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| 00:06.11 | Flinx1 | do you guys ban Mibbit users entirely? >.< |
| 00:06.21 | Flinx1 | cause I just tried logging on through the site and it failed |
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| 00:07.28 | avu | Flinx1, yes, see /mode +b |
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| 00:07.42 | pysco | no +b |
| 00:07.53 | avu | what? |
| 00:07.59 | Flinx | ah |
| 00:08.01 | Flinx | gotcha :D |
| 00:08.03 | pysco | who +b |
| 00:08.06 | avu | that's what you type to see the bans |
| 00:08.13 | pysco | sus amýna koyarým |
| 00:08.23 | avu | -ELANG |
| 00:08.29 | pysco | ;) |
| 00:08.49 | Flinx | ah |
| 00:09.16 | Flinx | anyways, can you guys point me in the right direction for finding Filesystem help? |
| 00:09.36 | dmoerner | Flinx, you will have to be a bit more specific |
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| 00:09.59 | Flinx | I'm giving up on trying to get ntfs-3g working in etch, so I'm going to try getting ext2 working in Windows ;) |
| 00:10.08 | mmlj4 | Flinx: -rf flags rock |
| 00:10.22 | Flinx | -rf ? |
| 00:10.30 | mmlj4 | inside joke |
| 00:10.31 | avu | !tell Flinx about ntfs-3g |
| 00:10.48 | Flinx | avu: I've already tried it a bunch of times |
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| 00:11.01 | Flinx | its currently installed and not working very well |
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| 00:11.13 | avu | Flinx, well, the other thing (getting ext2 working on windows), is quite offtopic here |
| 00:11.50 | Flinx | avu: I know |
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| 00:12.15 | Flinx | I'm tring to find where it would be on topic |
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| 00:12.24 | Flinx | and you are all smart people ;) |
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| 00:12.58 | avu | well, asking about which channel is right for your offtopic question is offtopic, too, this is not a freenode yellow pages channel ;-) |
| 00:13.13 | avu | (also, I have no idea, try ##windows perhaps?) |
| 00:13.27 | Flinx | I'll keep lookin on my own. |
| 00:13.43 | Flinx | I needed to log in here anyways, but I figured I would ask just in case. |
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| 00:14.16 | dmoerner | !windows ext2 |
| 00:14.17 | dpkg | This is #Debian, ext2, not #bungholes! |
| 00:14.31 | avu | heh |
| 00:14.34 | Flinx | ....? |
| 00:14.41 | kanzure | Anybody know of a livecd with a wiki pre-installed? |
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| 00:15.32 | avu | kanzure, debian doesn't have official live cds at all, but you can build such a cd yourself using live-helper |
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| 00:15.49 | Flinx | aaaaanyways... my -real- question for coming here is... Are there Lenny ISO's availible? |
| 00:15.58 | Flinx | unstable as they may be? |
| 00:16.04 | mmlj4 | i installed from one |
| 00:16.06 | avu | Flinx, yes. |
| 00:16.11 | Flinx | kay |
| 00:16.11 | avu | Flinx, see the d-i pages |
| 00:16.13 | dondelelcaro | Flinx: there are dailies/weeklies around |
| 00:16.33 | Flinx | *nods* |
| 00:16.50 | Flinx | I been lookin all over the website for them, but haven't seen anything yet. : / |
| 00:16.57 | avu | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:17.59 | Flinx | oh der... |
| 00:18.54 | Flinx | marks his skill level to noob |
| 00:18.57 | Flinx | thanks :D |
| 00:19.34 | Flinx | My brains are really scrambled today >.< |
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| 00:22.11 | Flinx | I'm gona go play wtih lenny now, Thanks again :D |
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| 00:37.26 | Lycurgus | Lenny doesn't support floppy boot? Can't find images for same. |
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| 00:39.14 | Sling | Lycurgus : not for i386 no |
| 00:39.28 | Lycurgus | thanks Sling. |
| 00:39.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | when will lenny release? |
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| 00:40.18 | Lycurgus | when it's ready. |
| 00:40.20 | Sling | early september is the target |
| 00:40.26 | Sling | so soon :) |
| 00:40.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | : ) |
| 00:41.12 | Sling | its already frozen, only last fixes now |
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| 00:41.38 | Lycurgus | i'm trying to boot from usb, which works up to the point where the kernel trys to access the normal fd controller. Is there a workaround for this? |
| 00:41.39 | avu | erm, take a look at how long other releases spent in 'frozen mode'.. :) |
| 00:41.47 | Lycurgus | *tries |
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| 00:42.39 | Lycurgus | (i.e. parameters to boot, etc.) |
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| 00:43.06 | Sling | Lycurgus Lycurgus : INSTALL_MEDIA_DEV=/dev/<yourdevhere> |
| 00:43.47 | Lycurgus | hmm, worth a try. Not sure what the device is but will try what works on the system where the floppy created.. |
| 00:44.35 | Sling | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.2 |
| 00:44.38 | Sling | check this otherwise |
| 00:44.54 | Sling | floppy=debug could be usefull if you want to know whats going on |
| 00:45.14 | Lycurgus | yeah, I saw those, I don't think they're relevant to the usb situation. |
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| 00:50.33 | linux2 | hi, does anyone here know how I can setup my computer so that ppp0 forwards internet through a dhcp server on this computer which assigns ip addresses through eth1. I can seem to have the other computers connected to this one via the dhcp server get an IP address, but I cannot get them to connect to the internet. It appears that whenever I bring eth1 up it decides to use it as the default device as I have to bring it down to get back on the |
| 00:50.33 | linux2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:52.19 | Lycurgus | normally you need two adapters |
| 00:52.40 | Lycurgus | and to enable ip_forrwarrding for the other |
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| 00:53.05 | Lycurgus | that's the way I've always done it and currently do on a couple of hosts |
| 00:53.24 | linux2 | Lycurgus: humm... how do you do that? |
| 00:53.34 | Lycurgus | enable ip formwarding generally |
| 00:54.01 | Lycurgus | the one adaper is set up normally for dhcp, the local one manually configured with a static address |
| 00:54.19 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 00:54.19 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 00:54.20 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:54.20 | s3a | can sum1 help me allow my ntfs usb hard drive to have write capabilities? |
| 00:54.21 | Lycurgus | but you must have two adapters |
| 00:54.29 | abrotman | his question is mildly confusing .. but okay |
| 00:55.14 | Lycurgus | you have to have a kernel with NTFS write enabled |
| 00:56.23 | Lycurgus | is floppy boot not going to be supported for lenny on x86 at all? |
| 00:56.38 | abrotman | s3a: maybe you should try asking in english |
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| 00:56.51 | s3a | abrotman: lol sry again im so used to msn talk |
| 00:57.00 | s3a | abrotman: oops |
| 00:57.01 | abrotman | i'm not sure that's an excuse |
| 00:57.03 | s3a | abrotman: again |
| 00:57.19 | Lycurgus | this SO isn't msn. |
| 00:57.19 | s3a | abrotman: ok ill make a bigger effort |
| 00:57.28 | stew | !irritate abrotman |
| 00:57.28 | dpkg | abrotman: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ????? |
| 00:57.43 | s3a | lol |
| 00:57.51 | abrotman | pretty much |
| 00:58.05 | Lycurgus | has some ideas for imagery to go with "debina". |
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| 00:59.24 | s3a | Lycurgus: i have etch and etch and a half |
| 01:00.00 | Lycurgus | should I report the situation with usb floppy boot someplace? |
| 01:00.08 | s3a | my ntfs usb write problem (nobody answered) --> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=170842#170842 |
| 01:00.35 | PiousMinion | Does anyone know if there are any opensource screensavers that are 3d in the sense that you need a pair of 3d glasses? OR any type of app like this? |
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| 01:00.56 | zinx | ioq3 supports anaglyph rendering, i believe |
| 01:01.01 | Agrajag- | ioquake3 has stereographic support |
| 01:01.08 | PiousMinion | no way. lol |
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| 01:01.14 | zinx | way. |
| 01:01.18 | Lagbolt | s3a, you need to tell it to use ntfs-3g, hang on i think i know a link |
| 01:01.34 | s3a | Lagbolt: read my forum post |
| 01:01.43 | PiousMinion | zinx: is that the red/blue glasses or what looks like polarized glasses? |
| 01:01.48 | s3a | Lagbolt: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=170842#170842 |
| 01:01.51 | Lagbolt | s3a, you want to use ntfs-3g with pmount right? |
| 01:01.59 | zinx | PiousMinion: red/blue. polarized requires a special screen / projection |
| 01:02.07 | Agrajag- | PiousMinion: i know it supports red/green glasses, i think it also supports those other kind too |
| 01:02.13 | s3a | Lagbolt: well anything i just want it to work but i attempted pmount ya |
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| 01:02.27 | zinx | s3a: i don't think it will automatically use ntfs-3g |
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| 01:02.33 | Lagbolt | s3a http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_NTFS_write_with_ntfs-3g |
| 01:02.38 | Lagbolt | s3a, scroll to section 3.3 |
| 01:03.06 | Lagbolt | s3a works for me. but make sure you are backing up data!!! ntfs-3g can damage the files |
| 01:03.08 | zinx | s3a: the kernel has a built-in module with automatic filesystem detection, i don't think ntfs-3g can do that due to it being a FUSE module |
| 01:03.30 | linux3 | ok since I got disconnected and I don't know what anyone else saw I am going to repost, sorry about the length |
| 01:03.33 | linux3 | hi, does anyone here know how I can setup my computer so that ppp0 forwards internet through a dhcp server on this computer which assigns ip addresses through eth1. I can seem to have the other computers connected to this one via the dhcp server get an IP address, but I cannot get them to connect to the internet. It appears that whenever I bring eth1 up it decides to use it as the default device as I have to bring it down to get back on the |
| 01:03.33 | linux3 | internet on this local machine, any ideas? |
| 01:03.52 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 01:03.52 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 01:04.10 | linux3 | If I bring up eth1 every application tries to route traffic through eth1 instead of through ppp0 |
| 01:04.14 | linux3 | that is my main problem |
| 01:04.28 | zinx | linux3: eth1 has a separate DHCP server on it? |
| 01:04.46 | PiousMinion | s3a: Are you specifying "ntfs-3g" as the filesystem type when you mount? |
| 01:04.47 | linux3 | zinx: yes. ppp0 is connected to sprint wireless internet |
| 01:04.51 | phlux | I installed compiz, and have the latest ATI Drivers, but compiz complains that Xgl is not present. Any ideas? |
| 01:04.56 | linux3 | zinx: and eth1 is the dhcp server |
| 01:05.03 | zinx | linux3: you need to not use dhcp on the machine that's masquerading |
| 01:05.09 | s3a | PiousMinion: no i just apt-got that package from backports |
| 01:05.25 | zinx | linux3: i.e., in /etc/network/interfaces (you should still run the dhcp server, just not the client on that machine) |
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| 01:05.41 | zinx | linux3: use static configuration of the eth1 interface |
| 01:05.43 | linux3 | zinx: well if I enable any other network device all applications attempt to route traffic through it |
| 01:05.58 | zinx | linux3: if you use dhcp it will set a default route |
| 01:06.04 | PiousMinion | s3a: If "ntfs-3g" is not specified as the filesystem type it will default to regular "ntfs" which doesn't have write support. |
| 01:06.13 | linux3 | zinx: yes or so I thought |
| 01:06.34 | s3a | PiousMinion: so how do i specify it? |
| 01:06.34 | zinx | linux3: don't set a gateway or default route on the router's eth1 |
| 01:06.43 | linux3 | zinx: ok I will give it a try |
| 01:06.57 | PiousMinion | s3a: well, I don't have experience with "pmount", but with mount I use: -t ntfs-3g |
| 01:06.58 | Lagbolt | s3a, just read the link i sent. i use it on all my macines and it uses ntfs-3g by default |
| 01:07.29 | Lagbolt | s3a, all you need is to add the policy.fdi file and it works |
| 01:07.36 | s3a | PiousMinion: so just doing "-t ntfs-3g" each time in terminal will make it work? |
| 01:07.47 | linux3 | zinx: here goes, hopefully I won't be disconnected |
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| 01:08.52 | linux3 | zinx: so far so good |
| 01:08.58 | PiousMinion | s3a: Well, "-t ntfs-3g" along with all the other options yes. e.g: pmount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt/mydisk |
| 01:09.00 | zinx | linux3: :D |
| 01:09.29 | PiousMinion | s3a: but agaim, I've never used "pmount" before |
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| 01:09.39 | s3a | PiousMinion: wait wat do you mean along with all the other options |
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| 01:09.59 | s3a | PiousMinion: do i do the first or second or both commands? |
| 01:10.00 | PiousMinion | s3a: what is the normal command you use to mount using pmount? |
| 01:10.07 | linux2 | zinx: didn't work |
| 01:10.17 | linux2 | :q |
| 01:10.19 | zinx | linux2: took out your default route over ppp0? |
| 01:10.28 | linux2 | zinx: yeah |
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| 01:10.44 | linux2 | zinx: every single other network device does |
| 01:10.50 | linux2 | eth1 or eth2 |
| 01:10.50 | s3a | PiousMinion: well i dont have to deal with this in ubuntu especially since gutsy geting ntfs-3g made it just work so ive never rely done this in debian |
| 01:10.53 | zinx | linux2: please pastebin /etc/network/interfaces and the output from ''ip route list'' while it's working and while it's broken |
| 01:11.05 | dvs | I'm having network problems with Lenny. Starting about two days ago, whenever I try to start Debian, its network connection would go down on startup. I'm using the skge driver. |
| 01:11.17 | linux2 | zinx: ok. I will have to disconnect for a second to get it while it is broken |
| 01:11.21 | s3a | PiousMinion: i only put debian cuz i wanted something more stable and something that wouldnt break on a disto upgrade |
| 01:11.26 | zinx | linux2: that's ok |
| 01:11.37 | PiousMinion | s3a: right, but you said you have already tried and it mounted read only. What command did you try? |
| 01:12.13 | s3a | PiousMinion: o that well it automounted i guess, cuz i just went on desktop and double clicked "250 GB Ext." which is what i called my usb hard drive |
| 01:12.53 | PiousMinion | s3a: Well.... that's a horse of a different color. |
| 01:13.33 | Lagbolt | s3a, can i ask why you are ignoring what i said? edit one file, and you are done. ntfs-3g :) it will work with automounting, pmount, exo-mount what ever you want |
| 01:13.35 | s3a | PiousMinion: well i also did wat i said here --> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=170842#170842 |
| 01:13.36 | abrotman | oh ffs .. epiphany is getting worse and worse |
| 01:13.46 | PiousMinion | Lagbolt said he gave you a link that would make it automatically use ntfs-3g instead of ntfs by default... unless I read that wrong. |
| 01:13.51 | s3a | Lagbolt: lol because it looked hard |
| 01:13.59 | Lagbolt | isnt that what he wanted? |
| 01:14.04 | PiousMinion | yeah |
| 01:14.24 | Lagbolt | so by saying yeah you mean he wants it auto or doesnt? lol |
| 01:14.28 | PiousMinion | editing one file is hard? My next suggestion would be a LOT harder. :P |
| 01:14.39 | PiousMinion | Lagbolt: he wants it auto. :) |
| 01:14.50 | abrotman | #ubuntu is down the alphabet |
| 01:14.52 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:15.07 | Lagbolt | s3a, if you dont want to edit a file then maybe you should use ubuntu :) |
| 01:15.11 | linux2 | zinx: ok now it didn't take over the default route for some reason |
| 01:15.32 | s3a | Lagbolt: im actually trying to dump ubuntu for debian |
| 01:15.36 | Lagbolt | s3a, i can pastebin the file for you |
| 01:15.45 | Lagbolt | all you have to do is put it in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ |
| 01:15.54 | s3a | Lagbolt: wait thats it?!?! |
| 01:15.55 | Lagbolt | and restart dbus or hal, |
| 01:15.57 | linux2 | zinx: http://pastebin.ca/1179240 |
| 01:15.58 | Lagbolt | YES |
| 01:16.11 | linux2 | zinx: ok that was it working and not working |
| 01:16.12 | Lagbolt | section 3.3 of that link i sent you |
| 01:16.21 | s3a | Lagbolt: lol ok so wat do i copy in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ ? |
| 01:16.38 | s3a | Lagbolt: ok wait 2 seconds |
| 01:16.47 | Lagbolt | s3a, http://pastebin.com/m5f061334 <-- that is the file |
| 01:16.49 | PiousMinion | smacks his forehead. |
| 01:17.07 | Lagbolt | put it in that dir i just said and restart dbus |
| 01:17.30 | zinx | linux2: you need to supply an IP/netmask for eth1, see the static section in man 5 interfaces |
| 01:18.10 | zinx | linux2: and remember that you can't use dhcp configuration for that interface on the dhcp server for that interface ;) |
| 01:18.58 | zinx | linux2: i think you just add "address 192.168.0.1" and "netmask 255.255.255.0" under it, but i'm not certain |
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| 01:20.01 | linux2 | zinx: ok. and then I should just restart the dhcp server? |
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| 01:20.39 | zinx | linux2: you can |
| 01:20.58 | zinx | linux2: you should make sure the DHCP server doesn't try to give out 192.168.0.1 to clients |
| 01:21.18 | zinx | linux2: by setting the range to start above .1 or whatever |
| 01:21.21 | linux2 | zinx: so eth1 should also be brought up with ifconfig eth1 up |
| 01:21.26 | zinx | linux2: yes |
| 01:21.33 | zinx | linux2: erh no |
| 01:21.37 | zinx | linux2: ifup eth1 |
| 01:21.54 | zinx | linux2: ifconfig is for lowlevel stuff, doesn't use /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:22.07 | linux2 | zinx: ok so now it has the ip of 192.168.0.1 |
| 01:22.07 | s3a | Lagbolt: wait did u confuse /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ for /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-ntfs-policy.fdi ? |
| 01:22.17 | linux2 | zinx: so I will go and try restarting the dhcp server |
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| 01:22.58 | Lagbolt | no i didnt |
| 01:23.00 | Lagbolt | one is a dir |
| 01:23.02 | Lagbolt | one is a file |
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| 01:23.27 | Lagbolt | s3a, 10-ntfs-policy.fdi is the filename of the file i pastebin'ed that you put into the policy dir |
| 01:23.57 | JordiGH | My mom is using Iceweasel, and mailto:links confuse her, because they open up Evolution. Since she uses Hotmail, is there a way to make the mailto: links open up the proper page in Hotmail? |
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| 01:24.01 | s3a | Lagbolt: so i gedit /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-ntfs-policy.fdi then? |
| 01:24.14 | linux3 | zinx: well that didn't work |
| 01:24.26 | zinx | linux3: you'll have to be more specific |
| 01:24.33 | linux3 | zinx: ifup eth1 disconnected me from the internet as everything made an attempt to go through eth1 instead of ppp0 |
| 01:24.49 | zinx | linux3: did you get the output from 'ip route list'? |
| 01:25.00 | Lagbolt | s3a, yes |
| 01:25.00 | linux3 | no, but I will do it again and be right back |
| 01:25.48 | linux3 | zinx: well ifup eth1 brought to device up |
| 01:26.00 | linux3 | zinx: but it didn't give it an IP address |
| 01:26.10 | linux3 | zinx: unlike last time. so I don't know what to make of that |
| 01:26.17 | zinx | linux3: something's wrong w/ the /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 01:28.08 | linux4 | zinx: ok here is the info |
| 01:28.12 | linux4 | zinx: http://pastebin.ca/1179250 |
| 01:28.35 | zinx | linux4: hmm, your default route disappeared somehow |
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| 01:28.51 | linux4 | zinx: yeah, and it takes a minute for it to happen as well |
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| 01:29.05 | zinx | linux4: and eth1 has an avahi address or something |
| 01:29.07 | linux4 | zinx: also eth1 obtained that random IP address |
| 01:29.20 | zinx | linux4: make sure nothing called avahi is starting |
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| 01:29.30 | zinx | (and stop it / make sure it doesn't start again if it is) |
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| 01:29.43 | Slashx | I need help with aptitude |
| 01:30.06 | Slashx | I want it to install a binary in my home directory. |
| 01:30.10 | linux4 | zinx: ok avahi was running, I shut it down and it isn't starting again |
| 01:30.14 | JordiGH | Slashx: aptitude won't do that. |
| 01:30.22 | Slashx | Oh |
| 01:30.22 | zinx | linux4: but it probably will when you reboot |
| 01:30.30 | ahmos | hi people ... does anyone know a good languages translator |
| 01:30.35 | linux4 | zinx: not a major concern for me at the moment |
| 01:30.36 | Slashx | http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Wiifuse#Download |
| 01:30.37 | abrotman | Slashx: which version of debian ? |
| 01:30.45 | Slashx | Not using debian |
| 01:30.48 | JordiGH | Slashx: What you can do is manually extra a .deb into your home directory. |
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| 01:30.50 | Slashx | I am using Debian programs |
| 01:31.14 | Slashx | http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Wiifuse#Download |
| 01:31.21 | Slashx | I am trying to download the binaries there. |
| 01:31.49 | abrotman | Slashx: if you're not using debian .. ask the channel for your distro |
| 01:31.51 | JordiGH | Slashx: If you're not using Debian, then you're in the wrong channel. If you are not using Debian, then there is no guarantee that you're using Debian programs. |
| 01:32.17 | Slashx | abrotman |
| 01:32.21 | Slashx | No one is on Pclinuxos |
| 01:32.23 | JordiGH | Slashx: Even if they *claim* to be Debian programs, they may be modified. It's in your best interest to ask elsewhere. |
| 01:32.27 | abrotman | Slashx: so ask ##linux |
| 01:32.32 | ahmos | slashx r u using kubuntu or something |
| 01:32.39 | Slashx | look above |
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| 01:32.58 | abrotman | Slashx: not our problem .. ask #pclinuxos or ##linux |
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| 01:33.07 | JordiGH | wonders if #freebsd gets people using Mac OS X asking for help. |
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| 01:33.34 | stew | JordiGH: please ask freebsd questions in #freebsd :p |
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| 01:34.00 | abrotman | some day .. someone from ##linux is going to beat me up |
| 01:34.00 | JordiGH | stew: Must be nice to be ontopic. :-) |
| 01:34.22 | ahmos | does anyone know a good languages translator plz |
| 01:34.36 | abrotman | babelfish ? |
| 01:34.37 | JordiGH | ahmos: I can translate a few languages. What do you need? |
| 01:34.49 | WormFood | I can tell you google is NOT a good language translator.....I've had it give me the exact opposite of what someone said |
| 01:35.44 | ahmos | i need english and french and arabic |
| 01:36.43 | JordiGH | I have no idea how automatic translation will overcome problems like distinguishing "We gave the monkeys the bananas because they were hungry" and "We gave the monkeys the bananas because they were over-ripe" |
| 01:37.10 | JordiGH | ahmos: I can do French to English easily and limited English to French. :-) |
| 01:37.26 | abrotman | JordiGH: you're not a program |
| 01:37.37 | JordiGH | abrotman: He asked for a translator, wasn't very specific. |
| 01:37.48 | ahmos | ok what is it |
| 01:37.50 | abrotman | then it really has nothing to do with #debian |
| 01:38.10 | ahmos | ha ha ha |
| 01:38.35 | ahmos | :D |
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| 01:39.01 | JordiGH | is surprised that there doesn't seem to be any natural language automatic translation in Debian. Is this the sort of thing people don't release? |
| 01:39.16 | JordiGH | The natural language processing community seems to be stupidly secretive about their code. |
| 01:39.38 | ahmos | ohh |
| 01:39.50 | phlux | Any of you know anything about cairo? |
| 01:40.04 | abrotman | !vague |
| 01:40.04 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 01:40.04 | ahmos | which cairo |
| 01:40.06 | phlux | I can't run several programs because the module isn't installed, but I have pycairo installed.. |
| 01:40.10 | zinx | JordiGH: it is indeed the sort of thing people don't release. you're lucky if you can even license it from someone, and if you can it's for exorbitant fees |
| 01:40.18 | phlux | can't run ccsm, or awn-manager |
| 01:40.34 | JordiGH | zinx: This is stupid. Natural language processing isn't different from any other science. Someone ought to clobber that community over the head. |
| 01:40.51 | abrotman | JordiGH: if it's not .. why don't you code a free one ? |
| 01:41.06 | zinx | JordiGH: a lot of scientific stuff is like that, it's only recently starting to become more open |
| 01:41.52 | phlux | any ideas, ahmos? |
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| 01:42.08 | ahmos | one moment phlux |
| 01:42.12 | abrotman | phlux: how about showing us an actual error ? |
| 01:42.14 | JordiGH | zinx: I guess I don't get it. In mathematics, the last time it was that except for recent times was with the Italians who wouldn't release their method for solving cubics or quartics. |
| 01:42.33 | JordiGH | That was in the 16th century. |
| 01:42.37 | JordiGH | We're back to the middle ages. |
| 01:42.39 | JordiGH | </rant> |
| 01:42.41 | abrotman | it is mathematics |
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| 01:42.56 | JordiGH | abrotman: Not my field, but I can tell what they're doing is stupid anyways. |
| 01:44.09 | abrotman | phlux: getting an error ? |
| 01:44.37 | k-man | hello |
| 01:44.49 | jpinx | in Gnome on Etchnhalf I am unable to empty the .Trash folder in X and it shows as empty by ls -al. Anyone know about this? |
| 01:45.00 | k-man | is there some tool that can monitor the data usage of rsync? |
| 01:45.05 | phlux | looks like I have to reinstall py-cairo |
| 01:45.15 | phlux | which means I have to reinstall every single python program on the box |
| 01:45.21 | k-man | err, as in how much data the rsync process is downloading? |
| 01:45.44 | abrotman | k-man: IIRC it shows you at the end when it's done |
| 01:45.54 | abrotman | jpinx: do you own all the files in the trash ? |
| 01:45.58 | phlux | got it |
| 01:46.07 | phlux | apt-get --reinstall install python-cairo |
| 01:46.17 | stew | phlux: why does reinstalling py-cairo mean you have to reinstall every single python program on the box? |
| 01:46.25 | jpinx | abrotman: yes |
| 01:46.27 | ahmos | ok try it phlux |
| 01:46.37 | phlux | stew: Figured it would, but doing --reinstall fixed the problem, and everything seems to be fine |
| 01:46.44 | abrotman | jpinx: but if you empty the trash .. it stays ? |
| 01:46.51 | ahmos | good |
| 01:46.51 | JordiGH | Btw, for communicating with someone in China, a Windows user, is there a program we could both use to chat (text) over an encrypted channel? Debian on this side, I mean, Windows on that side. |
| 01:47.15 | mmlj4 | does silc run on windows? |
| 01:47.20 | abrotman | JordiGH: pidgin ? |
| 01:47.26 | JordiGH | abrotman: Which protocol? |
| 01:47.32 | abrotman | the good one |
| 01:47.37 | JordiGH | Uh, xmpp? |
| 01:47.43 | jpinx | abrotman: ls -al tells me "total 8" but lists nothing |
| 01:47.54 | jpinx | in X it shows various folders |
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| 01:48.02 | abrotman | jpinx: full command and full output .. pastebin |
| 01:48.16 | jpinx | ok |
| 01:48.42 | k-man | abrotman: actually, i didn't phrase my question very well, i run some scripts that do various tasks for the backup, i want to double check the data usage as it seems to have blown out my monthly data quoata, so i'm looking for a tool that could monitor the whole process somehow |
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| 01:50.01 | abrotman | k-man: pretty sure rsync tells you at the end what it transferred .. but i'm not sure what you mean by 'data usage' |
| 01:50.18 | JordiGH | jpinx: Uhm, the total doesn't refer to total number of files. It's got something to do with inodes, I think. |
| 01:50.38 | jpinx | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1179269 |
| 01:51.01 | JordiGH | jpinx: ls's manual says that "total" refers to the number of blocks used in that directory. Pointing to top directories takes up a few blocks. |
| 01:51.03 | abrotman | why would you use sudo for that ? |
| 01:51.05 | jpinx | JordiGH: in X i can see various empty folders |
| 01:51.27 | abrotman | jpinx: inside the Trash can ? |
| 01:51.28 | jpinx | abrotman: in case of permission conflicts |
| 01:51.34 | abrotman | it's your trash can |
| 01:51.57 | JordiGH | wonders wtf would put stuff in the .Trash that doesn't belong to the user. |
| 01:52.15 | abrotman | JordiGH: sudo mv foo .Trash/foo |
| 01:52.27 | JordiGH | abrotman: Yeah, why would you do that? |
| 01:52.35 | abrotman | JordiGH: you use kde .. why would you do that? |
| 01:52.40 | JordiGH | jpinx: You mean in Gnome you see stuff in the trash? |
| 01:52.41 | abrotman | anyways |
| 01:53.14 | JordiGH | jpinx: Gnome lists stuff in the Trash that may be in other drives. Do you have a pendrive or an external drive mounted? |
| 01:53.32 | jpinx | ok - I gives me errors on empty. Error "File exists" while deleting "/file/..... I skip it When I right click it in Gnome it shows me the empty folders |
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| 01:53.57 | jpinx | JordiGH: yes - you might well be onto something here |
| 01:53.59 | JordiGH | jpinx: Is this on an external drive? |
| 01:54.29 | jpinx | JordiGH: yes - but how to delete them? |
| 01:54.30 | JordiGH | jpinx: Are you trying to empty a USB pendrive or something? Gnome has the annoying habit (borrowed from Mac OS X, I think) of moving stuff to the pendrive's .Trash instead of actually deleting it. |
| 01:54.59 | jpinx | I've looked in the drives .Trash - it's empty |
| 01:55.20 | JordiGH | jpinx: What you can do is hit Shift+Del instead of Del to delete them, or enable a context menu to delete instead of move to trash. |
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| 01:56.00 | JordiGH | Also, you may tell Gnome to empty the global trash. That may also empty the external drives' trash. |
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| 01:57.24 | jpinx | JordiGH: thanks for the pointers -- I'll work on that |
| 01:58.19 | JordiGH | The context menu option is somewhere in the Nautilus preferences. |
| 01:58.40 | jpinx | JordiGH: looking... |
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| 02:00.11 | cire | I have a little script which uses a configuration file "config" which is read from my script using ". ./config", so that all vars are available inside the script. Now, I'd like to modify some settings in that file. What is the appropriate way to do this? (e.g. change "DIR=foo" to "DIR=bar") |
| 02:01.00 | jpinx | JordiGH: when you talk about hitting "shift-delete" in what context? |
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| 02:02.44 | JordiGH | jpinx: For instance, in Nautilus, you can select a bunch of files and hit shift+del to delete them at once. |
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| 02:03.30 | JordiGH | jpinx: If you just hit delete, you move them to the trash. |
| 02:03.30 | jpinx | JordiGH: Hmm -- that didn't work |
| 02:03.44 | JordiGH | !didn't work |
| 02:03.44 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 02:05.10 | jpinx | JordiGH: that had zero effect - nothing happened |
| 02:07.06 | JordiGH | jpinx: Gnome might be confused about what is or isn't on the drives, since you went and meddled manually with the files. Anyways, if you go into the external drive's .Trash and it's empty when you look at it in a terminal, then it is empty. Try unmounting and mounting it again and see if Gnome gets its act together. |
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| 02:09.04 | jpinx | JordiGH: - ok - remounting |
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| 02:12.21 | jpinx | JordiGH: that did the trick - thanks |
| 02:12.57 | JordiGH | w00t |
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| 02:13.12 | jpinx | goes back to rsync'ing .... |
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| 02:33.22 | _ZeuZ_ | why aint nvidia-kernel-source present in Lenny repos? http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-kernel-source |
| 02:34.08 | stew | !why isn't nvidia-kernel-source in testing |
| 02:34.08 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 02:35.15 | abrotman | well .. great answer! |
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| 02:37.01 | stew | _ZeuZ_: looks like it was removed a little over a year ago becuase it was too old and holding up kernel migration to testing: http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/news/20070710T223919Z.html |
| 02:37.20 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:37.23 | _ZeuZ_ | someone must correct dpkg nvidia_post_etch message then |
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| 02:39.04 | abrotman | tries to generate some sympathy .. and fails |
| 02:39.35 | _ZeuZ_ | Sees Error Code 504: Keyboard-chair-interface |
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| 02:45.26 | phlux | http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/phlux-debian.png |
| 02:45.27 | phlux | :D |
| 02:45.34 | phlux | got compiz working and everything |
| 02:45.37 | phlux | it's beautiful |
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| 02:55.58 | htmlol | hehe |
| 02:56.11 | htmlol | why are you in #irssi if you're not using irssi? o.O |
| 02:56.25 | abrotman | why are you asking here? |
| 02:56.48 | htmlol | :/ it's only minorly off topic |
| 02:57.04 | Somni | you do realize this is #debian, right? |
| 02:57.27 | htmlol | yes I do. |
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| 02:57.39 | htmlol | I really don't see what the problem is. |
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| 02:57.56 | Somni | it's just a strange question; we are all not in irssi |
| 02:58.09 | Somni | #irssi, rather |
| 02:58.10 | htmlol | I was talking to phlux |
| 02:58.16 | htmlol | since his screenshot shows him using xchat |
| 02:58.19 | htmlol | but in #irssi |
| 02:58.23 | htmlol | so I was asking him. |
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| 02:59.37 | teratoma | hello what am i doing wrong?: http://pastie.org/256190 |
| 03:01.00 | mohadib_ | can anyone help me understand why my server starts swapping when i copy a file |
| 03:01.02 | mohadib_ | http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/2334/ |
| 03:01.17 | abrotman | teratoma: nothing .. that's okay |
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| 03:01.26 | prolix | hello debianites |
| 03:01.57 | abrotman | teratoma: those are the symlinks in / IIRC |
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| 03:02.56 | prolix | i'm pretty new to linux but i'm somewhat familiar with navigating through bash. i've just installed debian on a machine which i had to leave and i was wondering if it would be possible for me to ssh into the new install and put an ndis wrapper on the machine |
| 03:03.15 | JordiGH | !tias |
| 03:03.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first |
| 03:03.32 | htmlol | prolix: is the machine connected to the network? |
| 03:03.34 | JordiGH | But yeah, I don't think you have to reboot to install ndiswrapper, so yeah. |
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| 03:03.50 | JordiGH | Oh, unless the machine has no wired connection. |
| 03:04.07 | prolix | htmlol: it's plugged into the interweb, yes |
| 03:04.15 | jester45 | prolix, you need to install openssh-server first |
| 03:04.18 | htmlol | is an sshd running? |
| 03:04.36 | prolix | htmlol: nope, but i can have someone enter simple commands for me at the machine |
| 03:04.48 | prolix | jester45: i thought debian came bundled with openssh |
| 03:05.14 | jester45 | prolix, i think its just the client but... idk i havent installed debian for a long time |
| 03:05.19 | JordiGH | ssh server isn't in the base install. |
| 03:05.24 | jester45 | doesnt belive in reinstalls |
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| 03:05.34 | JordiGH | The client is. |
| 03:05.45 | prolix | hmm |
| 03:05.48 | mohadib_ | so , anyone, ideas about my swap problem? |
| 03:05.58 | jester45 | JordiGH, is the ssh server auto started after its installed? |
| 03:05.58 | htmlol | well you'd have to install openssh if it's not already there, edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config properly, and then start the sshd with /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 03:06.12 | prolix | 20:05 < htmlol> well you'd have to install openssh if it's not already there, edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config properly, and then start the sshd with /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 03:06.16 | prolix | pardon |
| 03:06.18 | JordiGH | jester45: Yeah, like most server packages. |
| 03:06.22 | jester45 | mohadib its normal for data to be swapped out and its a good thing |
| 03:06.31 | mohadib_ | i now have a server with 22gigs of "free" ram and Im swapping heavly to disk :\ |
| 03:06.35 | htmlol | prolix: ? |
| 03:06.48 | mohadib_ | jester45: not 2 gigs in under 10 minutes |
| 03:06.57 | jester45 | o well yea thats to much |
| 03:06.59 | prolix | htmlol: thank you |
| 03:07.06 | teratoma | hello i asked earlier about what i am doing wrong, at http://pastie.org/256190 . i want to install kernel for 686 obviously... but after i do that... i see nothing for it in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 03:07.08 | jester45 | have you checked your swapiness |
| 03:07.13 | mohadib_ | its set to 0 |
| 03:07.17 | JordiGH | Hm, this is weird. I hate it when it happens. When I plug in the power to my lappy, it freezes within give seconds, and unfreezes when I unplug the power again. |
| 03:07.19 | htmlol | sure |
| 03:07.28 | JordiGH | I have no idea how to fix this except rebooting. :-/ |
| 03:07.42 | JordiGH | It's not an X thing, still happens even if I kill X. |
| 03:07.51 | jester45 | APM? |
| 03:07.57 | JordiGH | jester45: talking to me? |
| 03:08.06 | jester45 | yes JordiGH |
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| 03:12.39 | teratoma | here is my kernel: model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ . can i use linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 ? |
| 03:12.46 | teratoma | i mean.. here is my proceessor |
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| 03:19.47 | nolimitsoya | teratoma, yes |
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| 03:45.44 | mohadib_ | Gigantic: :s |
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| 03:45.44 | enouf | erm .. netsplit |
| 03:45.45 | mohadib_ | hmm |
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| 03:45.45 | mohadib_ | so i was able to work around the swap problem |
| 03:45.45 | mohadib_ | by using dd instead of cp |
| 03:45.59 | mohadib_ | but thats somewhat problematic :\ |
| 03:46.15 | mohadib_ | im guessing dd can copy a dirctory and its contents |
| 03:46.18 | mohadib_ | cant* |
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| 03:47.27 | mohadib_ | hmm |
| 03:47.32 | mohadib_ | maybe cpio is the way to go |
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| 03:48.45 | jstad | How can I get rid of this error while upgrading to lenny from etch: "perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings", I already ran dpkg-reconfigure locales to no avail |
| 03:49.33 | teratoma | they can have my hard drie |
| 03:49.40 | teratoma | drive. it is full of exciting FAI kernels |
| 03:50.13 | s3a | does debian lenny write to ntfs automatically or do u have to do stuff like in etch? |
| 03:50.25 | s3a | as soon as ntfs-3g is installed i mean |
| 03:50.46 | stew | s3a: what do you have to do in etch? |
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| 03:51.17 | peppe | jstad: it shouldn't be a problem... after the upgrade you'll have both glibc and locales upgraded, and no more those warnings |
| 03:51.26 | s3a | stew: well ppl have been trying to help me get ntfs write working but i just decided to let it upgrade to lenny testing |
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| 03:51.51 | starbyte-l | hey all. |
| 03:51.55 | stew | s3a: it should behave the same in testing as it does in etch |
| 03:51.57 | s3a | stew: i was just wondering if lenny will let me write to ntfs without a problem if ntfs-3g is installed or if i still have to do things in order to get writing to work |
| 03:52.22 | stew | s3a: ntfs-3g should let you write to ntfs without a problem in either etch or lenny |
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| 03:52.22 | peppe | s3a: if you mount the filesystem with ntfs-3g there are no problems... |
| 03:52.36 | s3a | stew: r u sure bcuz that changed after ubuntu 7.04 (which came 1 month after debian etch) |
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| 03:53.01 | s3a | peppe: i think ppl said i mount it with the ntfs driver and i have to make it mount with ntfs-3g, how do i do that? |
| 03:53.33 | peppe | dpkg: tell s3a about u |
| 03:53.37 | peppe | dpkg: tell s3a about cuz |
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| 03:54.46 | stew | hmm, it appears that the ntfs in etch backports is newer than that in lenny? |
| 03:54.50 | stew | err ntfs-3g |
| 03:54.50 | peppe | s3a: plain and simple: mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/whatever /mnt/whatdoyouwant |
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| 03:56.50 | stew | oh, no, i'm just reading the version numbers wrong |
| 03:57.28 | stew | its certainly newer than ubuntu 7.04 in any case |
| 03:57.53 | stew | s3a: what changed after ubuntu 7.04? |
| 03:59.21 | s3a | stew: ntfs-3g was available in ubuntu 7.10 mid life and apt-getting it solved everything, here in debian it seems i have to do additional things after getting ntfs-3g from backports but i dont no if thats just etch and thats my question: is it just etch or does lenny JUST WORK once ntfs-3g is installed? |
| 03:59.44 | peppe | here ntfs works pretty well |
| 04:00.49 | s3a | peppe: all u had to is get the package ntfs-3g and then it worked or did u have to change a text list etc? |
| 04:00.55 | s3a | peppe: you* sorry |
| 04:01.09 | peppe | s3a: a text list? of what? |
| 04:01.23 | stew | s3a: what additional things do you have to do? |
| 04:01.33 | peppe | the only issue is that you've to mount filesystems by hand |
| 04:01.37 | stew | s3a: both etch and lenny should just work |
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| 04:02.10 | s3a | stew: etch ntfs just works but only for reading |
| 04:02.26 | peppe | i.e. I'm not sure if you plug in a usb drive (or similar) with a ntfs partition it will get mounted with ntfs-3g by kde/gnome/etc. |
| 04:02.26 | stew | s3a: what command are you using to mount? |
| 04:02.48 | s3a | stew: thats the thing im not using any command cuz in ubuntu im use to everything being automatic |
| 04:03.07 | peppe | that's exactly what I'm saying |
| 04:03.42 | s3a | peppe: so how do i manually mount it WITH NTFS-3G and not NTFS |
| 04:03.54 | peppe | <peppe> s3a: plain and simple: mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/whatever /mnt/whatdoyouwant |
| 04:04.12 | stew | s3a: show us the output of "mount" when the volume is mounted |
| 04:04.30 | Weems | bind wont start.... Starting domain name service...: bind9 failed! |
| 04:04.45 | s3a | stew: well im on ubuntu right now, debian is on the laptop but its upgrading to lenny atm so i cant do anything now but ill copy and save that command |
| 04:04.50 | Weems | I tried to install before and it borked |
| 04:04.54 | s3a | stew: the one peppe just gave |
| 04:04.55 | peppe | s3a: look at the manual for more options, especially if you want it to be mounted with your user's uid/gid |
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| 04:06.37 | s3a | peppe: can i just ask, what do you mean by whatever and whatdoyouwant? |
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| 04:08.50 | stew | s3a: /dev/whatever being the filesystem you are trying to mount and whatdoyouwant being the mount point you want to mount it to |
| 04:09.12 | s3a | stew: ok so whatever being ntfs? |
| 04:09.30 | stew | s3a: no, the partition containing the filesystem you are trying to mount |
| 04:09.55 | stew | s3a: you shouldn't expect ntfs-3g to behave differently in this regard in lenny, but perhaps whatever you are using to auto-mount the filesystem will be different |
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| 04:10.07 | Braden` | Hello |
| 04:10.23 | s3a | stew: whatever is wat then? sda1? |
| 04:10.47 | Braden` | I've installed the ClamAV package. Does it function just like a virus scanning software in Windows and scan every file that is opened or does it work differently? |
| 04:10.54 | stew | s3a: could be |
| 04:11.18 | s3a | stew: ok well assuming my external drive is sda1 then its right, right? |
| 04:11.36 | s3a | stew: bcuz i think i saw that it was that |
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| 04:12.13 | stew | s3a: if your external drive is /dev/sda then /dev/sda1 would be the first partition on that drive |
| 04:12.50 | s3a | stew: well it has only 1 partition and thx i learned sumtin :) but again whatever=sda1 for me? |
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| 04:14.29 | antum | During install does the domain name have to be different to the host name? Is there an article explaining the difference? |
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| 04:15.37 | mimcpher | antum, if you don't care, then just pick something random for domain and hostname. |
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| 04:15.53 | mimcpher | antum, if you don't know, it probably doesn't matter (just a desktop system?) |
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| 04:16.14 | antum | mimcpher ok cool, is the domain name like Workgroup for windows? (Yep just installing a virtual machine) |
| 04:16.24 | JordiGH | Holy crap. It looks like evince can do pdf forms flawlessly. How long has this been working? |
| 04:16.32 | stew | mimcpher: if your machine was going to be "hostname.domain.com" then "hostname" would be your hostname and "domain.com" would be your domain name |
| 04:16.39 | stew | antum: ^^ |
| 04:17.07 | antum | stew thanks, that was easy! |
| 04:17.08 | JordiGH | At least since 2007. |
| 04:17.09 | JordiGH | Yay. |
| 04:17.31 | JordiGH | I don't know if it supports embedded video in PDF, but I think I'm glad it doesn't. :-) |
| 04:18.51 | s3a | stew: would "mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/250 GB Ext." work for me? the drive is sda1 and it's called "250 GB Ext." |
| 04:19.48 | Lagbolt | s3a, still having trouble? |
| 04:19.50 | stew | s3a: no, /mnt/250 GB Ext. would need to have the spaces escaped since if you executed that in a shell, that would look like 3 different arguments instead of one |
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| 04:20.45 | s3a | Lagbolt: ya that thing u said dint work so i decided to upgrade to lenny but it wont be done till tomorow and now im learning the terminal mounting thing |
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| 04:21.16 | s3a | stew: so then wat r u suggesting? to change the name of my drive or replace the spaces with underscores? |
| 04:21.50 | Lagbolt | s3a, the part that comes after /dev/sda1 in the mount command is the mount point not the name of the drive |
| 04:21.51 | mimcpher | s3a, you can do "/mnt/250 GB Ext" |
| 04:22.00 | mimcpher | with the quotes |
| 04:22.17 | stew | s3a: no, change the way you are specifying the mountpoint. the mountpoint doesn't have anything to do with the 'name of the drive', the mountpoint must exist before you mount to it |
| 04:22.19 | mimcpher | just make sure that folder exists |
| 04:22.30 | Lagbolt | yeah does anyone know if he even made the mnt pnt |
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| 04:22.47 | Lagbolt | s3a, did you "mkdir" anything in /mnt? |
| 04:23.22 | s3a | Lagbolt: wen it coems to mounting thru terminal im an idiot |
| 04:24.10 | s3a | Lagbolt: all i did is install ntfs-3g and that thing u said b4 but a command would work much better |
| 04:24.11 | Lagbolt | s3a, when you mount a drive it mounts to a specific mount point. a folder somewhere for instance. |
| 04:24.35 | Lagbolt | so make the mnt pnt somewhere you want it, such as "mkdir /mnt/USBDRIVE" |
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| 04:25.00 | Lagbolt | then |
| 04:25.09 | youn1x | question |
| 04:25.16 | youn1x | irssi is in the apt repositories.. |
| 04:25.16 | Lagbolt | s3a, try mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/USBDRIVE |
| 04:25.27 | youn1x | however, aptitude install irssi doesn't install the latest version of irssi |
| 04:25.29 | s3a | Lagbolt: ok well my usb drive is sda1 (1 partition, 1 usb device) and it's called 250 GB Ext. so i would do mkdir /mnt/250 GB Ext. ? |
| 04:25.32 | youn1x | which is 0.8.12 |
| 04:25.35 | Lagbolt | noooooooo |
| 04:25.45 | Lagbolt | s3a, you can make the mnt point anyname you want |
| 04:25.45 | s3a | Lagbolt: ok wait |
| 04:25.49 | s3a | Lagbolt: ur last line |
| 04:25.53 | s3a | Lagbolt: is wat i said b4 |
| 04:26.04 | Lagbolt | no, you said 250 GB Ext. |
| 04:26.05 | stew | youn1x: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 04:26.16 | Lagbolt | i said USBDRIVE after mkdir /mnt/USBDRIVE |
| 04:26.19 | s3a | Lagbolt: ya so i just type in USBDRIVE? |
| 04:26.21 | Lagbolt | you can call it anything |
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| 04:26.40 | Lagbolt | you could do mkdir s3asdrive then mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/s3asdrive |
| 04:26.42 | Lagbolt | if you want |
| 04:26.43 | s3a | Lagbolt: o so that command will work for sure? --> mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/USBDRIVE |
| 04:26.47 | stew | s3a: "mkdir /mnt/250 GB Ext." would create three different directories, one named "/mnt/250" one named "GB" and one named "Ext." |
| 04:26.53 | Pavlz | hello |
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| 04:27.13 | Lagbolt | the point is s3a you can make the mnt point anywhere. just make a directory and point at it |
| 04:27.37 | s3a | Lagbolt: ok so mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/USBDRIVE would just work? |
| 04:27.50 | Lagbolt | s3a, only if you did mkdir /mnt/USBDRIVE frist |
| 04:27.51 | stew | s3a: what does "ls -l /mnt/USBDRIVE" return? |
| 04:28.21 | s3a | stew: the debian comp is not useable now cuz its updating to lenny (im on ubuntu comp now) |
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| 04:28.50 | s3a | Lagbolt: ok so i do |
| 04:28.52 | s3a | Lagbolt: mkdir /mnt/USBDRIVE |
| 04:28.54 | s3a | mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/USBDRIVE |
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| 04:29.01 | Lagbolt | s3a, so you are just trying to get the commands? maybe what you need to do is read about mounting and linux file systems |
| 04:29.02 | s3a | Lagbolt: that is EVERYTHING i have to do? |
| 04:29.08 | Lagbolt | s3a yes that looks right |
| 04:29.24 | Pavlz | i need hardware low power do you know any that sells in the world ? max 25 watt to 250 volt |
| 04:29.37 | s3a | Lagbolt: i like to get things right then understand them thats how i do for everything else and i no things well, its just ive never came accross mounting b4 |
| 04:29.56 | Braden` | I've installed the ClamAV package. Does it function just like a virus scanning software in Windows and scan every file that is opened or does it work differently? |
| 04:30.07 | Lagbolt | s3a, one thing, you will only be able to write to the drive as root user. you need to pass options in the mount command to allow normal user to read/write |
| 04:30.13 | s3a | Braden`: u have to make it scan the files |
| 04:30.37 | youn1x | stew, didn't help |
| 04:30.38 | s3a | Lagbolt: doesnt that only require su? |
| 04:30.41 | n3kl | Hey, how could I wite a script to change my current directory? |
| 04:30.56 | stew | youn1x: what version of debian are you running? |
| 04:31.03 | youn1x | 4.0 |
| 04:31.07 | Lagbolt | s3a, yes but you could just mount it with a "-o uid=1000" or what ever your uid number is |
| 04:31.15 | Lagbolt | s3a do you know how to use man pages? |
| 04:31.28 | stew | youn1x: bpo has 0.8.12-4~bpo40+1 for your version of debian. how does it not help? |
| 04:31.44 | youn1x | eek! |
| 04:31.47 | youn1x | maybe im doing it wrong |
| 04:31.50 | youn1x | i added the line, updated and all |
| 04:31.55 | s3a | Lagbolt: i NEVER understand man pages, i dont learn unless things are very baby worded |
| 04:31.57 | youn1x | now what |
| 04:31.57 | youn1x | ? |
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| 04:32.05 | stew | youn1x: read the instructions page at backports.org |
| 04:32.10 | youn1x | okay |
| 04:32.26 | Lagbolt | s3a, man pages are tough at first but you sould always read them. after people explain things then go back and see if they make more sense |
| 04:32.39 | mns | /.away |
| 04:32.40 | stew | s3a: perhaps debian is not for you |
| 04:32.46 | Lagbolt | s3a, google helps a lot too. it is a steep learning curve but once a few things start to make sense you will learn faster |
| 04:32.54 | youn1x | stew, /me kills self? |
| 04:32.55 | youn1x | thx. |
| 04:33.05 | Lagbolt | s3a but if you are going to work from command line you need to be willing to read quite a bit and try different things |
| 04:33.08 | s3a | stew: nono, wen i learn things i dont forget thats a good part bout me :) |
| 04:33.20 | s3a | stew: and im learning python so ill try to help debian be more gui and stuff |
| 04:34.07 | n3kl | How can I write a script to change my current directory? |
| 04:34.10 | mns | What's a good tool/set of tools to get access to a mobile phone using bluetooth ? prefereably not GNOME or KDE based. GTK+ or CLI is fine. |
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| 04:34.39 | n3kl | mns: kitchensync might have gone somewhere by now |
| 04:35.44 | stew | n3kl: in general, you can't, since a script runs in a subshell that, so changing the current directory in a script is useless for the script caller becuase the subshell exits when the script finishes |
| 04:35.44 | stew | n3kl: you can write a shell function though |
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| 04:36.24 | stew | n3kl: for example you could add "cdusr() { cd /usr }" to your .bashrc, then run "cdusr" in a shell |
| 04:36.45 | mns | n3kl: that's just a framework isn't it ? |
| 04:37.22 | s3a | Lagbolt: ok one last time i need to confirm b4 i do these 2 commands (mkdir /mnt/USBDRIVE |
| 04:37.26 | s3a | mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/USBDRIVE) i do su? and THAT IS IT? |
| 04:37.29 | mns | n3kl: besides its KDE, which I don't want. |
| 04:38.04 | Lagbolt | s3a, that will get you started |
| 04:38.10 | Lagbolt | you have to run those commands as root |
| 04:38.19 | Lagbolt | but be very careful as root |
| 04:38.27 | s3a | Lagbolt: isnt su what makes root?? |
| 04:38.38 | s3a | Lagbolt: well i mean it is |
| 04:38.40 | Lagbolt | s3a, you sound very inexperienced on the command line and su can severely damage your computer if you are not careful |
| 04:38.42 | s3a | Lagbolt: so like ur confusing me |
| 04:39.07 | s3a | Lagbolt: i no more than u think its just with mounting im an idiot |
| 04:39.29 | Lagbolt | s3a, if su and root are confusing you then you need to be super careful. su allows you to switch user or become root |
| 04:39.36 | s3a | Lagbolt: and i always do ctrl+d after doing root stuff so its safe etc |
| 04:40.01 | s3a | Lagbolt: ooooo i get u, i never login as root if thats wat ur saying i always do su |
| 04:40.10 | s3a | Lagbolt: unless thats not wat ur sayin |
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| 04:40.30 | Chewy` | is there a way to check my cpu temp via ssh? |
| 04:40.51 | Lagbolt | s3a, i am saying be careful. as root you can mv and delete files that can be critical. just saying be careful you type everything correctly |
| 04:41.42 | Chewy` | my dedi's cpu is overheating |
| 04:41.49 | Chewy` | so i want to find out the current temp |
| 04:42.18 | s3a | Lagbolt: y would i type a command i dont no or asked about? such as rm stuff if thats wat ur saying |
| 04:42.42 | antum | When choosing components to install, what does the "desktop environment" give me? Is that a GUI? |
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| 04:43.08 | s3a | antum: desktop environment is gui |
| 04:43.10 | newsense | yes |
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| 04:43.18 | s3a | antum: like gnome, kde, xfce, flux |
| 04:43.29 | newsense | and alsa is in there |
| 04:43.33 | cliff | hi. have a problem. My amarok refuses to fetch covers from internet. What can i do about it? |
| 04:43.44 | antum | s3a cool, so i can do away with that then |
| 04:43.53 | antum | that was a statement not a question :) |
| 04:45.15 | Lagbolt | antum, from the installer? |
| 04:45.17 | s3a | antum: ya for desktop use have those 2 checkboxs checked |
| 04:45.23 | Lagbolt | antum, it installs gnome-desktop |
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| 04:45.40 | SpeedyG | Lagbolt: that depends which disk you're using :) |
| 04:45.56 | cliff | can anyone help me with amarok? |
| 04:46.16 | Lagbolt | true, but the debian installer is gnome |
| 04:46.17 | jonhnash | what happend with amarok? |
| 04:46.55 | cliff | <jonhnash>it is not able to get album covers. I can't figure out why |
| 04:47.12 | newsense | firewall? |
| 04:47.25 | preston | I just finished installing etch and being somewhat new i wasnt sure on the network adress dialog box what to put as opposed to dl.cox.net so i left it blank i assume that's ok? |
| 04:47.37 | Lagbolt | antum, you can change that before it boots the install cd, e.g. ) install tasks="kde-desktop, standard" |
| 04:47.43 | jonhnash | i never have problem but try another version or another player |
| 04:48.09 | cliff | <newsense>: dunno, made a clean standard install. Where can i check it? |
| 04:48.10 | antum | Lagbolt wow... never knew that-- might try that on my next install. cheers |
| 04:48.14 | jonhnash | debian have many players |
| 04:48.25 | Lagbolt | antum, yeah just found that. i never knew either lol |
| 04:48.36 | newsense | no firewall than |
| 04:49.22 | cliff | <jonhnash>: for example? except rhythmbox, banshee,xmms (hate it) and amarok |
| 04:50.04 | jonhnash | lol all hate xmms |
| 04:50.11 | jonhnash | now is old |
| 04:50.32 | preston | if you like a lightwheight player try audacious |
| 04:50.32 | jonhnash | dont like VLC? |
| 04:50.50 | jonhnash | yes or audacious but vlc have more power |
| 04:51.22 | preston | vlc will play just about anything and its got a ton of options |
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| 04:51.34 | cliff | well i need the functionality amarok has |
| 04:51.56 | jonhnash | try a new version of amarok |
| 04:51.58 | preston | try banshee it's now at 1.0 and is real full featured |
| 04:52.44 | preston | anyone catch my question about the install and the dl.cox.net thing |
| 04:52.59 | jonhnash | what want install? |
| 04:53.09 | cliff | <jonhnash>:and what version? i just installed it. seems there is no newer for debian |
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| 04:53.32 | preston | im just wanting to be sure i didnt do something thats gonna come back to haunt me? |
| 04:53.51 | jonhnash | you can install a version from sid |
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| 04:54.22 | jonhnash | but not is good make a mix |
| 04:54.29 | doff | supports cue? |
| 04:54.29 | jonhnash | of versions |
| 04:55.14 | nirupama | does debian support dot matrix printer Wep High Speed Hq.1600 |
| 04:55.22 | nirupama | if yes whats the driver |
| 04:55.51 | jonhnash | see the cups projects |
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| 04:56.45 | Ryan52 | How do you tell aptitude to not remove packages that were automatically installed but are no longer needed? I've never cared before... |
| 04:57.15 | dmoerner | Ryan52, open up the aptitude gui, go to preferences, and uncheck the box |
| 04:57.50 | Ryan52 | there's a gui? :| |
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| 04:58.10 | cliff | <preston>: strange you said banshee is version 1.0 and i have 0.11. Just installed it |
| 04:58.20 | Ryan52 | oh i c |
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| 04:58.38 | preston | does anyone know if during the install you have to have something in the dialog box that has by default dl.cox.net |
| 04:59.01 | preston | yeah cliff banshee's come a long way |
| 04:59.23 | dmoerner | preston, install of what? |
| 04:59.25 | preston | cliff: it may not be in stable yet i hadnt looked |
| 04:59.44 | preston | dmoener: debian |
| 04:59.48 | n3kl | stew: little, late but thanks. I didn't think of doing it as a function in my bashrc |
| 05:00.17 | dmoerner | cliff, 0.11.2 in stable, 1.0.0 in testing/unstable, 1.2.1 in experimental |
| 05:00.27 | preston | dmoener: i just installed today and during the install it ask's you for network name and address |
| 05:00.39 | dmoerner | preston, that is the autodetected domain of your isp |
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| 05:00.46 | dmoerner | you can change it if it's incorrect |
| 05:01.07 | preston | dmoener: it said if you dont have that info you can put anything i left it blank |
| 05:01.25 | dmoerner | preston, ok. are you having problems? |
| 05:01.58 | preston | dmoener: im not, but i wanted to be sure i didnt do something that wuld come back to haunt me |
| 05:02.30 | preston | dmoener: internet acsess is working fine |
| 05:02.32 | dmoerner | preston, you didn't |
| 05:02.35 | dmoerner | do something bad |
| 05:03.05 | dmoerner | preston, /etc/resolv.conf probably has your domain anyway |
| 05:03.28 | preston | dmoener: debian is the most hands on distro ive worked with and im having to learn a few new things |
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| 05:04.08 | preston | dmoener: so forgive me if my question seemed a bit newbish |
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| 05:05.00 | dmoerner | preston, no problem. by the way irc has a <tab> completion feature for names so you don't have to type my name wrong as "dmoener" every time |
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| 05:05.46 | preston | dmoerner: i just realized i'd been spelling it wrong, the yellow made it a bit hard for me to read sorry |
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| 05:09.52 | mohadib_ | what is the tmpfs mounted at /lib/init/rw used for? |
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| 05:13.03 | sarthor | Hi what is the latest debian iso for download, i have download debian-40r0-i386-CD-1 b4. is it the latest???? shuld i install this iso?? |
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| 05:14.27 | \amethyst | mohadib_: for boot processes that need access to a read-write filesystem before /var is mounted |
| 05:15.11 | wantok | sarthor: r4 is latest |
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| 05:15.21 | mohadib_ | ah |
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| 05:15.26 | mohadib_ | thanks \amethyst |
| 05:15.38 | sarthor | debian-40r0-i386-CD-1..is it also 4?? |
| 05:15.43 | mohadib_ | 12 gigs of space they needed? |
| 05:15.44 | mohadib_ | :S |
| 05:15.55 | wantok | sarthor: 40r4... |
| 05:15.56 | sarthor | or you menas 40r4?? |
| 05:15.58 | sarthor | ok. |
| 05:16.00 | wantok | yes. |
| 05:16.15 | sarthor | wantok, how many cds i will need to download??? |
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| 05:16.24 | sarthor | i want to install on my laptop. |
| 05:17.02 | wantok | sarthor: you can download updates cds iirc, but i dont know how many there is. |
| 05:17.17 | jonhnash | 1 cd |
| 05:17.33 | sarthor | link for download please. |
| 05:17.53 | wantok | fucksake. its a front page link :@ |
| 05:18.04 | jonhnash | maybe you need read how install this |
| 05:18.15 | jonhnash | first |
| 05:18.33 | cycom | *sigh* |
| 05:19.04 | cycom | I always wondered why I saw people get told to rtfm in #debian. Now I understand XD |
| 05:20.46 | jonhnash | what is the problem |
| 05:21.01 | jonhnash | is he need install debian |
| 05:21.26 | Braden` | What is the best way to have clamav to scan a file on access? I currently use dnotify, but it scans all the files in a directory when only one file is accessed. |
| 05:21.31 | jonhnash | he need more that a link to download |
| 05:21.54 | Weems | http://pastebin.ca/1179354 <-- having a bind start error |
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| 05:25.30 | \amethyst | Weems: could you pastebin your named.conf.local too? |
| 05:25.48 | Weems | ok |
| 05:26.44 | Weems | http://pastebin.ca/1179363 |
| 05:26.59 | antum | how do i find out the ID of a group? I tried to do groupadd -g20 staff but it already exists... I want to know if it has the GID of 20? |
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| 05:27.56 | \amethyst | Weems: hm, is something including named.conf.local more than once? |
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| 05:28.09 | zanberdo | I've installed encfs and want to be able to run it without having to sudo. How can I determine what group I need to be a member of in order that I might use encfs without having to sudo? |
| 05:28.24 | Weems | doesnt look like it |
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| 05:29.50 | \amethyst | Weems: could you pastebin named.conf as well? |
| 05:29.58 | Weems | k |
| 05:30.57 | Weems | http://pastebin.ca/1179369 |
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| 05:31.24 | \amethyst | Weems: lines 40 and 42 |
| 05:31.43 | \amethyst | Weems: you're including named.conf.local twice |
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| 05:32.12 | Weems | oh |
| 05:33.05 | Weems | hmm still wont start |
| 05:33.11 | \amethyst | same error? |
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| 05:34.15 | Weems | http://pastebin.ca/1179372 |
| 05:34.21 | Weems | no |
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| 05:36.38 | antum | Ahh... i just need to look in /etc/group to find the group id... sweet |
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| 05:38.15 | \amethyst | Weems: you need an address (or *) before the word 'port' |
| 05:39.28 | \amethyst | inet * port 953 allow { 127.0.0.1 } keys { "rndc-key";}; |
| 05:39.56 | prolix | i've spent the last hour reading over ssh tutorials and have yet to find one that's comprehensive. i have a two part question, can i ssh into a remote machine that has sshd running which isn't on this lan[i.e. would user@24.16.145.159 work?] and secondly, would anyone happen to know any comprehensive ssh tutorials? i've been to the open ssh site and it assumes prior knowledge |
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| 05:41.00 | \amethyst | Weems: or inet 127.0.0.1 port 953 etc etc |
| 05:41.25 | Weems | k |
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| 05:42.42 | Weems | http://pastebin.ca/1179378 |
| 05:43.39 | \amethyst | Weems: and what does the current named.conf look like? |
| 05:44.01 | axisr9 | Right now I have a laptop that fetches internet from its built in wireless card to the wireless router/ap downstairs.. The laptop runs windows xp.. In windows, I bridged the laptops network card and wireless card together, as seen here http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1268/bridgeddd1.jpg -- so that I can plug somethign into the eth0 port and have it share the internet.. |
| 05:44.07 | axisr9 | I'm wondering what would i have to do to bridge the laptops wireless card and laptops network card togehter in linux? brctl? firestarter ? |
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| 05:46.41 | Weems | http://pastebin.ca/1179372 |
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| 05:48.17 | Weems | http://pastebin.ca/1179382 |
| 05:48.49 | \amethyst | Weems: semicolon after the }s at the ends of lines 51 and 53 |
| 05:49.45 | prolix | axisr9: how is that more convenient than buying a cheap router? |
| 05:50.09 | Weems | is this line right? allow { 127.0.0.1 } keys { "rndc-key";} |
| 05:50.12 | Weems | thats 51 |
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| 05:52.27 | Joint | hey can someone pass me the Nvidia sources.list so i can add it? |
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| 05:53.54 | Gigantic | anyone know if beep is an alias for something else? |
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| 05:58.55 | Gigantic | I get beep command not found while inside an script |
| 05:59.03 | Gigantic | but alone work of course |
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| 05:59.37 | `6og | Gigantic: fix the $PATH variable in teh script i'm guessing |
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| 06:00.20 | Gigantic | which beep not found |
| 06:00.22 | Jesse1 | hello everyone |
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| 06:00.28 | Gigantic | it isn't a bin |
| 06:00.34 | Gigantic | or something |
| 06:00.38 | Gigantic | Jesse1: Hi |
| 06:00.52 | Gigantic | #bash has no idea :) |
| 06:00.55 | Jesse1 | Hi, Gigantic |
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| 06:02.28 | grim | i'm trying to get a bluetooth keyboard working automagically at boot. I can pair manually and it's fine. according to README.Debian in the bluez-utils package, hid devices are supposed to auto-re-pair, i've enabled hidd in /etc/default/bluetooth and i still have to hidd --search to get it to pair, any help? |
| 06:02.47 | prolix | Gigantic: i think `6og is right. have you tried using the full path name in your script? |
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| 06:03.12 | prolix | the full pathname for the beep thing |
| 06:03.18 | Gigantic | prolix: run which beep and tell me about it :) |
| 06:03.32 | prolix | or whereis beep |
| 06:03.40 | Gigantic | there is no such thing as a path for beep |
| 06:04.01 | grim | or "echo -e ^G" iirc |
| 06:04.04 | Gigantic | has somethingto do with tty I think |
| 06:04.18 | Gigantic | oh yah |
| 06:04.25 | grim | yes, you give it the escape code |
| 06:04.31 | grim | the terminal decides how to handle it |
| 06:04.48 | grim | visual, audio, etc |
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| 06:06.19 | screamingbytes | evenin all |
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| 06:07.53 | Gigantic | wth |
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| 06:08.47 | Gigantic | grim: yah good idea but failed... remembered tho about -e /a that I never use but isn't working nopw :p |
| 06:09.01 | Gigantic | sleep 1 && echo -e Wake up! $COUNTER /a ; |
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| 06:10.04 | grim | Gigantic: it'll work.. you have to enter the ^G as (depending on the term) as ctrl-v then ctrl-g |
| 06:10.07 | `6og | Gigantic: what are you running when it does work, what are you running when it doesnt? |
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| 06:10.25 | superjoe30 | is there some command to connect to an http server, and issue commands manually, to test the server response? |
| 06:10.33 | grim | and make it echo -en to avoid a trailing newline |
| 06:10.43 | grim | superjoe30: telnet? |
| 06:10.47 | Gigantic | I don't want to avoid -n |
| 06:10.57 | Gigantic | just need to make it beep |
| 06:11.04 | grim | Gigantic: then use printf ^G |
| 06:11.08 | Gigantic | rest is the way I want it >.> |
| 06:11.14 | Gigantic | didn't work |
| 06:11.17 | superjoe30 | grim: it doesn't connect |
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| 06:11.33 | `6og | Gigantic: then re-connect your pc speaker ... |
| 06:11.34 | superjoe30 | oh, I probably need to tell it port 80 |
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| 06:11.40 | grim | superjoe30: sure it does, you need to do a get, post or head |
| 06:11.41 | `6og | superjoe30: got 80 there? |
| 06:11.44 | `6og | heh. yeah. |
| 06:11.56 | grim | superjoe30: assuming you're doing 'telnet localhost 80' |
| 06:11.58 | Gigantic | `6og: huh? |
| 06:12.09 | superjoe30 | sweet! |
| 06:12.36 | `6og | Gigantic: if you cant make it work in software, its a safe guess you have a hardware problem (or your doign it all wrong of course ...) |
| 06:12.40 | Weems | \amethyst: I uninstalled bind9 and installed dnsmasq |
| 06:12.53 | Gigantic | `6og beep use system bell not speakers btw |
| 06:13.03 | Gigantic | so nope |
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| 06:14.01 | `6og | Gigantic: it uses whats called "pc speaker". i am aware of this ... |
| 06:14.03 | Somni | that depends entirely on your system, your beep program (if you're using one), or your terminal (if you're using \a) |
| 06:14.10 | `6og | Gigantic: i assume you have the pcspk module loaded too |
| 06:14.18 | Gigantic | got it |
| 06:14.20 | Somni | some BIOSes send beeps through an on-board sound card |
| 06:14.32 | Gigantic | `6og: beep has no relation to sound system |
| 06:15.07 | grim | Gigantic: lsmod | grep pcspkr, see anything? better yet, does your machine have a pc speaker in it? |
| 06:15.33 | `6og | leaves Gigantic to want help and tell people they're wrong |
| 06:16.23 | Gigantic | thanks the intention of helping, but wrong information doesn't help |
| 06:16.46 | Gigantic | echo -en "\007" does the beep |
| 06:17.10 | Gigantic | it didn't work becuz beep is an alias, not something in a path |
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| 06:18.36 | grim | i find it funny that \007 works whens ^G *IS* \007 |
| 06:18.52 | grim | like i said, depending on the editor and terminal, decides how you input it |
| 06:19.05 | Gigantic | and the script syntax |
| 06:19.08 | Somni | if you actually type control-g, yes; just passing ^ and G to echo isn't going to evaluate as an escape sequence |
| 06:19.21 | grim | if you're in say gedit, i have nfi how to do it, in a term, (xterm, urxvt, etc) ctrl-v ctrl-g works |
| 06:19.30 | grim | i just did it in term.app actually in vim :) |
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| 06:22.46 | pae | hello |
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| 06:23.35 | pae | how do I change the file-selection behaviour back to double-click in qt4 apps? (ktorrent specifically) |
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| 06:26.50 | gbear | hey guys... I'm having problems being able to sftp due to permissions problems... if I am trying to allow an account to be able to sftp... what should I be messing with? |
| 06:27.09 | grim | cool, i just needed to set HIDD_ENABLED=1 in /etc/default/bluetooth and the keyboard is found during boot :) |
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| 06:27.17 | wols | what problems exactly gbear ? |
| 06:27.44 | gbear | I can't do anything outside my home directory |
| 06:27.57 | gbear | not move files, or copy directly... its really annoying |
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| 06:28.56 | wols | gbear: that is not annoying but works as intended |
| 06:29.02 | neant | hello, i was wondering if anyone know a program for debian etch that will record videos through a webcam.. ? i tried camstream but i can't find the way to make it record.. and i read the manual.. |
| 06:29.16 | wols | linux is a multiuser system and you need to have permissions to do what you trying to |
| 06:29.17 | Somni | gbear: you want this one account to be able to move any file on the system, or create new files in any directory? |
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| 06:29.49 | prolix | gbear: /msg dpkg sudoers |
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| 06:29.59 | defrysk | neant, try cheese |
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| 06:30.36 | gbear | I am new to debian, an have full permissions when using ssh with the sudo command... but am not saavy enough yet to be able to efficiently move and manage files using an ssh terminal yet... would prefer to re-enable my ability to sftp without having to re-enable the root account |
| 06:30.38 | wols | prolix: that won't help for sftp |
| 06:31.06 | wols | gbear: what files do you want to access with sftp |
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| 06:31.11 | Joint | hey can someone here give me the nvidia sources.list? |
| 06:31.11 | Somni | gbear: it would be safer to cordon off a specific area, and move whatever files you need access to into there |
| 06:31.21 | Somni | gbear: say, the user's home directory |
| 06:32.11 | gbear | thats great and all but I need to move files into specific folders outside my home directory as this is a webserver and have to upload files to publically viewable locations |
| 06:32.23 | gbear | things like picture files and such for website graphics |
| 06:32.31 | prolix | scp won't work? |
| 06:32.31 | wols | then fix your permissions properly |
| 06:32.31 | Somni | gbear: configure the web server to use a directory this account has access to |
| 06:32.40 | wols | Joint: does not existt |
| 06:32.47 | wols | Joint: what debian version? |
| 06:32.56 | gbear | wols... what permissions files should I be looking at... |
| 06:33.02 | Joint | wols, |
| 06:33.06 | Joint | lenny |
| 06:33.20 | wols | there are no "permission files". each file has its own permission. each and any file on disk |
| 06:33.21 | Arrowmaster | gbear: your webserver is running as a certain user right? just add yourself to the group for that user, i think its www-data |
| 06:33.29 | wols | Joint: /msg dpkg nvidia_lenny |
| 06:33.37 | wols | Joint: read it really really carefully and do what it says |
| 06:33.55 | gbear | yeah... thats what I meant, groups file... how do I modify that... |
| 06:33.58 | wols | Arrowmaster: the files aren't owned by www-data for good reason |
| 06:34.08 | gbear | or even better how do I modify my own group permissions... |
| 06:34.17 | wols | !permissions |
| 06:34.18 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 06:34.49 | Arrowmaster | wols: /var/www should be set to the www-data group if i remember correctly |
| 06:34.53 | wols | Arrowmaster: no |
| 06:35.16 | wols | Arrowmaster: owned by root and world readable. for very good reasons |
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| 06:35.27 | zamba | how can i reinstall a package and all its dependencies? |
| 06:35.30 | wols | doesn't have to be root who owns it, but www-data is the worst owner imaginable |
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| 06:36.07 | gbear | ...this isn't going to be something I can fix easily is it? |
| 06:36.24 | wols | it is |
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| 06:37.05 | Somni | it's simple enough to setup a web site under a user account; it simple needs to be readable by the web server, and scripts executable by same |
| 06:37.11 | ^shark_ | zamba: : try apt-get -y --reinstall install packagename |
| 06:37.36 | gbear | wols... how about... are group permission managed in a single file? |
| 06:38.05 | zamba | ^shark_: thanks |
| 06:38.09 | wols | no! |
| 06:38.09 | Arrowmaster | what group different users belong to are, but what those groups can do is not |
| 06:38.50 | gbear | like I remember being able to modify my sudo file to allow sudo without a re-verification... involved messing with one file... SO... no... means I won't be able to enable this account to SFTP by modifying one config file or something huh? |
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| 06:40.31 | wols | gbear: no. and changing sudo config wouldn't work anyways and is the wrong way to do |
| 06:40.53 | Arrowmaster | i was going to say you could use chown -R username /var/www to change everything in /var/www to be owned by you and editable by you but wols would probably disagree |
| 06:41.05 | wols | Arrowmaster: not really |
| 06:41.14 | wols | I already said, doesn't have to be owned by root |
| 06:41.24 | gbear | screw this... how about how do I turn root back on... there an easy way to do that? |
| 06:41.49 | wols | gbear: why would you? |
| 06:42.08 | wols | all you need to do is set the proper perms/ownerships for /var/www/ files |
| 06:42.16 | Somni | gbear: permissions and users are part of Linux, running everything as root because you can't figure them out is a horrible idea |
| 06:42.36 | gbear | cause I was supposed to be asleep 2 hours and 40 min ago... I am not necessarily in the mood for 40 min of setup ... sorry for being cranky |
| 06:42.45 | zamba | ^shark_: it only took that one package, not all dependencies |
| 06:42.58 | Arrowmaster | sudo chown -R username /var/www |
| 06:42.59 | Arrowmaster | done |
| 06:43.03 | gbear | my buddy is a linux god... i'm not... i'll just bug him tomorrow when he's awake to fix it long term |
| 06:43.46 | gbear | lol... i can't tell if I'm being spammed or mocked :-/ |
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| 06:43.59 | gbear | there are random irc people pm'ing me |
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| 06:44.33 | gbear | ok... so arrowmaster that will enable my account to use sftp clients? |
| 06:44.45 | gbear | oh... wait |
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| 06:45.09 | gbear | no... that will make me the owner of that file... ok cool... but I won't mess up the current ownership will i? |
| 06:45.10 | wols | gbear: being able to use sftp has NOTHING to do with /var/www perms |
| 06:45.46 | ^shark_ | zamba: try aptitude reinstall packagename |
| 06:46.02 | zamba | ^shark_: that was the first thing i tried before asking here :) |
| 06:46.15 | gbear | well... what I would like to do is be able to use winSCP to transfer files into a subdirectory of var/WWW/ will that make it happen while not messing up the current website permissions (not looking to take the site down) |
| 06:46.27 | ^shark_ | zamba: sorry can't help much |
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| 06:47.31 | Arrowmaster | gbear: /var/www should be owned by root which your webserver should not be running as, so if you make it owned by you then it should still work fine |
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| 06:47.37 | SJrX | What is a good mail server that doesn't require a reading a book to figure out how to do some cool things. |
| 06:47.46 | milligan_ | none. |
| 06:47.47 | zamba | SJrX: postfix |
| 06:47.56 | SJrX | I have a postfix book |
| 06:47.57 | SJrX | :P |
| 06:47.58 | zamba | SJrX: i just read "good" and "cool" :) |
| 06:48.04 | milligan_ | if you're willing to do some reading though, postfix is the best imho. |
| 06:48.13 | SJrX | I don't want to do some reading. |
| 06:48.26 | SJrX | Really this email server has to handle one inbox. |
| 06:48.39 | milligan_ | install sendmail and cross your fingers the defaults work. |
| 06:49.16 | milligan_ | if (/^subject:\s+(.*)\n$/i) { exit(0); } <- How can I adapt that regex to hit on subjects that contain [SPAM] ? |
| 06:49.18 | SJrX | But I'd like all outgoing messages sent from some other accounts to appear as sent from this one, and recorded as such in an iMAP server Sent Items (if they can do server side) |
| 06:49.32 | ^shark_ | zamba: try apt-cache search packagename, to find all the dependacies you need to install and reinstall the package after installing its dependancies first |
| 06:49.33 | gbear | thank you arrowmaster and wols... |
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| 06:51.46 | wols | SJrX: what debian version? |
| 06:52.01 | ^shark_ | zamba: or apt-get --fix-missing install packagename |
| 06:52.20 | SJrX | wols really any |
| 06:52.28 | SJrX | I think I'm still running 3.1 maybe |
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| 06:52.32 | SJrX | but that's not really an issue |
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| 06:53.23 | loxs | hi folks, which package do I install to have colorful terminals? |
| 06:53.30 | zamba | i'm trying to remount / read only (using flashybrid and running on compact flash).. but when doing so i'm told / is busy |
| 06:53.30 | wols | SJrX: it is. either you run ubuntu or debian. what is it? dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 06:53.42 | SJrX | I run both |
| 06:53.49 | SJrX | This isn't an ubuntu or debian question |
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| 06:53.56 | SJrX | it's a server administrator question |
| 06:53.59 | wols | SJrX: but THIS is a ubuntu or debian channel |
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| 06:54.14 | wols | SJrX: so either you run debian and have a question on debian |
| 06:54.28 | SJrX | One of my mx's is ubuntu server, the other is debian |
| 06:54.36 | zamba | good save :) |
| 06:54.40 | SJrX | I know |
| 06:54.44 | SJrX | and the truth actually |
| 06:55.05 | Joint | Err http://ftp.de.debian.org sid Release.gpg |
| 06:55.06 | Joint | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.06 | Joint | Get:1 http://http.us.debian.org sid Release.gpg [189B] |
| 06:55.06 | Joint | Ign http://http.us.debian.org sid/main Translation-en_US |
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| 06:55.12 | SJrX | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 06:55.15 | Joint | how come I'm getting this error |
| 06:55.17 | SJrX | Thats from my debian box |
| 06:55.28 | SJrX | nslookup ftp.de.debian.org |
| 06:55.48 | SJrX | Looks like a problem with your name server |
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| 06:56.03 | zamba | Joint: check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:56.06 | Joint | yeah |
| 06:56.07 | SJrX | Type this into a console: "nslookup ftp.de.debian.org" (without quotes) and see what it says |
| 06:56.08 | ^shark_ | Joint: try host ftp.de.debian.org and see what you get |
| 06:56.09 | Joint | i got it |
| 06:56.33 | Joint | ftp.de.debian.org has address 141.76.2.4 |
| 06:56.37 | caracremada | loxs: are you running Konsole? |
| 06:56.47 | loxs | sure caracremada |
| 06:56.47 | ^shark_ | joint: try pinging it |
| 06:57.02 | Joint | PING ftp.de.debian.org (141.76.2.4) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 06:57.07 | caracremada | loxs: are you talking about different coloured fonts? |
| 06:57.18 | loxs | but even in the background terminals (CTRL+ALT+F1) there is no color |
| 06:57.20 | loxs | yes caracremada |
| 06:57.27 | ^shark_ | joint: what do you see in the ping |
| 06:57.30 | wols | loxs: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 06:57.59 | caracremada | I get coloured fonts on konsole as the default; never set anything myself. If just came that way. |
| 06:58.46 | loxs | wols, ii libc6 2.7-10ubuntu3 |
| 06:59.03 | loxs | but I dont caracremada not in ubuntu, and not in debian :) |
| 06:59.24 | zamba | how can i force a remount even if it says the file system is busy? |
| 06:59.26 | loxs | I have both on my laptop and now I try to choose which to use :) |
| 07:00.13 | caracremada | loxs: sorry, don't know anything about ubuntu. I'm running Lenny. |
| 07:00.30 | loxs | yes, I run lenny on the other partition |
| 07:00.46 | loxs | and I have pure white fonts there |
| 07:00.58 | caracremada | loxs: really strange! |
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| 07:01.17 | caracremada | loxs: you mean white on white???????!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 07:01.36 | loxs | no, I mean white on black, but there is no green and blue and red :) |
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| 07:02.04 | caracremada | loxs: oh, I have a white background. Maybe that's the cause?!? |
| 07:02.15 | loxs | i'll try to change it |
| 07:02.35 | caracremada | loxs: yeah check the configuration options on konsole |
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| 07:03.16 | loxs | caracremada, i think it should be done centrally... something on bash itself... because there is no colour even in the TTYs |
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| 07:03.49 | caracremada | loxs: nope, I don't get colour in tty's either. I didn't even know you could do that. |
| 07:03.58 | wols | loxs: please ask in #ubuntu and not here. we don't do ubuntu suppot |
| 07:04.03 | user__ | hello. it seems i need a program mkmanual (http://pastebin.ca/1179417) . on my debian testing there is no such program (checked via packages.debian.org). is there an equivalent program? |
| 07:04.12 | wols | loxs: you don't run debian so we can't help you |
| 07:04.19 | loxs | sure you can... and it's like that on my gentoo |
| 07:04.26 | caracremada | wols: loxs says he's running Lenny |
| 07:04.31 | loxs | wols, I run debian too... on the other partition |
| 07:04.41 | wols | loxs: then come back when you actually run it. goodbye |
| 07:04.47 | wols | caracremada: he is lying |
| 07:04.57 | loxs | heh, ok... I'm lying :) |
| 07:04.58 | caracremada | wols, oh, sorry |
| 07:05.24 | loxs | the thing is that I am not lying, I'm just trying to choose between ubuntu and debian :) |
| 07:05.41 | wols | loxs: come back when you actually run debian. goodbye |
| 07:06.26 | loxs | ok, wols thanks ntl |
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| 07:06.43 | noobian | hi all |
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| 07:07.33 | caracremada | wols: anyway, I just checked tty1 and I do have colours. My bad. |
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| 07:07.49 | wols | caracremada: of course you do. from the beginning. it's normal |
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| 07:08.35 | loxs | no wols, not in lenny, not in etch... i have no idea how is it in sid, but I have no color in lenny and etch |
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| 07:08.48 | caracremada | wols: I'm been running "testing" since woody and never noticed that before. Is this recent? |
| 07:08.52 | wols | loxs: BS |
| 07:09.10 | wols | caracremada: has been there since potato at least. probably longer |
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| 07:09.18 | wols | run the right TERM and off you go |
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| 07:09.37 | caracremada | wols: wow, you learn something everyday. Not that it's really important for me. |
| 07:10.13 | pozic | On startup more and more schroot sessions need to be restarted. Is there a solution for this problem? It makes booting slower and slower every day. |
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| 07:13.35 | gbear | this is still a huge pain... sftp-3 protocol... is there no way to sudo or... argh |
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| 07:13.52 | noobian | i wan to set up a medaiplayer wo keyboard. How can i add permanent the default keyring passwd for nemtwor-manager? |
| 07:15.21 | wols | gbear: no. and not needed either |
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| 07:15.34 | wols | pozic: use less 32bit software |
| 07:15.44 | caracremada | Does anyone have any experience installing a wifi driver for Acer Aspire 3500 using Lenny with a 2.6.24 kernel? |
| 07:15.58 | wols | !anyone |
| 07:15.58 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
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| 07:17.03 | caracremada | The lan is 802.11b/g and the chipset is AR2413 |
| 07:17.27 | wols | madwifi |
| 07:17.41 | wols | make sure ath5k kernel module is blacklisted |
| 07:17.54 | caracremada | do you mean the ath_pci driver? |
| 07:18.35 | wols | that is madwifi iirc |
| 07:18.36 | gbear | wols... why isn't it needed? |
| 07:18.41 | wols | I meant ath5k |
| 07:18.47 | wols | gbear: cause it isn't |
| 07:18.56 | wols | gbear: you got told what to do |
| 07:19.06 | gbear | you're backup to the argument is a little... flimsy |
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| 07:20.12 | gbear | yes, thanks to arrowmaster... is he still around? |
| 07:20.29 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 07:20.40 | wols | gbear: using sudo with sftp is a) not possible b) not a good idea |
| 07:20.48 | gbear | lol hey |
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| 07:21.50 | wols | depending on how sshd is set up you can log in as root. that'S all |
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| 07:22.42 | gbear | is there a command list somewhere where I can lookup how to tell the current owner of a file? I'm a little nervous about chown... as I don't know if it takes ownership away from another group or if I just get added to the ownerships? |
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| 07:23.04 | wols | gbear: ls -l |
| 07:23.06 | jelly-home | gbear: ls -l? stat? |
| 07:23.18 | Guerin | gyou can't get added to or subtracted from ownership of a file~ |
| 07:23.28 | Guerin | one user owns a file, and one group |
| 07:23.41 | jelly-home | and one other |
| 07:23.49 | jelly-home | bad pun. |
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| 07:23.53 | Guerin | well, other doesn't own anything :) |
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| 07:27.44 | pozic | wols: multi-arch was supposed to be supported some time in the future years ago. |
| 07:28.12 | wols | pozic: but ti still isn't. |
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| 07:30.08 | pozic | wols: so the Stable version of Debian does not ship schroot? |
| 07:30.20 | gbear | ok here's a really naive question... but there is only one group? |
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| 07:30.37 | wols | pozic: what has schroot to do with multi-arch? |
| 07:30.56 | wols | gbear: each file can only belong to one group. there are many groups |
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| 07:31.24 | gbear | is there a command that lists the groups and/or the users in them? |
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| 07:31.32 | gbear | or are they stored in a file? |
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| 07:33.30 | pozic | wols: schroot provides an easier interface to applications that are on the non-native arch, but otherwise nothing, I suppose. |
| 07:34.00 | gbear | ah HAH |
| 07:34.06 | wols | pozic: a schroot is a debian install in a chroot iirc |
| 07:34.15 | gbear | a usable guide... wols... add this to you're reccommended reading list... |
| 07:34.18 | wols | so any debian can do one |
| 07:34.21 | gbear | http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Manage_users_and_groups |
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| 07:34.47 | gbear | the wiki pages were very academic... but told me nothing on how to fix my issue |
| 07:34.53 | wols | gbear: I know how permissions work. and my /var/www/ works just as inteded |
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| 07:35.11 | gbear | no i know... for the next retard like me that comes along... point them there instead of the wiki pages |
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| 07:38.11 | martman_ | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should work fine on a vmware server guest right? |
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| 07:38.30 | martman_ | even set up as generic vesa i cant seem to get X to start |
| 07:38.37 | martman_ | (at 1280x1024) |
| 07:38.52 | martman_ | using vmware driver doesnt seem to help either |
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| 07:39.54 | wols | martman_: check your Xorg logs |
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| 07:40.21 | sleepster | is there a way I could see all my packages I've installed using apt? |
| 07:41.04 | tarzeau | sleepster: /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 07:41.21 | tarzeau | sleepster: or dpkg -l ? |
| 07:41.34 | sleepster | thanks tarzeau |
| 07:41.40 | sleepster | I didn't know about those :) |
| 07:41.45 | wols | sleepster: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 07:42.10 | vaq | !find |
| 07:42.20 | vaq | !find dccproc |
| 07:42.23 | sleepster | man that's a lot of packages I have |
| 07:42.32 | pozic | wols: how can I list all the sessions that I see when it boots now? |
| 07:42.36 | sleepster | just out of curioisty, how come debian comes with iceweasel instead of the actual branded firefox |
| 07:42.47 | maligor | politics |
| 07:42.52 | sleepster | yeah that's what I figured |
| 07:42.54 | wols | tell sleepster about iceweasel |
| 07:42.59 | wols | !tell sleepster about iceweasel |
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| 07:43.07 | wols | sleepster: trademark issues mainly |
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| 07:43.17 | sleepster | how is it possible that ubuntu can package it? |
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| 07:43.26 | sleepster | the government is prejedice |
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| 07:44.06 | wols | sleepster: ask them. ubuntu doesn't have the DFSG |
| 07:44.22 | sleepster | oh I see |
| 07:44.34 | sleepster | okie |
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| 07:45.59 | sleepster | I am guessing it is the same thing as gaim? |
| 07:46.06 | sleepster | debian doesn't package pidgin |
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| 07:46.20 | sleepster | or is that just because debian doesn't go through updates as quickly |
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| 07:47.04 | wols | !Pidgin |
| 07:47.04 | dpkg | i guess pidgin is formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch from backports.org, ask me about <backports.org> |
| 07:48.48 | pozic | I read the manpage for schroot, but I still don't see anything that says how I can see all the sessions (which is needed to close them). |
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| 07:56.50 | pozic | I got rid of the accumulated sessions now, but I probably need to run the command every X days. |
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| 08:02.30 | visof | hello |
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| 08:03.49 | visof | i have a problem with my sound card, the sound works and stops suddenly and work back , what is the problem ? |
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| 08:07.42 | testi_ | I was told that there are decent undelete tools for vfat, but i can't find any - i can only find foremost which doesn't fit my needs as it unable to recognize the filesystem - it seems it can only undelete unfragmented files |
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| 08:08.48 | testi_ | fragmented = not one piece on the drive - not damaged |
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| 08:19.51 | visof | what should i do for my sound card ? |
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| 08:21.07 | douglas | hello, what makes my laptop wifi show up on eth0 and not wlan0? Is there a config that does that? |
| 08:21.24 | liable | douglas: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 08:21.34 | douglas | thank |
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| 08:23.50 | douglas | liable: I guess I don't understand your answer. I am a bit on newbie on system stuff. |
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| 08:25.02 | liable | douglas: did you get the factoid from dpkg (dpkg is a bot in this channel) |
| 08:25.19 | Supaplex | !tell douglas -about z25 |
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| 08:25.46 | sofiane | hello |
| 08:25.51 | sofiane | i have a big probleme |
| 08:26.05 | sofiane | when i launch the binary from the prompt it s ok |
| 08:26.21 | sofiane | but when i launch it with init.d/scripts it doent want |
| 08:26.30 | sofiane | usually permission problème |
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| 08:27.19 | douglas | liable: got it now. thanks |
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| 08:28.37 | jelly-home | sofiane: which service, which init script, which package, which package version? what user does it have to run as? what debian release are you using? |
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| 08:29.36 | Araknozzo | hallo |
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| 08:29.42 | Araknozzo | i want to migrate my openvpn server.. |
| 08:29.54 | Araknozzo | can i just copy the server ssl keys into the new station? |
| 08:30.09 | Araknozzo | will it work? |
| 08:30.27 | jelly-home | sofiane: also, when asking about an error, provide exact and complete error messages and full command lines. use a pastebin if the error is longer than 2-3 lines |
| 08:30.46 | douglas | is it realistic to expect my laptop when booted at home to automatically get an ip and make the net usable with the wifi and at my dad's house for it to do the same and if I plug in the pcimca card that the ether net should work? |
| 08:31.29 | `nstuff | araknozzo, migrating to another server ? |
| 08:31.55 | Araknozzo | yes. |
| 08:32.03 | Araknozzo | brand new machine, os |
| 08:32.13 | Araknozzo | openssl version and so on |
| 08:32.44 | `nstuff | you will need to issue new keys to that server then |
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| 08:33.03 | Araknozzo | wow.. and then to all clients |
| 08:33.27 | Araknozzo | so there is no way to migrate safely and easly when it comes to ssl keys |
| 08:33.46 | jelly-home | Araknozzo: is the new server going to have the same old name? |
| 08:34.16 | Araknozzo | nope |
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| 08:34.26 | Araknozzo | hostname is different |
| 08:34.31 | Araknozzo | but no dns installed |
| 08:34.40 | Araknozzo | same ip |
| 08:35.06 | jelly-home | Araknozzo: I have no idea about openvpn; but other ssl-enabled services don't care much about ssl certs and you can plug in the old ones. |
| 08:35.16 | Araknozzo | i mean openvpn just runs on rude sql server-client ip connection |
| 08:35.56 | Araknozzo | mhm.. i had to sign CA |
| 08:36.04 | jelly-home | Araknozzo: as for openssl versions, that should pose no problems. |
| 08:36.17 | Araknozzo | generate and sign all clients keys on the server |
| 08:37.08 | jelly-home | right. like I say, dunno about openvpn specifics, but I see no immediate reason why the old keys wouldn't work |
| 08:37.35 | Araknozzo | k |
| 08:37.44 | jelly-home | it would be quite insane to have to change your CA every time the hardware changes. |
| 08:37.57 | jelly-home | (or the OS for that matter) |
| 08:38.04 | Araknozzo | k tnx |
| 08:38.13 | jelly-home | "try it" |
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| 08:38.34 | Araknozzo | k tnx |
| 08:38.47 | Araknozzo | i'll try.. it wont burn up |
| 08:39.02 | jelly-home | probably |
| 08:39.14 | Araknozzo | maybe some chinese guy will now every key i got |
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| 08:43.30 | orkam_wrk | Hi |
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| 08:48.48 | omnivor | DCC SEND 88888888888888888 |
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| 08:49.38 | hardnrg | anyone recommend a decent RSS Feed reader for Windows XP? |
| 08:49.48 | jelly-home | hardnrg: ##windows |
| 08:49.52 | hardnrg | ta |
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| 08:56.00 | Blackhold | hello |
| 08:56.08 | Blackhold | could someone help me about mdadm please? |
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| 08:57.30 | Blackhold | I have a server recently installed and grub isn't able to mount md0 partition |
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| 08:59.19 | cliff | Hi . I need to know what version of Debian is installed now - interested in whether it is 4.0r2 or 4.0r4. How do i define it? |
| 08:59.33 | Maulkin | !version |
| 08:59.33 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
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| 08:59.49 | zorgan | hi everyone |
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| 09:00.17 | zorgan | anyone here responsible for randr/xserver-xorg-video-intel? :) |
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| 09:01.22 | cnFyodor | anyone knows how to change the LANGUAGE value of locales in debian? |
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| 09:02.19 | esteel | cnFyodor: i'd say the standard way is to edit /etc/default/locale |
| 09:02.56 | WaterDrop | esteel: set it in /etc/environment doesnot work? |
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| 09:03.45 | cliff | how can i check my partition for errors? |
| 09:03.56 | WaterDrop | esteel: trying, thanks:) |
| 09:04.27 | wols | cliff: fsck? |
| 09:04.42 | wols | or if you want to check the disk for hardware defects: smartmontoold |
| 09:04.49 | wols | smartmontools |
| 09:05.54 | WaterDrop | debian may read /etc/environment file first,and then /etc/default/locale, is that right? |
| 09:05.58 | antgel | hi, i seem to remember there was a package that could detect repeat attackers via iptables logs and dynamically add and remove iptables rules for the specific attacking ip address. did i dream it, and if not, what is it? |
| 09:06.16 | Blackhold | could someone help me on a problem with RAID and GRUB please? |
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| 09:06.26 | wols | antgel: fail2ban? |
| 09:06.27 | esteel | WaterDrop: i think both should work.. |
| 09:06.37 | wols | !tell Blackhold about ask |
| 09:07.37 | Blackhold | well... then.... I've a recently install system, and I'm using a RAID for the / partition, grub don't knows how to mount this partition |
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| 09:07.53 | Blackhold | but if I access with any livecd, raid is mounted there |
| 09:07.54 | WaterDrop | esteel: it is about writeover or something else, read this first, read that after. |
| 09:08.03 | Blackhold | were is defined the raid? |
| 09:08.08 | ptman | WaterDrop: grep -R /etc/environment * turns out some revealing comments in /etc/pam.d/login |
| 09:08.16 | Blackhold | I'm sure that is not in raid partition, if not, outside... |
| 09:08.27 | sladi | cliff: also UBCD has tools |
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| 09:08.33 | Blackhold | it says that conf file is empty... |
| 09:08.37 | wols | Blackhold: grub and raid don't mix. the kernel mustn't be on the raid. so you need a /boot partition |
| 09:08.54 | antgel | wols: thank you! |
| 09:08.57 | Blackhold | wols: yesterday I used /boot partition outside of the raid |
| 09:09.03 | cliff | <wols>:smartmontools wont start |
| 09:09.04 | Blackhold | and also gave me the same problem |
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| 09:09.16 | esteel | WaterDrop: yeah, but i'mfine with /etc/default/locale to this day :) have not tried the other one.. or which one overwrites the other one |
| 09:09.17 | Blackhold | and in /boot partition there wasn't any conf file for mdadm |
| 09:09.24 | wols | cliff: why not? |
| 09:09.44 | cliff | <wols>dunno. said smart is disabled |
| 09:09.52 | Blackhold | cliff: check in /etc/default/smartmoontools is enabled... |
| 09:10.04 | Blackhold | cliff: edit the file... |
| 09:10.24 | sladi | cliff: check BIOS |
| 09:10.58 | WaterDrop | esteel: environment and default/locale file is diff. in my system, and the result same as default/locale.:) |
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| 09:11.54 | zorgan | I've tried to use default/locale to change the default LANG of my X system, but GDM doesn't follow LC_MESSAGES :/ |
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| 09:12.20 | zorgan | if there is a better way I would like to learn that also :) |
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| 09:13.01 | WaterDrop | ptman: you have no /etc/environment file or not? |
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| 09:13.42 | ptman | WaterDrop: no, I haven't but that's not my point |
| 09:13.52 | wols | clif4d: youneed to run smartmontools explicitly. if it's a USB based disk it won't work |
| 09:14.14 | esteel | WaterDrop: i see, good to know :) |
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| 09:14.20 | WaterDrop | ptman: you mean...? |
| 09:15.18 | SanFR | guys i have debian lenny(beta2) i have installed madiwifi but i dont have wireless yet |
| 09:16.19 | wols | SanFR: check your logs |
| 09:16.19 | SanFR | any idea ? |
| 09:16.23 | ptman | WaterDrop: I mean that by reading /etc/pam.d/login you would find out the order in which they are read |
| 09:17.03 | Blackhold | wols: could you help me please? |
| 09:17.34 | Blackhold | SanFR: wich network card you have? |
| 09:17.56 | SanFR | atheros chipset |
| 09:17.58 | SanFR | level one |
| 09:18.17 | wols | Blackhold: dunno where the raid config is. on disk somewhre iirc. but if live cd can use it, so should the hdd install |
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| 09:19.31 | cliff | how can i change time on logon screen? it differs from time inside the system |
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| 09:20.26 | SanFR | Blackhold: is there any bug or smthn ? |
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| 09:21.10 | WaterDrop | ptman: great, that's it. thanks. |
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| 09:24.55 | ganesh | what are the packages reuired for biometric |
| 09:25.21 | cliff | i have a question. How do i make my terminal understand russian? now it is half russian half ?&?&?& when i want to use deselect |
| 09:25.50 | wols | cliff: locales usually. dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:25.51 | vaq | cliff: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 09:26.23 | wols | not all stuff is fully localized |
| 09:27.41 | SanFR | :/ |
| 09:28.11 | cliff | <wols>: that didn't solve the problem still half russian half unreadable |
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| 09:28.33 | wols | cliff: any special reason you use dselect? |
| 09:29.06 | cliff | <wols>:maybe some fonts are missing? I use it just to learn Debian (studying) |
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| 09:29.38 | wols | use aptitude instead. dselect is long obsoleted |
| 09:29.42 | wols | !dselect |
| 09:29.42 | dpkg | dselect is probably a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/dselect-beginner/ Also ask me about <aptitude>. see <fix-unmet> |
| 09:30.17 | cliff | <wols>: it just goes this way - for example -- lo&c?le |
| 09:30.37 | zorgan | cliff: what terminal are you using? |
| 09:30.58 | streuner_ | !factinfo dselect |
| 09:30.58 | dpkg | dselect -- last modified at Wed Sep 13 04:28:31 2006 by karsten!n=karsten@linuxmafia.com; it has been requested 68 times, last by wols, 1m 16s ago. |
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| 09:31.07 | cliff | <zorgan>: built-in when installed. bash terminal, i think |
| 09:31.35 | zorgan | cliff: under X or in the console? |
| 09:32.13 | cliff | <zorgan>:under X - under console everything is perfect |
| 09:33.11 | zorgan | do an "echo $TERM" in there |
| 09:33.40 | cliff | <zorgan>: and then? |
| 09:33.43 | SanFR | !dd |
| 09:33.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
| 09:34.12 | zorgan | paste the result here? (should be a one liner) |
| 09:34.44 | et | or dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/stdout |
| 09:34.55 | jelly-home | dselect is probably a wonderful UI... yeah, RIGHT |
| 09:34.56 | cliff | <zorgan>: xterm |
| 09:35.32 | zorgan | cliff: now "locale | grep LANG" |
| 09:35.47 | milligan_ | et, dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp ... listen to the sound of random. |
| 09:36.01 | cliff | LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8 |
| 09:36.17 | jelly-home | milligan_: speaker-test is nicer. |
| 09:36.27 | ganesh | what are the packages reuired for biometric |
| 09:36.46 | milligan_ | jelly-home, testing is for weaklings. Go for the hardcore action right away. |
| 09:37.22 | jelly-home | milligan_: pink noise beats white noise! |
| 09:37.30 | zorgan | cliff: get this file http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt |
| 09:37.47 | zorgan | cliff: to test your terminal's UTF-8 capabilities |
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| 09:37.57 | zorgan | cliff: "cat UTF-8-demo.txt" |
| 09:38.35 | jelly-home | oooooh, boxes |
| 09:39.00 | cliff | <zorgan>: seems everything is ok but i'm not sure - there are some strange symbols in the end |
| 09:39.44 | cliff | <zorgan>: ah no, everything is ok. So what the problem is then? |
| 09:40.35 | zorgan | cliff: it's most probably related with dselect, like the other guys said |
| 09:40.54 | zorgan | cliff: it's an old piece of software |
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| 09:41.08 | zorgan | cliff: try "aptitude" |
| 09:42.16 | cliff | zorgan>: ok, thank you for having spent some time |
| 09:42.37 | monobug | what is alsa recognized as under /dev/ - ? |
| 09:43.10 | cliff | zorgan>: by the way, i have one more question - on login screen time differs from the one in system. What is the way for changing it? |
| 09:43.14 | maligor | /dev/snd/ |
| 09:43.26 | monobug | maligor, was it for me? |
| 09:43.33 | maligor | yep |
| 09:44.00 | monobug | thank you :) |
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| 09:51.01 | cliff | can anyone help me with amarok? itrefuses to fetch album covers from internet |
| 09:52.35 | zorgan | cliff: in /etc/default/rcS change UTC=no |
| 09:53.37 | cliff | <zorgan>: but it is set to no. And i chose the correct timezone |
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| 09:56.14 | zorgan | cliff: run "hwclock" and "date" |
| 09:56.22 | zorgan | cliff: they should be the same |
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| 09:56.37 | zorgan | cliff: and try to reboot, timezone configurations may need that |
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| 09:57.45 | cliff | <zorgan>: hwclock gives an error - select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 09:57.56 | wols | cliff: --directisa |
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| 09:58.59 | cliff | <wols>: it's not the same - it differs. What should i do? |
| 09:59.15 | zorgan | nice one wols, didn't know that ;) |
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| 09:59.39 | zorgan | cliff: have you rebooted after change TZ configuration? |
| 10:00.32 | cliff | <zorgan>: hwclock is right, date is not, date is bigger than hwclock. Don't know howto change tz. It just set right |
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| 10:02.52 | zorgan | cliff: "tzselect" or "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" |
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| 10:06.30 | cliff | <zorgan>: change the correct timezone but it is not useful. The time differs from hardware time in 3 hours |
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| 10:06.53 | genin | hello folks |
| 10:07.18 | genin | i have a strange memory problem |
| 10:07.38 | genin | 8 gigs of memory in machine and i just have asterisk running |
| 10:07.52 | genin | yet it says i only have 52 megs free of mem |
| 10:07.58 | genin | the rest is all cached |
| 10:08.47 | petemc | !free ram |
| 10:08.47 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 10:09.43 | genin | so if memory is cached it is okay and the system will use it? |
| 10:10.20 | petemc | aye |
| 10:10.42 | defrysk | genin, unused ram is wasted ram |
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| 10:12.57 | genin | hrm cool. i found it bizarre because on other machines we have less ram but more is free |
| 10:13.11 | genin | and the server with the 8 gigs of ram free happens to have customers on it complaining |
| 10:14.00 | zorgan | hmmmm... my buffers+cache=total ram |
| 10:14.03 | zorgan | :Þ |
| 10:14.44 | zorgan | or is it "Mem Free" + "buffers/cache free" ? |
| 10:14.54 | genin | heh |
| 10:15.08 | genin | i think another admin here did something to the memory configuration |
| 10:15.09 | zorgan | the description in dpkg is not clear |
| 10:15.29 | zorgan | genin: what? |
| 10:15.34 | genin | normally with 8 gigs of ram installed in the system i should see more than 52 free |
| 10:15.54 | genin | especially since in top asterisk is using only .6 of a percent of my ram |
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| 10:18.53 | zorgan | To: |
| 10:18.55 | zorgan | upx |
| 10:19.08 | zorgan | Mem: 7963 6700 1263 0 466 4811 |
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| 10:19.20 | zorgan | it's not 52 free... |
| 10:19.32 | zorgan | but it's no way near 7963 |
| 10:19.48 | hubuntu | how do I configure drupal after installation for use in a site? |
| 10:22.44 | Eulex | genin, ram that is otherwise unused will be used for caching read stuff from your hdds etc. if a program needs memory and there is none free, this memory used as cache will be immediately recycled as application memory. |
| 10:23.16 | jelly | !free memory |
| 10:23.16 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 10:23.36 | jelly | really should read the backlog sometimes |
| 10:24.27 | Nibbler | :) |
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| 10:30.36 | dustybin | what is the minimum requirement (CPU + memory) to run a small public accessable website what doesnt have many visitors at all |
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| 10:39.09 | snadge | can some explain to me the existance of this package - http://packages.debian.org/sid/virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-xen-686 |
| 10:39.29 | snadge | it gives me the impression that its possible to run virtualbox, on a xen dom0 |
| 10:40.51 | snadge | the interesting part is some virtualbox developers told me to submit that as a bug, because it quite simply isn't going to work |
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| 10:42.27 | pete_ | Hello. Anybody here familiar with mod_security? I get this strange error "Audit log: Failed to lock global mutex: Permission denied". Those are filling my error_log. Still www-pages seems to work correctly |
| 10:43.07 | Blackhold | there is some bug on grub configuration of debian beta2 |
| 10:43.23 | Blackhold | where I have to tell the error? |
| 10:43.44 | mohkohn | I am trying to install debian lenny to my eeepc using the custom installer usb |
| 10:43.44 | mohkohn | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install |
| 10:44.02 | mohkohn | I also have a lenny xfce4 iso available. |
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| 10:44.42 | mohkohn | Is there a way I can drop to a shell and point the usb with the wireless drives at the cd iso? |
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| 10:45.16 | mohkohn | Or alternately can I install from the iso and get the drivers for the nic and wireless off the cd? |
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| 10:46.45 | Arrowmaster | mohkohn: boot it with the 'priority=low' option appended to the kernel options |
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| 10:48.07 | mohkohn | Arrowmaster, the usb or the xfce4 iso? |
| 10:48.14 | Deepa^hal | If I want to remove all lines except those who looks sorta like this: [22:23] <Dreamcast> indeed |
| 10:48.18 | Arrowmaster | hmm does that usb even have boot options |
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| 10:48.20 | Deepa^hal | Is sed what I want? |
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| 10:49.32 | Deepa^hal | If I want to remove all lines except those who looks sorta like this: [22:23] <Dreamcast> indeed |
| 10:49.35 | Deepa^hal | err |
| 10:49.39 | Deepa^hal | osryr wrong window on the last one |
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| 10:50.58 | mohkohn | Perhaps I can install using the xfce4 iso and install the modules recomended here on the InstallUsingStandardInstaller |
| 10:51.09 | Arrowmaster | maybe |
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| 10:51.25 | Arrowmaster | when you boot the usb one does it give you any options or just boot? |
| 10:51.51 | cliff | still got a problem with my system time. I change it but when reboot it becomes the same as before. Can anyone help me? |
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| 10:53.17 | Arrowmaster | you could also do the trick that i recently did on my laptop with a dead cdrom drive, i messed up the install and just copied the vmlinuz and initrd.gz for a usb boot into /boot and added it to grub then rebooted with the rest of the stuff on a usb drive that i didnt want to format |
| 10:53.36 | Arrowmaster | and reinstalled again |
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| 10:54.31 | Arrowmaster | and i was able to add extra kernel options to the installer like priority=low |
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| 10:57.25 | mohkohn | I think my problem is slow wireless network connection. I get to the part "Downloading Release file" |
| 10:57.31 | mohkohn | and nothing |
| 10:58.04 | wols | check ifconfig to see if packets are coming through |
| 10:58.45 | mohkohn | Actually I just tried a different mirror. It just asked me if I want testing or unstable |
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| 11:03.22 | mohkohn | It seems to be retrieving packages. Although still on 0% though after 5 minutes. |
| 11:03.24 | harpal | Hey does any one used splashy?I have build it from source and I am try to configure it but it doesnt working |
| 11:03.45 | harpal | I want that to show image behind boot console |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'dccproc' returned no results. |
| 11:05.29 | harpal | I have added that in to boot. and when it boots I get error msg framebuffer is not configure |
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| 11:06.52 | Led_Zeppelin | is it possible to mount as a non-root user? I have files that are filesystem images and would like to mount them |
| 11:07.58 | widrone | Blackhold: Try reading over http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 11:09.51 | Lagbolt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:10.34 | Led_Zeppelin | Lagbolt, well, I have 100 or so files. They are all ext3 filesystems inside these files. |
| 11:10.45 | Led_Zeppelin | I would like to mount them up without not needed root access. |
| 11:10.58 | Led_Zeppelin | the mount points, I suppose I can make. |
| 11:11.17 | Lagbolt | ah so loopback mounts |
| 11:11.48 | Led_Zeppelin | yep |
| 11:12.03 | Lagbolt | havent done that without setting up sudo but let me take a try |
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| 11:13.48 | Lagbolt | hmm /dev/loop* seem to be group rw for disk. not sure you want to add to that group. would you have a problem doing it with sudo? |
| 11:13.56 | polter | what could make X crash when trying to play a video in totem |
| 11:13.57 | polter | ? |
| 11:14.23 | Led_Zeppelin | Laeborg, not sure if we can restrisct certain things from sudo. Like I don't want to give the user mount of /dev/ devices. Thats just bad |
| 11:14.59 | se7en_ | polter: start it in the terminal and see what happens |
| 11:15.21 | Lagbolt | well sudo can be very restrictive if you want it to be. it is all in how you set it up |
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| 11:16.46 | AbsintheSyringe | let's say I want to set up a debian machine, only x no addition stuff needed, and once you boot it would go directly to virtual windows machine, is that possible via qemu or ... any suggestions? |
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| 11:17.50 | Led_Zeppelin | Lagbolt, you got an example for this? I work better with examples :-p |
| 11:18.58 | Lagbolt | Led_Zeppelin, i am not a pro at setting up sudo. i dont want to give you a command that someone could exploit. google sudo. i will see if i can find anything real quick |
| 11:20.12 | PiousMinion | AbsintheSyringe: yeah, certainly possible... and best done with qemu. :) |
| 11:20.51 | Lagbolt | Led_Zeppelin, one possible way would be to create a script that has the mount command in it for the loop mount. making sure it is specific to iso files and loopback option. put it in /usr/local/sbin then make that file sudo executable |
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| 11:21.25 | PiousMinion | Led_Zeppelin: might want to check out "pmount". :) |
| 11:21.30 | AbsintheSyringe | PiousMinion, excellent, the situation is, we have a lab in which we want to put debian machines with only x and put windows vritual machines on it, so it automatically boots once the system is up, any links how to do that? First thing that came to my mind was definetely qemu ... but how :) |
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| 11:22.11 | PiousMinion | AbsintheSyringe: Well, do you want the user to have to log in to X? |
| 11:22.47 | AbsintheSyringe | PiousMinion, it would be good if you could do that but not necessary, what do you suggest? |
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| 11:24.29 | mezod | hi i'm installing debian and it asks me about which is my primary network interface, i have eth0 intel corporation.... ad eth1 firewire, which one shall i choose? |
| 11:25.08 | PiousMinion | AbsintheSyringe: Well, all you would really have to do is edit a file in the users home dir that specifies which window manager to load and replace it with the qemu command to run fullscreen. I can't remember which file to edit. one moment. |
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| 11:26.16 | AbsintheSyringe | PiousMinion, awesome :) |
| 11:26.26 | mrAZ | my gamepad appears in lsusb as : Bus 001 Device 004: ID 12bd:d02a, but it is no recognised by software. i have hid module loaded. you know where i check if it is supported ? |
| 11:26.38 | PiousMinion | AbsintheSyringe: edit /home/[user]/.xinitrc and change "exec gnome-session" or whatever it says to "exec [qemu command and options]" |
| 11:27.14 | PiousMinion | AbsintheSyringe: I did this once with a thumb drive so booting XP from it wouldn't find new hardware on each new pc. :) |
| 11:28.05 | AbsintheSyringe | PiousMinion, yes that's also one of the "pros" for doing this whole thing |
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| 11:29.01 | PiousMinion | AbsintheSyringe: keep in mind that depending on which [g|k|w|]dm you use, the user may be able to select his own session type and bypass qemu. |
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| 11:29.42 | AbsintheSyringe | PiousMinion, what if I turn off gdm? That should help right? |
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| 11:31.01 | PiousMinion | AbsintheSyringe: Well, then what are you going to use to start X and present the user with a login? |
| 11:31.13 | McNulty | I've just done a dist-upgrade and switched to 'unstable'. I have an unresolved issue with linux-image-2.6.25-2.686, it tries to find a GRUB drive but can't. It may be related to the fact my server is a Xen VPS? |
| 11:31.50 | PiousMinion | you may have to play with different DMs to find one that works. Removing all other session types from the system might work too. |
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| 11:31.58 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 11:31.58 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
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| 11:32.20 | McNulty | dpkg - is that aimed at me? |
| 11:32.21 | dpkg | McNulty: what are you talking about? |
| 11:32.37 | PiousMinion | McNulty: dpkg is the bot, and yes. :P |
| 11:32.41 | mrAZ | :) |
| 11:32.48 | McNulty | ah... |
| 11:32.58 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 11:33.39 | Lagbolt | McNulty, what is that from, that name is so familiar |
| 11:33.48 | McNulty | my nick? |
| 11:33.50 | McNulty | It's my surname |
| 11:33.51 | Lagbolt | yeah |
| 11:33.59 | McNulty | :-) |
| 11:33.59 | PiousMinion | aye, very familiar, idk where it's from either. |
| 11:34.01 | Lagbolt | oh, i swear i have heard that in a movie or something |
| 11:34.07 | McNulty | There's a character in The Wire? |
| 11:34.09 | mrAZ | its from the wire |
| 11:34.13 | Lagbolt | YEAH! |
| 11:34.14 | Lagbolt | thats it |
| 11:34.25 | McNulty | I predate him by a couple of decades :-/ |
| 11:34.27 | Lagbolt | love that guy! |
| 11:34.41 | McNulty | yeah it's an awesome show |
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| 11:34.51 | Lagbolt | anyhow, why did you switch to unstable? |
| 11:34.58 | McNulty | I wanted PHP5.2.6 |
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| 11:35.17 | McNulty | I guess that might be in testing, I was too impulsive to check |
| 11:35.32 | abrotman | that's an awful reason |
| 11:35.37 | McNulty | oh well |
| 11:35.49 | Lagbolt | i agree |
| 11:35.53 | McNulty | What's a better way of getting the newer PHP? |
| 11:35.59 | abrotman | too late now |
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| 11:36.16 | PiousMinion | McNulty: php.net? heh |
| 11:36.21 | Lagbolt | McNulty, maybe backport it |
| 11:36.39 | AbsintheSyringe | PiousMinion, well I was thinking of gdm, or not even gdm, nothing really, my first thought was to stay in console and for qemu to load in full screen |
| 11:36.39 | abrotman | why did you want php 5.2.6 ? |
| 11:36.39 | PiousMinion | Why would you need newer than what is in testing? |
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| 11:37.08 | AbsintheSyringe | PiousMinion, then again you can move back to console, but whatever if you don't have login |
| 11:37.14 | McNulty | abrotman - because I needed >5.2.3 and I'm a PHP dev so thought I'd go for the latest version |
| 11:37.35 | PiousMinion | AbsintheSyringe: idk how you would do it. Maybe with a cronjob that runs a script which in turn fires up X and qemu. idk |
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| 11:37.58 | et | McNulty: to do that, you would use testing and backport php from sid |
| 11:37.58 | AbsintheSyringe | PiousMinion, but if gdm is booting, then qemu qould start automatically? |
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| 11:38.13 | McNulty | well, can I go back to testing now? |
| 11:38.16 | McNulty | Or is it too late |
| 11:38.32 | PiousMinion | AbsintheSyringe: I suppose you could use the gdm auto-login feature if you make sure there is no key combo to bypass it. |
| 11:38.50 | Lagbolt | McNulty, um downgrading not so easy |
| 11:39.08 | Lagbolt | !downgrade |
| 11:39.08 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 11:39.10 | McNulty | I don't mind this server being in unstable really, as it's only hosting my personal site and a couple of other small things |
| 11:39.12 | PiousMinion | McNulty: would be a lot easier and faster to wipe it and start fresh. |
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| 11:39.39 | mrAZ | is lsusb says just Bus 001 Device 004: ID 12bd:d02a, and not more it looks like it did not recognized the device, but dmesg has details like input: 3Axes 8Keys Game Pad as /class/input/input5, input,hidraw1: USB HID v1.10 Gamepad [3Axes 8Keys Game Pad] on usb-0000:00:1d.0-2. |
| 11:39.44 | mrAZ | i am confused |
| 11:39.44 | Lagbolt | McNulty, well you could switch sources back to testing and eventually when it unfreezes and things move into it you will end up with a testing distro again but that might take a while |
| 11:39.45 | zxxd | how can i tell what is using a specific block |
| 11:39.47 | zxxd | keeping it busy |
| 11:39.49 | McNulty | Well, can you help me resolve this problem with linux-image-2.6.25-2.686 or is unstable just not up for discussion here? |
| 11:40.09 | McNulty | Lagbolt - that sounds like a good plan |
| 11:40.21 | PiousMinion | mrAZ: what are you trying to do? |
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| 11:40.36 | Lagbolt | McNulty, could take months. they wont unfreeze until lenny is released. |
| 11:40.39 | abrotman | that is not a plan |
| 11:40.48 | Lagbolt | and yeah its not a plan |
| 11:40.50 | mrAZ | PiousMinion: to get gamepad EU3C MegaPlayer working |
| 11:40.51 | abrotman | McNulty: you do realize that there are no security updates for unstable right ? |
| 11:41.28 | abrotman | McNulty: also .. unstable has a .26 kernel |
| 11:41.29 | McNulty | well you've just said I can't downgrade so what am I meant to do? |
| 11:41.42 | Lagbolt | McNulty, you could reinstall backing up your /home and server files. quick install and use dpkg get-selections to reinstall everything |
| 11:42.02 | McNulty | hmmm |
| 11:42.12 | Lagbolt | !tell McNulty about debian clone |
| 11:42.21 | McNulty | ok can everyone forget the last 10 mins ever happened? I just checked and it's 'testing' I switched to |
| 11:42.27 | abrotman | lies! |
| 11:42.30 | Lagbolt | it doesnt take long to reinstall if you know all the packages you want |
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| 11:42.41 | abrotman | he tells us lies! |
| 11:42.42 | anAngel | Hello. I would like to ask is there any difference between these packages: squid and squid3. And which one would you recommend. I am using Debian stable 4.0r3 |
| 11:42.48 | McNulty | abrotman - promise |
| 11:42.55 | McNulty | That's why the error is with .25 i guess |
| 11:42.58 | abrotman | anAngel: i'd guess one is squid2 .. the other squid3 |
| 11:43.04 | abrotman | McNulty: what is the actual error? |
| 11:43.52 | McNulty | when I do apt-get upgrade, it tries to set up linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 |
| 11:44.01 | abrotman | and? |
| 11:44.04 | McNulty | It errors with: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda1. Check your device.map. |
| 11:44.18 | abrotman | but it's a VPS? |
| 11:44.24 | McNulty | yep, Xen |
| 11:45.27 | McNulty | that's causing linux-image-2.6-686 to not install too |
| 11:45.27 | abrotman | you could look at the device.map ... i'm not sure how xen interacts with the bootloader |
| 11:45.34 | abrotman | well .. that's a metapackage |
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| 11:46.11 | PiousMinion | What's the best way to keep 2 local dirs synced? Any way to apply RAID1 to a dir instead of a device? lol |
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| 11:46.38 | McNulty | ok, /boot/grub/device.map just has: (hd0) /dev/hdb |
| 11:47.25 | abrotman | PiousMinion: rsync ? |
| 11:47.33 | wols | PiousMinion: unison maybe? |
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| 11:48.53 | PiousMinion | rsync I would have to run all the time to sync them. Would this also be true for unison? |
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| 11:49.36 | Led_Zeppelin | Laeborg, pmount only works for /dev/. My devices are files remember :-) |
| 11:49.48 | stderr | PiousMinion: What are you trying to do? Or rather: Why? |
| 11:50.16 | abrotman | PiousMinion: you could cron the rsync |
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| 11:50.55 | mezod | the partition for the swap must be primary or logic? |
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| 11:51.01 | abrotman | doesn't matter |
| 11:51.09 | McNulty | abrotman - looks like it's true that there's no GRUB for /dev/sda1 - not sure how to get around that |
| 11:51.25 | PiousMinion | stderr: I want to keep 2 directories synced at all times. Looking at it like RAID1, but for dirs instead of devices. DFS might be what I'm looking for but idk where to begin with that. |
| 11:51.47 | wols | McNulty: add it do your device.map, install grub afresh |
| 11:51.49 | stderr | PiousMinion: Ok, but why? |
| 11:51.55 | xand | make one a symlink to the other :p |
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| 11:52.26 | McNulty | wols - this is inside Xen so I'm not sure how it works at all! |
| 11:52.41 | PiousMinion | stderr: why not? I don't understand. |
| 11:53.29 | stderr | PiousMinion: I'm just trying to find out why you want to do that and not, like xand wrote, just make a symlink. |
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| 11:54.25 | PiousMinion | stderr: a symlink would only be 1 copy of data accessed from 2 locations. I want 2 copies of the same, synced, data to be accessed from 1 location. |
| 11:55.01 | PiousMinion | backup is the goal |
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| 11:55.51 | stderr | PiousMinion: Ok. rsync could be used... Something like -HSax and maybe --delete. |
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| 11:56.14 | steinrs | any hexdump packages available for debian? |
| 11:56.31 | steinrs | running ubuntu 8.0.4 server |
| 11:56.32 | PiousMinion | right, but then I would have to worry about it running and finding problems it needed my input on. |
| 11:56.39 | PiousMinion | stderr: ^ |
| 11:56.49 | stderr | steinrs: bsdmainutils: /usr/bin/hexdump |
| 11:57.04 | zxxd | hello |
| 11:57.13 | zxxd | how can i tell what program is using a kernel module |
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| 11:57.19 | steinrs | thanks |
| 11:57.41 | stderr | steinrs: No problem. |
| 11:57.59 | steinrs | probably ways to dump a file as hex without it though... |
| 11:58.07 | stderr | PiousMinion: If you're not afraid of a little coding, you could make something with fuse... :-) |
| 11:58.31 | stderr | steinrs: od -t x1 if I remember correctly... |
| 11:58.48 | stderr | steinrs: But I like hexdump -C |
| 12:00.08 | stderr | steinrs: bsdmainutils has "Priority: important" so I think it's already installed. |
| 12:00.22 | steinrs | hm, hexdump is not available |
| 12:00.28 | steinrs | but od seems good enough |
| 12:00.38 | steinrs | especially if i can make it mix ascii with the hex output :) |
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| 12:01.58 | stderr | steinrs: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search hexdump :-) |
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| 12:02.30 | steinrs | -t x1 -t a did the tricks, but thanks |
| 12:02.36 | steinrs | trick* |
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| 12:07.07 | sivy | Is there a possibility to configure wifi with ndiswrapper at installation process of debian? I'd like to install the tiny cd image, and let the installer download KDE and some other staff. |
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| 12:15.21 | Solak | Hello. |
| 12:15.25 | opensrcguru | zxxd: what are you trying to do/see? |
| 12:15.42 | zxxd | opensrcguru, i have a module that refuses to unload |
| 12:15.46 | zxxd | drbd |
| 12:16.42 | opensrcguru | zxxd: there probably another module that depends on it. kernel modules are not userspace dependant |
| 12:17.15 | Solak | noticed a strange problem during boot this morning: |
| 12:17.21 | opensrcguru | zxxd: what is the output of `lsmod | grep drbd` |
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| 12:17.47 | Solak | "synthesizing the initial hotplug events.../etc/rcS.d/S03udev: line 292: udevtrigger: command not found" |
| 12:17.52 | Solak | "failed" (in red) |
| 12:18.07 | Solak | ik zie na die failed alleen de melding "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated..." |
| 12:18.13 | Solak | oops, sorry |
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| 12:18.24 | opensrcguru | Solak: strange indeed |
| 12:19.02 | Solak | after that it continues, but only / is available. |
| 12:19.02 | opensrcguru | Solak: does /sbin/udevtrigger exist? |
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| 12:19.20 | Solak | opensrcguru: no (at least, find didn't find it) |
| 12:19.31 | Solak | but I'll recheck... |
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| 12:20.01 | opensrcguru | Solak: is it possible that it was accidently removed? |
| 12:20.15 | Solak | opensrcguru: no, but udevadm is (and that seems to take a command "trigger") |
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| 12:20.34 | Micha_Btz | hi all |
| 12:20.40 | Solak | opensrcguru: not by me, but perhaps an apt-get update / dist-upgrade messed things up |
| 12:21.02 | zxxd | opensrcguru, lsmod |grep drbd |
| 12:21.02 | zxxd | drbd 245928 3 |
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| 12:21.32 | zxxd | what does 3 mean opensrcguru |
| 12:21.41 | stderr | Solak: udevtrigger is in the "udev"-package. Is that package installed on your box? |
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| 12:22.10 | opensrcguru | zxxd: i think is the number of times the modules is referenced. |
| 12:22.31 | Solak | stderr: I assume it is... |
| 12:22.49 | Micha_Btz | i have a problem with aclocal from automake package, is's create the aclocal.m4 file, but without the makro for XDT_CHECK_PACKAGE. so my configure script is not running. |
| 12:23.10 | Solak | btw, I have "Lenny" installed. |
| 12:23.11 | stderr | Solak: Well, if a dist-upgrade messed things up, maybe it isn't anymore... |
| 12:23.14 | opensrcguru | zxxd: never mind. it is the number of another modules that it is used by |
| 12:23.14 | zxxd | opensrcguru, how do i find out what is referencing it |
| 12:23.28 | zxxd | opensrcguru, it dosen't list them |
| 12:23.32 | Micha_Btz | how can i get aclocal to create this ones |
| 12:24.08 | Solak | stderr: is there a way to get the network up and running before the safemode starts? |
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| 12:24.26 | Solak | stderr: if so, I could try to rerun apt-get update / apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:24.42 | opensrcguru | zxxd: the full output will show it. try `modinfo drbd` to see what its dependencies are. |
| 12:24.47 | Solak | otherwise I could try to replace sbin from tape, but that might be messing up more things. |
| 12:25.25 | stderr | Solak: You could try /etc/init.d/networking start |
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| 12:25.32 | zxxd | opensrcguru, dosen't depend on anything |
| 12:25.39 | zxxd | opensrcguru, |
| 12:26.14 | opensrcguru | zxxd: is there anything in /proc/drbd? |
| 12:26.30 | matal | hello, i uncommented the line -:wheel:ALL EXCEPT LOCAL .win.tue.nl in /etc/security/access.conf but i still can login as root, is there something i need to restart for the change to take effect ? |
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| 12:26.59 | stderr | I'm trying to find "Alaric". About a year ago, he/she was trying to install debian on an i1300. Does anyone know if he/she had any luck? |
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| 12:27.46 | zxxd | opensrcguru, yes |
| 12:27.52 | zxxd | opensrcguru, the drbd status |
| 12:28.16 | zxxd | ah i know what's the problem :) |
| 12:28.26 | Solak | stderr: that works, thanks! |
| 12:28.31 | zxxd | no i dont |
| 12:28.32 | zxxd | :( |
| 12:29.05 | opensrcguru | zxxd: try this `/etc/init.d/drbd stop && rmmod -f drbd` |
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| 12:29.46 | Solak | stderr: and it reveals a checksum problem for binaries-i386 (in main) |
| 12:30.04 | zxxd | /dev/drbd0: State change failed: (-12) Device is held open by someone |
| 12:30.06 | Solak | stderr: seems I have to figure out how to fix that first :| |
| 12:30.09 | zxxd | Command '/sbin/drbdsetup /dev/drbd0 down' terminated with exit code 11 |
| 12:30.21 | zxxd | ERROR: Module drbd is in use |
| 12:30.31 | opensrcguru | zxxd: is /dev/drbd0 mounted somewhere? |
| 12:30.35 | zxxd | no |
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| 12:30.47 | opensrcguru | zxxd: are you sure? |
| 12:30.59 | zxxd | yes |
| 12:31.17 | stderr | Solak: Are you talking about a problem with one of the mirrors? |
| 12:31.32 | opensrcguru | zxxd: pastebin your /etc/drbd.conf |
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| 12:32.50 | zxxd | opensrcguru, http://pastebin.com/m6c3552f0 |
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| 12:36.03 | zxxd | opensrcguru, i think it's clvmd |
| 12:36.03 | opensrcguru | zxxd: looks like xendrive is the only resource....is that correct? |
| 12:36.03 | zxxd | opensrcguru, but i manually killed it |
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| 12:39.04 | matal | hello, i uncommented the line -:wheel:ALL EXCEPT LOCAL .win.tue.nl in /etc/security/access.conf but i still can login as root, is there something i need to restart for the change to take effect ? |
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| 12:41.25 | abrotman | !wheel |
| 12:41.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wheel is n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. Irrelevant in debian default configs. You can use a PAM module to allow only group wheel to su to root (as is the default in some Unices), or to allow group wheel to su to root without a password. See man pam_wheel for details. |
| 12:41.47 | abrotman | that kind of wheel? |
| 12:41.52 | fatalerrors | hey guys... i need help ! I've try to copy my hold debian installation in my new computer but something is not working properlly |
| 12:42.41 | zxxd | opensrcguru, yes |
| 12:42.42 | McNulty | Is there a way to tell apt to ignore the two packages I'm having trouble installing? |
| 12:42.53 | McNulty | I'm waiting to hear back from my server support |
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| 12:42.59 | Solak | stderr: problem fixed, thanks! (I did two apt-get update's and a dist-upgrade (couldn't use the dialogs because keymap was messed up, but managed to reinstall udev and that did the trick) |
| 12:43.00 | fatalerrors | i've done the copy then depmod then modprobe and boot loader installation |
| 12:43.20 | fatalerrors | but when i boot filesystem is read only |
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| 12:43.36 | zxxd | opensrcguru, i did have clvmd running wich does make the drbd resource busy |
| 12:43.39 | fatalerrors | root filesystem to be precise |
| 12:43.45 | zxxd | opensrcguru, i violenty killed it with -9 |
| 12:43.47 | douglas | can I start a program running in X on a remote machine using ssh? How? |
| 12:43.47 | wald0 | how i can disable the check of the partition in the boot process from the fstab ? |
| 12:43.48 | fatalerrors | what's wrong? |
| 12:43.51 | abrotman | McNulty: you'd want to get those fixed .. have you checked the BTS? |
| 12:44.04 | abrotman | wald0: why are they being checked? |
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| 12:44.15 | wald0 | i have a external hard disk that i connect sometimes, so on every boot of the system the boot ask me for a maintenance stuff because the check was failed |
| 12:44.21 | McNulty | abrotman - I've got a ticket in with the server support to see if it's a Xen thing |
| 12:44.22 | McNulty | BTS? |
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| 12:44.44 | wald0 | abrotman: maybe because is not connected that disk |
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| 12:44.56 | anth | hi, i've somte problems with mit touchscrren |
| 12:45.03 | abrotman | wald0: you could comment it out in the fstab |
| 12:45.09 | abrotman | !tell McNulty about bts |
| 12:45.10 | douglas | I guess another way to ask that question is can you start a program in tty7 from another tty? |
| 12:45.16 | anth | i try to install a touchscreendriver on my lifebook |
| 12:45.19 | wald0 | abrotman: so uncomment it everytime i want to use it ? :/ |
| 12:45.28 | abrotman | wald0: or set 'noauto' |
| 12:45.45 | wald0 | abrotman: yes, that's just how it are set, but aparently the check wants to check it also |
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| 12:46.05 | anth | if i set device to /dev/input/ts0, ican't move the mouse, the courser jumps back to the middel of the screen :-( |
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| 12:46.16 | anth | but the touchscreen doesn't work :-( |
| 12:46.18 | wald0 | i had thought that "noauto" can disable the check, but aparently no |
| 12:46.30 | abrotman | wald0: if it's noauto .. it shouldn't try to mount it on boot |
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| 12:47.19 | wald0 | abrotman: UUID=67c3b99f-39b2-4c55-895d-3c33f8562fcc /mnt/disk-external-2 reiserfs defaults,noauto 0 2 |
| 12:48.04 | abrotman | defaults includes auto .. not sure which would win .. i'd guess the noauto since it is explicitly stated |
| 12:48.16 | wald0 | ok, let me try.. |
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| 12:49.15 | wald0 | but it is not supposed that noauto overwrite the defaults parameters ? is not the first time that i use "defaults" and some own options after it |
| 12:51.13 | fatalerrors | i really need to copy my old debian installation to my new computer... but the new one is very different. somebody know how to do that? |
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| 12:56.04 | Lagbolt | fatalerrors, how is it different? |
| 12:56.06 | Lagbolt | hardware? |
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| 12:57.01 | fatalerrors | Lagbolt: the old one was a desktop pc based on an amd athlon xp |
| 12:57.19 | Lagbolt | is the old one running etch? |
| 12:57.22 | fatalerrors | Lagbolt: the new one is a dell laptop |
| 12:57.35 | Lagbolt | oh you want to have same install from desktop moved to laptop |
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| 12:57.49 | Broady | if i put in a cron "touch foo" <--- where will foo be? |
| 12:57.50 | fatalerrors | Lagbolt: yes exactly |
| 12:57.56 | Broady | homedir? |
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| 12:58.12 | Lagbolt | fatalerrors, you should have no trouble |
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| 12:58.45 | fatalerrors | Lagbolt: i've only 3GB of data allowance for internet so i can't do a full installation |
| 12:58.50 | Lagbolt | !tell fatalerrors about debian clone |
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| 12:59.45 | sladi | fatalerrors: yes, you can copy apt package cache too |
| 13:00.34 | fatalerrors | Lagbolt: i've done a copy of nearly all the hard drive with a live cd and install the boot loader |
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| 13:01.40 | fatalerrors | Lagbolt: when i boot it's in readonly mode so i can't do any changes like depmod |
| 13:02.02 | fatalerrors | Lagbolt: how can i do? |
| 13:02.03 | Lagbolt | how did you copy it? via local network? |
| 13:02.44 | fatalerrors | no i've connected the old drive via usb |
| 13:03.08 | Lagbolt | could you boot off it via usb? |
| 13:03.19 | Lagbolt | what command did you use to copy? |
| 13:03.20 | fatalerrors | select all dirs exept /dev and copy |
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| 13:03.37 | fatalerrors | mc |
| 13:03.40 | Lagbolt | what was the command |
| 13:04.06 | fatalerrors | in mc select all and F5 to copy |
| 13:04.20 | fatalerrors | midnight commander |
| 13:04.24 | Lagbolt | does that preserve owner/group stuff |
| 13:04.30 | fatalerrors | yes |
| 13:04.52 | fatalerrors | and no symlink interpretation |
| 13:05.15 | fatalerrors | i don't think it's because of the copy |
| 13:05.20 | fatalerrors | it's drivers |
| 13:05.22 | Lagbolt | do you get an error? |
| 13:05.29 | Lagbolt | drivers? what kernel are you using? |
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| 13:06.15 | fatalerrors | yes i've read the kernel message and it can't load the sata driver of my new laptop |
| 13:06.24 | fatalerrors | 2.6.22-2 |
| 13:06.46 | fatalerrors | debian sid with last update 9 month ago |
| 13:07.20 | Lagbolt | fatalerrors, is that driver available in the 22 kern? |
| 13:07.41 | Lagbolt | fatalerrors, maybe you should think about booting up the athlonxp and install later kern if that would help with drivers |
| 13:08.03 | fatalerrors | yes i know i just have to do a depmod then modprobe |
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| 13:08.35 | fatalerrors | but how to do it if the filesystem is read only |
| 13:08.51 | fatalerrors | impossible the athlon xp system is dead |
| 13:08.56 | Lagbolt | if the sata module is not loading how is it mounting RO? |
| 13:08.58 | fatalerrors | that's why |
| 13:09.02 | Lagbolt | ah i see |
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| 13:09.35 | Lagbolt | works ok with live cd? you could do a chroot and upgrade the kernel that way |
| 13:09.37 | fatalerrors | it's the ide emulation of the kernel |
| 13:09.44 | fatalerrors | yes |
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| 13:10.41 | fatalerrors | good idea but i don't really know how to do it... because the kernel version on the live cd and my system is different |
| 13:11.51 | fatalerrors | do you know a website explaining this kind of manipulation? |
| 13:13.14 | Lagbolt | what kern is on live cd? 24? |
| 13:13.47 | fatalerrors | ubuntu 804... i'm not sure |
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| 13:14.34 | gngkai | hi |
| 13:14.42 | fatalerrors | i have also the debian installation cd with 2.6.18 |
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| 13:15.36 | gngkai | I'm using lenny and I want to install heartbeat. It depends on iptables (?!?) but I don't want to install it because I'm using a compiled version |
| 13:15.40 | fatalerrors | i think ubuntu live come with a 2.6.24 |
| 13:16.00 | gngkai | what can I do in order to install heartbeat without iptables? |
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| 13:16.15 | jelly | fatalerrors: you can insmod /path/to/blah.ko manually without doing depmod |
| 13:16.19 | Lagbolt | use a debian live cd i think would be best for fixing it with a chroot. not sure how well that will work with a ubuntu live |
| 13:16.58 | fatalerrors | jelly: chroot the this command line? |
| 13:17.15 | fatalerrors | //s the then |
| 13:17.32 | ma3x | how do i launch a second screen on ctrl+alt+f8? |
| 13:17.38 | ma3x | with another user on the same scren |
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| 13:22.45 | fatalerrors | Lagbolt: if i boot on the debian live i do a chroot and after what i have to do? |
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| 13:23.35 | sladi | ma3x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xnest |
| 13:24.22 | fireba11 | how to find out if an installed debian is 32 or 64-bit ? |
| 13:24.30 | wols | fatalerrors: install a newer kernel |
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| 13:24.37 | wols | fatalerrors: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 13:24.47 | sladi | ma3x: I don't know, maybe "startx :1" is ok too? |
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| 13:24.50 | fireba11 | wols: ah, thanks |
| 13:25.07 | fatalerrors | wols: ok |
| 13:25.19 | fireba11 | okay, anyone got any idea why a amd64 debian would show only 4 GB of 8 GB installed ram ? :-D |
| 13:25.24 | wols | fatalerrors: and check what hdd controller your lappy has |
| 13:25.29 | ma3x | sladi: server is already active for display 0 |
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| 13:25.32 | fatalerrors | it sounds good |
| 13:25.32 | wols | fireba11: does BIOS recognize 8GB? |
| 13:25.35 | fireba11 | note: upgraded later, but shouldn't make any difference |
| 13:25.38 | fireba11 | wols: yes |
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| 13:25.58 | fatalerrors | wols: i will try this |
| 13:26.00 | sladi | ma3x: OK, xephyr is used by Gnome IIRC. Xnest or Xephyr should do it. |
| 13:26.13 | wols | fatalerrors: better check than just "try" |
| 13:26.33 | fatalerrors | wols: you're right :) |
| 13:27.04 | fatalerrors | if i have more problem i will let you know |
| 13:27.12 | fatalerrors | thanks a lot |
| 13:27.51 | fireba11 | wols: i thought maybe the server docu is wrong and it was only a 32-bit install but it's amd64 ... *confused* |
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| 13:28.50 | wols | dunno what it is, fro, 3 to 4 GB there are sometimes problems but haven't seen from 4 onwards yet |
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| 13:30.13 | fireba11 | okay, will have to fiddle around with the server a bit then .. the developer who is using it won't likt that though .-D |
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| 13:32.09 | zxxd | why is the gtf util gone? |
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| 13:40.14 | harpal | any one used splashy? I am getting error that framebuffer is not configured |
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| 13:44.38 | wols | then configure it in your kernel |
| 13:44.41 | wols | !framebuffer |
| 13:44.41 | dpkg | framebuffer is, like, a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see <fbcon>. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. <blacklist> to negate it. |
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| 13:46.00 | smhar | greetings |
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| 13:49.31 | zxxd | do portmap in clients need to have direct access to nfs servers? meaning listening not on something like 127.0.0.1 ? |
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| 13:51.21 | zamba | software to monitor bandwidth usage? |
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| 13:51.38 | smhar | I am trying to install vmware on my debian lenny system. I downloaded vm workstationand installed it then found that it is a pay program. then I downloaded vm-server and tried to install it but it keep giving me errors in the install script that 'unable to build vmmon module' this is the output where the errors started: http://paste.debian.net/15204/ please help |
| 13:51.46 | JordiGH | zamba: Gnome system monitor? :-) |
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| 13:53.20 | sladi | zamba: pload |
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| 13:54.23 | themill | smhar: try the vmware-package package for building debs of the vmware packages and you will need to get either a newer version of vmware (if available) or an any-any patch as described by in the vmware-package documentation. |
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| 13:57.05 | smhar | themill: there is no vmware-package in my apt-cache, where to get it from? |
| 13:57.30 | stew | !wb themill |
| 13:57.30 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! themill has returned! |
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| 13:57.37 | themill | g'day stew! |
| 13:58.06 | themill | smhar: ahh... it was in lenny but was removed recently to prevent it from being released with lenny.... grab the package from sid. |
| 13:58.27 | JordiGH | Wow, dpkg is rather enthusiastic. |
| 13:58.35 | JordiGH | stew, are you still working on that tiling wm? |
| 13:58.46 | themill | Maybe I'm worth being enthusiastic about!? |
| 13:59.01 | JordiGH | themill: I guess that's a remote possibility. ;-) |
| 13:59.18 | stew | JordiGH: sproadically, but yes. its the only one i've used in the last year. i know of at least 3 other users, one of which is my wife |
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| 13:59.43 | stew | JordiGH: it went into experimental recently, only so that clint could file a bunch of bugs on it. i've started fixing those |
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| 13:59.58 | JordiGH | stew: Ooh, what is it called again? |
| 14:00.01 | JordiGH | apt-cache search stewe |
| 14:00.34 | JordiGH | tritium! |
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| 14:03.26 | araknozzo | hallo. i need some help on a network configuration |
| 14:03.38 | JordiGH | Ha! stew doesn't like GPLv3. |
| 14:03.48 | araknozzo | i have a server on 192.168.1.1 and a client on 192.168.1.2 |
| 14:04.04 | araknozzo | i need this client to reach a service on 10.0.0.1 |
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| 14:04.26 | araknozzo | it is a static programmed route i cannot change |
| 14:04.35 | araknozzo | how can i simulate 10.0.0.1 on 192.168.1.1? |
| 14:05.00 | barnum | add an alias lon the 10.0.0.0 subnet on that interface |
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| 14:05.12 | tkbeat | hi |
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| 14:05.47 | araknozzo | but i want only the client to see my server also as 10.0.0.1 no other machines |
| 14:05.50 | araknozzo | only that one |
| 14:05.50 | stew | oh, i should probably relicense it |
| 14:06.05 | tkbeat | i am looking for the libdb2-dev file ? apt-get means that this package is not in the repository , but it is referenced by another package |
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| 14:06.17 | mezod | which irc client do you recommend me to use under debian? |
| 14:06.26 | araknozzo | mezod: use irssi |
| 14:06.27 | tkbeat | irssi |
| 14:06.32 | mezod | ok thx |
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| 14:08.03 | zamba | sladi: for CLI usage (bandwidth monitor) |
| 14:08.23 | sladi | zamba: nload IIRC |
| 14:08.41 | zamba | sladi: ok, thanks |
| 14:08.48 | sladi | zamba: there is also ntop and htop and atop |
| 14:08.55 | araknozzo | barnum: what about some vlan interface? |
| 14:08.57 | sladi | zamba: NP :) |
| 14:08.59 | araknozzo | would it be useful? |
| 14:09.00 | zamba | sladi: htop is more for processes, isn't it? |
| 14:09.32 | sladi | zamba: sorry, atop was it then. |
| 14:09.33 | zamba | sladi: ah, nload was ok enough.. but i want a bit more detail.. able to see ports and hosts and stuff like that |
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| 14:09.46 | JordiGH | tkbeat: xchat! |
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| 14:09.52 | JordiGH | !start an irc client war |
| 14:09.53 | dpkg | mIRC is crap |
| 14:10.00 | sladi | zamba: I only tried those though. |
| 14:10.09 | JordiGH | pats dpkg. But that's not a very warful statement. ;-) |
| 14:10.15 | tkbeat | JordiGH, that was not my question |
| 14:10.28 | tkbeat | i am looking for the libdb2-dev file ? apt-get means that this package is not in the repository , but it is referenced by another package |
| 14:10.49 | tkbeat | so how can i find that file for debian etch ? |
| 14:11.02 | JordiGH | tkbeat: Sorry, that was meant for mezod. |
| 14:11.05 | JordiGH | mezod: ^^ |
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| 14:11.11 | tkbeat | yes |
| 14:11.13 | tkbeat | ok |
| 14:11.42 | tom | can somebody help me with this daemon.log entry? "Aug 20 15:59:29 mail named[10428]: none:0: open: /etc/bind/rndc.key: permission denied" - i have -rw-r----- 1 bind bind 77 Jan 27 2008 /etc/bind/rndc.key |
| 14:12.03 | tom | and named seems to be running as root |
| 14:12.50 | zamba | /etc/bind/rndc.key has to be set root:bind |
| 14:12.51 | rto | tom: Is there space left on that device? |
| 14:13.10 | tom | rto: yes, 363 MB free (88% full) |
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| 14:13.50 | themill | !wayttd tkbeat |
| 14:13.50 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, tkbeat? |
| 14:14.46 | rto | tom: Sounds like that should be able to hold 77 bytes ;-) |
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| 14:15.22 | tom | rto: and i think it's only trying to open it, not to write |
| 14:16.44 | tom | rto: it works when i chown the file to root |
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| 14:16.53 | tom | rto: wasn't root supposed to be the user that can do everything? |
| 14:16.58 | rto | tom: Good point, come to think of it i think i have met "no more space on device" before. |
| 14:17.08 | rto | tom: Could be a bind thing |
| 14:17.27 | tom | rto: how's that possible? |
| 14:18.00 | rto | tom: bind might check that the owner of the bind executable is the same as the owner of the rndc.key file or something similar. |
| 14:18.14 | tom | rto: hmm right, i was just thinking the same thing |
| 14:18.15 | sim_sim | Hi ! i have a laptop linked to a lcd screen. The "image" is on my screen's laptop but i want it on my lcd. I tried several time with aticonfig ( i have got an ati card .. ) but it's always "random" for the succes ... I wonder if there was a better way to proceed ? |
| 14:18.25 | rto | tom: Or just that the user running the process should be the same as the file owner. |
| 14:18.38 | rto | Security can be funny things sometimes. |
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| 14:19.27 | Rio____ | hio |
| 14:19.56 | Rio____ | is someone in the mood to send me an debian tftp ig file for debian? |
| 14:20.00 | Rio____ | img |
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| 14:20.30 | breakz | noob question, how to give another user full read/write access to a folder in my folders? |
| 14:20.36 | barnum | here let me compile a 'custom' kernel for you real quick |
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| 14:20.53 | barnum | rio dont take images from people get them from the debian mirrors |
| 14:21.06 | rto | Rio____: To my recollection the installer manual describes it very nicely. |
| 14:21.14 | sim_sim | breakz: chmod 077 yourdirectory |
| 14:21.17 | Rio____ | didn t find them there.. ill look again :P |
| 14:21.29 | sim_sim | breakz: no i m wrong |
| 14:21.40 | stew | breakz: add him to a group that has read/write access to the folders and their contents ; man chmod ; man chown ; man chgrp ; http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 14:21.40 | breakz | its a public webfolder to so eh? |
| 14:21.53 | rto | breakz: Or if you are both in the same group you can give the group read/write access - stew beat me to it :) |
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| 14:22.16 | breakz | lol thx i'll check out the permissions wiki |
| 14:22.16 | breakz | :) |
| 14:22.27 | zack23 | I was wondering if anyone knew of any good filesystem replication apps? Such as http://www.drbd.org/download/packages/ ? |
| 14:22.53 | Rio____ | im pretty sure there are no tftp images on the debian site |
| 14:23.06 | Rio____ | i have no linux available to build a file myselve |
| 14:23.26 | mns | Anyone have a Sony Ericsson phone that they've got working via Bluetooth to their Debian system ? Any pointers to information about how to get it connected ? |
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| 14:24.20 | JordiGH | stew hates freedom! |
| 14:24.32 | JordiGH | terrorist. |
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| 14:29.23 | El_Presidente | hello, i updated to the new 2.6.24etchnhalf kernel now my system shows just 885mb lowmem and not the full 2gb is there a bugreport for that? or what is wrong? |
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| 14:29.33 | OpenTokix | chmod a+s /bin/chmod |
| 14:29.35 | OpenTokix | =) |
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| 14:30.08 | Daaan | Hi all. How to make Intel 3945 wireless card work in Lenny? There were some proprietary stuff from Intel in Etch, but the packages have been removed from Lenny. What is replacing those? |
| 14:30.36 | stew | OpenTokix: please don't do that |
| 14:30.40 | themill | El_Presidente: did you install the -486 kernel not the -686 kernel? (uname -r) |
| 14:30.56 | El_Presidente | themill, you are right :( |
| 14:31.00 | themill | dpkg: tell Daaan about iwlwifi |
| 14:31.12 | El_Presidente | themill, thank you very much ;() |
| 14:31.18 | themill | El_Presidente: no worries |
| 14:32.28 | Rio____ | dont i need a memdisk file to boot via tftp? atleast freebsd need one ... i cant find it on tzhe deb servers |
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| 14:33.34 | smhar_ | themill: the only one available in sid is: 0.22: amd64 i386 and I am using a 32bit lenny |
| 14:33.46 | OpenTokix | stew: =) |
| 14:34.15 | wols | smhar_: backport |
| 14:34.16 | themill | smhar_: grab the i386 package then (that is most likely what you mean by 32 bit) |
| 14:34.50 | wols | themill: snce he's using sid, he should backport imho |
| 14:35.01 | bol_ | What is the standard kernel in lenny these days? |
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| 14:35.26 | wols | 2.6.24 |
| 14:35.26 | araknozzo | i would like to create an alias interface on a tap0 openvpn device |
| 14:35.27 | araknozzo | will it work? |
| 14:35.29 | wols | erm, 2.6.25 rather |
| 14:35.31 | bol_ | wols: ok |
| 14:35.33 | themill | wols: it's a python script and designed to be lenny/sid compatible. |
| 14:35.38 | Nyle | Good morning |
| 14:35.38 | wols | ah, k |
| 14:35.54 | araknozzo | it is a virtual interface on a virtual interface |
| 14:35.55 | araknozzo | ... |
| 14:35.56 | araknozzo | mhm |
| 14:36.50 | themill | wols: (vmware-package was in lenny up until a couple of weeks ago and removed just to make sure it didn't release with lenny as it depends on checksums of the vmware downloads so it has the adobe flash player problem) |
| 14:37.37 | El_Presidente | themill, is kernel-package the right package for me? |
| 14:38.06 | Maliuta | kernel-package is supposedly deprecated, but I continue to use it |
| 14:38.22 | themill | El_Presidente: just to install the etchnhalf kernel? no, linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
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| 14:38.30 | El_Presidente | okay |
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| 14:38.56 | Maliuta | anyone able to tell me what I should use to replace kernel-package? |
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| 14:39.37 | wols | Maliuta: there is no rplacement |
| 14:39.40 | Gillpy | How can I start the X server and not have my tty switch to it automatically? |
| 14:39.46 | wols | kernel-package is a script to compile a kernel from source |
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| 14:39.56 | sim_sim | hi again ! |
| 14:40.17 | Maliuta | wols: I know what kernel-package is, make-kpkg is my friend |
| 14:40.29 | Maliuta | wols: the point is it is supposedly deprecated |
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| 14:40.43 | zamba | how can i check if all elements in a list is empty (''), without using any() (i'm on 2.4 and can't upgrade to 2.5) |
| 14:40.46 | zamba | wow |
| 14:40.47 | stew | Maliuta: there is not a replacement yet |
| 14:40.49 | zamba | wrong channel :) |
| 14:41.05 | wols | stew: it will go away? |
| 14:41.35 | sim_sim | I'm using an ati card. I have a laptop and an lcdscreen i want to get the image only on the lcd screen. I use d to use aticonfig with many differents options to suceed, but i don't understand always what im trying. And it can't make it work this time. Does anyone know how to get the proper configuration ? |
| 14:41.55 | stew | wols: manoj claims he's going to start from scratch, i don't know if that will actually happen or if it does what the new one will be called if not 'kernel-package'/'make-kpkg' |
| 14:42.05 | Maliuta | stew: I was wondering, it is a useful thing and it is not dealing with some things these days |
| 14:42.10 | themill | solemnwarning: already gone, it seems |
| 14:42.15 | themill | errr... wols^^ |
| 14:42.18 | stew | wols: he actually filed a RM: becuase he didnt' realize that linux-2.6 actuall Build-Depends: on it |
| 14:42.19 | El_Presidente | themill, it worked ty ;) |
| 14:42.22 | genin | stew: you australian? |
| 14:42.40 | stew | genin: in fact, i'm not! |
| 14:42.43 | genin | HEH |
| 14:42.49 | Maliuta | what's wrong with .au? |
| 14:42.49 | genin | just a shot in the dark |
| 14:42.57 | stew | can't win them all |
| 14:42.59 | genin | been looking for a irc friend for years named stew |
| 14:43.25 | genin | nothing wrong mate other than heaps of bloody drongo , bludger bogans |
| 14:43.27 | genin | :p |
| 14:43.41 | Maliuta | glares at genin |
| 14:43.46 | genin | we love our vegemite |
| 14:43.54 | genin | i love aeroplane jelllliiiii |
| 14:44.02 | genin | luckyyyyyyy your with amy |
| 14:44.05 | genin | :p |
| 14:44.09 | themill | points the aussie fanclub into #debian-offtopic |
| 14:44.27 | Maliuta | points themill to www.getalife.com |
| 14:44.28 | genin | im using debian if that is any consellation |
| 14:44.33 | liable | points out that we arent all dickheads |
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| 14:45.00 | genin | sorry ive been on efnet all day |
| 14:45.07 | genin | i forgot freenode is hyper serious |
| 14:45.19 | liable | no |
| 14:45.29 | liable | we just aren't all wankers |
| 14:45.43 | themill | genin: not hyperserious, just that if all 875 people on this channel rambled as you are doing so, we'd never get anything done at all. |
| 14:45.54 | genin | that is very true |
| 14:46.02 | Maliuta | themill: things get done in here? |
| 14:46.06 | Maliuta | laughs |
| 14:46.09 | genin | i asked some debian related questions earlier |
| 14:46.11 | themill | only by accident |
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| 14:46.20 | genin | and the info i was provided with got my boss off my back |
| 14:46.23 | genin | so thank you |
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| 14:52.16 | ma3x | why when i play a movie with mplayer from a 2nd screen on the same computer, it says: AL lib: alsa.c:785: no playback cards found... AL lib: alsa.c:853: no capture cards found... |
| 14:52.27 | ma3x | (different user) |
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| 14:55.29 | Nosferax | where can I get kernel headers except from repositories |
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| 15:00.08 | liable | Nosferax: if you are after old ones, snapshot.debian.net |
| 15:00.47 | Rio____ | "could not find kernel image linux" its says at my tftp attempt, im booting from a windows box via tftp33, i have an linux file from the debian morrors in my tftp directory so wheres that error comming from? any know problems? |
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| 15:01.43 | Daaan | Hi again all. Thanks for the help with the wireless network drivers a few minutes ago. It works now. |
| 15:02.02 | themill | Daaan: :) |
| 15:02.31 | Daaan | I am curious, is there a Blu-Ray disc release of Debian? Or will there be any soon? I am one of the few people who will soon get a Blu-Ray burner. I mean, a 25 GB disc should hold the entire repository, right? :-) |
| 15:02.54 | petemc | i think not |
| 15:03.09 | petemc | (hold the whole repo, i mean) |
| 15:03.39 | themill | !dstats |
| 15:03.45 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 4411 packages, 1040 maintainers, 15773 MB installed size, 6384 MB compressed size. |
| 15:03.45 | Daaan | How large is the thing (the repo)? |
| 15:04.18 | liable | 4411 packages? |
| 15:04.22 | petemc | http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 15:04.25 | themill | dpkg: you're stupid |
| 15:04.25 | dpkg | themill: are you using Windows? |
| 15:04.31 | themill | :( |
| 15:04.46 | themill | <dpkg> Debian Distro Stats on sid... 24118 packages, 1974 maintainers, 64275 MB installed size, 22574 MB compressed size. |
| 15:04.55 | Daaan | "a released architecture (from oldstable, stable, testing and unstable) |
| 15:04.56 | Daaan | Ranging roughly from 18 GB to 25 GB." |
| 15:05.08 | Daaan | Should fit on a Blu-Ray disc. Just about. |
| 15:05.38 | themill | Daaan: there's no real point though. Just download the actual packages you need when you need them is usually a better approach. |
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| 15:06.52 | Nosferax | pwnt |
| 15:07.09 | Daaan | My internet connection is very slow. I figured I spend a day or eight downloading the whole thing and burning it to a Blu-Ray disc instead. |
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| 15:07.28 | dto | hello. is there a way to get my system to scan the currently connected monitors and fill in the Monitors sections of the xorg config file in for me? |
| 15:07.29 | Daaan | Though I see your point, themill. |
| 15:07.32 | Nosferax | a dvd should do the trick |
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| 15:08.25 | cahoot | dto: xradnr -q doesn't list them already? |
| 15:08.30 | cahoot | xrandr |
| 15:08.33 | Rio____ | someone available who already use debian tftp install? |
| 15:08.49 | stew | dto: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:08.57 | dto | lenny |
| 15:09.00 | petemc | Rio____: ive done a few in the past, there are plenty of good guides |
| 15:09.11 | dto | cahoot: xrandr does list them, but i can't set up dual-head because it says the framebuffer can't be resized. |
| 15:09.16 | dto | the screens are different sizes. |
| 15:09.20 | Rio____ | im runing vista and trying to install debian on a sammal box without cd |
| 15:09.37 | Rio____ | i downloaded the netboot.tar |
| 15:09.47 | Rio____ | the docu says i need nothing more |
| 15:09.51 | dto | one is a samsung widescreen monitor, the other a toshiba hdtv with hdmi and vga inputs |
| 15:09.52 | Rio____ | but actualy it doesnt work |
| 15:10.03 | OpenTokix | Rio____: why not the netinst.iso ? |
| 15:10.10 | OpenTokix | ok, without cd |
| 15:10.14 | Rio____ | yes |
| 15:10.23 | Rio____ | free bsd boots without probs |
| 15:10.31 | Rio____ | so i guess it must bes smth with the files |
| 15:10.53 | Rio____ | it tells me cant boot kernel image |
| 15:11.17 | stew | dto: add a "Virtual $width $height" entry in a Display subsection inside the Screen section of your xorg.conf which is large enough to encompass both monitors |
| 15:11.20 | Rio____ | at my box i have a "boot:" prompt |
| 15:11.52 | wols | Rio____: how doy ou boot? |
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| 15:12.23 | wols | Rio____: enter "help" |
| 15:12.27 | dto | so, SubSection "Display" |
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| 15:12.36 | wols | Rio____: it looks like you have no menu.lst if you have installed grub |
| 15:12.38 | dto | Virtual ... .... |
| 15:12.42 | dto | then EndSubSection? |
| 15:12.45 | Rio____ | "cant find kernel image help" |
| 15:12.46 | Rio____ | ;) |
| 15:12.48 | wols | and you do need a floppy with a kernel. only a floppy image but still |
| 15:12.51 | stew | dto: yes, add that to Section "Screen" |
| 15:12.53 | wols | Rio____: I asked you to do something |
| 15:13.02 | Rio____ | to type help? |
| 15:13.07 | Rio____ | that was the text i got |
| 15:13.37 | wols | Rio____: when it was a tar, chances are you should have unpacked it |
| 15:13.47 | Rio____ | yes i did |
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| 15:14.22 | Rio____ | it contained init.rd and all that stuff |
| 15:14.30 | Rio____ | initrd.gz |
| 15:14.53 | Rio____ | my tftp server is configured too boot the pxelinux.0 file |
| 15:14.56 | wols | did you tell grub where to look for the kernel and initrd? |
| 15:15.00 | wols | ah, tftpd |
| 15:15.06 | Rio____ | yes |
| 15:15.13 | Rio____ | =) |
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| 15:16.11 | Rio____ | the docu tells eme "unpack netboot tar thats all u need" |
| 15:16.19 | Rio____ | i did that but it seems like theres still something missing |
| 15:16.33 | petemc | theres a lot more to it than that |
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| 15:16.48 | Rio____ | then why isnt the docu telling me that? |
| 15:17.06 | petemc | Rio____: which 'docu' is this? |
| 15:17.13 | Rio____ | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.de#tftp-images |
| 15:17.23 | smhar | vmware is not installable on lenny and virtualbox can not print to usb printers in lenny, what to do? all I want is to have #@&^* windows as an unwelcomed guest system to run a single application... very frustrating. |
| 15:17.25 | Rio____ | the german debian docu |
| 15:17.33 | LemensTS | Hello. I got a folder on debian, that i want a Windows XP computer to be able to read/write to. THe windows XP user is vod, its workgroup is called WORKGROUP. I did chown vod:WORKGROUP foldername but still cant access it |
| 15:17.52 | petemc | Rio____: you've done the stuff mentioned above that? |
| 15:17.59 | Rio____ | i have a dhp and all that |
| 15:18.01 | sladi | smhar: usb is only nonfree. you could print to pdf, no? |
| 15:18.09 | dto | stew: ok, should i restart the X server and then try xrandr ? |
| 15:18.24 | Rio____ | its "booting" or what ever the pxelinux.0 |
| 15:18.31 | Rio____ | but after that its stops |
| 15:18.44 | Rio____ | it seems like i cant boot the kernel image |
| 15:18.50 | stew | dto: yeah, i was having the problem you were. I just added that to the default xorg.conf, then added "xrandr --output VGA --left-of TMDS-1" to my .xinitrc in order to use dual-heads |
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| 15:19.04 | Rio____ | the kernel image should be the "linux" file i guess |
| 15:19.05 | dto | sweet. |
| 15:19.08 | dto | stew, thanks! |
| 15:19.10 | dto | i'll be back |
| 15:19.11 | Rio____ | but im not sure |
| 15:19.12 | dto | with screenshots |
| 15:19.14 | screamingbytes | Does debian follow the FHS strictly, or just attempt to follow it closely? |
| 15:20.04 | Rio____ | in bsd i need an bsd.img file do i neet it here too ? |
| 15:20.12 | Rio____ | for tftp |
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| 15:21.18 | screamingbytes | Rio____ the kernel file that is used during boot (depending on version) is vmlinuz??? |
| 15:21.23 | stew | screamingbytes: strictly, if you find a package not following it, consider filing a severity serious bug |
| 15:21.43 | Rio____ | the pxelinux.cfg is calling the "linux" file (i guess the image file) but that cant be startet |
| 15:21.51 | Rio____ | "cant boot kernel image" its says |
| 15:22.05 | Rio____ | i have no clue what it is its just called linux |
| 15:22.08 | screamingbytes | stew: tyvm |
| 15:22.16 | smhar | sladi: so is vmware. so is windows and autocad .I need to print autocad drawings daily. you mean print to pdf and print pdf in printer in lenny? if it works, I can live with that. |
| 15:22.43 | sladi | yes, there are virtual printer drivers for xp which print to pdf. |
| 15:22.48 | Rio____ | netboot/netboot.tar.gz -- tarball of PXE boot directory |
| 15:23.00 | Rio____ | thats what i downloaded from the official mirros |
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| 15:23.27 | Rio____ | wols: anymore ideas? |
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| 15:25.09 | smhar | sladi: but how to install a pdf printer in windows?! |
| 15:25.42 | sladi | smhar: you may output images from autocad, too I guess? Google PDF Printer XP :) |
| 15:25.49 | o[-_-]o | sup? |
| 15:26.13 | Rio____ | is there a chance that the debian mirrored tftp kernel image file is corrupt? |
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| 15:26.42 | petemc | Rio____: i would say the chance of you doing something wrong is greater |
| 15:26.46 | karme | any hints regarding ruby/rails and the gem mess? i want to use the debian packages i just installed (for example libxml-ruby) and don't want to do "gem install libxml-ruby" - but somehow that rails app does not find the debian versions (yes i don't have a clue about that stuff) - why does every language today ship its own package manager ... (did i mention gem taking 700mb of memory?) |
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| 15:27.19 | Rio____ | petemc : other linuxes are booting great =) |
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| 15:27.29 | Rio____ | +bsd |
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| 15:27.34 | Rio____ | just not debian |
| 15:28.05 | Rio____ | i downloaded the kernel image file from the miorrsors and the tftp tells me that the kernel image could not beloaded, even if i give him the path |
| 15:28.34 | petemc | there should be a log of the file its asking for |
| 15:28.57 | Rio____ | im using a windows as server |
| 15:29.06 | petemc | oh |
| 15:29.21 | Rio____ | :) |
| 15:30.03 | muddd | we're sorry |
| 15:30.06 | muddd | ;) |
| 15:30.11 | Rio____ | well the tftp server just says it cant open the file |
| 15:30.26 | petemc | useful |
| 15:30.41 | screamingbytes | Rio____: what box are you trying to install it onto? |
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| 15:30.43 | Rio____ | and at the client side it tells me that it cannt load the kernel image |
| 15:30.55 | Rio____ | but aktualy the kernel image uis in that directory the tftp is using |
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| 15:31.06 | Rio____ | an amd 780g chipset |
| 15:31.22 | Rio____ | +amd x2 cpu :> |
| 15:31.24 | Rio____ | and enugh ram |
| 15:32.01 | Rio____ | nothing special i guess |
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| 15:32.30 | screamingbytes | Rio____ is it like a dual core or 3x cpu |
| 15:32.32 | joeyadams | What version of X11 should an updated Debian Etch have? Mine is version 7.1.1 according to head /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:32.34 | screamingbytes | bah 2x cpu |
| 15:32.35 | Rio____ | dual core |
| 15:32.43 | Rio____ | lol |
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| 15:32.50 | Rio____ | its and eesff :P |
| 15:32.58 | Rio____ | it onely takes 30 w or something |
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| 15:33.14 | screamingbytes | joeyadams: same here |
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| 15:33.22 | joeyadams | After I installed (and specified mirrors.kernel.org), typing sudo apt-get upgrade only lists a small number of kernel-related upgrades. Am I already up-to-date? |
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| 15:33.53 | screamingbytes | joeyadams: did you run - sudo apt-get update first? |
| 15:33.54 | stew | joeyadams: do you have a security.debian.org source in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 15:33.57 | joeyadams | Yes |
| 15:34.01 | Rio____ | an x3 wudnt be cool enugh in that miniITX xase |
| 15:34.10 | screamingbytes | Rio____ lol i know |
| 15:34.13 | Rio____ | :P |
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| 15:34.34 | Rio____ | hmm seems like nobody hase a solution for my problem :( |
| 15:34.45 | muddd | theres sooo many things to check for :/ |
| 15:35.04 | Rio____ | it must be something with the files |
| 15:35.10 | Rio____ | the dhp start |
| 15:35.10 | dto | ok i added Virtual 3040 1050 |
| 15:35.10 | dto | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.13 | petemc | thats a false dichotomy |
| 15:35.14 | Rio____ | the client gets ip |
| 15:35.23 | Rio____ | and all that stuff |
| 15:35.25 | joeyadams | Also, is "OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9etch2, OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006" a good version that doesn't have the security as referenced by http://www.xkcd.com/424/? |
| 15:35.35 | dto | to my xorg-conf display subsection. and then: |
| 15:35.35 | dto | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.36 | dto | xrandr --output DVI-I_1/digital --right-of DVI-I_2/analog |
| 15:35.43 | stew | joeyadams: /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
| 15:35.44 | Rio____ | it just stops when it shut load the file "linux" (without ending) the kernel image |
| 15:35.58 | dto | left screen looks fine, right screen looks horrid with scrambled pixels. |
| 15:36.02 | muddd | einstein figured the relativity thing in his head by just thinking it through logically and in steps |
| 15:36.10 | screamingbytes | Rio____ have you turned off the check's? |
| 15:36.17 | Rio____ | what checks? |
| 15:36.23 | muddd | or so i hear |
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| 15:36.39 | joeyadams | Okay, thanks |
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| 15:36.50 | screamingbytes | Rio____ when the kernel boots it looks for a bunch of junk, a scan, you can turn that off at the Boot: prompt |
| 15:37.34 | petemc | it doesnt have a kernel to boot |
| 15:37.46 | Rio____ | uu mean pxelinux.cfg/*blabla* ? |
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| 15:38.09 | newsense | how do you mount an iso in linux? i remember doing it years ago and thought i mounted it to the loopback but i forget the syntax |
| 15:38.20 | Rio____ | "unable to load configuration file" |
| 15:38.32 | Rio____ | it ses no too |
| 15:38.37 | Rio____ | its getting worse and worse :P |
| 15:38.58 | sladi | Rio____: is there a file in pxelinux.cfg/? |
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| 15:39.04 | Rio____ | yes |
| 15:39.06 | Rio____ | default |
| 15:39.20 | muddd | newsense, mount -o loop file.iso mnt/ |
| 15:39.30 | Rio____ | and this file loads "linux" as default |
| 15:39.33 | Rio____ | linux is there too |
| 15:39.35 | newsense | muddd, thats it thanks a loy :-) |
| 15:39.39 | newsense | s/loy/lot |
| 15:39.41 | muddd | might have to specify -t |
| 15:39.49 | newsense | yeah |
| 15:39.51 | Rio____ | and linux cant be laoded |
| 15:39.53 | Rio____ | loaded |
| 15:39.57 | Rio____ | i dont know why |
| 15:40.11 | Rio____ | i allready downloaded it seperately and replaced the old, bnut no change |
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| 15:40.19 | Rio____ | but |
| 15:43.11 | chemokid | hi, i'm reading up on installing xen on etch. just wondering if anyone here is currently using it to host apache and mysql servers. |
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| 15:43.21 | screamingbytes | Rio____ what was your mb again? |
| 15:43.36 | petemc | chemokid: yes, lots of people |
| 15:44.36 | Rio____ | a jetway |
| 15:44.46 | chemokid | i've read the debian xen wiki page, and several mailing list posts. the wiki instructs to use the debian packages where others say they have had better luck with ver 3.2 directly from xensource. |
| 15:44.50 | Rio____ | JNC62k-lf |
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| 15:45.08 | petemc | chemokid: whats in etch would be considered rather dated, it does work tho |
| 15:45.17 | Rio____ | it hase a brand new amd780 chipset |
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| 15:45.36 | Rio____ | or wella tleast a few months ago it was brand new^^ |
| 15:45.47 | screamingbytes | Rio____ kk im checking amg64 hardware compat, and kernel options 1 sec |
| 15:45.53 | chemokid | petemc: do you use the etch packages or compile the latest version yourself? |
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| 15:46.07 | petemc | chemokid: i have some boxes using the etch packages |
| 15:46.18 | petemc | screamingbytes: what do you expect to achieve? |
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| 15:46.37 | phlux | http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/phlux-debian.png <--my Gnome :D |
| 15:47.09 | screamingbytes | petemc: ?? to help? |
| 15:47.15 | screamingbytes | petemc: i don't understand |
| 15:47.37 | petemc | screamingbytes: his problem is the debian client is asking for a file which his windows tftp server isnt providing |
| 15:47.54 | Rio____ | screamingbytes : thats the errors i get http://k-tremmel.de/errors.png |
| 15:48.25 | Rio____ | thx screamingbytes |
| 15:48.27 | chemokid | petemc: have you come across any stability or performance issues? |
| 15:48.38 | petemc | chemokid: not lately |
| 15:48.56 | screamingbytes | petemc: i missed that post, i was just trying to help |
| 15:49.03 | Rio____ | petemc but the file shud be provided, its in the folder |
| 15:49.24 | petemc | Rio____: well, its not, and thats the problem you need to address |
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| 15:49.43 | Rio____ | it is :) |
| 15:49.58 | aronofsky | Hi, do you guys know if there is video cards with more than 2 VGA outputs ? |
| 15:50.22 | stew | aronofsky: yes, there are 4 port cards |
| 15:50.43 | aronofsky | stew: have you some reference or constructor, i cant find it on google |
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| 15:51.16 | Rio____ | http://k-tremmel.de/kernelimage.png |
| 15:51.39 | Rio____ | check that screenshot |
| 15:51.51 | smhar | http://packages.debian.org/sid/vmware-package says no such package!! |
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| 15:52.28 | stew | aronofsky: i don't. but i can tell you that ati/matrox/nvidia all provide 4 port cards |
| 15:52.34 | Rio____ | aronofsky : maybe matrox dual head helps |
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| 15:55.22 | Rio____ | so what kind fo file do i need then petemc ? |
| 15:55.56 | vmx | hi. i'd like to make a java (openjdk-6) switch permanent (awt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on) where could i put it? i tried /etc/.../swing.properties, but it doesn't work. |
| 15:55.57 | stew | aronofsky: it would almost definately be cheaper to buy two dual head cards, however |
| 15:55.58 | petemc | Rio____: a file with the name of the ip address in hex |
| 15:56.19 | petemc | Rio____: someone who has lots of other machines using pxe would know this |
| 15:56.32 | Rio____ | ? the client gets the ip via chp |
| 15:56.37 | Rio____ | dhcp |
| 15:57.04 | Rio____ | so what fore an it petemc ? |
| 15:57.07 | Rio____ | ip |
| 15:57.09 | petemc | Rio____: one linux at least, the tftp server will show the exact name of the file being requested, you can then ensure this file exists |
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| 15:57.32 | Rio____ | i did |
| 15:57.38 | Rio____ | it requests "linux" |
| 15:57.40 | solemnwarning | What tool do I need to use to create a tap device? |
| 15:57.50 | Rio____ | and in the screenshot i#d post the file exists |
| 15:58.06 | petemc | Rio____: it uses dhcp but you configure your dhcpd to give it a specific address |
| 15:58.06 | stew | aronofsky: http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/products/graphics_cards/m_series/ |
| 15:58.19 | petemc | Rio____: it would appear you know nothing of what you're trying to do |
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| 15:58.38 | Rio____ | the cliehnt says "i received 192.168.178.30" |
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| 15:58.44 | Rio____ | client |
| 15:58.59 | Rio____ | actualy i have a ip range of 30 :> |
| 15:59.06 | Rio____ | and the client gets 1 |
| 15:59.12 | jelly | solemnwarning: tunctl, package uml-utilities |
| 15:59.17 | solemnwarning | Thanks |
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| 15:59.57 | Rio____ | and the client recognizes the dhcp |
| 16:00.08 | Rio____ | so where is the problem with my dhcp in your oppinion? |
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| 16:00.12 | Rio____ | petemc |
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| 16:00.35 | petemc | Rio____: its 5pm here, my working day is done - you need to do a bit more reading and a lot less complaining |
| 16:00.45 | Rio____ | lol lamwer |
| 16:00.46 | Rio____ | lamer |
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| 16:01.59 | Rio____ | u might have recognized that i have a windows host running tftp and dhcp in one application and i dont have config files for each if u mean that ;) |
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| 16:02.51 | Rio____ | just gimme me a hint would be to much eh ? allmighty petemc |
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| 16:04.34 | streuner | !+tell Rio____ -about enter |
| 16:04.34 | dpkg | told Rio____ about enter. |
| 16:04.51 | chemokid | petemc: one last question, i promise :P do you have experience with the xen 3.2 package from etch-backports? |
| 16:05.16 | Rio____ | ah well no help tto expect here, eh |
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| 16:05.17 | Rio____ | cya |
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| 16:08.25 | polter | can anyone paste a sources.list for Lenny.. untouched or near untouched? mine is screwed up |
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| 16:08.56 | yang | wonders how is it possible to install etch without aptitude ? |
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| 16:09.26 | stew | polter: "/msg dpkg sources.list" but use "lenny" where it says "etch" |
| 16:09.39 | polter | stew thanks |
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| 16:12.39 | up365 | orion |
| 16:12.42 | up365 | 6"pumps |
| 16:13.11 | up365 | sorry wrong channel |
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| 16:13.55 | screamingbytes | petmec: do you run a bunch of pxe box's? |
| 16:14.01 | screamingbytes | petmec: just curious |
| 16:14.33 | screamingbytes | petmec: I deal mainly with tftpd for cisco, never used pxe |
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| 16:21.48 | muddd | uh |
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| 16:27.01 | DawnLight | yang: you don't like aptitude? |
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| 16:28.57 | yang | DawnLight: i received a vserver which didn't have aptitude in etch |
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| 16:29.10 | DawnLight | yang: who did that? |
| 16:29.18 | yang | heh the isp |
| 16:30.00 | DawnLight | sounds strange to me |
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| 16:30.51 | DawnLight | i'd ask him how he installed the system |
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| 16:36.21 | pickcoder | yang: no apt-get either? |
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| 16:37.31 | themill | it's perfectly feasible to remove aptitude from an installation. Not usually a sensible thing to do, but possible. (It's "important" not "essential") |
| 16:37.56 | curz0r | hey guys, I'm in a bind; I've google and have been trying a bunch of stuff to get fglrx working on my dell D600 laptop. |
| 16:38.33 | curz0r | I'm trying to install version 1:8-4-1 of the driver.. |
| 16:38.43 | curz0r | I'm running debian-testing. |
| 16:38.56 | curz0r | and it only wants to install (only sees available) 1:8-6-2 |
| 16:39.16 | curz0r | I've tried apt-get -t stable install fglrx-source=1:8-4-1 |
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| 16:39.21 | themill | Why not install the newer version? |
| 16:39.25 | curz0r | and it tells me it can't find the version. |
| 16:39.37 | curz0r | themill: there seem to be bugs that prevent it from loading. |
| 16:39.44 | curz0r | (the module) |
| 16:39.59 | curz0r | it'll compile fine, but gets an unrecognized symbol. |
| 16:40.03 | curz0r | and fails. |
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| 16:40.33 | curz0r | I believe that 1:8-4-1 worked and the bug was introduced in 1:8-5-1 |
| 16:40.47 | themill | curz0r: what kernel? how are you compiling it? is there a bts entry for this? |
| 16:40.49 | curz0r | doesn't make sense to me, but that's at least what I've gathered from google. |
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| 16:41.25 | curz0r | themill: I believe there is an entry. I ran across it but I don't have it open in my browser anymore. I can find it if you like. Also, I'm running 2.6.25 |
| 16:41.36 | curz0r | I'm compiling it using m-a |
| 16:41.54 | curz0r | (m-a update, m-a prepare, m-a a-i fglrx) |
| 16:42.32 | curz0r | I've downloaded the ATI driver directly from ATI, but I don't know the correct installation path, so ..that's really no help either. |
| 16:42.42 | curz0r | as you can tell i'm missing some critical puzzle pieces here :/ |
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| 16:43.22 | dbmoodb | !fglrx |
| 16:43.22 | dpkg | well, fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary, #ati @ irc.freenode.net. See also <radeon>. |
| 16:43.49 | themill | curz0r: can you pastebin the actual error from the version of fglrx in lenny? |
| 16:44.02 | curz0r | when I try to modprobe it? |
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| 16:44.55 | themill | curz0r: did you run "depmod -a" after running m-a a-i? |
| 16:45.00 | curz0r | no :p |
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| 16:45.21 | curz0r | alright. I'll try that. |
| 16:45.33 | dbmoodb | mmm the http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ should get an rss feed |
| 16:46.18 | themill | that's not really the sort of thing that rss was designed for though. Unless you want "new" and "fixed" feeds, I guess. |
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| 16:46.56 | znh | Hello |
| 16:47.25 | znh | I used to plug an extra monitor to my laptop and have dual screen. I such possible? If so, what kind of graphical tool can I use |
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| 16:47.34 | tesik11 | hi |
| 16:48.26 | curz0r | themill: ran depmod -a |
| 16:48.34 | curz0r | now shutting down gdm and trying again. |
| 16:48.44 | tesik11 | http://wklej.org/id/f672a8e04e |
| 16:48.46 | tesik11 | jelp |
| 16:48.49 | tesik11 | help |
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| 16:49.25 | stew | tesik11: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 16:49.27 | curz0r | themill: didn't work. same problem. |
| 16:49.36 | curz0r | I'll pastebin the results. |
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| 16:51.16 | znh | ... someone |
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| 16:51.55 | dbmoodb | znh: xorg ? ..... you need to be more specific .. there is randr.... |
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| 16:52.12 | dbmoodb | xrandr* |
| 16:52.33 | Daaan | Hi. I have the problem with the iwlwifi-driver that is described here -- http://i1.no/065w/ -- however, my system does not recognize the "up" command. What pacakge does that command require? |
| 16:52.39 | znh | dbmoodb, yes, I am using Xorg |
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| 16:53.22 | znh | does that xrandr do what I want? |
| 16:53.34 | dbmoodb | well what card do you have ? |
| 16:53.51 | znh | Trident CyberBlade |
| 16:53.58 | stew | znh: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:53.59 | znh | old card, but CAN do the job |
| 16:54.21 | stew | Daaan: iproute |
| 16:54.24 | znh | stew, stable |
| 16:54.39 | themill | dbmoodb: do you have the iproute package installed? |
| 16:54.42 | curz0r | themill: http://pastebin.com/d461580ea |
| 16:54.44 | stew | znh: then no, you don't want xrandr, you'll use xinerama, look for the xinerama howto |
| 16:54.45 | themill | err Daaan^^ |
| 16:54.49 | tsolox | does the debian distro listing the supported NLS langauges of the latest debian release? i couldnt find it listed in the web.. |
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| 16:55.26 | znh | okay I installed gnome-randr-applet.. but it doesn't show up at the applet list |
| 16:55.54 | themill | curz0r: do you have the radeon module loaded (lsmod | grep radeon) |
| 16:56.19 | curz0r | no, I removed it specifically. I read that it needed to be unloaded for fglrx to be loaded. |
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| 16:57.40 | themill | curz0r: and the "drm" module? |
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| 16:59.22 | curz0r | removed that too. new error. |
| 16:59.32 | themill | progress... |
| 17:00.19 | curz0r | *sigh* this is going to take a while to type into pastebin so I'll just summarize it (diff computers obviously). |
| 17:00.36 | curz0r | The init_mm symbol message shows up again. |
| 17:00.54 | curz0r | this time it throws a bunch of other stuff. |
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| 17:01.01 | curz0r | such as: |
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| 17:01.34 | curz0r | the iraq and other places such as: fglrx:KCL_enable_pat] *ERROR* Pat entry 2 is already configured |
| 17:01.42 | curz0r | then it says PAT is disabled! |
| 17:02.09 | curz0r | [fglrx:firegl_stub_getminor] *ERROR* exiting |
| 17:02.10 | tsolox | what's the best way to know what translation languages is supported by a distro...say a debian. |
| 17:02.33 | curz0r | then it throws the last two lines of the pastebin. |
| 17:02.34 | tsolox | just want to ready this languages in my app.. |
| 17:02.50 | curz0r | and then throws something new with what looks like a debug dump: |
| 17:03.17 | curz0r | BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at f8effef0 |
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| 17:03.20 | avu | tsolox, that's hard to say, do you mean what languages the installer supports? or which languages have support in at least x percent of all applications? |
| 17:03.44 | avu | tsolox, the only language with 100% coverage is english |
| 17:03.53 | curz0r | IP: [<c01a164c>] proc_reg_open+0x27/0x4a |
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| 17:04.13 | avu | tsolox, http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/ might help |
| 17:04.20 | curz0r | and then a whole bunch of modules that are linked in and what looks like register values or just plain hex. |
| 17:04.32 | curz0r | and finally a Call Trace |
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| 17:04.53 | themill | curz0r: there's an 8-7-1 that is heading towards unstable at the moment. that is supposed to solve your bug according to #485793 |
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| 17:05.46 | curz0r | themill: so you think I should install the unstable version of fglrx-source and then update it in a couple days? |
| 17:06.09 | tsolox | avu: you mean, that the languages listed during installation, is not guaranteed to be the langauge when i launched a particular app? |
| 17:06.22 | avu | tsolox, yes |
| 17:07.02 | themill | Is packages.debian.org having issues with searching packages from sid? |
| 17:07.04 | tsolox | avu: so, where do the apps keep their own translation files..is there a central location? what's the story... |
| 17:07.06 | avu | tsolox, debian usually doesn't provide translations for applications it packages, so it's a question of what languages upstream supports |
| 17:07.27 | avu | tsolox, did you have a look at that site I gave you? |
| 17:08.42 | curz0r | themill: I don't know. I'm not sure I'm telling apt-get to install a diff. version correctly. I'm not sure if I need to have additional sources with dist. versions listed specifically in my sources.list |
| 17:09.16 | curz0r | I currently have deb ... testing main contrib non-free and then also another live for the same server but with stable instead of testing. |
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| 17:09.29 | themill | curz0r: that is how you specify a different version, but that version actually has to exist. (8-4-1 was not the version in etch) |
| 17:10.06 | curz0r | so I'd have to find which distro had 1:8-4-1? |
| 17:10.16 | curz0r | list that, run an update and attempt to install it? |
| 17:10.35 | curz0r | or can I just skip listing the different distro version in sources.list? |
| 17:10.48 | themill | curz0r: that version of the driver probably won't compile for the 2.6.25 kernel anyway. |
| 17:10.53 | tsolox | avu: i just browsing it..now.... |
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| 17:11.48 | curz0r | crap |
| 17:12.02 | curz0r | themill: so really, I'm SOL and just have to wait, huh |
| 17:12.03 | tsolox | avu: so as u said, debian, has no control of supported languages among apps, is this also true for other distro as well...like ubuntu, opensuse?? |
| 17:12.14 | avu | tsolox, of course |
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| 17:13.06 | avu | tsolox, a distribution may work with upstream to make them support more languages (ubuntu for example does that at least for GNOME applications), but in general no distribution has the manpower to maintain translation for all the countless packages it provides |
| 17:13.09 | themill | curz0r: i386 or amd64? |
| 17:13.14 | avu | tsolox, they all rely on upstream |
| 17:13.25 | curz0r | i386 |
| 17:13.27 | tsolox | avu: so in a way, the list of languages shown during installation, are languages only for the installer? and not the apps? |
| 17:13.28 | curz0r | (686) |
| 17:13.36 | avu | tsolox, yes |
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| 17:13.55 | avu | tsolox, it also configures the default so that if an application supports that language, you will get it |
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| 17:14.04 | tsolox | avu: because i thought, that during installation if I choose Chinese, then i can see chinese when i launch gimp... |
| 17:14.16 | avu | tsolox, but there are still even apps that don't support languages other than english at all |
| 17:14.34 | avu | tsolox, as I said, it sets the 'desired language' |
| 17:14.40 | tsolox | avu: default, you mean the LC_ settings? and the LANG environ var> |
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| 17:14.54 | avu | tsolox, the default locale settings, yes |
| 17:15.12 | avu | tsolox, so every application that supports chinese, will be displayed in chinese |
| 17:15.33 | tsolox | avu: therefore, it's up to the app now. Ummm...where does the app finds it's translation files? |
| 17:15.43 | avu | tsolox, but there will always be applications that are english, even if you choose languages like german or french, which have much better support than chinese |
| 17:16.03 | avu | tsolox, the PO files are part of the application's package in most cases |
| 17:16.15 | avu | tsolox, you can use dpkg -L <foo> to see them |
| 17:16.17 | themill | curz0r: 8-7-2 should hit sid in about 2 1/2 hours and then hit a mirror near you soon after. You'll be able to recompile the appropriate packages for your machine then. For instructions, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:16.38 | curz0r | wow, that's awesome! Thanks themill! |
| 17:16.41 | tsolox | avu: is there a central location for these PO files in the filesystem? like in /usr/share for example... |
| 17:16.49 | curz0r | damn. bleeding edge of debian dev. ;D |
| 17:16.51 | avu | tsolox, /usr/share/locale is a safe bet |
| 17:16.59 | avu | tsolox, but don't count on the files being there |
| 17:17.14 | tsolox | avu: so its still up to the app..then |
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| 17:18.07 | curz0r | out to lunch |
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| 17:27.42 | torr | which is better gnome or kde? |
| 17:28.09 | martinwm | torr: please dont ask such questions. they are pointless |
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| 17:28.43 | Joint | what's that program called to search for radios i forgot the name of it |
| 17:28.53 | torr | martinwm, I guess you use martinwm |
| 17:29.01 | torr | ;) |
| 17:29.14 | tsolox | torr: i like gnome |
| 17:29.35 | et | torr: the only reasonable answer to that is "try both out and see which one suits you better" |
| 17:29.51 | tsolox | torr: kde is based on qt??? is qt free? |
| 17:30.19 | torr | tsolox, :( ? |
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| 17:30.26 | maligor | tsolox, sure it is |
| 17:30.34 | themill | tsolox: of course |
| 17:30.47 | tsolox | i thought, troll owns the license of qt |
| 17:30.57 | maligor | actually nokia owns it now |
| 17:31.13 | tsolox | whats the licensing of qt? |
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| 17:31.18 | tsolox | is it GPL? |
| 17:31.19 | hank | hi |
| 17:31.20 | themill | GPL |
| 17:31.25 | maligor | Free doesn't mean Public Domain |
| 17:31.29 | hank | can anyone tell me how to sync wyrd with my palm? |
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| 17:31.43 | tsolox | do i need to pay money if I use qt? |
| 17:31.54 | tsolox | or sign some forms... |
| 17:31.58 | themill | offers google 101 for tsolox |
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| 17:32.41 | jelly | tsolox: not for the version in debian. |
| 17:32.53 | tsolox | jelly: ? |
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| 17:33.28 | tsolox | ahh...qt is not public domain... |
| 17:33.33 | jelly | tsolox: you don't need to pay anything or sign anything if you use qt that's in debian and you comply with the license. |
| 17:34.01 | tsolox | jelly: how about in other qt not in debian? |
| 17:34.14 | tsolox | and why such a fork.. |
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| 17:35.25 | jelly | tsolox: that would be out of the scope of this channel, and read their licensing. AFAIR you can pay to use it to develop commercial apps on windows |
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| 17:38.14 | morenita | hi, when kde starts it hangs at device recognition if the ethernet cable is plugged in |
| 17:38.23 | morenita | any ideas about this? |
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| 17:47.21 | seller | any one who need free iphones 3gb 16gb 32gb |
| 17:47.26 | seller | sellerpm me |
| 17:47.26 | seller | sellerpls |
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| 17:49.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: speedyg complains about: seller spammer |
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| 17:49.34 | SpeedyG | ah, just too late |
| 17:49.49 | nalioth | AndrewB: you're too late |
| 17:49.55 | AndrewB | is saw |
| 17:50.01 | kyrsquir | hey guys |
| 17:50.05 | kyrsquir | you are here |
| 17:50.17 | kyrsquir | please answer to my question |
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| 17:51.12 | kyrsquir | where can I find application icons in both cases: if installed by apt and if compiled from source? |
| 17:51.53 | stew | kyrsquir: debian would install them in /usr/share/icons |
| 17:51.58 | abrotman | with source .. you'd ask the people you got the source from |
| 17:52.05 | abrotman | also .. /usr/share/pixmaps/ IIRC |
| 17:52.10 | amphi | kyrsquir: under /usr/share/icons I would think, and/or under /usr/local/share/icons in the latter case |
| 17:53.18 | kyrsquir | thanks guys |
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| 18:02.39 | fak3r | smhar, I use virtual-box in its place |
| 18:03.22 | smhar | fak3r: what about printing to usb printer? |
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| 18:04.25 | fak3r | smhar, I've never done that from a vm - is it an issue? |
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| 18:05.41 | smhar | I have an HP OfficeJet that connects to usb, I want to be able to print to it from guest system |
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| 18:07.16 | bernard | hello |
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| 18:08.28 | bernard | is there something special to do to enable language in iceweasel? I installed the iceweasel-l10n-... package, change the locale config general.useragent.locale in about:config, restarted firefox but nothing changed |
| 18:08.35 | bernard | btw I'm using debian sid |
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| 18:19.19 | x86 | is there a fix to this bug yet: 494168 ? |
| 18:19.19 | x86 | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.rc/msg/1736679b989238f5 |
| 18:19.19 | stew | x86: check http://bugs.debian.org/494168 |
| 18:19.19 | x86 | I just did apt-get update && apt-get install cups, and now i got this :( |
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| 18:20.57 | x86 | stew: thanks |
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| 18:21.44 | x86 | stew: upgrading libcups2 fixed it... odd how the new version of cups wouldn't require the new version of libcups2, imho |
| 18:21.55 | SpeedyG | hm, while connected (wired) to a wireless router, doing a pingsweep should also show the wireless connected devices right? |
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| 18:23.27 | Kumool | how to change the resolution... xorg seems to hav erased my old one |
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| 18:25.09 | stew | Kumool: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 18:25.26 | Kumool | etch stew |
| 18:26.06 | Kumool | it was working fine but i messed with it a bit and now it seems to hav erased the resolution option |
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| 18:26.59 | LaicepS | Hello. I would like to ssh my windows box from my debian etch box in my local network. My network consists in a router and the 2 PCs. I'm told "ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.2 port 22: No route to host". There is no iptables rules on my linux box. And the windows firewall seem disabled.Should i do port redirection on my router ? |
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| 18:28.22 | daemonmidi | LaicepS your linux box can't find your windows box ... check your network setup on linux |
| 18:28.38 | beardy | LaicepS: Not if this "router" is a switch. Are they on the same network? |
| 18:28.53 | LaicepS | beardy, i have a router and a switch |
| 18:29.00 | widrone | Is there any reason for partman not wanting to see my /dev/sda2 at all? Its a swap partition. Its supposed to show up during install yes? |
| 18:29.02 | beardy | LaicepS: Is the Debian bow 192.168.0.3? |
| 18:29.23 | LaicepS | beardy, no 192.168.0.1 |
| 18:29.27 | beardy | s/bow/box |
| 18:29.36 | beardy | LaicepS: What is the router then? |
| 18:29.40 | LaicepS | 254 |
| 18:30.01 | beardy | LaicepS: Have you set that yourself? |
| 18:30.17 | LaicepS | beardy, nop, it is the internet fournissor default |
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| 18:31.07 | beardy | LaicepS: Ugly. The first address is traditionally always used for the gateway. But anyway, can you ping the windows machine? |
| 18:31.18 | LaicepS | beardy, no |
| 18:31.29 | LaicepS | -fournissor+provider |
| 18:31.41 | LaicepS | (please excuse my poor englisg) |
| 18:31.59 | stew | Kumool: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 18:32.09 | beardy | LaicepS: Ok.. but the provider doesn't set the addresses for your local network, it only sets your public IP address. |
| 18:32.45 | LaicepS | beardy, I configured myself the ip provided to each computer |
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| 18:33.21 | beardy | LaicepS: Are the computers both conencted directly to this router? And, is it switching between the different ports on it? |
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| 18:34.09 | LaicepS | The 2 computers are connected directly to the router. |
| 18:34.22 | beardy | LaicepS: Ok.. I suggest you let the router be 192.168.0.1 and I'm sure it has DHCP functionality? Atleast let it be the first.. |
| 18:34.34 | beardy | LaicepS: Can you reach the Internet from both the machines? |
| 18:34.37 | LaicepS | yes |
| 18:35.47 | mns | What installer should I use for 64bit Debian on an Intel system ? |
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| 18:36.23 | beardy | LaicepS: Maybe it doesn't act as a switch between its ports. If you have a switch, connect the switch to one port in the router, and the two Pcs to the switch. |
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| 18:38.11 | beardy | !sing sussudio |
| 18:38.11 | dpkg | sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
| 18:38.44 | LaicepS | beardy, the configuration is exactly what you just said |
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| 18:39.15 | LaicepS | the two computers are connected to a switch, which is connected to the router |
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| 18:39.19 | beardy | I see. |
| 18:39.43 | beardy | LaicepS: But you can't ping the Debian box from the windows box either then? |
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| 18:40.49 | LaicepS | woops, when i check the router configuration, it seems that "Ip DMZ" and "IP of the Freeplayer" are the same : 192.168.0.1 which is my ip. |
| 18:41.03 | LaicepS | is it wrong ? |
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| 18:42.51 | beardy | LaicepS: Not sure what this Freeplayer mean really. But, those settings should only affect things coming form the Internet, to your LAN. |
| 18:43.32 | nekostar | !software raid |
| 18:43.32 | dpkg | somebody said software raid was commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html also see http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html or see section 6.3.2.2 of the <ig> |
| 18:44.39 | LaicepS | beardy, i can't ping my linux box from my windows box |
| 18:44.56 | beardy | LaicepS: Disable those settings and try. |
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| 18:50.49 | bartwe | hi, my ld-linux-x86-64.so has no symbols, which is fine, but how can i make a custom one that i can debug using gcc ? |
| 18:50.54 | bartwe | ehmz gdb |
| 18:51.08 | torr | claws say somehting about CRAM-MD5 needing libetpan compiled with SASL support |
| 18:51.30 | torr | is it abalailble on etch? |
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| 18:55.40 | mick_laptop | hi everyone |
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| 18:55.59 | ComradeHaz | 'lo :) |
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| 18:57.01 | zorgan | is anyway of submiting a bug report without having our email address all exposed in debian/bugs? |
| 18:57.06 | werwolf | hi, could you help me? |
| 18:57.08 | mick_laptop | when creating a tar'ed bzip2 -- how can i do it with a oneliner? the manpage says to use -j but i think that is only for untar'ing. do i need to run 2 lines: tar -cvf foo.tar foo/; bzip2 -z3 foo.tar -- or can i just do it w/ tar? |
| 18:57.18 | werwolf | I wanted to try Debian on live CD |
| 18:57.26 | werwolf | I got black screen by starting |
| 18:58.03 | zorgan | mick_laptop: tar cjvf file.tar.bz2 list of files |
| 18:58.11 | werwolf | everything looked OK |
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| 18:58.37 | zorgan | mick_laptop: what you wanted to do is: tar cv list of files | bzip2 > file.tar.bz2 |
| 18:58.38 | mick_laptop | zorgan: ah so it can do it -- maybe my placement was wrong |
| 18:58.48 | zorgan | (anyone correct me if im wrong) |
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| 18:59.10 | zorgan | mick_laptop: don't forget the "j" |
| 18:59.17 | mick_laptop | zorgan: what i put before works |
| 18:59.37 | mick_laptop | so, what you said (first one) is what i want |
| 18:59.39 | zorgan | zorgan: use pipes, it's prettier =P |
| 18:59.41 | mick_laptop | thanks :) |
| 19:01.08 | mick_laptop | zorgan: i just get a listing and it says: tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
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| 19:02.18 | zorgan | mick_laptop: paste the command (if it's an one liner) |
| 19:02.28 | zorrolero | werwolf: at the boot-prompt try "live noacpi noapm" |
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| 19:03.11 | screamingbytes | I got this weird dir problem, it's in my home dir, I can't cd to it as me or root |
| 19:03.37 | mick_laptop | ok, try number 2 worked -- just did `!!` and it worked this time |
| 19:03.38 | mick_laptop | odd |
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| 19:04.12 | screamingbytes | ls -ld ./dir/ provides drw-r--r-- 2 me me 4096 .... ./dir/ |
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| 19:04.52 | theocrite | Hm. I've submited a bug to pkg-games-devel 2 weeks ago and there are no answers and it hasn't been classified. Is it normal ? Should i wait some more ? |
| 19:05.10 | visof | i installed apache2 , and it doesn't work, i tested this in the browser and by telnet localhost 80 |
| 19:05.16 | visof | what should i do ? |
| 19:05.33 | screamingbytes | if i ls -al ./dir/ I get ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? ./dir/file1 |
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| 19:05.39 | zorgan | mick_laptop: if some files were changed during the creation that may happen |
| 19:05.44 | widrone | visof: Just starting out here, you started the httpd after install? |
| 19:05.45 | zorgan | mick_laptop: it's not a real error |
| 19:06.04 | visof | widrone what do you mean ? |
| 19:06.05 | linuxjones513 | is it weird that when i try ./configure it get an error that says c compiler (gcc) can not make executiables? |
| 19:06.15 | Eulex | !b-e linuxjones513 |
| 19:06.15 | dpkg | linuxjones513: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 19:06.23 | zorrolero | visof: apache2ctl configtest |
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| 19:07.43 | widrone | visof: I mean if the server aint running on port 80, maybe its not started. Could be some error that stops it (or you never started it in the first place). Do the configtest and well take it from there. |
| 19:08.05 | stew | screamingbytes: reiserfs? |
| 19:08.12 | visof | zorrolero http://rafb.net/p/bF28YS13.html |
| 19:08.13 | chemokid | where can i find a default sources.list file from a new etchnhalf install? or run whatever tool is used during installation to populate that file with the correct urls? |
| 19:08.16 | screamingbytes | stew: ext3 |
| 19:08.26 | stew | wow |
| 19:08.49 | screamingbytes | stew: hrmm lol, now im worried |
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| 19:08.53 | visof | what should i do ? |
| 19:08.54 | theocrite | Well, i'll just wait some more. I have nothing else to do... |
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| 19:09.05 | stew | screamingbytes: wait, you probably want your directory to be +x |
| 19:09.14 | zorrolero | visof: okhey, it's running, the address is http://localhost |
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| 19:09.38 | screamingbytes | stew: I can't cd to it, chmod, or chown it |
| 19:09.59 | visof | zorrolero it doesn't i sear |
| 19:10.04 | visof | swear* |
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| 19:10.11 | unop | screamingbytes, i think you need to fsck that volume. |
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| 19:10.54 | screamingbytes | stew: chown root:root ./dir/ gives me: chown: changing ownership of `./dir/' : Operation not permitted |
| 19:11.17 | visof | zorrolero httpd.conf is empty, is this ok ? |
| 19:11.19 | screamingbytes | unop: disk is good, ive already done some other checks, and all other files are fine |
| 19:11.55 | unop | screamingbytes, what other checks did you do? |
| 19:12.03 | stew | screamingbytes: only root can change ownership |
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| 19:12.11 | zorrolero | visof: yep, thats ok, check /etc/apache2/apache2.conf for ServerName |
| 19:12.20 | screamingbytes | stew: yea, I did that as root |
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| 19:12.34 | stew | screamingbytes: is the partition mounted readonly? |
| 19:12.36 | screamingbytes | stew: its currently assinged ownership to me |
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| 19:12.45 | screamingbytes | stew: no its my home dir |
| 19:12.55 | screamingbytes | stew: and i can manipulate all other files |
| 19:13.02 | mic | a mexican develop ? |
| 19:13.48 | chemokid | could someone please message the contents of their /etc/apt/sources.list file from a fresh etchnhalf installation |
| 19:14.05 | stew | screamingbytes: have you run fsck? |
| 19:14.13 | stew | chemokid: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 19:15.29 | screamingbytes | lemme post an ss, gimme a sec |
| 19:16.07 | chemokid | thx |
| 19:16.16 | werwolf | zorrolero: thank you very much |
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| 19:16.33 | werwolf | boot: live noacpi noapm right? |
| 19:18.00 | zorrolero | werwolf: yep |
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| 19:19.39 | hulatang | any good sock5 proxy program to use on debian? |
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| 19:20.53 | teratoma | hulatang: tsocks + ssh tunnel |
| 19:21.14 | pozic | How can I do basic arithmetic with fish? |
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| 19:22.57 | pozic | Never mind, I got it already. |
| 19:25.07 | stew | pozic: you don't, you use bc or python or some such. the author feels strongly that the shell shouldn't implement stuff like math when other programs do math better |
| 19:25.20 | pozic | stew: set i 0;while test $i -lt 1000; echo $i; set i (math $i + 1);end |
| 19:25.31 | jstad | Where does apache output errors if it fails to start? /var/log/apache2/ is empty... |
| 19:25.33 | pozic | stew: math calls bc, yes. |
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| 19:26.13 | stew | oh, math is a new one for me |
| 19:26.17 | stew | but yeah: http://fishshell.org/wiki/moin.cgi/Functions/calc |
| 19:26.25 | pozic | stew: calling a new process for adding and subtracting is a bit over the top. |
| 19:26.44 | pozic | stew: unless I don't understand how it's implemented. |
| 19:26.55 | stew | its a new process, yes |
| 19:27.21 | pozic | stew: also, it seems to be rather slow. Not that I care that much about it, but I wouldn't use it to count to one billion. |
| 19:27.59 | stew | bc should be fast enough for use in an interactive shell |
| 19:28.08 | pozic | stew: is it your default shell? |
| 19:28.43 | stew | pozic: i think i only have one or two boxes left where i have fish as my login shell. i used to use it everywhere |
| 19:28.50 | mostafa_sedaghat | bkashaf: Ùاس٠ساÛت Ùاگ ÚÛ Ú©Ø§Ø± کردÛØ |
| 19:29.23 | Maulkin | Quite |
| 19:29.30 | jstad | anyone? |
| 19:29.43 | pozic | stew: then what do you use most now? zsh? |
| 19:29.47 | stew | pozic: yes |
| 19:29.59 | Maulkin | .ir |
| 19:30.03 | Maulkin | Hrm. |
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| 19:30.24 | pozic | There was also some shell written in Scheme, but I forgot the name. Something with Commander in it. |
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| 19:30.42 | Maulkin | !ir |
| 19:30.42 | dpkg | somebody said ir was InfraRed |
| 19:30.45 | Maulkin | !.ir |
| 19:30.47 | Maulkin | Bah |
| 19:30.55 | s3a_ | is debian really more stable than ubuntu because upgrading etch to lenny (which is almost stable now) ruined my system |
| 19:30.55 | bkashaf | mostafa_sedaghat, write en please :) |
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| 19:32.15 | pozic | Commander S was the name. |
| 19:32.28 | s3a_ | why do all my dist-upgrade attempts break my system?? i havent had one succesful upgrade! Am I doing something wrong? (I highlight doubt that) |
| 19:32.45 | stew | s3a_: in what way is your system broken? |
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| 19:32.56 | abrotman | or use stable |
| 19:32.58 | s3a | stew: dpkg error code 1 or sumtin like that |
| 19:33.09 | stew | sumtin? |
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| 19:33.33 | abrotman | !irritate stew |
| 19:33.33 | dpkg | stew: HELP ME!!! how does I run teh mouse ????? |
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| 19:34.03 | mlLK | !help |
| 19:34.07 | JordiGH | Lolcats asking for help in #debian will be quite fun. |
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| 19:34.11 | abrotman | !tell mlLK about help |
| 19:34.56 | mlLK | abrotman, == !help ? |
| 19:35.04 | abrotman | mlLK: /msg dpkg help |
| 19:35.15 | s3a_ | stew: wait im opening laptop |
| 19:35.15 | mlLK | abrotman, is !help ? |
| 19:35.20 | JordiGH | Asking dpkg for help only tells you how to use the dpkg bot, not help with Debian. |
| 19:35.27 | abrotman | mlLK: then ask your real question |
| 19:35.30 | JordiGH | And I guess dpkg doesn't print that factoid to the channel because it's large. |
| 19:35.30 | mlLK | lol |
| 19:35.33 | abrotman | !helixsnack |
| 19:35.39 | abrotman | tried |
| 19:35.45 | helix | you have to do |
| 19:35.48 | helix | !helixsnack abrotman |
| 19:35.48 | dpkg | feeds abrotman a nice juicy animal- and cruelty-free tidbit |
| 19:35.51 | helix | yes |
| 19:35.58 | abrotman | i tried! |
| 19:36.15 | helix | well, it's the thought that counts |
| 19:36.16 | helix | as they say |
| 19:36.20 | s3a_ | stew: ger: command not found and then waiting for /dev to be populated or sumtin and i say that cuz i have to run back and forth to see the laptop since it has no battery |
| 19:36.28 | abrotman | helix: to be fair .. hasn't been used in awhile :) |
| 19:36.39 | helix | yeah, whose fault is that? |
| 19:36.41 | helix | yours right? |
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| 19:37.22 | abrotman | i suppose |
| 19:38.27 | stew | s3a_: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 19:41.08 | s3a_ | stew: i cant cuz its on the ctrl+alt+f1 terminal |
| 19:41.17 | s3a_ | stew: i cant even boot now |
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| 19:41.39 | s3a_ | stew: ok ill tell u wat i did and tell me if its wrong |
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| 19:42.01 | JordiGH | !tty paste |
| 19:42.09 | JordiGH | !terminal copy |
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| 19:42.16 | JordiGH | !console copy |
| 19:42.20 | JordiGH | Argh. |
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| 19:44.16 | amphi | JordiGH: gpm or screen |
| 19:44.17 | jelly-home | !lose JordiGH |
| 19:44.17 | dpkg | JordiGH: You Lose. |
| 19:44.19 | bkashaf | jstad, hi please see http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/logs.html#accesslog |
| 19:44.31 | jstad | bkashaf: figured it out |
| 19:44.35 | jstad | was an odd permissions error |
| 19:44.37 | JordiGH | I haven't lost until they find the factoid I was looking for! |
| 19:44.55 | jelly-home | what amphi said, then |
| 19:44.57 | s3a_ | stew: here was my /etc/apt/sources.list wen i was using etch -->check pm for the sources.list |
| 19:45.02 | stew | s3a_: if you can't even tell us what might be wrong with your install, there is no way we can tell you why it has gone wrong |
| 19:45.04 | bkashaf | jstad, :) good |
| 19:45.19 | s3a_ | stew: wait im going to tell u wat i did |
| 19:45.25 | stew | s3a_: use a pastebin |
| 19:45.27 | s3a_ | stew: i changed all etch to lenny and all stable to testing |
| 19:45.38 | s3a_ | stew: then i did apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 19:46.03 | s3a_ | stew: then problems happened like dpkg error code 1 or sumtin so i did apt-get -f dist-upgrade |
| 19:46.43 | s3a_ | stew: pastebin gave problem too lol --> " * Sorry, your post tripped our spam filter - let us know if you think this could be improved" |
| 19:47.08 | JordiGH | s3a_: Uh, dist-upgrading from etch to lenny isn't supposed to work yet. |
| 19:47.18 | jelly-home | s3a_: yes well, descriptions like "error code 1 or something" won't help people help you |
| 19:47.40 | JordiGH | s3a_: I don't know about others, but it would be nice if you spelled things a little more standardly. Makes you sound smarter. |
| 19:47.57 | s3a_ | JordiGH: r u sure cuz ive read ppl tryin to upgrade from stable to testing |
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| 19:48.26 | linuxjones513 | does anyone know where i can find out what repo ccsm is in? |
| 19:48.26 | stew | s3a_: please speak actual english |
| 19:48.28 | jelly-home | can't read this and withdraws |
| 19:48.40 | JordiGH | s3a_: If it works, it's sheer determination and luck that makes it work. lenny is undergoing active development. |
| 19:48.50 | JordiGH | linuxjones513: apt-cache search compiz config |
| 19:49.16 | s3a_ | JordiGH: ok so only stable to stable upgrades work? |
| 19:49.18 | JordiGH | s3a_: Once lenny goes stable, then dist-upgrade is supposed to work. |
| 19:49.34 | stew | s3a_: you should use aptitude not apt-get |
| 19:49.55 | stew | s3a_: but you need to tell us the actual error you are getting or what exactly is causing you to say that your install is broken if you expect to get help |
| 19:50.06 | s3a_ | stew: wats the difference? (out of curiosity) |
| 19:50.11 | stew | s3a_: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 19:52.17 | SpeedyG | hi, if I want to follow a given file using tail -f, and want to grep on a specific expresion, and want to output the results to another file, how can I do that? tail -f $file |grep $exp > $file2 ? |
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| 19:52.39 | linuxjones513 | JordiGH, doesnt that just search the repos in my sources.list? |
| 19:53.16 | SpeedyG | or should the command be formulated differently? |
| 19:53.32 | JordiGH | linuxjones513: Yes. Well, more technically, the stuff that you've already download to /var/apt with "aptitude update". Anyways, it's compizconfig-settings-manager |
| 19:53.42 | stew | SpeedyG: that looks correct |
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| 19:53.58 | linuxjones513 | JordiGH, i know, but its saying it cant find it in my current one |
| 19:54.12 | JordiGH | linuxjones513: Are you on etch? It's not on etch. |
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| 19:54.27 | SpeedyG | hm, weird.. because $file2 doesnt get anything in it |
| 19:54.32 | SpeedyG | and without the > $file2 it gives proper output |
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| 19:54.33 | Ariana- | hi can anyone help me figure out why my server pings the domain right but i cant do it from any other box? |
| 19:54.39 | linuxjones513 | JordiGH, yes i am, haha, so theres really nothing i can do about that? |
| 19:54.40 | JordiGH | linuxjones513: The compiz that shippped with etch was rather primitive; you could still config it, but it was all manual and with gconf-editor. |
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| 19:55.01 | linuxjones513 | JordiGH, so can i update everything and then do it? |
| 19:55.01 | nixbox | hi all |
| 19:55.02 | JordiGH | linuxjones513: Grep through gconf-editor for compiz stuff, there are things you can change there, but not much. |
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| 19:55.22 | JordiGH | linuxjones513: Yes, but I say you wait a little until lenny goes stable. Your system is working now; it might not work if you move to lenny. |
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| 19:55.31 | Ariana- | ? |
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| 19:55.47 | stew | Ariana-: can you be more specific? |
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| 19:56.14 | Ariana- | ok i can type ping ftp.pantalaimon.info on the server and it pings fine |
| 19:56.17 | linuxjones513 | JordiGH, this is just a test box to me anyway, i can afford to make a few mistakes... how would one go about updating to lenny? |
| 19:56.18 | nixbox | i have installed joomla CMS and created a website on my apache server, i have a domain name too, as joomla is on a sub-directory i want visitors to the domain name to be forwarded to the sub-directory for joomla, and the url in their browsers should still be the domain name |
| 19:56.22 | Ariana- | i go anywhere else and it says domain not found or something |
| 19:56.23 | moshisushi | when trying to install iceweasel in lenny, aptitude says this: --Depends\ --- iceweasel (=2.0.0.6-0etch1+lenny1) (UNSATISFIED).. what to do? |
| 19:56.48 | linuxjones513 | and, just out of curiosity, is there any estimated time frame on when lenny will be stable? |
| 19:57.03 | abrotman | moshisushi: aptitude update && aptitude install iceweasel |
| 19:57.10 | abrotman | lenny has IW3 |
| 19:57.11 | Tapout | is there a standarized way to reconfig a console? choosing font, ... you name it? |
| 19:57.16 | JordiGH | linuxjones513: Try changing sources.list entries from etch or stable to lenny or testing. aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade and good luck, because you're almost guaranteed to run into problems. |
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| 19:57.29 | smhar | hoe to clean previous install of vmware, the new install quits complaining that error: previous declaration of âuintptr_tâ was here,i in th vmmon module |
| 19:57.39 | werwolf | mostafa_sedaghat: I see arabic :O |
| 19:58.00 | cafaro | I changed my monitor after my installation of Debian Etch, and I only have to availability of a few screen resolutions, what should I do to fix this? |
| 19:58.11 | abrotman | smhar: ask #vmware ? |
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| 19:58.53 | moshisushi | abrotman: that's exactly what i did |
| 19:59.07 | abrotman | moshisushi: paste your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 19:59.09 | werwolf | what is the best Debian distribution_ |
| 19:59.10 | werwolf | ? |
| 19:59.16 | abrotman | Debian |
| 19:59.22 | SpeedyG | werwolf: define 'best' |
| 19:59.24 | smhar | abrotman: it is a lenny system so there must be some debian command to clean the leftovers of failed installations |
| 19:59.24 | up365 | linuxjones513, http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/?cat=11 compiz-fusion istall info for lenny |
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| 19:59.28 | JordiGH | werwolf: stable because it's stable. |
| 19:59.48 | werwolf | JohnDoh: what is the difference with etch? |
| 19:59.56 | werwolf | or withou it |
| 19:59.58 | abrotman | smhar: vmware isn't in debian ... |
| 20:00.16 | JordiGH | werwolf: You talking to me? I think you're talking to me because it looks like you're talking to me. |
| 20:00.24 | stew | Ariana-: you need to talk to whoever administers the DNS for pantalaimon.info, and ask them to add an A entry for 'ftp' |
| 20:00.26 | SpeedyG | lol JordiGH |
| 20:00.37 | zorrolero | smhar: deborphan may help you. |
| 20:00.54 | mostafa_sedaghat | werwolf: sorry |
| 20:01.05 | stew | Ariana-: which according the whois would be lyragamer@gmail.com |
| 20:01.12 | Ariana- | thats me |
| 20:01.13 | Ariana- | lol |
| 20:01.57 | werwolf | mostafa_sedaghat: no problem ?= |
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| 20:01.59 | werwolf | :) |
| 20:02.31 | werwolf | JordiGH: yes |
| 20:02.33 | werwolf | I do |
| 20:03.08 | JordiGH | werwolf: stable is stable, unstable isn't, and testing is scheduled to be stable but it isn't stable yet. You take your pick with Debian. |
| 20:03.10 | SpeedyG | stew: as grep does include the selected expression, is there also a command to exclude an expression from whats being printed when using tail -f ? |
| 20:03.34 | werwolf | JordiGH: sorry I use XP, which one is stable |
| 20:03.40 | werwolf | what is ETch_ |
| 20:03.41 | werwolf | ? |
| 20:03.57 | SpeedyG | etch is stable |
| 20:04.12 | moshisushi | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/6g0lJO61.html |
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| 20:04.42 | werwolf | ok, thanks peedy |
| 20:04.46 | werwolf | SpeedyG: |
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| 20:04.48 | JordiGH | werwolf: At any time, Debian has three distributions to offer: stable, testing, and unstable. They are currently codenamed etch, lenny, and sid respectively. Soon lenny will be stable, a new codename will be given to the new testing, and sid is forever unstable (Sid is the kid from Toy Story who breaks toys). |
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| 20:05.11 | amphi | SpeedyG: sounds like -v is what you want |
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| 20:05.37 | abrotman | moshisushi: should be good enough .. `apt-cache policy iceweasel` .. in a pastebin please |
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| 20:06.28 | smhar | thanks zorrolero |
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| 20:06.50 | SpeedyG | amphi: looks like you're right :D |
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| 20:07.25 | moshisushi | abrotman: wait a minute |
| 20:07.32 | abrotman | waits .. but only a minute |
| 20:07.32 | moshisushi | that security server gives me a 500 error |
| 20:07.44 | moshisushi | according to the policy output |
| 20:07.46 | abrotman | !testing security |
| 20:07.47 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
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| 20:08.00 | abrotman | though your line is correct |
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| 20:08.16 | moshisushi | abrotman: non-free grr :) |
| 20:08.35 | moshisushi | yeah but 500... internal server error, what the hell? |
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| 20:08.50 | danners_ | can i generate a sources.list if i have messed it up or do i have to write manually one? |
| 20:09.14 | Tapout | what configures the screen timeout? .. goes blank after like 10 minutes |
| 20:09.43 | moshisushi | abrotman: or i didn't understand the output |
| 20:09.50 | stew | Ariana-: please keep your questions in the channel |
| 20:10.07 | stew | Ariana-: you need to add an A record for ftp to the zone file for that domain |
| 20:10.16 | moshisushi | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/EUfdC893.html |
| 20:10.47 | abrotman | moshisushi: it says 3.x is already installed .. how is that a problem ? |
| 20:10.57 | abrotman | and 500 isn't an error .. that's the 'pinning' level |
| 20:11.05 | Ariana- | ftp IN CNAME pantalaimon.info. |
| 20:11.16 | moshisushi | abrotman: ok good.. well iceweasel crashes with exit code 1 |
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| 20:11.22 | Nyle | hey can anyone check this code and tell me how I can make it better and less redundant? |
| 20:11.25 | Nyle | http://paste.debian.net/15238/ |
| 20:11.29 | Nyle | oh whoops wrong channel |
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| 20:11.42 | Ariana- | stew thats the line i have in the zone file |
| 20:11.44 | stew | Ariana-: what would work depending on the $ORIGIN |
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| 20:11.59 | stew | Ariana-: did you publish that zone? in what serial number ? |
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| 20:12.10 | Ariana- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.44 | Ariana- | first time doing this i probably just messed up something simple |
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| 20:13.03 | stew | pantalaimon.info. 3601 IN SOA dns1.registrar-servers.com. hostmaster.registrar-servers.com. 2008080808 10001 1801 604801 3601 |
| 20:13.17 | stew | Ariana-: so i'm seeing 2008080808 not 2008081902 |
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| 20:13.35 | Ariana- | i dont think its using the dns server i set up at all |
| 20:13.40 | Ariana- | i think its just using the registrars |
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| 20:13.53 | cafaro | I'm trying to change my Monitor in xorg.conf, but how do you know exactly what to fill in for Identifier? |
| 20:14.17 | abrotman | moshisushi: try moving your ~/.mozilla to ~/.mozilla.old and try again |
| 20:15.00 | moshisushi | abrotman: haha so easy... |
| 20:15.02 | moshisushi | thanks |
| 20:15.07 | moshisushi | i didn't think about that |
| 20:15.24 | abrotman | looks at Nyle's code and winces a bit :) |
| 20:15.27 | moshisushi | this is a fresh install of debian, so i have no idea what messed up that directory though |
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| 20:15.52 | abrotman | moshisushi: i doubt you care enough to really find out either eh? |
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| 20:16.34 | jensens | hi, on my dedicated server i killed my kernel. now i started a rescue system, mounted the /dev/sda2 to /mnt, edited lilo.conf - but when running lilo i get "Fatal: Trying to map files from unnamed device 0x000f (NFS/RAID mirror down ?)" |
| 20:16.34 | moshisushi | abrotman: nopes i wont :) |
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| 20:17.11 | moshisushi | abrotman: thanks alot anyway! |
| 20:17.16 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 20:17.32 | n3kl | encfs has a filename length limitation? weak |
| 20:18.42 | cloakable | n3kl: ALL filesystems have a filename length limitation :P Is encfs's limitation unusually low? |
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| 20:18.53 | cafaro | I'm trying to change my Monitor in xorg.conf, but how do you know exactly what to fill in for Identifier? |
| 20:19.06 | n3kl | cloakable: yeah, quite low indeed |
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| 20:19.39 | werwolf | I am back :( |
| 20:19.50 | werwolf | my keyboard does not work either |
| 20:20.18 | werwolf | zorrolero: any idea? |
| 20:20.57 | zorrolero | werwolf: usb-keyboard? |
| 20:21.12 | cloakable | cafaro: any unique string. I usually stick with card0, screen0, monitor0, etc. |
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| 20:21.16 | werwolf | no |
| 20:21.20 | werwolf | ps2 |
| 20:21.33 | cloakable | cafaro: makes identifying things easier |
| 20:21.33 | n3kl | is it plugged in? |
| 20:21.37 | werwolf | sure |
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| 20:21.48 | werwolf | I am writing on it now |
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| 20:22.23 | werwolf | there is no light on keyboar either |
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| 20:22.40 | werwolf | debian does not recognize my keyboard :O |
| 20:22.41 | n3kl | werwolf: I think your 'not working' and my 'not working' are different |
| 20:22.45 | cafaro | ok thanks |
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| 20:23.03 | werwolf | sorry, I am confused |
| 20:23.34 | n3kl | werwolf: you said its not working, yet you are typing on it. Perhaps you could elaborate on what specifically is not working with your keyboard |
| 20:23.48 | phlux | Made some changes to my menu icon today.. made it the 'debian' logo |
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| 20:23.57 | werwolf | n3kl: sorry, it sopps working while starting server X or something |
| 20:23.59 | phlux | http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/phluxgnome.png |
| 20:24.18 | werwolf | I tried with live noacpi noapm |
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| 20:24.34 | werwolf | as told me zorrolero |
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| 20:24.50 | n3kl | werwolf: I doubt either of those kernel options are going to hel you |
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| 20:25.13 | n3kl | werwolf: what version of debian? |
| 20:25.14 | werwolf | n3kl: I wanted try debain on live CD first |
| 20:25.26 | zorrolero | werwolf: try with "live keyboard=us xkeyboard=us noacpi noapm" |
| 20:25.29 | n3kl | phlux: what is that? |
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| 20:25.41 | phlux | n3kl, That's my Debian desktop |
| 20:25.46 | werwolf | debian-live-etch-i386-kde-desktop |
| 20:25.50 | n3kl | phlux: looks like a mac |
| 20:25.51 | werwolf | I mean |
| 20:25.52 | phlux | Gnome, though |
| 20:26.00 | phlux | n3kl, indeed. |
| 20:26.06 | phlux | love the mac GUI |
| 20:26.08 | n3kl | werwolf: you don't have it installed? |
| 20:26.09 | werwolf | thanks you again |
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| 20:26.16 | n3kl | phlux: is it hac hardware? |
| 20:26.21 | werwolf | n3kl: I don't know |
| 20:26.25 | werwolf | I jsut put the CD in |
| 20:26.40 | n3kl | werwolf: right, so its not installed. Its a "live-cd" |
| 20:26.46 | phlux | n3kl, hac? |
| 20:26.57 | n3kl | phlux: mac hardware? |
| 20:27.03 | phlux | Oh, no. |
| 20:27.06 | phlux | It's on a Dell Inspiron 1521 |
| 20:27.09 | n3kl | Ah |
| 20:27.13 | werwolf | n3kl: yes |
| 20:27.14 | werwolf | live CD |
| 20:27.20 | n3kl | I was thinking of getting a macbook pro, thats all |
| 20:27.45 | werwolf | I tried 4 distributions on live CD with no problems |
| 20:27.51 | phlux | n3kl, just use Gnome and follow the guide I did |
| 20:27.57 | n3kl | werwolf: not sure I can help you man. I have never used the live cd for debian and know nothing about it. WHat kind of hardware do you have? |
| 20:28.02 | phlux | I honestly can't tell the difference between my Debian desktop and OSX now. |
| 20:28.32 | werwolf | athlon 1.6 GHz, Radeon 500MB RAM |
| 20:28.52 | n3kl | phlux: yeah, but I was actually thinking of getting a mac. I like my desktop the way it is, but there are a couple mac apps I would like to run with aa dualboot debian/osx on a macbook |
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| 20:29.06 | phlux | n3kl, ah, I see |
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| 20:29.32 | n3kl | werwolf: are you just looking to test drive debian or something? Why don't you install it? |
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| 20:29.55 | werwolf | n3kl: I have only NTFS partition just now :( |
| 20:30.07 | werwolf | and I wanted to try it first before instlling it |
| 20:30.33 | werwolf | and I wanted to compare some distribution before installing it |
| 20:30.42 | n3kl | werwolf: not ready to commit. I see. Anyway, I don't think I can help you any. Someone else in here surely knows more about the configs on the livecd than I do though. |
| 20:31.04 | n3kl | werwolf: are you brand new to linux? |
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| 20:31.54 | bkashaf | werwolf, I tink you can test it with debian base Dstro at first same as UBUNTU or parsix GNU/Linux and ... install Debian |
| 20:31.58 | werwolf | yes I am brand new |
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| 20:32.26 | werwolf | bkashaf: knoppix works well |
| 20:32.30 | werwolf | kanotix as well |
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| 20:32.35 | werwolf | both Debian based |
| 20:32.51 | n3kl | werwolf: both hacked up washouts imho |
| 20:33.01 | werwolf | Madreake, Suse, everything works with live CD |
| 20:33.01 | bkashaf | werwolf, yes :) it's a good Idia |
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| 20:33.12 | werwolf | bkashaf: sorry, which one? :) |
| 20:33.20 | n3kl | werwolf: I support you trying debian and all, but if you are brand new and just want to use linux, may I recomend ubuntu |
| 20:33.46 | werwolf | n3kl: I heard Debian is the best and most stable |
| 20:33.47 | defrysk | lord no |
| 20:33.52 | defrysk | buggy ubuntu |
| 20:33.54 | n3kl | werwolf: it is |
| 20:33.57 | werwolf | and I sove the logo :D |
| 20:34.02 | werwolf | lvoe |
| 20:34.06 | werwolf | love |
| 20:34.07 | werwolf | sorry |
| 20:34.07 | n3kl | love? |
| 20:34.12 | werwolf | like |
| 20:34.12 | n3kl | =] |
| 20:34.15 | werwolf | I like the logo |
| 20:34.16 | defrysk | install debian lenny |
| 20:34.21 | defrysk | you'll love it |
| 20:34.32 | werwolf | defrysk: could you give me a link please? |
| 20:34.45 | defrysk | google debian lenny |
| 20:34.53 | werwolf | ok, thank you very much |
| 20:34.54 | n3kl | Anyone else have problems with hal after upgrading to lenny from etch? |
| 20:34.54 | werwolf | :) |
| 20:34.55 | magentar | if I do a disk backup via dd, am I able to mount the file later? I think it is possible if I backup partitions like /dev/sda1 but would it also be possible if I backup the whole drive /dev/sda? |
| 20:34.57 | defrysk | no handhelds here ;) |
| 20:35.25 | n3kl | magentar: I would think you could be ablt to mount -o loop file.img /mnt/shizzle |
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| 20:35.44 | magentar | n3kl, exactly, that works if file.img is a partition |
| 20:35.57 | magentar | but I think it's not possible if it's a whole disk |
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| 20:36.47 | stew | magentar: you can with the offset option |
| 20:36.47 | magentar | ah great, i will look into it |
| 20:37.11 | jaalto | Is there any tool that would show processes and how much they are taking I/O. My server it showing insane amount of LOAD of 30! |
| 20:37.18 | Authority1980 | is there a 'chkconfig --list initscript'-like tool for Debian? update-rc.d seems to handle adding and removing them from the runlevels, but I want to know how a particular service is currently configured |
| 20:37.27 | n3kl | jaalto: top |
| 20:37.43 | jaalto | n3kl: I m3ean disk I/O. |
| 20:37.57 | n3kl | Authority1980: update-rc.d |
| 20:38.01 | n3kl | jaalto: top |
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| 20:38.15 | stew | Authority1980: ls /etc/rc2.d for example |
| 20:38.38 | n3kl | jaalto: I believe its called %wa. |
| 20:38.42 | n3kl | jaalto: I also like gkrellm |
| 20:39.10 | jaalto | The disk is doing the things, not CPU |
| 20:39.15 | Authority1980 | stew, I know how to use ls, I was looking for something that would tell me all the runlevels at once, like 'chkconfig --list' |
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| 20:39.41 | stew | Authority1980: ls would |
| 20:40.07 | stew | ls /etc/rc?.d |
| 20:40.18 | Authority1980 | stew: yes, but it's a little uglier |
| 20:40.22 | n3kl | jaalto: vmstat -D |
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| 20:40.30 | Authority1980 | but if that's the Debian way, so be it |
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| 20:41.17 | amphi | jaalto: iotop perhaps |
| 20:41.21 | jaalto | n3kl: vmstat doe snot have option -D? |
| 20:41.34 | stew | Authority: you can see if sysv-rc-conf does, i don't know |
| 20:41.39 | n3kl | jaalto: uh, yes it does |
| 20:41.39 | rlc | hi |
| 20:41.39 | o[-_-]o | hello |
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| 20:41.45 | jaalto | n3kl: Ah, vmstat -d |
| 20:41.53 | stew | Authority: i don't think rcconf does, you can look at other things that depend on the sysv-rc package |
| 20:42.08 | n3kl | jaalto: -D is more concise |
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| 20:42.15 | n3kl | jaalto: its not in the manpage |
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| 20:42.46 | jaalto | n3kl: Hm have to report bug against the maual page. Ok. |
| 20:44.03 | Authority | stew: thanks for the pointers |
| 20:44.24 | jaalto | n3kl: you mentioned top with '%wa' how is that done? |
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| 20:47.39 | jaalto | n3kl: iotop looks the best, because it shows processes, like in top |
| 20:47.56 | n3kl | jaalto: ahh, news to me |
| 20:48.00 | n3kl | have to install it now |
| 20:48.37 | n3kl | jaalto: nice, looks good, thanks for the info |
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| 20:49.21 | n3kl | jaalto: do top, then look at %wa, that is the amount of time your system is waiting on your io bus, so that tells you a little on how bogged down your system is |
| 20:49.52 | puff | I have a debian box that had a hard drive failure. Managed to backup and restore to a new hard drive, but I've come across a couple instances where packages were broken. e.g.abrotman and avu helped me figure out libwww-perl was installed but scripts in spamassassin that depended on it were failing. So I reinstalled it. I don't want to wholesale overhaul the system at the moment, is there any apt magic I can do that will simp |
| 20:49.52 | puff | ly go through the currently installed packages and make sure all the files are still there and are not mangled? |
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| 20:50.05 | m4x | does any1 here do c++ ? |
| 20:50.07 | adama | I'm running this command: ssh user@server mysqldump db_name | mysql db_name ...it dies with "Read from remote host server: Connection reset by peer" and a mysql error, before the command completes. How can I prevent this? |
| 20:50.11 | m4x | visual c ++ ?? |
| 20:50.12 | stew | !do c++ |
| 20:50.12 | dpkg | refuses to do c++ |
| 20:50.34 | m4x | what is idb files ? |
| 20:50.39 | m4x | how do we use em ? |
| 20:50.53 | stew | m4x: ask ##c++ |
| 20:51.02 | n3kl | seriously |
| 20:51.04 | m4x | i cant find the room |
| 20:51.08 | m4x | not on my list |
| 20:51.12 | m4x | thats why im here |
| 20:51.16 | stew | m4x: the channel is named ##c++ |
| 20:51.26 | n3kl | adama: ssh user@server " mysql shit | here" |
| 20:51.30 | m4x | ill try again |
| 20:51.39 | n3kl | adama: or maybe 'mysql shit| here' |
| 20:51.55 | n3kl | adama: because of the pipe might need single quotes |
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| 20:52.07 | m4x | found it thanks bye |
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| 20:52.31 | newbiew | If i have 4gb how much swap |
| 20:52.32 | newbiew | please tell me |
| 20:52.34 | adama | n3kl: no the command is right, it worked before but the database grew too large. I just need to get around the timeout somehow |
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| 20:52.56 | visof | hi |
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| 20:53.12 | visof | zorrolero sorry i wasn't around |
| 20:53.18 | ktwilight | is it possible to configure simple-cdd to grab packages from etch-backports? |
| 20:53.20 | n3kl | adama: I don't understand |
| 20:53.26 | visof | zorrolero are you around? |
| 20:53.32 | ktwilight | i fail to find any sauce on it. |
| 20:53.46 | n3kl | adama: are you doing a mysql backup or something? |
| 20:54.03 | n3kl | !simple-ccd |
| 20:54.14 | n3kl | wtf is simple-ccd? |
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| 20:54.56 | adama | n3kl: I run that command, "ssh server mysqldump db | mysql db" - it works - yes it backs up the db from the server into a running db on the client, it all worked great but then the DB got too big and it takes too long and craps out before finishing. |
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| 20:55.44 | n3kl | adama: Ahhh, now you make sense |
| 20:55.48 | adama | 'craps out' = Read from remote host server: Connection reset by peer \n ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 3131: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '' at line 1 |
| 20:56.01 | n3kl | adama: sure sure |
| 20:56.23 | n3kl | adama: so you want to push one database to another server as a backup? |
| 20:56.29 | n3kl | not to a file or something? |
| 20:56.42 | n3kl | mysql has built in features for slave servers and stuff |
| 20:57.10 | n3kl | you could also, backup to file, scp file to server, import file to database |
| 20:57.21 | adama | well it's not really "as backup"... yeah I don't want to spend that much time on it..:) I'll try the scp method |
| 20:57.28 | werwolf | which lenny have I to download? :'( |
| 20:57.31 | werwolf | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:57.41 | werwolf | there are too much of them |
| 20:57.43 | n3kl | adama: there is a ConnectTimeout option for ssh you might also look into. |
| 20:58.02 | visof | i can't start apache2 |
| 20:58.08 | visof | it doesn't work |
| 20:58.09 | n3kl | visof: thats nice |
| 20:58.26 | visof | i tried test it in the browser |
| 20:58.33 | visof | http://localhost |
| 20:58.45 | visof | but it doesn't work |
| 20:58.52 | n3kl | visof: why don't you read your logs and find out why apache won't start |
| 20:59.18 | visof | where can i find it ? |
| 20:59.22 | n3kl | visof: tried a pgrep apache, or netstat -luntp | grep apache lately |
| 20:59.27 | n3kl | visof: /var/log/apache2/* |
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| 21:00.37 | n3kl | adama: ssh -o ConnectTimeout 5000 user@server might do it, from ssh_config manpage |
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| 21:01.01 | werwolf | n3kl: is this the best lenny for me? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-LennyBeta2-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 21:01.03 | adama | n3kl: I'll try that, that's in seconds? |
| 21:01.17 | n3kl | adama: I think so |
| 21:01.32 | n3kl | adama: er, yes in seconds, but I *think* its what you are looking for |
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| 21:01.46 | visof | n3kl i'm in /var/log/apache2, then ? |
| 21:01.50 | adama | n3kl: thanks, I'll let you know how it goes |
| 21:02.10 | n3kl | adama: read up in ssh_config manpage. Good luck |
| 21:02.29 | n3kl | visof: sure, there are lots of things you haven't done yet. Complaining should be last |
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| 21:04.23 | torr | claws say somehting about CRAM-MD5 needing libetpan compiled with SASL support |
| 21:04.33 | torr | is it abalailble on etch? |
| 21:04.35 | visof | n3kl http://rafb.net/p/XhstCP51.html |
| 21:04.49 | akio | im installing etch onto a new box with two 120gb drives, i want this to be a fileserver and i don't care about raid, what is the best way to set this up? |
| 21:05.14 | n3kl | akio: if you really don't care about raid, lvm |
| 21:05.29 | akio | can the etch grub handle booting root in lvm? |
| 21:05.29 | n3kl | akio: well, thats assuming that you want a single filesystem |
| 21:05.44 | n3kl | akio: yes, and there is even an install option |
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| 21:06.05 | n3kl | visof: good start, pgrep -l apache, please |
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| 21:06.29 | akio | install option for grub2 or install option for auto 2 disk lvm? |
| 21:06.31 | polter | I accidentally did and upgrade with some sid-repos enabled.. and got some packages from unstable.. how scared should I be? :) |
| 21:06.52 | akio | your fine polter |
| 21:07.06 | visof | n3kl http://rafb.net/p/J5C1WG50.html |
| 21:07.11 | n3kl | akio: install option for debian? |
| 21:07.16 | akio | i run sid and there are no severe problems |
| 21:07.25 | puff | I asked a question a while ago and emacs gave me an odd "flood" message, did anybody see my question? |
| 21:07.27 | akio | not for production though |
| 21:07.43 | n3kl | akio: personally, I would leave /boot off of an lvm, not sure if *that* is possible or not |
| 21:07.44 | polter | at least I think I got some sid packages in there.. I really don't know Debians naming tradition.. in synaptic it says xorg is "unstable" though |
| 21:08.00 | n3kl | visof: netstat -luntp, please |
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| 21:09.06 | puff | I have a debian box that had a hard drive failure. Managed to backup and restore to a new hard drive, but I've come across a couple instances where packages were broken. |
| 21:09.17 | puff | e.g.abrotman and avu helped me figure out libwww-perl was installed but scripts in spamassassin that depended on it were failing. So I reinstalled it. |
| 21:09.20 | puff | I don't want to wholesale overhaul the system at the moment, is there any apt magic I can do that will simply go through the currently installed packages and make sure all the files are still there and are not mangled? |
| 21:09.31 | abrotman | i did who? |
| 21:09.37 | themill | !debsums |
| 21:09.37 | dpkg | hmm... debsums is a package that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will cause it to check config files. |
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| 21:10.04 | visof | sorry n3kl, got DC |
| 21:10.17 | n3kl | puff: you don't say what the result of the reinstall was |
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| 21:10.23 | visof | n3kl did you recieve the last link |
| 21:10.35 | n3kl | visof: not the netsat luntp |
| 21:10.36 | ZX81 | hi all, anyone know how to find the source cause of a restart? |
| 21:10.37 | darkskiez | hey, i want a tool that will do something like dd, but only write if the data is different |
| 21:10.47 | visof | n3kl http://rafb.net/p/J5C1WG50.html |
| 21:10.52 | visof | then ? |
| 21:10.56 | ZX81 | [08:50] <ZX81> Aug 21 08:21:04 wickliffe shutdown[23412]: shutting down for system reboot |
| 21:11.10 | ZX81 | no logins at that time |
| 21:11.15 | n3kl | ZX81: cron? |
| 21:11.16 | ZX81 | server room was "locked" |
| 21:11.26 | n3kl | visof: wrong link. Do netstat -luntp |
| 21:11.29 | ZX81 | hmmm - shouldn't be |
| 21:11.35 | ZX81 | will check cron jobs |
| 21:12.06 | n3kl | ZX81: and perhasp atd, if you have it running |
| 21:12.09 | ZX81 | cat the cronjobs and pipe to grep for shutdown|restart |
| 21:12.12 | ZX81 | nah |
| 21:12.15 | ZX81 | not running atd |
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| 21:12.29 | visof | n3kl http://rafb.net/p/VYjqXH93.html |
| 21:12.35 | n3kl | darkskiez: like, rsync? |
| 21:12.53 | valdyn | darkskiez: rsync |
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| 21:13.02 | ZX81 | none of the cronjobs are able to restart it |
| 21:13.03 | darkskiez | oh, i never thought of using rsync locally |
| 21:13.11 | darkskiez | would that work ok on a block device ? |
| 21:13.12 | n3kl | visof: so , instead of doing localhost, do the ip of the system, http://10.0.0.1 |
| 21:13.17 | valdyn | darkskiez: no |
| 21:13.17 | ZX81 | pretty much has to be someone onsite pressing ctrl alt delete then |
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| 21:13.35 | valdyn | darkskiez: rsync refuses to work on block devices. |
| 21:13.44 | ZX81 | how do I print atd jobs (in case they're there by default) |
| 21:13.45 | n3kl | darkskiez: no, I don't think that anything working on block level is going to be able to tell if a file has changed man |
| 21:13.55 | n3kl | darkskiez: they are working on totally different levels |
| 21:14.15 | valdyn | n3kl: hes talking about blockwise changes inside files, rsync can do that |
| 21:14.18 | ZX81 | atq? |
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| 21:14.25 | ericpersson | what could be the cause of hight iowait on ext3? is it just slow disks, or could there be anything else? |
| 21:14.31 | n3kl | ZX81: been a while, but its atq, or ad -q or something |
| 21:14.33 | valdyn | ericpersson: no |
| 21:14.39 | n-iCe | is there any linux remote desktop client? |
| 21:14.45 | n3kl | ericpersson: dma |
| 21:14.50 | ericpersson | valdyn: slow disks? |
| 21:14.54 | ericpersson | n3kl: dma? |
| 21:14.56 | valdyn | ericpersson: sure |
| 21:14.57 | darkskiez | n3kl: what valdyn said |
| 21:14.57 | n3kl | n-iCe: rdesktop? |
| 21:14.58 | darkskiez | :) |
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| 21:15.14 | visof | n3kl how can i make it for localhost? |
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| 21:15.25 | kmeyer | n-iCe: or vncviewer |
| 21:15.26 | n3kl | darkskiez: wait, what was said |
| 21:15.27 | jelly-home | ericpersson: access patterns, choice of ioscheduler |
| 21:15.34 | n3kl | visof: just make sure its up first |
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| 21:15.54 | n3kl | darkskiez: got it |
| 21:15.59 | valdyn | ericpersson: you want to tell us your workload to get a detailed answer |
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| 21:16.00 | visof | what do you mean with ip of the system ? |
| 21:16.04 | visof | i use dhcp |
| 21:16.16 | visof | my ip in the lan ? |
| 21:16.21 | visof | or internet ip |
| 21:16.22 | visof | ? |
| 21:16.26 | ericpersson | jelly-home: I have ext3 and a courier imap server, but not many users, so i think it should be fine.. but it might be all the small files from the maildirs tjat causing it? |
| 21:16.33 | n3kl | valdyn: so changes within a certian block or something? do you know the rsync option, I'd like to read up |
| 21:16.43 | valdyn | ericpersson: use dirindex, see manpage |
| 21:16.45 | ericpersson | valdyn: yeah, I understand the problem.. :) |
| 21:16.49 | n3kl | visof: no man, the ip of the system, like from ifconfig |
| 21:16.54 | ericpersson | valdyn: will look it up, thanks.. |
| 21:17.09 | darkskiez | n3kl: it doesnt work on block devices unfortunately |
| 21:17.24 | n3kl | darkskiez: I thought he just said it did |
| 21:17.41 | jelly-home | ericpersson: oh, dir_index might help if it's not already there |
| 21:18.06 | darkskiez | n3kl: line above that, but its that sort of semantics i want. |
| 21:18.13 | ericpersson | jelly-home: sweet, valdyn suggested it as well, will ahve a look.. |
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| 21:18.25 | Saar | hopw can i fix this issue on etch? libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 is to be installed |
| 21:18.27 | visof | n3kl localhost:/etc# cat hosts |
| 21:18.28 | visof | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 21:18.50 | n3kl | visof: and? |
| 21:18.54 | jelly-home | ericpersson: also, if courier doesn't mind, mount the maildir store with noatime option |
| 21:18.55 | darkskiez | Saar: apt-get update ? |
| 21:19.00 | ericpersson | know which package dir-index belongs to? |
| 21:19.05 | visof | n3kl ? |
| 21:19.09 | visof | try this ? |
| 21:19.12 | ericpersson | jelly-home: yeah, recently did that, not much of a difference.. |
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| 21:19.16 | darkskiez | Saar: maybe add another mirror to see if its been updated.. |
| 21:19.30 | n3kl | visof: do ifconfig, get the ip of the sytem, type that ip into your browser and see what happens |
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| 21:20.00 | valdyn | n3kl: --inplace i think |
| 21:20.03 | jelly-home | ericpersson: you'll use dumpe2fs to check it's there, and tune2fs and fsck to enable the option on your filesystems if it's not present |
| 21:20.18 | jelly-home | ericpersson: you already have those (e2fsprogs package) |
| 21:20.30 | ericpersson | jelly-home: ahh.. i see.. |
| 21:20.53 | n3kl | valdyn: Its pretty much the same thing though, from what I am understanding |
| 21:21.17 | jelly-home | ericpersson: schedule downtime; fsck when enabling -O dir_index takes about twice as long |
| 21:21.18 | valdyn | n3kl: same as what? |
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| 21:21.59 | n-iCe | thanks |
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| 21:22.07 | Saar | darkskiez: hm let me see |
| 21:22.10 | n3kl | valdyn: he said he wanted a block level incremental sync of some kind, how does rsync operate at block level. --inplace looks like it update filesystem times and metadata |
| 21:22.25 | ezguy | is there program for converting image to a text base image? |
| 21:22.32 | n3kl | valdyn: do *I* missunderstand |
| 21:22.33 | visof | n3kl http://rafb.net/p/nIA97u83.html , and i tried 192.168.1.5, and nothing happen, i just have connection timed out |
| 21:22.49 | Saar | i am using a local mirror, it should be up to date, or at least it updates daily, will try an official mirror |
| 21:22.49 | valdyn | n3kl: yea |
| 21:23.20 | n3kl | valdyn: perhaps you could explain, please? |
| 21:23.37 | valdyn | n3kl: i thought --inplace will track changes block-wise and only transfer changed blocks |
| 21:23.48 | jelly-home | ezguy: text-based image? ascii art? |
| 21:23.58 | ezguy | right, ascii art |
| 21:24.00 | valdyn | n3kl: and if it changes times and metadata is a seperate issue |
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| 21:25.09 | n3kl | valdyn: "This option is useful for transfer of large files with block-based changes or appended data, and also on systems that are disk bound, not network bound." <-- from the manpage. Now I understnad. Sorry for the missunderstanding |
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| 21:26.16 | visof | n3kl ? |
| 21:26.26 | puff | n3kl: Oh, the reinstall fixed the problem with libwww-perl. |
| 21:27.01 | jelly-home | ezguy: no idea, but now you have some more keywords to search on |
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| 21:27.58 | jelly-home | ezguy: mplayer -vo aa blah.jpg comes to mind, but I'm sure there are more specialized tools |
| 21:28.05 | ericpersson | jelly-home: from what i can read dir_index seems to be a good thing in this case.. :) |
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| 21:28.26 | bdheeman | hi |
| 21:28.37 | jelly-home | ericpersson: when you have >1000 files in a single directory, it is |
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| 21:28.49 | Jorophose | Hi, I keep seeing old (etch-specific) guides saying when you're doing a netinstall to install all these xorg-related packages; but could I just install the "xorg" package and I get everything necessary? |
| 21:29.01 | ericpersson | jelly-home: do you know if it takes a lot of memory? |
| 21:29.02 | n3kl | puff: so what is the problem |
| 21:29.17 | n3kl | visof: you pasted your ifconfig, what about it |
| 21:29.27 | bdheeman | anyone outthere managed to make rtl8180 work in ad-hoc mode? |
| 21:29.34 | jelly-home | ericpersson: it's a ext3 feature; you won't notice any difference in memory usage |
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| 21:30.28 | ericpersson | jelly-home: well, seems to be no drawbacks then.. |
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| 21:30.55 | cjae | is lenny any better than stable for a desktop cause frankly there many bug in this stable version |
| 21:31.26 | cjae | *bugs |
| 21:32.13 | visof | n3kl i tried the 192.168.1.5 as you told, and i have the connection timed out |
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| 21:32.54 | n3kl | visof: maybe you have a jacked up firewall or something |
| 21:33.24 | jelly-home | ericpersson: on my staging area disk backup system, I've noticed a significant drop in system time spent after changing the ioscheduler from the default cfq, echo deadline >> /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler |
| 21:33.32 | visof | n3kl no |
| 21:33.42 | visof | n3kl how can i know ? |
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| 21:34.01 | n3kl | visof: iptables -L will show you a few things |
| 21:34.24 | puff | n3kl: That was the point, I wanted to *find* any more problems before I found them the hard way. |
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| 21:34.36 | n3kl | puff: ahh |
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| 21:34.49 | puff | n3kl: debsums appears to be the ticket. |
| 21:35.06 | jelly-home | ericpersson: cfq ioscheduler is supposed to work better in a range of situations, but was buggy until recently. If you're using debian's 2.6.18 kernel, you might be experiencing some of that too |
| 21:35.09 | visof | n3kl http://rafb.net/p/tZyMhA52.html |
| 21:36.04 | n3kl | visof: looks fine. You are doing something wrong |
| 21:36.45 | visof | what is it |
| 21:37.28 | n3kl | I don't know. YOu have apache running, apache is listening on port 80, you try to connect from the local machine and are getting connection timeout. Something you are doing is not right |
| 21:37.38 | puff | Every here and there in the debsums output it says something like: debsums: can't open comerr-dev file /usr/share/info/com_err.info.gz (No such file or directory) |
| 21:38.54 | felix-da-catz | I know this is a little off topic, but does any one know of a package like bins that will take a folder of images and make a photoalbum? |
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| 21:40.16 | mlLK | will ftp connections fail w/o using ssh on a secure network? |
| 21:40.40 | opensrcguru | felix-da-catz: if you are using kde, konqueror has that ability. |
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| 21:40.59 | felix-da-catz | Nope, command line only access, but thanks for the tip. I will check that out. |
| 21:41.02 | n3kl | felix-da-catz: igal, shalbum, zenphoto |
| 21:41.17 | n3kl | felix-da-catz: start with igal if you don't have gui |
| 21:41.17 | ericpersson | jelly-home: i see, will consider that... am currently running 2.6.18-5-xen kernel on the host.. have enabled dir_index now, and will test it for a few days.. |
| 21:41.25 | n3kl | felix-da-catz: well, I guess it doesn't matter |
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| 21:42.09 | felix-da-catz | Ok cool. thanks n3kl. I will check it out. |
| 21:42.16 | felix-da-catz | it/them |
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| 21:43.05 | n3kl | sure |
| 21:43.43 | ericpersson | thanks jelly-home and valdyn for the hints.. |
| 21:44.09 | jelly-home | ericpersson: oh, you've already enabled it and did the fsck? |
| 21:44.19 | ericpersson | jelly-home: yeah.. worth a shot.. |
| 21:44.58 | ericpersson | jelly-home: clicking a few different messages in thunderbird still generates 95% iowait.. :/ |
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| 21:46.04 | jelly-home | ericpersson: with a single user? |
| 21:46.26 | ericpersson | jelly-home: yeah.. |
| 21:46.40 | n3kl | someone was asking about ascii, there is jp2a, fyi |
| 21:46.47 | ericpersson | jelly-home: someone else might login, but its fairly synced with my clicking, so... |
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| 21:47.14 | jelly-home | ericpersson: you wouldn't have disks from 2000, or connected via usb or something? :-) |
| 21:47.28 | The^Game | Hello Lamers |
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| 21:47.45 | sTeVo | lamerz |
| 21:47.52 | ericpersson | jelly-home: hehe..no, its 2 mirrored sata drives.. :) |
| 21:48.09 | ericpersson | is it possible to check if im running out of inodes? |
| 21:48.12 | eraldo | Anyone here using the combination eeepc + Huwai E220 |
| 21:48.14 | jelly-home | ericpersson: df -i |
| 21:48.15 | sTeVo | fuck you |
| 21:48.16 | sTeVo | fuck you |
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| 21:48.51 | n3kl | Hahaha, take that! |
| 21:48.53 | jelly-home | eraldo: "Huawei"? |
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| 21:49.10 | eraldo | jelly-home: right :) |
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| 21:49.20 | jelly-home | k. |
| 21:49.23 | eraldo | jelly-home: sorry for the typo |
| 21:49.32 | ericpersson | jelly-home: lots of free ones.. gmm.. |
| 21:49.36 | eraldo | jelly-home: any ideas how to get it work with debian ? |
| 21:49.41 | ericpersson | jelly-home: will sleep on this one.. :) |
| 21:49.47 | jelly-home | eraldo: I don't have it :-) |
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| 21:50.27 | phlux | jelly-home, http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/poundawn.png :D |
| 21:50.42 | ericpersson | jelly-home: thanks for the hints so far, will get back to this tomorrow.. |
| 21:50.45 | failure | im having a terrible time here. I'm looking for all available commands for installing NIS through preseed file. |
| 21:50.46 | wasge | hello, i remember a linux magazine with a Debian DVD (1 only DVD). Is it possible to download debian in 1 DVD? |
| 21:50.52 | failure | I have found nothing. |
| 21:51.15 | failure | Well, I have found one where somebody set the domain name, but I need a bit more detailed info about doing so |
| 21:51.16 | zorrolero | eraldo: me, when the 901 eee-pc in black is available in my area.) -> http://wiki.debian.org/Huawei/E220 |
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| 21:52.52 | jelly-home | phlux: I don't get it |
| 21:53.04 | phlux | it's my new desktop |
| 21:53.06 | phlux | gnome |
| 21:53.11 | phlux | just showing ya |
| 21:53.22 | phlux | that's what you helped me accomplish yesterday :P |
| 21:53.29 | jelly-home | phlux: oh, showing off are we |
| 21:53.42 | phlux | indeed. I'm proud of it |
| 21:53.47 | n3kl | speaking of which, when the eee first came out, there was a special install, is that still necessary? |
| 21:53.57 | jelly-home | phlux: and all that trouble... for _Gnome_! :-( |
| 21:54.02 | jelly-home | winks |
| 21:54.03 | phlux | lol |
| 21:54.10 | n3kl | jelly-home: you're not a gnome guy? |
| 21:54.16 | phlux | Actually, to upgrade glibc, gtk, and other things |
| 21:54.31 | phlux | Man if you could make KDE look HALF as good as that, I'd love to see it :P |
| 21:54.36 | jelly-home | n3kl: I'm a human |
| 21:54.40 | failure | anybody on the topic of pressed + NIS configuration? |
| 21:54.41 | phlux | lol |
| 21:55.07 | n3kl | jelly-home: whey, I was going to crack some lawn jokes, but I didn't want to offend anyone |
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| 21:56.11 | Jorophose | when installing from netinstall, and I need to install X, do I just apt-get xorg? because there's like 6 xorg packages =/ |
| 21:56.33 | jelly-home | !tell Jorophose about install x |
| 21:56.49 | Jorophose | thank you |
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| 21:57.02 | jelly-home | !customer |
| 21:57.02 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 21:57.52 | n3kl | What is different about the eeepc installer? |
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| 21:58.06 | eraldo | zorrolero: thank's looks like the right site *cheer* |
| 21:58.40 | bikeb | Hey folks. I was under the impressed "aptitude build-deb foo" would create an equivs packaged "build-dep-foo" which I could remove to uninstall the build dependencies I no longer need. When I attempted to use this feature, no equivs package was created. Am I mistaken as to its function, or did I leave out a step? |
| 21:58.46 | bikeb | *impression -.- |
| 22:00.54 | akio | it seems as if etch's lvm is broken when trying to configure from install |
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| 22:01.11 | akio | i did the same thing with lenny beta1 and it worked |
| 22:01.18 | jelly-home | bikeb: there is no build-dep equivalent for aptitude |
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| 22:02.10 | zorrolero | eraldo: nos problemos. |
| 22:02.25 | visof | hi zorrolero |
| 22:02.36 | zorrolero | ohoh |
| 22:02.37 | visof | i can't run apache2 so far |
| 22:02.39 | n3kl | akio: I have done it in etch without fail |
| 22:02.39 | wasge | is there any debian distro that fits in one DVD? |
| 22:02.48 | akio | with two disks? |
| 22:02.49 | n3kl | !livecd |
| 22:02.49 | dpkg | hmm... livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 22:03.27 | akio | now i want to set up raid0 |
| 22:03.39 | akio | and put the lvm ontop of that |
| 22:03.45 | phlux | hmmm |
| 22:03.58 | n3kl | akio: just remember, the 0 means how many files you get back when a disk fails |
| 22:03.59 | themill | wasge: you don't need all the dvds unless you are trying to install everything, and I bet you're not trying to do that |
| 22:04.03 | jelly-home | wasge: debian makes the first cd or dvd image be well rounded, so you can just download the first binary dvd |
| 22:04.07 | wasge | ok, thanks, is the live CD installable? |
| 22:04.16 | phlux | is it possible on Debian to hear multiple sounds (i.e. XMMS playing an mp3 and pidgin) without having a sound daemon started? |
| 22:04.28 | jelly-home | wasge: there is no fficial live cd yet afaik |
| 22:05.16 | akio | lol |
| 22:05.16 | akio | im wondering about the spped increase |
| 22:05.16 | akio | is it worth it |
| 22:05.16 | akio | besides, there is no redundancy on this thing now |
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| 22:05.42 | jelly-home | raid0 makes baby stallman cry |
| 22:05.52 | n3kl | haha |
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| 22:06.18 | bikeb | jelly-home: Well, aptitude build-dep has enough function to install dependencies, but not create the meta package. I reread the bug report on it, and seems when build-dep functionality was added to aptitude, the latter function was left out. |
| 22:06.19 | akio | why was i kicked? |
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| 22:06.38 | jelly-home | bikeb: sounds like a recent addition |
| 22:06.41 | n3kl | akio: cause you press enter too much |
| 22:07.03 | jelly-home | bikeb: ie. I wasn't aware they added it :-) |
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| 22:08.00 | bikeb | jelly-home: Running lenny, so that could be it :) Doesn't seem it was added until this last March |
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| 22:09.22 | puff | Hm, debsums reports some files are missing MD5s... where would I get those? |
| 22:09.43 | neukadmin | Hi, my HDD makes noises like clicking 3 times and things like this, so I did apt-get smartctl and this is what I got: http://de.pastebin.ca/1180093 Is my HDD alright? |
| 22:09.48 | puff | For that matter, if I'm worried about data integrity (due to media failure, not a security issue), can I force apt to re-download all of the right md5s? |
| 22:10.29 | puff | neukadmin: I just went through two hard drive failures; I'm not sort of expert, but my advice is, when in doubt, there is no doubt. Back up your files. |
| 22:10.36 | jelly-home | puff: not all packages have md5sums of the contents |
| 22:10.42 | puff | jelly-home: Ah. |
| 22:10.44 | puff | Hm. |
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| 22:11.41 | puff | Is there any other way I can make sure those packages haven't been mangled? I guess apt-get reinstall, there're only five packages without md5s (flex, gnupg, libnewt0, lynx, mutt). |
| 22:11.43 | jelly-home | puff: debsums documentation does offer a way to generate any missing md5sums at installation time (if apt/aptitude is used) |
| 22:11.47 | neukadmin | puff I see, is there a way to make an exact copy of my hdd and put it on another? |
| 22:11.59 | neukadmin | including grub and the mbr |
| 22:12.20 | puff | More importantly, five packages FAILED debsums. |
| 22:12.37 | puff | And readline came up as REPLACED, which I suppose is okay. |
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| 22:13.02 | n3kl | neukadmin: dd |
| 22:13.08 | puff | neukadmin: again I'm not an expert on this, but generally speaking there are two ways, dd and "backup and restore". |
| 22:13.28 | ZOP | dd is generally a bad idea because the filesystem sizes change |
| 22:13.29 | puff | neukadmin: If the drive is in good condition, dd does a bit-for-bit copy of the contents. |
| 22:13.32 | jelly-home | backup and restore != bit-identical copy |
| 22:13.37 | ZOP | for linux, try mondo |
| 22:13.59 | ZOP | it's an intelligent bare metal restore utility. |
| 22:14.13 | ZOP | been around for a while, dunno what the current state of it is, but it used to work one heck of a treat |
| 22:14.21 | spx2 | dd is crap |
| 22:14.23 | spx2 | mondo is crap |
| 22:14.24 | ZOP | mondo up a system, pop in the first disc on a destination system, let it go. |
| 22:14.25 | puff | neukadmin: What ZOP and jelly-home said. dd is useful in best-case scenarios, but by definition you don't have a best-case scenario. |
| 22:14.34 | spx2 | the only thing that is not so crappy is partimage |
| 22:14.38 | jelly-home | yeah, but he asked for it |
| 22:14.47 | neukadmin | thx Ill take a look at mondo |
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| 22:14.54 | jelly-home | spx2: meh. It (partimage) bugged out for me |
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| 22:15.11 | puff | I'd like to sort out this issue myself (bare metal backup and restore, good back up policy and tools,e tc)". |
| 22:15.11 | spx2 | jelly-home: I don't think so |
| 22:15.11 | n3kl | whats wrong with dd? |
| 22:15.15 | jelly-home | spx2: doesn't like 600GB partitions much |
| 22:15.17 | ZOP | partimage: how well does partimage deal with partition layout changes? resizes? what about going from IDE (/dev/hda) to SCSI (/dev/sda?) |
| 22:15.20 | spx2 | n3kl: nothing,it's just pure crap |
| 22:15.43 | thingy | I need to download a lenny/main deb file from the following repo: http://eeepc.debian.net/ and I can't figure out what the directory scheme is to enable me to browse to the folder with the deb. Is there a standard format used by debian? |
| 22:15.48 | ZOP | yeah DD is NOT designed as a backup/restore tool heh |
| 22:15.48 | spx2 | ZOP: I don't know but I doubt mondo can cope with those |
| 22:15.50 | n3kl | spx2: you don't contribute much |
| 22:15.56 | ZOP | spx2: it can and does |
| 22:15.59 | ZOP | spx2: it's designed to. |
| 22:16.11 | puff | So, as far as I can figure, doing "sudo aptitude reinstall package" should have no side-effects in terms of forcing upgrades, dependency changes, etc, right? |
| 22:16.18 | \amethyst | thingy: you want a particular package's .deb ? |
| 22:16.19 | ZOP | spx2: so don't say somethings crap when you have no idea ok? |
| 22:16.21 | spx2 | n3kl: I don't need to, I just say which software is crap or not crap IMNHO |
| 22:16.34 | thingy | \amethyst: yes, its a module for the wired connection on the eeepc |
| 22:16.40 | \amethyst | thingy: try looking in /pool/ |
| 22:16.52 | jelly-home | puff: right. however, reinstall only works if the very same version is still available in a repo |
| 22:16.52 | puff | Hmm.... : E: I wasn't able to locate file for the flex package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 22:16.53 | puff | E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root? |
| 22:17.07 | thingy | \amethyst: many thanks! Found it! |
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| 22:17.17 | puff | How would I force apt to re-download the file? |
| 22:17.33 | jelly-home | apt-get -d install foo |
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| 22:17.58 | spx2 | ZOP: I think I've tried like almost any backup&restore out there so I KNOW what I'm talking about(on the other hand it seems you are new to this) ,but maybe mondo appeared recently ,even so,I am still very skeptic about it |
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| 22:18.25 | ZOP | mondo's been around for a long time. |
| 22:18.26 | jelly-home | puff: if it's already download, judicious use of rm /var/cache/apt/archives/packagename<TAB> |
| 22:18.30 | screamingbytes | stew you around? |
| 22:18.31 | ZOP | it's very stable,a nd very usable. |
| 22:19.13 | ZOP | it's designed to be kind of like Norton/Symantec GHOST but for Linux, though I know it's been gaining or has support for a lot of other stuff now too. |
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| 22:19.46 | jelly-home | screamingbytes: ask the whole channel |
| 22:20.20 | jelly-home | screamingbytes: well, unless you're looking for personal reasons ;-) |
| 22:20.43 | screamingbytes | jelly-home: no personal reasons, he was helping me earlier, asked me a q, and i was gonna answer it |
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| 22:22.04 | jelly-home | screamingbytes: you can probably still answer it and he'll read the backlog of lines with his nickname |
| 22:22.07 | screamingbytes | jelly-home: unop was helping too |
| 22:22.20 | screamingbytes | aye very true |
| 22:22.46 | screamingbytes | In either case im gonna try to solve it a gain with the entire chan, cause there wasn't much success |
| 22:22.57 | ZOP | spx2: Obviously you don't. You called something crap you've never used and don't know anything about. I've been doing systems administration for ten years now, most of those (for better or worse) in Linux. There may be better utilities out there, and I'm willing to acknowledge that (you don't see me calling your suggestion crap). |
| 22:23.20 | ZOP | spx2: calling something you've never used crap shows a complete lack of professionalism at the very least. |
| 22:24.24 | eraldo | Could someone please help me understand the debian e220 howto: "http://wiki.debian.org/Huawei/E220" |
| 22:25.05 | ZOP | eraldo: specifically? |
| 22:25.23 | spx2 | ZOP: you are emotional because I called mondo crap aren't you ? |
| 22:25.46 | spx2 | that's pretty amusing to me :) |
| 22:25.48 | ZOP | spx2: No, I just don't like fanboyism, in any form. Or closed minds who aren't willing to accept alternate points of view. |
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| 22:25.56 | jelly-home | spx2: he's got a point |
| 22:26.05 | eraldo | ZOP: the frist block talks about the kernel... and I have 2.6.25-2-686 so it should work natively according to the howto |
| 22:26.06 | ZOP | spx2: Worse spouting out un-informed opinions. |
| 22:26.16 | unop | screamingbytes, still on the strange file issue? |
| 22:26.53 | screamingbytes | unop: yessir |
| 22:26.55 | ZOP | eraldo: Yup, if your userland daemons don't fire it up you should be able to find some /dev entries |
| 22:27.01 | screamingbytes | unop: got it solved though |
| 22:27.04 | ZOP | err rather if they *do* fire it up |
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| 22:27.12 | unop | screamingbytes, ok nice. what did you end up doing? |
| 22:27.15 | screamingbytes | unop: ty for your help |
| 22:27.19 | jelly-home | "strange file" looked more like "someone removed +x from the directory and ls can't read the attributes" |
| 22:27.20 | spx2 | ZOP: you are a sysadmin ... hmm,what can I say ? impressive .. |
| 22:27.46 | eraldo | ZOP: well the modem does blik but nothing else happens... and I have no clue what to do next |
| 22:27.54 | jelly-home | spx2, ZOP: please stop |
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| 22:28.19 | spx2 | ok ok |
| 22:28.29 | spx2 | this was boring anyway |
| 22:28.33 | screamingbytes | unop: you mentioned doing an fsck, so i umounted it and ran it, no prob's in fsck, but while i was still in root i could finally read it. So i went back to user and chmod'd it +x again, and finally it worked |
| 22:28.35 | ZOP | eraldo: Sounds like you're to the point of getting the actual dialup interface going. |
| 22:28.47 | screamingbytes | unop: where before user and root couldn't chown or chmod the dir |
| 22:28.58 | unop | screamingbytes, very strange |
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| 22:29.39 | ZOP | eraldo: assuming you have the associated /dev/ttyUSB |
| 22:30.02 | ZOP | eraldo: the howto mentions it also has some mass storage maybe (which doesn't make sense to me but may be the case) |
| 22:30.12 | e7th04sh | you can't trust them :( |
| 22:30.28 | ZOP | eraldo: if you've got the ttyUSB<N> devices, time to go follow a dialup internet howto for pppd or wvdial. |
| 22:30.40 | eraldo | ZOP: well I found a ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1 |
| 22:30.52 | screamingbytes | unop: indeed. and yes Jelly-Home we all knew +x was missing. That was the first thing i noticed before i asked. (stew and unop) noticed too. But i couldn't change it |
| 22:31.02 | ZOP | eraldo: apt-get install minicom |
| 22:31.16 | ZOP | eraldo: then use it to see if you can talk to the Huwai on ttyUSB0 or ttyUSB1 |
| 22:31.17 | eraldo | ZOP: where did you read that ? |
| 22:31.40 | screamingbytes | I love minicom |
| 22:31.55 | ZOP | eraldo: minicom is a ... modem terminal emulator. |
| 22:32.17 | eraldo | ZOP: please bare in mind that I have no X |
| 22:32.22 | ZOP | eraldo: it's used to communicate with serial devices, like modems, serial consoles, etc (it's just one option there are others, but I can actually help you with minicom, I don't know most of the others) |
| 22:32.25 | eraldo | ZOP: is it a cli one ? |
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| 22:32.31 | jelly-home | eraldo: it is. |
| 22:32.33 | ZOP | eraldo: yes, it is LOL |
| 22:32.41 | ZOP | I don't think I've installed X in 5 years. |
| 22:32.42 | ZOP | :D |
| 22:33.11 | jelly-home | because it comes by default with your friendly enterprise linux! |
| 22:33.12 | ZOP | i guess people probably do take GUI for granted on Linux anymore. |
| 22:33.29 | ZOP | jelly-home: that makes me stabby. servers don't need GUIs :) |
| 22:33.38 | jelly-home | ZOP: tell that to RH |
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| 22:33.47 | ZOP | jelly-home: heck honestly many of my machines don't even have a gfx card. |
| 22:33.52 | eraldo | comming from the ubuntu world... it's quite a change for me... the biggest problem I have though is that the howtos from debian users are not at all beginner-friendly |
| 22:33.54 | screamingbytes | my personal policy, is always learn the cli method before touching the gui tools |
| 22:34.00 | ZOP | jelly-home: well...they're the windows of Linux anyway so... ;) |
| 22:34.08 | ZOP | screamingbytes: and thats a good idea. |
| 22:34.11 | screamingbytes | which tends to make me never use gui methods |
| 22:34.22 | puff | hm, some debsums lines it's obviosu to see what packge is involved, but what about lines like: /var/spool/cron/atjobs/.SEQ FAILED |
| 22:34.30 | screamingbytes | I only have X for Photo Editing (Gimp) etc... |
| 22:34.31 | ZOP | screamingbytes: because when the pretty UI fails, or you need to do something faster, or you need to do 10 or 20 machines or 200 machines, it's waaaay easier to do it CLI. |
| 22:35.06 | ZOP | puff: hm, that should be labelled as a conffile..but thats not a big deal, things in /var/spool are going to change. |
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| 22:35.18 | screamingbytes | ZOP: well i usually run bb or xfce, if at all, i use screen, centericq, irssi, vim, and tools like that |
| 22:35.19 | jelly-home | puff: it came with a package and now it's changed a bit. doesn't look important |
| 22:35.22 | ZOP | puff: actually things in /var in general often change. |
| 22:35.27 | screamingbytes | ZOP: I rarely use gui tools |
| 22:35.38 | ZOP | puff: that specific file is used for at/atq to select the name of the job file it creates. |
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| 22:36.45 | ZOP | puff: at BTW (man at) can be very useful for single-shot in-the-future jobs. |
| 22:36.57 | jelly-home | puff: you _could_ file a minor bug for at (if it's not already there) and complain about in breaking debsums needlessly; they might as well create the file in postinst script |
| 22:37.01 | PeterFA | How do I get the bot to tell me how to cause apt-get to redo all the config stuff for a package? |
| 22:37.02 | DustyDingo | does anyone know, how i can remove the sound of an video with mencoder? |
| 22:37.06 | PeterFA | It missed a configuration again. |
| 22:37.15 | DustyDingo | therese nothing like mencoder -oac none |
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| 22:37.38 | ZOP | jelly-home: yeah, and actually i think at will go 'hey...whatthe' and create it itself on first run if it's not there. |
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| 22:37.48 | eraldo | ZOP: besides using your "minicom" approach,... I don't get how the howto suggests to continue |
| 22:38.00 | ZOP | eraldo: the howto is just to get the hardware going |
| 22:38.09 | ZOP | eraldo: getting PPP up on it, is outside the scope of that. |
| 22:38.19 | jelly-home | eraldo: minicom is just to confirm the modem works |
| 22:38.22 | ZOP | eraldo: they've got some basics for using wvdial and vodacom data. |
| 22:38.27 | puff | jelly-home: I could, but should I? |
| 22:38.37 | ZOP | eraldo: but the minicom thing is jsut to confirm you can actually talk to the modem. |
| 22:38.55 | puff | jelly-home: I want to be a responsible debian user, but I've also gotta get stuff done :-). |
| 22:39.04 | PeterFA | How can I cause dpkg to forget all the deleted config file stuff? |
| 22:39.09 | ZOP | eraldo: if you set it up and point it at ttyUSB0, then type AT<enter> (thats the enter key not literally <enter>) it should say OK |
| 22:39.12 | jelly-home | puff: that depends on whether you care for the next poor schmuck stumbling on that issue |
| 22:39.22 | PeterFA | I have a slice host thing that is full of crazy issues! |
| 22:39.36 | jelly-home | puff: and hey, a lot can be done in 10 minutes |
| 22:39.45 | screamingbytes | ZOP: one of my favorite tools is unavailable in gui :( wget |
| 22:39.56 | screamingbytes | ZOP: I like convert too |
| 22:40.09 | puff | jelly-home: I care, yeah. |
| 22:40.16 | ZOP | screamingbytes: i'm a sed, awk, grep, cut whore myself :) |
| 22:40.45 | screamingbytes | ZOP: doh, those are like oxygen :) |
| 22:41.00 | eraldo | ZOP: will I be able to purge it after that is comfirmed ? |
| 22:41.06 | screamingbytes | ZOP: i wasn't even thinking about those lol |
| 22:41.06 | ZOP | eraldo: yup! |
| 22:41.09 | jelly-home | screamingbytes: sure it's available. "xterm -e wget" |
| 22:41.10 | eraldo | ZOP: there is not much space on the eee |
| 22:41.26 | ZOP | eraldo: minicom is pretty small though too. |
| 22:41.45 | ZOP | eraldo: you'll want to watch any deps it pulls in to make sure you purge those too, but you probably already knew that. |
| 22:42.09 | eraldo | ZOP: it takes 1434KB |
| 22:42.20 | PeterFA | It's like they added every package in the repository and then removed the packages, removing all the configs in /etc too, so dpkg thinks they don't belong. |
| 22:42.34 | ZOP | eraldo: if you can confirm the modem is working, then I'm sure there's a debain PPP howto out there or a wvdial howto (I don't use either...it's been a long time since I used PPPD on linux, well, except as a l2tp server endpoint) |
| 22:42.37 | PeterFA | Besides screaming at the retarded techs, what should I do? |
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| 22:43.01 | jelly-home | PeterFA: restore from backup; /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 22:43.09 | ZOP | PeterFA: I could suggest several very non G related things, but for packages taht arent' installed you can dpkg -P them |
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| 22:43.23 | ZOP | peterfa: for other stuff...nm jelly-home got it. |
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| 22:44.10 | eraldo | ZOP: okay I have minicom now ... how can I now "set it up and point it at ttyUSB0" |
| 22:44.38 | jelly-home | eraldo: run minicom -s, as root |
| 22:44.51 | eraldo | ZOP: by the way, thank's a lot that you take the time to help me / guide me |
| 22:45.36 | ZOP | CTRL-A then D |
| 22:45.49 | ZOP | oh wait thatds dialling directory lol |
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| 22:46.09 | ZOP | CTRL-A then O |
| 22:46.18 | ZOP | (escape to get out of the directory) |
| 22:46.40 | ZOP | i went on tota holy fuck |
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| 22:46.50 | jelly-home | yay netsplit |
| 22:47.19 | ZOP | ANYWAY as i started to say before interrupting myself (thankfully it's not heinlein hah) |
| 22:47.29 | eraldo | ZOP: sorry, having troubles getting an ip via dhcp at my eeepc |
| 22:48.03 | ZOP | once you're in the cOnfigure menu (CTRL-A then O) down arrow to the Serial port setup |
| 22:48.07 | eraldo | ZOP: I just realized that it did not download minicom yet |
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| 22:49.52 | ZOP | eraldo: no worries. |
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| 22:50.44 | xplane | hey, if i'm trying to install debian with a netinst cd and it won't detect my cd drive, will using a regular install cd make a difference? |
| 22:51.02 | PeterFA | Ugh, now I think the installer for TinyERP is just broken on Etch. |
| 22:51.28 | ZOP | xplane: generally not, the netinst disc has the same basis, just less packages. |
| 22:51.33 | ZOP | xplane: details on your hardware? |
| 22:51.41 | eraldo | ZOP: okay I did start minicom now and there is an interface titled "configuration" |
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| 22:51.57 | ZOP | eraldo: ok down arrow twice to Serial port setup |
| 22:51.58 | xplane | ZOP, i'm running ubuntu right now, what hardware info would you like? |
| 22:52.02 | eraldo | ZOP:ok |
| 22:52.03 | ZOP | eraldo: whack enter |
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| 22:52.18 | ZOP | eraldo: then change the first line which is probably /dev/ttyS1 to /dev/ttyUSB<N> |
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| 22:52.31 | ZOP | eraldo: hit A to select that line |
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| 22:53.03 | ZOP | eraldo: the rest of the setting shsould be fine, generally newer minicoms use like 38400,8n1, and hardware flow, which is fine or should be fine for a USB serial devie to startup. |
| 22:53.11 | ZOP | and atleast give you an AT command response. |
| 22:53.41 | xplane | ZOP, i'm not sure where i'd go to find the detailed info about the cd drive, its a new computer though |
| 22:53.59 | eraldo | ZOP: okay did that change |
| 22:54.13 | ZOP | xplane: ok no worries, lets see if we can figure this out from ubuntu. can you cat /etc/fstab and either /msg it to me or paste it into something like pastebin.ca ? |
| 22:54.22 | ZOP | xplane: I don't want you to spam the channel :) |
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| 22:55.00 | eraldo | ZOP: how do I now initiate the "communication test" |
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| 22:55.14 | ZOP | eraldo: ok, press escape to get out of that window |
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| 22:55.24 | ZOP | then go down to exit or press escape int eh configuration dialog |
| 22:55.24 | eraldo | ZOP: did |
| 22:55.30 | xplane | ZOP, i need to reboot, i'll be back in 2 min |
| 22:55.37 | ZOP | eraldo: type AT<enter> |
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| 22:56.18 | eraldo | ZOP I got an "OK" at the last line |
| 22:56.20 | ZOP | eraldo: if it's not responding at all (EG you don't see AT<new line>OK<new line> |
| 22:56.22 | eraldo | with ttyUSB0 |
| 22:56.22 | ZOP | ok good! |
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| 22:56.31 | ZOP | that means ttyUSB0 is probably your huwai |
| 22:56.33 | eraldo | shall I also try ttyUSB1 |
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| 22:56.53 | ZOP | yeah |
| 22:56.54 | ZOP | while we're here |
| 22:57.09 | ZOP | because i just realized that the eee might have an internal modem on teh USB bus |
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| 22:57.19 | ZOP | in which case it'll probably be USB0 and the huwai will be USB1 |
| 22:58.23 | eraldo | ZOP: I'm trying to navigate back to the config menu |
| 22:58.49 | ZOP | CTRL-A O |
| 22:59.02 | n3kl | Anyone know why I am getting this in my logs/emails http://pastebin.ca/1180139 |
| 22:59.45 | eraldo | ZOP: ttyUSB1 also gave me an OK |
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| 22:59.52 | Lunks | I'm trying to install LAMP package using tasksel and although there is an apt-get proccess running, it won't leave 0%! How can I positively know it's getting packages, or if I can't, how to properly install lamp without tasksel? |
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| 23:00.41 | kmeyer | Lunks: sudo aptitude install apache php perl mysql |
| 23:00.56 | xplane | ZOP, sorry, back |
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| 23:01.03 | Lunks | kmeyer: will it be ready with apache supporting php? |
| 23:01.10 | kmeyer | beats me |
| 23:01.16 | eraldo | ZOP: Isn't that weird ? |
| 23:01.37 | ZOP | eraldo: maybe, maybe not,t eh huwai may expose two channels/modems, i don't know much about it. |
| 23:01.43 | ZOP | eraldo: lets assume ttyUSB0 is right |
| 23:01.49 | Lunks | I tried installing it before and apache wouldn't support PHP, and I would not like to configure it by hand. |
| 23:01.53 | eraldo | ZOP: with this one...(USB1) I am getting strage messages every now and then |
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| 23:02.08 | ZOP | eraldo: from there you need to follow a wvdial or ppp howto, and use the settings provided by your Cellular provider for connecting. |
| 23:02.21 | ZOP | eraldo: such as? |
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| 23:02.32 | eraldo | the messige I keep getting is "^BOOT:09296590,0,0,0,6" |
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| 23:02.52 | xplane | ZOP, i did what you asked, but it doesn't say anything about my cd drive in there |
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| 23:03.28 | ZOP | eraldo: well thats definitely not Hayes AT Command set hah :) might be a debug/diagnostic port ont he huwai, stick with ttyUSB0 |
| 23:03.30 | eraldo | ZOP: I thought I have to enter the PIN code somewhere |
| 23:03.38 | ZOP | eraldo: yeah thats part of the ppp setup |
| 23:03.46 | ZOP | eraldo: it'll call it a password. |
| 23:03.53 | eraldo | ZOP: oh good |
| 23:04.00 | screamingbytes | any one know what a docbook is? |
| 23:04.21 | xplane | ZOP, http://pastebin.com/m1e4821e5 |
| 23:04.22 | ZOP | eraldo: most of the time for these GSM dongles the 'get me into PPP mode' phone number is something like *99**1 |
| 23:04.53 | ZOP | eraldo: but each is different, it might be documented in your huwai docs, or it mgiht come from your GSM/cellular provider. |
| 23:05.17 | ZOP | screamingbytes: yeah, it's an XML format sorta like HTML but for producing books, a lot of the O'Reilly books are produced using it |
| 23:05.37 | screamingbytes | ZOP: tyvm |
| 23:05.40 | ZOP | screamingbytes: using stylesheets and such they take the XML and turn it into PDFs, or LaTeX or HTML, etc. |
| 23:06.07 | dutch | any amateur operators around ? |
| 23:06.08 | ZOP | xplane: OK! back to you heh. lets take a looksee |
| 23:06.15 | ZOP | dutch: as in HAM? |
| 23:06.19 | dutch | yes |
| 23:06.35 | ZOP | dutch: if i had my own house heh. :) |
| 23:06.39 | dutch | lol |
| 23:06.53 | ZOP | xplane: sure it does, that last line /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0 |
| 23:07.03 | ZOP | xplane: I'm guessing it's a SATA cdrom drive |
| 23:07.06 | eraldo | ZOP: could you explain to me what I need the wvdial for ? |
| 23:07.09 | xplane | ZOP, yea |
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| 23:07.55 | ZOP | eraldo: wvdial is an automatic dialler application, but i'm sure there's something more debian specific. the modem speaks PPP to your machine so you have to use that. Its....sort of like Ethernet, but for serial ports and the like. |
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| 23:08.54 | ZOP | eraldo: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO/ |
| 23:08.55 | eraldo | ZOP: could I add it somehow to my interfaces list ? |
| 23:09.02 | akio | for some reason grub fails to install on hd0, i have a raid0 setup but there is a /boot partition at the start of the first disk.... |
| 23:09.16 | ZOP | eraldo: yes there's a wvdial method |
| 23:09.20 | ZOP | eraldo: man interfaces |
| 23:09.37 | akio | the filesystem is xfs on the md device |
| 23:10.01 | ZOP | xplane: let me check, but i don't think etch supports SATA CD/DVD drives yet... |
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| 23:10.25 | xplane | ZOP, i was using a daily build of the lenny net install |
| 23:10.29 | akio | can the root be on the raid device? |
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| 23:11.16 | eraldo | ZOP: in the howto the following is said: "You should find three /dev/ttyUSB* devices" but I have only 2 of them... |
| 23:11.21 | n3kl | Anyone know why I am getting this in my logs/emails http://pastebin.ca/1180139 |
| 23:11.24 | eraldo | ZOP: any explaination for that ? |
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| 23:14.00 | ZOP | xplane: hmmm. then it could be a buggy installer too. try manually specifying /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 or /dev/scd per bugs.debian.org/400258 |
| 23:14.21 | ZOP | xplane: an lsmod and lspci output might be helpful too |
| 23:14.40 | xplane | ZOP, i tried it with a net install a month ago and it wouldn't detect my cd rom either |
| 23:14.43 | ZOP | xplane: but it sounds like either your drive itself isn't supported (which shouldn't happen in my understanding now) or your SATA/SAS chipset isn't. |
| 23:15.37 | xplane | ZOP, i was in here a while ago and someone told me to either get a new CD drive or not use debian, i was hoping there might have been some changes that would let me use it |
| 23:15.49 | ZOP | eraldo: i wouldn't take it as gospel. and the howto seems based ona bit older kernel and userland. |
| 23:16.20 | magyar | hi, i use linux-logo for sshd servers. With recent updates the binary logo is being displayed really messy, when using konsole |
| 23:16.27 | ZOP | eraldo: give it a try as is, if that doesnt' work follow the steps beginning with rmmod usb-storage, rmmod usb-serial, then modprobe <blah> (from that howto) |
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| 23:17.14 | ZOP | xplane: yeah SATA CD/DVD support in general in Linux is in it's infancy, and in Debian in particular the installer is still rough with them. |
| 23:17.53 | ZOP | xplane: so they may have been right, staying with ubuntu might be a better idea till Debian catches up. |
| 23:17.54 | ^Ocean^ | hey im running a dual-display with an NVidia card, is there a way i can make the displays Seperate so when i maximze windows or fullscreen videows they dont span accross both displays ? |
| 23:17.56 | xplane | ZOP, so i should just stick with ubuntu? |
| 23:17.58 | xplane | ok |
| 23:18.02 | ZOP | xplane: sorry. |
| 23:18.05 | xplane | :( |
| 23:18.07 | xplane | its ok |
| 23:18.08 | ZOP | xplane: some problems aren't easy fixes |
| 23:18.10 | xplane | thanks anyways |
| 23:18.16 | ZOP | xplane: like i said though, atleast give that manual option a try |
| 23:18.21 | ZOP | xplane: it might be the drive is coming up |
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| 23:18.33 | ZOP | xplane: check dmesg and lsmod output from the ESH in the install env |
| 23:18.38 | ZOP | xplane: (ALT-F2) |
| 23:18.39 | n3kl | ^Ocean^: stop using xinerama and use nview |
| 23:18.49 | Sam1337 | How do I stop my system from replying to Ping requests? |
| 23:19.09 | xplane | ZOP, yea i understand, i have tried manually specifying where the drive is, says its not there, i wanted to switch to debian because i really hate how ubuntu is slow on updates compared to debian, and how debian is more memory efficient |
| 23:19.22 | stew | xplane: which installer are you using? |
| 23:19.30 | xplane | stew, lenny net install |
| 23:19.52 | n3kl | Sam1337: sysctl net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_all=1 |
| 23:20.15 | xplane | stew, today's build |
| 23:20.18 | ^Ocean^ | n3kl, how do i switch to Nview ? I used the nvida-settings program to set up the dual display |
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| 23:20.52 | n3kl | ^Ocean^: I will just give you my xorg.conf and you can test |
| 23:20.57 | ZOP | Sam1337: there's no good reason to do that. but if you're stubborn enough to insist iptables -I INPUT -j REJECT -p icmp --icmp-type echo-request |
| 23:21.06 | ^Ocean^ | n3kl, that could work |
| 23:21.46 | ZOP | n3kl: oh cool they migrated a setting into the kernel for it? heh. useful for times when you don't want it on |
| 23:21.56 | ZOP | Sam1337: oh and i typo-ed -j DROP not -j REJECT sorry. |
| 23:22.23 | ZOP | i just find very little good reason to disable it, it makes diagnostics a huge pain in the butt. |
| 23:22.53 | n3kl | ZOP: wtf are you talking about? |
| 23:23.40 | boulbul | hi, i am having this message every time i do an update...http://pastebin.com/mc4cc523 |
| 23:23.43 | ZOP | n3kl: one of the most basic network diagnostics is to ping a machine to see if it's network stack is up, or the link is up, especially if you're trying to check if your gateway is up. |
| 23:24.04 | boulbul | i do not know how to fix the key |
| 23:24.32 | n3kl | ZOP: maybe you meant someone else. I am familiar with icmp |
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| 23:25.01 | ZOP | n3kl: we both responded to Sam1337. it was in relation to that heh. |
| 23:25.15 | n3kl | ^Ocean^: its way hacked up, it took me a while to get it where I want it, but you should be able to get what you need out of it: http://pastebin.ca/1180160 |
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| 23:25.47 | Sam1337 | After telling iptables to drop ping requests, do I need to restart iptables to make it happen? |
| 23:25.47 | n3kl | ZOP: pfft, sorry, yeah, alright I am no longer going to be slow |
| 23:25.52 | n3kl | overclocks |
| 23:26.35 | ZOP | n3kl: psradm -a -n ? :D |
| 23:26.52 | ZOP | n3kl: (sorry solaris guy at heart, on-line all non-faulty CPUs) |
| 23:27.09 | n3kl | ZOP: didn't you get that memo, solaris is dead =] |
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| 23:27.21 | ZOP | bah, solaris aint dead, only resting. |
| 23:27.32 | n3kl | Rest in peace maybe |
| 23:27.34 | eraldo | ZOP: I have no clue what to set as USER and PASSWORD :/ |
| 23:27.36 | ZOP | besides Linux doesn't have anything close to ZFS yet |
| 23:27.40 | ZOP | it's userspace always did suck |
| 23:27.48 | ZOP | i've been starting to use Nexenta more though |
| 23:27.51 | eraldo | ZOP: there is nothing in the manual |
| 23:27.54 | ZOP | OpenSol + Ubuntu userland. |
| 23:28.14 | ZOP | eraldo: i can't help you there - thats stuff that must come from your GSM provider from what I know about them. |
| 23:28.30 | n3kl | solaris userspace sucks. ZFS is on fbsd 7.0 iirc |
| 23:28.43 | ZOP | n3kl: yeah it is. but fbsd doesn't have apt either. |
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| 23:28.56 | n3kl | ZOP: pkg_add is pretty good though |
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| 23:29.13 | ZOP | n3kl: i hope that was sarcasm :P |
| 23:29.21 | ph8 | hi all, i've got a weird bug running debian under KVM where GRUB always defaults to /dev/hdb1 when it refreshes itself, the disk is actually /dev/hda1 and i have to keep editing it - any idea where this is setup so i can alter it for good? |
| 23:29.45 | n3kl | ZOP: I have not had too many issues with fbsd packaging, but I am not as seasoned on fbsd as I am on linux |
| 23:29.48 | ZOP | n3kl: as a comparison to dpkg i guess they're on fairly equal footing. but there's no real apt equivalent AFAIK. thats teh sucky part about pkg mgmnt in Sol. |
| 23:30.04 | ZOP | And in FBSD too |
| 23:30.22 | n3kl | ZOP: pkg_add -r? |
| 23:30.26 | ZOP | FBSD ports is great, but it's lacking the cohesive repository nature of aptitude. |
| 23:30.34 | n3kl | ZOP: agreed |
| 23:30.39 | ZOP | n3kl: only works if you've got the packages there. :) |
| 23:30.43 | boulbul | hi again, i need to verify a public key .. the key is PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5. cn anyone help please |
| 23:30.49 | ZOP | still have to track them down. |
| 23:31.06 | n3kl | ZOP: but its got the option to build from source that debian does not really facilitate very well |
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| 23:31.31 | ZOP | boulbul: i'd ask in #ubuntu since you're using an ubuntu dist, or, since its apparently a commercial dist(??) maybe ask your support channel. the underlying tool is apt-key add <keyfile> but for finding the pubkey, i don't know if anyone here can help. |
| 23:31.53 | n3kl | ZOP: of the unixish oses, I like fbsd the best, though you're right, nothing compares to dpkg/apt |
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| 23:32.12 | boulbul | zop: i am using a debian dist not ubunto |
| 23:32.25 | ZOP | n3kl: yeah thats what makes it better. "oh heck i NEED the foobarbang option and it's not in the binary package!" Debian *headdesk* FBSD "sure, just compile with BLAH set on the command line" |
| 23:32.47 | ZOP | boulbul: then why are you trying to include packages for an ubuntu dist? |
| 23:32.57 | n3kl | ZOP: nexenta, I will have to look at that a bit |
| 23:33.10 | ZOP | n3kl: it's still young. and 2.0a1 is well ... neigh unusable lol |
| 23:33.28 | eraldo | ZOP: as for the DNS... my provider has two addresses here |
| 23:33.32 | boulbul | zp:how can i remove the package alltogether, please |
| 23:33.40 | ZOP | n3kl: but it's a great concept, take the ZFS and more solid NFS and resource control etc of solaris, and put a linux userspace onnit. |
| 23:33.54 | ZOP | eraldo: yeah you'll use both generally, it's in case one fails. |
| 23:33.56 | n3kl | ZOP: though, I have only played with solaris once, I know a guy who worked on the kenrel for like 15 years for sun and there are some interesting things about it, but I can't bring myself to learn it cause I have never had to use it, nor do I think adoption of solaris in the admin business is likely |
| 23:34.23 | ZOP | n3kl: solaris has the parallelism problem much better solved than linux does. |
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| 23:34.28 | eraldo | ZOP: can I just use one of them ...or how can I put both into the /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 23:34.30 | ZOP | n3kl: and diagnostics and stuff like taht psradm thing |
| 23:34.31 | n3kl | ZOP: though, I think 15 years ago it was sunos |
| 23:34.51 | n3kl | ZOP: he worked on some self healing aspects of the kernel. I believe he holds the patents |
| 23:34.53 | ZOP | n3kl: i recently had a driver bug, race condition...the ssytem didn't ened the other 6 processors, so i used psradm to shut em off (without rebooting) |
| 23:34.57 | eraldo | ZOP: the line says "nameserver <IP>" |
| 23:35.22 | folken | i hate censorship. swissjustice.net has address 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:35.31 | n3kl | ZOP: I am pretty sure you would hit a kernel panic in that even on linux |
| 23:35.35 | ZOP | eraldo: create multiple lines in /etc/resolv.conf each starting with nameserver. man resolv.conf for more information on resolv.conf. |
| 23:35.47 | ph8 | hi all, i've got a weird bug running debian under KVM where GRUB always defaults to /dev/hdb1 when it refreshes itself, the disk is actually /dev/hda1 and i have to keep editing it - any idea where this is setup so i can alter it for good? |
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| 23:36.03 | ZOP | n3kl: yeah when you hit the bug, but to get the machine working i was able to boot single user, offline procs, then continue to multi-user. |
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| 23:36.37 | ZOP | ph8: uhm there are some comments at the beginning of the file that control update-grub |
| 23:36.53 | ZOP | ph8: search those out, sounds like one of them says hdb1.... |
| 23:37.00 | n3kl | ZOP: linux is going places for sure. I don't know much about the parallelism in solaris |
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| 23:37.22 | ph8 | thx |
| 23:37.46 | folken | ph8: check out # kopt=root=/dev/sda1 ro |
| 23:37.54 | eraldo | ZOP: my provider also supplies me with something like an "initstring" beeing: ' at+cgdcont=1,"IP","web.yesss.at" ' |
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| 23:37.59 | folken | and groot variables in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:38.11 | eraldo | ZOP: any ideas where to insert that ? |
| 23:38.29 | n3kl | leaves for class |
| 23:38.39 | ZOP | eraldo: the init string is part of the wvdial setup. |
| 23:38.42 | ph8 | thx |
| 23:39.09 | eraldo | ZOP: what? I was not asked for it and I did not see any in the .conf file |
| 23:39.20 | eraldo | ZOP: I'll look again |
| 23:39.29 | ZOP | eraldo: which conf file? wvdial.conf? |
| 23:39.32 | eraldo | ZOP: ahhh found it |
| 23:39.39 | eraldo | ZOP: yes |
| 23:39.44 | ZOP | yeah you can add an Init<N> |
| 23:40.06 | ZOP | with that string |
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| 23:40.20 | eraldo | ZOP: hm... where would I put what of the line that came ? (at+cgdcont=1,"IP","web.yesss.at") |
| 23:40.42 | ZOP | thats definitely a weird oen, but i don't know anything about anything but the AT FAX extensions, and I know theres a LOT of extensions to AT since I was actively writing modem software :) |
| 23:40.58 | ZOP | eraldo: you'll have a [Dialer <blah>] section |
| 23:41.02 | usar | Hi. is there any tool with which I can browse the dbus services made available by the applications running on my machine? (I have one particular application that does not document its interface and I would like to have an alternative to digging through its sourcecode) |
| 23:41.06 | ZOP | where blah is the profile name you used |
| 23:41.22 | eraldo | ZOP: defaults in my case ^^ |
| 23:41.26 | ZOP | i don't have wvdial installed anywhere, so I'm going on memory here eraldo. |
| 23:41.43 | ZOP | you'll want to create a section with the Modem, baud, init, and modem type strings. |
| 23:41.48 | eraldo | ZOP: wail... I'll help you |
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| 23:42.46 | ZOP | because you'll need to reference that section later in the interfaces file. |
| 23:44.09 | eraldo | ZOP: can I just change "Defaults" to a name of my choice ? |
| 23:44.28 | ZOP | eraldo: no i'd add a section. you can do that though. Defaults is 'special' |
| 23:44.43 | ZOP | every single other section you mention inherits settings from Defaults |
| 23:44.43 | Ian_Daniher | does anyone have a T400 thinkpad? |
| 23:44.52 | eraldo | http://debian.pastebin.com/d20b72f2d |
| 23:45.21 | ZOP | Ian_Daniher: I'm sure a lot of people do, it's a popular model </smartalec> :) sorry i couldn't resist, i don't actually have one myself. |
| 23:45.22 | eraldo | ZOP: oops how can I redo the defaults ? |
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| 23:45.37 | eraldo | I have overwritten them :( |
| 23:45.39 | Ian_Daniher | ZOP: it's relevant because I'm wondering how it works with Debian |
| 23:45.48 | newbiew_ | hi can someone help me please |
| 23:45.51 | ZOP | eraldo: if you're only ever using the one connection it may not matter. |
| 23:45.57 | Ian_Daniher | (duh), but I'm debating buying one |
| 23:46.04 | eraldo | ZOP: okay |
| 23:46.15 | ZOP | Ian_Daniher: yeah i figured as much, i just couldn't resist the knee-jerk smartass reaction. |
| 23:46.15 | eraldo | ZOP: did you look at the link ? |
| 23:46.21 | Ian_Daniher | and need to know what features he/she could get to work on it |
| 23:46.57 | ZOP | Ian_Daniher: does ibm sell that one preloaded wiht linux? (i'm curious too and lazy to try to nav lenovo/ibm's site right now |
| 23:47.15 | Ian_Daniher | ZOP: some, but not the T400 |
| 23:47.18 | ZOP | eraldo: you'll want to make sure to change that Baud line |
| 23:47.23 | Ian_Daniher | and they offer either mandriva or SUSE, iirc |
| 23:47.28 | ZOP | eraldo: 9600 is slower than dirt :) |
| 23:47.36 | ZOP | eraldo: use the number from the Huwai howto. |
| 23:48.05 | ZOP | eraldo: and i wouldn't worry about what you've done there otherwise here lemme rewrite it for ya and resubmit to pastebin |
| 23:48.25 | eraldo | ZOP: sure, thanks |
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| 23:50.10 | newbiew_ | hi |
| 23:50.13 | newbiew_ | debian newbie here |
| 23:50.21 | newbiew_ | my sound card not working |
| 23:50.26 | newbiew_ | can someone guide me please |
| 23:50.27 | wols | !enter |
| 23:50.27 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 23:50.34 | wols | newbiew_: what kernel version? |
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| 23:51.12 | newbiew_ | 2.4 |
| 23:51.23 | ZOP | eraldo: http://debian.pastebin.com/m28da30af |
| 23:51.32 | wols | that is sarge. you don't want to run sarge |
| 23:51.34 | newbiew_ | but im doint this |
| 23:51.38 | newbiew_ | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/kernel2.6.htm |
| 23:51.47 | newbiew_ | doing |
| 23:51.51 | newbiew_ | so i have2.6 no2 |
| 23:51.52 | newbiew_ | now |
| 23:51.52 | phlux | How can I make compiz and avant-window-manager start when gnome is started? |
| 23:51.55 | wols | !tell newbiew_ about sarge->etch |
| 23:52.07 | wols | newbiew_: EXACT version of kernel and what sound hardware |
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| 23:53.14 | ZOP | eraldo: i mis-spelled huawei in there but you get the idea. |
| 23:53.19 | newbiew_ | 2.6.4 |
| 23:53.21 | newbiew_ | and how do i check |
| 23:53.22 | newbiew_ | sound card |
| 23:53.23 | newbiew_ | ?? |
| 23:53.24 | PeterFA | Anyone know how to install OpenERP on Etch? |
| 23:53.35 | epsilon | what's the shell command again to return x. word in a string? |
| 23:53.35 | wols | newbiew_: that is no debian kernel. install etch |
| 23:53.42 | ZOP | eraldo: you'll probably still ahve to set the username and password in the Defaults section to get it to work. |
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| 23:53.45 | PeterFA | I can't find any documentation online that's not scrambled hopelessly. |
| 23:53.52 | newbiew_ | of course it is |
| 23:53.58 | wols | newbiew_: no |
| 23:53.58 | newbiew_ | i have the testing lenny |
| 23:54.00 | newbiew_ | yes |
| 23:54.11 | eraldo | ZOP: I have found a site that changes "/etc/ppp/peers/ppp" |
| 23:54.16 | wols | newbiew_: 2.6.4 is not lenny and neiother was your 2.4 kernel |
| 23:54.50 | newbiew_ | how do i check |
| 23:54.52 | newbiew_ | sound card |
| 23:54.59 | wols | first answer the kernel question |
| 23:55.02 | newbiew_ | and kernel |
| 23:55.03 | newbiew_ | too |
| 23:55.06 | eraldo | ZOP: what do you think of that site? "http://linux.frankenberger.at/Huawei_E220.html" |
| 23:55.06 | newbiew_ | i dont know |
| 23:55.07 | newbiew_ | then |
| 23:55.08 | newbiew_ | no idea |
| 23:55.10 | newbiew_ | but i have |
| 23:55.13 | newbiew_ | testing lenny so you may know |
| 23:55.15 | newbiew_ | which is my kernel |
| 23:55.19 | wols | newbiew_: do not misuse your enter key |
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| 23:55.24 | ZOP | newbiew_: jesus christ, STOP with the enter key already. |
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| 23:55.52 | wols | newbiew_: either you provide accurate info or we stop all this right now |
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| 23:56.07 | newbiew_ | cant believe i have debian and i always end asking in ubuntu |
| 23:56.08 | newbiew_ | lame |
| 23:56.09 | newbiew_ | bye |
| 23:56.20 | ZOP | eraldo: i dont' know wnough german, but thats teh bare pppd equivalents. wvdial just makes using pppd simpler. |
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| 23:57.03 | ZOP | kinda hard to help someoe who refuses to do anything to help you help them hah. |
| 23:57.28 | ZOP | i don't think debian EVER had 2.6.4, AFAIK went right to 2.6.8 when it went to 2.6 series. |
| 23:57.43 | ZOP | and the excessive enter key usage, bloody hell. |
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| 23:58.51 | up365 | ZOP, well he ENTERed back in the ubuntu gene pool |
| 23:59.19 | ZOP | up365: I think he should ENTER into the Darwin Awards. |
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| 23:59.32 | Vi^3PP | hey i was in here the other day and mentioning about how my resolv.conf is deleting my namesevers on reboot... i changed the resolvconf file to prepend and im still having the same issue... how can i have my nameservers stick so i dont have to keep putting them in the resolv.conf file or it s link |
| 23:59.53 | Somni | Vi^3PP: are you running a dhcp daemon? |
| 23:59.55 | ZOP | Vi^3PP: using DHCP? |
