| 00:00.01 | wd | abrotman, it's just everytime i put 2.6 on this i ge this. |
| 00:00.20 | streuner_ | omg, you are certainly a machochist then :-) |
| 00:00.38 | wd | abrotman, i upgraded kernel and to etch and on reboot this happens. the tower/box is running fine. |
| 00:00.48 | streuner_ | with 40 MB RAM and 75 Mhz its even in sarge a nightmare |
| 00:01.25 | ZOP | i remmeber WAAAAY back...my first linux PC was a 386DX40 :D |
| 00:01.33 | wd | streuner, yeah i also did a ppc/mac 1400 powerbook with woody then sarge.. mklinux |
| 00:02.05 | JordiGH | ZOP: Was that with Linux 0.1? :-) |
| 00:02.08 | streuner_ | better, get some newer hardware and save headaches |
| 00:02.09 | monobug | is it possible to customize apt to install packages to a directory of my own choice, instead of the usual /usr/bin? |
| 00:02.09 | wd | streuner, all these accomplishments with all your help of course. |
| 00:02.20 | wd | streuner, i know. |
| 00:02.29 | streuner_ | sure :-) |
| 00:02.35 | ZOP | JordiGH: never was a 0.1 ;) publicly became available something like .6 |
| 00:02.39 | JordiGH | monobug: No. Why do you want to do that? |
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| 00:02.56 | ZOP | JordiGH: Back in .8/.9 days mostly for that 386 |
| 00:02.57 | TheOnly | hm, is a 12% inode usage normal for a 15gb ext3 root filesystem? imo it seems a lot |
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| 00:03.10 | TheOnly | only 961K inodes total |
| 00:03.19 | abrotman | lots of little files |
| 00:03.50 | wd | abrotman, i'm just saying i'm doing what you say and it's not working because so it's time to throw in the towel and reinstall sarge and just suffer 2.4.27 still. |
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| 00:04.09 | abrotman | wd: you could try other things .. also /msg dpkg laptop .. maybe some other masochist did it :) |
| 00:04.39 | jelly-home | TheOnly: so you have 100k files, big deal. Howzabout this one: (df -i) /dev/sda1 26787840 8374150 18413690 32% /news1 |
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| 00:04.47 | wd | abrotman, k |
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| 00:05.36 | wd | abrotman, btw.. my etch is running super thank you very much... upgraded from sarge/2.4.27.. :) |
| 00:05.42 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:05.44 | jelly-home | TheOnly: if you have /home and maildirs on it, it's not unusual |
| 00:05.50 | wd | that's right. |
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| 00:06.03 | TheOnly | nope, /home is on a separate partition |
| 00:06.11 | TheOnly | but I just found out what takes so much inodes |
| 00:06.33 | TheOnly | the kernel source (and its compiled files) took around 5% |
| 00:06.36 | TheOnly | ^^ |
| 00:06.40 | wd | abrotman, ok well let me build up courage to wait 1 hour for this install... but hey..gentoo on this laptop will take what 2 weeks.. lol |
| 00:07.11 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:07.27 | JordiGH | bets that most laptops overheat with Gentoo. |
| 00:07.29 | wd | abrotman, can u imaging compiling everything on p1, 75mhz.. yuck. |
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| 00:07.48 | jelly-home | wd: even if you wanted to install it, you don't have to compile on the very same machine? |
| 00:08.10 | abrotman | no |
| 00:08.17 | \amethyst | has anyone installed Lenny beta 2 on a G5 recently? Encountered any problems with detection of the openfirmware path to the SATA hard drive? |
| 00:08.20 | wd | jelly-home, gentoo right.. yea distcc..i know tried, failed. |
| 00:09.50 | zythmer | wd: I had a similar old laptop (48MB RAM, 100MHz, 700MB HDD). If you don't mind switching, OpenBSD would probably run well on it. |
| 00:09.52 | wd | jelly-home, i have a laptop adapter can i install sarge on a laptop adapter plugged in my towe and switch it back to laptop? |
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| 00:10.42 | jelly-home | wd: definitely yes. |
| 00:10.45 | wd | zythmer, i tried... can't find xfree86 config file online to help me .. did you have wm or just cli? |
| 00:10.51 | wd | jelly-home, oh? |
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| 00:11.22 | wd | jelly-home, but xfree will load up main box monitor and keyboard .. |
| 00:11.25 | zythmer | wd: I didn't use X in order to save space (disk and RAM). |
| 00:11.25 | diabolix | i give up... why would sudo not prompt for a password? |
| 00:11.34 | wd | zythmer, oh ok. |
| 00:11.41 | jelly-home | wd: you'll have to reconfigure it later |
| 00:12.20 | diabolix | all I added to the default sudoers file was "jordan ALL=(ALL) ALL" |
| 00:12.29 | wd | jelly-home, oh so just install base using tower power....and poped lap hd in and do xfree on that..wait i save a copy of my xfree..oh yea. |
| 00:12.47 | diabolix | it just gives me root without prompting. |
| 00:13.19 | jelly-home | wd: not a big deal. the main issue might be fixing fstab and grub config, if the disk in the tower isn't the same device (say, /dev/hda) as on the laptop |
| 00:14.29 | jelly-home | wd: dpkg doesn't work well with less than, say, 96MB RAM, so installing on a machine with a decent amount of RAM will be much faster |
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| 00:14.49 | wd | jelly-home, it will be same... i'll pop out laptop hd plug it in tower as hda and just install sarge normally, then pop out and in laptop, copy over saved xfree and wala huh? |
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| 00:15.39 | jelly-home | wd: no need to copy "xfree" (/etc/X11/xorg.conf?) over, just /msg dpkg drxx |
| 00:16.15 | jelly-home | wd: oh, and X config file names will have changed |
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| 00:16.29 | jelly-home | !win me |
| 00:16.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly-home! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 00:16.43 | wd | jelly-home, u lost me... /msg dpkg drxx ? |
| 00:16.55 | jelly-home | wd: do it |
| 00:17.00 | wd | ok |
| 00:17.29 | jelly-home | that ought to be enough after changing the video card |
| 00:17.40 | jelly-home | used future perfect, yay. |
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| 00:18.32 | wd | zythmer, curious what version openbsd a very old one huh? |
| 00:18.55 | JordiGH | I think OpenBSD still uses FVWM as default, so a recent one should be fine. |
| 00:19.16 | wd | JordiGH, ok. |
| 00:19.28 | jelly-home | fvwm is _still_ alive?! |
| 00:19.32 | wd | JordiGH, it just seems that debian will work on anything old. yay. |
| 00:19.39 | wd | jelly-home, :) |
| 00:19.51 | jelly-home | that brings back fond memories of 1995 |
| 00:20.25 | phlux | are there any good tutorials on upgrading Debian's kernel |
| 00:20.25 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Yeah, and the are still releasing new versins. |
| 00:20.26 | phlux | ? |
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| 00:21.11 | JordiGH | I'd try OpenBSD, but I hear they're a bunch of masturbating monkeys. |
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| 00:21.24 | tecky | hot! |
| 00:21.25 | JordiGH | Or was that the latest Ubuntu codename |
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| 00:21.25 | JordiGH | ? |
| 00:21.37 | jelly-home | JordiGH: um... DragonFly BSD! :-D |
| 00:21.56 | jelly-home | or maybe Nexenta |
| 00:22.02 | phlux | JordiGH: I'm a FreeBSD guy, myself |
| 00:22.08 | wd | JordiGH, why not fbsd? it's more recognized? |
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| 00:22.24 | phlux | I love FreeBSD |
| 00:22.28 | phlux | my dedicated servers all run FreeBSD |
| 00:22.30 | JordiGH | I kid, I kid. OpenBSD looks like a respectable OS. |
| 00:22.37 | JordiGH | !start a bsd war |
| 00:22.42 | phlux | lol |
| 00:23.02 | phlux | So can anyone help me upgrade my kernel? |
| 00:23.19 | wd | phlux, can u install fbsd with out ports i mean can u install base, not ports but when u need apps can u just do pkgadd (app) and it fetch it online? |
| 00:23.27 | jelly-home | phlux: eh, it boils down to "install package, reboot" |
| 00:23.30 | phlux | wd: yes |
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| 00:23.56 | phlux | jelly-home: oh.. so I can just 'apt-get -t etch-backports 'kernel'' and reboot? |
| 00:24.02 | jelly-home | phlux: after that you might have to rebuild ati/nvidia kernel drivers if you use any |
| 00:24.06 | jelly-home | phlux: no. |
| 00:24.23 | phlux | ah, my laptop's graphics/sound card is ATI |
| 00:24.28 | jelly-home | "phlux: if you're running etch, basically just install linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf package and you'll get 2.6.24" |
| 00:24.30 | wd | phlux, i c. i had a 700meg hd and tried but install failed.. ports..i thought i needed it. |
| 00:24.52 | jelly-home | phlux: but are you using the non-free fglrx driver or not? |
| 00:25.06 | phlux | jelly-home: not yet, heh |
| 00:25.16 | jelly-home | phlux: no worries then |
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| 00:25.48 | zythmer | wd: Yeah, this was several years ago. Probably OpenBSD 2.8 timeframe. However, the base requirements don't change much over time. You'll run into different issues there. OpenBSD doesn't have binary patches so you have to recompile. On a 75MHz machine with 2GB HDD, that's painful. The good part is there are few patches that are security related. |
| 00:26.15 | phlux | jelly-home: so after that, a reboot should do it for me being on the new kernel? |
| 00:26.34 | jelly-home | phlux: that's the idea |
| 00:26.38 | tecky | but out of the box ' openbsd ' is the most secure OS to date i believe |
| 00:26.41 | phlux | nice |
| 00:26.52 | wd | zythmer, k |
| 00:26.52 | JordiGH | Alright, aptitude complains of broken KDE 4.1 packages... |
| 00:26.57 | JordiGH | Whatever! Let's try it out. |
| 00:27.05 | jelly-home | phlux: you should be able to choose the kernel at grub time |
| 00:27.16 | neonlightning | JordiGH, thats what you get for using kde :P |
| 00:27.42 | jelly-home | can't be worse than any Gnome |
| 00:27.55 | jelly-home | !start a de war |
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| 00:28.05 | jelly-home | ... |
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| 00:28.08 | neonlightning | hehe |
| 00:28.13 | wd | zythmer, it just seems that debian works.. on everything. really want to try fbsd on this lap but i'm intimidated, plus can find very old floppy images for open or fbsd. |
| 00:28.13 | JordiGH | Grrr.. I can't open another KDE in another tty. |
| 00:28.16 | jelly-home | dpkg: you suck |
| 00:28.16 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 00:28.28 | neonlightning | idk i prefer gnome but i prefer fluxbox over all |
| 00:28.29 | JordiGH | brb |
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| 00:28.49 | wd | zythmer, cdrom on lap failed.. its seen during kernel bootup but won't operate. why open not fbsd for u? |
| 00:29.02 | neonlightning | jelly-home, my best friend uses kde on opensuse 11 image some of the battles we have :P |
| 00:29.12 | jelly-home | phlux: just to be safe, I'm going to bed now, so if something goes wrong, I'm not here! |
| 00:29.32 | jelly-home | neonlightning: they use linux, that's good enough |
| 00:30.17 | jelly-home | phlux: read the page linked in "/msg dpkg etchnhalf", it might contain more data about that kernel |
| 00:30.30 | DogBoy | "/msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 00:30.35 | DogBoy | doh |
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| 00:32.18 | JordiGH | Yay, KDE just crashed when I tried switching desktop with Compiz. |
| 00:32.27 | JordiGH | Now I'm just using Compiz without a DE. |
| 00:32.42 | JordiGH | wonders how to revive KDE. |
| 00:32.53 | justin | JordiGH: there is no such thing as "kde" |
| 00:32.55 | justin | JordiGH: maybe you mean kicker? |
| 00:33.05 | JordiGH | justin: Well, whatever makes KDE kde. And I think they removed kicker in 4.1 |
| 00:33.27 | justin | ah well, maybe run startkde, unless they removed that too |
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| 00:33.48 | phlux | jelly-home: worked perfect. |
| 00:33.51 | phlux | thanks :) |
| 00:34.23 | jelly-home | phlux: there might be new controls in alsamixer |
| 00:34.28 | phlux | yep, there are |
| 00:34.30 | phlux | several |
| 00:34.57 | phlux | man.. if it wasn't for work, this laptop would be Vista-free. |
| 00:35.07 | jelly-home | yeah, it was that way on an ATI SB600-based desktop too |
| 00:35.10 | phlux | Unfortunately, the US Coast Guard doesn't support Linux users yet. |
| 00:35.17 | diabolix | so i'm running stable, I installed sudo, I added "jordan ALL=(ALL) ALL" to the bottom, and now jordan can sudo without a password. |
| 00:36.09 | jelly-home | phlux: their apps might work under a virtual machine or crossover office (or even free wine) |
| 00:36.30 | diabolix | i tried doing: jordan ALL=(ALL) PASSWD: ALL, but it still lets jordan sudo without a password. |
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| 00:36.50 | phlux | jelly-home: perhaps. might try that soon. Did you see that I got my Verizon Wireless USB UM150 Modem working? |
| 00:36.56 | jelly-home | phlux: I usually run Outlook in cxoffice these days, or in virtual XP; no need to reboot |
| 00:37.09 | phlux | I can get my Verizon intarwebz using Linux anywhere I go now thanks to pppd :D |
| 00:37.20 | superlinux | any one knows about programming the key map? |
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| 00:39.08 | \amethyst | phlux: try sudo -K first to remove the timestamp |
| 00:39.11 | \amethyst | err |
| 00:39.16 | \amethyst | diabolix: try sudo -K first to remove the timestamp |
| 00:39.39 | \amethyst | diabolix: sudo remembers if you've recently entered the password and won't ask you again for a while |
| 00:40.29 | diabolix | \amethyst it has never prompted for a password. |
| 00:41.04 | phlux | HEY |
| 00:41.10 | phlux | my synaptics drivers work now too, jelly-home |
| 00:41.12 | diabolix | \amethyst and resetting the timestamp doesn't help. |
| 00:41.16 | superlinux | guys i want to make my own custom keymap for the arabic language the way i use for chatting with ppl. not the defualt ISO standard way. i need to know how? |
| 00:41.19 | \amethyst | diabolix: hm |
| 00:41.38 | \amethyst | diabolix: any other entries in sudoers that might apply |
| 00:41.40 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 00:42.07 | diabolix | \amethyst no, just the default root entry, and the line I mentioned above. |
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| 00:43.42 | superlinux | any one? please?! |
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| 00:44.26 | phlux | sorry, I have no idea superlinux |
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| 00:44.49 | superlinux | phlux, but did you really get my question? |
| 00:45.00 | phlux | yes |
| 00:45.03 | superlinux | ok |
| 00:45.04 | Sara | hey guys im looking for somthin in a live cd format that basicly presents a rdp login prompt to login to a win box via rdp |
| 00:45.06 | superlinux | cool |
| 00:45.07 | Sara | any ideas |
| 00:45.13 | kmeyer | spin your own |
| 00:45.18 | diabolix | this is really annoying me... could it have anything to so with my groups? |
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| 00:46.25 | Arrowmaster | yes, what groups is the user in? |
| 00:46.38 | phlux | epiphany ftw |
| 00:46.42 | x_ | anyone around managed to configure pxe based installs without using dhcp...? |
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| 00:48.03 | justin | x_: it is much easier to just to setup dhcp than to try it without |
| 00:48.14 | x_ | i keep getting arp timeouts (most likely the lack of dhcp being ing the loop) |
| 00:48.28 | justin | setting up a dhcp will take 2 minutes, configuring all the parameters otherwise is a lot more work |
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| 00:50.24 | x_ | its mainly because last time i ran pxe install with dhcp it caused a conflict with the router i use... (not exactly a flexible set up) |
| 00:50.51 | diabolix | Arrowmaster i put them in the sudo group, was I not supposed to? |
| 00:51.26 | Arrowmaster | thats exactly why its not asking for a password |
| 00:51.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell superlinux about keymap |
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| 00:52.22 | diabolix | ah. there we go. |
| 00:52.38 | superlinux | CutMeOwnThroat, thats NOT what i want, cos i know it |
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| 00:52.47 | diabolix | ok. gotta log off. |
| 00:52.49 | superlinux | lemme show yoy |
| 00:52.49 | diabolix | .quit |
| 00:53.08 | superlinux | http://www1.architektur.tu-darmstadt.de/islam/ara/ see this guy what has he done |
| 00:53.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | superlinux, you don't want the dpkg part, but the bit about xmodmap |
| 00:53.56 | superlinux | CutMeOwnThroat, just look at what that guy did. |
| 00:54.12 | superlinux | and you'll understand my problem |
| 00:54.57 | x_ | so no ideas to force bootpd to resolve the arp time out issues... |
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| 00:56.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | superlinux, you'll have to do additional stuff - like figure out what'll make your application draw the interesting squiggles - still, this is the factoid that's setting you on the right track for the remapping part |
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| 00:58.14 | Sara | i tired thinstation it works ok but has a full featured desktop and take literally 20 minutes to boot |
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| 01:00.28 | superlinux | CutMeOwnThroat, just one thing.. did you try to use the website? |
| 01:00.44 | diabolix | first time i'm using debian outside of work. i guess i'm used to slackware. |
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| 01:05.34 | JordiGH | There, I think I've coaxed aptitude to fix the KDE 4 installation... lots of things had to be done manually. :-/ |
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| 01:06.19 | diabolix | is kde 4 worth using yet? |
| 01:06.24 | JordiGH | I don't know. I'm about to find out. |
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| 01:06.35 | milligan_ | I'm trying to authenticate postfixusers using dovecot, connected to a mysql db. Anyone got any experience with that ? |
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| 01:06.46 | JordiGH | is living on the edge. |
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| 01:09.03 | JordiGH | Now this is bizarre... aptitude is trying to install sun-java5-jre because sun-java5-bin, which is also not installed, depends on it. |
| 01:09.12 | JordiGH | RMS would not be proud. |
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| 01:09.45 | abrotman | if you're using lenny/sid .. should probably be java6 |
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| 01:09.55 | JordiGH | How can a package be broken if it's not installed? |
| 01:10.26 | \amethyst | broken usually means it's half-installed |
| 01:10.45 | JordiGH | Maybe I can just tell dpkg to purge it? |
| 01:10.45 | \amethyst | or, in aptitude, that it's marked for installation but has unsatisfiable dependencies |
| 01:11.05 | \amethyst | mark it for purge in the aptitude fullscreen interface (with _ ) |
| 01:11.17 | \amethyst | then you can use /~B to search for the next broken thing |
| 01:11.42 | eddyMul | I'm running debian sid in a VM. Is "maintenance" just a simple `apt-get update; apt-get upgrade`? Or do I need `apt-get dist-upgrade`? |
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| 01:13.41 | JordiGH | Weird, I couldn't tell why that would be installed. I removed sun-java* a while ago after installing OpenJDK. |
| 01:13.46 | abrotman | eddyMul: you probably want to do a dist-upgrade at least once in a while .. otherwise lots of stuff will end up all goofy with deps |
| 01:14.04 | JordiGH | tries KDE again, brb. |
| 01:14.51 | eddyMul | abrotman: great. thanx. |
| 01:15.04 | diabolix | screen is awsome. |
| 01:15.12 | gloin | Got an interesting LVM problem on my Lenny box. Basically, one of the drives in the VG is external USB, and comes online after LVM starts and fails to see the drive. I end up in the emergency shell, and can get going after that, but really do need to change the order of USB <-> LVM so the machine boots cleanly |
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| 01:15.41 | JordiGH | Ack, I don't know why Compiz is starting up in KDE 4. What is KDE 4's window manager called? |
| 01:16.14 | x03 | debian etch kernel have SMP by default ? |
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| 01:17.14 | JordiGH | Ah, there we go. |
| 01:17.21 | abrotman | x03: yes |
| 01:17.21 | JordiGH | kwin |
| 01:17.43 | phlux | Anyone know if GNOME has default keys bound to swapping desktops? |
| 01:18.04 | x03 | abrotman: but in bios i have 2 procs and in the OS i just have one |
| 01:18.12 | abrotman | x03: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 01:18.37 | linuxguy | how long now for official lenny to be out? |
| 01:18.46 | x03 | abrotman: just one proc |
| 01:19.13 | abrotman | x03: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep processor .. still just one? |
| 01:19.19 | diabolix | x03 is it an intel with hyperthreading? |
| 01:19.20 | abrotman | linuxguy: when it's ready |
| 01:19.24 | x03 | # cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep processor |
| 01:19.24 | x03 | processor: 0 |
| 01:19.32 | abrotman | x03: i'm not sure how the HT cpus show up |
| 01:19.42 | abrotman | !ht |
| 01:19.42 | dpkg | ht is, like, Haiti. HyperThreading, a technology from intel included in processors from the P4 3.05 GHz, that emulates two processors in a single cpu machine You must enable CONFIG_ACPI_HT, CONFIG_SMP and CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY in your kernel to use it.. Or install a -2.6-686-smp kernel |
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| 01:20.28 | wantok | 8actually, all the 800mhz p4's had them |
| 01:20.37 | wantok | my 2.4ghz p4 had it |
| 01:20.39 | linuxguy | abrotman, .....any ideas when........i know its testing....im using it now.....I find it a lot better and faster than suse........apart from the graphics card drivers........they are pants |
| 01:20.44 | x03 | abrotman: in dmidecode i have 2 procs |
| 01:20.58 | abrotman | !tell linuxguy about wwlr |
| 01:21.13 | diabolix | huh.. my cpu has it as well. |
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| 01:21.28 | diabolix | i wonder if its worth getting working. |
| 01:21.29 | abrotman | linuxguy: you can make whatever guess you want .. but until that RC bug number reaches 0 .. keep waiting |
| 01:21.32 | abrotman | diabolix: no |
| 01:21.36 | wantok | only the p4's show it as a 23nd cpu iirc, on all others its just a cpu extention |
| 01:21.39 | diabolix | i didn't think so. |
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| 01:22.24 | x03 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m200ec07b |
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| 01:22.34 | x03 | are those 2 procs iquals ? |
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| 01:23.05 | abrotman | x03: cat /proc/version |
| 01:23.07 | diabolix | i have a p4 with ht. its been sitting around for a year, and now i attached a 1TB HD and made it a fileserver. |
| 01:23.32 | x03 | Linux version 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-22) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Tue Jun 17 21:31:27 UTC 2008 |
| 01:23.34 | diabolix | altho a 1TB usb HD is very slow. |
| 01:23.34 | linuxguy | abrotman, ......thanks for that info......so distrowatch is almost correct in saying sept as a possible schedule |
| 01:23.40 | abrotman | no |
| 01:23.51 | abrotman | x03: see .. SMP! |
| 01:23.58 | x03 | abrotman: yes... |
| 01:24.17 | x03 | abrotman: see that dmidecode output ? i think that 2 procs are not equals |
| 01:24.22 | x03 | right? |
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| 01:25.12 | abrotman | did you boot 'noapic' ? |
| 01:25.18 | wantok | x03: no they arnt, becauzse only one exists as a true cpu |
| 01:25.21 | wantok | *sp |
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| 01:25.30 | JordiGH | Hm, seems to be working... |
| 01:25.35 | abrotman | x03: maybe check dmesg .. see if there's any usable output |
| 01:25.42 | JordiGH | wonders if it's time to go back to KDE> |
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| 01:25.53 | x03 | wantok: so i cant see the 2 procs in /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 01:26.10 | wantok | x03: you should be able to. |
| 01:26.20 | diabolix | x03 apparantly it just appears as a cpu extension not: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep ht |
| 01:26.42 | diabolix | towards the end. |
| 01:26.52 | x03 | diabolix: that not return nothing... |
| 01:27.08 | diabolix | i dunno then. |
| 01:27.11 | x03 | in dmesg i just have : Initializing CPU#0 |
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| 01:27.38 | x03 | and this: |
| 01:27.39 | x03 | SMP alternatives: switching to UP code |
| 01:27.39 | x03 | Freeing SMP alternatives: 12k freed |
| 01:27.54 | x03 | oops |
| 01:27.56 | abrotman | yeah .. that's weird |
| 01:28.00 | x03 | think i find the problem |
| 01:28.00 | x03 | CPU0: Intel Pentium III (Coppermine) stepping 0a |
| 01:28.01 | x03 | SMP motherboard not detected. |
| 01:28.04 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:28.11 | x03 | but this is a dual motherboard! |
| 01:28.19 | x03 | i have 2 procs there |
| 01:28.21 | x03 | hehe |
| 01:28.24 | wantok | larts x03 |
| 01:28.26 | abrotman | maybe not enabled in bios ? |
| 01:28.40 | x03 | in bios on boot shows the 2 procs :S |
| 01:28.46 | x03 | probably not enable |
| 01:28.48 | x03 | hahah |
| 01:28.53 | x03 | hit me |
| 01:28.55 | x03 | plz |
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| 01:29.00 | abrotman | !hit x03 |
| 01:29.00 | dpkg | kicks x03. |
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| 01:29.04 | x03 | hahah |
| 01:29.10 | x03 | let me check |
| 01:29.19 | guk | I have a dual PIII |
| 01:29.21 | guk | but a katamai |
| 01:29.24 | guk | Hostname: solosoft.org - OS: Linux 2.6.22-3-686/i686 - CPU: 2 x Pentium III (Katmai) (451.037 MHz) - Processes: 144 - Uptime: 27d 28m - Load Average: 0.10 - Memory Usage: 396.75MB/631.12MB (62.86%) - Disk Usage: 251.82GB/365.05GB (68.98%) |
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| 01:31.01 | diabolix | p3 > p4 |
| 01:31.08 | wantok | updated the ht entry |
| 01:31.47 | jester45 | diabolix, untill you get to the faster p4s |
| 01:32.42 | vorpal | when will perl 5.10 get into debian? |
| 01:32.44 | jester45 | guk, is that a irssi script? |
| 01:32.57 | diabolix | jester45 but even then, they are less reliable. |
| 01:33.25 | diabolix | p4's are blemish on the face of computing. |
| 01:33.55 | x03 | plz hit me again |
| 01:34.01 | x03 | proc2 disabled |
| 01:34.03 | x03 | ahahahah |
| 01:34.06 | guk | jester45: yes I believe |
| 01:34.10 | vorpal | ah, it looks like 5.10 is in lenny |
| 01:34.17 | guk | it's easily findable on irssi.org |
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| 01:36.32 | student | heya, I have 4GB RAM in my system. I've read to use twice as much swap space, so should I use 8GB of swap? |
| 01:36.52 | abrotman | student: what's the system going to do? |
| 01:37.18 | diabolix | student probably not. |
| 01:37.20 | student | it will be a school server |
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| 01:37.58 | student | so will do authentication, file server, maybe apache server too, but not sure about that yet |
| 01:38.12 | abrotman | student: likely not .. but it really depends on what it will ultimately do .. and your anticipated load |
| 01:38.34 | student | abrotman: is there a harm in having too much swap? |
| 01:38.42 | abrotman | other than wasting your HDD? |
| 01:38.51 | student | it is a 1TB HD |
| 01:38.59 | abrotman | there are also seek times on RAM/swap/disk |
| 01:39.02 | jonhnash | with 4 gb swap is good |
| 01:39.07 | jonhnash | to a normal server |
| 01:39.47 | jonhnash | but how many user wiil have this server |
| 01:39.49 | jonhnash | ? |
| 01:40.19 | student | there are about 200 students altogether, but I don't imagine more than 50 will be on at one time |
| 01:40.41 | jonhnash | good and what cpu have? |
| 01:41.32 | student | Intel Xeon E5410 2.33Ghz (Quad Core) |
| 01:41.42 | JordiGH | Aw, it doesn't look like Iceweasel 3 can do KDE 4 widgets. :-( |
| 01:41.46 | jonhnash | yes vey power |
| 01:41.55 | JordiGH | It looks like ass. |
| 01:42.04 | abrotman | JordiGH: it's a GTK app |
| 01:42.29 | JordiGH | abrotman: Iceweasel 3 isn't. It used Qt widgets with KDE 3. |
| 01:42.38 | JordiGH | Uses. |
| 01:42.47 | student | jonhnash: yes, I am replacing an old 400Mhz server, so this one should last a few years at least :) |
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| 01:43.26 | student | the other one is 9 years old |
| 01:43.39 | jonhnash | yes and you have infomation of use of cpu and hard disk what are the problem the server down? |
| 01:43.50 | abrotman | JordiGH: the deps show it to be gtk2 |
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| 01:45.09 | jonhnash | what use wiil have the server save file of student or webserver? |
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| 01:46.24 | student | it will mainly be used for student and teacher file storage, may also use it as an internal webserver for student/teacher webpages (but not for outside access). |
| 01:46.47 | diabolix | JordiGH it is gtk. kde just themes it for you. |
| 01:47.18 | JordiGH | diabolix: Hm, then I wonder if there's some way for KDE 4 to theme GTK. |
| 01:47.28 | jonhnash | yes maybe the problem will be the use of network and hard disk |
| 01:47.35 | student | it will also have the library database on it, the old server seemed a bit too slow to use this database |
| 01:47.51 | student | jonhnash: how do you mean? |
| 01:47.52 | abrotman | student: if you're not worried about disk space .. just go ahead |
| 01:47.58 | jonhnash | file storage how ssh ftp samba? |
| 01:48.08 | diabolix | JordiGH in kde3 you just enabled 'apply color theme to non-native applications', and it worked. |
| 01:48.15 | student | jonhnash: samba |
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| 01:48.57 | student | jonhnash: what problem are you foreseeing? |
| 01:49.12 | jonhnash | the limit of the server |
| 01:49.32 | jonhnash | wiil be hard disk use and network |
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| 01:50.03 | jonhnash | nothing more |
| 01:50.12 | abrotman | student: if you're not worried about disk space .. just go ahead |
| 01:50.14 | jonhnash | this is ok is normal |
| 01:50.22 | student | abrotman: okay thanks :) |
| 01:50.42 | abrotman | student: i doubt you'll get anywhere close to using it .. but 8GB out of 1024GB .. really isn't that much |
| 01:51.25 | abrotman | it'll just fill up with buffers i suppose |
| 01:51.34 | jonhnash | and wiil use debian or centos? |
| 01:51.38 | student | I guess the main thing I was worried about was too much writing being done between RAM and HD, that the swap would actually make it slower |
| 01:52.25 | abrotman | student: it could potentially .. if you feel later you don't need it all .. you can just make the swap partition smaller |
| 01:52.58 | student | okay thanks abrotman and jonhnash |
| 01:53.09 | jonhnash | yes you can make too 2 partition of swap to test this |
| 01:53.45 | jonhnash | good luck you need secure this server |
| 01:54.11 | abrotman | student: there are FAQs online about swap, and how it can cause the system to be slower |
| 01:55.01 | student | abrotman: yeah, I've read a bit about that too, but some suggest to use 2x RAM, and others say, no this is an old idea, so there are so many conflicting ideas, I don't know which one to follow ;) |
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| 01:56.05 | abrotman | student: yeah .. old idea .. mostly 2.4.x kernels IIRC .. FWIW you could use a swap file instead of swap partition which may make it easier to change the size later |
| 01:56.14 | jonhnash | think that an server with apache samba mysql php and ftp and mail service use all most 300 MB of ram |
| 01:56.36 | abrotman | depending on number of apache servers/modules loaded/samba users .. so on and so forth |
| 01:57.08 | jonhnash | yes 300 without any user |
| 01:57.30 | abrotman | unless he starts 300 apache children :) |
| 01:57.48 | student | hmm, sounds like fun abrotman :) |
| 01:57.53 | jonhnash | yes ddos |
| 01:57.57 | abrotman | doubt it |
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| 01:58.38 | jonhnash | ok go to setuo the server |
| 01:58.59 | abrotman | you can have fun with 'ab' if you'd like :) |
| 01:59.12 | student | hmm, don't even know what that is :) |
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| 01:59.25 | jonhnash | i like more setuo clusters this is fun |
| 01:59.51 | abrotman | student: it's an apache benchmark tool .. you can set it to beat the snot out of your system |
| 02:00.15 | abrotman | of course .. it'll cache whatever you request .. but it will start lots of apache children to handle the requests |
| 02:00.33 | student | hehe, okay, thanks ;) |
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| 02:08.08 | superlinux | guys! how are you? |
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| 02:08.32 | superlinux | em.. what is the recommended web cam for debian? |
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| 02:10.52 | s3a | does debian lenny have cinelerra in its repositories? |
| 02:10.59 | s3a | well cinelerra-cv |
| 02:11.06 | abrotman | packages.debian.org .. but i don't htink os |
| 02:11.20 | superlinux | abrotman, ? |
| 02:11.22 | superlinux | em.. what is the recommended web cam for debian? |
| 02:11.38 | abrotman | what's a web cam? |
| 02:11.45 | superlinux | the camera |
| 02:11.59 | superlinux | the usb camera |
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| 02:12.00 | abrotman | i have a digital camera .. works fine in linu |
| 02:12.01 | abrotman | linux |
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| 02:12.19 | superlinux | i need a one for the use with skype |
| 02:12.40 | abrotman | what's skype? |
| 02:12.54 | superlinux | the VoIP program |
| 02:13.02 | abrotman | nope .. no idea |
| 02:13.22 | s3a | im still confused if abrotman is a bot or not |
| 02:13.58 | abrotman | hopefully a bot would have better typing skills :) |
| 02:14.22 | s3a | abrotman: lol ya thats wat made me think ur human no offense |
| 02:14.46 | abrotman | like your typing skills are anything to be proud of ... |
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| 02:15.39 | gloin | in Debian, which is the service that provides USB mounts at boot? I need to tweak boot order to make sure this runs _before_ LVM |
| 02:15.47 | gloin | (and may file a bugreport on the issue later) |
| 02:16.31 | linuxguy | abrotman, are yiou a dev for debian at all? |
| 02:16.43 | abrotman | linuxguy: a DD .. nope |
| 02:16.45 | abrotman | linuxguy: why? |
| 02:17.59 | linuxguy | abrotman, you seem to know a lot about debian and help many here........i was just curious..reason being it that it all seems works out :) |
| 02:18.18 | gloin | linuxguy: abrotman has been doing that in this channel since pretty much forever |
| 02:18.37 | abrotman | linuxguy: i leave all that coding stuff to the smart people :) |
| 02:18.41 | linuxguy | gloin...well he should be a dev then |
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| 02:19.16 | gloin | linuxguy: as I say to my boss every now and then, "Dammit, man, I'm a sysadmin, not a coderr!" (rolling the "R" with my thickest brogue) |
| 02:19.35 | gloin | abrotman: any notion on my bootorder tweaking mission here? |
| 02:20.00 | kandinski | hi, I am trying to open a .cbr file in evince, but it balks with "Unhandled MIME type: x-rar" despite me having unrar installed. what other application could I use for .cbr files? |
| 02:20.07 | gloin | I'm tempted to shuffle a couple of things in /etc/rcS.d but it's kind of a pain to boot into emergency, mount everything, and then chroot |
| 02:20.14 | linuxguy | abrotman, right now all i need is a decent set of drivers for the fx5500 card until i get the time to get the new leeeny based pc up and running in a few weks time |
| 02:20.21 | kandinski | using Debian Etch with non-free sources |
| 02:20.25 | gloin | and then fix the broken shell |
| 02:20.54 | gloin | kandinski: type "file yourfile.cbr" |
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| 02:21.15 | shyam_k | where can i search whether synaptic is in the first cd or not? |
| 02:21.19 | abrotman | linuxguy: in lenny? again? |
| 02:21.25 | abrotman | !tell shyam_k about cd contents |
| 02:21.33 | gloin | !tell gloin about udev |
| 02:21.41 | abrotman | !tell gloin about selftell |
| 02:21.53 | gloin | :( |
| 02:21.55 | gloin | sry |
| 02:22.08 | gloin | is beating his head agains this thing |
| 02:22.17 | kandinski | gloin: RAR archive data, v1d, os: Unix |
| 02:22.17 | kandinski | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.20 | kandinski | oops |
| 02:22.24 | kandinski | sorry for the repaste |
| 02:22.34 | linuxguy | abrotman, yes the drivers are very poor......very choppy screensavers.....no glxgears.......some games dont work |
| 02:22.49 | gloin | kandinski: so what happens when you 'unrar e' the file? |
| 02:22.58 | jester45 | linuxguy, do you have dirrect rendering? |
| 02:23.21 | linuxguy | jester45, nope that doesnt work either |
| 02:23.30 | kandinski | gloin, it extracts it |
| 02:23.52 | jester45 | thats why you h ave slow graphics. fix that and everything should run just fine |
| 02:23.57 | kandinski | till I have a write error |
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| 02:24.15 | kandinski | oh, file may be corrupted: thanks gloin |
| 02:24.22 | gloin | heh, no prob :) |
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| 02:25.49 | shyam_k | thanks but isnt openoffice a big less on first cd? |
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| 02:27.32 | jester45 | man i hate linux |
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| 02:27.40 | jester45 | i get things done to quick |
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| 02:28.36 | gloin | owch |
| 02:28.41 | jester45 | server go offline? or is that a netsplit |
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| 02:28.48 | gloin | split prolly |
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| 02:29.10 | jester45 | doesnt a split say they left and not a read error |
| 02:29.16 | gloin | hrm |
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| 02:29.25 | gloin | isn't this channel linked with the one on OFTC? |
| 02:29.28 | abrotman | no |
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| 02:29.48 | gloin | weird - I'm not seeing this in #defocus |
| 02:30.25 | jester45 | #windows did the same thing |
| 02:30.30 | gloin | abrotman: was that link extant at some point in the past? Seems like I remember that being the case for some reason. |
| 02:30.36 | jester45 | guess its a strang netsplit |
| 02:31.12 | abrotman | gloin: not that i'm aware |
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| 02:33.34 | Nyle | damn network! |
| 02:33.38 | Gigantic | Hola, I'm having issues with Skype since this morning, no changes in my settings or pkgs... sound system seem to be all ok... I know Skype is not supported here don't flame me about it... |
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| 02:34.01 | Gigantic | just want to know how can I be sure there is nothing wrong in my system |
| 02:34.03 | abrotman | Nyle: i don't think that was you |
| 02:34.18 | Gigantic | it is just the mic not working but not sure how to test it outside Skype |
| 02:34.26 | Nyle | abrotman, ? |
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| 02:35.15 | shyam_k | Gigantic: u can just try arecord command to record some sound and aplay to play it back |
| 02:35.35 | Gigantic | shyam_k: like? |
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| 02:36.03 | abrotman | Nyle: a bunch of other people timed out |
| 02:37.09 | Nyle | I like Quanta Plus |
| 02:37.25 | Nyle | inline completion is nice, its like I'm using visual studio on linux |
| 02:37.27 | Nyle | kinda sorta |
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| 02:37.44 | abrotman | Nyle: OT? |
| 02:37.53 | Nyle | possibly |
| 02:38.03 | abrotman | definitely |
| 02:38.44 | shyam_k | Gigantic: just take a terminal(i hope you dont get fear for that-some people do fear) and type "arecord hi.wav" to make it start recording sound untill you press Ctrl-C and then you can play it back using "aplay hi.wav(both commands without quotes;-)) |
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| 02:39.40 | Gigantic | shyam_k: heh, not a nub but never reccorded mic b4 :) |
| 02:40.13 | shyam_k | Gigantic: ok:) |
| 02:40.22 | Gigantic | aha! |
| 02:40.25 | Gigantic | no sound |
| 02:40.38 | Gigantic | weird I can hear myself on speakers |
| 02:41.48 | Gigantic | gnome sound reccorder freeze... |
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| 02:42.57 | gloin | gah! ok, so I need udev to _not_ background loading USB mass storage support |
| 02:43.49 | civillian | Hi all. First time using clamav and I'm getting this error when I run freshclam: 'LibClamAV Error: Database Directory: /var/lib/clamav/ not locked'. File perms look fine, and a .dbLock file exists in /var/run/clamav |
| 02:43.51 | gloin | waits for emergency shell to appear |
| 02:44.24 | shyam_k | ops got to go.. |
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| 02:47.07 | linuxguy | !nvidiaa |
| 02:47.14 | linuxguy | oops |
| 02:47.18 | linuxguy | !nvidiaa |
| 02:47.19 | abrotman | msg the bot |
| 02:47.24 | gloin | ah :) |
| 02:47.27 | gloin | I found the fix |
| 02:47.33 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 02:47.33 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 02:47.55 | linuxguy | abrotman, soory......i forgot its the /msg thingy...sorry |
| 02:48.08 | Nyle | linuxguy, check this out |
| 02:48.12 | Nyle | !dpkg.web.search |
| 02:48.12 | dpkg | well, dpkg.web.search is A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database at @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 02:48.13 | gloin | simpler than all the monkeying around I was doing with bootorder: set rootdelay=15 in the kernel line in menu.lst |
| 02:48.26 | gloin | is a happy guy |
| 02:48.40 | Nyle | gimly, son of gloin! |
| 02:48.54 | Nyle | gloin, why are you booting delay? |
| 02:49.31 | gloin | Nyle: you missed all the fun and whining from me earlier |
| 02:49.43 | gloin | I'm booting to an LVM with a USB device hanging off it |
| 02:49.53 | Nyle | i see |
| 02:50.19 | gloin | and frikkin udev (spit) anyhow |
| 02:50.36 | gloin | it's better, but still not perfect |
| 02:50.41 | gloin | http://www.reactivated.net/weblog/archives/2005/11/booting-linux-userland-from-an-external-usb-flash-disk/ |
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| 02:51.35 | Nyle | hey dudes of the #debian |
| 02:51.39 | Nyle | whats going on man |
| 02:51.51 | Nyle | I need to read ExFat/FAT64 USB Stick |
| 02:51.56 | Nyle | any ideas how? |
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| 02:52.12 | linuxguy | abrotman, still gives out instructions for etch....and gives out error message in terminal |
| 02:52.35 | abrotman | !tell linuxguy about nvidia_lenny |
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| 02:53.06 | linuxguy | abrotman, thanks......lets see how i go on :) |
| 02:54.20 | Gigantic | no mic reccording... wth |
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| 02:54.56 | jvm_ | hi. can i keep a penguin in the fridge? |
| 02:55.12 | dmoerner | !ot |
| 02:55.12 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 02:55.28 | Gigantic | Well areccord looks happy at least :p : RIFF$^@^@^@WAVEfmt ^P^@^@^@^A^@^A^@@^_^@^@@^_^@^@^A^@^H^@data^@^@^@^@ |
| 02:55.59 | Gigantic | many happy faces no sound... no idea why |
| 02:56.58 | gloin | Ahh :) |
| 02:57.24 | gloin | So many nifty utils in Debian - makes me happy |
| 02:57.32 | linuxguy | abrotman, those instructions from botty fella need refining more........i will carry on using lenny for now as it is until it is out properly |
| 02:57.47 | gloin | I've got a working box again |
| 02:58.00 | abrotman | linuxguy: if you can get us better instructions .. go for it .. we'll put them in |
| 03:01.00 | linuxguy | abrot...its the add deb src etc those dots it would be better if what should be there is put in there and an example.........i can follow the others though no probs |
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| 03:01.34 | linuxguy | abrotman, very sorry......last mesage I posted was meant for you |
| 03:01.37 | abrotman | dots? |
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| 03:02.07 | abrotman | linuxguy: ah .. you should just ask us .. we can make one for you |
| 03:02.13 | dmoerner | he wants it to say deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 03:02.20 | Gigantic | Debian is already 15yrs old... is that legal age in Europe? |
| 03:02.21 | dmoerner | ^linuxguy |
| 03:02.26 | abrotman | well .. it's actually a sid deb-src line |
| 03:02.43 | abrotman | you kids have fun :) |
| 03:03.23 | linuxguy | abrotman, dmoener thanks and that should be in the sources.list? |
| 03:03.25 | dmoerner | linuxguy, s/lenny/sid/, sorry for the typo. i always run sid so i always type it |
| 03:03.49 | dmoerner | linuxguy, if you want to make it easy to manage you can put it in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/sid-source-nvidia.list |
| 03:03.51 | dmoerner | or a name of your choice |
| 03:03.58 | dmoerner | then you can just remove the file when you are done |
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| 03:09.01 | linuxguy | dmoerner, I think i will wait till new lenny is out and for my new linux box be ready roperly......i dont want to screw it up with vague instructions |
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| 03:09.46 | muddd | does anyone have a man page or such for me to learn to make xdm prettier? mine's fugly |
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| 03:11.09 | dmoerner | muddd, have you tried using slim? |
| 03:11.11 | Gigantic | yes, apt-get install gdm or kdm |
| 03:11.40 | Nyle | Gigantic, but thats not xdm |
| 03:11.45 | muddd | no dmoerner i havent but i will google that |
| 03:11.53 | muddd | yeah i wanna keep it simple |
| 03:12.01 | Gigantic | Nyle: oh really? |
| 03:12.17 | muddd | actually if i can just change the background to black i'm good. |
| 03:12.24 | Nyle | yes |
| 03:12.30 | Nyle | xdm != gdm and/or kdm |
| 03:12.54 | Rusty1 | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3325 << muddd FWIW\ |
| 03:12.57 | Nyle | muddd, you want to man xdm and look down to the Resources section, and cuztomize it any way you want in ~/.Xresources |
| 03:13.12 | Nyle | muddd, which you can then load using xrdb -merge |
| 03:13.33 | muddd | ah ok thnks for the pointer in the right direction |
| 03:13.40 | Nyle | muddd, xlogin.Login.greetFont: 9x15bold |
| 03:13.42 | Nyle | for example |
| 03:13.48 | Nyle | in ~/.Xresources |
| 03:13.54 | muddd | i shall read that also thx Rusty1 |
| 03:14.53 | Nyle | muddd, you can also google for 'xdm themes' or 'xdm styles' |
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| 03:15.14 | muddd | ok. were you going to show me something up there Nyle? i'm paying attention |
| 03:15.25 | muddd | ah nm i see it |
| 03:15.37 | muddd | xchat colored some stuff differently |
| 03:15.48 | muddd | so i'm not paying attention i suppose :/ |
| 03:15.54 | muddd | ty |
| 03:15.58 | Nyle | sure |
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| 03:17.34 | PaulTT | Hi all--I'm wanting to take an existing, established server running debian etch and copy the package installations and configuration to another machine that is already preinstalled with debian etch--i.e. "clone" the configuration of the existing established machine. I've asked dpkg about clone and reinstall, but I'm a bit unsure about how to copy over the configuration--is it as simple as... |
| 03:17.36 | PaulTT | ...copying the /etc directory? |
| 03:17.49 | PaulTT | am I missing any other steps? |
| 03:18.25 | Nyle | !debian clone |
| 03:18.25 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 03:19.26 | dmoerner | PaulTT, do you have special configurations in /etc/ beyond the default? if so, I would recommend putting them in some sort of VCS and then putting them on the new server |
| 03:19.53 | Nyle | PaulTT, seems like that should be it |
| 03:19.56 | muddd | wow, nice |
| 03:20.08 | Gigantic | that reminds me there was an ncurses app that does just the same as ghost... for images but can't remem,ber the name |
| 03:20.14 | PaulTT | dmoerner: I'm not sure what you mean by "special configurations"? |
| 03:20.28 | Gigantic | it can tar.gzip or bzip |
| 03:20.44 | Gigantic | it was... it was... *tap |
| 03:20.48 | dmoerner | PaulTT, something beyond the defaults, which i presume you would have on a server |
| 03:21.03 | PaulTT | dmoerner: Oh, yes, the configuration files have been modified. |
| 03:21.24 | PaulTT | dmoerner: Things like apache, bind9, postfix, etc. |
| 03:21.29 | [Luc1fer] | is there really a big difference between .tar.gz and .tar.bz2? |
| 03:21.49 | dmoerner | PaulTT, you can just copy those over, but in my experience a better solution is to use git or svn to always keep track of them |
| 03:21.49 | Gigantic | [Luc1fer]: speed vs space |
| 03:22.06 | dmoerner | [Luc1fer], bz2 = much greater overhead for little benefit in compression |
| 03:22.20 | Gigantic | [Luc1fer]: uncompress a 20Gs bzip and then a gzip you will tell :) |
| 03:22.44 | [Luc1fer] | Gigantic: ahh ok. just curious. |
| 03:22.44 | Gigantic | damn it, can't remember the name of the app ;| |
| 03:22.53 | PaulTT | dmoerner: I'm a bit confused as to how version control systems would play a part--short of keeping a log/repository of revisions |
| 03:23.15 | [Luc1fer] | I can't get this radio player to fully load on my psp |
| 03:23.35 | dmoerner | PaulTT, yes. many people, myself included, keep custom config files in a remote version control system. Then when you install on a new machine you can just check out a fresh copy from the vcs |
| 03:23.52 | dmoerner | it's not worth setting up if you don't have it already in 95% of cases but if you will be doing this a lot it's something to consider |
| 03:24.01 | PaulTT | Perhaps I should mention that this is a rare occurrence--only a hardware upgrade to support RAID. This isn't something I anticipate doing more than a few times every two years or so |
| 03:24.02 | dmoerner | that way you won't accidentally miss copying over a key config file in /etc |
| 03:24.24 | dmoerner | ah...definitely not worth the trouble them |
| 03:24.27 | dmoerner | s/them/then |
| 03:24.30 | PaulTT | dmoerner: Wouldn't I just be copying the entire /etc directory? |
| 03:24.50 | PaulTT | tar it up, transfer it to the new server, and untar? |
| 03:25.14 | dmoerner | if you have changes to .bashrc, for instance, then that wouldn't work so well |
| 03:25.27 | PaulTT | oh? |
| 03:25.34 | dmoerner | only because it would miss stuff |
| 03:25.36 | Nyle | sudo aptitude install libstdc++5 |
| 03:25.42 | dmoerner | but just for /etc the tarring approach works just fine |
| 03:26.06 | PaulTT | dmoerner: There isn't a way to archive/preserve .files through something like tar? |
| 03:27.18 | PaulTT | I had been thinking of using rsync as an option--perhaps that would work better? |
| 03:27.50 | dmoerner | PaulTT, rsync would be fine |
| 03:28.31 | PaulTT | in any case, I was thinking I'd clone the packages |
| 03:29.13 | PaulTT | and then copy over /etc, /home, /opt and /var |
| 03:30.32 | PaulTT | (though--/opt is empty..) |
| 03:31.53 | PaulTT | The IP addresses would be different, so I suppose some find/replace might be in order |
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| 03:32.54 | greeg | hi |
| 03:33.04 | greeg | im all of a sudden getting this error message when ut2004 crashes when i start a new game. but his never happend before since i have played other rounds. |
| 03:33.12 | greeg | Assertion failed: FindEntry(packageName) < 0 [File:UnManifest.cpp] [Line: 11] |
| 03:33.23 | greeg | the fun-e thing is that it occurs in both distros, Debian and Gentoo. |
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| 03:34.14 | greeg | im wandering whats wrong with my graphics card. |
| 03:34.41 | Intensity | Hi. Is it possible to have a Debian live CD load itself entirely into RAM so that the CD can be ejected once the system has started? I'm interested to know if there are any standard tools that can do this. |
| 03:35.32 | dmoerner | Intensity, yes. live cds like dsl and sidux support booting toram. i'm not sure if live-helper has built in support for this however |
| 03:36.50 | Intensity | dmoerner: So dsl and sidux are Debian-based distributions, rather than Debian packages? Perhaps the scripts could be "borrowed" from those Debian-based distributions, if the source is easily accessible. |
| 03:37.20 | Nyle | Intensity, go ahead and find out |
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| 03:37.50 | Nyle | I am aware of knoppix kernel being able to load an iso right after grub passes control to it |
| 03:38.08 | Nyle | that way you use the livecd, but have your optical drive empty for burning cds etc. if you want |
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| 03:38.44 | xerophyte | how can find which process using a file system ? |
| 03:38.45 | dmoerner | Intensity, live-helper supports it. you can just use that to build what you want |
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| 03:38.53 | dmoerner | xerophyte, lsof |
| 03:38.53 | Intensity | Nyle: I see. If I could modify Knoppix to use precisely the same Debian etch+.5 kernel then that would work out well for me. |
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| 03:41.12 | [Luc1fer] | question : if I want to create a mp3 DVD that can be played on my car dvd system, what would I use? |
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| 03:44.56 | [Luc1fer] | if its even possible to begin with... |
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| 03:47.42 | jester45 | gnomebaker or k3b would be the best |
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| 03:50.43 | xerophyte | dmoerner: thx |
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| 04:06.41 | Supaplex | strange how an nfs root kernel says IP-Config: ... MTU 1500 and mounts the rootfs on the first try now, while dhcp set the mtu to 1496 (to accomidate for vlan tagging overhead) |
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| 04:12.34 | Nyle | !ping |
| 04:12.35 | dpkg | pong |
| 04:13.10 | jester45 | pong |
| 04:13.25 | ApEtc | !pong |
| 04:13.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, pong is the best name on IRC eg. /ping pong, or *the* classic video game |
| 04:15.02 | PeterFA | Why didn't my install of postgresql on Etch add the /etc/postgresql/postgresql.conf file? |
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| 04:16.54 | PeterFA | I wonder why this server is using an Ubuntu kernel when it's Debian Etch anyways. |
| 04:17.22 | cycom | ok, so what gives? Fresh install of debian-ppc from a network repo, and loging into gnome gives me more errors than running windows update... |
| 04:17.24 | jester45 | it isnt unless someone else installed it |
| 04:17.44 | PeterFA | jester45, cat /proc/version says Ubuntu. |
| 04:18.04 | cycom | I'm getting IDL:omg.org/COBRA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0 from Gnome Settings Daemon |
| 04:19.03 | jester45 | PeterFA, you sure your using a debian mirror? or that is indeed a debian install |
| 04:19.39 | PeterFA | jester45, cat /etc/apt/sources.list says Debian mirrors. |
| 04:19.50 | PeterFA | jester45, I am not making this up. |
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| 04:20.26 | Braden` | Hello |
| 04:20.33 | jester45 | hi |
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| 04:20.57 | Braden` | How do I change it so if I do 'rm *.jpg' it will delete all files without prompting? I want to save three keystrokes by not using -f |
| 04:21.46 | Supaplex | Braden`: unailas rm first? |
| 04:21.46 | DogBoy | make an alias |
| 04:21.51 | Supaplex | er unalias |
| 04:22.00 | cycom | yeah, aliasing to rm is a really bad idea |
| 04:22.22 | DogBoy | heh |
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| 04:22.23 | jester45 | alias mr |
| 04:22.23 | Supaplex | using -f in an alias is asking for !undelete |
| 04:22.43 | cycom | is it really worth saving three keystrokes? |
| 04:23.03 | jester45 | just alias mr to rm -f |
| 04:23.10 | jester45 | or |
| 04:23.12 | jester45 | rmf |
| 04:23.21 | Supaplex | yes, because we can literally laugh our butt cheeks off when he asks how to undo it. |
| 04:23.40 | jester45 | well you could rm -rf / |
| 04:23.49 | jester45 | that wouldnt ask anything |
| 04:23.53 | jester45 | lol |
| 04:24.27 | Braden` | You shouldn't give advice like that. Someone might accidentally do it |
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| 04:24.49 | PaulTT | I'm looking at the multiple instructions for cloning a debian system and have noticed that dpkg --get-selections reports things installed that aptitude does not--I generally use aptitude to install/remove packages, and I'm wondering why there'd be a discrepency between the two |
| 04:24.57 | jester45 | ive did it |
| 04:25.05 | jester45 | wasnt that hard to fix |
| 04:25.32 | jester45 | because dpkg is better |
| 04:25.34 | linuxjones513 | what is AIGLX and how do i get it? |
| 04:25.57 | jester45 | you should have it |
| 04:26.02 | jester45 | if your running X |
| 04:26.52 | linuxjones513 | jester45, is there a quick way to find out? |
| 04:27.35 | cycom | linuxjones513, it also depends on whether or not your video driver supports it |
| 04:28.49 | linuxjones513 | but is there a way to check it and make sure it is there? |
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| 04:30.07 | jester45 | grep -i AIGLX /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:33.46 | linuxjones513 | it sawys its enabled but with a lot of wornings and one information thingy behind it |
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| 04:35.35 | linuxjones513 | is that a problem? |
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| 04:36.25 | PeterFA | I frequently get an error, "Setting locale failed" |
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| 04:37.52 | PeterFA | Oh crap, I'm to tired to fix problems. |
| 04:37.57 | PeterFA | Just ignore me. |
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| 04:38.27 | smhar | I need to run autocad in windows virtually in debian and print using my HP Officejet Pro L7780 all in one printer connected through usb. what are my options? |
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| 05:03.55 | htmlol | wow, this channel is pretty dead o.O |
| 05:04.09 | Supaplex | or so you think |
| 05:04.41 | Rhizome | And then suddenly POW! |
| 05:04.47 | htmlol | gasps |
| 05:04.57 | htmlol | it LIVES! |
| 05:05.07 | Supaplex | you're saying stuff like, but debian is too stable. we want more excitement. ;) |
| 05:05.25 | htmlol | hehe |
| 05:06.02 | htmlol | hay, if everyone has no problems, I'm ok. |
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| 05:08.10 | htmlol | ...and evidently, I'm ok! heh |
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| 05:14.55 | barnum | if i wanted excitement id run ubuntu |
| 05:15.00 | barnum | i run debian cause i like consistency |
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| 05:22.36 | Expl0ited | I like this nickname better :D |
| 05:23.56 | peterrooney | Expl0ited: you could go one better with Expl01ted |
| 05:24.12 | Expl0ited | :D |
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| 05:24.38 | Expl0ited | its better than [Luci1fer] |
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| 05:26.29 | sleepster | does anyone have a default apt source list they could give me? |
| 05:26.53 | sleepster | I installed just the core so I could customize it.. and apparently it only comes with security repositories |
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| 05:28.09 | enouf | !sources.list |
| 05:28.09 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 05:30.31 | sleepster | thanks enouf |
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| 05:39.37 | Expl0ited | lol larry flint is hilarious.. |
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| 05:41.22 | simonrvn | fsvo... |
| 05:42.01 | Hideki | Hi, is there any way to get a 1024x600 framebuffer console? the closest I can seem to get is 800x600 -.- |
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| 05:43.39 | AbsintheSyringe | Hideki, in grub put vga=791 |
| 05:44.05 | simonrvn | that's not framebuffer... |
| 05:44.39 | AbsintheSyringe | http://paste.debian.net/15086/ |
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| 05:45.46 | Hideki | hm, it didn't like that mode much, lol |
| 05:46.34 | Hideki | the list doesn't show anything higher than 315/800x600 |
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| 05:48.24 | ioio | anyone? |
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| 05:49.51 | Hideki | it's an eee pc 1000h, intel gma945 graphics |
| 05:49.56 | infinity0 | how do i configure the system default keymap to be dvorak-UK? console-data doesn't have it |
| 05:49.57 | Supaplex | !anyone |
| 05:49.57 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
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| 05:52.27 | Rhizome | !popcon |
| 05:52.27 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
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| 06:01.23 | elenril | any idea why omnicppcomplete plugin doesn't work with vim 7.2? |
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| 06:16.26 | Broady | "Press F1 for help, or ENTER to boot" <--- is there no USB available at this point?! |
| 06:17.54 | Weems | Im having an error pasted here http://pastebin.ca/1178404 |
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| 06:26.02 | Corwin | does this make sense to anyone? |
| 06:26.12 | Corwin | # mount | grep ntfs |
| 06:26.32 | Corwin | # touch /mnt/sdb/test |
| 06:26.41 | Corwin | touch: cannot touch `/mnt/sdb/test': Read-only file system |
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| 06:27.26 | Corwin | Do I need to file a bug report for mount? |
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| 06:27.45 | f00li5h | is the rest of the file system readonly too? |
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| 06:28.12 | Corwin | nope, just the external USB NTFS drive - but as you saw mount reports it as read/write |
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| 06:28.37 | f00li5h | perhaps the NTFS dirver still doesn't support writing |
| 06:28.41 | f00li5h | i heard some things.. |
| 06:28.50 | f00li5h | about it being readonly... but that was ages back |
| 06:29.01 | Corwin | It's worked fine for me for months and months |
| 06:29.09 | f00li5h | mount -a#? |
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| 06:29.58 | Corwin | I'm not interetsed in other filesystems, local et33 drives, nfs, etc - they work fine |
| 06:30.07 | Corwin | et33 = ext3 |
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| 06:30.36 | Corwin | and the drive is not in fstab, nor should it be there |
| 06:30.40 | Supaplex | I need to disable standby/sleep on my second montior while X is running. All black is okay, but I don't want the CRT to cool completely down (it's on its last leg, and it goes bonkers every time it warms back up again). How do I configure that? |
| 06:30.58 | tview | I have an rsnapshot backup on a mounted external usb drive. For some reason "cp -ar srcdir destdirparent" is not copying everything (e.g .ssh dir). Can someone please tell me that this reason is? (running as root). |
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| 06:32.21 | Supaplex | tview: I think rsync -avP there:/path/ here/ (trailing slash is important) would handle that just fine. (if rsync is on both sides.) no idea about cp/rsnapshot. |
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| 06:33.39 | tview | Supaplex: "there" is the src I take it |
| 06:34.01 | Supaplex | yup |
| 06:34.08 | tview | why would cp fali though? |
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| 06:34.28 | Supaplex | I'm too spoiled by rsync to know. :) |
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| 06:35.21 | tview | Also - while super tired and being an idiot (I do that a lot that last two days trying to reinstall Debian Lenny :-() I also copied all my "." files from my own login homedir into my root directory. Can I recreate my root home dir? |
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| 06:36.18 | Supaplex | it's usually empty root:root and 755 (or 700 for us paranoid folks) |
| 06:36.19 | Corwin | strange.. ntfs-3g was not installed, anth the other driver said (though mount) it was r/w went it really was ro |
| 06:36.34 | tview | Supaplex: stuff like .bashrc? |
| 06:37.34 | Supaplex | most likely a copy of /etc/skel/ |
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| 06:39.52 | shinkeisen | i have a question which i HOPE will be answered : are there userspace headers for lib6c in experimental anywhere or should i just compile from the source that matches |
| 06:40.06 | tview | Supaplex: rsync errors. Sigh. Never trust anything I guess in Lenny. "rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(1058) [sender=3.0.3]" |
| 06:40.28 | Weems | does anyone know about banshee and dbus? Im trying to run a python script to spam and its not working |
| 06:40.28 | tview | and I have been using rsnapshot for year to back up. Just never had to restore. |
| 06:40.40 | tview | mea culpa I suppose for trusting it. |
| 06:40.54 | Corwin | ok, now that I mounted the drive with ntfs-3g, I unmounted it andf remounted it like I did before, except this time I can write to the drive |
| 06:41.10 | Corwin | I feel like I'm running windows |
| 06:41.19 | Weems | heh |
| 06:41.24 | Weems | thats the point isnt it |
| 06:41.46 | Corwin | Kind of.. But somehow I have to get data from ZFS to NTFS |
| 06:41.47 | Supaplex | Corwin: may not be related, but some filesystems and some filesystem options don't play well with -o remount (if that's what you were having issues with) |
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| 06:42.14 | Corwin | Supaplex: I'll keep that in mind, but I was not using -o remount |
| 06:42.40 | shinkeisen | ignore that |
| 06:43.45 | Supaplex | oi. meh brain achez. must be time for sleep(); |
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| 06:55.52 | Aaron_ | hey im having an error with dpkg --configure -a and apt-get dist-upgrade this is the error I'm getting http://www.pastebin.ca/1178423 any ideas? |
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| 06:57.19 | streuner | Aaron_: upgrade to lenny? |
| 06:57.52 | Aaron_ | streuner, yeah |
| 06:58.06 | streuner | well, fix the first error |
| 06:58.12 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 06:58.12 | dpkg | [unix lessons] (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
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| 06:58.29 | streuner | (9) |
| 06:59.07 | Aaron_ | streuner, how? |
| 06:59.26 | streuner | #dpkg: error processing docbook-xml (--configure):# subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 06:59.34 | Aaron_ | how do i fixed it? |
| 07:00.11 | streuner | well, that script is in :/var/lib/dpkg/info# |
| 07:00.34 | Aaron_ | hmm okey |
| 07:00.35 | streuner | search for a .postinst |
| 07:00.35 | Aaron_ | and then? |
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| 07:00.40 | Broady | "No common cd-rom drive was detected" <--- what do I do? :( |
| 07:01.13 | Aaron_ | streuner, and then what? |
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| 07:01.25 | streuner | Aaron_: 2 options, you fix that script there or 2) if you cannot fix it, just mv it to /tmp |
| 07:01.58 | streuner | Aaron_: sometimes you can remove the package and install that later |
| 07:02.51 | Aaron_ | oke |
| 07:02.52 | Aaron_ | y |
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| 07:03.43 | streuner | Aaron_: please read "/msg dpkg sid faq" too, its always helpful |
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| 07:28.19 | tview | !nvidia_lenny |
| 07:28.19 | dpkg | 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers 5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, using "dpkg -i debfile.deb" instead of "apt-get install package" for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx |
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| 07:43.39 | tview | !nvidia_lenny |
| 07:43.39 | dpkg | 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers 5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, using "dpkg -i debfile.deb" instead of "apt-get install package" for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx |
| 07:46.12 | tview | Has anyone here actually successfully installed the nvidia glx packages as per the information reported here by "!nvidia_lenny"? |
| 07:46.22 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 07:46.24 | et | <- |
| 07:46.36 | Lagbolt | um i do it a slightly diff way but that way works |
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| 07:46.42 | tview | Lagbolt: lol? |
| 07:46.53 | et | but as lenny is a moving target, things may change |
| 07:47.03 | Lagbolt | just saying, if it didnt work it wouldnt be a factoid for long most likely |
| 07:47.07 | galois_ | tview: he's laughing a joke 3 hours ago - lagged out |
| 07:47.16 | tview | lenny is in a 2second beta. and they still havent included the damn nvidia-glx in the repositories. |
| 07:47.30 | Lagbolt | tview, what part is giving you trouble? |
| 07:47.59 | tview | Lagbolt: the getting it installed part. I build the debs fine then they just wont dpkg -i. Hang on. I'll post the errors. |
| 07:48.13 | Lagbolt | ok |
| 07:48.32 | tview | the kernel src deb unpacks fine. |
| 07:49.19 | tview | only a 3 line paste so think thats ok: |
| 07:49.21 | tview | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of nvidia-glx: |
| 07:49.21 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, tview |
| 07:49.21 | tview | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.21 | tview | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.21 | tview | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.50 | Lagbolt | tview, pastebin :) . . . did it not build a nvidia-kernel package? |
| 07:49.50 | et | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 07:49.50 | dpkg | nvidia_post_etch is, like, update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 07:50.03 | et | m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 07:50.10 | et | did those steps succeed? |
| 07:50.24 | et | because those should result in your dependency |
| 07:50.31 | tview | hardly since those steps were not listed in the "!nvidia_lenyn" info. Streuth. |
| 07:50.47 | et | tview: step 5 is ... |
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| 07:51.07 | et | "5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, ..." |
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| 07:53.26 | mstuefer | Hi, I have the vacation utility installed, but it don't works with all email addresses and it don't write anything to syslog... do someone know where I can check what happens? because I see the incoming mail and even the forwarding to vacation, but it does not answer to all addresses. and they are not excluded by configuration.. it even don't write them to the database.. |
| 07:53.31 | tview | et: all very well but that meant nothing to me. And when I asked yesterday I was told to "just dpkg -i *.deb" |
| 07:54.05 | tview | et: possibly an update on the "nvidia_lenny" query would be nice if you can do it. Thanks for your help. I think it has now worked- |
| 07:54.19 | tview | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 07:54.19 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 07:54.22 | et | tview: factoids have a limited size |
| 07:54.48 | tview | et: fine. But <blah> means nothing to mere amateurs like me :-; |
| 07:55.24 | Crypticfortune | anyone know where GDM actually reads the "user X should use file Y as a face image" for GDM face browser themes? |
| 07:55.31 | tview | after installing nvidia-glx I can now just change my x11.org? |
| 07:56.19 | et | dpkg: nvidia_lenny =~ s/nvidia-glx/nvidia-glx (say !nvidia_post_etch to get that factoid) |
| 07:56.19 | dpkg | You are moron #2, et |
| 07:56.28 | et | bah. |
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| 07:56.50 | et | dpkg: YOU are not a proper bot :p |
| 07:56.51 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 07:57.18 | vglug | A small question on GPL> Can i sell free software under gpl?? |
| 07:57.32 | et | dpkg: forget nvidia_lenny |
| 07:57.32 | dpkg | i forgot nvidia_lenny, et |
| 07:57.59 | tview | Now I have nvidia-glx installed can I now copy back my old x11.org from before the system reinstall? is there anything I need to do? |
| 07:58.06 | liable | vglug: sure, you need to include source code if people ask though |
| 07:58.28 | liable | vglug: i am sure there is lots of info out there aboutr it |
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| 07:58.37 | Somni | vglug: if you're serious about selling software you should consult a lawyer; see also gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html |
| 07:59.09 | vglug | Somni: plzz listen to my next question::: ... |
| 07:59.42 | Broady | is 4.0r4a earlier than 4.0r4? |
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| 08:01.10 | Crypticfortune | Broady: by all sensible measures, 4.0r4a should come after 4.0r4... but i don't know if debian made an exception =p |
| 08:01.19 | et | dpkg: nvidia_lenny_1 is 1) add "deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list, replacing de with your country code 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 08:01.19 | dpkg | et: okay |
| 08:01.53 | vglug | liable,somni: I make a software and license it under gpl,As i worked 3yrs on that software I want to make money. So what i do is, I charge for the software (provide S.code) and If some one modifies my core software and makes money, can i ask him to pay for my core work out of his profits????? |
| 08:02.12 | liable | vglug: nope |
| 08:02.36 | Somni | you can try; he is free to refuse |
| 08:02.42 | Broady | Crypticfortune: yeah, thought so, wonder if 'a' meant alpha though |
| 08:02.42 | liable | vglug: you make gpl software, but have never read the license? |
| 08:02.58 | vglug | i read the license but i need clarity |
| 08:03.11 | Somni | then read the GPL FAQ |
| 08:03.31 | vglug | even i read that, next question>> |
| 08:03.36 | Broady | why did you license it under GPL in the first place? |
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| 08:03.57 | et | dpkg: nvidia_lenny_2 is 5) update-pciids 6) apt-get install module-assistant 7) dpkg -i *nvidia-kernel-source*.deb 8) m-a prepare 9) m-a a-i nvidia 10) dpkg -i *nvidia-glx*.deb 11) depmod -a 12) modprobe nvidia 13) dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 08:03.57 | dpkg | okay, et |
| 08:04.28 | et | dpkg: nvidia_lenny is first say !nvidia_lenny_1 and then !nvidia_lenny_2 |
| 08:04.28 | dpkg | et: okay |
| 08:04.28 | vglug | Broady: I need clarity, I didnot make any software i am just trying to undestand the license |
| 08:04.43 | Broady | GPL is a wonderous beast, vglug |
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| 08:05.13 | Somni | if neither the FAQ nor the license itself are clear enough to you then you really should consult a lawyer; relying on IRC for business advice is silly |
| 08:06.05 | Broady | ^ +1, but seriously, your typical lawyer is not going to be of much help either, imo |
| 08:06.16 | vglug | plzz dont hesitate my question, I am a free software user.When i was talking to a person who uses Octave(f/sw) in his company, he was saying that you cant sell a free software and make money,Its against the rules, what do you ppl say??? |
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| 08:06.42 | Somni | vglug: the argument has nothing to do with legality, simply practicality |
| 08:06.43 | Broady | vglug: well software that's licensed under GPL isn't 'free' imo |
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| 08:06.55 | Somni | anyone can distribute and re-distribute the same software |
| 08:06.59 | Broady | but that's besides the point... consult the license that the software was released under |
| 08:07.20 | et | vglug: that depends totally on the license that is used |
| 08:07.34 | vglug | i know that free software is not abt making money , its abt making a free society.I want to know the financial issues , thats it! |
| 08:07.37 | et | vglug: there are literally hundreds of them. |
| 08:07.55 | et | "free software" is just not specific enough |
| 08:07.57 | liable | yes you can sell gpl software. |
| 08:08.08 | wols_ | vglug: depends on the license. PL software can be resold for any amount of money you want. however: the fact that you can download it for free anywhere usually means people who charge don't sell anything |
| 08:08.19 | wols_ | s/PG/GPL |
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| 08:08.40 | Crypticfortune | Broady: ya, i confirmed it (out of curiosity). 4.0r4 was released July 26th, 2008, 4.0r4a was released Thursday, July 31st, 2008 |
| 08:08.52 | Broady | oh, ta Crypticfortune |
| 08:09.07 | Broady | interesting, I wonder what the difference is |
| 08:09.29 | wols_ | sevurity updates and in case of 4.0r4a it includes etchnhalf |
| 08:09.37 | wols_ | *security |
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| 08:10.05 | Crypticfortune | wols_: your keyboard is fesity today, isn't it? ;) |
| 08:10.16 | liable | no, he just cant type |
| 08:10.23 | wols_ | it always is. even when I'm not at home right now and a different keyboard |
| 08:10.34 | wols_ | some logitech wireless one here |
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| 08:13.46 | vglug | TO ALL::::I hav a final question ??? I Made a software( and license it under gpl ) (100 features) and strated selling that software, another person added a single feature to that software(+1 feature) and started selling that,As he is using my core work and making money out of it (Can i ask for some amount of money for my core work(from his profits) , can i do it under gpl)??? |
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| 08:14.10 | Somni | once again, no |
| 08:14.41 | liable | vglug: you can ask. he can say no. |
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| 08:14.44 | vglug | why ??? Even he neeeds to respect my work. |
| 08:15.12 | liable | its gpl. really, you need to learn what the gpl says |
| 08:15.24 | Somni | vglug: because you licensed it under the GPL; anyone is free to redistribute it however they like, provided they meet the terms of the license |
| 08:16.33 | vglug | Somni: exactly,but if my work is used in a comercial manner, I should hav the right to ask money for my work ? |
| 08:16.37 | Crypticfortune | vglug: the kind of modifications and redistributions you're talking about are (99% of) the entire point of GPL |
| 08:16.47 | Somni | vglug: how many times do you have to be told no before you believe it? |
| 08:17.05 | Somni | vglug: you placed a license on it that allows redistribution, without paying you anything |
| 08:17.06 | wols_ | vglug: the other guy doesn't need to add a single feature. he can get the GPled software from you and simply resell that |
| 08:17.53 | Broady | all you can get from him is the source to the feature he wrote |
| 08:17.55 | Broady | :) |
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| 08:18.06 | Somni | provided he gives you the software |
| 08:18.14 | liable | he has to |
| 08:18.31 | Broady | Somni: under GPL, the source has to be freely available |
| 08:18.53 | Somni | the source has to be freely available if you have the software; there's nothing that requires he gives the software out |
| 08:18.54 | wols_ | liable: not really. if I change the kernel and don't redistribute it I don't need to hand out source |
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| 08:19.14 | Broady | Somni: except that he's selling it.. |
| 08:19.16 | Crypticfortune | liable: well, no, he doesn't have to distribute his modifications.... (if he distributes a compiled binary or something, then yes, but if he just uses it in house, then no...) |
| 08:19.19 | liable | wols_: yeah, but he is talking about someone selling gpl'ed software |
| 08:19.27 | Somni | Broady: yes, which means he has to provide the source to the people he's selling it to |
| 08:19.43 | Somni | and they are free to redistribute it from there |
| 08:19.46 | Broady | um, and anyone that asks for it |
| 08:19.52 | jelly-home | Broady: no |
| 08:20.07 | Somni | no, he is not required to give the software to anyone |
| 08:20.09 | wols_ | liable: then he has to hand out source to his buyers. not to the original dev |
| 08:20.13 | Broady | oh |
| 08:20.17 | liable | wols_: true. |
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| 08:22.35 | Coke | Is there a workaround or solution for this bug? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481270 |
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| 08:23.10 | k0wabUng4_ | good morning __??????? ??l??? ??l?*?? ?????? ???|?????? ???? ?????????? ???????? ?|??? ? ?????? ??l????.__ |
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| 08:23.29 | et | you have a greater chance of someone looking at that if you state what bug that is |
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| 08:23.54 | Crypticfortune | k0wabUng4_: i see bunches of question marks (?) only, i think you want a specific-language channel (or ask in english...) |
| 08:24.13 | Coke | et: the reason I pasted the link is because it's a rather long bug description, but it involves the nspluginwrapper package and how it has recently gone broken. |
| 08:24.15 | et | that's because he sent a lot of question marks |
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| 08:24.34 | Crypticfortune | et: well that's a mean trick =P |
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| 08:24.54 | k0wabUng4_ | sorry, don´t know what happened, just tiped"morning", while I was reading last night´s conv. while having coffee...sorry again :( |
| 08:26.05 | k0wabUng4_ | inserted a piece of ascii art but wrong coding <(o.O)> |
| 08:26.33 | vglug | To all::K, let us assume ,I set up a company(0 investment) and reached to a stage that i made an operating sytem(lets us assume ubuntu),As i need to pay the developers, I sell that software and If microsoft copies entire source code and make an OS with little additions and sells it for very very very less price ,obviously people will prefer that, what would be the situation of my company namely ubuntu and how would i pay my developers when i am at loss??? |
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| 08:27.02 | vglug | ? |
| 08:27.04 | et | vglug: dude, go to wikipedia |
| 08:27.18 | koan | vglug: then you have chosen the wrong license for your business model, or vice versa |
| 08:27.19 | Somni | vglug: you wouldn't, unless you found a business model that didn't rely on selling software |
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| 08:28.04 | vglug | Somni: can you be little clear |
| 08:28.08 | k0wabUng4_ | u cannot mix different license...if u use GPL, u have to make your SC freely avaliable, etc..Microsoft cannot copy it to insert it in a commercial software |
| 08:28.11 | Somni | vglug: it wouldn't even take Microsoft to break you; your entire OS is free to be copied by anyone at no charge and redistributed; worst case one person would buy it, and redistribute it for free |
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| 08:28.54 | et | please, stop arguing with him |
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| 08:29.42 | Somni | this does appear to be going nowhere; he's just re-asking the same question more elaborately each time |
| 08:29.51 | k0wabUng4_ | true |
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| 08:29.53 | liran | <liran> Hello |
| 08:29.53 | liran | <liran> each time i changing something in the /etc/sysconfig/netconf.C file |
| 08:29.53 | liran | <liran> and reboot the system |
| 08:29.53 | liran | <liran> its restoing to the same settings before i changed them |
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| 08:31.23 | vglug | Somni:No, I started selling ubuntu initially(i am not giving it for free),If microsoft sells the same one with little additions for free what would be my situation?? I am trying to learn as i have no proper person to explain me,I thought this would be the right place,>Sorry for interupting u guys. |
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| 08:31.48 | simonrvn | liran: wrong effing os, you probably want FC or redhat or something.... |
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| 08:33.05 | vglug | ? |
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| 08:33.29 | Somni | vglug: it's not complicated, you have been given an answer to your question several times, in several ways; review the conversation, read the GPL and the FAQ, consult a lawyer; good luck |
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| 08:34.19 | simonrvn | Somni: let it go, put him on /ig and let him stew in his ignorance. some people don't want to learn. |
| 08:34.46 | jelly-home | not to mention this is _not_ an appropriate channel for legal or business discussion |
| 08:35.14 | simonrvn | for sure |
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| 08:36.11 | vglug | Sorry: I know many got irritated, sorry agin.But i came to a conclusion where i find a flaw in bussiness model in GPL. |
| 08:36.16 | inflex | vglug: the person is exactly within their legally granted rights as per the GPL to do what they have done. |
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| 08:36.23 | inflex | vglug: alas for you - you cannot now retract that licence. |
| 08:36.29 | inflex | (on the version they have) |
| 08:36.39 | inflex | you -can- however chang the licence and release a new version |
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| 08:36.58 | sep | vglug, the GPL is not a bussiness model. ! |
| 08:37.20 | fairway | is it possible to install windows ext3 drivers not read my debian partition? |
| 08:37.25 | fairway | not just using explore2fs |
| 08:37.45 | simonrvn | well, i'm putting him on /ig |
| 08:38.04 | inflex | I have to say, it sure made me laugh reading about it |
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| 08:38.43 | Lagbolt | fairway, http://www.fs-driver.org/ |
| 08:39.13 | hramrach | Hello |
| 08:39.40 | inflex | goes back to writing a commercial version of his own open-source software (BSD no less) |
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| 08:39.48 | hramrach | how do I limit disk writes? Is there some tool other than laptop-mode? |
| 08:40.19 | wols_ | fairway: fs-driver.org use on your own risk |
| 08:40.27 | vglug | sep: yup i do undestand, I feel the license to be put this way, I need to get paid(reasonably) also , when some one is using my work."What do you say,??? |
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| 08:40.53 | fairway | Lagbolt: thanks |
| 08:41.07 | Lagbolt | fairway, i would suggest googling and reading more about it first |
| 08:41.25 | Lagbolt | as wols_ said, use at own risk |
| 08:41.31 | vglug | ? |
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| 08:41.55 | jelly-home | vglug: try ##linux |
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| 08:42.24 | jelly-home | vglug: even better, ask the redhat people hoe they manage to survive year after year |
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| 08:43.15 | vglug | Actually i would ask the stallman itself abt this issue, He came to our office last year.I was not there then : ( |
| 08:43.57 | vglug | Thankyou people, I am sorry if i had hurted some one. Bye :) |
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| 08:45.54 | hramrach | vglug: ultimately if you release your software inder GPL you cannot reasonably sell software that you have already done and released but you can sell software that you will make |
| 08:46.38 | hramrach | if people want new or modified software they can pay you to write it |
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| 08:48.35 | dead_ | hi - anyone knows a way to find out, what options are included in a kernel binary? want to know if the kernel from package linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 includes IP_NF_TARGET_ULOG |
| 08:48.52 | wols_ | dead_: /boot/config* |
| 08:48.57 | dead_ | thanks |
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| 08:57.33 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 08:57.42 | lkthomas | how could I use dd to write rubbish into a file ? |
| 08:58.14 | inflex | lkthomas: dd if=/dev/urandom of=myfile .... |
| 08:58.18 | lkthomas | thanks :) |
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| 08:58.32 | inflex | you're going to need a few more params than that - but that's the jist |
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| 08:58.59 | testi | Is it usually possible to turn a digicam into a card reader device instead of an imaging interface device? |
| 08:59.01 | Somni | or /dev/zero; exhausting your entropy pool is probably not a great idea, depending |
| 08:59.11 | testi | because i want to access the sd card raw |
| 08:59.59 | testi | and the card readers i have fail at accessing the sd cards content for some reason |
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| 09:01.57 | wols_ | testi: depends if the camera acts as usb mass storage or not |
| 09:02.11 | lkthomas | zero or urandom is better ? |
| 09:02.23 | dbmoodb | lkthomas: what for ? wiping it ? |
| 09:02.33 | dbmoodb | wipe or shred .... |
| 09:02.34 | lkthomas | just to test software raid |
| 09:02.51 | Somni | lkthomas: depends on what kind of rubbish you want; /dev/urandom can be exhausted, /dev/zero cannot |
| 09:03.04 | lkthomas | I want to put heavy writing to it and check if CPU usage will jump up |
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| 09:03.41 | testi | wols_: usually it does not, but maybe i can make it do so? |
| 09:03.56 | wols_ | lkthomas: dd is |
| 09:04.10 | lkthomas | but, dd using urandom or zero is better ? |
| 09:04.15 | lkthomas | I just need a rubbish |
| 09:04.15 | wols_ | testi: this is a debian question how? ask your camera maker |
| 09:04.22 | hramrach | lkthomas: you can use /dev/zero, and if the device is too clever to cache that prepare a file copied from /dev/urandom inadvance |
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| 09:04.37 | lkthomas | I see, hmm |
| 09:04.40 | hramrach | lkthomas: you can probably save it in a ramdisk or such |
| 09:04.49 | efaistos | did someone know what is this message "\x80|\x01\x03\x01" 501 217 "-" "-" "-" "-" ... got that in my apache access_log |
| 09:04.54 | lkthomas | cache is the problem, hmm |
| 09:05.15 | wols_ | efaistos: sure, someoe tried to hack your webserver |
| 09:05.24 | hramrach | lkthomas: not necessarily but some big araid boxes would detect duplicate blocks |
| 09:05.34 | hramrach | *raid |
| 09:05.37 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 09:05.55 | testi | wols_: no it's not a debian question, i just have a guess where knowledge is concentrated |
| 09:06.16 | wols_ | then don't ask here |
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| 09:07.48 | efaistos | was not 100% sure |
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| 09:08.36 | hramrach | lkthomas: however, it should not affect cpu usage at all unles you test software raid implemented in the kernel |
| 09:09.17 | the_angr1_angel | good morning guys, just wondered if someone could point me out on where I might be doing wrong, with regards to exim4 and daemon_smtp_ports in debian? The README.Debian suggests that modifying /etc/default/exim4 is the prefered approach to add more ports? |
| 09:09.30 | hramrach | writing duplicate data could affect speed of hardware raid solutions, though |
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| 09:12.27 | lkthomas | yes it is, software RAID :P |
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| 09:16.58 | Broady | hrm, how come i can't boot without AHCI? |
| 09:17.03 | Broady | into the install disk |
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| 09:21.20 | wols_ | Broady: what sata controller? |
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| 09:26.37 | SammyTheSnake | I'm looking at chrooting sftp users when they log in and wanted to use the ChrootDirectory and internal-sftp options described at #| |
| 09:26.37 | SammyTheSnake | |http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=sshd_config&sektion=5 but I'm using a debian system and I don't seem to have these options (they're not mentioned in the manpage). Does anyone know which version of#| |
| 09:26.41 | SammyTheSnake | |openssh I need to get to have these options? |
| 09:26.57 | SammyTheSnake | Oops! sorry for the paste, I meant to edit that before sending it! :-S |
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| 09:27.27 | SammyTheSnake | the question stands, though :) |
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| 09:29.46 | Broady | wols_: ICH10 |
| 09:29.54 | Broady | wols_: actually, when even AHCI doesn't work |
| 09:30.08 | Broady | sorry, by "boot" i meant recognise drives/CD-ROM |
| 09:30.17 | Broady | the "RAID" setting works, though. |
| 09:30.22 | wols_ | sata optical drives? |
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| 09:30.38 | Broady | yep, 1x DVD drive, 2x HDD (all SATA) |
| 09:30.57 | wols_ | what debian version? with what kernel version? |
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| 09:31.05 | Broady | i get "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" |
| 09:31.09 | Broady | 4.0r4a |
| 09:31.17 | Broady | not sure kernel |
| 09:31.25 | wols_ | that's why. 2.6.18 has no explicit support for ICH10 |
| 09:31.29 | ShredZ | Does etch support VMI when running as a vmware guest ? |
| 09:31.34 | wfq | guys, I have successfully compiled my wireless network card module and the IEEE80211 and I can't still see anything when I do Iwconfig. I followed this guide and every steps went ok (http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Mac80211)... has anyone every compiled this one? |
| 09:31.36 | Broady | 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 09:31.40 | wols_ | you need 2.6.25 or so for that. AHCI is a sort of "generic" driver |
| 09:31.44 | Broady | buggar. |
| 09:31.56 | wols_ | Broady: that kernel is 2 years old. no ICH10 in existence for then |
| 09:31.59 | wols_ | !vmware | ShredZ |
| 09:32.02 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 09:32.02 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 09:32.11 | Broady | buggar. why the hell don't they upgrade the kernel on the installer cd? |
| 09:32.15 | wols_ | *for linux to support back |
| 09:32.22 | wols_ | Broady: cause it's STABLE |
| 09:32.33 | petemc | they did update it |
| 09:32.35 | wols_ | Broady: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 09:32.58 | Broady | awesome, thanks wols_ |
| 09:33.10 | wols_ | dunno if .24 supports ICH10 yet tho |
| 09:33.35 | hramrach | but it does not have xen :-S |
| 09:34.16 | wfq | lsusb detects the hardware and modules are loaded |
| 09:35.01 | ShredZ | wols_, isn't it normal to ask here if debian etch has this feature ? |
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| 09:35.38 | hramrach | so you either get xen or hardware support, but not both |
| 09:35.52 | wols_ | ShredZ: vmware is not in debian so what feature do you mean |
| 09:35.56 | unop | what would cause shutdown/reboot (or even telinit 6, etc) to not actually reboot but say "Give root password or press Control-D to continue" - like in single user mode ? i'm stuck at being unable to shutdown/reboot properly. |
| 09:36.30 | wols_ | for some reason it wants to go to single user mode? |
| 09:36.40 | ShredZ | wols_, the VMI support in the kernel |
| 09:37.02 | unop | wols_, well, it doesn't actually go into single user mode .. runlevel confirms this. |
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| 09:37.31 | hramrach | unop: what does it say? |
| 09:37.43 | unop | hramrach, what does what say? |
| 09:37.57 | hramrach | unop: before ti wants the password |
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| 09:38.02 | wols_ | ShredZ: /boot/config* VMI was added in 2.6.21 or so |
| 09:38.14 | wfq | what else could I check in order to know why my wlan0 interfaz is not being up and iwconfig does not show anything besides having successfully compiled the network module please? |
| 09:38.30 | unop | hramrach, errm, the usuall like "sending processes the TERM signal" etc |
| 09:39.11 | hramrach | unop: looks like some unusal bug in intscripts |
| 09:39.43 | wols_ | wfq: sylog kernel log |
| 09:39.43 | hramrach | is there a tool for checking the installed files against dpkg checksums? |
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| 09:40.48 | wols_ | debsums |
| 09:41.27 | wfq | wols_: dmesg shows nothing but wlan0 : not such as device found and cat /var/log/syslog | grep error and | grep wlan0 shows nothing also |
| 09:41.51 | wfq | wols_, lsusb shows me the exact hardware |
| 09:42.14 | hramrach | unop: you can try to add "set -x" somewhere at the start of /etc/init.d/rc (or cuncomment the debug line) to see what it's doing. After you check with debsums that the initscripts are not corrupted |
| 09:42.14 | wols_ | wfq: your driver will show more than that in the kernel log usually |
| 09:42.35 | wols_ | wfq: not you're not supposed to look for wlan0 when you don't have that interface |
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| 09:43.11 | wfq | wols_, do you have any keyword that I could look for in the logs please? |
| 09:43.14 | wfq | any idea? |
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| 09:43.18 | wols_ | wfq: did you load the firmware? |
| 09:43.27 | wols_ | wfq: your kernel log isn't that big... |
| 09:43.45 | wfq | wols_, the guide says nothing about the firmware |
| 09:44.03 | wfq | wols_, http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Main_Page |
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| 09:46.53 | hramrach | wols_: thanks, debsums is awesome ;-) |
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| 09:49.10 | wfq | wols_, I think I am missing something because at the beginning I tried to use the built-in driver that the kernel 2.6.25 brought and I got the same error... |
| 09:49.30 | wfq | I mean I did not get anything when running iwconfig |
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| 09:54.12 | wols_ | wfq: iwconfig -a |
| 09:54.18 | wols_ | and again: kernel log |
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| 09:56.18 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/15100/ |
| 09:56.19 | hellues | hey |
| 09:56.25 | hellues | when i run compiz |
| 09:56.29 | hellues | i take this error |
| 09:56.34 | hellues | how can i fix this |
| 09:56.40 | hellues | i am using debian lenny |
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| 09:59.06 | wfq | I can't get any entry in the syslog |
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| 10:06.20 | wfq | wols_, the wifi card is usb, Shouldn't I have loaded any other module more than usbcore only? |
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| 10:07.44 | Corwin | wfq: what chipset is it? what id codes does lsusb give you? |
| 10:08.31 | wfq | Corwin, it is a Netgear WG111 Version 3 but the chipset is RLT8187B |
| 10:08.51 | Corwin | I'm using a USB rtl8187 adapter |
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| 10:09.00 | wfq | here is the guide that I followed: http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Main_Page |
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| 10:09.20 | Corwin | 0bda:8187 is your device id? |
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| 10:09.25 | wfq | Corwin, di you use the built-in kernel or sources? |
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| 10:09.28 | wfq | let me check |
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| 10:10.21 | wfq | Corwin, isn't yours 8187B, only 8187? |
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| 10:10.26 | sebrock | I need some help with a HP DL320 Server and Debian. I cant for the life of me get the network to work in installer. It uses the infamous "tg3" driver... which is removed I read?? I'm trying to install from a USB stick |
| 10:10.26 | Corwin | the build in kernel version worked, but I'm using the source with the aircrack-ng patch, it seems to be more reliable. Maybe its just the driver compiled from source thats more reliable |
| 10:10.54 | Corwin | don;t know about the B. What is your usb id code? |
| 10:11.31 | wfq | hang on, I am going to get a cable to use the network and paste what lsusb says |
| 10:11.54 | sebrock | I have tried both testing / sarge and etch to no avail |
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| 10:14.07 | wfq | Corwin, this is what lsusb is telling me: http://dpaste.com/72340/ |
| 10:14.09 | Corwin | Anyone know of a good hex diff utility that will show what locations are different? |
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| 10:16.05 | Corwin | totally different id codes.. have you tried "modprobe r8187" ? |
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| 10:16.50 | wfq | Corwin the problem is not loading , that is already done |
| 10:16.56 | SammyTheSnake | in case anyone wanted to know, the answer to my question above is that chroot support was added to openssh 5.1pl-2 http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/o/openssh/openssh_5.1p1-2/changelog |
| 10:17.05 | wfq | the problem is when I state iwconfig nothing appears |
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| 10:18.18 | Corwin | wfq: google is your friend, here's your answer: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5553916 |
| 10:18.29 | Corwin | you need to add your device string to the code |
| 10:18.49 | wfq | this is exaclty was I was checking out now but thank you very much |
| 10:18.54 | tview | since nvidia-glx is not in the lenny repositories for whatever reason (at the beta 2 stage this is simply ridiculous IMO) and I (following advice here) manually installed the dpkg files, does this mean that I wont get a new update automatcally since I built the deb files myself? So next times the kernel changes I'm back to the terminal boot again? |
| 10:19.07 | Corwin | haha |
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| 10:19.37 | Corwin | I'm very happy with my rtl-8187, i have an Alfa which is 500mw power. |
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| 10:20.00 | Corwin | Now I want 2 miniPCI VALEMOUNT 1000mw cards |
| 10:20.36 | k0wabUng4_ | hi @wfq.did u suceeded? |
| 10:21.07 | wfq | K0wabUng4, I am on case |
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| 10:23.20 | wfq | Corwin, http://digg.com/linux_unix/Diff_tools_in_Linux I don't kow if that would help you with your diff tools |
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| 10:25.17 | Corwin | wfq: nope, none are for binary. It was a good read though, thanks |
| 10:25.18 | rmrfchik | i need web based issue tracker with customizable life cycle, customizable issue types and links between them |
| 10:26.49 | tview | rmrfchik: thats nice. Whats that got to do with debian if its web based? |
| 10:27.11 | rmrfchik | tview: it will run in debian ;) |
| 10:27.21 | rmrfchik | tview: nice if it will be alreadt packaged |
| 10:27.32 | tview | you said web based. |
| 10:27.32 | tview | did you mean apache? |
| 10:27.35 | petemc | tview: how does something being web based preclude it from debian? |
| 10:27.54 | tview | petemc: it doesnt. same as it doesnt mean its specifically debian. |
| 10:28.05 | wfq | Corwin, I new about this possibility but I did want to use the last shot via using a native linux driver but it seems to be the version 3 is giving a lot of problems |
| 10:28.36 | jelly | tview: asking for an app in here kinda implies "... available in debian" |
| 10:28.37 | tview | does anyone know when nvidia-glx will finally be included in the lenny repositories? |
| 10:28.43 | petemc | rmrfchik: i would ignore tview |
| 10:28.53 | rmrfchik | ;) |
| 10:29.02 | Corwin | tview: yup, as soon as nVidia open sources their drivers |
| 10:29.06 | tview | sigh. My point was it does not have to be specifically debian since he said "web based". |
| 10:29.30 | tview | Corwin: so you can explain why they are in unstable and etch then? |
| 10:29.37 | rmrfchik | tview: I mean web based. I don't care: apache, tomcat, home-brew httpd |
| 10:30.04 | tview | rmrfchik: I realised that. I dont know of one personally. |
| 10:30.27 | Corwin | tview: probably not then. I can never keep track of all the name allias in debain. I understand Experminental, Unstable, and Testing. |
| 10:30.32 | rmrfchik | tried to take a look of bugzilla3. it seems like current package is pain in the ass |
| 10:30.43 | jelly | _won't_ suggest Jira |
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| 10:31.11 | tview | Corwin: I thought not. Just wondering why the high and mighty claims about open source drivers. I like the nvidia drivers - id ont care about the politics. This is the debian end dropping the ball IMO. |
| 10:31.40 | jelly | tview: debian has always been strict about freedom, that's nothing new |
| 10:32.09 | tview | Corwin: I must admit I never knew about experimental either. Stable, testing and unstable (etch, lenny and sid) are all I knew about. |
| 10:32.09 | Corwin | tview: Ubuntu might be a great choice for you, they eliminiate the Nvidia problems for you with most of the benefits fo Debian. |
| 10:32.33 | tview | Corwin: once more - they are already in etch and unstable. I do not like or need Ubuntu thank you very much. |
| 10:33.04 | Corwin | tview: then go to the debian web site and download it from a repository it's already in |
| 10:33.09 | rmrfchik | jelly: why not jira? |
| 10:33.23 | tview | jelly: yes I realise that. But its silly when its to the detriment and there are clashing approaches. The ridiculous FU with the Xen and the nvidia drivers in the last kernel release being a godo example. it screwed peoples machines over for no good readson. |
| 10:33.48 | tview | Corwin: its quite clear you dont know what you are talking about. I have it working. I asked a question about how it will update if and whent he kernel changes. |
| 10:34.22 | tview | anyway thanks guys. I#ll ask later. |
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| 10:35.24 | jelly | !tell tview -about why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 10:36.18 | jelly | rmrfchik: it's a bit painful to use, at least in the setup our people has configured. |
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| 10:37.25 | jelly | rmrfchik: I don't know whether otrs or rt would satisfy your requirements either :-) |
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| 10:38.15 | rmrfchik | indeed, i want to use it as some requirements management |
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| 10:38.41 | Corwin | rmrfchik: any chance you could make a wiki fit your needs? |
| 10:39.42 | rmrfchik | no chance. |
| 10:40.36 | Corwin | rmrfchik: If you enable Iframes in mediawiki you can embed some simple web app database features - you can actually do a hell of a lot with it |
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| 10:40.39 | rmrfchik | now we use bugzilla, but in version 2.x you cannot customize types, life cycles and so on |
| 10:41.18 | Corwin | rmrfchik: got ya |
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| 10:46.36 | jelly | rmrfchik: types are easily customizable in Jira; workflow less so but possible afaiui |
| 10:47.08 | sebrock | When I try to install debian from USB stick it still searches for a CD-ROM (which my server does not have). How do I get pass this? |
| 10:47.54 | OpenTokix | sebrock: use expert mode and mount with loop device |
| 10:48.38 | harpal | Can I unset variable which is set by export? |
| 10:48.56 | sebrock | OpenTokix: how do I do this? |
| 10:49.31 | OpenTokix | harpal: unset |
| 10:49.40 | OpenTokix | sebrock: You can't even boot from usb-stick? |
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| 10:50.00 | jelly | rmrfchik: then again, it costs some $; the interface is rather unwieldy and there are third-party plugins and whole separate clients to work around that |
| 10:50.44 | sebrock | OpenTokix: yes, Im running the installer and everything but it fails while searching for CD-ROM |
| 10:50.46 | harpal | OpenTokix: Thanks |
| 10:51.09 | OpenTokix | sebrock: ok, I had problem with that to - do you have an iso on the usb? |
| 10:51.18 | sebrock | OpenTokix: yes |
| 10:51.28 | OpenTokix | sebrock: ok |
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| 10:52.06 | rmrfchik | jelly: i prefer free software, at least on server. don't want to freeze the work because of broken or lost licenses. |
| 10:52.24 | rmrfchik | .oO (remember vmware?) |
| 10:52.25 | jelly | rmrfchik: I prefer things that work. :-) |
| 10:52.47 | rmrfchik | but silly drm can stop the work. duh. |
| 10:53.03 | sebrock | OpenTokix: do you remember what you did? |
| 10:53.49 | OpenTokix | sebrock: no, I did it one time - game up and put a cd on the machine |
| 10:54.28 | Broady | jelly: w00t for jira! |
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| 10:55.09 | jelly | free software breaks too; keeping all the pieces sometimes doesn't help much |
| 10:55.13 | Broady | workflow is customisable |
| 10:55.19 | Broady | (in jira) (i work for atlassian) |
| 10:55.44 | jelly | Broady: of _course_ you'll have all the praise for your prod! :-) |
| 10:55.48 | Broady | haha. |
| 10:56.02 | Broady | actually, i didn't like JIRA at first, but it's grown on me. |
| 10:56.10 | jelly | Broady: where's me shared dashboard, punks! |
| 10:56.15 | Broady | jelly: it's coming! |
| 10:56.21 | Broady | ... i think. |
| 10:56.27 | jelly | winks |
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| 10:56.47 | [Jasper] | hello guys, anyone here know something about net-snmp? |
| 10:56.52 | Broady | well, there are huge integration plans for dashboards across all products, i'm not sure whether that includes shared dashboards or not |
| 10:56.54 | OpenTokix | [Jasper]: yes |
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| 10:58.28 | [Jasper] | OpenTokix you think it's possible for me to control what values the snmp sends out...I don't want it to montiro my networking device |
| 10:58.41 | [Jasper] | I just wanna send out outputwhich I control, being for example a timestmap with a value |
| 10:58.43 | [Jasper] | is that possible? |
| 10:58.43 | Broady | hey jelly... it seems they've been working on that feature :) |
| 10:58.48 | [Jasper] | or just a value for that matter |
| 10:59.02 | OpenTokix | [Jasper]: I think you have missunderstood snmp |
| 10:59.12 | [Jasper] | why? |
| 10:59.46 | OpenTokix | [Jasper]: Why are you using snmp? |
| 11:00.24 | idimmu | [Jasper]: just pull the snmp oids you want and ignore the rest? |
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| 11:01.15 | OpenTokix | idimmu: I think he want to provent 3rd party to monitor his host |
| 11:01.30 | sebrock | my god, Im dying here... how do I install from the USB stick instead of the installer aborting when no CD-ROM is available?? |
| 11:01.36 | idimmu | isnt that what communities are for OpenTokix ? |
| 11:01.43 | jelly | Broady: eh, even if it becomes a reality, I'll still have to wait a year for our admins to upgrade :-) |
| 11:02.01 | idimmu | to prevent unauthorised probing |
| 11:02.10 | OpenTokix | idimmu: yeah, maybe |
| 11:02.25 | [Jasper] | OpenTokix I have a switch which is being pulled via snmp |
| 11:02.31 | [Jasper] | by rrdtool and cacti |
| 11:02.37 | [Jasper] | this is per server |
| 11:02.54 | [Jasper] | I have 1 server running multiple vhosts...for which I wanna know the datatraffic, and make seperate graphs |
| 11:03.08 | OpenTokix | for each vhost? |
| 11:03.10 | [Jasper] | so I was thinking maybe I can let that server send out snmp with values for all the vhosts |
| 11:03.17 | [Jasper] | yes OpenTokix |
| 11:03.32 | OpenTokix | [Jasper]: Does each vhost hav a virtual interface? |
| 11:03.32 | [Jasper] | so I can use rrdtool and cacti to make the same kind of graphics for that too |
| 11:03.45 | OpenTokix | ie: eth0:1 eth0:2 etc. |
| 11:04.01 | [Jasper] | no |
| 11:04.06 | OpenTokix | or is it only named virtual hosts? |
| 11:04.17 | [Jasper] | only named virtual host in apache |
| 11:04.20 | OpenTokix | site1.leetspeak.com site2.leetspeak.com ? |
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| 11:04.27 | [Jasper] | yes |
| 11:04.31 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 11:04.32 | [Jasper] | or different domains also |
| 11:04.45 | OpenTokix | [Jasper]: I think you can do it with another cacti template |
| 11:05.26 | [Jasper] | how? |
| 11:05.32 | [Jasper] | it doesn't have the data right? |
| 11:05.40 | OpenTokix | [Jasper]: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/cactitemplates.htm |
| 11:05.42 | OpenTokix | check there |
| 11:05.49 | OpenTokix | I know there is some apache template availible |
| 11:05.54 | OpenTokix | but you have to do some additions to apache for it |
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| 11:06.53 | [Jasper] | hmm but opentokix |
| 11:06.57 | [Jasper] | I have a mysql database |
| 11:07.10 | [Jasper] | with per vhost - mail traffic, webtraffic, ftptraffic, webstorage, ftpstorage |
| 11:07.14 | [Jasper] | with timestamp + value |
| 11:07.17 | [Jasper] | every 5 minutes |
| 11:07.22 | [Jasper] | so basically I can make graphs from that |
| 11:07.27 | [Jasper] | I just like the cacti graphs alot |
| 11:07.27 | OpenTokix | oki |
| 11:07.36 | OpenTokix | [Jasper]: build a template for that then = |
| 11:07.37 | OpenTokix | =) |
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| 11:09.13 | [Jasper] | yes but how do I get that data into rrdtol:? |
| 11:09.19 | [Jasper] | OpenTokix it can't work with mysql |
| 11:09.45 | OpenTokix | [Jasper]: I think you can run any script for a template in cacti, not nessacar haveto be rrdtool - afaik |
| 11:10.30 | [Jasper] | hmm |
| 11:10.39 | [Jasper] | what does cacti do with that data then? |
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| 11:14.04 | OpenTokix | [Jasper]: no idea |
| 11:14.26 | OpenTokix | [Jasper]: http://www.cacti.net/downloads/docs/html/making_scripts_work_with_cacti.html |
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| 11:16.03 | EugenMayer | are any problems known with the etchenhal kernel 2.6.24 ? after i upgraded ( because of truecrypt ) i get freezes, what means a kernel halt or anything like that 8 i cannot debug it, because the system is not accessable anymore, not by network or local access ) |
| 11:16.09 | sebrock | There must have been other people trying to install from USB stick before and having no CDROM? Why does the installer NEED a CDROM, all files are available on USB STICK |
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| 11:17.39 | sebrock | following the guides doesnt work at all... they all end with "and the installer should start"... sure it starts but it wont get pass the ***** CD-ROM detection |
| 11:17.40 | EugenMayer | sebrock: you can define the source, where he should get the files from |
| 11:17.52 | wols_ | sebrock: what cdrom controller? |
| 11:18.15 | meredydd | Hey all - is there a particular reason that, even in sid, the packaged version of eclipse is still two versions behind upstream (3.2-->3.4)? |
| 11:18.21 | wols_ | sebrock: there is no cdrom needed |
| 11:18.30 | meredydd | And is there an official package set for newer versions somewhere? |
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| 11:18.53 | wols_ | meredydd: possibly in experimental but unlikely |
| 11:18.54 | EugenMayer | meredydd: thats normal for debian, check backports |
| 11:19.08 | jelly | meredydd: try asking the maintainer or file a wishlist bug for the newer version, if there isn't one already |
| 11:19.18 | EugenMayer | meredydd: otherwise, build you own package. Its quite easy in hte case of eclipse |
| 11:19.24 | wols_ | EugenMayer: if it'S not in sid, where should the backport come from? |
| 11:19.34 | EugenMayer | wols_: is that linked? |
| 11:19.42 | [Jasper] | ok that's clear OpenTokix that's great |
| 11:19.52 | [Jasper] | so I'll write a c script which collects my data |
| 11:19.56 | [Jasper] | and prints it |
| 11:19.56 | sebrock | EugenMayer, wols_: the HP DL320 server has no CDROM at all, only USB. Where do I point it to the ISO? |
| 11:19.59 | [Jasper] | and then cacti can use it |
| 11:20.09 | jelly | sebrock: which generation DL320? |
| 11:20.14 | sebrock | G5 |
| 11:20.20 | jelly | sebrock: G5 or G5p? |
| 11:20.27 | sebrock | G5 says bios |
| 11:20.45 | OpenTokix | [Jasper]: coolers |
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| 11:21.00 | sebrock | Also big problems with the famous tg3 driver on newer releases... |
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| 11:21.21 | petemc | i thought the tg3 issues were solved |
| 11:21.21 | jelly | sebrock: oh well. you can use iLO2 if you have a licence, to mount and boot from an arbitrary .iso image via iLO web interface |
| 11:21.23 | sebrock | but Im using a HP debian dist now... however still gets stuck on CD-ROM detection |
| 11:21.47 | jelly | sebrock: try the normal etchnhalf image instead. |
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| 11:22.20 | sebrock | jelly: I tried with Lenny testing and it does not have the tg3 driver |
| 11:22.31 | jelly | blinks |
| 11:22.55 | sebrock | is about to throw this server out the window |
| 11:23.38 | sebrock | Is the installer really made so that if no CDROM is detected it fails? It must know it actually made to boot from USB stick? |
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| 11:24.05 | jelly | sebrock: hm. are you installing i386 or amd64? |
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| 11:24.45 | sebrock | jelly: i386 |
| 11:25.11 | jelly | sebrock: how did you create the usb image? |
| 11:25.15 | sebrock | works with Ubuntu, however I need it to be Debian |
| 11:25.21 | sebrock | jelly according to the guide |
| 11:25.27 | sebrock | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en#usb-add-iso |
| 11:25.35 | jelly | sebrock: you can always debootstrap debian from ubuntu, failing everything else |
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| 11:25.56 | jelly | even use their kernel if it works |
| 11:26.14 | sebrock | their vmlinuz? |
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| 11:26.20 | sebrock | would that work? |
| 11:26.41 | sebrock | I need it to be debian... |
| 11:26.50 | sebrock | well at least when the install is over |
| 11:26.56 | jelly | sebrock: their /boot/{vmlinuz,initrd.img,System.map}*version and /lib/modules/version |
| 11:27.22 | jelly | it would most likely work, just like any other custom kernel |
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| 11:27.47 | wols_ | sebrock: it does |
| 11:27.55 | wols_ | !install |
| 11:27.55 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 11:28.30 | sebrock | well, does the ubuntu kernel look for a iso in that way aswell? |
| 11:29.01 | sebrock | what exactly do I need to copy to the stick? |
| 11:29.17 | jelly | sebrock: er, no. can you boot ubuntu and make network work? |
| 11:29.24 | sebrock | yes |
| 11:29.50 | jelly | sebrock: great. so boot it, format the partitions and install base debian system using the debootstrap method |
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| 11:30.21 | sebrock | ehum |
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| 11:30.33 | jelly | sebrock: after that, copy all the ubuntu kernel bits to the debian installation, chroot into there and configure grub to boot that kernel |
| 11:30.41 | wols_ | jelly: why? |
| 11:30.56 | jelly | wols_: because their kernel works? |
| 11:31.08 | wols_ | what's wrong with debian kernels? what doesn't work? |
| 11:31.18 | sebrock | first of tg3 doesnot work |
| 11:31.23 | jelly | wols_: /lastlog ftw |
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| 11:31.50 | EugenMayer | /lastlog |
| 11:31.58 | EugenMayer | damn |
| 11:32.00 | sebrock | secondly debian installer constantly says it needs CDROM support when trying to do it from USB |
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| 11:32.11 | jelly | EugenMayer: /lastlog somestring (a nickname, for example) |
| 11:32.19 | EugenMayer | /lastlog me |
| 11:32.25 | jelly | !fail EugenMayer |
| 11:33.12 | EugenMayer | actually, are problems known with the 2.5.24 etchnhalf kernel? I get freezes after upgrading from 2.6.18 |
| 11:33.12 | jelly | sebrock: that jsut means it couldn't find your usb stick with the .iso image on it |
| 11:34.08 | micols | why STP in favor of Bonding under Linux? |
| 11:34.09 | sebrock | jelly, I have mounted the stick to /temp and pointed my cdrom there |
| 11:34.14 | sebrock | stilll does not work |
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| 11:36.03 | jelly | sebrock: sorry, busy right now |
| 11:36.07 | sebrock | So Im just surprised at how unflexible the installer is |
| 11:36.21 | micols | http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/switches/lan/catalyst6500/ios/12.1E/native/configuration/guide/spantree.html |
| 11:36.25 | micols | why stp in stead of bonding in linux kernel? |
| 11:36.39 | wols_ | micols: are we in #cisco? |
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| 11:37.26 | jelly | micols: what do you mean "instead"? |
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| 11:38.21 | jelly | wols_: that's just a link to explain what he's talking about |
| 11:38.23 | shingen | I've somehow broken gnome... launcher for synaptic doesn't work, shows a minimized window that says 'starting administrative ...' and runs in the background till I kil it, but if I run gksu /usr/sbin/synaptic from cli, it shows up just fine... any ideas? |
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| 11:39.05 | wols_ | micols: but for a cisco switch. does cisco switches run debian? |
| 11:39.30 | jelly | micols: linux (and debian) support bonding. /msg dpkg bonding |
| 11:39.41 | petemc | wols_: do you ever get bored chastising people for being off topic? |
| 11:39.44 | micols | wols_: this is STP vs bonding |
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| 11:39.56 | micols | favor and against.. |
| 11:40.08 | micols | i think bonding sets some requirements to your switch/NIC |
| 11:40.14 | jelly | petemc: I'm just puzzled why he's stuck on the url which is clearly a reference |
| 11:40.28 | micols | such as standard support switch and NIC maconline changeable |
| 11:40.31 | micols | changeability |
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| 11:41.15 | jelly | micols: indeed, and if your nics and the drivers support it, you can have bonding in linux. |
| 11:41.18 | micols | there are 4 ways of doing bonding in linux, my switch for example only supports one or two modes |
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| 11:42.08 | micols | jelly: why not let the gateway do the bonding instead of relying on switch/router STP? |
| 11:42.17 | micols | if its already a debian gateway with iptables and the like. |
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| 11:42.32 | sebrock | jelly. busy? ;) |
| 11:42.36 | shingen | cisco switches run CatOS or IOS, not debian :) |
| 11:42.52 | jelly | sebrock: yeah. shouldn't have gotten involved |
| 11:42.55 | micols | STP is an open protocol iirc |
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| 11:43.02 | micols | and bonding is linux :) |
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| 11:44.11 | shingen | uh, spanning tree protocol != bonding or nic teaming/pairing |
| 11:44.12 | jelly | micols: what? bonding is done between two link-level peers; I don't get what you're asking. |
| 11:44.29 | jelly | lunches |
| 11:44.30 | micols | bonding is done directly in kernel jelly |
| 11:44.31 | shingen | you're talking about LACP |
| 11:44.34 | shingen | not STP |
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| 11:45.14 | shingen | I've somehow broken gnome... launcher for synaptic doesn't work, shows a minimized window that says 'starting administrative ...' and runs in the background till I kil it, but if I run gksu /usr/sbin/synaptic from cli, it shows up just fine... any ideas? |
| 11:45.30 | micols | shingen: STP is a Layer 2 link management protocol that provides path redundancy while preventing undesirable loops in the network. |
| 11:45.39 | abrotman | shingen: did you check the BTS? |
| 11:45.48 | micols | bonding may be used for path redundancy too. |
| 11:45.56 | micols | the linux kernel switches over on the bonding device. |
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| 11:46.19 | shingen | michols: may be used, but it's primarily used for nic teaming / pairing or aggregation, like lacp |
| 11:46.49 | micols | shingen: so if its lacp, whats the pros and cons to using lacp in favor of bonding in kernel? |
| 11:46.55 | shingen | michols: stp is for shutting down redundant links in the network to prevent looping and to allow for redundancy should a link die |
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| 11:47.09 | core0 | ;) |
| 11:47.26 | shingen | michols: being able to extend the link beyond a single point to point connection over lacp |
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| 11:47.50 | shingen | abrotman: BTS? :) |
| 11:48.12 | abrotman | !bts |
| 11:48.13 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
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| 11:50.39 | sebrock | LOOOL at this CDROm detection stuff |
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| 11:51.23 | Cholito | is lenny frozen? |
| 11:51.43 | _spm_Draget | Despite having autofs in my multiuser bootlevel, it still does not get startet when the systems boots. Manually starting it (even over SSH before a user logs in) does work nicely. But I do not find any information why it does not start during boot. Does anyone have an idea what i could try? |
| 11:52.43 | sep | reading the boot logs :) |
| 11:53.11 | abrotman | Cholito: yes |
| 11:53.58 | _spm_Draget | I tried /var/log/messages, syslog and dmesg | grep autofs does not show anything |
| 11:54.24 | _spm_Draget | It is an ubuntusystem I have to admin. But I do not know where it logs the daemons. |
| 11:55.03 | abrotman | _spm_Draget: ask #ubuntu ? |
| 11:55.46 | _spm_Draget | abrotman: Doing that since 15 minutes, but almost looks like nobody over there knows where those things are logged, or just ignores me =( |
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| 11:56.44 | abrotman | _spm_Draget: then wait and ask again .. we cannot help you here (alternately, ask ##linux) |
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| 11:57.14 | _spm_Draget | Well, where does debian usually log the daemons during boot? |
| 11:57.45 | abrotman | _spm_Draget: really .. ask #ubuntu |
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| 11:58.29 | daydalu | or install debian so #debian would be the right place to ask :P |
| 11:58.34 | _spm_Draget | So instead in #debian I should ask a debian-related question in #ubuntu? |
| 11:59.07 | abrotman | _spm_Draget: you're using Ubuntu, ask #ubuntu .. Why is this hard for you to understand? |
| 11:59.12 | daydalu | _spm_Draget: no, but it does not make any sense to answer your trick question, to get support for ubuntu indirectly |
| 11:59.32 | Cholito | abrotman: then, how come I have 110 packages to update? =/ |
| 11:59.46 | abrotman | Cholito: you haven't done a dist-upgrade in awhile ? |
| 12:00.11 | Cholito | last week maybe |
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| 12:00.24 | _spm_Draget | Well, I still would know how the standard debian syslog would save the files. I would learn something for life. And learning new things is always nice. Kinda sad that you actively refuse to help me, but oh well. |
| 12:00.26 | abrotman | Cholito: frozen does not mean that new packages don't come in |
| 12:00.28 | Cholito | I'm sure I did it after it was frozen |
| 12:00.46 | abrotman | _spm_Draget: this isn't funny anymore |
| 12:00.47 | daydalu | _spm_Draget: you are slowly annoying the shit out of me. |
| 12:00.55 | _spm_Draget | Whatever |
| 12:00.56 | Cholito | frozen=no updates right? |
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| 12:01.00 | abrotman | Cholito: no |
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| 12:01.06 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 12:01.06 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 12:01.13 | abrotman | see if that d-d-a URL explains it more |
| 12:01.37 | abrotman | Cholito: they'll still accept bug fixes, etc .. you will get new packages until release |
| 12:01.51 | wols_ | Cholito: no new versions but lots of fixing of rc bugs |
| 12:02.14 | Cholito | ohhhh, *now* I get it :)) |
| 12:02.19 | enouf | Cholito: when it gets to 1300 than start worrying |
| 12:02.20 | Cholito | thanks :) |
| 12:02.28 | enouf | s/than/then |
| 12:03.06 | abrotman | Cholito: there can be exceptions to the 'no new features' thing .. but it's limited |
| 12:03.22 | danners_ | in the time lenny if frozen will updates for lenny go through unstable or get directly in lenny? |
| 12:03.30 | abrotman | unstable then lenny |
| 12:03.54 | danners_ | abrotman: so in this time there also will be no feature updates for unstable? |
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| 12:04.08 | abrotman | danners_: or they can file bugs to keep them out of testing |
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| 12:05.18 | abrotman | there used to be a standing bug against tor to keep it out of testing as release got closer |
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| 12:05.36 | wols_ | abrotman: any special reason? |
| 12:05.55 | abrotman | wols_: changing protocols etc .. |
| 12:06.38 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=378758 |
| 12:06.46 | abrotman | was the bug for etch IIRC |
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| 12:12.29 | trentster | hey all, I have the strangest problem, having extremely poor network performance slowdown when copying to an NFS NAS volume, will get a peak of 20-30MBps then almost no activity for about 40 seconds then another little peak. I have tried putting in an intel pro1000 network card, cable change etc, still same problem. However if I boot off the live cd and try the same thing I get a sustained 55MBps working perfectly....any ideas? |
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| 12:16.50 | thrope | hi - I have some trouble writing to tape: cat /etc/motd > /dev/st0, cat /etc/motd | dd of=/dev/st0 bs=512 etc. fail but echo /etc/motd | afio -o - > /dev/st0 works |
| 12:17.01 | thrope | how can I pipe data to a tape? |
| 12:17.24 | thrope | I can't use afio because i want to pipe encrypted data to the tape, not existing files |
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| 12:20.19 | Ben_Cs | hello. does debian have graphical installation? |
| 12:20.25 | abrotman | yes |
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| 12:21.42 | wols_ | I never actually tried that yet... |
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| 12:22.26 | Ben_Cs | thanks |
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| 12:23.03 | abrotman | you'd think he'd want to know how to use it |
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| 12:23.27 | jelly | trentster: which live cd? do you have any iptables rules active? |
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| 12:24.25 | dead_ | is there a command, giving me the distribution and its version? |
| 12:24.43 | tarzeau | dead_: yes |
| 12:25.03 | wols_ | !version |
| 12:25.03 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 12:25.03 | tarzeau | dead_: lsb_release -c |
| 12:25.10 | trentster | jelly, no iptables...and used the ubuntu hardy live cd |
| 12:25.11 | dead_ | thank you |
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| 12:25.49 | jelly | trentster: so, different kernel builds and versions |
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| 12:27.06 | jelly | trentster: are ethtool settings the same on both? |
| 12:27.29 | jelly | trentster: check. Also, try a different version kernel on debian too. |
| 12:28.38 | trentster | jelly, yup will give that a try next, thanks |
| 12:28.54 | trentster | jelly, I suspect some other service or daemon is interfering |
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| 12:35.05 | Nyle | Good Morning |
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| 12:57.07 | Nyle | !ping |
| 12:57.07 | dpkg | pong |
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| 13:01.38 | jelly | oh hai Nyle |
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| 13:03.33 | Nyle | hello |
| 13:04.04 | Nyle | jelly, what are super cow powers? |
| 13:04.20 | jelly | ask any super cow. |
| 13:04.24 | Nyle | oh |
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| 13:05.03 | Nyle | $>apt-get --help | grep "Cow Powers" && aptitude --help | grep "Cow Powers" |
| 13:05.03 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.04 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.13 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.23 | Nyle | jelly, ^^ what do you make of this. |
| 13:05.27 | Nyle | s/./? |
| 13:05.48 | idimmu | never done apt-get moo ? |
| 13:05.50 | jelly | apt-get moo |
| 13:06.06 | Nyle | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 13:06.09 | nezza-_- | hey guys.. i'm compiling a file which uses std::strlen. if i compile with g++-4.3 it doesnt work, he says that strlen is not a member of std, but with g++-4.2 it does work. i;m using debian lenny with latest updates... anybody could confirm this? |
| 13:06.09 | Nyle | HAHAHAHAHAAhahahahahhahahahaha |
| 13:06.13 | Nyle | oh man |
| 13:06.14 | idimmu | its not that funny |
| 13:06.26 | MrMinit | indeed |
| 13:06.26 | Nyle | that wa beautiful... brightened up my morning so far |
| 13:06.38 | MrMinit | Nyle: apt-get install cowsay |
| 13:06.46 | idimmu | cowsay *is* the best |
| 13:07.17 | Nyle | are you guys Hindu? |
| 13:07.18 | MrMinit | /usr/games/fortune science computers | cowsay -n -f sodomized |
| 13:07.24 | MrMinit | That's my /etc/profile |
| 13:07.31 | Nyle | whats with the cow love? |
| 13:08.52 | randomity | Nyle: try aptitude moo |
| 13:09.03 | randomity | then aptitude -v moo, aptitude -vv moo, etc |
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| 13:09.20 | jelly | !lose randomity |
| 13:09.20 | dpkg | randomity: You Lose. |
| 13:09.43 | randomity | hey, it's not my fault :P |
| 13:10.42 | jelly | yes it is |
| 13:10.55 | Nyle | web development sucks |
| 13:10.57 | Nyle | I hate coding... |
| 13:11.15 | Nyle | thats all I've been doing for 3 days solid |
| 13:11.23 | Nyle | bleh. |
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| 13:11.32 | Nyle | I'm gonna get ready and go to work, see ya'll later |
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| 13:12.41 | nezza-_- | anybody expecting same problem? |
| 13:12.47 | nezza-_- | or anybody got tips? |
| 13:13.07 | petemc | use 4.2? |
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| 13:14.49 | nezza-_- | petemc: this is not a solution.. i want to know if it works with gcc-4.3 for anybody else |
| 13:15.24 | mbroeker | nezza-_-, do you include string.h or cstring ? |
| 13:15.30 | nezza-_- | mbroeker: string.h |
| 13:15.36 | mbroeker | replace it |
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| 13:16.05 | nezza-_- | mbroeker: works! thank you |
| 13:16.09 | mbroeker | np |
| 13:17.33 | mbroeker | to use the "oldstyle" strlen, try ::strlen(s); |
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| 13:20.13 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 13:21.42 | dbmoodb_ | !nvidia |
| 13:21.42 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 13:21.57 | n-iCe | !intel |
| 13:21.57 | dpkg | hmm... intel is http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/NOTICE |
| 13:22.29 | up365 | !ati |
| 13:22.29 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>. |
| 13:22.45 | abrotman | !msg the bot |
| 13:22.45 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
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| 13:23.12 | jelly | !botabuse |
| 13:23.13 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 13:23.21 | n-iCe | haha |
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| 13:24.34 | Zmanu | hello |
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| 13:25.27 | Zmanu | i'm looking for installer in bash/dialog for debian, i create a distro based on debian, and i prefer bash/dialog than c/ncurses, is someone can tell me where i can find it ? |
| 13:25.34 | Zmanu | or a doc to have information about |
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| 13:26.02 | tarzeau | Zmanu: you mean debootstrap? |
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| 13:26.20 | Zmanu | tarzeau: name i know |
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| 13:27.40 | Zmanu | tarzeau: i find a doc, thanks a lot |
| 13:27.53 | tarzeau | Zmanu: yw |
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| 13:28.36 | Ian_Daniher | I'm readingthe nano man page, which says that there's some way to search through a document, but it doesn't say how |
| 13:28.41 | Ian_Daniher | does anyone know? |
| 13:29.32 | SPF | Ian_Daniher: control+w |
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| 13:30.00 | rnix | hi, does anyone know if ethtool effects the nic state just in time or do i have to ifdown/ifup the iface (i disabled tso due to a driver problem) |
| 13:30.31 | wols_ | should affect it directly |
| 13:30.34 | Ian_Daniher | thanks SPF |
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| 13:31.07 | rnix | wols_: thx |
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| 13:34.31 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 13:34.46 | SamuraiDio | can someone gimme some help with tuxguitar + fluidsynth? |
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| 13:34.53 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 13:34.53 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 13:35.14 | vaq | !popcorn |
| 13:35.15 | dpkg | pours a bag of popcorn into f00li5h's lap. (You probably mean popcon, ask me about "popcon") |
| 13:35.23 | vaq | !popcon |
| 13:35.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
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| 13:36.45 | haxi_vista | :o |
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| 13:45.46 | martianlobster | What do I need to apt-get install, to get netstat? |
| 13:45.55 | martianlobster | I need to run a netstat - pantu |
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| 13:46.47 | ricosecada | How can I do this right? header("Location: https:".$_SERVER['HTTP_HOST']."/admin/"); |
| 13:46.52 | stew | martianlobster: net-tools (/msg dpkg search) |
| 13:46.57 | ricosecada | sorry! wrong channel! |
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| 13:47.07 | cr3 | what is the syscall (2) or library call (3) to get the uid corresponding to a user? |
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| 13:47.38 | mbroeker | cr3, getpwnam? |
| 13:47.43 | martianlobster | stew, thanks |
| 13:47.59 | cr3 | mbroeker: that's it! thanks man, I can never remember that call |
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| 13:56.44 | [Jasper] | anyone here using cacti? |
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| 13:57.55 | MrMinit | [Jasper]: I used to |
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| 13:59.57 | MrMinit | it's still installed, though |
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| 14:00.28 | sebrock | How do I skip the CD-ROM detection thing when installing from a USBstick? I cant seem to get pass it... |
| 14:00.36 | phlux | After upgrading my kernel, my wireless card (powered by ndiswrapper) doesn't work anymore |
| 14:00.42 | phlux | Any ideas on what I should do? |
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| 14:01.07 | wols_ | reinstall ndiswrapper for your new kernel |
| 14:01.26 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 14:01.48 | sebrock | there must be a way to install debian on a computer that has no CDROM? |
| 14:02.07 | jetscreamer | sebrock: goodbye-windows.com if you have windows... floppies work |
| 14:02.13 | stew | sebrock: how did you prepare the usb stick? |
| 14:02.14 | jetscreamer | the usb boot works also but... |
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| 14:02.32 | stew | sebrock: did you use the hd-install kernel? or just copy an iso to it? |
| 14:02.40 | [Jasper] | MrMinit did you use debian to install it? |
| 14:02.40 | phlux | Makefile:34: *** Cannot find kernel version in /lib/modules/2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686/build, is it configured?. Stop. |
| 14:02.50 | [Jasper] | and if you apt-getted it...under what user is your cacti running? |
| 14:03.02 | sebrock | stew I prepared it with syslinux... and copy a full ISO on the stick. Problem is the installer runs, but after failing to load CDROM modules nothing more happens |
| 14:03.07 | sebrock | ie it fails |
| 14:03.17 | stew | sebrock: are you using the hd-media installer? |
| 14:03.23 | jetscreamer | apt-got dammit! :) |
| 14:03.48 | sebrock | stew I tried about everything |
| 14:03.53 | MrMinit | [Jasper]: I made a new user for it |
| 14:04.05 | phlux | Any ideas? |
| 14:04.09 | stew | sebrock: did you try the hd-media installer? |
| 14:04.13 | phlux | Can't build ndiswrapper.. |
| 14:04.15 | jetscreamer | itriedtheusblennyrecently..no joy for me |
| 14:04.24 | jetscreamer | dang spacebar |
| 14:04.28 | stew | sebrock: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 14:04.36 | phlux | Makefile:34: *** Cannot find kernel version in /lib/modules/2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686/build, is it configured?. Stop. |
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| 14:05.00 | stew | phlux: are you using module-assistant? |
| 14:05.02 | jetscreamer | phlux: i know nothing... got linux-headers? |
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| 14:05.20 | phlux | stew: no |
| 14:05.21 | stew | phlux: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 14:05.24 | sebrock | stew yes, the next problem is that this server (HP DL320 G5) has the famous tg3 module for the NICs, so thats not working eihter |
| 14:05.26 | phlux | I installed a new kernel last night |
| 14:05.31 | jetscreamer | or did you just install the kernel and pray |
| 14:05.54 | phlux | jetscreamer: just used 'apt-get' as instructed by jelly |
| 14:06.18 | jetscreamer | as in apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` ? |
| 14:06.25 | phlux | no |
| 14:06.35 | stew | there is no need to install the linux-headers, module-assitant does that for you |
| 14:06.47 | jetscreamer | well |
| 14:07.10 | jetscreamer | that doesn't answer the question if he was trying to build w/o the headers :) |
| 14:07.13 | phlux | as in apt-get install -t etch-backports install linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf |
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| 14:07.32 | stew | etchnhalf isnt' in backports, its in etch |
| 14:07.36 | jetscreamer | but very true |
| 14:07.50 | phlux | shrugs |
| 14:07.58 | phlux | that's the command I used |
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| 14:08.26 | phlux | anywho, installing the headers did it. |
| 14:08.27 | phlux | thanks |
| 14:08.29 | jetscreamer | and it's a metapackage |
| 14:08.51 | stew | phlux: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 14:08.51 | jetscreamer | doesn't love them |
| 14:09.23 | jetscreamer | s/love/love\ some\ of/ |
| 14:09.37 | phlux | stew: Don't want to install ndiswrapper from apt-get. I'd rather build it. |
| 14:09.45 | phlux | And it builds now with headers installed. |
| 14:09.48 | jetscreamer | uh |
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| 14:09.52 | stew | phlux: i was giving you a command to build it |
| 14:09.54 | roy2019 | hi |
| 14:09.56 | jetscreamer | m-a just does it for you |
| 14:10.00 | jetscreamer | builds it |
| 14:10.10 | phlux | aptitude install ndiswrapper-common |
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| 14:10.26 | phlux | I wanted to build ndiswrapper from source |
| 14:10.27 | Maliuta | ndiswrapper is _not_ support |
| 14:10.30 | phlux | which is done now |
| 14:10.32 | phlux | so it's all good. |
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| 14:11.04 | stew | phlux: ndiswrapper-common isn't compiled. its a set of arch independent scripts |
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| 14:12.34 | Sysctl___ | something strange with xen in etch and a half. when i create and start a vm in xen, it asks for the luks passphase... and after 3 bad tries, it boots as normal |
| 14:12.38 | Sysctl___ | whats going here? |
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| 14:14.59 | Asher256 | hi |
| 14:15.04 | Asher256 | It's possible to configure sftp (ssh) to have right to upload and not to delete ? |
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| 14:15.39 | onats | isn't that based on the rights of the user? |
| 14:15.40 | keanu | Hi, I'm wondering if these errors look like they're caused by a failing drive - http://pastebin.com/d3cdaf99a |
| 14:16.01 | Asher256 | onats, yes |
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| 14:16.13 | Asher256 | onats, it's possible without using ACLs ? |
| 14:16.15 | abrotman | keanu: either that or a bad CDMA setting |
| 14:16.19 | abrotman | erm .. DMA |
| 14:16.26 | onats | actually i'm just bouncing ideas. |
| 14:16.32 | daydalu | Asher256: uploading aswell as deleting requires write access. so that would require a trick to work |
| 14:17.16 | Asher256 | daydalu, and with a simple ftp server in debian, it's possible easily |
| 14:17.47 | keanu | abrotman, it's been running fine for a month or two, and I haven't changed any DMA settings (don't know how to) |
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| 14:18.34 | abrotman | keanu: backup your data |
| 14:18.53 | Zmanu | is someone can tell what difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap ? |
| 14:18.55 | Asher256 | daydalu, onats : no idea ? |
| 14:18.59 | keanu | abrotman, that's what i'm doing now |
| 14:19.11 | keanu | thanks for the help abrotman |
| 14:19.15 | onats | asher256, no idea. i'm just talking to you so you will come up with the idea. hehehe |
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| 14:19.26 | abrotman | keanu: i assume you've tried to reset cables/controllers/reboot ? |
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| 14:19.42 | Asher256 | onats, :) |
| 14:19.55 | keanu | abrotman, it's a server, so I can't do much with the cables or controllers |
| 14:19.58 | abrotman | keanu: erm .. reseat .. not reset |
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| 14:20.18 | daydalu | Asher256: with a common ftpd setup you could jail the users into a certain directory, and have a script triggered that moves complete uploads out there to some /var/cache/incoming |
| 14:20.22 | abrotman | keanu: sure you can .. |
| 14:20.39 | keanu | abrotman, oh? |
| 14:20.41 | [Jasper] | guys |
| 14:20.49 | [Jasper] | php -m should list mysql when I apt-getted php5-mysql right? |
| 14:21.03 | abrotman | keanu: you can still take the drive out, reseat cables to the backplane, etc |
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| 14:21.23 | keanu | abrotman, I don't have access to the server ;) |
| 14:21.29 | Asher256 | daydalu, onats : i've an idea. Make directories owned by root, and files by usercannotdelete |
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| 14:21.33 | abrotman | keanu: ah .. well in that case .. backup :) |
| 14:21.43 | keanu | heh, thanks |
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| 14:22.09 | onats | whats the issue again? |
| 14:22.14 | daydalu | heh |
| 14:22.34 | abrotman | [Jasper]: is it enabled in the php.ini ? |
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| 14:22.55 | [Jasper] | abrotman I guess it is? |
| 14:23.00 | abrotman | check? |
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| 14:23.38 | fairway | cvs -d cvs:pserver:anonymous@jipcam.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/jipcam login says bad CVSROOT. what's wrong? |
| 14:23.58 | [Jasper] | what should I look for abrotman ? |
| 14:24.59 | abrotman | something that mentions mysql? |
| 14:25.02 | stew | [Jasper]: look for 'extension=mysql.so' to appear in /etc/php5/cli/conf.d/mysql.ini |
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| 14:26.58 | [Jasper] | but those are settings for apache2 with php right ? |
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| 14:27.01 | [Jasper] | stew? |
| 14:27.06 | [Jasper] | what if I run php from command line? |
| 14:27.10 | [Jasper] | that doesn't go through apache right? |
| 14:27.21 | stew | [Jasper]: no, settings for apache2 with php are in /etc/php5/apache2, not /etc/php5/cli |
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| 14:30.35 | [Jasper] | I don't have a cli ? |
| 14:30.35 | [Jasper] | :P |
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| 14:31.35 | stew | [Jasper]: is php5-cli installed? |
| 14:32.18 | [Jasper] | ok that sucked |
| 14:32.19 | [Jasper] | bigtime |
| 14:32.24 | [Jasper] | apparently cacti uses php4 |
| 14:32.26 | [Jasper] | isntead of 5 |
| 14:32.26 | [Jasper] | :P |
| 14:32.34 | [Jasper] | I didn't have php4-mysq linstalled |
| 14:32.38 | [Jasper] | while I did have php5-mysql |
| 14:32.39 | martianlobster | I just rented a server in Chicago, and I want to put it on EST time rather that CDT. What setting do I change? |
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| 14:33.26 | stew | martianlobster: run tzconfig |
| 14:33.40 | martianlobster | stew: thanks |
| 14:34.19 | hoxu | !tell [Jasper] about enter |
| 14:34.54 | martianlobster | stew: that worked :) |
| 14:35.42 | phlux | had to install new firmware for the wireless. |
| 14:35.42 | zorrolero | [Jasper]: http://www.cacti.net/downloads/docs/html/requirements.html -> "5.x greater highly recommended for advanced features" |
| 14:35.44 | thrope | hi - I'm using gpg in a pipe - but for some reason it doesn't quit on a broken pipe when the next program in the chain quites, which is something i'd like... Is there any way to get gpg to quit on a broken output pipe? |
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| 14:37.02 | [Jasper] | dl-prv01:/usr/share/cacti/site# php --version |
| 14:37.02 | [Jasper] | PHP 4.4.4-8+etch6 (cli) (built: May 16 2008 15:59:34) |
| 14:37.07 | [Jasper] | is that php version 4 or 5 ? |
| 14:37.38 | stew | [Jasper]: that is version 4, you can switch to version 5 with "aptitude isntall libapache2-mod-php5 php5-cli" |
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| 14:40.52 | eps | I'm having issues with apt-cache using a 1 gig of ram and 100% cpu for three to five minutes every so often (maybe 15 times an hour) and it is making my computer unusable. how do I go about working out what is wrong? |
| 14:41.18 | Maliuta | how many repositories do you have in your sources.list? |
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| 14:41.59 | eps | Maliuta, four, a friend already suggested removing excess repos |
| 14:42.19 | stew | eps: what is calling apt-cache? |
| 14:42.28 | Maliuta | eps: did you rerun apt-get update afterwards? |
| 14:42.42 | phlux | Gnome's network manager won't detect a wireless connection unless I'm authenticated as root.. any ideas? |
| 14:42.54 | eps | yes Maliuta I have also done clean, check, and autoclean/automremove |
| 14:43.00 | Maliuta | phlux: permissions + group membership |
| 14:43.12 | eps | stew, I have been running ps auxf to try and work that out but I can never see it in the list when I can see it running in top (when the usage spikes) |
| 14:43.17 | phlux | Maliuta: It works before I upgraded my kernel, heh |
| 14:43.21 | phlux | Worked, even |
| 14:43.45 | Maliuta | phlux: if users can't do something that root can I'd say permissions |
| 14:44.02 | stew | eps: so its running for 3-5 minutes, but ps auxf doesn't show it? |
| 14:44.07 | Maliuta | if a driver changed maybe a device name changed and udev set different perms |
| 14:44.20 | eps | wait I just caught it |
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| 14:44.29 | Maliuta | phlux: don't rule it out without looking |
| 14:44.41 | eps | weird, posting to pastebin |
| 14:44.59 | phlux | Maliuta: so what should I check for? |
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| 14:45.34 | eps | steven_, Maliuta, this is what's calling it http://pastebin.com/d18bb550e |
| 14:45.46 | eps | gajim should have no reason to even think about calling apt though :/ |
| 14:45.52 | Maliuta | phlux: permissions on wirless devices, binaries, anything that the "wireless manager" is going to look at/open |
| 14:46.38 | Maliuta | eps: it's in a D state, so it's looking for I/O |
| 14:46.53 | Maliuta | eps: it doesn't do this if you call it from the cli? |
| 14:47.18 | eps | I just ran apt-cache policy and it causes the issues I've been having |
| 14:47.24 | stew | eps: apt-cache policy should be quick. how long does it take when you run "apt-cache policy" by hand? |
| 14:47.33 | eps | so I assume there is an issue with my policy setup |
| 14:47.37 | stew | eps: can you show us the output of 'apt-cache policy'? |
| 14:47.38 | eps | (not that I've changed it ever) |
| 14:47.51 | eps | okay, but it will take several minutes |
| 14:48.01 | stew | eps: yes you have changed it, when you deleted sources |
| 14:48.37 | eps | ah okay, wwell this debian install has been goingg for ~4 years noow |
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| 14:49.17 | phlux | Maliuta: shouldn't the udev be in /dev/net? |
| 14:49.20 | Weems | Im having an error pasted here http://pastebin.ca/1178404 |
| 14:49.39 | wald0 | why wicd isn't in debian repo's ? |
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| 14:49.53 | Maliuta | phlux: no |
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| 14:50.11 | phlux | oh.. hrm |
| 14:50.19 | eps | steven_, here is my policy output http://pastebin.com/d1c871acc |
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| 14:50.29 | Maliuta | phlux: you need to determine _why_ a user can't do something root can. Look at the ownership and perms on all the files that binary is opening |
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| 14:50.45 | Weems | Im having an error pasted here http://pastebin.ca/1178404 |
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| 14:50.51 | Maliuta | phlux: if it _is_ a device differnce, then you need to look at things like udev |
| 14:51.15 | eps | stew* |
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| 14:52.38 | ignoob | help: I sent a folder to the trash. It had a file in it that belongs (permissions) to root. I can't figure out how to get it out of there (to empty the trash). I tried opening a root terminal, but can't figure out how to navigate to the trash. I also opened Nautilus from a root terminal but can't figure out how to navigate to trash. |
| 14:53.07 | eps | stew, I just ran apt-cache gencache and policy now runs instantly, hopefully that will fix my issue. why is gajim running it in the first place though :/ |
| 14:53.19 | Maliuta | ignoob: sounds like a distro non-specific gnome problem |
| 14:53.21 | abrotman | ignoob: uhm .. isn't there a .Trash in your ~/Desktop/ ? |
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| 14:53.26 | ktwilight__ | i've been trying to search for a howto in getting java work on iceweasel, but even dpkg (bot) doen't have the definitive answer. does anyone have a clue? |
| 14:53.29 | ktwilight__ | amd64 btw |
| 14:53.39 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
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| 14:53.53 | ktwilight__ | lenny. |
| 14:54.00 | wols_ | ktwilight__: nspluginwrapper is the only way to get sun java to work in 64bit browsers |
| 14:54.06 | wols_ | ktwilight__: otherwise: use a 32bit one |
| 14:54.12 | ktwilight__ | wols_, so i've read from dpkg, but i can't find a guide for that :/ |
| 14:54.13 | wols_ | !Info nspluginwrapper lenny |
| 14:54.14 | Nemoder | I don't think the pluginwrapper works with java |
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| 14:54.25 | stew | ktwilight__: aptitude install gcjwebplugin |
| 14:54.25 | ktwilight__ | Nemoder, i've also read some articles on that. |
| 14:54.35 | Nemoder | ktwilight__: try icedtea-gcjwebplugin |
| 14:54.36 | ktwilight__ | stew, also saw that package, but hope that'd be the last resort |
| 14:55.21 | Nemoder | ktwilight__: iced-tea is based on sun's openjdk, it's not too bad |
| 14:56.04 | ktwilight__ | hm. will try it out then :) |
| 14:56.08 | ktwilight__ | thanks for the answers~! |
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| 14:56.59 | ignoob | abrotman: there is a .Trash in your ~/Desktop/ in nautilus as non-root and it has the problem file in it. But when I am logged in as root and go to the trash (with root nautilus) ... the problem file is not there. |
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| 14:57.27 | wols_ | Nemoder: you're right :( |
| 14:57.46 | ignoob | abrotman: OH ... sorry, thx. It's .Trash ... I found it |
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| 14:59.15 | ignoob | abrotman: SUCCESS ... thanks so much! |
| 14:59.16 | abrotman | ignoob: i said that! :) |
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| 15:00.38 | Cope | what's the current recommended way to perform automated debian installs? |
| 15:01.38 | tarzeau | Cope: preseeding? |
| 15:01.40 | ktwilight__ | ooo~ the icedtea-gcjwebplugin works :) |
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| 15:01.50 | tarzeau | Cope: http://wiki.debian.org/Enterprise |
| 15:01.54 | wols_ | ktwilight__: do all the plugins work too? |
| 15:02.06 | ktwilight__ | hm, it's actually still loading, but at least it's one step closer. |
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| 15:02.46 | enzo_5 | humm.. i was doing a apt-get dist-upgrade on a remote server to upgrade from sarge to etch, and my konsole crashed... how can i continue the upgrade process ? |
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| 15:03.12 | ktwilight__ | wols_, hm, java's test says it's a-ok, but not for my site applet... |
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| 15:03.45 | stew | enzo_5: you shoudln't be using apt-get for that, "/msg dpkg sarge->etch" for the recommended upgrade procedure |
| 15:03.47 | wols_ | that#s the trouble with gcjwebplugin :( |
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| 15:03.58 | ktwilight__ | doh! |
| 15:03.58 | enzo_5 | too late stew |
| 15:04.05 | stew | enzo_5: no it isn't |
| 15:04.06 | ktwilight__ | ok, let's try other ways :) |
| 15:05.23 | enzo_5 | i've done a dist-upgrade on another server from sarge to etch and it was ok stew |
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| 15:06.15 | wols_ | enzo_5: no guarantee it'S ok this time |
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| 15:07.04 | enzo_5 | i've crashed my konsole while i was doing my dist-upgrade, how can i contiune the process ? |
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| 15:07.24 | enzo_5 | i prefer to follow this way, my server is broken, it can't wait |
| 15:07.25 | wols_ | read the factoid stew gave you and do that |
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| 15:07.49 | DexterF | hi |
| 15:08.01 | enzo_5 | the fact is i've no time to read such a big amount of data, apache is broken, very important to run always |
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| 15:09.48 | enzo_5 | if i run dpkg --configure -a, it will continue the dist-upgrade process ? |
| 15:09.59 | eps | enzo_5, maybe you would prefer to pay for support? that way you would have a SLA and you would get what you want |
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| 15:10.15 | thyko | will a crontab entry of 1 1 1 * * /bin/command run command only on the first day of the month? Im worried about the wekkday part having a * |
| 15:10.26 | enzo_5 | please eps, i need help |
| 15:10.52 | enzo_5 | i just need how to continue a dist-upgrade that has crashed |
| 15:11.48 | defrysk | enzo_5, ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 15:11.55 | defrysk | and continue from there |
| 15:12.07 | defrysk | you probable restarted the gdm service |
| 15:12.10 | enzo_5 | please defrysk... |
| 15:13.00 | defrysk | and do a apt-get -f install |
| 15:13.13 | eps | enzo_5, in future use screen when updating remote servers so that this doesn't happen |
| 15:13.31 | defrysk | oh its a server... |
| 15:13.33 | defrysk | sorry |
| 15:13.51 | jelly | enzo_5: please stop with unuseful messages, whining won't help. "dpkg --configure -a" will clean up pending package configuration. "aptitude -f install" or "apt-get -f install" will clean up pending apt actions. then you ought to be able to run a dist-upgrade again. |
| 15:13.52 | enzo_5 | yes eps, for next time, i'll know ! (i've upgraded 2 servers before to entertain myself, and i'm upgrading my big server, and blam.. i hate murphy) |
| 15:13.58 | eps | enzo_5, [01:03] <stew> enzo_5: you shoudln't be using apt-get for that, "/msg dpkg sarge->etch" for the recommended upgrade procedure |
| 15:14.20 | eps | follow that guide |
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| 15:15.23 | jelly | enzo_5: if you need support RIGHT NOW, I'm sure someone here can offer support with reasonable prices. I'd give you 50 EUR/hr (if I had a way to collect ;-) |
| 15:15.52 | eps | yeah I'll do it for $60AUD and I have paypal |
| 15:16.10 | eps | but to be honest I will just be following /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 15:17.03 | jelly | you're probably more able to deal with needless package breakage caused by his dist-upgrade anyway |
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| 15:17.38 | jelly | we have a script that upgrades some crucial packages first; our local packages next; and then does a dist-upgrade |
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| 15:20.04 | eps | I've never used a dist-upgrade before :P |
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| 15:21.59 | jelly | oook then. :-) |
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| 15:23.13 | phlux | 'lo jelly |
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| 15:23.20 | jelly | 'lo me |
| 15:23.56 | jelly | !greet phlux |
| 15:23.56 | dpkg | Tag, phlux |
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| 15:26.07 | polter | anyone in here got intel 945 express graphics that can tell me which driver to use? |
| 15:26.31 | jelly | polter: which debian release? |
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| 15:26.40 | polter | jelly, Etch |
| 15:26.47 | jelly | polter: i810 doesn't work? |
| 15:26.51 | polter | nope |
| 15:27.09 | polter | in Fedora it set it to "intel" which worked. but that doesn't work on Debian |
| 15:27.19 | jelly | polter: install xserver-xorg-video-intel and try intel then. |
| 15:27.24 | polter | I did |
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| 15:27.26 | polter | no work |
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| 15:27.38 | jelly | how did it fail to work? |
| 15:27.46 | polter | no X basically |
| 15:27.47 | stew | polter: is xserver-xorg-video-intel installed? |
| 15:27.51 | polter | yes |
| 15:28.16 | jelly | polter: can you provide your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log when trying to start X with "intel" driver? |
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| 15:28.46 | phlux | so now that I have the fglrx driver installed, do I need to edit xorg.conf, or will Debian do that on its own? |
| 15:28.50 | polter | I tried running 915resolution, and it says it can't pinpoint which chipset's in my lappy |
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| 15:29.53 | polter | jelly, does that get put into /var/log ? |
| 15:30.36 | jelly | polter: the paths I wrote are correct |
| 15:30.58 | keith4 | does virtualbox use any standard disk image format? |
| 15:31.12 | jelly | polter: please upload or pastebin those files |
| 15:31.21 | polter | jelly, oh sorry.. I got a bit confused |
| 15:31.31 | jelly | polter: (then paste the urls here) |
| 15:31.31 | polter | I'll try restarting X and then I'll be back |
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| 15:35.13 | tuvwx | why are backports versions way older than testing? where can i find more recent backports? |
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| 15:36.04 | jelly | tuvwx: you could create them yourself, /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 15:36.34 | stew | tuvwx: some backports versions are older than testing becuase they haven't recently been backported. you can request that a newer backport be uploaded on the backports.org mailing list |
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| 15:39.44 | polter | jelly, the log http://pastebin.com/m7910e242 |
| 15:40.24 | polter | and xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/mf636274 |
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| 15:45.43 | DexterF | I need some pointers installing latest nvidia drivers. yes, I read the topic. #nvidia is highly unhelpful. pointers appreciated. |
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| 15:46.12 | zinx | !tell DexterF about nvidia one-liner |
| 15:46.19 | jelly | polter: hmph, looks like a genuine bug; possibly have to wait for lenny. Maybe the folks in #debian-x on irc.debian.org could help. |
| 15:46.55 | daydalu | !tell daydalu about nvidia one-liner |
| 15:46.55 | DexterF | zinx: that tells me about how to inst debian's packages. I'd like to go for the latest drivers from nvidia rather. |
| 15:46.57 | polter | jelly, it's a brand new laptop so I haven't got any data to loose.. maybe just try dist-upgrading straight away? |
| 15:47.01 | stew | polter: i'd recommend trying with a newer kernel. the last person i recall having your same exact problem was able to use the intel driver once he upgraded to a newer kernel |
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| 15:47.07 | zinx | DexterF: we can't support that here |
| 15:47.14 | zinx | DexterF: also, that's a great way to screw up your system |
| 15:47.25 | polter | stew, yeah that's probably the best way to go |
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| 15:48.06 | zinx | DexterF: not sure what version the other debian versions have, but unstable has 173.14.09 |
| 15:48.06 | stew | polter: there is a 2.6.24 kernel in etch, and a 2.6.25 kernel in backports (/msg dpkg bpo) |
| 15:48.07 | DexterF | zinx: that should be "we don't want to support that here". |
| 15:48.08 | mimcpher | Whoever maintains the nvidia packages usuallly has very up-to-date ones on his website |
| 15:48.17 | zinx | DexterF: no, it's we can't support that here. |
| 15:48.30 | DexterF | zinx: stable has 1.0-wxyz |
| 15:48.36 | jelly | polter: apt-cache search linux-image 2.6.24 |
| 15:48.57 | DexterF | I somehow see a difference between 1.0 and 173.14. |
| 15:49.10 | DexterF | zinx: how is it you *cannot* support it? |
| 15:49.22 | zinx | DexterF: it is not Debian, and this is the Debian support channel. |
| 15:50.09 | polter | also. can I use grub for XFS root? |
| 15:50.34 | DexterF | zinx: well, one can install it on debian so I thought people on #debian can tell me how to install something on debian |
| 15:50.39 | zinx | DexterF: we don't know what all you're going to mess up by manually installing a very invasive driver without Debian's packaging around it |
| 15:50.47 | zinx | DexterF: therefore, we can't support it |
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| 15:51.08 | zinx | DexterF: it's packaged for a reason :/ |
| 15:51.18 | neonlightning | how hard is it and how bad of an idea is it to install grub2? |
| 15:51.23 | zinx | DexterF: in the case of nVidia's drivers, it's a bigger reason than normal |
| 15:51.44 | DexterF | so the nvidia installer cant create debs like the ati installer? I was told a lot that installing ati drivers was bitchy and how nvidia was a breeze. I'm puzzled. |
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| 15:52.19 | zinx | DexterF: i don't believe nVidia's installer can do that |
| 15:52.26 | DexterF | dang |
| 15:52.27 | E-bola | What is this command?? m-a a-i |
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| 15:53.06 | zinx | E-bola: "m-a" with the parameter "a-i", the expanded version (which also works): module-assistant auto-install |
| 15:53.21 | E-bola | ohhh |
| 15:53.27 | E-bola | never knew there was a shortening for it |
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| 15:54.51 | RobertSpencer | Hi guys, how can I boot up into a hi-res CLI environment like Knoppix does? I'm using a laptop and am the only user. |
| 15:55.08 | smhar_ | greetings |
| 15:55.14 | abrotman | RobertSpencer: did you install X yet? |
| 15:55.16 | neonlightning | RobertSpencer, add vga=791 to your grub |
| 15:55.27 | abrotman | doh .. nevermind |
| 15:56.14 | Orion_X11 | How do I configure gkdesklet weather? Do I have to get a code? But, where? |
| 15:56.49 | Orion_X11 | Sorry for the question. Not a really debian one, but I need help here |
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| 15:57.21 | smhar_ | I have both gcc 4.1.x and 4.3.x installed. I am trying to install vmware, but it complains that my kernel was build using the 4.1 gcc while I am using the 4.3. how to tell the system to temporary use the 4.1 complier? |
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| 15:57.45 | jelly | Orion_X11: is there no way to look up the code using a City, Country syntax? |
| 15:58.01 | ma3x | if i want bitrate of 9800, is it logical to set vrc_maxrate=9800:vbitrate=9800 |
| 15:58.13 | mimcpher | Orion_X11, it possibly needs something like a Weather.com city code, which you can get by looking it up on their website |
| 15:58.38 | Orion_X11 | mimcpher: jelly I will see |
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| 15:58.54 | peterrooney | RobertSpencer: see also http://www.flexion.org/site/index.php?gadget=StaticPage&action=Page&id=31 for other VESA modes. |
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| 16:00.01 | jelly | Orion_X11: www.theweathernetwork.com/ will work. Eg searching for "New York" gives you an url ending in .../usny0996; USNY0996 ought to work |
| 16:01.06 | martianlobster | dpkg -S nslookup; gives me nothing. apt-cache search nslookup; returns host, which does not contain nslookup. How can I find what package contains nslookup? |
| 16:01.06 | dpkg | There is no record of a nslookup; gives me nothing. apt-cache search nslookup; returns host, which does not contain nslookup. How can I find what package contains nslookup package |
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| 16:02.06 | beardy | martianlobster: Use dig. |
| 16:02.09 | Orion_X11 | jelly thx |
| 16:02.19 | Orion_X11 | Will see |
| 16:02.22 | stew | martianlobster: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 16:02.31 | jelly | Orion_X11: (that's how xfce's applet works, but you can also look up the code by the city name in it) |
| 16:02.42 | martianlobster | beardy: ok thanks, stew ok I will try that |
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| 16:02.56 | jelly | Orion_X11: eg. I'm in HRXX0005 |
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| 16:04.25 | webPragmatist | normally when you mount like a NAS do you put the link to it in /mnt ? |
| 16:04.39 | smhar_ | I have both gcc 4.1.x and 4.3.x installed. I am trying to install vmware, but it complains that my kernel was build using the 4.1 gcc while I am using the 4.3. how to tell the system to temporary use the 4.1 complier? |
| 16:05.15 | enzo_5 | when i launch aptitude, i can some the letter 'u' in front of some packages, what does it mean ? |
| 16:05.15 | beardy | martianlobster: It's in "dnsutils". |
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| 16:05.34 | EugenMayer | what could be missing, if i cant fakeroot / make-dpkg clean ? |
| 16:05.45 | EugenMayer | (iam trying to build an upstream kernel) |
| 16:06.03 | nios | help plz! I get error in the start up with my dhcp3-server. But when i start it later it works. |
| 16:06.05 | EugenMayer | *solved* |
| 16:06.42 | RobertSpencer | Thanks neonlightning & peterrooney. Much appreciated. |
| 16:06.43 | nios | in rc.local I had /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start |
| 16:06.50 | neonlightning | RobertSpencer, np |
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| 16:08.53 | EugenMayer | thunder |
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| 16:09.34 | DexterF | is 2.6.25-2-686 a Xen kernel? |
| 16:10.00 | stew | DexterF: a domU kernel but not a dom0 kernel |
| 16:11.41 | DexterF | stew: doesn't mean anything to me. the nvidia installer just told me "you got a Xen kernel, can't run on that" and died screaming. |
| 16:12.33 | stew | DexterF: yes, it is a xen kernel |
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| 16:14.17 | LemensTS | how do i route all 10.0.255.255 traffic out eth2 on my box, it has multiple nics. Not sure what iptables line i need |
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| 16:15.24 | Kumool | is there a way to use accents? like '+o or '+a? |
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| 16:16.03 | tuvwx | jelly, been following dpkg's ssb factoid. apt-get build-dep rdiff-backup -> E: Build-Depends dependency for rdiff-backup cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements |
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| 16:17.17 | jelly | tuvwx: right. at this point, you can either go and backport the newer versions of the dependencies as well, or you can try using the versions already available in etch |
| 16:17.56 | jelly | tuvwx: look at the .dsc file and install them manually |
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| 16:19.01 | phlux | is not sure why people use Firefox over Epiphany |
| 16:19.12 | jelly | over what? |
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| 16:19.21 | rgsteele||work | I'm building some PHP packages with dh-make-pecl, but I have a (hopefully) basic question. Do I need to manually specify the dependencies as shown here: http://www.jejik.com/articles/2008/07/howto_build_and_install_the_intl_pecl_extension_for_php5_in_debian/ Or, will dpkg-buildpackage figure it out, as shown here: http://www.splitbrain.org/blog/2008-02/21-understanding_php_code_better_with_xde |
| 16:19.23 | rgsteele||work | bug |
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| 16:19.38 | rgsteele||work | Er, that last link should have been http://www.splitbrain.org/blog/2008-02/21-understanding_php_code_better_with_xdebug |
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| 16:19.57 | tuvwx | jelly, is there a command that lists build-dep's like 'apt-cache depends' does for binary dep's? |
| 16:20.03 | elysium-os | Hello, I have an issue with understanding the "load" of the machine, so far I had the feeling that a load of 1 per CPU core equals that CPU core being 100% busy. So a load of 16 on a machine with 8 CPU cores would make it slow, am I correct? |
| 16:20.20 | phlux | jelly, gnome's browser |
| 16:20.21 | stew | tuvwx: apt-cache showsrc packagename |
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| 16:20.48 | stew | elysium-os: not necessarily, since processes in the D state will contribute to load |
| 16:20.52 | rgsteele||work | elysium-os: I think the 'load' is basically the number of seconds jobs wait in the queue to be processed. |
| 16:20.54 | jelly | phlux: no, that was the answer to your question. |
| 16:21.00 | stew | rgsteele||work: not at all |
| 16:21.03 | phlux | lol |
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| 16:21.19 | stew | elysium-os: other than processes in the D state, you are correct, though |
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| 16:22.23 | rgsteele||work | stew: I stand corrected. |
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| 16:22.44 | elysium-os | Ok, I have a machine with 6800+ processes, 8 CPU's and a load of 1003! still the overall response of the machine is lighting fast. |
| 16:22.53 | dFence | hey.. i need to create a 128k file only containing '\xcc'... what would be the easiest way to pull that off? |
| 16:23.09 | DexterF | stew: and.. are *all* recent debian kernels xen? |
| 16:23.37 | webPragmatist | how do you only accept source from one ip |
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| 16:23.50 | webPragmatist | I have -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp -j ACCEPT -s 10.0.151.156 but I think it needs like a subnet |
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| 16:24.15 | stefanme | http://www.mein-nacktes-privatvideo.net?id=4763188 |
| 16:24.39 | rgsteele||work | Er, is my question better directed at #debian-devel ? |
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| 16:25.56 | Abron_Gru | is back (gone 18:01:01) |
| 16:26.20 | E-bola | Is there a date for when lenny goes stable? |
| 16:26.21 | abrotman | !tell Abron_Gru about away |
| 16:26.29 | abrotman | !tell E-bola about wwlr |
| 16:26.39 | stefanme | http://www.mein-nacktes-privatvideo.net?id=4763188 |
| 16:26.55 | E-bola | I finally had to upgrade some etch boxes cuz asterisk wasnt being backported |
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| 16:27.06 | E-bola | hope it runs stable with not too many updates :) |
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| 16:28.11 | \amethyst | E-bola: it's supposed to be within a month or so; it's already in freeze. Make sure your sources.list says 'lenny' and not 'testing', so you won't get breakage once lenny releases |
| 16:28.22 | Abron_Gru | abrotman: done |
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| 16:28.55 | E-bola | amethyst: ya thanks, i learned that leason when upgrading from woody hehe |
| 16:29.33 | LemensTS | "ip route show" says ip:command not found, what package is this that i need |
| 16:29.35 | abrotman | Abron_Gru: thatnk you |
| 16:29.51 | E-bola | crosses fingers that its as simple as changing sources, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 16:31.33 | phlux | anyone know how to upgrade gtk? |
| 16:31.40 | abrotman | for FF3 ? |
| 16:31.45 | phlux | yes |
| 16:31.50 | abrotman | you don't want to |
| 16:32.07 | phlux | Why? |
| 16:32.17 | elysium-os | How much load would a process in D state generate? |
| 16:32.34 | abrotman | phlux: tha'ts a fairly core library .. who knows what it would break |
| 16:32.45 | phlux | I see. |
| 16:33.02 | elysium-os | Also, if other commands are piped from those commands, would they also go into D state? |
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| 16:37.18 | rgsteele||work | Also, when building the packages, are messages like "dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends}" anything to worry about? It's from the debian/control file, and it seems like it wants a substvars file, but I'm not really sure what else it is beyond that. |
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| 16:38.16 | n-iCe_ | is there any apache channel? |
| 16:38.27 | beardy | n-iCe_: Tried #apache ? |
| 16:38.37 | n-iCe_ | yeah, got it |
| 16:38.40 | n-iCe_ | thanks |
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| 16:39.07 | SpeedyG | hm, what was the command to save all alsamixer settings? |
| 16:39.54 | cahoot | alsactl store |
| 16:40.01 | SpeedyG | ah yes, thanks :) |
| 16:40.06 | cahoot | but shouldn't be needed |
| 16:40.24 | cahoot | debian alsa setup takes care of that |
| 16:40.27 | SpeedyG | nah, I know.. but I wanna be sure not having to google the settings for my nforce chipset again |
| 16:40.57 | SpeedyG | that IEC958 audio configuration stuff is kinda tricky |
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| 16:43.44 | kenjy | hi |
| 16:44.00 | SpeedyG | hi |
| 16:44.08 | kenjy | how can I guess the encode of a file? if I use the file command it shows ascii but I don't think it is on ascii |
| 16:44.19 | kenjy | iconv and convmv don't fix the file |
| 16:44.34 | kenjy | is there a way to know if the file its encoded in ISO or something? |
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| 16:50.02 | cahoot | kenjy: alread tried 'file'? |
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| 16:50.35 | alberto | hi |
| 16:50.40 | kenjy | cahoot: as I said file returned mi ascii: logs.sql: ASCII English text, with very long lines |
| 16:51.28 | kenjy | cahoot: I think that it is utf-8 but I lost some characters for example: demás this means demás |
| 16:51.35 | alberto | what can I do to know where my system fails with the sound? I cant do my sound output work, only the laptop sound works |
| 16:51.55 | alberto | It worked till I install ubuntu and reinstalled debian again |
| 16:52.28 | kenjy | cahoot: I wanna recover my characters :( is there a way to fix a utf-8 encoding issue? |
| 16:52.31 | cahoot | what's laptop sound as opposed to output? |
| 16:52.47 | alberto | i mean laptop sound, and the output with jack |
| 16:52.56 | alberto | output doesnt work |
| 16:53.12 | cahoot | nothing to toggle in alsamixer? |
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| 16:53.24 | alberto | mmm |
| 16:53.27 | cahoot | for headset or such? |
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| 16:56.28 | braunkraut | I'm curious, is Iceweasel not using gethostbyname() ? |
| 16:56.29 | alberto | now |
| 16:56.29 | alberto | :D |
| 16:57.05 | unop | kenjy, have you tried converting it from iso8859-15 to ut8? |
| 16:57.29 | kenjy | unop: I don't think that it is in iso but thats why I need a way to guess |
| 16:57.37 | kenjy | unop: how can I try to convert it from iso to utf? |
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| 16:57.44 | kenjy | unop: with iconv? |
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| 16:58.34 | unop | kenjy, yea |
| 16:58.55 | kenjy | unop: worst, it shows for example: impresiÃÂón instead of impresión :( |
| 16:59.11 | kenjy | unop: any idea? xD |
| 16:59.19 | unop | kenjy, hmm, try the other way around perhaps? |
| 16:59.31 | kenjy | unop: what that means? |
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| 16:59.45 | unop | utf-8 to iso8859-15 |
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| 17:03.53 | stew | kenjy: that looks like it has been converted from iso_something to utf-8 multiple times |
| 17:04.09 | esaym | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.15 | stew | esaym: wodim |
| 17:04.18 | kenjy | stew is there a easy way to recover ir? |
| 17:04.32 | stew | convert it back multiple times |
| 17:05.13 | esaym | stew: thank you. Jesus loves you |
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| 17:05.42 | thrope | hi - if I am building a package and I've added a big directory with many files... I would like to avoid having to fill out package.install entry for every file, but if I put the whole directory in package.install then all the .svn dirs also get included in the built package |
| 17:05.49 | thrope | how do people usually do this? |
| 17:06.12 | EE_BB | hii all which firewall do you advise to me that works on debian ? |
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| 17:06.52 | ZOP | thrope: just have your make install install it into DESTDIR. |
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| 17:07.19 | ZOP | thrope: i don't generally use blah.install files, even for multi packages |
| 17:07.26 | thrope | ZOP: um- I'm not sure what you mean... I'm using debhelper so I usually just list the files in the package.install |
| 17:07.26 | thrope | ah |
| 17:07.45 | ZOP | i do a normal build process install to destdir, then move to seperate trees and build the resulting debs from those trees normally. |
| 17:08.10 | ZOP | i've never seen a reason to manually list any files anywhere. |
| 17:08.21 | thrope | thing is it doesn't need building because its just cgi scripts - and the package lives in svn until its built so we have version control |
| 17:08.35 | thrope | the thing is I'm building from a tree that includes .svn dirs |
| 17:08.45 | ezguy | is there a virtualbox package available for 4.0? |
| 17:09.56 | ZOP | i always have a make install target so i don't ahve to manually maintain .install files. |
| 17:10.07 | ZOP | the other thing you could do |
| 17:10.09 | ZOP | is use find |
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| 17:10.19 | ZOP | find -type f or similar |
| 17:10.21 | ZOP | to generate the list |
| 17:11.02 | sioraiocht | I just swapped out my incompatible minipci wireless card for an Intel PRO 3945 |
| 17:11.15 | sioraiocht | it shows up in my dmesg correctly, and the driver loads |
| 17:11.42 | sioraiocht | but when I run ifconfig wlan0 up I get the error "SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory" |
| 17:12.22 | ZOP | ifconfig -a, find out what it's named |
| 17:12.40 | ZOP | idk the convention in Linux for wifi devices, i've never used wireless in linux heh |
| 17:12.49 | ZOP | (-a lists down devices as well as up ones) |
| 17:12.52 | cahoot | sioraiocht: no complaints about firmware in dmesg? |
| 17:13.06 | sioraiocht | ZOP: it's wlan0 |
| 17:13.10 | sioraiocht | cahoot: nope |
| 17:13.25 | sioraiocht | cahoot: wait |
| 17:13.25 | sioraiocht | yes |
| 17:13.39 | cahoot | ? |
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| 17:14.00 | sioraiocht | it says iwlwifi-39450-1.ucode firmware file req failed: Reason -2 |
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| 17:14.24 | cahoot | problem solved |
| 17:14.32 | sioraiocht | umm, how do I fix that |
| 17:15.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ezguy, "apt-cache search virtualbox" on your box and "/msg dpkg search" in here |
| 17:15.24 | cahoot | install firmware-iwlwifi (I believe that's the debian name) |
| 17:15.34 | sioraiocht | cheers |
| 17:15.46 | thrope | ZOP: thanks - in the end a bit of documentation reading found a --exclude=".svn" option to dh_install which seems to do the trick |
| 17:16.17 | ezguy | none |
| 17:16.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, our daily spam give us today |
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| 17:17.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ezguy, but it's in testing/unstable |
| 17:18.04 | ezguy | got the repos for it? |
| 17:18.19 | stew | thrope: the .svn directories probably shouldn't be in the .orig.tar.gz in the first place. if you are the one creating the .orig.tar.gz from a svn checkout, you should create it with svn export |
| 17:18.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | !find virtualbox |
| 17:18.27 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'virtualbox' (10 of 17): virtualbox-ose ;; virtualbox-ose-dbg ;; virtualbox-ose-guest-source ;; virtualbox-ose-guest-utils ;; virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-486 ;; virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-686 ;; virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-686-bigmem ;; virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-amd64 ;; virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-openvz-686 ;; virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-xen-686. |
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| 17:18.39 | CoolCold | did anyone used nfs4 ? |
| 17:18.41 | thrope | stew: they're not - we keep our packages in svn |
| 17:18.56 | thrope | so when it comes from when I added to the tree to our svn |
| 17:19.07 | stew | thrope: have a look at svn-buildpackage |
| 17:19.34 | sioraiocht | hrm, that package doesn't show up in my mirror |
| 17:19.37 | thrope | stew: yep - thats what we normally use when we're doing a released version as it tags nicely but I've been using debuild just for testing |
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| 17:20.02 | thrope | stew: but maybe I should use that anyway, just without svn-tag option... quite new to this and just going by what i was shown really |
| 17:21.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | would "now" be a good time to switch to etch? |
| 17:21.49 | Seb | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean lenny ? |
| 17:21.57 | ezguy | CuteMeOwnThroat: do know what is the testing/unstable source list? |
| 17:22.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, yes Seb, I do :) |
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| 17:22.07 | teratoma | now would be an awesome time to switch to etch! |
| 17:22.10 | ezguy | is 4.0 etch? |
| 17:22.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonder what Freud would have to say about that :) |
| 17:22.20 | Seb | heh |
| 17:22.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | lenny, lenny, lenny! |
| 17:22.46 | stew | thrope: yeah, just build it with svn-buildpackage, then when it has been built they way you want, and you want to tag, run "svn-buildpackage --svn-tag-only" |
| 17:23.04 | Seb | CutMeOwnThroat: for a server machine, I'd wait till it's officially stable; for a desktop one, if you're comfortable resolving potential apt conflicts/missing dependencies, you should also be fine |
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| 17:24.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Seb just trying to put it off - 1500 packages to upgrade... just thinking of all the things that will break makes me itch - specially since I know upgrading kernel will need some additional hands-on stuff (nvidia card and software raid) |
| 17:25.35 | s3a | ezguy: 4.0 is etch |
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| 17:25.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ezguy, just copy your stable entry in sources.list and replace "stable" or "etch" in it with "testing" or "unstable" - if you are using stable/etch right now you probably want to use backports |
| 17:26.29 | ezguy | i see, thanks |
| 17:26.46 | s3a | ezguy: u want to upgrade ur system to lenny testing? |
| 17:26.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell ezguy about simple sid backport |
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| 17:27.19 | xand | using Xnest under fluxbox on lenny... if I change to a different desktop, Xnest is killed :| |
| 17:27.23 | ezguy | s3a: how? would you recommend it? |
| 17:27.41 | s3a | ezguy: what are u trying to achieve? |
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| 17:28.28 | ezguy | it my desktop and sometime i want to be able to install other packages like virtualbox |
| 17:29.14 | ezguy | which happen to be in unstable and testing stage, i guess |
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| 17:29.22 | xand | the virtualbox from sun's website works better than the one in debian |
| 17:29.56 | ezguy | can it be easly in stall on deb4.0 |
| 17:30.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | xand, in how far? |
| 17:30.21 | xand | in how far? eh? |
| 17:30.45 | s3a | ezguy: well lenny testing is under a freeze meaning it will soon be classified stable, so it should be stable enuf at this point to upgrade but if virtualbox is all u want then u can use it in etch with backports like CutMeOwnThroat i think said |
| 17:30.52 | s3a | ezguy: do u no how to use backports? |
| 17:31.10 | abrotman | !tell s3a about u |
| 17:31.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | xand, well yes... what's working "better"? I've never used either |
| 17:31.32 | xand | well, it actually works |
| 17:31.45 | xand | rather than giving you some things to compile which don't compile |
| 17:31.50 | xand | the non-OSE one Just Works |
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| 17:34.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | xand, then that package should be removed? |
| 17:34.24 | xand | CutMeOwnThroat: probably should be fixed |
| 17:34.31 | xand | maybe it is now, haven't tried it recently |
| 17:35.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | there seems little point to have packages that do nothing but create frustration |
| 17:35.21 | ezguy | s3a: no |
| 17:35.52 | s3a | ezguy: go to www.backports.org first |
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| 17:36.41 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: fyi .. you should probably point them towards 'lenny' if they really don't know what they're doing (instead of testing/unstable) |
| 17:37.05 | s3a | ezguy: ill tell u wat the site says |
| 17:37.18 | s3a | ezguy: open a terminal |
| 17:37.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, maybe |
| 17:37.25 | abrotman | s3a: let him read it himself |
| 17:37.50 | E-bola | Hi all, i got a problem getting the ztdummy module loaded |
| 17:38.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | he has to do that anyways - only on the website there'll be probably less "u", "enuf" and "wat"s |
| 17:38.11 | s3a | abrotman: k ezguy: if u dont understand sumtin u can ask me |
| 17:38.23 | E-bola | I have the zaptel-modules-2.6.18-6-686 package installed and i can see the file /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/misc/ztdummy.ko is present. But when i do modprobe ztdummy i get: FATAL: Module ztdummy not found |
| 17:38.24 | abrotman | s3a: english |
| 17:38.33 | abrotman | E-bola: depmod -a ? |
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| 17:39.27 | E-bola | abrotman: that doesnt return anything... |
| 17:39.41 | abrotman | it's not supposed to |
| 17:39.58 | E-bola | after running it, i still cant load the module though, same error |
| 17:40.12 | stew | E-bola: what does "uname -r" return? |
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| 17:40.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | E-bola, generally a program that returns nothing worked, so that's good :) |
| 17:40.32 | E-bola | ohhh |
| 17:40.39 | E-bola | wtf, i was on a completely different kernel |
| 17:40.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 17:40.46 | E-bola | Seems im on 2.6.25-2-686 |
| 17:41.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, often, questions are better than answers :) |
| 17:41.07 | E-bola | I just upgraded to lenny, so i forgot the distupgrade also upgraded the kernel |
| 17:41.11 | polter | I need some help getting ndiswrapper up and running |
| 17:41.32 | E-bola | hmmm but howcome there isnt a zaptel-modules package for my current kernel? |
| 17:41.41 | E-bola | ohhh i bet i build it myself earlier |
| 17:42.01 | abrotman | E-bola: zaptel didn't get in the main tree yet? |
| 17:42.22 | E-bola | abrtoman: but its in etch? |
| 17:42.33 | abrotman | your kernel isn't in etch |
| 17:42.50 | abrotman | maybe at backports.org |
| 17:42.50 | jelly | E-bola: use m-a to build the modules |
| 17:42.53 | ZOP | yeah 2.6.25-2-686 might be etchnhalf? |
| 17:42.57 | abrotman | no |
| 17:42.59 | jelly | ZOP: it might not |
| 17:43.12 | ZOP | i'm not running etchnhalf anywhere heh. |
| 17:43.14 | E-bola | ile try to build it i guess |
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| 17:43.25 | abrotman | E-bola: m-a a-i zaptel |
| 17:43.37 | ZOP | so idk. but thats definitely NOT an etch kernel, so you're going to have to build it E-bola. |
| 17:43.46 | ZOP | apt-get install module-assistant |
| 17:43.54 | ZOP | m-a a-... abrotman beat me too that LOL |
| 17:44.02 | E-bola | nope, its a lenny kernel |
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| 17:44.25 | E-bola | Its first time im using lenny on any box hehe |
| 17:44.43 | jelly | wonders why people who dk feel compelled to answer with guesses even when those guesses can be easily verified |
| 17:45.10 | polter | when trying to get ndiswrapper build using module-assistant it complains about cflags being changed or something like that |
| 17:45.22 | polter | are there precompiled packages somewhere? |
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| 17:46.32 | E-bola | So after module ass. is done, do i put ztdummy in /etc/modules.conf to get it to autoload at boot? |
| 17:47.52 | jelly | E-bola: /etc/modules |
| 17:48.01 | s3a | does any1 happen to no of a website that has very good prices on ink cartridges? |
| 17:48.46 | defrysk | s3a, ot |
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| 17:48.53 | E-bola | s3a: http://www.inkclub.com/ maybe |
| 17:50.20 | Weems | Im having an error pasted here http://pastebin.ca/1178404 |
| 17:50.27 | E-bola | wee it worked |
| 17:50.35 | E-bola | lets see if asterisk can use the ztdummy module |
| 17:50.39 | s3a | E-bola: o thats a uk site im a canadian thx anyway |
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| 17:51.55 | E-bola | s3a: its international... |
| 17:52.08 | E-bola | but asking without stating where you are from is pretty stupid... Not to mention off topic :) |
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| 17:52.56 | s3a | E-bola: "We deliver at your doorstep. Rapid delivery within the UK whatever the size of the order. " and all the stuff are sold at UK's currency |
| 17:53.24 | jelly | Weems: you'll have to file a bug for that package, /msg dpkg bts, /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 17:53.30 | s3a | E-bola: lol ya it is off topic sry :( but i just dont no were to ask sry |
| 17:53.38 | Weems | k |
| 17:53.51 | E-bola | s3a: check the flags at the bottom... |
| 17:53.56 | Weems | Jelly: I just uninstalled it |
| 17:54.03 | Weems | it fixed, it was non essential for me |
| 17:54.09 | Weems | but others may need it |
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| 18:00.46 | martianlobster | I need to add the directory /usr/local/cvs-user/lib so that all users have access to the shared libraries in that directory. I tried adding LD_LIBRARY_PATH with this value intot /etc/profile, but the user apache, doesn't get the variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH. What else can I do? |
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| 18:05.51 | s3a | E-bola: lol my flag isnt there |
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| 18:08.39 | martianlobster | ok I just added my directory to /etc/ld.so.conf, how do I tell the system to reload that file? |
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| 18:09.17 | martianlobster | ldconfig? |
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| 18:11.54 | YeTr2 | Is there a press release somewhere explaining why emerald wasn't released with compiz stuffs? |
| 18:11.54 | zahna | how far do packages in stable and testing tend to lag behind current? |
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| 18:13.39 | stew | zahna: when debian release a version as stable, it desn't upgrade the versions except to fix security bugs until the next stable comes out, so that is anywhere from a few months to a few years. testing is changing constantly, and in general will have newer packages, but packages in testing can also be months or years old |
| 18:13.45 | morbyte | YeTr2: isnt emerald some kind of widget whereas compiz is a composite manager? |
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| 18:15.34 | Arrowmaster | testing doesnt seem to lag that far behind unless the maintainer has gone mia and its something very few people use afaik |
| 18:15.35 | zahna | stew: testing can really lag that far? |
| 18:15.52 | zahna | Arrowmaster: ah, ok |
| 18:15.53 | stew | zahna: it varies on a package by package basis |
| 18:15.58 | xingu | neat, nvidia-177.67 has msi support. :) |
| 18:16.12 | YeTr2 | morbyte: emerald is a window decorator, it actually uses the pretty things that compiz allows. |
| 18:16.13 | abrotman | neater would be free open drivers :) |
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| 18:16.26 | SpeedyG | msi sucks anyhow |
| 18:16.38 | xingu | pokes abrotman with an undefined pointer |
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| 18:16.52 | zahna | are there good docs on customizing my apt repos? |
| 18:16.57 | rgsteele||work | Hm... it seems the "dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends}" is a pretty common warning. But, I worry because it looks like the resulting packages don't have the proper dependencies. |
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| 18:17.05 | zahna | er customizing which apt repos i access? |
| 18:17.45 | rgsteele||work | I see that after building, there is a substvars file in the build root, which does have a dependency listed, but again the package does not reflect it. |
| 18:17.53 | Arrowmaster | zahna: man sources.list |
| 18:18.42 | stew | rgsteele||work: are you calling dh_shlibdeps? |
| 18:18.45 | stew | oh, i guess sho |
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| 18:19.56 | zahna | Arrowmaster: oh, i hadn't thought of that. thanks |
| 18:19.57 | rgsteele||work | stew: Yeah. It calls dh_shlibdeps, followed by dh_gencontrol |
| 18:20.06 | rgsteele||work | dh_gencontrol is what actually generates those errors. |
| 18:20.54 | Arrowmaster | zahna: personally i have APT::Default-Release "testing"; in my apt.conf and entries for both lenny and sid in my sources.list |
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| 18:22.01 | SpeedyG | hm, does kde have a graphical partition-editor/viewer? |
| 18:22.19 | rgsteele||work | stew: Last couple of lines of output of dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot is http://pastie.org/255824 |
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| 18:22.27 | vargadanis | hi there |
| 18:22.30 | kommodore | SppedyG: qtparted? |
| 18:22.40 | vargadanis | is there a relatively simple way to create deb packages? |
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| 18:23.15 | kommodore | vargadanis: dh_make or debuild? |
| 18:23.17 | OpenTokix | vargadanis: Depends on what you wanna do with the package. |
| 18:23.25 | vargadanis | install it afterwards |
| 18:23.32 | vargadanis | and if I don't like the result remove it :) |
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| 18:23.59 | Daemonik | Can active directory use openldap as a back-end? |
| 18:24.29 | stew | rgsteele||work: i dunno, unless you are doing something like calling shlibdeps with -pphp5-apc and you aren't calling gencontrol with -pphp5-apc |
| 18:24.40 | stew | rgsteele||work: you should probably ask in #debian-mentors in irc.debian.org |
| 18:24.45 | SpeedyG | and is it possible to, in a running debian system, remove the /home and /tmp partitions, and then recreate them? |
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| 18:26.15 | rgsteele||work | stew: It's automated. I'm using dh-make-pecl to prep the package for dpkg-buildpackage, then running dpkg-buildpackage right after. I assume dpkg-buildpackage is calling things it needs, when it needs them. Re: debian-mentos: Will do - thanks. |
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| 18:26.23 | rgsteele||work | s/mentos/mentors/ |
| 18:26.29 | vargadanis | kommodore: which one is simpler to use? |
| 18:26.33 | rgsteele||work | Although, Debian breathmints is a novel idea. |
| 18:26.44 | vargadanis | kommodore: let's say I have a maked source |
| 18:26.48 | zinx | rgsteele||work: quick, patent it |
| 18:27.00 | kommodore | have you got a debian subdir set up? |
| 18:27.03 | rgsteele||work | Nah, it's open source. |
| 18:27.23 | rgsteele||work | Anybody is free to modify the breathmint. |
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| 18:27.57 | kommodore | use dh_make to generate one if you don't have one |
| 18:28.04 | kommodore | then run debuild |
| 18:28.06 | Freddo_Frog | Hey all, i was wondering if it is possible to run debian in a chroot of gentoo? |
| 18:28.29 | abrotman | should be |
| 18:28.29 | kommodore | Freddo_Frog: chroot doesn't change the kernel |
| 18:28.55 | Freddo_Frog | kommodore, i dont need to run a debian kernel to run the packages do i? |
| 18:29.24 | kommodore | Freddo_Frog: no, but that doesn't count as "run debian" |
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| 18:29.37 | stew | rgsteele||work: check the bts for dh-make-pecl then |
| 18:30.05 | Freddo_Frog | kommodore, is it possible to run apache from chroot |
| 18:30.07 | kommodore | you can always uncompress the deb with ar, then tar -xf |
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| 18:30.54 | SpeedyG | Hi, would it be possible to, on a running system, unmount /home and /tmp, remove the partitions and then recreate them in different sizes? |
| 18:31.12 | DexterF | can one disable Xen from the kernel line or is it hardwired into the kernel once the config option is set? |
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| 18:31.51 | abrotman | DexterF: you mean xen support? is this about the nvidia drivers? |
| 18:31.52 | DexterF | SpeedyG: home if you're root.. tmp.. not sure. |
| 18:31.56 | DexterF | abrotman: yup |
| 18:32.07 | abrotman | DexterF: there's a CLI option to pass to the nvidia installer |
| 18:32.16 | DexterF | looks |
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| 18:32.45 | abrotman | export IGNORE_XEN_PRESENCE=true |
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| 18:32.54 | Freddo_Frog | kommodore, so if i want to run it in a chroot, i do not need the /boot partition |
| 18:33.13 | stew | Freddo_Frog: no, you don't need the /boot partition unless you were actually booting from it |
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| 18:33.20 | Freddo_Frog | yeah |
| 18:33.22 | stew | Freddo_Frog: there is a "debootstrap" script to help you setup the chroot |
| 18:33.29 | Freddo_Frog | from gentoo? |
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| 18:33.38 | DexterF | abrotman: wow, thanks |
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| 18:34.03 | stew | Freddo_Frog: its a script from debian, but it in portage or whatever |
| 18:34.12 | Freddo_Frog | ok cool |
| 18:34.35 | DexterF | abrotman: "ERROR: Unable to build the NVIDIA kernel module." :P |
| 18:34.54 | abrotman | DexterF: well .. that's all i know darn it! |
| 18:35.15 | abrotman | DexterF: i've just seen other mention that option to pass which is supposed to get it to ignore xen |
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| 18:36.01 | DexterF | abrotman: I should have gone with my masterplan to go intel with onboard video. well, this actually gets me past the xen warning but it throws tons of other errors. will see if the änvidia crowd can make sth out of this |
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| 18:36.19 | abrotman | DexterF: i'm going to give you a grand DUH! :) |
| 18:37.53 | ArthurArchnix | Hi... I was playing battle for wesnoth when my touchpad stopped working. I've rebooted, but it still doesn't work. Kinda sounds like a hardware failure right? |
| 18:38.00 | ArthurArchnix | Although... I am running Lenny. |
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| 18:39.06 | rgsteele||work | stew: It seems to work if I use dh-make-pecl and don't change the "Package: ..." line in debian/control. |
| 18:39.25 | rgsteele||work | I was hoping to customize the package name so I could differentiate it from the official package. |
| 18:39.43 | ArthurArchnix | I should clarify... I can still use it to move the mouse around... and I can right-click with it... but tapping doesn't work anymore |
| 18:39.54 | rgsteele||work | I thought (according to http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html), that the package name was arbitrary. |
| 18:40.30 | rgsteele||work | (Line 8) |
| 18:40.44 | abrotman | ArthurArchnix: have you been here before? |
| 18:40.50 | ArthurArchnix | :P |
| 18:40.52 | rgsteele||work | Ugh, stupid IRC client formatting - line 8 |
| 18:41.09 | abrotman | ArthurArchnix: /msg dpkg synaptics .. see if that helps |
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| 18:41.50 | ArthurArchnix | cheers |
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| 18:42.49 | ArthurArchnix | dpkg knew the commands to fix it. |
| 18:42.50 | dpkg | ArthurArchnix: I give up, what is it? |
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| 18:43.03 | ArthurArchnix | thanks |
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| 18:44.39 | abrotman | ArthurArchnix: couldn't you find a better game? :) |
| 18:45.09 | poonj | hey guys....I'm trying to install software that requires the OpenGL libraries. I have an nvidia video card and installed nvidia-glx on my machine. In the /usr/lib directory, I see libGL.so.1 libGLcore.so libraries |
| 18:45.40 | poonj | GLX is also working, according to glxinfo. Is there another set of libraries I need for compilation purposes that I'm missing? |
| 18:45.46 | Freddo_Frog | is it possible to share a /boot partition between gentoo and arch |
| 18:46.19 | stew | Freddo_Frog: ask #gentoo or #archlinux |
| 18:46.27 | Freddo_Frog | oops i meant debian |
| 18:46.40 | Freddo_Frog | gentoo and debian |
| 18:46.44 | ArthurArchnix | maybe... but this game runs really well on my computer. It's one of the few that I can turn the graphics all the way up. |
| 18:46.49 | stew | Freddo_Frog: i don't see why not |
| 18:46.55 | astraljava | poonj: If you're compiling against -glx, you probably need -glx-dev package, no? |
| 18:47.09 | Freddo_Frog | so i can boot debian from the gentoo kernel |
| 18:47.12 | poonj | does that come with the nvidia card? |
| 18:47.17 | poonj | nvidia-glx driver I mean |
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| 18:47.58 | astraljava | poonj: See what `apt-cache show nvidia-glx-dev` tells you. |
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| 18:48.54 | poonj | there is no dev package.. |
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| 18:49.10 | poonj | its a closed-source driver...I guess I have to find the MESA drivers/libraries |
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| 18:49.50 | PeterFA | I have a Slice host account which has a few interesting details: It's supposed to be Debian Etch but it's running the Ubuntu package kernel. Now to install OpenERP, I need Postgresql, but when I do install Postgresql it won't run and there's no /etc/postgresql/. |
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| 18:51.22 | stew | PeterFA: i'd reinstall all of the postgres packages with confmiss/msg dpkg confmiss |
| 18:51.27 | stew | PeterFA: i'd reinstall all of the postgres packages with confmiss: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 18:52.15 | astraljava | poonj: Oh alright, sorry but can't help you then. |
| 18:52.18 | grml | angasule ping |
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| 18:55.04 | PeterFA | stew, that didn't fix the problem. The document on debianhelp.org says that the installer should ask a few questions, it doesn't do it and Postgresql still won't start. |
| 18:55.23 | PeterFA | Also, how do I set the locale? |
| 18:56.04 | stew | PeterFA: do you have a /etc/postgresql directory now? |
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| 18:56.49 | stew | PeterFA: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:57.17 | PeterFA | stew, oh, I do now. |
| 18:57.41 | PeterFA | LOL, empty config file, but it's there. |
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| 18:58.16 | PeterFA | stew, I'm really worried as to how this server was set up. |
| 18:58.34 | stew | PeterFA: you likely need to run "dpkg-reconfigure $packagenam" where packagename is one of postgresql or postgresql-8.1 or postgresql-common or some such |
| 18:58.52 | PeterFA | stew, it's 7.4 |
| 18:58.59 | PeterFA | stew, this is etch. |
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| 18:59.23 | PeterFA | stew, and I've already done update and dist-upgrade |
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| 18:59.35 | stew | PeterFA: is there a reason you are using 7.4 instead of 8.1? |
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| 18:59.45 | PeterFA | stew, it's what Etch installs. |
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| 19:00.00 | stew | PeterFA: etch offers both 7.4 and 8.1 and 8.3 is in backports.org |
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| 19:00.21 | stew | !info postgresql-8.1 etch |
| 19:00.42 | dpkg | postgresql-8.1: (object-relational SQL database, version 8.1 server), section misc, is optional. Version: 8.1.11-0etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 4188 kB, Installed size: 10834 kB |
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| 19:01.07 | PeterFA | stew, ok, I'll add the backports repository. |
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| 19:02.42 | PeterFA | Do I just simply add backports as a keyword on the repository line or add a whole new line? |
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| 19:03.50 | stew | PeterFA: read the instructions page at backports.org |
| 19:04.00 | PeterFA | I just found it, thanks. |
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| 19:08.30 | PeterFA | Ugh! I don't get it, it's still installing 7.5! |
| 19:08.37 | PeterFA | Is it time to call the stupid slicehost tech line? |
| 19:09.18 | stew | was 7.5 ever in debian? |
| 19:09.23 | stew | PeterFA: what command is installing 7.5? |
| 19:09.52 | jvm | hi. i tried upgrading my server today, with the latest postfix etch packages. i got the following errors: http://rafb.net/p/KYv8Qx61.html - any hints greatly appreciated. |
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| 19:10.25 | PeterFA | stew, apt-get install postgresql |
| 19:10.36 | dondelelcaro | PeterFA: fix your sources.list? |
| 19:10.44 | PeterFA | I'll pastebin it. |
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| 19:11.05 | PeterFA | It's busy generating the locals I want. |
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| 19:11.10 | stew | PeterFA: the name of the postgresql 8.1 package is "postgresql-8.1" and the name of the postgres 8.3 pacakge is "postgresql-8.3" are you sure it was installing 7.5 and not 7.4? |
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| 19:11.38 | stew | jvm: what command did you run that produced those errors? |
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| 19:12.01 | jvm | stew, apt-get update, upgrade |
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| 19:12.26 | PeterFA | How much space does ALL locales generated take? |
| 19:13.05 | dondelelcaro | PeterFA: enough that you generally don't generate them; if you do, install locales-all |
| 19:13.08 | stew | jvm: actually, nevermind. the problem was that "/etc/init.d/postfix restart" failed. you could perhaps run "bash -x /etc/init.d/postfix restart" to see where/why it fails |
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| 19:13.43 | PeterFA | dondelelcaro, what if I find they take up too much space? What's the easiest way to remove them? |
| 19:13.55 | jvm | stew, apt-get tries with every command i run now to correct these installation errors, because it says "packages not fully installed". |
| 19:14.01 | dondelelcaro | PeterFA: build different locales; they should only be a few megabytes, though |
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| 19:14.08 | jvm | stew, so in fact i mind, even while it still works. |
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| 19:14.31 | stew | jvm: yes, you need to get it so that "/etc/init.d/postfix restart" works, then run "dpkg --configure postfix" or "dpkg --configure -a" |
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| 19:14.39 | PeterFA | I used to get that problem all the time when I ran Ubuntu, jvm. |
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| 19:15.12 | pgpkeys | isn't is apt-get --pending upgrade or somthing similar? |
| 19:15.20 | perfector | will increasing the kernel shared memory improve overall performance? |
| 19:15.21 | pgpkeys | not on a deb box to check myself |
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| 19:17.11 | jvm | stew, i am not sure why the init script does not work. i used simply "postfix start/stop" in the past, and never had a problem with the init script not working. http://rafb.net/p/xJXLDE21.html are the errors i get from the init script. |
| 19:17.17 | mohadib | how can i tell if a usb device is being used as usb2? |
| 19:17.30 | mohadib | im only getting about a 2 meg a second write to a usb drive |
| 19:17.39 | mohadib | any ideas why its so slow? |
| 19:18.16 | Ian_Daniher | mohadib: some usb drives are just naturally slower than others |
| 19:18.33 | Ian_Daniher | how would I remote-start an X program on another computer |
| 19:18.34 | rgsteele||work | stew: FYI, I needed to adjust the BIN_PACKAGE_NAME in the debian/rules file to match what was in the debian/control file. |
| 19:18.37 | Ian_Daniher | ? |
| 19:18.43 | rgsteele||work | After that, the package built like a charm. |
| 19:19.02 | Ian_Daniher | say I have a keyboardless and mouseless teleconference machine, which I want to start skype on |
| 19:19.11 | jvm | Ian_Daniher, if you have a ssh connection, just export DISPLAY=localhost:1 and run a command. |
| 19:19.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher, so that the gui is on your computer or on the remote one |
| 19:19.15 | jvm | (like xterm) |
| 19:19.29 | Ian_Daniher | jvm: CutMeOwnThroat: remote one |
| 19:19.35 | Ian_Daniher | I know about and have used ssh -X |
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| 19:19.44 | jvm | Ian_Daniher, but? |
| 19:19.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher, export DISPLAY=:0; then run the program |
| 19:20.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | normally |
| 19:20.14 | Ian_Daniher | but I want the program I'm launching to show up on the screen of the computer I'm sshing into |
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| 19:20.37 | htmlol | you could use vnc. |
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| 19:21.08 | jvm | Ian_Daniher, the vncserver package for debian includes even a java applet, you can remotely access your desktop with the browser of the other system then. |
| 19:21.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher, if you are unsure about the ":0" part, check in /proc/<pid of a running grapical application>/env for the value of DISPLAY and set it to the same one |
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| 19:22.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | jvm, how did you come up with ':1'? That's normally only used when you start up a 2nd X server on the same machine |
| 19:22.41 | jvm | CutMeOwnThroat, sorry. it is usually wrong. i am just used to it, because i usually want to start applications for my vnc server... |
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| 19:23.12 | pickcoder | SerajewelKS: I dunno about the apache question and I guess no one else does |
| 19:23.42 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: i think i got it... %{ENV:somecrap} |
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| 19:24.21 | pickcoder | did you set remoteuserattribute |
| 19:25.02 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: pardon? |
| 19:25.13 | ajs | Does anybody know why ipv6 might fail to work in QEMU/KVM if on the host I'm using a 6in4 sit0 device with a reachable anycast ipv6 address? |
| 19:25.32 | SerajewelKS | ajs: what network mode? |
| 19:25.34 | pickcoder | authldapremoteuserattribute <ldap id> |
| 19:25.35 | PeterFA | http://rafb.net/p/ob50kY22.html <-- something wrong with my sources.lst? |
| 19:25.45 | pickcoder | then there's authldapremoteuserisDN |
| 19:25.51 | pickcoder | on/off |
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| 19:25.58 | pickcoder | if you want DN to be in remote_user |
| 19:26.10 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: problem is that we need to access that from php scripts |
| 19:26.17 | PeterFA | Maybe there are all these packages being held back. |
| 19:26.25 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: php gives us PHP_AUTH_USER which is what the user entered |
| 19:26.31 | pickcoder | SerajewelKS: so setenv |
| 19:26.35 | pickcoder | actually |
| 19:26.39 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: yes, apparently ldap does that |
| 19:26.40 | PeterFA | And I think it is Postgresql 7.4 not 7.5. I remember looking up the 7.5 documentation because I didn't find the 7.4 stuff. |
| 19:26.44 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: the ldap mod i mean |
| 19:26.47 | pickcoder | through CGI remote_user is available |
| 19:26.56 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: yes, but it's set to the DN |
| 19:27.03 | pickcoder | if you use authldapremoteuserattribute <LDAP field ID> |
| 19:27.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, not obviously so |
| 19:27.14 | pickcoder | it becomes the results from the ldap query <field id> |
| 19:27.24 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: the ldap mod seems to stuff the user-entered text into %{ENV:AUTHENTICATE_SAMACCOUNTNAME} |
| 19:27.24 | ajs | SerajewelKS, bridge of eth0 and tapX..Y with ipv4 addr, no ipv6 addr. |
| 19:27.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, as you ask, there probably is some problem? |
| 19:27.40 | SerajewelKS | ajs: do you have an ipv6 subnet registered to you? |
| 19:27.55 | SerajewelKS | ajs: and are you running radvd or have a static address assigned in the VM? |
| 19:28.19 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, earlier I asked about this issue where postgresql simply wouldn't work. I tried to add the backports and update and dist-upgrade didn't install anything new. |
| 19:28.23 | Freddo_Frog | i run debootstrap and it says I: Retrieving Release' then E: |
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| 19:28.34 | xingu | ajs: I've come across someone else with that same symptom set a while back and there was a suspicion that the kernel wasn't doing the right thing as regards bridging icmp6 link-local traffic. |
| 19:28.51 | Freddo_Frog | Invalid Release File, no entry for main/binary-/Paclages |
| 19:29.08 | ajs | I've got a static address assigned. My (perhaps mistaken) impression was that with anycast routing due to the /16 address I do not need a subnet registered to me because I can use the 4->6 translated address in the guests. |
| 19:29.12 | xingu | ajs: please note that ipv6 has no _arp_ - so bridging IPv6 is a little different to bridging ipv4 |
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| 19:29.51 | SerajewelKS | ajs: ipv6 does not do NAT, if that is what you are trying to do |
| 19:30.01 | SerajewelKS | ajs: can you reach your host box on its link-local address? |
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| 19:30.28 | ajs | Yes I've used the ipv6 traceroute on http://www.sixxs.net/tools/traceroute/ |
| 19:30.46 | SerajewelKS | ajs: i mean from inside the VM, can you ping6 your host's link-local address |
| 19:31.15 | ajs | Yes |
| 19:31.21 | ajs | No wait not the hosts |
| 19:31.21 | SerajewelKS | ajs: then ipv6 is working |
| 19:31.25 | SerajewelKS | ajs: ah |
| 19:31.32 | fixUp | Is there a general purpose init.d script I can use to launch arbitrary commands on boot up ? |
| 19:31.38 | abrotman | rc.local ? |
| 19:31.49 | ajs | I think the problem is with the bridge, but since you can't add sit0 to the bridge I can't figure out that part |
| 19:31.54 | htmlol | hmm. does anybody know of any log capture programs? |
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| 19:32.18 | mmlj4 | what kind of logs? etc.? |
| 19:32.28 | Freddo_Frog | when i run debootstrap i get an error 'E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-/Packages'. Can some1 please help me with this? |
| 19:32.31 | ajs | I've been allocated 10 IPv4 IPs and I'm using 6in4 on the VM host, but I want the VMs themselves to work without 6in4.. presumably I can do so because the machine they are running on now has ipv6 connectivity? |
| 19:32.42 | fixUp | abrotman: what about tail -f ? |
| 19:32.49 | SerajewelKS | ajs: maybe, maybe not |
| 19:32.58 | SerajewelKS | ajs: if you don't have an ipv6 subnet you can assign addresses out of, no |
| 19:32.59 | abrotman | fixUp: why? |
| 19:33.01 | xingu | ajs: I think the only working topology is _routed_ |
| 19:33.07 | htmlol | log capture, as in directing a device to log on the machine |
| 19:33.17 | htmlol | and the machine must be running a log capture program |
| 19:33.19 | roy2019 | hi |
| 19:33.24 | mmlj4 | syslog can accept remote logging |
| 19:33.33 | SerajewelKS | ajs: if you assign one of the 6to4 ipv6 addresses you are given, your tunnel provider is not going to know how to route that back to you |
| 19:33.37 | xingu | ajs: ie, 6in4 tunnel terminating on the hypervisor which then has many Nx point-to-point routed ipv6 subnets |
| 19:33.42 | radius | hi all ... been having issues since last update, wondering if anyone could help me remove openhpid, see paste... http://pastebin.ca/1178934 ... thanks for any help |
| 19:33.42 | fixUp | abrotman: sorry, meant to say that to htmlol |
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| 19:33.49 | xand | are "PC card services" relevant when using expresscard slots? |
| 19:33.56 | SerajewelKS | ajs: it's going to notice that you have no 6to4 connection with that ipv6 address and return "no route to host" |
| 19:33.57 | ajs | The thing is with 6in4 you are not "given" an address, it is implicit in your ipv4 address |
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| 19:34.12 | htmlol | mmlj4: really? how? |
| 19:34.12 | SerajewelKS | ajs: ah, yes. then having one box route for another will fail. |
| 19:34.16 | ajs | I have multiple routable ipv4 address; i.e the VMs themselves are not NAT'ed they have a real ipv4 address. |
| 19:34.20 | roy2019 | i have a trouble with bind and resolver, when cache is empty i can resolv noos.fr domain but after one hours this request don't work anymore |
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| 19:34.29 | SerajewelKS | ajs: then they will need their own 6to4 connections |
| 19:34.29 | htmlol | fixUp: I'm trying to get the logs from a remote device directed at this machine. |
| 19:34.42 | ajs | Hmm okay that's unfortunate but I guess it makes sense somehow |
| 19:35.01 | SerajewelKS | ajs: when you use 6to4 you are effectively assigned a single address |
| 19:35.07 | ajs | What I really want to do is take the ipv6 address from sit0 and put it on br0, but I can't figure out how to do that |
| 19:35.09 | fixUp | htmlol: capture them to a file or what ? |
| 19:35.14 | xingu | ajs: the key as I said is that ipv6 has no arp; it has icmp6, which relies on 1/ link-local addressing and 2/ multicast |
| 19:35.31 | htmlol | fixUp: yes. capture to a file. |
| 19:35.51 | fixUp | htmlol: I've done something similar before by redirecting the log to an NFS share |
| 19:36.23 | fixUp | htmlol: then you can tail it, also you can filter/script it with other tools if needs be |
| 19:36.33 | SerajewelKS | xingu: aside from the fact that he can't route for random addresses when he has only one |
| 19:36.57 | xingu | ajs: in a vps context this means that you'd need to ask the hypervisor to bridge the link-local addressed frames _and also_ the multicast frames; and by default I suspect it won't, I suspect it'll do the rfc'ly correct thing and process both as if they were directed (to it, the hypervisor) |
| 19:37.22 | htmlol | fixUp: nonono. I need to be running something on this machine that allows it to get logs sent to it from my router. |
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| 19:37.25 | phlux | Will "upgrading" my system from etch to lenny upgrade all programs that are already installed? |
| 19:37.32 | phlux | i.e., gtk |
| 19:37.53 | SerajewelKS | phlux: gtk is a library |
| 19:38.05 | phlux | well, will it be upgraded? |
| 19:38.13 | SerajewelKS | phlux: if there is a newer version available, then yes |
| 19:38.19 | phlux | nice. |
| 19:38.19 | SerajewelKS | phlux: and yes there is |
| 19:38.29 | xingu | SerajewelKS: sure, sufficient address space is a prereq naturally ;) but I'm assuming the non-totally-bozo case here (and there _are_ hazards outside it) |
| 19:38.34 | phlux | any docs available for upgrading to lenny? |
| 19:38.47 | SerajewelKS | phlux: /topic |
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| 19:39.05 | phlux | aha |
| 19:39.08 | phlux | thanks |
| 19:39.11 | SerajewelKS | np |
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| 19:39.41 | mohadib | what drivers should usb2 storage devices use? |
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| 19:40.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | usb-storage :) |
| 19:40.32 | mohadib | ehci_hcd? |
| 19:40.34 | fixUp | htmlol: Is your router running debia, or is it some dedicated hardware device ? |
| 19:40.38 | fixUp | debian* |
| 19:40.53 | htmlol | it's running tomato firmware |
| 19:40.58 | phlux | there are no backports for lenny, correct? |
| 19:41.11 | SerajewelKS | phlux: backports of what |
| 19:41.27 | phlux | a backport repository |
| 19:41.27 | mohadib | uhci_hcd is for usb1.0? |
| 19:41.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | phlux, you could make some... |
| 19:41.47 | zinx | mohadib: the proper drivers should automatically load on a Debian system |
| 19:41.50 | SerajewelKS | phlux: what are you looking for in this repository |
| 19:41.58 | mohadib | zinx: sure, but whats the name? |
| 19:42.06 | mohadib | im getting 2meg a second transfer |
| 19:42.10 | mohadib | something is horribly broken |
| 19:42.12 | zinx | mohadib: uchi and ohci are both usb 1.x, for different systems. ehci is for USB 2.0, and you'll need mass storage drivers loaded as well |
| 19:42.22 | mohadib | ok, thank you |
| 19:42.23 | phlux | SerajewelKS: nothing.. just updating to lenny and wanting to know if I should keep the backports repos |
| 19:42.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | phlux, no, there is little point to that - everything in unstable normally goes to testing after it has been in unstable for a fixed period of time without bugs that would hold it back |
| 19:42.34 | zinx | mohadib: if it's a flash device, then 2MB/s may be normal for that device. |
| 19:42.45 | abrotman | phlux: those backports.org are built from packages in lenny |
| 19:42.45 | SerajewelKS | phlux: it probably doesn't matter, they probably won't be installable anyway |
| 19:42.49 | abrotman | usually |
| 19:42.57 | mohadib | zinx: its a normal usb hardrive |
| 19:43.01 | SerajewelKS | phlux: but i'd remove it until you need it |
| 19:43.09 | mohadib | i was bale to write to it last week at about 20 meg a second |
| 19:43.19 | mohadib | not sure whats the issue now |
| 19:43.23 | zinx | mohadib: yeah 20MB/s is more typical for USB 2.0 hds |
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| 19:43.55 | mohadib | zinx: mass storgae driver is usb_storage ? |
| 19:44.00 | zinx | mohadib: yes |
| 19:44.03 | mohadib | ty |
| 19:44.33 | phlux | hopes this is as simple as 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
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| 19:44.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | phlux, of course it will be |
| 19:44.52 | slacker_nl | hello, does anyone know what rF means in dpkg -l ? |
| 19:44.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | (har har har) |
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| 19:45.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | slacker_nl, look at the key on top? |
| 19:45.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | r=remove |
| 19:46.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can there be capitalized letters, though |
| 19:46.17 | slacker_nl | removed, failed config |
| 19:46.22 | slacker_nl | i assume |
| 19:46.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
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| 19:46.29 | slacker_nl | thnx |
| 19:46.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | but isn't it rf? |
| 19:46.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | instead of rF? |
| 19:46.40 | slacker_nl | CutMeOwnThroat: the guy pasted it as rf |
| 19:46.43 | slacker_nl | rF |
| 19:46.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | strange |
| 19:47.13 | slacker_nl | this is the paste: |
| 19:47.14 | slacker_nl | dpkg -l | grep virtualbox |
| 19:47.14 | dpkg | ii | grep virtualbox 3.6-12.2 slacker_nl's private gamp collection |
| 19:47.15 | slacker_nl | rF virtualbox-ose 1.5.6-dfsg-6ubuntu1 x86 virtualization solution - binaries |
| 19:47.25 | slacker_nl | lol |
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| 19:47.52 | phlux | how long does dist-upgrade usually take? upgrading 826 packages, installing 4 new ones |
| 19:48.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | so then it's not debian and ubuntu and nobody in here can know what weird stuff thei did with dpkg |
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| 19:48.11 | phlux | amd turion 64 x2 processor, 2gb ram |
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| 19:48.27 | stew | phlux: we'd recommend using aptitude instead of apt-get, btw |
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| 19:48.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, bah, aptitude stinks |
| 19:48.56 | phlux | stew, why? |
| 19:49.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | no !start and apt war in the factoids yet, though |
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| 19:49.39 | slacker_nl | CutMeOwnThroat: uppercase=bad, next to the status Err? header of dpkg |
| 19:49.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | phlux, it's supposed to be better, smarter and have supercow powers |
| 19:49.52 | stew | phlux: its dependency resolution is much more advanced. it has been the tool recommended for woody->sarge, sarge->etch, and will be for etch->lenny. in many cases, apt-get was unable to handle woody->sarge at all which is why debian started recommending aptitude |
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| 19:50.05 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: no, apt-get is the one with super cow powers, aptitude doesn't have them |
| 19:50.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha! |
| 19:50.14 | mohadib | zinx: any idea on how i cant tell if a drive is using the usb1 driver? |
| 19:50.16 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: in what way does aptitude stink? |
| 19:50.17 | phlux | I see |
| 19:50.23 | peterrooney | stew: super man-eating cow powers? |
| 19:50.24 | phlux | stew, well, should I stop my apt-get session? |
| 19:50.37 | zinx | mohadib: some stuff in /sys may say, and dmesg will tell you how it connected as well |
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| 19:50.42 | stew | peterrooney: cow eating snake you mean? |
| 19:51.04 | stew | phlux: that is what I"d recommend |
| 19:51.05 | peterrooney | stew: sorry, read _the_tick_ recently. |
| 19:51.32 | peterrooney | stew: s/read/i have read/ |
| 19:51.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, a) I don't like it b) it showed dependency errors, where apt-get saw none and c) when I did apt-get upgrade and aptitude upgrade to see how many packages would change, aptitude too about 10 to 100 times longer, then came up with the identical results, but removing one of 1500 packages... |
| 19:51.41 | phlux | aha.. I have unresolved dependencies |
| 19:51.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | stinks |
| 19:52.03 | phlux | and came up with a solution |
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| 19:52.42 | zinx | mohadib: maybe try dmesg | grep 'speed USB' .. and note that 'high' is USB 2.0 480Mbit/s, not 'full' or 'low' |
| 19:52.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, that is, aptitude -f install found errors where apt-get -f install was content (and the "solution" was of course unacceptable) |
| 19:53.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | </rant> |
| 19:53.09 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: can you be more specific? |
| 19:53.47 | mohadib | zinx: usb 5-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 13 |
| 19:53.55 | mohadib | zinx: that means its using usb2 right? |
| 19:54.15 | steven_ | hmm in vim how do i replace a , with a newline, or more importantly whats the escape sequence i use for a new line ? |
| 19:54.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, no ... perhaps I could if you asked a specific question - but it's a couple of days/weeks back and I didn't write the exact things down |
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| 19:54.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | so this is basically what I remember |
| 19:54.42 | jaalto | #git |
| 19:54.44 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: i think most people would be happy waiting a little longer to use the tool that is more likely to work |
| 19:55.06 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: well "this one dude said that this one time it did something unacceptable but he desn't remember what it was" isn't really a good reason to not use aptitude |
| 19:55.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, maybe - if that is indeed the case (of which I've not seen a lot of proof yet) |
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| 19:55.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, I do remember what the "solution" was - it was of course to remove packages that I wanted installed |
| 19:55.57 | jaalto | Has anyone had those "Out of iommu space" under AMD? I've read and read pages but no definitive answer for 8 GM memory. What Kernel boot params did you choose? |
| 19:56.11 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: there was likely a better solution |
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| 19:56.31 | minus198 | How do I exec a proam as another user? |
| 19:56.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, yes, "leave it as it is, as apt-get doesn't complain" |
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| 19:56.50 | minus198 | I want to exec a program under the user ircd but I am user x |
| 19:56.52 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: no, there was likley a better solution using aptitude |
| 19:56.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | minus198, "su username" then start it |
| 19:57.03 | zanberdo | what is the distinction between lenny and sid? That is, I know that lenny is the code name for the next release, but what does sid mean? |
| 19:57.06 | minus198 | CutMeOwnThroat: Ah.. thanks |
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| 19:57.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, probably - it didn't come up with it in the 1st couple of solutions, though |
| 19:57.34 | slacker_nl | minus198: su - <user> -c "/path/to/cmd" |
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| 19:58.17 | minus198 | slacker_nl: Thanks |
| 19:58.19 | mohadib | zinx: thanks for the help :_) |
| 19:58.22 | mohadib | i found the problem |
| 19:58.35 | mohadib | one of the mount options was causing the slow down |
| 19:58.40 | stew | zanberdo: sid is the codename for the 'unstable' distribution which is never released. unstable is where new (and possibly completely untested) packages are uploaded to debian for the most part. |
| 19:58.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, but of course you can hit me, because I'm now mixing lenny packages in because the next update is near anyways... (and whenever I hit too much problems that'll just force me to update) so you could consider it an "unfair test" |
| 19:58.46 | mohadib | (rw,noexec,nodev,sync,noatime) |
| 19:58.52 | mohadib | does sync option slow stuff up? |
| 19:59.03 | mohadib | or possibly noexec or nodev? |
| 19:59.17 | ajs | If I delete a link local ipv6 address by accident, how do I restore it without taking the link down? |
| 19:59.21 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: i wouldn't consider it an unfair test |
| 19:59.47 | zanberdo | stew: ok, thanks. so what am I installing if I'm installing the beta of lenny? that's not sid is it? |
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| 19:59.56 | zinx | mohadib: sync does |
| 20:00.02 | mohadib | ahh |
| 20:00.11 | mohadib | zinx: what does the sync option do? |
| 20:00.20 | stew | zanberdo: that is not sid, that is 'lenny' or 'testing'. when lenny is released, lenny will be 'stable' and another name will be giving to the new testing that replaces lenny |
| 20:00.34 | zinx | mohadib: writes stuff to the hard drive immediately when requested, instead of caching it and writing it in optimal-sized blocks |
| 20:00.41 | mohadib | ahh |
| 20:00.53 | mohadib | so if i call sync;sync at the end of transfer think i will be ok? |
| 20:00.55 | zanberdo | stew: fair play. so then, the developers are working on sid and they release it as a beta of lenny (in this instance), is that a fair statement? |
| 20:01.25 | zinx | mohadib: yeah |
| 20:01.31 | mohadib | cool , thanks again mate |
| 20:01.37 | zinx | mohadib: but really, if you 'umount' or whatever, it should be ok |
| 20:01.41 | mohadib | zinx: send us a bill :p |
| 20:01.43 | stew | zanberdo: no, packages are uploaded to unstable. when a package has been in unstable for a long enough period of time, and it has fewer release critical bugs than the package which it would replace in testing, it is automatically moved to testing |
| 20:01.43 | zinx | mohadib: since unmounting syncs everything |
| 20:01.47 | mohadib | ah |
| 20:01.52 | stew | zanberdo: when testing has no more release critical bugs, it becomes stable |
| 20:02.29 | stew | zanberdo: (i've giving you a bit of an over-simplified view) |
| 20:02.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, what makes a bug release critical? |
| 20:02.38 | zinx | mohadib: doing sync without unmounting when removing the drive may not write everything (and, usually won't in fact) |
| 20:02.52 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: being priority critical, grave, or serious |
| 20:03.01 | zinx | mohadib: if nothing else, many filesystems have a "dirty bit" that's cleared when it's unmounted, and not at any other time :) |
| 20:03.17 | mohadib | zinx: ok, ill sync;sync;umount -l |
| 20:03.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, in this freeze - can new packages that just contain bugfixes still move into lenny? |
| 20:03.52 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: and those *usually* translate into critical=causes data loss, grave=makes package unusable, serious=violates policy |
| 20:04.20 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: they can move into lenny if and only if a release manager hints them in |
| 20:04.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | so the freeze actually prevents some packages with just bug-fixes to go into lenny? |
| 20:05.01 | PeterFA | How do I make apt install a certain version? |
| 20:05.05 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 20:05.13 | PeterFA | I have Postgresql 7.5 installed. |
| 20:05.15 | stew | PeterFA: aptitude install packag=version |
| 20:05.16 | zanberdo | stew: well, thank you for that. I"m not sure I'm clear on the distinction, save that lenny is in beta and as such is not necessarily stable, but it's not unstable, so it's not sid... it's probably not that important. I'm just trying to understand the why's and whatfor's... |
| 20:05.19 | PeterFA | I want the lastest. |
| 20:05.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, interesting |
| 20:05.54 | stew | PeterFA: there is a postgresql-8.1 package in stable, and a postgresql-8.3 package in etch-backports (/msg dpkg bpo) |
| 20:06.11 | phlux | stew, about how long will the dist-upgrade take on an AMD Turion 64 x2 with 2GB of RAM? |
| 20:06.50 | stew | phlux: depends on a lot of factors |
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| 20:07.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, something else - can anyone send mail to bugnumber@bugs.debian.org? |
| 20:07.05 | mohadib | is it possible to tell samba to not eat all the ram when doing a large transfer |
| 20:07.10 | phlux | upgrading 826 packages, installing 4 new ones |
| 20:07.14 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 20:07.16 | mohadib | i got 24gigs of ram and samba is trying to use it all |
| 20:08.30 | zinx | mohadib: if you are talking about buffers/cache, no. it would be stupid to not use unused ram for that. |
| 20:09.10 | zinx | mohadib: if it's *actually* eating the ram (i.e., not designated as buffers/cache in 'free' output), there may be a way.. but i don't think it would do that |
| 20:10.18 | mohadib | well, i think its caching it, but when i only had 8gig ram, samba transfer would eat 2 gigs of swap |
| 20:10.43 | mohadib | i was using about 10 , started transfer, jumped up to 20 and was still climbing when the transfer finished |
| 20:10.48 | mohadib | that was only about 20gigs |
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| 20:11.01 | mohadib | tonight when i do 200gigs im worried the server will start swapping |
| 20:11.32 | zinx | mohadib: check free -m, look at the +/- buffers/cache line |
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| 20:12.04 | mohadib | buffers 15 cache 18896 |
| 20:12.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, thanks |
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| 20:12.37 | mohadib | zinx: think i should not be concerned? |
| 20:12.38 | zinx | mohadib: wrong line, but yeah, that says 18G is cache, which will be freed when applications need it |
| 20:12.52 | zinx | mohadib: so no need for worry |
| 20:13.01 | mohadib | then why did it swap before when i had a little over 7 gigs in cache? |
| 20:13.13 | mohadib | before i had 24gig ram |
| 20:13.13 | zinx | mohadib: unused pages get swapped out |
| 20:13.30 | mohadib | i see, but then the box wait time went though the roof |
| 20:13.38 | zinx | mohadib: no idea about that |
| 20:13.48 | mohadib | hmm, ok , thanks again |
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| 20:14.38 | zinx | mohadib: if you had a lot of different PCs trying to download different parts of files, there may not have been enough ram to keep the stuff cached so the next client could get it |
| 20:14.45 | bkw | Hm, anyone who know how to get vnstat working on a alias interface? E.g vnstat -u -i eth0:4 doesn't work :( |
| 20:15.16 | mohadib | zinx: it was just one PC getting a ~160gig file |
| 20:15.19 | zinx | mohadib: but a smaller number of transfers shouldn't have caused a problem like that |
| 20:15.50 | zinx | mohadib: if it was Gbit and it was going ~50-80MB/s, it was probably hitting the hd's speed limitation :P |
| 20:16.12 | mohadib | so linux was eatting the ram to buffer? |
| 20:16.17 | mohadib | it is gigabit |
| 20:16.29 | zinx | mohadib: no, Linux was reading from the hard drive as fast as it could |
| 20:16.45 | zinx | mohadib: and everything else was competing for that hd IO time |
| 20:17.05 | mohadib | so would this cause linux to buffer the file until it could write it? |
| 20:17.07 | zinx | mohadib: pegging the hd is a great way to make system responsiveness go down |
| 20:17.17 | mohadib | well, its not the drive with the OS |
| 20:17.24 | mohadib | just an external usb drive for backups |
| 20:17.37 | zinx | mohadib: ah, USB is a bit CPU heavy as well |
| 20:18.54 | RobertSpencer | Hi, I'm trying to get colour in the CLI for things like ls. I Googled and found settings that are supposed to add colour, but they make no difference. Since it's a minimal server install, there may be a package missing. Ideas? BTW, mutt on the same system has colour. |
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| 20:19.31 | et | RobertSpencer: if you do ls --color, you don't have colors? |
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| 20:21.11 | phlux | hrm |
| 20:21.27 | phlux | stew: will 'aptitude dist-upgrade' upgrade my kernel too? |
| 20:21.49 | et | if not, does it colorize when you did eval `dircolors`; ls --color=always |
| 20:21.59 | phlux | hope not.. cause I just upgraded it |
| 20:22.03 | stew | phlux: it depends on whether or not you have a kernel meta-package like linux-image-2.6-686 or some such installed |
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| 20:22.12 | Pengue | quick question. A fresh install of etch goes on fine, but when it comes to loading x, the pc instantly reboots. The problem was it not seeing my video card properly and setting x to vesa. I fixed that by a combination of knoppix, a chroot and dpkg-reconfigure xserver. My question is, where do I need to be looking to change the default to nv rather than vesa? Many thanks |
| 20:22.18 | RobertSpencer | et: Yes that works. Cool! Which config file controls that for the whole system? |
| 20:22.40 | zinx | RobertSpencer: the profile for your shell. i thought Debian's default profiles all did that, though. |
| 20:22.45 | phlux | stew: I installed that 'etchnhalf' kernel |
| 20:22.48 | stew | RobertSpencer: check your .bashrc for alias lines you can uncomment |
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| 20:23.42 | stew | phlux: there isn't a newer version of the etchnhalf kernel in testing, but if you have a kernel meta-package such as linux-image-2.6 or linux-image-2.6-amd64 or linux-image-2.6-686 or some such, then a newer kernel would be pulled in by that package |
| 20:23.44 | abrotman | Pengue: your xorg.conf |
| 20:24.04 | phlux | ah.. I'm sure one of those was installed as base. |
| 20:24.22 | RobertSpencer | zinx: Every system I've been on has had that enabled by default, that's why I thought I had something missing. |
| 20:24.56 | Pengue | abrotman thanks. Makes sense really, I was just expecting it be a different conf file with it being from the install cd |
| 20:25.00 | zinx | RobertSpencer: every Debian install I've done has had that enabled by default, even the ones where I didn't put anything extra :P |
| 20:25.05 | phlux | stew, I can't use the etchnhalf with lenny, can I? |
| 20:26.18 | abrotman | Pengue: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 20:27.24 | stew | phlux: you can. there is a newer kernel than the etchnhalf in lenny as well |
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| 20:27.30 | Pengue | abrotman yeah, I know where it is, thanks. Like I say, I just expected it to be elsewhere |
| 20:27.42 | abrotman | ok |
| 20:27.45 | zinx | RobertSpencer: looks like it's in the default ~/.bashrc and other default per-user profile scripts |
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| 20:28.51 | stew | phlux: and no, i wouldn't expect one of the kernel meta-packages to be installed as part of base |
| 20:28.57 | lobak | hello |
| 20:29.21 | lobak | if i have added the rule in iptables, how can i undo it back? |
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| 20:29.36 | stew | lobak: change the -I or -A to -D |
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| 20:30.27 | lobak | stew: for example http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/73 |
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| 20:31.11 | stew | lobak: yes, what I am saying would work for those examples |
| 20:31.36 | Dantix | hi all, I've found several cpus 486 in a deposit, are there any gui that runs in this kind of hardware...? |
| 20:32.10 | lobak | stew: ok..thank you |
| 20:32.32 | RobertSpencer | zinx: My server ~/.bashrc is almost empty, it only has a few lines to test for and source /etc/bashrc. My desktop ~/.bashrc is filled with settings, so there is something extra that adds them. |
| 20:33.06 | stew | RobertSpencer: the thing that adds colur to ls is: alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 20:33.52 | stew | RobertSpencer: you can do the same with some other commands, like 'grep' |
| 20:35.10 | RobertSpencer | stew: Thanks, I'll do that. |
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| 20:36.15 | zinx | RobertSpencer: adduser copies the default to ~/ |
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| 20:39.44 | stew | the default being /etc/skel/.bashrc |
| 20:40.34 | RobertSpencer | zinx: adduser copies from /etc/skel/, the files there are different from server and desktop. |
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| 20:42.06 | zinx | RobertSpencer: then it was altered.. it's provided [as a configuration file, so you can change it] by the bash package |
| 20:42.16 | SpeedyG | hey, when running openGL apps, I get this error, and then the app quits again: Couldn't find matching GLX visual |
| 20:42.18 | zinx | RobertSpencer: or the vairous other shells, i'd imagine |
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| 20:42.21 | SpeedyG | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.13 | polter | having some issues with my sound.. when having headphones plugged in, the sound still comes out of the speakers too |
| 20:43.27 | Arrowmaster | i just did an install and only selected base system during the install and my .bashrc is full of stuff, i dont think it varrys depending on server or desktop |
| 20:43.37 | stew | polter: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:43.54 | polter | stew, 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 20:44.11 | stew | polter: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:44.34 | polter | stew, etch |
| 20:44.45 | polter | I was thinking maybe pulseaudio would take care of this |
| 20:44.47 | ajs | xingu, SerajewelKS, fwiw I got it working |
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| 20:45.22 | RobertSpencer | Thanks et, zinx and stew, I'm glad to finally find out what to change. :-) |
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| 20:46.08 | stew | polter: that was an issue with some people with snd_hda_intel. i believe it is fixed in 1.0.17, unfortunately the alsa-source package doesn't easily backport to etch |
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| 20:46.36 | polter | stew.. hmm |
| 20:46.40 | polter | damn |
| 20:46.55 | polter | well. lenny comes out soon anyway.. so I might just dist-upgrade |
| 20:47.05 | stew | polter: you can try compiling alsa yourself. you can also see if the 2.6.25 kernel in backports.org fixes the issue for you |
| 20:47.18 | polter | stew, yeah ok, I'll try that kernel |
| 20:47.21 | polter | thanks |
| 20:47.31 | stew | polter: you could try the kernel from backports.org which is the same kernel as lennny instead of upgrading everything to lenny just for the kernel |
| 20:47.47 | stew | unfortunately there wasn't a alsa-source package in bpo last i checked |
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| 20:48.37 | polter | stew, I'll give it a go |
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| 20:48.57 | SpeedyG | for sound, the lenny kernel is a huge winner for me :D |
| 20:49.06 | Hideki | you can use amixer or similar to reduce the speaker volume with the headphones in, it has independent controls for speaker/headphones |
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| 20:49.36 | polter | Hideki, alsamixer didn't show any separate channels for headphones |
| 20:49.38 | SpeedyG | now I can use more than one audio-app on the digital-out :D |
| 20:50.00 | Hideki | oh, odd, it deos on my eee pc, oh well -.- |
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| 20:50.46 | polter | also ndiswrapper using module-assistant was a massive fail for me. luckily ndiswrapper compiles pretty easily using regular source |
| 20:51.20 | Hideki | polter, what machine is ist? |
| 20:51.37 | r3c4ll | Hi to all, excuse my bad english. how i can test this exploit? http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/24436/exploit I'm new to linux and a nessus scan on my own network tellme that i have this vulnerability... |
| 20:51.39 | polter | it's my laptop.. and hp 530 with broadcom wireless |
| 20:51.47 | r3c4ll | I'm interesting in know how i can exploit this to view how an attacker do it |
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| 20:51.51 | Hideki | ah, not met one of those, lol |
| 20:51.56 | r3c4ll | You can help me? |
| 20:52.24 | polter | r3c4ll, be patient |
| 20:52.29 | polter | time to reboot into another kernel |
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| 20:54.20 | SpeedyG | anyone who can help me with this problem?? |
| 20:54.27 | SpeedyG | when running openGL apps, I get this error, and then the app quits again: Couldn't find matching GLX visual |
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| 20:55.36 | stew | r3c4ll: what version of firebird are you asking about? |
| 20:55.38 | Eulex | SpeedyG, that means that your driver does not provide the needed capabilities |
| 20:55.59 | stew | r3c4ll: refer to http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1529 if you haven't already |
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| 20:56.31 | SpeedyG | Eulex: it did, until I rebooted, messed up my /tmp and /home partition, removed and readded my useraccount |
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| 20:56.53 | r3c4ll | stew, i want know how execute the exploit before patch the vulnerability |
| 20:56.53 | Eulex | SpeedyG, what video driver? |
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| 20:57.10 | Eulex | SpeedyG, does glxinfo output some error? |
| 20:57.21 | SpeedyG | Eulex: nvidia in lenny, glxinfo gives another error, let me look it up |
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| 20:57.51 | ola_ | oops, wrong room |
| 20:57.55 | ola_ | my bad |
| 20:58.13 | SpeedyG | Eulex: http://pastebin.ca/1179001 thats what glxinfo produces |
| 20:58.31 | SpeedyG | keeps jabbing about glx extention missing |
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| 20:59.15 | phlux | is it possible to use aptitude to uninstall all packages (leaving me with a base system?) |
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| 20:59.24 | Eulex | SpeedyG, take a look in your xorg log. |
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| 20:59.52 | achilles | SpeedyG - have you got glx inserted into your xorg.conf? |
| 20:59.57 | SpeedyG | Eulex: (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) hmm |
| 21:00.00 | SpeedyG | achilles: yes |
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| 21:00.39 | Eulex | SpeedyG, make sure you have an nvidia x driver and nvidia kernel module whose versions match |
| 21:00.49 | phlux | anyone? |
| 21:00.52 | phlux | I'm in quite a bind here |
| 21:00.59 | achilles | SpeedyG, what happens when you run glxinfo as root? |
| 21:01.21 | Eulex | phlux, the base system consists of packages too. |
| 21:01.23 | SpeedyG | achilles: the same |
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| 21:01.54 | phlux | I see |
| 21:02.05 | phlux | well, aptitude dist-upgrade was interrupted |
| 21:02.10 | phlux | and now I can't continue it |
| 21:02.15 | phlux | also can't get back to etch. |
| 21:02.19 | Eulex | achilles, glxinfo is irrelevant if it fails when xorg starts (according to Xorg.0.log) |
| 21:02.21 | phlux | So, I'm stuck eh? |
| 21:02.30 | stew | phlux: why can't you continue it? |
| 21:02.31 | Eulex | phlux, what happens when you try to dist-upgrade again? |
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| 21:02.46 | phlux | Eulex: just fails out spitting out a bunch of packages and says "too many errors." |
| 21:02.59 | Eulex | phlux, can you pastebin the error? |
| 21:03.01 | stew | phlux: show us the actual errors ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 21:03.48 | SpeedyG | Eulex: i've been using the nvidia_lenny factoids to install the drivers, weird thing is that it did work, until I screwed my /tmp partition |
| 21:04.00 | Eulex | SpeedyG, pastebin the output of dpkg -l|grep nvidia; uname -ar |
| 21:04.13 | Eulex | SpeedyG, what are the permissions on your /tmp? |
| 21:04.17 | phlux | Give me a few minutes |
| 21:04.32 | Eulex | SpeedyG, ls -ald /tmp |
| 21:04.47 | phlux | aha, can't do that, stew |
| 21:04.50 | phlux | can't get back into X. |
| 21:04.56 | SpeedyG | Eulex: http://pastebin.ca/1179009 |
| 21:05.12 | phlux | also, dpkg --configure -a won't spit into a log file using '>' |
| 21:05.14 | knoxy | how can I do to burn a debian iso in my pen drive? I need to install debian in my server and this server not have a cd/dvd drive... |
| 21:05.39 | Eulex | !tell phlux about pastebin pipe |
| 21:05.49 | stew | phlux: you can't do what? |
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| 21:05.53 | SpeedyG | Eulex: /tmp = drwxrwxrwx 13 root root 4096 2008-08-19 22:40 /tmp/ |
| 21:06.04 | phlux | stew: paste it to a pastebin |
| 21:06.12 | stew | phlux: why not? |
| 21:06.31 | phlux | I can't get the full error (for some reason, I can't scroll up on the screen even when scroll lock is on) |
| 21:06.37 | phlux | and I can't get back in to X |
| 21:06.37 | Eulex | SpeedyG, your /tmp is missing the sticky bit. |
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| 21:06.46 | SpeedyG | Eulex: how can I set it? |
| 21:07.04 | Eulex | chmod +t, I believe |
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| 21:07.31 | SpeedyG | Eulex: ah yes, now the permissions are the same as on my homeserver |
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| 21:08.18 | Eulex | phlux, you can pipe the output to the script dpkg told you about. |
| 21:08.21 | polter | so.. .25 kernel didn't work.. actually now I got NO sound :) |
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| 21:08.42 | polter | I'll try dist-upgrading.. completely new computer so I don't care if I lost the little data I got already |
| 21:08.43 | Eulex | polter, checked volume levels? |
| 21:08.49 | polter | Eulex, yep |
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| 21:09.20 | phlux | Eulex: I can't install any packages |
| 21:09.22 | stew | phlux: why can't you show us the output of "dpkg --configure -a" ? becuase of ncurses? you can "export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=readline" |
| 21:09.35 | phlux | I have too many unresolved dependencies |
| 21:09.49 | phlux | stew, I can't scroll up in the terminal, heh |
| 21:09.51 | Eulex | polter, sometimes there are pure on/off volume settings. alsamixer will show those and allow you to turn them on and off. |
| 21:09.59 | defrysk | phlux, did you mix repos or something ? |
| 21:10.01 | polter | I checked alsamixer |
| 21:10.19 | Eulex | phlux, shift-pgup/pgdn? |
| 21:10.22 | phlux | defrysk: no |
| 21:10.47 | phlux | Eulex: nothing |
| 21:11.04 | phlux | stew, tell you what, I can issue the command as an 'exec -o' in a privmsg with you |
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| 21:11.05 | stew | phlux: use script |
| 21:11.09 | phlux | mishg flood me out though |
| 21:11.10 | stew | phlux: no, please dont |
| 21:11.16 | phlux | I can't use the script |
| 21:11.20 | Eulex | phlux, is this a linux text terminal? is it perhaps inside screen? |
| 21:11.22 | phlux | it requires me to install a package |
| 21:11.22 | stew | phlux: why can't you use script? |
| 21:11.31 | SpeedyG | hm, know what, i'll reinstall the entire system tomorrow... good for some more practice :) time for bed now, no need to worry about nvidia anylonger.. |
| 21:11.38 | Eulex | phlux, you can always dpkg -i a single package |
| 21:11.43 | phlux | Eulex: not inside screen, but is indeed a terminal |
| 21:11.50 | SpeedyG | Eulex: thanks for the help |
| 21:12.11 | Eulex | SpeedyG, yw, hope you'll get it working. you do probably not need to reinstall. |
| 21:12.24 | phlux | there we go, Eulex |
| 21:12.26 | phlux | got it |
| 21:12.46 | stew | you should already have script installed, its in an essential package |
| 21:13.11 | phlux | errors are too big.. |
| 21:13.24 | phlux | stew, how can I have 'dpkg --configure -a' output to a text file? |
| 21:13.34 | phlux | that's where the error is coming from |
| 21:13.49 | Eulex | > |
| 21:14.06 | stew | phlux: run it inside script |
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| 21:17.06 | phlux | stew, http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/output.log |
| 21:17.08 | phlux | There's the output |
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| 21:18.27 | stew | phlux: have you tried running "aptitude -f install" or "aptitude -f dist-upgrade"? |
| 21:18.40 | phlux | no, I haven't |
| 21:19.08 | phlux | same error, stew. |
| 21:19.43 | dmoerner | what is the output of ?aptitude -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes -f install |
| 21:20.47 | phlux | same thing dmoerner. |
| 21:20.52 | stew | phlux: show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libgnome2-0" |
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| 21:22.16 | knoxy | what version of debian is more recommended to use in HP Proliant DL 380 G5 ? |
| 21:22.48 | stew | knoxy: etch |
| 21:23.20 | knoxy | stew http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 21:24.10 | stew | knoxy: no, id recommend you use the current revision which is r4a not r0. you also might want to use the newer kernels: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 21:24.25 | BoomSie | Hi, I have a strange issue at home that printing over the network (XP client) is AMAZINGLY slow. I googled my ass of all night, but from hostname resolvment through 'use client driver' (which I don't use -> direct ipp) doesnt solve the problem .. anybody familiar with this problem ? |
| 21:24.27 | phlux | stew, http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/apt-cache.log |
| 21:24.52 | knoxy | stew http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 21:25.14 | stew | knoxy: yes |
| 21:25.39 | stew | phlux: i don't know why "aptitude -f dist-upgrade" wouldnt' be trying to upgrade libgnome2-0 then. what happens if you run "aptitude install libgnome2-0" |
| 21:25.46 | dmoerner | knoxy, i presume you have already read this: http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SupportTaskIndex.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&taskId=115&prodSeriesId=1121516&prodTypeId=15351&supportTaskId=23211 |
| 21:26.03 | knoxy | stew my server havent a cd or dvd drive... I can install debian with "netinst" release? |
| 21:26.06 | knoxy | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 21:26.23 | phlux | stew, it's removing some dep problems |
| 21:26.26 | knoxy | dmoerner hmmm.. thanks |
| 21:26.30 | phlux | nope.. problem was halted again |
| 21:26.47 | dmoerner | knoxy, how are you planning on installing without cd? if you want to use usb then download the netinst boot.img.gz instead of the iso |
| 21:27.10 | knoxy | dmoerner I will try to install using a pen drive |
| 21:27.16 | knoxy | any idea? |
| 21:27.39 | stew | knoxy: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 21:27.56 | BoomSie | I wish I could do /msg dpkg cups slow printing |
| 21:27.58 | BoomSie | :( |
| 21:27.58 | dmoerner | knoxy, http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/downloads/Debian-Proliant-Howto-etch-final-070907.pdf should be all you need |
| 21:28.23 | phlux | stew: looks like I'll be reinstalling, eh? |
| 21:28.41 | RobertSpencer | I've gotten colour in the bash CLI now, but screen ignores the setting in ~/.bashrc. Anyone here got a working screen with colour? |
| 21:28.51 | stew | phlux: i doubt it is necessary |
| 21:28.59 | dmoerner | RobertSpencer, my screen works in color with no tweaks in .bashrc |
| 21:29.03 | phlux | I don't see a solution, stew. |
| 21:29.10 | knoxy | stew dmoerner good... thanksss.. hey.. Is a good idea install debian etch in this server to be my new VMware server ? |
| 21:30.17 | phlux | any other ideas? :\ |
| 21:30.19 | stew | phlux: why can't you upgrade libgnome2.0? |
| 21:30.26 | phlux | I have no idea |
| 21:30.34 | stew | phlux: i don't either unless you show me the error |
| 21:30.35 | phlux | Spitting out the same error as in the original output.log |
| 21:30.38 | dmoerner | phlux, i think he means pastebin the error. |
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| 21:30.51 | stew | phlux: i doubt that |
| 21:31.18 | phlux | hrm, hold on |
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| 21:32.32 | phlux | stew: http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/libgnome.log |
| 21:32.43 | phlux | not the same error. not sure what I did the first time, heh |
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| 21:33.04 | stew | phlux: what command gave you that error? |
| 21:33.25 | phlux | stew, aptitude upgrade libgnome2-0 |
| 21:33.45 | stew | i'm suprised that aptitude would be recommending using apt-get |
| 21:34.04 | phlux | d'oh, I did use apt-get. |
| 21:34.10 | phlux | just double-checked myself |
| 21:34.21 | phlux | should I try aptitude? |
| 21:34.28 | stew | and i'm also suprised that "apt-get upgrade libgnome2.0" would complain that "apt-get upgrade" doesn't take a package name as an argument |
| 21:34.44 | stew | ^would^wouldn't |
| 21:34.48 | htmlol | it shouldn't matter |
| 21:35.00 | stew | htmlol: what shouldn't matter? |
| 21:35.02 | jelly-home | aptitude (and perhaps recent apts) do accept extra packages to be installed there, I think |
| 21:35.07 | htmlol | what phlux said |
| 21:35.11 | stew | jelly-home: aptitude doesn't |
| 21:35.22 | stew | htmlol: it does matter |
| 21:35.27 | phlux | what should I have done then? |
| 21:35.30 | jelly-home | maybe suffixed with a +, then |
| 21:35.43 | htmlol | in this instance, though? I didn |
| 21:35.48 | htmlol | in this instance, though? I didn't think so |
| 21:36.24 | stew | phlux: my recommendations have been "aptitude -f install" "aptitude -f dist-upgrade" and if those fail, see why "aptitude install libgnome2.0" fails |
| 21:37.19 | phlux | aptitude -f install is giving me the "too many errors" problem |
| 21:37.27 | phlux | as does aptitude -f dist-upgrade |
| 21:38.00 | dmoerner | phlux, as i look at your log again I see that there is an error with an older version of debconf being installed. what is the output of aptitude install debconf? |
| 21:38.29 | phlux | same thing |
| 21:39.51 | phlux | Heh :\ |
| 21:40.17 | jelly-home | phlux: can you pastebin the output of apt-get -s -f install? |
| 21:40.25 | RobertSpencer | dmoerner: I've had problems with .bash_logout, .bash_profile, .bashrc and /etc/profile. I've replaced all the .bash* files from /etc/skel, so they they now work properly. /etc/profile may be the problem, does yours have any mor settings that ones for PATH, PS1 and umask? |
| 21:40.52 | dmoerner | RobertSpencer, no |
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| 21:41.46 | phlux | jelly-home: http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/jelly.log |
| 21:42.27 | RobertSpencer | dmoerner: Odd, I was sure screen takes on the settings for the login shell. |
| 21:43.02 | jelly-home | phlux: looks reasonable. what about apt-get -s -f install apt? |
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| 21:43.53 | Blast_Hardcheese | What's a decent lightweight image browser? |
| 21:43.56 | phlux | lol, I'm gonna kill my FTP will all these connects/disconnects :P |
| 21:44.06 | htmlol | Blast_Hardcheese: dillo or w3m |
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| 21:44.26 | phlux | jelly-home: http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/jelly2.log |
| 21:44.29 | Blast_Hardcheese | you've got to be kidding me, |
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| 21:44.44 | Blast_Hardcheese | The best image browsers are web browsers? |
| 21:44.49 | Blast_Hardcheese | That's insane |
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| 21:45.00 | htmlol | OH |
| 21:45.03 | cr3 | is there a way to call seteuid from a shell script? |
| 21:45.07 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: if you have 3d accel working, try gliv |
| 21:45.08 | htmlol | you meant image browser |
| 21:45.14 | htmlol | not web browser with images. heh sorry |
| 21:45.20 | Blast_Hardcheese | ah, good, no |
| 21:45.22 | htmlol | Xzgv |
| 21:45.25 | Blast_Hardcheese | I meant actually image browser |
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| 21:45.47 | jelly-home | "pornview" :-) |
| 21:45.56 | htmlol | but yeah Xzgv is good |
| 21:46.01 | phlux | jelly-home: any ideas with that? |
| 21:46.19 | htmlol | and there's always cd + ls + feh ;) |
| 21:46.34 | jelly-home | phlux: eh. I'd note the packages being removed with "apt-get -f install", and then do that. |
| 21:46.53 | phlux | how do you note them removed? |
| 21:46.53 | stew | phlux: i'd use the aptitude frontend |
| 21:47.44 | RobertSpencer | Blast_Hardcheese: I like GQview for browsing a collection of images in a directory quickly. |
| 21:47.47 | jelly-home | phlux: I mean, run apt-get -f install, but write down if it wants to remove something you'd like to have installed |
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| 21:48.46 | jelly-home | aptitude ui is nice only after you get the hang of it ;-) |
| 21:49.09 | phlux | I've tried apt-get -f install |
| 21:49.13 | phlux | it gives me errors too |
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| 21:50.24 | stew | jelly-home: if he's going to be dist-upgrading from etch to a lenny/sid mix, getting the hang of it would be recommended |
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| 21:51.03 | jelly-home | stew: I agree |
| 21:51.27 | phlux | http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/install.log |
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| 21:52.42 | _freebird | you guys, I've a quad core, 2gb of ram, intel motherboard, debian etch installed and all at once the machine is restarts, I'm afraid it could be a bad function of something in the hardware, is there any log I can check ?? |
| 21:52.51 | phlux | any ideas? :\ |
| 21:52.58 | _freebird | please |
| 21:53.02 | jelly-home | phlux: hm, that's decidedly different to what you said was "apt-get -s -f install" output |
| 21:53.14 | phlux | jelly-home: that's 'aptitude -f install' |
| 21:53.19 | jelly-home | oh |
| 21:53.23 | phlux | but I can do and apt-get -f install, too |
| 21:53.29 | phlux | it errors out.. but in a different way |
| 21:53.36 | Weems | Im having a bind issue Starting domain name service...: bind9 failed! |
| 21:53.58 | stew | phlux: figure out why "/etc/init.d/dirmngr stop" fails. "bash -x /etc/init.d/dirmgr stop" might help |
| 21:54.08 | jelly-home | phlux: either use aptitude's interactive interface, or do the apt-get -f install which looks conservative enough |
| 21:54.20 | stew | phlux: but i'd recommend using aptitude interactively |
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| 21:54.51 | phlux | jelly-home: http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/aptinstall.log <--from apt-get -f install. |
| 21:54.53 | jelly-home | stew: some of the more stupid packages init scripts fail when given a "stop" and the service is already dead |
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| 21:54.55 | _freebird | please you guys, is there a log I can verify why my machine is suddently restarting ?? |
| 21:55.05 | Weems | Im having a bind issue Starting domain name service...: bind9 failed! |
| 21:55.35 | phlux | something's wrong with dirmgr it looks like |
| 21:55.58 | jelly-home | phlux: yes. basically the same thing as with -s. it wants to remove just these: gnome-themes-extras libldap2 libperl5.8 rhythmbox totem |
| 21:56.26 | Weems | and synaptic wont load (synaptic:5516): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 |
| 21:56.47 | phlux | can't remove them with 'apt-get remove' |
| 21:57.04 | _freebird | Weems try not running as root |
| 21:57.09 | jelly-home | phlux: why would you? |
| 21:57.14 | Weems | says cannot find command |
| 21:57.28 | phlux | because it needs to remove them.. that's where the problem is, right? |
| 21:57.54 | jelly-home | phlux: no, it's says what it's going to do. |
| 21:58.04 | phlux | why can't it do it, then? :\ |
| 21:58.40 | jelly-home | phlux: because of the dirmngr prerm script failing :-) |
| 21:58.59 | phlux | jelly-home: so what should I do about that? |
| 21:59.04 | jelly-home | phlux: run /etc/init.d/dirmngr start |
| 21:59.09 | stew | Weems: are you trying to run synaptic as the user that started/logged into X, or some other user? |
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| 21:59.18 | jelly-home | phlux: check it's running |
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| 21:59.31 | Weems | yes |
| 21:59.41 | Weems | as current X user |
| 21:59.47 | jelly-home | phlux: and redo apt-get -f install |
| 22:00.00 | phlux | jelly-home: it is running; same error with apt-get -f install |
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| 22:00.36 | RobertSpencer | Can someone here please suggest a solution to getting colour working in screen (terminal multiplexor). I've tried Googling, but screen is a very common word. |
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| 22:01.00 | midoi | when i suspend my laptop doing pm-suspend, it works fine. but when i choose suspend from my gdm login window, it doesn't come back up. what's the problem? i'm using lenny |
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| 22:01.14 | phlux | so do I need to find a way to reinstall dirmgr, jelly-home? |
| 22:01.28 | htmlol | RobertSpencer: do you have color forced in your .bashrc? |
| 22:01.42 | jelly-home | phlux: no, just to make that script work |
| 22:01.58 | RobertSpencer | htmlol: Yes. |
| 22:02.01 | phlux | well I have no idea what to do to make the script work, heh |
| 22:02.20 | jelly-home | phlux: debug it. is /etc/init.d/dirmngr a shell script? |
| 22:02.54 | phlux | jelly-home: yes, it is |
| 22:03.09 | jelly-home | phlux: it usually is. if it is, insert "set -x" as a second line. rerun apt-get -f install |
| 22:03.47 | stew | Weems: does "xauth -n list :0.0" list a token? or an error? or what? |
| 22:04.05 | htmlol | RobertSpencer: and it still doesn't work? strange. h/o |
| 22:04.15 | stew | phlux: or run "bash -x /etc/init.d/dirmngr start" |
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| 22:04.26 | phlux | hmm |
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| 22:04.36 | phlux | jelly-home: it's stopping dirmgr to try and upgrade it, it seems |
| 22:04.43 | phlux | (when apt-get -f install is issued, anyhow) |
| 22:04.58 | stew | oh, i mean stop not start... |
| 22:05.31 | Weems | stew: shows nothing |
| 22:05.32 | jelly-home | phlux: yes, services are usually stopped on upgrades (old one stopped and removed, new one unpacked, configured and started) |
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| 22:05.52 | phlux | so why can't it do it? :\ |
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| 22:06.06 | RobertSpencer | htmlol: You don't by any chance have a hard blunt object to hit me with. I've just found out what the problem was. I had to exit screen and then start it from fresh for it to pick up the settings from the changed .bashrc. Duh! :-[ |
| 22:06.14 | htmlol | RobertSpencer: perhaps try to add some color commands into your screenrc (either ~/.screenrc or /etc/screenrc) http://dotfiles.org/~StatC/.screenrc |
| 22:06.18 | htmlol | HA ok |
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| 22:06.41 | jelly-home | phlux: the new output from set -x should provide clues about which command is failing |
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| 22:07.03 | phlux | it's really not showing anything different |
| 22:07.56 | stew | Weems: are you SURE you are running as the user that is logged into x? check with "whoami" |
| 22:08.06 | jelly-home | phlux: there should be some new lines starting with + signs in the output of apt-get -f install |
| 22:08.06 | RobertSpencer | htmlol: Thanks for the link, I'll look at it now. |
| 22:08.20 | htmlol | sure. but if you said it works, then it works. hehe |
| 22:08.23 | Weems | yeah |
| 22:08.23 | phlux | jelly-home: negative on that |
| 22:08.29 | Weems | im root stew |
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| 22:08.56 | htmlol | RobertSpencer: if you want to reload the bashrc, just type ". .bashrc" |
| 22:08.57 | brimstone | is there a way for /etc/network/interfaces to do something like a #include ? |
| 22:08.58 | stew | Weems: and you logged into X as root? |
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| 22:09.22 | dmoerner | brimstone, . /path/to/file in the beginning or wherever you want it |
| 22:09.22 | phlux | not seeing anything with a + sign |
| 22:09.31 | jelly-home | phlux: hmph. ok, try stopping the init script: /etc/init.d/dirmngr stop ... then check the processes, is it still running? |
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| 22:09.39 | dmoerner | . , or source, is a shell builtin that is the equivalent of including a header |
| 22:09.40 | brimstone | dmoerner: so like ". /etc/network/interfaces.local" ? |
| 22:09.49 | dmoerner | brimstone, yes |
| 22:10.01 | phlux | jelly-home: nope |
| 22:10.08 | brimstone | i have a bunch of vlans on one interface that i want to keep the same between machines, and the management interface has unique ips, obviously |
| 22:10.19 | Weems | stew: no |
| 22:10.22 | brimstone | just the same commands in interfaces.local then dmoerner? |
| 22:10.24 | jelly-home | phlux: weird, it seems that the init script works as expected, then |
| 22:10.28 | stew | Weems: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 22:10.32 | Weems | im on gnome as my main account |
| 22:10.45 | jelly-home | phlux: add set -x to /var/lib/dpkg/info/dirmngr.prerm |
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| 22:11.03 | jelly-home | phlux: pastebin the output of apt-get -f install |
| 22:11.10 | dmoerner | dmoerner, yes. source (.) does nothing more than add the contents of that other file to the present file at the place where it is called |
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| 22:11.28 | dmoerner | brimstone, ^^ |
| 22:11.40 | brimstone | ok, thanks dmoerner, i'll give it a shot |
| 22:11.45 | knoxy | dmoerner and stew thanks for help... |
| 22:11.46 | phlux | jelly-home: aha. that spit some stuff out. want me to post the output? |
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| 22:12.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there a "good" way to use an alternative shell via ssh? |
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| 22:12.40 | jelly-home | phlux: please do |
| 22:12.42 | htmlol | CutMeOwnThroat: what do you mean? |
| 22:12.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | the machine/account has csh, but I want to use bash |
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| 22:13.07 | htmlol | so just type bash |
| 22:13.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | just wondernig if there's something I can put into the ssh command |
| 22:13.30 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: use "chsh" to change your login shell |
| 22:13.33 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: ssh -t user@host bash |
| 22:13.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | ssh user@host bash -i works, but without job control |
| 22:13.57 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: add -t to ssh options |
| 22:13.58 | dmoerner | CutMeOwnThroat, the last part of an ssh string after the hostname is the command you want ssh to execute |
| 22:14.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, it's not my account, but one I'm allowed to use |
| 22:14.03 | phlux | jelly-home: http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/xinstall.log |
| 22:14.12 | phlux | jelly-home: can we take this to a query? |
| 22:14.15 | Weems | stew: http://pastebin.ca/1179102 |
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| 22:14.22 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: then ssh normally and "exec bash -l" when in there |
| 22:14.42 | stew | dpkg: tell Weems about run stuff as root |
| 22:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, thanks \amethyst jelly-home -t was what I was looking for |
| 22:14.53 | RobertSpencer | htmlol: Your right, that works as well. Cool. |
| 22:14.53 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: try adding -t to ssh and see if that gives you job control |
| 22:14.56 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: cool |
| 22:15.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | was looking in the manpage in vain - searching for interactive and similar |
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| 22:15.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | cool |
| 22:15.29 | dmoerner | dpkg, tell Weems about sux |
| 22:16.05 | phlux | jelly-home: did you get that? |
| 22:16.31 | Weems | still wont work after that ;p |
| 22:16.52 | jelly-home | phlux: yes. I'm also destroying a pizza at the present time, please bear with me |
| 22:17.00 | phlux | lol, alrighty |
| 22:17.41 | jelly-home | phlux: so "invoke-rc.d dirmngr stop" fails when called from the installation script. |
| 22:18.14 | jelly-home | phlux: can you do a /etc/init.d/dirmngr start, verify it's back up, then rerun apt-get -f install and post the result? |
| 22:18.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, pity about the shell of the account, though - this way I learned that the autocompletion you can use with scp depends on bash on *both* sides of the deal (not so surprising, but I never knew how that works before, so...) |
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| 22:18.57 | phlux | jelly-home: the invoke-rc.d dirmsg stop script says there is no /etc/init.d/dirmgr |
| 22:19.01 | phlux | but it is there.. |
| 22:19.24 | stew | phlux: is it dirmgr or dirmngr ? |
| 22:19.31 | jelly-home | phlux: where does it say that? |
| 22:19.38 | phlux | ah nevermind |
| 22:19.40 | phlux | it's dirmngr |
| 22:19.53 | phlux | it's invoke-rc.d's way of stopping it |
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| 22:20.04 | ABADIEMH | hola espana |
| 22:20.17 | phlux | I can start it, but not stop it |
| 22:20.22 | phlux | spits out some funky stuff |
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| 22:20.46 | ABADIEMH | en espanol porfa |
| 22:20.50 | htmlol | !tell ABADIEMH about spanish |
| 22:21.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't it just "es"? |
| 22:21.16 | RobertSpencer | Since there seems to be alot of installation gurus here this evening, I'm hoping someone here has the list of packages that get installed if you do a minimal install? I'm trying to whittle my desktop install down to less than 1GB and loosing my mind due to dependency hell. |
| 22:21.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, both |
| 22:21.26 | htmlol | same for both |
| 22:21.27 | htmlol | yeah |
| 22:21.38 | phlux | jelly-home: http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/ainstall.log |
| 22:21.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I tend to the shorter :) |
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| 22:22.04 | dmoerner | RobertSpencer, aptitude search ~prequired ~pimportant |
| 22:22.09 | htmlol | heh, I was just taking a wild guess at the factoid. I figured it must exist |
| 22:22.15 | jelly-home | phlux: oh well. kill it, verify it's dead, comment out the call of "invoke-rc.d dirnmgr stop" in the /var/lib/dpkg/info/dirmngr.prerm script, and do apt-get -f install again ;-) |
| 22:22.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | RobertSpencer, how so? apt takes care of the dependencies? So you just request what you want to remove? |
| 22:22.21 | ma10 | how do i find out irc names of debian developers? |
| 22:22.23 | htmlol | spanish was the first thing that came to mid |
| 22:22.24 | htmlol | mind* |
| 22:22.26 | jelly-home | phlux: oh, waiut |
| 22:22.37 | jelly-home | I missed the latest log |
| 22:22.41 | dmoerner | ma10, people.debian.org has a searchable form that includes irc info |
| 22:22.49 | ma10 | thanks |
| 22:23.15 | gasbag | yay! i installed lenny on my ancient imac dv. absolutely painless. |
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| 22:24.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | htmlol, what's still confusing me is that there is es and pt... without any apparent difference in the language (for the ignorant eye) |
| 22:24.18 | jelly-home | phlux: nothing much changed, so just hide that stop in prerm, make sure dirmngr isn't running, and see if apt will go further that way (it ought to) |
| 22:24.36 | pickcoder | portugese != spanish |
| 22:24.36 | dmoerner | CutMeOwnThroat, simple example: ayudar in es, ajudar in pt, for help |
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| 22:24.47 | jelly-home | phlux: (also, file bugs on dirmngr if not already there ;-) |
| 22:24.52 | phlux | jelly-home: it still complains about invoke-rc.d |
| 22:24.58 | phlux | I commented it out though..heh |
| 22:25.11 | htmlol | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, spanish and portugese are very similar |
| 22:25.51 | jelly-home | phlux: can you show it, is it a different script or in a different place? |
| 22:26.34 | jelly-home | ooh, I misread the log |
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| 22:26.47 | phlux | it's /var/lib/dpkg/info/dirmngr.prerm right? |
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| 22:26.54 | jelly-home | phlux: not any more |
| 22:26.57 | phlux | ah |
| 22:27.12 | jelly-home | phlux: it's the new package' postinst script now |
| 22:27.18 | phlux | ah, I see |
| 22:27.34 | phlux | so .postinst? |
| 22:27.52 | jelly-home | hm. |
| 22:28.03 | jelly-home | no, I'm tired |
| 22:29.02 | jelly-home | phlux: k. you're positive you've commented out invoke-rc.d dirmngr stop in prerm, and started apt-get -f install after that, and it failed? |
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| 22:29.10 | phlux | yes |
| 22:29.16 | phlux | still trying to invoke |
| 22:29.20 | jelly-home | phlux: can we see that log? |
| 22:30.08 | phlux | sure |
| 22:30.13 | stew | !dbugs 495437 |
| 22:30.16 | dpkg | #:N[#495437] ; |
| 22:30.30 | jelly-home | dpkg: you suck |
| 22:30.30 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 22:31.05 | brimstone | dmoerner: It is not currently possible to divide up /etc/network/interfaces into multiple files. A feature that would make this possible is some sort of inclusion directive. No such feature exists in |
| 22:31.07 | brimstone | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.16 | phlux | jelly-home: http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/binstall.log |
| 22:31.31 | dmoerner | brimstone, that's too bad. i was just giving general bash information and i presumed it would apply |
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| 22:32.10 | RobertSpencer | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm using aptitude and changed it's settings so that it installs as little as possible. Unfortunately I still can't uninstall xeyes without loosing a whole lot of stuff I want. There's an odd dependency somewhere. So I'll just back everything up and start from base. |
| 22:32.25 | jelly-home | phlux: can you see now what it does, where it fails and what else you should comment out? :-) |
| 22:32.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | RobertSpencer, also try apt-get if aptitude doesn't like it... sometimes they have different views... |
| 22:32.52 | stew | RobertSpencer: show us the output of "aptitude remove xeyes" |
| 22:33.25 | stew | RobertSpencer: likely its removing the xorg metapackage and wants to take other automatically installed things with it, in which case, you just need to mark some things as manually installed |
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| 22:33.36 | stew | apt-get would likely have the same issue |
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| 22:34.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | RobertSpencer, or use apt-cache show <package> | grep Dep to look through the dependencies yourself - you can always remove packages with dpkg -r and provide a solution with apt[itude|-get] install <needed-package> afterwards |
| 22:34.30 | phlux | jelly-home, let me take a look |
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| 22:35.03 | phlux | jelly-home: 'trying from the new package instead' |
| 22:35.11 | tona | iis there onw way to install gentoo in adell axim x51 |
| 22:35.12 | phlux | jelly-home: I assumes it wants me to change .postinst? |
| 22:35.13 | jelly-home | phlux: before that |
| 22:35.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, " likely its removing the xorg metapackage" - that sounds like artificial intelligence :) |
| 22:35.17 | _freebird | you guys, my computer is restarting without any reason, what can I do about it ? it just restarts, quad core, 2gb ram, debian etch, intel mother board |
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| 22:35.21 | _freebird | what can I do abouti it ? |
| 22:35.33 | _freebird | is there a log I can check ? |
| 22:35.41 | _freebird | to see what's going on ? |
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| 22:35.47 | civillian | _freebird: memtest86 |
| 22:35.49 | jelly-home | phlux: in the + output, there's something followed by a fatal "exit 143" |
| 22:35.50 | phlux | jelly-home: wants me to comment out /etc/init.d/dirmngr stop? |
| 22:35.57 | stew | tona: assuming you mean gentoo the distro and not gentoo the filemanager, you should be asking in #gentoo, not here |
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| 22:35.57 | jelly-home | phlux: yep |
| 22:35.59 | KiDFlaSh | i tried build kde4 |
| 22:36.07 | KiDFlaSh | for my debiansystem |
| 22:36.09 | tona | i mean debian |
| 22:36.11 | tona | sorry |
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| 22:36.19 | jelly-home | phlux: put a : on a new empty line after the commented command, too |
| 22:36.24 | tona | iis there onw way to install debian in adell axim x51 |
| 22:36.30 | _freebird | civillian how do I run that ? |
| 22:36.31 | stew | tona: /msg dpkg ig |
| 22:36.46 | civillian | _freebird: it's a bootable ISO |
| 22:36.54 | civillian | burn it to disc then boot from it |
| 22:36.59 | tona | stew what does it mean |
| 22:36.59 | phlux | YES! |
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| 22:37.08 | stew | dpkg: tell tona about ig |
| 22:37.11 | phlux | ahem |
| 22:37.13 | phlux | composes himself |
| 22:37.16 | phlux | thank you :) |
| 22:37.25 | s3a | i have a usb external hard drive but cant write to it? how can i make it writable? does it have anything to do with pmount.allow? |
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| 22:37.40 | phlux | jelly-home: next time, pizza is on me :P |
| 22:37.44 | stew | _freebird: "aptitude isntall memtest86+" and read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/memtest86+/README.Debian |
| 22:37.46 | pickcoder | mm pizza |
| 22:37.55 | _freebird | civillian is that present on a debian ISO cd ?? |
| 22:37.57 | phlux | jelly-home: or beer. whichever. |
| 22:37.57 | pickcoder | *growling stomach* |
| 22:38.01 | jelly-home | phlux: I'm sure you're going to have lots of fun with set -x and buggy scripts in the future. |
| 22:38.06 | stew | civillian: there is no reason to burn an iso, its a debian package as well |
| 22:38.07 | phlux | lol |
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| 22:38.28 | civillian | stew: cool! is it just as good? |
| 22:38.38 | stew | civillian: its the same software |
| 22:38.42 | civillian | stew: I'm a purist - no mem management while testing |
| 22:38.51 | _freebird | stew memtest86+ or without the plus ? what's the difference ? |
| 22:39.05 | jelly-home | phlux: real fun is when a perl or libc6 upgrade breaks. |
| 22:39.12 | _freebird | civillian I understand, but do you thinjk it works the same ? |
| 22:39.21 | stew | civillian: there wouldn't be any memory management running, it installs memtest86+ into grub as an alternative thing to boot instead of debian |
| 22:39.34 | civillian | stew: ahh, no probs then |
| 22:39.38 | jelly-home | phlux: this is pretty much normal for testing or sid |
| 22:39.44 | civillian | _freebird: yeh it would be the same |
| 22:39.47 | tona | iis there onw way to install debian in adell axim x51 |
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| 22:40.11 | stew | _freebird: memtest86+ is a fork of memtest86 which supports newer hardware |
| 22:40.15 | jelly-home | phlux: after apt-get -f install finshes successfully, you'll have to do a aptitude full-upgrade |
| 22:40.16 | civillian | _freebird: I don't use the + version - can't remember why |
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| 22:40.44 | stew | tona: likely you can. the install guide would list the minimum hardware specs which is rougly a 486 or better with at least 500mb HD and 64MB ram |
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| 22:42.35 | _freebird | stew have installed memtest86+ rebooted, and it's not at grub's manager screen, |
| 22:42.35 | _freebird | stew am I doin't right ? |
| 22:43.00 | jelly-home | _freebird: forgot to run update-grub? |
| 22:43.10 | _freebird | jelly-home yeah |
| 22:43.16 | _freebird | jelly-home tks |
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| 22:46.15 | BarnacleBob | so i have a weird problem i need help with. While i'm migrating from this completely crazy shared user setup here to a different sort of setup i want to create a seperate user with the same uid/gui as the current one to do some scripting with in preparation for the cutover, but when i login with this new user, debian finds the old user and logs me in as that and not the username i specified upon connecting (so things like |
| 22:46.16 | BarnacleBob | sudo/homedir/etc find that old user). i know i've done stuff like this before on redhat derivatives, how can i do it on debian? |
| 22:47.41 | jelly-home | BarnacleBob: the first username with the same uid will be used |
| 22:47.54 | BarnacleBob | hrm |
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| 22:48.01 | jelly-home | what are you trying to do? |
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| 22:49.06 | BarnacleBob | esentially i want to split the automated stuff into a different user/group so i can proceed with locking people out of the old user and not cause too many problems |
| 22:49.10 | RobertSpencer | stew: I can't show you the output of "aptitude remove xeyes" as the list is too long, but I'll follow your advice and that of dmoerner and CutMeOwnThroat. Thanks all. You've helped me alot. :-) |
| 22:49.15 | BarnacleBob | i can figure out something else |
| 22:49.25 | BarnacleBob | i can probably just use the same group and get away with it |
| 22:49.55 | _freebird | stew it says, file system is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 kernel /boot/memtest86+.bin error 28: Selected item cannot fit into memory press any key to continue |
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| 22:51.16 | jelly-home | BarnacleBob: with similar setups, we only allow people to log in as them, and then su or even sudo to the "auto", "oracle", "tomcat" or whatever user and do stuff that way |
| 22:51.22 | vilemaxim | I have a server acting weird. It takes a while to login, when I do it seems fine, but I cannot connect to any other server, i.e. apt-get update ping etc. Anyclue how I could figure out what is the problem. |
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| 22:51.51 | BarnacleBob | jelly-home exacly what i'm trying to set to. its currently setup as essentially everything runs as one user, that has full sudo, that everyone logs in as :( |
| 22:53.01 | jelly-home | BarnacleBob: well, you can open a whole bunch of accounts and give them first sudo to the old one, then gradually limit their actions |
| 22:53.18 | BarnacleBob | yeah thats my new plan. thanks for the help :) |
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| 22:56.06 | _freebird | it says, file system is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 kernel /boot/memtest86+.bin error 28: |
| 22:56.06 | _freebird | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.07 | _freebird | you guys, any ideas why I'm getting this error when I run memtest86 on grub's stage ?? it says, file system is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 kernel /boot/memtest86+.bin error 28: |
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| 22:56.36 | _freebird | sorry, pasted more than I should |
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| 22:57.56 | FunctorSalad | hmm, found nothing but an open bug report about this... any ideas? "E: Wow, you exceeded the number of versions this APT can handle." |
| 22:58.12 | abrotman | FunctorSalad: versions of what? |
| 22:58.16 | FunctorSalad | (after adding more things to my sources.list) |
| 22:58.28 | abrotman | FunctorSalad: uhm .. take things out? paste your sources.list |
| 22:58.36 | FunctorSalad | abrotman: this happened upon "apt-get update" |
| 22:58.53 | FunctorSalad | abrotman: it's probably the ubuntu reps I added in addition to the debian ones |
| 22:59.09 | jelly-home | FunctorSalad: ho-ho-ho |
| 22:59.12 | abrotman | yeah .. that was a bad idea in all kinds of ways |
| 22:59.26 | FunctorSalad | how so? |
| 22:59.39 | _freebird | stew are you there man ? |
| 22:59.40 | abrotman | mixing distros? does that really seem like a good idea to you? |
| 22:59.40 | jelly-home | hopefully you didn't install anything from those |
| 22:59.49 | FunctorSalad | I was just bored and wanted to see if there's anything interesting there |
| 23:00.01 | abrotman | bad plan |
| 23:00.11 | FunctorSalad | I was not planning on installing anything critical from the ubuntu rep |
| 23:00.20 | jelly-home | FunctorSalad: if subtle breakage of package management is interesting, then yes |
| 23:00.31 | abrotman | FunctorSalad: how about you go mix Fedora and SuSE and let us know what happens |
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| 23:01.31 | jelly-home | abrotman: possibly more like Fedora and RHEL |
| 23:01.41 | abrotman | hardly |
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| 23:02.09 | mmlj4 | scary |
| 23:02.12 | jelly-home | rhel actually has package versions still with "fc6" in 'em |
| 23:02.31 | jelly-home | so some have escaped unchanged |
| 23:02.47 | mmlj4 | i'd almost trust something like NetBSD's pkgsrc, because it only installs in /usr/pkg/ and wouldn't touch anything the base distro installs |
| 23:03.25 | mmlj4 | that or compiling from source, in /usr/local |
| 23:03.47 | jelly-home | /Program Files ! |
| 23:03.47 | FunctorSalad | I assumed "harmless" user applications wouldn't touch anything from the base either. |
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| 23:04.28 | dmoerner | the bigger question is what did you expect to find in ubuntu that's not in debian |
| 23:04.33 | jelly-home | FunctorSalad: they do bring in their own dependencies, and rely on ubuntu's dpkg and apt features that might not be present in debian |
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| 23:04.55 | FunctorSalad | dmoerner: nothing in particular, I just browse through the list when really bored ;) |
| 23:05.02 | abrotman | smart .. |
| 23:05.23 | jelly-home | only trusts dmm and maybe backports.org |
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| 23:18.48 | s3a | i have an external hard drive |
| 23:18.50 | s3a | how do i no |
| 23:18.55 | s3a | if its sdb sda hdb etc |
| 23:19.01 | abrotman | dmesg |
| 23:19.11 | abrotman | s3a: and it's "know" |
| 23:19.35 | s3a | abrotman: lol sorry for the shortcuts |
| 23:19.47 | abrotman | that's not a shortcut |
| 23:21.22 | jelly-home | s3a: label the partitions on it. use blkid or /dev/disk/by-label/, or use those ugly uuids |
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| 23:23.10 | phlux | jelly-home: you still there? :\ |
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| 23:24.13 | phlux | stew: you around? |
| 23:24.29 | jelly-home | phlux: barely |
| 23:24.36 | phlux | I've got a new issue.. |
| 23:24.42 | phlux | http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/cinstall.log |
| 23:24.49 | abrotman | phlux: ask the whole channel |
| 23:25.38 | abrotman | phlux: and dpkg --configure -a .. same thing ? |
| 23:25.48 | phlux | k, well I'm getting this when I issue 'apt-get -f install': http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/cinstall.log |
| 23:25.52 | phlux | Any ideas on what I should do? |
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| 23:26.24 | jelly-home | phlux: I have no idea of what purpose docbook-xml serves and where its configuration (.postinst) fails |
| 23:26.25 | dmoerner | phlux, hmmm it says that the issue is that the entity is already configured...if you want you can force this by commenting everything but exit 0 in /var/lib/dpkg/info/docbook-xml.postinst |
| 23:26.43 | abrotman | or just the line where it tries to register it |
| 23:26.56 | jelly-home | dmoerner: doing a blind "exit 0 " might be unsmart |
| 23:26.59 | phlux | I'll give it a shot, dmoerner |
| 23:27.35 | jelly-home | phlux: that will just shortcut the install script, leaving the package setup in a possibly weird state |
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| 23:27.44 | dmoerner | phlux, follow abrotman's advice of course there is no reason to comment out anything but the bad call |
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| 23:27.49 | streuner | !moo |
| 23:27.49 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 23:28.11 | abrotman | it's not even that it's really a bad call .. but it shouldn't freak out if it's already registered |
| 23:28.18 | jelly-home | phlux: I'd suggest debugging it the usual way and figuring out which specific command causes it |
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| 23:28.40 | s3a | i have an ntfs external hard drive and its read-only can sum1 help me be able to write to it? |
| 23:29.10 | jelly-home | phlux: (after messing with scripts, restart the configuration process with dpkg --configure -a) |
| 23:29.58 | phlux | I honestly can't find anything erroring out, jelly-home |
| 23:29.59 | abrotman | or he could just delete the offending entry |
| 23:30.18 | jelly-home | providing it can be easily identified |
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| 23:30.56 | phlux | I did the set -x, and got some output, but no errors it seems |
| 23:31.03 | cire | I know this is #debian not #knoppix, but only to not waste any more time by trying to get it work: was support for booting knoppix via pxe and nfs dropped in newer versions? Just don't get it to work... |
| 23:31.10 | abrotman | okay .. that postinst registers like 80 xml thingies :) |
| 23:31.22 | jelly-home | yay. |
| 23:31.24 | abrotman | cire: ask #knoppix or ##linux |
| 23:31.28 | dmoerner | cire, the first part of your question should answer the second part :) |
| 23:31.30 | streuner | cire: #knoppix |
| 23:32.47 | phlux | http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/dinstall.log |
| 23:33.55 | streuner | paste that stuff into paste.debian.net |
| 23:34.03 | streuner | not somewhere else |
| 23:34.14 | jelly-home | streuner: eh, why? |
| 23:34.22 | phlux | hard for me to do that at the moment |
| 23:34.22 | streuner | because! |
| 23:34.49 | phlux | I don't see any error there, jelly |
| 23:35.00 | jelly-home | + update-xmlcatalog --add --type public --id '-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.1//EN' --package docbook-xml --local /usr/share/xml/docbook/schema/dtd/catalog.xml |
| 23:35.00 | jelly-home | update-xmlcatalog: error: entity already registered |
| 23:35.14 | phlux | the fuh |
| 23:35.15 | abrotman | just comment out all the update-xmlcatalog lines ... yay |
| 23:35.22 | phlux | LOL |
| 23:35.29 | phlux | greeeeeeeeeat. |
| 23:35.35 | phlux | is this specific to my system? |
| 23:35.38 | jelly-home | maybe they do something useful. |
| 23:35.48 | rightbrain | Hi! Is there an open source flash alternative that is in the etch packages by default.. I notice gnash isn't? |
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| 23:36.36 | jelly-home | I would be shrewd and do something like update-xmlcatalog --REMOVE ...., then let the script run again. |
| 23:37.10 | phlux | good idea |
| 23:37.55 | jelly-home | my english synonyms and idioms database is failing, bedtime |
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| 23:38.39 | abrotman | jelly-home: he'd have to change them all to -del instead of -add |
| 23:38.59 | jelly-home | not all of them, just those failing |
| 23:40.04 | jelly-home | maybe some of the files namespaces or whatevers clash; in that case it's a real bug that needs to be solved |
| 23:40.28 | abrotman | you don't know which are failing ? |
| 23:40.35 | abrotman | oh .. i see .. you do |
| 23:40.39 | phlux | aha |
| 23:40.41 | phlux | fixed it jelly |
| 23:40.46 | jelly-home | abrotman: we don't know why |
| 23:40.54 | phlux | using update-xmlcatalog --del ... |
| 23:40.55 | abrotman | you do |
| 23:40.59 | phlux | had to do it for two entries. |
| 23:41.00 | phlux | :D |
| 23:41.02 | abrotman | it tells you it's already in the system |
| 23:41.05 | phlux | but now it's working |
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| 23:41.14 | abrotman | phlux: uhm .. you didn't want to delete them permanently |
| 23:41.33 | jelly-home | phlux: you have script logs for everything and will report the bugs, right? :-) |
| 23:41.56 | jelly-home | abrotman: I suggested doing --del manually, then rerunning the script |
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| 23:42.15 | abrotman | i didn't say that! |
| 23:42.27 | jelly-home | hopefully that's what phlux's done |
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| 23:42.50 | phlux | jelly-home: I sure will |
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| 23:43.42 | jelly-home | abrotman: it's pretty much like when "init.d foo stop" fails when the daemon is already dead... the simplest thing to do is start it first, then continue with installation ;-) |
| 23:44.03 | abrotman | jelly-home: yeah .. but he should register those DTDs or whatever is fialing |
| 23:44.21 | jelly-home | if he removed them first then ran the script, 's all ok |
| 23:44.43 | jelly-home | (they were readded in the script |
| 23:44.59 | jelly-home | s/were/would have been/ |
| 23:45.22 | jelly-home | see, now the tenses are failing too. |
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| 23:48.30 | abrotman | heh |
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| 23:50.27 | phlux | having problems booting into the latest kernel, but I'm not even gonna touch that one right now. |
| 23:50.39 | phlux | aptitude is FINALLY caught up with dist-upgrade. |
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| 23:50.43 | phlux | and I am on lenny. |
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| 23:52.17 | abrotman | kind of :) |
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| 23:53.12 | phlux | kind of? |
| 23:53.17 | phlux | what do I have to do now? |
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| 23:58.35 | phlux | hmm.. does apt-get install fglrx-driver not install the real driver? |
| 23:58.57 | phlux | I have 'fglrx' as my driver in xorg.conf, but glxinfo is saying my driver in mesa.. |
| 23:59.21 | simNIX | did you restarted X ? |
| 23:59.23 | phlux | s/in/is |
| 23:59.23 | dmoerner | phlux, do you have the kernel-level module built correctly? |
| 23:59.26 | phlux | Yes, I did. |
| 23:59.35 | phlux | dmoerner: No, I must not. |
| 23:59.40 | phlux | Don't know how |
| 23:59.46 | dmoerner | !ati |
| 23:59.46 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>. |
| 23:59.53 | phlux | thanks |
| 23:59.58 | dmoerner | dpkg, tell phlux -about fglrx |