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| 00:02.02 | cafuego | Yeah, new kernel, but still xen 3.03 |
| 00:02.13 | cafuego | No cpu scaling = lotta heat & noise |
| 00:02.23 | elik | Is there anyway to speed up Debian package database? I have a system that is pretty slow on anything concerning packages (install, remove, etc), or basically everything that access the dpkg database (or is it apt). The system has had many packages installed and removed since the initial install |
| 00:02.49 | cafuego | elik: More ram, faster cpu, faster disk. |
| 00:03.00 | cafuego | elik: or less sources, actually :-) |
| 00:03.28 | Dantix | etchnhalf said: XEN (broken with 2.6.24) will not work :'( |
| 00:04.10 | elik | cafuego, hum, the three first solutions are kinda hard for a Intel Centrino with 1g ram (considering some old crappy p2 still run debian) |
| 00:04.17 | cafuego | uses the U* distro and kernel as xen dom0. |
| 00:04.39 | elik | cafuego, less sources, that might indeed help, but is it on the available packages that the problem lies, or the quantity of installed ones |
| 00:05.18 | cafuego | elik: Less *different* souces. Which influences the quantity of available packages. |
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| 00:05.39 | cafuego | elik: You might also check if the cpu throttles up when you do a package operation. |
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| 00:07.28 | elik | cafuego, it certainly do |
| 00:07.35 | elik | cafuego, IO time |
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| 00:07.47 | Sweetandy | I wish I still used Debian. It made me so happy |
| 00:07.49 | elik | cafuego, and actual CPU time |
| 00:08.06 | elik | then why not Sweetandy |
| 00:08.52 | Sweetandy | my voodoo graphics card is unsupported. I checked a Debian bug-filing and a developer said that the driver is "horribly horribly nonfree" |
| 00:09.07 | muddd | you can still use nonfree stuff ya know |
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| 00:09.18 | Sweetandy | Ah yes, but I don't want to |
| 00:09.21 | Sweetandy | That's the problem |
| 00:09.23 | abrotman | get a new card |
| 00:09.29 | Sweetandy | I need to build a computer from scratch with only free hardware |
| 00:09.31 | Sweetandy | Yeah |
| 00:09.35 | Sweetandy | I will when I have time 8 / |
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| 00:09.37 | dub | heh, voodoo card |
| 00:09.40 | Sweetandy | lol |
| 00:09.45 | Sweetandy | no lies |
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| 00:10.27 | dub | was pretty sweet for counterstrike 1.3 |
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| 00:10.45 | dub | (better than what I started out with at any rate) |
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| 00:11.34 | elik | Sweetandy, Voodoo... isn't that dead since 1990 or so? |
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| 00:12.31 | muddd | ooooooooooo snap |
| 00:12.32 | intelikey | so eberything in debian depends on libselinux1 maybe i should look into the source of that package... |
| 00:12.52 | muddd | yes it has been i believe. |
| 00:12.57 | Sweetandy | elik, Probably. I wouldn't be surprised. |
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| 00:13.12 | intelikey | anyway. does apt require hald or something to be running for it's automounting of cdrom to work ? |
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| 00:14.11 | intelikey | http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d19f8c877 < seems that it can't automount. but works if i manually mount it. |
| 00:14.42 | elik | intelikey, that's a ubuntu pastebin, that won't fly here :P |
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| 00:14.51 | LemensTS | How do i switch users while im in a terminal? |
| 00:14.56 | intelikey | elik why ? |
| 00:15.00 | SerajewelKS | LemensTS: man su |
| 00:15.47 | elik | intelikey, just kidding, are often quickly redirecting ppl to relevant channel (go to #ubuntu) :P |
| 00:16.01 | elik | intelikey, as for the hald, can't tell... never used CD repositories |
| 00:16.12 | Sweetandy | but debian != ubuntu ? |
| 00:16.24 | SerajewelKS | !ubuntu |
| 00:16.24 | elik | troll detection ;) |
| 00:16.24 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 00:16.50 | Sweetandy | sorry I'm an asshole. |
| 00:16.51 | Sweetandy | 8 ( |
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| 00:17.12 | SerajewelKS | O_o |
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| 00:17.30 | elik | intelikey, can't you use net repositories? |
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| 00:23.15 | intelikey | elik on dialup ? |
| 00:23.29 | intelikey | elik short answer. no. |
| 00:23.40 | elik | intelikey, ah, I see :) |
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| 00:24.24 | abrotman | intelikey: i did it! |
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| 00:24.53 | elik | intelikey, I was gonna try and help but if abrotman is on the case... I'm off :) |
| 00:24.57 | intelikey | abrotman i said that was the "short answer" |
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| 00:25.12 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 00:25.21 | widrone | Its just me and d-i alone in a dark room, there is a storm outside. (exciting I know) |
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| 00:25.56 | werwolf | can I ask what debian do you use? |
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| 00:26.04 | werwolf | just installing kanotix |
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| 00:26.49 | intelikey | werwolf not sure whom you are asking. etch here. |
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| 00:27.07 | widrone | werwolf: Me, im installing lenny to test parts of the installer (again), low mem mode ftw! |
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| 00:27.46 | intelikey | sujests testing exotic targets too. |
| 00:28.04 | elik | intelikey, I'm not sure what your problem is... but from you post... it just seems as if your cds were not mounted |
| 00:28.10 | intelikey | i just installed etch on /dev/hda was a pain but will work. |
| 00:28.38 | intelikey | elik yes that's all the problem. but i thought apt would mount them... |
| 00:28.49 | widrone | Ill just sit back and let popcon gather its info, you are all remembering to feed the popularity-contest I hope? |
| 00:28.59 | abrotman | werwolf: ask #kanotix |
| 00:29.12 | elik | intelikey, well, I don't know for that.... but mouting a CD is fairly easy |
| 00:29.49 | elik | intelikey, did you try mounting manually? |
| 00:30.00 | intelikey | scrolls up... |
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| 00:30.29 | intelikey | <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d19f8c877 < seems that it can't automount. but works if i manually mount it. <<< |
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| 00:33.10 | muddd | intelikey, are you not giving it enough time to do its thing before pressing enter? |
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| 00:33.36 | muddd | although I've usually commented that part out of apt.source and used the net |
| 00:34.31 | intelikey | muddd pressing enter while it was/is working only advances the prompt, it doesn't repost the output... and i have waited on it too. |
| 00:35.57 | elik | intelikey, so you are having issues with automount, not apt or anything |
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| 00:36.29 | abrotman | intelikey: sounds to me like it's the wrong CD ? |
| 00:36.57 | elik | abrotman, no, he says that if he mounts manually it works |
| 00:37.15 | abrotman | paste your sources.list |
| 00:38.22 | intelikey | elik no. it's apt. not automount unless i have fully misunderstood what it is supposed to do... i was under the impression that automount worked with hald and was a GUI "thang" i thought apt was supposed to "mount" it's own cd's automaticly. as the prompt would also indicate. |
| 00:38.34 | intelikey | abrotman it's not a sources.list error. |
| 00:38.48 | intelikey | abrotman i will pastebin it though. |
| 00:38.49 | abrotman | paste your sources.list |
| 00:39.08 | elik | don't confront abrotman ;) |
| 00:39.09 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: nah, but it's likely an apt-cdrom error, or something similar. Apt knows how to mount a cdrom, assuming it's the one that it was told about, and exists in /etc/fstab |
| 00:40.08 | muddd | is this ubuntu or debian? |
| 00:40.12 | elik | abrotman is some sort of god around here, bad things happen if he gets mad |
| 00:40.24 | abrotman | eh .. what? |
| 00:40.27 | elik | muddd, debian... read the topic |
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| 00:40.31 | elik | !god |
| 00:40.59 | elik | dpkg lacks instructions :P |
| 00:40.59 | intelikey | http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d72049a7e |
| 00:40.59 | dpkg | elik: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 00:41.00 | werwolf | sorry I don't like people playing god :| |
| 00:41.02 | intelikey | ttp://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d53dcd705 |
| 00:41.13 | muddd | hmm |
| 00:41.16 | intelikey | abrotman second ^ is sources.list |
| 00:41.32 | intelikey | first is the issue. and it's a non-issue if i mount the cd |
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| 00:42.17 | abrotman | intelikey: you already have http sources .. |
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| 00:42.34 | intelikey | abrotman and ? |
| 00:43.25 | intelikey | abrotman has nothing to do with network, issue is the cdrom not mounting via apt and requiring manual mount command to access that source. |
| 00:43.51 | muddd | and its tearing him apart |
| 00:44.02 | intelikey | muddd hehhe |
| 00:44.06 | abrotman | i haven't used apt-cdrom in long time .. i can't recall if you're supposed to have the CD mounted before hand or not |
| 00:44.07 | intelikey | oh that... |
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| 00:44.40 | intelikey | apt-cdrom is the script that adds cd media to the sources.list |
| 00:44.47 | intelikey | add or remove... |
| 00:44.48 | abrotman | i know what it is .. |
| 00:44.52 | abrotman | i still haven't used it in a long time :) |
| 00:45.14 | abrotman | intelikey: do you have some sort of automounter program running ? |
| 00:45.21 | intelikey | nope |
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| 00:46.18 | intelikey | about all that is running is gpm |
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| 00:47.09 | intelikey | i probably should start some kind of logging daemon... syslog maybe. |
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| 00:50.06 | abrotman | intelikey: paste your fstab ? |
| 00:50.29 | intelikey | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.49 | abrotman | i wonder if noauto is stopping it from |
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| 00:50.53 | abrotman | mounting |
| 00:50.57 | abrotman | but i dbout it |
| 00:51.10 | intelikey | i doubt it too |
| 00:51.27 | abrotman | apt-cdrom ident /dev/hdc ? |
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| 00:51.51 | intelikey | Identifying.. [c850be33b5c2717cf0c498b08c577651-2] |
| 00:52.33 | intelikey | http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d17f860b1 |
| 00:52.41 | intelikey | full output if you want it ^ |
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| 00:53.26 | intelikey | i guess i could change that url for this system to debian.pastebin.us maybe it would draw so much attention in here. |
| 00:53.59 | llinear | what s the best way to extract links from a page? |
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| 00:55.18 | intelikey | grep -we '<.*>' file ??? |
| 00:56.11 | intelikey | might narrow it with some http or something idk |
| 00:56.49 | intelikey | grep -we 'href=".*"' |
| 00:57.47 | dondelelcaro | llinear: use an html parser |
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| 00:58.54 | llinear | dondelelcaro: any in mind? |
| 00:59.24 | dondelelcaro | llinear: depends what language and what you're doing; I personally use HTML::Parser, but YMMV. |
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| 00:59.47 | llinear | preferably c |
| 00:59.51 | newsense | intelikey: you got your system setup to send to a certain pastebin with 1 command, if so let me know the app name |
| 01:00.05 | newsense | could come in handy |
| 01:00.39 | newsense | nm |
| 01:00.44 | newsense | i found it myself |
| 01:00.52 | abrotman | !info pastebinit lenny |
| 01:00.55 | newsense | was feeling lazy for a moment haha |
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| 01:00.59 | BarrySDCA | when installing debian, do you all set Plug & Play OS to on or off in the BIOS? |
| 01:01.07 | newsense | on |
| 01:01.10 | BarrySDCA | thanks |
| 01:01.13 | dpkg | pastebinit: (command-line pastebin client), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.10-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 01:01.21 | newsense | i found it dammit |
| 01:01.23 | newsense | haha |
| 01:02.25 | intelikey | sorry i was away. newsense i use a script i wrote. pastebin.sh is the name. |
| 01:02.45 | newsense | ahh self made |
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| 01:03.20 | intelikey | yeah some people go to school for things like that, i'm a selfmade moron. my script. http://debian.pastebin.us/?show=d23e7d700 |
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| 01:04.19 | intelikey | depending on the links desired in the html i would probably use something like this http://debian.pastebin.us/?show=d66be3639 |
| 01:05.35 | dondelelcaro | llinear: libxml2 or similar will probably work |
| 01:06.44 | newsense | hey dondelelcaro |
| 01:07.52 | newsense | intelikey: and to think all this time ive been using pastebin via a browser, its a hastle, shoulda known there were alternatives |
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| 01:08.19 | llinear | dondelelcaro: i am looking at the html parser module |
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| 01:09.44 | intelikey | newsense yeah i wrote that script and about a month later i hear about the python script in the repos ;/ |
| 01:10.06 | newsense | dam did ya try to get it in debian at least before ya heard of it ? |
| 01:10.24 | intelikey | newsense i was using ubuntu hoary at the time. |
| 01:10.33 | newsense | they using it ? |
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| 01:10.41 | intelikey | no not until edgy |
| 01:11.00 | newsense | cool enough |
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| 01:12.49 | intelikey | or should i have said that they have ever sense edgy eft |
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| 01:13.52 | newsense | id be proud |
| 01:14.17 | newsense | i know nothing about scripting or programming but would love to |
| 01:14.51 | intelikey | does not C ;/ |
| 01:14.55 | newsense | if i could figure out where to start, no comments] |
| 01:14.55 | dondelelcaro | newsense: you can learn on the job |
| 01:15.11 | newsense | im a heating and air contractor atm |
| 01:15.12 | dondelelcaro | newsense: there are loads of bugs which need looking at; not all of them require you to know coding |
| 01:15.15 | Somni | llinear: http://p3m.org/pfn/2270 |
| 01:15.17 | newsense | used to be in tech support |
| 01:15.21 | dondelelcaro | (and you can learn some of them to start with) |
| 01:15.35 | intelikey | all i can do is write a script and i've been told that i can't do that. but i get what i want done, done. |
| 01:15.47 | Somni | llinear: requires libwww-perl and libhtml-linkextractor-perl |
| 01:15.53 | newsense | dondelelcaro: im interested in that, actually very |
| 01:16.04 | newsense | dondelelcaro: got a url whre i can learn more ? |
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| 01:16.44 | p1ngp0ng | someone got the link for the forum post about installing compiz? |
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| 01:17.00 | p1ngp0ng | and also, can i use the lenny method in etch? |
| 01:17.02 | llinear | Somni: hmm, that s nice |
| 01:17.09 | newsense | ./msg dpkg |
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| 01:17.25 | dondelelcaro | newsense: http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ http://www.debian.org/devel/todo/ etc. |
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| 01:18.14 | Pengue | ok, quick question. What can cause my box to completely lock up on me? I cant even magic key out. It is persistant on X loading (happens after a minute or so) Has never done it from console |
| 01:18.15 | newsense | dondelelcaro: thanks im gonna check it out right now |
| 01:18.58 | newsense | haha thought it was one link at first, cant wait tto get some glasses |
| 01:19.16 | dondelelcaro | newsense: if there's nothing there that seems intersting, feel free to ask me (or any other developer too); there's tons of stuff that needs work |
| 01:19.45 | newsense | dondelelcaro: im a fan of your work so ill definately let ya know im at both sites now |
| 01:19.51 | p1ngp0ng | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=26966 Does that howto work on etch aswell? |
| 01:20.05 | newsense | s/now/know |
| 01:20.20 | newsense | also cant wait for a pepsi proof keyboard |
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| 01:20.37 | dondelelcaro | p1ngp0ng: probably not, however there may be backports for those packages |
| 01:20.54 | dondelelcaro | !tell p1ngp0ng -about compiz |
| 01:20.59 | dondelelcaro | p1ngp0ng: see what dpkg told you for details |
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| 01:21.13 | p1ngp0ng | ok |
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| 01:22.12 | p1ngp0ng | seems that its integrated in etch. if im reading it right |
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| 01:22.27 | dondelelcaro | yes, but it's an older version |
| 01:22.41 | p1ngp0ng | so, all i have to do is to update the packages? |
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| 01:23.53 | dcestari | hello all |
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| 01:24.15 | dcestari | does anyone knows how can I create a virtual network interface? like xen does? |
| 01:24.24 | intelikey | ooops. http://debian.pastebin.us/?show=d73c2d179 i'll see if i can gather more info before i make an issue out of this... |
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| 01:27.38 | dondelelcaro | dcestari: virtual in what way? |
| 01:27.50 | dcestari | dondelelcaro: as in veth0 not a real device on my hardware |
| 01:28.01 | dustybin | heres a diagram on how im going to do my home network: http://empire.ispeeds.net/~subx/network.pdf can you see anything what might need changing? |
| 01:28.33 | dondelelcaro | dcestari: what do you want to do with it? |
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| 01:29.52 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: server in bedrom bad |
| 01:30.07 | dcestari | dondelelcaro: I want to have it so I can communicate with my virtual machines |
| 01:30.10 | dondelelcaro | (unless you *like* white noise) |
| 01:30.31 | dondelelcaro | dcestari: uh... so ssh to them? |
| 01:30.58 | dustybin | dondelelcaro: my server is silent, its only for a home LAN, i built it myself with silent fans |
| 01:31.09 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: ah; nevermind then |
| 01:31.12 | dcestari | dondelelcaro: not just that, so I can set up a virtual network with them and route traffic outside to the real eth0 |
| 01:31.17 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: otherwise there's not anything obviously wrong with it |
| 01:31.25 | dustybin | ace :-) |
| 01:31.54 | dustybin | dondelelcaro: im trying to use least power as possible |
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| 01:32.35 | p1ngp0ng | what have i done wrong if i have managed to install all the kernels. by that i mean, i have 1 kernel for each architecture. eg amd64, i386, vserver-k7 and so on. |
| 01:33.33 | p1ngp0ng | its a bit annoying coz my bootloader is one long list now. and also, when i install packages, it installes the package for each kernel. |
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| 01:34.07 | p1ngp0ng | it happend after i was trying to install the linux headers. |
| 01:34.15 | p1ngp0ng | it worked. but it worked a bit to much. |
| 01:34.16 | p1ngp0ng | hehe |
| 01:34.20 | dustybin | if i got a public accessable website, should i put that in its own xen domu, and my mail server in another domu? |
| 01:34.26 | dondelelcaro | p1ngp0ng: so remove the ones that you don't need |
| 01:34.35 | p1ngp0ng | how? |
| 01:34.37 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: up to you; you don't need to |
| 01:34.47 | dustybin | dondelelcaro: aye thats a bit OTT |
| 01:34.52 | p1ngp0ng | i dont wanna mess anything up |
| 01:34.58 | dondelelcaro | p1ngp0ng: by running aptitude remove foopkg; you may also need to remove things like linux-image-2.6-k7; or similar. |
| 01:35.08 | dondelelcaro | p1ngp0ng: if you're not sure which one you're currently using, run uname -a; |
| 01:35.33 | p1ngp0ng | i know which one im using. just unsure of how to go about deleting the ones i dont |
| 01:35.39 | dustybin | dondelelcaro: id like to run postfix on the public server but i would like to read mail using squirrelmail what is running on the private server, is there a way to do that? |
| 01:35.53 | intelikey | so i'm assuming that "aptitude" is prefered over apt for what cause ? |
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| 01:36.02 | dondelelcaro | !tell intelikey -about why aptitude |
| 01:36.16 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: squirrelmail talks imap, so yes, and it's pretty eassy |
| 01:36.45 | dustybin | dondelelcaro: should i run courier on the public side or private side? |
| 01:37.12 | dustybin | postfix >> courier-imap >> squirrelmail |
| 01:37.30 | intelikey | hmmm interesting. i didn't find it to actually help in ubuntu dapper but there has been development sense then i'm sure. |
| 01:37.54 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: generally it's more sensible to run it on whatever machine has the mail server |
| 01:38.08 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: but it of course depends on whether you'd ever want access to it from outside |
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| 01:38.59 | dustybin | dondelelcaro: my private server will have access using https 443 password protected |
| 01:39.10 | dustybin | so ideally id like to read mail from there |
| 01:40.04 | newsense | dondelelcaro:thanks again decided to start contributing by tagging packages, figured id start small haha |
| 01:40.06 | HeXiLed | is there a deb source for apt-get to install filezilla with ssl support ? |
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| 01:41.29 | dondelelcaro | HeXiLed: I don't know if filezilla even supports ssl at all |
| 01:41.37 | HeXiLed | it does |
| 01:41.44 | abrotman | on windows it does |
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| 01:41.48 | abrotman | i think |
| 01:41.48 | HeXiLed | also on linux |
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| 01:43.01 | dondelelcaro | HeXiLed: see #479859 |
| 01:43.21 | HeXiLed | sorry ... where |
| 01:43.29 | dondelelcaro | !tell HeXiLed -about bts |
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| 01:44.17 | HeXiLed | i see. |
| 01:44.39 | HeXiLed | well on gentoo it works fine with ftps, sftp and ftpes . |
| 01:44.57 | HeXiLed | also if we manually download it we can use the binary with ssl |
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| 01:45.23 | Mooloo | is there any way to go from a 32bit lenny to 64bit? |
| 01:46.25 | Mooloo | i've tried the image with amd64 but that won't work, and if i recompile my kernel it's just 32bit again. |
| 01:47.06 | dondelelcaro | Mooloo: install a amd64 bit kernel, debootstrap a chroot, and migrate over. |
| 01:47.10 | abrotman | just the kernel, or everything ? |
| 01:47.12 | dondelelcaro | Mooloo: it's not trivial, but it can be done |
| 01:47.49 | Mooloo | debootstrap a chroot is not clear to me. any guide? |
| 01:47.59 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 01:47.59 | dpkg | debootstrap is, like, <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 01:48.02 | Mooloo | just the kernel |
| 01:48.21 | abrotman | oh .. if you just want a 64bit kernel .. get the -amd64 kernel |
| 01:48.41 | Mooloo | it just gives a blank screen on boot. what else is there to 64bit than the kernel? |
| 01:48.43 | abrotman | the userland will still be 32bit .. but if you're okay with that .. |
| 01:48.48 | abrotman | that's it |
| 01:49.38 | Mooloo | i can't boot the amd64 kernel, it just blanks the screen after the dotted line |
| 01:49.48 | dondelelcaro | Mooloo: which dotted line? what hardware is this? |
| 01:49.55 | Mooloo | Loading Linux.................................. |
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| 01:50.11 | Mooloo | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5750 @ 2.00GHz |
| 01:50.16 | Mooloo | that's in my cpuinfo |
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| 01:50.28 | dondelelcaro | Mooloo: and you're using the Debian supplied amd64 kernel? |
| 01:50.53 | Mooloo | right now i'm using 2.6.25-2-686-bigmem, because the amd64 won't boot |
| 01:51.30 | dondelelcaro | Mooloo: 2.6.25-2-amd64 should work; you can also try 2.6.26-1-amd64; |
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| 01:52.13 | Mooloo | it should maybe, but i just tried it and it doesn't |
| 01:52.27 | intelikey | ok lets see if i can break this new install.... |
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| 01:54.01 | muddd | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 01:54.51 | Mooloo | the linux-image-whatever packages bring their own modules or do i need something extra? |
| 01:55.14 | dondelelcaro | Mooloo: you're not even seeing the kernel start booting at all |
| 01:55.27 | dondelelcaro | Mooloo: so the modules won't really make a difference |
| 01:56.17 | dondelelcaro | Mooloo: that usually means something bad happened; exactly what is hard to say. [Normally I see it with wrong architectures, corrupted kernels, broken bootloaders, etc.] |
| 01:56.18 | Mooloo | i'll try the other amd64 version maybe that works |
| 01:56.40 | dondelelcaro | someone else may have additional things that could have gone wrong |
| 01:56.43 | Mooloo | well i copied and pasted the other lilo entry and changed image and initrd |
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| 01:58.42 | dondelelcaro | ugh; lilo is sometimes very odd |
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| 02:02.47 | dondelelcaro | HeXiLed: the version in unstable should work with ftps |
| 02:02.59 | dondelelcaro | HeXiLed: at least, it's linked against libgnutls |
| 02:03.05 | intelikey | mooloo you can select your kernel and add the word verbose it might help to see what is happening. |
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| 02:03.35 | intelikey | opps he's went. |
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| 02:04.42 | intelikey | i use lilo because grub cant install without a partition. i dont think it could boot without one even if it could install either... |
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| 02:05.36 | HeXiLed | dondelelcaro would you be able to give me the url source pls ? i have no unstable mirrors on my sources.list |
| 02:06.27 | dondelelcaro | HeXiLed: http://packages.debian.org/sid/filezilla |
| 02:08.04 | HeXiLed | thank you |
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| 02:13.15 | Mooloo | still no luck with the other amd64. if i disable framebuffer i can see decompressing linux and loading ELF, then it says kernel alive and hangs :) |
| 02:15.21 | intelikey | mooloo you can select your kernel and add the word verbose it might help to see what is happening. i'm no expert but it might help. |
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| 02:20.08 | Mooloo | i'll try that |
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| 02:22.50 | pickcoder | Mooloo: what processor is it? |
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| 02:24.59 | Mooloo | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5750 @ 2.00GHz |
| 02:25.11 | Mooloo | i think santa rosa may be the name not sure |
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| 02:26.14 | pickcoder | memory? |
| 02:26.20 | Mooloo | 4GB |
| 02:26.44 | Mooloo | the kernel i can boot i took the i686-bigmem. is that maybe the problem? |
| 02:27.26 | pickcoder | I wasn't aware that you could switch between 32-bit and 64-bit kernels at a whim |
| 02:27.44 | pickcoder | especially with an opposite root base |
| 02:27.52 | Mooloo | maybe you can't, but it should still go a little further than nothing |
| 02:28.13 | pickcoder | you installed with the 64-bit installer? |
| 02:28.15 | Gnurdux | you can run 32 bit userspace on a 64 bit kernel, but not vice versa |
| 02:28.34 | Mooloo | no this system is complete 32 bit i was trying to switch |
| 02:28.41 | pickcoder | You have to reinstall |
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| 02:29.28 | Mooloo | that sucks, especially since i don't think it would boot afterwards |
| 02:29.37 | pickcoder | unless dondelelcaro would talk you through a bootstrap on your 32-bit box |
| 02:29.41 | pickcoder | ;) |
| 02:29.52 | Mooloo | he said boot a 64bit kernel first |
| 02:30.15 | pickcoder | 64-bit live CD? |
| 02:30.22 | intelikey | my ssh problem has not gone away... ;/ |
| 02:30.27 | pickcoder | I dunno I've never converted... |
| 02:30.28 | Mooloo | oh maybe he meant that |
| 02:30.42 | Mooloo | is it a noticable gain? |
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| 02:30.49 | Mooloo | 64 bit switch i mean? |
| 02:30.50 | pickcoder | not for what I do |
| 02:31.20 | pickcoder | general servers don't really need it unless you've got >5GB of RAM |
| 02:31.24 | pickcoder | >=5GB |
| 02:32.11 | Mooloo | well i do some crunching with cplex and i'd like the 64 bit libraries but this seems too much trouble |
| 02:32.12 | pickcoder | I did it for upgrading potential on a web server |
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| 02:32.29 | pickcoder | number crunching maybe be worth it |
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| 02:32.50 | pickcoder | unless it's an occasional process |
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| 02:33.06 | pickcoder | if I wanted to dedicate a box to BOINC then I'd run AMD64 on it |
| 02:33.10 | Mooloo | heh |
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| 02:33.40 | Mooloo | well i can always do it remotely too, so i'll stick with lazy for a while. thanks. |
| 02:37.41 | pickcoder | I actually had a neat little collection of machines running BOINC for a project |
| 02:38.06 | pickcoder | sadly that processing power has been required and most of my contributions have since dropped |
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| 02:39.42 | \3TATUK | gdm authentication for my user always fails but I'm able to log in with the same credentials on a tty... any ideas what's up? |
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| 02:40.39 | Mooloo | it's sad when good hardware gets put to actual use ;) |
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| 02:41.34 | abrotman | \3TATUK: look in the gnome session error log |
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| 02:42.01 | \3TATUK | where might that be? |
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| 02:42.13 | xaj | is away, auto-away after 60 minutes |
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| 02:44.10 | abrotman | $HOME or /var/log/ |
| 02:44.16 | abrotman | !tell xaj about away |
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| 02:46.00 | intelikey | maybe if i disable ipv6 ??? |
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| 02:53.02 | \3TATUK | http://rafb.net/p/tyLKly33.html |
| 02:53.38 | abrotman | \3TATUK: that's not a gnome-session log |
| 02:53.58 | \3TATUK | err yeah |
| 02:54.01 | \3TATUK | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.08 | abrotman | $HOME or /var/log/ |
| 02:54.14 | \3TATUK | but obviously according to that auth.log it's related to PAM |
| 02:54.20 | \3TATUK | i might try reinstalling pam |
| 02:54.25 | \3TATUK | but i'll look for this gnome-session log |
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| 02:54.46 | \3TATUK | well? |
| 02:55.14 | \3TATUK | i don't see any file named "gnome-session" in either ~ or /var/log |
| 02:55.40 | abrotman | $HOME/.gnome-errors ? |
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| 02:56.06 | \3TATUK | nope no ~/.gnome-errors |
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| 02:57.15 | \3TATUK | what's the main PAM package? |
| 02:57.30 | \3TATUK | libpam0g ? |
| 02:57.46 | \3TATUK | or libpam-runtime ? |
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| 03:00.32 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: probably libpam-modules |
| 03:00.50 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: which pulls in libpam0g, which pulls in libpam-runtime |
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| 03:01.07 | Dominicus | Does anyone know what is responsible for automatically er say "automagically" updating grub's menu.lst, so that I may understand how to fix a bug where my menu.lst file keeps being updated with the wrong hard drive entry, thus requiring me to manually update my menu.lst file after it is automatically updated. |
| 03:01.29 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: the main PAM library itself is libpam0g, but it's not very useful without the modules |
| 03:01.40 | dmoerner | Dominicus, update-grub |
| 03:02.00 | dmoerner | Dominicus, look for the root=XXX and groot (hdX,Y) comments |
| 03:02.21 | \3TATUK | \amethyst: well i'm stumped .. might you have any idea? |
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| 03:03.25 | vooduhal | Quick q. I have a IPv6 tunnel through sixxs and I just moved my router from FreeBSD to etch a few days ago. My tunnel comes up fine and is routing my /48 just fine but for some reason, the tunnel becomes unreachable from the far end after a while and is unavailable until I send traffic from my end. Then everything is fine again. Seems like some form of demand dial routing. |
| 03:03.51 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: um, are you trying to su to root? |
| 03:04.02 | \3TATUK | \amethyst: Yes. but it's really regardless of the user |
| 03:04.19 | \3TATUK | and even su doesn't matter.. if i log out of my user and try to log back in it fails even though i use the right password |
| 03:04.33 | \3TATUK | but i'm able to log in via ttys |
| 03:04.50 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: have you modified anything in /etc/pam.d ? |
| 03:04.58 | \3TATUK | not intentionally ... |
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| 03:05.11 | \3TATUK | i think some file permissions may have been accidentally screwed up |
| 03:05.22 | \amethyst | ohh |
| 03:05.23 | \3TATUK | but everything in /etc/pam.d/ is root:root |
| 03:05.34 | vooduhal | Here is my interface definition for the tunnel. |
| 03:05.35 | vooduhal | http://pastebin.com/m5a68869c |
| 03:05.41 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: what about /bin/su ? |
| 03:05.44 | vooduhal | Any ideas? |
| 03:05.46 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: what are the perms on it? |
| 03:05.51 | \3TATUK | i think it's possibly related to some bunked permissions but i don't know where |
| 03:05.59 | \3TATUK | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27000 2007-02-27 01:53 /bin/su |
| 03:06.07 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: it's missing its setuid bit |
| 03:06.14 | \3TATUK | errr |
| 03:06.19 | \3TATUK | RALLY!? |
| 03:06.20 | \amethyst | possibly other things are as well |
| 03:06.29 | \3TATUK | i can fix that |
| 03:06.33 | \3TATUK | it's kind of a long story |
| 03:06.38 | \3TATUK | but it's good you noticed that.. |
| 03:06.41 | \3TATUK | what's that fix.. |
| 03:06.47 | \3TATUK | chmod +u ? |
| 03:06.56 | \amethyst | u+s |
| 03:07.06 | \3TATUK | i thought +s was 'sticky' bit |
| 03:07.58 | \amethyst | that's usually +t though I guess you could think of it as o+s |
| 03:08.03 | \3TATUK | that solved it right away |
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| 03:08.22 | \3TATUK | here's another question my Guru!... |
| 03:08.54 | \3TATUK | is it possible to convert the ls -l formatted permissions output of a file directly into a chmod param? |
| 03:10.16 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: stat -c '%a' filename |
| 03:10.36 | \3TATUK | er? |
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| 03:11.10 | \amethyst | instead of parsing and converting ls, use stat to get the info in the correct format in the first place |
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| 03:11.33 | \3TATUK | um |
| 03:11.36 | \3TATUK | that's the problem |
| 03:11.45 | \3TATUK | the only way i can fix the issue as it stands right now |
| 03:12.02 | \amethyst | reinstall the packages |
| 03:12.03 | \3TATUK | is because i have the entire output of `ls -lAR /` in a file |
| 03:12.15 | \3TATUK | there's no isolated 'files' |
| 03:12.21 | \3TATUK | basically ALL sticky is gone |
| 03:12.21 | \amethyst | hm |
| 03:12.23 | \3TATUK | and this is why |
| 03:12.33 | \3TATUK | look what happens when you `chown root:root /bin/su` |
| 03:12.38 | \amethyst | yes |
| 03:12.45 | \3TATUK | ...setuid bit = gone |
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| 03:13.09 | \amethyst | I guess you did a chown -R root:root / or something |
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| 03:13.40 | \3TATUK | well |
| 03:13.42 | \3TATUK | no .. |
| 03:13.53 | \3TATUK | well not on this system arg it's complicated |
| 03:13.55 | \3TATUK | on my server, yes |
| 03:14.07 | \3TATUK | i issued exactly that `chown -R root:root /` |
| 03:14.13 | \3TATUK | then on THIS system( my laptop) |
| 03:14.15 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: reinstalling all your packages will fix most of the problems I think |
| 03:14.29 | \3TATUK | i exported the output of `ls -lAR /` to a file |
| 03:14.29 | \amethyst | that should restore permissions and ownerships, at least on non-config files |
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| 03:14.31 | \3TATUK | and wrote a script |
| 03:14.39 | \3TATUK | then will chown ever file to what's in that file |
| 03:14.58 | \3TATUK | essentially to backup the perms of system files on my server from my laptop |
| 03:15.05 | \3TATUK | but i ran the script on my laptop for testing |
| 03:15.12 | \3TATUK | and it erased the setuid |
| 03:15.15 | \amethyst | heh |
| 03:15.21 | \3TATUK | but i have all the original perms saved in that file still |
| 03:15.31 | \amethyst | okay, so you've already got a script |
| 03:15.35 | \3TATUK | so i need to convert the ls -l perm format to something i can feed into chmod |
| 03:15.50 | \amethyst | that's good, because I was going to say that the hard part is following what directory you're in |
| 03:15.51 | \3TATUK | and there's a _reason_ i did `chown -R root:root /` on my server to start with, btw |
| 03:16.15 | \amethyst | not a good one, though |
| 03:16.15 | \3TATUK | nah my script's got that all covered |
| 03:16.21 | \3TATUK | it works with an unparsed `ls -lAR /` output |
| 03:16.36 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: so first, you can ignore the first letter |
| 03:16.46 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: that's the kind of file, and that won't change |
| 03:17.23 | \3TATUK | but just to be clear you don't know some nifty trick/tool to auto-convert? ;x ;x |
| 03:17.35 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: there might be a perl module to do it |
| 03:18.07 | \3TATUK | okay then something else to be clear |
| 03:18.13 | \3TATUK | well before that a question |
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| 03:18.16 | kd8ikt | is it window folder name day or somethin? |
| 03:18.17 | \3TATUK | if something is owned root:root |
| 03:18.22 | \3TATUK | and i chown it root:root |
| 03:18.28 | \3TATUK | why the hell does it look permission bits?? |
| 03:18.30 | kd8ikt | C:\>fail.exe |
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| 03:19.09 | \3TATUK | /s/look/loose |
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| 03:19.58 | extor | How does wine manage to produce a win2000 emulated environment out of the box without using actual dll files from MS? |
| 03:20.55 | \3TATUK | secondly, is the +s (setuid) bit likely to be the _only_ bit lost when doing so? |
| 03:21.17 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: it's a safety measure, though you're right that it would make sense for it to do nothing when nothing has changed |
| 03:21.26 | Somni | \3TATUK: you changed ownership of a file; it's a security problem if you change ownership but retain the setuid/setgid bits, as you change what user the program runs as |
| 03:21.29 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: setuid and setgid (u+s and g+s) |
| 03:21.59 | \3TATUK | Somni: technically the ownership didn't change! before it was root:root and now it's root:root |
| 03:22.00 | \3TATUK | heh |
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| 03:22.58 | \amethyst | hm, the standard requires setuid and setgid to be stripped if non-root user chowns, apparently regardless of whether anything changed |
| 03:23.01 | \3TATUK | \amethyst: okay but it's the same type of 'flag' (+s) regardless of which 'domain' it applies to (user/group/other) |
| 03:23.08 | \amethyst | if root chowns it's implementation defined |
| 03:23.14 | Somni | the system doesn't bother to check, apparently |
| 03:23.36 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: it won't affect the sticky bit (+t), which is the closest thing to a set-other-ID there is |
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| 03:23.42 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: just the top two |
| 03:23.46 | \3TATUK | okay |
| 03:23.49 | Somni | which, frankly, I'm glad of; setuid/setgid bits are fraught with enough peril without a lot of extra checking going on |
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| 03:24.06 | \3TATUK | and the way to tell the diff is capital S means no +x and lowercase s means +x exists :) |
| 03:24.24 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 03:24.25 | \3TATUK | and to be sure the order goes uuugggooo, yeah? |
| 03:24.46 | \3TATUK | i should be able to write a parser then |
| 03:24.53 | \amethyst | except on the sticky bit, where it's tT |
| 03:24.58 | \3TATUK | but |
| 03:25.00 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: yes |
| 03:25.07 | \3TATUK | that wouldn't have been effected by my chown script |
| 03:25.10 | \3TATUK | so no worries |
| 03:25.17 | \3TATUK | right? |
| 03:25.27 | \amethyst | but you're probably going to be constructing an octal model |
| 03:25.31 | \amethyst | s/model/mode/ |
| 03:25.41 | \3TATUK | yeah i just checked it |
| 03:25.44 | \amethyst | in which case you have to specify all the permission bits |
| 03:25.44 | \3TATUK | the sticky doesn't change |
| 03:25.53 | \3TATUK | nah |
| 03:26.01 | \3TATUK | i'll just use the ugo+s format |
| 03:26.18 | \3TATUK | one for each |
| 03:26.18 | intelikey | just uses numeric permissions chmod 4755 /bin/su and go... |
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| 03:27.20 | \3TATUK | \amethyst: and that reason i had to `chown -R root:root /` on my server is because the gbindadmin package is somewhat retarded |
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| 03:27.40 | \3TATUK | i was having rndc key issues so i changed the chroot from /var/named to / .. |
| 03:27.55 | \3TATUK | and lo and behold in ran some chown rap recursively on / |
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| 03:28.17 | intelikey | ??? `chown -R root:root /` e gads.... |
| 03:28.20 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: file a bug on that |
| 03:28.25 | \3TATUK | not to mention the gbindadmin chroot setup doesn't match the debian bind setup package |
| 03:28.30 | \3TATUK | just saying ^^ |
| 03:28.48 | \3TATUK | intelikey: yeah i was freaking out. but i'm almost recovered by this point |
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| 03:29.22 | \3TATUK | thanks a heap \amethyst you always come out good <3<3<3 love you <: |
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| 03:38.41 | intelikey | why the hell is this thing doing dns lookup on ssh 127.0.0.1 ? |
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| 03:39.30 | \3TATUK | what thing? |
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| 03:40.37 | intelikey | computer |
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| 03:41.26 | hugleo | hi |
| 03:41.45 | \3TATUK | \amethyst: in case you're bored .. here's what a modern day hacker comes up with in a frantic 3 hour panic: http://rafb.net/p/ecSbOX68.html :) |
| 03:41.59 | hugleo | My debian system don't recognize my network board |
| 03:42.01 | hugleo | :( |
| 03:42.07 | intelikey | if i can't configure a debian system better than this, i need to go use something else... i thought i had this issue solved |
| 03:42.34 | intelikey | http://debian.pastebin.us/?show=d168987a2 |
| 03:43.27 | \3TATUK | paste your /etc/hosts file ? |
| 03:43.34 | \3TATUK | hugleo: which board? |
| 03:43.57 | hugleo | \3TATUK, I don't know |
| 03:44.05 | Somni | \3TATUK: oh well, if you're just going to resort to system calls to chmod |
| 03:44.26 | \3TATUK | ..then? |
| 03:44.31 | intelikey | \3TATUK 127.0.0.1 localhost 192.168.0.6 dell |
| 03:44.48 | Somni | \3TATUK: perl -nwle '@F = split " ", $_, 8; next unless @F == 8; ($u, $g, $o) = $F[0] =~ /^.(...)(...)(...)$/; tr/-//d for $u, $g, $o; print "$F[0] -> u=$u,g=$g,o=$o for $F[-1]";' |
| 03:45.10 | \3TATUK | rofl, i'm good? |
| 03:45.21 | \3TATUK | nice regexp foo there but yeah i'm set |
| 03:45.49 | Somni | that was half an hour ago, you asked for an octal mode |
| 03:45.55 | \3TATUK | no.. |
| 03:45.58 | \3TATUK | i.. didn't |
| 03:46.06 | \3TATUK | either you or someone else _suggested_ it |
| 03:46.12 | jetscreamer | what's a good live cd nowadays |
| 03:46.21 | \3TATUK | slax.org ! |
| 03:46.29 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: one problem |
| 03:46.32 | intelikey | knoppix |
| 03:46.36 | \3TATUK | orr since you're in #debian ... Debian Live :p |
| 03:46.41 | \3TATUK | \amethyst: hm |
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| 03:46.42 | \3TATUK | ? |
| 03:46.45 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: you need to add in the x if the letter was s |
| 03:47.06 | \3TATUK | i..do |
| 03:47.09 | \3TATUK | ..? |
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| 03:47.26 | Somni | s is setuid and executable |
| 03:47.33 | \3TATUK | oh |
| 03:47.38 | \3TATUK | \amethyst: you mean 'don't need to' |
| 03:47.42 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: if the file is rwsr-xr-x your script will generate u=rws,g=rx,o=rx |
| 03:47.42 | Somni | you don't need to add it, as chmod treats it the same way |
| 03:48.06 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: chmod o=rws,g=rx,o=rx will make a file with mode 4655 |
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| 03:48.23 | \3TATUK | i'm still not following what you think i'm missing or what the problem is |
| 03:48.36 | \3TATUK | i'm pretty sure the way you're suggesting it should be is the way it is in that code |
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| 03:48.50 | \3TATUK | about to test soon |
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| 03:49.34 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: suppose you have a file like /bin/su |
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| 03:49.46 | Somni | chmod o=rws,g=rx,o=rx test ; stat -c '%a' test -> 4155 |
| 03:49.47 | \3TATUK | if the file is rwsr-xr-x then it will execute u+xs |
| 03:50.06 | \3TATUK | chmod u+xs |
| 03:50.22 | Somni | chmod understands s means setuid and executable; the chmod modes correspond directly to the ls -l modoes |
| 03:50.25 | Somni | modes |
| 03:50.27 | \3TATUK | if it is rwSr-xr-x it will execute chmod u-x+s |
| 03:50.33 | \amethyst | Somni: that's not what I get here |
| 03:50.42 | \3TATUK | okay my use of +-x may be redundant |
| 03:50.46 | \amethyst | Somni: coreutils 6.10 |
| 03:50.49 | \3TATUK | but it still works anyway |
| 03:51.01 | Somni | \amethyst: when you run that what do you get? |
| 03:51.03 | \amethyst | Somni: and 4155 doesn't make sense anyway? |
| 03:51.07 | \amethyst | Somni: 4655 |
| 03:51.17 | \3TATUK | i don't get 4155 or 4655 |
| 03:51.17 | intelikey | 4755 |
| 03:51.21 | \3TATUK | i get 755 |
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| 03:51.45 | Somni | hm, u=rws, not o=rws |
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| 03:52.03 | \3TATUK | no i get 655 |
| 03:52.13 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: oh, sorry, that was a typo |
| 03:52.18 | \amethyst | Somni: |
| 03:52.30 | \3TATUK | whatever. \amethyst i still don't see a logic error. i' will run the test now |
| 03:52.31 | intelikey | for suid user read write execute groub read execute other read execute it's 4755 |
| 03:52.37 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: chmod u=rws,g=rx,o=rx foo |
| 03:52.47 | \amethyst | that gives me mode 4655 |
| 03:52.58 | \3TATUK | and? |
| 03:52.58 | \amethyst | apparently it gives some people 4155 |
| 03:53.05 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: which doesn't have executable |
| 03:53.11 | \3TATUK | well |
| 03:53.15 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: so you will have to do the 'replace s by sx' thing |
| 03:53.19 | \3TATUK | i redundantly use + or -x anyway |
| 03:53.30 | \3TATUK | you didn't see? |
| 03:53.36 | \amethyst | I must have missed that |
| 03:53.56 | \3TATUK | os.system("chmod u+xs '%s/%s'"%(dir,feela)) |
| 03:53.56 | \3TATUK | os.system("chmod u-x+s '%s/%s'"%(dir,feela)) |
| 03:53.56 | \3TATUK | os.system("chmod g+xs '%s/%s'"%(dir,feela)) |
| 03:53.57 | \amethyst | I saw the version that printed u=$u,g=$g,o=$o |
| 03:53.59 | \3TATUK | and so on |
| 03:54.06 | \3TATUK | notice the +xs ... -x+s |
| 03:54.18 | \3TATUK | nooo that's what Somni is suggesting |
| 03:54.23 | \amethyst | oh, i didn't see the python script at all |
| 03:54.28 | \3TATUK | i pasted my whole recovery script lol yeah |
| 03:54.34 | \3TATUK | http://rafb.net/p/ecSbOX68.html |
| 03:54.35 | \3TATUK | ;) |
| 03:54.40 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: OH |
| 03:54.44 | \3TATUK | and now to run! :> |
| 03:54.50 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: I had been looking at what Somni pasted, not what you pasted |
| 03:54.52 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: my bad |
| 03:54.59 | \3TATUK | eh |
| 03:55.07 | \3TATUK | never been one much for perl myself |
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| 03:56.16 | \3TATUK | oops missed a trailing ) on line 19 :) |
| 03:56.26 | \3TATUK | ***running |
| 03:56.56 | \3TATUK | and once i know this works 100% then i can run on my server |
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| 03:57.39 | \3TATUK | and the results of `chown -R root:root /` will be reverted! (somewhat. at least will ensure the non-breakage of my system and will have to manually restore files i manually changed, which will be trivial) |
| 03:57.42 | \3TATUK | :-D |
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| 04:01.38 | intelikey | well i'm going to trash this thing. i might reinstall debian later if i get board. but right now this is more trouble than it's worth to me. |
| 04:01.49 | intelikey | gooday people. |
| 04:01.57 | \3TATUK | night |
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| 04:02.40 | \3TATUK | \amethyst: If you ls -l /bin/su in xterm, the filename outputs as red highlighted white text, yeah? |
| 04:03.23 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: white on red, yes |
| 04:06.57 | \3TATUK | nice just wanted to be sure i didn't screw something up cause that looks 'alert-full' |
| 04:07.25 | \3TATUK | you know what's funny |
| 04:07.33 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: suid deserved alertfulness |
| 04:07.39 | \amethyst | s/served/serves/ |
| 04:07.43 | \3TATUK | is how when you try to chown some (EXISTING) /proc files |
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| 04:08.01 | \3TATUK | not only does it complain with something like Operation not permitted, maybe (even if you are root) |
| 04:08.20 | \3TATUK | but it will even go as far as to say the file DOESN'T EXIST! when it clearly does! |
| 04:08.36 | \3TATUK | 'No such file or directory' |
| 04:08.37 | \3TATUK | hehe |
| 04:09.03 | \3TATUK | c7a71k@debian:~/test$ ls -l /proc/9/task/9/exe |
| 04:09.03 | \3TATUK | ls: cannot read symbolic link /proc/9/task/9/exe: Permission denied |
| 04:09.03 | \3TATUK | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2008-08-21 23:06 /proc/9/task/9/exe |
| 04:09.17 | \3TATUK | chown: changing ownership of `/proc/9/task/9': Operation not permitted |
| 04:09.17 | \3TATUK | chown: changing ownership of `/proc/9/task/9/exe': No such file or directory |
| 04:09.19 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: that's not a real file for one thing |
| 04:09.24 | \3TATUK | those are funky funky files |
| 04:09.40 | \3TATUK | if it's a supposed symbolic link.. what is it linking to? there is no '->' |
| 04:09.42 | \3TATUK | ^.^ |
| 04:09.45 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: it's a reference to the executable for process ID 9 |
| 04:10.04 | \3TATUK | if it's mounted on the / filesystem it's got to be a file! |
| 04:10.06 | \3TATUK | ehehe |
| 04:10.07 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: process 9 might not have an executable (it might be a kernel process) |
| 04:10.10 | \3TATUK | yeah /proc is special |
| 04:10.41 | \3TATUK | still |
| 04:10.49 | \amethyst | \3TATUK: you see similar symlinks-that-don't-really-point-anywhere when looking at an open network socket /proc/<pid>/fd |
| 04:10.51 | \3TATUK | i bet proc 'files' are the only in existence... |
| 04:10.54 | \3TATUK | that have +l |
| 04:11.01 | \3TATUK | and no '->' when you ls -l them |
| 04:11.11 | \3TATUK | even links to non existing files still have the -> pointer |
| 04:11.39 | \amethyst | you could also have that situation on a filesystem where symlinks have their own permissions |
| 04:12.04 | \amethyst | in that case, if the symlink itself isn't readable (normally they're 777), you can't see what it's pointing at |
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| 04:12.30 | \amethyst | I don't think this is possible in any of the native Linux FSs |
| 04:13.53 | Maliuta | \amethyst: no, symlinks themselves are 777 but honor the access perms of the target |
| 04:14.12 | Maliuta | \amethyst: if you want separate perms use a hard link |
| 04:15.50 | p1ngp0ng | i just reinstalled debian due to some major issues. im asking now if someone please could tell me how do get gcc and kernel headers from shell? i need this to install my nvidia driver. |
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| 04:16.19 | \amethyst | Maliuta: hard links can't have separate permissions |
| 04:16.23 | \amethyst | Maliuta: they're the same inode |
| 04:16.28 | p1ngp0ng | aptitude install gcc and aptitude install linux-kernel-headers-kernel-version? |
| 04:17.06 | \amethyst | Maliuta: on some Unixes you can create links that are themselves not mode 777 |
| 04:17.17 | \amethyst | Maliuta: they provide a lchown syscall; Linux does not |
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| 04:17.57 | \3TATUK | pingouin: aptitude install build-essentials |
| 04:18.12 | \3TATUK | *build-essential, even |
| 04:18.34 | p1ngp0ng | thanks :) |
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| 04:18.43 | \3TATUK | and btw you really don't need that for a 'modern' nvidia driver |
| 04:18.53 | p1ngp0ng | what is essentials? same as headers? |
| 04:18.58 | \3TATUK | there are packages.. you don't need to manually compile |
| 04:19.11 | \3TATUK | build-essential will grab gcc and the headers .. |
| 04:19.23 | \3TATUK | you should take a look at debian-multimedia.org though |
| 04:19.36 | \3TATUK | it has 'modern' non-free nvidia drivers |
| 04:19.37 | p1ngp0ng | aah, i see. gcc and headers are essential to any linux distro. |
| 04:19.46 | \3TATUK | no |
| 04:19.50 | \3TATUK | they're essential to build things ;) |
| 04:19.53 | Gillpy | Is it possible to run processes from init on the command line ? |
| 04:20.01 | p1ngp0ng | hehe. allright :) |
| 04:20.06 | \3TATUK | like i said though |
| 04:20.18 | \3TATUK | debian-multimedia.org can be used for 'modern' nvidia drivers.. |
| 04:20.20 | p1ngp0ng | i downloaded the linux driver from nvidia.com. and it requiers gcc and the headers |
| 04:20.27 | \3TATUK | (that will allow you to run new opengl 3d games) |
| 04:20.32 | p1ngp0ng | isnt the nvidia.com driver modern? |
| 04:20.41 | \3TATUK | yes but you're doing it the 'harder' way |
| 04:21.02 | p1ngp0ng | oh, i find it easy really, i just type sh nvidia_driver_bla_bla and voila |
| 04:21.09 | p1ngp0ng | just need gcc and headers first tho |
| 04:21.25 | \3TATUK | yes but then updating and new kernels and all this and that make it problematic |
| 04:21.43 | \3TATUK | i know what you're going through, i've run slackware for a few years on a modern nvidia card .. |
| 04:22.00 | p1ngp0ng | because i would need to make a new module whenever i upgrade my kernel? |
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| 04:22.31 | p1ngp0ng | slackware <3 |
| 04:22.35 | \3TATUK | heh |
| 04:22.39 | \3TATUK | i'll tell you just in case you might be interested so you can pick.. |
| 04:23.00 | \3TATUK | add the following to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main |
| 04:23.10 | \3TATUK | then: aptitude update |
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| 04:23.41 | \3TATUK | then: aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 04:23.55 | \3TATUK | finally: aptitude install nvidia-glx && aptitude upgrade |
| 04:23.57 | \3TATUK | done ^^ :) |
| 04:24.05 | p1ngp0ng | and that is for the modern driver? |
| 04:24.12 | \3TATUK | yes |
| 04:24.21 | p1ngp0ng | im confused, you say non-free |
| 04:24.23 | p1ngp0ng | what gives |
| 04:24.30 | \3TATUK | modern in the sense that you can run accelerated 3d opengl |
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| 04:24.38 | \3TATUK | yeah.. it is non-free |
| 04:24.44 | \3TATUK | hold on |
| 04:24.50 | \3TATUK | you just said <3 slackware |
| 04:24.59 | \3TATUK | and now you're saying you don't know what "free software" is? |
| 04:25.16 | \3TATUK | now i'm changing my assumption to the fact you _haven't_ actually -ran- slackware? |
| 04:25.18 | p1ngp0ng | yes i know what that is |
| 04:25.27 | \3TATUK | so? |
| 04:25.30 | Pengue | anybody know the names of the auto configuration packages for x? I am having problems doing dpkg-reconf for x - it is not giving me the option to change resolution. any ideas, please? |
| 04:25.32 | \3TATUK | where did you get lost? |
| 04:25.34 | p1ngp0ng | but non-free you mean as in not open source? |
| 04:25.39 | \3TATUK | yes |
| 04:25.55 | \3TATUK | nvidia doesn't publish source |
| 04:25.55 | p1ngp0ng | but its still free, only you cant modify it in anyway |
| 04:26.02 | \3TATUK | lol |
| 04:26.03 | p1ngp0ng | aah, i get it |
| 04:26.04 | p1ngp0ng | hehehee |
| 04:26.06 | \3TATUK | it's not free |
| 04:26.07 | \3TATUK | ;x |
| 04:26.15 | \3TATUK | it's MONETARILY free |
| 04:26.21 | \3TATUK | or 'free of monetary costs' |
| 04:26.26 | p1ngp0ng | ah |
| 04:26.29 | p1ngp0ng | got it |
| 04:26.32 | \3TATUK | but it's not "Free Software(TM)" :) |
| 04:26.46 | \3TATUK | a'la GNU/FSF |
| 04:26.46 | p1ngp0ng | :) |
| 04:26.52 | p1ngp0ng | yeah |
| 04:26.59 | \amethyst | !dfsg |
| 04:26.59 | dpkg | dfsg is probably the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 04:27.42 | p1ngp0ng | i said slackware <3 yes. but i've never really goten into linux/slackware. i only love slackware coz i've been on and off it for many many years |
| 04:27.50 | p1ngp0ng | im sort of a closet linux user :P |
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| 04:28.06 | p1ngp0ng | it was my first linux distro |
| 04:28.13 | \3TATUK | in my opinion.. Slackware's downfall was when 11.0 was released without 2.6 as the default kernel (as it was revered to have been for such a long and delayed time)... and now the only way it can be redeemed is by adopting an official online package manager >= apt... and i would definitely suggest pacman ^.^ |
| 04:28.37 | \3TATUK | redhat (i think like 6.0) was my first |
| 04:28.53 | p1ngp0ng | hmm, i think my first was slackware 8.0 |
| 04:29.06 | \3TATUK | nice |
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| 04:29.24 | \3TATUK | it's kind of funny but... |
| 04:29.55 | \3TATUK | slackware is like the debian in "debian vs ubuntu" |
| 04:29.59 | barnum | yeah i was a die hard slackware fan for a long time but eventually the lack of package mangement brought me over |
| 04:30.35 | \3TATUK | man i could stand no packaging... but it was SO revered for SO long that 11.0 would FINALLY have 2.6 as default (the other major distros already did for a great while now) |
| 04:30.44 | barnum | went downhill after jkh left imo |
| 04:30.54 | \3TATUK | but it put it in measly /extras .. i felt violated |
| 04:31.07 | \3TATUK | which ver did jkh leave from? |
| 04:31.22 | p1ngp0ng | is debian similar to ubuntu? |
| 04:31.25 | barnum | memory fuzzy but around 7 i think |
| 04:31.30 | barnum | ubuntu is based on debian |
| 04:31.35 | p1ngp0ng | oh |
| 04:31.40 | barnum | whenever wind river bought bsdi |
| 04:31.43 | p1ngp0ng | i dont like ubuntu |
| 04:31.45 | barnum | or aroud that time |
| 04:31.48 | p1ngp0ng | its _to_ easy |
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| 04:32.07 | barnum | gentoo for the masochist |
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| 04:32.21 | \3TATUK | barnum: And bailey!? (Yes I know .. I'm sure you've heard that before ^^) |
| 04:32.35 | \3TATUK | f*ck gentoo... |
| 04:32.37 | p1ngp0ng | i want a distro that makes me strugle a bit, but not to much if you know what im saying |
| 04:32.53 | p1ngp0ng | so that i learn a little while im at it |
| 04:32.53 | \3TATUK | the gento leader works for microsoft for fsck sakes! |
| 04:34.08 | barnum | debian is a good distro |
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| 04:34.46 | p1ngp0ng | build-essential didnt get me the headers it seems. coz the driver still nags about it |
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| 04:35.10 | dmoerner | \3TATUK, daniel robbins is no longer the leader of gentoo. please stay on topic in #debian |
| 04:35.25 | p1ngp0ng | before the reinstall, i got the headers from aptitude gui, and it also isntalled all the kernel architechtures :s |
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| 04:36.45 | wantok | p1ngp0ng: you after the kernel headers? |
| 04:37.03 | vilemaxim | I'm having horde kolab problems...Cannot seem to get horde to allow a login. Anyone know how to trooble shoot this? |
| 04:37.20 | vilemaxim | on lenny |
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| 04:41.40 | \3TATUK | dmoerner: whatever ... leader /FOUNDER * :) and okayyy so uh... what's new with Ian and Debra? |
| 04:41.45 | \3TATUK | :> |
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| 04:42.19 | _mary_kate_ | how do i configure an ipv6 alias address in such a way that it doesn't become the default source address? |
| 04:42.51 | dmoerner | \3TATUK, he is head of project indiana, aka opensolaris |
| 04:43.01 | \3TATUK | Ian? |
| 04:43.11 | p1ngp0ng | couldnt stat source package list http://debian.multimedia.org stable/main |
| 04:43.23 | \3TATUK | dmoerner: Ian is..? |
| 04:43.34 | p1ngp0ng | wantok: yes |
| 04:43.47 | dmoerner | p1ngp0ng, www.debian-multimedia.org is the site you want and i think marillat normally points to sid sources for deb-src lines |
| 04:43.50 | \3TATUK | On March 19, 2007, Sun made the surprise announcement that it had hired Ian Murdock, founder of Debian, to head "Project Indiana" [2]. |
| 04:43.56 | dmoerner | \3TATUK, yes. |
| 04:44.00 | p1ngp0ng | \3TATUK: thats the error i get when running aptitude update after editing the file |
| 04:44.09 | \3TATUK | well that's better then a move to microsoft so that's not so bad |
| 04:44.28 | wantok | p1ngp0ng: apt-cache search linux-headers-2.6 |
| 04:45.39 | p1ngp0ng | wantok: i will try that if other methods fail me |
| 04:46.10 | \3TATUK | p1ngp0ng: you have http://debian.multimedia.org ..you _need_ http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 04:46.10 | p1ngp0ng | dmoerner: what are you saying? i just got toled to edit the aptitude file. |
| 04:46.30 | p1ngp0ng | i tried that aswell |
| 04:46.31 | p1ngp0ng | same error |
| 04:46.47 | \3TATUK | cat you pastebin your whole /etc/apt/source.list file? |
| 04:46.52 | \3TATUK | i think you made it mistake somewhere |
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| 04:46.56 | dmoerner | p1ngp0ng, what is "the aptitude file"? my point is that a normal line is: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ etch main |
| 04:47.02 | dmoerner | in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:47.35 | p1ngp0ng | \3TATUK: id love to. but i cant copy paste. as im in shell. unable to get in x |
| 04:47.48 | p1ngp0ng | oh wait |
| 04:47.52 | p1ngp0ng | join flood \3TATUK |
| 04:47.57 | \3TATUK | it should look somewhat like this: http://rafb.net/p/KAGo4215.html |
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| 04:48.14 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
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| 04:48.26 | edwin_quijada | how can I desinstall a package |
| 04:48.35 | dmoerner | edwin_quijada, aptitude remove package |
| 04:48.37 | dmoerner | as root |
| 04:48.47 | edwin_quijada | I am trying to do apt-get remove --purge X11 |
| 04:49.02 | dmoerner | edwin_quijada, X11 is not a package. try xorg or xserver-xorg |
| 04:49.03 | edwin_quijada | but it doesnt anything |
| 04:49.09 | dmoerner | why do you want to remove X? |
| 04:49.12 | \3TATUK | p1ngp0ng: I'm there. |
| 04:49.13 | p1ngp0ng | \3TATUK: i cant copy paste so nm. but i wrote "deb http://www.debian.multimedia.org stable main" |
| 04:49.17 | edwin_quijada | i dont want X |
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| 04:49.45 | edwin_quijada | how can i see the pack installed in my system |
| 04:49.47 | edwin_quijada | ? |
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| 04:49.55 | dmoerner | edwin_quijada, dpkg -l |
| 04:50.29 | \3TATUK | again |
| 04:50.30 | \3TATUK | p1ngp0ng: |
| 04:50.50 | \3TATUK | you _have_ a .(DOT) between debian and multimedia, you _need_ a - (SLASH) |
| 04:51.22 | Maliuta | that's a dash, not a slash |
| 04:51.25 | p1ngp0ng | aha |
| 04:51.34 | p1ngp0ng | it worked. but i got a public key error |
| 04:51.56 | \3TATUK | man |
| 04:52.03 | Maliuta | p1ngp0ng: install the keyring |
| 04:52.04 | \3TATUK | read what i said in #flood please :) |
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| 04:57.33 | p1ngp0ng | ok its done. so now i just reboot and voila? |
| 04:57.43 | \3UHY | well |
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| 04:57.49 | \3UHY | you installed nvidia-glx? |
| 04:57.52 | p1ngp0ng | yes |
| 04:57.54 | \3UHY | and you did aptitude upgrade aswell? |
| 04:57.58 | p1ngp0ng | yep |
| 04:58.03 | \3UHY | 1 last thing |
| 04:58.05 | \3UHY | just to check |
| 04:58.27 | \3UHY | cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf|grep Driver |
| 04:58.39 | \3UHY | you seed Driver "nvidia" at the end, yeah? |
| 04:58.52 | p1ngp0ng | no |
| 04:59.00 | \3UHY | nonono? |
| 04:59.02 | \3UHY | what you see? |
| 04:59.04 | p1ngp0ng | its blank |
| 04:59.10 | \3UHY | err |
| 04:59.15 | \3UHY | i somewhat doubt that |
| 04:59.27 | \3UHY | did you put a capital D in Driver? |
| 04:59.40 | \3UHY | you need to pay a little bit more attention to detail in reading ... |
| 04:59.49 | \3UHY | hehe |
| 05:00.14 | \3UHY | most GNU/Linux related tasks are case-SENSITIVE |
| 05:00.15 | p1ngp0ng | hehehe |
| 05:00.18 | \3UHY | so? |
| 05:00.19 | p1ngp0ng | i knew that |
| 05:00.22 | \3UHY | you see "nvidia"? |
| 05:00.23 | p1ngp0ng | just forgot |
| 05:00.32 | p1ngp0ng | not nvidia but nv. i guess its the same |
| 05:00.37 | \3UHY | no it's not the same |
| 05:00.43 | p1ngp0ng | Driver "nv" |
| 05:00.45 | \3UHY | i thought installing nvidia-glx would update that |
| 05:00.51 | \3UHY | edit that file |
| 05:00.55 | \3UHY | change "nv" to "nvidia" |
| 05:00.56 | p1ngp0ng | xorg.conf? |
| 05:00.59 | \3UHY | yeah |
| 05:01.02 | p1ngp0ng | allright |
| 05:01.13 | \3UHY | THEN you should be good to go |
| 05:01.26 | \3UHY | a restart probably isn't required.. just a `/etc/init.d/gdm restart` |
| 05:01.27 | p1ngp0ng | ok |
| 05:01.31 | \3UHY | but you can restart if you want |
| 05:01.40 | \3UHY | i probably would anyway, since you changed your apt and all |
| 05:01.48 | p1ngp0ng | ok, brb then :) |
| 05:01.51 | \3UHY | ttys |
| 05:04.31 | p1ngp0ng | did not work |
| 05:04.39 | \3UHY | x fails? |
| 05:04.41 | p1ngp0ng | yes |
| 05:04.43 | manu_hack | is collectd good or is there any better package? |
| 05:04.43 | \3UHY | hrm! |
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| 05:04.51 | p1ngp0ng | :\ |
| 05:05.00 | \3UHY | i'll help you |
| 05:05.07 | \3UHY | keep in mind it's been a while since i've done this |
| 05:05.20 | p1ngp0ng | np. i appriciate your help :) |
| 05:05.24 | p1ngp0ng | alot |
| 05:05.56 | \3UHY | wait |
| 05:06.00 | \3UHY | you're running Etch right? |
| 05:06.03 | p1ngp0ng | yes |
| 05:06.03 | \3UHY | or did you upgrade? |
| 05:06.05 | \3UHY | okay |
| 05:06.17 | \3UHY | do this |
| 05:06.31 | p1ngp0ng | i installed using dvd1.iso |
| 05:06.33 | \3UHY | uname -r |
| 05:06.40 | dmoerner | p1ngp0ng, did the etch one liner fail? |
| 05:06.43 | dmoerner | !nvidia_one_liner |
| 05:06.48 | jetscreamer | basically, there is no debian nvidia |
| 05:07.02 | dmoerner | !nvidia one liner |
| 05:07.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 05:07.05 | p1ngp0ng | 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 05:07.11 | jetscreamer | as i said... |
| 05:07.20 | jetscreamer | enjoy the headache |
| 05:07.34 | jetscreamer | (from trying to use debian nvidia packages) |
| 05:07.36 | \3UHY | err |
| 05:07.36 | dmoerner | just copy paste that line on etch and it should work |
| 05:07.44 | \3UHY | i don't know if that amd64 is going to be an issue or not |
| 05:07.53 | jetscreamer | oh yeah there's that too iirc |
| 05:07.56 | dmoerner | it has the solution for amd64 within the factoid |
| 05:08.00 | \3UHY | i see no nvidia kernel module for amd |
| 05:08.02 | \3UHY | but ookay |
| 05:08.03 | p1ngp0ng | yeh i see that |
| 05:08.06 | p1ngp0ng | ia32 |
| 05:08.22 | \3UHY | aptitude search kernel|grep nvidia|grep 2.6.18 |
| 05:08.27 | jetscreamer | ia32!=amd64 or core2duo |
| 05:08.41 | p1ngp0ng | i got core2duo |
| 05:08.41 | \3UHY | see 486, 686, k7... but i don't see any 64 |
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| 05:09.01 | \3UHY | i wouldn't be surprised if the 686 worked |
| 05:09.04 | jetscreamer | if you don't want to use the nv driver, /join #nvidia and ask |
| 05:09.07 | jetscreamer | i would |
| 05:09.15 | \3UHY | aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 05:09.17 | \3UHY | ^^ |
| 05:09.17 | jetscreamer | be suprosed that is |
| 05:09.24 | jetscreamer | err suprised |
| 05:09.33 | \3UHY | or don't ;x |
| 05:09.33 | jetscreamer | extremely |
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| 05:09.45 | \3UHY | /j #nvidia |
| 05:10.44 | p1ngp0ng | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg && install nvidia-glx-ia32 Is that correct? |
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| 05:11.06 | dmoerner | p1ngp0ng, no, you have to add nvidia-glx-ia32 to the end of the first apt-get install line |
| 05:11.13 | Gillpy | Is it possible to ask init to begin a process, from the shell ? |
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| 05:11.20 | jetscreamer | not the ia32 portion... unless you have itainium.. i thought those were 64bit anyway |
| 05:12.03 | jetscreamer | i could always be wrong |
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| 05:12.09 | dmoerner | ia32 = add on statically linked 32-bit libraries i believe |
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| 05:12.25 | dmoerner | ia64 = itanium architecture |
| 05:12.33 | p1ngp0ng | im lost now |
| 05:12.48 | jetscreamer | i think he said 'it will work' |
| 05:12.50 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 05:13.00 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 05:13.30 | p1ngp0ng | im gonna get the headers and do it the way i managed to get it done earlier |
| 05:13.54 | dmoerner | p1ngp0ng, it will work on amd64. the package is in etch. run the following commands: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-ia32 nvidia-settings |
| 05:14.04 | dmoerner | followed by dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:15.08 | jetscreamer | that damn peer again |
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| 05:17.54 | p1ngp0ng | kernel not found. are you sure you spelled it correctly? |
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| 05:18.45 | dmoerner | p1ngp0ng, what is the precise error message? |
| 05:18.57 | p1ngp0ng | cant find "nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64" |
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| 05:20.30 | dmoerner | p1ngp0ng, this makes no sense...http://packages.debian.org/etch/nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 what is the output of aptitude search ~nnvidia-kernel |
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| 05:22.07 | p1ngp0ng | one sec |
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| 05:23.54 | p1ngp0ng | i get nvidia-kernel-common -Nvidia binary kernel module common files |
| 05:24.34 | dmoerner | p1ngp0ng, what is the output of apt-cache policy |
| 05:25.16 | p1ngp0ng | anyways, i managed to install the driver and x is working. i simply did this "apt-cache search linux-kernal-headers" and then located the one i needed and did apt-get install linux-kernel-headers-2.6.18-6-amd64" |
| 05:25.39 | p1ngp0ng | then ran sh nvidia_driver_blabla |
| 05:25.56 | dmoerner | p1ngp0ng, you can do what you want but if you don't use the debian way you can't expect any support here |
| 05:26.31 | p1ngp0ng | i want to do it the debian way. i really do |
| 05:26.48 | p1ngp0ng | apt-cache policy outputs alot. |
| 05:27.10 | p1ngp0ng | hold on so i can get into x. will make it alot easier for me to get som help. and provide outputs for you guys |
| 05:27.19 | dmoerner | i just need to see the line that says deb http://...debian.../debian/ etch <this last part is what I want to see> |
| 05:29.40 | p1ngp0ng | from the apt-get policy command? |
| 05:29.53 | dmoerner | p1ngp0ng, or just from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:30.01 | p1ngp0ng | aha one moment |
| 05:30.58 | p1ngp0ng | deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 05:31.06 | p1ngp0ng | is that what you wanted to see? |
| 05:31.24 | dmoerner | p1ngp0ng, you need to add "contrib non-free" to the end of that line |
| 05:31.27 | dmoerner | for these packages to show up |
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| 05:33.07 | p1ngp0ng | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main |
| 05:33.13 | p1ngp0ng | that line you mean? |
| 05:33.26 | p1ngp0ng | or the first i posted? |
| 05:33.30 | p1ngp0ng | pasted* |
| 05:33.44 | cvn | hi how do i check the download speed for a particular background process? |
| 05:34.31 | dmoerner | p1ngp0ng, the first one. deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 05:35.31 | p1ngp0ng | and then aptitude install nvidia-glx? |
| 05:35.42 | dmoerner | p1ngp0ng, aptitude install that whole string that i gave you above |
| 05:35.45 | dmoerner | remember to run aptitude update first |
| 05:36.12 | p1ngp0ng | yeh. do i need to install the keyring again aswell? |
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| 05:36.26 | dmoerner | p1ngp0ng, these are the main debian archives. the keyring is already installed |
| 05:36.44 | p1ngp0ng | so just update the aptitude and install nvidia-glx then? |
| 05:36.58 | p1ngp0ng | and upgrade when that is done |
| 05:37.23 | dmoerner | p1ngp0ng, no. aptitude install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings nvidia-glx-ia32 nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64. |
| 05:37.38 | p1ngp0ng | ah okey |
| 05:37.57 | p1ngp0ng | do i need to uninstall the driver i just installed using the kernel headers? |
| 05:38.42 | dmoerner | p1ngp0ng, it will be overwritten |
| 05:38.48 | p1ngp0ng | okey. well |
| 05:38.53 | p1ngp0ng | im gonna give it a try then |
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| 05:40.20 | extor | I'm pleasantly surprised at how easily winetools is installing Internet Explorer 6.0 without windows even being installed--how on earth did the wine project get away with this? |
| 05:40.53 | \3UHY | heh |
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| 05:41.00 | \3UHY | yeah i have IE6 running on my debian etch |
| 05:41.42 | extor | I just tried it with knoppix in vmware |
| 05:41.47 | p1ngp0ng | \3UHY: have you been monitoring the convo i've had with dmoerner? |
| 05:41.54 | extor | Didnt bother with dcom98 but yeah...its exciting |
| 05:42.02 | p1ngp0ng | do i just reboot now? |
| 05:42.14 | p1ngp0ng | i've installed the driver and nvidia kernel |
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| 05:42.26 | \3UHY | p1ngp0ng: umm.. i've been skimming. it seems like i came close but was just off by the amd64bit hair on my back |
| 05:42.54 | \3UHY | reboot that sucker! :> |
| 05:43.13 | \3UHY | and btw, this is on a diff sys then your IRC client? |
| 05:43.15 | p1ngp0ng | yeh, and the fact that i needed to add contrib non-free the aptget file |
| 05:43.20 | p1ngp0ng | nope |
| 05:43.30 | \3UHY | because last time you rebooted |
| 05:43.35 | \3UHY | i didn't see a recon message |
| 05:43.38 | \3UHY | guess i missed it |
| 05:43.39 | \3UHY | ttys |
| 05:43.48 | p1ngp0ng | well i didnt disconnect when i rebooted |
| 05:43.50 | p1ngp0ng | ;) |
| 05:43.53 | \3UHY | how? |
| 05:43.55 | p1ngp0ng | screen is a nice little thing |
| 05:44.06 | \3UHY | ah |
| 05:44.13 | \3UHY | you're through a bnc |
| 05:44.19 | p1ngp0ng | nope |
| 05:44.21 | \3UHY | ctrl+a+d that bitch! |
| 05:44.22 | p1ngp0ng | just a shell |
| 05:44.25 | p1ngp0ng | hehe yeh :P |
| 05:44.27 | p1ngp0ng | brb |
| 05:44.36 | \3UHY | w/e ... bnc ... shell.. interchangeable:> |
| 05:45.33 | \3UHY | bshellz.net = down? rofl? |
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| 05:46.13 | \3UHY | eh |
| 05:46.16 | \3UHY | just no httpd |
| 05:46.20 | \3UHY | even though it has 'www.' |
| 05:46.23 | \3UHY | heh |
| 05:47.42 | p1ngp0ng | ah yes! very nice sexytime it worked |
| 05:48.19 | \3UHY | ^.^ |
| 05:48.19 | p1ngp0ng | debian way is definatly better than the easy way |
| 05:48.30 | p1ngp0ng | i even got a loging screen now :P |
| 05:48.37 | p1ngp0ng | login* |
| 05:48.43 | \3UHY | login = fail |
| 05:48.49 | \3UHY | gdmsetup as root = autologin :) |
| 05:49.07 | p1ngp0ng | nah, i like the login screen :) |
| 05:49.16 | p1ngp0ng | but i will remember that for when im sick of it hehe |
| 05:49.40 | \3UHY | you can still log out to get the login screen prompt if you want to sit there and meditate to it :D |
| 05:49.44 | \3UHY | hehe but k |
| 05:49.51 | p1ngp0ng | btw, how do you guys remember all those diferent commands and such? seems like ther is alot to remember |
| 05:49.54 | p1ngp0ng | _alot_ |
| 05:50.10 | p1ngp0ng | hehe, i actually like meditation. |
| 05:50.12 | widrone | the brain is big |
| 05:50.29 | p1ngp0ng | nothing like puting some nice meditation music and just reflect on your day. |
| 05:50.30 | \3UHY | p1ngp0ng: Google. :) |
| 05:50.34 | p1ngp0ng | lol |
| 05:50.47 | \3UHY | at least.. for this decade |
| 05:50.48 | p1ngp0ng | i thought you where pulling all that stuff from your brain |
| 05:50.49 | widrone | accually not that big, alot of things falling out all the time... _alot_ |
| 05:50.56 | \3UHY | nah we basically were |
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| 05:51.12 | \3UHY | but it's a good reference |
| 05:51.30 | p1ngp0ng | well, im hoping that i will become good at pulling stuff like that from my brain aswell, if i decide to stick arround :) |
| 05:51.36 | p1ngp0ng | and i must say, i really like this distro |
| 05:51.41 | widrone | I outsourced all my contact information to a cellphone 10 years ago, why not some other parts to "the net". |
| 05:51.57 | \3UHY | p1ngp0ng: You'll be tempted to eventually upgrade to lenny/unstable .. |
| 05:52.03 | \3UHY | a lot of people do, and i don't discourage it |
| 05:52.10 | p1ngp0ng | why is that? |
| 05:52.13 | p1ngp0ng | isnt it older? |
| 05:52.14 | \3UHY | well |
| 05:52.17 | \3UHY | no |
| 05:52.20 | widrone | The stuff you use on a regular basis will stick no matter what, even how arcane you may think it is the first times. |
| 05:52.22 | \3UHY | lenny/unstable is newer |
| 05:52.31 | \3UHY | generally, it makes a lot of things 'easier..' |
| 05:52.35 | widrone | I remember my first year with screen, oh the agony. |
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| 05:52.54 | \3UHY | i don't discourage it, but i'll just say this: it makes for an 'interesting' ride if you restrict yourself to staying on stable :) |
| 05:52.55 | p1ngp0ng | well, thing is. i allways end up going back to windows |
| 05:53.13 | p1ngp0ng | coz i get stuck to much in linux. so windows is just the easy way out |
| 05:53.16 | \3UHY | are you dualbooting on shared hardware? |
| 05:53.23 | p1ngp0ng | and yes i know, im royal donkey ass |
| 05:53.27 | p1ngp0ng | yes |
| 05:53.27 | \3UHY | ? |
| 05:53.31 | \3UHY | shrugs |
| 05:53.36 | \3UHY | i started out dualbooting |
| 05:53.48 | \3UHY | then full partition to linux with a windows VM |
| 05:53.51 | p1ngp0ng | i've been in and out of lnux for 7 years |
| 05:53.56 | \3UHY | then sans windows altogether |
| 05:54.07 | p1ngp0ng | and i still havent learnd jack shit |
| 05:54.09 | \3UHY | just learn how to do what you can do in windows in linux |
| 05:54.11 | p1ngp0ng | well, allmost that is :P |
| 05:54.13 | \3UHY | :] |
| 05:54.31 | p1ngp0ng | yeh, thats my goal. but i find it hard |
| 05:54.40 | \3UHY | it pwnz because once you get to a certain point |
| 05:54.49 | \3UHY | you feel the EXCESS flexibility.. |
| 05:54.50 | p1ngp0ng | but i've started chewing omega 3,6,7 and 9 now. its good for the brain ^ |
| 05:55.00 | p1ngp0ng | im sure |
| 05:55.09 | \3UHY | in the sense that usually you can do newer things in gnu/linux that you can't in windows ^^ |
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| 05:55.30 | \3UHY | lol omega vitamins? |
| 05:55.34 | p1ngp0ng | yeh, that the apeeling thing with linux. you actually use your computer to do stuff |
| 05:55.36 | \3UHY | what does that have to do with shyt? |
| 05:55.37 | p1ngp0ng | yeh |
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| 05:55.45 | p1ngp0ng | shyt? |
| 05:56.27 | p1ngp0ng | i mean, omega vitamins is really good for your memory among other things. espeacially if you have adhd |
| 05:56.31 | p1ngp0ng | :P |
| 05:57.08 | p1ngp0ng | having adhd is like having a constant political debate in your head lol |
| 05:57.10 | \3UHY | how old are you? ;p |
| 05:57.17 | p1ngp0ng | 25 |
| 05:57.19 | p1ngp0ng | :P |
| 05:57.22 | \3UHY | shyt=shit .. |
| 05:57.24 | p1ngp0ng | i feel like im 17 tho |
| 05:57.27 | \3UHY | heh |
| 05:57.29 | \3UHY | well |
| 05:57.31 | \3UHY | when i'm 25 |
| 05:57.35 | \3UHY | i hope i feel like i'm 17 |
| 05:57.37 | \3UHY | :> |
| 05:57.40 | p1ngp0ng | hehehe |
| 05:57.48 | p1ngp0ng | how old are you then? |
| 05:57.51 | \3UHY | 20 |
| 05:57.53 | p1ngp0ng | ok |
| 05:58.04 | p1ngp0ng | well, good luck with that then :P |
| 05:58.10 | \3UHY | gl to your |
| 05:58.16 | \3UHY | ..stuff |
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| 05:58.27 | p1ngp0ng | and thanks for the help everyone who helped |
| 05:59.35 | p1ngp0ng | now, to install compiz... lol :P |
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| 06:03.00 | p1ngp0ng | oh and btw. beeing such a noob that i am. should i just install a binary firewall. or should i go for iptables? |
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| 06:04.20 | harpal | p1ngp0ng: try some firewall package. because in iptables you have to know every thing. |
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| 06:05.28 | b4install | After I install Debian (Lenny), how do I connect to my wi-fi network (WEP) ? |
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| 06:05.40 | _Progress_ | hi, what version is 40r4a? lenny? |
| 06:05.46 | b4install | ... I searched the net and didn't find any simple instructions |
| 06:06.06 | liable | _Progress_: etch |
| 06:06.32 | _Progress_ | hmm, is there a mirror of dvd images with lenny? |
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| 06:06.33 | liable | b4install: either with a tool like network-manager, or with cli tools like iwconfig |
| 06:06.47 | harpal | b4install: iwconfig will show you your wireless interface |
| 06:07.45 | \3UHY | why doesn't /etc/issue reflect revision updates? |
| 06:07.56 | \3UHY | just says '4.0' instead of ie '4.0r4' :D |
| 06:08.03 | lz | Hi, I use debian lenny and I can not use IdentifyFile option in my ~/.ssh/config, neither in /etc/ssh/ssh_config, ssh says it is a bad option, do anybody know what is the problem? |
| 06:08.13 | b4install | liable: it seems to me that connecting to a wi-fi WEP network if you know its name and password is an extremely common task. Are there simple step-by-step instructions for how to do it? All I found was a bunch of ambiguities and obscure references to non-existing documentation |
| 06:09.08 | b4install | Does lenny have a wi-fi GUI in its GNOME interface? |
| 06:09.10 | liable | b4install: iwconfig wlan0 essid your-essid key s:your-key (man iwconfig) |
| 06:09.48 | maligor | or you can install network manager |
| 06:09.54 | b4install | liable: will this work only once? Do I have to re-run it every time I want to reconnect? |
| 06:10.09 | maligor | which provides a wi-fi gui for gnome |
| 06:10.26 | p1ngp0ng | harpal: ok. thanks |
| 06:10.34 | liable | b4install: yes. theres some good docs in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown for making it done at boot |
| 06:10.36 | b4install | maligor: is it on Lenny-CD-1? |
| 06:10.55 | maligor | I don't know the package sets, it's named network-manager-gnome |
| 06:11.02 | maligor | and network-manager |
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| 06:12.03 | b4install | maligor: is this network-manager-gnome similar to XP's interface WiFi in usability? |
| 06:12.25 | maligor | b4install, better |
| 06:12.32 | b4install | maligor: or do I need to read obscure man pages and still GUESS what the author is trying to say |
| 06:12.43 | b4install | maligor: better how? |
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| 06:13.09 | maligor | better that the windows network configuration is from arse |
| 06:13.11 | b4install | ... I"m going to try to find out if network-manager-gnome is in CD-1 |
| 06:13.20 | maligor | especially the wifi one |
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| 06:13.57 | maligor | network manager isn't something you want to use for servers, but it's nice for desktops |
| 06:13.58 | gbear | not sure if this is a mysql or debian config error. but having problems getting zend studio to connect to my mysql server. running debian etch. here's the error message I'm getting: |
| 06:13.58 | gbear | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.58 | gbear | "Server connection failure during transaction. Due to underlying exception: 'SocketException: ConnectException: Connection refused: connect'." |
| 06:14.05 | harpal | maligor: is that network-admin?? |
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| 06:14.29 | maligor | harpal, no |
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| 06:14.46 | maligor | network manager gnome applet provides a small systray icon |
| 06:15.07 | maligor | it'll list all wifi and wires networks as selectable objects (with radio level for wifi) |
| 06:15.16 | maligor | dunno how it works if you have a huge amount of wifi networks around tho |
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| 06:15.50 | maligor | for roaming laptops it's quite nice |
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| 06:16.04 | harpal | maligor: ok. because I am comfiguring my network with network-admin. but its not wireless |
| 06:16.06 | \3UHY | note: netapplet > network-manager |
| 06:16.08 | bolt | likes whereami |
| 06:16.14 | bolt | console ftw |
| 06:16.21 | b4install | maligor: you made the claim that XP's GUI is worse, I asked you to be more specific and you said it's "from arse". http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/06/how-to-be-linux-user.html |
| 06:16.43 | p1ngp0ng | hehe i love chmod -R 755 when the folder is huge! :P |
| 06:16.45 | maligor | \3UHY, haven't tried that |
| 06:16.53 | \3UHY | it's great |
| 06:16.59 | \3UHY | way better than network-manager in my opinion |
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| 06:17.12 | maligor | b4install, well, I could list individual issues I've had with windows wifi interface |
| 06:17.28 | Lagbolt | anyone have trouble with usb hdcard readers with debian linux-image-2.6.26-1-686. 24 kern no trouble, pop in 26 kern and all sorts of chaos. |
| 06:17.33 | \3UHY | i personally think netapplet should officially replace GNOME's Network Monitor ;x |
| 06:17.43 | maligor | b4install, first of all, the driver manufacturers want to ship their own interfaces, which I've never understood, and some of them are totally horrible |
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| 06:18.34 | maligor | I had some weird issues with wifi-key insertation too, probably because I use maximum length keys |
| 06:18.46 | maligor | and it's overly complex |
| 06:19.25 | b4install | \3UHY: is netapplet included in Lenny-CD1's GNOME ? I haven't figured out how to check which packages are in CD1 yet before installing |
| 06:19.29 | maligor | hmm.. hard to remember issues why it's bad, it's been a while |
| 06:19.47 | \3UHY | b4install: not sure but my guess is probably yes |
| 06:20.27 | simonrvn | !cd contents |
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| 06:20.27 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 06:21.31 | \3UHY | there ya go |
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| 06:22.35 | b4install | kthx |
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| 06:29.30 | Gregory`1 | Hey guys, how do I remove a user? |
| 06:29.40 | Lagbolt | deluser |
| 06:29.53 | Lagbolt | funny how it isnt rmuser |
| 06:30.00 | Gregory`1 | Thanks :) |
| 06:30.09 | p1ngp0ng | userdel also works i think |
| 06:31.20 | p1ngp0ng | copying 31GB from a ntfs partition is scary business |
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| 06:33.32 | juan | HI: i need a system monitor for my video card |
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| 06:33.52 | juan | for see that memory is using |
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| 06:37.54 | cvn | hi how do i check the download speed for a particular background process? |
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| 06:40.10 | Joint | hey |
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| 06:41.11 | bartvk | cvn, can't you just type 'ls -lh' on the file |
| 06:41.39 | bartvk | if you do 'watch ls -lh filename' then it'll show at least the size ramping up |
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| 06:42.58 | bartvk | cvn, also, iptraf is a great tool |
| 06:43.06 | bartvk | but that works per interface |
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| 06:43.11 | yoghurt | has anyone here ever successfully backed up a wii game |
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| 06:43.40 | Joint | WARNING: Error inserting ieee80211_rtl (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/extra/ieee80211/ieee80211-rtl.ko): Invalid module format |
| 06:43.40 | Joint | FATAL: Error inserting ipw2200 (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 06:43.44 | enviouz | anybody else having problems with the update manager? it says there are updates available then when i open it it says system is already up to date |
| 06:43.50 | Joint | sorry for the paste how come im getting this error? |
| 06:44.09 | bartvk | Joint, mismatch between kernel version and module version? |
| 06:44.23 | erpo | Joint: Something is wrong with the module format. Did you build the kernel yourself? |
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| 06:44.36 | bartvk | Joint, what's the output of 'uname -r' |
| 06:44.43 | Joint | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 06:44.52 | Joint | erpo, negative i did not, |
| 06:45.14 | bartvk | Joint, in one terminal, do something like 'tail -f /var/log/messages' |
| 06:45.33 | Joint | bartvk, you want me to pastebin? |
| 06:45.35 | bartvk | Joint, then try 'modprobe ipw2200' |
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| 06:45.52 | bartvk | Joint, nah you'll see what goes wrong there is something is displayed |
| 06:46.09 | Joint | http://www.pastebin.ca/1181387 |
| 06:46.51 | Joint | that's what i've got bartvk |
| 06:47.27 | bartvk | Joint, Hmm don't see anything |
| 06:47.39 | Joint | hmmm |
| 06:47.44 | bartvk | Joint, and if you try 'modprobe firmware_class' first? |
| 06:47.56 | bartvk | then 'modprobe ipw2200'? |
| 06:48.08 | Joint | same error |
| 06:48.27 | Joint | invalid module format |
| 06:49.48 | enviouz | anybody else having problems with the update manager? it says there are updates available then when i open it it says system is already up to date.im runny lenny.it has been like this since i installed. |
| 06:49.53 | bartvk | Joint, paste the output of 'ls -l /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/' |
| 06:50.18 | Joint | total 0 |
| 06:50.31 | bartvk | OK that's it |
| 06:50.41 | bartvk | You need to have corresponding firmware for this card |
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| 06:50.54 | bartvk | I think the intel page on sourceforge has this |
| 06:51.12 | p1ngp0ng | where can i get flash player for amd64? |
| 06:51.20 | Joint | bartvk, what do i need? |
| 06:51.25 | p1ngp0ng | didnt see it on the official site |
| 06:51.27 | bartvk | Firmware |
| 06:51.51 | bartvk | That's a piece of machine code that the driver needs to load into the hardware its memory |
| 06:52.05 | Joint | bartvk, i need to update the firmware? |
| 06:52.30 | bartvk | No, it works like this: |
| 06:52.45 | bartvk | You get the firmware from the Intel page on SourceForge |
| 06:52.48 | enviouz | p1ngp0ng: check this link http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=17139 |
| 06:53.02 | bartvk | You extract the package in the directory /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 06:53.36 | bartvk | Then, when the driver loads, it'll find the hardware and the firmware |
| 06:53.59 | bartvk | It'll then send a special command to the hardware to be ready to receive the firmware |
| 06:54.08 | bartvk | then it'll send the firmware to the hardware. |
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| 06:54.34 | bartvk | It needs to be on disk, because the hardware doesn't have flash, but instead has RAM to contain its firmware |
| 06:54.48 | bartvk | So each time the hardware is initialized by the driver, the firmware is reloaded |
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| 06:55.09 | Joint | bartvk, can you give me the page? |
| 06:55.11 | Joint | so i can installed it? |
| 06:55.17 | bartvk | just google it |
| 06:55.28 | p1ngp0ng | thanks enviouz |
| 06:55.40 | Joint | when i google it. it says about ndiswrapper |
| 06:55.56 | enviouz | p1ngp0ng: your welcome. |
| 06:56.18 | bartvk | http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:56.27 | bartvk | http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php |
| 06:56.37 | bartvk | but I wouldn't know which firmware to pick |
| 06:56.45 | Joint | hmm |
| 06:57.13 | juan | Hi: I need monitoring my video card device, its possible in debian?? |
| 06:57.21 | p1ngp0ng | can i lock my screen if im copying from a ntfs partition to my /home partition? |
| 06:57.47 | maligor | p1ngp0ng, ofcourse |
| 06:58.05 | p1ngp0ng | just checking, as copying from ntfs is kinda dangerous |
| 06:58.09 | p1ngp0ng | thanks :) |
| 06:58.23 | maligor | haven't really had issues with ntfs-3g |
| 06:58.44 | erpo | No kidding. Szaka is awesome. |
| 06:58.45 | p1ngp0ng | my vista start scandisc after ive been copying from it |
| 06:59.07 | Joint | damn im so lost bartvk |
| 07:00.28 | bartvk | Joint, you might want to ask your questions in #ipw2100 |
| 07:00.36 | bartvk | Maybe there are some ppl there |
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| 07:03.29 | vy | Hi, I'm trying to do a DNAT. Isn't it possible to specify more than one IP address in the --to-destination field of DNAT command in iptables? (No, not an IP address range, just two distinct IP addresses.) |
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| 07:04.53 | joltcan | vy: Yes, they will be roundrobined |
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| 07:06.57 | vy | joltcan: That's not what I want. I want packages coming from a specific subnet get identically redirected to two distinct IP addresses. Is that something possible? |
| 07:07.48 | joltcan | vy: To early to think of a way of doing it at least. Why do you want to do that? |
| 07:09.34 | vy | I want to debug a network server daemon, but don't want to interrupt its working. |
| 07:10.32 | joneal | hi |
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| 07:16.09 | bartvk | vy, use strace |
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| 07:21.45 | dexterddit | i need some help with a internet connection sharing on debian .. |
| 07:21.52 | dexterddit | ca someone help ?? |
| 07:21.54 | vy | bartvk: Application is running on windows. |
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| 07:33.38 | joltcan | vy: add a more specific rule for your testing client and DNAT that one specifically? |
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| 07:34.00 | juan | Hi: I need monitoring my video card device, its possible in debian?? |
| 07:34.06 | galleta | hi, i just install debian on my mac using vmware |
| 07:34.18 | galleta | i didnt make a swap partition, is that a problem? |
| 07:34.44 | cedric3 | hi i try to add on a source list a deb back(port but i have an error :GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 07:34.53 | cedric3 | thanks if you can help me |
| 07:35.04 | vy | joltcan: Let me try. |
| 07:35.57 | joltcan | cedric3: gpg --recv-keys EA8E8B2116BA136C && gpg --export EA8E8B2116BA136C | apt-keys add - |
| 07:36.42 | joltcan | cedric3: but that was a bit wrong |
| 07:36.48 | joltcan | !gpg |
| 07:36.48 | dpkg | it has been said that gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard, a free public-key encryption program available , now in main . or http://www.gnupg.org, but apt-get install gnupg |
| 07:36.52 | joltcan | !key |
| 07:36.52 | dpkg | methinks key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
| 07:37.16 | cedric3 | joltcan : i must add the keyw is not automatiquely |
| 07:37.18 | joltcan | cedric3: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 07:37.30 | joltcan | cedric3: No, because backports are not official packages |
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| 07:38.20 | galleta | i guess i will need a swap file |
| 07:38.32 | cedric3 | joltcan : ok i understand know i try this command i have this result gpg: keyserver receive failed: bad URI |
| 07:38.48 | cedric3 | gpg: no keyserver known (use option --keyserver) |
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| 07:39.26 | joltcan | cedric3: You haven't used gpg, so it is not configured, edit ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf |
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| 07:43.12 | vy | joltcan: I used "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 192.168.2.200 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.70" command on 2.200 machine and started a nc listener on 1.70 for port 2310. But trying to telnet 2.200:2310 from 2.200 machine complains that connection is refused. Any ideas? |
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| 07:47.56 | Deepa^work | Doesn't amd64 etch have torrentflux? |
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| 07:50.17 | wols | !Info torrentflux etch |
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| 07:50.54 | Deepa^work | !Info torrentflux etch |
| 07:50.58 | wols | there is no torrentflux at all in etch |
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| 07:52.04 | Deepa^work | I have noticed |
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| 07:55.43 | cedric3 | hi i want to install nvidia-glx-new nvidia-kernel-common i modify the source.list to add non-free but when i try to install with apt-get i have an error package not found |
| 07:57.16 | wols | cedric3: lenny? |
| 07:57.45 | wols | cedric3: not sure but there is no nvidia-glx-new in debian. those are ubuntu package names |
| 07:57.47 | cedric3 | wols : sorry a etch |
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| 07:58.00 | wols | cedric3: add non-free and contrib |
| 07:58.12 | wols | !tell cedric3 about nvidia_oneliner |
| 07:58.12 | joltcan | vy: You have to sit on the other side of the 2.200 machine for that to work (provided that you don't block incoming traffic on 2.200 as well) |
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| 07:59.09 | cedric3 | wols : thanks now it install because i have a problem the server X not work when i see lspci i have01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 042b (rev a1) |
| 07:59.18 | cedric3 | i think there package can solve my problem |
| 07:59.31 | wols | cedric3: update-pciids |
| 07:59.53 | cedric3 | now i have 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 135M (rev a1) |
| 07:59.59 | wols | cedric3: first find out WHAT nvidia device you have to know what driver version you actually need. you might need a backport |
| 08:00.12 | wols | cedric3: what does this relate too in consumer terms? |
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| 08:00.17 | wols | ie. what nvidia gefore? |
| 08:00.20 | wols | *gefroce |
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| 08:00.59 | cedric3 | i see nVidia Corporation Quadro |
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| 08:01.44 | cedric3 | i have (EE) NV(0): No display devices found |
| 08:01.50 | cedric3 | when i try to start X |
| 08:01.58 | ^shark_ | does ie4linux have a .deb file |
| 08:01.59 | wols | that'S all nice but you should answer my question |
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| 08:02.40 | cedric3 | wols : i don't know nvidia gefore |
| 08:03.02 | cedric3 | your question is what nvidia gefore? no ? |
| 08:03.12 | wols | looks like a 8400gs |
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| 08:03.23 | wols | in which case you need to do a sid backport of the nvidia drivers |
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| 08:04.11 | wols | !nvidia_lenny |
| 08:04.11 | dpkg | [nvidia_lenny] first say !nvidia_lenny_1 and then !nvidia_lenny_2 |
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| 08:04.32 | cedric3 | wols : you think i have a 8400gs |
| 08:04.34 | wols | cedric3: /msg dpkg nvidia_lenny1 and /msg dpkg nvidia_lenny2 |
| 08:04.44 | wols | cedric3: the quadro equivalent of one yes |
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| 08:07.04 | cedric3 | ok thanks i search the driver name for 8400gs |
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| 08:09.01 | curious101 | hi, how do I set this command to write to the user's profile permanently: export HOST=$HOSTNAME |
| 08:10.43 | cedric3 | wols : now i have a black screen strange |
| 08:11.02 | cedric3 | when i startx i have a black screen and i can't switch |
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| 08:12.10 | deanet | ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 08:12.26 | teclo- | hello, when will there be an update for dsa-1630 *for lenny* ? |
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| 08:12.35 | cedric3 | nothnik |
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| 08:12.52 | bad_image | Hello, is there any new Debian-only security vulnerability ? |
| 08:13.05 | bad_image | for approx. 3 last weeks ? |
| 08:13.27 | Deepa^work | No |
| 08:13.28 | bad_image | ugh, I'm so fuckin' bored, guys |
| 08:13.39 | bad_image | thank you Deepa^work |
| 08:13.47 | Deepa^work | As usual, do not trust just one source |
| 08:15.00 | bad_image | sure, I'll rather apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. But I wonder if there is a better way, you know, I mean the automatic updates |
| 08:15.36 | bad_image | I found 1, postfix needs to be upgraded |
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| 08:16.28 | Sysctl___ | latest debian etch packages for php5 and/or apache2 has messed up some of our code... the function mime_content_type now returns nothing... ? |
| 08:16.41 | bad_image | It's Debian Sarge in here |
| 08:16.49 | Sysctl___ | where is etch |
| 08:17.34 | bad_image | and PHP5 was terribly buggy, so I had to compile it myself from Vanilla source codes. Debian package maintaners use obsoleted version and backport only the most serious security bug fixes. |
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| 08:18.01 | Sysctl___ | well, they've made more changes than that |
| 08:18.05 | Sysctl___ | it would seem |
| 08:18.12 | Maulkin | That's how packages in Debian stay stable |
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| 08:18.49 | bad_image | I had also big problem with ffmpeg (segfault, framedropping, etc.) and a lot more problems with MySQL (close_cursor wasn't working), etc. Debian is pile of shit, for everything I use I had to compile the vanilla sources |
| 08:19.14 | Deepa^work | bad_image: why are you using Sarge? |
| 08:19.23 | bad_image | Deepa^work, My boss wants it |
| 08:19.27 | Maulkin | Sysctl___: mime_content_type seems to be working fine here |
| 08:19.34 | deanet | use etch |
| 08:19.39 | Deepa^work | ^ |
| 08:19.41 | bad_image | Otherwise I would go ahead and install FreeBSD or OpenBSD instead |
| 08:19.49 | deanet | wew |
| 08:19.53 | Deepa^work | If it's Debian that's needed go for etch |
| 08:20.46 | bad_image | Deepa^work, I think the same as you, but until Sarge is maintaned, it must stay =(. |
| 08:21.21 | Deepa^work | maintained? |
| 08:21.38 | bad_image | Deepa^work, yes, there are still new package upgrades |
| 08:21.47 | Deepa^work | But why not just upgrade to etch? |
| 08:22.26 | bad_image | Deepa^work, My boss don't want to upgrade it, because it works (after I spend many hours recompiling everything). |
| 08:22.34 | bad_image | brb 10 minutes |
| 08:22.35 | Vinai | I'm in the process of upgrading an ols sarge machine to etch. all smooth untill now I get an error "libphp5.so does not have a corresponding .info file.". It occures whily apt ist trying to remove libapache-mod-python2.3. How do I get around this? |
| 08:22.48 | Deepa^work | You just claimed it doesn't work, upgrading won't break everything you know |
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| 08:23.03 | wols | cedric3: dpkg -l | grep nvidia |
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| 08:23.16 | Vinai | Here is the error msg: http://phpfi.com/346163 |
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| 08:24.46 | wols | bad_image: stop lying. there is no php5 for sarge in debian |
| 08:24.55 | wols | so those packages can't be buggy |
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| 08:26.02 | curious101 | hi, how do I set this command to write to the user's profile permanently: export HOST=$HOSTNAME |
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| 08:27.15 | Vinai | curious101: I would try echo 'export HOST=$HOSTNAME' >> ~/.bash_profile |
| 08:27.40 | cedric3 | wols : nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-settings nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-486 |
| 08:27.44 | cedric3 | i have there packages |
| 08:28.49 | cedric3 | wols : now when i start stratx i have : (EE) NV(0): No display devices found no screens found |
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| 08:30.04 | SpeedyG | Hi, does /etc/issue have any function at all besides showing which version of debian you're running?? |
| 08:30.09 | michal_ | hi. does anyone know if it is possible to start initx with an init.d script as a normal using using sudo? sudo -u michal xinit gives me X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. even thought that user can run xinit |
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| 08:31.39 | curious101 | Vinai: thank you. I will try that one. I still have one more question. Please stand by. |
| 08:32.12 | earthian | Hello, I have 17 * * * * root /home/geev8/mazoezi/synch.sh in crontab but it does not get executed.. what am I missing here? |
| 08:33.21 | Vinai | can force a package status to removed without running the remove scripts? |
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| 08:34.00 | Deepa^work | Vinai: what's the point of removing something if you skip the remove script :p? |
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| 08:34.25 | curious101 | earthian: I'm not sure if this link can help, but please give it a try: http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/basiccron.shtml |
| 08:34.47 | Vinai | Deepa^work: The pre-removal script returnes error exit status, and I do not know how to get rid of that |
| 08:35.05 | Vinai | Deepa^work: http://phpfi.com/346163 |
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| 08:36.49 | michal_ | i can't seem to get an answer to my question anywhere :/ |
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| 08:37.17 | idimmu | what is your question? |
| 08:37.22 | Maulkin | SpeedyG: read 'man issue' |
| 08:37.55 | Deepa^work | idimmu: read up, it's below SpeedyGs |
| 08:38.24 | idimmu | oic |
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| 08:38.53 | Maulkin | xinit is designed for situations when you can't use init.d |
| 08:38.59 | michal_ | michal_: hi. does anyone know if it is possible to start initx with an init.d script as a normal using using sudo? sudo -u michal xinit gives me X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. even thought that user can run xinit |
| 08:39.04 | Maulkin | I'm not really sure what you're trying to do |
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| 08:39.20 | michal_ | basically it's, can i start X as a normal user if i'm root |
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| 08:44.11 | ktwilight_ | is there an svn where i can diff package changes? |
| 08:44.18 | ktwilight_ | am guessin' it's svn.debian.org? |
| 08:44.36 | earthian | thank you curious101 |
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| 08:44.54 | ktwilight_ | doh! the package isn't there at svn.debian.org |
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| 08:45.23 | curious101 | earthian: you're welcome |
| 08:45.58 | curious101 | Vinai: thank you for the hint. i think it worked. |
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| 08:47.30 | zorrolero | michal_: su -c startx <$username> |
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| 08:50.52 | wols | cedric3: full output of the command, not excepts |
| 08:50.58 | wols | *excerpts |
| 08:51.06 | wols | cedric3: and there are more errors than that |
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| 08:51.42 | bad_image | wols, I'm not lying, there are php5 packages |
| 08:51.51 | wols | bad_image: not in sarge. |
| 08:52.06 | wols | bad_image: third party repos are not debian adn don't get security updates from debian |
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| 08:52.51 | Sysctl___ | hey folks, latest apache package on debian as a weird bug, all files i upload seem to only upload as octet-stream... it loses its mime type for some reason! |
| 08:54.39 | bad_image | wols, ok, maybe it's using the packages from etch, then |
| 08:54.50 | bad_image | wols, I presume they're compatible |
| 08:55.11 | wols | then you mix etch and sarge and no they are not compatible. mixing releases is a BAD thing to do |
| 08:55.20 | wols | bad_image: upgrade to etch |
| 08:56.08 | bad_image | wols, I already told you I can't upgrade to etch until Sarge is maintaned. Stop releasing security fixes for Sarge, please. |
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| 08:56.39 | wols | there are no security fixes for sarge anymore |
| 08:56.41 | wols | !sarge |
| 08:56.42 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 03/31/2008. Sarge users should upgrade to etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. See also <oldstable>. |
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| 08:57.07 | wols | see this? march 31st: no more fixes. and there never ever were any for php5 (fixes) since there is no php5 in sarge |
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| 08:57.20 | et | bad_image: "until" means somthing does not happen now, but will in the future |
| 08:57.26 | et | bad_image: you mean "as long as" |
| 08:57.43 | Caelum | how do I tell icedove to compose in plain text instead of html by default? |
| 08:57.51 | wols | Caelum: ther eis a setting |
| 08:58.18 | bad_image | wow, I didn't know I'm using "until" incorrectly. Thank you et |
| 08:58.51 | Deepa^work | So why aren't you upgrading now bad_image :p? |
| 08:58.57 | wols | bad_image: you are using debian incorrectly and making false statements |
| 08:59.10 | bad_image | Deepa^work, I can't upgrade to etch until Sarge is not maintaned. |
| 08:59.13 | bad_image | =) |
| 08:59.16 | Deepa^work | Sarge isn't maintained anylonger |
| 08:59.27 | wols | bad_image: it hasn't been maintained for almost 5 months now |
| 08:59.30 | et | and hasn't been for months |
| 08:59.34 | bad_image | wols, I'm not using any software incorrectly |
| 08:59.53 | wols | bad_image: considering you use php5 and complain about its vulnerabilities, it's fair to say you do |
| 08:59.55 | bad_image | wols, You're wrong, since security bug-fixes = maintaining |
| 09:00.04 | Deepa^work | You got php5 on sarge, you're doing it wrong |
| 09:00.08 | Deepa^work | !sarge |
| 09:00.09 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 03/31/2008. Sarge users should upgrade to etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. See also <oldstable>. |
| 09:00.10 | Deepa^work | bad_image: read that |
| 09:00.12 | Deepa^work | again |
| 09:00.17 | wols | bad_image: sarge is not in ANY way changed anymore. there is NO support whatsoever for it from debian anymore |
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| 09:00.30 | Deepa^work | Especially the part that says "Sarge security support ended" |
| 09:00.36 | wols | it's done, dead and EOL. |
| 09:00.37 | bad_image | Deepa^work, I had to compile it from Vanilla source codes, I'm doing it right :-p |
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| 09:00.43 | Caelum | wols: can't find it... |
| 09:00.46 | Deepa^work | You're doing it wrong, you got apt |
| 09:00.55 | wols | bad_image: that's unsupported. if you do that, don't complain about security holes |
| 09:01.35 | wols | cause if you compile your own it's your own responsibility to provide security support, NOT the responsibility of debian |
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| 09:01.37 | Caelum | wols: oh, it's in account prefs, found it thank you! |
| 09:01.50 | wols | Caelum: didn't know where but I kewn there was a setting :) |
| 09:01.55 | wols | good thing you found it on your own |
| 09:02.00 | bad_image | Deepa^work, I'm doing it right, because Vanilla sources are working much better, than those bitched ones, by Debian package maintainers. |
| 09:02.11 | Deepa^work | bad_image: there's no php5 |
| 09:02.28 | wols | bad_image: there are NO debian php5 sources for sarge anywhere. NEVER ever was |
| 09:02.37 | Somni | I think bad_image is trolling |
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| 09:02.53 | et | of course he is |
| 09:02.59 | bad_image | The recent Apache issue someone mentioned here, proves what I'm telling. And PHP5 sources are not distribution specific, I know it better than you do, wols, because I'm a programmer. |
| 09:03.09 | Caelum | wols: now I won't suffer the embarassment of sending html email to technical lists :) |
| 09:03.37 | bad_image | Please take a look at http://php.net for details, or for the Vanilla source codes. |
| 09:03.50 | Deepa^work | bad_image: http://packages.debian.org/search?lang=en&suite=sarge&searchon=names&keywords=php5 no PHP5 in sarge |
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| 09:04.04 | phrozen77 | Deepa^work, shh - don't feed it |
| 09:04.28 | bad_image | Deepa^work, You don't understand me and you're obviously still confused. Can you imagine what ./configure and make are for? |
| 09:04.45 | Deepa^work | phrozen77: but I got nothing to do at work :( |
| 09:05.10 | Deepa^work | bad_image: I know exactl what make does. and it has nothing to do with the packages |
| 09:05.24 | et | Deepa^work: so you make everyone in here suffer? |
| 09:05.25 | wols | bad_image: you are very confused how a distro works and very much mistaken too |
| 09:05.43 | bad_image | Deepa^work, why do you keep telling me something about packages, then? |
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| 09:06.04 | wols | bad_image: I won't tell you waht you are |
| 09:06.05 | bad_image | wols, I'm not, I know much better than you how GNU/Linux distribution does work. |
| 09:06.10 | bad_image | wols, are you retarded? |
| 09:06.11 | Deepa^work | You're thinking about wols |
| 09:06.21 | wols | bad_image: cause this is debian, this distro uses packages |
| 09:06.33 | wols | and NO distro will support self compiled packages. cause they cannot |
| 09:06.57 | wols | bad_image: and please stop the insults |
| 09:07.10 | bad_image | wols, If package is not available for some reason, or is buggy and doesn't work as expected, you have to compile it yourself. |
| 09:07.23 | et | he's trolling. you're feeding. stop it please. or at least prefix the messages with his nick so my client can filter them out |
| 09:07.36 | wols | et: I guess |
| 09:07.38 | Deepa^work | et: There's /ignore if you can't handle the pressure |
| 09:07.40 | wols | morons everywhere |
| 09:07.48 | et | Deepa^work: i do ignore him |
| 09:07.58 | Deepa^work | figured |
| 09:08.00 | rto | http://www.xkcd.com/386/ |
| 09:08.23 | wols | rto: don't post random spam please |
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| 09:08.41 | mquin | bad_image: in that case it's much better practice to use the dpkg tools to produce a local package |
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| 09:10.11 | rto | wols: I try not to, but sometimes the urge is too high. |
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| 09:10.24 | phrozen77 | random spam?! |
| 09:10.25 | bad_image | mquin, I used more high-level wrapper (with cross-distribution compatibility) and it certainly executed dpkg, so I have a local package. It was very convenient to uninstall php 5.2.5 (security vulnerabilites) and create a local package for php 5.2.6. Can you guess which tool I used? |
| 09:10.27 | phrozen77 | THATS XKCD |
| 09:10.55 | mquin | shrugs |
| 09:11.00 | idimmu | bad_image: what sec vulnerabilities? do i need to patch? :o |
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| 09:11.12 | wols | phrozen77: in #debian it is random spam cause OT |
| 09:11.17 | wols | idimmu: don't |
| 09:11.28 | wols | idimmu: use debian packages, use a supported and maintained debian distro |
| 09:11.45 | idimmu | yeah ofc but i want to read about the problem |
| 09:11.50 | idimmu | if its documented somewhere ? |
| 09:12.05 | bad_image | idimmu, If you're really using 5.2.5, you should patch. http://www.juniper.net/security/auto/vulnerabilities/vuln29009.html |
| 09:12.08 | wols | idimmu: google stephan esser maybe or look at the php changelogs |
| 09:12.22 | mquin | bad_image: so what's your tool? |
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| 09:12.36 | idimmu | bad_image: im checking our versions now! |
| 09:12.53 | bad_image | mquin, It's "checkinstall" -> fast, reliable, simple. http://www.asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/download.php |
| 09:12.59 | idimmu | 5.2.4 ! |
| 09:14.10 | wols | idimmu: that's not etch php5 either |
| 09:14.19 | idimmu | nope! |
| 09:14.23 | idimmu | its hardy |
| 09:14.33 | mquin | bad_image: neat - I'll check that out sometime |
| 09:14.41 | wols | idimmu: this is ubuntu then and you are in the wrong channel |
| 09:14.50 | wols | ask ubuntu about fixes |
| 09:14.54 | bad_image | mquin, Okay. It can create RPM, deb and slackware packages. |
| 09:15.00 | yang | bad_image: wow this coder has a long name |
| 09:15.07 | idimmu | wols im not asking about fixes im asking about vulnerabilities |
| 09:15.36 | wols | idimmu: all distros backport fixes even if you think the version isn't changed |
| 09:15.42 | ShredZ | My xfce desktop doesn't update to reflect file changes happening to it, like remove or add a file. Anyone know how to fix this ? |
| 09:15.46 | bad_image | yang, uh huh, which coder? |
| 09:15.54 | yang | http://www.asic-linux.com.mx/~izto |
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| 09:16.18 | wols | idimmu: note that those vulnerabilities bad_image highlights are still "under review" by CVE |
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| 09:16.24 | werwolf | hi, could you recomand me some (logic) games for dabian, please? |
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| 09:16.43 | Pengue | please forgive this rather random question, but if I may? My Lenny box it displaying strange things. You have any idea on the package names that do the auto config stuff for dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? X is starting out of sync and the reconfig isnt giving me the option to change. Being Debian, the xorg.conf is pretty useless |
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| 09:16.46 | yang | werwolf: xcalc |
| 09:16.56 | xoz | werwolf: apt-cache search logic game |
| 09:16.56 | Pengue | werwolf: i like katomic |
| 09:17.05 | idimmu | oh sweet, we do have a load of woody servers running php 4.3.10 |
| 09:17.11 | idimmu | i can stay in the conversation! |
| 09:17.33 | werwolf | thank you |
| 09:17.35 | bad_image | wols, Take a look at the original PHP5 changelog to read about these vulnerabilities -> http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php They're real |
| 09:17.45 | Batchy | werwolf : gcc is a cool game. it's hard to understand, but it's great fun. (just kidding) |
| 09:17.53 | idimmu | bad_image: you're convincing the wrong person, convince the php maintainer :) |
| 09:18.17 | werwolf | Batchy: I am new to linux, don't do this "kidding" |
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| 09:18.49 | bad_image | idimmu, I believe he backported them, but didn't backport the bug fixes, that's why for example PDO-Mysql doesn't fully work and writes errors such as "Unimplemented !" |
| 09:19.02 | idimmu | heh |
| 09:19.17 | wols | idimmu: woody servers seriously need to be upgraded fyi |
| 09:19.32 | idimmu | thats why we also have hardy servers :) |
| 09:19.45 | werwolf | well "logic" on normal people level please, I am not a chemistry genius |
| 09:20.00 | idimmu | the people here before me left this place in a fucking sorry state |
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| 09:22.29 | Deepa^work | I have a log file with varied content, what should I use to get only lines like these? |
| 09:22.32 | Deepa^work | [16:54] <Dontirri> STAM1NA!!!! that rocks |
| 09:22.35 | Deepa^work | [16:55] <iiga> yah |
| 09:22.45 | Deepa^work | They're in the format [hh:mm] <nick> text |
| 09:22.47 | SUSaiyan | hello, is there any way i can get apt to restore the default smb.conf? |
| 09:23.05 | werwolf | xoz: where have I to type "apt-cahe"? |
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| 09:23.23 | Deepa^work | werwolf: in your terminal |
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| 09:24.23 | wols | Pengue: you check your xorg.log. and there is no auto config anymore the way you mean it |
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| 09:24.46 | anddam | hello |
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| 09:25.27 | werwolf | :O |
| 09:25.27 | Pengue | wols: thanks. How do I go about setting x? Causing me real issues it this. Newb to Debian which isnt helping |
| 09:25.32 | anddam | why is libgd2 present twice in repository, with and without xpm support ? |
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| 09:25.56 | wols | Pengue: I told you where to look to find the problem first |
| 09:26.09 | wols | Pengue: you only know what and how to change if you identified the problem |
| 09:26.20 | anddam | Pengue: where does your nick come from? |
| 09:26.27 | wols | anddam: one in main the other elsewhere? |
| 09:26.33 | SUSaiyan | does anyone know how to restore the default smb.conf? |
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| 09:26.49 | SUSaiyan | or any config file for that matter |
| 09:27.04 | Pengue | wols: nick? random choice. why?? |
| 09:27.16 | wols | I did not ask for your nick |
| 09:27.17 | cedric3 | wols : thanks now it work :) |
| 09:27.22 | wols | SUSaiyan: we do not support ubuntu |
| 09:27.23 | anddam | wols: how can I check that? |
| 09:27.31 | anddam | wols: I'm reading http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libgd2-xpm |
| 09:27.34 | wols | anddam: apt-cache |
| 09:27.45 | SUSaiyan | they both use aptitude dont they? |
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| 09:29.23 | ZOP | well... |
| 09:29.36 | ZOP | upgrading from Woody to Etch isn't exactly *smooth* lol |
| 09:29.41 | ZOP | but it's definitely doable. |
| 09:29.46 | ZOP | and with that i sleep. |
| 09:30.25 | wols | you can only upgrade from one debian version to the next :) |
| 09:30.33 | wols | SUSaiyan: but debian is not ubuntu |
| 09:30.35 | wols | !ubuntu |
| 09:30.35 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 09:31.08 | SUSaiyan | i know, but i figured a apt command that works on debian would probably work on ubuntu |
| 09:31.14 | anddam | wols: they are both main |
| 09:31.36 | wols | anddam: then I dunno |
| 09:31.43 | wols | SUSaiyan: please go back to #ubuntu |
| 09:32.10 | anddam | wols: I wonder what's sho big with xpm, maybe some dependency |
| 09:32.21 | anddam | wols: the installed size differs by only 8kb |
| 09:32.40 | SUSaiyan | so you dont know an apt command that restores the default config then? |
| 09:32.46 | anddam | SUSaiyan: or install debian |
| 09:32.56 | wols | yes xpm is a X image libary. xpm = X pixmap |
| 09:33.03 | wols | SUSaiyan: we don't |
| 09:33.28 | anddam | default config what of? |
| 09:33.37 | SUSaiyan | any package |
| 09:33.41 | wols | anddam: help him in #ubuntu if you want. not here |
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| 09:35.44 | anddam | wols: I am not helping at all |
| 09:36.21 | wols | anddam: you are encouraging him. not good |
| 09:36.42 | anddam | not really, I just asked for my curiosity, I actually had read only his last 3 lines |
| 09:36.59 | anddam | btw is there a dpkg command to log a person's last lines? |
| 09:37.08 | petemc | wols: stop making such a big deal about things |
| 09:37.13 | wols | anddam: /lastlog |
| 09:37.22 | wols | petemc: bai |
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| 09:57.12 | SpeedyG | does anyone here know if it's possible in KDE to keep certain areas on the desktop free of windows? |
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| 10:06.49 | berzerka | i am looking for a convenient way to see the sizes of all hard disks attached to my system. i always open fdisk and look at the block count. df shows me only partitions, not block device files. what do you guys use if you quickly want to check which size disk /dev/sdd was again? |
| 10:07.10 | Somni | df |
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| 10:08.58 | Somni | oh sorry, missed your mentioning the problem with df |
| 10:09.00 | amphi | berzerka: hdparm -I /dev/blah should tell you |
| 10:10.28 | SpeedyG | !nvidia_lenny_1 |
| 10:10.28 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia_lenny_1 is 1) add "deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list, replacing de with your country code 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 10:10.51 | berzerka | amphi: great, thanks! also lots of other useful info there. |
| 10:10.52 | SpeedyG | when doing the apt-get -b source part, would it be ok to do that in /tmp? or will that cause problems ? |
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| 10:23.45 | harpal | Hey does any one have used splashy? I have installed it but I cant get progressbar working and my system is not booting |
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| 10:40.20 | b_jonas | hi, |
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| 10:47.21 | pflanze | Hm, anyone else seeing galeon not starting up anymore after upgrading to current testing? |
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| 10:47.46 | pflanze | It just hangs early on, |
| 10:47.48 | pflanze | poll([{fd=6, events=POLLIN}, {fd=11, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=12, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=13, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=15, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=14, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}], 6, -1 |
| 10:48.01 | pflanze | deadlocked as it seems. |
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| 10:49.35 | pflanze | funnily enough, galeon was not even amongst the packages which have been upgraded. Grr, time for a reboot maybe. |
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| 10:54.21 | pflanze | rebooting |
| 10:55.46 | anddam | bye |
| 10:58.11 | yang | lenny will refuse to work with 2.6.9 kernel ? |
| 10:58.33 | wols | yang: possibly. but 2.6 _should_ be ok |
| 10:58.49 | wols | the libc6 of lenny needs a certain kernel. 2.4 ones are right out |
| 10:59.01 | yang | hmmm, I am scared to upgrade the virtual server |
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| 11:00.38 | yang | I ll give it a try, i have power restore option (just in case) |
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| 11:03.45 | yang | wols: what about lenny, which is frozen and prevents new packages to get in it...is there a new name to continue using the "testing" version of the next distro? |
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| 11:04.36 | beardy | !testing |
| 11:04.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages, or ask me about <moving target> |
| 11:05.04 | beardy | Is that so.. |
| 11:05.21 | yang | beardy: yes but lenny is in "frozen" state now |
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| 11:05.37 | beardy | yang: I know. I thought that would say what the new codename is. |
| 11:05.58 | wols | yang: not yet announced. there will be a new name in time of course |
| 11:06.02 | yang | ok |
| 11:06.04 | BartVB | Anyone here experience with one time passwords? Any idea of the costs involved? |
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| 11:07.41 | Maliuta | BartVB: well since you have to pay the password trolls for each password it's quite exxy |
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| 11:08.04 | pflanze | Hm I need help. Now it's not just galeon which doesn't work anymore, but most of Gnome's stuff. |
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| 11:08.43 | BartVB | Maliuta, hmm, that sounds like a sort of extortion. My enthousiasm is dwindling already :) Any idea of alternatives? |
| 11:08.55 | wols | !tell pflanze about errors |
| 11:09.05 | wols | BartVB: how would you generate your OTP? |
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| 11:09.25 | pflanze | wols: there are no error messages. See above for what happens, i.e. the apps just hang during startup |
| 11:09.36 | beardy | Write them on papers and put them in a hat. |
| 11:09.42 | BartVB | wols; no idea :) I'm very new to OTP :\ |
| 11:10.25 | ineiros | BartVB: For what purpose are you considering one-time passwords? |
| 11:10.28 | pflanze | chris@novo:~$ strace gnome-appearance-properties ---> runs (without printing anything except for the strace) until: futex(0x7f3b3baa29e0, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 2, NULL |
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| 11:10.40 | beardy | BartVB: Do you want them to create accounts, or what? |
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| 11:11.45 | BartVB | ineiros, eehm. Currently securing a website :) Passwords prove to be ineffective. Curious what the costs of OTPs are but it seems to be in the thousands for a decent implementation. I guess enforcing strong passwords is more cost effective :) |
| 11:12.31 | wols | BartVB: not thousands |
| 11:12.41 | wols | only for purely commercial implementations |
| 11:12.44 | beardy | We don't know the currency. |
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| 11:13.22 | beardy | BartVB: Do you mean somekind of scratchlottery passwords? |
| 11:13.37 | BartVB | Oh wait. THe hardware server is something like $5000. I guess there should be a cheapers software route |
| 11:13.44 | ineiros | BartVB: Securing in what sense? Users authenticate with passwords and you would like them to use one-time passwords instead? How many users are we talking about? And why are passwords ineffective for you? |
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| 11:14.43 | BartVB | Approx 100 accounts, I can't get them to use strong passwords. Too many people using their date of birth, name of dog, etc. |
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| 11:15.22 | BartVB | Guessed passwords are the biggest security problem by far |
| 11:15.39 | BartVB | adding one time passwords would solve that, a hacker would need access to the hardware to gain access |
| 11:15.47 | Cueball|Laptop | Why can't u get them 2 use strong passwords? |
| 11:16.14 | beardy | Cracker please. |
| 11:16.17 | mquin | password security is a juggling act |
| 11:16.41 | mquin | strong password enforcement tends to increase the incidence of passwords on yelow notes |
| 11:16.44 | beardy | BartVB: Spend a little of the money on education instead? |
| 11:16.46 | BartVB | I guess I could enforce strong passwords and then hope that the users manage to remember them :) |
| 11:16.54 | BartVB | I tried education :) |
| 11:17.17 | beardy | BartVB: Ok.. together with denying access unless a strogn password is set? |
| 11:17.34 | Cueball|Laptop | There's just no teaching some ppl |
| 11:17.35 | beardy | Kidnapping the dogs who bears the name and so on. |
| 11:17.45 | BartVB | shooting them on the spot :D |
| 11:18.16 | beardy | Be nice to them.. but make the users do what you need them to do. |
| 11:18.22 | Cueball|Laptop | Block use for 2 weeks if they 4get their passwords. LoL |
| 11:18.26 | BartVB | BTW users suck at choosing passwords. Suck hard I mean. Checked an old DB with plain MD5 passwords and hundreds of users have the same passwords. Probably things like 12345, 'password', etc :\ |
| 11:18.40 | beardy | Yeah.. |
| 11:18.52 | BartVB | Cueball|Laptop, that's a guaranteed recipy for yellow notes with passwords :P |
| 11:18.58 | wols | BartVB: salts |
| 11:19.05 | beardy | BartVB: But do these 100 users warrant such an investment, with some codedongle/box? |
| 11:19.24 | BartVB | wols, that's in the current DB but that doesn't help with password guessing :) |
| 11:19.36 | BartVB | beardy, depends on the investment |
| 11:19.38 | ineiros | BartVB: Forcing totally random passwords might be a good idea, then. If you're concerned about hackers, people writing down their passwords is a lesser evil. |
| 11:19.42 | BartVB | if it's $50/user then yes |
| 11:19.54 | ineiros | (Even Bruce Schneier stores his passwords in his wallet) |
| 11:20.20 | Cueball|Laptop | I don't store any passwords |
| 11:20.22 | BartVB | ineiros, thinking about enforcing the use of mixed case + special chars (!@#$%, etc) |
| 11:20.31 | beardy | BartVB: I agree with ineiros there. Try generated strong ones. |
| 11:20.54 | Cueball|Laptop | Except in KDE Wallet but only social networking sites, forums, etc |
| 11:21.10 | beardy | BartVB: Well, or that. But they are so stupid that you will visit 50% of them and help them. |
| 11:21.31 | BartVB | people suck at remembering strong passwords that are randomly generated |
| 11:21.56 | Cueball|Laptop | Yeah. |
| 11:22.03 | beardy | They can have it in their wallet, as said. Eventually they will learn it. Better than "password", plus on a note. |
| 11:23.03 | idimmu | just dont get robbed |
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| 11:29.27 | Vinai | Since the upgrade to etch I'm seeing these warnings from aptitude: WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! .. apt-key list says all keys are current. where can I look? |
| 11:29.53 | abrotman | does it tell you which key? |
| 11:30.03 | Vinai | abrotman: nope |
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| 11:30.22 | Vinai | as far as I can see it doesn't even try to verify |
| 11:30.59 | Vinai | abrotman: maybe my pecessor switched off the sig verification? where would that be? /etc/dpkg? |
| 11:33.27 | abrotman | can you paste the full error in a pastebin? |
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| 11:34.33 | Vinai | abchirk: one sec |
| 11:34.38 | Vinai | abrotman: one sec |
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| 11:35.41 | Vinai | abrotman: http://phpfi.com/346228 |
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| 11:36.06 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 11:36.06 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for abchirk |
| 11:36.24 | abchirk | :) |
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| 11:37.08 | abrotman | Vinai: is that an official mirror ? |
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| 11:38.00 | ingenious | hi there |
| 11:38.12 | abrotman | Vinai: aptitude reinstall debian-archive-keyring |
| 11:38.14 | ingenious | is there something special I should have in order to mount usb devices ? |
| 11:38.27 | saimonn | hi here |
| 11:38.27 | ingenious | I plug my external hdd in the usb port and I get _nothing_ |
| 11:38.43 | ingenious | dmesg says nothing, there's nothing listed in fdisk -l, nothing |
| 11:38.50 | abrotman | did you compile your own kernel? |
| 11:38.58 | ingenious | and the same hdd works just fine on my gentoo machine |
| 11:39.01 | ingenious | abrotman: nope |
| 11:39.02 | Vinai | abrotman: thx, I'l try that |
| 11:39.13 | abrotman | Vinai: that isn't an official mirror is it? |
| 11:39.37 | abrotman | ingenious: etch? and you have udev installed? |
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| 11:39.43 | Vinai | abrotman: no, it's frommy provider. just changed the sources.list to a official mirror |
| 11:39.47 | ingenious | true, true |
| 11:39.59 | abrotman | Vinai: and you did the aptitude update? |
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| 11:40.32 | Vinai | abrotman: yes |
| 11:40.35 | abrotman | ingenious: and if you tail -f /var/log/dmesg .. and unplug/replug .. nada ? |
| 11:40.44 | abrotman | Vinai: make any difference? |
| 11:40.50 | ingenious | absolutely nada |
| 11:40.55 | ingenious | that's why I'm here asking |
| 11:41.10 | ingenious | just one thing, it's testing and not etch |
| 11:41.10 | Vinai | abrotman: the reinstall fails with Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed. ^^ |
| 11:41.12 | abrotman | ingenious: does it show with lsusb ? |
| 11:41.16 | ingenious | but I doubt that's the prob |
| 11:41.21 | abrotman | Vinai: install it anyways |
| 11:41.24 | Vinai | abrotman: no difference with the official mirror, either |
| 11:41.34 | ingenious | abrotman: nope |
| 11:41.36 | Vinai | abrotman: how? |
| 11:42.00 | abrotman | Vinai: i thought it asked you to allow anyways? |
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| 11:42.08 | abrotman | ingenious: that's not good |
| 11:42.18 | abrotman | ingenious: uname -a .. it's a .25 ? |
| 11:42.24 | ingenious | .24 |
| 11:42.30 | Vinai | abrotman: not anymore... :[ |
| 11:42.37 | Vinai | abrotman: now it just fails |
| 11:42.47 | ingenious | 2.6.24-1-486 #1 |
| 11:42.54 | abrotman | ingenious: what is your CPU ? |
| 11:43.17 | abrotman | Vinai: cd /var/cache/apt/archives/ and dpkg -i debian-archive-keyring<tab><tab> |
| 11:44.14 | Vinai | abrotman: same error: dpkg: error processing debian-archive-keyring_2007.07.31~etch1_all.deb \n Verification on package debian-archive-keyring_2007.07.31~etch1_all.deb failed |
| 11:44.25 | ingenious | abrotman: model name : AMD Sempron(tm) Processor LE-1100 |
| 11:44.34 | ingenious | 1 GHz |
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| 11:45.14 | abrotman | Vinai: add a --force-bad-verify |
| 11:45.28 | abrotman | ingenious: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 11:45.56 | ingenious | you sure it will do the trick ? |
| 11:46.04 | ingenious | I'm quite happy with this kernel as it is |
| 11:46.06 | abrotman | ingenious: i doubt it will fix it .. but it will get you up to the current kernel |
| 11:46.16 | Vinai | abrotman: it installs, but didn't fix the error if I do not use the --force-bad-verify ... |
| 11:46.17 | abrotman | which after lenny is released, will get security updates |
| 11:46.18 | ingenious | it's actually not my own pc, it's my girlfriends' |
| 11:46.33 | ingenious | oh well |
| 11:46.38 | ingenious | i'll try it out |
| 11:46.44 | abrotman | ingenious: if the device isn't showing with lsusb .. sounds like it might be a hardware issue? |
| 11:46.53 | ingenious | i doubt it |
| 11:46.55 | abrotman | ingenious: does it work on another OS on the same box? |
| 11:47.00 | ingenious | tryed several different usb ports |
| 11:47.02 | abrotman | or another USB port? |
| 11:47.03 | ingenious | and the led goes on |
| 11:47.03 | abrotman | oay |
| 11:47.04 | abrotman | okay |
| 11:47.28 | ingenious | and there is no other os on the same box |
| 11:47.29 | ingenious | pity |
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| 11:49.05 | hedgehoginfog | how do i install a package for etch in lenny? |
| 11:49.09 | abrotman | ingenious: if you look in dmesg .. (or lsmod) do you see anything about usb modules being loaded? |
| 11:49.15 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: not a great idea |
| 11:49.52 | ingenious | nothing at all |
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| 11:50.03 | ingenious | lsmod says usbcore is loaded though |
| 11:50.12 | ingenious | usbcore 131436 4 usbhid,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd |
| 11:50.17 | abrotman | but nothign about *_hcd ? |
| 11:50.19 | ingenious | there is a usb kbd plugged in |
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| 11:51.20 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: which package? |
| 11:51.21 | ingenious | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/QPVA0Q93.html |
| 11:51.42 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman, audacious. It doesn't work correctly in lenny |
| 11:51.52 | ingenious | but it's got nothing to do with teh hdd |
| 11:51.54 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: dpkg -l audacious* .. put it in a pastebin |
| 11:52.19 | abrotman | ingenious: i didn't say it did .. but if lsusb doesn't see it .. it's not going to load up drivers for a non-existent device |
| 11:52.23 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman, http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6636/audaciousbz8.jpg |
| 11:52.42 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: i use audacious in lenny(not in a few days though) and it works fine) |
| 11:53.11 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: maybe your desktop doesn't like being half russian/half english? :) |
| 11:53.31 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman, do you see how it looks like? I tried to remove its home directory and reinstall it with 'purge' |
| 11:53.35 | ingenious | hmhm is usb 2.0 backwards compatible ? |
| 11:53.38 | abrotman | yes |
| 11:53.43 | abrotman | supposed to be anyways |
| 11:53.55 | ingenious | so I'm totally out of ideas |
| 11:54.08 | ingenious | maybe I'll try booting a knoppix live cd |
| 11:54.11 | abrotman | do you have any other usb storage devices? |
| 11:54.26 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman, do you think that's the problem??? then how do i make all the gtk applications to be run in english? |
| 11:54.33 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: no .. i was kidding |
| 11:54.49 | ingenious | I'm trying the mp3player now |
| 11:55.03 | abrotman | steps away for a minute |
| 11:55.05 | Speereet | Hi. Is there a tool specialised in cleaning the debian cache archives? I want to remove all archives except the latest versions, still keep those that aren't installed. Anyway, my actual question is more appropriate this way: I want to have a local mirror of packages installed in network computers, but I don't want to get everything from external mirrors. Currently I just mount the archives pool in the server in each of the clients, and let |
| 11:55.05 | ingenious | it was working just fine yesterday, nevertheless ... |
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| 11:55.25 | Vinai | abrotman: FYI: I removed debsig-verify, now the packages verify correctly and install. |
| 11:55.48 | milligan_ | I need to find, recursivly, directories that contain uppercase letters .. Any easy way of doing that on the command line ? |
| 11:55.49 | ingenious | it's still working fine |
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| 11:58.59 | ingenious | milligan_: find . -name |
| 11:59.09 | ingenious | find can work with regexes, I think |
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| 12:00.05 | milligan_ | I'm solving it with php... much faster ;) |
| 12:00.11 | saimonn | milligan_: find <dir> -type d -path '*[A-Z]*' |
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| 12:00.45 | saimonn | -name instead of -path |
| 12:02.33 | pflanze | OK it was libxml2 which is at fault in testing; "upgrading" to the version in unstable (actually a downgrade) fixed it. |
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| 12:06.33 | abrotman | Vinai: uhm .. weird |
| 12:06.39 | Vinai | abrotman: thanks for your help btw, I appreciate it |
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| 12:06.54 | abrotman | ingbah |
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| 12:08.10 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: at one point .. there was a problem with audacious acting very badly because the audacious-plugins package didn't match correctly |
| 12:08.34 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: but i believe that was taken care of .. (but that was why i asked about package versions) |
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| 12:09.32 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman, the most strange is that i installed etch (and it had worked in it), then i did dist-upgrade (and it still had worked in it, too), but some bad day it stopped woking like that |
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| 12:11.33 | abrotman | !ot |
| 12:11.34 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 12:12.36 | hedgehoginfog | is what I'm talking about off-topic? |
| 12:12.44 | abrotman | nope .. that was just a PSA :) |
| 12:12.53 | hedgehoginfog | :) |
| 12:13.00 | abrotman | erm .. Public Service Announcement |
| 12:13.06 | hedgehoginfog | I installed audacious from etch and it works alright |
| 12:13.16 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: have you checked the BTS? |
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| 12:13.41 | hedgehoginfog | the problem with it is that it doesnt seem to support cp1251 mp3 tags |
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| 12:13.58 | hedgehoginfog | what is BTS? |
| 12:14.08 | abrotman | !bts |
| 12:14.08 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
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| 12:14.30 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: what if you specify a single file ? like `audacious foo.mp3` ? |
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| 12:15.41 | pump|dR | is pleased to see that debian now runs on the (OpenMoko) cell phone. |
| 12:16.00 | abrotman | do you have a moko phone? |
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| 12:16.53 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman, the same. No sound and the same ungly 'skin' |
| 12:17.01 | abrotman | that's hardly a skin |
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| 12:17.24 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: what if you run it from a console? (or did you just do that?) |
| 12:17.44 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman, yes, that's what i just did |
| 12:18.10 | abrotman | you could try to strace it .. |
| 12:18.14 | znoG_ | Hi all. I'm trying to use 'prevu' to backport "subversion" from Testing into Hardy. When I try to install the .deb it built for me, it says it can't install due to a dependency (libsvn1), however, as I understand it the subversion file I just built should provide that package. Am I right? |
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| 12:18.31 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/m60e25605 |
| 12:18.51 | abrotman | znoG_: uhm .. Hardy is Ubuntu .. testing is Debian |
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| 12:19.19 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman, do you see anything wrong there? |
| 12:19.19 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: maybe a lastfm problem ? |
| 12:19.34 | jelly | znoG_: did it not build the libsvn1_*.deb as well? |
| 12:19.45 | znoG_ | abrotman: Sure. It should still work, right? |
| 12:20.00 | wols | znoG_: no one will guarantee you that |
| 12:20.03 | wols | certainly not debian |
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| 12:20.16 | znoG_ | jelly: i *think* i may have downloaded the subversion .deb from testing and confused it with the one prevu made. I'm trying to find where prevu saves the .deb it builds |
| 12:20.17 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman, never used it. How do i get rid of it? Maybe i should remove extra-plugins? |
| 12:20.40 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: i only have audacious-plugins .. not the extra-extra-extra-plugins |
| 12:20.46 | jelly | znoG_: you'll have to ask ubuntu about the prevu thingy, I'm afraid |
| 12:21.26 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman, the same, just without those messages about plugins loades :( |
| 12:21.30 | znoG_ | jelly: no worries. thanks for the kind answer :) |
| 12:21.44 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: do you have other users on the machine? |
| 12:22.00 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman, no, just me and root |
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| 12:22.38 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: strace audacious foo.mp3 .. see if it gets stuck in a loop ? |
| 12:23.53 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman, well, it keeps writing plenty of messages into console? what did you except it to say? |
| 12:24.13 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: i was really wondering if it would go into a loop or just get stuck waiting for something |
| 12:24.50 | hedgehoginfog | yes! it seems to have gone into a loop |
| 12:25.06 | Vinai | How do I disable an # at the start of a line from being repeated on following lines in vim? |
| 12:25.18 | hedgehoginfog | it keeps naming the file I didnt ask it to play |
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| 12:25.38 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: you didn't ask it to play? |
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| 12:26.36 | hedgehoginfog | no. It repeates the name of one file that was in the playlist previously, not 'foo.mp3' which i asked it to play |
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| 12:27.03 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491043 |
| 12:27.12 | abrotman | though that bug might be related anymore |
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| 12:27.39 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: when it's up like that .. what's the CPU usage of audacious? |
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| 12:28.08 | hedgehoginfog | http://pastebin.com/ma0457f4 |
| 12:28.22 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: i think i see the problem |
| 12:28.23 | hedgehoginfog | that's a piece of what it said |
| 12:28.37 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: you're listening to .. The Dixie Chicks |
| 12:28.42 | abrotman | hides |
| 12:28.51 | hedgehoginfog | O_o |
| 12:28.58 | abrotman | heh |
| 12:29.03 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: so you're saying that file doesn't exist anymore |
| 12:29.04 | abrotman | ? |
| 12:29.14 | hedgehoginfog | I don't like them actually, that's the only reason I listen to them |
| 12:30.25 | hedgehoginfog | which file? Dixie_Chicks_-_01_-_Long_Time_Gone.mp3? It does exist |
| 12:30.35 | jelly | hedgehoginfog: step 1) stop the app step 2) find its volatile data (playlist history), wipe it |
| 12:31.36 | hedgehoginfog | jelly, hmm I don't get you... |
| 12:32.07 | jelly | hedgehoginfog: how does it know about that file? |
| 12:32.21 | jelly | it must be written somewhere |
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| 12:33.13 | hedgehoginfog | jelly, i guess it's loaded from ~/.audacious/playlist.xspf |
| 12:33.32 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: he's telling you to mv ~/.audacious ~/.audacious.borked (after stopping audacious of course) |
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| 12:34.29 | Maulkin | !amiswapping |
| 12:34.33 | Maulkin | !am i swapping |
| 12:34.34 | dpkg | run "vmstat 3" and ignore the first 3 lines, if the "so" column is not 0s all the time you are swapping |
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| 12:35.07 | jelly | hedgehoginfog, abrotman: I was thinking more "edit that file and remove offending bits, while keeping the file syntax correct", but mv might work :-) |
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| 12:35.33 | hedgehoginfog | nothing has changed after i mv-ed it |
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| 12:35.51 | jelly | hedgehoginfog: did you kill the app before mv? |
| 12:35.57 | hedgehoginfog | yes |
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| 12:36.17 | abrotman | but it still retains your last played song? |
| 12:36.19 | SpeedyG | Hi, I want to run hddtemp as regular user, but it seems to be an app for root-usage only, (how) can I fix this? :) |
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| 12:36.38 | jelly | hedgehoginfog: pastebin your strace. |
| 12:36.52 | abrotman | the whole thing? or just the last 100 lines or so ? |
| 12:37.37 | jelly | the whole thing. hedgehoginfog: in fact, kill the app, do a strace -ff -o some.log audacious, and ctrl-c it after a reasonable time |
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| 12:37.54 | jelly | hedgehoginfog: then upload all the some.log* files somewhere |
| 12:38.18 | SpeedyG | any suggestions? |
| 12:38.59 | wols | dirty way: set the app suid root. less dirty: let hddtemp access the /dev/ file it wants |
| 12:39.25 | hedgehoginfog | that's impossible |
| 12:39.33 | hedgehoginfog | it has started up!!! |
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| 12:40.41 | hedgehoginfog | it works extremely slowly though |
| 12:40.41 | SpeedyG | wols: the less dirty way, should I give the app, or the user access, and would it be wise to do that on the install-disc ? |
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| 12:40.58 | hedgehoginfog | jelly, how did that command make it work? :) |
| 12:41.12 | jelly | hedgehoginfog: it shouldn't have |
| 12:41.26 | hedgehoginfog | jelly, but it did |
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| 12:42.08 | jelly | hedgehoginfog: it basically means there's a race condition somewhere in the app or the app <-> filesystem interaction, and since strace makes it run slowly, the bug didn't happen |
| 12:42.32 | jelly | hedgehoginfog: which filesystem is /media/exthdd? ntfs-3g? |
| 12:42.41 | hedgehoginfog | jelly, yes! |
| 12:42.58 | jelly | hedgehoginfog: likely a bug in there somewhere |
| 12:43.07 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: try to play a file in your $HOME |
| 12:43.18 | abrotman | erm .. close audacious first |
| 12:43.22 | jelly | hedgehoginfog: well, kill it now, the strace logs are filling up your disk |
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| 12:43.37 | hedgehoginfog | jelly, thanks. You were helpful, anyway the problem's gone now |
| 12:43.43 | abrotman | gone permanently? |
| 12:43.46 | jelly | it's not |
| 12:43.50 | hedgehoginfog | yes |
| 12:43.57 | mjauu | hi guys.. what package contains the ssl headers? |
| 12:44.02 | jelly | hedgehoginfog: even after running it normally? |
| 12:44.04 | hedgehoginfog | I just tried to run it a usual way without strace |
| 12:44.11 | hedgehoginfog | aha |
| 12:44.15 | jelly | weird. |
| 12:44.26 | jelly | must be the moon phase |
| 12:44.29 | abrotman | mjauu: libssl-dev or something like that |
| 12:44.32 | hedgehoginfog | yeah |
| 12:44.53 | mjauu | abrotman: cheers mate :> |
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| 12:46.57 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman, may i pm you? :) |
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| 12:47.14 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: depends on the topic .. but go ahead |
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| 12:49.21 | \3TATUK | I've manually edited my /etc/resolv.conf but it keeps getting rewritten. How can I prevent this? |
| 12:49.43 | hedgehoginfog | \3TATUK, add your DNS's to your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:49.50 | stew | \3TATUK: look at the resolvconf package |
| 12:49.52 | hedgehoginfog | \3TATUK, it seems to be a new for that |
| 12:50.23 | hedgehoginfog | \3TATUK, dns-nameservers xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy |
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| 12:50.32 | hedgehoginfog | new way* |
| 12:50.45 | stew | that 'new way' is just having the resolvconf package installed |
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| 12:52.03 | jelly | resolvconf's meddly ways are insufficiently documented in interfaces(5) |
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| 12:52.09 | \3TATUK | so stew say I install resolvconf, now what? |
| 12:52.27 | stew | read /usr/share/doc/resolvconf/README.Debian |
| 12:52.30 | \3TATUK | manually edit my /etc/resolv.conf and expect it to not be overwritten like just like that? |
| 12:52.42 | jelly | \3TATUK: no, he says you already have it, and could remove it if you don't want it to manage the file |
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| 12:53.00 | \3TATUK | no |
| 12:53.06 | \3TATUK | actually resolvconf isn't installed |
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| 12:53.11 | \3TATUK | p resolvconf - nameserver information handler |
| 12:53.18 | jelly | \3TATUK: oh, that's interesting |
| 12:53.31 | stew | its being overwritten by dhcp |
| 12:53.46 | jelly | wtf would dhcp do that |
| 12:53.52 | stew | resolvconf lets you specify the dns in interfaces |
| 12:54.03 | stew | jelly: ? |
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| 12:54.18 | jelly | stew: if you already have a static config |
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| 12:54.32 | Speereet | Hi, again. I want to spare bandwidth in a network by downloading the debian packages only once, but I too want to spare space, therefore I don't want to have a full mirror. What approach do you recommend? |
| 12:54.37 | joh | libc6-dev broken in stable? |
| 12:54.52 | abrotman | Speereet: apt-cacher or apt-proxy |
| 12:54.56 | stew | joh: no, why? |
| 12:54.58 | jelly | joh: which version of it? |
| 12:55.10 | \3TATUK | hedgehoginfog: so in order for the dns-nameservers directive in /etc/network/interfaces to work .. i need resolvconf installed? |
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| 12:55.22 | joh | jelly, stew: libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7) but 2.6.1-1 is to be installed |
| 12:55.22 | mquin | Speereet: you can use an apt proxy such as approx |
| 12:55.38 | jelly | joh: you have something other than stable in sources.list |
| 12:55.55 | hedgehoginfog | \3TATUK, I don't know actually, I do have it installed and I had the same problem and I just did what I had told you and it works now :) |
| 12:56.02 | stew | joh: you've upgraded to testing at some point, and the libc6-dev from stable isn't compatible with an old libc6 from testing |
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| 12:56.26 | dustybin | abrotman: heres a diagram showing how im going to setup my home network: http://empire.ispeeds.net/~subx/network.png |
| 12:56.28 | Nyle | Good morning |
| 12:56.52 | jelly | afternoon, Nyle |
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| 12:56.56 | dustybin | abrotman: is it possible to put my WHOLE server on the DMZ but still keep private and public cut off from eachother? |
| 12:56.58 | joh | stew, jelly: Aha, how to fix? |
| 12:57.06 | \3TATUK | hedgehoginfog, stew: thanks |
| 12:57.32 | abrotman | dustybin: sure .. but you probably want to ask #networking |
| 12:57.40 | dustybin | right ok thanks |
| 12:57.50 | jelly | joh: _theoretically_ you could try downgrading libc6. It would probably fail. The cleanest thing to do might be to upgrade to lenny. |
| 12:57.51 | joh | stew: Seems my workarounds are coming back to beat me :-/ |
| 12:58.49 | \3TATUK | hedgehoginfog: is a `/etc/init.d/networking restart` required? (after editng the /etc/network/interfaces) |
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| 12:59.47 | joh | jelly: Hmm, how do I downgrade libc6? |
| 13:00.00 | wols | joh: install the old one via dpkg |
| 13:00.02 | \3TATUK | guess i'll try it thx peace |
| 13:00.05 | wols | if you can |
| 13:00.08 | joh | wols: Heh, ok. |
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| 13:00.21 | jelly | apt-get install libc6=2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 |
| 13:00.34 | jelly | joh: your system might break badly. |
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| 13:01.09 | jelly | joh: have a statically linked shell like busybox or sash nearby |
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| 13:01.54 | joh | jelly: *shrug* That's bad. I can't afford that atm. You suggest upgrading instead then..? Is lenny recommended for production servers? |
| 13:02.21 | jelly | joh: no, but neither is running a mix of stable and year-old lenny packages. |
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| 13:02.41 | jelly | joh: wait for lenny to release then, if you can. |
| 13:02.56 | jelly | should be in 2009. :-) |
| 13:05.18 | jelly | joh: well, if apt-get -s install apt-get install libc6=2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 says nothing would be removed, you have a reasonable chance of your system to keep running. However I would _not_ downgrade libc6 on a system if I weren't very sure I could fix it quickly. |
| 13:06.00 | abrotman | or it didn't matter :) |
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| 13:08.12 | jelly | he did say "production system" |
| 13:08.45 | joh | jelly: Yeah, if this system goes down it'll be hell. |
| 13:09.23 | jelly | don't touch; apologize and say -dev can't be installed atm; would they like to have it on a development machine instead? |
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| 13:10.08 | joh | jelly: Yeah, I figure that's what I'm going to do. Heck, it wasn't even me who did it in the first place :P |
| 13:10.17 | abrotman | blame the boss! |
| 13:10.31 | joh | abrotman: I believe he's the one who actually did it :P |
| 13:10.35 | jelly | blame the lucky guy who got out of there in time |
| 13:10.37 | dr_dex | say that I'm running on a server that has a package, say libxml2 installed, and for some reason the version installed is too old (because of some patch that is needed in a never version). Luckily the version I need is available in a never distribution - how can I easilly backport the package to my system (if it doesn't have too complicated dependencies)? |
| 13:10.43 | abrotman | joh: wait .. you let the boss have root?! |
| 13:10.54 | jelly | dr_dex: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:11.08 | joh | abrotman: Hehe, he's the one who set it up before I started working here :P |
| 13:11.09 | jelly | dr_dex: also look for a newer version in /msg dpkg backports |
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| 13:11.38 | joh | Oh well, thanks jelly & co! |
| 13:11.41 | abrotman | joh: if you try to install the etch libc6 .. what happens? |
| 13:12.06 | joh | abrotman: 246 packages to remove. *shrug* |
| 13:12.09 | dr_dex | jelly: backports doesn't have the version I need, so I need to build it myself, so basically I need a manual of how to build a deb from source (one that someone already created rules for) |
| 13:12.20 | abrotman | joh: i doubt you're running anything close to etch anymore |
| 13:12.37 | joh | abrotman: Yeah, you're probably right. |
| 13:12.39 | abrotman | dr_dex: the bot just told you how |
| 13:12.41 | Nyle | !tell dr_dex -about package basics |
| 13:12.57 | Nyle | people don't bother to read |
| 13:12.58 | dr_dex | thanks all, I'm reading... |
| 13:13.07 | Nyle | oh are you now? |
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| 13:13.15 | Nyle | fanfreakintastic. |
| 13:13.25 | jelly | dr_dex: that's what the "simple sid backport" instructions are for |
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| 13:14.35 | rwaite | hmm i need to backup this 40GB hard drive and put it inside a virtual machine. what would be the best way to do that? dump? dd? |
| 13:14.51 | wols | rsync? |
| 13:14.57 | jelly | rwaite: how much of that is actually in use? |
| 13:15.34 | rwaite | like, 6 gigs |
| 13:15.42 | rwaite | there's a lot of wacky partitioning going on |
| 13:16.17 | rwaite | im considering doing a dump of each partition and collecting a fdisk -l of the system when its running to duplicate the partitions |
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| 13:16.51 | jelly | rwaite: the "best" way would be: create a vm; boot a livecd, replicate the partition setup; copy the _files_ using rsync, tar or cp; chroot to the freshly copied system; install the boot loader |
| 13:17.30 | jelly | rwaite: since it's 15% used, it makes little sense to allocate and copy all of the 40GB |
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| 13:18.12 | rwaite | okay, i think i'll try that. (this is an appliance box using mandrake that is "closed" ie no console login or ssh) |
| 13:18.28 | rwaite | so i will have to add a info collection script to the init.d offline and then boot it |
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| 13:19.12 | dr_dex | the uupdate entry from dpkg (bot) is a little bit short - do you have some more details? |
| 13:19.22 | jelly | rwaite: are you sure your vm guest has compatible hardware and the appliance kernel will work at all? |
| 13:19.45 | rwaite | oh yeah, i opened the box its just a mandrake install running on some commodity mobo |
| 13:19.52 | wols | dr_dex: what is it you don't understand? |
| 13:19.54 | jelly | dr_dex: is the sid version not new enough for you? |
| 13:20.03 | rwaite | but i wanna play with it in a vm, possibly replace the appliance altogether |
| 13:20.05 | dr_dex | jelly: no |
| 13:20.52 | dr_dex | jelly: I guess there is no way around reading the maint-guide, it seems... |
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| 13:21.07 | jelly | dr_dex: well. you download the new .tar.gz, cd to the current unpacked debian source and do uupdate ../where-ever/new.tar.gz, it's not rocket science |
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| 13:21.41 | jelly | didn't have to read any guides for that |
| 13:21.43 | dr_dex | jelly: you should add that sentence to the uupdate entry for dpkg (bot) |
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| 13:22.14 | cedric3 | i search a graphical tool to configure wireless if yo uhave one thanks |
| 13:22.35 | AbsintheSyringe | what's the best way to encrypt my hdd on my notebook, I only have one partition (+ swap), I don't want to format it, and I'd like on-fly encryption, once my notebook is on, just enter pass or use usb stick? |
| 13:22.36 | saimonn | kwifimanager |
| 13:22.58 | cedric3 | thanks i try now |
| 13:23.22 | saimonn | (for kde) |
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| 13:24.50 | jelly | dr_dex: there |
| 13:24.51 | rwaite | would there be any reason for an ide hard drive to show up under /dev/sdb ? |
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| 13:25.16 | jelly | rwaite: your kernel uses libata-based drivers for your IDE controller |
| 13:25.25 | rwaite | i see |
| 13:25.39 | stew | joh: if you use aptitude to sort it out it is possible that the 246 packages it wants to be removed could also be downgraded to the stable versions which would depend on the libc6 from stable: /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
| 13:25.43 | jelly | rwaite: those are newer and provide sd* devices. It's all right. |
| 13:25.51 | rwaite | okay i was just a lil confused |
| 13:26.54 | Nyle | kde |
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| 13:27.20 | jelly | rwaite: some apps may need extra love because of that, like smartctl needs an additional "-d ata" option |
| 13:27.48 | rwaite | thanks for the help, i need to reboot now to attach the other hdd |
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| 13:28.04 | gul | hello! did not get any answear over at ubuntu channel, so im trying here as its actually gparted related. anyone knows if its safe to resize NTSF partitions? |
| 13:28.22 | abrotman | gul: ask #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 13:28.50 | jelly | gul: #gparted, irc.gnome.org. It's reasonably safe, but make backups first. |
| 13:28.57 | jpinx | gul: basically no - it's not safe |
| 13:29.04 | jelly | heh. |
| 13:29.13 | jpinx | jelly: I just hosed one ;) |
| 13:29.40 | jelly | jpinx: I shrunk an xp one with no ill effects |
| 13:29.46 | gul | ok thanks all |
| 13:29.57 | jelly | gul: YMMV apparently :-) |
| 13:30.08 | jpinx | I need to know how to stop apt-get update & upgrade from hosing my etchnhalf kernel |
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| 13:30.21 | jelly | jpinx: why would it hose it? |
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| 13:30.32 | jpinx | jelly: did you defrag in windoze first? |
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| 13:30.37 | gul | jelly: ehh.. YMMV means...? lol sorry |
| 13:30.47 | wols | !ymmv |
| 13:30.48 | dpkg | somebody said ymmv was an abbreviation of "Your mileage may vary." |
| 13:30.50 | abrotman | gul: might work, might not .. you can only try and see |
| 13:31.01 | wols | and do lots of praying |
| 13:31.50 | gul | abrotman: yea i guess.. but its not my pc so just wanted to ask beforehand |
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| 13:32.59 | gul | oh, actually, i did not mention that i was gonna resize ntsf to the bigger! idk if thats make any difference |
| 13:33.07 | jpinx | jelly: it has done an upgrade to 2.6.18-6-686 but I am not sure what it's done to 2.6.24etchnhalf-6-686 |
| 13:33.22 | gul | but should not delete files at least? |
| 13:33.28 | jelly | jpinx: apt-cache policy 2.6.24etchnhalf-6-686 |
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| 13:33.48 | jelly | gul: it might make the whole partition unavailable and lose the data |
| 13:33.53 | jpinx | gul: making it bigger is slightly safer, but don't move the beginning of the partition |
| 13:33.53 | rambo3 | !seen joomla_user |
| 13:33.53 | dpkg | rambo3: i haven't seen 'joomla_user' |
| 13:34.19 | jelly | jpinx: er, linux-image-... |
| 13:34.47 | gul | hmm maybe i just make another partition and format it ntsf from windows. maybe i can find a way to merge partitions over in eww windows |
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| 13:35.19 | jpinx | gul: there are partition managers for windoz |
| 13:35.42 | gul | jpinx: i guess.. just more comfortable doing it in linux:/ |
| 13:35.59 | dr_dex | jelly: what do you do if uupdate fails because of rejected diffs? |
| 13:36.03 | gul | jpinx: i dont trust windows |
| 13:36.18 | gul | anyways thanks all. later |
| 13:36.26 | jelly | dr_dex: fix or remove the patches in question |
| 13:36.35 | dr_dex | jelly: thanks for the improvement about uupdate |
| 13:36.36 | jpinx | gul: if you have linux on the same physical hdd you will have problems |
| 13:36.53 | jpinx | gul: this is ot - msg me |
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| 13:37.12 | jpinx | lol |
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| 13:37.53 | jpinx | jelly: that kernel package is not found by apt-get policy |
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| 13:38.39 | jpinx | jelly: W: Unable to locate package 2.6.24etchnhalf-6-686 |
| 13:38.56 | jelly | jpinx: that's what _you_ called it! |
| 13:39.27 | jelly | jpinx: if it were me, I'd call it linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
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| 13:40.11 | jpinx | heh - I cut'n'pasted your first advice ;) |
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| 13:41.45 | dustybin | i just installed the xen kernel on debian lenny, when i try and boot from it, it says: Error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format. |
| 13:41.57 | dustybin | thats using the latest xen image |
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| 13:43.30 | jpinx | jelly: thanks - it seems to be saying that etchnhalf survived |
| 13:44.12 | jpinx | presumably it upgraded my original etch kernel |
| 13:44.23 | jelly | jpinx: that package is a part of stable and gets updates like anything else; it ought to survive like any other |
| 13:44.30 | jpinx | has great faith in Debian's systems |
| 13:44.47 | wols | has great faith in any OS or distro to fuck up |
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| 13:45.31 | jpinx | heh |
| 13:45.35 | _ZeuZ_ | I've got a weird doubt... last night I saw someone with a 2.6.24.6-rt kernel, investigating a little, I got to see that RT stands for Real Time, and the package was avaible for Ubuntu, nevertheless, I wanted to try a -RT kernel, but before using an ubuntu package or compiling a RT kernel myself, I wanted to ask, what's the main difference into a normal kernel with a RT kernel? |
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| 13:45.53 | jpinx | goes back to making backups |
| 13:45.58 | wols | low task switch latency mainly |
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| 13:46.03 | jpinx | thanks guys |
| 13:46.12 | _ZeuZ_ | wols, so it's good for a desktop right? |
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| 13:46.34 | wols | that's the idea. multimedia mainly |
| 13:47.04 | _ZeuZ_ | what about power consumition if tickless is enable? would it go fine with a laptop? |
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| 13:48.52 | DGMurdockIII | Stop Dr. Uwe Boll Petition need 1 million people to sigh then he will retire http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?RRH53888 |
| 13:49.47 | _ZeuZ_ | errm... I can't find Real Time support in the kernel's configuration tree... Anyone to give me a hint of where is it? |
| 13:50.05 | DGMurdockIII | Stop Dr. Uwe Boll Petition need 1 million people to sigh then he will retire http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?RRH53888 |
| 13:50.09 | doff | who is this doctor? |
| 13:50.44 | liable | DGMurdockIII: wrong channel kthxbye |
| 13:51.18 | DGMurdockIII | dont tell me buy unless you leaving |
| 13:51.22 | DGMurdockIII | by |
| 13:51.24 | DGMurdockIII | * |
| 13:51.36 | DGMurdockIII | jackass |
| 13:51.44 | jelly | !ops DGMurdockIII spamming |
| 13:51.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly complains about: DGMurdockIII spamming |
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| 13:53.23 | Speereet | I have setup apt-proxy, but when I try to update the package listing, it halts at 99% waiting for headers. What is this? |
| 13:53.55 | Maulkin | Charming |
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| 13:54.40 | jelly | eh, apologies for the highlight |
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| 13:54.43 | Laeborg | hi i just got a Acer Extensa 5620 today, and i would like to install debian instead of Vista. Would there be any problems? |
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| 13:55.22 | wols | depends on the hardware. we don't know all hardware models on the market |
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| 13:55.32 | liable | shame on you |
| 13:55.54 | wols | liable: I prefer quality gear |
| 13:55.58 | SpeedyG | what's a good virusscanner for debian when used as a desktop-system? |
| 13:56.06 | wols | SpeedyG: brain 1.0 |
| 13:56.16 | wols | SpeedyG: what viruses do you want to detect? |
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| 13:56.24 | wols | the AV will die of boredom |
| 13:56.39 | SpeedyG | wols: I want to scan usb-stick that might contain windows-based virii |
| 13:56.48 | wols | clamav, avg maybe |
| 13:56.51 | _ZeuZ_ | SpeedyG, then use a portable NOD32 |
| 13:56.55 | wols | AV is always a crapshoot |
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| 13:57.19 | _ZeuZ_ | run a portable NOD32 or whatever with Wine, scan, and don't install anything |
| 13:57.44 | jelly | Laeborg: that sort of question is still best answered using google |
| 13:58.09 | jelly | waits for new stinkpads |
| 13:59.00 | liable | stupid battery died on mine the other day. too scared to look at how much to replace it. |
| 13:59.29 | Laeborg | http://www.linlap.com/wiki/Acer+Extensa+5620 |
| 14:00.01 | Laeborg | that looks fine, right ? |
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| 14:01.07 | jpinx | Laeborg: are you setting up dual boot? |
| 14:01.33 | Laeborg | well that depends on how many problems that i get |
| 14:02.03 | jpinx | Laeborg: you need to make that decision before you start |
| 14:03.07 | Laeborg | well i throught i just would make a new partition to debian (D:/) and then try to install it there, |
| 14:03.44 | _ZeuZ_ | Hughs it's Toshiba Satellite Pro x205-sli6 |
| 14:04.07 | Speereet | Does any one know why apt-get update hangs with "waiting for headers", when behind apt-proxy? (Already tried disabling pipelining.) |
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| 14:05.00 | jpinx | Laeborg: you need to update and defrag your windows before you create some free space for Debian using a windows-based partition tool |
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| 14:05.20 | Laeborg | i have 70GB free space |
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| 14:05.41 | Laeborg | i would just make a new patition in the debian setup/install |
| 14:06.00 | jpinx | Laeborg: update and defrag first |
| 14:06.30 | jpinx | Laeborg: and change the partitions witha windows based partition manager |
| 14:06.50 | Laeborg | okay |
| 14:07.21 | Laeborg | well theres vista on the laptop, and i would like to install xp instead but can i do that after ? |
| 14:07.21 | jpinx | Laeborg: and back up all your data before you do partitions |
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| 14:08.07 | Laeborg | no importen data yet. I first got the laptop today |
| 14:08.34 | _ZeuZ_ | Laeborg, yes you can |
| 14:08.51 | _ZeuZ_ | Laeborg, but it's better to install Windows XP first, then Debian, as GRUB would need to be reinstalled |
| 14:09.05 | Laeborg | okay i will do that then |
| 14:09.24 | HugLeo | I've a network device and in debian installation not is detected |
| 14:09.29 | _ZeuZ_ | sed 's/grub/grub or lilo or whatever/g' |
| 14:09.49 | HugLeo | 14e4:165a |
| 14:09.55 | _ZeuZ_ | HugLeo, speak english you can? |
| 14:10.05 | HugLeo | NetXtreme BCM5722 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express |
| 14:10.14 | Laeborg | well i need to go now. But i be back in a few hours. |
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| 14:10.35 | HugLeo | I'm using amd64 dvd. |
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| 14:11.14 | HugLeo | Debin DVD say: Don't found your network hardware |
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| 14:12.30 | HugLeo | Is possible use debian with it's device? |
| 14:13.06 | _ZeuZ_ | I don;t get what your problem is... did you configure it to use that network device? |
| 14:13.17 | wols | HugLeo: what NIC is it? |
| 14:13.24 | wols | ah, try tg3 perhaps? |
| 14:13.51 | wols | tg3 as the driver. alternatively, if you use a 2.6.18 kernel, try a newer kernel like the 2.6.24 etchnhalf one |
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| 14:14.54 | HugLeo | wols Where I can download? |
| 14:15.24 | HugLeo | Perhaps I need use a floppy disk |
| 14:15.33 | HugLeo | *can I |
| 14:16.08 | HugLeo | ok |
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| 14:16.33 | CharminTheMoose | is lenny stable yet? |
| 14:17.10 | _ZeuZ_ | CharminTheMoose, it's in frozen state |
| 14:17.17 | _ZeuZ_ | well, kinda. |
| 14:17.25 | _ZeuZ_ | Still, it's stable enough for a desktop |
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| 14:17.32 | Hydroxide | CharminTheMoose: not officially, no, though it works quite well now |
| 14:17.56 | abrotman | !tell CharminTheMoose about wwlr |
| 14:18.39 | Maulkin | Lenny has released. Twice a day, at dinstall time. |
| 14:18.45 | Maulkin | hides |
| 14:18.47 | HugLeo | wols So i need put my device in the trash. |
| 14:21.23 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman, thanks |
| 14:21.32 | CharminTheMoose | I needed some reminding |
| 14:22.29 | wols | !etchnhalf |
| 14:22.29 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf, or <etchnhalf facts> |
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| 14:24.18 | dustybin | ive installed: xen-hypervisor-3.2-1-i386 - The Xen Hypervisor on i386 |
| 14:24.35 | dustybin | and it created: xen-3.2-1-i386.gz inside /boot |
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| 14:25.01 | dustybin | however, it changed a few bits of grub/menu.lst but it hasnt given me a option to boot the xen hypervisor kernel |
| 14:25.46 | dustybin | are these images: linux-image-2.6.25-2-xen-686 - Linux 2.6.25 image on i686 for running inside a xen guest (domu) ? |
| 14:26.13 | dustybin | because they fail when i try and boot from my main host |
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| 14:26.36 | rhalff_ | hi I want to add this permanently for all user: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib:LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 14:26.41 | rhalff_ | where can I throw this ? |
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| 14:28.00 | wols | rhalff_: /etc/environment |
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| 14:29.55 | rhalff_ | thanks wols |
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| 14:32.13 | Paul_UK | hey all, im looking to build some packages from source (.tar.gz) but so far every reference/document from google mentions apt-get source package. but this pulls either an outofdate package or a newer revision than the package version i want to use. anyone know of some guides start start with a .tar.gz and end up with a .deb? |
| 14:32.41 | _ZeuZ_ | Paul_UK, well, use apt-build directly, or download and compile the source manually |
| 14:32.52 | wols | Paul_UK: is the version of the package you want in sid maybe? |
| 14:33.03 | wols | if so do a simple sid backport |
| 14:33.07 | wols | if not.... |
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| 14:33.11 | wols | !tell Paul_UK about mg |
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| 14:34.14 | Paul_UK | _ZeuZ_: i dont want to compile the source manually. for example, i have specific versions of packages i want to use. i want a .deb file of this version, as then i could install this file onto more than 10 machines. also compiling from source takes much longer than just doing an apt-get from a local repository on the network |
| 14:34.28 | Paul_UK | wols: sid backport? im new to debian |
| 14:34.42 | wols | Paul_UK: is the version of the package you want in sid, yes or no? |
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| 14:35.11 | _ZeuZ_ | Paul_UK, oh, now I got what you want... |
| 14:35.14 | Paul_UK | wols: you mean just by doing apt-get package and seeing if the version? |
| 14:35.20 | _ZeuZ_ | well, it's that, or get the deb from archive and then dpkg -i it |
| 14:35.33 | wols | Paul_UK: no! by checking packages.debian.org for example |
| 14:35.39 | Paul_UK | wols: oh |
| 14:35.47 | wols | _ZeuZ_: no it'S not that at all |
| 14:35.56 | wols | never ever mix sid and other debian branches |
| 14:36.19 | _ZeuZ_ | I know, but if he wants to use a specific version, let him use it ;) |
| 14:36.40 | Paul_UK | wols: there is imagemagick 7:6.2.4.5.dfsg1-0.14 but i require 6.3.4, i have the source as a .tar.gz from the vendors site. |
| 14:36.46 | wols | _ZeuZ_: while you are here, try not to break people's systems intentionally. or you will be spanked |
| 14:37.01 | wols | Paul_UK: then you should read the mg factoid dpkg gave you |
| 14:37.01 | _ZeuZ_ | >.< spank me baby! :) |
| 14:37.11 | _ZeuZ_ | Feels gay |
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| 14:37.39 | Paul_UK | wols: ok. i'll take a look thanks. |
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| 14:40.07 | ezguy | is there to swap/rename the sda and sdb device entry name so sda is sdb and sdb is sda when it boot up? |
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| 14:40.45 | unop | ezguy, tell us what you are actually aiming to do. maybe there's a better way to address your problem. |
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| 14:42.43 | jelly | like using labels or uuids in fstab instead of hardcoded devices |
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| 14:44.43 | Gillpy | How do I make new screens in my virtual console show instantly rather than scrolling? for example when paging with less the text scrolls up when you press space, so you have to wait for it. This doesn't happen in xterms, where the new text is drawn instantly rather than scrolled. |
| 14:45.26 | ezguy | unop, i have the orginal storage mount as sda and i added a second storage which show up as sda and move the orginal sda to sdb. i want the keep orginal sda device as sda not sdb |
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| 14:46.19 | jelly | ezguy: why do you care about it being "sda"? |
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| 14:46.37 | ezguy | my apps care |
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| 14:46.55 | jelly | ezguy: why do your apps care aobut devices instead of paths? |
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| 14:47.50 | \3TATUK | Any good GUI frontends to configure a mailserver? [not concerned with a web client but something to manage setup / users / config )? |
| 14:48.20 | unop | ezguy, can it be something else like /dev/my_storage_device ? as you could use a udev rule to create a symlink to the right device, irrespective of its name. |
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| 14:50.19 | jelly | ezguy: or /dev/disk/by-uuid/... |
| 14:50.20 | ezguy | jelly, it would easy if rename the dev entries |
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| 14:50.44 | jelly | ezguy: I still can't see what "it" is. |
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| 14:52.14 | jelly | ezguy: symlinks in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ always point to the same partitions |
| 14:52.18 | jthomas | What is the 'best' VMware-like project for running in Debian? And, does it have a graphical frontend? VMware's closedness and non-apt-get-able and recompiling with kernel changes is getting to me. |
| 14:52.32 | jelly | !best |
| 14:52.32 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 14:52.43 | jthomas | yeah come on, i get that. |
| 14:52.55 | petemc | jthomas: virt-manager |
| 14:53.10 | jthomas | i'll look into that one, thanks |
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| 14:53.30 | ezguy | thanks |
| 14:55.06 | cydork | jthomas: also there is virtualbox-ose |
| 14:55.23 | dustybin | out of these 3 kernel images, what one should i install on the host xen dom0, the list is totally unclear: |
| 14:55.29 | dustybin | linux-image-2.6-xen-686 - Linux 2.6 image on i686 |
| 14:55.31 | jthomas | petemc what does that manage? Synaptic wants to install qemu which isn't very fast in my experience |
| 14:55.35 | dustybin | linux-image-2.6.25-2-xen-686 - Linux 2.6.25 image on i686 |
| 14:55.37 | dustybin | linux-image-xen-686 - Linux image on i686 |
| 14:55.43 | cydork | dustybin: you are using lenny? |
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| 14:55.49 | dustybin | yes |
| 14:55.56 | cydork | dustybin: read http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 14:56.09 | dustybin | ok thanks |
| 14:56.21 | cydork | dustybin: no dom0 kernel for lenny.. yet.. |
| 14:56.33 | dustybin | arghghghghghghghg |
| 14:56.43 | dustybin | lenny will be released soon!? |
| 14:56.57 | wols | !tell dustybin about wwlr |
| 14:57.27 | petemc | jthomas: xen, qemu and kvm |
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| 14:57.52 | vasco | hello can you advice me |
| 14:57.56 | vasco | cause i am not sure |
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| 14:58.20 | vasco | i have an application sd running on port 9876 |
| 14:58.26 | vasco | i think it s a backdoor |
| 14:58.38 | asg | vasco: use lsof or fuser to find out which program is running |
| 14:58.41 | petemc | lsof -i :9876 |
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| 14:58.46 | wols | vasco: netstat -anp |grep 9876 |
| 14:58.53 | uski | hi, is there a way to reinstall gnome and restore its original settings? i did an update and now it locks during initializatio, i.e. gnome-panel doesn't show up and the desktop is locked |
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| 15:00.13 | jthomas | petemc thanks agai |
| 15:00.13 | vasco | netstat -anp |grep 9876 = nothing |
| 15:00.14 | jthomas | n |
| 15:00.20 | doff | uski, delete ~/.gnome2 dir? |
| 15:00.20 | jelly | vasco: as root? |
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| 15:00.27 | vasco | but nmap on my ip said me it s opened |
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| 15:00.34 | vasco | from the external |
| 15:00.42 | vasco | yes as root of course |
| 15:01.10 | _ZeuZ_ | vasco, netstat -puta | grep 98 |
| 15:01.13 | vasco | what mean this line in your mind? |
| 15:01.16 | vasco | 6667/tcp filtered irc |
| 15:01.16 | vasco | 9876/tcp filtered sd |
| 15:01.22 | jthomas | uski i would remove some/all of the .gnome setup files/folder from your home (/home/uski/); the . means they're hidden from normal view. or back them up and move them in case you want something back and cannot figure it out otherwise |
| 15:01.23 | _ZeuZ_ | there you are. |
| 15:01.26 | jelly | vasco: that doesn't mean it's open. |
| 15:01.44 | wols | vasco: it doesn't mean anything. don't use tools you don't understand. like nmap |
| 15:02.24 | _ZeuZ_ | filtered means that some of the queues or disciplines in your iptables is restricting the way traffic can act against the outside |
| 15:02.24 | jelly | vasco: it does mean your machine does something unusual with the packets, which makes nmap guess the port is firewalled |
| 15:02.33 | _ZeuZ_ | let it be input, output or mangle for example |
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| 15:03.41 | uski | jthomas, thanks. Now I just get the default debian background desktop logo, without anything over it... :/ I'm afraid im not the only one affected as this problem appeared straight after an upgrade |
| 15:03.57 | jelly | vasco: it could also mean your ISP is doing some blocking of incoming traffic for those ports |
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| 15:04.22 | vasco | jelly, then a thing is working with this port |
| 15:04.37 | wols | vasco: no |
| 15:05.06 | jthomas | uski i hope that you did back them up then? sorry however I am not a GNOME user, KDE rocks too much for me to want to leave it for GNOME. :) Can anyone else suggest anything for uski ? |
| 15:05.13 | yziquel | hello. Somehow, on my gnome desktop, network-manager just disappeared, and I have no access to my wifi. How is network-manager supposed to be launched at login? |
| 15:05.39 | Maliuta | why is it that people seem to think desktop software is distro related? |
| 15:05.48 | jthomas | uski after removing those files you did log out and log in? that is when they would be recreated |
| 15:06.06 | yziquel | Maliuta: perhaps d-bus related. |
| 15:06.15 | jthomas | Maliuta because some distros provide it, and others dont, and its always in that distro's package format? |
| 15:06.16 | uski | jthomas, yes I did but i'm looking for a way to restore the gnome settings from scratch, I was hoping dpkg-reconfigure could do that :/ thanks for trying to help anyway :) i hope someone else has an idea |
| 15:06.32 | enviouz | yziquel: is it listed under system-->preferences-->sessions? |
| 15:06.42 | Ajedrez | ¿where is the printer? |
| 15:06.50 | Ajedrez | ¿what file is the printer? |
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| 15:06.56 | Ajedrez | i put firefox 3 in 2 etch machines but i only unzip the file |
| 15:07.04 | Ajedrez | then i make a ln -s to the plugins and firefox work fine |
| 15:07.34 | Ajedrez | but firefox not find the printer that work |
| 15:07.44 | Ajedrez | ooo print good |
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| 15:07.53 | yziquel | enviouz: thanks. just saw the nm-applet thingy. When are these scripts launched? |
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| 15:08.44 | enviouz | yziquel: that i cant answer. my first thought was just to check if it had been disabled under sessions somehow. |
| 15:08.52 | Ajedrez | ¿what file is the printer? |
| 15:08.54 | Ajedrez | :( |
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| 15:09.08 | xsamurai | Are there any memory limitations with xen 3 on debian etch ? |
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| 15:09.11 | Ajedrez | how can i tell firefox where can find the printer |
| 15:09.12 | dbmoodb_ | hi why did the kernel just get an update that i can't find a change log of ? |
| 15:09.21 | dbmoodb_ | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-22etch2/changelog |
| 15:09.25 | yziquel | enviouz: nope. it's there... |
| 15:09.39 | enviouz | yziquel: perhaps checking the system logs may give some clue as to when theya re launched though. |
| 15:11.25 | enviouz | yziquel: perhaps try either a reboot or launching it manually. nm-applet --sm-disable |
| 15:12.00 | yziquel | enviouz: reboot doesn't work. That I know... |
| 15:12.09 | xsamurai | im using pae kernel yet I cannot exceed memory over 15gigs |
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| 15:13.06 | yziquel | ** (nm-applet:5923): WARNING **: <WARN> nma_dbus_init(): could not acquire its service |
| 15:13.21 | yziquel | enviouz: so definitely d-bus related... |
| 15:13.39 | yziquel | I get that when launching from a terminal |
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| 15:15.29 | enviouz | yziquel: try /etc/init.d/network-manager restart (do it as root or sudo) or even the same command but use dbus instead of networm-manager. ive nvr tried 2 restart dbus though so i cant promise your mnachine wont act weird |
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| 15:18.59 | yziquel | enviouz: weird. sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager restart doesn't complain, but doesn't seem to do much... |
| 15:21.30 | yziquel | enviouz: nm-applet --sm-disable gives the following error message: "*** (nm-applet:6669): WARNING **: <WARN> nma_dbus_init(): could not acquire its service. dbus_bus_acquire_service() says: 'Connection ":1.17 is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file' |
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| 15:21.54 | yziquel | enviouz: dunno what these security policies and this configuration file is... |
| 15:22.04 | enviouz | yziquel: let me do some digging and ill see what i can find out about that dbus warning. |
| 15:22.19 | TruckStuff | Hi, I'm mucking with yaird |
| 15:22.27 | TruckStuff | is it possible to make it ignore a device? |
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| 15:22.53 | moshii | TruckStuff: as in blacklist the module from being in the initrd/ramfs? |
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| 15:23.15 | TruckStuff | moshii: no as in ignore the device when determining modules needed |
| 15:23.25 | TruckStuff | yaird is barfing on /dev/sr0 |
| 15:23.30 | TruckStuff | which I don't need during boot |
| 15:23.54 | moshii | TruckStuff: soo, you need to blacklist whatever module creates that node then |
| 15:24.16 | yziquel | enviouz: sudo nm-applet --sm-disable yields another weird message: "** (nm-applet:6677): WARNING **: <WARN> hal_net_physdev_cb(): dbus returned an error. (org.freedesktop.Hal.NoSuchProperty) No property net.originating_device on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_00_14_blah_blah_blah_..." |
| 15:24.16 | TruckStuff | moshii: perhaps? |
| 15:24.31 | yziquel | enviouz: good luck digging. |
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| 15:25.06 | moshii | TruckStuff: it should only be adding the modules you need to get the rootfs mounted anyways. If it dies while probing that device it's probably a bug |
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| 15:25.59 | TruckStuff | moshii: I'm just running a yaird --test ATM, and it dies after "Interpreted Fstab Entries" with the following: |
| 15:26.05 | TruckStuff | yaird error: unsupported device required: sr0 (fatal) |
| 15:26.11 | enviouz | yziquel: this is as it applies for ubuntu so it may differ. but you could check out this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager?action=show&redirect=WifiDocs%2FNetworkManager#Issues |
| 15:26.20 | enviouz | in the meantime ill keep digging |
| 15:26.24 | moshii | TruckStuff: is that part of your rootfs? |
| 15:26.31 | yziquel | enviouz: thanks. Checking out this link. |
| 15:26.32 | TruckStuff | no |
| 15:26.37 | TruckStuff | its a CD drive |
| 15:27.15 | pickcoder | has anyone had problems with fail2ban invisibly stopping |
| 15:27.25 | moshii | yeah, just looked it up. does the fstab line have noauto in it? |
| 15:28.18 | TruckStuff | moshii: the fstab doesn't even have sr0, it references /dev/scd0 which does have a noauto |
| 15:28.20 | dustybin | wols: i want to setup my home network like this, is there any other virtualization solution i could use what would allow me to keep on using my 2.6.24 lenny kernel? |
| 15:28.27 | dustybin | http://empire.ispeeds.net/~subx/network2.png |
| 15:28.49 | enviouz | yziquel: where it is talking about adding yourself to the netdev group this can be done by doing the following gpasswd -a YOURUSERNAME netdev (as root or sudo) |
| 15:29.26 | moshii | TruckStuff: ah I see. maybe add a line for sr0 so that it knows you don't need it at boot |
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| 15:29.40 | TruckStuff | actually, yaird fins it here: |
| 15:29.40 | TruckStuff | sr0(11:0) in -- at pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.1/host1/target1:0:0/1:0:0:0 by -- |
| 15:29.40 | TruckStuff | [ata_generic,ata_piix,piix,ide-pci-generic,sr-mod] |
| 15:30.03 | TruckStuff | moshii: so add it to /etc/fstab with a noauto option? |
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| 15:31.16 | moshii | TruckStuff: yeah, it should be able to work out that you don't need that though :/ |
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| 15:31.50 | TruckStuff | moshii: hmmm.... the lines I mentioned above come after "Hardware modules needed for devices in /sys" |
| 15:31.54 | dbmoodb_ | hi how do i set a ip route ? |
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| 15:32.17 | TruckStuff | but its not a scsi CD either |
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| 15:32.34 | TruckStuff | so I can't even figure out why srmod is seeing it |
| 15:32.50 | wald0 | how i should use the package linux-patch-debian-2.6.25 ? these patches are applied automatically when i do make-kpkg kernel-image ? |
| 15:33.45 | moshii | TruckStuff: yeah, I did wonder that when you pasted the bits about the ide chipset etc.. unless it's scsi emulation used for some weird apps |
| 15:33.50 | yziquel | enviouz: looking into it. new to d-bus. |
| 15:33.56 | moshii | dbmoodb_: man route |
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| 15:34.07 | TruckStuff | hmmm... perhaps |
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| 15:34.22 | Simone | hi |
| 15:34.25 | Simone | !list |
| 15:34.26 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to simone |
| 15:34.48 | enviouz | yziquel: i found this as well. http://www.debianhelp.org/node/7929 the guy said he just added himself to the netdev group then restarted dbus |
| 15:35.13 | simonrvn | Simone: you know there's no actual warez here. it's very much frowned upon. |
| 15:35.20 | moshii | yziquel: if you read the README.Debian it tells you what you need to know |
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| 15:36.00 | p1ngp0ng | lol |
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| 15:36.11 | TruckStuff | hmm... removed sr-mod and got past sr0, but now its complaining about /proc/bus/input/devices |
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| 15:36.57 | enviouz | anybody else having problems with update-manager? it keeps saying tehre are updates then i open it and it always says my system is up to date.im on a fresh lenny install. |
| 15:37.08 | moshii | TruckStuff: any reason for not using initramfs-tools? |
| 15:37.40 | moshii | enviouz: have you checked with aptitude? |
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| 15:38.21 | TruckStuff | moshii: klibc doesn't seem to work well on ia64, and every binary segfaults in the initramfs |
| 15:38.23 | enviouz | moshii: tried a aptitude safe-upgrade. returned nothing. |
| 15:38.32 | rwaite | can someone help me: i have a 'fdisk -l' output and i am trying to duplicate it on another hdd. i am booted into knoppix, but there is a "W95 Ext'd (LBA)' partition, etc, and i do not know fdisk well |
| 15:39.03 | moshii | TruckStuff: that's the problem with using funny platforms ;) |
| 15:39.19 | moshii | enviouz: tried aptitude update? |
| 15:39.30 | TruckStuff | moshii: indeed |
| 15:39.41 | TruckStuff | only references I could find to the error were from 2006 |
| 15:39.48 | TruckStuff | none had reolutions attached |
| 15:39.48 | enviouz | moshii: ill try that once..brb |
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| 15:40.07 | TruckStuff | I tried updating klibc, but that was a horrible mess |
| 15:40.15 | moshii | rwaite: you want to copy the partition table or the whole disk? |
| 15:40.20 | TruckStuff | so now I'm on to yaird |
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| 15:40.57 | rwaite | well, i copied the disk using dd, also i copied each partition using dd. what i want to do is replicate the same partition scheme on a virtual machine hdd, i am booted into knoppix on the vm |
| 15:41.17 | rwaite | i took a 'fdisk -l' of the system, i want to make an identical partition scheme now |
| 15:41.21 | TruckStuff | grumbles |
| 15:41.35 | moshii | rwaite: if you copied the whole disk, you copied the partition table |
| 15:41.48 | enviouz | moshii: that did return some things to update. ill wait for it to get done then see if that solves it. first time ive ever had this issue. |
| 15:41.48 | TruckStuff | sr0 is the cdrom and if I remove sr-mod cdrom no longer works |
| 15:42.01 | rwaite | so i just dd to the hard drive from knoppix? what happens if the new hard drive is slightly larger |
| 15:42.36 | dihymo | rwaite: did you dd /dev/hda or /dev/hda1 |
| 15:42.44 | moshii | rwaite: you should be able to adjust the partition table and grow the last fs on the disk |
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| 15:42.58 | rwaite | i did both. i did a full disk dd, and i dd'd each normal (ext3) partition as well |
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| 15:43.14 | rwaite | moshii: do i have to? i dont care if a lose a few gigs |
| 15:43.29 | moshii | rwaite: you don't have to |
| 15:43.29 | rwaite | cool |
| 15:43.37 | dihymo | resizing doesn't take too long |
| 15:43.41 | moshii | rwaite: just dd the one device onto the other and it should work |
| 15:43.46 | rwaite | i will try, now i just have to figure out how to get the dd image thru ssh |
| 15:43.55 | moshii | rwaite: scp |
| 15:44.10 | rwaite | i need to pipe it, since i am in knoppix |
| 15:44.15 | rwaite | i dont have scratch space |
| 15:44.27 | rwaite | hmm |
| 15:44.28 | rwaite | scp |
| 15:44.34 | rwaite | can that output to stdout? |
| 15:44.40 | dihymo | heads up; recent update kills desktop icons and desktop menu in gnome |
| 15:44.49 | moshii | rwaite: you could scp the block device.. maybe |
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| 15:44.57 | rwaite | well no |
| 15:45.02 | rwaite | i have the hda.dd file |
| 15:45.04 | enviouz | moshii: that didnt do the trick. the icon in my notification area still says 7 updates. |
| 15:45.11 | dihymo | also kills login from lock out |
| 15:45.21 | rwaite | i just need to do scp root@host:/root/hda.dd | dd of =/dev/hda or something |
| 15:45.41 | moshii | enviouz: well, I don't know how that update widget works.. but if aptitude says there aren't any updates there probably arent |
| 15:46.13 | moshii | rwaite: you might be able to do scp user@host:/dev/hda diskimage.img |
| 15:46.16 | enviouz | moshii: ok ty. |
| 15:46.30 | rwaite | hmm |
| 15:46.46 | moshii | rwaite: block devices are files too |
| 15:46.56 | rwaite | yeah but will scp copy the same way dd does |
| 15:47.13 | moshii | rwaite: what way does dd copy? |
| 15:47.34 | dbmoodb_ | but what is wrong with ip route add default gw 10.202.2.60 |
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| 15:48.08 | moshii | dbmoodb_: what does route say when you try? |
| 15:48.14 | rwaite | moshii i dont know? |
| 15:48.42 | dbmoodb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.42 | dbmoodb_ | Error: either "to" is duplicate, or "gw" is a garbage. |
| 15:49.17 | moshii | dbmoodb_: what happens if you just use "route" |
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| 15:49.44 | moshii | rwaite: dd can do conversions on the data as it copies it.. I don't think there is much different aside from that |
| 15:49.54 | rwaite | damnit |
| 15:49.58 | dbmoodb_ | ah itworks ok |
| 15:50.02 | rwaite | i dont think scp will output to stdout |
| 15:50.21 | moshii | rwaite: ssh -c blah .. |
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| 15:51.15 | moshii | rwaite: but then you're passing the data all over the place, which you don't need to do |
| 15:51.27 | rwaite | so i could cat the hda.dd |
| 15:51.34 | rwaite | in the command |
| 15:52.05 | wald0 | why debian kernels don't has PATA enabled by default ? |
| 15:52.06 | moshii | rwaite: you would do ssh user@host -c "your command" | local command |
| 15:52.25 | moshii | rwaite: but you don't need to if scp can read the block device |
| 15:52.30 | rwaite | what would be the best way to get the contents of a dd image to stdout? cat? dd if=imagename? |
| 15:52.46 | moshii | rwaite: there is no such thing as a "dd image" |
| 15:52.53 | rwaite | i know that |
| 15:53.05 | rwaite | its a raw stream of bytes copies from the block device |
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| 15:53.20 | moshii | rwaite: also, the stuff on your drive ins't going to be ascii, utf, whatever, you don't want to pass it to stdout |
| 15:53.44 | rwaite | what? that's crazy, otherwise piping to tar, gzip, etc would never work |
| 15:53.56 | rwaite | stdout doesn't care about character codes. only bytes. |
| 15:54.25 | moshii | rwaite: ssh might care |
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| 15:54.36 | Eulex | it doesn't |
| 15:54.38 | rwaite | i'll try it |
| 15:54.54 | moshii | Eulex: still, he's doing it the long way around |
| 15:55.08 | Eulex | I've copied full disc contents via ssh by piping. it works very well. |
| 15:55.10 | jpinx | Can I run Windoze in virtualbox? |
| 15:55.11 | jelly | yay, got etchnhalf kernel to install on sarge |
| 15:55.31 | moshii | Eulex: what if something else comes out of stdout during the process? |
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| 15:56.04 | danners | jpinx: yes you can |
| 15:56.09 | Eulex | moshii, with the method I used (cat) that won't happen |
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| 15:56.38 | jpinx | danners: cool - thanks |
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| 15:56.58 | moshii | Eulex: so instead of just using scp you pipe it all over the placE? |
| 15:57.36 | Eulex | moshii, I did that to a full-disc image. I wouldn't do it with a normal file. |
| 15:57.53 | moshii | but a block device is a file |
| 15:58.20 | Eulex | I really don't believe copying it with scp will get me the contents of the drive. |
| 15:58.30 | vasco | exit |
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| 15:58.32 | apt | takes out widrone with the trash, courtesy of widrone |
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| 15:58.37 | wald0 | PATA is a bad idea to enable in kernels ? |
| 15:58.41 | jelly | jpinx: I run xp in vbox |
| 15:58.46 | moshii | Eulex: what's the difference? |
| 15:59.12 | Eulex | a block device is not a 'normal' file |
| 15:59.34 | jpinx | jelly: that's what I want to do - and get rid of my dual boot |
| 15:59.42 | Eulex | moshii, try opening one in vim, for example. it won't work. |
| 15:59.51 | moshii | Eulex: but for all intents and purposes it's a file |
| 15:59.55 | rwaite | damnit |
| 16:00.02 | rwaite | i dont have access to the drive anymore |
| 16:00.12 | rwaite | i copied it with dd because of that |
| 16:00.12 | moshii | Eulex: that's vim doing a sanity check |
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| 16:00.33 | rwaite | the "dd image" should be identical to anything i can read from the original device |
| 16:00.56 | moshii | rwaite: so would any other tool. they should all use the same syscalls |
| 16:01.05 | dustybin | is there any possible way to get a 2.6.24 xen kernel working on a debian host? |
| 16:01.18 | dustybin | as a work around until one is released |
| 16:01.26 | jpinx | jelly: as a matter of interest - can I dd my XP to the virtualbox? I don't have the CD's to do a fresh install |
| 16:01.37 | rwaite | okay then, so how is copying the dd file over the network and outputting it onto the device going the long way? it's the only way as far as i see |
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| 16:02.30 | Eulex | moshii, I even tried it. for an scp file, the hdd device file appeared to have a size of 0. and I got access denied when I tried to download it (yes, I was logged in as root). |
| 16:03.09 | rwaite | dd has to be doing something different, or else no one would use it. they'd just cat the device |
| 16:03.35 | moshii | rwaite: dd can apply filters |
| 16:03.52 | rwaite | i see |
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| 16:04.01 | olaf | hello |
| 16:04.04 | rwaite | i mean i understand the fundamental design of unix, everything is a file, blah blah blah |
| 16:04.11 | rwaite | but there are corner cases |
| 16:04.16 | Eulex | and well, the command line scp client produced scp: /dev/hda: not a regular file |
| 16:04.25 | olaf | i am installing a proxy server base on debian |
| 16:04.25 | moshii | Eulex: I'm just going to try it, I did say "if" scp would do it |
| 16:04.28 | rwaite | man i really need a mountain due |
| 16:04.31 | olaf | we want to customise the debian installer |
| 16:04.33 | antgel | pam points out (via logcheck) my system has no /etc/environment file. i assume it's okay to add an ignore rule? i don't recall /etc/environment being overly useful, and if i needed it surely <some package> would create it? i've never noticed a debian system without it though - wondering if i moronically deleted it |
| 16:04.47 | olaf | for add our package, our logo, our init script but at the start of the install |
| 16:04.48 | antgel | !tell olaf about enter |
| 16:05.03 | olaf | antgel, ? |
| 16:05.15 | antgel | olaf: what the dpkg bot should have told you |
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| 16:05.25 | olaf | antgel, nothing |
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| 16:05.50 | antgel | olaf: i'm assuming you know how to use your irc client. he should have told you. |
| 16:05.51 | olaf | i mean custome the redhat and centos installer with the anaconda-runtime |
| 16:05.54 | antgel | !enter |
| 16:05.55 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 16:06.21 | olaf | antgel, ok then you don t have the answer? |
| 16:06.30 | dustybin | !tell dustybin about wwlr |
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| 16:07.28 | antgel | olaf: only the answer to help you be better understood, make it more likely that you'll get a good answer from somebody who knows |
| 16:07.38 | moshii | Eulex: yup, looks like scp doesn't like blocks.. did there's no reason to use dd.. it's not going to produce "better" data |
| 16:07.53 | stew | olaf: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller |
| 16:07.56 | antgel | olaf: also, i don't think you have actually asked a question |
| 16:08.01 | olaf | stew, thank you |
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| 16:11.15 | jelly | jpinx: no idea. you could create a virtual disk of exact same size, copy the original mbr and windows partition, but I have no idea how XP copes with changes in hardware |
| 16:11.44 | LemensTS | in rsnapshot.conf, i want to store my snapshots on a remote server...i tried snapshot_root ssh root@www.myserver.com:/Storage/rsnapshot/ that did not work, gave errors when i did a configtest |
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| 16:12.04 | antgel | which package creates /etc/environment? dpkg -S, apt-file search, and find /var/lib/dpkg/info/ -exec grep -H '/etc/environment' {} \; aren't being too helpful |
| 16:12.06 | jpinx | jelly: Thanks - sounds like I'm going to be experimenting - again ;) |
| 16:12.07 | o[-_-]o | hi |
| 16:12.40 | plb_ | Anyone know how hot a laptop with an AMD 64 Turion X2 would run? |
| 16:13.12 | stew | antgel: i'm not even sure a new install would have /etc/environment these days |
| 16:14.11 | jelly | isn't even sure /etc/environment works if created |
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| 16:14.38 | danners | antgel: on a relatively new lenny install /etc/environment exists but it is empty |
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| 16:16.59 | stew | jelly: it does if "pam_env.so readenv=1" is in /etc/pam.d/login or so |
| 16:17.01 | Eulex | moshii, right |
| 16:17.22 | jelly | yay for pam_env? |
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| 16:18.26 | Laeborg | okey now im installing windows XP on my laptop. I want to make a dual boot. Should i take the FAT32 or NTFS filesystem? |
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| 16:18.30 | rwaite | i wonder how long it's going to take to transfer 40 gigs over ssh |
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| 16:19.02 | Laeborg | well almost sure that despends on your bandwitdh |
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| 16:19.25 | LemensTS | how do i mount a direcotry on another server to my local server? |
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| 16:19.27 | rwaite | local 100baseT |
| 16:20.02 | sousuke | Laeborg: NTFS |
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| 16:20.29 | asg | LemensTS: nfs, cifs / smb, sshfs. There are lots of other ways the those mentioned are common. |
| 16:20.36 | sousuke | LemensTS: smb |
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| 16:22.29 | failure | if i have a question regarding debian installer, can i ask it herE? |
| 16:22.33 | LemensTS | sousuke: this is between 2 linux boxes is SMB good for that |
| 16:22.45 | LemensTS | (ive used it betweeen linux to windows) |
| 16:22.45 | sousuke | not really |
| 16:22.58 | LemensTS | Ok ill try SSHFS |
| 16:23.05 | failure | ok ill try this anyways. |
| 16:23.05 | stew | failure: sure |
| 16:23.18 | failure | midway through the install process I see: http://picasaweb.google.com/mrbrian/Ubuntu/photo#5237377162191570850 |
| 16:23.20 | pumpkin0 | LemensTS: sshfs is slow, but easy to use. |
| 16:23.44 | KiDFlaSh | http://pastebin.com/m3f19f493 <-- is that normal output? |
| 16:23.45 | LemensTS | Pumpkin: what do you recommend |
| 16:23.51 | failure | And all of my d-i options are english. en_US and us |
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| 16:24.35 | KiDFlaSh | . http://pastebin.com/d32bb9349 <-- that input was yesterday after using "chown" |
| 16:24.40 | pumpkin0 | LemensTS: only 1 client and the server does not work with the partition? nbd. |
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| 16:26.25 | stew | failure: which version of the installer is this? |
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| 16:26.39 | failure | stew.... uhm |
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| 16:27.09 | failure | the latest? |
| 16:27.16 | failure | let me check |
| 16:27.30 | stew | failure: the latest meanining what? stable? a testing daily? |
| 16:27.40 | failure | stable.. |
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| 16:27.51 | failure | whichever one comes with the latest version the ubuntu o/s |
| 16:28.00 | rwaite | im using netcat now, since it does not need to encrypt the data |
| 16:28.04 | failure | let me see if i can find out |
| 16:28.14 | stew | failure: oh, if you are talking about ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu |
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| 16:28.40 | failure | yes but its debian installer |
| 16:29.22 | olaf | for customize a redhat installation we can use the anaconda-runtime tools, what is the tools i have to use for customize a debian installation? |
| 16:29.31 | SpeedyG | it's ubuntu's debian-installer, so go ask in #ubuntu.. #debian people don't know what ubuntu-folks have done with the installer |
| 16:29.37 | stew | failure: yes, i believe ubuntu uses the debian-installer, ask them about it in #ubuntu |
| 16:30.35 | olaf | customize mean add our package, our script, our application , our logo, our driver |
| 16:30.56 | failure | and by our you mean Debian's |
| 16:31.24 | stew | olaf: there is a page about customizing the installer on the wiki |
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| 16:32.30 | failure | #ubuntu sucks. |
| 16:32.50 | stew | failure: sorry, we can't help you with that. perhaps try a ubuntu web forum or mailing list |
| 16:32.55 | failure | i think im better off with the forums |
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| 16:33.50 | Masterkiller | hey where do i set a JAVA_HOME environment variable? |
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| 16:34.32 | SpeedyG | failure: I think you'd be better off installing debian :P |
| 16:34.41 | stew | Masterkiller: usually its not necessary, if you have some app that needs it, make a wrapper script for the application that sets it before starting the app |
| 16:34.44 | rdz | hi all. is there a guide about how to write /etc/init.d scripts? |
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| 16:35.05 | Masterkiller | stew, thanks for the reply, i'm tryin gto start tomcat and its telling me the variable isnt set =/ |
| 16:35.05 | stew | rdz: there is /etc/init.d/skeleton and /etc/init.d/README |
| 16:35.13 | rdz | stew, thanks a lot |
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| 16:42.17 | olaf | just did a apt-get upgrade |
| 16:42.43 | olaf | if i enter the commande "uname -ar" it print: 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 16:43.09 | olaf | it s the last kernel image packaging by debian? |
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| 16:43.53 | olaf | www.kernel.org ---> The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.26.3 |
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| 16:44.36 | BarnacleBob | is etch testing the same as lenny? |
| 16:44.36 | stew | olaf: there is a 2.6.24 kernel in stable as well. apt-cache search -n linux-image |
| 16:45.07 | stew | BarnacleBob: there is no "etch testing" the current stable release of debian is codenamed etch, the current testing release of debian is codenamed lenny |
| 16:45.15 | BarnacleBob | ahhh! |
| 16:45.22 | stew | olaf: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 16:45.23 | BarnacleBob | so if i see the src .... testing main |
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| 16:45.31 | BarnacleBob | it would be the same as if i put src .... lenny main |
| 16:45.32 | BarnacleBob | right? |
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| 16:46.24 | stew | BarnacleBob: yes, for now. however, soon lenny should be released. if you have "lenny" in sources.list you'll be running stable when lenny releases. if you have "testing" in sources.list, you'll switch to the new testing that will replace lenny once lenny releases |
| 16:46.40 | Gillpy | when I run make gconfig I get these errors, but I think I have all the necessary packages installed. What packages should I check ? |
| 16:46.43 | Gillpy | * Unable to find the GTK+ installation. Please make sure that |
| 16:46.46 | Gillpy | * the GTK+ 2.0 development package is correctly installed... |
| 16:46.48 | Gillpy | * You need gtk+-2.0, glib-2.0 and libglade-2.0. |
| 16:47.22 | BarnacleBob | stew ah! so i should change to specifiying specifically |
| 16:47.32 | BarnacleBob | so i upgrade only when i am prepared |
| 16:47.37 | BarnacleBob | stew thanks for the info |
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| 16:50.01 | daran | hello, can someone suggest a nice IM that works with yahoo for console ? |
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| 16:50.36 | unop | zinc |
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| 16:50.40 | SerajewelKS | daran: finch |
| 16:50.59 | midoi | finch = pidgin for terminal |
| 16:51.04 | daran | are those in stable ? |
| 16:51.23 | SerajewelKS | daran: check? |
| 16:51.32 | daran | says not found for both |
| 16:52.18 | SerajewelKS | finch is in etch-backports |
| 16:52.48 | amphi | daran: or perhaps look into bitlbee and your favorite irc client |
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| 16:53.42 | rwaite | pidgin is such a dumb name |
| 16:54.33 | daran | SerajewelKS: what do i have to add to fetch from backports ? |
| 16:54.55 | olaf | then i did a apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 but uname -ar print 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 16:55.36 | olaf | my fault i have to manipulate /boot i think .. |
| 16:55.49 | daran | olaf: did you reboot and selected 2.4 from grub/lilo menu ? |
| 16:55.56 | unop | Pidgin: Language with a very limited vocabulary and a simplified grammar. Pidgins usually arise to permit communication between groups with no language in common; if a pidgin becomes established as the native language of a group, it is known as a Creole. |
| 16:56.07 | unop | a great name actually |
| 16:56.14 | stew | olaf: which bootloader do you use/ |
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| 16:56.24 | unixSnob | daran: "deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free" |
| 16:56.28 | olaf | stew, grub |
| 16:56.38 | unixSnob | daran: add that to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:56.43 | daran | unixSnob: cheers |
| 16:56.47 | olaf | don t have any screen |
| 16:56.53 | olaf | i have to configure the grub.conf then |
| 16:56.59 | stew | olaf: then the bootloader should be updated for you automatically, provided your /etc/kernel-img.conf contains a postinst_hook calling 'update-grub' |
| 16:57.18 | rwaite | unop: what universe are you from? i understand the linguistic connotations, but i'd rather use a client called ShitDick |
| 16:57.42 | stew | olaf: its menu.lst not grub.conf and you shouldn't have to manually edit, it, 'update-grub' should fix it for you, and installing the new package should cause 'update-grub' to get called automatically |
| 16:57.49 | unop | rwaite, you don't have to say much more :) |
| 16:58.05 | olaf | stew, then you mean a simple reboot will upgrade it? |
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| 16:58.40 | stew | olaf: it should just require a reboot. does "grep update-grub /etc/kernel-img.conf" return matches? |
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| 16:59.12 | rwaite | stupid netcat keeps giving EOF |
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| 16:59.21 | unixSnob | I have two kernels.. the stable one (2.6.18) and 2.6.25-2. Now Synapse wants to install 2.6.18-6. Will it be smart enough to merely replace 2.6.18, and leave the newer kernel alone? |
| 16:59.30 | olaf | stew, the value update-grub matched at tag postinst_hook and postrm_hook |
| 17:00.36 | stew | olaf: then yes, grub should be updated, and you should just need to reboot to run the new kernel |
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| 17:02.31 | BarnacleBob | when using a mixed system with debian. is there a way to craft your preferences file so that "apt-get -t distribution install package" can be specified so that a regular apt-get upgrade/install would pull down the new distribution file instead of the default? |
| 17:03.05 | jelly | unixSnob: synaptic? different kernel versions are different packages, so if you installed eg. linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 manually, it won't be touched at all when a different package, say linux-image-2.6.18-6-686, gets upgraded |
| 17:03.09 | stew | BarnacleBob: /msg dpkg quick lenny/sid mix |
| 17:03.15 | BarnacleBob | thanks |
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| 17:03.40 | stew | BarnacleBob: mixing testing and unstable is usually ok, its is not recomended to mix stable with testing or unstable however |
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| 17:03.51 | olaf | stew, thank you for you help i have a new kernel now |
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| 17:04.20 | unixSnob | jelly: yeah, synaptic is probably what I meant. I did not install 2.6.25-2-amd64 manually.. I used aptitude. Does that make a difference? |
| 17:04.23 | BarnacleBob | stew well my developers have insisted on a version of ruby that is only in testing. and i'm running stable. so i'm kinda stuck |
| 17:04.55 | multi_io | is there a reliable, automatic way to find out the PID of the pppd that currently handles a given pppx interface? |
| 17:05.05 | BarnacleBob | stew the dpkg help just shows me the same thing. install the package using apt-get install -t distro. i need to specify it in the files, because i am using puppet to install stuff and cannot change the args to apt-get |
| 17:05.05 | jelly | unixSnob: I mean, if you explicitely installed that one (using any tool) |
| 17:05.06 | abrotman | BarnacleBob: they'll get what they get and like it! |
| 17:05.13 | BarnacleBob | lol i wish |
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| 17:06.59 | unixSnob | jelly: okay, thanks. And just to clarify... installing 2.6.18-6-amd64 will be yet a third kernel parallel to the other two, or it will replace 2.6.18? And if it replaces 2.6.18, how would I know to expect that behavior? |
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| 17:08.10 | jelly | unixSnob: there is no package named just "linux-image-2.6.18". |
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| 17:08.29 | abrotman | that'd be silly! |
| 17:08.45 | unixSnob | jelly: that was a shorthand... I don't really know the proper name for my current 2.6.18 kernel |
| 17:08.52 | Mooloo | hi, how would i get a list of packages that i manually installed (i.e. not dependencies). i've seen this autoremove, so i'd like that data for when i reinstall |
| 17:08.53 | o[-_-]o | don't know |
| 17:09.10 | jelly | unixSnob: find it out, then. It'll be linux-image-$(uname -r) |
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| 17:09.15 | n3kl | Mooloo: dpkg --list |
| 17:09.32 | abrotman | Mooloo: /msg dpkg installed |
| 17:09.37 | abrotman | n3kl: that will give him all |
| 17:09.46 | jelly | o[-_-]o: are you a bot? |
| 17:09.52 | n3kl | as opposed to manually installed? |
| 17:09.55 | abrotman | Mooloo: also .. if you want a package list .. /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 17:09.59 | abrotman | n3kl: he said not deps |
| 17:10.03 | n3kl | ah |
| 17:10.06 | unixSnob | jelly: strange... I seem to already have linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64. Why would Synaptic ask me to upgrade to it? |
| 17:10.11 | abrotman | security |
| 17:10.12 | n3kl | !tell me about installed |
| 17:10.14 | abrotman | !tell unixSnob about dsa |
| 17:10.15 | Mooloo | what would be easiest to use in a reinstall? |
| 17:10.19 | abrotman | !tell n3kl about selftell |
| 17:10.25 | jelly | unixSnob: because there's a newer version available |
| 17:10.32 | n3kl | abrotman: alright |
| 17:10.35 | Mooloo | dpkg won't say anything back, heh |
| 17:10.38 | abrotman | !installed |
| 17:10.38 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 17:10.39 | n3kl | its just more fun |
| 17:10.41 | Lagbolt | lots of telling |
| 17:10.59 | unixSnob | okay, thanks folks... sounds like I can expect synaptic to do the right thing |
| 17:11.12 | abrotman | Mooloo: if you /msg dpkg foo .. he should respond in a msg window |
| 17:11.30 | Mooloo | this is fresh xchat, maybe i ignore messages but i don't see anything |
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| 17:11.53 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Mooloo about installed |
| 17:11.54 | soulchild | HI all,... where does icedove save the profile settings ? |
| 17:11.55 | jelly | Mooloo: expect a new tab with dpkg's private messages only |
| 17:12.05 | Mooloo | that worked when he did it |
| 17:12.11 | abrotman | i'm special |
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| 17:12.19 | Mooloo | must be ignoring me :) |
| 17:12.27 | abrotman | oh .. you're versanet .. maybe |
| 17:12.29 | unixSnob | jelly: i would think a "newer version" would come with a version number increment.. anyway... good to know |
| 17:12.30 | n3kl | soulchild: ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/ |
| 17:12.31 | jelly | Mooloo: it could be your nickname is not registered |
| 17:12.34 | abrotman | !phillysmite leftStanding |
| 17:12.35 | dpkg | smites leftStanding with a Mummer |
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| 17:12.37 | jelly | unixSnob: it does. |
| 17:12.42 | bernhard | hi! How do I set icedove my default mailer so when I click a mailto link in iceweasel it opens an icedove composer window instead of asking me to configure evolution? |
| 17:12.53 | jelly | unixSnob: apt-cache policy linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 17:12.54 | abrotman | bernhard: in gnome? |
| 17:13.05 | abrotman | jeez .. you hit someone with a mummer .. and they just drop |
| 17:13.07 | bernhard | yes |
| 17:13.18 | abrotman | bernhard: it's in your "Preferred Applications" |
| 17:13.26 | bernhard | ok, I'll see. |
| 17:13.26 | abrotman | IIRC anyways |
| 17:13.42 | Mooloo | ok, this dpkg -l thing lists all packages, but it doesn't matter if i just cat that file and pipe it to apt-get i'll get the same system back, right? cause i have some testing and unstable mix. |
| 17:14.00 | jelly | unixSnob: the package name is "linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64" and it doesn't change. The version does change, however |
| 17:14.02 | abrotman | Mooloo: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 17:14.10 | Mooloo | !tell me about clone |
| 17:14.17 | n3kl | Mooloo: I think you are talking more about get-selections and set-selections |
| 17:14.32 | bernhard | And I need to change the yellow highlighting of nicks in irssi when someone says my nick 'coz there is too little contrast. |
| 17:14.33 | Lagbolt | mooloo did you not just get selftell? or was that someone else |
| 17:14.33 | Mooloo | probably. i didn't use a gui though |
| 17:14.42 | Mooloo | i didn't the bot won't respond to me |
| 17:14.51 | Lagbolt | !tell Mooloo about debian clone |
| 17:14.56 | Mooloo | thanks |
| 17:14.59 | unixSnob | bernhard: you want #irssi.. they'll know |
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| 17:15.02 | bernhard | ok |
| 17:15.04 | Lagbolt | mooloo you cant ask to tell yourself |
| 17:15.11 | bernhard | thx bye |
| 17:15.22 | Lagbolt | Mooloo, instead type /msg dpkg foo . . . e.g. /msg dpkg debian clone |
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| 17:15.30 | jelly | Lagbolt: yes you can, but it's considered being rude to the rest of the channe; |
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| 17:15.50 | n3kl | I have been known to be rude on occasion |
| 17:15.52 | soulchild | Is there a way to get stable versions of firefox and iceweasel in lenny ? (Except apt-get install iceweasel icedove ) |
| 17:16.00 | Mooloo | as i said, it ignores my messages. but thanks, that should do it |
| 17:16.04 | jelly | Lagbolt: /msg dpkg ... doesn't work for him, hence all the !tells |
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| 17:16.05 | soulchild | *first iceweasel=thunderbird |
| 17:16.08 | Lagbolt | jelly, hmm ok. seems like if it is rude and people dont want it then the bot souldnt do it. why not just disable that then? |
| 17:16.33 | jelly | Lagbolt: ask the bot owner? |
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| 17:16.41 | soulchild | !tell soulchild about bot |
| 17:16.45 | Lagbolt | jelly, why does /msg dpkg not work for him? crazy |
| 17:16.55 | jelly | Lagbolt: I have no idea |
| 17:17.00 | Lagbolt | wierd |
| 17:17.02 | Lagbolt | oh well |
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| 17:17.23 | unixSnob | jelly: the output looks like this => http://rafb.net/p/kjQpDq26.html looks like the trailing "etch2" is the indicator that it's been updated, right? |
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| 17:18.13 | snake_ | why is there no killall command? |
| 17:18.21 | soulchild | When is lenny going to become stable ? |
| 17:18.24 | snake_ | and why would this distro not come with telnet by default? |
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| 17:18.29 | jelly | !tell soulchild -about wwlr |
| 17:18.43 | tarzeau | snake_: install it or use pkill? |
| 17:18.43 | jelly | snake_: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:18.58 | deadcat_ | i am getting a lot of ssh brute force attack on my server lately. any reason? |
| 17:19.11 | n3kl | snake_: its in psmisc |
| 17:19.19 | tarzeau | deadcat_: we all do |
| 17:19.20 | jelly | deadcat_: yeah, your machine is on the internet |
| 17:19.34 | tarzeau | deadcat_: because you run an ssh daemon on port 22. use tcpwrappers to limit access to it |
| 17:19.37 | deadcat_ | its just the last few days i see a bunch. usually i dont see any |
| 17:19.53 | rwaite | x11vnc ftw |
| 17:19.57 | jelly | deadcat_: they just found out about you! lucky guy |
| 17:20.00 | deadcat_ | tarzeau: oh.. its pretty secure. i just wonder why. |
| 17:20.07 | deadcat_ | jelly: shiet (= |
| 17:20.14 | trac | hi. if I want a server to send all mail (even local mail) over an external smtp server how do i accomplish that? Install a local smtpd and configure it to use a smarthost? |
| 17:20.19 | stew | deadcat_: welcome to the internet |
| 17:20.31 | rwaite | welcome to costco, i love you |
| 17:20.38 | tarzeau | deadcat_: i didn't have any doubts on that |
| 17:20.40 | stew | trac: there are packages to specifically do this, like ssmtp and nullmailer |
| 17:20.41 | jelly | trac: yes. a very simple one is "ssmtp" |
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| 17:21.35 | trac | background is that i have a rootserver with multiple xen domUs installed and I want to get all mail on one mailserver (one of the domUs) |
| 17:21.52 | trac | thanks will take a look at ssmtp and nullmailer |
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| 17:22.10 | Mooloo | can i make a cd image from a selection file? |
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| 17:23.21 | keith4 | so, I just upgraded lenny to kernel 2.6.25-2-686. now module-assistant fails to build the nvidia module, claiming i'm running a xen kernel |
| 17:23.47 | abrotman | keith4: google "xen nvidia linux ignore" |
| 17:24.01 | abrotman | something IGNORE_XEN_PRECENSE |
| 17:24.10 | jelly | abrotman: no factoid? |
| 17:24.27 | abrotman | jelly: i use my own internal database! :) |
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| 17:24.48 | abrotman | but uh .. spell presence correctly :) |
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| 17:24.53 | jelly | [12:6510] Internal Database Corrupted |
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| 17:24.54 | Crypticfortune_ | yay happy birthday! |
| 17:25.09 | rwaite | i need a knoppix like live cd with a xfce wm and geared towards utilities |
| 17:25.16 | jelly | someone remove the belated b'day from the topic |
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| 17:25.32 | *** topic/#debian by abrotman -> /msg dpkg dsa1571 | 4.0r4 /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | Offtopic: #debian-offtopic | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people |
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| 17:25.37 | jelly | abrotman: thanks! |
| 17:25.52 | abrotman | probably could have taken the dsa too .. oh well |
| 17:25.54 | jelly | Crypticfortune_: it was actually a week or so ago ;-) |
| 17:26.00 | Nenillo | hi, I just bought a new mobo and tried to run my old debian installation, but I need to do acpi=off in the kernel parameters to boot, why is this? |
| 17:26.10 | Crypticfortune_ | jelly: ahh oh well. i happy belated birthday then ^^ |
| 17:26.24 | keith4 | abrotman: googleing "xen nvidia linux ignore" not really helpful. googling "IGNORE_XEN_PRESENCE" very helpful |
| 17:26.28 | jelly | !hug Crypticfortune_ |
| 17:26.28 | dpkg | gives Crypticfortune_ a hug |
| 17:26.29 | Mooloo | ok, one last question, is there a way to list files that were not created by packages, or modified (especially in etc)? maybe excluding home |
| 17:26.36 | abrotman | keith4: was that sarcasm? |
| 17:26.49 | keith4 | abrotman: nope |
| 17:26.53 | abrotman | keith4: i got it to come up the other day .. using roughly those terms |
| 17:27.33 | keith4 | of course, it dies for some other reason, but it isn't bitching about xen anymore ;-) |
| 17:27.35 | jelly | abrotman: you are a sick person. |
| 17:27.59 | abrotman | keith4: i know the third link down has it .. the thinkwiki link |
| 17:28.15 | Crypticfortune_ | now question time. anyone have any idea what could cause this strange behaviour in auth.log? http://rafb.net/p/ALzQ2p45.html it stopped when I killed gdm (no one ever logged it, it was just sitting there...) |
| 17:28.21 | abrotman | jelly: why? |
| 17:28.50 | jelly | abrotman: you got it to come up! oh nm |
| 17:28.53 | keith4 | abrotman: ok. will check. thanks muchly, as usual |
| 17:29.05 | abrotman | keith4: oh well .. it was close! |
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| 17:29.56 | abrotman | Crypticfortune_: strange? |
| 17:29.58 | keith4 | abrotman: wait. this is about getting nvidia working with xen, isn't it? |
| 17:30.18 | abrotman | it is? |
| 17:30.25 | abrotman | runs around in a circle and falls down |
| 17:30.31 | abrotman | keith4: isn't that what you asked for? |
| 17:30.38 | keith4 | my point was that I'm not using xen, and that it's incorrectly identifying my kernel as a xen kernel |
| 17:31.12 | abrotman | all kernels in lenny have xen enabled |
| 17:31.15 | Crypticfortune_ | abrotman: why would root be su'ing itself continuously? and what's with the "+ ??? root:root" thing? |
| 17:31.23 | n3kl | keith4: how are you installing nvidia driver on lenny anyway? I didn't think it was possible, yet |
| 17:31.29 | keith4 | abrotman: aw, crap |
| 17:32.02 | keith4 | n3kl: grabbing nvidia-kernel-source from sid, and then building it using m-a on lenny |
| 17:32.02 | abrotman | Crypticfortune_: what else happens at 1Am on your box? |
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| 17:32.12 | abrotman | n3kl: it is through black magic |
| 17:32.13 | draft | hi |
| 17:32.17 | keith4 | abrotman: just kidding. setting IGNORE_XEN_PRESENCE to non-zero seems to work |
| 17:32.23 | Lagbolt | n3kl, ask dpkg about nvidia lenny |
| 17:32.27 | Crypticfortune_ | n3kl: it works (ask dpkg about nvidia_lenny for details) |
| 17:32.43 | _ZeuZ_ | actually, he's got to ask about nvidia_post_etch |
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| 17:32.58 | abrotman | !nvidia xen is <reply>export IGNORE_XEN_PRESENCE=1 helps |
| 17:32.58 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 17:33.12 | keith4 | nvidia-Lenny_1, actually |
| 17:33.12 | abrotman | that wasn't very useful :( |
| 17:33.12 | draft | I have 2 computers on debian connected via USB. does anyone know how to exchange data between computers please ? |
| 17:34.00 | keith4 | draft: you need fancy usb controllers to do that |
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| 17:34.07 | Lagbolt | draft, maybe http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/ |
| 17:34.11 | keith4 | wow. dpkg tells about some very-complicated way of doing nvidia+lenny |
| 17:34.17 | keith4 | it's not really that hard |
| 17:34.24 | Lagbolt | draft, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/connecting-two-computers-with-a-usb-cable-data-cable-411073/ |
| 17:34.25 | Crypticfortune_ | abrotman: nothing in particular. i just turned it on and it started doing that until i killed gdm (the paste is a short snippet, the same thing repeats for about 8 megs) |
| 17:35.54 | draft | Lagbolt, thanks |
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| 17:37.33 | rwaite | damnit |
| 17:37.40 | rwaite | this is so stupid |
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| 17:38.19 | Crypticfortune_ | interestingly it's only _that_ machine (one of about a dozen that all boot the NFS root)....something about that machine's hardware must be causing gdm to freak out. any way to snoop on what gdm is doing with all that su business? |
| 17:38.39 | Crypticfortune_ | s/boot the NFS root/boot the same NFS root/ |
| 17:39.04 | keith4 | yay it works (remembered to upgrade nvidia-glx to the same version, finally) |
| 17:39.20 | BarnacleBob | anyone have an example preferences/sources.list/apt.conf for how to track etch but install a couple packages from lenny |
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| 17:40.39 | thomas | hello. |
| 17:40.47 | simNIX | Im trying to learn howto use xrn Usenet reader - I cant find out howto set login/password to use ... |
| 17:41.40 | thomas | I would like a forward to a internal openvpn ip(:port). if i go to 192.168.100.1:5500 (eth0) then should this forward to 10.55.0.2:5500 (10.55.0.X = tap0) |
| 17:41.46 | thomas | is it posible? |
| 17:42.15 | thomas | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --destination 192.168.100.1 --dport 5500 -j DNAT --to 10.55.0.2:5500 |
| 17:42.18 | thomas | this works not |
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| 17:43.56 | n3kl | thomas: since you are natting, the destination I think should be removed |
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| 17:45.08 | thomas | n3kl: you mean: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 5500 -j DNAT --to 10.55.0.2:5500 ? |
| 17:45.25 | keith4 | ew! why isn't iceweasel 3.x a different package name?! |
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| 17:45.38 | n3kl | thomas: yes, but also, if you are not mangling the port, you just do --to 10.55.0.2, leave off the dnat port |
| 17:45.54 | zinx | keith4: 'cuz. enjoy your 3.x, ha ha ha. |
| 17:46.03 | n3kl | thomas: actually, I think that is more likely the reason it is not working |
| 17:46.10 | keith4 | sonofabitch |
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| 17:46.20 | keith4 | none of my plugins work |
| 17:46.24 | keith4 | shakes his fist |
| 17:46.24 | zinx | keith4: upgrade them |
| 17:46.26 | n3kl | sono fab itch |
| 17:46.44 | thomas | n3kl: how i can sniff a the port 5500 ? |
| 17:46.45 | thomas | tcpdump ? |
| 17:46.50 | n3kl | thomas: tcpdump |
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| 17:49.14 | Crypticfortune_ | thomas: you might also want to check out wireshark |
| 17:49.26 | thomas | Crypticfortune_: have only a console :/ |
| 17:49.38 | Crypticfortune_ | thomas: then maybe not ;) |
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| 17:49.55 | keith4 | zinx: really the only one I care about is google browser sync, unfortunately |
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| 17:51.21 | Crypticfortune_ | keith4: check out foxmarks (you can use your own webdav server and never even have to register with them) |
| 17:51.39 | keith4 | oh, sweet! |
| 17:51.54 | idimmu | is there a list of orphaned packages somewhere looking for maintainers? |
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| 17:52.10 | Mooloo | how do i see what drivers are in a netinst image? i tried an amd64 image and it doesn't have a driver for my wired card (BCM5787M) and the iwl4965 driver for wireless doesn't work, maybe the mobile version is different. |
| 17:52.19 | keith4 | !beer Crypticfortune_ |
| 17:52.20 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Gulden Drak for Crypticfortune_ |
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| 17:53.29 | stew | idimmu: http://debian.org/devel/wnpp |
| 17:53.36 | idimmu | cheers |
| 17:54.35 | PeskyJ | with debian packages, is there a section somewhere that contains install notes relating specifically to what the debian install does and doesn't do? |
| 17:55.11 | stew | idimmu: or http://bugs.debian.org/wnpp but i'd recommend using a text browser for that, iceweasel and the like take eleventy billion seconds to render that page |
| 17:55.19 | idimmu | haha |
| 17:55.22 | idimmu | ok |
| 17:55.49 | stew | PeskyJ: /usr/share/doc/$packagename/README.Debian |
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| 17:57.48 | PeskyJ | stew: thanks, that's useful to know :) There isn't one in this case. |
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| 17:59.24 | rdz | how to create a proper /etc/init.d script with a program, that doesn't fork to background? |
| 17:59.36 | rdz | or in other words: how to make a daemon out of it? |
| 17:59.37 | stew | rdz: start-stop-daemon can help with that |
| 17:59.50 | rdz | stew, i'll check the man page |
| 17:59.52 | rdz | stew, thanks |
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| 17:59.56 | PeskyJ | stew: I just installed libphp-phpmailer and I find I have to go and add /usr/share/php/libphp-phpmailer to the include path in php.ini... I don't mind doing this but It's often not clear to me exactly what extra niceties apt-get does, for example when I installed phpmyadmin it did everything for me.. |
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| 18:01.39 | dustybin | tells the debian coders to hurry up and release the xen lenny host kernel |
| 18:01.56 | stew | PeskyJ: file a wishlist bug against the package to either add documentation to README.Debian explaining what needs to be done, or if it requires something in the php.ini to consider including a file in /etc/php5/conf.d (or both) |
| 18:02.01 | stew | PeskyJ: (/msg dpkg reportbug) |
| 18:02.18 | stew | dustybin: you mean the xensource coders, not the debian coders |
| 18:02.23 | dustybin | aye |
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| 18:02.42 | dustybin | stew: does that xen lenny kernel need to be released before lenny is released? |
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| 18:03.06 | stew | dustybin: it means lenny wont initially ship a dom0 capable kernel |
| 18:03.15 | dustybin | dam |
| 18:03.28 | dustybin | :-( |
| 18:03.52 | stew | dustybin: if you want more details, there was a rather lengthy thread on lists.debian.org/debian-devel about this in the last month or so |
| 18:03.52 | dustybin | no xen for me then |
| 18:03.58 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 18:04.27 | dustybin | stew: that means my dream wont happen: http://empire.ispeeds.net/~subx/network2.png |
| 18:04.41 | dustybin | goes back to drawing board |
| 18:04.47 | netcrash | anyone know how to use a smstools with huawei e220 ? |
| 18:05.20 | stew | dustybin: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/07/msg00305.html |
| 18:06.02 | jelly | dustybin: there's nothing stopping you from using a custom kernel |
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| 18:06.22 | stew | afaik, you'd have to use 2.6.18-4 |
| 18:06.52 | BarnacleBob | when using apt-get upgrade and package pinning i do an apt-get upgrade but it tells me "the following packages have been kept back:" for the ones i want it to upgrade to lenny |
| 18:06.52 | stew | (which is the kernel that xensource officially supports for running dom0 aiui) |
| 18:06.58 | dustybin | jelly: i thought you debian folk were against using anything 'custom' :P |
| 18:07.01 | stew | BarnacleBob: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 18:07.04 | BarnacleBob | how can i get it to tell me *why* they have been kept back |
| 18:07.06 | BarnacleBob | woot |
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| 18:07.31 | jelly | dustybin: personally I use what works and is most easily maintainable |
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| 18:07.38 | dustybin | stew: aye ok |
| 18:07.41 | BarnacleBob | thanks stew |
| 18:07.41 | jelly | dustybin: in many cases this means Debian |
| 18:07.57 | dustybin | im going to have to research some other virtualization options, maybe virtualbox |
| 18:08.20 | dustybin | but those are hypervisors type-2 |
| 18:08.22 | dustybin | :-( |
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| 18:11.45 | jelly | dustybin: frankly I wasn't aware that Xen upstream was that crappy and ran only on a handful of kernel versions |
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| 18:12.29 | jelly | dustybin: (from that thread) http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/07/msg00476.html |
| 18:12.34 | dustybin | thanks |
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| 18:14.24 | dustybin | i wonder what kernel version will eventually be released for lenny xen, maybe 2.6.22 ? |
| 18:14.25 | Nyle | rahul, ping |
| 18:14.29 | Nyle | seriously |
| 18:14.32 | Nyle | hurry up |
| 18:14.54 | Nyle | stew, |
| 18:14.55 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: unknown; the kernel team and security team really do not want to support multiple kernel versions |
| 18:15.16 | dustybin | ok |
| 18:15.51 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: ideally someone would make a working patchset for xen for 2.6.26, and we'd ship that |
| 18:16.06 | dustybin | ok |
| 18:16.20 | dondelelcaro | (I'd imagine that if a couple of xen-using people got together and hired a xen developer to do that, it'd work... but I don't know if anyone has done that) |
| 18:16.28 | dustybin | stares at old PIII box in the corner |
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| 18:17.44 | Nyle | maybe its time to put that box into a dust(y) bin |
| 18:17.45 | Nyle | ;) |
| 18:18.00 | dustybin | :o |
| 18:18.14 | Nyle | ya lil weirdo |
| 18:18.15 | Nyle | :) |
| 18:18.22 | dustybin | or into use, ideally, a public server should be a 'real' box, on a DMZ, not a virtual machine |
| 18:18.40 | dustybin | to hell with wasting electricity |
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| 18:19.52 | Nyle | what is a good IDE for linux that has word/syntax completion, and other completions auto-inline type, kinda like Vistual Studio, but for whatever, like .NET or php, or xhtml or xml whatever, and can autocomplete inline stuff that you've typed previously, be it a word you made up or a tag or command or variable name or function or whatever |
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| 18:20.07 | Nyle | anything like that for linux, gui is prefreble, but cli can work too |
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| 18:20.29 | Nyle | I'll mostly be doing php/ajax and .NET |
| 18:21.01 | Nyle | but mostly the former, I tried eclipse i heard it was ok, but no dice, kate/quanta have completion, but only for xml and nothing else and it doesn't work exactly the way it should |
| 18:21.28 | Nyle | please advise of any pre packaged IDE |
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| 18:22.21 | n3kl | Nyle: bluefish |
| 18:22.35 | Nyle | bluefish is one of my favored editors, but its not an IDE is it? |
| 18:22.42 | n3kl | maybe not |
| 18:22.58 | Nyle | and does it support .NET andor C# or gtk or qt # |
| 18:22.58 | Nyle | ? |
| 18:23.07 | Nyle | or am I stuck with mono? |
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| 18:23.26 | n3kl | I have no idea, I know it does perl and that is plenty for me |
| 18:23.31 | Nyle | heh |
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| 18:25.11 | n3kl | apparantly nyle is a coder |
| 18:25.33 | gribozavr | hi, anyone using lenny on a russian utf-8 locale? aptitude shows some strange message for me, though its OK in C locale. http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sc1hg5.png |
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| 18:27.30 | mississipi_joe | hi, found an interesting page that explains the technical backgrounds of the differences between xp and vista/longhorn -> http://www.xpvistadifferences.de.vu |
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| 18:28.24 | stew | gribozavr: you might try #debian-russian |
| 18:28.45 | stew | gribozavr: though i think they use koi-8 |
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| 18:29.19 | gribozavr | stew: thanks |
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| 18:32.37 | jberg | hmm, not exactly debian specific, but when i click an .rm-link on this page it opens up "movie player" but i get no video, only sound. any ideas how i can watch the video? |
| 18:32.51 | jberg | the page is http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Electrical-Engineering-and-Computer-Science/6-046JFall-2005/LectureNotes/index.htm btw |
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| 18:34.26 | dbmoodb_ | ah perhaps there is no video |
| 18:35.35 | jberg | dbmoodb_: well it says video lectures |
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| 18:35.44 | dbmoodb_ | it also says itunes |
| 18:35.54 | jberg | does anyone see video or just sound? |
| 18:35.58 | jberg | itunes can play video? |
| 18:35.58 | dbmoodb_ | jberg: try a vlc plugin for your browser |
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| 18:36.25 | jberg | dbmoodb_: hmm, ive downloaded vlc and tried open the file in that but no luck |
| 18:37.27 | dbmoodb_ | mmm |
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| 18:38.18 | jberg | just think its strange to advertise as video lectures if its just sound |
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| 18:38.46 | dbmoodb_ | does the sound work ? |
| 18:39.00 | jberg | yes |
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| 18:40.11 | dustybin | would you guys trust using vserver as a public server? it seems pretty straight forward to setup, and runs at the native speed of the machine because it uses the host kernel, but im unsure if it would be secure enough, maybe it would be ok for my home network |
| 18:40.39 | dbmoodb_ | no |
| 18:40.48 | dustybin | why not |
| 18:40.58 | dustybin | these people use it in professional situations: |
| 18:41.00 | jelly | jberg: works for me, mplayer -cache 2048 -playlist http://mfile.akamai.com/7870/rm/mitstorage.download.akamai.com/7870/6/6.046j/f05/lecturenotes/ocw-6.046-07sep2005-220k.rm |
| 18:41.00 | dustybin | http://linux-vserver.org/VServer_Hosting |
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| 18:41.25 | dbmoodb_ | well its fine on etch probably -- there was a problem in lenny for a bit... -- check it out for your self tho |
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| 18:41.57 | dbmoodb_ | (problem being a security risk) |
| 18:42.04 | dustybin | right i see |
| 18:42.05 | jberg | jelly: yes i tried aptitude install mplayer now, but then i get E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openal-soft/libopenal1_1.4.272-1_i386.deb: 404 Not Found and when i type mplayer it says command not found :( |
| 18:42.20 | jelly | jberg: get it from /msg dpkg dmm |
| 18:42.22 | dbmoodb_ | but on etch its probably fine |
| 18:42.43 | dustybin | dbmoodb_: the chances are of my webserver being cracked, and a hacker breaking out of the vserver is pretty slim? |
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| 18:42.59 | dustybin | its not as if my website will be busy |
| 18:43.01 | dbmoodb_ | dustybin: not really but don't ask me |
| 18:43.11 | dustybin | why not |
| 18:43.17 | jberg | jelly: aptitude says dmm package not found |
| 18:43.26 | ivx | hey when I go to upgrade it says The following packages have been kept back: openssh-client openssh-server why won't they upgrade? |
| 18:43.27 | jberg | is mplayer broken on lenny? |
| 18:43.39 | jelly | jberg: sorry, did I say to to anything with aptitude? |
| 18:44.02 | dbmoodb_ | well i'm using dreamhosts which is debian 3... blah etc. (old old) which isn't supported anymore and i don't see any problems with it really .. -- dustybin if you are concerned well just find what is best for you |
| 18:44.04 | jelly | jberg: do "/msg dpkg dmm" in your irc client. |
| 18:44.10 | jberg | jelly: oh ok |
| 18:44.41 | jelly | jberg: the bot ought to provide further instructions. you can get a decent build of mplayer from that repository |
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| 18:45.38 | jberg | jelly: on that site i see only arch packages, can i install those on debian? |
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| 18:45.55 | jelly | jberg: I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 18:46.08 | stew | jberg: that site has packages for etch, lenny, and sid |
| 18:46.12 | keith4 | weird... numlock no longer makes my keypad type numbers. how the heck do I fix that? |
| 18:46.20 | dbmoodb_ | jberg: what ? |
| 18:46.43 | jberg | ah, i though it was arch as in arch linux, not arch as in architecture |
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| 18:46.54 | jberg | so i should get arch 386 for testing then? |
| 18:47.15 | dbmoodb_ | jelly: no video tho |
| 18:47.19 | keith4 | you get get arch for whichever arch you're running |
| 18:47.22 | jelly | dbmoodb_: wfm |
| 18:47.31 | dbmoodb_ | wfm ? |
| 18:47.38 | jelly | dbmoodb_: works for me |
| 18:47.47 | dbmoodb_ | CRASH (on lenny) |
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| 18:48.11 | jelly | Opening video decoder: [realvid] RealVideo decoder |
| 18:48.11 | jelly | realvideo: 2 bytes of unknown extradata remaining. |
| 18:48.11 | jelly | Selected video codec: [rv3040] vfm: realvid (Linux RealPlayer 10 RV30/40 decoder) |
| 18:48.20 | dbmoodb_ | mmmm i didn't ge that |
| 18:48.24 | dbmoodb_ | Cache size set to 2048 KBytes |
| 18:48.24 | dbmoodb_ | Cache fill: 19.92% (417792 bytes) |
| 18:48.24 | dbmoodb_ | MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: demux_open |
| 18:48.24 | dbmoodb_ | - MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM. |
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| 18:48.38 | dbmoodb_ | sorry |
| 18:48.56 | jberg | when i download a .deb package i jut put it in a directory and use dpkg to install it? |
| 18:49.11 | dbmoodb_ | ~apt-get |
| 18:49.11 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-get is the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see ... |
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| 18:49.50 | jberg | dbmoodb_: but how can i use apt-get when the .deb package is only on a website, not a debian repository? |
| 18:50.07 | jelly | dbmoodb_: this is a testing/unstable i386 machine and I haven't upgraded in a while. ii mplayer 1:1.0.rc2svn20080417-0.0 The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux |
| 18:50.21 | stew | jberg: it is a debian repository, it tells you what to add to your sources.list on that page, look at the red boxes on the bottom |
| 18:50.22 | dbmoodb_ | jelly: well i know what it is. |
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| 18:51.48 | jelly | jberg: there is a repository. scroll down past the news on the main page! |
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| 18:53.42 | jberg | jelly: ah thanks. and then apt-get install mplayer? |
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| 18:54.22 | jelly | jberg: the do an update, install what the page tells you to install first, and then yes. |
| 18:54.35 | jberg | okay, thanks for the help |
| 18:56.30 | peter_12 | how does a package maintainer know the name of a file in his package does not collide with a file in another package? |
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| 18:58.39 | jberg | jelly: thanks, that worked. did anyone here say the mplayer command to play the file? |
| 18:59.10 | jelly | jberg: use something like mplayer -playlist url-of-a-rm |
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| 18:59.22 | jberg | thanks again :) |
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| 19:00.27 | jberg | gah, im missing a real video codec |
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| 19:02.26 | draft | hi |
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| 19:03.01 | jelly | jberg: oh, you might need w32codecs too |
| 19:03.21 | jberg | is that a deb package too? |
| 19:03.24 | jelly | yes |
| 19:03.25 | stew | in fact, that's probably all he needed all along |
| 19:03.54 | jelly | stew: well yes, but now he also has a superior player <g> |
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| 19:04.14 | stew | woon we'll find out he is on amd64 |
| 19:04.18 | stew | ^w^s |
| 19:04.47 | jelly | 64bit mplayer can't dlopen() 32bit libs? |
| 19:04.57 | jberg | yay, i have video! thanks for the help guys :) |
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| 19:05.10 | stew | jelly: oh, i don't really know. i had assumed not |
| 19:05.27 | jelly | the particular codec is a native linux one |
| 19:05.48 | jberg | and then after 5 seconds the sound stopped working :( gaaaaah |
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| 19:06.29 | dbmoodb_ | !fail |
| 19:06.46 | jelly | jberg: add "-cache 2048" to the command line, for example... you could also try vlc now, maybe it'll work too |
| 19:07.14 | dbmoodb_ | jelly: isn't thre a codec native... for real video ? |
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| 19:07.38 | jberg | jelly: ok thanks |
| 19:07.45 | jelly | dbmoodb_: he is using the native (albeit binary only) codec from realplayer 10 for linux |
| 19:07.54 | dbmoodb_ | oh? |
| 19:08.10 | jelly | dbmoodb_: that's what's present in w32codecs among other binaries |
| 19:08.25 | jelly | /usr/lib/codecs/drvc.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped |
| 19:09.23 | dbmoodb_ | ok |
| 19:09.45 | dbmoodb_ | so how does it work ? |
| 19:10.02 | dbmoodb_ | one uses a binary blog ? |
| 19:10.06 | dbmoodb_ | blob? |
| 19:10.14 | jelly | yes |
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| 19:10.29 | EvilMatt | hello |
| 19:10.33 | dbmoodb_ | what about helix player... |
| 19:10.57 | jelly | dbmoodb_: try it and tell us. |
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| 19:11.27 | EvilMatt | debian etch wants to boot into X.. how do i turn that off? |
| 19:12.09 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 19:12.09 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 19:12.10 | jelly | !tell EvilMatt -about nodm |
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| 19:13.16 | jelly | rm /etc/rc2.d/S??xdm not mentioned |
| 19:13.46 | Zider | hello good folks. I'm trying to compile XBMC in a debian install, and for that I'm following a Ubuntu install guide (since there's no debian one). it says to install libfaac-dev but there doesn't seem to exist any faac package at all. Am I doing something wrong or what? (I'm new at debian/ubuntu) |
| 19:13.47 | EvilMatt | thank you |
| 19:13.48 | EvilMatt | :) |
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| 19:13.55 | htmlol | I just got a Seagate FreeAgent Pro 500GB External HD. I plugged it in, and my system saw it just fine. After a few minutes I unmounted it and tried to fix the notorious auto spindown by doing "sdparm --clear STANDBY -6 /dev/sde |
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| 19:14.04 | htmlol | " |
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| 19:14.27 | htmlol | however, it said: |
| 19:14.27 | htmlol | open error: /dev/sdb [read/write]: No such file or directory |
| 19:14.38 | htmlol | and now the device is not to be found. |
| 19:14.42 | jelly | htmlol: sde? sdb? |
| 19:14.58 | htmlol | I copied the first command. the drive was at sdb |
| 19:15.09 | htmlol | but now it's not being sensed |
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| 19:15.25 | htmlol | I tried unplugging and replugging, but no luck. |
| 19:15.32 | jelly | power cycling? |
| 19:15.45 | htmlol | what? |
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| 19:15.54 | Virca979 | hi |
| 19:15.57 | jelly | switch it off and back on |
| 19:16.27 | htmlol | there's no power button |
| 19:16.34 | jelly | htmlol: disconnect the power cable if necessary |
| 19:16.38 | jelly | duh |
| 19:16.59 | htmlol | I would've done that already, but I put my hand on the drive and I can still feel it spinning |
| 19:17.15 | jelly | shrugs |
| 19:17.17 | htmlol | wouldn't that run a risk of scratching the drive? |
| 19:17.35 | jelly | same is if it was in a PC which got power cut off |
| 19:18.00 | htmlol | :/ alright I guess I will, h/o |
| 19:18.22 | jelly | htmlol: leave it off for at least 15 seconds |
| 19:19.12 | htmlol | ok |
| 19:19.19 | htmlol | I just unplugged it. I'm waiting. |
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| 19:19.39 | jelly | accepts no responsibility for damage |
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| 19:20.04 | htmlol | >.> |
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| 19:20.11 | jberg_ | is it possible to download the rm-stream? -cache 2048 made it work for maybe 2-3 minutes, then it stopped for 30 seconds, started and crashed |
| 19:20.17 | htmlol | alright. I'll plug it back in. |
| 19:20.30 | jberg_ | can wget capture a stream like that? |
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| 19:21.32 | SpeedyG | jberg_: i'd say capture it with mplayer .. but don't ask me how and if its possible |
| 19:21.47 | SpeedyG | all I know is that I've done it once with a asx-stream |
| 19:22.04 | jberg_ | SpeedyG: hmm okay. ill check |
| 19:22.59 | jelly | jberg_: depends on the protocol used. there are tools like streamripper |
| 19:23.40 | jberg_ | jelly: okay the protocol is http |
| 19:23.41 | htmlol | alright, I just plugged it back in and then plugged the usb cable in. |
| 19:23.54 | jelly | jberg_: no, it's not. that's just the playlist |
| 19:24.01 | htmlol | when I plugged the usb in, the lights went on and it started to spin, but my system still didn't see it. |
| 19:24.10 | jelly | jberg_: you can download the playlist with wget and see what's inside |
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| 19:24.18 | htmlol | after about 30 seconds, it span down and the lights went off. |
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| 19:24.55 | jberg_ | jelly: ah ok |
| 19:25.10 | morghanphoenix | What packages do I need to install to make the hotplugging of usb drives work? |
| 19:25.35 | stew | morghanphoenix: /msg dpkg automount |
| 19:25.38 | htmlol | jelly: any ideas? |
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| 19:26.03 | jberg_ | jelly: its rtsp and pnm (video og audio? or audio and video?) |
| 19:26.14 | jelly | htmlol: no. try it under an OS they support |
| 19:26.33 | grendal_prime | I need to add a user systematically....in the preinst of a package. I want to preset the password and the shell is a specific script for that user. |
| 19:26.46 | grendal_prime | Now i see how to set the shell and i have tested this and it worked fine. |
| 19:26.50 | htmlol | weird thing is, it says the typical windows, mac. it also says "universal" on the box. |
| 19:27.06 | jelly | htmlol: and still u broke it |
| 19:27.24 | jelly | htmlol: I'd try it on a windows or a mac first |
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| 19:27.50 | grendal_prime | but what switch will allow me to set the password of the user. Also. i dont want it to prompt for the username and all the other stuff it asks for. |
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| 19:28.37 | jelly | grendal_prime: usermod? |
| 19:28.41 | grendal_prime | htmlol: what is it? |
| 19:28.57 | grendal_prime | jelly? |
| 19:29.13 | jelly | grendal_prime: use usermod to set the password |
| 19:29.19 | htmlol | it's a Seagate FreeAgent Pro external hd |
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| 19:29.52 | grendal_prime | right reading the man now thanks |
| 19:30.12 | jelly | grendal_prime: why are you doing this in a preinst, btw, and not postinst as is usual? |
| 19:31.13 | grendal_prime | because there are several files that will get put into the users dir. I have them in the package as binarys. |
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| 19:32.12 | jelly | grendal_prime: you could chown them after you create the user in postinst |
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| 19:32.45 | p1ngp0ng | whats best ot use to get flashplayer for amd64? gnash or nspluginwrapper? |
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| 19:32.52 | p1ngp0ng | to* |
| 19:32.59 | jberg_ | mplayer has -dumpstream, that sounds what i want i think |
| 19:33.09 | stew | p1ngp0ng: define "best" |
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| 19:33.21 | p1ngp0ng | most stable on my system |
| 19:33.29 | grendal_prime | ya...but if i just create the user account first...let the package then put the files in the (now existing) folder (ill have to chown them anyway in postinst i guess) |
| 19:34.00 | grendal_prime | I just thougth it would be cleaner if i actually create the account first. using the proper method. |
| 19:34.04 | htmlol | I tried it in a windows machine. it does the same exact thing. |
| 19:34.56 | grendal_prime | htmlol: ya, alot of times it has something to do with the usb portion of those that fks everything up... |
| 19:35.18 | grendal_prime | we have several of them here...the ones that dont work with linux we send back. |
| 19:35.27 | grendal_prime | or we did anyway |
| 19:35.35 | grendal_prime | now we just use 5 gig usbsticks |
| 19:35.45 | htmlol | both machines have firewire...should I try that? |
| 19:35.53 | jelly | grendal_prime: ah. the package would create your user's home folder anyway when unpacking itself, if you dpkg --contents foo.deb, you'll see it contains the directories too |
| 19:36.07 | htmlol | I tried it on my linux, but i don't know if the firewire is configured properly on there |
| 19:36.31 | htmlol | grendal_prime: I ordered it from buy.com through amazon. how would I go about sending it back? |
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| 19:36.49 | jelly | looks at his non-spindowning WD of the same size |
| 19:37.45 | grendal_prime | ya, im building the package. I understand that listing the files in the package will cause them to be created when its unpacked. |
| 19:38.12 | adama | Friday!! wooooo |
| 19:38.13 | grendal_prime | but the files are going into a user's dir that does not exist yet. |
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| 19:39.07 | grendal_prime | and the shell for the user is being set to a script that is being put into that same users home dir. |
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| 19:39.35 | grendal_prime | sooooo...I want to make sure that the users home dir is created correctly, and has all the perms right. |
| 19:39.36 | jelly | grendal_prime: it will be created at unpack time. if you package /blah/fnord/foo.txt, the package will contain /, /blah, /blah/fnord and /blah/fnord/foo.txt |
| 19:40.00 | p1ngp0ng | how do i add my user to the sudoers list? |
| 19:40.16 | stew | p1ngp0ng: with visudo (man visudo ; man sudoers) |
| 19:40.24 | p1ngp0ng | thanks |
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| 19:40.34 | StucKman_ | hi all. I'm experiencing a weird problem with nfs. uif I reboot the server, I start getting 'permission denied' when I try to mount a share from a vlient until I restart the service (not the server). any hints on how to debug this? |
| 19:40.52 | htmlol | AH thank God at least that's SOMETHING |
| 19:41.06 | htmlol | I plugged into the windows box with the firewire and it worked |
| 19:41.57 | jelly | sounds like the usb bridge was confused by your obscure scsi command |
| 19:42.18 | stew | htmlol: make sure you have the firewire-sbp2 and sd_mod kernel modules loaded when you try to access the driver over firewire |
| 19:42.37 | htmlol | yeah, I was just going to ask, how do I get my firewire to wrok |
| 19:42.39 | htmlol | work* |
| 19:42.46 | htmlol | I'll modprobe those, then? |
| 19:42.55 | jelly | htmlol: if they're not already there |
| 19:43.04 | stew | yes, firewire-sbp2 was named just 'sbp2' in some previous kernels |
| 19:43.14 | htmlol | root@dvus:# modprobe firewire-sbp2 |
| 19:43.16 | htmlol | root@dvus:# modprobe sd_mod |
| 19:43.16 | htmlol | root@dvus:# |
| 19:43.19 | htmlol | so it should work now? |
| 19:43.33 | StucKman_ | htmlol: check they're un lsmod output |
| 19:43.42 | StucKman_ | and maybe dmesg's output |
| 19:44.18 | htmlol | yes, they're both loaded |
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| 19:45.03 | htmlol | now what you guys are saying is, it will never work with usb? |
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| 19:46.04 | jelly | has no idea |
| 19:46.08 | htmlol | by the way, it does have a power button (but a very strange one). |
| 19:46.22 | htmlol | it's a little raised power symbol that's part of the plastic at the base |
| 19:46.47 | htmlol | it doesn't move, but when you put your finger over it and press lightly, the lights on the drive respond |
| 19:47.12 | jelly | and if you hold it a while, does it go off? |
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| 19:47.45 | htmlol | I had tried pressing it before I disconnected the power before and it did nothing |
| 19:47.49 | htmlol | I didn't hold it down, though. |
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| 19:49.16 | htmlol | I'm just installing the software on the windows machine for now via firewire |
| 19:49.24 | htmlol | once that's done, I'll try it on my own machine. |
| 19:50.25 | htmlol | by the way, the command isn't obscure; it's been on slashdot and endaget, and there are many success stories with it |
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| 19:52.00 | jberg_ | okay so now i used mplayer to dump the stream, when i play it the sound is very "noisy/jittery" sounds like the frequency has spikes or something. should i just give up or what? |
| 19:52.37 | Laeborg | hi |
| 19:53.14 | Laeborg | i have just installed windows xp on my laptop, and now i want to install debian (dual boot) anything i should know before i do it ? |
| 19:54.04 | dbmoodb_ | Laeborg: no. just remember the name ntfs-3g for writing to the xp partition from etch /debian. |
| 19:54.13 | StucKman_ | jberg_: maybe this helps: http://www.news.software.coop/using-at-to-record-debconf-streams/75/ |
| 19:54.31 | Laeborg | i have been used debian before with ntfs disc, so i know ntfs-3g :) |
| 19:54.34 | BarnacleBob | how can i downgrade a specific package i accidentally upgraded to testing? |
| 19:54.56 | jberg_ | StucKman_: i press the right arrow key to jump forward 10 seconds, and that fixed the sound for some reason. so lets see how long this lasts this time :) |
| 19:55.06 | jberg_ | but thanks, ill check out the link |
| 19:55.17 | StucKman_ | jberg_: maybe you have to reindex the file |
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| 19:55.24 | Laeborg | windows xp i placed on C:\ debian will be on D:\ (same harddrive) - so what about the bootloader? Should i use GRUP or the one in windows ? |
| 19:55.24 | jberg_ | reindex? |
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| 19:56.08 | Loupox | Hi all |
| 19:56.11 | Laeborg | hi |
| 19:56.22 | Loupox | is it possible to install a package without root privilege ? |
| 19:56.33 | Loupox | I need mplayer on my user dir |
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| 19:57.10 | htmlol | Loupox: not unless you find a pre-configured/pre-compiled binary that you can download. |
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| 19:57.53 | BarnacleBob | gah damnit |
| 19:57.55 | Loupox | htmlol: I guess you mean pre-configured / precompilde need I have 2 Debian, with exactly the same kernel ? |
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| 19:57.59 | BarnacleBob | i've managed to screw up this box :) |
| 19:58.39 | stew | Loupox: you can extract the contents of a package with "dpkg -x" then install the files by hand into your home directory, you'll have to manage the dependencies yourself |
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| 19:59.09 | Loupox | ok, and it's sure mplayer just need 2 bilions depencies ^^ |
| 19:59.19 | htmlol | Loupox: nah, like if you download (for example) firefox from the website and then just run it |
| 20:00.01 | Loupox | Yah but I'm talking about mplayer, my website create a thumb from a video file, and I just need mplayer to extract the thumbs |
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| 20:00.39 | Loupox | gonna try to paste mplayer from my own debian on this poor server |
| 20:00.42 | Loupox | ^^ |
| 20:01.10 | Loupox | thx for your answers guys |
| 20:01.18 | Loupox | and enjoy your night |
| 20:01.31 | Loupox | (or day .. :) ) |
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| 20:04.04 | lero | anyone had installed a storagetek L20 under linux? |
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| 20:07.04 | jberg_ | wow. after 10 minutes with video and sound actually working, mplayer crashed. should mplayer be this unstable or have i fucked it up some how? i just installed it from that debian multimedia thing.. |
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| 20:08.27 | amphi | jberg_: mplayer rarely crashes for me |
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| 20:10.05 | jberg_ | amphi: would you mind trying to use mplayer -dumpstream on this http://mfile.akamai.com/7870/rm/mitstorage.download.akamai.com/7870/6/6.046j/f05/lecturenotes/ocw-6.046-12sep2005-220k.rm file and try to forward like 5-10 minutes and see if it crashes? |
| 20:10.59 | jberg_ | it crashes every time between 10 and 20 minutes |
| 20:11.16 | jberg_ | just wondering if its just on my system or everyone elses too |
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| 20:11.45 | anirban | Hi |
| 20:12.01 | anirban | can any one help me with DMA error of my CD/DVD ROM |
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| 20:12.36 | anirban | I am using Lenny on AMD 64 system |
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| 20:13.47 | anirban | When ever I try to play any CD or DVD I am getting DMA time out error |
| 20:14.14 | anirban | I can play it only after I did hdpram -d 0 /dev/hda |
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| 20:18.07 | dionoea | Hello. I removed the /etc/udev/rules.d/z60_libsane.rules file and for some obscure reason apt-get install --reinstall libsane doesn't restore the file. Any idea what that might be due to? |
| 20:18.17 | dionoea | Runing debian sid. |
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| 20:21.12 | Xilent | dfu-util Backup rootfs fails multiple times |
| 20:21.41 | Xilent | usb 7-1: usbfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd dfu-util rqt 128 rq 6 len 255 ret -75 |
| 20:22.11 | Laeborg | windows xp i placed on C:\ debian will be on D:\ (same harddrive) - so what about the bootloader? Should i use GRUP or the one in windows ? |
| 20:22.30 | dionoea | grub, not grup |
| 20:22.35 | dionoea | (the b stands for bootloader) |
| 20:22.38 | Xilent | sorry wrong channl |
| 20:22.57 | Laeborg | okay, but what would i use for my dual boot ? |
| 20:23.10 | dionoea | I've always used grub (or lilo in the old days) |
| 20:23.26 | Laeborg | what is easiest ? |
| 20:23.54 | dionoea | Grub is easy. I don't know about the "on in windows" you're talking about (can the windows bootloader boot linux nowadays?) |
| 20:23.55 | amphi | jberg_: I don't have any 'real video' decoder here |
| 20:24.15 | jberg_ | amphi: aptitude install w32codecs fixed that for me |
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| 20:24.35 | amphi | I don't want 'em, vrms will get angry |
| 20:24.44 | amphi | I'm 64 bit here in any case |
| 20:24.53 | jberg_ | vrms? |
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| 20:25.20 | dionoea | amphi: ffmpeg had rv decoding (rv 3 and 4 are still disabled by default) |
| 20:25.25 | dionoea | s/had/has/ |
| 20:25.44 | amphi | dionoea: ah, thanks - I never seem to need such things in any case |
| 20:26.04 | amphi | jberg_: apt-cache show vrms |
| 20:26.10 | dionoea | The only issue is that you'll need to recompile your own libavcodec |
| 20:26.26 | jberg_ | amphi: ok |
| 20:26.42 | amphi | so much suffering for 'real media'? I'll wait until nearer the time |
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| 20:27.25 | dionoea | so anyone have a clue about my apt-get install --reinstall issue? |
| 20:27.43 | jberg_ | amphi: lol? vrms checks for nonfree software and then what? try to make you feel guilty or what? |
| 20:28.04 | amphi | jberg_: it comes into your dreams |
| 20:28.57 | jberg_ | but seriously, what do the package do? |
| 20:30.25 | Batchy | it lists nonfree software. |
| 20:30.28 | amphi | if it detects non-free sw, it has the cpu execute the halt-and-catch-fire instruction |
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| 20:31.10 | jberg_ | wow, some people take the principles a little to serious imo |
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| 20:31.18 | jberg_ | s/the/their/ |
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| 20:32.18 | Laeborg | well i have just installed debian with gnome, but i want kde. how? |
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| 20:32.37 | stew | Laeborg: aptitude install kde |
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| 20:32.48 | Batchy | jberg_ : if you're redistributing, you may want to list the packages which you may not redistribute |
| 20:33.29 | Batchy | and vrms helps. |
| 20:33.33 | mick_linux | hi everyone, how do i tell what /dev my usb device is connected to? (dmesg says hiddev96: USB HID v1.10 Device [APC Back-UPS ES 350 FW:1.e2.D USB FW:e2] on usb-0000:00:1d.1-2 |
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| 20:34.29 | mick_linux | device using uhci_hcd and address 3 |
| 20:34.45 | mick_linux | i'm configuring apcupsd |
| 20:35.10 | mick_linux | so i need to put in the /dev/ entry for it -- so it knows what port to use |
| 20:35.17 | jberg_ | Batchy: yes thats true |
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| 20:38.01 | jelly | !why is yaird not in testing |
| 20:38.02 | dpkg | yaird is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=yaird |
| 20:38.13 | jelly | dpkg: thanks |
| 20:38.13 | dpkg | sure thing, jelly |
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| 20:46.12 | p1ngp0ng | anyone got a idea why xmms isnt working? i installed it from synaptic. when i click it. nothing happens. |
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| 20:46.42 | score | p1ngp0ng: see any errors if you run it from a term? |
| 20:47.03 | p1ngp0ng | i get a "segmentation fault" |
| 20:47.12 | stew | p1ngp0ng: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:47.18 | p1ngp0ng | etch |
| 20:47.30 | p1ngp0ng | 2.6.18-6 |
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| 20:47.42 | p1ngp0ng | amd64 |
| 20:47.42 | score | is there a way i can rename different bonding interfaces.. bond0, bond1? |
| 20:47.59 | p1ngp0ng | maybe that is the problem? xmms is 32bit code |
| 20:48.12 | score | p1ngp0ng: no |
| 20:48.17 | stew | score: you could try "ip link set name newname dev oldname" |
| 20:48.45 | score | stew: but, is there a good way to do it from 'interfaces'? |
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| 20:49.20 | Laeborg | Intel Pro/Wireless 3945ABG driver for debian. where ? |
| 20:49.31 | amphi | !3945 |
| 20:49.32 | stew | score: in an "up" line, perhaps? |
| 20:49.37 | amphi | !ipw3945 |
| 20:49.37 | dpkg | If you're running Debian Etch with a 2.6.18 kernel, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny - or Etch with an <etchnhalf> or <bpo> kernel - ask me about <iwlwifi>. |
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| 20:49.44 | stew | Laeborg: for which version of debian? |
| 20:49.49 | Laeborg | etch |
| 20:49.55 | stew | Laeborg: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 20:50.26 | Laeborg | 2.6.18.6-686 |
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| 20:50.59 | stew | Laeborg: then yeah, see above about ipw3945 |
| 20:52.42 | Laeborg | ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 ? |
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| 20:53.29 | Laeborg | ah despends on my cpu |
| 20:53.54 | Eulex | no, kernel |
| 20:53.57 | stew | Laeborg: dpkg said exactly what to do above |
| 20:54.07 | Laeborg | i have Intel Core 2 Duo T5500 |
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| 20:56.11 | Laeborg | should i replace <contrib> with anything ? |
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| 20:57.13 | Eulex | Laeborg, it's a reference to ask dpkg about contrib |
| 20:57.33 | stew | dpkg: tell Laeborg about contrib |
| 20:59.03 | Laeborg | what http should i add in sources.list ? |
| 20:59.39 | Laeborg | deb http://url.here contrib non-free |
| 20:59.50 | Laeborg | deb-src http://url.here contrib non-free |
| 21:00.19 | stew | Laeborg: you should already have one or two which contain "main" near the end, make sure those lines also contain "contrib non-free" after "main" |
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| 21:00.34 | Laeborg | ah okay |
| 21:01.27 | scintilla | bye |
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| 21:03.13 | kd8ikt | honeyd still doesnt support ipv6 does it? |
| 21:04.14 | Laeborg | aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw394 is now done. what next? |
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| 21:07.01 | stew | Laeborg: check dmesg to make sure modprobe ipw3945 suceeded, but your wireless should be functional now |
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| 21:07.27 | Laeborg | is there any GUI i could use to chose networks and so ? |
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| 21:08.03 | dondelelcaro | Laeborg: network manager is currently the thing that most people are using, even though it has some problems |
| 21:08.26 | pickcoder | I never had any luck with it |
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| 21:09.21 | Laeborg | where can i find that? |
| 21:09.33 | stew | Laeborg: are you a gnome user or a kde user or what? |
| 21:09.34 | pickcoder | search for it? |
| 21:09.37 | Laeborg | kde |
| 21:09.49 | stew | Laeborg: there is a network-manager-kde package |
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| 21:10.26 | stew | i have no idea how to start whatever applet it installs however, check /usr/share/doc/network-manager-kde |
| 21:10.33 | pickcoder | I used kwifimanager and it always showed I had an active connection even when the AP was turned off |
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| 21:13.25 | Laeborg | hmm my wireless will not turn on :s |
| 21:13.44 | pickcoder | use the command line tools until you get it functional |
| 21:13.50 | pickcoder | GUI tools just complicate the debugging |
| 21:14.07 | Laeborg | okay how can i do that? |
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| 21:14.55 | pickcoder | install wireless-tools |
| 21:15.02 | pickcoder | iwlist <device> scan |
| 21:15.11 | pickcoder | your AP should show up |
| 21:15.13 | deadcat_ | what do i use to edit raw images from my digital camera? |
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| 21:16.35 | Laeborg | pickcoder: i get this in return: iwlist ipw3945 scen: ipw3945 Interface doesn't support scanning. |
| 21:17.02 | pickcoder | nice |
| 21:17.13 | pickcoder | oh |
| 21:17.15 | pickcoder | wait |
| 21:17.16 | deadcat_ | Laeborg: iwconfig shows ipw3945? not wlan0 or something like that? like ath0? |
| 21:17.22 | pickcoder | <device> is your wireless interface device |
| 21:17.25 | pickcoder | ifconfig -a |
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| 21:17.38 | pickcoder | not the driver name |
| 21:18.17 | Laeborg | ipw3945 no such device |
| 21:18.52 | deadcat_ | Laeborg: run "iwconfig" and look for wlan0 or ath0 or something like that. |
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| 21:19.08 | Laeborg | no wireless extensions |
| 21:19.18 | deadcat_ | then you dont have wireless |
| 21:19.29 | htmlol | how do I set the firewire-sbp2 module to load automatically at startup? |
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| 21:19.42 | deadcat_ | Laeborg: this is what i get when i run "iwconfig |grep ESSID": wlan0 IEEE 802.11b ESSID:"linksys" Nickname:"" |
| 21:20.03 | quitte | htmlol: it should be autoloaded if it is needed |
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| 21:20.26 | htmlol | well it isn't. |
| 21:20.27 | Laeborg` | still no wireless extensions |
| 21:20.38 | htmlol | not to be rude. |
| 21:20.51 | deadcat_ | Laeborg: then you dont have wireless |
| 21:21.06 | pickcoder | Laeborg: the module didn't load |
| 21:21.09 | Laeborg` | ipw3945: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945 Network Connection driver for Linux, 1.1.2dmpr |
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| 21:21.28 | quitte | htmlol: but the firewire hci module is loaded? |
| 21:21.43 | pickcoder | or if it did it didn't load the firmware and the device is not active |
| 21:22.04 | amphi | is that the driver that needs the horrid daemon? |
| 21:22.13 | Laeborg` | says dmseg |
| 21:22.17 | stew | amphi: yes |
| 21:22.20 | stew | htmlol: man modules |
| 21:22.31 | amphi | stew: thanks |
| 21:22.43 | amphi | Laeborg`: you have the daemon running? |
| 21:22.46 | htmlol | firewire_ohci and firewire_core and sd_mod are loaded, |
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| 21:22.55 | Laeborg` | not sure |
| 21:22.57 | amphi | ipw3945d or some such IIRC |
| 21:23.02 | htmlol | but I was told here that I needed to have firewire-sbp2 loaded too |
| 21:23.26 | quitte | htmlol: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:23.26 | htmlol | stew: thank you. |
| 21:23.36 | htmlol | I'm trying to use my firewire port. |
| 21:23.44 | Laeborg` | bash: ipw3945d: command not found |
| 21:23.55 | htmlol | it worked when I modprobe'd that module last time |
| 21:23.57 | quitte | htmlol: uhm well plug something into it then |
| 21:24.13 | htmlol | and now I want to have it running automatically. |
| 21:24.15 | joneal | hi |
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| 21:25.11 | quitte | htmlol: are ohci1394 and ieee1394 loaded automatically? |
| 21:25.48 | htmlol | would those be in lsmod? |
| 21:25.54 | quitte | yes |
| 21:26.31 | htmlol | neither are currently loaded |
| 21:27.05 | htmlol | ("lsmod | grep ieee1394" and "lsmod | grep ohci1394" returned nothing) |
| 21:27.14 | quitte | htmlol: ok. try loading ohci1394 then. that is th module for the host controller |
| 21:27.22 | amphi | Laeborg`: I may well have the name wrong, I've not used such a driver |
| 21:27.29 | htmlol | but it worked last time without it loaded... |
| 21:27.48 | htmlol | I just wanted to load firewire-sbp2 automatically, and I set it to |
| 21:27.49 | quitte | ok. |
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| 21:28.08 | htmlol | should I load those anyway, or..? |
| 21:28.18 | htmlol | my firewire is |
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| 21:28.19 | htmlol | 06:04.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller |
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| 21:29.19 | quitte | sbp2 is the driver fr mass storage devicesw. and it should be automatically loaded when you connect one. ohci1394 is the driver for the host controller and should already be loaded because there is the pci device you mentioned |
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| 21:29.55 | Laeborg | how does i start xserver? |
| 21:30.14 | idimmu | startx ? |
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| 21:30.54 | mizo666 | im looking for a small, secure preferably debian based distro, that is intended to run from a hard drive, not a livecd, and that is updated often with good support, for use on my netbook, any recommendations? |
| 21:31.11 | newsense | debian |
| 21:31.20 | htmlol | weird |
| 21:32.02 | mizo666 | weird? |
| 21:32.29 | jelly | mizo666: does "update often" mean you want newest versions of things, or just fixed security bugs? |
| 21:32.40 | mizo666 | security bugs |
| 21:32.46 | stew | mizo666: how about debian? |
| 21:33.01 | jelly | mizo666: debian, then ;-) |
| 21:33.47 | mizo666 | jelly: what would you have answered if i said, newest versions of things? |
| 21:34.08 | newsense | sid |
| 21:34.10 | jelly | mizo666: I wouldn't have had an opinion |
| 21:34.11 | amphi | debian ;) |
| 21:34.15 | pickcoder | would say remove the "stable" part of the equation |
| 21:34.44 | jelly | tbh I don't even know what a netbook is |
| 21:35.11 | SpeedyG | I guess something like an eeePC |
| 21:35.20 | mizo666 | laptop with low specs intended for internet, simple applications and simple media |
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| 21:36.14 | mizo666 | msi wind |
| 21:36.28 | SpeedyG | is it possible to search through the factoids of dpkg? |
| 21:36.46 | beardy | !your factoids |
| 21:36.47 | dpkg | Pick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php or ask me about <help listkeys> or <search>. Also, my factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. |
| 21:36.59 | SpeedyG | nice, thanks :) |
| 21:37.13 | SpeedyG | thats way easier than just randomly trying !$item :) |
| 21:37.19 | mizo666 | i need the distro to be sort of minimalistic, because i want it to run smoothly on this thing |
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| 21:37.40 | jetscreamer | debian can be minimal if you want it to be |
| 21:37.42 | newsense | mizo666: choose no tasks |
| 21:37.50 | beardy | mizo666: Each Debian installation becomes what you make it. Install what you want and need only. |
| 21:37.54 | jetscreamer | just tke all the checkmarks off in tasksel, which sucks anyway |
| 21:38.10 | jetscreamer | well it does it's job |
| 21:38.17 | jetscreamer | s/tke/take/ |
| 21:38.19 | stew | mizo666: we're goign to recommend debian. if you want options of other linux distros you are probably better off asking in ##linux |
| 21:38.28 | newsense | mizo666: i always choose no tasks than rmove and add things |
| 21:38.31 | jetscreamer | or browsing distowatch.com |
| 21:38.41 | jetscreamer | r* |
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| 21:38.47 | jetscreamer | needs new kb |
| 21:38.54 | newsense | me too |
| 21:38.56 | mizo666 | yeah but i installed ubuntu and it lags my laptop to shit |
| 21:38.59 | newsense | pepsi proof |
| 21:38.59 | jetscreamer | and new kb/chair interface, but none are available |
| 21:39.07 | mizo666 | while it is ok running winxp by the way |
| 21:39.13 | newsense | and a kvm switch |
| 21:39.42 | beardy | How nice. Install Debian, ask if you need help. /msg dpkg grounding |
| 21:40.05 | stew | mizo666: if you need help with ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu |
| 21:40.36 | mizo666 | i dont need help with ubuntu, just a distro that is better suited |
| 21:40.53 | jetscreamer | he just meant don't ask about ubnotoo here |
| 21:41.15 | jetscreamer | cuz we get that a lot |
| 21:41.20 | quitte | mizo666: what kind of netbook is it? |
| 21:41.20 | SpeedyG | mizo666: install debian with minimal packages, and then instlal what you need.. that'll get you what you want |
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| 21:41.39 | mizo666 | it was nto a question when i talked about ubuntu :P |
| 21:41.40 | jetscreamer | stay away from gnome or kde should do you also |
| 21:41.43 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 21:41.46 | mizo666 | quitte: msi wind |
| 21:41.49 | quitte | SpeedyG: he might have a ssd. a standard installation is never a good idea on those |
| 21:42.01 | quitte | mizo666: normal hdd or flash based? |
| 21:42.08 | mizo666 | normal hd |
| 21:42.16 | mizo666 | that is standard in msi wind |
| 21:42.16 | mimcpher | Hey. The debian installer supports some form of encrypted setup: Does it support encryption of the root partition? I assume if so I'd need a seperate /boot |
| 21:42.26 | zorrolero | mizo666: grml-small may become your friend.) -> http://grml.org |
| 21:42.39 | jetscreamer | yes it does but that's all i know about it mimcpher |
| 21:42.40 | jelly | zorrolero: but that's a livecd :-) |
| 21:43.00 | zorrolero | jelly: with hd-install, btw. |
| 21:43.14 | jelly | zorrolero: yeah, but it's not debian any more |
| 21:43.37 | jelly | a nice livecd, though |
| 21:43.47 | quitte | mizo666: http://forums.msiwind.net/post20871.html |
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| 21:44.28 | zorrolero | jelly: for you. for me every .deb-based distri is a debian-child.) |
| 21:44.44 | jelly | child yes, but not the real thing |
| 21:44.48 | amphi | spork! spork! |
| 21:45.06 | amphi | bugger, abrotman is not here |
| 21:45.07 | jelly | amphi: at least it's not one of those 75% thingies |
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| 21:48.57 | htmlol | ok well |
| 21:49.07 | htmlol | I got the Seagate FreeAgent Pro to work with firewire |
| 21:49.07 | htmlol | but |
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| 21:49.25 | htmlol | every time I turn it off after I unmount it, my computer freezes. |
| 21:49.59 | htmlol | it takes about 20 seconds. first the keyboard doesn't work, then the touchpad. by then it's totally frozen. last time it was amusing, my caps lock light was blinking. |
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| 21:50.57 | quitte | are you sure you unmounted everything? gnome and kde do auto mount removable media |
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| 21:51.19 | htmlol | mine doesn't. I mounted the drive, and then I unmounted it. |
| 21:51.22 | htmlol | that's fine. |
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| 21:51.48 | htmlol | it doesn't freeze after I do that. after I press the power button on the device, however, and after it goes off, that's when it freezes. |
| 21:52.29 | amphi | htmlol: does it do that if you remove the modules it requires? |
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| 21:54.42 | htmlol | you mean, remove the module after I unmount it? |
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| 21:55.24 | jelly | htmlol: caps lock blinking means a kernel panic, I think |
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| 21:55.39 | amphi | htmlol: yes, before powering off the device |
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| 21:58.08 | stew | and when the module fails to unload becuase it is in use, he can check more carefully for mounted filesystems :) |
| 21:58.10 | htmlol | which modules should I unload? |
| 21:58.24 | htmlol | stew: I definitely unmounted it both times |
| 21:58.45 | Cyorxamp | Is there a way of maybe getting e-mailed if theres a consistant amount of wrong passwords entered via SSH? |
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| 21:59.10 | SpeedyG | using an IPS maybe |
| 21:59.16 | Cyorxamp | IPS? |
| 21:59.18 | SpeedyG | or IDS |
| 21:59.23 | Cyorxamp | IDS? |
| 21:59.30 | SpeedyG | INtrusion Prevention / Detection System |
| 21:59.48 | Cyorxamp | so theres nothing similar or like it built into openssh itself? |
| 22:00.01 | SpeedyG | not that i'm aware of |
| 22:00.15 | jintxo | Cyorxamp, this isn't exactly what you are asking but you may want to look into denyhosts, to block IPs that fail ssh auth repeatedly |
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| 22:00.48 | stew | Cyorxamp: there is fail2ban, which will, by default, firewall someone off temporarily if they have too many failed attempts loggin into ssh, you can make it so that it additionally emails you |
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| 22:01.15 | Cyorxamp | is denyhosts or fail2ban easy to set up and/or in the debian repo's? |
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| 22:02.25 | htmlol | amphi: which modules should I unload, all of the firewire ones, or just the one that I loaded myself? and how do I unload them, what's the command? |
| 22:03.30 | amphi | modprobe -r |
| 22:04.01 | amphi | I have no idea - it was just a possible experiment that occured to me |
| 22:05.54 | htmlol | ok |
| 22:06.03 | Laeborg | is there anyway to configure the task so only programs open in the current desktop is there ? |
| 22:06.11 | keith80403 | Where in the network scripts would I check if "dhclient eth0" isn't being run? I have to do this manually after a reboot. Running sid, if that makes any difference..... |
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| 22:07.03 | htmlol | I'll try it in a bit, I have to leave now. :D |
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| 22:08.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there any way I can make apt-get to not check GPG signatures? |
| 22:08.39 | ScytheBlade1 | ... verifying all of these packages on a 133MHz CPU on a compact flash card is... |
| 22:08.42 | ScytheBlade1 | "slow" |
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| 22:09.02 | quitte | keith80403: man interfaces to configure network interfaces. if you paste /etc/network/interfaces to a pasteion i'll have a look |
| 22:09.29 | keith80403 | quitte, OK, thanks, will paste the URL in a bit. |
| 22:09.32 | enouf | Cyorxamp: denyhosts is |
| 22:10.00 | quitte | keith80403: do you use a user different from the user created after installation? |
| 22:10.10 | enouf | Cyorxamp: i have it running .. not sure about fail2ban, but that's easy enough to look for |
| 22:10.32 | keith80403 | quitte, No, just the root user any my normal personal user. Permissions problem you think? |
| 22:10.35 | Gnurdux | ScytheBlade1, build a 250 $ computer and throw away the shitbox |
| 22:10.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnurdux: it's embedded =] |
| 22:10.51 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 22:10.56 | ScytheBlade1 | nods |
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| 22:11.08 | quitte | keith80403: I don'T quite undersand the automagic network configuration. but i was wondering if maybe you re not in the netdev group |
| 22:11.10 | enouf | er, so the fuck what? |
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| 22:11.20 | enouf | throw away the embedded POShit |
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| 22:11.28 | quitte | keith80403: but if it is a stationary computer fixin the interfaces file should be no problem |
| 22:11.31 | ScytheBlade1 | i486, 64MB of RAM, 2x cardbus, 1x mini-PCI, 1x CF, and 3x ethernet + RS-232 |
| 22:11.32 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 22:11.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Just curious if I can :P |
| 22:11.36 | Cyorxamp | enouf: just checked my auth.log and someone has been brute forcing 'root' on ssh - according to google a known IP to do this kind of thing from japan |
| 22:11.39 | ScytheBlade1 | This is taking some time :P |
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| 22:12.06 | enouf | ~$ pstree -lunap | grep denyhosts |
| 22:12.06 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.06 | jintxo | Cyorxamp, set up denyhosts and deny root logins over ssh, that no good. |
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| 22:12.56 | enouf | http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/faq.html |
| 22:13.15 | keith80403 | quitte, What's a popular pastebin here on #debian ? |
| 22:13.22 | tarzeau | !pastebin |
| 22:13.23 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 22:13.36 | tarzeau | Cyorxamp: or just use good passwords and don't bother |
| 22:13.45 | Cyorxamp | oh I do have very good passwords |
| 22:13.46 | keith80403 | tarzeau, Thank you |
| 22:13.49 | Cyorxamp | but its still scarey |
| 22:13.52 | tarzeau | Cyorxamp: so? |
| 22:13.54 | tarzeau | Cyorxamp: no it's not |
| 22:14.04 | tarzeau | Cyorxamp: it's like someone comes with the wrong key trying it on your door |
| 22:14.08 | Cyorxamp | well it not like I even though anyone would bother |
| 22:14.18 | tarzeau | if it works, he gets a beer from your fridge |
| 22:14.18 | Cyorxamp | and I go to look, and there was like 40 failed attempts yesterday |
| 22:14.33 | quitte | except that if he has a lot of keys his chance of opening a physical lock is pretty good |
| 22:14.34 | tarzeau | so? on doors you don't see if someone tried a key |
| 22:14.38 | Cyorxamp | all for usernames thaty don't exist |
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| 22:15.09 | blubberdiblub | i get that all the time, Cyorxamp. nothing to worry about |
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| 22:15.17 | tarzeau | quitte: i doubt Cyorxamp has beer in his fridge |
| 22:15.27 | Cyorxamp | tarzeau: real ale ;) |
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| 22:15.35 | tarzeau | quitte: why should i carry so many a lot of keys to open his door? |
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| 22:15.43 | tarzeau | Cyorxamp: where do you live again? |
| 22:15.48 | Cyorxamp | UK |
| 22:16.00 | keith80403 | quitte, Here is the URL for /etc/network/interfaces: http://rafb.net/p/hkazrm17.html |
| 22:16.18 | tarzeau | quitte: probably breakin in the window is easier than the thing with keys |
| 22:16.38 | jintxo | Cyorxamp, 1 deny root login over ssh 2 denyhosts 3 forget |
| 22:16.45 | Cyorxamp | please please stop thinking a debian server is a damn house ;P |
| 22:16.58 | tarzeau | Cyorxamp: yeah it doesn't even have a fridge |
| 22:17.07 | Cyorxamp | exactly |
| 22:17.38 | quitte | tarzeau: yes, but that adds sachbeschädigung to the souvereignity of somenes home and theft |
| 22:17.49 | tarzeau | quitte: not if the window is wide open |
| 22:17.49 | Cyorxamp | think I'm gonna lock SSH down to only known IP's |
| 22:18.01 | tarzeau | Cyorxamp: if you can do that, do it |
| 22:18.11 | Cyorxamp | yeah theres a cisco pix 501 behind it |
| 22:18.18 | quitte | tarzeau: if you break a wide open window to get in you already had a lot of ale |
| 22:18.19 | tarzeau | Cyorxamp: i didn't mean that way |
| 22:18.23 | Cyorxamp | lol |
| 22:18.31 | tarzeau | Cyorxamp: i meant like, sometimes you need to access it from some ip that you don't know |
| 22:18.32 | quitte | keith80403: the file looks good |
| 22:18.43 | Cyorxamp | it's not mine, it's the ISP's... but since I work for the ISP I've got access to it |
| 22:18.49 | tarzeau | quitte: ich haud dich gleich, you know what i mean |
| 22:18.55 | blubberdiblub | lol |
| 22:19.03 | Cyorxamp | tarzeau: true but I could always SSH to somewhere else like home first |
| 22:19.12 | keith80403 | quitte, Hm, OK. I'm more familiar with the RH network startup scripts, trying to learn the "Debian Way." |
| 22:19.15 | quitte | wenn wir hier schon mist labern |
| 22:19.19 | tarzeau | Cyorxamp: i'd sit in de garden and drink one of those ales instead |
| 22:19.20 | keith80403 | quitte, Anywhere else you think I should check ? |
| 22:19.37 | quitte | keith80403: does ifdown eh0 and then ifup eth0 creconfigure eth0 properly |
| 22:19.39 | Cyorxamp | tarzeau: it's like 11:19pm and its pitch black |
| 22:19.45 | streuner | !rc.local |
| 22:19.46 | dpkg | it has been said that rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). |
| 22:19.54 | tarzeau | Cyorxamp: and light a candle |
| 22:19.56 | keith80403 | quitte, Yes, that's how I used to do it before remembering "dhclient eth0" |
| 22:20.27 | quitte | keith80403: uhm so the networking script isn't run when you boot? |
| 22:20.46 | Cyorxamp | tarzeau: suppose it solves the lighting facor... won't really beat the cold tho |
| 22:20.54 | quitte | keith80403: try /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 22:21.38 | keith80403 | quitte, It runs, all interfaces appear when I run /sbin/ifconfig, but no IP address on any of them. It's just a nagging problem. I'll try /etc/init.d/networking restart next.......... |
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| 22:22.32 | Laeborg | i did something wrong :/ |
| 22:22.44 | Laeborg | i have removed the 'Desktop' folder ind /home/username |
| 22:23.00 | keith80403 | quitte, /etc/init.d/networking restart works correctly and eth0 gets an IP address. |
| 22:23.05 | tarzeau | !backups |
| 22:23.05 | dpkg | I don't need no steenkin backups However, I'm sure at least two other mes in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other mes in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data, or see <things to backup> |
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| 22:23.38 | quitte | keith80403: is there a link to that script in rcS.d? |
| 22:23.45 | keith80403 | quitte, I' |
| 22:23.50 | keith80403 | quitte, I'll check that..... |
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| 22:25.11 | mooperd | hullo, wot do people think of microsoft docx and xlsx |
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| 22:25.32 | Laeborg | how can i get my desktop back ? |
| 22:25.43 | tarzeau | mooperd: i have better ways of wasting time |
| 22:25.48 | tarzeau | Laeborg: backup? |
| 22:25.54 | Laeborg | how? |
| 22:26.06 | keith80403 | quitte, Aha - link appears in rcS.d, rc0.d, and rc6.d but not in rc2.d - I'll fix that, thanks very much for your help. |
| 22:26.11 | tarzeau | Laeborg: stand up, walk to the tresor, open door and get the tape |
| 22:26.22 | mooperd | I mean from an open documents point of view |
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| 22:26.33 | quitte | keith80403: it not being in rc2.d is normal |
| 22:26.43 | keith80403 | quitte, It is? |
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| 22:27.10 | quitte | keith80403: yes. on startup init always starts runlevel S first then switches to the default runlevel |
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| 22:28.07 | keith80403 | quitte, Correct, wonder why it doesn't get an IP address. Baffling. |
| 22:28.55 | quitte | keith80403: do you have access to the cnsole at boot time? the dhcp getting is pretty visible. does it fail? |
| 22:29.17 | quitte | keith80403: or did you do somethin like trying an alternative init system? |
| 22:29.23 | enouf | Cyorxamp: wanna play with iptables? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
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| 22:29.52 | keith80403 | quitte, I see the dhclient run at boot time, not trying an alternative init system, and so it's strange that eth0 loses its IP address..... |
| 22:30.18 | enouf | loses? |
| 22:30.33 | quitte | keith80403: what do you mean by looses? it gets an ip and then it looses it? that would be some network manager weirdness |
| 22:31.26 | enouf | keith80403: where are you ifupdown scripts? |
| 22:31.39 | keith80403 | quitte, Correct. NetworkManager was installed on the Etch system I upgraded from - is there an updated NetworkManager or should I remove it or reconfigure it? |
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| 22:32.09 | keith80403 | enouf, ifup/down are in the installed locations, at least, I haven' moved them. |
| 22:32.13 | quitte | keith80403: how about getting rid of it? or dig into its documentation |
| 22:32.35 | enouf | ~$ rgrep -i dhclient /etc/init.d/ |
| 22:32.35 | enouf | ~$ |
| 22:32.36 | apt | rumour has it, $ is a dollar sign |
| 22:32.52 | keith80403 | quitte, That's what I'll probably do. Wanted to ask in case there was a known problem. Thanks again for the assistance. |
| 22:33.37 | grendal_prime | is there a way to disable all the other bs that goes on when you use adduser? (like the users firstname, lastname, phone, address) |
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| 22:35.40 | alphaman1101 | What does Debian mean? |
| 22:35.42 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: use --gecos ''; |
| 22:35.43 | SpeedyG | grendal_prime: use useradd ? |
| 22:35.48 | dondelelcaro | alphaman1101: deb+ian |
| 22:36.00 | dondelelcaro | and you don't want to use useradd |
| 22:36.20 | SpeedyG | dondelelcaro: why not? :) |
| 22:36.48 | alphaman1101 | deb the name of the packages? and ian? |
| 22:36.50 | dondelelcaro | SpeedyG: because it doesn't apply all of the policies that adduser does by default |
| 22:36.50 | Cyorxamp | alphaman1101: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-basic_defs.en.html#s-gnu |
| 22:36.53 | alphaman1101 | ahh |
| 22:36.57 | dondelelcaro | alphaman1101: no, deb and ian are people's names |
| 22:36.58 | tarzeau | alphaman1101: her wife |
| 22:37.06 | tarzeau | his |
| 22:37.10 | SpeedyG | dondelelcaro: ah |
| 22:37.24 | alphaman1101 | ahhh |
| 22:37.32 | keith80403 | enouf, FWIW, this command returned no output even on a different, functional Etch system: rgrep -i dhclient /etc/init.d/ |
| 22:37.56 | dondelelcaro | dhclient is run directly by ifupdown, not anything else |
| 22:38.00 | alphaman1101 | well now i know :) |
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| 22:38.33 | keith80403 | dondelelcaro, OK, good to know. Everything helps to learn how Debian starts its network (-: |
| 22:38.54 | keith80403 | Surely this is detailed in the documentation somewhere, I'll have to look for it. |
| 22:39.51 | enouf | keith80403: i've never had to run dhclient, using dhcp here - if anything, 'ifup eth0', or 'ifconfig eth0 up', or at worst, /etc/network/interfaces restart |
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| 22:40.34 | alphaman1101 | wow. ISPCONFIG has a long compilation time. Already at five minutes |
| 22:40.50 | keith80403 | enouf, Right, that's what I thought - thanks for the info. Probably something in NetworkManager fouling things up, I'll look into that. |
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| 22:41.12 | blubberdiblub | enouf, you mean /etc/init.d/network restart ;) |
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| 22:42.12 | enouf | keith80403: i might be wrong, but network-managers settings are either a) stored in another place, and/or b) not what /interfaces uses |
| 22:42.34 | enouf | blubberdiblub: right .. my bad |
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| 22:43.03 | alphaman1101 | wow, fay is knocking at my backdoor.. |
| 22:43.05 | keith80403 | enouf, Sounds logical, since the /etc/network/interfaces file looks OK. That's another good idea, to look for where NetworkManager's settings are stored... |
| 22:43.12 | alphaman1101 | my zip 32564 |
| 22:43.14 | enouf | blubberdiblub: wrong |
| 22:43.15 | enouf | $ ll /etc/init.d/networking |
| 22:43.16 | enouf | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2550 2007-01-06 10:36 /etc/init.d/networking |
| 22:43.21 | enouf | ;-) |
| 22:43.27 | blubberdiblub | ah, my fault *g* |
| 22:43.47 | enouf | corrects the corrections |
| 22:44.08 | alphaman1101 | goes outside to measure wind speeds |
| 22:44.41 | enouf | fay? she had a great deli when i was in junior high school |
| 22:45.00 | blubberdiblub | i usually just "ifdown interface ; ifup interface" anyways ;) |
| 22:45.02 | alphaman1101 | wow..... |
| 22:45.25 | enouf | i usually .. don't do anything ;-) |
| 22:45.31 | enouf | i never reboot :-P |
| 22:45.53 | alphaman1101 | wind speed is at gust of 15 and rising |
| 22:45.56 | enouf | well ... ya know what i mean |
| 22:46.19 | enouf | alphaman1101: erm, are you somewhere in the mid atlantic or something? |
| 22:46.26 | alphaman1101 | negative |
| 22:46.45 | enouf | alphaman1101: no wind here - context please |
| 22:46.52 | alphaman1101 | Inland about 46 miles |
| 22:46.58 | alphaman1101 | or less i belive |
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| 22:47.12 | alphaman1101 | enouf, you in florida? |
| 22:47.22 | enouf | wait, i failed to wathc weather = fay is a hurricane? |
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| 22:47.31 | alphaman1101 | TS |
| 22:47.35 | enouf | no, but i have family hewre |
| 22:47.39 | enouf | there* |
| 22:47.49 | alphaman1101 | http://radar.weather.gov/ridge/radar.php?rid=evx&product=N0R&overlay=11101111&loop=no its closing in on my pos |
| 22:48.08 | enouf | alphaman1101: i know the outlay of FL pretty well - where are you ? |
| 22:48.13 | alphaman1101 | HOlt |
| 22:48.18 | enouf | ? |
| 22:48.24 | alphaman1101 | Baker? |
| 22:48.30 | alphaman1101 | Crestview? |
| 22:48.40 | enouf | ah pan handler |
| 22:48.45 | alphaman1101 | :d |
| 22:48.52 | [TWR] | any news on when lenny will go from testing to stable? |
| 22:48.55 | stew | enouf: alphaman1101: please take it to #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
| 22:48.58 | enouf | i don't know that area so much |
| 22:49.03 | enouf | ok |
| 22:49.09 | stew | [TWR]: /msg dpkg wwlr |
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| 22:50.25 | Gillpy | How can I log all terminal output, without interfering with normal usage? |
| 22:50.41 | [TWR] | stew: thanx |
| 22:50.45 | kempo | NameVirtualHost 62.75.251.102:0 has no VirtualHosts |
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| 22:50.49 | [sr] | hi there |
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| 22:51.12 | [sr] | in php5 packages, the pear extension doesn't exist? i only found for php4 |
| 22:51.57 | blubberdiblub | [sr], try the "php-pear" package |
| 22:52.06 | [sr] | that one is php4 |
| 22:52.12 | [sr] | i'm on SID |
| 22:52.23 | blubberdiblub | mine is for php5 |
| 22:52.48 | [sr] | ei sorry |
| 22:52.54 | [sr] | i saw something else |
| 22:52.55 | [sr] | :$ |
| 22:53.05 | blubberdiblub | no worries :) |
| 22:53.09 | [sr] | merci!! |
| 22:53.10 | [sr] | :) |
| 22:53.27 | [sr] | it should be php5-pear no? |
| 22:53.31 | [sr] | to keep name consolidation |
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| 22:54.31 | stew | [sr]: php-pear in sid would be php5, there should be nothing php4 related in testing or unstable anymore |
| 22:54.51 | blubberdiblub | [sr], probably they named it, so "php-pear" always is the current pear package for the current php release. but i'm just guessing here |
| 22:54.54 | enouf | stew: you actually bring up a good topic for debian devs and all world govs .. that is, at a minimum, for free, Weather and atleast major (federal here) gov't channels should be always available on any TV - the weather moreso, like 911 access, but sigh - i know it's not a topic for this channel either |
| 22:55.16 | [sr] | stew, blubberdiblub, understood |
| 22:55.18 | [sr] | makes sence |
| 22:55.21 | [sr] | sense? |
| 22:55.24 | [sr] | sence? |
| 22:55.24 | [sr] | :p |
| 22:55.30 | blubberdiblub | sense, yes :) |
| 22:55.43 | enouf | !enter |
| 22:55.43 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 22:55.53 | stew | [sr]: in fact, if you look at "apt-cache showsrc php-pear" it is built from the php5 source package |
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| 23:00.08 | [sr] | hum |
| 23:00.20 | [sr] | does load_config() belongs to pear db ? |
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| 23:08.17 | [sr] | going to sleep |
| 23:08.19 | [sr] | thanks |
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| 23:10.08 | jimisrvrox | Im having problems installing extensions in Iceweasal..error 228 |
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| 23:10.57 | alphaman1101 | ISPCONFIG wall time 35 minutes |
| 23:11.12 | Stereo | jimisrvrox: have you tried as an user with no profile? |
| 23:11.24 | jimisrvrox | yes I believe so |
| 23:11.28 | jimisrvrox | I tried a diff profile |
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| 23:11.30 | jimisrvrox | and got the same shit |
| 23:11.41 | grendal_prime | grrrr |
| 23:11.50 | grendal_prime | how do i use --gecos? |
| 23:12.17 | grendal_prime | i want to just disable all that ...do i have to specify each of those fields of data if i use it? |
| 23:12.17 | alphaman1101 | omg this program had better be good |
| 23:12.46 | grendal_prime | is it like --gecos firstname lastname address phonenumber. |
| 23:13.30 | blubberdiblub | jimisrvrox, maybe it's the same problem described here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/debian-iceweasel-add-ons-not-working-614654/ |
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| 23:13.58 | alphaman1101 | not fukking funny ! after 36 minutes of sit and wait it gives me some dang error that it cant configure php |
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| 23:15.46 | jimisrvrox | yup bubbler thats exactly the issue |
| 23:16.02 | jimisrvrox | but with WMaker I dunno how the hell to get to the /etc and all the other folders! |
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| 23:18.18 | jimisrvrox | im not used to this WMaker manager..but GNome kills my CPU |
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| 23:23.34 | eraldo | I have a gpg key... and it is on the keyservers... but I made a fresh linux install.. how can I now get my gpg-key back in a way so that I can decrypt messages again ? |
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| 23:28.14 | Ryushin | I have a weird issue with ext3. I have a file system that shows it's full even though it's not. It's only a 10GB partition, and after deleting a couple of gigs. You can watch df show that it fills up in only a couple of minutes. Looking at du -sm, I've adde dup the total and it should only be about 5GB. Running fsck doesn't fix it either. Any ideas? |
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| 23:30.35 | quitte | it seems cups is twice in debian now. should i use the cups or thje cupsys packages? |
| 23:31.08 | quitte | neer mind. the transition is from cupsys to cups |
| 23:31.10 | blubberdiblub | quitte, cupsys* packages are only dummy packages now. the name of the packages was changed to cups* |
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| 23:32.01 | Texou | hi |
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| 23:33.20 | Texou | is there a known bug in gnome such as "glibc detected *** gnome-panel: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x0000000002250"? |
| 23:33.26 | Texou | in 64bits |
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| 23:36.14 | snowrichard | shutting down for thunderstorms |
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| 23:39.21 | Texou | nothing for lenny? |
| 23:40.36 | crashanddie | I created a .deb package using dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage, all that, now, I updated my software, and want to roll out a new version number... How can I achieve this ? Do I need to create a new directory with dh_make and everything ? |
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| 23:41.34 | alphaman1101 | what are the mysql development files? what are the names |
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| 23:43.12 | enouf | keith80403: any progress? |
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| 23:43.33 | enouf | -dev |
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| 23:43.54 | alphaman1101 | apt-get install mysql-dev libmysql-devel |
| 23:43.59 | alphaman1101 | no such file |
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| 23:44.17 | enouf | apt-cache search ...to start |
| 23:44.33 | alphaman1101 | yeah i couldny fint anything for develop |
| 23:44.34 | alphaman1101 | find* |
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| 23:44.41 | enouf | !tell alphaman1101 -about search |
| 23:44.59 | alphaman1101 | now i got to wait for that cussing bot to talk to me |
| 23:45.41 | dustybin | when using the latest lenny kernel 2.6.25, do i have no choice but to install the nvidia driver with: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.12/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12-pkg1.run |
| 23:46.04 | enouf | oops, dpkg is busy .. out with the other bots, getting some nookie |
| 23:46.04 | alphaman1101 | lol |
| 23:46.04 | alphaman1101 | i did apt-cache search mysql |
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| 23:46.05 | alphaman1101 | that got a lot of stuff |
| 23:46.11 | enouf | apt-cache search mysgl | grep dev ...to start |
| 23:46.13 | alphaman1101 | but nothing to my eye with dev in it |
| 23:46.21 | enouf | apt-cache search mysql | grep dev ...to start |
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| 23:46.54 | enouf | apt-get update prior |
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| 23:57.20 | DVA5912 | sorry |
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