| 00:00.00 | Vi^3PP | nope static |
| 00:00.29 | Somni | you'll have to figure out what's doing it, then |
| 00:00.30 | puff | jelly-home: Durrr... okay, so after many distractions IRL and running around, I've got reportbug installed and am reporting that bug, now... what was it again? |
| 00:00.47 | ZOP | Vi^3PP: check in the /etc/network/interfaces file....might be misconfigured in there. i don't quite understand how resolvconf works (seems ot be a lack of documentation) |
| 00:00.53 | Vi^3PP | well supposedly adding prepend to the resolvconf file is supposed to fix it |
| 00:01.02 | ZOP | Vi^3PP: i've always just ended up dpkg -P resolvconf lol :) |
| 00:01.34 | Vi^3PP | ZOP, that might be the best option |
| 00:01.43 | Vi^3PP | especially if its just causing me problems |
| 00:02.00 | ZOP | yeah aptitude tries to pull it in with like postfix |
| 00:02.50 | Vi^3PP | cool... see how that works on a reboot... no biggie just a pain |
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| 00:03.15 | eraldo | ZOP: when I now try to start wvdial... |
| 00:03.39 | eraldo | ZOP: I get cannot open /dev/modem: No such file or directory |
| 00:03.49 | puff | jelly-home: Hm, would you say this is a "normal" bug? |
| 00:03.52 | Vi^3PP | i have not heard but is lenny still on track for a sept stable release? |
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| 00:04.22 | wols | !tell Vi^3PP about wwlr |
| 00:04.37 | ZOP | honestly don't know Vi^3PP. kinda hoping so. we're starting to get mgd servers w/o IDE CD/DVD drives, im having to do pure PXE/network installs which we're not very well setup for. |
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| 00:06.23 | eraldo | ZOP: what can I do about that error ? |
| 00:06.51 | wols | eraldo: create it or tell wvdial what dev file to use |
| 00:07.13 | eraldo | wols: how can I tell it what dev file to use ? |
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| 00:07.47 | wols | why do you use wvdial btw? |
| 00:08.06 | wols | and what modem is it? and is it recognized and working? |
| 00:08.08 | grigora | Hi, when I run dpkg -l package* I get a list of packages, but the name is always cut off. How can I tell it to display the full name? |
| 00:08.17 | eraldo | in the /etc/wvdial.conf there is already a line "Modem = /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 00:08.19 | Vi^3PP | ZOP, i just made a usb boot key with lenny beta2 and a netinst iso that works nice |
| 00:08.27 | ZOP | eraldo: Ah, you sure you get the config right? and you're running wvdial huwei? |
| 00:08.29 | wols | grigora: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l IIRC |
| 00:08.37 | Vi^3PP | i would like to update it though... but it does the job for now |
| 00:08.42 | bpgoldsb | I have a machine foo.example.com. foo is the hostname (set in /etc/hostname). I need to change it to be foo.example2.com. Ignoring DNS changes, where do I change the domain name? |
| 00:08.44 | ZOP | eraldo: i moved the acutal modem config to a seperate profile how it usually expects it. |
| 00:08.56 | Vi^3PP | wols, ty that helps with the wwlr |
| 00:09.04 | grigora | wols: nope, same thing |
| 00:09.39 | grigora | wols: that worked actually, had to export COLUMNS, thank you |
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| 00:10.01 | ZOP | grigora: just do it all on one line, you don't need to export it then. |
| 00:10.11 | ZOP | grigora: (stupid bash tricks 101 :) ) |
| 00:10.12 | eraldo | ZOP: "+CME ERROR: SIM PIN required" |
| 00:11.14 | ZOP | eraldo: that i can't help you with ... there's some init string that's missing to unlock your SIM card apparently, and I have no clue how to get that into the modem. it'll likely be something you append to either Init3 *or* to the Phone setting. |
| 00:11.41 | ZOP | you did change the Phone setting to whatever your provider recommends, right? i think thats where teh PIN gets requested/set, i'm not entirely sure. |
| 00:11.55 | eraldo | ZOP: yes I did |
| 00:12.20 | grigora | ZOP: or that |
| 00:13.02 | eraldo | ZOP: OK AT+CPIN? READY-AT+CPIN=PIN-OK "" |
| 00:13.11 | dad | so, lenny is close to release? |
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| 00:13.34 | eraldo | ZOP: that's what it says in the ppp config on the german site |
| 00:13.46 | eraldo | ZOP: PIN beeing my pin number |
| 00:13.51 | ZOP | eraldo: yeah thats shorthand for "ATTENTION I WANT TO GIVE YOU A PIN" |
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| 00:14.09 | ZOP | modem says "READY" we send AT+CPIN=<your pin>" |
| 00:14.20 | ZOP | so you cna add +CPIN=<yourpin> to the end of INI3 |
| 00:14.22 | ZOP | *INIT3 |
| 00:14.29 | eraldo | ZOP: how can I hand over the pin with wvdial ? |
| 00:14.33 | Dan6688 | (nutsp you-all) |
| 00:14.42 | eraldo | ZOP: ok I'll try that |
| 00:15.15 | ZOP | eraldo: that site is doign the 'safe' thing of seeing if the modem supports teh +CPIN construct before proceeding. |
| 00:15.51 | ZOP | there's no real easy way to do that with WVDial, and it's probably pretty safe to assume it does since i'ts giving that error |
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| 00:17.30 | eraldo | ZOP: "Init3 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 +CGDCONT=1,"IP","web.yesss.at" +CPIN=<mypin>" |
| 00:17.40 | tobias | i run a debian etch host, and i want to use debootstrap to install other newer versions of debian etch and/or ubuntu. what is the recommended procedure? |
| 00:17.40 | eraldo | would that be right ? |
| 00:18.00 | tobias | ...destined to be xen virtual machines |
| 00:18.21 | ZOP | eraldo: Yup! |
| 00:18.36 | eraldo | ZOP: nop... same error |
| 00:18.46 | ZOP | eraldo: Hm. |
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| 00:19.45 | eraldo | ZOP: what about the "-OK" after the pin number ? |
| 00:20.14 | ZOP | thats just part of expect chat syntax. |
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| 00:20.21 | ZOP | still have minicom installed? |
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| 00:20.37 | adama | n3kl: that -o ConnectTimeout=3600 didn't work |
| 00:20.45 | eraldo | ZOP: yes I do |
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| 00:21.06 | ZOP | eraldo: ok lets fire that back up, connect it to the modem and try something here with those CPIN commands, ok? |
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| 00:23.53 | eraldo | ZOP: okay I'm there |
| 00:23.59 | eraldo | getting the OK |
| 00:24.03 | ZOP | eraldo: got teh modem? eggsoylent. |
| 00:24.11 | ZOP | eraldo: ATZ (should come back with OK) |
| 00:24.17 | ZOP | eraldo: AT+CPIN? |
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| 00:24.23 | ZOP | eraldo: (tell me what that comes back with) |
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| 00:25.05 | eraldo | ZOP: "#CPIN: SIM PIN" "" "OK" |
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| 00:25.29 | eraldo | ZOP: the # should be a + |
| 00:25.48 | eraldo | .oO( typo ) |
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| 00:26.01 | BW^- | in my terminal app putty, the app "screen" makes the history of the console truncate at the top of the visible screen. is there any way to get it continue upwards, sot hat i can scroll back easily? |
| 00:26.09 | BW^- | scroll up |
| 00:26.29 | eraldo | BW^-: yes there is: CTRL+A [ |
| 00:26.42 | eraldo | BW^-: scroll buffer mode |
| 00:26.46 | ZOP | eraldo: yeah i figured as much ok lets try AT+CPIN=pinhere |
| 00:26.54 | ZOP | eraldo: and lets see what it says |
| 00:27.14 | ZOP | eraldo: it might be picky in that we might have to tell it +CPIN="pinhere" instead of just the pin digits |
| 00:27.21 | ZOP | (IE enclose it in quotes) |
| 00:27.24 | eraldo | ZOP: gives "OK" |
| 00:27.36 | ZOP | AT+CPIN? |
| 00:27.36 | ZOP | again |
| 00:27.49 | eraldo | ZOP: I did it without the quotes |
| 00:27.58 | eraldo | it returned OK |
| 00:28.02 | ZOP | eraldo: and in the config file, you have it just the numbers? |
| 00:28.19 | eraldo | ZOP: yes |
| 00:28.34 | ZOP | eraldo well the good news is your PIN is OK...i'm not clear on why it's not accepting it on the Init3 line.....lets try this |
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| 00:28.44 | eraldo | ZOP: do I need a comma to add the +CPIN stuff ? |
| 00:28.45 | ZOP | ATDTphonenumberyourusing |
| 00:28.50 | ZOP | no |
| 00:29.05 | ZOP | commas continue arguments to a previous + |
| 00:29.23 | ZOP | the delimiter between them is actually + (or in some broken instances + or whitespace) |
| 00:29.37 | Nyle | WHAT! |
| 00:29.53 | eraldo | ZOP: "CONNECT" |
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| 00:30.01 | ZOP | eraldo: OK! so we know it works heh |
| 00:30.16 | ZOP | lets exit out of minicom. |
| 00:30.56 | eraldo | ZOP: it is still in modem mode now as it blinks blue now |
| 00:30.59 | ZOP | eraldo: you didn't put the pin inside of <>'s did you? |
| 00:31.01 | eraldo | not green anymore |
| 00:31.08 | eraldo | nop |
| 00:31.14 | ZOP | eraldo: yeah you can fire up minicom and do |
| 00:31.17 | ZOP | +++ |
| 00:31.20 | ZOP | it should come back ok |
| 00:31.24 | ZOP | then you can say ATH0 |
| 00:31.25 | ZOP | to hangup |
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| 00:32.59 | r3c4ll | hello, fist excuse my bad english. somebody could tell me what version of airoscript i can download for my debian etch that work? my wireless card is Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) the driver is already installed and it works (i already conected to a wireless network), my kernel is 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 00:33.03 | eraldo | ZOP: does not work |
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| 00:33.41 | ZOP | eraldo: really? try enter, then +++ -- the +++ has to be sent liek you're triple-clicking-a-mouse |
| 00:33.47 | ZOP | (IE fast) |
| 00:33.59 | ZOP | err don't actually type in --, sorry heh |
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| 00:34.08 | ZOP | you have to wait for the OK after you send +++ |
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| 00:34.27 | eraldo | ZOP: I can not enter a "+" sign |
| 00:34.33 | eraldo | I have no idea why |
| 00:34.37 | BW^- | eraldo: is there any way to get it pass the log into the terminal app, as usually the terminald oes |
| 00:34.38 | BW^- | ? |
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| 00:35.00 | greeg | hi |
| 00:35.07 | ZOP | eraldo: oh it won't echo that back to you |
| 00:35.15 | greeg | i went to copy a DVD. using k3b i get an error saying no space left on disk????? |
| 00:35.20 | ZOP | eraldo: it's in connected mode right now, the interpreter is off |
| 00:35.26 | greeg | how is a dvd "copy" run out of space ? |
| 00:35.26 | ZOP | eraldo: so you just need to blindly hit +++ |
| 00:35.58 | eraldo | ZOP: does nothing |
| 00:36.02 | ZOP | greeg: probably isn't going disc-to-disc, writing a tempfile in say /tmp maybe? Or you're going from a +DL to a single layer disc |
| 00:36.42 | greeg | how do i make it go disk to disk ? |
| 00:36.42 | eraldo | ZOP: is unplugging a bad idea ? |
| 00:36.45 | ZOP | uhm, just shutdown minicom first. |
| 00:36.56 | ZOP | nothing else should have the modem devices open. |
| 00:37.06 | ZOP | you could also try the minicom hangup functiopn |
| 00:37.06 | greeg | on the fly means disk to disk. right ? |
| 00:37.11 | ZOP | i think its CTRL+A H |
| 00:37.20 | ZOP | greeg: yeah i think so in k3b. |
| 00:37.45 | ZOP | greeg: also, most commercial DVD videos have copy protection on them, some of which will cause that sort of error. |
| 00:38.09 | greeg | on the fly is greyed out |
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| 00:38.28 | ZOP | well there ya go then, probably running out of space in /tmp or somewhere. :) |
| 00:38.44 | ZOP | as to why it can't d2d/on the fly, sorry, i don't know :/ |
| 00:38.45 | greeg | what is tmp needed for when using on the fly ? |
| 00:38.56 | greeg | god damn linux shit |
| 00:38.57 | eraldo | ZOP: it's still on |
| 00:39.00 | ZOP | well if it's greyed out it means you're not using on the fly |
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| 00:39.12 | ZOP | eraldo: after an unplug/replug?? |
| 00:39.18 | greeg | of course. on the fly is greyed out. it wont let me check box it |
| 00:39.29 | ZOP | greeg: then you're not using on the fly. |
| 00:39.31 | greeg | i wish nero was available for linux |
| 00:39.43 | greeg | thats my question. how to i un grey it out. |
| 00:39.45 | htmlol | does anybody know of any popular external hard drives that work very well with debian? |
| 00:40.03 | htmlol | or, how well external hard drives usually work with debian? |
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| 00:40.22 | htmlol | I'm looking to buy one but I've never done it before, and I'd hate to get one only to find out it doesn |
| 00:40.29 | htmlol | ..'t work |
| 00:41.06 | eraldo | ZOP: after replug its green again |
| 00:41.15 | ZOP | htmlol: as long as it's USB2 and your motherboard supports USB2 you should be fine. |
| 00:41.17 | greeg | how do i make k3b burn on the fly? |
| 00:41.35 | ZOP | htmlol: firewire, same deal, the storage layers are all 'common' or 'generic' |
| 00:41.39 | greeg | why would these FSF guys bother including that check box widget if they're just going to grey it out anyway? |
| 00:42.35 | ZOP | greeg: hmm what make+model are your drives? |
| 00:42.48 | greeg | oh sorry, i had the same drive for src and dst. |
| 00:42.54 | ZOP | greeg: LOL |
| 00:42.55 | greeg | i thought linux would be smart enuff to catch that. |
| 00:43.01 | ZOP | greeg: it is! |
| 00:43.06 | r3c4ll | hello, fist excuse my bad english. somebody could tell me what version of airoscript i can download for my debian etch that work? my wireless card is Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) the driver is already installed and it works (i already conected to a wireless network), my kernel is 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 00:43.06 | ZOP | greeg: by not letting you on the fly ;) |
| 00:43.09 | greeg | why wasn't that the default ? |
| 00:43.29 | eraldo | ZOP: the init3 line looks like this: "Init3 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 +CGDCONT=1,"IP","web.yesss.at" +CPIN=1234" where 1234 is a dummy number |
| 00:43.41 | ZOP | eraldo: ok, i'd try putting that AT+CPIN=.... in Init4 |
| 00:43.46 | ZOP | so create a new line right after Init3 |
| 00:43.55 | ZOP | and make it AT+CPIN=1234 |
| 00:43.57 | ZOP | K? |
| 00:43.57 | htmlol | ZOP: really? wow. |
| 00:44.23 | htmlol | so they all work!? o.O |
| 00:44.28 | greeg | FUCK"N LINUX SHIT!!!!!!! it's now asking me to insert a black dvd when they're obviously blank. |
| 00:44.37 | greeg | they're straight off the spindle |
| 00:45.15 | ZOP | greeg: calm, it can take some drives a while to signal that they have a blank disc....and i've seen where if you start out with a blank disc already in it won't notice it until you eject/reinsert while k3b is still waiting. |
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| 00:46.39 | htmlol | at least you have to give him props for not going the easy way out and using caps lock, but holding down shift. bravo, I say. |
| 00:46.43 | eraldo | ZOP: same error |
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| 00:47.25 | eraldo | ZOP: getting a new error too |
| 00:47.37 | ZOP | eraldo: i'm out of ideas because it should be working since we're sending along a PIN now. |
| 00:47.38 | eraldo | ZOP: "--> Bad init string." |
| 00:47.41 | greeg | i guess you get what you pay for. |
| 00:47.42 | ZOP | eraldo: oh? thats important |
| 00:47.49 | ZOP | eraldo: uhm hm. |
| 00:47.50 | greeg | put back the windows xp cd back in |
| 00:48.26 | ZOP | eraldo: that makes it sound like you've got some formatting error in that Init4 line you just made |
| 00:49.08 | eraldo | ZOP: deleted the init4 still the same error (bad string) |
| 00:49.21 | ZOP | uhhhmmmmmm |
| 00:49.27 | eraldo | ZOP: I'll post it for review |
| 00:49.31 | ZOP | ok |
| 00:50.20 | neonlightning | greeg, windos has its quirks too its just with linux those quirks are more likely to be able to solved |
| 00:50.37 | neonlightning | greeg, are you sure its set to use the right drive? |
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| 00:51.25 | eraldo | ZOP: debian.pastebin.com/d48267335 |
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| 00:52.40 | greeg | what do you mean the right drive. i only have 2. |
| 00:52.46 | ZOP | eraldo: oh heck yanno...lets fire up minicom and try that AT+FCLASS=0 command by itself? |
| 00:53.06 | greeg | i have to take these DVDs back to block buster. if i make an image, to /home will they be burnable later? |
| 00:53.09 | neonlightning | greeg, sometimes expecially with k3b i find it needs to be pointed to the right /dev/ point |
| 00:53.45 | greeg | they recognized the drives on the GUI by their manufactures |
| 00:53.58 | eraldo | ZOP: ther whole line ? |
| 00:54.04 | ZOP | eraldo: sorry this is a bit of trial and error, it's beena while since i used wv+ppp, and i've never used any of that with a GSM modem, so i'm doing a bit of sleuthing to try to figure it out. |
| 00:54.12 | ZOP | eraldo: Yeah lets start with the whole line |
| 00:54.16 | neonlightning | greeg, i really don't have much experience backing up stuff aside from ps1 games |
| 00:54.31 | norbert_ | hi all, I'm stuck trying to run Gnome's alacarte, I've talked about it with someone in #gnome ( see http://paste.debian.net/15258/ ), but we both came to the conclusion I'll probably need some expert Debian help here... anyone? :) |
| 00:54.38 | greeg | if linux can't point to the correct drives under /dev then thats BAD. windows never lets the end user fiddle with that crap... not for a cd burner |
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| 00:54.52 | eraldo | starting from ATQ0 ? |
| 00:55.11 | ZOP | eraldo: yup |
| 00:55.28 | neonlightning | greeg, thats the key it doesn't let you touch it but i have seen it need to be adjusted but yet again it also depends on the program(well with linux its usually more the backend program) |
| 00:55.30 | ZOP | ATQQ V1 E1 S0=0 ....... to the end there. |
| 00:55.35 | ZOP | err ATQ0 hah. |
| 00:56.29 | neonlightning | in windows i've had nero not work but cdburnerxp work fine in linux i like to use brasero because sometimes k3b doesn't like me(and i don't like kde) |
| 00:58.26 | eraldo | ZOP: gives: "+CME ERROR: SIM PIN required" |
| 00:58.32 | ZOP | AHA! |
| 00:58.39 | ZOP | OK lets try this |
| 00:59.05 | ZOP | int eh config file, try changing init3 to init4, then put that at+cpin stuff as init3 |
| 00:59.28 | ZOP | i bet that +CGDCONT stuff requires the SIM be unlocked |
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| 01:00.07 | ZOP | eraldo: failing that you MIGHT find some help here at this site -> http://www.pharscape.org/content/blogsection/4/53/ ... because if this doesn't work i really am totally out of ideas. |
| 01:00.15 | ZOP | eraldo: i also have to be going here shortly. |
| 01:01.00 | ZOP | eraldo: we definitely got the "basics" working, and assuming wvdial should work, if it can get the right init sequence. |
| 01:01.37 | eraldo | ZOP: "AT+CPIN=bla" "+CME ERROR: operation not allowed" "--> Bad init string." |
| 01:01.59 | ZOP | what the. |
| 01:02.19 | ZOP | maybe the AT+CPIN? inquiry is required. |
| 01:02.40 | ZOP | renumber em again, add at+cpin? ahead of the at+cpin=... |
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| 01:02.45 | norbert_ | anyone? |
| 01:03.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | me, me! |
| 01:03.17 | ZOP | so you'll have like an init2 atz, init3 at+cpin? init4 at+cpin=1234 init5 atq0v0....... |
| 01:03.57 | ZOP | norbert_: sorry i have little to no experience with linux gui stuff. |
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| 01:04.53 | eraldo | ZOP: lol... |
| 01:04.57 | ZOP | eraldo: if that doesn't work .... i really have no idea whats going on to cause it to say that, as you saw in minicom, you were able to +CPIN the modem, and eve get it to start up a connect attempt. |
| 01:05.01 | eraldo | ZOP: getting error "ERROR" |
| 01:05.10 | ZOP | eraldo: well....thats something? LOL |
| 01:05.34 | eraldo | ZOP: how did we get it to work with minicom again ? |
| 01:05.38 | eraldo | manual I mean |
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| 01:05.58 | ZOP | just AT+CPIN?<enter>OK<newline>AT+CPIN=yourpin |
| 01:06.06 | ZOP | then it came back with an ok response |
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| 01:06.09 | eraldo | I could also enter the complete ppp chat scripts I found on the german site |
| 01:06.24 | eraldo | ZOP: strange |
| 01:07.05 | ZOP | yeah but wvdial doesn't use chatscript/expect, but you can resetup using the ppp method there and try that. |
| 01:07.07 | ZOP | it may work better |
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| 01:07.34 | ZOP | atleast you've got a direction to go now eh? heh :/ |
| 01:07.50 | ZOP | sorry i couldn't get it working for you....but....you're atleast at a trial and error stage. |
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| 01:07.55 | norbert_ | *sigh* :| |
| 01:08.11 | bp0 | i replaced my nic and the new one is now eth1. how do i make it eth0 again? |
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| 01:08.24 | eraldo | ZOP: no problem ...I did appreciate you work ! |
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| 01:08.33 | ZOP | /etc/udev/persistent-net-rules |
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| 01:08.47 | eraldo | ZOP: have a nice day! got to go to bed it's 3:09 here is austria |
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| 01:09.15 | ZOP | bp0: err well thats close its uhm /etc/udev/rules.d/z20_persistent-net.rules sorry |
| 01:09.19 | eraldo | ZOP: is there a way to redo the defaults ? |
| 01:09.29 | eraldo | ZOP: so I can start from 0 again ? |
| 01:09.33 | ZOP | eraldo: dpkg -P wvdial |
| 01:09.37 | ZOP | eraldo: apt-get install wvdial |
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| 01:09.43 | ZOP | the -P will nuke all configs |
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| 01:09.52 | ZOP | then the install will rextract em |
| 01:10.09 | eraldo | ZOP: nice... *wave* |
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| 01:10.31 | eraldo | ZOP: hold on |
| 01:10.45 | eraldo | ZOP: I did get the error again.. but it swiched to blue mode |
| 01:10.48 | bp0 | ZOP: excellent |
| 01:10.52 | eraldo | ZOP: don't ask me why |
| 01:10.59 | ZOP | bp0: ran into that one myself recently |
| 01:11.09 | bp0 | do I have to restart or will killing something be faster? |
| 01:11.12 | ZOP | eraldo: ? LOL hm well.... |
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| 01:12.09 | ZOP | bp0: uhm.... you could ifdown, rmmod, insmod, ifup maybe? i always just rebooted after that. |
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| 01:12.20 | ZOP | well insmod or modprobe |
| 01:12.21 | bp0 | alright |
| 01:12.22 | bp0 | thanks |
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| 01:18.13 | bp0 | ZOP: thanks again |
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| 01:21.42 | StatusQuote | I'm having a problem with openoffice.org in debian etch (been to #openoffice.org, no replies; googled, no results). I'm doing some homework in Writer, questions are numbered, but I'm not assigned all question numbers. How do I skip over a number in numbering format? |
| 01:22.13 | jrockway | heh, that really has nothing to do with debian :) |
| 01:22.21 | jrockway | but does anything interesting happen if you right-click the number? |
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| 01:22.39 | yareckon | our support is legendary -- for all software packages :) |
| 01:23.25 | StatusQuote | it makes the same options available as on the menu, resetting numbers can be done but not skipping one (that I saw) |
| 01:23.29 | tvynr | Quick summary: no sound in Lenny after upgrade. lspci shows "Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller", alsaconf sees it, and aplay -l lists the device. But nothing I do (even cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp as root) will make noise. Any ideas? |
| 01:23.43 | ZOP | StatusQuote: theres a right click props place, but what i usually do is backspace and start a new list (half or 3/4s lurk mode here) |
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| 01:25.26 | StatusQuote | ZOP, ok, I tried that, but when I backspace and make a new list, then try to change the number it starts at, it changes the old list too! |
| 01:25.32 | ZOP | StatusQuote: i know you can like restart numbering with the toolbar or with an option. |
| 01:25.38 | ZOP | oh just enter a number and a seperator |
| 01:25.40 | ZOP | it figures it out |
| 01:25.44 | ZOP | eg |
| 01:25.47 | ZOP | 1. one |
| 01:25.48 | ZOP | 2. two |
| 01:25.52 | ZOP | <back back> |
| 01:25.54 | ZOP | 3. three |
| 01:26.12 | ZOP | or 5. five |
| 01:26.13 | ZOP | etc |
| 01:26.36 | tvynr | This box was playing sound just fine earlier. :-/ |
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| 01:26.51 | ZOP | although it might make the first line part of the last number entered |
| 01:26.53 | ZOP | there was a quirk |
| 01:26.56 | ZOP | but it mostly works. |
| 01:27.04 | ZOP | and i'm out. |
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| 01:28.03 | StatusQuote | that isn't working, even when I push <back back> it still links the two formats together for some reason |
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| 01:28.44 | magyar | hi, how do i tell exim to accept mail for domain.com ? |
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| 01:29.50 | curtmack | Okay, hda is my current hard drive, hdb is a larger hard drive. I already partitioned hdb using the Debian install disc. Now I want to put all of the files currently on hda onto hdb. What's the best way to do that? |
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| 01:32.52 | andax | curtmack, copy the files? :) |
| 01:33.51 | curtmack | well, hda is mounted on /, and hdb is mounted on /usb (for reasons which are too complicated to explain, but which mostly involve laziness) |
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| 01:34.29 | curtmack | so what would happen if I said "copy -r -t /usb /*"? |
| 01:34.38 | curtmack | would it try to copy /usb to /usb and implode? |
| 01:34.46 | curtmack | or would it be smart enough to not do that? |
| 01:34.56 | ZOP | curtmack: do you want to make the "/usb" drive your boot drive is that what you're saying? |
| 01:35.08 | ZOP | well boot/root. |
| 01:35.14 | curtmack | ZOP: I want to transfer my system to hdb |
| 01:35.21 | curtmack | if that's what you mean, then yes |
| 01:35.35 | ZOP | ok that involves a bit more than just copying everything ;) |
| 01:35.43 | ZOP | cp will clobber permissions and ownerships |
| 01:35.45 | ZOP | by default |
| 01:35.58 | curtmack | Well, it's already partitioned, so that's one less step |
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| 01:36.25 | curtmack | hdb1 is the main partition, hdb5 is swap. |
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| 01:37.05 | curtmack | I keep thinking this is what the dd command is for, but I don't know exactly how to use dd, and I know I'd probably break something with it |
| 01:37.07 | ZOP | you might try clonezilla, partimage, or mondo rescue. |
| 01:37.10 | ZOP | no |
| 01:37.15 | ZOP | dd just does byte for byte |
| 01:37.20 | curtmack | ah, k |
| 01:37.24 | ZOP | dd isn't useful for much for the average user really. |
| 01:37.42 | curtmack | the problem is this is not the actual computer I'm on. The computer in question has no internet access. |
| 01:37.58 | ZOP | uhm wow hah ok. |
| 01:38.04 | ZOP | well. you can use cp with like -a |
| 01:38.16 | ZOP | there's an option to keep it from following outside of the partition you're cp-ing |
| 01:38.19 | ZOP | then once it's copied |
| 01:38.25 | ZOP | you need to install grub onto the mbr again |
| 01:38.38 | ZOP | because you'll ahve disturbed it's stage1_5 loader generally when you cp |
| 01:38.48 | ZOP | that can usually be done by doing |
| 01:39.02 | StatusQuote | somebody on #openoffice.org finally answered my question, thanks everyone |
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| 01:39.18 | ZOP | mount -t proc none /usb/proc ; chroot /usb (then from the chroot env) grub-install /dev/hdb |
| 01:39.50 | curtmack | okay, thanks a lot |
| 01:39.54 | ZOP | cp -ax / |
| 01:40.03 | ZOP | (archive, one filesystem) |
| 01:40.07 | ZOP | so cp -ax / /usb |
| 01:40.11 | curtmack | okay, thanks a lot |
| 01:40.12 | ZOP | that keeps it from copying say /dev |
| 01:40.13 | ZOP | and /proc |
| 01:40.34 | ZOP | you might want to make sure you have a knoppix disc around once you switch hdb for hda |
| 01:40.41 | ZOP | because that grub-install step |
| 01:40.43 | ZOP | dun always wark. |
| 01:40.54 | curtmack | I have a knoppix disc ironically |
| 01:40.58 | ZOP | when the destination drive isn't where it's going to be. |
| 01:41.10 | ZOP | so you may have to 'redo' that step but from a knoppix prompt |
| 01:41.16 | ZOP | substituting the corrected path for /usb |
| 01:41.21 | curtmack | right |
| 01:41.22 | curtmack | thanks again |
| 01:41.27 | ZOP | yup. gl. |
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| 02:01.17 | quentusrex | I have a rom file for my bios update. How do I update the bios? |
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| 02:01.43 | quentusrex | Anyone? |
| 02:01.58 | quentusrex | It's an Asus RS100-E4/PI2 server |
| 02:02.06 | neonlightning | quasisane, honestly going to bootdisk.com and grabbing the flasher disk is your best bet for flashing a bios |
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| 02:08.12 | anallfabehd_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/2545731/ |
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| 02:42.02 | devicenull | I'm looking for a package that populates /usr/lib/locale |
| 02:42.20 | devicenull | or how I should be generating them |
| 02:43.11 | devicenull | it's not locales-all |
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| 02:48.17 | ikonok | hello everyone, I have a macbook, and I wonder if anyone is using a macbook with linux debian? |
| 02:48.34 | ikonok | i really want to try it but what do i expect? i mean, what is working what is not |
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| 02:49.06 | dread | try debian out in a virtual machine, or a live cd |
| 02:49.18 | SexyKen | Hey all - my Network Engineer is telling me that one of my servers is sending out millions of "SPOOFED" packets per 30 seconds and I dont notice anything odd with the server. |
| 02:49.22 | SexyKen | Can someone tell me what to look for? |
| 02:49.49 | ikonok | well. i try it, and audio not working. internet not working.. and some some icons.. brightness not working |
| 02:50.00 | ikonok | so i guess i need to install it first? or this is the way it will look? |
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| 02:50.58 | dread | the live cd looked like that? or in a vm? |
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| 02:56.14 | sarthor | Hi, i am installing debain from CD 1 now on my laptop dell inspiron 1525, but its not detecting my netwrok cards. and idont know what network card to select manually.. what to do now. i need help please. |
| 02:56.47 | sarthor | Hi, i am installing debain from CD 1 now on my laptop dell inspiron 1525, but its not detecting my netwrok cards. and idont know what network card to select manually.. what to do now. i need help please. |
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| 02:58.02 | sarthor | Is it not the help chan?? |
| 02:58.27 | peterrooney | sarthor: a) find out what kind of card it really is first. |
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| 02:58.43 | kd8ikt | i heard its a broadcom |
| 02:58.47 | kd8ikt | b43 |
| 02:58.53 | opensrcguru | SexyKen: fire up your favorite packet sniffer on the interface in question. |
| 02:58.56 | sarthor | peterrooney, on ubuntu, i saw b4, its was marvel somthing. |
| 02:59.30 | opensrcguru | SexyKen: you should be able to see right away what is (or isn't) traversing the interface. |
| 02:59.53 | peterrooney | sarthor: b) you may have to run modprobe to manually load the driver for it |
| 02:59.54 | sarthor | i am in Detect network Hardware now. but i dont know what to select. . . . |
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| 03:00.21 | kd8ikt | open up a console and try lspci or somesuch |
| 03:00.22 | R_YoYo_R | does anyone know how to install the compiz settings manager in etch? |
| 03:00.23 | Quag7 | I am trying to set up a system whereby users can choose different SMTP servers to send e-mail via. One I want to use is gmail. I've been googling for this and there are some tips for doing this with exim but it seems to set a single SMTP server for the whole system. Users will be running mutt - what is the suggested software combination I can use so users can configure what smtp server they are using manually? |
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| 03:00.56 | sarthor | peterrooney, i installed ubuntu b4, and that detect easily, but problem with Debian, |
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| 03:01.38 | peterrooney | sarthor: lspci | grep Ethernet |
| 03:01.39 | sarthor | the #debian chan told me to install Debain, but now i am stuck here. |
| 03:01.47 | tnks | I'm looking through the Policy. Do Debian package filenames need to adhere to a naming convention for any technical reason? Or is the filename not all that pertenant (meta-info all that matters)? |
| 03:01.52 | sarthor | peterrooney.. the os is not installed dear friend. |
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| 03:02.29 | kd8ikt | CTRL+F# |
| 03:02.31 | peterrooney | sarthor: yes, but lspci may still be available - switch to the shell on Ctrl-Alt-F2 |
| 03:02.34 | kd8ikt | open a console |
| 03:03.08 | yobert | the liveCD should have lspci on it |
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| 03:03.35 | kd8ikt | i dont think he knows how to switch tty |
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| 03:03.50 | sarthor | Marvell Technology Group ltd. unknown device 4354 Rev 12 |
| 03:04.00 | sarthor | peterrooney, Marvell Technology Group ltd. unknown device 4354 Rev 12 |
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| 03:04.34 | kd8ikt | thats a wired card i believe i have the same thing |
| 03:04.42 | kd8ikt | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8039 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 15) |
| 03:04.55 | yobert | i have that same card |
| 03:05.02 | sarthor | marvell name is not in the list of "detect network hardware" |
| 03:05.07 | kd8ikt | sky2 kernel module |
| 03:05.23 | peterrooney | yobert: what module does it use? the RTL 8039? |
| 03:05.39 | nonfatmatt | sky2, but only in 2.6.24 and above |
| 03:05.40 | yobert | i build it in i dunno |
| 03:05.44 | pickcoder | has anyone installed libapache2-mod-cband before and configured it? |
| 03:05.51 | nonfatmatt | or maybe .3 |
| 03:05.55 | nonfatmatt | er .23 |
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| 03:06.04 | pickcoder | doesn't need help setting it up. just want to get some additional confirmation |
| 03:06.15 | kd8ikt | i need to compile snort for inline fun |
| 03:06.40 | kd8ikt | :P cant bellieve no apt on anysystem has it |
| 03:06.48 | w3rd_ | does anyone know of a good article on how to mass mail? |
| 03:06.53 | sarthor | peterrooney, i selected sky2, not working. |
| 03:07.05 | pickcoder | w3rd_: no |
| 03:07.14 | pickcoder | w3rd_: but you can install a mailing list manager |
| 03:07.23 | kd8ikt | whats so hard about having a seperate lib just for it, doesnt mean you have to compile everything against its needed low ver lib |
| 03:07.47 | w3rd_ | what is a mailing list manager? |
| 03:07.52 | yobert | sarefo2: on the console, if go "ifconfig" does it show a device for your card? |
| 03:07.54 | w3rd_ | something like mailman? |
| 03:08.00 | pickcoder | w3rd_: quite possibly |
| 03:08.14 | yobert | w3rd_: just go sendmail (900 names) ... ;-) |
| 03:08.23 | w3rd_ | but doesnt that send an email that is accessible via the web and not an email? |
| 03:08.37 | w3rd_ | well... how do i use sendmail, as an smtp server? |
| 03:08.41 | peterrooney | sarthor: try sk98lin, then ( google: marvell 88E8039 modprobe OR module ) |
| 03:08.41 | pickcoder | w3rd_: it's an e-mail list manager |
| 03:09.15 | pickcoder | w3rd_: it _is_ an MTA (STMP server and client) |
| 03:09.20 | w3rd_ | so then if its an email list manager, it manages the list and then sends an email to the individuals inbox,... |
| 03:09.20 | pickcoder | so is postfix and exim |
| 03:09.25 | w3rd_ | i see |
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| 03:09.29 | opensrcguru | w3rd_: on a very simple lever, /etc/aliases (or its equivelant) can be used as a mass mailer ;) |
| 03:09.41 | w3rd_ | so then i have that config via my host... |
| 03:09.43 | pickcoder | opensrcguru: please don't suggest that |
| 03:09.50 | w3rd_ | hah |
| 03:10.21 | w3rd_ | well if i use mail man, i guess im good cause i already have the list ported... i just need to figure out how to mail them out.... little new to the app? |
| 03:10.42 | opensrcguru | w3rd_: is this for good or evil? |
| 03:10.49 | w3rd_ | its for good |
| 03:10.51 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 03:10.57 | pickcoder | of COURSE it is |
| 03:10.58 | opensrcguru | expects a truthful answer |
| 03:10.58 | w3rd_ | i have a community of users that im trying to email |
| 03:11.01 | w3rd_ | seriously |
| 03:11.15 | w3rd_ | spamming on US servers is r - tarded at this point |
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| 03:11.31 | sarthor | peterrooney, nothing like "sk98lin" in the list of Detect network hardware |
| 03:11.41 | w3rd_ | it i were to do evil it would be on an overseas server that they cant extradite |
| 03:11.50 | w3rd_ | heh? |
| 03:11.51 | w3rd_ | idk |
| 03:12.15 | kd8ikt | i hate that i "have" to use denyhosts cause any/every service gets spammedwith rute force attempts |
| 03:12.47 | kd8ikt | nothin is sacred |
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| 03:13.09 | opensrcguru | w3rd_: nothing at all......hopefully the smtp protocol as a whole gets overhaules soon. |
| 03:13.25 | w3rd_ | er... |
| 03:13.30 | w3rd_ | what would be the alt? |
| 03:13.47 | kd8ikt | no email |
| 03:13.50 | w3rd_ | hah |
| 03:13.53 | peterrooney | sarthor: i'm out of ideas except for one very tedious process and one research question. (1) reinstall ubuntu, and run ``lsmod'' to find out what ubuntu's autodetection figured out. (2) more googling |
| 03:13.59 | opensrcguru | kd8ikt: i vote for no email. |
| 03:14.12 | pickcoder | the smtp protocol isn't the problem |
| 03:14.13 | yobert | lol.. great answer |
| 03:14.15 | pickcoder | it's the people using it |
| 03:14.29 | kd8ikt | nah i think email is kinda lame anyway |
| 03:14.34 | w3rd_ | wowo |
| 03:14.44 | pickcoder | kd8ikt: so is SMS |
| 03:14.48 | pickcoder | people still use it |
| 03:14.49 | kd8ikt | isnt it about time its depreciated |
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| 03:15.06 | sarthor | peterrooney, I was here for getting help about my Wlan, but the guys told me, that they dont help for ubunutu. .. they also told me to install debain, and come back for help. So now again install ubunut?? Strnage. |
| 03:15.12 | w3rd_ | couldnt you say that bout irc? |
| 03:15.22 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 03:15.27 | kd8ikt | chicken/egg |
| 03:15.30 | w3rd_ | right |
| 03:15.31 | w3rd_ | hah |
| 03:15.46 | pickcoder | and Usenet |
| 03:16.05 | w3rd_ | kuk |
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| 03:16.13 | w3rd_ | and and .... tv |
| 03:16.17 | w3rd_ | jk |
| 03:16.17 | peterrooney | sarthor: or ask yobert nicely |
| 03:16.17 | yobert | sarthor: just boot the ubuntu live cd.. go to a virtual console (ctrl+alt+f2) and do lsmod |
| 03:16.32 | pickcoder | Google Groups never would have existed without it yet when you ask the avg Joe about Usenet they just stare |
| 03:16.34 | simonrvn | deprecate email ....? |
| 03:16.35 | pickcoder | anyhoo |
| 03:16.44 | sarthor | ok. there is wlan also. BCM3412 i think.l broadcom.. |
| 03:16.50 | w3rd_ | its too bad |
| 03:16.56 | w3rd_ | usenet is shizit |
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| 03:17.03 | sarthor | yobert, Ok. i am rebooting in ubutnu.. i did not washed that.. let me boot.. |
| 03:17.07 | w3rd_ | in a good way;) |
| 03:17.08 | simonrvn | rolls his eyes, sighs, and wanders away |
| 03:17.10 | yobert | sarthor: after you get it installed and up to date, the latest kernel should support the broadcom card natively |
| 03:17.17 | ttuttle | Hey. I'm setting up xinetd, and I'm trying to point it at Bitlbee running on port 6667. I've got "service bitlbee { socket_type = stream protocol = tcp port = 6667 wait = no user = bitlbee server = /usr/sbin/tcpd server_args = /usr/sbin/bitlbee }, and it's saying "08/8/20@23:17:13: ERROR: 6504 {check_entry} service/protocol combination not in /etc/services: bitlbee/tcp". |
| 03:17.33 | pickcoder | simonrvn: it could be worse.. ticker tape and punch cards could still be in fad |
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| 03:18.06 | w3rd_ | OMG, outtie 5k, coke in hand |
| 03:18.16 | sarthor | yobert, you means that, i cant skip this step, and continue installation?? is it possible?? |
| 03:18.54 | kd8ikt | teletype |
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| 03:19.26 | simonrvn | pickcoder: well, email is still useful, and punch cards aren't. their data density per package is very low, so i'm not surprised it's "gone out of style" ;) |
| 03:19.30 | pickcoder | so anyway.. I just noticed that the libapache-mod-cband enables the status pages without any restrictions |
| 03:19.32 | opensrcguru | kd8ikt: thats what im talkin 'bout. |
| 03:19.38 | sarthor | yobert, its Marvel technology group ltd, 99E8040 pci-e Fast Ethernet controller (rev 12) |
| 03:19.57 | sarthor | sorry... 88E8040 |
| 03:20.11 | sarthor | yobert, sorry... 88E8040 |
| 03:20.18 | kd8ikt | this just in ... dit dit dit dit |
| 03:20.22 | yobert | sarthor: do "lsmod".. lspci lists pci devices, which is good to figure out which card, but lsmod actually shows the kernel modules by name that are currenty running |
| 03:20.24 | opensrcguru | i tell yall what, i never heard of penis enlargment pills solicitations via punch cards..... |
| 03:20.35 | yobert | sarthor: that way we can see which module to load in debian |
| 03:21.11 | sarthor | i did lsmode. its a lot of list? should i show this all?? |
| 03:21.12 | yobert | sarthor: lsmod will likely show a bazillion things.. look for one that sounds .. networky !? |
| 03:21.53 | yobert | sarthor: you could email it to me ? |
| 03:21.57 | yobert | sarthor: yobert@gmail.com |
| 03:22.18 | simonrvn | pickcoder: yeh, kinda dumb.... set up some deny,allow rules |
| 03:22.36 | pickcoder | simonrvn: I was going to find the maintainer on people.deb but no matches |
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| 03:22.43 | sarthor | yobert, http://pastebin.com/m22817d8f |
| 03:22.57 | pickcoder | at least it should be allow 127.0.0.1 / deny all in the Location tags |
| 03:23.15 | simonrvn | likely to be a rather simple patch. in the meantime just set up some <Location> rules ;) |
| 03:23.23 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 03:24.15 | sarthor | yobert, can i boot ma laptop now back to debian?? |
| 03:24.20 | sarthor | installation? |
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| 03:24.49 | yobert | sarthor: sure, i'll find the module |
| 03:24.55 | sarthor | Ok. |
| 03:25.15 | kd8ikt | ah ha! sky2 and b44 |
| 03:25.36 | kd8ikt | i'll put money those are the wired/wifi |
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| 03:26.43 | preston | my screensaver works but power managment doesn't seem to kick in even though i have it set to come on |
| 03:27.08 | preston | is there something maybe i have to install or am i missing something? |
| 03:27.57 | kd8ikt | sarthor: maybe you should just stick with ubuntu |
| 03:28.04 | yobert | pffft |
| 03:28.09 | yobert | ubuntu pubuntu |
| 03:28.12 | yobert | yeah it's sky2 for sure |
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| 03:28.30 | yobert | so in your debian install from the console go "modprobe sky2" |
| 03:28.49 | yobert | then your networking should just work. you may have to go dhclient eth0 or somesuch |
| 03:28.57 | sarthor | yobert, i selected sky2, but that didnt worked. |
| 03:29.12 | yobert | sarthor: is it selected now? what shows in ifconfig |
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| 03:30.53 | kd8ikt | which cd are you booting? |
| 03:30.58 | sarthor | in ifconfig it says somthing like..... eth0 .. link encap: unspect.. hardware 38-4f-c0-............like this... |
| 03:31.24 | sarthor | CD1 of newly downloaded |
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| 03:31.38 | kd8ikt | stable/testing/unstable |
| 03:31.46 | kd8ikt | etch/lenny/sid |
| 03:31.48 | sarthor | stable |
| 03:32.07 | kd8ikt | but eth0 appears right? |
| 03:32.17 | kd8ikt | does dhclient pull an ip? |
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| 03:32.37 | sarthor | kd8ikt, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r4a-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent this cd |
| 03:32.53 | sarthor | let me plug the cable.. i will get DC. |
| 03:33.08 | yobert | sarthor: you should be working then. dhclient eth0 |
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| 03:34.25 | kd8ikt | shouldve grabbed a netinstall disk isnt that one disk in like a line of 10 |
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| 03:35.14 | yobert | he should be ok if he doesn't check any of those boxes.. waits until base is installed |
| 03:35.18 | kd8ikt | but hey dont take my word for anything i havent touched debian since sarge and i just now put it on mylaptop/server |
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| 03:35.50 | kd8ikt | kinda regretting removeing gentoo on my server for debian but lets see if it pans out |
| 03:36.10 | yobert | dude, switching to debian from gentoo was like the greatest experience of my life lol |
| 03:36.15 | preston | anyone have any ideas about power manager and whether display to sleep works?? |
| 03:36.24 | Corwin | gentoo is cool but debian is probably better for a server |
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| 03:36.33 | kd8ikt | yeah but to get snort inline i'm gonna have to jump through a bunch of hoops |
| 03:36.48 | yobert | oh yeah, i dunno.. i've only used snort with BSD |
| 03:36.55 | kd8ikt | and grsecurity cause thats just how i roll |
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| 03:37.50 | yobert | lol |
| 03:38.06 | sarthor_ | yobert, its not getting ip. |
| 03:38.10 | yobert | hmmm |
| 03:39.03 | sarthor_ | should i install with out configuring network?? will it allow me to install? is there chance to get the driver for lan after isntallation?? |
| 03:39.04 | yobert | well, if the device is there, there isn't really anything else in the kernel to do as far as i know. if that happened to me i would think my cable was bad first off. except your'e using that cable now huh |
| 03:39.28 | yobert | you could try manual configuration. "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.10 netmask 255.255.255.0" or somesuch |
| 03:39.33 | yobert | then see if you can ping your router/dhcp server |
| 03:39.57 | yobert | if you configure the network yourself you should be able to just skip that in the installer |
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| 03:40.15 | sarthor_ | i did manually.. ifconfig 192.168.0.12 and then ping 192.168.0.100, ma router. but that said. there is no ping. |
| 03:40.43 | yobert | hmmm |
| 03:40.47 | sarthor_ | sorry.. ifconfig eth0 192.zz.zz.zz. |
| 03:40.54 | kd8ikt | cat hasnt been chewing the cables has it? |
| 03:41.16 | sarthor_ | let me check the cable again... but the cable is working on this pc... |
| 03:41.21 | sarthor_ | let me confirm it again. |
| 03:41.22 | sarthor_ | brb. |
| 03:41.22 | yobert | maybe its not snug ? |
| 03:41.38 | yobert | i can't imagine the kernel module in ubuntu working and not in debian |
| 03:41.44 | kd8ikt | cause my cat is worse than mynoks, all my cables have scores of shrink tube patches |
| 03:42.08 | yobert | LOL |
| 03:42.16 | yobert | mine shocked herself and hasn't chewed since =p |
| 03:42.28 | kd8ikt | contrary to popular belief they are different |
| 03:42.30 | yobert | a nice dose of power over ethernet |
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| 03:42.52 | sarthor__ | back. .its says ping not found. |
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| 03:43.00 | yobert | k here's what i'd check next |
| 03:43.09 | greeg | hi |
| 03:43.24 | yobert | go "dmesg | tail" and see if it says stuff about eth0 being "link up" or somethin |
| 03:43.32 | yobert | actually do "dmesg | grep eth0" |
| 03:44.21 | greeg | i want to copy my dvd. im out of dvd-r's at the moment. saving a dvd image as an iso, i can come back later and burn it to disk. correct? |
| 03:44.39 | sarthor__ | dmeeth1394 eth0: EEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet (fw-host0) |
| 03:44.45 | greeg | i have to return these to bockbuster. |
| 03:44.56 | sarthor__ | eth1394 eth0: EEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet (fw-host0) |
| 03:45.06 | yobert | greeg: yeah sure |
| 03:45.42 | greeg | yobert: are you sure? this linux shit failed twice and and im out of black dvd's. |
| 03:45.57 | greeg | 's/blockbuster/porn galery/' |
| 03:46.15 | yobert | greeg: i've done it lots |
| 03:46.19 | greeg | ok |
| 03:46.21 | greeg | thanx |
| 03:46.24 | yobert | greeg: i rip them and then play with mplayer off the image |
| 03:46.30 | yobert | greeg: k3b can burn them again |
| 03:46.31 | greeg | sweet |
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| 03:46.35 | yobert | greeg: wait though, i just realized |
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| 03:46.39 | greeg | i didnt know mplayer can play images |
| 03:46.54 | yobert | greeg: some DVD's are bigger than the 4 gig ones you can burn to |
| 03:46.55 | kd8ikt | goes to #debian-offtopic cause thats where the fun is |
| 03:47.07 | yobert | greeg: so make sure the size is ? size enough ? |
| 03:47.30 | ZOP | yeah most of your linux stuff can play images directly. and if not there's usually mount -o loop /some/file /mnt/somewhere |
| 03:47.36 | ZOP | VLC, mplayer, others. |
| 03:47.41 | yobert | mplayer can play .rar parts of a dvd image =[p |
| 03:48.00 | ZOP | yobert: now that's an interesting trick i didn't know about heh. cool. |
| 03:48.13 | yobert | sarthor__: umm it really does look like your link is down. which doesn't make sense because it works in ubuntu |
| 03:48.17 | sarthor__ | i never consider songs/movies/drama as data. and never consider porn/movie/songs worth helping |
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| 03:48.18 | sarthor__ | ;) |
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| 03:49.37 | yobert | sarthor__: umm sorry dude i'm at a loss. perhaps the kernel on that image is too old? try the latest testing net installer. the ISO is not very big to download |
| 03:49.39 | ZOP | ifconfig will generally tell you the link status. |
| 03:49.42 | ZOP | ifconfig -a |
| 03:49.48 | pickcoder | sarthor__: which kernel are you trying to do ieee1394 eth on? |
| 03:50.12 | sarthor__ | pickcoder, how to check?? i am new, Man |
| 03:50.23 | yobert | whoa |
| 03:50.25 | yobert | DUDE |
| 03:50.25 | sarthor__ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r4a-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent i am using this CD. |
| 03:50.26 | yobert | lol |
| 03:50.28 | yobert | it's eth1 |
| 03:50.30 | yobert | that's the prob |
| 03:50.37 | yobert | eth0 is some funky firewire shit |
| 03:50.42 | micols | anyone experienced dpti reset errors with adaptec scsi controllers? http://rafb.net/p/f8gRD951.html |
| 03:50.56 | yobert | dhclient eth1 i bet it will work |
| 03:51.16 | yobert | if it doesn't what does "dmesg | grep eth" say |
| 03:51.18 | sarthor__ | yobert, what next?? |
| 03:51.26 | micols | i tried various kernels, the problem persists in newest kernel, and i tried switching controllers and pci slots, its 2400A and 3210S adaptec , seems to happen only when read/write on ide controller |
| 03:51.30 | sarthor__ | its says same. |
| 03:51.36 | Agent_bob | ok i'm back "ouch" and i am not familear with debian's repository syntax, my sources.list has "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib" what is avalable to me beyond that ? or where can i learn about this ? |
| 03:51.39 | yobert | hmmm |
| 03:51.40 | sarthor__ | 100 % same. |
| 03:51.53 | yobert | ok that sucks. i'm lost |
| 03:52.07 | yobert | lol reboot to ubuntu and see what dmesg | grep eth says |
| 03:52.10 | sarthor__ | eth1 eth0 and eth says same. |
| 03:52.18 | sarthor__ | ok. |
| 03:52.23 | yobert | it shouldn't be saying that eee 1394 stuff |
| 03:52.35 | yobert | it should be mentioning your sky2 module or somesuch |
| 03:52.45 | pickcoder | firewire eth is supported in recent kernels |
| 03:53.03 | pickcoder | if it actually works is another thing |
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| 03:53.06 | yobert | Agent_bob: you can go non-free if you want unrar that works =[p |
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| 03:53.18 | sarthor__ | its asking for something like fireware. what to do what that. i pressed No there. |
| 03:53.23 | Agent_bob | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.33 | yobert | sarthor__: that's fine , you shouldn't need that |
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| 03:53.58 | yobert | Agent_bob: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
| 03:54.08 | Agent_bob | yobert sorry i'm missing something, i can't find irssi bitchx xchat or anything |
| 03:54.12 | Agent_bob | yobert k looking. |
| 03:54.20 | sarthor__ | yobert, wth eth1 there is sky2 mentioned. |
| 03:54.36 | Agent_bob | errr will look as soon as i can type that url into a web browser .... |
| 03:54.36 | sarthor__ | and with eth0 there is broadcom bcm4315 |
| 03:55.07 | sarthor__ | while eth1 is Wlan |
| 03:55.17 | sarthor__ | i tihnk. |
| 03:55.26 | yobert | the broadcom is your wlan methinks |
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| 03:55.34 | sarthor__ | eth1 is Wired ..s orry. |
| 03:55.36 | greeg | im confused as to how to open this up with mplayer. i ran --> sudo mount -o loop kumar.iso movie; and the movie directory has multiple files. how do i denote 1 movie to mplayer ? |
| 03:55.43 | sarthor__ | and eth0 is Wlan |
| 03:55.46 | pickcoder | the 43xx is wireless |
| 03:56.03 | yobert | greeg: i go mplayer -dvd-device=pr0n.iso dvd://1 |
| 03:56.08 | sarthor__ | yes. the driver was somthing like bcm43xx for waln |
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| 03:56.33 | sarthor__ | So whats next? Debian is not allowing me to install on my lapooootopoooo?? |
| 03:56.36 | greeg | yobert: where pr0n is kumar.iso in my case. right ? |
| 03:56.36 | greeg | ok |
| 03:56.50 | yobert | sarthor__: did you modprobe sky2 last time? or was that two reboots ago |
| 03:57.25 | yobert | greeg: lol ! yeah pretty much. really high rate of vag/minute |
| 03:57.56 | greeg | Unknown option on the command line: -dvd-device=kumar.iso |
| 03:57.57 | sarthor__ | youbert.. i think Yes.. coz last time i download some exe file with the help of some manuall.. and confiugred my driver.. and then made entry in the /etc/init.d/ to load some modules |
| 03:57.57 | greeg | Error parsing option on the command line: -dvd-device=kumar.iso |
| 03:58.09 | Agent_bob | yobert so i should add a "... debian stable main contrib" line ? |
| 03:58.16 | yobert | greeg: oh whoops no =.. sorry. -dvd-device lard.iso |
| 03:58.22 | greeg | ahh |
| 03:58.23 | sarthor__ | but thats for wlan only |
| 03:58.41 | yobert | Agent_bob: that's what i do.. mine looks like deb http://debian.mirror.frontiernet.net/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 03:58.57 | yobert | Agent_bob: xchat and that other program is in there.. not bitchx though, dont know anything about that |
| 03:59.10 | yobert | sky2 is for your wired |
| 03:59.20 | yobert | that's what does the marvel 8039 chipset |
| 03:59.35 | Agent_bob | yobert k thanks i'll see if i can cludge through this now. |
| 03:59.36 | sarthor__ | yobert, there is no modrobe for wired . |
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| 04:00.11 | greeg | yobert: thats sweet. it worked. is there a way to get the controls so i can skip scenes? i have kmplayer installed, but those options dont work on kmplayer |
| 04:00.27 | yobert | sarthor__: sorry k the whole thing typed out.. "modprobe sky2", then "dmesg | eth" and see if it got a link.. then "dhclient eth1", assuming it gave eth1 to the sky module |
| 04:00.54 | sarthor__ | in debain? |
| 04:00.58 | yobert | greeg: i dunno, i never use the gui. arrow keys and page up/dn skip various increments and "f" does fullscreen? is that enough |
| 04:01.09 | greeg | ahh it has hotkeys. |
| 04:01.13 | greeg | thanx i'll google around. |
| 04:01.19 | yobert | sarthor__: yeah. after booting, before it tries to do it's networking junkery |
| 04:01.33 | sarthor__ | ok. |
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| 04:03.38 | nonfatmatt | iceowl? seriously? i mean iceweasel was kind of funny... |
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| 04:04.27 | Agent_bob | so right now stable is etch ? |
| 04:04.49 | yobert | Agent_bob: yeah but soon it will be lenny real soon |
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| 04:05.40 | kd8ikt | i'm using testing so isnt that lenny? |
| 04:05.46 | sarthor | n progress |
| 04:06.45 | Agent_bob | yobert ok. but if my sources.list says stable and stable changes to lenny will that attempt to upgrade my system ? |
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| 04:08.07 | simonrvn | !debain |
| 04:08.07 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
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| 04:09.08 | yobert | yeah. so pick the name (lenny, etch) if you don't want it to upgrade like that |
| 04:09.16 | yobert | i always pick "testing" so it does upgrade me |
| 04:09.24 | yobert | but that's a bad idea for a server |
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| 04:10.56 | sarthor | So Debain failed or We failed to install the debain on my laptop. |
| 04:11.01 | sarthor | ? |
| 04:11.44 | yobert | umm i blame your network card!!! is it partially melted ? |
| 04:11.46 | yobert | =p |
| 04:11.53 | sarthor | come and install debain.. debian is 10 time better/secure/faster and user friendly... than ubuntu.. .. that guy was lier i thin. |
| 04:12.09 | yobert | well ubuntu has newer packages ? |
| 04:12.11 | yobert | i dunno |
| 04:12.32 | yobert | it SHOULD be working. |
| 04:12.43 | yobert | lots of people use that network card |
| 04:13.01 | simonrvn | !debain |
| 04:13.02 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 04:13.38 | kd8ikt | Debra-Ian |
| 04:13.46 | sarthor | my debain installation is in progress... without network card. |
| 04:13.53 | sarthor | let see what will happend. |
| 04:13.55 | akio | is there a way i can see all services and change them from starting up? im looking for something like chkconfig, wondering how to to it the debian way (non-graphical) |
| 04:14.03 | kd8ikt | howbout try usb networking |
| 04:14.05 | sarthor | i think it will work after full installation. |
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| 04:14.27 | mxmx | what is the correct numbes to creat a corntab every 6 hours?? |
| 04:14.38 | mxmx | *crontab |
| 04:14.39 | Agent_bob | sarthor obviously a liar... but you didn't really expect a 10x improvement did you ? |
| 04:14.43 | sarthor | mxmx, google it. |
| 04:14.45 | yobert | akio: debian has a script to enable/disable startup things.. update-rc.d --help |
| 04:14.48 | mxmx | thanks |
| 04:14.52 | akio | thanks |
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| 04:15.40 | sarthor | Agent_bob, : He Told , i thought why not to test. So now i am stuck here. but i cant leave it as it is. |
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| 04:15.47 | sarthor | i want to try it |
| 04:16.02 | yobert | sarthor: go ahead and install it like you have it and see if it works |
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| 04:16.07 | yobert | perhaps this is just a livecd issue |
| 04:16.22 | yobert | you might just need to reboot into your new kernel |
| 04:16.26 | sarthor | ok.. i also dont like defeat. installing. |
| 04:16.32 | yobert | NICE |
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| 04:16.58 | Taylor | hi |
| 04:17.01 | Taylor | :) |
| 04:17.04 | Agent_bob | mxmx maybe * */6 *.... |
| 04:17.26 | Taylor | O.o |
| 04:17.30 | Taylor | o.O |
| 04:17.33 | Taylor | 0.o |
| 04:17.49 | Taylor | ok |
| 04:17.53 | Taylor | mmmm |
| 04:17.56 | Taylor | anyone HERE? |
| 04:17.56 | sarthor | Taylor, What happend?? is it also some debain porblem?? |
| 04:18.06 | Taylor | idk! |
| 04:18.11 | Taylor | o.O |
| 04:18.16 | n-iCe | hi |
| 04:18.18 | Taylor | my eye hurts |
| 04:18.26 | Taylor | :( |
| 04:18.34 | sarthor | Taylor, Get chinies. |
| 04:18.40 | Taylor | whats that |
| 04:18.45 | sarthor | chinies eyes. |
| 04:18.47 | sardior | :( |
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| 04:19.12 | yobert | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.20 | yobert | hey sarthor i'm off for the night but if you're still stuck get on tomorrow =) |
| 04:20.41 | sarthor | yobert, Ok. no problem. |
| 04:20.47 | yobert | good luck |
| 04:20.50 | sarthor | yobert, thank bro. |
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| 04:20.53 | sarthor | good luck. |
| 04:21.34 | sarthor | . |
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| 04:24.41 | ouch | i can't believe that the default debian install has no irc client......... |
| 04:25.08 | epsilon | why should it have? |
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| 04:29.36 | kd8ikt | apt-get install irssi |
| 04:29.45 | kd8ikt | wow that was too hard |
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| 04:45.07 | kd8ikt | oh jeez http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/securing-debian-howto.en.txt |
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| 04:47.12 | kd8ikt | thats quite an involving read |
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| 04:48.38 | topls | happy bday debian. First saw you in '99, dated freebsd for a while, now im a year back xoxo |
| 04:48.55 | tecky | LOL |
| 04:49.02 | tecky | topls: nice, welcome bak ? |
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| 04:50.36 | topls | freind at work had oreilly debian book in '99 great learning exp. |
| 04:51.29 | topls | then redhat, mandrake, freebsd, back to debian. win2000/xp for the mandatory stuff |
| 04:51.49 | topls | now 95% debian |
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| 04:53.43 | dmoerner | topls, that's the same book i used to learn debian |
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| 04:54.56 | topls | we worked at a place called dyn-o-mite copies, so everbody got one. like 5 of us eat that thing up |
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| 04:55.11 | topls | ate |
| 04:55.34 | antum | Hi, Is there anyway to downgrade a package once it is installed? I'm trying to downgrade cURL libraries |
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| 04:56.35 | dmoerner | dpkg, tell antum about downgrade |
| 04:56.47 | _2 | the install cd setup gnome as the "desktop" i'll try to tolerate that for now. but how do you get rid of the stupid icons ? |
| 04:56.57 | dmoerner | antum, when you say downgrade, do you mean downgrade sid to lenny, or something else? |
| 04:57.09 | antum | I'm reading here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html that it's not possible :( |
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| 04:58.14 | antum | I mean I have libcurl3-dev version 7.15 and I want to downgrade to 7.11 |
| 04:58.17 | dmoerner | antum, actually that page gives the hint that the opposite is true. if you pin a package to a value greater than 1000 it will force a downgrade |
| 04:58.22 | dmoerner | where are the 7.11 sources? |
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| 04:59.15 | antum | I'm not sure where to get them? Or even if they're available... I found this: http://packages.debian.org/etch/libcurl3-dev |
| 04:59.32 | dmoerner | dpkg, tell antum -about sdn |
| 04:59.58 | dmoerner | antum, is there a bug filed against this version of libcurl for your specific problem>? |
| 05:00.06 | dmoerner | there should not be a need to downgrade etch packages |
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| 05:01.44 | antum | dmoerner yeah it doesn't compile against php 4.3.2 (yes I know 4.4.9 is out, but for this very specific setup I would like to have 4.3.2) |
| 05:02.22 | dmoerner | antum, then you will have to use snapshots and downgrade it manually |
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| 05:03.04 | _2 | anyone know how to remove all icons from gnome desktop ? |
| 05:04.19 | cahoot | _2 gconf-editor |
| 05:04.40 | antum | dmoerner ok ... since I'm not having much luck navigating the snapshots I might be a bit too 'newbie' to continue... i might just have to bite the bullet and compile without curl.... |
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| 05:04.55 | cahoot | _2 IIRC it's a nautilus feature |
| 05:05.07 | _2 | cahoot ty |
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| 05:13.13 | nice88 | Uh |
| 05:13.30 | dmoerner | nice88, yes? |
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| 05:16.17 | Varanger | !sip |
| 05:16.17 | dpkg | it has been said that sip is Session Initiation Protocol. the way to initiate telephone calls over the internet also known as VoIP, it signals a remote end on port 5060 and begins sending RTP streams |
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| 05:24.48 | _2 | well i did try to tolerate gnome... i really did. but it must go the way of windows which i also tried to tolerate... so will purging gconf get gnome out of my life ? |
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| 05:26.21 | cahoot | _2 aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common |
| 05:26.32 | eshaase | does converting an mp3 to wav back to mp3 result in a lower-quality mp3 than the original? |
| 05:26.51 | streuner | sure |
| 05:27.11 | cahoot | but - will you notice? |
| 05:28.41 | streuner | hm, depends what kind of music :-P |
| 05:28.48 | _2 | cahoot looks like apt-get remove gconf* will do the same and more :) |
| 05:29.32 | dmoerner | _2, aptitude purge ~ngnome |
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| 05:30.18 | kd8ikt | well this is odd, apt-cache search kernel-source shows nothing |
| 05:30.18 | _2 | dmoerner i already did the gconf* it's clean now. thanks. |
| 05:30.27 | Joint | hey what wireless. apps. do i used ? |
| 05:30.32 | streuner | k38i: no |
| 05:30.33 | dmoerner | kd8ikt, apt-cache search linux-source |
| 05:30.51 | streuner | kd8ikt: no, prolly the wrong package-name |
| 05:31.20 | kd8ikt | howbout try usb networking was it |
| 05:31.24 | kd8ikt | what |
| 05:31.25 | streuner | kd8ikt: what do you need? |
| 05:31.37 | kd8ikt | i mean linux-source-2.6.25 was it |
| 05:31.41 | Joint | hey what wireless. apps. do i used ? |
| 05:31.44 | streuner | kd8ikt: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 05:31.47 | Joint | to connect? |
| 05:32.06 | streuner | ifupdown? |
| 05:32.09 | kd8ikt | ii libc6 2.7-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 05:32.26 | streuner | uh, sounds like unstable |
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| 05:32.33 | kd8ikt | testing lenny |
| 05:32.36 | streuner | !info libc6 testing |
| 05:33.08 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.7-13 (lenny), Packaged size: 4333 kB, Installed size: 10508 kB |
| 05:33.28 | streuner | hm |
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| 05:34.11 | streuner | kd8ikt: and, for what do you need the source? |
| 05:34.19 | kd8ikt | leonard |
| 05:34.27 | streuner | What's that? |
| 05:34.40 | _2 | c library is 10 m now ... ;/ |
| 05:34.46 | kd8ikt | well i'm hoping to patch up a kernel for package grsecurity2 |
| 05:35.00 | kd8ikt | anti stack smasha |
| 05:35.46 | kd8ikt | then if/when that succeeded i will play with compiling snort ./configure --inline |
| 05:36.13 | kd8ikt | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/securing-debian-howto.en.txt <-- this is a mighty fine read |
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| 05:36.41 | kd8ikt | a bit dated but still pertient* is that the correct word |
| 05:36.50 | kd8ikt | tinent |
| 05:37.01 | niklass | what is good and free hard drive data secure destruction software |
| 05:37.16 | streuner | dd? |
| 05:37.17 | dmoerner | niklass, /dev/urandom? maybe i'm misunderstanding you |
| 05:37.20 | kd8ikt | dd if=/dev/urandom |
| 05:37.23 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 05:37.46 | streuner | niklass: no worrier, once you copy the data and overwrite they are gone |
| 05:37.48 | niklass | something like blancco |
| 05:37.58 | streuner | s/worrier/worries/ |
| 05:38.07 | kd8ikt | or better yet make a partition... dmcrypt AES mount it/make a fs on it and write random data to it |
| 05:38.37 | kd8ikt | actually thats not entirely true streuner |
| 05:38.43 | streuner | How paranoid are you? |
| 05:39.06 | kd8ikt | i believe the data cran be recovered over multiple writes |
| 05:39.15 | streuner | kd8ikt: endless discussions |
| 05:39.30 | kd8ikt | its not paranoia its physics |
| 05:39.44 | dmoerner | if you're really paranoid take advantage of physics and use a nice big hammer |
| 05:39.50 | streuner | ok, but WHO should spend so much money to get that data? |
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| 05:40.15 | streuner | yeah; best method ever -> sledgehammer :-) |
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| 05:40.32 | niklass | streuner: thats not important:) |
| 05:40.46 | streuner | sure, it is |
| 05:41.09 | streuner | if you don't need a sledgehammer, its important then :-) |
| 05:41.14 | niklass | important is that nobody can rocover the data |
| 05:41.32 | streuner | 08/15 people aren't usually... |
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| 05:45.08 | streuner | talked to people who spent time on that issue, they told me its not possible to recover data if they overwritten AND its not true, they should be in another area on the HD |
| 05:45.21 | Trewas | the study about being able to recover data after multiple overwrites was done when data density was a million or so times less dense than today, it is probably a bit harder now |
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| 05:45.43 | streuner | it was true for really OLD HDs in the past |
| 05:45.56 | streuner | Trewas: true |
| 05:46.41 | Trewas | maybe it is still possible in some cases but required HUGE budget to get all the needed hardware |
| 05:46.43 | _2 | Q=20 ;while [ $Q -gt 0 ] ;do cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda1 ;Q=$(($Q-1)) ;echo "$Q to go" ;done ;cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda1 # seems to be pretty affective. |
| 05:46.43 | _2 | :) |
| 05:47.45 | niklass | is there any good ready tool to clear hard drive fastly |
| 05:47.46 | kd8ikt | http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:k9DqPVq1RuAJ:www.infosecwriters.com/text_resources/pdf/Magnetic_Data_Recovery_JSawyer.pdf+magnetic+data+multiple+writes+still+readable&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us&client=iceweasel-a |
| 05:47.48 | streuner | Trewas: yeah, that's the question, WHO spend so much money to recover some pr0n ;-) |
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| 05:48.25 | kd8ikt | if it was child pr0n and i could get you thrown in jail i might |
| 05:49.51 | niklass | http://www.blancco.com/eng/products/blancco+-+data+cleaner/ this is good but expensive |
| 05:49.52 | kd8ikt | or extortion |
| 05:50.09 | nonfatmatt | has used shred in the past |
| 05:50.11 | nonfatmatt | but it's slow |
| 05:50.18 | kd8ikt | DBAN |
| 05:50.24 | kd8ikt | daviks boot and nuke |
| 05:51.39 | kd8ikt | and its not always your data that you need to hide its the data/logs on all the machines it was in contact with |
| 05:52.26 | kd8ikt | like if this irc chat was sensitive info i , wiping my drive wont help cause joeshmoe is logging it |
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| 05:53.48 | ZOP | real data destruction is slow, unless you go the route of 'fucking bigass electromagnet, followed by industrial chipper' |
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| 05:54.44 | kd8ikt | eh melt it down in a foundery |
| 05:55.09 | kd8ikt | lets see yea read the magnetic charges on a molten mass of slag |
| 05:56.32 | kd8ikt | only a pothead would understand this level of complexitiy of this paranoia, then again they'd loose it in another sec |
| 05:56.40 | simonrvn | even near a heat source... the magnets dirving the heads will lose their strength completely. |
| 05:56.51 | mot | she gives me money |
| 05:56.53 | mot | when i'm in need!!! |
| 05:56.59 | mot | :D |
| 05:57.13 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 05:59.32 | kd8ikt | i love tree its one of my fav apps |
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| 05:59.45 | dbmoodb | niklass: good and fast .. no just jump on it and hit it with a hammer then put it in a swimming pool |
| 06:01.07 | kd8ikt | water doesnt really change the magnetic data if we are talking about an IDE type drive |
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| 06:03.04 | kd8ikt | but if you want to reuse it i suggest the free and super secure alternative DBAN |
| 06:03.14 | niklas | =) |
| 06:03.32 | kd8ikt | let it run for a few days and you should be in the clear |
| 06:04.08 | kd8ikt | or carry around copies to piss off all your friends when they arent looking drop it in their drive |
| 06:05.03 | niklas | allright thnx for tips |
| 06:05.10 | kd8ikt | modify it so it looks like its output is some super defragmenter that will speed up drive access time by 100% |
| 06:05.20 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 06:05.36 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: ... buy an electron magnet ? |
| 06:06.30 | dbmoodb | depending on where you live you can nail gun it .. or shoot it for real... or just wipe it then place at dump under large pile of other dump looking similar stuff |
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| 06:13.07 | sarthor_ | HI. i am back. need help |
| 06:13.24 | sarthor_ | debain installed. but no lan card there.. how to fix this problem. |
| 06:13.39 | sarthor_ | its inspiron dell 1525 laptop |
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| 06:14.18 | Braden` | Hello |
| 06:14.25 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: how is it not there? |
| 06:14.44 | sarthor_ | Ahhhhh.. thats what i am asking for. |
| 06:14.58 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: how have you looked? |
| 06:15.13 | sarthor_ | i am new. tell me how to check. |
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| 06:15.17 | Somni | sarthor_: you've determined it's not there; how? |
| 06:15.20 | Braden` | I have the apache2 package installed, which saves its log files to /var/log/apache2. Something is periodically rotating my logs which I don't want it to do. I am fine with my /var/log files to be rotated but not my /var/log/apache2 files. I checked /etc/logrotate.conf but didn't see any specific directory mentions. How do I stop this? |
| 06:15.30 | Sweetandy | Is there an X configuration utility that will reevaluate its poor decision in what resolutions I can have? |
| 06:15.33 | sarthor_ | coz i cant confiugre that. |
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| 06:15.40 | Somni | sarthor_: what does that mean? |
| 06:15.54 | sarthor_ | on the right side. down its says not network card. |
| 06:16.06 | sarthor_ | no network connection. sorryh. |
| 06:16.24 | Somni | sarthor_: on the right side of what? |
| 06:16.33 | sarthor_ | desktop. |
| 06:16.38 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: do you know how to use pastebin? |
| 06:16.58 | sarthor_ | look. |
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| 06:17.27 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: assuming so, please post THERE (not here) the output of: |
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| 06:17.34 | sarthor_ | there is one icon on the right side down on the task bar. its says no network connection.. when i click that. so it says no network device found. |
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| 06:17.54 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: "uname -a" , "lsmod" , "lspci" and lets start there |
| 06:17.56 | screamingbytes | well gnight all, ive had about enough for today :) |
| 06:17.58 | sarthor_ | nmh_2Grajw, . i dont hvae intent on that machine. so how can i put that. |
| 06:18.18 | kd8ikt | i might state that the kernel/modules might be slightly old given that you dont currently have net you cant update the kernel/modules |
| 06:18.50 | sarthor_ | uname -a says. linux localhost 2.6.18-6-686 smp |
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| 06:18.57 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: you could run those commands redirecting the output to files, then copy those files with a usb-fob (or similar) to the computer you have net access with |
| 06:19.17 | sarthor_ | nmh_2Grajw, dont have usb drv. |
| 06:19.53 | Braden` | I am having problems setting up awstats |
| 06:19.54 | sarthor_ | i can apply commands on laptop.. and will type the result here. |
| 06:20.00 | Braden` | Has anyone here had any experience with that package? |
| 06:20.03 | kd8ikt | yikes 2.6.18... and i feel weird about jumping back to 2.6.24.5 for grsecurity when i'm currently on 2.6.25 |
| 06:20.04 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: hmm, maybe start with ifconfig -a |
| 06:20.05 | sarthor_ | computers are side by side. |
| 06:20.09 | sarthor_ | Ok. |
| 06:20.19 | Somni | a route -n, too |
| 06:20.26 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: you don't need to type all the output, just tell me what interfaces are listed |
| 06:21.02 | sarthor_ | eth0, lo and sit0, i manually configured eth0 but no ping to the other pc. |
| 06:21.07 | sarthor_ | while form xp its pinging. |
| 06:21.11 | sarthor_ | its dual boot. |
| 06:21.15 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: also, are you trying to setup the wired or wireless network connection? |
| 06:21.29 | sarthor_ | wired 1st. |
| 06:21.42 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: do you know what the settings are for the network? |
| 06:21.42 | sarthor_ | i think for wireless it wil need some downloads. |
| 06:21.48 | sarthor_ | Yes. |
| 06:21.59 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: dhcp? static? |
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| 06:22.04 | sarthor_ | clint ips are 192.168.0.xx and the gateway is 192.168.0.100 |
| 06:22.12 | sarthor_ | dhcp is also running. |
| 06:22.21 | sarthor_ | but i confugured static. |
| 06:22.28 | sarthor_ | coz that was not getting ip from dhcp. |
| 06:22.36 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: what do you mean dhcp is running? |
| 06:22.47 | sarthor_ | dhcpd is running on my server. means on the network. |
| 06:23.40 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: as Somni mentioned earlier, what output do you have for netstat -nr |
| 06:24.24 | sarthor_ | in destination there is 192.168.0.0 and in gateway tab 192.168.01.00 |
| 06:24.33 | sarthor_ | and the ether is eth0 |
| 06:24.46 | sarthor_ | netmask is 255.255.255.0 |
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| 06:25.18 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: maybe someone else will correct me, but that looks weird to me - did you set that up manually, or did you use dhcp? |
| 06:25.32 | amphi | sarthor_: gateway is 192.168.0.1 ? or what you wrote? |
| 06:25.37 | sarthor_ | manually. |
| 06:25.48 | sarthor_ | gateway is 192.168.0.100 |
| 06:25.50 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: do you have a dhcp client on the computer? |
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| 06:25.54 | sarthor_ | i know its the gateway. |
| 06:26.04 | sarthor_ | how to check the ducpclient |
| 06:26.05 | amphi | sarthor_: that's not what you wrote ;) |
| 06:26.21 | sarthor_ | Sorry. mistyped. |
| 06:26.23 | nmh_2Grajw | amphi: I just assumed it was a typo when he wrote it here |
| 06:27.14 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: hmm, try "dpkg -l | grep dhcp" |
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| 06:27.32 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: and if that returns nothing, maybe "dpkg -l | grep dhclient |
| 06:27.51 | amphi | sarthor_: you need to set the gw as default route |
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| 06:27.58 | sarthor_ | its says. dhcp3-client and other is dhcp3-common |
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| 06:28.39 | sarthor_ | amphi, gate is my default route. |
| 06:28.47 | sarthor_ | it show in route -n |
| 06:28.55 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: you can either: 1) try to get it setup manually or 2) try to use dhcp instead |
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| 06:29.14 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: I think you need to have a destination of 0.0.0.0 with a gw of 192.168.0.100 |
| 06:29.28 | kd8ikt | i honestly and firmly believe on all default installs build-essential+kernel source she be included in all deafult installs |
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| 06:29.34 | sarthor_ | i did manually. but the taskbar says no network device found. |
| 06:29.40 | kd8ikt | and i repeated mysel;f again |
| 06:30.11 | amphi | kd8ikt: why should all that be installed by default? |
| 06:30.12 | Agent_bob | may i ask a "stupid" question ? err another one... |
| 06:30.13 | Somni | sarthor_: that's probably an entirely different problem; do you have a network connection? can you ping the gateway? can you ping hosts on the internet? |
| 06:30.16 | kd8ikt | its way past my bedtime obviously G'night |
| 06:30.28 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: and a destination of 192.168.0.100 with a gw of 0.0.0.0 - but maybe I am wrong |
| 06:30.49 | Coke | Hello! I'm on Debian testing and I've tried most of the music players available and they all suck badly. Most of them freeze after a while and others require daemons and way too big UI's. I want something small like xmms (not v2 with daemon) or beep-multimedia-player (but one that doesn't crash), any ideas what I can use? A console UI player is cool too as long as it has a "play directory" and shuffle function. |
| 06:30.49 | sarthor_ | i cant ping any host. |
| 06:30.52 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: Somni's suggestion is very good |
| 06:31.07 | sarthor_ | i know i am connected to the swithch. and the switch is connect to 192.168.0.100. but i cant ping that. |
| 06:31.19 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: okay |
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| 06:32.00 | sarthor_ | on xp i cant ping all.. and b4 2 hrs i remove the ubuntu. that was fine. but in instalatin also there was not network detection. |
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| 06:32.03 | Agent_bob | to what purpose is username=root banned from #debian ? |
| 06:32.14 | kd8ikt | certiant things like wifi cards and netdevices like my wifi card (i carry the working sources with me on my usb stick) cause no distro/anything automagicly detects it so i have to compile a few kmods every new kern update |
| 06:32.21 | sarthor_ | and i text alot with yurort in think. |
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| 06:33.32 | sarthor_ | even if i am putting cable in the lan port. there is not light switching on. |
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| 06:34.15 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: umm, what if you use a different cable? |
| 06:34.16 | kd8ikt | Coke: mplayer... and xmms2 isnt all that bad if you play with it then theres always the tried and true mpd or audacious (xmms lookalike) |
| 06:34.46 | kd8ikt | daemons are just a part of linux |
| 06:34.46 | sarthor_ | i use 3 cables.. same. |
| 06:35.00 | Coke | kd8ikt: tried audacious as well, also crashes |
| 06:35.07 | kd8ikt | cant have X11 without the Xserver |
| 06:35.13 | Coke | kd8ikt: and mplayer has no shuffle function and no directory play function |
| 06:35.26 | kd8ikt | mpl3blaster |
| 06:35.30 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: can you make a knoppix cd? |
| 06:35.49 | kd8ikt | wow you made audacious crash... thats a first time i;ve heard that |
| 06:35.55 | nmh_2Grajw | Coke: iirc, you can do shuffle with mpg123 (and you can play <path_to_dir>/* |
| 06:35.55 | sarthor_ | how?? |
| 06:36.03 | sarthor_ | nmh_2Grajw, how? |
| 06:36.08 | kd8ikt | mp3b;aster |
| 06:36.09 | Coke | kd8ikt: that looks promising |
| 06:36.15 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: download a knoppix iso, write it to a CD, put the CD in the computer and try to boot with that |
| 06:36.20 | Coke | nmh_2Grajw: I don't see it responding to any keys |
| 06:36.32 | kd8ikt | or totem |
| 06:36.35 | nmh_2Grajw | Coke: use ctl-c to skip to the next song |
| 06:36.35 | sarthor_ | brb. |
| 06:36.43 | kd8ikt | totem does it all last i checked |
| 06:36.45 | nmh_2Grajw | Coke: twice to quit |
| 06:36.52 | Agent_bob | Coke sox and write your own frentend |
| 06:37.07 | nmh_2Grajw | Agent_bob: ha |
| 06:37.11 | Coke | Agent_bob: yeah, that will be fast enough. :) |
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| 06:37.18 | Coke | I was seriously thinking about that though |
| 06:37.26 | Coke | There's a profound lack of a simple winamp-like music player |
| 06:37.32 | Coke | (that doesn't crash) |
| 06:37.34 | Agent_bob | Coke i wasn't joking. that's what i did. |
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| 06:37.40 | sarthor | i am back. now i am from other laptop and my lan cable is plugged in that debain laptop. |
| 06:37.59 | sarthor | nmh_2Grajw, i have xp installed on the laptop. |
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| 06:38.07 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: does it work? |
| 06:38.19 | sarthor | no |
| 06:38.29 | kd8ikt | just OMG IT CRASHES doesnt help... did you run if from a cmdline and see anydebug output? maybe something is horibly wrong with your environment |
| 06:38.29 | sarthor | destination unreachable. |
| 06:38.37 | sarthor | lan lights are not on. |
| 06:38.55 | sarthor | i put the cable from my xp maching. the cable is wokring confirm. |
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| 06:39.20 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: from what you are saying, it sounds to me like maybe the network jack is dead |
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| 06:39.34 | Agent_bob | so no answer on why username=root is banned from #debian ? |
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| 06:39.59 | kd8ikt | most irc servers/channs block user root |
| 06:40.01 | sarthor | network jack/ on fable or laptop?? |
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| 06:40.16 | Glanzmann | Hello; I tried to install Lenny via netboot and get the message "The specified Debian archive mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid Release file on it. Please try a different mirror." In the proxy log file I see that it accesses the Release file. |
| 06:40.17 | Agent_bob | kd8ikt doesn't answer why though |
| 06:40.17 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: laptop - you said everything else was working |
| 06:40.19 | sarthor | this jacking is working fine on xp. the laptop have xp installed also. |
| 06:40.23 | Joint | netgear wg111v2 can someone help me how to installed that driver for that USB wireless adapter |
| 06:40.24 | Glanzmann | I also double checked that I have the most recent netboot.tar.gz |
| 06:40.42 | kd8ikt | cause we could try coaxing you into typing /exec rm -rf / in your irc window |
| 06:40.43 | Agent_bob | kd8ikt and very few servers do. and only some channels do. |
| 06:40.53 | Somni | Agent_bob: IRCing as root is dangerous; by the simple expedient of banning it, you can force people into making a user account |
| 06:40.56 | sarthor | the jack have no problem. |
| 06:41.13 | Joint | netgear wg111v2 can someone help me how to installed that driver for that USB wireless adapter |
| 06:41.21 | sarthor | simple .. debain is not indentifiing my lan card. |
| 06:41.24 | Glanzmann | Is it safe to watch porn as root? |
| 06:41.32 | kd8ikt | you should get into the habit of running "user" programs as user and system mantenance as root |
| 06:41.33 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: how do you know? |
| 06:41.56 | Agent_bob | Somni you can't force people to make a user account that way. you can only force them to set username=!root by that methood. |
| 06:42.10 | sarthor | nmh_2Grajw, Coz in start also it did not detect. we tried a lot. me and this chan |
| 06:42.22 | kd8ikt | and nomatter how you look at it irc is not a system maintanence program |
| 06:42.28 | sarthor | start means ..installation. |
| 06:42.38 | Agent_bob | Somni and is it chan ops job to "big brother" all users that way ? |
| 06:42.39 | Somni | Agent_bob: you certainly can force some people |
| 06:43.13 | kd8ikt | of course , Agent_bob .. ribbed for your pleasure |
| 06:43.22 | Somni | Agent_bob: you asked why it's done; you have your answer; I'm sure you can turn it into some sort of political/rights argument, but I'm not interested |
| 06:43.28 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor_: hmmm, have you looked at: |
| 06:43.28 | nmh_2Grajw | http://albertomolina.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/debian-lenny-en-dell-inspiron-1525/ |
| 06:43.28 | nmh_2Grajw | http://nain.oso.chalmers.se/index.php?q=node/21 |
| 06:44.11 | sarthor | Yes. i read that, but i am not very good in english. so i could not get any help from there. |
| 06:44.31 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor: okay |
| 06:44.38 | Ariana- | i have a question |
| 06:44.42 | Ariana- | is 2.6.18-53.1.6.el5.028stab053.6 #1 SMP Mon Feb 11 20:14:31 MSK 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:44.44 | Ariana- | etch |
| 06:44.45 | Ariana- | ? |
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| 06:45.05 | sarthor | thats says about marvell. and the marvell was not there in the list of hareware detect list. |
| 06:45.23 | sarthor | and i also check with sky2 but no success. |
| 06:45.32 | kd8ikt | also it might me worth noting i've heard debian isnt exactly fast to move things into stable branch so if you have newer hardware testing/unstable might be a wise choice |
| 06:45.42 | Agent_bob | Somni ok. let me see if i have the answer correct, and i'll drop it. the answer is because "you" (being the chan op in quiestion who ever that is) feel it your right and responsibality to protect the poor ignorant rest of the world from themselves ? |
| 06:45.45 | sarthor | then i manuall modprobe sky2 but no success. |
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| 06:46.32 | Somni | Agent_bob: once again, I'm not interested in debating the merits of it |
| 06:46.52 | Agent_bob | i only asked if that's why ! |
| 06:46.54 | kd8ikt | bad version/kernel is weak/flaky with the sky2 on that version i guess |
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| 06:47.28 | sarthor | Ahhhhhhhh.. i was good on ubuntu.. this debain chan told me to install debain... i am stuck now. |
| 06:47.34 | kd8ikt | Agent_bob: its not worth bitching about, feel free to make your own irc chan and irc as root all you want |
| 06:47.36 | sarthor | and i dont want o leave it as it is. |
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| 06:47.48 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor: what do you get with lspci | grep "09:00.0" |
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| 06:48.31 | sarthor | its says marvell Technolgy group. |
| 06:49.15 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor: you have the ethernet card - you have eth0, I think |
| 06:49.51 | Agent_bob | kd8ikt your're right, it's not. and the only point is that it's not irc'ing as root that is banned. i can do that here if i want. it's using username=root that is banned. and i will go elsewhere. |
| 06:49.55 | sarthor | but also my gui icon says. no network device have been found. |
| 06:50.18 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor: I have little faith in gui tools |
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| 06:51.44 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor: ifconfig tells you what for eth0? (inet addr, does it say UP or DOWN) |
| 06:52.17 | sarthor | no i put that on dynamic ip setting. |
| 06:52.17 | sarthor | but its not getting ip. |
| 06:52.27 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor: ? |
| 06:52.35 | sarthor | nmh_2Grajw, ok |
| 06:52.45 | sarthor | ifcofig says. |
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| 06:52.58 | sarthor | eth0 and lo ..2 devices. |
| 06:53.11 | sarthor | eth0 have no ip. but the mac address is very long. |
| 06:53.44 | sarthor | hawadd is 38.4f.c0.07.27.48.70.00.00.00.00.00.00.00 |
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| 06:54.07 | sarthor | eth0= Link Encap: UNSPEC |
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| 06:54.21 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor: are you running the dhcp server? can you run tcpdump on another computer? |
| 06:54.34 | sarthor | yes. |
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| 06:55.12 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor: have you tried ifdown eth0 , start tcpdump on the other machine, then ifup eth0 and look for the dhcp traffic? |
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| 06:57.21 | sarthor | nmh_2Grajw, i am on putty in that server, so there is a lot of traffic. how to identify that. |
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| 06:58.22 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor: grab everything and look for arp traffic, dhcp traffic and the hwaddr for the laptop? |
| 06:58.42 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor: or look at the typical traffic (whatever it is) and filter it out |
| 06:58.51 | sarthor | and also its trying to get ip. but there is no msg for getting dhcp lease in tail -f /var/log/msgs |
| 06:59.12 | sarthor | also i am ping this ip .100 but nothing in arp. |
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| 07:00.12 | Somni | sarthor: what interface is this? eth0? |
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| 07:01.10 | sarthor | yes |
| 07:01.11 | sarthor | eth0 |
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| 07:02.25 | sarthor | there is no traffice on connectivity from the debain laptop with the server. |
| 07:03.10 | Somni | sarthor: grep eth0 /proc/interrupts |
| 07:03.12 | Somni | what does that show? |
| 07:03.20 | Somni | sarthor: and please, debian |
| 07:03.37 | sarthor | debian. ok. Sorry. |
| 07:04.03 | sarthor | please forgave for mistype. i am using very small laptop now. |
| 07:04.28 | sarthor | Somni, this command on debian computer or on server in tcpdum? |
| 07:05.16 | Somni | sarthor: I have no idea what you just asked me; run it on the machine you're having problems with |
| 07:05.26 | sarthor | ok |
| 07:05.32 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor: laptop, I would think |
| 07:05.49 | sarthor | Somni, its says nothing |
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| 07:07.27 | Somni | sarthor: hm, can you paste the output of `cat /proc/interrupts` to a paste bot? |
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| 07:08.25 | sarthor | let me write in the paste bin. |
| 07:09.23 | sarthor | Somni, its a lot to write. it will take time. |
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| 07:11.00 | sarthor | Ok friends.. i am installing ubuntu. |
| 07:11.11 | sarthor | you helped a lot. thanks for that. |
| 07:11.39 | nmh_2Grajw | sarthor: good luck with it |
| 07:11.57 | sarthor | nmh_2Grajw, thanks for your help brother. |
| 07:12.07 | sarthor | also thank for Somni |
| 07:12.10 | sarthor | and others. |
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| 07:15.59 | nmh_2Grajw | now I am going to try a basic question: I setup an eeepc 701 with lenny (and the wireless worked). Now, it seems that the wireless card is missing (no device with ifconfig after inserting the ath_pci module(s)). I am going to ask the person with the laptop to send me the output from lspci and cat /proc/interrupts - anything else I should check to see what is going on? |
| 07:16.39 | ZOP | dmesg |
| 07:16.54 | ZOP | and ifconfig -a |
| 07:16.56 | ZOP | for networking issues |
| 07:17.48 | nmh_2Grajw | ZOP: sorry I was not clear, I did have him check ifconfig -a and dmesg. |
| 07:19.05 | nmh_2Grajw | continuing on that point (dmesg), I see two lines about the driver and its copyright, and nothing else in the dmesg output. ifconfig -a lists eth0 and lo (when I had the machine, ifconfig -a listed those and ath0 and wifi0 (iirc)) |
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| 07:29.33 | sardior | must be the splits... |
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| 07:33.45 | MindVirus | What's the runlevel that reboots the computer? |
| 07:34.10 | Braden` | 6 |
| 07:34.38 | MindVirus | Braden`, alright, and which one's user defined? |
| 07:36.07 | wols_ | MindVirus: ubuntu or debian? |
| 07:36.46 | MindVirus | wols_, :) |
| 07:37.02 | wols_ | no laughing matter |
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| 07:38.05 | MindVirus | wols_, nevermind; answer's 4. |
| 07:38.15 | wols_ | MindVirus: wrong |
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| 07:40.00 | jelly-home | MindVirus: man init; on debian, 2-5 are the same by default and 2 is usually used |
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| 07:57.08 | regurgitate | hi |
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| 08:06.13 | Braden` | I have debian installed, and I have the packages for perl, apache2, apache2-mod-perl2, etc., and I am trying to run a perl script from my browser. Everytime I browse to the script, however, it wants me to download it. Here is part of my apache2.conf file: http://pastebin.com/d1cb22883 |
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| 08:09.11 | milligan_ | did you configure a cgi-bin ? |
| 08:09.24 | Somni | Braden`: /home/www-data/tenament.com/cgi-bin is not a Location, it's a Directory |
| 08:09.42 | Somni | and you need a ScriptAlias for it, preferably in the <VirtualHost> block |
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| 08:10.28 | Somni | you also need +ExecCGI for /var/lib/cgi-bin |
| 08:10.42 | Somni | but you didn't mention which CGI script you're trying to execute, so it's hard to tell which of these is the problem |
| 08:10.46 | dto | hello. SD cards plugged into my card reader show up in HAL and pop up in the XFCE file manager as "Places". but this doesn't work with any of 3 external USB HDD's i've tried. |
| 08:10.58 | dto | the HDD's mount and run fine from the commandline |
| 08:11.07 | dto | but don't show up at all in "lshal" output |
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| 08:12.35 | Braden` | somni: http://www.tenament.com/cgi-bin/awstats?config=questweb |
| 08:12.46 | Braden` | I will check what you just said with my config |
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| 08:13.33 | nagnag | Braden`, awstats.pl |
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| 08:14.11 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 08:14.19 | OpenTokix | How do you prevent from getting kicked from the channel? |
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| 08:14.31 | Braden` | nagnag: http://www.tenament.com/cgi-bin/awstats.pl?config=questweb <--- Thats what I am using, sorry. |
| 08:14.35 | wols_ | when were you kicked? |
| 08:15.03 | OpenTokix | Yesterday sometime |
| 08:15.06 | nagnag | Braden`, works for me |
| 08:15.09 | wols_ | don't flood |
| 08:15.11 | OpenTokix | I just noticed I eneded up in debian-overflow |
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| 08:15.21 | wols_ | that is different |
| 08:15.24 | OpenTokix | wols_: I don't flood |
| 08:15.36 | wols_ | too many people joined at once, then you get moved to overflow |
| 08:15.42 | wols_ | happens sometiems with netsplits |
| 08:16.16 | OpenTokix | annoying like hell |
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| 08:17.08 | Braden` | nagnag: It does? |
| 08:17.27 | nagnag | Statistics for: |
| 08:17.27 | nagnag | www.questweb.us |
| 08:19.40 | Braden` | Odd, firefox keeps asking me to open or save |
| 08:19.55 | wols_ | webserver misconfig |
| 08:19.56 | Braden` | Sounds like a mime-type problem |
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| 08:21.48 | Braden` | How do I fix that? AddType? |
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| 08:25.22 | sladi_ | Should I use ~/fonts/local.conf to configure the fonts in X? The changes don't do anything, is there an additional command needed? |
| 08:26.12 | Braden` | Does anyone know how I could fix the problem where its wanting to download the perl file instead of displaying it? |
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| 08:27.15 | antlarr | hi |
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| 08:28.58 | antlarr | I upgraded some packages and now my nis client doesn't work properly. I can login, and my home is mounted correctly with automounter, but when I try to write in my own home, I get access denied errors |
| 08:29.28 | antlarr | I checked there's free space, and the uid on both client and nfs server matches |
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| 08:29.57 | antlarr | any idea? |
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| 08:35.16 | dto | how can i give back to the debian community? |
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| 08:39.52 | Blackhold | hello |
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| 08:40.44 | Blackhold | I've got a scsi dat device and I'm looking for a program to schedule backups and that shows the containing of different dat cassettes |
| 08:40.52 | Blackhold | do you know someone? |
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| 08:41.57 | DaveDorm | ... |
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| 08:44.30 | simplechat | hey, on the debian install screen, is there any part which has a black screen? |
| 08:44.49 | simplechat | i'm trying to install debian as a qemu image, but its failing part of the way through. (black screen, locking up qemu) |
| 08:44.55 | simplechat | could it be that i need a larger disk for it? |
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| 08:46.26 | wols_ | how much space are you giving debian? |
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| 08:50.11 | simplechat | wols_, 4 gigs |
| 08:50.15 | simplechat | on the standard desktop install |
| 08:50.22 | wols_ | plenty |
| 08:50.25 | simplechat | i'm redoing it with 20 gigs |
| 08:50.29 | wols_ | that'S not it. so more info needed |
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| 08:50.33 | wols_ | no need to use 20GB |
| 08:50.33 | simplechat | and 200 megs of ram |
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| 08:50.40 | simplechat | for it to play with |
| 08:50.44 | simplechat | but yeah |
| 08:50.56 | simplechat | once its doing the final install |
| 08:51.03 | simplechat | it just sits and freezes on a completely black screen |
| 08:51.08 | simplechat | and qemu refuses to close the window |
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| 08:52.55 | wols_ | what is it doing exactly before it freezes? |
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| 08:55.16 | simplechat | wols_, setting up its packages |
| 08:55.25 | simplechat | its that screen after you check that you want it to be a desktop machine |
| 08:56.11 | Blackhold | I've got a scsi dat device and I'm looking for a program to schedule backups and that shows the containing of different dat cassettes |
| 08:56.27 | Blackhold | do you know something like this? |
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| 08:58.47 | antlarr | ok, my problem was related to the nfs-common package |
| 08:59.16 | antlarr | downgrading just that package to the previous version I had installed solved the problem (thanks apt archive!) |
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| 08:59.33 | jelly-home | Blackhold: amanda? bacula? Any decent backup app will keep its own index of tape media |
| 09:00.21 | Blackhold | with bacula I have some problems to detect tape drive |
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| 09:02.04 | Blackhold | does amanda a webinterface?! |
| 09:05.52 | simplechat | but yeah, so whats happening on that screen? |
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| 09:28.20 | xingu | it'd be neat if pdo included a link to the package changelog |
| 09:29.18 | liable | aptitude can fetch them |
| 09:29.48 | xingu | yeah sure, and apt-listchanges gives me wood too, but it'd be a simple and obvious thing for the pdo website to hyperlink |
| 09:30.22 | liable | file a bug against the web site. cant hurt. |
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| 09:32.11 | xingu | hee hee, this one always cracks me up: - loopback: Enable TSO (Herbert Xu) |
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| 09:37.51 | nirupama | I have got a printer hp laserjet 1022n connected to my debian machine |
| 09:38.02 | nirupama | it needs the driver hpijs or foo2zjs |
| 09:38.14 | nirupama | hpijs driver is already there in my machine |
| 09:38.24 | nirupama | The print goes and i get garbage printing |
| 09:38.31 | nirupama | what could be the reason |
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| 09:40.49 | hatter | someone here know which switch with nmap returns the hostname as well as MAC ? |
| 09:41.35 | hatter | i mean... machine name |
| 09:41.52 | nirupama | any body here |
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| 09:42.35 | hatter | nirupama, did you try hplip ? |
| 09:42.48 | nirupama | hatter, no |
| 09:42.54 | nirupama | hatter, hpijs |
| 09:43.09 | hatter | hp supplies hplip for linux drivers |
| 09:43.18 | hatter | i did it the other day with my c4180 |
| 09:43.21 | hatter | it worked good |
| 09:43.25 | nirupama | hatter, but for this printer its foo2zjs or hplip |
| 09:43.28 | nirupama | hatter, but for this printer its foo2zjs or hpijs |
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| 09:43.33 | nirupama | not hplip |
| 09:43.35 | hatter | nirupama, ok |
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| 09:44.01 | hatter | your first sentence says 'fll2zjd or hplip' |
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| 09:44.47 | nirupama | hatter, so what can I do it make it work |
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| 09:45.49 | hatter | nirupama, google for hplip, there is a hp website and howto on it |
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| 09:48.33 | nirupama | hatter, ok |
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| 09:48.43 | nirupama | hatter, hpijs and hplip do they differ |
| 09:49.46 | hatter | nirupama, no idea. see the hp website. they are impressive in linux support |
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| 09:54.37 | pozic | man man in gnome-terminal with fish as shell returns nothing, man man on the console with the same shell shows a manpage. Why would the results be different? |
| 09:55.09 | petemc | whats fish? |
| 09:55.15 | pozic | !fish |
| 09:55.15 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. Also the "Friendly Interactive SHell", a non-POSIX compatible replacement shell: http://fishshell.org |
| 09:57.07 | cydork | petemc: a shell.. |
| 09:58.03 | petemc | sounds great |
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| 09:59.48 | cedric3 | hi i have a probleme i try to mount a nfs share with option acl but when i try i have this error Unsupported nfs mount option: acl who have any idea please thanks |
| 09:59.52 | snadge | is it possible to change the ownership and group information of files which have been extracted with tar.. after they've already been extracted but with the wrong /etc/passwd,group |
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| 10:00.27 | snadge | i have a running debian system which was extracted from a tarball, but it looks like using the host systems passwd and group files.. and its running, but has a few errors here and there about permissions |
| 10:01.39 | Lagbolt | snacky, you can use chown to change owner and group of files |
| 10:01.55 | pozic | My $PAGER variable was not set correctly. |
| 10:01.57 | snadge | im trying to think of a way to do it, without manually going through the entire filesystem and chowning all the files manually to their correct user/groups |
| 10:02.11 | Lagbolt | snadge, chown -R |
| 10:02.13 | Lagbolt | recursive |
| 10:02.25 | Lagbolt | i guess depends |
| 10:02.31 | cedric3 | nobody have any idea? |
| 10:02.33 | pozic | petemc, it's quite a nice shell, and it seems easier to use than bash. |
| 10:02.34 | Lagbolt | might have to still do that diff on diff fodlers eh |
| 10:02.52 | pozic | E.g. how can you write a simple while loop without using newlines in bash? |
| 10:02.56 | snadge | yeah.. unextracting the tar over the top of the existing files, probably isnt a good idea on a running system |
| 10:03.15 | karme | pozic: while true; do echo hello; sleep 1; done |
| 10:03.16 | petemc | pozic: while : ; do foo ; done |
| 10:03.22 | snadge | was hoping maybe there was a magical option of tar that just does chown ;) |
| 10:04.06 | snadge | and doesnt overwrite existing files.. but overwrites their permissions |
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| 10:04.34 | hexley83 | I'm having a problem with my bash prompt, can anyone help me? |
| 10:04.48 | karme | snadge: maybe extract the tar somewhere and use a script to match the owners? |
| 10:05.17 | hexley83 | I have this: export PS1='\e[0;31m[\e[0;32m\u\e[m@\e[0;36m\h\e[m:\e[0;35m\w\e[m\e[0;31m]\e[m\\$ ' |
| 10:05.27 | snadge | karme: thats sounding like the best idea so far :) |
| 10:05.38 | hexley83 | but after 14 chars of typing the text wraps back to the start of my promt |
| 10:05.39 | hexley83 | any ideas? |
| 10:06.04 | karme | snadge: maybe using mirrordir --test-only |grep foo |
| 10:06.58 | hexley83 | perhaps i'm not escaping something properly? its a bit strange |
| 10:08.03 | karme | snadge: mirrordir -v --test-only dira dirb does only print wether the ownership must be changed: mirrordir: ---verbose--- changing ownership: /tmp/b/foo |
| 10:08.16 | pozic | karme, I messed up the use of [ ] pairs in a test in some way last time, but I understand that now too. This it it in fish, btw. while true; echo hello;sleep 1;end |
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| 10:10.06 | hexley83 | :( |
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| 10:10.12 | xingu | hexley83: prefix/ suffix PS1 with \[...\] for the parts you know (and the shell cannot) to be nonprinting. |
| 10:10.19 | karme | snadge: forget about the mirrordir idea (the part about --test-only in the man page reads: "This is untested - i.e. I donât know whether this option actually makes any changes or not!") |
| 10:10.31 | xingu | hexley83: nb, this is covered in the bash prompt howto |
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| 10:10.43 | Shadur | ... The hell? I've got a 2.6.26 kernel with ext3fs and posix ACL support for ext3 built in, and setfacl still tells me operation not supported. (Debian lenny, fresh install save for the kernel - although the original lenny 2.6.25-2 kernel gave me the same response) |
| 10:11.17 | xingu | Shadur: tune2fs(8): acl: |
| 10:11.53 | Shadur | ... You need to explicitly enable acls as mount option now? |
| 10:12.10 | xingu | ... fs feature flag |
| 10:12.34 | xingu | mount probably follows fs feature flags unless explicitly told otherwise |
| 10:13.17 | Shadur | Okay, and I'll have to remount the device afterward for it to register? |
| 10:13.24 | xingu | that'd be my guess yes |
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| 10:17.47 | Shadur | Remounting didn't work; rebooting did the trick. Thanks. |
| 10:17.52 | snadge | karme: oh .. well i could test it first i suppose :) |
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| 10:19.11 | zxxd | anyone know where gtf package is in etch |
| 10:19.19 | zxxd | gtf binaryt |
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| 10:27.37 | zorrolero | zxxd: obviously only in testing, sorry. --> http://packages.debian.org |
| 10:27.51 | zorrolero | zxxd: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=gtf&mode=exactfilename&suite=testing&arch=any |
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| 10:43.34 | timob | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:44.45 | avu | timob, there is a /proc/<pid>/fd/ directory for every process, listing the open file descriptors |
| 10:44.51 | avu | timob, there is also the lsof tool |
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| 10:46.34 | beardy | !wiui timob |
| 10:46.34 | dpkg | timob: When trying to umount a drive, and it's busy, or just to list which processes uses a certain thing, a device, a port, and so on, run lsof(8) or fuser(1), i e like this 'lsof /dev/cdrom' (as root) to see which process and user that's using it. Also ask me about "fuser" and "lsof" |
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| 10:46.59 | timob | avu: yeah but i am looking for actual IO being peformed rather than just an openned file |
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| 10:50.53 | zxxd | hello |
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| 10:54.56 | harpal | how to get cpu usage? |
| 10:55.57 | Ariana- | harpal try top? |
| 10:56.16 | harpal | Ariana-: ok |
| 10:57.08 | Ariana- | otherwise theres another cmmand i had to look up mpstat |
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| 10:58.17 | avu | timob, there is iotop to do that, but that only works with newer kernels (>= 2.6.20) |
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| 11:00.23 | zxxd | I have an issue with resolution using intel driuver , in etch-n-half |
| 11:00.30 | zxxd | i set 1024x768 Display section under Screen , but X runs with the first available mode xrandr reports which is 1280x768 |
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| 11:00.39 | zxxd | in Xorg.log |
| 11:00.41 | zxxd | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:00.47 | zxxd | why isn't it using 1024x768 |
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| 11:03.22 | timob | avu: sounds good is there a package for it? |
| 11:04.15 | jelly | timob: not in etch |
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| 11:06.55 | timob | avu: thanks ... very useful for me |
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| 11:08.57 | ndo | guys, if install debian testing i386, and do updates what is my kernel afterwards 486 or 686 ? cuz with this virtualbox-ose-modules installation i dont know anymore what is what. :( |
| 11:11.09 | stoffepojken | ndo: uname -a show you what kernel you got |
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| 11:13.13 | milligan_ | Problem: http://xna.multigan.com/pastebin/?page=view&id=1219311144 |
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| 11:14.55 | wols_ | ndo: depends what you install |
| 11:15.02 | ndo | stoffepojken: thanks. oke i've done uname -a and i see 486. But when i rebooted the systemi saw at the boot prompt thre choices, 484 then 686 and then 484 agane? is it normal that i have 486 now? shouldnt it be 686 maybe? i mean, ive downloaded and installed 386 and then i see 486 and 686. and im dissapointed what is what. What is difference between 486 and 686? |
| 11:15.27 | wols_ | ndo: compatibility for various hardware |
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| 11:15.51 | wols_ | the installerkernel is 486 cause the 686 wouldn't boot on pentiums for example |
| 11:16.04 | wols_ | and that'S why you have some of those installed |
| 11:16.15 | wols_ | boot the 686 one and if that works, uninstall the others |
| 11:16.39 | ndo | how do i uninstall them? |
| 11:16.46 | ndo | other choices |
| 11:17.18 | wols_ | you uninstall it like any other package |
| 11:17.52 | ndo | oh, hm, ok. i guess then i have to dont miss the package uninstall:) |
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| 11:18.05 | ndo | look if i do uname -a i get this |
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| 11:18.14 | ndo | Linux WhiteBox 2.6.26-1-486 #1 Fri Aug 8 18:05:01 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:18.43 | ndo | what for do i have there 686 before GNU/Linux? if there is shown 486 kernel |
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| 11:19.21 | wols_ | i686 is your cpu family. the cpu which currently runs this kernel |
| 11:19.32 | ndo | aha |
| 11:20.38 | ndo | iguess when i installed virtualbox i had to install some things like kernel modules, and changed my kernel from 686 to 486. posibleright? |
| 11:20.48 | jelly | ndo: uname -r will show just the kernel release. man uname |
| 11:21.20 | ndo | ok i know, ive saw it already ty |
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| 11:21.52 | ndo | just im asking myself if my cpu is 686 then i can have 686 kernel i guess |
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| 11:22.11 | ndo | does 686 means64bit? |
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| 11:22.25 | Somni | no |
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| 11:22.44 | ndo | whats the difference between 386 and 686? |
| 11:23.00 | wols_ | i386 vs. pentium pro and beyond |
| 11:23.13 | wols_ | i386 has no FPU, no MMX and some minor things |
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| 11:23.27 | Eulex | pentium pro hadn't got mmx either |
| 11:23.45 | Eulex | i386 may have an fpu coprocessor, an i387 |
| 11:23.54 | abrotman | i thought ppro did have mmx |
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| 11:24.00 | wols_ | but i386 did not |
| 11:24.13 | wols_ | secondary copro is not standard |
| 11:24.14 | abrotman | and i'm not turning on the ppro here to find out! |
| 11:24.49 | Eulex | abrotman, mmx was introduced with the pentium mmx, then pentium pro came out (being the new p6 arch, but didn't have mmx support), then pentium 2 (a p6 with mmx) was released |
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| 11:25.22 | wols_ | abrotman: Eulex is right about mmx |
| 11:25.49 | Eulex | and wols_ is right about the i387 |
| 11:26.40 | wols_ | wonders if debian still runs on 386 |
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| 11:26.53 | jelly | wols_: kernel notwithstanding? |
| 11:27.13 | wols_ | kernel and all. that's the important part |
| 11:27.21 | jelly | kernel wants 486 |
| 11:27.29 | Eulex | wols_, actually, from what I heard, the '386' kernels needs a 486 |
| 11:27.35 | Eulex | yeah |
| 11:27.39 | jelly | bswap and friends |
| 11:27.40 | wols_ | Eulex: we only have 486 kernels :) |
| 11:27.53 | wols_ | only palce there is a "i386" in debian is with the platform name |
| 11:28.06 | Eulex | well, there was 386 kernels |
| 11:28.20 | wols_ | not for etch :) sarge probably |
| 11:28.29 | Eulex | yeah |
| 11:28.33 | jelly | good riddance. |
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| 11:28.44 | jelly | I'd build everything for 686 anyway |
| 11:28.50 | wols_ | 386 was a nice cpu, especially what came before |
| 11:28.56 | wols_ | !gentoosmite jelly |
| 11:28.56 | dpkg | spends 6 weeks recompiling jelly, and when it's all done, jelly runs no faster than previously |
| 11:29.14 | Eulex | I guess there were a few "omg debian does not run on my 386 anymore" |
| 11:29.47 | ndo | so 386 is the name, but its actually 486, right?:)- |
| 11:29.49 | jelly | what cpus do they use in space these days? 486? |
| 11:30.07 | wols_ | ndo: i386 is the platform, not a "Name" |
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| 11:30.18 | ndo | i mean a namefor aplatform:) |
| 11:30.23 | wols_ | jelly: hardened P5 or RISCs |
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| 11:32.10 | ndo | oke, guys sry to interrupt discussion about cpu architectures. i found it also interesting. also thats what im styding now. just did a test monday. but next monday i have another test and its servers. so i have to test active directory and samba in virtual box. and i hope someone can help me a little bit :) |
| 11:32.11 | ndo | ohh, to spare some time i would say im not going to reinstall kernel and so on, illtell maybe whats the problem here is. if i start virtualbox guest system i get there install the virtualbox-ose-modules package for your kernel. and then run modprobe-vboxdrv.So what do i do now anyone? :) |
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| 11:33.13 | wols_ | ndo: what the helpful message told you |
| 11:33.33 | wols_ | ndo: tho you quoted it incorrectly |
| 11:33.41 | ndo | oke i got it , and message is also very helpful |
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| 11:33.56 | ndo | so if uname -a gives me: |
| 11:34.07 | ndo | Linux WhiteBox 2.6.26-1-486 #1 Fri Aug 8 18:05:01 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:34.26 | ndo | i see that i have toinstall ose modules for 486 right? |
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| 11:34.38 | wols_ | obviously |
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| 11:34.51 | xand | what does this mean in dmesg? :) lp0 on fire |
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| 11:35.12 | wols_ | that you should look for fire extinguishers |
| 11:35.15 | wols_ | and new hardware |
| 11:35.24 | xand | it's lying. |
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| 11:37.36 | wols_ | read the wikipedia entry xand |
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| 11:37.41 | xand | I did :| |
| 11:37.48 | xand | oh well I think I scrapped that printer |
| 11:38.22 | xand | was trying to work out why load average is constanty 1.00 |
| 11:38.29 | xand | machine is pretty much idle |
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| 11:38.57 | xand | !sarge->etch |
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| 11:39.20 | xand | what's the factoid for that? |
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| 11:39.52 | Eulex | dpkg, sarge->etch |
| 11:39.52 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> It's now time to put those upgrade plans into action as security support ended on 31 March 2008 (http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229). |
| 11:39.59 | Eulex | !test |
| 11:40.00 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 11:40.14 | Eulex | !? |
| 11:40.28 | xand | it doesn't work with ! anymore? |
| 11:40.34 | xand | !debian |
| 11:40.35 | dpkg | hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 11:40.37 | xand | odd |
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| 11:41.04 | xand | I've been putting off upgrading for ages :| |
| 11:41.08 | Eulex | !sarge->etch |
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| 11:41.15 | Eulex | eh, odd |
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| 11:41.21 | cafaro | I'm trying to reconfigure some hardware using: sudo dpkg -reconfigure, after that I fill in my root password and I'm 100% sure it's correct, but it doesn't seem so, any ideas? |
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| 11:41.24 | Eulex | xand, you really should upgrade |
| 11:41.35 | xand | next week |
| 11:41.48 | Eulex | cafaro, sudo doesn't ask for your root password |
| 11:41.54 | xand | not procrastinating; its users will be on holiday then |
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| 11:41.59 | Eulex | it asks for your user's password |
| 11:42.02 | cafaro | what does it ask for then? |
| 11:42.11 | cafaro | ok |
| 11:42.11 | xand | sudo is crap and asks for your password |
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| 11:42.18 | xand | assuming you have been setup for it. |
| 11:42.21 | ndo | yoohooo it works:) |
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| 11:42.39 | ndo | but! illsee what it says after reboot, like the past time |
| 11:42.49 | cafaro | how can I setup my user account to use sudo then |
| 11:42.55 | xand | !sudo |
| 11:42.55 | dpkg | methinks sudo is (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>) |
| 11:43.35 | ndo | i like sudomore then su |
| 11:43.54 | ndo | maybe because im used to it using it in ubuntu |
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| 11:44.27 | mcgreg | hi |
| 11:44.30 | ndo | but now, finally, ive switched to better something, debian, and here default i tont quite see sudo working:) |
| 11:44.46 | ndo | but if its debian way , then its my way i guess:) |
| 11:45.14 | mcgreg | I've just bought an Acer Extense laptop with 802.11b/g WLAN. how do I detect if debian recognises the hardware and how do I activate it (the easiest way) |
| 11:45.21 | wols_ | ndo: debian has too many old curmudgeons like me to migrate over to sudo |
| 11:45.26 | wols_ | even when it's a good idea |
| 11:45.39 | ndo | :D |
| 11:45.44 | wols_ | mcgreg: lspci lsusb |
| 11:46.26 | jelly | sudo rules. |
| 11:46.44 | jelly | sudo is also older than debian. |
| 11:46.52 | ndo | brbr, rebooting to is if after reboot virtualbox is going to keep working:) |
| 11:46.55 | mcgreg | wols_: well, what should it show me? I checked and it show me the ethernet controller and a network controller .. I suppose the is a BCM4310 USB controller - it tells |
| 11:47.14 | wols_ | mcgreg: yes that it is. sucky device |
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| 11:47.25 | mcgreg | and it seems there is no driver for it |
| 11:47.28 | wols_ | mcgreg: ndiswrapper only for 4310 IIRC |
| 11:47.33 | mcgreg | bah |
| 11:47.59 | mcgreg | bu well, this isnt *my* laptop, I wll only install/configure it |
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| 11:48.16 | wols_ | ev en worse. you have to make it work |
| 11:48.34 | xand | no |
| 11:48.37 | mcgreg | I see this will be great fun |
| 11:48.38 | xand | er |
| 11:48.50 | xand | doesn't that work with bm43 or whatever it's called now? |
| 11:49.00 | xand | !b43 |
| 11:49.00 | dpkg | it has been said that b43 is the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g and 802.11a wireless chipsets (http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43), included since kernel 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported. For a list of supported devices, see http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43/devices Legacy BCM43xx devices are supported by the <b43legacy> driver. See also <which b43>. |
| 11:49.01 | wols_ | not the 10 variant |
| 11:49.04 | xand | oh |
| 11:49.10 | wols_ | IIRC |
| 11:49.11 | mcgreg | great |
| 11:49.25 | mcgreg | hmm when I load the kernel module, it should tell me, right? |
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| 11:50.00 | wols_ | what should it tell where? |
| 11:50.09 | mcgreg | if it found any hardware? |
| 11:50.19 | karme | any debian+ruby expert can tell me how to cope with ruby gems? is there a tool to create debian packages from gems? |
| 11:50.25 | wols_ | sure, but where do you want to see it? |
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| 11:51.12 | ndo | back |
| 11:51.22 | ndo | and its same agane |
| 11:51.30 | mcgreg | wols_: my experience is, if you load a kernel driver for a hardware that doesnt exist, either it fails otr totally nothing happens. if you have the correct hardware you get some answer - perhaps it was only pure coincidence for now ;) |
| 11:52.09 | ndo | when i reinstall virtual box i try it directly and it works, but when now i rebooted and start it up, i get the same install ose modules msg |
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| 11:55.29 | ndo | what a little star on a selected package in a synapticmeans? |
| 11:56.30 | ndo | am i alone? |
| 11:56.32 | ndo | :) |
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| 11:56.56 | mcgreg | no, 813 are just idling ;) |
| 11:56.59 | Nyle | hey |
| 11:57.06 | jelly | hey hey |
| 11:57.12 | Nyle | HAPPY MOTHER FUCKING BIRTHDAY GODDAMIT |
| 11:57.12 | ndo | guys, anyone |
| 11:57.17 | ndo | what a little star on a selected package in a synaptic means? |
| 11:57.18 | Nyle | YAY |
| 11:57.25 | Nyle | throws colores cenfetti around the rom |
| 11:57.28 | jelly | Nyle: ? |
| 11:57.37 | jelly | Nyle: you're late a week or so |
| 11:57.46 | Nyle | jelly, I just came around |
| 11:57.52 | Nyle | I've been busy with work latey |
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| 11:58.56 | ndo | whats the difference between "markfor removal" and "mark for complete removal" ? |
| 11:59.05 | abrotman | remove vs purge ? |
| 11:59.07 | Nyle | complete = config |
| 11:59.10 | Nyle | yes |
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| 11:59.13 | abrotman | i'm sure synaptic has documentation you can read |
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| 11:59.52 | Nyle | mmm |
| 11:59.57 | infinity0 | err.... i've got a very strange problem... it seems my keyboard is generating an "alt" keypress every few seconds :| |
| 12:00.08 | Nyle | infinity0, possession! |
| 12:00.09 | infinity0 | it opens the file menu in OOo |
| 12:00.22 | Nyle | infinity0, try to hti the alt key hard a few tiems |
| 12:00.27 | Nyle | maybe its stuck |
| 12:00.30 | infinity0 | and if i hold now shift eventually the language changes |
| 12:00.34 | infinity0 | hmm ok |
| 12:00.53 | infinity0 | i had a pote at it yesterday it's till roke though |
| 12:00.55 | ndo | abrotman: thank you for suggestion. i like to read. Very mutch. But first of all i prefer reading Bible. and second i dont quite have time right now for that. I hope your short answer that helped me somutch, and im so thatnkfullfor wasnt to difficult. :) |
| 12:00.56 | infinity0 | poke* |
| 12:01.19 | infinity0 | wtf is ndo a spam bot or something |
| 12:01.23 | Nyle | ndo, I like to read the penthouse forum. |
| 12:01.30 | jelly | infinity0: which window manager (or desktop env.) are you using? |
| 12:01.32 | Nyle | why does it matter to #debian wtf you read? |
| 12:01.36 | Nyle | oof! |
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| 12:01.46 | milligan_ | 7-57/10 * * * * <- When will that cron execute ? |
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| 12:02.11 | infinity0 | jelly: xfwm4, but everything was fine until a few days ago |
| 12:02.20 | Nyle | infinity0, any updates? |
| 12:02.33 | Nyle | infinity0, have you checked the bts? |
| 12:02.34 | infinity0 | i am using 2 keyboards at once, but it was fine the first few days of that setup |
| 12:02.40 | ndo | Nyle: ty, now i know what is complete removal, but i am still intrested what a littlestar on a selected package means?:) |
| 12:02.43 | jelly | milligan_: 7, 17, 27 ... 57th minute every hour |
| 12:02.47 | infinity0 | Ð´Ñ Ñал ло |
| 12:02.47 | infinity0 | dammit |
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| 12:02.51 | milligan_ | thanks |
| 12:02.57 | Nyle | ndo, package mangers docs like abortman said |
| 12:03.00 | chrome | woot my busybox linux boots |
| 12:03.05 | infinity0 | no but there's benn no updates to any of my software |
| 12:03.09 | Nyle | ndo, otherwise if you like aptitude I can help you |
| 12:03.09 | jelly | milligan_: man 5 crontab |
| 12:03.16 | Nyle | my aptitude-foo is getting stronger! |
| 12:03.17 | ndo | abrotman toldmetortfmto what i responded i read bible instead tfm:) |
| 12:03.19 | Nyle | by the day |
| 12:03.21 | abrotman | Nyle: that'd be funnier if i didn't highlight on it |
| 12:03.26 | infinity0 | also sometimos the ctrl key sticks, and i have to press both ctrl keys to unstick it |
| 12:03.42 | Nyle | heh |
| 12:03.49 | Nyle | oh |
| 12:03.53 | jelly | infinity0: I knew it'd be xfce. |
| 12:03.58 | abrotman | of course .. it's just sad at this point |
| 12:03.58 | Nyle | abrotman, oops! I mean abrotman |
| 12:04.08 | infinity0 | but it's been fine! i've been using it for ever |
| 12:04.10 | Nyle | I was typing quickly and didnn't tab |
| 12:04.14 | Nyle | sue me! |
| 12:04.17 | infinity0 | and i'm using GNOME |
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| 12:04.23 | jelly | infinity0: it sometimes stucks Control or Super for me as well |
| 12:04.28 | infinity0 | with xfwm4 |
| 12:04.29 | infinity0 | cos metacity is shit |
| 12:04.32 | Nyle | jelly, thats what I said |
| 12:04.44 | jelly | infinity0: I'd try changing the wm |
| 12:04.45 | Nyle | infinity0, try a diff keybaord |
| 12:04.49 | Nyle | just for the fuck of it |
| 12:04.50 | ndo | Nyle, yes i love aptitude, but i dont know the way how to see in aptitude a packeges i have installed and how to remove them :) |
| 12:04.59 | Nyle | ndo, yes you do |
| 12:05.02 | infinity0 | but this problem only started a few days ago, and it happens like every 30s |
| 12:05.08 | Nyle | ndo, take a little time to skim the aptitude docs |
| 12:05.12 | Nyle | !aptitude howto |
| 12:05.14 | Nyle | no? |
| 12:05.19 | Nyle | should be one... |
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| 12:05.30 | Nyle | fuck it, just read the man page |
| 12:05.39 | infinity0 | well i've got a extra kb attach to my laptop, but if i c/c it and use the other one it,s still not ok |
| 12:05.41 | Nyle | !installed |
| 12:05.41 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 12:05.45 | infinity0 | use the laptop one* |
| 12:05.46 | jelly | infinity0: hm, that is quite different than my symptoms. ok, it might not be xfwm4's fault. I'd still try something else |
| 12:06.08 | Nyle | like a diff keybaord |
| 12:06.09 | infinity0 | is there something i can run to tell me the src of these kpresses? |
| 12:06.10 | Nyle | perhaps |
| 12:06.15 | Nyle | infinity0, xev |
| 12:06.18 | Nyle | in X |
| 12:06.18 | infinity0 | i can't it's a laptop |
| 12:06.45 | infinity0 | kk, running it now, ty |
| 12:07.00 | Nyle | word |
| 12:07.20 | infinity0 | can i get it to ignore the mouse? |
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| 12:07.48 | Nyle | don't move the mouse |
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| 12:07.53 | infinity0 | ok i've captured a ghost keypress can someone look at it? |
| 12:08.02 | Nyle | pastebin it |
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| 12:08.15 | infinity0 | yah |
| 12:08.25 | Nyle | 2 horus till work |
| 12:08.27 | Nyle | ugh. |
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| 12:08.31 | infinity0 | http://pastebin.com/d4c2d82dd |
| 12:08.56 | pbn | Hi there, any apt-cacher users in here ? Please raise their hand.... |
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| 12:09.02 | Nyle | 64 |
| 12:09.47 | Nyle | !tell pbn -about ask |
| 12:10.20 | pbn | ah :) |
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| 12:11.47 | pbn | Ok here's the question... I'd like to find a way to measure how much space is used per release/architecture in an apt-cache mirror. It appears nobody has done that before. I'm looking for more information on apt-cacher, but there's nothing aobut that. Also I've googled for an apt-cacher mailing list but it appears there is no such thing.... |
| 12:13.02 | Nyle | infinity0, there are no problems |
| 12:13.10 | Nyle | you are sending the correct keycode for the correct key |
| 12:13.16 | Nyle | it seems like a stuck key or something |
| 12:13.22 | infinity0 | yeah it says the same thing when i do a manual press |
| 12:13.28 | Nyle | (at least to my understanding) |
| 12:13.33 | infinity0 | but it happens even if i take out the key |
| 12:13.37 | Nyle | hmm |
| 12:13.43 | Nyle | weird |
| 12:13.47 | Nyle | probably beyond my skill level |
| 12:13.49 | Nyle | :( |
| 12:13.53 | infinity0 | would it be a rogue program doing it? |
| 12:14.10 | Nyle | I'm not sure |
| 12:14.17 | aleks | hi, when i try to open a web page in firefox it takes a few second (5-10) to show it...the status bar displays "searching www.webpage.com"...what can cause this delay? maybe a misconfiguration of the network? |
| 12:14.18 | Nyle | are you expecting many programs to become rogue? |
| 12:14.24 | DawnLight | is there a 'lightscribe' thingy for linux? |
| 12:14.40 | infinity0 | i guess not |
| 12:14.42 | Nyle | aleks, firefox is not supported here. |
| 12:14.48 | Nyle | DawnLight, search? |
| 12:14.56 | Nyle | DawnLight, maybe k3b or gnome-baker could do it? |
| 12:15.06 | aleks | Nyle, i also use epiphany, the same thing happen |
| 12:15.10 | DawnLight | i am seearching and asking at the same time :0 ! |
| 12:15.16 | Nyle | aleks, router in the middle? |
| 12:15.24 | Nyle | aleks, increase your DNS cache time and cache space perhaps? |
| 12:15.27 | DawnLight | them lightscribe cd's are expensive! |
| 12:15.30 | aleks | Nyle, yes router in the middle |
| 12:15.38 | Nyle | aleks, so that it doesn't try to resolve the name and wait for it |
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| 12:16.13 | Nyle | I don't use epiphany so I don't know how to increase its size dns cache, and/or your router's |
| 12:16.16 | aleks | Nyle, yes but with the same router on a different pc that works fine |
| 12:16.18 | Nyle | but thats what you probably have to do |
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| 12:16.44 | Nyle | aleks, diff pc has same software? |
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| 12:17.10 | aleks | no Nyle it has win vista unfortunately:( |
| 12:17.40 | Nyle | aleks, google how to increase iceweasel's default DNS cache/time |
| 12:17.49 | Nyle | and your router's as well (just check it) |
| 12:18.01 | Nyle | its probably on the pc end, you have to do it on anyway |
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| 12:18.12 | aleks | thank you Nyle |
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| 12:18.15 | Nyle | aleks, there is an extention called 'fasterfox' that lets you adjust these settings manually eaisly |
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| 12:18.21 | Nyle | aleks, or try about:config 'dns' |
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| 12:19.12 | aleks | is it possibile to set it through the configuration page of my router? |
| 12:19.19 | Nyle | yes |
| 12:19.25 | Nyle | more than likely... |
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| 12:19.38 | aleks | i'll do that |
| 12:20.06 | Nyle | awww |
| 12:20.14 | Nyle | I droped my phone and broke the display |
| 12:20.15 | Nyle | ! |
| 12:20.19 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 12:20.28 | Nyle | fuck. |
| 12:20.30 | wols_ | mcgreg: no message means no error. usually drivers only output something in the kernel.log |
| 12:21.14 | mcgreg | wols_: unfortunately nothing interessting. looks like MUCH more work is needed |
| 12:21.31 | wols_ | what module did you load? |
| 12:21.32 | aleks | Nyle, it also takes a while to show the router configuration |
| 12:21.35 | Nyle | what is a good cli editor for source code? |
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| 12:21.45 | Nyle | something with good editing features, maybe macros |
| 12:22.05 | wols_ | emacs, vim... |
| 12:22.33 | Nyle | something that can also pref. has inline autocompletion of code based on what you typed earlier like variable names, arrays, constructs, etc. etc. |
| 12:22.41 | Nyle | is using nano atm! |
| 12:23.13 | jelly | vim is the generic answer |
| 12:23.14 | Nyle | and of course hopefully something that has xml and php completion |
| 12:23.23 | Nyle | jelly, with the features that I require? |
| 12:23.40 | wols_ | vim and emacs can do everything. and more |
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| 12:23.51 | Nyle | uhuh |
| 12:23.51 | jelly | completion yes, not sure about autocompletion |
| 12:23.52 | ndo | yeah, ive fixed it. my virtualbox guest wasnt running because i had installed ose-modules for 486 and 686, and the wrong one was chosen, so i uninstalled 686 ones and is ok now :) |
| 12:24.04 | Nyle | there is a war among those two |
| 12:24.07 | Nyle | I've not used either |
| 12:24.12 | Nyle | which one should I go with? |
| 12:24.12 | curious101 | hi, anyone familiar with the ENV command? |
| 12:24.17 | Nyle | curious101, just ask! |
| 12:24.19 | wols_ | !anyone | curious101 |
| 12:24.29 | Nyle | wols_, does that actually work on dpkg now? |
| 12:24.34 | Nyle | !anyone | Nyle |
| 12:24.35 | jelly | wols_: does that syntax work? |
| 12:24.41 | Nyle | nope |
| 12:24.47 | curious101 | my task is to set a HOST variable. how do I do this? |
| 12:24.47 | Nyle | thats an ubuntu thingy |
| 12:24.54 | jelly | !tell curious101 -about anyone |
| 12:24.59 | Nyle | curious101, export HOST |
| 12:25.02 | Nyle | man bash |
| 12:25.07 | Nyle | or set |
| 12:25.15 | wols_ | unfortunately not. but it's a good syntax! |
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| 12:25.25 | curious101 | Nyle, isn't this the same as the hostname? |
| 12:25.35 | Nyle | curious101, is it? |
| 12:25.41 | jelly | curious101: what are you really trying to do? |
| 12:25.44 | Nyle | I've no earthly idea |
| 12:25.51 | Nyle | if so, then man hostname |
| 12:25.54 | curious101 | because my employer's issue was that the HOST variable isn't showing when he issues the env command |
| 12:26.09 | curious101 | in FreeBSD, the HOST variable is shown. |
| 12:26.33 | Nyle | curious101, I don't think debian does that |
| 12:26.39 | Nyle | I've never seen it, ever |
| 12:26.48 | curious101 | I have already set /etc/hostname as the name he wants |
| 12:26.55 | Nyle | but you can set it if you want, and I don't think its related to hostname in debian |
| 12:27.09 | curious101 | so I was thinking if it is already set automatically |
| 12:27.16 | Nyle | I don't think so |
| 12:27.35 | curious101 | ah |
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| 12:28.00 | curious101 | in man env, I don't see any command to add a variable to env |
| 12:28.23 | wols_ | curious101: cause env is for displaying the evnironment only |
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| 12:28.35 | wols_ | you always set vars via your shell |
| 12:28.36 | abrotman | curious101: you could set it in his profile |
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| 12:28.47 | Nyle | I'm getting a server from dell and its going to be windows server 03 os. I want to run debian on it, but they won't let me, natively. But I can in a virtual machine |
| 12:28.53 | Nyle | whats the best way to virtualize debian on server 03 on a brand spankin server |
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| 12:29.05 | Nyle | poweredge 3900 III fully loaded |
| 12:29.09 | wols_ | Nyle: ask ##windows |
| 12:29.30 | Nyle | why? |
| 12:29.45 | wols_ | cause why should we know what a good VM for windows is? or care |
| 12:30.01 | zorrolero | curious101: you can add this variable with "export HOST=$HOSTNAME" |
| 12:30.02 | Nyle | I'm sure #debian would have more people in it who try to use debian on other os, instead of a channel about another os |
| 12:30.15 | wols_ | not if you run the OTHER OS |
| 12:30.29 | Nyle | wols_, but thats the question |
| 12:30.32 | abrotman | Nyle: yes, but your virtualization software has to run on windows .. if we told you to use 'kvm' .. that wouldn't work very well |
| 12:30.35 | Nyle | should I xen a debian? |
| 12:30.40 | Nyle | and then run server 03 on top |
| 12:30.41 | Nyle | ? |
| 12:31.02 | wols_ | abrotman: good idea. |
| 12:31.11 | wols_ | Nyle: we suggest you run kvm. it's da best |
| 12:31.16 | wols_ | perfect debian answer |
| 12:31.34 | Nyle | but if I were to run debian natively, and then virtualize another os |
| 12:31.40 | Nyle | maybe that would be better for performance |
| 12:31.52 | Nyle | I'd really rather not let them run windows natively, I'll fight it |
| 12:32.00 | wols_ | depends where you want to run your server apps |
| 12:32.03 | wols_ | under what OS |
| 12:32.19 | abrotman | you're assuming the server can even run linux |
| 12:32.27 | abrotman | not smart with dell hardware |
| 12:32.29 | jelly | curious101: do they actually need the variable, or are just curious? :-) It's normal. |
| 12:32.29 | Nyle | we're gonna find out |
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| 12:33.04 | wols_ | but if they don't want you to run debian on it, a Server03 VM won't make them happy is my guess |
| 12:33.06 | Nyle | obviously I'm going to image the server beforehand, but you have problems with debian and dell servers? is it known? |
| 12:34.00 | Nyle | only one above me is my boss, and he listens to me a lot, he just doesn't know anything about linux and its ok, hes learning slowly, but I'm sure he won't refuse totally if I tell him I can virtualize an os |
| 12:34.26 | Nyle | its goig to be LAMP, file server, thats probably about it |
| 12:34.27 | abrotman | s/debian and// |
| 12:34.43 | Nyle | ahh |
| 12:34.44 | Nyle | yes yes |
| 12:35.05 | curious101 | zorrolero: thanks, i'll try that command. |
| 12:35.10 | Nyle | I've heard poweredge 3900 III works with debian without a problem |
| 12:35.20 | Nyle | the hardware has no issues and there exist drivers |
| 12:35.27 | curious101 | @abrotman: we are using root |
| 12:35.41 | abrotman | using root for what? |
| 12:35.51 | jelly | fun and profit |
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| 12:36.22 | dto | hi |
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| 12:36.29 | sly007 | Hello, what's the difference between debian-40r4a-amd64-netinst.iso and debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-amd64-netinst.iso ? |
| 12:36.40 | themill | !etchnhalf |
| 12:36.41 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf, or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 12:37.18 | dto | i'm having trouble with getting HAL to find and mount external USB HDDs (of various fs types) as they are connected. it works fine for SD cards and memory sticks, just not for USB HDDs. |
| 12:37.24 | dto | they don't show up in lshal |
| 12:37.25 | sly007 | Which one should I use? |
| 12:37.29 | abrotman | whichever you like |
| 12:38.08 | jelly | sly007: the installer kernel, 2.6.18 vs. 2.6.24. If you can use the normal one to install, try the etchnhalf one |
| 12:38.08 | wols_ | and whichever supports your hardware |
| 12:38.08 | jelly | can't* |
| 12:38.08 | jelly | meh. |
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| 12:39.14 | sly007 | jelly: why et/quit |
| 12:39.22 | jelly | sly007: if your hardware is <12 months old, use the etchnhalf one |
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| 12:48.47 | Similian | I have a casesensitive installer for some software but the files are mixed upper case lower case ... is there a tool to turn all files to lowercase? |
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| 12:57.23 | unop | Similian, rename 's/(.*)/"\L$1"/e' * |
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| 12:59.05 | avu | rename 'tr/A-Z/a-z/' * for a slightly more readable variant :) |
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| 13:03.24 | themill | avu: where's the fun in readable perl? |
| 13:04.17 | avu | themill, ok, to be more in line with the perl mindset, I should have said 'shorter' rather than 'more readable' :) |
| 13:04.26 | themill | heh |
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| 13:05.31 | themill | I guess that \L would also behave with non-ascii stuff though... e.g. à => é etc which would be missed by the tr approach. |
| 13:06.04 | Somni | rename '$_ = lc' * |
| 13:06.36 | avu | themill, \L does not behave 'right' with umlauts here either |
| 13:06.45 | avu | also, somni wins :) |
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| 13:06.55 | Somni | that just means your locale isn't setup to treat umlaut as a letter |
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| 13:07.14 | Somni | also, s/(.*)/\L$1/ |
| 13:07.29 | avu | yeah, the e flag even breaks it, right? |
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| 13:07.42 | Somni | no, he quoted it, it's just not necessary |
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| 13:08.09 | avu | ah, right, it just breaks without the quotes, with it it will just be a string literal when eval()ed |
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| 13:15.30 | sofiane | hello i am partionning my server he has 250GO, i want to use it as a web servern and proxy server, can you advice me for the partitionning |
| 13:15.33 | sofiane | thank you |
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| 13:15.53 | sofiane | i heard i don t need space for the / partition |
| 13:15.56 | joltcan | sofiane: If this is your first server then I would recommend you just do one partition |
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| 13:16.05 | sofiane | joltcan, no it s not my 1st |
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| 13:16.22 | Somni | well, if you have to ask, best to just use one big partition |
| 13:16.31 | joltcan | sofiane: Ok. Then use a few gig for the system and the rest for /var |
| 13:16.32 | sofiane | lol ok |
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| 13:16.43 | sofiane | ok just a question |
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| 13:17.00 | sofiane | the space i use for the "/" will be use for the /etc for example? |
| 13:17.03 | joltcan | It doesn't matter that much these days, if there isn't a specific need of separating everything by partition for some other reason |
| 13:17.09 | joltcan | sofiane: exactly |
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| 13:17.46 | brusqe | Is it possible to transplate raid arrays from one box to another box? |
| 13:17.56 | sofiane | then if i have this scheme / /var /usr |
| 13:17.58 | brusqe | (Software raid that is) |
| 13:18.02 | abrotman | brusqe: should be |
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| 13:18.30 | sofiane | the directory /etc and /home will be attached to the "/" mounted point |
| 13:18.37 | joltcan | brusqe: I think there even is some notes about that in the raid howto, but it was years since I read it, so YMMV |
| 13:19.39 | sofiane | right? |
| 13:19.46 | brusqe | abrotman, I had two drives in a raid 1 mirror - The case they were in got taken back by the IT department, but in theory, I should be able to plug the drives into a new box and access the data? |
| 13:20.04 | brusqe | I'm guessing along the lines of mdadm --assemble? |
| 13:20.07 | abrotman | brusqe: if you setup the raid array correctly .. i wouldn't see why not |
| 13:20.11 | abrotman | !swraid |
| 13:20.12 | dpkg | software raid is probably commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html also see http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html or see section 6.3.2.2 of the <ig> |
| 13:20.36 | brusqe | Is that the howto joltcan mentioned? |
| 13:20.40 | brusqe | reads up on it |
| 13:21.05 | sofiane | really what is the max needed for a swap partition? |
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| 13:21.17 | sofiane | don t say me the double of my ram plz cause i think it s stupide |
| 13:21.18 | abrotman | depends on what you'll use the system for |
| 13:21.21 | sofiane | i have 4 gigaz |
| 13:21.22 | joltcan | sofiane: memory * 2 |
| 13:21.25 | abrotman | gigaz? |
| 13:21.31 | joltcan | Is what I usually do |
| 13:21.34 | wols_ | sofiane: there is no max |
| 13:21.37 | sofiane | 4 giga memory |
| 13:21.43 | joltcan | there is no min either |
| 13:21.50 | abrotman | depends on what you'll use the system for |
| 13:21.51 | sofiane | then i will need 8 giga of swap |
| 13:21.55 | joltcan | but less then memory can be bad if something needs to be swapped out |
| 13:21.55 | sofiane | it s too much man? |
| 13:22.01 | stew | sofiane: you don't need 8 gigs of swap |
| 13:22.06 | abrotman | yes, but 8GB can be bad |
| 13:22.10 | joltcan | sofiane: Go with 4 to be sure |
| 13:22.26 | sofiane | thank you ^^ |
| 13:22.45 | sofiane | logical or primary partition for a swap? |
| 13:22.59 | sofiane | the other i know but for the swap dunno what is usual |
| 13:22.59 | stew | sofiane: doesn't matter |
| 13:23.06 | sofiane | logical i think |
| 13:23.09 | abrotman | didn't we do this the other day? |
| 13:23.16 | joltcan | sofiane: I would go with swap as primary first, then another primary for the rest |
| 13:23.41 | joltcan | but that is just because I usually do it like that |
| 13:23.46 | abrotman | it sounds like he's only going to have three partition |
| 13:23.47 | abrotman | s |
| 13:23.48 | delta9thc1 | anyone know ftp server on debian? any suggestion? |
| 13:23.48 | sofiane | joltcan, lol ok |
| 13:23.50 | abrotman | !lvm |
| 13:23.51 | dpkg | i heard lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:23.56 | abrotman | delta9thc1: either vsftpd or proftpd |
| 13:24.12 | abrotman | sofiane: you may want to read up on LVM if partition size is a problem for you |
| 13:24.15 | abrotman | sounds like spam |
| 13:24.16 | delta9thc1 | thx,i'll try |
| 13:24.30 | joltcan | delta9thc1: I really like pure-ftpd |
| 13:24.33 | brusqe | appreciates abrotmans spam. |
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| 13:24.57 | brusqe | I honestly have no idea how to start recovering data from this disk in my hand. |
| 13:25.09 | brusqe | It used to be part of a raid array, and now it's not. |
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| 13:25.31 | joltcan | brusqe: raid 0/1/5/6? |
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| 13:25.43 | brusqe | joltcan, raid 1. |
| 13:25.49 | polter | what command can easily check what distro you're running.. say Testing och Unstable? |
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| 13:26.13 | JordiGH | polter: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:26.15 | joltcan | brusqe: then you should just plug it into another computer and mount the md partition and read it as usual |
| 13:26.31 | brusqe | that simple? |
| 13:26.33 | stew | debian_version doesn't differentiate testing from unstable |
| 13:26.44 | polter | stew, I realized that just now :) |
| 13:26.52 | wols_ | !version |
| 13:26.52 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 13:27.30 | brusqe | joltcan, so I wouldn't need to mess with mdadm and reassembling it, just mount /dev/md1 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1? |
| 13:27.40 | sofiane | thank you everyone for you help |
| 13:28.24 | brusqe | (or something to that extent) |
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| 13:29.10 | joltcan | brusqe: well, the point of raid1 is that it is a copy of the disk, so if you plug it in into another computer it would proably be found and then you can just mount the md device |
| 13:29.22 | ilembitov | Hi, all. I am using Debian Lenny on my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop and it doesn't recognize my CD/DVD drive as writable |
| 13:29.27 | ilembitov | What can I do? |
| 13:29.29 | joltcan | brusqe: But it also depends on the partition type on the disk |
| 13:30.08 | rdz | hi all. i am trying to mount a device, but 'mount' says, that it is already mounted. when i do 'umount', it says that it is not mounted. see: http://www.pastebin.ca/1180652 . any ideas? |
| 13:30.51 | idimmu | what does df -h say |
| 13:30.52 | polter | I might done a upgrade to Sid.. I want to track lenny.. do I have to reinstall or something? |
| 13:30.55 | stew | rdz: show us the output of just "mount" |
| 13:31.01 | abrotman | rdz: or the device is already mounted .. what's the output of 'mount' |
| 13:31.04 | brusqe | It was ext3, so would I try mounting it as an ext3 disk? Just ignoring it's history of being raid'd? (I thought something funky happened with superblocks, or some magic or something) |
| 13:31.08 | stew | rdz: it seems like that partition is mounted, but not in the location you are trying to unmount |
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| 13:31.54 | JordiGH | polter: I wouldn't worry too much about it. Right now lenny and sid have the same libc6, so they're almost the same in everything else. :-) |
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| 13:32.15 | polter | JordiGH, really? oh good. |
| 13:32.19 | abrotman | JordiGH: that's not a good plan |
| 13:32.19 | JordiGH | polter: But try changing your /etc/apt/sources.list to testing and see if aptitude complains. |
| 13:32.37 | polter | JordiGH, I really should be using aptitude shouldn't I? (Using apt-get right now) |
| 13:32.43 | abrotman | JordiGH: i'm sure there are many packages in sid that haven't gone to lenny .. and if he tracks lenny after release, he may not get security updates for those packages |
| 13:33.03 | stew | polter: apt-show-versions might be able to help tell what is what |
| 13:33.23 | rdz | stew, i tried to 'umount /dev/device', but it still says: not mounted |
| 13:33.30 | JordiGH | polter: Hm, aptitude is the recommended frontend, but if you've been using apt-get, then switching to aptitude might not be trivial. |
| 13:33.33 | abrotman | rdz: show us the output of 'mount' |
| 13:33.58 | brusqe | joltcan, It used to be an ext3 partition - so would you suggest mounting it as that? |
| 13:34.13 | JordiGH | polter: Yeah, try "apt-show-versions | grep unstable". How much unstable do you have? |
| 13:34.29 | rdz | abrotman, stew: http://www.pastebin.ca/1180656 |
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| 13:35.10 | stew | rdz: what does "readlink /dev/disk/by-id/usb-WDC_WD50_00AAVS-00ZTB0_DCA345236288-part1" return? |
| 13:35.17 | polter | JordiGH, ehm.. none.. but I did a search in synaptic yesterday and found quite a few installed packages from unstable I think |
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| 13:35.52 | dto | hi. i'm still having problems where USB HDD's won't mount automatically even though i have usbmount turned on. i connect SD cards and it mounts just fine. I connect HDDs via usb and they work and can be mounted from the command line, but do not come up by themselves even though XFCE is set to browse them. |
| 13:36.01 | dustybin | when a web based application gets hacked, does that usually mean the hacker only gets www-data rights? |
| 13:36.03 | rdz | stew, ../../sda1 |
| 13:36.19 | rdz | stew, i already tried /dev/sda1 directly, but i got the exact same result |
| 13:36.39 | Bushmills | dto, any file system, or just specific file systems which don't automount? |
| 13:36.40 | dto | then i run "udevadm trigger", and a minute later the windows on those drives appear. then it segfaults. |
| 13:36.51 | dto | well these are all ext3 external drives |
| 13:36.57 | dto | Bushmills: SD cards work fine. |
| 13:37.07 | JordiGH | polter: The unstable packages you might have found might match the testing versions. |
| 13:37.09 | abrotman | dustybin: you can't be sure |
| 13:37.35 | stew | rdz: does either /etc/mtab or /proc/mounts list that partition? |
| 13:37.40 | JordiGH | Btw, why is KDE 4.1 in experimental instead of in unstable with some RC bug like, "don't ship with lenny"? |
| 13:37.45 | polter | JordiGH, the application "software properties" keeps adding sid repos |
| 13:37.48 | stew | i can't remember which 'mount' looks at, probably /proc/mounts |
| 13:37.51 | dustybin | i really want to host my own webite from my own house but i just cannot figure out a secure way of doing it without using another box in a DMZ |
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| 13:38.09 | JordiGH | polter: Without your consent? That's a serious bug, if so. |
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| 13:38.17 | abrotman | dustybin: virtual machine? |
| 13:38.18 | rdz | stew, none of those |
| 13:38.19 | polter | I got a .26 kernel so that should have shown up when I did apt-show-version |
| 13:38.36 | stew | JordiGH: so that packages can be uploaded to unstable in order to fix bugs in lenny |
| 13:38.45 | dustybin | abrotman: what kind of virtualization do you recommend? |
| 13:38.51 | abrotman | dustybin: the one you like |
| 13:38.55 | dustybin | vmare or xen ? |
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| 13:39.00 | abrotman | there are others |
| 13:39.07 | abrotman | kvm and qemu come to mind |
| 13:39.09 | abrotman | virtualbox |
| 13:39.17 | JordiGH | polter: You've got a .26 kernel *installed*? |
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| 13:39.23 | abrotman | JordiGH: that's in sid |
| 13:39.35 | polter | JordiGH, yep. running it now |
| 13:40.11 | JordiGH | polter: That's weird. And apt-show-versions says it's a testing kernel? |
| 13:40.25 | stew | JordiGH: lets say for instance, that they uploaded a 4.1 package to unstable, then the 3.5 package in lenny ended up with some RC bug that needed to be fixed, then they couldn't upload an version < 4.1 to unstable in order to fix the bug without doing something nasty like introducing a new epoch |
| 13:40.42 | JordiGH | stew: Yeah, makes sense. |
| 13:40.58 | polter | JordiGH, linux-image-2.6.26-1-686/unknown uptodate 2.6.26-2 |
| 13:41.03 | polter | unknown? wtf :P |
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| 13:41.23 | dto | i'm on lenny. should i switch to sid? i was usually pretty comfortable with running the testing |
| 13:41.31 | stew | dto: no |
| 13:41.32 | dustybin | i tried vserver ages ago, that seemed to do a good job |
| 13:41.43 | polter | oh yeah.. when doing apt-show-versions | grep "unknown" I get a load of packages |
| 13:41.52 | dustybin | vserver = qemu ? |
| 13:42.04 | JordiGH | polter: Are you using non-Debian repos or something? |
| 13:42.13 | polter | JordiGH, yeah a couple |
| 13:42.15 | ktwilight_ | what is used to build debian releases? simple-cdd? |
| 13:42.25 | polter | JordiGH, or no.. they are for debian but not official |
| 13:42.26 | dto | i have another question. is there a standard procedure for "i want to upgrade to the svn version of this one application"? for example i want to run the newest XFCE from svn... should i just uninstall the xfce stuff and then build from svn? |
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| 13:42.49 | JordiGH | polter: "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.26-1-686" says what? |
| 13:43.02 | abrotman | dto: /msg dpkg stow .. /msg dpkg checkinstall |
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| 13:43.15 | wols_ | dto: one (bad way). or you make debian packages of xfce which is prefered but more work |
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| 13:43.41 | polter | JordiGH, http://pastebin.com/m56c1d25f |
| 13:44.05 | polter | I might have been using backports repo |
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| 13:45.40 | delta9thc1 | i have to use ftp server with virtual users,each user extracted from mysql database should have own folder |
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| 13:47.00 | JordiGH | polter: Oh. I think I see why it says "unknown". You removed unstable from your sources.list |
| 13:47.07 | polter | JordiGH, yep |
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| 13:48.46 | polter | JordiGH, I'm pulling Testing DVD1 now.. that's probably the way to go, right? |
| 13:48.57 | JordiGH | polter: You don't mind reinstalling? |
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| 13:49.30 | stew | polter: why? |
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| 13:49.50 | dustybin | if i install xen on my home server, would i still be able to install the nvidia kernel onto it? |
| 13:50.08 | polter | well, I don't want to start using this laptop for serious work then get stability issues |
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| 13:51.02 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 13:51.26 | JordiGH | uses lenny for serious work but still deals with occasional stability issues. |
| 13:51.40 | stew | polter: then you'd want to install stable, not testing |
| 13:51.40 | gypsymauro | there is a way to have the list of dorectory ordered by size on console? showing maybe size too:) |
| 13:51.46 | JordiGH | Mostly of the kind, "my mouse goes crazy" sort of issues. |
| 13:51.46 | dustybin | i mean, i know you need to install a xen kernel on the host, am i allowed to install the nvidia driver using a xen kernel used on the host? |
| 13:51.50 | kd8ikt | du |
| 13:51.50 | polter | stew, but then my sound won't work |
| 13:51.57 | polter | my sound doesn't work in stable |
| 13:51.59 | JordiGH | polter: .24 kernel? |
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| 13:52.05 | JordiGH | polter: backport a .24 kernel. |
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| 13:52.10 | JordiGH | from backports.org |
| 13:52.13 | polter | JordiGH, i did that but it didn't help |
| 13:52.16 | stew | JordiGH: stable already has a .24 kernel |
| 13:52.25 | stew | polter: did you try the 2.6.25 kernel from backports.org? |
| 13:52.28 | JordiGH | stew: Oh, is etchnhalf officially stable now? |
| 13:52.32 | polter | stew, yep I did that too |
| 13:52.32 | stew | JordiGH: yes |
| 13:52.33 | polter | didn't work |
| 13:52.36 | themill | gypsymauro: man ls, look at the -S option. |
| 13:52.44 | stew | polter: you can use the lenny kernel in stable |
| 13:53.03 | stew | polter: if you really want lenny, you should pretty much be there now |
| 13:53.11 | themill | stew: aren't there a few acpi-related problems with the lenny kernel in etch? |
| 13:53.22 | stew | themill: dunno |
| 13:53.23 | polter | stew, what do you mean I pretty much should be there now? |
| 13:53.47 | stew | polter: i would guess that most of the packages you have installed now are from lenny |
| 13:53.48 | gypsymauro | themill: it seems it wors just on file |
| 13:53.52 | stew | polter: did apt-show-versions not agree? |
| 13:54.13 | gypsymauro | themill: I need to sort directories |
| 13:54.27 | polter | stew, I got a bunch of sid packages too |
| 13:55.14 | themill | !dbugs 484779 |
| 13:55.19 | dpkg | #:N[#484779] ; |
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| 13:55.36 | stew | polter: which? many could probably be downgraded |
| 13:55.49 | polter | stew, xorg among others |
| 13:56.15 | stew | that could be downgraded |
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| 13:57.03 | polter | stew, how do I downgrade stuff? |
| 13:57.17 | stew | polter: aptitude install package=version ; or use the aptitude frontend |
| 13:57.43 | polter | stew, ok, I'll give it a try |
| 13:58.41 | themill | dondelelcaro: dpkg doesn't like your recent changes to bugs.debian.org (dbugs doesn't include status info or bug title any more). |
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| 13:58.57 | stew | judd: bug 484779 |
| 13:59.00 | judd | stew: Bug #484779 (done) klaptopdaemon -- linux-image-2.6.25-2-amd64: enable access to acpi battery/ac info via (deprecated) /proc files; Severity: normal; Last Modified: 2008-08-06 18:57:03 |
| 13:59.22 | stew | i hooked a bot up to udd ^^ |
| 13:59.32 | themill | :) |
| 13:59.46 | stew | but its not going to stick around until i have a way to get to udd without requiring a ssh tunnel through master.debian.org |
| 13:59.54 | themill | we have a definite oversupply of bots atm |
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| 14:00.11 | stew | judd: versions klaptopdaemon |
| 14:00.13 | judd | stew: klaptopdaemon: 4:3.5.5-3etch1 (etch) 4:3.5.7-3~bpo.1 (etch) |
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| 14:00.54 | themill | stew: btw there are many other acpi related problems with the lenny kernels on etch machines. (Well, it's the same acpi problem but in many different packages!) |
| 14:00.57 | keith4 | ... judd? |
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| 14:01.18 | antgel | how can i log in as the same user as my current user, but use another .xsession file? the idea is that i'm now using ion as my WM, but i'd like to have wmaker running in another X session, in order to run certain apps with odd UIs |
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| 14:01.42 | antgel | i've read man startx and man X and don't see anything obviously helpful |
| 14:01.43 | keith4 | start another xsession on a different tty |
| 14:02.02 | stew | keith4: first name i could think of with 'udd' in the name (its a bot that queries udd: http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase/) |
| 14:02.06 | antgel | keith4: well, indeed that's what i want to do, but i can't work out the syntax |
| 14:02.27 | jelly | antgel: .xsession is a shell script, innit? why not test the value of $DISPLAY in it |
| 14:03.02 | antgel | jelly: sounds like an awful hack. i'll try it! :D |
| 14:03.45 | keith4 | antgel: fwiw, it's something like "startx -- :1: |
| 14:03.47 | jelly | case $DISPLAY in :1*) exec wmaker ;; |
| 14:03.54 | keith4 | crap. make that second : into a " |
| 14:04.17 | keith4 | jelly: beauty! |
| 14:04.27 | antgel | keith4: i know that. i want to do what jelly said ;) |
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| 14:04.36 | mesut | hi,just installed proftpd on debian etch, when i try to connect i get http://pastebin.com/m306157c2 |
| 14:04.48 | keith4 | stew: ah. i guess 'judd' is better than.... 'udder' |
| 14:05.01 | stew | antgel: i use wmanager to pop up a menu when x starts to give me a list of WMs to choose from, and I run it in a loop from .xsession so that if i quit one window manager, the menu pops back up so i can start another in the same xsession |
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| 14:05.32 | antgel | stew: that is simply beautiful |
| 14:06.04 | kd8ikt | for the life of me i cant figure out what a server needs for konqueror fish:// to work |
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| 14:06.18 | stew | antgel: http://paste.debian.net/15288/ |
| 14:06.28 | kd8ikt | and goodmorning |
| 14:06.31 | dustybin | abrotman: the best way to run a xen domu running public services would be to install another NIC on my box and connect the xen domu to it, this means it will have its own real NIC and can be put inside a DMZ |
| 14:06.55 | dustybin | abrotman: just like if it was another box on my LAN |
| 14:08.27 | jelly | dustybin: or use VLANs if your network equipment and eth.card supports them |
| 14:09.17 | dustybin | jelly: i think i need expensive switches / routers for VLANS |
| 14:09.22 | dustybin | im only using basic home stuff |
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| 14:10.07 | jelly | in that case a real card might be cheaper |
| 14:10.12 | abrotman | dustybin: are you askign or telling ? |
| 14:10.23 | dustybin | abrotman: topic |
| 14:10.26 | dustybin | :P |
| 14:10.30 | abrotman | uh ok |
| 14:11.28 | abrotman | has no idea what that meant ... |
| 14:11.39 | keith4 | neither |
| 14:13.03 | idimmu | dustybin: re xen and nics, or you could just use bridging ? |
| 14:13.50 | dustybin | idimmu: imnot sure how that would work |
| 14:13.53 | dustybin | not |
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| 14:18.58 | idimmu | you create virtual interfaces on the dom0 and bridge them to interfaces on the vms |
| 14:19.05 | idimmu | im just looking at how we did it |
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| 14:19.37 | antgel | stew: that's the boom-ting, thanks |
| 14:19.44 | antgel | abrotman: hey man |
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| 14:20.01 | ndo | anyone any suggestions (links) to where to start with debian fileserver with samba? |
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| 14:20.44 | SPF | ndo: reading the configuration file |
| 14:20.56 | kd8ikt | /et/samba/smb.conf |
| 14:21.23 | ndo | hm, oke ty |
| 14:21.27 | MrDigimon | anyone that have gotten the ati radeon x1550 card to work? somehow the fglrx driver is messing things up for me, i just get a black screen |
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| 14:21.46 | MrDigimon | can someone help me with that? |
| 14:21.49 | SPF | it includes some samba samples |
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| 14:22.29 | abrotman | hi antgel |
| 14:23.03 | abrotman | or uh .. samba.org ? |
| 14:23.29 | antgel | samba has the best FOSS docs i've ever read |
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| 14:24.55 | ndo | it looks to me i dont have samba directory, which is obviously. what i asked. its an how to or something. on how do you set up samba. i have here debian box. and already configured active directory on 2003 and connected workstation. now i have to be able to use debian as fileserver. and i have no idea where do i start. so anyone any ideas?:) |
| 14:25.29 | Appiah | man smb.conf |
| 14:25.38 | ndo | antgel, nice to know, ill c:) |
| 14:25.43 | ndo | appiah, okey, ty |
| 14:25.43 | Appiah | check /etc/smb.conf |
| 14:25.51 | Appiah | check /etc/smb.conf.example* |
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| 14:26.08 | Appiah | http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/manpages-3/smb.conf.5.html and this |
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| 14:27.44 | ndo | ohh, lol, i wanted to type here "oke ty" and i see as respond bash: oke: command nof found.. :) |
| 14:28.07 | amphi | ndo: ETERM ;) |
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| 14:28.24 | MrDigimon | can anyone help me with my problem, im getting desperate over here :( |
| 14:28.43 | amphi | MrDigimon: what is it? |
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| 14:28.54 | keith4 | MrDigimon: pastebin your xorg log |
| 14:29.10 | MrDigimon | sigh, i got it on my other comp :( |
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| 14:29.37 | MrDigimon | i cant get any driver to run the radeon x1550 |
| 14:29.41 | nareshov | Hi, how do I remove swfdec and use the nonfree-flash instead? (lenny/sid) ? |
| 14:29.53 | MrDigimon | i just end up with a black screen |
| 14:30.21 | nareshov | dpkg: dsa1571 |
| 14:30.21 | dpkg | Due to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (using openssl 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). See http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys Updated openssh packages that check for weak keys are also now available. Ask me about <ssl update><dsa1576><ssh-vulnkey><dsa1571 jokes> |
| 14:30.29 | nareshov | oh |
| 14:30.38 | nareshov | dpkg: swfdec |
| 14:30.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, swfdec is another free flash implementation which can play youtube videos and integrates with GNOME |
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| 14:31.02 | MrDigimon | anyone got ANYTHING i can try? |
| 14:31.17 | Appiah | MrDigimon the radeon driver :P |
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| 14:31.32 | Appiah | or another kernel |
| 14:31.35 | drako | i have a proliant server with an scssi controller, one of the six harddrive is failing, and the SO is hanging up, how can i determinate which HD is failing to replace it? |
| 14:31.38 | MrDigimon | just hit radeon in xorg? |
| 14:31.48 | amphi | MrDigimon: it may be that that card is only supported by the loathsome fglrx |
| 14:32.02 | MrDigimon | loathsome? |
| 14:32.04 | amphi | MrDigimon: ie. ATI's binary driver |
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| 14:32.35 | MrDigimon | dammit, must i start messing with that annoying binary driver? |
| 14:32.49 | JordiGH | MrDigimon: How's radeonhd? |
| 14:33.13 | dustybin | who dares me to apt-get |
| 14:33.14 | dustybin | linux-image-2.6.25-2-xen-686 - Linux 2.6.25 image on i686 |
| 14:33.27 | MrDigimon | gimme some package names and ill try to install them |
| 14:33.48 | dustybin | how will i get the nvidia driver working with that kernel? that is the biggest concern |
| 14:33.51 | nareshov | how do I remove swfdec, please? |
| 14:34.11 | JordiGH | MrDigimon: xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd, it should already be installed. But I think it's still highly experimental. :-( |
| 14:34.44 | MrDigimon | i rather not try experimental, last time i did i got the pc messed up big time |
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| 14:35.11 | JordiGH | MrDigimon: Oh, it shouldn't mess up your box, just doesn't have hardware acceleration yet. |
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| 14:35.19 | SamuraiDio | hi all |
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| 14:35.27 | MrDigimon | ok |
| 14:35.37 | JordiGH | MrDigimon: man radeonhd, if you want to look at it. |
| 14:35.43 | MrDigimon | ok |
| 14:35.48 | SamuraiDio | i'm trying to minimize my Debian Desktop ionstallation, can someone help me with DEs packages? |
| 14:35.53 | MrDigimon | i go check, ill be back soon |
| 14:36.08 | SamuraiDio | kde > kde-base > kde-core |
| 14:36.29 | SamuraiDio | gnome > gnome-desktop > gnome-core |
| 14:36.32 | SamuraiDio | is taht right? |
| 14:36.35 | SamuraiDio | that* |
| 14:36.43 | themill | SamuraiDio: /msg dpkg install kde ; /msg dpkg install gnome |
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| 14:36.58 | SamuraiDio | themill, thanks |
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| 14:37.34 | MrDigimon | radeonhd is not installed and i cant install it |
| 14:37.50 | MrDigimon | i dont think i got experimental in sources list |
| 14:37.56 | SamuraiDio | themill, does xfce4 has a smaller package? |
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| 14:38.06 | themill | ncf |
| 14:38.11 | themill | eerr..... nfc |
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| 14:38.18 | KiDFlaSh | There was an error starting the GNOME-Settings-Daemon <-- what can i do? |
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| 14:38.34 | JordiGH | stew: Do you have any docs for tritium? |
| 14:38.47 | ndo | SamuraiDio: hey, i have a little question, when i had to install gnome on debian, i havet been able tofind package named GNOME, whel i was able to install GNOME-desktop-environment and Gnome-core, but no any GNOME package. Did i miss something? |
| 14:38.50 | amphi | MrDigimon: I asked in another channel, and someone clueful said of your card "It's supported by the open source drivers, but only as of Mesa 7.1 RC1 or RC2" |
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| 14:39.36 | amphi | MrDigimon: 7.0.3 is in testing, dunno about sid |
| 14:39.43 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 14:39.43 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. |
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| 14:40.40 | wols_ | MrDigimon: radeonhd, you need to compile yourself from cvs. no debian packages yet |
| 14:40.46 | KiDFlaSh | !GNOME-SETTING |
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| 14:41.00 | KiDFlaSh | !GNOME-SETTINGS-DAEMON-ERROR |
| 14:41.10 | MrDigimon | sigh |
| 14:41.20 | wols_ | !tell KiDFlaSh about msg the bot |
| 14:41.30 | JordiGH | stew: Or is your source self-documenting? :-) |
| 14:41.31 | wols_ | MrDigimon: radeonhd is very much in development right now |
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| 14:41.52 | stew | JordiGH: no, it is lacking |
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| 14:42.03 | MrDigimon | im gonna try messing with that binary install from atis site |
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| 14:42.59 | wols_ | MrDigimon: why? |
| 14:43.12 | wols_ | MrDigimon: if you must have a newer fglrx, use a backport from sid |
| 14:43.21 | MrDigimon | thats the only thing i havent tried yet |
| 14:43.24 | MrDigimon | i use etch |
| 14:43.36 | wols_ | it's better than ati.com drivers by far |
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| 14:44.12 | MrDigimon | but i dont even get the regular fglrx driver from non-free to work |
| 14:44.14 | dustybin | anybody know of a virtualization what supports the nvidia driver? |
| 14:44.20 | dustybin | running on the host |
| 14:44.52 | JordiGH | X.org wiki says that radeonhd already supports DRI in git. |
| 14:45.40 | wols_ | dustybin: no virtualization does 3D accel in the guest yet |
| 14:45.55 | wols_ | dustybin: as for the host, it doesn't matter re virtualization what it runs |
| 14:45.55 | dustybin | wols_: i need the nvidia driver for the host, not guest |
| 14:46.10 | dustybin | wols_: the nvidia driver doesnt work with xen kernel |
| 14:46.28 | wols_ | I think there are patches for that |
| 14:46.32 | MrDigimon | do i need to activate the driver or something to get it to work??? |
| 14:46.33 | wols_ | unofficial of course |
| 14:46.33 | dustybin | are there?! |
| 14:46.39 | dustybin | checks |
| 14:46.42 | dbmoodb | btw for debian lenny -- there will be no newer software hitting the release right ? like oo.o v3 will not make it into it --- so that will require a backport is that right ?.... or if the release date slips what will happen.... |
| 14:46.46 | wols_ | MrDigimon: check your Xorg log |
| 14:46.46 | dbmoodb | (for debian) |
| 14:47.04 | abrotman | dbmoodb: it's frozen .. not likely .. it could be unfrozen |
| 14:47.10 | wols_ | dbmoodb: most likely. sometimes but very rarely something might make it in. OOo 3 is very unlikely tho |
| 14:47.55 | dbmoodb | ok |
| 14:48.04 | dustybin | wols_: http://blog.creonfx.com/linux/how-to-install-nvidia-driver-on-2625-2-debian-kernel-with-xen |
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| 14:48.29 | SamuraiDio | what is this error, and how much it can hurt me: "database /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db failed to load." ? |
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| 14:49.26 | wols_ | dustybin: set the env var and try the normal m-a method |
| 14:50.23 | MrDigimon | what should i see in the log? |
| 14:50.33 | wols_ | MrDigimon: what driver it uses |
| 14:50.57 | wols_ | MrDigimon: and errors possibly or other reasons why it wouldn't work. it'S the main way to troubleshoot your X problem |
| 14:52.06 | MrDigimon | ok |
| 14:52.19 | MrDigimon | xorg looks fucked up btw |
| 14:52.47 | MrDigimon | old settings still there on the same time as the new things aticonfig put there |
| 14:54.00 | MrDigimon | tried # them away but still the same |
| 14:54.13 | MrDigimon | same black screen of death |
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| 14:56.16 | Empis | hello, how do i restart apache2 on debian ? |
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| 14:56.21 | wols_ | clear the file and use atirconfig |
| 14:56.28 | wols_ | Empis: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 14:56.41 | Empis | * Not starting apache2 - edit /etc/default/apache2 and change NO_START to be 0. |
| 14:56.53 | Empis | hmm |
| 14:57.14 | stew | Empis: have you tried editing /etc/deafult/apache2? |
| 14:57.23 | Empis | testing now |
| 14:58.19 | Empis | Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory |
| 14:58.19 | Empis | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.22 | Empis | :( |
| 14:58.38 | themill | Empis: so why did you delete that file? |
| 14:58.39 | stew | Empis: run "touch /etc/apache2/httpd.conf" |
| 14:59.15 | Empis | hmm there isnt't any file named that |
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| 14:59.30 | JordiGH | Yay, PDF forms work now. |
| 14:59.35 | JordiGH | Since when? |
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| 14:59.46 | Empis | apache2.conf |
| 14:59.49 | themill | JordiGH: with which viewer? |
| 14:59.59 | JordiGH | themill: evince and okular. |
| 15:00.04 | themill | nice |
| 15:00.06 | ndo | Just started SAMBA installation. And in the installing process im asked. "If you obtain ip via DHCP use WINS" but i have static ip, no dhcp, so i dont need this WINS, right? |
| 15:00.26 | Blackhold | hello, how could enable https on apache? |
| 15:00.35 | JordiGH | themill: You can save the form data you put in too! And disobey DRM. Heh. Down with Acrobat Reader! |
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| 15:00.47 | themill | JordiGH: :) |
| 15:01.27 | ilaiho | Blackhold: this guide is pretty good. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/349 |
| 15:01.32 | Empis | how do i uninstall apache2 ? |
| 15:01.35 | Blackhold | thanks :D |
| 15:01.35 | wols_ | nice. after last I tried acrobat reader for etch, evince forever :) |
| 15:01.38 | sema-4 | since i changed from kernel 2.6.17 to 2.6.25, a pc-card (providing 2 usb ports) in the pcmcia slot leads the yenta machinery to complain about "irq 10: nobody cared" and disabling that irq 10 later on. various parts of my linux box (eth0, usb-mouse) don't like this. starting with kernel option irqpoll works but caused at least one complete freeze. what happened to the kernel since 2.6.17 ? |
| 15:01.44 | wols_ | Empis: apt-get remove apache2.2-common |
| 15:01.58 | Blackhold | Empis: apt-get remove --purge apache2 |
| 15:02.05 | ilaiho | Blackhold: the way to create certificate described in guide is obsolete |
| 15:02.06 | wols_ | Blackhold: that won't work |
| 15:02.24 | ndo | wols_, if dont use dhcp i dont need wins right? |
| 15:02.34 | ndo | i dont* |
| 15:02.35 | stew | Empis: yes, there isn't a file named /etc/apache2/httpd.conf which is why apache2 is refusing to start, the command i gave you would create and empty file in that location which is all you would need |
| 15:02.38 | wols_ | ndo: you never need WINS :). bunch of crap |
| 15:02.47 | ndo | okay, ty wols |
| 15:02.50 | Empis | stew: trying to install again |
| 15:02.51 | JordiGH | Looks like the form stuff in evince's changelog is rather recent. From late 2007, early 2008. |
| 15:02.53 | ilaiho | Blackhold: Yuo need to create the certificate with this guide: http://www.akadia.com/services/ssh_test_certificate.html |
| 15:02.55 | Empis | apt-get install apche2 ? |
| 15:02.57 | ilaiho | you |
| 15:03.12 | Empis | i want php5 too, can i include it with the apache2 install? |
| 15:03.12 | wols_ | Empis: only if you have uninstalled and purged it |
| 15:03.17 | wols_ | Empis: yes |
| 15:03.26 | wols_ | libapach2-mod-php5 |
| 15:03.30 | wols_ | libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 15:03.39 | themill | dpkg: tell Empis about install apache2 |
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| 15:04.18 | dbmoodb | :) |
| 15:04.31 | dbmoodb | how does one enable https tho ? .. just use the mod ? |
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| 15:05.14 | stew | dbmoodb: a2enmod ssl |
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| 15:05.25 | Empis | i'm still failing |
| 15:05.28 | stew | dbmoodb: (and then configure a virtual host to actually enable it) |
| 15:05.31 | stew | Empis: what is the error? |
| 15:05.40 | Empis | invoke-rc.d: initscript apache2, action "start" failed. |
| 15:05.53 | stew | Empis: is it the same error that httpd.conf is missing? |
| 15:05.54 | themill | dbmoodb: add "Listen 443" to ports.conf too. |
| 15:05.58 | Empis | nah |
| 15:05.58 | wols_ | stew: will that a2enmod generate certs? |
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| 15:08.01 | stew | wols_: no, and it wouldn't configure a virtualhost that actually calls SSLEnable either |
| 15:08.06 | loremi | Hello, sorry for off-topic, question for someone knowledgeable on Deutsche Bahn, can I travel with bike on this train (IRE 3089) http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/traininfo.exe/en/654837/341153/345782/45388/80?ld=212.24&seqnr=8&ident=ew.0741624.1219329345&date=23.08.08&station_evaId=8000284&station_type=dep¤tReferrer=tp& |
| 15:08.11 | stew | i don't remember if a cert is generated upon install |
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| 15:08.52 | stew | loremi: please find a better place for this question. perhaps #freenode can help you find a better place |
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| 15:09.50 | Empis | Fatal error: Call to undefined function php_info() in /var/www/index.php on line 1 |
| 15:09.52 | Empis | broken php? |
| 15:10.25 | joltcan | It might be blocked in the php.ini as well |
| 15:10.52 | Empis | I'm drinking jolt right now btw |
| 15:10.55 | joltcan | Empis: but it should work in a default installation. Unfortunately I have to go now |
| 15:11.03 | joltcan | Empis: Good! I hope that brings luck to you :) |
| 15:11.03 | wols_ | Empis: phpinfo() |
| 15:11.06 | wols_ | broken programmer |
| 15:11.17 | Empis | wols_: hmm php_info() works on windows |
| 15:11.28 | Empis | or maybe not :) |
| 15:11.49 | monobug | any ideas when pidgin 2.5 will be in the lenny repo? |
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| 15:11.55 | wols_ | Empis: I doubt it http://de2.php.net/manual/de/function.phpinfo.php |
| 15:12.03 | wols_ | monobug: lenny is frozen. likely never |
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| 15:12.07 | dbmoodb | mmm oo.o will have a code freeze on the 25th (for v3). oh well. |
| 15:12.28 | monobug | wols_, what do you mean? |
| 15:12.48 | monobug | - by "frozen" is that sense |
| 15:12.50 | wols_ | monobug: I meanlenny is frozen and won't get new versions of anything |
| 15:12.57 | monobug | aha |
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| 15:13.04 | monobug | will sid? |
| 15:13.05 | stew | monobug: lenny is frozen, no new packages are being added to lenny except to fix release critical bugs, and they have to be added by hand by a release manager |
| 15:13.17 | wols_ | monobug: yes |
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| 15:13.27 | wols_ | dbmoodb: there always is a big package "Just releasing" |
| 15:13.35 | stew | monobug: sid is not likely to get a new major release of pidgin until after lenny releases |
| 15:13.35 | dbmoodb | sure thing |
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| 15:14.13 | dbmoodb | stew: but ... if 2.5 pidgin for example is justa bunch of bugfixes for 2.4 ... shouldn't that be pushed through (the fixes at least) |
| 15:14.57 | stew | dbmoodb: no, since there aren't afaict any RC bugs reported against pidgin |
| 15:15.08 | dbmoodb | stew: should i go report one then ? |
| 15:15.25 | monobug | ok, so lenny is frozen and wont have any releases to any program at all? sid is the new way to go to get newer software? |
| 15:15.25 | dbmoodb | :) i know of a bug that i would consider to be problematic :) |
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| 15:15.42 | JordiGH | monobug: That's how Debian releases work. |
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| 15:15.58 | themill | monobug: sid won't get too many updates either until lenny is released |
| 15:16.05 | stew | dbmoodb: what is the bug? |
| 15:16.06 | dbmoodb | what comes after lenny btw ? |
| 15:16.15 | dbmoodb | stew: i have filed it already :) |
| 15:16.15 | monobug | so you might as well just hold on to lenny until further is noticed? |
| 15:16.18 | dbmoodb | its not rc |
| 15:16.19 | JordiGH | When we say that lenny will be stable, it really means stable. |
| 15:16.29 | jaalto | What command lists the tapN devices? |
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| 15:16.37 | dav_it | hi guys. |
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| 15:16.45 | stew | jaalto: ifconfig |
| 15:16.46 | JordiGH | I'm surprised we don't know yet what the release after lenny will be called. Isn't that usually announced near freeze time? |
| 15:16.53 | ndo | wols_: im following howto from debian wiki, but this doesnt looks right to me: http://pastebin.com/m3a696f2a doesn't it have to be like this: http://pastebin.com/m184d9b2c right? or ma i missing something? |
| 15:17.07 | dbmoodb | yeah what's after lenny ? |
| 15:17.20 | dbmoodb | etch lenny .... dumdum... |
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| 15:17.27 | stew | dbmoodb: the name hasn't been decided, or if it has, the name hasn't been announced |
| 15:17.32 | dav_it | during debian installer, using network, is being asked "what collection of packages I want to install". What does desktop envinroment install? Kde, gnome? Either? Can I select what de install? |
| 15:17.33 | dbmoodb | oh really ? |
| 15:17.42 | jaalto | stew: Ah, I wondered if there was a special tunels(1) or something |
| 15:17.45 | Empis | isn't remote access default on mysql-server ? |
| 15:17.56 | JordiGH | I hope the next release is named after one of Sid's mutant toys. |
| 15:18.08 | JordiGH | The shaved doll head with spider legs, for instance. |
| 15:18.18 | dbmoodb | JordiGH: what would that be called tho ? rofl |
| 15:18.32 | JordiGH | dbmoodb: She's called something like Molly or some ordinary name like that. |
| 15:18.46 | dbmoodb | JordiGH: lame |
| 15:18.52 | ndo | guys can anyone helpme with samba?:) |
| 15:18.55 | dbmoodb | why not weird molly |
| 15:18.58 | enouf | Does anyone recall if "sit0" (ifconfig -a) suddenly went away between 2.6.16-2-686 and 2.6.18-4-686 ? |
| 15:19.05 | ndo | im following howto from debian wiki, but this doesnt looks right to me: http://pastebin.com/m3a696f2a doesn't it have to be like this: http://pastebin.com/m184d9b2c right? or ma i missing something? |
| 15:19.05 | dbmoodb | ndo: what's the problem |
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| 15:19.39 | stew | its aparantly named "Babyface": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Mutant_toys |
| 15:19.45 | enouf | and IINM, sit0 was ipv6 related somehow, someway? |
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| 15:20.02 | dav_it | during debian installer, using network, is being asked "what collection of packages I want to install". What does desktop envinroment install? Kde, gnome? Either? Can I select what de install? |
| 15:20.11 | jerzey | does someone know a possibility to log all executed shell commands (e.g. by ssh users) to syslog? |
| 15:20.19 | enouf | haha, babyface .. cute .. what's up bugsy ;-) |
| 15:20.21 | dbmoodb | dav_it: probably would be gnome i guess ? |
| 15:20.26 | JordiGH | stew: Which one is Janie? |
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| 15:20.33 | dav_it | dbmoodb: only gnome? |
| 15:20.37 | dav_it | sure about this? |
| 15:20.42 | stew | dav_it: gnome on a standard installer. if you want something different you can just wait until after the installer is complete and install whatever you like |
| 15:20.50 | dbmoodb | dav_it: not sure |
| 15:20.52 | dav_it | stew: 'sok =) |
| 15:20.52 | ndo | dbmoodb, have u seen my post? the "-" instead of "=" does it matters or not? |
| 15:21.01 | stew | dav_it: definately only gnome unless you used a kde install disk or a xfce install disk |
| 15:21.04 | dav_it | I want gnome, so it's enough for me. |
| 15:21.07 | stew | JordiGH: no idea |
| 15:21.09 | dbmoodb | ndo: i have no idea -- some one else can answer it. |
| 15:21.15 | dav_it | stew: thanks. |
| 15:21.21 | JordiGH | Oh, it's a rag doll. |
| 15:21.22 | ndo | dbmoodb, kty |
| 15:21.35 | dbmoodb | why not Stinky Pete the Prospector ? |
| 15:21.38 | enouf | or, passed the tasks= option at boot, which you obviously didn't ;-) |
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| 15:22.19 | JordiGH | Wow. Give the kids some nightmares: http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5196Z4QDBVL._SL500_AA280_.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.amazon.com/Thinkway-Disney-Story-Action-Figure/dp/B000FU2AL2&h=280&w=280&sz=19&hl=en&start=2&um=1&usg=__uSffCc8S-RIKSgygapAd9T0xJUQ=&tbnid=9b_ECchK1pUuaM:&tbnh=114&tbnw=114&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbabyface%2B%2522toy%2Bstory%2522%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN |
| 15:22.22 | JordiGH | Ack, sorry! |
| 15:22.31 | enouf | whoa </neo> |
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| 15:23.00 | enouf | but .. that's also a typical final youtube url length :-p |
| 15:23.00 | JordiGH | This one: http://www.amazon.com/Thinkway-Disney-Story-Action-Figure/dp/B000FU2AL2 |
| 15:23.09 | amphi | enouf: heh |
| 15:23.16 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 15:23.33 | aaron | hi |
| 15:23.40 | aaron | debian spanish channel please? |
| 15:23.43 | dbmoodb | is there a cat in any of the movies ? |
| 15:23.48 | simonrvn | !es |
| 15:23.49 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:23.50 | enouf | !es |
| 15:23.59 | JordiGH | aaron: #debian-es (or I might be able to help you privately) |
| 15:24.02 | simonrvn | !win me |
| 15:24.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, simonrvn! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
| 15:24.09 | enouf | ;-) |
| 15:24.15 | JordiGH | Appropriate prize for a Spanish factoid. |
| 15:24.19 | enouf | almost caught me .. again :-P |
| 15:24.25 | dbmoodb | i remember ther ebeing a cat -- does the cat have a name ? |
| 15:24.44 | JordiGH | dbmoodb: all the toys are named. It used to be easier when we had someone working in Pixar to know what the names are. |
| 15:24.56 | aaron | thanks JordiGH |
| 15:25.18 | Empis | Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() in /var/www/index.php on line 3 |
| 15:25.22 | Empis | nice... |
| 15:25.22 | dbmoodb | JordiGH: well ... then swap to a new naming system :) |
| 15:25.40 | dbmoodb | andy hasn't been used yet |
| 15:25.57 | JordiGH | dbmoodb: We've got lots of toy names. We're not likely to run out for a couple of decades, given the rate of Debian releases. |
| 15:26.21 | dbmoodb | JordiGH: true. but .... it will be lame after a while |
| 15:26.29 | stew | and given the rate of toy story sequels |
| 15:26.35 | dbmoodb | 50 year later and ... trying to find new names |
| 15:26.39 | themill | dpkg: tell Empis about install mysql |
| 15:26.50 | JordiGH | May Debian live 50 years or longer. |
| 15:27.04 | dbmoodb | JordiGH: got a reason for it not too ? |
| 15:27.19 | dbmoodb | no one meantion unix overflow |
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| 15:28.16 | JordiGH | dbmoodb: Maybe computers will come to dominate for which Linux is totally obsolete. Maybe Treacherous Computing or DRM will win. Maybe the companies will manage to control our hardware to the point where we can't install what we want on it. Maybe free software will be made illegal. Lots of dystopian scenarios possible. ;-) |
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| 15:28.58 | dbmoodb | JordiGH: yeah and that should have happened already -- trust computing was proposed ages ago -- its dead |
| 15:29.14 | jelly | JordiGH: maybe noone will care since the appliances will serve their purpose |
| 15:29.35 | ndo | guys, kinit administrator@IS414.COM, gives: klist: No credentials cache found (ticket cache FILE:administrator@IS414.COM) i do something wrong?:) |
| 15:29.46 | dbmoodb | agrees with jelly (debian fridge + toster + door) |
| 15:29.53 | JordiGH | jelly: I've wondered about that too, but I doubt I will ever find an appliance that does everything exactly the way I want it to, or the way everyone wants it to. We humans have too many conflicting opinions. |
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| 15:30.30 | dbmoodb | JordiGH: hence linux is being used to provide the flex :) |
| 15:30.47 | JordiGH | jelly: Witness all of us fringe lunatics who actually criticise Mac OS X on usability grounds. |
| 15:30.50 | dbmoodb | potentially |
| 15:30.57 | ndo | am i alone? :( |
| 15:31.12 | jelly | ndo: in using kerberos? possibly |
| 15:31.22 | dbmoodb | jelly: rubbish |
| 15:31.30 | ndo | hm |
| 15:31.35 | stew | ndo: try #kerberos |
| 15:31.48 | dbmoodb | or |
| 15:31.58 | dbmoodb | google for a configuration how t o |
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| 15:32.12 | dbmoodb | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba/Kerberos -- for ubuntu ... might help you out |
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| 15:32.38 | ndo | following an how to from debian wiki, but in my eyes not so detiled how to:) |
| 15:32.45 | enouf | dbmoodb: they will never give up on attempting nefarious DRM/TCPA techniques .. don't kid yourself |
| 15:32.48 | jelly | dbmoodb: well, I don't see anyone jumping in with kerberos experience, so yes, I'd say he's alome |
| 15:33.19 | dbmoodb | enouf: who is they ? |
| 15:33.23 | JordiGH | Have we had a female toy codename yet? Maybe d-women would like one, heh. |
| 15:33.24 | enouf | dbmoodb: all they do is give it new acronyms every few years when their last attempts seem to fall short |
| 15:33.28 | amphi | dbmoodb: the Others |
| 15:33.31 | amphi | arrgghh |
| 15:33.40 | enouf | !they |
| 15:33.41 | dpkg | They are watching you. They know what you're doing. |
| 15:33.48 | enouf | heh |
| 15:33.55 | ndo | -.- |
| 15:33.55 | dbmoodb | !him |
| 15:33.55 | dpkg | hmm... him is someone that will make you need soon an advocate to relay with |
| 15:34.25 | stew | JordiGH: bo |
| 15:34.32 | enouf | dbmoodb: Big OEMs, hardware manufacturers, Big Business, RIAA, MPAA, FCC, ... Big Oil even ;-) |
| 15:34.42 | JordiGH | stew: Oh, I thought bo was the dog. |
| 15:35.06 | stew | JordiGH: that's slink |
| 15:35.13 | dbmoodb | enouf: well that's nice but by phone is running debian atm. my nas is running debian my isp is a debian sponsored mirror ah ? anything else |
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| 15:35.31 | ndo | look, in this command "#kinit administrator@IS414.COM" whitch administrator is it about? |
| 15:35.49 | enouf | dbmoodb: and? .. i was answering to your "DRM is dead" response |
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| 15:36.14 | dbmoodb | ndo: are you trying to join the is414.com .... do you have permission to do so perhaps (only guessing)? |
| 15:36.17 | dbmoodb | enouf: well it is |
| 15:36.26 | dbmoodb | every drm made has been broken. |
| 15:36.34 | enouf | dbmoodb: ok, we disagree - no worries |
| 15:36.43 | dbmoodb | :) ok |
| 15:37.13 | dbmoodb | enouf: but you hope debian will be here in 50 years drm or no drm right ? rofl |
| 15:37.28 | stew | dbmoodb: enouf: can you take this conversation to #debian-offtopic or somewhere? |
| 15:37.34 | ndo | yes, dbmoodb i have premission :) its my domain, but the administrator, whitch one of the linux im on of the domain or or? |
| 15:37.34 | dbmoodb | finished. |
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| 15:38.26 | dbmoodb | so you are trying to join it ?... your domain.... and you get an error saying administrator... im guessing thats their end unless you set up an admin account on your end.... |
| 15:38.28 | ndo | i mean , for me its "#kinit administrator@Jezus.joy" but doi have to replace "administrator"maybe to with something else?:) |
| 15:38.44 | dbmoodb | ndo: perhaps... maybe root ? |
| 15:40.02 | ndo | klist: No credentials cache found (ticket cache FILE:root@Jezus.joy) |
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| 15:45.55 | rasq | openvpn 2.1~rc9-3 wont execute any script, even with --script-security 2 |
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| 15:46.06 | rasq | anyone with the same problem here? |
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| 15:46.49 | sofiane | i am sorry |
| 15:47.14 | sofiane | what i is your best mirror added in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 15:47.55 | rasq | talking to me? :) |
| 15:49.12 | stew | rasq: check the bts |
| 15:49.12 | YeTr2_ | what would be the configuration of the network/interfaces file so that it will bring up a network interface, but not configure it with an ipaddress and such? |
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| 15:49.25 | rasq | stew: it's empty, regarding this issue |
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| 15:49.32 | valdyn | YeTr2_: thats a useful feature how? |
| 15:49.35 | stew | YeTr2_: manual |
| 15:49.46 | ndo | anyone any idea where do i find slapd.conf and smb.conf ?:) |
| 15:49.46 | tango_ | hello all. is it just me or is lua 5.1 in debian compiled without loadlib() support? |
| 15:49.50 | rasq | im not sure if it's a real issue, so i wanted to check if anyone can second that |
| 15:50.05 | stew | rasq: file a bug |
| 15:50.17 | YeTr2_ | valdyn: because I want to bring the network interface up automatically for other applications like vmware and ethereal to use? |
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| 15:50.33 | rasq | i'll investigate a little more and then file a bug... ok |
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| 15:50.52 | valdyn | YeTr2_: so either vmware brings it up with an ip or its useless |
| 15:51.02 | YeTr2_ | stew: a little cumbersome if I have to do it after every reboot |
| 15:51.11 | valdyn | YeTr2_: and if you brought it up "without" an ip is irrelevant |
| 15:51.13 | stew | YeTr2_: no, interfaces(5) has a "manual" method |
| 15:51.20 | stew | YeTr2_: like "inet eth0 inet manual" |
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| 15:51.45 | tango_ | ndo, somewhere under /etc probably |
| 15:51.57 | ndo | tango_:ty |
| 15:51.58 | YeTr2_ | stew: oh, ok, thank you |
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| 15:55.00 | dbmoodb | ndo: i recommend you read the samba documentation and ask in #samba |
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| 15:55.46 | kd8ikt | i could show you my smv.conf but it doesnt have user accounts |
| 15:55.52 | ndo | dbmoodb: okey, alredy reading documentation, and will join samba right away |
| 15:56.20 | kd8ikt | mine is more or less wide open |
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| 15:57.21 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 16:00.43 | kd8ikt | ndo: http://pastebin.com/d75f7be05 |
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| 16:03.25 | kd8ikt | lolwho the heck pasted this http://pastebin.com/m31a702f8 looks a bit spammy |
| 16:04.02 | JordiGH | kd8ikt: Looks like the bra spammer we get here in Freenode. |
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| 16:04.35 | kd8ikt | heh that guy is a psycho |
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| 16:05.13 | stew | kd8ikt: if you are getting spam, please report the nick/ip it is coming from to #freenode |
| 16:05.36 | kd8ikt | no thats pastbin spam i guess i could flag it |
| 16:05.53 | kd8ikt | i was just browsing what other posted recently |
| 16:05.58 | stew | well there is no need to paste it here in any case |
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| 16:06.31 | JordiGH | Btw, remind me again why Pixar won't sue us for trademark infringement? |
| 16:06.51 | kd8ikt | next release should be Wall-e |
| 16:07.01 | simonrvn | not-for-profit? |
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| 16:07.12 | stew | JordiGH: becuase we haven't infringed on their trademarks |
| 16:07.15 | simonrvn | kd8ikt: o_O |
| 16:07.18 | JordiGH | simonrvn: But if I start selling Debian CDs? |
| 16:07.34 | JordiGH | stew: We'd have to make actual toys with their trademarks instead of distros? |
| 16:07.40 | simonrvn | i was only half-serious ;) |
| 16:08.03 | avu | trademarks usually only cover a specific usage, that#s why there can be a washing agent called linux |
| 16:08.22 | et | also, the names aren't really new |
| 16:08.29 | avu | also, I don't think the character's names are trademarks at all |
| 16:08.57 | avu | and I don't even think you can register a 'potatoe' trademark at all :) |
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| 16:09.17 | JordiGH | avu: I'm pretty sure they are trademarked, since you can buy the actual toys. |
| 16:09.46 | valdyn | you cant just trademark names |
| 16:09.57 | JordiGH | avu: And you can trademark common words, just like you can trademark Windows (as long as you are not using that trademark for selling actual windows). |
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| 16:10.08 | stew | JordiGH: there is little chance that someone might see a debian release and think that it might be the thing produced by pixar |
| 16:10.09 | linux_jones513 | so how do i install lenny from a net install cd? |
| 16:10.29 | cahoot | JordiGH: actual windows being what? |
| 16:10.32 | kd8ikt | you put it int the machines drive |
| 16:10.39 | JordiGH | cahoot: Things made of glass with light going through them. |
| 16:10.41 | abrotman | !d-i linux_jones513 |
| 16:10.42 | dpkg | linux_jones513, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:11.17 | stew | linux_jones513: "/msg dpkg ig" will get you the install guide for stable. there isn't an install guide for lenny yet, but it should be similar enough |
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| 16:11.43 | kd8ikt | i'm using lenny/sid |
| 16:11.51 | kd8ikt | just installed yesterday |
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| 16:15.12 | Error4o4 | do you know if there is some channel for protocols, ie. http ? |
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| 16:16.06 | avu | Error4o4, there is #web, which might answer your http related questions depending on what they are |
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| 16:17.45 | Error4o4 | avu: ok. (trying to sniff some http traffic that i make with a malware infected website, but to keep the browser from interpreting that HTML content) |
| 16:18.04 | linux_jones513 | this may or may not be a bad question, but for the lenny net install, i just throw all of this on a cd? http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/cdrom/ and it should boot from there and whatnot? |
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| 16:19.10 | valdyn | linux_jones513: all? |
| 16:19.15 | simonrvn | you burn the iso, boot it, install, done. |
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| 16:20.16 | linux_jones513 | simonrvn i dont see an iso anywhere there, and thats where the debian lenny install guide told me to go |
| 16:20.33 | valdyn | linux_jones513: this looks broken, there should be an iso |
| 16:22.07 | simonrvn | yes. go to www.debian.org/CD/ |
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| 16:22.27 | simonrvn | that's more for package updates... |
| 16:22.33 | simonrvn | what you have there |
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| 16:23.02 | Heavy-D | I know it's not strictly Debian related but i'm having trouble getting into a channel that requires identification. Could somebody help me with that?' |
| 16:23.17 | simonrvn | ask in #freenode |
| 16:23.24 | Heavy-D | okay cool thanks simonrvn |
| 16:23.57 | noon31 | how could I install some packages without docs - i would like to install texlive but without texlive*doc* packages (I'm running debian on asus eee with limited disk space). But when I try to remove those packages all texlive* packages are removed? |
| 16:23.59 | simonrvn | basically it's register your nick, identify to nickserv, join chan |
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| 16:24.21 | simonrvn | what? |
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| 16:26.11 | simonrvn | of course, he left, so he won't see this: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-LennyBeta2-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 16:33.45 | cjs_ | for some reason netinst didn't work and i have just a base install, can anyone tell me what to add to sources.list to go from the base install to full? |
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| 16:34.09 | stew | cjs_: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 16:35.28 | cjs_ | stew: i'm aware of what sources.list IS, i just don't know what sources/etc will get me from base netinst to full |
| 16:35.45 | stew | dpkg: tell cjs_ about sources.list |
| 16:35.51 | simonrvn | nothing to do |
| 16:36.03 | enouf | will get you? |
| 16:36.04 | stew | cjs_: the bot named dpkg should have told you what your sources.list should look like |
| 16:36.19 | cjs_ | no, it just tells me what sources.list is |
| 16:36.26 | stew | !sources.list |
| 16:36.26 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 16:36.43 | enouf | cjs_: clarify your query to us |
| 16:36.44 | themill | cjs_: "and has lines like" ... |
| 16:36.45 | stew | cjs_: where it says "has lines like" that shows you the two lines you'd need |
| 16:37.17 | cjs_ | those are the two specific lines? excellent. assumed they were just examples due to the wording |
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| 16:38.13 | themill | cjs_: there is no such thing as a full install by the way. I suspect that's part of the confusion here. |
| 16:38.13 | stew | cjs_: you just have to replace <cc> with a country code, or replace http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian with a mirror from /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 16:40.40 | cjs_ | themill: probably ... once i add the new sources, will it install anything without me specifically supplying package names |
| 16:40.50 | themill | no |
| 16:40.50 | cjs_ | (that was a question) |
| 16:41.10 | cjs_ | oh great .. no idea how to move to a more complete install from here then |
| 16:41.34 | themill | cjs_: if you had an active network connection during your initial installation, then you probably have a fine sources.list already, but feel free to pastebin it if you want someone to have a look at it for you |
| 16:42.05 | cjs_ | themill: the connection was active, but the netinst failed .. every mirror said bad mirror, so i had to just install the base system |
| 16:42.25 | themill | ahh so there is some work to do still :) |
| 16:42.29 | cjs_ | connection works fine as soon as base install was complete, so i have no idea why the net install failed |
| 16:42.59 | cjs_ | themill: quite a bit, i imagine ... however, i certainly don't know the names of all the "standard" packages that would be installed during the netinst process to provide apt with |
| 16:43.04 | cjs_ | so i'm not sure how to move forward |
| 16:43.37 | themill | cjs_: can you pastebin your sources.list now? (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 16:43.46 | enouf | cjs_: did you use an old netinstall cd? |
| 16:43.58 | sofiane | sudo apt-cache search squid3 |
| 16:44.10 | sofiane | how can i know the number exact of the version? |
| 16:44.14 | sofiane | the realse, etc |
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| 16:44.20 | cjs_ | themill: can't really pastebin it .. just have a terminal, no X or anything (on another box now) |
| 16:44.25 | cjs_ | enouf: nope, just downloaded it earlier |
| 16:44.26 | jelly | sofiane: apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 16:44.32 | enouf | apt-cache policy pkgname |
| 16:44.36 | sofiane | thank you!! |
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| 16:45.04 | cjs_ | themill: however, the only thing in sources.list are the CDs and the security souces (which are commented out) |
| 16:45.12 | enouf | man - am i slow today .. oh well, i need a rest anyways :-) |
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| 16:46.08 | themill | cjs_: but the box in question is now able to reach the internet ok? |
| 16:46.13 | enouf | cjs_: it's likely the mirrors were added incorrectly - could be from maybe deselecting some things along the way .. using install (basic) mode - just a guess |
| 16:46.19 | cjs_ | themill: yep, just fine |
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| 16:46.57 | cjs_ | themill: my hope was that i could just add the appropriate sources and then do apt-get update, apt-get upgrade |
| 16:46.58 | themill | cjs_: ok, so add to your sources.list a line like dpkg said: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main (and uncomment the security line) |
| 16:47.17 | themill | cjs_: yep, if you apt-get update and you don't get errors then we're going fine. |
| 16:47.24 | enouf | cjs_: did you tell the installer to install some things? and then it failed? there's likley a log of those in /var/log/installer/syslog or similar |
| 16:47.49 | enouf | oh |
| 16:47.57 | cjs_ | enouf: no, it could not use any mirrors |
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| 16:48.14 | cjs_ | themill: oh, so it will install more packages without specifically naming them |
| 16:48.34 | enouf | oh, i see, you wanted to end up with standard, not just base .. ok, my bad |
| 16:48.38 | themill | cjs_: one step at a time here... it won't do anything until you ask it to. Did apt-get update work ok? |
| 16:48.45 | cjs_ | doing it now |
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| 16:49.09 | enouf | you could run tasksel |
| 16:49.11 | enouf | hides |
| 16:49.32 | stew | yeah, i'm wondering if tasksel is actually what he might be looking for |
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| 16:49.45 | themill | I suspect it is, once he has a mirror working :) |
| 16:49.45 | cjs_ | themill: yep, worked fine |
| 16:50.39 | cjs_ | probably, giving it a shot |
| 16:51.04 | themill | cjs_: ok, then run the command "aptitude upgrade" to see if there are any updates to the packages you already have installed, and then use tasksel and grab the "standard" task and possibly the "desktop" task. |
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| 16:51.27 | emilio | i'm trying to install avantfax but i have this error ".: 18: debian-prefs.txt: not found" |
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| 16:52.43 | cjs_ | didn't see the standard task, but am running a few of the others i need along with desktop |
| 16:52.58 | cjs_ | i think this should get me where i need to be .. thanks to all |
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| 16:53.20 | themill | no worries. have fun :) |
| 16:53.28 | sardior | I have a viper v770 agp in an old computer. i installed debian on it and now the screen reverted to 640x480 and I can't chage the screen resolution. any ideas? |
| 16:53.57 | emilio | hello, need some help i'm trying to install avantfax but i have this error ".: 18: debian-prefs.txt: not found" |
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| 16:56.13 | alexandroos | sardior, I think u have to modify ur xorg.conf, take a look http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=25468 |
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| 16:56.36 | chemokid | hi all, i'm testing xen on etch. i created etch domU instances using xen-tools and then upgraded them to lenny. to keep things simple for now all of the domUs have one / partition and one swap. everything was going fine until today when i extracted a tar archive and now all of a sudden the entire file system is read-only. |
| 16:56.47 | sardior | alexandroos: I'll look at that |
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| 16:56.53 | alexandroos | ok |
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| 16:57.20 | chemokid | if i do something like "touch ~/test.txt" it says "touch: cannot touch `test.txt': Read-only file system" |
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| 16:57.29 | chemokid | with no errors in any of the logs, that i could find. |
| 16:57.46 | chemokid | does anyone have any suggestions as to what this could be about? |
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| 16:58.01 | avu | chemokid, well, the file system might be mounted read only? :) |
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| 16:58.19 | alexandroos | chemokid, maybe u've mounted the fs in read only mode |
| 16:58.21 | chemokid | avu: yes but i was using the same file system all day |
| 16:58.52 | sardior | bbiab |
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| 16:59.07 | stew | chemokid: if could have been remounted readonly due to errors |
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| 16:59.56 | Muffin | Dear everybody: When you upgrade a vital service like bind9, please remember to start it after you have upgraded it. |
| 17:00.07 | Muffin | s/everybody/anyone who cares/ |
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| 17:00.09 | Braden` | Hello |
| 17:00.22 | chemokid | stew: yea in /etc/fstab it has "errors=remount-ro" for the / partition. but how can i find out what the errors are or what caused this to happen? i checked messages, kern.log, and the usual suspects but no luck. |
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| 17:00.48 | stew | chemokid: check dmesg and /var/log/syslog also |
| 17:00.48 | Braden` | All of my log files in /var/log and /var/log/apache2 are being rotated. I don't mind my /var/log files being rotated, but I do not want my /var/log/apache2 logs rotated. How do I prevent this? |
| 17:01.03 | stew | Muffin: the debian package does this |
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| 17:01.24 | mns | What is a good CLI based DVD burning application ? I've got an ISO image that I need to burn to DVD. |
| 17:01.27 | xtrix | any one know how to get "Magick-config" ? it should be present in my system because i've got imagemagick installed but.. duh |
| 17:01.37 | stew | Braden`: look in /etc/logrotate.d/ |
| 17:01.39 | xtrix | anyone* |
| 17:01.41 | avu | Braden`, apache has a file in /etc/logrotate.d/ to do that |
| 17:01.44 | chemokid | stew: thx, dmesg is printing the errors |
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| 17:03.51 | thex00 | hi, i am looking for a package that includes the SAP R/3 dependancies |
| 17:03.55 | guax | hello, theres any app for debian that configure network in the text mode, that guess the network configs as does netconfig in slackware. i was looking something about etherconf but its out of debian since sarge |
| 17:05.23 | stew | guax: i dont' know of an app besides "editor /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 17:05.27 | sardior | yea, good luck. I can't even log in as root. can't see the bottom options to save the session options |
| 17:05.29 | chemokid | this is really weird |
| 17:05.42 | neonlightning | guax, i just use ifconfig |
| 17:06.04 | guax | stew: i was trying to avoid the user to edit any system file |
| 17:06.12 | sardior | why is there even an option for 640x480? |
| 17:06.20 | alexandroos | why doesn't iceweasel 3.01 show flash videos automatically? a play button appears and i have to click on the button to get it plays then iceweasel crashes in a few seconds.how do i reinstall flash player? |
| 17:06.22 | chemokid | this server had ext3 partitions (with another distro) for a while without any errors and now only this one domU is complaining |
| 17:07.43 | chemokid | http://pastebin.com/m299ae5a2 |
| 17:10.05 | rdz | hi all. just 'aptitude upgrade'd and now there is no symlink in /dev/disk/ pointing to the external drive on /dev/sdb1 created anymore. is it possible to force the creation of those links, even if the device is already plugged in? |
| 17:10.07 | jelly | mns: growisofs will suffice, dvd+rw-tools package |
| 17:10.23 | rdz | (this is after an upgrade and reboot) |
| 17:10.46 | Braden` | If I have a bunch of log files which are whatever.log whatever.log.1 whatever.log.2, how do I merge them all? |
| 17:10.57 | Braden` | I know I use 'cat' in combination with a pipe and something else |
| 17:10.57 | stew | rdz: try udevtrigger |
| 17:11.05 | rdz | stew, thanks.. |
| 17:11.07 | chemokid | more complete output: http://pastebin.com/m52af88a5 |
| 17:11.11 | avu | Braden`, cat whatever.log* > new.log |
| 17:11.41 | rdz | stew, FYI: the problem i have now probably is related to the one i had before with 'device busy' and 'not mounted' |
| 17:11.48 | avu | Braden`, just be sure not to use whatever.log as the ouput filename on the right side |
| 17:11.53 | jelly | avu, Braden`: that won't do it in the correct order |
| 17:12.29 | rdz | stew, no effect |
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| 17:12.44 | werwolf | hi, I have installed debian the first time :) |
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| 17:13.08 | rdz | stew, i tried also '/etc/init.d/udev restart', but this gives me an error: * udev requires a mounted sysfs, not started. failed! |
| 17:13.09 | jelly | Braden`: if you want to preserve order, you'll have to cat oldest first, like cat foo.3 foo.2 foo.1 foo.0 foo > new |
| 17:13.13 | werwolf | I want to copy my skin to opera profile. How can I do it? |
| 17:13.19 | stew | rdz: mount /sys |
| 17:13.38 | werwolf | I tried user/share/opera |
| 17:13.43 | jelly | werwolf: opera isn't part of debian; try asking in ##opera |
| 17:13.45 | werwolf | but it is not permited |
| 17:13.47 | rdz | stew, mount: can't find /sys in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 17:13.58 | \3TATUK | Is there any way I can get an entire listing of default system ownership permissions? (`chown -R bind:bind /*` has accidentally been executed on my system) |
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| 17:14.00 | avu | jelly, you're right of course, sorry. cat whatever.log{.{3,2,1},} > new.log would have been better |
| 17:14.00 | rdz | stew, something seems to be broken, but i don't quite see yet, what exactl |
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| 17:14.32 | stew | rdz: mount -t sysfs none /sys |
| 17:14.45 | widrone | sardior: Someone may need 640x480 perhapps? ymmw you know :) |
| 17:14.45 | mot_ | anybody here use boinc-manager for seti @home? |
| 17:14.55 | mot_ | i've got a work unit running but when i client 'show graphics' nothing happens =\ |
| 17:14.58 | chemokid | argh! this seems to be related to the kernel version that xen uses :( |
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| 17:15.36 | zxxd | hey |
| 17:15.37 | rdz | stew, thanks.. solved all problems |
| 17:15.49 | rdz | also the symlinks are there now |
| 17:15.53 | zxxd | how can i tell a nic module is being loaded after the initrd is loaded? |
| 17:16.08 | zxxd | i have all the net modules inside the initrd |
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| 17:16.48 | simonrvn | \3TATUK: none is stored by default. you can save a copy of the output from a find run that does. (coming up) |
| 17:17.01 | stew | zxxd: do you mean "how can i tell IF a nic module..."? or "how can i tell WHY a nic module..."? or what? |
| 17:18.07 | zxxd | stew, i am booting from the network using NFSROOT , and it says ipconfig faild to set up eth0 no such device , thus it probably didn't load the nic module even though i can see it inside the initrd file , i used cpio to see the content |
| 17:18.09 | \3TATUK | simonrvn: are you going to post? |
| 17:18.34 | rdz | is it possible to have an entry in /etc/fstab but without it being mounted on boot? |
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| 17:18.52 | \amethyst | rdz: yes, put noauto in the options column |
| 17:19.02 | rdz | \amethyst, thanks a lot |
| 17:20.05 | chemokid | does anyone know if grub & etch require ext3 for the /boot partition? or can it be xfs instead? |
| 17:20.08 | bolt | hey. americans! i have an american postal code: 07036. is there a way to get the area code for a phone number out of that? |
| 17:20.29 | bolt | steals today's off-topic price and runs away with it |
| 17:20.45 | bolt | prize* |
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| 17:21.22 | chemokid | bolt: i don't think that's how postal codes work |
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| 17:21.34 | \3TATUK | bolt: 908 |
| 17:21.48 | bolt | \3TATUK: yay. thanks :) |
| 17:21.51 | simonrvn | \3TATUK: well, i can't find it right now, but all you need to do is run a find command that saves an output similar to ls -lA |
| 17:21.59 | themill | Don't all phone numbers in the US start with 555? |
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| 17:22.20 | simonrvn | themill: of course they do |
| 17:22.23 | bolt | themill: i think none do. think it's a movie thing |
| 17:22.29 | themill | bolt: I know |
| 17:22.34 | bolt | themill: norwegian phone numbers, however, can start with 555 |
| 17:22.35 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:22.42 | bolt | there's a number in die hard or something which goes to my aunt |
| 17:22.43 | stew | themill: that's the exchange, not the area code |
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| 17:22.47 | \3TATUK | simonrvn: do you know of any potential problems to look out for in result of me chowning everything to root:root ? |
| 17:22.49 | bolt | ..if you're in norway, that is |
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| 17:23.06 | abrotman | bolt: no there is not, you can get the zip code and stick it in the zip code map, then try to get the area code for that area |
| 17:23.09 | kd8ikt | 867-5309 |
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| 17:23.36 | stew | \3TATUK: in what directory? |
| 17:23.41 | \3TATUK | / |
| 17:23.46 | \3TATUK | chown -R root:root / |
| 17:23.46 | keyhack | I've set up a Debian box, configured to use DHCP. It can access the network, however, I'm unable to resolve the hostname from other machines on the network. What can I do to fix this? |
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| 17:24.02 | abrotman | keyhack: are tehy windows boxes? |
| 17:24.04 | simonrvn | \3TATUK: well, not at first, but you'll have to clean up after that too. better to do it one at a time (e.g., /usr, /var, /etc, etc.) |
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| 17:24.15 | keyhack | abrotman: I'm testing from my OS X laptop |
| 17:24.16 | stew | \3TATUK: yes, lots of things wont be able to write to their log files, or to /var/lib or /var/cache... some things won't be able to read their config files in /etc |
| 17:24.17 | peterrooney | \3TATUK: oh, pretty much everyting will fail? |
| 17:24.22 | simonrvn | and many things won't have root: |
| 17:24.29 | abrotman | keyhack: i'd geuss to install samba and do nmblookups |
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| 17:24.35 | \3TATUK | fuuckk |
| 17:24.50 | sardior | gott i hate this |
| 17:24.50 | simonrvn | it's really messy to fix... |
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| 17:25.00 | peterrooney | damn ^W |
| 17:25.06 | kd8ikt | http://tinyurl.com/GTFO-FAIL |
| 17:25.12 | simonrvn | WorksForMe |
| 17:25.32 | abrotman | kd8ikt: do you actually need help? |
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| 17:26.10 | werwolf | well is there some good file manager for debian like Total Commander, please? |
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| 17:27.34 | stew | werwolf: i'm not familiar with total commander, but perhaps mc or gentoo |
| 17:28.08 | kd8ikt | yeah i cant get snort inline to configure despite my best efforts |
| 17:28.14 | werwolf | mc = midnight commander? |
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| 17:28.20 | SamuraiDio | how can i make aptitude uses a socks4 proxy? |
| 17:28.21 | stew | werwolf: yes |
| 17:28.22 | meistr | Im guessing this isnt the right place to ask but please if its not, then tell me where |
| 17:28.22 | werwolf | and krussader? |
| 17:28.59 | meistr | I have one ip and two dyndns hostnames |
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| 17:29.37 | sardior | can't get the display better than 640x480. if there is no "real" answer I'm going to toss the computer in the garbage. |
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| 17:29.46 | meistr | is it possible to have the router(WRT54G with DD-WRT) to have those two separate dyndns'es to route to two different servers? |
| 17:29.47 | kd8ikt | dyndns=fail they dont even aknowledge ipv6's existance |
| 17:29.58 | stew | sardior: try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 17:30.16 | sardior | i am not a computer geek. stew i did and I am pissed because it didn't work |
| 17:30.19 | meistr | ye but my cable modem provider dosent either so |
| 17:30.38 | stew | sardior: show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:30.40 | keyhack | abrotman: I installed samba, didn't seem to do anything. What is interesting is if I remove the computer name from the /etc/hosts file, the machine itself is unable to resolve it's own name, which is what is odd (and no other machine on the network can resolve it either) |
| 17:30.41 | sardior | 'comnmand not foudn |
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| 17:30.47 | kd8ikt | my isp doesnt but that wont stop me |
| 17:30.55 | stew | sardior: what command gave you that error? |
| 17:30.59 | sardior | can't i'm not on that machine |
| 17:31.12 | stew | sardior: you can't what? |
| 17:31.26 | meistr | kd8ikt: so you just gonna "ninja" a ipv6 adress? |
| 17:31.36 | kd8ikt | basicly |
| 17:31.40 | meistr | nice |
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| 17:31.47 | kd8ikt | with my openwrt router and tunnelbroker.net |
| 17:31.52 | meistr | =P |
| 17:32.03 | kd8ikt | how else do you think i got this sexy hostmask? |
| 17:32.07 | meistr | anyway do you have a solution to my problem? |
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| 17:32.28 | meistr | hmm |
| 17:32.31 | meistr | a bouncer?:P |
| 17:32.41 | simonrvn | revolution? |
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| 17:33.37 | kd8ikt | bouncers are 3rd world... and i'm from the 1st |
| 17:33.43 | meistr | Haha |
| 17:34.29 | kd8ikt | arent there actually people that pay for shells just for a irc bounce |
| 17:34.32 | rwaite | does anyone know the point of the procbususb "mount" in /etc/init.d/mtab.sh? |
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| 17:34.37 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 17:34.57 | rwaite | i think it is causing my entry in /etc/fstab to spew errors about it already being mounted |
| 17:35.03 | meistr | ye you can pay like a 1$ for a month :P |
| 17:35.17 | meistr | with process limiting and stuff |
| 17:35.22 | meistr | no fun |
| 17:35.23 | meistr | =P |
| 17:35.27 | widrone | keyhack: DNS resolving mucked up? Do your dhcp server serv the correct info? |
| 17:35.43 | simonrvn | rwaite: yes, which is why you don't have to do it yourself (in fstab) |
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| 17:36.04 | widrone | keyhack: /etc/resolv.conf on the machine may tell you what it thinks is the dns server ip |
| 17:36.27 | rwaite | simonrvn: but it has -f as an option, which the man page says causes it to fake the mount? |
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| 17:36.41 | keyhack | widrone: right, and shouldn't the DNS server auto-add machines that provide their hostname as they come online? That works for my OS X laptop, so shouldn't the Debian box behave the same? |
| 17:36.48 | widrone | keyhack: Or this was related to samba in particular or to all connectivity on the box? |
| 17:37.08 | rwaite | the jist of it is that i need to modify the permissions of the /proc/bus/usb and i dont know the best way to do this. edit mtab.sh to add the devgid options? |
| 17:37.30 | widrone | keyhack: Not sure on the dhcp proto specks, but I think you have to send hostname for that to work. Maybe the osx does that and debian dhclient does not? |
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| 17:37.38 | simonrvn | rwaite: usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec 0 0 in cat /proc/mounts but doesn't show in 'mount' |
| 17:37.45 | keyhack | widrone: right, appears that way, it's fine for now, just an annoyance more than anything |
| 17:37.51 | simonrvn | it's not really faked |
| 17:38.21 | rwaite | well, then what does the -f do then? is it mounted elsewhere beforehand? |
| 17:39.27 | simonrvn | rwaite: i don't know, but it's not in my mtab |
| 17:39.37 | rwaite | hmm. you on lenny? |
| 17:39.54 | simonrvn | but it *is* showing in /proc/mounts. sid. |
| 17:40.14 | rwaite | ic. well, my 'mount' shows the procbususb entry, which seems to be a fake mount |
| 17:40.23 | rwaite | but there is an actual mount in proc/mounts |
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| 17:40.35 | rwaite | so now i need to find out where that mount is specified |
| 17:41.28 | rwaite | mountkernfs.sh |
| 17:41.32 | rwaite | :) |
| 17:42.08 | cyzie | how to check if the health or state of the harddisk is in OK condition ?> |
| 17:43.22 | cahoot | cyzie: smartmontools might give some info |
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| 17:45.31 | simonrvn | rwaite: :) |
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| 17:46.15 | widrone | keyhack: Look into the -H option on dhclient (if that is what you use) |
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| 17:46.32 | curz0r | what's the site that has all the package info that I can browse through? I'm looking at debian.org and I can't seem to find it. :/ |
| 17:46.33 | andrewe | hi |
| 17:46.40 | widrone | keyhack: Needs to be sent for the dhcp client to provide hostname. |
| 17:47.19 | andrewe | I would like to selectively use a package from sid while using etch. How can I do that? |
| 17:47.48 | \amethyst | !pinning |
| 17:47.48 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning, http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html. If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 17:47.49 | widrone | keyhack: alternattivly, the "send host-name" stanza in the cofigfile. |
| 17:47.51 | \amethyst | !simple sid backport |
| 17:47.51 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 17:47.52 | rwaite | '/msg dpkg simple sid backport' |
| 17:48.15 | curz0r | n/m found it: packages.debian.org |
| 17:48.23 | \amethyst | pinning usually won't work well for a release as old as etch, because too many of the dependencies have likely been upgraded |
| 17:48.23 | andrewe | I just read about pinning, but I thought it was only the other way around. |
| 17:48.40 | andrewe | So, I have to edit my sources.list to contain etch and sid sources, right? |
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| 17:49.11 | andrewe | \amethyst: Should I upgrade to lenny first? |
| 17:49.36 | Michele | oiiie |
| 17:49.46 | curz0r | anyone know when 1:8-7-2 of fglrx-source will be released for i386 in sid? currently only amd64 exists. |
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| 17:50.12 | oliver_g_ | hi |
| 17:50.19 | themill | andrewe: no. Stick to etch and backport the package if it is not already on backports.org |
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| 17:51.19 | andrewe | themill: I will try that |
| 17:51.31 | oliver_g_ | if I have a deb package downloaded and unpacked with apt-get source, and I built it once and then modify some source files, how can I get dpkg-buildpackage to actually rebuild the libs? |
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| 17:52.01 | oliver_g_ | currently it only re-packages the existing libs or something, but it doesn't build anything new |
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| 17:53.05 | MarGarina | I have a really silly question.. but I'll try.. I have a small product which I want to package. Once I create the package, what should I do to add it to the official repositories? |
| 17:53.18 | dondelelcaro | themill: yes, I know; I haven't had a chance to fix it |
| 17:53.22 | andrewe | themill: does your approach use apt-get? Will I be able to do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and get the correct packages? |
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| 17:53.40 | themill | dondelelcaro: just checking :) |
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| 17:54.23 | themill | andrewe: if the package is on backports.org then yes. Otherwise, you are following the instructions that dpkg gave you earlier for a "simple sid backport". |
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| 17:55.19 | znh | I'm trying to use ndiswrapper to get my wireless card to work. It mentions bcm43xx as alternate driver. I blacklisted it, but it still shows me the message.. any ideas?? |
| 17:55.32 | jelly | !popcon |
| 17:55.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
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| 17:56.29 | miasma | does anyone know how to fix my lenny related problem. i updated libpam*, login, and passwd recently. for some reason the login passwords and kde/xscreensaver passwords aren't in sync anymore. after locking the screen the screensaver won't accept any passwords. i already tried to change them without success |
| 17:57.03 | nixbox | which mail server is good? |
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| 17:57.14 | abrotman | depends on what you want to do with mail |
| 17:57.24 | nixbox | just wana read it :P |
| 17:57.32 | abrotman | read it or send it? |
| 17:57.40 | nixbox | both :) |
| 17:57.45 | abrotman | exim or postfix |
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| 17:58.05 | MarGarina | agrees with abrotman |
| 17:58.10 | nixbox | they have both send(SMTP) and recv(POP/IMAP) functionalitty? |
| 17:58.21 | abrotman | pop and imap are not a mail server thing |
| 17:58.35 | zinx | abrotman: huh |
| 17:58.41 | abrotman | what? |
| 17:58.43 | MarGarina | nixbox: I use dovecot for pop/imap, in addition |
| 17:58.46 | andrewe | hm, http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/blender, does it mean it is backported? If so, what do I have to enter into my sources.list? |
| 17:58.50 | abrotman | sorry .. not an SMTP server thing :) |
| 17:58.55 | zinx | abrotman: :D |
| 17:59.01 | nixbox | hehe ok |
| 17:59.04 | abrotman | you knew what i meant! |
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| 17:59.53 | MarGarina | is eagerly waiting for kde4 to enter sid |
| 18:00.11 | maligor | yeah, we all know real mail servers use the Exchange Protocol |
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| 18:00.44 | stew | MarGarina: its not going to happen until after lenny releases |
| 18:01.17 | miasma | um, the pam packages showed a configuration dialog. is there some way to show the dialog again? e.g. dpkg-reconfigure, but i have no idea how it works. dpkg-reconfigure -a always seems to fail since some init script is broken |
| 18:01.18 | MarGarina | stew: but but.... the libs are already there, and even ktorrent uses kde4 libs.. |
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| 18:01.42 | maligor | MarGarina, experimental has 4.1 if you really want it |
| 18:01.56 | maligor | works pretty well too |
| 18:02.00 | MarGarina | maligor: yes yes, I'm quite scared of experimental I guess.. don't want to debug all day.. |
| 18:02.20 | maligor | heh, I only have kde 41 from experimental |
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| 18:02.29 | pozic | In fish you can do this: echo Hello >all_output.txt ^&1 . What's the general syntax to do this? E.g. suppose I wanted to redirect stdout also to fd50..fd60. |
| 18:02.31 | MarGarina | ah. I think I'll be a coward and wait a while :) |
| 18:02.47 | maligor | maybe it'll have more bug fixes by then, eh ;) |
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| 18:05.38 | andrewe | Thanks, themill and \amethyst. I got it now. :-) |
| 18:05.51 | themill | :) |
| 18:07.26 | stew | MarGarina: packages which exist in lenny aren't going to move to kde4 until after lenny is released so that there remains an upgrade path to fix bugs in lenny |
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| 18:11.33 | MarGarina | stew: yes, but why does it affect Sid? |
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| 18:11.58 | stew | MarGarina: becuase packages entering testing do so by first being uploaded to sid, then migrating |
| 18:12.23 | MarGarina | Yes yes, ok. this makes sense. Thanks :) |
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| 18:13.02 | drako | i need to detect which HD is doing failure in my disk array |
| 18:13.08 | drako | how can i figure it out? |
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| 18:14.22 | jelly | drako: it depends on your raid setup. if it's hardware raid, there might be specific tools from your vendor to help with that |
| 18:14.26 | widrone | drako: Depending on the setup and hardware, yes. |
| 18:15.04 | jelly | red or orange leds on hard disks instead of green ones help too :-) |
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| 18:15.34 | miasma | ok i solved my problem. /etc/shadow had wrong permissions |
| 18:15.44 | jelly | drako: if it is linux md softraid, look in /proc/mdstat |
| 18:16.25 | stew | MarGarina: just noticed this: http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/08/21/kde-41-backported-packages-for-lenny/ |
| 18:16.32 | curz0r | so I'm trying to install a backport of the fglrx driver. I was able to download and install the packages, but I still need to build the module. when I run "m-a a-i fglrx" it tries to upgrade to the latest version (lenny). basically, screwing me up. Can anyone give me some direction --not sure what to do. |
| 18:17.13 | drako | its this one -> Compaq Smart Array 5i Controller |
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| 18:18.45 | chemokid | is anyone using ruby enterprise edition on lenny? |
| 18:18.58 | MarGarina | stew: cool.. |
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| 18:20.38 | Ian_Daniher | what program would be best to use for compressing large amounts of plaintext files? |
| 18:20.39 | Ian_Daniher | gzip? |
| 18:20.41 | Ian_Daniher | 7zip? |
| 18:20.46 | Ian_Daniher | rar? |
| 18:20.49 | jelly | drako: then you can use HP's hpacucli |
| 18:20.55 | Ian_Daniher | (xchat logs are huge!) |
| 18:21.00 | drako | jelly, hhmm |
| 18:21.06 | chemokid | Ian_Daniher: bzip2 is pretty decent |
| 18:21.12 | simonrvn | chemokid: what on what on lenny? |
| 18:21.20 | drako | jelly, root@manfred:~# hpacucli |
| 18:21.21 | drako | /opt/compaq/hpacucli/bld/.hpacucli: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:21.22 | chemokid | i use it for sql dumps |
| 18:21.39 | jelly | drako: which debian release is this? |
| 18:21.40 | stew | Ian_Daniher: gzip would be fastest, gzip -9 will be smaller, 7zip will probably be smaller yet. rar costs money |
| 18:21.52 | jelly | drako: HP now has .debs of those tools |
| 18:22.01 | chemokid | simonrvn: is anyone using this www.rubyenterpriseedition.com on debian testing |
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| 18:22.30 | simonrvn | how should i know? |
| 18:22.33 | simonrvn | !popcon |
| 18:22.33 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 18:22.43 | simonrvn | if it's not packaged, you're SOL |
| 18:22.44 | drako | jelly, where!? |
| 18:22.51 | drako | jelly, ive been looking for hours |
| 18:23.01 | jelly | drako: lemme dig that up |
| 18:23.18 | curz0r | so I'm trying to install a backport of the fglrx driver. I was able to download and install the packages, but I still need to build the module. when I run "m-a a-i fglrx" it tries to upgrade to the latest version (lenny). basically, screwing me up. Can anyone give me some direction --not sure what to do. |
| 18:23.24 | chemokid | simonrvn: i was just asking because i installed their deb package and am having issues so i was wondering if anyone else has installed that on their servers as well |
| 18:24.11 | oliver_g_ | curz0r: try the interactive mode fpr m-a |
| 18:24.15 | oliver_g_ | just run m-a |
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| 18:25.04 | oliver_g_ | then go to "Select", select fglrx, and go to "Build" |
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| 18:26.36 | simonrvn | chemokid: 3rd party stuff. ask them. |
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| 18:27.10 | znh | Hello |
| 18:27.20 | znh | I'm having issues with ndiswrapper. Complains about alternate driver |
| 18:27.39 | jelly | drako: http://h20392.www2.hp.com/portal/swdepot/displayProductInfo.do?productNumber=T8570AAE |
| 18:28.58 | znh | it's quite hollow here, not |
| 18:29.28 | drako | jelly, but i don't see any download button |
| 18:29.48 | jelly | drako: might it be [receive for free] one? |
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| 18:30.11 | drako | hhmm thats mean? |
| 18:30.26 | curz0r | thanks oliver_g_ |
| 18:31.03 | drako | jelly, any way to download it? |
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| 18:31.25 | jelly | drako: um... fill in the form and press submit? |
| 18:31.44 | jelly | drako: ... and select the debs you want |
| 18:31.57 | drako | it ask me for a key |
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| 18:34.56 | jelly | drako: oh well. lemme try dcc. |
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| 18:36.53 | drako | jelly, i got it now |
| 18:37.03 | drako | sorry, i was in the wrong form |
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| 18:37.17 | jelly | drako: ok then |
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| 18:40.27 | drako | jelly, let me try it |
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| 18:40.36 | zack23 | is there a way to specify in smb.conf to not advertise there is a samba share on the server? |
| 18:40.55 | jelly | drako: if you have missing dependencies, do a "apt-get -f install" after the dpkg -i ... fails |
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| 18:41.28 | anto | waazap |
| 18:41.30 | anto | i didnt work |
| 18:41.56 | anto | rootnoverify (hd1,1) chainloader +1 |
| 18:42.05 | anto | A disk read error occured |
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| 18:42.43 | drako | jelly, same error. hpacucli |
| 18:42.43 | drako | /opt/compaq/hpacucli/bld/.hpacucli: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:43.07 | jelly | drako: are you running the correct one, from the package? |
| 18:43.16 | widrone | anto: Youre not in the channel you originaly asked are you? But tell us what disk this other os is on and Im guessing there is a grub stanza comming up |
| 18:43.18 | drako | jelly, yes, i deinstalled the last one |
| 18:43.23 | drako | before the new installation |
| 18:43.57 | anto | widrone, yes i am, just a bunch of random youngstering :) |
| 18:44.27 | anto | i got 4 partions on /dev/sda* 1-4 /boot, /, swap /home |
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| 18:44.58 | anto | on /dev/sdb1 i got a bunch of music |
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| 18:45.03 | anto | on /dev/sdb2 i got windows |
| 18:45.07 | jelly | drako: ah. install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
| 18:45.07 | curtmack | okay, I was asking about getting a system copied from one hard drive to another |
| 18:45.12 | curtmack | yesterday it was |
| 18:45.28 | curtmack | anyway, the files are copied, but I can't figure out how to install GRUB on the new HD |
| 18:45.56 | widrone | (1,1) should be it then |
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| 18:46.03 | drako | jelly, wait |
| 18:46.09 | drako | jelly, finding out whats happening |
| 18:46.14 | widrone | anto: (1,1) is the grubs way of pointing to sdb1 I think |
| 18:46.14 | anto | widrone just (1,1) not (hd1,1)? |
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| 18:46.24 | widrone | ah, hd first ofc sorry |
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| 18:46.36 | curtmack | the commands I was told were "mount -t proc none /usb/proc" "chroot /usb" and "grub-install /dev/hdb" (where /usb is the mount point of /dev/hdb, and that's the hard drive I want to install grub on) |
| 18:46.37 | widrone | anto: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Configuration.html |
| 18:46.47 | curtmack | but once I've chrooted to /usb, /dev/hdb no longer exists |
| 18:46.50 | Dominicus_ | I'm trying to use "Clock" v2.14.3 that was installed with Gnome via my Debian 4.0 installer CD. When I click on the "Synchronize clock with internet servers:" feature, it tells me that "NTP support is not installed". But, I've tried a few different ways to make it work, but I'm missing something. Can anyone else me? |
| 18:46.51 | widrone | anto: Alot of different situations covered there |
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| 18:48.20 | curtmack | so how should I go about install grub on /dev/hdb? |
| 18:48.29 | jelly | drako: I've just installed it on an DL380 G3 with etch; that libstdc++ package is the needed dependency and it works after it's installed. |
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| 18:48.51 | drako | yes |
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| 18:49.06 | drako | jelly, i had to install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2\ |
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| 18:49.36 | drako | jelly, damn, my server is crashing and im sure is one hard drive failure |
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| 18:50.04 | jelly | drako: a drive failure should not make a proliant crash |
| 18:50.19 | jelly | drako: have you taken a look at the IML log? |
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| 18:50.37 | drako | damnit... |
| 18:50.40 | drako | /usr/sbin/hpaducli: line 9: /opt/hp/hpadu/bld/lib/.hpaducli: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 18:50.52 | drako | jelly, IML ? |
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| 18:51.15 | jelly | hpaducli != hpacucli |
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| 18:51.35 | lyroy | Does someone know why when I create a file with a user it is owned by root:root instead of by the user who create it.... i'm using libpam-mysql-bg...? |
| 18:51.51 | anto | widrone, that didnt realy give me much helpfull information |
| 18:52.09 | jelly | drako: yes. Which machine do you have? Does it have iLO? |
| 18:53.25 | lyroy | can it be the umask .. it is set to 0022 |
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| 18:54.05 | curtmack | should I try adding /dev/hdb to device.map? |
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| 18:54.08 | drako | jelly, Proliant DL380 G2 |
| 18:54.25 | werwolf | please, how can I install this: OOo_2.4.1_LinuxX86_install_cs_deb.tar.gz |
| 18:55.01 | widrone | anto: You need these stanzas atleast; title, root, chainloader |
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| 18:55.28 | widrone | anto: You need the "makeactive" in there too I think |
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| 18:55.34 | abrotman | werwolf: i'm sure it comes with an INSTALL file |
| 18:55.49 | curtmack | well wait, that wouldn't help... |
| 18:55.50 | werwolf | abrotman: I installed debian lenny |
| 18:55.54 | werwolf | from 1 CD |
| 18:55.58 | abrotman | lenny already has openoffice |
| 18:56.00 | curtmack | or maybe it would |
| 18:56.00 | widrone | anto: If you are un-standard look at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/DOS_002fWindows.html#DOS_002fWindows |
| 18:56.04 | werwolf | :O |
| 18:56.11 | werwolf | where please? |
| 18:56.16 | werwolf | in K-munu? |
| 18:56.18 | werwolf | menu |
| 18:56.19 | abrotman | in what? |
| 18:56.33 | werwolf | where can I find it in the menu |
| 18:56.47 | werwolf | I was looking for it some time |
| 18:56.50 | widrone | anto: The norootverify may apply too, not sure how your setup looks in total. |
| 18:56.55 | werwolf | did not find it |
| 18:56.58 | abrotman | werwolf: aptitude install openoffice.org |
| 18:57.08 | abrotman | you do actually need to install software to use it |
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| 18:57.53 | eraldo | ZOP: still here ? |
| 18:58.11 | werwolf | abrotman: I am compleatly new to linix. What is aptitude? |
| 18:58.18 | werwolf | *linux |
| 18:58.36 | abrotman | how are you installing software now? |
| 18:58.46 | infinity1 | /etc/ssh2 just appeared on my debian server on the 18th. |
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| 18:58.54 | infinity1 | along with /usr/local/sbin/ssh* files |
| 18:58.55 | werwolf | abrotman: by clicking on it |
| 18:59.00 | infinity1 | any ideas how they got in? |
| 18:59.03 | werwolf | I installed only Opera |
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| 18:59.14 | werwolf | .deb |
| 18:59.24 | abrotman | clicking on it? |
| 18:59.29 | werwolf | yes |
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| 18:59.59 | werwolf | I did not install from tar yet |
| 19:00.53 | werwolf | :( |
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| 19:01.14 | abrotman | !tell werwolf about grounding |
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| 19:02.09 | jelly | drako: oh, that was a generation before they started having iLO by default. You might have RILOE card for remote management in there, but you'd probably know it. there's a IML log viewer in hpasm package |
| 19:02.38 | jelly | drako: IML usually contains reasons for the crash if it was hardware caused |
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| 19:03.28 | jelly | drako: so install hpasm, run cpqimlview or hpimlview to view IML log entries |
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| 19:06.56 | drako | jelly, CAUTION: POST Messages - POST Error: 1789-Drive Not Responding, Physical Drive. |
| 19:07.27 | jelly | drako: great. |
| 19:07.36 | drako | jelly, damn |
| 19:07.43 | drako | jelly, still hpadu can't start up |
| 19:07.59 | drako | jelly, root@manfred:~# hpaducli |
| 19:07.59 | drako | /usr/sbin/hpaducli: line 9: /opt/hp/hpadu/bld/lib/.hpaducli: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 19:07.59 | jelly | drako: who said hpadu? hpacucli |
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| 19:09.16 | drako | jelly, so i can't see which hard drive is failuring |
| 19:09.23 | drako | failing... |
| 19:09.35 | jelly | drako: YOU'RE RUNNING THE WRONG COMMAND |
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| 19:09.49 | jelly | drako: hpa C ucli |
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| 19:11.15 | drako | jelly, yes but the ADU is for diagnostic the harddrive it says , anyway, ill try with cucli |
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| 19:13.53 | belou | hey ! People from san francisco ? |
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| 19:14.06 | curz0r | alright! |
| 19:14.08 | curz0r | that does it. |
| 19:14.10 | curz0r | I give up. |
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| 19:14.17 | curz0r | thanks for your help guys. |
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| 19:17.41 | Shai | I've got a CF wifi card I'm trying to use on my h2200 with familiar linux (debian based). It doesn't support wpa with the provided firmware. There is a newer wince firmware that does support wpa. Anyone know how to extract it? |
| 19:17.57 | werwolf | abrotman: I wanted only a quick answer :( |
| 19:18.11 | werwolf | I have allready installed Debian lenny |
| 19:18.21 | werwolf | there is no Open Office |
| 19:18.55 | jelly | werwolf: you would have to install it through debian's package management tools |
| 19:19.03 | stew | !info oppenoffice.org lenny |
| 19:19.06 | werwolf | how? |
| 19:19.13 | stew | werwolf: aptitude install openoffice.org |
| 19:19.51 | werwolf | ~install openoffice.org ? |
| 19:19.52 | apt | ACTION runs yum -y localinstall openoffice.org-4.2-1.noarch.rpm |
| 19:20.14 | werwolf | where I write it? |
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| 19:20.27 | stew | werwolf: you would write it in a shell as root |
| 19:20.43 | werwolf | I have the file on usb now |
| 19:20.46 | werwolf | is it OK? |
| 19:20.52 | stew | werwolf: you have what file on usb? |
| 19:21.15 | werwolf | OOo_2.4.1_LinuxX86_install_cs_deb.tar.gz |
| 19:21.17 | werwolf | this |
| 19:21.41 | stew | werwolf: that is not what we would recommend |
| 19:21.52 | jelly | looks suspiciously at a kernel thread eating 100% CPU 9 root 15 -5 0 0 0 R 99 0.0 79:55 [events/0] |
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| 19:24.24 | drako | jelly, how did you set up ur RAID? i did with the bios utility but nothing on Linux |
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| 19:24.42 | jelly | drako: usually from bios, right |
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| 19:25.39 | werwolf | stew: please tell me, what is the recomanded way |
| 19:25.50 | stew | werwolf: aptitude install openoffice.org |
| 19:26.12 | werwolf | but form where will it be installed? |
| 19:26.15 | werwolf | *from |
| 19:26.30 | Eulex | from your selected debian mirror |
| 19:26.31 | stew | werwolf: from wherever you have configured in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:26.47 | werwolf | I did not configured anyghing |
| 19:26.48 | stew | werwolf: "apt-cache policy openoffice.org" should tell you |
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| 19:27.16 | stew | werwolf: if not you then whomever installed this system |
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| 19:33.45 | lyroy | Does someknow a solution for a problem of file permission over a sshfs mount.... I have a sshfs mount that use the root account to access a network drive for the users home dir... When a user wirte a file in the home direcotry it is own by root:root instead of the user???? Please help |
| 19:33.56 | lyroy | someone know |
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| 19:34.57 | lyroy | I use this: /usr/bin/sshfs -o allow_other,default_permissions .... |
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| 19:36.58 | yitz_ | Is there a way for root to log someone out of GDM ? |
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| 19:38.02 | dondelelcaro | yitz_: you can always use slay |
| 19:38.14 | jelly | drako: there's cpqacuxe to configure the raid controller, but I haven't really used it in Linux |
| 19:38.46 | drako | jelly, and the web utility |
| 19:38.52 | yitz_ | Tell me more about slay? |
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| 19:39.19 | stew | yitz_: apt-cache show slay |
| 19:39.31 | Shai | I've got a CF wifi card I'm trying to use on my h2200 with familiar linux (debian based). It doesn't support wpa with the provided firmware. There is a newer wince firmware that does support wpa. Anyone know how to extract it? |
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| 19:41.26 | achilles | !nvidia |
| 19:41.26 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 19:42.43 | p1ngp0ng | achilles: if you want to install nvidia drivers. just download the driver from nvidia and get the kernel headers. run the install file and you're all set :) |
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| 19:42.54 | p1ngp0ng | i know, coz i just did it my self |
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| 19:44.23 | achilles | p1ngp0ng - with a desktop enviroment system on install.. i'd still have to install 'make' n all that wont i? or aptitude will fix that up when i install the kernel headers? |
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| 19:45.04 | robin_sz | hi there, im told there is a new version of debian out .. does this one run on vista? |
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| 19:46.18 | Shai | !nvidia geforce |
| 19:46.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | well, my notebook has a Broadcom BCM5906M ethernet card. which is not detected under debian etch ! any solution? |
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| 19:46.34 | p1ngp0ng | aptitude will do it all for you. all i did was to run "sh NVIDIA_driver-verison-bla-bla and it installed perfectly. that is after i used aptitude to get the headers |
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| 19:47.07 | achilles | p1ngp0ng, thanks |
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| 19:47.09 | Warp4 | i am trying to set up samba to act as a PDC under Debian using MySQL as an authentication backend. however, when i go to join the domain with winxp home, I get the message saying that the domain controller cannot be contacted. |
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| 19:47.30 | jelly | robin_sz: don't be an arse |
| 19:47.45 | robin_sz | doh, its traditional |
| 19:48.09 | robin_sz | anyway, i look forward to upgrading, well done :) |
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| 19:49.56 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: there is a .24 kernel that might help |
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| 19:50.12 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | so if i update the kernel, it will help? |
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| 19:53.26 | dpreacher | how do i install Emacs on Debian 4.0r4 ? |
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| 19:53.43 | dpreacher | apt get gives this |
| 19:53.43 | apt | ACTION fetches gives this |
| 19:53.50 | stew | dpreacher: aptitude install emacs |
| 19:53.53 | dpreacher | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:53.55 | dpreacher | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.56 | dpreacher | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.58 | dpreacher | E: Broken packages |
| 19:54.03 | dpreacher | i get this error |
| 19:54.06 | abrotman | dpreacher: paste your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 19:54.12 | dpreacher | a min |
| 19:54.26 | Squawk | Hey chaps, I can't seem to stream using bbc iplayer. All I get is a pop up box with a little circle scrolling round and round that would seem to indicate buffering, but the programmes never actually start. Guessing its a simple fix but not idea what it might be. Any suggesgtions? |
| 19:54.33 | laola | how do i enable system messages like the one send from "shutdown -h now" to all apps in my debian setup? |
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| 19:55.11 | stew | laola: do you mean, how would you send such a message? |
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| 19:55.27 | laola | stew: i just get the beep but not the message here |
| 19:55.33 | laola | i do the shutdown in crontab |
| 19:56.02 | laola | and i want the user to know and take his time to save his docsor cancel the shutdown |
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| 19:56.19 | laola | i got some popup back on suse 9.2 or sth. a few years ago |
| 19:56.36 | laola | with the system message of shutdown that is sent to all terminals |
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| 19:57.01 | themill | Squawk: what flash player are you using? (Works for me with flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org (flash version 9.0.124) |
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| 19:59.45 | Squawk | themill, you know what, I have no idea what is actually in use, I did install flashplayer-mozilla but not sure how to ensure its being used |
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| 20:00.02 | themill | Squawk: about:plugins will tell you |
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| 20:01.21 | dpreacher | http://pastebin.ca/1180983 |
| 20:01.26 | dpreacher | this is sources.list |
| 20:01.37 | dpreacher | and i'm not able to install emacs on debian |
| 20:01.43 | Squawk | themill, I have two sections titled "shockwave flash", each with two entries. Presumably there should only be the one? |
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| 20:02.16 | peppe | dpreacher: you don't have a main source... |
| 20:02.21 | themill | Squawk: yes, that would be the normal approach... |
| 20:02.29 | abrotman | dpreacher: which country are you in? |
| 20:02.33 | dpreacher | india |
| 20:02.42 | dpreacher | which is the entry for the main source |
| 20:02.48 | Squawk | themill, yeah I figured. Hmmph, ok I know sod all about browser config, google here me comes |
| 20:02.59 | peppe | dpkg: tell dpreacher about sources.list |
| 20:03.04 | nixbox | i have just setup postfix and dovecot, along with squirrelmail, i can send mail from squirrel mail, but i am not able to receive any, how can i find out whats wrong? |
| 20:03.12 | abrotman | add "deb http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/ etch main contrib" to your sources.list |
| 20:03.43 | dpreacher | indian servers are slow...can you suggest a us server please |
| 20:03.59 | abrotman | did you even try the indian server? |
| 20:04.03 | stew | dpreacher: "/msg dpkg mirrors" for the full list |
| 20:04.05 | abrotman | you don't have it in your lists .. |
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| 20:06.09 | dpreacher | thanks it worked... |
| 20:07.33 | themill | Squawk: if you have both flashplugin-nonfree and flashplayer-mozilla installed then you probably want to get rid of one of them. Similarly if you also isntalled from the adobe download at some time. |
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| 20:08.38 | bigfoot- | just curious, wasn't lenny frozen in the end of July? I'm getting a openssh 4.7p1->5.1p1 update ATM ... isn't that what shouldn't happen after a "freeze"? |
| 20:09.04 | n3kl | !lenny |
| 20:09.04 | dpkg | lenny is probably the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>. |
| 20:09.22 | n3kl | is that first day of september? |
| 20:09.27 | bigfoot- | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html |
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| 20:11.21 | bigfoot- | n3kl: I guess, "when it's done"? ;) |
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| 20:12.55 | radius | has anyone fixed this "openhpid" issue in lenny yet? |
| 20:13.15 | stew | bigfoot-: 5.1 was uploaded to unstable before the freeze. there was a very large number of bugfixes in that release |
| 20:13.36 | radius | checks to make sure he's not invisible as usual ... |
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| 20:13.53 | bigfoot- | stew: Well, but why does it go from unstable to testing now ...? |
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| 20:14.42 | stew | bigfoot-: becuase it fixes a large number of bugs and some of those are security related, some of those being release goals |
| 20:15.19 | bigfoot- | I see, so this is an exception due to fixes of severe bugs/security problems? |
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| 20:15.32 | radius | tries another approach |
| 20:15.37 | radius | anyone like icecream? |
| 20:15.43 | radius | ;p |
| 20:16.27 | Squawk | hey chaps, after running apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla, no flashplayer-mozilla appears in the about:plugins output from iceweasel. I am struggling to stream from iplayer. Advice pls |
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| 20:17.47 | lero | hi all. anyone used to use a storagetek L20 under linux? |
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| 20:20.59 | lyroy | Does someone know a solution for a problem of file permission over a sshfs mount.... I have a sshfs mount that use the root account to access a network drive for the users home dir... When a user wirte a file in the home direcotry it is own by root:root instead of the user???? Please help |
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| 20:22.29 | alphaman1101 | Hola, anyone ever come across a site that would give its readers a tutorial on creating an "ultimate" webserver? like php, apache, mysql, phpmyadmin, ftp, etc... |
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| 20:22.58 | werwolf | alphaman1101: download xampp |
| 20:23.00 | werwolf | all in one |
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| 20:23.15 | alphaman1101 | xampp for debain? |
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| 20:23.22 | werwolf | sorry, not sure |
| 20:23.26 | alphaman1101 | didnt know they did one |
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| 20:23.37 | alphaman1101 | yeah really |
| 20:23.52 | sajes | How come there's no package for emerald? |
| 20:24.01 | werwolf | http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html |
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| 20:25.07 | intelikey | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.08 | cjs_ | if i want to install java 1.6 on etch ... is using the sun-java6 pkg from etch-backports the way to go? |
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| 20:26.35 | intelikey | the issue with ssh is that for some "unknown to me" reason it can't connect with my server. i can chroot into another system and connect from there though. so it's definitely on the debian system that the issues lies. |
| 20:27.02 | intelikey | what's a good way to trouble shoot ssh ? |
| 20:27.05 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: what does ssh -vv foohost; or similar say? |
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| 20:28.07 | mohadib | by chance, anyone know a linux app to start/stop windows services? like "net stop" |
| 20:28.39 | intelikey | debug1: An invalid name was supplied \nA parameter was malformed \nValidation error |
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| 20:29.02 | alphaman1101 | What does proftpd use for its users? |
| 20:29.04 | Lagbolt | mohadib, start stop windows services? like shutting down X server? |
| 20:29.15 | alphaman1101 | does it use the system's users database? |
| 20:29.22 | dondelelcaro | alphaman1101: depends on its setup |
| 20:29.27 | mohadib | Lagbolt: i need top stop mssql before the linux box backups up the db via a smb share |
| 20:29.33 | intelikey | dondelelcaro but now it's working which makes no sense to me. |
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| 20:29.54 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: hard to say why, but temporary network or resolver problems aren't unusual |
| 20:30.01 | alphaman1101 | would webmin have anything to administer proftpd? |
| 20:30.10 | dondelelcaro | !webmin |
| 20:30.10 | dpkg | webmin is, like, a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 20:30.26 | intelikey | dondelelcaro but i'm talking to you over the network through the same server i'm trying to ssh into |
| 20:30.27 | Lagbolt | mohadib, maybe "/etc/init.d/mysql stop" is that what you are looking for? |
| 20:30.36 | alphaman1101 | lol |
| 20:30.51 | mohadib | Lagbolt: i need to stop mssql on the windows box, so the linux box can then backup the db |
| 20:31.04 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: that doesn't mean that resolution didn't fail, but it's impossible for me to tell you exactly what happened without the error message that ssh gave you, and the output of ssh -vv if it wasn't directly related to the network |
| 20:31.04 | Lagbolt | mohadib, ##windows |
| 20:31.14 | mohadib | if it was mysql it would never be on the windows box |
| 20:31.17 | intelikey | dondelelcaro resolution ? |
| 20:31.25 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: name resolution |
| 20:31.25 | mohadib | Lagbolt: this is not a question about windows applications |
| 20:31.37 | intelikey | dondelelcaro ssh root@192.168.0.1 needs resolution ??? |
| 20:31.52 | Lagbolt | mohadib, you said on windows box right? so is it running on windows? |
| 20:32.05 | mohadib | i need to stop the service from linux |
| 20:32.11 | mohadib | like "net stop" for linux |
| 20:32.41 | intelikey | dondelelcaro that does bring up an interesting question. does ssh default to checking with a dns before attempting to connect ? |
| 20:32.50 | mohadib | linux has some net commands, just no stop that i see :\ |
| 20:33.02 | Lagbolt | you want to stop the linux networking? |
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| 20:33.21 | mohadib | Lagbolt: no |
| 20:33.39 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: of course |
| 20:33.49 | Lagbolt | mohadib, i dont understand what you want. you want to stop a service running on linux box? or stop linux from accessing a service on windows? or stop some service on windows |
| 20:33.56 | unop | looks like he wants to stop a windows service from a linux box. |
| 20:34.17 | Lagbolt | unop, hmm that could be it |
| 20:34.27 | mohadib | unop: yes |
| 20:34.34 | intelikey | dondelelcaro you mean that "yes ssh attempts dns lookup each time. reguardless of what ip is given ?" if so is there a way to correct that issue ? |
| 20:34.37 | mohadib | the way "net" commands work |
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| 20:34.51 | mohadib | i figure at work i could possiby script something with telnet |
| 20:34.57 | mohadib | worst* |
| 20:35.05 | unop | mohadib, i'm not sure that would be possible from linux .. but you could use telnet or something to log on to the windows box and run the commands |
| 20:35.16 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: that's not an issue; it has to check the dns reverse lookup and the forward lookup if it's given a name. The server you connect to does the same |
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| 20:35.21 | mohadib | ok, thanks, i thought we might have something |
| 20:35.22 | fr00g | hi, have plugged a device to serial port.now i try to find it with a minicom. dmesg|grep tty shows nothing. can i 'reload' the ttyS's anyhow? when i boot with the plugged device i can see it n minicom. |
| 20:35.57 | cloakable | fr00g: serial ports don't hotplug, sorry. You need to reboot. |
| 20:36.09 | alphaman1101 | wow it took me 3 minutes to figure out why the server wasnt responding. Diagnosis. Power cord riped from wall |
| 20:36.31 | jelly-home | cloakable: are you serious? I can't tell. |
| 20:36.32 | intelikey | dondelelcaro it is an issue if it's given an ip and the network is unreachable (thus no dns) until the connection is made and a command ran over the ssh connection. it's definitely an issue. |
| 20:36.39 | unop | mohadib, or if you have ssh installed on the windows box .. you could do something like ssh user@windowsbox 'net stop mysql' |
| 20:36.44 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: the dns will timeout |
| 20:36.52 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: so it just takes longer to connect |
| 20:37.01 | HeXiLed | is there a deb source for apt-get to install filezilla with ssl support ? |
| 20:37.16 | alphaman1101 | when did windows get ssh |
| 20:37.28 | intelikey | dondelelcaro ok i'll look in the configs for a timeout setting and set it to 1 |
| 20:37.30 | HeXiLed | alphaman1101 server ? |
| 20:37.38 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: there's no timeout setting; it's done at the system level |
| 20:37.41 | alphaman1101 | ahh, that would explain |
| 20:37.49 | HeXiLed | there is a closed source non free version |
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| 20:37.52 | mohadib | unop: hmm, sounds like a good idea, thanks |
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| 20:37.57 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: and there's no reason why you wouldn't have a functional dns server at any time you'd have a connection |
| 20:39.14 | cloakable | jelly-home: oh shize, I misread the request! |
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| 20:39.15 | dondelelcaro | (or alternatively, you'd stick the ips into /etc/hosts or similar) |
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| 20:39.15 | {mg} | Hey People! I use one computer as a gateway to the internet (via iptables -j SNAT). Can I set up this machine in a way, so that when a browser connects to a certain domain, it gets redirected to another domain? any ideas? |
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| 20:39.15 | intelikey | dondelelcaro yes there is. i don't have a way to startup the network (inet on dialup) without ssh working. and ssh doesn't work unless the internet dns is reachable that is an ISSUE to me. |
| 20:39.17 | dondelelcaro | {mg}: yes, you can, but that's not at all a good idea. |
| 20:39.19 | drako | jelly, have you tried the web utility? |
| 20:39.29 | {mg} | dondelelcaro: how would you do it? |
| 20:39.31 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: it does work even if the dns isn't reachable |
| 20:39.46 | jelly-home | drako: I haven't tried cpqacuxe under linux |
| 20:39.52 | intelikey | dondelelcaro if it was working i would be in here asking. |
| 20:39.59 | {mg} | dondelelcaro: we want to run some experiments in our company. like "what if we swap google with another search engine" etc. |
| 20:40.05 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: it just takes longer; plus, you should have a caching dns server that can resolve your local ips on whatever machine you're loging into anyway |
| 20:40.06 | intelikey | dondelelcaro so we've come full circle |
| 20:40.13 | drako | jelly-home, well i can't login , even with the root account |
| 20:40.23 | drako | jelly-home, those it use other kind of auth? |
| 20:40.35 | intelikey | dondelelcaro why should i have a chching dns server for my lan ? |
| 20:40.47 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: because your local ips in your lan should resolve? |
| 20:41.19 | jelly-home | drako: I don't know, never used it. |
| 20:41.37 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: plus, since you're using some kind of dialup, the less traffic you send over your modem, the better. |
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| 20:42.27 | jelly-home | drako: you ought to be able to see which disk failed using hpacucli to show you the raid array status |
| 20:43.50 | alphaman1101 | Guys am i missing files? http://s390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/alphaman1101/?action=view¤t=phpmyadmin.jpg |
| 20:43.57 | drako | jelly-home, well the server just hangup like 20min ago and in the IML logs nothing was show |
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| 20:44.26 | jelly-home | drako: well it is pretty old, isn't it :-) |
| 20:44.57 | alphaman1101 | edfit: http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/alphaman1101/phpmyadmin.jpg |
| 20:45.09 | alphaman1101 | is that the right file count? |
| 20:45.34 | jelly-home | drako: I'll trade you a suspicious DL360G4 that died twice in the last 7 days! |
| 20:45.45 | drako | no thanks |
| 20:45.48 | drako | damnit |
| 20:45.53 | drako | no budget for a new server |
| 20:45.57 | drako | i have 3 spare harddrive |
| 20:46.01 | alphaman1101 | want al mini |
| 20:46.16 | drako | but can't figure which one should I replace... |
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| 20:46.33 | alphaman1101 | how do i completely remove an installation |
| 20:46.37 | drako | hpacucli show me: Smart Array 5i in Slot 0 Controller Status: OK Cache Status: OK |
| 20:46.38 | steven__ | hi |
| 20:46.51 | steven__ | how do i install just select packages from lenny on etch ? |
| 20:47.05 | jelly-home | drako: what about the raid arrays? |
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| 20:47.17 | asphyxia | hi |
| 20:47.27 | drako | jelly-home, trying to figure how to check that |
| 20:47.52 | steven__ | drako: to check array status you need to use arrayprobe |
| 20:47.57 | jelly-home | drako: "help" |
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| 20:48.21 | jelly-home | steven__: he already has hp's utilities |
| 20:48.48 | steven__ | jelly-home: arrayprobe is the command for smartarrays that states the raid info |
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| 20:49.52 | steven__ | the hpcli is difficult to use you can status with somethin like slot=1 ctrl=1 logical=1 detail |
| 20:49.52 | drako | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/m30a215bb |
| 20:50.06 | drako | steven__, hmm thats a debian package? |
| 20:50.10 | steven__ | i forget i only use it when i have to :) |
| 20:50.20 | steven__ | it is in the debian repo |
| 20:50.25 | steven__ | aptitude install arrayprobe |
| 20:50.38 | jelly-home | drako: so it says the array is ok. hm. |
| 20:50.42 | steven__ | i use it on all our hp servers as part of a nagios check |
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| 20:53.22 | jelly-home | drako: "hpacucli ctrl slot=0 show config detail" will show more data |
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| 20:55.12 | neukadmin | hi is there a way to easily install xen 3.1 on debian4? |
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| 20:57.09 | drako | jelly-home, hmm http://pastebin.com/m24ed7034 |
| 20:57.24 | Zambezi | xulrunner-stub uses 10% memory of 2 GB. Anyone else with this problem? I think it's related to AdBlock Plus. |
| 20:57.49 | alphaman1101 | Ok ive just instaled phpmyadmin clean. (destroyed the archived file and removed and re installed) but i still cant seem to access. it is mysite/phpmyadmin right? |
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| 20:58.18 | drako | jelly-home, but i need a kind of stress test or something to see what fails |
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| 21:00.47 | jelly-home | drako: I don't know what "Parity Initialization Status: Initialization Failed" for the raid5 with small disks means; the rest looks fine |
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| 21:02.34 | jelly-home | drako: hope you have backups of the data on the raid0 array :-) |
| 21:02.40 | drako | lol |
| 21:02.42 | drako | yes i do |
| 21:02.56 | jelly-home | !raid0 |
| 21:02.56 | dpkg | raid0 is, like, the wrong choice, the worst solution of several options to solve the same problem (see lvm). It is also a misnomer, since the R of RAID is for Redundant, and RAID0 isn't. http://bash.org/?854608 |
| 21:02.57 | drako | but i don't have another server as backup :P |
| 21:03.20 | alphaman1101 | Anyone Read Me? |
| 21:04.28 | jelly-home | drako: a DL380G3 or G4 will have a compatible controller and take 3.5" scsi drives, so if you could find a G3, you'd be fine |
| 21:04.48 | alphaman1101 | Wo no one reads? |
| 21:05.01 | mick_laptop | anyone know of software that looks at your code and finds duplication? i just inherited some code where someone did a lot of copy+pasting -- it is just horrible :-/ |
| 21:05.33 | ZOP | heh bash.org has been down for me for a while |
| 21:05.51 | mick_laptop | ZOP: and magically your productivity went up ;) |
| 21:06.05 | ZOP | mick_laptop: naaah. rarely visited the place. |
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| 21:06.35 | jelly-home | hmph, it's really down |
| 21:07.21 | alphaman1101 | hmm FreeNode Pings but i guess no one can read this? |
| 21:07.38 | jelly-home | alphaman1101: I read you |
| 21:08.00 | jelly-home | alphaman1101: just don't have anything to offer |
| 21:08.01 | alphaman1101 | Jelly-home copy that. Thought i was alone in the internet for a minute |
| 21:08.35 | drako | jelly-home, i told you, i have 3 harddrive stored here for replacement |
| 21:08.39 | ZOP | alphaman1101: really if you see people chatting and you can ping the server, IRC is working fine. |
| 21:08.41 | drako | jelly-home, the problem is which one replace? |
| 21:08.53 | neukadmin | hi is there a way to easily install xen 3.1 on debian4? |
| 21:09.03 | drako | jelly-home, plus 0 budget |
| 21:09.12 | jelly-home | drako: well, the controller says they're all fine |
| 21:09.25 | achilles | Hey, i have a debian 4.0r3 cd.. To be up to date, is it just a matter of aptitude update and upgrade? If it spits out about a kernel being kept back, pop a dist-upgrade? |
| 21:09.53 | drako | something else failing? |
| 21:09.54 | alphaman1101 | I cant belive how far bahind in knowledge my IT teacher is |
| 21:10.03 | jelly-home | drako: perhaps |
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| 21:10.09 | kempo | hello everybody |
| 21:10.15 | alphaman1101 | today he had no idea about using putty to remote access the server. has no idea about php |
| 21:10.20 | jelly-home | drako: "insufficient data" |
| 21:10.25 | alphaman1101 | dont they have to be certified? |
| 21:10.39 | meistr | what tha hell is SSH=! |
| 21:10.51 | meistr | isnt that a securety hole by debian devs? |
| 21:10.58 | dondelelcaro | meistr: huh? |
| 21:11.01 | alphaman1101 | not that i know of |
| 21:11.06 | alphaman1101 | you still need to login |
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| 21:11.16 | drako | jelly-home, wait, this morning, the tech assistance here... says the server when he rebooted (hard way) it stop on array failure, i told him to pull out the harddrives and pull them in again |
| 21:11.17 | kempo | why cant apt update via apt-get update? the server seams to be unreachable, |
| 21:11.19 | drako | and the server booted |
| 21:11.27 | drako | but now it crash every hour |
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| 21:11.32 | dondelelcaro | kempo: you'd have to give us the full output with your apt-cache policy; |
| 21:11.39 | meistr | dondelelcaro: was just looking to see if any fanboy's where to stand up and shout at me |
| 21:11.51 | kempo | Get:2 ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org stable Release.gpg [386B] |
| 21:11.51 | jelly-home | drako: what was the date on the IML log entry, this morning? |
| 21:11.51 | kempo | Err ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org stable Release.gpg Could not connect data socket, connection timed out |
| 21:11.52 | Shai | Anyone installed linux on their pocketpc? |
| 21:11.55 | drako | thats why i was looking at the harddrives |
| 21:12.16 | drako | jelly-home, nothing, last iml is like 6 aug |
| 21:12.18 | alphaman1101 | Im getting a 505 accessing phpmyadmin. is that due to mod? |
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| 21:12.56 | meistr | http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/29179 this was the "security hole" i was mentoning |
| 21:12.58 | newsense | has a system that wont install debian so i tried a few other os's and distros of linux and the thing keeps freezing, kbd becomes unresponzive and i noticed even the leds for numlock etc. stop coming when this happens, any ideas ? |
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| 21:13.07 | newsense | sorry if im off topic a bit |
| 21:13.13 | drako | hmmm |
| 21:13.16 | drako | âDescription : Automatic Operating System Shutdown Initiated Due to Overheat Condition |
| 21:13.22 | drako | this was last month |
| 21:13.26 | newsense | ram has been memtested |
| 21:13.37 | Shai | newsense same thing when you run a livecd? |
| 21:13.41 | dondelelcaro | meistr: what about it? it's been fixed and well publicized for quite some time now |
| 21:14.00 | alphaman1101 | guys i know im starting to become a nusence. but i need phpmyadmin to work. im not comforable edditing the mysql by command. anyone else get 505 at this site? http://clubmckinley.hopto.org/phpmyadmin |
| 21:14.01 | newsense | i had kubuntu live up once and it froze no luck with debian live though |
| 21:14.20 | newsense | dondelelcaro: this was after trying many times |
| 21:14.23 | alphaman1101 | newsense, Ram? |
| 21:14.25 | jelly-home | drako: hm. stray dust rearranged after you touched the server and is now making it unstable? :-) No ideas. If it's the only one, I'd try cleaning it up, pull the disks, vacuum, reseat everything... the usual |
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| 21:14.59 | newsense | alphaman1101: ram memtest86 and it took forever, not sure if thats normal but got no errors |
| 21:15.10 | alphaman1101 | newsense, thats ok |
| 21:15.15 | alphaman1101 | but how much ram do you have? |
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| 21:15.38 | newsense | about 512 i believe |
| 21:15.42 | cjs_ | anyone have any idea what pkg ant-contrib would be found in? doesn't seem to be part of ant, or ant-optional |
| 21:15.55 | newsense | 950mhz processor |
| 21:15.57 | jelly-home | alphaman1101: 500? yes. check webserver error logs. |
| 21:15.57 | alphaman1101 | that should be enough. maby a bad drive? |
| 21:16.03 | drako | ill try it |
| 21:16.05 | \sia\ | !tell Arastein about etch |
| 21:16.10 | alphaman1101 | my laptop does that |
| 21:16.15 | alphaman1101 | i have yet to take it in. |
| 21:16.25 | alphaman1101 | kelly-home, did it load slow? will check |
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| 21:16.34 | alphaman1101 | jelly-home^^ |
| 21:16.35 | drako | shutting down |
| 21:16.40 | drako | is my gateway too |
| 21:16.54 | \sia\ | !tell Arastein about dpkg |
| 21:17.08 | jelly-home | alphaman1101: immediate Internal Server Error |
| 21:17.14 | newsense | i have 2 hdd's |
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| 21:17.31 | alphaman1101 | newsence, remove one see if it helps |
| 21:17.32 | newsense | maybe disconnect one ? guess it wouldnt hurt |
| 21:17.51 | XLV | anyone got some link on guide to create a jbod with two hdds on debian? cant seem to find one |
| 21:17.56 | newsense | ok thaks guys brb got only one monitor, no kvm switch |
| 21:18.13 | alphaman1101 | jelly-home, sorry nvr really checked a log before. Wheres they at? |
| 21:18.17 | alphaman1101 | apache2 |
| 21:18.37 | jelly-home | alphaman1101: /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 21:18.42 | widrone | alphaman1101: /var/log for starters, lots of logs there. |
| 21:18.42 | jelly-home | or similar |
| 21:19.51 | alphaman1101 | ha |
| 21:19.59 | alphaman1101 | someone thinks my site has a proxie service |
| 21:20.05 | kempo | NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D how can i add tis key to apt ? |
| 21:20.11 | kempo | its for us.debian.org stable |
| 21:21.00 | kempo | i am getting an error cause the key could not be verified through apt-get update |
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| 21:21.39 | jelly-home | !topicsmite kempo |
| 21:21.39 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon kempo. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:22.30 | kempo | oops ^^ |
| 21:22.40 | kempo | should run away |
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| 21:23.22 | alphaman1101 | hmm |
| 21:23.39 | alphaman1101 | phpmyadmin added a folow link in their .htaccess file removed and it works |
| 21:23.39 | intelikey | i'm having an issue with ssh if anyone can point me in the right dirrection http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d62c8e5bc |
| 21:24.35 | alphaman1101 | debian not ubuntu. Try #ubuntu |
| 21:25.09 | jelly-home | we don't know that was run on ubuntu, actually :-) |
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| 21:25.23 | alphaman1101 | tty24 [root@localhost/~] chroot /mnt/ubuntu/ |
| 21:25.44 | intelikey | alphaman1101 it's debian not ubuntu but you wouldn't know...... |
| 21:25.52 | danners | but he has the problem on a other system, which could be debian |
| 21:25.57 | marcos_potter | a little question: |
| 21:26.01 | jelly-home | alphaman1101: ssh was run before that |
| 21:26.10 | marcos_potter | debian support zeroconf??? |
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| 21:26.35 | alphaman1101 | thats the last time i take a case |
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| 21:28.02 | thedonvaughn | marcos_potter: yup. http://wiki.debian.org/ZeroConf |
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| 21:28.43 | alphaman1101 | who just pinged me |
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| 21:29.02 | thedonvaughn | alphaman1101: get a better client. Hy71194 sent a CTPC VERSION to whole channel |
| 21:29.11 | alphaman1101 | lol |
| 21:29.34 | Saar | if I find a compromised key with ssh-vulnkey like this: COMPROMISED: 2048 4d:9a:78:92:9a:cd:... root@example, where can I find the file containing this key? |
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| 21:30.29 | xnixan | my inspiron 6400 laptop screen resolution does not change after modifying xorg.conf? |
| 21:30.37 | xnixan | any idea? |
| 21:31.14 | intelikey | anyone have a clue on why debian's ssh depends on inet connection, even for lan ip ? or how to fix ? |
| 21:32.03 | intelikey | i mean it's an oximoron to have to be connected to the internet to access my server so i can connect to the internet |
| 21:32.04 | dondelelcaro | Saar: ssh-vulnkey prefixes that with the filename if it's not given from stdin |
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| 21:32.24 | jelly-home | intelikey: it definitely looks unusual. what about ssh -vv or -vvv output? |
| 21:32.35 | Saar | it didn't thats the problem |
| 21:33.12 | intelikey | jelly-home i'll have to disconnect from the inet to test it. do you want me to go get that output? |
| 21:33.30 | thedonvaughn | intelikey: you don't _have_ to be connected to the 'inet' to have ssh up. |
| 21:33.59 | intelikey | thedonvaughn i have to be connected to the inet before i can use ssh to access my lan server |
| 21:34.09 | intelikey | thedonvaughn that's the issue. |
| 21:34.51 | thedonvaughn | can u talk to this other node on your network at all? |
| 21:35.05 | jelly-home | intelikey: you have to have an internet connection on machine A to be able to ssh from A to B both on your LAN? |
| 21:35.12 | thedonvaughn | and unless both nodes have public IPs, that doesn't make sense. |
| 21:35.22 | intelikey | it's an idiotic loop 1. inet required to access server. 2. access to server required to activate inet connection. |
| 21:35.40 | thedonvaughn | intelikey: hey we didn't setup your network :) |
| 21:35.43 | Saar | dondelelcaro: much of the output of ssh-vulnkey -a is just "statement: 2048 ac:45:... blah@example" without any file name |
| 21:35.47 | \amethyst | intelikey: what happens when you're not connected? |
| 21:35.48 | thedonvaughn | idiotic is as idiotic does :0 |
| 21:35.52 | \amethyst | intelikey: does it hang for a long time? |
| 21:36.02 | intelikey | http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d62c8e5bc \amethyst |
| 21:36.10 | intelikey | \amethyst yes |
| 21:36.19 | Saar | which forces me to grep around for blah@example to actually find it, and i can't always find it |
| 21:36.29 | \amethyst | intelikey: it's probably reverse DNS lookups |
| 21:36.45 | intelikey | \amethyst did you look at the pastebin ? |
| 21:36.48 | dondelelcaro | Saar: could be an older version; the version in unstable lists the filename |
| 21:36.50 | \amethyst | intelikey: until you have DNS up and working the server should have an entry for the client in /etc/hosts |
| 21:37.03 | \amethyst | intelikey: yes: '# |
| 21:37.04 | \amethyst | Cannot determine realm for numeric host address' |
| 21:37.22 | Saar | this is etch |
| 21:37.46 | intelikey | \amethyst and why is debian failing on that while chrooting into ubuntu does not fail ? |
| 21:37.47 | jelly-home | \amethyst: that sounds rather dumb on sshd's part |
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| 21:38.58 | intelikey | i can't believe it's the servers fault. why then would another distro "ubuntu by name" work fine from the same box same running system, through chroot ? |
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| 21:39.30 | jelly-home | intelikey: wait, you only change the client |
| 21:39.43 | \amethyst | hm |
| 21:39.45 | intelikey | jelly-home http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d62c8e5bc |
| 21:39.57 | jelly-home | intelikey: I've seen it |
| 21:40.12 | intelikey | yes only change the client |
| 21:40.18 | \amethyst | intelikey: check the differences in the Debian and Ubuntu ssh_config files then |
| 21:40.36 | thedonvaughn | intelikey: what \amethyst says and also check diff in /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts *shrugs* |
| 21:40.42 | jelly-home | !blame mdns |
| 21:40.42 | dpkg | blames Dave2 and mdns for all the evil in the world |
| 21:40.51 | \amethyst | intelikey: it might be that the Debian one is doing CheckHostIP and the Ubuntu isn't |
| 21:40.56 | intelikey | \amethyst i'll just copy over the one from ubuntu and test. |
| 21:41.04 | \amethyst | intelikey: or something similar |
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| 21:41.15 | intelikey | thedonvaughn i did already copy over the resolv.conf they are == |
| 21:41.27 | \amethyst | intelikey: I guess that message (cannot determine realm) is coming from the client, not the server |
| 21:41.32 | jelly-home | intelikey: what thedonvaughn says, and /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 21:41.36 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 21:41.45 | intelikey | also /etc/host* |
| 21:42.04 | intelikey | jelly-home k. i'll look there too. |
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| 21:42.39 | jelly-home | I bet it's avahi/mdns4/zeroconf |
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| 21:42.54 | thedonvaughn | yah not a fan, i disable all that stuff on me boxes. |
| 21:42.54 | dcestari | hello all, could anyone tell me the difference between a gateway and a NAT ? |
| 21:43.19 | c`alin | from what ir ecall, gateways perform NAT occationally |
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| 21:44.12 | BarrySDCA | Does anyone know where I can download the Debian x64 DVD .iso image? The site is giving me an error when I try to download |
| 21:44.32 | thedonvaughn | dcestari: a NAT is network address translation. there's SNAT for source and DNAT for destination. If source IP is AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD send to BBB.CCC.DDD.AAA in lamen terms. A gateway is just a device or interface on network that handels forwading packets outside it's subnet to find it's destination. |
| 21:44.36 | intelikey | jelly-home avahi/mdns4/zeroconf <<< @ me ? not applicable |
| 21:44.51 | jelly-home | intelikey: check your nsswitch.conf |
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| 21:45.27 | intelikey | jelly-home yeah i copied it over. but what app will access that file nsswitch.conf ? |
| 21:45.40 | intelikey | i probably don't use it... |
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| 21:46.15 | dcestari | thedonvaughn: I have a network 10.0.0.0 and a 192.168.0.0 network, I have machine 192.168.0.103 on eth0 and 10.0.0.254 on eth1, I want to use it as a gateway for 192.168.0.0 and 10.0.0.0 and viceversa. is this nat? |
| 21:46.18 | p1ngp0ng | i've just noticed something really strange. (relatively speaking) i was installing the kernel headers today using aptitude. But something isnt right. when i reboot now, and i get to the brub boot loader, i seem to have all the architectures for my current kernel and the previous one on the boot list. any idea what the hell i did wrong? and what do i do to fix it? |
| 21:46.21 | jelly-home | intelikey: oh, yes you do. It's configuration for glibc resolver |
| 21:46.25 | thedonvaughn | intelikey: you probably do :) Everything uses it for look ups. pam for authentication, dns resolving, etc etc. Well rather it tells everything where to look and what protocol. |
| 21:47.10 | intelikey | jelly-home ah glibc i didn't know debian used glibc figured libc6 |
| 21:47.19 | jelly-home | glibc == libc6 |
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| 21:47.39 | thedonvaughn | dcestari: no you shouldn't need a NAT. basically once your machine with interfaces to both networks is setup, make that machine your 'default gateway/router' for all other clients. |
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| 21:48.38 | intelikey | ok i'll go and test now. if it fails i'll bring back with me a pastebin of ssh -vvv for you |
| 21:49.01 | thedonvaughn | dcestari: well and after you setup your rules with iptables |
| 21:49.09 | fresno | hi. Is it here to contact with the alioth admins? |
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| 21:51.47 | Gillpy | Is it possible for me to get a list of the most recently upgraded packages, or to ask dpkg when a package was upgraded ? |
| 21:52.17 | Eulex | Gillpy, you can look in dpkg's log |
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| 21:52.31 | Eulex | /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 21:52.32 | tecky | yay for reinstalling Debian 4.0r4 :( |
| 21:53.00 | dondelelcaro | why? |
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| 21:54.58 | intelikey | ok. it may well have been /etc/nsswitch.conf it was either that or something in /etc/ssh/ cause i copied both blindly over from ubuntu either way it works. thanks fellows. |
| 21:55.18 | jelly-home | intelikey: now you'll never know! |
| 21:55.35 | \amethyst | intelikey: I bet the client can't look up the server's hostname |
| 21:55.46 | intelikey | jelly-home if it doesn't happen again, i'll never care either.... |
| 21:55.53 | \amethyst | intelikey: or rather, can't reverse-lookup the server's IP |
| 21:56.01 | Gillpy | Eulex: tnx, |
| 21:56.14 | jelly-home | \amethyst: wtf would it want to do that? |
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| 21:56.42 | \amethyst | jelly-home: man ssh_config, look for CheckHostIP |
| 21:56.50 | \amethyst | I suspect that's off in the Ubuntu config |
| 21:57.14 | intelikey | \amethyst and i would want that on for what exactly ? |
| 21:57.47 | \amethyst | intelikey: as the manual says, to detect whether host key changes are a result of DNS spoofing |
| 21:57.58 | intelikey | like i need/want to ssh google.com or something ;/ |
| 21:58.00 | \amethyst | err |
| 21:58.00 | jelly-home | \amethyst: it does mention no need to rev-lookup, when the ip address is already given by the user? |
| 21:58.03 | \amethyst | maybe I'm wrong |
| 21:58.11 | \amethyst | that seems like a forward lookup, you're right |
| 21:58.26 | jelly-home | avahi! :-) |
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| 21:58.44 | \amethyst | oh well, gtg |
| 21:58.45 | jelly-home | haet avahi |
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| 21:59.05 | intelikey | again thanks guys. i think all is well now. |
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| 22:00.04 | jelly-home | intelikey: usually when something goes wrong, one should change one thing at a time and retest |
| 22:00.31 | intelikey | you can congratuate me on my first pure debian install :) only issue was getting the installer to install on /dev/hda and this ssh issue. |
| 22:00.39 | jelly-home | intelikey: (and keep the original setup, too) |
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| 22:01.18 | intelikey | jelly-home yeah. if they are trying to find it. and i probably should have been trying to find the cause, rather than just correcting it. |
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| 22:02.17 | jelly-home | oh well! |
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| 22:05.39 | meistr | where can i buy debian merchandise? |
| 22:05.45 | Pengue | somebody who knows what they are talking about, please answer. If I have 100% got every package I need to do an upgrade from etch to lenny (no, I cant do a dist-upgrade) would doing dpkg --force-all -i *.deb work for me? Many thanks. |
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| 22:07.13 | wols_ | Pengue: if you have every package then you can do a dist-upgrade |
| 22:07.19 | KiDFlaSh | what do you think about kde4.1 on debian? |
| 22:07.26 | SerajewelKS | ok this is odd, but whenever i hit capslock or numlock on my laptop, i get about five of these in dmesg: psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost sync at byte 1 |
| 22:07.27 | wols_ | KiDFlaSh: nothing since it |
| 22:07.30 | wols_ | it'`s OT here |
| 22:07.31 | SerajewelKS | the system freezes for a few seconds |
| 22:07.44 | SerajewelKS | and finally the touchpad resets all its settings |
| 22:07.57 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:07.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 22:08.03 | KiDFlaSh | what would you say if someone had build kde4.0 for debian and updated it to 4.1? |
| 22:08.07 | SerajewelKS | why would capslock/numlock be causing these kind of issues? |
| 22:08.15 | tarzeau | KiDFlaSh: nice? |
| 22:08.15 | Pengue | wols_ even if I have no network? |
| 22:08.17 | wols_ | !kde4 |
| 22:08.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. See http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ Experimental packages for KDE 4.1 are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 22:08.20 | wols_ | Pengue: yes |
| 22:08.26 | Pengue | thanks |
| 22:08.36 | KiDFlaSh | hehe |
| 22:08.37 | tarzeau | KiDFlaSh: we have users that build their own new kde version for themselves on our history stable debian workstations |
| 22:08.40 | KiDFlaSh | its very nice |
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| 22:08.58 | tarzeau | KiDFlaSh: i've seen nicer things |
| 22:09.07 | KiDFlaSh | ^^ |
| 22:09.18 | SerajewelKS | now i'm going to be avoiding capslock like the plague |
| 22:10.16 | KiDFlaSh | what did you see? |
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| 22:13.41 | dcestari | thedonvaughn: could you help me a little? |
| 22:14.15 | dcestari | thedonvaughn: a little more hehe |
| 22:14.32 | dcestari | thedonvaughn: do I use forward? |
| 22:15.36 | Gillpy | How can I retract a bug report ? ( I realised a bug had already been filed) |
| 22:15.51 | tarzeau | Gillpy: man bts, bts merge |
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| 22:18.30 | n-iCe | hi |
| 22:18.43 | Gillpy | tarzeau: is no bts package anywhere |
| 22:19.20 | tarzeau | Gillpy: apt-get install devscripts |
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| 22:27.35 | jberg | uhm, is there a way to find out which one of /dev/sda{1,2,3,4} is my ntfs partition? |
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| 22:28.06 | mmlj4 | cat /etc/fstab |
| 22:28.24 | \amethyst | jberg: look at the FS type flag with cfdisk |
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| 22:28.52 | \amethyst | jberg: that will at least narrow it down; then you can try mounting each of the possible partitions with -t ntfs until one works :) |
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| 22:29.31 | jberg | okay, thanks |
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| 22:31.17 | roe_ | anyone have a good graphical sftp client? |
| 22:32.11 | jberg | strange, i tried to mount everyone, but the files were not showing |
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| 22:34.35 | dcestari | how do I set up a gateway between to networks? |
| 22:34.58 | dcestari | I have network 192.168.0.0 and network 10.0.0.0, and I have a machine with two nics with each one in a network. |
| 22:34.59 | jelly-home | jberg: what does blkid say? |
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| 22:35.06 | MarGarina | jberg: if you try to mount -t ntfs, you should be able to see if it failed or succeeded... |
| 22:35.13 | dcestari | I want this machine to forward all request from one network to another |
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| 22:35.38 | MarGarina | dcestari: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ? |
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| 22:35.51 | m4v | dcestari: i'm not sure, but check out the route command |
| 22:37.13 | dcestari | MarGarina: do I just enable forward or do I need to set up specific iptables |
| 22:37.24 | MarGarina | dcestari: If interfaces are properly configured (IP + Subnet), and ip_forward = 1, it should work. Just note that CLIENTS need proper routing table! |
| 22:37.33 | MarGarina | dcestari: no need for iptables if it's not NAT (regular routing) |
| 22:37.48 | dcestari | MarGarina: that really is great. |
| 22:37.48 | jberg | ah, blkid told me it was /dev/sd2 and i managed to mount it and look at the files. dont know why that didnt work before, maybe i didnt try sd2. anyways, thanks for the help |
| 22:38.03 | MarGarina | dcestari: A client in 192.168 needs to know that 10.0.0.0 is through the router, somehow. |
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| 22:41.40 | dcestari | MarGarina: so If I have a machine with 10.0.0.2 and the route for 192.168.0.0 set to 10.0.0.254 (the two nic machine, gateway) |
| 22:43.41 | MarGarina | dcestari: yep, sounds good. |
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| 22:45.24 | topls | anyone familiar with the 'chumby' device? |
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| 22:45.35 | nphase | anyone know of a good editor with tabs and code highlighting? |
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| 22:46.20 | e7th04sh | Is debian a good choice for a box that is server and desktop hybrid? |
| 22:46.20 | topls | i've used gedit for avr programming (gcc-avr) |
| 22:46.43 | abrotman | nphase: kde? gnome? |
| 22:46.47 | nphase | gnome |
| 22:46.51 | topls | e7 ... i use it for both. suppose it depends on how you configure it |
| 22:46.51 | abrotman | anjuta or bluefish |
| 22:47.13 | abrotman | bluefish is more web oriented .. |
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| 22:47.25 | topls | nphase - i agree with abrotman |
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| 22:48.11 | bolt | e7th04sh: i'd say pretty much any distro can do that, but debian does not install shitloads of heavy software by default, so i guess that might make it suitable for being a server as well as a desktop machine |
| 22:48.32 | e7th04sh | topls i have heard gentoo is highly configurable, but i have also read, that they are having social problems atm. Maybe i should try gentoo, for better server performance on my home pc? |
| 22:48.43 | e7th04sh | bolt |
| 22:48.58 | nphase | cool thanks! |
| 22:49.23 | bolt | e7th04sh: the speed difference you get from compiling everything yourself is hardly noticeable on modern hardware, and takes ages on older hardware |
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| 22:49.30 | topls | my buddy runs gentoo, hes actually looking toward debian. I would avoid ubunto |
| 22:50.05 | bolt | !gentoo |
| 22:50.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ or ask me about <greenhouse>. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg, or #gentoo @ irc.freenode.net |
| 22:50.13 | e7th04sh | ubuntu sucks - i am unhappy owner of a copy :/ |
| 22:50.15 | topls | and i cant get the kubunto livecd to boot |
| 22:50.21 | e7th04sh | i am going to reinstall today |
| 22:50.41 | e7th04sh | i used ubuntu for desktop as my first linux (i had slackware once, but these were old days) |
| 22:50.59 | bolt | there's nothing wrong with ubuntu. you can customize that as much as debian, i'd say |
| 22:51.17 | e7th04sh | oh well, i lost my faith then |
| 22:51.27 | e7th04sh | it means debian must suck as well :P |
| 22:51.42 | bolt | prefers debian stable because stable is a good name for something which runs on a server :) |
| 22:51.52 | widrone | it may or may not, depending on local critteria... :) |
| 22:51.54 | bolt | and debian was my first distro anyway. kind of stuck with it |
| 22:52.07 | e7th04sh | i need something clean, configurable and stable :/ |
| 22:52.20 | e7th04sh | maybe i'll hit slackware once again? |
| 22:52.33 | bolt | e7th04sh: etch. base install only. go from there |
| 22:52.43 | bolt | e7th04sh: doesn't get much cleaner |
| 22:52.48 | widrone | e7th04sh: Debian stable should work then, if you keep off "wanting to upgrade just that app" and roll with it. |
| 22:53.02 | dondelelcaro | e7th04sh: almost every single distribution is configurable; the question becomes how easily it is and what you're going to do with it |
| 22:53.32 | n3kl | bolt: cleaner? Have you done any package management in slackware? Unless things have changed in the last few years, debian is far superior! |
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| 22:54.00 | bolt | n3kl: err... i never recommended slackware. read that again. |
| 22:54.12 | n3kl | my mistake |
| 22:54.21 | e7th04sh | ok, i'll hit debian - i can easily reinstall anyways |
| 22:55.21 | dondelelcaro | e7th04sh: if you get stuck, feel free to ask here; most anything you'd want to do already has workable solutions in Debian already |
| 22:56.08 | e7th04sh | I'll be back in a moment - this: http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html says i need to be on windows to install without cd |
| 22:56.13 | n3kl | Is there an official date for lenny? |
| 22:56.24 | bolt | n3kl: when it's done |
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| 22:56.43 | n3kl | no would suffice |
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| 22:57.38 | bolt | afaik, that 3drealms phrase is the official date |
| 22:57.40 | bolt | :) |
| 22:58.14 | dondelelcaro | earthnative: well, that's a lie, but whatever. |
| 22:58.19 | n3kl | What is next codename? |
| 22:58.19 | dondelelcaro | s/earthnative/e7th04sh/ |
| 22:58.31 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: lenny; the RMs haven't decided the one after taht |
| 22:59.03 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, they haven't announced it to anyone at all) |
| 22:59.05 | widrone | debootstrap is you local linux hero i any distro... |
| 22:59.27 | bolt | "After you download any Linux distro from the internet, you have to burn it to a DVD, CD or a number of CDs to install it." |
| 22:59.28 | bolt | er. no? |
| 22:59.34 | bolt | stupid webpage |
| 23:00.04 | bolt | and that's the first sentence |
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| 23:04.18 | werwolf | ich habe heute 20 minuten OpenOffice in lenny gesucht |
| 23:04.24 | werwolf | es ist nicht da |
| 23:04.25 | dcestari | thanks MarGarina |
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| 23:04.36 | n3kl | ya |
| 23:04.57 | failure | So im doing this automated install via preseed method and Debian Installer. My keyboard seems to output arabic characters even though in the PXE config and the preseed file I specify asked for en_US |
| 23:05.15 | failure | And this is happening durring the installation. |
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| 23:05.41 | failure | and furthermore afterwards. I have tested this both on virtual machines and a desktop system. No difference. |
| 23:05.56 | abrotman | werwolf: english here |
| 23:06.21 | failure | I should Also mention that this repository is kept on a local machine here in this network. |
| 23:06.31 | failure | I basically mirrored it. |
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| 23:08.03 | topls | must be those pesky terrorists |
| 23:08.29 | failure | or some stupidity on my part somewhere |
| 23:09.04 | failure | this is really bugging me because i had it working... the only thing i changed was... well instead of copying the cd to a folder, I mirrored the site. |
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| 23:10.25 | n3kl | Can someone recommed to me a good tool to manage an ldap installation? |
| 23:11.17 | topls | perhaps there is a typo in the config around en_US and it is defaulting alphabetically to arabic? |
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| 23:12.16 | werwolf | abrotman: sorry |
| 23:12.27 | failure | topls i made sure to check that |
| 23:12.32 | failure | i even retyped it |
| 23:12.41 | abrotman | n3kl: manage how? |
| 23:12.59 | failure | the funny thing is, as its loading stuff in the installer, i can type "sdf" over and over and its english but when it gets to the prompt it switches it up |
| 23:13.21 | failure | plus if i selected a different language, wouldnt it show me the installation process in arabic too? |
| 23:13.28 | n3kl | abrotman: like, do stuff with, manage users permissions, something to help me understnad what the fsck I am doing wihout having to create a bunch of txt files for importing |
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| 23:14.11 | abrotman | not sure about permissions .. but there is a PHP thingie that lets you browse the ldap database |
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| 23:15.04 | n3kl | abrotman: well, I don't know about permissions, but I would think that I could setup groups and what have you, so that if you were not a member of group "ftp" you would not be able to log into the ftp sort of thing |
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| 23:15.43 | abrotman | !info cpu |
| 23:16.00 | abrotman | n3kl: apt-cache search ldap manage |
| 23:16.04 | dpkg | cpu: (a console based LDAP user management tool), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.4.3-11 (sid), Packaged size: 139 kB, Installed size: 364 kB |
| 23:16.05 | topls | give me some time. I have to learn about pxe ands preseeding |
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| 23:16.29 | failure | topls i think i might have fixed something |
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| 23:16.34 | failure | let me try one more time |
| 23:16.52 | n3kl | abrotman: ahh, thanks. Just in time for apache to finish installint =] |
| 23:18.00 | topls | cool. diskless. neato. installing to flash? |
| 23:18.44 | topls | nevermind. i see now. |
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| 23:21.49 | magyar | hi, there is a package called ripole for lenny, where could I find one for etch? |
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| 23:25.29 | abrotman | magyar: you can try to make your own backport |
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| 23:25.32 | BarrySDCA | does anyone know where I can downlaod the debian amd64 install dvd .iso? The download site has been giving an error for 2 days and I realllllly need it....thank you |
| 23:25.32 | failure | torrent? |
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| 23:25.32 | BarrySDCA | torrent, I can try that...was hoping for an ftp, but I should probably get with it hehe |
| 23:25.32 | BarrySDCA | thanks |
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| 23:26.50 | terrorpup_ | quick question. Does anyone have a link to a site that will explain to me how to change the fonts. I like to be able to use VESA 1024x768 for the console or 1280x1024 and not the 320x120 that is the default. |
| 23:27.08 | n3kl | abrotman: for the record, this phpldapadmin thing is pretty swift |
| 23:27.27 | terrorpup_ | or I use say how to change the console size, not font size |
| 23:27.40 | terrorpup_ | use = should |
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| 23:32.04 | abrotman | n3kl: unless your tree is flat |
| 23:32.26 | abrotman | terrorpup_: vga=791 or something like that |
| 23:32.35 | terrorpup_ | yea |
| 23:32.43 | abrotman | BarrySDCA: lenny or etch ? |
| 23:32.44 | terrorpup_ | can I put that into grub |
| 23:32.48 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:33.13 | terrorpup_ | abrotman: thanks, I was google it again while waiting. Again thanks for the help |
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| 23:34.35 | terrorpup | better |
| 23:34.59 | Rich-Boy | hey all, i'm new to debian, does anyone know of a command that gives me real time network traffic info such as kB/s in/out from each interface? |
| 23:35.22 | Rich-Boy | simmilar to 'systat -ifstat' in freebsd |
| 23:35.54 | wols_ | Rich-Boy: iptraf? |
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| 23:36.48 | Rich-Boy | wols_: very nice ty |
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| 23:36.54 | Rich-Boy | weeee colours |
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| 23:37.15 | dub | whats the right way to have a ppp interface come up on boot |
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| 23:38.17 | wols_ | dub: there is a file ppp_on_boot |
| 23:38.31 | wols_ | /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot.dslNOT |
| 23:39.14 | dub | its not there, I seem to recall it beign depreciated a long time ago |
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| 23:40.08 | terrorpup | I like debian, but the one thing that had been bother was that 320 screen size, abrotman again thanks much better. |
| 23:40.16 | wols_ | dub: You can consult /usr/share/doc/ppp/README.Debian.gz and interfaces(5) |
| 23:40.21 | abrotman | that important huh ? |
| 23:40.29 | abrotman | Rich-Boy: jnettop |
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| 23:41.13 | terrorpup | abrotman, use have 1400x900 screen, I am not blind and don't need the easy reader size and this is a server and don't need X. |
| 23:41.24 | terrorpup | use = I |
| 23:41.46 | terrorpup | tiny print makes use vim a lot easier |
| 23:41.53 | wols_ | terrorpup: what videocard? |
| 23:41.57 | abrotman | terrorpup: maybe you do .. seem to have trouble typing :) |
| 23:42.12 | dub | wols_, thanks. I do have it setup in interfaces but it doesnt come up on boot |
| 23:42.13 | terrorpup | I have a 3 year hanging on me |
| 23:42.33 | wols_ | dub: what is the ppp entry? |
| 23:42.55 | terrorpup | wols: it esxi running a couple debian boxes |
| 23:43.10 | terrorpup | all I need is console |
| 23:43.32 | dub | auto ppp0 |
| 23:43.32 | dub | iface ppp0 inet ppp |
| 23:43.32 | dub | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.33 | dub | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:44.05 | abrotman | !paste |
| 23:44.05 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 23:44.09 | dub | (4 lines total) |
| 23:44.20 | cafuego | dub: yeah, best is to not paste at all. |
| 23:44.30 | wols_ | what I saw looks fine :( |
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| 23:45.40 | dub | cafuego, ok |
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| 23:46.11 | dub | wols_, yeah I thought so, if I 'ifup ppp0' it comes up, just not by itself |
| 23:47.04 | cafuego | dub: does it also not do anything if you run /etc/init.d/networking restart by hand? |
| 23:47.29 | cafuego | Oh hold on |
| 23:47.37 | dub | cafuego, good question, not wanting to try now as im remote |
| 23:47.38 | cafuego | Do you have /etc/ppp_on_boot ? |
| 23:47.53 | dub | no |
| 23:48.06 | cafuego | there's a file that it wants to exist, i think. let me check |
| 23:49.43 | cafuego | Hmm no, deprecated in etch it seems. |
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| 23:52.40 | intelikey | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.07 | dub | easy enough to work around, would be nice to do it the debian way though |
| 23:53.15 | cafuego | intelikey: "this" ? |
| 23:53.24 | intelikey | http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d65f82c44 |
| 23:53.31 | cafuego | dub: I'm just wondering if the connection name is confusing it. |
| 23:53.44 | cafuego | it shouldn't, but there ya go.. |
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| 23:53.58 | dub | the interface name or the peer name? |
| 23:54.08 | cafuego | The interface name |
| 23:55.55 | Dantix | hi, anyone can clarify me if the latest debian kernel source have support and patches for xen included? |
| 23:57.07 | cafuego | Dantix: 2.6.25 did, apparently. i've not checked, but grep XEN /boot/config-VERSION should see you sorted. |
| 23:57.36 | barnum | if you use a xen kernel sure |
| 23:57.41 | petemc | Dantix: kernels with xen dom0 support should have xen in the name |
| 23:57.46 | cafuego | There are no xen kernels in lenny |
| 23:58.00 | cafuego | Well, there weren't last time I looked anyway. |
| 23:58.16 | barnum | well latest debian kernel to me means etch |
| 23:58.23 | barnum | :) |
| 23:58.32 | petemc | its ambiguous |
| 23:58.33 | Dantix | the problem is the latest kernel I've found is 2.6.18, I because a problem with ocfs2 adviced me to upgrade to 2.6.21 at least |
| 23:58.39 | cafuego | The xen in etch is just by far too crufty for words. |
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| 23:59.49 | wols_ | !etchnhalf |
| 23:59.49 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf, or <etchnhalf facts> |
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