| 00:00.47 | Speereet | CutMeOwnThroat: brutal⦠I'm «talking» with dpkg now. Thanks. |
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| 00:04.10 | jsn | Is there any way to find out where, in "make menuconfig", I can find a particular option... given its option name? |
| 00:04.15 | jsn | CONFIG_IWLCORE to be specific |
| 00:04.36 | kenjy | debian guys |
| 00:04.39 | kenjy | what this means? root@localhost:/home/trac/dalton/conf# apt-get update |
| 00:04.40 | kenjy | FATAL -> Failed to fork. |
| 00:05.00 | jsn | too many processes? |
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| 00:11.17 | wd_ | what dir does gspca-modules install to? |
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| 00:18.28 | snowrichard | hi |
| 00:19.06 | enouf | wd_: dpkg -L <pkgname> |
| 00:20.33 | enouf | jsn: cd /into/src ; find . -name 'Kconfig*' | xargs grep -il iwlcore or just use the search feature in menuconfig :-P |
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| 00:21.41 | enouf | the 1st method is more useful for matching more than 1 string at a time (add more of the same | xargs ..) |
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| 00:21.45 | jsn | enouf, search! ack! THANK YOU! |
| 00:21.59 | wd_ | enouf, k |
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| 00:23.19 | enouf | for exl antgel would've been good to do; find . -name 'Kconfig*' | xargs grep -il partition | xargs grep -il type | xargs grep -il msdos |
| 00:23.38 | wd_ | enouf, sudo dpkg -L gspca-modules* |
| 00:23.38 | wd_ | Package `gspca-modules*' is not installed. |
| 00:23.52 | wd_ | enouf, i know it is i did dpkg -i and saw it |
| 00:24.03 | enouf | what's with the * ? |
| 00:24.15 | wd_ | enouf, i have to give full? |
| 00:24.29 | enouf | dpkg -l gspca-modules\* |
| 00:24.29 | dpkg | ii gspca-modules\* 1.3-1.3 enouf's private gamp collection |
| 00:24.34 | enouf | hah |
| 00:25.00 | wd_ | enouf, oh you. |
| 00:25.06 | Nyle | hey |
| 00:25.08 | Nyle | token |
| 00:25.11 | enouf | usually dpkg -l alsa* | grep ^.i stuff - works for me |
| 00:25.21 | Nyle | enouf, what do you want? |
| 00:25.36 | amphi | gamp, heh |
| 00:25.42 | Nyle | enouf, amphi hi |
| 00:25.45 | wd_ | enouf, so -l not -L ? uh huh :) |
| 00:25.49 | enouf | hola Nyle |
| 00:25.53 | Nyle | que paso |
| 00:25.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps a cracker? |
| 00:25.57 | enouf | wd_: er ... |
| 00:25.58 | amphi | evenin', Herr Nyle |
| 00:26.02 | enouf | wd_: man dokg |
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| 00:26.06 | wd_ | enouf, ok |
| 00:26.06 | Nyle | dokg |
| 00:26.16 | Nyle | I'm trying to learn emacs |
| 00:26.17 | Nyle | dude |
| 00:26.19 | enouf | wd_: man dpkg <- corrected ;-) |
| 00:26.21 | Nyle | its got a file manager! |
| 00:26.34 | Nyle | and a web browser that can look up curreently hilighted functions in documentation |
| 00:26.39 | amphi | it's got the kitchen sink! |
| 00:26.40 | Nyle | and auto completion |
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| 00:26.48 | Nyle | and a shell |
| 00:26.50 | Nyle | ! |
| 00:26.59 | wd_ | enouf, i installed gspca-modules and man i can't load it.. file not found. locate, whereis nada won't find it so i can see what dir it's in |
| 00:27.00 | Nyle | where has emacs been all my life? |
| 00:27.03 | sudobash | I need some help seriously... I am trying to get PXE working so I can do a netboot from two laptops and I have been trying to follow a walk through but I found a better one on Ubuntu forums but I think it is too late to do one because I have already set up DHCP3-Server and have it configured the only real problem is choosing which TFTP Daemon to use and how to get it working with PXE and the current DHCPD settings I have configured |
| 00:27.18 | Nyle | sudobash, I followed the debian install howto |
| 00:27.20 | Nyle | !ig |
| 00:27.20 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r4 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
| 00:27.23 | Nyle | it worked for me |
| 00:27.27 | Nyle | I'm sure it can work for you too |
| 00:27.28 | wd_ | enouf, i don' t see it kernel/drivers/media/usbvideo |
| 00:27.45 | enouf | wd_: to use locate, you need to run updatedb as root (until your next cron.daily runs) |
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| 00:28.04 | enouf | use dlocate and update-dlocatedb is easier, nicer |
| 00:28.07 | sudobash | but i am on Ubuntu 8.04 and have the DHCP3-Server up and working... I would like to be able to Host Debian Netboot and only that right now over this pc |
| 00:28.28 | enouf | but dpkg -l <keyword> .. or dpkg -L <exact-pkgname> |
| 00:28.36 | wd_ | enouf, as root.. i did sudo |
| 00:28.42 | enouf | sudo is fine |
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| 00:29.50 | wd_ | enouf, wd@debian-box:~$ sudo modprobe gspca |
| 00:29.51 | wd_ | FATAL: Module gspca not found. |
| 00:30.06 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gspca-modules&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 00:30.08 | wd_ | enouf, darnit |
| 00:30.10 | enouf | worst case |
| 00:30.28 | enouf | did you use apt to install? |
| 00:30.38 | wd_ | enouf, aptitude |
| 00:30.49 | sudobash | #ubuntu is dead... I am trying to fix these 2 pc's for free for some high schoolers but the damn cd wont boot anything... so I am trying to set up this PXE to fix it.... I also have an OpenBSD 4.2 PC I can use but I need to do this quick... like i said I have DHCP3 working on this Ubuntu PC and have set up the netboot files and everything but I am having trouble with TFTPD or ATFTPD neither seem to be working |
| 00:31.11 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/gspca-modules-2.6.18-6-686/filelist |
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| 00:31.34 | enouf | modprobe -l | grep gspca |
| 00:31.38 | enouf | sudo |
| 00:31.47 | enouf | or /sbin/modprobe |
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| 00:32.08 | neant | hello , i was wondering if there a application under linux to control the bass and the treble of the sound? |
| 00:32.18 | enouf | if there - run depmod -a .. sure you got the right pkg? |
| 00:32.33 | wd_ | enouf, k |
| 00:32.48 | enouf | audacious - until i can find an standalone eq myself |
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| 00:33.05 | S-i-A | hi |
| 00:33.06 | sudobash | I have already gone to far in one walkthrough to start another really cause I tried |
| 00:33.07 | enouf | usually the little tone knob on your speakers :-P |
| 00:33.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | neant, most players have an equalizer on their own |
| 00:33.29 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: i already have one - mplayer -no eq |
| 00:33.33 | enouf | that i know of |
| 00:33.39 | wd_ | enouf, damn it.. wd@debian-box:~$ sudo modprobe -l | grep gspca |
| 00:33.39 | wd_ | wd@debian-box:~$ |
| 00:33.50 | wd_ | enouf, nada |
| 00:33.54 | wd_ | enouf, i know i have it |
| 00:33.55 | S-i-A | how to remove all installed package with "gnome" in title and description? |
| 00:34.04 | enouf | wd_: dpkg -l gspca |
| 00:34.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | neant, I think a more general solution affecting all players would be possible, but... complicated to make |
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| 00:34.30 | enouf | wd_: do not flood here - use a pastebin |
| 00:34.35 | wd_ | enouf, ok |
| 00:34.43 | enouf | if it's one line, no prob |
| 00:34.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, xmms, amarok, .... |
| 00:34.49 | wd_ | enouf, no packages found |
| 00:34.50 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: mplayer ;-) |
| 00:34.51 | wd_ | :( |
| 00:34.58 | unop | S-i-A, aptitude remove '~i gnome' # perhaps |
| 00:35.05 | enouf | wd_: see /var/log/aptitude ? and /dpkg.log ? |
| 00:35.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, don't like that so much for music - except when I want to listen into a single one |
| 00:35.17 | enouf | wd_: i use apt-get, not aptitude |
| 00:35.19 | wd_ | enouf, not yet will |
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| 00:35.55 | wd_ | enouf, i use apt-get too but people been saying to use aptitude because when removing apps apt-get isn't best with orphan depends. |
| 00:35.56 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: for single wav, aplay ;-) |
| 00:36.20 | enouf | wd_: yeah, it's not an issue, you should use aptitude - that's not what's wrong |
| 00:36.23 | unop | S-i-A, if you want to remove config files too .. aptitude purge ... |
| 00:36.32 | S-i-A | unop: thanx but did't remove it |
| 00:36.35 | enouf | wd_: i mentioned cause i'm not sure where it's logs are and such |
| 00:37.03 | unop | S-i-A, what do you mean? |
| 00:37.19 | S-i-A | unop: finde nothing to removing |
| 00:37.19 | newsense | aptitude install mplayer |
| 00:37.24 | newsense | err |
| 00:37.30 | enouf | enable dmm ;-) |
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| 00:37.43 | unop | S-i-A, are you sure you copied the command in right? or typed it out properly? |
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| 00:38.15 | S-i-A | aptitude remove '~i gnome' # perhaps |
| 00:38.18 | allos_nerelin | www:~/tcl8.5.4# make |
| 00:38.18 | allos_nerelin | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 00:38.20 | S-i-A | unop: ^^ |
| 00:38.37 | enouf | wd_: (psst, i didn't tell you this, but there's deborphan and debfoster .. shh ) :-p |
| 00:39.06 | wd_ | enouf, haha.. ok ok |
| 00:39.19 | enouf | !cross posting |
| 00:39.20 | wd_ | enouf, reading on it now. |
| 00:39.23 | unop | S-i-A, hmm, do you actually have any gnome apps installed? |
| 00:39.25 | enouf | !simul |
| 00:39.25 | dpkg | i guess simul is please don't simultaneously ask the same thing in multiple channels/networks - thanks, or see <multiple ask> |
| 00:39.34 | S-i-A | unop: yes |
| 00:39.35 | enouf | allos_nerelin: ^^^^^^^^ |
| 00:39.54 | unop | S-i-A, i guess this works then. aptitude remove $(dpkg -l | awk '/gnome/{print $2}') |
| 00:39.59 | enouf | wd_: you should the debian reference at the least ;-) |
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| 00:40.06 | enouf | +read |
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| 00:40.32 | S-i-A | unop: that nothing to |
| 00:40.51 | unop | S-i-A, does this give you anything. dpkg -l | grep gnome |
| 00:41.02 | wd_ | enouf, yeah you know i had to read for gentoo, i was thinking debian would be easier but i'm gonna have to read more.. i c. |
| 00:41.06 | unop | is he on debian? |
| 00:41.13 | wd_ | yes |
| 00:41.25 | wd_ | unop, me? |
| 00:41.31 | unop | wd_, nah |
| 00:41.34 | wd_ | unop, oh |
| 00:41.35 | wd_ | ok |
| 00:41.42 | S-i-A | unop: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/83703/ |
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| 00:42.18 | rixth | What content encoding should I use for sending PDF's and DOC files as attachements? 7bit, 8bit or base64? |
| 00:42.18 | unop | S-i-A, all your gnome apps have already been removed .. only the configuration files have been left behind |
| 00:42.37 | unop | S-i-A, do you want to remove the config files too? |
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| 00:42.47 | S-i-A | unop: yes |
| 00:42.57 | wd_ | enouf, Removing gspca-modules-2.6-686 ... |
| 00:42.57 | wd_ | Removing gspca-modules-2.6.18-6-686 ... |
| 00:43.08 | wd_ | enouf, now i'm gonna use apt-get to install |
| 00:43.13 | unop | S-i-A, aptitude purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/gnome/{print $2}') |
| 00:43.31 | enouf | phone |
| 00:43.53 | S-i-A | unop: u r the best |
| 00:44.04 | S-i-A | thanx |
| 00:44.08 | unop | np |
| 00:44.54 | wd_ | enouf, ummm i have the 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 kernel. does it matter if the gspca modules are for 2.6.686? |
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| 00:46.07 | wd_ | enouf, abrotman suggested i get this kernel.. it packed with mods right.. but no gspca..so the gspca modules so should be fine even on this kernel right? |
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| 00:47.05 | enouf | wd_: yes |
| 00:48.01 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | How could I use gsynaptics to configure my touch pad? |
| 00:48.07 | enouf | wd_: just apt-get update and apt-get -s install gspca-modules-2.6-686 |
| 00:48.19 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | "You have to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf or XF86Config to use GSynaptics" however there is no synaptic section in xorg.conf |
| 00:48.29 | enouf | wd_: that's a meta pkg, which will pull in the correct depends |
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| 00:50.01 | Diazepam | hi all - could anyone give me a pointer on how I can change the directory ownership to that of a user with /nologin permission? |
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| 00:51.48 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | this tapping is pissing me off |
| 00:51.57 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | Trying to move the mouse and it decides to click on things |
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| 00:52.27 | amphi | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: there's a synaptics option to turn that off |
| 00:52.39 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | amphi: and how would I change those options? |
| 00:52.48 | amphi | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: in xorg.conf |
| 00:52.54 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | There is no synaptic section |
| 00:53.05 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | It's some "magic" stuff in lenny |
| 00:53.15 | amphi | so make one |
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| 00:53.39 | amphi | I can't tell you exactly, because my laptop has no disgusting pad |
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| 00:54.51 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | amphi: I tried making one before except X would not start |
| 00:55.22 | beardy | Diazepam: chown(1) changes ownership of files. |
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| 00:55.55 | beardy | Now.. where has my chown info document gone, in etch? |
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| 00:57.43 | Diazepam | beardy: yeah i have tried that but I get an error message saying that there is no such user |
| 00:57.54 | Diazepam | i added the user via the following |
| 00:58.39 | Diazepam | useradd -d /media/data/ftp/fred -s /usr/sbin/nologin |
| 00:59.02 | Diazepam | made sure /nologin is in /etc/shells |
| 00:59.10 | Diazepam | it allows me to create a user |
| 00:59.14 | Diazepam | the user can login via ftp |
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| 00:59.30 | Diazepam | and is 'contained' to his virtual home directory |
| 00:59.41 | Diazepam | but he can not write to the directory as it is owned by root |
| 01:00.00 | Diazepam | so i tried chown -R directory mike |
| 01:00.05 | Diazepam | but that is when i get the error |
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| 01:00.21 | klasikahl | howdy. does anyone here have experience setting up ocfs2 to be accessed by more than two nodes? i have about 20 nodes and i'm not so happy with gfs+gnbd |
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| 01:00.55 | egns | pira a dormir, mananoche. |
| 01:01.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Diazepam, I have problems believing that |
| 01:01.59 | beardy | Diazepam: Ok.. the username is "fred", but you tried changing the ownership to "mike"? |
| 01:02.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | ehe |
| 01:02.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I'd believe *that* |
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| 01:02.23 | Diazepam | sorry - fred/mike are interchangable |
| 01:02.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it sais "no such user", then there is none |
| 01:02.39 | Diazepam | they are just made up names |
| 01:02.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Diazepam, grep mike /etc/passwd |
| 01:02.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's in passwd, root can change ownership |
| 01:03.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | if he can't, it's not |
| 01:03.26 | Diazepam | fred:x:1004:1006::/media/data/ftp/vusers/test:/usr/sbin/nologin |
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| 01:04.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | chown -R sshd:root X |
| 01:05.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | # ls -dl X |
| 01:05.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | drwxr-xr-x 2 sshd root 144 Aug 19 15:35 X |
| 01:05.34 | Diazepam | sorry CutMeOwnThroat what does the first command do? |
| 01:05.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Diazepam, change ownership? what you also tried to do? |
| 01:06.10 | Diazepam | what is the ssh deamon thing about? |
| 01:06.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just tried it on my system with the user sshd, which has |
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| 01:06.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | sshd:x:106:65534::/var/run/sshd:/usr/sbin/nologin |
| 01:06.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | /usr/sbin/nologin as shell |
| 01:07.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | just demonstrating that there is no problem - you must have a typo, be on the wrong computer or whatever |
| 01:07.21 | Diazepam | okay let me give it another go |
| 01:07.32 | sudobash | AHHHH! I got PXE working... I nuked DHCP3 and just installed DNSMASQ and it is working right now... |
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| 01:11.17 | Diazepam | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah you were right it must have been a typo |
| 01:11.24 | Diazepam | thank you for setting me straight |
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| 01:13.08 | allos_nerelin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.08 | allos_nerelin | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 01:13.20 | allos_nerelin | @_@ |
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| 01:13.32 | abrotman | you mixed versions of debian .. enjoy the pieces |
| 01:15.13 | Juz_visiting | I have an apt-get -f install that keeps failing .. how can I tell apt to just forget about those installs so I will not keep getting the error message? |
| 01:16.07 | snewp | When I tried pulling up a terminal it says: There was an error creating the child process for this terminal. Any ideas ? |
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| 01:19.56 | S-i-A | ho to disable systeme "bipe" sounde or remove it, make me crazy :) |
| 01:21.21 | Tramp | !tell S-i-A about bell |
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| 01:21.52 | De_Mon | S-i-A have you tried unpluging the speaker? juuuust kidding! |
| 01:21.55 | visof | hi |
| 01:22.05 | visof | i can't installed skype |
| 01:22.15 | abrotman | skype isn't in debian |
| 01:22.27 | Gnurdux | its not free |
| 01:22.40 | visof | can't i use it for Debian |
| 01:22.42 | visof | ? |
| 01:22.53 | visof | it's free |
| 01:23.20 | Shadow_Master | it is not free software. |
| 01:23.21 | Juz_visiting | I have an apt-get -f install that keeps failing .. how can I tell apt to just forget about those installs so I will not keep getting the error message? |
| 01:23.28 | Wyzard | visof: Not in the DFSG sense it isn't |
| 01:23.41 | Somni | visof: http://www.google.com/search?q=skype+debian |
| 01:24.36 | abrotman | visof: sure .. you can but it's not in debian .. and you're not likely to get help with it here |
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| 01:27.30 | sluxor | I need help with installing debian linux ppc port on a mac G3. Anybody have experience? This one was previously owned by an educational institution. It has a zip-only disk drive and can't boot of USB. I can't get into open firmware and to tell you the truth I'm not even sure if it has one. Is there any way I can boot linux by just replacing or placing files onto the current hard drive partition? |
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| 01:28.02 | sluxor | If i put a blank hard drive with no partition on it will it boot off the CD? |
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| 01:29.22 | abrotman | it will try |
| 01:29.28 | abrotman | assuing the bios is set that way |
| 01:29.47 | sluxor | well this mac was modded by a large educational institution |
| 01:29.49 | sluxor | it cant boot USB |
| 01:29.59 | sluxor | and i think the G3's are normaly capable of doing os |
| 01:30.01 | sluxor | so* |
| 01:30.39 | sluxor | I don't wana run macOS on it because support for it is discontinued, there wont be any further updates and software available for it is outdated |
| 01:30.50 | sluxor | i would much rather run debian etch on it.. |
| 01:31.12 | abrotman | uhm .. hold the uh .. "C" key? |
| 01:31.31 | abrotman | there's a way to force them to boot off the CD |
| 01:31.41 | sluxor | ok.. Im all ears |
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| 01:33.32 | abrotman | i think it's holding the 'c' key |
| 01:33.34 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:33.35 | dpkg | i guess ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
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| 01:34.03 | sluxor | thanx, I already have the debian etch CD prebundled with KDE |
| 01:34.08 | sluxor | thats what I was planning to install |
| 01:34.17 | sluxor | for ppc that is |
| 01:34.46 | abrotman | sluxor: you mean an imac ? |
| 01:35.01 | sluxor | it's a tower actualy |
| 01:35.17 | sluxor | with an AGP graphics card |
| 01:35.33 | sluxor | or what appears to me as AGP with a standard VGA out |
| 01:35.42 | sluxor | it has 1GB of SDram |
| 01:36.00 | sluxor | and a weird heatsink on top of what appears to be a dual-processor setup |
| 01:36.16 | sluxor | grrr next time I'l take pictures, I'm at work now |
| 01:36.31 | abrotman | sluxor: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch05s01.html.en#boot-cd |
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| 01:38.30 | sluxor | actualy I just figured out what it is based on it's unique design |
| 01:38.33 | sluxor | its a G4 Tower |
| 01:38.34 | sluxor | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Mac_G4 |
| 01:38.37 | sluxor | a power mac G4 |
| 01:39.03 | sluxor | it comes in different configurations... the one I got is a 1GB of ram |
| 01:39.13 | sluxor | 512MB + 2x 256MB |
| 01:39.19 | sluxor | don't ask why I didnt build it |
| 01:39.20 | sluxor | lol |
| 01:40.54 | Gnurdux | why run linux on a mac? |
| 01:41.38 | sluxor | it's an old mac and no new software for mac can run on it |
| 01:41.43 | sluxor | coz macs have moved onto the x86 architecture |
| 01:41.47 | sluxor | this one is a ppc |
| 01:41.58 | sluxor | so new macOSX wont be available for ppc.. |
| 01:42.05 | sluxor | the updates will cease.. |
| 01:42.06 | Gnurdux | but the whole point of macs is running al the proprietary apple shit, right? |
| 01:42.12 | sluxor | the software is already designed for the latest OSX |
| 01:42.27 | lontra | macs have nice hardware too don't they? |
| 01:42.31 | sluxor | hey I didnt buy it, my girlfriend bought it off some guy who didnt know what it is.. |
| 01:42.34 | sluxor | for $20 |
| 01:42.43 | sluxor | the ram in it is worth $100 at least |
| 01:42.44 | sluxor | lol |
| 01:43.06 | Gnurdux | the hardware isnt nice for the price |
| 01:43.18 | sluxor | It works really well with all the propriatery software.. dont get me wrong. It just needs linux so it can stay a new computer ;) |
| 01:43.30 | Gnurdux | and |
| 01:43.32 | Gnurdux | 1gb of ram |
| 01:43.39 | Gnurdux | is not worth 100 bucks |
| 01:43.45 | Gnurdux | 100 bucks buys 4 gigs nowadays |
| 01:43.53 | sluxor | yes but this is SDram we're talking about |
| 01:44.01 | Gnurdux | which is WORSE than ddr2 |
| 01:44.10 | Gnurdux | its only useful in a shit-old computer |
| 01:44.16 | sluxor | indeed but if u have an old machine you're stuck having to buy it |
| 01:44.16 | Gnurdux | although it is more expensive |
| 01:44.18 | Gnurdux | yeah |
| 01:44.25 | Gnurdux | this is why i havent bought new ram |
| 01:44.27 | sluxor | so its worth more money |
| 01:44.37 | Gnurdux | because it seems absurd that ddr is worth like twice as much as ddr2 |
| 01:44.38 | sluxor | well like i said this G4 has a dual-CPU setup |
| 01:44.43 | sluxor | it makes a very nice media center |
| 01:44.46 | sluxor | especialy for $20 |
| 01:44.47 | sluxor | lol |
| 01:44.50 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 01:44.53 | Gnurdux | except |
| 01:44.58 | sluxor | VGA port mate |
| 01:44.59 | Gnurdux | for most media center stuff, dont you need DRM? |
| 01:45.01 | sluxor | before u even say it |
| 01:45.04 | Gnurdux | linux will kill that |
| 01:45.15 | Gnurdux | because everything's drmed nowadays |
| 01:45.17 | sluxor | You don't "need" DRM |
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| 01:45.24 | Gnurdux | yeah, but like everythings drmed |
| 01:45.26 | sluxor | O R'ly? |
| 01:45.34 | rob3r | somebody has a wacom device working? |
| 01:45.35 | Gnurdux | and nobody will ever port drm stuff to linux, at least officially |
| 01:45.51 | Gnurdux | im sure that there are plenty of cracks that work on linux for various schemes though |
| 01:46.01 | sluxor | Gnurdux: maybe not officialy but I tend to use debian-multimedia which isn't official debian I guess ;) |
| 01:46.13 | Gnurdux | and does it support drm?> |
| 01:46.15 | Gnurdux | i hgihly doubt it |
| 01:46.18 | sluxor | it rips the latest DVDs |
| 01:46.22 | sluxor | thats all i care about |
| 01:46.22 | sluxor | lol |
| 01:46.24 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 01:46.27 | Gnurdux | thats just CSS |
| 01:46.33 | Gnurdux | a drm scheme that was cracked long ago |
| 01:46.47 | sluxor | so what DRM stuff can't I play then? |
| 01:46.50 | Gnurdux | i think that its actually technically illegal to use libdvdcss or whatever it is in the US |
| 01:46.55 | Gnurdux | oh, you probably can |
| 01:47.02 | Gnurdux | just not legally, at least in the US |
| 01:47.08 | Gnurdux | although noone cares |
| 01:47.14 | rob3r | somebody has a wacom device working? |
| 01:47.16 | Gnurdux | but you cant play basically anything from the net |
| 01:47.43 | Gnurdux | sluxor, but look up the Digital Millenium Copyright Act |
| 01:47.54 | sluxor | Well I'm in australia and in Australia the law says: "if a device or software is used for the purpose of bypassing regions in movies or games it is legal, even if by doing so it circumvents a protection system" |
| 01:48.03 | sluxor | so you can legaly mod your console |
| 01:48.10 | sluxor | if it bypasses region-control |
| 01:48.23 | sluxor | thats just for example |
| 01:48.41 | sluxor | so if you get a piece of software that "can be used for piracy" it is illegal to pirate but legal to own the software.. |
| 01:48.50 | sluxor | as long as the software bypasses regioncontrol |
| 01:49.00 | sluxor | its a weird law i know |
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| 01:51.10 | sluxor | the law was introduced to allow imigrants to bring movies from their home country |
| 01:51.16 | sluxor | from memory |
| 01:51.34 | sluxor | instead of getting a message saying "sorry you're in region 4 now.. u need a region 4 movie" |
| 01:51.34 | sluxor | lol |
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| 01:53.07 | abrotman | doubts the message says "u" |
| 01:53.43 | sluxor | my bad "you" |
| 01:54.04 | sluxor | hey I tend to go on IRC from my mobile phone, and it's not exactly an ergonomic keyboard.. sorry |
| 01:54.22 | sluxor | :) |
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| 01:55.42 | Gigantic | uhm... do someone remember what +e is in irc? |
| 01:56.06 | zinx | Gigantic: freenode.net has a user guide or something that tells you what the various user/channel modes do |
| 01:56.09 | sluxor | exempt or event? |
| 01:56.10 | sluxor | lol |
| 01:56.18 | sluxor | depends on the IRCd |
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| 01:56.51 | sluxor | on austnet they have exempt mode so you have to be a channel op to join the channel |
| 01:56.56 | sluxor | if the channel has E |
| 01:57.05 | sluxor | or something along those lines |
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| 01:58.51 | Gigantic | oh ya... |
| 01:59.43 | sluxor | but the austnet IRCd has been exploited so many times |
| 01:59.49 | sluxor | none of the "rules" really apply |
| 02:00.04 | Gigantic | yeah, actually confussed usermode with mode |
| 02:00.23 | sluxor | now it's just the IRC equivalent of Myspace |
| 02:00.27 | sluxor | lo |
| 02:00.29 | sluxor | lol* |
| 02:00.54 | sluxor | any piece of spam is a love poem |
| 02:01.00 | sluxor | of some sort |
| 02:01.28 | abrotman | do you actually have a Debian question? |
| 02:01.55 | S-i-A | anyone understand this error ? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/83707/ |
| 02:02.24 | Gigantic | I come here to help not 4 help |
| 02:02.59 | Gigantic | S-i-A: eh... are you runing kdesu from a terminal? |
| 02:03.25 | Somni | Gigantic: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 02:03.53 | S-i-A | Gigantic: yes from konsole |
| 02:04.13 | Gigantic | S-i-A: open a new terminal and run: --------------------> Busco alguien DF |
| 02:04.22 | Gigantic | oops |
| 02:04.29 | Gigantic | hehe: run: kdesu -c kate -u targetuser |
| 02:05.03 | S-i-A | Gigantic: and? |
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| 02:05.18 | Gigantic | and type the passwd, that's it |
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| 02:05.36 | S-i-A | Gigantic: nothing happen |
| 02:05.58 | Gigantic | tell me you are in a X |
| 02:06.07 | S-i-A | what? |
| 02:06.34 | Gigantic | It must work, if not, ask #kde |
| 02:07.02 | S-i-A | Gigantic: thanx and that not worked |
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| 02:08.18 | sluxor | Yes I have a debian question. What is the easiest way to boot debian linux on a power mac G4? |
| 02:08.53 | sluxor | oh dw i found it.. hold C |
| 02:09.30 | karlpinc | What facilities does debian have for making self-signed apache certificates (other than raw openssl)? |
| 02:10.50 | abrotman | sluxor: i todl you like an hour agao |
| 02:11.00 | smacnay | how much benefit is there in running a 64bit processor right now? |
| 02:11.25 | abrotman | depends what you're using it for |
| 02:11.52 | sluxor | thanx abrotman |
| 02:12.06 | smacnay | abrotman, nothing amazing - every day use |
| 02:12.39 | smacnay | I am guessing that dual core is more bang for the buck and less hassle when it comes to running apps not yet ported to 64bit |
| 02:13.01 | Gigantic | just really useful for high performance apps, mainly scientific and stuff |
| 02:13.14 | sluxor | smacnay: dual-core processors on the x86_64 architecture are 64bit! |
| 02:13.35 | Gigantic | because ej, if a game is ported to 64Bits the size would kinda double |
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| 02:13.45 | smacnay | sluxor, I thought most dual core were 32 bit... oh |
| 02:13.54 | sluxor | smacnay: none are. |
| 02:14.00 | sluxor | all 64bit |
| 02:14.03 | smacnay | Gigantic, I won't be doing anything like that |
| 02:14.12 | abrotman | smacnay: if it's for a desktop .. i386 won't kill you |
| 02:14.16 | smacnay | sluxor, neat - didn't know that |
| 02:15.05 | sluxor | smacnay: no worries, even if you get a Pentium D, or a Celeron D, it's still 64bit. and yes you can install the amd64 port |
| 02:15.41 | sluxor | em64t = amd64 |
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| 02:16.37 | smacnay | abrotman, I am currently running an AMD Athlon and will be looking at a new desktop system in the next year or so and am wondering what to look at. Comes with being out of the buying market for so long (kids, mortgage, etc.). Where should I be looking? |
| 02:16.38 | mimcpher | i'd like a battery monitor or something on my gdm login screen -- anybody know if that is possible in any way? |
| 02:16.44 | sluxor | !x86_64 |
| 02:16.44 | dpkg | well, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. |
| 02:17.20 | abrotman | smacnay: looking for what? hardware? i can't answer that for you |
| 02:17.38 | smacnay | I am even thinking of a laptop if I can get decent performance and enough variety of ports for conecting things. |
| 02:17.40 | Gigantic | ah talking about that... what would you recomend the most for powersaving? Turion or Centrino? |
| 02:17.55 | abrotman | Gigantic: lesswatts.org |
| 02:17.58 | Gigantic | dunno what the Turion performance is |
| 02:18.02 | Gigantic | kk |
| 02:18.11 | abrotman | it might have some power usage stats |
| 02:18.42 | sluxor | Gigantic: Isn't the weaker laptop always the more powersaving? |
| 02:18.46 | abrotman | no |
| 02:19.01 | Gigantic | not necesarily |
| 02:19.26 | sluxor | all I know is to me anything with the "centrino" brand heavily underperforms |
| 02:19.36 | sluxor | if I wanted a good laptop I would invest in a macbook |
| 02:19.39 | abrotman | sluxor: do you know what centrino is? |
| 02:20.05 | sluxor | it's the mobile version of <generic intel> |
| 02:20.09 | sluxor | lol |
| 02:20.11 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 02:20.11 | Gigantic | macbook? |
| 02:20.12 | mimcpher | sluxor, the macbooks are "centrino" |
| 02:20.15 | Gigantic | pukes |
| 02:20.38 | abrotman | mimcpher: no quotes needed .. they are :) |
| 02:21.24 | dbmoodb | mimcpher: oh noes mac on intel ? who would have thought it ? |
| 02:21.36 | sluxor | no they're not, well they weren't originaly when released as intel macs.. http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/irony/macbook-pro-is-the-fastest-windows-vista-notebook-317060.php |
| 02:21.44 | sluxor | thats why the fastest vista notebook was a mac pro :) |
| 02:21.59 | Gigantic | I have a Mac runing in my VM using the x86 image :) |
| 02:22.08 | dbmoodb | Gigantic: "legal" |
| 02:22.22 | abrotman | sluxor: how the hell does that prove it's not centrino? |
| 02:22.22 | Gigantic | hey! research is always "legal" |
| 02:23.04 | sluxor | abrotman: macOSX has an opensource darwin kernel, correct me if I'm wrong but placing your own darwin kernel on a generic PC can't be illegal |
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| 02:23.25 | abrotman | sluxor: how the hell does that prove it's not centrino? |
| 02:23.45 | sluxor | abrotman: centrino's are cut down versions of the desktop CPU's to save power |
| 02:23.53 | abrotman | sluxor: WRONG |
| 02:23.53 | dbmoodb | sluxor: ah ? ......................... the kernel is not open last time i looked.... |
| 02:23.59 | abrotman | sluxor: just uh .. be quiet ... you've not a clue |
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| 02:24.33 | dbmoodb | no wait it is open. |
| 02:25.08 | dbmoodb | is the apple public source license a "free license tho" ? |
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| 02:25.24 | abrotman | dbmoodb: DFSG-free or just opensource free? |
| 02:25.33 | sluxor | I stand corrected. |
| 02:25.39 | dbmoodb | non dfsg |
| 02:25.40 | abrotman | more than once |
| 02:25.48 | dbmoodb | ? .... the dfsg-free version |
| 02:25.55 | abrotman | dbmoodb: opensource.org shows most licenses |
| 02:26.00 | Gigantic | abrotman: The site just mention Intel, nothing about Turion |
| 02:26.10 | sluxor | however placing an OS onto a PC containing open-source only code that is macOSX compatible in terms of running software cant be illegal |
| 02:26.12 | abrotman | Gigantic: sorry .. i haven't read it in awhile .. thought it might |
| 02:26.16 | dbmoodb | yeah according the fsf it is fine.. they don't recommend it - but its not dfsg compliant is it ? |
| 02:26.28 | abrotman | unsure .. but i doubt it |
| 02:26.29 | sluxor | just like ReactOS isnt illegal |
| 02:26.40 | abrotman | sluxor: this is #debian |
| 02:26.59 | sluxor | gets kicked down the well |
| 02:27.33 | Gigantic | haha lesswatts was actually created by Intel |
| 02:27.46 | abrotman | doh .. sorry |
| 02:28.50 | dbmoodb | btw i have to ask... i had an gpg key ages ago which i stupidily put as no -expiration. however, i have since generated and had friends sign (not many atm rofl-- most are not techy) my current key. is it possible to remove the old key without the private key or a issuing a revoke. because i can see the potential to abuse the gpg key service if one cannot get a false key removed. |
| 02:29.40 | abrotman | #gnupg maybe? if they're awake |
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| 02:29.48 | Gigantic | yep #gnupg |
| 02:30.09 | Gigantic | but once it is revoked, you should just publish the revoke in a keyserver |
| 02:30.14 | abrotman | dbmoodb: so basically you want to revoke the old key but not really ? |
| 02:30.15 | sluxor | alrite I'm off, thanx for your help guys. |
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| 02:31.02 | elik | Is there a way I can pass modules arguments as they are launched |
| 02:31.10 | dbmoodb | abrotman: no i want it taken of the keyserver. |
| 02:31.15 | elik | Would very much like to pass a rtap_iface arg to ipw2200 |
| 02:31.25 | dbmoodb | i don't have hte private or the revoke (asks on #gnupg) |
| 02:31.58 | dbmoodb | so theoretically if i make abrotman @ your email and then upload it ... you can't do anything about it |
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| 02:32.16 | abrotman | elik: /etc/modprobe.d/ ? |
| 02:33.13 | elik | abrotman, eh, ok, and what do I do there? |
| 02:33.33 | elik | abrotman, I first tried to find ipw2200 in there, but didn't brin up anything |
| 02:33.42 | Gigantic | dbmoodb: a key can NEVER be removed |
| 02:33.47 | Gigantic | not from the server |
| 02:34.01 | Gigantic | that's why you upload the revoke |
| 02:34.05 | abrotman | elik: so create the file .. |
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| 02:34.56 | dbmoodb | Gigantic: no no you missed the point. lets say i make a key for your details / email. it has no sigs on it but X person doesn't check that ... they post Y file on some site i get that file. you can't open it in anycase even if i don't know where it is. |
| 02:35.10 | elik | abrotman, even if the module is already loaded at startup? |
| 02:35.11 | Gigantic | dbmoodb: yes... lag... srry |
| 02:35.32 | dbmoodb | that's enough of this on here its offtopic |
| 02:35.33 | abrotman | elik: yes .. it's to pass options |
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| 02:35.59 | elik | abrotman, do I just create a file with the module name, and add rtap_ifac=1 to the file? |
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| 02:36.41 | abrotman | elik: look at another filein there for an example |
| 02:36.53 | Muffin | Hello. I tried to apt-get install mysql-server, and it fails to install. This is a brand new VM. |
| 02:37.06 | Muffin | Relevant line: Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
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| 02:38.40 | cast | morning |
| 02:38.44 | Gigantic | would look at the MySQL logs |
| 02:38.54 | Gigantic | cast: mourning |
| 02:38.59 | elik | abrotman, this directory is not very rich on my machine... I see it does modprobe other things, and it is executing shell commands, but can I pass argument to the current module being loaded? |
| 02:39.38 | abrotman | $ cat /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
| 02:39.38 | abrotman | alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 |
| 02:39.38 | abrotman | options snd-intel8x0 index=0 |
| 02:39.48 | abrotman | make sense? |
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| 02:40.04 | elik | yup, that looks like something I would need, thx |
| 02:41.01 | tview | where does iceweasel store its settings and addon information? (directory) |
| 02:41.27 | h3k | tview: ~/.iceweasel |
| 02:41.54 | abrotman | uh .. ~/.mozilla |
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| 02:43.09 | Gigantic | omg |
| 02:43.37 | Gigantic | The ~/.mozilla path is registered under the Mozilla licence |
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| 02:44.07 | \amethyst | it depends very much on your upgrade history |
| 02:44.50 | elik | abrotman, I just got a web page telling me how to do it, and then to run update-modules (on gentoo wiki).. but when I run that, I get a big no no, saying it's deprecated |
| 02:44.52 | abrotman | i don't have a .iceweasel .. what upgrade path makes that ? |
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| 02:45.25 | abrotman | elik: modprobe -r ipw2200 and then remodprobe it |
| 02:45.41 | elik | abrotman, and at next reboot, I'm fine |
| 02:45.56 | elik | abrotman, but what is wrong with uptade-module? |
| 02:46.12 | abrotman | dunno |
| 02:46.27 | abrotman | or i told you the totally wrong thing .. but \amethyst would have corrected me :) |
| 02:46.28 | elik | I thought you knew everything :P |
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| 02:47.12 | abrotman | i got you that far! |
| 02:47.35 | elik | works fine :P |
| 02:47.40 | Gigantic | I hate \amethyst |
| 02:47.43 | elik | ja ja, just kidding :P |
| 02:47.50 | Gigantic | He break my autocomplete |
| 02:48.12 | \amethyst | I don't think I've seen it use .iceweasel |
| 02:48.23 | elik | thx abrotman, again :) |
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| 02:52.39 | Gigantic | Thinkpads are so ugly.... |
| 02:52.56 | dbmoodb | Gigantic: your not in the hardcore metal are you ? |
| 02:52.59 | liable | i dont think so |
| 02:53.25 | abrotman | Gigantic: but they work! |
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| 02:55.17 | pothibo | I just installed etchnhalf linux kernel image and I want to remove it, do I simply remove the package and do grub-update ? |
| 02:55.17 | Gigantic | yeah... |
| 02:56.27 | pickcoder | grub should update automatically |
| 02:57.33 | pothibo | we'll see, I'll reboot |
| 02:57.41 | cast | you could just leave it and set the other kernel to boot in grub |
| 02:57.41 | abrotman | with no kernel ? |
| 02:59.09 | tview | I'm thinking of using rsync to sync up the entire home directory between my development machine and my laptop. Can anyone see any problem with this? What should I exclude? |
| 02:59.20 | pickcoder | too late |
| 02:59.22 | pickcoder | heh |
| 02:59.38 | cast | tview: if you're happy with 1 way syncing |
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| 03:00.17 | pickcoder | I suppose dpkg is ignorant enough to remove the only installed kernel |
| 03:00.26 | tview | cast, what do you mean? "one wy"? |
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| 03:01.33 | cast | well, contrast to unison |
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| 03:02.11 | tview | I was asking about rsync. I run it on both machines. |
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| 03:03.23 | tview | but I will look into unison too. But then the same question would stand. What should I omit? |
| 03:03.35 | cast | surely we can't answer that |
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| 03:04.33 | tview | ok. So you dont know of any directories which the system updates which are located in the home directory which might upset the system if used on two different machines? |
| 03:05.08 | cast | if its the same release of debian, it'll work fine |
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| 03:05.39 | pothibo | dpkg -r didn't remove the kernel... I guess I'll just change the order in the boot sequence |
| 03:05.39 | dpkg | removes didn't remove the kernel... I guess I'll just change the order in the boot sequence along with a pound of flesh from pothibo's body, then staples pothibo back up with a staple gun. |
| 03:06.01 | pickcoder | pothibo: use aptitude |
| 03:08.16 | pothibo | nvm I used dpkg --purge linux-image-XXXX |
| 03:08.19 | pothibo | it worked |
| 03:08.24 | pothibo | rebooting to make sure it worked brb |
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| 03:10.16 | pothibo | ? |
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| 03:12.28 | pothibo | good it worked and dpkg is calm :) |
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| 03:14.24 | Gigantic | SSDs are recognized just like any sata rite |
| 03:14.26 | Gigantic | ? |
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| 03:14.44 | tview | cast: so you could not see it screwing things up with, say, ssh host files and keys etc? |
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| 03:15.48 | cast | tview: you're syncing ~/, right? |
| 03:16.05 | tview | yes .. |
| 03:16.26 | cast | dont see any issues with ssh keys then |
| 03:16.43 | pothibo | Is it normal that after I installed madwifi and ran modprobe ath_pci, I have a sort of clone of my wireless card. one is wlan0 and the other is wifi0 |
| 03:17.03 | pothibo | when I run iwconfig only wlan0 is wireless capable |
| 03:17.54 | cast | pothibo: i have a vague memory, of that being the case |
| 03:18.49 | pothibo | cast: yes wlan0 is built on top of wifi0 |
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| 03:18.58 | pothibo | cast: just read it on google |
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| 03:19.29 | cast | been a while since i tried to use my neigh^H^H^H^H^H^wireless card |
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| 03:20.26 | pothibo | lol |
| 03:20.37 | pothibo | Okay... this is stupid... |
| 03:21.11 | pothibo | stupid card doesn't want to run mode Master |
| 03:21.52 | ariana | hi everyone |
| 03:22.02 | ariana | is it normal for a debian system to use 4mb of ram and thats it? |
| 03:22.21 | zeeble | no. not normal |
| 03:22.50 | zeeble | where is it running? a server? and how much RAM does the system have? |
| 03:22.52 | cast | ariana: i think you're reading something wrong |
| 03:22.57 | ariana | um how do i check from the server itself then because im looking at a little panel thing that says "4mb of ram used" it has 3gb |
| 03:23.11 | zeeble | er. do "top" |
| 03:23.14 | ariana | i did top |
| 03:23.14 | zeeble | or free |
| 03:23.23 | zeeble | top shoes 3mb? |
| 03:23.25 | ariana | and all it shows is a bunch of random processes and percents of ram all of them 0 |
| 03:23.43 | ariana | im kinda new to linux sorry |
| 03:23.46 | cast | look closer |
| 03:24.31 | zeeble | when you look in top, it will show something called Mem: xxxx total, xxxxxk used, etc |
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| 03:25.05 | zeeble | in your case, you should see Mem: 3XXXXXXXK, XXXXXXXk used, XXXXXXk free |
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| 03:25.09 | pattern | does anyone know if it's possible to make a midi keyboard generate keycodes/keysyms that X can use? |
| 03:25.12 | ariana | ok it says |
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| 03:25.25 | ariana | 3145728k total, 9300k used, 3136428k free |
| 03:25.26 | zeeble | now if debian used 4mb of ram and ran like it should, id be happy :) |
| 03:25.36 | zeeble | wtf. that is abnormal. |
| 03:25.43 | ariana | can you help me fix it? |
| 03:25.47 | zeeble | no |
| 03:25.49 | pattern | basically, i want to use a midi keyboard as a qwerty keyboard (if possible) |
| 03:25.56 | ariana | why? |
| 03:26.05 | zeeble | i dont know what the server is. and i wouldnt know what to fix |
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| 03:26.19 | zeeble | ask an admin who knows linux. |
| 03:26.32 | ariana | ok i just got this dedicated server |
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| 03:26.51 | ariana | i actually came here to ask how to secure it (firewall limit users processes and stuff) |
| 03:27.09 | ariana | and i noticed that the panel showed only 4mb of ram so i was wondering if that was normal apparently they messed up the install? |
| 03:27.35 | zeeble | it definitely isn't normal. is all i can tell. |
| 03:27.53 | ariana | all the process list shows is init syslogd cron sshd sshd bash top <-- thats what top shows |
| 03:28.06 | ariana | isnt there supposed to be other stuff? |
| 03:28.10 | zeeble | doesnt the "panel" allow you to create users, assign user disk quotas, set rights, etc? |
| 03:28.23 | ariana | no |
| 03:28.40 | ariana | it just shows the ips and the resources its using and allows me to start over the system again |
| 03:28.53 | ariana | i figured out how to add a user |
| 03:28.59 | pattern | or, rather, i want to write in ascii from a midi keyboard |
| 03:29.00 | ariana | adduser <username> |
| 03:29.10 | zeeble | heh |
| 03:29.33 | ariana | feels REALLY dumb |
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| 03:30.20 | zeeble | ariana: you might want to start out with a help doc from the people you rented the server from. maybe they have some server specific stuff you need to know. maybe it is a virtual server. but you need to read a basic linux howto - howto admin, etc. howtforge.com is a good place for howtos about different stuff. |
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| 03:31.13 | ariana | i read all the stuff they had it says its using openvz and it says they will do reverse dns if i submit a ticket....other than that nothing much was mentioned |
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| 03:32.09 | zeeble | ah. openvz is a virtualisation software. so there, the 4mb ram usage is possible. |
| 03:32.50 | ariana | ok so 4mb of ram usage is normal as long as its using whatever openvz is ok |
| 03:32.57 | ariana | feels a little better |
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| 03:33.10 | ariana | goes to look at that howtoforge.com site |
| 03:33.33 | zeeble | um. and goto the openvz website nd check how stuff happens there |
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| 03:41.57 | ariana | http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch <-- so i need to do whatever that says? |
| 03:42.05 | pothibo | jon___: you there ? |
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| 03:44.55 | aoeu | is there any software for linux that can interface directly with a digital camera, and take photos from it directly to a file? |
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| 03:46.45 | nmh_2Grajw | aoeu: I think that answer depends on the camera |
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| 03:46.52 | cast | like mount? |
| 03:47.18 | zeeble | mine works with gphoo |
| 03:47.21 | zeeble | er, gphoto |
| 03:47.47 | DanDare | i think hes talking about streaming data from camera, like it was a webcam |
| 03:47.57 | cast | has a lot of contempt for devices that don't show up as usb storage |
| 03:48.14 | zeeble | mine shows up as one |
| 03:48.24 | zeeble | just transfer the images, and use gimp or whatever |
| 03:48.40 | aoeu | i want to use an off the shelf digital camera as a webcam, like for surveilance |
| 03:48.50 | zeeble | ugh |
| 03:49.01 | nmh_2Grajw | aoeu: suggestion: use a webcam |
| 03:49.04 | aoeu | like buy a whole lot of digicams off of ebay, and use them to watch an area |
| 03:49.14 | zeeble | a dslr or one of those pocket compacts? |
| 03:49.17 | DanDare | first of all the camera must support this mode of use |
| 03:49.33 | aoeu | pocket compacts |
| 03:49.47 | aoeu | they have more resolution, and are cheaper to get than webcams |
| 03:49.51 | aoeu | and better lenses |
| 03:50.00 | zeeble | do you want to control the camera from the computer too? |
| 03:50.04 | zeeble | liek change focus, etc? |
| 03:50.17 | zeeble | or fixed focus compacts? |
| 03:50.24 | nmh_2Grajw | aoeu: you might check out machine vision or surveillance cameras |
| 03:50.25 | aoeu | just take a picture, like with a shell script |
| 03:50.44 | DanDare | well |
| 03:50.51 | DanDare | zoneminder is the software |
| 03:50.59 | DanDare | if you got the hardware to work |
| 03:51.16 | DanDare | get* |
| 03:51.37 | zeeble | sounds good |
| 03:51.45 | zeeble | maybe the software has a page of supported cmeras |
| 03:52.03 | DanDare | the software can work on whatever hardware |
| 03:52.10 | DanDare | that you can put to work |
| 03:52.29 | DanDare | if you get cams you will have to get video capture cards |
| 03:52.42 | nmh_2Grajw | DanDare: that is the point, he wants to use P&S cameras via USB (presumably) |
| 03:52.50 | DanDare | ok |
| 03:52.56 | DanDare | buand just one camera |
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| 03:53.03 | DanDare | so |
| 03:53.17 | DanDare | get some webcam that works on linux and zoneminder |
| 03:53.36 | zeeble | wouldn that mean a rather long usb cable? |
| 03:53.41 | nmh_2Grajw | already suggested. he wants "higher resolution" |
| 03:53.47 | aoeu | well most digicams are built better than webcams |
| 03:54.04 | DanDare | high resolution that works all in one trought USB |
| 03:54.05 | nmh_2Grajw | aoeu: is this for indoor or outdoor use? are you going to handle weatherproofing? |
| 03:54.07 | DanDare | what is that ? |
| 03:54.08 | aoeu | and they are cheaper for some reason, even though the markup on webcams is really high imho |
| 03:54.11 | aoeu | indoor |
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| 03:54.48 | nmh_2Grajw | aoeu: how large an area, zeeble made a good point about cable length between camera and computer. |
| 03:55.24 | aoeu | nmh_2Grajw, maybe 6 cameras total watching a convenience store |
| 03:55.33 | aoeu | watching beer cooler, food, pop, etc. |
| 03:55.33 | DanDare | heh |
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| 03:55.41 | DanDare | so you better get some capture card |
| 03:55.51 | zeeble | lol |
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| 03:56.31 | aoeu | right now we use cctv cameras, but the're pretty low resolution, and its hard to tell if someone's stealing |
| 03:56.35 | nmh_2Grajw | zoneminder looks like a need package, but the page talks about using v4l. |
| 03:56.44 | DanDare | aoeu, this one sounds nice http://www.aver.com/2005home/product/dvr/linux/dx5000/dx5000.shtml |
| 03:56.47 | zeeble | it would be fun to have these cameras powered up, and streaming via wireless to a point and then capturing all of this |
| 03:57.13 | zeeble | but. to watch a beer cooler at home.. dunno |
| 03:57.31 | DanDare | high hes cams to police 6 spots... i dont know if you can get cheap cams this way :( |
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| 04:00.28 | aoeu | i think ill just search google for a few days and see what i can find about this |
| 04:00.43 | aoeu | plans to sell this to other convenience store owners and make $$$ :) |
| 04:00.46 | nmh_2Grajw | aoeu: someone mentioned gphoto a while ago, since you are still looking to buy the cameras, you might check out http://www.gphoto.org/doc/remote/ and buy something compatible |
| 04:00.53 | aoeu | and get them to use linux |
| 04:00.57 | zeeble | now it makes a lil more sense |
| 04:01.40 | zeeble | that page looks perfect nmh_2Grajw .. |
| 04:01.48 | zeeble | it does have the digicams :) |
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| 04:02.20 | nmh_2Grajw | yes, amusingly someone else mentioned gphoto earlier, before I understood what aoeu wanted. |
| 04:02.30 | aoeu | nmh_2Grajw, thanks for the page |
| 04:02.39 | zeeble | yeah, me. i use it sometimes to browse images on my EOS 40D or powershot |
| 04:03.05 | aoeu | when it comes to seeing if someone's stealing, a 1fps 3mp image is much better than a 15fps 640x480 image |
| 04:03.11 | zeeble | its pretty nifty. but i didnt know it does remote capture :) |
| 04:03.32 | aoeu | thinks that more people will want this so they can spy on their hot female customers than theft prevention |
| 04:03.41 | zeeble | heh |
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| 04:04.21 | aoeu | how do i mount ntfs as writable? |
| 04:04.31 | aoeu | mount -o rw? |
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| 04:05.37 | zeeble | i mount it with mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/device /path |
| 04:06.21 | DanDare | its secure yet to record ntfs fs ? |
| 04:06.32 | DanDare | last time i checked i was not recommended |
| 04:06.39 | zeeble | it works for me |
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| 04:06.48 | zeeble | i dont write to my primary ntfs partition though |
| 04:06.49 | DanDare | and its why i still have fat32 somewhere |
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| 04:07.05 | zeeble | my external hdd is fat32 |
| 04:07.33 | zeeble | sharing thunderbird mails across OSes |
| 04:07.57 | aoeu | meh its not working |
| 04:08.06 | aoeu | i think ill just resize the ntfs partition and make a small fat32 one |
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| 04:10.22 | zeeble | maybe you dont have ntfs-3g installed |
| 04:11.06 | aoeu | i'm on knoppix |
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| 04:13.09 | spx2 | in GNU screen how do I store layout of the vertical/horizontal splits ? |
| 04:13.57 | dmoerner | spx2: put it in ~/.screenrc. it's all in man screen |
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| 04:16.24 | spx2 | dmoerner: no,not that,when I detach from screen,all my split layout goes to hell,and I have to re-make it |
| 04:18.26 | alloss | www:~# dpkg --install libc6_2.7-13_amd64.deb |
| 04:18.26 | alloss | dpkg: regarding libc6_2.7-13_amd64.deb containing libc6: |
| 04:18.26 | alloss | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.26 | alloss | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.26 | dpkg | i don't know, alloss |
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| 04:18.43 | alloss | www:~# dpkg --install libc6_2.7-13_amd64.deb dpkg: regarding libc6_2.7-13_amd64.deb containing libc6: |
| 04:18.43 | alloss | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.44 | alloss | =x |
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| 04:27.12 | Wyzard | allos: etch's libc6 does not conflict with tzdata-etch |
| 04:27.25 | Wyzard | allos: lenny's libc6 conflicts with tzdata-etch, but does not conflict with tzdata-lenny |
| 04:27.38 | Wyzard | allos: If you upgrade libc6, you have to upgrade tzdata too |
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| 04:29.01 | allos | ok |
| 04:29.21 | Penol | Could not find our custom GNU Screen configuration file |
| 04:29.21 | Penol | Aborting |
| 04:29.23 | Penol | ? |
| 04:29.25 | Penol | how to fix |
| 04:30.07 | dmoerner | Penol: touch ~/.screenrc maybe? |
| 04:31.43 | amal029 | check if you have /etc/screenrc, if you have that you can copy that into ~/.screenrc, but I never got this error did you give a -c switch? |
| 04:33.59 | allos | ./eggdrop: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.5.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 04:34.11 | Penol | allos: #egghelp |
| 04:34.27 | Penol | dmoerner / amal029 i still got the error |
| 04:34.50 | dmoerner | allos: do you have tcl8.5 installed...? |
| 04:35.15 | dmoerner | Penol: what if you do "screen -c /dev/null |
| 04:35.29 | allos | 8.4 |
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| 04:35.50 | dmoerner | allos: that's probably the problem, since it's obviously looking for 8.5 |
| 04:36.00 | allos | the last time that installed and operated! |
| 04:36.02 | allos | =\ |
| 04:36.06 | Penol | dmoerner: it worked on root but not the user sorcs |
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| 04:38.49 | klivian | Hey, I'm a new Debian user with a problem with aptitude on testing. In spite of the 'Aptitude::Install-Recommends "false";' in my apt.conf, aptitude wants to install recommended dependencies. Anyone have any ideas about how to fix this? |
| 04:39.30 | dmoerner | klivian: APT::Install-Recommends "false"; is what you want |
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| 04:39.40 | jeffspeff | is there any type of app that can clone a dvd, like in a raw format or something. make an exact copy; copyright protection and everything? |
| 04:40.12 | dmoerner | jeffspeff: dd if=/dev/dvd of=/whatever should work |
| 04:40.15 | Penol | dmoerner: it worked, but when i try to login to user sorcs i got Could not find our custom GNU Screen configuration file |
| 04:40.16 | klivian | Thanks, dmoerner, I'll give that a whirl. |
| 04:40.33 | Penol | dmoerner: it worked for root but not sorcs |
| 04:40.39 | dmoerner | Penol: you get that error on login? is it trying to load screen somewhere on login? |
| 04:40.55 | Penol | dmoerner: yeah thats the point |
| 04:41.06 | Penol | i want the user that logs in got redirected to xen-shell |
| 04:41.18 | dmoerner | jeffspeff: please keep comments in the channel. i have no idea if it would work for a ps2 dvd |
| 04:41.43 | jeffspeff | Oktane, thanks |
| 04:42.15 | dmoerner | Penol: hm you might want to just mv ~/.screenrc ~/.screenrc-old and see if that fixes it/check if /etc/screenrc is screwed up in some way |
| 04:42.44 | dmoerner | oh i have an idea. if you are restricting the rights of the user in this login, is it possible that they lack read privileges of /etc/screenrc? |
| 04:42.54 | jeffspeff | *ok, thanks |
| 04:43.08 | Penol | dmoerner: hmm |
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| 04:50.10 | cast | 'WARNING: Today [2008-08-28] new kernel version 2.6.26 has hit Lenny what causes some problems on the Eee PC. The developer team is working on the issue. You are better off holding off your installation and software updates until the issue is solved.' |
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| 04:52.15 | quentusrex_lapto | Hello |
| 04:52.52 | quentusrex_lapto | I want to create a private apt repo on my local network. Where can I find documentation on this? |
| 04:53.36 | zeeble | quentusrex_lapto: http://www.howtoforge.com/local_debian_ubuntu_mirror |
| 04:53.39 | quentusrex_lapto | I want to be able to mirror all of the official packages, and be able to selectively 'allow' the packages after I make sure they don't accidentally break something of mine. |
| 04:53.56 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell quentusrex_lapto -about pinning |
| 04:54.16 | quentusrex_lapto | I also want to be able to upload custom packages to my repo. |
| 04:54.31 | pothibo | I have a debian router with a wireless card, I can see my access point now but I can't connect to it... any idea on where I could look. I think this is a DHCP error.. but I don't understand how to solve it |
| 04:54.36 | quentusrex_lapto | dmoerner, I want to be able to pin the packages from the repo, not each individual workstation. |
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| 04:57.00 | quentusrex_lapto | How can I setup a repo that will let me manage which packages are updated? |
| 04:57.38 | enouf | quentusrex_lapto: why would you take 5 seperate posts to outline your needs, when one would've been much better? |
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| 04:57.55 | null | It's late and I'm tired but don't want to sleep so I think I'll dist-upgrade sid |
| 04:58.57 | enouf | !break null |
| 04:58.57 | dpkg | tells null how to replace stable with unstable in his sources.list |
| 04:59.07 | quentusrex_lapto | You're right enouf. I could have outlined everything in a single post. |
| 05:00.49 | dmoerner | quentusrex_lapto: you can set the pinning value of the repo when you set up your local mirror lower than your locally installed packages |
| 05:00.51 | dub | save on those expensive bits |
| 05:01.02 | dmoerner | just like how experimental has a lower pinning by default than sid, etc. |
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| 05:03.39 | quentusrex_lapto | My goal is this: I have 100+ debian workstations to manage. They are grouped into clusters of 10-15 each. I would like to be able to have a 'test' cluster that would update to the most recent debian package updates. And if the systems are stable and still work on my network I'd like to enable those official packages for the rest of the network. I'd also like to be able to test my own custom packages on this test cluster. |
| 05:03.39 | quentusrex_lapto | So I have to be able to have most of the machines on my network check one location of the apt repo for updates. and this test cluster check a different location. |
| 05:04.19 | dmoerner | quentusrex_lapto: we have given you the solution to your problem. set up a local apt mirror that you stagger behind the debian updates and pin it higher than the others |
| 05:05.07 | enouf | !pinning |
| 05:05.07 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning, http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html. If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 05:05.12 | quentusrex_lapto | would I need to pin each individual package? |
| 05:05.24 | dmoerner | no. pinning works with regexs so you can just pin to * from your local repo |
| 05:06.13 | quentusrex_lapto | What I'm confused about is how do I setup all the machines to look to my repo. And have only my test cluster able to update to a 'special' folder of updates. |
| 05:06.52 | dmoerner | i would set up all machines pointing to both repos, with one pinned higher than the other. the default would be to pin your local higher, and then the test bed would have debian pinned higher |
| 05:07.11 | dmoerner | once you are sure a set of updates is safe then just aptitude safe-upgrade -t stable to overcome the pinning |
| 05:07.13 | quentusrex_lapto | I'm also looking for a way to have some of the different clusters looking at different updates. Like I'd like to be able to group the clusters more specifically than just 'test' and 'non test' |
| 05:07.47 | dmoerner | sadly apt is not a vcs for updates so you might not want to try getting too complex |
| 05:08.00 | quentusrex_lapto | I might not of specified that I'd like my machines pointing to only my local repo. |
| 05:08.31 | debCarlos | hi |
| 05:08.43 | dmoerner | then just sync your local repo with debian when you know it's safe |
| 05:09.12 | klivian | A question on pinning: If I'm running testing and very rarely pulling packages from unstable, is specifying lenny as my default release in my apt.conf sufficient, or would it be better (safer?) to go ahead and create a preferences file? |
| 05:09.45 | debCarlos | Bogus8: This afternoon i saw a tornado !! In that twister movie :) |
| 05:09.50 | quentusrex_lapto | dmoerner, I thought there was a way to setup custom folders in a repo? other than the standard way of setting it as 'testing' 'stable' 'unstable' etc. |
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| 05:12.39 | enouf | there is, "main" "contrib" "non-free" |
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| 05:18.03 | quentusrex_lapto | enouf, but I want to create my own groupings... |
| 05:18.13 | quentusrex_lapto | such as 'accounting' 'sales' etc |
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| 05:24.13 | ariana | hi what is the command to get the dns servers the server is currently using? |
| 05:24.25 | ariana | or the file |
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| 05:24.40 | ariana | something with resolv at the end i think but i cant remember the beginning |
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| 05:25.04 | dto | how can I get xdm to just execute ~/.xsession instead of starting the "Last Session" |
| 05:25.51 | zeeble | ariana: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 05:26.10 | ariana | thank you zeeble |
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| 05:27.44 | Inc | where does apt-get log updates? |
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| 05:30.40 | \amethyst | Inc: it doesn't, but package installs are logged in /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 05:31.40 | pothibo_ | Hey, I have an AP created with my wireless card, I can connect to it.. I see that ipmasq gets the information when I try to ping the router, but the router doesn't send any information back.. any idea ? |
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| 05:35.08 | swirl_red | hi |
| 05:35.28 | pothibo_ | all the tutorial seem to use bridge instead of using ipmasq.. |
| 05:35.32 | Inc | why is it that I don't have to reboot after installing the latest linux-image? |
| 05:35.47 | Inc | \amethyst: thanks |
| 05:37.23 | swirl_red | hello need to know that folder I install some fonts ttf discharged, not the porn I want in my home because I want all users to use as do |
| 05:37.24 | dmoerner | Inc: you do. |
| 05:37.41 | Inc | dmoerner: I don't |
| 05:38.07 | Inc | 2008-08-28 21:02:48 status unpacked linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-22etch2 |
| 05:38.10 | Inc | 2008-08-28 21:02:48 status half-configured linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-22etch2 |
| 05:38.13 | Inc | 2008-08-28 21:03:03 status installed linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-22etch2 |
| 05:38.26 | Inc | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.26 | Inc | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.31 | \amethyst | Inc: you have to reboot if you want to use the new kernel |
| 05:38.49 | Inc | \amethyst: it's not using the latest kernel? |
| 05:38.54 | \amethyst | Inc: uname -r |
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| 05:39.16 | Inc | ahhhhh ok |
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| 05:40.51 | \amethyst | Inc: the only time it 'strongly recommends' a reboot is when the new kernel has the same version as the old one (the full version, 2.6.18-6-686), because otherwise you'd be running the old kernel with the new modules |
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| 06:07.27 | Jyzygzy- | how do i know if my ISP supports IPv6? |
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| 06:15.29 | nkuttler | snewp: default? |
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| 06:18.01 | jeremyz | allo |
| 06:18.38 | jeremyz | Im using an oddball OS and was wondering if anyone knew hw to query with apt-get to see what avaiable gcc packages exist |
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| 06:19.07 | jeffspeff | can dd output to a samba shared dir? like smb://jeff/g/ |
| 06:19.15 | vk5foss | doesnt find debian an 'oddball' os |
| 06:19.36 | vk5foss | jeffspeff: if its mounted. |
| 06:20.05 | jeremyz | its actually not debian :) its nexenta (opensolaris + debian tools... is that still debian? apologies if it is..) |
| 06:20.13 | jeffspeff | Oktane, thanks |
| 06:20.22 | jeffspeff | *ok thanks |
| 06:20.22 | vk5foss | jeffspeff: not debian. tried the nexenta channel? |
| 06:20.34 | jeremyz | jeffspeff: you could probably pipe it to smbclient |
| 06:20.34 | nkuttler | jeremyz: off topic. man apt-get, apt-cache |
| 06:20.50 | jeremyz | nkuttler: already did I didnt see querying in there but maybe i missed it? |
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| 06:21.31 | jeremyz | ok so whats the topic? how about how all the perl modules are broken with gcc 4.0.3? :) |
| 06:23.06 | jeremyz | drat i guess not |
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| 06:29.09 | NeoIce | whats a good way to convert AIFF to WAV? |
| 06:29.29 | tarzeau | NeoIce: using sox? |
| 06:30.00 | NeoIce | rad, thank you |
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| 06:36.17 | p1ngp0ng | when i plug in my headset, i hear sound from both the headset and the speakers. how do i correct this? |
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| 06:40.02 | sxp | hi, i need to install keepassx in debian, but it has not in the repositories |
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| 06:40.27 | bolt | sxp: apt-get.org or compile source |
| 06:40.33 | sxp | and i cant compile keepassx from de sources |
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| 06:40.43 | bolt | sxp: why? |
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| 06:41.42 | Slydder | morning all. |
| 06:42.13 | bolt | p1ngp0ng: if the soundcard does not use a hardware solution to do this, you either need driver support, or you need separate channels for the output (which you may have in your mixer). or simply turn off your speakers |
| 06:42.20 | Slydder | is anyone else here having MAJOR high load issues with swfdec when watching flash media on sites like youtube? |
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| 06:43.34 | Slydder | I can't even watch anything in flash unless I do a fresh boot and start ONLY the browser and make sure I don't do anything else while the video is playing. otherwise it starts stuttering like mad. |
| 06:44.06 | sxp | the install file says i need to run "qmake-qt4" or "qmake" |
| 06:44.21 | sxp | i was installed qmake core but the command not appears |
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| 06:45.46 | bolt | sxp: apt-file search qmake | grep bin |
| 06:47.20 | harpal | which program convert pdf files into doc file? |
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| 06:47.53 | p1ngp0ng | HDA Intel Alsamixer, and i can controll the volume with PCM and Front, i cant seem to seperate them tho |
| 06:48.15 | bolt | p1ngp0ng: then turn off the speakers :P |
| 06:48.27 | p1ngp0ng | laptop |
| 06:49.27 | bolt | harpal: not that I can know for sure, but you're converting a proprietary format into an even more proprietary format. openoffice *might* do it, but otherwise, i think you need a windows solution |
| 06:50.47 | harpal | bolt: ok. I think openoffice can convert it to pdf. not vice versa.I think I have to check windows solution |
| 06:51.34 | sxp | i see i need liqt4-gui package... for compile keepassx sources |
| 06:52.17 | sxp | this package does not in the repositories |
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| 06:52.30 | bolt | p1ngp0ng: then you need to google around and find some driver / kernel version with better support for your sound card, i guess |
| 06:52.40 | bolt | sxp: apt-file search qmake | grep bin |
| 06:52.48 | WormFood | I know it is off topic, but does anyone have a minute or two to test a web's speed for me (I'm in China, and ALL web sites are slow for me) |
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| 06:53.28 | NeoIce | wormfood: I've been getting a lot of complaints about routing through china being HORRIBLE lately |
| 06:53.55 | WormFood | web sites inside of china are fast for me (usually), but outside is horribly slow |
| 06:54.04 | WormFood | it seems to be slower than normal lately |
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| 06:55.19 | sxp | bolt: apt-file << command not found |
| 06:55.27 | bolt | sxp: then install apt-file |
| 06:55.36 | bolt | useful tool anyway |
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| 06:56.36 | WormFood | the web site I want tested is outside of china...which is why I can't get a feel for the speed of it :( |
| 06:57.39 | sxp | bold: the output of apt-file search... dont show nothing |
| 06:58.37 | bolt | sxp: do you have contrib and non-free in your sources? |
| 06:58.47 | sxp | yes, I do |
| 06:59.29 | sxp | in ubuntu, keepassx is ok |
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| 06:59.47 | bolt | yay ubuntu. |
| 06:59.56 | bolt | try stuffing this in there, then: deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 07:00.01 | bolt | with that in my repositories, I get: |
| 07:00.11 | bolt | ,-(bolt@bloodbath)-[0]-[0.47]-[Fri Aug 29 08:53:08] |
| 07:00.12 | bolt | '-(~)-$ apt-file search qmake | grep bin |
| 07:00.12 | bolt | libqt4-dev: /usr/bin/qmake-qt4 |
| 07:00.12 | bolt | libqt4-dev: /usr/share/qt4/bin/qmake |
| 07:00.12 | bolt | qt-x11-free-dbg: /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/qmake-qt3 |
| 07:00.12 | bolt | qt3-dev-tools: /usr/bin/qmake-qt3 |
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| 07:00.18 | bolt | qt3-dev-tools: /usr/share/qt3/bin/qmake |
| 07:00.24 | bolt | yeah, yeah, floodbot. nobody's talking |
| 07:00.26 | bolt | :) |
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| 07:03.14 | harpal | Hey How can i set that when my window start it plays sound and at shutdown time it also play another sound |
| 07:04.31 | bolt | harpal: your window? that would depend entirely on your windowmanager, i think. read the manual for it. |
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| 07:05.07 | harpal | bolt: I have gnome. ok |
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| 07:13.02 | sxp | bolt: i was modified my sources.list and i was update with apt-get update... |
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| 07:13.27 | DooMRunneR | morning |
| 07:13.28 | sxp | but, if i use apt-file search... always no show any result |
| 07:13.50 | sxp | when i use apt-cache search qmake... only qt3 packages i find |
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| 07:14.36 | GeekInThePink | hmmm. it would seem that swfdec is a piece of crap. getting rid of it and using the lib from adobe solved the high load problem perfectly. |
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| 07:15.00 | sxp | qt3-assistant, qt3-designer, qt3-dev-tools is all |
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| 07:17.07 | amal029 | apt-cache is searching the repos, after installing apt-file do sudo apt-file update |
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| 07:26.53 | snewp | when i tried to open a terminal window it gives me an error: There was an error creating the child process for this terminal. any ideas ? |
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| 07:28.40 | jon___ | snewp: an idea: find out why that happened |
| 07:29.46 | snewp | jon___: actually i messed up my init.d. Was trying to tweak my bootup but unfortunately i messed it all up |
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| 07:30.39 | jon___ | so the way to do that is to use update-rc.d |
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| 07:32.13 | jon___ | or tweak the stuff yourself, in which case you could create an undefined situation, and you'd have to document it in order to define it in order to find out what's going on in order to restore your installation |
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| 07:33.01 | amal029 | snewp: seems you ar unable to fork (bg) a process. There can be a lot of things which can lead to this. |
| 07:33.16 | jon___ | or, you could just restore from your backup |
| 07:33.29 | snewp | yeah i think so :) |
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| 07:34.48 | amal029 | what were you trying to do? |
| 07:35.11 | amal029 | change the vm/page-table? |
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| 07:36.48 | snewp | was just tweaking my init.d |
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| 07:40.36 | alcohol | msg dpkg backports |
| 07:40.38 | alcohol | errr |
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| 07:59.12 | jan__ | why cannot I change resolution to higher than 900x600 in KDE peripherals? |
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| 08:01.03 | jan__ | where are the resolutions now written, they are not in xorg.conf |
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| 08:01.40 | overlord-tm | hello |
| 08:01.50 | overlord-tm | where can i find zoneminder package for apt? |
| 08:01.55 | jetscreamer | you put it in yourself |
| 08:01.58 | jetscreamer | if you need to |
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| 08:02.04 | jetscreamer | same as old one |
| 08:02.06 | Scurz- | hey |
| 08:02.37 | jetscreamer | you might try defining the geometry better also, and xv &hv stuff |
| 08:02.40 | jan__ | this is bad, my old screen resolution got wiped out |
| 08:03.03 | jetscreamer | should be a backup of the old xorg.conf in /etc/X11 |
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| 08:03.13 | jan__ | yes, i have put the old one |
| 08:03.23 | jan__ | but its not changing |
| 08:03.47 | jan__ | should hte xorg.conf contain the monitor screen resoplution? |
| 08:03.53 | jetscreamer | mine does |
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| 08:04.20 | jetscreamer | 'theoretically' it shouldn't have to |
| 08:04.26 | jetscreamer | i find it works better with |
| 08:04.35 | jetscreamer | for me |
| 08:04.49 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/xorg.conf iirc |
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| 08:05.23 | jetscreamer | but that's me |
| 08:05.29 | jetscreamer | hwinfo --monitor |
| 08:05.34 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 08:05.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
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| 08:05.55 | Scurz- | Do you think there are strange things there http://pastebin.com/m1de741c5 ? Because the machie reboots fine but I can't log in with ssh, apache doesn't answer, mail too, but the machine pings... |
| 08:07.06 | jetscreamer | Scurz-: you mean besides the ext3 problem? no looks normal i guess |
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| 08:08.01 | Scurz- | jetscreamer: ok, strange |
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| 08:08.37 | Scurz- | jetscreamer: would you have any ideas why the server pings but I can't log in with ssh, apache doesn't answer, etc ? |
| 08:08.49 | jetscreamer | Aug 27 14:00:55 kaduma-hosting kernel: CPU: Hyper-Threading is disabled |
| 08:08.53 | jetscreamer | no i have no idea |
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| 08:10.16 | Scurz- | erf :( |
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| 08:12.26 | tview | I tried to rsync my main "desktop" with laptop - everything in my home directory. Why has the laptop not inherited the desktop settings? Are they stored under a gnome directory based on machine name as well as login id? |
| 08:13.09 | cast | i doubt it @ the later |
| 08:13.36 | cast | so the laptop ~/ is identical to the desktop ~/? |
| 08:13.53 | cast | [that may or may not be the case, depending what rsync options you use] |
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| 08:15.20 | tview | everything got copied except symbolic links. |
| 08:16.29 | jelly | tview: dot files? |
| 08:19.59 | tview | of course dot files and dot dirs. |
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| 08:21.30 | tview | I created a .gnome/hello test file to be sure |
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| 08:27.26 | tview | so the questions is, where are the desktop settings (e.g panel orientation, dekstop colour etc) stored? |
| 08:27.35 | vuyasid | Hello. Anyone know how I can check if I am a victim of the directional flag bug? I am using kernel 2.6.18.8 and just made the mistake to upgrade to lenny, before noticing it is compiled with gcc 4.3. Is there any way to check if I am affected by th ebug? |
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| 08:27.44 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 08:27.51 | tview | cast: following your advice, my laptop install menus were all wiped out too. So its seems its not ok to do a blanket rsync. |
| 08:28.19 | tview | I dont know how or why that would have happened mind oyu. |
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| 08:31.24 | jetscreamer | vuyasid: did it break? |
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| 08:31.27 | vuyasid | Like, a source code I can compile and see if crashes. Or a debian command to run... |
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| 08:31.53 | vuyasid | jetscreamer: Well, the last I experienced the bug, it doesn't break anything, just causes random crashes. |
| 08:32.44 | vuyasid | Well, not exactly random, but random from reproduction standpoint, when there is no time to test much. |
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| 08:35.03 | S-i-A | morgen alle |
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| 08:38.06 | vuyasid | I need an example of a program that's broken by it. |
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| 08:38.15 | vuyasid | Or a code snippet. |
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| 08:55.48 | tview | can I rebuild my gnome menus from what is actually installed? |
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| 09:03.46 | gypsym | hi |
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| 09:05.11 | gypsym | I'm trying to use .ssh/id_rsa.pub and .ssh/authorized_keys pair to authenticate on a redhat system from a debian one without asking password on the sshd I enabled RSAAuthentication yes |
| 09:05.16 | gypsym | PubkeyAuthentication yes |
| 09:05.21 | gypsym | but still asking me password |
| 09:05.27 | gypsym | any hint? |
| 09:06.02 | petemc | you created the key without a password? |
| 09:06.10 | k88 | would debian work on something like this ? any debian embedded projects that i can use ? http://www.digi.com/products/model.jsp?lid=EN&pgid=37&pfid=19&mtid=2070&amtid=2070&pm=Y |
| 09:06.20 | OpenTokix | gypsym: Ive had some problems with rsa-keys, I use dsa keys mostly |
| 09:06.48 | gypsym | OpenTokix: how? |
| 09:07.00 | OpenTokix | gypsym: ssh-keygen -t dsa |
| 09:07.15 | OpenTokix | gypsym: then you keep id_dsa and id_dsa.pub in .ssh on your client-machine |
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| 09:07.38 | OpenTokix | on the host you are trying to login, you put id_dsa.pub in "authorized_keys" in .ssh-folder on your account |
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| 09:11.24 | gypsym | ok let me try |
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| 09:15.07 | S-i-A | the system beep not disabled, i add blacklist pcspkr in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, but is worked !? |
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| 09:17.12 | Enigma | can anyone help my debugging a LVS with nat? |
| 09:17.23 | tview | cast: use use unison? I have fallen at the first hurdle. It tells me that "Lost connection with the server" and thats all it says. |
| 09:17.36 | tview | yet I can use rsync and scp with no issues. |
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| 09:26.54 | obnauticus | heh, what does this mean: groupadd: unable to lock group file |
| 09:27.10 | obnauticus | id eleted /etc/.pwd.lock and the error is still occuring when I try to create a new user. |
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| 09:34.04 | macsim`work | hi, someone knows where slapd look for the domain ? |
| 09:34.14 | ^shark_ | I have point of sale (verifone vx610 POS) terminals using SIM cards with GPRS capability, connecting to my windows 2003 server, I would like to monitor this traffic and read the logs remotely from my debian workstation, is this possible? and what software would I need to have? |
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| 09:36.05 | petemc | ^shark_: rdesktop |
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| 09:36.55 | ^shark_ | petemc: I want to monitor network traffic not remote desktop to a windows machine |
| 09:36.58 | kderr | what's the script that sets up runlevel linkages to init.d scripts? I forgot it |
| 09:37.19 | xingu | kderr: update-rc.d |
| 09:37.40 | kderr | xingu: thanks |
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| 09:38.10 | obnauticus | anyone ? |
| 09:38.12 | obnauticus | groupadd: unable to lock group file |
| 09:38.51 | xingu | obnauticus: what does fuser -uf /etc/group report? |
| 09:39.01 | obnauticus | nothing. |
| 09:39.08 | petemc | ^shark_: ntop does traffic monitoring, but it wouldnt work unless its on the same network |
| 09:39.36 | xingu | obnauticus: if you're feeling up to it, strace -f it and see what's failing. |
| 09:39.53 | obnauticus | :| |
| 09:39.55 | obnauticus | k |
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| 09:42.26 | xingu | ^shark_: http://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup/WinPcapRemote might be an answer. |
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| 09:43.16 | obnauticus | errrr |
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| 09:43.36 | NeoIce | anyone have ideas for when building from source fails to get ndiswrapper working? |
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| 09:43.51 | NeoIce | it at least detected my card, but then I updated the kernel. |
| 09:44.02 | obnauticus | wtf xingu it's not doing -o |
| 09:44.03 | obnauticus | :| |
| 09:44.13 | gypsym | obnauticus: it doesn't works with dsa too:( |
| 09:44.18 | Paul_UK | hi. anyone here experts using at dh_make ? |
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| 09:44.26 | obnauticus | i specify the -o flag on strace and it's not doing it |
| 09:44.27 | obnauticus | lol |
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| 09:45.05 | snikker | hi, "testing" and "unstable" have security updates? |
| 09:45.18 | NeoIce | snikker: only testing |
| 09:45.35 | jelly | obnauticus: -o somelog will log each process in a separate somelog.pidfile file with -f or -ff |
| 09:45.38 | snikker | NeoIce: ok, thank you |
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| 09:46.01 | jelly | obnauticus: er, somelog.pid |
| 09:47.16 | obnauticus | jelly didn;'t do it :\ |
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| 09:50.16 | xingu | obnauticus: at the risk of documenting a manpage, strace -o outfile -f groupadd ... |
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| 09:52.15 | obnauticus | xingu i read the manpage :\ |
| 09:52.18 | obnauticus | and i did do that |
| 09:52.24 | obnauticus | it creates the outfile, but puts nothing in it |
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| 09:54.44 | jeffspeff | i'm trying to use dd to get a disc image copied to a dvd... dd was originally used to create the image... however the problem is mounting the /dev/mydvddrive in read/write mode instead of read only |
| 09:54.52 | vedant | Hi, when I try to tunnel over ssh, I get the error message "channel 3: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed" in the ssh session. How do I work around that? |
| 09:55.43 | FiFouille | vedant: aren't you using a port < 1024 ? |
| 09:55.56 | vedant | nope.. |
| 09:56.08 | vedant | i'm using the port 3000 |
| 09:56.54 | earthling | i have some kind of conflict with my wireless card. put in sound card and for no reason it suddenly could not get an ip from the dhcp server so used the sound system on mb. then put in new grapics card and got had the same problem so went back to the old card. Any idea how to troubleshoot this? |
| 09:56.59 | FiFouille | is port forwarding allowed on the server you're trying to connect to ? |
| 09:57.19 | FiFouille | vedant: option AllowTcpForwarding in sshd_config |
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| 09:57.45 | vedant | should be |
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| 09:57.48 | vedant | lemme check though |
| 09:58.56 | vedant | hmm it's disabled |
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| 10:00.45 | vedant | ok |
| 10:00.46 | iix | hi im about to download debian i wanted to ask can i just download cd1 but does it come with a desktop /kde or gnome ? |
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| 10:01.06 | vedant | on another server, AllowTcpForwarding is not configured. But it still isn't working. |
| 10:01.10 | tralala | iix, yes cd1 has a desktop. I think it's gnome |
| 10:01.13 | vedant | I hope it's not no by default. |
| 10:01.23 | earthling | yes, i think it's gnome too... |
| 10:01.37 | iix | sweet |
| 10:01.43 | iix | can i get the link please? |
| 10:01.52 | vedant | Well, it's on by default |
| 10:02.02 | tralala | iix, www.debian.org |
| 10:02.10 | iix | yeh where abouts on debian.org ? |
| 10:02.21 | iix | ISO 9660 CD images ? |
| 10:02.32 | earthling | google debian mirrors, that'll find it for you |
| 10:02.38 | FiFouille | vedant: it is set to yes by default |
| 10:02.55 | tralala | iix, don't be lazy, explore the site |
| 10:03.13 | iix | sure which version mate lenny ? |
| 10:03.21 | iix | http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 10:03.29 | jeffspeff | i'm trying to use dd to get a disc image copied to a dvd... dd was originally used to create the image... however the problem is mounting the /dev/mydvddrive in read/write mode instead of read only |
| 10:03.51 | tralala | iix, lenny is still beta, if this doesn't bother you go for it |
| 10:04.12 | iix | but does that come with gnome tralala |
| 10:04.34 | tralala | iix, it does |
| 10:05.07 | earthling | jeffspeff: -o rw,users etc |
| 10:05.07 | tralala | jeffspeff, you can't mount a dvd drive read/write |
| 10:05.07 | vedant | FiFouille: weird. curl works with the proxy, but firefox doesn't. |
| 10:05.15 | vedant | it just returns a blank web page |
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| 10:05.42 | iix | [tralala] i cannot find the iso on the page http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/ |
| 10:05.54 | FiFouille | vedant: it maybe establish a connection to the ssh client but do not forward anything valid |
| 10:06.24 | tralala | iix, ok |
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| 10:06.30 | vedant | FiFouille: I am getting web pages from curl fine. |
| 10:06.38 | iix | ok |
| 10:06.42 | iix | ? |
| 10:07.29 | tralala | iix, there are many places you can't find debian isos - microsoft.com for example |
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| 10:08.07 | iix | ? |
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| 10:08.39 | iix | am i after "network install" (180 MB) |
| 10:08.56 | iix | whats the size of lenny cd1 with gnome and i cant find the link |
| 10:09.03 | tralala | !ig iix |
| 10:09.04 | earthling | iix: distrowatch and lwn have links to all the major distro sites for downloading. why not try one of them |
| 10:09.12 | tralala | !i-g iix |
| 10:09.28 | iix | ? |
| 10:09.32 | iix | i did.. |
| 10:09.35 | iix | i pasted it.. |
| 10:09.53 | iix | sorry for the "enter" hes link http://www.debian.org/distrib/ftplist |
| 10:10.28 | earthling | iix: i don't want to be rude or anything, but finding a link to a debian mirror to download cd1 is really not that difficult |
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| 10:11.06 | iix | netinst is it right ? |
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| 10:11.39 | tralala | iix, /msg dpkg ig |
| 10:12.01 | iix | debian-40r4a-i386-CD-1.iso 03-Aug-2008 23:23 645M |
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| 10:12.46 | iix | or debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 10:13.18 | earthling | iix: the first one |
| 10:13.20 | NeoIce | so if its my first time using debian as a desktop environemnt (laptop specifically) is there anything spiffy I should grab? |
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| 10:13.55 | vedant | FiFouille: configuring firefox in some weird way make it work. |
| 10:13.57 | vedant | thanks. |
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| 10:13.58 | nkuttler | NeoIce: gnu screen and a good term |
| 10:14.00 | iix | thanks buddy after i boot the cd i just install it and if it asks for cd2 i just exit then restart then i should have Gnome ? |
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| 10:14.21 | NeoIce | screen is my friend from the server world :) |
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| 10:15.35 | nkuttler | NeoIce: hm, what could you possible need more then? |
| 10:15.44 | iix | ? |
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| 10:16.13 | earthling | NeoIce: there's tons of spiffy stuff :-) i might recommend image viewers feh and qiv and screen capture scrot |
| 10:16.29 | nkuttler | xsnow! |
| 10:16.33 | tralala | gqview |
| 10:16.46 | amphi_ | unclutter ;) |
| 10:17.02 | tralala | conky |
| 10:17.07 | Paul_UK | hey all, im trying to compile imagemagick into a binary. i can install it from source fine, but when i do dh_make etc and then dpkg-buildpackage etc. it fails to build. im sure this is debian related. Here is the last important bit of the log. Scroll down to the last 12 lines for more specific verbose info : http://pastebin.com/m7462e223 |
| 10:17.12 | NeoIce | useless cool things that make my OSX install look lame :P |
| 10:17.36 | tralala | that would be compix |
| 10:17.45 | earthling | absolutely, compiz |
| 10:17.46 | xingu | http://plasticfs.sourceforge.net/ heh |
| 10:17.51 | NeoIce | yeah, I'm reading on how to get it working with xfce |
| 10:18.01 | nkuttler | amphi_: oooh, didn't know that one |
| 10:18.06 | earthling | i have it on my laptop, COOL.. |
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| 10:18.19 | amphi_ | nkuttler: very pleasant, I find |
| 10:20.25 | earthling | so, i'm guessing no one has any ideas on how to troubleshoot my wifi card conflict with my sound card and my new video card? |
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| 10:23.06 | MrWax | Hi, I have 6 html files in one directory, with which command can I move all these to .php in stead of .html? |
| 10:23.13 | MrWax | for i in *.html; do mv or so? |
| 10:24.17 | earthling | MrWax: check out mmv |
| 10:26.04 | tralala | MrWax, rename |
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| 10:26.44 | tralala | earthling, assign different irqs from the bios |
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| 10:27.36 | kgblolz2 | Hello Debian hackers |
| 10:28.07 | Blast_Hardcheese | jadh? |
| 10:28.32 | MrWax | tralala: how would that look like? |
| 10:28.37 | MrWax | getting errors when using rename in debian |
| 10:29.23 | kgblolz2 | Im looking for english native speaker to help with small problem. (checking the style of document). Its prety OfTopic. Anyone wish to help ? |
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| 10:30.35 | kgblolz2 | btw.when it will be next stable version of Debian ? |
| 10:30.39 | Blast_Hardcheese | English native speakers are rare here |
| 10:30.55 | kgblolz2 | Blast_Hardcheese, thanks |
| 10:30.58 | Blast_Hardcheese | heh |
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| 10:32.28 | iix | thanks buddy after i boot the cd i just install it and if it asks for cd2 i just exit then restart then i should have Gnome ? |
| 10:32.38 | tralala | MrWax, the way it's explained in the manual |
| 10:33.07 | f00li5h | meow |
| 10:33.22 | vmlinz | Is there any one who uses emdebian in a stable release?How to use unstable emdebian in stable host? plz |
| 10:35.13 | gypsym | OpenTokix: I resolved with a chmod 700 on .ssh |
| 10:35.39 | MrWax | tralala: I get all kind of weird chars in the manual |
| 10:35.46 | MrWax | I guess it are my putty terminal settings |
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| 10:38.26 | earthling | tralala: would an irq conflict cause dhclient to not get an ip address from the router? |
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| 10:40.31 | tralala | earthling, probably not. Does it work if you assign an IP manuallly? |
| 10:41.16 | jon___ | irq conflicts could cause the machine to not boot, or to freeze |
| 10:41.55 | jon___ | or for the devices that share the nonsharable irq number to both fail (temporarily) |
| 10:42.07 | gypsym | hi, why on redhat there is not the command visudo? |
| 10:42.40 | jon___ | wahtsaredhat? |
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| 10:42.44 | earthling | ic, i'm at work now so will have to try that when i get home.. |
| 10:42.45 | tralala | gypsym, because redhat is not debian |
| 10:43.06 | jon___ | gypsym: maybe there are people who know here... maybe not. |
| 10:43.08 | gypsym | someone knows how to add sudoers rules in redhat |
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| 10:43.20 | tralala | gypsym, #redhat perhaps |
| 10:43.29 | gypsym | I know I tried to ask in channel #redhat but no one replied |
| 10:43.30 | gypsym | :) |
| 10:43.38 | jon___ | gypsym: maybe there are people who know here... maybe not. that's definitely not a question #debian handles |
| 10:43.40 | tralala | !theydontknow |
| 10:43.41 | gypsym | maybe here there is much more audience |
| 10:43.49 | tralala | !they dont know |
| 10:43.51 | jon___ | so? |
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| 10:43.55 | tralala | bleh |
| 10:44.11 | jon___ | gypsym: that matters? |
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| 10:45.07 | gypsym | jon___: you can stop consuming your keyboard keys :) if no one knows no one will answer |
| 10:45.39 | jon___ | gypsym: /msg dpkg offtopic |
| 10:45.55 | earthling | tralala: sorry bout the delay, trying to work and do this at same time. Short answer... I don't know. havent' tried assigning a manual ip this box will be mobile and needs dhcp to get ip's at the host sites.. |
| 10:46.41 | tralala | earthling, well, before you can proceed with fixing the problem you'll have to locate it |
| 10:47.43 | earthling | tralala: absolutely... that was my original question. where do i start to trouble shoot some problem like this? it's a first for me. |
| 10:48.28 | earthling | i've been using debian for a while now and can solve a lot of my problems but this one is a first.. |
| 10:48.29 | tralala | earthling, identify what and when exactly is not working |
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| 10:49.15 | tralala | this means series of software and hardware tests |
| 10:49.16 | jon___ | earthling: what is the conflict between |
| 10:49.43 | f00li5h | where do I get this chastity-list package that squidguard refers to? |
| 10:49.44 | earthling | during boot, dhclient does not get an ip from the router if my sound card or the new video card i just bought is installed .. |
| 10:50.17 | earthling | when i go back to the onboard audio and the old video card, it's ok.. |
| 10:50.49 | jon___ | do you have builtin sound on the motherboard? |
| 10:51.26 | earthling | jon: yes and it works but i want to use a nicer sound card.. |
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| 10:51.42 | jon___ | did you disable the internal sound in the bios? |
| 10:51.49 | tralala | earthling, try combinations of old audio/new video, old video/new audio. Also make sure that when you add the new audio, you disable the on-board one from bios |
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| 10:53.08 | earthling | yes, i disabled the mb audio in bios before trying to use the pci audio card... |
| 10:53.09 | Orion_X11 | How do I make the rp-pppoe.so for my Wlan1 to load on boot time? I am upset of issuing pon dsl-provider every time that I want to access the internet. |
| 10:53.38 | jon___ | ok, do you have onboard video? |
| 10:53.48 | erpo | Orion_X11: Maybe get a router that handles pppoe for you? |
| 10:53.53 | earthling | no video on the mb (darn) |
| 10:54.36 | jon___ | ok, and if you put the sound card in you get the problem? (not the video) |
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| 10:55.27 | Orion_X11 | erpo: It used to load and I am in a single home desktop. |
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| 10:56.01 | Orion_X11 | erpo: But, since I installed the new debian testing. It does not any more |
| 10:56.29 | jon___ | Orion_X11: find out in detail, definitively why. |
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| 10:57.37 | tralala | Orion_X11, use interfaces |
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| 10:58.20 | Orion_X11 | tralala: do you mean /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 10:58.38 | Orion_X11 | tralala: I am using it. |
| 10:59.21 | Orion_X11 | tralala: Perhaps there is something wrong in my configuration there. |
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| 11:00.31 | jon___ | Orion_X11: you need to find out what's going on in detail... the question you just asked suggests you're not quite sure which part is failing |
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| 11:01.54 | tralala | Orion_X11, yes, I mean that, and yes, probably it's not properly configured since it doesn't start pppd automatically |
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| 11:04.03 | Orion_X11 | jon___: tralala: have a look in my /etc/network/interfaces in debian paste please. |
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| 11:04.18 | Orion_X11 | I have just put it there |
| 11:04.19 | jon___ | url? |
| 11:04.34 | Orion_X11 | http://paste.debian.net/15912/ |
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| 11:05.19 | jon___ | ok, that looks good |
| 11:06.55 | jon___ | now you should look at your logs when you try to bring up dsl-provider |
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| 11:08.52 | Orion_X11 | jon___: /var/log ? |
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| 11:09.01 | Orion_X11 | Which one? |
| 11:13.09 | p1ngp0ng | where do i configure which desktop enviorment to launch at boot? |
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| 11:13.31 | nohelphere | is there a specific logfile that tells what pts a user logged into via ssh? |
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| 11:14.33 | nohelphere | as i know who forkbombed my server |
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| 11:14.45 | nohelphere | just not which of the user forkbombed it |
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| 11:15.05 | cronjob | suddenly blacklist pcspkr doesnt work anymore, well ummod says pcspkr doesnt exist in /proc/modules but suddenly the case speaker system beeps came back, perhaps after some kernel update |
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| 11:15.22 | cronjob | does anyone know the real way to disable this |
| 11:15.52 | cronjob | it must be some other module not called pcspkr anymore |
| 11:16.05 | graytron | aybe pcspkr is built in now |
| 11:16.13 | cronjob | thats what i was thinkin.. |
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| 11:16.59 | Orion_X11 | jon___: http://paste.debian.net/15913/ |
| 11:17.12 | graytron | check "grep PCSPKR /boot/config* |
| 11:17.18 | p1ngp0ng | i just installed xfce, how do i change it so that xfce starts up instead of gnome at boot? |
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| 11:17.34 | josh__ | is there any way to stop fsck forcing itself after 22 boots or so? |
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| 11:17.44 | josh__ | Even if it is a great idea, i would like to know how to change it |
| 11:17.47 | nohelphere | hmmm |
| 11:18.07 | graytron | josh__: tune2fs |
| 11:18.12 | cronjob | modprobe -r pcspkr nada either :D |
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| 11:18.26 | cronjob | checks |
| 11:18.38 | josh__ | thanks graytron |
| 11:18.45 | josh__ | looks like -c 0 is the go |
| 11:18.46 | cronjob | returns 4 lines |
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| 11:18.47 | MrWax | does the unix commandline has some calc function? |
| 11:18.52 | josh__ | expr |
| 11:19.00 | MrWax | for example if I want to calc like 6 expressions with each other |
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| 11:19.59 | cronjob | ok um.. the only thing diff is for the last kernel update there is on additional line not found in the others |
| 11:20.12 | cronjob | CONFIG_PCSPKR_PLATFORM=y |
| 11:20.25 | cronjob | before that there was only CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR=m |
| 11:20.34 | cronjob | that must be the culprit |
| 11:20.40 | cronjob | thx |
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| 11:22.18 | yauri | could someone explain to me the process of building a newer version of a debian package? |
| 11:22.33 | yauri | miro is version 1.2.3 in the repo, i would like to try out version 1.2.7 |
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| 11:22.48 | yauri | apt-get source miro gets the wrong version |
| 11:23.15 | micols | anyone in here has a good killfile or scorefile for slrn? newsreader. |
| 11:23.27 | yauri | do i just replace the 1.2.3 to 1.2.7 and change the tarball and cross my fingers? |
| 11:24.11 | yauri | weird that debian has such a old version (sid) |
| 11:24.46 | graytron | MrWax: see "help let" in bash shell |
| 11:24.59 | MrWax | ok |
| 11:25.39 | cronjob | still not sure, i can do it from gnome sound prefs, but hmm... maybe that carries over to gdm too somehow, i know i was hearing it there too |
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| 11:26.35 | jon___ | yauri if a new version has not been uploaded, then either you build the source yourself or do that plus author the packaging |
| 11:27.12 | p1ngp0ng | is removing everything containing the name "gnome" in synaptics a good idea? :P |
| 11:27.29 | graytron | MrWax: and man expr as suggested by someone else |
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| 11:29.50 | _ZeuZ_ | yauri, download the tarball, configure, compile and install. |
| 11:30.07 | _ZeuZ_ | yauri, if you want to make a package, then give an eye at make-kpkg |
| 11:31.27 | _ZeuZ_ | yauri, for more info, msg dpkg about it. |
| 11:31.32 | _ZeuZ_ | Goes to the UN |
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| 11:31.39 | graytron | _ZeuZ_: isnt make-kpkg for building kernel packages? |
| 11:31.42 | yauri | so apt-get source does not do that |
| 11:31.43 | yauri | _ |
| 11:31.44 | yauri | ? |
| 11:32.01 | _ZeuZ_ | graytron, it serves that purpouse as it builds packages. |
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| 11:32.11 | jon___ | apt-get source gets -only- what the maintainer uploaded |
| 11:32.14 | yauri | ok |
| 11:32.17 | yauri | too bad |
| 11:32.18 | _ZeuZ_ | yauri, apt-get will get the source on the repos. |
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| 11:32.26 | yauri | so manually getting it |
| 11:32.29 | _ZeuZ_ | yauri, not necesarily the version YOU want. |
| 11:32.30 | yauri | is the way |
| 11:32.30 | jester45 | -b builds it |
| 11:32.40 | yauri | and the buildscript |
| 11:32.47 | yauri | do i have to configure it? |
| 11:32.55 | yauri | or can i use a old one? |
| 11:32.56 | _ZeuZ_ | yauri, man make-kpkg |
| 11:32.58 | yauri | ok |
| 11:33.01 | yauri | thanx |
| 11:33.07 | jon___ | this is for what? |
| 11:33.14 | jon___ | a kernel? |
| 11:33.18 | jon___ | or something else? |
| 11:33.28 | _ZeuZ_ | This ain't MSN/WLM/whatever Messenger client so write like god demands |
| 11:33.29 | yauri | what pkg is that in? |
| 11:33.41 | yauri | god? |
| 11:34.07 | _ZeuZ_ | jon___, make-kpkg builds packages, not only kernel, you can build anything into a package for deploying it later. |
| 11:34.07 | yauri | what is MSN/WLM? |
| 11:34.11 | jon___ | yeah, off your high horse _ZeuZ_ :P |
| 11:34.13 | _ZeuZ_ | bleh |
| 11:34.15 | yauri | do you believe in god? |
| 11:34.21 | _ZeuZ_ | me is away |
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| 11:34.25 | Toman__ | I have a dual head setup on debian testing using nvidia drivers and latest debian kde. Since yesterday I've had a problem where kwin doesn't start on the second head, so I get no window decorations. If I remove ksmserverrc, it will start properly, but after logging out and in, it doesn't start again. Any ideas? |
| 11:34.27 | yauri | godboy |
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| 11:34.38 | jon___ | or here's a better question: does god believe in you? |
| 11:34.42 | yauri | _ZeuZ_: i will call you flanders from now on |
| 11:34.52 | yauri | what is this god you speak about human |
| 11:34.53 | _ZeuZ_ | yauri, i will only tell you RTFM then |
| 11:35.04 | yauri | RTFM is not profanity |
| 11:35.06 | _ZeuZ_ | Ignores the idiot |
| 11:35.10 | yauri | i kinda like RTFM |
| 11:35.19 | yauri | manuals are fun |
| 11:35.30 | yauri | but i cannot find the make-kpkg binary though |
| 11:35.34 | jon___ | so is this a kernel you're compiling or not? |
| 11:35.47 | jon___ | it's in kernel-package |
| 11:35.54 | yauri | ok |
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| 11:35.56 | yauri | cool |
| 11:35.58 | yauri | no |
| 11:35.59 | yauri | its not |
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| 11:36.17 | yauri | stupid miro is crashing so i figured i would try the newst package |
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| 11:36.41 | yauri | and i realize the pkg in the repo is 1.2.3 and the current one is 1.2.7 |
| 11:36.46 | yauri | kinda outdated (sid) |
| 11:36.47 | jon___ | ok, then you would only be able to use make-kpkg as an idea generator and then only when you're looking at the source |
| 11:36.49 | energY_ | What package for etch would give me something a bit like cpanel? |
| 11:37.00 | cast | !webmin |
| 11:37.00 | dpkg | [webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 11:37.04 | yauri | ideagenerator? |
| 11:37.11 | cast | is that like, the same thing |
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| 11:37.24 | yauri | what i want is just to build the package for 1.2.7 so i can use apt-get |
| 11:37.28 | PriitM | Has anyone else noticed that in past few days netinstalls/upgrades some debian lenny systems crash while loading inittab services on booting? I've done several netinstalls and they all seem to crash somewhere between MTA, hald and cups loading. Works perfectly in single-user mode though.. |
| 11:37.29 | jon___ | it won't build the package for you (unless it's a kernel) |
| 11:37.47 | energY_ | cast: Not like webmin... |
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| 11:38.02 | yauri | why did he give me crap advice then |
| 11:38.16 | yauri | im gonna try it though |
| 11:38.19 | jon___ | maybe you can get ideas off it... |
| 11:38.30 | jon___ | I dunno tho |
| 11:38.39 | cast | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_panel_(Web_hosting) i guess |
| 11:38.46 | yauri | i dont want ideas i want to compile the package |
| 11:38.54 | yauri | so i can install it with dpkg |
| 11:39.06 | yauri | how would i do that |
| 11:39.09 | energY_ | Yes, webin only configures stuff |
| 11:39.19 | jon___ | then you will have to learn how to package things |
| 11:39.24 | energY_ | It doesn't have a file editor, or mysql stuff. |
| 11:39.29 | jon___ | there is a debian packaging manual |
| 11:39.32 | yauri | yes i have packaged alot before |
| 11:39.36 | yauri | for other dists |
| 11:39.44 | jester45 | yauri, you can try apt-get -b if you want or download the source and read the README so youll know how to install it correctly |
| 11:39.47 | cast | !cpanel |
| 11:39.47 | dpkg | i heard cpanel is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 11:39.48 | yauri | ok i will read the docs |
| 11:39.56 | cast | well there ya go |
| 11:39.57 | jon___ | ok, perhaps that experience will apply |
| 11:40.03 | yauri | i just thought that since there are buildscripts for 1.2.3 i could reuse them as in the previous dist i used |
| 11:40.28 | MrWax | Hi, I have installed apache2 on debian, only the HTTP header that is sent is utf-8, and I would like to make it iso-8859-1, where can I change this? |
| 11:40.32 | jon___ | -maybe- those will work with the new version |
| 11:40.42 | jon___ | it's probably worth a try |
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| 11:42.50 | jon___ | but failing that, you'll have to find out why, which implies learning the build system the packager used |
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| 11:49.38 | SidGBF | Guys, we tried a chroot/debootstrap but it failed, can someone point me a detailed doc to see what we did wrong? |
| 11:50.04 | cast | in what context |
| 11:50.27 | cast | is this instead of using the install cd? |
| 11:50.37 | cast | or is this creation of a uml instance? |
| 11:50.46 | cast | how did it fail? |
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| 11:53.42 | SidGBF_ | Guys, we tried a chroot/debootstrap but it failed, can someone point me a detailed doc to see what we did wrong? |
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| 11:54.18 | p1ngp0ng | whats a good alternative to xmms? |
| 11:54.33 | petemc | beep |
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| 11:54.46 | cast | i use mplayer nowdays, instead of a gui media player :> |
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| 11:57.48 | nkuttler | p1ngp0ng: cplay, mpd |
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| 11:58.06 | jaggz- | anyone got a font-map (like charmap in windows) to display unicode chars? |
| 11:58.37 | p1ngp0ng | beep seems nice enough |
| 11:58.41 | p1ngp0ng | thanks tho |
| 11:58.56 | jaggz- | got one on the web.. but haven't found a debian package |
| 11:58.57 | p1ngp0ng | oh and, whenever i drag the audio bar in beep, it doesnt change the volume |
| 11:59.08 | _ZeuZ_ | jaggz-, build the package |
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| 11:59.24 | _ZeuZ_ | sed `s/build/compile/g' |
| 11:59.24 | nkuttler | jaggz-: what do you mean? |
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| 12:00.45 | scintilla | bye |
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| 12:07.56 | p1ngp0ng | removing gnome isnt such a good idea afterall lol |
| 12:08.34 | cast | i have gnome installed, but unused :> |
| 12:09.00 | p1ngp0ng | i removed it becuase i wanted xfce4, but then i lost alot of apps, like sound controll etc :P |
| 12:09.18 | cast | ahh |
| 12:09.32 | p1ngp0ng | thankfully i got a good connection, so downloading the 700MB isnt such a hassle |
| 12:09.32 | cast | just have both installed but only use xfce |
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| 12:09.44 | p1ngp0ng | how do you chose the window manager to use? |
| 12:10.08 | cast | do you boot into tty1 or X? |
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| 12:10.17 | p1ngp0ng | i used to boot into x |
| 12:10.20 | p1ngp0ng | but i removed gdm |
| 12:10.28 | cast | so you login and go startx? |
| 12:10.32 | p1ngp0ng | yes |
| 12:10.42 | cast | exit ~/.xinitrc |
| 12:10.46 | cast | edit* |
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| 12:11.02 | p1ngp0ng | cool, thanks |
| 12:11.22 | cast | add the path to whatever you want to start when you startx there |
| 12:11.26 | p1ngp0ng | lol, whats the key combination to get the little worm? |
| 12:11.34 | cast | [mine contains /usr/local/bin/starte16] |
| 12:11.44 | cast | little worm? |
| 12:11.53 | p1ngp0ng | yes the thingy before / |
| 12:11.55 | cast | oh, ~ |
| 12:11.56 | nkuttler | | ? |
| 12:11.58 | p1ngp0ng | yes |
| 12:12.00 | p1ngp0ng | lol |
| 12:12.07 | nkuttler | well, depends on your keymap |
| 12:12.12 | p1ngp0ng | norwegian |
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| 12:14.37 | Suprano | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.48 | Suprano | and yes i tried -9 |
| 12:15.07 | nkuttler | p1ngp0ng: try all keys, add modifier keys, repeat |
| 12:15.40 | p1ngp0ng | i have :\ |
| 12:15.57 | nkuttler | tilde ~ or pipe | ? |
| 12:15.58 | p1ngp0ng | what is it called anyways? |
| 12:16.29 | p1ngp0ng | oh lol, i figured it out by acident |
| 12:16.34 | p1ngp0ng | its the ins key |
| 12:17.42 | p1ngp0ng | is the xinitrc file supose to be empty? |
| 12:18.14 | joltcan | p1ngp0ng: There can be stuff in .Xsession instead |
| 12:18.42 | cast | it's empty if it doesn't exist ;P |
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| 12:19.06 | p1ngp0ng | well, both those doesnt excist on my system |
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| 12:19.20 | MrWax | Well, I really can't find it; Does anyone know how/where in settings I can change the HTTP Header apache2 sends to the browser by default? It is now UTF-8 and it should be iso-8859-1 |
| 12:19.54 | p1ngp0ng | MrWax: you sounds like a question for #apache |
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| 12:20.03 | p1ngp0ng | err, -you* |
| 12:20.07 | MrWax | p1ngp0ng: no response about it there |
| 12:20.26 | nkuttler | MrWax: i would guess apache looks at the file encoding, doesn't it? |
| 12:20.37 | joltcan | MrWax: google says http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-329301.html |
| 12:20.43 | p1ngp0ng | read some docs, or try and google for it |
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| 12:23.36 | mihkel | what happend to http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 12:24.03 | cast | http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
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| 12:24.53 | utb_diablo | :) |
| 12:25.10 | mihkel | The requested URL / was not found on this server. |
| 12:25.26 | utb_diablo | works well wiz me |
| 12:26.01 | joltcan | Doesn't work here |
| 12:26.20 | joltcan | ://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 12:26.24 | joltcan | oops |
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| 12:32.57 | EugenMayer | hello. Iam trying my microphone running. Intel HDA audio card. normal audio is working fine but somehow not the microphone recording. Can someone give me some help debugging. i think according to the alsa-mixer, i did it right, but iam not sure how to test it |
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| 12:35.28 | guiss | Hi. Since I upgraded to linux-image-2.6.26 on lenny, ath5k started working so I stopped using madwifi modules. The thing is that since then, ath5k module does not autoload and does not load however I put it in /etc/modules. Any clue? |
| 12:36.28 | StFS | hello, I'm trying to add a path to the python sys.path... what is the correct way of doing that? To clarify, I don't want to add all my stuff into the site-packages directory, I want to add my own path to the sys.path. |
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| 12:37.12 | jelly | guiss: have you blacklisted it before, when you had started using madwifi? grep ath5k /etc/modprobe.d/* |
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| 12:38.14 | torr | any hungarians heres? |
| 12:38.16 | tralala | StFS, put a .pth file in site-packages |
| 12:39.13 | guiss | jelly, there it goes, thanks a lot. It was blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi |
| 12:39.47 | abrotman | torr: i'm always hungry |
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| 12:40.27 | torben | re |
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| 12:43.34 | StFS | tralala: thanks |
| 12:43.41 | tralala | StFS, you're welcome |
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| 12:52.32 | milligan_ | I have run "crontab -e", and I have put in */1 * * * * root /root/milligan/cron.sh . cron,log says Aug 29 14:48:01 yoda crond[28479]: (root) CMD (root /root/milligan/cron.sh) . However, the stuff I do in the script, does not happen. also, I tried adding the same job, only to touch a file, and the log says: Aug 29 14:48:01 yoda crond[28477]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/touch /tmp/foo), yet, no file created. Abnyone know why ? |
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| 12:55.37 | abrotman | */1 doesn't make sense btw |
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| 12:58.19 | NeoIce | whats the best way to backup an entire linux partition? |
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| 12:59.17 | wintix | NeoIce: you could just copy it with dd. dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/some/file |
| 12:59.53 | Kingstone | i'm trying to build a debian package. i know a postinst is a script which runs after install, is there a way to run a specific script only after an "update" to the package? |
| 13:00.30 | tralala | NeoIce, depends on many things, e.g. how you need to restore from the backup |
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| 13:00.48 | Nyle | ahhhhhh boy |
| 13:01.08 | Nyle | good fucking morning people of the #debian |
| 13:01.11 | Nyle | whats kickin' |
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| 13:02.07 | fasttrack | how to create a new bridge interface? |
| 13:02.07 | fasttrack | the "auto br0" command? |
| 13:02.07 | fasttrack | any alternative command? |
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| 13:03.32 | fasttrack | got it.. |
| 13:03.32 | fasttrack | brctl |
| 13:03.34 | fasttrack | ;) |
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| 13:04.38 | NeoIce | holy crap, I've seriously tried everything I can think of, my macbook wireless sure is stubborn. |
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| 13:06.01 | abrotman | NeoIce: broadcom or something else? |
| 13:06.19 | NeoIce | yes. |
| 13:06.31 | abrotman | uh .. |
| 13:06.31 | NeoIce | bcm4328 in a macbook3,1 |
| 13:06.36 | abrotman | etch or lenny? |
| 13:06.51 | NeoIce | lenny |
| 13:06.55 | abrotman | and you've gotten the firmware required to make those little crappy things run? |
| 13:07.00 | abrotman | b43-fwcutter |
| 13:07.34 | NeoIce | fwcutter didnt work, the splimmed buntu driver didnt work, the driver off the CD didnt work. |
| 13:08.26 | abrotman | you need the firmware |
| 13:08.35 | abrotman | and i have no idea what a splimmed buntu driver is |
| 13:08.54 | NeoIce | slimmed* |
| 13:08.59 | abrotman | i use the b43 driver with a macmini (PPC) broadcom crap card |
| 13:09.07 | NeoIce | someone hacked the driver up to remove a bunch of crap they didnt need |
| 13:09.23 | NeoIce | that was actually the one that WORKED minimal before I updated the kernel |
| 13:09.48 | daemon | hey all, I have a slight problem with debian lenny(or etch); in reference to the drivers for either NIC on my Asus Eee |
| 13:09.53 | cvn | how do i find the last login of a user in debian? |
| 13:10.08 | NeoIce | try 'last' ? |
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| 13:11.44 | xingu | wonders what the debian-kernel stance on the whole "does -686- imply long noop" issue is |
| 13:11.52 | cvn | ah ok |
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| 13:12.36 | o2T7 | hi |
| 13:12.45 | suhbataar | hello |
| 13:13.32 | o2T7 | I have an existential doubt with apt ;) |
| 13:13.52 | o2T7 | I remove many unnecessary packages from gnome and kde |
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| 13:14.36 | o2T7 | checking dependencies and so. But when I do dist-upgrade, some of them are chosen to be installed |
| 13:14.41 | p1ngp0ng | thank god for usb headsets :D |
| 13:14.56 | p1ngp0ng | oh and beep is awesome |
| 13:15.04 | p1ngp0ng | just fyi mkay |
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| 13:15.36 | o2T7 | How could I know which are the packages that are requiring other new packages in the next dist-upgrade? |
| 13:16.12 | tourt | hello! I just installed a debian etch and I noticed that now I have Hyper Estraier.. |
| 13:16.40 | o2T7 | i.e., why is being alacarte package marked as being to be installed? How could I know which package is requiring it? |
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| 13:17.27 | tourt | I look for info about it, but I don't know how good/usefull it is. Anyone has some experience with it? |
| 13:17.46 | rdst | can grub boot system from /boot located in lvm dm_crypt? |
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| 13:17.59 | cast | no. |
| 13:18.53 | daemon | has anyone installed on an asus ee |
| 13:18.58 | cast | yes. |
| 13:19.03 | rdst | please advice most convinient way for getting encrypt filesystem? |
| 13:19.07 | cast | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
| 13:19.09 | daemon | cast, have you got the image availible that you used for the installer |
| 13:19.25 | daemon | cast, it seems to instruct me howto make the installer on a debian system every single one of my systems is freebsd |
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| 13:19.58 | p1ngp0ng | anyone know where the beep skinn directory is? |
| 13:20.08 | cast | dd if=debian-eeepc.img oflag=direct of=/dev/<YOUR-USB-DEVICE> |
| 13:20.23 | cast | :) |
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| 13:20.43 | daemon | cast, from what i am reading.. I need to create that image |
| 13:20.49 | daemon | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/CustomInstaller |
| 13:20.54 | cast | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install#head-6d1cdcb7744857fc48c5b8d471bbae77c9457af4 |
| 13:21.05 | cast | yes, if you want to create your own installer, you dont want to do that |
| 13:21.23 | daemon | ah I see |
| 13:22.11 | daemon | thank you cast didnt read far enough down the page it seems ;) |
| 13:23.51 | daemon | cast, if I wanted to make a bootable dvd would I need to do anything special with that img |
| 13:24.19 | cast | unsure |
| 13:24.26 | p1ngp0ng | so no one knows where i put the skins for beep? |
| 13:24.30 | p1ngp0ng | :\ |
| 13:24.37 | daemon | cast, the one usb disk I have is a slimeline 120Gb bus powered hard disk, which I intend to mount /usr and /var on .. for obvious reasons |
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| 13:24.48 | xingu | if someone has linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 installed can they quickly tell me if CONFIG_X86_GENERIC=y per /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686 ? |
| 13:24.53 | daemon | cast, I have an external cd/dvd writer that works for bootable media in conjunction with the asus eee though |
| 13:25.29 | abrotman | xingu: didn't die last night |
| 13:26.07 | xingu | abrotman: well that's good I guess ;) log rotation a suspect then? |
| 13:26.07 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.07 | abrotman | # CONFIG_X86_GENERICARCH is not set |
| 13:26.07 | abrotman | # CONFIG_X86_GENERIC is not set |
| 13:26.10 | cast | whats the obvious reason :\ |
| 13:26.14 | abrotman | xingu: i'll find out later |
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| 13:27.04 | abrotman | !ot |
| 13:27.04 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 13:27.24 | daemon | cast, 10k writes are not alot, especially when you need mysql and what not image all those read and writes ;) |
| 13:27.30 | daemon | imagine* |
| 13:27.32 | sobersabre | hi. is there a patch debs in Debian, I mean binary patches to existing packages. |
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| 13:27.43 | abrotman | sobersabre: don't think so |
| 13:27.47 | daemon | cast, is this the only image availible because it seems that it does not support my particular eee :( |
| 13:27.53 | cast | surely concensus is you dont have to worry about it on modern flash drives |
| 13:28.00 | xingu | abrotman: cheers; that ^^ sucks, it means that -686- won't boot on nehemiah (which means no debian support for smp on that uarch) nor will they boot on vpc2k7 vm's (per bts #463606) |
| 13:28.08 | daemon | cast, I think the Eee is still held by the law of 10,000 writes |
| 13:28.11 | abrotman | xingu: or make your own? |
| 13:28.18 | sobersabre | abrotman: and ... why is that ? |
| 13:28.52 | xingu | abrotman: precisely, yes; but given that the #debian response to everything is "hey that's not debian" these days, it's teh st1nkz0rz. |
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| 13:29.02 | abrotman | xingu: file a bug on the package? |
| 13:29.07 | pierre_ | hi ! |
| 13:29.09 | daemon | cast, the Eee in question is a 1000, nearest relative is the 901 which has a note that the image does not support it (on that web page) |
| 13:29.11 | abrotman | sobersabre: you want binary patches to existing binaries? |
| 13:29.28 | cast | do you mean 10000 or 100000 |
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| 13:29.34 | pierre_ | I have a DVD burner in a laptop I found... I dont have its spec, so how can I know what it can burn please ? cdrecord -scanbus says " 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVDRAM GMA-4082N' 'EX01' Removable CD-ROM " and no info on google⦠|
| 13:29.38 | xingu | abrotman: or add my gratitude to #463606 - the nehemiah bit is already in 464962 |
| 13:29.44 | daemon | cast, 10k for the writes, the model of the Eee is 1k (1000) |
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| 13:30.36 | cast | got a citation for this 10k value |
| 13:30.53 | daemon | Hmm not ff hand (common knowledge) let me just look it upo |
| 13:31.06 | o2T7 | How could I reduce this list?: http://paste.lisp.org/display/66060 |
| 13:31.44 | daemon | http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:IGCXpk0hve4J:www.corsairmemory.com/_faq/FAQ_flash_drive_wear_leveling.pdf+flash+devices+10000+writes&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=uk |
| 13:31.45 | daemon | cast, ^ |
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| 13:32.06 | tralala | o2T7, disable installation of recommended packages |
| 13:32.25 | cast | well, thats saying 10k *or* 100k |
| 13:32.51 | o2T7 | tralala: fine, I'll search for that option |
| 13:32.52 | daemon | cast, indeed; I accepted 10k cause last time I chatted about this some time mid-2000 it was 10k only ;) |
| 13:33.05 | abrotman | xingu: seems to be a total failure |
| 13:33.05 | o2T7 | tralala: I thought that It wan't enabled by default |
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| 13:33.20 | tralala | o2T7, it is in lenny iinm |
| 13:33.39 | cast | hmm, on that page, regarding the flash GT drives, 'With these, one can write over 210 GBytes of data to the drive each day, for ten years!' |
| 13:33.49 | cast | yay. |
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| 13:34.20 | cast | in summary, i'm still skeptical you have to worry about wearing out the flash, in light of the high number of writes required and wear leveling |
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| 13:35.24 | pierre_ | anyone can help me please ? |
| 13:35.48 | abrotman | it's a DVD burner |
| 13:35.50 | daemon | cast, still even though the Eee 1000 comes with 40G of space, split over two drives 10/30 that really is not enough space for anything decent. the slimline usb drive is very handy and small/discreet enough to use on the go (im considering dual booting this system also) |
| 13:35.53 | tralala | pierre_, /msg dpkg ask |
| 13:36.22 | pierre_ | I already asked : I have a DVD burner in a laptop I found... I dont have its spec, so how can I know what it can burn please ? cdrecord -scanbus says " 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVDRAM GMA-4082N' 'EX01' Removable CD-ROM " and no info on google |
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| 13:36.50 | cast | daemon: aye, but would it be better to put /home on the external? putting something essential to the system on the external seems like something to be avoided |
| 13:36.56 | pierre_ | abrotman: which kind of DVD ? |
| 13:37.01 | tralala | pierre_, why do you need to know? |
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| 13:37.08 | abrotman | uhm .. a DVD ? |
| 13:37.16 | abrotman | oh .. you mean like +/- ? |
| 13:37.26 | daemon | cast, I would assume /home was not essential as /root is on / |
| 13:37.32 | pierre_ | yes abrotman |
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| 13:37.46 | pierre_ | and DVDÂ RAM |
| 13:37.46 | xingu | cast: which is marvellous until you realise that the greater part of the average storage stack is allocated to read-mostly data _that never moves spatially within the filesystem_ concentrating write activity (and the associated wear levelling) within a much smaller amount of the store than might be assumed |
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| 13:37.57 | abrotman | pierre_: http://www.lge.com/products/model/detail/gma-4082n.jhtml .. google is not hard :) |
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| 13:38.56 | pierre_ | abrotman: oO didnt got it when googling thanks |
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| 13:39.19 | xingu | cast: wear levelling without garbage collection (that deliberately moves data to ensure that rewrite becomes uniform with respect to time) is nearly useless |
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| 13:39.55 | theom3ga | hi there. I'm trying to develop an analyzer like that of amarok or winamp under debian. I'm trying to do it using SMPEG, but looks like it lacks that feature (that of returning the state of all the frecuencies in a given moment). Could you tell me another library to do this? |
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| 13:41.00 | cast | xingu: hmmm, would JFFS2 get around this? :) |
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| 13:41.14 | daemon | theom3ga, I dont fully understand what you are doing so this may be wrong; however if you look at for instance totem it seems to haev a waveform analyzer for drawing pretty paterns with Goom may be worth checking out what it is using |
| 13:41.30 | cast | wonders how usuable that FS is |
| 13:41.50 | daemon | cast, I would happily check it out if you could help me get debian installed on my eee ;) |
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| 13:42.09 | p1ngp0ng | eee? |
| 13:42.12 | p1ngp0ng | whats that? |
| 13:42.18 | daemon | p1ngp0ng, little laptop |
| 13:42.18 | theom3ga | daemon, thanks for the clue. I looked at the amarok source code and looks like it uses the xine engine, but I thought there would be something simpler. I'll take a look at goom |
| 13:42.35 | SamuraiDio | !paste |
| 13:42.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 13:42.36 | p1ngp0ng | oh those new laptops with 10" monitors and whatnot |
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| 13:42.55 | daemon | p1ngp0ng, http://uk.insight.com/apps/productpresentation/index.php?product_id=ASUYA05ZOJ&nbs_search=LP%3D%26HP%3D%26C%3D102%26lang%3Den-gb%26S%3D1015%26M%3DASU%26OK%3Deee%2B1000%26K%3Dasus%2Beee%26x%3D0%26y%3D0 |
| 13:42.58 | daemon | yep |
| 13:43.27 | p1ngp0ng | yeh those are neat |
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| 13:43.39 | daemon | p1ngp0ng, there an asshole to get installed -_- |
| 13:43.47 | p1ngp0ng | why is that? |
| 13:43.56 | p1ngp0ng | you thinking about X whise or? |
| 13:44.01 | SamuraiDio | i'm having great problems with a package that can't be update neither uninstalled: http://paste.debian.net/15919/ howca i deal with this? |
| 13:44.15 | daemon | p1ngp0ng, although the debian wiki guys have helpfully provided an image to get it working on the 700/900 range mine is a 1000 which uses the same nics as the 901, no image availible -_- |
| 13:44.41 | xingu | cast: no |
| 13:44.52 | daemon | SamuraiDio, unsure about this with debian but can you forcefully reregister/install the package |
| 13:45.03 | daemon | it may uppdate the package database and fix whatever is causing that error |
| 13:45.14 | p1ngp0ng | daemon: i cant help you. sorry |
| 13:45.31 | xingu | cast: jffs2 doesn't afaik deliberately shuffle data out of (writewise) cold zones which is what's required. |
| 13:45.38 | SamuraiDio | daemon, neither 'apt-get -f remove' or 'dpkg --force-all -r' works |
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| 13:46.34 | xingu | cast: in fact the armchair statistician in me thinks that jffs2's circular log strategy might actually lead to a _concentration_ of write activity over the hottest zones of the device |
| 13:46.40 | cast | xingu: hmm, so is what you're saying, if a 10GB drive contains 8GB of data, when creating and modifying files there's only 2GB of space free to wear level accross? |
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| 13:46.46 | daemon | SamuraiDio, it seems to be failing in stopping dirmngr |
| 13:46.48 | xingu | cast: precisely |
| 13:46.51 | daemon | SamuraiDio, can you just kill it off |
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| 13:47.06 | xingu | cast: if you don't move the cold data, you make a bad problem worse |
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| 13:47.50 | cast | xingu: ahh, hmm, so a 75% on average full drive will die twice as fast as a 50% full drive, if i'm following |
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| 13:48.06 | SamuraiDio | daemon, # /etc/init.d/dirmngr stop -> Stopping DirMngr: dirmngrTerminated |
| 13:48.08 | Nyle | hey hey hey |
| 13:48.13 | dymon | Hello Gentlemen. I've booted from Debian-Live, and can't manage to find the setup button. |
| 13:48.15 | daemon | SamuraiDio, now try remove it |
| 13:48.18 | SamuraiDio | daemon, this works, but removal still not |
| 13:48.18 | xingu | cast: assuming it's 75% full with long-term read-mostly data; if you're talking a _swap_ device, it's another story entirely |
| 13:48.21 | dymon | can anyone help me? |
| 13:48.24 | daemon | SamuraiDio, hmm |
| 13:48.26 | Nyle | dymon, you wanna install debian? |
| 13:48.29 | daemon | SamuraiDio, same error? |
| 13:48.36 | SamuraiDio | daemon, yeah |
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| 13:49.08 | julian__ | i just began the process of dd'ing 0's t0 what i thought was a USB stick when in fact it was a 300GB backup drive i didn't realise was connected. dmesg now says "unknown partition table". what are my options for salvaging this? |
| 13:49.25 | Nyle | julian__, hahahaha |
| 13:49.34 | daemon | SamuraiDio, in that script that is is failing on print out "${INITDPREFIX}${INITSCRIPTID}" "${saction}" "$@" those 4 variables on seperate lines im assuming one of them is missing |
| 13:49.35 | julian__ | cheers Nyle .. |
| 13:49.37 | Nyle | julian__, sorry to hear that but damn... not much.. its rewritten with 0s |
| 13:49.39 | daemon | maybe saction is meant to be section |
| 13:49.43 | abrotman | !info mondo etch |
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| 13:49.56 | julian__ | Nyle: i stopped the dd after a split second.. |
| 13:50.02 | Nyle | hm |
| 13:50.04 | dymon | Nyle: yes, I want to install it |
| 13:50.08 | abrotman | !d-i dymon |
| 13:50.09 | dpkg | dymon, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 13:50.11 | Nyle | get a low level partition table editor and modify it yourself? |
| 13:50.23 | dpkg | mondo: (powerful disaster recovery suite), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.20-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 420 kB, Installed size: 1140 kB |
| 13:50.25 | julian__ | Nyle: can you reccommend one? |
| 13:50.25 | Nyle | i doubt you'll be able to though |
| 13:50.25 | abrotman | julian__: ^^ ? |
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| 13:50.26 | hulatang | I'm installing a deb package, is it possible also tell dpkg to install what ever dependencies are missing? |
| 13:50.31 | julian__ | ahah, mondo. cheers |
| 13:50.31 | SamuraiDio | daemon, after an aptitude full-upgrade (from debian lenny almost one year old) i had dependency errors with several packages, i could fix most of then with dpkg --configure -a, but now this packages prevents me of doing anything else (i can't even install other packages, cause dirmngr is broken, and apt tries to fix it every time) |
| 13:50.33 | daemon | cast, able to help me install on my Eee? |
| 13:50.35 | Nyle | but maybe, I'm not upto speed on data recovery |
| 13:50.38 | Batchy | julian__: how much bytes were overriden ? |
| 13:50.39 | abrotman | hulatang: aptitude -f install |
| 13:50.57 | Nyle | !mondo |
| 13:50.57 | dpkg | hmm... mondo is a full-featured backup/restore system with support for backup media CDRW, tape, NFS mount, etc - a complete system can be restored from bare metal. |
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| 13:51.03 | iix | i just installed debian cd1 with gnome then i went to upgrade which it downloaded around 400-500mb worth of files when i was done i reboot and i get to the screen where it asks for my username password i log in then |
| 13:51.03 | abrotman | we just covered that |
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| 13:51.12 | daemon | SamuraiDio, hmmm go have a look at the script see what is happaning |
| 13:51.16 | iix | my wallpaper comes up and no desktop |
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| 13:51.26 | iix | help anyonE? |
| 13:51.43 | SamuraiDio | daemon, what script? /etc/init.d/dirmngr? |
| 13:51.46 | tralala | julian__, how many 0s did you manage to write? |
| 13:51.52 | js_ | iix: try removing ~/.gnome* |
| 13:52.13 | iix | [js_] why ? |
| 13:52.14 | Nyle | julian__, I say make a backup of your drive, image it, and work on the iamge |
| 13:52.19 | daemon | SamuraiDio, lines 4-5 says the initscript failed trying to stop dirmngr |
| 13:52.22 | julian__ | Batchy: i dont' know.. |
| 13:52.23 | iix | [js_] how do i get to term ? |
| 13:52.29 | nkuttler | iix: ~/.gnome* and ~/.gconf, and rather move them somewehere else |
| 13:52.34 | daemon | SamuraiDio, im assuming that some script is being called and failing that is what the variables are being thrown out for |
| 13:52.36 | SamuraiDio | daemon, i'm looking |
| 13:52.45 | Batchy | julian__: dd should have told you this |
| 13:52.46 | nkuttler | iix: ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 13:52.54 | iix | i try'ed that nothing. |
| 13:53.07 | tralala | makes a backup of his drive |
| 13:53.27 | nkuttler | iix: please be precise. you tried what? |
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| 13:53.34 | Batchy | julian__: if you had multiple partitions on that drive, gpart can help |
| 13:53.37 | iix | ctrl+alt+f1 |
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| 13:54.02 | Nyle | http://www.mondorescue.org/docs/mondorescue-howto.html |
| 13:54.13 | Nyle | nowhere does it mention restoring a 0's out partition table |
| 13:54.14 | Nyle | ... |
| 13:54.29 | nkuttler | iix: well.. can you do anyting at all? |
| 13:54.34 | Nyle | where that information abrotman ? |
| 13:54.39 | Nyle | do you know? |
| 13:54.51 | abrotman | what? |
| 13:54.57 | abrotman | it's to rescue files ... |
| 13:54.59 | Nyle | 9.2.4. Modified partitions - Restore to a different disk geometry |
| 13:55.00 | iix | nkutter only shutdown via power button. |
| 13:55.02 | o2T7 | tralala: You were right, they were recommended packages and now they are not to be installed :) Thanks |
| 13:55.02 | julian__ | Batchy: there was just one.. |
| 13:55.11 | Nyle | abrotman, he 0'd out his partitioni table... |
| 13:55.13 | nkuttler | iix: ctr+alt+del? |
| 13:55.15 | tralala | o2T7, you're welcome |
| 13:55.33 | iix | [nkuttler] yup that doesnt work |
| 13:55.36 | abrotman | so he can try mondo |
| 13:55.38 | Nyle | abrotman, off a 320 or so gb drive... you want him to recover 320gb worth data? |
| 13:55.41 | nkuttler | iix: plug in your keyboard |
| 13:55.47 | Nyle | or can mondo actually reconstruct his partitiont able? |
| 13:55.49 | iix | ? |
| 13:55.57 | iix | read what i said before. |
| 13:56.00 | iix | i just installed debian cd1 with gnome then i went to upgrade which it downloaded around 400-500mb worth of files when i was done i reboot and i get to the screen where it asks for my username password i log in then |
| 13:56.04 | abrotman | Nyle: then you do it |
| 13:56.11 | iix | using apt-get etc etc |
| 13:56.18 | iix | keyboard works fine. |
| 13:56.34 | nkuttler | iix: so boot with init=/bin/sh and fix what is broken |
| 13:56.35 | quentusrex_lapto | how do I get debian to tell me what monitor is connected to my system? |
| 13:56.46 | nkuttler | iix: of use your install cd in rescue mode |
| 13:56.47 | iix | [nkuttler] how do i do thaT? |
| 13:56.51 | Nyle | abrotman, you don't have an answer. its ok. |
| 13:56.51 | nkuttler | s/of/or/ |
| 13:56.57 | iix | s of or ? |
| 13:57.03 | abrotman | Nyle: you gave him the same answer idiot |
| 13:57.05 | daemon | quentusrex_lapto, thats not debian thats X well more correctly. your graffics card using EDID detection |
| 13:57.09 | nkuttler | iix: no time, sorry |
| 13:57.09 | xingu | julian__: testdisk+photorec might be of some use. |
| 13:57.09 | daemon | quasisane, checkout xorg logs# |
| 13:57.16 | Nyle | abrotman, please refrain from name calling. |
| 13:57.23 | abrotman | right .. pot/kettle |
| 13:57.29 | Enigma | Where can I put the command that disables ip-checksumming during startup: ethtool -K eth0 tx off |
| 13:57.43 | tralala | kids, behave! |
| 13:58.03 | julian__ | xingu: i'll look into it |
| 13:58.41 | Nyle | grow up |
| 13:58.51 | quentusrex_lapto | thanks daemon, but is there a command line option to tell me the model of the monitor? |
| 13:59.00 | abrotman | mondo is likely his best choice from within debian |
| 13:59.01 | Nyle | quentusrex_lapto, xrandr might give info |
| 13:59.04 | daemon | quentusrex_lapto, not that I know bud -_- |
| 13:59.19 | Nyle | quentusrex_lapto, try xrandr -q |
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| 13:59.38 | tralala | quentusrex_lapto, see /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 13:59.53 | pred2k5 | hi, how to install a tun0 device? |
| 13:59.57 | pred2k5 | and ppp |
| 13:59.59 | Nyle | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1680 x 1050, maximum 1920 x 1200 Dell M993s connected 1600x1200+0+0 0mm x 0mm |
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| 14:00.09 | Nyle | I have a dell m993s |
| 14:00.11 | alkh | Hi all, anyone succeed installing linux on intel P45 motherboarD? |
| 14:00.13 | Nyle | eh |
| 14:00.17 | Nyle | freakin dell! |
| 14:00.26 | daemon | i wonder what mine shows up as |
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| 14:00.40 | abrotman | alkh: did you try etchnhalf or lenny? |
| 14:00.43 | hulatang | where is /dpkg/info located on debian, /var ? |
| 14:00.45 | daemon | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 240, current 1440 x 900, maximum 1440 x 900 default connected 1440x900+0+0 0mm x 0m |
| 14:00.55 | abrotman | hulatang: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 14:00.58 | daemon | yay for default screen |
| 14:01.03 | xingu | Enigma: if it were me, I'd use an interfaces(5): pre-up command. |
| 14:01.06 | Nyle | daemon, you didn't name em! |
| 14:01.08 | Nyle | ha! |
| 14:01.22 | Nyle | then open your eyes and look at your monitor, the one you're staring at |
| 14:01.28 | Nyle | it should tell you what brand/model it is |
| 14:01.29 | daemon | Nyle, its a screen ;) plus it really doesnt have a name... unless i take my laptop apart and look for the model ;) |
| 14:01.29 | Nyle | :) |
| 14:01.36 | Nyle | ahhh |
| 14:01.47 | Nyle | look up laptop specs or call the laptop people |
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| 14:01.58 | daemon | I think ill just name it 'default screen' ;) |
| 14:02.05 | Nyle | bah |
| 14:02.32 | quentusrex_lapto | (--) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on GeForce 7100 / NVIDIA nForce |
| 14:02.32 | quentusrex_lapto | (--) NVIDIA(0): 630i at PCI:0:16:0: |
| 14:02.32 | quentusrex_lapto | (--) NVIDIA(0): DON DENON-AVAMP (DFP-0) |
| 14:02.35 | xingu | daemon: if it supports EDID, it might be logged in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:02.39 | alkh | abrotman: neither, I'm not debian user |
| 14:02.52 | quentusrex_lapto | it's logged in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:03.06 | alkh | abrotman: but this kind of chip seems to require 2.6.26+ kernels |
| 14:03.08 | abrotman | alkh: do you want to install debian? |
| 14:03.10 | quentusrex_lapto | But it doesn't give me the model of my amp, nor the model of the projector that connected ot the amp |
| 14:03.37 | daemon | (--) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on GeForce 8400M GT at PCI:1:0:0: |
| 14:03.37 | daemon | (--) NVIDIA(0): Nvidia Default Flat Panel (DFP-0) |
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| 14:03.43 | tralala | quentusrex_lapto, grep Manufacturer |
| 14:03.48 | daemon | Ill have to rename it to 'Nvidia default screen' |
| 14:03.52 | alkh | abrotman: why not, firstly I want' to boot on a livecd to backup my data |
| 14:04.06 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 14:04.07 | dpkg | well, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 14:04.14 | quentusrex_lapto | I have a denon 2808cl with a BenQ projector... |
| 14:04.18 | xingu | daemon: http://john.fremlin.de/programs/linux/read-edid/ |
| 14:04.30 | daemon | xingu, this machine is freebsd ;-) |
| 14:06.04 | xingu | daemon: well there's your first problem ;) |
| 14:06.31 | pred2k5 | or #grml |
| 14:06.34 | daemon | xingu, Nah I used freebsd since redhat 4.0 was out ;) (obviously not on this laptop) the AsusEee I have is the first machine I ever tried to run linux on |
| 14:06.58 | xingu | daemon: nvidia-settings should also have the same info once you get bootstrapped. |
| 14:07.31 | dtcrshr | hi people, im making a samba share with a debian etch distro. I just needed to access a windows rpd terminal, and i only got it trhoguth its ip address. How do i set to debian translate the ips>hosts like the windows cpters? |
| 14:07.38 | xingu | daemon: again, all this relies on edid-sense; without it you're screwed; however if it's an lvds panel then the odds are about 99% that it will |
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| 14:09.33 | SamuraiDio | daemon, /etc/init.d/dirmngr stop && echo 1 |
| 14:09.42 | daemon | xingu, it works perfectly so im not 100% concerned |
| 14:09.48 | SamuraiDio | daemon, seens that the script is not returning 0 when stoping |
| 14:10.01 | daemon | SamuraiDio, ah ha :-) congrats |
| 14:10.11 | xingu | wonders what manner of borkage the kernel team have used to make rebuilding it ignore /etc/kernel-image.conf |
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| 14:10.22 | xingu | s/kernel-image/kernel-pkg/ |
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| 14:10.35 | Graveworm | Hi... It's me again :). I still have problems with my samba 3 on debian etch. Yes, I know. This is not #samba but nobody is answering in there ;/. So... It seems that my machine is ignoring file permissions for exact one directory. I've set the permissions to 400 but I'm still able to read the file with a user in a group via the windows explorer -> not the file owner. How is that possible? |
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| 14:11.38 | quentusrex_lapto | Is there a way to get the edid from the projector that is connected to the Denon receiver that is connected to my workstation. |
| 14:11.57 | xingu | quentusrex_lapto: ddc isn't routable afaik. |
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| 14:13.08 | daemon | xingu, you wouldnt be able to give me a hand with getting my Eee to work would you |
| 14:13.16 | SamuraiDio | daemon, yeah, but how to fix it? |
| 14:13.24 | daemon | SamuraiDio, return 0 |
| 14:13.28 | daemon | SamuraiDio, return 0; |
| 14:13.29 | xingu | daemon: correct. ;) |
| 14:13.44 | daemon | SamuraiDio, at the bottom of the script |
| 14:13.48 | SamuraiDio | daemon, ahh, there is already a bug report for it |
| 14:14.04 | daemon | xingu, :'| will I ever get this damn thing to work lol |
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| 14:16.39 | SamuraiDio | daemon, don't work |
| 14:17.23 | sobersabre | abrotman: I do want binary patches to binary packages. |
| 14:17.37 | pred2k5 | how to install ppp into kernel or is it part of debian? |
| 14:17.38 | daemon | SamuraiDio, can you paste the line where it needs the '1' returned and the previous + following to it |
| 14:17.39 | sobersabre | It would reduce download bandwidth |
| 14:17.59 | sobersabre | i.e. shorten upgrade times. |
| 14:18.10 | sobersabre | less data to download - less network overhead... |
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| 14:18.39 | sobersabre | and since debs are already signed, there's no new problem added. |
| 14:18.59 | sobersabre | abrotman: do you disagree it can be usefull ? |
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| 14:19.43 | tralala | I don't know any software that does binary diffs. I wonder if it's even possible to write one. |
| 14:19.56 | xingu | tralala: rsync ;) |
| 14:20.21 | xingu | tralala: or xdelta |
| 14:20.25 | SamuraiDio | daemon, i made as the bug report suggest (copied the stop action from another script) and dpkg -r worked, i'll try to fix the packages now |
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| 14:20.50 | tralala | xingu, okay, so it's possible :) |
| 14:20.51 | julian__ | abrotman: i'm trying mondoarchive now. is it possible to pass it a /dev/sdb (for instance) as the path to backup? naturally i can't mount this dd'd fs. |
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| 14:21.36 | julian__ | abrotman: it just seems to be sitting at 1% for some 10 minutes, hence i ask. the man page mentions nothing, at least that i can see. |
| 14:21.48 | SamuraiDio | daemon, everything is going fine now, thanks for the help |
| 14:21.56 | daemon | SamuraiDio, np sorry I couldnt help more ;) |
| 14:22.58 | SamuraiDio | daemon, you gave me the directions to resolve it ;) |
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| 14:24.22 | daemon | SamuraiDio, well np :) least its all working now |
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| 14:26.24 | xingu | compression is nearly always the wrong answer in the long term; if you assume that bitpipes are skinny and that compute power is cheap, you're hankering for a spankering. |
| 14:26.40 | abrotman | sobersabre: it would .. but less reliable i'd say |
| 14:26.47 | abrotman | sobersabre: didn't we cover this a few weeks ago ? |
| 14:27.01 | xingu | always optimise for lowest _latency_; you don't get to have the same picosecond twice |
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| 14:27.18 | abrotman | julian__: i'm sure it's doing a fair bit of analysis .. ti's 300GB |
| 14:27.22 | cast | tralala: rdiff :> |
| 14:27.26 | daemon | Ok is anyone able to give me a few pointers on building my own lenny installer with some custom drivers following http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/CustomInstaller as a base, I need to add the following driver: http://kunin.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/asus-eee-pc-901/ |
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| 14:28.46 | elik | I added a modprob.conf script for ipw2200.. when I created the interface myself with "echo 1 > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/ipw2200/*/rtap_iface" yesterday, it worked alright, and created rtap0.. after a restart, the interface created is name rtap0_rename |
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| 14:30.20 | Dantix | hi!!!, what can I do to kill a process if kill -9 fails? |
| 14:30.35 | elik | press the power button |
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| 14:30.48 | elik | or reset |
| 14:30.49 | xingu | elik: _rename is a byproduct of udev-based device renaming; check your persistent-net.rules. |
| 14:31.30 | tralala | is there a way to tell what's blocking a zombie process? |
| 14:31.33 | xingu | elik: from memory it happens if the solicited device name is already consumed (solicited name conflicts with existing at the time of rename) |
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| 14:31.37 | julian__ | abrotman: yes, i'll be patient |
| 14:31.48 | xingu | tralala: dtrace ;) |
| 14:32.13 | Deepa | !configmiss |
| 14:32.13 | elik | xingu, hum, device consumed? |
| 14:32.20 | xingu | tralala: zombie == stuck in kernel space, you'd need kgdb or similar shenanigans |
| 14:32.54 | xingu | elik: name is in-use |
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| 14:33.07 | abrotman | julian__: you've read the docs to see if it's at least possible it does what you want? |
| 14:33.09 | SidGBF | guys |
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| 14:33.31 | tralala | xingu, so the kernel isn't keeping track of this? |
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| 14:33.35 | SidGBF | We're trying to switch from centos to debian with chroot |
| 14:33.45 | xingu | tralala: actually try ps's WCHAN column |
| 14:33.51 | SidGBF | unfortunelly, by any reason the machine hangs when we reboot |
| 14:33.53 | kommodore | tralala: are you sure it is not the parent? |
| 14:33.57 | SidGBF | what may cause it? |
| 14:34.07 | elik | xingu, nut why it does that at boot time, and not if I do it manually |
| 14:34.17 | elik | s/nut/but |
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| 14:34.32 | cast | so...i know how to mount a partition image with losetup, but how does one mount one partition in a disk image with losetup? |
| 14:34.53 | xingu | tralala: ps -o pid,wchan,args -p somepid |
| 14:35.15 | tralala | cast, one doesn't. One uses mount -o loop,offset=XXX to do that |
| 14:35.23 | julian__ | abrotman: looking more closely i don't think it can help recover broken filesystems. |
| 14:35.31 | cast | hmm |
| 14:35.32 | tralala | xingu, thanks! |
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| 14:35.37 | abrotman | julian__: there was another that i've seen .. |
| 14:35.40 | xingu | I think the loop device was patched to be partition aware sometime, lemme see how all that works |
| 14:35.59 | elik | xingu, and is there any particular way of identifying the rtap interface? the address is SSSOOO very long |
| 14:36.12 | cast | tralala: oh, and how would i get this offset? |
| 14:36.31 | Nyle | julian__, I coulda told you that half hour ago |
| 14:36.37 | abrotman | then why didn't you? |
| 14:36.40 | Nyle | which I actually tried to and asked this dude too |
| 14:36.43 | Nyle | dude just shush. |
| 14:36.48 | Nyle | ffs. |
| 14:36.49 | abrotman | dude .. TELL HIM |
| 14:36.51 | elik | xingu, like 128 bits... kinda odd |
| 14:37.00 | dtcrshr | how do i set the terminal to use the coloured letters? |
| 14:37.02 | abrotman | i said 'best chance' .. if you know it doesn't .. tell him |
| 14:37.02 | Nyle | abrotman, no mr. expert, why don't you solve his problem |
| 14:37.05 | Nyle | been so sucessful so far... |
| 14:37.06 | abrotman | useless |
| 14:37.13 | Nyle | i know you are. |
| 14:37.20 | abrotman | julian__: Nyle will be happy to help you recover all your data |
| 14:37.22 | tralala | cast, by applying your google ski11z |
| 14:37.24 | xingu | tralala: losetup + blockdev --rereadpt + /sys/block/loop0/... |
| 14:37.25 | energY_ | abrotman: Is your computer clock correct? |
| 14:37.27 | Nyle | julian__, no I will not be. |
| 14:37.29 | hulatang | join #db2 |
| 14:37.33 | abrotman | energY_: it's 10:37AM here |
| 14:37.47 | tralala | xingu, eh? |
| 14:37.49 | pothibo_ | how Can I tell what is the madwifi version I'm using ? |
| 14:37.54 | xingu | elik: sorry, I don't use it (ipw2200 or rtap for that matter) |
| 14:38.10 | energY_ | I think my clock is worng, and forgott the name of the clock fixing program... |
| 14:38.15 | abrotman | energY_: i assume it's roughly correct |
| 14:38.18 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 14:38.18 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 14:38.30 | abrotman | http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Partition-Rescue.html |
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| 14:38.43 | elik | xingu, ok, but can I use this 128 bits address in the udev rules? and can I test udev rules without restarting every single time? |
| 14:38.45 | energY_ | ntp I think it was... |
| 14:38.48 | cast | tralala: oh, right :> |
| 14:38.50 | abrotman | ntpdate ? |
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| 14:39.07 | Nyle | julian__, I myself looked at mondo docs and concluded it was unable to do what you were asking, and I confronted abrotman's bad advice and yet you still ignored me and went with that crap |
| 14:39.11 | Nyle | have at it |
| 14:39.11 | xingu | someone ought to take adjtimex out of that hint, I've never seen it do anything other than wildly screw things up. |
| 14:39.12 | Nyle | I'm out. |
| 14:39.14 | Nyle | good luck brother. |
| 14:39.15 | abrotman | yay! |
| 14:39.18 | abrotman | no more Nyle!! |
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| 14:39.19 | xingu | but hey, maybe it works for someone |
| 14:39.31 | elik | Nyle, calm down man |
| 14:39.32 | Nyle | abrotman, no... just shitty advice from you. |
| 14:39.37 | Nyle | bye |
| 14:39.41 | SidGBF | Is there a way to simulate a boot to see possible boot errors? |
| 14:39.51 | pothibo_ | elik: I got everything working wireless and lan and dhcp and everything. Just need WPA to work now :) |
| 14:39.58 | abrotman | no more Nyle!! yay! |
| 14:39.59 | tarzeau | SidGBF: qemu? |
| 14:40.12 | elik | pothibo_, yeah, I saw your previous message about madwifi :P |
| 14:40.21 | daemon | Nyle, if you want to be respected for giving good advise out you can always advise me on howto create a custom lenny installer with custom drivers ;) |
| 14:40.32 | elik | pothibo_, honestly, I don't use WPA... |
| 14:40.44 | SidGBF | tarzeau: would it work in a chroot? |
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| 14:40.45 | p1ngp0ng | bluemon is the app used to connect to a cellphone isnt it? |
| 14:40.49 | elik | pothibo_, routers I use are always left on WEP, at most |
| 14:40.51 | tralala | xingu, okay, this wchan is nice, but how do I make sense of it? |
| 14:40.54 | tarzeau | SidGBF: dunno |
| 14:41.03 | daemon | p1ngp0ng, it sounds like a monitor for lbuetooth connections being 'blue' - 'mon'[monitor' |
| 14:41.18 | pothibo_ | elik: hmm Okay.. but WEP needs hostapd too ...and hostapd isn't working... |
| 14:41.30 | elik | pothibo_, oh, I see |
| 14:42.14 | elik | pothibo_, I might just be lazy, but I'd just drop the encryption and hide the ssid.. I know it's not very secure, but you can easily monitor to make sure no one connect... |
| 14:42.35 | elik | Is there a way to test udev rules without restarting? |
| 14:42.37 | p1ngp0ng | daemon: well, i cant figure it out. im trying to to send a picture from my phone to my computer. any sugestions? |
| 14:42.38 | SidGBF | Can anyone help me with this chroot/debootstrap problem? The machine is handing... |
| 14:42.49 | SidGBF | *hanging |
| 14:42.57 | xingu | tralala: it should in theory be the name of the kernel entrypoint of a given process (if you're lucky, it might go a bit deeper and actually follow its calling chain in kernel space); as to "how to use it" - it's informative-only; so (with source tree in hand) you might be able to work out _why_ the kernel is blocking there; but to dig any deeper, you really do need a tool like dtrace or kgdb or whatever |
| 14:42.59 | pothibo_ | elik: yeah I think I could live with that for now, untile hostapd and madwifi gets even better |
| 14:43.12 | xingu | tralala: ie, so you can inspect+change kernel context. |
| 14:43.23 | daemon | p1ngp0ng, hmm you had a look at the debian handbook (i assume there is one) |
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| 14:44.06 | xingu | tralala: the reasons why things block in kernel space for long enough to matter usually boil down to IO or MM barfs though, I gotta warn you |
| 14:44.23 | xingu | tralala: either that or oops() |
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| 14:45.25 | tralala | xingu, thanks again for the info :) |
| 14:45.34 | elik | Is there a way to test udev rules other than restarting |
| 14:45.47 | elik | pothibo_, you live in a dense population area? |
| 14:45.55 | tralala | elik, reloading modules |
| 14:46.56 | pothibo_ | elik: enough to have morons getting on my lan |
| 14:47.02 | pothibo_ | and download porn from it |
| 14:47.13 | kommodore | restart udev? |
| 14:47.22 | NeonLightning | is there a way to make synaptic show all installed programs from a catagory? |
| 14:47.42 | elik | tralala, thx |
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| 14:47.54 | elik | pothibo_, there was this nice quote on bash.org |
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| 14:48.13 | elik | pothibo_, funny kids that tried to connect to his wireless network |
| 14:48.21 | elik | pothibo_, cracked his wep and stuff |
| 14:48.38 | elik | pothibo_, they thought they were pretty smart ass, so he put horse porn on their computer :P |
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| 14:49.00 | pothibo_ | elik: lol! |
| 14:49.13 | daemon | elik, lol |
| 14:49.20 | elik | :) |
| 14:49.34 | SidGBF | Can anyone help me with this chroot/debootstrap problem? The machine is hanging... (last request) |
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| 14:49.48 | pothibo_ | well, I think I'm once again stuck! |
| 14:50.01 | kommodore | SidGBF: more information? |
| 14:50.05 | daemon | I like my wifi security weakest form of wep, if you crack it a dhcp gives you a public ip out of my range, then it bandiwdth caps you to 56k speed and only lets you connect to the aol front page |
| 14:50.06 | abrotman | SidGBF: where does it actually hang? that might help us |
| 14:50.34 | SidGBF | It is a remote machine, but doesn't even load the kernel |
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| 14:51.12 | stew | SidGBF: how do you know it hangs? |
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| 14:51.34 | SidGBF | after 10 minutes no ping response... |
| 14:51.46 | elik | daemon, public address out of your range? does that even get routed through? |
| 14:51.47 | abrotman | that doesn't mean much .. |
| 14:51.50 | stew | SidGBF: how do you know it is hanging and not that it just doesn't get on the network? |
| 14:52.11 | stew | SidGBF: can you show us the boot logs? |
| 14:52.12 | daemon | elik, yes I own 15 static ips, 10 of which are statically assigned 5 of which are Dynamic a/b/c/d/e.Hostname |
| 14:52.23 | daemon | but I run a custom authentification as well as wep |
| 14:52.26 | daemon | that is totally invisible |
| 14:52.28 | daemon | ;) |
| 14:52.31 | SidGBF | stew: Seem that it had no logs |
| 14:52.47 | stew | SidGBF: /msg dpkg bootlog |
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| 14:52.52 | stew | SidGBF: did you setup /etc/fstab? |
| 14:53.08 | elik | daemon, that sounds fairly secure to me |
| 14:53.11 | SidGBF | my work mate says yes... |
| 14:53.25 | elik | daemon, not like the guy could bust your bw with just a connection to aol :P |
| 14:53.42 | daemon | elik, well the thing is, it just looks like a really retarded config, so whoever breaks in thinks bah NAT for 56k |
| 14:53.46 | daemon | and walks away |
| 14:54.05 | pred2k5 | how to check if I got the tun/tap module? |
| 14:54.18 | pothibo_ | how can I check what madwifi driver version I'm using ??? |
| 14:54.30 | tralala | pothibo_, from your logs |
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| 14:54.56 | tralala | and/or modinfo |
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| 14:57.32 | BW^- | how do i make something start when the computer boots ? |
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| 14:57.45 | BW^- | late in the boot process |
| 14:58.22 | Sling | BW^- : check on init.d |
| 14:58.53 | tralala | BW^-, /msg dpkg run at startup |
| 14:59.09 | elik | I think I know why udev is having a hard time with this interface.... it's a rtap interface, for sniffing.. and it has the same hw address as my actual wifi card |
| 14:59.21 | Bastihase | why ? apt-get install ircd |
| 14:59.27 | Bastihase | this don`t works :( |
| 14:59.37 | abrotman | Bastihase: apt-cache search ircd |
| 14:59.38 | Bastihase | i have make apt-get update |
| 14:59.43 | Bastihase | ;( |
| 14:59.49 | Bastihase | don`t work |
| 14:59.58 | Bastihase | harddisk crashed :( |
| 15:00.10 | tralala | oh, that would explain things |
| 15:01.34 | SidGBF | nothing in syslog nor boot... |
| 15:01.36 | julian__ | is there a HOWTO available for booting a full Debian CD iso from USB stick? all i can find are some for the netinst, which i can't use. |
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| 15:02.11 | tralala | !usb install |
| 15:02.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and ... |
| 15:03.17 | pred2k5 | is the tun module the same as ppp module? |
| 15:03.31 | enouf | pred2k5: er .. i think not |
| 15:03.47 | pred2k5 | dont know how to compile ppp into kernel :( |
| 15:03.48 | julian__ | tralala: this uses the 'netint' iso, which i can't use as i have to use the latest boot.img.gz and thus the latest netinst iso, which doesn't contain the 'utf8' module. |
| 15:04.06 | pred2k5 | can tun be used as ppp device? |
| 15:04.08 | enouf | pred2k5: compile? why? |
| 15:04.09 | pred2k5 | for pppd? |
| 15:04.16 | julian__ | tralala: i can't get the utf8 modules from another working Debian install with the same kernel as i don't have a working Debian install anywhere near. |
| 15:04.17 | enouf | i don't know offhand |
| 15:04.21 | pred2k5 | what else enouf? |
| 15:05.21 | enouf | pred2k5: are you saying debian kernels don't have ppp/pppd support? |
| 15:05.38 | pred2k5 | and how to install the ppp module? |
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| 15:05.47 | enouf | modprobe ? |
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| 15:05.51 | pred2k5 | modprobe ppp? |
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| 15:05.54 | elik | anyone got an idea of how to fix interface and capture interface name? my eth2 and rtap0 come from the same interface, and rtap0 is appended _rename when the driver is loaded (if I create the interface manually, it doesn't). I tried to remove the udev rule for this card, but then eth2 had _rename |
| 15:05.55 | myselft | hello |
| 15:05.57 | enouf | modprobe -l | grep ppp |
| 15:06.03 | pred2k5 | not found |
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| 15:06.19 | pred2k5 | hm |
| 15:06.19 | myselft | I have a doubt regarding my debian server... which kernel is it using? I get: 2.6.9-023stab046.2-smp . is it 2.6.9 or what? |
| 15:06.20 | pred2k5 | ah ok |
| 15:06.22 | amaldo_ | Hi everyone! I just updated my sid, and I can't write anymore to my NFS mounts. Did anything change recently? |
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| 15:06.37 | enouf | pred2k5: modinfo <modulename> for more about each |
| 15:06.56 | tralala | julian__, no, it doesn't |
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| 15:07.11 | pred2k5 | which one do I need for pppd? |
| 15:07.23 | julian__ | tralala: this module is vital for me to install Debian onto my netbook. |
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| 15:07.29 | SpeedyG | Hi, whats a good html-editory for debian/KDE ? |
| 15:07.44 | SpeedyG | -y somewhere |
| 15:07.53 | Bastihase | i try to format my hdd |
| 15:07.55 | myselft | hei, is there anyone to reply me?? |
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| 15:07.57 | enouf | elik: if not through udev rules (which is likely the proper way) then checkout ifrename |
| 15:08.01 | julian__ | SpeedyG: try Quanta, Bluefish (or better) VIM |
| 15:08.04 | tralala | julian__, so use a full cd |
| 15:08.05 | Bastihase | all crashed |
| 15:08.13 | Bastihase | i have debian 2.1 |
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| 15:08.21 | elik | enouf, well, the udev rules work with hw address... and they are the same |
| 15:08.22 | Bastihase | its that the newest ? |
| 15:08.26 | myselft | if debian tells me its version is: 2.6.9-023stab046.2-smp , which kernel am I using? 2.6.9? such a old kernel? |
| 15:08.46 | CoolCold | looks like this is openvz kernel |
| 15:08.50 | SpeedyG | julian__: ok thanks |
| 15:08.51 | tralala | myselft, is this a virtual server? |
| 15:08.54 | elik | enouf, and I don't have ifrename (if it's a command) |
| 15:08.58 | myselft | tralala: yes |
| 15:09.01 | enouf | SpeedyG: kwrite? try #kde, #debian-kde? |
| 15:09.05 | julian__ | tralala: i can't find a way to install using a full CD iso and USB stick. the boot.img is a 256M partition |
| 15:09.13 | tralala | myselft, you don't run your own kernel in a virtual server. |
| 15:09.22 | myselft | tralala: aaaaan! |
| 15:09.26 | myselft | now I understand... |
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| 15:10.20 | tralala | julian__, I can't help you if you don't read the docs you're referred to |
| 15:10.25 | myselft | thank you |
| 15:10.26 | myselft | bye |
| 15:10.42 | BW^- | how install gcc and g++? |
| 15:10.54 | Bastihase | apt-get install gcc |
| 15:10.58 | Bastihase | apt-get install g++ |
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| 15:11.03 | enouf | elik: apt-get update ; apt-cache show ifrename |
| 15:11.12 | tralala | BW^-, install build-essential |
| 15:11.17 | enouf | BW^-: install build-essential |
| 15:11.22 | Bastihase | lol |
| 15:11.26 | enouf | !win tralala |
| 15:11.27 | dpkg | Congratulations, tralala! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
| 15:11.38 | Bastihase | !try Bastihase |
| 15:11.45 | Bastihase | !wish Bastihase |
| 15:11.50 | tralala | Woow! I always wanted to go to Fire Island! |
| 15:11.50 | Bastihase | x_x° |
| 15:11.56 | Bastihase | :) |
| 15:12.04 | enouf | tralala: ;-) |
| 15:12.13 | tralala | :) |
| 15:12.15 | daemon | if you can win i wonder if you can.. |
| 15:12.16 | enouf | tralala: i'm not far from there :-p |
| 15:12.18 | daemon | !fail tralala |
| 15:12.22 | elik | enouf, sounds more like a patch than a solution, doesn't it? |
| 15:12.23 | daemon | !lost tralala |
| 15:12.26 | daemon | hmm |
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| 15:12.32 | enouf | elik: a pkg is a patch? |
| 15:12.42 | elik | enouf, nah, using ifrename |
| 15:12.49 | julian__ | tralala: i have read them and performed that HOWTO. after zcat'ing the boot.img.gz i am not left with enough disk space to use a full CD. i ahve to see why. still investigating. |
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| 15:13.01 | enouf | elik: dude, what do you want from me - wait, i'll wave my magic wand |
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| 15:13.53 | kantor | hi, is there a wav, mp3 . . . to midi converter for Linux ? I know only that timidity converts from midi to wav, mp3 . . . . formats :( |
| 15:13.53 | Bastihase | how install a proxyserver on my debian4.0 ???? |
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| 15:14.29 | enouf | julian__: i'm not sure, but i know kmuto has some usb images - again, not sure how those work - but IINM, they're ~ 500MB |
| 15:14.34 | tralala | julian__, apparently you haven't read _all_ of them |
| 15:15.05 | enouf | julian__: and pretty sure tralala knows his stuff about this - so .. i'd follow his lead |
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| 15:15.24 | julian__ | enouf: tralala cheers. will go over the docs more closely. |
| 15:15.51 | enouf | kantor: to midi? check out sox? |
| 15:15.58 | tralala | julian__, oh, sorry I misread you. You need a stick big enough to put the full disc on it. |
| 15:16.02 | kantor | ok thanks |
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| 15:16.08 | enouf | kantor: do you mean .rma or whatever? |
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| 15:16.58 | kantor | yes, enouf from which format that's not the problem the only thing is to convert it to midi |
| 15:17.00 | daemon | 4m47hy57 |
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| 15:17.13 | elik | enouf, by now, you magic waved should have fixed it.. but didn't, can you try again? |
| 15:17.28 | enouf | kantor: well, check it out - not sure all formats, but it does tons |
| 15:17.38 | EugenMayer | hello guys, iam trying to install openoofice sdk 3. with the .deb package shipped by oo, but it fails on ooobasis3.0-core01, which is not in the reporsitory. Any ideas where to get it from ? |
| 15:17.48 | enouf | elik: .. hrm .. /me smacks his crystal ball upsaide the head |
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| 15:17.56 | Trewas | kantor: that sounds incredibly difficult to do, I doubt there are any which can do that well... maybe some get the main tune etc |
| 15:19.03 | enouf | kantor: other possible options might be at linux-sound.org? http://linux-sound.org/one-page.html |
| 15:19.10 | elik | enouf, thx for trying that too.. but seriously, udev seems like the way to go, but other net rules are done using mac addresses... and that's not enough to make the distinction between eth2 and rtap0, since they are on the same card |
| 15:19.53 | enouf | elik: well, this might not be able to deal with naming issues, but sysctl might be the way to go then |
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| 15:19.59 | kantor | Trevie, yes, I think that it is very hard to do that |
| 15:20.00 | daemon | guys on the debian lenyy install |
| 15:20.04 | daemon | its asking me what software to install |
| 15:20.07 | daemon | i just want the base system |
| 15:20.14 | daemon | so i have de selected desktop enviroment |
| 15:20.16 | enouf | elik: so, one iface is an alias? |
| 15:20.16 | daemon | what is in stadnard system |
| 15:20.21 | daemon | no X? |
| 15:20.24 | kantor | enouf, thanks the advises |
| 15:20.24 | daemon | just console tools |
| 15:20.39 | enouf | daemon: just deselect all in tasksel |
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| 15:20.47 | tralala | daemon, uncheck everything and you'll be left with a base system |
| 15:20.48 | daemon | ok dokey cheers |
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| 15:21.19 | screamingbytes | mornin all |
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| 15:22.07 | pothibo_ | I just compiled the madwifi driver and isntalled it.. but I still use the older version.... any idea how this could happen ? I don't understand very well the way the kernel works |
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| 15:23.28 | enouf | daemon: if you want a small portable Livecd with nothing but admin tools + build env, check out grml.org/faq - see 'small' version - (note; this should not be used/considered as a debian, nor as a debian installation) |
| 15:24.03 | enouf | !madwifi |
| 15:24.03 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. AR5008 now supported in lenny. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:24.30 | daemon | enouf, I just need the tools to make an image so i can boot my AsusEee |
| 15:24.35 | daemon | enouf, so I installed lenny on qemu |
| 15:24.41 | daemon | and am going to add the drivers on and give it a go |
| 15:24.54 | enouf | !eeepc |
| 15:24.54 | dpkg | hmm... eee is see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net, or see http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/ See also <atl2>. |
| 15:25.14 | daemon | enouf, and that is nearly completly useless it only has an image (pre made) for the old Eee's not the new ones |
| 15:25.15 | Trewas | hrr, a couple of wave to midi programs seem to actually exist... now I am tempted to test how horrible they are :) |
| 15:25.43 | enouf | pothibo_: i don't know anything about it, but you can blacklist certain modules from loading - not sure that's what you really need to do though |
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| 15:25.59 | enouf | Trewas: heh |
| 15:26.14 | tralala | Trewas, have you tested google's translation service? It should give you an idea. |
| 15:26.30 | enouf | daemon: oh, ok - maybe update it once you're done monkeying around ;-) |
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| 15:28.30 | Trewas | tralala: I think that would give a very optimistic idea, translating from waveform audio to notes sounds very difficult, unless there is only one acoustic instrument |
| 15:29.32 | tralala | Trewas, I've used it and believe me it's not optimistic |
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| 15:31.08 | Trewas | tralala: heh, occasionally some of the original idea comes through, but I doubt midi converted from, say, a cannibal corpse track would be recognizable in any way :) |
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| 15:31.48 | wintix | Hrhr. |
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| 15:32.23 | xingu | I'd love to see what it made of a good denis leary rant |
| 15:32.33 | tralala | Trewas, oh, I didn't realize you were after converting cannbal corpse tracks ;) |
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| 15:32.43 | DexterF | hi |
| 15:32.57 | DexterF | any way to mvoe an ntfs partition? gparted won't let me |
| 15:33.02 | DexterF | *move even |
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| 15:34.47 | p1ngp0ng | has anyone managed to install "blueman" on debian etch? |
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| 15:35.01 | o2T7 | Why does my bash not move from one word to another when pressing ctrl+right_arrow? |
| 15:35.10 | o2T7 | !anyone |
| 15:35.11 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 15:35.17 | tralala | DexterF, maybe you'll be able to do it manually with ntfsresize and parted |
| 15:35.24 | enouf | xingu: hah, you might like 'walter' a bit ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kXOg23pGeA |
| 15:35.58 | tralala | o2T7, because it does it by pressing alt+arrow |
| 15:36.15 | stiv2k | !weather 32817sics |
| 15:36.15 | o2T7 | tralala: neither :( |
| 15:36.17 | dpkg | I can't find station code "32817SICS" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 15:36.17 | stiv2k | wtf |
| 15:36.22 | enouf | o2T7: man console_codes |
| 15:36.32 | stiv2k | god I hate this touchpad |
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| 15:36.35 | stiv2k | !weather kmco |
| 15:36.37 | dpkg | ORLANDO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT , FL, United States; (KMCO) 28-25N 81-20W 29M; last updated: 2008.08.29 1453 UTC; Dew Point: 72.0 F (22.2 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.94 in. Hg (1013 hPa); Pressure tendency: 0.03 inches (0.9 hPa) higher than three hours ago; Relative Humidity: 65%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 84.9 F (29.4 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Wind: Calm |
| 15:36.47 | enouf | o2T7: maybe you're really using dash or sh or some other - ls -l /bin/sh |
| 15:36.48 | DexterF | tralala: uh... like how? ntfsresize pretty much resizes, after that parted still wont let me move.. right? |
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| 15:37.14 | o2T7 | On my other debian (lenny too) It does work fine (with ctrl at least, as I remember now), but here it stdouts character codes |
| 15:37.26 | o2T7 | enouf: It's bash |
| 15:37.29 | tralala | DexterF, I suppose parted won't let you move, because the area is overlapping. If you reduce the partition size and move it to a non-overlapping are it should work |
| 15:37.43 | enouf | DexterF: likely too many logicals and no room left in your Ext'd |
| 15:37.43 | tralala | area |
| 15:37.46 | o2T7 | enouf: I also tried to manually start bash, but it's the same |
| 15:37.52 | elik | enouf, well, it seems more complicated than that.. it's a capture interface, but it is on the same card, it allows sniffing... so I guess it just doesn't filter packets |
| 15:37.54 | DexterF | tralala: explain "overlapping" |
| 15:38.06 | daemon | hey all im trying to build an eee image but the install script is trying to apt-get install madwifi-tools |
| 15:38.10 | daemon | which apt is saying it cant find? |
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| 15:38.17 | DexterF | enouf: ext. part. is extended to the max, plenty o froom |
| 15:38.21 | DexterF | *of room |
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| 15:39.02 | tralala | DexterF, cylinder 1-100 and cylinder 81-180 |
| 15:39.43 | DexterF | tralala: dont see that happening here |
| 15:40.20 | tralala | DexterF, then simply create a new partition and dd the old one to the new one |
| 15:40.31 | suhbataar | quit |
| 15:41.00 | DexterF | tralala: I'd so totally do but I just don't have that much backup space. I could gzip tho... |
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| 15:42.40 | tralala | DexterF, so apparently the partition _is_ overlapping with the new position |
| 15:43.03 | DexterF | tralala: ah, *now*. yes |
| 15:43.10 | DexterF | got you wrong there |
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| 15:43.40 | tralala | DexterF, is there free space on the ntfs? |
| 15:43.50 | DexterF | tralala: uh huh, about 12gig of 84 |
| 15:44.06 | tralala | is this enough to avoid overlapping? |
| 15:44.25 | daemon | anyone able to help with my problem? |
| 15:44.29 | daemon | im just not sure what to do |
| 15:44.37 | DexterF | daemon: details |
| 15:44.40 | daemon | E: couldn't find package madwifi-tools |
| 15:44.52 | daemon | trying to build the AsusEee image |
| 15:44.56 | tralala | !info madwifi-tools |
| 15:45.11 | daemon | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/CustomInstaller |
| 15:45.28 | DexterF | tralala: well, 160 disk, first 10 occupied, then comes 84 gig. leaves 66 gigs. not enough. if I shrink it tho... |
| 15:45.31 | dpkg | madwifi-tools: (tools for the Multiband Atheros Driver for WiFi), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 1:0.9.4+r3685.20080531+dfsg-1 (sid), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 240 kB |
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| 15:46.06 | enouf | i never knew m.a.d. stood for something :-p |
| 15:46.16 | tralala | daemon, you need contrib sources |
| 15:46.18 | DexterF | tralala: hehe. got 70g on the other disk in the machine |
| 15:46.28 | elik | DexterF, 500g external hd are not so expensive... |
| 15:46.28 | daemon | tralala, hmm how do I install those that is not covered in the howto |
| 15:46.43 | tralala | daemon, man sources.list |
| 15:46.46 | DexterF | elik: hard to come by at such short notice |
| 15:46.47 | enouf | !contrib |
| 15:46.47 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 15:47.22 | alcohol | how can I uninstall 'su'? |
| 15:47.23 | p1ngp0ng | how do i upgrade my distro to lenny? add the lenny url to the respository? |
| 15:47.34 | alcohol | to replace it with sudo |
| 15:47.36 | elik | alcohol, you don't, it already is... |
| 15:47.42 | elik | uninstall, sry |
| 15:47.44 | tralala | DexterF, reducing those 12gigs should leave you with enough free space to move it |
| 15:47.44 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 15:47.51 | p1ngp0ng | kk |
| 15:47.54 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: as the /topic mentions |
| 15:47.58 | alcohol | su is present on my system elik |
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| 15:48.14 | elik | alcohol, yes, sorry, misread |
| 15:48.32 | DexterF | tralala: yup. at it. |
| 15:49.01 | kommodore | alcohol: why would you want to do that? |
| 15:49.04 | tralala | DexterF, ntfsresize will only reduce the size of the filesystem. You'll have to reduce the partition size yourself afterwards |
| 15:49.19 | alcohol | kommodore: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html |
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| 15:49.31 | DexterF | tralala: understood |
| 15:49.45 | tralala | DexterF, good luck then! |
| 15:50.36 | enouf | alcohol: it apparently comes from the login pkg |
| 15:50.48 | enouf | alcohol: which if you uninstall would be silly :-p |
| 15:50.55 | alcohol | yes I imagine so |
| 15:51.16 | enouf | alcohol: see /etc/login.defs and /etc/pam.d/* |
| 15:51.32 | elik | alcohol, I think you can disable root logging without uninstalling su altogether |
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| 15:51.42 | enouf | likely, i concur |
| 15:51.47 | debz | hello,i've a problem http://pastebin.com/m13b4b7c4 |
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| 15:52.14 | alcohol | elik: that'd be nice, as long as sudo will still work |
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| 15:52.37 | enouf | alcohol: also cehck /etc/default/rcS (and maybe other files in there too) |
| 15:52.39 | elik | alcohol, I'm gonna say a big word, but I think that's how ubuntu work |
| 15:52.51 | spreeuw | hello does an apt-get upgrade fix the ssh issues? |
| 15:53.07 | elik | spreeuw, you mean, the security flaw? |
| 15:53.10 | spreeuw | does it regen the keys? |
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| 15:53.17 | elik | spreeuw, yes |
| 15:53.22 | spreeuw | ok then |
| 15:53.56 | enouf | elik: IINM, that by not giving root account a passwd, iirc - maybe i'm mistaken, and when it comes to security, i hate to be mistaken - alcohol also ask in #security |
| 15:54.16 | enouf | spreeuw: dist-upgrade |
| 15:54.29 | enouf | spreeuw: make sure you only have etch sources in sources.list |
| 15:54.57 | enouf | spreeuw: the security.debian.org lines are crucial |
| 15:55.10 | spreeuw | ahh I see yes |
| 15:55.14 | spreeuw | it gives me a dialog now |
| 15:55.21 | p1ngp0ng | i love it how i am dist-upgrading at 2.4MBs ^ |
| 15:55.37 | debz | hello,i've a problem http://pastebin.com/m13b4b7c4 |
| 15:55.39 | elik | p1ngp0ng, hehe |
| 15:56.13 | elik | debz, I strongly recommend that you explain your problem here, instead of just sending ppl to a pastebin, more likely to get ppl hooked up to your problem |
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| 15:56.35 | enouf | !cold paste |
| 15:56.51 | elik | I knew dpkg had something to say on that :) |
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| 15:57.11 | enouf | i think she does - i forget the proper trigger/factoid though |
| 15:57.38 | p1ngp0ng | oh so dpkg is a girl now eh? |
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| 15:57.43 | debz | solution what is? |
| 15:57.48 | p1ngp0ng | really interesting i must say :P |
| 15:57.55 | elik | well, that's what I was asking myself |
| 15:58.13 | elik | sure will make ppl more polite around :P |
| 15:58.53 | enouf | !ask-to-ask buts |
| 15:58.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ask-to-ask buts is there are NO BUTS. Just ask. Or we'll pry the question out of your dead, cold fingers. |
| 15:59.12 | enouf | although that's not it - it's funny nonetheless :-p |
| 15:59.26 | enouf | !gender |
| 15:59.26 | dpkg | I'm hermaphroditic |
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| 15:59.38 | elik | lol |
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| 15:59.43 | kiiwii | jumps |
| 15:59.44 | elik | (s)he |
| 15:59.52 | debz | elik have solution? |
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| 16:00.08 | enouf | debz: yes - tell us about your problem |
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| 16:00.17 | p1ngp0ng | !sexual orientation |
| 16:00.22 | p1ngp0ng | bah |
| 16:00.23 | spreeuw | wtf this install has no less |
| 16:00.25 | p1ngp0ng | :p |
| 16:00.35 | enouf | spreeuw: /msg dpkg installit :-p |
| 16:00.40 | debz | http://pastebin.com/m13b4b7c4 |
| 16:00.40 | elik | enouf, that guy definitely doesn't speak a word of english... maybe you can try to get him to rm -rf / * |
| 16:00.47 | debz | problem is this |
| 16:00.47 | enouf | spreeuw: more is alwyas there |
| 16:00.57 | elik | debz, sorry, leaving for kayak |
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| 16:01.12 | cast | kayak > work |
| 16:01.12 | elik | debz, explain your problem, not just pastebin |
| 16:01.19 | p1ngp0ng | gotta be carefull with those non english speakers. seriously |
| 16:01.28 | p1ngp0ng | ever been to eastern europe? |
| 16:01.31 | p1ngp0ng | dont go there. |
| 16:01.38 | enouf | debz: LANG=C apt-get autoremove <-- pastebin |
| 16:01.44 | debz | i don't know english |
| 16:01.53 | elik | enouf, told you :P |
| 16:02.01 | Paul_UK | hi all, i want to install apache 2, mod_perl 2 and libapreq 2. i have apache2 at the right ver, but mod perl is at 1.29 and libapreq2 is at 2.04. When I want to install libapache2-mod-perl2 i get this error: http://pastebin.com/m770957f7 can anyone help? thanks :) |
| 16:02.05 | debz | with all command of apt |
| 16:02.06 | debz | et: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 16:02.10 | enouf | debz: try #debian-it ? |
| 16:02.18 | debz | all is absent |
| 16:02.34 | enouf | debz: do what i asked |
| 16:03.06 | debz | ok |
| 16:03.37 | debz | http://pastebin.com/m5df964ea |
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| 16:05.13 | enouf | debz: ok, looking - however, note, there's also a #debian-it on irc.OFTC.net |
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| 16:05.50 | debz | but is too serious problem? -.- |
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| 16:06.35 | pawbie | I've got an etch -> lenny box that keeps showing me packages like gdm, ant, Xfree, etc in "autoremove" |
| 16:06.38 | pawbie | wth |
| 16:07.01 | cast | were you using apt-get with etch? |
| 16:07.04 | enouf | debz: are you trying to remove tspc ? |
| 16:07.06 | alcohol | where does one usually place files such as trac projects or svn repos? under /home ? |
| 16:07.07 | pawbie | ya |
| 16:07.20 | debz | yes |
| 16:07.37 | daemon | hey all how do I enable non-free and contrib repos in source/list |
| 16:07.38 | enouf | debz: LANG=C apt-get --purge remove tspc |
| 16:07.44 | daemon | i cant see anything to unhash |
| 16:07.48 | daemon | so I assume I have to actually add the lines |
| 16:07.50 | daemon | but what are the lines |
| 16:07.52 | Paul_UK | anyone here running apache2, mod_perl2, libapreq2? |
| 16:08.08 | enouf | !autoremove |
| 16:08.08 | dpkg | it has been said that autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for some package and that are no more needed. Aptitude will try to automatically remove packages that it thinks are no longer needed and from lenny onwards, so will apt-get and synaptic. If you remove a package that also causes a large metapackage like gnome to be autoremoved then this will cause you problems. Ask me about <unmarkauto>. |
| 16:08.18 | debz | http://pastebin.com/m4e260af9 |
| 16:08.31 | pawbie | !unmarkauto |
| 16:08.31 | dpkg | Is aptitude trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>. |
| 16:08.33 | enouf | either you guys should be using aptitude - or see deborphan/debfoster |
| 16:08.40 | enouf | especially if on Etch |
| 16:09.25 | pawbie | Searching for gdm in synaptic shows me the same version as gdm in the autoremove list... I'll try reinstalling it. |
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| 16:10.15 | debz | enouf: i make first if reinstall debian |
| 16:10.26 | pawbie | Oh ya. And when is Pulse coming to default install? |
| 16:10.38 | enouf | debz: what? |
| 16:11.06 | enouf | debz: do "/etc/init.d/tspc stop" then, "apt-get install -f" then try again |
| 16:12.02 | daemon | hey all how do I enable non-free and contrib repos in source.list there is nothing to unash or change to 1 (from 0) to enable them so I assume I have to add something, so.. what do I have to add |
| 16:12.29 | pawbie | daemon: add "non-free contrib" after the existing repos. |
| 16:12.41 | daemon | pawbie, nice thank you |
| 16:12.44 | wintix | pawbie: have a look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:13.24 | pawbie | wintix: ok? |
| 16:14.10 | wintix | pawbie: ok! |
| 16:14.15 | enouf | debz: something keeps restarting that tspc crap - maybe your ppp/pppoe connection - stop those services, or configure tspc to not start - once the service is stopped , "update-rc.d -f tspc remove" are you in runlevel2 now? |
| 16:14.35 | pawbie | wintix: ya. What do you want me to look for? |
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| 16:14.59 | daemon | pawbie, hmm im trying to build a custom iamge for my Eee and im hitting this error: couldn't find package win32-loader, adding contrib and non-free got madwifi-tools... what else do I need |
| 16:15.01 | wintix | pawbie: well. do in that file what daemon told you. after that run apt-get update |
| 16:15.10 | enouf | he;s been told how to add them |
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| 16:15.17 | wintix | err |
| 16:15.20 | pawbie | wintix: I think you have us confused. |
| 16:15.22 | wintix | i confused the names. |
| 16:15.24 | wintix | yes |
| 16:15.25 | pawbie | ya ;) |
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| 16:16.02 | pawbie | ah, hm. reinstalling the packages seems to fix my autoremove issue. |
| 16:16.10 | Nyle | hey |
| 16:16.14 | Nyle | how can I find out what my ident reply is? |
| 16:16.20 | enouf | wow - Sarah Palin's mouth is nice and enticing :-P |
| 16:16.24 | pawbie | nyle: /whois yourself? |
| 16:16.29 | Nyle | no |
| 16:16.30 | Nyle | not on irc |
| 16:16.32 | Nyle | on my system |
| 16:16.36 | Nyle | my irc is on a diff system |
| 16:16.39 | pawbie | nyle: telnet localhost 113 ? |
| 16:16.42 | Nyle | ok |
| 16:16.42 | PriitM | I'm doing debian install and I'm in front of choice between kernels: linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6.24-1-686. Whats the difference between them, I have been roaming around google and installation manual, yet haven't found much other than bug reports on this topic |
| 16:16.42 | enouf | Nyle: what? |
| 16:16.47 | daemon | wintix, I already have added contrib and non-free to the file that resolved the previos error |
| 16:16.55 | wintix | ok |
| 16:16.56 | daemon | wintix, I assume I need something else for 'win32-loader' |
| 16:17.00 | enouf | PriitM: the former is a metapkg |
| 16:17.13 | Nyle | nope |
| 16:17.15 | Nyle | didn't work |
| 16:17.17 | Nyle | enouf, hey |
| 16:17.18 | PriitM | enouf, thank you. I will do further investigation now :) |
| 16:17.19 | enouf | PriitM: which depends on the latter (or proper kernel version for you) |
| 16:17.25 | Nyle | how can I find out what my ident reply is on my system? |
| 16:17.32 | Nyle | how to query localhost for ident reply |
| 16:17.43 | pawbie | Nyle: Is ident in your client? Check your options. |
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| 16:17.53 | Nyle | dude |
| 16:17.57 | enouf | PriitM: packages.debian.org will show you, as well as apt-cache show linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 16:18.00 | daemon | wintix, so my question is what else do I need to add? :) |
| 16:18.00 | Nyle | do you understnad what I want? |
| 16:18.14 | DexterF | tralala: ok, resized.. but how can I delete the partition and recreate it starting at the same sector? |
| 16:18.26 | wintix | daemon: did you do apt-get update after adding the lines? |
| 16:18.27 | enouf | Nyle: i don't understand, unless you mean the port 113 shit? |
| 16:18.34 | dudeman | yes AUTH server |
| 16:18.40 | dudeman | i have a fakeident deamon running |
| 16:18.45 | dudeman | I want to find out what my reply is |
| 16:18.50 | enouf | sorry - don't know offhand |
| 16:18.51 | dudeman | if it is set to what I specified |
| 16:18.55 | dudeman | enouf, you suck dude |
| 16:19.00 | dudeman | enouf, go siddown |
| 16:19.00 | daemon | wintix, yes |
| 16:19.05 | enouf | !cane dudeman |
| 16:19.12 | dudeman | enouf, ooh burn! |
| 16:19.13 | dudeman | :) |
| 16:19.19 | enouf | :-p |
| 16:19.21 | rofl | how can i search in which package contains /usr/bin/ps ? |
| 16:19.25 | rofl | eh /bin/ps |
| 16:19.31 | dudeman | !tell rofl -about search |
| 16:19.34 | wintix | daemon: then i have no idea right now, sorry. |
| 16:19.35 | enouf | !tell rofl -about apt-file |
| 16:19.38 | dudeman | rofl, apt-file |
| 16:19.52 | dudeman | enouf, do you use emacs? |
| 16:20.06 | enouf | dudeman: no, i barely am learning vim |
| 16:20.50 | dudeman | ah |
| 16:20.51 | enouf | dudeman: all this insert stuff is a pita though, eh? |
| 16:20.51 | dudeman | vim sucks |
| 16:20.59 | dudeman | stupid mode bullshit |
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| 16:21.01 | dudeman | I love emacs |
| 16:21.06 | enouf | dudeman: no, big bloated DEs suck :-p |
| 16:21.09 | dudeman | its so awesome, you can do everything in it |
| 16:21.21 | dudeman | enouf, you are big and bloated |
| 16:21.23 | dudeman | shut up |
| 16:21.31 | PriitM | shush, please |
| 16:21.33 | dudeman | and my opinion is better than yours |
| 16:21.36 | dudeman | so booya |
| 16:21.39 | dudeman | :) |
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| 16:21.54 | rofl | dudeman: thx |
| 16:22.09 | dudeman | enouf, no but seriously though man, thats pretty cool stuff, I got vim too and emacs trying out both of them |
| 16:22.14 | dudeman | enouf, emacs seems to like me more |
| 16:22.35 | enouf | that's cool - whatever - i'm editor agnostic :-P |
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| 16:22.45 | dudeman | enouf, not only does it feature auto completion of tons of stuff, its php-mode.el is even more awesome |
| 16:23.04 | enouf | i have yet to seriously look at it |
| 16:23.11 | dudeman | I can do a key combo and look up function/language ref for whatever my cursor is on |
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| 16:23.18 | enouf | but don't start sellling us on it :-P |
| 16:23.25 | dudeman | auto syntax completion, word ocmpletion, tag completion |
| 16:23.29 | dudeman | freaking badass |
| 16:23.41 | dudeman | enouf, how do I check my ident reply on localhost? |
| 16:24.19 | pawbie | ....you just discovered emacs? |
| 16:24.20 | enouf | dudeman: ask ##networking? #security? |
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| 16:26.10 | webPragmatist | hey how do you remove the password from a private key? |
| 16:26.19 | abrotman | for ssl ? |
| 16:26.20 | enouf | PriitM: if you'd like to learn more, "/msg dpkg grounding" then ask dpkgbot about each of those mentioned - the debian reference is a good read ;-) |
| 16:26.34 | webPragmatist | abrotman: ya... didnt realize apache would ask for it |
| 16:26.43 | abrotman | webPragmatist: google "remove ssl passphrase" |
| 16:26.53 | PriitM | enouf, thanks for the suggestion. I will certainly do so, if I get some free time :) |
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| 16:28.26 | enouf | PriitM: sure, no prob - apt-cache depends linux-image-2.6-686 is another way to view ;-) |
| 16:30.07 | dudeman | enouf, nevermind |
| 16:30.09 | dudeman | I figured it out |
| 16:30.15 | dudeman | I had to add 113 to allow |
| 16:30.38 | enouf | i knew you would .. besides, it's better this way ;-) |
| 16:30.42 | DexterF | I need to shrink a partition by deleting it and recreating with a different end position. dumped sfdisk output, modified the end sector and wanted to reapply, but sfdisk complained: not a cylinder border. |
| 16:30.45 | dudeman | ident stream tcp nowait identd /usr/sbin/ident2 ident2 -r |
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| 16:30.56 | DexterF | how do I gather what sector is one? |
| 16:31.07 | enouf | dudeman: oh hosts.allow ? |
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| 16:31.13 | dudeman | instead of -r, now i just do -i, and have ~/.ident in which I type ident enouf |
| 16:31.14 | dudeman | :) |
| 16:31.20 | dudeman | loginto irc as ident enouf |
| 16:31.30 | enouf | no can do ;-) |
| 16:31.36 | dudeman | watch me! |
| 16:31.44 | enouf | DexterF: parted is good for that |
| 16:31.57 | DexterF | enouf: nope. it can't handle ntfs. |
| 16:32.28 | enouf | DexterF: use sfdisk -d /dev/sdX > partition.table.backup (before you mess it all up) |
| 16:32.40 | DexterF | did that already |
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| 16:33.06 | enouf | DexterF: use parted for getting exact sectors/bytes - also fdisk -lu for sectors |
| 16:33.17 | enouf | lshal also lists partition sizes in bytes |
| 16:33.53 | enouf | parted , u, B, print , quit |
| 16:34.06 | enouf | er parted /dev/sdX , u, B, print , quit |
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| 16:34.10 | DexterF | all no good, I need to know the next cylinder border on the *new* partition |
| 16:34.16 | dudeman | enouf, hi |
| 16:34.20 | enouf | no capisce |
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| 16:34.25 | stoned | hi |
| 16:34.33 | stoned | ;) |
| 16:34.42 | enouf | stoned: hola - you schizoid :-p |
| 16:34.51 | dudeman | hehe |
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| 16:36.29 | enouf | hrm, AK == Alaska? i thought it was Arkansas O_o |
| 16:36.39 | dudeman | dude |
| 16:36.55 | enouf | she has a nice mouth :-P must be all those Big Oil profits ;-) |
| 16:37.12 | dudeman | dude |
| 16:37.15 | dudeman | shtu up |
| 16:37.22 | enouf | Sen. Ted's pipe :-p |
| 16:37.32 | dudeman | put down the crack pip |
| 16:37.38 | DexterF | enouf: I want to make a prtition 12gigs smaller. with the same start sector. so I need to tell parted, sfdisk, fdsisk, cfdisk or whomever the new end. but I know only the new end *sector*, not the closest cylinder |
| 16:37.45 | TuxCrafter | helllo everybody, i am installing a new server with debian stable and i created some software mdadm raid setup, is it normal that i get a message during shutdown telling me md0 fails to unmount |
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| 16:38.09 | cast | DexterF: my life is so much easier due to lvm :) |
| 16:38.10 | TuxCrafter | stopping MD0 Raid fails |
| 16:38.17 | DexterF | cast: ... |
| 16:38.21 | enouf | DexterF: you got some math to do ;-) |
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| 16:38.42 | DexterF | curses |
| 16:39.02 | DexterF | TuxCrafter: well, what sits on that raid? |
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| 16:39.51 | TuxCrafter | DexterF: the root system |
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| 16:41.44 | enouf | TuxCrafter: i'm not sure what's up with that - does everything work correctly though - i mean even afterwards, when you boot? |
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| 16:42.03 | TuxCrafter | enouf: yes it seems to be working fine |
| 16:42.14 | DexterF | enouf: ah, jeez! now I told sfdisk to make a partition, not an fs-partition and *still* it asks me what FS I want there - now I don't know if it will invoke mkfs or if its just for the partition type! |
| 16:42.17 | TuxCrafter | found this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/111398 |
| 16:42.19 | enouf | TuxCrafter: have a look at /etc/default/mdadm, and be sure to read the docs in /usr/share/doc/mdadm, as well as the man pages |
| 16:42.21 | DexterF | god fscking damn it! |
| 16:42.26 | TuxCrafter | but i dont have the issues on some other servers |
| 16:42.57 | enouf | DexterF: partitionID (0x83 for Linux) is not a FStype |
| 16:43.41 | DexterF | enouf: what...? what does this have to do with my question...? it ask me: "filesystem type ? [ext2]? " |
| 16:43.52 | enouf | TuxCrafter: i suspect the ordering of the init.d scripts and runlevel symlinks - just a guess |
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| 16:44.06 | enouf | DexterF: what does? sfdisk? |
| 16:44.11 | DexterF | no, parted |
| 16:44.17 | enouf | oh, ffs |
| 16:44.27 | DexterF | I went with that cause I could tell it the end by cylinder |
| 16:44.32 | n3kl | WHere is the nvidia-kernel-source package that <nvidia_post_etch> referes to? |
| 16:44.34 | enouf | i said use parted to obtain precise locations |
| 16:44.55 | DexterF | I calc'ed the cylinder and rm'ed the part with parted |
| 16:44.59 | enouf | DexterF: parted doesn't know about ntfs |
| 16:45.14 | DexterF | it doesnt need to, I use it as a partition tool right now |
| 16:45.16 | enouf | DexterF: GParted does though (Gnome, not GNU) |
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| 16:45.43 | DexterF | enouf: no, it doesn't, it refused to touch the ntfs, too. support was pulled due to bugs. |
| 16:45.49 | enouf | hahaha |
| 16:45.56 | enouf | what a MicroPoop |
| 16:46.06 | enouf | you use, you lose |
| 16:46.24 | DexterF | well right know it's the gnu tools fscking up, not MS |
| 16:46.31 | cast | it's a shame windows doesn't support more than one FS |
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| 16:46.33 | enouf | So use MPoop tools |
| 16:46.39 | DexterF | I'd use Acronis or Partiton Magic if I only had working windows |
| 16:46.58 | enouf | heh, can't you boot into ultimatebootcd.com or something and do it? |
| 16:47.02 | DexterF | I somehow doubt they work in wine |
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| 16:47.24 | DexterF | enouf: there's this BartPE but I don't have it and it's huge |
| 16:47.25 | enouf | even the Micropoop Recovery Console? |
| 16:47.30 | enouf | i know nothing anymore |
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| 16:47.45 | DexterF | enouf: haha, as if MS shipped a tool that powerful |
| 16:47.46 | enouf | yes, bartspe is on ultimate |
| 16:47.57 | enouf | it does have DISKPART :-p |
| 16:48.08 | enouf | though, again, not my bag |
| 16:48.33 | DexterF | enouf: I hate MS, but what can I do, need to install it, long story. customers and such. |
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| 16:48.47 | enouf | i told you all i know about it |
| 16:49.10 | john | Are the debian NVIDIA packages broken in amd64? |
| 16:49.34 | n3kl | john: I am beginning to think they are broken for all of testing |
| 16:49.35 | enouf | broken how? |
| 16:50.04 | enouf | n3kl: the bullshit Xen thing is nVidia Installer's fault, don't cha know |
| 16:50.06 | john | well I just installed them and the xserver says it cannot find the kernel module or the glx module, and I installed both and modprobed the nvidia module |
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| 16:50.57 | enouf | installed them how? from where? |
| 16:50.57 | n3kl | oh, I can't even find the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 16:50.57 | john | I had the actuall upstream driver from nvidia.com on here but it broke during an upgrade |
| 16:50.57 | enouf | pretty sure Lenny needs Sid stuff |
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| 16:50.57 | john | so I installed the debian ones from my package repo |
| 16:50.57 | enouf | for nvidia blobs |
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| 16:50.59 | enouf | !nvidia |
| 16:50.59 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 16:51.07 | enouf | !nvidia_post_ecth |
| 16:51.11 | enouf | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 16:51.11 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 16:51.20 | enouf | !tell john -about ssb |
| 16:51.41 | john | ah.. y'know it may be the pci-ids thing |
| 16:51.45 | john | I forgot all about that |
| 16:51.58 | john | the card says unknown in the lspci output |
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| 16:52.05 | enouf | whoops ;-) |
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| 16:52.28 | enouf | n3kl: it's in sid, no? |
| 16:52.32 | Invader | Does anyone know if its possible to have a debian disk you have on a server as external network disk in windows? |
| 16:52.38 | DexterF | enouf: worked. chmod'ded mkntfs -x just in case, seems like sfdisk really wasks for the file type. they could ask that in plain text. imo. parition is fine. |
| 16:52.41 | DexterF | my nerves. |
| 16:52.46 | DexterF | I need to get drunk soon. |
| 16:52.53 | enouf | !beer DexterF |
| 16:52.53 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Guinness for DexterF |
| 16:53.07 | DexterF | yay, virtual tar |
| 16:53.18 | xingu | Invader: samba |
| 16:53.20 | n3kl | enouf: could be in side I spect |
| 16:53.29 | Invader | xingu: ok |
| 16:53.42 | n3kl | enouf: so to install nvidia on lenny you need sid? |
| 16:53.47 | john | well it still doesnt work but I am using the binary module package so idk.. |
| 16:54.03 | enouf | n3kl: with deb-src line - and updated cache, do apt-cache showsrc nvidia-kernel-source |
| 16:54.19 | john | if I use the module assistant method with the source package will that cause breakage on kernel or other updates? |
| 16:54.22 | enouf | n3kl: it's been that way for like a year now, IINM |
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| 16:54.38 | SidGBF | Can anyone help me with this chroot/debootstrap problem? The machine is hanging when rebooting from CentOS to Debian. We checked logs and seem that it hangs even before the boot, cause there's no log at all. |
| 16:54.43 | enouf | john: every new kernel requires a rebuild, iinm |
| 16:54.57 | enouf | nvz: \o/ wtf? |
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| 16:55.32 | nvz | if I use the module assistant method with the source package will that cause breakage on kernel or other updates? |
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| 16:55.41 | enouf | SidGBF: that's a tough one ... hrm . .checked BTS? |
| 16:55.42 | nvz | re: nvidia |
| 16:55.49 | nvz | lagged out.. |
| 16:56.09 | dudeman | nvz, hi |
| 16:56.18 | SidGBF | enouf: BTS? |
| 16:56.22 | TuxCrafter | all mdadm -E report the state is clean and checksums are ok |
| 16:56.24 | enouf | nvz: every new kernel requires a rebuild /of the blob/ i meant, iinm |
| 16:56.25 | DexterF | enouf: I missed The Simpsons over this :( |
| 16:56.31 | dudeman | nvz, what are you upto? |
| 16:56.33 | enouf | dudeman: you know all about this nvidia shit |
| 16:56.36 | enouf | you tell them |
| 16:56.39 | dudeman | nah man |
| 16:56.40 | nvz | dudeman: school mostely |
| 16:56.44 | nvz | do I know you? |
| 16:56.44 | dudeman | you KNOW I been on ati for a long time |
| 16:56.48 | dudeman | nvz, back in school now? |
| 16:56.49 | dudeman | wow, congrats |
| 16:56.51 | enouf | !tell SidGBF -about BTS |
| 16:56.52 | SidGBF | enouf: Will check it... |
| 16:56.57 | enouf | ok |
| 16:56.58 | nvz | dudeman: yes, indeed |
| 16:56.59 | dudeman | nvz, you started when? |
| 16:57.01 | dudeman | this fall? |
| 16:57.03 | nvz | I'm home for the weekend |
| 16:57.14 | enouf | guys ... -> ot ? |
| 16:57.20 | dudeman | enouf, go away |
| 16:57.27 | SidGBF | Can I simulate a boot with QEMU? I mean, even see errors that could happen when booting? |
| 16:57.30 | enouf | i mean - so you can do MORE talking ;-) |
| 16:57.34 | dudeman | lol |
| 16:57.39 | nvz | lol.. we can catch up another time. I'm busy right now |
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| 16:57.47 | dudeman | its alright |
| 16:57.51 | dudeman | me too |
| 16:57.51 | xingu | I'd pitch in but I switched to repackaging upstream locally about a year back now. ;) |
| 16:57.55 | dudeman | I gotta get this software done |
| 16:57.59 | xingu | that, and I track sid. |
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| 16:58.05 | dudeman | xingu, cool! |
| 16:58.09 | enouf | SidGBF: i think so - i'm not sure how |
| 16:58.12 | dudeman | xingu, I localize it in Urdu and I bughunt! |
| 16:58.16 | nvz | enouf: well if I wanted to rebuild each time I would have just rebuilt the nvidia.com one |
| 16:58.21 | dudeman | !exp4bus |
| 16:58.22 | ethanol | anyone has the link to a simple how-to on user and groups management? I'm not very familiar (as we all use root on our dev machine) with these aspects. I'm setting up a second dev machine and want proper user and group restrictions |
| 16:58.23 | dudeman | !exp4bugs |
| 16:58.23 | dpkg | somebody said exp4bugs was "Where do you get experience points for battling the evil bugs?" |
| 16:58.27 | xingu | gives dudeman a dell |
| 16:58.30 | nvz | enouf: the problem was the system broke while I was away when they upgraded |
| 16:58.32 | enouf | xingu: you mean the nvidia crap? |
| 16:58.33 | dudeman | xingu, I used to work at dell... |
| 16:58.46 | nvz | I'm just gonna set it to "nv" I guess and leave it at that |
| 16:58.58 | xingu | enouf: yeah, randal's packages are good enough to survive a little molestation |
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| 16:59.07 | enouf | nvz: but what makes you think you wouldn't need to rebuild? |
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| 16:59.16 | enouf | xingu: ahh, ok |
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| 16:59.24 | xingu | enouf: hi nvidia-glx 177.70-1 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver |
| 16:59.36 | enouf | half ? :-P |
| 16:59.37 | nvz | enouf: idk. I figured if the damn binary package worked it would have no breakage during kernel updates |
| 16:59.43 | nvz | enouf: but it didn't work.. so.. screw it |
| 16:59.57 | enouf | nvz: same kernel version, sure - not different newer kernels |
| 16:59.59 | nvz | enouf: they don't really need 3d, they just need the thing to work when I'm not here to fix it |
| 17:00.06 | enouf | nvz: though - not even sure about that |
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| 17:00.25 | nvz | enouf: well there is a nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 |
| 17:00.28 | nvz | metapackage |
| 17:00.29 | enouf | crap - updates changes versioning too |
| 17:00.37 | nvz | so I figure that facilitates changes |
| 17:00.52 | enouf | *shrugs* |
| 17:01.06 | xingu | nvz: it does, but it means you get to wait on _kernel_ upgrades until randal wakes up. :) |
| 17:01.11 | nvz | but at any rate I have etch in the sources list not stable so... |
| 17:01.27 | nvz | xingu: oh dear |
| 17:01.36 | xingu | nvz: put their kernel package on hold is probably the safest bet; if they break it then charge a callout. |
| 17:01.49 | nvz | xingu: where's he live? |
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| 17:02.02 | xingu | nvz: on the moon judging by his average latency ;) |
| 17:02.11 | nvz | xingu: yeah thats another option if the 3d were needed |
| 17:02.16 | nvz | xingu: hah |
| 17:02.25 | xingu | he's probably on channel and about to kick my arse so I better quit with the cheeky |
| 17:02.28 | nvz | alright then, I'll probably be looking in again later I gotta run |
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| 17:05.01 | spreeuw | why dont I see any apache with apt cache? |
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| 17:05.35 | spreeuw | do I mis a stable repo? |
| 17:06.02 | spreeuw | I only have this: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 17:06.25 | spreeuw | and the documentation doesnt give apt sources |
| 17:07.13 | blubberdiblub | spreeuw, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 17:07.32 | \amethyst | spreeuw: you also want something like deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib |
| 17:07.37 | enouf | !sources.list |
| 17:07.38 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 17:08.25 | spreeuw | enouf: why isnt this in faqs and the docs? |
| 17:08.36 | spreeuw | or is that a manpage quote? |
| 17:08.37 | enouf | !ig |
| 17:08.37 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r4 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
| 17:09.16 | enouf | i dunno, all i know it's one of the 1st things i ever learned about |
| 17:09.50 | spreeuw | should I now comment the overlap in http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 17:10.00 | spreeuw | take off main and contrib |
| 17:10.54 | spreeuw | its easier than yum |
| 17:11.03 | spreeuw | as far as repo hell goes |
| 17:11.11 | spreeuw | but yum is a nicer command |
| 17:11.17 | spreeuw | short auto complete |
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| 17:12.22 | Sling | ive heard better reasons for using yum :p |
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| 17:12.53 | cast | autocomplete as in? |
| 17:13.19 | cast | you mean like aptitude inst<TAB> linux-i<TAB>? |
| 17:13.51 | spreeuw | cast: the commandname itself |
| 17:14.03 | spreeuw | the dash requires more strokes |
| 17:14.12 | spreeuw | Sling: hehe |
| 17:14.31 | Sling | spreeuw from #nos by any chance? |
| 17:14.36 | cast | the commandname itself being 'yum'? |
| 17:14.43 | spreeuw | Sling: wie anders |
| 17:14.51 | Sling | heh |
| 17:14.55 | Sling | <- mathijs |
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| 17:15.10 | enouf | spreeuw: no, generally you want each line to have the same 'main {contrib non-free}' parts |
| 17:15.21 | spreeuw | enouf: and the order doesnt matter? |
| 17:15.26 | spreeuw | it's merged or so |
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| 17:15.30 | enouf | spreeuw: no |
| 17:15.47 | enouf | spreeuw: run "apt-cache policy" once you apt-get update |
| 17:16.19 | spreeuw | lol, ok |
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| 17:16.43 | enouf | there's ways t ofiddle with repo priorities, but that's not for us to discuss now ;-) |
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| 17:19.16 | enouf | wow, i don't know what's wrong with these salad folks; tuna salad, chicken salad, chef salad, greek salad .. f all that ;-) Give me a black angus burger salad with good italian dressing anyday ;-) |
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| 17:19.40 | spreeuw | black angst burger |
| 17:19.55 | spreeuw | 100% bile |
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| 17:20.19 | enouf | raw is even better :-P |
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| 17:22.01 | feuj | Hi |
| 17:22.50 | feuj | is there a way to modify debian install CD ROM ? |
| 17:23.20 | feuj | I mean, I wanna know if there is a way to modify a configuration file in the CD ROM |
| 17:23.32 | feuj | so that it'll be used by installer |
| 17:23.54 | NeonLightning | finally managed to use alien to create deb files of libtorrent 0.13 and libdbus-c++ but i'm now getting the same problem as with trying to compile libtorrent the configure script is saying i can't create executable programs and i have build essential installed i have gcc and g++ installed and everything else i can think of that i'ed need |
| 17:23.59 | spreeuw | omg star-stop-daemon has this damned tab behaviour too |
| 17:24.16 | spreeuw | I got centos service fingers |
| 17:24.20 | spreeuw | hello aliasses |
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| 17:25.44 | feuj | nobody can help me ? |
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| 17:25.53 | feuj | May I modify debian install CD ROM ? |
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| 17:26.03 | spreeuw | feuj: I just saw some unattended install stuff in the docs |
| 17:26.30 | feuj | in the CD ROM doc ? |
| 17:26.37 | spreeuw | the website |
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| 17:27.27 | spreeuw | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apb.html.en |
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| 17:27.48 | feuj | thanks dude |
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| 17:29.27 | feuj | actally I wanna modify my install CD ROM so that my sysctl.conf file will be modified when debain will be instaled |
| 17:29.34 | feuj | you think it's possible ? |
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| 17:32.04 | enouf | !preseed |
| 17:32.05 | dpkg | it has been said that preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 17:32.29 | enouf | bah - try /msg dpkg custom cd ... or leave tux alone |
| 17:33.42 | enouf | NeonLightning: wrong Arch? |
| 17:33.48 | enouf | NeonLightning: libc6-dev ? |
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| 17:34.25 | enouf | why are you using alien? |
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| 17:36.17 | spreeuw | do you guys know reliable whois anonimizing registrars? |
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| 17:36.29 | spreeuw | I've been trying my luck with katzglobal |
| 17:36.35 | spreeuw | but they are shitty |
| 17:36.44 | enouf | haha @ McCain pick Big Oil for Veep candidate :-p |
| 17:36.47 | spreeuw | and godady's service is supposed to be crap too |
| 17:37.02 | enouf | no idea spreeuw |
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| 17:37.28 | spreeuw | it took them a week to reg my shit |
| 17:37.37 | spreeuw | then it was stolen from me |
| 17:37.51 | enouf | sounds like DMV license plates O_o |
| 17:37.51 | spreeuw | presumably by another squat company |
| 17:38.03 | enouf | Assman |
| 17:38.06 | enouf | :-P |
| 17:38.35 | NeonLightning | enouf:to get it to finish the configure i had to comment out ac_try='./$ac_file' |
| 17:39.13 | enouf | NeonLightning: nfc |
| 17:39.18 | enouf | !nfc |
| 17:39.18 | dpkg | nfc is probably No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
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| 17:39.34 | NeonLightning | lol |
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| 17:40.14 | NeonLightning | idk i just looked at where the error was in the configure script and messed around with it and when that didn't work i just commented the part out :) heres hoping it doesn't royally break something later on |
| 17:41.50 | NeonLightning | oh and the reason for using alien was because noone has made a deb of libtorrent 0.13 or dbus-c++ |
| 17:43.17 | dudeman | enouf, ping |
| 17:43.29 | enouf | pong paddle pke with cane |
| 17:43.54 | dudeman | enouf, check me out |
| 17:44.47 | enouf | and we're sure you NEED 0.13 |
| 17:44.56 | dudeman | oye |
| 17:45.40 | stiv2k | !weather kmco |
| 17:45.42 | dpkg | ORLANDO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT , FL, United States; (KMCO) 28-25N 81-20W 29M; last updated: 2008.08.29 1653 UTC; Dew Point: 69.1 F (20.6 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.92 in. Hg (1013 hPa); Relative Humidity: 51%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 89.1 F (31.7 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Weather: Cumulonimbus clouds observed; Wind: Variable at 5 MPH (4 KT) |
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| 17:46.34 | enouf | !tell stiv2k -about msg the bot |
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| 17:46.42 | abrotman | stiv2k: stop that |
| 17:46.53 | enouf | really |
| 17:47.02 | abrotman | enouf: look at me! |
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| 17:47.14 | enouf | where?! |
| 17:47.19 | enouf | :-p |
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| 17:47.57 | Rapp__ | hi everyone! |
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| 17:48.28 | Rapp__ | how do i call mkinitrd? i cannot figure out the right syntax for the version argument |
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| 17:50.28 | stiv2k | abrotman: stop what? |
| 17:51.04 | screamingbytes | anyone know if there is a mouse pointer pack? or just the 4 themes in apt |
| 17:51.11 | xingu | abrotman: after much fumbling, += CONFIG_X86_GENERIC is indeed the secret sauce needed to make -686 kernels boot on vpc2k7 - bug updated accordingly ;) |
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| 17:51.43 | abrotman | stiv2k: stop messing with the bot |
| 17:52.01 | xingu | abrotman: there's "probably" no reason not to switch it on by default, but I'm just taking a quick looksee at what it actually _does_ (besides preventing p6 long noop generation) |
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| 17:52.15 | stiv2k | abrotman: I just wanted to fetch the weather... why would the bot contain !weather functionality if I'm forbidden from using it? :( |
| 17:52.35 | abrotman | stiv2k: just stop doing it in the damn channel .. how hard is that? or use weather.com or something sensible |
| 17:52.40 | abrotman | stiv2k: don't do it again |
| 17:52.50 | stiv2k | abrotman: geez man I only did it once :S |
| 17:52.54 | abrotman | twice |
| 17:53.00 | enouf | 2x |
| 17:53.06 | stiv2k | oh right but that was like ~3 hours ago |
| 17:53.11 | abrotman | actually .. three times if you count the failed attempt |
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| 17:53.25 | Rapp__ | anyone? |
| 17:53.26 | gvs | What kernel does the debian testing installation CD use? |
| 17:53.27 | abrotman | stiv2k: so what .. stop doing it |
| 17:53.35 | abrotman | gvs: either .24 or .25 |
| 17:53.41 | gvs | abrotman: excellent, thank you! |
| 17:53.44 | enouf | .25 |
| 17:53.45 | enouf | IIRC |
| 17:54.00 | gvs | sky2.c should work in .25 |
| 17:54.11 | enouf | oh wait - not sure, i know lenny has .25-x but the installater, not sure |
| 17:54.11 | stiv2k | abrotman: FYI, you might want to make dpkg stop responding to commands in the channel if you're *so* concerned about it |
| 17:54.44 | enouf | stiv2k: just move on, and /msg the bot in provate |
| 17:54.47 | enouf | private |
| 17:54.55 | abrotman | stiv2k: it's not my bot .. and stop doing it |
| 17:54.55 | stiv2k | moveon.org |
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| 17:55.24 | stiv2k | you don't have to keep telling me that over and over... I sort of understood at first request |
| 17:55.48 | hoxu | !penixstrike stiv2k |
| 17:55.48 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stiv2k to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 17:56.10 | stiv2k | sighs |
| 17:56.16 | stiv2k | hoxu: STOP doing that |
| 17:56.38 | stiv2k | !tell hoxu -about msg the bot |
| 17:56.58 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:57.11 | abrotman | stiv2k: stop already |
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| 17:57.35 | stiv2k | sorry man, just enforcing the same rules as they were told to me |
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| 17:58.00 | abrotman | kids ... |
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| 17:58.30 | Quibus | Hi, for some reason, "Send Link" stopped working in Iceweasel, although it is all supposed to be setup correctly (has worked for over a year). ANy ideas? |
| 17:59.03 | Lagbolt | its friday! there are no rules |
| 17:59.06 | hoxu | Quibus, what did you upgrade? |
| 17:59.16 | Quibus | hoxu: hard to say, I upgrade daily |
| 17:59.30 | hoxu | unstable? |
| 17:59.34 | Quibus | testing |
| 17:59.35 | Lagbolt | Quibus, your default mailer may have got messed, check update-alternatives maybe |
| 18:00.14 | abrotman | or the mailer got removed |
| 18:00.20 | Quibus | Lagbolt: which alternative points to an x-mail client? |
| 18:00.20 | Lagbolt | or that |
| 18:00.32 | Quibus | My GNOME default mailer is still "Icedove" |
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| 18:01.01 | Lagbolt | Quibus, um i just look in /etc/alternatives . .. a nice ls -l does a lot of good |
| 18:01.11 | Quibus | Lagbolt: did that, nothing about x-mailers |
| 18:01.17 | Lagbolt | mailx? |
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| 18:01.34 | Quibus | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2008-06-20 21:00 mailx -> /usr/bin/bsd-mailx |
| 18:01.36 | Lagbolt | i dont know, i have never messed with mailer. i copy and paste links |
| 18:01.54 | Rapp_ | ok, i figured out the mkinitrd syntax, but now i get the following error: http://www.pastebin.ca/1188672 |
| 18:02.03 | abrotman | Quibus: gnome? |
| 18:02.16 | Rapp_ | does anyone know what the stat message means? |
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| 18:02.27 | Quibus | abrotman: yes, default GNOME mailer is still set to Icedove, which it should be. |
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| 18:03.41 | Lagbolt | Quibus, you can do it in about:config |
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| 18:03.58 | Quibus | Lagbolt: I know, that one is set up correctly, pointing to /usr/bin/icedove |
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| 18:04.03 | Lagbolt | Quibus, http://64studio.com/manual/configuration_guide/internet scroll down |
| 18:04.14 | Lagbolt | hmmm well dunno |
| 18:04.16 | Quibus | (as it used to work after I did this about a year ago) |
| 18:04.25 | Lagbolt | Quibus, network.protocol-handler.app.mailto <-- that string? |
| 18:04.39 | Quibus | yep, that one |
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| 18:05.59 | Lagbolt | Quibus, what version of iceweasel you using? i click send link and i get a box that asks me what programs i want to use for mail |
| 18:06.00 | Rapp_ | ok, mkinitrd does not work, but mkinitramfs does! :) problem solved |
| 18:06.30 | Quibus | Lagbolt: 3.0.1-1 |
| 18:06.46 | Quibus | maybe I should remove that config string again? |
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| 18:07.17 | xingu | Rapp_: update-initramfs is "probably" the wrapper you want to use. |
| 18:07.18 | enouf | http://dcc.vu/ubuntu-linux-file-send-link-with-gmail.html |
| 18:07.20 | Lagbolt | Quibus, try it, or start a new profile iceweasel with fresh settings and see |
| 18:07.27 | Lagbolt | maybe something has changed |
| 18:07.36 | Quibus | maybe :-) |
| 18:07.38 | Quibus | I'll try it |
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| 18:08.08 | enouf | Rapp_: iinm, mkinitrd was for old style initrds (Compressed ROM fs) |
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| 18:08.35 | enouf | xingu: and mkinitramfs-kpkg :-P |
| 18:08.49 | greymalkin | Fresh install of etchnhalf -- nvidia non-free breaks at compilation. Known problem? |
| 18:09.06 | deus___ | !nvidia |
| 18:09.06 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 18:09.17 | Quibus | Lagbolt: yeah! I removed the key and it works now :-) |
| 18:09.29 | Lagbolt | Quibus, yeah i dont even have that option |
| 18:09.31 | Lagbolt | they must have changed it |
| 18:09.40 | Quibus | it seems so |
| 18:09.41 | Lagbolt | external.mailto maybe |
| 18:09.59 | Quibus | I had to add it myself as it didn't work in 2.x |
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| 18:10.28 | Quibus | thankas for the idea :-) |
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| 18:10.45 | Lagbolt | no prob |
| 18:10.49 | xerophyte | how can i increase the number of ttys on the server, i have crowed sheel access server which lack of ttys ? |
| 18:11.10 | Quibus | greymalkin: are you using the module-assistant method? |
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| 18:12.01 | greymalkin | Quibus: Yup |
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| 18:12.15 | xingu | Rapp_: nb, _actual_ initrd's (as in, compressed loopback filesystems) have gone the way of the dodo from memory (and if not, they should) |
| 18:12.18 | Quibus | greymalkin: hmm, has always worked for me, ,using testing |
| 18:12.30 | Quibus | (with nvidia drivers from unstable) |
| 18:12.42 | pseubodot | is there a way to check a package's installed binaries against a set of signatures? (eg. what md5s these binaries *should* have)? |
| 18:12.54 | enouf | xingu: haha @ dodo |
| 18:13.19 | enouf | !debsums |
| 18:13.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debsums is a package that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will cause it to check config files. |
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| 18:13.54 | pseubodot | enouf: thanks! |
| 18:13.57 | pseubodot | !botsnack |
| 18:13.57 | dpkg | :), pseubodot |
| 18:14.35 | enouf | np ;-) |
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| 18:17.07 | dudeman | hey |
| 18:17.11 | dudeman | stop fucking with the bot |
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| 18:17.36 | dudeman | !botsmite pseubodot |
| 18:17.38 | dudeman | damnit |
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| 18:18.12 | prolix | huh |
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| 18:18.45 | DawnLight | anyone using a backup software backups to dvd's? i'm looking for this kind'a |
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| 18:19.27 | pseubodot | !abrotmansnack |
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| 18:19.40 | abrotman | hi pete |
| 18:19.48 | pseubodot | you live! |
| 18:19.51 | pseubodot | hello alex |
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| 18:21.06 | abrotman | yes i live |
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| 18:23.49 | pseubodot | abrotman: two more weeks |
| 18:23.53 | pseubodot | abrotman: only two more weeks! |
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| 18:24.10 | enouf | DawnLight: i had installed backuppc for that purpose, but never used it |
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| 18:24.39 | Quibus | see you later |
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| 18:24.43 | enouf | i think a recent upgrade removed it now ;-) i've had it sitting there since Sarge O_o |
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| 18:25.49 | DawnLight | perhaps mondo |
| 18:26.33 | webPragmatist | how can i fix that some of my chars in vim show up as â |
| 18:26.40 | webPragmatist | or man |
| 18:26.54 | webPragmatist | i think my locales is wacko |
| 18:29.18 | simonrvn | webPragmatist: yes |
| 18:29.25 | simonrvn | are |
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| 18:30.23 | enouf | DawnLight: i also see some choices from apt-cache search dvd | grep backup |
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| 18:31.21 | enouf | DawnLight: mondo might be outdated? how about amanda? (i see some output from above command as supplemental to amanda) bacula? er .. |
| 18:31.30 | alturiak | has anyone here ever tried to archive CVS-Repositories on read-only filesystems, still allowing "read"-operations like checkouts? It seems to me that the creation of "read-locks" is what makes it fail most of the times and I wonder if there is a way to make CVS (either client or server) aware of the fact that its FS is read-only and it therefore doesn't need to be locked? |
| 18:31.43 | DawnLight | amanda is the outdated one |
| 18:31.45 | enouf | cdrw-taper - taper replacement for amanda to support backups to CD-RW or DVD+RW |
| 18:31.46 | DawnLight | brb |
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| 18:31.52 | enouf | no it isn't |
| 18:31.55 | enouf | you are |
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| 18:33.05 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.08 | cast | woops |
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| 18:34.56 | enouf | http://scdbackup.sourceforge.net/main_eng.html not tested |
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| 18:35.27 | enouf | but atleast he lists dvd+rw-tools 7.x , so that's fairly recent |
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| 18:36.04 | enouf | and one more http://www.serice.net/shunt/ |
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| 18:36.17 | cbk486 | Where are the xserver error logs located? |
| 18:36.43 | enouf | but i know you're an MPoop lover - so backuppc is likely for you |
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| 18:36.56 | enouf | cbk486: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:37.02 | enouf | recent |
| 18:37.05 | cbk486 | thanks |
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| 18:37.07 | enouf | others are previous |
| 18:37.12 | enouf | cbk486: there' |
| 18:37.23 | abrotman | pseubodot: yay! |
| 18:37.24 | enouf | s also ~/.xsession-errors |
| 18:37.30 | greymalkin | Got it -- just ran the installer from nVidia -- man it's nice to be back to Debian after a bad experience with Ubuntu and Gentoo (respectively) |
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| 18:40.37 | ethanol | ssh error: Add correct host key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. |
| 18:40.44 | ethanol | how do I add the key? and what is it? |
| 18:40.48 | ethanol | it only shows me an RSA key |
| 18:40.59 | ethanol | RSA fingerprint* rather |
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| 18:42.35 | mquin | ethanol: that usually happens when the host key has changed. Provided you know that the key should have changed remove the old entry from your known_hosts file then ssh to the machine again - you'll be prompted to add the new key |
| 18:43.13 | ethanol | it should have changed yes, we did |
| 18:43.20 | ethanol | I guess we just forgot this local machine completely |
| 18:43.25 | ethanol | we only updated the remote machiens |
| 18:43.26 | ethanol | machines* |
| 18:43.40 | ethanol | but there are a lot of keys in known_hosts |
| 18:43.45 | ethanol | :4 does that mean line 4? |
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| 18:47.09 | p1ngp0ng | i just installed debian again, (base system only) and now im unsure of how the source.list is supose to look like. can someone please help me out? |
| 18:47.19 | alcohol | uh |
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| 18:47.33 | alcohol | it should look like the way it looks after doing a base install? |
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| 18:48.00 | alcohol | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/post-your-source.list-330913/ |
| 18:48.00 | p1ngp0ng | uhm im pretty sure there should be something more than just security.debian.org |
| 18:48.03 | alcohol | google wins |
| 18:48.09 | p1ngp0ng | im not in x m8 |
| 18:48.17 | alcohol | lynx it |
| 18:48.29 | alcohol | I just did a base install too |
| 18:48.32 | alcohol | lenny though |
| 18:48.37 | alcohol | but it has a lot more than just security |
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| 18:48.49 | p1ngp0ng | thats a long url to remember tho :P |
| 18:48.57 | p1ngp0ng | grabs camera phone |
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| 18:49.27 | alcohol | hrm |
| 18:49.31 | alcohol | where is source.list again? |
| 18:49.35 | alcohol | my locate is broken :< |
| 18:49.44 | p1ngp0ng | /etc/apt/ |
| 18:50.04 | alcohol | I have |
| 18:50.05 | alcohol | deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 18:50.05 | alcohol | deb-src http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 18:50.05 | alcohol | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
| 18:50.05 | alcohol | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
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| 18:50.08 | p1ngp0ng | i need to know the backport url, and where non-free is supose to be |
| 18:50.10 | p1ngp0ng | lol thanks |
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| 18:50.13 | p1ngp0ng | thanks |
| 18:50.14 | p1ngp0ng | hehe |
| 18:50.15 | alcohol | doh |
| 18:50.18 | datacrusher | how do i test if an user/station gots access to my samba share, without going to fisically to the station? |
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| 18:50.46 | alcohol | ssh? |
| 18:51.06 | NeonLightning | p1ngp0ng: the non-free part goes after the word main same with contrib |
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| 18:51.59 | simonrvn | !tell alcohol -about paste |
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| 18:52.07 | alcohol | yea my bad |
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| 18:52.33 | alcohol | simonrvn: can you also tell me a good how-to on explaining the basics behind users and groups (adduser/addgroup and viewing all existing users and groups) |
| 18:53.04 | simonrvn | !grounding |
| 18:53.04 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 18:53.15 | simonrvn | ^^^ |
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| 18:53.46 | alcohol | under which of those falls user and group info? |
| 18:54.19 | p1ngp0ng | NeonLightning: thank. so it's http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free? |
| 18:54.20 | alcohol | we always used root on dev server. but that seemed silly to me, so on the new (well, second) dev server I wanna use proper users and stuff |
| 18:54.58 | simonrvn | start with fundamentals |
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| 18:55.21 | p1ngp0ng | oh, and the backports url, i need that aswell |
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| 18:55.27 | alcohol | cheers |
| 18:55.28 | simonrvn | gotta learn how to walk and crawl before you can run |
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| 18:56.43 | simonrvn | np |
| 18:56.54 | dustybin | on the apache website, it says this command should exist |
| 18:56.58 | dustybin | /usr/local/apache2/bin/httpd -S |
| 18:57.04 | dustybin | however, on debian, it doesnt |
| 18:57.05 | alcohol | simonrvn: the url provided by dpkg for fundamentals lists nothing regarding my question |
| 18:57.17 | dustybin | puts finger on lip like dr evil |
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| 18:58.52 | dustybin | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/ <-- its written here |
| 18:59.08 | dustybin | "If you are trying to debug your virtual host configuration, you may find the Apache -S command line switch useful. That is, type the following command:" |
| 18:59.25 | dustybin | /usr/local/apache2/bin/httpd -S <--- hmmm, maybe there is a debian way? |
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| 18:59.54 | alcohol | uh |
| 18:59.55 | alcohol | dude |
| 19:00.19 | alcohol | try apache2ctl -S |
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| 19:01.16 | p1ngp0ng | damn, lynx doesnt support image verification |
| 19:01.23 | p1ngp0ng | hehe |
| 19:01.25 | alcohol | simonrvn: got anything more specific regarding users and groups? ): |
| 19:01.26 | p1ngp0ng | crap |
| 19:01.28 | dustybin | alcohol: hmm, debian renamed it... |
| 19:01.32 | dustybin | alcohol: thanks |
| 19:01.33 | alcohol | dustybin: renamed what? |
| 19:01.42 | simonrvn | bit busy atm |
| 19:01.42 | dustybin | httpd |
| 19:01.44 | alcohol | dustybin: it's a simplified script |
| 19:01.47 | simonrvn | bbiab |
| 19:01.47 | dustybin | aye ok |
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| 19:05.52 | NeonLightning | p1ngp0ng: try links2 with the command links2 -g |
| 19:06.31 | datacrusher | i need to install the flash player for my opera browser, in debian |
| 19:06.43 | datacrusher | wich will be most especific, rpm, tar.gz..? |
| 19:06.51 | datacrusher | YUM |
| 19:07.03 | alcohol | why does apt-get remove apache not delete /var/apache/ and such ? |
| 19:07.49 | Lagbolt | alcohol, apache is a metapackage i think. dpkg -l | grep apache |
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| 19:08.22 | Eulex | datacrusher, use the flashplugin-nonfree package. |
| 19:08.49 | datacrusher | apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree ? |
| 19:09.05 | Eulex | datacrusher, yes. if your sources are set up correctly. |
| 19:09.37 | datacrusher | its missing |
| 19:09.44 | datacrusher | do you know the repository for this package? |
| 19:09.52 | Eulex | datacrusher, etch, lenny or sid? |
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| 19:09.57 | NeonLightning | datacrusher: your on lenny arn't you |
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| 19:10.22 | datacrusher | etch |
| 19:10.29 | Eulex | alcohol, because a simple remove does not remove config files. you need to purge the package for that. |
| 19:10.35 | Lagbolt | datacrusher, i have it in unstable/contrib. guess its not in testing |
| 19:10.35 | Eulex | datacrusher, I believe backports.org has it. |
| 19:10.42 | Lagbolt | yeah backports |
| 19:10.43 | datacrusher | iv installed debian 4, downloaded this mondey |
| 19:10.43 | alcohol | how does purge work/ |
| 19:10.53 | datacrusher | monday |
| 19:11.00 | Lagbolt | alcohol, it removes configuration files |
| 19:11.23 | Eulex | datacrusher, yes, and backports.org sources are not setup by default. |
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| 19:11.32 | Eulex | alcohol, it removes normal files and config files. |
| 19:11.40 | Eulex | !tell alcohol about purge |
| 19:11.45 | alcohol | cheers |
| 19:11.52 | alcohol | goodnight all |
| 19:12.46 | datacrusher | deb http://www.backports.org |
| 19:12.46 | datacrusher | ?? |
| 19:12.49 | xingu | heh, x11 shm pixmaps verses numa, fight! |
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| 19:13.44 | Eulex | datacrusher, backports.org has instructions. read them. |
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| 19:15.22 | AndroidData | hi, also asked this at #ubuntu but it's probably the same deal on debian: I would like to block programs that regular users run from opening any port unless explicitly permitted for a particular user. is this possible, and if so, how? |
| 19:16.59 | datacrusher | nice, i added one more near me on the list, but its saing something about a public key |
| 19:17.08 | datacrusher | must i worry about it? |
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| 19:18.57 | esaym-acer | how do I get man to use something other than more? |
| 19:19.11 | enouf | esaym-acer: intall less |
| 19:19.18 | esaym-acer | that easy? |
| 19:19.23 | enouf | esaym-acer: er, yep |
| 19:19.24 | esaym-acer | awsome-o |
| 19:19.32 | NeonLightning | or most |
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| 19:19.52 | enouf | i'm thinking if update-alternatives --config pager chooses |
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| 19:20.20 | Linuturk | how do I tell exim4 to use a smarthost (comcast) for sending mail? |
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| 19:23.14 | Lagbolt | who follows a "howto" with lots of spelling mistakes and things like "I'm pretty sure" in it? |
| 19:24.11 | Linuturk | lol Lagbolt |
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| 19:25.31 | jeffspeff | what is the suggested way to make a byte for byte copy of a dvd? i used dd to make an image of the dvd, but i can't figure out how to send that to a new dvd with the same precision... |
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| 19:25.48 | Lagbolt | jeffspeff, dd to make iso then burn the iso |
| 19:26.01 | cast | man growisofs |
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| 19:26.19 | Lagbolt | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Backup_a_DVD |
| 19:26.24 | cast | dunno how well what you're doing works if the dvd has copy 'protection' mechanisms though |
| 19:26.35 | JordiGH | Why does userdel think that a user is logged in but no such user appears in who? |
| 19:26.39 | JordiGH | Or deluser |
| 19:26.41 | Lagbolt | cast, are you talking about pirating? |
| 19:26.43 | jeffspeff | will gorwisofs burn the disk byte to byte... it's the copy protection stuff that i'm having problems with |
| 19:26.47 | minerale | i'm mounting a 'webdav' folder then rsyncing from it, but rsync does not transfer some files beacause the webdav 'date' does not change on the folder, is there a way to have rsync check every file's filestamp ? |
| 19:26.54 | JordiGH | !piracy |
| 19:26.58 | JordiGH | !pirate |
| 19:26.58 | dpkg | pirate is probably a robber and murderer in international waters. See <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy> |
| 19:27.09 | JordiGH | Yarrr.. |
| 19:27.12 | cast | Lagbolt: no. |
| 19:27.37 | jeffspeff | no, not trying to pirate anything... i have some older ps2 games that are getting really scratched and i want to back them up |
| 19:27.39 | Lagbolt | cast, i misread that |
| 19:27.59 | Lagbolt | jeffspeff, i know a guy who made backups of ps2 games with k3b |
| 19:28.13 | Lagbolt | jeffspeff, had trouble with dd, didnt seem to get all of the disc |
| 19:28.33 | JordiGH | Is it legal to backup a ps2 game? |
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| 19:28.56 | JordiGH | jeffspeff: I believe they're trying to rule that as copyright infringement too. |
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| 19:28.59 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, dont know, but i know if you just copy them it works so no serious protection |
| 19:29.01 | jeffspeff | i don't see why not, i own the ps2, and i have rights to use the game |
| 19:29.09 | p1ngp0ng | how do i find my display adapters bus identifier? |
| 19:29.14 | Lagbolt | you are not breaking any encryption. but the license might not permit it |
| 19:29.20 | adama | p1ngp0ng: lspci |
| 19:29.24 | JordiGH | jeffspeff: That's what you believe, but I think the law can be interpreted otherwise. |
| 19:29.25 | p1ngp0ng | thanks |
| 19:29.55 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: Ah, a byte-by-byte copy, I bet that can be done, unless the hardware itself enforces some sort of DRM. |
| 19:29.56 | p1ngp0ng | uhm, command not found. |
| 19:29.57 | jeffspeff | Lagbolt, just copying the dvd doesn't work |
| 19:30.21 | Lagbolt | jeffspeff, ps2 games? i know for a fact that my friend did ps2 games. but you cant play them in the ps2 |
| 19:30.27 | adama | p1ngp0ng: apt-get install pciutils |
| 19:30.33 | Lagbolt | the ps2 is smarter you have to get the ps2 cdboot stuff |
| 19:30.47 | Lagbolt | Lagbolt, mods to play burned dvds |
| 19:31.04 | jeffspeff | Lagbolt, but don't you have to buy those boot cd's? that defeats the point entirely |
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| 19:31.07 | Lagbolt | so i guess yeah you cant copy and play but you can makeit work |
| 19:31.26 | Lagbolt | jeffspeff, well the other option is to tell sony they have to replace your scratched games |
| 19:31.31 | adama | p1ngp0ng: that information should probably also appear in dmsg, try dmsg|less, then search (press /) for VGA |
| 19:31.34 | cast | dont ps2 disks have an area you can't write to with a dvd burner |
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| 19:31.49 | Lagbolt | cast, correct |
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| 19:32.06 | jeffspeff | i don't see why you can't make an exact replica of the disc, enryption and all, and it work... |
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| 19:32.09 | adama | p1ngp0ng: sorry, dmesg |
| 19:32.09 | enouf | jeffspeff: worst case try k9copy |
| 19:32.29 | jeffspeff | i even tried overburning, dao, and some other stuff |
| 19:32.30 | enouf | jeffspeff: you have two burners? one writer atleast? |
| 19:32.35 | Lagbolt | jeffspeff, the ps2 wont play it. |
| 19:32.46 | jeffspeff | enouf, one dvd writer |
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| 19:32.50 | Lagbolt | jeffspeff, you have to get the dvd/cd boot loaders to trick it. bootmagic |
| 19:32.54 | p1ngp0ng | it sais 01:00.0. but when i try to enter it to the xorg-config, it sais incorrect format |
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| 19:33.55 | enouf | jeffspeff: and JordiGH yes, content protection mechanisms include purposefully bad sector areas .. and other things, like ARccOS is it? especially Sony Crap |
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| 19:34.10 | enouf | jeffspeff: + 1 reader? |
| 19:34.24 | alcohol | with PermitRootLogin no in sshd_config, it should still allow me to use 'su' correct? |
| 19:34.59 | enouf | where's Linuturk go? :-( |
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| 19:35.23 | JordiGH | enouf: Ack, that sucks. |
| 19:35.41 | JordiGH | alcohol: Yeah, one's got nothing to do with the other. |
| 19:35.55 | alcohol | yea didnt think so |
| 19:35.59 | p1ngp0ng | argh, why does it say incorrect format for my pci buss, when lspci states its 01:00:0 |
| 19:36.00 | alcohol | hrm, it must be something else then |
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| 19:37.01 | JordiGH | p1ngp0ng: from reading xorg.conf(5), it looks like the format should be "PCI:1:0:0" |
| 19:37.24 | jeffspeff | enouf, no, just 1 dvd drive on this system |
| 19:37.30 | enouf | jeffspeff: 1 reader + 1 writer ==> growisofs -Z -dvd-compat /dev/writer=/dev/reader |
| 19:37.37 | enouf | oh well |
| 19:37.49 | jeffspeff | enouf, my room mate has another reader... |
| 19:37.51 | dudeman | oye |
| 19:37.56 | enouf | worth a shot - not certain it would woek with content protected shit |
| 19:38.25 | jeffspeff | enouf, true, i'll give that a shot |
| 19:38.30 | enouf | jeffspeff: and how can you be sure your dd'd image is an exact vcopy? |
| 19:38.37 | Lagbolt | jeffspeff, copy all you want, you are wasting dvds. it will not play in ps2 |
| 19:38.39 | JordiGH | Let's call a spade a fucking shovel. Information isn't hurt when it's copied. It's encrypted or crippled shit. |
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| 19:38.44 | p1ngp0ng | JordiGH: heh, ofc it does :P |
| 19:38.45 | p1ngp0ng | thanks |
| 19:39.00 | Lagbolt | jeffspeff, the dvd they use to book is highly specialized. it has blanked out rings and a strange design. good luch |
| 19:39.14 | enouf | sure - let me know jeffspeff - i've used that method for non-content protected copies - and growisofs just call dd anyway |
| 19:39.50 | jeffspeff | Lagbolt, but would an exact replica not also have the blanked out rings, etc? |
| 19:40.25 | Lagbolt | jeffspeff, no. because they are tricking the ps2 into playing it. your dvd writer can not burn a disk that will play |
| 19:40.40 | Lagbolt | dont take my word for it. read online about it, or just waste hours and hundreds of dvds |
| 19:41.14 | Lagbolt | but my friend has bootmagic. and we spent some time getting it all to work. the disk they give you is a pressed dvd that is something your burnder can not make |
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| 19:41.53 | jeffspeff | hmmm... ok |
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| 19:42.04 | Gryflhase | I guess |
| 19:42.15 | Gryflhase | it depends on what mode do you copy the dvd |
| 19:42.23 | Gryflhase | if cour dvd-writer can read raw-discs |
| 19:42.26 | Gryflhase | etc |
| 19:43.30 | Lagbolt | jeffspeff, just read online about it. even with the bootmagic we couldnt use dd to make copies. |
| 19:43.39 | Lagbolt | it was very odd |
| 19:43.45 | \amethyst | Gryflhase: the problem is that there are intentional bad sectors which DVD-writing hardware can't create |
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| 19:44.19 | NeonLightning | when did apt start downloading more then one file at a time durring updates |
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| 19:44.27 | Lagbolt | jeffspeff, go here http://www.swapmagic3.com/ |
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| 19:44.45 | Lagbolt | it is more than a CD. you have to put 3 plastic pieces into your ps2 in order to swap the disks |
| 19:44.58 | jeffspeff | Lagbolt, all of the stuff i've read online about it everybody is using windows crap, i'd hoped linux would be advanced enough to do it. |
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| 19:45.46 | Penol | sudo dd if=/dev/zero of= /home/xen/domains/win01/disk.img bs=1M count=4096 |
| 19:45.47 | Penol | dont work |
| 19:45.55 | Penol | dd: unrecognized operand `/home/xen/domains/win01/disk.img' |
| 19:46.07 | \amethyst | Penol: no space after of= |
| 19:46.12 | NeonLightning | Lagbolt: know of a linux replacement for winhip? |
| 19:46.35 | Penol | \amethyst: ? |
| 19:46.38 | alcohol | doh silly me, can't su cause I didn't add me regular user account to root group yet |
| 19:46.49 | alcohol | will have to wait till monday -_- |
| 19:46.52 | cast | i'm always suspicious of people who sudo cd |
| 19:46.56 | keith4 | this is odd. can anyone help me figure out why a package that is listed on packages.debian.org as being in lenny... doesn't show up when i search for it with apt? |
| 19:47.01 | \amethyst | Penol: you wrote of= /home/xen/... |
| 19:47.02 | cast | s/cd/cmd/ |
| 19:47.03 | Lagbolt | NeonLightning, nope, sorry |
| 19:47.08 | abrotman | keith4: mirrors out of date? which package? |
| 19:47.08 | \amethyst | Penol: that should be of=/home/xen/... |
| 19:47.26 | cast | keith4: aptitude update lately, too? |
| 19:47.28 | keith4 | abrotman: zoneminder. using debian.lcs.mit.edu, which is usually very current |
| 19:47.33 | keith4 | just updated |
| 19:47.37 | Penol | \amethyst: thank you |
| 19:47.45 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.51 | abrotman | keith4: you need security sources |
| 19:48.02 | NeonLightning | Lagbolt: i'm getting a harddrive for mine shortly and i'm just not wanting to have to use my g/f's computer to transfer stuff to it |
| 19:48.15 | keith4 | abrotman: ah, that'd do it |
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| 19:48.21 | Lagbolt | NeonLightning, you could try vmware or virtualbox to run it |
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| 19:48.52 | keith4 | abrotman: bingo. thanks |
| 19:49.15 | abrotman | keith4: doesn't pdo say "security" ? |
| 19:49.46 | keith4 | abrotman: uh... yah. but it could be bigger, or more red, or something |
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| 19:49.56 | keith4 | or, i could move the terminal window out of the way |
| 19:50.10 | abrotman | keith4: more red? |
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| 19:50.31 | keith4 | abrotman: yah, it says "[security]" in red, bold text. but it could be *more* red |
| 19:50.38 | keith4 | or maybe... blinking! |
| 19:50.43 | abrotman | it needs a damn you stole it |
| 19:50.48 | daemon | hey guys what would be the equivlent to 'csup -L2 /sup-up; cd /usr/src; make buildworld; make installworld' in debian |
| 19:50.48 | keith4 | the blink tag is under-utilized these days |
| 19:50.53 | daemon | assuming moving branchs |
| 19:50.53 | minerale | is it possible to tell rsync 'not to overwrite' files in the destination folder? |
| 19:51.02 | abrotman | what would be thep iont? |
| 19:51.14 | JordiGH | minerale: unison can do that easily; I vastly prefer it to rsync. |
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| 19:53.04 | \amethyst | minerale: --ignore-existing |
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| 19:55.00 | minerale | \amethyst: ah yes,thank you, turns out -u does what I was looking for as well (stands for update, does not overwrite if destination is newer than source) |
| 19:55.36 | amal029 | daemon: first of all using ";" instead of "&&" is a bad habit since, ";" means do next thing even if previous does not succeed. If you want that, then, its different. |
| 19:56.03 | abrotman | it's not a "bad habit" .. you just have to understand the difference |
| 19:56.26 | daemon | which I do, and that was an example ;) |
| 19:56.27 | abrotman | daemon: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 19:56.39 | daemon | abrotman, that will upgrade Beta2 to Beta3? |
| 19:56.54 | abrotman | daemon: there is also dist-upgrade .. man aptitude |
| 19:56.59 | daemon | ok |
| 19:57.04 | abrotman | now called safe-upgrade and full-upgrade respectively |
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| 20:03.18 | enouf | abrotman: my god, they keep making aptitude .. er undesireable ;-) |
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| 20:03.28 | enouf | more and moreso |
| 20:03.33 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 20:03.50 | enouf | uh, 3 or 4 upgrade-types? |
| 20:03.59 | simonrvn | so? |
| 20:04.05 | enouf | what a dump |
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| 20:04.13 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 20:04.33 | simonrvn | takes a dump on enouf's head |
| 20:04.48 | Lagbolt | 4? its just 2 safe and full |
| 20:04.52 | simonrvn | dump /dev/hda2 >/dev/enouf |
| 20:04.58 | enouf | haha - /me returns the favor and vomits on simonrvn |
| 20:05.14 | simonrvn | !fail enouf |
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| 20:05.24 | enouf | !b0z0smite simonrvn |
| 20:05.26 | simonrvn | !losre enouf |
| 20:05.33 | simonrvn | !lose enouf |
| 20:05.33 | dpkg | enouf: You Lose. |
| 20:05.35 | simonrvn | ... |
| 20:05.41 | jpinx | rebooted and virtualbox is still giving the same problem |
| 20:05.45 | simonrvn | !lose me |
| 20:05.46 | dpkg | simonrvn: You Lose. |
| 20:06.19 | abrotman | hi? |
| 20:06.29 | simonrvn | hi! |
| 20:06.32 | spreeuw | /var/lib/mysql/mysql/ |
| 20:06.35 | spreeuw | brilliant |
| 20:06.35 | Gryflhase | Ok, Avidemux can't open the audio-device, while another application using it. How can I solve this problem? |
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| 20:07.07 | Gryflhase | (expect close the other application ;) ) |
| 20:07.17 | enouf | close it |
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| 20:08.36 | enouf | Lagbolt: upgrade, dist-upgrade, safe-upgrade, full-upgrade == 1 2 3 ... wait for it ... |
| 20:08.52 | enouf | !4 |
| 20:08.54 | Lagbolt | well upgrade and dist-upgrade arent in the man page anymore :) |
| 20:08.59 | kingsley_ | Why would /var/log/Xorg.0.log say '(EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)', when the "lsmod" command shows that it is loaded? |
| 20:09.17 | Lagbolt | they are left for historical reasons |
| 20:09.27 | enouf | Lagbolt: try it in Etch :-p |
| 20:09.37 | NeonLightning | i'm still used to using upgrade and dist-upgrade i honestly didn't know about safe and full |
| 20:09.40 | justin | kingsley_: that's the kernel module, not the X module |
| 20:09.44 | justin | kingsley_: you're missing nvidia-glx |
| 20:09.45 | Lagbolt | enouf, no stable for me |
| 20:09.59 | enouf | historical? like that hard turd i left on your lawn? :-) |
| 20:10.00 | kingsley_ | justin: Oh. |
| 20:10.09 | dudeman | rahul, ping |
| 20:10.24 | Lagbolt | enouf, yeah next time bring the pooper scooper lol |
| 20:10.34 | enouf | heh |
| 20:10.48 | Lagbolt | fridays are great |
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| 20:11.11 | GNLIA | hi there |
| 20:11.39 | GNLIA | does anyone knows a script that when we choose a folder it automaticly makes thumbs and a 'navigatable' webpage |
| 20:11.42 | enouf | kingsley_: lsmod shows kernel modules only (in case that wasn't clear) |
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| 20:12.13 | enouf | kingsley_: your Xorg.0.log will show failed Xorg (or 3rd party) module info |
| 20:12.24 | scgtrp | is it still considered a really bad thing to run unstable/sid? |
| 20:12.41 | GNLIA | scgtrp: im using it for 1 year |
| 20:12.47 | GNLIA | and have nothing to complain about |
| 20:12.51 | enouf | scgtrp: it always will be - it's a matter of if you can deal with it |
| 20:13.04 | scgtrp | enouf, yeah, i'm asking how much of a problem it will be :) |
| 20:13.04 | jelly | how do I tell HAL not ot use the "sync" option when automounting USB media? |
| 20:13.15 | enouf | scgtrp: it varies ;-) |
| 20:13.21 | scgtrp | i'm experienced enough to go and symlink a library or two if an update breaks something :) |
| 20:13.32 | scgtrp | (usually doesn't help, but worth a try) |
| 20:13.37 | enouf | jelly: mount option rule in udev rules? |
| 20:13.43 | GNLIA | enouf: wots the best FTP client you know? |
| 20:13.56 | jelly | enouf: where? how does it look like? |
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| 20:14.13 | enouf | GNLIA: not sure about a "navigateable web page" but checkout flimsel is it? |
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| 20:14.46 | kingsley_ | justin & enouf: Why would /var/log/Xorg.0.log say "(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so" if I need nvidia-glx? |
| 20:14.47 | enouf | jelly: i'm not sure, but that's how i'd go about it .. unless you have an automounter in your DE you can pass options to?> |
| 20:14.53 | NeonLightning | nftp isn't bad altho just plain ftp is still very usable |
| 20:14.58 | enouf | GNLIA: no idea about best ftp |
| 20:15.18 | enouf | GNLIA: http://www.ecademix.com/JohannesHofmann/flimsel.html |
| 20:15.26 | spreeuw | lftp is very good on the commandline |
| 20:15.39 | enouf | kingsley_: that i don't know - i don't mess with those binary blobs |
| 20:15.42 | spreeuw | and scp ofcourse |
| 20:15.53 | spreeuw | and wget |
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| 20:16.06 | GNLIA | enouf: thanks a lot ;) |
| 20:16.30 | enouf | jelly: there's also the usbmount pkg that's doesn't require a DE at all, or non-DE dependent thing |
| 20:16.44 | jelly | enouf: does it work with hal? |
| 20:17.20 | simonrvn | scp isn't ftp... |
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| 20:17.47 | enouf | jelly: hrm .. |
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| 20:18.12 | jelly | enouf: and the answer to that would be no, at least according to the deps |
| 20:18.17 | simonrvn | spreeuw: scp isn't ftp... |
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| 20:18.30 | enouf | just giving you options to look at ,.. yeah , i see the description now too, at the bottom |
| 20:18.58 | enouf | why do you need it to depend on hal anyway? |
| 20:19.11 | enouf | wouldn't you rather it depend on udev? :-P |
| 20:19.18 | simonrvn | runs a daemon polling usb subsystem iirc |
| 20:19.51 | jelly | enouf: I don't need anything, just for it to work |
| 20:19.55 | enouf | solid_liq: but that's for Desktop Icon crap |
| 20:20.05 | enouf | er, wrong nick |
| 20:20.16 | enouf | solid_liq: hey! where the hell ya been you weenie?! |
| 20:20.29 | jelly | hal polls sd* and similar devices; I find it distasteful |
| 20:20.39 | enouf | !stab hal |
| 20:20.39 | dpkg | runs at hal with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 20:20.50 | justin | kingsley_: uhh, did you install nvidia-glx or not? |
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| 20:22.42 | energY | Can grub boot debian from a usb? |
| 20:22.49 | ewoerner | hi |
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| 20:23.10 | ewoerner | xserver-xorg-video-intel has superseded 915resolution, right? |
| 20:23.16 | jpinx | my virtualbox is still telling me VBox status code: -1908 (VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED), but I installed virtualbox-ose* |
| 20:23.21 | jpinx | Any odeas anyone? |
| 20:23.29 | enouf | ewoerner: pretty sure, for lenny anyways |
| 20:23.37 | justin | jpinx: m-a a-i virtualbox-ose -t |
| 20:23.46 | enouf | ewoerner: also, in lenny, intel + i810 are merged into intel |
| 20:23.50 | kingsley_ | justin: Thanks for keeping me focused. Indeed, the package named "nvidia-glx" is not installed. I'll apt-get it. |
| 20:24.18 | ewoerner | my problem is that i cannot get correct resolution for my laptop, worked fine with 915resolution before |
| 20:24.26 | justin | kingsley_: that will probably fix your problem, if not, you'll at least get a different error message |
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| 20:25.05 | jpinx | justin: thanks - running that now |
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| 20:26.40 | ewoerner | i've tried a) dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg b) removing xorg.conf |
| 20:26.56 | kingsley_ | justin: Oddly, the nvidia-glx package seems to have already been on the computer, but it needed to be unpacked and set up. Anyways, I'm off to use the sneaker-net to restart X. |
| 20:26.57 | enouf | ewoerner: etch? lenny? |
| 20:27.01 | ewoerner | lenny |
| 20:27.15 | enouf | ewoerner: totally new Xorg |
| 20:27.28 | enouf | autoconfigure - read the release notes |
| 20:27.45 | ewoerner | enouf: that's b) ? |
| 20:27.51 | enouf | you likely want to define the resolutions manually in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:28.05 | enouf | also look into xrandr |
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| 20:28.30 | jpinx | justin: can you tell me what that command is doing? It's installing stuff, but where? |
| 20:28.50 | p1ngp0ng | what have i done wrong if i get a black screen after installing and configuring the nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64? |
| 20:28.57 | enouf | !tell jpinx -about module-assistant |
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| 20:29.12 | jpinx | enouf: ta |
| 20:29.31 | enouf | np |
| 20:29.40 | p1ngp0ng | i installed the kernel, installed the glx ia32 driver and configured xorg. and all i get is black screen when i launch x |
| 20:30.07 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: check logs to start |
| 20:30.07 | justin | p1ngp0ng: uhhh, amd64!=ia32 |
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| 20:30.18 | enouf | right, unless chroot ing |
| 20:30.29 | p1ngp0ng | you're supose to use the ia32 glx driver. |
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| 20:30.50 | enouf | steps back |
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| 20:31.29 | p1ngp0ng | enouf: dont step back just yet. how do i check the log for startx? |
| 20:31.32 | p1ngp0ng | :P |
| 20:32.05 | enouf | !Xorg.0.log |
| 20:32.17 | enouf | and who says you're supposed to what? |
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| 20:33.08 | p1ngp0ng | i was told that you need to isntall the ai32 glx driver on etch if you are on a amd64 system |
| 20:33.25 | p1ngp0ng | actuallu dpkg said it |
| 20:33.48 | enouf | hrm, recall the factoid? |
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| 20:34.03 | enouf | are you chroot installing? |
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| 20:34.18 | p1ngp0ng | ./msg dpkg !nvidia-oneliner |
| 20:34.22 | p1ngp0ng | i think |
| 20:34.47 | enouf | takes two steps back |
| 20:34.52 | enouf | :-P |
| 20:34.54 | p1ngp0ng | ndivia one-liner* |
| 20:34.57 | jpinx | how do I get the virtualbox to use the XP CD to install? |
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| 20:35.16 | enouf | tell it to? see #virtualbox |
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| 20:37.35 | Laeborg|Lap | how can i see all network computers ? |
| 20:37.49 | beni- | hi. i'm rsync-ing my macbook pro's files to my debian server (the rsync is started from debian). i noticed that rsync copies some files to my server, even though they're unchanged on my macbook pro. why that? could the problem be on the debian-servers side? |
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| 20:39.18 | enouf | Laeborg|Lap: the entire internet? |
| 20:40.32 | Laeborg|Lap | no lan |
| 20:40.36 | cire | does 'send host-name "<hostname>"' in dhclient.conf still forward the hostname from /etc/hostname? Not working here. |
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| 20:41.50 | enouf | Laeborg|Lap: i guess nmap |
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| 20:42.07 | enouf | Laeborg|Lap: also netstat -tunap for local connections |
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| 20:42.13 | ewoerner | enouf: thanks for your help, however, the problem was something different |
| 20:42.28 | ewoerner | don't know what the problem was, but a reboot solved it |
| 20:42.33 | enouf | ewoerner: ahh.. care to share? |
| 20:42.38 | enouf | heh |
| 20:42.43 | enouf | !reboot |
| 20:42.43 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 20:42.47 | ewoerner | even without using an xorg.conf at all |
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| 20:43.12 | enouf | sure, autoconfig is supposed to work that way - just many times, it doesn't |
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| 20:43.34 | ewoerner | the real question is why before reboot, it didn't work, after reboot it did |
| 20:43.40 | enouf | ewoerner: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 20:44.24 | enouf | ewoerner: you might have had old 3D binary blob mess? or restarted X incorrectly? (not so cleanly) |
| 20:44.50 | ewoerner | enouf: this was a fresh lenny install |
| 20:44.58 | enouf | ewoerner: xrandr should show you your resolutions now too |
| 20:45.20 | ewoerner | the reboot was the first on that system |
| 20:45.30 | enouf | well, duh |
| 20:45.31 | ewoerner | only thing i did was installing xorg and kde |
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| 20:46.47 | dudeman | hey |
| 20:46.59 | dudeman | !restart |
| 20:46.59 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 20:47.02 | dudeman | ahh |
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| 20:47.46 | ewoerner | yeah, i know |
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| 20:48.09 | ewoerner | now i just need someone to explain what else i should have done to solve that problem |
| 20:48.17 | ewoerner | apart from rebooting |
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| 20:51.20 | egns | pira a comer, saluditos :P |
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| 20:55.54 | enouf | ewoerner: the installer always requires (atleast) one reboot, iirc |
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| 20:56.00 | TPC | hello, I have a problem |
| 20:56.37 | TPC | when I try to run SDL based games they try to change the screen settings to ones not supported by my screen |
| 20:56.57 | TPC | too high refresh rate (mine supports up to 60hz, they try to set it to 85hz) |
| 20:57.16 | TPC | the screen just displays a "out of range" error message |
| 20:57.29 | TPC | is there a config file somewhere where I can set what resolution SDL games should use? |
| 20:57.33 | TPC | it seems to happen with all SDL games |
| 20:57.46 | enouf | egrep 'Hor|Ver' /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:58.20 | enouf | does your monitor really suck that bad? |
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| 20:58.49 | TPC | enouf, I guess so |
| 20:59.20 | TPC | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.20 | TPC | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.26 | enouf | heh |
| 20:59.39 | TPC | so those are not set right? I think I got those values from xorgs log or something |
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| 20:59.58 | enouf | you should get them from your Monitor's manual |
| 21:00.16 | enouf | though those might be right |
| 21:00.24 | kingsley_ | Is it OK to use version 173.14.09 of the nvidia-kernel-source with a "legacy" GPU, that's otherwise supported by "legacy' version 96.43.07 of nvidia's driver? |
| 21:00.36 | TPC | I don't have the manual |
| 21:00.41 | enouf | google does |
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| 21:01.08 | kingsley_ | If not, where could I find a legacy version of the nvidia-kernel-source package? |
| 21:01.24 | kingsley_ | s/nvidia-kernel-source/nvidia-kernel-source package/ |
| 21:01.41 | enouf | could be tough, try bpo ? |
| 21:01.49 | enouf | or oldstable? |
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| 21:04.18 | TPC | enouf, found it on the manufacturers website, it seems like I have the correct numbers |
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| 21:04.27 | enouf | kingsley_: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia+legacy&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all ? |
| 21:04.47 | enouf | TPC: ok, so.. |
| 21:04.48 | TPC | anything else that could be wrong? |
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| 21:05.10 | enouf | i'm not familiar with SDL, nor games, maybe you could use xv ? |
| 21:05.24 | TPC | the games doesn't have that option |
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| 21:05.57 | TPC | some games I can get working by running in windowed mode, but not all games has a windowed mode |
| 21:06.02 | enouf | TPC: maybe you can tell/set your monitor to 85Hz |
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| 21:06.22 | enouf | TPC: i know i can, in my DE |
| 21:06.42 | TPC | my monitor doesn't support 85Hz |
| 21:06.43 | enouf | maybe xrandr can too? |
| 21:06.51 | enouf | you just said it does |
| 21:06.55 | TPC | no |
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| 21:07.11 | TPC | if you try to switch to above 60Hz it gives an "out of range" error message |
| 21:07.42 | enouf | [17:02:57] <TPC> enouf, found it on the manufacturers website, it seems like I have the correct numbers |
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| 21:07.56 | S-i-A | hi |
| 21:08.01 | enouf | then you have to wrong resolution |
| 21:08.08 | S-i-A | any idea abbout this error |
| 21:08.09 | S-i-A | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/83849/ |
| 21:08.16 | enouf | xrandr will show you |
| 21:08.23 | TPC | 1440x900, which is the monitors native resolution |
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| 21:08.41 | enouf | that's not a monitor |
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| 21:08.58 | Markov | mhm |
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| 21:09.34 | S-i-A | any idea? |
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| 21:10.30 | abrotman | S-i-A: it tells you what to do |
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| 21:12.29 | enouf | you could also try lowering your bit-ness from 24 -> 16 |
| 21:13.08 | S-i-A | abrotman: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/83856/ |
| 21:13.16 | abrotman | means nothing to me |
| 21:13.48 | S-i-A | :) |
| 21:14.08 | dserban | Maybe someone can help... though I'll probably get slapped with "That's what you should expect for running sid/experimental"... :) I installed KDE 4.1 from experimental and everything is peachy-keen, except for one thing. My window decorations are effed (and gone), I'm assuming it's compiz trying to take over as the wm, though that's fine it seems that there's a compiz-kde package and it depends on kde 3.5+... sooooo... my question i |
| 21:14.20 | kingsley_ | enouf: Thanks for uncovering a stable version of the nvidia-kernel-legacy-source package. Your technique helped me find the corresponding verison for unstable. |
| 21:14.43 | abrotman | dserban: #debian-kde |
| 21:14.43 | enouf | kingsley_: very nice ;-) |
| 21:14.55 | newsense | dserban: try compiz--replace |
| 21:15.07 | newsense | dserban: try or kwin --replace |
| 21:15.18 | dserban | abrotman: thanks. |
| 21:15.23 | dserban | newsense: will try, danke |
| 21:15.32 | newsense | dserban: s/compiz--replace/compiz --replace |
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| 21:15.41 | maligor | aren't all the user settings in ~/.kde4 |
| 21:15.49 | maligor | you could try removing or renaming it |
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| 21:16.08 | enouf | kingsley_: heh, i didn't think there was any legacy in sid, so i went back in time :-P |
| 21:16.12 | maligor | the kde 4.1 packages in experimental work fine here |
| 21:16.14 | snewp | just wondering when i do update-rc.d it will give me S20 in all rc3-rc6. i thought it is in order ? |
| 21:16.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | newsense, unterminated `s' command |
| 21:16.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
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| 21:16.59 | enouf | if using Lenny - you should be using kde4 backports |
| 21:17.00 | newsense | CutMeOwnThroat: ? |
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| 21:17.05 | dserban | maligor: I've removed it completely, same problem. |
| 21:17.46 | dserban | newsense: neither of those commands helped in the sense that I want to keep compiz running, kwin works, but takes away the compiz effects obviously, on the other hand when I run compiz replace... my decorations go away :( |
| 21:18.04 | enouf | !kde4 |
| 21:18.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | newsense, nevermind... your s/compiz... above is missing the final '/' - was just a cheesy joke |
| 21:18.04 | dpkg | [kde 4] a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. See http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ Experimental packages for KDE 4.1 are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>. For lenny backports, see http://kde4.debian.net/ |
| 21:18.24 | newsense | CutMeOwnThroat: ahhh :\ |
| 21:19.15 | newsense | im going to play ps3 |
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| 21:32.05 | heroxbd | How to disable xterm's flow control (C-s/C-q), so that I can use emacs seamlessly inside it? |
| 21:32.49 | elik | I'm havin a hard time with my rtap interface: when I create it manually (echo 1 > /sys/bus/drivers/ipw2200/*/rtap_iface, it gets the name rtap0, but if I add a script to modprob.d, called ipw2200 with "options ipw2200 rtap_iface=1", it gets the name rtap0_rename |
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| 21:36.06 | dmoerner | elik: if i remember correctly the creation of _rename devices is a problem of redundant udev rules you might try search google for that with udev |
| 21:36.07 | yqnnick | what's an elegant way to delete the the 2 oldest (sub)directories in the directory /home/test/ |
| 21:36.26 | dmoerner | yqnnick: use find -delete, and search by date |
| 21:37.12 | scintilla | bye |
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| 21:43.53 | ezguy | which package has the install-mbr program? |
| 21:44.23 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell ezguy -about search |
| 21:44.33 | dmoerner | ezguy: mbr |
| 21:44.55 | ezguy | thanks |
| 21:45.03 | multi_io | can anyone play the videos at http://www.thedailyshow.com/ with flash under Linux? |
| 21:45.13 | multi_io | it stopped working for me a few weeks ago or so |
| 21:45.31 | elik | dmoerner, indeed, the thing is the rtap interface is created on the same device than the wifi device (namely, eth2) |
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| 21:45.37 | weebl_ | Hello |
| 21:45.39 | weebl_ | I know there used to be a command in debian which listed all processes by CPU usages. I cannot remember this command, anyone that can point me in the right direction? |
| 21:45.45 | dmoerner | weebl_: top? |
| 21:45.53 | dmoerner | multi_io: doesn't work for me on firefox 3 with flash 9 |
| 21:45.54 | weebl_ | yes, ty |
| 21:45.55 | elik | dmoerner, it is the sniffing interface of my wifi card |
| 21:45.58 | amphi | weebl_: or htop |
| 21:46.12 | dmoerner | elik: yes, i know. |
| 21:46.22 | multi_io | dmoerner: ok, thx for the info |
| 21:46.35 | multi_io | apparently some video codec is missing |
| 21:46.46 | elik | dmoerner, I tried search google about that, rtap0_rename, but just got one hit... a forum with the problem unresolved... |
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| 21:47.08 | yqnnick | * * 0 * * rm /home/someuser/tmp/* |
| 21:47.15 | yqnnick | does the cronjob every sunday, right? |
| 21:47.27 | yqnnick | or do I need to set the first two *, like |
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| 21:47.31 | yqnnick | 0 0 0 * * rm /home/someuser/tmp/* |
| 21:47.58 | SidGBF | guys, I need the exact 5.2.6 verion of php... but apt-get got me 5.2.0, how to get 5.2.6? |
| 21:48.21 | dmoerner | yqnnick: i think you need the leading zeros on it |
| 21:48.59 | dmoerner | elik: you need to fix /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 21:49.22 | elik | dmoerner, I tried messing with that.. but it works with mac addresses... |
| 21:49.29 | elik | dmoerner, and both of them are the same |
| 21:49.46 | elik | dmoerner, although ifconfig shows me rtap0 address on 128 bits for some reason |
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| 21:50.12 | dmoerner | elik: try moving it to a temporary directory so it will be regenerated on reboot, make sure it is modprobing the interface, and then reboot |
| 21:50.29 | bwlang | i'd like to get some feedback on putting a shared group address book into the same ldap store as our auth system under a different ou. Do you think it's bad idea or a good idea? |
| 21:50.34 | elik | dmoerner, hum, sounds like a fair deal |
| 21:50.41 | elik | dmoerner, giving it a try |
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| 21:52.31 | scgtrp | the testing netinstall cd is having trouble finding my cd drive. ls /dev shows only console, null, zero, and some ttys. this is a dell computer, but other than that it's standard ide, so what should i try? |
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| 21:52.57 | scgtrp | (i'm running a custom kernel now with everything compiled in, so i have no idea what modules it's using, but pretty sure it's piix) |
| 21:53.04 | SidGBF | guys, I need the exact 5.2.6 verion of php... but apt-get got me 5.2.0, how to get 5.2.6? |
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| 21:53.29 | olafur | somebody from spain gay to talk |
| 21:53.33 | cornfrog | does anyone know what is up with the pcspkr |
| 21:53.42 | cornfrog | i just noticed the usual stuff isnt working anymore, i cant shut it off |
| 21:53.56 | cornfrog | did debian do something like roll it into the kernel directly |
| 21:54.08 | cornfrog | i think some ubuntu guys have complained about something similar in the past |
| 21:54.21 | scgtrp | unplug it :D |
| 21:54.28 | cornfrog | i always had blacklist pcspkr in my modprobe.d/blacklist, and ummod confirms pcspkr is not there |
| 21:54.32 | SidGBF | Please folks????? |
| 21:54.32 | cornfrog | heh |
| 21:54.32 | beardy | It was in the kernel. Sicne 2.6 it's a module. |
| 21:54.41 | scgtrp | no, really, unplug it |
| 21:54.43 | scgtrp | works for me :) |
| 21:54.46 | beardy | What "usual stuff"? |
| 21:54.57 | cornfrog | yea im about to, but its the principle of it, my os should obey! lol |
| 21:55.21 | cornfrog | usual stuff like set bell-style none, putting blacklist pcspkr in my modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 21:55.21 | cornfrog | ummod |
| 21:55.25 | cornfrog | or modprobe -r |
| 21:55.30 | cornfrog | none of it works |
| 21:55.31 | cornfrog | still beeps |
| 21:55.40 | scgtrp | cornfrog, i believe there's something like 'set -blength 0' |
| 21:55.43 | cornfrog | as of time unknown, perhaps one of my kernel updates |
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| 21:55.50 | cornfrog | i just happened to notice it |
| 21:55.52 | scgtrp | not exactly that, but something... |
| 21:55.55 | cornfrog | that dont work either |
| 21:55.58 | beardy | !silence speaker |
| 21:55.58 | dpkg | hmm... silence speaker is man setterm for console, man xset for X, or add the line "set bell-style none" to the file /etc/inputrc |
| 21:56.03 | cornfrog | and ummod confirms pcspkr is not there |
| 21:56.14 | scgtrp | cornfrog, xset b off |
| 21:56.17 | cornfrog | but none if it is working all of a sudden, i dont know if debian did something wacky with the kernel or what |
| 21:56.19 | beardy | That is "the usual stuff". |
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| 21:57.52 | beardy | cornfrog: Ok. "set bell-style none" will always work regardless of kernel, and if the pc speaker support is a module or not. |
| 21:58.08 | cornfrog | nope, it dont work |
| 21:58.12 | cornfrog | type that from tty1 |
| 21:58.13 | cornfrog | and backspace |
| 21:58.14 | cornfrog | BEEP! |
| 21:59.09 | cornfrog | its like whatever they did, hardcoded it in where it cannot be shut off |
| 21:59.20 | scgtrp | anyone know how i can get the debian cd to detect my ide disks? i have the piix module compiled into my current (working) kernel, but even modprobing that from tty2 doesn't work |
| 21:59.47 | beardy | cornfrog: Of course it can. Did you set it in your .inputrc? |
| 22:00.12 | cornfrog | where is that |
| 22:00.45 | beardy | cornfrog: The factoid says /etc/inputrc, but I suggest you use it for your own user only. That is /home/username/.inputrc |
| 22:00.57 | cornfrog | i had blacklist pcspkr in modprobe.d blacklist, its not coming from module pcspkr |
| 22:01.03 | beardy | cornfrog: Put that line in it, if it doesn't exist. |
| 22:01.06 | dmoerner | cornfrog: try snd-pcsp |
| 22:01.10 | daemon | hey guys |
| 22:01.16 | cornfrog | ah there it is |
| 22:01.17 | daemon | how do i use my bluetooth usb stick with debian |
| 22:01.28 | dmoerner | daemon: what brand? |
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| 22:01.45 | daemon | dmoerner, err two choices |
| 22:01.55 | daemon | Aug 29 22:54:29 laptop2 kernel: ubt0: <ISSC ISSCEDRBTA, class 224/1, rev 2.00/3.73, addr 2> on uhub3 |
| 22:01.55 | daemon | Aug 29 22:54:29 laptop2 kernel: ubt0: Interface 0 endpoints: interrupt=0x81, bulk-in=0x82, bulk-out=0x2 |
| 22:01.56 | daemon | Aug 29 22:54:29 laptop2 kernel: ubt0: Interface 1 (alt.config 5) endpoints: isoc-in=0x83, isoc-out=0x |
| 22:01.59 | daemon | or |
| 22:02.15 | daemon | Aug 29 23:01:42 laptop2 kernel: ubt0: <Broadcom Corp BCM92045B3 ROM, class 224/1, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 4> on uhub7 |
| 22:02.16 | daemon | Aug 29 23:01:42 laptop2 kernel: ubt0: Interface 0 endpoints: interrupt=0x81, bulk-in=0x82, bulk-out=0x2 |
| 22:02.16 | daemon | Aug 29 23:01:42 laptop2 root: Unknown USB device: vendor 0x0a5c product 0x2100 bus uhub7 |
| 22:02.19 | dmoerner | please use pastebin |
| 22:02.25 | beardy | Please.. do what dmoerner said. |
| 22:02.27 | daemon | was >= 3 lines |
| 22:02.34 | dmoerner | to use the second you need to instal "bluez-firmware" |
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| 22:02.37 | beardy | Twice. |
| 22:02.44 | daemon | dmoerner, what about the first |
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| 22:03.11 | scgtrp | hm, apparently i'm not using piix after all, it's just sitting in my kernel doing nothing |
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| 22:03.35 | dmoerner | daemon: does it not work out of the box? |
| 22:03.51 | scgtrp | http://pastebin.ca/1188902 << can anyone tell me what ide module that's using? |
| 22:04.35 | daemon | dmoerner, those outputs where from freebsd |
| 22:04.49 | daemon | both work out the box |
| 22:04.55 | dmoerner | daemon: most usb adapters work out of the box in debian with the exception of proprietary broadcom firmware |
| 22:04.56 | daemon | but im not sure how I would know it works out the box with debian |
| 22:05.18 | dmoerner | scgtrp: lspci -v tells you |
| 22:05.29 | dmoerner | ICH4 is normally ata_piix |
| 22:05.45 | daemon | usb 1-2 new fuull speed usb device using uhci_hcd and address 10 |
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| 22:06.01 | daemon | usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 22:06.14 | scgtrp | dmoerner, Kernel driver in use: PIIX_IDE -- that's piix.ko, correct? |
| 22:08.36 | dmoerner | scgtrp: yes |
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| 22:09.06 | scgtrp | hm. i tried modprobe piix but got no new device nodes |
| 22:09.20 | scgtrp | does modprobe automatically create them, or is there another command i have to do? |
| 22:09.44 | dmoerner | scgtrp: makedev GENERIC? if udev is running that should be unnecessary though |
| 22:09.59 | scgtrp | dmoerner, is it running on the testing netinstall cd |
| 22:10.00 | scgtrp | ? |
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| 22:10.23 | scgtrp | boots it up in virtualbox to find out. |
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| 22:12.23 | KodeBlok | anyone know why java5 refuses to install? :S http://paste2.org/p/67479 (when i try plugin OR bin) |
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| 22:13.41 | scgtrp | ok, udev isn't running on my install cd. i'm also getting the same 'cd drive not found' error in virtualbox as i was on my real computer |
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| 22:15.55 | phenom | Guys, A power failure has rendered my system unboot able. |
| 22:16.25 | phenom | After grub trys to boot debian, it keeps restarting making me think it's a mbr thing |
| 22:16.41 | scgtrp | nah, if grub loads and gets to the menu it's not the mbr |
| 22:16.56 | phenom | scgtrp, It doesn't get to debian menu. |
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| 22:17.12 | scgtrp | phenom, what's the debian menu? |
| 22:17.21 | scgtrp | you mean the grub menu? |
| 22:17.24 | phenom | It says starting up, after I enter my bios pass and restarts. |
| 22:17.35 | scgtrp | hm. that could be mbr then |
| 22:17.58 | phenom | scgtrp, Right, I thought you meant: nah, if grub loads and gets to the [debian] menu it's not the mbr |
| 22:18.19 | scgtrp | i don't know what a debian menu is, the menu that lets you pick an os to boot is the grub menu :) |
| 22:18.27 | scgtrp | i'd say boot up from a linux cd and do grub-install again to repair it |
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| 22:18.44 | phenom | I see grub, and it allows me to choose which partition etc to boot, but after I select it, it restarts. |
| 22:19.14 | scgtrp | then that's not the mbr |
| 22:19.15 | phenom | I'm on a live disk now :) |
| 22:19.22 | scgtrp | got a copy of grub on it? |
| 22:19.29 | phenom | It's like grub can't find the partition |
| 22:19.41 | scgtrp | it'd just give you an error message then |
| 22:19.51 | KodeBlok | anyone know why java5 refuses to install? :S http://paste2.org/p/67479 (when i try plugin OR bin) |
| 22:19.56 | scgtrp | do you see any boot messages from linux? |
| 22:20.09 | phenom | None, doesn't get that far. |
| 22:20.10 | scgtrp | ("uncompressing... ok, booting the kernel" or anything similar) |
| 22:20.26 | phenom | Literally after I hit enter to which partition or OS I want to boot, it restarts. |
| 22:20.35 | scgtrp | hm. strange |
| 22:20.42 | phenom | very |
| 22:20.46 | scgtrp | is debian your only entry in there? got anything else you can try to load? |
| 22:20.53 | phenom | And irritating. |
| 22:21.09 | phenom | I'm able to access my main partition with debian on it from a live disk etc. |
| 22:21.40 | phenom | debian is the only OS installed. |
| 22:21.45 | scgtrp | hm... |
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| 22:22.06 | phenom | Has, options to run the recovery mode etc, to no avail |
| 22:23.39 | phenom | So I can reinstall grub to my main partition from a live disk? |
| 22:23.56 | scgtrp | well, if it's at least getting to the grub menu, it's not the mbr |
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| 22:24.15 | scgtrp | since the mbr just loads another part of grub which loads and shows the menu |
| 22:24.40 | scgtrp | wild guess (adjust pathnames to your mountpoint as necessary): cp /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/stage2 /boot/grub/stage2 |
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| 22:26.49 | scgtrp | can i install stable and safely upgrade it to unstable later? the testing cd isn't working well for me |
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| 22:29.12 | phenom | Ok, let me try to boot again, since I've run the live disk |
| 22:29.31 | phenom | Hopefully by the grace of the tech lords, the live disk did something. |
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| 22:30.08 | scgtrp | dpkg, tell scgtrp about unstable |
| 22:30.21 | aleij_ | apt-cache search tells me it cant find libcurses5-dev is that not part of main? |
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| 22:31.13 | Pioneer13 | I have installed flash player 9 and am using it to play a video. However, there is no sound. Other apps (like play and mpg123 work okay) |
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| 22:47.45 | Heitor | Olá todos! |
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| 22:50.30 | aleij_ | same old "service"... some distros are better than others... for the sake of the help and aid of their communities |
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| 22:55.26 | LNX | olá |
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| 22:58.04 | lazarus477 | Hello |
| 22:58.53 | lazarus477 | I am trying to find documentation over the apt-pinning feature. Where can I get docs on the /etc/apt/preferences (pinning) file format? |
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| 23:00.26 | liable | man apt_preferences |
| 23:01.00 | liable | !pinning |
| 23:01.00 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning, http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html. If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 23:01.02 | Blast_Hardcheese | How the hell do I get my screen unzoomed? |
| 23:01.17 | Blast_Hardcheese | wine crashed after setting the resolution to 640x480 |
| 23:01.26 | Sling | Blast_Hardcheese : take more distance from your screen |
| 23:01.36 | Blast_Hardcheese | I've got a tiny viewport on my 1280x1024 screen |
| 23:02.00 | lazarus477 | thanks! |
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| 23:02.06 | Blast_Hardcheese | Headtracking might be an option if the base resolution were 1280x1024, but seeing as that's not going to happen... |
| 23:02.08 | abrotman | Blast_Hardcheese: xrandr or use your desktops little screen resolution applet |
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| 23:02.44 | Blast_Hardcheese | xrandr tells me that there are 0 resolutions to choose from, despite the fact that there are obviously resolutions to choose from since I'm using two at the same time, and apparently xfce doesn't come with one |
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| 23:05.27 | infinity_ | anyone experience a server room where the A/C died and equiptment started to fail? |
| 23:06.01 | abrotman | like .. heat? |
| 23:06.19 | infinity_ | i'm curious at what point servers and equiptment start to break |
| 23:06.39 | infinity_ | i've never had A/C fail and go un-noticed before. |
| 23:07.10 | azeem | infinity_: that's hardware-dependent I'd say |
| 23:07.35 | azeem | infinity_: it's also not very on-topic |
| 23:07.38 | infinity_ | azeem: yea. but anyone experience it? like what happened? |
| 23:07.43 | infinity_ | yea |
| 23:07.48 | infinity_ | true. :) |
| 23:07.52 | abrotman | you can try #debian-offtopic |
| 23:07.58 | azeem | or youtube |
| 23:08.00 | infinity_ | but no one was talking a bout anything else and i was in this window |
| 23:08.03 | infinity_ | heh |
| 23:08.12 | azeem | infinity_: sorry, but that's no excuse |
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| 23:12.51 | cronjob | i'm just going to unwire it :D, maybe put a toggle switch on the front of my case, pc speak on/off hehe |
| 23:12.53 | cronjob | solved |
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| 23:13.20 | cronjob | trying to find a way to disable it in whatever os i happen to be running that day is just a pain |
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| 23:16.00 | cronjob | so no one knows anything about debian rolling pcspkr functionality into the kernel.. which is what im guessing has happened |
| 23:16.09 | cronjob | :| |
| 23:16.34 | abrotman | !beep |
| 23:16.34 | dpkg | [beep] /exec -o echo -ne '\a'. A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port, or see <bell> |
| 23:16.37 | abrotman | !bell |
| 23:16.37 | dpkg | methinks bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell |
| 23:16.38 | abrotman | doh |
| 23:17.34 | cronjob | im still having beeps in x |
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| 23:17.46 | cronjob | but i changed something in my boot config that seems to have fixed it for tty |
| 23:17.59 | cronjob | rmmod pcspkr says its not loaded |
| 23:18.05 | cronjob | but still beep |
| 23:18.08 | cronjob | nontheless |
| 23:19.00 | cronjob | but before that, even xset and setterm wouldnt work from tty, i tried that, but somehow i managed to get it turned off for tty |
| 23:19.04 | cronjob | but not X as of yet |
| 23:19.26 | cronjob | whatever its doing is doing inspite of pcspkr not being loaded |
| 23:19.44 | abrotman | beeps in what app in X? |
| 23:20.23 | cronjob | i just wanted to turn it off globally |
| 23:20.27 | spreeuw | I use bleght 0 |
| 23:20.48 | spreeuw | setterm property |
| 23:20.50 | cronjob | i used to blacklist pcspkr in modprobe.d or rmmod pcspkr |
| 23:21.03 | cronjob | but it just wont die lol |
| 23:21.15 | spreeuw | use a bigger hammer |
| 23:21.32 | cronjob | ill just cut the.. blue one right heh |
| 23:21.35 | spreeuw | comment out thewhole kernel line in grub |
| 23:21.40 | spreeuw | should teach it |
| 23:21.56 | cronjob | well since the last kernel update there was a new setting in there that wasnt in the others |
| 23:22.06 | spreeuw | and pull out the bios chip |
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| 23:22.08 | cronjob | i assume it defaulted to =y since commenting didnt do anything, but i changed it to =n |
| 23:22.15 | cronjob | that seems to take care of it as far as tty console |
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| 23:22.42 | cronjob | so far im not sure about everything else, in gnome i can do it from sound prefs |
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| 23:22.53 | cronjob | if i could kill it completely in gdm id be happy |
| 23:23.01 | cronjob | i know lot of whining about nothing.. i should pick my battles |
| 23:23.08 | cronjob | if i could make gdm not beep on backspace id be happy |
| 23:23.14 | cronjob | lol |
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| 23:23.30 | abrotman | cronjob: occured to that it beeps via alsa? |
| 23:23.38 | cronjob | maybe... |
| 23:23.47 | cronjob | i dont know enough about that |
| 23:23.53 | cronjob | someone else said i might have a bad alsa |
| 23:24.33 | cronjob | is there a global alsa setting? |
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| 23:24.55 | cronjob | ill look for one |
| 23:25.39 | Coweater | !bell |
| 23:25.39 | dpkg | i heard bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell |
| 23:25.52 | cronjob | lsmod | grep pcspkr returns nothing |
| 23:26.10 | Coweater | you can do that set bell-style none in /etc/inputrc, should work |
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| 23:26.35 | cronjob | instead of trying to turn it off on a per app basis i was trying to kill it at a system level, but suddenly it decides to come to live in spite of pcspkr being blacklisted |
| 23:26.55 | cronjob | and in fact pcspkr is not loaded... but it still does it anyway |
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| 23:27.02 | pobega | Hi...I'm having trouble connecting to a wireless access point. I was able to connect two weeks ago, but since being away I can't connect anymore, DHCP just times out. |
| 23:27.17 | zu22 | and i think i will need change something in my DNS settings too right? maybe CNAME? |
| 23:27.31 | zu22 | anyone know exactly how i can do this? |
| 23:27.39 | zu22 | i want to set up subdomain so instead of www.me.org/html/foo.html visitors can just visit http://foo.me.org |
| 23:27.43 | cronjob | i know just how to fix it |
| 23:27.49 | cronjob | if theres no voltage going to it, it can't beep |
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| 23:28.18 | cronjob | still for laptops that is not a good solution |
| 23:28.27 | teXXas | what makes debian better than ubuntu? |
| 23:29.02 | cronjob | preference mostly |
| 23:29.13 | cronjob | i kinda like the notion of debian main being really really really free |
| 23:29.20 | cronjob | even though it causes more pain sometimes |
| 23:29.27 | pobega | teXXas: Package stability and release cycle. |
| 23:30.32 | cronjob | minor neusances like iceweasel and java-package i dont mind so much, but certain apps are easier to find packages for ubuntu, like truecrypt |
| 23:30.43 | zu22 | any clue? |
| 23:30.57 | cronjob | i tr ied usin the ubuntu package for that.. i know i know |
| 23:31.08 | cronjob | that sucked, but at least i was able to read the backups i needed |
| 23:31.38 | teXXas | crobjob: so what would you pick |
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| 23:31.47 | cronjob | every distro has package issues though, the grass is always greener on the other side |
| 23:31.51 | cronjob | sometimes u just gotta compile it |
| 23:32.23 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 23:32.23 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 23:32.52 | cronjob | if you are completely new i would probably suggest ubuntu |
| 23:33.14 | teXXas | well i have ubuntu-studio on my laptop but i was just wonderin about debian |
| 23:33.17 | cronjob | i personally like debian, but if that is causing too much frustration trying to get the spcific apps you need go with buntu |
| 23:33.50 | abrotman | teXXas: all you can do is try it .. you'll have to do more stuff on your own, but it was my first distro |
| 23:33.58 | cronjob | i havent ran into much of a problem, gettnig java-package to install sun java is not a big deal |
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| 23:34.08 | abrotman | why would you need java-package at all? |
| 23:34.09 | Sysctl___ | hey folks |
| 23:34.11 | cronjob | truecrypt the only other problem |
| 23:34.27 | cronjob | you need java-package to build java.deb from the sun java.bin |
| 23:34.34 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 23:34.36 | cronjob | they dont have it in the repositories |
| 23:34.40 | cronjob | i dont think... |
| 23:34.43 | abrotman | !info sun-java5-bin etch |
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| 23:35.08 | dpkg | sun-java5-bin: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architecture dependent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-14-1etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 21883 kB, Installed size: 64840 kB |
| 23:35.29 | abrotman | voila! |
| 23:35.42 | Sysctl___ | was wondering if anyone knew a really good deboan based KDE distro. I quite like Linux Mint, but its gnome based and, as nice as gnome is, i greatly prefer kde. Some of you may say kubuntu, but in my experience, kubuntu is flakey and apps crash often enought o be annoying |
| 23:35.49 | abrotman | Sysctl___: uhm .. debian ? |
| 23:35.56 | Sysctl___ | yes, debian |
| 23:35.59 | Sysctl___ | sorry, typo |
| 23:36.01 | abrotman | no .. USE DEBIAN |
| 23:36.13 | abrotman | Sysctl___: if you want to know about debian-based .. ask ##linux |
| 23:36.18 | abrotman | but i'd suggest using debian |
| 23:36.35 | cronjob | it must be in non-free then isnt it |
| 23:36.46 | cronjob | i didnt see it before when i used to run main only |
| 23:36.52 | cronjob | ialways just compiled it from java-package heh |
| 23:37.01 | abrotman | so .. you care about 'non-free' .. but then use sun java anyways? |
| 23:37.06 | Sysctl___ | eh, i like debian, but its too generic compared to the polish behind ubuntu and linux mint... |
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| 23:37.22 | cronjob | yes abrotman, i require a functional system |
| 23:37.24 | abrotman | Sysctl___: then use ubuntu or mint .. we can't help you any more |
| 23:37.37 | spreeuw | generic is nice |
| 23:37.46 | spreeuw | just adjust your expectations |
| 23:37.49 | teXXas | im gonna create my own distro from the ground up |
| 23:37.52 | abrotman | Sysctl___: or ask #kde or ##linux |
| 23:37.55 | cronjob | i am not scared of the big bad sun god |
| 23:38.08 | cronjob | it cant make it through my output chain anyway |
| 23:38.45 | Sysctl___ | abrotman: is that really your suggestion? use debian or don't bother us? |
| 23:38.58 | spreeuw | Sysctl___: hello youre in a debia nroom |
| 23:39.00 | cronjob | i like to only have the handful of nonfree apps that i really need, instead of having 3958454 packages of mixed licence |
| 23:39.02 | spreeuw | bugger off |
| 23:39.05 | abrotman | Sysctl___: the purpose of this channel is to support debian |
| 23:39.05 | cronjob | i am a realist |
| 23:39.10 | teXXas | spreeuw, i was gonna say that |
| 23:39.17 | Sysctl___ | ubuntu and linux mint _is_ debian based |
| 23:39.20 | abrotman | Sysctl___: we can't recommend something other than debian .. this is #debian |
| 23:39.25 | abrotman | Sysctl___: and we don't support them here |
| 23:39.29 | unop | Sysctl___, but _not_ debian |
| 23:39.36 | spreeuw | centos is workable |
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| 23:39.41 | abrotman | Sysctl___: try debian .. you might like it |
| 23:39.42 | spreeuw | and lfs and slackware |
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| 23:39.46 | spreeuw | the rest is crap |
| 23:39.52 | abrotman | spreeuw: try #debian-offtopic |
| 23:39.56 | spreeuw | hehe |
| 23:40.13 | cronjob | really debian has been good to me, the only thing off the top of my head that i can say ubuntu has that debian doesnt is a truecrypt package |
| 23:40.19 | dan2 | abrotman: hey, how are you doing? |
| 23:40.24 | cronjob | most of the time debian will have any software u need |
| 23:40.26 | abrotman | peachy |
| 23:40.39 | cronjob | thats the only real pain i've had |
| 23:40.51 | cronjob | someone should adopt it :P |
| 23:40.52 | dan2 | abrotman: cool, I tell you I started training 6 days a week? |
| 23:40.54 | Sysctl___ | .... i do use debian for all and every server of mine, _except_ for my laptop |
| 23:41.03 | dan2 | abrotman: this fat boy is getting in shape |
| 23:41.03 | dan2 | :) |
| 23:41.11 | abrotman | dan2: soon you'll be a professional beer drinker |
| 23:41.13 | spreeuw | yes centos will have less software |
| 23:41.19 | dan2 | abrotman: nah, don't like beer |
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| 23:41.25 | abrotman | Sysctl___: right .. but we don't know anything about debian-based .. i'm not sure why this is hard to grasp |
| 23:41.26 | spreeuw | but you can grab random rpms off the net |
| 23:41.28 | cronjob | since ubuntu is more 'mainstreamy' sometimes you find packages for it that may not be in other distros |
| 23:41.31 | abrotman | spreeuw: really .. enough ? |
| 23:41.37 | dan2 | abrotman: I can have beer sit in my fridge, and still never drink it (still true right now, full mini keg of heinekin been in there for at least 6 weeks) |
| 23:41.53 | spreeuw | abrotman: are you alergic to centos? |
| 23:41.54 | cronjob | since i ditched windows i havent had a need to mess with truecrypt frankly, i use luks |
| 23:42.04 | dan2 | centos blows chunks |
| 23:42.11 | Sysctl___ | abrotman: its not, its just the way you say it |
| 23:42.11 | abrotman | spreeuw: this is #debian .. try #debian-offtopic |
| 23:42.19 | spreeuw | good, I'm not defending it |
| 23:42.19 | cronjob | seriously some kind maintainer should adopt truecrypt though |
| 23:42.22 | dan2 | !start a os war |
| 23:42.25 | abrotman | Sysctl___: yes.. i'm a mean SoB .. i get it |
| 23:42.26 | cronjob | lol |
| 23:42.26 | spreeuw | other than that it's an on base system |
| 23:42.28 | dan2 | ~start a os war |
| 23:42.29 | apt | ACTION gets a os war started |
| 23:42.33 | spreeuw | ok |
| 23:42.42 | cronjob | and fix the pcspkr bug, ill file a report if its still giving me probs after i reinstall |
| 23:42.55 | Sysctl___ | abrotman: i wouldn't have gone that far... |
| 23:43.03 | abrotman | Sysctl___: oh .. everyone else does :) |
| 23:43.12 | abrotman | Sysctl___: anyways .. ask #kde or ##linux |
| 23:43.17 | spreeuw | abrotman: were talking about distros inrelation to debian |
| 23:43.35 | abrotman | no you're not |
| 23:43.41 | spreeuw | it's not nearly getting offensive or anything |
| 23:43.42 | abrotman | and it's still not topical here |
| 23:43.46 | abrotman | !ot |
| 23:43.46 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 23:43.52 | spreeuw | you'll know it when I get offensive |
| 23:44.00 | spreeuw | lol |
| 23:44.07 | zu22 | abrotman: i'm running apache on debian lenny/sid, i want to set up subdomain so instead of www.me.org/html/foo.html visitors can just visit http://foo.me.org, know what i should do in apache and what type of DNS record i should add to do this? |
| 23:44.11 | spreeuw | omg this is worse than #linux here |
| 23:44.14 | spreeuw | see ya |
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| 23:44.34 | abrotman | zu22: you want DNS entries and name based virtual hosts |
| 23:45.49 | cronjob | so is it ok to ride lenny on through to stable, setting repos to lenny and not testing, or would making a clean install after it goes stable offer any advantages? |
| 23:46.07 | zu22 | abrotman: ok so i will make a virtul host in apache and add a CNAME record in my GoDaddy DNS control panel. |
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| 23:48.24 | cronjob | i noticed today comcast is going to a 250GB/mo cap, i supose thats better than the 'secret number' they cant tell you |
| 23:48.40 | cronjob | i just installed vnstat for monitoring monthly bandwidth, seems to work nice |
| 23:49.15 | cronjob | just apt-get install vnstat, then vnstat -r -i eth0 as root and its good to go |
| 23:49.20 | abrotman | cronjob: it's fine to follow lenny |
| 23:49.25 | cronjob | ah thx |
| 23:49.30 | TiMiDo | hey what's the packaged call? TO download the dvd codecs? |
| 23:50.05 | abrotman | TiMiDo: like the DeCSS ? |
| 23:50.12 | beardy | !debian-multimedia |
| 23:50.12 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 23:50.27 | Sysctl___ | abrotman: as i suspected, im in #kde, and now they are telling me to go to #kde-chat... once i go there, they will pass me on to someone else and i will eventually be told to come back here :P |
| 23:50.30 | cronjob | ugh dvds, i just went through hell trying to rip vobs from homeshot minidisks and splice them together and reauthor to a 4.7B disk, that was a pain |
| 23:50.39 | cronjob | 20 diff packages that wouldnt work right heh |
| 23:50.49 | TiMiDo | abrotman, and the codecs what are they call? |
| 23:50.51 | abrotman | Sysctl___: i doubt it |
| 23:50.52 | cronjob | ended up using some windows app in wine to reauthor it, couldnt even read the menus |
| 23:50.55 | cronjob | i had to click in the dark |
| 23:51.03 | abrotman | Sysctl___: i would have tried ##linux myself .. but up to you |
| 23:51.21 | cronjob | which made a 9GB disk, then had to shrink it back with k9copy |
| 23:51.22 | cronjob | heh |
| 23:51.26 | Sysctl___ | abrotman: will try linux, but i doubt it will be fruitful ;) |
| 23:51.37 | abrotman | Sysctl___: distrowatch.com ? |
| 23:51.48 | cronjob | i think i went wrong when someone suggested i use cat to splice mpeg files together |
| 23:51.57 | cronjob | i knew something was up with that |
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| 23:52.06 | cronjob | it plays that way... but that cant be quite right |
| 23:52.09 | cronjob | header info and crap |
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| 23:52.12 | Sysctl___ | abrotman: maybe its just me, but distrowatch doesn't help, since too man minor hobbyist distros out there |
| 23:52.36 | Sysctl___ | abrotman: i would have never found out about linux mint, for example, were it not for word of mouth |
| 23:53.14 | abrotman | Sysctl___: http://lwn.net/Distributions/ ? |
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| 23:55.55 | lymeca | Can I use KVM to take advantage of the hardware virtualisation extensions on my CPU and virtualise OSes like Windows or even mac OS X? |
| 23:56.04 | lymeca | Or is KVM *only* paravirtualisation? |
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| 23:57.55 | \amethyst | lymeca: kvm mostly requires hardware virtualization |
| 23:57.55 | abrotman | !kvm |
| 23:57.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kvm is kernel virtual memory kernel address space, or keyboard/video/mouse Or Kernel-based Virtual Machine. check http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Debian for installation instructions. egrep 'vmx|svm' /proc/cpuinfo and check whether disabled in the bios. |
| 23:58.04 | squisher | hey everyone, my gs process hangs with 100% cpu when I try to print through cups... |
| 23:58.15 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel-based_Virtual_Machine |
| 23:58.19 | abrotman | should have been that |
| 23:58.21 | squisher | I strace'd it, and it just tries to read and _llseek, nothing ever seems to happen |
| 23:58.38 | squisher | can't find anything bugs about this either (this is on sid) |
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| 23:59.26 | cronjob | im still a n00b on all this virtualization crap, what names are given to these cpu extensions and how long have these chips been coming out |
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