| 00:00.12 | zinx | well, linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 00:00.52 | Lord^Anubis | zinx: strange.... its been a long time since i tried it so i can't remember, but its nice that red hat fixed the problem with the wireless LED if you're running fedora |
| 00:01.07 | benjamindees | anyone know if testing supports madwifi now? |
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| 00:01.43 | zinx | Lord^Anubis: i get the wireless LED in Debian now too, and a rfkill device for turning off wireless |
| 00:01.53 | Lord^Anubis | zinx: i haven't run debian in a few weeks....i'm tempted to use it again... |
| 00:01.56 | Lord^Anubis | zinx: oh, nice |
| 00:02.07 | benjamindees | nvm it's non-free still |
| 00:02.12 | zinx | Lord^Anubis: sadly lapsusd does not support turning off wireless via the wireless button yet :P |
| 00:02.25 | Lord^Anubis | zinx: i was using 2.6.25, i think.... with a cursed intel t2300 |
| 00:02.38 | zinx | and i've not found any gnome applets for rfkill class devices.. which seems rather sad, but totally gnome "zomg its 2 hard 4 our uzers" |
| 00:03.18 | Lord^Anubis | zinx: hmm, i usually just use knetwork manager... i was using kde4 before i reformatted lol |
| 00:03.34 | zinx | Lord^Anubis: i avoid all things Qt |
| 00:03.38 | Lord^Anubis | zinx: my kde 4 is much smoother on fedora than on debian.... |
| 00:03.43 | benjamindees | anyone know if the businesscard image includes parted? |
| 00:03.51 | zinx | Lord^Anubis: video drivers, probably |
| 00:03.51 | Lord^Anubis | of course, i let my system go for aa long time |
| 00:04.03 | zinx | benjamindees: it does not |
| 00:04.18 | zinx | benjamindees: i'm pretty sure the business card cd doesn't even include a base system |
| 00:04.29 | zinx | (downloads that from the internet) |
| 00:04.51 | Lord^Anubis | zinx: well, i had debian installed for about a year and a half, didn't update for 2 months while running lenny/sid... and my dependiencies were crazy after going to kde 4.... |
| 00:05.16 | zinx | Lord^Anubis: sid breaks stuff ;) |
| 00:05.24 | Lord^Anubis | zinx: and for the record, i'm never installing "experimental" video drivers again |
| 00:05.38 | zinx | experimental breaks everything ;) |
| 00:05.41 | Lord^Anubis | zinx: wireless cracking and linx were the only things i could use |
| 00:05.45 | Lord^Anubis | lol |
| 00:05.59 | Lord^Anubis | lynx* |
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| 00:15.54 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:17.56 | snappy | Is there a package i can apt-get that will install all the necessary tools & drivers for a debian kernel compilation? |
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| 00:18.10 | snappy | i thought kernel-package would suffice, but it doesn't appear that way. |
| 00:19.09 | feighm | snappy: did you use a netinstall? |
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| 00:19.48 | snappy | i didn't install the box, so i'm not sure how it was installed, i'm assuming netinstall, it'd debian 4.0 |
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| 00:21.03 | feighm | snappy: i dunno. you can try aptitude and check if gcc is included. |
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| 00:22.15 | feighm | snappy: oh yeah, there's an ncurses library you might need to include. not sure though. |
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| 00:23.39 | snappy | ah k, actually it's all good, i just realized the kernel has the driver i need, it was skge (i thought it'd be called sk98lin), so it seems like theres no need to recompile, woo. |
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| 00:29.17 | n3kl | Hey, what could I use to capitalize the first letter of each word in a string? Anyone have any creative regex that could accomplish this with sed or something? |
| 00:29.42 | tecywiz121 | hi :) I am wondering what packages from debian etch would I need to start a bare minimum X server? (on a side note the machine I am installing it on is networkless, ppc while I am 86_64) |
| 00:29.59 | n3kl | tecywiz121: xserver-xorg |
| 00:30.04 | n3kl | tecywiz121: that should do it |
| 00:30.27 | tecywiz121 | any easy way to fetch the dependencies and such? n3kl |
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| 00:34.10 | PumpkinPie | Hello :] |
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| 00:34.33 | g0rd0n | i upgraded the kernel on my machine yesterday, and there is still no DSA announcement, nor a changelog. http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-22etch2/changelog is 404 |
| 00:34.39 | g0rd0n | wtf |
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| 00:36.59 | jpinx | When I umount and change over my 2nd HDD in my laptop selectbay I can't mount the replaced HDD. fdisk -l shows it but file -s does not. Any ideas anyone? |
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| 00:44.25 | arj__ | good night to you all |
| 00:46.26 | flyback | is pondering giving up and going back on whatever meds they want him on and spend the rest of his life in a drugged up coma, the pain is just not worth it |
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| 00:49.28 | benjamindees | interesting, the debian installer is not able to resize (ext3) partitions when the beginning of the partition must be moved? |
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| 00:54.19 | Daemonik | Is there a way to keep two directories synchronized in real time over a network? |
| 00:55.03 | Daemonik | So if I were to write a file to one, it will be written to the remote filesystem as well |
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| 00:56.05 | benjamindees | use a distributed filesystem like AFS perhaps? |
| 00:56.49 | benjamindees | or make one the primary and mount the other remotely |
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| 00:57.44 | siimo | hi im running testing and when i run apt-get update i get an error about Unable to find expected entry control/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
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| 00:57.49 | siimo | whats up with this |
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| 01:03.24 | benjamindees | so is there a way to get parted running on the debian-installer? |
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| 01:14.21 | skyn3t | can anyone help me to solve this |
| 01:14.23 | skyn3t | http://pastebin.com/d3f22d650 |
| 01:15.07 | skyn3t | when i try to scp my other server i got this message |
| 01:18.35 | kd8ikt | ~/.ssh/known_hosts skyn3t |
| 01:18.41 | phlux | I removed my systray on Gnome.. can't figure out how to get it back |
| 01:20.05 | skyn3t | kd8ikt : thats it ? |
| 01:20.06 | sether_ | phlux: right-click your panel -> Add to panel... -> Notification Area |
| 01:20.08 | jtaji | skyn3t: have you recently regenerated the ssh host key on the server? also there was a vulnerability discovered with openssh a couple of months ago, the update would have caused the key to be renenerated |
| 01:20.31 | skyn3t | i did not |
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| 01:20.48 | skyn3t | i got a fresh install running in my server |
| 01:20.57 | skyn3t | maybe it is the prob |
| 01:20.58 | phlux | aces, thanks |
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| 01:22.47 | skyn3t | jtaji : and how i can fiz that |
| 01:22.55 | skyn3t | can you help me |
| 01:23.02 | kd8ikt | quickfix is to just delete known_hosts |
| 01:23.02 | jtaji | skyn3t: that would have also caused a new key to be generated, delete line 2 from /root/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 01:23.04 | skyn3t | fix* |
| 01:23.35 | kd8ikt | unless you really havent changed anything and someone is dns/arp poisoning you |
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| 01:26.01 | kd8ikt | i think |
| 01:26.15 | skyn3t | jtaji : do i need to re-start the ssh |
| 01:26.22 | skyn3t | line 2 deleted |
| 01:26.32 | jtaji | no |
| 01:26.50 | skyn3t | ok |
| 01:26.59 | skyn3t | let me try connect again |
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| 01:28.10 | skyn3t | same think |
| 01:28.18 | skyn3t | jtaji : same prob |
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| 01:29.13 | jtaji | strange, the error indicated line 2 but you could try deleting or moving the entire known_hosts file |
| 01:29.40 | jtaji | and you are still root? |
| 01:29.47 | skyn3t | yes |
| 01:30.01 | jtaji | only because that is the user's known host we are modifying |
| 01:30.35 | skyn3t | delete the line 1 too or delete the known_hosts file |
| 01:31.01 | jtaji | I'd try deleting or removing the whole file |
| 01:31.05 | jtaji | s/removing/moving |
| 01:31.21 | phlux | wtf |
| 01:31.23 | phlux | Nero for Linux? |
| 01:31.29 | phlux | and a .deb package |
| 01:31.34 | phlux | I gotta try before I buy... |
| 01:31.46 | jtaji | skyn3t: and we are modifying the known_hosts on the client, not the server, correct? |
| 01:31.56 | phlux | has anyone tried this? |
| 01:33.01 | skyn3t | same thing |
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| 01:34.26 | skyn3t | i'ma try to modify the server where i want to connect |
| 01:34.38 | skyn3t | ima root the server now |
| 01:34.40 | newsense | phlux: i thought about trying it |
| 01:34.45 | jtaji | skyn3t: no, need to remove the line on the client, not the server |
| 01:34.53 | skyn3t | ops |
| 01:34.55 | skyn3t | hang on |
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| 01:35.33 | phlux | newsense, using it...looks like its working great |
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| 01:35.54 | newsense | really is it free ? |
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| 01:36.12 | newsense | im gonna check it out myself |
| 01:37.11 | newsense | heh not free :-( |
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| 01:39.01 | masrawy | Hiya, I am trying to set /bin/false, and /usr/sbin/nologin for my shell to only allow ftp to it and not ssh access to a shell. |
| 01:39.27 | masrawy | But whenever I set it to /bin/bash it accepts my ftp connection, if I set it to false or nologin it won't let me in saying login incorrect. |
| 01:39.32 | masrawy | I am sure it worked with other servers before. |
| 01:39.52 | skyn3t | jtaji : thank you |
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| 01:40.00 | skyn3t | got that thing fixed |
| 01:40.03 | skyn3t | :)))) |
| 01:41.55 | garotosopa | Hi. aptitude search '~i' | wc -l tells me that there are 645 installed packages whereas aptitude interface shows (626) under Installed packages category. What could be the difference? |
| 01:42.19 | phlux | newsense, only $25.00 |
| 01:42.30 | phlux | I just wish it had some of the tools that the Windows version has.. |
| 01:42.34 | phlux | Namely Nero Vision |
| 01:42.38 | phlux | I can't live without that |
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| 01:44.14 | Guerin | wtf |
| 01:44.18 | spx2 | does anyone here use lint ? |
| 01:44.25 | Guerin | you can't live without some bit of budget proprietary shite? |
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| 01:44.47 | phlux | lol |
| 01:44.51 | phlux | I didn't ask for your opinion. |
| 01:44.55 | phlux | thanks. |
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| 01:45.08 | Guerin | you're in a public channel - no asking required |
| 01:45.23 | phlux | Alrighty |
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| 01:45.42 | phlux | Sue me for having more money than you :) |
| 01:45.45 | phlux | bbl. |
| 01:45.47 | Guerin | haha |
| 01:46.01 | newsense | haha |
| 01:46.26 | jtaji | no prob skyn3t |
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| 01:47.29 | shingen | phlux: there is nero linux |
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| 01:52.28 | Zambezi | shingen: There is or atleast was. |
| 01:52.52 | Zambezi | shingen: http://www.nero.com/eng/linux3.html |
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| 01:58.14 | siimo | did testing apt archive layout change recently? |
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| 02:08.36 | Joint | hey i have a question how come every time i restart i need to run alsaconf to have the sound back any ideas? |
| 02:09.32 | Joint | 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
| 02:09.42 | Guerin | because you haven't set up tour sound device properly |
| 02:09.50 | Joint | Guerin, i have |
| 02:10.01 | Guerin | evidently not, else it would work every time |
| 02:10.11 | Guerin | !alsa for idiots |
| 02:10.13 | Guerin | hm |
| 02:10.24 | Guerin | !alsa for morons |
| 02:10.30 | Guerin | <sigh> |
| 02:10.53 | Guerin | the anti-oiffense brigade has deleted the factoid I made for myself to remind me how to do it |
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| 02:11.24 | Joint | hmmm |
| 02:11.51 | Guerin | but the basic deal is to list your alsa module in /etc/modules, and blacklist any other sound modules |
| 02:12.19 | Joint | for my sound card what module name is it? |
| 02:12.32 | Guerin | lsmod |grep snd should give you a big list |
| 02:12.48 | Joint | Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]... |
| 02:12.48 | Joint | Try `grep --help' for more information. |
| 02:13.01 | Guerin | ? |
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| 02:13.14 | Joint | that's what Ive got |
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| 02:13.24 | Guerin | then you didn't type what I said |
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| 02:14.36 | PhrkOnLsh | Hi, I just did and apt-get dist-upgrade and dpkg is now spitting a ton of dependancy errors at me, which it cannot resolve |
| 02:14.53 | PhrkOnLsh | I can't get rid of them with apt-get remove, and dpkg --configure -a doesn't work |
| 02:15.03 | PhrkOnLsh | Can anyone give me a hand |
| 02:15.12 | Guerin | PhrkOnLsh: congratulations, you're using sid (or testing) |
| 02:15.26 | Guerin | PhrkOnLsh: for one thing, use aptitude |
| 02:16.03 | Guerin | PhrkOnLsh: post the full output of aptitude -f install; to paster |
| 02:16.05 | PhrkOnLsh | Guerin: I use etch |
| 02:16.44 | flyback | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-287584682439049785&ei=1MOwSInlM4qUrgKqtrTxDA&q=family+guy+british+porn&vt=lf&hl=en <-- british porn hahahaha |
| 02:16.52 | Guerin | PhrkOnLsh: then post the full output of apt-cache policy; and the contents of your sources.list to paster as well |
| 02:16.57 | Guerin | !ops flyback |
| 02:16.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: flyback |
| 02:17.41 | PhrkOnLsh | http://pastebin.ca/1182882 <-- Guerin apttiude -f install |
| 02:17.52 | PhrkOnLsh | flyback: How have you been? how is #hackndev? |
| 02:18.22 | PhrkOnLsh | er I run lenny actually, not etch :] |
| 02:18.30 | Guerin | PhrkOnLsh: W: Could not lock the cache file; <-- kill whatever process is using apt already |
| 02:18.30 | dread | anyone here use awesome for their wm? I need some help with rules |
| 02:18.43 | Guerin | PhrkOnLsh: right. Testing. |
| 02:18.45 | PhrkOnLsh | http://pastebin.ca/1182884 <-- policy |
| 02:19.48 | PhrkOnLsh | Guerin: no process is using apt imo |
| 02:20.14 | Guerin | PhrkOnLsh: your opinion is irrelevant. Apt's opinion is. Apt thinks something is using its database. Find out what and kill it. |
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| 02:25.57 | gnittor | PhrkOnLsh, i think this will helphttp://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg96146.html |
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| 02:27.05 | PhrkOnLsh | Guerin: lsof says nothing about any apt or dpkg files open... |
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| 02:27.19 | PhrkOnLsh | ps aux says no apt or dpkg process is running |
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| 02:29.12 | PhrkOnLsh | gnittor: nop |
| 02:29.31 | gnittor | :S |
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| 02:34.39 | PhrkOnLsh | OH |
| 02:34.45 | PhrkOnLsh | my / is ful! |
| 02:34.48 | PhrkOnLsh | full! |
| 02:34.55 | PhrkOnLsh | sh*t |
| 02:36.00 | PhrkOnLsh | well, that's troublesom |
| 02:36.13 | PhrkOnLsh | rebooting to gparted... bbbl |
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| 02:38.21 | Benalex | Hello all.. I just installed Debian on my Dell Optiplex 755 Desktop PC... and the network adapter driver isn't installed... though it is supported by the current debian release ...any ideas? |
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| 02:42.00 | ex_pakalolo | Benalex try lspci -v |
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| 02:43.09 | Benalex | ex_pakalolo, you want the whole output? |
| 02:43.40 | Benalex | wooow |
| 02:43.44 | jeffspeff | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:47.39 | Ian_Daniher | anyone know how I can get arguments into a makefile? |
| 02:47.50 | Ian_Daniher | make $foo |
| 02:48.14 | Ian_Daniher | and have it be the same as if I edited the makefile to say $(TARGET)=FOO or whatever |
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| 02:55.09 | Nyle | !cron |
| 02:55.10 | dpkg | cron is, like, a daemon that allows programs to be run at predefined intervals as specific users. To read how to specify a job to run "man 5 crontab". To see your crontab "crontab -l". To edit it "crontab -e". System wide crontabs are /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d, and /etc/cron.* are directories have run-parts called on them from /etc/crontab. Also ask me about <crontab> <cron tutorial> and <run-parts>. |
| 02:55.33 | Xenguy | !fsck |
| 02:55.33 | dpkg | i guess fsck is a file system integrity checker, or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck |
| 02:55.42 | Nyle | !fuck |
| 02:55.42 | dpkg | i guess fuck is cool |
| 02:55.45 | Nyle | yay! |
| 02:55.55 | Xenguy | thumbs up |
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| 03:02.14 | flyback | back in 10-15 mins |
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| 03:06.08 | jpinx | I've installed virtualbox and I get to create a virtualserver, but it asks me for virtualbox-ose-modules, but apt-get tells me it has no installation candidate. Any ideas anyone? |
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| 03:08.22 | jpinx | Hmm -- must be the weekend. |
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| 03:20.08 | Nyle | hi |
| 03:20.19 | wally1337 | gday |
| 03:20.30 | wally1337 | whats cracking |
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| 03:24.48 | Lethargik | anybody here user courier-imap package? |
| 03:25.01 | Lethargik | err use the couerier-imap package |
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| 03:26.29 | xoz_ | scala |
| 03:26.50 | ahmos_ | hi, i can't find the stereo mixer option in audacity |
| 03:27.21 | wally1337 | i cant find my penis.. |
| 03:27.32 | ahlfors | has it, don't worry |
| 03:28.03 | wally1337 | my penis or the stereo mixer? |
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| 03:28.26 | dmoerner | !ot |
| 03:28.27 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 03:30.12 | ahlfors | What is the relationship between xscreensaver and kscreensaver? Which one should display the pwd dialog when I move the mouse after the SS engages? |
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| 03:34.07 | elusive_ | hi im having trouble tryin to upgrade my kernel and getting a wifi nic to work cans omeone possibly link me to a tutorial perhaps ? |
| 03:34.24 | dmoerner | elusive_: what kernel are you trying to upgrade to and with what hardware |
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| 03:34.45 | elusive_ | 01:09.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03) |
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| 03:35.05 | elusive_ | and i have 2.6.18-6-686 now tryin to get to 2.6.24 |
| 03:35.22 | elusive_ | i read the 2.6.2x kernel has better methods for supporting the wifi nic |
| 03:35.35 | elusive_ | but i get a error on make menuconfig .. |
| 03:37.01 | binarymutant | does anyone know how I can get the themes on Music On Console to stay after i close it? I haven't been able to find a configuration file or anything |
| 03:37.32 | Lethargik | what is the dpkg command to reconfigure a package? |
| 03:37.51 | binarymutant | Lethargik: dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 03:40.33 | binarymutant | okay I found the config for mocp but how do I get the themes to stay after closing it, there isn't an option for theme |
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| 03:43.41 | elusive_ | hm |
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| 03:53.09 | dbmoodbasdf | hi there in using lenny and just recently my use of the application run dialogue (alt f2) just opens that dialogue up for second then closes it. is this a bug -- i check the reports and didn't find anything using a different user did not solve it. i take it i should file a bug report then ? |
| 03:53.14 | newsense | got some opengl screensavers and when i choose one i get no preview and it does not load, thinking i might be missing some libs |
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| 03:59.18 | \3TATUK | !beetcplech |
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| 04:00.13 | \3TATUK | !bootsplash |
| 04:00.13 | dpkg | [bootsplash] http://www.bootsplash.org/ see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot, or superseded by <splashy> |
| 04:00.20 | \3TATUK | !gensplash |
| 04:00.20 | dpkg | well, gensplash is a total re-write of the bootsplash project see: http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/projects/gensplash/ |
| 04:00.44 | \3TATUK | !splashy |
| 04:00.44 | dpkg | i guess splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in unstable but works in sarge all right. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ and backported pacakges for sarge are available here: http://layer-acht.org/splashy/ |
| 04:00.45 | dbmoodbasdf | \3TATUK: ? what do you know to know please message the bot if you are going to use it in such a manner. |
| 04:00.57 | dbmoodbasdf | \3TATUK: want do you want to know* |
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| 04:03.42 | \3TATUK | !stfu? |
| 04:03.42 | dpkg | it has been said that stfu is Shut The Fuck Up |
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| 04:05.59 | \3TATUK | !usplash |
| 04:06.10 | tvl | is there some way to upgrade my ubuntu system to debian without reinstalling the whole system from a livecd? |
| 04:06.33 | dmoerner | tvl: no. |
| 04:06.40 | dbmoodbasdf | what ? no ... debian and ubuntu are some what different |
| 04:06.48 | dmoerner | tvl: and you don't use a livecd to install debian |
| 04:07.20 | dbmoodbasdf | tvl: you might be able to use some debian repositories or ubuntu debianised though. (to supplement your existing ubuntu install). |
| 04:07.32 | tvl | k |
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| 04:08.35 | \3TATUK | tvl: Why did you even get the notion of doing that? |
| 04:09.17 | elusive_ | i used a netinstall disk |
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| 04:09.29 | elusive_ | and i cannot get my wireless nic working nor get kernel updated |
| 04:09.33 | tvl | \3TATUK: their packages seem mostly compatible |
| 04:10.04 | joneal | hi |
| 04:10.07 | dbmoodbasdf | \3TATUK: if you are just going to annoy people please leave now. |
| 04:10.12 | \3TATUK | tvl: No, I mean what made you interested in such a posibility? |
| 04:10.49 | \3TATUK | !stfu > dbmoodbasdf |
| 04:10.49 | dpkg | SHUT THE FUCK UP > dbmoodbasdf! |
| 04:11.13 | joneal | hi |
| 04:11.18 | tvl | installing debian on my laptop was a giant pain in the ass, and i don't particularly want to repeat the experience with my desktop |
| 04:11.33 | phlux | ? |
| 04:11.41 | phlux | You need ##Windows. |
| 04:11.47 | \3TATUK | tvl: Ah, so you already have experience with Debian and would prefer to use it? |
| 04:11.51 | elusive_ | wtf is kernel-packageconfig for |
| 04:11.56 | elusive_ | seems pretty useless.. |
| 04:12.07 | tvl | \3TATUK: yes |
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| 04:12.48 | dbmoodbasdf | ah what ? elusive_ what wireless nic |
| 04:12.56 | elusive_ | sec |
| 04:13.08 | elusive_ | 01:09.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03) |
| 04:13.21 | tvl | phlux: heh |
| 04:13.27 | elusive_ | im tryin to get the kernel updated so i can hopefully experience less problems with it |
| 04:13.29 | dbmoodbasdf | is this lenny or etch (stable) |
| 04:13.34 | elusive_ | eth i believe |
| 04:13.36 | elusive_ | etch* |
| 04:13.43 | dbmoodbasdf | ok well you need bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 04:13.47 | elusive_ | i used the netinstall disk |
| 04:13.58 | elusive_ | oh, i seen that on a page somewhere |
| 04:14.03 | dbmoodbasdf | yes that wireless card requires firmware to use it |
| 04:14.04 | \3TATUK | tvl: Yeah, Debian is pretty -the shit-. |
| 04:14.09 | phlux | yes, my wife has the same card, elusive_ |
| 04:14.09 | elusive_ | but figured it would be easier to upgrade kernel heh |
| 04:14.18 | dbmoodbasdf | !operator |
| 04:14.19 | dpkg | methinks operator is if people are misbehaving here, just "!ops problem_description" to have someone deal with it |
| 04:14.24 | elusive_ | does this modify the original fw on the card? |
| 04:14.25 | phlux | fwcutter worked for hers.. don't tell it to automatically fetch firmware, though |
| 04:14.28 | dbmoodbasdf | !ops \3TATUK is being a pest |
| 04:14.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dbmoodbasdf complains about: \3TATUK is being a pest |
| 04:15.00 | elusive_ | would it still work in windows after ? |
| 04:15.02 | dbmoodbasdf | elusive_: no it requires firmware to use it. you do not alter the firmware on the card itself. |
| 04:15.08 | phlux | elusive_, yes, lol |
| 04:15.09 | elusive_ | oh ok |
| 04:15.11 | elusive_ | heh |
| 04:15.20 | elusive_ | i will try that |
| 04:15.28 | dmoerner | dbmoodbasdf: normally you reserve !ops for something like a botnet attack. if you have a specific issue use /ignore on a person or join #debian-ops |
| 04:15.32 | elusive_ | but, how does one go about upgrading the kernel ? |
| 04:15.33 | dbmoodbasdf | fine |
| 04:15.50 | elusive_ | i tried getting the source and cd /usr/src/linux* ; make menuconfig |
| 04:15.55 | elusive_ | i get piled with errors and fail |
| 04:16.03 | phlux | elusive_, find which kernel you want, and 'aptitude install kernel' |
| 04:16.04 | dmoerner | elusive_: do you have libncurses5-dev installed |
| 04:16.10 | phlux | !etcnhalf |
| 04:16.11 | dbmoodbasdf | dmoerner: sorry for that then. i thought rudeness and being impolite to others other than oneself was an ok reason to ask for an op. apparently not |
| 04:16.12 | tvl | elusive_: i just used normal kernel.org sources, dunno if that might work for you |
| 04:16.14 | \3TATUK | !death > dbmoodbasdf |
| 04:16.19 | phlux | !etcnhhalf |
| 04:16.25 | phlux | er.. |
| 04:16.25 | elusive_ | ok |
| 04:16.29 | phlux | !etchnhalf |
| 04:16.29 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf, or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 04:16.38 | dmoerner | dbmoodbasdf: it is a fine reason to ask for a op. but it's often easier to go to #debian-ops and explain the situation in a case like this |
| 04:16.50 | dbmoodbasdf | ok. |
| 04:16.50 | elusive_ | if i use 2.6.24 would i still need the fwcutter? |
| 04:16.56 | phlux | yes |
| 04:16.58 | elusive_ | ok |
| 04:17.01 | elusive_ | thx |
| 04:17.07 | phlux | and you will need different firmware for 2.6.24 |
| 04:17.13 | phlux | Hold on, let me find the site for you |
| 04:17.18 | elusive_ | is there a cmd ican search for kernels to install w/ aptitude ? |
| 04:17.24 | elusive_ | apt-cache search ? |
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| 04:17.39 | dondelelcaro | \3TATUK: if you want to harass or insult people, do it elsewhere. |
| 04:17.49 | dbmoodbasdf | linuxwireless.org |
| 04:17.55 | phlux | http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 04:17.59 | phlux | That'll work too |
| 04:18.00 | dmoerner | elusive_: aptitude search ~nlinux-image- |
| 04:18.13 | dondelelcaro | elusive_: you can just use apt-cache search; aptitude search will also work, but it's quite a bit more powerful. |
| 04:18.14 | elusive_ | k |
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| 04:18.36 | phlux | debian also works with my Verizon's Motorola UM 150 via pppd :) |
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| 04:18.52 | phlux | love getting internet when I'm not at home |
| 04:19.08 | dbmoodbasdf | phlux: expensive ? |
| 04:19.41 | phlux | dbmoodbasdf, the card was $60, and I pay $60/month for the service |
| 04:19.43 | phlux | Not too bad. |
| 04:20.08 | phlux | but I pay for home interwebz too |
| 04:20.09 | elusive_ | linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 04:20.13 | elusive_ | would this be a good choice ? |
| 04:20.19 | phlux | elusive_, yes :) |
| 04:20.23 | elusive_ | Linux debian 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Mon Aug 18 08:42:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:20.24 | elusive_ | k |
| 04:20.33 | elusive_ | do i need the headers aswell? |
| 04:20.40 | phlux | elusive_, I'd install them. |
| 04:20.44 | phlux | Night folks. |
| 04:20.46 | elusive_ | modules also right? |
| 04:20.51 | elusive_ | kthx nite man |
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| 04:21.28 | dbmoodbasdf | phlux: is that kernel tickless ? |
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| 04:28.43 | Armored_Azrael1 | Hey, is there a way to modify a netinstall disc to turn on a serial console by default? |
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| 04:29.12 | f00li5h | hey, my keyboard seems to be mapped silly, how do i change it so that the pipe key produces a pipe... 'tis a "normal" ps2 qwerty keyboard |
| 04:30.14 | Armored_Azrael1 | (I've got an old PPC Xserve with no graphics card, and would like to put debian on it) |
| 04:30.29 | f00li5h | Armored_Azrael1: sounds like a fun project |
| 04:31.18 | Armored_Azrael1 | f00li5sh: I'm hoping that it's not so much of a "project". If it's going to be, I'll just pull the drives and install from a parent system. |
| 04:31.27 | dbmoodbasdf | so why do you want a serial console ?... can't you just modify it during the netinstallation ? |
| 04:31.48 | Armored_Azrael1 | dbmoodbasdf: I can't see anything, so it's very hard to operate. |
| 04:32.05 | Armored_Azrael1 | dbmoodbasdf: There is no video output of any kind, and no place to install a video card. |
| 04:32.19 | dbmoodbasdf | mmm debootstrap it on your computer then move it across perhaps ? |
| 04:32.53 | f00li5h | Armored_Azrael1: you can include some default settings as part of the install disk, if i recall, there is a netinstall image builder with checkboxes for it |
| 04:33.23 | Armored_Azrael1 | Where is the netinstall image builder |
| 04:33.44 | f00li5h | i don't recall... my lappy is away for repair, and my bookmarks along with it |
| 04:34.00 | f00li5h | i'm sitting at a poorly configured console ... mmmm, 80x25 goodness |
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| 04:35.14 | Armored_Azrael1 | Alternatively, if I could just answer all the questions beforehand, and have it auto-deploy, that'd be nice probably |
| 04:35.28 | f00li5h | Armored_Azrael1: yes, that is the first option I spoke of |
| 04:35.56 | f00li5h | you can save your answers to disk during the install process |
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| 04:43.54 | karlpinc | Armored_Azrael1 : You want "preseeding", to pre-answer installer questions. |
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| 04:44.21 | Armored_Azrael1 | karlpinc: Sounds about right |
| 04:44.44 | Opali | Do ALL websites require the 3-digit code on the back of a CC? |
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| 04:44.59 | f00li5h | Opali: generally |
| 04:45.11 | f00li5h | but i don't think they can validate it against anything |
| 04:45.20 | karlpinc | Armored_Azrael1 : I'd use a serial console, and pxeboot. Then, maybe, finish the install over ssh. (there's an option to do that just a few questions in when you use expert mode. |
| 04:45.58 | Armored_Azrael1 | karlpinc: Yeah, my initial question was how to make it use a serial console? |
| 04:46.07 | Armored_Azrael1 | (also I'm pretty sure this doesn't support pxeboot) |
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| 04:46.54 | Opali | f00li5h, I believe I have used several websites which have asked only for the CC# and address. |
| 04:46.55 | karlpinc | Armored_Azrael1 : You read about it in the kernel docs. IIRC kernel-parmeters.txt is the file. |
| 04:47.49 | nsadmin | what do you need for pxeboot? |
| 04:47.53 | nsadmin | hardwarewi\se |
| 04:48.07 | karlpinc | Armored_Azrael1 : If it's an X server I'm suprised it does not pxe boot. Hard to say. |
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| 04:48.19 | f00li5h | Oh! does anyone know if i can do dual displays in console mode? |
| 04:48.21 | Opali | If a CC database with your # and address has been compromised, YOUR ACCOUNT is at risk because MANY AVENUES REQUIRE ONLY THE CC# AND YOUR ADDRESS TO PROCESS TRANSCATIONS. |
| 04:48.22 | karlpinc | nsadmin : You need the capability in the bios. And a working nic. |
| 04:48.22 | Armored_Azrael1 | karlpinc: I don't know that it doesn't, I just don't think it does) |
| 04:48.24 | Opali | Correct? |
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| 04:48.53 | karlpinc | Opali : Isn't that a bit offtopic? |
| 04:49.02 | Opali | This is just incredible that in this day in age of recordkeeping any loser can snoop through a database of records and start processing fraudulent transcations. |
| 04:49.09 | f00li5h | Opali: as far as i know, vendors are not supposed to keep the credit details on record |
| 04:49.17 | nsadmin | Opali: just call the cc company and have them shut the card down temporarily |
| 04:49.31 | Opali | nsadmin, Temporarily? For how long? |
| 04:49.35 | f00li5h | you can be more specific usually, and just reverse particular transactions |
| 04:49.38 | Opali | nsadmin, I thought that once you block the # it is blocked for good? |
| 04:49.40 | karlpinc | Armored_Azrael1 : Google for a manual. |
| 04:50.03 | nsadmin | Opali: until someone tries to use the card? do you suspect someone's using your cc#? |
| 04:50.16 | Opali | nsadmin, I was told by Citibank that if I block the number, there is no reversing it. I will need a new card issued. |
| 04:50.28 | f00li5h | Opali: i have also been told that |
| 04:50.38 | f00li5h | it may depend on the credit card vendor |
| 04:50.40 | Opali | nsadmin, The database of a vendor at which the card was several times used has been compromised. |
| 04:50.59 | karlpinc | Uh, get a grip people. Move to the Citibank channel to talk about credit cards. |
| 04:51.00 | f00li5h | Opali: anyone I know? |
| 04:51.15 | nsadmin | ok, find out if the vendor keeps your cc info; ask them |
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| 04:51.27 | f00li5h | karlpinc: let's change the topic, do you know how to re-map the keyboard on the console? |
| 04:51.30 | Opali | karrotx, There is no Citibank channel. |
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| 04:51.53 | karlpinc | Opali : Just go there, it'll start one. |
| 04:51.57 | Opali | karrotx, I have been supporting and contributing to Debian Linux for over 14 years of my life. |
| 04:52.08 | Coweater | f00li5h: loadkeys |
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| 04:52.36 | karlpinc | f00li5h : loadkeys sounds right. I'd forgotten. |
| 04:52.41 | dbmoodbasdf | if you think your details or access to accounts are compromised delete the access. I don't care what it is -- be it online accounts or bank cards. |
| 04:52.59 | nsadmin | what's the best high-end sound hardware that also doesn't cost an arm and a leg? |
| 04:53.04 | f00li5h | I don't understand... loadkeys --default changed my keymap to the one I want |
| 04:53.11 | f00li5h | what kind of default isn't the default? |
| 04:53.21 | nsadmin | defence? |
| 04:53.25 | criten | nsadmin, creative cards? |
| 04:53.27 | Opali | dbmoodbasdf, Problem is that I have a CC purchase to make within the next 2 weeks. |
| 04:53.45 | f00li5h | Opali: 2 weeks is long enough to get the new card issued |
| 04:53.45 | Agent_bob | can anyone help me figure out why ssh fails if i have no inet connection ? new install of debian etch with four boxes on a lan, i can ssh one to another as long as i have inet, but from debian to anywhere fails without it. even to 127.0.0.1 thoughts ? |
| 04:53.47 | Opali | dbmoodbasdf, It will be a hassle to have the card blocked and reissued. |
| 04:54.26 | dbmoodbasdf | so make it now then get the card reissued |
| 04:54.26 | nsadmin | criten: nono, high end... pro audio |
| 04:54.36 | dbmoodbasdf | if you only have one access / card that's your fault not ours |
| 04:54.47 | criten | lulz |
| 04:54.50 | karlpinc | Opali : That shoudn't mean that you get to interfere, at length, with everybody else who wants to support Debian. |
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| 04:55.04 | criten | I know a certain fm radio station that runs their pc rigs off creative cards |
| 04:55.06 | Opali | dbmoodb, Why would someone want more than one CC? |
| 04:55.15 | f00li5h | more debit! |
| 04:55.19 | criten | I guess for fm it doesn't matter |
| 04:55.30 | nsadmin | more debit, less debate? |
| 04:56.21 | Opali | dbmoodbasdf? |
| 04:56.29 | f00li5h | look! a slash! \ |
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| 04:56.46 | dbmoodbasdf | Opali: so that when they loose one they can use another. as i am a student i can have as many accounts as like nearly with 2/3 different banks and have debit cards setup just in case. -- could * i don't* need to so i don't but -- if you need to use your cards and its critical get more than one |
| 04:57.03 | dbmoodbasdf | just make the transaction today and then get it reissued |
| 04:57.07 | dbmoodbasdf | meh this is offtopic |
| 04:57.53 | junkDawgie | yes but being broke is universal |
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| 04:58.35 | Agent_bob | anyone ? |
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| 04:59.06 | dbmoodbasdf | ah .. inet ? |
| 04:59.12 | f00li5h | Agent_bob: have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 04:59.16 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : You see sshd running if you do "ps ax|grep ssh"? |
| 04:59.26 | nsadmin | if you have no connection, how will you ssh anywhere? |
| 04:59.33 | f00li5h | nsadmin: local boxen |
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| 04:59.44 | karlpinc | nsadmin : I think he means inetd. ? |
| 04:59.54 | Agent_bob | karlpinc yes sshd is running. i can ssh in while inet connection is up. |
| 05:00.09 | Agent_bob | f00li5h what off and on again ? |
| 05:00.11 | nsadmin | maybe you need a functioning dns |
| 05:00.17 | f00li5h | Agent_bob: the sshd, i suppose |
| 05:00.18 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : It's probably because your boxes have no IP address when your internet connection is down. |
| 05:00.20 | dbmoodbasdf | Agent_bob: ah .. .so if our net is down... can you ssh via the ip ? |
| 05:00.35 | f00li5h | nsadmin: you would say that ;) |
| 05:00.35 | dbmoodbasdf | mmm try static ips or longer dhcp leases perhaps. |
| 05:00.40 | Agent_bob | karlpinc all static ip's and i'm using ip not name. |
| 05:00.44 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : what does ifconfig say? Is there an address? (otherwise, right, it's dns.) |
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| 05:00.59 | Agent_bob | karlpinc tells me the ip... |
| 05:01.05 | nsadmin | sshd on the remote end might check rev dns of the incoming attempted connection |
| 05:01.31 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : nsadmin is on to something. Check the logs. |
| 05:01.40 | Agent_bob | nsadmin it's on the debian ssh end cause i can ssh one box to another just not from this one. |
| 05:01.56 | karlpinc | Check the logs is always an answer when it comes to daemons. |
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| 05:02.23 | Agent_bob | i can also chroot to another linux on this box and then ssh to any of the others |
| 05:02.29 | dbmoodbasdf | wtf my run application dialogue has restored itself go figure. damn will have to remove that bug report / alter it -- how does one do that ? |
| 05:02.44 | Agent_bob | karlpinc yeah but it's not a daemon issue. |
| 05:02.52 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : You can also have ssh be verbose (-v maybe?) and it'll tell you what it's up to and where it stops. |
| 05:02.53 | Agent_bob | it's an ssh issue not sshd |
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| 05:04.06 | Agent_bob | karlpinc yeah it's not very informative only three lines connection to 192.168.0.2 and times out. |
| 05:04.08 | karlpinc | dbmoodbasdf : You send an email with the bug report in the subject line. The message you got back when you used reportbug tells you how. |
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| 05:04.27 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : Tell it to be more verbose. |
| 05:04.28 | dbmoodbasdf | oh ok |
| 05:04.43 | Agent_bob | karlpinc that was -vvvvvv |
| 05:04.58 | Agent_bob | besides two v's is all it accepts |
| 05:04.59 | dbmoodbasdf | also when i boot up lenny it says my hostname is inncorrect. |
| 05:05.10 | dbmoodbasdf | it is blah_x atm -- what should it look like ? |
| 05:05.32 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : You can ping? (Always start with the basics.) |
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| 05:06.17 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : For me the max is 3 vs. |
| 05:07.03 | Agent_bob | karlpinc yes i can ping like i said i can chroot into another distro and from there ssh so it's this client specific |
| 05:07.04 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : FYI, if the pings take about 20 secs to get going, it's dns issues. ping with -n to avoid that. But, it might affect your ssh.... |
| 05:07.57 | Agent_bob | also pinging 127.0.0.1 is pretty quick but i can't tell it's any faster than other boxes on my lan. |
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| 05:08.31 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : If you do -vvv you should get more than just one line. I get 6. |
| 05:09.07 | Agent_bob | also so we don't keep chasing me tail. i have no problem with it as long as the server is connected to the inet. |
| 05:09.36 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : The server being the machine you're sshing from, to, or soemthing else? |
| 05:09.51 | Agent_bob | so it's probably dns related but why the hell is ssh looking for dns on 192.168.0.* |
| 05:10.11 | Agent_bob | karlpinc something else for the most part |
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| 05:10.52 | Agent_bob | i thought using ip would eliminate the need for dns |
| 05:10.53 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : ssh likes to do a forward lookup to get the IP, then a reverse lookup to get a name, then a forward lookup on that name to get an IP. If the 2 IPs don't match then something's wonky. |
| 05:11.19 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : You can configure it to be less picky. But really the answer is to fix dns. |
| 05:11.40 | Agent_bob | karlpinc ok. how to configure it to be less picky ? |
| 05:11.57 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : But first, it should tell you the problem, or log it or something. Otherwise you're just gessing as to the problem. |
| 05:13.20 | Agent_bob | well lets "guess" that ssh is being too picky, what am i looking for in the config ? |
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| 05:13.33 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : Dunno. That's an rtfm. (And have you looked at the sshd logs on the remote end to see what they say about the issue?) |
| 05:14.12 | Agent_bob | karlpinc on which box ? |
| 05:14.29 | Agent_bob | i'll look at them all |
| 05:14.51 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : Right. Whatever fails, look there. |
| 05:15.38 | dbmoodbasdf | try looking at what is exactly occuring on the network -- try with wireshark open and see what happens |
| 05:15.54 | Agent_bob | that's in auth.log right ? |
| 05:16.04 | elusive_ | is there a package available w/ apt-get for tor? |
| 05:16.12 | elusive_ | i cant find it heh |
| 05:16.40 | dbmoodbasdf | ah yeah there is a package in debian backports. |
| 05:16.41 | dmoerner | elusive_: it's called "tor" it's not in etch |
| 05:17.14 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : I _think_ so. It may vary by distro. To be sure check /etc/syslog.conf. (Shaving yaks, ugh.) |
| 05:17.33 | Agent_bob | i don't understand why ssh from other distros work here and ssh from debian doesn't |
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| 05:18.10 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : Different security polices? Depending, I've seen ssh protocol version incompatibilites too. |
| 05:18.10 | Agent_bob | */desent without inet access |
| 05:18.58 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : I'd look into the effect of accessing the internet on your dns services. But that's a guess. |
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| 05:19.36 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : You could also install a local caching dns server, a good idea almost all the time. IIRC it's an aptitude install away. |
| 05:19.42 | Agent_bob | sorry i don't understand "accessing the internet on your dns services." ? |
| 05:20.17 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : How does removing/adding the internet change the dns available on your lan. |
| 05:20.32 | Agent_bob | there isn't one on my lan. |
| 05:20.41 | Agent_bob | only dns is on inet |
| 05:20.45 | diabel- | Hello all :) |
| 05:21.35 | Agent_bob | i've been running like that for years. only when i installed debian have i ever had an issue like this. |
| 05:22.06 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : DNS is handy on the lan, for lots of reasons. It's a very common idiom to put a dns server on every unix box. (And forward to a central caching server, that might in turn forward to your isp, or not. Most ISP dns servers are overloaded and bad in general.) |
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| 05:22.33 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : The ssh people keep making ssh more secure. Debian might be going along. |
| 05:23.03 | dbmoodbasdf | yeah but he should open up wireshark or use tcpdump to see what is actually going on from another level anyway |
| 05:23.06 | diabel- | I've got a little problem, I've got polish version of debian, I tried to install fonty (my debian is amd64 arch, lenny) but fonty not exist in lenny, what Can I do to have polish chars (keymap) in konsole? (I tried to force install fonty but that did not help, after dpkg-reconfigure fonty) |
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| 05:23.43 | karlpinc | dbmoodbasdf : He seems reluctant to figure out exactly what's happening, and wants a quick fix. That works, up to a point.... |
| 05:24.02 | dbmoodbasdf | karlpinc: well he should then make sure his net is up :) |
| 05:24.42 | Agent_bob | karlpinc other than this one issue, what good would a local dns be ? i don't do windows. and ssh is about all the interchange between boxen |
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| 05:26.02 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : It'd make your dns lookups faster, because it wouldn't have to go over your slow Ineternet connection (relative to the lan). It'd let you assign names to your local boxes. That in turn would make all sorts of sysadm tasks easier, like having the boxes email you when things are broken. |
| 05:26.31 | dbmoodbasdf | Agent_bob: its fun :) dns -- ssh name here :) |
| 05:26.40 | Agent_bob | dbmoodbasdf it's pretty simple. with inet up "other end of lan from here" i can ssh 127.0.0.1 with inet down i can't nothing on this box changes. so... |
| 05:27.09 | dbmoodbasdf | Agent_bob: ah is your hostname right or how does it resolve your host .... |
| 05:27.23 | Agent_bob | my hostname ? |
| 05:27.28 | Agent_bob | what hostname ? |
| 05:27.34 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : But even a local caching server on each box, that takes no configuration at all, would reduce network traffic over your wan link. It can even matter when loading lots of images, each one is a dns lookup, that are on a single web page. |
| 05:27.36 | Agent_bob | ip 127.0.0.1 |
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| 05:28.17 | Agent_bob | "wan" ? |
| 05:28.56 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : You reach the Internet with a WAN link (Wide Area Network) Your lan into your ISP's network, from there into other networks, etc.) |
| 05:30.00 | Agent_bob | karlpinc ok. i can see the advantages you say about a caching dns server now what are some disadvantages ? dos attacks ? ??? |
| 05:30.05 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : But 127.0.0.1 I'd expect to be in /etc/hosts. What does "getent hosts 127.0.0.1" say? |
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| 05:30.40 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : It takes up ram. You don't get DOS attacks because it listens only on 127.0.0.1. Then talks to the net for your apps. |
| 05:30.58 | Agent_bob | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
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| 05:32.03 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : And "gentent hosts localhost" does the reverse... I can't say what your problem is..... |
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| 05:32.49 | Torsan | In Toronto, there is no question about it. Taking the subway is the fastest form of transporation. |
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| 05:33.04 | Torsan | The subway is brilliantly efficient. It actually moves QUICKLY. |
| 05:33.20 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : Another downside is that, by default, dhcp configurations will often mess with /etc/resolv.conf, which will bypass your local dns server. But mostly dhcp packages figure that stuff out and it's not a problem And you're not doing dhcp anyhow. |
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| 05:34.06 | Agent_bob | so dnsmasq would be your advice ? and may i ask if it keeps a file or will it still give the same problem until first inet check |
| 05:34.19 | Agent_bob | karlpinc hmmm i don't use dhcp all static |
| 05:34.50 | Agent_bob | but i have been thinking about setting up a dhcp server |
| 05:35.10 | jair | Hello guys, is there a way for Debian linux admins to create clusters? |
| 05:35.27 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : I always use bind9. I think out of the box it serves only the local box. |
| 05:35.30 | Torsan | Designing cities around CARS is disgraceful, nitus. |
| 05:35.50 | Agent_bob | bind9 you say... |
| 05:36.02 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : The way I look at it I may as well use what's most versatle, so I don't have to learn lots of ways to do the same thing. |
| 05:36.17 | karlpinc | jair : Look at heartbeat2. |
| 05:36.40 | jair | karlpinc: I will check that thank you :) |
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| 05:37.45 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : The only trouble with bind9 is that the "real" docs are in html. |
| 05:38.40 | Agent_bob | i think for the time being i should look into disabling the rdns lookup in ssh and worry about the rest after i get caught up. |
| 05:38.54 | karlpinc | Agent_bob : I'm still troubled that we're assuming we know the problem. Gotta go. |
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| 05:40.00 | Agent_bob | "we always work on assumptions, ever at our most certian" |
| 05:40.15 | haole | hey there... i'm trying to compile a program, but i'm getting this error: undefined reference to `boost::filesystem::basename(boost::filesystem::path const&)' |
| 05:40.24 | haole | i have libboost-filesystem-dev installed... what should i do? |
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| 05:41.35 | snappy | do you have the library installed aswell? libboost-filesystem? |
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| 05:42.21 | Agent_bob | maybe it's CheckHostIP ??? |
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| 05:43.29 | haole | snappy, gonna check |
| 05:43.46 | haole | snappy, yes i do |
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| 05:48.46 | Agent_bob | ok ffr it is the switch "CheckHostIP" in /etc/ssh/ssh_config when i set it to "no" all my woes go away. |
| 05:49.34 | Agent_bob | just so you folks will know and be able to answer others if anyone should ask. |
| 05:49.52 | Agent_bob | i guess i'm all setup now. thanks guys. |
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| 05:52.05 | Torsan | Dryness in the winter ACCENTUATES the cold. |
| 05:52.11 | Torsan | Contrary to what some will tell you. |
| 05:52.21 | Torsan | A "dry cold" is the worst cold there is. |
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| 05:56.03 | Torsan | If you want cold, go to Alberta in November. |
| 05:56.10 | Torsan | That's COLD! |
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| 05:57.42 | Torsan | The difference in temperature you feel in Alberta when the sun is out versus when it is away is just incredible. |
| 05:57.56 | Torsan | The sun can be out in the morning and it can be scorching and then a few hours later it can be down and you can be chilled. |
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| 05:59.24 | Torsan | You definitely need a thick, full-length mink fur coat if you are living in Alberta during the fall or winter. |
| 05:59.28 | Agent_bob | Torsan is a bot ? |
| 05:59.39 | Torsan | And somethign to cover every inch of skin on your face. |
| 06:00.37 | Agent_bob | how can one check the username for a specific uid ? |
| 06:01.03 | near | id? :) |
| 06:01.05 | Maliuta | grep |
| 06:01.26 | Agent_bob | Maliuta i can't get grep narrow enough |
| 06:01.34 | near | id |
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| 06:01.47 | Maliuta | grep <id> /etc/passwd |
| 06:01.57 | near | nah, the id command |
| 06:01.58 | Agent_bob | near id 1000 |
| 06:01.59 | Maliuta | 'tard |
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| 06:02.38 | Agent_bob | Maliuta but supose there is a group with the same number and more than one in that group |
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| 06:03.26 | Agent_bob | i need a way to check only the third field i guess |
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| 06:04.51 | near | id -u .... |
| 06:05.58 | Agent_bob | id -u 0 |
| 06:05.59 | Agent_bob | id: 0: No such user |
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| 06:06.08 | Agent_bob | ;/ |
| 06:06.43 | near | id -u username |
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| 06:06.48 | Maliuta | so you use awk or cut with grep |
| 06:06.49 | siimo | hi, i find that my machine struggles quite badly when playing High def video in debian using VLC player.. but same video plays smoothly on windows, what could be the issue? i got a nvidia card and drivers are installed |
| 06:07.09 | near | aaah i misread what you were asking! |
| 06:07.16 | Agent_bob | near it's the username i'm looking for.... |
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| 06:07.33 | Agent_bob | you must have |
| 06:07.53 | Maliuta | suggests Agent_bob uses grep with cut or awk |
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| 06:08.57 | Agent_bob | Maliuta can you give an example? how to check for uid 0 without getting gid 0 also ? |
| 06:09.03 | near | yeah sorry, i didn't sleep this night :) |
| 06:09.18 | near | well i'd do what Maliuta suggests |
| 06:09.30 | Agent_bob | i know nothing of awk but i'm sure it can do this. |
| 06:09.43 | Agent_bob | sed probably can as well |
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| 06:10.04 | Agent_bob | but i don't know them well enough |
| 06:11.05 | near | grep username /etc/passwd | cut -d ":" -f 3 |
| 06:11.26 | near | -d for the delimiter and -f for the field |
| 06:11.33 | Agent_bob | the basic idea would be print the whole line that filed 3 is == "some uid" and the delimiter is : but i'm at a loss on how. |
| 06:11.45 | Agent_bob | near you are still backwards. |
| 06:11.46 | chatsir | Hmm... I just rebooted into a 2.6.22-4-686 kernel (on etch) that I believe I installed from backports.org a while ago. My networking device didn't work so I rebooted back into the usual 2.6.18-6-686 and now some things seem to be broken. vlc segfaults on startup, gaim segfaults when an account connects |
| 06:11.54 | chatsir | idea any what the issue might be? |
| 06:12.11 | chatsir | it seems somewhat directly related to me booting in/out of that 'broken' kernel |
| 06:12.33 | near | Agent_bob, haha yeah :/ |
| 06:13.35 | Maliuta | Agent_bob: grep 100 /etc/passwd | awk -F \: '{print $1" "$3}' | grep 100$ |
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| 06:13.39 | chatsir | i've tried rebooting into the 2.6.18 an extra time but gaim/vlc are still segfaulting, ever since that 2.6.22 bootup |
| 06:13.46 | Maliuta | Agent_bob: fucking simple |
| 06:14.04 | Maliuta | Agent_bob: grow some shell skills |
| 06:14.15 | Torsan | BC is definitely milder than Alberta. |
| 06:14.17 | Torsan | That's for sure. |
| 06:14.54 | Agent_bob | Maliuta the first grep is wasted but yes. that's what i want. thanks. |
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| 06:15.06 | Agent_bob | thank you. |
| 06:15.14 | Maliuta | Agent_bob: learn to do it yourself |
| 06:15.19 | Maliuta | Agent_bob: it's not that hard |
| 06:15.30 | Maliuta | Agent_bob: and you can't be spoonfed everything |
| 06:15.56 | LinuxNIT | is there a command that will tell me if my wireless card is associating with my access point even if i have not yet obtained an ip address?? |
| 06:15.57 | Agent_bob | Maliuta what do you think i'm doing ? but if you want to act an ass now you earned the right... |
| 06:16.15 | Maliuta | Agent_bob: and in the interest of scaling the first grep cuts down work for the rest of the script |
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| 06:18.00 | logione | hi all |
| 06:18.18 | logione | anyone know what the ircd account is in /etc/passwd please ? |
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| 06:19.57 | nmh_2Grajw | LinuxNIT: if you are using wpa_supplicant, you can check status for association and stuff |
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| 06:20.40 | logione | i mean how can i verify this account is legitimate, and more generally others are.. why e.g. mail account need a shell.. |
| 06:20.56 | chatsir | i guess i'll try another reboot :\ |
| 06:22.40 | LinuxNIT | nmh_2Grajw, what about with wep,? |
| 06:23.00 | nmh_2Grajw | LinuxNIT: are you using wpa-supplicant? |
| 06:23.21 | LinuxNIT | not with wep |
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| 06:29.39 | siimo | hi my usb drive icon on xfce desktop / thunar stopped appearing upon pluggin it in. it appears i have to *restart* dbus/hal manually by doing: /etc/init.d/dbus restart, and then it finally appears.. any idea how to make this happen automatically |
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| 06:30.27 | haole | what channel is the right one to get package building support? |
| 06:30.31 | Maliuta | siimo: you're sure it's not just the settings under Desktop in the settings manager |
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| 06:31.03 | siimo | Maliuta: yeah, it automatically appears also if its plugged in when booting up |
| 06:31.21 | siimo | i think it is not getting any device plugging events till i restart dbus for some reason |
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| 06:32.14 | Agent_bob | ok i set up a way to admin this box without a root account, is there anything else i should do to tighten security? or is it pretty tight by default ? |
| 06:33.24 | Agent_bob | seems wierd not having "root" even if it is just a name change... ;/ |
| 06:34.25 | streuner | haole: just ask here, if you don't get help, ask in #debian-mentors then |
| 06:34.47 | streuner | !listvals debian-mentors |
| 06:34.49 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'debian-mentors' by value (3): mentors ;; rfs ;; usb mount. |
| 06:34.54 | streuner | !mentors |
| 06:34.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 06:35.40 | haole | ok then... i have a package that brings both binaries and library files... how do i separate them in foo.deb and libfoo.deb and libfoo-dev.deb? |
| 06:37.11 | Agent_bob | well i think i'm gone for a while. |
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| 06:41.43 | Pavel | I am trying to set up an OpenVPN server (a computer with one NIC) such that clients connecting to it could access the Internet through it. I've followed all the tutorials and worked through all the documentation, and I've gotten as far as being able to ping the VPN server's internal address, but no further. |
| 06:42.10 | Pavel | If someone has a successful NAT/IP Masquerading setup on top of that, could I see all your relevant config files, by any chance? |
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| 06:46.56 | Farhadix | hi guys, How can connect to an Access Point in cli? using iwconfig. |
| 06:47.05 | Farhadix | ? |
| 06:47.18 | liable | iwconfig wlan0 essid youressid |
| 06:48.19 | Farhadix | i do this but when ping google.com, returns unknown ... |
| 06:48.32 | Farhadix | host |
| 06:48.58 | liable | you have to run dhclient to get a lease |
| 06:49.16 | Farhadix | oh thanks :) |
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| 06:49.51 | Farhadix | another question, is there any way to undo last upgarde? |
| 06:50.14 | streuner | Farhadix: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:50.23 | liable | nope. you can sometimes downgrade certain packages, often its very difficult |
| 06:51.05 | Farhadix | i have upgraded my etch last night and now gdm dosen't work |
| 06:51.35 | streuner | so answer our questions please |
| 06:51.43 | Farhadix | ok, |
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| 06:51.57 | Farhadix | wait i must restart |
| 06:54.08 | ktwilight__ | is it known that it's not possible to build an older kernel in lenny? i.e. i can't seem to successfully build 2.6.22 in lenny, i always get a kernel panic. even if hte .config is debian stock. |
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| 06:55.08 | streuner | ktwilight__: is initrd enabled? |
| 06:55.15 | ktwilight__ | streuner, yes |
| 06:55.16 | enouf | hrm, i've built a .23 kernel since i've had lenny's libc6 iirc |
| 06:55.35 | enouf | s/since/when |
| 06:55.43 | ktwilight__ | though running .25 wasn't a problem at all, though i haven't try building .25 |
| 06:55.46 | streuner | ktwilight__: did you compile the FS into the kernel? |
| 06:55.50 | ktwilight__ | streuner, yes |
| 06:56.15 | streuner | ktwilight__: grub? |
| 06:56.24 | enouf | ktwilight__: used make-kpkg? and explain where it fails |
| 06:56.37 | ktwilight__ | streuner, yes, grub. |
| 06:56.50 | ktwilight__ | enouf, yes, make-kpkg. it fails at boot. it happened all too fast. :/ |
| 06:57.04 | enouf | heh, how helpful ;-) |
| 06:57.11 | ktwilight__ | enouf, there wasn't enough info on screen too :/ |
| 06:57.22 | streuner | ktwilight__: did you use "--iniitrd" too? |
| 06:57.28 | streuner | initrd* |
| 06:57.30 | ktwilight__ | but what i also did was cross check what debian stock .25 have, and its loaded modules, and built 'em into .22 |
| 06:57.35 | ktwilight__ | still no go. yes, i used --initrd |
| 06:57.50 | streuner | and udated grub via update-grub? |
| 06:57.51 | enouf | wait, what? |
| 06:57.53 | ktwilight__ | even built the initrd config option in |
| 06:57.55 | streuner | updated |
| 06:58.02 | ktwilight__ | streuner, yea |
| 06:58.17 | streuner | ktwilight__: ok |
| 06:58.35 | streuner | ktwilight__: grep -i initrd <yourconfig> |
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| 06:59.01 | enouf | streuner: you mean the non-booting kernel .config ;-) |
| 06:59.01 | streuner | ktwilight__: grep -i <yourfs_you_are using> <yourconfig> |
| 06:59.04 | ktwilight__ | uh, i don't have it with me haha |
| 06:59.22 | streuner | enouf: sure, what do you think? |
| 06:59.22 | enouf | even more helpful :-P |
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| 06:59.25 | ktwilight__ | gimme a sec |
| 06:59.56 | enouf | streuner: not sure yet - but the .25 into .22 statement has me perplexed atm |
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| 07:00.25 | ktwilight_ | ok, let's see |
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| 07:01.03 | enouf | i don't think he told us which sources they used yet either, vanilla or debian |
| 07:01.28 | ktwilight_ | vanilla. |
| 07:01.30 | siimo | is there a way to reset all of the hal settings etc? |
| 07:01.43 | ktwilight_ | enouf, but i also tried using debian's .config ;) |
| 07:02.22 | ktwilight_ | gimme a moment, it's unpacking |
| 07:02.38 | streuner | siimo: /etc/init.d/hal restart ? |
| 07:03.03 | enouf | siimo: well .. hrm what did you do to break it? |
| 07:03.14 | siimo | streuner: but its worse than that.. i only see mounted devices when i restart hal like that.. i want it to work automatically like it used to |
| 07:03.22 | enouf | ktwilight_: .config != source ;-) |
| 07:03.28 | ktwilight_ | enouf, i know :/ |
| 07:03.36 | streuner | siimo: sounds like unstable :-) |
| 07:03.39 | ktwilight_ | but that shouldn't matter. 'cuz i've built .22 before fine |
| 07:03.46 | siimo | streuner: im runnning testing |
| 07:03.55 | enouf | ktwilight_: debian kernels have various patches/patchsets applied |
| 07:03.59 | streuner | hm, much worser then :-) |
| 07:04.04 | ktwilight_ | and IIRC, it was using etch to build, not lenny. i had also problems building .22 in lenny previously, strangely. |
| 07:04.16 | enouf | ... |
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| 07:04.38 | ktwilight_ | i was thinking it's the headers, but i guess that don't matter? |
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| 07:05.57 | siimo | streuner: any course of actions i can try? |
| 07:06.50 | streuner | sure, look at the BTS |
| 07:07.04 | enouf | ktwilight_: any reason you have to use .22? and until i can figure out what "what i also did was cross check what debian stock .25 have, and its loaded modules, and built 'em into .22" means exactly - and ascertain what, if any calamities would arise from using a 2.6.18ish build environment, i'm going to not guess :-) |
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| 07:07.30 | ktwilight_ | enouf, 'cuz vserver only has patches for .22 |
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| 07:07.50 | ktwilight_ | cross check, meanin' checking which modules/drivers are needed |
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| 07:08.39 | ktwilight_ | streuner, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y |
| 07:09.11 | enouf | ktwilight_: aer you telling me you need a custom vserver build? |
| 07:09.25 | ktwilight_ | yes |
| 07:09.28 | streuner | argh |
| 07:09.34 | Farhadix | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libreries |
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| 07:10.02 | ktwilight_ | k, have to leave now. i'll try building it in etch and see if it helps. :) |
| 07:10.23 | ktwilight_ | is almost going insane with it :) |
| 07:10.28 | enouf | ktwilight_: well, you can't expect all things that work well in .25 to work at all in .22 .. do you realize how much code has changed between those versions? |
| 07:10.45 | ktwilight_ | enouf, yes i know, that's why i was asking if it would be a problem ;) |
| 07:10.55 | Farhadix | my gdm returns this error : The greeter application appears to be craching \n Attemting to use a different one. |
| 07:11.03 | enouf | i think you found out your answer :-P |
| 07:11.04 | ktwilight_ | also why i'll try to build it in etch instead of lenny |
| 07:11.06 | ktwilight_ | yea :P |
| 07:11.10 | ktwilight_ | k, bbl *waves* |
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| 07:11.16 | haole | hey there... i'm packaging a software that comes with it's binaries and a lot of libfoo.so files... how do i split them in two packages? |
| 07:11.23 | streuner | Farhadix: little dirty fix -> use .xsession and put your WM into that file |
| 07:11.38 | streuner | Farhadix: and remove gdm |
| 07:12.14 | enouf | ktwilight_: yeah, build atleast in a lenny env. .. i'm just not awake enough to recall if the build would fail then if the env was wrong |
| 07:13.09 | enouf | ktwilight_: also, you used a debian .config, but did you apply debian patches to your .22 vanilla source? |
| 07:13.26 | enouf | ktwilight_: also, you used a debian .config (to start with anyway) |
| 07:13.38 | Farhadix | streuner: can you explain more? |
| 07:14.47 | enouf | !nodm |
| 07:14.47 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 07:14.56 | streuner | Farhadix: touch /home/<user>/.xsession, put into that file "exec <your_WM> and use startx |
| 07:15.15 | enouf | do /msg dpkg xsession |
| 07:16.06 | streuner | !blairsmite enouf |
| 07:16.06 | dpkg | spins enouf at 3000000000 rpm, while telling him that Wales could attack within 30 minutes repeatedly. |
| 07:16.22 | enouf | hahaha |
| 07:16.32 | Farhadix | that is WM? |
| 07:16.38 | amphi | heheh |
| 07:16.52 | enouf | tony blair ..and here i was thinking about a witch project :-P |
| 07:17.00 | streuner | Farhadix: what kind of window-manager do you use? |
| 07:17.27 | amphi | Lord Bliar of Kut-al-Amara |
| 07:19.00 | enouf | hides from all the scary attacking amphis :-P |
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| 07:27.47 | Gigantic | There is a software alike to ghost (g4l) that I've always used to backup my system... |
| 07:28.29 | Gigantic | but can't recall teh name right now... it can .tar.gz or .bz and has a blue ncurses interface apart of the cmd |
| 07:28.34 | Gigantic | .... |
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| 07:29.21 | Gigantic | I'll give a candy to whoever remind me the name :) |
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| 07:30.06 | cahoot | Gigantic: aptitude search backup - doesn't turn up there? |
| 07:30.35 | Gigantic | nope |
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| 07:35.16 | darxas | how can i run a jar file without passing it as a parameter to java |
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| 07:37.37 | Gigantic | got it! partimage |
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| 07:38.00 | Gigantic | I always forget the name of that one :) |
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| 07:38.05 | Maliuta | darxas: register java as a misc binary and have the kernel pass it as an argument to java |
| 07:38.25 | Farhadix | where is log-file of apt-get upgrade? |
| 07:38.27 | Maliuta | darxas: you still need to call the jvm and tell it where the bytecode is |
| 07:38.31 | mbroeker | darxas, there are 3 options: java -jar MyJarFile.jar || write everything into a startscript || read the documentation to binfmt_misc |
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| 07:39.25 | darxas | wow cool thanks |
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| 07:41.15 | dasorm | are there any programs to do a file system check of a ntfs partition? |
| 07:41.18 | darxas | mbreker: if i use a startscript, would i be able to pass parameters and receive output? |
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| 07:42.53 | enouf | Gigantic: just think 'partition imager', (heck think partition magic if you like) |
| 07:43.41 | enouf | dasorm: i think not, other than windows' own chkdsk - or something like ultimatebootcd.com |
| 07:44.09 | darxas | mbroeker: ^^ |
| 07:44.14 | enouf | Farhad: dpkg.log |
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| 07:46.16 | mbroeker | darxas, sure. no problem |
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| 07:47.28 | Baloo | Trying to figure out why AC97 onboard sound would not have any output but does have input on a plugged in, unmuted headset with all the alsamixer sliders set to maximum... |
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| 07:49.43 | Maliuta | Baloo: check the mute on PCM |
| 07:49.57 | Baloo | Unmuted |
| 07:50.27 | enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 07:50.28 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
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| 07:50.38 | enouf | !soundcheck |
| 07:50.38 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp ...use Ctrl-C to stop it after a few seconds. If it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 07:50.45 | enouf | !speaker-test |
| 07:50.46 | dpkg | methinks speaker-test is do speaker-test -tsine -f440 -c2 to test if speakers are working in alsa (install alsa-utils), ask me about <alsa checklist> and <soundcheck> |
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| 07:51.32 | Ventil | been using debian for almost 10 years now. |
| 07:51.36 | Ventil | who else is in the same boat? |
| 07:51.53 | mbroeker | darxas, http://rafb.net/p/EfcH6P77.html << simple startscript |
| 07:53.02 | Maliuta | Ventil: umm I think it's 11 for me |
| 07:53.10 | Maliuta | Ventil: sometime in Bo |
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| 07:56.44 | mike-ekim | for Debian Sparc I am getting apt-get update errors with GPG |
| 07:56.49 | beardy | Ventil: Almost anyway. 7 or so. |
| 07:57.03 | mike-ekim | Anyone know the sources.list URL to use for repository |
| 07:57.31 | enouf | !sources.list |
| 07:57.31 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 07:57.41 | Baloo | enouf: Thanks for suggesting what I had done before arriving. :o) Now how about a non-Dell response? |
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| 07:58.07 | enouf | Baloo: not without more info :-P |
| 07:58.16 | enouf | tier 3 support then only |
| 07:58.30 | Baloo | enouf: OK, well, help me help you help me. What info do you need? |
| 07:58.31 | vorpal | Baloo: not supported <-- official Dell response ;-) |
| 07:58.42 | enouf | and .. how about you tell us what happens when you hit each of those steps |
| 07:58.43 | mike-ekim | I am running debian-sparc tho |
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| 07:59.03 | Baloo | enouf: No sound. The mixers work, nothing fails, but there's no sound. |
| 07:59.13 | enouf | mike-ekim: so? what am i missing? see #debian-sparc ? |
| 07:59.19 | Baloo | Everything acts like sound should happen, but no sound happens. |
| 07:59.19 | mike-ekim | tells me: W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 07:59.23 | mike-ekim | alright. |
| 07:59.47 | enouf | i think i've seen that error before though |
| 08:00.25 | enouf | Baloo: what happens after you do 1? is your sound card found? and which debian version is this? |
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| 08:01.25 | Baloo | alsaconf just resets the mixer, I've been in the audio group on this machine since 1997, changing sound levels doesn't do anything obvious, no arts or esound, no oss modules, headset's plugged in correctly, snd-pcm-oss was loaded by alsaconf, aplay works but no sound, !soundcheck works with no sound. |
| 08:02.34 | Baloo | Mic works, I tested that in Second Life. Others can hear me. But no output. |
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| 08:03.05 | enouf | Baloo: erm, alsaconf should scan for your card, pastebin output of cat /proc/asound/cards .. and please try to answer my other questions - the info you're giving can be useful, but should've been given earlier, i am asking specific questions now |
| 08:03.26 | Maliuta | Baloo: you're sure the speakers are plugged into the right thing? |
| 08:04.07 | Baloo | Maliuta: For the fourth time, yes, the headphones are plugged in properly. |
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| 08:04.20 | enouf | headphones !=speakers |
| 08:04.35 | Baloo | The headphones work, I don't have speakers. |
| 08:05.05 | enouf | and guess what... you're going into my b0z0 box now - congrats |
| 08:05.10 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 08:05.29 | Baloo | http://pastebin.com/d622a319 |
| 08:05.31 | cahoot | 11 year old system means it's not using snd-hda-intel? what alsa module does it use? |
| 08:05.36 | Che-Anarc | Hi can can someone please help get my optical drive working... whenever I try to mount it it fails and I get some errors that appear in dmesg but before doing that I can eject & isoinfo it... after all fails / stops. |
| 08:05.46 | Baloo | Err http://pastebin.com/d622a3190 |
| 08:06.11 | enouf | Che-Anarc: oh dear {DEITY} .. not you with your Bluray again .. lmao |
| 08:06.24 | enouf | Che-Anarc: is that even debian you're using? |
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| 08:06.30 | Baloo | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d622a3190 |
| 08:06.56 | enouf | yeah ok |
| 08:07.43 | Ventil | using debian for almost 10 years, i don't even remember what a microsoft os feels like. |
| 08:07.44 | Che-Anarc | enouf hello again lol no but I thought I might try in here if I could get some help. |
| 08:07.52 | Baloo | enouf: Any ideas? |
| 08:07.58 | amphi | !vistasmite Ventil |
| 08:08.01 | Ventil | once i installed debbie 10 years ago, i never looked back. |
| 08:08.12 | beardy | Your point? |
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| 08:08.39 | Ventil | think of all the $$$$ i have saved over those 10 years. |
| 08:08.45 | ehc3 | if I am running a boot cd how can I see the hard drive on that machine? |
| 08:08.48 | beardy | Che-Anarc: No, you can not. Try ##linux. |
| 08:09.00 | beardy | Ventil: Do you smoke? |
| 08:09.05 | Baloo | Did enouf die? |
| 08:09.14 | Ventil | with all the money you save from using debian, you can afford a fancy dinner once every week. |
| 08:09.46 | beardy | Ok, a misplaced advocacy bot, great. |
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| 08:09.55 | Baloo | Fuck this crap, perhaps debian-user will have someone that isn't useless tonight. |
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| 08:10.20 | mike-ekim | Baloo: ? |
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| 08:11.04 | john_connor | !what is the rpm commandline to install an rpm ? |
| 08:11.05 | dpkg | john_connor: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 08:11.26 | john_connor | what is the rpm commandline to install an rpm ? |
| 08:11.32 | Maliuta | rpm -i |
| 08:11.37 | john_connor | tnx |
| 08:11.49 | Maliuta | not that it's a debian question |
| 08:11.54 | Maliuta | john_connor: RTFM |
| 08:11.55 | enouf | mike-ekim: no worries, the b0z0 likely wasn't using debian anyway ;-) |
| 08:11.58 | beardy | He discovered that if you are able to answer 20-50% of the questions in here, you will most likely not get any help when you need it, the rare time. |
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| 08:12.19 | mike-ekim | lol |
| 08:12.26 | beardy | Not a joke. |
| 08:12.31 | enouf | mike-ekim: and if someone is going to be in a hurry and pushy, maybe they need to see the "/msg dpkg hurry" factoid ;-) |
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| 08:12.46 | beardy | That they do, too. |
| 08:13.04 | mike-ekim | hehe |
| 08:13.11 | john_connor | what is the rpm commandline to list the files that will be installed by an rpm archive ? |
| 08:13.19 | john_connor | i lost the manual |
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| 08:13.26 | beardy | john_connor: For what have you used rpm? |
| 08:13.31 | beardy | Oh, just get out. |
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| 08:13.48 | mike-ekim | rpm on deb? |
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| 08:13.53 | beardy | Ignore. |
| 08:13.56 | john_connor | i just need to install this flash player |
| 08:14.07 | beardy | !sunday |
| 08:14.07 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 08:14.21 | mike-ekim | lol |
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| 08:14.28 | bobjohnston | how do you tell tor to find a new path through the network in linux? |
| 08:14.29 | miksuh | john_connor: why are you installing flash player from rpm package? |
| 08:14.38 | miksuh | if i understood you correctly |
| 08:14.47 | enouf | Che-Anarc: go over into ##linux, i'll be there shortly, and please don't go asking into various #distro-channels other than your own :-P |
| 08:14.50 | john_connor | there is no debian package on the adobe site |
| 08:15.14 | ericpersson | john_connor: use the tar.gz |
| 08:15.18 | bobjohnston | lol |
| 08:15.21 | john_connor | i think i will |
| 08:15.21 | miksuh | john_connor: yeah, but there is debian package on debian-multimedia repository :) |
| 08:15.22 | bobjohnston | dont go to ##linux |
| 08:15.30 | EmleyMoor | It turns out the final step of last night's messing was to restore my old xorg.conf - I feel some of what I discovered may be useful to others, so how do I update dpkg's factoids? |
| 08:15.32 | Che-Anarc | enouf thanks.... appreciated. |
| 08:15.35 | bobjohnston | they'll just send you somewhere else |
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| 08:15.36 | miksuh | debian-multimedia.org |
| 08:15.38 | bobjohnston | they never help anyone |
| 08:16.12 | beardy | EmleyMoor: Which factoid, and what needs updating? |
| 08:16.15 | SpeedyG_ | hm, when using amarok, you really find out how bad your mp3s are tagged :/ |
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| 08:16.43 | bobjohnston | its so hard to get help with tor on freenode |
| 08:16.51 | noboru | does anyone know something about the UserAgent stuff in apache which can be used to ban stuff ? |
| 08:16.53 | bobjohnston | #tor is always inactive |
| 08:17.05 | bobjohnston | and when you ask anywhere else they all tell you to go to #tor |
| 08:17.06 | beardy | Maybe they got tired of the spam. |
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| 08:17.12 | beardy | Too. |
| 08:17.42 | SpeedyG_ | imo, tor is just for paranoid people .. |
| 08:17.49 | miksuh | john_connor: # apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 08:17.52 | EmleyMoor | nvidia_post_etch needs a note added to say "On lenny, perform a <simple sid backport> of nvidia-kernel-source before following this. If upgrading from etch, skip the dpkg-reconfigure step, or restore your old config afterwards, if you were already using nvidia |
| 08:17.55 | bobjohnston | lol |
| 08:18.02 | beardy | Nothing wrong with being a little paranoid, the problem is all tards. |
| 08:18.07 | miksuh | john_connor: that's in the debian contrib repository |
| 08:18.17 | SpeedyG_ | EmleyMoor: how about !nvidia_lenny_1 and !nvidia_lenny_2 |
| 08:18.26 | bobjohnston | SpeedyG_: you won't be saying that when you get swatted |
| 08:18.49 | SpeedyG_ | bobjohnston: 'swatted' ? |
| 08:18.58 | bobjohnston | most people online dont understand the importance of privacy |
| 08:19.05 | bobjohnston | if someone got your information |
| 08:19.09 | bobjohnston | they could swat you |
| 08:19.32 | bobjohnston | which means making a false call to the authorities causing a SWAT team to burst into your house and possibly kill you |
| 08:19.38 | bobjohnston | happens all the time |
| 08:19.41 | EmleyMoor | Apart from the bit about restoring your old config if you were already using nvidia, that's fine and would have saved me much head scratching and panic last night |
| 08:19.42 | bobjohnston | its getting more frequent now |
| 08:19.56 | bobjohnston | nobody is safe |
| 08:20.01 | SpeedyG | bobjohnston: wth is being swatted? |
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| 08:20.11 | SpeedyG | bobjohnston: wth is 'being swatted' ? |
| 08:20.24 | bobjohnston | its when someone tricks the authorities into sending a SWAT team into your house |
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| 08:20.43 | SpeedyG | bobjohnston: and then what? |
| 08:21.08 | bobjohnston | and then a SWAT team bursts into your door and starts tearing the place apart and one false move could be fatal |
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| 08:21.25 | SpeedyG | bobjohnston: I call that idea 'being paranoid' |
| 08:21.39 | bobjohnston | i would too if it hasn't happened to a ton of people already |
| 08:21.55 | SpeedyG | but then again, i'm no american citizen.. maybe that explains |
| 08:22.02 | bobjohnston | it doesnt matter where you live |
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| 08:22.10 | bobjohnston | emergency services take all phone calls very seriously |
| 08:22.18 | bobjohnston | they have to |
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| 08:22.34 | SpeedyG | well, if I see some people walking up my frontdoor, i'll just politely open it and ask them whats the matter |
| 08:23.00 | bobjohnston | and theres all sorts of ways for people to fuck with you if they get your information |
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| 08:23.33 | bobjohnston | people get fired from jobs, phone services get cancelled, etc. |
| 08:23.44 | bobjohnston | and of course, the classic 15 pizzas being delivered to your house |
| 08:23.55 | bobjohnston | which isn't really that bad; they usually dont make you pay if you explain things |
| 08:24.10 | SpeedyG | 15 pizzas is just a prank.. all the other stuff... if they do that, you've probably asked for it |
| 08:24.13 | EmleyMoor | My apache2 configs are broken after an upgrade to lenny... http://paste.debian.net/15490/ - what do I need to do to fix? |
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| 08:24.59 | bobjohnston | someone i know has had people calling and threatening her kids |
| 08:25.01 | SpeedyG | anyway, i've got things to do, and this discussion doesnt even belong in #debian.. |
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| 08:25.18 | bobjohnston | well im just talking about the importance of privacy |
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| 08:25.36 | bobjohnston | its important to understand that the internet is full of insane, depraved human beings |
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| 08:26.06 | netdaemon | like bob johnston |
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| 08:26.16 | cahoot | how dare you participate? |
| 08:26.27 | Pelain | if you get pizzas delivered, you just tell the delivery man that you did not order them. |
| 08:26.30 | Pelain | big deal. |
| 08:26.46 | SpeedyG | bobjohnston: and regarding to tor, what if some kiddy-porn addict uses your tor to browse through that stuff, your connection gets canceled by the ISP because YOUR connection was the one that was surfing that crap .. |
| 08:26.56 | Pelain | it's a problem for the pizza joint, not for you. |
| 08:26.59 | bobjohnston | thats why i don't relay traffic |
| 08:27.07 | SpeedyG | Pelain: exactly |
| 08:27.22 | bobjohnston | i already said that wasn't a big deal |
| 08:27.29 | bobjohnston | pizzas is nothing |
| 08:27.31 | bobjohnston | in fact |
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| 08:27.38 | bobjohnston | sometimes the pizzas places let you keep the pizzas for free |
| 08:27.47 | bobjohnston | which is awesome |
| 08:28.01 | Pelain | bobjohnston, then people would start to prank themselves. |
| 08:28.08 | beardy | So you're just using tor to be able to voip order free pizzas. |
| 08:28.18 | bobjohnston | not yet |
| 08:28.20 | bobjohnston | but thats a great idea |
| 08:28.24 | SpeedyG | lol beardy |
| 08:28.32 | bobjohnston | although i dont think the quality would be that good over tor |
| 08:28.53 | Pelain | tor is a menace to society. |
| 08:29.01 | Pelain | but we have bigger issues. |
| 08:29.13 | bobjohnston | freenode hates tor because people use it to spam |
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| 08:29.37 | bobjohnston | they try to act like they support it |
| 08:29.42 | bobjohnston | they have the little hidden service set up |
| 08:29.44 | bobjohnston | but its disabled |
| 08:29.47 | bobjohnston | almost all the time |
| 08:30.10 | bobjohnston | because they can't find a better way to deal with spammers |
| 08:30.27 | bobjohnston | well, not really spammers |
| 08:30.32 | bobjohnston | it auto-bans spammers |
| 08:30.35 | Pelain | bobjohnston, freenode runs microsoft operating systems. |
| 08:31.09 | bobjohnston | freenode likes to keep out the "trolls" which is a slang term for people that have different opinions |
| 08:31.29 | beardy | That is a trolling statement. |
| 08:32.00 | bobjohnston | there's nothing unusual about that statement |
| 08:32.03 | bobjohnston | its human nature |
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| 08:32.05 | beardy | Please continue in #debian-offtopic. 7 lines in a row is enough. |
| 08:32.12 | bobjohnston | you hear someone say something you disagree with, you dislike them |
| 08:32.45 | bobjohnston | if anyone has anything debian related to discuss, go right ahead |
| 08:32.49 | beardy | No. That is an "idiot", a troll is something else. |
| 08:32.54 | bobjohnston | i wont stop you |
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| 08:33.40 | EmleyMoor | I can't see why I'm getting the message about the Alias in line 242 - I can't see an earlier one with which it overlaps |
| 08:33.46 | Pelain | On September 12, 2006, he was struck by a car while riding a bicycle at night in Houston, Texas in a hit-and-run collision. He was not wearing a helmet.[4] After the collision, it was reported that he was hospitalized for several days. He died on September 16. |
| 08:34.14 | Pelain | Riding a bicycle on streets in North America is extremely dangerous. |
| 08:34.19 | Pelain | It is a disaster waiting to happen. |
| 08:34.21 | bobjohnston | nah |
| 08:34.25 | bobjohnston | you just gotta pay attention |
| 08:34.29 | Pelain | That is how we lost our network founder. |
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| 08:34.35 | SpeedyG | Pelain: they probably found his address because he didnt use tor ;) |
| 08:34.44 | bobjohnston | and watch out for drunks behind the wheel |
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| 08:35.12 | Pelain | If you ride a bicycle on streets in America, it is a matter of time before you die in a collision. |
| 08:35.15 | cahoot | and behind the kb |
| 08:35.19 | Pelain | This is what happened to Robert Levin. |
| 08:35.31 | bobjohnston | people ride bikes all the time |
| 08:35.37 | bobjohnston | they're not dying in record numbers |
| 08:35.38 | Pelain | bobjohnston, Not on city streets.' |
| 08:35.43 | bobjohnston | hah |
| 08:35.44 | Pelain | bobjohnston, It is safe to ride on sidewalks. |
| 08:35.48 | bobjohnston | ever been to the sf bay area? |
| 08:36.10 | SpeedyG | hm, america is all messed up.. not safe to ride on the street, swat teams busting doors for not using tor ... weird country that |
| 08:36.16 | mike-ekim | tells me: W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 08:36.35 | bobjohnston | they have a whole event called Critical Mass where everyone rides through the streets |
| 08:36.50 | bobjohnston | but they turned it into a big anti-car thing |
| 08:37.05 | bobjohnston | and a lot of them go around kicking dents in SUVs and stuff like that |
| 08:37.09 | EmleyMoor | Sorted apache2 at least for now |
| 08:37.12 | bobjohnston | california's full of wackos |
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| 08:37.33 | SpeedyG | bobjohnston: s/california/the\ usa/ |
| 08:37.36 | kmeyer | bobjohnston: it's not just in calfforina |
| 08:37.37 | kmeyer | yeah. |
| 08:37.41 | kmeyer | mytyping-- |
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| 08:38.50 | bobjohnston | rob levin should have worn a helmet |
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| 08:39.30 | EmleyMoor | My horde3 setup is telling me that the configuration backend is not available - how do I trace what that is and thereby work out how to make it available? |
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| 08:43.06 | bobjohnston | i never really liked robert levin that much |
| 08:43.20 | SpeedyG | bobjohnston: we just don't care |
| 08:43.22 | bobjohnston | i just can't respect people that beg for donations |
| 08:44.11 | bobjohnston | if i want to donate, i'll do it |
| 08:44.19 | bobjohnston | i don't need some guy telling me to "get those donations in" |
| 08:44.28 | bobjohnston | that makes me not want to donate |
| 08:44.44 | SpeedyG | bobjohnston: please take those issues elsewhere (#debian-offtopic for instance) |
| 08:45.07 | bobjohnston | SpeedyG: are you an op? |
| 08:45.28 | netdaemon | does it matter? |
| 08:45.29 | nsadmin | why does that matter? |
| 08:45.38 | SpeedyG | bobjohnston: no, thats why i'm politely asking, else i'd allready kick you out for continuously being offtopic. |
| 08:45.47 | bobjohnston | you were part of the discussion earlier |
| 08:45.58 | bobjohnston | so you should probably kick yourself while you're at it |
| 08:46.05 | SpeedyG | yes, but that discussion has ended allready, and I also told you that it actually didnt belong here. |
| 08:46.14 | bobjohnston | if you're not an op |
| 08:46.17 | bobjohnston | why are you acting like one? |
| 08:46.29 | SpeedyG | bobjohnston: i'm not |
| 08:46.38 | bobjohnston | im sure you don't appreciate being told what to do |
| 08:46.40 | beardy | bobjohnston: Just stop it right now, and take the advice, that you've already been given earlier. |
| 08:46.42 | SpeedyG | i'm just asking to obey the rules, as I'm doing right now |
| 08:46.48 | nsadmin | if you want an op, type this: !ops bobjohnson constant offtopic |
| 08:46.55 | bobjohnston | i dont go around bossing people around |
| 08:47.02 | bobjohnston | and i like being treated the same way |
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| 08:47.07 | SpeedyG | bobjohnston: neither do I, im' asking politely |
| 08:47.09 | cahoot | just bore them to death |
| 08:47.12 | nsadmin | no you don't |
| 08:48.07 | amphi | !sunday |
| 08:48.07 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 08:48.22 | nsadmin | oh that's right, it is sunday :) |
| 08:48.28 | bobjohnston | i dont really see the problem with being off topic |
| 08:48.29 | gnittor | hehehe |
| 08:48.35 | bobjohnston | anyone who needs help with debian can ask |
| 08:48.37 | Zider | global ignore day? |
| 08:48.42 | bobjohnston | and they'll still get an answer |
| 08:48.49 | amphi | bobjohnston: #debian-offtopic |
| 08:50.18 | bobjohnston | this just seems a bit anal-retentive |
| 08:50.43 | SpeedyG | !ops bobjohnson constant offtopic |
| 08:50.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: speedyg complains about: bobjohnson constant offtopic |
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| 08:51.35 | bobjohnston | !ops SpeedyG rudeness |
| 08:51.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: bobjohnston complains about: SpeedyG rudeness |
| 08:52.00 | nsadmin | SpeedyG: you're on that list |
| 08:52.08 | amphi | bobjohnston: after that penetrating psychological insight, can you please give it a rest? |
| 08:52.08 | SpeedyG | bobjohnston: that can also be seen as !ops abuse, which in general will get you kicked as well.. |
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| 08:52.18 | bobjohnston | thats not abuse |
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| 08:52.32 | SpeedyG | nsadmin: nope, i'm not |
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| 08:53.39 | dondelelcaro | if you don't have anything that's on topic for #debian, please utilize other channels instead. Telling people that they're off topic repeatedly isn't particularly on topic here either. |
| 08:53.48 | nsadmin | oh, you're right... it uncapsed you |
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| 08:55.52 | noboru | how do i check the version of a package is installed ? |
| 08:56.09 | beardy | !version |
| 08:56.09 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
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| 08:56.42 | MrWax | does anyone know how I can set the time on my linux root shell? |
| 08:56.49 | beardy | !set the time |
| 08:56.50 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 08:57.43 | MrWax | thanks |
| 08:57.44 | MrWax | will do |
| 08:57.47 | nsadmin | note however that the truely enlightened also needs a good always-on net connection |
| 08:57.58 | MrWax | it is |
| 08:58.05 | MrWax | colocated webserver |
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| 08:58.49 | nsadmin | oh, you could also use a dns server installed there to make resolving faster (for the logs, for one thing) |
| 09:00.01 | MrWax | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:01.28 | nsadmin | pick a dns software, and use apt-get to install it... maybe bind9 |
| 09:02.28 | nsadmin | you're not after its ability to be authoritatove over a domain, you just want it to cache |
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| 09:03.04 | amphi | if you just want caching, dnsmasq might be suitable |
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| 09:03.17 | MrWax | ok sec |
| 09:03.35 | amphi | it works well IME |
| 09:03.42 | nsadmin | dnsmasq just forwards doesn't it? |
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| 09:05.02 | amphi | nsadmin: and caches |
| 09:05.59 | nsadmin | that should improve log performance a little |
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| 09:07.11 | nsadmin | unless you told your logging to not resolve names |
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| 09:08.44 | noboru | i have a question,how come the entire cpu usage is now only 24% in the meantime a single process is stated as 90% ? |
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| 09:09.29 | noboru | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.32 | noboru | 18276 root 25 0 13752 11m 1592 R 98 0.3 1:39.10 awstats.pl |
| 09:09.38 | noboru | and ... |
| 09:09.46 | noboru | Cpu(s): 27.7%us, |
| 09:09.52 | noboru | any clue ? :) |
| 09:10.06 | JPT | mhh... is that a multicore-cpu system ? |
| 09:10.27 | JPT | if you're using top, press 1 to switch between cpu-usage display mode |
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| 09:11.20 | JPT | i've got a dualcore-cpu here and some applications get up to 102% cpu usage... |
| 09:11.22 | JPT | :) |
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| 09:12.06 | amphi | JPT: I try to get over 180% on large compiles ;) |
| 09:12.18 | JPT | hehe |
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| 09:26.12 | EmleyMoor | How do I unjam a menu on the gnome-desktop? |
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| 09:27.40 | MrWax | I always had a .screenrc config where the names of the screens I'm currently using where at the bottom of the screen |
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| 09:27.48 | MrWax | same as for time and the host system I'm on |
| 09:27.53 | EmleyMoor | My applications menu is stuck on and in the way - nothing on that bar works |
| 09:27.54 | MrWax | Does anyone have such .screenrc file |
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| 09:36.37 | Nik0z | hi |
| 09:36.56 | Nik0z | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.16 | nmh_2Grajw | MrWax: you mean, like c-a c-w , but always |
| 09:37.39 | MrWax | nmh_2Grajw: yes |
| 09:37.46 | Nik0z | i would like set up a proxy derver that is able to tunnel TCP connections |
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| 09:37.55 | Nik0z | is it possible? |
| 09:38.12 | MrWax | nmh_2Grajw: that would be fantastic, combined with the current time and host |
| 09:38.34 | mac123 | hi i need help with pure-ftd on debian i have installed it but cant login |
| 09:39.28 | nmh_2Grajw | MrWax: I don't know much, but google(screenrc) gave http://erdelynet.com/tech/openbsd/my-gnu-screen-config/ |
| 09:39.44 | nmh_2Grajw | MrWax: I think the interesting item for you is "hardstatus" |
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| 09:41.58 | MrWax | nmh_2Grajw: yes, that's what I need :) |
| 09:42.01 | MrWax | thanks |
| 09:42.05 | nmh_2Grajw | anytime |
| 09:42.07 | MrWax | probably would want some other colors |
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| 09:43.26 | nmh_2Grajw | if you are still talking about screenrc, http://www4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~jnweiger/screen-faq.html |
| 09:43.38 | MrWax | yea |
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| 09:49.47 | nmh_2Grajw | MrWax: also, you might like http://osdir.com/ml/gnu.screen.user/2004-08/msg00004.html |
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| 09:51.17 | MrWax | sec |
| 09:51.20 | MrWax | thanks |
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| 10:05.55 | hatter | does rsync have a file size limitation ? |
| 10:07.50 | acemi | --max-size |
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| 10:10.11 | hatter | acemi, that sets a size , I am trying to rsync a 9Gb file, rsync is reporting no space left on device |
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| 10:10.31 | nmh_2Grajw | and there is space left? |
| 10:10.41 | hatter | yes, plenty |
| 10:10.42 | acemi | I think this not relative with rsync |
| 10:10.54 | hatter | all the other files rsync fine |
| 10:10.56 | acemi | relative/releated |
| 10:11.08 | hatter | ext3 |
| 10:11.25 | hatter | rsync: writefd_unbuffered failed to write 4 bytes [sender]: Broken pipe (32) |
| 10:11.43 | hatter | rsync: write failed on "/media/usbdisk/virtualmachines/Windows XP Professional 9gig-flat.vmdk": No space left on device (28) |
| 10:14.33 | nmh_2Grajw | have you tried anything else? (like cp or cat) |
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| 10:14.56 | alturiak | hatter: do you know when it fails? somewhere around 2 gig maybe? :) |
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| 10:15.36 | hatter | alturiak, i will investigate |
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| 10:17.05 | cromag | i need to be pointed to where network-manager for gnome stores it info. I remember there is some files where it stores the networks. |
| 10:18.32 | cahoot | cromag: somewhere deep under ~/.gnome IIRC |
| 10:19.08 | cromag | oh, i think your right yes. |
| 10:19.10 | cromag | thanks. |
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| 10:21.55 | sousuke | may be a silly question: I have screen in multiple window in 1 screen by using ctrl+a S |
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| 10:22.27 | sousuke | but it says if you want to go to the other window u should use ctrl + tab but that doesn't work ... |
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| 10:24.23 | alturiak | try Ctrl+a n to cycle or Ctrl+a <number> to address another window directly |
| 10:24.54 | cahoot | screen vs window manager? |
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| 10:25.19 | MrWax | any links users around? |
| 10:25.28 | acemi | ctrl+a " for windows list |
| 10:25.30 | alexbodn | hello friends. i wish to set a package dependency to work with kernels 2.6.23 or higher, any architecture. how could this be set? |
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| 10:25.45 | sousuke | I got 2 but they are the screens above |
| 10:25.55 | sousuke | beneath it's only -- so no screen |
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| 10:35.00 | acemi | sousuke: after changing the window with ctrl+a tab use ctrl+a " to choose a window |
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| 10:41.11 | ephracis | I am having A LOT of problems doing something as simple as setting up a _working_ ftp server on Debian 4.0. vsftpd gives me chroot errors (googling the error gives just more people with the same problem, but no solutions), proftpd just gives me plain login failure (I've tried both local and anon, but I prefer anon), I also tried something called pure-ftp but that one failed directly at installation, strangly enough. |
| 10:41.39 | ephracis | Please, in RedHat and Ubuntu I just install the ftp server and it works, no configuration needed if I don't want to. Is that impossible on debian? |
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| 10:43.11 | extor | I keep doing an apt-get install -f but my packages still seemed messed up and I can't install wine |
| 10:43.12 | acemi | I just installed pure-ftpd and it works |
| 10:44.01 | ephracis | shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
| 10:44.16 | extor | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 10:44.17 | ephracis | After just "apt-get install pure-ftpd" and then "/etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start" |
| 10:44.22 | MrWax | how does ln -s work again? |
| 10:44.24 | MrWax | ln -s source target? |
| 10:44.32 | hoxu | extor, your sources.list and the full command + output, /msg dpkg paste |
| 10:44.47 | hoxu | MrWax, man ln |
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| 10:45.29 | hoxu | MrWax, the first form |
| 10:46.05 | acemi | ephracis: did you delete your current directory? say cd before apt-get |
| 10:46.17 | MrWax | hoxu: ok |
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| 10:46.22 | martin` | Hello |
| 10:46.41 | pflanze | (Anyone with an account on wiki.debconf.org? The last commit on http://wiki.debconf.org/action/history/DebConf8/Streams is spam) |
| 10:46.58 | ephracis | acemi: haha, you made me feel like a moron.. still when pure-ftpd is started I can't get any connections to it.. |
| 10:46.59 | martin` | Someone knows how to 'lock' user in ProFTPd inside their home directory? so they cannot access /? |
| 10:47.01 | ephracis | It just times out. |
| 10:47.33 | hoxu | martin`, you probably want to search the documentation for "chroot", "virtual chroot", or "jail" |
| 10:47.40 | martin` | Thank you |
| 10:47.50 | ephracis | "service not available, remote server has closed the connection" |
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| 10:50.54 | martin` | hoxu Thanks, it was that easy. :) |
| 10:51.08 | webmind-org | Debian is running fine, for a long time ........... |
| 10:51.11 | extor | hoxy how about pastebin? |
| 10:52.50 | orgthingy | <3 debian |
| 10:53.16 | orgthingy | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu < haha, HAHAHAAHA |
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| 10:53.41 | extor | orgthingy ? |
| 10:54.05 | orgthingy | extor : nah, i remembered a joke, nvm |
| 10:57.12 | webmind-org | !lenny |
| 10:57.13 | dpkg | i guess lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>. |
| 10:57.47 | webmind-org | !wwlr |
| 10:57.48 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
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| 10:58.53 | webmind-org | So next month it's time for Lenny. Great guys and girls those debian people. |
| 10:59.47 | webmind-org | !etch->lenny |
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| 11:00.53 | hoxu | !msg the bot |
| 11:00.53 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 11:01.42 | MrWax | how can I delete a program with apt-get? |
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| 11:02.11 | pngwn | MrWax, man apt-get |
| 11:02.14 | ephracis | MrWax: apt-get remove |
| 11:02.27 | ephracis | apt-get remove --purge may also come in handy. |
| 11:02.42 | pngwn | or he could read the docs |
| 11:03.22 | ephracis | pngwn: or, we could help him get started.. |
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| 11:04.19 | pngwn | pointing him toward the documentation so he can help himself is more helpful...imo |
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| 11:05.02 | ephracis | pngwn: still, always pointing to docs and reading material can be bad too and scare users away.. I belive a good balance between the two is the best practise. |
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| 11:06.43 | hoxu | yes, a good balance means taking a very tight grip of the manual and slamming it on the luser's forehead |
| 11:06.54 | hoxu | some of that information is bound to stick. |
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| 11:07.27 | ephracis | hoxu: haha. :) |
| 11:07.47 | hoxu | also, don't use apt-get, prefer aptitude: |
| 11:07.48 | hoxu | !why aptitude |
| 11:07.49 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 11:18.22 | webmind-org | It's a nice thingy autoremove in apt-get. |
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| 11:25.02 | checkers | hi, I'm running lenny and would like to use one package from sid. How can I do this without upgrading my system to sid? |
| 11:26.07 | hoxu | !upgrade path |
| 11:26.07 | dpkg | it has been said that upgrade path is install <stable> first, then use <backports.org> if you need newer software, then maybe <simple sid backport>, upgrade to <testing>, use <pinning>, and when you want to abandon all hope, go for <unstable> |
| 11:26.15 | hoxu | checkers, /msg dpkg pinning |
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| 11:26.36 | hoxu | checkers, and be careful |
| 11:26.50 | master_alvaro | wtf? |
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| 11:27.03 | master_alvaro | split? |
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| 11:29.10 | checkers | hoxu: thanks for the tips |
| 11:31.00 | sousuke | acemi: thx :) that was it :) |
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| 11:35.19 | phlygmora | Celia - I checked, there is no mod showing at all |
| 11:36.14 | martin` | I want to setup apache2 that every user has a www directory. What's the best way to do this? I don't want the user to be able to look into each others directorys |
| 11:36.44 | phlygmora | it's not picking it up- sorry, redo ? or repost maybe ? I was afk |
| 11:36.54 | phlygmora | oh god, is Celia even here |
| 11:37.04 | phlygmora | scrolls down |
| 11:37.09 | phlygmora | augh! nm - sry folks |
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| 11:40.10 | pae | hello |
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| 11:40.45 | webmind-org | martin goto webmind.org there is a howto. |
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| 11:41.29 | martin` | Thank you |
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| 11:41.46 | phlygmora | well 818 people can't be wrong |
| 11:41.59 | php6th | i disagree |
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| 11:42.44 | phlygmora | well, ok, if you're saying 818 people can't be right either |
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| 11:43.16 | f00li5h | any number of people can be wrong. |
| 11:43.17 | phlygmora | on that note, I'm going to go start some intallations and retire |
| 11:43.27 | phlygmora | f00li5h capped it ! |
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| 11:44.55 | martin` | Mhm.. There's no such tutorial on webmind :s |
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| 11:47.47 | SpeedyG | martin`: best way imo is to use the userdir mod |
| 11:48.31 | martin` | SpeedyG But then I have to change the userrights that also other can read / execute, and then the user can read each others directories |
| 11:48.32 | SpeedyG | that way, every user can get a directory in his own homedir, and put anything it it |
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| 11:48.38 | MrWax | Is it always good to regulary do "apt-get update" to have all latest updates? Or are there better ways? |
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| 11:50.14 | php6th | ye |
| 11:50.32 | SpeedyG | MrWax: depends, on stable that might be safe, on unstable/testing.. not sure |
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| 11:51.29 | SpeedyG | martin`: what do you mean ? |
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| 11:56.23 | KyleNeedsHelp | hello i know this is actually not the right place to ask a question concerning ubuntu. but it seems that the ubuntu support cannot help me. |
| 11:56.40 | KyleNeedsHelp | is it possible to install ubuntu on faikraid ? |
| 11:57.00 | KyleNeedsHelp | maybe you guys are more experienced ... .. |
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| 11:57.14 | liable | debian can, ubuntu's installer is completely different |
| 11:57.37 | KyleNeedsHelp | how tricky is it to install debian on faikraid ? |
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| 11:58.07 | KyleNeedsHelp | and does the southbridge chip matters ? (ICH10R) |
| 11:58.11 | liable | it can be frustrating actually. the installer isnt as user friendly in that respect as it could be |
| 11:58.11 | Zider | you mean FAKEraid (softwareraid)? |
| 11:58.41 | KyleNeedsHelp | yes hardware supported software raid aka faikraid |
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| 11:59.21 | Zider | aka fakeraid :P |
| 11:59.22 | amphi | KyleNeedsHelp: 'fake' not 'faik' |
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| 12:00.22 | KyleNeedsHelp | im really tiered .... havent slept the last 30 hours and was trying to install ubuntu on fake raid for the last 10 hours ,... so sry |
| 12:00.59 | KyleNeedsHelp | i need to use fakeraid because i have vista also installed |
| 12:01.38 | KyleNeedsHelp | someone can tell me howto do it ... well i actually know it (theoretically ^^ ) |
| 12:01.52 | KyleNeedsHelp | or has a nice tutorial for debian ? |
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| 12:03.20 | f00li5h | KyleNeedsHelp: have you tried asking on #ubuntu? |
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| 12:04.46 | KyleNeedsHelp | on #kubuntu, #ubuntu, #ubuntu-server, i would not be so mad to come here and ask the debian community something about ubuntu if there were other choices ,.. |
| 12:05.17 | KyleNeedsHelp | but im fine with debian if it JUST works somehow |
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| 12:07.11 | f00li5h | i'm somewhat confused, why does windows require you using fake raid? |
| 12:07.13 | liable | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#di-partition go down to 6.3.2.3 |
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| 12:08.31 | KyleNeedsHelp | well my hardware setup is design to use 2x wd raptor for harddisk performance ,.... and it works fine with vista, no problems |
| 12:08.44 | KyleNeedsHelp | and now i would like to use it with linux |
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| 12:09.17 | f00li5h | so you've got 2 disks... but not raid hardware? |
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| 12:09.55 | Arrowmaster | and your using raid0 for preformance increase without a hardware raid controller? |
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| 12:10.31 | KyleNeedsHelp | yes |
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| 12:10.39 | KyleNeedsHelp | cpu got to do it all |
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| 12:11.32 | KyleNeedsHelp | good hardware raid contollers are expensive ... |
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| 12:11.45 | f00li5h | yeah, but crap ones aren't ;) |
| 12:12.01 | KyleNeedsHelp | ... :) |
| 12:12.27 | DynV | I've been using bluefish but I'd like something that autocomplete main (html, css, php, ...) functions and/or internal ones, whatcould be used that's more interactive ? |
| 12:12.31 | f00li5h | to be honist, i'm just stalling until someone who knwos about raid rocks up |
| 12:13.02 | f00li5h | DynV: vim will do that for you, you can feed it a word list to add to tab-completle |
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| 12:13.39 | DynV | f00li5h: cool, will it also show the arguments of that function ? |
| 12:13.56 | f00li5h | no, that's what php.net is for ... |
| 12:14.10 | KyleNeedsHelp | so no one can help me and has made some experiences with fakeraid ? |
| 12:14.35 | f00li5h | KyleNeedsHelp: the only raid I do is on the fridge at about 0400, when I can't sleep |
| 12:14.41 | DynV | f00li5h: oh, I've been imressed by dreamweaver that I had to use at my job |
| 12:14.46 | Arrowmaster | KyleNeedsHelp: what exactly are you wanting to do? read your windows raid? |
| 12:15.38 | KyleNeedsHelp | no just installing linux on software raid using ICH10R as southbridge |
| 12:15.40 | f00li5h | DynV: i've never been impressed by dreamweaver... the html it generates is terrible... learn CSS and you won't need a WYSIWYG editor for html at all |
| 12:16.13 | DynV | f00li5h: I'm *NOT* using it's WYSIWYG ! |
| 12:16.25 | f00li5h | DynV: oh, then what is it good for? |
| 12:16.30 | php6th | f00li5h: you cant compete with a dreamweaver, its more productive |
| 12:16.31 | DynV | f00li5h: it's IDE |
| 12:16.35 | f00li5h | i thought that was like, the only good part of it |
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| 12:17.07 | DynV | php6th: got recommendations for a free editor ? |
| 12:17.15 | php6th | gvim |
| 12:17.32 | KyleNeedsHelp | ^^ |
| 12:17.35 | DynV | php6th: it shows the arguments too ? |
| 12:17.38 | f00li5h | DynV: what does IDE entail? a text editor and what? |
| 12:18.09 | php6th | DynV: yeah.. i replaced , Ms Word, dreamweaver, photoshop, irc, notepad for ... gvim |
| 12:18.14 | OpenTokix | f00li5h: usually its project management, hooks into compilers etc. |
| 12:18.14 | DynV | f00li5h: showing the function arguments ... |
| 12:18.15 | Arrowmaster | KyleNeedsHelp: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=408461 |
| 12:18.30 | f00li5h | DynV: so, an IDE is a text editor and perldoc? |
| 12:18.45 | bolt | f00li5h: Integrated Development Environment |
| 12:18.55 | DynV | f00li5h: I'd have to know perldoc ... |
| 12:18.57 | php6th | perl is arcaic |
| 12:18.58 | f00li5h | bolt: what does that /mean/ though? |
| 12:19.06 | f00li5h | DynV: perldoc is the docs for perl... |
| 12:19.25 | f00li5h | php6th: get back in your 100-char-long spagheti coded box |
| 12:19.27 | jelly-home | f00li5h: integrated project builder; UI builder; test harness; knowledge of syntax, completion, lookup of function/method declarations/definitions in different files |
| 12:19.50 | bolt | f00li5h: a workbench for developing code of some sort, commonly including a text editor with syntax highlighting, autocorrection, several shortcuts, easily accessible help, a compiler, +++ |
| 12:19.54 | f00li5h | jelly-home: oh, so an editor and a shell! |
| 12:20.06 | bolt | f00li5h: think Visual Studio as a heavy, bloated one |
| 12:20.09 | DynV | bolt: right on ! |
| 12:20.11 | php6th | come on, perl does nice, but you need 50 people to mantain a web application, vs, 1 php programmer |
| 12:20.21 | jelly-home | f00li5h: you seem to be missing the "integrated" bit |
| 12:20.25 | KyleNeedsHelp | @ Arrowmaster: thank you .... will read that before asking further questions |
| 12:20.25 | f00li5h | php6th: cites please |
| 12:20.39 | f00li5h | jelly-home: you can run your editor from the shell |
| 12:20.50 | php6th | perl code is simple unmaintainable |
| 12:20.52 | f00li5h | you can shell back out from the editor... full integraiton |
| 12:21.00 | f00li5h | php6th: then you're doing it wrong. |
| 12:21.06 | f00li5h | there is no langauge that forces maintainable code. |
| 12:21.13 | bolt | and yes, the integrated bit is that all of it comes in one bunch, or at least functions together through the same interface once set up correctly |
| 12:21.26 | jelly-home | f00li5h: have fun imposing your smartassness on someone who cares |
| 12:21.36 | php6th | perl is good for hacking and server side thingies, thats all, should be used for big things |
| 12:21.39 | f00li5h | jelly-home: i'll remove you from the list then |
| 12:22.00 | OpenTokix | f00li5h: Ask you question on /. and then you can troll and flame all you want |
| 12:22.01 | f00li5h | php6th: i'm going to leave it here, because it's religious. |
| 12:22.01 | php6th | perl shouldnt be used for big things |
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| 12:22.20 | jelly-home | php6th: if you write perl (or any language) using a bit of common sense, it can be readable, and what's more important, maintainable |
| 12:22.26 | moshii | php6th: why not? |
| 12:22.26 | bolt | f00li5h: it's a definition, which nobody here intends to discuss and/or change |
| 12:23.24 | Arrowmaster | perl, like most other programming languages, tends to be more readable and maintainable when you restrain yourself from trying to make all the code fit on a single line |
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| 12:23.25 | KyleNeedsHelp | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.39 | Arrowmaster | KyleNeedsHelp: wont happen |
| 12:23.46 | jelly-home | php6th: for some decent tips, see eg. Perl Best Practice |
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| 12:23.56 | bolt | Arrowmaster: a single-line perl program does look cool, however :P |
| 12:24.03 | moshii | KyleNeedsHelp: raid1 would be faster than raid0 |
| 12:24.10 | KyleNeedsHelp | ? |
| 12:24.16 | KyleNeedsHelp | ????? |
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| 12:24.50 | OpenTokix | moshii: not wuite - radi1 is as fast as raid0 for reading, but fast as a single disk for writing |
| 12:24.50 | KyleNeedsHelp | @ moshii: raid 1 faster than raid 0? |
| 12:25.02 | OpenTokix | KyleNeedsHelp: you can mix a sw-raid between os:es |
| 12:25.11 | OpenTokix | KyleNeedsHelp: can == can't |
| 12:25.18 | OpenTokix | KyleNeedsHelp: you can't, I mean to say |
| 12:25.20 | moshii | OpenTokix: yeah, but you should have more reads than writes :) |
| 12:25.28 | DynV | bolt: got a IDE recommendation for debian ? |
| 12:25.30 | OpenTokix | moshii: depends on the application |
| 12:25.46 | OpenTokix | moshii: one of my systems I am looking at right now, write about 10G logfiles/day =) |
| 12:25.52 | php6th | perl programs with 1 line? heh... he he |
| 12:25.57 | moshii | KyleNeedsHelp: you can't share software raids between oses though,.. |
| 12:26.02 | bolt | DynV: sorry, no. i only use vim. most of my coding is done at work, where I have to use Visual Studio on Vista anyway |
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| 12:26.13 | php6th | let us just remove Perl repositories from debian |
| 12:26.17 | moshii | OpenTokix: The writes have to be scattered across multiple volumes then |
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| 12:26.28 | DynV | bolt: similar here, dreamweaver on XP ... |
| 12:26.29 | jelly-home | php6th: stop trolling, please |
| 12:26.30 | f00li5h | php6th: and use php as the glue for our unix! |
| 12:26.30 | OpenTokix | moshii: wich is won't on raid1 |
| 12:26.31 | f00li5h | perfect |
| 12:26.34 | OpenTokix | moshii: no, a single drive |
| 12:26.39 | OpenTokix | moshii: 10G/day, not second =) |
| 12:26.47 | moshii | OpenTokix: yeah, I get that ;) |
| 12:26.52 | KyleNeedsHelp | @ moshi: yes i know thats why i want to install it on fakeraid using a ICH10R southbridge supporting raid 0 configuration |
| 12:27.04 | moshii | php6th: you can remove the perl packages if you want |
| 12:27.08 | Arrowmaster | KyleNeedsHelp: you cant, since thats a software raid |
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| 12:27.15 | DynV | is installing Eclipse |
| 12:27.28 | KyleNeedsHelp | software raid != fakeraid ! |
| 12:27.29 | moshii | KyleNeedsHelp: you'll need to setup a hardware array |
| 12:27.33 | bolt | DynV: we've used IntelliJ IDEA on a few projects for Java, and that's cross-platform, so for Java, I can heartily recommend it. all my C coding at home is simple enough for vim, though. just making small 50-line programs to help me maintain stuff :) |
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| 12:27.41 | Arrowmaster | fakeraid is a software raid |
| 12:28.00 | KyleNeedsHelp | bios supported software raid |
| 12:28.04 | OpenTokix | KyleNeedsHelp: I can suggest the ARC-1200 but then you have to run Debian Lenny |
| 12:28.08 | KyleNeedsHelp | it is a difference |
| 12:28.16 | OpenTokix | KyleNeedsHelp: yeah, it is - but it still does not work |
| 12:28.19 | bolt | KyleNeedsHelp: "supported" as in BIOS says there's supposed to be a software raid here |
| 12:28.37 | bolt | KyleNeedsHelp: it's fine to use fakeraid for Win and software raid on Lin at the same time |
| 12:28.38 | DynV | bolt: I've done C# at some place, it's not bad ! what you're doing with VS ? |
| 12:28.39 | Arrowmaster | its still all done in software |
| 12:28.54 | bolt | DynV: game development |
| 12:28.55 | OpenTokix | KyleNeedsHelp: I think pretty much anyone in this channel have been banging head against that one, at one point in time |
| 12:28.58 | KyleNeedsHelp | it works somehow i even read that it is possible to mount a windows partition using fakeraid |
| 12:29.04 | DynV | bolt: what language ? |
| 12:29.07 | php6th | how do you maintains an perl app of 200k lines with vim? |
| 12:29.14 | bolt | DynV: C++, mostly |
| 12:29.21 | DynV | bolt: cool ! |
| 12:29.29 | moshii | Arrowmaster: if the fakeraid implementation works the same as intels version.. it should work |
| 12:29.32 | bolt | php6th: you don't |
| 12:29.33 | OpenTokix | KyleNeedsHelp: you have two options 1. buy a read raid-card 2. buy two more drives and have one raid1/0 for each OS |
| 12:29.49 | OpenTokix | Damn, I can't write |
| 12:29.53 | OpenTokix | read == real |
| 12:30.12 | f00li5h | php6th: you have good API's on your modules/objects, so that when you write code in terms of them it's obvious what's happening |
| 12:30.26 | bolt | KyleNeedsHelp: fakeraid is all about just detecting that the bios wants you to setup a software raid. some distributions support this out of the box. debian doesn't, afaik. you can setup the software raid on your own, however. it'll be fine. |
| 12:30.30 | f00li5h | php6th: also, you can use folds to give you an overview of the structure of the code |
| 12:30.40 | moshii | php6th: how do you manage 200k lines of code in *any* language? |
| 12:30.42 | jelly-home | f00li5h, php6th: please take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 12:31.20 | KyleNeedsHelp | omg ... ... i am that confused now |
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| 12:31.28 | OpenTokix | KyleNeedsHelp: why? |
| 12:31.32 | moshii | bolt: is fakeraid compatiable with the intel windows drivers then? |
| 12:31.50 | KyleNeedsHelp | fakeraid works fine with vista |
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| 12:32.14 | bolt | moshii: While not remembering completely the process I went through to get it working, I used to have a dualboot debian/xp setup with a mirrored fakeraid on my old workstation |
| 12:32.23 | bolt | moshii: and yes, that was intel |
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| 12:32.30 | arj__ | does anyone know where I can get the options documentation for ps2pdf? |
| 12:32.32 | moshii | KyleNeedsHelp: if the format on the disks is the same between windows and debian it should work |
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| 12:32.40 | php6th | Vista? whats that |
| 12:33.04 | bolt | php6th: try google. you'll figure it out |
| 12:33.21 | KyleNeedsHelp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista |
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| 12:33.36 | KyleNeedsHelp | its the newest os from apple |
| 12:33.41 | DynV | :) |
| 12:33.41 | bolt | ... |
| 12:33.57 | php6th | i knew Jobs was a jerk |
| 12:34.00 | moshii | bolt: Well, i was looking it up and fakeraid appears to be intels pseudo hardware raid that needs software.. if the format on disk is the same it wouldn't be a problem :) |
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| 12:34.20 | bolt | Vista is a scientific experiment testing the viability of using a full barfbag as an operating system. |
| 12:34.28 | KyleNeedsHelp | moshii what do u mean by format ? |
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| 12:35.02 | f00li5h | the bag is only full on small business premium |
| 12:35.04 | elusive_ | what is a good program for wireless cards ? |
| 12:35.19 | KyleNeedsHelp | kismet |
| 12:35.27 | KyleNeedsHelp | ^^ |
| 12:35.27 | moshii | KyleNeedsHelp: the structure of the data written to the disks. All the software raid stuff is going to use different formats, thats why you can't mix and match |
| 12:35.41 | Stskeeps | hmm. what could cause fsck to be unable to open a block device (rootfs, mounted read only ext3), open(path, O_RDONLY|O_EXCL) returns EBUSY - this is in scenario where fs was unmounted uncleanly and happens in lenny checkroot. I also have udev installed (no automounting at all), and the bug only surfaces when udev is installed. |
| 12:35.49 | moshii | elusive_: depends what you want to do with it/them |
| 12:35.53 | elusive_ | heh yea i heard of kismet before |
| 12:35.55 | elusive_ | but |
| 12:36.12 | elusive_ | im just tryin to get a simple wireless program for connecting to a dedicated network/access point |
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| 12:36.27 | jelly-home | Stskeeps: what is the path to your device? |
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| 12:36.31 | elusive_ | a frontend for the iwconfig etc commands |
| 12:36.34 | KyleNeedsHelp | Knetworkmanager e.g. |
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| 12:36.55 | Stskeeps | jelly-home: /dev/mmcblk1p2 in this case (running on armel) - it also fails on /lib/init/rw/rootdev |
| 12:36.59 | moshii | elusive_: network-manager and a front end then |
| 12:37.11 | Stskeeps | (which is same major,minor) |
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| 12:37.50 | jelly-home | Stskeeps: hm; and /proc/mounts says it's not mounted anywhere? |
| 12:38.06 | Stskeeps | jelly-home: it's mounted read only just fine on / |
| 12:38.10 | moshii | Is it possible to do anything useful with a TPM? |
| 12:38.11 | Stskeeps | no other mounts |
| 12:38.29 | elusive_ | hm |
| 12:38.36 | KyleNeedsHelp | try using wlassistant |
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| 12:38.43 | elusive_ | seems its already installed but i cannot find it |
| 12:38.49 | elusive_ | network-manager-gnome |
| 12:38.51 | Stskeeps | jelly-home: and if i dpkg --remove udev, it works fine, which baffles me |
| 12:39.07 | KyleNeedsHelp | or search urslf using "apt-cache wireless | grep front" |
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| 12:39.28 | KyleNeedsHelp | "apt-cache search wireless | grep front" |
| 12:39.31 | litb | hello all |
| 12:39.33 | Stskeeps | jelly-home: (replicating by forcing a unclean umount) |
| 12:39.47 | litb | a friend of mine wants to download .deb from a repository, including its dependencies |
| 12:40.05 | litb | using a computer that has internet, for a computer that does not yet have internet |
| 12:40.11 | litb | what is the command for this ? |
| 12:40.32 | litb | oh i see he is going to join here. |
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| 12:40.36 | KyleNeedsHelp | moshii: do u think it is possible to use a fakeraid for windows and a software raid for linux ? |
| 12:40.41 | KyleNeedsHelp | to have dual boot ? |
| 12:40.53 | Stskeeps | jelly-home: and lsof says nothing has the device open, and nothing in write mode on the partition |
| 12:41.17 | elusive_ | how can i stop apt-get for asking for the cd? |
| 12:41.18 | elusive_ | heh |
| 12:41.29 | jelly-home | Stskeeps: I'm most puzzled by the udev bit :) |
| 12:41.34 | moshii | KyleNeedsHelp: bolt said he had done it, so apparently so |
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| 12:41.37 | blubberdiblub | Stskeeps, what does this output: grep ' / ' /proc/mounts |
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| 12:42.06 | KyleNeedsHelp | vim /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:42.08 | jelly-home | elusive_: comment or remove the deb line for the cd in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 12:42.21 | KyleNeedsHelp | edit this and set the source to ur choice |
| 12:42.31 | moshii | KyleNeedsHelp: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto -- an ubuntu howto, maybe you can work from that |
| 12:43.16 | KyleNeedsHelp | i allready know that page |
| 12:43.16 | elusive_ | thx |
| 12:43.16 | Stskeeps | blubberdiblub: two items, rootfs / rootfs and the /dev/mmcblk1p2 / ext3 - i should probably mention this is started through a pivot_root linuxrc, where i'm sure that nothing is locking it before this |
| 12:43.40 | jelly-home | Stskeeps: that's pretty much the norm for a debian initramfs |
| 12:43.43 | KyleNeedsHelp | elusive: u just need to uncomment and comment some lines ..... .with # u comment a line |
| 12:44.03 | hrniels | hi...is there an easy way to get a debian-package including all dependencies independend of wether my system already has the packages? because i need the packages for another system (I don't have an internet-connection there).. |
| 12:44.09 | moshii | KyleNeedsHelp: fakeraid seems to be like a winmodem for raids though :\ |
| 12:44.35 | KyleNeedsHelp | u r a god in giving me hope |
| 12:44.38 | KyleNeedsHelp | ^^ |
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| 12:44.59 | jelly-home | KyleNeedsHelp: you said you use raid0... how often do you make backups? :-) |
| 12:45.01 | Stskeeps | jelly-home: and it wonders me even more than when fs is cleanly unmounted, it fscks just fine and can open it O_RDONLY|O_EXCL |
| 12:45.33 | KyleNeedsHelp | backup ? is this a new programm ? |
| 12:45.40 | KyleNeedsHelp | is it stable ? |
| 12:45.47 | moshii | KyleNeedsHelp: well, software raid in linux can be done with partitions, so you can raid0 debian and windows doesnt need to know |
| 12:45.47 | jelly-home | !raid0 |
| 12:45.47 | dpkg | hmm... raid0 is the wrong choice, the worst solution of several options to solve the same problem (see lvm). It is also a misnomer, since the R of RAID is for Redundant, and RAID0 isn't. http://bash.org/?854608 |
| 12:46.09 | Stskeeps | jelly-home: kernelwise it's a 2.6.21 but i can't find any mentions in changelogs since about changes to the O_EXCL stuff for block devices later |
| 12:46.25 | litb | !get packages |
| 12:46.28 | litb | oO |
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| 12:46.40 | jelly-home | Stskeeps: I can't help there, because I know not of how e2fsck normally operates. |
| 12:46.48 | Stskeeps | jelly-home: alright, thanks anyway |
| 12:47.03 | jelly-home | Stskeeps: ext3-users list would help with that bit of the mystery |
| 12:47.32 | noboru | hi guys,is there a tool for debian sarge to throttle bandwidth ? |
| 12:47.43 | KyleNeedsHelp | another question .... i configured grub and when i want to boot i get the error cannot find /dev/mapper/......Volume01 (my raid volume) .... what can be the mistake ? |
| 12:47.59 | moshii | noboru: iptables |
| 12:48.22 | jelly-home | KyleNeedsHelp: you can't have /boot on a lv |
| 12:48.27 | noboru | huh ? iptables ? |
| 12:48.50 | moshii | noboru: you can do throttling using iptables |
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| 12:49.14 | moshii | jelly-home: not with grub at least. lilo works :) |
| 12:49.25 | jelly-home | orly! |
| 12:49.35 | jelly-home | well then, his path seems clear |
| 12:49.45 | noboru | moshii, would you find me any documentation about it ? |
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| 12:50.26 | moshii | noboru: what do you want to do with throttling? there are some scripts that'll help you depending on what you want to do |
| 12:50.37 | blubberdiblub | grub2 should now be able to boot from logical volumes, too |
| 12:51.01 | moshii | blubberdiblub: the grub image can't be in the lvm though iirc |
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| 12:51.26 | jelly-home | blubberdiblub: I'll leave the helping with setup of grub2 in your expert hands, then |
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| 12:52.01 | blubberdiblub | moshii, the grub image is installed to the free space between the partition table and the first partition through grub-install |
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| 12:52.33 | moshii | blubberdiblub: mmm that means you need to have that free space there though |
| 12:53.09 | blubberdiblub | moshii, yep. usual setups set that up to about 31 blocks. but you can of course make it large if you plan your partitioning accordingly ;) |
| 12:53.24 | moshii | blubberdiblub: I put boot on lvm by mistake, so I'm stuck with lilo until I can get a loader that'll go in my efi partition |
| 12:53.25 | blubberdiblub | moshii, sorry, i meant 62 blocks |
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| 12:53.54 | jelly-home | Stskeeps: also ##kernel might provide some assistance |
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| 12:54.15 | jelly-home | ... I'm assuming it isn't an arch-specific bug |
| 12:54.23 | blubberdiblub | moshii, well, one has to make sure the lvm module is included into core.img, tho, so it is available early in ggrub2's startup |
| 12:54.33 | blubberdiblub | -g |
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| 12:54.56 | moshii | blubberdiblub: yeah, I got that far with it, then discovered I have nowhere for the core.img to go :/ |
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| 12:56.16 | blubberdiblub | moshii, yeah, that's a common problem. the free space is usually very tight. the grub developers are working hard to keep everything as small as possible, but you know, it's not that easy, you either have to compromise space efficiency or functionality |
| 12:56.20 | moshii | blubberdiblub: I'm holding out for an efi grub that works.. then I can get rid of my multi stage bootup (firmware, refit, lilo, debian) |
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| 12:56.45 | KyleNeedsHelp | moshii: it is possible to boot from a fakeraid using dmraid ,... this tool is designed for enabling linux to get along with this kind of raid |
| 12:57.15 | moshii | blubberdiblub: having a mbr grub working doesnt make much difference as I still have to have all the other crap |
| 12:57.28 | moshii | KyleNeedsHelp: well, try it then |
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| 12:58.33 | KyleNeedsHelp | i did ... the last 10 hours ^^ |
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| 12:59.24 | noboru | moshii, i am not sure if i can use connlimit feature in kernel,mine is 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 12:59.29 | KyleNeedsHelp | and my linux on fakeraid boots up to initramfs (or how is it called when grup cannot load the kernel ?) |
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| 12:59.43 | mateusz | is there any fix for Xorg ? |
| 12:59.50 | mateusz | I have see no fonts |
| 12:59.51 | moshii | noboru: hmm I was doing throttling with 2.4.x |
| 12:59.51 | noboru | moshii, someone told me this feature will be added by then when kernel 2.6.42 is out :( |
| 13:00.00 | noboru | oh |
| 13:00.08 | moshii | noboru: there is no 2.6.42 |
| 13:00.20 | mateusz | Any help? |
| 13:00.30 | moshii | noboru: if you want to shape your traffic you can try wondershaper or something |
| 13:00.32 | Araneidae | Can anybody suggest a way of getting enough entropy? Other than linking /dev/random to /dev/urandom, that is? |
| 13:00.34 | mateusz | my xorg is not displaying fonts |
| 13:00.52 | Araneidae | The fact that network entropy is disallowed is killing my server |
| 13:01.16 | blubberdiblub | moshii, i see messages about EFI all the time on the grub2 mailing list, so i'm sure it may be usable soon. i know nothing about EFI, tho |
| 13:01.25 | moshii | KyleNeedsHelp: the initramfs should be used by the kernel... it's probably that you don't have the dmraid stuff in your initramfs |
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| 13:01.42 | noboru | moshii, my goal is only this -> 1 incoming IP can only have 10 openning connections to my server at the same time |
| 13:01.58 | KyleNeedsHelp | i did update-initramfs -u |
| 13:02.01 | moshii | blubberdiblub: yeah, apparently it's been possible since 2007, so I'm going to burn a d-i disk for safety and try it out :) |
| 13:02.56 | moshii | noboru: oh, so this http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 then? |
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| 13:03.35 | Araneidae | I mean seriously, how the hell is a headless server supposed to get any goddamned entropy if network traffic is disallowed? |
| 13:03.37 | KyleNeedsHelp | moshii: if i am able to see initramfs , does that mean that grub is allready loading something from a partition ? |
| 13:04.04 | moshii | KyleNeedsHelp: that'd only work if the initramfs builder can detect you need dmraid, you probably need to tell it how your rootfs works |
| 13:04.19 | moshii | KyleNeedsHelp: what is the last thing you see when you try to boot it? |
| 13:04.36 | moshii | Araneidae: hardware RNG |
| 13:04.38 | mateusz | Araneidae Buying arduing, designing device with detector which checks for ativity of mouses in terrarium and reports it via USB cabel to computer. |
| 13:05.30 | KyleNeedsHelp | well i will restart , but i stay in channel (i currently use my laptop) ,... i tell u in a few minutes |
| 13:05.46 | moshii | Araneidae: you can probably enable gaing entropy via network traffic via some kernel variable |
| 13:05.47 | Araneidae | arduing? what's that? |
| 13:05.57 | Araneidae | moshii, that would help enormously |
| 13:06.06 | mateusz | Araneidae arduino |
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| 13:06.47 | mateusz | Araneidae btw there are some devies for generating random numbers I guess |
| 13:07.27 | noboru | moshii, magic ! useful ! |
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| 13:07.45 | moshii | noboru: written in 2005, so it should work with your kernel :) |
| 13:08.16 | noboru | by the way, moshii, the 'recent' switch is included in iptables so that i do not to install anything to get this work ? i am running a production server so i wouldn't want anything happen to cause the server down. |
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| 13:09.13 | moshii | noboru: I'm don't really understand, but everything you should need will be in your kernel and iptables |
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| 13:09.40 | moshii | Araneidae: I can't find how you configure entropy sources.. there must be some way to do it :/ |
| 13:09.45 | noboru | okay i will test them out now, but moshii , the |
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| 13:10.10 | noboru | the '\' mark on that page you gave me, it is not necessary ? it means the 'enter' key ? |
| 13:10.21 | moshii | noboru: you want to be careful messing if iptables on a production server. test the rules out on another box first |
| 13:10.50 | moshii | noboru: \ means that it's the same line broken up into multiple lines |
| 13:11.04 | noboru | I see. Thank you. moshii . |
| 13:11.04 | moshii | noboru: the shell will treat it as if it was one line |
| 13:11.39 | moshii | s/messing if/messing with/ |
| 13:13.11 | KyleNeedsHelp | moshii: can we open a seperate irc session ? i dont want to spam the channel |
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| 13:13.42 | pierre_ | hi |
| 13:13.42 | moshii | KyleNeedsHelp: you should ask here so that everyone can chip in |
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| 13:13.53 | KyleNeedsHelp | k |
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| 13:14.13 | moshii | I'm currently breaking my machine anyhow |
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| 13:15.30 | blubberdiblub | moshii: hint: grub-install of grub2 has an undocumented --debug option, which enables you to easily see which modules it selects by default for inclusion into core.img ;) |
| 13:15.39 | moshii | Does d-i support doing net installs over slip? |
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| 13:16.03 | mateusz | HI |
| 13:16.11 | moshii | blubberdiblub: I'm trying grub-efi at the moment, I'm not sure how this is going to fit in with refit. Going to be fun finding out |
| 13:16.12 | mateusz | I have a problem with X |
| 13:16.17 | moshii | !ask |
| 13:16.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:16.21 | mateusz | all gtk fonts are missing |
| 13:16.35 | mateusz | but when I run xorg with xinit and xterm |
| 13:16.39 | mateusz | fonts are visible |
| 13:16.46 | mateusz | however in gdm they;re missing |
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| 13:17.00 | mateusz | xorg from experimental works but I want to use the one from sid |
| 13:17.01 | KyleNeedsHelp | >> Gave up waiting for root device \n - Boot args (cat /proc/cmdline) \n - check root= (did the system wait for the right device) \n -missing modules (cat /proc/modules) \n ALERT! /dev/mapper/isw_........_Volume01 does not exist << |
| 13:17.10 | mateusz | moshii: any help? |
| 13:17.23 | moshii | blubberdiblub: you have to bless boot loaders for the macs firmware else it won't boot them, so that could be some added fun |
| 13:17.31 | pierre_ | I just installed xorg, and xorg.conf was generated like this : http://pastie.org/258900 How to set default resolution please ? |
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| 13:17.53 | mateusz | pierre_: do you see fonts? |
| 13:17.56 | blubberdiblub | moshii: "bless" meaning something like signing or marking? |
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| 13:18.06 | moshii | blubberdiblub: /me smacks forehead, grub < 2 won't loa from lvm will it |
| 13:18.10 | pierre_ | mateusz: yes |
| 13:18.17 | mateusz | pierre_: what xorg version? |
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| 13:18.28 | moshii | blubberdiblub: yep, I think it's put of the TPM sequence |
| 13:18.41 | blubberdiblub | moshii: no, grub-legacy won't. but grub 1.96 is grub2 |
| 13:18.42 | moshii | blubberdiblub: part of |
| 13:18.45 | pierre_ | mateusz: 1:7.3+15 |
| 13:18.48 | KyleNeedsHelp | moshii: >> Gave up waiting for root device \n - Boot args (cat /proc/cmdline) \n - check root= (did the system wait for the right device) \n -missing modules (cat /proc/modules) \n ALERT! /dev/mapper/isw_........_Volume01 does not exist << |
| 13:18.54 | mateusz | pierre_: gnome desktop? |
| 13:19.09 | moshii | KyleNeedsHelp: ok, the kernel is loading but it can't find root |
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| 13:19.32 | pierre_ | mateusz: wmii-3.5 |
| 13:19.34 | moshii | KyleNeedsHelp: or your initramfs isn't getting loaded, but I think you would get a different message in that case |
| 13:19.44 | mateusz | pierre_: do you have also gnome and can check it? |
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| 13:20.07 | moshii | blubberdiblub: grub-efi is 1.96+2008something, so worth a go :) |
| 13:20.28 | pierre_ | mateusz: no I cant install gnome too heavy |
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| 13:21.02 | mateusz | pierre_: oh |
| 13:21.13 | hkais1 | hello |
| 13:21.23 | KyleNeedsHelp | moshii: am i allowed to use pastebin.com in this channel to write down my grub config, that you can have a look at it ? |
| 13:21.25 | pierre_ | mateusz: yes :s |
| 13:21.37 | blubberdiblub | moshii: yep, that should be fine. i'm using the grub-pc variant of it. the lvm module works, i've already tried it, although not from core.img yet, since my /boot is on a non-lvm volume |
| 13:21.52 | hkais1 | how can i determine if the OS has a dvd/dvdram writer, and if one is available which device it is? |
| 13:22.02 | moshii | KyleNeedsHelp: grub is loading the kernel and initrams, from the look of it the kernel can't mount the rootfs |
| 13:22.10 | moshii | KyleNeedsHelp: so it's not grub's fault |
| 13:23.53 | moshii | blubberdiblub: by the look of it, the signature of the bootloader has to be copied into the macs nvram by macos, so every upgrade of grub is going to be a headache |
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| 13:25.06 | pierre_ | mateusz: ? |
| 13:25.19 | blubberdiblub | moshii: well, as soon as it becomes more stable, upgrades of the core of grub2 become increasingly unnecessary, i guess |
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| 13:25.55 | KyleNeedsHelp | moshii: so what do u think i need to do ? integrating a module for enabling the kernel to use this raid ? |
| 13:26.22 | moshii | KyleNeedsHelp: you need to configure the initramfs so that it can mount your rootfs.. |
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| 13:26.43 | hkais1 | how can i determine if the OS has a dvd/dvdram writer, and if one is available which device it is? |
| 13:26.55 | KyleNeedsHelp | mishii: any hints how to do that ? |
| 13:27.18 | cynyr | wazxvgfgggggbbgbr55656yyuk,...... |
| 13:27.36 | cynyr | 66566656t` |
| 13:27.41 | moshii | KyleNeedsHelp: I've never used it so I couldn't tell you.. google for initramfs fakeraid or something |
| 13:27.45 | cynyr | qswwkwrj4u4tzs900pppp[]x |
| 13:29.13 | liable | boots cynyr's cat off the keyboard |
| 13:29.14 | blubberdiblub | moshii: but watch out for /etc/grub.d/* scripts from other packages. some of them break a bit with the current grub2 version, which might need some manual fiddling with non-linux boot menu entries at grub menu time, if noticed too late ;) happens for memtest* packages for me, for instance |
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| 13:30.00 | moshii | blubberdiblub: just reading something from the bts dated about 3 days ago, and it doesn't seem to work yet. so I'll leave it for now ;~ |
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| 13:30.44 | blubberdiblub | moshii, oh, that's too bad :/ but check back often. development is in fast flux |
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| 13:31.23 | moshii | blubberdiblub: not too concerned with using lilo at the moment. grub is more useful when a kenrel breaks though |
| 13:32.40 | thinkgnu | can i convert babylon glossaries to another dictionary format (for example stardict) and sell them on a cd ? is it legal ???? (or is there another channel that is more related to my question!) |
| 13:33.09 | moshii | thinkgnu: you need to read the licenses/get a lawyer |
| 13:33.43 | thinkgnu | there is no license for glossaries ! |
| 13:34.03 | pierre_ | anyone may help me please ? |
| 13:34.21 | litb | i wonder how one can download all packages required by a given one at runtime ? |
| 13:34.31 | thinkgnu | they are just free glossaries ( but not free as freedom!) :D |
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| 13:36.33 | wols_ | pierre_: http://paste.debian.net/15502/ |
| 13:36.58 | wols_ | litb: with aptitude? |
| 13:37.17 | litb | wols_: apt |
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| 13:37.39 | wols_ | yes with aptitude |
| 13:37.40 | litb | wols_: i just want that it downloads them to some directory, so that i can offline-install them to another machine |
| 13:37.55 | wols_ | !tell litb about apt-zip |
| 13:37.58 | noboru | moshii, are you still there ? |
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| 13:38.44 | litb | wols_: is aptitute just a frontend to apt ? |
| 13:38.57 | wols_ | there is no such thing as "apt" |
| 13:39.06 | liable | as is apt-get |
| 13:39.08 | wols_ | there is libapt, there are various programs using libapt |
| 13:39.17 | liable | well, apt is the library really |
| 13:39.48 | wols_ | litb: dpkg told you what to use |
| 13:40.18 | hkais1 | how can i determine via script if the OS has a dvd/dvdram writer, and if one is available which device it is? |
| 13:40.37 | wols_ | hkais1: run wodim, parse the output |
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| 13:41.51 | pierre_ | wols_: trying |
| 13:43.21 | litb | wols_: well. i dont want to update the other machine, but i want to install the dependencies of a given package |
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| 13:44.01 | wols_ | depedencies are always totally machine depedent, ie which ones are needed |
| 13:44.43 | hkais1 | wols_: i do not have the package available :( |
| 13:44.53 | hkais1 | my oses are to old... |
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| 13:45.14 | deadbeef | hi there, excuseme, i've a problem; |
| 13:45.14 | litb | so you mean apt-get install ... , then note the packages on the offline machine. and then apt-get -qq --print-uris --reinstall those-packages > uris on the remote machine, wget them, and then use dpkg -i on the offline machine to install them ? |
| 13:45.17 | deadbeef | dell:~# chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:45.17 | deadbeef | chattr: Operation not supported leggendo i flag di /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:45.25 | wols_ | hkais1: what versin of debian? |
| 13:45.31 | deadbeef | but i'm using ext3, it should be supported |
| 13:45.32 | deadbeef | any clue? |
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| 13:45.45 | wols_ | deadbeef: don't use chattr |
| 13:45.50 | hkais1 | sarge, and ubuntu 6.06 and ubuntu 8.04 |
| 13:45.57 | wols_ | it's the wrong way to do what you want |
| 13:46.00 | deadbeef | wols_: what should i use so? |
| 13:46.06 | wols_ | hkais1: upgrade to etch. ubuntu we don't care |
| 13:46.15 | wols_ | deadbeef: how do you get your IP? |
| 13:46.21 | deadbeef | dhcp |
| 13:46.23 | hkais1 | wols_: i cannot upgrade. |
| 13:46.25 | deadbeef | using wicd |
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| 13:46.34 | wols_ | hkais1: sarge is not supported anymore. EOL |
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| 13:46.58 | wols_ | deadbeef: edit dhclient3.conf to not get a DNS server |
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| 13:47.13 | DexterF | hi |
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| 13:47.21 | deadbeef | wols_: thanks a lot |
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| 13:47.25 | sfazzy | hello. I've got job offer.. and I don't understand exactly what does it mean: 6 weeks paid leave with flights after one year aboard. |
| 13:47.34 | sfazzy | anyone can hel? |
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| 13:47.36 | sfazzy | help? |
| 13:47.54 | KyleNeedsHelp | moshii: it seems ur right that it could be an initramfs prob ,.. are u interested in the solution "if" i can get it running ? are u allways in this channel ? |
| 13:48.02 | Sashi | uhh in hosts.deny, how come ALL:ALL doesnt work? |
| 13:48.04 | wols_ | sfazzy: wrong channel. this is not a debian problem |
| 13:48.14 | Sashi | i can still go into ftp or ssh remotly |
| 13:48.29 | noboru | wols_, lol :) |
| 13:48.30 | wols_ | Sashi: only works for tcpwrappers using apps |
| 13:48.31 | DexterF | my router doesn't know my server. how come? said server leases an IP from the router's dhcp which has a fixed IP for the servers MAC, but host -v says "no idea who this is" |
| 13:48.34 | sfazzy | ok.. but can anyone just explain in few words.. maybe on prv? |
| 13:48.54 | wols_ | deadbeef: ask your router not us |
| 13:48.55 | Sashi | so how can i deny access for shell and ftp? |
| 13:49.02 | wols_ | sfazzy: no. please stop asking here |
| 13:49.08 | sfazzy | k |
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| 13:49.20 | wols_ | Sashi: don't run a sshd or ftpd |
| 13:49.32 | Sashi | hehe,,, |
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| 13:50.38 | DexterF | since other machines announce themselves fine and are known througout the network and only the debian box not, I'd like to assume a debian issue here, thanks. |
| 13:51.04 | wols_ | DexterF: do the others use MAC based dhcp leases too? |
| 13:51.38 | noboru | debian is cool as long as linux |
| 13:52.12 | noboru | i regret that i bought a windows mobile OS based phone which has many problem :( |
| 13:52.22 | DexterF | wols_: one yes ( the one I'm typing from), others not |
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| 13:53.07 | wols_ | DexterF:if they don't use the same way to get their dhcp it's still a router problem no matter what you ASSume |
| 13:53.28 | DexterF | wols_: careful |
| 13:54.18 | wols_ | or what? |
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| 13:56.23 | DexterF | like: careful you're about to self-label you super-jerk of the day. your problem, not mine, but if you didn't sh!t properly this morning or your mommy didn't love you take your problems elsewhere instead of going around on IRC and pissing of people who came for help. |
| 13:56.40 | hyper_ch | anyone knows why the little bash script does return the full path not on one line but makes a line-break for each "space" in the filepath/filename? http://phpfi.com/346820 |
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| 13:59.00 | blubberdiblub | hyper_ch, use the find command just by itself without the for loop. if you want to do more elaborate things with the file names afterwards instead of only printing, use the -exec option to find |
| 13:59.26 | hyper_ch | blubberdiblub: ok, I'll try... thx :) |
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| 14:06.17 | wols_ | DexterF: have fun trying to get any help here with your attitude. good day |
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| 14:07.47 | lleksah | hi all, i have a small issue with gnome. I can't start nautilus to browse files : |. There aren't any errors, it just freeze. The windows won't pop up ... And same stuff when i go in "places" in the menu bar, it just freezes ... Anyone ever had the same issue :( ? |
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| 14:09.57 | jaalto | I have NFS problem. Writing as ROOT does not succeed. Do you see anything obvious here? |
| 14:09.58 | jaalto | (Client: 192.168.1.12; Server *.7). At server /etc/exports => "/usr/src 192.168.1.0/27(rw,sync,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check)". At client: "showmount -e 192.168.1.7 " => /srv/src 192.168.1.0/27". "mount 192.168.1.7:/srv/src /mnt/tmp" succeeds, but "touch /mnt/tmp/test.tmp" gives => "Permission denied" for ROOT |
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| 14:11.41 | jaalto | at server the /usr/src is bind mounted to /srv/src, so they are practically same. |
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| 14:12.30 | blubberdiblub | lleksah, are you using lenny? have you upgraded some packages recently? if so, try creating a new user with a fresh home directory and see if she has the same issue. if not, there's probably some conflict with old config files |
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| 14:13.54 | fireba11 | hi, my server isn't booting anymore, it's a remote box so i have limited options. i can access it with a rescue system though. i'm not getting anything in the logs, tips how i can find out what is wrong ? |
| 14:15.45 | nkuttler | fireba11: new kernel? changed anything? |
| 14:16.19 | lleksah | blubberdiblub, yeah i have done a dist-upgrade recently. You're right, it must be some conflict with old config files. But I don't really know how to resolve that : / |
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| 14:17.00 | fireba11 | nkuttler : installed latest security kernel ... |
| 14:17.50 | noboru | hi guys,someone told me to check my log see your syslog.conf(5), "kern" facility |
| 14:18.00 | yitz_ | Hi. My themed greeter keeps crashing on me. Using Etch. |
| 14:18.02 | noboru | but i am not sure which one ? i am on sarge |
| 14:18.16 | nkuttler | fireba11: well... try to boot a different one |
| 14:18.28 | yitz_ | Kernel -> Linux debian 2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 14:18.46 | fireba11 | nkuttler: only have oen installed ... how can i install another kernel from rescur-system ? |
| 14:18.56 | blubberdiblub | lleksah, well, i'm not using gnome, so i have no idea which config file(s) is/are the culprit. you'd have to find that out and then maybe edit it by hand or something. sorry i can't provide more help |
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| 14:19.25 | nkuttler | fireba11: chroot apt-get maybe |
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| 14:19.37 | lleksah | ok thank you anyway for the valuable advice :-) |
| 14:19.37 | nkuttler | fireba11: and from now on always keep more than one kernel |
| 14:20.01 | fireba11 | nkuttler: so chroot in my normal / and try installing normally ? |
| 14:20.36 | noboru | hi guys,i did iptables -A INPUT -m recent --update --name httpuser --seconds 60 --hitcount 10 -j LOG --log-prefix 'attack: ' but then, i am not sure in which log file i can check it out ? |
| 14:20.46 | noboru | Please help me :( |
| 14:21.02 | nkuttler | fireba11: i guess that should work. if not you can still get a .deb and extract it and edit grub config |
| 14:21.44 | blubberdiblub | noboru, it goes to the kernel log, which is usually captured by syslog, which puts it to /var/log/kern.log and/or /var/log/syslog, i guess. depending on the syslog daemon you're using and how you configured it |
| 14:22.13 | noboru | hi blubberdiblub thank you ,i use the default settings in debian sarge |
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| 14:24.07 | paxl | I have a question, is lenny currently broken, |
| 14:24.15 | paxl | I'm not able to upgrade from etch to lenny |
| 14:24.20 | noboru | blubberdiblub, strange,i found the logs are available in both file |
| 14:24.34 | wols_ | !tell paxl about errors |
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| 14:25.10 | blubberdiblub | noboru, yeah, that may easily be. check out /etc/syslogd.conf where it puts messages from facility "kern" |
| 14:25.16 | jelly-home | paxl: well, yes. it will be broken until all the serious bugs are gone, at which point it'll be released |
| 14:25.17 | fireba11 | nkuttler: hm .. my menu.lst seems wired .. is there a way to re-generate it ? |
| 14:26.39 | paxl | jelly-home: I know, but I've used testing since 8 years but I tryed to update my lenny and it has detroyed my install and now I'm on etch and I'd like to update to lenny but when i tryed yesterday, it has detroyed the fresh install |
| 14:26.43 | paxl | so... |
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| 14:27.24 | nkuttler | fireba11: paste it, /msg dpkg paste |
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| 14:27.44 | jelly-home | paxl: it would be helpful to provide actuall commands run and complete outputs |
| 14:27.58 | wols_ | jelly-home: nah, too much to ask |
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| 14:28.25 | paxl | I don't have it... since the install didn't want to restart ... |
| 14:28.28 | jelly-home | detroys wols_ |
| 14:28.42 | paxl | i reinstalled etch |
| 14:29.23 | paxl | but aptitude show a score of -3500 for the dist-upgrade |
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| 14:30.48 | jelly-home | paxl: lenny is in frozen state and some packages are definitely broken. If you can't cope with that, it's better to wait until it's released |
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| 14:30.58 | cahoot | paxl: someone on planet.debian reported severe problems upgrading etch->lenny eith aptitude - apt-get worked better |
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| 14:31.10 | cahoot | s/eith/with/ |
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| 14:31.59 | yitz_ | Any idea how to fix a themed greeter that is crashing? |
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| 14:32.17 | litb | yitz_: i fixed gdm some time ago. but i didnt sent in the patch |
| 14:32.17 | shah | hello all, there is command like dpkg reconfigure.... to set resolution of monitor.. whats that? |
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| 14:32.42 | yitz_ | My Etch themed face greeter was working then it stopped. Its just crashing now. |
| 14:33.07 | paxl | is there a netinstall that install lenny directly ? |
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| 14:35.06 | jelly-home | paxl: have you installed only the base etch system, or something more? |
| 14:35.23 | paxl | jelly-home: more... |
| 14:35.30 | paxl | i've run tasksel on it |
| 14:35.47 | jelly-home | paxl: if you plan on upgrading, installing the base only, upgrading to testing, and then installing other stuff might work better |
| 14:36.18 | paxl | oki.... so I'll have to reinstall a 3rd time |
| 14:36.22 | nkuttler | paxl: i prefer to install everything on stable and upgrade later. less worries if new packages are broken |
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| 14:37.15 | jelly-home | nkuttler: it complicates the upgrade process, which is what he seems to have problems dealing with |
| 14:37.21 | paxl | nkuttler: the proble is that etch -> lenny is upgrade is broken... |
| 14:38.19 | fireba11 | nkuttler: hm. . did a grub-update and tried both the 2.6.18-5 and -6 kernel, both won't boot |
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| 14:38.58 | hwdyki | where can i find end of life dates for all the various releases of debian? |
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| 14:40.07 | petemc | !releases |
| 14:40.08 | dpkg | hmm... releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 14:40.50 | wathek | hello all I'm trying to create a mirror with apt-mirror but I'd like that it takes the packages from my installation DVD is it possible ? |
| 14:41.27 | fireba11 | nkuttler : any more ideas ? |
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| 14:42.06 | paxl | I'd stay on a distribution bi-etch bi-lenny [ Ie upgrade only what I use ;) ] |
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| 14:49.58 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 14:49.59 | dpkg | "Linux doesn't exist. Everyone knows Linux is an unlicensed version of Unix." - http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;97798672;fp;2;fpid;1 |
| 14:50.14 | makefile_mk | hi, does anyone know which package provide the "linux programmer manual " on debian? |
| 14:50.47 | liable | whats the progrmmer manual? |
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| 14:50.49 | hoxu | !tell makefile_mk about search |
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| 14:50.59 | liable | glibc docs? |
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| 14:51.04 | makefile_mk | liable, yes |
| 14:51.13 | liable | its in non-free |
| 14:51.16 | fireba11 | anyone got any more tips ? my server isn't booting anymore .. no logs, and it's remote so i don'tsee what's happening, gut a rescue system with access |
| 14:51.33 | liable | !glibc doc |
| 14:51.34 | dpkg | the man pages for gcc are in the package gcc-doc which is in non-free. It's in non-free because it is released under the GFDL with invariant sections so the package does not meet the DFSG. Ask me about <non-free> <gfdl> and <dfsg>. If you are looking for man pages for printf, strchr etc then get manpages-dev. |
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| 14:52.10 | yitz_ | Any suggestions on getting my greeter back up and running? |
| 14:52.26 | bjacob | Hi, are any there gcc-4.3.2-rc1 packages ? |
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| 14:53.23 | makefile_mk | liable, I have install libstdc++-doc, but still get "No manual entry for va_start" when i run "man va_start" |
| 14:54.16 | liable | makefile_mk: is it a standard function? or in boost or something? |
| 14:54.40 | liable | makefile_mk: google would be your friend. i dont know about the ++ stuff at all. |
| 14:56.54 | hark | makefile_mk: manpages-dev |
| 14:57.05 | fireba11 | nkuttler: still therer? |
| 14:57.21 | makefile_mk | hark, thanks , i'll try, |
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| 14:57.41 | makefile_mk | liable, also thanks |
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| 14:58.58 | Zambezi | Virtualbox says the kernelmodule isn't loaded. Can I load it without reboot cause I really can't do it right now. |
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| 14:59.23 | amphi | Zambezi: just modprobe it |
| 15:00.01 | makefile_mk | hark, thanks a lot, "manpages-dev" is just what i need |
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| 15:06.11 | zxxd | hello |
| 15:06.25 | fireba11 | anyone got any more tips ? my server isn't booting anymore .. no logs, and it's remote so i don'tsee what's happening, gut a rescue system with access |
| 15:06.34 | mizo666 | why would i choose debian over ubuntu? |
| 15:06.35 | zxxd | anyone have details of usplash under debian? |
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| 15:07.24 | jelly-home | mizo666: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 15:07.25 | Orbixx | mizo666: Depends, desktop or server? |
| 15:07.44 | Zambezi | amphi: Done. Thanks for tip. |
| 15:08.07 | mizo666 | desktop, but also server applications |
| 15:08.14 | Zambezi | mizo666: Enchanced security, but it's more tricky. |
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| 15:17.51 | liable | fireba11: what did you do to make it not boot? kernel upgrade or..? |
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| 15:19.02 | fireba11 | liable: i rebootet for latest security fix kernel and it didn't come back up. not sure what is the problem, nothign showing up in the logs |
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| 15:20.38 | fireba11 | liable: tried different kernels already .. |
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| 15:21.12 | liable | fireba11: hmm, so other ones fail too? tried rerunning grub? |
| 15:21.24 | liable | is menu.list sane? |
| 15:21.39 | liable | fireba11: this is plain etch, not ethcnhalf? |
| 15:21.42 | fireba11 | yes, did run grub-update a few minutes ago .. |
| 15:21.43 | fireba11 | yes |
| 15:22.49 | liable | i guess maybe fs corruption, and the new kernel gets the blame? its hard to say if you cant see the boot process. |
| 15:23.18 | fireba11 | fsck runs fine |
| 15:23.32 | fireba11 | i know, it's mostly guesswork without any logs |
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| 15:33.35 | fireba11 | crap |
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| 15:41.52 | jelly-home | fireba11: is this a physical machine? can you see what happens at the console or at a serial port? |
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| 15:43.57 | fireba11 | jelly-home : it's a physical box, but i got no console |
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| 15:46.54 | Dacs | good morning all |
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| 15:48.34 | BumfunMC | hi. does anybody use unstable here? |
| 15:48.35 | Dacs | i am running debian etch, when i do `apt-get install update ` i get this error "E: Couldn't find package update" |
| 15:48.57 | martin- | apt-get update? |
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| 15:49.36 | Dacs | martin : i am trying to follow this tutorial "http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_debian_lamp_server" |
| 15:49.59 | martin- | the command is wrong, they ment apt-get update |
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| 15:50.20 | Dacs | martin: thank you sir |
| 15:50.42 | BumfunMC | has anybody made audacious work in debian unstable? |
| 15:51.27 | dmoerner | BumfunMC: why would it be broken? it works fine for me |
| 15:52.01 | BumfunMC | dmoerner: it always says «segmentation fault» for months. |
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| 15:52.56 | dmoerner | BumfunMC: no segfault for me. can you reproduce this problem? |
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| 15:53.11 | BumfunMC | yes. as often as you want unfortunately |
| 15:53.48 | dmoerner | BumfunMC: file a bug report then |
| 15:53.50 | hoxu | BumfunMC, with a clean new user? |
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| 15:54.24 | BumfunMC | hoxu: yes, i tried that with a clean new user. i get even more errors with my user |
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| 15:54.48 | js_ | is there a magic way to make sure all required modules are in an initrd when making a custom kernel? |
| 15:55.11 | js_ | i lack some modules that makes the kernel boot apparently, but i don't want to search for them, i'd like them to work directly |
| 15:55.15 | fireba11 | jelly-home: any ideas ? |
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| 15:57.09 | BumfunMC | dmoerner: if it is a bug then why does it work on your computer? |
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| 15:57.38 | Dacs | apt-get install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 15:57.43 | Dacs | Oppss |
| 15:57.46 | Dacs | sorry |
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| 15:58.38 | Dacs | I am trying to install apache2 /php5/ in debian etch and i am getting this error , would you please help me if you can , thanks in advance. http://pastebin.ca/1183526 |
| 15:58.46 | hoxu | BumfunMC, releasing and maintaining software wouldn't take more time than writing it if it would magically work for all users in all environments :) |
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| 15:59.05 | hoxu | BumfunMC, you can try digging a bit further for the cause before submitting a report though |
| 15:59.12 | massmc_ | do I install xorg before lxde? |
| 15:59.22 | BumfunMC | hoxu: how do i do that? |
| 15:59.24 | massmc_ | oopes wrong window all together |
| 15:59.30 | hoxu | BumfunMC, you should know if you use unstable :) |
| 15:59.51 | hoxu | BumfunMC, you could strace, use gdb, etc |
| 16:00.14 | garotosopa | Dacs, comment line 185 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
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| 16:00.41 | Dacs | garotosopa: ok sir will do, thanks |
| 16:03.16 | Dacs | garotosopa: what is the line i am commenting just to know it in the future pleae? |
| 16:03.59 | garotosopa | Dacs, it's probably pointing to a file that does not exist anymore. I suppose it was from previous installs. did it work? |
| 16:04.41 | litage | would someone mind trying to ssh to deadorange.com with any username, and tell if they receive this error please?: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 16:04.46 | Dacs | garotosopa: this is the line "Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load" should i comment that/ |
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| 16:05.33 | hoxu | Dacs, check the offending file instead, with ls -la |
| 16:05.40 | hoxu | Dacs, smells like a broken symlink to me |
| 16:05.42 | garotosopa | Dacs, hmm no. sorry for that. do instead ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled and see if there's broken link |
| 16:05.51 | hoxu | hivemind ! |
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| 16:07.34 | Dacs | garotosopa: http://pastebin.ca/1183532 |
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| 16:08.02 | hoxu | Dacs, that's not very useful. Try catting it |
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| 16:08.18 | hoxu | Dacs, if your ls output is colored it should show as red if it's broken |
| 16:08.19 | Dacs | what you mean please |
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| 16:08.45 | garotosopa | Dacs, try sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 16:08.46 | hoxu | Dacs, cat php5.load |
| 16:08.53 | Dacs | no red all in a green |
| 16:09.02 | garotosopa | it complained before that php5.load wasn't there but since it's isntalled now it should work. |
| 16:09.14 | Dacs | garotosopa: do sudo even whe i am root |
| 16:09.24 | hoxu | Dacs, no need |
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| 16:09.56 | Bln | Hi there. |
| 16:10.20 | Bln | I'm installing Debian on an eeePc 701 |
| 16:10.25 | Dacs | garotosopa: that works |
| 16:10.37 | garotosopa | nice. |
| 16:10.48 | Bln | And I search which ethernet driver I should install. |
| 16:10.50 | Dacs | sweet thank you |
| 16:10.57 | Bln | Would you have any clue about this? |
| 16:11.22 | Bln | (I know the manufacturer is asus, but I can't find it on the list) |
| 16:11.45 | Ali_ix | hi, i have a problem in debian etch regarding user's homedir. the .bashrc script won't call on user login and also key-based auth doesnt work (~/.ssh/authorized_key). |
| 16:11.57 | Bln | (Btw, I'm using the ethernet to install (netonly install), so I wonder if this choice is really important, since it's still working) |
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| 16:12.25 | Bln | Ali_ix: are you using ssh? |
| 16:12.31 | Ali_ix | Bln: yes |
| 16:12.42 | Bln | 'cause if you log through ssh, /bashrc won't exec. |
| 16:12.46 | Bln | RTFM =] |
| 16:13.08 | Bln | s//bashrc/.bashrc |
| 16:13.18 | garotosopa | syntax error |
| 16:13.26 | Bln | Yea. |
| 16:13.28 | hoxu | Ali_ix, for authorized_keys (I'm assuming that was a typo on your side), check the permissions are right |
| 16:13.35 | Ali_ix | Bln: what about key based auth that doesn't work? and BTW i am using bash rc for a life via ssh! :| |
| 16:13.37 | Bln | It's for human reading, not for sed, this time. |
| 16:13.55 | Bln | I would use an escape char before / if you were using sed =p |
| 16:14.08 | garotosopa | most human beings would just stay /.bashrc* |
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| 16:14.28 | Ali_ix | hoxu: 644 should work for file and 755 for .ssh dir? |
| 16:14.48 | hoxu | Ali_ix, nope. chmod go= |
| 16:14.52 | Bln | Ali_ix: if you output some text like fortune at login, some scp softs might not work properly. |
| 16:14.53 | garotosopa | iirc it must be 600 |
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| 16:15.54 | Ali_ix | Bln: well, i use .bashrc to set some variables and sendemail alert! not displaying welcome message |
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| 16:16.09 | Bln | Ali_ix: do it in bashprofile. |
| 16:16.40 | DawnLight | hey. i'd like to help look at some RC bugs and see what i can do to help. so i'm looking at #470512 and i don't understand something. is it still open? the last message seems to be by someone who solved it and it also seems that this is a bug in a different package so why is it still open; or is it? |
| 16:16.46 | hoxu | Ali_ix, ~/.bashrc is often sourced from ~/.bash_profile |
| 16:16.55 | Ali_ix | Bln: thanks for hint, i will check |
| 16:17.06 | Bln | Ali_ix: next time, read man before ;) |
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| 16:17.18 | Bln | All is explained in. |
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| 16:17.34 | Ali_ix | Bln: noted :) |
| 16:17.37 | Bln | =] |
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| 16:20.34 | Bln | I still need help concerning my etherned chip's driver. |
| 16:21.01 | Ali_ix | every thing is fine with ~/.profile (not ~/.bash_profile) on bash side, but key based auth is failing. |
| 16:21.04 | hoxu | DawnLight, you might want to ask the guy who sent the last mail |
| 16:21.22 | hoxu | Ali_ix, did you fix the permissions? |
| 16:21.24 | DawnLight | aight hoxu |
| 16:21.36 | Ali_ix | hoxu: as you said, yes |
| 16:21.49 | hoxu | Ali_ix, then ssh -v or -vv or -vvv or whatever gets you the information, and I'm assuming you already checked the daemon logs |
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| 16:22.14 | hoxu | Ali_ix, show us output of "ls -ld ~/.ssh ~/.ssh/authorized_keys" |
| 16:22.35 | Bln | omg, we're 834 counting bots... |
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| 16:23.06 | hoxu | Bln, my peak history is at 942 FWIW |
| 16:23.24 | Bln | hoxu: gg =] |
| 16:24.18 | muddd | 942 thats a lotsa nerds |
| 16:24.29 | muddd | including muhself |
| 16:24.32 | muddd | & bots |
| 16:24.33 | ravenbird | All your bots are belong to us, or #debian-bots |
| 16:24.42 | hoxu | !penixstrike muddd |
| 16:24.42 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking muddd to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:24.46 | Bln | i read "& boobs" |
| 16:24.49 | Ali_ix | hoxu: I never user ssh client in verbos mod! i am suprised :) the problem just showed up, server is trying to find my publick key in ~/.ssh/id_dsa while the config (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) says it should be %h/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 16:24.53 | muddd | haha |
| 16:25.04 | Bln | I wondered what you did mean, until I re-read it. |
| 16:25.21 | hoxu | Ali_ix, I think you are confused of what authorized_keys and the id_ files are for |
| 16:25.22 | muddd | ah heh |
| 16:25.39 | muddd | so whats a penix anyways? |
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| 16:25.55 | Bln | a melt between a fenix and a penis. |
| 16:26.07 | Ali_ix | hoxu: i just scp-ied my id_dsa.pub to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 16:26.08 | Bln | s/melt/mix |
| 16:26.11 | hoxu | Ali_ix, man 1 ssh, check the files section (/^FILES), authorized_keys goes to target machine and source will have the identity files |
| 16:26.14 | Ali_ix | hoxu: well i am confused! |
| 16:26.28 | muddd | i c |
| 16:26.35 | muddd | bow chika wow wow? |
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| 16:27.22 | Bln | Raaah. |
| 16:27.23 | Ali_ix | hoxu: what is difference between id_*d*sa and id_*r*sa ? the encryption method? |
| 16:27.27 | Bln | Damn eth0 |
| 16:27.47 | Bln | Ali_ix: they don't use the same encryption algorithm. |
| 16:28.02 | Ali_ix | Bln: i just noticed! |
| 16:28.06 | hoxu | Ali_ix, man 1 ssh-keygen, search for DSA and RSA :) |
| 16:28.11 | Bln | Ali_ix: read some stuff about encryption and asymetric keys etc |
| 16:28.30 | Bln | And THEN only, try to setup key based ssh logins |
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| 16:30.02 | Bln | The impact of fast food on geeks: http://pics.nase-bohren.de/linux-tshirt-size.jpg |
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| 16:30.59 | newsense | anyone know why in my xorg.conf file under device it just says configured video device and also says configured for mouse and monitor ? |
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| 16:31.10 | newsense | no mention of video driver |
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| 16:32.40 | Bln | newsense: X can run without any xorg file, I think your monitor is probed. |
| 16:32.48 | Bln | monitor |
| 16:32.54 | Bln | || video card |
| 16:33.06 | Bln | (sorry, hit enter accidentally) |
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| 16:33.13 | newsense | oh ok so its finding the hardware on its own ? |
| 16:33.28 | Bln | Yeah, that's what probing is. =] |
| 16:34.08 | newsense | ahh well its not doing it on my other computer, if i add in the device section the modut one be used ? |
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| 16:34.49 | newsense | if i add the module name in the device section in xorg.conf that is |
| 16:35.21 | Bln | I'm not good with Xorg. |
| 16:35.26 | Bln | I don't use it anyway. |
| 16:35.33 | newsense | me either always had my video just work |
| 16:35.33 | Bln | I dislike graphics. |
| 16:35.37 | newsense | same here |
| 16:35.54 | newsense | i think itll work im gonna go for it |
| 16:36.00 | Bln | I just use windows for games, that's all. |
| 16:36.00 | Bln | =] |
| 16:36.13 | garotosopa | and porn. |
| 16:36.17 | Bln | Like I use my playstation 2 as well. |
| 16:36.28 | newsense | im on ps3 |
| 16:36.36 | Bln | garotosopa: not even for porn. I can read ANY porn on linux thanks to vlc. |
| 16:36.41 | hoxu | !offtopic |
| 16:36.41 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net |
| 16:36.49 | newsense | ps3 good porn viewer too |
| 16:36.57 | Bln | newsense: I don't know if you're lucky. |
| 16:36.57 | newsense | haha |
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| 16:37.00 | garotosopa | ohh I thought it was a graphics/non-graphics conversation |
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| 16:37.14 | Bln | garotosopa: me too. |
| 16:37.22 | Bln | ^^ |
| 16:37.51 | Bln | So, anyway, I'm not here for that. |
| 16:38.00 | Bln | Sorry newsense if I can't help you reading porn. |
| 16:38.03 | lkni | Hi I have a test system with stable & unstable mixed. Normally I prefer stable on my testmachine "APT::Default-Release "stable";" in apt.conf, but how can I select a certain package out of unstable? |
| 16:38.24 | cmdKeen | the high quality video plays ok in gentoo but it's too slow in debian, could hand-compiling of X and/or codecs help? |
| 16:38.25 | Bln | But btw, I need to know what ethernet driver to use on an asus eeepc 701 |
| 16:38.27 | newsense | i got that covered and i think i fixed my video problem as well |
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| 16:38.50 | garotosopa | cmdKeen, do you the same video driver on both distros? |
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| 16:38.59 | cmdKeen | lkni: only one? apt-get -t testing install package |
| 16:39.18 | Bln | cmdKeen: I think it's more about "newest" software than about "compiling" |
| 16:39.21 | cmdKeen | garotosopa: indeed, intel's great |
| 16:39.42 | hoxu | lkni, stable and unstable mixed? You don't mix stable and unstable, silly ! |
| 16:40.26 | Ali_ix | hoxu: is any feature disabled by default or some configs changed since last openssh bug on debian about key based auth's? i just logged in without problem with same keys/config on a centos server. |
| 16:40.43 | cmdKeen | I have testing system, yet it's unwatchable - restarting for watching video is painfull. |
| 16:41.29 | BumfunMC | hoxu: my bug has already been reported 1 month ago :P still no fix |
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| 16:41.33 | cmdKeen | The mentioned gentoo install is not updated for quite a long time - I doubt there are newer packages there. |
| 16:41.40 | Bln | Ok I got what I need. |
| 16:41.46 | hoxu | Ali_ix, did you check /var/log/syslog? |
| 16:41.52 | Bln | Now, how to find atl2 driver on the debian setup? |
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| 16:41.58 | hoxu | BumfunMC, write a patch |
| 16:42.06 | jaalto | What might be wrong with NFS. The root user at Client cannot write to NFS mounter dir. The mount succeeds fine and 'no_root_squash' is enable at server: |
| 16:42.18 | cmdKeen | Where can gcc flags dpkg use for source compiling be found? |
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| 16:42.32 | Ali_ix | hoxu: yes, nothing notable from sshd |
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| 16:43.16 | lkni | cmdkeen: thanks that's it |
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| 16:43.16 | lkni | hoxu: like i've written, it's a testmachine silly |
| 16:43.16 | Ali_ix | hoxu: the server just rejects my private key and looks for further authentications (password) |
| 16:43.16 | BumfunMC | hoxu: i dont know how to program in C |
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| 16:43.17 | hoxu | Ali_ix, blacklist comes to mind, /msg dpkg dsa1571 - but I'd imagine you'd see that in log |
| 16:43.37 | hoxu | BumfunMC, then you can try to provide more information on the bug report |
| 16:43.48 | Ali_ix | hoxu: thanks for hint |
| 16:44.25 | cmdKeen | lkni: note that packages installed with -t will be updated from preffered release, not the one specified with -t |
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| 16:49.00 | cmdKeen | Strange, when playing the movie, none of CPUs is over 20% yet I see stripes of redeawing with all -vo options. Weird. |
| 16:50.42 | jelly-home | cmdKeen: which kernel? which cpu? what happens if you use vo xv? does mplayer's stdout report losing frames? |
| 16:51.05 | jelly-home | cmdKeen: you could just be seeing vertical refresh artifacts |
| 16:51.14 | garotosopa | it could be on your mind! |
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| 16:55.55 | cmdKeen | jelly-home: 2.6.26 debian stock & vanilla with custom .config, Intel Dual Core @1.66Ghz. XV works fine, mplayer doesn't report losing frames. |
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| 16:56.36 | amphi | cmdKeen: does it do that only with EXA, or with XAA also? |
| 16:57.13 | Sofus2004 | I accidently input a wrong command, and now all I got in my prompt is ">" how do I resume normal? |
| 16:57.43 | petemc | ctl c |
| 16:57.50 | Sofus2004 | Thanks. :) |
| 16:57.59 | cmdKeen | amphi: not tested and I don't know how |
| 16:58.46 | amphi | cmdKeen: it's an xorg option; EXA is the new 2d accel architecture, I believe, but it's perhaps not as fast for some things as XAA |
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| 16:59.44 | cmdKeen | amphi: that sounds promising, I'll check. |
| 17:00.04 | amphi | cmdKeen: I see some artifacts with xv here, with EXA on intel |
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| 17:00.36 | am_arsch | wow sweet girl: http://www.mein-privates-nacktvideo.net?id=3597743 :D wow sweet girl: http://www.mein-privates-nacktvideo.net?id=3597743 :D wow sweet girl: http://www.mein-privates-nacktvideo.net?id=3597743 :D wow sweet girl: http://www.mein-privates-nacktvideo.net?id=3597743 :D wow sweet girl: http://www.mein-privates-nacktvideo.net?id=3597743 :D |
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| 17:00.51 | hoxu | !ops am_arsch!n=eqdhosjm@xdslca076.osnanet.de spamming |
| 17:00.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: am_arsch!n=eqdhosjm@xdslca076.osnanet.de spamming |
| 17:00.58 | cmdKeen | amphi: could you please tell me the x.org option or point me rin right direction |
| 17:01.00 | am_arsch | wow sweet girl: http://www.mein-privates-nacktvideo.net?id=3597743 :D wow sweet girl: http://www.mein-privates-nacktvideo.net?id=3597743 :D wow sweet girl: http://www.mein-privates-nacktvideo.net?id=3597743 :D wow sweet girl: http://www.mein-privates-nacktvideo.net?id=3597743 :D wow sweet girl: http://www.mein-privates-nacktvideo.net?id=3597743 :D |
| 17:01.09 | hoxu | thanks |
| 17:01.15 | amphi | arsch indeed |
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| 17:01.59 | amphi | o, no, now emmy's bilocating |
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| 17:02.33 | emmy | hehe |
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| 17:06.36 | noboru | hi guys, the short expression can be DPT=80 means the Destination Port right ? |
| 17:07.10 | hoxu | in iptables logs, yes |
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| 17:07.33 | noboru | hoxu, wow, how do you know ,yes i made a mistake in reading the log,you are right :) thank you . |
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| 17:08.06 | cmdKeen | exit |
| 17:08.09 | hoxu | noboru, you don't have a tinfoil hat on your head; we can read your mind |
| 17:08.11 | cmdKeen | crap, sorry |
| 17:08.26 | hoxu | noboru, except for the case when you haven't read the manuals and/or respective sources |
| 17:08.27 | noboru | ;) |
| 17:08.41 | pingouin | where can i find some help/information to change/install a hard drive to make it work with by-label ? any good url ? |
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| 17:09.08 | noboru | hoxu, may i ask more ? |
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| 17:09.32 | noboru | hoxu, The following two rules will limit incoming connections to port 22 to no more than 3 attemps in a minute - an more than that will be dropped, in this sentence,i dont get what does that 1 minute timeframe mean ? |
| 17:09.49 | noboru | hoxu, im reading on here http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
| 17:10.38 | newsense | noboru: exactly what it says |
| 17:10.56 | hoxu | noboru, you might want to check http://thelowedown.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/iptables-how-to-use-the-limits-module/ to see if it makes it more clear |
| 17:10.56 | newsense | no more than 3 attempts in a minute fourth attempt within a minute dropped |
| 17:11.03 | noboru | newsense, would you explain it more because i dont quite get it. |
| 17:11.24 | hoxu | noboru, see the URL |
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| 17:11.37 | newsense | ok i try to login it fails i try again and again thats three fourth would be rejected |
| 17:11.46 | Ali_ix | hoxu: problem was black lists, but nothing logged in syslog. thanks for your help |
| 17:11.48 | noboru | 3 attempts in a minute ? means the 3 attempts are happening in the same time ? or one by one within in 1 minute ? |
| 17:12.04 | amphi | noboru: the latter |
| 17:12.09 | newsense | three failed attempts within a minute |
| 17:12.18 | hoxu | Ali_ix, interesting. Thanks for letting us know |
| 17:12.43 | noboru | 3 failed attempts ? im confused. |
| 17:12.53 | hoxu | noboru, don't expect sympathy if you don't read the documentation provided to you |
| 17:13.21 | Ali_ix | hoxu: there is a line regading this in auth.log |
| 17:13.54 | noboru | amblin, :( i dont understand. |
| 17:13.57 | hoxu | Ali_ix, ah, pointed you to wrong log, sorry... anyway, you can usually do "ls -lrt /var/log/" to see what logs were recently written to and check those |
| 17:14.04 | noboru | sorry i meant amphi |
| 17:14.04 | Ali_ix | "Public key ... blacklisted (see ssh-vulnkey(1)); continuing anyway" i should have checked auth.log befre |
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| 17:14.38 | Zambezi | USB-support in Virtualbox OSE is highly needed now. I saw help for a similar dist, but that didn't help. The config was different. |
| 17:14.59 | slept | is kde4 going to be fixed for lenny ? |
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| 17:15.05 | noboru | amphi, my goal is limit an IP from connecting to my port 80 too many times in a timeframe. i dont understand that number '3' in that example . |
| 17:15.32 | Run | 3 comes after 2, it's 2 + 1. |
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| 17:15.54 | hoxu | sigh |
| 17:16.00 | jonhnash | hello i cant install vmware player because i get error in compiler de moduel to the kernel i use sid |
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| 17:16.33 | amphi | noboru: I don't know a clearer way of expressing the idea |
| 17:17.31 | Run | jonhnash: Interesting. |
| 17:18.07 | noboru | amphi, please tell me ,in that example,it tries to indicate that 3 Simultaneously connections in a minute ,or 3 connections goes to the server one by one |
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| 17:18.14 | Run | 'compiler de moduel to the kernel i use sid' ... hmm. I tried reading it backwards too. |
| 17:18.32 | jonhnash | sorry |
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| 17:18.49 | amphi | noboru: you already asked this, and I answered: the latter |
| 17:18.55 | jonhnash | i tell all history |
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| 17:19.10 | noboru | amphi, okay, let me test it.thank you. |
| 17:19.17 | hyperactivething | I have a window-manager problem, ok to ask here? |
| 17:19.33 | jonhnash | i want built a network of clusters |
| 17:20.18 | jonhnash | first i am testing this with virtual machines with Vbox and Vmware |
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| 17:21.36 | hyperactivething | when loading the session, the window-manager doesn't load |
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| 17:21.54 | hyperactivething | it just hangs there for a while, then continues, and there is no wm in the gnome session |
| 17:21.54 | haole | hey there... i'm packaging a software that comes with both binaries and a lot of dynamic libraries... lintian is asking me to split them in two packages... how do i do this? where can i find info about this? |
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| 17:22.11 | hyperactivething | anyone can help me? (please T.T) |
| 17:22.19 | Run | hyperactivething: Can you start it manually? |
| 17:22.23 | jonhnash | Vbox run right in debian the problem is when i run more that 4 virtual machine at the same time so i try to run 3 virtual machine with Vbox and 3 virtual machine with vmware |
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| 17:23.11 | Run | hyperactivething: run as root: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 17:23.12 | dmoerner | haole: you just want to create second package with the libraries in it. just split up the source and makefile |
| 17:23.25 | dmoerner | haole: if you use pbuilder to build you will have to set up a local repo to pull the dependencies from |
| 17:23.42 | jonhnash | i think that the problem is that the kernel of sid is so new and dont is compatible with vmware but in ubuntu run good but i dont want use ubuntu |
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| 17:24.07 | dmoerner | jonhnash: i think latest anyany supports 2.6.26 |
| 17:24.27 | Run | jonhnash: Use xen anyway. |
| 17:24.41 | dmoerner | xen is better for the kind of cluster you want i believe |
| 17:24.42 | jonhnash | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:25.26 | jonhnash | but with xen kernel i cant install nvidia drivers and i need this to more speed and lees owrjk to cpu |
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| 17:25.39 | _ZeuZ_ | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/package-management-sudoku/ |
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| 17:26.14 | Run | jonhnash: kvm ? |
| 17:26.30 | eraldo | I have a directory with 10 files in it, and I tried to make a file stick at the top by naming it "[filname]" |
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| 17:27.00 | jonhnash | not is cpu with 4 |
| 17:27.03 | jonhnash | gb ram |
| 17:27.16 | eraldo | that did work until I now discovered that any file that starts with the letter "a" will be displayed before the "[" |
| 17:27.24 | eraldo | why is that ? |
| 17:27.56 | eraldo | is there a way to still make a file stick at the top/bottom other than calling the file aaaaafilename or xxxxxfilename ? |
| 17:27.57 | dmoerner | jonhnash: why are you mixing vbox and vmware though? why not just stick with vbox |
| 17:28.14 | dmoerner | eraldo: no. it is dependent on the rules of the file manager you use |
| 17:28.29 | jonhnash | because i cant run more that 3 Virtual machines at the same time |
| 17:28.35 | eraldo | dmoerner: bash? |
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| 17:28.43 | Xjkx | is there a way we could block local softwares to access the internet ? like windows' firewalls do ? |
| 17:28.47 | jonhnash | Vbox dont have limit the limit is the performance |
| 17:29.02 | eraldo | dmoerner: I'm in a bash console |
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| 17:29.13 | jonhnash | but i think that i use a mix i can run more that 3 virtual machines |
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| 17:29.33 | dmoerner | eraldo: bash doesn't let you "stick things at the top" ls is just alphabetical |
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| 17:30.04 | eraldo | dmoerner: when is the "[" between "a" and "b" in alphabetical order ? |
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| 17:30.37 | eraldo | dmoerner: I thought it was before the alpha symbols |
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| 17:31.35 | dmoerner | eraldo: ii don't know |
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| 17:31.51 | jonhnash | can i ask what is more new a debian sid or ubuntu last? |
| 17:31.53 | hyperactivething | eraldo: ls uses the first alphanumeric character in the filename to sort |
| 17:31.58 | eraldo | dmoerner: correction... it is between "e" and "f" ?? |
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| 17:32.08 | hyperactivething | eraldo: so putting other kinds doesn't help |
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| 17:33.00 | eraldo | hyperactivething: oh... that will explain it |
| 17:33.16 | jberg | hey, what terminal do you guys prefer? |
| 17:33.27 | hyperactivething | eraldo: yeah, I didn't know, but that's what I noticed during the test I just did |
| 17:33.43 | eraldo | hyperactivething: any ideas how I could achieve what I desire ? |
| 17:34.08 | hyperactivething | eraldo: my first question is why you wanna put a file at the top |
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| 17:34.34 | jonhnash | i like use terminator cuz i have multiples ssh s |
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| 17:35.21 | Bln | Ok then. |
| 17:35.26 | eraldo | hyperactivething: Until all my directories looked like this "directoryname - 2008-08-24" |
| 17:35.30 | Bln | No way to install debian on the eee. |
| 17:35.41 | Bln | I'll install xandros. |
| 17:35.42 | jonhnash | and when test kde 4.1 i use kde terminal very good |
| 17:35.47 | eraldo | hyperactivething: Untill now that is |
| 17:36.10 | eraldo | hyperactivething: *Until |
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| 17:36.29 | Yondering | hello.. I'm looking for a reasonably current small (<=250m if possible) debian-based distribution, that would be compatible with the etch or sid repos.. any spring to mind? |
| 17:36.31 | eraldo | hyperactivething: but I hate it, because my paths get too long! |
| 17:37.13 | jonhnash | is easy the install of eee see the page of debian and the faq |
| 17:37.21 | eraldo | hyperactivething: so I thought I could add a file in each directory instead, that looks like this "[2008-08-24]" for example |
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| 17:37.59 | fireba11 | Hi, my server (debian etch amd64) doesn't boot anymore. hardware seems fine, it's a remote box so i can't see bootscreen, checked for logs with a rescue system but there aren't any at all. any pointers are much appreciated, i need to get it up again asap |
| 17:38.07 | eraldo | hyperactivething: getting a similar effect without long working directory paths etc |
| 17:38.38 | eraldo | hyperactivething: any ideas ? |
| 17:39.12 | hyperactivething | eraldo: how does the date help with the long filenames? I'm not following |
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| 17:39.26 | Yondering | fireba11, if it's remote and not booting at all, you pretty much need to get yourself or somebody else onsite to be your eyes I'd think.. |
| 17:39.31 | jonhnash | yondering try sidux have a small with 400 m |
| 17:39.51 | Yondering | JonathanD, ty :) |
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| 17:40.03 | eraldo | hyperactivething: assume I have a directory called "dirA 2008-08-24" |
| 17:40.08 | abrotman | jonhnash: this is #debian, not #sidux |
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| 17:40.22 | jonhnash | is the same |
| 17:40.27 | abrotman | no, it's not |
| 17:40.34 | jonhnash | why? |
| 17:40.38 | fireba11 | Yondering: yes, but that will probably cost money so i'm trying to do without .. also working hours don't start for another 11 hours there or so. |
| 17:40.39 | abrotman | Yondering: you can use the regular netinst |
| 17:40.52 | jonhnash | is debian |
| 17:40.55 | eraldo | hyperactivething: if I "cd" into that dir ...I'd get "dirA 2008-08-24/filename" as my path |
| 17:41.03 | dvs | feels a ban coming on |
| 17:41.12 | Yondering | abrotman, hmm, hadn't thought of that. thanks |
| 17:41.15 | hyperactivething | Run: I'll have to remember that :p |
| 17:41.15 | abrotman | jonhnash: it is not Debian |
| 17:41.22 | hyperactivething | Run: Thanks anyways |
| 17:41.41 | eraldo | hyperactivething: as oppoed to having the date in a "tag"-file inside that directory |
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| 17:42.25 | jonhnash | ok dont is pure debian not problem |
| 17:42.28 | hyperactivething | eraldo: so let me get this straight, you need the date of each directory? |
| 17:42.37 | hyperactivething | eraldo: and the system-assigned date is not enough? |
| 17:42.38 | eraldo | hyperactivething: yes |
| 17:42.42 | jonhnash | you are pure so |
| 17:42.44 | eraldo | hyperactivething: no |
| 17:44.11 | hyperactivething | here's my problem: I use gnome as my desktop manager. Today I turned on my PC, everything was fine, until I logged into the session. The window manager never loaded, it just hangs there for a while, after which I guess it skips the wm, so I end up with a session without wm. As a bonus, that session doesn't detect any keyboard input. Help? T.T |
| 17:44.22 | eraldo | hyperactivething: .oO( meaning: "no" it is not enough ) |
| 17:44.33 | Dacs | i have a really a very newbie question , i have always heard/seen people caution from not using root account. i have always used root. what is the alternative to using root?! |
| 17:44.44 | abrotman | login as a regular user |
| 17:44.44 | dmoerner | Dacs: using a normal user account |
| 17:44.47 | hyperactivething | Dacs: Using any other regular user |
| 17:44.54 | slept | eraldo, if you remove all the whitespaces TAB completion will work so it doesn't matter how long the filenames are |
| 17:45.13 | slept | ahm dir names |
| 17:45.20 | hyperactivething | eraldo: I guess you could make a really simple script then |
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| 17:45.25 | dvs | Dacs: if you installed Debian, you would have created a normal account |
| 17:45.41 | Dacs | dmoerner: hyperactivething : ok, but what if i want to install and do admin stuff? and why no using root account? |
| 17:45.42 | hyperactivething | eraldo: every directory can have a file with the date you want, then the script just cats the file |
| 17:45.46 | Yondering | Dacs, sudo is always preferable to root, IMHO, when you need it. Otherwise, log in on your usual account. |
| 17:46.00 | eraldo | slept: tab completion even works with whitespaces, but thats not the problem... the paths get too long |
| 17:46.03 | dmoerner | Dacs: you can use root to do administrative tasks. you just don't want to run everyday applications as root |
| 17:46.04 | hyperactivething | dacs: yondering said it for me |
| 17:46.32 | hyperactivething | Dacs: work as a normal user, only be an admin when you need to be an admin |
| 17:46.32 | Dacs | !sudo |
| 17:46.32 | dpkg | methinks sudo is (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>) |
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| 17:46.47 | hyperactivething | any help for me though? |
| 17:46.48 | valdyn | Dacs: you never need to log in as root, you only need to get root permissions when doing administrative tasks, which you can use su or sudo for |
| 17:46.48 | hyperactivething | please? |
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| 17:46.58 | slept | eraldo, whats the point with the date the system sets , why would you want sth diferent |
| 17:47.05 | eraldo | hyperactivething: my I continue the conversation via msg ? getting hard to read |
| 17:47.25 | hyperactivething | if you want, but I thik it's better everyone can keep track of the details |
| 17:47.28 | hyperactivething | in case I need to go |
| 17:47.39 | eraldo | slept: because I want the date the subject was created ... not the directory... |
| 17:47.53 | hyperactivething | eraldo: you could use SVN |
| 17:48.01 | Dacs | !visudo |
| 17:48.01 | dpkg | methinks visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers>, or respects $EDITOR while doing sanity checking (prevents *some* critical commits of broken sudoers) |
| 17:48.04 | hyperactivething | eraldo: or something similar, that keeps track of creation dates and whatnot |
| 17:48.09 | eraldo | slept: besides... the system-set date changes on copy, etc... (I know that can be changed) |
| 17:48.14 | ktwilight_ | strange, so i get a message saying "VFS: Cannot open root device "sda2" or unknown-block(8,2)" and in sda2 it's xfs, which is compiled into the kernel, yet i get a kernel panic. any ideas? |
| 17:48.16 | Bln | Ok/ |
| 17:48.23 | Bln | Anyway, thanks for help. |
| 17:48.25 | fireba11 | Hi, my server (debian etch amd64) doesn't boot anymore. hardware seems fine, it's a remote box so i can't see bootscreen, checked for logs with a rescue system but there aren't any at all. any pointers are much appreciated, i need to get it up again asap |
| 17:48.26 | Bln | bb. |
| 17:48.33 | hyperactivething | here's my problem: I use gnome as my desktop manager. Today I turned on my PC, everything was fine, until I logged into the session. The window manager never loaded, it just hangs there for a while, after which I guess it skips the wm, so I end up with a session without wm. As a bonus, that session doesn't detect any keyboard input. Help? T.T |
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| 17:48.45 | Yondering | hyperactivething, gnome/X issues, it sounds in a way as if your xorg.conf file is screwed.. |
| 17:48.58 | valdyn | hyperactivething: read ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 17:49.00 | hyperactivething | yondering: oh and my xauthority file is blank now, for some reason |
| 17:49.07 | eraldo | hyperactivething: I guess that would not do the job |
| 17:49.28 | eraldo | hyperactivething: may I pm you to explain the situation in more detail ? |
| 17:49.59 | hyperactivething | valdyn: am I interested in stuff at the beginning/end/middle of the file? |
| 17:50.06 | hyperactivething | ok pm me |
| 17:50.14 | Zambezi | Anyone know how to add USB-support in Vbox OSE in Lenny? |
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| 17:51.06 | Gamxtar_ | http://www.ich-nackt-zuhause.net?id=8312966 |
| 17:51.09 | Gamxtar_ | http://www.ich-nackt-zuhause.net?id=8312966 |
| 17:51.14 | Gamxtar_ | http://www.ich-nackt-zuhause.net?id=8312966 |
| 17:51.20 | dmoerner | Zambezi: impossible. use non-ose |
| 17:51.31 | hyperactivething | ok the first strange thing says " Not starting remote desktop server " |
| 17:51.34 | hyperactivething | I guess that can't be good |
| 17:52.11 | Zambezi | dmoerner: Then I need to go to my friend. I just need to do a stupid recovery on my iPod after a hardwaremod. |
| 17:52.14 | hyperactivething | that's right after the call for Xsession |
| 17:52.28 | Dacs | how to configure sudo |
| 17:52.38 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell Dacs -about visudo |
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| 17:53.06 | Zambezi | What was that for strange url Gamxtar_ pasted? |
| 17:53.36 | dvs | Zambezi: there's only one way to find out (but I suspect that it's German)\ |
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| 17:54.35 | Zambezi | dvs: I'll pass. It is German and he was connected from a German IP too. |
| 17:55.10 | Farhadix | I downloaded a package, but it didn't write its dependencies, how I can find its dependencies versions? |
| 17:55.45 | hyperactivething | eraldo: Maybe a README file? |
| 17:55.52 | hyperactivething | eraldo: sometimes simple is best |
| 17:56.09 | Zambezi | dmoerner: There's no build for non OSE, but maybe there's a repos I can add. I'll check build. |
| 17:56.19 | Zambezi | dmoerner: build=packages |
| 17:56.28 | dmoerner | Zambezi: virtualbox.com has etch packages that work fine |
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| 17:57.58 | w3seek | Hi, does anyone know if it possible to call bind () multiple times on the same socket (to be able to listen on certain interfaces, but not all)? Or do I need one socket per interface? |
| 17:58.08 | Zambezi | dmoerner: I hope I don't break the packagesmanager. I'll think I go to my friend if he can get home. |
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| 17:58.36 | Dacs | what is "setuid" program? |
| 17:58.44 | dmoerner | Zambezi: you won't break anything. virtualbox ose installs as virtualbox; virtualbox non-ose installs as VirtualBox, but you can do what you want |
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| 17:58.52 | mvanbaak | hi all |
| 17:59.24 | Zambezi | dmoerner: He's about to arrive any minute. |
| 17:59.37 | mvanbaak | If I want to create a .deb for a php application that depends on pear::MDB2 is it ok to add the commands to install MDB2 in postinst ? |
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| 17:59.54 | ptman | mvanbaak: no |
| 18:00.02 | eraldo | hyperactivething: are you reading your pms ? |
| 18:00.18 | mvanbaak | ptman: than how should I handle this dependency ? |
| 18:00.37 | Dacs | -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 91700 2006-04-15 00:39 /usr/bin/sudo, is that right |
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| 18:01.02 | ptman | mvanbaak: make .deb for pear::MDB2 and depend on it? |
| 18:01.03 | hyperactivething | eraldo: you could always stick a couple of 0s before the date, I guess, but thats pretty damn ugly |
| 18:01.30 | mvanbaak | gheh |
| 18:01.37 | hyperactivething | anyone: it says on my xsession-errors: |
| 18:01.54 | hyperactivething | anyone: Message: Not starting remote desktop server |
| 18:02.00 | eraldo | hyperactivething: yes it is... |
| 18:02.03 | hyperactivething | right after calling Xsession |
| 18:02.29 | hyperactivething | eraldo: either that or making directories with dates for names |
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| 18:02.37 | hyperactivething | 2008/08/08/Olympics |
| 18:02.48 | eraldo | isn't there a way to tell ls to put the "[" symbol before the alphanumeric ones ? |
| 18:02.50 | dvs | it's over! |
| 18:03.04 | hyperactivething | that I don't know |
| 18:03.11 | eraldo | hyperactivething: that's real ugly too thinking of the paths |
| 18:03.22 | dvs | eraldo: put a backslash before it? |
| 18:03.35 | hyperactivething | oh if you have no other blank files in there you could just go touch `date +%...` |
| 18:03.41 | hyperactivething | and then sort by size |
| 18:03.55 | eraldo | dvs: I did not fully get what you mena ? |
| 18:03.58 | eraldo | dvs: I did not fully get what you mean |
| 18:04.09 | hyperactivething | i think he meant the olympics |
| 18:04.18 | hyperactivething | any help for poor old me? |
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| 18:04.44 | dvs | eraldo: Oh, to put the symbol before. I misread what you were asking. I'm not sure how to do that. |
| 18:05.22 | eraldo | hyperactivething: the date alone is not always at the top :( |
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| 18:06.23 | hyperactivething | eraldo: well, maybe getting file NAMES to give out all th einformation about a directory is not the best way to go |
| 18:06.42 | hyperactivething | like I said, maybe you'd like SVN, you can assign comments to directories or files |
| 18:06.42 | eraldo | hyperactivething: a file called "10 solutions" would be above it |
| 18:07.28 | eraldo | hyperactivething: file NAMES ? |
| 18:07.48 | eraldo | hyperactivething: you still mean the filenames, right ? |
| 18:08.04 | hyperactivething | eraldo: yeah |
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| 18:08.23 | eraldo | hyperactivething: no I did try that out for some time but the paths get freakingly loooong |
| 18:08.34 | hyperactivething | eraldo: using svn? |
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| 18:09.01 | eraldo | hyperactivething: how would that work for all of my directorys.. and how would that be visible ? |
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| 18:09.29 | eraldo | I need to tuck information to or in every directory somehow |
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| 18:09.37 | mvanbaak | ok, if that's the only way to do it correctly ... |
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| 18:10.25 | lkni | is there a way to install a package, and not it's dependencies? |
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| 18:10.57 | dvs | lkni: There must be a --force option in aptitude that will do that. |
| 18:11.18 | blubberdiblub | i don't think so |
| 18:11.24 | dmoerner | lkni: no. |
| 18:11.24 | de55 | question: does anyone kno if a net install would be capable off of a sony PSP? |
| 18:11.38 | hyperactivething | eraldo: you should check out the documentation of svn, but it's not hard |
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| 18:12.11 | dmoerner | lkni: you can download the package and then use dpkg -i on the deb but you can't do it with aptitude alone |
| 18:12.47 | hyperactivething | eraldo: svn propget, propedit or proplist |
| 18:12.49 | blubberdiblub | dmoerner, for dpkg -i to work, you'd still need the dependencies already installed |
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| 18:12.53 | hyperactivething | eraldo: you set up the properties you want |
| 18:13.02 | hyperactivething | eraldo: or you could just put those on the log, whatever |
| 18:13.06 | dmoerner | blubberdiblub: you can force that. --force-depends |
| 18:13.09 | hyperactivething | eraldo: that's what svn is for |
| 18:13.26 | hyperactivething | ok so I guess i'm outta luck here :( |
| 18:13.33 | blubberdiblub | dmoerner, i hope he doesn't do it, tho ;) |
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| 18:14.09 | Run | hyperactivething: So, did you try starting metacity by hand yet? |
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| 18:14.37 | blake_ | http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/pmeo9hcjp7aw9.jpg |
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| 18:16.02 | doublehp | http://rafb.net/p/ZVxFxG19.html what's wrong ? |
| 18:16.39 | lkni | dmoerner: thanks |
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| 18:16.53 | hyperactivething | Run: Can I start a gnome session and then from another vt assign it metacity as a wm? |
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| 18:17.43 | Run | hyperactivething: yes, if you set DISPLAY to localhost:0.0 and export it |
| 18:18.28 | abrotman | blake_: go away |
| 18:18.31 | hyperactivething | Run: I'll try that now |
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| 18:19.02 | abrotman | doublehp: looks like some files on the mirror are corrupted? |
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| 18:19.56 | abrotman | blake_: do not msg me |
| 18:19.56 | coniptor2 | I need to get a clean copy of /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf back. I tried a reinstall in aptitude and this did not do it. How can I get it back without removing openssl and EVERY other package depending on it? |
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| 18:20.13 | eraldo | ls |
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| 18:20.17 | abrotman | !tell coniptor2 about confmiss |
| 18:20.18 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell coniptor2 -about confmiss |
| 18:20.30 | dmoerner | coniptor2: you should also call it with --force-confnew |
| 18:20.39 | coniptor2 | abrotman: thank you =) |
| 18:21.49 | coniptor2 | dmoerner: thank you as well. =) |
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| 18:22.08 | eraldo | hyperactivething: I called a friend and I think his solution is great... |
| 18:22.55 | doublehp | abrotman: nop; my ISP changed DNS, and some of my machines still use the old ones; did not see it in first place because old IPs are still valid, and answer and resolv ALL NAMES to an IP that have an HTTP error message ... "lynx google.fr" said "you came here because you have a DNS misconf" ... ping was thus working fine, and apt also fell on that *** page ... |
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| 18:23.37 | eraldo | hyperactivething: he suggested writing a bashscript that does 2 things: 1: show only all files starting with "[" 2: show all files not starting with "[" |
| 18:23.50 | eraldo | hyperactivething: what do you think of that idea ? |
| 18:24.04 | hyperactivething | Run: export DISPLAY=localhost.0:0; metacity --replace |
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| 18:24.35 | eraldo | hyperactivething: sounds better than having a some leading "0"s in front |
| 18:24.36 | kanzure_ | What's the name of the package that can turn debian into a 'router'? |
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| 18:24.37 | hyperactivething | eraldo: I didn't like the idea of putting information about the directories as filenames to begin with :/ |
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| 18:24.53 | hyperactivething | eraldo: if it works for you, great |
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| 18:24.53 | JordiGH | Heh. Drama! #495935 |
| 18:24.54 | blake_ | "Debian. You can never be sure." http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/pmeo9hcjp7aw9.jpg |
| 18:25.07 | jelly-home | !ops blake_ spamming |
| 18:25.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: blake_ spamming |
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| 18:25.11 | hyperactivething | eraldo: I would have used svn I guess, or maybe a readme file or something like that |
| 18:25.11 | JordiGH | The maintainer doesn't want to move GFDLed docs to nonfree. |
| 18:25.13 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ip24-250-20-93.ri.ri.cox.net] by abrotman |
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| 18:25.18 | jelly-home | abrotman: thanks |
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| 18:25.44 | Dacs | how can i make vi my default editor |
| 18:25.50 | hyperactivething | Run: Did you get that among all this mess? :p |
| 18:26.00 | JordiGH | Does that mean that if we don't "fix" that, then the GSL won't make it into lenny? |
| 18:26.01 | hyperactivething | dacs: export EDITOR=vim |
| 18:26.03 | hyperactivething | I think |
| 18:26.11 | hyperactivething | it's in the visudo manpage |
| 18:26.20 | jelly-home | Dacs: also, update-alternatives --config sensible-editor |
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| 18:28.51 | Nyle | hey |
| 18:29.00 | dvs | hey! |
| 18:29.03 | Nyle | I'm trying to setup iceweasel to open xls files in openoffice |
| 18:29.08 | screamingbytes | howdy nyle |
| 18:29.13 | Nyle | which freaking binary is used for open office calc |
| 18:29.15 | Nyle | hey guys |
| 18:29.19 | Nyle | whats !! up !! |
| 18:29.21 | abrotman | Nyle: dpkg -L ? |
| 18:29.28 | Nyle | abrotman, ahh grep bin |
| 18:29.29 | deus___ | the sky is up |
| 18:29.32 | deus___ | or the roof |
| 18:29.33 | dmoerner | Nyle: /usr/bin/oocalc |
| 18:29.33 | Nyle | nice i didn't even think of that |
| 18:29.35 | screamingbytes | omath or ocalc |
| 18:29.36 | deus___ | :o) |
| 18:29.43 | Nyle | thanks man |
| 18:29.46 | dmoerner | Nyle: or /usr/bin/soffice -calc |
| 18:29.50 | Nyle | I was greppin in /usr/bin for open* |
| 18:29.51 | Nyle | heh |
| 18:30.01 | jelly-home | JordiGH: probably. Make a patch, submit it? |
| 18:30.21 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I wonder if I could convince upstream to relicense... I'm sure they haven't even heard of the isue. |
| 18:30.27 | JordiGH | doesn't want to move more docs to non-free. |
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| 18:31.07 | jelly-home | JordiGH: under the current agreement wrt. gfdl, Debian has to. |
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| 18:31.28 | abrotman | JordiGH: i'm sure they have heard of the issue .. and really don't care |
| 18:31.49 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Yeah, but the maintainer doesn't want to move them either to non-free. |
| 18:32.33 | JordiGH | abrotman: I dunno, the GSL devs seem to be a lot less bureaucratic than other GNU devs. |
| 18:32.50 | jelly-home | JordiGH: my reading of the thread is that he doesn't have, or want to spend the resources to make the package changes, but would not oppose them |
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| 18:33.11 | philluminati | dsa |
| 18:33.24 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Maintainer said he's unconvinced by the GR, and his tone is not very friendly towards the idea of making the move. |
| 18:33.26 | abrotman | if the package contains GFDL docs .. it can't be released in main AIUI |
| 18:33.34 | JordiGH | !wtf aiui |
| 18:33.36 | dpkg | AIUI: as I understand it |
| 18:33.52 | abrotman | so the package would end up with an RC bug .. and get removed |
| 18:34.21 | jelly-home | JordiGH: "Changing it all over is again several hours worth of work for which I unfortunatetely do no have the bandwidth. [... and] have little motivation to do |
| 18:34.25 | hyperactivething | \q |
| 18:34.35 | JordiGH | abrotman: Yeah, it's been in main for about two or three years with the GFDLed doc. The GSL isn't very high in popcon, I don't think, or the kind of people who use it don't care too much about the GFDLed fiasco, so I guess it was fine for two years. It's in etch's main, for instance. |
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| 18:34.56 | JordiGH | jelly-home: "Little motivation", because he disagrees. |
| 18:34.56 | jelly-home | JordiGH: nothing stops you from doing the work yourself |
| 18:35.04 | JordiGH | doesn't want to do the work either. |
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| 18:35.20 | Dacs | sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 8, and line 8 is a comment ??!! |
| 18:35.20 | jelly-home | doesn't care about gsl either |
| 18:35.29 | Dacs | scratching his head |
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| 18:35.42 | JordiGH | Well, my thesis depends on the GSL, so I really want to see it shipped with lenny. |
| 18:35.46 | Eulex | Dacs, can you paste your /etc/sudoers? |
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| 18:35.57 | n-iCe | hi |
| 18:36.27 | jelly-home | JordiGH: so step up and fulfill the necessary bureaucratic work, if you really want it. |
| 18:36.54 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Yeah, I'll ask first if they could consider relicensing it...They might. |
| 18:36.58 | Dacs | Eulex: http://pastebin.ca/1183598 |
| 18:37.11 | screamingbytes | JordiGH: can you finnish your thesis as though it hadn't changed? |
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| 18:37.22 | jelly-home | JordiGH: a reasonable option |
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| 18:37.37 | simonrvn | Dacs: likely to be after, but also check before the comment |
| 18:38.22 | Dacs | simonrvn: i am not following , can you please explain?! |
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| 18:39.07 | unixSnob | is there anything wrong with this sources.list line: "deb ftp://ftp.easynet.be/debian etch main contrib non-free"? |
| 18:39.17 | JordiGH | screamingbytes: It wouldn't be too tragic for me if the GSL didn't ship with lenny, but it would be a hassle. |
| 18:39.30 | dmoerner | unixSnob: no |
| 18:39.34 | dmoerner | assuming that's a mirror |
| 18:39.44 | jelly-home | unixSnob: if that's a working mirror, no |
| 18:40.07 | Eulex | it appears to be a mirror at least |
| 18:40.17 | dvs | Dacs: how come the last line is missing the (ALL) part? |
| 18:40.29 | simonrvn | Dacs: um, what i said? it's likely to not be the comment, but around it |
| 18:41.05 | unixSnob | the error is: "W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.easynet.be etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.easynet.be_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)" |
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| 18:41.20 | simonrvn | re-run the update |
| 18:41.32 | jelly-home | unixSnob: even after repeated update commands? |
| 18:41.40 | simonrvn | though they might not have amd64, then you'll also get that |
| 18:41.51 | zorrolero | Dacs: isn't there a missing "t" in line 9? |
| 18:42.18 | Nyle | 5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * dcop ksmserver ksmserver saveCurrentSession |
| 18:42.21 | Nyle | did I set this right |
| 18:42.28 | Debiangeo | Hello |
| 18:42.29 | Nyle | I want this to execute every 5 minutes |
| 18:42.43 | abrotman | you left out zero |
| 18:42.45 | Nyle | oh |
| 18:42.49 | dvs | Dacs: Yeah "Defauls" |
| 18:42.50 | Debiangeo | I need Help with Cups and LPD |
| 18:42.52 | abrotman | or you can use */5 .. but there is a difference |
| 18:42.53 | Nyle | 0,5.. etc.? |
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| 18:43.04 | Nyle | abrotman, I'm not clear on it I read the man |
| 18:43.09 | dvs | Nyle: or */5 |
| 18:43.13 | Nyle | hm |
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| 18:43.28 | jelly-home | */5 includes the 0th minute |
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| 18:44.09 | Debiangeo | someone can do that for me because that's make two than i'm over |
| 18:44.10 | dvs | jelly-home: but I think */5 waits five minutes after the job is done as opposed to running the job every five minutes. |
| 18:44.20 | jelly-home | dvs: negative on that |
| 18:44.30 | dvs | no? |
| 18:44.36 | dvs | they are the same? |
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| 18:44.51 | jelly-home | equivalent to 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 |
| 18:44.55 | warior | hi, I've got quite serious problem |
| 18:45.00 | jelly-home | if in minutes column |
| 18:45.03 | dvs | jelly-home: ok |
| 18:45.05 | warior | I can't install anything |
| 18:45.12 | jelly-home | !errors |
| 18:45.13 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors, or - ask me about <localized errors> too |
| 18:45.13 | Nyle | hm |
| 18:45.17 | Nyle | I see |
| 18:45.21 | warior | aptitude finish with update-inetd |
| 18:45.24 | warior | hups |
| 18:45.26 | Dacs | dvs: simonrvn : great , thanks guys i see where i mess it up |
| 18:45.33 | warior | aptitude finish with No candidate version found for .... |
| 18:45.35 | Nyle | ok |
| 18:45.39 | Nyle | so */5 |
| 18:45.40 | Nyle | cool |
| 18:46.16 | abrotman | jelly-home: they are not hte same |
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| 18:46.33 | simonrvn | that's for vixie cron; other crons don't accept the */X syntax |
| 18:46.41 | jelly-home | warior: pastebin your command and the complete output; also pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-cache policy package_you_wanted_to_install |
| 18:46.50 | Nyle | hm |
| 18:47.03 | warior | jelly-home: it's happening for all the packages |
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| 18:47.31 | jelly-home | abrotman: */5 * * * * and 0,5..... * * * * are not equivalent? explain. |
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| 18:47.47 | abrotman | jelly-home: dvs had it correct .. |
| 18:47.54 | dvs | !beer me |
| 18:47.54 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for dvs |
| 18:47.55 | abrotman | tries to find the reference |
| 18:47.55 | jelly-home | warior: please provide the data asked for |
| 18:48.00 | jelly-home | abrotman: lies! |
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| 18:48.34 | warior | jelly-home: here you are http://pastebin.com/d637bd495 |
| 18:49.08 | jelly-home | abrotman: put a "touch /tmp/foo && date >> /tmp/foo && sleep 240" in there, and you'll know |
| 18:49.20 | Eulex | warior, apt-cache policy bc? |
| 18:49.30 | abrotman | jelly-home: i've seen it documented somewhere |
| 18:49.40 | pflanze | Hm, it seems every now and then someone is turning up here with a "Gnome is not starting" problem, but nobody knows the solution (downgrade of libxml2)? |
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| 18:50.07 | pflanze | Maybe a pointer to this issue should be put into the topic? |
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| 18:50.21 | warior | Eulex: jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m25575bda |
| 18:50.28 | Eulex | !bug 496125 |
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| 18:51.00 | Eulex | pflanze, http://bugs.debian.org/496125 |
| 18:51.06 | jelly-home | warior: have you changed /etc/apt/preferences or /etc/apt/apt.conf? |
| 18:51.19 | extor | Which WM is the best for an ancient PC with just 100 MB RAM and a P2? IceWM or Blackbox? Which will run faster? |
| 18:51.28 | pflanze | Eulex: exactly. It's just that by looking over the logs of the past few hours, nobody seemed to reply with this. |
| 18:51.33 | warior | jelly-home: yes preferences |
| 18:51.41 | Eulex | pflanze, multiverse? you're on ubuntu? |
| 18:51.49 | MrWax | "..For security reasons we want to run BIND chrooted" |
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| 18:51.59 | MrWax | what does this mean? |
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| 18:52.09 | pflanze | Eulex: hu? what is multiverse and no, I'm not on ubuntu. |
| 18:52.11 | extor | I didnt know daemons like BIND could run chrooted |
| 18:52.14 | jelly-home | warior: you might have some crap in there; rename it and try again |
| 18:52.19 | o[-_-]o | Hello |
| 18:52.20 | warior | jelly-home: according to this http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 18:52.25 | extor | How do you sandbox a binary that accesses the net stack |
| 18:52.26 | warior | jelly-home: will try |
| 18:52.27 | Eulex | pflanze, ah sorry, I meant to say that to warior |
| 18:52.28 | o[-_-]o | secret |
| 18:52.57 | Eulex | warior, why do your sources.list mention multiverse although you're using debian apt sources? |
| 18:53.12 | warior | Eulex: it's there? :D |
| 18:53.13 | jelly-home | warior: don't do an install; just aptitude update and apt-cache policy bc; pastebin the last |
| 18:53.16 | warior | don't know |
| 18:53.28 | warior | jelly-home: ok |
| 18:53.40 | jelly-home | Eulex: good catch |
| 18:53.47 | Eulex | warior, you can safely remove multiverse from all your lines in sources.list. |
| 18:54.17 | warior | OHOHOHOOOOOOOOO :D |
| 18:54.26 | warior | looks like it's working |
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| 18:54.54 | jelly-home | warior: also, paste dpkg -l libc6 base-files |tail -2 |
| 18:55.03 | Debiangeo | there is someone who can help me for fond a solution with my LPD server |
| 18:55.50 | warior | so it's not working :( |
| 18:55.52 | warior | jelly-home: ii base-files 4.0.4 Debian base system miscellaneous files |
| 18:55.55 | warior | ii libc6 2.7-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 18:55.58 | warior | hu[s |
| 18:56.01 | warior | not here |
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| 18:56.40 | bolt | How can I modify the access denied page returned by squid? |
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| 18:57.28 | jelly-home | warior: that's all right; just wanted to check the general state of your system version |
| 18:57.37 | warior | :) |
| 18:57.46 | warior | now I upgraded some packages |
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| 18:57.53 | warior | hope it will work |
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| 19:00.14 | minerale | how can I get just the file size of a file ? |
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| 19:00.45 | hoxu | minerale, man stat, -c |
| 19:01.05 | minerale | thanks, hoxu |
| 19:01.10 | warior | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m19f86ad9 |
| 19:02.08 | jelly-home | warior: why are you trying to do that? |
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| 19:02.40 | warior | jelly-home: just trying to make complete reinstall of packages |
| 19:02.41 | Laeborg|Lap | hi |
| 19:02.57 | warior | because something is really wrong |
| 19:03.00 | Laeborg|Lap | what irc client would you recommend ? |
| 19:03.09 | warior | Laeborg|Lap: irssi |
| 19:03.09 | jelly-home | warior: what is really wrong? |
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| 19:03.16 | warior | jelly-home: whole my system |
| 19:03.39 | Laeborg|Lap | i have used mirc my whole life, so if there is anything like that it would be awesome |
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| 19:03.44 | dvs | warior: it can't be the entire system |
| 19:03.44 | jelly-home | warior: you'll have to be more specific, I'm afraid. The symptoms? |
| 19:04.02 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: xchat is a decent-ish GUI client |
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| 19:04.11 | screamingbytes | Laeborg|Lap: xchat ? |
| 19:04.20 | screamingbytes | jelly beat me |
| 19:04.25 | hoxu | Laeborg|Lap, you could run mirc using wine... xchat if you want a graphical one, but I'd really recommend learning irssi |
| 19:04.27 | jelly-home | !beat screamingbytes |
| 19:04.27 | dpkg | beats screamingbytes with a large stick. |
| 19:04.28 | warior | dvs: ok not whole, but package manager is printing errors |
| 19:04.29 | valdyn | !mirc |
| 19:04.29 | dpkg | somebody said mirc was http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/mirc/exploit.html, or sucks festering dog balls |
| 19:04.36 | valdyn | !xchat |
| 19:04.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xchat is a nifty irc client that has gnome and transperancy and panel and shaded transperancy and scripting and other cool stuff, or broken because it eats private /msg at least half the time, or doesnt eat /msg at all for some people, or for win32 xchat : http://www.silverex.org/download/ or #xchat @ irc.freenode.net, or in violation of GPL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xchat#Shareware_controversy |
| 19:04.39 | Laeborg|Lap | well try that |
| 19:04.43 | Laeborg|Lap | *will |
| 19:04.46 | jelly-home | screamingbytes: yes I know that was past tense; still |
| 19:04.51 | screamingbytes | :) |
| 19:05.38 | screamingbytes | warior: have you tried looking at dpkg --list? |
| 19:06.13 | jelly-home | xchat doesn't "have" gnome. xchat-gnome is, confusingly, a different app |
| 19:06.14 | warior | dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install |
| 19:06.14 | dpkg | ii | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install 1.2-15 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 19:06.22 | warior | :D |
| 19:06.41 | screamingbytes | warior: lol |
| 19:06.45 | jelly-home | warior: why do you want to do that? |
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| 19:07.09 | screamingbytes | warior: I was just trying to give you a list of pkg's (theoretically) that were jacked |
| 19:07.21 | warior | jelly-home: just to make sure that all dependecies are all right |
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| 19:07.36 | warior | jelly-home: I have removed some packages |
| 19:07.38 | jelly-home | warior: dpkg/apt takes care of that for you. |
| 19:07.50 | warior | jelly-home: hope so :P |
| 19:09.00 | warior | jelly-home: ok thanks looks like my system is back and working |
| 19:09.16 | warior | If something go wrong I will come to see you again :P |
| 19:09.17 | warior | bye |
| 19:09.23 | de55 | does anyone kno if a net install would be capable off of a sony PSP? |
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| 19:10.18 | jelly-home | de55: if the release notes say that platform is supported, then yes |
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| 19:13.07 | Laeborg|Lap | im usign xchat now |
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| 19:14.20 | Laeborg|Lap | i have a dualboot with debian and windows xp, and i would like to bind the document folder from xp into my home folder |
| 19:14.34 | Laeborg|Lap | i usign ntfs on windows |
| 19:14.41 | Laeborg|Lap | and ext3 here |
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| 19:17.04 | scgtrp | does debian still do splitting between package and package-dev? |
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| 19:17.18 | streuner | sure |
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| 19:17.53 | streuner | Any idea how much space would you waste, if you install -dev packages too? |
| 19:17.56 | scgtrp | is there a way to always have -dev packages installed automatically? |
| 19:18.01 | scgtrp | not a waste for me :) |
| 19:18.09 | dvs | Laeborg|Lap: ntfs could be a problem if you want to write to that directory. |
| 19:18.10 | streuner | well, not if you are a DD :-) |
| 19:18.31 | Laeborg|Lap | dvs, well i know i can use something called ntfs-3g |
| 19:18.42 | streuner | scgtrp: to compile a certain packages just use what the factoid recommend (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 19:18.49 | streuner | !simple sid backport |
| 19:18.50 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 19:18.50 | scgtrp | streuner, -dev packages are headers and stuff, correct? |
| 19:18.58 | streuner | yes |
| 19:19.19 | Zider | Laeborg|Lap: why not do it the other way around, store the files on an ext2 disk? |
| 19:19.20 | scgtrp | streuner, i do a lot of compiling stuff from svn/tarballs, so i'd like to always have those there |
| 19:19.33 | dvs | Laeborg|Lap: it's better to use a FAT partition between XP and Debian. |
| 19:19.33 | Laeborg|Lap | i have been usign debian before where i had 3 ntfs partitions mounted. and i could write and read to it |
| 19:19.38 | streuner | apt-get build-dep <packages> usually installs the needed -dev packages for you... |
| 19:20.13 | scgtrp | that's not quite what i meant... i mean when i install any library, i want the corresponding headers installed automatically |
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| 19:20.40 | jelly-home | dvs: fat partitions can only have thin files |
| 19:20.48 | dvs | o_O |
| 19:21.02 | Laeborg|Lap | i have ntfs now, and i don't want to change it |
| 19:21.03 | scgtrp | not necessarily for building any specific package, but just in case i need them later |
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| 19:21.30 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: just saying, ntfs drivers for linux aren't 100% stable and might mess up your fs. |
| 19:21.34 | Laeborg|Lap | i know debian can write into ntfs partition with something called ntfs-3g |
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| 19:21.54 | dvs | Laeborg|Lap: but it still isn't 100% bug free |
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| 19:22.11 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: even if you go ntfs-3g, consider a separate partition for the files shared between the OSes |
| 19:22.19 | dvs | exactly |
| 19:22.33 | scgtrp | why not just install ext2ifs in windows, and use an ext2/ext3 partition? |
| 19:23.22 | jonhnash | when go to will stable ext4? |
| 19:23.26 | Laeborg|Lap | does i works scgtrp ? |
| 19:23.38 | Laeborg|Lap | *it |
| 19:23.53 | scgtrp | Laeborg|Lap, ext2ifs works great for me, never had problems with it (then again i've never had problems with ntfs-3g either) |
| 19:24.29 | Laeborg|Lap | i would reffer to get the ntfs-3g to works |
| 19:25.01 | scgtrp | i have both working, so i can access both my partitions from either os |
| 19:25.20 | sladi | Laeborg|Lap: XP sp3 won't recognize ext3 partitions for me. It always says the drives are not formatted. |
| 19:25.22 | muddd | heh i have xp on a fat32 drive so if it ever messes up i just untar a new copy onto the partition |
| 19:25.25 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: I currently use ntfs-3g. Perhaps a more stable solution would be an ext2 partition and the fs-driver.org driver |
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| 19:26.43 | jelly-home | that driver worked well for me for a time, but had issues with ext3 dir_index option. It ought to work nicely with ext2, and that's what they say it supports, anyway |
| 19:26.49 | api222 | What does mod4 in `man awesome` refer to? The windows button? I don't have one (I have a thinkpad) |
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| 19:27.26 | Sem_nick | BRASIL |
| 19:27.28 | Sem_nick | :) |
| 19:27.29 | Sem_nick | !! |
| 19:27.29 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 19:27.36 | sladi | jelly-home: I see |
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| 19:28.05 | Laeborg|Lap | ntfs-3g is not installed |
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| 19:28.08 | Laeborg|Lap | *now |
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| 19:28.27 | jelly-home | suppresses the urge to !installit |
| 19:28.38 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 19:28.38 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 19:28.39 | hoxu | !annoy bob2 |
| 19:28.39 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:28.46 | simonrvn | i did it for you ;) |
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| 19:29.13 | simonrvn | !annoy hoxu |
| 19:29.14 | jelly-home | !penixstrike hoxu |
| 19:29.14 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking hoxu to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 19:29.23 | hoxu | stretches for the metal stamper and promptly smacks jelly-home in the temple with it |
| 19:29.29 | jelly-home | in fact, |
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| 19:29.31 | jelly-home | !penixstrike |
| 19:29.39 | muddd | heh |
| 19:29.40 | Laeborg|Lap | mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows -o umask=0,nls=utf8 - what can i write to get the mount to accept ISO-8859-2 ? |
| 19:29.43 | simonrvn | !fart |
| 19:29.44 | dpkg | farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!" |
| 19:29.44 | api222 | can anyone tell me which button/key is 'mod4' (HELP ME FUXORS!!!!!) |
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| 19:29.58 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 19:30.18 | sladi | api222: try xmodmap |
| 19:30.22 | hoxu | api222, read the source, or use xev |
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| 19:31.13 | api222 | mod4 Super_L (0x7f), Hyper_L (0x80) |
| 19:31.34 | Laeborg|Lap | mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows -o umask=0,nls=iso-8859-2 |
| 19:31.38 | Laeborg|Lap | will this work? |
| 19:32.03 | sladi | api222: for me it is the windows key |
| 19:32.23 | api222 | "man awesome" says "Mod4 + b" should hide the status bar - how do I press that?! Shift-L-b ? |
| 19:32.26 | sladi | api222: I have the same |
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| 19:33.02 | sladi | api222: awesome should have settings for changing the key |
| 19:33.21 | jelly-home | api222: Super is _usually_ the Windows key, but can be mapped to something else |
| 19:33.24 | api222 | sladi: Super_L means "windows key" ? |
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| 19:33.38 | sladi | api222: you don't have mod4 but it is possible to map it to some other keys, but I never did that |
| 19:33.40 | hoxu | api222, use xev to find a key you want to use and then xmodmap to map that to Super_L |
| 19:33.45 | api222 | I thought super-l would mean shift-l |
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| 19:33.57 | jelly-home | api222: xkeycaps might be of some help |
| 19:34.07 | tlmiller | does the partition management utility that fires during install time have a package name? Or is it just scripts? |
| 19:34.15 | api222 | I don't have the windows key; Linux fanboys who designed X32 Thinkpad removed it |
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| 19:34.32 | blubberdiblub | api222, no, since Shift_L means Shift_L already ;) |
| 19:34.35 | jelly-home | api222: nope; Shift, Control, Meta, Super, Hyper are all different modifiers |
| 19:36.00 | api222 | I have this useless "Access IBM" button - how do I remap it to be Windows Key or Mod4? Otherwise "awesome" is not so awesome for me. |
| 19:36.13 | simonrvn | tlmiller: it's called partman |
| 19:36.29 | simonrvn | based off libparted, obviously |
| 19:36.45 | jelly-home | api222: try xkeycaps. |
| 19:36.52 | tlmiller | simonrvn, thanks |
| 19:37.12 | simonrvn | !info awesome |
| 19:37.42 | dpkg | awesome: (dynamic floating and tiling window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.3.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 126 kB, Installed size: 428 kB |
| 19:37.49 | jelly-home | api222: first, use xev to see whether [Access IBM] actually provides any keycode; it might currently do nothing at all |
| 19:37.54 | simonrvn | hm |
| 19:38.24 | simonrvn | might want keytouchd if it's one of those "multimedia" kbds |
| 19:38.27 | Laeborg|Lap | well i have now mounted sda1 into /mnt/sda1. Now i would like to bind /mnt/sda1/Documents and Settings/Laebirg/My Documents/ into /home/laeborg/Documents |
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| 19:39.11 | jelly-home | there are speshul acpi thingies for thinkpads that enable some of those keys on some models |
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| 19:39.41 | sether | api222: might want to look at http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/tpb |
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| 19:41.38 | jelly-home | in fact, apt-cache search thinkpad|grep -v modules-2.6 |
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| 19:42.04 | jelly-home | that key doesn't do anything here. |
| 19:42.39 | sether | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_Button |
| 19:43.47 | simonrvn | plural form is unices |
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| 19:45.06 | jelly-home | unixen |
| 19:45.14 | jelly-home | :> |
| 19:45.20 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:46.01 | simonrvn | jelly-home: hey does the /foo/bar/* /baz/foo/bar/* src/dest syntax for rsync catch dot files too? |
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| 19:46.37 | simonrvn | checks man |
| 19:47.14 | Laeborg|Lap | bind /mnt/sda1/Documents and Settings/Laebirg/My Documents/ /data/Documents - whats wrong? |
| 19:47.48 | tlmiller | When you submit a bug via email does an ack come back via email? |
| 19:49.27 | dondelelcaro | tlmiller: yes |
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| 19:52.15 | meistr | Laeborg: Dont think you can mount a allready mounted device...try making a symlink |
| 19:52.30 | dondelelcaro | you can using bind mounts |
| 19:52.32 | jelly-home | simonrvn: are those * for the local or the remote side, 'cause if local, they'll get expanded by your shell as always |
| 19:52.47 | earthling | installed NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.07-pkg1.run but now want to remove the driver. having trouble finding out just how to do that. Any help? |
| 19:53.14 | jberg | hey, is there any way to find out what font gnome terminal uses as default? and how i can make mrxvt use the same font |
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| 19:53.59 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: ur doin it wrong |
| 19:54.28 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: if that's fstab, /spool/postfix /var/spool/postfix none rw,bind 0 0 |
| 19:54.38 | earthling | i mean, actually 'remove' it from my system not 'rmmod nvidia' |
| 19:55.11 | Laeborg|Lap | its not fstab |
| 19:55.17 | abrotman | earthling: ask #nvidia |
| 19:55.21 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: if it's shell, don't forget to quote the whitespace, and the dest. needs to exist |
| 19:55.36 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: so mkdir /data/Documents first |
| 19:55.39 | Laeborg|Lap | i want to bind /mnt/sda1/Documents and Settings/Laebirg/My Documents/ into /data/Documents |
| 19:55.57 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: mount --bind "/mnt/sda1/Documents and Settings/Laebirg/My Documents" /data/Documents |
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| 19:56.02 | Laeborg|Lap | i have the /data/Documents folder |
| 19:56.03 | earthling | abrotman: then you're saying there isn't a 'debian way' to do it? |
| 19:56.42 | dondelelcaro | earthling: if you had used our instructions, yes. Otherwise, no. |
| 19:56.44 | Laeborg|Lap | jelly-home, the folder is still empty |
| 19:56.45 | abrotman | earthling: you didn't install the nvidia driver the debian way |
| 19:56.59 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: did the command succeed? |
| 19:57.05 | dondelelcaro | (well, I lie slighlty, you could use cruft et. al., but that's quite a bit more complicated) |
| 19:57.11 | Laeborg|Lap | no error |
| 19:57.26 | Laeborg|Lap | but no done msg either |
| 19:57.32 | earthling | abrotwam: ok, i get it... ill ask them and then do the m-a thingie... |
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| 19:57.45 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: what was its error code? did an entry appear in "df" output or /proc/mounts |
| 19:58.19 | Laeborg|Lap | /dev/sda1 /data/Documents fuse rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,all$ |
| 19:58.38 | tlmiller | cool, I got my auto ack for my bug report. |
| 19:58.39 | Laeborg|Lap | the last line in /proc/mounts |
| 19:58.40 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: you can check a command's exit status with "echo $?" immediately after it has run |
| 19:58.59 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: and df? |
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| 19:59.15 | Laeborg|Lap | mount --bind "/mnt/sda1/Documents and Settings/Laebirg/My Documents" /data/Documents | echo $? ? |
| 19:59.21 | Laeborg|Lap | whats df ? |
| 19:59.27 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: run it. |
| 19:59.29 | jelly-home | df |
| 19:59.46 | Laeborg|Lap | /dev/sda1 78646172 5960384 72685788 8% /mnt/sda1 |
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| 20:00.35 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: no line for /data/Documents in df output? |
| 20:00.39 | Laeborg|Lap | the partition is no |
| 20:00.52 | Laeborg|Lap | doh |
| 20:01.11 | Laeborg|Lap | theres no output of /data/Documents in the df output |
| 20:01.21 | jelly-home | that's unusual |
| 20:01.31 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: meh, use symlinks. |
| 20:01.41 | Laeborg|Lap | !symlinks |
| 20:01.41 | dpkg | [symlinks] a cool program to remove dangling symlinks among other things (supports directory recursion) |
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| 20:02.05 | Laeborg|Lap | symlinks is installed now |
| 20:02.09 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: umount /data/Documents; rmdir /data/Documents; ln -s "/mnt/sda1/Documents and Settings/Laebirg/My Documents" /data/Documents |
| 20:02.21 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: oh deary. |
| 20:02.31 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: "symlinks" are a feature of unix :-) |
| 20:03.13 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: like windows shortcuts, but actually useful |
| 20:03.23 | Laeborg|Lap | thanks! |
| 20:03.23 | Laeborg|Lap | that worked |
| 20:03.39 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: ls -ld /data/Documents |
| 20:03.48 | jelly-home | or ls -l /data |
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| 20:04.07 | Laeborg|Lap | can you help me with fstab ? |
| 20:04.07 | jelly-home | it will show you what a symlink looks like in ls |
| 20:04.15 | jelly-home | no need for fstab |
| 20:04.33 | Gillpy | how to list files (dpkg -L) of a deb that hasn't been downloaded or installed ? |
| 20:04.40 | Laeborg|Lap | i need my system to mount /dev/sda1 into /mnt/sda1 on system startups |
| 20:04.50 | simonrvn | Gillpy: apt-file |
| 20:04.56 | Laeborg|Lap | and bind the document map into /data/Documents |
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| 20:05.11 | Gillpy | simonrvn: thnx |
| 20:05.12 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: do you ever hibernate your windows? |
| 20:05.24 | simonrvn | i'd stick it in /media instead of /mnt, since /mnt is usually reserved for admin stuff |
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| 20:05.44 | jelly-home | /media is usually volatile |
| 20:06.08 | jelly-home | /mnt ftw |
| 20:06.10 | Laeborg|Lap | what is hibernate ? |
| 20:06.15 | simonrvn | bah |
| 20:06.25 | Laeborg|Lap | never heard it before |
| 20:06.29 | capiira | hi all i'm using lenny and when i login to gnome that kernelloop clients appears saying that i got a kernel failure and asks if i want to submit it to the kernelloop... ? is there a way to find out what failure i got ? |
| 20:06.33 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: suspend to disk? |
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| 20:07.00 | simonrvn | !fhs |
| 20:07.00 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 20:07.26 | Laeborg|Lap | "do you ever hibernate your windows?" means "do you ever suspend your windows?" ? |
| 20:07.56 | capiira | i already tried grep -R failure /var/log to see if i can find out something but nothing |
| 20:08.00 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: yes; but it's the suspend to disk bit that I ask about. Windows calls that "hibernate" |
| 20:08.14 | simonrvn | /media: This directory contains subdirectories which are used as mount points for removeable media such as floppy disks, cdroms and zip disks. |
| 20:08.22 | Laeborg|Lap | okay, i dont suspend my windows disc |
| 20:08.23 | jelly-home | simonrvn: /me wins |
| 20:08.29 | simonrvn | /mnt : Mount point for a temporarily mounted filesystem |
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| 20:08.36 | simonrvn | neither of us do |
| 20:08.37 | jelly-home | hm |
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| 20:08.49 | jelly-home | well. I have /win and /d anyway :-) |
| 20:09.15 | simonrvn | :). i stick it in /srv or /net if it's mounted from a remote host |
| 20:09.28 | jelly-home | /net is autofs here |
| 20:09.45 | simonrvn | /srv : Data for services provided by this system |
| 20:09.50 | Laeborg|Lap | jelly-home, if i reboot my system now, would the mounts still be there ? |
| 20:10.16 | simonrvn | they don't mention a /net at all |
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| 20:10.51 | capiira | nobody has an idea how to find out what did make that kernelloop kernel failure penguin tray icon appear ? |
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| 20:11.06 | simonrvn | what? |
| 20:11.19 | capiira | what to me ? |
| 20:11.35 | muddd | what what |
| 20:11.39 | muddd | in the butt |
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| 20:11.41 | capiira | heh |
| 20:11.43 | tlmiller | watt? |
| 20:12.46 | capiira | let me try to explain again :D, when i log in into gnome a tray icon from kernelloop appears saying that i got a kernel failure |
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| 20:13.11 | capiira | but i would like to have more details about this failure |
| 20:13.34 | muddd | klog? |
| 20:13.45 | tlmiller | dmesg? |
| 20:13.45 | capiira | how to use it? |
| 20:13.48 | capiira | hmm |
| 20:13.55 | muddd | read the log from klogd |
| 20:13.57 | capiira | grep failure ? |
| 20:15.07 | capiira | appears directly after logging to gnome and everytime |
| 20:15.19 | muddd | ok |
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| 20:16.58 | capiira | dunno what to search for in the logs |
| 20:17.10 | capiira | just get old stuff related to failure and error |
| 20:17.44 | tlmiller | Your X errors are logged elsewhere |
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| 20:17.59 | capiira | but i dont know if its a xerror |
| 20:18.07 | capiira | gnome is still running fine |
| 20:18.36 | capiira | just that client pop ups and is bugging me |
| 20:18.39 | ArthurArchnix | sup gentlemen... I'm trying to watch a movie but when I pop it in the tray I get told I must be super user to mount. |
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| 20:19.08 | ArthurArchnix | these are the groups I am a part of: arthur dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev |
| 20:19.08 | abrotman | ArthurArchnix: you don't have to mount it |
| 20:19.33 | ArthurArchnix | hmm... let me try opening it up in totem. And do you ever leave abrotman |
| 20:20.00 | muddd | he is eternal |
| 20:20.02 | tlmiller | capiira, poke around in /var/log , execute "dmesg" and skim the X logs. You're bound to find clues. |
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| 20:20.26 | ArthurArchnix | nope... can't open it in totem. The exact error is mount: must be superuser to mount |
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| 20:22.19 | ArthurArchnix | is it telling me that mount, doesn't have permission to mount the movie? |
| 20:22.58 | ArthurArchnix | What is supposed to happen is that the disc should show up on my desktop then totem should open automatically. Is it maybe a region set thing? I'm in finland now but this is a movie from Canada |
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| 20:23.40 | tlmiller | ArthurArchnix, wouldn't the region denial happen after trying to mount it? |
| 20:24.07 | ArthurArchnix | timiller maybe... probably. |
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| 20:25.12 | tlmiller | ArthurArchnix, You could install sudo, add yourself to the sudoers file and try sudo totem to see if it really is perms, maybe? |
| 20:25.19 | ArthurArchnix | must be a permission thing. |
| 20:25.26 | valdyn | ArthurArchnix: you dont need to mount dvds |
| 20:25.37 | ArthurArchnix | As root I did mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/test and it mounted then opened up totem and started playing |
| 20:25.55 | ArthurArchnix | Look... don't tell me that. Tell Lenny. Cuz it won't play it without doing that. |
| 20:26.11 | enouf | something is wrong |
| 20:26.17 | jelly-home | ArthurArchnix: you need to file a bug report, then |
| 20:26.41 | tlmiller | what are your perms on /dev/cdrom ? |
| 20:26.43 | enouf | i doubt it's a real dvd .. lmao |
| 20:26.49 | tlmiller | and /mnt/test ? |
| 20:26.51 | jelly-home | ArthurArchnix: a dvd player ought to work without that |
| 20:26.56 | enouf | likely some data VOBs or something |
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| 20:27.08 | jelly-home | enouf: what's the difference? |
| 20:27.10 | ArthurArchnix | archnix:/dev# ls -l | grep cdrom |
| 20:27.10 | ArthurArchnix | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2008-08-24 11:54 cdrom -> hda |
| 20:27.10 | ArthurArchnix | brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 3, 0 2008-08-24 11:54 hda |
| 20:27.31 | enouf | jelly-home: you tell me |
| 20:27.56 | ArthurArchnix | tlmiller: yeah mnt/test as in, let me create a fake mount point to rule out the regionset issue |
| 20:28.11 | ArthurArchnix | something I won't forget to delet |
| 20:28.11 | jelly-home | enouf: I wouldn't be asking if I knew |
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| 20:28.37 | ArthurArchnix | enouf: If that were the case, why does it work fine when as root I mount it, then my normal user plays it |
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| 20:29.54 | enouf | i'm saying, it's possible someone either copied (or)+ transcoded (or)+ reauthored a dvd and did it wrong |
| 20:29.55 | tlmiller | well when you pop in a dvd the automounting process takes care of populating that icon on the desktop so I'd troubleshoot that direction |
| 20:30.00 | ArthurArchnix | This is a permissions or groups problem... it must be. Because root can mount it and when mounted user can play it. But user can't mount it. I'm not sure what you guys mean when you say "you don't have to mount DVD's"... I thought everything you access is mounted. Hard-drives. Flash drives. Cdroms. |
| 20:30.25 | enouf | mount should be 4755 |
| 20:30.30 | enouf | iirc |
| 20:30.43 | tlmiller | ArthurArchnix, they're saying that usually dvd players can read the disc raw without having to mount the media on a mount point first. |
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| 20:30.55 | jelly-home | ArthurArchnix: dvd players access the device raw |
| 20:31.15 | jelly-home | ArthurArchnix: are you a member of the cdrom group? |
| 20:31.17 | valdyn | ArthurArchnix: filesystems get mounted, you can read dvds and harddisks just fine without mounting |
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| 20:31.45 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 20:32.12 | tlmiller | watt? |
| 20:32.13 | ArthurArchnix | interesting... about the mount stuff... thanks for the info. jelly-home archnix:/dev# groups arthur |
| 20:32.13 | ArthurArchnix | arthur dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev |
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| 20:32.57 | ArthurArchnix | And this is the second movie it's done this with |
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| 20:33.27 | tlmiller | You don't buy your movies from the street vendors in San Francisco CA do ya? ;) |
| 20:34.06 | ArthurArchnix | I'm reading online and it says to do this: ls -al /bin/mount |
| 20:34.24 | ArthurArchnix | Because mount itself may have gotten confused |
| 20:34.30 | ArthurArchnix | about what it can and cannot do |
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| 20:34.42 | Debiangeo | hi |
| 20:35.02 | tlmiller | I doubt mount is confused. He runs under the context of whom he's called by. |
| 20:35.03 | Debiangeo | someone can help me |
| 20:35.13 | ArthurArchnix | can someone else do that and tell me if you see this: archnix:/dev# ls -al /bin/mount |
| 20:35.13 | ArthurArchnix | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 64112 2008-04-29 04:57 /bin/mount |
| 20:35.53 | enouf | oh , hehe, one time, i really messed up my mind - my PATH contained ~/home/username/bin... as first in PATH, and guess what, i had accidentally extracted and initrd in my ~/bin |
| 20:36.04 | enouf | can you guess what's wrong there? |
| 20:36.23 | tlmiller | I get -rwsrr-xr-x 1 root root 64112 2008-04-28 21:57 /bin/mount |
| 20:37.06 | ArthurArchnix | tlmiller: that's different... rwsrr as opposed to mine rwxr |
| 20:37.06 | tlmiller | except I pasted one too many R's |
| 20:37.36 | tlmiller | i had to type it because I'm not able to copy/paste from my xterm |
| 20:37.46 | jelly-home | ArthurArchnix: huh, your mount lost its setuid bit |
| 20:37.48 | tlmiller | typo'd |
| 20:38.04 | jelly-home | ArthurArchnix: chmod u+s /bin/mount |
| 20:38.06 | ArthurArchnix | That's what the forum I'm reading said to look for, but I don't know what a setuid bit is. |
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| 20:38.52 | ArthurArchnix | now it is: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 64112 2008-04-29 04:57 /bin/mount |
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| 20:38.59 | jelly-home | ArthurArchnix: that's good |
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| 20:39.54 | ArthurArchnix | eject ... reinsert... sweet.. LOTR heaven. Thanks jelly-home |
| 20:39.59 | Laeborg|Lap | hi |
| 20:40.09 | Laeborg|Lap | how does i add this into fstab? ln -s "/mnt/sda1/Documents and Settings/Laebirg/My Documents" /data/Documents |
| 20:40.23 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: you don't have to. |
| 20:40.24 | ArthurArchnix | I must be more careful with the su... I obviously messed something up. |
| 20:40.56 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: it's permanent |
| 20:41.09 | Laeborg|Lap | no it isn't |
| 20:41.24 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: the symlink _is_ permanent |
| 20:41.40 | Laeborg|Lap | okay :s |
| 20:41.41 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: ls -ld /data/Documents |
| 20:42.09 | enouf | Well, long story short, i was using the ~/bin/mount, not /bin/mount, lmao |
| 20:42.38 | Laeborg|Lap | okay |
| 20:42.52 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: okay? |
| 20:43.31 | jelly-home | if that's okay, okay then |
| 20:43.39 | enouf | ArthurArchnix: you'll see stat /bin/mount now says 4755 |
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| 20:44.27 | ArthurArchnix | yeah it does. Though I didn't do stat before hand... in fact... I've never heard of stat |
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| 20:45.25 | Laeborg|Lap | thank you very much jelly-home |
| 20:45.40 | Laeborg|Lap | i just needed too add the mount to fstab :) |
| 20:46.02 | Laeborg|Lap | another question: how does i change the hostname of my computer? |
| 20:46.07 | abrotman | !hostname |
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| 20:46.08 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
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| 20:49.17 | Laeborg|Lap | laeborg@dhcppc2 how does i change that to laeborg@laeborg-lap ? |
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| 20:49.35 | jelly-home | dpkg just told you |
| 20:49.36 | dpkg | jelly-home: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 20:49.50 | jelly-home | dpkg: i love you |
| 20:49.50 | dpkg | I love you too, jelly-home. |
| 20:50.00 | Laeborg|Lap | i tried hostname laeborg-lap but it didn't work |
| 20:50.11 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: re-login |
| 20:50.34 | jelly-home | the shell only reads the hostname once, at start |
| 20:50.36 | tlmiller | does anybody here run raid on their desktop linux? |
| 20:51.06 | jelly-home | tlmiller: does it have to be desktop? |
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| 20:51.36 | tlmiller | I suppose not. Desktop function will be this particular machine I'm pondering's main use |
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| 20:52.05 | tlmiller | are you doing hardware or software raid? love it or hate it? |
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| 20:53.32 | jelly-home | both, and it works |
| 20:54.03 | jelly-home | (not doing both on the same machine though) |
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| 20:54.46 | tlmiller | Me I've got 4 or 5 sata 500's to play with and I've been trying to get raid1 and raid10 to play well on the box during install time and since it's a struggle I'm contemplating moving forward with just single disks. |
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| 20:55.01 | jaek | anyone know why the services list in the bluetooth applet is empty? |
| 20:55.11 | tlmiller | struggle because partman locks up at install time |
| 20:55.14 | Laeborg|Lap | jelly-home, hostname laeborg-lap does not set the hostname perm. - |
| 20:55.36 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: yep. read the rest of /msg dpkg hostname |
| 20:55.45 | Laeborg|Lap | !hostname |
| 20:55.45 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 20:55.52 | jelly-home | !msg the bot |
| 20:55.55 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
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| 20:56.31 | Laeborg|Lap | then i need to nano /etc/hostname ? |
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| 20:57.10 | jelly-home | tlmiller: if it locks, you can create the system partition(s) on the first disk, then setup md raid later |
| 20:58.04 | tlmiller | I thought about that, but then do I run the risk of breakage every time I do a dist-upgrade ? |
| 20:58.39 | jelly-home | tlmiller: dist-upgrade doesn't care (or touch) about your partitions |
| 20:58.52 | jelly-home | so no |
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| 21:01.14 | jelly-home | tlmiller: i was thinking of create a small root partition (10-15GB) on a single disk, then after you install, use the 490GB of each disk to set up raid10 |
| 21:01.20 | mohadib | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.32 | mohadib | learned something new today, dont use ESD over wireless :s |
| 21:01.43 | jelly-home | "esd"? |
| 21:02.00 | jelly-home | the sound mixing thingy? |
| 21:02.01 | tlmiller | I'm toying with a 300 MB boot, 8 GB swap and the rest for root |
| 21:02.02 | mohadib | enligten sounds dameon or some sucj |
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| 21:02.56 | eruc | Hi |
| 21:02.57 | tlmiller | But can root be migrated afterwards to raid10... I know /boot and / can be migrated to raid1 |
| 21:03.18 | MrWax | Does anyone know what "" |
| 21:03.23 | MrWax | For security reasons we want to run BIND chrooted means? |
| 21:03.44 | tlmiller | Google knows. :) |
| 21:03.51 | MrWax | seriously |
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| 21:04.28 | eruc | I am experimenting Linux Debian running on KDE and for some reason, i cannot run any programs directly from console |
| 21:04.32 | eruc | Anyone has an idea? |
| 21:04.35 | tlmiller | chroot is sort of like a mini subset of a working system |
| 21:04.43 | Stilgar^ | eruc: what do you do exactly? |
| 21:04.53 | MrWax | tlmiller: ok |
| 21:05.01 | MrWax | tlmiller: what would it do in this context? |
| 21:05.06 | eruc | something like "eruc:/home/eruc# kedit" |
| 21:05.09 | eruc | under root |
| 21:05.14 | eruc | or anything |
| 21:05.23 | jelly-home | eruc: what error does it report? |
| 21:05.29 | tlmiller | the idea is you run a service in the chroot so if it's exploited, the exploiter remains in this smaller area and cannot impact your full os. |
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| 21:05.42 | eruc | 3 line error, can i copy past it here? |
| 21:05.49 | enouf | try "kdeinit kwrite" |
| 21:06.00 | enouf | but i bet it's a dcop error :-P |
| 21:06.07 | jelly-home | eruc: does running eg. "ls" work? (three lines are ok, for more use a pastebin) |
| 21:06.27 | eruc | i dont know how to use pastebin -_- |
| 21:06.32 | eruc | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 21:06.33 | eruc | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
| 21:06.33 | eruc | kedit: cannot connect to X server :0.0 |
| 21:06.33 | Stilgar^ | eruc: I think so. I'm new here as well :) |
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| 21:06.36 | eruc | Thats the error |
| 21:06.41 | enouf | oh |
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| 21:06.51 | MrWax | tlmiller: ok, but what does it do with security ? |
| 21:06.57 | tlmiller | Having set up chroots for SSH and SFTP myself, I'd just allocate a box specifically for the tax and harden that one the best I could. I don't think the juice is worth the squeeze myself. |
| 21:07.00 | Stilgar^ | eruc: are you trying to run a program from a different user than the one that started the X server? |
| 21:07.00 | eruc | jelly-home: yes it works |
| 21:07.01 | enouf | export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 21:07.06 | jelly-home | eruc: don't run X apps under root without a VERY good reason |
| 21:07.25 | eruc | ok.. |
| 21:07.29 | enouf | yeah, that too, don't do that |
| 21:07.33 | Mark17 | hello, what driver do i need to select? i use net install 4.0 and i have the following network card: broadcom 5464 |
| 21:07.34 | eruc | ok :P |
| 21:07.37 | eruc | sec |
| 21:07.38 | enouf | there's crap like kdesu for that |
| 21:07.39 | tlmiller | MrWax, the concept is to keep the exploiter from gaining full control to the complete system. Instead they only get a subset |
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| 21:07.59 | eruc | ok, it works when i didnt "su" |
| 21:08.00 | eruc | -_- |
| 21:08.01 | eruc | Sorry |
| 21:08.02 | eruc | ^ |
| 21:08.02 | tlmiller | It minimizes your exposure footprint |
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| 21:08.06 | Laeborg|Lap | one thing more (sorry im not a expert to debian) my clock is wrong, and every time i reboot the clock is wrong again, how do i fix this ? |
| 21:08.33 | jelly-home | eruc: don't run ANYTHING as root if you don't absolutely have to |
| 21:08.42 | eruc | ok |
| 21:08.49 | eruc | im trying to set up wireless lan |
| 21:08.54 | enouf | !sudo |
| 21:08.55 | dpkg | i guess sudo is (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>) |
| 21:08.56 | Stilgar^ | Laeborg|Lap: try "hwclock --systohc" |
| 21:09.14 | jelly-home | eruc: k, you'll need root for that :-) |
| 21:09.25 | eruc | and running the app knetworkmanager |
| 21:09.32 | jelly-home | who's talon? |
| 21:09.46 | Laeborg|Lap | select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 21:10.02 | Stilgar^ | My question is about kernel building, good people. I'm on debian-unstable, with the distro's kernel. I'd like to modify just one module and compile it. Which packages do I need to build a kernel that's identical to debian's kernel? |
| 21:10.04 | enouf | i've seen that |
| 21:10.15 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: what app said that, a media player? which kernel are you running? |
| 21:10.16 | Stilgar^ | Laeborg|Lap: is that a Fujitsu laptop? |
| 21:10.31 | Laeborg|Lap | no Acer Extensa 5620 |
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| 21:10.58 | enouf | Laeborg|Lap: i've seen your error on lkml, i forget the fix, hpet=force, or some rtc magic, i forget ..gah |
| 21:11.05 | Stilgar^ | try the same hwclock command, just add --directisa |
| 21:11.11 | enouf | yeah |
| 21:11.26 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: lsmod|grep rtc |
| 21:11.56 | Laeborg|Lap | rtc 12372 0 |
| 21:12.03 | jelly-home | Laeborg|Lap: uname -r ? |
| 21:12.03 | enouf | grep Real /var/log/dmesg |
| 21:12.09 | enouf | nm |
| 21:12.28 | Laeborg|Lap | Real Time Clock Driver v1.12ac |
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| 21:12.53 | MrWax | what does mkdir -p do? |
| 21:13.03 | enouf | adds dirs that don't yet exist |
| 21:13.14 | enouf | in the path you provide |
| 21:13.17 | MrWax | doesn't mkdir normally do that to? |
| 21:13.21 | enouf | no |
| 21:13.26 | jelly-home | MrWax: if /a exist, and you want to create /a/b/c/d, it'll create all the dirs needed |
| 21:13.26 | MrWax | ok |
| 21:13.38 | MrWax | thought mkdir did that to |
| 21:13.47 | benjamindees | Stilgar^, you're going to need 'kernel-package' |
| 21:13.48 | jelly-home | it did, if given -p |
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| 21:14.10 | Stilgar^ | benjamindees: thanks. That will contain the .config file used for debian and such? |
| 21:14.35 | jelly-home | Stilgar^: the config file is present in /boot |
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| 21:14.52 | benjamindees | Stilgar^, no the .config file comes with the kernel itself; it may be in the kernel source package as well |
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| 21:14.55 | enouf | Stilgar^: and/or in any -headers pkgs you installed |
| 21:15.19 | enouf | no .config comes with vanilla kernel.org kernels either |
| 21:15.21 | muddd | ah ha |
| 21:15.30 | jelly-home | Stilgar^: kernel-package is a utility to build debian packages out of kernel sources |
| 21:15.38 | Stilgar^ | enouf: I know. I was just wondering where Debian hide it's . |
| 21:15.57 | enouf | in /boot/config-* and in -headers and -source pkgs |
| 21:16.12 | Stilgar^ | Thanks |
| 21:16.13 | enouf | erm, not 100% sure of -source ones |
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| 21:16.44 | MrWax | where can mknod be used for in general? anyone knows? |
| 21:16.53 | jelly-home | MrWax: anywhere? |
| 21:16.57 | jelly-home | MrWax: why? |
| 21:17.07 | benjamindees | to make device nodes in /dev ? |
| 21:17.10 | ArthurArchnix | Hi.. i'm troy maclure. You might remember me from such problems as "I can't get my DVD to play" and "Hey, what's a setuid bit anyway!" |
| 21:17.25 | enouf | it's usually not need much anymore, sometimes for some odd mouse/keys/peripherals though, i guess |
| 21:17.27 | jelly-home | oh noes! everyone hide! |
| 21:17.34 | ArthurArchnix | Well, if so, you'll probably enjoy my next question, "Why the heck can't I eject this thing?" |
| 21:17.50 | enouf | haha |
| 21:17.54 | jelly-home | ArthurArchnix: linux won't let you eject mounted dvds |
| 21:18.08 | enouf | but it's not mounted! :-p |
| 21:18.17 | jelly-home | enouf: shutup |
| 21:18.17 | ArthurArchnix | haha... you just blew my mind |
| 21:18.20 | enouf | haha |
| 21:18.45 | ArthurArchnix | In fact I do get a "mount" error when I right-click on the desktop and ask it to be ejected. |
| 21:18.54 | enouf | ArthurArchnix: 'mount' says? about it? |
| 21:19.06 | ArthurArchnix | But I only tried that because I tried physically pressing the eject button and that didn't work either. |
| 21:19.15 | enouf | use eject pkg |
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| 21:19.22 | jaek | get a new battery |
| 21:19.22 | jaek | it sounds like the small one that keeps the bios settings is dead |
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| 21:19.26 | enouf | eject /dev/cdrom or whatever |
| 21:19.29 | tlmiller | and get out of the directory that is mounted |
| 21:19.51 | ArthurArchnix | aptitude says it's installed |
| 21:19.52 | muddd | i seem to have lost a screen, i can't connect to it but its still there |
| 21:20.04 | Stilgar^ | MrWax: you can use mknod on any filesystem, unless it's got nodev in it's mount options |
| 21:20.10 | muddd | is there a way to force my way in? |
| 21:20.13 | enouf | ArthurArchnix: i'm curious what mount outputs though |
| 21:20.13 | ArthurArchnix | aptitude search eject says 'i' beside the eject package |
| 21:20.19 | ArthurArchnix | one sec |
| 21:20.23 | jelly-home | muddd: screen -dr |
| 21:20.25 | tlmiller | screen has a force option |
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| 21:20.54 | jelly-home | muddd: if -d doesn't work, replace with -D |
| 21:21.19 | ArthurArchnix | Ok, when I right-click on the gnome-desktop and say eject, It says "cannot unmount volume" then "lotr_rotk" is not mounted" |
| 21:21.25 | muddd | doh found out i had a screen in screen |
| 21:21.29 | muddd | thx |
| 21:21.32 | Laeborg|Lap | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.45 | jelly-home | ArthurArchnix: what does "df" say, is it mounteD? |
| 21:21.53 | Stilgar^ | Guys, it works. I was able to get that el-cheapo usb temperature monitor to work. |
| 21:22.08 | jelly-home | !win Stilgar^ |
| 21:22.08 | ArthurArchnix | But... if i just type "eject /dev/cdrom" into the terminal... it pops right out! |
| 21:22.09 | dpkg | Congratulations, Stilgar^! You have won the US presidency! |
| 21:22.37 | tlmiller | too bad that office doesn't hold an prestige any longer ;( |
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| 21:22.42 | Stilgar^ | heh |
| 21:22.58 | jelly-home | ArthurArchnix: the eject command umounts everything it can and tries to eject it in several ways (don't ask why there _are_ several ways to do it) |
| 21:23.12 | enouf | MrWax: anything you make with mknod will likely vanish across reboots, b/c udev makes /dev/ a vfs, self-populating on boot. |
| 21:23.37 | enouf | MrWax: hence /sbin/MAKEDEV script, and udev* tools |
| 21:23.56 | ArthurArchnix | Ok... well I don't watch movies on this too much. BUt I'm happy to learn a workaround beside rebooting |
| 21:24.06 | enouf | ArthurArchnix: you never answered me :-( .. and i asked twice |
| 21:24.20 | ArthurArchnix | didn't I? I'm sorry. I've been drinking heavily. |
| 21:24.29 | jelly-home | enouf: [udev] and not only on boot, but any time a new device gets plugged into the machine! |
| 21:24.36 | Debiangeo | someone can help me to configure client CUPS to LPD server ? |
| 21:24.40 | enouf | ArthurArchnix: well, if you ever are there again, show me mount output |
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| 21:25.03 | enouf | jelly-home: udev doesn't wipe out /dev/ upon a new device ;-) |
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| 21:25.32 | jelly-home | enouf: but it's not self-populating on boot _only_ |
| 21:25.51 | enouf | ArthurArchnix: but yeah, i awalys use eject (psst - see the -t option) |
| 21:25.55 | ArthurArchnix | here is mount and df http://pastebin.com/m7ee8f90b |
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| 21:26.12 | Debiangeo | ? |
| 21:26.15 | enouf | smacks jelly-home with a pedant .. but yeah |
| 21:26.42 | enouf | udevtrigger, udevcontrol reload_rules, etc etc |
| 21:26.47 | jelly-home | interesting, /media/cdrom0 visible only in mount |
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| 21:27.19 | doublehp | http://rafb.net/p/HQaHmA81.html how to know why the package will not be installed ? |
| 21:28.12 | abrotman | doublehp: dpkg -l chrony .. already installed ? |
| 21:28.27 | abrotman | and your testing/unstable system is pretty out of date |
| 21:28.31 | jelly-home | ArthurArchnix: looks like gnome/hal/whatever leaves the dvd mounted on /media/cdrom0 even after you quit the player |
| 21:28.40 | doublehp | abrotman: in which case it should have say "already latest is installed" |
| 21:28.47 | enouf | ArthurArchnix: applications and gnome DE slaves lock the device, i guess it's all dbus/hal/automount stuff - it won't let go ;-) - might want to try moving the mount point off /media, to like /mnt |
| 21:28.48 | abrotman | doublehp: dpkg -l chrony .. already installed ? |
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| 21:29.07 | jelly-home | ArthurArchnix: "eject cdrom0" ought to work |
| 21:29.09 | doublehp | abrotman: rah, youa re right. Why did aptitude not say it is installed ??? |
| 21:29.11 | ArthurArchnix | That would make sense. It would explain why physically pressing eject doesn't work |
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| 21:29.21 | abrotman | doublehp: NFC .. i didn't write the software |
| 21:29.52 | ArthurArchnix | jelly-home: it does... it's my workaround. I'll look into this more later. You think maybe changing the mount point in fstab might help? |
| 21:30.20 | ArthurArchnix | As enouf says |
| 21:30.22 | jelly-home | ArthurArchnix: unlikely |
| 21:31.08 | jelly-home | ArthurArchnix: if I'm correct, you already don't have /media/cdrom0 in fstab; that's hal's doing |
| 21:31.18 | Mark17 | where can i find a list off additional drivers for network cards for debian 64 bit net install? |
| 21:31.21 | doublehp | abrotman: there is still a problem; http://rafb.net/p/fqfh4714.html |
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| 21:31.37 | ArthurArchnix | /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 21:31.41 | enouf | usually cdrom0 is a symlink from cdrom |
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| 21:31.47 | enouf | oh well ;-) |
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| 21:32.02 | abrotman | doublehp: how is that a problem ? |
| 21:32.04 | ArthurArchnix | I'll try commenting that out. Reboot and see what happens |
| 21:32.22 | ArthurArchnix | Maybe that line is fighting with hal |
| 21:32.23 | enouf | still could be .. ls -l /dev/cdrom0 .. or better, udevinfo -q all -n /dev/hda |
| 21:33.10 | doublehp | abrotman: because i want to use chrony !!! fact is: i can not even remove openntpd : http://rafb.net/p/nI49Bu39.html |
| 21:33.32 | abrotman | doublehp: why do you think chrony needs an init.d script ? |
| 21:33.39 | doublehp | abrotman: in other words: i can not install or remove anything |
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| 21:34.03 | ArthurArchnix | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m6b9f653b |
| 21:34.14 | ArthurArchnix | the udevinfo if you like |
| 21:34.16 | ArthurArchnix | jesus this movies soundtrack is epic |
| 21:34.20 | tlmiller | switching root to raid10 after installing a base system on a single disk should be relatively straight forward right? As in, people have done it and blogged about it? I'm having a hard time getting google hits because "root" is a common word |
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| 21:34.27 | abrotman | doublehp: i really don't see a problem |
| 21:34.45 | ArthurArchnix | There's apparently a symphony (or was) travelling around playing the LOTR soundtrack. |
| 21:34.51 | ArthurArchnix | Woulda been nice to see. |
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| 21:35.21 | enouf | ArthurArchnix: lines 4-8 (start with S: ) are all symlinks - i see no cdrom0 there |
| 21:35.21 | doublehp | abrotman: how can a daemon start without script ? |
| 21:35.52 | ArthurArchnix | ok... so... my fstab line does nothing |
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| 21:36.12 | abrotman | maybe chrony runs from inetd ? |
| 21:36.17 | enouf | doublehp: hrm, you want to place a startup script somewhere? tried /etc/rc.local ? |
| 21:36.29 | jelly-home | tlmiller: raid1 yes, raid10 no idea |
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| 21:36.43 | doublehp | enouf: i want to know why my computer is not intime ! |
| 21:36.46 | Lethargik | hey guys, any idea why referring to localhost on my etch machine wouldn't work? |
| 21:36.47 | abrotman | doublehp: i have no idea what you've done to your system .. but chrony should have a /etc/init.d/chrony file ? |
| 21:36.58 | toddoon | hi how add new repository like ubuntu and where are these? |
| 21:37.01 | enouf | doublehp: and see /etc/init.d/rc.local - there's also bootmisc.sh, iirc |
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| 21:37.09 | abrotman | !tell toddoon about mirrors |
| 21:37.18 | uski | Hi. I have two sources in my APT sources.list; I would like to specify which source should be used |
| 21:37.21 | uski | how can i do that? |
| 21:37.28 | tlmiller | wonders what is this ubuntu creature? |
| 21:37.30 | ArthurArchnix | I must go. Middle Earth calls. Thank you for the help. I'll remove the line in fstab and see what happens. I'll let you know what I found at some point in the next few weeks. If no one is here, I will let abrotman know. |
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| 21:37.42 | abrotman | heh |
| 21:37.43 | enouf | ArthurArchnix: well, sure it does, it mounts on that /media/cdrom0 jusy seems udev and hal know nothing aboiut it ;-) |
| 21:37.51 | jelly-home | uski: if they are for the same release, the first one wins |
| 21:37.54 | john_connor | Many CHinese products are made in prison labor camps with less than decent materials. |
| 21:37.57 | ArthurArchnix | cheeers |
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| 21:38.44 | uski | jelly-home, I know there is a way to select something, but I can't recall what the command is - i think it is something like "dpkg select alternative" or so |
| 21:38.46 | jelly-home | john_connor: please don't use this volunteer support channel for offtopic discussion |
| 21:38.54 | muddd | is there an easy way to revert my deb installation to its original fresh just installed state? its barebones really but I added crap that I dont want anymore and apt-get will take forever |
| 21:38.57 | enouf | doublehp: you mean it's drifting? not keeping correct time? or is date/time off? |
| 21:39.40 | jelly-home | uski: no idea. show your sources.list and explain what you're trying to do? |
| 21:39.59 | enouf | uski: apt-cache policy should tell you which one will be used per default |
| 21:40.35 | jelly-home | muddd: no; remove the crap instead or reinstall. do a backup of the initial system the next time |
| 21:40.50 | enouf | uski: you can install specific versions of pkgs easily on the command line .. or if you have mixed releases you want -t lenny say |
| 21:40.50 | muddd | yeah i was thinking that last part toooo late heh. I will thanks |
| 21:41.00 | doublehp | abrotman: enouf found the problem: package does not fill /etc/rc*.d/ ... |
| 21:41.08 | doublehp | after reboot => nbothing running |
| 21:41.10 | uski | jelly-home, I have an additionnal source for some multimedia packages which do not have all the features in the debian repository for some patent-related stuff. I would like to be sure that the correct source is used for these packages so that I have all the features |
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| 21:41.21 | jelly-home | really needs to find a simple image-backup app to recommend |
| 21:41.22 | enouf | doublehp: ok, does an initrd script exist? which one? |
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| 21:41.34 | abrotman | doublehp: i'd imagine it should .. man update-rc.d |
| 21:41.35 | jelly-home | uski: debian-multimedia? |
| 21:41.41 | enouf | doublehp: we can easily make symlinks that point to it ;-) |
| 21:41.50 | uski | jelly-home, yea :) |
| 21:42.04 | uski | i was trying to read a H264 encoded stream but it complains that it cannot find the decoder |
| 21:42.06 | enouf | utb_diablo: see wiki.debian.org and use pinning for dmm |
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| 21:42.24 | smhar | greetings |
| 21:42.39 | enouf | sorry, not utb_diablo , i meant uski |
| 21:42.49 | uski | enouf, thanks |
| 21:42.52 | utb_diablo | enouf, no problem :) |
| 21:42.57 | jelly-home | uski: it has bigger version number than the ones in debian, so it usually gets installed first. use "apt-cache policy packagename" to look up a single package |
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| 21:43.42 | jelly-home | uski: pinning might help, but it can also cause problems |
| 21:44.01 | jelly-home | !pinning |
| 21:44.01 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning, http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html. If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
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| 21:44.04 | uski | it looks like i actually have another problem - apt-cache policy shows that apt does not use at all the debian-multimedia mirrors |
| 21:44.27 | enouf | jelly-home: do you know if apt-get./aptitude accept an -o for Origin for installation? |
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| 21:44.34 | doublehp | abrotman: enouf i ll report if i can reproduce on an other box. |
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| 21:44.38 | jelly-home | uski: did you do an apt-get update or aptitude update after adding dmm? |
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| 21:44.53 | uski | jelly-home, yes i did |
| 21:45.09 | enouf | uski: note, dmm uses other repos too |
| 21:45.13 | uski | maybe the syntax I have in sources.list is wrong |
| 21:45.14 | enouf | mirrors |
| 21:45.16 | uski | yea |
| 21:45.24 | uski | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main |
| 21:45.24 | uski | deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main |
| 21:45.31 | uski | i'll check if that is OK |
| 21:45.37 | smhar | I have installed virtualbox ose from repo then because of usb support I downloaded and installed virtualbox binary from VB website using dpkg -i package . then I changed my mind and uninstalled it using dpkg -r package. them installed vb ose again using apt. now when I try to run virtualbox nothing happens. I tried it from the shell and I got this error: Could not find VirtualBox installation. Please reinstall.. How to solve this? |
| 21:46.21 | enouf | check 'apt-cache policy' output and /var/lib/apt/lists is it? |
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| 21:46.56 | jelly-home | enouf: no idea about Origin |
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| 21:47.29 | jelly-home | smhar: which do you have now? |
| 21:47.43 | enouf | jelly-home: turns out my dmm repos happen to be 990 |
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| 21:47.53 | smhar | jelly-home: the ose one from the repo |
| 21:47.54 | enouf | all others are 500 and below |
| 21:48.03 | jelly-home | smhar: oh, you didn't purge the configuration for the nonfree package |
| 21:48.10 | enouf | oh crap - i lied .. sorry |
| 21:48.14 | jelly-home | smhar: dpkg --purge virtualbox |
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| 21:48.31 | jelly-home | smhar: you might need to purge and reinstall -ose after that too |
| 21:48.36 | MrWax | what is the best way to set and maintain the time on a debian system? |
| 21:48.50 | enouf | uski: if they are tied though, it should grab the newest version - and dmms are always newer |
| 21:49.01 | benjamindees | man date |
| 21:49.19 | enouf | but, sometimes, they alter the names/versions ,, so .. just use -s in your command to be sure ;-) |
| 21:49.21 | jelly-home | woman date. |
| 21:49.38 | smhar | jelly-home: WILL TRY THAT.. THANKS |
| 21:49.46 | uski | enouf, I don't understand why debian doesn't use the debian-multimedia source - the line I use is correct (according to debian-multimedia website), i did apt-get update and everything, but the mirror still doesn't show with apt-cache policy vlc |
| 21:50.37 | enouf | uski: show us in pastebin apt-cache policy, sources.list and ls /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 21:50.43 | uski | ok, hold on |
| 21:51.12 | unop | uski, vlc comes from the debian repos not the debian-multimedia ones |
| 21:51.13 | dmoerner | uski: that's because there isn't vlc in debian multimedia... |
| 21:51.27 | uski | dmoerner, now I feel dumb. |
| 21:51.31 | enouf | oh did he mention vlc? |
| 21:51.44 | uski | (yea... <:/) |
| 21:51.49 | enouf | oh ffs .. shows how much i pay attention .. |
| 21:51.51 | uski | hides in a hole |
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| 21:52.25 | uski | so... why does VLC doesn't decode my H264 stream and is there a way to make that happen? |
| 21:52.26 | enouf | try with mplayer to test uski |
| 21:52.42 | uski | it doesn't work presumably because of a transport problem (it's a stream from my ISP for live TV) |
| 21:52.45 | enouf | haha .. you might want dmm ffmpeg |
| 21:53.07 | jelly-home | yeah but debian vlc will use debian's libc |
| 21:53.10 | jelly-home | libs |
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| 21:53.31 | uski | enouf, good call, i'm trying that |
| 21:53.33 | enouf | doesn't use vlc |
| 21:53.40 | uski | has to for this stream :/ |
| 21:54.10 | Laeborg|Lap | how do i install kdmtheme on debian ? |
| 21:54.14 | Laeborg|Lap | i use kde |
| 21:54.26 | dmoerner | Laeborg|Lap: aptitude install kdmtheme |
| 21:54.31 | uski | enouf, [00000313] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `h264'. :/ |
| 21:54.51 | uski | and apt-cache policy tells me that it's the ffmpeg from debian-multimedia which is installed |
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| 21:55.06 | Laeborg|Lap | doh, i just couldn't find it with apt-get install :S |
| 21:55.12 | dmoerner | uski: do you have x264 installed? |
| 21:55.17 | enouf | uski: i would mplayer and ask in mplayer - or try #vlc and/or #v4l |
| 21:55.40 | uski | dmoerner, i thought x264 was an encoder, not a decoder - but i can try, it can't hurt |
| 21:56.03 | enouf | i guess i don't use fourcc or h264 either :-P |
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| 21:56.09 | dmoerner | uski: i wouldn't know but it seems reasonably that libx264-60 might decode |
| 21:56.36 | dmoerner | it's in dmm |
| 21:56.51 | uski | it still doesn't work even with that lib installed - i think i'm gonna ask in #mplayer |
| 21:57.04 | jelly-home | enouf: you do use fourcc if you play .avis or stuff |
| 21:57.09 | uski | it looks like mplayer has the correct decoder |
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| 21:57.19 | enouf | uski: if uusing vlc, ask in #vlc ;-) |
| 21:57.24 | enouf | ok |
| 21:57.53 | jelly-home | maybe marillat needs to include a build of vlc as well |
| 21:57.54 | enouf | jelly-home: i guess i don't much, ogg/theora, mpeg2/4, mp3 etc |
| 21:58.19 | enouf | i wonder if it's at unofficial-debian.net |
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| 21:58.53 | enouf | crap - i always mess that up |
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| 22:00.51 | smhar | jelly-home:did dpkg --purge virtualbox then apt-get remove vb then apt-get install vb but got the same errror! whereis virtualbox says: virtualbox: /usr/bin/virtualbox /usr/lib/virtualbox /usr/share/virtualbox |
| 22:01.46 | jelly-home | smhar: you didn't purge virtualbox-ose |
| 22:01.52 | jelly-home | not that |
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| 22:02.13 | jelly-home | I don't think I'd have helped, but stiull |
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| 22:02.21 | enouf | oh ffs already |
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| 22:04.31 | smhar | jelly-home: oops... not that... after doing it ..every thing worked fine.. thank you |
| 22:04.48 | jelly-home | heads for bed |
| 22:05.25 | abrotman | wussy! |
| 22:07.05 | enouf | ah, finally!! http://debian-unofficial.org/packages.html |
| 22:07.10 | enouf | ffs |
| 22:07.30 | enouf | no vlc :-P |
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| 22:08.05 | JordiGH | Marillat broke my VLC. :-/ |
| 22:08.18 | JordiGH | doesn't want to bother fixing it; totem works. |
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| 22:08.39 | uski | How can I force apt to use an older package from a given repository if I know the version from apt-cache policy? |
| 22:08.51 | abrotman | man aptitude |
| 22:08.58 | uski | (reading) |
| 22:09.06 | JordiGH | uski aptitude install $package=$version |
| 22:09.13 | uski | thanks |
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| 22:16.59 | Laeborg|Lap | how does i change the font color in my kicker? i usign kde |
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| 22:19.28 | lynucs | hmm. curious. what might cause that some programs do not start or crash with segfault message on my debian lenny machine? |
| 22:19.34 | lynucs | thunar dont start at all |
| 22:19.44 | lynucs | evince starts, but crashes if i go on the file-diallog |
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| 22:22.42 | lynucs | acroread doesn't start too |
| 22:22.45 | lynucs | oO |
| 22:23.08 | MrWax | what does mv -f do? |
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| 22:23.21 | lynucs | maybe some gtk package or sth like this (more basic) is damaged in some way? |
| 22:23.35 | lynucs | s/basic/general |
| 22:23.49 | benjamindees | lynucs, some sort of hosed upgrade / corrupted library |
| 22:24.21 | lynucs | benjamindees: any way i could start try to solve it? |
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| 22:24.57 | benjamindees | fsck, debsums, etc... |
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| 22:25.11 | lynucs | reinstall all packages? := |
| 22:25.14 | lynucs | :) |
| 22:25.17 | Traveler232 | hello (I can't access the ubuntu channel for some reason) but I figure I can get my answer here. How do I find out if I have java installed? |
| 22:25.30 | abrotman | Traveler232: no you cannot, go to #ubuntu or ##linux |
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| 22:26.01 | Nyle | man |
| 22:26.02 | Nyle | oh man |
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| 22:26.08 | lynucs | Traveler232: i'm sure ubuntu's portal has just nice wiki page on it |
| 22:26.14 | Nyle | oh man dude |
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| 22:26.30 | Nyle | ubuntu has pretty decent documentation for what it is worth |
| 22:27.00 | Nyle | look at ubuntu wiki search for java |
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| 22:27.05 | Nyle | have f un |
| 22:27.14 | Traveler232 | ok thanks nyle. |
| 22:27.33 | Laeborg|Lap | any rar archive for debian ? |
| 22:27.47 | abrotman | yes |
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| 22:27.54 | jetx | !reinstall |
| 22:27.54 | dpkg | i heard reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone> |
| 22:28.22 | cgibin | hello |
| 22:28.23 | Laeborg|Lap | whats it called? |
| 22:28.26 | cgibin | http://debian.pastebin.com/m1577a297 |
| 22:28.26 | lynucs | there's a tyoe |
| 22:28.31 | abrotman | Laeborg|Lap: apt-cache search rar |
| 22:28.31 | lynucs | typo |
| 22:28.39 | jetx | Traveler232: why would you think you could get an ubuntu answer here? |
| 22:28.42 | lynucs | Laeborg|Lap: rar + unrar |
| 22:28.49 | abrotman | cgibin: ask #ubuntu ? |
| 22:29.07 | jetx | !kill Nyle |
| 22:29.08 | dpkg | mangles Nyle with his teeth |
| 22:29.10 | cgibin | ya, this is my 4th chan asking |
| 22:29.13 | abrotman | cgibin: ask #ubuntu ? |
| 22:29.19 | cgibin | sure did, no one knows |
| 22:29.22 | abrotman | cgibin: we do not support ubuntu here |
| 22:29.31 | Nyle | hey jet |
| 22:29.32 | Nyle | dude |
| 22:29.32 | cgibin | its debian system |
| 22:29.34 | cgibin | what you mean |
| 22:29.36 | Nyle | I need ssh access man |
| 22:29.38 | jetx | no it's not |
| 22:29.40 | abrotman | cgibin: no it's not .. i can tell by the package names |
| 22:29.41 | Nyle | without i its killin me |
| 22:29.45 | Nyle | msg msg msg msg msg msg msg me |
| 22:29.45 | jetx | Nyle: no tengo |
| 22:29.49 | jetx | ain't none |
| 22:29.54 | Traveler232 | jetx: I am new to this stuff, but I figured ubuntu is built upon debian... is that not a fact? |
| 22:29.55 | Nyle | bullslakha |
| 22:29.57 | lynucs | in dpkg's !reinstall is a typo: s/or COLUMNS/for COLUMNS/ |
| 22:30.15 | jetx | seriously, those accounts don't have it |
| 22:30.20 | abrotman | lynucs: no .. that's correct |
| 22:30.24 | jetx | just the vps |
| 22:30.39 | Deepa^school | Anyone know off-hand what you could add into iptables to get the same effect as NAT? |
| 22:30.47 | Deepa^school | It's a desktop PC connected directly to the internet |
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| 22:30.52 | lynucs | abrotman: hrmpf |
| 22:30.52 | jetx | !based on |
| 22:30.53 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 22:31.00 | abrotman | Deepa^school: #iptables or netfilter.org or lartc.org |
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| 22:31.22 | abrotman | Deepa^school: ISTR that the netfilter.org has a document to tell you how to do that |
| 22:31.27 | Deepa^school | Such specialization |
| 22:31.29 | Deepa^school | Okies |
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| 22:32.59 | jetx | heh something borked out scrollkeeper this current update |
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| 22:34.42 | enouf | Deepa^school: /msg dpkg ipmasq ? |
| 22:35.05 | robin_sz | hi there ... i have a DHCP question ... I have a router on the 'net htat serves up DHCP .. and about 20 boxen, sometimes after a power outage boxes are up before the router is ready to serve up DHCP (been 15 minutes for various reasons) and the boxes have come up on an old IP rather than just sittign and waiting for the DHCP answers ... what are the normal ways around this sort of thing? |
| 22:35.14 | MrWax | ISPConfig would be prefereable to use on most webservers right? |
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| 22:36.04 | enouf | Deepa^school: $ iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $WAN_IF -s $LAN_NET -j MASQUERADE <--something like that? |
| 22:36.11 | jetx | hey have ya'll ever seen that movie where the dentist tortures his patients? i think i went to his daughter :/ |
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| 22:36.25 | Deepa^school | Sorry for bad formatting |
| 22:36.29 | enouf | eating rahul? |
| 22:36.32 | Deepa^school | What I want it to do, is being unable to host servers and such |
| 22:36.38 | Deepa^school | It's a desktop PC for a really thick user |
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| 22:37.05 | robin_sz | errr |
| 22:37.34 | enouf | well, i really am ignorant when it comes to iptables - debian-administration.org also has some decent articles, general |
| 22:37.35 | robin_sz | Deepa^school, is it behind a NAT firewall onto the internet? |
| 22:37.40 | Deepa^school | No it is not |
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| 22:37.58 | robin_sz | direct to net? |
| 22:38.06 | jetx | a router with a firewall would qualify as that i belive |
| 22:38.13 | robin_sz | me nods |
| 22:38.18 | jetx | like linksys whatever |
| 22:38.18 | robin_sz | yep a router with a NAT |
| 22:38.21 | robin_sz | yep |
| 22:38.29 | jetx | okie long as you know |
| 22:38.35 | robin_sz | i do |
| 22:38.43 | jetx | oh i mean him/her |
| 22:38.52 | robin_sz | it VERY unusual for a desktop machine to be direct to net |
| 22:39.11 | robin_sz | well, ok, a bit unusual |
| 22:39.22 | jetx | well at&t had a dsl modem that seemed to do that |
| 22:39.26 | jetx | little tiny box |
| 22:39.29 | jetx | one hookup |
| 22:39.31 | enouf | many weenies just plug in their adsl modem and go :-P |
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| 22:39.41 | enouf | to the usb port no less |
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| 22:39.46 | enouf | ugh |
| 22:39.51 | robin_sz | ugh |
| 22:39.52 | Deepa^school | When I say it's not behind NAT, and it's directly connected to the net |
| 22:39.55 | robin_sz | forgot about that |
| 22:40.02 | Deepa^school | I do mean that it's directly connected to the net, not behind a router and definately not behind NAT :P |
| 22:40.13 | enouf | modem? |
| 22:40.15 | robin_sz | so the PV ip addy is the internet addy? |
| 22:40.20 | Deepa^school | modem without NAT |
| 22:40.24 | enouf | crappy modem/router combo? |
| 22:40.30 | robin_sz | coo, nasty |
| 22:40.31 | Deepa^school | IT DOES NOT HAVE NAT |
| 22:40.39 | Deepa^school | It's directly connected to the internet :p |
| 22:40.40 | enouf | does it have Nat> |
| 22:40.41 | enouf | ? |
| 22:40.44 | enouf | :-p |
| 22:40.54 | jetx | i find lokkit to be a simple easy way for a noob to set up a strong fw |
| 22:41.00 | jetx | !info lokkit |
| 22:41.14 | jetx | hmm |
| 22:41.25 | dpkg | lokkit: (basic interactive firewall configuration tool (console interface)), section net, is optional. Version: 0.50.22-7.2 (sid), Packaged size: 127 kB, Installed size: 792 kB |
| 22:41.28 | jetx | ah |
| 22:41.29 | enouf | why not buy a 30$ router? |
| 22:41.42 | jetx | i mean the easiest thing in the world |
| 22:41.54 | robin_sz | ive used various custom scripts to config iptables .. none particualryl elegant or pleasant to admin |
| 22:41.59 | enouf | don't you need more than 1 NIC anyway? ... to serve your LAN, etc |
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| 22:42.16 | jetx | just hit high med or low and hit enter, basically |
| 22:42.17 | Deepa^school | It's not going to serve the lan |
| 22:42.27 | enouf | what's it doing? |
| 22:42.28 | Deepa^school | IT's going to save hte user from becoming a warez ftp |
| 22:42.32 | robin_sz | lokkit sounds liek the thing then |
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| 22:42.35 | jetx | lokkit |
| 22:42.43 | enouf | better also install denyhosts/fail2ban |
| 22:42.52 | robin_sz | nods |
| 22:42.55 | robin_sz | well, |
| 22:43.06 | Deepa^school | those are already in |
| 22:43.10 | robin_sz | prolly not going to be exposing ssh anyway |
| 22:43.16 | Deepa^school | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.21 | jetx | thing is, lokkit pulls in gnome-lokkit, which is a LOT of bloat |
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| 22:43.29 | Deepa^school | It's running KDE |
| 22:43.30 | jetx | but you don't have to let it pull it in |
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| 22:43.40 | jetx | it's ok will work fine under kde |
| 22:43.41 | enouf | thick users start searching for workarounds once they know they're locked down :-P |
| 22:43.53 | jetx | hell use the kde kiosk stuff :) |
| 22:44.09 | enouf | yeah, kde is already bloated :-P |
| 22:44.10 | dmoerner | jetx: aptitude install --without-recommends lokkit doesn't bring in gnome-lokkit |
| 22:44.13 | enouf | hides |
| 22:44.13 | Deepa^school | enouf: not this kind of sick user no |
| 22:44.16 | Deepa^school | err |
| 22:44.17 | jetx | ah |
| 22:44.18 | Deepa^school | thick user |
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| 22:44.43 | robin_sz | stares at his DHCP mess |
| 22:44.50 | robin_sz | hi there ... i have a DHCP question ... I have a router on the 'net htat serves up DHCP .. and about 20 boxen, sometimes after a power outage boxes are up before the router is ready to serve up DHCP (been 15 minutes for various reasons) and the boxes have come up on an old IP rather than just sittign and waiting for the DHCP answers ... what are the normal ways around this sort of thing? |
| 22:45.12 | jetx | i know nothing, but surely there's such a setting in the conf |
| 22:45.22 | robin_sz | shurg |
| 22:45.26 | benjamindees | UPS for the router |
| 22:45.36 | robin_sz | has that |
| 22:45.46 | robin_sz | this only occurs on loooooooong power outs |
| 22:45.56 | enouf | reminds himself to get APT::Install-Recommends="false"; ready (uncommented) for /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends |
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| 22:46.19 | benjamindees | uninstall/disable avahi |
| 22:46.29 | robin_sz | wassat? |
| 22:46.33 | abrotman | what does avahi have to do with it? |
| 22:46.33 | enouf | ugly |
| 22:46.41 | enouf | ness |
| 22:46.43 | benjamindees | add some delay to the clients boot-up |
| 22:46.44 | jetx | it net related |
| 22:46.56 | abrotman | it is .. but it's not going to help to remove it |
| 22:46.58 | jetx | i forget, but it keeps getting installed |
| 22:47.06 | robin_sz | adding a 15 minute delay to all clients might be a bit extreme |
| 22:47.13 | enouf | power outages, ugh |
| 22:47.24 | benjamindees | investigate why your router takes 15 minutes to boot |
| 22:47.28 | enouf | jetx: /msg dpkg hold ? |
| 22:47.36 | enouf | jetx: /msg dpkg dpkg-divert ? |
| 22:47.37 | jetx | ? |
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| 22:47.50 | jetx | ah |
| 22:48.05 | enouf | i killed avahi-daemon so bad, it's never coming back - it's scared :-p |
| 22:48.12 | jetx | i gave up on it, too many thngs depend on it |
| 22:48.15 | robin_sz | maybe a teeny weeny dhcp server with a bunch of batteries ... |
| 22:48.22 | jetx | things i like i mean |
| 22:48.27 | jelly-home | enouf: that's the only thing it's good for |
| 22:48.40 | jelly-home | being killed |
| 22:48.54 | enouf | waving bonjour as it goes :-P |
| 22:49.05 | robin_sz | errm |
| 22:49.13 | robin_sz | au revoir mor likely |
| 22:49.14 | jelly-home | zerodnsslowdown |
| 22:49.31 | jetx | ah wasn't it fam depends on avahi and fam is the default and i had to fight to install gamin instead of fam? i forget |
| 22:49.41 | jelly-home | robin_sz: the technology is called bonjour by Apple afair |
| 22:49.43 | jetx | or was that hal |
| 22:49.48 | enouf | famd is dead too |
| 22:49.56 | jelly-home | gamin? |
| 22:50.07 | robin_sz | k |
| 22:50.07 | enouf | gammy? |
| 22:50.13 | jetx | the kde? version of fam |
| 22:50.14 | enouf | Seinfeld :-P |
| 22:50.18 | jetx | !info gamin |
| 22:50.22 | dpkg | gamin: (File and directory monitoring system), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.1.9-2 (sid), Packaged size: 62 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
| 22:50.34 | robin_sz | mmm |
| 22:50.37 | robin_sz | like tripwire? |
| 22:50.51 | jelly-home | ii gamin 0.1.9-2 File and directory monitoring system |
| 22:51.04 | jetx | !info fam |
| 22:51.06 | dpkg | fam: (File Alteration Monitor), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.7.0-13.3 (sid), Packaged size: 68 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
| 22:51.19 | jetx | ah the depends are the difference |
| 22:51.22 | jetx | iirc |
| 22:51.25 | jelly-home | robin_sz: more like yet-another-ram-wasting-bloat some-DEs-use |
| 22:51.49 | robin_sz | ah, oaki dokie |
| 22:51.50 | jetx | gnome installs fam and kde installs gamin, or they used to |
| 22:51.52 | Laeborg|Lap | how does i change text color of the kicker ? |
| 22:52.02 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I've got to fill these four gigs of RAM with *something*. |
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| 22:52.05 | robin_sz | avoiding KDE seems best policy |
| 22:52.09 | jetx | you might ask also in #debian-kde or #kde |
| 22:52.14 | Laeborg|Lap | http://www.kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/77150-1.png - i want the white color like there |
| 22:52.21 | JordiGH | loads more Compiz plugins. |
| 22:52.55 | jetx | loads more rob zombie |
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| 22:53.26 | JordiGH | Who is this beautiful woman with an insatiable love for the dead? |
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| 22:53.42 | enouf | er, what music player is that? i need an eq |
| 22:53.56 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I prefer disk cache |
| 22:54.06 | abrotman | enouf: audacious .. it tells you |
| 22:54.13 | JordiGH | enouf: audacious, says right there. |
| 22:54.18 | enouf | abrotman: i'm blind |
| 22:54.35 | Nigromante | hello debian users |
| 22:54.39 | enouf | i can't read that .. i'm not blind, no |
| 22:54.49 | JordiGH | Iceweasel looked like crap when I tried to let KDE style it. :-/ |
| 22:55.10 | JordiGH | But other than that, KDE looks very nice. Except they've taken out some cherished features. Like sticky keyboard switching! |
| 22:55.13 | enouf | had to zoom in |
| 22:55.19 | jelly-home | sticky? |
| 22:55.29 | Deepa^school | When your keyboard is all sticky, you can change it for another |
| 22:55.36 | enouf | you never know where the name is, if anywhere - that could be some song name up there :-p |
| 22:55.51 | tlmiller | Some keyboards will survive a trip through the dishwasher. |
| 22:55.53 | JordiGH | jelly-home: If you have more than two keyboard layouts, you switch mostly between only two of them and only use the third layout rarely. xkb can't do this, so Gnome can't do this, but KDE could do it. :-/ |
| 22:56.02 | JordiGH | Right now my keyboard switching is really broken. |
| 22:56.34 | jelly-home | a single keyboard layout is almost too much for me |
| 22:57.01 | jelly-home | I want "computer, decrease ambience lights by 20%" |
| 22:57.04 | JordiGH | Well, often I have to type in French or Spanish, so I use the Catalan layout, and sometimes I need Russian, so I need another layout again. |
| 22:57.19 | JordiGH | I stutter. The computer would never understand me. |
| 22:58.06 | JordiGH | will try KDE again some day when he gets bored with Gnome. |
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| 22:58.50 | enouf | i want to look at it, and have it know from my expression :-P |
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| 22:59.24 | tlmiller | I'd rather just plug it into my skull and have it read direct |
| 22:59.57 | JordiGH | tlmiller: Just hope it can't write. |
| 23:00.17 | tlmiller | It can write all it wants. there's nothing occupying the space today. :) |
| 23:00.22 | jetx | i wouldn't be comfy letting them drill the hole for the plug in my skull |
| 23:00.40 | JordiGH | jetx: Luddite! |
| 23:00.54 | tlmiller | well I've never been a fan of wireless so I would want it hard wired. |
| 23:01.17 | manu_hack | when would kernel 2.6.26 come to testing? |
| 23:01.17 | jetx | i don't feel comfy letting somebody laser upon my eyeballs, either |
| 23:01.24 | jetx | so i wear my glasses |
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| 23:01.39 | dmoerner | manu_hack: well lenny is frozen but i know they are trying to get 2.6.26 in |
| 23:01.53 | jetx | how frozen is it |
| 23:01.54 | manu_hack | dmoerner: right, that's what I heard too |
| 23:01.56 | tlmiller | I've had eye doctors tell me that lasik is not the way to go. there's another procedure that's a few years away that's less intrusive and more effective. |
| 23:02.13 | feighm | it's -16* celsius. |
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| 23:02.19 | jetx | ooo |
| 23:02.21 | robin_sz | lasik is bad if you go out at night |
| 23:02.26 | robin_sz | or are a pilot |
| 23:02.51 | robin_sz | you can probably forget being able to drive at night after lasik |
| 23:02.54 | manu_hack | I won't get on the plane if the pilot did lasik |
| 23:02.57 | jetx | i'm going to try out for the rocket sled team |
| 23:03.13 | robin_sz | pilots dotn have lasik, they fail medicals after it |
| 23:03.30 | tlmiller | Planes are too risky anymore. I don't care what the stats say; I won't get on a plane. |
| 23:03.44 | robin_sz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.52 | abrotman | !ot |
| 23:03.53 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 23:03.55 | manu_hack | so in Lenny release they would prolly use 2.6.26 |
| 23:03.56 | robin_sz | k |
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| 23:04.37 | jetx | still wonders who died and made abrotman op |
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| 23:04.58 | jetx | :) |
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| 23:06.40 | zapph | how do i recompile a debianpackge from source (with customflags) ? |
| 23:06.51 | zapph | anypointers? |
| 23:07.34 | lynucs | is there a way to make aptitude to use another cache/archoves directory temporary? not apt-get |
| 23:07.38 | jetx | !build-package |
| 23:07.40 | jetx | err |
| 23:07.47 | dmoerner | zapph: change debian/rules to have different make variables |
| 23:08.00 | dmoerner | lynucs: it's the same procedure as apt-get |
| 23:08.04 | zapph | "debian/rules" ? |
| 23:08.12 | lynucs | dmoerner: ah, okay thx |
| 23:08.14 | zapph | where would i do that? |
| 23:08.23 | dmoerner | zapph: apt-get source X && cd X && editor debian/rules |
| 23:08.26 | manu_hack | would apt-build do? |
| 23:08.28 | abrotman | !tell zapph about source |
| 23:08.31 | zapph | eh |
| 23:08.34 | zapph | cool |
| 23:08.37 | zapph | thnx |
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| 23:09.07 | Delta-269 | hai |
| 23:09.10 | dmoerner | zapph: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/rebuilding-ubuntu-debian-linux-binary-package/ |
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| 23:10.44 | dummies_freelanc | how do use the module airprime for modem HSDPA |
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| 23:13.06 | zapph | i need to add a deb source thing to my source.list but i dont know the url |
| 23:13.09 | zapph | i am running lenny |
| 23:13.39 | null | Question: I'm running 2.6.18-6 unstable and apt is saying linux-source-2.6.18-6 is unavailable. Do I have to use 2.6.26 with sid in order to grab the sources? 2.6.26 breaks my madwifi-ng setup :( |
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| 23:14.43 | abrotman | then fix your madwifi setup |
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| 23:15.00 | abrotman | or use ath5k if it works with your device |
| 23:15.48 | zapph | ah |
| 23:15.50 | zapph | deb-src |
| 23:15.51 | zapph | got it |
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| 23:17.54 | zapph | dmoerner: how do i build it then |
| 23:17.59 | zapph | ive edited the rules now |
| 23:18.07 | zapph | i know how to install i guess its dpkg -i |
| 23:18.13 | zapph | but i dont have a .deb file yet |
| 23:18.29 | zapph | its not complied |
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| 23:18.42 | dmoerner | zapph: did you follow the link i gave you? it explains it all. |
| 23:18.46 | abrotman | !source |
| 23:18.46 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. As root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. As any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>. |
| 23:18.47 | zapph | oh |
| 23:18.48 | zapph | sorry |
| 23:19.04 | zapph | i missed the link |
| 23:19.07 | zapph | thank you very much :) |
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| 23:24.21 | zapph | are the source packages i get with apt-get source the same as the ones that are binarys? |
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| 23:24.33 | dmoerner | zapph: what do you mean? |
| 23:24.33 | zapph | i mean the flags are they the same? |
| 23:24.37 | dmoerner | yes |
| 23:24.41 | zapph | ok cool |
| 23:24.47 | dmoerner | unless there is FTBFSIASM |
| 23:24.53 | zapph | ? |
| 23:24.55 | dmoerner | fail to build from source in a sane manner |
| 23:25.01 | zapph | hehe |
| 23:25.08 | zapph | that might explain it |
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| 23:26.13 | spx2 | how do I quickly set to block users who have more than 20 failed logins in 2 minutes ? |
| 23:26.19 | spx2 | it only seems fair to do so |
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| 23:30.23 | abrotman | spx2: fail2ban |
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| 23:35.15 | simNIX | wonders if anyone uses skype on debian: I cant get mic linked to skype - when I record with sound recorder I hear my voice |
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| 23:38.01 | spx2 | simNIX: I found the solution on some blogs,but I've wasted lots of time searching for it |
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| 23:39.05 | simNIX | do you remember what the fix was ? |
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| 23:42.36 | jberg | hey, if i want to have a file which sets my PATH every time i login, what should the name of the file be? i see debian already has a file named ~/.bashrc but i dont want to edit that |
| 23:43.15 | sebas891 | hi folks, anyone using pidgin-libnotify in testing ? it's not working for me... |
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| 23:44.13 | simNIX | jberg: why not edit .bashrc ? |
| 23:44.41 | spx2 | jberg: edit /etc/bash.bashrc and it will work for all users |
| 23:45.01 | jberg | simNIX: i dont know, so i know that i can't fuck up something which debian made or something |
| 23:45.08 | spx2 | simNIX: I'm afraid I forgot but a quick search on google should reveal the answer |
| 23:45.24 | jberg | spx2: hmm ok. but can i create ~/.bash_profile or something? |
| 23:45.36 | muddd | jberg, make a backup copy then destroy it as you wish |
| 23:45.39 | simNIX | I already goolged it quite some - will ook later again with fresh look |
| 23:45.46 | simNIX | ook=look |
| 23:45.57 | jberg | yse |
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| 23:47.24 | simNIX | spx2: do you recall if it was debian or gnome specific ? |
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| 23:54.20 | Absnthe | I've used Linux before, but I need soem help on this. I have a command-line installation, how can I bring it up to X? Just "sudo apt-get install e17"? |
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| 23:56.52 | korozion | I rebooted my server with hardware raid, and it just sits at finding root device or somesuch |
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| 23:57.13 | korozion | I've done all kinds of reading which suggests udev issues, or just my card no longer being supported |
| 23:57.38 | abrotman | Absnthe: there's no e17 in debian |
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| 23:58.03 | Absnthe | I just meant any desktop environment |
| 23:58.12 | abrotman | so which one do you want? |
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| 23:58.34 | Absnthe | probably *box, I'm on an EEE 2g |
| 23:59.02 | abrotman | aptitude install blackbox xdm xorg |
| 23:59.16 | Absnthe | thanks |
| 23:59.26 | tlmiller | When you go through the non-GUI debian installation and you get to the select and install software portion there's [*] boxes to choose desktop, etc. Is there a way to just pick Base System and then do like an "apt-get install desktop system" after the fact? I'm looking for a faster way to get through the installer. |
| 23:59.46 | abrotman | tlmiller: yes, i never use tasksel |
