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| 00:02.02 | simNIX | I do for gnome add gnome-desktop |
| 00:02.07 | tlmiller | abrotman, I'm referring to the selection that has web server etc. Not the individual packages. I'd like just desktop and base but don't want to choose them right then. I'd want to add the full desktop packages as one install. Basically I'm trying to get around downloading 20 minutes worth of packages to test the installer |
| 00:02.27 | abrotman | right .. so run tasksel later |
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| 00:11.53 | frank_white_ | anyone recommend a good image viewer for X11? |
| 00:12.08 | frank_white_ | that supports zooming in/out, viewing directories/multiple images? |
| 00:12.25 | tlmiller | gqview |
| 00:12.27 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@probulk.com] by abrotman |
| 00:12.28 | benjamindees | konqueror with the embedded viewer |
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| 00:13.09 | abrotman | d0uglas: better? |
| 00:13.11 | frank_white_ | i will not be installing gnome or kde... if that makes a difference |
| 00:13.17 | d0uglas | much obliged |
| 00:13.31 | tlmiller | for purely speed, I use QIV |
| 00:13.54 | tlmiller | Viewing only that is |
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| 00:17.01 | frank_white_ | qiv works... but I just want something lightweight that is resizable and zoomable |
| 00:18.23 | abrotman | eog or feh ? |
| 00:19.31 | dmoerner | is feh zoomable? |
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| 00:20.53 | tlmiller | You can zoom with qiv. Use + or - |
| 00:22.19 | null | Question: Rebooting into a 2.6.26 kernel breaks at boot if I don't edit /etc/fstab in 2.6.18 to update hd* -> sd* entries. Then when 2.6.26 is unusable because of broken something and I need to boot back into 2.6.18, I need to follow the same process in reverse. Am I doing it wrong? |
| 00:22.30 | sharp15 | is there a nx protocol server in apt? (i'm using lenny and i only see clients and compression libraries, just checking.) |
| 00:22.48 | tlmiller | I used qiv with emelfm when emelfm was included with debian. I set up a button in emelfm to do a qiv %F or soemthing like that and could mouse scroll through images nicely. It is quite fast. |
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| 00:25.34 | dmoerner | null: you should switch to using UUIDs to reflect the libata chnage in new kernels |
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| 00:25.51 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell null -about uuid |
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| 00:30.09 | f00li5h | what would be taking the IP address off a network interface? i've got the interface as inet static in /etc/network/interfaces, and i've killed every dhcpclient i've seen |
| 00:30.47 | sharp15 | f00li5h: possibly the interface needs restarted? |
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| 00:31.12 | sharp15 | isn't really sure how debian handles this. |
| 00:31.21 | f00li5h | dmoerner: i have up'ed it, and given it an ip with ifconfig eth1 192-number-here |
| 00:31.40 | f00li5h | weee, tabbingtypo |
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| 00:34.44 | efaistos | hmmm ... do you know how to generate a cedilla under a qwerty uk keyboard |
| 00:34.44 | efaistos | ? |
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| 00:37.42 | manu_hack | by the way, is it okay for hostname to contain only number? |
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| 00:38.49 | f00li5h | i think you can have a host name that is your IP, if you feel strongly about it |
| 00:39.19 | manu_hack | ok, thx f00li5h |
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| 00:41.43 | f00li5h | on the topic of dhcp, /etc/init.d/dhcp is the dhcp daemon, right? |
| 00:41.56 | f00li5h | err, the dhcp server daemon, rather |
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| 00:42.15 | hust | hi |
| 00:43.30 | hust | &show grml |
| 00:43.30 | hust | ups |
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| 00:52.18 | brain_in_vat | hello. I started running apt-get dist-upgrade then killed the command when I changed my mind |
| 00:52.30 | brain_in_vat | now whenever I try and apt-get, it tries to do the dist-upgrade |
| 00:52.34 | brain_in_vat | is there anyway to stop that? |
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| 00:53.45 | citolas | ... |
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| 00:53.58 | citolas | hi |
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| 00:54.15 | moar-f00li5h | pesky |
| 00:54.29 | citolas | 0775 Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel; if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. Newcomers should read the channel's guidelines by typing "/msg dpkg guidelines". Please do not paste in the channel; use #flood instead. Thank you. |
| 00:54.34 | citolas | 0135 Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel; if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. Newcomers should read the channel's guidelines by typing "/msg dpkg guidelines". Please do not paste in the channel; use #flood instead. Thank you. |
| 00:54.39 | citolas | 0428 Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel; if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. Newcomers should read the channel's guidelines by typing "/msg dpkg guidelines". Please do not paste in the channel; use #flood instead. Thank you. |
| 00:54.44 | citolas | 0319 Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel; if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. Newcomers should read the channel's guidelines by typing "/msg dpkg guidelines". Please do not paste in the channel; use #flood instead. Thank you. |
| 00:54.45 | Nyle | wtf |
| 00:54.50 | citolas | 0876 Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel; if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. Newcomers should read the channel's guidelines by typing "/msg dpkg guidelines". Please do not paste in the channel; use #flood instead. Thank you. |
| 00:54.50 | Nyle | citolas, stop |
| 00:54.52 | moar-f00li5h | dpkg: ops |
| 00:54.52 | dpkg | [ops] Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 00:54.55 | citolas | 0217 Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel; if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. Newcomers should read the channel's guidelines by typing "/msg dpkg guidelines". Please do not paste in the channel; use #flood instead. Thank you. |
| 00:54.59 | citolas | 0153 Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel; if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. Newcomers should read the channel's guidelines by typing "/msg dpkg guidelines". Please do not paste in the channel; use #flood instead. Thank you. |
| 00:55.00 | Nyle | !ops flood from citolas |
| 00:55.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nyle complains about: flood from citolas |
| 00:55.04 | citolas | 0989 Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel; if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. Newcomers should read the channel's guidelines by typing "/msg dpkg guidelines". Please do not paste in the channel; use #flood instead. Thank you. |
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| 00:55.17 | azeem | citolas: please fix your client |
| 00:55.31 | Nyle | !beer azeem |
| 00:55.31 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Piraat for azeem |
| 00:55.58 | azeem | thanks, but I got plenty already :P |
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| 00:57.01 | jaggz- | why's kate locking up? strace shows it's waiting in a read() from a socket?? |
| 00:57.22 | jaggz- | right when it's loaded from shell it just sits there |
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| 01:09.05 | moar-f00li5h | jaggz: what about if you run it with an empty environment? |
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| 01:09.44 | jaggz- | how do I clear my env to run it? |
| 01:10.01 | garotosopa | call the maid service |
| 01:10.30 | moar-f00li5h | jaggz-: env - kate |
| 01:11.15 | jsubl2 | anyone able to get evolution and their google calendar to work. if yes can you point to a doc |
| 01:12.16 | jaggz- | well it can't connect to the x server.. I tried "env - DISPLAY=:0 kate" and it still can't connect, saying, "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified kate: cannot connect to X server :0" |
| 01:12.37 | jaggz- | jsub, those can work together? that would be nice.. |
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| 01:12.56 | moar-f00li5h | jaggz-: umm, an X thing, you say? |
| 01:13.12 | jsubl2 | well the version of evolution in lenny has the google cal plugin jaggz. just does not seem to work |
| 01:13.18 | jaggz- | well, kate is a gui editor |
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| 01:15.22 | moar-f00li5h | jaggz-: sure it is. are you running it on the same host and as the same users your X server is on |
| 01:15.31 | jaggz- | yessir |
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| 01:16.14 | jaggz- | and I've ran it before.. and I tested running it from a fresh konsole as well |
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| 01:16.24 | jaggz- | that is, I've used it successfully |
| 01:16.32 | jsubl2 | jaggz-: looks like i may have found out why: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/dcdca662687449cd |
| 01:17.47 | jsubl2 | looks like gcal daemon is the way to go |
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| 01:18.59 | jaggz- | brandon 4090 11.8 0.1 4044 1476 ? Rs Aug15 1496:54 /usr/sbin/famd -T 0 |
| 01:19.23 | jaggz- | someone said it might be famd.. not sure how to restart it, but it is taking up 11% cpu! |
| 01:19.39 | jaggz- | http://osdir.com/ml/gentoo.desktop/2002-07/msg00007.html I've had the same problem. I've noticed that when it happens, though, fam is going insane. Restarting fam seems to fix the problem. |
| 01:19.54 | jaggz- | jsub, cool.. I'm at etch |
| 01:19.56 | jaggz- | :/ |
| 01:20.03 | jaggz- | :\ |
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| 01:20.18 | benjamindees | fam sucks; just remove it |
| 01:20.37 | jaggz- | kate pops right up.. |
| 01:20.51 | neonlightning | is there any way to kill kthreadd after its been started? |
| 01:21.18 | neonlightning | i tried even su -c'kill -9 pid' |
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| 01:21.53 | jaggz- | heh.. it's a kernel process.. |
| 01:21.54 | neonlightning | actually i even tried loading up su -c'htop' and using every kill method on the list |
| 01:22.01 | neonlightning | ahh ok |
| 01:22.02 | jsubl2 | i am using wpa_supplicant to configure my wireless. is it safe in lenny to disable network manager |
| 01:22.12 | jaggz- | the part of the kernel that handles threads I believe :) |
| 01:22.39 | jaggz- | or has something to do with them |
| 01:22.42 | neonlightning | jaggz-, well i noticed it isn't always started seem to be started only after i've opened thunar or transmission |
| 01:22.54 | jaggz- | really?? that's interesting.. |
| 01:23.05 | jaggz- | well, I only see kthread here.. not kthreadd |
| 01:23.46 | neonlightning | and when it hasn't started i'm using about 50mb of ram total and with it its using around 120 |
| 01:23.48 | neonlightning | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.28 | neonlightning | ahh well i'll try and figure it out another time i gotta sleep |
| 01:26.35 | jaggz- | yeah.. you might want to read up a bit on it |
| 01:26.36 | jaggz- | g'night |
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| 01:32.07 | jaggz- | okay, using kate to editing HTML with right-to-left text in it is very confusing. |
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| 01:36.20 | Ian_Daniher | how can I upgrade to the latest, relatively unstable release of something on debian etch? |
| 01:36.32 | Ian_Daniher | I probably need to add something to /etc/sources.list |
| 01:36.41 | Ian_Daniher | anyone running lenny want to check? |
| 01:36.44 | Ian_Daniher | I love etch's stability |
| 01:36.49 | Ian_Daniher | but I'd like to have python 2.5 |
| 01:37.22 | Somni | you'd have to find a backport, or build the package yourself |
| 01:37.29 | jaggz- | I broke my ubuntu system from 3 years ago when I forcefully installed python :) |
| 01:37.31 | abrotman | /topic |
| 01:37.54 | Ian_Daniher | :( |
| 01:38.09 | Ian_Daniher | the syntax has changed enough that it's not very usable to develop on |
| 01:38.14 | jaggz- | it's still broken too.. on my laptop. but see if you can get multiple versions of python running at the same time |
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| 01:38.46 | jaggz- | perhaps new scripts must specify the binary's path specifically to the new version.. but your old stuff will likely break, right? |
| 01:38.57 | jaggz- | unless their normal paths are all to the old version |
| 01:39.39 | Somni | er, etch already has python2.5, http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=all&keywords=python2.5 |
| 01:41.00 | abrotman | but it'snot the default |
| 01:41.09 | abrotman | but Ian_Daniher could use it for his own developement |
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| 01:42.03 | Vi^3PP | im on lenny and it uses exim4 for mta? but when i use mutt to send emails it refuses to send because its not configured to send to remote hosts? how do i correct this i thought this was all set up by default |
| 01:42.10 | Ian_Daniher | yeah, I just determined that python2.5 != python, but python2.5 *is* installed |
| 01:42.18 | Ian_Daniher | I'll just change a symlink |
| 01:42.34 | abrotman | no |
| 01:42.40 | sebas891 | hi folks, I'm trying to rebuild a package (pidgin-libnotify) with the debug activated. how can I do that ? |
| 01:42.41 | abrotman | Ian_Daniher: don't do that |
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| 01:43.02 | heroxbd | Vi^3PP: Just do "#dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and it will guide you through. |
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| 01:43.25 | Vi^3PP | heroxbd, oh its that simple cool... thanks |
| 01:43.28 | ferguscan | My debian install is broken for some reason :( I get the following: |
| 01:43.29 | abrotman | sebas891: would pidgin-dbg suffice? |
| 01:43.31 | ferguscan | aptitude: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: no version information available (required by aptitude) |
| 01:43.42 | abrotman | Ian_Daniher: if you change that, very bad things could happen |
| 01:43.46 | Vi^3PP | i didnt even think of that |
| 01:43.53 | ferguscan | amongst a bunch of other errors when I try to run apt, or vim, or most anything else. |
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| 01:44.15 | ferguscan | anyone know how I could fix this? |
| 01:44.51 | sebas891 | abrotman: maybe! I'll try that. but you know where I can activate the debug flag when a package is built ? |
| 01:44.52 | Ian_Daniher | abrotman: huh? |
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| 01:46.08 | abrotman | Ian_Daniher: if you change the /usr/bin/python symlink, very bad things can happen .. the system expects 2.4 .. changing to 2.5 will have unknown results |
| 01:47.10 | heroxbd | Ian_Daniher: You can override python with python2.5 when necessary. (In you script or so) |
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| 01:47.25 | Ian_Daniher | ok, will do |
| 01:47.31 | Ian_Daniher | thanks for saving me abrotman |
| 01:47.37 | Ian_Daniher | bah |
| 01:47.53 | Ian_Daniher | I can't import any modules from inside python2.5 |
| 01:48.06 | Ian_Daniher | I probably have to copy a directory from somewhere to somewhere else |
| 01:48.09 | Ian_Daniher | sighs |
| 01:48.37 | heroxbd | Ian_Daniher: Actually I did that very thing earlier. And whenever I face an error, I just point python back to python2.4 :( |
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| 01:48.45 | snowrichard | I'm running an Alpha server ES40, when I had gentoo on it I didn't have any network problems, now with debian smp kernel it loses the connection periodically. The only difference I can think of is that the debian is using dhcp instead of static |
| 01:49.12 | snowrichard | how would I reconfigure the network to use a static ip again? |
| 01:49.26 | abrotman | !tell snowrichard about interfaces |
| 01:49.36 | snowrichard | thanks i'll read that |
| 01:49.52 | heroxbd | ferguscan: Have you mixed something in your sources.list? |
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| 01:51.11 | heroxbd | Ian_Daniher: Maybe you can read "Debian Python Policy" |
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| 01:52.31 | TJNII | With the debian apache config setup to enable a module you symlink it from mods-avaliable into mods-enabled, correct? |
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| 01:52.50 | Zeroyez | what's the difference between rdp and vnc |
| 01:52.55 | heroxbd | TJNII: yeah. I think so. |
| 01:53.14 | abrotman | Zeroyez: they're different protocols.. see wikipedia |
| 01:53.25 | abrotman | TJNII: a2enmod |
| 01:53.37 | TJNII | heroxbd: Thanks. |
| 01:54.20 | Zeroyez | ok, is vnc4server able to show my desktop environment instead of just a terminal window when i connect to it? |
| 01:54.29 | TJNII | abrotman: Oh. Very nice. I will use that. |
| 01:54.46 | Zeroyez | i know realvnc can but it doesn't install on lenny due to font finding problems |
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| 01:55.53 | heroxbd | Zeroyez: Yes vnc4server does the thing. At least that is the default behavior. |
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| 01:56.44 | Zeroyez | when i connect all i get is a gray background and an xterm window, using xfce4, really the only thing missing is the panels and the desktop background |
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| 01:57.54 | heroxbd | Zeroyez: I think you started a new X session with vnc4server. Do you want to show your current desktop? |
| 01:58.10 | Zeroyez | yes |
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| 01:59.03 | heroxbd | Zeroyez: Well I don't know how to configure that with, sorry. cuz, when I want that function, I used x11vnc. |
| 01:59.29 | jsubl2 | how do i get rid of network manager so i can just use wpa_supplicant |
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| 01:59.44 | enouf | disable it? |
| 01:59.52 | enouf | in gnome config? |
| 02:00.09 | enouf | System > Preferences > something? |
| 02:00.16 | jsubl2 | well evo and web browser look for it to say i am online |
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| 02:01.32 | heroxbd | Zeroyez: have a look at x11vnc and see if it meet your need. |
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| 02:02.26 | enouf | you likely want the iwconfig/iwlist/iwscan toolset, i think that's in wireless-tools pkg - i don't do wireless, nor gnome |
| 02:02.29 | Zeroyez | alright, what port does x11vnc run on? |
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| 02:03.11 | jsubl2 | yeah i got the packages and wpa_supplicant works. but evolution and web browser think i am off line |
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| 02:03.55 | Hatty | Is there a way I can do apt-get -s upgrade (or an equivalent) as non-root? I'm trying to make a script to parse it to display in Conky |
| 02:04.03 | texasone | question: I am looking to install a clean install of debian lenny with the base system with only a WM instead of a DE, that includes xfce, I am looking at fluxbox/blackbox, any one know of a good tutorial with the programs I would need to do this, like to substitute for the programs i get in xfce-goodies or in gnome?? |
| 02:04.09 | heroxbd | Zeroyez: 5900? I can't remember. But I'm sure you can specify it. |
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| 02:04.39 | Zeroyez | Awesome it worked! Thank you so much |
| 02:04.42 | enouf | jsubl2: well, i know certain web browsers have an offline/online mode you can toggle easily |
| 02:04.45 | Hatty | texasone I reccomend openbox over bb/flux. its prettier and was made by bb developers |
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| 02:04.59 | jsubl2 | enouf: ok thanks |
| 02:05.05 | jsubl2 | lookin at it |
| 02:05.11 | nockster | gnome-theme-manager freezes if I try to scroll through the list of themes.... please does anyone know why this might be happening? |
| 02:05.12 | samantha-- | i want ident server that will return a user-defined arbitrary string. which one do i want? |
| 02:05.24 | Hatty | texasone http://urukrama.wordpress.com/openbox-guide/ detailed guide on openbox |
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| 02:05.36 | abrotman | way to not answer his question :) |
| 02:05.39 | overarousals | 0417 Hi, I'm having an issue where a hard drive of mine simply disappears from the OS. "hdparm -w /dev/sda" results in " HDIO_DRIVE_RESET failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device". Here's some out put that may help. --> http://www.pastebin.ca/1169499. ANY help would be greatly appreciated as this drive need to be active 24/7. |
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| 02:05.44 | overarousals | 0748 Hi, I'm having an issue where a hard drive of mine simply disappears from the OS. "hdparm -w /dev/sda" results in " HDIO_DRIVE_RESET failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device". Here's some out put that may help. --> http://www.pastebin.ca/1169499. ANY help would be greatly appreciated as this drive need to be active 24/7. |
| 02:05.45 | enouf | texasone: look at awesome WM maybe |
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| 02:05.49 | overarousals | 0239 Hi, I'm having an issue where a hard drive of mine simply disappears from the OS. "hdparm -w /dev/sda" results in " HDIO_DRIVE_RESET failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device". Here's some out put that may help. --> http://www.pastebin.ca/1169499. ANY help would be greatly appreciated as this drive need to be active 24/7. |
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| 02:05.58 | enouf | wow |
| 02:06.00 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 02:06.04 | enouf | thanks abrotman |
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| 02:08.08 | enouf | ya know, when specific gnome issues arise, i often times lately mention irc.gnome.org .. but i never see anyone ever return with any info / answer .. not even whether it exists or not O_o |
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| 02:08.30 | abrotman | it does exist |
| 02:08.36 | texasone | thank you |
| 02:08.39 | abrotman | i've been there ... there's even a #gnome-debian there |
| 02:08.45 | enouf | fears he's sending users to /dev/null :-P |
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| 02:08.56 | enouf | good to know ;-) |
| 02:09.12 | enouf | that's cool then .. now i can even mention a #channel :-p |
| 02:09.34 | abrotman | i usually say #gnome or #gnome-debian |
| 02:09.43 | enouf | aight |
| 02:10.15 | enouf | we got a factoid about that? |
| 02:10.33 | enouf | sounds like a bit of wasted typing over time :-p |
| 02:10.54 | enouf | + repetitive |
| 02:11.12 | abrotman | !gnome |
| 02:11.12 | dpkg | well, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome, or ask me about <gnome status> |
| 02:11.15 | abrotman | !#gnome |
| 02:11.15 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 02:11.19 | abrotman | good enough ? |
| 02:11.29 | enouf | !congratulate abrotman |
| 02:11.29 | dpkg | Huzzah abrotman, you did it! |
| 02:11.36 | enouf | \o/ |
| 02:12.14 | Hatty | Is there a way I can do apt-get -s upgrade (or an equivalent) as non-root? I'm trying to make a script to parse it to display in Conky |
| 02:12.44 | enouf | not that i know of offhand |
| 02:13.49 | Shadow_Master | I've been downloading lenny with jigdo (using the latest template file), and I get many 404 at the beginning, no matter what site I use to download packages from... is this normal? |
| 02:14.32 | enouf | (without completely breaking it anyway) .. it would seem you could run both as sudo? redirect it's output .. bah, nevermind .. i'm not good at this |
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| 02:14.54 | abrotman | Shadow_Master: there is a 150MB netinst ... |
| 02:15.11 | enouf | is there a #jigdo channel? :-p |
| 02:15.16 | Shadow_Master | abrotman: not good when you have to install in a internet-less machine :) |
| 02:15.26 | enouf | DVD's babay :-p |
| 02:15.31 | enouf | or your own mirrors |
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| 02:16.23 | abrotman | Shadow_Master: they also have DVDs .. i haven't used jigdo in awhile .. i can't recall if they go out of date or not |
| 02:17.21 | Shadow_Master | yes, I know the mirrors have dvds. but the last time I downloaded a complete DVD image from a (different) distro I got only trouble |
| 02:17.42 | Shadow_Master | besides I have already downloaded half the packages |
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| 02:29.37 | rbd__ | is there something similar to smartmontools that can be used for smart array 5i controllers (e.g. HP proliant)? |
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| 02:31.27 | fujin | anyone familiar with reprepro? I'm using it to mirror/cache the official repositories |
| 02:31.39 | fujin | and tryign to include my own debs to it with includedeb, yet whenever it does reprepro update it removes them |
| 02:31.48 | fujin | is there a way I can pin the ones I backport/includedeb? |
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| 02:37.11 | jsubl2 | got evolution and my google calendar conntected. woohoo!!! |
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| 02:39.37 | egns | se pira a dormir, buenas noches/bye |
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| 02:41.31 | texasone | question: is there a panel/dock thing (like a windows list) and a notification box for like xchat and pidgin in openbox?? |
| 02:41.54 | dan2 | heh |
| 02:42.00 | dan2 | this gcjwebplugin with icedtea actually works |
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| 02:52.59 | noboru | moshii, how are you ? |
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| 02:56.17 | dan2 | what incentive is there to keep gnu classpath alive when the real java is free as in speech (via openjdk) |
| 02:57.07 | SeveredCross | dan2: Because GNU has to be different from everyone else. ;) |
| 02:57.18 | SeveredCross | They couldn't contribute to Mono, so they started DotGNU. |
| 02:59.04 | d0uglas | i got a little compromised by someone using "Linux vmsplice Local Root Exploit" and I'm trying to clean things up. Changed passwords, commented out the user he used from passwd and renamed the directory of the account (keeping it for posterity). I don't see any damage other than cron trying to execute something which didn't exist. I think this person did some bragging on irc and left. Anyone hear about this exploit? |
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| 02:59.17 | d0uglas | His .bash_history is here, nothing exciting... http://pastebin.ca/1183839. |
| 03:02.07 | eruc | Hi, i am seeking some help... While installing debian on one of my HD, i unplugged my Windows XP HD to make sure i wasnt loosing any data since i am a newbie. Now when i plug it back in, my linux boot (sda1) become sdb1 |
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| 03:02.37 | SeveredCross | d0uglas: I wouldn't worry about it, doesn't look like he did much of anything. |
| 03:02.44 | eruc | I switched this in the grub menu.lst and i get an error while loading (that i didnt wrote down) and ask my root password to make maintenance |
| 03:03.24 | eruc | Any idea where the problem could come from? Anything beside sda1 -> sdb1 i should change ? |
| 03:05.09 | eruc | ill be right back with the error ^^ |
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| 03:05.37 | d0uglas | sounds about right.. thanks severed |
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| 03:07.30 | knife | hi debian |
| 03:07.42 | knife | just installed latest debian, am now completely lost |
| 03:07.53 | fgeek | why? |
| 03:07.58 | knife | at least i have a screen and internet, but no video support |
| 03:08.24 | fgeek | have you tried mplayer? |
| 03:08.27 | knife | hardware acceleration for inteli950?i think... hand on |
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| 03:10.00 | knife | why do so many linux'es include noatun these days?! |
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| 03:11.26 | dmoerner | knife: it is the default music player in kde |
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| 03:15.38 | d0uglas | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:15.42 | d0uglas | woops |
| 03:15.53 | SeveredCross | :-P |
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| 03:16.26 | texasone | don't you just love what a space can do |
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| 03:16.35 | knife | ok so i've installed xserver-xorg-intel for my inteli950 graphics chip, now what? |
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| 03:16.38 | d0uglas | i know, right? awkward |
| 03:17.06 | knife | xserver-xorg-video-intel* rather |
| 03:18.07 | knife | oh wow, i need testing repositories, smxi script or something, wine 9.25?! noway :P |
| 03:19.23 | dmoerner | knife: this is #debian. why do you need smxi? |
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| 03:19.51 | knife | to ruin my computer system trying to update it the lazy of course |
| 03:20.16 | _spm_Draget | I am dualbooting with windows, and now my time in linux is completly off. /etc/timezone is set correctly. But I think I must set somewhere else to use the localtime instead if the adjusted time in linux. My time is 4 hours off. Does anyone know where I fix this? |
| 03:21.10 | dmoerner | _spm_Draget: is your bios set to UTC? |
| 03:21.21 | knife | *changes etch to *testing** |
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| 03:21.59 | akio | is there anyone here who knows how to get projectm working with audacious? |
| 03:22.24 | dmoerner | knife: you were using smxi with etch? are you out of your mind? |
| 03:22.54 | _spm_Draget | dmoerner: Nope, iti s not |
| 03:23.11 | dmoerner | _spm_Draget: and dpkg-reconfigure tzdata doesn't solve the problem? |
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| 03:23.33 | _spm_Draget | should I just execture 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' ? |
| 03:23.36 | dmoerner | yes |
| 03:24.12 | _spm_Draget | Nope. |
| 03:24.46 | noboru | anyone knows something about iptables ? in #iptables there is quiet :( |
| 03:25.54 | knife | eheheh |
| 03:26.25 | knife | iptables is a simple firewall setup basically |
| 03:26.28 | knife | it's pretty basic |
| 03:26.38 | dmoerner | it's only as basic as you make it |
| 03:26.40 | knife | but effective, can be added apon to make good firewall |
| 03:27.14 | knife | there you go |
| 03:27.14 | dmoerner | especially since rules stack in a particular order |
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| 03:28.27 | knife | so i just changed all my apt-get repositories from etch to testing, now unless anyone objects im going to upgrade everything |
| 03:28.43 | dmoerner | knife: you didn't answer my question. did you really use smxi with etch? |
| 03:29.10 | knife | yeah but only on mepis, mempis? |
| 03:29.23 | dmoerner | you are a brave man |
| 03:29.33 | knife | it failed pretty hard though, could have been something i pushed lol |
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| 03:29.46 | _spm_Draget | How do I install with aptitude a specific version of something? Like gcc-3.3 or qt4? |
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| 03:30.24 | knife | i had te resize a 500gig part, create a swap and then install to this part while preserving the data that was already there |
| 03:30.29 | dmoerner | _spm_Draget: aptitude install gcc-3.3=version |
| 03:30.35 | h3k | How to change the game "supertux2" 's life to 50? |
| 03:30.49 | knife | pretty sure it just picked up the old home directory, choice |
| 03:31.01 | knife | then failed after trying to merge with sidux, ah well |
| 03:33.12 | fdarling | would someone help me with configuring wireless? The interface shows up, but I am having trouble getting it to connect |
| 03:33.20 | enouf | memphis? what? |
| 03:33.51 | knife | fdarling: you might need madwifi |
| 03:34.00 | knife | unless things have changed |
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| 03:34.35 | fdarling | knife: I can run iwlist wlan0 scanning after ifconfig wlan0 up and it will show my wireless network |
| 03:35.34 | fdarling | knife: I just don't know how to get it to connect |
| 03:35.51 | knife | tried ceni? |
| 03:36.29 | texasone | fdarling: try out the program WICD |
| 03:36.36 | texasone | look it up on google for the repository |
| 03:36.43 | eruc | Hi, i have installed Debian on my second HD with my Windows HD plugged off in case i was making a fatal mistake. Now that debian is working properly, i want to plug it back in but it switched my linux from sda to sdb. I fixed my Grub, edited my mounts, but when i boot, linux tries to run a fsck (file system check) on sdA6 instead of sdB6... Is there anything else i need to edit to redirect properly to my new HD setup? Thanks. |
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| 03:37.22 | dmoerner | eruc: try update-initramfs -u |
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| 03:37.44 | eruc | when running my 2 HDs? |
| 03:38.03 | dmoerner | yes |
| 03:38.15 | eruc | ok thanks, i will try and give you news in a min |
| 03:38.40 | _spm_Draget | Thanks |
| 03:38.55 | _spm_Draget | Which pakage would I pull when I want the complete set of qt3 tools? |
| 03:39.19 | dmoerner | qt3-dev-tools? |
| 03:39.51 | knife | hey dmoerner, if i just try and upgrade etch to testing, what are the chances of total failure in your opinion? |
| 03:40.02 | _spm_Draget | dmoerner: Sounds good =) thanks |
| 03:40.06 | _spm_Draget | Must run now, bye |
| 03:40.28 | dmoerner | knife: is this a clean etch install? if it is relatively clean without extra packages i would say 99% |
| 03:40.34 | dmoerner | otherwise it drops to like 77% |
| 03:40.47 | dmoerner | where extra packages = stuff you've compiled, stuff from mepis or wherever |
| 03:41.20 | knife | its a kde install etch 4.4ra |
| 03:41.29 | knife | from a single cd |
| 03:41.43 | knife | so not worth it? |
| 03:42.05 | dmoerner | you should have no troubles |
| 03:42.05 | knife | i can easily fix video and audio... been using unstable for a while |
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| 03:49.51 | knife | yet i have no sound, and no video acceleration still hmmm maybe im not so great after all |
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| 04:45.23 | WormFood | I have been using tar and netcat to transfer files for close to 10 years, and today is the first time I ever had it fail between 2 machines....did debian unstable break tar recently? that is the only thing I can think of that could cause the problem I'm having |
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| 04:46.43 | WormFood | transfer between machine A and B fail, but if I transfer from A to C, then C to B it works (A and C are debian, B is redhat)...using the same command lines (different addresses of course) |
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| 04:48.15 | WormFood | this confuses the fuck out of me....no god damn clue as to why it'd suddenly quit working....only thing I did is update debian on machine A a few days ago |
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| 04:48.55 | ki11abee | WormFood: what do you transfer? |
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| 04:49.28 | WormFood | tar cv files | nc remote_machine 1234 |
| 04:49.52 | WormFood | just transferring html files and images (web site) |
| 04:49.55 | ki11abee | why don't you use scp or sftp? |
| 04:50.18 | WormFood | because tar/netcat is faster |
| 04:50.24 | WormFood | and less problems |
| 04:50.33 | WormFood | many times scp won't work right |
| 04:50.51 | ki11abee | it's strange |
| 04:51.07 | ki11abee | maybe you have problems with network interface on host A |
| 04:51.11 | ki11abee | *host B |
| 04:51.13 | ki11abee | sorry |
| 04:51.14 | WormFood | I can't tell you the amount of time I've spent trying to get scp to work (in some instances), where tar/netcat always works (until today) |
| 04:51.31 | WormFood | not a network problem, I'm 99.9% sure |
| 04:51.40 | WormFood | I can get netcat to connect, and it works |
| 04:51.53 | WormFood | just when I pipe it to/from tar does it quit working |
| 04:52.04 | ki11abee | but there may be lost or damage packets |
| 04:52.11 | WormFood | make a text file, and redirect it, and it works |
| 04:52.24 | WormFood | lost or damaged packets? that does not explain why it works without tar |
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| 04:54.16 | WormFood | nc remote_machine 1234 < test_file.txt nc -l -p 1234 > test_file.txt <-- works fine |
| 04:54.48 | WormFood | tar cv * | nc remote_machine 1234 nc -l -p 1234 | tar xv <-- does not work |
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| 04:55.08 | WormFood | does not work between machine A and B, but does work between A and C, and C and B |
| 04:55.14 | WormFood | fuckin' STRANGE!!! |
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| 04:55.48 | WormFood | actually, I use the "-q 1" option on netcat too |
| 04:57.42 | screamingbytes | recommendations between Ajunta or Glade? anyone do c++ / gtk |
| 04:58.46 | WormFood | I'm going back to work now that I have my files transferred....if anyone has any comments or ideas about that problem, please say my nick so I'll see your message |
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| 05:03.14 | WormFood | just as a test, I made a tarball on machine A, then uploaded it to machine C, then redirected it through netcat to netcat/tar on machine B, and it worked fine. |
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| 05:36.08 | Joint | hey i have a question |
| 05:36.12 | Joint | how do i stop a deamon? |
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| 05:36.55 | Joint | how do i force to stop it? |
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| 05:37.25 | SpeedyG | Joint: usualy they can be found in /etc/init.d/ |
| 05:37.33 | Joint | yeah i know |
| 05:37.37 | SpeedyG | and you can stop them with /etc/init.d/$daemonname stop |
| 05:37.40 | Joint | how do force it though? |
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| 05:38.41 | SpeedyG | Joint: afaik, that should be enough |
| 05:39.07 | Somni | Joint: /etc/init.d scripts are not typically polite requests; if one of them isn't working to stop the daemon you want stopped, then there's a bug you need to fix; perhaps the pid file is wrong |
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| 05:39.36 | Joint | i have another question |
| 05:39.58 | Joint | how come every time i boot up my pc. the drivers for my sound card wont load? and i hve to do alsaconf everytime? |
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| 05:41.16 | ballet | a folder link (/var/log -> /scsi/var/log) on a sata drive to a scsi drive will reduce the performance? |
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| 05:41.41 | f00li5h | ballet: which disk is faster? |
| 05:42.00 | Joint | how come every time i boot up my pc. the drivers for my sound card wont load? and i hve to do alsaconf everytime? |
| 05:42.04 | ballet | the disk that the link pointer to |
| 05:42.16 | ballet | the disk that the link points to |
| 05:42.25 | f00li5h | ballet: so why would that peform worse? |
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| 05:42.40 | f00li5h | if you're writing to a quicker disk, it'd be quicker to write, surely |
| 05:42.51 | f00li5h | Joint: stick it in your init scripts then |
| 05:43.05 | ballet | because the link is on the slower disk, i don't know if this will slow the performance |
| 05:43.07 | Joint | actually alsa does start up |
| 05:43.17 | Joint | but the drivers dont |
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| 05:44.09 | f00li5h | Joint: did you add it to modules.conf? |
| 05:44.21 | f00li5h | err, /etc/modules, rather |
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| 05:45.28 | Dacs | howdy all |
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| 05:46.45 | Dacs | i have a question, am running debian etch. is it possible that i can pull the desktop in another box (running windows) could that be done? thanks in advance |
| 05:46.56 | WormFood | does anyone have a few seconds to test the speed of a web site for me? I'm in China, and EVERYTHING is slow here |
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| 05:47.11 | WormFood | Dacs, what do you mean by "pull the desktop"? |
| 05:47.16 | WormFood | view it on another machine? |
| 05:47.23 | Agrajag- | how do i specify nameservers under etch? /etc/resolv.conf has a message saying not to edit because it's generated by NetworkManager. how do i tell network manager what my dns servers are? (my static interfaces are defined in interfaces, so network-manager hasn't set them up).. or should i just remove network-manager altogether |
| 05:47.30 | Dacs | WormFood: yes |
| 05:47.37 | WormFood | Dacs, try vnc |
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| 05:49.02 | WormFood | there are several branches of vnc now....perhaps 'tightvnc' will work best....don't know, I don't use vnc much, after I got my 8 port, 2 user KVM :) |
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| 05:49.22 | g0rd0n | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-22etch2/changelog <- where is the changelog? |
| 05:49.26 | SpeedyG | Dacs, WormFood, x11vnc works pretty good over here |
| 05:49.39 | Dacs | WormFood: at work we use solaris 5.9 and IT installed Exceed for us , so i was thinking if i could do the same thing with debian |
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| 05:49.51 | akio | is there a command to switch vga modes from non-graphical? |
| 05:49.52 | WormFood | Agrajag-, check out /etc/resolvconf/ directory |
| 05:50.07 | Agrajag- | WormFood: doesn't exist |
| 05:50.12 | WormFood | SpeedyG, I think he wants to go the other way |
| 05:50.36 | Dacs | SpeedyG: x11vnc what is that? |
| 05:50.51 | SpeedyG | Dacs: a package for remote desktopping your current desktop |
| 05:51.40 | SpeedyG | thanks to jelly-home, I started using it in combination with ssh to make a secure tunnel for vnc'ing into my desktopmachine |
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| 05:52.21 | Dacs | well here is the delma, i have a linux box sitting at my closet and i want to use it as my dev machine , i don't have anything hooked to it. my question was that i want to be able to view the desktop in my windows machine |
| 05:52.48 | Dacs | SpeedyG: thats exactly what i want to do |
| 05:52.53 | WormFood | Agrajag-, do you have the 'resolvconf' package installed? ...sorry, I run sid, perhaps it is different here |
| 05:52.54 | f00li5h | Dacs: run an X11 server on your windows box, and send stuff to that |
| 05:53.03 | jelly-home | and good morning to you, or whatever the day bit is appropriate |
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| 05:53.36 | Dacs | f00li5h: no, i want to view my linux desktop in windows |
| 05:53.50 | SpeedyG | g'morning jelly-home, sorry for waking you up ;) |
| 05:53.56 | WormFood | Dacs, you don't want vnc then, you want X11 on your windows machine, like f00li5h said |
| 05:53.58 | Agrajag- | WormFood: no, no resolvconf installed.. i'll figure a way to install it (currently can't resolve debian mirror ip addresses) and go from there. ta. |
| 05:54.05 | f00li5h | Dacs: the x11 server runs on the machine you are looking at |
| 05:54.21 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: just got up a few minutes before ;-) |
| 05:54.21 | WormFood | Agrajag-, you can manually edit resolv.conf to make it work, but next time it will be erased |
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| 05:54.43 | WormFood | Dacs, learn how unix works....this is not windows....get out of the windows mindset |
| 05:54.45 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: *pfew* quite early here ;) (7.54AM) |
| 05:54.49 | Dacs | f00li5h: so that mean i will run x11 in my debian box |
| 05:54.52 | Agrajag- | WormFood yeah that's what i'd figure i'd do to install resolvconf |
| 05:55.07 | f00li5h | Dacs: the X program runs on the unix box, but is visable on the windows box |
| 05:55.13 | WormFood | Dacs, you clearly don't understand X11 |
| 05:55.15 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: I'm in the same TZ |
| 05:55.22 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: ah :) |
| 05:55.26 | WormFood | you run your X11 software on the linux box, and display it on your windows box |
| 05:55.34 | Dacs | WormFood: who said that i said so |
| 05:55.38 | WormFood | much, much, much better than a remote desktop |
| 05:56.11 | WormFood | Dacs, your desire to run your linux desktop remotely on a machine you'll never see, tells me you don't understand the finer points of X11 |
| 05:56.13 | Dacs | thats why i was asking if this is possible , if you go back you will see that i stated clearly in my question? |
| 05:56.25 | SpeedyG | WormFood: imo, the 'much better' part depends on what you need :) |
| 05:56.39 | WormFood | yes, it is very possible to control an X11 desktop from windows |
| 05:56.42 | Agrajag- | from my experience it depends how much bandwidth you have.. vnc/rdp use a lot less |
| 05:56.52 | WormFood | BUT, on a machine you'll never touch the desktop on, it is foolish to do that |
| 05:57.14 | f00li5h | WormFood: what are you talking about? |
| 05:57.14 | jelly-home | vnc sucks at interactivity though |
| 05:57.18 | WormFood | simply run the apps on the linux box, and display them to the windows box...much faster and smoother |
| 05:57.36 | WormFood | vnc is slow |
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| 05:58.10 | Dacs | WormFood: can you guide me or point a tutorial for me please on using x11 with windows |
| 05:58.24 | WormFood | the only good thing about running a remote desktop is the fact that you can disconnect and keep the linux apps running |
| 05:58.44 | jelly-home | Dacs: eXceed is an X server. you usually use to remote-login via xdm (thus, starting a new session) or run separate X apps, maybe via ssh+x11forwarding |
| 05:58.45 | WormFood | Dacs, sorry, I don't have one handy....I haven't done that in a long, long time |
| 05:59.19 | WormFood | if you are on a local network, and feel your security is good, you can omit ssh |
| 05:59.47 | Dacs | so i should be looking for ssh+x11forwarding+ debian |
| 05:59.49 | WormFood | I personally just ssh into the remote desktop, and run a terminal on my remote machine, then do everything else from that remote terminal |
| 06:00.01 | WormFood | x11forwarding is a feature of ssh |
| 06:00.14 | WormFood | you don't need to use ssh at all, if you don't want to |
| 06:00.17 | jelly-home | Dacs: that'd work |
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| 06:00.25 | Dacs | yeah i saw that in putty |
| 06:00.30 | SpeedyG | WormFood: but for the x11-forwarding, wouldnt you need some X-server app to be installed on the other computer ? |
| 06:00.32 | WormFood | if you need the security, then use ssh....if you're running over the internet, then use ssh for sure |
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| 06:01.05 | SpeedyG | (on the non-nix box I mean) |
| 06:01.05 | WormFood | SpeedyG, the x server/client parts feel backwards from what we're used to thinking of as server/clients |
| 06:01.17 | noboru | anyone knows the -recent for iptables? i think it has a bug |
| 06:01.22 | WormFood | SpeedyG, you need an X11 client on the windows box, IIRC |
| 06:01.29 | jelly-home | x server :-) |
| 06:01.34 | noboru | when i set the hitcount = 21,it does not do what it should do. |
| 06:01.42 | noboru | < 21 is okay |
| 06:01.48 | SpeedyG | WormFood: ah, theres the disadvantage for me.. i'm using vnc on a worklaptop on which I can hardly install anything |
| 06:01.52 | WormFood | I used to use exceed, or something like that....commercial product, and not that great, but worked well |
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| 06:02.22 | WormFood | SpeedyG, the X11 side for windows is pretty small, if I'm not mistaken (if you get one that isn't bloated to hell) |
| 06:02.23 | noboru | for example i set it as hitcount =21 in 1 minute,whatever i open different pages and reloads them many times quickely, iptables does not do DROP :( |
| 06:02.41 | SpeedyG | WormFood: it's not about size on that laptop, its all about permissions :) |
| 06:02.52 | noboru | is disappointed about iptables |
| 06:02.54 | WormFood | oh, you didn't say that SpeedyG :P |
| 06:02.58 | SpeedyG | so putty + realvnc-client is a better choice then :) |
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| 06:03.15 | SpeedyG | since they're both standalone apps, no need to install :) |
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| 06:03.36 | WormFood | anyone have a minute to spare, that can open a web page, and give me an impression as it its speed? (I'm in China, and all web pages are slow) |
| 06:03.54 | SpeedyG | as long as its not a chinese or russian page :p |
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| 06:04.02 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: you could try xrdp on the linux side, and a remote desktop client. I've never tested that. |
| 06:04.03 | WormFood | the site is in usa |
| 06:04.08 | WormFood | I'm in China |
| 06:04.15 | WormFood | SpeedyG, can I /msg you the url? |
| 06:04.22 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: yeah, i've heard about it some times |
| 06:04.25 | SpeedyG | WormFood: go ahead |
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| 06:07.27 | de55 | OH SNAP |
| 06:07.49 | noboru | WormFood, in china ? |
| 06:08.17 | WormFood | yes |
| 06:08.27 | noboru | chinese ? |
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| 06:08.31 | WormFood | nope |
| 06:08.37 | Joint | hey i have a question how come my wireless does not work? |
| 06:08.43 | WormFood | ææ¯ç¾å½äºº ;) |
| 06:08.47 | Joint | and the wireless card is installed already |
| 06:08.48 | WormFood | can you read that noboru? |
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| 06:09.06 | SpeedyG | Joint: because it isnt configured properly? |
| 06:09.21 | Joint | SpeedyG, im trying connecting with wicd |
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| 06:09.30 | WormFood | wireless under Linux can be a bitch sometimes....I just spent over an hour a day or two ago trying to get it working right |
| 06:09.32 | Joint | but it does not obtain an ip address |
| 06:09.48 | trifler | Joint: Can you scan the wlan with iwlist? |
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| 06:10.18 | WormFood | noboru, could you read my line in Chinese? |
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| 06:10.18 | noboru | wow |
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| 06:11.19 | noboru | WormFood,Yes ,perfect. |
| 06:11.40 | WormFood | :) you must be chinese, or at least have an elementary understanding of chinese :) |
| 06:11.47 | Joint | wlan? |
| 06:11.47 | Joint | how do you scan it |
| 06:11.47 | Joint | trifler, yeah i could =) |
| 06:11.49 | Joint | how do i connect to a wireless? |
| 06:11.51 | Joint | by command line? |
| 06:11.55 | WormFood | noboru, we have a #mandarin channel here too, that you are welcome to join |
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| 06:12.07 | noboru | cool,thanks |
| 06:12.17 | Joint_ | trifler, i can scan i |
| 06:12.18 | Joint_ | t |
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| 06:12.23 | Joint_ | how do i connect though? |
| 06:12.51 | trifler | Joint_: You see your wlan with iwlist <intercafe> scanning ? |
| 06:13.04 | Joint_ | i see 3 networks |
| 06:13.16 | Joint_ | ESSID:"2WIRE675" |
| 06:13.53 | Joint_ | trifler, how do i connect to that network? |
| 06:13.58 | trifler | Joint_: Then iwconfig <interface> essid <name on wlan> [key] <123456> |
| 06:14.19 | trifler | then dhcpd |
| 06:14.21 | Joint_ | iwconfig wlan0 essid 2WIRE675 key? |
| 06:14.26 | Joint_ | like that? |
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| 06:14.42 | trifler | key followed by the key your wlan uses if you have a key |
| 06:15.01 | trifler | exaktamundo |
| 06:15.08 | Joint_ | trifler, it does have a key |
| 06:15.13 | Joint_ | darkplanet:/home/Joint# iwconfig wlan0 essid 2WIRE675 3055521207 |
| 06:15.13 | Joint_ | iwconfig: unknown command "3055521207" |
| 06:15.17 | Joint_ | im getting that error |
| 06:15.51 | liable | key 3055.. |
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| 06:16.27 | Joint_ | okey |
| 06:16.28 | Joint_ | now what? |
| 06:16.30 | trifler | Joint_: well you forgot key before your key |
| 06:16.46 | Joint_ | bash: dhcpd: command not found |
| 06:16.50 | Joint_ | how do i connect now? |
| 06:17.06 | de55 | anyone here have selinux enabled on their machine? |
| 06:17.06 | trifler | Joint_: You need to aquire and ip-adress from the ap. |
| 06:17.14 | Joint_ | how though? |
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| 06:17.39 | trifler | Joint_: dhclient then |
| 06:18.00 | trifler | i guess that's the dhcp daemon binary in deb? |
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| 06:18.21 | liable | he wants dhclient not dhcpd |
| 06:18.44 | trifler | Joint_: mm then dhclient wlan0 |
| 06:19.12 | trifler | hihi |
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| 06:19.36 | milligan_ | Will a SATA disk work on a SATA2 controller? |
| 06:19.50 | liable | yes |
| 06:19.53 | milligan_ | thanks |
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| 06:21.33 | abli | Hi! how can I get a list of packages that are placed on hold in aptitude (i.e. aptitude won't automatically upgrade them)? |
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| 06:22.29 | DawnLight | abli: install and read the aptitude-doc-*; the part about search patterns, or something |
| 06:22.55 | abli | DawnLight, I read it but didn't find the right pattern. |
| 06:23.24 | DawnLight | ~h perhaps? or ~H? are you sure you didn't find? |
| 06:23.26 | apt | okay, DawnLight |
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| 06:26.55 | abli | "aptitude search ~h" gives "E: Unknown pattern type: h", same with H; the "Search Patterns" section of the user manual contains nothing useful |
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| 06:35.38 | jelly-home | abli: ~ahold? |
| 06:36.23 | Dacs | what you guys prefer to use Cygwin/X or X-Deep/2? |
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| 06:36.31 | jelly-home | Dacs: xming? |
| 06:37.05 | jelly-home | Cygwin/X is a bit of a bloat; no idea what is the latter |
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| 06:38.01 | abli | jelly-home, thanks. thats it. the users manual is misleading |
| 06:39.38 | Nyle | http://paste.debian.net/15535/ |
| 06:39.50 | Nyle | doh |
| 06:39.52 | Nyle | oops |
| 06:39.54 | Nyle | wrong click! |
| 06:39.57 | Nyle | don't read that |
| 06:40.00 | noboru | how do i check what version of the ipt_recent ? |
| 06:40.00 | Nyle | thats not for you! |
| 06:40.02 | Nyle | stop |
| 06:40.03 | jelly-home | !enter |
| 06:40.04 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 06:40.06 | Nyle | enter |
| 06:40.09 | Nyle | !enter |
| 06:40.13 | Nyle | entree |
| 06:40.20 | Nyle | argh |
| 06:40.28 | Nyle | a;lsdjf;alksdfj |
| 06:40.34 | Nyle | *away* |
| 06:40.37 | jelly-home | good morning to you too |
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| 06:41.02 | Nyle | g'morning. I have not yet been to sleep, kinda up |
| 06:41.09 | f00li5h | i'm confused, how can the step "Continue installation remotely using SSH" fail? |
| 06:41.23 | Nyle | I got paid for an entire day of coding, and I didn't code shit, so now I just spend a little time working on this web form for work |
| 06:41.24 | Dacs | jelly-home: what will be the command to run the desktop, i was able to run xclock |
| 06:41.27 | Nyle | I think I'm gonna go to bed |
| 06:41.34 | Nyle | Dacs, which desktop? |
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| 06:41.47 | Dacs | my debian desktop |
| 06:41.53 | Nyle | startx? |
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| 06:42.18 | Nyle | Dacs, you are virtualizing debian or something? |
| 06:42.37 | jelly-home | abli: that's pretty much the only search pattern even mentioning "hold" in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html |
| 06:43.40 | jelly-home | Dacs: no idea, depends on the DE used, I guess |
| 06:43.58 | Dacs | Fatal server error: |
| 06:43.59 | Dacs | Server is already active for display 0 |
| 06:44.01 | Dacs | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.02 | Dacs | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.18 | jelly-home | Dacs: your DISPLAY isn't set correctly |
| 06:44.19 | Dacs | this is what i get when i run startx |
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| 06:44.43 | jelly-home | Dacs: if should be something like localhost:10 |
| 06:44.44 | Dacs | jelly-home: but i was able to display xclock |
| 06:45.08 | jelly-home | Dacs: oh, then you tried to startx or sometihng |
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| 06:45.47 | jelly-home | Dacs: something that tried to run an instance of X on that machine, that is |
| 06:46.14 | abli | jelly-home, thats true. but it begins with "Matches packages upon which the given action is going to be performed" and thats were the user will stop reading. Face it: it is totally unintuitive that '~ahold' has a totally different meaning than ~ainstall |
| 06:46.19 | jelly-home | Dacs: which DE do you use? |
| 06:46.31 | Dacs | gnome |
| 06:46.47 | jelly-home | Dacs: gnome-session & perhaps |
| 06:47.19 | Nyle | jelly-home, know any good books on UML modeling? |
| 06:47.29 | Nyle | jelly-home, don't you design shit? |
| 06:47.29 | Dacs | jelly-home: what do you mean |
| 06:47.31 | jelly-home | Nyle: no |
| 06:47.35 | Nyle | I thought you did |
| 06:47.37 | Nyle | hm |
| 06:47.41 | Nyle | jelly-home, so what do you do? |
| 06:47.50 | Nyle | jelly-home, you network admin stuff instead? |
| 06:48.01 | jelly-home | Nyle: more correctly, I don't need uml for my shit yet |
| 06:48.09 | Nyle | heh |
| 06:48.12 | Nyle | yeh |
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| 06:48.27 | Nyle | I'm back into doing OOP in .NET/C# and PHP |
| 06:48.38 | Nyle | I actually enjoy developing now its pretty cool |
| 06:48.50 | Nyle | I think I'll finally go back to school now that I have a direction |
| 06:48.57 | Nyle | be a fulltime developer, finish my degree |
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| 06:49.07 | Nyle | get a job, marry, family kid whatever you know |
| 06:49.08 | Nyle | :D |
| 06:49.15 | Nyle | but before I can do all that, I must go to sleep |
| 06:49.16 | Nyle | g'nite. |
| 06:49.18 | Nyle | *out* |
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| 06:49.28 | jelly-home | Dacs: I mean, run "gnome-session" and put it in background |
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| 06:50.01 | jelly-home | Nyle: it's a decent plan. Good night |
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| 06:52.45 | Dacs | jelly-home: start the session form the machine it self or while i am remotely connected to it |
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| 06:55.10 | jelly-home | Dacs: from putty |
| 06:55.27 | jelly-home | Dacs: (ie. the latter) |
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| 06:55.44 | Dacs | jelly-home: how , using the startx |
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| 06:56.06 | jelly-home | Dacs: run "gnome-session &" in putty |
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| 06:58.10 | g0rd0n | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-22etch2/changelog <- where is the changelog? |
| 06:58.16 | Dacs | :~$ Xlib: connection to "localhost:10.0" refused by server |
| 06:58.17 | Dacs | Xlib: PuTTY X11 proxy: wrong authentication protocol attempted |
| 06:58.19 | Dacs | (gnome-session:21219): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 06:58.30 | wols | !tell XSoul about xauth |
| 06:58.42 | wols | !tell dacs about xauth |
| 06:59.19 | jelly-home | wols: shouldn't sshx set up xauth cookies? He said running "xclock" worked |
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| 06:59.54 | jelly-home | Dacs: does "xdpyinfo" work? |
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| 07:00.24 | Dacs | after that error i don't have a shell prompt , should it ctrl+c |
| 07:00.38 | wols | it should, yes |
| 07:00.42 | jelly-home | Dacs: press enter |
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| 07:01.19 | jelly-home | Dacs: you really have a prompt in the first line: ":~$ Xlib: connection to "localhost:10.0" refused by server" |
| 07:01.20 | Dacs | jelly-home: Xlib: connection to "localhost:10.0" refused by server |
| 07:01.22 | Dacs | Xlib: PuTTY X11 proxy: wrong authentication protocol attempted |
| 07:01.23 | Dacs | xdpyinfo: unable to open display "localhost:10.0". |
| 07:01.39 | jelly-home | Dacs: how did xclock work, then |
| 07:01.59 | jelly-home | hm, maybe gnome-session fucked up the cookie |
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| 07:02.29 | jelly-home | Dacs: log out; log in again with putty, try xdpyinfo again |
| 07:02.41 | Dacs | it was the first thing i ran. |
| 07:02.44 | Dacs | ok will do |
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| 07:03.40 | Dacs | xdpyinfo: unable to open display "". |
| 07:03.54 | jelly-home | Dacs: did xming die? |
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| 07:04.12 | vpsx | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.18 | jelly-home | Dacs: (or did you forget to enable X11Forwarding this time?) |
| 07:04.19 | Dacs | Fatal server error: |
| 07:04.20 | Dacs | Server is already active for display 0 |
| 07:04.21 | perfector | recommend alternate lightweight desktop apps pls. |
| 07:04.22 | Dacs | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.23 | Dacs | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.50 | simonrvn | wonders when debhelper is going to kick his ass |
| 07:04.50 | jelly-home | Dacs: what are you trying to run to have given that error? |
| 07:05.01 | jelly-home | simonrvn: >4 lines |
| 07:05.06 | Dacs | "sudo startx |
| 07:05.16 | jelly-home | Dacs: who told you to run that? |
| 07:05.32 | simonrvn | blinks |
| 07:05.51 | Dacs | sorry |
| 07:06.02 | Dacs | looking at his feet |
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| 07:06.21 | jelly-home | Dacs: you have a remote X server running on windws; there's absolutely no reason to start another one |
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| 07:06.56 | jelly-home | Dacs: echo $DISPLAY |
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| 07:07.32 | Dacs | localhost:10.0 |
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| 07:07.56 | Dacs | then i will exit putty and update this in x11forwarding |
| 07:08.08 | jelly-home | anyway, I'm off to work; hopefully someone will step in to help making your remote gnome-session over X11Forwarding work |
| 07:08.59 | Dacs | "/usr/bin/X11/xauth: error in locking authority file /home/haiger/.Xauthority" |
| 07:09.34 | Dacs | jelly-home: thanks for all the help man. me my self i have to catch some sleep , i have to be at work after 4 hrs |
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| 07:09.57 | perfector | recommend alternate lightweight desktop apps pls. |
| 07:10.24 | simonrvn | perfector: what is it you're asking, exactly? |
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| 07:11.15 | perfector | simonrvn, low end machine.. cant use heavy stuff like nautilus firefox evolution |
| 07:11.21 | Pulpie | whereis the start up file for debian, i have artsd that starts up now but I need to replace artsd with esd. |
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| 07:11.28 | perfector | simonrvn, already using fluxbox pcmanfm conky |
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| 07:12.27 | simonrvn | ok... |
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| 07:12.50 | rmrfchik | damn... sound again is broken. /me so tired |
| 07:13.01 | Pulpie | rmrfchik: alsaconf |
| 07:13.05 | wols | !tell Pulpie about sysvinit |
| 07:13.19 | noboru | rmrfchik, get some rest then :) |
| 07:13.21 | Pulpie | !tell wols about debhelper |
| 07:13.32 | Pulpie | erm that was suppose to show you how to use it :P |
| 07:13.33 | rmrfchik | Pulpie: doesn't help |
| 07:13.36 | wols | perfector: no real alternative to ffox. mail you have lots of choices |
| 07:13.45 | rmrfchik | noboru: i have to have sound. i need skype :( |
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| 07:14.00 | noboru | oh,then good luck :) |
| 07:14.03 | Dacs | Xlib: connection to "localhost:10.0" refused by server |
| 07:14.05 | Dacs | Xlib: PuTTY X11 proxy: wrong authentication protocol attempted |
| 07:14.06 | Dacs | Error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0 |
| 07:14.25 | perfector | wols, k anything else that u could suggest |
| 07:14.36 | simonrvn | mutt |
| 07:14.39 | rmrfchik | last time, "rm /etc/modprobe.d/sound" helped me. |
| 07:15.01 | rmrfchik | i think the problem is in order of module loading. but what is correct order? |
| 07:15.08 | Pulpie | wols: those arent what i am talking about, i need the equivalent of rc.conf in bsd but in debian |
| 07:15.31 | wols | Pulpie: that is sysvinit scripts. nothing else |
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| 07:15.40 | simonrvn | tried unloading and loading the sound driver? |
| 07:15.56 | Pulpie | wols: ok... umm isn't there a simple way to replace what sound daemon you use? |
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| 07:16.00 | simonrvn | had to do that sometimes on a sb16 isa card |
| 07:16.08 | rmrfchik | simonrvn: sure |
| 07:16.17 | wols | Pulpie: this is easy |
| 07:16.24 | simonrvn | nothing blocking it? |
| 07:16.24 | rmrfchik | i have hda intel on realtek 883 chipset |
| 07:16.40 | Pulpie | wols: mind helping me though it then |
| 07:16.42 | simonrvn | (order doesn't really matter much) |
| 07:16.51 | rmrfchik | asus p5 |
| 07:17.04 | rmrfchik | simonrvn: so, what can be the problem? |
| 07:17.06 | wols | Pulpie: find the artsd script first. check /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 07:17.30 | simonrvn | answer my question first |
| 07:17.44 | rmrfchik | simonrvn: "blocking" what do u mean? |
| 07:17.54 | Pulpie | wols: not there. |
| 07:18.04 | rmrfchik | i think nothing on the way ;) |
| 07:18.06 | simonrvn | application hogging the device.... |
| 07:18.16 | rmrfchik | no. I tried "single user" mode |
| 07:18.23 | wols | Pulpie: personally, I'd just uninstall artsd. I think it'S started by kde itself |
| 07:18.39 | rmrfchik | i tried even "init=/bin/sh" with manual "modprobe snd-hda-intel" |
| 07:18.41 | rmrfchik | no way :* |
| 07:18.42 | rmrfchik | :( |
| 07:19.06 | simonrvn | what did dmesg say when it loaded? anything? and did it show up in lsmod when you did that? |
| 07:19.40 | simonrvn | perfector: mutt is good for low mem ;) |
| 07:19.53 | Pulpie | wols: ok its removed but does that mean pulseaudio will start up |
| 07:20.03 | wols | Pulpie: one way to find out |
| 07:20.06 | rmrfchik | simonrvn: hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC883, trying auto-probe from BIOS... |
| 07:20.24 | perfector | simonrvn, basically looking for gui apps for the desktop |
| 07:20.25 | Pulpie | wols: ok brb |
| 07:20.30 | wols | rmrfchik: what kernel version? |
| 07:20.40 | wols | Pulpie: sylpheed claws |
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| 07:21.06 | rmrfchik | simonrvn: i have all deviced in /dev, no application complaining. volumes are maximum. nothing in headphones |
| 07:21.09 | noboru | hi wols ,how are you ? |
| 07:21.11 | rmrfchik | wols: 2.6.26 |
| 07:21.25 | simonrvn | balsa is passable, but very crashy, ans has gnome deps... also that foo-claws one... um |
| 07:21.44 | wols | noboru: better. then you started talking |
| 07:21.51 | simonrvn | claws-mail |
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| 07:22.04 | wols | simonrvn: that's sylpheed claws new name IIRC |
| 07:22.14 | noboru | wols, did you notice that the rpt_rent moudle has bugs and i was told it is related to linux kernel ,it doesnt work in my 2.6.18 if i set the hitcount > 20 |
| 07:22.18 | simonrvn | that's pretty light, and supports imap |
| 07:22.21 | simonrvn | wols: yeh |
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| 07:22.59 | noboru | when it is > 20, iptables wont do DROP jobs even the rule is matched. < or = 20 however,it does work. very weird. |
| 07:23.10 | simonrvn | rmrfchik: sounds like you have a problem, but not familiar enough with that chipset to be of much help. |
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| 07:23.25 | rmrfchik | i definitly have a problem :) |
| 07:23.32 | nirupama | is there any tool in debian using which we can create our own keyboard layout |
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| 07:23.44 | wols | nirupama: xmodmap for example |
| 07:23.50 | simonrvn | rmrfchik: "Unknown model for ALC883..." |
| 07:24.03 | simonrvn | wtf is that? |
| 07:24.15 | wols | which is strange since P5A is a very old mobo and 2.6.26 is very new |
| 07:24.15 | nirupama | wols, I need a graphical one |
| 07:24.18 | wols | simonrvn: the DAC |
| 07:24.22 | rmrfchik | simonrvn: I tried different "model=" according to alsa documentation |
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| 07:24.31 | simonrvn | wols: i see |
| 07:24.34 | rmrfchik | simonrvn: it is asus p5k |
| 07:24.36 | nirupama | wols, like an onscreen keyboard |
| 07:24.50 | simonrvn | xkeycaps ... |
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| 07:25.00 | simonrvn | s/need/want/ |
| 07:25.08 | simonrvn | need is like food, water, etc. |
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| 07:26.00 | simonrvn | rmrfchik: lemme guess, this is the crappy onboard sound device? |
| 07:26.05 | simonrvn | s/the/a/ |
| 07:26.07 | rmrfchik | yes. |
| 07:26.21 | simonrvn | *headdesk* |
| 07:26.29 | wols | simonrvn: of course it is |
| 07:26.37 | simonrvn | better find yourself a used one, be better off ;). |
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| 07:27.28 | rmrfchik | but it worked for a year. |
| 07:27.44 | simonrvn | the peecee onboard sound isn't like the old mac stuff, at least that worked |
| 07:28.01 | simonrvn | probably will again |
| 07:28.57 | simonrvn | rmrfchik: you could try shifting the load order around a bit, like driver first, then codec, or codec first, then driver. gl. |
| 07:29.06 | simonrvn | /etc/modules *hint* |
| 07:29.37 | rmrfchik | simonrvn: will try it by hand |
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| 07:30.34 | simonrvn | if kmod is enabled, it'll pull in a bunch of stuff, so sometimes order matters in that case. |
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| 07:32.11 | Crissi | hello |
| 07:32.22 | f00li5h | say, what do I need to install to let someone vnc into my xsession? |
| 07:32.25 | simonrvn | olleh |
| 07:32.32 | Crissi | i need some help by installing kolab on debian etch |
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| 07:32.56 | Crissi | is there a special repo for that? the packages in etch seems mixed |
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| 07:33.29 | simonrvn | kolab in etch is very patchy... |
| 07:33.41 | simonrvn | as in patchy support |
| 07:34.14 | Crissi | hm. |
| 07:34.36 | Crissi | do you have an howto or good tips for ità |
| 07:34.37 | Crissi | ? |
| 07:34.48 | wols | look for a backport :) |
| 07:35.39 | simonrvn | that would be the best option, imo |
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| 07:36.51 | DingWL | @_^,how many people is there! |
| 07:37.01 | Guerin | we are legion |
| 07:37.14 | Crissi | ok... backport is an good start point |
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| 07:37.39 | wols | Guerin: more like a cohort |
| 07:37.59 | DingWL | hehe |
| 07:38.26 | Crissi | hm.. no kolab in backports |
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| 07:52.59 | f00li5h | http://pastie.org/259300 |
| 07:54.12 | f00li5h | http://pastie.org/259300 |
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| 07:54.39 | olspookishmagus | hello everyone, can I use aptitude to check my packages if any is broken; |
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| 07:55.37 | f00li5h | sorry guys, stupid crap going on with my kvm |
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| 08:00.12 | orkam_wrk | Hi, I'm currently setting up a webserver using the debian etch distro. I wonder what function the group 'ssl-cert' has. (postgres is a member e.g.). Using google I found infos about the ssl-cert package only. I assume that the postgres database administrator may create / modify certificates. Is that true? Could you give me a pointer to the correcponding docs? |
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| 08:01.54 | g0rd0n | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-22etch2/changelog <- where is the changelog? |
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| 08:15.25 | Pulpie | wols: thanks bte |
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| 08:17.14 | simonrvn | !su |
| 08:17.15 | dpkg | su is, like, switch/set user. It is used to change User ID's and/or gain super user access |
| 08:17.21 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 08:17.34 | f00li5h | !meow |
| 08:17.34 | dpkg | breaks out in song! meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow... |
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| 08:18.07 | simonrvn | other chan d00d ;) |
| 08:18.16 | simonrvn | points at #perl |
| 08:18.32 | f00li5h | simonrvn: whome? |
| 08:18.42 | simonrvn | yesyou |
| 08:18.57 | f00li5h | i wanted to find out what the robot would do if I meowed at it... seemed reasonable to me |
| 08:19.50 | simonrvn | has a new kernel |
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| 08:25.57 | Nibbler | if the encoded url in an email (postfix) is "...reminder=2Easpx?ticket=3DuDn=N=n8lwx....". i assume =3d means "=", but what happens to: =N=n8.....? |
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| 08:28.14 | simonrvn | "reminder.aspx?ticket=3&n=n8lwx..." ? |
| 08:28.39 | simonrvn | shrugs, and shuts down to install h/w |
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| 08:28.41 | Nibbler | gives me "invalid ticket" - but of course this can have any other reason, too |
| 08:29.08 | TiMiDo | hey i have a question how come, everytime i reboot, i hve to do alsaconf, how come the modules wont start at boot? |
| 08:29.11 | TiMiDo | can someone help me? |
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| 08:29.31 | LeoDing | are you only using Debian OS ? |
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| 08:30.11 | TiMiDo | LeoDing, of course |
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| 08:32.25 | LeoDing | Nobady using ubuntu ? It's looks very popule ... |
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| 08:34.12 | LeoDing | why are you only using debian ? Because it's stable ? Or other reason ? |
| 08:34.42 | raz0 | only? what do you mean? :) |
| 08:34.44 | LeoDing | Please somebody answer me ! |
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| 08:35.38 | cydork | !why debian |
| 08:35.39 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
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| 08:35.45 | LeoDing | raz0: only using Debian OS ,not using others, such as windows , ubuntu , and other Like-unix |
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| 08:36.32 | LeoDing | dpkg: yes , i looked . But I want your reason ...@_^ |
| 08:36.33 | dpkg | LeoDing: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 08:37.03 | raz0 | LeoDing, those would be (some of) our reasons too... |
| 08:37.41 | LeoDing | haha |
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| 08:37.49 | LeoDing | :) |
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| 08:38.04 | LeoDing | dpkg: ??? |
| 08:38.05 | dpkg | LeoDing: are you using Windows? |
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| 08:38.23 | raz0 | dpkg is a bot |
| 08:38.24 | dpkg | raz0: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 08:39.00 | LeoDing | No,I am best like debian , but ... |
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| 08:40.34 | LeoDing | but it's some software package so old in source.It's not newer than ubuntu... |
| 08:41.00 | sladi | LeoDing: dpkg is not human. You can msg it to get information. ^^ |
| 08:41.16 | LeoDing | May i using debian OS and using ubuntu's sources ?? |
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| 08:41.25 | LeoDing | sladi:what ? |
| 08:41.36 | LeoDing | sladi: it's bot ? |
| 08:41.41 | raz0 | Some times that workse, but I don't think always, LeoDing. |
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| 08:42.42 | sladi | LeoDing: try "/msg dpkg aptitude" |
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| 08:44.18 | harpal | Whats version after etch? |
| 08:44.18 | sladi | LeoDing: If you need newer software, you may try the testing repositories in Debian. |
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| 08:45.42 | LeoDing | sladi:i want, but i am worried it too new ,it's have many BUGs |
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| 08:46.57 | morbyte | how do i enable loading the powernow-k8 module on boot? |
| 08:47.45 | sladi | LeoDing: I think it's similar to Ubuntu. They share the bug tracking system I think. In Debian there are unstable and experimental too. They may have more bugs and are even newer than testing. Testing comes from unstable after ten days when no serious bugs get reported. |
| 08:48.15 | sladi | harpal: Lenny? |
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| 08:49.21 | harpal | sladi: after that sid its lenny? |
| 08:49.41 | harpal | etch--->lenny--->sid |
| 08:49.43 | harpal | ? |
| 08:49.57 | sladi | Lenny is the nexst stable version. Currently it is still testing. Sid is always unstable. |
| 08:50.27 | harpal | sladi: ok. how can I upgrade it to lenny? |
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| 08:50.45 | sladi | Etch -> Lenny -> don't know, but Sid is always unstable and newer gets a release. |
| 08:51.25 | LeoDing | sladi: yes?debian testing ? Your meaning it's safer than ubuntu >? |
| 08:51.50 | morbyte | harpal: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and afterwards do a "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 08:51.56 | harpal | sladi: I have etch and I want to update it to lenny. |
| 08:52.00 | harpal | morbyte: ok |
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| 08:52.16 | OpenTokix | anyone else have problem with openvpn just refusing to work suddenly? |
| 08:52.18 | OpenTokix | in debian lenny |
| 08:52.58 | sladi | harpal: There you replace etch with lenny. If you put testing instead of etch, you will always be in testing even after LEnny is released since Lenny won't get new sotware anymore except from backports |
| 08:53.17 | sladi | harpal: after its release I mean |
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| 08:53.47 | sladi | LeoDing: I doubt it's safer. |
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| 08:54.53 | sladi | LeoDing: I use Debian since I don't want Ubuntu special helpers and I don'T use Gnome, KDE or XFCE |
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| 08:55.23 | LeoDing | sladi: you using CLI ? |
| 08:55.36 | sladi | LeoDing: wmii |
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| 08:56.30 | wols | sladi: ubunt has its totally own bugtracker, named launchpad |
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| 08:56.45 | sladi | wols: I see, thanks. :) |
| 08:57.08 | LeoDing | sladi: wmii ? i don't know, but i used icewm in the past. |
| 08:57.23 | wols | sladi: and debian will not ever use it btw, launchpad is canonical closed source :) |
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| 08:58.39 | morbyte | is there a way to pass options to the thermal-module by using the grub command line? |
| 08:59.03 | wols | morbyte: sure. edit your kopt line or add them directly |
| 08:59.10 | sladi | wols: didn't know that :) |
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| 09:01.17 | morbyte | wols: when adding thermal.off=1 the kernel tells me that its an unknown bootoption so it ignores it, 3 lines later it shuts the laptop down caused by "critial temp. reached"... |
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| 09:02.27 | morbyte | interestingly, those 68° is exactly the room temp if measured in fahrenheit ... |
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| 09:02.39 | LeoDing | sladi: can you give some info about wmii ? such as picture ... |
| 09:03.08 | morbyte | LeoDing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wmii |
| 09:03.26 | LeoDing | morbyte:OK,thanks. |
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| 09:09.06 | f00li5h | what's the most friendly way to export user/pass information from a debian box (for consumption by a ubuntu install, if it matters) |
| 09:09.07 | cgibin | 9.5 is the new one however, 9.3 |
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| 09:20.14 | wols | cgibin: security.debian.org. debian backports fixes for stable. no new versions |
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| 09:34.48 | pierre_ | hi |
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| 09:36.28 | pierre_ | i'm trying to install firefox 3 but it can't find some libs : http://pastie.org/259332 ?! |
| 09:37.10 | pierre_ | does anyone know what s happening please ? |
| 09:37.28 | eap | do you have gnome installed ? |
| 09:38.12 | pierre_ | libgtk2.0-0 is installed : http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
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| 09:38.38 | eap | ok lemme check something, hang on |
| 09:38.40 | nmh_2Grajw | pierre_: can you find the libraries by hand? |
| 09:39.10 | pierre_ | by hand ? |
| 09:39.15 | wols | pierre_: etch? |
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| 09:39.39 | wols | pierre_: all other debian versions come with ffox 3 by default. and it's not possible to install ffox3 on etch |
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| 09:40.17 | eap | smacks his head: forgot to ask that qst :D |
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| 09:40.56 | pierre_ | wols: it s a beta of ff 3 with debian |
| 09:41.15 | wols | pierre_: what debian version? |
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| 09:41.49 | pierre_ | wols: unstable |
| 09:41.56 | angryuser | good day |
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| 09:42.09 | wols | pierre_: install iceweasel |
| 09:42.46 | pierre_ | done |
| 09:43.30 | pierre_ | ah |
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| 09:44.02 | pierre_ | old version I had cool |
| 09:44.11 | pierre_ | thanks ^^ |
| 09:44.37 | sofiane | hello i am writting a firewall script with iptables for protect my server, can you advice me and tell me where i can put it for launch this script automaticly at start? |
| 09:45.02 | sofiane | what is the usual place for place script launched at OS load? |
| 09:45.52 | pierre_ | /etc/init.d |
| 09:46.30 | wols | sofiane: /etc/network/interfaces. the question is: why do you need a firewall? |
| 09:47.37 | sofiane | cause i am paranoiac |
| 09:48.11 | sofiane | wols, and i prefer the solution of pierre_ |
| 09:48.20 | sofiane | pierre_, thank you |
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| 10:25.51 | mr_empty | quick question about etch-and-a-half: which kernel package should i install? linux-image-2.6-amd64-etchnhalf or linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 |
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| 10:32.03 | zorrolero | Sero: is there a file "apache2" in your "/etc/logrotate.d/"-dir? |
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| 10:37.52 | MrWax | hi, I have installed ntp and ntp-client, how should I get it working now, where can I set some timeserver and apply it? |
| 10:38.16 | vaq | MrWax: rtfm |
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| 10:38.50 | zzer | Iceweasel/2.0.0.15 (Debian-2.0.0.15-0etch1) whats the easy=iest way get flashplayer plugin working? |
| 10:38.56 | anilg | Which is the place to discuss cdbs? |
| 10:39.18 | anilg | rather ask questions about cdbs |
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| 10:40.12 | anilg | grr.. |
| 10:40.39 | rmrfchik | found nice tool to detect my sound problem. http://helllabs.org/codecgraph/ |
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| 10:42.19 | rmrfchik | I compared actual diagram with diagram on site and think I found the problem |
| 10:42.48 | rmrfchik | output from 0x23 Stereo is linked to grayed 0x08 Stereo. |
| 10:43.13 | rmrfchik | on reference diagram, 0x08 is not grayed but blue |
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| 10:50.10 | Sero | mrwax: you just need to have ntp running |
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| 10:55.33 | petchema_ | hello all... I'd like to mount some NFSv3 fs with nordirplus option using an Etch client, but beside a 2.6.22+ kernel, it doesn't look like util-linux (or nfs-common) knows yet about this option... |
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| 10:58.29 | petchema_ | I found the patch (http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.nfs/12662 ?) but I don't understand what I should apply it to... both util-linux and nfs-common have sources for 'mount' |
| 10:58.34 | petchema_ | is confused |
| 10:59.06 | petemc | Sero: echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump ; tail -f /var/log/debug | grep -Ev '(kjournald|pdflush|syslogd)' |
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| 11:09.29 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:09.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd148 is <Laney> alright lads. i set my root shell to /sbin/nolgin, but apparently that means i can't use "su -c" and sudo isn't installed. how can i change it back? :( |
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| 11:16.04 | Internat | lol thats inpressive. |
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| 11:16.24 | Internat | cant you pass a -s option to su to specific a shell? |
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| 11:23.40 | KleinerHai | Hi, why can't I use ndiswrapper with wep encryptioN? |
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| 11:26.25 | fireba11 | Hi, my server isn't booting up anymore. it's a rented box where i can't get access to boot messages easily, and logs (from a rescue-system) are not written so it probably hangs bevore that. any tips ? |
| 11:27.29 | petemc | contact someone with physical access to the machine |
| 11:28.04 | cyzie | is there a linux video cutter where i just want to cut some portion of the movie in avi ? |
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| 11:28.12 | Tadej | hi |
| 11:28.20 | rmrfchik | is there any lucky with asus p5k? |
| 11:28.42 | Tadej | does anyone know how to copy data from one disk to another (complete disk) |
| 11:28.48 | Tadej | I want to make a copy |
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| 11:29.21 | stew | Tadej: are the disks the same size? if not, which is bigger? |
| 11:29.24 | rmrfchik | Tadej: dd |
| 11:29.33 | rmrfchik | dd if=/dev/disk1 of=/dev/disk2 |
| 11:29.37 | Tadej | stew; the new one is bigger |
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| 11:29.58 | stew | Tadej: then you can "cp /dev/disk1 /dev/disk2" |
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| 11:30.18 | Tadej | stew; will it copy everything? |
| 11:30.24 | stew | Tadej: yes |
| 11:30.33 | rmrfchik | tar cf - /mnt/disk1 | (cd /mnt/disk2; tar xvf -) |
| 11:30.33 | Tadej | ok thanks |
| 11:30.42 | Tadej | rmrfchik; thank you too |
| 11:31.05 | stew | Tadej: it will not make use of the extra size of the larger disk, but you could expand partitions and their filesystems later |
| 11:31.25 | stew | Tadej: but if you were going to expand partitions later, it might be wise to do it before you throw away the original |
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| 11:35.53 | fireba11 | petemc : i'm trying .. anything i could check untill then ? |
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| 11:37.05 | solar_sea | is it possible to do a netinstall over pppoe ? |
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| 11:37.19 | fireba11 | solar_sea : why not ? |
| 11:37.19 | solar_sea | (in sense - does the netinstall image contains pppoe utilities ?) |
| 11:37.51 | wols | solar_sea: yes |
| 11:38.00 | solar_sea | wols: thanks |
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| 11:38.27 | solar_sea | should I boot it as install modules=ppp-udeb |
| 11:38.34 | solar_sea | as stated in the installation guide ? |
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| 11:49.20 | dkremer | hello |
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| 11:50.38 | dkremer | I have a dvd problem : [ 4054.725206] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 2496 |
| 11:50.57 | dkremer | could you give me some hints about this problem ? |
| 11:51.27 | dkremer | my fstab line : /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom udf,iso9660 user,noauto,ro 0 0 |
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| 11:53.50 | SnarceZ | hi all |
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| 11:54.08 | SnarceZ | I need an advice... |
| 11:54.14 | choariza | ? |
| 11:54.33 | SnarceZ | if I set up this partition table: |
| 11:56.09 | SnarceZ | sda1 /boot |
| 11:56.15 | SnarceZ | sda2 / (elive) |
| 11:56.22 | SnarceZ | sda3 / (debian) |
| 11:56.31 | SnarceZ | sda5 swap |
| 11:56.37 | SnarceZ | sda6 /home (elive) |
| 11:56.47 | SnarceZ | sda7 /home (debian) |
| 11:57.00 | SnarceZ | may I have problems? coud it be unstable? |
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| 11:57.31 | dkremer | the wird thing is to have the same /boot partition for two systems |
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| 11:57.36 | dkremer | weird* |
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| 11:58.05 | dkremer | I have already test something like that, it's sure that adminstration tasks will not be easier |
| 11:58.42 | dkremer | Keep boot in the same partition that /, that will be better I think |
| 12:00.19 | abrotman | SnarceZ: try it and find out |
| 12:00.20 | SnarceZ | well, if I set up 2 /boot and just one is the bootable one could there be problems? |
| 12:00.20 | SnarceZ | if i keep boot in sda3 /(debian) for ej |
| 12:00.20 | SnarceZ | and i have to format it |
| 12:00.20 | SnarceZ | don't i lose also grub or lilo? |
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| 12:01.08 | SnarceZ | sorry for the previous paste |
| 12:01.20 | SnarceZ | i'm quite a noob with irc |
| 12:02.41 | itai-michaelson | question- how can i set debian with a very light environment (like icewm) and have an automatic login into the GUI (no passwd no startx)? |
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| 12:07.31 | abrotman | gdm has an autologin |
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| 12:08.34 | itai-michaelson | abrotman, so i set icewm with gdm? |
| 12:09.10 | benvdh | hey, we are having a bit of a problem with one of our debian lenny systems. Someone tried to install an upgrade to mdadm-2.6.7-3 but it failed and gave an exit status 20, any idea what to do next ? |
| 12:10.06 | abrotman | you could |
| 12:10.13 | scintilla | bye |
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| 12:14.12 | itai-michaelson | another question: i'm looking at the torrents for etch (debian.org) whats the difference between debian-40r4a-i386-CD-1 and debian-40r4a-i386-CD-2? (and CD-3 and CD-4.....) |
| 12:14.53 | abrotman | do you have broadband? |
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| 12:15.21 | itai-michaelson | abrotman, yes |
| 12:15.31 | abrotman | then just use the netinst |
| 12:15.48 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 12:15.49 | dpkg | netinst is, like, a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 12:16.38 | abrotman | itai-michaelson: the netinst is the same installer, but way less initial downloading |
| 12:16.41 | itai-michaelson | abrotman, oh the computer i'm installing on has very slow connection, i would rather have the basic on Cd and just apt-get x and icewm and a few games |
| 12:17.04 | abrotman | how slow is slow? |
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| 12:17.36 | itai-michaelson | if i wanted to download a 10MG game it would take half an hour |
| 12:17.37 | abrotman | unless it's dialup, i'd still go with the netinst |
| 12:17.47 | abrotman | so it's 56k-ish ? |
| 12:18.03 | abrotman | get CD1 (or DVD1 if the target has a DVD drive) |
| 12:18.22 | itai-michaelson | well its broadband but very slow ( i live in china, things are strange here) |
| 12:18.25 | abrotman | CD1 may not have everything, but it's likely better than getting them all and wasting all the bandwidth |
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| 12:19.06 | abrotman | DVD1 would probably be ideal if you could, but i've used the netinst over a 56k modem, and it's doable, just takes awhile |
| 12:19.16 | itai-michaelson | the thing is- i have a super fast connection on this machine so i don't mind downloading a bit and then take it over to the other box and install |
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| 12:19.57 | itai-michaelson | ok - so CD1 , does it come with x? |
| 12:20.09 | abrotman | well, all those CD-1, CD-2 are different CDs with different packages |
| 12:20.14 | abrotman | CD1 shouhld have X |
| 12:20.17 | itai-michaelson | oh... |
| 12:20.18 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 12:20.18 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
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| 12:20.30 | abrotman | and yes, etch is like 20 CDs or whatever it is now |
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| 12:20.32 | abrotman | 14? |
| 12:20.52 | itai-michaelson | but cd-1 should be the basic, i assume? |
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| 12:21.34 | abrotman | yep, CD1 should have at least one WM if not a few, and many basic tools that are widely installed |
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| 12:21.43 | abrotman | CD1 may even have a good chunk of gnome |
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| 12:22.55 | itai-michaelson | abrotman, thanks, what would you recomend as a light wM? i am only familliar with icewm . i'm setting a gaming machine for children. it should boot have a few icons they can click on and play games ,thats it. |
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| 12:23.54 | meistr | anyone running debian on a Asus EEE 900/901? |
| 12:24.02 | wols | !eeepc |
| 12:24.03 | dpkg | it has been said that eee is see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net, or see http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/ See also <atl2>. |
| 12:24.04 | SpeedyG | !anyone |
| 12:24.04 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 12:24.13 | abrotman | itai-michaelson: icewm is okay, or i like blackbox .. ultimately up to the user |
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| 12:25.01 | itai-michaelson | abrotman, can i set icons in blackbox? (i know you can in windows, i used blackbox there) |
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| 12:27.11 | wols | itai-michaelson: bb4win is a bit different :) |
| 12:27.53 | itai-michaelson | wols, i guessed it is,,,, |
| 12:28.45 | abrotman | itai-michaelson: uhm .. no idea, i never tried, but i doubt it .. blackbox is pretty minimal |
| 12:29.08 | itai-michaelson | i guess i'll go with icewm |
| 12:29.14 | itai-michaelson | thank you for your help |
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| 12:31.01 | pflanze | Since a few days, when I try to ssh into any server, the ssh client hangs indefinitely in the midst of authentification (after the server key fingerprint check, but before getting the shell) . Any idea? |
| 12:31.11 | pflanze | I'm on Lenny. |
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| 12:32.10 | Masterkiller | is there a java5 sdk package in the repository? |
| 12:32.21 | abrotman | for i386? yes |
| 12:32.22 | wols | !install java |
| 12:32.22 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. <java alternatives> |
| 12:32.37 | wols | Masterkiller: non-free or contrib |
| 12:32.58 | Masterkiller | either or, i just need java 5 sdk for tomcat and opencrx :) |
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| 12:33.17 | wols | Masterkiller: just add both. one of them has it |
| 12:33.18 | Masterkiller | and am running amd64 |
| 12:33.22 | newsense | to disable a service from running at boot do i add a k +100 to the current number after the S ? |
| 12:33.24 | Masterkiller | wols, ok cool |
| 12:33.31 | abrotman | newsense: uh no |
| 12:33.44 | abrotman | thought tomcat only wanted the JRE |
| 12:33.45 | wols | newsense: remoive the S** symlink |
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| 12:34.13 | abrotman | or use update-rc.d |
| 12:34.43 | abrotman | !depends tomcat5.5 |
| 12:35.22 | dpkg | tomcat5.5: depends on java-gcj-compat-dev (>= 1.0.30-5) | java2-runtime, libtomcat5.5-java (>= 5.5.26-3), adduser (>= 3.34), libecj-java, jsvc (>= 1.0.2~svn20061127-6) |
| 12:35.55 | newsense | thanks wols and abrotman |
| 12:36.23 | newsense | default runlevel is 2 right, whats shown by runlevel ? |
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| 12:40.22 | sibov | oooo |
| 12:40.23 | sibov | http://climeria.pl/ |
| 12:40.33 | wols | newsense: what do you mean what's shown by runlevel? |
| 12:40.39 | wols | go to /etc/rc2.d/ |
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| 12:41.57 | meistr | ot: how long does it usualy take before a paypal account gets verified? |
| 12:44.45 | wols | as you said yourself. OT |
| 12:44.48 | Maulkin | About 18 months. Or 20 seconds. Take your pick. For a more accurate answer, try #debian-offtopic |
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| 12:44.59 | Maulkin | Or, in fact, more or less anywhere else. |
| 12:47.48 | meistr | do you have a #debian-* chan for everything? |
| 12:48.08 | pflanze | openssh is **fucking broken** in lenny., |
| 12:48.13 | OpenTokix | #debian-talk-about-debian-channels-channel |
| 12:48.37 | meistr | nice |
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| 12:49.51 | abrotman | pflanze: glad we could help |
| 12:50.13 | pflanze | abrotman: yes? |
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| 12:50.36 | pflanze | downgrading |
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| 12:52.12 | pflanze | abrotman: please tell me where I can discuss this. (other than on the BTS of course) |
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| 12:53.38 | abrotman | pflanze: you haven't really told us much .. you can ask here |
| 12:53.53 | pflanze | It hangs during the ssh key auth phase. |
| 12:53.58 | abrotman | "broken" doesn't help us at all .. "fucking broken" is equally as useless :) |
| 12:54.08 | abrotman | always? |
| 12:54.14 | pflanze | always and with any server |
| 12:54.24 | pflanze | Additionally, when I create a new ssh keypair, it is stored in a new file with a new file format, |
| 12:54.30 | pflanze | and ssh-add won't let me add it. |
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| 12:55.03 | pflanze | How do you apt-pin a package to a particular version? |
| 12:55.42 | abrotman | !hold |
| 12:55.42 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 12:55.51 | pflanze | I need to downgrade first, |
| 12:56.07 | pflanze | which I also don't know how -- I just know the /$release and -t $release syntax. |
| 12:56.13 | pflanze | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.46 | pflanze | Ok, "Pin: version $version\nPin-Priority: 9999" should do |
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| 12:58.01 | abrotman | pflanze: FWIW .. i just ssh'ed into a lenny box without issue |
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| 12:58.06 | abrotman | (but not using keys) |
| 12:58.14 | pflanze | w/o keys it works. |
| 12:58.19 | pflanze | but that's not feasible for me-. |
| 12:58.25 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 12:59.04 | pflanze | This doesn't work: Package: openssh-client\nPin: version 1:4.7p1-13\nPin-Priority: 9999 |
| 12:59.20 | pflanze | Maybe the package isn't available anymore? ("Package openssh-server is not available, but is referred to by another package.") |
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| 12:59.34 | pflanze | ("Package openssh-client is not available, but is referred to by another package.") |
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| 13:00.43 | abrotman | are you pinning the server or the client? |
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| 13:01.36 | pflanze | both |
| 13:02.00 | pflanze | two sections, one with "Package: openssh-server" instead |
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| 13:03.49 | pflanze | actually http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openssh/?C=M;O=A does not have the -13 version |
| 13:03.59 | pflanze | only -12 |
| 13:04.06 | pflanze | I took the -13 from the changelog |
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| 13:04.38 | pflanze | although "Pin: version 1:4.7p1-12" won't work either. |
| 13:04.50 | mirrorcolor | hi, i am having problems recording from my inspiron 6400 mic, any idea? |
| 13:05.00 | pflanze | How does one install a particular version with apt directly? |
| 13:05.23 | abrotman | the man pages for apt-get/aptitude cover that |
| 13:06.04 | pflanze | apt-get install openssh-client=1:4.7p1-12 => E: Version '1:4.7p1-12' for 'openssh-client' was not found |
| 13:06.18 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 13:06.18 | dpkg | hmm... snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 13:06.24 | pflanze | sigh. so I'm going to build my own ssh. |
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| 13:07.14 | jelly | pflanze: yay! |
| 13:07.20 | pflanze | yes |
| 13:07.59 | jelly | pflanze: does apt-cache policy even report that exact version as available? |
| 13:08.16 | pflanze | Thanks, going to check |
| 13:08.32 | abrotman | why would it be? lenny has 1:5.x |
| 13:08.43 | jelly | sdn? |
| 13:08.44 | pflanze | "apt-cache policy openssh-client" only shows "*** 1:5.1p1-2 9999" |
| 13:09.14 | abrotman | i said that .. then he said he was going to build his own |
| 13:09.22 | pflanze | I guess I'll never going to understand apt. |
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| 13:09.43 | pflanze | Yes, I guess I'm going to fetch the etch package and rebuild for lenny |
| 13:09.51 | jelly | pflanze: well, there's no reason to expect it to install =1:4.7p1-12 from thin air |
| 13:10.00 | pflanze | ok |
| 13:10.01 | pflanze | ? |
| 13:10.21 | pflanze | How do you get access to that version? |
| 13:10.25 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 13:10.26 | jelly | pflanze: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 13:10.26 | dpkg | i guess snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 13:10.51 | abrotman | would rather pflanze file a bug and work with the maintainer to fix it .. but i guess that won't happen |
| 13:11.08 | jelly | heh, I have exactly 1:4.7p1-12 installed |
| 13:11.11 | pflanze | abrotman: I've just spent 2 days reporting about the Gnome/libxml2 issue |
| 13:11.16 | pflanze | I have to work now. |
| 13:11.32 | flami | Hi, Im trying out grub2 , and I want to add a kernel option everytime update-grub is called, I think GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT would be the right variable, but i cant find the file where it is declared. ( only found GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/defauöt/grub) |
| 13:11.40 | pflanze | Sarcasm much appreciated, I'm in the mood. |
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| 13:12.06 | lrp | hello everyone |
| 13:12.06 | abrotman | that wasn't sarcasm |
| 13:12.56 | lrp | i have a debian server with mx entrys , i need a big hand in this if some 1 may take a look to my config and tell me what is wrong ? i ll apreciate that |
| 13:13.03 | lrp | http://pastebin.ca/1184209 |
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| 13:16.40 | flami | lrp: I think beeing specific about what actually doesnt work would be great . |
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| 13:19.18 | jelly | lrp: have you set up postfix to accept mail for edel@domain.cu? |
| 13:20.15 | jelly | lrp: I _guess_ you don't have "domain.cu" in your mydestination |
| 13:20.19 | lrp | [jelly] the account edel@domain.cu does not exist in the mail server , because that dns server is an smtp server who receibe mail from internet to my internal network subdomains |
| 13:21.08 | jelly | lrp: sorry, what "dns server"? |
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| 13:22.08 | pflanze | rebuilt openssh_4.7p1{,-12}* from http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openssh/?C=M;O=A/ and is back in business |
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| 13:22.37 | pflanze | Be aware that it requires you to kill the newer ssh-agent. |
| 13:22.55 | pflanze | is going to re-login the desktop session for this reason now |
| 13:23.39 | lrp | [jelly] did you saw my config ? i ll apreciate if you give me an advice or what i have wrong in my dns server |
| 13:23.42 | flami | lpr: this doesnt look like a dns error . I think you are missing the alias table, or whatever you want to use to relay your mail. |
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| 13:25.22 | sofiane | http://www.10tv.com/live/content/nationalnews/stories/2008/08/22/ninja.html?sid=102 |
| 13:25.25 | lrp | [flami] yes it looks like , but where in that config , i all ready tryed all and the trouble persist thats why i pasted my dns config |
| 13:25.31 | abrotman | sofiane: wrong channel |
| 13:25.38 | sofiane | oops sorry |
| 13:25.46 | sofiane | abrotman, wrong past |
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| 13:25.55 | abrotman | or that |
| 13:25.58 | jelly | lrp: have you looked at postfix FAQ? Googled for "Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table"? |
| 13:26.53 | jelly | lrp: #postfix will be a more suitable channel for your problem, I thkn] |
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| 13:27.10 | flami | lpr well dns errors are normally stuff like connection refused ( wrong ip -> no mail server running on that box etc ), if you really wanna know try "dig mx domain.cu" . if the mx record is right , your mailserver is configured wrong |
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| 13:27.24 | flami | and then do what jelly told you ^^ |
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| 13:33.13 | flami | hum is GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT not beeing declared in any of grub2s config files worthy of a bug report ? |
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| 13:42.31 | doudou | Hi, what is channel for free projects? is there a project to make something like google ? |
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| 13:44.21 | abrotman | you mean you want to make a search engine? |
| 13:44.28 | abrotman | or just install one? |
| 13:44.57 | doudou | a free search engine? is there one? |
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| 13:45.25 | zxxd | er |
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| 13:45.51 | zxxd | how do i add mp3 to /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache |
| 13:45.52 | doudou | because i discover that google reads our emails, i saw that the link proposed depends of the text of my emails!! gmail |
| 13:46.48 | abrotman | !info htdig etch |
| 13:47.06 | flami | doudou: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_search_engines#Open_source_search_engines ^^ |
| 13:47.10 | dpkg | htdig: (WWW search system for an intranet or small internet), section web, is optional. Version: 1:3.2.0b6-3.1etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 1806 kB, Installed size: 6332 kB |
| 13:47.13 | zxxd | dpkg> You are moron #4 |
| 13:47.13 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 13:51.14 | doudou | flami, not a motor, a project to make one working |
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| 13:52.49 | monobug | anyone experienced to lose their /dev/dsp ? |
| 13:52.51 | jpinx | Anyone ideas on why my 32Gb USB stick works perfectly in windows but not in Deb. It mounts ro unless I do -o remount,rw,force, but the file written are corrupt. |
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| 13:53.17 | jpinx | it writes perfectly well in windows |
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| 13:53.44 | wols | jpinx: what filesystem? |
| 13:53.50 | jpinx | wols: vfat |
| 13:54.06 | jpinx | other USB sticks behave ok in Deb. |
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| 13:54.27 | wols | fsck the drive? maybe use a 2.6.24 or later kernel |
| 13:54.32 | wols | tho that shouldn't matter |
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| 13:54.44 | jpinx | wols: I reformatted in Wondowz |
| 13:55.37 | jpinx | I have some poor experience of fsck'ing vfat in linux |
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| 13:59.09 | zxxd | update-menus is a debian thing? |
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| 13:59.34 | wols | !menu |
| 13:59.34 | dpkg | menu is, like, the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
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| 14:09.03 | Lagbolt | any asus aspire one users in here? planning on installing debian on one this afternoon. just curious if anyone has experienced it. i see various troubles listed online. |
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| 14:11.55 | jpinx | Lagbolt: I've installed Deb on various laptops - not asus specifically, but they all had problems which were relatively east to solve after installation. I suggest you "just do it" and then come back with the specific problems (if any). Are you doing a dual boot? |
| 14:13.10 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 14:13.11 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <laptop mode>. |
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| 14:13.46 | AvK | hi |
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| 14:15.12 | zxxd | does anyone know of a light weight mp3 player other than alsaplayer? |
| 14:15.35 | acemi | mpg123 |
| 14:16.11 | AvK | i have xfce and i just dont know why my kadu IM doesnt work with my grafic inteface like other programs do |
| 14:16.42 | AvK | kadu is a kde program but i have installed kde engines |
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| 14:16.49 | AvK | other programs work good |
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| 14:17.03 | AvK | kde programs* |
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| 14:17.10 | deus___ | zxxd, xmms :p |
| 14:18.10 | zxxd | brb |
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| 14:18.44 | litage | is it normal for a hosting company to disallow ssh access from ip addresses other than those provided to them by you? |
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| 14:19.12 | wols | many hosting providers don't allow any ssh acess. but: how is this debian related? |
| 14:19.28 | tralala | There's probably nothing normal about hosting services - they are all different |
| 14:19.57 | litage | wols: it's OT |
| 14:20.18 | Lagbolt | jpinx, it is going to be just debian. i think it will be ok. just wanted to hear what people had to say. some ubuntu forums abot what they got working so i figure should be able to get debian working at least the same way no trouble |
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| 14:23.20 | spx2 | what is ggtick ? |
| 14:23.57 | jelly | a tick that goes g...g...g...? |
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| 14:29.03 | jpinx | Lagbolt: I installed Ubuntu on a couple of laptops thinking it'd be easier for non-tech users, but it gave me more heartache than Deb so I changed back. ;) Also support for Deb is great - but for Ubuntu is patchy. ;) |
| 14:29.52 | Lagbolt | jpinx, dont have to tell me twice. i love debian. :) i just couldnt find many sites on the aspire one functionality in debian |
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| 14:30.27 | zxxd | hi |
| 14:30.32 | Lagbolt | hi |
| 14:30.34 | zxxd | is there a reason why there is no .desktop file for the package alsaplayer-gtk |
| 14:30.47 | zxxd | in /usr/share/applications |
| 14:31.01 | wols | compatibility is never really distro specific. if one supports X, all do, with enough coaxing |
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| 14:37.41 | roe_ | how do I control the file/folder creation mask? I have a few computers with a mounted nfs share now because their UIDs are different and not really predictable, I want any file or folder created below a certain folder to have 777 permissions |
| 14:38.00 | roe_ | I've been playing with the stickybit but that doesn't seem to work |
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| 14:44.57 | cedric3 | hi i have a file /etc/timezone i don't know the package i try dpkg -S the file but nothink |
| 14:45.04 | cedric3 | if you have any idea thanks |
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| 14:46.48 | cedric3 | nobody have any idea? |
| 14:47.35 | abrotman | cedric3: grep etc/timezone /var/lib/dpkg/info/* |
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| 14:47.35 | abrotman | or just grep timezone |
| 14:48.54 | cedric3 | abrotman : nothink |
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| 14:52.47 | cedric3 | abrotman : i search the package of timezone |
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| 15:03.24 | somedude | is there an ebay auction sniper for debian |
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| 15:15.02 | rmrfchik | is there any lucky with asus p5k? |
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| 15:15.51 | hjb | Hi. I've got a question regarding exim4: |
| 15:16.02 | wols | rmrfchik: your question makes no sense as you posed it |
| 15:16.06 | wols | none at all |
| 15:16.08 | hjb | i've configured a host in my network as a mail server for my domain |
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| 15:16.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is pidgin 1.5 being packaged for debian yet? |
| 15:16.31 | rmrfchik | wols: duh |
| 15:16.36 | hjb | it has a local hostname but no own fqdn |
| 15:16.45 | rmrfchik | i need /proc/asound/card/codec#0 |
| 15:16.48 | rmrfchik | card0 |
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| 15:17.09 | hjb | so i set the mailname of the system to the fqdn of the internet gateway machine |
| 15:17.25 | hjb | but exim4 seems to ignore that setting |
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| 15:17.50 | hjb | when connecting to it, it answers with the local hostname instead of the mailname |
| 15:18.06 | hjb | and it also uses it to calculate ID strings |
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| 15:19.49 | sneex | Can someone possibly help me with this: http://sneex.pastebin.ca/1184313 |
| 15:19.55 | hjb | How can i it use the fqdn of the nat-gateway as mailname? |
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| 15:26.46 | hjb | Anyone here who understood my question? |
| 15:27.00 | braunkraut | hey there |
| 15:27.28 | Nyle | *cough cough cough* |
| 15:27.37 | cloakable | hjb: set the fqdn of the gateway in your mailserver conf file? |
| 15:27.37 | Nyle | damit, whats up good morning #debian people of the world |
| 15:27.56 | dbmoodb | Nyle: the sky |
| 15:28.04 | dbmoodb | i hope |
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| 15:28.14 | Nyle | maybe its down and we think its up... |
| 15:28.26 | hjb | cloakable I thought about that. But wondered where /etc/mailname is good for |
| 15:28.28 | Nyle | !mono |
| 15:28.28 | dpkg | mono is, like, a community initiative to develop an open source, Cross platform version of the Microsoft.NET development platform. http://www.go-mono.com/ or the kissing disease, mononucleosis |
| 15:28.37 | hjb | cloakable Shouldn't that get used by exim4? |
| 15:28.38 | dbmoodb | Nyle: no i'm really sure its not one way or another. |
| 15:29.09 | dbmoodb | meh anyone know if there is some good documentation on using ksplit on debian lenny / linux |
| 15:29.22 | Nyle | dbmoodb, dependin on the position of the Earth, we say north pole is up, south pole is down, but what if we're screwed up and the universe is correct? what if its the other way aro |
| 15:29.26 | Nyle | ... |
| 15:29.27 | Nyle | nm, its stupid. |
| 15:29.43 | dbmoodb | Nyle: i am aware of that. --- know anything about using ksplice tho |
| 15:29.49 | Nyle | no clue |
| 15:29.53 | Nyle | kde progra,? |
| 15:29.56 | Nyle | ask #kde |
| 15:30.01 | Nyle | or #debian-kde |
| 15:30.17 | dbmoodb | wtf ? postfix got an update. nar dude its about patching the kernel without rebooting |
| 15:30.25 | Nyle | oh |
| 15:30.27 | Nyle | :D |
| 15:30.32 | Nyle | I'm a noob! |
| 15:31.07 | dbmoodb | oh ... crap. brb |
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| 15:32.15 | bumbl | is this the right place to ask for support concerning http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
| 15:32.58 | cloakable | hjb: no idea. I use postfix and dovecot :) |
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| 15:33.13 | bumbl | I get the error which is described in the Faq but the faq does not provide an answer |
| 15:33.27 | hjb | cloakable i use dovecot too :-) |
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| 15:34.11 | hjb | cloakable the system exim4 + dovecot works well, but i feel that this fqdn issue should get fixed |
| 15:34.39 | hjb | cloakable i don't like my internal hostname to be contained in message ids and server welcome |
| 15:34.55 | cloakable | hjb: sorry, i have no experience with exim4 :P |
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| 15:35.15 | cloakable | hjb: it's easy enough to set in postfix |
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| 15:35.55 | cloakable | myhostname = <fqdn> |
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| 15:37.24 | hjb | cloakable it's the same easy thing in exim4: primary_hostname=<fqdn> ;-) |
| 15:37.40 | Alagar_ | anybody guide me iam using debian. The Apache Tomcat Connector - Webserver HowTo |
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| 15:38.05 | hjb | cloakable but i wonder, why after telling it's debconf frontend to use fqdn as mailname, it still doesn't use it for it's primary_hostname option |
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| 15:38.56 | hjb | cloakable oh, i see there's a debian-specific exim4 mailling list |
| 15:39.05 | hjb | cloakable i'll go and ask there :-) |
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| 15:51.54 | Tulimaq | hi i installed lenny and when I rebooted into my system eth0 just vanished, it worked just fine from installer cd |
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| 15:56.37 | svc485e81 | hi |
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| 15:56.58 | svc485e81 | how can is see how much resourece is a process using? |
| 15:57.06 | svc485e81 | CPU,RAM etc .. |
| 15:57.33 | hoxu | svc485e81, try "ps aux --sort rss" for example, man ps |
| 15:57.35 | epsilon | ps aux |
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| 15:58.01 | epsilon | or top for monitoring |
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| 16:00.56 | sneex | I'm seeking a backward GLIBC 2.2 & 2.3 so I can execute Oracle Apache on Debian 4, for details please see: http://sneex.pastebin.ca/1184313 |
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| 16:02.42 | Corwin | svc485e81: htop is your best bet |
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| 16:06.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is Pidgin 2.5 being packaged for debian? |
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| 16:09.14 | Laeborg | hi |
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| 16:10.23 | Laeborg | i have a dual boot with windows xp and debian usign GRUB boot loader. Can I then install BackTrack on a free partition and update GRUB for having a tribel boot ? |
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| 16:12.12 | jpinx | Laeborg: as long as BackTrack doesn't mess the partition tables - yes |
| 16:12.55 | Laeborg | well i have windows placed on c:\, debian on d:\ and i have a 20gb free partition |
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| 16:15.09 | jpinx | Laeborg: do fdisk -l and see your partitions |
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| 16:17.06 | cbk486 | Hello, I want to try debian as a desktop system since I have been bored with using ubuntu for a couple months. Which network install disc should I choose? Stable or Testing? |
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| 16:18.40 | avu | cbk486, if you know your way around the system and are willing to deal with the occasional bug, testing is prefered on the desktop |
| 16:18.50 | Acceos | cbk486 Do you want a posibly unstable system or a well testd one? |
| 16:19.04 | avu | cbk486, since you used ubuntu, bugs should be something you're used to, so testing should be fine I guess |
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| 16:19.49 | cbk486 | Possibly unstable? |
| 16:19.59 | Acceos | As in buggy system |
| 16:20.30 | cbk486 | I guess testing then |
| 16:20.52 | cbk486 | I can deal with tracking down bugs and fixes on google |
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| 16:21.13 | avu | cbk486, be sure to check http://bugs.debian.org/packagename whenever you're having problems |
| 16:21.39 | cbk486 | Thank you |
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| 16:23.33 | dcestari | hello all, I need to nat some machines throug my firewall, but I need to nat only thoes connections on network 10.0.0.0, not network 192.168.0.0, can I filter this with ip tables? |
| 16:23.56 | mcgreg | I am using ndiswrapper for my wlan on my laptop.. it works fine *but* when I put it top sleep (standby/s2ram) the wlan seems to be dead (the drivers says "all ok") but I cannot ping anything. anything I can do about it? |
| 16:24.14 | dcestari | I was thinking on using something like this iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING s eth1 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 16:26.17 | kantor | hi, I've downloaded a flac music album. The problem is that all the tracks are in a big flac file and you need the cue file (which is also there) to write that to a CD. My question is: is there a program that strips the tracks from that big flac file based on the cue file ? |
| 16:26.18 | scintilla | bye |
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| 16:27.08 | ArthurArchnix | Nice of you to post that question in both Debian and Ubuntu. Shall I tell you I don't know here, or there? |
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| 16:28.00 | fsckedagain | anyone here feel like answering an openvpn question? |
| 16:28.14 | joltcan | fsckedagain: sure |
| 16:28.14 | jelly | !ask |
| 16:28.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 16:28.55 | jelly | ArthurArchnix: ask which distro is used, I guess! |
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| 16:29.23 | fsckedagain | Well, I am trying to figure out how to get the address a client is assigned stored in the openvpn-status.log. Right now I just get MAC, source IP, etc. |
| 16:29.24 | ArthurArchnix | Aren't they the same thing? I thought the Ubuntu channel was for debian users under 30? |
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| 16:30.25 | blubberdiblub | i'm under 30, and i never touched ubuntu ;P |
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| 16:30.39 | ArthurArchnix | Are you sure you meant Ubuntu, and not... a woman? |
| 16:31.09 | ArthurArchnix | Sorry... family guy reference bubbling to the surface |
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| 16:32.07 | ArthurArchnix | Anyway.. kantor that flac cue sounds like piratebay nonsense to me. Considering how much they like to liberate software they sure do like to share it in proprietary formats that are only readable / writable by one program. |
| 16:32.18 | joltcan | fsckedagain: That is truly a good question. You can't extract it from the other log either? |
| 16:33.03 | fsckedagain | joltcan: no, I haven't figured it out. I think it is some variable that I can pull. But I haven't figured out how to get to it yet. :) |
| 16:33.07 | ArthurArchnix | or is that .daa I'm thinking of? |
| 16:33.10 | joltcan | fsckedagain: I have it under ROUTING TABLE in my status log |
| 16:33.27 | joltcan | fsckedagain: but that is on a sid machine, so it might be a newer version |
| 16:33.52 | kantor | ArthurArchnix, no that was not downloaded from some kind of a torrent, and the flac is not proprietary |
| 16:34.07 | kantor | flac= Free Lossless Audio Codec |
| 16:34.09 | fsckedagain | yeah, I think it has a lot to do with what distro and the defaults the packages are set to. |
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| 16:34.32 | joltcan | fsckedagain: I have it in an old installation as well, so go find it under routing table |
| 16:34.33 | fsckedagain | joltcan: I am running etch, and the default for the package appears to not be the same. |
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| 16:34.53 | joltcan | fsckedagain: but that might only be if you actually add routes to them I guess |
| 16:35.08 | joltcan | fsckedagain: Never seen anything about changing that either |
| 16:35.14 | ArthurArchnix | kantor: ok... well, I'm just here for the lulz, and didn't think too hard or seriously about it when I saw the cross post appearing within one second of each other. |
| 16:35.30 | fsckedagain | joltcan: under routing table I have Virtual Address (points to the MAC address) and Common name, real address (source address) and last ref |
| 16:36.30 | fsckedagain | joltcan: that's what I want to figure out. How to get the virtual address to really show the virtual address. :) |
| 16:36.33 | joltcan | fsckedagain: My virtual points to the correct IP, so that sounds weird. Or are you running with tap devices? |
| 16:36.42 | fsckedagain | joltcan: maybe I can try to push a route and see what happens. |
| 16:36.48 | fsckedagain | joltcan: tap |
| 16:36.48 | ArthurArchnix | Have you tried mounting the cue file then opening it in sound juicer? Maybe bchunk will help you? |
| 16:36.55 | kantor | ArthurArchnix, ok, no problem, I just really want to resolve that issue without to use wlindowz programs. (plus those melodies are very precious to me) |
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| 16:37.23 | Ale1 | hey men... |
| 16:37.23 | ArthurArchnix | kantor: No no... I'm trying to help now, by way of apology |
| 16:37.33 | joltcan | fsckedagain: Thats why then. Tap devices works like a "real" network so that you can talk directly to the endpoint, hence the mac address instad of the IP |
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| 16:37.44 | ArthurArchnix | bchunk apparently converts bin to iso |
| 16:37.48 | joltcan | fsckedagain: ...and not only over TCP / IP |
| 16:37.52 | ArthurArchnix | allowing you to mount / rip |
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| 16:37.59 | Ale1 | does any of you guys know any firewall web application to recommend? |
| 16:38.00 | kantor | ArthurArchnix, I found a method how to do it, using cdemu and mounting the cue file |
| 16:38.00 | fsckedagain | joltcan: hmm, maybe I should change it then. |
| 16:38.15 | jelly | kantor: convert flac to wav; fix the cue file to use wav; burn with cdrdao |
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| 16:38.39 | Maliuta | flac+cue is possible |
| 16:38.39 | fsckedagain | joltcan: I can't think of a reason why I need tap devices other than that's what we are currently using for some windows boxes. but this one is for linux boxen, so maybe I will change it. |
| 16:38.43 | fsckedagain | joltcan: thanks! |
| 16:38.51 | Maliuta | there are tools out there, google is your friend |
| 16:38.56 | joltcan | fsckedagain: If you don't need tap for some broadcast reason like netbui or something crazy like that |
| 16:39.24 | jelly | fsckedagain: tun/tap are very useful for vpn and virtualization |
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| 16:39.31 | cast | evening |
| 16:39.44 | fsckedagain | joltcan: nope, only because they are windows boxen on the other ones. Windows can't use tun devices, though, right? |
| 16:39.53 | fsckedagain | jelly: indeed. :) |
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| 16:40.45 | jelly | fsckedagain: virtualbox for windows comes with an implementation of tun/tap |
| 16:41.05 | joltcan | fsckedagain: No, that is not a problem, tun works good on windows as well |
| 16:41.11 | jelly | I think they stol^Wused a free one |
| 16:41.13 | fsckedagain | jelly: hmmm, the wheels are turning now. |
| 16:41.19 | fsckedagain | jelly: LOL |
| 16:41.23 | joltcan | fsckedagain: There is a nice gui for windows clients also if you haven't found it at openvpn.se |
| 16:41.25 | fsckedagain | joltcan: ok, I am gonna try it out |
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| 16:42.23 | fsckedagain | joltcan: ok, thanks guys, off to try a few things. |
| 16:42.32 | fsckedagain | jelly: thanks to you, too! :) |
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| 16:44.38 | Think-Free | HI ! I'm using pulseaudio and I wonder if it's possible to make virtual output with selected interfaces, i mean i have 3 interfaces and i want to make for example one virtual containing first and second and a second virtual containing second and third ... |
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| 16:44.39 | BlueBeret | hi |
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| 16:45.14 | conbart | \l |
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| 16:45.35 | BlueBeret | we had a Debian system set up as a small testing server on an old piece of hardware, yesterday we moved the disk into a different machine and now the system freezes randomly. suggestions? |
| 16:46.01 | Ale1 | Maliuta: I know there are tools out there however always there is a best one... |
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| 16:46.17 | Ale1 | that's why I asked you guys |
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| 16:47.02 | Ale1 | but as I can see you guys are not so willing |
| 16:48.36 | Nyle | what? |
| 16:48.55 | Nyle | you want WHAT! |
| 16:49.13 | Nyle | go buy a router. |
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| 16:49.45 | Maliuta | Ale1: not everyone is into hand holding |
| 16:50.43 | lindenle | If i want to install kde4 from experimental I use the -t switch but it says it cannot install b/c of dependencies even though those packages are available in experimental. How do i tell apt-get to resolve those using experimental? |
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| 16:52.09 | EmleyMoor | Is there a Debian way to install pear modules? |
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| 16:52.48 | pump|dR | EmilyMoor: No, Pear modules may only be installed by Apple. |
| 16:52.58 | ak | Hey, I asked this in #debian-python but got no answer so please let me ask this here instead. |
| 16:52.59 | ak | 'd like to know how debian python team build a python package. |
| 16:53.08 | EmleyMoor | pump|dR: Really, old fruit? |
| 16:53.15 | ak | configure options, files to drop, etc. |
| 16:53.36 | ArthurArchnix | lol |
| 16:53.40 | ak | From dpkg -L output, I found debian-python dropped most of test scripts where did they go/ |
| 16:53.43 | ArthurArchnix | @ pump|dR |
| 16:53.56 | ak | it seems no test scripts in python or python-dev |
| 16:53.57 | ArthurArchnix | that should go on that site, with bash quotes... I forget the name |
| 16:54.08 | EmleyMoor | Seriously, though, I need the pear module mdb2 - how do I get it on Debian? |
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| 16:54.18 | ak | And why debian-python package contains a lot of symlinks for libpython? |
| 16:54.30 | ArthurArchnix | Oh is there really something called a "pear module"... that makes it less funny. |
| 16:54.36 | ak | there is libpython2.5.so, which points to libpython2.5.so.1, whicn in turn points to libpython2.5.so.1.0 |
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| 16:54.50 | ak | and some are in python2.5 package, others in python2.5-dev package... |
| 16:54.57 | pump|dR | (EmleyMoor): If the modules already exist in a debian package, they can be easily installed with "apt-get install <package-name>" |
| 16:55.34 | EmleyMoor | pump|dR: OK, how do I find whether they do, and what do I do if not? |
| 16:55.42 | ak | Any pointers? |
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| 16:57.42 | ak | Is there anyone using python on debian here? |
| 16:57.55 | ak | no one maybe? |
| 16:57.59 | avu | sure |
| 16:57.59 | ArthurArchnix | sorry pump|dR Bash.org is down |
| 16:58.04 | avu | just ask your question ak |
| 16:58.05 | ArthurArchnix | You will not live on in infamy |
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| 16:58.34 | ak | avu: I already ask my questions. please take a look above |
| 16:59.06 | avu | ak, just download the source package and look how it's built |
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| 17:00.08 | pump|dR | EmleytMoor: You can search debian packages at packages.debian.org. If no package contains the module yo uwant, perhaps you could searhc Google's indices for <module-name> debian |
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| 17:00.29 | avu | ak, you can see the binary packages produced by the source package in debian/control and the actual code to build it is in debian/rules (which may in turn include/use other files) |
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| 17:01.58 | ak | avu: That's nice. Thank you very much for your help. I will look into it |
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| 17:04.33 | wald0 | is lenny frozen yet ? |
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| 17:05.01 | cast | i could google and find the answer |
| 17:05.38 | ArthurArchnix | My Lenny freezes about once a week... |
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| 17:06.06 | moshii | wald0: yes |
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| 17:06.20 | EmleyMoor | The file I want is in php-auth but horde doesn't like where it is |
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| 17:06.40 | wald0 | moshii: so i still can report an important bug of bash ? or it would not enter in lenny ? |
| 17:07.05 | pickcoder | RC bugs will be accepted until there are no more RC bugs |
| 17:07.05 | ArthurArchnix | Seriously... random lockups and an irrecoverable crash of the xserver. It's really odd. Not a single person has seconded my bug report or been able to duplicate it. However, I'm now using epiphany and have not had a crash.... |
| 17:07.07 | moshii | wald0: the freeze doesn't mean bugs wont get fixed.. |
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| 17:07.28 | ArthurArchnix | I noticed that every single crash occured while iceweasel was running |
| 17:07.42 | pickcoder | non-RC bugs may get benched until the RCs are cleared |
| 17:07.42 | moshii | wald0: infact, if there are outstanding bugs a release won't happen ;) |
| 17:07.57 | et | that depends on the bug, of course |
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| 17:08.04 | wald0 | moshii: ok so ill finish to verify it and report it :), one last question, i would like to know an aproximate timeline (or progress) about the stabilization, there's any ? |
| 17:08.26 | moshii | wald0: subscribe to the debian news and dev lists |
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| 17:08.32 | pickcoder | the cycle is supposed to be 18 months |
| 17:08.38 | pickcoder | from Lenny forward |
| 17:08.41 | pickcoder | unless it changed since Etch |
| 17:08.50 | pickcoder | I haven't kept up much |
| 17:09.21 | avu | pickcoder, the more important factor is still WIR though |
| 17:09.31 | pickcoder | (of course, no cycle is exact) |
| 17:09.32 | wald0 | moshii: im subscribed to a few lists but i don't have time to check them :( there's not any website or something that shows the actual progress ? |
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| 17:09.37 | pickcoder | avu: right |
| 17:09.43 | wald0 | i have readed somewhere that is planned for september, is that true ? |
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| 17:10.08 | pickcoder | wald0: it depdends on the RC bugs |
| 17:10.16 | avu | wald0, well, that's what the RMs would like to see, yes. the actual release will happen when it's ready though |
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| 17:10.59 | moshii | security support is already up and running.. should be soon :) |
| 17:11.14 | wald0 | well, sounds good, thx :) |
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| 17:13.17 | Nyle | pickcoder, hi |
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| 17:14.08 | pickcoder | hey Nyle |
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| 17:15.50 | Nyle | pick is a database language? |
| 17:15.52 | Nyle | !pick |
| 17:16.02 | manu_hack | I have an .iso file which is for BIOS update, is it possible to expand the .iso file to an USB and boot from USB instead of burning a CD? |
| 17:16.10 | pickcoder | it is a VME |
| 17:16.15 | pickcoder | that includes many things |
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| 17:16.24 | pickcoder | including a hashed DB |
| 17:16.26 | Nyle | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pick_operating_system |
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| 17:16.36 | pickcoder | it used to be an O/S, yes |
| 17:16.38 | Nyle | The Pick database is a 'hash-file' data management system |
| 17:16.50 | Nyle | are pick coders in demand? |
| 17:16.54 | Nyle | why do you do pick? |
| 17:16.59 | pickcoder | Nyle: ##pick |
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| 17:23.47 | heroxbd | manu_hack: It's a little OT. But I think I can use grub4dos to emulate the iso. |
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| 17:23.58 | ak | avu: I looked at python source package but couldn't find configure options |
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| 17:26.28 | mcgreg | anyone has an idea whats wrong here? -> http://rafb.net/p/TF9B6H20.html |
| 17:26.32 | avu | ak, well, it's there. in debian/rules |
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| 17:27.02 | avu | ak, (beware that if you do 'apt-get source python', you don't get the python source but the source for the python default package, you have to apt-get source python2.X) |
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| 17:28.18 | EmleyMoor | wonders if it might be quicker to purge and reinstall horde |
| 17:28.21 | Flakk | Hello people I have a problem with dual boot. I had debian+XP on my desktop. Then I re installed XP but now apparently I have lost the grub program, since rebooting is only possible with XP. What should I do to restore the debian boot option? - thanks! |
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| 17:29.06 | manu_hack | thx heroxbd |
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| 17:29.28 | jpinx | Flakk: First rule of installing dual-boot is to install the windows first 'cos it takes over the boot sequence. |
| 17:29.47 | Flakk | jpinx - that is what I did! |
| 17:29.50 | heroxbd | Flakk: reinstall grub then. |
| 17:30.15 | jpinx | Flakk: use a ext3 filesystem reader in XP and find your boot sequence |
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| 17:30.56 | enouf | Flakk: /msg dpkg rescue mode |
| 17:30.57 | cahoot | Flakk: use a rescue cd |
| 17:31.25 | heroxbd | Flakk: or use your debian installation cd or some other LiveCD to reinstall grub. Or use grub4dos. |
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| 17:32.19 | anddam_ | hi |
| 17:32.23 | Flakk | heroxbd I have the debian etch installation dvd 1st disk, i tried it, but it suggests only to install debain again, I do not want to do this, since my old system is presumably there and intact |
| 17:33.15 | anddam_ | lately I tried to get nvidia-kernel module on lenny, I wasn't able to and someone here tried to help but we weren't succesful |
| 17:33.23 | enouf | everyone using grub, with a working system, should make and have a grub CD, it's easy to make - http://orgs.man.ac.uk/documentation/grub/grub_3.html#SEC11 |
| 17:33.24 | anddam_ | is anyone ready for a 2nd round? |
| 17:33.30 | heroxbd | enouf: does "/msg dpkg rescue mode" tells Flakk about rescue mode? It does not work for me. |
| 17:33.44 | enouf | !rescue mode |
| 17:33.44 | dpkg | Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 17:33.45 | anddam_ | I have this nvidia MX-200 or so and I'd need nvidia-kernel-legacy |
| 17:34.08 | enouf | heroxbd: are you registered and identified to services? |
| 17:34.20 | Flakk | heroxbd it says smth but I not sure I can make my way through |
| 17:34.58 | enouf | heroxbd: also, check other windows in your irc client ;-) |
| 17:35.04 | heroxbd | Flakk: Just follow what "dpkg" have said. You can. |
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| 17:35.29 | enouf | !tell Flakk -about ig |
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| 17:35.51 | anddam | exit |
| 17:35.54 | anddam | lol |
| 17:36.03 | anddam | tought I was in urxvt |
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| 17:37.01 | heroxbd | anddam: Are addam_ and addam from a same person? |
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| 17:38.20 | pozic | I did wget -r -l 3 <url>, but only <url> is downloaded, while it contains more than zero links. Why does it do that and how can I get the desired behaviour which is to recurisively download until (or including) depth 3? |
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| 17:38.49 | Laeborg|Lap | hello |
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| 17:40.55 | heroxbd | pozic: It seems that you need -p. Please refer to the wget man page. |
| 17:42.35 | ak | avu: found a patch of configure, but not configure option invoked |
| 17:43.11 | avu | ak, well, you're doing it wrong then. I just checked for myself and it's there. |
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| 17:43.56 | pozic | heroxbd: do you mean -P? |
| 17:44.21 | avu | ak, (search for common_configure_args for starters. and be sure to read the lines below too) |
| 17:44.41 | pozic | heroxbd: -p is mentioned, but I cannot find the documentation. |
| 17:44.59 | rdz | how to 'dmesg | tail -f' correctly? |
| 17:45.14 | EmleyMoor | I have php5-mysql installed but when I try to install (using pear install MDB2#mysql) support there, it tells me I don't have mysql support in php |
| 17:45.22 | EmleyMoor | Why would this happen? |
| 17:47.06 | ak | oh, found finally, avu |
| 17:47.18 | EmleyMoor | Should I blow my horde framework away and start again with it? If so, is there a good way to preserve and restore the data? |
| 17:47.20 | Laeborg|Lap | is there any good .ico to .png converters? |
| 17:47.57 | anddam | have to go |
| 17:48.02 | ak | python on debian compiled with ucs4... |
| 17:48.29 | heroxbd | EmleyMoor: Are you manually installing pear? |
| 17:48.29 | EmleyMoor | Is there some alternative to mysql that would work better for horde on a Debian system |
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| 17:49.05 | EmleyMoor | heroxbd: No. I manually installed a pear class because the only sign of the relevant file in Debian didn't work when installed as it was in the wrong place |
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| 17:49.37 | Deepa | I did install suphp and suexec, yet neither one of them seems to work, they're in apache's mods-enabled but php is still executed by root |
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| 17:50.23 | heroxbd | EmleyMoor: I can see a "horde3" package in Sid. Is that what you want? |
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| 17:50.53 | EmleyMoor | I have the horde3 package from lenny. However, it goes wrong as soon as I enable turba |
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| 17:51.32 | EmleyMoor | (imp, sam and gollem work, at least - but not turba, kronolith or mnemo - and nag even breaks the login page) |
| 17:51.36 | MrWax | lets say, I have portfolio.domain.com, should I always put this host in /etc/hosts ? |
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| 17:52.05 | heroxbd | EmleyMoor: There is also a "turba2" in Sid. Have you tried it? |
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| 17:52.23 | EmleyMoor | I'm not trying the sid versions, I'm trying the lenny versions |
| 17:52.25 | MrWax | or how can I make portfolio.domain.com point to a certain dir on my apache webserver? |
| 17:52.51 | EmleyMoor | I had this running all âvery nicely under etch but under lenny it's proving to be difficult |
| 17:53.17 | heroxbd | EmleyMoor: Then why are you upgrading? |
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| 17:53.30 | jintxo | MrWax, search for documetnation rearding apache "virtual hosts" to make different sites appear when accessing the same server with different names |
| 17:53.36 | EmleyMoor | I have taken too many steps forward now to take a giant one back |
| 17:53.47 | Flakk | YES IT WORKS! thanks all, deb is fantastic as always |
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| 17:54.13 | jpinx | Flakk: how did you fix it? |
| 17:54.13 | fsckedagain | joltcan: So, how the heck can I specify the IP of the openvpn server? It can't have the first ip in the network range it will be on. |
| 17:54.16 | EmleyMoor | This has been "smashed" by the upgrade - nothing else has been significantly affected |
| 17:54.18 | o[-_-]o | don't know |
| 17:54.36 | Flakk | jpinx: yes I did - with the installation cd rescue mode |
| 17:54.50 | EmleyMoor | Suggestions I'm getting elsewhere - not that I necessarily give them much credence - is that Debian's php maintainer did something "unholy" |
| 17:54.51 | jpinx | Flakk: cool |
| 17:55.12 | heroxbd | Flakk: Yeah. And the deb people is friendly as always ;) |
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| 17:55.55 | Flakk | heroxbd: yes , i would never manage it withoout the help of this channel! thanx again |
| 17:56.06 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: you still didn't get that running? |
| 17:56.14 | ma3x | why after 'rmmod ipwraw' and 'modprobe iwl3945' i get this : http://paste.debian.net/15574/ how do i reload the moduile without those errors? |
| 17:56.22 | abrotman | !rmmod |
| 17:56.22 | dpkg | i heard rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' (or <modconf>) instead |
| 17:56.26 | MrWax | jintxo: ok |
| 17:56.29 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: No - still breaking every time I enable turba, kronolith or worse still nag |
| 17:56.39 | abrotman | people use nag? |
| 17:56.41 | abrotman | :) |
| 17:57.04 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: did you set horde to use turba's chosen auth mech ? |
| 17:57.18 | EmleyMoor | Does turba choose an auth mech? |
| 17:57.30 | abrotman | it's uh .. a mail client? it has to? |
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| 17:57.46 | EmleyMoor | It's an address book. imp is the mail client. That works |
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| 17:57.59 | rdz | how to 'dmesg | tail -f' correctly? |
| 17:58.02 | abrotman | oh sorry .. duh |
| 17:58.13 | abrotman | rdz: tail -f /var/log/dmesg |
| 17:58.39 | Flakk | heroxbd: actually this channel makes it possible for me to use debian. I myself would not manage - many times it was quite clear to me , and this is what makes difference with other sustems, like mandriva for examlpe |
| 17:58.49 | rdz | abrotman, thanks a lot |
| 17:58.50 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: no, turba has no auth(unless you need it for your ldap) |
| 17:59.12 | EmleyMoor | adjusts a setting |
| 17:59.13 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: i have no idea what your real needs are .. but i've found Roundcube to be a great webmail client |
| 17:59.30 | EmleyMoor | Actually, kronolith was my main spurring on point for horde |
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| 17:59.39 | abrotman | even though it's like 0.13141beta+1alpha+1.1415 |
| 17:59.51 | abrotman | you want the calendaring? |
| 18:00.00 | fsckedagain | anyone know how to specify the ip address assigned to the tun device in openvpn? |
| 18:00.03 | EmleyMoor | Yes |
| 18:00.49 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: so if you enable turba .. what blows up ? |
| 18:00.53 | heroxbd | Flakk: Yeah. Hope you can advance even more with the channel :) |
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| 18:01.09 | Deepa | How can I get apt-get to re-create the file /etc/apache2/mods-available/suexec.load? |
| 18:01.23 | Deepa | I uninstalled apache2-suexec, purged the package, removed the file |
| 18:01.25 | Deepa | and installed it again |
| 18:01.33 | abrotman | !tell Deepa about confmiss |
| 18:02.27 | abrotman | Deepa: you do realize that file belongs to apache2.2-common right ? |
| 18:02.43 | Deepa | Tricky |
| 18:02.45 | Deepa | It does? |
| 18:03.07 | abrotman | !tell Deepa about search |
| 18:03.11 | abrotman | !tell Deepa about apt-file |
| 18:03.14 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: What I get now (having done pear install MDB2 because it couldn't find it before) is, where the left side menu should be, an MDB2 error which basically says: unable to find package 'MDB2_Driver_mysql' file 'MDB2/Driver/mysql.php'" |
| 18:03.15 | Deepa | I know about apt-file |
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| 18:03.55 | Deepa | It just feels ridiculous that it's not in the package providing the module |
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| 18:04.14 | heroxbd | fsckedagain: What about --ifconfig configuration derivatives? |
| 18:04.39 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: If possible, should I reverse that pear install? |
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| 18:05.30 | little_unix | how to find device per thX (x is 0,1,2...) |
| 18:05.31 | little_unix | ? |
| 18:05.44 | Deepa | Great, suexec still doesn't work |
| 18:05.50 | EmleyMoor | little_unix: What are they? |
| 18:06.08 | little_unix | debian! |
| 18:06.10 | little_unix | ;) |
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| 18:06.24 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: well .. i don't recall my system asking for mdb2 at all |
| 18:06.26 | EmleyMoor | Devices per anything are not Debian per se |
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| 18:06.45 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: OK - in that case I need to configure a way for it not to be needed |
| 18:06.57 | little_unix | how to find device per eth, example -> eth0 - 3com (installed), eth1 - realtek |
| 18:07.02 | little_unix | help-me :( |
| 18:07.09 | EmleyMoor | (I have no specific need of anything it offers to the best of my knowledge |
| 18:07.15 | cast | dmesg |grep eth is what i do |
| 18:07.20 | little_unix | thanks |
| 18:07.48 | xingu | little_unix: ethtool -i |
| 18:07.55 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: though i must say .. i odn't use mysql with any part of horde |
| 18:08.02 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 18:08.04 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: what backend did you choose for turba? |
| 18:08.06 | Nyle | little_unix, what a cute nick |
| 18:08.19 | Deepa | abrecus, any idea on why suexec/suphp doesn't work? |
| 18:08.19 | heroxbd | little_unix: What I did is to figure out each MAC addr, and then figure it out in /etc/udev/rules.d/.... persistent-net.... --- What I did, very dirty :( |
| 18:08.21 | xingu | little_unix: ... if the driver supports it; otherwise take a look at lspci -v, which for modern linux/userland will also list attached driver. |
| 18:08.29 | abrotman | Deepa: you missed |
| 18:08.38 | abrotman | Deepa: and i'd check the logs |
| 18:09.02 | mcgreg | I've heard there is a "acpi tree" where I can insert script to be executed when special events happen? like iup/ifdoen after waking up from standby? |
| 18:09.03 | Deepa | logs only says it works |
| 18:09.10 | Deepa | [Mon Aug 25 20:07:36 2008] [notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper: /usr/lib/apache2/suexec) |
| 18:09.18 | abrotman | mcgreg: /etc/acpi/ |
| 18:10.26 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: Horde default |
| 18:11.19 | Deepa | So no idea on why suexec doesn't work at all? |
| 18:11.25 | EmleyMoor | SQL database even |
| 18:11.46 | abrotman | Deepa: nope |
| 18:11.59 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: try editing the config to be something other than mysql |
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| 18:12.12 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: What do you use with it? |
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| 18:16.50 | heroxbd | xingu: Hmm. That's a good idea. |
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| 18:18.31 | MrWax | how to see what url you're on in links again? does anyone know? |
| 18:18.40 | MrWax | Where to find the current url you're on |
| 18:18.41 | pozic | Why doesn't wget run multiple download tasks in parallel? |
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| 18:19.16 | pozic | MrWax: press Esc |
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| 18:19.24 | heroxbd | pozic: for simplicity, I guess. |
| 18:19.26 | MrWax | pozic: and then? |
| 18:19.28 | pozic | MrWax: press View |
| 18:19.29 | xingu | pozic: because shells support job control |
| 18:19.30 | n3kl | Anyone know if a good command line feed reader? |
| 18:19.32 | pozic | MrWax: Press = |
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| 18:20.01 | pozic | xingu: huh? |
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| 18:20.12 | pozic | xingu: how should the shell know what the jobs are? |
| 18:20.30 | pozic | heroxbd: yes, that's what I thought too. |
| 18:20.39 | MrWax | pozic: thanks |
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| 18:20.43 | blubberdiblub | pozic: you can run many wget instances at the same time |
| 18:20.56 | pozic | blubberdiblub: yes... and how should I know which ones to run? |
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| 18:21.08 | xingu | pozic: do one thing and do it well applies; if you want concurrency, learn to background; or see xargs(1): --max-procs: |
| 18:21.22 | pozic | blubberdiblub: that is, without spending a lot of time to program something. |
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| 18:21.39 | blubberdiblub | pozic: why not run them all on the same url? |
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| 18:22.23 | pozic | blubberdiblub: that sounds like a nice idea, but it doesn't work in theory. |
| 18:22.56 | pozic | blubberdiblub: maybe it does, that depends on a lot of things. |
| 18:23.02 | gentlyninja | i started cinelerra video editor but clicking on the menu or any other button makes nothing happen. what could be the problem? i use debian testing and xfce4 |
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| 18:23.28 | pozic | blubberdiblub: will any wget process first write a file before it tries downloading it completely? |
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| 18:23.56 | pozic | blubberdiblub: still every process is going the same way through all the files, so it will be wasting CPU time anyway. |
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| 18:24.23 | blubberdiblub | pozic: i don't know, i haven't tried it yet ;) for me wget is not a tool to download something as fast as possible |
| 18:24.30 | bartwe | is the libxml2 thing fixed ? |
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| 18:25.43 | rdz | is there a way to recursively download an http address? |
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| 18:25.53 | heroxbd | rdz: wget -m? |
| 18:25.56 | rdz | http://blaabl.org/files ? |
| 18:26.13 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: with turba? |
| 18:26.18 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: i use pgsql and ldap |
| 18:26.22 | rdz | heroxbd, thanks a lot |
| 18:26.42 | pozic | blubberdiblub: it could go an order of magnitude faster if wget was designed to work in parallel. |
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| 18:27.39 | pozic | Is there an alternative to wget that is designed to work in parallel? |
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| 18:27.54 | tralala | torrent |
| 18:27.56 | blubberdiblub | pozic: i think it was not designed with that paradigma in mind |
| 18:27.58 | heroxbd | pozic: aria2, I think. |
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| 18:28.43 | heroxbd | pozic: And anything that support "metalink" |
| 18:29.27 | pozic | heroxbd: What is metalink? |
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| 18:30.15 | pozic | heroxbd: never mind, found wiki already. |
| 18:30.23 | heroxbd | pozic: some kind of url list. like putting all FTP/HTTP/BT/ED2K resource in a certain format... OK |
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| 18:30.41 | pozic | heroxbd: yes, but then you still need to have the spider part. |
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| 18:31.15 | heroxbd | pozic: You mean a downloader? aria2 is pretty cool at this. |
| 18:32.51 | Speereet | Hello. Are there know problems with sis900 ethernet cards? Here's mine: when I modprobe sis900, I get the following messages --- sis900.c: v1.08.10 \ SiS 900 Internal MII PHY transceiver found at address 1. \ Using transceiver found at address 1 as default \ SiS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xb800, IRQ 22, 00:40:33:e2:60:e9 --- but when I ifconfig eth1, it tells me there's no such device. What went wrong? |
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| 18:34.19 | orkun | hello |
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| 18:35.30 | n3kl | Speereet: try ifconfig eth1 |
| 18:35.55 | Speereet | n3kl: That's what I did. And that's what I said I did. |
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| 18:37.13 | Speereet | Anyway, how can I get more information on what's going on? All I tried was IFCONFIG, and DMESG. Where else do I get information on what's causing the card not to be recognised? |
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| 18:39.02 | rubix | can anyone tell me how to set grub2 splash image? |
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| 18:39.57 | blubberdiblub | Speereet, may it be that the card is not eth1, but eth0 instead? (or eth2 ...) have "ifconfig -a" list all nics for a check |
| 18:40.47 | Laeborg|Lap | i have my home partition seperatet from swap and system. a 69GB partition. Is it possible to make it smaller? |
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| 18:41.16 | Speereet | blubberdiblub: But according to dmesg, the card's called eth1. eth0 is already associated with another card, and eth2 doesn't exist. |
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| 18:42.22 | dustybin | what apache2 should i install on my home server what uses a pentium3.2HT |
| 18:42.22 | Laeborg|Lap | make a dualboot with backtrack. Can BackTrack and Debian share /home partition ? |
| 18:42.24 | dustybin | apache2-mpm-prefork - Apache HTTP Server - traditional non-threaded model |
| 18:42.24 | dustybin | apache2-mpm-worker - Apache HTTP Server - high speed threaded model |
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| 18:42.36 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 18:42.38 | Speereet | Well, I must leave to catch the train. Thanks, anyway. Goodbye. |
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| 18:43.42 | Nazcafan | I see that nautilus in lenny is 2.20 whereas the rest of the gnome desktop is 2.22 and I have the feeling that debian packagers are planning to leave nautilus 2.20 in stable. Is there a particular reason for that? |
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| 18:45.18 | philluminati | Can anyone help me with this please? http://pastebin.com/m6a83947d |
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| 18:45.36 | ArthurArchnix | Just guessing, and I'm sure someone will post the infinitely more useful "why is package 'x' not in 'y'" dpkg link in a second, but from what I've read previously gnome recently switched over to a new underlying file system management system, which while having better performance, is also much less tested. |
| 18:46.00 | capiira | hihi does exist a command to clear all log files ? |
| 18:46.09 | ArthurArchnix | So.. again, my personal opinion, nautilus 2.22 depends on that newer vfs and so won't be used. |
| 18:46.15 | MrWax | When adding a user, I would like to have the user automatically having a www dir like /home/user/www, does anyone know how I can make this? |
| 18:46.20 | MrWax | when I execute the adduser cmfd |
| 18:46.32 | capiira | i just added 2.22 from exp and works fine so far |
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| 18:48.03 | capiira | even fixed a few bugs i had before with 2.20 |
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| 18:48.29 | ArthurArchnix | Can I aptitude install a package, but not install it's recommends, but only for that one package? I can turn off the option in aptitude to install recommends, but I'm wondering if there is a swtich |
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| 18:49.01 | mimcpher | MrWax, you can setup a skeleton home directory that every user starts with |
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| 18:49.41 | mimcpher | MrWax, just mkdir /etc/skel/www and that'll do it. |
| 18:50.05 | MrWax | mimcpher: nice |
| 18:50.06 | MrWax | thanks |
| 18:50.07 | shyam_k | rec -r 16000 -s w -f u wav/test.wav is giving me error "rec soxio: Failed reading `u': unknown file type `auto' " |
| 18:50.14 | shyam_k | what could be the problem? |
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| 18:50.52 | roxy_ | how can I install firefox 32bit on amd64 ? |
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| 18:51.34 | ArthurArchnix | I think i need to do this: aptitude install -R wesnoth-data which according to the manpage should do it without install recommends, but maybe someone can confirm? |
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| 18:53.01 | shyam_k | my friends man page on rec have --format as an option but mine dont have it! |
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| 18:54.15 | EmleyMoor | -f means floating-point - did you intend it to mean format? |
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| 18:55.50 | shyam_k | my friend used it for saying the format as his manpage says it as "-f [format], --format=[format] Specify bit format of the sample. One of s, u, U, A, a, or g. it's not file type" |
| 18:56.04 | shyam_k | EmleyMoor: ^^ |
| 18:56.16 | EmleyMoor | shyam_k: That's not right for the version in lenny at least |
| 18:56.32 | EmleyMoor | If you want unsigned linear, it's -u (not -f u) |
| 18:56.47 | shyam_k | ohhk thanks.. i just wanna know the equivalent |
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| 18:58.17 | roxy_ | nothing better than: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/583 for a 32bit firefox on amd64? |
| 18:58.22 | shyam_k | EmleyMoor: and -s w too?! |
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| 18:59.06 | EmleyMoor | shyam_k: What is that supposed to do? |
| 18:59.10 | olspookishmagus | what's broken on lenny? Gnome is totally screwed up |
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| 18:59.27 | EmleyMoor | (it's not correct for Debian) |
| 18:59.46 | EmleyMoor | olspookishmagus: Gnome seems OK - it's horde that's got me puzzled |
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| 19:00.41 | olspookishmagus | EmleyMoor: what do you mean? it starts saying that it can't load keyboard indicator and then it goes bananas |
| 19:01.24 | olspookishmagus | is lenny moving to stable? |
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| 19:01.42 | olspookishmagus | that could explain some issues |
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| 19:11.30 | lbleo | Happy Linux days with Linux... |
| 19:11.52 | enouf | ArthurArchnix: pretty sure the option is --without-recommends (maybe a shorter one you have there), but i don't use aptitude |
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| 19:12.41 | ArthurArchnix | turns out the files were in my cache so it was all unneeded. BUt that's a strange recommendation - don't use aptitude... care to elaborate? |
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| 19:14.24 | deus___ | he's running ubuntu and uses synaptic *hides* |
| 19:15.55 | wols | !recommends |
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| 19:20.53 | flo_ | HI all.Any ideas if it is possible to use racoon to connect to a Netgear (FSV336G) VPN (IPSec)? |
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| 19:25.36 | dcnoye | which runlevels should iptables be running at ? |
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| 19:26.58 | Maliuta | dcnoye: runlevels are arbitrary, so pick the ones you want |
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| 19:29.46 | Mitsui_Sam | hi all! |
| 19:30.28 | Mitsui_Sam | What could do a ip route replace destination_ip dev eth1 src ip_in_eth1:0 not work? |
| 19:31.14 | Mitsui_Sam | in my debian box i have used this command, but is not working |
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| 19:33.02 | shyam_k | which would be a better command to record sound file in a script? arecord or rec |
| 19:33.03 | shyam_k | ? |
| 19:33.11 | shyam_k | which will work on most systems? arecord right? |
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| 19:38.51 | Laeborg|Lap | konqueror:remote:/ - What should i write in command for open konqueror in remote:/ ? |
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| 19:39.01 | tview | what package would have system man pages e.g "man 2 mmap" reports no mmap man entry at the moment. |
| 19:39.16 | rapsys_ | hi, how may i downgrade a lenny to an etch with apt-get ? |
| 19:39.35 | r3m | Hi, im waiting for my new computer to install linux on the old one, but for the moment can i use debian on windows? |
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| 19:40.06 | Mr-R | tview: manpages-dev |
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| 19:46.23 | n3kl | rapsys: you don't |
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| 19:51.32 | phrozen77 | is there a high-res version of the debian logo somewhere? |
| 19:51.42 | randomdude | How can I, in a bash script, cut the last character of every line in a while loop? like, "while read foo; do echo "${foo}.cutLastChar()"; done" |
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| 19:54.30 | cga | hi all |
| 19:54.59 | cga | anyone knows a joomla repo for debian? |
| 19:55.09 | cga | etch |
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| 20:03.45 | cbk4861 | !pastebin |
| 20:03.45 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 20:04.03 | n3kl | cga: try googling "joomla etch" |
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| 20:04.38 | cga | n3kl, done already. there's only one news about a repo on joomla devs site but the repo don't work |
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| 20:05.07 | hardcorelinux | anyone know how to turn X off at start up? |
| 20:05.09 | n3kl | cga: so install it manually |
| 20:05.30 | hardcorelinux | I am more familiar with this with Gentoo than debian |
| 20:05.42 | cga | n3kl, well yes.. but a repo would have been good. not to mention that joomla should be included in debian |
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| 20:06.04 | n3kl | cga: I believe *should* is a matter of oppinion |
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| 20:06.35 | asoot | hi |
| 20:06.44 | cbk4861 | Hello, I just installed Lenny testing. I am trying to add some repositories using the software sources application, but it fails. Here is the terminal output. http://paste.lisp.org/display/65832 |
| 20:06.45 | cga | n3kl, i don't have time to argue right now. no thanks. anyway is a matter of opinion if you will |
| 20:06.49 | TTT_ | hi, is it just me, or is gnome volume control applet broken & gnome keyboard layout switcher applet broken in SID? |
| 20:07.09 | n3kl | cga: good luck |
| 20:07.23 | cga | n3kl, thanks =) (for answering too) |
| 20:08.02 | abrotman | !tell hardcorelinux about nodm |
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| 20:09.01 | abrotman | cbk4861: uhm .. you're supposed to substitute <country_code> with your iso country code like "ca" or "us" |
| 20:09.03 | hardcorelinux | abrotman: what is nodm |
| 20:09.12 | Nazcafan | what does the pending-fixed tag mean in apt-listbugs? |
| 20:09.12 | n3kl | cga: I think you already found this page: http://developer.joomla.org/developer-team-blog/17-developer-team-blog/86-joomla-debian-package.html and the repo does not work, but there appear to be deb packages for direct download below the instructions for the repo |
| 20:09.18 | abrotman | hardcorelinux: look for a bot msg |
| 20:09.30 | abrotman | Nazcafan: fix is there, but the new package hasn't been uploaded yet? |
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| 20:09.56 | hardcorelinux | abrotman: ??? |
| 20:10.05 | simonrvn | ?????????? |
| 20:10.13 | n3kl | hardcorelinux: dpkg is our bot |
| 20:10.14 | Nazcafan | abrotman: so if the bug might affect me, better not upgrade yet, right? |
| 20:10.16 | simonrvn | what is that supposed to mean? |
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| 20:11.14 | hardcorelinux | All I want to do is disable X from start up I don't want to get rid of it |
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| 20:11.21 | cga | n3kl, that's the one i was talking about. i didn't see the .deb tough. thanks. i'll see if it's up to date |
| 20:11.43 | cbk4861 | where is sources.lst kept? |
| 20:11.45 | simonrvn | !nodm |
| 20:11.46 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 20:11.50 | simonrvn | hardcorelinux: ^^^ |
| 20:12.00 | n3kl | hardcorelinux: look in /etc/rc2.d/ Theree are scripts that tell the system what to start, changes are you have gdm or kdm installed, rename it to K??kdm instead of S??kdm and you are done |
| 20:12.08 | simonrvn | cbk4861: /etc/apt/sources.list (not sources.lst) |
| 20:12.27 | cbk4861 | sorry, it was a typo |
| 20:12.33 | simonrvn | np |
| 20:12.36 | n3kl | cga: yeah, not sure about that part. If its anything like wordpress, there is an update every month it seems =] |
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| 20:15.02 | cga | n3kl, it's a CMS |
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| 20:27.58 | JonkoPA | how do I send messages across the system? |
| 20:29.13 | Mr-R | JonkoPA: are you looking for "wall" or something like that? |
| 20:29.54 | JonkoPA | Mr-R, no. |
| 20:30.23 | JonkoPA | more like private messages |
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| 20:31.55 | valdyn | JonkoPA: like email? |
| 20:31.56 | n3kl | JonkoPA: talk? |
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| 20:32.13 | JonkoPA | like a wall message but then to a specific user |
| 20:32.28 | barnum | WRITE(1) BSD General Commands Manual WRITE(1) |
| 20:32.34 | valdyn | JonkoPA: wall goes to consoles, not users |
| 20:32.50 | JonkoPA | valdyn, i know. |
| 20:32.57 | valdyn | JonkoPA: you are really looking for email or irc |
| 20:33.02 | n3kl | JonkoPA: yeah, the tool is called "talk |
| 20:33.03 | valdyn | JonkoPA: or icq if you want |
| 20:33.09 | enouf | haha .. IM |
| 20:33.17 | JonkoPA | this guy |
| 20:33.18 | JonkoPA | ... lol |
| 20:33.24 | JonkoPA | hmm i found write |
| 20:33.58 | JonkoPA | in case anyone is interested, pay attention. Write can be used to send personal messages to users logged on to the system i.e echo "the message" | write username pts/4 |
| 20:34.03 | JonkoPA | thnx guys for the help |
| 20:34.28 | valdyn | like users really read all their dozen terminals regularily |
| 20:34.42 | JonkoPA | we are not arguing about what's usefull. |
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| 20:34.47 | JonkoPA | that's another topic |
| 20:34.55 | JonkoPA | and yes, users read that when they are logged on on a shell account |
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| 20:35.27 | JonkoPA | just like they read wall messages. |
| 20:35.29 | Maliuta | JonkoPA: how many terminals do you have open right now? |
| 20:35.38 | valdyn | JonkoPA: no they dont |
| 20:35.50 | valdyn | JonkoPA: unless you limit them to not using screen or anything like that |
| 20:35.52 | JonkoPA | Maliuta, I'm talking about shell accounts on shell services. |
| 20:35.55 | n3kl | Maliuta: how many do you have open now |
| 20:36.00 | JonkoPA | one. |
| 20:36.10 | JonkoPA | but write can send to multiply so no worry's. |
| 20:36.21 | JonkoPA | man write. |
| 20:36.21 | Maliuta | JonkoPA: I can assure you it would be a 1 in 1,000,000 chance that I'd see it among all the terminals I have in screen sessions |
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| 20:36.53 | JonkoPA | maligor, you can find out what session is active and if not send messages to all pts. |
| 20:37.02 | valdyn | not to mention irc clients where messages just get overwritten |
| 20:37.03 | JonkoPA | *maliuta |
| 20:37.13 | Multiply | JonkoPA, no write can't send to me. |
| 20:37.15 | JonkoPA | valdyn, no, wrong, it's visible. |
| 20:37.27 | Maliuta | I have 13 terminals, just on my desktop ... you don't want to see how many I have at once when I am working |
| 20:37.28 | JonkoPA | but i have not time to talk anymore guys |
| 20:37.29 | JonkoPA | need to work |
| 20:37.31 | JonkoPA | later |
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| 20:41.11 | cga | hi all. where can i find mod_something to install it? on debian etch. i don't know if it's a package or not |
| 20:41.32 | Nateside | Can i get a quick help with a regular expresion, this is from my apache config, it works mostly problem is that it matches anything that begins with ftp, not just ftp RedirectMatch permanent ^/ftp([\/]?) |
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| 20:42.46 | gnittor | cga, use 'aptitude search NAME' to search for a package |
| 20:42.57 | cga | thanks gnittor |
| 20:44.52 | monobug | my xorg looks pretty "slim", could it be any good reasons for that? debian sid. http://pastebin.com/m3e6182c5 |
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| 20:45.30 | n3kl | monobug: most everything is autodetect in lenny/sid now, I think |
| 20:46.34 | monobug | n3kl, ok. no chance to make it become more specific towards my hardware? |
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| 20:48.01 | esaym | anyone know a good way to get suspend working on an aser aspire one laptop? I did a min install and am now wondring what suspend packages to install.... |
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| 20:48.11 | dante_2core | monobug, sure, read man xorg.conf and add all the options you want :P |
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| 20:49.21 | dante_2core | esaym, try uswsusp |
| 20:49.25 | monobug | i basically need the section for the graphics card to be in order |
| 20:49.36 | dante_2core | monobug, what graphics card do you have? |
| 20:49.41 | monobug | nvidia |
| 20:49.47 | dante_2core | newer one? |
| 20:49.52 | monobug | 8800gt |
| 20:50.06 | dante_2core | I see. Do you want the free-and-opensource way or do you need opengl/3d stuff working? |
| 20:50.25 | monobug | i've followed the wiki with non-free |
| 20:50.25 | esaym | dante_2core: cool I was looking at that |
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| 20:50.45 | monobug | then i discovered that there was no section for graphics card in my xorg... |
| 20:50.47 | dante_2core | esaym, it's kinda tricky and takes some fiddling to work mostly, good luck |
| 20:51.06 | Nateside | any body here know how to do regex? |
| 20:51.09 | dante_2core | monobug, well, if you don't need 3d acceleration ( for games, etc) and have the right desktop resolution, no reason to change that |
| 20:51.16 | Nateside | hey guys, can i get a hand with this regex, ^/ftp([\/]?) this is from my apache config, it matches example.com/ftp and redirects it, problem it also matches example.com/ftp_something_else.htm |
| 20:51.39 | dante_2core | Nateside, in a limited manner - reading some regex manpages will help you more than I can, I guess |
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| 20:51.48 | monobug | dante_2core, i got the perfect resolution, i'd also like the 3d acceleration... |
| 20:51.48 | mike_xcr | hi all |
| 20:51.51 | cbk4861 | Hello, I am using debian lenny, and when I run aptitude update in a terminal, I get this output http://paste.lisp.org/display/65832,1/raw, can anyone tell me how to rectify this? |
| 20:51.56 | mike_xcr | i have a question... |
| 20:52.00 | esaym | dante_2core: yea I figured :-/ |
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| 20:52.15 | dante_2core | monobug, then look into nvidia-glx and its associated packages |
| 20:52.29 | mike_xcr | i will buy PowerBook 1.5GHz PowerPC, 1GB RAM, 17"... and i want install on this machine Debian.. this is good idea? |
| 20:52.36 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 20:52.36 | dpkg | i heard ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
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| 20:53.02 | abrotman | Nateside: ask #apache |
| 20:53.06 | Nateside | dante_2core: im reading up, but theres alot of info and im still confused, i just want to take this expresion ^/ftp([\/]?) and make it so it doesnt match ftp[wildcard] just ftp, if that makes any sense |
| 20:53.08 | monobug | dante_2core, even if i get all its packages, will it privde 3d acc.? |
| 20:53.10 | abrotman | Nateside: IIRC it's not normal regexp |
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| 20:53.12 | Nateside | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:53.17 | dante_2core | esaym, suspend has been the hardest thing for me to get working on notebooks so far... I still can't get it to work on my thinkpad |
| 20:53.47 | dante_2core | monobug, don't just install, you need some kinda help, but abrotman will be able to help you better than I can - I think so, at least |
| 20:53.56 | dante_2core | abrotman, any exp. with nvidia debian-way non-free? |
| 20:54.03 | amphi | dante_2core: echo disk > /sys/power/state has always worked for me |
| 20:54.15 | dante_2core | amphi, but that's hibernate, not suspend to ram |
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| 20:54.27 | dante_2core | I need suspend to ram - it suspends fine, but doesn't come back at all |
| 20:54.33 | dante_2core | hibernate to disk works flawlessly |
| 20:54.43 | amphi | dante_2core: right; suspend to ram is geb0rkt here too |
| 20:55.01 | dante_2core | ^^ darn. the x61 tablet rocks anyway, otherwise :P |
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| 20:55.24 | Torikun | Hello |
| 20:55.27 | amphi | x61s here |
| 20:55.47 | dante_2core | :P tuxpaint on the tablet + my girlfriend = fun for hours on end |
| 20:56.05 | cbk4861 | !apt |
| 20:56.05 | dpkg | somebody said apt was Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 20:56.16 | dante_2core | well, my girlfriend = fun for hours on end, but that's another story ^^ |
| 20:56.24 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:56.28 | Torikun | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Linux_and_Open_Source_Technology_Podcast_Episode_8 |
| 20:56.42 | Torikun | Being married = no fun |
| 20:56.46 | dante_2core | amphi, well if you get anything running on suspend to ram, tell me :P |
| 20:56.54 | amphi | dante_2core: did you see whether having 'kernel/acpi_video_flags = 3' in /etc/sysctl.conf helps? |
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| 20:57.11 | dante_2core | amphi, that'll require some reboot, right? |
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| 20:57.36 | amphi | dante_2core: you can echo 3 > /proc/sys/kernel/acpi_video_flags |
| 20:57.42 | abrotman | dante_2core: depends on the version of debian |
| 20:57.47 | dante_2core | amphi, ok |
| 20:57.53 | dante_2core | abrotman, you talking about the nvidia thing? |
| 20:58.06 | amphi | doesn't work here; I'm on 2.6.26.2 though |
| 20:58.17 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:58.57 | dante_2core | abrotman, well... I dunno, we'd have to ask monobug what he uses. I only used the drivers directly from nvidia so fur |
| 20:59.00 | dante_2core | so far* |
| 20:59.01 | amphi | dante_2core: it did make suspend to ram work on .24 & .25 IIRC; I don't use s2r really anyway |
| 20:59.01 | dante_2core | ducks |
| 20:59.14 | monobug | i am using debian sid, and got to step 2 in the wiki |
| 20:59.18 | monobug | there i am stuck |
| 21:00.04 | cga | how do i check if php5 has been compiled with support for mysql and zlib? (i installed php5-mysql but not sure about zlib) |
| 21:00.31 | dante_2core | amphi, nope, doesn't come back, the moon shines as nothing had happened. battery light goes on, though. |
| 21:00.35 | Nyle | hey |
| 21:00.38 | Nyle | you there |
| 21:00.42 | Nyle | pin |
| 21:00.45 | abrotman | wrong window? |
| 21:00.55 | Nyle | you're a wrong widnow |
| 21:01.10 | amphi | pon |
| 21:01.15 | abrotman | poff ? |
| 21:01.18 | Nyle | cga, you should check the readme debian |
| 21:01.24 | dante_2core | ^_^ |
| 21:01.27 | Nyle | perhaps its in there about what options the package was built as |
| 21:01.37 | Nyle | with* |
| 21:01.39 | cga | Nyle, mmkey. where's that please? |
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| 21:01.48 | Nyle | cga, dpkg -L pkgname|grep doc |
| 21:01.54 | cga | thanks =) |
| 21:01.55 | dante_2core | cga, dpkg -L bah darn too slow. |
| 21:02.02 | Nyle | cga, or /usr/share/doc/packgename |
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| 21:02.11 | cga | thanks =) (again) |
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| 21:02.23 | abrotman | cga: if you have a phpinfo() page .. it will tell you .. and you can always apt-cache search php5 zlib |
| 21:02.29 | monobug | abrotman, nvidia issues, nvidia-xconfig: command not found, and my xorg is totally automaticated, i need the graphics section to make my nvidia card work w 3d acc. |
| 21:02.35 | Nyle | abrotman, oh yeah |
| 21:02.37 | cga | abrotman, i'm not that far yet |
| 21:02.47 | cbk4861 | Hello, I am using debian lenny, and when I run aptitude update in a terminal, I get this output http://paste.lisp.org/display/65832,1/raw, can anyone tell me how to rectify this? |
| 21:02.47 | Nyle | I didn't even think of that, and I've been coding php for solid week |
| 21:02.48 | Nyle | heh |
| 21:02.56 | dante_2core | monobug, aaahm - just make some default one as described in man xorg.conf |
| 21:03.08 | abrotman | !depends libapache2-mod-php5 etch |
| 21:03.26 | abrotman | monobug: nope .. i don't know much about nvidia (other than you shouldn't buy from them) |
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| 21:03.42 | Nyle | amphi, whats going on |
| 21:03.44 | abrotman | cga: whenever the bot helps out .. you'll see a dep on zlibg1 |
| 21:03.48 | monobug | can't i fetch the graphics section from another install and add to my own? |
| 21:03.49 | dante_2core | abrotman, :P well, I kinda like the horsepower my 8800GTX SLI has on linux |
| 21:03.58 | abrotman | dante_2core: don't care .. not worth it |
| 21:04.06 | cga | abrotman, thanks |
| 21:04.09 | cga | i have that lib |
| 21:04.15 | Nyle | !ping |
| 21:04.15 | dpkg | pong |
| 21:04.15 | dante_2core | abrotman, we talked about that before - I never had any problems so I'm happy so far |
| 21:04.23 | abrotman | cga: you should if you installed the libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 21:04.26 | dante_2core | abrotman, next one will be AMD anyway as their drivers are now OSS |
| 21:04.40 | abrotman | dante_2core: but you also don't seem to be able to help people when it breaks :) |
| 21:04.41 | dmoerner | cbk4861: this is not upbuntu. there is no such thing as lenny/updates on ftp.debian.org |
| 21:04.43 | cga | abrotman, i did thanks |
| 21:04.53 | abrotman | dmoerner: yes there are |
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| 21:04.58 | dante_2core | abrotman, well I am able but kinda busy atm, and I don't use the debian way so I'm outta place here |
| 21:05.19 | abrotman | !tell cbk4861 about mirrors |
| 21:05.20 | dmoerner | abrotman: where? ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists |
| 21:05.39 | abrotman | dmoerner: oh .. there are security.debian.org lenny/updates |
| 21:05.51 | dmoerner | yeah that's why i said on ftp.debian.org. his /etc/apt/sources.list had both |
| 21:05.52 | abrotman | he still needs to comment out the <conutry_code> lines |
| 21:06.15 | dante_2core | monobug, see, I actually use the nvidia driver installer from their page, which does everything pretty well and fast - but that's not the debian way and thus not liked by the people here :P - that's also the reason I don't explain it without being asked for |
| 21:06.16 | abrotman | guesses dpkg will show the dependencies in about 10 minutes |
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| 21:06.44 | Nyle | thats a bummer man |
| 21:06.49 | cbk4861 | So comment out the ftp.us stuff? |
| 21:07.03 | abrotman | cbk4861: no .. paste your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 21:07.11 | dmoerner | cbk4861: comment out the lines that say deb http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 21:07.19 | dante_2core | abrotman, as long as you don't hate me for using nvidia, all is well - and I don't claim nvidia to be superior in any way, I just had good experience with it so far, nothing else. |
| 21:07.31 | abrotman | dmoerner: he seems to have lines that say ftp.<country_code>.debian.org |
| 21:07.32 | monobug | dante_2core, that's it, i know what to do now ;) |
| 21:07.44 | abrotman | literally .. <country_code> |
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| 21:08.31 | dmoerner | abrotman, really? i don't see them in what he pastebinned. something is seriously wrong |
| 21:08.41 | dante_2core | ... he just left, for whatever reason |
| 21:08.56 | dmoerner | i was just about to wonder why i couldn't tab complete his name haha...i'm smart |
| 21:09.04 | dante_2core | XD |
| 21:09.09 | cbk4861 | !pastebin |
| 21:09.09 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 21:09.58 | cbk4861 | dmoerner: this is what it looks like as of now : http://paste.lisp.org/display/65836 |
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| 21:10.40 | dante_2core | lawl |
| 21:10.48 | dmoerner | cbk4861: why do you have sid in there? |
| 21:11.40 | cbk4861 | ? I must have messed around too much with the software sources app, comment those out? |
| 21:12.07 | Laeborg|Lap | how does i get xchat to join more than one channel on connect? |
| 21:13.04 | dmoerner | cbk4861: make it look like this http://paste.lisp.org/display/65837 |
| 21:13.13 | dmoerner | Laeborg|Lap: put commas between the autojoin channels... |
| 21:13.20 | dmoerner | #debian,#defocus,#politics |
| 21:13.23 | Laeborg|Lap | ah okay |
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| 21:14.42 | breakz | irssi help pls, i keep getting Irssi: Failed to execute /usr/bin/mrtg-ip-acct: No such file or directory Irssi: Failed to execute /usr/bin/mrtg-ip-acct: No such file or directory... after loading piglet wich i cannot unload |
| 21:15.48 | enouf | prods Nyle with his cane + cattle prod attachment |
| 21:16.11 | cbk4861 | !pastebin |
| 21:16.12 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 21:16.12 | Speereet | Hello. I'm looking for a simple, lightweight ftp server. I only have experience with *proftpd*. Any recommendations for a production environment? |
| 21:16.45 | cbk4861 | dmoerner: http://paste.lisp.org/display/65838 |
| 21:17.13 | dmoerner | cbk4861: well...it tells you exactly how to fix it. |
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| 21:17.35 | dmoerner | sed -i 's/lenny-proposed-updates/testing-proposed-updates/g' /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:17.52 | n3kl | Speereet: I prefer vsftpd |
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| 21:19.32 | cbk4861 | The last command worked, this is one of my first distros, so thanks for helping out. |
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| 21:20.27 | dmoerner | cbk4861: no problem. that's what we're here for |
| 21:22.28 | Speereet | Thanks, n3kl. |
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| 21:30.43 | dustybin | where would be a good place to launch this automatically when my machine boots: |
| 21:30.44 | dustybin | ip route add 192.168.2.0/24 dev eth1 table 101 |
| 21:30.44 | dustybin | ip route add default via 192.168.2.254 dev eth1 table 101 |
| 21:30.44 | dustybin | ip rule add from 192.168.2.0/24 table 101 |
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| 21:31.00 | dmoerner | dustybin: you can put it in /etc/rc.local if you don't want to make an init script |
| 21:31.28 | dustybin | i dont mind where it goes, if i put it inside /etc/rc.local should i make it executable |
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| 21:34.09 | takuan | i have a rather serious problem with my debian installation |
| 21:34.18 | takuan | next to all packages fail to install |
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| 21:34.54 | takuan | a lot of them fail in preconfigure saying "... failed to preconfigure, with exit status 1" |
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| 21:35.28 | takuan | things started out with the identd-update package which failed to configure |
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| 21:35.53 | takuan | i then decided to do an apt-get upgrade |
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| 21:36.24 | takuan | and then a lot of packages failed to preconfigure |
| 21:36.37 | takuan | and debconf post installation returns exit status 1 |
| 21:36.41 | takuan | anybody any ideas? |
| 21:37.02 | p1ngp0ng | to install php5, do i need the meta-package and the common package? |
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| 21:39.38 | Caelum | how do I recode a file from ascii to UTF-16? |
| 21:40.15 | gnittor | Caelum, iconv |
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| 21:41.29 | Caelum | gnittor: it's making it little endian, need big endian |
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| 21:41.45 | esaym | are there any frount ends too uswsusp? |
| 21:42.11 | dante_2core | does anyone have an idea why a thinkpad x61 tablet does not come back after suspend no matter what kernel / suspend script I use? the battery icon reappears, but the moon still lights up and nothing happens ~ hibernate works fine |
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| 21:43.01 | dmoerner | dante_2core: what suspend scripts have you used? uswsusp, acpi-support, pm-utils? |
| 21:43.01 | dmoerner | have you checked the thinkwiki page on screen remaining blank on resume? |
| 21:43.19 | dante_2core | dmoerner, yes, those. yes, I did. it does not resume so far, it does not even come back so I can shut it down |
| 21:43.31 | Laeborg|Lap | hi |
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| 21:43.42 | Laeborg|Lap | i need adobe flash player 9.0. how can i get it? |
| 21:43.54 | dmoerner | !tell Laeborg|Lap about adobe flash |
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| 21:44.41 | takuan | nobody can help me? |
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| 21:45.31 | dante_2core | dmoerner, well.. how do I use acpi-support to suspend? ~ |
| 21:46.06 | dante_2core | takuan, this problem is rather standard but it depends on where the problem is |
| 21:46.21 | takuan | dante_2core: any idea as to where I have to look? |
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| 21:46.27 | dante_2core | it takes rather long from the outside to resolve, but once you understand how those thingies work, you can solve them easily by yourself |
| 21:46.39 | dante_2core | well, look at the errors: what did exacly fail? can you circumvent that somehow? |
| 21:46.57 | takuan | well, I can't figure out how to find out what exactly failed |
| 21:47.23 | takuan | i tried looking at the dpkg installation with all debug on, but it showed next to nothing |
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| 21:50.03 | dante_2core | takuan, pastebin the whole error |
| 21:50.28 | dante_2core | takuan, I don't really have time to solve the thing right now - are you on unstable? if yes, people here are unwilling to help mostly |
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| 21:50.58 | angryuser | hello |
| 21:51.02 | dante_2core | dmoerner, acpi-support does not work either. same problem: it does not at all come back |
| 21:51.02 | takuan | well, dante_2core, if you could just point me out how to see what happens behind the scenes of apt-get install, i'dd be gratefull |
| 21:51.06 | takuan | i'm on unstable |
| 21:51.22 | dante_2core | you scroll up in the console and look what's written there |
| 21:51.41 | takuan | all it tells me is that preconfigure and configure subprocesses stop with exit status 1 |
| 21:51.54 | angryuser | i need to install debian on 2xE5420 Quad core system= 8 cores which one should i take, i386 ? |
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| 21:52.08 | takuan | what exactly fails, i can't find out |
| 21:52.25 | takuan | is it possible to make apt-get spew more details dante_2core? |
| 21:52.43 | n3kl | angryuser: how much ram? |
| 21:53.07 | angryuser | n3kl 8 gb |
| 21:53.27 | n3kl | angryuser: you will need amd64 install to get more than 3.5G ram recognized |
| 21:53.50 | angryuser | n3kl as i was thinking, that amd confused me ;) |
| 21:53.59 | dante_2core | man apt-get, you should use aptitude and not apt-get, though |
| 21:54.20 | takuan | why's that? |
| 21:54.22 | n3kl | angryuser: a server I hope? |
| 21:54.32 | takuan | never even used aptitude in 8 years of debian |
| 21:54.40 | angryuser | n3kl why amd64 anyway why not a amd_intel_64 ;) |
| 21:54.43 | dmoerner_ | dpkg: tell takuan -about why aptitude |
| 21:55.14 | n3kl | angryuser: er, sorry, whatever your arch is. Just, i386 will not support your 8G of ram |
| 21:55.18 | angryuser | n3kl yes, primary server upgrade finally |
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| 21:56.12 | dante_2core | takuan, aptitude is more verbose, does more checks and does things cleaner, and has better dependency resolving |
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| 21:56.50 | takuan | ok, but I fail to see why that's going to solve this problem |
| 21:56.55 | takuan | i'll try though |
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| 21:58.12 | angryuser | n3kl that is normal as limit of all 32 bit systems, just the name amd is somehow confusing, is there any problems with intel on that arcitecture ? |
| 21:58.36 | karikari | I am trying to build a raid5 array from 3 devices but using 'mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=5 -n 3 -x 0 /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdc2 /dev/sdd2' markes one drive as spare and two as active. How can I get all three active on create? |
| 21:59.22 | takuan | nice, does aptitude really have to redownload for 2 hours |
| 21:59.32 | takuan | can't it use apt-get's cache? |
| 21:59.36 | n3kl | angryuser: I don't *think* so, but get another oppinion. I thought I remember amd64 running on the intels also |
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| 22:00.13 | n3kl | karikari: you need three devices for a raid 5 active |
| 22:00.23 | karikari | n3kl and angryuser: I am running intel quad core on amd64 |
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| 22:00.34 | rubo_22_ | alguien habla español? |
| 22:00.35 | n3kl | karikari: ah good to know |
| 22:00.47 | karikari | n3kl: Yeah, i listed three, /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdc2 /dev/sdd2 |
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| 22:01.09 | angryuser | karikari maybe the third on is used for parity data , maybe it is normal, try to syncro you devices and simulate failure |
| 22:01.11 | n3kl | karikari: also, you can use the keyword "missing": ie: mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=5 -n 3 -x 0 /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdc2 missing |
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| 22:01.41 | dmoerner | aptitude /win 4 |
| 22:01.44 | dmoerner | whoops |
| 22:01.46 | n3kl | karikari: what I mean is you need three active, not two active and one spare |
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| 22:02.02 | cx42 | hi there ! |
| 22:02.07 | angryuser | karikari mak the second one as failed, and the third one should came in |
| 22:02.10 | n3kl | karikari: if you plan to add one later, use the missing keyword |
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| 22:02.22 | angryuser | karikari mark* |
| 22:03.00 | karikari | n3kl: listing the three devices and one as missing doesn't seem to do anythin |
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| 22:03.10 | cx42 | somebody could help me for configuring my php with postfix to send email please ? /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i send correct emails (i tried in console) but nothing is sent by php and i have no log about this problem :( |
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| 22:03.12 | karikari | n3kl: exactly, I need three active and no spare |
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| 22:03.27 | n3kl | karikari: right, then the command you pasted should be what you need |
| 22:03.59 | karikari | yeah, but mdadm --detail /dev/md0 always lists one as "removed" and one spare and the array as "clean, degraded" |
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| 22:04.14 | karikari | really strange |
| 22:04.22 | n3kl | karikari: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 22:04.34 | Daemonik | angryuser, x86_64 |
| 22:04.42 | angryuser | karikari cat /proc/mdstat |
| 22:04.43 | n3kl | karikari: its probably because its being built |
| 22:05.03 | karikari | cat /proc/mdstat lists the three devices and one as spare, doesn't mention it is building |
| 22:05.16 | p1ngp0ng | how come when i kill the apache2 server with the kill "pid" command it starts up more apache processes. at least according to ps aux |
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| 22:05.20 | n3kl | karikari: pase it please? |
| 22:05.26 | n3kl | paste |
| 22:05.38 | angryuser | Daemonik so amd64 is x86_64 ? |
| 22:05.47 | n3kl | karikari: that and mdadm --detail |
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| 22:06.11 | karikari | n3kl: sec |
| 22:06.13 | Daemonik | angryuser, Yes. Intel adopted the same instruction set and called it EMT64, it's referred to as x86_64 by some distros (I think CentOS is one that does this). |
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| 22:07.03 | angryuser | Daemonik thank you, and thank all people that helped me |
| 22:07.23 | p1ngp0ng | anyone? |
| 22:07.24 | karikari | n3kl and angryuser: http://dpaste.com/73820 |
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| 22:08.04 | cx42 | anybody can help me ? :/ |
| 22:08.21 | karikari | p1ngp0ng: you didn't kill the process creating the other processess? Try killall apache2 |
| 22:09.12 | p1ngp0ng | i tried to kill it, but instead it created more apache processes. i will try killall |
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| 22:09.36 | angryuser | cx42 try to join #postfix |
| 22:09.40 | n3kl | karikari: try destroying the array and recreating it. Looks correct to me, but I don't know why that one is removed |
| 22:09.56 | p1ngp0ng | that did it |
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| 22:10.31 | n3kl | p1ngp0ng: apache forks many servers if that is what you are asking about. If not, nevermind |
| 22:10.55 | angryuser | karikari and if you try to add the third device after, what mdadm tell you ? |
| 22:11.05 | p1ngp0ng | no, i just wanted to kill/stop the server. |
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| 22:11.28 | angryuser | karikari dont forget to remove it before |
| 22:11.36 | p1ngp0ng | but odly enough. i still get to the "it Works!" page atfer i've killed it |
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| 22:11.43 | cx42 | angryuser: in fact while i was waiting for an answer, i find the problem, but i'm not sure how to fix it :/ Could I tell you what it is (it's very fast to explain) |
| 22:12.06 | n3kl | karikari: you might need something like, mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --devices=3 |
| 22:12.19 | n3kl | karikari: that should kick sdb2 into the active state |
| 22:12.48 | karikari | n3kl angryuser: I tried destroying it and recreating a dozen times :). If I try mdadm --grow -n 3 /dev/md0 I get: "Cannot reshape array without increasing size (yet)." |
| 22:12.49 | n3kl | karikari: though, I don't know why its not there already, you specified 3 evices with 0 spares |
| 22:12.58 | angryuser | cx42 i am total 0 in postfix, i think people in postfix channel have more knowledge |
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| 22:13.13 | cx42 | ok thank you :) |
| 22:13.49 | angryuser | karikari hm let me search a min |
| 22:13.50 | n3kl | karikari: are you overwriting your current config, or actually destroying the array and then recreating it? |
| 22:13.54 | karikari | n3kl: exactly, this looks strange, maybe it is just rebuilding behind the scenes or something. Should tell though |
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| 22:14.08 | n3kl | karikari: no, it would show up in /proc/mdstat |
| 22:14.13 | karikari | n3kl: I just stop the array and create a new one, I don't have any config written |
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| 22:14.36 | pierre_ | hi |
| 22:14.55 | karikari | I am running sid though, but I didn't have any problems with this a year ago in etch |
| 22:15.02 | p1ngp0ng | do you manage a sql server as root or user? |
| 22:15.05 | pierre_ | I'm on a laptop (debian without gnome/kde only wmii) and when I don't type on keyboard for some minutes, the screen becomes black (screensaver ?). Do you know what it is and how to modify timing please ? |
| 22:15.08 | p1ngp0ng | when creating tables etc |
| 22:15.33 | karikari | pierre_: system -> preferences -> screensaver |
| 22:15.38 | n3kl | karikari: might try to --grow down to two devices, remove sdb from the array, then look at what it looks like, maybe paste |
| 22:16.01 | pierre_ | karikari: I'm on a laptop _(debian without gnome/kde only wmii)_ |
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| 22:17.25 | n3kl | karikari: another thing to note, do the uuids that show up in --detail remain the same between stops and recreates? |
| 22:17.47 | angryuser | karikari and if you dont specify x optiot you still got 1 spare ? |
| 22:17.54 | angryuser | option* |
| 22:18.04 | n3kl | angryuser: yeah, I think he should leave out the -x 0 |
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| 22:18.27 | karikari | n3kl: The uuid seem to change, without x I still get one spare, but when I removed and added sdb2 back I no get none in "removed", just "spare rebuilding" |
| 22:19.02 | karikari | pierre_: sorry, misread, I don't know the solution, sorry. |
| 22:19.31 | n3kl | karikari: I think that is a good thing |
| 22:19.32 | pierre_ | no problem :-) |
| 22:19.44 | dante_2core | takuan, does it work now? |
| 22:19.53 | dante_2core | I really don't have the time now, I'd love to help |
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| 22:20.42 | dante_2core | find every error you can, copy all logs etc together and drop me an email to danteonline@gmail.com, header: takuan apt problem - is that ok? |
| 22:20.45 | dante_2core | takuan, |
| 22:20.55 | unit3 | Hey all... Got an apt configuration question that I can't seem to find an answer to through Google. How do I change what app apt uses to download packages? I want to try out using lftp instead of wget, since its parallel mode is much faster than wget for my local mirror. |
| 22:21.11 | takuan | dante_2core: that's ok |
| 22:21.14 | karikari | n3kl: Yeah, it says rebuilding in mdstat, but gives it six hours to do so. So thank you for tonight, I may be back tomorrow if the problem persists : ) |
| 22:21.18 | angryuser | karikari ok have you tryed to force it ? -f |
| 22:21.21 | takuan | but i'm not finding much at the moment |
| 22:21.23 | dante_2core | takuan, or just come back often and hilite me :P |
| 22:21.43 | n3kl | karikari: sounds good. Good luck |
| 22:21.54 | karikari | angryuser: force what? |
| 22:22.00 | dante_2core | takuan, gotta get those 5 hours of sleep else I'll fall sick again -.- see you soon, good luck, too |
| 22:22.22 | takuan | same thing here |
| 22:22.49 | karikari | angryuser: No mdadm command has refused to do anything, it just doesn't do what it should, if force is needed wouldn't mdadm tell me it refused to do something? |
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| 22:23.49 | angryuser | karikari the raid 5 creation, with -f sometimes it just works , but be sure to specify all 3 drives |
| 22:24.04 | unit3 | keep in mind force will likely destroy data already there... |
| 22:24.13 | unit3 | so if you're just trying to rebuild an existing array, don't do it. ;) |
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| 22:24.27 | angryuser | ^^^yes |
| 22:24.43 | karikari | Yeah, these disks are all empty : ) |
| 22:24.50 | unit3 | ahhh no problem then, just force it. ;) |
| 22:25.18 | karikari | Yeah, I'll try that if this rebuilding process does just result in one spare drive, or something :) |
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| 22:26.37 | orzo | debian needs a snazzy pr campaign to fix its image |
| 22:26.40 | unit3 | but anyway, anyone know how to get apt to use something other than wget? |
| 22:27.08 | unit3 | define "fix" |
| 22:27.35 | orzo | well |
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| 22:29.19 | angryuser | unit3 you can download files by rsync, make a list type by hand ;) |
| 22:29.33 | orzo | its perceived as politically unstable and the os is perceived as often broken or hard to use |
| 22:29.41 | Agent_bob | use curl even |
| 22:29.55 | unit3 | orzo: perceived by who? |
| 22:29.55 | orzo | and nowadays, insecure as well |
| 22:30.05 | unit3 | insecure? really? |
| 22:30.18 | orzo | well that little ssl bug got a lot of attention |
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| 22:30.41 | unit3 | Oh sure, but it also got attention in how quickly it was patched. Compare / contrast to other distros and platforms. |
| 22:30.59 | orzo | ya, it was patched before it was announced |
| 22:31.07 | unit3 | angryuser: yeah, I could, but what I want is to sub in lftp in its parallel mode. |
| 22:31.10 | orzo | but it was unnoticed there for years |
| 22:31.14 | Agent_bob | unit3 time to find was too long tho |
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| 22:31.49 | unit3 | Sure, but it happens to any (and every) platform. See: every windows vuln evar. ;) |
| 22:31.57 | unit3 | It's the response time that's an indicator of support. |
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| 22:32.15 | angryuser | orzo sometimes unnoticed for years is better than noticed for months |
| 22:32.22 | unit3 | Indeed. |
| 22:32.33 | unit3 | But he could be right about bad PR over it, at least in the short term. |
| 22:32.38 | unit3 | Of course, long term it'll even out. |
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| 22:32.50 | n3kl | Who gives a shit about debian pr anyway |
| 22:32.58 | unit3 | And besides, if people want something corporate friendly, they go with CentOS or Ubuntu. |
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| 22:33.09 | unit3 | Debian isn't a distro that survives on corporate contracts. ;) |
| 22:33.18 | karikari | but I always felt debian had the feeling of security and stability |
| 22:33.26 | karikari | debian stable at least |
| 22:33.37 | unit3 | It's one of the reasons it gets as much done as it does, because they aren't busy doing backflips to appease corporate overlords. ;) |
| 22:33.48 | unit3 | That and the thousands of volunteers. |
| 22:33.48 | orzo | ya that reputation for security made it worse |
| 22:34.34 | unit3 | Mind you, compare and contrast with fedora repo compromise, and fedora assurances that "nothing nasty got through". |
| 22:34.51 | Agent_bob | many times i have heard "for a desktop use blah... but for a server use debian" so there is a reputation there. |
| 22:35.05 | unit3 | True, but I don't think this one issue makes it undeserved. |
| 22:35.16 | unit3 | If anything, the quick response keeps that reputation as far as I'm concerned. |
| 22:35.23 | angryuser | any gentoo fans here? ;) |
| 22:35.30 | Sling | probably not |
| 22:35.30 | karikari | hahaha |
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| 22:35.40 | unit3 | haha I used to be when it came out, but then I got tired of fixing my desktop twice a week. :P |
| 22:36.03 | Sling | also, my hobby does not involve watching compile screens |
| 22:36.19 | orzo | the quick response is not really impressive, it was trivial to address once it was noticed. |
| 22:36.55 | orzo | just remove the commenting out of some line of code |
| 22:37.58 | unit3 | orzo: if it's not impressive, then how come every commercial OS has so much trouble responding to vulnerabilities? ;) |
| 22:38.07 | orzo | the thing is that ssl's code affecting its security was touched and probably should have been more rigorously tested or audited or something |
| 22:38.10 | unit3 | There's a lot of organization that goes into making patches available quickly. |
| 22:38.23 | Agent_bob | where is the documentation for ssh ? No manual entry for authorized_keys,id_rsa,id_rsa.pub ??? |
| 22:38.53 | unit3 | In any case, in the long run it's track record, not PR, that matters. |
| 22:38.59 | Agent_bob | and i haven't even rm'd /etc/alternatives yet ;/ |
| 22:39.03 | orzo | debian should adopt a practice of auditing changes to security sensitive packages |
| 22:39.04 | unit3 | Debian's long run track record is good, and will continue to be. |
| 22:39.27 | unit3 | orzo: you mean, as in moreso than the current package auditing and upload practices? |
| 22:39.41 | orzo | i'm not familiar with current practice |
| 22:39.55 | orzo | which is maybe part of the image problem |
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| 22:40.51 | orzo | people just assume debian has a thorough process on that, but then they see this bug |
| 22:41.03 | p1ngp0ng | to install multiple packages with apt-get, do i seperate each package with a ; ? |
| 22:41.03 | orzo | and then they aren't so sure anymore |
| 22:41.12 | unit3 | p1ngp0ng: nope, just by spaces. |
| 22:41.12 | p1ngp0ng | like apt-get isntall pack1;pack2;pack3 |
| 22:41.20 | p1ngp0ng | ah ok |
| 22:41.31 | Agent_bob | p1ngp0ng no spaces |
| 22:41.51 | orzo | i switched to ubuntu a long time ago before all that stuff |
| 22:42.02 | orzo | but i use debian now |
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| 22:42.05 | p1ngp0ng | so apt-get install pack1 pack2 pack3 then? |
| 22:42.09 | karikari | yes |
| 22:42.14 | Agent_bob | p1ngp0ng using ; would make each package a command which would obviously fail many times. |
| 22:42.14 | unit3 | orzo: debian's current procedures are pretty decent, IMO, but of course everything can always have more checks and balances. Compared to other distros and OSes, they're not doing bad. |
| 22:42.15 | p1ngp0ng | ok thanks |
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| 22:42.59 | unit3 | In any case, it's sounding like there's no easy way to use lftp instead of wget for apt-get's downloader? I sort of assumed that'd just be in a config file somewhere, but I can't find it. |
| 22:43.10 | orzo | ubuntu has a reputation for being easier than debian, but i don't see it |
| 22:43.39 | unit3 | On the desktop it has been for me. |
| 22:43.51 | angryuser | orzo if my project was security critical i would go to openbsd ;) |
| 22:43.57 | unit3 | On the server, no, they're pretty comparable. Ubuntu's only advantage is the more often stable releases. |
| 22:43.58 | orzo | heh |
| 22:43.58 | Agent_bob | p1ngp0ng ffr these are all command separators in linux and all do different things ; | < > & || && the redirrects should be obvious. |
| 22:44.55 | Agent_bob | unit3 ubuntu has an advantage ? |
| 22:45.08 | unit3 | Also, keep in mind that any patching or improvements Ubuntu does generally make their way back upstream into the Debian mainline, so there's only usually a release or two of difference. |
| 22:45.19 | unit3 | Agent_bob: I've found it easier to deal with on the desktop, yes. |
| 22:45.28 | unit3 | The more frequent stable releases are a big part of that, though. |
| 22:45.30 | p1ngp0ng | thanks Agent_bob |
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| 22:45.34 | orzo | well i used dapper too long |
| 22:45.38 | orzo | without upgrading |
| 22:45.43 | orzo | and dapper has a lot of problems |
| 22:45.47 | unit3 | Yep. |
| 22:45.57 | unit3 | Dapper was not a great release, which is unfortunate since it was LTS. |
| 22:46.00 | orzo | and then when i go to upgrade of course its no single apt-get command |
| 22:46.08 | Agent_bob | unit3 interesting. i found that the six month cycle was more of a breakage than a help. |
| 22:46.12 | unit3 | No, but their upgrade program works well. |
| 22:46.24 | pickcoder | guys this isn't #ubuntu |
| 22:46.31 | n3kl | pickcoder: thank you! |
| 22:46.37 | dogmeat | were all debian ssh keys wiped? |
| 22:46.44 | unit3 | pickcoder: no, but we're discussing differences between Ubuntu and Debian, since that isn't always clear. Is that a bad thing? |
| 22:46.47 | n3kl | dogmeat: they were blacklisted |
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| 22:46.59 | pickcoder | unit3: then take it to OT |
| 22:47.02 | pickcoder | ~ot |
| 22:47.02 | apt | ot is, like, off topic |
| 22:47.04 | pickcoder | !ot |
| 22:47.04 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 22:47.12 | unit3 | Ahhh gotcha. |
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| 22:47.30 | unit3 | Well, I wish my one on-topic question would be answered then. Are you volunteering? ;) |
| 22:47.31 | orzo | not it doesn't. You can't go from dapper to hardy without either re-installing or upgrading over and over hitting every distro in the alphabet |
| 22:47.46 | dogmeat | n3kl, why did this happen? |
| 22:48.11 | dogmeat | n3kl, checked the debian page, but didnt see any info about this |
| 22:48.15 | unit3 | orzo: compare and contrast to going from Debian r2 to intrepid. ;) |
| 22:48.17 | karikari | unit3: I've never heard of anyone using anything other then wget for apt : ) |
| 22:48.34 | unit3 | karikari: yeah, I'm seeing that, since there's basically nothing on google about doing it. |
| 22:48.40 | Agent_bob | sorry, i dont know how long "a short while" is seeing i only made three statements about ubuntu well two and one question actually |
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| 22:49.04 | unit3 | I guess they just didn't design apt to be modular enough to use a different downloader? That seems somewhat non-debian. |
| 22:49.12 | unit3 | I guess I'll grab the source package and try to see what it's doing. |
| 22:49.37 | orzo | why do you want apt to use curl? |
| 22:49.57 | unit3 | not curl, lftp, because lftp has a parallel download mode that's about 300% faster than wget on my local mirror |
| 22:50.07 | unit3 | So, you know, I'd like a 300% speed increase for free. ;) |
| 22:50.14 | orzo | oh |
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| 22:50.37 | unit3 | I thought it'd be an easy config file change, but it looks like that's not the case. |
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| 22:51.53 | orzo | if you patch apt, make it read a config setting and send the patch upstream |
| 22:51.54 | orzo | heh |
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| 22:53.01 | webmind-org | Goede nacht - can i use wildecards in ip route add prohibit 118.165 |
| 22:53.21 | orzo | how does this channel stay stocked with helpers |
| 22:53.47 | orzo | are there official volunteers to serve as staff here |
| 22:53.48 | Agent_bob | orzo does it ? |
| 22:53.51 | orzo | heh |
| 22:54.04 | unit3 | orzo: heh, I probably will if I get bored enough. I've got about an hour left at work today, so we'll see how far I get. ;) |
| 22:54.11 | barnum | the open source community is masochistic like that |
| 22:54.26 | Agent_bob | :) |
| 22:54.26 | unit3 | lol yep |
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| 22:54.48 | pickcoder | unit3: how does paralellel downloading help if apt grabs one file? |
| 22:54.50 | cx42 | do you know how I could execute a script from /usr/sbin with a non root user ? |
| 22:54.56 | pickcoder | meh |
| 22:54.57 | pickcoder | parallel |
| 22:54.59 | karikari | w |
| 22:55.11 | karikari | (sorry, wong keyboard ;) ) |
| 22:55.13 | orzo | cx42, you need the directory in your path |
| 22:55.15 | unit3 | pickcoder: lots of sites, due to weird server settings, can deliver more bandwidth in parallel than a single connection. |
| 22:55.20 | unit3 | It's stupid, but verifiable. |
| 22:55.30 | barnum | a) use the full path, b) path, c) if you need it executed with root privs, sude |
| 22:55.36 | Agent_bob | cx42 full path /usr/sbin/blah |
| 22:55.39 | cx42 | orzo: I'm not sure to understand :/ which directory ? |
| 22:55.40 | barnum | b) add it to your path... |
| 22:55.41 | pickcoder | unit3: so if you download a file it grabs 3 different segments of the file? |
| 22:55.45 | cx42 | ah ok |
| 22:55.45 | unit3 | My local mirror, I get ~340k/sec over one connection, and about 760k/sec using 4 parallel threads. |
| 22:55.55 | unit3 | pickcoder: yeah, that's what lftp does, or downthemall in firefox. |
| 22:56.11 | unit3 | Breaks it up into even chunks, and downloads them in parallel, and then reassembles. |
| 22:56.12 | cx42 | orzo && Agent_bob, but the chmod for /usr/sbin is d--------- |
| 22:56.23 | karikari | unit3: Isn't the mirror just limiting the speed of each connection? |
| 22:56.24 | orzo | heh |
| 22:56.41 | unit3 | karikari: that's what I thought at first, but I talked to someone who ran one of these mirrors, and they weren't... |
| 22:56.47 | Agent_bob | cx42 hmmm then the admin doesn't want users playing in there |
| 22:57.02 | cx42 | Agent_bob: i'm the admin :D |
| 22:57.04 | unit3 | it may be that ISPs or backbones in between the endpoints are shaping things in some way that makes this more efficient, I don't know. |
| 22:57.17 | cx42 | Agent_bob: in fact I just want to execute /usr/sbin/sendmail ... :p |
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| 22:57.30 | Agent_bob | cx42 then give your self a good cussin for that one. |
| 22:57.50 | orzo | use netcat instead |
| 22:57.50 | orzo | heh |
| 22:57.52 | unit3 | But in any case, it's an easy client-side thing to give me 3-4x speed on nearly every http transfer. |
| 22:58.01 | unit3 | So I'd like to take advantage of it where possible. :) |
| 22:58.07 | meuserj | any ideas why packages.debian.org is so unusably slow? |
| 22:58.09 | cx42 | Agent_bob: cussin ? :p |
| 22:58.21 | Agent_bob | normal perms on /usr/sbin is drwxr-xr-x |
| 22:58.28 | unit3 | meuserj: because that's the main mirror and it's always stupid slow? try using a local mirror instead. |
| 22:58.29 | karikari | cx42: wiktionary : ) |
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| 22:59.24 | meuserj | unit3: I'm using the web interface.. is that available on any of the mirrors? |
| 22:59.36 | cx42 | what ?? :p I'm lost :p |
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| 23:00.20 | Agent_bob | thought he was the only one that used dir perms to keep users out of *sbin/ ... |
| 23:00.33 | cx42 | lol |
| 23:00.40 | barnum | thats very 1998 |
| 23:00.41 | unit3 | meuserj: Oh, I'm sorry. My brain misread that as that you were trying to do apt operations against packages.debian.org. |
| 23:00.53 | cx42 | no but it give me some hard more work :/ |
| 23:00.58 | unit3 | Unfortunately, for the package browsing interface, I think that's the only site it's on. Someone else here can correct me if I'm wrong. |
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| 23:01.09 | unit3 | Sometimes it gets really overloaded, unfortunately. |
| 23:01.12 | unit3 | :( |
| 23:01.46 | sema-4 | just upgraded my debian (lenny) box to find out gdm no is longer working. gdmgreeter dies with segfault. has anyone else experienced this ? |
| 23:02.08 | sema-4 | *no longer |
| 23:02.18 | cx42 | so Agent_bob, how I could do to execute /usr/sbin/sendmail without the root user ? :/ |
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| 23:02.33 | Agent_bob | cx42 you can't |
| 23:03.11 | orzo | why do we bother separating sbin and bin |
| 23:03.12 | unit3 | Oh, this is probably the issue... in the apt code it seems to have a native method for http transfers written in C that's builtin to apt, so it's not actually using wget. |
| 23:03.17 | unit3 | That explains it. |
| 23:03.18 | Agent_bob | cx42 with dir perms d--------- on /usr/sbin no user can do anything there. only the uid=0 account can access that |
| 23:03.32 | cx42 | Agent_bob: oh crap ... the only solution is to set the chmod 755 on usr/sbin ? |
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| 23:03.38 | unit3 | So I'd have to extend that method (and every other one I care about) to do multiple transfer threads if I really want that feature. |
| 23:03.43 | unit3 | Well, that's too bad. :( |
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| 23:03.53 | Speereet | Hello. Is there a conventional setup for iptables rules storing, and loading? By the way, I have a firewall script that is started in runlevels 2-5. I want it to be stopped (/etc/init.d/script stop) on reboot or halt. I'm using sysv-rc-conf to configure the scripts. Should I just add it to runlevels 0 and 6? What is run-level S for? What should I read in order to become _really_ clarified? |
| 23:03.58 | Agent_bob | cx42 or at the very least 001 |
| 23:04.05 | unit3 | later all! |
| 23:04.17 | cx42 | Agent_bob: sticky bit ? |
| 23:04.20 | Agent_bob | cx42 010 if you are in the group |
| 23:04.27 | Agent_bob | no |
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| 23:04.33 | cx42 | ah execute ! |
| 23:04.34 | cx42 | :) |
| 23:04.58 | Agent_bob | 1000 would be sticky you don't want that. |
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| 23:05.07 | cx42 | Agent_bob: okay |
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| 23:05.28 | cx42 | but 001 is less security :/ argl, I need to choose between functional and security ^^ crap |
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| 23:05.55 | Agent_bob | note. i gave the minimal permissions |
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| 23:06.07 | Agent_bob | cx42 010 if you are in the group |
| 23:06.10 | Agent_bob | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.33 | cx42 | and i modify the group of /usr/sbin to set root.www-data ? |
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| 23:07.00 | Agent_bob | www-data ? lord i hope not. |
| 23:07.02 | cx42 | or i set the www-data user to have the root group ? |
| 23:07.08 | karikari | Speereet: Hmm, you don't need to stop the firewall, the rules get cleared at shutdown or reboot. If you want it simple you can just place the firewall rules into a file in /etc/init.d , ignore the start stop commands and run update-rc.d to put it in all the rcX.d directories. Just start your firewall file with clearing all the old rules before applying the new ones |
| 23:07.16 | Agent_bob | and that would be even worse. |
| 23:07.16 | cx42 | Agent_bob: in fact it's for php to send mail via the mail() function :/ |
| 23:07.31 | cx42 | and php have the www-data rights |
| 23:07.38 | Agent_bob | just give the world exec perms |
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| 23:07.50 | cx42 | world = others ? |
| 23:07.50 | dcestari | I'm trying to nat a subnet |
| 23:07.56 | Agent_bob | yeah |
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| 23:08.12 | cx42 | Agent_bob: do you use php, with mail function ? |
| 23:08.30 | Agent_bob | no. i don't even use mail |
| 23:08.47 | Agent_bob | in fact i don't exist. but that's another subject |
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| 23:09.11 | cx42 | Agent_bob: ok |
| 23:09.24 | cx42 | Agent_bob: so I think it's the only solution ... |
| 23:09.30 | cx42 | Agent_bob: thank you for your help !! |
| 23:09.36 | Agent_bob | welcome |
| 23:09.44 | Speereet | karikari: But I change the firewall rules manually, therefore I want to save those rules on shutdown or reboot --- I have written the script so that there's a stop function. What must I read in order to FULLY understand debian's RC setup? (I come from gentoo, where everything is straightforward.) |
| 23:10.12 | cx42 | Agent_bob: just, I just found somebody talking about the setuidbit, do you know about that ? |
| 23:10.28 | karikari | Speereet: what about /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 23:10.37 | karikari | that explains how the init.d files work |
| 23:10.39 | Agent_bob | cx42 you could move the one executable to /usr/local/sbin "which is usually empty and let it run there. hardlink would be better than move. |
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| 23:11.02 | Agent_bob | cx42 yes i know about suid |
| 23:11.11 | cx42 | Agent_bob: the problem is that sendmail call another app (/usr/sbin/postfix) :/ |
| 23:11.23 | cx42 | Agent_bob: and suid could be better than 001 chmod ? |
| 23:11.26 | Agent_bob | cx42 it's how normal users do things as root generally |
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| 23:12.18 | dcestari | hello |
| 23:12.30 | karikari | hi |
| 23:12.39 | cx42 | Agent_bob: which one you would choose, suid or 001 chmod ? |
| 23:12.41 | Sling | aloha |
| 23:12.43 | dcestari | I'm trying to nat a subnet of my network with this "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.0.0.0/24 -o br0 -j MASQUERADE" is this even possible |
| 23:13.00 | Agent_bob | cx42 in my openion. if you are worried about security in /usr/sbin you would be better off hardlinking to some place you are not scared of. but suid is not the answer there. and i'll quit right there. |
| 23:13.10 | karikari | dcestari: I I belive so |
| 23:13.24 | cx42 | Agent_bob: ok, so thank you for your help :) |
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| 23:14.00 | lindenle | Can anyone help me with dependency problems? |
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| 23:14.04 | oklinux_ | I just installed mozilla firefox but I cant find the icon |
| 23:14.40 | karikari | dcestari: you also need to do: echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 23:14.54 | abrotman | lindenle: we need actual information |
| 23:15.16 | dcestari | karikari: I did it, but it doesn't work |
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| 23:15.49 | lindenle | abrotman: I am trying to install kde4 from experimental and it is complaining about missing dependencies which are packages available in experimental, i just want it to take care of this itself...but do not know how |
| 23:15.57 | enouf | cx42: actually, here /usr/sbin/sendmal is a symlink to /usr/sbin/exim4 which is setuid root |
| 23:16.08 | abrotman | lindenle: #debian-kde |
| 23:16.20 | Speereet | karikari: My question isn't about writing RC scripts, is how I set them up. |
| 23:16.36 | Agent_bob | now i'll get back to trying to configure the admin account on a server for ssh keys. wish i knew the syntax and how important it was in authorized_keys,id_rsa,id_rsa.pub files... |
| 23:16.54 | lindenle | abrotman: good point |
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| 23:17.13 | karikari | Speereet: You just place them in the /etc/init.d/ directory and then use the update-rc.d command for setting them up? |
| 23:17.48 | Agent_bob | or call them from /etc/rc.local |
| 23:17.51 | karikari | dcestari: but from locally you can get to the internet and the subnet can get to you? |
| 23:18.33 | dcestari | karikari: I can get to the subnet, but the subnet can't reach the internet |
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| 23:19.57 | Speereet | karikari: What is the hierarchy of numbered RC levels, and what is RC S for? |
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| 23:20.44 | Agent_bob | rcS is system startup runs at boot for all runlevels but only at boot. |
| 23:21.11 | karikari | Speereet: man init |
| 23:21.15 | Agent_bob | i'm not karikari but i know that one so i'll but in. |
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| 23:21.29 | skfarek | hi |
| 23:21.29 | Speereet | Thanks, karikari, Agent_bob. ;-) |
| 23:21.36 | skfarek | folks |
| 23:21.50 | cx42 | Agent_bob: the problem with the hard link is the sendmail app that I link call another app in /usr/sbin and I can't modify it :/ |
| 23:22.02 | skfarek | i checked out the svn-trunk and i want to use dh_make but i can't because i don't have tarball ;) |
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| 23:22.37 | skfarek | how to solve it? |
| 23:22.50 | cbk486 | Hello, I have recenty installed debian lenny, and when I installed the rt73-common package and i386 module along with the firmware for my wusb54gc rt73 card, it worked by configuring it with the command line the first time. On reboot, when I use the cli to configure it(ifconfig, iwconfig, dhclient) the system locks up when I type dhclient wlan0 after not being able to connect to anything. My keyboard no longer works. How can I fix this? |
| 23:22.50 | PhrkOnLsh | what is the command to get xgl info? |
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| 23:23.02 | PhrkOnLsh | i thouhht it was xglinfo but cant find it |
| 23:23.06 | skfarek | PhrkOnLsh: glxinfo |
| 23:23.09 | Agent_bob | cx42 so give the world perms to exec /usr/sbin seems your only choice if you insist on doing that. |
| 23:23.23 | PhrkOnLsh | doy, thanks, skfarek |
| 23:23.56 | skfarek | who know how to use dh_make :) |
| 23:24.00 | cbk486 | !rt73 |
| 23:24.00 | dpkg | The legacy driver for Ralink RT2573/RT2671 (rt73) is at http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT73_Linux_STA_Drv1.0.4.0.tar.gz. Enhanced legacy driver is at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt73-cvs-daily.tar.gz (the required 'rt73.bin' firmware file is included). Also ask me about <rt2x00>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 |
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| 23:24.03 | karikari | dcestari: That seems strange, sure no other iptables rules or policies are interfering? Sure the out traffic is through br0? |
| 23:24.03 | PhrkOnLsh | hm, somehow my xgl shit got uninstalled :( |
| 23:24.15 | dmoerner | cbk486: what is the output in dmesg when yourun modprobe rt73 or whatever the module is |
| 23:24.21 | dmoerner | skfarek: what is your problem? |
| 23:24.25 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: xgl isn't in debian .. and IIRC mostly dead |
| 23:24.47 | skfarek | dmoerner: i checked out the trunk and can't use dh_make because i don't have a tarball |
| 23:24.52 | cx42 | Agent_bob: ok ... thank you man ... now I'm go to bed ... |
| 23:24.54 | dcestari | karikari: sure |
| 23:25.04 | skfarek | dmoerner: normally i use -f tarball |
| 23:25.11 | PhrkOnLsh | abrotman: well, my nividia drivers i had are gone, rather, then |
| 23:25.25 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: and how did you install them? |
| 23:25.32 | enouf | sleep well dear ;-) |
| 23:25.34 | skfarek | dmoerner: can i just use -n onstead? |
| 23:25.43 | cx42 | Bye ! |
| 23:25.43 | skfarek | s/onstead/instead |
| 23:26.06 | dmoerner | skfarek: it should create a tarball if no .orig.tar.gz is specified |
| 23:26.25 | skfarek | dmoerner: so run dh_make -e email -s -n ? |
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| 23:26.49 | dmoerner | skfarek: well you might as well set DEBEMAIL=whatever in your .bashrc if you will use dh_make. then just "dh_make" will be enough |
| 23:26.59 | skfarek | ok |
| 23:27.16 | skfarek | dmoerner: but what about -n option? if i don't pass it, i get the error |
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| 23:27.45 | karikari | dcestari: Sorry, I haven't done this often enough to realize what is wrong, and I really have to go, good luck |
| 23:28.21 | skfarek | the other think is, i use ./configure but dpkg-buildpackage overwrite my settings, strange for me |
| 23:28.27 | karikari | bye bye and thanks for all the help |
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| 23:29.11 | dmoerner | skfarek: dpkg-buildpackage does it all for you. if an extra ./configure call is required the package does not sanely build from source and is rejected |
| 23:29.13 | cbk486 | !pastebin |
| 23:29.14 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 23:29.31 | dmoerner | skfarek: dh_make --createorig is what you want |
| 23:29.37 | lindenle | abrotman: in general I think it is an apt-get issue, I need to enable the experimental repository to resolve the dependencies |
| 23:30.04 | abrotman | lindenle: i thought you already did that to install kde4 ? |
| 23:30.10 | skfarek | ok |
| 23:30.10 | cbk486 | dmoerner: http://paste.lisp.org/display/65845 |
| 23:30.21 | cbk486 | !kde |
| 23:30.21 | dpkg | it has been said that kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>. KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels |
| 23:30.26 | lindenle | abrotman: I added experimental to sources and use -t switch to apt-get |
| 23:30.30 | dcestari | thanks! |
| 23:30.43 | abrotman | lindenle: paste the apt-get/aptitude output |
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| 23:31.21 | lindenle | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1184780 |
| 23:31.35 | abrotman | eww .. canadian |
| 23:31.40 | skfarek | dmoerner: misunderstood, so if i need to add extra options in ./configure where/how should i do? |
| 23:31.57 | lindenle | abrotman: it cascades from there if i do start to put them in by hand |
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| 23:32.03 | dmoerner | skfarek: add to the ./configure call in debian/rules. if it uses cdbs then you set the variable |
| 23:32.06 | abrotman | lindenle: i'm sure it does .. tried pinnign ? |
| 23:32.18 | abrotman | lindenle: somewhere along the line .. there must be a completely uninstallable package |
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| 23:32.33 | lindenle | abrotman: er? |
| 23:32.39 | skfarek | dmoerner: when i added there, i got the other errors ;) |
| 23:32.49 | lindenle | abrotman: can you explain the last word above? |
| 23:32.56 | dmoerner | skfarek: what "other errors" |
| 23:33.13 | abrotman | lindenle: pinning or package? |
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| 23:33.36 | skfarek | dmoerner: looks more as an internal errors: plugins.c:198: bÅÄ
d: `_POSIX_PATH_MAX, undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 23:33.42 | lindenle | labrotman: ike PIN: 1001 |
| 23:34.01 | enouf | lindenle: are you running lenny? |
| 23:34.03 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 23:34.04 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning, http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html. If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 23:34.16 | lindenle | enouf: mixed sid and lenny |
| 23:34.26 | dmoerner | skfarek: sounds like some problem with headers |
| 23:34.32 | zinx | lindenle: that.. is a good way to break your system |
| 23:34.44 | lindenle | zinx: it is a test system anyway |
| 23:34.46 | zinx | lindenle: safer to run sid only probably. |
| 23:34.46 | enouf | lindenle: /msg dpkg kde4 .. oh, well, not sure - see kde4.debian.net |
| 23:35.06 | abrotman | zinx: and he added in experimental :) |
| 23:35.13 | zinx | abrotman: oh lords |
| 23:35.14 | lindenle | BOOM |
| 23:35.19 | zinx | lindenle: keep the pieces. |
| 23:35.31 | skfarek | dmoerner: ok, let's start from the beginning. i checked out the trunk. it's ekg2 directory, i run ./autogen.sh, what next? |
| 23:35.38 | lindenle | zinx: sorry I should have said I am pinned to lenny |
| 23:35.43 | lindenle | with a few sid packages |
| 23:35.55 | dmoerner | make? |
| 23:36.00 | zinx | lindenle: that doesn't make it any better |
| 23:36.03 | enouf | skfarek: ./configure --help |
| 23:36.16 | dcestari | anyone, could you help me with a networking problem? |
| 23:36.18 | zinx | lindenle: and adding experimental is definitely going to fubar your system. that's what experimental's all about even when being used properly (with sid) |
| 23:36.26 | skfarek | i run autogen with my options |
| 23:36.30 | lindenle | ok i will use backports then |
| 23:36.35 | lindenle | see if that works |
| 23:36.38 | cbk486 | dmoerner: http://paste.lisp.org/display/65845 |
| 23:37.08 | dmoerner | skfarek: if it uses autogen then you don't run ./configure |
| 23:37.13 | PhrkOnLsh | abrotman: with some sgfxi script case the nvidia driver doesn't like the kernel's xen options |
| 23:37.17 | skfarek | i don't |
| 23:37.23 | dmoerner | you said you did |
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| 23:37.29 | skfarek | so comment the line from debian/rules ? |
| 23:37.35 | enouf | wait, one of the autogen makes a configure |
| 23:37.56 | skfarek | enouf: do you ask or what? |
| 23:37.57 | enouf | i thought it was autogen.sh |
| 23:38.00 | dmoerner | skfarek: why don't you just pastebin debian/rules |
| 23:38.06 | skfarek | sure i can |
| 23:38.18 | dmoerner | cbk486: i don't know what's wrong with that backtrace |
| 23:38.20 | skfarek | dmoerner: ok, so dh_make -e email ? |
| 23:38.23 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: bad idea |
| 23:38.29 | cbk486 | :( |
| 23:38.30 | dmoerner | dh_make --createorig -e email |
| 23:38.44 | skfarek | The directory name must be <package>-<version> for dh_make to work! |
| 23:38.55 | dmoerner | ok. then change it. |
| 23:38.56 | enouf | skfarek: do i ask what? |
| 23:39.00 | abrotman | !nvidia xen |
| 23:39.00 | dpkg | export IGNORE_XEN_PRESENCE=1 helps |
| 23:39.16 | enouf | heh |
| 23:39.29 | enouf | what a workaround :-P |
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| 23:40.20 | gunzip | /aprt |
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| 23:40.28 | Alumin | anyone here good with APT pinning (/etc/apt/preferences)? I'm trying to set things up where I have a local directory of packages that are pinned to that particular source, but I'll still get a "such-and-such package has been held back" when there's an updated version in the repositories |
| 23:40.29 | skfarek | http://a.allxages.com/rules |
| 23:40.57 | enouf | check your hold settings? |
| 23:41.19 | skfarek | there aren't my settings (in 28 line) |
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| 23:42.04 | dmoerner | skfarek: it looks like dh_make isn't using the right method. if you use autogen.sh to configure the package you should change the configure section to represent this |
| 23:42.33 | dcestari | hello, I have two bridges I want to nat does attached to one, to the other |
| 23:42.36 | skfarek | dmoerner: do you mean to modify the ./configure from the debian/rules to the one i wish to use? |
| 23:42.40 | dmoerner | yes |
| 23:43.11 | skfarek | dmoerner: what about --host --build options? leave it or remove it? |
| 23:43.29 | dmoerner | test it and see |
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| 23:46.58 | skfarek | :( |
| 23:47.00 | skfarek | doesn't work |
| 23:47.25 | skfarek | http://rafb.net/p/xgcgaW85.html |
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| 23:48.18 | dmoerner | skfarek: do you have the build depends installed? |
| 23:48.36 | skfarek | yeah |
| 23:48.46 | skfarek | i think |
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| 23:50.45 | PhrkOnLsh | abrotman: tkz |
| 23:51.30 | skfarek | dmoerner: any idea? :) |
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| 23:54.52 | lymeca | Is there a stock lenny Xen kernel for amd64 yet? |
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| 23:55.36 | abrotman | lymeca: they all are? |
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| 23:56.48 | lymeca | abrotman: How do you mean? |
| 23:57.15 | PhrkOnLsh | abrotman: even after exporting IGNORE_XEN_PRESENCE=1 the nvidia installer fails building the kernel on xen related stuff |
| 23:58.14 | abrotman | lymeca: i thouhgt all lenny kernels were now xen enabled |
| 23:58.23 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: any useful error? or still xen related? |
| 23:58.43 | lymeca | abrotman: I was not aware. Are they capable of acting as dom0 or domU? Where can I read about this? |
| 23:59.00 | abrotman | lymeca: in the package docs perhaps? |
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| 23:59.17 | lymeca | abrotman: Can I read those on the web? |
| 23:59.48 | abrotman | don't think so |