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| 00:02.52 | wald0 | the nvidia legacy source 71xx doesn't build for 2.6.25 |
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| 00:04.51 | Orbixx | I want to increase the size of my root partition by making space available by shrinking the /home partition. How do I do this? |
| 00:05.37 | Stereo | Orbixx: what file system do you use? |
| 00:05.41 | Orbixx | ext3 |
| 00:06.14 | Stereo | http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions <-- try this |
| 00:07.27 | Stereo | but promise you'll make backups before you do this :) |
| 00:08.10 | Stereo | actually, read the last comment at the bottom |
| 00:08.29 | Stereo | and then probably read man resize2fs |
| 00:08.57 | Orbixx | Interesting. |
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| 00:15.19 | Texou | how is it possible to report an eventual bug? |
| 00:15.40 | dmoerner | Texou, use the bug tracker. the package reportbug makes it easy to report bugs. what do you mean by "an eventual bug?" |
| 00:15.43 | dmoerner | an upcoming abi change? |
| 00:15.53 | Stereo | Texou: you can file it and risk angering the maintainer :) |
| 00:16.04 | Stereo | or ask us to try to reproduce it here |
| 00:16.08 | Texou | dmoerner: hm |
| 00:16.24 | Texou | well it's on a 64bits machine, |
| 00:16.31 | Texou | gnome could have a bug |
| 00:16.48 | dmoerner | Texou, if you are more specific maybe we can diagnose if it is a bug |
| 00:17.05 | Texou | yes yes :D |
| 00:17.13 | Texou | when I do startx, |
| 00:17.17 | Texou | I get: |
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| 00:17.36 | Texou | glibc detected *** gnome-panel: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x0000000002250 |
| 00:17.48 | Texou | I've not yet tested my memory |
| 00:18.24 | Texou | but on google I've seen a bug about memory corruption in ubuntu and I thought it could be similar |
| 00:18.36 | dmoerner | Texou, you should run memtest to test your memory. if that produces no errors, then you should perform a backtrace and file a bug report |
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| 00:19.42 | Texou | ok |
| 00:19.59 | Texou | how can I do the second thing? |
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| 00:21.16 | dmoerner | Texou, here is a simple guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace#Generation |
| 00:21.27 | rox | Texou: run the core file in a debugger and issue the backtrace command |
| 00:21.46 | Texou | ok |
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| 00:21.54 | Texou | for memtest86+, |
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| 00:22.02 | Texou | how does it boot on Debian? |
| 00:22.34 | dmoerner | Texou, you should have an automatically added entry in grub. if not edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, and change it to say memtest=true in the commented portion, and run update-grub as root |
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| 00:22.39 | dmoerner | the file is well commented |
| 00:23.06 | rox | Texou: if you are talking about the memtest boot option of ubuntu - debian doesn't have this boot option by default, you have to install/configure it |
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| 00:23.48 | Stereo | shouldn't the package add that automagically? I have it in the lilo config on this box |
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| 00:24.46 | dmoerner | Texou, i think the situation is that memtest86+ is in the boot menu by default but not installed by default, so use apt-get to grab it |
| 00:25.02 | rox | Stereo: as a matter of fact i might be a bit behind on this, i haven't installed debian for more then a year, so i don't really kknow. I know i don't have it. |
| 00:25.31 | Texou | rox: ok |
| 00:25.42 | Texou | dmoerner: ok |
| 00:25.54 | Texou | and I uncomment memtestÔtrue in menu.lst right? |
| 00:26.11 | dmoerner | Texou, no. you keep it commented. just change nothing in menu.lst |
| 00:26.31 | Texou | ok |
| 00:26.45 | Texou | I'm going to tr4 this |
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| 00:31.55 | seekingtruth | is there a 600MB version of Debian I can instal? |
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| 00:33.09 | seekingtruth | is there a 600MB version of Debian I can install? |
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| 00:34.17 | Sling | seekingtruth : why 600MB? |
| 00:34.21 | Sling | there is the netinst iso |
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| 00:34.25 | Sling | which is around 200 |
| 00:34.34 | seekingtruth | Sling: well smaller than 1 GB |
| 00:34.56 | Sling | if the machine you are installing on has an internet connection, use the netinst |
| 00:34.58 | seekingtruth | Sling: whats smallest debian I can install that contains gnome or kde? |
| 00:35.10 | Sling | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 00:35.20 | seekingtruth | thanks Slingshot :) |
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| 00:35.31 | Valentin_33000 | Hi (: |
| 00:35.40 | Valentin_33000 | a got a question about .tgz packages |
| 00:35.50 | seekingtruth | Sling: which one? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 00:35.58 | seekingtruth | Valentin_33000: not today pls |
| 00:36.08 | Sling | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 00:36.14 | seekingtruth | Sling: ok ty |
| 00:36.20 | Valentin_33000 | why seekingthruth ? |
| 00:36.23 | Sling | Valentin_33000 : dont ask to ask, ask |
| 00:36.38 | Valentin_33000 | ok Sling |
| 00:36.42 | seekingtruth | Valentin_33000: justy joking :) ask |
| 00:36.51 | seekingtruth | dont ask to ask |
| 00:36.54 | seekingtruth | ask |
| 00:36.55 | seekingtruth | :) |
| 00:37.03 | Valentin_33000 | so, i want to install http://pecl.php.net/package/bbcode/1.0.2 this mod for php5 |
| 00:37.16 | Valentin_33000 | but i don't know how to do that :( |
| 00:37.19 | seekingtruth | Valentin_33000: sling will be able to help you, he knows |
| 00:37.34 | Valentin_33000 | nice :D |
| 00:37.58 | seekingtruth | :) |
| 00:38.06 | Sling | i dont know that specific mod, but isnt there an installation manual for it? |
| 00:38.08 | Valentin_33000 | ( i got the latest stable version of PHP ( 5.2.6 ) ) |
| 00:38.23 | Sling | you can unpack tgz files with 'tar zvfz file.tgz' |
| 00:38.27 | Sling | xvfz* |
| 00:38.28 | Valentin_33000 | i don't found any manual, that's the problem |
| 00:38.33 | Valentin_33000 | yes i do it |
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| 00:38.46 | Valentin_33000 | but no file inside tell me how to install it |
| 00:39.13 | Valentin_33000 | i got a CREDIT, LICENSE, TODO, *.c, *.h file |
| 00:39.16 | Sling | http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.pecl.php |
| 00:39.21 | Sling | look there |
| 00:39.31 | Sling | and go to ##php if you have other problems |
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| 00:41.21 | Valentin_33000 | ah, i have to install PECL in order to install my BBCode mod |
| 00:41.21 | seekingtruth | Valentin_33000: that looks like you need to compile it |
| 00:41.21 | seekingtruth | shrugs :P |
| 00:41.21 | Valentin_33000 | Thanks you, i'm going to follow the doc (: |
| 00:41.23 | Sling | may the doc be with you |
| 00:41.31 | seekingtruth | Thanks you, i'm going to follow the doc (: <-- good start :) |
| 00:41.34 | Valentin_33000 | ah, i never compile a file before |
| 00:41.36 | seekingtruth | Sling: lol |
| 00:41.49 | Valentin_33000 | ahaha SLing, stop looking StarWars :D |
| 00:41.51 | seekingtruth | Valentin_33000: i compiled xchat once, it was fun :) |
| 00:41.59 | Valentin_33000 | Yoda is the best :p |
| 00:42.04 | Valentin_33000 | fun ? why :D |
| 00:42.14 | seekingtruth | Valentin_33000: i prefer the sound of music :) |
| 00:42.25 | seekingtruth | Valentin_33000: because it was my first complie :) |
| 00:42.35 | seekingtruth | it was exciting :) |
| 00:42.41 | Valentin_33000 | lool |
| 00:42.53 | Valentin_33000 | i'm affraid about thinking to futurs Errors messages :D |
| 00:43.19 | Sling | you should see errors as challenges |
| 00:43.20 | Valentin_33000 | ta ta taaaa tata taaatataaaa! |
| 00:43.20 | Valentin_33000 | x) |
| 00:43.20 | Sling | not as scary things |
| 00:43.39 | Sling | unless they say all your data is lost, then be afraid by any means |
| 00:43.48 | Valentin_33000 | stop joking and working! :) |
| 00:43.51 | Valentin_33000 | lol Sling |
| 00:44.03 | Valentin_33000 | what challenges mean? |
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| 00:45.02 | Sling | 'that which encourages someone to do something they otherwise would not' |
| 00:45.08 | Sling | according to wiktionary |
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| 00:47.40 | Valentin_33000 | ok (: |
| 00:48.36 | Valentin_33000 | i'm afraid to make something wrong on my server :/ |
| 00:48.49 | Valentin_33000 | i'll see that after sleeping |
| 00:49.21 | Valentin_33000 | thanks for your help Sling, and to seekingtruth for your starting joke :p |
| 00:49.33 | Valentin_33000 | good night ! |
| 00:49.37 | Valentin_33000 | cia |
| 00:49.47 | seekingtruth | Valentin_33000: :) |
| 00:49.50 | Sling | cia? damn they're on to me |
| 00:49.59 | Valentin_33000 | x) |
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| 00:50.11 | seekingtruth | Valentin_33000: peace be with you :) |
| 00:51.04 | Valentin_33000 | seekingthruth: lights' brain be with you :D |
| 00:51.20 | Valentin_33000 | for findingtruth :p |
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| 00:52.37 | seekingtruth | :) |
| 00:52.41 | jimisrvrox | hey folks im having problems with not being able to install extensions I looked on some forums and they said that I had to go put the IP addy in the hosts file well when i go to the /etc dir there is no hosts file in that dir so im wondering where the hell Id find the hosts file and then I guess Id have to do a DNS lookup on the addons site too eh? |
| 00:53.13 | Orbixx | jimisrvrox: "locate hosts" |
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| 00:54.42 | wols | jimisrvrox: how did you install debian? debian without /etc/hosts is very unusual |
| 00:58.22 | jimisrvrox | I found it |
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| 00:59.23 | mlLK | what does xorg.conf resolution do? |
| 00:59.25 | mlLK | for mouse. |
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| 01:06.09 | boulbul | Hi, can anyone please tell me if it is possible to use apt-get distro-upgrade still on debian lenny? |
| 01:06.11 | boulbul | thanks |
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| 01:06.29 | BumfunMC | debian rules :D |
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| 01:08.09 | jimisrvrox | this is getting fucking frustrating.. |
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| 01:08.15 | jimisrvrox | im about to say to hell with linux. |
| 01:08.28 | jimisrvrox | cant find the fucking root terminal so I can edit the hosts file.. |
| 01:08.37 | jimisrvrox | fucking WMaker window manager sucks the big dick. |
| 01:08.39 | CrippsFX | is there a C89 compatible way to get the type of a var? i.e. something like typeof() (which appears to be a GNU extension). |
| 01:08.42 | jimisrvrox | useless piece of shit |
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| 01:08.47 | p1ngp0ng | what is the debian way, conserning flashplayer for 64bit? |
| 01:09.09 | CrippsFX | shit ... wrong room ;) |
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| 01:09.51 | pipeline | p1ngp0ng: gnash |
| 01:10.27 | p1ngp0ng | pt-get install gnash mozilla-plugin-gnash konqueror-plugin-gnash like that? |
| 01:10.30 | p1ngp0ng | apt* |
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| 01:11.37 | BumfunMC | jimisrvrox: apt-get install fluxbox :D |
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| 01:12.41 | Vinaduro | hi there guys |
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| 01:13.59 | Vinaduro | csn you guys please tell me how to add an IP address to my machine without using the IP addr add command? |
| 01:14.43 | Vinaduro | I've just installed a debian netinstall |
| 01:15.01 | BumfunMC | vinaduro: you mean like nano /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 01:15.19 | Vinaduro | aah, thanks |
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| 01:15.34 | Vinaduro | sorry, I'm still very new to linux |
| 01:16.28 | BumfunMC | you could add something like this: |
| 01:16.28 | BumfunMC | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.28 | BumfunMC | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.28 | BumfunMC | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.28 | BumfunMC | see: man interfaces |
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| 01:17.28 | Vinaduro | I guess I will thank him in his absence :) |
| 01:17.34 | _Fabio20 | comand to shutdown after x minutes |
| 01:17.35 | _Fabio20 | ? |
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| 01:17.59 | BumfunMC | hups |
| 01:18.01 | Vinaduro | thanks BumfunMC |
| 01:18.15 | _Fabio20 | comand to shutdown after x minutes |
| 01:18.17 | _Fabio20 | ? |
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| 01:18.25 | BumfunMC | no problem ;) i'm new to irc |
| 01:19.14 | BumfunMC | i'd advise you to enter «man interfaces» for further information and examples |
| 01:19.23 | tudon | fabio http://www.computerhope.com/unix/ushutdow.htm |
| 01:19.29 | Vinaduro | thanks will do |
| 01:19.53 | Vinaduro | I'm not used to the fact that you can change settings in "text" files yet :) |
| 01:20.11 | Vinaduro | I spent 30 minutes trying to google alternate apps to IP |
| 01:20.12 | Vinaduro | lol |
| 01:20.29 | _Fabio20 | tudon thanks |
| 01:20.34 | Vinaduro | <==== converting M$ boy |
| 01:21.09 | BumfunMC | what os are you accustomed to? |
| 01:21.25 | _Fabio20 | tudon time is in 12 or 24 hours format |
| 01:21.27 | _Fabio20 | ? |
| 01:21.28 | BumfunMC | ah m$ |
| 01:21.54 | tudon | dont know |
| 01:22.00 | BumfunMC | why are you using debian? ubuntu is a lot easier for desktop pcs |
| 01:22.15 | Vinaduro | I have an ubuntu install aswell |
| 01:22.31 | BumfunMC | do you use gnome? |
| 01:22.43 | Vinaduro | but I was looking for something to install on an old celeron 800 |
| 01:22.46 | Vinaduro | nope, kde |
| 01:22.54 | Vinaduro | so Kubuntu then :) |
| 01:23.14 | tudon | better not try kde4 on such a oldie |
| 01:23.20 | tudon | 3 is ok |
| 01:23.22 | BumfunMC | kde probably has a graphical frontend for the interfaces file somewhere |
| 01:23.46 | Vinaduro | I needed it for the oldie though |
| 01:24.00 | Vinaduro | which right now doesn;t have x installed yet |
| 01:24.19 | Vinaduro | I needed to add an ip so that I can access local repos |
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| 01:24.44 | BumfunMC | ok |
| 01:24.56 | BumfunMC | does anyone here use debian unstable? |
| 01:24.59 | Vinaduro | then I am going to try install x |
| 01:26.21 | BumfunMC | vinaduro: it will work. maybe you should try xfce or fluxbox instead of kde. xfce is fast and easy |
| 01:27.12 | tudon | lxde is nice too |
| 01:27.26 | Vinaduro | cool thanks |
| 01:27.33 | Vinaduro | will give it a bash |
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| 01:29.17 | bob489 | hey, trying to find some b54usb firmwares... can anyone help me out? |
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| 01:30.10 | bob489 | sorry i mean p54 |
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| 01:31.00 | p1ngp0ng | do i need to reboot the browser/system after installing gnash? |
| 01:31.13 | BumfunMC | bob: sorry i cant, but kanotix and sidux gnu os offer many firmwares |
| 01:31.25 | BumfunMC | p1ngp0ng: only restart the browser |
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| 01:32.33 | p1ngp0ng | its not working |
| 01:32.37 | p1ngp0ng | maybe i installed gnash wrong |
| 01:32.46 | tudon | plngp0ng not the system , bwt swfdec works with more sites including youtube. |
| 01:33.20 | tudon | restart browser maybe |
| 01:33.23 | BumfunMC | p1ngp0ng: close the browser. then do a «killall firefox-bin» or «killall xulrunner-stub» and then try again |
| 01:33.57 | BumfunMC | p1ngp0ng: did you install gnash with apt-get? |
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| 01:35.22 | p1ngp0ng | no i compiled it |
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| 01:35.37 | BumfunMC | ah, why did you do that? |
| 01:35.47 | p1ngp0ng | coz i didnt find it with synaptic |
| 01:36.06 | BumfunMC | did you remove the other flash plugins first? |
| 01:36.13 | p1ngp0ng | nope |
| 01:36.22 | p1ngp0ng | i dont believe there where any other flash plugins |
| 01:36.40 | BumfunMC | you better have a look |
| 01:36.52 | p1ngp0ng | .mozilla/plugins? |
| 01:36.52 | BumfunMC | i have gnash in apt. i dont know where it comes from |
| 01:37.01 | chemist | how can I record a single tack from last.fm? streamripper only records radio stations, not individual tracks |
| 01:37.40 | BumfunMC | no, search for «flash» in synaptic and check wheter adobe flash and those are not installed |
| 01:38.31 | p1ngp0ng | nope i dont see it |
| 01:38.45 | p1ngp0ng | only see libming0 and libming-dev |
| 01:39.08 | p1ngp0ng | but i have 64bit debian here. so i didnt expect to find it |
| 01:39.18 | p1ngp0ng | apt-get install gnash? is that what you do? |
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| 01:41.12 | BumfunMC | yes |
| 01:42.34 | BumfunMC | chemist: you can cut the tracks with audacity. i dont know another way yet |
| 01:43.05 | chemist | thanks |
| 01:43.16 | Orbixx | Never used last.fm |
| 01:43.18 | p1ngp0ng | i cant find the package that way |
| 01:43.22 | Orbixx | But if it's like any other stream. |
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| 01:43.30 | Orbixx | It's a stream. |
| 01:43.33 | Orbixx | Thus, is not split. |
| 01:43.43 | BumfunMC | p1ngp0ong: wait a minute ill check where that package comes from |
| 01:44.05 | Orbixx | One must manually split it, or cleverly calculate a way to automatically split it. |
| 01:44.23 | BumfunMC | orbixx: theoretically it is possible to have them split automatically. lastfm changes the song title each time the song changes |
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| 01:44.40 | p1ngp0ng | thanks |
| 01:44.51 | Orbixx | I guess one could listen for that, and then split accordingly - yes. |
| 01:44.52 | p1ngp0ng | btw where is the apt-get .list located again? |
| 01:45.19 | mizo666 | when i go to download the debian install cds there are so many........... which ones do i actually need |
| 01:45.23 | BumfunMC | p1ngp0ng: are you using debian stable? |
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| 01:45.27 | p1ngp0ng | yes |
| 01:45.30 | simNIX | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:45.34 | p1ngp0ng | or i believe so |
| 01:45.41 | p1ngp0ng | im using the stable etch anyways |
| 01:45.51 | simNIX | me 2 |
| 01:46.16 | BumfunMC | p1ngp0ng: copy the line that looks like «deb http://..... stable main» and change stable into «testing» |
| 01:47.06 | BumfunMC | no wait |
| 01:47.16 | BumfunMC | you can try etch-backports first |
| 01:47.38 | p1ngp0ng | whats the url and command for backport then? |
| 01:47.38 | BumfunMC | so change stable into «etch-backports» |
| 01:47.55 | BumfunMC | the same as for stable |
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| 01:48.31 | p1ngp0ng | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch-backports main |
| 01:48.35 | p1ngp0ng | like that? |
| 01:48.40 | p1ngp0ng | oh ops |
| 01:48.42 | p1ngp0ng | wait |
| 01:48.58 | BumfunMC | you just copy one line in the sources.list and modify it. then click «refresh» in synaptic and install gnash or type this in terminal: apt-get update; apt-get install gnash |
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| 01:50.13 | p1ngp0ng | deb-src http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ etch-backport main |
| 01:50.16 | p1ngp0ng | like that? |
| 01:50.38 | BumfunMC | mizo666: if you have internet at the computer you want to install debian, take the netinst cd. pay attention on the architecture the cd is designed for, e.g. ppc, i386, ... |
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| 01:51.01 | BumfunMC | det är riktig |
| 01:51.15 | p1ngp0ng | fint :) |
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| 01:51.58 | p1ngp0ng | nope, wrong. 404 |
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| 01:54.26 | p1ngp0ng | http://pastebin.com/m2ba7db24 Now, which line am i to add etch-backport main to? |
| 01:54.28 | mizo666 | bumfunmc do you know of a way to use that netinst image from a usb stick |
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| 01:55.08 | flyback | <flyback> hey anyone here from the really old school days of servers |
| 01:55.11 | flyback | <flyback> like the 440FX server days early pentium pro/PII servers |
| 01:55.13 | flyback | <flyback> anyone know if the 440FX had any major data loss problems with it's pci or ide implementation |
| 01:55.19 | BumfunMC | pingpong: try deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 01:55.39 | p1ngp0ng | ok |
| 01:55.55 | BumfunMC | pingpong: or try what i told you but changing «stable» to «testing» and not to «stable-backport» |
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| 01:56.39 | BumfunMC | mizo666: i read about that on debian.org . maybe i find that page again |
| 01:57.26 | BumfunMC | flyback: i have a 440bx or something. it still works fine |
| 01:57.58 | p1ngp0ng | gives me an error. join #flood please |
| 01:58.23 | BumfunMC | pingpong: did you try the backports.org? |
| 01:58.24 | flyback | the reason I am asking about a 440FX board, is there is a old PII server box with server class hw at work, I am going to ask for, I want this box as a data recovery box, so I need a rock stable box and a server board would be best, this box will do NOTHING but attempt to read damaged, floppy, cdrom and hd media |
| 01:58.35 | p1ngp0ng | yes |
| 01:58.42 | p1ngp0ng | join flood, and i will show you the error |
| 01:59.03 | p1ngp0ng | the url was fine, but the package was not |
| 01:59.11 | BumfunMC | flyback: the hardware seems to be broken. debian supports everything if you use stable |
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| 01:59.17 | BumfunMC | pingpong: ok |
| 02:00.44 | p1ngp0ng | what does it mean BumfunMC |
| 02:00.45 | BumfunMC | pingpong: i understand. did you install your self compiled gnash as a package? |
| 02:00.55 | flyback | i don't give a flying canuck about speed or latest, the most critical is stability and error free cause it might spend weeks sending retries to damage media drives and having it crash or drop bits would be bad when you might only get 1 good read out of 1000's |
| 02:01.12 | p1ngp0ng | downloaded it as a tar.gz and did ./configure && make && make install |
| 02:01.39 | BumfunMC | pingpong: the message means that some parts of the gnash package are not there |
| 02:01.54 | dondelelcaro | flyback: I recently had one of those fail, but it had previously been running for a few years continuously. |
| 02:02.01 | BumfunMC | flyback: my 440bx is good and everything works |
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| 02:02.11 | p1ngp0ng | from the apt-get server? |
| 02:02.20 | BumfunMC | pingpong: yes |
| 02:02.29 | p1ngp0ng | ok |
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| 02:02.42 | p1ngp0ng | but why isnt it working after i compiled it myself? |
| 02:02.54 | p1ngp0ng | do i need to sym link or something? |
| 02:03.09 | BumfunMC | try apt-get install gnash gnash-common |
| 02:03.35 | flyback | managed to completely bit perfect mirror a dying hd to a new hd with ddrescue for a client's windows box and it left the door like nothing happened :P |
| 02:03.36 | p1ngp0ng | no go |
| 02:04.04 | mizo666 | do any of you have experience with running debian from a usb hard drive? |
| 02:04.16 | BumfunMC | its always a lot easier to use the packages. you need in deed to put a link into the global browser plugin directory |
| 02:04.22 | Vinaduro | BumfunMC: what package do I need t install on debian to be able to be able to use ip addr add blah blah? |
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| 02:04.37 | p1ngp0ng | BumfunMC: care to explain me how? |
| 02:04.38 | Vinaduro | I tried iproute, but it swears at me |
| 02:05.03 | p1ngp0ng | BumfunMC: the compiling went ok i believe. so if i can just get that sym link up i think i will be sorted |
| 02:05.56 | BumfunMC | pingpong: have a look at some how-to in the internet. its much work if you try to keep self-compiled packages up to date |
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| 02:07.07 | p1ngp0ng | ok |
| 02:07.21 | BumfunMC | pingpong: alternatively you can try to copy that stable line in your sources.list and change «stable» to «testing» and then do apt-get update; apt-get install gnash. it is important that you remove the extra lines - that means the testing line and the backport line - after you're done |
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| 02:08.50 | BumfunMC | mizo666: there you go: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall |
| 02:09.01 | mizo666 | thx |
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| 02:12.23 | BumfunMC | pingpong: is it working? |
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| 02:16.35 | p1ngp0ng | ln -s /etc/alternatives/libgnashplugin.la /usr/lib/iceweasel/chrome/en-US/locale/en-US/mozapps/plugins/ Is that the wrong destination to sym link it? |
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| 02:18.30 | BumfunMC | sounds right. you should check on google. i dont know if thats all you must do |
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| 02:20.18 | chrisn2323 | how do I use the win32 installer with WPA wireless? |
| 02:20.21 | p1ngp0ng | well, it didnt work |
| 02:20.24 | p1ngp0ng | : \ |
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| 02:22.19 | seekingtruth | i installed 250MN debian but it only loads to prompt! how I get it to load KDE? |
| 02:22.47 | newsense | startx |
| 02:22.54 | jimisrvrox | this shit sucks. |
| 02:23.04 | chrisn2323 | how do I use the win32 installer with WPA wireless? |
| 02:23.08 | seekingtruth | startx command not found |
| 02:23.09 | jimisrvrox | ive got deb running WMaker.. |
| 02:23.12 | newsense | aptitude install kdm |
| 02:23.27 | jimisrvrox | but its all fucked up so if I right click it doesnt allow me to access no apps or nothing |
| 02:23.50 | BumfunMC | pingpong: i advise you to try the testing repository, install the package and then remove the repository again. the file you link must be a .so file and then you should check the permissions of that file. all users must be able to read it |
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| 02:24.54 | BumfunMC | seekingtruth: the 250M debian is only for the install. |
| 02:25.35 | chrisn2323 | how do I use the win32 installer with WPA wireless? |
| 02:26.38 | p1ngp0ng | BumfunMC: ok |
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| 02:28.37 | Gigantic | Does anyone know a trustable root server I can use in N. America? |
| 02:28.53 | Gigantic | OpenDNS is giving me problems |
| 02:29.07 | p1ngp0ng | "deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ etch testing" like that BumfunMC |
| 02:29.08 | p1ngp0ng | ? |
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| 02:29.27 | BumfunMC | chrisn2323: i am not sure if its possible to install debian using a wireless connection. maybe you can try to download the full cd or dvd, burn it and install then |
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| 02:30.00 | BumfunMC | pingpong: no, you replace the «etch» (sometimes «stable») with «testing», not the rest |
| 02:30.14 | Gigantic | begs |
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| 02:30.18 | p1ngp0ng | aah |
| 02:30.24 | BumfunMC | pingpong: try this: deb http://debian.tu-bs.de/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 02:30.39 | lem0n | how can i view the transfer rate/port speed/duplex of an interface? |
| 02:30.44 | BumfunMC | the tu-braunschweig server is near here :P |
| 02:30.45 | lem0n | i thought you could do it with ifconfig but i dont see it |
| 02:30.50 | lem0n | (ex 100mbit fdx) |
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| 02:31.52 | p1ngp0ng | yes BumfunMC i got it |
| 02:32.01 | BumfunMC | lem0n: to see the speed and duplex you need the package ethtool. try apt-get install ethtool , then ethtool eth0 , if your card is named eth0 |
| 02:32.05 | p1ngp0ng | its downloading 500MB of new packages now tho :P |
| 02:32.08 | lem0n | thanks :) |
| 02:32.11 | n8ature | hi, im trying to install master boot record to my usb key.... after installing the package 'mbr' i get this error when running the command: -bash: /sbin/install-mbr: No such file or directory |
| 02:32.25 | p1ngp0ng | but thats allright, as im downloading at 2.1 MBs hehehe |
| 02:32.57 | n8ature | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:33.20 | BumfunMC | pingpong: 500 mb? dont do a apt-get upgrade . you only need the gnash packages. in the worst case this is upgrading many packages because of the dependencies. take care |
| 02:33.37 | p1ngp0ng | oh lol |
| 02:33.54 | p1ngp0ng | i thought i was supose to do apt-get update after editing the .list |
| 02:34.01 | BumfunMC | lem0n: and to see the actual transfer rate you need the package ntop |
| 02:34.10 | lem0n | oh i have ntop |
| 02:34.13 | lem0n | i just meant the port speed |
| 02:34.17 | BumfunMC | pingpong: update is right, not upgrade |
| 02:34.17 | lem0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.18 | lem0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.21 | lem0n | works fine, thanks :) |
| 02:34.51 | p1ngp0ng | well i did apt-get update;apt-get install gnash. after adding "testing" |
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| 02:36.17 | BumfunMC | n8ature: if you want to install the grub bootloader into your mbr, use grub-install |
| 02:37.07 | p1ngp0ng | so why does it start upgrading all those packages when i only do apt-get update? |
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| 02:37.18 | p1ngp0ng | upgradingÃ* |
| 02:37.32 | BumfunMC | pingpong: then it shows you which packages would be upgraded. if these are more than you want to upgrade (e.g. evolution, gnome) then abort |
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| 02:38.01 | p1ngp0ng | but i only want gnash. why does it want to upgrade everything else? |
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| 02:38.13 | BumfunMC | pingpong: apt-get update does nothing. it just loads the new package lists |
| 02:38.32 | BumfunMC | how many packages does apt-get install gnash want to upgrade? |
| 02:38.34 | p1ngp0ng | yes, and that would be the gnash package from the testing folder |
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| 02:38.57 | p1ngp0ng | 248 |
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| 02:39.18 | BumfunMC | hm damn lol |
| 02:39.36 | p1ngp0ng | hehe yeh |
| 02:39.44 | p1ngp0ng | i only want gnash damnit :P |
| 02:39.49 | p1ngp0ng | hold on. gonna try something |
| 02:39.51 | BumfunMC | in fact it would work but then you would nearly use debian testing |
| 02:40.12 | BumfunMC | the stable-backport should work |
| 02:41.50 | BumfunMC | pingpong: try this: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 02:44.07 | BumfunMC | the etch backports give you the opportunity not to upgrade everything. maybe the missing packages were in the «contrib» and «non-free» section and thats why it failed. i guess that instruction will work |
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| 02:46.59 | binarymutant | everytime I press alt-1 it gives me a unicode character, how can I stop this, or get irssi to change tabs? |
| 02:47.11 | Orbixx | try using ESC+1 instead |
| 02:47.24 | binarymutant | sweet! |
| 02:47.30 | dread | anyone use awesome here? I need some help with rules, iceweasel, and icedove |
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| 02:47.51 | Orbixx | binarymutant: I find it varies per system for some reason. |
| 02:47.55 | p1ngp0ng | it still wants to upgrade. but only 179 this time |
| 02:47.55 | Orbixx | Never really got to the bottom of it. |
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| 02:48.37 | binarymutant | Orbixx: thanks for the help that was bugging me all day |
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| 02:49.03 | p1ngp0ng | BumfunMC: great this about this annoying problem is that im learning a little bit :) |
| 02:49.17 | p1ngp0ng | this=thing* |
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| 02:50.33 | p1ngp0ng | AHA! |
| 02:50.41 | p1ngp0ng | i forgot to change testing back to etch |
| 02:50.43 | p1ngp0ng | it worked |
| 02:52.20 | p1ngp0ng | or not hmm |
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| 02:55.38 | p1ngp0ng | BumfunMC: ok, its installed using apt-get. now do i need to make sym link? or does it configure everything automaticly? |
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| 03:05.24 | TheHerp | lets say i have a user john and i want to give that user root privileges.. how would i do that |
| 03:05.34 | TheHerp | without him being root or having to sudo |
| 03:06.08 | p1ngp0ng | got flash working now :) |
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| 03:09.28 | n8ature | BumfunMC: thanks.. i was using syslinux to get a debian install on the usb key.. as per these directions: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-flexible |
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| 03:16.47 | dustybin | i just cannot get the nvidia driver installed on kernel 2.6.25 |
| 03:17.01 | dustybin | im using some work arounds to pass the xen problem |
| 03:17.03 | dustybin | but now i get this |
| 03:17.10 | n8ature | my bigger problem is that my motherboard is not detecting the Nic card... motherboard is the supermicro X7DWN+ and nic is intel 82575EB.. which is supported by the "igb" module... is there something I have to do to get that module available to the install or should it be on the latest install cd? |
| 03:17.20 | dustybin | E: Package nvidia-kernel-source has no installation candidate |
| 03:17.34 | pitoow | how i enable the message on ssh login? |
| 03:18.15 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.34 | se7en_ | how do i cp files from a remote ssh system with a non standard (not 22) port via rsync |
| 03:18.36 | pitoow | ok |
| 03:19.22 | n8ature | im installing amd64 version by the way.. |
| 03:21.17 | n8ature | se7en_: i had a lot of trouble with that too.. i ended up temporarily changing my ssh port back to 22 to rsync a few things .. but thats a hack |
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| 03:22.46 | widrone | se7en_: host:port not working? |
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| 03:27.30 | p1ngp0ng | damn, windows seems to be stealing alot of bandwith. in debian i get up to 21000kbit |
| 03:27.58 | enouf | n8ature: 1st , make sure the installler has that module available, then pass it a module line at boot: |
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| 03:28.12 | enouf | n8ature: have you tried 'expert' mode? |
| 03:28.34 | n8ature | enouf... no.. how do i look for the module? |
| 03:28.42 | enouf | n8ature: in the installation guide, see Boot Parameters, (Chapter 5?) |
| 03:29.06 | enouf | n8ature: well ...maybe it's too new and you want to try etchnhalf |
| 03:29.29 | enouf | n8ature: you explore the CD |
| 03:29.55 | n8ature | etchnhalf... um.. thats probably like what it sounds.. going to find it.. my CD is an iso file on a usb key.. but ill figure this out.. thank you enouf |
| 03:30.34 | enouf | np |
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| 03:32.00 | p1ngp0ng | how do i execute a .deb file? |
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| 03:32.36 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: you don't |
| 03:33.58 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: dpkg -i file.deb to install it |
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| 03:40.10 | p1ngp0ng | thanks enouf |
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| 03:44.16 | dustybin | this is what happens when i try and compile the nvidia driver |
| 03:44.21 | dustybin | http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2699 |
| 03:45.02 | arina | I was following a guide at: http://www.rrcomputerconsulting.com/view.php?article_id=3 , when I got to step 13 it said to install: auth-client-config , however, this is for ubuntu and I can't find a debian version of it, would it work, or what can I use instead? |
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| 03:50.24 | p1ngp0ng | has anyone here installed eve-online on debian etch? |
| 03:51.15 | Rusty1 | !nvidia |
| 03:51.15 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 03:51.50 | Nyle | Warning: get_browser() [function.get-browser]: browscap ini directive not set in /home/stoned/public_html/index.php on line 4 <-- How do I set this in debian lenny? |
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| 03:59.54 | haole | hey there... i installed debian in a LVM structure into my /dev/sda4 partition... but i can't find info anywhere about how to configure grub to include this debian installation |
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| 04:00.04 | haole | where can i find this kind of information? |
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| 04:00.28 | enouf | Nyle: #php ? |
| 04:00.38 | dustybin | Rusty1: you saved my life |
| 04:00.49 | dustybin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.55 | dustybin | thank you :-) |
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| 04:01.27 | belendax | what diffrence bitween deb & bin files ? |
| 04:01.39 | enouf | ? |
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| 04:01.58 | enouf | a .deb is an ar fiel which contains other files |
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| 04:02.21 | enouf | a bin, should be a binary, or ELF |
| 04:02.58 | Nyle | enouf, go away |
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| 04:03.00 | Nyle | I figured it out |
| 04:03.03 | Nyle | you're a tard |
| 04:03.03 | enouf | (i should say, a .deb is an archive, but ar is good ;-)) |
| 04:03.13 | enouf | Nyle: i'm an old fart |
| 04:03.15 | belendax | when I install a package in debian is it bin or deb ? |
| 04:03.18 | Nyle | how ya doin |
| 04:03.20 | Nyle | long time no chat |
| 04:03.28 | enouf | ok - etttu? |
| 04:03.29 | jester45 | deb |
| 04:03.36 | Nyle | alhamdullillah |
| 04:03.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | unless its not... |
| 04:03.42 | enouf | nice.. |
| 04:04.18 | jester45 | well Kamping_Kaiser it could be neither because a deb is just a tarball |
| 04:04.26 | enouf | haole: poke around wiki.debian.org, but pretty much you need an initrd if / is on LVM |
| 04:04.26 | p1ngp0ng | how do i put java exec in PATH? |
| 04:04.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | jescis, yeah. i find the questoin as stated a bit vauge, but i guess 'deb' is a good enough anser |
| 04:04.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | *sp |
| 04:05.01 | belendax | when I install a package in debian is it bin or deb ? |
| 04:05.23 | enouf | haole: you would use, IIRC, something like root=/dev/VolGrp00/LV00 or .. maybe /dev/mapper/something |
| 04:05.30 | tonywt | belendax: deb |
| 04:05.32 | p1ngp0ng | deb is the installer and bin is the binary file that is used to install |
| 04:05.36 | haole | enouf: i did that, but i get error 17 |
| 04:05.42 | p1ngp0ng | i think atleast :P |
| 04:05.42 | haole | enouf: unsupported file system |
| 04:06.02 | enouf | haole: you need to have a, an initrd with the needed LVM modules (device mapper) |
| 04:06.21 | enouf | and FS and disk controller support |
| 04:06.28 | haole | enouf: how do i do that? does debian installer creates this things? |
| 04:06.32 | karlpinc | p1ngp0ng : It should already be there, if you installed java with the debian tools (apt, synaptic, aptitude, etc.) Otherwise edit ~/.bashrc (if you're running bash() |
| 04:06.36 | enouf | yes, it should |
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| 04:07.03 | enouf | haole: however .. go where i mentioned if this concerns RAID/Crypto |
| 04:07.23 | haole | enouf: my grub.conf: http://pastebin.com/d2aa2c536 |
| 04:07.49 | enouf | berzerka: .deb contain all sorts of files, dpkg -L <pkgname> to see what got installed for a particular pkg |
| 04:08.00 | jester45 | pingouin_, deb is just an archive with a control file inside |
| 04:08.12 | enouf | haole: i'm no LVM guru - just telling you what i think i know ;-) |
| 04:08.25 | haole | enouf: ok thanks :) |
| 04:08.47 | enouf | there's usually 3 files, one |
| 04:08.53 | enouf | 's a control file |
| 04:09.29 | karlpinc | haole : Yes, the debian installer does create the initrd. So, you can use dpkg-reconfigure on the kernel image to re-create it, or use mkintramfs or update-initramfs yourself. |
| 04:09.39 | enouf | the others are a .gz and a .dsc or something, IIRC, lmao .. and in that .gz are the files that get installed |
| 04:09.48 | enouf | go open one - ar -x |
| 04:10.21 | haole | karlpinc: i did the install the way the installer wanted, but i asked it not to configure my boot loader... so, i guess the problem is just there: the boot loader... could you give a quick look at my grub.conf? http://pastebin.com/d2aa2c536 |
| 04:11.58 | karlpinc | haole : What happens when you try to boot? (my brain is tired, can't help much now but may know the answer offhand.) |
| 04:12.23 | haole | error 17: unsupported or unknown file system |
| 04:12.28 | haole | something like that karlpinc |
| 04:12.51 | karlpinc | haole : That's from the boot loader? The grub menu never shows, right? |
| 04:12.53 | n8ature | the module "igb" is listed for the intel 82575EB network card on my motherboard is listed here: http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/PCI but I am not able to find it in the Etch install or Etchahalf install... does this mean i have to run testing? how do i get this module? |
| 04:12.57 | enouf | there is/was some bug concerning udev using wrong perms when creating /dev/ nodes and /dev/mapper, or something .. one sec ... here http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491114 |
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| 04:14.31 | enouf | n8ature: hrm .. you could install .. awe crap .. can you post the list of modules in the etchnhalf installer to pastebin? |
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| 04:17.28 | liable | igb is in kernel-wedge. should be supported |
| 04:18.36 | ahlfors | Why won't xscreensaver and kscreensaver play nice? Whenever the SS engages and then I press a key, the password prompt is from xscreensaver, not kscreensaver. |
| 04:18.52 | enouf | liable: i can't find much without more specific info - can you explain kernel-wedge? makes me hungry ;-) |
| 04:19.15 | n8ature | enouf: im trying to find that info online... i only have it on a terminal here.. working late at the data center.. dont even have a usb nic card laying around.. |
| 04:19.18 | enouf | liable: i did find 825*9*5 info in .24 sources |
| 04:19.58 | enouf | n8ature: can you boot a livecd that you know has support ? and show us lspci -nn output atleast? |
| 04:20.11 | liable | enouf: its the tool d-i uses to make the module packages for the installer. i dunno wether it would be in the etchnhalf installer, woulda thunk it would. |
| 04:20.19 | enouf | n8ature: i'll get it from where i know it is .. |
| 04:20.34 | enouf | n8ature: the module list i asked for i meant |
| 04:20.40 | enouf | mean* |
| 04:21.59 | n8ature | enouf: just typed these in from what i see on the terminal here.. http://pastie.org/258462 |
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| 04:22.42 | enouf | liable: not related at all to this, but someone asked me to add "For lenny backports, see http://kde4.debian.net/" to the kde4 factoid earlier - you use kde, right? just informing you ;-) |
| 04:23.08 | n8ature | yes.. a live cd.. let me try that.. think i have ubuntu here.. |
| 04:23.28 | liable | enouf: i dont use kde on my stable boxen. only the laptops :) |
| 04:23.45 | enouf | heh |
| 04:24.26 | ahlfors | Did kde4 just hit sid or something? |
| 04:26.20 | mhymn | after the lenny release |
| 04:26.39 | enouf | n8ature: i'm d/l the 130MB amd64 netinstaller for Etchnhalf now, will loop mount it and see what's there |
| 04:27.10 | enouf | read that url i just posted |
| 04:27.18 | enouf | ahlfors: ^^^ |
| 04:27.41 | enouf | for now, unstable users need to still pull from exp |
| 04:27.52 | enouf | (or should) |
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| 04:28.50 | ahlfors | Ah, so the kde4 on lenny situation is currently better than that of kde4 on sid? |
| 04:30.36 | n8ature | so ubuntu has the driver... |
| 04:31.14 | n8ature | can i copy the module over... or is it not going to work because debian etch is likely running a different kernel? |
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| 04:32.25 | arafangion | Hey, I have a conflict between udev and hotplug. How do I upgrade hotplug? |
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| 04:32.56 | arafangion | (Running Etch, but upgraded from 2.6.18 to 2.6.26 (Manually compiled kernel, using make-kpkg) |
| 04:33.04 | ahlfors | How stable are the experimental kde4 packages, and when do you think they'll hit unstable? |
| 04:33.06 | arafangion | ) |
| 04:33.46 | arafangion | ahlfors, The experimental kde4 packages are definetly experimental, hence their classification. |
| 04:33.57 | arafangion | ahlfors, They'll be stable once they are considered stable. |
| 04:34.07 | n8ature | maybe ill just install ubuntu on this box.. should be stable enough.. and a slightly unstable OS is better than an OS without network support.. :-) anyone run ubuntu on production servers? |
| 04:34.32 | ahlfors | ...and not, for example, a week away from going into sid, pending the fix of one critical bug in a component I'll never use? |
| 04:34.43 | arafangion | n8ature, Be aware that ubuntu has less mature package dependencies, so upgrades are likely to be hairier, particularly when you don't want to take the server offline. |
| 04:35.06 | enouf | crap .. they're all packed into .debs :-P file:///mnt/point/pool/main/l/linux-kernel-di-amd64-2.6/nic-modules-2.6.24-1-amd64-di_1.39_amd64.udeb |
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| 04:35.20 | arafangion | enouf, Crap indeed. :) |
| 04:35.26 | enouf | n8ature: ok then, i'll stop poking about then |
| 04:35.40 | enouf | arafangion: well .. it is a netinstall :-P |
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| 04:36.09 | liable | enouf: you can install udebs during install |
| 04:36.18 | enouf | arafangion: usually, CD 1 will have them all open/expanded, iirc - but i'm not even familiar with this newer lenny installer at all yet, so |
| 04:36.21 | arafangion | n8ature, On the other hand , some organisations are starting to officially support Ubuntu, so provided you use the latest LTS, might not be a bad system - just be aware that your irc support options become reduced. |
| 04:36.22 | liable | if you can find the correct version |
| 04:36.32 | enouf | liable: i know that - i just want to grep them |
| 04:36.47 | liable | enouf: look in it with mc |
| 04:36.58 | arafangion | enouf, I'm pretty sure they're ar-archives. |
| 04:37.09 | enouf | i know what they are |
| 04:37.22 | enouf | read up about 50 lines ;-) |
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| 04:37.34 | n8ature | enouf: hmm.. well.. yes, i would prefer to get this going.. this is a top of the line new supermicro server - should be to get debian stable on here.. is there backports for this module maybe? |
| 04:37.35 | liable | anyway, it should be in nic-extra-modules |
| 04:37.36 | arafangion | enouf, I didn't exist here, 50 lines ago. ;) |
| 04:37.47 | enouf | liable: that was my 2nd udeb to check ;-) |
| 04:38.03 | enouf | arafangion: welcome to the birthing :-P |
| 04:38.05 | arafangion | n8ature, I personally prefer to install Testing than to use Ubuntu - testing eventually becomes stable, anyway. |
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| 04:38.29 | enouf | n8ature: yes, Lenny will be stable .. soon ;-) |
| 04:38.42 | n8ature | arafangion: thanks.. yea i like ubuntu, im just not so sure about the xen support.. which is what this server will be.. |
| 04:38.59 | enouf | i mean, you can't really pick a better time to install a testing when you eventually want stable :-P |
| 04:39.00 | arafangion | enouf, I've had soooo many short lives. :( I swear, one of these days I'll switch to a different religion. :) |
| 04:40.16 | arafangion | I've had damn strange things happen with Ubuntu. Once, a routine apt-get upgrade removed all my gl.h headers. |
| 04:41.47 | arafangion | Cya |
| 04:41.53 | n8ature | hmm.. yes, i like the idea of going with testing now... debian doesn't have set release dates right.. so its not really known when lenny will become stable? |
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| 04:43.34 | arafangion | n8ature, Debian development is radically different to that of other distros, especially Ubuntu. |
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| 04:45.33 | ahlfors | It's slow, but stable is _stable_ |
| 04:46.19 | arafangion | And debian actually uses the same definition as the dictionary when it uses the term 'stable'. |
| 04:46.51 | enouf | liable: n8ature it is in there ./lib/modules/2.6.24-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ipg.ko |
| 04:47.06 | enouf | it;s in the nic-extra-modules as liable mentioned |
| 04:47.08 | dustybin | i managed to get the nvidia driver working on lenny kernel 2.6.25, but my previous xorg.conf doesnt work with it |
| 04:47.17 | dustybin | that is worrying |
| 04:47.52 | enouf | $ dpkg -x ./nic-extra-modules-2.6.24-1-amd64-di_1.39_amd64.udeb /location/to/extract/to |
| 04:47.59 | arafangion | dustybin, What's the difference. |
| 04:48.25 | dustybin | arafangion: im using special modelines to send a signal to my television, im using mythtv frontend |
| 04:48.29 | enouf | n8ature: note, that's from the EtchnHalf 130MB netinstall |
| 04:48.35 | dustybin | the xorg.conf worked perfectly before |
| 04:48.39 | ahlfors | I use debian unstable, and I'm impressed at how stable it is. Testing is more stable than most other distro's releases. Stable is awesome for something you want to deploy and patch but not upgrade for a long while |
| 04:48.40 | n8ature | ahlfors: right.. that makes sense |
| 04:48.46 | dustybin | but now the screen flicks on and off between terminal |
| 04:48.58 | arafangion | dustybin, Did you use the same nvidia drivers, or did you also upgrade nvidia drivers? |
| 04:49.00 | n8ature | enouf: you found it there? |
| 04:49.14 | dustybin | i upgraded them |
| 04:49.29 | enouf | er, i just showed you n8ature |
| 04:49.39 | arafangion | ahlfors, Just be aware that unstable is _always_ unstable, and it is pretty much guaranteed to break, even if it's _currently_ working well for you _now_. |
| 04:49.52 | n8ature | how do i make it happen with the install? i have tried normal and the network card is not detected.. i have tried expert.. and didnt find it there.. |
| 04:50.02 | n8ature | ah.. so after its installed i can just modprobe it... |
| 04:50.15 | arafangion | ahlfors, So be damn careful every time you upgrade or update your unstable system - or even add or remove packages. |
| 04:50.20 | enouf | it's in ./point/pool/main/l/linux-kernel-di-amd64-2.6/nic-extra-modules-2.6.24-1-amd64-di_1.39_amd64.udeb |
| 04:50.39 | enouf | you can modprobe it at the boot: prompt |
| 04:50.43 | ahlfors | I've been using it for five years, and I'm happy with the overall stability. I'm willing to fix the once-a-year broken package that's critical for my everyday work, and to look carefully at the bugs before dist-upgrading |
| 04:51.08 | arafangion | ahlfors, How did you handle the gcc-3.x to gcc-4.x transition? |
| 04:51.29 | n8ature | enouf: that doesn't seem to work though.. it doesnt find it.. |
| 04:51.29 | ahlfors | I had tex/latex and X break simultaneously once, and that was a dark day |
| 04:51.40 | n8ature | sec.. let me see... |
| 04:52.22 | ahlfors | arafangion, I don't remember that being an issue. For the longest time I had both installed and used gcc-3.4 to compile all of my kernels. More recently I switched to 4, which seems to be used for everything. |
| 04:52.29 | enouf | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s02.html.en#installer-args |
| 04:52.35 | arafangion | n8ature, That was when just about all c++ projects, particularly anything using qt, broke. |
| 04:52.38 | enouf | n8ature: ^^^^^^^^^ |
| 04:52.44 | arafangion | n8ature, As the C++ ABI changed. |
| 04:52.45 | ahlfors | Maybe I was forced to remove a package or two for a while because of gcc 3 vs 4 issues? |
| 04:52.58 | ahlfors | I don't dist-upgrade that often. Maybe monthly |
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| 04:53.24 | enouf | n8ature: but yes - you can also start the install, then switch to alt-f2 and modprobe it, and alt-f4 for messages |
| 04:54.28 | enouf | The syntax to use to set parameters for modules is: module_name.parameter_name=value If you need to pass multiple parameters to the same or different modules, just repeat this. For example, to set an old 3Com network interface card to use the BNC (coax) connector and IRQ 10, you would pass: 3c509.xcvr=3 3c509.irq=10 |
| 04:55.10 | enouf | the you have stuff like -> anna/choose_modules (modules) Can be used to automatically load installer components that are not loaded by default. Examples of optional components that may be useful are openssh-client-udeb |
| 04:55.23 | enouf | so, options are great |
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| 04:57.24 | enouf | and erm, that's the Stable installer guide (you pasted that much earlier concerning usb-booting/install) - i think you want the Lenny one, let's see |
| 04:57.39 | se7en | what tool would i use to get a single string like htt:// from a log file not like grep gives me the line |
| 04:58.19 | enouf | pretty much the same; http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/amd64/ch05s02.html.en#installer-args |
| 04:59.46 | enouf | se7en: you'll want to | sed .. |
| 05:00.00 | se7en | thanks enouf |
| 05:00.02 | enouf | or, try fgrep |
| 05:00.06 | htmlol | alright so |
| 05:00.19 | htmlol | I have here a Seagate FreeAgent Pro external hd. |
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| 05:00.56 | arafangion | htmlol, How interesting. |
| 05:01.05 | n8ature | enouf: great.. im working on this now.. you have really helped here.. |
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| 05:01.23 | htmlol | it works fine via firewire, however after I unmount it, it needs to be spun down. so I press the power button. problem is, after it goes off, my system crashes in about 30 seconds. first the keyboard goes and then the display. |
| 05:01.32 | htmlol | also, the caps lock light starts blinking. |
| 05:01.33 | enouf | n8ature: please file an installation report when done .. thanks ;-) |
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| 05:01.51 | mhymn | does any 'zend optimizer' package exist for etch? |
| 05:01.56 | enouf | n8ature: details are all in the guide ;-) |
| 05:02.39 | htmlol | someone suggested I unload the firewire_sbp2 module [that I loaded so it would work] before pressing the power button. does anyone have any other ideas? |
| 05:03.07 | dmoerner | htmlol, did you try that? or are you just asking the question without trying the proposed solution? |
| 05:03.36 | enouf | htmlol: hrm, firewire .. hrm, not sure if sdparm --command=stop /dev/sdX would help thre |
| 05:03.43 | htmlol | I'm going to try it in a minute after the files get done copying. I figured I might as well ask in the meanwhile. |
| 05:04.03 | htmlol | enouf: last time I tried an sdparm command, it caused that connection to become broken. (usb) |
| 05:04.04 | dmoerner | htmlol, ah. well it's worth a try to remove that module before shutting down |
| 05:04.32 | htmlol | yeah, it sounded like an alright suggestion. |
| 05:04.41 | enouf | htmlol: there were prior issues with USB_SUSPEND and it falling asleep and never awakening, etc http://alienghic.livejournal.com/382903.html |
| 05:04.58 | enouf | especially concerning your FreeAgent crap there :-p |
| 05:04.58 | arafangion | htmlol, Since it's firewire, it should work in a hot-plug fashion, try and get hotplug working. |
| 05:05.03 | htmlol | someone said it was probably a kernel panic, since the caps lock key was blinking |
| 05:05.10 | htmlol | it does work that way, kinda |
| 05:05.30 | htmlol | enouf: that's the exact commands I was using with USB that broke the usb connection. |
| 05:05.40 | htmlol | luckily, that problem doesn't exist with firewire |
| 05:05.50 | enouf | htmlol: have you tried just removing the cable once you sync and umount? rather than powering off? |
| 05:06.14 | enouf | htmlol: are you using a 6wire cable which supplies power? |
| 05:06.21 | enouf | IIRC |
| 05:06.36 | enouf | as opposed to 4 wire which doesn;t |
| 05:06.39 | htmlol | well, no I actually haven't. it didn't work with USB so I didn't think to do it here I suppose |
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| 05:06.48 | htmlol | oh, I don't know. would it say it on the cable? |
| 05:06.53 | htmlol | (it's just the one that came with it) |
| 05:07.06 | enouf | dude, just look .. i don't know man |
| 05:07.10 | htmlol | hehe |
| 05:07.38 | arafangion | In the style of the overly-helpful bystander, I might quip that counting skills might be neccessary. ;) |
| 05:07.51 | enouf | See, i'm not even sure the 6wire ones have even enough power for a HDD .. so .. |
| 05:08.14 | htmlol | cable doesn't say anything except 1394 on the ends. |
| 05:08.23 | htmlol | well, the drive plugs into the wall. |
| 05:08.27 | enouf | how many pins/prongs |
| 05:08.49 | enouf | uno, due, tre, quattro, cinque, se |
| 05:08.50 | htmlol | but, the lights on it only go on when I plug it into a computer. they stay on (for usb anyway) after I unplug it. |
| 05:09.08 | enouf | usb != Firewire dammit ;-) |
| 05:09.17 | htmlol | umm, i dunno. I'll check in a bit if you like, but it's transferring data right now so I can't :p |
| 05:09.31 | enouf | great time to show up and ask |
| 05:09.37 | htmlol | HA yeah I know. I'm just trying not to make the same mistakes I did with usb. since, if firewire breaks then I'm screwed. |
| 05:10.15 | htmlol | better than staring at cp do its work |
| 05:10.35 | enouf | htmlol: the URL above concerning the USB_SUSPEND issue only existed up to certain kernel versions, naturally, after that, it's fixed .. we hope |
| 05:11.11 | htmlol | well I ran the command before seeing if it was a problem, so..yeah |
| 05:11.46 | enouf | htmlol: so that thing has usb, firewire and eSata connectors? |
| 05:11.53 | htmlol | yes. |
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| 05:12.01 | enouf | tried esata yet? |
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| 05:12.31 | htmlol | no. it doesn't come with the cable, and it would be difficult since this is a laptop. |
| 05:13.03 | enouf | htmlol: expresscard <-> esata :-p |
| 05:13.21 | htmlol | wait, what? really!??! |
| 05:13.40 | enouf | haha .. and i bet the expresscard bus literally uses the USB controller/hub instead of true PCIe, lmao |
| 05:13.52 | enouf | it's hit-or-miss |
| 05:13.55 | htmlol | I thought it looked like this! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Sky_HD_Box.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Sky_HD_Box.jpg |
| 05:14.34 | enouf | a 3.3MB pic? |
| 05:14.50 | enouf | well, atleast it's clear O_o |
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| 05:15.16 | enouf | wait, is that your laptop? then you don't need expresscard |
| 05:15.29 | enouf | for the esata interface |
| 05:15.49 | htmlol | no it's not my laptop. lol |
| 05:15.56 | enouf | well ... don't know why they dropped the leading e :-p |
| 05:16.02 | htmlol | it's a sky hd digibox from wikipedia |
| 05:16.03 | enouf | what is it? |
| 05:16.05 | htmlol | yeah i dunno |
| 05:16.09 | htmlol | it's a sky hd digibox from wikipedia |
| 05:16.11 | htmlol | :P |
| 05:16.14 | se7en | enouf: fgrep -o is nearly what i need but how do i use * http://* brings baxk nothing |
| 05:16.15 | enouf | why are you showing us that? |
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| 05:16.49 | arafangion | se7en, Try putting quotation marks around the expression. |
| 05:16.53 | htmlol | because that's what I thought the port looked like and it's the only port picture wikipedia had |
| 05:17.30 | arafangion | htmlol, NONE of those ports are firewire ports. :) |
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| 05:17.42 | enouf | se7en: well, maybe | sed -e 's,http://.*,,' .. i don't know - i suck at regex man |
| 05:17.48 | htmlol | oh, I know. we were talking about eSATA. |
| 05:18.28 | arafangion | So not USB, and not firefire, ok. |
| 05:18.30 | enouf | se7en: you might like xml2 / html2 depending on your needs/uses |
| 05:18.52 | htmlol | arafangion: I'm still doing it with firewire. we were just having a side-convo about eSATA. |
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| 05:19.06 | arafangion | htmlol, Ahh, gotcha. |
| 05:19.49 | htmlol | alright, data is done. I'll unmount it... |
| 05:20.02 | enouf | htmlol: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=esata&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=1 |
| 05:20.09 | htmlol | and now I'll disconnect the cable... |
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| 05:20.46 | enouf | needs some sugar or something |
| 05:20.49 | arafangion | htmlol, If it's eSATA, and you're using tcp/ip, make sure you count to 20 - I'm pretty sure that's the default timeout. |
| 05:21.05 | arafangion | enouf, No, you just need coffee. |
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| 05:21.14 | htmlol | oh wow, that worked! |
| 05:21.19 | htmlol | that totally worked |
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| 05:21.33 | htmlol | disconnecting it made it spin down and no crash! |
| 05:21.43 | htmlol | why thank you fellas, that's just beautiful. |
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| 05:21.56 | arafangion | htmlol, It's not a solution, one day you'll forget to unplug it. |
| 05:22.05 | arafangion | htmlol, Merely an excellent diagnostic. |
| 05:22.12 | arafangion | Diagnostic step, rather. |
| 05:22.19 | htmlol | hehe |
| 05:22.25 | htmlol | nah I won't forget to unplug it |
| 05:22.40 | htmlol | I'd be going to greater troubles to lean over and hold down the power button |
| 05:22.55 | htmlol | which, after making my computer crash twice, isn't something I'm jumping to do |
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| 05:24.28 | Ariana|Rage | you unplug your computer instead of turning it off properly? |
| 05:24.31 | Ariana|Rage | gl keep doing that |
| 05:24.36 | htmlol | LOL |
| 05:24.37 | htmlol | no |
| 05:24.48 | htmlol | we're talking about an external hard driv |
| 05:24.48 | htmlol | e |
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| 05:25.04 | htmlol | and not unplugging it with the power, we're unplugging the firewire cable. |
| 05:25.05 | Ariana|Rage | mm i used to plug in hard drives and stuff while the comp was on |
| 05:25.13 | Ariana|Rage | i blew like 5 of them |
| 05:25.23 | Ariana|Rage | finally i figured out i should just be normal and turn it off first |
| 05:25.31 | Ariana|Rage | has saved a lot of money since then |
| 05:25.44 | htmlol | yeah but the external ones are meant to be hotplugged, no? |
| 05:26.06 | Ariana|Rage | uh the external hdds i had were the same as the ones internally |
| 05:26.09 | htmlol | shudders at his vaguely french sounding sentence |
| 05:26.22 | Ariana|Rage | i actually took out the one that came in it and put in a diff one in the external |
| 05:26.28 | Ariana|Rage | its just a case with a reg hdd in it |
| 05:26.40 | htmlol | oh. LOL |
| 05:26.48 | htmlol | yeah. you don't want to hotplug that. |
| 05:26.49 | Ariana|Rage | srsly open it up and look |
| 05:27.19 | htmlol | HA I don't want to be fucking around with this thing any more. |
| 05:27.42 | htmlol | me and jell y already broke the usb port. |
| 05:27.56 | htmlol | (putting the space so I don't hilight him) |
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| 05:31.57 | arafangion | htmlol, How did you actually break it? |
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| 05:32.23 | htmlol | I really don't know why it didn't just say in one of the million pages for the seagate HD, instead of all the complicated sdparm fixes, you could just plug it into a windows machine and use the software to tell it not to spin down automatically! |
| 05:32.34 | htmlol | arafangion: I ran all the commands here: http://alienghic.livejournal.com/382903.html |
| 05:32.35 | hatter | how will i lock a gnome desktop so that only a browser is open and cant be changed ? |
| 05:32.43 | htmlol | which caused it to not show up at all with the USB |
| 05:32.50 | htmlol | but it was still spinning |
| 05:32.57 | arafangion | htmlol, It's crap hardware indeed if software causes it to break. |
| 05:33.16 | htmlol | so jell y suggested I unplug it while it was still spinning |
| 05:33.26 | htmlol | one of the two things caused the USB port to not work anymore |
| 05:33.30 | htmlol | yes. |
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| 05:33.44 | htmlol | well at least it's cheap and attractive ;) |
| 05:34.25 | arafangion | htmlol, COnsider setting sdparm to restore whatever you need to restore when you issued the sdparm --clear command. |
| 05:35.29 | htmlol | what do you mean? |
| 05:36.09 | htmlol | well I could, but when it's plugged into the usb of a computer, the lights just go on and off in strange patterns and it doesn't show up to the machine at all. |
| 05:36.16 | arafangion | htmlol, ie, get the output of sdparm -a /dev/sde to be the same as it was originally. |
| 05:36.20 | htmlol | so I can't issue sdparm on a drive that it can't see |
| 05:36.44 | arafangion | htmlol, That's a pity, could be a firmware bug on the external device? |
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| 05:38.13 | htmlol | I don't know. I used the windows tools to check the device's hardware using firewire and it gave me an 8 digit error code which allows for it to be replaced, but then again a) I don't want to go through that trouble, and b) that tool is meant to be used with usb only. |
| 05:38.31 | arafangion | htmlol, Firmware bug. :) |
| 05:38.41 | linuxjones513 | so i just switched to lenny, and i did the base install, and installed my desktop and everything, but when i installed iceweasel it installed, but wont open, dosnet give me any errors when i run it from the ternimal or anything, just crashes |
| 05:41.40 | htmlol | yeah but I can't help but think that it's my fault |
| 05:41.50 | htmlol | I mean, it only stopped working after I issued those commands |
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| 05:42.17 | peter_12 | how does one package manager of an official debian package know the names of the files in his package do not collide with another package? |
| 05:42.35 | jester45 | they test it |
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| 05:42.56 | htmlol | hehehe |
| 05:43.02 | linuxjones513 | same problem with mozilla.... |
| 05:43.11 | enouf | peter_12: i bet all the nice tools in devscripts might help with that - but seek out #debian-mentors and read the nmg |
| 05:43.14 | enouf | !nmg |
| 05:43.14 | dpkg | hmm... nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg> |
| 05:43.30 | n8ature | enouf: i think you found the ipg.ko and mistook it for the igb.ko that is needed |
| 05:43.42 | enouf | n8ature: one sec |
| 05:44.07 | peter_12 | enouf: thanks |
| 05:44.12 | enouf | n8ature: crap ... oh ffs |
| 05:44.16 | n8ature | in the etchahalf net install.. |
| 05:44.28 | enouf | n8ature: i posted the exact thing i found too :-/ |
| 05:44.58 | n8ature | yea.. no worries.. i just figured that out.. back to square one.. you said you found it and i saw it wrong as well.. :-) |
| 05:45.11 | n8ature | anyway.. |
| 05:45.22 | n8ature | tried lenny.. not there either... |
| 05:45.23 | enouf | [00:46:09] <enouf> liable: n8ature it is in there ./lib/modules/2.6.24-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ipg.ko <-- my bad - sorry - now, let me see some other pkgs |
| 05:45.23 | p1ngp0ng | apt-get dist-upgrade. does that upgrade ethch to lenny? |
| 05:45.29 | p1ngp0ng | etch* |
| 05:45.29 | enouf | wow, really? |
| 05:45.47 | n8ature | only thing that sees this nic so far is ubuntu... |
| 05:46.02 | enouf | n8ature: are you booted into ubuntu? |
| 05:46.36 | enouf | n8ature: pastebin the lspci / lspci -nn / lspci -n output along with lsmod and dmesg |
| 05:46.38 | arafangion | Does anybody know if one can use ipw2200 if it is compiled into the kernel? |
| 05:46.43 | n8ature | not currently.. but yes, it did see the nic in ubuntu.. i can go back |
| 05:46.51 | n8ature | its this motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182127 |
| 05:46.53 | jester45 | pingp0ng if you changed your etch's to lenny in your sources.list and apt-get updated |
| 05:46.57 | enouf | the various lspci's are cause Ubuntus lspci is horribly broken |
| 05:46.59 | htmlol | !tell p1ngp0ng about etch->lenny |
| 05:47.02 | n8ature | dont think its all that new of a board.. |
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| 05:48.22 | p1ngp0ng | jester45: aah cool. thanks :) |
| 05:49.14 | enouf | n8ature: lenny's kernel is .25.+ so .. Aha! support upstream only starts showing in .25 |
| 05:50.05 | linuxjones513 | it seems like web browsers are the only things not working... |
| 05:50.29 | n8ature | the motherboard with a cd.. im going to try compiling the driver on there.. |
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| 05:52.20 | enouf | n8ature: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/amd64/linux-image-2.6.25-2-amd64/filelist |
| 05:52.30 | arafangion | !tell linux-love-r about doesn't work. |
| 05:52.35 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:54.02 | enouf | n8ature: see, now, that's not the installer kernel though .. well ... but why not just d/l that kernel, install without NIC use, then dpkg -i that kernel ;-) |
| 05:54.47 | enouf | you would do so anyway on 1st upgrade once installation is done |
| 05:54.56 | p1ngp0ng | why do i get "segmentation fault" when launching xmms in etch amd64? |
| 05:54.59 | n8ature | enouf: yea. that mght work.. currently compiling the driver for etch kernel however... lets see if this works |
| 05:55.16 | enouf | just make sure your depends all match http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-image-2.6.25-2-amd64 |
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| 05:58.07 | arafangion | p1ngp0ng, Possibly one of your libraries or modules is incompatible - or you've hit a bug in xmms. |
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| 05:58.23 | arafangion | p1ngp0ng, A seg fault occurs whenever a program tries to access memory it shouldn't. |
| 05:58.27 | iKs | Hi all ! |
| 05:58.33 | iKs | Could someone please nmap -p 25 ekupa.net ? |
| 05:58.38 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: when exactly do you get it? |
| 05:58.39 | iKs | And paste the result |
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| 05:58.53 | iKs | I think I have port 25 blocked by the ISP I'm using right now (I'm not at home) |
| 05:59.15 | p1ngp0ng | enouf: when i try to launch it |
| 05:59.19 | arafangion | iKs, And what assurance do we have that you actually own said server and won't get blacklisted by your ISP? |
| 05:59.30 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: strace it, is one thing to try |
| 06:00.05 | iKs | arafangion: what if I don't own the server ? oO |
| 06:00.24 | iKs | arafangion: you're just checking if a port is open anyway :D |
| 06:00.49 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: check BTS as well .. |
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| 06:01.13 | p1ngp0ng | enouf: ok hold on now. which syntax do i use with strace? |
| 06:01.16 | p1ngp0ng | and BTS? |
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| 06:01.47 | enouf | !bts |
| 06:01.48 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 06:02.36 | linuxjones513 | anyone know anything at all about this problem? |
| 06:03.03 | p1ngp0ng | aah |
| 06:03.09 | p1ngp0ng | but how do i use strace? |
| 06:03.12 | p1ngp0ng | -c? |
| 06:03.13 | enouf | strace -etrace=open,connect,socket xmms 2>/tmp/xmms.strace or something |
| 06:03.24 | enouf | or just |
| 06:03.24 | jetscreamer | !atheros |
| 06:03.25 | dpkg | Atheros Communications is a developer of semiconductors. Ask me about <madwifi> for wireless chipset drivers. Ask me about <atl1> or <atl2> for Ethernet adapter drivers. |
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| 06:03.35 | enouf | strace xmms 2>/tmp/xmms.strace.long or something |
| 06:04.10 | enouf | crap .. i don't use it often enough - i always have to play with the redirect options O_o |
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| 06:05.04 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | I'm trying to play TF2 in Wine but the text is all distorted |
| 06:05.20 | enouf | 2>&1>/tmp/logfile ... or yeah, use -ofile .. or |
| 06:05.42 | jetscreamer | can't you play tf2 in linux natively? |
| 06:05.46 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | No |
| 06:05.53 | jetscreamer | i know you could tf1 |
| 06:06.38 | p1ngp0ng | hehe |
| 06:06.41 | p1ngp0ng | im confused |
| 06:06.53 | p1ngp0ng | i think this is just a bit to much for my current linux knowledge :P |
| 06:07.28 | jetscreamer | play with it, p1ngp0ng, you might suprise yourself |
| 06:07.40 | jetscreamer | no pressure |
| 06:07.43 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | everything is like a triangle |
| 06:07.56 | jetscreamer | i've never done wine so... |
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| 06:08.19 | mhymn | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: #wine? |
| 06:08.23 | jetscreamer | maybe you need a font or something.. no idea |
| 06:08.46 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | it's TFC's font |
| 06:09.17 | jetscreamer | i'dtry the tfc page/channel whatever |
| 06:09.24 | jetscreamer | shrugs |
| 06:09.33 | jetscreamer | or #wine |
| 06:09.35 | jetscreamer | and |
| 06:09.45 | mhymn | #winehq |
| 06:09.53 | jetscreamer | err yeah that :) |
| 06:10.40 | mhymn | i myself made the same mistake! so dont worry ;) |
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| 06:15.29 | p1ngp0ng | jetscreamer: indeed i did surprise my self ;)0;2~ |
| 06:15.57 | jetscreamer | !congratulate p1ngp0ng |
| 06:15.57 | dpkg | Woohoo p1ngp0ng, you did it! |
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| 06:19.44 | dustybin | i have setup a vserver guest and assigned it its own NIC on my box |
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| 06:20.03 | dustybin | the NIC isnt actually connected to my network yet |
| 06:20.22 | p1ngp0ng | well, i only managed to get the strace to write to a file. nothing to congratulate me about :P |
| 06:20.27 | dustybin | however, the guest is still able to reach my network, how can i stop that from happening? |
| 06:20.41 | dustybin | "The only time you need snat/dnat, is if you want your "dmz" vservers to have non-routable addresses." |
| 06:20.49 | dustybin | but how?! |
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| 06:21.35 | p1ngp0ng | do i submit it to the BTS? |
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| 06:21.56 | p1ngp0ng | the strace output file that is |
| 06:29.18 | linuxjones513 | do i need kernel headers or source packages or something to get /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/build file? |
| 06:30.20 | liable | hmm, hotwayd has been borken for ages |
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| 06:34.05 | cydork | liable: headers.. but you wont get headers for 2.6.24 now.. upgrade the kernel.. |
| 06:34.13 | cydork | linuxjones513: ^^ |
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| 06:34.49 | mimcpher | I'm trying to remotely describe to somebody how to start the gui installer on the lenny beta netinst disk. Somebody help me out? Its been ages (woody) since I've used a debian installer. |
| 06:36.09 | jetscreamer | tell them 'hit f2 and then f3 and then f4...' |
| 06:36.18 | jetscreamer | when it first boots(the cd) |
| 06:36.18 | linuxjones513 | cydork, is there an easy way to do this? my linux experience is still pretty limited |
| 06:36.54 | jetscreamer | i think it's installgui or so, but i forget |
| 06:37.06 | jetscreamer | there's an expertgui or so also |
| 06:37.48 | jetscreamer | but all they have to do is hit the F keys |
| 06:37.54 | jetscreamer | and read and comprehend |
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| 06:38.46 | cydork | linuxjones513: yes aptitude install linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 linux-headers-2.6.25-2-686 |
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| 06:50.49 | Texou | hi :D |
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| 06:51.47 | Texou | rox: :) do you remember yesterday my bug about "glibc detected *** gnome-panel: malloc(): memory corruption:"? memtest86+ said "no error" |
| 06:53.43 | Texou | how can I report the bug so? |
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| 06:56.41 | iKs | I'd like to know how I can disable mail checking when I login using SSH |
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| 06:56.55 | iKs | I've set MAILCHECK to 0, which seems to work for mail checking periodically |
| 06:57.11 | iKs | but it still says "No mail." or "You have new mail." during log in.. |
| 06:57.37 | akio | have I missed something regarding the ntfs projects? |
| 06:57.55 | akio | was there a fork in the last year? |
| 06:58.13 | f00li5h | meow |
| 06:58.39 | f00li5h | which package should i reconfigure to change the console keyboard layout? |
| 06:59.27 | stew | iKs: you'd edit /etc/pam.d/ssh and get rid of the 'pam_mail.so' entry. be very careful when altering pam, you can leave your system in a state where you can no longer login if you make mistakes |
| 06:59.46 | icedtea | !lenny |
| 06:59.46 | dpkg | from memory, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>. |
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| 07:00.27 | iKs | stew: I read that, but I'd like to disable it only for myself (I'll use IMAP anyways to check my mails, but some other users might not do so) |
| 07:00.47 | iKs | stew: They might actually prefer to read their mails upon connection.. |
| 07:00.53 | stew | iKs: i doubt that is possible |
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| 07:02.16 | iKs | stew: hum.. then I don't know what to do... |
| 07:02.22 | iKs | !wwlr |
| 07:02.22 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
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| 07:02.44 | iKs | !siyh |
| 07:02.44 | dpkg | somebody said siyh was Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 07:03.03 | stew | iKs: if you cared that much you could compile your own version of pam_mail.so which allowed you add an exemption list somehow |
| 07:03.09 | iKs | !lenny status |
| 07:03.09 | dpkg | Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html |
| 07:03.14 | stew | iKs: please /msg the bot |
| 07:03.28 | iKs | OK, sorry :) |
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| 07:08.53 | joe__ | hey. Why the fuck does php pull apache2 as a dependency? |
| 07:09.42 | joe__ | I had just set up my Roxen server before I hit "apt-get install php5" and my httpd got into a race condition with apache2 for port 80. |
| 07:09.54 | joe__ | (on each additional boot, that is) |
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| 07:13.36 | arafangion | joe__, Reconfigure apache2, or Roxen to use a different port - or remove either. |
| 07:14.12 | joe__ | arafangion, I can't. |
| 07:14.15 | joe__ | I want Roxen. |
| 07:14.24 | joe__ | And if I remove apache2, it removes php5 as well. |
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| 07:15.10 | joe__ | Is there a way to remove the dependency manually? Or will I need to install wine and php for windows (the activestate compile) ? |
| 07:15.20 | joe__ | That seems like a *really* sucky solution imo. |
| 07:15.45 | arafangion | joe__, Then either remove apache and install php5 manually, or find a version of php5 that depends on roxen rather than apache, or configure apache to use a different port. |
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| 07:16.09 | joe__ | ah yea. Get the source and compile it myself? |
| 07:16.16 | joe__ | thanks :) |
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| 07:16.48 | arafangion | joe__, Try not to clobber your system when you do so. (ie, do it as a non-root user if at all possible, and move it to /opt/roxen or something) |
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| 07:17.14 | arafangion | joe__, Then ensure the permissions are set appropriately. |
| 07:19.04 | joe__ | arafangion, I'm talking about php. Roxen works fine. |
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| 07:19.38 | joe__ | and I'd probably need root for Roxen anyway, since it needs to listen on port <1024? I don't know - I'm pretty new to linux administration |
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| 07:20.15 | arafangion | joe__, You need root only to bind to port < 1024, and to set the permissions correctly. You don't need root to merely call gcc and the various auto* tools to _compile_ php. |
| 07:20.35 | arafangion | joe__, I used /opt/roxen as a placeholder for "roxen's stuff". |
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| 07:24.20 | SpeedyG | Hi, i've got a problem unpacking dvd's which are packed with rar.. after unpacking the first file, it just states 'failed' and quits.. is there a way to solve this? |
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| 07:25.21 | joe__ | arafangion, btw... My debian install suddenly fails at finding my cd-rom drive. |
| 07:25.27 | joe__ | I think it |
| 07:25.39 | joe__ | 's messing up the scsi drivers. What can I do about it? |
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| 07:28.25 | arafangion | joe__, Odd, I assumed you already had debian installed if you've already got Roxen going. |
| 07:29.05 | SpeedyG | hm, nvm |
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| 07:31.31 | topls | cuckold? |
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| 07:33.02 | topls | Lagbolt <- nice handle |
| 07:33.04 | joe__ | arafangion, I have. |
| 07:33.16 | Lagbolt | thanks |
| 07:33.18 | joe__ | It installed fine from the cd drive. I just can't see it now :( |
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| 07:34.03 | iceman` | hi, i seem to be having a problem with my etherent... |
| 07:34.21 | iceman` | it works fine for the first 15 -24 hours or so, but then keeps disconnecting... |
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| 07:34.40 | iceman` | at first i thought it was a problem with my isp but when i reboot, it gets better |
| 07:34.58 | topls | router? |
| 07:35.02 | arafangion | iceman`, Could be dhcp related. |
| 07:35.06 | iceman` | no cable modem |
| 07:35.13 | iceman` | yes thats what i'm thinking |
| 07:35.17 | iceman` | dhcp i mean |
| 07:35.51 | joe__ | iceman`, are you from .ro? |
| 07:35.54 | topls | i had a prob a few weeks ago where the cable modem would freak out the router |
| 07:36.01 | iceman` | no .pk |
| 07:36.15 | iceman` | its been happening for a while now, and i thought it was the isp so i kept buggin them |
| 07:36.22 | iceman` | but i think its at my end now |
| 07:36.33 | iceman` | running lenny btw |
| 07:36.56 | topls | hmmm. don't know |
| 07:37.09 | iceman` | any way to fiddle with the dhcp settings? |
| 07:37.31 | topls | there is a config file and reload proceedure |
| 07:37.51 | iceman` | reload procedures? |
| 07:38.07 | topls | don't know. have a router w dhcp (dd-wrt) |
| 07:38.24 | iceman` | ah |
| 07:38.25 | iceman` | i c |
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| 07:38.29 | stew | joe__: "aptitude install php5-cli libapache2-mod-php5-" |
| 07:38.51 | stew | joe__: php5-cli will satisfy the php5 dependency, thus letting you remove libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 07:39.08 | iceman` | anywya to "refresh" dhcp without having to reboot? |
| 07:39.44 | stew | iceman`: you can run "dhclient" or "/etc/init.d/networking restart" or something like "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" |
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| 07:40.12 | topls | wow |
| 07:40.18 | iceman` | stew i've been doing ifdown; ifup. |
| 07:40.23 | iceman` | wc topls |
| 07:40.26 | iceman` | *wb |
| 07:40.26 | topls | something similar to /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart |
| 07:40.47 | topls | once you deit the config file |
| 07:41.01 | iceman` | i dont think i should restart the server, coz i only need the client :) |
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| 07:41.15 | iceman` | i;ll try the networking restart next time it happens |
| 07:41.19 | topls | im a newbie |
| 07:41.30 | topls | ish |
| 07:41.32 | stew | iceman`: networking restart will do ifdown then ifup |
| 07:41.39 | iceman` | :) |
| 07:41.45 | iceman` | oh |
| 07:41.56 | iceman` | thats what i'm already doing with my script |
| 07:41.59 | topls | that would re-dhcp you |
| 07:42.40 | iceman` | would rm-ing the dhcp files and then restarting networking help? |
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| 07:45.28 | topls | do the logs tell you why the net is going down? |
| 07:46.01 | iceman` | no, it just loses the ip; which log file should i check? |
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| 07:47.15 | topls | not sure. but there should be some way to see why the ip goes away, ie dhcp lease expire, timeout |
| 07:47.57 | arafangion | Consider what happens when the ISP runs out of ip addresses. |
| 07:48.07 | topls | dmseg? cat /var/log/messages |
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| 07:50.03 | iceman` | network is logging to dmesg and syslog |
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| 07:50.10 | iceman` | i'll check it next time it happens |
| 07:50.19 | Texou | no idea please for "glibc detected *** gnome-panel: malloc(): memory corruption:"? memtest86+ said "no error" |
| 07:50.25 | Texou | ? |
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| 07:52.42 | topls | cool. yeah, i dunno. ive had cable for like 8 years and 2 location, everyso often it just flips out for a few days. sillyness. |
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| 07:53.52 | iceman` | ok ty topls |
| 07:54.11 | iceman` | i also have another minor annoyance |
| 07:54.38 | iceman` | for some reason ethernet packets are logged to terminals, the ones you get by pressing ctrl+alt+fn. any ideas? |
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| 07:55.48 | arafangion | icedtea, That's the default location for such syslogs. |
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| 07:56.12 | iceman` | how can i change it arafangion? |
| 07:56.31 | iceman` | it gets really annoying when youre trying to issue commands |
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| 07:58.50 | arafangion | http://sdn.vlsm.org/share/Debian-Doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch11.en.html |
| 07:59.56 | iceman` | ty |
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| 08:05.12 | \3TATUK | err i checked "line-in capture" in my audio settings and now i can't uncheck it |
| 08:05.16 | \3TATUK | any way to reset the settings? |
| 08:05.17 | \3TATUK | help? |
| 08:05.26 | cahoot | alsamixer |
| 08:05.52 | \3TATUK | i don't see it in there |
| 08:06.07 | cahoot | run it in terminsl |
| 08:06.12 | cahoot | terminal |
| 08:06.14 | \3TATUK | i have |
| 08:06.17 | \3TATUK | this doesn't help |
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| 08:07.17 | cahoot | not even if you enable All? |
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| 08:07.27 | \3TATUK | yes |
| 08:07.31 | \3TATUK | not even if i enable All |
| 08:07.35 | Joint | hey i have a question how come when i do modprobe ndiswrapper i get this error FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. |
| 08:07.37 | Joint | any ideas? |
| 08:07.38 | icedtea | arafangion: eh? |
| 08:07.54 | icedtea | oh |
| 08:08.45 | Joint | any ideaS? |
| 08:08.53 | Lagbolt | Joint, did you install it? |
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| 08:09.01 | Joint | Lagbolt, how do i insatlled it? |
| 08:09.10 | \3TATUK | any ideas for me? :x |
| 08:09.19 | Lagbolt | Joint, i use module-assistant |
| 08:09.23 | Lagbolt | ever use it? |
| 08:09.26 | Joint | nope never |
| 08:09.40 | Joint | module-assistant ndiswrapper? |
| 08:09.42 | \3TATUK | maybe i'll try reinstalling alsa |
| 08:09.59 | Lagbolt | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 08:09.59 | dpkg | ndiswrapper one-liner is, like, as root: "aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ndiswrapper && modprobe ndiswrapper && echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules". Install the NDIS driver via "ndiswrapper -i <inf file>", refer to the ndiswrapper man page. |
| 08:10.10 | Lagbolt | Joint, what is your wireless card? |
| 08:10.19 | Lagbolt | Joint, do you even know if it is supported with ndiswrapper? |
| 08:10.41 | Joint | Lagbolt, yes it is |
| 08:10.42 | cahoot | \3TATUK: reinstall is seldom the solution |
| 08:10.50 | \3TATUK | well what the heck |
| 08:10.54 | \3TATUK | this idiotic glitch! |
| 08:11.02 | cahoot | patience might be |
| 08:11.10 | Lagbolt | \3TATUK, did you restart alsa? |
| 08:11.22 | \3TATUK | .. |
| 08:11.22 | Lagbolt | Joint, did you see the one liner? |
| 08:11.23 | \3TATUK | how? |
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| 08:11.36 | Joint | Lagbolt, yes i did =) |
| 08:11.44 | Lagbolt | you have to download and install the driver as well |
| 08:11.54 | Lagbolt | do you have it? |
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| 08:15.47 | iceman` | arafangion: there isn't an entry to a tty in syslogd.cong, i dont get it |
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| 08:27.42 | arafangion | iceman`, True, it's the default. |
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| 08:28.54 | Pavlz-1 | hello |
| 08:29.07 | Pavlz-1 | could you suggest me a client sip ? |
| 08:29.21 | Pavlz-1 | gnomenetmeeting does not work |
| 08:29.28 | Pavlz-1 | ekiga :-( |
| 08:29.34 | arafangion | ekiga, though I don't use it. (Deaf) |
| 08:29.54 | Pavlz-1 | something better ? |
| 08:30.00 | arafangion | If ekiga doesn't work, you have issues. |
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| 08:31.45 | Pavlz-1 | i need of a client sip that could run on mac os x, windows and GNU/linux |
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| 08:32.11 | Pavlz-1 | why in my family any got windows, others mac os x |
| 08:32.43 | Pavlz-1 | and i with GNU/linux and my cousin GNU/linux and windows |
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| 08:33.22 | Pavlz-1 | so i need a client that we can use |
| 08:33.31 | Dharmesh | hi everyone in the room |
| 08:34.08 | Pavlz-1 | no in different parts of italy |
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| 08:34.26 | Pavlz-1 | rome-tuscany-puglia |
| 08:35.07 | Pavlz-1 | i opened a chat but i voice on irc there is not |
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| 08:35.56 | arafangion | Pavlz-1, You should be able to use separate clients, provided that they use the same standards, but if you're really, really stuck, you could give the (ugh) skype a go. |
| 08:36.16 | Pavlz-1 | :-( |
| 08:36.27 | Pavlz-1 | not free software skype |
| 08:36.41 | Pavlz-1 | only binary |
| 08:36.48 | arafangion | Pavlz-1, First, get something that works between two linux machines, or two windows machines, or two mac os x machines. |
| 08:36.51 | Pavlz-1 | no source code, no gpl |
| 08:37.16 | arafangion | Pavlz-1, Figure it out, get it to work, then find programs that work with it on the other OS's. If you can't do that, repeat for a different program. |
| 08:37.20 | arafangion | I'm out. |
| 08:37.23 | arafangion | Bye. |
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| 08:37.28 | Pavlz-1 | yes, but to have on windows free software is better |
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| 08:50.12 | Pavlz-1 | i found kphone |
| 08:50.30 | Pavlz-1 | but i don't know how to import with synaptic |
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| 08:53.03 | anddam | hello |
| 08:53.22 | Lagbolt | hi |
| 08:53.53 | anddam | is upgrading from testing to next stable easier than switching between two stable release? |
| 08:54.12 | Lagbolt | anddam, i think that is dependent on a few things lol |
| 08:54.12 | anddam | I'm on etch now and wonder if I shoul upgrade to lenny before it get stable or not |
| 08:54.47 | anddam | I mean easier not for me but for the upgrading process |
| 08:55.02 | Lagbolt | anddam well i use testing and everything works well for me but i use xfce so no major desktop dependencies to worry about |
| 08:56.09 | alturiak | well, since lenny is nearing release, it shouldn't be much of a difference. an advantage of upgrading from oldstable to stable is detailed release-notes, though |
| 08:56.13 | Lagbolt | and right now it is frozen so i think only bug fixes are going in |
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| 09:16.20 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:16.20 | dpkg | i heard qotd95 is <WiFiTux> Is there a way I could make Doom 3 run faster? I mean, can I run it in a tty, or somewhere else? |
| 09:16.28 | wols | anddam: uprading from stable to stable is the most tests way |
| 09:16.38 | wols | not stable->testing->stable |
| 09:16.43 | anddam | k |
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| 09:16.57 | anddam | the "most tests"? |
| 09:17.01 | anddam | terse? |
| 09:17.09 | wols | *tested |
| 09:17.12 | anddam | ah |
| 09:17.45 | wols | upgrading to testing usually works too, but if it doesn't it's not the DDs fault but yours. with stable-stable, DDs have the responsibility |
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| 09:22.40 | in33dhelp | #debian wake up! |
| 09:23.12 | in33dhelp | I installed Debian Net and now i need to format it :/ |
| 09:23.17 | Ab3l | hi - little "bug" - in filenames ntfs-3g/samba - can't read nor write files with some non POSIX characters. |
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| 09:23.46 | in33dhelp | debian is fucking me up >=[ |
| 09:24.22 | liable | what is debian Net ? |
| 09:24.22 | cahoot | you need to format what? |
| 09:24.27 | in33dhelp | i just want to get rid of it and make my harddrive completly blank |
| 09:24.48 | liable | aww |
| 09:25.12 | wols | so do it |
| 09:25.12 | in33dhelp | is it possible to wipe the drive in netbios? |
| 09:25.15 | in33dhelp | i cant |
| 09:25.27 | in33dhelp | i barly know how to use a linux console :/ |
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| 09:25.41 | wols | no it's not. ask a dehian related question, netbios is a windows tech. we don't support windows |
| 09:25.57 | in33dhelp | ok then help me remove debian |
| 09:26.09 | wols | use a fdisk program and delete its partitions |
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| 09:26.21 | in33dhelp | fdisk? |
| 09:26.25 | anddam | bye |
| 09:26.46 | liable | stick a windows cd in. it has an uncanny ability to seek and destroy other os's |
| 09:26.53 | amphi | liable: ;) |
| 09:27.16 | cahoot | liable: you mean clean and restore? |
| 09:27.24 | in33dhelp | i just want to put ubuntu on it :( |
| 09:27.38 | liable | ah, yes. mind my ignorance |
| 09:27.48 | wols | in33dhelp: you do not need to delete debian first. ubuntu will be able to overwrite debian all on its own |
| 09:27.55 | liable | in33dhelp: so stick a ubuntu cd in and be happy |
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| 09:28.10 | in33dhelp | thats the problem, i stick the cd in and it goes straight to the debian grub |
| 09:28.21 | hoxu | in33dhelp, check the boot order from bios |
| 09:28.22 | liable | then the cd is no good |
| 09:28.24 | wols | then you don't have a clue about your BIOS |
| 09:28.30 | amphi | in33dhelp: why? why would you use a malformed child of debian, rather than the noble parent? |
| 09:28.33 | wols | set your BIOS to boot from CD |
| 09:28.41 | in33dhelp | i know the cd is good because i tested it on my other hd |
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| 09:28.56 | wols | amphi: shush! do you really want him to use debian and bother you with his trivial problems? |
| 09:28.58 | wols | you really do? |
| 09:29.01 | Arrowmaster | if you cant get your bios to boot a cd then maybe you should stick with windows or osx |
| 09:29.05 | jaalto | How do I find out device if syslog refers to "device 0000:00:0d.0" |
| 09:29.13 | cahoot | in33dhelp: told your bios you want boot from cd? |
| 09:29.20 | in33dhelp | yes :/ |
| 09:29.24 | wols | jaalto: context |
| 09:29.33 | amphi | wols: you have a point |
| 09:29.34 | hoxu | in33dhelp, then it's the media |
| 09:29.37 | jaalto | wols: "DMA: Out of SW-IOMMU space for 65536 bytes at device 0000:00:0d.0" |
| 09:29.45 | wols | in33dhelp: then the cd will work. it#s not a debian problem when its grub comes but a bios or hardware one |
| 09:29.58 | wols | jaalto: lspci -nn |
| 09:30.37 | jaalto | wols: Thanks |
| 09:31.37 | liable | what are we going to do tonight brain? why, take over all the bioses in the world so they only boot debian! |
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| 09:33.18 | in33dhelp | shut the fuck up |
| 09:33.54 | wols | in33dhelp: don't do this or you will be made a goner |
| 09:34.09 | in33dhelp | liable is being an ass |
| 09:34.12 | in33dhelp | :( |
| 09:34.30 | amphi | alas, poor liable |
| 09:34.33 | Arrowmaster | like i said |
| 09:34.35 | Arrowmaster | if you cant get your bios to boot a cd then maybe you should stick with windows or osx |
| 09:35.10 | in33dhelp | dude its simply not working |
| 09:35.24 | in33dhelp | it will work in the hd with windows on it |
| 09:35.29 | in33dhelp | but not the one with debian |
| 09:35.33 | Arrowmaster | 'hd'? |
| 09:35.39 | amphi | !blame debian |
| 09:35.39 | dpkg | blames phlux and debian for the end of culture as we know it |
| 09:35.42 | in33dhelp | hardrive |
| 09:35.52 | liable | in33dhelp: dont be so glum. you have a hardware issue somewhere, and you are blaming debian. take a deep breath, think about what you have done, and try explain it succinctly so we may help. there is no good reason why debian would stop your box from booting a ubuntu cd. |
| 09:35.53 | Arrowmaster | hard drive has nothing to do with it |
| 09:35.57 | wols | in33dhelp: the ass is only you by insulting other people |
| 09:36.35 | Arrowmaster | do you mean 'the other computer' with windows on it? |
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| 09:37.27 | in33dhelp | it will give me a choice to boot window or ubuntu , but it all points to debian |
| 09:37.34 | in33dhelp | windows* |
| 09:38.09 | in33dhelp | im confusing yall and my self |
| 09:38.55 | simonrvn | !qotd0 |
| 09:38.56 | dpkg | well, qotd138 is <PerfDave> tkooda: SO READ THE FUCKING MANUAL FOR THE FUCKING THING YOU'RE FUCKING WELL UPGRADING TO, YOU FUCKING MORON! |
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| 09:39.50 | in33dhelp | ok on harddrive1 it has windows and the live boot works on it, when i switch to the harddrive with debian on it , it just doesent work |
| 09:40.02 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 09:40.02 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 09:40.21 | Arrowmaster | omg lol |
| 09:40.31 | streuner_ | !forget qotd138 |
| 09:40.31 | in33dhelp | it wont boot from cd... |
| 09:40.31 | dpkg | streuner_: i forgot qotd138 |
| 09:40.35 | amphi | !aolify Arrowmaster |
| 09:40.36 | dpkg | whispers 'pls stfu kthx' in Arrowmaster's ear |
| 09:40.38 | simonrvn | wols: good morning, you fucking mindreader :) |
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| 09:40.40 | liable | in33dhelp: that doesnt make sense. you dont switch to a harddrive to boot a cd |
| 09:40.48 | in33dhelp | no |
| 09:40.50 | simonrvn | streuner_: why did you do that? |
| 09:40.50 | ttl- | greetings |
| 09:40.58 | ttl- | hey liable! |
| 09:41.00 | liable | streuner_: why did you delete that? |
| 09:41.00 | wols | simonrvn: PCification |
| 09:41.05 | streuner_ | simonrvn: its not helpful for us |
| 09:41.15 | streuner_ | liable: see ^^^^ |
| 09:41.24 | wols | streuner_: then one would need to delete ALL quotes |
| 09:41.26 | wols | they never are |
| 09:41.28 | in33dhelp | i got 2 harddrives and i want to put ubuntu on the second one but it isnt booting from the cd |
| 09:41.41 | wols | in33dhelp: this is not a debian problem at all |
| 09:41.47 | streuner_ | wols: some are, but most aren't, true |
| 09:41.50 | TiMiDo | Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to load module "libgnomebreakpad.so": libgnomebreakpad.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 09:41.52 | ttl- | Hi wols! |
| 09:41.53 | TiMiDo | anyone know why? |
| 09:41.57 | TiMiDo | im getting this error? |
| 09:42.03 | liable | streuner_: we have enough channel of that with some ops, we dont need every user thinking they know what the channel doesnt need deleting shit |
| 09:42.03 | et | the quote was not family friendly ;) |
| 09:42.08 | wols | TiMiDo: cause that file is missing? |
| 09:42.15 | TiMiDo | wols, how do i download it though? |
| 09:42.28 | wols | !tell TiMiDo about search |
| 09:42.39 | liable | hmm, that didnt make much sense.. |
| 09:42.54 | simonrvn | it's a QOTD, FFS, it's a record of the channel history, the funnier moments.. |
| 09:42.56 | wols | !coffee liable |
| 09:42.56 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of fair trade Peruvian for liable, courtesy of wols |
| 09:43.12 | liable | in33dhelp: and you say you have tested this ubuntu cd? |
| 09:44.09 | liable | i think i need more than coffee. every time i reread that, my brain dies a little bit more |
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| 09:44.51 | simonrvn | stop reading it then, and have a beer :P |
| 09:45.39 | ttl- | i'm usibg lenny, before i reinstall lenny, is there a way to find out how a particular module gets loaded and why options in /etc/modprobe.d do not work at al because the module gets loaded before that? |
| 09:45.59 | in33dhelp | wow i cant beilive how fucking retarded you guys are , thinking your some badasses but when your nothing! |
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| 09:46.24 | cahoot | the badasses are still asleep |
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| 09:46.31 | rchi | tense |
| 09:46.33 | liable | bah, i actually was wanting to help the tard |
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| 09:47.05 | liable | oh well, he'll get some ubuntu love i guess. |
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| 09:47.33 | boodie | Hi |
| 09:48.06 | boodie | Anybody could suggest a webcam working with etch? |
| 09:48.24 | ttl- | i removed modutils and reinstalled module-init-tools after moving /etc/modprobe.d and /etc/modutils to a backup location but no result, module still gets loaded and options file in /etc/modprobe.d is ignored...? |
| 09:48.39 | wols | !tell ttl- about blacklist |
| 09:48.41 | liable | ohno |
| 09:48.45 | streuner_ | boodie: all networking webcams work, because they don't need a driver |
| 09:48.53 | liable | ttl-: you *still* doing this? |
| 09:49.03 | nmh_2Grajw | boodie: have you checked with the specific software you plan on using with it? |
| 09:49.10 | ttl- | liable: yes :) |
| 09:49.16 | wols | liable: what is he doing? breaking his debian intentionally? that's how it looks like at least |
| 09:49.26 | ttl- | liable: but not found the reason |
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| 09:49.43 | wols | ttl-: why do you do these crazy things? |
| 09:49.49 | liable | wols: no, and your memory sucks. he wants madwifi loaded with certain options, and ath5k blacklisted |
| 09:49.59 | \3UHY | Is there a command line utility to play internet audio streams? |
| 09:50.09 | wols | liable: I'm feeling like a living dead here. gimme some slack |
| 09:50.10 | liable | \3UHY: mplayer can |
| 09:50.12 | cahoot | mplayer? |
| 09:50.14 | streuner_ | mpg321? |
| 09:50.25 | streuner_ | !info mpg321 |
| 09:50.29 | boodie | nmh_2Grajw: no, in fact; could it be ekiga ? |
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| 09:50.45 | dpkg | mpg321: (mpg123 clone that doesn't use floating point), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.2.10.4 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 09:50.49 | \3UHY | i'll try mpg321 |
| 09:51.12 | ttl- | wols: because i'm trying to get the options in /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi to work and get the NIC into master mode when the ath_pci module loads |
| 09:51.46 | liable | ttl-: so where are you up to? |
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| 09:52.04 | nmh_2Grajw | boodie: so, I have no idea what I am talking about, have you checked video4linux docs? |
| 09:52.07 | SpeedyG | is it possible to prevent certain sudo actions from being logged ? |
| 09:52.13 | liable | wols: no slack for you! |
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| 09:52.49 | ttl- | liable: just want to make /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi to work, no it seems to be ignored somehow... |
| 09:52.59 | ttl- | now* |
| 09:53.37 | ttl- | liable: i want to set up a wireless access point on this pc |
| 09:54.25 | ttl- | liable: and i want to know what loads the modules early |
| 09:54.45 | liable | ttl-: rethinking your problem makes my brain hurt. there must be something loading it before the file is read |
| 09:54.49 | ttl- | liable: but my knoledge seems to be to limited to find the culprit |
| 09:55.11 | ttl- | knowledge* |
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| 09:56.42 | boodie | Ok, I've to go now; see youp again ... thanx |
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| 09:57.07 | ttl- | liable: yeah i know, it is driving me crazy too :) |
| 09:57.09 | Nyle | hm |
| 09:57.10 | Nyle | hey |
| 09:57.15 | Nyle | whats up at 6am |
| 09:57.41 | SpeedyG | Hey, is it possible to prevent certain sudo actions from being logged in /var/log/auth.log ? |
| 09:58.21 | ttl- | liable: is there some kind of debug output or logging i can turn on to tell me what is loading it? |
| 09:58.52 | liable | ttl-: dont think so |
| 09:58.54 | g00se | If i start a remote X app over ssh, when the window appears, it's often not in the workspace from which i started it, but in the workspace in which i'm currently working. Is this normal? |
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| 09:59.06 | liable | ttl-: you got another kernel installed on that box? |
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| 09:59.10 | Nenillo | hi, how can I activate APM on debian? |
| 09:59.42 | ttl- | liable: i have 4 2.6 kernels on this box and all give the same result |
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| 10:00.10 | ttl- | liable: all original debian kernels |
| 10:01.06 | ttl- | liable: on another box with the same kernel all works perfect, all config files identical |
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| 10:01.33 | liable | ttl-: hmm. really? |
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| 10:02.15 | liable | ttl-: you have some file somewhere that you have forgotten about, i am damn sure of it |
| 10:02.53 | ttl- | liable: yeah must be but how can it get executed |
| 10:03.07 | ttl- | liable: some kind of script dunno |
| 10:03.22 | ttl- | liable: but i do not understand how it gets loaded |
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| 10:04.18 | ttl- | liable: i searched the whole /etc directory for a string containing "ath" and found nothing special |
| 10:04.22 | liable | ttl-: madwifi used to/does include module loading/unloading scripts |
| 10:04.38 | liable | ttl-: in /etc/network? |
| 10:04.49 | liable | ttl-: in /etc/wpasupplicant? |
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| 10:06.04 | liable | i know there was a madwifi centric script in /etc/network |
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| 10:07.53 | ttl- | liable: grep does not find anything with ath in it that i don't know of in the whole /etc tree |
| 10:08.59 | ttl- | liable: i don't have a /etc/wpasupplicant |
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| 10:09.12 | liable | ttl-: hmm, /etc/network/if-post-down/z50madwifi.. |
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| 10:09.22 | liable | and pre-up.. |
| 10:09.28 | feighm | will lenny support SATA on install? |
| 10:09.57 | valdyn | feighm: sata is what connects controlers to disks, it doesnt get support at all |
| 10:10.25 | valdyn | feighm: maybe you want to ask if your sata controller is supported, we dont know |
| 10:10.37 | valdyn | feighm: ( unless you tell us which one it is ) |
| 10:11.15 | Vinaduro | hi there guys, I'm new to linux, and I'm trying to figure out which package to install to be able to use the "IP" command. Can anyone help? |
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| 10:12.18 | liable | ttl-: you'll probably find you can set the mode in interfaces if you follow the correct doc trial |
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| 10:12.28 | liable | trail* |
| 10:12.35 | feighm | valdyn: my MB is VIA. I dunno what drivers I need to use the HDD. |
| 10:13.07 | liable | ttl-: namely for your madwifi-modules package i would tink |
| 10:13.21 | feighm | valdyn: my MB is a P5M-900. It's Dual Core, probably a little too new for the release of Etch. Not sure though. |
| 10:13.30 | Vinaduro | like for example if I do "sudo ip addr add" then it tells me " ip: command not found" |
| 10:13.48 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 10:13.49 | dpkg | i heard driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 10:14.55 | ttl- | liable: ok i'll try it that way, thanks |
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| 10:14.57 | cydork | !tell Vinaduro -about search |
| 10:15.34 | liable | ttl-: you could try moving those scripts elsewhere first i guess and rebooting |
| 10:16.20 | feighm | valdyn: sorry. I've mistaken my faith in Linux by using Ubuntu. I'm on Windows right now, but I'll dual boot later. |
| 10:16.25 | ttl- | liable: ok i'll try it that this evening, i have to go now, but logged everything, thanks! |
| 10:16.34 | liable | gl |
| 10:16.58 | ttl- | liable: thnks! |
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| 10:20.32 | Vinaduro | I have been searching and battling for the last 6 hours cydork |
| 10:20.41 | Vinaduro | I can't figure out the package name |
| 10:21.02 | Vinaduro | I've even gone through every package on my ubuntu install trying to figure it out |
| 10:21.24 | valdyn | !ubuntu |
| 10:21.24 | Vinaduro | ubuntu has it automatically installed |
| 10:21.24 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 10:21.27 | cydork | Vinaduro: iproute |
| 10:21.38 | cydork | Vinaduro: And read the Damn topic. |
| 10:21.54 | Vinaduro | thank you cydork |
| 10:22.58 | cydork | Vinaduro: ok i am confused now.. you are using debian right? |
| 10:24.45 | Vinaduro | I am installing debian on an old pc that I had lying around |
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| 10:25.07 | Vinaduro | I have _some_ experience with ubuntu, but not very much |
| 10:25.24 | cydork | Vinaduro: aah then ignore the last comment :) |
| 10:25.25 | Vinaduro | that's why I equated what I was looking for to ubuntu |
| 10:26.02 | Vinaduro | cool :) |
| 10:26.21 | jaalto | What command I can use to identify my harddisks? |
| 10:26.24 | jaalto | models |
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| 10:26.42 | amphi | hparm -I will tell you |
| 10:26.47 | mazzanet | ee |
| 10:27.05 | amphi | jaalto: er, hdparm |
| 10:27.38 | jaalto | amphi: thanks |
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| 10:31.19 | PiousMinion | What is /etc/defaults for? |
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| 10:31.42 | PiousMinion | Should I edit files there... move them... or what? |
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| 10:32.40 | amphi | PiousMinion: various programs will look for settings in /etc/defaults/foo - edit them to taste |
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| 10:33.27 | PiousMinion | Ok, but why even have a "defaults"? Why not just put the config files where they are supposed to go? |
| 10:34.22 | liable | where can i read about PHONY in rules files? |
| 10:34.50 | Vinai | PiousMinion: some settings are debian specific. e.g. apache2 needs something like START_SERVER=1 so the start script executes |
| 10:35.06 | Vinai | PiousMinion: no place for that in the normal apache config |
| 10:36.46 | PiousMinion | Vinai: so should I edit /etc/defaults/rsync to taste and create a separate /etc/rsyncd.conf.... or should it all be in /etc/defaults/rsync ? |
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| 10:38.15 | Nenillo | why dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not ask about my graphic card? |
| 10:39.08 | PiousMinion | Nenillo: I think because it relies on Xorg to figure it out itself each time it is run. |
| 10:39.40 | Nenillo | but it is starting the wrong X server... |
| 10:39.45 | PiousMinion | There was mention of it being changed back to the old way of asking you for details, but it doesn't appear that change has been made yet. |
| 10:39.59 | PiousMinion | Nenillo: You can always edit xorg.conf by hand |
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| 10:42.02 | Vinai | PiousMinion: edit /etc/default/rsync, and also /etc/rsyncd.conf (which should be present if the rsync package is installed) |
| 10:43.03 | PiousMinion | Vinai: rsync is installed on 2 systems, yet /etc/rsyncd.conf exists on neither. I suppose I'll have to create it by hand. |
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| 10:44.30 | Vinai | PiousMinion: hm, i guess so. if you want to run it as a server, it needs a rsyncd.conf... |
| 10:44.45 | Vinai | PiousMinion: I use it without a specific server |
| 10:45.05 | Vinai | PiousMinion: thats why I dont have the config file on my machines |
| 10:45.40 | cydork | liable: gnu.org/software/make/manual? |
| 10:45.59 | liable | cydork: danke |
| 10:46.18 | PiousMinion | Vinai: how in the world do you run it without a server? |
| 10:47.11 | Vinai | PiousMinion: rsync -e ssh |
| 10:47.40 | Vinai | PiousMinion: auth via ssh, rsync then calls rsync on the taraget server and communicates with that over the ssh connection using stdin/stdout afaik |
| 10:48.00 | Vinai | PiousMinion: works great |
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| 10:48.40 | Vinai | PiousMinion: only needs rsync "client" binaries on both machines |
| 10:48.41 | PiousMinion | hmm |
| 10:48.47 | Chewy | what do i need to run the command en2mod? |
| 10:48.49 | Chewy | :X |
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| 10:49.05 | Vinai | : Chewy apache2 and root |
| 10:49.18 | Vinai | Chewy: oh, sorry - my wrong :X |
| 10:49.38 | Chewy | o.O? |
| 10:49.53 | Chewy | i need mod_evasive up |
| 10:49.57 | Chewy | i found my issue from earlier. |
| 10:50.01 | Chewy | someone is flooding port 80 |
| 10:50.02 | Chewy | nonstop |
| 10:50.03 | Chewy | :| |
| 10:50.09 | Vinai | Chewy: I confused it with a2enmod |
| 10:50.13 | PiousMinion | Vinai: would you happen to know of a site with more info on running rsync in this way? I've never used rsync at all. :P |
| 10:50.18 | Chewy | oh |
| 10:50.20 | Chewy | :X |
| 10:50.22 | Chewy | any ideas? |
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| 10:52.13 | Vinai | PiousMinion: http://everythinglinux.org/rsync/, then look at "Using Rsync Itself" |
| 10:52.57 | PiousMinion | Vinai: thanks. :) |
| 10:53.02 | Vinai | PiousMinion: and the manpage is good, too |
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| 10:53.44 | pitoow | how i enable the message on ssh login? |
| 10:54.15 | ajedwards | look in the ssh config, you should see it commented out |
| 10:54.23 | pitoow | ok |
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| 10:55.51 | spacix | anyone here with some webhosting knowledge? |
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| 10:56.06 | spacix | I bought some colo webserver, and would like to know what the fastest/best way is for me to register a domain and assign it to one of the ips I have with my colo server |
| 10:56.10 | spacix | anyone knows? |
| 10:56.23 | wols | spacix: #networking |
| 10:56.39 | spacix | thanks |
| 10:57.22 | Vinai | how do I get at the request object from within an event observer? |
| 10:58.15 | Vinai | $observer->getRequest(), $observer->getEvent()->getRequest() both return false |
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| 10:58.49 | Vinai | found it ^^ Mage::app()->getRequest() |
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| 11:02.11 | Vinai | ups... fc ^^ |
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| 11:10.43 | mizo666 | debian install doesn't support my network card... now am i supposed to download a gazlillion cds/dvds to install it? |
| 11:11.11 | TheOnly | could anyone help me on setting a default X browser and email client program (using fluxbox) |
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| 11:12.17 | cahoot | mizo666: do you have any idea if there's a kernel version that supports it? |
| 11:13.00 | PiousMinion | if I have a SMB/CIFS share name of "//pc5/500 (E)" what do I use in the command line to mount that? mount "//pc5/500 (E)" obviously doesn't work. |
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| 11:14.21 | Bruno_Kante_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/3573230/ |
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| 11:15.51 | mizo666 | cahoot: not sure but there is a linux driver on the realtek website |
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| 11:17.21 | cahoot | mizo666: if you could find out - there might be an option to use other install methods using a newer kernel - /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 11:18.10 | cahoot | mizo666: laptop? |
| 11:18.19 | mizo666 | yes |
| 11:18.34 | mizo666 | cahoot yes |
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| 11:20.00 | mizo666 | the network card is called RTL8102E |
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| 11:22.05 | TheOnly | i'm not sure about the link messaging rules here but I'll go ahead anyway |
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| 11:22.29 | cahoot | mizo666: looks like you need a kernel > 2.6.24 |
| 11:22.38 | TheOnly | mizo666, http://www.realtek.com.tw/Downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=14&PFid=7&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false#2 |
| 11:22.38 | TheOnly | that could help |
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| 11:23.44 | TheOnly | compiling the driver kernel module should also work |
| 11:26.15 | Vinai | PiousMinion: check out smbmount |
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| 11:26.39 | php6th | do we have compiz? |
| 11:27.34 | abrotman | in what? |
| 11:27.45 | php6th | in the repositories? |
| 11:27.54 | php6th | unstable is superior to ubuntu? |
| 11:28.00 | abrotman | yes .. for which version of debian? |
| 11:28.10 | php6th | unstable |
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| 11:28.19 | abrotman | !info compiz-fusion sid |
| 11:28.31 | mizo666 | thanks cahoot, theonly |
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| 11:30.09 | abrotman | !info compiz sid |
| 11:30.11 | dpkg | compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.7.6-5 (sid), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
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| 11:32.36 | PiousMinion | Vinai: What would smbmount add that mount -t smbfs doesn't have? |
| 11:32.51 | yang | I wonder how are Sony Memory cards readable - [ 1618.835219] tifm_core: MemoryStick card detected in socket 0:2 |
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| 11:33.33 | Vinai | PiousMinion: nothing. I don't know why it doesn't work for you, thats what I use anyway |
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| 11:41.38 | php6th | is debian superior to ubuntu? |
| 11:42.12 | TheOnly | of course |
| 11:42.32 | TheOnly | no offense to ubuntu users but imo ubuntu is a crappy imitation of debian |
| 11:42.47 | TheOnly | though new versions of packages get released faster |
| 11:42.50 | abrotman | and it's offtopic here |
| 11:43.15 | php6th | how to get non-free repositories in debian? |
| 11:43.19 | TheOnly | but you can always install debian testing |
| 11:43.19 | TheOnly | which gets updated all the time |
| 11:43.19 | TheOnly | and is rock solid too |
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| 11:43.35 | maruscia | hou |
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| 11:43.55 | Maulkin | !non-free |
| 11:43.55 | dpkg | it has been said that non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 11:43.56 | TheOnly | php6th, add the following line in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:44.03 | TheOnly | deb http://ftp.bg.debian.org/debian/ lenny contrib non-free |
| 11:44.11 | TheOnly | change lenny accordingly |
| 11:44.17 | TheOnly | to the version of debian you use |
| 11:44.18 | Maulkin | and 'bg' :) |
| 11:44.24 | TheOnly | yeah that one too |
| 11:44.28 | hikenboot | hello all dell servers operate the front panel display on poweredge servers using ipmi anyone know of a utility for this for debian |
| 11:44.29 | TheOnly | that's the mirror :) |
| 11:44.41 | php6th | TheOnly: that would give me access to java, nvidia, ati, aptana? |
| 11:45.00 | TheOnly | that will give you access to all packages marked as "non-free" |
| 11:45.12 | TheOnly | if these are in that category then yes that would do it |
| 11:45.40 | hikenboot | ipmi over IP |
| 11:46.01 | TheOnly | hm |
| 11:46.12 | TheOnly | i wonder if there is such thing like |
| 11:46.14 | TheOnly | !mirrors |
| 11:46.14 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 11:46.44 | Maulkin | The bot knows quite a bit :) |
| 11:46.53 | TheOnly | indeed |
| 11:47.03 | np | :) |
| 11:47.18 | TheOnly | i'll be moving to another country in september and that's a very helpful information :> |
| 11:47.30 | php6th | another country? iraq? |
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| 11:48.38 | TheOnly | uk |
| 11:49.00 | abrotman | hikenboot: google was empty? |
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| 11:49.23 | hikenboot | abrotman think i got it but it was an rpm for redhat trying alien |
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| 11:49.29 | abrotman | ok |
| 11:50.35 | jelly-home | !dell |
| 11:50.36 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, the worst company you could ever do business with, crap, http://www.domsch.com/linux/, http://linux.dell.com/ |
| 11:50.40 | jelly-home | hm. |
| 11:50.46 | abrotman | hehe |
| 11:50.56 | kommodore | Is there a way to keep the tux logo on my framebuffer beyond setting up screen mode and font? |
| 11:51.26 | PiousMinion | How am I supposed to mount a SMB share via fstab if the share name has "(" and ")" in the name? |
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| 11:51.50 | abrotman | backslash? |
| 11:51.58 | jelly-home | !listvalues omsa |
| 11:52.00 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'omsa' by value (2): dell omsa ;; omsa. |
| 11:52.00 | TheOnly | PiousMinion, you escape them |
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| 11:52.08 | jelly-home | !dell omsa |
| 11:52.08 | dpkg | Packages of questionable quality available at http://ftp.sara.nl/pub/sara-omsa/dists/dell/sara/binary-i386/ |
| 11:52.31 | PiousMinion | TheOnly: tried that, moutn still bitches about a bad line. |
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| 11:52.37 | jelly-home | hikenboot: what dpkg just said |
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| 11:52.40 | TheOnly | !atheros |
| 11:52.40 | dpkg | Atheros Communications is a developer of semiconductors. Ask me about <madwifi> for wireless chipset drivers. Ask me about <atl1> or <atl2> for Ethernet adapter drivers. |
| 11:52.47 | TheOnly | nice |
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| 11:53.13 | TheOnly | if i knew the bot could help with atheros i wouldn't have searched the net a whole day a few weeks ago |
| 11:53.14 | TheOnly | :> |
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| 11:54.13 | TheOnly | PiousMinion, odd |
| 11:54.47 | abrotman | hrm .. maybe atheros should mention ath5k |
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| 11:55.11 | liable | yep |
| 11:55.18 | TheOnly | perhaps... the ath5k kernel module is the crappiest one |
| 11:55.29 | liable | bah |
| 11:55.30 | TheOnly | god bless madwifi |
| 11:55.40 | liable | it worked for 12 months ago |
| 11:55.48 | php6th | is it possible to convert ubuntu in debian? |
| 11:55.59 | liable | its in its infancy, admitted.. |
| 11:56.06 | liable | php6th: not really |
| 11:56.11 | PiousMinion | php6th: convert ubuntu to what? |
| 11:56.18 | liable | php6th: do a cleansing reinstall :) |
| 11:56.25 | abrotman | TheOnly: ath5k is fairly new ... give it time |
| 11:57.24 | TheOnly | abrotman, yup i know... if I could help that I would but I still have a few years left before I get my CS diploma :> |
| 11:57.38 | TheOnly | (hopefully) |
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| 11:59.42 | TheOnly | hm... which bin/symlink does debian use to launch the default browser when called by applications? |
| 12:00.02 | jelly-home | x-www-browser |
| 12:00.08 | TheOnly | i can't seem to find an x-www-browser symlink in any of the bin directories |
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| 12:01.11 | jelly-home | TheOnly: likely you have no package installed that provides /usr/bin/x-www-browser, then |
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| 12:02.57 | Elmaron | I have trouble with proftp, where is the best place to ask - here? #proftp seems not to exist |
| 12:03.07 | jelly-home | "proftpd" |
| 12:03.15 | Elmaron | oh now as you say it... |
| 12:03.24 | Elmaron | thanks =D |
| 12:04.22 | egns | piro a comer |
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| 12:11.27 | zxxd | hello |
| 12:11.52 | zxxd | how come 'free' reports only Mem: 2252800 of total memory while dmesg shows |
| 12:11.52 | zxxd | Memory: 3821180k/3986152k available (2417k kernel code, 156116k reserved, 1350k data, 176k init) |
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| 12:12.34 | zxxd | never mind |
| 12:12.51 | zxxd | actually , why is that |
| 12:14.07 | Eulex | xxd, are you on a 32-bit arch? if so, hardware might need reserved memory pages, and the kernel will also need memory pages reserved to it. |
| 12:14.22 | zxxd | Eulex: 64bit |
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| 12:14.45 | sattam | hi , when lenny 5.0 release ? |
| 12:14.53 | Eulex | zxxd, 64-bit? are you sure? what does uname -ar output? |
| 12:15.16 | zxxd | Linux cluster1.local 2.6.18-92.1.6.el5xen #1 SMP Wed Jun 25 14:13:10 EDT 2008 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 12:15.40 | Eulex | well, still strange, but that's not debian. |
| 12:16.52 | haxi | Hello, I have a little problem, I'm using mp4ize who worked well before (on .flv videos), but now I get " [libxvid @ 0xb7be05b0]Invalid pixel aspect ratio 0/1 Video encoding failed" |
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| 12:17.35 | haxi | any ideas? ;] |
| 12:17.55 | Eulex | zxxd, hmm, googling indicated that that kernel is a redhat kernel?? |
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| 12:19.07 | Eulex | sattam, it's scheduled for september this year, but expect delays as usual |
| 12:19.16 | Eulex | !wwlr |
| 12:19.16 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
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| 12:20.39 | neukadmin | hi, is there a german debian channel? |
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| 12:20.54 | Eulex | !de |
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| 12:20.54 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 12:21.05 | neukadmin | thx |
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| 12:21.34 | Akuw | Hi |
| 12:21.41 | Elmaron | hi |
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| 12:22.00 | Akuw | i have 10 files with some content, but i want to delete the content and put one line |
| 12:22.04 | Akuw | how can i do that? |
| 12:22.19 | Akuw | using sed? |
| 12:22.26 | cahoot | echo? |
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| 12:22.36 | sattam | dpkg , thanks |
| 12:22.37 | dpkg | de nada, sattam |
| 12:22.47 | Eulex | Akuw, you can run echo "bar" > file, but note that it will overwrite the contents of the file |
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| 12:24.32 | pump|dR | (Akuw): echo "bar" >> file will append to the file's contents. |
| 12:24.34 | Akuw | how can i use a file intead "bar" |
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| 12:24.59 | Akuw | so the content of file1 is added to all files |
| 12:25.14 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 12:25.14 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 12:25.37 | pump|dR | (Akuw): cat <file name> > <file name 2> |
| 12:26.07 | Akuw | cat file1 > file2 |
| 12:26.19 | Akuw | but i have 40 files |
| 12:26.33 | abrotman | Akuw: maybe you should be more specific about what you're trying to do |
| 12:26.35 | Akuw | i have to add the content of file1 to 40 files |
| 12:26.40 | Akuw | sorry |
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| 12:27.11 | abrotman | Akuw: you'll likely want a script .. ask #bash |
| 12:28.12 | pump|dR | (Akuw): for destination in *.txt ; do cat source-file >> destination ; done |
| 12:28.57 | hoxu | Akuw, see ^, but note that >> appends, > overwrites |
| 12:29.18 | jelly-home | Akuw: do you want to replace the old contents or append to the end of those files? |
| 12:29.27 | hoxu | uh, actually: for destination in *.txt ; do cat source-file >> "$destination"; done |
| 12:29.28 | Akuw | i want to replace |
| 12:29.31 | Akuw | so i use > |
| 12:29.37 | hoxu | Akuw, ^ |
| 12:30.10 | abrotman | or ask #bash ? |
| 12:30.17 | jelly-home | Akuw: so copy the original file to all the others, or use cat file1 > file2 |
| 12:30.30 | jelly-home | cat file1 > file3; cat file1 > file4, etc |
| 12:30.32 | hoxu | abrotman, don't you love stealing customers from other channels? :P |
| 12:31.03 | Akuw | destination will be? |
| 12:31.34 | jelly-home | Akuw: each of your 40 files? |
| 12:31.42 | pump|dR | wonders what would happen with: cat source-file > *.txt |
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| 12:31.52 | jelly-home | pump|dR: try it. |
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| 12:31.59 | Akuw | but there is 40 files |
| 12:32.05 | jelly-home | Akuw: so? |
| 12:32.11 | Akuw | so i need to use something like ls |
| 12:32.15 | jelly-home | Akuw: copy it 40 times |
| 12:32.16 | pump|dR | Bye |
| 12:32.45 | hoxu | Akuw, use the for loop as instructed... you only need to feed it the filenames, *.txt was assumed above |
| 12:32.50 | hoxu | !absg Akuw |
| 12:32.50 | dpkg | Akuw: abs-guide is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . It is also packaged, 'aptitude install abs-guide'. |
| 12:33.19 | Akuw | hum |
| 12:33.20 | Akuw | ok |
| 12:33.22 | Akuw | wait |
| 12:33.35 | jelly-home | Akuw: do your destination files have similar names? Can you show what they are really called? |
| 12:33.42 | Akuw | no |
| 12:33.54 | Akuw | station_gts-3.htm |
| 12:33.56 | hoxu | So anyway, what as a user are you supposed to do if you spot a bug that should be fixed for lenny? |
| 12:33.57 | Akuw | for example |
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| 12:34.10 | jelly-home | then you'll have to copy over each file. |
| 12:34.25 | hoxu | Akuw, are they all in one directory? |
| 12:34.29 | scintilla | bye |
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| 12:34.37 | Akuw | humm |
| 12:34.40 | Akuw | wait |
| 12:34.45 | Akuw | i am testing |
| 12:34.46 | jelly-home | hoxu: file a bug? |
| 12:35.52 | hoxu | jelly-home, there is one already, I'm just not familiar with the process how stuff gets fixed in lenny... |
| 12:36.01 | abrotman | or ask #bash ? |
| 12:36.29 | hoxu | jelly-home, #487927, see the last comment if you are interested |
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| 12:39.05 | grub | hello, i have vlc 0.8.6.h-1 installed. lenny. I cannot seem to view any WMV/XVID/AVI. etc All i get is [00000337] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `WMV3'. |
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| 12:40.59 | wald0 | after to add a group with adduser myself groupname, i need to do something special (like reboot) in order to have the changes working in my terminal ? (not works launching a new terminal) |
| 12:41.20 | hoxu | wald0, you need to log in again |
| 12:42.14 | wald0 | hoxu: is not there other way ? :/ i don't want to lost my desktop applications running |
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| 12:42.14 | hoxu | wald0, that means you need to restart X or logout in console |
| 12:42.14 | HSorgYves | morning |
| 12:42.14 | jelly-home | hoxu: 100% cpu usage could be considered as breaking oter unrelated packages... if you have a working, isolated patch, why not raise the level of the bug to make it RC, and include the patch. that way the maintainer can fix the issue, and he'll have a reason to get the newer version to testing. |
| 12:42.14 | wald0 | /etc/init.d/groups restart :D |
| 12:42.14 | hoxu | wald0, well, you can use "newgrp <group>" to change the effective group... but that has side-effects you probably don't want |
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| 12:42.20 | wald0 | :/ |
| 12:42.35 | Decepticon | is there something better than talk or write to talk to the other users |
| 12:42.40 | HSorgYves | can i (being root) create a shell similar to a login shell of one of my users without knowing his password? |
| 12:42.41 | jelly-home | hoxu: as it is now, the bug is not release-critical and might pass under the radar |
| 12:42.49 | wald0 | how is possible that something that simple like a group can't be added directly there without a restart of X ? starting a new "bash" command not works too |
| 12:42.53 | abrotman | Decepticon: on a local system? |
| 12:43.10 | hoxu | jelly-home, I thought it would make sense to at least up the priority to grave... as for patching / upgrading to newest from mainstream, I'm not sure if I'm qualified to decide which way to go... also, IIRC, the package maintainer is pretty dead ;) |
| 12:43.10 | Decepticon | yes, within my own computer |
| 12:43.49 | hoxu | Decepticon, it's called IRC ;) |
| 12:43.52 | jelly-home | hoxu: a small path will probably make it easier than a whole new upstream version |
| 12:43.57 | Decepticon | hoxu well |
| 12:44.00 | Decepticon | heh |
| 12:44.05 | jelly-home | patch* |
| 12:44.12 | phlux | By default, what udev would my external USB harddrive be under? |
| 12:44.16 | phlux | for mounting purposes, of course |
| 12:44.28 | hoxu | jelly-home, true, but from a quick glance it seems the upstream new versions mostly fix nasty bugs, hrmh... |
| 12:44.58 | jelly-home | hoxu: tough luck, lenny is frozen |
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| 12:45.45 | phlux | Any ideas? |
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| 12:45.55 | phlux | I tried watching /var/log/messages, but I didn't see much |
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| 12:46.23 | hoxu | Decepticon, you could run a local ircd you know, and the users could run irssi each |
| 12:46.32 | werwolf | I can no tinstall openoffice in lenny, I get some dependences error: file:///media/STORE'N'GO/Kestrel/profile/toolbar |
| 12:46.37 | werwolf | ah sorry |
| 12:46.42 | Decepticon | hoxu thats too much to expect from the user |
| 12:46.48 | jelly-home | hoxu: I'd raise that one, or #493365 to a rc level |
| 12:46.55 | Decepticon | hoxu i want to be able to interrupt his work in a terminal and give him a message |
| 12:47.07 | Decepticon | like write does, but better |
| 12:47.17 | phlux | Can anyone help me mount my external hard drive? |
| 12:48.00 | werwolf | could somebody help me with this openoffice problem, please? |
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| 12:48.33 | hoxu | Decepticon, cowsay -f eyes "Keep up the good work." |write? |
| 12:48.38 | trifler | erm what's "calc" on debian :S |
| 12:48.46 | phlux | ah, it was /dev/sdb1 |
| 12:48.46 | phlux | k |
| 12:48.53 | hoxu | trifler, apcalc? |
| 12:49.03 | hoxu | !teel trifler about search |
| 12:49.03 | phlux | trifler, xcalc? |
| 12:49.25 | hoxu | trifler, apcalc has "calc" binary, or are you looking for *any* calculator? |
| 12:49.31 | hoxu | phlux, too vague |
| 12:49.40 | hoxu | werwolf, too vague |
| 12:49.48 | phlux | too vague? |
| 12:49.50 | phlux | wtf? |
| 12:49.54 | phlux | Did you read the entire thing? |
| 12:49.57 | trifler | hoxu: I want to type calc 1+1 in my terminal and get a result :) |
| 12:50.04 | phlux | I needed to know which udev my external drive was falling under |
| 12:50.05 | hoxu | trifler, 'bc' works for that |
| 12:50.09 | phlux | But don't worry, I found it. |
| 12:50.10 | jelly-home | trifler: wcalc, then |
| 12:50.16 | werwolf | hoxu: I will copy the resutl here |
| 12:50.30 | jelly-home | trifler: bc is more standard but a bit painful |
| 12:50.30 | trifler | hoxu: ah so bc on debian then :) ty |
| 12:51.16 | hoxu | phlux, no, /msg dpkg sicco, it's kind of hard to keep up with the backlog if you don't write all the information on one or two lines .) |
| 12:51.17 | jelly-home | trifler: also, the shell (bash, zsh) can do integer arithmetic by itself: echo $((1+1)) |
| 12:51.37 | fl | 3 |
| 12:51.39 | trifler | jelly-home: Roger |
| 12:52.24 | jelly-home | hoxu: your irc client doesn't do /lastlog nickname ? |
| 12:52.46 | hoxu | jelly-home, I'll try bumping one of the bugs to grave later, thanks for the advice :) |
| 12:52.50 | werwolf | openoffice.org-core (= 1:2.4.0-5) |
| 12:52.56 | werwolf | resutl = 100 |
| 12:53.01 | werwolf | result |
| 12:53.07 | hoxu | jelly-home, and yeah, it does, but that'd give all lines in the history from the nick :) |
| 12:53.26 | hoxu | !tell werwolf about paste |
| 12:53.38 | hoxu | werwolf, paste the apt-get command you run, and the whole output please |
| 12:53.40 | jelly-home | werwolf: please pastebin the complete output of your install command |
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| 12:54.43 | werwolf | ok. thank you hoxu |
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| 12:55.41 | werwolf | where is the pastebin pleae? |
| 12:55.49 | abrotman | !paste |
| 12:55.50 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 12:56.16 | werwolf | http://paste.debian.net/15439/ |
| 12:56.21 | werwolf | here is the output |
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| 12:57.05 | werwolf | hoxu: :) |
| 12:57.34 | jelly-home | werwolf: not "apt-get" by itself, the command you used to try installing OO.o |
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| 12:58.02 | werwolf | ok sorry |
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| 12:58.39 | jelly-home | we all know what apt-get does, no need to remind |
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| 13:01.18 | abrotman | isn't there a .cz channel? |
| 13:01.50 | werwolf | http://paste.debian.net/15440/ |
| 13:01.58 | werwolf | I have translated it to English |
| 13:02.05 | werwolf | I hope this is enough |
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| 13:02.35 | werwolf | jelly: sorry I use linux first day |
| 13:02.48 | abrotman | we wanted the command you typed also |
| 13:03.03 | werwolf | apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 13:03.04 | abrotman | werwolf: aptitude update && aptitude install openoffice.org |
| 13:03.09 | wols | werwolf: "LANG=C apt-get foo bar" |
| 13:03.35 | werwolf | please the whole command will also be? |
| 13:03.43 | werwolf | I would like to have it in czech |
| 13:03.47 | werwolf | this openoffice |
| 13:03.57 | abrotman | werwolf: aptitude update && aptitude install openoffice.org |
| 13:04.04 | werwolf | ok |
| 13:04.04 | wols | werwolf: first you need to install the basic program before you can install the czech version |
| 13:04.11 | werwolf | ok |
| 13:04.14 | werwolf | I will do it now |
| 13:04.17 | werwolf | thanks abrotman |
| 13:04.56 | werwolf | it is running now |
| 13:05.04 | werwolf | it will take some time by my connection |
| 13:05.17 | werwolf | what have I to put then to get it in czech? |
| 13:06.14 | abrotman | openoffice.org-l10n-cs - Czech language package for OpenOffice.org |
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| 13:06.59 | werwolf | well it has uninstall something |
| 13:07.22 | werwolf | apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-cs ? |
| 13:07.27 | werwolf | yes? |
| 13:07.42 | wols | werwolf: you've been asked to do something. DO IT |
| 13:07.48 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 13:07.48 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 13:08.16 | werwolf | it can not find the czech package |
| 13:08.24 | abrotman | werwolf: did openoffice.org install? |
| 13:08.50 | werwolf | ah no :D |
| 13:09.07 | werwolf | well now I have to install it right? |
| 13:09.12 | abrotman | werwolf: aptitude update && aptitude install openoffice.org |
| 13:09.13 | abrotman | werwolf: aptitude update && aptitude install openoffice.org |
| 13:09.19 | wols | werwolf: PASTE that damn output as you've been told time and again, time and again. NOW |
| 13:09.48 | jelly-home | wols: he's a first time linux user, be kind |
| 13:10.26 | jelly-home | it comes with natural inability to follow multiple suggestions at the same time |
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| 13:11.19 | wols | jelly-home: is he a first day human too? |
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| 13:11.31 | jelly-home | wols: serialization is an advanced feature |
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| 13:11.53 | werwolf | here http://paste.debian.net/15441/ |
| 13:12.02 | jelly-home | wols: likely a 12*365 day one |
| 13:12.31 | werwolf | there is no candidate version :( |
| 13:12.39 | werwolf | sorry the out put is in czech |
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| 13:12.49 | jelly-home | werwolf: did you do what abrotman told you? |
| 13:13.01 | jelly-home | werwolf: namely, aptitude update && aptitude install openoffice.org |
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| 13:14.17 | werwolf | yes I did |
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| 13:14.35 | jelly-home | werwolf: and did it install anything? |
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| 13:14.46 | arafangion | jelly-home, First-timer users should be just as capable of answering questions as other people. |
| 13:15.11 | wols | werwolf: prepend LANG=C to the command and you get it in english |
| 13:15.15 | werwolf | jelly-home: and now? |
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| 13:15.29 | wols | werwolf: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:15.43 | werwolf | ok |
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| 13:16.31 | werwolf | access denied :( |
| 13:16.38 | werwolf | I used su |
| 13:16.47 | abrotman | did he try to install 'openoffice.org' yet? |
| 13:16.50 | wols | werwolf: ls -al /etc/apt/ |
| 13:16.54 | jelly-home | werwolf: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:16.56 | werwolf | :) |
| 13:17.02 | wols | abrotman: couldn't find package again |
| 13:17.14 | werwolf | sorry I don't know anything about linux now |
| 13:17.29 | jelly-home | werwolf: it's a text file, we want the contents. cat is used to dump the file contents |
| 13:17.57 | wols | werwolf: NO ONE demanded frm you to know anything since we clearly can see that would be over your head. but we demand that you follow clear instructions in plain english |
| 13:18.05 | wols | if you can't do this, you can't get help her |
| 13:18.07 | wols | *here |
| 13:18.10 | werwolf | http://paste.debian.net/15442/ |
| 13:18.21 | werwolf | wolf ok :) |
| 13:18.42 | wols | abrotman: see the problem now? |
| 13:18.44 | werwolf | wols: |
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| 13:18.55 | abrotman | no |
| 13:18.57 | grub | did the ffmpeg build in lenny break vlc? |
| 13:19.07 | wols | abrotman: > http://paste.debian.net/15442/ |
| 13:19.13 | abrotman | wols: doesn't that KDE CD have OO? |
| 13:19.27 | wols | apparently not? |
| 13:19.33 | abrotman | FIIK! |
| 13:19.35 | wols | wouldn't it have koffice? |
| 13:19.57 | jelly-home | koughs |
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| 13:21.07 | werwolf | well if sombody needs access to my pc to make what necesorry, I would appreciate it |
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| 13:21.26 | wols | werwolf: do not ever hand out access to your PC on irc. ever |
| 13:21.45 | werwolf | in PM of course |
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| 13:21.48 | [sr] | hi |
| 13:21.53 | [sr] | after installing php-pear |
| 13:22.00 | [sr] | how is it enabled? |
| 13:22.01 | wols | werwolf: not there, not anywhere |
| 13:22.07 | [sr] | i'm a bit confused |
| 13:22.10 | werwolf | ok :) |
| 13:22.10 | wols | werwolf: unless you want to be hacked and 0wned |
| 13:22.23 | jelly-home | werwolf: instead, do this: |
| 13:22.28 | jelly-home | werwolf: echo "deb http://http.de.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 13:22.43 | abrotman | jelly-home: wrong |
| 13:22.46 | abrotman | he's on lenny |
| 13:22.58 | jelly-home | merde |
| 13:23.06 | jelly-home | werwolf: echo "deb http://http.de.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:23.06 | abrotman | mierde ? |
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| 13:23.13 | jaalto | How can I see what kernel options were used in precompiled Debian kernels? (the .config) |
| 13:23.21 | jelly-home | abrotman: pardon my french |
| 13:23.28 | abrotman | oh .. my spanish :) |
| 13:23.35 | wols | jaalto: /boot/config* |
| 13:23.58 | jaalto | wols: Thanks |
| 13:23.59 | werwolf | jelly: what have I to plese? |
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| 13:24.17 | [sr] | i don't see the pear.so :| |
| 13:24.18 | wols | werwolf: 15:23 < jelly-home> werwolf: echo "deb http://http.de.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 13:24.44 | werwolf | and now? |
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| 13:25.06 | jelly-home | werwolf: also do echo "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:25.22 | werwolf | this? aptitude update && aptitude install openoffice.org |
| 13:25.24 | jelly-home | werwolf: after that, pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list again |
| 13:25.40 | werwolf | ok |
| 13:26.20 | abrotman | jelly-home: he needs a security source too |
| 13:26.38 | jelly-home | abrotman: be a reading barbie? |
| 13:26.49 | abrotman | doubts that would work |
| 13:27.53 | jelly-home | I mean, I gave the security source four lines above your line ;-) |
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| 13:27.59 | werwolf | http://paste.debian.net/15443/ |
| 13:28.29 | jelly-home | werwolf: you didn't do everytihng I said |
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| 13:28.37 | werwolf | :( |
| 13:28.43 | jelly-home | thinks werwolf has a stack 1 level deep |
| 13:28.54 | jelly-home | werwolf: also do echo "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:28.57 | werwolf | sorry, :( |
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| 13:30.02 | althaser | my system freeze on boot while Begin: running /scripts/init-premount any clue please ? |
| 13:30.09 | jelly-home | werwolf: now show the current sources.list |
| 13:30.20 | werwolf | http://paste.debian.net/15444/ |
| 13:31.03 | jelly-home | werwolf: that's good. do you see what those echo ... >> ... lines did? |
| 13:31.35 | werwolf | no |
| 13:31.37 | werwolf | :'( |
| 13:31.58 | werwolf | they write the output to the file? |
| 13:32.00 | werwolf | right |
| 13:32.25 | jelly-home | werwolf: to the end of a file, right |
| 13:32.25 | wols | werwolf: well spotted. good |
| 13:33.07 | werwolf | I am stressed not beeing able to think clearly :( |
| 13:33.25 | jelly-home | werwolf: how old are you, btw? |
| 13:33.38 | werwolf | 33 |
| 13:33.54 | jelly-home | werwolf: wow. anyway, now, with added network sources for debian, you can try doing aptitude update && aptitude install openoffice.org |
| 13:34.14 | werwolf | I used DRDOS, Windows 3.1Me, XP |
| 13:34.28 | werwolf | thanks |
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| 13:35.09 | werwolf | done :) |
| 13:35.13 | werwolf | and now? |
| 13:35.24 | wols | now you have openoffice |
| 13:35.38 | abrotman | did he get the -cs i18n package ? |
| 13:35.45 | wols | not yet. and it |
| 13:35.50 | wols | and it's i10n |
| 13:35.55 | [sr] | guys!! |
| 13:36.08 | [sr] | who know howto enable php pear?? |
| 13:36.21 | abrotman | close enough! |
| 13:36.24 | hoxu | !tell [sr] about search |
| 13:36.25 | [sr] | isn't this supose to be a module called pear.so ? |
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| 13:36.39 | abrotman | [sr]: aptitude install php-pear ? |
| 13:36.44 | [sr] | hoxu i've been searching... but nothing |
| 13:36.45 | wols | [sr]: no. it's a way to install stuff from pear archive in a debianized way |
| 13:36.49 | [sr] | abrotman yes it's installed |
| 13:36.54 | jelly-home | l10n! |
| 13:36.58 | abrotman | so what's the problem ? |
| 13:37.10 | [sr] | abrotman doesn't seams to be enabled |
| 13:37.18 | jelly-home | werwolf: did "aptitude update && aptitude install openoffice.org" install anything? |
| 13:37.33 | wols | [sr]: dpkg -L php-pear |less |
| 13:37.45 | werwolf | http://paste.debian.net/15445/ |
| 13:37.49 | werwolf | jelly-home: |
| 13:37.56 | werwolf | yes 1 file :( |
| 13:38.18 | werwolf | there is no czech |
| 13:38.20 | werwolf | probably |
| 13:38.21 | jelly-home | werwolf: it said it couldn't figure out http.de.debian.org |
| 13:38.28 | abrotman | ftp.de.debian.org ? |
| 13:38.31 | wols | jelly-home: ftp.de.debian.org |
| 13:38.37 | [sr] | wols ok i see the files |
| 13:38.59 | wols | [sr]: /usr/share/doc/php-pear/ |
| 13:39.01 | jelly-home | oh, my bad |
| 13:39.12 | werwolf | I need it at least in English or German |
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| 13:39.39 | jelly-home | werwolf: you'll have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace that http in http.de.debian.org with ftp |
| 13:39.58 | werwolf | ok |
| 13:40.06 | werwolf | I will do it |
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| 13:41.30 | abrotman | there are german help channels for debian if that owuld be easier |
| 13:42.05 | werwolf | no, its ok abrotman |
| 13:42.35 | blubberdiblub | and even a czech one |
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| 13:42.55 | abrotman | i didn't know about that one |
| 13:42.55 | werwolf | deb http://http.de.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 13:42.55 | werwolf | deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib |
| 13:43.15 | abrotman | werwolf: on the first line .. change the second "http" to "ftp" |
| 13:43.19 | werwolf | have I to replace the protocol http --> ftp ? |
| 13:43.24 | abrotman | no .. change the hostname |
| 13:43.29 | werwolf | ok :) |
| 13:43.46 | werwolf | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 13:43.49 | werwolf | ok? |
| 13:43.50 | abrotman | yes like that |
| 13:43.59 | werwolf | is that all? |
| 13:44.03 | jelly-home | yup |
| 13:44.09 | abrotman | wonders if we could have just had him install synaptic and do all the magic for him |
| 13:44.20 | werwolf | access denied :'( |
| 13:44.35 | jelly-home | werwolf: you have to edit it as root |
| 13:44.55 | werwolf | I oped it in konqueror |
| 13:45.00 | werwolf | :( |
| 13:45.01 | jelly-home | werwolf: use eg. nano in a root shell |
| 13:45.21 | werwolf | whaty is nono? |
| 13:45.24 | werwolf | \nano |
| 13:45.35 | jelly-home | a text-mode (terminal) editor |
| 13:45.43 | abrotman | jelly-home: maybve you should whip up some sed :) |
| 13:45.49 | jelly-home | nah! |
| 13:46.07 | jelly-home | sed -i 's/http.de/ftp.de/' /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 13:46.28 | werwolf | now can I start that nano? |
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| 13:46.42 | hoxu | werwolf, nano |
| 13:46.43 | hoxu | !searchit |
| 13:46.46 | hoxu | ertr |
| 13:46.47 | hoxu | errr |
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| 13:46.48 | hoxu | !installit |
| 13:46.48 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 13:46.58 | werwolf | oki, I am in nano now |
| 13:47.05 | abrotman | so change the http to ftp |
| 13:47.18 | jelly-home | werwolf: open that file and change the host bit |
| 13:47.21 | werwolf | how do I open the file form there? |
| 13:47.30 | abrotman | all this for a word processor .. jeez :) |
| 13:48.01 | jelly-home | werwolf: you'll have to figure that out yourself, or exit nano and run it like "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" |
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| 13:49.36 | hoxu | use a butterfly |
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| 13:49.57 | blubberdiblub | werwolf: nano has 2 lines of help at the bottom, where it shows the most important key combinations |
| 13:49.58 | werwolf | done |
| 13:50.03 | hoxu | !butterfly |
| 13:50.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, butterfly is http://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 13:50.04 | werwolf | I change the file now |
| 13:50.20 | werwolf | now? |
| 13:50.24 | arafangion | blubberdiblub, Where does it show the command for enable-viper-mode? |
| 13:50.26 | werwolf | this atitude? |
| 13:50.42 | jelly-home | werwolf: yes |
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| 13:52.14 | werwolf | it is downloading files :O |
| 13:52.18 | werwolf | :D |
| 13:52.26 | hoxu | jelly-home, does this look like ok to you? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=493365#10 :) |
| 13:52.47 | werwolf | why was is so complicated? :( |
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| 13:53.08 | hoxu | text editors tend to be. |
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| 13:53.30 | jelly-home | werwolf: most things in debian are. |
| 13:53.38 | werwolf | :O oh no |
| 13:53.56 | jelly-home | werwolf: you'll be pleasantly surprised when things just work |
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| 13:54.13 | jelly-home | hoxu: sure. then again ianadd :-) |
| 13:54.15 | werwolf | jelly-home: I installed Opera with 2 clicks |
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| 13:54.25 | werwolf | from debian package |
| 13:54.38 | werwolf | please tell me, what have I to learn first |
| 13:54.48 | werwolf | it is os much, what I don't know |
| 13:54.53 | jelly-home | werwolf: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 13:55.02 | werwolf | whats that? |
| 13:55.05 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 13:55.05 | dpkg | [refcard] A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 13:55.09 | pngwn | werwolf, debian.org/doc and read the installation manual and look at the reference too |
| 13:55.17 | werwolf | ok :) |
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| 13:55.36 | liable | the reference is really worth reading in particular |
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| 13:56.03 | jelly-home | perhaps if one already has some linux experience |
| 13:56.39 | werwolf | jelly what do I need ot install SeaMonkey? |
| 13:56.48 | werwolf | there is tar file |
| 13:57.05 | hoxu | !iceape |
| 13:57.05 | dpkg | well, iceape is The Iceape Internet Suite is an unbranded Seamonkey Internet Suite suitable for free distribution. The Seamonkey Internet Suite is a set of Internet oriented applications. It is the continuity of the Mozilla Suite after it has been abandoned in favor of Firefox and Thunderbird. |
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| 13:57.23 | hoxu | werwolf, install that |
| 13:57.28 | jelly-home | werwolf: install iceape, using aptitude or synaptic |
| 13:57.35 | dsl1631 | whats the debian eeepc channel for this server |
| 13:57.42 | hoxu | !eeepc |
| 13:57.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, eee is see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net, or see http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/ See also <atl2>. |
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| 13:57.49 | hoxu | dsl1631, it's on oftc. |
| 13:57.52 | jelly-home | werwolf: synaptic is a GUI for installation, it might be better suited for you |
| 13:58.06 | dsl1631 | ty hoxu |
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| 13:58.34 | werwolf | jelly-home: I have ot download it and install, right? |
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| 13:59.08 | hoxu | !installit |
| 13:59.08 | werwolf | please tell me how to do it |
| 13:59.09 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 13:59.22 | jelly-home | werwolf: if it is not already there, yes |
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| 13:59.38 | Cobi2 | I am having a slight problem with IPv6. My computer is picking up all the (broken) router advertisements from my LAN (university). If I specifically tell ping6 to use sit0, it works, so I want to stop the router advertisements from affecting my routing table/the ip addresses on my interfaces. |
| 13:59.49 | Muhammad | where apt-cache search gets it's results from ? from certain database contains all the packages name in repositories ? |
| 13:59.55 | werwolf | have I chosen a good debian distribution ? |
| 14:00.12 | hjb | Hi. I've updated my Debian lenny installation some hours ago. |
| 14:00.30 | hjb | After upgrading, i've recognized that file-roller wasn't working anymore |
| 14:00.30 | hoxu | werwolf, depends on whether you are willing and capable to learn by yourself |
| 14:00.34 | jelly-home | werwolf: at your experience level, ubuntu (not debian) might have been more appropriate |
| 14:01.13 | hoxu | Muhammad, meet "man apt-cache" and /^FILES |
| 14:01.18 | hoxu | Muhammad, assuming less is your $PAGER |
| 14:01.31 | hjb | So i figured that maybe a reboot would help and shutdown my system while lunch |
| 14:01.52 | hjb | But now, after the reboot, my whole GNOME desktop stopped working |
| 14:01.59 | Muhammad | hoxu, thx i could do that but though i can found rapid answer here |
| 14:02.10 | hjb | the panel still loads but doesn't respond |
| 14:02.14 | Muhammad | thought* |
| 14:02.18 | hjb | nautilus doesn't start up |
| 14:02.32 | hjb | and file-roller still doesn't work |
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| 14:02.35 | hoxu | Muhammad, we don't copy-paste manual sections that give exact answers to your questions :( |
| 14:02.35 | werwolf | apt-get install sinaptic ? |
| 14:02.55 | werwolf | the installattion of OOo is running |
| 14:02.58 | Muhammad | hoxu, well i just want brief answer not manual page :S |
| 14:03.08 | hoxu | Muhammad, the FILES section is standard in manual pages; read it if you want to know what files the commands use. |
| 14:03.28 | hjb | Anyone else who's running GNOME on lenny and experencing this trouble? |
| 14:03.36 | Muhammad | hoxu, thx alot will get there now |
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| 14:05.02 | hjb | !pager |
| 14:05.03 | dpkg | it has been said that pager is a text viewer, like more, less, view, etc. apropos pager. |
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| 14:06.08 | jelly-home | werwolf: only one installation process can run at a time; wait for it to finish |
| 14:06.19 | werwolf | yes I know :) |
| 14:06.27 | werwolf | I pretend to be so |
| 14:06.50 | jelly-home | werwolf: "synaptic" |
| 14:06.53 | arafangion | I'm sure that with a bit of chroot trickery, several installation processes would continue. |
| 14:07.17 | werwolf | no I will wait better |
| 14:07.23 | jelly-home | arafangion: not over the same dpkg database |
| 14:07.44 | jelly-home | arafangion: lock files are wonderful things |
| 14:07.51 | hoxu | new factoid: |
| 14:07.54 | hoxu | !searching manpages |
| 14:07.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, searching manpages is set your PAGER to less (unless it already is; export PAGER=/usr/bin/less), then type "/keyword" to search for keyword. Similarly, to search for a standard section, type "/^FILES". To search from bottom, hit G and type "?keyword" |
| 14:07.56 | hjb | Here's a list of the packages that had been updated before my GNOME stuff stopped working: http://paste.debian.net/15447/ |
| 14:08.02 | arafangion | jelly-home, But it's oh-so-fun to abuse them! |
| 14:08.11 | arafangion | (caveat: Never do so) |
| 14:08.20 | hjb | I can't figure out which one could cause this kind of trouble |
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| 14:11.33 | Texou | is it really unstable sid release of Debian? or only risk? |
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| 14:12.01 | werwolf | what is the best place to save files? home/user/dokuments ? |
| 14:13.00 | hoxu | werwolf, your ~ indeed, make subdirectories as you feel fit, it's fast to move them around later within the same partition |
| 14:13.24 | werwolf | thansk hoxu |
| 14:13.28 | werwolf | thanks |
| 14:13.28 | hoxu | Texou, you mean to ask "is sid unstable"? Yes it is! |
| 14:13.44 | Texou | hoxu: ok |
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| 14:13.50 | Muhammad | hoxu thx alooot i got the answer from there :D |
| 14:14.20 | Texou | hoxu: I'm in hesitation because I wonder if it doesn't solve my bug for X, and several other about charset and network on testing |
| 14:14.28 | hoxu | Muhammad, indeed, and a lot of people would be happy if they got over their fears of manpages :P |
| 14:14.29 | jelly-home | Texou: /msg dpkg unstable |
| 14:14.51 | Muhammad | hoxu, ur right :P |
| 14:14.55 | jelly-home | Texou: heh, if you have X issues, there are also really new builds in experimental :-) |
| 14:15.15 | Texou | jelly-home: in lenny or sid? |
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| 14:15.19 | Soskel | hi |
| 14:15.19 | Soskel | how do I get awstats to work after I install it? (apt-get install awstats) I am on debian 4.0 and lighttpd |
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| 14:15.23 | jelly-home | Texou: in experimental |
| 14:15.29 | maligor | experimental has 7.4 |
| 14:15.35 | maligor | which brings it's own issues along |
| 14:15.37 | hoxu | Texou, seriously, use unstable only if you have nothing to lose. And all the people before you have found out they still did... |
| 14:15.38 | curtmack | okay, I've finished transferring files from one HD to another, but I need some help getting everything finished |
| 14:15.43 | jelly-home | xorg 1.5, they calls it |
| 14:15.55 | hoxu | Soskel, try dpkg -L awstats to see what it installs and where |
| 14:15.59 | curtmack | firstly, for some reason, my .Xdefaults file seems to have been ignored. How can I fix that? |
| 14:16.00 | maligor | hoxu, ooo... lose what? |
| 14:16.05 | jelly-home | or is it xserver 1.5 and xorg 7.4 |
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| 14:16.10 | Texou | hoxu: ok it's a bit what I wanted to check |
| 14:16.11 | hoxu | !penixstrike maligor |
| 14:16.12 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking maligor to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 14:16.34 | Soskel | hoxu: I don't know how to interpret what it tells me |
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| 14:16.40 | Texou | jelly-home: what's experimental exactly? I only know testing or sid |
| 14:16.41 | maligor | since I'm using unstable with some stuff from experimental |
| 14:17.06 | maligor | Texou, even less tested stuff, and stuff of experimental nature |
| 14:17.08 | jelly-home | Texou: maintainers put packages not fit for unstable there |
| 14:17.14 | jelly-home | !experimental |
| 14:17.14 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 14:17.32 | hoxu | maligor, yes, unstable can work for you, you can also win in a lottery... :) |
| 14:17.52 | werwolf | hoxu: can I install flash plugin in some way? |
| 14:18.00 | hoxu | werwolf, flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:18.09 | werwolf | no? :O |
| 14:18.11 | maligor | hoxu, pretty rare that unstable has any major package breakitude, and they're easy to fix anyway |
| 14:18.17 | Texou | oh seems still more unstable than sid :D |
| 14:18.28 | jelly-home | hoxu: hey, testing/sid/experimental works for me :-) |
| 14:18.48 | hoxu | jelly-home, I have used sid for a long time too, but that doesn't mean it's not horribly broken and will eat someone's data |
| 14:18.59 | Texou | and is it long to have an answer to a bug repert? |
| 14:18.59 | hoxu | it's only a question whether or not you are lucky enough to not get bitten by the bugs ;) |
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| 14:19.07 | jelly-home | hoxu: this is what backups are for |
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| 14:19.28 | Soskel | hoxu: ?? |
| 14:19.38 | hoxu | jelly-home, you'll be supporting next person who screwed their system with unstable ;) |
| 14:19.39 | Texou | and is it long to have an answer to a bug report? |
| 14:19.50 | jelly-home | hoxu: testing ate my /etc/updatedb.conf one day; I don't think sid would be much worse |
| 14:19.56 | hoxu | Soskel, did you check /usr/share/doc/awstats/? |
| 14:20.04 | Soskel | nope |
| 14:20.10 | jelly-home | hoxu: I don't recommend anyone here to use it, mind |
| 14:20.22 | hoxu | jelly-home, me neither :) |
| 14:20.22 | hjb | Simple question: anyone's here who can read what i've written? |
| 14:20.32 | hjb | i.e. like PING :-D |
| 14:20.38 | jelly-home | hjb: pong |
| 14:20.38 | hoxu | !ping |
| 14:20.38 | Vinai | hjb: : pong |
| 14:20.38 | dpkg | pong |
| 14:20.54 | hjb | Huh, ok. Thanks |
| 14:21.20 | Texou | well today in testing, my 2 network cards are named in a random way, my locales works only on one console and doj 6 virjual tercinals, X doesn't start.... and I don't think any solution anywhere :( |
| 14:21.29 | Soskel | hoxu: it only gives instructions for apache users, I have lighttpd |
| 14:21.30 | jelly-home | maybe people just don't care about gnome, hjb |
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| 14:21.42 | jester54 | Texou, thats why its testing not stable |
| 14:21.57 | Texou | right |
| 14:22.12 | Texou | but wijh stable I've a too old kernel and my sound card is not enabled |
| 14:22.18 | hjb | jelly-home hmm, maybe :-( |
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| 14:22.31 | jelly-home | Texou: there's a 2.6.24 kernel in stable now |
| 14:22.31 | arafangion | Texou, Something's different with your udev rules. |
| 14:22.36 | hjb | jelly-home Perhaps i should switch to fluxbox or something similar |
| 14:22.40 | arafangion | jelly-home, NOW you tell me!? |
| 14:22.47 | thedonvaughn | hjb: i like awesome |
| 14:22.51 | jelly-home | arafangion: ? |
| 14:23.02 | jester54 | its the same for everything... if you want your system to work good use XP vs Vista Stable vs testing/unstable debian vs ubuntu |
| 14:23.04 | Texou | arafangion: I guess, but I'm unable to correct this |
| 14:23.06 | arafangion | jelly-home, I've /almost/ completely upgraded to the latest kernel. |
| 14:23.20 | werwolf | Current status: 506 updates [-6]. |
| 14:23.35 | arafangion | jelly-home, Only thing remaining is to install hotplug, which somehow invalidates udev and causes gnome to disppear (So I haven't done it yet) |
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| 14:23.47 | Texou | jelly-home: and is there firefox 3 (iceweasel)? |
| 14:23.59 | jelly-home | arafangion: why do you want hotplug over udev? |
| 14:24.04 | jelly-home | Texou: no |
| 14:24.16 | limaunion | hi, how can I reset the gnome-appeareance-properties to the default settings? i'm getting a sigsegv signal while starting it. |
| 14:24.35 | jelly-home | werwolf: it means 506 packages could be upgraded |
| 14:24.46 | Texou | understandable |
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| 14:25.40 | hjb | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.42 | werwolf | I have OpenOffice now, but I need it in czech for my mother |
| 14:25.47 | werwolf | what have I to do now? |
| 14:25.49 | hjb | thedonvaughn it's not bad |
| 14:25.52 | Texou | e.g. how to explain this ^ince yesterday? *glibc detected *** gnome-panel: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x0000000000f887a0 *** ? :( it worked unjil yesterday |
| 14:26.03 | DVA5912 | Is there anything that i can use to administer my webserver. Im used to a control panel. i want something that will administer my proftpd, mysql, apache |
| 14:26.10 | abrotman | ssh |
| 14:26.26 | DVA5912 | sorry |
| 14:26.36 | DVA5912 | i would like it to be usable over www |
| 14:26.43 | jelly-home | werwolf: now install openoffice.org-l10n-cs openoffice.org-thesaurus-cs openoffice.org-help-cs |
| 14:27.07 | werwolf | thanks |
| 14:27.15 | Texou | and why whereas my LANG is set to fr_FR@euro, it only works on the first console, in the others I can read accents but no wrijting them. |
| 14:27.27 | Texou | and how can I make my network more stable? :DD |
| 14:27.30 | jelly-home | DVA5912: I know not of a decent free control panel available in debian |
| 14:27.37 | Texou | confused today with his Debian |
| 14:28.13 | moshii | DVA5912: there's syscp.. but all control panels are a kludge |
| 14:28.16 | jelly-home | Texou: and it worked before? sounds like something messed up console-tools init scripts |
| 14:28.24 | DVA5912 | jellyhome, it doesnt have to be a "control Panel" per say but just something to administer those |
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| 14:28.58 | jelly-home | DVA5912: I'm aware. Just don't know of any |
| 14:29.05 | moshii | Texou: how are you setting $LANG? |
| 14:29.07 | Texou | jelly-home: for locales I had already the problem (X solved ij when it worked). But network and X problems are new |
| 14:29.07 | DVA5912 | al right. Thanks though |
| 14:29.14 | jelly-home | DVA5912: for mysql, there's phpmyadmin |
| 14:29.21 | DVA5912 | yep |
| 14:29.24 | DVA5912 | for proftpd? |
| 14:29.30 | moshii | DVA5912: look at syscp |
| 14:29.34 | jelly-home | $EDITOR :-) |
| 14:29.36 | Texou | moshii: it's dpkg-reconfigure locales which did it (in /etc/profile I think) |
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| 14:30.00 | moshii | Texou: if you type locales in the non-working terminals what do you get? |
| 14:30.10 | jelly-home | Texou: tackle the issues one at a time |
| 14:30.29 | Texou | jelly-home: yes ok it was to show you why I'm really confused :) |
| 14:30.39 | neukadmin | Hi im looking for backports to install xen3.1 on my debian4, I already have backports for 3.2 but I need xen3.1 where can I get them? |
| 14:30.44 | jelly-home | Texou: eh, it's nothing unusual :-) |
| 14:30.54 | Texou | moshii: locales command you mean? |
| 14:30.58 | Texou | jelly-home: oh cool :D |
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| 14:31.25 | DVA5912 | moshii, that looks good |
| 14:31.38 | Texou | moshii: what should I do for other consoles? |
| 14:31.42 | DVA5912 | How do i install debs? I havent used them since ubuntu |
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| 14:31.52 | TheOnly | dpkg -i file.deb |
| 14:31.53 | dpkg | package file.deb is already installed |
| 14:32.20 | moshii | Texou: yeah, it should give you a read out of the environment variables.. you need to see what the difference is between the places it's working and where it's not working :) |
| 14:32.23 | abrotman | since ubuntu? that long huh ? |
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| 14:32.43 | curtmack | okay, and then my computer just froze up, completely |
| 14:32.51 | abrotman | you're typing okay |
| 14:32.56 | curtmack | damn it, I just fixed these overheating issues :( |
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| 14:33.17 | Texou | moshii: locales command doesn't exist :( what differences should I check, beyond LANG? |
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| 14:33.43 | moshii | Texou: ah, it's locales not locales sorry |
| 14:33.56 | moshii | Texou: locale |
| 14:34.31 | werwolf | is there a way to have debian in czech? |
| 14:34.37 | curtmack | well anyway, running dpkg-reconfigure -a |
| 14:34.43 | curtmack | hopefully that will fix most of my issues |
| 14:34.46 | DVA5912 | seesh |
| 14:34.50 | curtmack | like syslogd not running |
| 14:35.00 | DVA5912 | anyway to force it to install dependencies automaticaly? |
| 14:35.07 | moshii | werwolf: should be, dpkg-reconfigure locales and select the right locales :) |
| 14:35.28 | Texou | moshii: I get 14 variables, set exactly in the same way |
| 14:35.42 | moshii | DVA5912: dpkg doesn't handle fetching dependencies |
| 14:35.57 | moshii | Texou: To the locale you want? |
| 14:35.58 | curtmack | but damn, it won't let me... |
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| 14:36.19 | curtmack | stops with something like "(blah blah) tried to overwrite (blah blah)" |
| 14:36.28 | abrotman | !overwrite |
| 14:36.28 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because the package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Make sure a bug is filed (ask me about <bts>). If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename> |
| 14:36.36 | Texou | moshii: what? I want no use fr_FR@euro |
| 14:37.11 | moshii | Texou: what are the variables set to at the moment? |
| 14:37.27 | curtmack | abrotman: I'm not sure if that's the case |
| 14:37.28 | Texou | moshii: I pastebin |
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| 14:37.42 | curtmack | it might be that some packages which Debian installed itself were in conflict |
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| 14:38.07 | curtmack | I installed Debian on this hard drive (because I had to to get grub installed), then copied files from my old system to my new system |
| 14:38.11 | VolVE | hey, total noob question: I forget how to disable something that is in /etc/init.d/ from starting-up at boot... can someone remind me please? :) |
| 14:38.13 | moshii | Texou: ok :) |
| 14:38.16 | neukadmin | or maybe just a deb package? Can I install it that way? |
| 14:38.21 | curtmack | so there might be dozens of damned conflicts that I can't do anything about |
| 14:38.25 | jelly-home | VolVE: use update-rc.d |
| 14:38.36 | VolVE | ah ha, thank you jelly! |
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| 14:39.15 | moshii | curtmack: why did you need to install debian to install grub? |
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| 14:39.31 | hjb | Hmm, I've made progress regarding ma gnome problem: it's just with my particular user account |
| 14:39.40 | curtmack | also, why is it that whenever configuring some kind of package, I always get a ton of errors |
| 14:39.52 | hjb | Using another user on this system runs gnome desktop fine |
| 14:39.53 | Texou | moshii: http://pastebin.com/m4c969649 |
| 14:39.58 | curtmack | moshii: Well funny story, I asked about how to install grub here, and nobody responded |
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| 14:40.15 | jelly-home | VolVE: what I really do, is cd /etc/rc2.d and rename the S??whatever link to s??whatever, that way the ordering isn't lost if I want to reenable it |
| 14:40.16 | curtmack | grub-install /dev/hdb doesn't work because it complains /dev/hdb isn't a grub drive |
| 14:40.29 | curtmack | and the system breaks if I try to add /dev/hdb to device.map |
| 14:40.31 | VolVE | intersting |
| 14:40.32 | hjb | Soo: Anyone knows how to "reset" gnome desktop to it's "default" settings? |
| 14:40.34 | curtmack | so what else was I going to do? |
| 14:40.40 | moshii | curtmack: the grub docs tell you how to do it. you could have copied the system to the new drive, used a boot disk to get it up and installed grub from there |
| 14:41.01 | jelly-home | VolVE: reenabling is just mv s20foo S20foo back |
| 14:41.12 | VolVE | right, right |
| 14:41.36 | moshii | Texou: mm they seem the same.. you can read French but can't type it? maybe the keymap is wrong |
| 14:41.58 | curtmack | moshii: well that's not really an option anymore, since the other drive now won't boot |
| 14:42.02 | Texou | moshii: I can read and type on the first console, read only on the others |
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| 14:42.03 | curtmack | although it works fine |
| 14:42.20 | curtmack | and I have no idea why that is :( |
| 14:42.26 | VolVE | jelly: theoretically I'd have to rename every rcN.d/S/K??foo though wouldn't I? to be certain? I'm thinking of Squid for example, lots of entries... |
| 14:42.32 | jelly-home | moshii: the init scripts don't set the keymap/translation tables for other consoles |
| 14:42.45 | moshii | jelly-home: that would be it then ;) |
| 14:42.56 | DVA5912 | anyone know why its not fulfilling dependencies? http://cdc.pastebin.com/m50cdc45b |
| 14:43.10 | moshii | Texou: as jelly just said, the scripts only setup the first console by the look of it |
| 14:43.17 | jelly-home | VolVE: most normal services are started in runlevel 2 (and 3,4,5). and the K link doesn't hurt |
| 14:43.37 | curtmack | also, it was a pain to get everything copied in the first place. |
| 14:43.37 | Texou | moshii: ah. and what about the 2 others? |
| 14:43.45 | Texou | euh... the 5 others :) |
| 14:43.48 | jelly-home | VolVE: and since debian uses just runlevel 2 by default, that's usually enough |
| 14:44.19 | curtmack | Which reminds me, there's a bug in mv, if you try to move a directory to its immediate superdirectory it'll complain that you're moving it to a subdirectory :P |
| 14:44.19 | VolVE | hmm, ok, I wish update-rc.d had a "disable" param instead of simply "remove" or "explicit change to exact level" |
| 14:44.20 | jelly-home | moshii: no, what I'm saying is that's a bug |
| 14:44.51 | jelly-home | moshii: but a bug I've already seen a few years back |
| 14:45.00 | moshii | jelly-home: yeah, I didn't think that'd be a feature |
| 14:45.22 | moshii | jelly-home: he can put something in rc.local to setup the other consoles though |
| 14:45.25 | jelly-home | VolVE: that would be nice, but it's not there |
| 14:45.28 | curtmack | which not only makes no sense, but also means that, if you copy files from one hard drive to a directory onto another hard drive (by mistake or intentionally, whatever), and you then need to move those files to the root directory on the new hard drive, you have to copy them AGAIN |
| 14:45.43 | jelly-home | moshii: or file a bug on the relevant package |
| 14:45.47 | abrotman | curtmack: huh? you mean like `mv foo/ ..` ? |
| 14:45.48 | curtmack | which takes forever, especially if you run out of disk space halfway through |
| 14:45.56 | curtmack | abrotman: yes |
| 14:46.05 | moshii | jelly-home: yup :) |
| 14:46.07 | Sling | how would that give a warning |
| 14:46.20 | abrotman | curtmack: nope .works fine here! |
| 14:46.24 | DVA5912 | Ive tryed the f param but it wont go though.. How do i fixx http://cdc.pastebin.com/m62b51eec |
| 14:46.26 | curtmack | except I was spelling out the directory name instead of .. |
| 14:46.31 | moshii | curtmack: if you move files around on the same fs they don't really move |
| 14:46.40 | moshii | curtmack: the path just changes |
| 14:46.40 | abrotman | oh sure .. now you tell me that |
| 14:46.56 | curtmack | moshii: exactly, and that's why I wanted to use it instead of cp |
| 14:47.01 | abrotman | still works fine! |
| 14:47.06 | curtmack | but I couldn't, because it kept complaining I was trying to move it to a subdirectory |
| 14:47.14 | curtmack | well fine, your computer is magical and mine is trash |
| 14:47.24 | jelly-home | curtmack: paste the exact command and let us be the judges |
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| 14:47.28 | curtmack | I believe I've established tghat numerous times |
| 14:47.36 | blubberdiblub | well, if it complains it is a subdirectory, then probably in some way it is |
| 14:47.43 | curtmack | jelly-home: It doesn't matter. It didn't work. That's all that matters |
| 14:47.50 | moshii | curtmack: what if you cd to / and then move the files? |
| 14:48.18 | curtmack | moshii: I wasn't in one of the directories being moved, if that's what you're thinking |
| 14:48.32 | curtmack | and it's a moot point anyway, because the files have already been moved |
| 14:48.36 | curtmack | well, copied and then manually deleted |
| 14:48.38 | curtmack | same difference |
| 14:48.48 | jelly-home | curtmack: however, complaining and failing to provide relevant data isn't a really good way to solve an issue |
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| 14:51.19 | KiDFlaSh | Black Sabbath - Wishing Well |
| 14:51.27 | abrotman | KiDFlaSh: turn it off |
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| 14:55.27 | werwolf | my client crashed, I did not see the answer. How can I make Debian to speak czech? |
| 14:55.40 | werwolf | permanently |
| 14:55.40 | moshii | werwolf: change your locale settings |
| 14:55.48 | werwolf | where is it please? |
| 14:55.49 | moshii | werwolf: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:56.56 | Texou | :D |
| 14:57.27 | moshii | is glad language support has improved so much.. |
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| 14:58.45 | werwolf | moshi do I need restart to take effect? |
| 14:59.03 | curtmack | anyway, why is it that whenever a package gets configured, I get a load of errors like "/usr/share/menu/gnome-cups-manager: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token 'gnome-cups-manager' |
| 14:59.22 | jelly-home | werwolf: have you installed the -cs related packages? |
| 14:59.31 | curtmack | give me a second, I can put the output on pastebin |
| 14:59.43 | moshii | werwolf: you need to restart your sessions (X, shells etc) so that it uses the new locale |
| 14:59.54 | jelly-home | moshii: his locale is already set to cs, judging by his pastebins |
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| 15:00.24 | jelly-home | moshii: eg. http://paste.debian.net/15441/ |
| 15:01.04 | werwolf | moshii: how do I this without restart of PC? |
| 15:01.29 | moshii | jelly-home: hmm, I wonder where debian isnt speaking his language then |
| 15:01.43 | werwolf | jelly-home: Yes, I have OOo in czech now, Thank you for your help :) |
| 15:01.43 | moshii | werwolf: what parts arent in the right language? desktop etc? |
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| 15:02.09 | werwolf | add language, there is only Enlish |
| 15:02.31 | moshii | werwolf: for stuff like kde you will also need to install the right language packages otherwise it will fallback to English |
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| 15:03.11 | jelly-home | werwolf: please pastebin the output of "locale" run in your user (not root) terminal |
| 15:03.12 | werwolf | how? :( |
| 15:03.20 | werwolf | ok |
| 15:03.48 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:04.03 | moshii | werwolf: you'll need czech dictionaries and stuff too |
| 15:04.09 | jelly-home | he didn't say that he can't |
| 15:04.13 | moshii | abrotman: there's no need to |
| 15:04.40 | abrotman | i know there's no need .. sounded like he couldn't |
| 15:04.56 | werwolf | http://paste.debian.net/15450/ |
| 15:05.33 | moshii | werwolf: did you log out of you desktop and back in? |
| 15:05.41 | werwolf | no |
| 15:05.48 | werwolf | I sill now |
| 15:05.50 | werwolf | will |
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| 15:06.42 | curtmack | http://pastebin.com/m5fe84a56 |
| 15:07.06 | moshii | wonders if he'll need to restart his xdm too.. |
| 15:07.25 | curtmack | that's the output that I get whenever pretty much any package gets configured |
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| 15:07.40 | moshii | curtmack: I think that means it's broken. |
| 15:07.49 | werwolf | yes no change |
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| 15:07.57 | curtmack | moshii: Well, it was doing it long before I transferred the files. |
| 15:08.17 | moshii | werwolf: what desktop are you using? is that in czech? |
| 15:08.33 | werwolf | no |
| 15:08.39 | werwolf | everything is Enlish |
| 15:08.46 | moshii | didn't know there was an xpuyopuyo |
| 15:08.47 | werwolf | K |
| 15:08.49 | werwolf | KDE |
| 15:09.12 | moshii | werwolf: kde? install kde-i18n-cs |
| 15:09.30 | moshii | werwolf: you'll then need to switch local from the control centre iirc |
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| 15:09.52 | werwolf | ok, I will try |
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| 15:10.21 | moshii | werwolf: other X applications are coming up in czech though? |
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| 15:11.23 | werwolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.24 | werwolf | no |
| 15:11.30 | werwolf | only shell is in czech |
| 15:11.36 | curtmack | moshii: yeah, there's a ton of packages I have installed that show up on that list, and I have no idea why... |
| 15:12.09 | curtmack | except my theory is that some package that got installed one day had a newline out of place in some script or something |
| 15:12.19 | moshii | curtmack: well, it seems that the menu package is updating your menu or something and its fucked up |
| 15:12.21 | curtmack | that's my only theory though, and it's probably wrong |
| 15:12.36 | moshii | curtmack: can you run update-menu manually? |
| 15:12.50 | moshii | curtmack: update-menus |
| 15:13.00 | curtmack | generates the same output |
| 15:13.17 | moshii | curtmack: so either menu is broken or the menu files are broken |
| 15:13.24 | moshii | curtmack: try reinstalling menu with dpkg |
| 15:14.11 | curtmack | is there a switch for that, or do I just dpkg -r and apt-get install? |
| 15:14.34 | moshii | curtmack: download the package and use dpkg -i to install it |
| 15:14.42 | werwolf | going to restart now |
| 15:14.48 | curtmack | okay then |
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| 15:16.37 | curtmack | yep, after installing it outputs the same stuff |
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| 15:17.32 | dto | hello. can anyone suggest a good program for converting ogg theora video into a DVD? |
| 15:17.49 | moshii | curtmack: it's upset with the first line of all your menu files.. have you mixed distributions or something? |
| 15:18.00 | curtmack | moshii: not that I know of |
| 15:19.10 | moshii | curtmack: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=462648 |
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| 15:20.15 | werwolf | moshii: thank you |
| 15:20.21 | werwolf | it is now in czech |
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| 15:21.25 | moshii | curtmack: half way down is a guy with you problem.. it's weird as all your menu files have a syntax error, so I'm thinking you have a version of menu that is too old or something has broken all your files |
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| 15:21.32 | moshii | werwolf: cool :) |
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| 15:22.09 | moshii | wishes en_GB was just en ;) |
| 15:22.09 | curtmack | that doesn't look like the same problem |
| 15:22.20 | curtmack | well, I still have all the files on the old HD |
| 15:22.31 | Dorian_ | hi all, can i reattach to some user's screen session? i have root account on my box |
| 15:22.37 | curtmack | I'll get a new HD eventually and someone can help me transfer files then |
| 15:22.49 | curtmack | in the mean time the system works. Not perfectly, but it works. |
| 15:23.05 | moshii | curtmack: you have the same unexpected token before the menu entry |
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| 15:24.22 | moshii | curtmack: you could move the menu files out of the way, run update-menu and then reinstall packages with missing menu entries |
| 15:25.31 | curtmack | moshii: too much trouble for the time being... |
| 15:26.03 | curtmack | I don't use the Debian menu that much, since I use Gnome pretty much exclusively |
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| 15:26.28 | moshii | curtmack: the debian menu should populate parts of the gnome menu though |
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| 15:27.04 | moshii | curtmack: and apt will probably get upset if it calls update-menu for a package and it fails |
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| 15:27.30 | Dorian_ | hi all, can i reattach to some user's screen session? i have root account on that server |
| 15:27.32 | curtmack | moshii: No, apt doesn't seem to care. Like I said, this problem has existed for quite some time |
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| 15:28.01 | KleinerHai | Hey, does anyone can tell me how to create a mailing list? |
| 15:28.12 | KleinerHai | Mailserver necessary? |
| 15:28.25 | moshii | KleinerHai: google will run a mailing list for you |
| 15:28.44 | moshii | KleinerHai: or you can use mailman if you want to run it yourself |
| 15:28.45 | curtmack | and I've installed numerous packages, all of them turn out okay. |
| 15:28.49 | XLV | so gnome-desktop is the metapackage one should install to get gnome, or just gnome? |
| 15:29.03 | KleinerHai | Thank you moshii :) |
| 15:29.15 | KleinerHai | I got a vServer so i'll try it on my own. |
| 15:29.29 | moshii | curtmack: yeah, I'm the sort of person that doesn't like lingering issues ;) |
| 15:29.44 | KleinerHai | How much time should I spend for creating a mail server on debian? |
| 15:29.55 | curtmack | anyway, just a comment on the situation, there should be a cp switch (or perhaps a separate utility) that copies not only files, but the lack of files |
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| 15:30.24 | moshii | KleinerHai: the exim configuration stuff is pretty good, you should be able to get a mailserver running pretty quickly |
| 15:30.51 | curtmack | so like, if I copy /dir1 to /dir2, then /dir1/file1 would overwrite /dir2/file1, and if /dir2/file2 exists, it would get deleted because /dir1/file2 doesn't exist |
| 15:30.51 | moshii | curtmack: lack of files? |
| 15:30.54 | curtmack | or something like that |
| 15:31.07 | valdyn | curtmack: no |
| 15:31.13 | KleinerHai | What's your advice? Mailman? I already heart about some other software. |
| 15:31.27 | valdyn | curtmack: man rsync |
| 15:31.46 | dmoerner | curtmack, cp /dir1 to /dir2 is different from cp /dir1/* to /dir. the first just replaces the second directory with dir1 |
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| 15:32.06 | moshii | KleinerHai: mailman doesn't have it's own mta as far as i know |
| 15:32.23 | KleinerHai | Ah okay. |
| 15:33.32 | curtmack | valdyn: thanks, good to know |
| 15:33.33 | moshii | KleinerHai: you'll have to research it, not used it much myself :) |
| 15:33.42 | DVA5912 | can someone go to clubmckinley.hopto.org and see if you get a page? you shouldent get one.. |
| 15:34.19 | moshii | DVA5912: get a directory listing here |
| 15:34.22 | curtmack | anyway, going to update everything |
| 15:34.27 | DVA5912 | not good |
| 15:34.35 | DVA5912 | i uninstalled apache2 |
| 15:34.43 | DVA5912 | why would you still be getting pages |
| 15:35.03 | moshii | DVA5912: because it's still running |
| 15:35.11 | DVA5912 | its been rebooted |
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| 15:35.41 | moshii | DVA5912: maybe you removed one of the utils packages and not the actual server |
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| 15:35.58 | DVA5912 | i did apt-get --purge remove apache2 |
| 15:36.10 | DVA5912 | now if i do it again itl say not installed |
| 15:36.28 | moshii | DVA5912: I can't argue with that, but it's certainly still running as it's serving out pages |
| 15:36.43 | DVA5912 | hmm |
| 15:36.56 | Dorian_ | hi all, can i reattach to some user's screen session? i have root account on that server |
| 15:37.01 | DVA5912 | maby its time for a system reinstall |
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| 15:37.40 | curtmack | well, one last effort to maybe perhaps sorta fix most of the problems here... I know you can use "dpkg-reconfigure" to reconfigure all of your packages, but is there a quick way to completely reinstall all installed packages? |
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| 15:37.49 | curtmack | I mean "dpkg-reconfigure -a" |
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| 15:37.57 | liable | Dorian_: yes, man screen, see screen -x |
| 15:38.25 | moshii | DVA5912: or just use aptitude and make sure you've removed apache |
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| 15:38.38 | jelly-home | 2 |
| 15:38.39 | Dorian_ | liable, when user is creating screen and i want to attach on his screen from root account |
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| 15:39.08 | moshii | you can use the file screen create to do that I think.. |
| 15:39.19 | moshii | s/create/creates/ |
| 15:39.30 | werwolf | where are stored downloads from atp-get install XXX ? |
| 15:39.48 | moshii | Dorian_: becuase you're root you could just su to that user and attach |
| 15:39.49 | DVA5912 | moshii im going to destroy the folders its associated with |
| 15:39.52 | curtmack | werwolf: /var/cache/apt/archive/ if memory serves |
| 15:40.03 | curtmack | but don't delete the files there manually |
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| 15:40.05 | moshii | DVA5912: you need to remove it properly |
| 15:40.10 | curtmack | use apt-get clean |
| 15:40.11 | Dorian_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.19 | jelly-home | DVA5912: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:40.19 | curtmack | (it's safer that way) |
| 15:40.25 | moshii | Dorian_: no, you're root |
| 15:40.28 | RvGaTe | Question: how can i find the host name using either the IP or MAC address of a system? (nslookup is not giving me answers) |
| 15:40.34 | Dorian_ | moshii, sweet, thx :D |
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| 15:40.39 | Lethargik | anyone know how to switch from a /var/mail delivery scheme to a /home/user/Maildir type scheme? |
| 15:40.45 | DVA5912 | jelly-home, do you also get a file listing when visiting the site clubmckinley.hopto.org ? |
| 15:40.51 | abrotman | RvGaTe: on your LAN ? |
| 15:40.52 | moshii | RvGaTe: host <ip address> |
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| 15:40.53 | curtmack | Dorian_: Root is a magic wand. It can do absolutely everything and nothing can stop it. That's why it's never recommended you do normal work from root |
| 15:40.58 | RvGaTe | abrotman, lan, yes |
| 15:41.02 | RvGaTe | moshii, trying :) |
| 15:41.03 | curtmack | it'd be like sandblasting a crouton |
| 15:41.07 | jelly-home | DVA5912: yes. what are you trying to do? |
| 15:41.21 | RvGaTe | moshii, same result as nslookup |
| 15:41.22 | abrotman | RvGaTe: if you don't have DNS setup for your LAN .. you may need something like samba/netbios and nmblookup |
| 15:41.28 | Dorian_ | ok, i have other problem now, i get --> Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/2' - please check. |
| 15:41.36 | DVA5912 | jelly-home to my knowledge i have removes apache2. (apt-get --purge remove apache2) but your still getting pages |
| 15:42.01 | werwolf | thank you :) |
| 15:42.02 | jelly-home | moshii, Dorian_: current tty ownership is to root |
| 15:42.27 | moshii | jelly-home: ah, true |
| 15:42.33 | jelly-home | DVA5912: 1) kill remanining apache2 processes 2) purge apache2-common |
| 15:42.44 | curtmack | anyway, I asked if there was a way to reinstall all packages because I think some files might have somehow gotten left behind |
| 15:42.54 | curtmack | possibly because of space concerns, I dunno |
| 15:42.57 | DVA5912 | purging apache common standby |
| 15:43.05 | curtmack | but anyway, reinstalling all packages would fix most of those problems |
| 15:43.40 | dmoerner | curtmack, you want to reinstall all packages currently on the system? why? |
| 15:43.47 | jelly-home | DVA5912: are you positive "clubmckinley.hopto.org" resolves to your machine? |
| 15:43.52 | DVA5912 | package is not installed |
| 15:43.53 | Dorian_ | jelly, how do i change tty ownership ? |
| 15:44.02 | DVA5912 | jelly-home defenently |
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| 15:44.23 | jelly-home | Dorian_: exit the su shell, back in root do chown thatuser `tty` |
| 15:44.34 | jelly-home | Dorian_: then su - thatuser back |
| 15:44.44 | Dorian_ | thx jelly-home |
| 15:45.02 | werwolf | whats the name of the graphic installation manager? sy* ? |
| 15:45.03 | jez | hi all, does anybody know a way to set Shift + NumLock to be CapsLock under X? |
| 15:45.08 | jelly-home | werwolf: synaptic |
| 15:45.09 | DVA5912 | rack1server1:~# /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 15:45.09 | DVA5912 | Stopping web server (apache2).... |
| 15:45.14 | werwolf | :) |
| 15:45.15 | DVA5912 | thats all it does |
| 15:45.23 | abrotman | synaptic |
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| 15:45.27 | jelly-home | DVA5912: I didn't say that, kill them manually |
| 15:45.42 | DVA5912 | killall? |
| 15:45.56 | dmoerner | jez, try: keycode 77 = Caps_Lock in ~/.Xmodmap |
| 15:45.57 | jelly-home | DVA5912: first, confirm there are some running, then use pkill or killall |
| 15:46.02 | moshii | Dorian_: I think you should also be able to do screen -r [pid.]tty.host to attach to that users screen as root |
| 15:46.16 | dmoerner | jez, keycode 77 is shift+numlock on my thinkpad |
| 15:46.23 | curtmack | dmoerner: I just said, I think some files might have been left behind while I was transferring files |
| 15:46.24 | micols | do i need to recompile ssh to make it chroot jail my accounts? |
| 15:46.24 | DVA5912 | jelly-home wats the command to list the pids |
| 15:46.25 | [sr] | people! |
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| 15:46.34 | Dorian_ | moshii, it's working now |
| 15:46.37 | [sr] | i don't see a way to enable the php pear :( |
| 15:46.40 | RvGaTe | abrotman, its a small lan, so no dns... (do have dhcp, and the leases file contains hostnames)... i tried nmblookup, gives me same result for nslookup... nothing usefull... i read that there is something called nbtstat? http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=security/ipinfo#8 but its not available for debian... |
| 15:46.52 | jelly-home | DVA5912: all the process? I usually use ps -fe |
| 15:46.55 | moshii | Dorian_: all good then :) |
| 15:46.56 | curtmack | I don't know why, but I've been getting a few file not found errors when trying to run certain programs |
| 15:47.17 | jelly-home | DVA5912: your http server seems to be down now |
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| 15:47.27 | abrotman | RvGaTe: checked the man page? remember everyone has to do netbios |
| 15:47.37 | jez | dmoerner: i think keycode 77 is just numlock, so doing that would make numlock = capslock |
| 15:47.40 | RvGaTe | moshii, host keeps giving me not found... (keeps trying on the ISP's dns server i guess?) |
| 15:47.41 | moshii | [sr]: php-pear |
| 15:47.50 | RvGaTe | abrotman, man page on what? |
| 15:47.55 | DVA5912 | yeah im not seeing apache anywhere in the list |
| 15:48.01 | abrotman | [sr]: you've been told multiple times .. what makes you think it's not working? |
| 15:48.01 | moshii | RvGaTe: yeah, it does a reverse dns lookup I think |
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| 15:48.17 | dmoerner | curtmack, aptitude reinstall -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss --force-confnew" $(dpkg --get-selections | grep install | awk '{print $1}' | xargs) |
| 15:48.21 | RvGaTe | moshii, it will never find LAN machines then :( |
| 15:48.23 | DVA5912 | maby its gone... |
| 15:48.25 | [sr] | abrotman i don't see it in phpinfo() output |
| 15:48.32 | abrotman | so what? |
| 15:48.38 | abrotman | did you install any pear modules? |
| 15:48.40 | moshii | RvGaTe: your network needs to have some sort of namig system ;~ |
| 15:48.47 | dmoerner | jez, maybe so, but that certainly does work on my laptop |
| 15:48.55 | [sr] | abrotman installed php-pear only |
| 15:48.56 | RvGaTe | moshii, well, like abrotman said, everyone has NETBIOS... |
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| 15:49.06 | moshii | [sr]: pear isn't a module iirc, it's a bunch of scripts |
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| 15:49.16 | DVA5912 | jelly-home and moshii thats for the help. im going to g install the "perfect" server now |
| 15:49.34 | moshii | RvGaTe: windows machines yeah, you can use smbclient to see a list of hosts in a workgroup, things like that |
| 15:49.36 | DVA5912 | thanks* |
| 15:49.40 | curtmack | dmoerner: thanks |
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| 15:49.58 | [sr] | mosburn and those scripts should be in the include_path right? |
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| 15:50.36 | moshii | [sr]: yeah, but they won't appear in the phpinfo because they aren't a module, they are scripts you can include in your applications |
| 15:50.42 | abrotman | [sr]: you have to install pear modules |
| 15:50.45 | maher | there's some useful tool that extracts the images (in the original tiff format they happen to be in) from a pdf - does anyone remmeber what it's called? |
| 15:50.57 | RvGaTe | moshii, abrotman, moshii just remembered something i need to tell: server = linux, workstations are all windows (xp pro sp3), no domain, just a simple workgroup... |
| 15:51.14 | abrotman | RvGaTe: and? did you install samba on the linux box? |
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| 15:51.21 | RvGaTe | abrotman, yup |
| 15:51.21 | abrotman | RvGaTe: do they have their firewalls going ? |
| 15:51.37 | RvGaTe | abrotman, there is nothing wrong with the network itself, lol |
| 15:51.39 | [sr] | moshii understood, but the path where they are aren't in any of the settings that phpinfo show's: -> .:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear |
| 15:51.46 | abrotman | RvGaTe: i didn't ask that did i? |
| 15:51.48 | micols | how do i enable chroot on my sshd? |
| 15:51.49 | RvGaTe | abrotman, i just need to find the hostnames using ip and mac |
| 15:51.51 | [sr] | abrotman i think i have, it's php-pear only right? |
| 15:51.58 | moshii | [sr]: did you install php-pear? |
| 15:51.59 | dmoerner | curtmack, i gave you a way to do that that may fail in a very specific situation. aptitude reinstall -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss --force-confnew" ~i will always work |
| 15:52.06 | [sr] | mosburn yes |
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| 15:52.07 | RvGaTe | abrotman, i cant see how my question has anything to do with firewalls |
| 15:52.18 | abrotman | [sr]: you don't know much about pear do you? |
| 15:52.28 | moshii | RvGaTe: you can use arping to turn a mac address into an ip address |
| 15:52.32 | curtmack | oh, okay then |
| 15:52.35 | [sr] | abrotman no :) 1st time working with that! |
| 15:52.37 | abrotman | RvGaTe: if the windows boxes have their firewalls on (with no exceptions) the linux box won't be able to resolve a netbios name |
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| 15:53.40 | abrotman | [sr]: maybe you should read a bit about it |
| 15:53.44 | RvGaTe | abrotman, so how does windows do it then? it can see all the computers in the workgroup and resolve hostnames |
| 15:54.07 | moshii | RvGaTe: did you try smbclient? |
| 15:54.07 | abrotman | RvGaTe: magic? i'm just saying you might want to check |
| 15:54.20 | RvGaTe | moshii, looking at it as we speak |
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| 15:54.26 | dmoerner | curtmack, the original command is fine unless you previously marked packages to install but then interrupted apt and never ran aptitude install -f since then |
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| 15:54.37 | moshii | RvGaTe: you should be able to do smbclient -l I think |
| 15:54.40 | [sr] | abrotman i know but i didn«t want to spend alot of time with it, 'cause it's a one time need... sorry |
| 15:54.42 | abrotman | -L ? |
| 15:54.59 | moshii | RvGaTe: yeah it:s -L as abrotman says |
| 15:55.07 | werwolf | I installed synaptic, but can not find it anywere :( |
| 15:55.08 | abrotman | [sr]: http://pear.php.net/manual/ |
| 15:55.12 | werwolf | where could it be? |
| 15:55.18 | abrotman | werwolf: in the KDE menu |
| 15:55.23 | werwolf | yes |
| 15:55.28 | werwolf | but wher? |
| 15:55.39 | abrotman | look? |
| 15:55.59 | werwolf | I am looking 10 minutes now |
| 15:56.13 | moshii | you mean people have to actually use their own brain..?1 |
| 15:56.17 | moshii | shocked |
| 15:56.30 | werwolf | :O |
| 15:56.38 | dmoerner | werwolf, look in System or Utilities |
| 15:56.38 | werwolf | how can I protect it? |
| 15:56.42 | werwolf | thanks |
| 15:56.43 | werwolf | :) |
| 15:57.04 | moshii | werwolf: you should have a debian menu that has a saner layout |
| 15:57.34 | abrotman | moshii: long gone |
| 15:57.48 | [sr] | abrotman going to check, seams easy |
| 15:57.52 | moshii | abrotman: I still have a debian subsection in my kde menu |
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| 15:57.56 | werwolf | not found |
| 15:57.57 | abrotman | moshii: on stable? |
| 15:58.05 | moshii | abrotman: lenny |
| 15:58.16 | blubberdiblub | me too |
| 15:58.28 | abrotman | moshii: long gone in other WM/DEs i've used .. but whatever |
| 15:58.47 | moshii | that's a shame |
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| 15:59.00 | werwolf | found it :) |
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| 15:59.23 | dmoerner | it's amazing what 10 minutes of looking through 6 menus can get you... |
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| 16:00.15 | moshii | dmoerner: you can just use run command from the menu and type it in |
| 16:01.18 | werwolf | moshii: I have opened synaptic. How can I install SeaMonkey? |
| 16:01.35 | jelly-home | werwolf: it's called iceape |
| 16:01.35 | moshii | werwolf: I don't use synaptic |
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| 16:02.05 | werwolf | ahhhhhhh, ok :) |
| 16:02.13 | werwolf | jelly-home: thanks again :) |
| 16:02.17 | [sr] | abrotman hum... does open_basedir setting collaps with include_path ? |
| 16:02.23 | werwolf | I could not do anyghing without yo9u |
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| 16:03.07 | abrotman | [sr]: you're aware of ##php right ? |
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| 16:03.27 | [sr] | yes im there |
| 16:03.28 | [sr] | :p |
| 16:03.34 | [sr] | dont be that mad to me |
| 16:03.38 | curtmack | well anyway, everything seems fine now |
| 16:03.45 | curtmack | so I'll come back when I need help again :P |
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| 16:03.47 | jelly-home | werwolf: you would have to search, or remember someone already told you about iceape a few hours ago when you first asked about it |
| 16:04.01 | abrotman | [sr]: so you'd probably do better to ask there |
| 16:06.05 | moshii | are there any better ldap management tools than phpldapadmin? |
| 16:06.28 | abrotman | for GUIfied stuff .. not really that i've seen |
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| 16:07.45 | moshii | abrotman: mm using theis commercial one called ldapadmintool. which is better but still not great |
| 16:07.52 | moshii | s/theis/this |
| 16:08.05 | werwolf | jelly-home: how can I set Opera as default browser? |
| 16:08.10 | werwolf | or moschi |
| 16:08.15 | werwolf | or moshi |
| 16:08.28 | maher | there's some useful tool that extracts the images (in the original tiff format they happen to be in) from a pdf - does anyone remember what it's called? |
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| 16:08.55 | abrotman | moshii: there are a few commercial ones that are good .. but as far as F/OSS there is phpldapadmin, LABE(dead i think), and another i can't recall |
| 16:09.35 | jelly-home | werwolf: as root, update-alternatives --config x-www-browser and chose the number for opera |
| 16:09.55 | abrotman | and LABE was kind of buggy too |
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| 16:10.31 | moshii | abrotman: stuck with phpldapadmin then :/ |
| 16:10.53 | abrotman | moshii: there's another i can't recall .. maybe ask #ldap .. they may know of others |
| 16:11.05 | blubberdiblub | moshii: what about gq ? |
| 16:11.21 | moshii | blubberdiblub: it's a bit basic |
| 16:11.45 | blubberdiblub | yeah, admittedly |
| 16:12.15 | moshii | blubberdiblub: I need to be able to create templates and things so that the people at work can just add vhosts, mail accounts etc without knowing much about it's all happening |
| 16:12.17 | abrotman | moshii: maybe gosa ? |
| 16:12.40 | moshii | abrotman: I was looking at gosa, but they seem to want to use their own schemas for everything |
| 16:13.03 | abrotman | ew ok |
| 16:13.21 | moshii | abrotman: and they don't having everything I need. I may just right a php script to wrap around common ldap tasks so that anyone can do them |
| 16:13.33 | moshii | s/having/have/ |
| 16:13.59 | abrotman | it wouldn't be that hard i can't imagine |
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| 16:14.21 | pred2k5 | hi, how to resolve a hostname of a ip? |
| 16:14.31 | moshii | abrotman: Don't want to reinvent the whell if I don't need to though |
| 16:14.42 | moshii | pred2k5: reverse dns lookup can be done with host |
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| 16:14.59 | moshii | wonders how phpldapadmins templates work |
| 16:15.07 | blubberdiblub | pred2k5: and with dig, too (thinking of option -x) |
| 16:15.35 | moshii | ping will also try to resolve the hostname I think |
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| 16:16.45 | blubberdiblub | that probably depends on what package you take it from. mine does not do reverse lookups if fed with an ip |
| 16:17.05 | jelly-home | host or dig, then |
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| 16:30.16 | werwolf | last thing for today 8-) I need soliltaire for my mum |
| 16:30.33 | lbt | hi, I've just updated some nfs packages and I'm getting permission denied errors. Any idea why? |
| 16:30.38 | werwolf | is there something for debian? |
| 16:30.49 | lbt | my server is working just fine for all my other clients |
| 16:30.57 | simonrvn | lbt: BTS |
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| 16:31.11 | simonrvn | lbt: for nfs-common |
| 16:31.27 | lbt | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 16:31.57 | simonrvn | hint: scroll down to where it says sec=sys ;) |
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| 16:33.21 | blubberdiblub | werwolf, yes, for kde it's in the "kpat" package |
| 16:34.26 | lbt | simonrvn: yes - that'll be it - I'm trying to help with a kernel bug so 2.6.26.3 atm too; FWIW mine is mounted via autofs5 |
| 16:35.08 | simonrvn | it'll work anyway, just add it to the options autofs uses |
| 16:35.21 | lbt | yep, on it |
| 16:35.45 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 16:35.48 | jelly-home | there's an autofs5 now?? |
| 16:35.55 | jelly-home | searches |
| 16:36.02 | simonrvn | yup |
| 16:36.34 | simonrvn | didn't see it for ppc yet, but yeh, rather cool. |
| 16:36.46 | lbt | it has problems on diskless though, uses /dev/random internally instead of /dev/urandom :) |
| 16:37.00 | lbt | runs out of entropy and hangs :( |
| 16:37.07 | simonrvn | yeouch |
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| 16:37.20 | lbt | took me a while to figure that one out :) |
| 16:37.29 | jelly-home | "please start thrashing the keyboard and mouse NOW" |
| 16:37.39 | RvGaTe | tre2t42 t432 t42 WTRE dasDASFDSFDASF |
| 16:37.43 | simonrvn | hehe yeh |
| 16:37.48 | RvGaTe | started |
| 16:37.52 | lbt | it was a mythtv box - aparently hitting the ir controller doesn't help |
| 16:38.00 | jelly-home | RvGaTe: you're not very random! |
| 16:38.16 | lbt | jelly-home: coincidence |
| 16:38.22 | jelly-home | 44444444444444444444 |
| 16:38.23 | RvGaTe | jelly-home, had my right hand on the mouse... sorry |
| 16:38.33 | simonrvn | i just start holding down some of the modifier keys |
| 16:38.51 | Blast_Hardcheese | jelly-home: Are you sure that's random? |
| 16:38.54 | Blast_Hardcheese | ;) |
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| 16:39.57 | werwolf | thanks blubberdiblub :) |
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| 16:40.44 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: are you sure it's not? |
| 16:40.46 | simonrvn | then your partner starts looking at you funny because you're typing like a madman and shaking the mouse like you're on drugs. "what are you doing?" "just generating entropy hon" "oh, okaaaaay" :P |
| 16:41.02 | liable | hah |
| 16:41.31 | php6th | what is a good subversion system? |
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| 16:42.48 | SpeedyG | svn |
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| 16:43.27 | liable | i would say 'duh' but it feels redundant.. |
| 16:44.29 | SpeedyG | true :) |
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| 16:49.10 | prolix | hi |
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| 16:50.09 | prolix | is it possible to set up sshd and the corresponding /etc/ssh/sshd_config file using a bash script? |
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| 16:52.11 | jelly-home | prolix: sure, you can do anything with a script, and that includes changing file contents |
| 16:52.34 | prolix | jelly-home: thank you |
| 16:52.49 | jelly-home | prolix: it's pretty much a generic programming language |
| 16:54.18 | prolix | jelly-home: i know basic stuff in bash, but i don't know how i would go about changing the different fields using vi(m) without writing an entirely different file which included fields and their variables as a replacement for /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 16:54.43 | jelly-home | prolix: and that's the way it's usually done |
| 16:55.06 | DVA5912 | Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...httpd (no pid file) not running |
| 16:55.07 | DVA5912 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.10 | prolix | jelly-home: talk about a lucky guess. thank you again |
| 16:55.13 | DVA5912 | Um its a new install |
| 16:55.16 | DVA5912 | why would it do that |
| 16:55.24 | jelly-home | prolix: you create a complete new file, and replace it with an atomic mv |
| 16:56.26 | jelly-home | prolix: you typically wouldn't use vi, but utilities like sed, grep or awk |
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| 16:57.41 | prolix | jelly-home: i've never used sed or awk so i guess i should get to experimentation. and on a sidenote, the only atomic mv i know of is nuclear fission or anything that isn't chilled to absolute 0 |
| 16:58.13 | jelly-home | !atomic |
| 16:58.13 | dpkg | i guess atomic is subatomic refuse |
| 16:58.20 | jelly-home | dpkg: you suck |
| 16:58.21 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 16:58.27 | prolix | heh |
| 16:59.30 | jelly-home | prolix: dunno, /msg dpkg grounding, msg dpkg unix lessons |
| 16:59.52 | prolix | jelly-home: thank you kindly. you've been an enormous help |
| 17:00.01 | jelly-home | hm, unix lessons isn't what I though it'd be |
| 17:00.03 | SpeedyG | DVA5912: probably because it wasnt running and you were trying to restart it |
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| 17:00.38 | DVA5912 | rack1server1:/etc/postfix/ssl# /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 17:00.38 | DVA5912 | Starting web server (apache2)... failed! |
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| 17:01.35 | SpeedyG | DVA5912: perhaps check your apache logs for errors |
| 17:04.10 | jelly-home | also, "apache2ctl configtest" |
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| 17:06.22 | dashs | Anyone having X greter failures? |
| 17:06.33 | dashs | er greeter |
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| 17:08.26 | DVA5912 | man whats wrong now |
| 17:08.42 | DVA5912 | i just installed apache2 after purging it. and the directory is gone |
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| 17:15.24 | skyjumper | is there a preferred debianized kernel image for KVM virtualization... either the host or guest? |
| 17:15.30 | jelly-home | DVA5912: which directory is gone? |
| 17:15.38 | werwolf | well, thanks all :) |
| 17:15.38 | DVA5912 | APache2 |
| 17:15.49 | jelly-home | that's not a full path |
| 17:16.24 | hopecon | what's the hotplug equivalent in sid? |
| 17:16.35 | jelly-home | hopecon: udev? |
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| 17:16.46 | jelly-home | in etch, too |
| 17:17.13 | hopecon | ok, my scenario is this: on my thinkpad, running sid, i plug in a usb stick, and it lights up, so i know it has power, but i don't see any events logged in any logs |
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| 17:18.00 | jelly-home | hopecon: not even /var/log/kern.log or dmesg? |
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| 17:18.28 | hopecon | nope, not even there |
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| 17:18.47 | hopecon | the laptop also doesn't beep like it used to |
| 17:18.51 | DVA5912 | where does apt keep its debs? |
| 17:18.58 | hopecon | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.08 | hopecon | er, /var/cache/apt |
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| 17:19.22 | jester54 | DVA5912, if your wanting to remove them use aptitude clean |
| 17:19.23 | jelly-home | hopecon: then something is wrong with usb drivers or hardware. has this machine gone through a suspend/resume cycle? |
| 17:19.49 | hopecon | probably so... |
| 17:19.59 | hopecon | i'm going to reboot it; detaching, brb |
| 17:20.00 | jelly-home | hopecon: I mean on this reboot. |
| 17:20.10 | jelly-home | k |
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| 17:22.10 | DVA5912 | i dont get it |
| 17:22.21 | DVA5912 | i cleaned it ive purged it ive installed it but nothing |
| 17:22.27 | DVA5912 | there is no folder /etc/apache2 |
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| 17:23.43 | jelly-home | DVA5912: did you purge apache2-common, too? |
| 17:23.49 | DVA5912 | negative |
| 17:23.51 | liable | Dan6688: which bit did you purge? |
| 17:24.03 | liable | common is the one with the files |
| 17:24.08 | jelly-home | DVA5912: did you remove the files with a manual rm? |
| 17:24.33 | DVA5912 | yes, bad? |
| 17:24.36 | jelly-home | yes. |
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| 17:24.45 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 17:24.55 | jelly-home | DVA5912: do apt-get --purge remove apache2-common, and install again |
| 17:25.06 | DVA5912 | Ok |
| 17:25.21 | liable | if he removed the whole dir, it will fail |
| 17:25.38 | liable | to reinstall the correct files |
| 17:25.38 | jelly-home | DVA5912: "/msg dpkg confmiss" for an explanation |
| 17:25.41 | Nazcafan | whenever I boot the computer after a power failure or after I put the computer on hibernate, the boot process takes ages to reach lilo, and then ages, to load the kernel, after having loaded the kernel, everything goes fine, though |
| 17:25.50 | DVA5912 | Apache2-common is not installed |
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| 17:26.03 | Nazcafan | has anyone experienced such a slowdown ? |
| 17:26.12 | liable | capital A ? |
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| 17:26.39 | vinc456 | is it possible to get the c standard library reference as a man page? i downloaded glibc-doc and glibc-doc-reference but i'm not sure how to use them |
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| 17:26.52 | Texou | hi again :) |
| 17:26.56 | Texou | I progress |
| 17:27.09 | Texou | I solved my X problem :) |
| 17:27.20 | Texou | probably a problem in my ewn codfig |
| 17:27.27 | liable | vinc456: the libc docs are in non-free and available as html pages |
| 17:27.29 | jelly-home | DVA5912: dpkg -l apache2\* |grep -v '^[up]n' | tail -n +6 |
| 17:27.39 | DVA5912 | did aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall apache2 |
| 17:27.53 | DVA5912 | commanding dpkg -l apache2\* |grep -v '^[up]n' | tail -n +6 |
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| 17:28.18 | DVA5912 | ok lists 5 lines with apache-* |
| 17:28.23 | liable | vinc456: they will be in /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 17:28.43 | Nazcafan | vinc456: I think you kan try man headerfile or man printf, for example |
| 17:28.48 | jelly-home | DVA5912: paste, or pastebin the output |
| 17:28.51 | Nazcafan | s/kan/can |
| 17:28.54 | DVA5912 | ok |
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| 17:29.26 | Blast_Hardcheese | jelly-home: I thought you were quoting Dilbert |
| 17:29.36 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: i was. |
| 17:29.37 | harmattan | Hi. This is my first try with wireless in Debian. Are there any madwifi or ath5k drivers for ar5007 chips in the repos, or do I have to compile it from source as in Slack? |
| 17:29.42 | vinc456 | liable: i see them, thanks. |
| 17:29.46 | Blast_Hardcheese | jelly-home: Neat |
| 17:30.02 | DVA5912 | http://alphaman1101.pastebin.com/m54271e5b |
| 17:30.20 | vinc456 | Nazcafan: man printf works great, thanks |
| 17:30.26 | jelly-home | ah, it's apache2.2-common |
| 17:30.41 | Nazcafan | vinc456: I am not sure it is exactly what you were looking for |
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| 17:31.25 | jelly-home | DVA5912: you'll have to apt-get --purge remove apache2.2-common, and install apache2 again; that ought to ensure the installation is clean enough |
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| 17:31.31 | Texou | well now the last problem I'd like to solve my net problem |
| 17:31.42 | DVA5912 | OK Performing |
| 17:31.53 | vinc456 | Nazcafan: well i was hoping that i could do something like 'man stdio' or man 'stdio.h' |
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| 17:32.26 | Texou | Debian creates automatically in /etc/init.d/networking an entry for my netcard forcedeth whereas one has been already existed and set to eth0. What can I do to prevent this? |
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| 17:32.52 | Nazcafan | vinc456: man strdio works for me |
| 17:32.55 | DVA5912 | yeah it saying stuff about purging so it should be good. now do i reinstall apache2>? |
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| 17:33.03 | jelly-home | Texou: surely not in /etc/init.d/networking! |
| 17:33.27 | Texou | jelly-home: shouldn't I change it? |
| 17:33.28 | vinc456 | Nazcafan: do you remember which package you installed? |
| 17:33.41 | Texou | oops |
| 17:33.43 | Texou | sorry |
| 17:33.47 | Texou | jelly-home: right :D |
| 17:33.54 | Nazcafan | vinc456: no, as far as I remember it always worked |
| 17:34.06 | jelly-home | Texou: you probably want /msg dpkg z25 |
| 17:34.11 | Texou | jelly-home: I mean /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 17:34.29 | vinc456 | hmmm well i have google around. for now the docs in |
| 17:34.32 | vinc456 | /usr/share/doc/glibc-doc-reference/html |
| 17:34.33 | Texou | ?I try |
| 17:34.42 | vinc456 | '/usr/share/doc/glibc-doc-reference/html' will do |
| 17:34.48 | vinc456 | thanks again |
| 17:34.58 | jelly-home | Texou: or maybe even /msg dpkg forcedeth mac |
| 17:35.03 | Nazcafan | vinc456: the manpage of stdio is in my native language if it can be of any help |
| 17:35.09 | flyback | reads up on threading compressor hose with teflon tape 101 and hopes this increases his 2 gallon tank air blow time |
| 17:35.14 | Texou | ok |
| 17:35.18 | Texou | I check these |
| 17:35.28 | jelly-home | DVA5912: yes |
| 17:35.39 | DVA5912 | getting files |
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| 17:36.38 | DVA5912 | :D:D:D:D:D:D |
| 17:36.40 | xushi | how do i use `rename` to rename the beginning of all the files? |
| 17:36.51 | DVA5912 | Thank you verry much jelly-home |
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| 17:38.59 | Texou | jelly-home: with forcedeth mac I'(e acomprehension english problem. It means I delete everything except the entry for eth0 and I replace the mac address? |
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| 17:40.07 | jelly-home | Texou: if the other entries are irrelevant, yes |
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| 17:40.46 | Texou | jelly-home: ok. And will my mac address stay stable anyway? |
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| 17:41.55 | jelly-home | Texou: I can't vouch for that, but at least the "00:00:6c:*" seems to promise it'll catch all the random changes |
| 17:42.16 | Texou | ok |
| 17:42.19 | Texou | I try |
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| 17:43.21 | Texou | I come back to try :D |
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| 17:44.17 | Sashi | quick question |
| 17:44.22 | Sashi | where does iptables store its data? |
| 17:44.41 | simonrvn | in kernel memory |
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| 17:45.04 | Sashi | so there is no way to modify it without being in shell? |
| 17:45.19 | curtmack | okay, I've found the main problem with this |
| 17:45.21 | curtmack | I think |
| 17:45.23 | simonrvn | you use iptables to modify it |
| 17:45.54 | simonrvn | you can also save it to disk, mod that, then reload it |
| 17:45.57 | Sashi | thats the problem, i denied myself access to shell |
| 17:45.58 | curtmack | whenever I try to remove epiphany-extensions or certain other packages, it says "Package is in a bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall before attempting removal" |
| 17:46.06 | Sashi | gotta go in rescue mod |
| 17:46.14 | curtmack | And when I try to do that, I get this error: "update-python-modules: error: Trying to overwrite gtk-2.0/gtkmozembed.so which is already provided by /usr/share/python-support/python-gnome2-extras |
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| 17:46.35 | pauljr | I installed the latest Nvidia binary from nvidia.com and now I want to uninstall it because it won't load, saying the version of the module and driver don't match. Does anyone know how to uninstall the nvidia binary? It didn't register on 'dpkg -l nvidia' |
| 17:46.43 | simonrvn | remove both, install one or the other |
| 17:46.48 | simonrvn | curtmack: ^^^ |
| 17:46.56 | PiousMinion | Can someone please tell me how to properly escape "(" and ")" in /etc/fstab? I've been googleing for hours. |
| 17:47.06 | curtmack | simonrvn: The problem is, I get that when I try to install practically _ANY_ package |
| 17:47.11 | simonrvn | keep a note of what it removes |
| 17:47.20 | moshii | pauljr: you used nvidia's installer? |
| 17:47.23 | curtmack | so I don't think it's related to any particular conflicting package... |
| 17:47.24 | simonrvn | because you need to *fix* it |
| 17:47.45 | pauljr | moshii: correct, except first I installed the debian packages from sid |
| 17:48.10 | moshii | pauljr: why should dpkg register it.. you need to remove it as-per the instruction nvidia should have included |
| 17:48.20 | curtmack | simonrvn: when I tried to remove python-gnome2-extras, I got the same error |
| 17:48.31 | simonrvn | duh, of course it doesn't show in dpkg's listing, it's not a package |
| 17:48.34 | pauljr | moshii: thanks that might help |
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| 17:49.24 | curtmack | so I think Python's module system has gotten severely effed |
| 17:49.33 | simonrvn | curtmack: re-get the python-gnome2-extras deb, then --force-overwrite it, purge epiphany-extensions |
| 17:49.49 | simonrvn | dpkg -i --force-overwrite foo.deb |
| 17:49.50 | dpkg | package --force-overwrite foo.deb is already installed |
| 17:49.58 | simonrvn | dpkg: shuaddup |
| 17:49.58 | dpkg | no idea, simonrvn |
| 17:50.03 | simonrvn | dpkg: shaddup |
| 17:50.04 | dpkg | fine, be that way! |
| 17:50.29 | curtmack | Still getting an error. |
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| 17:50.52 | curtmack | The error is coming from update-python-modules, not dpkg |
| 17:51.01 | curtmack | so I don't think any amount of --force-x switches will fix it |
| 17:51.11 | Nyle | hm |
| 17:51.19 | simonrvn | yeh.... but what's the error? i've fixed worse... |
| 17:51.26 | curtmack | update-python-modules: error: Trying to overwrite gtk-2.0/gtkmozembed.so which is already provided by /usr/share/python-support/python-gnome2-extras |
| 17:51.29 | simonrvn | you're not giving me enough info |
| 17:51.36 | simonrvn | pastebin it... |
| 17:51.38 | curtmack | I did actually say that earlier |
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| 17:51.50 | curtmack | oh, entire output? |
| 17:51.54 | curtmack | I can do that, give me a sec |
| 17:51.59 | simonrvn | yes, thanks |
| 17:52.32 | simonrvn | sorry for my impatience, i'm hungry and need to eat |
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| 17:52.54 | curtmack | http://pastebin.com/d4519d814 |
| 17:52.56 | Texou | re |
| 17:53.23 | RvGaTe | is there a known tool for reordering the dhcpd.leases on mac address? if not, i guess ill be busy tonight :P |
| 17:53.35 | curtmack | hmm, one possible WTF here is that python-gnome2-extras is deselected even though it's installed |
| 17:54.59 | curtmack | so yeah, somehow my backup process became seriously effed |
| 17:55.01 | Texou | well not work |
| 17:55.08 | curtmack | I think I'm going to have to do it again |
| 17:55.38 | simonrvn | curtmack: the fuck? go see the bts, it's probably covered by now; i didn't have such problems with it. |
| 17:55.40 | Texou | doing what says forcedeth mac, at boot, it creates a new entry in udev, and so goes on being random |
| 17:55.40 | jberg | hey, can anyone here watch these streams? http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Electrical-Engineering-and-Computer-Science/6-046JFall-2005/LectureNotes/ |
| 17:55.48 | curtmack | this time I'll use rsync though... |
| 17:56.03 | curtmack | simonrvn: I think the problem is that I transferred my system from one HD to another |
| 17:56.14 | Texou | and it creates the entry it decides |
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| 17:56.27 | werwolf_cz | hi, thats me again :P |
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| 17:56.36 | jberg | i tried using mplayer with -dumpstream, but when i try to play the dumped file it exits after 10-15 minutes, i dont understand why |
| 17:56.37 | curtmack | the problem is, the other HD wasn't clean (it had its own install of Debian on it, because I couldn't for the life of me get grub-install to work on its own) |
| 17:56.40 | simonrvn | curtmack: no, borked packages |
| 17:56.40 | moshii | curtmack: did you preserve file permissions and attributes when you did it? |
| 17:56.47 | werwolf_cz | I need a keyboard shortcut for changing keyboard |
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| 17:56.51 | curtmack | moshii: yeah, cp -ax |
| 17:56.59 | jelly-home | jberg: try asking in #mplayer |
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| 17:57.01 | werwolf_cz | I have set it, but it does not seem to work |
| 17:57.13 | curtmack | moshii: I would have more severe problems if file permissions were messed up |
| 17:57.13 | jberg | jelly-home: yes, i did now. forgot sorry |
| 17:57.34 | Texou | how can I prevent udev from creating anything in network? |
| 17:57.37 | moshii | curtmack: was just a thought.. did you remove the other debian install before you did it? |
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| 17:58.08 | moshii | werwolf_cz: for consoles or X? |
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| 17:58.56 | jelly-home | jberg: np, just that they might know more |
| 17:59.11 | Texou | jelly-home: I dont know how work bootscripts Debian, but can they be responsible for this 1dev creation of devices? |
| 18:00.07 | jelly-home | Texou: does the mac address always change? |
| 18:00.36 | bernhard | make-kpkg failed because fakeroot was missing. How do I use it so it won't compile the kernel again, but make the package only? |
| 18:00.55 | Texou | jelly-home: no (since my router is able to give the same IP every time and I set it to give this IP for this MAC) |
| 18:01.12 | jelly-home | Texou: so you always have the same MAC? |
| 18:01.20 | Texou | yes |
| 18:01.34 | jelly-home | Texou: weird. tried setting that in z25...? |
| 18:01.48 | Texou | yes |
| 18:02.04 | jelly-home | Texou: can you pastebin the whole file? |
| 18:02.13 | Texou | ok |
| 18:02.23 | moshii | bernhard: surely you need to build the kernel to make a package? |
| 18:02.27 | curtmack | moshii: no, that's the problem I think |
| 18:03.03 | moshii | curtmack: can you not go back to the original drive and start again? |
| 18:03.06 | bernhard | moshii: No, but I did for the first time, because I wanted to. |
| 18:03.19 | moshii | curtmack: or just move home somewhere and start again |
| 18:03.21 | curtmack | the problem is, my old hard drive, my new hard drive, and my cd-rom drive (for a boot disc, so I can remove the current system) can't all be hooked up at the same time |
| 18:03.41 | curtmack | stupid new computers only have one IDE slot |
| 18:03.47 | moshii | bernhard: make-kpkg will clean the kenrel and build it again iirc, I don't think you can tell it to do otherwise |
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| 18:03.56 | curtmack | so I may have to get a new, NEW hard drive |
| 18:04.01 | curtmack | which uses SATA |
| 18:04.05 | Texou | hmm I try with a file exactly matching to what asks dpkg.. I come back. |
| 18:04.12 | moshii | curtmack: you can have slaves on ide |
| 18:04.18 | curtmack | but only one |
| 18:04.22 | curtmack | one master, one slave |
| 18:04.24 | bernhard | hmm, pity. It took 74 minutes to compile. |
| 18:04.25 | curtmack | I have three drives |
| 18:04.27 | curtmack | will not work :) |
| 18:04.33 | moshii | curtmack: and you only have one ide? |
| 18:04.40 | curtmack | yes |
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| 18:04.48 | jelly-home | bernhard: which architecture is this? |
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| 18:04.59 | bernhard | Athlon 2600+ |
| 18:05.12 | moshii | curtmack: you should use a sata drive anyhow, two drives on the same ide channel will be slow as arse |
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| 18:05.24 | haole | hey there... could someone recommend me a good guide to create debian packages? at google i found only guides to create binary packages, and i want to create source packages too |
| 18:05.30 | jelly-home | bernhard: wtf did you build in, every possible driver? |
| 18:05.34 | bernhard | jelly-home: I used debians .config with some changes. So lots of unused drivers. |
| 18:05.43 | jelly-home | ah. 74 minutes is rather excessive |
| 18:06.09 | werwolf_cz | moshii: sorry I don't understand your question :( |
| 18:06.19 | flyback | curtmack, |
| 18:06.21 | flyback | pata sucks |
| 18:06.28 | flyback | sata is far superior in every aspect |
| 18:06.30 | werwolf_cz | I want to be able to switch to german, spanisch, czech keyboards |
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| 18:06.40 | moshii | werwolf_cz: do you want to change the keymap for the text consoles or for the graphical environment? |
| 18:06.42 | flyback | besides if you have a really big pata hd or pata dvd burner worth keeping |
| 18:06.43 | werwolf_cz | like in windows |
| 18:06.52 | flyback | you can get bidirectional converters now for $10 |
| 18:06.58 | werwolf_cz | for OpenOffice text editor |
| 18:07.00 | werwolf_cz | for Kate |
| 18:07.05 | moshii | werwolf_cz: kde has a keyboard switcher, you can turn it on in the control centre |
| 18:07.06 | werwolf_cz | no, not for consoles |
| 18:07.21 | werwolf_cz | yes, I did, but the schortcut does not work |
| 18:07.29 | werwolf_cz | alt + shift |
| 18:07.31 | curtmack | flyback: umm, can you even get sata CD/DVD drives? |
| 18:07.40 | flyback | uh yeah for yrs now |
| 18:07.42 | werwolf_cz | but I did not restarted the PC yet |
| 18:07.55 | moshii | werwolf_cz: you shouldn't need to restart |
| 18:07.56 | curtmack | really... mine is brand new and it uses IDE |
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| 18:08.09 | flyback | marvel put out a bridge chip that the first sata hard drives used for a year, it kinda killed any sata advantages other than smaller cable, you can't use the native mode |
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| 18:08.12 | moshii | werwolf_cz: you should get a switcher in the notification area |
| 18:08.14 | maligor | I have a fairly old SATA CDROM drive |
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| 18:08.20 | flyback | but it does work so existing optical drive designs can reuse |
| 18:08.32 | flyback | I don't think optical has enough brains to use anything sata native mode anyways |
| 18:08.37 | werwolf_cz | yes I have thes siwtcher |
| 18:08.41 | maligor | not really debian on topic tho |
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| 18:08.45 | flyback | curtmack, |
| 18:08.48 | werwolf_cz | but I would like a keyboard shortcut |
| 18:08.48 | flyback | www.compgeeks.com |
| 18:08.53 | flyback | go to new arrivals |
| 18:09.02 | flyback | they have a bidirectional converter for $10 |
| 18:09.07 | flyback | pata <---> sata |
| 18:09.07 | curtmack | well anyway, I'm perfectly happy with my IDE cd drive, and since I got it like 2 months ago I kinda expect it to last me for quite a while |
| 18:09.09 | moshii | flyback: well, you could get scsi cdroms.. and sata only really does stuff that scsi was doing for ages before |
| 18:09.11 | flyback | sata <---> pata |
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| 18:09.18 | flyback | moshii, this is true |
| 18:09.28 | flyback | curtmack, so get the canucking adaptor :P |
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| 18:09.54 | moshii | flyback: you seem to have missed that he might not be in the us or canada though |
| 18:10.00 | flyback | no he is |
| 18:10.02 | flyback | I just checked :p |
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| 18:11.16 | moshii | flyback: native sata is ahci isn't it? or is that somthing more to do with the sata controller itself? |
| 18:11.16 | soulchild | Hi all,... is there also a shortcut for the middlemosue button (to paste text, that I've marked before) ??? |
| 18:11.22 | flyback | yes |
| 18:11.27 | flyback | almost all native sata is AHCI |
| 18:11.31 | maligor | moshii, that's controller spec |
| 18:11.36 | flyback | except some early ones and nFARCE 3 and 4 |
| 18:11.40 | maligor | it has nothing to do with sata nativeness |
| 18:11.52 | flyback | which btw ended up having massive data loss bugs due to nvidia trying to be too sexy for ahci |
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| 18:12.07 | maligor | most controllers tend to have a sata mode that uses ahci now tho |
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| 18:12.16 | curtmack | besides, how would a bidirectional converter help? a computer is only as fast as its slowest component |
| 18:12.26 | flyback | curtmack, I thought you didn't have a port you needed |
| 18:12.27 | flyback | for ide |
| 18:12.35 | curtmack | I have one |
| 18:12.38 | flyback | this converts a pata to sata |
| 18:12.44 | flyback | or sata to pata |
| 18:12.49 | curtmack | but only one, so I can only use two IDE drives at a time |
| 18:12.54 | moshii | maligor: according to the wikipedia page... it says it allows software to do stuff that pata can't like |
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| 18:12.57 | curtmack | that was my problem with transferring files efficiently |
| 18:13.04 | flyback | well actually only 1 at a time |
| 18:13.12 | flyback | ide can't multitask weel between master and slave |
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| 18:13.14 | curtmack | well yeah, I know. |
| 18:13.18 | maligor | curtmack, I don't think any optical media can exhaust a UDMA channel |
| 18:13.18 | flyback | sata dropped that shit for good |
| 18:13.24 | moshii | maligor: command queuing |
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| 18:13.28 | curtmack | but it can't multitask at all between master and two slaves |
| 18:13.31 | curtmack | which was my point :P |
| 18:13.35 | Condoulo | how would I change my password through the command line in Debian? |
| 18:13.45 | unop | passwd |
| 18:13.49 | curtmack | passwd |
| 18:14.00 | Condoulo | thanks. :) |
| 18:14.15 | maligor | moshii, do you mean sata or ahci? since the two are quite different, ahci is just a controller spec from Intel |
| 18:14.20 | curtmack | it's pronounced "pass-woid" like you have a Brooklyn accent ;) |
| 18:14.36 | Texou | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m1fb5fd57 says what I've now |
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| 18:14.41 | moshii | flyback: master and slave on a ide channel is controlled by the chipselected signal iirc, sort of shows how clever it is ;~ |
| 18:14.44 | simonrvn | flyback: yeh, by going the stupid way and allowing only one per chan |
| 18:15.09 | moshii | maligor: ah, like the usb ones then |
| 18:15.11 | simonrvn | "let's dumb down this bus even further by removing support for even 2 channels" |
| 18:15.30 | moshii | flyback: s/chipselected/chip select/ |
| 18:15.33 | maligor | actually sata supports mort multipliers |
| 18:15.36 | maligor | err.. port |
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| 18:15.47 | flyback | simonrvn, how do you figure that |
| 18:15.50 | flyback | even scsi did that with sas |
| 18:15.51 | maligor | the cables themselves just don't have it |
| 18:15.57 | flyback | it's better to have 1 device per cable |
| 18:16.03 | flyback | in case that device goes nuts |
| 18:16.07 | flyback | it can't stall the whole bus |
| 18:16.09 | simonrvn | by my false reasoning that thought it supported only one |
| 18:16.15 | maligor | well, eSata atleast, I doubt sata intenal does |
| 18:16.19 | flyback | besides |
| 18:16.32 | moshii | flyback: doesn't matter if the bus sharing is properly designed |
| 18:16.33 | flyback | sas and SAta II in some cases now support port multipliers which work like ether switches |
| 18:16.36 | simonrvn | maligor: stop confusing me dammit :P |
| 18:16.38 | flyback | moshii, wrong |
| 18:16.40 | jelly-home | Texou: well, if it always starts with 00:19:66:*, use that for eth0 instead |
| 18:16.51 | flyback | scsi has run into problems with bus sharing before |
| 18:16.55 | flyback | I have seen this personally |
| 18:17.05 | maligor | flyback, wasn't it eSata, not Sata II? |
| 18:17.07 | simonrvn | must've been a shit chipset... |
| 18:17.09 | flyback | it's far more intelligent than ide/sata |
| 18:17.12 | Texou | jelly-home: I try and show yo1 |
| 18:17.17 | moshii | flyback: so that makes all scsi chains bad? |
| 18:17.20 | flyback | but it can still be hosed by a device malfunction |
| 18:17.29 | jelly-home | Texou: I'll be away for a while |
| 18:17.32 | flyback | moshii, no I am saying that 1 device 1 cable is NOT a bad thing |
| 18:17.37 | flyback | cause scsi went that route with sas |
| 18:17.44 | Texou | jelly-home: ah ok |
| 18:17.44 | moshii | flyback: it is if you have lots of devices |
| 18:17.49 | flyback | besides |
| 18:17.52 | flyback | ide was 40 pins |
| 18:17.53 | Texou | I'll wait you're come back |
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| 18:18.06 | flyback | sata is 7 and I think 4 are power |
| 18:18.08 | maligor | fewer cables is cheaper |
| 18:18.22 | flyback | so in the same motherboard space you can have many sata ports in case of a ide port |
| 18:18.38 | moshii | maligor: but you couldn't push as much down a singal channel when pata was created |
| 18:18.44 | simonrvn | oh sure, that's very true, less devices on a bus is good, less stress for the host and bus |
| 18:19.06 | moshii | maligor: s/singal/single |
| 18:19.13 | maligor | moshii, did I say anything in contrary? :P |
| 18:19.25 | maligor | but this is becoming really OT :P |
| 18:19.27 | flyback | simonrvn, besides with port expander logic you can have multiple sas and some sata devices on a cable |
| 18:19.31 | flyback | esata is sweet |
| 18:19.38 | flyback | want to get a esata express card for my laptop soon |
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| 18:19.55 | moshii | maligor: well, you say fewer cables is cheaper. that's only if the copper in a sata cable is the same grad as a ide cable ;) |
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| 18:21.20 | jelly-home | flyback: esata is nice, but beware external media with sata bridges that deny you access to SMART |
| 18:21.50 | flyback | that's why esata is nice :0 |
| 18:21.57 | flyback | it's a native interface |
| 18:22.05 | flyback | full smart data etc |
| 18:22.18 | moshii | jelly-home: you can't do smart over most usb or firewire bridges either though |
| 18:22.21 | jelly-home | flyback: I went esata to make sure I can read smart data on my backup disk, and it turns out the WD disk/enclosure I have still denies it |
| 18:22.47 | flyback | then wd did something stupid |
| 18:22.53 | jelly-home | moshii: this particular enclosure supports it |
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| 18:23.42 | moshii | there is only one usb chipset that allows smart iirc, and that's vendor specific :/ |
| 18:23.48 | jelly-home | moshii: well, at least in windows with their utility. usb connected -> smart works, sata connected -> half the attributes don't |
| 18:24.28 | jelly-home | I basically can read the very basic "passes smart check", but not much more |
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| 18:24.57 | Texou | re |
| 18:25.06 | jelly-home | flyback: it is a native interface, but the enclosure has yes another sata<->sata bridge in it |
| 18:25.19 | jelly-home | Texou: oy |
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| 18:27.17 | jelly-home | runs away again |
| 18:27.22 | Texou | jelly-home: well iT seecs cy netcard ii a bit more stable on a name: eth0_rename. Here's the file: http://pastebin.com/m4ef820cd |
| 18:27.54 | moshii | jelly-home: with e-sata can't you just get a formfactor convertor and hook the drive up directly to the port? |
| 18:28.06 | Texou | in /etc/network/interfaces I've iface eth0_rename inet dhcp, but I've to do dhclient eth0_rename to make the net work |
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| 18:29.09 | jelly-home | Texou: yeah, get rid of the current eth0 entry, change eth0_rename in z25 back to eth0, and fix /e/n/interfaces to use "eth0" |
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| 18:29.33 | Maliuta | Texou: you're having udev issues? if you are ending up with something named _rename :) |
| 18:30.13 | jelly-home | moshii: I don't want to dig into the enclosure |
| 18:30.26 | Texou | jelly-home: but eth0_rename is created automatically at boot :( even if the z25 if empty |
| 18:30.32 | jelly-home | Texou: hmph. |
| 18:30.57 | jelly-home | Texou: what if it isn't empty, but the 00:19:66:70:dc:47 is present? |
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| 18:31.39 | Texou | jelly-home: no if I make the file then reboot, I get eth1 and eth0_rename (file is automatically filled) |
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| 18:31.56 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 18:32.00 | Texou | "make the file empty" |
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| 18:32.25 | jelly-home | Texou: don't make it empty, keep the 00:19:66:70:dc:47 entry, as "eth0" |
| 18:32.37 | jelly-home | then reboot and see what happens |
| 18:32.48 | Texou | ok I try |
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| 18:38.14 | martin` | Hello |
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| 18:40.04 | martin` | I'm trying to set up Samba on debian (etch) so we can store our files from windows, but I can't access it from windows with my linux account - Here's the config: http://rafb.net/p/YHmL8A63.html Do I may have to do something more to make it accessable? |
| 18:40.11 | Texou | jelly-home: cool now I've a eth0 all the time. But I've to do dhclient manually, I dont know why |
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| 18:40.34 | jaalto | Gnome lost both it bars (top, at bottom). They have "faded into blang grey". How do I restore them? (I'd rather not lg out & in) |
| 18:40.45 | jaalto | blak grey |
| 18:40.47 | dmoerner | jaalto, killall gnome-panel |
| 18:40.48 | jaalto | blank grey |
| 18:40.54 | dmoerner | that means the program has crashed |
| 18:42.00 | jaalto | dmoerner: Thanks. The process was killed, but when the bars came back, they were still blank |
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| 18:42.18 | dmoerner | jaalto, add back on your applets then |
| 18:42.43 | jaalto | dmoerner: I'm not sure how to do that? |
| 18:43.08 | dmoerner | jaalto, right click on the panel and go to add to panel |
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| 18:44.06 | jaalto | dmoerner: The top and bottom bars are empty, completely grey. Clicking on them (right or left button) has no effect. |
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| 18:44.22 | dmoerner | jaalto, you need to log out and logback in. |
| 18:44.48 | jaalto | dmoerner: Ugh, Okay. But only after a week when I'm done. |
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| 18:50.02 | SpeedyG | hm, I just had a sudden crash of my server, what logs should I check to find a possible reason for the crash ? |
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| 18:51.07 | Sling | SpeedyG : dmesg |
| 18:51.09 | Sling | or syslog |
| 18:51.20 | SpeedyG | hm, nothing weird in syslog |
| 18:51.46 | Maliuta | anything that was running |
| 18:51.51 | Maliuta | apache logs |
| 18:51.54 | Maliuta | mesages |
| 18:51.57 | Maliuta | mail.log |
| 18:52.29 | Maliuta | if it was major though it's possible the offending log msg wan't written out |
| 18:52.29 | hoxu | SpeedyG, ls -lrt /var/log/ |
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| 18:52.50 | moshii | if it crashed suddenly would anything have been written to the logs.. |
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| 18:53.07 | \sia\ | Aman1: welcome |
| 18:53.08 | SpeedyG | well, thats what i'm wondering |
| 18:53.18 | \sia\ | !tell Aman1 about debian |
| 18:53.32 | \sia\ | !tell Aman1 about etch |
| 18:54.18 | DVA5912 | syscp is givving the error You should install the PHP MySQL extension! is it reffering to php5-mysql? if so i have it installed |
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| 18:55.23 | Maliuta | DVA5912: but is it being loaded with mod_php |
| 18:55.30 | DVA5912 | ok |
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| 18:55.49 | Maliuta | DVA5912: and if it's a cli thing be aware that there is a different .ini file for that |
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| 18:56.16 | DVA5912 | then its probrubly the ini file |
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| 18:56.47 | Maliuta | DVA5912: remember the conf.d dir too |
| 18:57.25 | Maliuta | DVA5912: infact I suggest you learn a heap more about how php is configured in each of its different instances |
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| 18:57.45 | DVA5912 | im thinking im missing a lib |
| 18:58.11 | Maliuta | really |
| 18:59.10 | DVA5912 | but phpmyadmin works... if that has anything to do |
| 18:59.22 | Maliuta | probably not |
| 18:59.46 | Maliuta | you'd need to back up the missing lib theory with actual evidence |
| 19:00.02 | yziquel | hi. i'm trying to modify a debian package to create my own debian package. i've written a dpatch, but i just can't get it to be applied... how do you guys usually do to create a deb package out of another deb package by patching it? |
| 19:00.03 | DVA5912 | Wouldnt phpmyadmin not work if php couldnt connect to mysql? |
| 19:00.27 | Maliuta | like error output from something calling non-existent procedures |
| 19:00.36 | Maliuta | DVA5912: you understand little about how php works |
| 19:00.49 | Maliuta | DVA5912: I recommend you go read some php docs |
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| 19:01.08 | dmoerner | yziquel, did you use dpatch-edit-patch? |
| 19:01.11 | DVA5912 | i know how to program it thats it |
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| 19:01.22 | dmoerner | and add the dpatch include to debian/rules? |
| 19:01.31 | Maliuta | DVA5912: yeah, that doesn't cut it |
| 19:01.35 | infinity0 | is there a way to verify the integrity of installed files? |
| 19:01.42 | dmoerner | infinity0, md5sum |
| 19:01.55 | infinity0 | i meant, automatically |
| 19:01.56 | Maliuta | DVA5912: and if that's your level of understanding I doubt your code is up to scratch |
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| 19:02.02 | infinity0 | for a particoular package, eg |
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| 19:02.19 | yziquel | dmoerner: yes I think so. is it the tool that creates another directory structure in /tmp that you modify, then exit the shell, and you get the dpatch? If that's it, yes. |
| 19:02.21 | DVA5912 | bangs head on desk repededly |
| 19:02.24 | Maliuta | DVA5912: you probably have mess of memory management and really poor error checks |
| 19:02.57 | Maliuta | DVA5912: you need to understand how things work, how does memory get allocated, how do libs load |
| 19:03.22 | dmoerner | yziquel, yes. now you need to edit debian/rules to apply the patch. |
| 19:03.32 | dmoerner | yziquel, if you don't know what i mean then read this: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/index.php?view=use_dpatch |
| 19:04.25 | yziquel | dmoerner: concerning the debian/rules, I do not know where and what to put. there's also a include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/dpatch.mk in debian/rules, so i'm a bit confused. |
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| 19:05.16 | yziquel | dmoerner: reading |
| 19:05.17 | dmoerner | yziquel, you didn't say this was a cdbs build |
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| 19:05.34 | dmoerner | yziquel, that line is enough to apply the patch automatically with cdbs |
| 19:05.41 | yziquel | dmoerner: it's the ocamlnet package. |
| 19:05.49 | dmoerner | you could also use simple-patchsys.mk and cdbs-edit-patch |
| 19:06.05 | yziquel | dmoerner: and it seems that it relies on some cdbs stuff... |
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| 19:06.32 | infinity0 | hmm |
| 19:06.42 | infinity0 | somehow i've fucked up my system |
| 19:06.53 | SpeedyG | usually, thats not so hard ;) |
| 19:06.53 | dmoerner | yziquel, dpatch-edit-patch + that line in debian/rules is all you need. ignore the link i sent you i presumed you were using standard dh_ calls rather than cdbs |
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| 19:06.57 | infinity0 | henever i click "open" in a gnome program it crashes |
| 19:07.10 | infinity0 | what package should i reinstall? |
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| 19:09.03 | dmoerner | yziquel, if you still can't get it to work just tell me the name of the package and the patch and i will make you a diff |
| 19:09.17 | yziquel | dmoerner: well, that's what I did. dpatch-edit-patch + that line in debian/rules... so I do not understand why pbuilder doesn't work out nicely... |
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| 19:09.42 | dmoerner | yziquel, could you pastebin the error, ls -l debian/patches, and the contents of debian/rules |
| 19:10.00 | Samuel | How do I configure Debian to connect to a wireless router at bootup? |
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| 19:10.25 | CuBe0wL | hi all! anybody here with Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG wifi ? |
| 19:10.44 | dmoerner | dpkg, tell CuBe0wL about iwlwifi |
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| 19:10.55 | CuBe0wL | well thx, I know about that |
| 19:11.09 | CuBe0wL | and I can see the wifi router too |
| 19:11.32 | yziquel | dmoerner: there's no error. pbuild compiles stuff, but when I look at the ocaml .mli files in the created package, i just do not see my modifications. learning how to pastebin, and pastebining ls -l debian/patches and debian/rules. |
| 19:11.42 | CuBe0wL | I've set up the wifi connection according to this: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 19:12.03 | CuBe0wL | iwlist wlan0 scan lists my router |
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| 19:12.18 | CuBe0wL | but I can't get any IP with dhclient |
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| 19:13.39 | CuBe0wL | hmm... dmoerner thx for the dpkg bot reply. I'll try at their irc channel too |
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| 19:14.28 | dmoerner | yziquel, pbuilder will tell you which dpatch patches it is applying when it builds the package |
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| 19:15.54 | yziquel | dmoerner: http://paste.lisp.org/display/65743 |
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| 19:16.40 | yziquel | dmoerner: redoing pbuilder build |
| 19:16.43 | dmoerner | yziquel, one last question: what is the contents of debian/patches/00list |
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| 19:19.28 | yziquel | dmoerner: the last line of 00list is yziquel_post_multipart.dpatch |
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| 19:21.29 | dmoerner | yziquel, are you sure your patch works? you can try by cloning the source directory, running dpatch apply-all, check that the package has been applied, and then just running ./configure && make |
| 19:21.39 | dmoerner | s/package/patch |
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| 19:22.52 | yziquel | dmoerner: I'm not sure that my patch works. I think the code should work, and given the way ocaml compiles things, the packages shouldn't be able to build altogether. i'll do what you say. |
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| 19:23.29 | yziquel | i.e. the packages shouldn't be able to build altogether if the code is wrong. but I get packages built nevertheless |
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| 19:52.03 | yziquel | dmoerner: http://yziquel.homelinux.org/pbuilder_build.log |
| 19:52.22 | yziquel | dmoerner: here's the log of my pbuilder build command. |
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| 19:54.41 | yziquel | dmoerner: the patch applies (approximately) only to http_client.ml |
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| 19:54.52 | BeastSatanDeamon | :S |
| 19:55.15 | yziquel | ocamlfind ocamlc -g -I ../../src/equeue -I ../../src/netstring -I ../../src/netsys -package "unix pcre" -c http_client.mli |
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| 19:55.39 | yziquel | dmoerner: this one seems to go fine. |
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| 19:55.58 | yziquel | ocamlfind ocamlc -g -I ../../src/equeue -I ../../src/netstring -I ../../src/netsys -package "unix pcre" -c http_client.ml |
| 19:56.15 | yziquel | this one too, and that's where the patch should apply. |
| 19:56.23 | enouf | [15:55:14] Ignoring *!*@201.242.252.135 ... what a relief! |
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| 19:57.24 | whileimhere | Hi! |
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| 19:58.28 | yziquel | dmoerner: moreover, according to my patch, i should have the option -package "unix pcre str"... |
| 19:58.59 | dmoerner | yziquel, pbuilder is not applying the patch. |
| 19:59.19 | dmoerner | you see that it is mentioned nowhere when dpatch is called |
| 19:59.27 | yziquel | looking |
| 19:59.31 | dmoerner | you're sure dpatch apply-all works in a vacuum? this is strange |
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| 20:01.00 | yziquel | i'll try dpatch apply-all. i'm not sure that this works. new to dpatch, sorry... |
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| 20:01.50 | dmoerner | ugh this is why cdbs sucks sometimes...its hard to diagnose problems when it's all automated |
| 20:02.16 | yziquel | i wouldn't nevertheless blaming people for automating things... |
| 20:02.52 | krekon | I have problem with a hard drive maxtor. when I connect the hard drive and pc starts it recognises the hard drive the bios but freezes on the next screen bios system configuration and writes on primery master Lba ,Mode 4, . do you know how I can fix this? |
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| 20:03.57 | ZOP | krekon: make sure the drive is jumpered for master, also some older WDs and I think it was maxtors do not get along well on the same channel. The other thing is it could be trying to boot the drive and there may just be garbage where the boot information is supposed to live. |
| 20:04.01 | ZOP | so check your boot order too. |
| 20:04.08 | ZOP | because "next screen" is meaningless. |
| 20:04.12 | ZOP | there's a lot of next screens |
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| 20:06.40 | krekon | ZOP I say next screen " bios system configuration". this screen on normal boot appears in msec but for me it freezes there. |
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| 20:07.43 | krekon | explain please what to do about the boot order. because everything else I have done it |
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| 20:11.55 | krekon | ZOP you mean master and slave? I have only master. I use only one maxtor |
| 20:12.08 | zinx | krekon: was it working in the past? |
| 20:12.19 | krekon | WD |
| 20:12.30 | krekon | only with WD |
| 20:13.15 | zinx | is it IDE or SATA? |
| 20:13.26 | krekon | and still works with WD. I want to change it to maxtor |
| 20:13.29 | krekon | IDE |
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| 20:13.45 | zinx | do you have the power plugged in to it? (it shouldn't be detected all without power, but you never know) |
| 20:13.55 | krekon | yes |
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| 20:14.18 | zinx | make sure the cables are secure too.. if they are it may be a bad drive, or a bad ide controller on the motherboard |
| 20:14.34 | zinx | could be a buggy bios too i guess :x |
| 20:14.49 | zinx | oh, how big is the maxtor drive? |
| 20:15.01 | jelly-home | about yay big |
| 20:15.04 | zinx | i think ones >120G require a newer computer |
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| 20:15.16 | zinx | 48-bit addressing or such |
| 20:15.18 | jelly-home | 137GB limit |
| 20:15.21 | krekon | ok . it is a good drive but how could I check ide controller? |
| 20:15.31 | zinx | you can't really |
| 20:15.38 | zinx | apart from putting the drive in another computer |
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| 20:16.10 | krekon | look this maxtor is 120 and works fine in an older computer than this |
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| 20:16.27 | zinx | then it's probably something wrong w/ the cable/motherboard/power supply |
| 20:17.04 | krekon | cable no power no , motherboard? |
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| 20:17.16 | krekon | what conf on motherboard? |
| 20:17.24 | zinx | you should use 'auto' |
| 20:17.29 | zinx | for anything this side of the 90s |
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| 20:17.41 | krekon | I have change this in all ways |
| 20:17.47 | rbd__ | hi, I have some packages listing from apt-get as ""The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required" ...however I'd like to keep them and take them off the list of packages that would be removed if I ran apt-get autoremove ... how woudl I do this? |
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| 20:18.11 | zinx | please note that you may need an 80-conductor cable (though that shouldn't cause problems in the BIOS) |
| 20:18.18 | krekon | do you thing I could try bios update? |
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| 20:18.27 | zinx | and that the only way you can test the power supply is by using a different (known-good) power supply |
| 20:18.36 | zinx | also the same w/ the motherboard. |
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| 20:18.51 | zinx | krekon: you can definitely try |
| 20:19.01 | dmoerner | rbd__, aptitude keep-all |
| 20:19.09 | krekon | well the WD works fine so the power supply work fine |
| 20:19.16 | zinx | no |
| 20:19.32 | krekon | Y |
| 20:19.33 | zinx | hard drives have different power requirements, and spin-up is very power-hungry |
| 20:19.33 | krekon | ? |
| 20:20.08 | krekon | ok lets try |
| 20:20.12 | krekon | thanks alot |
| 20:20.29 | krekon | any other advice? |
| 20:20.40 | zinx | can't think of anything off the top of my head |
| 20:20.49 | krekon | ok thanks again |
| 20:21.10 | zinx | just make sure you check those things.. use 80 conductor cable, try with different power supply, you've already tried with a different motherboard.. |
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| 20:21.29 | Nikolay | I've trying debian netinstall with USB flash. I've done the following: http://dpaste.com/73438/ But I've got a "Boot error" when try to boot from this flash. What is wrong? |
| 20:21.33 | zinx | (well, you tried with different motherboard+power supply+possibly cable, but that at least means it could be motherboard if the other stuff works) |
| 20:22.16 | zinx | krekon: also remember that even if computers are 1s and 0s, they almost always do not fail that way.. they can be faulty and only fail in very specific cases |
| 20:22.50 | zinx | krekon: like, you could have one that only crashes when you touch it and turn around three times. but it's still faulty :D |
| 20:22.57 | blubberdiblub | krekon, does it happen to be an amibios? i have had bad experiences with them not wanting to boot hard drives |
| 20:23.25 | cloakable | ls |
| 20:23.48 | krekon | zinx also something weird. I said that the WD works fine for this pc.ok. But the WD does not work on the pc where the maxtor was before |
| 20:23.57 | krekon | well no it is not amibios |
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| 20:26.40 | blubberdiblub | krekon, i haven't followed the conversation, so i don't know if it was suggested before, but if you let it run as master without slave, make sure you put it at the end connector of the cable, not at the middle connector |
| 20:26.59 | nexxu | hello, does any1 around here use GNS3 ? pls reply if you do |
| 20:27.07 | krekon | I have also tried it |
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| 20:28.00 | blubberdiblub | and probably you should jumper it as master explicitly. some chipsets/motherboards don't like "cable select" |
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| 20:28.45 | blubberdiblub | cable select can also fail due to the used cable |
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| 20:29.30 | magentar | is there a way to send graphical notifiactions to users on a gnome desktop (like a graphical wall-command)? |
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| 20:30.50 | blubberdiblub | magentar: notify-send in the "libnotify-bin" package, for instance |
| 20:31.02 | magentar | thanks i'll give it a try |
| 20:33.18 | roxy_ | I'm running amd64, is it possible to install a 32 bit jvm using debian packages? (I need both 64 and 32 at the same time) |
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| 20:35.36 | krekon | blubberdiblub I can't find the cable selecte in bios |
| 20:36.01 | blubberdiblub | krekon, not in the bios. it's on a jumper array on the drive itself |
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| 20:36.37 | ZOP | krekon: then make sure it's set for single drive if ther's a jumper setting for that, it really sounds like a jumper setting issue to me. that or the drive is just plain bad. the other possibiity is your BIOS is old and th drive is too large for it to recognize. I've had problems with various IDE BIOS and cylinder mapping settings. |
| 20:36.51 | krekon | I have read that you can change th auto selection of cable |
| 20:37.28 | boulbul | Hi guys, what is the driver for wireless cardI need to use to run debian on a ibm x61 with kernel 2.6.22-2-686? |
| 20:37.40 | boulbul | thanks |
| 20:37.45 | ZOP | It's called Cable Select. And it only really works with two drives, make sure the drive is connected to the right port on the cable |
| 20:37.49 | ZOP | IDE drives are length sensitive |
| 20:38.12 | blubberdiblub | WD drives usually have a "single" jumper setting besides master and slave. maxtor drives usually only have the latter two |
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| 20:39.14 | blubberdiblub | whatever, i recommend against cable select. try setting single (or master, respectively) explicitly |
| 20:39.30 | blubberdiblub | it's worth a try, tho |
| 20:40.13 | krekon | the maxtor has also enable |
| 20:40.21 | krekon | but nothing changes |
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| 20:40.26 | blubberdiblub | enable what? |
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| 20:41.51 | blubberdiblub | krekon: here is a jumper description for maxtor drives: http://eshop.macsales.com/Tech/manuals/idehdsettings/Maxtor72.pdf |
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| 20:42.52 | blubberdiblub | it might differ for your particular model, but it gives you an idea. your drive's settings are supposed to be printed on its label, tho |
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| 20:44.01 | whileimhere | Hi I am having some issues with a locale in apt-get, synaptic, or aptitude. It just freezes when it attempts to install the AF local. Apparently it was an auto selected package when I opted to install Openoffice.org to my XFCE setup. |
| 20:44.42 | zinx | "the AF local"? |
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| 20:45.35 | whileimhere | Yeah I get this message and then it freezes: Setting up language-pack-af-base (1:7.10+20080205) ... Generating locales... af_ZA.UTF-8... |
| 20:45.45 | zinx | ah |
| 20:45.50 | zinx | it may take a while |
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| 20:45.58 | whileimhere | 4 hours? |
| 20:46.03 | zinx | but it shouldn't be frozen unless your hard drive is having issues (which you can check with dmesg) |
| 20:46.16 | zinx | it shouldn't take 4 hours unless you have a whole lot installed :P |
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| 20:46.20 | whileimhere | Zinx same thing happens on two other comps. |
| 20:46.37 | zinx | whileimhere: definitely shouldn't freeze |
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| 20:47.58 | whileimhere | So I am just stuck right now. |
| 20:48.14 | whileimhere | It wont let me purge or do anything until that dpkg --configure -a command is run. |
| 20:48.29 | gpm | hey guys, i want to install from the network but my network driver isn't in the kernel...am i going to have to install from a CD? |
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| 20:48.48 | gpm | it's not a module either :( |
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| 20:52.05 | mmlj4 | whileimhere: by all means, avoid running that command |
| 20:52.19 | mmlj4 | </sarasm> |
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| 20:56.00 | nexxu | gpm I had the same problem .. installing from the cd may help but you have to download maybe all the cds because debian seems to be messed up and you cannot find a single cd with which you can compile a kernel ffs .. I solved my problem by compiling the kernel on another debian and booting that one .. what driver do you use ? sky2 with marvell yukon ? :) |
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| 21:07.13 | JThundley | did something happen recently with nfs or something |
| 21:07.40 | JThundley | last week I noticed I couldn't write to my normal nfs shares from my two debian testing machines |
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| 21:23.16 | screamingbytes | evenin all |
| 21:23.19 | Nyle | !zend |
| 21:23.19 | dpkg | zend is, like, the PHP4 engine, dual-licensed under the PHP-license and the MPL (i think) |
| 21:24.01 | screamingbytes | well i just did the security updates that were available, 1 included a kernel, no my XFCE4 is puking, anyone else experiencing this? |
| 21:24.14 | dmoerner | screamingbytes: what does "puking" mean in this case |
| 21:25.00 | screamingbytes | dmoerner: My Xrce4 menu is gone, my bg is gone, my menu's are gone, and apps other than terminal don't start |
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| 21:25.13 | screamingbytes | dmoerner: sorry for the vague description |
| 21:26.01 | phlux | Every time I use apt-get on my wife's computer, it tried to configure bcm43xx-fwcutter (which failed earlier, but I did it manually) |
| 21:26.05 | phlux | How can I fix this issue? |
| 21:27.07 | phlux | I just want it to leave bcm43xx-fwcutter alone |
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| 21:31.11 | screamingbytes | phlux : abrotman and others know the other paths to apt usage, I would do a grep or find . in /usr for apt packages to be installed and delete them |
| 21:31.53 | phlux | meh, I just purged it and reinstalled |
| 21:31.56 | screamingbytes | phlux: unfortunately im still learning apt, so im not sure where it stored the list of apts to be installed |
| 21:32.24 | screamingbytes | ok |
| 21:32.30 | screamingbytes | so your problem is solved ? |
| 21:32.45 | MuffinFlavored | I want to install Debian on my PS3. Is this what I want to do: get Debian PowerPC ISO, place otheros.bld in the correct position, and make a bootable ISO>? |
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| 21:33.27 | screamingbytes | MuffinFlavored: lol, i have no idea |
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| 21:33.45 | screamingbytes | MuffingFlavored: Xbox is all ive messed with |
| 21:34.02 | screamingbytes | MuffinFlavored: no websites? |
| 21:34.08 | Kumool | well it is ppc... |
| 21:35.37 | MuffinFlavored | Eh. Like, I thought PSUbuntu would be something like Ubuntu, where every thing is done for you and you are ready to go. |
| 21:35.39 | MuffinFlavored | But, no WiFi. |
| 21:35.57 | MuffinFlavored | Yellow Dog Linux is the only distrobution that comes with WiFi support built in, and it is only available in DVD form. |
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| 21:36.51 | MuffinFlavored | Somehow, I plugged my USB flash drive into the USB port of the PS3, and I am telnetted into the PS3. But, kexec'ing into the vmlinuz kernel found on the Debian PPC ISO just timed out. |
| 21:37.04 | simonrvn | "distribution" |
| 21:37.10 | MuffinFlavored | Sorry. |
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| 21:37.17 | dashs | How do I back out the libxml2 which was promulgated this morning? |
| 21:37.19 | simonrvn | np, common error |
| 21:37.51 | MuffinFlavored | Is "/install/yaboot" the kernel that is booted on the PPC ISO? |
| 21:38.02 | MuffinFlavored | Or any Debian ISO for that matter. |
| 21:38.12 | simonrvn | ps3 support is preliminary, afaik. #debianppc /topic on oftc speak of who's working on it *checks* |
| 21:38.28 | simonrvn | arthur and ag- are working on official PS3/Cell support... |
| 21:39.01 | simonrvn | hm |
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| 21:39.18 | simonrvn | dashs: why? |
| 21:40.02 | dashs | simonrvn: gdm greeter is failing |
| 21:40.15 | newsense | if i had a 4gig usb drive to backup my ps3 id put linux on it |
| 21:40.25 | simonrvn | MuffinFlavored: you can get the hd-media install going. you'll need an iso, and the hd-media initrd, kernel |
| 21:40.39 | newsense | got my debian ps3 disk burnt already :-) |
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| 21:41.54 | simonrvn | dashs: filed a bug/went to see BTS? |
| 21:43.17 | dashs | simonrvn: have no idea how to do that. |
| 21:43.28 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 21:43.28 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 21:43.38 | simonrvn | that's how ^^^ |
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| 21:47.23 | phlux | anyone recommend any programs for DVD burning? |
| 21:47.26 | phlux | Want to burn this AVI file |
| 21:47.44 | simonrvn | brasero, k3b |
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| 21:48.01 | nexxu | phlux k3b, cdrecord, gravecd |
| 21:48.03 | phlux | love k3b, but don't want anything to do with KDE or its libs |
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| 21:52.29 | yziquel | dmoerner: some weird update on my packaging issue. |
| 21:52.42 | yziquel | dmoerner: i did dpatch apply-all |
| 21:52.45 | tremby | i have two X displays, :0 and :0.1. anyone know of a command which can give a certain display input focus? |
| 21:53.01 | yziquel | dmoerner: this was fine. my modifications were in. |
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| 21:53.34 | yziquel | dmoerner: then i did pbuilder build, and my patch wasn't inside the produced packages... |
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| 21:54.14 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 21:54.28 | yziquel | i really do not understand what's going on with this... |
| 21:55.49 | yziquel | anyone knows why pbuilder build would discard patches that were previously applied? |
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| 22:03.58 | dashs | simonrvn: how do I know exactly what versio of libxml2 is installed? |
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| 22:04.16 | simonrvn | !version |
| 22:04.17 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
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| 22:04.56 | phlux | Unknown encoder 'mpeg2video' |
| 22:05.01 | phlux | any idea how to install mpeg2video? |
| 22:05.32 | streuner | !find mpeg2video |
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| 22:06.01 | phlux | heh |
| 22:06.02 | enouf | dpkg version is also Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 22:06.03 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
| 22:06.35 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mpeg2video' returned no results. |
| 22:07.07 | streuner | phlux: what kind of command did you use? |
| 22:07.22 | enouf | phlux: growisofs and dd |
| 22:07.45 | streuner | why dd? |
| 22:07.51 | phlux | ffmpeg -i file.avi -aspect 4:3 -target blah.mpg |
| 22:07.54 | streuner | dd should be installed, shouldn't it? |
| 22:08.24 | enouf | there are many other apps to help with trascoding, dvd* , transcode, avidemux, ffmpeg, etc |
| 22:08.24 | phlux | need to convert an avi to be able to burn it to a DVD |
| 22:08.26 | phlux | heh |
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| 22:08.40 | phlux | I used ffmpeg |
| 22:08.46 | phlux | and it needs mpeg2video |
| 22:08.50 | phlux | It just spit out that error |
| 22:08.53 | enouf | streuner: well, dd for just straight copying |
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| 22:09.35 | enouf | phlux: i've used mencoder to convert mp4 to mpeg2 |
| 22:09.36 | dashs | simonrvn: looks like same as 496125 |
| 22:10.06 | enouf | phlux: do you have ffmpeg-free version? how about dmm repos? |
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| 22:10.17 | streuner | coreutils: /bin/dd |
| 22:10.25 | streuner | Essential: yes |
| 22:11.29 | enouf | streuner: basically, growisofs calls and uses dd ala; Executing 'builtin_dd if=/mnt/p3/home/distro/knoppix/5.x/KNOPPIX_V5.1.1DVD-2007-01-04-EN.iso of=/dev/hdd obs=32k seek=0' |
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| 22:12.16 | enouf | sudo growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /path/to/iso |
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| 22:13.36 | screamingbytes | anyone know what the Xfce4 main menu is called? |
| 22:14.58 | enouf | follow the links from /msg dpkg xwinman |
| 22:15.13 | enouf | or try ##linux |
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| 22:17.01 | phlux | enouf, I have no dmm, and no idea if its ffmpeg-free |
| 22:17.30 | tremby | anyone know how to give a specific X display input focus? |
| 22:18.00 | beardy | chvt? |
| 22:18.02 | simonrvn | dashs: so wait for the new version to come in. this is etch, right? should be in soon, since it fixes a security update. |
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| 22:20.07 | screamingbytes | bbiab, still trying to fix XFCE4, hopefully someone that uses it will be here when i get back :) |
| 22:20.39 | phlux | !non-free |
| 22:20.39 | dpkg | non-free is, like, a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 22:22.34 | Benalex | Hello all ... I am traying to start Debian installation from Harddisk... and as described in the manual "Download hd-media/initrd.gz, hd-media/vmlinuz, and a Debian CD image to the top-level directory of the hard disk" |
| 22:22.48 | phlux | I have non-free sources, enouf |
| 22:22.49 | Benalex | From Where can I get those files |
| 22:23.00 | Benalex | ? |
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| 22:23.31 | enouf | phlux: dpkg -l ffmpeg* | grep ^.i |
| 22:23.46 | enouf | !tell phlux -about dmm |
| 22:23.55 | phlux | ii ffmpeg 0.svn20080206-11 multimedia player, server and encoder |
| 22:24.08 | enouf | phlux: are you using etch? /msg dpkg dmme |
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| 22:24.19 | phlux | No, Lenny |
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| 22:25.36 | dashs | simonrvn: here's hoping.. |
| 22:25.42 | enouf | mpeg2dec - Simple libmpeg2 video decoder application |
| 22:25.55 | enouf | mpegdemux - MPEG1/2 system stream demultiplexer |
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| 22:26.36 | enouf | are you running ubuntu? |
| 22:26.54 | bolt | damn you all! |
| 22:27.00 | bolt | i keep typing debiantart.com |
| 22:27.33 | enouf | they had serious bugs with missing libs for certain ffmpeg functions, there was a special pkg ou had to install .. anyways; "apt-cache search mpeg | grep video" |
| 22:27.33 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1182753 |
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| 22:31.45 | phlux | enouf, installing dmm's version of ffmpeg works. Thanks :) |
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| 22:34.44 | phlux | Meh\ |
| 22:34.50 | phlux | going from etch to lenny never works right |
| 22:35.02 | zinx | maybe if you followed the guide? |
| 22:35.18 | enouf | phlux: ;-) |
| 22:35.18 | Jorophose | Hi, is it possible to add in extra directories to the netinstall CD without having it mess up the installer? |
| 22:35.36 | enouf | !custom cd |
| 22:35.36 | dpkg | well, custom cd is So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian | #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net http://lists.debian.org/debian-custom/ |
| 22:36.00 | phlux | zinx, I have twice. |
| 22:36.03 | Jorophose | It's not so much a custom CD as it is I was hoping to back up my /home on the installation media... |
| 22:36.07 | phlux | And in both instances, have had to change scripts |
| 22:36.14 | phlux | I've managed to get it working |
| 22:36.16 | phlux | but not easily |
| 22:36.38 | zinx | well, i guess that's a good reason for it to still be 'testing' :x |
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| 22:43.51 | neonlightning | + |
| 22:44.01 | neonlightning | sry dropped the keyboard |
| 22:44.19 | phlux | well the issue I'm having right now is that docbook-xml keeps trying to add entities that are already added |
| 22:44.28 | phlux | it's making me quite mad |
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| 22:49.53 | det | Is there a Debian approved license for content for a game? CC-BY is considered non-free? |
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| 22:50.22 | zoquete | I have installed wine |
| 22:50.26 | Jorophose | can't a directory be burnt alongside an ISO though? |
| 22:50.36 | zoquete | how can I run pushover please? |
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| 22:51.39 | Soskel | hi |
| 22:51.59 | Soskel | I have lightspeed now, can I change to apache without deleting my /var/www dir? |
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| 22:54.23 | Soskel | heello? |
| 22:54.40 | Kumool | ? u in a hurry? |
| 22:55.26 | Sling | Soskel : sure you can, just a matter of pointing apache to the right DocumentRoot |
| 22:55.34 | Sling | /var/www could be served by 10 httpd's if you wish |
| 22:56.01 | zinx | det: check the DFSG |
| 22:56.11 | Soskel | but when I run it, it will overwrite the /var/www dir? |
| 22:56.14 | Kumool | Jorophose, an image is there for a reason... |
| 22:56.19 | Soskel | it as in apt-get install apache |
| 22:56.42 | zinx | det: but anything that can be legally distributed by debian (and anyone who downloads debian) can be put in non-free |
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| 22:57.17 | Jorophose | Kumool: What do you mean by that? Like edit the image to add in my directory? I'm just asking if it'll have any bad side effects... I just need to add something to the ISO as a backup, because only using 200MB of 700MB is a waste. =/ |
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| 22:58.57 | Kumool | well theres ECM which images contain which handles errors (which is on cd's) thats what i mean |
| 22:59.27 | Kumool | still as shinra says... im just a kid :) but do try it... i dont think it will mess it up |
| 22:59.39 | zinx | Kumool: eh, .iso doesn't have any of that |
| 22:59.53 | zinx | .iso is not designed to be written to, though |
| 23:00.20 | Kumool | :( |
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| 23:01.02 | zinx | Jorophose: is this a burned disc, or just an image of a disc? |
| 23:01.19 | Kumool | O_o forgot that was on .bin's hehe |
| 23:01.49 | Kumool | who would try that on a burned disk? nobody can be that insane |
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| 23:01.59 | Kumool | unless its rw |
| 23:02.11 | zinx | Kumool: you can do it if it was created as a multi-session disc and not finalized |
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| 23:02.29 | Jorophose | It's an image to be burnt to disc. |
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| 23:02.39 | zinx | Jorophose: ok, just extract it and build a new image |
| 23:03.06 | Jorophose | Hm, for extraction can you just loop mount? And what's the build ISO tool? Isn't it mkisosf or something? |
| 23:03.20 | Kumool | brasero brasero :) |
| 23:03.21 | zinx | Jorophose: you can just loop mount and cp -a or tar |
| 23:03.37 | zinx | Jorophose: genisoimage in recent debian |
| 23:03.42 | benjamindees | yeah you can 'cp -a' all the files on the image and create a new .iso; worst case is it doesn't boot (as well or at all). |
| 23:03.45 | Jorophose | Can't get brasero; using Xubuntu 6.06 :( |
| 23:04.09 | zinx | also note that ubuntu isn't debian, so our debian answers may not work |
| 23:04.19 | Jorophose | I really need this to work though, something that would give me as good as a chance of working. |
| 23:04.27 | Jorophose | Well, your debian answers are better than nothing. |
| 23:04.47 | zinx | in debian, you'd loop mount and copy the data to a staging area, copy the new data in, then make a new image with genisoimage |
| 23:04.49 | MarGarina | Jorophose: you build ISOs using mkisofs, true. |
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| 23:05.24 | Jorophose | Wait, has mkisofs turned into genisoimage? Or are they two unrelated projects? Because I've heard of both, and it feels very redundant. |
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| 23:05.36 | benjamindees | Jorophose, then use the same program (version) and options as those used to master the original .iso |
| 23:05.58 | zinx | Jorophose: it's a fork, i think |
| 23:06.04 | MarGarina | no no |
| 23:06.12 | MarGarina | apt-cache search mkisofs: mkisofs - Dummy transition package for genisoimage |
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| 23:06.21 | Jorophose | Well, does anybody know what tools are used for the debian lenny installers? |
| 23:06.59 | zinx | Jorophose: genisoimage at some point, no doubt.. there's some extra stuff to worry about doing install cds, though |
| 23:07.24 | zinx | Jorophose: "debian-cd" looks like the package |
| 23:07.59 | Jorophose | Hmm, I guess I better not mess with it. But I was hoping you could add the two together on the disc, I guess not though considering ISO is not like mp3... =/ |
| 23:08.08 | zinx | Jorophose: and it does indeed depend on genisoimage |
| 23:08.17 | zinx | Jorophose: no, not that easily |
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| 23:08.58 | Jorophose | Would anybody know if the gnome components in the xfce discs are easily removable? Does debian have the same problem ubuntu seems to have, that it removes the entire metapackage for the CD? |
| 23:09.46 | Jorophose | Well actually |
| 23:09.47 | Jorophose | hm |
| 23:10.03 | Jorophose | if I used GDM would the gnome libs be in constant use, like even after I logged in and stuff? |
| 23:10.23 | boulbul | hi, I have my root partition %100 full. In my boot partition I have many kernels and I am a bit worried to remove somethings manually, cause I can not do it via dpkg or apt |
| 23:10.46 | boulbul | I have some files with bak extension, would it be fine to move them? |
| 23:10.58 | MarGarina | boulbul: why you cannot remove via dpkg? |
| 23:11.14 | zinx | Jorophose: Debian is 5 DVDs. |
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| 23:11.38 | zinx | Jorophose: the recommended way to install Debian is from a network install CD, so you don't end up downloading 5 DVDs worth of junk you don't need. |
| 23:11.44 | MarGarina | boulbul: try dpkg -S /path/of/bak-file - if it doesn't belong to any package, you can rm it.. |
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| 23:12.15 | boulbul | MarGarina: cause when I do it ask me to run dpkg-reconfigure -a...and when I do that the end of the process I get a message to say no space left |
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| 23:12.22 | boulbul | I am going in circles/ |
| 23:12.43 | benjamindees | Jorophose, they would get swapped out probably but yes |
| 23:13.38 | MarGarina | boulbul: ah, evil :) worst case, you can temporarily move the kernels that you don't use to another disk... then bring them back after you're fine. |
| 23:13.58 | MarGarina | but .bak files sound pretty safe to me. |
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| 23:14.23 | boulbul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:14.25 | Jorophose | Well, there's an xfce disc, so I'm assuming that I can just install that and not install the rest of the CDs? I hear that's the "newbie" way to install Debian with Gnome, just use CD1... |
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| 23:18.26 | Soskel | http://pastebin.com/m7661365e any ideas? thanks |
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| 23:19.54 | benjamindees | is there any package that includes an easy rescue ramdisk type thingy that can be added to grub? |
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| 23:20.51 | benjamindees | by 'easy' I just mean pre-made... |
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| 23:22.39 | benjamindees | I suppose there's probably an installer image that does that |
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| 23:29.02 | Jorophose | To the more debian-expert-types: With testing, is the only real instability related to like an app occasionally crashing, and like stuff sometimes not working? Just out of curiosity. |
| 23:29.14 | zinx | no |
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| 23:29.27 | Jorophose | zinx: mind explaining? |
| 23:29.29 | zinx | stable/testing/unstable are about packages, not about the apps in the packages |
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| 23:34.58 | tremby | i have two X displays, :0 and :0.1. anyone know of a command which can give a certain display input focus? |
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| 23:36.47 | benjamindees | chvt |
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| 23:36.56 | benjamindees | er |
| 23:37.31 | benjamindees | that is, if you know which virtual terminal corresponds with each |
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| 23:40.21 | zinx | benjamindees: they're both on the same vt |
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| 23:41.04 | boulbul | Hi again, |
| 23:41.29 | boulbul | I have now enough space on my root partition... but have another problem ! |
| 23:43.10 | benjamindees | so, um, what do I need to do with the boot.img.gz file for the hard drive installer? |
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| 23:43.32 | boulbul | I have installed the firmware for The iwlwifi driver... I rebooted my computer and started using kernel 2.6.22-2-686...but does not work |
| 23:43.44 | boulbul | can anyone help me with this please |
| 23:44.03 | zinx | boulbul: which wireless card? |
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| 23:44.19 | benjamindees | does it need it's own partition? |
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| 23:44.34 | jpinx | Anyone help me force mount a usb stick rw ? It's automounting as ro and -o mount,rw,force isn't working. |
| 23:44.44 | zinx | benjamindees: check the install guide |
| 23:44.52 | alphaman1101 | What is the "shell" for debian etch? /bin/bash ? Im trying to setup the proftpd administrator and it want to know |
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| 23:45.17 | benjamindees | alphaman1101, yeah |
| 23:45.29 | zinx | jpinx: what filesystem is on it? if it's fat it should be mounting rw by default.. check dmesg or other messages to find out why it's not first |
| 23:45.53 | zinx | jpinx: if it's ntfs, you need to use ntfs-3g, but note that some users have reported corrupted files with it |
| 23:45.58 | boulbul | Zinx: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG |
| 23:46.06 | zinx | boulbul: you may need a newer kernel |
| 23:46.19 | zinx | boulbul: does iwconfig list any cards? |
| 23:46.20 | benjamindees | alphaman1101, that's default unless it's been changed; type help|head to find out |
| 23:46.58 | jpinx | zinx: it's showing various errors "invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) |
| 23:47.44 | boulbul | zinx: right now, I am using ipw driver and it works fine with kernel -2.6.18-4-686 ....but does not work with kernel 2.6.22-2-686 |
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| 23:47.54 | zinx | jpinx: is it an mp3 player? |
| 23:48.08 | jpinx | zinx: no - just a memory stick |
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| 23:48.34 | MarGarina | boulbul: when you load the module, do you see anything interesting in /var/log/messages? |
| 23:48.37 | jpinx | zinx: shows as vfat filesystem |
| 23:48.51 | zinx | jpinx: does it work in other machines? |
| 23:49.18 | zinx | jpinx: you can try running fsck.vfat on it.. but it may damage it :x |
| 23:49.19 | boulbul | zinx: So, MarGarina: modprobe iwl3945 show: FATAL: Module iwl3945 not found. |
| 23:49.33 | alphaman1101 | the site said nothing about these settings. what is ftpwho and where can i find it? |
| 23:49.38 | jpinx | zinx: I don;t have a windows machine ;) |
| 23:49.46 | zinx | jpinx: do dd if=/dev/sdXX of=backup_image.img before altering the filesystem |
| 23:49.47 | alphaman1101 | it gives /usr/local/bin/ftpwho as default and says it cant be found |
| 23:49.55 | zinx | jpinx: also, if that fails.. the flash drive is probably failing |
| 23:50.00 | zinx | jpinx: or the USB connection is bad |
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| 23:50.10 | jpinx | zinx: ok - and how do I recover it if it gats hosed? |
| 23:50.11 | zinx | (or whatever it is) |
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| 23:50.34 | zinx | jpinx: if the copy doesn't fail - dd if=backup_image.img of=/dev/sdXX (be very careful with this one) |
| 23:51.28 | jpinx | zinx: ok - will be careful - thanks - though I might go next door and plug it into a Windoze 2000 machine ;) |
| 23:51.36 | coldstea1 | hello, I'm confused because I just downloaded and burned lenny net install and now I have Gnome and all this stuff installed I thought this was supposed to be minimal install was there a specific option I was supposed to choose just for cli access ? |
| 23:51.41 | benjamindees | zinx, none of the intstall guides seem to mention the boot.img.gz file. perhaps it's not necessary? |
| 23:51.46 | boulbul | MarGarina: I can not see anything related to the wlan on /var/log/messages |
| 23:51.49 | MarGarina | boulbul: you said it's IPW before.. |
| 23:52.04 | zinx | boulbul: the iwlwifi drivers weren't added until 2.6.22, the driver may be broken in that version, but check 'dmesg' after trying to load the module |
| 23:52.04 | Zambezi | coldstea1: It is, if you choose not to install DE. |
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| 23:52.05 | MarGarina | now you say it's iwl |
| 23:52.16 | alphaman1101 | oohhh where is the "Kernel configuration file:" |
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| 23:52.35 | MarGarina | nothing in dmesg should help cuz the iwl module file simply doesn't exist. |
| 23:52.40 | coldstea1 | Zambezi: Desktop? |
| 23:52.44 | zinx | MarGarina: iwl3945 does exist |
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| 23:52.58 | Zambezi | coldstea1: DE = Desktop Enviroment. |
| 23:53.08 | MarGarina | zinx: he wrote "FATAL: Module iwl3945 not found." |
| 23:53.08 | coldstea1 | okay thanks |
| 23:53.10 | Zambezi | coldstea1: So yes. DE is Gnome. |
| 23:53.20 | zinx | MarGarina: ah |
| 23:53.23 | boulbul | MarGarina: Ok. I am using ipw on kenel 2.6.18... but can not use it on kernel 2.6.22 , so I decided to install iwlwifi |
| 23:53.33 | Lord^Anubis | hmm, i use the iwl3945 driver..... |
| 23:53.41 | zinx | boulbul: you need to use a kernel with iwl3945 compiled in, Debian's kernels have it |
| 23:53.58 | zinx | (after 2.6.22, anyway, before that it was not in the mainline kernel) |
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| 23:54.00 | Lord^Anubis | debian's kernels have it after 2.6.23, i believe |
| 23:54.04 | zinx | Lord^Anubis: ah |
| 23:54.14 | Lord^Anubis | in and after |
| 23:54.18 | boulbul | zinx: I have installed it through synaptic...but still does not work |
| 23:54.18 | coldstea1 | Zambezi: is there a list of all the programs that selecting DE installs so I can remove them? |
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| 23:54.26 | zinx | boulbul: you need to update your kernel |
| 23:54.35 | boulbul | zinx: you mean upgrade? |
| 23:54.57 | boulbul | zinx: I have just updated the kernel |
| 23:55.05 | Lord^Anubis | it is possible to manually use the iwl3945 driver with an older debian kernel, but i would definitely recommend just updating the kernel |
| 23:55.09 | boulbul | zinx: but still no luck |
| 23:55.23 | Zambezi | coldstea1: That's like a couple of hundred packages. In your case, reinstall will be a quicker solution. |
| 23:55.46 | coldstea1 | okay thanks |
| 23:56.12 | Lord^Anubis | the iwl3945 driver works much better than the ipw3945 drivers, only problem is that your wireless led won't work unless you run fedora |
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| 23:56.37 | boulbul | zinx:MarGarina: Thanks .... I will try your advices and see what happen! |
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| 23:57.15 | Lord^Anubis | also, there are patches for the iwl3945 driver/latest debian kernel that support packet injection.... but i would be careful with that if you choose to use it |
| 23:58.06 | alphaman1101 | where is the kernel stored? |
| 23:58.20 | zinx | Lord^Anubis: really? 'cause the latest debian kernel doesn't even support sniffing from what i've seen, on iwl4965 |
| 23:58.43 | zinx | Lord^Anubis: i pulled the dev wireless branch and applied aircrack-ng's patches myself just to get monitoring |
| 23:58.50 | Lord^Anubis | zinx: i've installed an update for packet injection on my debian kernel for iwl3945 |
| 23:59.07 | zinx | Lord^Anubis: then.. that's not particularly stock :P |
| 23:59.27 | Lord^Anubis | zinx: mine worked great....but i was running debian sid/experimental.....and i reformatted and installed fedora several weeks ago |
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| 23:59.59 | zinx | Lord^Anubis: running sid here, 2.6.26 won't return any packets in monitor mode |
