| 00:00.16 | streuner | sure, i used it, but it didn't work, basically it *should* work with xfs |
| 00:00.31 | davidX- | i saw partman-xfs |
| 00:00.36 | davidX- | but can't find documentation on it |
| 00:00.36 | streuner | hm |
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| 00:01.33 | streuner | cafuego: playing tonight with your irc-client? :-P |
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| 00:02.00 | cafuego | streuner: Decrufting cfg file |
| 00:02.13 | cafuego | Went from 40-odd channels to 35. |
| 00:02.46 | ascklnascv | hi everyone, i want to chenge the kernel version of debian etch, ofcorse i dont want compile, can u help me plis |
| 00:02.56 | streuner | nah, "went from 35 useless into one good" :-P |
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| 00:05.39 | davidX- | also, what's the best place to load my preseed file at? i have tftpboot and dhcp up.. one document says to put it in default: append etc and another says i can do it somehow form dhcp? |
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| 00:05.52 | jelly-home | streuner: that'd imply this channel was any good |
| 00:05.55 | streuner | ascklnascv: why? |
| 00:06.05 | abrotman | ascklnascv: etch has a .18 and .24 available |
| 00:06.13 | ascklnascv | yes |
| 00:06.21 | ascklnascv | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.23 | streuner | jelly: well, there 2 options, 1) you cannot unterstand english, 2) my english sucks |
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| 00:06.34 | ascklnascv | but i cant see with apt-cache |
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| 00:07.15 | abrotman | ascklnascv: apt-cache search etchnhalf |
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| 00:07.57 | ascklnascv | ok |
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| 00:08.34 | ascklnascv | thanx |
| 00:08.37 | cafuego | streuner: welly uor enlisch isn'twh adi wuold cal purfect |
| 00:08.47 | cafuego | runs |
| 00:08.53 | streuner | cafuego: hehe |
| 00:08.57 | jelly-home | och aye |
| 00:09.26 | cafuego | bops jelly-home on the head with a raw haggis |
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| 00:09.52 | streuner | cafuego: well, most people unterstood me very well, but some doesn't :-) |
| 00:10.07 | streuner | strange |
| 00:10.08 | abrotman | understand me ? |
| 00:10.11 | abrotman | don't |
| 00:10.21 | streuner | see ^^^ |
| 00:10.22 | ascklnascv | abrotman: apt-cache search etchnhalf=empty |
| 00:10.34 | abrotman | ascklnascv: did you aptitude update first ? |
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| 00:10.40 | ascklnascv | bad repositories? |
| 00:10.43 | ascklnascv | yes |
| 00:11.03 | jelly-home | ascklnascv: then yes. there ought to be something in etch main. |
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| 00:12.41 | ascklnascv | something in etch main? |
| 00:12.53 | ascklnascv | main repository? |
| 00:13.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:14.13 | Orion_X11 | Hi, I installed testing, but I'd like to downgrade to stable. How could I do it without breaking my system? Is it as simple as changing my source.list to stable? |
| 00:14.36 | cafuego | streuner: just mocking you |
| 00:14.37 | streuner | just wait till lenny is stable ;-) |
| 00:15.10 | amphi | Orion_X11: you could just wait; testing will be stable RSN ;) |
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| 00:15.22 | Orion_X11 | streuner: It will take a long time, I think. |
| 00:15.28 | cafuego | Orion_X11: To be honest, I wouldn't. It' won't be testing for that much longer. otherwise you're looking at a full reinstall. |
| 00:15.29 | streuner | nah |
| 00:15.38 | zipper | as usual, a 20-30 year waiting period is to be expected |
| 00:15.54 | cafuego | has been using lenny in production for a while now and the amount of updates has slowed down a lot recently. |
| 00:15.54 | dvs | yup |
| 00:15.54 | streuner | zipper: well, help to fix bugs |
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| 00:16.14 | ascklnascv | brotman: you are right, thanx a lot |
| 00:17.16 | zipper | streuner, it wasnt an attack on debian, it does what its supposed to do. If i wanted regular new releases every 6 months, i'd be running another distro |
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| 00:18.06 | streuner | well, you should unterstand then, what Debian is |
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| 00:18.38 | streuner | and YOU are part of Debian |
| 00:18.41 | zipper | and i dont? |
| 00:19.04 | zipper | all i did was making a joke out it, jesus |
| 00:19.24 | Saar | i think etch is pretty up to date... |
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| 00:21.20 | Saar | and STABLE |
| 00:21.25 | Saar | very important :) |
| 00:21.29 | Orion_X11 | I just downloaded the new testing. How do I know which release is this? RC(?) |
| 00:22.01 | abrotman | Orion_X11: it's rolling .. |
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| 00:22.18 | abrotman | Orion_X11: make sure your sources point at lenny .. and make sure it stays up to date |
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| 00:29.24 | davidX- | hmm, so i tried to netboot and have it grab my preseed but it didn't work... it was still asking questions that should have been covered, what am i doing wrong ? here's where i'm passing it LABEL etch_amd64_install kernel debian/etch/amd64/linux append vga=normal initrd=debian/etch/amd64/initrd.gz ramdisk_size=16384 |
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| 00:29.30 | davidX- | DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical preseed/url=http://192.168.1.50/preseed.cfg |
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| 00:41.09 | streuner | zipper: if that's a joke, it was a really bad joke. well, i didn't see many messages of you, so i cannot know you very well... |
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| 00:43.26 | hobophobe | Anyone using Iceweasel 3 that can tell me if the selected text in the location bar is reversed colors from all other textboxes selected text? |
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| 00:45.00 | amphi | hobophobe: that would depend on your gtk theme, I would think |
| 00:46.19 | hobophobe | well all other textboxes including here in Xchat, selected text is bright green background with redish text and in the firefox location bar only it's redish background and bright green text |
| 00:46.19 | hobophobe | I'm just trying to figure if it's something with my install or if it's supposed to be that way or a bug, etc. |
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| 00:47.33 | sifi_ | why does mercurial want to install x11? |
| 00:47.48 | sifi_ | or a better question is how do you get mercurial not to install x11? |
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| 00:48.18 | abrotman | sifi_: in etch? |
| 00:48.42 | streuner | !depends mercurial |
| 00:48.44 | sifi_ | abrotman, yes |
| 00:49.12 | abrotman | sifi_: are you using aptitude ? |
| 00:49.12 | streuner | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), python (<< 2.6), python (>= 2.4), python-support (>= 0.7.1), ucf (>= 2.0020), mercurial-common (= 1.0.1-4) |
| 00:49.24 | sifi_ | yeah I was using aptitude |
| 00:49.30 | dpkg | mercurial: depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1), python (<< 2.6), python (>= 2.4), python-support (>= 0.7.1), ucf (>= 2.0020), mercurial-common (= 1.0.1-5) |
| 00:49.44 | abrotman | sifi_: i'd rather guess it's a recommends thing .. since it recommends one of |
| 00:49.56 | abrotman | Recommends: rcs | kdiff3 | tkdiff | meld, python-beaker |
| 00:50.14 | sifi_ | abrotman, recommends all the packages for about 49.4 mb |
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| 00:50.43 | sifi_ | apt-get worked fine.. why does aptitude want to bloat my system? |
| 00:50.45 | abrotman | sifi_: if you `aptitude -R install mercurial` |
| 00:50.50 | abrotman | does it still try to install X ? |
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| 00:51.34 | sifi_ | yeah I will pastie it. |
| 00:52.26 | sifi_ | http://pastie.org/260635 |
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| 00:52.52 | abrotman | sifi_: i said with -R |
| 00:52.56 | sifi_ | abrotman, this is also on a openvz box |
| 00:53.12 | sifi_ | oh.. didn't see that. |
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| 00:53.38 | streuner | Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] n <-- hrhr |
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| 00:54.10 | sifi_ | abrotman, with -R option it didn't want to install x11 |
| 00:54.21 | sifi_ | streuner, what does hrhr mean? |
| 00:54.34 | abrotman | hrhr mean? |
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| 00:54.40 | streuner | stronger haha |
| 00:54.44 | abrotman | it's like a laugh .. but not on AOL |
| 00:55.16 | sifi_ | well hrhr |
| 00:55.22 | streuner | hehe |
| 00:55.57 | abrotman | still doesn't get it |
| 00:56.11 | abrotman | but anyways .. man aptitude .. -R is without recommends |
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| 00:57.01 | curtmack | Okay, just one last step on this journey of discovery... |
| 00:57.07 | curtmack | I need to install grub on /dev/sda1 |
| 00:57.10 | curtmack | what's the best way to do that? |
| 00:57.19 | abrotman | grub-install ? |
| 00:57.33 | curtmack | oh yeah, someone pasted a command in here earlier |
| 00:58.54 | curtmack | all right, that's going |
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| 00:59.25 | curtmack | k, moment of truth |
| 01:01.04 | streuner | abrotman: don't be sad, you cannot know everything :-P |
| 01:01.16 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 01:02.17 | streuner | well, its late here, iam going into bed now, night |
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| 01:17.37 | the_plumber | im running oldstable and cant get some pdf files to print, so im manually converting them using pdftoppm. how do i print ppm from the commandline? |
| 01:18.44 | the_plumber | tried to google linux printing ppm but all i get is "pages per minute" |
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| 01:20.17 | davidX- | hmm, i think my whole preseed approach is wrong |
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| 01:24.09 | nmh_2Grajw | the_plumber: have you tried converting to ps, and using lpr? or have you tried searching for "linux printing images" |
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| 01:24.33 | davidX- | does anyone else do a tftpd/dhcp pxe based preseed? |
| 01:24.58 | the_plumber | nmh_2Grajw: i first tried with pdf2ps and that worked, but the last pages of the doc are landscape and they wont print, so the doc is 5 pages but i only get 3 |
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| 01:26.06 | the_plumber | this is a cludge so i want to setup gentoo fm to print automagically |
| 01:26.28 | nmh_2Grajw | the_plumber: oh, hmmm you need to do this from the command line only? |
| 01:26.39 | the_plumber | yes |
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| 01:27.42 | the_plumber | pdf2ppm gets all the pages, so i figured i would just create a batch file that outputs the pdf to ppm files in a temp directory, then the batch prints everything in the temp dir, then deletes all in the temp dir |
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| 01:27.59 | nmh_2Grajw | the_plumber: ooc, how are you printing some of the pages? |
| 01:28.03 | jester45 | may i ask why you are asking here about gentoo? i dont have a problem with it just wondering |
| 01:28.26 | dmoerner | jester45: he means gentoo fm |
| 01:28.28 | dmoerner | !info gentoo |
| 01:28.30 | dpkg | gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.56-1 (sid), Packaged size: 766 kB, Installed size: 2276 kB |
| 01:28.32 | the_plumber | jester45: im not asking about gentoo, by gentoo i mean "gentoo filemanager" |
| 01:28.39 | cast | i have two identical systems, to be setup identically. i'm just going to dd if->system1/dev/sda of->system2/dev/sda aside from regenerating sshd keys, is there anything else i should remember to do on system2? |
| 01:28.46 | jester45 | oo |
| 01:28.54 | the_plumber | nmh_2Grajw: just with lpr hopefully |
| 01:28.59 | the_plumber | cusp |
| 01:29.06 | abrotman | cast: hostname ? |
| 01:29.06 | the_plumber | cups |
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| 01:29.17 | cast | abrotman: ahh, good call. |
| 01:29.23 | jester45 | cast, name ip address |
| 01:29.35 | cast | fortunately its setup to use dhcp |
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| 01:29.44 | the_plumber | lpr temp.gs |
| 01:30.38 | jester45 | cast, i guess dd will copy the mbr so... hope grub works ive noticed grub is picky about things compared to the rest of linux |
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| 01:30.52 | jester45 | cast, check fstab to make sure you not mounting via uuid |
| 01:31.05 | cast | is mounting via uuid a problem? |
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| 01:31.35 | jester45 | the drives should have a diffrent uuid |
| 01:31.54 | jester45 | ithink so |
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| 01:33.16 | cast | hmm, well, i think i'm using /dev/sda in fstab anyway :) |
| 01:33.31 | lfamorim | How to set recursively 755 for folder and 644 for archive? |
| 01:33.43 | lfamorim | chmod permission |
| 01:33.45 | squisher | lfamorim, man find |
| 01:33.47 | pipeline | lfamorim: find with -type f and -type d predicates |
| 01:33.58 | lfamorim | ? |
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| 01:34.21 | lfamorim | I don't understand bash very well |
| 01:34.25 | pipeline | find is a command |
| 01:34.32 | pipeline | you will need to google and find a tutorial on find. |
| 01:34.42 | pipeline | find with the -type f/d and -exec predicates will do what you want. |
| 01:35.00 | squisher | I'm trying to follow a backtrace into the gtk sources, but the source lines for gtk are all off... does anyone know how I can get the appropriate gtk sources? |
| 01:35.11 | pipeline | squisher: apt-get source ? :P |
| 01:35.28 | squisher | pipeline, that's what I'm doing already! =) They're off though :-( |
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| 01:35.48 | pipeline | squisher: build your own gtk lib with debug symbols :( |
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| 01:36.02 | squisher | pipeline, uhm, a tad too much trouble... |
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| 01:36.37 | squisher | shouldn't apt-get source give me exactly what was used to create my debian package? |
| 01:36.43 | squisher | I don't get how the lines could be off :-\ |
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| 01:36.54 | lfamorim | squisher, return find: faltando argumento para `-exec' |
| 01:37.08 | abrotman | squisher: yes |
| 01:37.10 | lfamorim | missing argument |
| 01:37.26 | lfamorim | I use: find -type d -exec chmod 755 |
| 01:37.40 | lfamorim | and: find -type d -exec "chmod 755" |
| 01:37.48 | squisher | abrotman, then why does my backtrace tell me there's a function call on a line where I only find a closing braket? |
| 01:38.03 | abrotman | includes? |
| 01:38.20 | squisher | lfamorim, that's not quite right => find <DIR> -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \; |
| 01:38.32 | lfamorim | ah |
| 01:38.56 | squisher | abrotman, afaik __LINE__ etc gets expanded before includes, it's accurate in my sources (which have includes) |
| 01:39.34 | abrotman | squisher: nope .. then NFC |
| 01:39.45 | squisher | crap :-\ |
| 01:39.58 | abrotman | squisher: doesn't it show the broken line? |
| 01:39.59 | squisher | abrotman, thanks anyways |
| 01:40.14 | squisher | yeah, I guess I'll just search for the function call manually |
| 01:40.20 | nmh_2Grajw | the_plumber: if you are still working at this, you might try something like: |
| 01:40.23 | nmh_2Grajw | gs -c '612 0 translate 90 rotate' -f somefile.ps |
| 01:40.31 | lfamorim | squisher, tks |
| 01:40.37 | nmh_2Grajw | ref: http://www.ghostscript.com/pipermail/bug-gs/2001-August/000655.html |
| 01:40.49 | lfamorim | squisher, You are my master |
| 01:40.53 | the_plumber | nmh_2Grajw: i think i found the problem, when i use pdftops i just get lines where text should be, when i use pdf2ps it looks fine |
| 01:41.00 | squisher | lfamorim, :-P no problem |
| 01:41.16 | nmh_2Grajw | the_plumber: well, at least it is working for you |
| 01:41.29 | the_plumber | not yet, kpdf still shows lines. |
| 01:41.35 | the_plumber | ty though |
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| 01:41.45 | the_plumber | gs has sooooo many options |
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| 01:45.18 | hikenboot | hello all--I read somewhere that woody was ported to uclibc , is there a 64 bit version? |
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| 01:45.44 | pobega | How can I check the library environment path? I need to make sure /usr/local/lib is in the path variable |
| 01:46.32 | dbmoodb | hi there how does one turn off lennys recommends getting.... |
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| 01:46.49 | amal029 | echo $LD_LIBRARY_ATH, or just add it export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib |
| 01:46.58 | the_plumber | nmh_2Grajw: so it seems that pdf2ps and pdftops are two different animals, the former being a shell script |
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| 01:47.24 | squisher | hikenboot, check packages.debian.org? |
| 01:48.56 | nmh_2Grajw | the_plumber: I hadn't looked that closely at them (or gs/gv), most of what I work with has a gui, so I can use, say, iceweasel to print ppm/png/etc.. (or transfer the file to a different computer if I really need to) |
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| 01:53.40 | dbmoodb | !lenny toaster |
| 01:53.52 | dbmoodb | .. |
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| 01:56.10 | Nyle | hey am I online? |
| 01:56.11 | Nyle | !ping |
| 01:56.11 | dpkg | pong |
| 01:56.13 | Nyle | oh |
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| 01:59.41 | amal029 | that ping pong thing made me laugh |
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| 01:59.57 | cast | you must be new here |
| 02:00.06 | jester45 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.07 | Nyle | I lag a lot |
| 02:00.12 | amal029 | no just makes me laugh every time |
| 02:00.17 | Nyle | and do you lag too also? |
| 02:00.18 | Nyle | maybe? |
| 02:00.36 | Nyle | cast, what is up in the world of #debian today? |
| 02:00.54 | davidX- | any preseeders? |
| 02:00.57 | cast | compiling e17 |
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| 02:00.59 | Nyle | is debian improve yet or does it suck more than ubutnu? |
| 02:01.04 | Nyle | still suck |
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| 02:01.07 | Nyle | ? |
| 02:01.14 | Orbixx | Er. |
| 02:01.21 | Orbixx | You know Ubuntu is based on Debian? |
| 02:01.24 | Orbixx | Without Debian... No Ubuntu? |
| 02:01.27 | Nyle | what |
| 02:01.29 | Nyle | no way |
| 02:01.31 | Orbixx | Yes. |
| 02:01.33 | abrotman | Orbixx: ignore him .. he's being a tard |
| 02:01.38 | Nyle | oh man |
| 02:01.38 | Orbixx | Congratulations on being the tool of the month. |
| 02:01.42 | Nyle | for the first time |
| 02:01.44 | Nyle | EVER ! |
| 02:01.49 | Nyle | I was successfull in trolling omg! |
| 02:01.56 | abrotman | Nyle: you can stop now |
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| 02:02.04 | cast | see the wrong thing to say would be 'i have a tool to go in your mouth' |
| 02:02.05 | pickcoder | Orbixx: I think that medal has been given out 100 times already this month |
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| 02:03.13 | Nyle | abrotman, you said one I should give up cuz I can't troll :) but anyway... |
| 02:03.19 | Nyle | once* |
| 02:03.29 | pickcoder | Nyle: go solve the knapsack packing problem for me |
| 02:03.54 | cast | and read what you type before pressing enter, too :o |
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| 02:04.23 | Nyle | pickcoder, I'm working on this uml book ... just taking a little break to see whats up in the world of sid how many packages are getting updated, how much mb I have to download, tweaking some cron, etc. etc. you know, then going back to OOP and UML... |
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| 02:04.50 | cast | i can do oop, what does uml get me? |
| 02:05.10 | cast | i like the idea of uml as in the linux port :> |
| 02:05.16 | Nyle | cast, I'm sure wikipedia can tell you as its not related to #debian support. |
| 02:05.27 | Nyle | cast, ##oop? |
| 02:05.55 | cast | i find the comment regarding not being related to #debian support to be somewhat ironic ;P |
| 02:06.12 | Nyle | cast, that was the point... thanks for taking it light heartedly :) |
| 02:06.40 | abrotman | cast: one UML is .. one isn't |
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| 02:07.10 | mmlj4 | cast: if you learn UML, you can get a job as an Enterprise Java Architect |
| 02:07.23 | Nyle | or C#/.NET these days.. screw java |
| 02:07.31 | pickcoder | meh |
| 02:07.36 | mmlj4 | naah, too respectable |
| 02:07.41 | pickcoder | .net or .NET |
| 02:07.46 | cast | makes note not to learn UML |
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| 02:08.22 | Nyle | shakes his head... |
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| 02:08.27 | pickcoder | hopes to leave the computing world in year |
| 02:08.28 | Nyle | anyway buh bye |
| 02:08.42 | abrotman | pickcoder: hard finding pick work? :) |
| 02:08.50 | Nyle | ooooooh burn! |
| 02:08.51 | pickcoder | nope.. tired of programming |
| 02:08.59 | Nyle | :) |
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| 02:09.20 | infinity_ | anyone know how to run the dell tools on debian? i want to get info from the dell hardware |
| 02:09.25 | cast | labouring is a nice enough job |
| 02:09.35 | abrotman | infinity_: linux.dell.com is a good start |
| 02:09.35 | Nyle | infinity_, they natively don't run on linux at all |
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| 02:09.52 | Nyle | infinity_, well unless you go there.. |
| 02:09.52 | abrotman | depends on the tool and the hardware |
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| 02:10.38 | infinity_ | hmmm. okay. i'll have to have a look. |
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| 02:10.57 | infinity_ | any idea how i can find out what model dell server i'm running on? |
| 02:11.09 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 02:11.09 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 02:11.13 | infinity_ | must be a way to access the bios info with generic tools |
| 02:11.15 | pickcoder | erm.. it's usually on the case |
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| 02:11.38 | infinity_ | pickcoder: yea. i haven't seen the box physically in about a year |
| 02:12.01 | infinity_ | pickcoder: mysql crashes randomly all of a sudden. worst kinda problem. |
| 02:12.16 | pickcoder | it tends to do that |
| 02:13.09 | pickcoder | dmidecode is probably your first bet |
| 02:14.10 | abrotman | mysql in crashing problem, news at 11! |
| 02:14.17 | infinity_ | ahh. hwinfo says PowerEdge SC1435 |
| 02:14.19 | infinity_ | nice! |
| 02:14.26 | pipeline | infinity_: dmidecode serial number field will get you the service tag. Entering the service tag on support.dell.com will get you complete configuration details. |
| 02:14.29 | abrotman | ew |
| 02:14.30 | pickcoder | abrotman: finding work in general isn't a problem (it's not a problem for me anyway, I'm a salaried <insert term> admin) |
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| 02:14.55 | pickcoder | finding work you want to do may be problematic |
| 02:14.55 | abrotman | pickcoder: <insert term> ~= linksys wifi router ? |
| 02:14.56 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:15.02 | pickcoder | actually I have one |
| 02:15.04 | pickcoder | :) |
| 02:15.14 | pickcoder | WRT3000 |
| 02:15.20 | pickcoder | or something like that |
| 02:15.28 | pickcoder | the wireless-N VPN router |
| 02:16.32 | infinity_ | wow. there are OSMA packages |
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| 02:17.24 | Leo | wow?world of warcaft |
| 02:17.31 | Thedjatclubrock | How would I make debian run commands as root on startup |
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| 02:17.42 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.50 | Nyle | use the recovery mode? |
| 02:17.59 | Nyle | oh nm |
| 02:19.14 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 02:19.14 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 02:20.36 | yziquel | Thedjatclubrock: look at /etc/inittab. There should be a lign called si::sysinit:/etc/init.d/rcS. That's the script that's started at startup by init. |
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| 02:23.14 | coniptor1 | cbk486: did you decompress the package into a directory; change directory to it and run ./configure? |
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| 02:23.49 | coniptor1 | nm |
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| 02:34.59 | Orion_X11 | there is something wrong with my konsole. If I run gedit, for example, as normal user it runs, but if I run it as root it says that "# gedit |
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| 02:35.26 | Orion_X11 | cannot open display |
| 02:35.52 | abrotman | don't run stuff as root |
| 02:35.55 | pickcoder | bops nks's client on the head |
| 02:36.06 | abrotman | or learn about gksu or similar |
| 02:36.11 | pickcoder | s/head/auto-rejoin script |
| 02:36.13 | abrotman | or xauth .. or mit magic cookies |
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| 02:37.09 | Orion_X11 | ksu gedit (gksu:3586): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: localhost:0.0 |
| 02:37.43 | pickcoder | abrotman: how do you fix stuff them? |
| 02:37.46 | pickcoder | s/them/then |
| 02:37.47 | abrotman | then ? |
| 02:37.53 | Buginator | I tried to get into gnome, and had no GUI. Then I tried via failsafe, and I still got no GUI. Ideas ? |
| 02:38.00 | abrotman | Orion_X11: you could use a console editor |
| 02:38.00 | pickcoder | :) |
| 02:38.10 | abrotman | Buginator: did you install gdm ? and xorg ? |
| 02:38.15 | newsense | vim |
| 02:38.40 | Buginator | It was working before. Just now, when I went to boot it up, I get a nice grey screen, and that is it in the desktom. |
| 02:38.50 | Buginator | desktop* |
| 02:39.08 | Orion_X11 | abrotman: I am using konsole |
| 02:39.25 | Orion_X11 | abrotman: what is console editor? |
| 02:39.30 | abrotman | Orion_X11: you realize you can just .. 'su' .. then edit a file? |
| 02:39.36 | abrotman | like vim .. or nano or emacs? |
| 02:39.39 | abrotman | or vi |
| 02:39.43 | amal029 | or ed |
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| 02:39.55 | newsense | vi or vim ! |
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| 02:40.13 | newsense | starts an editor debate |
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| 02:40.33 | Buginator | notepad++ for the win! ;) |
| 02:40.35 | amal029 | voting for ed |
| 02:40.38 | newsense | eww |
| 02:40.51 | newsense | purge ed nano emacs |
| 02:40.58 | Orion_X11 | abrotman: But, I used to edit things through gedit and the problem is not only gedit. I can't run any program as root |
| 02:41.04 | newsense | format windows partitio |
| 02:41.16 | pickcoder | I use nano when vim disapproves of my terminal software |
| 02:41.33 | abrotman | Orion_X11: then fix gksu or figure out xauth or mit magic cookies |
| 02:41.44 | newsense | i learned to use vi vim , purged all others |
| 02:42.45 | abrotman | !Mit magic cookie |
| 02:42.46 | dpkg | hmm... mit-magic-cookie is a key that a client application is required to possess in order to use your X11 display. Running xhost + removes this requirement which is why you should never use xhost (ask me about <xhost>). The xauth utility is in the package xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) and is used to manipulate the mit-magic-cookie; ask me about <mit-magic-cookie export>. For other, easier ways of running apps as another user, ask me about ... |
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| 02:45.59 | Buginator | hmmm.. how can I delete my gnome setting so it goes back to default? |
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| 02:46.17 | jarodlau | hello |
| 02:46.22 | abrotman | Buginator: mv .gnome/ .gnome.old/ ? |
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| 02:48.43 | Buginator | abrotman, that don't seem to have done the job. |
| 02:49.05 | abrotman | Buginator: there are also the gconf settings |
| 02:49.12 | abrotman | Buginator: what are you really trying to do ? |
| 02:49.28 | Buginator | my GUI is screwed, and failsafe mode doesn't help. |
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| 02:49.55 | abrotman | does GDM work ? |
| 02:50.03 | Buginator | by screwed, I mean only a terminal is visable, everything else is a gray screen. |
| 02:50.21 | Buginator | Yes, I can move the window around, I just got no menus or anything else. |
| 02:50.25 | abrotman | Buginator: did you `aptitude install xorg gnome gdm` ? |
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| 02:50.43 | abrotman | and how are you starting X ? |
| 02:50.45 | Buginator | It *was* working just fine before though. |
| 02:51.43 | Buginator | As for starting X, the normal way. At the login prompt... all that works. Just when I get into my session, I see no menus or anything like that. |
| 02:51.53 | abrotman | but GDM works ? |
| 02:51.59 | Buginator | Yes |
| 02:52.18 | abrotman | i believe there is a .gnome-errors or something like that .. anything useful there? |
| 02:53.06 | Buginator | nope, no file like that. |
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| 02:53.47 | Buginator | There is a .xsession-errors though. |
| 02:53.49 | abrotman | oh .. mine is from 2005 :) |
| 02:54.09 | comm | Hi, just got a boxed owned. Attacker replaced some files, now can't really do much to the machine gives segment faults. It looks like /bin/bash has been replaced, just wondering what would be the best way to replace this so I can at least do some poking around? |
| 02:54.34 | pickcoder | comm: livecd |
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| 02:54.41 | Buginator | And the error for that is Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window 0x1800004 |
| 02:54.42 | abrotman | busybox might work |
| 02:54.45 | pickcoder | or a rescue |
| 02:54.46 | comm | pickcoder: remote serve |
| 02:54.54 | pickcoder | ick |
| 02:54.54 | comm | no real way to livecd it |
| 02:54.57 | dbmoodb | comm: freeze the memory... damn remote ? |
| 02:55.08 | comm | its a free as in beer unknown about box :D |
| 02:55.14 | dbmoodb | ah ... can he still dump the contents of memory to a file then email / pipe that out |
| 02:55.17 | zinx | comm: reinstall |
| 02:55.35 | dbmoodb | then yeah trash it and start again |
| 02:55.38 | comm | its not suppose to be found |
| 02:55.39 | zinx | comm: seriously. your system was compromised, you need to reinstall. |
| 02:55.59 | comm | well, im pretty sure I can figure out what files were modified |
| 02:56.09 | dbmoodb | comm: "pretty" ooooooooooooo rootkit |
| 02:56.11 | comm | I had samhain running and it started reporting file changes right when he got in |
| 02:56.13 | zinx | comm: but you'll miss something - or at least you should assume that you will, even if you don't. |
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| 02:56.24 | abrotman | comm: busybox |
| 02:56.24 | comm | zinx: yea, but for now I just want control of the box |
| 02:56.27 | comm | word |
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| 02:58.42 | comm | Thanks Guys! |
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| 02:59.18 | cast | been told to increase the swap space from 2.5GB to 8GB in this 16GB of RAM box, i thought me setting 2.5GB was way excessive, but 8GB? :\ |
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| 03:00.18 | abrotman | depends how much you're using |
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| 03:01.00 | comm | cast: if you start using swap, your performance will degrade |
| 03:01.16 | abrotman | no? |
| 03:01.29 | Wyzard | cast: told by whom? |
| 03:01.47 | cast | boss man. |
| 03:02.03 | Wyzard | for a valid technical reason, or arbitrary managerial fiat? |
| 03:02.16 | abrotman | cast: are you actually swapping actively? |
| 03:02.31 | cast | in it's current state, nah, zero used |
| 03:02.35 | comm | lol |
| 03:02.41 | Wyzard | The basic formula for swapspace is (amount of memory you potentially need) minus (amount of RAM you actually have) |
| 03:03.08 | Wyzard | If you have loads of RAM you don't necessarily need any swap at all |
| 03:03.19 | cast | i don't have any swap on this home desktop :) |
| 03:03.36 | Wyzard | though it can help to have some anyway, because the kernel can page out unused stuff to make room for I/O buffers, which improves performance |
| 03:03.51 | cast | thats always tricky though, paging out unused stuffs |
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| 03:04.45 | cast | 's biggest annoyance when using windows boxes is how they always seem to page out things hes about to use |
| 03:05.07 | harpette | Doesn't an "apt-get update" update /var/lib/dpkg/available ? |
| 03:05.09 | pickcoder | cast: that's a "feature" to save RAM for useless processes |
| 03:05.16 | pickcoder | like webshots |
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| 03:05.42 | Ciroc | i know in windows its best to have both im not sure about linux |
| 03:05.58 | cgibin | i need to share this info with other in ssh party line screen -D -RR" D = detach RR start didnt work |
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| 03:06.09 | cast | http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/7/7/326 hmm, swap files as fast as swap partitions, nice |
| 03:06.12 | scrote | hello assholes :) |
| 03:06.16 | dbmoodb | i thought swap space was the value that we are allocated but don't use mostly |
| 03:07.17 | Ciroc | also a gig per core is most bandwidth after that it slightly decreases might be 3 gigs on quad i dont know yet |
| 03:07.27 | pickcoder | cast: doesn't "file" imply buffering too though? |
| 03:07.33 | cast | nah |
| 03:07.41 | Wyzard | pickcoder: Nope, read #3 |
| 03:08.02 | pickcoder | just read that |
| 03:08.04 | pickcoder | interesting |
| 03:08.13 | pickcoder | it has to be contiguous though |
| 03:08.24 | scrote | Gentoo is better than Debian |
| 03:08.36 | scrote | Debian is older than dirt. |
| 03:08.38 | Wyzard | not necessarily |
| 03:08.42 | cast | better to be contiguous |
| 03:08.45 | pickcoder | for the best performance |
| 03:08.51 | Wyzard | For performance, yes |
| 03:08.54 | Ciroc | In 2.6 they have the same reliability and they will have the same |
| 03:08.54 | Ciroc | > > performance unless the swapfile is badly fragmented. |
| 03:09.02 | Ciroc | i knew linux needed defrag |
| 03:09.03 | pickcoder | I wonder how flash would do as a RAM disk |
| 03:09.03 | Wyzard | but the kernel can cope with it even if it isn't |
| 03:09.29 | Wyzard | is looking forward to having a defrag tool for ext4 |
| 03:09.39 | Ciroc | what is good for ext3? |
| 03:10.01 | Wyzard | I don't think there is a working defragmenter for current ext2/3 filesystems |
| 03:10.18 | Wyzard | There's a defrag tool, but last time I tried it (several years ago) it corrupted the filesystem |
| 03:10.47 | Wyzard | I suspect it doesn't support some of the feature flags that have been added in the past few years |
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| 03:11.13 | Ciroc | maybe i should write another email to perfect disk they seemed to respond to my x64 request |
| 03:11.33 | cgibin | any ideas? |
| 03:11.37 | Wyzard | I've heard that one's being worked on for ext4 |
| 03:11.41 | Wyzard | online defragmentation, even |
| 03:11.57 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 03:12.55 | pickcoder | anyone know if there's a plugin guide for dovecot? |
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| 03:13.04 | pickcoder | #dovecot is idle |
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| 03:13.30 | harpette | Does "apt-get update" update the "dpkg database" ? |
| 03:13.40 | pickcoder | no |
| 03:13.51 | harpette | hmm |
| 03:13.52 | pickcoder | dpkg does when it installs or removes |
| 03:13.53 | dpkg | pickcoder: no idea |
| 03:14.04 | pickcoder | well that's ironic |
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| 03:15.45 | harpette | well i did an apt-get update and wanted to see what versions pkg are available, but "dpkg-query -l 'xyz*'" doesn't seem to have evolved |
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| 03:16.25 | curtmack | okay, ALMOST done with this |
| 03:16.27 | Wyzard | harpette: apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 03:16.46 | curtmack | I just need to fix up some of the info in /boot to account for the difference in drives |
| 03:17.05 | harpette | Wyzard: i hope it accepts wilcards in the pkgname |
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| 03:17.13 | curtmack | when I started it up (modifying hda1 to sda1), it said /root/dev/console couldn't be found |
| 03:17.18 | curtmack | how do I fix that? |
| 03:17.31 | Wyzard | harpette: I don't think so... use "apt-cache search" for that |
| 03:17.42 | harpette | OK TY |
| 03:17.45 | Wyzard | harpette: "apt-cache policy" tells you about available versions of a specific package |
| 03:18.25 | pickcoder | harpette: apt has it's own sources.list "database" |
| 03:18.30 | pickcoder | for install and policy info |
| 03:18.41 | harpette | so, i'll have to do an install or remove for the dpkg DB to catch up with APT? |
| 03:18.42 | pickcoder | dpkg has a separate database for installed, uninstalled, etc |
| 03:18.42 | dpkg | pickcoder: wish i knew |
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| 03:19.10 | pickcoder | hm |
| 03:19.21 | pickcoder | honestly, I dunno |
| 03:19.54 | harpette | i don't remember having that pbm in the past |
| 03:19.57 | pickcoder | I would assume that dpkg won't show it until it's been installed |
| 03:20.07 | harpette | i only do Debian once in a while |
| 03:20.29 | p1ngp0ng | is the ATI ES1000 driver in the etch respository? |
| 03:20.53 | curtmack | okay, I've modified menu.lst to use sda1 instead of hda1 for all of the boot options |
| 03:21.09 | curtmack | and I changed devices.map to (hd0) /dev/sda |
| 03:21.25 | curtmack | and ran grub-install /dev/sda --root-directory /usb |
| 03:21.31 | curtmack | anything else I should do? |
| 03:21.39 | pickcoder | p1ngp0ng: for what? |
| 03:21.57 | curtmack | most notably I'm concerned about this lack of /dev/console... why would that be missing at bootup? |
| 03:22.10 | h3king | hello ,all |
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| 03:28.56 | p1ngp0ng | pickcoder: it's a pci display adapter |
| 03:29.31 | p1ngp0ng | ther is supose to be a open source driver for it. but i cant find it in the respository. so im wondering if its might be under a diferent name |
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| 03:31.09 | harpette | p1ngp0ng: what do you want a driver for? install Xorg if you don't have it already, and it'll find it for you. |
| 03:31.22 | pickcoder | there is an ATI X-server |
| 03:31.53 | harpette | is what i meant |
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| 03:37.20 | p1ngp0ng | xorg autoconfigure find it? |
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| 03:40.45 | harpette | p1ngp0ng: haven't done it in a while, but as far as i recall, yes. Do you not have Xorg installed? |
| 03:41.07 | pickcoder | p1ngp0ng: yes it will try to match an x-server based on your hardware |
| 03:41.23 | Silvestre13 | hi, i want to uninstall the old kernel version, what can i do? |
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| 03:42.15 | p1ngp0ng | nope. dont have it installed. i've been trying sinse yesterday to get X setup. but it's not that easy when the computer im trying to do it on is in another country :P |
| 03:42.28 | harpette | Silvestre13: you proceed very carefully |
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| 03:42.37 | p1ngp0ng | i kinda gave up last night. but im gonna try again now i thought. |
| 03:43.45 | pickcoder | Silvestre13: did you install a new kernel image? |
| 03:43.59 | Silvestre13 | yes |
| 03:44.12 | Silvestre13 | the 2.6.24 |
| 03:44.13 | pickcoder | make sure the meta package for 2.6 is installed "linux-image-2.6-686" for example |
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| 03:44.28 | Silvestre13 | i want take off the 2.6.18 |
| 03:44.31 | pickcoder | then you can remove the specific kernel version "linux-image-2.6.18-2-686" for example |
| 03:44.55 | pickcoder | grub will be updated automatically |
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| 03:44.59 | Silvestre13 | yes i wanna do that |
| 03:45.06 | pickcoder | still I prefer to keep at least one "known good" kernel on the machine |
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| 03:45.41 | pickcoder | just incase a kernel update blows my running kernel into pieces |
| 03:45.57 | Silvestre13 | ahh ok |
| 03:46.10 | pickcoder | it's not that much space |
| 03:46.45 | Silvestre13 | you are right, thanx |
| 03:46.50 | pickcoder | no prob |
| 03:48.46 | pickcoder | bed time |
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| 04:01.07 | p1ngp0ng | it didnt work. (EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device |
| 04:01.27 | p1ngp0ng | (EE) RADEON(0): Failed to open framebuffer device, consult warnings and/or errors above for possible reasons |
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| 04:02.12 | Jomyoot | Is Debian good OS for remote machine? For example. can I do remote upgrade from version to version without having to ever see the machine physically for 2 years |
| 04:02.27 | Jomyoot | i did that with FreeBSD. and never saw my machine. Upgraded from 5 -> 7 now. and no problem so far |
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| 04:06.50 | mwc | Hello. Anybody know what the persmission bits mean for a local domain socket? |
| 04:07.08 | mwc | I mean, what is the semantic of read/write/execute permission on a socket? |
| 04:08.13 | puff | What's the best/safest/easiest(in terms of idiot-proofing) way to wipe a hard drive before returnning it under warranty? |
| 04:08.34 | dmoerner | puff: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX |
| 04:08.44 | dmoerner | or /dev/urandom is you have time on your hands and want it to be random |
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| 04:09.30 | Alcap | I want to uninstall grub from a live cd I have here... How do I do that? |
| 04:09.39 | puff | dmoerner: I'd like to kick it off and have it done by tomorrow morning. |
| 04:10.14 | mwc | dmoerner: I'd do at least 5 passes of /dev/urandom, if you have the time (it sounds like you do) |
| 04:10.31 | puff | dmoerner: Google turned up a URL that suggests GNU fileutils shred command. |
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| 04:10.54 | dmoerner | Alcap: you can't just "uninstall grub" that will leave the system unbootable. |
| 04:10.58 | mwc | puff: I don't think shred can be used on blockd evices, IIRC it's for secure deletion of files within a filesystem |
| 04:11.40 | dmoerner | puff: mwc is correct with regard to shred, as far as i know. Just use /dev/urandom--the number of times depends on how paranoid you are |
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| 04:13.45 | p1ngp0ng | is the X11 folder created when installing xorg. or is it part of the base debian installation? |
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| 04:15.39 | newsense | p1ngp0ng: try dpkg -S /path/to/X11 |
| 04:15.42 | dmoerner | p1ngp0ng: created on installation of xorg, if you mean /etc/X11 |
| 04:16.16 | p1ngp0ng | so it's safe to remove it if its a shell server then |
| 04:16.21 | davidX- | quick question, i have a server with tftp/pxe and i'm netbooting the installer with a preseeded file.. during the install i'm entering my public ip and switching over to use a public mirror but after i enter the public ip the installer halts |
| 04:16.45 | davidX- | there's not much meaningful debug info on the term |
| 04:16.49 | dmoerner | p1ngp0ng: so long as you don't rely on any X apps probably |
| 04:16.57 | p1ngp0ng | ok thanks |
| 04:18.21 | egns | pira a dormir, buenas noches/good nite |
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| 04:18.57 | puff | dmoerner: So dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdX, where x is the device. |
| 04:19.18 | puff | Hm, odd, I had mounted it via this usb enclosure before, to copy data across. Now it doesn't seem to be showing up. |
| 04:19.36 | dmoerner | puff: yes |
| 04:20.22 | puff | dmoerner: And then repeat that above line 3-4 times, depending on my level of paranoia. |
| 04:20.39 | dmoerner | the default in gnu shred is do it 3 times if my memory serves me |
| 04:20.57 | puff | http://pastebin.com/d23e28f70 |
| 04:21.02 | cheef-daniel | is there something else I have to do when I save a utf8-encoded string into a var? for example: echo $myvar outputs "hinzugef?\195?\188gt" instead of "hinzugefügt". |
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| 04:21.53 | puff | Ah,wait, more output in dmesg. |
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| 04:23.44 | puff | Hm, is there any way to overwriteit without actually mounting it? |
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| 04:29.33 | briareus | hi all, should I see rcconf or sysv-rc-conf in any debian system? |
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| 04:30.25 | briareus | I was directing someone to run those, but they weren't in his system (not even found with which) so I had him manually do it. |
| 04:30.44 | briareus | but is there some replacement for rcconf or sysv-rc-conf ? |
| 04:30.44 | newsense | update-rc.d |
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| 04:31.09 | briareus | that's what I had him do, but I remember from my debian install that I had a tool that I could seee all the services by runlevel |
| 04:31.40 | newsense | sysv-init-conf maybe if iremember correctly |
| 04:31.49 | briareus | I could have sworn it was sysv-rc-conf |
| 04:31.53 | briareus | OK I'll try that one |
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| 04:33.07 | comm | Hi, is there a way to force an install of a packge thats already installed? |
| 04:33.19 | dondelelcaro | comm: reinstall it |
| 04:33.39 | newsense | hi dondelelcaro |
| 04:33.51 | briareus | comm: use the -f switch |
| 04:34.00 | briareus | comm: apt-get install -f whatever |
| 04:34.02 | dondelelcaro | -f doesn't do what you think it does |
| 04:34.23 | briareus | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 04:34.58 | briareus | well I haven't run debian for long enough to forget, just trying to help |
| 04:35.23 | briareus | dondelelcaro: by the way, is there still rcconf or sysv-rc-conf or is it sysv-init-conf? |
| 04:35.44 | briareus | I had a user go with update-rc.d because he couldn't find those other ones |
| 04:35.56 | dondelelcaro | briareus: sysv-rc-conf exists, but it's a separate package |
| 04:35.57 | newsense | sysv-rc-conf |
| 04:36.02 | briareus | ah! |
| 04:36.07 | briareus | I forgot it was a seperate package |
| 04:36.31 | newsense | also a text based sysvconfig |
| 04:36.46 | briareus | that's what I am looking for, terminal app |
| 04:36.53 | newsense | seperate package |
| 04:37.46 | briareus | thanks |
| 04:37.52 | briareus | muchas gracias |
| 04:37.59 | newsense | np |
| 04:38.26 | briareus | I directed him to apt-cache search sysv-rc-conf and for sysvconfig |
| 04:38.36 | briareus | thanks for the assist |
| 04:38.48 | briareus | this makes me want to install debian again |
| 04:39.03 | briareus | I didnt realize how much I'd forgotten, I don't like losing the skills |
| 04:39.54 | briareus | I have fond memories of installing from the slim sarge installer on my teacher's laptops, but it's been a while, I don't even know what's new, and I really am not into ubuntu at all |
| 04:40.00 | newsense | i read random man pages sometimes to brighten me up ! |
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| 04:40.38 | briareus | speaking of slim, does slim desktop login manager have a deb package? |
| 04:40.43 | dmoerner | briareus: yes |
| 04:40.51 | dmoerner | not in etch though |
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| 04:41.03 | fungo | where should i place vmware? /opt or /usr/local? |
| 04:41.07 | briareus | I had this user apt-cache search slim and it returned only some sound stream app or something |
| 04:41.19 | dmoerner | briareus: if they were running etch it wouldn't show up |
| 04:41.25 | newsense | its in lenny for sure |
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| 04:42.49 | newsense | briareus: can always /msg dpkg info package etch/lenny/sid and dpkg will give ya info |
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| 04:43.03 | newsense | in #debian that is |
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| 04:43.44 | briareus | ah |
| 04:43.47 | briareus | nice feature |
| 04:43.52 | newsense | i like it |
| 04:44.26 | dmoerner | or you could just install devscripts and use rmadison... |
| 04:45.44 | newsense | or apt-package |
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| 04:46.57 | dmoerner | newsense: apt-package is not a command in a debian package, according to apt-file |
| 04:46.57 | briareus | does debian keep a /etc/debian-release or similar? |
| 04:47.03 | dmoerner | briareus: /etc/debian_version |
| 04:47.07 | briareus | something I can have this user cat? |
| 04:47.09 | briareus | thatnks again! |
| 04:47.24 | newsense | dmoerner: wrong channel |
| 04:47.32 | dmoerner | briareus: it's sort of generic though. if you want a more exact description install lsb-release and run lsb_release -a |
| 04:47.35 | dmoerner | newsense: ah |
| 04:47.43 | newsense | dmoerner: will be soon |
| 04:47.55 | briareus | dmoerner: that will tell me sid v lenny v etch? |
| 04:48.01 | briareus | or will the generic tell me that too |
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| 04:49.07 | briareus | thanks! |
| 04:49.11 | briareus | those helped |
| 04:49.33 | dmoerner | briareus: although i run sid /etc/debian_version says lenny/sid. lsb_release will say specifically which you are running |
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| 04:49.58 | briareus | cool |
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| 04:51.52 | s0lid | i just installed clamav-dameon and started it. it's eating 99% of my CPU |
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| 04:52.03 | puff | Hm, the drive shows up in lsusb, but isn't mounted. Is there a way to dd it without mounting it? |
| 04:52.07 | s0lid | do i need to tweak something? |
| 04:52.33 | s0lid | im using debian etch btw |
| 04:52.44 | puff | s0lid: I've noticed problems with clamav's daemon sucking up resources, don't know if there's a fix but at least you know it's not unprecedented. |
| 04:52.44 | dmoerner | puff: normally you would wipe a drive with dd without mounting it |
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| 04:53.06 | puff | s0lid: It started working much better after I boosted the memory (was half a gig, upped it ot a gig |
| 04:53.10 | Jesse1 | hello everyone |
| 04:53.12 | puff | dmoerner: Ah... okay then. |
| 04:53.34 | s0lid | puff, oh that's too much i only have 256MB hmmm... ill try to source out rams now |
| 04:53.42 | s0lid | puff, tnx for the info |
| 04:54.03 | puff | dmoerner: Well, normally I would look at dmesg to see what /dev/sdX the new device was listed as, but I don't see a /dev/sdX in my dmesg output. |
| 04:54.42 | puff | s0lid: Yeah, spamassassin/virus detection was definitely a resource hog.... got along just fine with 256MB for a long time (it was always on my "get around to it). |
| 04:55.13 | puff | Er, adding RAM was always on my get-around-to-it list, jumped over to the "get it done now" list after I set up spamasasssin/clamav :-0. |
| 04:56.01 | s0lid | puff, wow clamav is a resource hog nowadays im using just 256mb before and it worked fine well that's 2 years ago haha... |
| 04:56.40 | puff | s0lid: Well, don't take my word for it, I can't say definitively that was the issue, just that when I buffed up memory, things greatly improved. |
| 04:57.08 | s0lid | puff, no problem with that i need to upgrade the RAM anyway im running database and web here too :) |
| 04:57.17 | puff | s0lid: I suspect it's more of an IO contention issue than anyhting else... if you have a firehose of spam/virus mails coming in, having more memory avoids disk contention. |
| 04:57.51 | s0lid | puff, hmmm... this is just a new server not yet in production |
| 04:58.06 | s0lid | puff, i jsut inslltaed clamav-daemon and run it |
| 04:58.21 | puff | s0lid: My box is just sort of my hobby shell/web/email/etc server, though I have several friends using it (we're all programmers). I started hosting it myself because |
| 04:58.46 | puff | ...because I wanted to learn more about what makes a linux box tick, after being a linux _user_ for years and years but having little actual linux _admin_ experience. |
| 04:59.08 | puff | s0lid: Hrrm... well, Idkanow... do you have mail? |
| 04:59.27 | Jesse1 | hello, puff or solid, I am wondering if any one could help me with a little problem I have .... I have an external usb hard drive and its formated as NTFS file system, it was working fine but now everytime I try to mount it , it says, permision denied, and I haven't done nothing to it |
| 04:59.45 | puff | s0lid: I'm not sure how youre' using clamav; I have it set up to be part of the MTA mail processing, so mail coming in is scanned for viruses. |
| 04:59.53 | Jesse1 | it just decided to unmount by itself |
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| 05:00.16 | Jesse1 | and now it gives me that error message when i try to mount it |
| 05:00.18 | puff | s0lid: Speaking of which, make sure you update the recipes, IRRC you need to make your own cron job to do that. Likewise, you need to make sure the quarantined virus mails get cleaned out regularly. |
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| 05:00.46 | puff | Jesse1: Hm, I thought that wasn't a problem now, but it used to be NTFS was read-only. |
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| 05:01.05 | Jesse1 | no it was read and write |
| 05:01.10 | puff | Jesse1: That is, linux NTFS only had support for read access, not for write-access. |
| 05:01.14 | Jesse1 | I could create folders and delete |
| 05:01.33 | Jesse1 | but it just sudenly stoped working |
| 05:01.51 | Jesse1 | and now it says that permision is denied |
| 05:01.52 | puff | Jesse1: That's a "used to" thing, though, support for write became avaiable in recent yeras. |
| 05:02.19 | puff | Jesse1: I'm a little out of my depth here, but I recall that when things go wrong, the system gets paranoid and kicks the drive into read-only mode to avoid damage. |
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| 05:02.35 | Jesse1 | then what should I do ? |
| 05:02.39 | puff | Jesse1: Did you check dmesg and similar places to look for error messages related to the drive? |
| 05:02.57 | Jesse1 | it was working today untill I restarted |
| 05:03.19 | Jesse1 | now I can see it on the desktop but I can't mount ti |
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| 05:05.21 | puff | Jesse1: I'm afraid I'm out of my depth, here... did you check dmesg? |
| 05:05.34 | Jesse1 | how do I che ck that |
| 05:05.41 | puff | Jesse1: $ dmesg<enter> |
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| 05:06.17 | Jesse1 | yes , but what do i look for ? |
| 05:06.27 | Jesse1 | is a whole bunch of stuffs |
| 05:06.41 | puff | Jesse1: Well, good question. If nothing else, copy and paste it to pastebin.com and paste the link here. |
| 05:06.55 | puff | Jesse1: I'd try to decipher the message and see if there's anything about your drive. |
| 05:07.00 | Jesse1 | ok |
| 05:07.21 | puff | Jesse1: also, look at dmesg, keep note of where the end is, disconnect and reconnect your drive and then look again and see what new messages were added. |
| 05:07.51 | puff | Jesse1: Er, when I said "I'd try" I meant you should try... I'm afraid I'm overdue to leave and meet somebody (it's 1am here). |
| 05:08.16 | puff | Jesse1: There are times when I think I should (as I gradually learn about this stuff) write a diagnostic tool that would check dmesg :-). |
| 05:08.55 | puff | E.g. you run it, pick from a list ("USB device problem", "wired network problem", "wireless network problem", etc) and it would check for relevant data. |
| 05:09.14 | Jesse1 | ok |
| 05:09.30 | s0lid | puff, no mail as of the moment |
| 05:09.49 | s0lid | puff, i just apt-get instal clamav-daemin and amavisd-new |
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| 05:10.05 | s0lid | puff, i'll check the documentation of clamav to reconfigure this thing |
| 05:10.06 | swirl | hi |
| 05:10.06 | s0lid | puff, thanks |
| 05:11.29 | Jesse1 | http://pastebin.com/d6fd39696 |
| 05:11.32 | Jesse1 | there |
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| 05:14.21 | swirl | hello there any way to handle totem with dbus in debian? |
| 05:15.32 | Jesse1 | the one acting wrongly is , sdb5 |
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| 05:17.17 | swirl | hello there any way to handle totem with dbus in debian? |
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| 05:19.28 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge totem comes to mind |
| 05:19.48 | Lagbolts | i agree. purging totem is good |
| 05:20.28 | Lagbolts | swirl, what is the problem you are having |
| 05:22.09 | swirl | Lagbolts, my problem is that I want to check with the totem of my laptop quickplay |
| 05:22.38 | Lagbolts | swirl, what? i didnt exactly understand that question |
| 05:23.14 | Jesse1 | :) |
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| 05:24.47 | Lagbolts | :) |
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| 05:25.19 | swirl | Lagbolts, I have a laptop with HP dv9000 multimedia buttons I want to touch a button that when I get off the volume of totem I switch to the next track that is what I want to do |
| 05:26.33 | swirl | Lagbolts, my English is not very good I apologize for the inconvenience |
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| 05:26.46 | Lagbolts | whenyou get off the volume? hmm i have a dv2120 with media buttons. you can set them to keyboard shortcuts |
| 05:27.18 | Lagbolts | you have the quickpla, dvd, play/pause , fwd, bwd, stop , mute and volume slide right? |
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| 05:28.30 | swirl | Lagbolts, but if you want only works when I opened the totem |
| 05:28.50 | Lagbolts | so you want them to do something when totem is not open? |
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| 05:29.26 | swirl | namely that all these functions me the run inside the totem do not know if I understand |
| 05:30.35 | Lagbolts | hmm, still not sure what you mean. From what I see it sounds like the buttons work while in totem but you want them to do something while not in totem? |
| 05:30.37 | Lagbolts | is that correct? |
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| 05:32.01 | swirl | Lagbolts, yes |
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| 05:32.46 | Jesse1 | puff, you here ? |
| 05:32.49 | Lagbolts | ok, now when you are not in totem what do you want them to do? start totem? |
| 05:32.58 | swirl | Lagbolts, what I want is to control totem with buttons that brings multimedia laptop |
| 05:33.00 | Lagbolts | Jesse1, what trouble you having |
| 05:33.32 | Jesse1 | hello, puff or solid, I am wondering if any one could help me with a little problem II have an external usb hard drive and its formated as NTFS file system, it was working fine but now everytime I try to mount it , it says, permision denied, and I haven't done nothing to it |
| 05:33.34 | Lagbolts | swirl, ok this is where i am having hard time understanding. do you want the buttons to cause totem to open? |
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| 05:34.05 | Lagbolts | Jesse1, how are you mounting it? what permission is denied? browsing it? writing? reading? |
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| 05:34.30 | Jesse1 | I can't get access to it , any more |
| 05:34.35 | swirl | Lagbolts, That can be controlled in kde gift dcop gnome but not that way do they told me that with dbus-send |
| 05:35.08 | Jesse1 | it was working fine until I restarted and not its on the desktop but when i try to mount it it says permision denied |
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| 05:36.00 | Lagbolts | swirl, can you give me an example? for instance. what do you want to happen when you hit the play/pause button |
| 05:36.24 | Lagbolts | Jesse1, so when you plug in the usb drive you see it in dmesg? doesnt appear on desktop? have you tried mounting it manually? |
| 05:36.40 | Jesse1 | yes |
| 05:36.48 | Jesse1 | I can see it on the desktop |
| 05:37.07 | Jesse1 | but when i click on it, it says permision denied |
| 05:37.39 | Lagbolts | ok so maybe need to try manually mounting from command line just to see. are you using gnome? do you use ntfs kernel or ntfs-3g |
| 05:37.49 | slackd00d | what is replacing gnome-cups-manager in sid? |
| 05:38.06 | Jesse1 | ntfs-3g |
| 05:38.29 | Jesse1 | I have pasted dmesg |
| 05:38.37 | Jesse1 | http://pastebin.com/d6fd39696 |
| 05:38.47 | Jesse1 | the one acting wrongly is , sdb5 |
| 05:39.52 | Lagbolts | sdb5? is it a card reader? |
| 05:39.58 | Jesse1 | no |
| 05:40.07 | Jesse1 | is an external udb drive |
| 05:40.12 | Jesse1 | usb |
| 05:40.33 | swirl | Lagbolts, for example when I want to touch the button on my laptop dvd I open the totem |
| 05:40.34 | Jesse1 | is a 60 Gigs that I use to put files |
| 05:40.54 | Jesse1 | like my music and stuffs |
| 05:41.21 | Lagbolts | jescis, have you tried ntfs-3g from command line? |
| 05:41.30 | Jesse1 | no |
| 05:41.46 | Lagbolts | swirl, it doesnt open when dvd is inserted |
| 05:42.05 | Lagbolts | Jesse1, well lets try that. maybe try mounting with kernel ntfs first instead of 3g just to test |
| 05:42.07 | swirl | Lagbolts, I have a friend who developed a program to control quickbutton of hp I can give you the source to see what compile and ready |
| 05:42.36 | briareus | well that was cool, I helped someone get their debian box working better and I haven't run debian in ages. Thanks for the assist folks |
| 05:42.38 | Jesse1 | but how do I do that |
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| 05:42.58 | Lagbolts | um swirl source for what? the quick buttons already work. you can use keyboard shortcuts to make them do anything you want |
| 05:43.00 | Jesse1 | I have 2 months using debian < I an not very well versed on it , yet |
| 05:43.12 | Lagbolts | Jesse1, first, do you have any experience mounting from command line? |
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| 05:43.41 | Jesse1 | I only do |
| 05:43.51 | Jesse1 | mount /dev/sdb5 |
| 05:43.59 | Jesse1 | and it used to mount |
| 05:44.13 | Jesse1 | but now it does not want |
| 05:44.20 | Lagbolts | ok you dont just do that |
| 05:44.32 | Lagbolts | Jesse1, you need a mount point. |
| 05:44.40 | Jesse1 | how |
| 05:45.01 | Lagbolts | Jesse1, first make a moount point. maybe this . . . mkdir /mnt/testmount |
| 05:45.21 | Jesse1 | as root ? |
| 05:45.21 | Lagbolts | Jesse1, then try "mount /dev/sdb5 /mnt/testmount" |
| 05:45.23 | Lagbolts | yes |
| 05:45.25 | Jesse1 | ok |
| 05:45.45 | Lagbolts | your user probably doesnt have read write access to /mnt |
| 05:45.58 | Jesse1 | I am the only user |
| 05:46.16 | Lagbolts | Jesse1, doesnt matter |
| 05:46.47 | Jesse1 | I think it did mount |
| 05:46.50 | Lagbolts | Jesse1, your user has access to /home/user and /tmp |
| 05:46.55 | Jesse1 | but where is it |
| 05:47.01 | Lagbolts | check it. type ls /mnt/tempmount |
| 05:47.07 | Jesse1 | because is not on the desktop amny more |
| 05:47.09 | Lagbolts | or just type "mount" |
| 05:47.13 | Lagbolts | and it will list all mounted drives |
| 05:48.04 | Jesse1 | it says this |
| 05:48.07 | Jesse1 | Could not enter folder /mnt/testmount. |
| 05:48.13 | Lagbolts | as root? |
| 05:48.16 | Jesse1 | yes |
| 05:48.37 | Lagbolts | when you type "mount" does it show it in the list? you didnt get any errors? |
| 05:49.05 | Jesse1 | no it gives not errors |
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| 05:49.29 | Lagbolt | and the output from "mount" |
| 05:49.36 | Jesse1 | nope |
| 05:49.46 | Lagbolt | nope what? it isnt in there? |
| 05:50.11 | Lagbolt | something like "/dev/sdb5 on /mnt/tempmount type ntfs |
| 05:50.22 | Jesse1 | dev/sdb5 on /mnt/testmount type ntfs (rw) |
| 05:50.40 | Lagbolt | ah so it at least thinks it is mounted |
| 05:50.43 | Lagbolt | now try this |
| 05:50.47 | Jesse1 | but I check on the mmt folder and is with a lock |
| 05:50.53 | Lagbolt | jescis, type "ls -l /mnt" |
| 05:51.11 | Lagbolt | pastebin output |
| 05:53.01 | Jesse1 | it gives me my home folder stuffs |
| 05:53.13 | Lagbolt | i know Jesse1 |
| 05:53.20 | Lagbolt | pastebin tho, it gives info about permisions |
| 05:53.21 | Jesse1 | ok |
| 05:53.26 | Jesse1 | ok |
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| 05:53.36 | Lagbolt | like -rwxrw--w |
| 05:53.46 | Lagbolt | hmm well my example is wrong but you get the point lol |
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| 05:54.16 | Jesse1 | http://pastebin.com/d48ab6ddd |
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| 05:54.47 | rati | Hey can Any one tell me how to reinstall whole xserver again? |
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| 05:55.12 | Lagbolt | Jesse1, is that "ls -l /mnt" or "ls -l /mnt/testmount" |
| 05:55.16 | rati | I have problem in xserver so I just remove /etc/X11 folder and now its not working :( |
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| 05:55.42 | zeeble | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:55.48 | Jesse1 | that is ls -I/mnt |
| 05:56.16 | rati | zeeble: does that make it correctly? I tried that once |
| 05:56.25 | Lagbolt | can you pastsebin the output from "mount" |
| 05:56.30 | Jesse1 | yes |
| 05:56.35 | zeeble | rati: yes, it does. |
| 05:57.07 | Lagbolt | Jesse1, if you did mkdir /mnt/testmount why dont i see it in that pastebin. |
| 05:57.16 | zeeble | rati: that will take you through the questions and create a Xorg.conf in your X11 directory. which will then drive your x server |
| 05:57.38 | Lagbolt | did you do " ls -I" or "ls -l" |
| 05:57.54 | Lagbolt | because that doesnt look correct |
| 05:58.02 | Lagbolt | -l <-- as in lower case L |
| 05:58.51 | rati | zeeble: but when I try to start xserver it want some another file which is in /etc/X11/twm which I dont have |
| 05:58.54 | Jesse1 | http://pastebin.com/d7da28edb |
| 05:58.57 | Jesse1 | there |
| 05:59.18 | zeeble | rati: how did you install the x server? |
| 05:59.32 | Lagbolt | Jesse1, those are the files on the drive? |
| 05:59.38 | Jesse1 | yes |
| 05:59.44 | Jesse1 | folders with stuffs |
| 05:59.46 | Lagbolt | Jesse1, yeah so you can see them |
| 05:59.57 | Jesse1 | but where are they |
| 05:59.58 | Lagbolt | so it is mounted, just owned by root right now. |
| 06:00.04 | Lagbolt | they are in /mnt/testmount |
| 06:00.05 | OpenTokix | Quote of the day: It's not every day you run across a directory that contains a metric crap-ton of files. |
| 06:00.08 | Jesse1 | but why ? |
| 06:00.17 | Lagbolt | Jesse1, because we told mount to mount them there |
| 06:00.26 | Jesse1 | why root took possesion of my drive ? |
| 06:00.32 | Lagbolt | Jesse1, normally they are on your desktop because you auto mount with i assume gnome or something |
| 06:00.33 | Jesse1 | ooh |
| 06:00.41 | Jesse1 | yes |
| 06:00.43 | Lagbolt | but that wasnt working |
| 06:00.43 | rati | zeeble: I have installed it from debian DVD. then Yesterday I have updated from etch--->lenny |
| 06:00.52 | Jesse1 | when I restart it is automounted |
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| 06:01.09 | rati | after update It starts doing problem so I remove that, but now its not starting |
| 06:01.09 | zeeble | rati: apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 06:01.10 | OpenTokix | my root is possesses by root! |
| 06:01.11 | Jesse1 | but today it decided to stop working |
| 06:01.18 | rati | zeeble: yes |
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| 06:01.29 | Lagbolt | Jesse1, right, i am just trying to see if it works at all |
| 06:01.34 | Lagbolt | Jesse1, and it does |
| 06:01.35 | Jesse1 | ok |
| 06:01.40 | Lagbolt | Jesse1, so now we try 3g ok |
| 06:01.46 | Jesse1 | ok |
| 06:01.50 | Jesse1 | as root ? |
| 06:01.59 | Lagbolt | Jesse1, as root "umount /mnt/testmount |
| 06:02.08 | Jesse1 | maybe I mouted it as root ? |
| 06:02.26 | Jesse1 | ok |
| 06:02.47 | Jesse1 | done |
| 06:02.57 | Lagbolt | Jesse1, the automounting shouldnt. i didnt know gnome used 3g by default but hey i dont use gnome |
| 06:03.05 | Lagbolt | Jesse1, anyhow, lets try from command line |
| 06:03.17 | Jesse1 | ok |
| 06:03.21 | Jesse1 | you use kde ? |
| 06:03.34 | Lagbolt | i use xfce |
| 06:03.46 | Jesse1 | is it possible to use kde on debian ? |
| 06:03.47 | p1ngp0ng | when i do this apt-get install xorg, it also installs all the dependensies. but when i do aptitude remove xorg, it only removes the gnome right, but not the dependensies. my question is, how do also delete all the dependensies that was installed when i did apt-get install xorg? |
| 06:03.55 | Lagbolt | Jesse1, type this "ntfs-3g /dev/sdb5 /mnt/testmount" |
| 06:04.14 | Jesse1 | as user ? |
| 06:04.18 | Jesse1 | or root |
| 06:04.41 | zeeble | rati: not very sure.. i always do a clean install from the netinstaller.. |
| 06:04.51 | fireba11 | and there goes another security fix for linxml2 ^^ |
| 06:05.03 | p1ngp0ng | xorg is ment as an example package btw. |
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| 06:05.08 | Lagbolt | root |
| 06:05.37 | EmleyMoor | p1ngp0ng: Normally, the dependencies will have been marked as "Auto-installed" and will be automatically removed when you have nothing further that depends on them |
| 06:05.39 | Jesse1 | $LogFile indicates unclean shutdown (0, 0 |
| 06:05.50 | Lagbolt | Jesse1, so an error |
| 06:05.56 | Jesse1 | Failed to mount '/dev/sdb5': Operation not supported |
| 06:05.56 | Jesse1 | Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use. Choose one action |
| 06:05.59 | rati | zeeble: any idea what should I do now. I cant find any thing to work |
| 06:05.59 | EmleyMoor | If not, look at the dependencies in the package details and try removing them yourself |
| 06:05.59 | zeeble | rati: forget about twm. install gnome/kde/xfce4/ and then put the exec gnome/startkde or window manager specific directive in your ~/.xinitrc, and do a startx. before this, do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:06.06 | Lagbolt | Jesse1, did you unmount it? |
| 06:06.09 | Jesse1 | yes |
| 06:06.21 | Lagbolt | Jesse1, and it didnt show up in "mount" output anymore |
| 06:06.29 | Jesse1 | no |
| 06:06.33 | rati | zeeble: ok |
| 06:06.33 | zeeble | rati: apt-get install xfce4, then try startx, if it doesnt work, then do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:06.37 | Lagbolt | Jesse1, sounds like file system got messed on a bad disconnect |
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| 06:06.48 | Jesse1 | power when off |
| 06:07.00 | Jesse1 | whent off today |
| 06:07.15 | Lagbolt | Lagbolt, you can try booting in windows and running diskcheck or you can try ntfsprogs. it comes with ntfsfix that might work |
| 06:07.17 | EmleyMoor | Why does asterisk now depend on an obsolete library in lenny? |
| 06:07.18 | Jesse1 | and when I restarted it was like this |
| 06:07.24 | zeeble | rati: twm is the default Window manager that used to come with xfree86/xorg. so if others dont exist, it tries to start up when you do a startx. install an alternative, and then get it to start |
| 06:07.47 | p1ngp0ng | EmleyMoor: is there a command to shoe which dependensies are not beeing used by anything? |
| 06:07.49 | Lagbolt | Jesse1, if you dont have a windows machine to disk check it with i suggest ntfsprogs |
| 06:07.58 | rati | zeeble: ok. Let me do that |
| 06:07.59 | Lagbolt | it has worked for me and some friends of mine for similar issues |
| 06:08.06 | Jesse1 | I dual boot with xp |
| 06:08.11 | EmleyMoor | p1ngp0ng: You can try marking them auto (use M) in aptitude |
| 06:08.21 | Jesse1 | my pc has xp and debian |
| 06:08.44 | Lagbolt | Jesse1, so up to you. reboot and run a disk check on it in windows the go back to debian |
| 06:08.49 | Lagbolt | or install ntfsprogs in debian |
| 06:08.56 | Jesse1 | ok |
| 06:09.13 | Jesse1 | I restart in xp |
| 06:09.43 | Lagbolt | just connected it and go to admin tools / disk management thing and check disk on it |
| 06:09.43 | Jesse1 | If you have Windows then disconnect the external devices by |
| 06:09.44 | Jesse1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.44 | Jesse1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:10.03 | Jesse1 | ok |
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| 06:11.35 | Jesse1 | ok I will do that , I will be back |
| 06:11.36 | OpenTokix | Jesse1: I clearly see the problem. apt-get remove windows and redeem lost disk space |
| 06:11.47 | p1ngp0ng | EmleyMoor: one more thing, i see that in x11 cathegory in aptitude, xorg,xfce etc is marked as installed, but in reality i have removed them with aptitude remove xorg xfce4. im wondering how i can mark them for removal in aptitude gui |
| 06:11.53 | Jesse1 | huh? |
| 06:12.04 | Jesse1 | in here in debian terminal ? |
| 06:12.15 | OpenTokix | Jesse1: nah, sorry =) |
| 06:12.18 | Jesse1 | and that will fix my drive ? |
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| 06:12.32 | Jesse1 | ooh |
| 06:12.37 | Lagbolt | lol OpenTokix |
| 06:12.43 | Lagbolt | Jesse1, he is joking |
| 06:12.46 | Jesse1 | ok |
| 06:12.53 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 06:13.01 | OpenTokix | I didn't read the backlog |
| 06:13.15 | OpenTokix | but from what I did read, looks like you have problem with a usb-drive, yes? |
| 06:13.17 | EmleyMoor | p1ngp0ng: What is the actual status shown as? |
| 06:13.21 | Jesse1 | yes |
| 06:13.33 | p1ngp0ng | in aptitude they are higlighted in white, and marked with an "i" |
| 06:13.37 | Lagbolt | OpenTokix, yeah he just needs to run a check disk on it or use ntfsfix |
| 06:13.43 | Jesse1 | it was working until power went off |
| 06:13.52 | Lagbolt | it had a bad disconnect and ntfs-3g wont mount until it is checked |
| 06:13.55 | Jesse1 | and then I restarted pc |
| 06:14.01 | Lagbolt | kernel has no trouble mounting it r/o |
| 06:14.25 | EmleyMoor | p1ngp0ng: Just an i? |
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| 06:14.34 | p1ngp0ng | yes |
| 06:14.47 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... well, they are not removed, then |
| 06:14.51 | OpenTokix | Lagbolt: ok, it runs ntfs? |
| 06:15.18 | p1ngp0ng | EmleyMoor: then what do you sugest i do to remove them? |
| 06:15.19 | OpenTokix | Can't he do that i windows - just click click check disk? |
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| 06:15.34 | Lagbolt | OpenTokix, yeah we mounted his drive using mount and ntfs no prob. but its read only. the trouble is he wants to use ntfs-3g and it is saying the volume was unmounted improperly so it needs a disk check |
| 06:15.44 | Lagbolt | OpenTokix, yeah i told him that |
| 06:15.46 | p1ngp0ng | i've tried dpkg -r packagename and aptitude remove packagename. |
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| 06:15.53 | Lagbolt | he was doing it until you said apt-get remove windows and confused him |
| 06:15.54 | Lagbolt | lol |
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| 06:16.27 | OpenTokix | Lagbolt: haha,ok - sorry =) |
| 06:16.34 | EmleyMoor | p1ngp0ng: Use - to mark them for removal leaving configs behind or _ to mark for purge |
| 06:16.45 | geek_ | is there anywhere i can get *just* the etch and half kernel for etch? i have an etch system with a wireless adaptor which it probably supports, and i want to give it a shot without burning another CD |
| 06:16.50 | Lagbolt | :) its ok. i think it all helps the learning. a lil confusion helps keep the mind sharp |
| 06:16.54 | Nyle | hey |
| 06:16.59 | Nyle | is emacs only for lisp ? |
| 06:17.04 | zeeble | no. |
| 06:17.05 | Nyle | or can I use it for php |
| 06:17.11 | zeeble | you can use it for anything. |
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| 06:17.13 | Lagbolt | geek_, you can add the etch and half source and install the kernel i believe |
| 06:17.29 | zeeble | Nyle: why do you want to use emacs? cos it has a "cult" following, and it is cool? |
| 06:17.31 | geek_ | Lagbolt, not an option. the only way that box can get online is wirelessly ;p |
| 06:17.41 | p1ngp0ng | EmleyMoor: so purge is the best choise if you want to remove something completly? |
| 06:17.42 | Nyle | zeeble, no idea |
| 06:17.47 | geek_ | (hense my problem...) |
| 06:17.50 | Nyle | zeeble, people said to check out vim and emacs |
| 06:17.57 | Nyle | they two seem to be most popular |
| 06:17.57 | Lagbolt | geek_, you could download the packages and cp them to machine via usb |
| 06:18.02 | Jesse1 | ok I will be back |
| 06:18.08 | geek_ | Lagbolt: yeah.. where? |
| 06:18.10 | Lagbolt | geek_, just make sure get all the dependencies :( |
| 06:18.10 | zeeble | Nyle: well, then get a simpler editor. vim is easier to use. and lighter, etc. learn it and use it for php. |
| 06:18.12 | Nyle | zeeble, you got anything else? |
| 06:18.15 | Jesse1 | after I have done what you said |
| 06:18.17 | zeeble | Nyle: from the command line. |
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| 06:18.27 | Nyle | zeeble, I need syntax hilighting |
| 06:18.36 | zeeble | Nyle: and most systems will have vim installed by default, not necessarily emacs |
| 06:18.36 | Lagbolt | geek_, what is the machine you are on now? |
| 06:18.43 | geek_ | Lagbolt: i assume all i'd really need is the kernel, unless i need to get another debian install up |
| 06:18.44 | Lagbolt | geek_, is it etch? |
| 06:18.52 | Nyle | zeeble, word/tag/function/etc. etc. total completion |
| 06:18.54 | geek_ | Lagbolt: ubuntu |
| 06:18.58 | geek_ | erm, windows... |
| 06:19.07 | Nyle | pref not with tab key but with inline autocompletion as you type |
| 06:19.09 | zeeble | Nyle: yeah, vim does syntacs highlighting. you need to tell it to. |
| 06:19.12 | geek_ | the box i'm trying to put it on is an old PIII |
| 06:19.12 | Nyle | is there any cli tht can do this |
| 06:19.14 | rati | Nyle: checkout vimrc |
| 06:19.19 | Lagbolt | geek_, lol so you have an etch machine that cant use wireless cause of kernel? |
| 06:19.31 | zeeble | Nyle: no. no cli does syntax completion. not that i know of |
| 06:19.34 | zeeble | haha. |
| 06:19.35 | geek_ | Lagbolt: yup. and... no way to get ethernet on it |
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| 06:20.29 | Lagbolt | geek_, well normally iw ould say packages.debian.org but i dont think etch and a half is on there |
| 06:20.40 | Nyle | zeeble, then that sucks |
| 06:20.53 | Nyle | I know emacs does tab completion of whatever is preconfigured in its modes |
| 06:20.56 | Lagbolt | geek_, not sure how many package need to be upgraded to get that kernel to install |
| 06:21.24 | geek_ | Lagbolt: could i download the etch and half disk, loopmount that and use it as a source? |
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| 06:22.05 | Lagbolt | geek_, dont think there is etchandhalf installer |
| 06:22.19 | geek_ | ... |
| 06:22.29 | geek_ | gawd... i hate netinstalls >< |
| 06:22.31 | Lagbolt | geek_, you could use a virtual machine in windows to get a simple instlll then get the packages that way using apt-get -d |
| 06:22.42 | geek_ | what does -d do? |
| 06:22.49 | geek_ | hmm that may be acceptable... |
| 06:22.50 | Lagbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.03 | cydork | Lagbolt: yes there is.. |
| 06:23.04 | Lagbolt | can you just compile the wireless driver? |
| 06:23.10 | geek_ | lol |
| 06:23.19 | Lagbolt | cydork, there is? cool so he can use it as a source? |
| 06:23.21 | geek_ | its a RT2500... i might |
| 06:23.26 | rati | zeeble: I have internet slow so its taking time. What I have done is run tasksel and in that I have selected Desktop environment and start installing it |
| 06:23.53 | Lagbolt | hmm |
| 06:24.14 | zeeble | rati: yeah, that is fine, i guess. |
| 06:24.16 | Lagbolt | !tell geek_ about rt2500 |
| 06:24.21 | zeeble | but that might install gnome or kde or something |
| 06:24.44 | Lagbolt | looks like you can compile it long as you have the packages needed. and you can of course download etch CDs or DVDs to get sources that have said packages |
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| 06:24.49 | cydork | Lagbolt: yeah i guess so.. |
| 06:25.18 | geek_ | Lagbolt: I have the etch DVD... so... |
| 06:25.30 | cydork | Lagbolt: geek_: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf |
| 06:25.38 | rati | zeeble: ya its installed gnome. now I have that error gone, but It cant find font and Security Policy file |
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| 06:25.45 | geek_ | Lagbolt: i'd need to download the driver as well. i tried that ;p |
| 06:25.54 | zeeble | rati: cool. so X starts fine now, right? |
| 06:25.59 | geek_ | cydork: downloaded ;p |
| 06:26.06 | p1ngp0ng | is ttf-bitstream-vera important? |
| 06:26.12 | Lagbolt | geek_, you have that CD already? |
| 06:26.12 | geek_ | well will be in 3 min |
| 06:26.21 | geek_ | Lagbolt: naw, i will in 3 minutes |
| 06:26.29 | Lagbolt | geek_, oh lol yeah just you apt-cdrom and add it to your sources |
| 06:27.06 | geek_ | just needs to remember how to loopmount... |
| 06:27.20 | rmcg | with this dual cpu, dual core EM64T xeon box, running the amd64 port, do you guys think there's any value in moving from etch's .18 to etchnhalf's .24 linux version? .18 seems to be working fine |
| 06:27.21 | rati | zeeble: no |
| 06:27.25 | Lagbolt | geek_, just burn it and add the cd as a source |
| 06:27.32 | geek_ | i guess |
| 06:27.37 | zeeble | rati: huh? what error do you get? |
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| 06:28.48 | geek_ | rmcg: well number of cores/cpus would be more a matter of smp support... |
| 06:29.02 | geek_ | so.. if it mostly works, don't fix what isn't broken ;p |
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| 06:29.17 | zeeble | rati: do apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg |
| 06:29.18 | rmcg | newish hardware, .24 has a few changes over .18 regarding AMD64 |
| 06:29.21 | geek_ | hmm |
| 06:29.37 | geek_ | should it be dist-upgrade or upgrade between etch and etch and half? |
| 06:29.51 | zeeble | what's etch and half? |
| 06:30.07 | geek_ | zeeble: etch with newer packages |
| 06:30.20 | zeeble | nah, just upgrade should be fine |
| 06:30.37 | wols | !tell zeeble about etchnhalf |
| 06:30.39 | Lagbolt | !etchandahalf |
| 06:30.40 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf, or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 06:30.45 | Lagbolt | oops sorry wols |
| 06:30.58 | rati | zeeble: it says that error openning security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy |
| 06:31.19 | geek_ | notes for a old/IBM box his brother's old thinkpad is being a pain |
| 06:31.29 | geek_ | it seems to like debian though ;p |
| 06:32.39 | rmcg | uh, wiki says moving from etch's 2.6.18 to etch's 2.6.24 isn't garantees to work, but that upgrades from either of those to lenny will be supported |
| 06:32.40 | zeeble | wtf. i thought that security policy bug was gone long ago |
| 06:33.16 | rati | zeeble: and Fatal Server error: could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 06:34.08 | AcTiVaTe | reinstall x11-font-alias |
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| 06:35.33 | rmcg | ahh screw it, can stay with 2.6.18 |
| 06:35.36 | zeeble | rati: install as activate said. then for good measure, do apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg. |
| 06:35.36 | rmcg | later all |
| 06:35.50 | rati | zeeble: ok |
| 06:36.16 | rati | AcTiVaTe: no package x11-font-alias |
| 06:36.32 | zeeble | apt-cache search font alias |
| 06:36.43 | AcTiVaTe | rati: Sorry, I'm not a debian desktop user, only server ;) |
| 06:37.00 | AcTiVaTe | Just recognized the problem ;) |
| 06:37.18 | geek_ | meh |
| 06:37.21 | geek_ | dosen't seem to work |
| 06:37.38 | geek_ | i'll try using etch and half as a fresh install |
| 06:37.52 | rati | zeeble: no pacage for x11 |
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| 06:44.18 | geek_ | hmm |
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| 06:45.03 | geek_ | looks like i'll update dosen't do the kernel. i assume i need to use linux-image-2.6.24 ? |
| 06:45.16 | wols | geek_: yes |
| 06:45.24 | wols | that's the etchnhalf kernel |
| 06:45.29 | geek_ | *nods* |
| 06:45.51 | geek_ | i'd assumed it would be automatic... this should be fun, especially since i may reinstall the whole system |
| 06:46.39 | Lagbolt | geek_, does it show in apt-cache search? prob need dist up for etch and half |
| 06:47.24 | geek_ | Lagbolt: dist-upgrade breaks, due to apparnetly some ghostscript related packages |
| 06:47.39 | p1ngp0ng | visudo, edit it how you want blah blah. then exit save and visudo -f |
| 06:47.40 | p1ngp0ng | ? |
| 06:47.43 | p1ngp0ng | is that correct? |
| 06:48.02 | Lagbolt | geek_, well just install the 24 kern manually if the source is added |
| 06:48.07 | geek_ | (ironically, getting wireless should allow me to fix that) |
| 06:48.16 | geek_ | Lagbolt: yeah, just wanted to make sire |
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| 06:49.12 | geek_ | *sure |
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| 06:53.30 | slurpee_ | how can I use the patch command in debian? |
| 06:53.33 | slurpee_ | patch -p1 -N < cacti-plugin-0.8.7b-PA-v2.1.diff |
| 06:53.47 | rati | I cant get xserver working. I get error openning security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy |
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| 06:54.19 | wantok | slurpee_: same you use patch anyware else probably |
| 06:54.20 | wols | rati: how did you install your xserver exactly? |
| 06:54.31 | wols | slurpee_: that'S one way, yes |
| 06:55.54 | rati | wols: I have upgraded from etch-->lenny using dist-upgrade, after that my xserver fonts are not working. I tried to configure it. Then i remove xserver-xorg and removed /etc/X11 folder |
| 06:56.14 | wols | rati: removed /etc/X11/ how? |
| 06:56.18 | slurpee_ | ? |
| 06:56.31 | rati | after that I run tasksel and selected Desktop environment and try to install it |
| 06:56.44 | rati | wols: manuall removed it ;( |
| 06:56.45 | wols | answer me |
| 06:56.51 | wols | stupid, very stupid |
| 06:56.55 | wols | !tell rati about confmiss |
| 06:56.56 | HolyTux_ | slurpee_: patch is the same in debian as on any system |
| 06:57.16 | wols | rati: purge any and all Xorg package, then install xorg |
| 06:57.37 | slurpee_ | i am following a readme file |
| 06:57.38 | slurpee_ | Drop the patch into your cacti directory, and then use this command on unix |
| 06:57.38 | slurpee_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.43 | rati | wols: ok |
| 06:57.47 | slurpee_ | patch -p1 -N < cacti-plugin-0.8.7b-PA-v2.1.diff |
| 06:57.56 | slurpee_ | -bash: patch: command not found |
| 06:58.05 | wantok | .... install it? |
| 06:58.08 | HolyTux_ | slurpee_: k. |
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| 06:58.36 | HolyTux_ | slurpee_: patch: /usr/bin/patch |
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| 06:59.10 | slurpee_ | no file directory |
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| 07:00.07 | wols | !tell slurpee_ about installit |
| 07:00.51 | HolyTux_ | :) |
| 07:01.01 | slurpee_ | gotcha |
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| 07:02.26 | salnet | moin |
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| 07:08.58 | Ergo^1 | hello, im having problems with installing postgresql on lenny... apt installs packages but nothing is created at /etc/pstgresql and i end up with no configuration at all |
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| 07:10.25 | h3king | hello. does the sid have mencoder's deb ? |
| 07:10.32 | wols | Ergo^1: have you manually delete those /etc/ files before? |
| 07:10.39 | wols | !tell h3king about dmm |
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| 07:10.51 | h3king | dmm? |
| 07:10.58 | Ergo^1 | wols: i think this may be possible, but i tried using the --conf-miss parameter |
| 07:11.39 | h3king | wols: what's dmm? |
| 07:11.46 | rati | wols: Can I know which packet contains update-menus? |
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| 07:12.18 | h3king | wols: thanks! i see |
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| 07:12.54 | wols | !tell rati about search |
| 07:13.12 | wols | Ergo^1: purge ALL postgres packages and install them again |
| 07:13.40 | Ergo^1 | wols: did that |
| 07:13.43 | Ergo^1 | no effect |
| 07:13.51 | Ergo^1 | apt-get purge postgresql |
| 07:14.00 | Ergo^1 | apt-get --reinstall install postgresql |
| 07:14.10 | wols | ALL postgres packages. ALL! |
| 07:14.20 | wols | not just a meta package |
| 07:14.39 | Ergo^1 | postgresql* ? |
| 07:14.47 | Ergo^1 | i did autoremove later |
| 07:15.01 | p1ngp0ng | anyone know of a command based sms sender? |
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| 07:16.47 | JordiGH | I've done. I've hosed my system. I installed Nautilus from experimental, which crashed when using any icons except the Clearlooks icons, and so I went back and installed the testing nautilus, which now crashes no matter what I do. |
| 07:17.16 | wols | JordiGH: tried with a fresh user? |
| 07:17.48 | Ergo^1 | wols: http://paste2.org/p/66255 - here are the errors i got in the end of the paste |
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| 07:18.34 | JordiGH | wols: Yes. Still crashed forever. |
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| 07:20.50 | JordiGH | I also get: nautilus: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/nautilus/extensions-1.0/libgnome-mount.so: undefined symbol: nautilus_file_info_get_drive |
| 07:20.53 | rati | wols: in my xorg.conf file I dont have any resolution in Screen section is that perfect? |
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| 07:21.48 | Ergo^1 | wols: i just remove all postgres stuff and installed it again, i have empty /etc/postgresql |
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| 07:22.51 | slurpee_ | i got my patch setup, thanx :) |
| 07:22.54 | JordiGH | Ah, wait. I see that I still have an experimental nautilus lib co-installed with a testing nautilus... |
| 07:22.55 | Ergo^1 | shouldnt the config files be present in deb package ?? |
| 07:22.59 | JordiGH | downgrades the library. |
| 07:24.09 | wols | Ergo^1: aren't postgres packages named "pgres"? and: it'S not /etc/ that needs to be empty but your dpkg -l list |
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| 07:24.15 | wols | empty of postgres stuff that is |
| 07:24.43 | Ergo^1 | wols: no postgresql packages are name postgresql-8.3 |
| 07:25.49 | wols | Ergo^1: arethere any in the listing? |
| 07:26.12 | Ergo^1 | wols: im not sure i understand the question |
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| 07:26.53 | JordiGH | Okay, now nautilus runs again... |
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| 07:27.16 | JordiGH | Except that I can't modify the theme at all from the Clearlook theme, or Nautilus crashes. |
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| 07:27.52 | JordiGH | Well, I can change colours... |
| 07:28.05 | JordiGH | But I'm stuck with the ugly Clearlooks icons. |
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| 07:28.42 | wols | Ergo^1: dpkg -l gives a listing |
| 07:29.01 | Ergo^1 | wols: http://paste2.org/p/66258 |
| 07:29.32 | wols | Ergo^1: you didn't purge |
| 07:30.09 | Ergo^1 | i did apt-get purge postgresql* |
| 07:30.52 | Ergo^1 | wols: apt-get purge postgresql-8.3 - says its not installed |
| 07:31.16 | wols | Ergo^1: I stop with you since you didn't read what I typed. so me doing it is a waste of time. good day |
| 07:32.15 | Ergo^1 | wols: i tried following what you said, maybe i didnt just understood, there is no need to get angry, really , what command do i need to type ? |
| 07:32.51 | Ergo^1 | wols: what should i do to purge the package properly ? i really want to do it "the right way" |
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| 07:34.15 | Ergo^1 | dpkg -P postgresql* |
| 07:34.15 | dpkg | Ergo^1: i haven't a clue |
| 07:35.52 | Ergo^1 | wols: please, if im to learn could you tell me what i did wrong ? i tried following your advice... |
| 07:38.18 | Ergo^1 | wols: i tried doing aptitude purge '~c' - is that what should be done ? |
| 07:38.34 | Ergo^1 | ... |
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| 07:48.49 | Ergo^1 | wols: i fixed the problem finally :) , do you have me on ignore or can you read ? for reference for future troubleshooting and advice, i had do remove manually /var/lib/postgresql/ |
| 07:48.55 | Ergo^1 | and it reinstalled fine |
| 07:51.35 | Ergo^1 | wols: anyways, thanks for advice, it really helped me |
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| 08:05.02 | p1ngp0ng | where is the config file of ftpd-ssl? |
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| 08:05.31 | Hoxzer | ia64 kernel supports Dual core right ? |
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| 08:05.52 | streuner | grep -i ftpd /etc/* ? |
| 08:06.18 | OpenTokix | Hoxzer: no |
| 08:06.25 | OpenTokix | Hoxzer: ia64 is for itanium |
| 08:06.30 | OpenTokix | Hoxzer: you want the amd64 |
| 08:06.49 | streuner | you surely need -r in order to reverse do the subfolders... |
| 08:06.53 | p1ngp0ng | streuner: grep: /etc/nologin: No such file or directory |
| 08:06.54 | fireba11 | OpenTokix: how do you know he doesn't ahve a dual core ithanium ? :-) |
| 08:07.04 | p1ngp0ng | what the command wrong maybe? |
| 08:07.19 | Hoxzer | OpenTokix: I'm using Intal Core Duo |
| 08:07.21 | OpenTokix | fireba11: If he did, he wouldnt be asking |
| 08:07.22 | streuner | p1ngp0ng: try grep -R |
| 08:07.32 | streuner | !ia64 |
| 08:07.32 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64. |
| 08:07.33 | OpenTokix | Hoxzer: yes, you should use the amd64-line of kernels |
| 08:07.49 | Hoxzer | OpenTokix: Ok, and they support dual core ? |
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| 08:08.11 | fireba11 | Hoxzer : yes, all etch kernels support dual cores |
| 08:08.20 | OpenTokix | Hoxzer: I have no idea - since the packages is size of two vhs-tapes - I assume they havem ultiple cores =) |
| 08:08.20 | Hoxzer | good |
| 08:08.33 | OpenTokix | Hoxzer: yes |
| 08:08.44 | OpenTokix | Hoxzer: confused your question with the itanium line of tought |
| 08:08.50 | p1ngp0ng | streuner: gave me a list of various daemons it looks like |
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| 08:09.18 | streuner | p1ngp0ng: it should live somewhere in /etc/*, just go into that folder, there should be a folder called ftp* or such |
| 08:09.47 | streuner | p1ngp0ng: Doesn't exist a man-page for that package? |
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| 08:10.40 | p1ngp0ng | streuner: i just thought about that my self. gonna read it now :) |
| 08:10.42 | p1ngp0ng | thanks |
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| 08:13.14 | rmrfchik | is here any with asus p5k. I want to check /proc/asound/card0/codec#0 file |
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| 08:16.33 | Ergo^1 | wols: thanks for help... dont get angry, i really appreciate all the advice you gave me numerous times |
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| 08:17.06 | morbyte | hi. are there any risks when using a colourful mixture of apt-get aptitude and synaptic? |
| 08:17.23 | rati | Can anyone paste /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy file to pastebin |
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| 08:20.05 | streuner | rati: http://paste.debian.net/15696/ |
| 08:20.19 | morbyte | rati: lenny... http://pastebin.ca/1186153 |
| 08:20.44 | streuner | rati: sid here |
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| 08:21.07 | rati | streuner: morbyte, Thanks |
| 08:21.46 | rati | Hey if I copy and paste it to xserver would it be fine? any one know which packet contains that SecurityPolicy file? |
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| 08:22.09 | rati | I tried reinstalling xserver-xorg but still I dont have that file |
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| 08:22.29 | streuner | xserver-xorg-core: /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy |
| 08:22.50 | morbyte | streuner: how did you find out? |
| 08:23.08 | rati | streuner: so reinstall it? |
| 08:23.11 | streuner | apis:/dos# dpkg -S /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy |
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| 08:23.37 | streuner | rati: apt-file search SecurityPolicy should give you some result(s) too |
| 08:23.56 | streuner | rati: /msg dpkg search |
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| 08:24.11 | morbyte | ty |
| 08:24.44 | streuner | rati: no idea what kind of thing that file is good for... |
| 08:25.02 | rati | streuner: ya Thanks, I tried to reinstall it but didnt help. I am reinstalling it conf files |
| 08:25.33 | rati | streuner: startx means display manager wants that to display |
| 08:27.34 | streuner | what happend to these conf files for X? |
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| 08:27.46 | streuner | why they are broken (so its seems to me)? |
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| 08:28.02 | streuner | rati: y |
| 08:28.06 | streuner | y |
| 08:28.09 | streuner | damn |
| 08:28.29 | rati | streuner: actually I have updated to etch--->lenny and I havent xserver working properly |
| 08:28.48 | streuner | rati: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 08:29.03 | rati | so I remved xserver and manually removed /etc/X11 :( thats stupid |
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| 08:29.12 | rati | streuner: let me check |
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| 08:30.17 | rati | ii libc6 2.7-13 GNU C library: Shared libraries |
| 08:30.23 | streuner | well, just remove X then with all conf files of X and reinstall X then |
| 08:30.47 | streuner | or better; restore from backup |
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| 08:31.36 | rati | streuner: no backup. I have removed /etc/X11 is that fine? then i am trying to install it everything |
| 08:31.51 | streuner | yep, try that |
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| 08:33.23 | rati | streuner: ya i did same thing yesterday. so I dont have that SecurityPolicy and other conf file. Now startx doesnt give error abbout that conf file. but it says that couldnt open default font 'fixed' |
| 08:34.19 | rati | another thing in my xorg.conf nothing is there. means most of the things are not there. like resolution in screen section |
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| 08:46.57 | kringalf | hi guys, is there a way to stop apt-get from starting services that are installed? (i wanna install some stuff in a chroot but that shouldn't be started, just installed) |
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| 08:48.47 | p1ngp0ng | how do you disable the tab switching in console? |
| 08:48.58 | p1ngp0ng | like alt+1 etc |
| 08:49.09 | p1ngp0ng | it messes up my irssi tabs |
| 08:50.06 | et | "console"? |
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| 08:51.31 | p1ngp0ng | sorry, terminal |
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| 08:51.57 | saimonn | p1ngp0ng: try [Esc]+1 instead of alt 1 to swithc irssi tabs |
| 08:51.58 | p1ngp0ng | also, i wonder, is it a good idea to comment the backports url in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 08:52.20 | petemc | only if you dont want backported packages |
| 08:52.22 | p1ngp0ng | saimonn: thanks :) |
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| 08:53.52 | saimonn | p1ngp0ng: you can also use ctrl-n/p if you don't have dozen of tabs open |
| 08:53.56 | p1ngp0ng | petemc: it will only install updated backported packages if i allready have such a package installed right? |
| 08:54.06 | Vi^3PP | does anyone know where i can find set up/how to information on jailer? |
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| 08:54.35 | Hick0rd | Is it possible to disable GZIP compression? |
| 08:54.36 | p1ngp0ng | saimonn: neat |
| 08:55.23 | berzerka | Hick0rd: no. |
| 08:55.33 | berzerka | Hick0rd: not generally^^ |
| 08:55.59 | EmleyMoor | Sending a message with imp4 (horde3), I get a STOP: Required "phptype" not specified in configuration. |
| 08:56.06 | EmleyMoor | What doI need to do to fix that? |
| 08:56.33 | p1ngp0ng | do i need to install both compiz and compiz-gnome or just compiz? |
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| 08:56.54 | p1ngp0ng | if i have gnome that is |
| 08:56.54 | EmleyMoor | p1ngp0ng: Do you want gnome support for it? |
| 08:57.04 | p1ngp0ng | well, yeh sure why not. :P |
| 08:57.17 | p1ngp0ng | so i need both then ok |
| 08:57.21 | Hick0rd | berzerka, what do you mean? |
| 08:57.26 | EmleyMoor | OK - just compiz-gnome then - and add compiz if compiz-gnome does not do so automatically |
| 08:57.38 | Hick0rd | berzerka, I have a script which sends information to the browser during page loading and I think that GZIP compression causes that all needed information show up only when page has been already loaded... It would be great if only one script or one folder could have GZIP compression disabled, because as I know GZIP compression speeds up page loading. |
| 08:58.12 | Vi^3PP | !dpkg jailer |
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| 08:58.37 | berzerka | Hick0rd: you have a web server and the content lies in (partially?) gzip-compressed folders? |
| 08:59.06 | p1ngp0ng | hmf, this is getting annoying, i get segmentation faults all the time |
| 08:59.10 | jelly-home | berzerka: no, apache has a module that does compression on-the-fly |
| 08:59.19 | berzerka | Hick0rd: i just found your initial question very unspecific.. |
| 08:59.28 | p1ngp0ng | i tried to run compiz and it gave me the seg fault, i also get it when i try to run xms |
| 08:59.31 | p1ngp0ng | xmms |
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| 09:00.03 | p1ngp0ng | hmm, is it possible to get seg faults due to damage RAM? |
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| 09:00.25 | berzerka | Hick0rd: so you want to disable the on-the-fly compression for one specific folder. don't know wether it is possible :/ |
| 09:00.26 | EmleyMoor | p1ngp0ng: Faulty RAM is a big cause of tem |
| 09:00.27 | EmleyMoor | them |
| 09:01.20 | berzerka | Hick0rd: is this apache 2.x? |
| 09:01.37 | Hick0rd | berzerka, yes. |
| 09:01.55 | p1ngp0ng | EmleyMoor: i've been seeing some strange errors at bootup lately, im checking my dmesg now |
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| 09:02.43 | Hick0rd | berzerka, Can I disable the on-the-fly compression for one specific folder? |
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| 09:02.48 | berzerka | Hick0rd: this module? http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_deflate.html |
| 09:02.50 | p1ngp0ng | PCI: Failed to allocate mem resource #6:20000@e0000000 for 0000:01:00.0 What does that mean? |
| 09:03.39 | berzerka | Hick0rd: guessing from what i read.. there is a line "AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE text/html text/plain text/xml" which instructs apache to compress only certain types. i would _guess_ that there is also something like AddOutputFilterByDirectory or ByPattern ... |
| 09:03.40 | p1ngp0ng | PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 8 of bridge 0000:00:1c.0 Also got alot of those |
| 09:03.40 | rati | I dont have any fonts in /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType . how can I get that fonts? |
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| 09:04.10 | TiMiDo | Preconfiguring packages ... |
| 09:04.10 | TiMiDo | dpkg: cupsys: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request: |
| 09:04.10 | TiMiDo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:04.10 | dpkg | TiMiDo: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 09:04.13 | Hick0rd | berzerka, It compress content before it is delivered to the client |
| 09:04.18 | TiMiDo | how can i fixed this/ |
| 09:05.32 | berzerka | Hick0rd: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#setoutputfilter |
| 09:05.54 | berzerka | Hick0rd: seems like this does what you are looking for. |
| 09:06.02 | psycodad | Moin all, can somebody recommend me a ftp server on etch that has or can be combined with an (Web) GUI to manage FTP Users ? I have an enduser that wants to manage his ftp servers accounts... thanks for any pointers. |
| 09:06.16 | p1ngp0ng | http://pastebin.com/m4a48bc24 any ideas? |
| 09:06.42 | zeeble | psycodad: uh... pureftpd |
| 09:07.08 | psycodad | zeeble: thx, ill check it. |
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| 09:08.56 | TiMiDo | Preconfiguring packages ... |
| 09:08.56 | TiMiDo | dpkg: cupsys: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request: |
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| 09:08.56 | TiMiDo | dpkg: error processing cupsys (--remove): |
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| 09:08.56 | dpkg | TiMiDo: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 09:08.57 | dpkg | timido: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 09:09.01 | TiMiDo | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.03 | TiMiDo | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 09:09.05 | TiMiDo | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.07 | TiMiDo | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 09:09.09 | TiMiDo | how come im getting this error? |
| 09:09.11 | TiMiDo | how can i fixed it |
| 09:09.22 | Vi^3PP | ru root TiMiDo |
| 09:09.35 | psycodad | zeeble: holy sheep, there are quite handful GUI tools to it, thanx, exactly what i need as it seems. |
| 09:09.40 | TiMiDo | Vi^3PP, ? |
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| 09:09.50 | geek_ | I'm trying to connect to a WPA/WPA2 network using a rt2500 adaptor. It detects my network, but the key seems to get rejected... any ideas on what i might be missing? |
| 09:10.09 | geek_ | running etch and half / pretty much default |
| 09:10.12 | Vi^3PP | TiMiDo, to install packages you must be root |
| 09:10.31 | TiMiDo | Vi^3PP, i know that |
| 09:10.36 | TiMiDo | im just having error with it |
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| 09:11.11 | tralala | geek_, what's your wpa-sup.conf? |
| 09:11.14 | visik7 | what's wrong on packages.debian.org? |
| 09:11.18 | Hick0rd | berzerka, thanks dude. I'm going to read about this module. it might help me as well. |
| 09:11.38 | HolyTux_ | TiMiDo: is the package correct: it might be that it is returning an error from a preinst, ... script |
| 09:11.48 | TiMiDo | HolyTux_, how do i fixed it? |
| 09:11.51 | p1ngp0ng | geek_: iirc, there is no official driver for it that supports wpa. i might be wrong here tho |
| 09:11.56 | Vi^3PP | so no one here has used the package jailer or knows a good how to on it? this is debian package to set up a chroot jail for ssh users |
| 09:11.57 | geek_ | tralala: erm.. no idea, i assumed using network manager i didn't need it |
| 09:12.10 | HolyTux_ | TiMiDo: do you know the package is correct? did you get it from an official source? |
| 09:12.28 | TiMiDo | ofcourse i did |
| 09:12.47 | tralala | geek_, I don't know if network manager does wpa. I'd suggest installing and configuring wpasupplicant |
| 09:12.47 | geek_ | p1ngp0ng: thats a bit of a pain...lettme try connecting to a unsecured acess point, in case ;p |
| 09:13.14 | geek_ | tralala: any GUI for that? |
| 09:13.27 | tralala | geek_, I don't know |
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| 09:13.54 | maligor | geek_, gui for what? |
| 09:14.03 | maligor | you don't need wpa-sup.conf for nm |
| 09:14.05 | EmleyMoor | What do I need to install to get Date_Holidays support in kronolith2? |
| 09:14.06 | geek_ | maligor: WPA supplicant |
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| 09:14.19 | maligor | or I never configured it |
| 09:14.31 | geek_ | maligor: well, nm dosen't seem to connect to it |
| 09:14.36 | Hick0rd | Does VPN server require two NIC cards ? |
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| 09:14.50 | geek_ | that was my initial issue. it makes an attempt to connect, then rejects my passwor |
| 09:14.59 | maligor | geek_, wrong password? |
| 09:15.11 | geek_ | maligor: correct password for sure |
| 09:16.10 | geek_ | i managed to connect to an unsecure AP, should do for now ;p |
| 09:16.39 | p1ngp0ng | you could allways try ndiswrapper |
| 09:16.46 | Vi^3PP | geek_, sounds almost like my ssh problem |
| 09:16.50 | visik7 | what's wrong on packages.debian.org can you search through it ? |
| 09:16.52 | Vi^3PP | i found out it was a pam issue |
| 09:17.01 | geek_ | Vi^3PP: o0 |
| 09:17.12 | Vi^3PP | i had to adjust the allow users function in security |
| 09:17.14 | geek_ | i'm not even storing the passwords ;p |
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| 09:17.50 | geek_ | is thankful some dummies still have unsecured APs.. |
| 09:17.56 | geek_ | unless they did it on purpose |
| 09:18.07 | p1ngp0ng | i know i would ;) |
| 09:18.31 | maligor | geek_, you definately need wpa supplicant installed tho |
| 09:18.33 | p1ngp0ng | huhuh sniff sniff |
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| 09:18.59 | geek_ | maligor: i'll check that out post update |
| 09:19.03 | geek_ | its probably not installed |
| 09:19.58 | p1ngp0ng | grep -i /etc/wpa/* :P |
| 09:20.03 | p1ngp0ng | i just learned that my self :P |
| 09:20.05 | p1ngp0ng | hehehe |
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| 09:21.16 | geek_ | there's a /etc/wpa_supplicant file |
| 09:21.20 | geek_ | *dir |
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| 09:21.27 | geek_ | i'll check if its installed in a bit anyway |
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| 09:22.06 | maligor | I use wpa2-psk and it's worked automagically with nm |
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| 09:23.56 | EvilDin | hi, anyone have any idea how to get work 03:04.0 Multimedia controller: Twinhan Technology Co. Ltd Mantis DTV PCI Bridge Controller [Ver 1.0] (rev 01) |
| 09:25.29 | maligor | mantis, eh |
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| 09:26.11 | tralala | EvilDin, is that a tv tuner? |
| 09:26.19 | EvilDin | sat tuner |
| 09:26.36 | wols | !hcl | EvilDin |
| 09:26.41 | wols | !hcl |
| 09:26.41 | dpkg | from memory, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 09:27.42 | EvilDin | i know that is not supported by debian kernel |
| 09:27.49 | EvilDin | i am just asking what to do ? |
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| 09:28.04 | maligor | http://www.verbraak.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Mantis_driver |
| 09:28.17 | tralala | EvilDin, is it supported by a newer kernel? |
| 09:28.35 | tralala | and which debian are you running? |
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| 09:28.43 | p1ngp0ng | tell me, are all distros as easy as debian now? with the expetion of slackware ofc :P |
| 09:28.58 | p1ngp0ng | exception* |
| 09:29.01 | wols | EvilDin: you download the mantis drivers and compile your own kernel |
| 09:29.17 | EvilDin | aha ok |
| 09:29.33 | wols | p1ngp0ng: usually, people say debian is one of the harder distros |
| 09:29.35 | EvilDin | so debian doesn't have any unstable kernel repository with newer kernel |
| 09:29.46 | p1ngp0ng | wols: O_o |
| 09:30.06 | wols | EvilDin: it does. unstable has a newer kernel |
| 09:30.06 | p1ngp0ng | wols: i find it easy |
| 09:30.19 | p1ngp0ng | wols: but that might be because i've spendt most of my time in slackware |
| 09:30.36 | drazak | p1ngp0ng: gentoo is hard, debian is easy |
| 09:30.41 | EvilDin | wols: but i just want to have newer unstable kernel not whole system |
| 09:30.46 | maligor | EvilDin, I don't think the mantis driver is in the kernel |
| 09:31.06 | p1ngp0ng | drazak: then gentoo is next on my list. |
| 09:31.08 | tralala | p1ngp0ng, debian has a little more "engineering" approach. Some people find that difficult. |
| 09:31.36 | p1ngp0ng | tralala: what do you mean by that? like tweaking etc to make things work? |
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| 09:32.13 | maligor | EvilDin, what model number is it? |
| 09:32.21 | gustaf1 | hello. where do I file bugs which aren't related to a single package, but rather to a debian port (AMD64 to be precise)? |
| 09:32.35 | tralala | p1ngp0ng, yes and being generally more console oriented for setting up |
| 09:32.48 | p1ngp0ng | i like that |
| 09:32.52 | p1ngp0ng | i like that alot |
| 09:33.06 | tralala | gustaf1, /msg dpkg bts |
| 09:33.56 | EvilDin | CableStar HD2 |
| 09:34.02 | tralala | me too, but users with windows(-like distros) background are scared |
| 09:34.17 | p1ngp0ng | heheh yeh i can understand that |
| 09:34.44 | p1ngp0ng | the main reason im moving away from windows is because the lack of engineering ability |
| 09:34.53 | petemc | gustaf1: what kind of bug, out of interest |
| 09:35.00 | p1ngp0ng | i feel some what confined in windows |
| 09:35.00 | tralala | of course once you realize that the mouse is not the only way to talk to a computer debian is quite easy and powerful |
| 09:35.11 | zeeble | heh |
| 09:35.27 | berzerka | how do i detect the model and type of my graphics card, if the lspci output is "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 0612 (rev a2)", and i don't want to open my chassis? :) |
| 09:35.56 | maligor | EvilDin, wouldn't that be a cable tuner? |
| 09:36.04 | tralala | berzerka, lspci -n |
| 09:36.05 | p1ngp0ng | tralala: and also, it makes you way cooler when you sit in console, and the chicks will just gather arround you and worship you like a god lol j/k |
| 09:36.07 | gustaf1 | petemc: it's this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/24692 but for debian AMD64. A lot of libraries are built with 2**21 byte (2mb) alignment, causing _huge_ memory usage for all processes.. |
| 09:36.26 | EvilDin | it is both |
| 09:36.54 | berzerka | tralala: is there a public database of vendor/product ids? |
| 09:36.55 | tralala | p1ngp0ng, yeah... I wouldn't put too much hope on that. You better specialize in graphic design if you want to impress women. |
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| 09:37.31 | p1ngp0ng | tralala: hehe, or just install compiz and have a terminal windows with a nice background to it :P |
| 09:37.33 | tralala | berzerka, I don't know, but if you get nvidia's windows drivers and search for this pciid you'll probably find the model |
| 09:37.36 | zamba | i need a tool for performing ocr from images |
| 09:37.42 | zamba | any suggestions? |
| 09:37.54 | p1ngp0ng | btw tralala you from scandinavia? |
| 09:37.58 | berzerka | tralala: alright. would have been interested generally. also for usb devices etc. |
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| 09:38.11 | tralala | p1ngp0ng, quite far from there, actually |
| 09:38.17 | zamba | <- from scandinavia |
| 09:38.19 | p1ngp0ng | oh ok. its jsut your nick |
| 09:38.25 | p1ngp0ng | seemed scandinavian |
| 09:38.29 | p1ngp0ng | lo zamba |
| 09:38.34 | tralala | my nick is international |
| 09:38.35 | zeeble | zamba: gocr, and ocrad |
| 09:38.36 | zamba | p1ngp0ng: hepp :) |
| 09:39.01 | p1ngp0ng | hehe, well its in the eye of the beholer i guess |
| 09:39.05 | p1ngp0ng | beholder* |
| 09:39.21 | zeeble | zamba: and there's some OCR project at code.google.com that works well. |
| 09:39.22 | p1ngp0ng | zamba: norsk? |
| 09:39.25 | extor | What are some decent banner exchange companies? |
| 09:39.29 | zamba | p1ngp0ng: norsk, ja :) |
| 09:39.30 | zeeble | zamba: its called tessaract or something |
| 09:39.36 | tralala | I should make a list of countries people think my nick is coming from |
| 09:39.41 | zamba | zeeble: oh, thanks.. i'll check it out |
| 09:39.42 | p1ngp0ng | heisann heisann :) |
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| 09:45.50 | TiMiDo | can someone help me with this error http://pastebin.ca/1186194 |
| 09:45.51 | TiMiDo | please |
| 09:47.00 | tralala | TiMiDo, which debian are you running? |
| 09:47.19 | TiMiDo | lenny |
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| 09:50.48 | TiMiDo | any ideas? |
| 09:50.59 | tralala | try aptitude reinstall cupsys |
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| 09:52.11 | TiMiDo | i guess that worked |
| 09:52.59 | TiMiDo | nope it did not |
| 09:53.43 | tralala | some logs will be much more useful than "(not)worked" statements |
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| 09:54.57 | TiMiDo | tralala, now it broked |
| 09:55.02 | TiMiDo | tralala, can you join #flood? |
| 09:55.09 | TiMiDo | so i can pasted the error |
| 09:55.22 | tralala | put it on rafb.net/paste |
| 09:55.38 | geek_ | right, i can confirm i got wpasupplicant installed.. |
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| 09:56.01 | MrWax | I can't su root anymore, but I can do sudo su |
| 09:56.07 | MrWax | does anyone know how this can be? |
| 09:56.14 | geek_ | o0 |
| 09:56.27 | geek_ | you installed sudo and your root account may not have a password |
| 09:56.27 | cast | changed /etc/pam.d/su? |
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| 09:56.33 | TiMiDo | http://rafb.net/p/Z87tP783.html tralala |
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| 09:57.17 | tralala | TiMiDo, what about the reinstall log? |
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| 09:57.48 | Lagbolt | MrWax, sudo su then passwd to make a root password perhaps |
| 09:58.01 | Lagbolt | MrWax, were you able to su before? |
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| 09:58.36 | TiMiDo | tralala, where is that log at? |
| 10:00.03 | tralala | TiMiDo, on the console where you ran it |
| 10:00.20 | TiMiDo | tralala, hmm what is going on with the system |
| 10:01.34 | wols | TiMiDo: looks like mixing packages from lenny and etch |
| 10:02.10 | TiMiDo | i've been working on it for several ours |
| 10:02.15 | TiMiDo | *hours |
| 10:02.22 | wols | TiMiDo: do a apt-cache policy for libbonoboui and for libgtk |
| 10:02.38 | rati_ | wols I have xserver start running. problem is that I cant see fonts in xserver. I cant see perfectly my menu and desktop icons |
| 10:02.48 | TiMiDo | wols, join #flood |
| 10:02.54 | wols | TiMiDo: no |
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| 10:03.16 | wols | TiMiDo: stop that! |
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| 10:04.11 | geek_ | TiMiDo: please use a pastebit... |
| 10:04.14 | geek_ | *bin |
| 10:04.18 | TiMiDo | ok |
| 10:04.36 | geek_ | posting LARGE bits of text is VERY VERY impolite |
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| 10:05.34 | rati_ | !pastebin |
| 10:05.34 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 10:05.45 | petemc | joining and startiing again after being kicked is plain stupid |
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| 10:06.31 | TiMiDo | !lart petemc |
| 10:06.31 | dpkg | shoves a crumpet down petemc's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
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| 10:07.05 | rati | sorry I got disconnected |
| 10:07.08 | petemc | TiMiDo: you're a moron |
| 10:07.30 | TiMiDo | thank you |
| 10:07.41 | wols | petemc: the joys of auto-rejoin inirc clients |
| 10:07.46 | geek_ | ok.. same issue i had earlier, wireless (rt2500USB on etch) works with unencrypted but not WPA connections- i'm using network manager, and wpasupplicant is installed. I have the correct wpa key, but it seems to get rejected.. any ideas? |
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| 10:08.00 | wols | it's one of the reasons why autorejoins should be automatically be banned |
| 10:08.09 | TiMiDo | wols, what do i do? |
| 10:08.19 | wols | TiMiDo: you stop being a moron. good luck |
| 10:08.53 | wols | geek_: you sure the driver can support wpa? |
| 10:08.58 | Hick0rd | Does VPN server require two NIC cards ? |
| 10:09.06 | wols | Hick0rd: no |
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| 10:09.34 | rati | wols: Any idea about my problem. I have reinstalled all xserver-xorg related packages and I have xserver running but I cant see any fonts in xserver. fonts works fine in xterm terminal |
| 10:09.38 | wols | Hick0rd: depending on protocol, a static, public IP is a must tho or very painful without |
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| 10:10.01 | wols | rati: xterm is a X client and uess X fonts |
| 10:10.04 | Hick0rd | wols, then what is the requirement to make a VPN server |
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| 10:10.14 | wols | Hick0rd: VPN software |
| 10:10.25 | kasmra | hi, 'lshw' shows my machine's memory size to be 896MiB, but 'sudo lshw' shows its size as 1538Mib (which is correct). is this normal? |
| 10:10.33 | rati | wols: ok. why I cant see that in my xserver |
| 10:10.55 | kasmra | 'uname -a' Linux foresto 2.6.25-2-486 #1 Fri Jul 18 17:03:35 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:10.57 | wols | rati: if you see fonts in your xterm, they are working |
| 10:11.14 | Hick0rd | wols, yes. |
| 10:11.16 | wols | kasmra: cause you run a -486 kernel |
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| 10:11.31 | rati | wols: ok. so Is there any other problem? you point me out? |
| 10:11.35 | wols | kasmra: what cpu? |
| 10:11.52 | wols | rati: the problem is you giving contradictory statements imho |
| 10:12.02 | kasmra | rati, amd athlon xp 2200+ |
| 10:12.13 | wols | kasmra: the a -686 kernel then |
| 10:12.21 | wols | *get a |
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| 10:12.36 | kasmra | wols, ah ok, thank you |
| 10:13.26 | rati | wols: :( sorry. Can I show you my desktop screenshot if it takes? |
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| 10:13.38 | MrWax | Lagbolt: not sure |
| 10:13.44 | MrWax | Lagbolt: where is it set? |
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| 10:17.13 | MrWax | Lagbolt: nvm got it |
| 10:17.47 | Lagbolt | MrWax, cool |
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| 10:25.59 | Hick0rd | What is /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
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| 10:27.46 | trifler | "msn to irc" hard to conf? |
| 10:28.08 | geek_ | nope |
| 10:28.12 | geek_ | you just need bitlbee |
| 10:28.19 | jelly | Hick0rd: man proc |
| 10:28.20 | geek_ | which i seem to recall is in the repositories |
| 10:28.33 | rati | wols: See what I am getting on my desktop http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2yn3t5g&s=4 |
| 10:28.34 | geek_ | erm i mean trifler: bitlebee ;p |
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| 10:30.12 | trifler | geek_: I spelled right the first time :) |
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| 10:31.55 | geek_ | trifler: oops ;p |
| 10:31.58 | trifler | geek_: bitlbee you say huh I'll look into that ty. |
| 10:33.11 | geek_ | trifler: its the only way to do that. i think its a single line to run the server, and everything else is controlled via the IRC client |
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| 10:33.37 | cast | just /connect im.bitlbee.org |
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| 10:33.50 | ^Clicker | how do I generate curl-ca-bundle.crt in curl? |
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| 10:34.15 | cast | [then account add msn email passwd |
| 10:34.23 | cast | [account on 0] |
| 10:34.40 | geek_ | ... i forgot there's a public server |
| 10:34.57 | geek_ | is too used to running everything himself |
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| 10:36.15 | trifler | cast: come again [then... ? |
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| 10:36.23 | trifler | cast: I don't understand that part |
| 10:36.39 | cast | once you're in the channel, just read the help ^_^ |
| 10:36.47 | trifler | cast: roger |
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| 10:43.01 | b0ef | I want to install gnome, but the target gnome in apt installs a whole bunch of stuff, like evince, epiphany and such, but is there a lighter target to just install gnome-panel, nautilus ans such? |
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| 10:43.24 | b0ef | s/ans/and/ |
| 10:43.31 | sladi | b0ef: Just install panel and nautilus yourself? |
| 10:43.41 | sladi | b0ef: should work I guess |
| 10:43.55 | b0ef | right, thought about that, but maybe there was a gnome-desktop-clean target;) |
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| 10:46.08 | simmerz | what would be the easiest way to get my entire hard drive copied to a directory on an external drive? |
| 10:46.20 | b0ef | cause gnome doesn't "depend" on evince.. |
| 10:46.33 | Lagbolt | simmerz, depends, do you want a bit for bit or just a compressed image |
| 10:46.48 | tralala | b0ef, try gnome-core |
| 10:46.56 | b0ef | tralala: ah, nice; thanks;) |
| 10:47.09 | tralala | b0ef, you're welcome |
| 10:47.17 | Lagbolt | simmerz, you can use dd and get entire thing, MBR, partition table, data even the empty space or you can use partimage . . .apt-cache show partimage |
| 10:47.28 | trifler | cast, geek_: ty that wasen't to hard ;) |
| 10:47.33 | simmerz | Lagbolt: just need the data. |
| 10:47.47 | petemc | simmerz: tar, rsync, cp |
| 10:47.52 | b0ef | you can just cp the directories, of course |
| 10:47.53 | Lagbolt | simmerz, tar rsync cp then |
| 10:47.56 | simmerz | ok |
| 10:48.05 | b0ef | I wouldn't copy /dev, though |
| 10:48.11 | simmerz | ignoring things like /sys, /proc, /dev? |
| 10:48.12 | Lagbolt | tar with compression as well, maybe a tgz |
| 10:48.26 | fireba11 | how to correctly specify charset in a plain text mail ? |
| 10:48.33 | Lagbolt | simmerz, do you want to reuse this? trying to copy debian install to another machine? |
| 10:48.33 | b0ef | simmerz: yes |
| 10:48.43 | Lagbolt | simmerz, or just backing up configs and home? |
| 10:49.05 | simmerz | Lagbolt: no. want to reinstall deb onto my laptop and want to backup my entire drive first. |
| 10:49.15 | simmerz | databases etc too for instance |
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| 10:49.26 | tralala | simmerz, rsync /usr /var /lib /etc /root and so on |
| 10:49.54 | b0ef | simmerz: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/development/chapter06/creatingdirs.html |
| 10:50.15 | simmerz | thanks. was wondering if rsync et al would be the simplest solution. looks like they are |
| 10:51.11 | tralala | simmerz, but if your external disk is big enough and you don't mind some extra time in copying you can just dd if=/dev/sda of=/external/disk/backup bs=16M |
| 10:51.27 | b0ef | simmerz: hmm, meant this: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/development/chapter06/kernfs.html |
| 10:51.33 | simmerz | tralala: 160GB -> 1TB... |
| 10:51.56 | simmerz | tralala: where "backup" will be an image, right? |
| 10:51.59 | tralala | simmerz, there is also the time it will take. But the recovery will be a breeze |
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| 10:52.17 | simmerz | so essentially just mounting a loopback device later on |
| 10:52.18 | petemc | simmerz: i use dirvish to backup full machines, works well for me |
| 10:53.15 | simmerz | tralala: of course it'll take as long as it takes to read/write 160GB over USB2.0 |
| 10:53.18 | tralala | simmerz, yes, it will be an image, but a full disk image and not just a partition, so a loopback mount would need an offset |
| 10:53.18 | Lagbolt | simmerz, if you want an image you need to do something that makes an image. if you cp or rsync you just copy to files. no need to mount loopback, just mount the drive you put them on |
| 10:53.34 | rati | I cant see my desktop icon and menu see http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2yn3t5g&s=4 . What could be the problem |
| 10:54.07 | simmerz | Lagbolt: which is what I was after really. just something I can see straight off. rsync/cp it is then. cheers |
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| 10:54.56 | b0ef | simmerz: tralala: you can use losetup: http://www.mail-archive.com/reiserfs-list@namesys.com/msg16938.html |
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| 10:55.59 | KodeK_ | re all |
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| 10:56.35 | tralala | b0ef, or a simple loop mount with an offset parameter: http://darkdust.net/writings/diskimagesminihowto |
| 10:57.21 | b0ef | tralala: ;) |
| 10:57.42 | KodeK_ | I have to migrate an email account from a customer of mine, from a remote server to my server... I am using dovecot ... and have no access to the other server execpt imap or pop3.. is it possible somehow to import the email messages? |
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| 10:58.45 | tralala | KodeK_, fetchmail? |
| 10:59.00 | petemc | use imap |
| 10:59.03 | petemc | imapsync |
| 10:59.23 | petemc | pop wont get any folders, if there are any |
| 10:59.39 | KodeK_ | and that gets all messages on the other mailbox and stuffs them into my dovecot imap? |
| 10:59.59 | petemc | it moves mail from one imap account to another |
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| 11:00.22 | KodeK_ | hmm |
| 11:00.27 | EmleyMoor | Is there a Debian way to install pear Date_Holidays? |
| 11:00.32 | KodeK_ | apt-get install imapsync ? |
| 11:00.52 | petemc | you dont need to ask that |
| 11:01.26 | KodeK_ | just was asking the package name, but thanks, ill give it a shot |
| 11:01.27 | tralala | KodeK_, /msg dpkg search |
| 11:03.30 | p1ngp0ng | is it not possible to download an entire folder with subfolders and files in commandline ftp? |
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| 11:03.51 | KodeK_ | get -r ? |
| 11:03.55 | petemc | p1ngp0ng: with the right ftp client it is |
| 11:04.14 | KodeK_ | p1ngp0ng: use ncftp, get -r is your solution |
| 11:04.21 | geek_ | p1ngp0ng: i believe wget will do that |
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| 11:04.51 | p1ngp0ng | KodeK_: you cant do it with the good old ftp command line? |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/Xvesa' returned no results. |
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| 11:08.15 | tralala | p1ngp0ng, the standard ftp's functinality is quite limited |
| 11:08.18 | wols | rati: that looks like a gnome problem, not a X one |
| 11:09.02 | tralala | lftp and ncftp are going a long way |
| 11:09.05 | rati | wols: so complete reinstall gnome? |
| 11:09.35 | wols | rati: use a different wm for testing, different apps too |
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| 11:09.49 | zeeble | apt-get install xfce4 |
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| 11:10.44 | rati | wols: so I am installing kde |
| 11:10.47 | p1ngp0ng | KodeK_: thanks :) |
| 11:10.51 | p1ngp0ng | works like a charm |
| 11:10.59 | rati | zeeble: ok you told me earlier |
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| 11:11.15 | p1ngp0ng | im downloading the entire freeBSD 7.0 folder |
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| 11:13.05 | tralala | p1ngp0ng, perhaps it would be easier/faster to find a torrent |
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| 11:13.31 | wols | rati: a bit big, but if you want... |
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| 11:17.12 | geek_ | tralala: and more reliable |
| 11:17.13 | rati | wols: I have that installed but still same problem is occuring :( |
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| 11:18.15 | p1ngp0ng | tralala: not when you got 100Mbit full duplex |
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| 11:18.18 | p1ngp0ng | ;) |
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| 11:20.33 | gyaresu | I've tried 'apt-get remove --purge apache2' and then reinstall and I've tried 'dpkg-reconfigure apache2' but I can't seem to get it to put back the default apache2.conf file in /etc/apache2/ |
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| 11:22.23 | gyaresu | Wow. #debian is silent? |
| 11:22.33 | gyaresu | zomg! |
| 11:22.37 | SpeedyG | it is quite often |
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| 11:22.42 | jester45 | i have three monitors that have 3 diffrent oses (debian windows gentoo) is there a way that i can drag windows across the 3 ? |
| 11:23.01 | Lagbolt | gyaresu, you could always purge it, then move /etc/apache2 somewhere else before reinstalling and see if that helps |
| 11:23.05 | Lagbolt | yo can always move it back later |
| 11:23.11 | jester45 | im using synergy to share the mouse but windows are still stuck to one monitor |
| 11:23.13 | gyaresu | Lagbolt: cool. good idea. |
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| 11:23.27 | SpeedyG | jester45: isnt that why its windows? :P |
| 11:23.58 | geek_ | ;p |
| 11:24.02 | tralala | jester45, your monitors can run oses? Woow! |
| 11:24.22 | geek_ | you can't drag windows across OSes |
| 11:24.23 | jester45 | arrgg |
| 11:24.39 | jester45 | 3 computers attached to 3 monitors |
| 11:24.49 | geek_ | you CAN run X on all three so you can open an app on say the debian box on the windows one though |
| 11:25.01 | gyaresu | jester45: There is an app for lans that does that. Just can't remember... |
| 11:25.06 | geek_ | (debian or gentoo on windows, but not vice versa actually) |
| 11:26.00 | jester45 | gyaresu, any hints ? googleing just shows up virtual machines doing it |
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| 11:26.50 | gyaresu | Lagbolt: Would you believe it doesn't recreate /etc/apache2 |
| 11:27.06 | gyaresu | jester45: Just having a look myself (while trying to repair apache) |
| 11:27.07 | Lagbolt | gyaresu, you knw what that means . . .config is now somewhere else probably |
| 11:27.12 | Lagbolt | dpkg -L package-name |
| 11:27.13 | dpkg | No packages found matching package-name |
| 11:27.17 | geek_ | jester45: as i said, xming / ssh -CX might be a start... |
| 11:27.20 | Lagbolt | that will show list of files in package |
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| 11:27.33 | Sero | which package do i need to get the c++ function |
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| 11:28.14 | Lagbolt | Sero, g++ is the gnu c++ compiler |
| 11:28.20 | gyaresu | Lagbolt: So that's files owned by package. It only shows files in /usr/ |
| 11:28.47 | gyaresu | ridiculous. That's an apt thing though. Not something I can ask the apache channel eh? |
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| 11:29.08 | Lagbolt | what package is it specifically? |
| 11:29.17 | Lagbolt | etch? lenny? |
| 11:29.23 | h3king | sid |
| 11:29.36 | Lagbolt | heh |
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| 11:30.12 | gyaresu | Letch. |
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| 11:30.15 | gyaresu | ;P |
| 11:30.22 | jester45 | xmove + xming might work |
| 11:30.30 | gyaresu | 'testing' whatever that is now. |
| 11:30.45 | gyaresu | Isnt' it meant to be $ lsb-version or something? |
| 11:31.14 | wols | gyaresu: purge ALL apache packages. apache2 is simply a metapackage |
| 11:31.28 | gyaresu | apache2 anyway on lenny |
| 11:31.40 | wols | !tell gyaresu about confmiss |
| 11:31.45 | gyaresu | wols: really? mmmk. |
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| 11:31.47 | Lagbolt | yeah apache2- something- common |
| 11:31.53 | wols | Lagbolt: yes |
| 11:31.55 | Lagbolt | gyaresu, dpkg -l | grep apache |
| 11:32.07 | wols | apache2.2-common usually |
| 11:32.20 | Lagbolt | thats the one :) |
| 11:32.24 | gyaresu | UR ORSM |
| 11:32.45 | gyaresu | Thanks wols |
| 11:33.21 | Lagbolt | what is ur orsm |
| 11:33.37 | Lagbolt | is that your awesome lol |
| 11:33.46 | Lagbolt | you're that is |
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| 11:34.44 | sladi | Anyone know how to capture firewire now? |
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| 11:38.52 | sladi | cu |
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| 11:39.15 | p1ngp0ng | oh god, i love ncftp |
| 11:39.18 | p1ngp0ng | its so sexy |
| 11:39.24 | p1ngp0ng | if i could, i would make sex to it |
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| 11:39.47 | petemc | try to think about what you're saying |
| 11:40.05 | p1ngp0ng | huh? |
| 11:40.14 | p1ngp0ng | what are you saying?= |
| 11:40.25 | gyaresu | wols: Lagbolt worked perfectly. Now I can sleep. :) |
| 11:40.27 | gyaresu | bye |
| 11:40.27 | petemc | im saying that what you're saying is inappropriate |
| 11:40.59 | p1ngp0ng | in what way? |
| 11:41.08 | petemc | forget it |
| 11:41.12 | p1ngp0ng | heh ok |
| 11:41.26 | p1ngp0ng | i was simply expressing my love for ncfp |
| 11:41.32 | petemc | thats not forgetting it |
| 11:41.33 | Lagbolt | awesome |
| 11:41.33 | geek_ | hmm |
| 11:41.56 | Lagbolt | p1ngp0ng, make sex to it? hmm |
| 11:41.59 | p1ngp0ng | i know, im jsut baiting |
| 11:42.04 | Lagbolt | that is interesting lol |
| 11:42.28 | p1ngp0ng | indeed, it would be very interesting |
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| 11:42.43 | et | http://tinyurl.com/ncftp-considered-stupid |
| 11:42.45 | Lagbolt | p1ngp0ng, i think you want to say "have sex with it" but that is off topic. hope the people in charge are sleeping |
| 11:43.01 | p1ngp0ng | yes Lagbolt, but im to tierd to correct my self |
| 11:43.11 | p1ngp0ng | i've been awake all night (again) |
| 11:43.22 | Lagbolt | i feel your pain |
| 11:43.52 | geek_ | hmm |
| 11:44.16 | geek_ | if i get a wmaster0 entry when i do ifconfig, does that mean that the adaptor in question is master mode compatable? |
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| 11:52.52 | Hick0rd | wols, I want Install and confirm VPN server ( PPTP and L2tp ) |
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| 11:53.07 | Hick0rd | wols, For poptop VPN server needed 2 NIC. right |
| 11:53.20 | vaq | don't use poptop |
| 11:53.24 | vaq | way to unsecure |
| 11:53.40 | wols | wonders what the 2nd nic does. twiddling the thumbs? |
| 11:53.45 | wols | do you mean as a router perhaps? |
| 11:53.54 | wols | a vpn gateway basically? |
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| 12:01.18 | boludo | hi |
| 12:01.27 | boludo | if i just download a theme for windows manager |
| 12:01.40 | boludo | if i want it to work i just nee to put it on the /etc directory? |
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| 12:02.45 | wols | boludo: not in /etc |
| 12:02.57 | tralala | boludo, no, you need to read the docs of your windows manager and see where to put the theme |
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| 12:03.55 | tralala | most likely somewhere in /usr for a system-wide theme or in your home/.something for you only |
| 12:04.21 | boludo | yeah |
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| 12:04.55 | saimonn | boludo: look at /usr/share/doc/<your-windows-manager> |
| 12:04.59 | thresh | hai, is there any packages for sid with beta nvidia drivers? |
| 12:05.11 | thresh | err, is there any place to get those |
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| 12:06.24 | boludo | in doc |
| 12:06.30 | boludo | there are hundreds of |
| 12:06.37 | boludo | files |
| 12:06.59 | boludo | how do i know which one is my windows manager.. i know that is something like xfwm |
| 12:07.02 | tralala | boludo, these are directories. See the one named after your windows manager |
| 12:07.05 | abrotman | thresh: packages.debian.org .. if they're not in sid .. maybe experiemental .. but i don't think there are any in there currently |
| 12:07.07 | boludo | cause im using xfce |
| 12:07.16 | Octalot | thresh - nah, they're all only /alpha/ quality to start with :( |
| 12:07.40 | tralala | boludo, read /usr/share/doc/xfce then |
| 12:07.45 | thresh | Octalot: i know. |
| 12:07.51 | thresh | that's why i need them, actually :) |
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| 12:08.45 | tralala | thresh, just take the latest release and put a few random bytes at random positions in the driver. You'll achieve the same results ;) |
| 12:08.59 | thresh | tralala: it doesnt support CUDA. |
| 12:09.07 | thresh | putting random bytes wont support it either :) |
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| 12:09.54 | boludo | i think i found the file.. xfwm4.themes |
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| 12:10.18 | boludo | cause.. x - f - Windows - M anager |
| 12:11.47 | visik7 | do you guys can access this url http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/linux-image-2.6.24-1-686/download |
| 12:12.11 | tralala | thresh, you never know until you try ;) |
| 12:12.12 | wols | alenny has no .24 kernel anymore I think |
| 12:12.13 | p1ngp0ng | is there a program that i can use to create a bootable iso to use on a usb stick from a cd iso? |
| 12:12.18 | thresh | tralala: hehe :) |
| 12:13.29 | geek_ | p1ngp0ng: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB ? :) |
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| 12:15.19 | p1ngp0ng | nope, im reading that one now |
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| 12:15.38 | p1ngp0ng | im thinking more of a program that convert just about any cd iso to a bootalbe usb iso |
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| 12:15.47 | p1ngp0ng | bootalbe* |
| 12:15.49 | p1ngp0ng | blarh |
| 12:15.57 | abrotman | !info bootcd etch |
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| 12:16.32 | dpkg | bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.00 (etch), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
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| 12:17.33 | nezza-_- | got no hobbies anymore |
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| 12:18.33 | Sero | how can I list the codecs that are available to mplayer? |
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| 12:18.45 | Sero | sory |
| 12:18.49 | Sero | wrong channel |
| 12:19.07 | webman | I can't do an apt-get update etc because the server seems to use ipv6 and something doesn't support it: Cannot initiate the connection to ftp.au.debian.org:80 (2001:388:1034:2900::25). - connect (101 Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:388:1034:2900::25 80] any suggestions ?? |
| 12:20.16 | abrotman | don't use ipv6? |
| 12:20.18 | visik7 | webman: disable ipv6 |
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| 12:20.36 | webman | how do I disable ipv6 ?? |
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| 12:22.30 | p1ngp0ng | http://www.debianadmin.com/activate-nat-on-debian-etch-and-disable-ipv6-support-on-debian.html |
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| 12:27.17 | cast | stares blankly in annoyance at the .mov.rar |
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| 12:28.11 | zaggynl | snickers |
| 12:28.15 | geek_ | lol |
| 12:28.26 | HolyTux | suggests rm |
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| 12:28.51 | webman | is there any better solution to try and get ipv6 working properly ? |
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| 12:29.54 | abrotman | IIRC you can tunnel it through a normal network ? |
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| 12:30.26 | visik7 | webman: you need a tunnel broker like huricane electric |
| 12:30.34 | visik7 | or maybe also your ISP |
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| 12:32.07 | nirupama | How to extract a CPIO archive |
| 12:32.14 | nirupama | and edit and again compile that |
| 12:32.29 | cast | cpio -i < file.cpio |
| 12:32.38 | cast | as for the second part of your question |
| 12:32.40 | cast | man cpio |
| 12:32.42 | cast | or man pax |
| 12:33.19 | EugenMayer | hello. I changed my hardware ( motherboard and so on ). Now i can boot my kernel and it seems all working, except the network card. I get a error message while booting that he cant locate eth0. I can load via_rhine manually, but then i have eth2. Can i rename that ? |
| 12:33.47 | abrotman | !tell EugenMayer about z25 |
| 12:33.48 | wols | !z45 |
| 12:33.54 | wols | or that |
| 12:34.18 | infernix | i can create an alias for ls -altr by using alias lsl="ls -altr". is there a way to create a file that works like an alias? e.g. instead of creating a bash script called 'lsl' which has 'ls -altr $*' in it? |
| 12:34.32 | infernix | sort of like a symlink, but with options passed to the file i'm symlinking to? |
| 12:34.54 | criten__ | a shell script? |
| 12:35.30 | infernix | thats what I'm trying to avoid |
| 12:35.59 | unop | a function |
| 12:36.00 | criten__ | EugenMayer, you need to update /etc/udev/rules.d/*-persistent-net.rules |
| 12:36.02 | infernix | but ok, I probably saw this in some (day)dream so its probably not possible |
| 12:36.03 | EugenMayer | thanky you abrotman |
| 12:36.03 | webman | infernix: I don't understand the question, you can use an alias, or an exten.... what are you trying to do, and why do those two options not solve it ? |
| 12:36.09 | rati | How can i completely remove xorg? but packet remains in cache? |
| 12:36.15 | rati | wols: That doesnt help |
| 12:36.19 | unop | infernix, you could use a function |
| 12:36.32 | webman | rati: apt-get --purge remove xorg |
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| 12:37.02 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 12:37.02 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 12:37.03 | infernix | unop: as in, the executed file checks what its $0 is and does various different things based on different results for $0? |
| 12:37.32 | unop | infernix, well, not $0 but $1, $2, $3 and so on |
| 12:37.48 | infernix | yeah i know that route. |
| 12:37.50 | nirupama | cast, but I dont find any folder |
| 12:38.04 | nirupama | cast, I did cpio -d < file |
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| 12:38.21 | infernix | k, i was probably just dreaming. i'll just write a shell script and stop trying to be intelligent :D |
| 12:38.23 | nirupama | cast, I am not having any extension for that file but the properties shows its a cpio file |
| 12:38.30 | unop | infernix, function foo () { echo "$@"; }; foo arg1 arg2 arg3 etc |
| 12:38.34 | cast | cpio: You must specify one of -oipt options. |
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| 12:38.40 | rati | webman: does it remove fonts and its configuration files its using? |
| 12:38.41 | cast | nirupama: man file |
| 12:38.47 | zeeble | i is to extract. |
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| 12:39.28 | webman | rati: it will just remove the packages you ask, and all the config files, etc, related to the package |
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| 12:40.00 | webman | rati: it doesn't affect files in the user home directories etc though... but as someone said a second ago, you should use aptitude instead |
| 12:40.13 | EugenMayer | abrotman: : thank you, was straight forward |
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| 12:40.19 | rati | zeeble: cfce4 didnt help. :( |
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| 12:41.09 | rati | webman: ok. but problem is that some file is there which causing problem while displaying fonts of xserver. |
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| 12:46.17 | EugenMayer | abrotman: : i would like to upgrade my kernel to > 24 ( so i guess lenny) because of the freeze problems with truecrypt + etchnhalf kernel. what would be the easiest way? |
| 12:47.21 | cast | (fuck truecrypt.) |
| 12:47.58 | fgeek | why? |
| 12:48.39 | EugenMayer | cast: why? Any alternatives?. Free, stable, mannered? |
| 12:48.56 | Lagbolt | EugenMayer, aes is nice :) |
| 12:49.37 | EugenMayer | Lagbolt: : aes is an encrpytion type, truecrypt is much more :) |
| 12:49.53 | Lagbolt | EugenMayer, cryptsetup with luks is great |
| 12:50.34 | Lagbolt | EugenMayer, easy to setup. can have multiple passwords, add and remove passwords. quite nice |
| 12:50.46 | EugenMayer | Lagbolt: : never tried it. But i have never heard of any advantages of luks yet, compared to tc |
| 12:51.11 | cast | EugenMayer: dmcrypt, [so luks, like Lagbolt said] |
| 12:51.12 | Lagbolt | EugenMayer, http://luks.endorphin.org/ |
| 12:51.18 | EugenMayer | Lagbolt : especially the performance is better with tc6 as far as i know |
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| 12:52.02 | visik7 | packages.debian.org is really slow today |
| 12:52.13 | fgeek | yep. is there a reason for that? |
| 12:52.15 | cast | dmcrypt is in linux, so any box using 2.6 will be able to open the volumes |
| 12:52.17 | abrotman | EugenMayer: etch has a .24 .. lenny has a .25 |
| 12:52.20 | Lagbolt | well i use luks with aes and i have no performance issues |
| 12:52.28 | cast | also windows can open the volumes using freeotfe |
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| 12:54.27 | cast | i just have higher confidence in code in the kernel than in truecrypt, which isn't all that respected |
| 12:57.14 | EugenMayer | abrotman: : yeah, thats what the guy on froscon told me. He said, i can easily upgrade to lennys kernel ( stay with etch with the rest ) but i need to take care of a meta-package, which i should not install |
| 12:57.55 | EugenMayer | Lagbolt : performance is important on older server hw, not on newer one :) |
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| 12:58.14 | cast | wouldn't truecrypt use the kernel's aes module? |
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| 12:59.12 | EugenMayer | cast: : all the questions are not about tc, i will stay with it in any case :) Its just that the 24er kernel seems to have a bug that it freezes when you use tc with it. It must be something with the newer kernel api or similar. |
| 12:59.17 | cast | question comes down to is truecrypts aes-xts faster than linuxes aes-xts |
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| 13:00.35 | EugenMayer | tc6 is really damn fast |
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| 13:01.11 | tralala | EugenMayer, use the lenny sources to compile yourself a .25 |
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| 13:01.28 | cast | EugenMayer: benchmark! post! |
| 13:01.32 | Lagbolt | EugenMayer, use etchandahalf to get 24 kern |
| 13:01.44 | Lagbolt | oh wait 24 hangs |
| 13:01.46 | Lagbolt | never mind |
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| 13:02.29 | Csery | hellow |
| 13:02.29 | abrotman | EugenMayer: uhm .. if you want a .25 but want to stay with etch, try backports.org |
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| 13:04.01 | EugenMayer | abrotman: , tralala: thank you. I check the backports. Anyway. iam on an EPIA-m ( older one ) with an C3 CPU. i have read a thread, that i should use the 586 kernel. yet, in the reporsitory, i only see 486 and 686. Can that hit my performance ( disk read, I/O mostrly |
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| 13:04.37 | jpinx | When I change the 2nd disk in my laptop, the system doesn't recognise the newly attached hdd. If I reboot they work. How can I force the hdd's to be recognised? file-s tells me they are data. They are ntfs. |
| 13:05.00 | EugenMayer | jpieper : sata ? |
| 13:05.10 | abrotman | EugenMayer: 486 is for you then |
| 13:05.32 | EugenMayer | abrotman: : nothing changes using 586 then? |
| 13:06.01 | abrotman | sure it does .. but if you don't want to compile your own, you're using a -486 |
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| 13:06.24 | aleksanteri | i'm reporting about a patch to a severe bug in the finnish translation of kvirc's 3.4.0 version (that'd go into lenny), but the file itself is in kvirc-data. should i write the bug report into kvirc or kvirc-data? |
| 13:07.13 | wols | EugenMayer: I/O shouldn't be affected at all |
| 13:07.21 | EugenMayer | cast: : reading general opinions, luks is better in performance. But when using dual-cores / multicores, you are better of with tc |
| 13:07.29 | tralala | aleksanteri, the source package |
| 13:07.36 | wols | there, the speed is dependant on the busmaster dma of your controller and the speed of your disk |
| 13:07.43 | EugenMayer | wols: : thank you. Also encryption ( io is on y truecrypt drive )..i think about mmx or similar |
| 13:08.00 | aleksanteri | tralala, with source you mean the package that requires the other packages? (kvirc as kvirc requires kvirc-data) |
| 13:08.12 | wols | EugenMayer: encrpytion will benefit so there a new kernel makes sense. crypto is cpu dependent |
| 13:08.29 | wols | aleksanteri: no he means the source that builds kvirc and kvirc-data |
| 13:08.53 | aleksanteri | wols, hmm. and how shall i do that? |
| 13:08.54 | cast | you do see performance degradation, sec, will test |
| 13:08.58 | aleksanteri | this is my very first debian bug report :> |
| 13:09.14 | EugenMayer | wols: : you mean even use a kernel.org kernel ( 26.2 i remember ) and create one and install with kernel-package ? |
| 13:09.30 | wols | EugenMayer: you can use debian sources too and compile for your cpu type |
| 13:10.02 | wols | but yes, kernel-package is a must no matter which sources you use |
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| 13:10.13 | EugenMayer | wols: ok fine, clear to me. But are there sources in the backports-rep ? |
| 13:10.42 | EugenMayer | wols: : generaly i would like to use debian source ( because of the patches you apply ) |
| 13:10.47 | wols | EugenMayer: not sure actually but backports compiles stuff from testing or sid for current stable |
| 13:10.55 | wols | so if backports has no soruce, testing/sid do |
| 13:11.11 | EugenMayer | but i could use lenny-sources or ? |
| 13:11.11 | wols | EugenMayer: I'd use the etchnhalf kernel source |
| 13:11.19 | wols | yes you could |
| 13:11.27 | EugenMayer | etchnhalf is 24 -> freezes with truecrypt |
| 13:11.30 | wols | unless you need a newer kernel than 2.6.24? |
| 13:11.36 | wols | :( |
| 13:11.39 | EugenMayer | yeah i need, thats my problem |
| 13:11.42 | wols | what can truecrypt use? |
| 13:11.56 | wols | then use sid or lenny sources. lenny has .25, sid has .26 |
| 13:12.01 | tralala | EugenMayer, just get linux-source-2.6.25 from lenny and compile it |
| 13:12.04 | EugenMayer | no idea what the reasons are in details, but i have read, that upgrading > 24 helps |
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| 13:12.48 | EugenMayer | thank you wols, abrotman and tralala |
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| 13:14.13 | cast | 72mb/s straight from the device, ~66 from the encrypted device |
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| 13:15.33 | EugenMayer | cast: hmm, cant give you tests with mine here yet. my server has single core and desktop is on windows yet, what will change with virtualbox! Actaully, somebody tried openVZ and windows? |
| 13:16.16 | tralala | aleksanteri, use packages.qa.debian.org to determine the source package |
| 13:16.43 | aleksanteri | okay. |
| 13:17.01 | tralala | or apt-cache show kvirc-data | grep Source |
| 13:17.37 | aleksanteri | "Source: kvirc" dun. |
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| 13:18.08 | aleksanteri | then; is it possible to attach files to a bugreport? i'd like to attach the fix |
| 13:18.44 | pothibo | Hey, I have just installed 2 new hardware on my server: 1 wifi card and 1 network card, how do I "mount" them ? |
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| 13:19.35 | tralala | aleksanteri, yes, it is. Also add a "patch" tag to the bugreport. You can do that by using reportbug in expert mode. |
| 13:19.46 | abrotman | pothibo: you configure the interfaces on them |
| 13:19.52 | abrotman | pothibo: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 13:19.53 | aleksanteri | and how i do that? :) |
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| 13:20.22 | aleksanteri | oh nevermind, found it |
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| 13:20.39 | dv_ | is there a way to get obsolete versions of a package to testing? |
| 13:20.46 | dv_ | to be precise, I need gcc 3.2 |
| 13:20.52 | aleksanteri | dv_, pinning? |
| 13:20.58 | dv_ | I could build it myself, but if there's a better way... |
| 13:21.01 | dv_ | pinning? |
| 13:21.05 | dv_ | googles |
| 13:21.20 | cast | can you pass gcc options such that itll behave like 3.2 |
| 13:21.26 | dv_ | no |
| 13:21.33 | tralala | dv_, compiling is probably the easiest. |
| 13:21.44 | dv_ | its for a system that runs gcc 3.2, |
| 13:21.52 | dv_ | with all its quirks and inefficiencies |
| 13:21.58 | tralala | because old gcc versions are likely to pull other old deps |
| 13:22.06 | dv_ | tralala, I feared as muc |
| 13:22.06 | dv_ | h |
| 13:22.12 | dv_ | alright then, lets have fun building. |
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| 13:22.39 | aleksanteri | poor ye; gcc takes just about forever to compile :( |
| 13:22.41 | aleksanteri | :/ * |
| 13:23.09 | abrotman | dv_: you could try a static build |
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| 13:23.20 | tralala | dv_, I'm not sure however what will happen if the build machine has different libc than the target one |
| 13:23.37 | dv_ | well this factor cant be resolved |
| 13:23.40 | dv_ | I'll have to live with it |
| 13:23.44 | dv_ | the compiler is more urgent anyway |
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| 13:24.12 | dv_ | because I'll write stuff in c++, but 3.2 does support c++ not nearly as well as 4.3 does |
| 13:24.28 | dv_ | so if I start hacking around with boost and whatnot, I may end up with code that just does not work with 3.2 |
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| 13:25.03 | tralala | dv_, well you can use 3.2 for testing the code and do the actual builds with a newer one |
| 13:25.17 | pothibo | abrotman: okay, how can I know which piece of hardware is eth0 eth1 and eth2 ? |
| 13:25.26 | abrotman | pothibo: dmesg perhaps |
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| 13:29.08 | dv_ | or wait! |
| 13:29.12 | dv_ | I just use a VM! |
| 13:29.20 | dv_ | what was the last debian version with a gcc 3.2? |
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| 13:29.53 | dv_ | hm sarge has 3.3 |
| 13:29.55 | dv_ | that should do |
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| 13:31.33 | tralala | dv_, or a debootstrap - easier and faster than vm |
| 13:31.40 | rati | it doesnt removing dirmngr. I tried aptitude purge dirmngr, but it shows me error |
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| 13:33.48 | aleksanteri | hmm |
| 13:34.02 | aleksanteri | how do i include both tags 1 and 2? bugreport doesn't accept 12 |
| 13:34.18 | tralala | sequencially |
| 13:34.25 | aleksanteri | ah |
| 13:34.56 | aleksanteri | and should i include both .mo and .po files? |
| 13:35.19 | tralala | only the source |
| 13:35.26 | aleksanteri | ok |
| 13:35.51 | cast | night all |
| 13:35.56 | tralala | even better only the patch for the source |
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| 13:36.08 | aleksanteri | well i included the .po file. |
| 13:36.11 | aleksanteri | report sent |
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| 13:36.29 | dbmoodb | ah what's the best way to get a package from sid just a single package and bring it to a lenny install ? |
| 13:36.53 | tralala | dbmoodb, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 13:37.10 | dbmoodb | backport ? |
| 13:37.26 | tralala | or, if it doesn't pull any other sid deps: pinning |
| 13:37.46 | EugenMayer | wols: : i added the lenny sources to my sources.list but somehow there are not in the reporsitory ( event after the ap-get update) what could be the reason |
| 13:38.04 | dbmoodb | seems reasonable enough.... |
| 13:38.20 | dbmoodb | are there backports for sid tho ? |
| 13:38.37 | wols | EugenMayer: paste the new sources.list line |
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| 13:38.42 | tralala | dbmoodb, no |
| 13:38.52 | wols | sid has no backports |
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| 13:39.16 | tralala | sid itself is an upstream backport :) |
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| 13:39.44 | EMEKTAR | selam |
| 13:39.44 | aleksanteri | hmm weird. |
| 13:39.49 | MayerEugen | wols: deb-src http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 13:39.52 | EMEKTAR | hi |
| 13:40.07 | aleksanteri | bugreport says it has sent a copy of the bugreport to my email address though i recieved nothing. |
| 13:40.09 | wols | MayerEugen: and what apt line? |
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| 13:40.21 | tralala | MayerEugen, you need apt-get source <package> for this to work |
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| 13:40.36 | MayerEugen | wols: oh. |
| 13:40.48 | MayerEugen | so apt-get source linux-sources-2.6.25 ? |
| 13:41.08 | aleksanteri | maybe i should just wait that hour :D |
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| 13:41.21 | tralala | MayerEugen, actually what you want in your case is to simpy visit the archive with a browser and download the package "by hand" |
| 13:41.35 | wols | aleksanteri: check your mailspool |
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| 13:41.47 | MayerEugen | tralala: hmm, ok fine. |
| 13:41.58 | aleksanteri | what's a mailspool? |
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| 13:44.46 | poole | is there anyone interested in mutual testing of installed servers (ircd/ftpd/vpn etc) and iptables port forwarding or any part thereof :) |
| 13:44.49 | SamuraiDio | hi, i need help.... I tried to upgrade debian testing/unstable (from near on year old, with aptitude full-upgrade) and i received a lot of errors... |
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| 13:45.32 | jpinx | when I update and upgrade, do my backports pkgs get upgraded as well, or do I have to do them by hand? |
| 13:45.34 | ktwilight[m] | SamuraiDio, am sure those errors would reduce if you actually explicitly tell us about it ;) |
| 13:45.50 | ktwilight[m] | jpinx, apt-get upgrade -t etch-backports would kick it in |
| 13:45.52 | MayerEugen | tralala: actually, i cant search for lenny pn packages.debian.org? |
| 13:45.55 | SamuraiDio | ...after some dpkg --configure -a and dpkg-reconfigure, ans some uninstall i managed to reduce most errors, but due to one broken package a can't actually install or upgrade anything: http://pastebin.com/d72c472fe |
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| 13:46.13 | jpinx | ktwilight[m]: thanks |
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| 13:46.22 | SamuraiDio | ktwilight, i'm trying ^ |
| 13:46.35 | tralala | MayerEugen, of course you can |
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| 13:47.03 | tralala | aleksanteri, type "mail" |
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| 13:47.28 | aleksanteri | nothing there. |
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| 13:48.08 | aleksanteri | (er; i made the from address be my gmail address :>) |
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| 13:48.18 | soulchild | Hi all,... Why is the xorg.conf so minimal if I use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ??? |
| 13:48.18 | jpinx | anyone know how to force my system to correctly recogniise an attached hdd. file -s says data, but on reboot it comes up correctly as ntfs |
| 13:48.27 | tralala | aleksanteri, check /var/log/exim4/ |
| 13:48.43 | tralala | and see if your report was sent at all |
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| 13:49.35 | aleksanteri | well there's just a bunch of mainlogs. |
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| 13:49.55 | pothibo | abrotman: it's not what I was looking for, I just plugged the two pieces of hardware, I need to find a place where I can find the proper driver for both my network card one is SMC network card 10/100 and the other is linksys WMP54G wireless card |
| 13:50.08 | tralala | aleksanteri, well the contents of mainlog will let you know what happend to your email |
| 13:50.50 | aleksanteri | hmm, well there's just a ton of "start queue run" and "end queue run" messages |
| 13:50.54 | aleksanteri | nothing else. |
| 13:51.03 | aleksanteri | and startup messages as well. |
| 13:51.18 | aleksanteri | wait a minute it's in the end.. |
| 13:51.44 | aleksanteri | hmm. "2008-08-27 16:35:50 1KYLBe-0002ia-7W ** aleksanteri@users.sf.net R=nonlocal: Mailing to remote domains not supported" |
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| 13:52.33 | waKKu | hi folks... |
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| 13:52.36 | kalila | can you use wildcards in the hosts file? aka. ^127.0.0.1 *.slashdot.org |
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| 13:53.13 | d0lphin_n0el | lol unbealiver microsoft is using apache in msn.com http://entretenimento.pt.msn.com/ lollll can you bealiver guys ?! there is the prove lolll |
| 13:53.24 | tralala | aleksanteri, time to reconfigure exim |
| 13:53.25 | waKKu | what program can I use to make graphics with "atsar" output ?? I'd tried to use ksar, but it only works with sar and dont work with atsar ... |
| 13:53.42 | waKKu | maybe some way to convert atsar files to sar files |
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| 13:54.44 | abrotman | d0lphin_n0el: wrong channel |
| 13:54.47 | scorphus | hello, I used make-vmpkg to install the latest VMWare Player but I can't build the kernel module with the module-assistant for the stock kernel 2.6.26 (2.6.26-1-686). I'm building the module with "m-a a-i vmware". Any tips on this? |
| 13:55.01 | abrotman | pothibo: the SMC should just work AFAIK .. the wmp54g may need a driver .. do you know which chipset it is? |
| 13:55.05 | abrotman | !wmp54g |
| 13:55.33 | d0lphin_n0el | abrotman i know i know sorry just reporting some event ... because thsi probably in a few hours this default apache website webpage will disapear lol |
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| 13:56.22 | Plouj | hi |
| 13:56.46 | Plouj | do I just gunzip hd-media/boot.img.gz and dd it to a USB stick to make a bootable USB debian net installer? |
| 13:56.54 | Plouj | (from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/MANIFEST) |
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| 13:57.32 | KodeK_ | any good pop backup scripts out there? |
| 13:57.44 | KodeK_ | i need to backup a pop3 account to my server |
| 13:58.16 | dantix | hi all, I need to mount an usb hd. I saw the kernel messages showing the connection and it is listed at /proc/scsi/usb-storage-1/1. What device can I use to mount it? |
| 13:58.28 | KodeK_ | and a question, if somebody uses pop3, is the message also deleted from the imap, and vice versa? |
| 13:58.48 | KodeK_ | ie, in this case, the inbox in imap is empty. but is it possible that the pop3 storage contains messages? |
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| 14:00.23 | Nomad__ | Yesterday I did a dist-upgrade on one of my machines. Today it can't mount my nfs server correctly. |
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| 14:01.09 | tralala | KodeK_, the mailbox is the same regardless if you use imap or pop3. If the one is empty so is the other. |
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| 14:01.27 | GTswagger | Where should I pose invitations for Debian devs to be speakers at a Linux convention? |
| 14:01.57 | jpinx | Where is the boot sequence logged by default? |
| 14:02.08 | tralala | GTswagger, debian-devel-anonunce maybe |
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| 14:02.25 | tralala | anounce |
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| 14:02.57 | tralala | jpinx, in /var/log |
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| 14:03.34 | GTswagger | Or -- more convienently ... is here a Debian dev in the host willing to post such an invite on the Debian dev mailing list or similar? |
| 14:03.36 | GTswagger | :) |
| 14:03.42 | GTswagger | *in the HOUSE |
| 14:03.49 | GTswagger | isn't well caffinated yet |
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| 14:04.32 | geek_ | ... |
| 14:05.47 | SamuraiDio | can someone help with this dpkg errors: http://pastebin.com/d72c472fe ? |
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| 14:08.08 | SolarWar | does /etc/init.d/checkfs run every time a debian system boots? |
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| 14:08.22 | jpinx | tralala: seems to be empty - hence the question |
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| 14:09.05 | tralala | jpinx, dmesg should give you the boot log on a recently booted system |
| 14:09.09 | pothibo | wehre is the file modules.conf located ? |
| 14:09.19 | aleksanteri | tralala, it seems so; can the bug report be also sent with evolution? |
| 14:09.39 | SolarWar | pothibo: try /etc/ ? |
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| 14:10.36 | tralala | jpinx, also bootlogd should keep a log if running |
| 14:10.46 | pothibo | SolarWar: I have |
| 14:11.14 | rati | any one help me with removing dirmngr? I tried removing it aptitude purge dirmngr but it show me error. |
| 14:11.24 | tralala | aleksanteri, I don't think so. |
| 14:11.29 | aleksanteri | darn. |
| 14:11.44 | SolarWar | pothibo: run updatedb/locate ? |
| 14:11.59 | tralala | aleksanteri, just reconfigure exim and tell it to reprocess the queue |
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| 14:12.10 | aleksanteri | (and how do i do that?) |
| 14:12.27 | tralala | aleksanteri, /msg dpkg exim4 reconfigure |
| 14:12.33 | tralala | man mailq |
| 14:12.41 | aleksanteri | oh. |
| 14:12.44 | yuan_ | I want to del the half lines of a file. So I type: sed "1, $(wc -l<test)/2d" test. But it dosen't work, any suggestions? Thank you. |
| 14:13.07 | rati | here is error I get http://pastebin.ca/1186356 |
| 14:13.31 | tralala | yuan_, you mean every second line? |
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| 14:13.53 | F0rsaken | hi |
| 14:14.02 | Nomad__ | anyone having problems with NFS after upgrading recently? My nfs mounts but if I try to even touch an non-existant file in a user home directory I'm getting permission denied |
| 14:14.06 | yuan_ | tralala: the first half lines. |
| 14:14.09 | pete_ | rati: apt-get remove package ; dpkg --purge package |
| 14:14.26 | F0rsaken | Have problems with installing debian on ich10 |
| 14:14.37 | F0rsaken | can smb help? )) |
| 14:14.51 | tralala | F0rsaken, /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 14:14.58 | jelly | F0rsaken: why would samba help with that? |
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| 14:15.09 | yuan_ | tralala: The numbers of the lines are even, and the first half I don't need. |
| 14:15.45 | jelly | F0rsaken: instead of an installer image by kmuto, you can also use an etchnhalf installer, too |
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| 14:16.15 | saimonn | yuan_: maybe with something like f=<file> ; head -n $(( `wc -l $f` / 2 )) |
| 14:16.17 | rati | pete_: ok let me do that |
| 14:16.36 | saimonn | yuan_: or tail instead of head if you want to keep the end of file |
| 14:16.36 | tralala | yuan_, lines=$(wc -l file); sed -ni "${lines},${p;}" file |
| 14:16.47 | rwaite | you know as much as i like to complain about gnome being bloated... it's really small compared to vista |
| 14:17.18 | Nomad__ | anyone having problems with NFS after upgrading recently? My nfs mounts but if I try to even touch an non-existant file in a user home directory I'm getting permission denied even logged in as the user who owns the directory |
| 14:17.21 | tralala | yuan_, well, that was wrong, but you'll get the idea |
| 14:17.33 | rati | pete_: still same error is occuring |
| 14:17.34 | scintilla | bye |
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| 14:17.49 | yuan_ | saimonn: thanks, I will have a try |
| 14:17.54 | tralala | !+tell Nomad__ -about repeat |
| 14:17.54 | dpkg | told Nomad__ about repeat. |
| 14:19.38 | jelly | does mrxvt have utf8 support these days? |
| 14:20.08 | jelly | or, is there another comparatively light terminal emulator with tabs and utf8? |
| 14:20.31 | Nomad__ | tralala: sometimes when it's bsy in here, you have to ask twice or it gets lost in the flood |
| 14:20.43 | abrotman | but not twice within a minute |
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| 14:21.04 | saimonn | jelly: yes |
| 14:21.17 | tralala | Nomad__, if I noticed it, it means it didn't get lost |
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| 14:22.12 | yuan_ | tralala: the files are awk output, which I want is only the lines in the END{}section. How every there are duplicate print in the if{}section. |
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| 14:22.15 | rati | Is there any thing so I forcefully remove package? If I still get eror |
| 14:22.22 | abrotman | what's the error ? |
| 14:22.28 | yuan_ | tralala: the code is here http://rafb.net/p/z3u8c934.html |
| 14:22.30 | jelly | saimonn: which version, the one in stable or something newer? |
| 14:22.32 | tralala | also people who are likely to help read their backlogs |
| 14:22.34 | rati | here is error I get http://pastebin.ca/1186356 |
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| 14:23.39 | abrotman | rati: you can comment out the stop action in the prerm script |
| 14:24.02 | yuan_ | saimonn: the thanks for the "head -n $(( `wc -l<test`/2 )) test" :-P I works! |
| 14:24.48 | tralala | yuan_, you create files using awk and then you want to cut them in half? |
| 14:24.58 | saimonn | yuan_: you're welcome |
| 14:25.14 | rati | abrotman: /etc/init.d/dirmngr? |
| 14:25.16 | saimonn | jelly: I may have talked too fast, not sure of utf8 support in mrxvt |
| 14:25.41 | saimonn | jelly: urxvt does support utf-8, but may be not tabs |
| 14:25.51 | abrotman | rati: /var/lib/dpkg/info/dirmngr.prerm |
| 14:25.57 | jelly | saimonn: I know about urxvt; thanks |
| 14:25.58 | tralala | jelly, light, and utf-8, and tabs makes it a difficult constraint |
| 14:26.12 | jelly | tralala: that's why I'm asking. |
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| 14:26.40 | jelly | tralala: difficult it may be, but unreasonable IMHO not |
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| 14:27.33 | tralala | given the presence of screen the tabs part is hardly reasonable |
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| 14:28.23 | tralala | but I suppose you have your own reasons for it |
| 14:28.29 | pothibo | is there a way to probe for all your network device and install the driver if it's available? like during a Debian install ? |
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| 14:29.02 | faileas | it should be automatic during install |
| 14:29.04 | rati | abrotman: still same error |
| 14:29.26 | abrotman | rati: then you did it wrong ? |
| 14:29.28 | tralala | pothibo, udev does that by default iinm |
| 14:29.39 | saimonn | jelly: on http://linux.die.net/man/7/urxvt they say you could have tabs in urxvt. may be the solution ? |
| 14:29.39 | jelly | tralala: some people like it clickable |
| 14:29.39 | rati | ab] |
| 14:29.50 | rati | abrotman: let me paste that file. brb |
| 14:29.52 | pothibo | udev? |
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| 14:30.38 | KodeK_ | does anybody know of an utility to backup or transfer a pop3 mailbox from one pop to another ? i need to migrate an email acount from a server to another... i found imapsync for imap, but it appears that emails are stored on a pop |
| 14:30.38 | tralala | jelly, this hardly qualifies as reasonable in general |
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| 14:31.07 | jelly | saimonn: nice, urxvt -pe tabbed seems to work |
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| 14:31.14 | happosade | hellp |
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| 14:31.26 | tralala | KodeK_, fetchmail as I said before |
| 14:31.28 | happosade | hello, where do apt-get install files (tcl) |
| 14:31.35 | jelly | tralala: only if you're a CLI hardline person |
| 14:31.54 | unop | happosade, dpkg -L tcl |
| 14:32.00 | yuan_ | tralala: http://rafb.net/p/U9ilOk20.html The question are in the link, thanks! |
| 14:32.04 | KodeK_ | ah fetchmail... why was i always thinking thats a mta ? |
| 14:32.25 | Jetnexus_jon | hi there, need some help. Using debian etch and httperf to test an ssl site using a self-signed cert. It keeps erroring on the cert how do I add this to debian's store? |
| 14:32.51 | SamuraiDio | i'm havin problems to install/uninstall a package with dpkg/aptitude, how can i reolve this: http://pastebin.com/d72c472fe |
| 14:33.02 | tralala | jelly, why would you use a light, multitab terminal if you're not? |
| 14:34.12 | KodeK_ | tralala: you got a specific example for this handy, perhaps? |
| 14:34.16 | jelly | tralala: I'm not going to continue this irrelevant conversation. Feel free to highlight me if you have an solution. |
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| 14:35.38 | ricosecada | Anyonce else having problems with security.debian.org? |
| 14:35.41 | tralala | KodeK_, /usr/share/doc/fetchmail/examples/fetchmailrc.example |
| 14:35.49 | f0rsaken198 | no |
| 14:36.22 | newsense | mo |
| 14:36.31 | newsense | s/mo/no |
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| 14:37.54 | Nomad__ | anyone having problems with NFS after upgrading recently? My nfs mounts but if I try to even touch an non-existant file in a user home directory I'm getting permission denied even logged in as the user who owns the directory. I have an ubuntu client that can still access/touch the directories off the server fine so it's not the server, has to be the debian client |
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| 14:40.44 | berzerka | felix-da-catz: housecatz? |
| 14:41.47 | berzerka | never mind :) |
| 14:41.52 | pngwn | berzerka, it doesn't talk...it just changes nicks ;) |
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| 14:42.16 | berzerka | :) |
| 14:42.25 | f0rsaken198 | :)) |
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| 14:44.00 | pothibo | lshw shows that my network card is DISABLED how do I enable it ? |
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| 14:44.19 | f0rsaken198 | ifconfig eht0 up |
| 14:44.38 | f0rsaken198 | instead of eth0 - your card |
| 14:46.19 | Jetnexus_jon | does anyone know where / how debian checks ssl certs? |
| 14:47.06 | MayerEugen | are there good howtos to build a upstream kernel in debian? i mean, kernel sources are there and configrures, but how to build the package itself |
| 14:47.10 | petemc | Jetnexus_jon: in what context? |
| 14:47.17 | pothibo | f0rsaken198: okay once I did that, does that mean it will be activated at boot time? if not, what do I need to modify to make it enabled at bootime ? |
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| 14:47.34 | Jetnexus_jon | I am testing using httperf and self-signed. I need to have it "ok" the cert |
| 14:47.41 | Jetnexus_jon | at the moment it just errors |
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| 14:48.16 | rati | abrotman: see that perem of dirmngr http://pastebin.ca/1186394 |
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| 14:49.06 | abrotman | comment out 11 and 12 |
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| 14:49.11 | abrotman | oh hell and 14 |
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| 14:50.25 | wols | !kernel-package |
| 14:50.25 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en |
| 14:50.35 | MayerEugen | guys can i build a upstream kernel.org kernel for a debian etch system ob ubuntu system? i just dont wont to build it on the host system because of its low performance |
| 14:50.36 | wols | MayerEugen: see this |
| 14:50.51 | wols | MayerEugen: afaik yes |
| 14:51.10 | MayerEugen | wols: but then i need to do it the "ubuntu way with" : |
| 14:51.14 | wols | initrd can be a problem but it should work |
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| 14:51.31 | wols | MayerEugen: the ubuntu way isn't really different and they have kernel-package too |
| 14:51.44 | rati | abrotman: /var/lib/dpkg/info/dirmngr.prerm: line 15: syntax error near unexpected token `fi' |
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| 14:51.53 | MayerEugen | wols: last step would be : CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=N fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image kernel_headers |
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| 14:52.04 | MayerEugen | instead of the fakeroo / make-dpkg or ? |
| 14:52.08 | wols | MayerEugen: that's the same |
| 14:52.21 | MayerEugen | wols: oh my goodnes.. |
| 14:52.29 | JordiGH | I always forget how to do this. If I want read-write access to another user's homedir, and we are using private groups (e.g. user foo is a member of group foo), how can this be done? |
| 14:52.33 | wols | concurrency is not really important |
| 14:52.38 | MayerEugen | wols: iam stupid and blind at the same time. Sorry for wasting your time.. |
| 14:52.46 | wols | JordiGH: add the 2nd user to the group of the first? |
| 14:52.49 | MayerEugen | wols: thank you |
| 14:53.09 | rati | abrotman: ok done. I have removed all if condition and its removed |
| 14:53.32 | JordiGH | wols: Done that, user foo's homedir chmod is 750; I still can't see its contents even though I'm in group foo. |
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| 14:53.49 | wols | JordiGH: you checked with id? |
| 14:53.58 | JordiGH | wols: What do you mean? |
| 14:54.03 | wols | JordiGH: run "id" |
| 14:54.39 | JordiGH | wols: Yes, the right group shows up. I can cd into the group, I just can't stat it. |
| 14:54.45 | JordiGH | Er, into the homedir. |
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| 14:55.53 | MaximusBrood | Hello. |
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| 14:58.15 | JordiGH | In chmod 1770, what does the 1 mean? |
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| 14:58.52 | jpinx | Anyone help me with how to rewrite filenames that have spanish characters? rsync is choking on them. |
| 14:59.06 | kenjy | hello =) |
| 14:59.07 | MaximusBrood | JordiGH: That's the sticky bit. |
| 14:59.15 | MaximusBrood | JordiGH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_bit |
| 14:59.20 | kenjy | dowdle dooooooooooowdle I finished your translation, did you got my mail? |
| 14:59.50 | JordiGH | Ah, I see. But that's not what I want. I need to modify my umask instead. I want to be able to create files and allow others to modify the files I create. |
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| 15:03.05 | SamuraiDio | away lunch |
| 15:03.07 | JordiGH | Is there a way to make chmod recursively go down and add 030 to files? |
| 15:03.24 | MaximusBrood | JordiGH: Just use -R |
| 15:03.28 | MaximusBrood | I'm trying to setup rssh to only allow scp in a chroot jail. I've setup the jail, with the mode of rssh being 4550 and owned by root:rsshusers. When I try to copy a file from outside it fails, leaving this in my syslog: "rssh_chroot_helper[13478]: chroot() failed, 1: Operation not permitted". I have no idea what is happening here, even less idea on how to fix it. Can anybody help me? |
| 15:03.44 | JordiGH | MaximusBrood: But I want it to *add* that to the permissions, not to replace it. |
| 15:03.55 | MaximusBrood | With the mode of rssh_jail_helper* |
| 15:04.34 | MaximusBrood | JordiGH: Then use symbolic notation. |
| 15:04.47 | infernix | JordiGH: like, chmod -R g+[rwxXst] |
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| 15:05.13 | unop | JordiGH, what does adding 030 do? or what do you think it does? |
| 15:05.36 | JordiGH | unop: Give write-exec access to the group. |
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| 15:06.09 | unop | JordiGH, chmod -R g+rw directory |
| 15:07.00 | MaximusBrood | Okay, fucked up eternally: with the mode of rssh_chroot_helper* |
| 15:07.16 | snowrichard | is that language neccessary? |
| 15:07.29 | MaximusBrood | Essential, no, it is not. |
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| 15:08.12 | MaximusBrood | Still there are quite a lot of other non-essential things. One is you asking if it is. |
| 15:08.38 | tralala | yuan_, remove the (useless) line "NR == L1, NR == L2" and you'll be fine |
| 15:08.59 | JordiGH | unop: Is there a way to make chmod distinguish directories from files? |
| 15:09.09 | JordiGH | Or do I have to write a bashism to do that? |
| 15:09.20 | unop | JordiGH, use it in combination with find .. -exec |
| 15:09.27 | JordiGH | unop: Alright... |
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| 15:09.49 | unop | JordiGH, find /somewhere -type d -exec chmod g+rw {} \; |
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| 15:10.34 | JordiGH | Is that {} \; thing at the end just find notation for letting it know that the thing to exec is over? |
| 15:10.47 | JordiGH | unop: ^^ |
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| 15:11.15 | unop | JordiGH, yes pretty much |
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| 15:13.21 | unop | JordiGH, i misread .. find substitute {} with the object it finds there when compiling the command. i believe \; or ; terminates the expression. |
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| 15:14.51 | JordiGH | would probably write that "find somewhere/ type -d | xargs chmod g+rw" and it would probably be wrong if directories have spaces in their names so would take a few tries to get it right. |
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| 15:15.52 | dandre | hello, |
| 15:16.10 | dandre | Is there a rdp serveur for debian? |
| 15:16.56 | wursti | hi all |
| 15:16.57 | dandre | I wan to connect to a linux box using terminal server client from an xp workstation |
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| 15:17.28 | tralala | dandre, I don't think so. Try vnc |
| 15:17.35 | yuan_ | tralala: However, I want to use the code in shell, some value should be binded. |
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| 15:17.55 | JordiGH | Ack, stupid permissions. If cd dir/ is fine, but then "ls" inside that directory is permission denied, what does that mean? |
| 15:17.58 | dandre | it's not as usable as rdp client |
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| 15:18.37 | JordiGH | And dir/ is 770, and I'm in the dir's group. |
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| 15:18.48 | tralala | yuan_, the line in question does nothing except to product the strange results. Remove it and it will work fine in a shell script or an interactive shell. |
| 15:18.51 | dandre | and vnc serveur must be run after opning a session. I want to open a session remotly |
| 15:18.56 | tralala | *produce* |
| 15:19.00 | Nomad__ | Any NFS gurus? |
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| 15:20.04 | tralala | dandre, A nvc server _can_ open a session. |
| 15:20.05 | yuan_ | tralala: Thanks very much!:-P |
| 15:20.13 | tralala | yuan_, you're welcome |
| 15:20.21 | yuan_ | tralala: :-) |
| 15:20.37 | jelly | dandre: do you want to attach to a session in progress, or just run some X apps? |
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| 15:21.01 | JordiGH | unop: Ah, chmod g+X is what we want. |
| 15:21.11 | dandre | I want to open a session |
| 15:21.18 | jelly | dandre: at the console? |
| 15:21.54 | dandre | no remotely in the same way than with xdmp |
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| 15:22.09 | unop | JordiGH, that could sometimes fails .. best to be explicit |
| 15:22.10 | jelly | dandre: so use xdm. |
| 15:22.51 | arkara | do you all guys use debian? or you use ubuntu and other debian derivatives to? |
| 15:22.57 | jelly | dandre: that is, install an X server on your windows machine (xming is free), then connect remotely via XDMCP. |
| 15:23.00 | ErikRose | Boy, I can't packages.debian.org to respond this morning. Anybody know offhand if whatever package contains netstat is Essential? |
| 15:23.07 | dandre | I don't have x server on my windows |
| 15:23.11 | ErikRose | I guess I could look the hard way. |
| 15:23.12 | JordiGH | arkara: We are here for Debian, a few of us may also use Ubuntu. |
| 15:23.13 | jelly | dandre: install it. |
| 15:23.23 | JordiGH | arkara: But Ubuntu is offtopic in this channel. |
| 15:23.37 | arkara | sorry |
| 15:23.56 | ErikRose | net-tools is Important, it turns out. |
| 15:24.05 | dandre | ok but I had a user with vista who couldn't get it running |
| 15:24.16 | JordiGH | arkara: You might want to try the debian-user mailing list; they're a lot more tolerant of Ubuntu questions over there (and reputedly give better answers than Ubuntu channels). |
| 15:24.19 | tralala | ErikRose, the hard way wasnt that hard apparently |
| 15:24.34 | ErikRose | Nope. :-) Rubberducking into chat rooms always gives me ideas. |
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| 15:24.51 | ErikRose | Sometimes I don't even have to hit Return. |
| 15:24.54 | rwaite | wtf is up with packages.debian.org taking FOREVER to load |
| 15:25.00 | dandre | does this package exists for debian: http://xrdp.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:25.03 | JordiGH | rwaite: server load? |
| 15:25.09 | dandre | I haven't seen in etch |
| 15:25.09 | tarzeau | dandre: yes |
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| 15:25.15 | tarzeau | dandre: not in etch |
| 15:25.19 | JordiGH | !info xrdp |
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| 15:25.30 | folken | apt-cache search xrdp | xrdp - Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) server |
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| 15:25.44 | rwaite | A+++++ would xrdp again |
| 15:25.45 | dpkg | xrdp: (Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) server), section net, is optional. Version: 0.4.0~dfsg-8 (sid), Packaged size: 197 kB, Installed size: 600 kB |
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| 15:26.31 | dandre | it is sid only? |
| 15:26.43 | tralala | dandre, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:27.31 | dandre | package.debian.org seems down |
| 15:28.10 | dandre | ok works now |
| 15:28.21 | folken | sort of.. |
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| 15:28.36 | rwaite | it's been doing that for me a lot lately |
| 15:28.56 | ErikRose | Perhaps it's the freeze rush. |
| 15:28.58 | folken | might be my umts connection though.. |
| 15:29.05 | ErikRose | No, it's me too. |
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| 15:29.29 | Lisio | Hallo |
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| 15:29.37 | folken | hallo Lisio |
| 15:29.55 | Lisio | My first time on irc :) |
| 15:30.11 | Lisio | and IT's GREAT :) |
| 15:30.13 | Lisio | ok |
| 15:30.22 | Lisio | I need answer for my question |
| 15:30.25 | rwaite | mutt of icedove. that is the question. |
| 15:30.32 | rwaite | s/of/or/ |
| 15:30.41 | folken | Lisio: just ask, and type lots of words on a single line. :) |
| 15:30.45 | tralala | and the answer is mutt |
| 15:30.51 | Lisio | I installed Debian Sparc on my old sparc server :) |
| 15:31.01 | rwaite | i'm thinking you're right |
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| 15:31.05 | dandre | I haven't found the xrdp backport |
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| 15:31.11 | folken | Lisio: cool.. i also have it running on sparc |
| 15:31.26 | tralala | dandre, nor read the factoid apparently |
| 15:31.33 | Lisio | but in repositry i cant' find any virtualization software |
| 15:31.44 | Lisio | for sparc |
| 15:31.57 | folken | Lisio: for sparc i'm afraid you are out of look, except maybe vserver. |
| 15:32.03 | folken | out of luck? |
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| 15:32.12 | tralala | not even qemu? |
| 15:32.36 | folken | give me a sec I'll check. |
| 15:32.49 | dandre | tralala: what do you mean? |
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| 15:33.21 | tralala | I mean this: 18:26 < tralala> dandre, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:34.00 | folken | Lisio: qemu and kqemu seem to be availaable on sparc. |
| 15:34.57 | Lisio | do You try it? |
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| 15:36.42 | Lisio | hmm i found info about qemu and sparc system installed on qemu :) |
| 15:36.52 | Lisio | but i try run qemu on sparc :) |
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| 15:38.32 | Lisio | folken: is qemu package in standard repository on debian-sparc? |
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| 15:40.31 | twobitsprite | is anyone else having problems with the packages.debian.org search? |
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| 15:41.28 | Lisio | doesn't work now :( |
| 15:41.39 | g__sin | hi... i downloaded the debian etch dvd image, burnt it to disc,, when i tried installing it on VMware(on win XP).. it worked like a breeze but when i try installing it on the free space on my hard disk to have a dual boot.. the installer first runs painfully slow and when i've done the partitioning it hangs while formatting /boot |
| 15:42.07 | g__sin | any ideas wat seems to be the problem? |
| 15:42.19 | twobitsprite | anyways... I was trying to find info on the new ATI opensource drivers, and was thinking "if its in debian, they're good", but I can't use the search page :P |
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| 15:43.18 | JordiGH | Is there a way to make files I modify belong to a certain group without changing my primary group? |
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| 15:43.51 | twobitsprite | JordiGH, if you're the owner of the file, chown should work |
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| 15:44.35 | JordiGH | Can't I automate that? |
| 15:44.35 | g__sin | anybody have any ideas to my problem? |
| 15:44.43 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: And you mean chgrp, not chown. |
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| 15:45.24 | twobitsprite | JordiGH, automate? like, you want a script to do it? |
| 15:45.33 | twobitsprite | JordiGH, and yes, chgrp works too... |
| 15:45.53 | JordiGH | No, I want files that I touch to be created with a different group than my private group. |
| 15:46.01 | Speereet | Hello. I have the same problem described in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=494633. I'm running stable software EXCLUSIVELY. How do I circumvent this issue? |
| 15:46.16 | folken | Lisio: i think i was wrong |
| 15:46.18 | twobitsprite | ohh... I'm not sute |
| 15:46.21 | JordiGH | "touch foo" and foo should belong to another group. |
| 15:46.22 | twobitsprite | sure* |
| 15:46.35 | folken | Lisio: i have the kqemu-source packages for the kernel module, but no qemu package |
| 15:46.39 | JordiGH | Man, Unix permissions suck. :-/ |
| 15:46.40 | twobitsprite | I think there's an env variable you can set for that, but I can't remember |
| 15:46.51 | twobitsprite | JordiGH, only if you don't know how to use them :P |
| 15:46.56 | folken | JordiGH: try posix acl :) |
| 15:46.57 | g__sin | hi... i downloaded the debian etch dvd image, burnt it to disc,, when i tried installing it on VMware(on win XP).. it worked like a breeze but when i try installing it on the free space on my hard disk to have a dual boot.. the installer first runs painfully slow and when i've done the partitioning it hangs while formatting /boot |
| 15:47.00 | g__sin | anybody have any ideas to my problem? |
| 15:47.20 | twobitsprite | g__sin, please don't repeat your question... if someone knew the answer they would have responded |
| 15:47.30 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: No, even if you know how to use them, they're severely limited in what they can do. ACLs are a nice replacement, but they're not everywhere, and I don't have root on this machine. |
| 15:47.34 | g__sin | twobitsprite: ok.. |
| 15:48.00 | folken | Lisio: i think on sparc hardware its probably best to use solaris zones. |
| 15:48.13 | twobitsprite | JordiGH, doesn't selinux offer more flexibility? |
| 15:48.23 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: Maybe, never used it. |
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| 15:48.36 | infinity_ | is it possible to shrink a mounted ext3 filesystem? my VPS vendor can't follow instructions. |
| 15:48.37 | tralala | twobitsprite, and complexity |
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| 15:48.49 | twobitsprite | tralala, can you have one without the other? |
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| 15:49.14 | beardy | JordiGH: Use the group sticky bit. http://www.library.yale.edu/wsg/docs/permissions/sgid.htm |
| 15:49.16 | tralala | twobitsprite, I guess not... |
| 15:49.23 | twobitsprite | tralala, I mean, that's essentially the complaint, that traditional unix permissions are simplistic...? |
| 15:49.40 | MaximusBrood | I'm trying to setup rssh to only allow scp in a chroot jail. I've setup the jail, with the mode of rssh_chroot_helper being 4550 and owned by root:rsshusers. When I try to copy a file from outside it fails, leaving this in my syslog: "rssh_chroot_helper[13478]: chroot() failed, 1: Operation not permitted". I have no idea what is happening here, even less idea on how to fix it. Can anybody help me? |
| 15:49.41 | beardy | Stop whining on things that work. |
| 15:49.45 | JordiGH | beardy: I'm just trying to set up a collaborative directory and make it simple, is this the way to do it? |
| 15:49.51 | beardy | JordiGH: Yes. |
| 15:49.59 | tralala | twobitsprite, they seem to be fine for most of the use cases |
| 15:50.28 | twobitsprite | tralala, I agree... I'm just noting that JordiGH does have a bit of a point in certain use-case scenarios |
| 15:50.42 | jelly | infinity_: afaik, only if it was created with a -O resize_inode option. You can verify it with "dumpe2fs -h /dev/whatever|grep 'Filesystem features:'" |
| 15:50.44 | twobitsprite | I've never had a problem with rwxrwxrwx |
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| 15:51.04 | [0x41] | when i try to view files in my cdrom drive it tells me, couldn't display /media/cdrom0 .... also won't eject the cd any ideas ? |
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| 15:51.32 | JordiGH | "chmod -R 777 /" and all problems solved, yay (KIDS, DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME) |
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| 15:51.45 | n08l3J | Hello debian people |
| 15:51.53 | jelly | twobitsprite: you've never user a multiuser system where you couldn't trust all the users? |
| 15:52.05 | twobitsprite | JordiGH, that's not what I was saying :P |
| 15:52.10 | n08l3J | I am installing recent debian on a i386 intel cerelon processor |
| 15:52.17 | Speereet | [Let me put this in other words] Modules in debian *stable* didn't compile while using the module-assistant. In that case, what's the conventional debian procedure for fixing such issues by hand? |
| 15:52.20 | n08l3J | The base system options i m getting are |
| 15:52.28 | twobitsprite | jelly, sorry, I meant the structure of being able to set just those bits, not having them all actually set |
| 15:52.33 | infinity_ | jelly: really? interesting |
| 15:52.34 | beardy | !enter |
| 15:52.34 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 15:52.35 | n08l3J | linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 15:52.38 | tralala | I thought i386 is not supported anymore |
| 15:53.03 | jelly | infinity_: I know that's true for extending the partition; don't know if it applies to shrinking as well |
| 15:53.16 | n08l3J | which one should i install ? |
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| 15:53.50 | infinity_ | jelly: everything on the resize2fs website says you can grow it online, but doesn't say anything about shrinking |
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| 15:54.24 | infinity_ | jelly: i'll try anything cuz its a new server. i'd rather fix it than wait for the server vendor to rebuild it |
| 15:54.38 | h3k | hello |
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| 15:54.44 | h3k | anyone chinese? |
| 15:54.49 | pumpkin0 | let's assume for a second i really need this: can i set the stack-size to 512MB? Or is there any limit in the linux kernel? |
| 15:54.51 | tralala | !cn |
| 15:54.51 | dpkg | [cn] China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
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| 15:55.57 | twobitsprite | pumpkin0, why do you need that? |
| 15:56.11 | tralala | pumpkin0, go through the kernel headers and you'll find out |
| 15:56.13 | JordiGH | I don't get this at all. I can cd into foo, with perms 770, but if have neither read nor write perms there. But I know there's another directory in there, so if I do cd "foo/bar", then I have full access there. |
| 15:56.20 | JordiGH | And bar also has perms 770. |
| 15:56.28 | pumpkin0 | tralala: any idea where to start? |
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| 15:57.02 | tralala | grep -ir stack /usr/src/linux-headers-* |
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| 15:57.55 | jelly | infinity_: you might end up with having to wait for them to fix your broken machine, if you blindly trust me :-) |
| 15:59.01 | jelly | pumpkin0: /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 15:59.29 | jelly | pumpkin0: man limits.conf, etc. |
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| 15:59.58 | dbmoodb | jelly: what does perms 700 mean exactly -- FIRST you need to pick a group / user allow that user to have access then try again-- do the same for groups. |
| 16:00.05 | jelly | pumpkin0: I guess there is a kernel limit, but I have no idea what it is. |
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| 16:00.21 | jelly | dbmoodb: ECOMPLETION |
| 16:00.52 | setog3 | hi, sorry if the question isn't directly related to debian, but I don't find any solution anywhere, so I ask, is that possible to capture infiniband traffic and with which tool ? I found nothing.. |
| 16:00.55 | tralala | pumpkin0, also grep -i stack /boot/config-2.6.* |
| 16:00.57 | dbmoodb | jelly: ? |
| 16:01.05 | pumpkin0 | jelly: no limit set there. Depending on how long i have been logged in ulimit -s works with 32-64MB. So i guess the limit is in that region ... |
| 16:01.12 | dbmoodb | oh sorry wrong guy. |
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| 16:01.32 | jelly | pumpkin0: "how long..."? unlikely |
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| 16:02.16 | jelly | pumpkin0: you can _set_ a higher default there |
| 16:02.36 | pumpkin0 | jelly: well, ssh into the box, then ulimit to 64MB works. ssh into the box, start xload and ulimit 64M fails... |
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| 16:02.55 | pumpkin0 | jelly: i know, i want the maximal supported value by the stock kernel ... |
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| 16:04.17 | twobitsprite | setog3, wireshark won't capture on ib0? |
| 16:05.00 | setog3 | twobitsprite: yes, but I only see IPoverIB, not the real IB packet.. (many packet missed ) |
| 16:05.04 | setog3 | same with tcpdump |
| 16:05.18 | setog3 | for example if I do a ibping, I get nothing with wireshark |
| 16:05.25 | twobitsprite | ohh... no ideas then |
| 16:05.49 | twobitsprite | maybe there's a module for wireshark to unwrap ib packets... |
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| 16:07.39 | twobitsprite | omg |
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| 16:07.51 | jelly | wtf |
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| 16:08.19 | h3k | how to change the kernel option "Timer frequency" , dont compile the kernel! |
| 16:08.43 | twobitsprite | do you mean "without recompiling the kernel"? |
| 16:08.46 | tralala | h3k, man sysctl |
| 16:08.52 | h3k | yap |
| 16:09.17 | h3k | tralala: thanks |
| 16:09.34 | tralala | h3k, you're welcome |
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| 16:12.02 | h3k | what's the option " Timer frequency"? |
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| 16:16.35 | h3k | i can't find the option ... |
| 16:19.07 | tralala | h3k, what is "Timer frequency" and why do you want to change it? |
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| 16:21.07 | h3k | tralala: Enhances the gui response |
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| 16:21.39 | tralala | h3k, who says that? |
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| 16:22.29 | h3k | tralala: http://lamp.linux.gov.cn/Linux/kernel_options.html |
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| 16:24.50 | h3k | tralala: http://kerneltrap.org/node/6532 |
| 16:25.16 | mcgreg | hi, what do I lack to get "/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" this file? I need it to get powernowd working. I have (I think/I believe) all needed kernel modules loaded |
| 16:25.48 | h3k | mcgreg: edit fstab |
| 16:26.08 | mcgreg | h3k: sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) ? |
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| 16:26.22 | tralala | mcgreg, you need a kernel module. What's your cpu? |
| 16:26.30 | mcgreg | intel celeron |
| 16:26.59 | tralala | h3k, try dev.hpet.max-user-freq. That's the only reference to a timer that I could find on this page. |
| 16:27.01 | drojan | Hi all! I'm trying to configure my linux box as a ssh server. So far, it works fine within my local network, but when I try to access it from the internet and it requests my password (so port-fowarding through the router works as well) it will always say "Permission denied, please try again". Any idea what point am I missing? cheers |
| 16:27.23 | h3k | tralala: ok |
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| 16:27.41 | tralala | mcgreg, centrino based? |
| 16:28.12 | mcgreg | tralala: honestly I dont know. intel celeron processor 560 |
| 16:28.30 | tralala | mcgreg, how old is it? |
| 16:28.46 | dante_2core | why, hello everyone. |
| 16:28.48 | mcgreg | my laptop is quite new - well, I'll google abouit that |
| 16:28.51 | dante_2core | kenjy, did you find a solution to your thingy yet? |
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| 16:29.06 | tralala | mcgreg, try modprobe speedstep-centrino |
| 16:29.18 | kenjy | dante_2core: yes it was squid who was releasing and old file tnks :) |
| 16:29.34 | mcgreg | FATAL: Error inserting speedstep_centrino (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep-centrino.ko): No such device |
| 16:29.39 | dante_2core | kenjy, oh, I see - well, congrats on having it working now :P |
| 16:30.26 | dlynes | Is there an easy way to have both backports.debian.org and the debian main mirror and debian security updates sites all working together copascetically? |
| 16:30.27 | tralala | mcgreg, modprobe acpi-cpufreq |
| 16:30.50 | mcgreg | tralala: FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device |
| 16:31.04 | dlynes | When I've got the other sites configured in there, and backports, it doesn't install the correct packages from backports, telling me that all the packages are up to date |
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| 16:31.25 | dante_2core | dlynes, have a look at apt policies |
| 16:31.38 | dlynes | dante_2core: is that a file? |
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| 16:32.08 | dante_2core | dlynes, no, it's a part of the apt package management system. try apt-cache policy <somepackage>, and you'll see more info on it. |
| 16:32.15 | kenjy | tnks dante_2core |
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| 16:32.42 | tralala | mcgreg, I don't know then. Try /msg dpkg laptops |
| 16:32.55 | mcgreg | tralala: ok, thx you for your help |
| 16:33.15 | dante_2core | dlynes, policies handle which packages are given higher priorities - this way, you can control i.e. if backports are more important than stable packages etc. |
| 16:33.16 | dlynes | dante_2core: ok...looks ok...what do I do with that information, though? |
| 16:33.17 | Neaai | Hello all. I was wondering on how is it determined the numbering of the ethernet interfaces. I inserted a new 3com card in a machine that serves as a router and I found out that it is numbered eth6. What already was there was eth1 and eth2. Any ideas ? |
| 16:33.26 | tralala | mcgreg, try also modprobe cpufreq_powersave |
| 16:33.41 | mcgreg | tralala: I have all those cpufreq_* modules loaded |
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| 16:33.42 | dlynes | dante_2core: ah...so I have to set that on an individual package basis, then? |
| 16:33.43 | dante_2core | dlynes, google for "apt policies" or "apt policy system" |
| 16:33.46 | manb | hi. i wanted to connect to a network, but it didn't work with debian but with windows. and it worked only with windows when the QoS paket manager was enabled. so i assume, i only can connect if i have the QoS paket manager. how do i get this with linux debian= |
| 16:33.51 | manb | s/=/? |
| 16:34.06 | netcrash | hello , where should I place the umask directive for new users added with adduser or useradd ? |
| 16:34.10 | dante_2core | dlynes, I don't think you, I think you can do that on mirror-basis too, but I don't know too much about it, google it up |
| 16:34.14 | tralala | mcgreg, yeah, that was a desperate attempt... |
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| 16:37.02 | dlynes | dante_2core: ok, thanks |
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| 16:37.22 | dante_2core | dlynes, you're welcome. if you don't get any further, just re-ask. I'll give my bset. |
| 16:37.26 | dante_2core | *best* |
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| 16:37.50 | dlynes | dante_2core: it appears I was doing it correctly for the sites, but for whatever reason it needed the old versions removed; it wouldn't upgrade them |
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| 16:38.08 | dante_2core | dlynes, I see... weird. |
| 16:38.11 | dlynes | dante_2core: maybe it was because the upgrade is coming from backports, not the mirror |
| 16:38.14 | Neaai | Hello all. I was wondering on how is it determined what number is assigned for the ethernet interfaces. I inserted a new 3com card in a machine that serves as a router and I found out that it is numbered eth6. What already was there was eth1 and eth2. Any ideas ? |
| 16:38.22 | dante_2core | mhm |
| 16:38.43 | dlynes | dante_2core: I had to do an apt-get remove on about ten packages, and then do an apt-get install python-pylons |
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| 16:39.17 | dlynes | dante_2core: could just be crappily written packages, too |
| 16:39.27 | dante_2core | dlynes, ^^ yes, that could be too. |
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| 16:39.46 | dlynes | dante_2core: I've run into that before, where one package just completely corrupted my apt database |
| 16:39.47 | manb | !QoS |
| 16:39.47 | dpkg | well, qos is Quality of Service, a way of prioritizing IP traffic, or see DiffServ, or see Linux 2.4 Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO at http://lartc.org |
| 16:39.58 | dlynes | dante_2core: running apt-get update -f is always fun |
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| 16:40.45 | dlynes | dante_2core: but, even then...apt-get is still worlds better than rpm |
| 16:41.01 | dante_2core | dlynes, I have apt sources that anyone here would kill me for, so crappy they are, but I learned to cope with them and am happy ever since |
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| 16:42.21 | tralala | mcgreg, there's also a chance that the celeron cannot do frequency scaling |
| 16:42.45 | Vi^3PP | anyone used jailer or makejail before and know a good howto on it OR another option that would obtain the results im looking for with a chroot jail for ssh'rs |
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| 16:44.08 | dummies_freelanc | hi |
| 16:44.28 | dummies_freelanc | when many win one developer senior in EEUU? |
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| 16:44.48 | dummies_freelanc | sorry for de offtopic |
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| 16:45.32 | simonrvn | the who what? |
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| 16:46.02 | cjs_ | anyone know if there is a deb pkg for the python source? i can't seem to dig it up via apt-cache search |
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| 16:47.03 | massmc | test test *blows into teh mic* |
| 16:47.56 | SamuraiDio | cjs_, usually *-dev |
| 16:47.56 | SamuraiDio | cjs_, example python-dev |
| 16:47.56 | cjs_ | tried python-src, will try dev |
| 16:47.56 | cjs_ | i don't find apt-cache search to be the greatest search tool :) |
| 16:48.04 | cjs_ | but you're correct, -dev... should've thought of that... :) thanks |
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| 16:48.58 | SamuraiDio | cjs_, that depends on the distro, in debian, source packages are always *.dev |
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| 16:51.01 | SolarWar | when I grep for smbd from ps ax, I get four or five instances of smbd- is this normal? |
| 16:51.22 | mcgreg | tralala: is there any way to check that? something that /proc/cpuinfo should show? |
| 16:52.01 | tralala | mcgreg, what's the process model shown there? |
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| 16:52.51 | mcgreg | tralala: http://rafb.net/p/EEV5xt81.html |
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| 16:53.16 | ravn1 | hi guys, I was reading the GNU gettext manual and started thinking: whys not store a po-database on the web and reused translated strings from all packages? This way probably many strings will be ready-made since many programs use at leas partly the same strings. |
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| 16:54.54 | massmc | how do I set up a ssh server up so ppl can shell into a box |
| 16:55.25 | mcgreg | install a ssh server, open the port 21 |
| 16:55.36 | cromag | 21 ? |
| 16:55.39 | gnittor | mcgreg, 22 |
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| 16:55.42 | mcgreg | oh sry |
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| 16:55.49 | massmc | whats it called in apt-get mcgreg |
| 16:55.54 | cromag | but, openssh-server |
| 16:55.56 | twobitsprite | massmc, the package ssh-server might be helpful |
| 16:55.58 | massmc | 21 is ftp |
| 16:55.59 | cromag | ok |
| 16:56.14 | mcgreg | yeah sry ;) |
| 16:56.16 | massmc | so apt-get openssh-server? |
| 16:56.25 | cromag | apt-get install |
| 16:56.25 | twobitsprite | apt-get install openssh-server |
| 16:56.32 | twobitsprite | !win twobitsprite |
| 16:56.32 | massmc | cheers bruz |
| 16:56.32 | dpkg | Congratulations, twobitsprite! You have won a one way ticket to Gaza! |
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| 17:00.43 | tralala | mcgreg, probably doesn't support scaling |
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| 17:04.05 | Speereet | [Today's not my lucky day.] Hey, I have an Intel Core 2 Duo with 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 installed. Which kernel do you recommend, and why? (So far, compiling modules has gone bad, therefore I'm looking for non painful solutions.) |
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| 17:10.12 | agave_ | hi all, i've just upgraded from stable to unstable, but i can't start X anynome. The error is VESA(0) : No matching Modes. Screens found, but none have a unsable configuration. Any ideas? |
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| 17:10.19 | agave_ | *anymore |
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| 17:11.09 | gnittor | agave_, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 17:11.25 | agave_ | gnittor, already done, let's try again. |
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| 17:11.53 | gnittor | what graphics card do you have? |
| 17:11.58 | agave_ | vesa |
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| 17:12.10 | gnittor | hardware |
| 17:12.10 | agave_ | oh, in the stable worked as a vesa. |
| 17:12.29 | agave_ | i don't know the hw, i know that in the stable worked well. :D |
| 17:12.56 | gnittor | paste the xorg log |
| 17:13.01 | gnittor | (not here) |
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| 17:14.10 | gnittor | and check lspci to see what card you have |
| 17:14.12 | agave_ | where is it? |
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| 17:14.42 | gnittor | /var/log |
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| 17:16.33 | thesandstrom | hello :) I just recently burned a netinst cd of lenny-beta2 i386 that I'm trying to install on an Intel C2Q 6600. however, my bios won't boot from the CD. It boots all other Linux/BSD cd's I've tried in it, and the debian CDs in turn boot successfully on three other computers. any ideas? |
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| 17:17.50 | agave_ | gnittor: the same as the output in the server error. |
| 17:17.59 | abrotman | thesandstrom: sometimes when you burn ISOs at high speed they fail |
| 17:18.16 | gnittor | agave_, yes but i need to see it |
| 17:18.34 | agave_ | eh, i'm in text-mode, i cant. |
| 17:18.39 | drojan | Hi all! I'm trying to configure my linux box as a ssh server. So far, it works fine within my local network, but when I try to access it from the internet and it requests my password (so port-fowarding through the router works as well) it will always say "Permission denied, please try again". Any idea what point am I missing? cheers |
| 17:18.41 | thesandstrom | abrotman: the CD is not faulty. as I said, it has booted/boots successfully on other computers |
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| 17:18.45 | agave_ | in the old log, i see |
| 17:18.49 | jammy_ | apt-get doesn't show install |
| 17:18.53 | jammy_ | what to do? |
| 17:19.04 | gnittor | agave_, ok how about lspci? |
| 17:19.07 | agave_ | "Unable to estimate virtual size" |
| 17:19.44 | PriitM | If I install Debian Lenny on HDD what is running on SATA2 mode and later switch the same HDD to SATA mode, may it cause system unstability? |
| 17:19.50 | agave_ | VGA Compatible Controller: Device 1ab8:1131 |
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| 17:21.34 | Neaai | Hello all. I was wondering on how is it determined what number is assigned for the ethernet interfaces. I inserted a new 3com card in a machine that serves as a router and I found out that it is numbered eth6. What already was there was eth1 and eth2. Any ideas ? |
| 17:21.35 | agave_ | gnittor: VGA Compatible Controller: Device 1ab8:1131 |
| 17:21.37 | abrotman | thesandstrom: you could try a daily (did you use a CDRW?) |
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| 17:21.48 | abrotman | !tell Neaai about z25 |
| 17:21.56 | gnittor | agave_, look for lines begining with '(EE)' in your xorg log |
| 17:22.14 | thesandstrom | abrotman: nope, but I have a huge amount of CD-R's, so :D I'll give it a go |
| 17:22.17 | soulchild | How can I find out which Driver for my Graphic Device is loaded by the Xserver ? |
| 17:22.21 | Neaai | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:22.38 | abrotman | thesandstrom: alternately (though i'd try a daily first) ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:22.51 | abrotman | agave_: update-pciids |
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| 17:23.31 | agave_ | mmh |
| 17:23.33 | agave_ | ok |
| 17:23.43 | enouf | PriitM: please try not to ask in multiple channels simultaneously |
| 17:23.56 | thesandstrom | abrotman: alrighty, thanks for the assistance :) |
| 17:24.09 | PriitM | enouf, well I was looking for more views. Thanks anyways ;) |
| 17:24.11 | Speereet | What kernel image is recommended for Intel Core 2 Duo? |
| 17:24.14 | abrotman | -686 |
| 17:24.17 | abrotman | or -amd64 |
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| 17:24.35 | agave_ | gnittor: the same as i've already written. |
| 17:24.51 | agave_ | No modes found, and screens found, etc etc. |
| 17:25.51 | agave_ | No Matching modes, exactly. |
| 17:26.34 | Eulex | agave_, can you pastebin it? |
| 17:26.37 | enouf | PriitM: it's fine to ask in multiple places - just not at the same time ;-) give people some time to respond. |
| 17:26.49 | agave_ | Eulex, i'm text-mode, im' sorry. |
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| 17:27.05 | Eulex | agave_, doesn't mean that you can't pastebin it |
| 17:27.05 | agave_ | however, there are just these lines. |
| 17:27.10 | Eulex | !tell agave_ about pastebin pipe |
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| 17:27.56 | PriitM | I'll bear that in mind. |
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| 17:33.25 | soulchild | HI ALL,... How can I find out which Driver for my Graphic Device is loaded by the Xserver ? |
| 17:33.32 | Graveworm | Hi all :)! Ok... Maybe this could also be a samba problem but I'm asking anyway ;)... I'm totally confused. I'm running samba 3.024 on debian lenny with acls. Although I've set up acls that a group of users can't read several files they are able to see and even to read those files with the windows explorer... Any hints? |
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| 17:36.40 | Graveworm | soulchild: If you're running kde you can find the driver in the "infocenter"... Or you have a look at your "xorg.conf". There you should find the driver you've set up. |
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| 17:37.19 | Avernos | hello, how can i limit the internet speed for my debian machine? i only have a terminal |
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| 17:39.12 | agave_ | Eulex: i'm doing cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | perl paste2pastebin.pl. Is it correct? |
| 17:39.27 | jelly | Avernos: you could use wondershaper, or shaper, or, if you want to limit per application, trickle |
| 17:39.42 | Eulex | agave_, ues. |
| 17:39.52 | Avernos | thats what google said but im looking for the whole os |
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| 17:40.35 | agave_ | Eulex, some output is needed? Because it seems that the application freezes. |
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| 17:40.38 | Avernos | the speed is quite limited here and i cannot bother other machines.. i have to avoid the debian machine taking the whole speed |
| 17:40.56 | Eulex | agave_, hmm, sorry, no idea then |
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| 17:41.12 | agave_ | eh |
| 17:41.15 | Eulex | Avernos, jelly's answer is correct. |
| 17:41.16 | agave_ | Eulex i told you |
| 17:41.26 | agave_ | those are the errors i get. |
| 17:41.27 | Avernos | ohh :S sorry.. |
| 17:41.58 | Avernos | my bad, thanks a lot |
| 17:42.01 | agave_ | the weird thing is that with etch all worked well. |
| 17:42.05 | Eulex | agave_, you said that it did not found any matching modes. now, does it say anything about any mode at all? |
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| 17:43.07 | agave_ | Eulex: doing startx, it says "VESA(0): No matching modes" "Screens found, but none have a usable configuration." |
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| 17:43.37 | agave_ | Eulex: Connection reset by peer, unable to connect to X server. |
| 17:44.04 | Eulex | agave_, what it says in Xorg.0.log is what is important. that error may mean anything. |
| 17:44.25 | agave_ | Eulex: i said to you what is the output :D |
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| 17:44.40 | agave_ | Eulex: the (EE) lines. |
| 17:45.10 | hramrach | Hello |
| 17:45.19 | Speereet | abrotman: what's the difference? [I know the general differences only.] What would you recommend for production systems? |
| 17:45.20 | Eulex | agave_, ah, sorry. so, does it list any modes above that in Xorg.0.log? what does it say about them? |
| 17:45.20 | hramrach | How do I set the qt theme? |
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| 17:48.52 | Speereet | Gotta catch the train. Thank you all, especially abrotman. |
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| 17:48.54 | NeonLightning | yea getting sick of /msg nickserv@services.dal.net crap for dal and /msg nickserv for the others |
| 17:48.59 | NeonLightning | oops mt |
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| 17:49.21 | Eulex | NeonLightning, make your irc client to that upon logon. |
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| 17:50.29 | NeonLightning | yea i'm now using irssi and going from xchat it was a bit of a switch |
| 17:50.41 | NeonLightning | i just finally got my config setup for irssi |
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| 17:51.21 | agave_ | Eulex: i get various modes with their configuration, and after these modes, i get the errors (No matching modes)., |
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| 17:51.46 | Eulex | agave_, does it say anything about the modes? |
| 17:52.34 | agave_ | Eulex: like that: mode 119 (1024x768) and then a list of weird configurations and numbers... |
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| 17:54.37 | agave_ | Eulex, do you know how can i de-upgrade? :D |
| 17:54.47 | Eulex | !downgrade |
| 17:54.47 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 17:55.15 | agave_ | wow |
| 17:55.18 | agave_ | ... |
| 17:55.26 | Eulex | agave_, what video modes are listed in your xorg.conf? |
| 17:56.17 | agave_ | from 1920x1440 to 640x480. :D |
| 17:56.25 | agave_ | default depth 24 |
| 17:56.38 | agave_ | in the other depths i get freezed screen. |
| 17:57.23 | Eulex | agave_, is any video mode that is listed in xorg.conf also listed in Xorg.0.log? |
| 17:57.38 | Eulex | agave_, oh, and by the way, why are you using the vesa video driver? |
| 17:57.43 | Graveworm | Hmm....No ideas? Maybe this more likeley a samba problem but I'm asking anyway ;)... I'm totally confused. I'm running samba 3.024 on debian lenny with acls. Although I've set up acls that a group of users can't read several files they are able to see and even to read those files with the windows explorer... Any hints? |
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| 17:58.04 | ProNoob | how do i install the dependencys for compiling something ? |
| 17:58.11 | ProNoob | like all the dev packages |
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| 17:58.32 | Eulex | ProNoob, apt-get build-dep packagename |
| 17:58.36 | agave_ | mmh |
| 17:58.40 | Eulex | !wayc ProNoob |
| 17:58.40 | dpkg | ProNoob: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
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| 17:58.53 | agave_ | Eulex: is that by default. |
| 17:58.59 | ProNoob | Eulex, because i need to change this torrent client so it reports more upload |
| 17:59.05 | agave_ | Eulex: what should i utilize? |
| 17:59.12 | Eulex | agave_, sorry, I don't understand |
| 17:59.15 | Eulex | ProNoob, ... |
| 17:59.22 | agave_ | Eulex: what should i use? |
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| 17:59.43 | ProNoob | Eulex, you asked... |
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| 17:59.47 | RyanRage | Hey I am using debian but I was wondering when I use Xorg on shutdown the shell flickers badly and there are vertical white line. Ubuntu doesn't do this when it shuts down and the Gentoo 2007.0 liveCD doesn't either but when I build my own gentoo system from the ground up or use debian etch I get this flickering. Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 18:00.01 | Eulex | agave_, ah, driver? well, depends upon your hardware. |
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| 18:00.29 | agave_ | eh, VGA Compatible controller. :D |
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| 18:00.59 | Eulex | agave_, which one? :) |
| 18:01.06 | Eulex | agave_, lspci will tell you |
| 18:01.18 | agave_ | Eulex: no, it just tell me that. |
| 18:01.40 | SolarWar | does the init.d script called checkfs run each time the system boots? Or is it scheduled to run after N boots, where N is a positive integer between 0 and 4 294 967 295 inclusive |
| 18:01.52 | Eulex | agave_, what does it say _after_ VGA compatible controller? Unknown device or similar? |
| 18:01.57 | agave_ | Euleno |
| 18:02.01 | agave_ | Eulex no, |
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| 18:02.16 | micols | recommendable USENET client for debian? |
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| 18:02.21 | agave_ | device 1ab8:1131 |
| 18:02.43 | Eulex | agave_, try running update-pciids, then rerun lspci |
| 18:03.59 | asg | micols: pan |
| 18:04.13 | agave_ | Eulex: the same. :D |
| 18:04.25 | Eulex | agave_, what computer is this? |
| 18:04.40 | agave_ | Eulex: i'm on a mac, with Parallels emulator. |
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| 18:04.57 | agave_ | but i repeat, it worked on etch. :\ |
| 18:05.00 | Eulex | agave_, eh, oh. |
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| 18:10.12 | shyam_k | hi has there been a bug about changing the device names of hdd and cdrom? |
| 18:10.23 | shyam_k | like,once it would be hda and then changes to sda? |
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| 18:10.55 | newsense | shyam_k: google fstab by uuid |
| 18:12.00 | newsense | shyam_k: http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/321/fstab-with-uuid/ |
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| 18:13.56 | stew | shyam_k: that isn't a bug |
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| 18:14.25 | shyam_k | newsense: thanks a lott.. we were installing labs with lenny to change it all to gnu.. and my friends found it difficult to install with these problems.. |
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| 18:15.15 | shyam_k | also another problem is that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is not proceeding after keyboard options to let us edit the screen resolution.. |
| 18:15.56 | stew | shyam_k: no, and that is intentional as well. the resolution is detected at runtime now. if you need a specific resolution or if your resolution isn't correctly being detected at runtime, edit xorg.conf |
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| 18:16.49 | shyam_k | ok.. its a lill bit tough to say to the newbies and especially non-techies:( |
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| 18:17.26 | stew | shyam_k: it ask far fewer questions now, and does much better auto-detection, which should be easier for the newbies |
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| 18:17.53 | shyam_k | yeah ofcourse.. but our lab is a meuseum of old computers! |
| 18:18.17 | stew | then it should not be a problem |
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| 18:19.24 | shyam_k | is there any change in the format of xorg.conf configurations?(i havent checked.. my friend fearing so).. |
| 18:19.25 | NeonLightning | idk i'm running a radeon 9250 and a dell m770 and i had to manually make my whole xorg it didn't detect almost anything properly |
| 18:19.42 | stew | shyam_k: no |
| 18:20.32 | shyam_k | stew: thanks.. |
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| 18:20.50 | newsense | shyam_k: worked, cool glad to hear it ! |
| 18:21.53 | shyam_k | newsense: ops sorry i have saved the page.. we are doing the installation at college.. and now i am home.. |
| 18:22.16 | shyam_k | and i am sure,the problem will be over with that solution.. |
| 18:22.16 | newsense | itll work :-) |
| 18:22.19 | shyam_k | yeah |
| 18:22.47 | shyam_k | the first and foremost problem is IRC IS BLOCKED IN CAMPUS NETWORK!:( we people are going for a protest soon:) |
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| 18:23.09 | curtmack | okay, I never did figure out what's wrong with grub... |
| 18:23.32 | curtmack | when I try to boot up on my new hard drive, I get this error: "/init line 214: /root/dev/console: No such file or directory" |
| 18:23.48 | curtmack | and then "Kernel Panic: not syncing - Attempted to kill init!" |
| 18:23.51 | stew | NeonLightning: with what version of debian? |
| 18:23.59 | curtmack | (not exact wording, but that's the gist of it) |
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| 18:27.59 | endschranz | hi, can anyone tell me howto to get out which packages are installed manually? |
| 18:28.33 | curtmack | endschranz: If you mean installed via dpkg -i, they should show up as installed |
| 18:29.08 | curtmack | if you mean you installed it by compiling from source, Debian can't help you there. You'll have to keep track of it yourself |
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| 18:30.19 | curtmack | is there anyone who can help me with grub? |
| 18:30.36 | endschranz | curtmack: of course I mean installed via dpkg, but dpkg -l lists also all automaticly installed dependencies |
| 18:30.58 | curtmack | oh |
| 18:31.02 | curtmack | I don't know about that |
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| 18:32.10 | endschranz | curtmack: ok, what about your grub problem? |
| 18:32.15 | newsense | endschranz: debfoster might do that |
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| 18:33.06 | curtmack | actually, come to think of it, it's probably an init problem |
| 18:33.14 | shyam_k | installing ntfs-3g and specifying it in /etc/fstab is what we have to do to have clear access over ntfs partitions right? its possible to have read/write access on ntfs for a common user right? |
| 18:33.33 | curtmack | I recently moved my system to a new hard drive, but when I try to boot into the new hard drive, I get a few errors |
| 18:33.36 | endschranz | newsense: ok, iwill try it |
| 18:33.42 | curtmack | first it says "mount: No such file or directory" twice |
| 18:33.45 | newsense | yes shyam_k |
| 18:33.45 | unop | shyam_k, yes |
| 18:33.48 | Lagbolt | shyam_k, you can use pmount to mount ntfs as user |
| 18:33.56 | curtmack | then it says "/init line 214: /root/dev/console not found!" |
| 18:34.12 | endschranz | curtmack: ok thats not a grub problem |
| 18:34.13 | curtmack | and finally it says "Kernel Panic: not syncing - Attempted to kill init!" |
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| 18:34.26 | Lagbolt | shyam_k, you can also setup automounting with hal to use ntfs-3g if you use something that does automounting via hal |
| 18:34.56 | Agiofws | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/pcs/space-cube-in-the-wild-171244.php |
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| 18:35.23 | curtmack | can anyone help me determine the cause? |
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| 18:35.43 | Lagbolt | curtmack, how did you "move it" |
| 18:36.21 | curtmack | cp -ax /hdb/* /usb |
| 18:36.43 | curtmack | (the reason the new drive was mounted on /usb is a matter of laziness) |
| 18:37.17 | curtmack | (and the fact that I actually did have to use a SATA enclosure to do the transfer in the first place) |
| 18:37.19 | Lagbolt | are you sure everything was copied |
| 18:37.21 | endschranz | newsense: thx for your help, debfoster is the tool i was looking for |
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| 18:38.04 | curtmack | Lagbolt: There's no /dev directory, come to think of it |
| 18:38.10 | Lagbolt | curtmack, so on new drive grub comes up and you select kern then it starts to boot fine then panics as you say above? is it getting past the initrd |
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| 18:38.20 | Lagbolt | no /dev is a problem |
| 18:38.28 | John0Neil | I need help finding file on a NTFS drive. The MBR/Partition seem to be fucked up. The drive is mounted in Ubuntu 8.04 but no file appear on it. Same if I mount manually with ntfs-3g. I know the file are still on it as I am able to see them with a bootable software called Active Partition Recovery, but I can't copy the file with them. Any idea of a software than can help me for Ubuntu/Debian? ty |
| 18:38.55 | curtmack | Lagbolt: no, it says "Loading" or whatever it does after detecting hardware and then it spits out the errors |
| 18:39.02 | curtmack | so I don't think it's gett past initrd |
| 18:39.04 | Lagbolt | yeah prob /dev is the prob |
| 18:39.24 | Lagbolt | if that doesnt exist, not dont quote me |
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| 18:39.42 | Lagbolt | John0Neil, i would mount it not using ntfs-3g to try to recover whats on it |
| 18:39.50 | Lagbolt | John0Neil, can you see the partition table with fdisk? |
| 18:40.00 | curtmack | yeah, there was no /dev on hdb either |
| 18:40.22 | John0Neil | wait a min |
| 18:40.33 | curtmack | and it wouldn't boot either |
| 18:40.37 | curtmack | so how do I fix that? |
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| 18:41.04 | curtmack | I mean, I can't copy the /dev on THIS drive |
| 18:41.09 | Lagbolt | there is no /dev/ on hdb? |
| 18:41.11 | Lagbolt | what is hdb |
| 18:41.14 | Lagbolt | new or old |
| 18:41.19 | curtmack | hdb is old |
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| 18:41.21 | curtmack | and not currently hooked up |
| 18:41.32 | Lagbolt | so no /dev? what are you on now? |
| 18:41.38 | curtmack | I just went into the directory listing I made of it to verify the lack of /dev |
| 18:41.48 | curtmack | right now I'm on ANOTHER hard drive I had tried to transfer it to before |
| 18:41.56 | curtmack | this one boots, but has numerous issues |
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| 18:43.35 | Graveworm | Hi! It seems that my debian lenny or maybe samba is ignoring my file settings. I've set up some restrictions via acls but the group of users that should have no read permissions are able to see and download files with the windows explorer... Dunno why? |
| 18:44.11 | Lagbolt | i see, pretty sure /dev/ needs to exist. |
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| 18:45.26 | curtmack | Graveworm: Seeing files is related to the directory permissions, not file permissions. But I don't know why they can download them if they have no read permissions. |
| 18:45.36 | curtmack | Then again, I don't know how samba works, so I'm not exactly qualified |
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| 18:48.46 | John0Neil | Lagbolt: Device|/dev/hda1 Boot|* Start|1 End|4863 Blocks|39062016 Id|7 System|HPFS/NTFS |
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| 18:49.31 | Lagbolt | John0Neil, and if you "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt" |
| 18:49.39 | Lagbolt | does it mount? |
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| 18:50.15 | Graveworm | curtmack: Ok. Thx anyway. |
| 18:50.45 | John0Neil | Lagbolt, yes but nothing on it |
| 18:50.55 | John0Neil | completly blanc |
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| 18:51.15 | Lagbolt | hmm, what happened before this occurance? where you using ntfs-3g |
| 18:51.29 | Lagbolt | i have heard stories about it wiping files from a drive |
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| 18:55.33 | MrWax | For some reason I think, postfix isn't delivering mail that is sent, when I try to receive mail with mutt through courier-imap |
| 18:55.36 | MrWax | what are ways I can analyse this? |
| 18:56.48 | Lagbolt | John0Neil, http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html#locale3 <-- does this help? |
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| 18:58.20 | WorldBFree | im getting a samba share speed of 2MB/s. seems a bit slow. one computer is connected via lan. the other is connected wireless to the same home network at 54g speed. im using samba sharing in konquerer |
| 18:58.35 | WorldBFree | theres only two computers on this network |
| 18:58.49 | Lagbolt | i get about 2MB/s over 54g . . . i think thats pretty standard |
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| 19:01.42 | n3kl | Lagbolt: I get about the same, but shouldn't it be closer to like 7M/s? |
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| 19:02.15 | WorldBFree | thats only in theory |
| 19:02.30 | WorldBFree | mix of devices, bottlenecks, driver issues |
| 19:02.44 | shyam_k | how much meaning full is the user privilage options at system->administration- |
| 19:02.57 | shyam_k | ops sorry for the above ill re type it.. |
| 19:04.15 | MaximusBrood | I'm trying to setup rssh to only allow scp in a chroot jail. I've setup the jail, with the mode of rssh_chroot_helper being 4550 and owned by root:rsshusers. When I try to copy a file from outside it fails, leaving this in my syslog: "rssh_chroot_helper[13478]: chroot() failed, 1: Operation not permitted". I have no idea what is happening here, even less idea on how to fix it. Can anybody help me? |
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| 19:13.20 | John0Neil | Lagbolt, no this don't work either |
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| 19:15.00 | shyam_k | whats the standarad way to avoid asking passwords(its good especially in a standalone home system).. |
| 19:16.02 | shyam_k | i mean those things like synaptic and all asking for pasword everytime.. |
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| 19:16.28 | D1EG0 | hi to all |
| 19:16.53 | shyam_k | D1EG0: hi |
| 19:17.23 | D1EG0 | when I try to enter in a win shared folder with smb client it give me error protocol died unexpectedly |
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| 19:18.11 | D1EG0 | anybody can tell me something? |
| 19:18.26 | Lagbolt | John0Neil, can you try it in a windows machine? |
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| 19:19.18 | massmc_ | test test |
| 19:19.35 | Lagbolt | n3kl, theoretically 54g should be something like that 6-7mb/s but i dont know anyone who gets even close. i have heard 2.5MB/s |
| 19:19.41 | cjs_ | has anyone had issues with a missing Python.h file? I can't seem to find the package that provides it. |
| 19:19.49 | cjs_ | oh nm |
| 19:19.58 | John0Neil | Lagbolt, no. It is a uncomon netbook hard drive plug. Maybe because it is a compaq. |
| 19:20.19 | John0Neil | Lagbolt, In explorer I can see Free Space and Space Used. But no files.. damn |
| 19:20.45 | Lagbolt | John0Neil, you can see space used? wow that doesnt sound good. there is ntfsfix in ntfsprogs package you could try |
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| 19:21.08 | Lagbolt | John0Neil, i have had good luck with 3g as with some othe rpeople i know but also heard some people talk about magically deleted files |
| 19:21.42 | dante_2core | DimmuR, you need to be more verbose to get accurate help |
| 19:21.47 | John0Neil | Lagbolt, the drive was not working before anyway |
| 19:21.52 | dante_2core | DimmuR, sry, wrong tabcomp. |
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| 19:22.09 | dante_2core | D1EG0, you need to be more verbose to get accurate help here, i.e. pastebin the error etc |
| 19:22.12 | John0Neil | Lagbolt, I can only see the file using a particular program called Active Partition Recovery, bootable, with no way to copy them |
| 19:22.27 | dante_2core | n3kl, I get 2.5MB/s about with 54g |
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| 19:22.48 | dante_2core | well, I got that weirdo superg+ thingy that's supposed to make it faster, gotta see how it is with that turned on |
| 19:23.54 | Lagbolt | i think the 54G speed is talking about the speed of the router/device but when it goes wireless other factors come into play |
| 19:24.05 | D1EG0 | ok...now I must go |
| 19:24.08 | lem0n | speedbooster crap, means nothing |
| 19:24.08 | D1EG0 | see you next time |
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| 19:24.11 | lem0n | thats just marketing bullshit |
| 19:24.15 | lem0n | if you all didnt realise :P |
| 19:24.33 | lem0n | if its wireless g, its wireless g |
| 19:24.38 | lem0n | and if its 10/100, its 10/100 |
| 19:24.42 | lem0n | thats just marketing tricks. |
| 19:24.44 | NeonLightning | lem0n: me thinks someone is slightly bitter |
| 19:24.52 | lem0n | bitter? not at all |
| 19:24.58 | lem0n | i just happened to be talking about the same issue a second ago lol |
| 19:25.00 | dante_2core | lem0n, I did, I just wondered what the actual legitimation is |
| 19:25.08 | lem0n | i could care less what you all spend your money on, why would i be bitter about it :P |
| 19:25.27 | lem0n | but its just an fyi, i wouldnt do it if i were you, no advantage to it, just buy a normal linksys router. |
| 19:25.28 | NeonLightning | lol i'm running a 30$ router and a 13$ wifi card lol |
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| 19:25.46 | lem0n | yeah, dante_2core |
| 19:25.46 | dante_2core | afk, call me |
| 19:25.48 | dante_2core | lem0n, well, I bought a good router coz I wanted a good one, and that had that thingy inside, I didn't really care, had it turned off till recently |
| 19:25.55 | dante_2core | sry autoreply |
| 19:25.56 | lem0n | hehe |
| 19:26.04 | lem0n | pretty much just to get people to buy it afaik. |
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| 19:27.07 | dante_2core | lem0n, well... if I want speed, I plug a cable. the router is in my room - I happen to not be able to move out yet due to money constraints (still going to school, next year'll be university) |
| 19:27.20 | lem0n | :) |
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| 19:27.40 | xingu | WorldBFree: if you're using cifs and reasonably large rsize it's probably down to protocol; cifs rapidly becomes symmetric to rtt and 802.11g has abysmal rtt for large framelengths |
| 19:27.44 | dante_2core | but as I pull the strings IT-wise in the house, it's all managed in my tiny little room :) |
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| 19:27.53 | NeonLightning | dante_2core: make the most of it dude moving out was one of the things that hurt my chances of finishing all my schooling more then anything |
| 19:28.05 | dante_2core | NeonLightning, I won't move out as quickly |
| 19:28.18 | NeonLightning | had kids so kinda had to move to a bigger place |
| 19:28.26 | MrWax | Hmm, when mailing with mutt, I see that there is no From: set, anyone knows what could be wrong? |
| 19:28.50 | dante_2core | I'll stay here for a while. I prefer spending my free time coding things and not working to pay a rent |
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| 19:29.12 | dante_2core | I'd need a truck to move all my computer stuff to the new flat, anyway xD |
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| 19:29.28 | NeonLightning | dante_2core: i did it took two trucks just for my stuff lol |
| 19:29.32 | lem0n | i have a 42u cabinet in my basement i dont think will ever be able to come out :P |
| 19:29.49 | lem0n | theres like, ||||||||||||| that much room from the top of the rack to the ceiling. |
| 19:30.02 | lem0n | and we had to put it in between the rafters sort of at an angle to get it in |
| 19:30.08 | lem0n | so if the basement is ever finished it cant come out. |
| 19:30.11 | lem0n | not to mention its like 500lbs. |
| 19:30.12 | dante_2core | my room is like... 10 feet times 8 feet in area, most of which is a bed. |
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| 19:30.42 | NeonLightning | dante_2core: 8x8 with bed tv stand armaur bookshelf and computer desk |
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| 19:31.03 | lem0n | http://home.fadedtrust.net/P3030157.JPG <- my room |
| 19:31.12 | lem0n | theres a 1U and 3U server under the desk, my bed, and a shelf |
| 19:31.13 | lem0n | and thats it :o |
| 19:31.15 | jelly | lem0n: step 1) disconnect and get all the hardware out. now you're at 200-300lbs. |
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| 19:31.20 | NeonLightning | don't feel like opening links right now to check it out |
| 19:31.23 | lem0n | jelly: i mean before that. |
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| 19:31.27 | lem0n | while taken fully apart. |
| 19:31.32 | lem0n | it took like 8 men to carry it. |
| 19:31.37 | jelly | hmph |
| 19:31.38 | lem0n | then we had to reassemble it |
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| 19:31.46 | lem0n | its literally ... i cant even explain it |
| 19:31.50 | lem0n | i couldnt move it a centimeter if i wantexd |
| 19:31.54 | dante_2core | ^^ |
| 19:31.56 | lem0n | it has wheels though thankfully. |
| 19:32.00 | jelly | lem0n: it's _stable_ |
| 19:32.02 | enouf | a cast iron bath tub? |
| 19:32.03 | lem0n | lol |
| 19:32.04 | lem0n | true |
| 19:32.06 | dante_2core | that stacked router looks good XD |
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| 19:32.14 | lem0n | hehe dante_2core |
| 19:32.16 | dante_2core | gotta take new pics of my room sometime. |
| 19:32.22 | lem0n | i have 2 cisco 2620 routers on the way here right now. |
| 19:32.22 | dante_2core | maybe I got some ... lemme check. |
| 19:32.25 | lem0n | and a new switch. |
| 19:32.26 | Matic`Makovec | topic |
| 19:32.29 | Matic`Makovec | Argh, pardon me |
| 19:32.31 | lem0n | so ill be doing something with this stuff |
| 19:32.31 | snot | I'm installing a server with 6 gb of ram... what size should my swap partition be? |
| 19:32.43 | dante_2core | snot, do you want to suspend/hibernate it? |
| 19:32.54 | snot | dante_2core: nope, it's a server :) |
| 19:33.00 | dante_2core | snot, kinda thought so |
| 19:33.05 | lem0n | http://home.fadedtrust.net/cabinet1.jpg <- theres the cabinet, before i cleaned it and stuff. |
| 19:33.10 | lem0n | oh |
| 19:33.12 | jelly | snot: what are you goiung to run on it |
| 19:33.12 | dante_2core | I don't know what you use swap for if you're not hibernating |
| 19:33.19 | lem0n | http://home.fadedtrust.net/liebert/cabinet1.jpg * |
| 19:33.47 | snot | jelly: vmware, apache, nfs... all sorts of crap, it's my personal server |
| 19:34.36 | jelly | snot: ok then. oracle wants 1.5 times the RAM size, I think. Read vmware's docs for that, I guess |
| 19:34.38 | snot | dante_2core: me neither, I just thought I run it by you guys before going a head |
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| 19:35.01 | dante_2core | snot, :D good idea. |
| 19:35.05 | snot | jelly: good idea, vmware will be a major part of my doings |
| 19:35.16 | snot | jelly, dante_2core thanks for the advice, take care :) |
| 19:35.37 | enouf | just make and use a swap file |
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| 19:35.50 | shyam_k | i just wanted to confirm this.. in lenny, trying out new screen resolution is no longer possible with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and everyone have to edit xorg.conf instead? |
| 19:35.53 | enouf | that way, if you get it wrong, you can easily redo it |
| 19:36.22 | jelly | shyam_k: you can add a modeline, and test it, on the fly with xrandr |
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| 19:36.54 | jelly | shyam_k: you can also change between available resolutions using that tool |
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| 19:39.14 | shyam_k | jelly: thanks! i just wanted something thats "easier" than editing a conf file.. i have a non-techie group without direct techie access.. |
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| 19:40.14 | jelly | shyam_k: eh; xrandr isn't much better than editing xorg.conf if you have to add new modes, but at least you don't have to restart X every time |
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| 19:40.51 | n3kl | Since postfix-tls is a virtual package, if I install it, what will happen since I already have postfix installed? |
| 19:41.03 | shyam_k | ic.. i was checking xrandr..and still finishing the manpage.. i would try it now.. |
| 19:41.44 | jelly | n3kl: "postfix" package _is_ the one providing postfix-tls |
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| 19:43.23 | n3kl | jelly: so why are there two of them? |
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| 19:43.43 | jelly | n3kl: there aren't |
| 19:43.48 | n3kl | jelly: also, what this means is that the postfix package does support tls, right? |
| 19:43.56 | jelly | n3kl: right |
| 19:44.09 | magyar_ | what is a file in / named .rnd ? |
| 19:44.27 | n3kl | jelly: so why does the virtual package postifx-tls even exist? Backwards compatibility of some kind? |
| 19:45.05 | unixSnob | wonders why he's getting this error: W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.easynet.be etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.easynet.be_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 19:45.18 | jelly | n3kl: yes. most likely, at some point in the past there were two distinct packages |
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| 19:45.32 | n3kl | jelly: thanks |
| 19:45.40 | dante_2core | lem0n, http://www.flickr.com/photos/21045708@N08/2803233289/ <- my desk some time ago, now it's a new notebook and one of the keyboard's gone as I now have all screens hooked to two graphics cards in the desk |
| 19:46.01 | unixSnob | the relevant sources.list line is: "deb ftp://ftp.easynet.be/debian etch main contrib non-free" <= anything wrong with that? |
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| 19:47.43 | shyam_k | dante_2core: how would you manage that with two hands! |
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| 19:48.08 | dante_2core | shyam_k, it's now only one keyboard and a trackball for the three screens, the notebook is only there for syncing stuff |
| 19:48.14 | NeonLightning | wants a kvm switch that supports vga ps2 and usb |
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| 19:48.55 | shyam_k | dante_2core: great! |
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| 19:49.02 | dante_2core | shyam_k, and at the times I still used one screen with the notebook, that was some xserver networking magic :) |
| 19:49.34 | Lagbolt | magic eh |
| 19:49.36 | dante_2core | the thing tons of screen space are most useful for is... writing code, especially bigger projects |
| 19:49.40 | Lagbolt | abrah cadabrah vnc? |
| 19:49.49 | dante_2core | Lagbolt, no magic, I admit. rather RTFM |
| 19:49.55 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 19:49.55 | NeonLightning | dante_2core: trust me multimedia creation is much easier with it aswell |
| 19:50.03 | dante_2core | Lagbolt, no, DISPLAY=ip:0.0 <cmd> magic :P |
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| 19:50.09 | Lagbolt | ah nice |
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| 19:50.25 | dante_2core | I had binds for programs to spawn on the notebook screen or on the main screens |
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| 19:50.28 | Lagbolt | i dont know how people have one monitor. i am jealous of 3! i only work with 2 and i want more |
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| 19:50.47 | dante_2core | but then I got my second graphics card, I just hooked all up to the main desk. |
| 19:51.04 | dante_2core | well, those screens came over the years, it's not like I'm really rich or something. just... never sold any :P |
| 19:51.47 | dante_2core | NeonLightning, well, as you see on my photostream, I primarily use shell utils, not much gui software. |
| 19:51.51 | Lagbolt | my desk isnt big enough. i would have to buy another desk if i want to add more screenage |
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| 19:52.15 | Lagbolt | we have some people here with 26 inch monitors. would be cool if you could set them up to think they are dual screens so you could maximize to half |
| 19:52.15 | NeonLightning | dante_2core: not really any good multimedia music photo or video wise that are cli |
| 19:52.24 | dante_2core | same here. though I am quite happy atm. I can use them all, or only the one in the middle for SLI gaming :P |
| 19:52.48 | dante_2core | NeonLightning, I don't know any, enlighten me? :D |
| 19:53.00 | NeonLightning | exactly |
| 19:53.03 | dante_2core | Lagbolt, tiling window managers can do that job too |
| 19:53.11 | Lagbolt | true |
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| 19:53.19 | dante_2core | I use ion on those 3 |
| 19:53.20 | datacrusher | hi folks, iv downloaded and installed debian 4, but im curious about whats on the other 2 dvds |
| 19:53.30 | Lagbolt | datacrusher, lots of packages |
| 19:53.31 | dante_2core | datacrusher, more software that is optional |
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| 19:53.51 | datacrusher | i can download them from the apt-get? |
| 19:53.57 | Lagbolt | datacrusher, yes |
| 19:53.59 | dante_2core | datacrusher, yes. |
| 19:54.00 | dante_2core | lawl |
| 19:54.05 | dante_2core | i'll stfu now. brb, gettin' coffee. |
| 19:54.23 | datacrusher | ok. ill just keep the 1st dvd then... debian its the best... im fighting with ubuntu to make a file server for about 2 weeks |
| 19:54.30 | datacrusher | debian i got it running today |
| 19:54.32 | datacrusher | :) |
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| 19:58.05 | newsense | datacrusher: what ya using nfs ? |
| 19:58.38 | NeonLightning | anyone know if there is a way with irssi to make it not show joins quits parts? |
| 19:59.20 | cahoot | NeonLightning: try /ignore joins parts quits |
| 19:59.21 | dante_2core | NeonLightning, well... there's a setting, fiddled with that sometime too |
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| 19:59.33 | cahoot | NeonLightning: try /ignore joins parts quits #channel |
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| 20:00.20 | NeonLightning | nope just ignores ALL from user joins |
| 20:00.24 | Quibus | Hi, is there a problem with p.d.o? |
| 20:00.29 | abrotman | NeonLightning: it's on their website .. /ignore JOINS PARTS QUITS |
| 20:00.30 | Quibus | It's extremely slow |
| 20:00.36 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:00.38 | dante_2core | pdo? |
| 20:00.45 | abrotman | Quibus: been that way for a few days |
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| 20:01.12 | Quibus | abrotman: is someone looking at it? Or are we hoping that it will go away by itself ;-) |
| 20:01.19 | abrotman | NeonLightning: erm .. /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS |
| 20:01.24 | abrotman | Quibus: not my job! |
| 20:01.39 | abrotman | Quibus: one would assume they know and are looking into it |
| 20:01.51 | NeonLightning | abrotman: that one seems to be working |
| 20:01.53 | Quibus | abrotman: k |
| 20:01.53 | dante_2core | oh. packages.debian.org. |
| 20:02.02 | newsense | abrotman: i want to setup a file server, what protocol do you recommend ? |
| 20:02.20 | NeonLightning | scp :) |
| 20:02.22 | abrotman | depends on the clients |
| 20:02.30 | dante_2core | remote or local depends too, doesn't it? |
| 20:02.30 | abrotman | NeonLightning: sorry .. forgot that channel bit :) |
| 20:02.37 | NeonLightning | :P |
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| 20:02.42 | NeonLightning | we all have our off days :P |
| 20:02.47 | newsense | local all clients will run linux(debian) |
| 20:02.47 | abrotman | newsense: if it's a mixed environment .. probably samba/cifs |
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| 20:02.57 | path_ | is there any debian bug day? |
| 20:02.59 | abrotman | then perhaps NFS if you want to have some fun |
| 20:03.02 | abrotman | path_: yes |
| 20:03.04 | abrotman | !bsp |
| 20:03.05 | dpkg | well, bsp is bug squashing party, in #debian-bugs |
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| 20:03.29 | dante_2core | goes and joins #debian-bugs |
| 20:03.38 | newsense | abrotman, just a lan with about 3 debian clients, still nfs ? |
| 20:03.38 | abrotman | dante_2core: i think that's on OFTC |
| 20:03.48 | dante_2core | abrotman, I see. thanks |
| 20:03.48 | abrotman | newsense: whichever you choose .. nfs and samba would both work |
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| 20:04.00 | NeonLightning | abrotman: seems all the best stuff is on oftc these days |
| 20:04.02 | dante_2core | there's one here too, but only 4 users. |
| 20:04.05 | abrotman | !fish dan2 |
| 20:04.05 | dpkg | slaps dan2 around with a large trout |
| 20:04.07 | abrotman | :( |
| 20:04.10 | path_ | ahaha |
| 20:04.14 | newsense | abrotman: thanks, was debating between those and ftp |
| 20:04.21 | abrotman | newsense: i hope you mean ftpfs |
| 20:04.31 | newsense | yes |
| 20:04.35 | path_ | abrotman, but when is it? |
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| 20:04.45 | Quibus | see you later |
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| 20:04.49 | newsense | more difficult id think though but never used it |
| 20:04.55 | dante_2core | I use samba, but will switch to nfs sometime. pure interest in nfs, never worked with it |
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| 20:05.08 | x86 | ok, I had to unmount my NFS shares when I did apt-get upgrade, now I can't get them mounted again! |
| 20:05.11 | x86 | Aug 27 15:02:42 rpc-ltsp-peo-01 rpc.statd[9020]: unable to register (statd, 1, udp). |
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| 20:05.18 | x86 | (running lenny on i386) |
| 20:05.27 | path_ | never mind I found it on the wiki abrotman :D |
| 20:05.36 | x86 | I've restarted both portmap and nfs-common, any ideas how I can fix this? |
| 20:05.38 | datacrusher | newsense: no SMB |
| 20:05.53 | dante_2core | x86, any more logmessages/errors? |
| 20:05.59 | datacrusher | now i just gotta make a backup script, and im done |
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| 20:06.15 | newsense | im going to use nfs |
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| 20:06.22 | x86 | dante_2core: no :( |
| 20:06.32 | dante_2core | x86, and you googled the error? |
| 20:06.45 | x86 | dante_2core: it said udp failed, so I tried changing it to tcp in fstab to see if that would solve anything... no dice |
| 20:06.48 | dan2 | abrotman: something wrong? |
| 20:06.55 | datacrusher | actually, i dont know the differences between both |
| 20:06.57 | webPragmatist | how can i find out if I am vulnerable to this http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 |
| 20:07.08 | datacrusher | why u will use nfs? something in particular? |
| 20:07.25 | dante_2core | x86, don't know much about nfs, sorry... make sure everything's restarted and the network interfaces are fine. the others can help you more than I can I think... |
| 20:07.48 | abrotman | dan2: nah |
| 20:07.54 | abrotman | path_: there are numerous |
| 20:08.00 | webPragmatist | I did a find -name 'libssl*' and there is a apt cache of libssl0.9.8_0.9.8c-4etch3_i386.deb |
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| 20:08.59 | path_ | abrotman, but is there any specific date for such event ? |
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| 20:09.39 | path_ | for what I'm reading it doesnt seems so |
| 20:09.55 | danielig | hola, I want to create a user with the name web-manager that can read and write files only as www-data:www-data how do I accomplish that? |
| 20:10.11 | danielig | with umask? |
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| 20:10.35 | abrotman | path_: nah not really .. some times they'll try to coordinate many geographic locations on a single date .. but not really |
| 20:10.50 | abrotman | path_: any one can have one whenever they want .. you could have one *right now* |
| 20:10.55 | SamuraiDio | i can't install, upgrade or even remove a package, http://pastebin.com/d3939eb73 can someone help me? |
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| 20:11.25 | path_ | abrotman, thanks! I appreciate your help :-) |
| 20:11.51 | fixUp | After upgrading lenny to kernel 2.6.25 my sound has stopped working with ALSA |
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| 20:12.18 | fixUp | I'm running a Thinkpad T22 with a Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24/30 chipset |
| 20:12.28 | SamuraiDio | fixUp, upgrade alsa modules |
| 20:12.36 | SamuraiDio | fixUp, m-a a-i alsa |
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| 20:12.52 | dante_2core | fixUp, tried running alsaconf? |
| 20:13.05 | fixUp | I remember reading somewhere about Debian removing the firmware for this chipset due to licence problems... |
| 20:13.12 | path_ | SamuraiDio, aptitude purge drmngr ? |
| 20:13.33 | path_ | s/drmngr/dirmngr |
| 20:13.33 | fixUp | SamuraiDio, dante_2core: have upgraded alsa and run alsaconf several times now |
| 20:14.09 | dante_2core | fixUp, still no sound? my thinkpad is mute until I hit the sound on button on the upper edge of the keyboard |
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| 20:14.31 | x86 | oops closed the window |
| 20:14.43 | path_ | any thinkpad user using debian? it might enjoy this http://tinyurl.com/59ot47 :] |
| 20:14.43 | x86 | ok, so I rebooted, and i still can not mount any NFS shares |
| 20:15.03 | dante_2core | path_, yes, me. |
| 20:15.27 | fixUp | dante_2core: the card isnt recognised |
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| 20:15.44 | fixUp | dante_2core: it works perfectly if i boot into 2.6.18 |
| 20:15.55 | dante_2core | fixUp, then your modules are not right for the sound stuff. |
| 20:17.03 | fixUp | dante_2core: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=152081&sid=71ee51f7cee91e7ac68e0b8d4c432b75 |
| 20:17.23 | x86 | Starting NFS common utilities: statd failed! |
| 20:17.50 | datacrusher | hm... too many difused results |
| 20:18.08 | datacrusher | whats the pratical difference between nfs and smb? cant quite found a clear definition |
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| 20:18.32 | SamuraiDio | path_, its a dpkg error, neither apt-get or aptitude can remove it |
| 20:18.50 | x86 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=712874 <-- the last post there is where I'm at :( |
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| 20:19.27 | SamuraiDio | http://pastebin.com/d5094aba |
| 20:19.52 | xingu | x86: does rpcinfo -p return any output? |
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| 20:20.32 | x86 | xingu: hold one, I'm upgrading nfs-common (and friends) |
| 20:21.27 | dante_2core | fixUp, and you followed the last thing mentioned? that's what I'd suggest |
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| 20:21.59 | x86 | xingu: apt-get -t stable install nfs-common #seemed to fixed it |
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| 20:22.56 | fixUp | dante_2core: no not yet, I was hoping to find and easier way... oh well looks like I'll keep running 2.6.18 for now |
| 20:24.45 | fixUp | dante_2core: did you say you had a Thinkpad ? |
| 20:24.45 | SamuraiDio | how can i fix this: http://pastebin.com/d5094aba ? |
| 20:25.29 | dante_2core | fixUp, yes. |
| 20:25.34 | dante_2core | x61 tablet |
| 20:25.54 | fixUp | dante_2core: ah ok, must have a different audio chipset I suppose |
| 20:26.21 | cbr1 | ? |
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| 20:26.39 | n3kl | How could I backup my mysql databases, one backup for each database without knowing the databases in advance. So instead of mysqldump --all-databases > file.sql, have one .sql for each database. |
| 20:26.45 | dante_2core | fixUp, intel HD audio, worked out the box. well, out the box - I have a custom kernel anyway. |
| 20:27.57 | fixUp | dante_2core: I'll probably get round to compiling one eventually, but one of the reasons I moved from gentoo was that in Debian everything "just worked" |
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| 20:28.17 | asdzxc | hi |
| 20:28.33 | dante_2core | fixUp, well in debian not everything just works. firstly. secondly, debian is easier to use than gentoo I'd say. |
| 20:28.34 | asdzxc | why was mod_cband remove from Debian experimental ? |
| 20:28.43 | asdzxc | can i find a reason somewhere ? |
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| 20:28.53 | asdzxc | it was included in Sarge and Etch |
| 20:28.55 | dante_2core | fixUp, you'll prolly not get to a distro that gets _everything_ done out the box anyway |
| 20:28.57 | fixUp | dante_2core: don't get me wrong I love Debian but sometimes I find the whole licence issue a bit over the top IMHO |
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| 20:29.14 | rwaite | dante_2core, for me it pretty much is. only wireless gives me significant difficulties. |
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| 20:29.29 | fixUp | dante_2core: well maybe ubuntu ;) nah, but I think you're right |
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| 20:29.45 | rwaite | slackware :) |
| 20:29.49 | dante_2core | rwaite, well, I can't say much, I install debian and make stuff work rapidly as I'm slowly getting a bit more experienced. |
| 20:30.21 | NeonLightning | yea i tried ubuntu wasn't big on it but it was good enough to still promote it to newbs but i prefer debian |
| 20:30.26 | dante_2core | as far as most thigns go, I quickly get them to work, except things like winmodems or weird hardware. |
| 20:30.40 | rwaite | winmodems aren't worth the trouble |
| 20:30.53 | NeonLightning | dante_2core: wanna ssh in and make directfb work right :P |
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| 20:31.19 | rwaite | and i'm of the opinion now that if you run linux, research the hardware first. if it is supported great, otherwise, the company doesn't need my business |
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| 20:31.32 | dante_2core | NeonLightning, uhm, well... the mplayer thingy? or just framebuffer? my framebuffers on intel and nvidia work well |
| 20:31.34 | fixUp | NeonLightning: me too, Ubuntu is essentially debian with some eyecandy and non-free stuff installed in a nice wrapper |
| 20:31.44 | NeonLightning | rwaite: i still can't give up ati for some reason i like them |
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| 20:32.12 | NeonLightning | fixUp: idk i found it had some programs for configuring it that needed to be gnome or whatever |
| 20:32.17 | dante_2core | NeonLightning, I switched to nvidia years ago when they were superior in terms of linux stuff, today AMD is OSS so my next card'll be an ATI i suppose. |
| 20:32.55 | fixUp | I think if you have a desktop its much easier |
| 20:32.59 | NeonLightning | dante_2core: but i'm running an older ati card radeon 9250 the newest card not supported in the flgx(or whatever) drivers |
| 20:33.01 | zinx | dante_2core: ATI's not OSS fet |
| 20:33.05 | zinx | erh, yet |
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| 20:33.12 | fixUp | you can always toss a soundcard or whatever and slap in a new one |
| 20:33.13 | rahsputin | i have been reading this page http://kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/pcmcia/howto.html and in section 2.2 it speaks of "resource database" what does that mean ? |
| 20:33.18 | dante_2core | zinx, the drivers are, afaik - the hardware's not |
| 20:33.25 | zinx | dante_2core: no, the 3d drivers are not for modern cards |
| 20:33.34 | NeonLightning | zinx: they have admitted they can't untill their shareholders change views due to the drm part of the code beeing in everything |
| 20:33.36 | rwaite | didn't they open them |
| 20:33.37 | rpetre | i have a small annoyance with the "check for updates" gnome applet (forgot its exact name), it keeps mentioning 7 pending updates, although no package manager shows anything, and i have no packages on hold. Any idea where it keeps its cache? |
| 20:33.41 | fixUp | on a laptop its much more difficult you're lumbered with what you've got |
| 20:33.42 | dante_2core | zinx, ... alright. well, my 8800GTX SLI config will hold up for some time anyway :P |
| 20:34.06 | rwaite | not if you research before you buy your laptop |
| 20:34.08 | dante_2core | fixUp, well, thinkpads work well in general, with thinkwiki and all |
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| 20:34.41 | dante_2core | got most things to work on mine within two days, modem doesn't work yet. |
| 20:34.41 | rwaite | im lucky with mine as the only thing that really doesn't work is the led lights for the volume mute button |
| 20:34.41 | fixUp | rwaite: The problem was this card was supported for over 7 years, but suddenly it's not any longer.... |
| 20:34.53 | rwaite | fixUp, hmm. yeah that sucks. |
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| 20:35.03 | rwaite | i mean it'll never be perfect |
| 20:35.08 | rwaite | but for me it works :) |
| 20:35.24 | NeonLightning | fixUp: similar problem here to get mine working right i'll need to downgrade xorg to version 7.1 and then its if i'm lucky the last working xorg was 6.8 |
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| 20:36.03 | rwaite | that and hibernate is always flaky for me. but eh. i can shutdown and restart this system half as much time as vista took |
| 20:36.23 | rwaite | .. to resume from hibernation |
| 20:36.26 | dante_2core | rwaite, well... suspend does not work at all here. system doesn't come back. |
| 20:36.45 | rahsputin | hello .. i have been reading this page http://kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/pcmcia/howto.html and in section 2.2 it speaks of "resource database" what does that mean ? |
| 20:36.58 | rwaite | yeah |
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| 20:39.19 | NeonLightning | huh? |
| 20:39.23 | NeonLightning | sry mt |
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| 20:40.42 | dante_2core | rahsputin, I'd just skip that step and hope all works out |
| 20:40.47 | pozic | Is there a program that takes the output of ldd and maps that to debian packages that are installed then? |
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| 20:41.55 | abrotman | pozic: shell scripting and apt-file ? |
| 20:42.36 | rahsputin | dante_2core hmm |
| 20:42.41 | xerph | any way to cut httpd/php/sql ram usage to a minimum? |
| 20:42.55 | dante_2core | rahsputin, what chipset thingy is it? do you even need such a database? |
| 20:42.59 | pozic | abrotman: I was asking whether something like that existed already. Thanks, anyway. |
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| 20:43.25 | JordiGH | How long has swfdec been in Debian? It totally pwns gnash. |
| 20:44.20 | rahsputin | dante_2core lucent orinoco hermes I |
| 20:44.49 | dante_2core | rahsputin, no idea, google up what that means in that list, sorry ~ |
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| 20:46.29 | jester45 | xerph, are you using apache? try lighttpd or some other smaller/faster httpd |
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| 20:48.10 | xerph | jester45, currently running lighttpd,php5+sqlmodule,mysql - 138 total ram usage on a fresh install, is that normal? |
| 20:48.23 | NeonLightning | seems a bit high to me |
| 20:48.57 | xerph | well i remember having all that on centos running on 50-60 ram, if my mind isn't joking |
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| 20:49.11 | NeonLightning | i could believe it |
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| 20:49.37 | scott_ | my keyboard repeeeate rate is too high, it was fine in the installer buut noww it's too sennnsssiitive |
| 20:49.38 | jester45 | xerph, mine uses a bit less try removing uneeded modules from lighttpd and lowing the number of mysqls open |
| 20:49.49 | scott_ | i cnaq't boot innto xoorg eiither buut im trying ot get myy keeyboardd better |
| 20:49.58 | jester45 | if your not using a lot of database functions if you are leave it up |
| 20:50.11 | xerph | jester45, k ill try to tweak it a bit |
| 20:50.22 | scott_ | i have to ttyeppp reeeally ffaast too make iit not reppeat letters |
| 20:50.27 | scott_ | but it's still hard to type commands |
| 20:50.41 | NeonLightning | xerph: but aslong as its not using all your ram and swap its not a big deal unless its also using way too many cpu cycles |
| 20:50.48 | jester45 | xerph, there is a smaller alternative to lighttpd but most of its docs are in german and i cant remember the name |
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| 20:52.20 | xerph | maybe i should try lxadmin-hostinabox once more .. |
| 20:52.28 | scott_ | so nnoooo oonnnnee knnowss aabouut keeyboard repeeeeat rate |
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| 20:52.46 | n08l3J | Hello debian folks |
| 20:53.03 | n08l3J | I just installed debian, but mine is keep hanging on |
| 20:53.09 | Tramp | scott_: man kbdrate |
| 20:53.12 | n08l3J | "Starting hardware abstraction layer: hald " |
| 20:53.24 | n08l3J | any ideas on how to solve this problem ? |
| 20:53.42 | scott_ | thanks Tramp i've beenn looking for hours for thhe command |
| 20:54.00 | Tramp | scott_: yw |
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| 20:54.29 | n08l3J | I am using the latest debian version |
| 20:54.32 | scott_ | so much better now |
| 20:54.35 | n08l3J | i just downloaded from the site |
| 20:54.36 | scott_ | it was set at 200msec |
| 20:54.37 | n08l3J | any help ? |
| 20:54.41 | scott_ | that's way too fast for this keyboard |
| 20:55.42 | scott_ | now how do i make sure that setting keeps? |
| 20:55.46 | scott_ | so it doesn't go back to 200msec |
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| 20:57.37 | Tramp | scott_: explicitely set in /etc/console-tools/config |
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| 20:58.40 | scott_ | perfect |
| 20:58.44 | scott_ | thanks! |
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| 21:01.16 | lewis2 | I have one network adapter with several virtual IP addresses. How does SSH on debian decide which IP to use when connecting 'out'? |
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| 21:01.29 | scott_ | subnets |
| 21:01.34 | scott_ | ? |
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| 21:02.21 | TiMiDo | hey how do i bring up my wlan0 so i can connect wireless? |
| 21:02.44 | amphi | TiMiDo: ifconfig, iwconfig |
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| 21:02.57 | n08l3J | anyone knows is there any problem with hal on the newest release ? |
| 21:03.08 | n08l3J | my system keep freezing on that |
| 21:03.11 | n08l3J | "Starting hardware abstraction layer: hald " |
| 21:03.18 | TiMiDo | amphi, yeah but to bring it up though |
| 21:03.34 | amphi | ifconfig <iface> up |
| 21:03.49 | TiMiDo | but to connect to a wireless? connection with the key |
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| 21:04.23 | amphi | iwconfig |
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| 21:04.38 | amphi | or wpa_supplicant, if you use wpa |
| 21:04.40 | TiMiDo | okey iwconfig and the key |
| 21:04.40 | TiMiDo | ? |
| 21:04.46 | TiMiDo | how do i put the key? |
| 21:04.51 | amphi | man iwconfig |
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| 21:06.23 | TiMiDo | iwconfig essid 2WiRE675 key 3055521207 |
| 21:06.26 | TiMiDo | is that wrong? |
| 21:06.33 | Jabka | how can i genrate deb changelog entry from svn comment ? |
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| 21:08.01 | pozic | TiMiDo: you are supposed to keep that a secret. |
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| 21:08.15 | scott_ | TiMiDo: try 0x infront of the key |
| 21:08.27 | TiMiDo | ? |
| 21:08.34 | TiMiDo | pozic, that's not the password just making an example |
| 21:09.00 | pozic | TiMiDo: 0x is hex notation. |
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| 21:09.11 | Zharf | ox is an ox |
| 21:09.11 | TiMiDo | so how do i connect ? |
| 21:09.13 | TiMiDo | is wep |
| 21:09.29 | TiMiDo | iwconfig: unknown command "2WiRE675" |
| 21:09.36 | amphi | TiMiDo: you can also set up /etc/network/interfaces to do this |
| 21:09.51 | TiMiDo | amphi, i do not need to |
| 21:09.55 | TiMiDo | just want to bring up the interface |
| 21:10.02 | TiMiDo | that's why i have wicd |
| 21:10.13 | Lagbolt | iwconfig wlan0 essid 2WiRE675 key 3055521207 |
| 21:10.24 | Lagbolt | or what ever your interface is |
| 21:10.27 | Lagbolt | you need to have that as well |
| 21:10.28 | TiMiDo | okey |
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| 21:10.33 | amphi | TiMiDo: so use ifconfig to set the essid and key, it should then associate, and you can run dhclient or whatevr |
| 21:10.59 | amphi | TiMiDo: er, iwconfig |
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| 21:12.12 | NeonLightning | i've been wondering how you actually get one of those branded hostmasks from freenode |
| 21:12.47 | amphi | NeonLightning: ask for a cloak |
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| 21:15.20 | MrWax | Is there a way to directly jump to a search field with a hotkey for links? |
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| 21:17.54 | TiMiDo | Lagbolt, when i open wicd nothing happens says here obtaining ip address but then nothing happends |
| 21:19.01 | Lagbolt | wicd eh |
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| 21:19.13 | Lagbolt | does it see the networks? |
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| 21:20.27 | Intensity | Instead of using reportbug, I sent email directly to debian-kernel@lists.debian.org. However I don't yet see the bug shown on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?maint=debian-kernel%40lists.debian.org |
| 21:20.35 | Intensity | Is there a way to confirm that the email I sent was processed? |
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| 21:22.08 | streuner | have some patience |
| 21:22.22 | streuner | it could need about 12-24 hrs. |
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| 21:24.21 | Intensity | streuner: Ok, I'm not sure whether the email was blocked based upon source email address and lack of a name, or a non-standard Subject: line. It was sent 18 hours ago. |
| 21:24.39 | streuner | using a MTA? |
| 21:24.49 | streuner | just look at the logs then |
| 21:24.56 | Intensity | streuner: No, using a web interface to sneakemail.com. |
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| 21:26.25 | streuner | just use postfix and use a smarthost, its easy to configure |
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| 21:27.23 | troubled | hey guys, asterisk is being interviewed by Leo Laporte and Randal Schwartz(perl camel book author) on http://live.twit.tv/ right now |
| 21:27.27 | troubled | waddles off |
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| 21:28.30 | egns | saluda a todo dios |
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| 21:30.41 | smev81 | hi |
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| 21:37.48 | curtmack | anybody have any ideas for how to fix my lack of /dev on my new hard drive? |
| 21:38.00 | smev81 | i am on www.debian.org. Where can i find the link to beta isos or snapshot isos? |
| 21:38.49 | Lagbolt | curtmack, mkdir /dev |
| 21:38.50 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 21:38.55 | curtmack | would that fix it? |
| 21:39.19 | Lagbolt | um it might. i think dev is mounted as a FS so if the mount point doesnt exist it wont mount it |
| 21:39.44 | curtmack | okay |
| 21:39.49 | JordiGH | curtmack: That's strange. What Linux are you using? |
| 21:40.13 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, he is using debian. he did a cp -ax to move to another drive and is getting panics and cant find console errors |
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| 21:40.18 | f0rsaken198 | hi |
| 21:40.25 | Lagbolt | hi f0rsaken198 |
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| 21:40.57 | luna1 | strange, /dev is handled by udev in debian |
| 21:41.08 | f0rsaken198 | can smb help me to solve problem with installing debian?) |
| 21:41.21 | f0rsaken198 | motherboard with ich10 |
| 21:41.26 | Lagbolt | luna1, but does /dev have to exist for it to work? i dont think it creates /dev just populates it |
| 21:41.42 | luna1 | if you have made a copy on another drive with cp -ax it must be work |
| 21:41.58 | Lagbolt | luna1, i agree. i have done it many times. he must have done something wrong |
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| 21:42.13 | Lagbolt | makes me wonder what else didnt get copied |
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| 21:42.34 | curtmack | yay |
| 21:42.38 | luna1 | but mmm, device nodes are created on boot, trying to check some information |
| 21:42.39 | curtmack | thanks Lagbolt |
| 21:42.48 | Lagbolt | curtmack, gotta make sure all your mountpoints exist |
| 21:42.53 | luna1 | only mkdir /dev ? |
| 21:42.53 | curtmack | yep |
| 21:42.58 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 21:42.59 | curtmack | mkdir /proc too |
| 21:43.02 | luna1 | oh lol simple |
| 21:43.05 | curtmack | happened to think |
| 21:43.08 | f0rsaken198 | khm...can smb help me with damned ich10 support?) |
| 21:43.12 | curtmack | two mount: file no found errors |
| 21:43.16 | curtmack | so two failed mounts :) |
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| 21:44.19 | curtmack | YAY, computer is working |
| 21:44.22 | curtmack | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7tbddRS8lQ |
| 21:44.25 | Lagbolt | what about /sys |
| 21:44.41 | f0rsaken198 | ... |
| 21:44.44 | curtmack | ooh, that might not exist |
| 21:44.58 | curtmack | actually it does, strangely enough |
| 21:45.04 | Lagbolt | i think you didnt do your cp right lol |
| 21:45.09 | curtmack | well, bootup worked, so apparently there's nothing major wrong with it |
| 21:45.12 | luna1 | mm i think too |
| 21:45.14 | Lagbolt | something got messed. anyhow hope it works |
| 21:45.22 | curtmack | it should work fine |
| 21:45.35 | Lagbolt | well it should resemble the one that you copied from :) |
| 21:45.55 | luna1 | i prefer dd anyway |
| 21:46.43 | Lagbolt | luna1, i like dd as well. partimage is nice as well, doesnt do empty space |
| 21:46.58 | f0rsaken198 | dudes, help me please |
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| 21:47.11 | Lagbolt | hmm ich10 eh |
| 21:47.23 | f0rsaken198 | yeah |
| 21:47.32 | Lagbolt | what is that? southbridge? |
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| 21:48.03 | Lagbolt | f0rsaken198, what is it doing or not doing? what you running? etch? lenny? |
| 21:48.07 | Lagbolt | how bout some details |
| 21:48.17 | f0rsaken198 | tried etch as well as lenny |
| 21:48.18 | luna1 | Lagbolt: yep |
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| 21:48.49 | dustybin | can one put iptables rules in /etc/rc.local ? |
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| 21:48.56 | Lagbolt | so what is the prob? just doesnt work? what is the trouble you are having with it |
| 21:48.56 | f0rsaken198 | it doesn't see my dvd-rom\hard drive |
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| 21:49.25 | mhall | I need a program which can split big files up into blocks as it copies and perform checksums on both ends to prevent corruption, and continue if it's interrupted. Is rsync a good choice? |
| 21:49.25 | Lagbolt | f0rsaken198, internal drives? |
| 21:49.42 | f0rsaken198 | i've tried acpi=off generic.all_generic_ide=1, but failed with thisa |
| 21:49.45 | f0rsaken198 | *this |
| 21:50.02 | smev81 | look for the UUIDs perhaps in dev/disk-by-UUID ? |
| 21:51.00 | f0rsaken198 | shows nothing |
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| 21:51.40 | newsense | ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 21:52.04 | smev81 | them are all sata/ide? |
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| 21:52.32 | f0rsaken198 | yes, hard drive - sata, dvd-rom - ide |
| 21:52.43 | f0rsaken198 | in bios everithyng is alright |
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| 21:52.59 | smev81 | neither hd nor dvd is seen? |
| 21:53.09 | f0rsaken198 | OpenSuSe picked up all the devices, and there were no problems, but suse suxx |
| 21:53.51 | f0rsaken198 | not quite sure about hd, because installation fails, when installer tries to mount cd |
| 21:54.09 | smev81 | dont know if thats you but here same problem http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/1011702.html |
| 21:54.32 | luna1 | mmm maybe a chroot installation can be made |
| 21:54.45 | luna1 | with debootstrap |
| 21:56.41 | f0rsaken198 | is there a possibility to install it for example from the flash card? |
| 21:57.01 | f0rsaken198 | mayde then i'll update the kernel, and i think everything should be fie |
| 21:57.11 | f0rsaken198 | *fine |
| 21:57.36 | smev81 | tried the snapshots forsaken? |
| 21:57.47 | f0rsaken198 | what do you mean? |
| 21:59.06 | smev81 | theres lenny beta2 and there are lenny snapshots, which perhaps includes updated kernel/... |
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| 21:59.35 | f0rsaken198 | hm |
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| 22:00.06 | f0rsaken198 | thnx, i'll try) |
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| 22:00.50 | f0rsaken198 | but i'm afraid there's too much bugz) |
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| 22:03.08 | smev81 | hat settings do you use in bios fror sata? |
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| 22:04.17 | smev81 | *hat = what |
| 22:04.26 | f0rsaken198 | enchanse |
| 22:04.30 | f0rsaken198 | damned |
| 22:04.33 | f0rsaken198 | enhanced |
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| 22:05.05 | f0rsaken198 | sata mode enhanced |
| 22:05.19 | amphi | what does that mean? here, I have ahci or compatibility |
| 22:05.50 | f0rsaken198 | emm, i have an idea, |
| 22:05.58 | f0rsaken198 | i'll be back in some minutes) |
| 22:06.07 | smev81 | is there an option AHCI |
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| 22:08.14 | trcoder | s.a |
| 22:08.18 | trcoder | arkadaşlar |
| 22:08.25 | trcoder | türkçe bilen varmı |
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| 22:08.28 | trcoder | ? |
| 22:08.47 | arlinju_ | how can i make 2 different application to work with 2 different vlan |
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| 22:09.02 | arlinju_ | 2vlan's=2isp |
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| 22:10.52 | smev81 | what do you mean wirh isp, arlinju? Internet Service Provider ? |
| 22:11.17 | arlinju_ | yes |
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| 22:11.54 | smev81 | How do you connect to them pppoe, router or ...? |
| 22:12.21 | amphi | !tr |
| 22:12.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 22:12.31 | amphi | trcoder: ^^^ |
| 22:13.07 | trcoder | amphi: sen biliyor türkçe:D |
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| 22:13.30 | amphi | trcoder: quoi? |
| 22:13.53 | trcoder | amphi: do you speak türkish |
| 22:14.02 | amphi | trcoder: no, not at al |
| 22:14.04 | amphi | l |
| 22:14.15 | trcoder | byeeeeeeeee |
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| 22:14.53 | amphi | nor does his client, it seems |
| 22:14.55 | curtmack | hello...? |
| 22:15.01 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 22:15.06 | Lagbolt | hi . . . . ? |
| 22:15.18 | curtmack | okay, testing various things here... |
| 22:15.31 | Lagbolt | is testing code for breaking ? :) |
| 22:15.41 | curtmack | somehow Nexuiz has fouled up so hard that even SIGKILL cannot stop it |
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| 22:15.51 | linuxjones51 | is there a risk like game i can download? |
| 22:15.55 | amphi | curtmack: try kill -11 ;) |
| 22:16.15 | curtmack | haha |
| 22:16.26 | Lagbolt | linuxjones51, xfrisk - Server and X11 client for playing risk with humans or AIs |
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| 22:16.38 | amphi | curtmack: it has actually worked for me, occasionally |
| 22:16.44 | Lagbolt | linuxjones51, apt-cache search game risk |
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| 22:17.01 | curtmack | not here though... |
| 22:17.10 | amphi | zombie? |
| 22:17.11 | curtmack | well, I'll try restarting X |
| 22:17.15 | curtmack | tally ho! |
| 22:17.24 | i_am_the_kgb | need help installing gnome-network manger on xfce |
| 22:17.46 | i_am_the_kgb | when ever i lanuch nm-applet i get this error |
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| 22:18.28 | smev81 | i once read you could start an instance of X just for a game. Would that cut the risk of haveing to restart the session where critical operations may get endangered to be terminated unsaved? |
| 22:18.47 | i_am_the_kgb | here error http://pastebin.com/m76925e5f |
| 22:19.00 | i_am_the_kgb | is there a way i can allow it ? |
| 22:19.07 | amphi | smev81: you can run multiple x sessions, but you'll only have 3d accel on the first, until dri2 |
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| 22:19.15 | cirwin | Hi, I just did a dist-upgrade on debian testing, and it seems to have broken gnome, is there a known issue? |
| 22:19.16 | fabio | hi |
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| 22:20.03 | smev81 | schade ... what the word for schade ... unfotunatetly or it is bad luck @ampji |
| 22:20.09 | smev81 | +amphi |
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| 22:20.51 | amphi | smev81: if you don't need 3d accel for your normal stuff, you could keep the first x session for games, and a second for the rest |
| 22:20.53 | fabio | if i try to shutdown my pc from normal user i get this error: must be superuser....there is way to halt from normal user? |
| 22:21.13 | JordiGH | fabio: You have to do it from a program running with root privs. Like a DM. |
| 22:21.15 | smev81 | i could have thought of that for myself. DUH |
| 22:21.30 | smev81 | @fabio sudo |
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| 22:22.19 | smev81 | @i am kgb. try joining the dbus group with your user, i guess |
| 22:22.42 | fabio | smev81, i tried to edit sudoers...but it doesn't work |
| 22:23.01 | i_am_the_kgb | smev81, how do i do that sorry ? |
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| 22:23.25 | smev81 | ehm, gpasswd -a YOURNAME dbus, i think |
| 22:23.46 | smev81 | what does it say if you do sudo restart @ fabio |
| 22:24.27 | fabio | reboot: must be superuser. |
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| 22:24.37 | smev81 | @i am the kgb, but i am not really sure if that helps |
| 22:25.16 | smev81 | you do sudo reboot and it says must be superuser... the i would su to root and reboot |
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| 22:26.23 | fabio | yes....it reboot from root....but i want to reboot and halt from normal user. |
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| 22:26.58 | smev81 | i alway sudo reboot with no issues, i cant imagine why you shouldnt |
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| 22:30.54 | cirwin | I'm assuming then that no-one else's gnome just stopped working today? |
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| 22:32.38 | smev81 | @cirwin: what is the error |
| 22:32.44 | cirwin | not really sure |
| 22:32.49 | cirwin | I get no feedback |
| 22:32.58 | cirwin | just no buttons on the panel |
| 22:33.11 | cirwin | if an application tries to draw tabs, then the keyboard stops working |
| 22:33.41 | cirwin | fellback onto good ol' TWM and everything works |
| 22:34.21 | JordiGH | Yay, TWM. |
| 22:34.27 | JordiGH | It's like 1975 all over again. |
| 22:34.33 | smev81 | i know the exact problem from what you report... |
| 22:34.39 | smev81 | ... gnome ... |
| 22:34.40 | cirwin | oh? |
| 22:34.42 | smev81 | ... is broken |
| 22:34.48 | cirwin | yes :( |
| 22:34.53 | smev81 | ;) |
| 22:34.54 | cirwin | but I like alt+tab... |
| 22:35.02 | cirwin | and kde smells of fish |
| 22:35.19 | smev81 | dont like fish? |
| 22:35.24 | cirwin | not really |
| 22:35.39 | smev81 | can you start gnome from console instead using gdm? |
| 22:35.50 | cirwin | same result |
| 22:35.56 | smev81 | and start the programs from console? |
| 22:36.08 | cirwin | yes, I can |
| 22:36.15 | cirwin | but if anything tries to draw tabs |
| 22:36.23 | cirwin | like pidgin/tilda/firefox |
| 22:36.30 | cirwin | it crashes completely |
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| 22:36.34 | cirwin | and the keyboard no longer works |
| 22:36.49 | smev81 | crashes like freezes? |
| 22:36.53 | cirwin | (except for ctrl+alt+F* or backspace) |
| 22:36.54 | cirwin | no |
| 22:37.00 | cirwin | maybe not crashes then |
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| 22:37.17 | marc29 | hi |
| 22:37.17 | smev81 | it just accepts no keyboard input in gnome, then |
| 22:37.19 | marc29 | mucommander is cool |
| 22:37.20 | cirwin | but the application that tried to draw the tabs disappears |
| 22:37.29 | cirwin | pidgin reports that it segfaulted |
| 22:37.29 | smev81 | oh |
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| 22:38.32 | smev81 | have you tried the stupid simple things like using other theme? |
| 22:38.43 | cirwin | no :) |
| 22:38.51 | cirwin | sounds like a plan |
| 22:38.52 | smev81 | sometimes it is the dumbest possible solution |
| 22:39.04 | smev81 | but i have no high hopes |
| 22:39.05 | cirwin | I'll give it a go |
| 22:39.13 | smev81 | good luck |
| 22:39.20 | cirwin | heh, I'll try anything atm :) |
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| 22:43.39 | thesandstrom | if my system hangs with a kernel panic, in what log file should I look to get info about it, i.e the info that is shown in tty1 when the panic happens? |
| 22:44.06 | abrotman | it's pretty likely none will have that |
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| 22:45.49 | abrotman | thesandstrom: kern.log? syslog? messages? |
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| 22:46.59 | thesandstrom | abrotman: right..didn't see anything interesting in kern.log or syslog, perhaps I didn't look hard enough. I'll have a go at it again |
| 22:47.28 | abrotman | thesandstrom: do you remember any key words from the dump? you could grep for them |
| 22:47.29 | azeem | thesandstrom: in case of a kernel panic, it's unlikely that the kernel can still write those messages to the harddisk |
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| 22:47.43 | smev81 | http://www.tocpcs.com/howto-log-a-kernel-panic-it-can-be-done/ |
| 22:47.46 | abrotman | thesandstrom: but like i said .. bah azeem said it again |
| 22:47.50 | f0rsaken198 | great! |
| 22:47.54 | smev81 | @ the sand storm |
| 22:48.05 | smev81 | great? |
| 22:48.06 | abrotman | smev81: not after the fact :) |
| 22:48.17 | jelly-home | for the next time... |
| 22:48.32 | abrotman | there shouldn't be a next time! |
| 22:48.51 | jelly-home | abrotman: tell that to the debian-kernel team |
| 22:49.11 | abrotman | jelly-home: i'm still looking for the debian-samba team |
| 22:49.53 | jelly-home | abrotman: you're in a maze of twisty passages, all alike |
| 22:50.12 | amphi | hunt it with sporks and hope! |
| 22:50.21 | jelly-home | exits are: N, W, S |
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| 22:51.11 | thesandstrom | azeem: true, it seems it was unable to do it indeed, can't find any instances of 'panic' in any log file |
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| 22:52.03 | thesandstrom | abrotman: the computer belongs to my not-so-very-tech-savy sister, and the only indication I had of a kernel panic was the flashing numlock LED. I'm simply trying to reproduce it right now, I think it lies within the iwlwifi driver |
| 22:53.06 | abrotman | thesandstrom: i blame blobs! |
| 22:53.22 | xand | hmpf |
| 22:53.32 | xand | network card works with 2.6.18 but not 2.6.18 :| |
| 22:53.35 | abrotman | hi blondie! |
| 22:53.36 | xand | er |
| 22:53.38 | abrotman | xand: tg3? |
| 22:53.39 | xand | network card works with 2.6.8 but not 2.6.18 :| |
| 22:53.44 | xand | o.o |
| 22:53.54 | thesandstrom | abrotman: true, in situations like these I start getting the point of 'kernel purity' |
| 22:53.58 | smev81 | forsaken198: any luck? |
| 22:54.18 | cirwin | had no luck |
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| 22:54.29 | xand | therefore sarge > etch :D |
| 22:54.31 | abrotman | xand: which driver? tulip? |
| 22:54.36 | xand | no, r8169 |
| 22:54.42 | thesandstrom | I dumped ubuntu just because I was so fed up with their attitude towards free software. I mean, basing a lot of their work around a properietary platform (launchpad). bah! |
| 22:54.42 | abrotman | cp or too ? |
| 22:55.02 | xand | actually e1000 too :) |
| 22:55.16 | kspath | anyone know how many minimum CDs does it take to get a base Sarge install going? |
| 22:55.19 | dmoerner | both of those adapters work fine for me on etch |
| 22:55.21 | xand | any network card I tried.... gives a PCI error when modprobe-ing |
| 22:55.22 | smev81 | bye |
| 22:55.24 | kspath | I always used netinstall |
| 22:55.28 | abrotman | dmoerner: you don't even have the PCI IDs |
| 22:55.28 | dmoerner | kspath: one. why are you installing sarge though? |
| 22:55.34 | xand | yes it's just one machine. |
| 22:55.37 | amphi | e1000 worked fine on etch for me |
| 22:55.45 | abrotman | kspath: same as etch .. the netinst |
| 22:55.48 | dmoerner | abrotman: you are correct. it could be a different revision number. |
| 22:55.52 | dmoerner | sorry |
| 22:55.55 | xand | a combination of network cards and that motherboard doesn't work with recent kernels |
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| 22:56.09 | kspath | netinstall sarge will not work, it points to stable which is etch |
| 22:56.28 | xand | kspath: why install sarge? |
| 22:56.31 | abrotman | kspath: uh .. don't use http sources .. install system .. change sources |
| 22:56.47 | abrotman | profit! |
| 22:56.50 | kspath | I need clean sarge for a project first step is update to latest then convert all stuff to etch |
| 22:56.58 | abrotman | just said how to do it! |
| 22:57.15 | marc29 | does anyone know how to turn of muCommander startup logo? |
| 22:57.54 | kspath | abrotman: thanks man, sorry, more than a little tired |
| 22:58.06 | abrotman | kspath: stop playing with the cat! :) |
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| 23:01.00 | kspath | cool, set to oldstable all good |
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| 23:02.16 | dmoerner | does anyone know the difference between apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r) and aptitude install linux-source-x.x.x other than that the latter puts it in /usr/src? |
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| 23:11.58 | webPragmatist | how can i chmod +s all the directories recursively? |
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| 23:12.04 | dmoerner | webPragmatist: chmod -R |
| 23:12.14 | webPragmatist | well it +S the file whatever that means |
| 23:12.17 | webPragmatist | fiels* |
| 23:12.19 | webPragmatist | files* |
| 23:12.38 | abrotman | man chmod |
| 23:12.47 | simonrvn | pointless |
| 23:13.14 | abrotman | and probably not good |
| 23:13.36 | webPragmatist | ? |
| 23:13.53 | simonrvn | what he wanted... |
| 23:14.15 | webPragmatist | i'm guessing +S makes the file always retain it's owner? |
| 23:14.35 | jelly-home | !wayttd webPragmatist |
| 23:14.35 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, webPragmatist? |
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| 23:14.52 | webPragmatist | place sticky bits on all the directories |
| 23:14.55 | abrotman | WHY? |
| 23:14.58 | jelly-home | why? |
| 23:15.06 | webPragmatist | so that when someone adds a file it retails the group |
| 23:15.09 | webPragmatist | retains* |
| 23:15.12 | simonrvn | why? |
| 23:15.32 | webPragmatist | because people are uploading stuff here using an ftp client |
| 23:15.50 | webPragmatist | and I want it to still retain some useful information but allow others to access it as well |
| 23:15.59 | webPragmatist | and alter it |
| 23:16.42 | jelly-home | can't you set up the ftp server to use the wanted group by default? |
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| 23:17.13 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:17.15 | abrotman | usually |
| 23:17.51 | webPragmatist | well i don't want them to create files EVERYWHERE with those groups |
| 23:17.56 | webPragmatist | like their home dir |
| 23:18.01 | webPragmatist | is still fair game |
| 23:18.10 | webPragmatist | anyway... i figured it out |
| 23:18.13 | webPragmatist | using fine |
| 23:18.17 | webPragmatist | find |
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| 23:19.06 | abrotman | your keyboard is broken |
| 23:19.07 | jelly-home | yeah, something like find /blah -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod g+s |
| 23:19.57 | jelly-home | calls that bit "setgid" bit. "sticky" is something else. +s something else, too |
| 23:20.17 | jelly-home | !permissions |
| 23:20.17 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 23:24.47 | dennda | Hello. Is there some list or even a changelog outlining the new developments that go into lenny? |
| 23:25.05 | abrotman | the package changelogs |
| 23:25.15 | abrotman | the NEWS file might be of some use also |
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| 23:25.34 | dennda | only that? nothing more "concentrated"? |
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| 23:26.28 | keith4_ | i would like to take this server offline, permanently. but I would like to copy the entire contents of its disk to another box. what's the best way to do this? |
| 23:26.43 | lem0n | take the drive out? |
| 23:26.50 | f0rsaken198 | lol |
| 23:27.03 | keith4_ | not an option. hardware raid |
| 23:27.06 | lem0n | ah |
| 23:27.08 | abrotman | dennda: would you like a merged changelog for 20,000 packagess? |
| 23:27.14 | abrotman | keith4_: dd? |
| 23:27.36 | keith4_ | abrotman: i'm hoping to keep it available, on the new box |
| 23:27.41 | dennda | abrotman: no, just an index from where I can go is fine |
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| 23:27.55 | abrotman | is that all? |
| 23:28.02 | lem0n | is it possible to get rid of the "warning: possible breakin attempt" log entry from sshd for certain ip addresses, sort of like an ability to "trust" an ip? |
| 23:28.16 | keith4_ | so people can go to /src/oldserver/, or whatever, and get aanything that was on the old server |
| 23:28.24 | keith4_ | er, /srv/oldserver rather |
| 23:28.53 | lem0n | scp? :P |
| 23:29.34 | keith4_ | my gut feeling would be to export / using nfs, and just cp the whole thing over... but i have a feeling it would get mad around the time it gets to /dev, /proc, etc. |
| 23:29.39 | abrotman | keith4_: tar it up? |
| 23:29.57 | keith4_ | will tar skip non-regular files? |
| 23:30.19 | dmoerner | keith4_: to get a pristine fs it would probably be better to boot a live image and then use tar to copy the drive contents |
| 23:30.30 | abrotman | dennda: i'm not aware of any singular place to check (packages.debian.org has links to all the changelogs, but you seem to want one place) .. the changelogs will also be in /usr/share/doc/<pkg/ |
| 23:30.58 | dennda | abrotman: Thank you. |
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| 23:31.24 | keith4_ | dmoerner: good idea. i've got knoppix sitting right here |
| 23:31.34 | abrotman | dennda: you could also ask the debian-user mailing list |
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| 23:33.27 | keith4_ | alright. thanks abrotman, dmoerner, et al. |
| 23:34.02 | abrotman | ohh .. .26 in lenny |
| 23:34.12 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 23:34.18 | dmoerner | abrotman: you did it! you caused the netsplit! |
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| 23:34.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, probably viciously inserted packets that brought the server down |
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| 23:40.11 | Graveworm | Hi all :)! I'm confused. I'm running debian etch with acl support and samba 3 on a server. Now there is one directory with some files to which a group of users have no permission to read. But I'm able to see those files in the windows explorer with this group of users. But all other acl settings seem to be ok. Any hints? |
| 23:41.42 | Graveworm | That can't be a samba problem? I mean on filesystem side the acl settings looks fine. But the server doesn't seem to care about :( |
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| 23:43.11 | abrotman | can you look at the dir via the filesystem? |
| 23:43.55 | Graveworm | abrotman: You mean on the console? Yes. Using "getfacl" I can see the correct settings. |
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| 23:48.05 | Graveworm | abrotman: The group causing the problem has no permissions neither for reading nor writing or executing. But if I logon with a user of that group I can see the files via the explorer. |
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| 23:49.19 | Graveworm | Using another group on another directory but on the same filesystem the acl settings work. |
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| 23:50.05 | Graveworm | So acl seem to be ok. But not for that specific directory. |
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| 23:50.32 | Graveworm | But how can samba ignore the settings of the filesystem? |
| 23:50.43 | abrotman | Graveworm: i'd tell you to ask #samba .. but i know that's kind of pointless |
| 23:51.28 | Graveworm | Hmm... In #samba they all seem to have fallen asleep ;).... |
| 23:51.36 | Graveworm | So I'm asking here ;) |
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| 23:51.43 | something | hey all |
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| 23:51.55 | abrotman | Graveworm: which is why i had that comment |
| 23:52.01 | Graveworm | But I don't even think that this is really a samba bug. |
| 23:52.06 | something | I'm having problems getting java running on firefox 3 on Lenny. Can someone help me please |
| 23:52.07 | Graveworm | ah :) |
| 23:52.13 | abrotman | something: amd64? |
| 23:52.32 | abrotman | Graveworm: what about the unix perms ? |
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| 23:52.46 | abrotman | could they be overruling the acls somehow ? |
| 23:54.31 | something | I have installed Sun's java from source and created a .deb. I created a symbolic link to the mozilla plugins dir and have also done "update-alternative --config java" and selected the appropriate java version... the thing is, when I go into a java-enabled page, the plugin doesn't load |
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| 23:54.47 | Graveworm | abrotman: Er... sry. My fault. That problem even seem to has nothing to do with acl. The user group with that problem is not set via acl but is the "normal" unix group of that file. An additional group is that with acl but this group seems to work. |
| 23:55.11 | abrotman | too many groups! too many perms! |
| 23:55.22 | something | Can someone please assist me? |
| 23:55.27 | abrotman | something: why did you do that? |
| 23:55.39 | abrotman | something: what does "about:plugins" say about java? |
| 23:55.56 | manu_hack | so they just pushed .26 to testing? |
| 23:56.10 | something | URL is not valid :\ |
| 23:56.16 | something | oh wait |
| 23:56.16 | Graveworm | abrotman: Hm :)!? There is only the unix user, the unix group and another additional group set via acl? |
| 23:56.40 | abrotman | too many! |
| 23:56.43 | abrotman | there can be only one! |
| 23:56.47 | abrotman | hugs DOS |
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| 23:57.05 | something | abrotman, it's not shown. I see Shockwave Flash (which I insalled manually), but nothing about java |
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| 23:58.01 | Graveworm | abrotman: really? Only one single group for a file? But then what does acl make sense for? |
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| 23:58.20 | abrotman | Graveworm: i was joking |
| 23:58.26 | something | abrotman, any ideas why ff3 is not picking up the java plugin? |
| 23:58.43 | robin_sz | anyone happen to know the nagios plugin name for checking a samba service is up and running? |
| 23:58.44 | abrotman | something: is it FF3 or IW3 ? |
| 23:58.55 | Graveworm | Erm... sorry.... no sense for irony ;). It's a liitle late here ;) |
| 23:58.57 | something | FF3. |
| 23:59.05 | something | I don't like weasel too much |
| 23:59.11 | Laeborg|Lap | hello |
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| 23:59.29 | abrotman | something: okay .. so you're asking us why your FF3 from mozilla.com doesn't work with your sun java from java.com ? |
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