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00:00.17\amethystcronjob:  Intel VT and AMD-V
00:00.25cronjobthx
00:00.52cronjobi dont even have NX i run PaX haha
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00:01.24eraldogreetings!
00:01.30cronjobhola
00:01.47eraldoI have bought, patitioned and formatted a new hdd
00:01.59eraldonow I want to mount it...
00:02.05eraldobut I am not sure where to
00:02.56eraldoit is my backup-disk and I thought of making a directory called "backup" (same as the disk label)
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00:03.08abrotmaneraldo: how did you format it?
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00:03.55eraldobut I'm not sure where to create it ? "/backup" or "mnt/backup" or "/media/backup" or elsewhere ?
00:04.03cronjob/etc/fstab
00:04.04abrotmanuh .. that's up to you
00:04.19albertosudo rm -rf /*
00:04.25cronjoblol
00:04.26eraldoabrotman: sudo mkfs.ext3 -m 1 -L "backup" /dev/sdd1
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00:05.10cronjobi usually set boot to ro toon
00:05.14cronjobtoo*
00:05.24cronjobunless im going to do a kernel update
00:05.37cronjobno ill effects so far...
00:05.44josh||hi, id like to help the the project out somehow... is there a place where i can find a way to do that? :)
00:05.44enoufcronjob: the cpu flags are svm(AMD64) and vmx(Intel)
00:05.54abrotmanjosh||: what skills do you have?
00:05.58cronjobinteresting
00:06.01eraldoabrotman: up to me? so nothing to consider ?
00:06.13abrotmaneraldo: you can mount it at /i/love/backups/
00:06.15josh||im a programmer, but i think id like to work on documentation (i get enough programming with work!)
00:06.30squishereraldo, the mountpoint is completely up to you
00:06.31cronjobyea documentation is something we can all use more of
00:06.32abrotmanjosh||: there is a man page project
00:06.36josh||but something dealing with bugs would be ok
00:06.47abrotmanjosh||: http://wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org/Join
00:06.59josh||yeah i like how everything in debian has a manpage :) that would be fun
00:07.04josh||thanks
00:07.17Tramperaldo: under "/mnt" would probably be a bad idea, because this is often used for temporary stuff - thought it's just a convention. Basically it's up to you.
00:07.28eraldoabrotman: I plan to have it automounted at the same place everytime... and I guess mounting it to /home/eraldo/backups would not be that wise for instance, since my home partition is on a seperate disk...
00:07.48zu22what is the best way to get started maintaining a package? i heard someone with a pgp key must accept your key before you get your own packages accepted into official debian repo?
00:07.50eraldoso that would mean it could only automount it if my home is mounted
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00:07.58zu22is there a good tutorial on building one's own debian package?
00:08.05abrotman!mg
00:08.05dpkgA simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or  http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online).  Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar.
00:08.06abrotman!mentors
00:08.07dpkgi guess mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/
00:08.12zu22oh cool
00:08.13zu22thanks
00:08.13tlmillerI've been mounting stuff under /mnt forever and never ran into issues so you *could* put it there if you wanted.
00:08.16enoufTramp: i think /media is a much worse choice than /mnt
00:08.31zu22i really want to help debian, it has been a good friend to me
00:08.34enouftlmiller: same
00:08.37cronjobmaybe ill become a maintainer and adopt truecrypt
00:08.41cronjobsince no one else will hehe
00:09.03josh||cronjob: yes please! that software needs a maintainer ;)
00:09.06tlmillerI miss emelfm in debian
00:09.08cronjobhaha i know
00:09.26tlmillerI pulled down the source code the other night but I'm new to coding so I was lost. Maybe someday!
00:09.28enouftlmiller: er .. i think Dillo has some renewed life going ;-)
00:09.31eraldoso having a "backup" directory in root is not a problem at all ?
00:09.38cronjobi tried using the ubuntu package but i coudlnt even use it for rw or even use it at all except as root
00:09.39zu22debian should make a TV commercial and get some girl crying and saying "Please help, there are hundreds of orphaned packages that you can save!" haha :D
00:09.59cronjobhaha zu22 i know
00:10.01tlmillerzu22, lol
00:10.09abrotmancronjob: no you won't
00:10.14eraldoor is it possible to have the directory "backup" only in root _if_ it is mounted ?
00:10.16josh||for just a dollar a day you can make a difference!
00:10.25cronjobabrotman yo're probably right :P
00:10.35tlmillereraldo, you could mount it under /backup if you want. no worries.
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00:11.23Trampenouf: tlmiller: LFS actually defines /mnt as a place for temporarily mounted filesystems.
00:12.06eraldotlmiller: okay thank's for carifying that!
00:12.17Trampenouf: and /media is reserved as well, as far as LFS is concerned
00:12.41enoufTramp: that's nice - now, what's it say about /media (not that you proposed that) - and seems to me, if he's worried about automount, sounds like a "temporary" mount., otherwise a /etc/fstab entry might ne in order
00:12.47tlmillerYeah but the standardized procedure is to remain non-standard. ;-)
00:12.47enoufs/ne/be
00:13.18Trampenouf: yeah, well. Not sure in which context he used the word "automount".
00:13.34enoufTramp: i've been mounting other HDDs on bootup in /mnt for years without issue ;-)
00:13.37tlmilleror... just consider it 'extending the standard'.
00:13.47eraldoenouf: could you please explain that further to me ? sounds interesting
00:13.50enoufTramp: me neither
00:13.56tlmillerIt's your system, mount it where you're most comfortable.
00:14.15cronjob/mnt is the convention
00:14.16Trampenouf: well, disregarding LFS is probably no punishable offense 8).
00:14.21enouferaldo: i'm no mnt point guru - choose your own /point ;-)
00:14.30enoufTramp: haha
00:14.42enoufTramp: leave my /opt alone! :-p
00:14.46cronjoblol
00:15.02tlmillerI honestly can't say I've ever (knowingly) used /opt for anything.
00:15.12cronjob/opt and /mnt, where i put all my stuff
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00:15.38cronjobim still kinda noob when it comes to all the little dir names, bin and etc
00:15.41enouftlmiller: long while back, i found out NOTHING in debian uses it, so i decided to mess with svn, and versioning builds and building there :-P
00:15.45cronjobi dont know wht the diff is suposed to be
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00:15.51cronjobbin etc opt, im all clueless
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00:15.57cronjobi just put software in opt and mount in mnt
00:16.52cronjobwhoever came up with that / tree was probably like me and had a cluttered desktop and just came up with random names to put diff stuff
00:16.55Trampenouf: I always use configure ... --prefix=/opt/SOFTWARE_NAME-VER.SI.ON <-- and successfully so for two decades now.
00:17.12eraldoTramp: in which context I meant that? - I meant if the disk is mounted, there is a directory in root "/backup" if the disk is not mounted or gets umounted,... the there is no directory in root named "backup"
00:17.19enoufguilty!
00:17.21enouf:-P
00:17.27zu22Tramp: i use /usr/local for that
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00:18.08cronjobusr etc opt bin, i dont know what the diff is suposed to be :P
00:18.11Trampzu22: yeah. I think that's a question of preference. I come from a SunOS background
00:18.29enoufcronjob: linuxcommand.com has a decent overview
00:18.32cronjobah thx
00:18.35enoufor is it org
00:18.39zu22Tramp: ah
00:18.47jmdHow do I read files off a usb memory stick?
00:18.58zu22jmd: mount it
00:19.09eraldoTramp: now clear what I want ?
00:19.17cronjobi just threw eclipse into opt, i like it, doesnt have to be installed, just extract and run
00:19.18Tramperaldo: "automount" as in "have an automounter handle plugging/unplugging of the harddisk" or "automount" as in "mount automagically everytime my system boots"
00:19.25enoufTramp: i thought nowadays Sun (especially concerned their java crap) + OpenSuse make use of /opt .. a lot
00:19.33jmdzu22, What's the device name ?
00:19.37cronjobfirefox too if you want the 'real' firefox heh
00:19.41enoufmaybe it's just java in linux and certain distrios
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00:20.04beardyjmd: Plug it in, run 'dmesg'.
00:20.06abrotmanoracle uses /opt/ IIRC
00:20.15eraldoTramp: oh,... I have a tray where I put that sata disk in while working
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00:20.27Trampenouf: yes. In SunOS /opt was (is?) the canonical place for everthing not part of the core-OS.
00:20.39eraldoTramp: is it still possible to achieve the desired outcome ?
00:20.49jmdbeardy, It says a lot of things about sda but doesn't tell me the pathname of the device
00:20.55zu22jmd: do you have the usb kernel module? look in /proc/partitions
00:21.03enoufTramp: ahh - ok .. so your ./configure --prefix= .... you meant in linux then i presume ;-)
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00:21.10enoufoh wait
00:21.11jmdzu22, It's empty
00:21.13enoufnm
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00:21.33beardyjmd: Does it have any partition (and filesystem) on it?
00:21.33zu22jmd: you must plug the USB stick in first
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00:21.38Trampenouf: in both. You just have to adhere to a consistent namespace
00:21.50jmdYes it's plugged in.
00:21.51enoufgotcha
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00:22.25zu22jdm: do you see 'usbcore' when you do this: lsmod|grep usb
00:22.35eraldoanyone else who has an idea what I could look at to get there ?
00:22.40jmdNautilus detects the device when I plug it in, but if I click on it I get a box pop up for half a second and then it dissappears again.
00:22.42Tramperaldo: We were confusing you. For having an automounter "media" would be the "canonical" place to automatically mount a removable device on plugin. But for your question, it is not really relevant.
00:22.42zu22jdm: if not try: insmod usbcore
00:23.10jmdzu22, Yes.  usbcore is there.
00:23.27zu22jmd: ok you don't need Nautilus, just work from the command line
00:23.29enouferaldo: he means the /media directory
00:23.35jmdBut nothing when I do lsusb
00:24.07Tramperaldo: "/backup" is perfectly fine. Or maybe even better: /backup/disk1 - maybe you someday want a second backup disk. But that's completely up to you.
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00:24.31zu22jmd: see if it is already mounted type: mount
00:24.48eraldoTramp, enouf.. what do I have to take a look at or do in order to have a "backup" dir in root if I plug it in (durrung work) and so that when I umount it the dir is gone. Is that even possible ?
00:24.49zu22jmd; it will be in like /media/usbdisk/ etc.
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00:25.01enouferaldo: Desktop Environments (Gnome, KDE, etc) make use of automounting through, hal, udev, dbus, etc .. so that they can automount upon insertion and pop up a window - and/or place an icon on your Desktop
00:25.04jmdMy /media directory is empty
00:25.25jmdThe only usb looking thing in mtab is procbususb
00:25.38enouferaldo: nothing wrong with having empty dirs that you use for mounting purposes
00:25.50cronjobdoes anyone know if a good daemon using inotify that will keep a database of extra file and dir info, like actual creation dates, or should i just write one myself
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00:26.20cronjobbefore i start reinventing the wheel here
00:26.48enouferaldo: to avoid some of that DE mess, you can use usbmount, or pmount, or maybe(for SATA/SCSI drives) the tools in sg3-utils and scsi-tools pkgs
00:26.54zu22jmd: check if you have a USB controller: lspci -vv|grep USB
00:27.20jmdThere's a log of stuff there.
00:27.37Tramperaldo: but we are drifting from "where" to "how" - and the latter question is more complicated.
00:27.42eraldoenouf: I would not want any outopopups (or icons *scared*) but having the dir created and removed as part of mounting ans unmounting seemed nice to me
00:27.54zu22jmd: see if it is mounted somewhere, did you try 'mount' and look for it in the output? you can also look in 'df -h'
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00:28.09enouferaldo: create a udev rule is one good way to ensure the device will be mounted always in the same mount /point
00:28.25jmdzu22, Yes. I looked.  and no it's not mounted.
00:28.45zu22jmd: ok you need to mount it first
00:28.49enouferaldo: hrm, not sure about removable dirs/ but likely an automounter would do that - i.e; DE stuff
00:28.54eraldoenouf: fstab is only used at boot time, right ?
00:29.08enouferaldo: erm, mostly - however
00:29.13jmdzu22, So what's the device name?
00:29.56enouferaldo: if you manually mount a device without providing /dev/name, the mount command will look in /etc/fstab for an entry
00:30.05zu22jmd: did you look in dmesg? also look in /proc/devices
00:30.25enouferaldo: also, if you issue a "mount -a" .. /etc/fstab is scanned
00:30.25eraldoenouf: how about having a little script that created the dir, mounts, starts the backup, unmounts and rm's the dir ?
00:30.30jmdWe seem to be going round in circles.  Yes I did those things and pasted the output here.
00:30.43enouferaldo: sure - others have done that
00:30.52enoufit involves at the least udev rules
00:30.56zu22jmd: oh sorry must have been before i joined
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00:31.24jmddmesg mentions sda and a lot of usb stuff, but doesn't tell me the pathname of a device
00:31.47eraldoenouf: ok, I'll opt for that, thank's for helping me descide :)
00:31.52jmdI can paste the output of dmesg somewhere if you think that will help?
00:32.05enoufjmd: run udevmonitor as root .. remove then plug in the device - pastebin results
00:32.14eraldoTramp: also thanks for your help!
00:32.17enouferaldo: np
00:33.15zu22jmd: device name should show up in dmesg or /var/log/messages, it is probably something like 'sda1' so then do: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/USB or whatever then 'cd /mnt/USB' and you are good to go.
00:33.36jmdenouf, OK doing that now.
00:33.48zu22enouf: cool wasn't aware of that command, i try not to learn too much udev if i can avoid it heh
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00:34.12enouferaldo: allow me to throw this out there for you, as sort of a supplement to those two tools pkgs i mentioned http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/wikis/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=3625
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00:34.54enoufoh crap!
00:35.01enoufthey moved it - bastages!
00:35.14zu22heh
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00:35.28enoufman i hate when these fucken tard corps do that shit
00:35.44FinnTuxis lenny going to have 2.6.26 kernel?
00:35.57h3knop
00:36.01abrotmanyes
00:36.04abrotmanit already does
00:36.11cronjobyea
00:36.13h3ki really don't know
00:36.14cronjobthey need to fix pcspkr though
00:36.18h3ki use sid
00:36.20jmdzu22, That's what I thought, but unfortunately there is no such device name.
00:36.20cronjobi cant turn it off!
00:36.21cronjobhaha
00:36.27FinnTuxok. thanks
00:36.32eraldoenouf: the backup disk has got a label called "backup" but "mount backup /backup/" does not work
00:36.37cronjobthey must have rolled it into the kernel
00:36.40jmdenouf, http://pastebin.ca/1188980
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00:37.16cronjobrmmod pcspkr should work, i should hear no BEEP! without pcspkr module
00:37.22eraldoenouf: why doesn't it work ?
00:37.31enouferaldo: the url?
00:37.35cronjobno beeps at all hehe
00:37.36enoufjpinx: ok
00:37.42enouferm jmd ok
00:37.48eraldoenouf: I get "mount: special device backup does not exist"
00:38.02eraldobut the disk has "backup" as a label, I'm sure
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00:38.07enouferaldo: you don't mount using LABEL name .. not manually anyways
00:38.08zu22jmd: it is sda1 according to that paste
00:38.29nhuisman_worklaugh, thought ubuntu hosed my vista install, I think it just auto detected the restore partition as the windows and put that in the grub
00:38.31enouferaldo: you can make a udev rul using label name
00:38.33jmdzu22, But there is no /dev/sda1
00:38.35nhuisman_workanyone ever had that problem?
00:38.36jpinxI'm using FSlint to find filenames with bad (non UTF8) characters - and I want to replace them - how to do that in bulk?
00:38.45enoufjmd: cat /proc/partitions
00:38.55eraldoenouf: I thought that would be the only way to ensure that the right disk is talked to because the dev name changes
00:39.02zu22enouf: heh i already asked him to do that earlier
00:39.14jmdenouf, It has only entries for /dev/hda[0-9]
00:39.22enouf42. UEVENT[1220056404.899028] add      /block/sda (block) 43. UEVENT[1220056404.899044] add      /block/sda/sda1 (block)
00:39.36enoufjmd: so your bus is dead asleep :-P
00:39.48jmdenouf, I don't have a /block directory
00:39.54enoufyes you do
00:39.57enoufit's in .sys
00:40.00enoufit's in /sys
00:40.15enoufsee ls /sys/block/sdX
00:40.18zu22jmd: just try to mount it like i said before
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00:40.36zu22jmd: and do ls on /dev/sda1 it must be there
00:40.37jmdzu22, With what device name (like I asked before)
00:40.38enoufudevinfo -q all -p /sys/block/sda/sda1
00:40.46zu22jmd: with *sda1*
00:40.53zu22jmd: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/USB
00:41.00jmdls -l /dev/sda1
00:41.00jmdls: cannot access /dev/sda1: No such file or directory
00:41.03enoufoh dear .. not a usb3 thingy
00:41.09enouf!u3
00:41.09zu22doh
00:41.09dpkgwell, u3 is a company producing a proprietary method of auto-launching applications from specially formatted USB flash drive.  "U3 smart drives" differ from traditional USB flash drives because they come preinstalled with the U3 Launchpad, which looks similar to the Windows OS start menu and controls program installation. The method only works with recent Microsoft Windows systems..  These devices also appear as cdrom drives, and use a ISO FS in some part
00:41.44zu22u3 sounds evil
00:41.52enoufit's worse
00:41.56enoufO_o
00:41.57jmdzu22,  mount /dev/sda1 -t vfat /mnt
00:41.58jmdmount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
00:42.06zu22-_-
00:42.19enoufjmd: what is that? a usb key?
00:42.27jmdYEs
00:42.31enoufa sd card? or someshit?
00:42.37jmdA key
00:42.40enoufok
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00:42.52enoufru that command i said above
00:43.04jmdwhich command?
00:43.28enoufand why is the last many commands "remove"?
00:43.37eraldoenouf: why adding in udev and not in fstab ? (still not sure)
00:43.46enouf[20:39:15] <enouf> udevinfo -q all -p /sys/block/sda/sda1   jmd
00:44.17jmdunknown query type
00:44.19enouferaldo: well, you can add to /etc/fstab, just use the 'noauto' option (like we do for CD/DVD drives)
00:44.41scgtrpi finally got debian to install by installing stable and modifying sources.list to update to unstable. (yes, i know it's supposed to be problematic, but...) anyway, i'm trying to set up xorg, but i keep crashing the x server with "fatal server error: lockup" no matter which settings i use (although i did get 640x480 while ago, but i don't remember how i did it.) is this a known problem with the xorg in unstable?
00:45.00jmdBut the question I've been asking is "How the hell do I know what the device name to put in /etc/fstab should be?"
00:45.37enouferaldo: that might have some implications i'm unaware of . but it shouldn't be anything in the least bit dangerous, afaict
00:46.18jmdI have no sd* in my /sys/block directory
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00:46.27eraldoenouf: so "LABEL=backup /backup auto noauto 0 0" ?
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00:47.11enoufjmd: dmesg | tail shows you the /dev/name
00:47.18enoufas does udevinfo
00:47.26jmdno valid sysfs device found
00:48.07enouferaldo: sure - erm, auto? ok, andf noauto is ok, mayne eant  some other options too - depending on FSType
00:48.09jmdenouf, Can you see it?  http://pastebin.ca/1188985
00:48.56enouf42. SCSI device sda: 2015232 512-byte hdwr sectors (1032 MB)
00:49.04enouf46.  sda: sda1
00:49.20jmdenouf, So can you tell me the complete pathname?
00:49.24enoufwhat can't you see?
00:49.47enouf<PROTECTED>
00:49.57jmdBut there is no such device
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00:50.06eraldoenouf: fs is ext3
00:50.19enoufjmd: as root, run /sbin/MAKEDEV
00:50.40enouferaldo: ok, now go see which mount options in man mount you want to add
00:51.24enoufjmd: ps auxf | grep udevd | grep -v grep
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00:51.24jmdmount: special device /dev/sda does not exist
00:51.24enoufjmd: stop mount
00:51.24enoufforget mount for now
00:51.24emmadoes debian do an install for dual booting also?
00:51.28enoufsure
00:51.34enoufemma: sure
00:51.57jmdenouf, That ps command shows udevd --daemon
00:52.10enoufjmd: ok .. great, now, hrm...
00:52.32enoufjmd: ls -l /dev/disk/by-*  and pastebin that
00:52.48emmaWhere is the link for downloading the debian live CD ?
00:53.03emmaor any way to get the debian install disk.
00:53.08enoufjmd: what happened with MAKEDEV output? do ls -l /dev/sd*
00:53.22abrotman!livecd
00:53.22dpkgi heard livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD.  Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu.  Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends.  Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc
00:53.31enoufemma: well, the livecd isn't thje official installer
00:53.33abrotman!d-i
00:53.33dpkg4.0r4 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ..  If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i.  IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot.  Also ask about <errata>.
00:53.40jmdenouf, Nothing happened There are no /dev/sd* files
00:53.49emmasee i just got this nearly/free computer today, for 40 dollars. It has 512 RAM and 70GB hdd.  Can Debian dual boot on it?
00:53.55jmdenouf, http://pastebin.ca/1189001
00:53.59enoufjmd: is there anything in /dev ?
00:54.22enoufjmd: dpkg -l | grep hal dbus | tail -n 2
00:54.29enoufcrap
00:54.45enoufoh ok .. that'll work,. no?
00:55.30enoufjmd: what happened with MAKEDEV output?
00:55.30jmd<PROTECTED>
00:55.36enoufnothing happened?
00:55.41enoufre you root?
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00:55.46enoufare you root or sudo?
00:55.58jmdYes
00:56.04eraldoenouf: there is an option "owner", I just realized that.. on the backup, the files should have the same owner as in the original, right? otherwise I could not play back my backup
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00:56.07enoufjmd: dpkg -l hal dbus  <-- pastebin
00:56.09jmdMAKEDEV returns 0 but prints nothing
00:56.29eraldoenouf: so what would I set as owner ?
00:56.49jmdenouf, http://pastebin.ca/1189005
00:57.01enoufjmd: as root run udevtrigger --verbose .. also ls /sys/block/* and ls -l /sys/class/*
00:57.43enoufjmd: cat /proc/version
00:57.52enoufjmd: cat /proc/cmdline as well
00:57.54emmado you guys have any advice which image I should get on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/
00:58.14enouferaldo: sorry, where do you see "owner" ?
00:58.32eraldoenouf: in "man fstab"
00:58.44eraldoenouf: under ds_mntops
00:58.49daemonis there anyway to delete all packages that depend on xorg
00:58.51daemonincludin g xorg
00:59.03jmdenouf, http://pastebin.ca/1189008
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01:00.18emmado you guys see me?
01:00.32eraldoemma: I do :)
01:00.34emmaWhich ofthe images should i get from the instal page?
01:00.45jmdenouf, http://pastebin.ca/1189009
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01:02.30jmdenouf, http://pastebin.ca/1189010
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01:05.26jmdenouf, http://pastebin.ca/1189011
01:05.26jmdenouf, Any other pastes you need?
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01:05.27enoufbad netsplit?
01:05.27jmdBad enouf
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01:06.06enouf<PROTECTED>
01:06.26jmdNo.  It works fine on my debian machine at work.
01:06.38enoufjmd: cat /proc/version
01:06.49jmdDidn't I just pastebin that.
01:06.49daemonhey guys what does gdm and kdm
01:06.51daemonstart from on debian
01:06.54daemon<PROTECTED>
01:06.58daemonor is it somewhere else
01:07.06jmdhttp://pastebin.ca/1189010
01:07.14enoufjmd: well - make sure your lsmod compares - i mean you need atleast scsi_mod and sr_mod /
01:07.15enouf??
01:07.22enoufoh, usb_storage
01:07.51enoufdaemon: what ? /etc/init.d/
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01:08.37daemonenouf, thank you
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01:09.25jmdThis machine is running lenny whereas the machine where it works is etch.  I suppose that USB mounting is just broken in testing.
01:09.31enoufjmd: not that it;ll help but you should really upgrade that kernel to http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.18-6-686
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01:09.44enoufjmd: that's a Etch kernel there
01:09.51AkuwHi
01:09.57enoufjmd: and that's what your pastebin showed
01:10.09enouf<PROTECTED>
01:10.29jmdI did apt-get upgrade not so long ago
01:10.29enouf2006  ? O_o
01:10.40enoufjmd: it didn't go so well ;-)
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01:11.00jmdDidn't return any errors
01:11.02cipherzon amd64, if I wish to compile applications using glut / libgl, I have installed and gotten my nvidia card to work, but gcc complains about not being able to find libGL
01:11.10jmdI'm just doing it again now.
01:11.11cipherzI checked /usr/lib and from what I can see it is there.. but it still complains about not being able to find it
01:11.13enoufjmd: no, usb mounting isn't broken in lenny, the lenny kernels are at .25 now
01:11.43enoufjmd: something on your box is though, but i can't pinpoint it atm
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01:12.08jmdOK.  Thanks for your help anyway.
01:12.19enoufjmd: maybe you originally had an Automounter? from a DE? how about usbmount? ever install and use it?
01:12.31jmdQuite possibly.
01:12.36enoufjmd: i suggest you upgrade - and dist-upgrade to get a full lenny
01:12.46enoufjmd: i think then it should fix itself ;-)
01:12.53jmdI'll do that.
01:13.00enoufjmd: you know about changing sources.lkist right?
01:13.06Akuwwhy i need to be root to create file in /var/www  ?
01:13.19Akuwany way to create files without be root?
01:13.53jmdenouf, It's currently pointing to testing.  Should it be somewhere else?
01:14.02mudddmeh
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01:14.24enoufjmd: no, that's correct - AND you have security.debian.org lines? pouint them there as well
01:14.42muddduh Akuw you DO own the machine dont you?
01:14.43enoufjmd: not that the security is official on testing
01:14.52jmdI thought that security was only for stable
01:14.55enouftotally different team and mechanism
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01:15.07enoufjmd: you might need it for the DSA stuff
01:15.17enoufjmd: see /topic
01:15.17jmdDSA?
01:15.25enoufjmd: you might still be vulnerable
01:15.33enouf!dsa1571
01:15.33dpkgDue to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (using openssl 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). See http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys Updated openssh packages that check for weak keys are also now available. Ask me about <ssl update><dsa1576><ssh-vulnkey><dsa1571 jokes>
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01:16.11jmdYeah I regenerated my vulnerable key when that one occurred.
01:16.12enoufjmd: if you fully upgrade to lenny, should all be fine
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01:17.15jmdenouf, I'm trying that now (wait 3 hours).
01:17.30enoufjmd: if you want to stay with Lenny when it becomes Stable, rename your entries from 'testing' to 'lenny' - if not, leave testing, but prepare for some breakage when Lenny releases Stable and you upgrade soon thereafter
01:18.46enoufok - /me --> break time ;-) (i'll be lurking though)
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01:19.44emmaguys i got the netinst CD image. is that the right one?
01:19.58mudddright one for....
01:20.09emmai want to install debian
01:20.23mudddsure
01:20.30emmathere are many choices on that page.
01:20.36emmawhat is the difference between them?
01:20.54emmawould full CD have been better than netinst?
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01:21.24muddddepends on your needs
01:21.29mudddbut it was fine for mine
01:21.34mudddwhat are you going to do with it?
01:21.41mudddbah its all good it'll download what you need
01:21.45emmaI want to try debian.
01:22.06Maliutanetinst is fine
01:22.13emmahave i made myself miss out now that i don't have the full CD ?
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01:24.07emmawhat is the difference between the netinst CD and the full CD ?
01:24.56mudddmeh from what i understand netinst will give you a base system then download the most current versions of what you want to install
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01:29.56pipelineemma: netinst is probably what you want.  It's a complete debian system on a disc, just the bare minimum.
01:30.09pipelineemma: business card is a little too small, the full first disc has a lot of unnecessary stuff
01:31.09enoufi asked you about your hardware - did you choose the correct ARCH ?
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01:36.38xlotluis it possible to "cleanup" the package index to get rid of obsolete packages?
01:38.03tlmillerxlotlu, what do you consider 'obsolete' ?
01:38.44abrotmandpkg --forget-old-unavail ?
01:38.45dpkgabrotman: i haven't a clue
01:39.15xlotlui think so, let's see
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01:40.13emmapipeline: thank heavens for your comprehensive response. It is a good thing you are here.
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01:41.25emmaWhat DE is typically used on Debian?
01:41.36jmdWhat's a DE?
01:41.50tlmilleryuck! ubuntu's networking doesn't work 'exactly' like debian. :(
01:42.02enoufplonk
01:42.25cipherzno worries apparantly /usr/lib/libGL.so pointed at a file that did not exist :)
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01:43.33tlmillerWhat happens with eth0 when you bring up br0 when doing briding in debian?
01:43.43tlmillerbridging*
01:44.25emmajmd - a desktop environment, like gnome or kde
01:44.26tlmillerI see eth0 is no longer pingable...
01:44.59jmdemma, Oh right.  Most people use bash.
01:46.29Coweateremma: there's not any kind of default, pick what you like
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01:47.27DeathWolfIs there any way to keep a few specific package out of apt-get upgrade?
01:47.30stevedondleyping dondelelcaro
01:47.50abrotmanwhy?
01:47.54DeathWolfThere's a few patch that wont get in pureftpd&apache, so I'm compiling myself packages... and everytime I upgrade it rebreaks everything.
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01:48.43abrotmanstevedondley: why?
01:48.43DeathWolf(apache2 dbd, and utf-8 in pure-ftpd)
01:49.11stevedondleyabrotman: why what?
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01:50.43abrotmanstevedondley: what are you looking for don for?
01:51.19stevedondleyabortman: to ask him a question, he does work for me
01:51.57stevedondleyabortman: been having trouble with apache acting weird
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01:58.48dudemanI fell asleep, but then I woke up
01:59.58snowrichardbetter than falling asleep and dreaming you woke up
02:00.28unopor day dreaming that you fell asleep.
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02:02.49peteriuswhere is xscreensaver directory? and how does one use gnomescreensaver with xscreensaver modules?
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02:05.17peteriusnevermind...
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02:06.01aghasterHi
02:06.22aghasterI would like to know how can I disable a module that gets loaded automatically
02:06.49aghasterThere are b43 and ssb modules that load for my wireless card but they don't work, while ndiswrapper works
02:06.52peterius/etc/modules has some stuff
02:06.55aghasterok
02:07.31abrotman!blacklist
02:07.31dpkgIn etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name".  IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>.  For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>.  To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
02:07.33aghasterhum... the comments and instructions in that file say that it is a list of modules to load
02:07.58aghasterthanks abrotman
02:08.10aghastercan I still manually load modules that are in the blacklist?
02:11.31Akuwa rare thing
02:11.42Akuwi was problems with my Hard Disk
02:11.53Akuwa lot of times Debain Hang
02:12.02Akuwi think was a SATA port
02:12.15Akuwbut i just take off a DDR module
02:12.19Akuwand all is ok
02:12.24pipelineYour motherboard is flaky :(
02:12.32Akuwno
02:12.33pipelineYou can try re-seating the memory, but it probably won't help.
02:12.41Akuwbut
02:12.47Akuwi don't have problems now
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02:12.59pipelineThere is no other explanation.  If pulling memory makes the system work, your motherboard is not performing to spec :X
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02:13.28Akuwi have 3 Modules
02:13.34Akuwi take off 2
02:13.42Akuwand now the system don't halt
02:13.52Akuwlet me test again
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02:16.45peter_12I thought if a binary/script had permissions "-rwsr-xr-x root root" then an "other" user would be able to run it and then the process could modify a file that was "rw------- root root"
02:16.52peter_12apparently this is not what the "s" means
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02:17.25pickcoderonly if the user is part of the "root" group
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02:18.15pickcoderunless my memory is as flakey as Akuw's
02:18.40peter_12pickcoder: is there a way to make it so either the user doesn't need to be in the "root" group or everyone is in the group?
02:18.43unopsetuid has no effect on scripts
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02:19.18pickcoderunop: thanks
02:19.38peter_12unop: what does it have an effect on?
02:19.56unoppeter_12, binaries that use a setreuid() call
02:20.20peter_12unop: so I'm screwed if I'm writing in Perl?
02:20.21unoppeter_12, or equivalent .. like perl calls the perl-suid/sperl wrapper
02:20.37unoppeter_12, heh :)
02:21.24peter_12unop: do I get that automatically? because my Perl script is not working "permission denied"
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02:22.04unoppeter_12, there are additional things you need to do to ensure the script is safe before sperl takes effect .. see   perldoc perlsec
02:22.47peter_12unop: yikes that is a long one. I'll get started reading. Thanks.
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02:24.33Akuwi am trying to mount a secondary hard disk (SATA)
02:24.38Akuwbut got error
02:25.01Akuwimpossible mount device
02:25.02tlmillerI'm having trouble removing a route from the route table....  I have 169.254.0.0  0.0.0.0   255.255.0.0  for Dest, GW, and Genmask respectively. what should route del foo look like to remove this?
02:27.27abrotmanthat's a dhcp problem
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02:27.35abrotmanor uhm .. zeroconf
02:27.52unoptlmiller, what have you tried?
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02:29.08tlmillerunop, route del 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0
02:29.29abrotmanit's not a route
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02:29.49tlmillerIt shows up in my route -n... that's not a route?
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02:30.41unoperrm. i think    route del 169.254.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0
02:32.01tlmillerpasting that command returns: 'route: netmask 0000ffff doesn't make sense with host route' and then the route usage output.
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02:32.03aghasterI've blacklisted ssb but it still loads
02:32.13aghasterhow can I force it not to load?
02:32.23aghasterit conflicts with ndiswrapper
02:32.53unoptlmiller, try this.    route del -net 169.254.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 gw 0.0.0.0
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02:34.11tlmillerunop, awesome that works. Thanks!
02:34.32abrotmantlmiller: that's a zeroconf address ..
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02:36.33tlmillerabrotman, I've no experience with zeroconf but I assume removing that route should be ok because I'm setting up bridging for virtualbox?
02:37.10unoptlmiller, it does not make much sense removing that route -- your interface is probably configured with an APIPA address (automatic address if no DHCP server is found) in which case, you shouldn't have network connectivity on that interface
02:37.38unoptlmiller, ahh .. makes sense
02:37.39pickcoderaghaster: is ssb aliased from a core module called something different?
02:38.09aghasterI have no idea what ssb is, but ndiswrapper tells me that this module uses the device
02:38.18aghasterif I unload it ndiswrapper will work
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02:39.21tlmillerunop, I can paste my 'interfaces' somewhere if you want to see what I'm trying to do. That extra route was in there and removing it still permitted networking but when I added it as a post-up command it breaks networking.
02:40.26unoptlmiller, i'll defer until you run into problems :)
02:40.38tlmillerwhen I added it as a post-up command it breaks networking
02:41.01unopadded what tho? the 169.254 route?
02:41.30tlmilleradded 'post-up route del -net 169.254.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 gw 0.0.0.0' to interfaces
02:41.45tlmilleris the order important? it must be right?
02:42.11unoptlmiller, what address is the interface given? or is it given one at all?
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02:42.55tlmillerI'm giving it a static address 192.168.0.73 for br0
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02:45.28unoptlmiller, ok, i suppose what is needed is a default route, in addition to the one for 192.168.0
02:45.35tlmillerYes, the order in which route del appeared in 'interfaces' was important. It works correctly now.
02:45.49unopok
02:46.55tlmillerthanks a ton for the help
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02:48.37MariachiACHello everyone. How do i activate brltty when inserting the debian net isntall iso?
02:51.20cirein kcontrol, I do not have the text to speech options. All packages are installed (kttsd, ksayit, ...).
02:51.38cireWhat do I have to do to get the menu entry in kconbtrol?
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03:04.19snowrichardhi
03:04.46MariachiACHello, I need some help knowing what comes up when inserting the debian net install cd into the computer.
03:05.01MariachiACI woudl like ot use brltty to install debian if it's available.
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03:05.31linkmaster03are non-free repos down?
03:06.16snowrichardI have a compaq es40 running debian alpha etch.  It logs messages about "can't allocation 8 bytes of per-cpu data" when certain daemons start or stop.
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03:13.31dudemanhi
03:13.32dudemanwhats up
03:13.37dudemanin the world of #debian
03:13.55dudemanis there a #debian-alpha
03:13.57dudeman!alpha
03:13.57dpkgWANTED: loving home for CPU architecture.  Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots.  Friendly, affectionate and energetic!  Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. #alpha
03:14.39pobegaI have a wireless question...Since I can't connect to hidden ESSIDs, is there a way to connect to it via mac address?
03:17.07linkmaster03not really
03:17.13linkmaster03why cant you connect with ssid
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03:18.13pobegaThe SSIDs on my college campus are hidden, and I can't find a way to connect to them.
03:18.44linkmaster03well if you know the mac address you surely must know the ssid?
03:19.08pobegaNo, `iwlist ath0 scan` returns `ESSID:""`
03:19.43linkmaster03ask the net admin what the ssid is
03:20.11pobegaCan you suggest a GUI program for quick connecting that supports hidden SSIDs?
03:20.32pobegaI tried wifi-radar but that doesn't seem to work...I'm running wmii so it can't be a docked application either (that rules out network-manager-gnome)
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03:20.59dmoernerpobega, you can't just use wpa_gui?
03:21.50linkmaster03airjack or kismet
03:21.55linkmaster03kismet has a curses interface
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03:22.01screamingbytesevening all
03:22.19pobegaI haven't tried any of those, I think I'll install all of them and give them a try next time I'm on campus, thanks tons.
03:22.34screamingbytesWhat severity should a bug report for mouse pointers be?
03:22.37pobegaJust random question, anyone with an Eee PC have any luck connecting to wireless APs?
03:22.52Maliutabug report on mouse pointers?
03:23.12screamingbytesyea, failing to apply properly ,all of them
03:23.46screamingbytesvia the mouse preferences =-> Pointers tool
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03:24.18erpoIs there a way to disable the buffer cache? I'm trying to benchmark my 8GB flash drive on a machine with 4GB of ram, and bonnie++ keeps running out of space on the drive.
03:24.42screamingbytesI know its not a blocker, or critical, but it is major, normal, minor, trivial etc...
03:25.05enouferpo: er, not sure, but you can drop_caches
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03:26.05enouferpo: cat /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches'
03:26.16enoufthen as root, or sudo sh -c 'echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches'
03:26.26enouferm echo 3, sorry
03:26.45enouf0 is default iirc
03:27.42pobegalinkmaster03: Can you explain how to use kismet? I don't mean to be an annoying RTFM noob, but I just don't feel like Ring TFM...sorry, heh
03:28.50screamingbytesnoob = not RTFM or lazy
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03:28.55screamingbytesimho
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03:29.58jester45does anyone know of a qemu web ui or a way to control qemu from a remote machine (other than ssh )
03:30.09Maliutarsh
03:30.18erpojester45: Maybe running it in a vncserver?
03:30.20pobegascreamingbytes: Okay, that's good to know.
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03:30.57jester45erpo, i need to start/stop machines and the server doesnt have X
03:31.17screamingbytespobega: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79160&highlight=kismet
03:31.35screamingbytesjester45: ssh?
03:31.38enoufplonk
03:31.56erpojester45: vncserver :1 -geometry 800x600; DISPLAY=:1 qemu --qemu-options ...
03:32.10abrotmanscreamingbytes: you realize that ubuntu is not debian and giving ubuntu advice here is potentially very dangerous?
03:32.11pobegascreamingbytes: I think he doesn't want to use SSH, and thanks for the link. Been reading /usr/local/doc/kismet/*, just still confused.
03:32.20jester45but i would need to start each machine via ssh and stop then
03:32.40jester45meaning many screen sessions or lots of open ssh terminals
03:33.03erpoenouf: drop_caches doesn't seem to be permanent. (i.e. it only drops the caches when you do it and doesn't keep the caches dropped).
03:34.25erpojester45: What's wrong with screen?
03:34.57jester45i need to control 15 virtual machines thats lot of screens to keep track of
03:35.20jester45i think i got one qemudo
03:35.31jester45screenshots look nice :
03:36.04erpojester45: Looks like it uses VNC internally.
03:36.33jester45thats fine idk about using vnc to login to the virtualboxes
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03:37.52screamingbytesabrotman: no, i did not realize, i understood ubuntoo to be debian, and solutions to be 95%+ effective
03:38.05abrotmanyou're completely wrong .. try not to do that
03:38.14screamingbytesgotcha
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03:38.35screamingbytesim always wrong according to you abrotman
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03:39.15IRC-Viewer101hmm
03:39.20IRC-Viewer101so, i'm upgrading to Sid
03:39.22IRC-Viewer101accidentally
03:39.29IRC-Viewer101will it crash and burn on me?
03:39.44IRC-Viewer101or will the current one crash and burn
03:39.57IRC-Viewer101because i read something that said i shouldn't update everyday, maybe once a week
03:40.12IRC-Viewer101and with 800 people in an IRC? ROOM? WTF?
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03:40.19abrotman!sid upgrade
03:40.20dpkgRepeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead.
03:40.22screamingbytesabrotman: im just trying to help pobega find a howto/ or shorter howto than what he's reading
03:40.26IRC-Viewer101When did IRC allow above 200 people in a room?
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03:40.48screamingbytespobega: how does this one fit your situation? : http://www.netstumbler.org/f50/orinoco-kismet-howto-1831/
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03:41.06IRC-Viewer101Well, the developers should have made a better way to downgrade incase someone screws up the sources.list
03:41.17jmdIRC-Viewer101, There are no such things as "rooms" in IRC
03:41.24IRC-Viewer101no?
03:41.24abrotmanscreamingbytes: which may actually end up being a lot more work because none of the instructions work on debian
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03:41.53jester45IRC-Viewer101, they are normally called channels
03:41.59IRC-Viewer101yeah, ok
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03:42.04jester45and +200 people has been for a long time
03:42.05IRC-Viewer101but i don't remember this many people in a chat ever
03:42.53jmdIRC allows an infinite number of people on a channel.
03:43.02IRC-Viewer101does it?
03:43.06IRC-Viewer101hmm
03:43.16jester45jmd, nothing is infinite
03:43.20jmdBut some channel operators decide to limit their channels to some finite number.
03:43.23screamingbytesabrotman: well when i get answers here i read them before implementing them to see if they fit my situation. And I don't dump on ppl for trying to help.
03:43.45jmdjester45, You are wrong.  The reciprocal of zero is.
03:44.02jester45jmd, nothing tangable
03:44.02prolixhuh
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03:44.17screamingbytesabrotman: not all answers I get are right, unless they are coming from a few ppl on this board, you being one of them, jelly-home, and enof
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03:44.19jester45and yes a irc channel is tangable
03:44.31jmdbut the IRC protocol is not.
03:44.41Kamisamahmm
03:44.43Kamisamai need a name
03:44.48jmdfred
03:45.06dudemanhey
03:45.10dudemanwhats the matter with you
03:45.17dudemantake this shit to #defocus
03:45.20Inuyasha-XWow, it's like every name has been registered here.
03:45.23screamingbytesabrotman: so did you see my q earlier about bug lvl  of severity?
03:45.23Inuyasha-X#puppy
03:45.35screamingbytesabrotman: you mind answering that one?
03:45.35abrotmanscreamingbytes: my answers are not always right .. but at least i don't give ubuntu answers :)
03:45.40abrotmanscreamingbytes: repeat it please
03:45.41dudemanscreamingbytes, severity level of bugs
03:45.52jester45well it could be.. if someone remembers it then it is somewhere inside of their brain
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03:46.14dudemanno just shitty answers.
03:46.14pobegaIs there any reason why wpa_gui wouldn't work? When I try to scan it does nothing, and on the xterm I launched it from I see: "PING failed - trying to reconnect"
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03:46.23jester45lol ubuntu answers == Windowss help file ?? '
03:46.24IRC-Viewer101is there a way to force Sid to only use Lenny testing updates?
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03:46.28abrotmanIRC-Viewer101: no
03:46.31dudemanIRC-Viewer101, no
03:46.32IRC-Viewer101seriously?
03:46.34screamingbytesabrotman: i am having an issue on 3 of my box's with mouse themes, they are not applying correctly (i.e. 1/2 way or just above) what severity should I file that as?
03:46.35dudemanyes
03:46.38IRC-Viewer101how sure are you?
03:46.43dudemanIRC-Viewer101, 110%
03:46.47sarasanis there any standard comprehensive book kind of manual that debian.org prescribes to a home user?
03:46.51IRC-Viewer101i was reading somewhere that someone was doing that
03:46.52dudemanIRC-Viewer101, why?
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03:47.03abrotmanscreamingbytes: probably just normal
03:47.05sarasanand that is available only as free as the debian softwares are..
03:47.05jester45dudeman, what if you manually installed the packages
03:47.09dudemanI have converted a sid box to stable but it took some work and it wasn't worth the effort
03:47.12sarasans/only/online/
03:47.13dudemanjester45, no.
03:47.23dudemandependency and abi complications
03:47.29abrotmanscreamingbytes: the DD can always re-level it
03:47.31screamingbytesabrotman: ok, ty, and in the future I will not provide solutions from anything but debian
03:47.41jester45but you could... just really really shouldnt
03:47.47dudemanyou can't.
03:47.53dudemanYOU can't.
03:47.55dudemanI could.
03:48.13jester45yes i can  i just wont
03:48.20dudeman:D
03:48.25dudemanI just wanted to sound all dramatic
03:48.26dudeman:D
03:48.32IRC-Viewer101i probably could
03:48.34IRC-Viewer101i don't want to
03:48.34jester45i have better things to do than break my system
03:48.37abrotman!downgrade
03:48.38dpkgmethinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently.  No future support is anticipated.  Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade.  You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.  Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn>
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03:49.07dudemanyou can try to switch between sid/testing but not down to stable
03:49.13IRC-Viewer101then can i turn Sid into a stable version?
03:49.16IRC-Viewer101or something?
03:49.17dudemannope
03:49.20IRC-Viewer101i'm fucked
03:49.22IRC-Viewer101lol
03:49.23dudemanIRC-Viewer101, just install stable
03:49.29IRC-Viewer101testing is better
03:49.30dudemanthen inside stable setup a sid chroot
03:49.34karlpincIRC-Viewer101 : _Eventually_, testing will be stable.
03:49.35dudemanfor whatever development you need to do
03:49.47jmdIRC-Viewer101, Switch to #ubuntu
03:49.52IRC-Viewer101i'm not using ubuntu
03:49.54karlpincIRC-Viewer101 : I prefer stable.  YMMV.
03:49.55IRC-Viewer101i don't want to use ubuntu
03:49.57abrotmanjmd: that's not a valid answer
03:50.02IRC-Viewer101lenny allowed me to use my soundcard
03:50.13IRC-Viewer101i moved from ubuntu to debian
03:50.20karlpincIRC-Viewer101 : There's also backports.org.
03:50.31IRC-Viewer101i decided not to bother with that
03:51.13jmdMaybe we should configure the bot to kick anyone who mentions ubuntu
03:51.42IRC-Viewer101that would humorus
03:51.44abrotmanit'd be nice
03:52.05jester45dont beat up ubuntu so much
03:52.17karlpincBut then we couldn't tell people where to go talk ubuntu.
03:52.18jester45its getting more users into linux
03:52.21enoufhehe - someone wrote an article, lmap
03:52.22IRC-Viewer101what happened to the debian live-cd project?
03:52.23abrotman!ot
03:52.24dpkgPlease keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
03:52.28abrotmanIRC-Viewer101: it still exists
03:52.34IRC-Viewer101it's not being updated
03:52.40IRC-Viewer101alioth .. etc...
03:52.52abrotmanIRC-Viewer101: they just had a new release .. check the debian-devel-announce archives
03:53.02emma!d-i
03:53.02dpkg4.0r4 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ..  If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i.  IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot.  Also ask about <errata>.
03:53.18emmashould i get the stable debian if i'm a new user?
03:53.26enoufhahaha @ "In defense of Ubuntu"
03:53.28IRC-Viewer101i would think so
03:53.33IRC-Viewer101emma, i would think so
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03:54.03IRC-Viewer101ok
03:54.05IRC-Viewer101if i reboot my computer
03:54.07karlpincemma : It's a good choice, so long as your hardware is not too new for support.
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03:54.11IRC-Viewer101can i still select an older kernel?
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03:55.09IRC-Viewer101if i reboot my computer (sid is installed), can i still select an older kernel at grub?
03:55.15karlpincIRC-Viewer101 : You can put older kernels on 'hold' so they don't get replaced, and then specifically install newer kernels.  Or just specifically install kernel versions so the old stuff hangs around.
03:55.27IRC-Viewer101i'll find out
03:55.27IRC-Viewer101brb
03:55.33emmathe reason im choosing to try out debian is becasue today i bought a 40 dollar computer that's very old. for the sole purpose of trying out some other linuxes, than the linux i've started with.
03:55.53enoufuses a 2.6.16 with sid
03:55.59dudemanssh_askpass: exec(/usr/bin/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory
03:56.02dudemanyo
03:56.04dudemanwtf
03:56.07dudemanI have never seen this before
03:56.09dudemanemma, you may wish to start with dsl
03:56.12dudemandebian maybe a bit too bloated for your
03:56.14dudemanenouf, shaddup
03:56.17dudemanenouf, unless you can help me :D
03:56.19dudemangrampa
03:56.19karlpincemma: I got a $50 computer the other day.  The old stuff tends to work fine.
03:56.23emmawhat's dsl?
03:56.27dudeman!dsl
03:56.27dpkgit has been said that dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux @ irc.freenode.net (ask me about <based on debian>)
03:56.44abrotmanemma: just use debian/etch
03:56.48dudeman50mb iso with fluxbox desktop, and other stuff
03:57.05dudeman40$ what you can get?
03:57.10dudeman32mb ram, p2 cpu?
03:57.17emmathis is a Dell OptiPlex GX1 Pentium III, with 512 Mb RAM and 70 GB hdd.
03:57.21abrotmanor that
03:57.25dudemanwhoah! for 40 bucks!?
03:57.25abrotmanemma: use etch
03:57.27karlpincemma: You might want to just install the base packages, and xserver-xorg, and then manually install/uninstall various window managers until you find one that performs fine.  (Although my $50 computer runs gnome adequately.)
03:57.28emmais etch the stable debian?
03:57.30enoufdudeman: you're amazing,.. in just 5 lines you've managed to stuff your foot in your mouth and your ass Twice! ;-)
03:57.31abrotmanyes
03:57.34Malfemma: You should've bought a toaster instead
03:57.36dudemanenouf, yes yes!
03:57.46dudemanenouf, I enjoy it
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03:58.05dudemanssh_askpass: exec(/usr/bin/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory
03:58.08dudemananyone?
03:58.22stew!tell dudeman about enter
03:58.24dudemanI have ssh installed fully i dunno wtf the problem is
03:58.27stew!tell dudeman about repeat
03:58.33abrotmansearch?
03:58.49emmaMalf: why do you say that?
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03:59.00enoufdudeman: no man page here
03:59.19Malfemma: Because toast is delicious
03:59.31dudemanGet:1 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main ssh-askpass 1:1.2.4.1-7 [31.6kB]
03:59.39enouflikes being buttered up :-p
03:59.51emmai thought you are saying that it's foolish to buy a very very old computer. but you see my whole reason was so that i could have a machine to learn about other linuxes on.
03:59.57dudemanthis is riduculous.  How come this started happening lately, I never changed anything on my box, I simply update/upgraded it, and now I'm having to isntall this program?
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04:00.16dudemancan anyone explain to me what the problem is with this? how come this happened on its own?
04:00.22Malfnah an old computer is the way to go for that sort of thing
04:00.26dudemanstew, sorry
04:00.27MalfI just really like toast
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04:01.44IRC-Viewer101i survived
04:01.46stewdudeman: you are asking what "No such file or directory" means? or what?
04:01.56IRC-Viewer101How do I install Windows?
04:02.02stewIRC-Viewer101: wrong channel
04:02.07IRC-Viewer101Ok.
04:02.41enoufdudeman: /usr/share/man/man1/x11-ssh-askpass.1x.gz
04:02.48IRC-Viewer101What does it mean when the tty says "Lenny/sid universe"
04:02.52IRC-Viewer101?
04:02.59IRC-Viewer101Am I using Lenny or Sid?
04:03.07jmdyes
04:03.28dudemanstew, I have lenny, and I update/upraded, and after which I try to use ssh and it gives me ssh_askpass: exec(/usr/bin/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory and I had to install ssh-askpass package.  I am wondering why/how this happend? Curious
04:03.50IRC-Viewer101jmd, are you talking to me?
04:03.54dudemanit didn't used to ask me before is what happened
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04:07.23jmdWhy is the setup for libchipcard-tools asking me for a password?
04:07.33stewdudeman: check to see if you have SSH_ASKPASS env var set
04:07.42IRC-Viewer101What does it mean when the tty says "Lenny/sid universe"?
04:08.11dudemanstew, ok
04:08.35dudemanstew, no I do not, I have 3 other SSH envs
04:08.42IRC-Viewer101ssh is totally unsecure
04:08.47IRC-Viewer101i don't believe in over-network systems
04:09.45stewIRC-Viewer101: is "universe" your hostname?  "Lenny/sid" means that you are running lenny aka testing or sid aka unstable
04:10.03IRC-Viewer101but which one?
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04:10.22IRC-Viewer101yeah, universe is my host name
04:10.26dmoernerIRC-Viewer101, /etc/debian_version only says lenny/sid if you run testing or unstable. if you want more information install lsb-release and run lsb_release -a
04:11.17stewIRC-Viewer101: they are both moving targets, so that question isn't necessarily easy to answer.  compare the package versions of installed packages vs. ones available.  perhaps apt-show-versions can help
04:11.23IRC-Viewer101ok, i'm using sid
04:12.35IRC-Viewer101i guess my system isn't broken
04:12.41IRC-Viewer101so i don't have to worry about anything
04:12.47IRC-Viewer101i'll just not update anything for a couple of weeks
04:13.11stewIRC-Viewer101: why wouldn't you update?
04:14.20IRC-Viewer101because i'd get a virus
04:14.38IRC-Viewer101the packages are in development, so whoever finds the bug/hole first wins
04:14.59stewIRC-Viewer101: what are you talking about?  how does updating get you a virus?
04:15.06dmoernerIRC-Viewer101, if you don't upgrade for 3 weeks, wouldn't that make it worse by your own logic?
04:15.15IRC-Viewer101no
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04:15.29IRC-Viewer101because updating requires an internet connection
04:15.29enouftrollin trollin trollin
04:15.45IRC-Viewer101lol
04:15.49IRC-Viewer101ok ok
04:15.57IRC-Viewer101but there is logic to my argument!
04:16.01Malftrue you should be safe sticking with IRC instead of an internet connection
04:16.06stewIRC-Viewer101: if you are worried about security, you should run stable, not an out of date unstable
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04:16.21enoufnobody names their computer universe :-P
04:16.31IRC-Viewer101user@universe
04:16.38enouf.com
04:16.40IRC-Viewer101it's hardxcore
04:16.58enoufooops, look - the bubble burst
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04:20.37sarasanis there any particular documentation of debian which helps home users?
04:20.48sarasani mean which focuses non-techie home users?
04:21.00IRC-Viewer101yes
04:21.03sarasanwhere?
04:21.07IRC-Viewer101on the internet
04:21.27IRC-Viewer101http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals
04:21.46sarasani mean all seems to start with a shell.. which i think a normal user can forget for the zeroth hour for the sake of his peace of mind..
04:22.43IRC-Viewer101not if hardware doesn't work right awya
04:22.55Maliutaif you don't want to face a shell keep away from unicies
04:23.10IRC-Viewer101and dos
04:23.13IRC-Viewer101lol
04:23.17sarasanand then he wants to use it with less care on security as most of those are having an isolated computer with very minimal installation..
04:23.32Maliutago and get a Fisher Price OS if you want to point and click everything
04:23.32sarasans/installation/internet connection/
04:23.56IRC-Viewer101well, that's nice
04:24.02IRC-Viewer101gnu/linux is good for people like that
04:24.09IRC-Viewer101they don't want to do much but have a nice typewriter
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04:26.00MalfYou can easily have a Fisher Price debian if you are inclined to configure it that way
04:26.03sarasani like the shell.. and i know its not that hard and i know its the best way to make computer do what we want.. but i have my friends who dont want to chase their dreams in computer.. but want just to make his office documents to be prepared in computer,wants to remove virus on his thumb(for the moment until he completely migrates from windows)
04:26.10Gnurduxor you could get teh 'buntu
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04:26.37Gnurduxfor removing virus from thumb, he can use knoppix
04:26.38sarasani dont use ubuntu and dont want to make people use ubuntu,as i think they forgot the basics in between..
04:26.47emma!d-i
04:26.47dpkg4.0r4 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ..  If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i.  IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot.  Also ask about <errata>.
04:27.00Gnurduxi hate ubuntu for various reasons, but i recognize that a lot of people like it
04:27.09Neon^AWAY^mint is supposedly very easy
04:27.19Gnurduxmint is basically ubuntu
04:27.30Gnurduxubuntu used to basically be debian, but at some point that stopped being true
04:27.36Neon^AWAY^yea but people say ubuntu is basically debian
04:27.45Gnurduxtrue
04:27.46IRC-Viewer101yeah, people have this conversation on lots of forums
04:28.00piecesandbitsif you already have it set up for him, then learning the command when needed wouldn't be so overwhelming
04:28.08sarasani just want to know the standard way to make debian an os for home users and to know whether  we have a documentation for that..
04:28.16Gnurduxalthough i have a feeling that if you interviewed random linux users, and asked them whether ubuntu was based on debian or debian based on ubuntu, a lot would probably sat the latter
04:28.21IRC-Viewer101sarasan, setup debian then use clonzezilla
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04:28.28Gnurduxsarasan, isnt there a desktop tasksel option?
04:28.37IRC-Viewer101make a restore CD to manipulate clonezilla to recreating the nix setup incase the user messes up
04:29.14IRC-Viewer101it gives a person the same feeling as a
04:29.18IRC-Viewer101as a Windows restore
04:29.28IRC-Viewer101has carpal tunnel.
04:31.59sarasanok.. but i also want a permenant solution,hmm i dont believe in making debian look like windows as thats rather fooling the user,and he will later get confused as the thing as a whole dont work like windows.. so i can make him change from the zeroth hour but i just want to tune debian from a high secured,pro oriented os to a low secured,non-techie oriented os.. and for that i just want to know what standard doc debia
04:31.59sarasann prescribes..
04:32.12IRC-Viewer101the clonezilla thing is the best idea
04:32.58stewsarasan: /msg dpkg reference
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04:34.01IRC-Viewer101!help
04:34.03stewsarasan: debian doesn't provide documentation specific for "non-techie oriented" users
04:34.13castponders using udpcast to transfer an image to 15 comps at once
04:34.32sarasanhmm.. dont you people think such a guide is required?
04:34.39IRC-Viewer101yep
04:34.41sarasani mean am i missing something?
04:34.43stewsarasan: no, if you do, by all means, please write one
04:34.51IRC-Viewer101but unless you plan on working 30+ hours and doing my college work, i'm not making the guide
04:35.00IRC-Viewer101p.s. i'm working on the bachelor's in molecular biology
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04:35.25sarasanofcourse, but i thought with debian being here for decades i thought that would be here already.. it should bere may be i havent seen it yet.
04:35.36IRC-Viewer101i thought that same thing, too, when i came over
04:35.38castdebian is pretty easy to use, my mum manages to get by just fine
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04:35.47sarasanof couse my mom and dad too..
04:35.50IRC-Viewer101i've been reading ubuntu guides to supplement some activities in debian
04:35.56emmaWhy doesn't Debian adopt some of the best practices of Ubuntu, such as having a pretty warm and enthusiastic community, and then make Debian even better.
04:36.01sarasanbut itz coz i am with them..
04:36.23sarasansituation changes when, we have to make a non-techie with a computer at his home and a cellphone in hand to make work debian..
04:36.32castemma: doesn't ubuntu have the policy of not telling people to rtfm. :<
04:36.44jester45emma, im pretty and warm... at least i like to think so
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04:37.51jester45or maybe because debian's devs would rather make a good os rather than a good social networking community
04:37.53sarasanyeah thats what i exactly want,and there should be some way already to do that, i want a non-techie to be able to install and use debian with a single book in hand in the most easiest way with a single dvd in hand..
04:38.10IRC-Viewer101i think it's a money maker
04:38.18IRC-Viewer101for the past few weeks, i thought about doing that
04:38.22quentusrex_laptoDoes anyone know if it is possible to have the unique openvpn certs(unique to each laptop) all named the same thing? This way the openvpn client configurations could all be put into a deb package?
04:38.38jester45sarasan, you can... boot a install cd and hold down enter untilll you enter usernames and passwords
04:38.54jester45should get everything done
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04:39.16sarasanok about administration?
04:39.27castisn't there already an extensive install manual? and reference manual?
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04:39.32sarasani mean about using debian the minimal way?
04:39.43prolixjester45: if the devs are concerned about making a better os, wouldn't a larger pool of testers be beneficial?
04:40.10stewprolix: generally not.  the problem is not finding the bugs, but getting people to fix the bugs
04:40.21sarasanok say specifically about managing users and groups to make everything work for him without the hazzle of asking for root passwords..
04:40.26emmaDebian could have a comparative advantage with Ubuntu by being a lively community that embraces people who not authoritarian. In the Ubuntu community, they seem to be very authoritarian, and some times very cruel to people who resist that.
04:40.27jester45prolix, yes but have you seen ubuntu bugs? about 700 new bugs a day and 5 of those are real/ not copies
04:40.36prolixstew: innate computer instinct?  i wasn't born with that allele pair
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04:40.50stewprolix: what?
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04:40.53fasttrackhy frnds
04:40.58prolixjester45: fair enough
04:41.14jester45there is a balance between number of users to help and number to hurt (the more users less less techy they become)
04:41.19fasttracki want to create a lan inside my laptop.... for that will creating dummy interfaces suffice?
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04:41.22piecesandbitssarasan, help your people learn
04:41.32stewsarasan: what you are asking for is a bad idea
04:41.44IRC-Viewer101fasttrack, i think so
04:41.56IRC-Viewer101fasttrack, i think people use virtual networks
04:42.01sarasanpiecesandbits:ofcourse i am and what i am asking here is the result of my experience..
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04:42.12prolixjust a thought
04:42.14sarasani mean i love debian, i just want the others too love it..
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04:42.32stewsarasan: if you think that there is documentation lacking from http://www.debian.org/doc/ please help by writing more
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04:42.58sarasanok ok ill have another detailed look on the docs available,to choose from what i want..
04:43.00fasttrackguys...
04:43.02sarasanthanks a lott..
04:43.18casti like the debian community. i don't really like the ubuntu community as much. not so much a fan of making the debian community more ubuntu like.
04:43.25fasttrackwill a bunch of  dummy interfaces simulate a lan?
04:43.29Neon^AWAY^sarasan: you want to get them doing stuff hook them up with something like fluxbox and get them to setup the keys file to open the stuff they want
04:43.41IRC-Viewer101fasttrack, maybe.
04:43.49stewfasttrack: what do you mean by "dummy interface"?
04:44.00IRC-Viewer101isn't this virtual networking?
04:44.03IRC-Viewer101i mentioned it once
04:44.28prolixthis channel is great for efficient, concise assistance, i agree there
04:44.47fasttrackwell.... i have the slightest idea!!... once i remmebr my frnd showing me how to create "alias's" for the eth0..
04:44.59stewfasttrack: no, that will not simulate a lan
04:45.08fasttracki tried it now... it worked and now i have a dummy0 in my ifconfig
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04:45.36fasttrackbut i have no idea what dummy0 is..and no idea how i did it(i forgot).. and no idea how to remove it
04:45.37IRC-Viewer101ping it
04:45.40IRC-Viewer101assign it an IP
04:45.42stewfasttrack: what exactly are you trying to do?
04:45.54Obnautic_bbHow do I manage my bootflag via the cli?
04:46.00fasttrackIRC-Viewer101: it works exactly like an interface
04:46.08IRC-Viewer101good
04:46.12stewObnautic_bb: by bootflag, do you mean kernel parameters?
04:46.13IRC-Viewer101i don't see the point, though
04:46.15fasttracki even got wireshark to sniff it!!
04:46.29IRC-Viewer101you were able to sniff data you know about
04:46.29IRC-Viewer101cool
04:46.58fasttrackstew: I am trying to create a lan that connecta many softphones to my  bridge(b0)
04:47.08screamingbytesabrotman do you use a gui ?
04:47.12fasttrackall softphones are in my laptop
04:47.23IRC-Viewer101psychedelic
04:47.40Obnautic_bbstew whatever ditermens which partition the bios boots the hdd from
04:47.42IRC-Viewer101old school, alexander grahm bell stuff
04:48.15fasttrackwell... actually new school, cisco ucm stuff
04:48.17fasttrack;)
04:48.31IRC-Viewer101i figured you were up to cisco
04:48.34IRC-Viewer101sounded ciscoy
04:48.48jester45is qemu the only cli vitualization software. excluding ones that need kernel changes (openvz xen uml)
04:48.53screamingbytesstew, jelly-home, enouf: same q, do you guys use a gui?
04:48.55stewfasttrack: why do you need a lan to connect many softphones?  why can't you just connect many softphones from the same machine/ip?
04:49.05screamingbytesif so which? Gnome Kde?
04:49.19stewscreamingbytes: what are you trying to do?
04:49.21Obnautic_bbStew?
04:49.40stewObnautic_bb: i don't understand your question?  are you just asking how to change what root= parameter is passed to the kernel?
04:49.48Neon^AWAY^sounds like he's trying to start a flamewar
04:49.49stewObnautic_bb: are you trying to change this for all kernels? or just one?
04:49.58screamingbytesim going to start developing more (gui) for linux, instead of just console items.
04:49.58fasttrackcoz then i wont be able to configure my gateway and gatekeeper routers for *each* softphone.. instead i will need to configure a *single* ip.
04:50.09enoufscreamingbytes: just for browsing (links2 -g) and xterms and irc
04:50.24Obnautic_bbWell right now fdisk -l is showing that there's a boot parameter on /dev/sda4 I wanna move that to sda1
04:50.40prolixbuttons are nice.  i prefer speed
04:50.40screamingbytes<PROTECTED>
04:51.39stewObnautic_bb: which boot loader are you using?  are you using grub?
04:51.39screamingbytesenouf: why do you use a gui for those?
04:51.39Obnautic_bbGrub
04:51.39screamingbytesthose are console arn't they
04:51.39stewObnautic_bb: grub ignores this flag
04:51.39Obnautic_bbstew, its booting the wrong volume
04:51.39Obnautic_bbI need to move the boot flag
04:51.44IRC-Viewer101i'm going to start building more in ncurses
04:51.48IRC-Viewer101and it will adjust to the person's screen
04:51.50Obnautic_bbright now its booting windows by default
04:51.51enoufscreamingbytes: you asked me about gui, correct?
04:51.54IRC-Viewer101yeah, everything will be in text
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04:52.00screamingbytesenouf: yessir
04:52.03Obnautic_bbI need it to boot grub
04:52.05stewObnautic_bb: edit the "default" setting in /boot/grub/menu.lst
04:52.15Obnautic_bbStew this will not do anything
04:52.17screamingbytesenouf: which one you use... KDE or Gnome, Xfce4 etc...
04:52.19stewObnautic_bb: wait, its not booting grub?
04:52.24stewObnautic_bb: /msg dpkg fixmbr
04:52.24IRC-Viewer101list what you want to boot
04:52.34Obnautic_bbIts NOT loading grub because the boot flag is not on grub's volume
04:52.37enoufscreamingbytes: none of the above , though i have a kde installed here
04:52.42stewObnautic_bb: what boot loader are you using?
04:52.55emmaI put the debian cd in the computer and it said, 'win32-loader.ini is incomplete contact provider of this medium'
04:52.58Obnautic_bbbashes face on desk
04:53.07stewObnautic_bb: did you install grub to a partition instead of the MBR?
04:53.24Obnautic_bbI need to move from my windows loader, to grub
04:53.31stewObnautic_bb: /msg dpkg fixmbr
04:53.39screamingbytesenouf: so you you use KDE more than Gnome, do you like it better, or do you view an advantage?
04:53.44stewObnautic_bb: or read the install instructions in /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz
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04:54.00enouf!rescue mode
04:54.00Obnautic_bbno...
04:54.00dpkgDebian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders.  See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details.  Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto
04:54.05emmahey could anyone give me some guidance?
04:54.08emmaI put the debian cd in the computer and it said, 'win32-loader.ini is incomplete contact provider of this medium'
04:54.19IRC-Viewer101!ubuntu
04:54.19dpkgUbuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>).  Only Debian is supported on #debian.  Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead.  Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.  See also <based on debian>.
04:54.25enoufscreamingbytes: no, they're both bloated behemoths
04:54.26stewIRC-Viewer101: please /msg the bot
04:54.48Obnautic_bbstew all I must do is move the boot flag.
04:54.49screamingbytesenouf: agreed :) but to develope graphical tools i suppose thats what you get
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04:54.55Obnautic_bbbrb
04:54.56stewObnautic_bb: how did you install grub?
04:55.05enoufObnautic_bb: linux doesn't need a boot flag
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04:55.14IRC-Viewer101enouf, that's what i was thinking
04:55.15stewenouf: he's not using a linux boot loader
04:55.20enoufscreamingbytes: no, look at recent dillo
04:55.20emmamy question is not about ubuntu it is about debian.
04:55.30emmaI'm trying to use debian could anyone help?
04:55.31stewObnautic_bb: did you run "grub-install"?  if you did, what device did you install it to?
04:55.33emmaI put the debian cd in the computer and it said, 'win32-loader.ini is incomplete contact provider of this medium'
04:55.40enoufstew: ok - you take it
04:55.43IRC-Viewer101i had a grub issue this week and fixed it
04:55.48IRC-Viewer101it's because i was using two drives
04:55.56IRC-Viewer101i found i had to manually edit the menu.lst in the end
04:56.00screamingbytesenouf: looking
04:56.04stew!tell IRC-Viewer101 about enter
04:56.04IRC-Viewer101it somehow switched up the drives
04:56.07Obnautic_bbStew its got nothing to do with grubs conf or how it was installed
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04:56.24screamingbytesenouf: lol i almost went to work for these guys
04:56.31stewObnautic_bb: yes it does
04:56.43fasttrackguys
04:56.44screamingbytesenouf: in the hand held devision.
04:56.50stewObnautic_bb: you can change the boot flag with fdisk
04:56.55fasttrackanyone know syntax for creating dummy interfaces?
04:56.58emmaI guess Debian cannot be installed on my computer.
04:57.05enoufscreamingbytes: there are tons of others, even just browsers, now using webkit , tcl/tk ? midori, kazehakaze, h3v ?
04:57.08idn901;)
04:57.10Obnautic_bbstew, elaborate, no man pages on thuis livecd :/
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04:57.12castemma: dpm
04:57.13stewObnautic_bb: however, i'm guessing that you also need to install the grub bootloader
04:57.19castemma: don't repeat so often mayhpa
04:57.20jester45hehe figured out why my qemu webui wasnt working... didnt have qemu installed
04:57.31castmoves kb a bit to the right
04:57.34screamingbytesenouf: indeed, im focusing on C++ to strengthen my skil set
04:57.40enouf!win jester45
04:57.40dpkgCongratulations, jester45! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
04:58.06stewObnautic_bb: fdisk has help
04:58.06jester45sweet
04:58.07screamingbytesenouf: and in some cases gui kits like GTK. Im also using perl because GTK is portable to Perl
04:58.09emmaI restated what I said because it seemed no one could see me.
04:58.42Obnautic_bbStew its cfdisk brb
04:59.24castemma: maybe no one knows. and debian is installable on your computer.
04:59.46stewemma: you get this error when you boot the cd? or when you insert it? or what?  this error doesn't seem like one that actually comes from debian
05:00.05emmawhen i insert the cd
05:00.31emmathen select to install the normal way, it comes up as a dialog box.
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05:01.48idn901emma: I think you should make your pc to boot from the CD drive
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05:02.04dbmoodbhi there i have a question about vectors how do i define a 2d vector ? ... i want to hold a character within it. i have only used arrays before.
05:02.13dbmoodbwhat is the syntax of it ?
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05:02.29\amethystdbmoodb:  what language?
05:02.30dbmoodboh ooop sorry wrong channel
05:02.34\amethystah
05:02.37dbmoodbi thought i joined c++
05:02.51dbmoodbsorry will move there
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05:04.55emmai am doing that and it's working now.
05:05.39idn901emma: Before installing debian you should prepare your PC, backup!!!
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05:06.37emmai purposely bought a 40 dollar computer so that I can live dangerously.
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05:07.07Arafangionemma, Pfft. Dangerious is getting and using a *free* computer as your primary system. :)
05:07.12idn901;)
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05:07.31emma:)
05:07.50Arafangionemma, For example, a Macintosh II (I think that one was 16-bits with an 8-bit bus)
05:07.54aranjedeathAnyone have any idea why only linux(in this case debian) would show less ram(by a significant margin) than what the computer has? The ram is verified not dead/dieing, it works and shows up fully in windows as well.
05:08.16Arafangionaranjedeath, How much RAM do you have?
05:08.19aranjedeath2 gigs
05:08.23aranjedeathshows 885 megs.
05:08.28stewaranjedeath: what does "uname -r" say?
05:08.42aranjedeathbuddhaserv:/home/aranjedeath/Desktop# free -m
05:08.42aranjedeath<PROTECTED>
05:08.42aranjedeathMem:           885        831         53          0         17        412
05:08.42aranjedeath-/+ buffers/cache:        402        482
05:08.42aranjedeathSwap:         2588         18       2570
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05:08.53aranjedeathwoops
05:08.55Arafangionaranjedeath, Recompile your kernel for large memory.
05:08.55aranjedeathanyway.
05:09.01aranjedeathShitwhat?
05:09.12aranjedeathIs that what's wrong with it?
05:09.18stewaranjedeath: what does "uname -r" say?
05:09.21jester45aranjedeath, paste the output of uname -r
05:09.28aranjedeath* sorry, pasted wrong thing :P
05:09.40aranjedeath2.6.26-1-486
05:09.59Arafangionaranjedeath, Indeed.  :(  Any reason why you're using the 486 kernel?
05:10.02dmoerneraranjedeath, try -686 for 2 gigs of memory
05:10.06jester45doesnt debian have bigmem kernels?
05:10.07stewaranjedeath: yes, the -486 kernels don't support that much memory, you should probably be using a -686 kernel
05:10.15aranjedeathBecause it was the default that came with the distro install?
05:10.26Arafangionjester45, I'm under the impression that it does, however I'm an oldie.
05:10.35aranjedeath:/
05:10.42dmoerneryou only need bigmem for > 3 gigs of memory
05:10.49aranjedeathYeah.
05:10.53aranjedeathI've only got 2
05:11.06aranjedeathI dunno how to get a newer one
05:11.12aranjedeatherr, different?
05:11.15aranjedeathwhatever it is
05:11.22stewaranjedeath: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686
05:11.28jester45dmoerner, depends on your chipset i have 2 but only shows up <1g without bigmem
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05:11.40piecesandbitscrap, I thought anymore dist-upgrade detected that sort of thing :(
05:11.48Arafangionpiecesandbits, How could it?
05:11.57piecesandbitsshrug
05:12.00dmoernerjester45, interesting i wasn't aware of that. i use bigmem for my 4 gig system
05:12.03aranjedeathhmm
05:12.03stewdmoerner: no, there are different settings for <1g <4g and >4g
05:12.11aranjedeathWierd
05:12.20castemma: if a grml or knoppix cd works you can install from that
05:12.32aranjedeathThis was just the kernel that apt-get upgrade gave me after I installed debian lenny beta2
05:12.35Arafangionaranjedeath, Keep in mind that Debian works on far more systems that windows does, and sometimes there's a price to pay for that. :(
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05:12.36jester45i just use bigmem on 1gig + systems not like it hurts that much
05:12.38stewpiecesandbits: detected what?
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05:13.24aranjedeathWill that apt-install command give me a new kernel, or do I hafta compile it myself?
05:13.24piecesandbitsstew, seems to me that recently dist-upgraded would use 686 if I had 2gig installed
05:13.28jester45lots simpler than after a install thinking the machine is slow but its only using 1/3 its real ram
05:13.38stewaranjedeath: that aptitude command will give you a new kernel, you don't have to compile one
05:13.43aranjedeathSweet
05:13.44aranjedeathlol
05:13.47stewpiecesandbits: no, it would not (and should not) do this
05:13.57jester45piecesandbits, but apt doesnt know you have 2gig because the old kernel is only showing 800
05:14.01Arafangionaranjedeath, I suggest you just give the -686 one that stew suggested a go, it should be all you need.  I only said to recompile it because I'm an oldie stuck in the old (and stupid) ways.
05:14.05aranjedeathI did that once for one of my other computers(got the source and compiled) but didn't have the balls to install it
05:14.09swirl_redhello someone who can tell me if there is a solution for this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=489958
05:14.33piecesandbitsmuch! appreciate the info
05:15.04stewswirl_red: yes, it says, "fixed in audacious 1.5.1-2"
05:16.31aranjedeathsweet, seems to have installed alright
05:16.35aranjedeathI should reboot sometime
05:16.49aranjedeathBut, I'm listening to an awesome song :D
05:17.11Arafangionaranjedeath, By default, it keeps the old one around, so in the chance that the new kernel simply doesn't work, you can change to the old kernel in the boot menu.
05:17.46swirl_redstew, then updated to version 1.5.1-2 already arrglaria my problem and that this package lenny?
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05:18.12enoufthe -486 have CONFIG_HIGHMEM=n . so you see ~875MB ram only ..
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05:18.36stewswirl_red: http://packages.debian.org/audacious can tell you what version is currently in lenny, i don't know what "arrglaria" means
05:18.47aranjedeathAny idea how to remove old ones?
05:18.54Arafangionjester45, Oh, and was it you who was helping me with the wireless functionality of my system?
05:18.56aranjedeathI have an extra one
05:19.06aranjedeathThe new one, the old one, then the old-er one
05:19.12enoufhighmem adds more layers, and slows it down, if you don't have more than 1GB - makes sense to use -486
05:19.17jester45nope i wont use wireless untill they make wireless ram
05:19.18stewaranjedeath: aptitude remove packagename
05:19.20Arafangionjester45, If so, thanks, _finally_ fixed now, turns out that the kernel module really does have to be a module.
05:19.27Arafangionjester45, Wireless ram?
05:19.31aranjedeathhmm
05:19.34swirl_redstew, then updated to version 1.5.2 and my problem is fixed and that this package lenny?
05:19.45jester45yes thats when ill start using wireless
05:19.51GiganticDo you think a Quadro would be a good choice for Mathlab?
05:19.57swirl_redstew, my English is a little bad Excuse me
05:19.59Arafangionjester45, What the <censored> is wireless ram? :)
05:20.05stewswirl_red: http://packages.debian.org/audacious
05:20.17jester45well other than my iphone but iphones are so cool
05:20.27jester45Arafangion, nothing yet but i can wait
05:20.48Arafangionjester45, Haha. :)  btw, regarding iphones, they are cool but I'd rather a device that has buttons.
05:21.04jester45it has a button
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05:21.06emmai'm in the debian installer now and i'm trying to set up the partitions in order to dual boot with a home partition.
05:21.22Arafangionjester45, And an SDK allowing development without requiring a mac.
05:21.39Arafangionemma, How big is your HDD?
05:21.57jester45Arafangion, come into #debian-offtopic
05:22.15swirl_redthere is some form or command to extract the file / etc / passwd all users who are more than 500? in a terminal
05:23.11NeoIceswirl_red: you could probably make a script to do it quickly, possibly just a regular expression
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05:23.24stewswirl_red: awk -F: '$3>500{print $1}' /etc/passwd
05:23.49swirl_redstew, thanks
05:23.56emmaThe funny thing is it says IDE1 master (hda) 80.0 GB // #1 primary 50.0 GB B ntfs // pri/log 30.0 GB FREE SPACE // IDE 1 slave (hdb( - 80.0 GB // #1 primary 80.0 GB ntfs
05:24.08emmawhere // means a new line.
05:24.18stewemma: why is that funny?
05:24.33emmais that saying there are two hard drives in there?
05:24.41stewemma: why is that funny?
05:24.56emmai didn't know there are two hard drives in there?
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05:25.47emmai just bought this machine today out on the street from a business throwing it away.
05:26.35swirl_redfor a good performance graph options that I put in my xorg.conf with a nvidia card?
05:27.02emmacould you advise me on how to partition this so that I can dual boot and have a home partition?
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05:27.40GiganticDoes anyone remember what was the file where the login manager is kept?
05:27.51Giganticmean the setting on which to use
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05:28.34stewGigantic: /etc/X11/default-display-manager, but, you can just run "dpkg-reconfigure gdm" or "dpkg-reconfigure xdm" or whichever you want to run
05:28.42Arafangionemma, Probably a 1GB swap, 30GB root, and the rest for windows, and install windows before installing linux.
05:28.49Gigantic:) Thank you stew
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05:29.20emmaAfterDeath: windows xp is already installed.
05:29.48emmaArafangion: did you see the info I gave about what I see on the screen?
05:29.50castwhere is windows installed, on hda1?
05:30.10grendelsonI was burning a DVD and clicked CLOSE on gnomebaker to stop the task - now the DVD writer is unresponsive nad will not eject.  What do I lookat to see why it is being locked?
05:30.26Arafangionemma, Two HDD's, one being 80GB, the other being 80GB.
05:30.47emma<PROTECTED>
05:30.51Arafangionemma, Linux can read windows partitions fine, though /writing/ to NTFS is trickier.
05:31.01cast[it probably is hda1, so just select it to automatically partition hdb with lvm for you]
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05:31.56emmaselect which one to partition?
05:32.04emmaremember i already have xp on here.
05:32.49Arafangionemma, Leave the winxp partition alone.
05:33.09emmabut it is all ntfs
05:33.22Arafangionemma, Then just use the second drive for linux.
05:33.37emmai don't know which one has windows on it.
05:33.40Arafangionemma, Unless your computer can not boot from the second drive, in which case you may be forced to resise it.
05:33.42emmado you?
05:34.21swirl_redI can say because every time someone shut down or reboot the computer throws me this error gdm http://pastebin.com/m3599ea0d
05:34.21Arafangionemma, I would assume that hda is the windows partition, if you installed using defaults, as that's the primary HDD.
05:34.25piecesandbitscan only guess that xp is on hda
05:34.53Arafangionemma, You could boot Ubuntu on it and check it out - ubutnu doesn't need installation. (Or knoppix)
05:34.59swirl_redstew, because it may be that error http://pastebin.com/m3599ea0d
05:35.01emmaokay so can i just partition hdb into home, root, and swap then?
05:35.04castand if it is hdb, no loss hey ;)
05:35.21castemma: really, if you're asking how to partition let the installer automagically allocate it
05:35.36emmathen how will i learn how to do it manually?
05:35.36Arafangionemma, For your first time, I'd probably just make it a massive drive, don't bother about using /home, though it does make things easier.
05:35.42Arafangioncast, The installer does it automatically?
05:35.44castemma: by reading the manual
05:36.02stewswirl_red: this doesn't seem to have anything to do with audacious
05:36.05castArafangion: aye, it sure does. you just tell it what drive to use
05:36.08Arafangionemma, You'll know next time because you'll notice that your home files take up a certain amount of space, and your system files take up a certain amount of space, etc.
05:36.12Arafangioncast, Nice. :)
05:36.29Arafangioncast, There has been some improvements since potato. ;)
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05:38.12castemma: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition
05:39.10swirl_redstew, the problem solved so audacious and thank you, these are small problems I have in the distro and I would go for repairs without having a system error messages
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05:39.54jester45could someone try to vnc into 69.179.133.55:4229 for me please
05:40.06aranjedeathlol
05:40.39jester45can anyone reach it?//
05:40.41aranjedeathThat's odd
05:40.45aranjedeathIt says Unknown host
05:41.04aranjedeathtried pinging it
05:41.39jester45how about d6-55.rt-bras.wnvl.centurytel.net
05:42.22jester45ooo
05:42.30jester45forwarded to the wrong machine
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05:43.37lazarus477Howdy howdy and good mornin to ya all
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05:44.19aranjedeathlol jester45
05:44.25aranjedeathThat'd do it
05:44.26lazarus477I use Debian Lenny. For the past month or so I have had trouble with lennys package for Samba. The NMBD process does not appear to startup on its own along with the rest such as SMBD
05:44.55lazarus477Does someone know what has gone amiss? Tried this on two different machines, one is brand new with a fresh install and fresh configs.
05:45.14jester45aranjedeath, could you try again for me now?
05:45.33aranjedeathmmhmm
05:45.44jester45it will be really slow
05:46.02jester45aa thats the wrong port
05:46.05jester45...
05:46.07aranjedeathlol
05:46.10aranjedeathHello!
05:46.16jester45i forwarded samba's port
05:46.20aranjedeathOh
05:46.23aranjedeathwell it responds
05:46.29aranjedeath:4229 does
05:46.34aranjedeatherr
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05:46.44aranjedeath*Your address responds
05:46.54jester45i just looked at the most bandwith used on what port and im streaming a movie...
05:46.58aranjedeathPING d6-55.rt-bras.wnvl.centurytel.net (69.179.133.55) 56(84) bytes of data.
05:46.58aranjedeath64 bytes from d6-55.rt-bras.wnvl.centurytel.net (69.179.133.55): icmp_seq=1 ttl=236 time=89.6 ms
05:47.08aranjedeath^
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05:49.22jester45aranjedeath, try port 5901 that should work
05:49.27jester45hopes
05:50.06aranjedeathtries
05:50.17aranjedeathOH
05:50.21jester45your ip 239.X?
05:50.21aranjedeathping won't do ports
05:50.22aranjedeathlol
05:50.27aranjedeathShoulnd't be
05:50.34aranjedeathIt's usually 260 or 160
05:50.43aranjedeathlemme check lol
05:50.45jester45humm
05:51.14aranjedeathNah, 69.x
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05:51.26jester45well its connecting to my router.... but my router isnt doing any routeing just acting like a switch
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05:51.38Giganticdoes anyone here has a Quadro NVS 140M?
05:52.08aranjedeathI have a 7300gt but I don't think that's what you're asking for :D
05:52.15aranjedeathlol
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05:52.37jester45well i guess this will need testing later
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05:53.16rcbarnesWhat replaces the etch package sun-java5-plugin in lenny?
05:53.36jester45try searching packages.debian.org
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05:54.13dmoernerrcbarnes, sun-java6-plugin?
05:54.19rcbarnesjester45: No Joy.
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05:54.40jester45sun-java5-plguin is in lenny in the non-free repo
05:54.44rcbarnesdmoerner: Not listed here.
05:54.46jester45along with 6
05:54.53jester45http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=java+plugin&searchon=names&suite=testing&section=all
05:55.57rcbarnesjester45: strange.  I can't seem to install it, even though I have non-free in my apt.sources...
05:56.18rcbarnesjester45: First line therein:  deb http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
05:57.45stewjester45: which arch are you on?
05:58.02jester45i386
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05:58.40osmosishow do I assign two IPs to a single nic?
05:59.08casthttp://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Multiple_IPs
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06:00.06rcbarnesOh. . .  Wait.  None of those are listed for amd64.
06:00.09rcbarnesDamnit.
06:00.11jester45ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.1.11 up
06:00.25jester45rcbarnes, you can use  java-gcj-compat-plugin
06:01.06jester45that should do it also
06:01.07rcbarnesjester45: For some reason, that doesn't play nice with my school's stupid site.
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06:05.25hoxuosmosis, depends on whether the IPs are in the same subnet
06:05.53hoxuosmosis, different subnets and you use subinterfaces (eth0:1 etc), same subnet and you can just use "ip addr add" (man ip)
06:06.44hoxuosmosis, you can use post-up in /etc/network/interfaces for the latter, man 5 interfaces
06:07.52Penolhow to redirect all port 80 trafic to 192.168.1.3
06:08.13Penolwith iptables
06:08.26osmosishoxu: ok
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06:08.44PenolINTERNET --> GW --> 192.168.1.3
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06:08.54rcbarnesWell, this is really pretty disappointing.  I thought that getting flash working on 64-bit would finish off my 32-bit abandoning woes.  Apparently not.
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06:10.07dmoernerrcbarnes, doesn't icedtea work with amd64?
06:10.18castsometimes its better to just give up on closed source shit, like flash :)
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06:10.51dmoernerrcbarnes, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=23265 seems to suggest a very dirty fix
06:16.04rcbarnesdmoerner: thanks.  I'll try those ideas.
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06:27.23bleckhey, what do you guys use for an mp3 player? amarok keeps crashing
06:27.43castmplayer here :>
06:27.54bleckcast: does it have a decent interface?
06:27.59castnever had it crash playing music before
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06:28.07simonrvnmplayer mpg123 whatever
06:28.09castit sure does. mplayer albums/name/*
06:28.16bleckinvestigates
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06:28.28castmplayer -shuffle singles/*, mplayer -playlist radio.lst
06:28.33castwhat more could you want.
06:29.12simonrvnnot much ;)
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06:34.35manu_hackok, now I need to set acpi=off in order to boot with .26, but then with acpi=off, the CPU fan is still working right?
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06:35.43f00li5hI would expect the fan to either be on full speed, or goverened by the hardware
06:35.57f00li5hyou should look up support for your specific model
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06:39.50manu_hackf00li5h: so it should be safe for most machines even with acpi=off, correct?
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06:41.41sluxorI've installed debian linux etch on a Powermac G4 however Xorg is not using the entire screen, is there any way i can stretch it?
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06:42.30thatsrightwhat does lts stand for?
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06:42.57sluxorthatsright, Long Term Support
06:43.06sluxor!xorg
06:43.06dpkgX.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2.  The current release is X11R7.3.  Ask me about <install x> if you are using etch or newer, or <get xorg> if you are using sarge, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure.
06:43.52thatsrightsluxor: ta
06:44.08sluxor!install x
06:44.08dpkgTo install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg" , you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome>, or <install kde>, or <install xfce>, or <install fluxbox>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
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06:44.28sluxor!drxx
06:44.28dpkgTo reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root.  If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
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06:45.08dbmoodbsluxor: should get an update for lenny.
06:45.16dbmoodb(apt that is)
06:45.49sluxordbmoodb, why if I may ask? I prefer using a stable system
06:46.03thatsrightcan i upgrade to itrepidibex without an internet connection?
06:46.04dbmoodbno no as in the bot
06:46.10Arafangionthatsright, If you're using Ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu.
06:46.34dbmoodbsluxor: i';m also on slble
06:46.38bleckis there any way (via the cli) to set a window position in kde?
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07:03.54casti did ever so like the speady deletes of resierfs, compared to the XFS i'm using now :\
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07:07.18blubberdiblubcast, well, my XFS filesystems delete sufficiently fast, even if batch-deleting lots of files
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07:07.37castmine has a bit of a pause :<
07:07.40omrywoa, just ran out of disk space. my first guess was the logs dir. syslog was 2.6gb, and daemon.log was 6.4gb (!).
07:07.52castwe're talking 1k+ or 10k+ numbers of files
07:08.25hoxu!tell omry about logrotate
07:08.36hoxuwhat a useful factoid ;)
07:08.40omryhoxu, I have logrotate
07:08.45blubberdiblubcast, alright, i'll try it now with 10000 files. let's see how long deleting them takes
07:08.57castas will i!
07:09.01hoxuomry, you can tweak it... although I guess the problem lies in some program
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07:09.08castwill try reiserfs and xfs with 10000 files
07:09.45omryAug 29 10:36:46 home famd[3423]: fd 4 message length 1347375956 bytes exceeds max of 4136.
07:09.48dudemanhey
07:09.49dudemanwhats up
07:09.54dudemanhoxu, cast
07:09.59dudemandbmoodb
07:10.07dudemanwho else is around
07:10.16dbmoodbwhat ?
07:10.19dudemanArafangion, and simonrvn
07:10.21dudemanthats about all
07:10.26dbmoodband ?
07:10.27dudemansimonrvn, hey ping man
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07:10.34dudemandbmoodb, what do you want from me man?
07:10.50dudemanhuh?
07:10.57hoxu!tell dudeman about offtopic
07:11.11dudemanhoxu, I swear to god... now you should run :)
07:11.38dbmoodbyeah it takes work to get a silent room on irc dude.
07:11.38hoxuwas that a threat?
07:11.47blubberdiblubcast, i think 2 seconds is okay for 10k files: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/83896/
07:11.53dudemanhoxu, you don't know me?
07:11.57dudeman'tard :(
07:12.18manu_hackwww.debian-multimedia.org is down?
07:12.23dudemanit shouldnt' be
07:12.37dudemanmhmm seems to be down
07:12.49dudemanmarillat has mirrors, google for a cached page of his page
07:12.54dudemansee if any mirrors are listed
07:12.57manu_hackthat's okay
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07:13.40dudemanmanu_hack, which country are you in?
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07:13.56dudemancolombia.edu i guess usa
07:14.17dudemandeb http://debian.dc-uoit.net/debian-multimedia/ stable main
07:14.17dudemandeb http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/debian/debian-multimedia/ stable main
07:14.27dudemanchange stable with whatever you have
07:14.51blubberdiblubcast, if i delete the whole directory recursively, it's even faster, as the shell doesn't have to glob-enumerate the filenames: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/83897/
07:14.58manu_hackthx dudeman
07:15.07dudemanmanu_hack, welcome
07:15.13dudemanI am the dude, man.
07:15.15dudeman:)
07:15.20dudemanI used to be stoned
07:15.25dudemanbut now I'm just a dude, man.
07:15.54casthttp://paste.pocoo.org/show/83898/ my results
07:15.57dudemanmanu_hack, http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:7GleejNiZyYJ:debian-multimedia.org/debian-m.php+debian-multimedia+mirrors&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
07:15.59h3kwhich multimeida mirror faster in china?
07:16.17castyeah..i thought about globbing making things slower..after, but considering the speed of that delete with the glob guess its insig
07:16.21dudemandeb http://ftp.tw.debian.org/debian-multimedia/ stable main
07:16.24dudemanmaybe one in taiwan
07:16.27dudemango look at this link
07:16.37h3kok, i try it
07:17.14blubberdiblubcast, ~1minute for you? i guess there is something else wrong there
07:17.23castweird huh
07:17.29dudemanwhat?
07:17.31dudemanwhats weird?
07:17.34casti wasn't expecting that long either.
07:17.52castwill try without the glob
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07:19.12dudemanhttp://pastebin.com/d7cff432d
07:19.18dudemanhas anyone ever seen a javascript like this?
07:19.21dudemanwtf is this?
07:20.48castblubberdiblub: how big is your xfs filesystem?
07:20.49blubberdiblubcast, i don't know what could be causing this. do you have some high io load going on meanwhile? or using some io scheduler other than cfq or anticipatory, maybe?
07:20.58castnope.
07:21.09castgive me a few secs
07:21.16castrunning a second time
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07:22.56blubberdiblubcast, my fs i tried that on is 208GiB big, and it's already 89% filled, which means it would probably be faster if it was empty
07:23.20castwelll i'm getting the hd light going pretty hard when i do those two operations with XFS
07:23.33castso maybe its related to having a big empty fs
07:23.59blubberdiblubcast, i can't image that. it would have to be faster with an empty fs
07:24.53simonrvnxfs has one of if not the highest cpu usage...
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07:25.30castresults are repeatable, reiserfs's rm is 100x faster than xfs's for me with a bunch of empty files
07:25.31blubberdiblubcast, how many allocation groups does your filesystem have? did you accidentally set some stripe sizes when making the fs, or something?
07:25.47castall i did was mkfs.xfs, and mkfs.reiserfs
07:26.28blubberdiblubcast, hum, well, then i don't know. listen to simonrvn, i guess
07:26.41casthttp://paste.ubuntu.com/41792/
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07:27.11casttries to remember why he stopped using reiserfs ^_^
07:27.23blubberdiblubcast, i suggest you try with fewer allocation groups, something like 4
07:27.42blubberdiblubcast, i did because reiserfs was quite unreliable for me
07:28.04blubberdiblubcast, -d agcount=4 to mkfs.xfs
07:28.29castoh, in what cases was it unreliable?
07:29.42blubberdiblubhad filesystem structure corruption sometimes, when my system was shut down uncleanly. and sometimes even spontaneosly
07:30.00castahh.
07:30.16casti never had any issues, occasional hard freezes on that box, once every few months maybe
07:30.26castJFS on the other hand. christ. that on my eee was a disaster
07:31.25blubberdiblubi'm very happy with XFS here, though i'll probably switch to ext4 once it gets stable and has the features i expect from a filesystem
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07:34.32blubberdibluband now that grub2 properly supports booting from an XFS partition, i'm even happier. be prepared for a little misbehaving grub-install when using grub-install of the legacy grub for an XFS partition
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07:34.42castwith agcount=4 it's taken...ahh its thrashing the disk a bit...people often do recommend reiserfs for lots of little files, i think everything might be working properly and reiser just owns at this kind of activity...1m 9s so no improvement
07:35.10blubberdiblubyeah, every filesystem has it's strength
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07:36.14h3ki only use ext3..
07:36.33Gigantic< only use swap
07:36.50castwhat was wrong with cpio
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07:37.24level1hi, I'm running a 32 bit system and have a 64 bit partition.  I want to make some changes to the 64 bit partition, using apt, but I can't chroot into it.  Is there a way to run apt with a different root?  or something like that?
07:37.27h3k.........-_-
07:37.46castlevel1: you wont be able to chroot into it from a 32bit system
07:37.49\amethystlevel1:  not without a 64-bit kernel
07:38.01level1yeah, I know
07:38.38\amethystif you have a 64-bit kernel you can do  linux64 chroot /mount/point /bin/bash
07:39.19level1\amethyst: I have a 64 bit kernel but its not running; right now I'm running a 32 bit kernel
07:39.29castbtrfs sure looks neat, i want that! or zfs, but btrfs seems more likely
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07:40.07\amethystlevel1:  then you'll have to reboot
07:40.12level1me-eh
07:40.15level1okay thanks guys
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07:41.57jonhnashi need built a debian cd live of debian sid how i can do this?
07:42.42m0Hi
07:42.48m0my /etc/debian_version doesn't exist, any reason why?
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07:43.09simonrvnjonhnash: you don't. need support for your hardware?
07:43.23simonrvn!kmuto
07:43.23dpkgFor etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>.
07:43.30simonrvn^^^
07:43.44h3k!livecd
07:43.44dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD.  Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu.  Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends.  Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc
07:44.20simonrvnm0: don't have debian? :)
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07:44.27m0Id o
07:44.27jonhnashyes i need built a live cd of sid to test the hardware of laptop that are new and have windows vista i need test that this laptops can run very well debian testing of sid
07:44.30m0I do have debian
07:44.37m0debian 4
07:44.39simonrvni was j/k
07:44.43wols_m0: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
07:44.51m0What should I do?
07:45.15wols_m0: run what I told you
07:45.31m0ii  libc6          2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
07:46.29GiganticIs Quadro just a tunned Geforce?
07:46.56wols_Gigantic: #hardware
07:47.26blubberdiblubcast, btw, how much ram do you have on that machine? i guess xfs needs quite a lot in order to be happy
07:47.43wols_blubberdiblub: no
07:47.55Arafangiondpkg, For a bot, your grammar is quite bad!
07:47.56dpkgArafangion: what are you talking about?
07:48.01cast4GB
07:48.17blubberdiblubwols_, well, i'm just wondering why he has such a bad performance using it
07:48.23blubberdiblubthat's plenty
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07:48.59ArafangionIs Knoppix still maintained? That's effectively Sid, isn't it?
07:49.08jonhnashyes i see a debian live cd built of lenny beta but i need a live cd of debian sid from my system
07:49.16simonrvnm0: try reinstalling base-files package with --confmiss option (/msg dpkg confmiss)
07:49.19wols_Arafangion: it's not debian
07:49.37Arafangionjonhnash, An actual live cd of debian sid would be nearly stupid, imho.
07:49.42wols_jonhnash: there are no CDs of sid. don'texist and probably never will
07:49.47simonrvnArafangion: not really, and i think it is. ask in #knoppix though.
07:49.56simonrvnis maintained
07:49.57jonhnashyes i know but how
07:50.00simonrvnnot debian
07:50.06castsurely you'd select lenny for the laptop anyway
07:50.12jonhnashi can built a live cd of debian testing or sid?
07:50.14simonrvn(just to clarify ;)
07:50.21Arafangionwols_, I thought it used to be an actual debian system, same packages and everything, not a debian-derived system ala Ubuntu.
07:50.35Arafangionwols_, Though, indeed, it's not "debian-proper".
07:50.39wols_Arafangion: you thought wrongly
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07:51.02wols_the ONLY debian systems are the ones from debian.org.no ohters
07:51.11simonrvnjonhnash: you've been told in 3-4 different ways you don't do sid cds. doing testing or etchnhalf
07:51.21Arafangionwols_, No mirrors?
07:51.21jonhnashany tool to built live cd of debian?
07:51.32simonrvn(i'd recommend etchnhalf)
07:51.35castjonhnash: 'debian live'
07:51.37simonrvn"build"
07:51.48simonrvnbuilt is past tense
07:52.07jonhnashyes sorry
07:52.18castblubberdiblub: will see how ext3 fairs, mkfs.ext3 is a bit slow
07:53.04blubberdiblubcast, should do well with directory indexes enabled (i guess they are by default)
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07:54.41m0how do I know if I am on 64bit or 32bit
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07:55.24castdunno the right way, does file /bin/bash say 64bit ?
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07:55.39spreeuwrsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(463) [sender=2.6.8]
07:55.42castdoes uname -a say x86_64?
07:55.47spreeuwI get this error with debian as serverside
07:55.48spreeuwwhy?
07:55.53spreeuwopenssh
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07:56.07BliceHi! I was wondering what CONCURRENCY= in the rc actually does?
07:56.07spreeuwsftp service is enabled etc
07:56.18BliceI know if you set it from "none" to "shell", it makes the boot faster for CPUs with more than one core
07:56.24BliceBut what is it doing, exactly?
07:56.37BliceIs there anywhere I can read up on that? D:
07:56.45castblubberdiblub: damn, ext3 was pretty fast, 0.3s on the rm and 18s in the touch
07:57.43jonhnashwhen debian go to use ext4?
07:58.05spreeuwnext decade
07:58.16blubberdiblubcast, yeah, it's quite performant for most workloads. but that doesn't suffice for me to make it my fs of choice ;)
07:58.23simonrvn!wir
07:58.24dpkgwir is, like, When It's Ready.  See also RSN and SIYH
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08:00.37wols_Blice: which rc?
08:00.58wols_m0: dpkg --print-archtitecture
08:01.20wols_m0: dpkg --print-architecture
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08:01.47jonhnashyes i found a live cd of debian sid
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08:02.41wols_pray tell where?
08:02.52simonrvnprobably be out of date by the time it's built ;p
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08:03.43jonhnashhttp://live.debian.net/cdimage/daily-builds/current/i386/debian-live-sid-i386-gnome-desktop.iso
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08:04.57pflanzeHello. Does anyone know which package is involved for observing battery power and issuing a "halt" when it is getting too low, when running Gnome?
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08:05.28pflanzeIt's broken, so I need to submit a bug.
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08:06.14jonhnashyes this out date
08:06.46Giganticpflanze: use acupsd
08:07.07jonhnashbut now i will live-magic packet to built my sid live cd
08:07.14pflanzeGigantic: what's this?
08:07.26pflanzeGigantic: no such package. And, why not submit a bug?
08:07.51GiganticI did never mention anything about a bug
08:08.23pflanzeSo why should I use acupsd, what is it and where do I find it?
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08:10.30jarickDon't do that too much, they might fall out!
08:10.48castwonders if googling for PAM backdoor is going to result in much porn
08:10.58Giganticlol
08:12.02Gigantichttp://www.celebnewswire.com/pam anderson tommy lee cake.jpg
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08:12.18jarickErr cast
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08:17.03castanyone know why this etch box would have linux-image-2.6.17-2-486 on it?
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08:17.32casti don't know prior history, i presume that was once a testing kernel
08:17.39castnvm. ignore me. i think that'll be why
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08:28.52pflanzeIs it a bug if a package (of a C program/library) does not provide a package containing the debugging symbols?
08:29.06pflanzeOr what policy/whatever is in effect here?
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08:30.35simonrvnonly if it's a -dbg package...
08:30.48pflanzehm?
08:31.01pflanzeMy point is, is it a bug if there is no -dbg package?
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08:31.35Scurzhey
08:31.43simonrvnthat i don't know.
08:31.48pflanzeAlso, in such a case, there is no way reporting a bug to the name of the *source* package, right?
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08:31.58simonrvnof course you can
08:32.04pflanzei.e. I have to choose one of the binary packages at +-random
08:32.07pflanzehow?
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08:32.29simonrvnno. apt-cache showsrc foo. that's a freebie
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08:32.40simonrvnnext one will cost ya :P
08:33.12simonrvntries not giggle outloud, and fails miserably
08:33.22ScurzI've a problem with a server, if I boot the server, all services are not up, only the mail/ftp servers are up, but the ssh and http servers are down, here is the ls of /etc/rc2.d/  : http://pastebin.com/d2bd6bcc9 : would you have any ideas?
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08:33.45simonrvnout loud*
08:35.03ivosis 630 and 1280x1024 resolution - it is possible?
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08:37.36Scurzno idea?
08:38.11xinguusbip.sf.net <-- neat.
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08:39.18castneat
08:39.37castusb-storage device sharing we can already achieve :)
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08:41.00xinguwonders what happens when you usbip-share a usbnet interface
08:41.12enoufkaBOOM!
08:41.15enouf:-p
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08:41.44pflanzeWhy does bugs.debian.org not seem to have a way to show bugs for source packages?
08:41.45enoufWindows already have a name for that - its called uPnP   O_o
08:41.57pflanzesimonrvn: the above is the question that costs
08:42.33castyou mean a thing that goes kaboom or usb sharing
08:42.37enoufoh well - ivo is dead jim
08:42.39NeoIcesavage, I just changed my rEFIt icon to the debian one :D
08:43.30simonrvnpflanze: hehe; do bugs.debian.org/sourcepackagename
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08:44.09pflanzesimonrvn: ok it was the wrong question actually, that one was really "why doesn't it display a link";
08:44.36pflanzesimonrvn: but, why does it show "no reports found" for libbonobo2-0 ?
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08:44.57pflanzewhen reportbug shows a whole list of bugs, ok the latter looks them up in it's source package.
08:45.11enoufcast: just to confirm your suspicion about .17   -> Nov 12 17:36:49 kernel: Linux version 2.6.17-2-486 (Debian 2.6.17-9) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20060901 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-13)) #1 Wed Sep 13 15:56:30 UTC 2006   .../var/log/installer/syslog
08:45.16simonrvndunno. maybe ther aren't, or wrong name. "its"
08:45.43pflanzeehr, libbonobo2-0-dbg that is
08:45.53pflanzeehr libmozjs1d-dbg that is
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08:46.05enouftry again? :-P
08:46.21pflanzewell ok it finds the package, just no bugs there ;)
08:46.26pflanzesry for the noise.
08:46.37enoufquiets down the crowd
08:46.55simonrvnstarts up the pot smoke generator
08:47.07simonrvnthen runs away quickly
08:47.17castanyone got ecryptfs working under etchnhalf?
08:47.31castlast 2 times i tried it assploded :<
08:47.43casttries again
08:47.51simonrvnnever heard of it until now, so no ;).
08:48.09NeoIceso if I write a script like 'a; s2ram; b', do you think 'b' will be execute when the computer wakes up from suspend mode?
08:48.39enoufsimonrvn: haha -- Nyle would love this -> "Doping is rampant... among pro gamers by Cyril Kowaliski * 4:46 PM on August 28, 2008"   http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15411
08:48.43castahh. well! its in the kernel now, its pretty much file level encryption, you mount /enchome /home, /enchome contains one encrypted file for each one in /home
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08:49.07castwhich would make it neat for encrypting things over NFS
08:49.33enoufpflanze: i usually follow the package, from pdo to the dev/maintainer/src page, there's bug lists there
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08:49.52pflanzek
08:50.19enoufor, i should say, links to
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08:51.42simonrvnhm, maybe it's me or my understanding of what you said, but you mount an encrypted mount on a mountpoint somewhere? what does the decoding?
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08:53.32blubberdiblubif i understood it correctly, /enchome is a normal fs, which contains encrypted files, and when you mount it that through ecryptfs on /home, the fs does the en-/decryption
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08:53.55xingucast: with typical hdd bit error rates at one bit every 10-12T, I hope your encrypted filesystem doesn't turn into grey goo on you :)
08:53.57Tadas2Hi
08:54.00castwhat blubberdiblub said
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08:54.18simonrvnah, 'k. thanks. makes sense.
08:54.18Tadas2Is there any boot parameter for floppy boot to make kernel NOT to use swap
08:54.39Tadas2?
08:54.52castthe downside currently to ecryptfs is that file names are visible
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09:00.16ma3x_i have removed pcspkr, yet something beeps when i plug in/out ac adaptor. what is it?
09:00.42castyou tell is, is it coming from the mobo speaker?
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09:01.06castsuggests unplugging that, till something dies and you need to count beeps
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09:01.59ma3x_well it's probably coming from the laptop speakers
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09:03.12anddamnice debian, I had a xfs firewire external drive I couldn't mount in OS X, I got a fat32 usb, booted in debian and now I'm backupping the former on the latter
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09:03.38castThe following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-486 <--how would i isolate whats keeping that back? dpkg --get-selections shows its state set to install, not hold
09:04.30cast[thats from aptitude upgrade]
09:04.38blubberdiblubcast, try "aptitude whynot packagename", or something
09:05.04blubberdiblubcast, sorry, i meant why-not
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09:05.49castahh etch here, i guess thats a lenny+ option
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09:06.09casti can isntall it with aptitude install, just wondering why upgrade doesn't do it
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09:06.37blubberdiblubin that case, you'd be successful finding the cause using aptitude's ncurses interface, i guess
09:06.42MundusFor some reason KTorrent is keeping my soundcard busy, and I was wondering if there is a way to fix that without having to shut down the application?
09:07.01casthmmm, dist-upgrade does it
09:07.05castshrugs and continues
09:07.36pflanzeMundus: one way is to use jackd
09:08.06pflanzeMundus: and then let your programs play sound through jack
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09:08.24pflanzealthough jack is a little bit of a pain to set up.
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09:09.00MundusI think I'll just use a better torrent client then
09:09.20AcTiVaTeMundus: Maybe just tell KTorrent to not use sounds?
09:09.26pflanzeThere is also a new daemon used by the KDE and Gnome projects iirc, but I forgot it's name.
09:09.35AcTiVaTepulseaudio?
09:10.00pflanzenot sure. maybe.
09:10.10pflanzesounds like it.
09:10.43ShadurDon't almost all alsa sound card drivers do multiplexing nowadays?
09:10.55pflanzeNo, increasingly not anymore.
09:11.07pflanzeIt's not the drivers, it's whether the hardware does it or not.
09:11.32pflanzeAnd increasingly the hardware vendors don't do hw mixing anymore, as it doesn't make much sense anymore.
09:12.06AcTiVaTeMy latest card, C-Media simple thingie just creates 2 ALSA devices. My SB Live was way better tho, but it's b0rked :S
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09:12.32AcTiVaTeif the app uses alsa just use hw:0,0 and hw0,1
09:12.39castxingu: out of curiousity, how do you deal with that in linux? [the 1 bit error every now and again]. and do you mean 1 bit per stored 10-12T, or per 10-12T of transfered data to/from drive?
09:12.44AcTiVaTeYou can see by doing aplay -L
09:12.46aleiji dont seems to find initrd-tools under lenny, what can i do?
09:12.48aleijhttp://packages.debian.org/search?suite=lenny&keywords=initrd-tools
09:12.49AcTiVaTeOr was that -l?
09:13.22pflanzeDoes anyone know if/where one can get lists.debian.org list archives in a downloadable format (mbox or similar)?
09:13.35pflanzeI can't find any hint.
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09:14.42castxingu: could really fuck up luks if you only had one keyslot, due to the key AFsplit action going on
09:16.35anddamare there any cons formatting an external drive hfsplus?
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09:18.04xingucast: per stored bit from memory
09:19.13xingucast: "how do you deal with that in linux" - err... one adopts the three wise monkeys' philosophy.
09:19.22pflanzeanddam: hfsplus support is relatively new and might not be well-tested (but I don't have experience), so my advice would be to make sure to keep backups.
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09:19.50xingucast: one day ext4 might deal with it; there's reasons why zfs will never be in-kernel, but block-level ecc is the answer
09:19.57anddampflanze: well it's the external drive that should be my backup :-)
09:20.22anddamanddam: the point is I mainly use os x
09:20.30anddams/anddam/pflanze
09:20.30pflanzewell then make sure you check your backups often instead.
09:20.51anddamwhat about ufs?
09:21.13pflanzethat's older, but still not linux-native, and I've never used it
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09:22.26NeoIcehas anyone ever seen X11 artifact?
09:22.44NeoIcebunch of horizontal lines
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09:23.07pflanzeanddam: also, if you're using special permission stuff (more than the usual unix perms), you may lose those in your backup when just copying files to files to another filesystem implementation
09:23.18anddamI'll stick with hfs+
09:23.49anddamI don't access it from linux usually I just wanted to be sure to be able to, just in case
09:23.58pflanzeloose
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09:24.33anddampflanze: lol I could use ftpfs http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Performance/Conceptual/FileSystem/Articles/MacOSXAndFiles.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/20001988-97329
09:24.42pflanzeanddam: well if you only *read* from those partitions then no worries.. just mount them readonly and you'll not risk anything
09:24.55xinguanddam:
09:25.11xinguanddam: osx is slated to get zfs support soon if it hasn't yet; considered using that?
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09:25.35xinguanddam: or are you trying to share the same block device between system images?
09:25.41castwoooops...took out someones server upgraded the kernel :\
09:25.57casts/ed/ing
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09:26.21aleijincredible no one here can help me build a kernel...
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09:26.35xingucast: never prune the branch you're sitting on. :)
09:26.41castnowadays, people dont really do it anymore
09:26.51aleiji will like to know the diff between initramfs and initramfs-kpkp
09:27.04cast[@ build a kernel]
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09:28.20anddamxingu: I just have to use the drive with os x now, xfs isn't an option from what I've seen
09:28.21aleijcast, you mean everyone has the same computer, and everyone just apt-get install linux-image, i need this for a linux embedded system...man...
09:28.34anddamxingu: but zfs isn't present atm, is it?
09:28.49aleijreally incredible the lack of documentation and help...
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09:28.56pflanzealeij: I'm compiling the kernels just from upstream source, no debs?
09:29.15aleijoke, i should have said.. my kernel is ready
09:29.24aleiji just need to create the initrd
09:29.29aleijbut is under lenny
09:29.51xingualeij: /etc/kernel-pkg.conf: INITRD=YES
09:29.53aleijand the one only good post i found in the forums suggests a tool not present under lenny
09:30.25aleiji will like to know the diff between initramfs and initramfs-kpkp
09:30.32xingualeij: also, update-initramfs(8)
09:30.49castxingu: vmsplice() exploit worked, i had to :\
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09:31.29aleijxingu: do you know if those 2 are the same?
09:31.48pflanzealeij: use update-initramfs
09:31.52xinguI know enough to know that learning that piece of information is going to be a waste of my time
09:32.18xingu(given that it's changed at least once already and will likely do so again)
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09:33.11xingueither use the high level tools (make-kpkg, update-initramfs in a pinch) or the low level tools (evade the packaging system completely) - the middle ground is a fool's errand unless something is _broken_
09:33.29xingu(and it's not, I repackaged 2.6.26-1-686 as recently as fourteen hours ago
09:33.31aleijthats good to know and to and to make people like me confused
09:33.37pflanzeupdate-initramfs is not having to do anything with packages
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09:34.17pflanzeit's the right tool currently for plain kernel management.
09:35.15pflanzealeij: I can give you a perl wrapper which I'm using for installing initrd's for new kernels, if you want
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09:41.08eraldoI am not able to backup my home anymore because I get an error while trying to tar it "tar: /home/eraldo/.gvfs: Cannot stat: Permission denied" as root!
09:41.52pumpkin0eraldo: as user: "ls -lahd ~/.gvfs". What permissions/rights does the dir have?
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09:42.51eraldopumpkin0: "ls: cannot access .gvfs: Permission denied"
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09:44.11pumpkin0eraldo: same thing as root?
09:44.16eraldopumpkin0: I am workin as root (sudo bash)
09:44.34pumpkin0eraldo: become user and run it.
09:45.02eraldopumpkin0: "dr-x------ 2 eraldo eraldo 0 2008-08-29 15:22 /home/eraldo/.gvfs"
09:45.49pumpkin0eraldo: with your user-account: "chmod 777 ~/.gvfs"
09:46.43eraldopumpkin0: did that... should it work now ?
09:47.08pumpkin0eraldo: the root-account (like every other account) can read only the files it has the permission to read. With chmod 777 everybody loged into the system has the right to do anything with that dir.
09:47.35anddambye
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09:47.45pumpkin0eraldo: root only has one little advantage: it can reset any permissions ...
09:47.53eraldopumpkin0: I thought root can read all of them oO
09:48.30pumpkin0eraldo: root is a user. A special user, but still a user.
09:48.33eraldopumpkin0: Oh! did not know that... thank's for clearifying it
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09:49.19pumpkin0eraldo: so backup with the user-account you want to backup.
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09:58.14iixhi i have install debian two days ago. and after i upgraded my packages i rebooted and at login screen i login right then my screen shows my wallpaper nothing else.. and i deleted ~/.gnome/* and ~/.gconf/*
09:58.20iixstill nothing .
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09:59.17iixhelp.....?
09:59.57utb_diabloa guy uploaded a php script on my boxX, I deleted it, but I wonder, is it really dangerous?
10:00.05castutb_diablo: well..what was it.
10:00.11kiiwii<PROTECTED>
10:00.17iix?
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10:00.38utb_diablodidnt open the php script, I just deleted it
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10:01.26iix?
10:01.31castwell next time why don't you have a look
10:01.34iixanyone willing to help?
10:01.35castwhere did he upload it to
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10:02.02NeoIceis there a screensaver that doesnt look super dated (other than electric sheep which is CRAWLING on the download)
10:02.11utb_diabloya, fcourse, i'm cheking my own php files
10:02.39iixhello
10:02.40utb_diablohe uploaded it on /var/www
10:02.59iixindex.
10:03.11iixalso how did he upload it ?
10:03.17utb_diabloit's where my apache2 basedir is
10:03.19utb_diablodunno
10:03.24iixahh.
10:03.26iixRFI
10:03.39iixdid u still have the php code?
10:03.46iixcould be a mass mailer
10:03.46utb_diablona :(
10:03.59iixyou need to secure your php soruce.
10:04.04iixsource*
10:04.12iixfirst google "rfi"
10:04.17utb_diabloya, i'm doing it
10:04.19utb_diablok
10:04.28enoufiix: easy on the enter key - and deleting .. well, ok - tried moving any/all ~/.gnome-private dirs?
10:04.55iixenouf yeah but this was after it still wasnt working.
10:05.03enoufiix: check /etc/default/*dm
10:05.14iixenouf what am i checking for?
10:05.31enoufyou'll know it when you see it
10:05.53iixthere is no /*dm
10:05.55iixand dbus
10:06.31iixsorry about for hitting eneter alot .
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10:07.39iixutb_diablo its some thing to do with your php code one of them have a vuln in it you need to fix it. or else alot of people will be uploading mailers c99 r57 shells to take over your box.
10:08.20iixenouf what now mate ?
10:08.26pflanzeenouf, iix: isn't this the libxml2 issue?
10:08.28enoufwell, /*dm* works - shows kdm.d here
10:08.36enoufpflanze: no idea
10:08.44castutb_diablo: or my suggestion, ditch php :>
10:08.47pflanzeiix: have you seen what I wrote in #gnome?
10:08.54enoufi don't use gnome
10:08.56iixnah ill check now .
10:09.02iixim using irssi so sorry give me a sec.
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10:10.32pflanzeenouf: there has been severe breakage by a libxml2 secfix, which affected all Gnome which were using a few themes which used librsvg
10:10.47enoufand in my dir/10_desktop_base, i have USETHEME="true" and some theme PATHs to imgaes
10:10.49pflanzeenouf: so if someone is asking here about Gnome breakage, it's likely that it's that one
10:11.03enoufand wallpaper and shit
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10:11.11enoufpflanze: ahh ..ok
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10:11.34enoufpflanze: lenny? sid? i doubt etch?
10:11.38pflanzeboth
10:11.44enoufoh
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10:11.51gypsymhi
10:11.53enoufall 2? :-P
10:12.08gypsymwhat's the differents from a locale and a locale@euro?
10:12.23enoufhuh?
10:12.26gypsymdifferences
10:12.27gypsym:)
10:12.28iix:S
10:12.31gypsymsorry
10:12.40pflanzeenouf: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/08/msg01793.html
10:12.43enoufno worries, i still don't get it
10:12.59enoufpflanze: ok - gotcha
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10:13.49pflanzeenouf: and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=496125
10:13.50enoufpflanze: ouch :-O
10:14.24hedgehoginfoghow do install the headers package for my kernel if it's not the newest? I'om only offered the headers package for the newest one
10:14.34enoufi thought the guy was just missing the login part of the gdm splash, so therefore, couldn't login
10:15.13enoufhedgehoginfog: sometimes not avail anymore - check pdo
10:15.25enoufand sdn, and ado
10:15.54hedgehoginfogi am on 25.2 but the newest is 26.1
10:16.09enouf25.2-?
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10:16.58hedgehoginfoglinux-image-2.6.25-2
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10:18.40hedgehoginfogI don't want to upgrade my kernel but i do need the headers for it
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10:22.36iixNo luck man i did apt-get update then upgade rebooted still same issue.
10:23.10iix..
10:23.25Jyzygzy-can you see the R/W actions being done to HD's?
10:23.36iixnope
10:23.47Jyzygzy-or where do you see them
10:23.53pflanzeJyzygzy-: check vmstat
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10:24.26iixpflanze please exsuse me i have to go buy some thing ill be back in 10 mins
10:24.30Jyzygzy-no such thing in debaian repo
10:24.46pflanzeIt's in the procps package
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10:25.18pflanzewhich has Priority: required, so you've got it
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10:25.49pflanzeJyzygzy-: /usr/bin/vmstat
10:26.18enoufhedgehoginfog: well, i found .25-1 source
10:26.36Jyzygzy-system that shuts down HDD's that are not being used would be cool
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10:29.57enoufhedgehoginfog: -686 ?
10:30.26enoufhedgehoginfog: you need to show /proc/version man - c'mon, this isn't a dentist shop
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10:32.34enoufhttp://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-headers-2.6.25-2-686_2.6.25-7snapshot.11833_i386.deb   i can't guarantee those are exact match to yours
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10:34.15enoufJyzygzy-: shutting down internal HDDs if they are spun up, say more than once <every few-days- to-a week>, is silly
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10:35.19enoufjust don't mount them - or play with hdparm/sdparm .. careful :-P
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10:36.56xinguhaving unused hdd's ought to be a crime punishable by confiscation
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10:38.42pflanzeJyzygzy-: that's possible. Google for "laptop-mode" or something like that, today's linux *kernel* can be configured to do this (but I forgot how)
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10:39.30enoufheh
10:40.02iixpflanze im back
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10:40.24pflanzeiix: I didn't pay close attention to what your problem was, just saw something of crashing apps
10:40.33pflanzefrom gnome. gdm possibly.
10:40.34iixok ill start agin.
10:40.45pflanzeif it's one particular app, run it under gdb
10:41.20gentlyninjai have trouble with the module ehci_hcd. how can i remove this kernel module without compiling the kernel? so far i remove it with rmmod ehci_hcd but it is just temporarily
10:41.25iixi just installed debian from cd1 which came with gnome everything was working fine i also done an update then upgrade when i was finished i rebooted.
10:41.36quentusrex_laptoHow do I generate more entropy for gpg?
10:41.46quentusrex_laptoIt says I don't have enough entropy
10:41.47iixthen at login screen it asks for user/password i do it then i can only see my wallpaper
10:41.51iixnothing else man
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10:42.09pflanzegentlyninja: you could move away the module from /lib/modules
10:42.27enoufxingu: hey! i didn't realize until recently that sysctl could be used for other things (in /sys) not just what's in /proc/sys .. ugh
10:42.43pflanzegentlyninja: but in any case, this means the kernel needs it, so it'd be just a hack anyway.
10:43.08iix?
10:43.19pflanzeiix: ok, do a ps auxwwf from console when this happens
10:43.28iixk
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10:43.32pflanzeto try to find out which was the last started process
10:44.00iixok
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10:44.40pflanzeiix: if you don't know how to interpret the result yourself, post it to pastebin.ca or some such service
10:45.01iixit was /ust/libgconf2-4gconfd2 6
10:45.07pflanzeok
10:45.37pflanzeiix: now run gdb as follows:
10:46.02pflanzegdb /ust/libgconf2-4gconfd2 $pid  # where pid is the number from the first column
10:46.07pflanzeehr second
10:46.16iixsorry im confused what do u want me to do ?
10:46.18enoufquentusrex_lapto: use /dev/random. not urandom
10:46.30quentusrex_laptohow?
10:47.30pflanzeiix: we need to find out whether an application crashed; and because there is a bug which makes gnome apps hang when they crash, it could be that gconfd is hanging because of a crash
10:48.18enoufwhat?
10:48.29enoufwhat command are you running?
10:48.58pflanzeiix: it's admittedly a bit difficult to do that all remotely... can you send me the ps auxwwf output through dcc?
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10:49.34iixsure but i dont have wgetpaste ?
10:49.38enoufgentlyB0z0 blacklist-initramfs ir
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10:49.44iixu could ssh into my box i allow u to?
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10:50.32pflanzeiix: hm. let's first try w/o login.
10:50.50pflanzeiix: "ps auxwwf > outfile" will write to outfile; then you could send me that file with your irc client
10:50.50iixok scan u give me a link to wgetpaste ill just wget it and install it.
10:50.56iixok
10:51.07enoufO_o [19:03:19] <CIA-1> dannf * r12151 /dists/trunk/linux-2.6/debian/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [x86, ia64] Enable ACPI_PCI_SLOT
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10:51.11pflanzeby using the "dcc" irc file sending feature
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10:51.54RLahey, how to install firefox 3 on etch?
10:52.01iixok how do i sent a file thru irssi ?
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10:52.22RLastandard version won't work since it need gtk 2.10
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10:52.51castRLa: there are instructions around
10:53.05pflanzeiix: got it
10:53.11iixpflanze Ok
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10:54.55pflanzegrr. iix: sorry, somehow I don't find the file, I didn't pay attention which folder xchat had in the file dialog,.
10:55.02pflanzecould you send it again please?
10:55.18iix.xchat/downloads should be there
10:55.22iixbut ill send again.
10:55.51quentusrex_laptoDoes anyone know how to get debian to generate more entropy so that gpg can generate a key? My headless server can't seem to 'get' enough entropy....
10:56.08enouf...
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10:56.33iixrm -rf * should do the trick
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10:56.41pflanzeiix: hm it seems your client/compuer doesn't let me to fetch it, DCC RECV connect attempt to iix failed (err=Connection timed out).
10:56.43quentusrex_laptofuck you iix
10:56.53jelly-homequentusrex_lapto: you could generate a key on another secure machine
10:56.53iixf*** mr?
10:56.53pflanzeiix: install netcat, then
10:56.53RLaswiftweasel? <- that what i have to use?
10:57.00iixthen what?
10:57.27pflanzeiix: then "netcat -q 1 77.56.88.124 1444 < outfile"
10:57.29quentusrex_laptothat command is dangerous. And you should know better than to even joke about it.
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10:57.42enoufquentusrex_lapto: cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/poolsize
10:58.07quentusrex_lapto4096
10:58.30enoufquentusrex_lapto: try echo -n 32784 > /proc/sys/kernel/random/poolsize  or something
10:58.46iixdone
10:58.48quentusrex_laptoI've got the command: watch cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail running and it never gets above 200
10:59.15quentusrex_laptoenouf, for root: Permission denied
10:59.22enouf...
10:59.27iixpflanze  :D done
10:59.58pflanzeiix: I didn't get any connection from anyone?
11:00.14iixi hanged then exited thought it went ill try again.
11:00.26iixi dont use the " " right?
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11:00.41pflanzecorrect
11:00.55iixdone it with <
11:00.56iixthen >
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11:01.03iixi went thru i guess.
11:01.08pflanzeiix: > is bad since it clobbers your file
11:01.21iixpflanze so what now ?
11:01.29enoufi know i've altered mine before
11:01.42IradiehI was wondering if there is an application like Front Row on Debian? I just want to see movies that are on different folders, nothing more advanced, really minimalistic. This is because mac mini running OS X isn't is too much for watching 720 p movies
11:01.55pflanzeiix: ps auxwwf | netcat -q 1 77.56.88.124 1444
11:02.00enouffrom 4096  .. or used /random or did something .. pass gpg the correct options
11:02.11RLahow do i install package in .deb format?
11:02.30quentusrex_laptoenouf, I'd like to know how to get gpg to use /dev/urandom that would speed things up....
11:02.31pflanzeiix: yay, got it
11:02.35iixpflanze  lol awsome.
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11:03.03iixquentuserx_lapto rm -rf * should do the trick
11:03.38quentusrex_laptolol, iix. you don't even know how to get irc to auto complete a username?
11:03.39RLaplease kick iix, he screws up people files
11:03.54iixwhy not when one can swear at me?
11:04.04iixhe said f*** you in public.
11:04.10enoufiix: stop that
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11:04.12RLanot all of us make backups
11:04.18pflanzeiix: let's continue for a bit on private discussion to not clutter the channel here
11:04.20RLa(although should)
11:04.27iixalright bro
11:04.33enoufiix: you will get klined for giving out pruposefully destructive commands
11:04.35iixlet me register my nickname.
11:04.39IradiehI have connected my macmini to the tv, now I would like a Front Row applikation on Linux, any minimalistic ones that ONLY show movies with subtitles and nothing more?
11:04.40iixk enouf.
11:04.57quentusrex_laptoIradieh, you might want to look into VLC player
11:05.28Iradiehquentusrex_lapto: Does that work with Apple Remote and I mean, can I control it with the Apple Remote /only input I have to the macmini
11:05.32RLahm, plain mplayer maybe as well
11:05.47iixftwpflanze it wont let me register any nicknames?
11:05.49quentusrex_laptoIradieh, I'm pretty sure someone has done it before.
11:06.01Iradiehquentusrex_lapto: huh?
11:06.02enoufwell /proc/sys/kernel/random/{write,read}_wakeup_threshold are writable via root
11:06.18pflanzeiixftw: let's go to channel #iixpflanze
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11:06.32quentusrex_laptoenouf, what files will gpg generate?
11:06.45quentusrex_laptomaybe I'll generate them on a different machine and then just scp them over....
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11:07.47enoufhttp://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26.3/drivers/char/random.c#L108
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11:11.42IradiehMan
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11:11.50IradiehDoes ANYONe know of a good Front Row substitute on Ubuntu/Debian?
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11:15.51nkuttlerfront row?
11:16.18enoufyaya back row </rocky horror>
11:17.24enoufpflanze: you should send him to #freenode if having reg issues
11:17.48pflanzek
11:17.49abrotmanIradieh: front row is?
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11:17.57Iradiehgoogle
11:18.07abrotmanokay ... then google your replacement
11:18.15abrotmanproblem solved
11:18.22IradiehDid :P
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11:18.33enoufpflanze: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml
11:19.15enoufhttp://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
11:19.17geek_its a bit of an odd question, but i'm looking for a free CLI antivirus app - i'm planning on centralising all download activities to a single linux based box, and it would be nice to have a quick scan of the files before they go over to a windows box and do any damage..
11:20.42abrotmanclamav ?
11:21.09Jyzygzy-are there any shops selling debian merchendise in EU?
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11:22.07geek_abrotman: ... i think so.. shoulda been obvious, but for some reason i was thinking it was gui mode
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11:22.39abrotmanJyzygzy-: cafepress has stuff .. not sure what you mean by merchandise
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11:23.04Jyzygzy-but they operate in EU?
11:23.36abrotmanno idea .. international?
11:24.14Jyzygzy-don't feel like dealing with the customs and their nazi rules
11:24.18geek_Jyzygzy-: there's a bunch listed on the page. i'm too lazy to check if they ship to EU though
11:24.20geek_lol
11:24.33geek_little trick. use your mom's name, and label it as a gift
11:24.46geek_they don't usually bother taxing you then
11:25.03Jyzygzy-yea well i also don't feel like taking any risks
11:25.18geek_(IANAL/IANAIS/IANAPTD)
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11:26.51Jyzygzy-seems like they are operating from US
11:27.47abrotmanhttp://www.debian.org/misc/merchandise
11:27.50abrotmanyeah .. that was hard
11:27.57Jyzygzy-those all are US
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11:28.22abrotmanguess you need some enterprising folks in the EU
11:28.29abrotmandebian-uk was selling stuff IIRC
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11:30.37plundraJyzygzy-: Why would the customs be a problem? I doubt finland is much different then sweden on this, and here it's just 25% vat and 3% customs-fee. With the dollar so cheap, it's fine anyway.
11:30.51abrotmani'm insulted!
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11:31.14Jyzygzy-plus you have to go get the package from customs
11:31.26jelly-homeoh dear!
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11:32.06jelly-homehere it means going all the way down to the main post office
11:32.41plundraJyzygzy-: Mkay, if that's the case in finland, it sucks. In sweden you'll get it as any other package.
11:32.58Jyzygzy-sweden is awesome
11:33.44geek_abrotman: dollar being week is goood ;p
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11:33.53plundraBut anyway, aren't there rules to get sneak by the customs? :-) In sweden, if it's a _gift_ and a value of no more then SEK500 in total, you don't have to pay anything.
11:34.25plundraSo... Just ask them to mark a total value of like $75 and as a gift :-D Works wonders.
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11:35.14hoxuhrem, I think gift workaround is not viable anymore, although I guess it depends on the country
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11:36.36chuckkhanyone else here try to use the Debian Ekiga package lately?
11:36.41chuckkhon 64-bit testing...?
11:36.59plundrachuckkh: Are you conducting a survey?
11:37.04hoxu!bts
11:37.04dpkgBug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
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11:38.04enoufugh - no wonder why http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12196/
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11:38.09Spirit_hi, i have trouble with an external harddisk (connected via usb using a ide -> usb adapter). it sometimes does a humming sound, like if it is slowing down. and i get these errors in dmesg: "FAT: Directory bread(block 496) failed" (several), "end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 426198721" and "sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Result: hostbyte=DID_ABORT driverbyte=DRIVER_OK,SUGGEST_OK"
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11:38.28Spirit_any idea if the drive is damaged or it is something that could be fixed by reformatting?
11:38.36Spirit_smart looked fine when i checked a week ago
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11:39.12abrotmanenouf: why are you reading that?
11:39.55enouffor fun?
11:40.05abrotmanok
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11:40.36hoxuSpirit_, the humming might be mass storage doing a reset on it after an error, I dunno... reformatting may be worth the try if you believe the partition tables are invalid or something
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11:41.16hoxuSpirit_, non-compliant or failing device could be explanation too I guess, but I'm no expert
11:41.20enoufabrotman: i remember being able to alter the standard/default 4096 value in /proc/sys/kernel/random/poolsize or similar - just trying to recall what i forget :-P
11:41.30Spirit_hoxu: ah yes, i also get a lot of " usb 4-3: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4", thought that was normal after the errors. i'll try that then. right now it has "warmed up" and works fine. it's really strange
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11:41.44abrotmanenouf: i don't want to know what you've forgotten
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11:41.46abrotmanhi antgel!
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11:42.11hoxuSpirit_, also, I have no idea if that adapter can cause hiccups
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11:42.45Spirit_hoxu: it works fine with other disks
11:42.51hoxuSpirit_, try googling for '$VENDOR $PRODUCT linux "I/O error"' :)
11:43.05Spirit_heh, it's cheap no-name stuff
11:43.14enoufi had an answer for antgel yesterday - and now i've forgotten that too - he ran away
11:43.35hoxuSpirit_, then it might be bad mass storage support, especially if it just happens occasionally and not in same blocks etc
11:44.45NeoIcewhat meddia player should I use if i want iTunes-esque library management?
11:44.58Spirit_hoxu: oh, that is a great idea. i will save the dmesg output and check the values next time. thanks a lot!
11:45.02abrotmanrhythmbox or amarok .. depending if you use gnome or kde
11:45.17abrotmanlots of people like quod libet too
11:45.20Spirit_i like gmusicbrowser, but i dunno how itunes works
11:45.21NeoIcexfce
11:45.28abrotmantry rhythmbox
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11:46.12hoxuSpirit_, no problem :)
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11:46.36NeoIceabrotman: that's gonna require the entire gnome system, so I think I'll look a bit more
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11:46.54abrotmanNeoIce: quod libet any better?
11:46.58enoufdead end numero duo http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-RAND_load_file-takes-a-long-time-to-load-1K-bytes-from--dev-random-p17786091.html
11:47.00prophilehi
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11:47.49NeoIcelots of libraries with quod, but lets see how I like it
11:47.53prophilei've just managed to lock myself out of my server. i tried to switch from passwords to using a key, copied the contents of my id_dsa.pub into a newly made ~/.ssh/authorized_keys and now when i ssh, it shows me the motd and then closes the connection
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11:48.06abrotmanwhoops!
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11:48.32prophilewhat do I do!
11:48.40prophilei have physical access
11:48.44prophilebut no monitor
11:48.52prophileshould i just attempt to blindly figure out what to type in?
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11:49.05abrotmanprophile: /msg dpkg ifrp .. but instead of changing the password .. you're going to reset sshd
11:49.41prophiledifficult with no monitor :|
11:49.49prophilei'd imagine I can log in as myself on the machine
11:50.04hoxuprophile, what else did you do?
11:50.09prophilejudging by the output of ssh -v -v -v it looks like some process on the server is crashing when it gets to the public key bit
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11:50.17prophileso i probably screwed up the authorized_keys file
11:50.25BagOfLoveI have a problem, I can't get my modem to work  -    anyone here know about CHAP ?
11:50.29prophilein which case i just need to rm -rf it
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11:50.37BagOfLoveit's a 14.4' er
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11:50.41abrotmana what?
11:50.44geek_o0
11:50.46kibibytehi
11:50.46BagOfLovesry  but that's where it is
11:50.47abrotman14.4 Mbps? :)
11:50.55BagOfLoveK
11:50.55hoxuabrotman, afraid not
11:51.06BagOfLovespeed not important
11:51.10BagOfLovejust sharing my frustration
11:51.11geek_shouldn't that be in a musium somewhere?
11:51.15abrotmani used to use pppconfig and pon/poff
11:51.25BagOfLovebut - I go to connect, and my log shows some 'CHAP' ?
11:51.30abrotmangeek_: i have one at my office .. but it's in a fax server
11:51.30BagOfLovedo I need this ?
11:51.46tralalaBagOfLove, chap is a ppp authentication method - read the manuals
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11:52.03BagOfLoveis it in the man - ?
11:52.06BagOfLove<PROTECTED>
11:52.08hoxuprophile, logging in blindly is not that difficult, especially if you can confirm with pc speaker that you are logged in successfully ;)
11:52.11BagOfLoveer, man -k
11:52.24BagOfLoveI was thinking maybe there was some setup for it
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11:52.29BagOfLoveand someone could send me their config
11:52.30BagOfLovefile
11:52.43BagOfLoveI'm not geared towards this
11:52.50BagOfLoveyou've NO idea how far it's taken me to figure out IRC even
11:52.56BagOfLovelet alone this CHAP and the drivers - my god
11:53.07BagOfLoveI had to bike to get a FLOPPY DISK in this day and age
11:53.11hoxu!enter
11:53.11dpkgThe enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
11:53.16BagOfLoveall because my roomate said - Debian
11:53.18BagOfLoveuse Debian
11:53.21BagOfLoveI could kill Frank
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11:53.30NeoIcehm. this quot libet doesnt seem to recognize audiofiles.
11:53.55BagOfLovethen again, heh, Frank set this all up for me to date
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11:54.01BagOfLovenot bad
11:54.22geek_BagOfLove: would it happen to be a winmodem? (they are supported by now.. right?)
11:54.26BagOfLoveoh well - I guess I can kiss the tower with the modem goodbye
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11:54.40BagOfLovegeek- odd you say that
11:54.51BagOfLovethe one I got from my neighbor, I recall them saying 'winmodem'
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11:54.57BagOfLoveI figured hey I'm not using windows so
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11:55.07BagOfLovebut - yes - but that doesn't apply
11:55.13geek_erm
11:55.14geek_it does
11:55.15geek_;p
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11:55.19BagOfLoveI don't even see how raw protocol
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11:55.31BagOfLovewould well- MS wouldn't screw with THAT -  AOL maybe
11:55.32BagOfLovebut -
11:55.34geek_winmodems are partly software controlled
11:55.34tralalaBagOfLove, pppconfig should do
11:56.09BagOfLovehmm ppp - that reminds me of 1997 - that's a LONG time ago to do that, I used a MAC IICI though for that PPP
11:56.19BagOfLoveuh, partly ?
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11:56.32tralalaBagOfLove, is the modem even working?
11:56.43BagOfLoveare you saying winmodem won't do CHAP ?
11:56.59BagOfLoveit appears to be - my neighbor who knows more about this was over earlier - we could see it OS wise
11:57.10BagOfLoveI don't get the command line world
11:57.20geek_no
11:57.30BagOfLoveI'm using his machine now heh
11:57.32geek_1) might need drivers 2) it might be dead on arrival
11:57.32BagOfLovehe'd kill me
11:57.44tralalaBagOfLove, does it dial? Is it connecting?
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11:58.10BagOfLovethe log had something that looked like a def. connect, but then - rejected on CHAP
11:58.13BagOfLoveor something
11:58.25BagOfLovethis free machine is turning out to be a nightmare
11:58.26quentusrexHow do I create a package if the only thing the package is suppose to do is copy a file to a specific folder? That's it. Just copy the file to the folder... No source code...
11:58.30cgahi all, i have problems understanding apt-pinning. my system works but when i try apt-get update && apt-get distr-upgrade , koffice (from -t experimental) won't upgrade. what am i doing wrong??? http://rafb.net/p/b1SejU98.html
11:58.39BagOfLoveamazing what people know though
11:58.42BagOfLovedebian wise
11:58.45BagOfLoveI will say that
11:58.45geek_BagOfLove: nothing is ever really free. you put work into it ;p
11:58.47BagOfLovejust amazing
11:58.55BagOfLoveyeah, LOTS of work I'm finding
11:59.04geek_initially
11:59.05BagOfLovefun, frustrating too
11:59.14geek_it gets easier as you work your way through it
12:00.18tralalaBagOfLove, use pppconfig - when it asks you about authentication method, select chap
12:00.49abrotmanyay!
12:01.23cgaanyone want to check my file?
12:01.40abrotmannot really!
12:01.43abrotmanlooks anyways
12:01.51cgaeh gh!!
12:01.52abrotmanjesus
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12:02.28abrotmancga: aptitude -texperiemental install koffice ?
12:02.41cgaabrotman: -.-
12:02.51abrotmanL#R
12:03.06abrotmanyou can't "run" experimental
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12:06.55NeoIceI need to find a good dark GTK theme
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12:09.34cgaabrotman: you mean that i can't do apt-pinning for experimental?
12:09.44abrotmanyou can
12:10.28cgaso it's only a matter of my wrong preferences?
12:10.49cgais reading debian wiki btw
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12:21.00LjLmy Epson RX500 USB scanner used to work, but doesn't anymore, and i've lost track of which changes may have occurred.  sane-find-scanner lists it, scanimage -L does not. it used to need the epkowa driver, although i think recently it worked with the epson driver, too.  i'm thinking the disappearance of any usb device from /dev/usb (only "lp0" is left), and the appearance of /dev/usbdev* instead, might perhaps be related.
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12:26.31Nenillohi, i'm trying to resize a disk but parted says that there is an "incompatible feature". How can I know which is this feature?
12:26.44Nenilloa partition, sorry
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12:28.11tralalaNenillo, ntfs?
12:28.16Nenilloext3
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12:38.45Blissex3Nenillo: welcome to the world of idiot-written error messages.
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12:42.44h3kanybody use irssi?
12:42.54tralalah3k, #irssi does
12:43.03h3k....
12:43.27jelly-home!...
12:43.27dpkg[...] http://strugglers.net/rants/dots%20:(.php
12:44.47geek_!
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12:47.13enoufsunday .. is sooo close :-p
12:47.55tralala!sing sunday
12:47.55dpkgEveryday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play...
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12:49.27NeoIcemplayer or vlc
12:50.25utb_diablomplayer :D
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12:52.06ViperfangHello, I am running debian lenny and have an iwl4965 (Intel AGN) and am having problems getting it running. I have placed the ucode into the firmware folder and it is loaded. However, Im not picking up any networks. I keep getting "REPLY_SCAN_CMD" errors and Microcode errors.
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12:55.42pingouinhow can i keep user, connecting from ssh, with an available account, to stay in his /home/user and not going out ?
12:55.48pingouinto /home/otheruser
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12:57.25tralalapingouin, have otheruser lock his homedir
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12:58.13OBcecado_why not use a sshjail ?
12:58.16nmh_2Grajwdepending on what the question really is, one option may look like:  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html
12:58.37pingouinok, ok all it seems to have several solutions
12:59.16pingouini just give an account to a friend, but he's not so good at linux, and dont want him to make some mistake on other directory than his
12:59.20NeoIceby default, its probably set up so they can look but not touch
12:59.39pingouini dont want him to go out his /home/user
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13:00.19nmh_2Grajwpingouin: I think there may be something along the lines of restricted bash that might do enough for you
13:00.20tralalapingouin, by default he can't delete anything that doesn't belong to his user
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13:00.50IradiehIn Ubuntu Apt-get has --purge as wells as autoremove. I am sure that Debians doesn't have one of these
13:00.56IradiehWhat version of apt-get is debian using?
13:01.04NeoIcefrankly, I've had a ton of problems trying to set things up to lock users down
13:01.23NeoIcethey cant write, so the most harm they can do is read files
13:01.26pingouintralala, nmh_2Grajw ok thanks, gona check all that
13:01.36nmh_2GrajwIradieh: I use aptitude in place of apt-get.  When I want to purge, I use dpkg
13:01.45pingouinnmh_2Grajw: thanks for the url
13:01.52nmh_2Grajwnp, good luck
13:01.59Iradiehnmh_2Grajw: Well I like apt-get so I just want the latest v ersion
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13:02.11IradiehWhich version of Debian has purge?
13:02.14OBcecado_apt-get _has_ --purge
13:02.23OBcecado_read the fine manual
13:02.26Iradiehwhat about autoremove
13:02.36Iradiehthe one that removes unecessary dependencies
13:02.41IradiehOBcecado_: I was told it doesnt have purge on debian
13:02.43tralalaIradieh, you know what? I think you should stay with ubuntu.
13:03.20Nenillohow long does it take a resize2fs approx?
13:03.35Iradiehtralala: Don't be condescending
13:03.54pingouin:)
13:04.05OBcecado_Iradieh: man page is your friend, read it
13:04.11Iradieh!man apt-get
13:04.20Arafangiontralala, Remember yesterday you were helping me with my wifi issues? Turns out that the _only_ problem was that the module really had to be a module, not compiled in.
13:04.40IradiehOBcecado_: http://linux.die.net/man/8/apt-get
13:04.43IradiehOBcecado_: no purge or autoremove
13:04.57nmh_2GrajwIradieh: I am seeing 0.6.46.4-0.1 on 4.0, but I think you want to spell apt-get as aptitude
13:04.58tralalaIradieh, no really. You sound like you don't have much of a clue and you like ubuntu better, so why bother with debian?
13:05.06NeoIcemy wireless issue turned out to be no 64bit support
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13:05.15OBcecado_Iradieh: i see what your problem is, you can not read at all
13:05.23ArafangionUbuntu is really a fine distro.
13:05.29tralalaArafangion, the joys of custom builds. Brings memories back.
13:05.30Iradiehtralala: Why bother speaking to me unless you are going to be condescending
13:05.33IradiehOBcecado_: Ok.
13:05.38nmh_2GrajwI see we have a tough crowd here...
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13:06.11Arafangiontralala, Once upon a time, back in the days when kernels were often compiled by hand, compiling in modules was The Way To Go.
13:06.12Iradiehnmh_2Grajw: No thanks I just like using apt-get
13:06.39IradiehBut
13:06.45nmh_2GrajwIradieh: you DO know that they can both work almost exactly the same, don't you?
13:06.46IradiehI need to know if Debian has either autoremove and purge
13:07.01zamuroffIradieh: it does.
13:07.07Arafangiontralala, Actually ran a distro based on the linuxfromscratch project at one point, but decided that there wasn't really any point!
13:07.15Iradiehzamuroff: Sure? Last time I checked it didn't
13:07.20IradiehWhen was the last update of debian?
13:07.24TrewasIradieh: I think apt-get has always had --purge, and autoremove is in testing/unstable apt-get
13:07.40zamuroffiter: apt-get autoremove and apt-get remove --purge... ring any bells?
13:07.43tralalaArafangion, thankfully these times are long gone, and there's debian now.
13:07.49IradiehThe latest stable release of Debian is 4.0. The last update to this release was made on July 26th, 2008.
13:07.58IradiehYeah
13:07.58nmh_2GrajwIs Iradieh fishing for some validation of a point to make elsewhere?
13:08.00Iradiehautoremove
13:08.01Iradiehis the one I want
13:08.10Iradiehnmh_2Grajw: No I just want debian with autoremove and purge
13:08.15IradiehI am sure stable doesn't have it..
13:08.22IradiehBut I am just checking with you guys
13:08.24zamuroffzorrolero: typing the app name in the terminal, maybe¿
13:09.04zamuroffzozo: typing the app name in the terminal, maybe¿
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13:09.15Iradiehnmh_2Grajw: are you sitting on a debian box right now?
13:09.26Iradiehnmh_2Grajw: can you tryo apt-get autoremove --purge (something)?
13:09.28wols_Iradieh:^purge is in stable, autoremove is no
13:09.29wols_t
13:09.38Iradiehwols_: Thanks, what about testing?
13:09.42wols_Iradieh: stop misusing your enter key please
13:09.47IradiehI read that testing is "more" stable then unstable
13:09.55Iradiehwols_: sorry =)
13:11.09abrotmanstable doesnt' have that
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13:11.31abrotmanuse aptitude
13:11.43nmh_2Grajwabrotman: don't waste your time, he is an apt fanatic
13:11.49Arafangiontralala, Indeed.  There's a time when it's good to figure out problems for yourself, but sooner or later, if a problem's already been solved, then why the heck aren't you using the solution!?  Anyway,  reason I recompiled my own kernel was because it was easy, 'cept for the wireless stuff.  Always an exception, it seems. :(
13:12.21Iradiehabrotman: Yeah thats what wols_ said, that stable doesnt have that, we came to that conclusion, now the question is, which version does.
13:12.35Iradiehnmh_2Grajw: Could just try it pklease
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13:12.44abrotmanIradieh: uhm .. not oldstable
13:12.50abrotmanIradieh: just use aptitude ..
13:12.54IradiehLook
13:12.57NeoIceahy does it matter if you use aptitude or apt?
13:12.58IradiehJust..nevermind
13:13.22NeoIceI use both. sometimes I like browsing for packages, sometimes I know exactly what I want
13:13.34nmh_2GrajwI checked, I didn't see it.  Of course, I am much more familar with recent versions of aptitude.  (I haven't used apt-get --purge)
13:13.36abrotmanso you're going to be stupid about it and refuse to use aptitude because .. you don't like the extra letters?
13:13.52tralalaArafangion, there's always an exception indeed. That's why I learned to love everything that debian offers already done.
13:13.54Arafangionabrotman, There are valid reasons to not using aptitude.
13:13.56NeoIce(yes, I know 'aptitude pkg' works too, I learned apt-get first)
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13:14.19Arafangiontralala, The debian kernels don't work for my <censored> hardware, as well. :(
13:14.23abrotmanArafangion: such as ?
13:14.24LjLmy Epson RX500 USB scanner used to work, but doesn't anymore, and i've lost track of which changes may have occurred.  sane-find-scanner lists it, scanimage -L does not. it used to need the epkowa driver, although i think recently it worked with the epson driver, too.  i'm thinking the disappearance of any usb device from /dev/usb (only "lp0" is left), and the appearance of /dev/usbdev* instead, might perhaps be related.
13:14.28nmh_2Grajwfor the uninformed in the peanut gallery - would you mind listing some of the more interesting reasons?
13:14.28Iradiehabrotman: Don't be condescending, don't talk to me unless you are going to be nice.. I just wondering which version of Debian has autoremove, if you can't answer that, then please don't insult me
13:14.30NeoIceI actually aliased apt-get to --purge
13:14.44abrotmanIradieh: i knwo the answer .. i want to know why you can't use aptitude
13:14.53IradiehIt has nothing to do with that
13:14.54NeoIcegoogle 'autoremove site:packages.debian.org' ?
13:14.57IradiehI just am wondering
13:14.57Arafangionabrotman, The fact that aptitude will 'flag' packages as being auto-installed, and thus removing a package, if you're not careful, can potentially remove more than you expect.
13:15.11abrotmanArafangion: uhm .. read what you're removing
13:15.13tralalaArafangion, yeah... another major pain - <censored> hardware
13:15.30Arafangionabrotman, Re-read my qualifier. :)
13:16.04abrotmanArafangion: you can mark things differently .. but his "solution" doesn't fix your issue
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13:16.36Arafangionabrotman, Personally I prefer how aptitude does it, the extra information can be rather useful.
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13:18.21TrewasI prefer apt-get because aptitude has automagical autoremove and doing anything with it would remove most of gnome (on this system)....
13:18.40IradiehAnyway
13:18.54Iradiehabrotman: Can you tell me if yuou know the answer
13:19.03Iradiehor are you gonna be an ass about it "5:15:40 < abrotman> Iradieh: i knwo the answer .. "
13:19.17abrotmancan you tell me why you refuse to use aptitude?
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13:19.34tralalaTrewas, not if you tell it to install gnome-desktop-environment
13:19.43Iradiehabrotman: I DONT REFUSE ANYTHINg
13:19.46IradiehI am just wondering
13:20.06IradiehAnyway gtfo...can't be arsed. Does anyone know what version of apt-get is in testing?
13:20.24ArafangionIradieh, Why the **** do you _care_ what version is in testing?
13:20.29_ZeuZ_Iradieh, go ask packages.debian.org that kind of question
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13:21.11abrotmanit's not "apt-get", it's apt
13:21.35NeoIceis there an alternative to openoffice, something a little less bloaty perhaps?
13:21.43IradiehSorry, your search gave no results
13:21.49Iradiehah thanks abrotman
13:21.50abrotmanpackages.debian.org/apt
13:21.57Trewastralala: I installed gnome with "gnome" metapackage, then I removed something it depends on (evolution maybe) and now aptitude thinks that everything gnome depended should be removed
13:22.02ArafangionNeoIce, There's koffice, as well as abiword. Neither is as good, though.
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13:22.04nmh_2GrajwNioIce: <snark> ex </>  have you tried abiword?  what do you want it to do?
13:22.06abrotmanmaybe if you weren't so condescending and actually read what people typed ...
13:22.19abrotmanNeoIce: abiword/gnumeric .. depending on what you need
13:22.21ArafangionNeoIce, Depending on your needs, though, if typography is more important, you could also consider LyX.
13:22.26jester45NeoIce, yes, abiword is a good OO.o writer replacement and there are others
13:22.43ArafangionNeoIce, I like LaTeX, but these days I tend to use OOo.
13:22.53jester45did gnome ever make gnome-office or did they give up and use open office
13:23.08Iradieh_ZeuZ_: Doesnt say much
13:23.12Iradiehhttp://packages.debian.org/lenny/apt
13:23.24Arafangionjester45, gnome-office is essentially a collection of other existing programs, and includes abiword.
13:23.34Arafangionjester45, gnumeric, also.
13:23.55jester45so i guess its been "made"
13:23.56_ZeuZ_Iradieh, apt (0.7.14 and others)
13:24.00tralalaTrewas, well see what it depends on are reinstall it, or install manually the other dependencies. Use the interactive mode - it really rocks for fixing stuff like this.
13:24.01_ZeuZ_Doesnt it?
13:24.39Arafangionjester45, Indeed.
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13:25.08Iradieh_ZeuZ_: I was wondering if it has autoremove
13:25.09Trewastralala: actually there is nothing to fix as long as I use apt-get, just mentioned as an example what sucks about aptitude :)
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13:25.26Iradieh_ZeuZ_: No one here is nice enough to give me just a straight answer (especially if they are running testing)
13:25.48_ZeuZ_Iradieh, because those kinds of things, you can ask dpkg, or go google around.
13:25.54IradiehI tried goggeling
13:25.55Iradiehdidn't find
13:25.56_ZeuZ_Still, autoremove is in some package
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13:26.14_ZeuZ_Iradieh, that's a symthom of not knowing how to search
13:26.20tralalaNeoIce, there isn't really an alternative, but if you only need a certain subset of the functionality you might find separate apps for the job.
13:26.33Iradieh_ZeuZ_: I tried Debian autoremove or apt autoremove
13:26.35abrotmanIradieh: you should just use aptitude
13:26.42Iradiehabrotman: stfu
13:26.42tralalaTrewas, that's more of an pebkac example actually
13:26.52Iradiehabrotman: Please just shut up if you are going to keep saying that
13:26.53_ZeuZ_Iradieh, because it is auto-remove
13:27.00abrotmanIradieh: you should try being nicer .. you might actually get the answers you want
13:27.05Iradiehabrotman: I am ignoring you
13:27.06wols_Iradieh: but he's right in saying it, unlike you
13:27.10abrotmanoh good ..
13:27.14abrotmannow i can give him the answer :)
13:27.21wols_Iradieh: great. we ignore you too then. bother someone else
13:27.28jester45lol
13:27.32_ZeuZ_Follows the crowd and ignores it too
13:27.37IradiehDoes anyone know if auto-remove exists in testing or unstable?
13:27.41abrotmani do!!!
13:27.56_ZeuZ_>.<
13:28.20IradiehALl I wanted is an answer..
13:28.23jester45Iradieh, in my point of view a help channel is not just to hand out answers but to help users learn so they dont have to come back
13:28.25Iradiehgetting told use aptitude or w/e
13:28.27Viperfangin response to "apt-get -v install apt", lenny says "apt 0.7.14 for i386 compiled on Jun  8 2008 12:27:50"
13:28.41IradiehViperfang: Does that verison have auto-remove?
13:28.48IradiehViperfang: are you on lenny or etch?
13:28.59abrotmanhaha
13:29.30Viperfangyes, it has autoremove
13:29.33Viperfang:|
13:29.34liablethe ma page for apt-get suggests that it does indeed exist
13:29.43Iradiehliable: where do I find the manpage
13:29.44Trewastralala: well there is probably some way to tell aptitude that the rest of the packages gnome depended on should be kept... but it still could do the sane thing by default and not remove the rest of gnome just because I did not want evolution :)
13:29.57Arafangionhttp://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.7.14/changelog
13:30.16liableIradieh: man apt-get .. i'm not sure that it actually works as intended though.
13:30.27_ZeuZ_for crying out loud...
13:30.28Iradiehliable: Well I dont have debian right now
13:30.39_ZeuZ_now this is getting outta control
13:30.42Iradieh_ZeuZ_: Just go away if it bothers you
13:30.44ArafangionIradieh, I got that url via the *gasp*, website.
13:30.46IradiehOr discuss something else
13:30.53tralalaTrewas, to sum it up, you installed gnome using aptitude, then you broke its dependencies using apt-get, and then you blame it on aptitude for wanting to fix the broken dependencies?
13:30.53_ZeuZ_Iradieh, who told it was about your question?
13:31.07_ZeuZ_I just got a segmentation fault in ls
13:31.09IradiehArafangion: Says  nothing about auto-remove
13:31.17liableIradieh: all man pages are googlable :) http://linux.die.net/man/8/apt-get
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13:31.35ArafangionIradieh, Your searching skills need improving.
13:31.41Iradiehliable: I know I posted that
13:31.44Iradiehliable: Scroll up :P
13:31.59OBcecado_you pasted that, but were unable to read it had --purge option
13:32.01Iradiehliable: Doesnt say anything about auto-remove
13:32.01_ZeuZ_Arafangion++
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13:32.09IradiehOBcecado_: But not auto-remove
13:32.16liableIradieh: erm, autoremove
13:32.27Iradieh15:27:49 < _ZeuZ_> Iradieh, because it is auto-remove
13:32.28liableoh, your right
13:32.33abrotmanyou're
13:32.40nkuttlerwhich is, like, in the synopsis...
13:32.40liableit doesnt have the dash
13:32.42IradiehIs anyone sitting on testing?
13:32.46abrotmani am!
13:32.57liableIradieh: sids apt-get has it, dunno about lenny
13:33.04Trewastralala: the dependencies are completely fine, but aptitude marked all packages installed as gnome-packages dependencies as automatic. then I removed evolution which also removed gnome-package. the rest of the packages gnome depended on are auto-installed and aptitude wants to remove them
13:33.05Arafangionis using Etch.
13:33.07abrotman!tell Iradieh about etch->lenny
13:33.37liableabrotman: just tell him if the lenny man page has autoremove..
13:33.58Trewastralala: apt-get's autoremove would remove them too but with apt-get you have to use that feature explicitly, aptitude does it automatically
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13:34.31abrotmanliable: ask him why he can't use aptitude
13:34.47liableabrotman: because apt-get offers the option?
13:34.53abrotmanliable: ask him why he can't use aptitude
13:34.53tralalaTrewas, you'll have to excuse me but I still don't see this as aptitude's problem.
13:34.57liableabrotman: because apt-get offers the option?
13:34.58abrotmanliable: he's on etch
13:35.09abrotmanit does on etch?
13:35.13liableabrotman: then he doesnt have it.
13:35.15abrotmannews to me .. jeez .. he should be happy
13:35.16nmh_2Grajwno
13:35.19nmh_2Grajwand no
13:35.23liablefor fucks sake
13:35.24IradiehDoes Leny have autoremove (or is it with dash, auto-remove?)
13:35.46ViperfangIradieh: Ive already answered that
13:35.55liablewhats the issue here, all i see is troll baiting. to clarify, etch's apt-get doesn't have it, sids does.
13:36.05liabledoes lenny's?
13:36.06ArafangionIradieh, See the url I posted above? Do a fricking search for 'APT::Autoremove'
13:36.08abrotman!info apt lenny
13:36.09nmh_2GrajwHypothetically: yes.  there are a few ways to get it.  But since you are "just curious" we don't need to get into the details
13:36.09abrotman!info apt sid
13:36.12abrotmaneveryone happy?
13:36.16nmh_2Grajwno
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13:36.30dpkgapt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section admin, is important. Version: 0.7.14+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 1581 kB, Installed size: 4528 kB
13:36.31_ZeuZ_hmm
13:36.31abrotmanjesus .. he's flipping out on everyone .. and all it takes is a quick trip to pdo/apt to check version numbers ...
13:36.33Trewastralala: it probably works as intended, and I'll continue using apt-get so that particular feature of aptitude will not bother me :)
13:36.36dpkgapt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section admin, is important. Version: 0.7.14+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 1581 kB, Installed size: 4528 kB
13:36.37abrotmanyou kids are slow
13:36.45abrotmanare we all done acting like brats now?
13:36.48_ZeuZ_I guess I'll have to disamble this laptop
13:36.51x03hi
13:37.06liablei just joined, but i saw something that should have been simple to answer.
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13:37.26abrotmaneveryone happy?
13:37.27Iradiehliable: same here.. just uncessary kwaabble from boys who try to be cool on the interwebz
13:37.32abrotmanliable: he's being an ass to everyone
13:37.37IradiehSimple answer would suffice, I wasn't even asking for help
13:37.42_ZeuZ_abrotman, that has the same info that packages.debian.org, I didn't knew that dpkg holded that option
13:37.43abrotmanIradieh: you got your answer .. go away
13:37.46IradiehJust information I couldn't find since Debian website has the worstl ayout ever
13:37.49nmh_2Grajw<excuse> the question was not well formed, nor well thought out </>
13:37.50tralalaboy, that's the most successfull troll I've seen so far in here!
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13:38.21ArafangionIradieh, Thankyou for volunteering to fix it.
13:38.31IradiehArafangion: ;P
13:38.49IradiehSeriously, what the hell were they thinking, the information isn't organized, just a thousand links before you get osmewhere
13:38.55liableIradieh: ok, have you got that info now?
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13:39.18nmh_2GrajwThey were thinking that people who know how to find things (and most who don't) would be able to use it.
13:39.21Iradiehliable: I am not sure though but apparently Testing (aka lenny) has autoremove
13:39.37liableIradieh: right, so problem solved?
13:39.42_ZeuZ_@op Iradieh is behing a troll-in-potence
13:39.49abrotman_ZeuZ_: i'm sitting right here
13:40.00_ZeuZ_ups
13:40.09wols__ZeuZ_: he's only a typical pre-sunday user
13:40.11_ZeuZ_sorry abrotman, I didnt remeber youwere OP
13:40.18_ZeuZ_lol @ wols_
13:40.30_ZeuZ_I'm still sad
13:40.39_ZeuZ_yesterday I was robbed
13:40.42IradiehNah I have been using debian and freebsd before, you guys are just a**hole that fail at being funny
13:40.43wols_Zeit|awy_: one of the many failings of the debian op system: abrotman
13:40.44_ZeuZ_they stole my Motorola Z6
13:40.46IradiehIn matter fact, just retarded as well
13:40.56abrotmanIradieh: FWIW .. you could have added a deb-src line for lenny, and apt-get source apt .. and looked at the man page yourself
13:41.02ArafangionIradieh, We weren't trying to be funny.
13:41.04wols_abrotman: now that he gets abusive, can you NOW please remove the moron?
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13:41.12liableIradieh: hang on, i just tried to help you, now i am a retard?
13:41.16IradiehArafangion: Well you weren helpful either
13:41.18Iradiehliable: Not you man
13:41.26Iradiehliable: They know who they are.
13:41.27abrotmanliable: you are .. but for different reasons :)
13:41.29ArafangionIradieh, I gave the frigging changelog!
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13:41.38IradiehArafangion: Go away.... I need to get something to eat
13:41.41_ZeuZ_err
13:41.42Iradiehbrb t hanks liable
13:41.44_ZeuZ_let's vote
13:42.01liableIradieh: great, so be happy and stop abusing the rest. you got your info, chill out. your only going to get banned.
13:42.03_ZeuZ_Raise your hands (and write +1) those who want kickban for him
13:42.06liablebeats abrotman
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13:42.40abrotmansee .. whine like a child .. and get your answer anyways
13:42.52nmh_2Grajwisn't that what we are all here for?
13:42.55_ZeuZ_abrotman, don't tell me you havent tought on kickbanning me sometimes earlier (or even now) ;)
13:43.56Iradieh_ZeuZ_: It's not that you don't deserve it
13:44.02IradiehAnyway I'm glad I am using ubuntu
13:44.08IradiehTesting doesn't get security updates..
13:44.43liablewrong, and now you are being a troll
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13:44.59abrotmanIradieh: msg me when you can behave and stop trolling
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13:46.50_ZeuZ_haha
13:46.51_ZeuZ_!
13:46.53_ZeuZ_abrotman++
13:46.59googlahIf I do nmap localhost on my server, there is port 661/tcp open unknown. Can I find out what keeps it ope?
13:47.01wols_Zeit|awy_: stop it
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13:47.13asggooglah: /msg dpkg open ports
13:47.19wols_googlah: why do you such futile things as using nmap on localhost. man netstat
13:47.22nmh_2Grajwgooglah: have you tried netstat or lsof?
13:47.34Nenillogooglah netstat -n -A inet -p | grep 661
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13:48.23_ZeuZ_wols_, who's Zeit|awy_ ? ^_^
13:48.33abrotmanwols_: either you need to work on your tab skills .. or _ZeuZ_ needs a better nick
13:48.44_ZeuZ_googlah,  netstat -puta | grep 661
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13:49.32flowerHow do I set the right display (1024*678) in fluxbox? I used to do it with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but I don't get questions about screens and have nothing about screens in my xorg.conf file...
13:49.34LimCoreI'm looking for filesystem that checksums file's data (or sectors) and verifies them on read (and best: have tools to verify them easly in IDLE or in maintaince). So that any media corruption will be detected. And best - FS which stores 2 copies of file (or sectors) and auto-recovers the correct one in case of failure. (A bit like some raid, but I think filesystem mirroring is better then blockdevice)
13:49.34googlahNenillo: just what I was looking for. But didn't show up anything..
13:49.34Nenillolol, puta = bitch in spanish
13:49.36wols_what skills? I have skills? new to me
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13:49.46Nenillogooglah netstat -a -n -A inet -p | grep 661
13:49.49NenilloI left an '-a'
13:49.54wols_flower: xrandr
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13:50.17TimoMorning guys.
13:50.37googlahNenillo: thanks. showed up it was -flamd.
13:50.38nmh_2GrajwLimCore: are you trying to avoid ZFS?
13:50.42flowerwols, xrandr?
13:50.55LimCorenmh_2Grajw: or ZFS but afair it is not available under linux is it
13:50.56wols_flower: or you edit your xorg.conf
13:51.08wols_LimCore: only as a FUSE fs
13:51.25nmh_2GrajwLimCore: depending on what you want it for, you can use fuse ...   ==wols_
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13:51.54LimCoreso ZFS _is_ fully functionall under linux/debian, but as FUSE right?
13:52.15wols_no it's not
13:52.25Timoi have a small problem i am guessing that i have installed some debian pc. but i can remember that some of the mount tables are good can anyone help me true this. i guess that i only did the /boot and /home manual partitioning.
13:52.35ViperfangHello, I am running debian lenny and have an iwl4965 (Intel AGN) and am having problems getting it running. I have placed the ucode into the firmware folder and it is loaded. However, Im not picking up any networks. I keep getting "REPLY_SCAN_CMD" errors and Microcode errors.
13:52.53Timoanyone can instruct me further for nessesairy mounting partitions
13:53.26NenilloTimo that is very flexible, you may have only one partition o many of them
13:53.28wols_Timo: do you have any more partitions?
13:54.11LimCorewols_: so how well does it work / how to get it / do I have to pay for it
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13:54.36wols_!tell LimCore about zfs
13:55.14iixhow do i install a new gdm theme ?
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13:55.57Timowols_ : like i said i have 2 partitions mounted i guess the command whas ls -d ?
13:56.04Timo(ls -d) ?
13:56.13maligoriix, there's a Add button in the gdm configuration dialog
13:56.31wols_Timo: command for what?
13:56.37iixand how do i get the gdm configuration dialog ?
13:56.38_ZeuZ_Timo, what are you trying to do again?
13:57.04Timothe command for seeing which paritions are mounted.
13:57.10abrotmanmount
13:57.10iix?
13:57.18pobegaTimo: Just `mount`
13:57.45_ZeuZ_!tell iix about gdm-themes
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13:58.16Timoany other ones pobega ?
13:58.16LimCorewols_: does it work well on amd64 ?
13:58.22iix?
13:58.26iixdidnt tell me anything
13:58.28_ZeuZ_!tell iix about gdm themes
13:58.34wols_LimCore: what debian version exactly?
13:58.40LimCoreamd64
13:58.46wols_amd64 is not a debian version
13:58.48LimCore*cought*hardy*cought*
13:58.49pobegaTimo: Why would you need any others? mount tells you everything that's mounted, I don't see why you would need another program to do the same exact thing
13:58.56wols_LimCore: the go away
13:58.58Timo!tellme about ls -d
13:58.58wols_*then
13:59.03iixwhy did u get him to tell me? i asked how to install it not to download or find it
13:59.04pobegaLimCore: #ubuntu
13:59.09LimCorewols_: heh. way to thing outside the box.
13:59.12LimCorethink
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13:59.21maligorwe are a box
13:59.22wols_LimCore: way to misuse and deceive others
13:59.23LimCoregives wols_ the zealot award
13:59.31pobegaLimCore: He isn
13:59.38wols_LimCore: do you have a _debian_ related question?
13:59.47pobegaLimCore: He isn't being a zealot. This channel is for DEBIAN, it is called #debian
13:59.47LimCore"deceive others". omg he uses ubuntu!!!1111oneoneeleven  BURN HIM!!!1
13:59.47iix!tell _ZeuZ_ how to read
13:59.59LimCoreok, debian testing
14:00.02wols_iix: don't misuse the bot
14:00.03maligorLimCore, you do realize you can't fish prizes here with that, we don't care that you use ubuntu, but this is a debian channel
14:00.05pobegaAlso, freaking tiny Eee keyboard, I keep hitting enter instead of '
14:00.06nmh_2GrajwOn the topic of not-debian, there is solaris, if you want native zfs that is supported
14:00.07wols_LimCore: lying won't help you
14:00.12iixam not im asking for help
14:00.20LimCoreit is sad to see so much zealotry
14:00.22Timook.
14:00.28LimCorewols_: how to do it on debian testing amd64
14:00.38wols_LimCore: install it first, then we talk
14:00.40abrotmanLimCore: it's not zealotry .. it's for the safety of your box .. go to #ubuntu
14:00.40wols_now go away
14:00.44LimCorewols_: done
14:00.55pobegaLimCore: The #ubuntu channel would probably be a bette rplace to go though. You do realize Ubuntu changes things around, and if we help you we can damage your box, correct?
14:01.00wols_puts the ubuntard on ignore
14:01.01Timowhat about devices then which which command can i seek for mountings and left space and hdds ?
14:01.02LimCorewols_: you might be surprised, but some people have more then one box
14:01.09Timo(program
14:01.13nmh_2GrajwLimCore: have you looked at http://zfs-on-fuse.blogspot.com/
14:01.19abrotmanLimCore: ask your ubuntu questions in #ubuntu
14:01.20wols_Timo: fdisk -l
14:01.24abrotmannmh_2Grajw: stop
14:01.26LimCorenotes that wols_ is a clueless zealot
14:01.30Timothank you
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14:01.45abrotmanLimCore: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off topic
14:01.53NenilloTimo you need to read something about linux... try looking for df du lshw parted...
14:02.09wols_Timo: bnow that you have the info we asked you for, how about showing it to us?
14:02.23pobegaWhy is it that anytime we won't help an Ubuntu user we are zealots? This is a channel for Debian, not Ubuntu. Also, time for ignore, before I get booted from the channel for flames.
14:02.49wols_pobega: don't. or you will get OT too
14:03.24pobegawols_: I know. I'm just letting it slide...*shrug*
14:03.27Timowols_ : yeah.
14:03.53iixhow do i install a new gdm theme ?
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14:06.15nmh_2Grajwiix: have you tried something like: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/001168.html
14:06.29nmh_2Grajwoops, ignore that please
14:07.06serfurjdoes anyone know why grep doesn't work on DOS formatted text files?
14:07.22rokra<PROTECTED>
14:07.31Viperfangmake
14:07.33Viperfangoops
14:07.36castserfurj: it doesn't? what are you greping for
14:07.59abrotmaniix: have you tried the "Appearance" applet in gnome? it lets you install a theme
14:08.07serfurjcast: just a string that is in the file
14:08.09iixu sure it does?
14:08.14abrotmani just opened it
14:08.36castpost teh file and the string, me thinks it should work
14:08.42iixcheers mate
14:09.24Timowols_ :
14:09.25Timohttp://pastebin.com/m7bd15e12
14:09.39iixalso which app should i use for im ?
14:09.48abrotmaniix: gaim/pidgin
14:10.10avuiix, or kopete if you're a KDE user
14:10.10iixcheers
14:10.12abrotmaniix: aptitude install gaim .. it should work no matter which version of debian you have
14:10.17Nenilloiix, pidgin, amsn, etc...
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14:10.22iixthanks ladys
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14:10.35wols_Timo: you have two linux partitions and as you said both are mounted. so nothing more to do
14:10.54iix!pastebin
14:10.54dpkgPlease don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
14:12.38iixcan anyone help me out with this error http://www.pastebin.cz/8456
14:13.57wols_iix: if there really is a localhost:0.0 X server, then you need xauth
14:14.03wols_!tell iix about xauth
14:15.12iix?
14:16.13Timowols_ : thats all i need i dont know for sure what i used. and what is nessesairy. here i got the list where i whas lookin for : http://pastebin.com/m76865602
14:17.25NenilloTimo what's the problem on that paste?
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14:17.54Nenilloall seems to be right
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14:19.07iixwols i get same error after typing  xhost '+localhost'
14:19.09wols_Timo: ubuntu or debian?
14:19.34wols_iix: no one told you to use xhost and I asked you somethiong before: ix X running on localhost:0.0?
14:19.42wols_tvn2: ubuntu or debian?
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14:19.48dante_2corethe debian updater just overwrote my menu.list from grub, where can I get the kernel commandline of the running kernel? I recall having seen it in some logfile before
14:19.54Nenillotvn2 maybe you can see it doing lshw
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14:20.21Nenilloif not, look on you mobo model and check it on the mobo website
14:20.23hoxudante_2core, /proc/cmdline
14:20.28wols_dante_2core: debian doesn't overwrite menu.lst
14:20.29dante_2corehoxu, thanks
14:20.45dante_2corewols_, it does, new kernel image installs do update-grub which overwrites it
14:20.54wols_dante_2core: and if it uses the wrong kernel parameters, you have a misconfiguzred menu.lst
14:21.00wols_dante_2core: no it does not
14:21.04Timowols_ : debian.
14:21.11hoxudante_2core, you are supposed to edit menu.lst kopt line which is *commented* and then run update-grub
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14:21.25dante_2corewols_, I have custom kernels and yes it does it just did you want the log?
14:21.26wols_dante_2core: and kopt line has to stay commented
14:21.28hoxudante_2core, read the comments in the menu.lst
14:21.42maligorweird, iceweasel has started to freeze once in a while on page load, how annoying
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14:21.46Braden--Hello
14:21.47iixwols i get same error after typing  xhost '+localhost'
14:21.52wols_dante_2core: it doesn't matter with custom kernels and I don't want a log. I KNOW it doesn't overwrite your menu.lst
14:21.52dante_2coreI have my custom kernels I don't use the debian ones and I have some framebuffer options I want to have on my custom kernels
14:21.56Timoi guess ubuntu is debian based ?
14:21.58iix?wols i dont .
14:22.02iixno
14:22.04tvn2Nenillo, it just says pci express , width 32 bit clock 33Mhz
14:22.07Braden--What is the logrotate daemon's executable?  I cannot find it in /etc/init.d
14:22.08dante_2coreUpdating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done
14:22.08wols_iix: I answered you before. if you can't read: go away
14:22.11dante_2coreand what is that then?
14:22.24wols_dante_2core: it doesn't mean it ioverwrites everything
14:22.33iixwols i just told u i dont know if its running on  localhost:0.77
14:22.36wols_tvn2: #ubuntu
14:22.40iix0.7 * sorry
14:22.51wols_iix: no one spoke about 0.7 ever
14:22.56hoxudante_2core, I repeat: read the comments in menu.lst
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14:23.00dante_2corewols_, well, the thing is... it updates the list with all the kernels, but it drops the options I have set on the kernels
14:23.06Timowols_ : what makes the difference ?
14:23.10wols_iix: until you know if it does run there, don't try to use it, but fine out where it does run
14:23.12iixoh yeh im sorry its pretty late
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14:23.21Timowols_ : have you looked at the pastebin ?
14:23.23iixhow do i find that out ?
14:23.24lobakhello
14:23.29wols_dante_2core: cause you set them wrong as hoxu and I explained to you. read the backlog again
14:23.45wols_Timo: you've been answered LONG ago. there is nothing to mount
14:23.47dante_2corewols_, I just did, reading grub comments right now.
14:23.54dante_2corehoxu, thanks for the help
14:23.59dante_2corewols_, to you too
14:24.03dante_2coreboth, sorry for my rudeness.
14:24.09wols_dante_2core: set kopt properly
14:24.17wols_then it will all fix itself (after a update-grub
14:24.28lobakhow does thumb drive automount work?i mean how can i detect that thumbdrive is inserted, what the name of the thumb drive, and where it is mounted
14:24.34dante_2corewoa, fancy ^^
14:24.37hoxudante_2core, also "man 8 update-grub" may clear things up if the menu.lst doesn't
14:24.41wols_iix: does your system run a X server? you shoudl KNOW if one runs, cause you see it
14:24.46Arafangionlobak, In a nutshell, it uses udev.
14:24.52dante_2corehoxu, the comments just did, thank you.
14:24.56wols_!tell lobak about automount
14:25.15iixno shit
14:25.22HoxzerHmm
14:25.22iixi fixd it already
14:25.26iixnever mind
14:25.43iixln -s /home/user/.Xauthority <-- did the trick
14:26.51dante_2corewols_, I lol-ed when it said "DO NOT UNCOMMENT ( !! )" :)
14:27.56wols_using stuff in comments for config is... sub optimal imho
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14:28.24hoxuwols_, well, I think whoever was the evil mind who designed menu.lst was chuckling inside knowing all the people that would come and trip over it
14:28.57Arafangionhoxu, Used to be worse... Used to be menu.lst
14:29.07Arafangionhoxu, ie, 'menu.first'.
14:29.12dante_2corewols_, I agree on that, it's confusing and against the general logic of comments
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14:29.25Arafangionhoxu, At least, that was how it was mis-read.
14:29.39wols_hoxu: it wasn't the menu.lst deisnger but the update-grub programmer
14:30.37dante_2coreisn't update-grub a thingy from debian?
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14:30.47wols_it is
14:30.51dante_2coreit says "by the debian update-grub script"
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14:33.05x3onhey, what is wireless connectivity like on testing? Ubuntu wireless works straight out of install - is it the same for deb lenny?
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14:34.12dante_2corex3on, depends on the card, but I don't think much wireless stuff is installed by default
14:34.52wols_x3on: pretty much any wlan chip needs at least non free firmware
14:35.05wols_so debian can't make it work out of the bos
14:35.07wols_*box
14:35.17x3onah right
14:35.20dante_2corex3on, ... which would then be not included in debian due to its philosophy
14:35.33x3onof course. I forgot about that
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14:35.55dante_2corex3on, but I wouldn't say it's awfully hard to get it to work anyway.
14:36.16abrotmanx3on: there is a list of devices that don't require firmware .. if oyu're interested
14:37.44dante_2corex3on, do you have a specific chip or do you ask in general?
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14:39.03lobakis there any mechanism that can tell or give us a signal when the thumb drive is inserted?
14:39.31_ZeuZ_x3on, Ubuntu installs modules automatically. Support is basically the same, all depends on the kernel, modules you have compiled, and although there are some incompatibilities on some packages, that shouldn't be of your problems
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14:40.02abrotman_ZeuZ_: are you saying Debian doesnt' install modules?
14:40.24wols_abrotman: depends on how dfsg compliant they are
14:40.31_ZeuZ_abrotman, nop
14:40.41abrotmanwols_: he phrased it poorly
14:41.03_ZeuZ_abrotman, I just said that some modules are not reparted with stock kernels, because they taint the license
14:41.38_ZeuZ_f.e: Ubuntu's blooby license has no problem on reparting nvidia privative drivers on-first-install
14:41.49iix!pastebin
14:41.50dpkgDo not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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14:42.50abrotmanreparted?
14:42.55iixcan anyone help me with this error http://paste.debian.net/16019/?
14:42.57abrotmaniix: you can /msg dpkg pastebin
14:42.59x3onI'm using a netgear pcmcia
14:43.03_ZeuZ_abrotman, sorry, bad spangish ^_^
14:43.07iixsorry?
14:43.10_ZeuZ_I mean, they're not given precompiled
14:43.11abrotmani noticed
14:43.20abrotmaniix: in your IRC window - /msg dpkg foo
14:43.26abrotmanerm .. /msg dpkg paste
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14:43.59iix?
14:44.02iixnevermind.
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14:44.09Nenillo_ZeuZ_ xD
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14:45.00Timowols_ : the question whas if i needed more partitions on my (server) look at this : http://pastebin.com/m76865602
14:45.20wols_Timo:I won't answer you a third time. good day
14:45.42NenilloTimo no, you don't need more partitions
14:45.46Nenilloit is ok
14:46.01iixalso i got this error abortman http://paste.debian.net/16020/
14:46.33abrotmani know nothing about conky
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14:47.22wols_it pretty clearly says you have a fscked up config file
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14:47.50Timowols_ : look back i cant find any answers from you anywhere...
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14:48.00Timonvm
14:48.09Timothanks Nenillo
14:49.03Timooh.
14:49.09Timoi have no swapp now btw
14:49.18_ZeuZ_iix, why don't you create a .conkyrc in your $HOME and that would solve it?
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14:49.45iixConky: can't open '/sys/class/hwmon/hwmon0/device/temp1_input': No such file or directory
14:49.47Timoi guess...
14:49.51LjLmy Epson RX500 USB scanner used to work, but doesn't anymore, and i've lost track of which changes may have occurred.  sane-find-scanner lists it, scanimage -L does not. it used to need the epkowa driver, although i think recently it worked with the epson driver, too.  i'm thinking the disappearance of any usb device from /dev/usb (only "lp0" is left), and the appearance of /dev/usbdev* instead, might perhaps be related.
14:50.00abrotmaniix: uname -a .. returns?
14:50.11iixim using lenny/sid
14:50.12NenilloTimo you can do a swapon /dev/hdx
14:50.20Nenilloon hdx is your swap partition
14:50.21iixLinux janissary 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Mon Aug 18 08:42:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
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14:50.30abrotmaniix: aptitude install linux-image-686
14:50.45iixi just did a upgrade 2 mins ago.
14:51.11abrotmanor don't .. whatever
14:51.20abrotmanif you're on lenny/sid .. you shouldn't have that kernel
14:51.58iixwhy when i just did a apt-get -dist-upgrade?
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14:52.13abrotmaniix: aptitude install linux-image-686
14:52.19iixdone that.
14:52.24abrotmandid it install anything else?
14:52.32iixit removed a few things.
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14:52.47abrotmanit should have installed a new kernel
14:52.57iixnioe
14:52.59iixNope*&
14:53.08abrotmaniix: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686
14:53.25abrotmaniix: paste the output of `dpkg -l linux-image*` in a pastebin
14:53.45iixinto pastebin?
14:54.07abrotmanno .. into a pastebin
14:54.18iixah smart.
14:54.50iixhttp://paste.debian.net/16021/
14:55.29abrotmaniix: i thnik you need to restart your machine to begin using the new kernel
14:55.35iixOk :D
14:55.39iixcheers mate
14:55.43iixill be back
14:55.49jelly-homeand run update-grub befre that, possibly
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14:56.32Diluviumhey guys
14:56.50Diluviumhow can I remove all non 'base' packages
14:56.55lobaki've tried to read about the ivman, hal, lshal, udev and etc. but im not sure if it is suitable with what i was trying to do..i was trying to make, when i insert a pendrive/thumbdrive, it will automatically execute my bash script after detecting the insertion of device and its mount point
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14:57.26stewlobak: yes, i use ivman for exactly this
14:57.53lobakstew, do i need to install it?or it is installed by default in debian?
14:58.17samucapeople, I want that my system start, don´t mount / partition
14:58.24samucahow can I do it?
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14:58.32stewlobak: it is not installed by default.  see the last example here, which makes use of the new mount point: http://wiki.debian.org/IVMan
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15:02.05x3onhey, cool to read about the Live CD!
15:03.03peterrooneyDiluvium: tasksel --list-tasks to begin with
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15:05.26ViperfangCan aznyone PLEASE help me with my wireless issue?
15:05.28peterrooneyDiluvium: apt is pretty good about leaving enough of the right packages in place when you're removing stuff,
15:05.51ViperfangI am running debian lenny and have an iwl4965 (Intel AGN) and am having problems getting it running. I have placed the ucode into the firmware folder and it is loaded. However, Im not picking up any networks. I keep getting "REPLY_SCAN_CMD" errors and Microcode errors.
15:05.55Pers3UXHi
15:06.15Viperfanglo Pers3UX
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15:07.01Pers3UXLo?!
15:07.15Pers3UXAha! Hello!
15:08.03Viperfangindeed
15:08.26lobakstew, ok.. thanks..i'll take a look right now
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15:10.13ArthurArchnixI'm trying to boot from a usb stick to do a net install of debian lenny.
15:10.33ArthurArchnixSyslinux is giving me this error: Could not find kernel image: linux
15:11.15ArthurArchnixThe files I have on there are boot.img, initrd.gz, vmlinuz and debian-lenny-net.iso
15:11.18[gquit]bombadilArthurArchnix: what size is the usb stick
15:11.47ArthurArchnix512MB ... enough for all the files and about 300MB to spare
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15:12.07wols_ArthurArchnix: so it's not "linux but vmlinuz?
15:12.21[gquit]bombadildid you copy a boot sector onto the drive?
15:12.22ArthurArchnixThat's the error message yes. I
15:12.53ArthurArchnixWell, as syslinux was coming up I assumed it was booting and the error was elsewhere.
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15:13.31ArthurArchnixI'm having trouble following the directions because I don't currently have a machine here that has debian running, so I can't follow the instructions exactly as they are in the installation manual.
15:13.51ArthurArchnixI installed syslinux from under windows xp, but it appears to be installed ok.
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15:16.02ma3xhow do i disable the laptop beeping when i plug out the power?
15:16.38octox2Is there a good program to test a network cable for large max speed file transfers?
15:17.04ma3xftp?
15:17.17ma3xscp?
15:17.18abrotmanoctox2: netcat
15:17.25abrotmanma3x: that's usually a bios thing
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15:17.31Crowlerhey, ppl, how i can install topic from iso image on hdd? havent seen such option not in "expert" not in "expertgui" mode
15:17.44ma3xabrotman: it can't be disabled in the bios
15:17.55octox2abrotman: thanks :)
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15:18.00abrotmanma3x: you can check the acpi event scripts .. but it's usually a bios function
15:18.21abrotmanCrowler: that doesn't make sense
15:18.30Crowlereh?
15:18.37Crowlerexplain
15:18.43PsychloI have a question: i was reading about the USB install, it says that i need a working linux system for that, but i don`t have one... I downloaded boot.img.gz, what else do i need and how to make it boot?
15:18.47Psychlo(windows)
15:19.00Crowlerboth fedora and mandriva allows it
15:19.12abrotmanCrowler: install topic ?
15:19.12wols_Psychlo: get a working linux system
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15:19.46Psychlowols_, well, must i install gentoo for example so that i can install debian?
15:19.50Crowlerabrotman topic in this chan is "debian" if you still dont know this
15:19.55Psychloisn`t that a bit too complicated
15:19.56Psychlo?
15:20.03abrotmanCrowler: try to rephrase your question
15:20.15rmajquestions about which distro/technology to choose are on topic?
15:20.21ArthurArchnixthis is crazy... what are the odds that me and Psychlo are having the exact same issue at the exact sametime
15:20.22abrotmanrmaj: debian
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15:20.33ArthurArchnixhttp://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s04.html#usb-copy-easy
15:20.41ArthurArchnixThose are the instructions I'm following
15:20.45abrotmanPsychlo: you could use a liveCD ?
15:20.46Crowlerabrotman just change "topic" with "debian"
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15:21.00abrotmanCrowler: so install debian .. what's the problem with using the netinst ?
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15:21.28PsychloI have no empty CDs and i don`t believe that there is no way of installing debian without other distros
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15:21.37abrotmanPsychlo: cygwin maybe?
15:21.39Crowlerabrotman i already wasted 4gig of my traffic on dvd
15:21.49abrotmanCrowler: okay .. so why doesn't the DVD work ?
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15:21.57abrotmanPsychlo: goodbye-microsoft.com ?
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15:22.04Crowlerabrotman i dont have any
15:22.22abrotmanyou just said you downloaded the dvd
15:22.39Crowlerdvd iso image
15:23.00ma3xabrotman: i want to test speed with netcat, but it's not supported on my busybox router. how else can i test speed between router and computer?
15:23.00abrotman!ru
15:23.01dpkgRussian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
15:23.15abrotmanma3x: it's faster than your ISP .. don't bother
15:23.57ma3xabrotman: i know it's faster but i was wondering why is transfering only 2-3 MBytes in LAN range, when it's a 54Mbps WLAN router?
15:24.03ma3xi tried it even in close range
15:24.10Crowlerabrotman btw, if you somehow will discover a way to dl real dvds thru the wire, dont forget to let me know how
15:24.11abrotmanBYTE .. BIT
15:24.15ma3xthat's about 18-20 Mbps, instead of 54
15:24.24abrotmanCrowler: you use the ISOs .. burn the ISO .. boot from it
15:25.07ma3xabrotman: yes only 18 Mbps instead of 54, how come?
15:25.09Crowler[19:24:04] <Crowler> abrotman i dont have any dvd drive in my box
15:25.22abrotmanma3x: signal problems?
15:25.33abrotmanma3x: there are a million things that affect wireless
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15:25.43abrotmanCrowler: so what are you trying to install debian from?
15:25.46rmajcan I easly get going with ZFS or BTRFS (or hammerfs?) on a debian box?
15:25.52abrotman!fuse
15:25.52dpkgwell, fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like <ntfs-3g>, samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels..  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace
15:26.01Crowler[19:19:31] <Crowler> hey, ppl, how i can install topic from iso image on hdd?
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15:26.22abrotmani don't think any bootloader will boot from an iso ?
15:26.37abrotman!hd-media
15:26.37dpkgTo install debian without any removable media read this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en  You can get the vmlinuz and initrd.gz from here: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/  (note these are for etch on i386)
15:26.58ma3xabrotman: it couldn't be signal problem. as i said i tested it in close range too, signal is excellent and yet goes only up to 20 mbps instead of 54. i tested it using ftp.
15:27.12Crowlerabrotman i have multiboot with syslinux loader
15:27.20abrotmanCrowler: then boot the ISO
15:27.32abrotmanma3x: MB or Mb ?
15:27.45crashanddiema3x, how many clients are connected to the AP ?
15:27.47abrotmanma3x: or ask #wireless
15:27.51ma3xcrashanddie: only me
15:27.57ma3xabrotman: 3 MB = 18Mbps
15:28.06abrotmanno it doesn't
15:28.11crashanddieNo, 3MB/s = 24Mbit
15:28.12ma3xwhat it doesn't ?
15:28.17abrotmanma3x: or ask #wireless
15:28.17ma3xshit, yeah sorry
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15:28.26Crowlerabrotman you dont seems to understand what i am talking about
15:28.26ma3x24 instead of 54
15:28.30ma3xok
15:28.35abrotmanCrowler: no .. your english isn't very good
15:28.37crashanddiema3x, poor quality driver, poor quality hardware, can come from a number of things
15:28.47Crowlerthat is
15:29.00ma3xabrotman: if I use scp, what should I copy from the router to the wireless computer? /dev/urandom ? is that fastest?
15:29.05Crowlerit really sux
15:29.13abrotmanscp is a horrible test
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15:29.43ma3xhow can i test it then?
15:29.44crashanddiema3x, scp will be way too slow
15:29.44rmajma3x: /dev/urandom has limit on speed;  first genearte a random file (using dd if=/dev/urandom) then copy that
15:30.07jester45/dev/zero is the fastest but urandom would be the  best choice... but im sure /dev/urandom could out pace a gigabit link easy
15:30.21abrotmanjester45: on a 486?
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15:30.26jester45oo
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15:30.34jester45maybe not a 486
15:30.53jester45/dev/random is fun to drain
15:30.54crashanddiema3x, from the router to the computer is probably a very poor test, don't you have another computer connected through a wire to the router ?
15:31.23ma3xcrashanddie: i do have one connected via wire, why?
15:31.28ma3xcrashanddie: but it runs windows
15:31.46crashanddiema3x, then just copy from one computer to the other
15:32.00ma3xvia what? i tried ftp, don't like it
15:32.10abrotmanwhy do you even care?
15:32.10crashanddiema3x, but I mean, wireless should never be used for bandwidth intensive applications
15:32.16abrotmanthis is beyond the scope of #debian
15:32.24ma3xok thanks
15:32.30crashanddiefair enough
15:32.41ma3xanyway did lenny become stable?
15:32.47ma3xwhen if yes?
15:32.58jester45no it hasnt
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15:33.16abrotman!tell ma3x about wwlr
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15:35.07ma3xi thought i read something like 'debian testing will become stable in a few days' on /. a week ago
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15:35.37ma3xthey were wrong apparently
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15:36.02FinnTuxany info how to use bonding and bridge device together. ie. eth0+eth1 -> bond0 -> br0
15:36.16FinnTux"debian way"
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15:43.40TheodenHello - I'm sitting on a base install of lenny Beta 2 - what pkg do I apt0get to install gnome?
15:43.44Theodenapt-get
15:44.11abrotmanaptitude install gnome xorg gdm
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15:45.06jester45Theoden, please use aptitude as a replacement for apt-get it can fix  package dependacy  problems much better than regualr apt-get
15:45.12GludggenHello, I have  a fresh debian testing install which is *very* unstable. The Kernel panics, whenever I startx, and also sometimes randomly
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15:45.28GludggenCan I expect this to be fixed, or should I do a reinstall?
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15:45.38Theodenabrotman:  It says it cannot find the package "gnome"
15:46.14abrotmanTheoden: aptitude install gnome-desktop xorg gdm ?
15:46.16jester45Gludggen, by your discription i would guess its a xorg video card driver problem but i cant be sure
15:46.19abrotman!install gnome
15:46.19dpkgTo install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less.  You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>.
15:46.21abrotmanstart smaller
15:46.31user_where can I find a list of packages that are currently installed on my computer?
15:46.32abrotmanTheoden: can you `aptitude install gnome-core` ?
15:46.38abrotman!tell user_ about installed
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15:46.44jester45user_, dpkg -l
15:47.04octox2abrotman: have you ever used bing  ?
15:47.11abrotmanping ?
15:47.20Theoden!install xor
15:47.23Theoden!install xorg
15:47.23dpkgTo install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg" , you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome>, or <install kde>, or <install xfce>, or <install fluxbox>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
15:47.47abrotmanTheoden: aptitude install xorg gnome-core gdm
15:47.57TheodenIt cannot find any package named "xorg"
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15:48.37gigohi, whenever I change /etc/resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1 after sometime I find that it has been changed back to my ISP DNS server. why does this happen?
15:48.59Diluviumgigo: probably dhclient or something similiar
15:49.07Diluviumgigo: set it read only by everyone
15:49.14abrotmanTheoden: paste your sources.list in a pastebin
15:49.16Gludggenjester45: ok, well I guess a reinstall is my best option
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15:50.25TheodenI can't - different system - no browser yet - no desktop
15:50.30grigorawhat's the best way to set the TZ variable?
15:50.35ArthurArchnixok... I've got it booting a bit now
15:50.38abrotmanTheoden: you can paste without X
15:50.53TheodenI don't know how.
15:50.55_ZeuZ_Theoden, the package is xserver-xorg
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15:51.26ArthurArchnixBut after a few seconds I get the following error: VFS: Cannot open root device "<NULL>" or unknown-block(8,1)
15:51.33TheodenCan't find that pkg either.
15:51.44abrotman_ZeuZ_: no .. it's xorg
15:51.46ArthurArchnixThen kernel panic, not syncing
15:51.52abrotman!pastebinpipe
15:51.53dpkgDownload http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid.
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15:52.20ArthurArchnixIt says to append the correct "root=" boot option, but I don't know what that means. I'm just following instructions trying to get this usb key to get the net inst disc up and running
15:52.43abrotmanTheoden: or you could IRC from that box .. and use #flood
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15:54.13ArthurArchnixvmlinuz root=/dev/sdb1 does not work either
15:54.26ArthurArchnixI can't get a list of available partitions because it kernel panics
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15:59.33blubberdiblubArthurArchnix, what if you try root=/dev/sda1 or root=/dev/sdc1 respectively? does the boot log indicate that the kernel recognizes the usb device?
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15:59.52Z4ndXHello..
15:59.59Z4ndXHow to i close xserver ?
16:00.20hoxuZ4ndX, if you are using gdm, invoke-rc.d gdm stop
16:00.38Z4ndXthanks ill try
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16:00.55Theodenabrotman:  I see my problem - the sources.list only has the CDROM line in it.  COuld someone paste me a correct sources.list.
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16:01.04Theodenpaste.bin or PM?
16:01.12abrotmanTheoden: for etch?
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16:01.21gigo1I have an Acer Extensa 4620 Core 2 Duo processor T5550. Which Debian ISO should I download?
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16:01.32abrotmani386 or amd64 .. up to you
16:01.49TheodenLenny Beta 2
16:01.51gigo1abrotman: amd64 is okay for Intel 64-bit too?
16:01.54abrotmanTheoden: country?
16:01.56abrotmangigo1: yes
16:01.59TheodenUSA
16:02.02TheodenCalifornia
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16:02.37abrotmanTheoden: "deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ lenny main"
16:02.54ArthurArchnixevery one of those options results in a kernel panic
16:03.06abrotmanTheoden: add contrib/non-free as you wish
16:03.15ArthurArchnixThe problem, as I've stated before, is that I'm trying to create a usb stick from within Windows, which no one has documented how to do.
16:03.33ArthurArchnixIf I had a cd to create a live cd, I'd just burn the net installer to that and be done with it.
16:03.59blubberdiblubArthurArchnix, when trying to boot, is it logging something to the console, and if so, does it indicate some actions regarding usb?
16:04.20Theodenabrotman:  thx - appreciate it.  :)
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16:04.47DeltaS4hey
16:05.06DeltaS4how do I fix my hosts file? I changed something and now sudo says "unable to rsolve hosname.."
16:05.21abrotmanchange it back ?
16:05.34liable!hostname
16:05.35dpkguse hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname
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16:06.49ArthurArchnixI'll take a look in a second blubber
16:06.56ArthurArchnixI'm just trying to recrate the disk
16:07.23DeltaS4what's the command to reconfigure network or hostname?
16:07.24ArthurArchnixcould it be because I don't have zcat to extract the tar.gz file to the device, and that I have to use winrar to extract the contents to the usb stick?
16:07.35Theodenabrotman:  Problem solved - thanks again.
16:07.39DeltaS4dpkg-reconfigure ..?
16:07.42gigoabrotman: Can't I use http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/ia64/iso-cd/ for Intel Core 2 Duo?
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16:08.13jester45isnt that for ithaiums
16:08.24abrotmangigo: uh not even close
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16:08.36blubberdiblubArthurArchnix, i don't know. what does the readme say? can you please repeat the link where you got the image from?
16:08.39gigooh, that's some other processor
16:08.43abrotman!ia64
16:08.43dpkgit has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2.  The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC.  See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64.
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16:09.14LjLmy Epson RX500 USB scanner used to work, but doesn't anymore, and i've lost track of which changes may have occurred.  sane-find-scanner lists it, scanimage -L does not. it used to need the epkowa driver, although i think recently it worked with the epson driver, too.  i'm thinking the disappearance of any usb device from /dev/usb (only "lp0" is left), and the appearance of /dev/usbdev* instead, might perhaps be related.
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16:10.15Z4ndXhoxu: Thanks it worked :) .. NVIDIA driver installed :)
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16:10.40_fjh_Hi, I am searching for a program to manage my digital photos. Do you have a recommendation? I found too many similar applications in debian.
16:10.50ArthurArchnixhttp://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s04.html#usb-copy-easy
16:11.02ArthurArchnixAnd I don't think winrar will work. It just extracts a img file to the usb key
16:11.07stevedondleyping abrotman
16:11.12ArthurArchnixchances are I want to "burn" this image to the usb key
16:11.21tonsofpcswhat are you trying to do?
16:11.22jelly-homeping stevedondley
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16:11.40stevedondleywho is jelly-home?
16:11.44abrotmanstevedondley: yes .. i'm here
16:11.51jelly-homeit's me!
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16:12.08stevedondleyabrotman: do you know don? maybe you know if he's on vacation or something?
16:12.35abrotmanstevedondley: i didn't notice .. you could msg/email him?
16:12.46_fjh_I am searching for something, which does not modify/touch my data, so basically keeps metadata in extra files.
16:12.55jelly-home"Is idling for 3d 11h 36m 43s"
16:12.59blubberdiblubArthurArchnix, yeah, the image needs to be copied to the stick block-by-block. winrar _can_ extract it, but cannot transfer it to disk the way it must
16:13.00stevedondleyabrotman: been trying for last 3 days, haven't heard anything
16:13.23abrotmanit appears he's been idle for about 20 hours ?
16:13.45jelly-homesnot what dpkg says
16:13.56_fjh_I would like to tag/zoom/crop them and export a subset to get paper photos.
16:13.58abrotmanjelly-home: on oftc?
16:14.03stevedondleyok, thanks
16:14.09_fjh_Anyone using something in that direction?
16:14.20jelly-homeabrotman: nah, just here
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16:22.53blubberdiblubArthurArchnix, cygwin should be able to get your netinstall image transferred to the stick, i think
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16:24.35ArthurArchnixit was mentioned a while back and I looked at it but from what I read I had to install cygwin then compile the tools I needed.
16:24.42ArthurArchnixNot exactly a simple workaround.
16:25.02ArthurArchnixI've downloaded a progam that can extract img files and I've extracted the contents to the usb key
16:25.08ArthurArchnixgonna see if it boots
16:25.11blubberdiblubArthurArchnix, you'd have to install it, yes, but there's no need to compile anything. the tools required are available in binary package form
16:25.25ArthurArchnixah, well then I'll be looking at that next
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16:30.07ArthurArchnixahhh... done
16:30.17ArthurArchnixjust finished partitioning and now its installing the base system
16:30.42ArthurArchnixSo, just so you all know, it's possible to create a bootable USB stick to install Debian from using Windows
16:30.53ArthurArchnixBut it is not fun or advisable.
16:30.58ArthurArchnix:)
16:31.22ArthurArchnixSomeone else was trying this before... p something... phoenix or... is he still here?
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16:31.39emmaI'm setting up my partitions, is 10 GB for / good or should I give it more?
16:32.20abrotmanemma: depends on other paritions in use
16:32.48emmai have 80 gb free space to work with.
16:33.16LagboltArthurArchnix, why is it not fun? i made one and it took minutes
16:33.20Lagbolt;)
16:33.21emmai was thinking 10 gb / , 1 gb swap (i have 512 ram here) , and the rest for /home
16:33.28emmawhat do you think of that?
16:33.59ArthurArchnixLagbolt: R u srs?
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16:34.07LagboltArthurArchnix, or you can make them in debian
16:34.24LagboltArthurArchnix, lots of howtos about that
16:34.28emmaabrotman: ?
16:34.31ArthurArchnixLagbolt: Ah... the old chicken and the egg howto
16:34.44blubberdiblublol
16:34.54Lagboltyou dont have to have debian to do it.  there are images out there already if you look around a bit
16:35.03abrotmanemma: my / is about 10GB and it's about 60% used
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16:35.14ArthurArchnixHow to make an omlette. Take one egg. If you do not have an egg, get a chicken. If you do not have a chicken, raise one from an egg.
16:35.29emmaabrotman: so what does that suggest? you think i should make it bigger then?
16:35.52abrotmani use gnome .. and few other large-ish packages .. 10GB should be close
16:35.57abrotmanor use LVM and worry no more!
16:36.53Lagboltmy / is 14GB and i use 46% and i do use LVM :)
16:37.07Lagbolti love lvm
16:37.13jelly-home15GB should be enough for anyone (with a separate /var and /home)
16:37.36ArthurArchnixI've just given myself 4.3 gigs... and don't anticipate any problems.
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16:38.44emmajelly-home: how big should var be?
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16:39.05emmajelly-home: i didn't make a separate /var :(
16:39.27abrotmanemma: he's saying that if you have a separate /var/ and /home/ .. 15GB on / should be big enough for anyone .. but 10GB is reasonable (even without a separate /var/)
16:39.31jelly-homeemma: not to worry, you'll probably not need it
16:40.14emmaokay cool.
16:40.17emmaphew!
16:40.33emmaI'm going to go with 10 GB /
16:40.55emmawould a 1 GB swap be good for an old machine with 512 mb ram?
16:41.01emmaor should i make swap larger?
16:41.22jelly-homeno
16:41.47jelly-homeeven that might be too big
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16:42.40jelly-homeif your machine starts to swap that much, it's possibly better to make a smaller swap, and let the kernel out-of-memory killer activate earlier
16:42.40pflanzejelly-home / emma: at least if you're using /tmp on tmpfs, better make it 1GB
16:42.59jelly-homepflanze: definitely not a debian default
16:43.20pflanzetrue, but..
16:43.23jelly-homethis is not solaris!
16:44.05pflanzetmpfs is so much faster than normal filesystems that it makes sense on any server at least
16:44.09ArthurArchnixthis is sparta?
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16:44.41pflanzealso, if you later find out that your normal partition is full, but you've got a too big swap, you can move /tmp to tmpfs and have some spare space left
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16:44.59scgtrphow do i enable/disable services?
16:45.08abrotmanupdate-rc.d
16:45.16emmaI'm not making a server I'm making a desktop
16:45.28abrotman1GB swap should be fine
16:45.30emmaand i was making it ext3 is that okay?
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16:45.33abrotmanyes
16:45.54jelly-homepflanze: have you measured the /tmp as tmpfs importance in real life?
16:46.21jelly-homepflanze: it's not like linux writes everything to disk as soon as the app does a write()
16:46.22pflanzejelly-home: I've done benchmarks with applications I wrote.
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16:46.45emmashould you make the partitions in a certain order?
16:46.52emmafor example: root, home, swap.
16:46.56emmaor root,swap, home.
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16:47.30abrotmanjust install already
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16:47.35pflanzejelly-home: I'm fully aware of that, and my benchmarks were all ram resident.
16:48.19pflanzejelly-home: btw also for example the git svn import tool manpage recommends running big imports on tmpfs. So that's real life other than my own apps.
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16:50.36jelly-homepflanze: interesting.
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16:53.48pflanzetmpfs code is just much simpler. The only drawback when I did my measurements about a year ago was that tmpfs does allocate page wise (512 byte wise, I think), whereas e.g. reiserfs does pack small files; so you need more ram for many small files
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16:54.26pflanzebut I got the impression that limit has been removed lately (because I created a huge number of files recently), but didn't investigate deeper.
16:55.17jelly-hometoo bad reiserfs (v3) failed at things like reliability :-)
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16:55.40jelly-hometail packing was nice to have on maildirs and news spools
16:55.45pflanzeI'm using almost only reiserfs since 2001 and have never had a single issue.
16:55.55jelly-homelucky guy
16:55.59pflanzeAnd I'm running a handful servers.
16:56.14jelly-homemake sure your backups are valid
16:56.25pflanzeSure I do, never needed them.
16:56.41pflanzeThe only issues were disk failures.
16:56.43jelly-homethat's why I call you lucky :-)
16:56.51dudemanhey
16:56.56dudemanwhats going on in the world of #debian
16:57.00micolsmy slrn won't post, any idea what can be wrong? i exported my newsserver
16:57.10dudemanjelly-home, hey
16:58.02jelly-homepflanze: in 2003 or '04 we had a double disk failure, the array was fixed in the end, but reiserfsck took 72 hours
16:58.17pflanzeyes, reiserfsck is slow.
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16:58.30micolsraid is no security with a single PSU :)
16:58.49micolsjust flick the switch from 230V to 110V and all your disks are dead :P
16:59.12jelly-homepflanze: another time, a partition got filled up to 93%.  After cleaning it up, the random read performance never recovered
16:59.53jelly-homeso it was bye bye reiserfs for us; luckily, ext3 gained dir_index at that time
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17:00.10dudemanhm
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17:00.20dudemanI have a reiser  fs on my sid machine for 5 years
17:00.22jelly-homedudeman: hi there
17:00.23dudemanoh /home
17:00.39dudemannever problems of ANY kind no data loss never a partition fail
17:00.40dudemannothing
17:00.56jelly-homeyou better not.
17:01.02dudemanheh
17:01.02blubberdiblubwell, i'm on jelly-home's side in that regard ...
17:01.02dudemanwhat?
17:01.04dudemancrack head
17:01.05micolsalso software raid isn't so good as you still lose your bootloader
17:01.05dudeman:)
17:01.12dudemanbah
17:01.16dudemanget off your bandwagons
17:01.29dudemanreiserfs has not done me wrong in 6 years that I've been using it
17:01.38blubberdiblubhad some cases of file system corruption with it
17:01.45dudemanyeh.. unlucky
17:01.48dudemancould happen to any fs...
17:01.58micolsi had filesystem corruption with xfs several times and with ext3, mostly because of unstable system :)
17:02.02pflanzeblubberdiblub: that weren't disk problems?
17:02.09micolsit even kept kicking my /tmp disk
17:02.11blubberdiblubshouldn't happen spontaneously
17:02.12jelly-homeblubberdiblub: there were some bugs with that, but those were fixed
17:02.19blubberdiblubpflanze, no, the disks were okay
17:02.29jelly-homemicols: don't buy crap hardware?
17:02.48ArthurArchnixmaybe it'll see some improvement over the next 10 to 15 years .. I understand the developer is going to have some more free time on his hands.
17:02.49blubberdiblubjelly-home, well, i'm on XFS for a couple of years now, and i'm very happy
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17:03.13jelly-homeI'd cnsider xfs if RHEL supported it :-)
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17:03.30pflanzewell dunno. My guess is just that since ext3 is still running an fsck every few months, people are realizing random corruption early enough to not make bad things happen.
17:03.34blubberdiblubjelly-home, i find it quite robust even in face of a bad kernel
17:04.00pflanzeabout the performance issue I don't know, I've never cleaned up a partition that was in heavy use.
17:04.01abrotmanpflanze: or they're smart enough to use a tool that has safety checks?
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17:07.30micolsjelly-home: i got it almost for free and it has served me many years now :)
17:07.46micolsalthough most of the electrolyts are overcooked :)
17:07.55jelly-homemicols: how many of the years were spent fixing issues? :-)
17:07.59micolsand onboard net etc is dead because of it
17:08.25micolsjelly-home: i spent a almost month debugging my server because of a bad ram block :)
17:08.38micolsi was sure i had memtested it, but apparently not long enough :)
17:08.49jelly-homeserved you ... badly!
17:08.56micolsunder certain conditions it did go down in seconds.
17:09.10micolsas it was heavily loaded (sql)
17:09.12micolsand nfs shares.
17:09.34blubberdiblubargh, yeah, i can tell about bad ram. it learned me one thing - to be more paranoid about it ;)
17:09.40micolsi replaced controller and disk before i found out it was bad ram :)
17:09.45micolsits my home server.
17:10.34micolsthe computer was apparently stable, except for very heavy disk activity
17:10.43micolselse it could remain stable.
17:10.55micolswith prime testing and memtesting, that didn't hurt it.
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17:11.38micolsit was actually nfs kernel server which would crash only
17:11.50micolsit worked with nfs user server and was stable :)
17:12.08micolsunfortunately nfs user server is too limited for my use with thin client workstation.
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17:12.25toad_how do i tell kmail to use a different key for signing/encrypting?
17:12.47toad_oh doh
17:12.47toad_sorry
17:12.58toad_looked through the dialogs ... except for the one where it is :)
17:13.13toad_Identities/Modify.../Cryptography for anyone who cares
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17:17.11gigohow can I find out whether msttcorefonts is being used to render my text or not ?
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17:18.41Lagboltgigo, hmm i used to know that. there is a site. let me see if i can find it
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17:24.15Level2Techi haters
17:24.29Level2Tecanyone in gustavs path????????????????????????????????/
17:24.56gigoI have a Mobile Intel Graphics card. what should I mention as the device driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
17:25.01hoxuLevel2Tec, we don't handle drug abuse cases here.
17:25.21newsenseintel
17:25.35gigonewsense: if I mention intel and do /etc/init.d/gdm start, it never starts.
17:25.46gigoit crashes with messages like device not found at PCI 0:2:0
17:25.48Gnurduxwont it autodetect the driver?
17:25.50Gnurduxohh
17:26.02gigothe default driver mentioned in xorg.conf is "vesa"
17:26.04Gnurduxthe problem is probably the line saying that its at PCI 0:2:0
17:26.13Gnurduxgigo, if you remove that line it should use intel though
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17:26.25DeepaIs it possible to run wine headless?
17:26.31Gnurduxdebian's default config might use vesa
17:26.32gigoGnurdux: ok. could you please explain the PCI 0:2:0 thing again?
17:26.41Gnurduxwell pastebin xorg.cong
17:26.43Gnurdux*xorg.conf
17:26.45gigook
17:27.55gigoGnurdux: http://pastebin.com/m163caad8
17:28.36Gnurdux<PROTECTED>
17:28.52gigoGnurdux: so what is wrong with it? It works fine with "vesa"
17:28.59Gnurduxi dunno
17:29.02gigowhy doesn't it work fine with "intel" or "i810"
17:29.03gigook
17:29.04Gnurduxvesa might ignore it
17:29.07Gnurduxtry removing that line
17:29.17gigoso I should remove PCI:0:2:0 ?
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17:29.54gigoGnurdux: should I remove the vesa line or PCI line?
17:30.05Gnurduxthe pci
17:30.09Gnurduxswitch the vesa to intel
17:30.11Gnurduxsee if it works
17:30.18gigook
17:30.35octox2I just hooked up a wide screen LCD, and I am not sure how to set it up in xorg.conf, shouldnt I be able to run nvidia-settings and have it set it up for me ?
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17:31.20octox2or, should I delet all but the resolution I want for the selected default depth in xorg ?
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17:34.42octox2when i do nvidia-settings -glxinfo , it says it cant open the display hmm ?
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17:35.09gigoremoving PCI line did not help
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17:37.44gigohow can I find out what PCI line to put in xorg.conf ?
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17:39.06GludggenHello, I'm experiencing severe problems with the latest testing kernel  2.6.26-1-686
17:39.43Gludggenthose being frequent, seemingly random panics
17:40.01nkuttlerGludggen: boot a different kernel
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17:43.38Level2Techoxu I guess that means youre out of luck then.
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17:46.53karlpincgigo : lspci
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17:49.58gigoThis is my lspci output: http://pastebin.com/m17daa0df - Which one is the graphics card?
17:50.12gigooh, the second one
17:50.24gigoit says 00:02.0, so what should I enter as the PCI line in xorg.conf ?
17:51.40wols_gigo: nothing
17:52.23gigowols_: if I enter Driver "intel" and no PCI line, then gdm start fails
17:52.53wols_unless you have more than one vga card, the bus id is irrelevnat
17:52.57Gludggennkuttler: it works! Do I get to report a bug now ? What should I put in the report other than the kernel panics randomly expect when starting the X server, at which point it always panics?
17:52.58gigowith PCI 0:2:0 also, the gdm start fails
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17:53.14gigowols_: okay. so what should I do to make intel driver work.
17:53.25gigomine is: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
17:53.34wols_Gludggen: what video driver?
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17:53.46wols_!tell gigo about errors
17:54.08gigowols_: okay, I'll try restarting again and give you the error
17:54.32wols_gigo: no need. just start X
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17:54.40Gludggenwols_: xorg I think. Anyway, no driver is listed in xorg.conf
17:54.52Gludggenwols_: how to check?
17:54.59wols_Gludggen: xorg is no driver. and no matter what, there always is a driver used for X
17:55.04wols_check the logs
17:55.22Gludggenwols_: I know, I'm saying it will be whatever the default is. It is a fresh install
17:55.27Z4ndXHas anyone installed Debian on af Dell XPS M1330 ?...
17:55.44wols_Gludggen: there is no "default"
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17:56.17Z4ndX??
17:56.27Z4ndXwols_: Whats your point ?
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17:56.43wols_your point is you asked some stupid questions
17:56.46tlmillerZ4ndX, what is your real question?
17:56.51wols_which I told you why it was stupid
17:57.08wols_Gludggen: well?
17:57.52gigowols_: here is the error: http://pastebin.com/m7e6b913a
17:58.04Z4ndXtlmiller: I installed Debian on my M1330 and just cant get the wireless part to work. Iv been googled it all day.
17:58.09Gludggenwols_: found this in logs:
17:58.10Gludggen<PROTECTED>
17:58.10Gludggen(==) Matched radeon for the autoconfigured driver
17:58.10Gludggen(==) Assigned the driver to the xf86ConfigLayout
17:58.10Gludggen(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so
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17:58.20hoxu!tell gludggen about paste
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17:58.53gigowols_: and this is the xorg.conf file: http://pastebin.com/m1107cf34
17:59.22tlmillerZ4ndX, what are the symptoms?
17:59.33tlmillere.g. what have you tried?
17:59.35octox2is there a way to auto find your monitor?
17:59.41wols_Z4ndX: which wlan chip?
17:59.55octox2does linux not suport 1440X900 resolution ?
18:00.05wols_gigo: tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
18:00.24gigowols_: dpkg-reconfigure adds "vesa" as driver and it does not show "i810" or "intel" in the driver list
18:00.29Z4ndXWell.. the nat applet is running but no wireless networks are showing.. Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965
18:00.29maligoroctox2, yes and yes
18:00.29octox2ahhhh, sweet, will try now
18:00.54wols_gigo: dpkg -l |grep xserver-xorg-video
18:01.06wols_Z4ndX: what nat applet?
18:01.08octox2should nvidia-xconfig do the sam thing?
18:01.09Z4ndXAnd wireless is enabled
18:01.14Z4ndXNetapplet..
18:01.21wols_Z4ndX: what kernel version?
18:01.34Z4ndX2.6.26-1-686
18:01.43wols_!tell Z4ndX about iwlwifi
18:01.45gigowols_: http://pastebin.com/m3a86ada9
18:01.59Gludggenwols_: anything else you want? I'm going to bug report it...
18:02.03pothiboI'm trying to use the latest madwifi driver from madwifi's website.. it compiles fine. when I do make install it asks me to remove the old driver which I answer 'yes' to but then after doing modprobe ath_pci and modinfo ath_pci I still get the version 0.9.3 how can I install 0.9.4 properly ??
18:02.06gigowols_: # uname -a
18:02.06gigoLinux nifty 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 11:36:53 CEST 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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18:02.16wols_Gludggen: you didn't give anything I asked
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18:02.45Z4ndXDamn that ! function is cool :) .. Okay thanks i will try that
18:02.53wols_gigo: see line 13 of your paste. and your kernel is severely outdated. update your debian. dist upgrade even
18:02.55Gludggenwols_:  that line I posted --  (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so
18:03.13Gludggenwols_: so my driver is radeon_drv isn't it?
18:03.22wols_Gludggen: lspci -nn
18:03.28gigowols_: so for that I have to dist-upgrade to lenny.
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18:03.34wols_gigo: no
18:03.54wols_gigo: you don't have security.debian.org in your sources.list
18:03.58protocolsis there anybody here with xfce and using randr? I have problems with the compositor, my second head stays blur
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18:04.15gigowols_: I have. will it upgrade kernel also?
18:05.18wols_gigo: if you update properly, yes
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18:05.23gigook
18:06.03Gludggenwols_: http://pastebin.com/mc909a0b
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18:06.58Z4ndXwols_: Thanks man.. That really helped :) Thanks alot
18:07.00Lagboltprotocols, i use it, but not the compositor
18:07.14wols_Gludggen: radeon/ati but also vesa and fglrx are possible to use
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18:07.34Lagboltprotocols, i could turn it on.  can you tell me exactly what you are doing to get blur?
18:07.39emmais there anything like, 'ubuntu-restricted-extras' to get most media stuff working right away in Debian?
18:07.49wols_emma: no
18:07.52emmalike flash and such? a package for that? a metapackage perhaps
18:07.54emma?
18:07.56wols_!tell emma about dmm
18:08.12wols_there are packages for all this yes, but not a meta package to install all at once
18:08.17wols_!tell emma about flash
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18:08.52emmadoes debian take a more strict approach to free software than Ubuntu?
18:08.54Gludggenwols_: you are saying I should boot into 2.6.26-1-686 and switch the video driver to vesa. I should still bug report this though shouldn't I
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18:09.04hoxu!tell emma about dfsg
18:09.10gigowols_: I tried Driver "i810"
18:09.12tlmillerAre [panic] questions about soft-raid and fsck failures pretty common? (I'm trying to weigh if I want to give linux-raid a go)
18:09.13gigoI get the same error
18:09.20wols_Gludggen: no I just told you your options
18:09.56wols_gigo: could be your videocard is too new for debian stable which is 2 years old by now
18:09.59hoxu!tell emma about flashplugin-nonfree
18:10.02gigowols_: ok
18:10.25gigoI set "nameserver 127.0.0.1" everytime in /etc/resolv.conf but after sometime it becomes "192.168.1.1" yet. how can I set 127.0.0.1 permanently?
18:10.36gigoI did chmod a-r /etc/resolv.conf too, but it did not work
18:10.45barnumdhcp setting it?
18:10.46wols_gigo: fix your dhclient.conf
18:10.51barnumwhat wols said
18:10.54gigothe namserver was changed to the one given by dhcp again
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18:12.47pothiboI have the source of a program, how do I install it via dpkg ?
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18:13.06hoxupothibo, you don't, dpkg only installs debs
18:13.45pothibohoxu: how do I make a debs from a source file ?
18:13.56Lagboltpothibo, checkinstall
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18:14.09Lagbolt!tell pothibo about checkinstall
18:14.09pothiboLagbolt: ?
18:14.39Gludggenquit
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18:15.11Lagboltpothibo, you compile your src then instead of make install you can use checkinstall to biuld a deb
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18:15.45pothiboLagbolt: okay nice
18:16.40pothiboLagbolt: apparently, checkinstall shouldn't be used...
18:16.50pothiboaccording to the forum entry dpkg gave me
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18:17.11Lagboltyeah? well you asked what you could use. i have used it and it works. but maybe there is something better for ya
18:17.38Lagboltpothibo, did you ask dpkg about stow?
18:17.39tlmillerpothibo, does it say 'why' it shouldn't be used?
18:18.10tlmillerI've never used it, and was interested when Lagbolt mentioned it
18:18.35pothibotlmiller: no.. but it makes a reference to a Martin Krafft's book
18:18.46pothiboLagbolt: yeah..
18:18.56Lagboltpothibo, you using etch?
18:19.12pothiboLagbolt: yes
18:19.29Lagboltah well it is not in etch anyway
18:19.35Lagboltread about stow
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18:22.20jelly-homepothibo: checkinstall doesn't create packages that adhere to debian's packaging policies
18:22.50jelly-homepothibo: ... so many of the benefits are lost
18:23.01pothibojelly-home: okay.
18:23.20Lagboltjelly-home, does that cause serious harm?  i have never had a problem with it.
18:23.44jelly-homeall it does is collect the files that were created/changed, and make a package out of that
18:24.19jelly-homeLagbolt: it might if it messes with other packages' data
18:25.00Lagboltjelly-home, if it is just collecting files for that package how would it conflict?  i assume if you are installing a compiled version of something debian already packages?
18:25.10pothiboIs it normal that after uninstalling a module it is still listed in modules.pcimap ?
18:25.21Lagboltjelly-home, i only use it on small compiled software such as bot sentry , things that are not in debian packages
18:26.28jelly-homeLagbolt: your "make install" might add stuff in other places in /etc.  Or the built binary might use libraries, but not track the library dependencies and break in funny ways on apt upgrades
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18:27.11Lagboltah i see. might be good practice to remove checkinstalled debs before upgrading perhaps
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18:29.40pauldoois there an easy way when "apt-get install"-ing to specify that I'd like all "Recommends" and "Suggests" packages to get installed too?  (non-recursively)
18:29.54protocolsLagbolt, I am not doing anything special :) I am just adding via xrandr my second monitor/head
18:30.05gigoI added: supersede domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; to /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf; For sometime, /etc/resolv.conf contained 127.0.0.1 correctly. But now again, /etc/resolv.conf has turned back to 192.168.1.1. who is changing this file again and again automatically?
18:30.08protocolsthe laptop screen is ok, but the second head is blur except the mouse cursor
18:30.13Eulexpauldoo, can't do it non-recursively, afaik, other than doing it manually
18:30.37protocolsthis used to work fine on xubuntu hardy, but after installing debian lenny + xfce4 it does not work anymore
18:30.57protocolswithout compositor it works fine (both heads)
18:30.59hoxugigo, do you have multiple dhcp clients running?
18:31.08hoxugigo, ps aux |grep [d]hclient
18:31.52gigohoxu: 13510 ?        00:00:00 dhclient
18:31.52gigo22706 ?        00:00:00 dhclient3
18:32.04gigoyes. how can I remove dhclient forever?
18:32.21hoxugigo, what did you do after editing dhclient.conf?
18:32.28pauldooEulex: how about recursively then?
18:32.44gigohoxu: after editing dhclient.conf I ran dhclient3
18:33.45hoxugigo, you are doing it wrong; network interfaces are handled in /etc/network/interfaces, if you modify the config you should run "ifdown <iface>; ifup <iface>" instead
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18:34.00gigohoxu: oh
18:34.07hoxugigo, except in this case you want to kill the extra dhclient before bringing it up again
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18:34.48gigo# ifdown eth1
18:34.48gigoifdown: interface eth1 not configured
18:34.54gigowhy is this error coming?
18:35.07hoxugigo, the problem is that the old dhclient wasn't killed, so it's fighting with the new one over resolv.conf
18:35.23gigoifconfig shows eth1 to be having the ip address
18:35.25gigoeth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:1D:72:39:34:41
18:35.25gigo<PROTECTED>
18:35.44hoxugigo, well, kill all dhclients and "ifup eth1"
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18:36.19gigo# ifup eth1
18:36.19gigoIgnoring unknown interface eth1=eth1.
18:37.15hoxugigo, show us your /etc/network/interfaces
18:37.37jelly-homethat was eth0
18:37.39jelly-home:-)
18:37.43hoxu:-)
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18:38.45gigo# ifup eth1
18:38.48gigoIgnoring unknown interface eth1=eth1.
18:38.53gigohoxu: see ^
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18:39.22hoxugigo, show us your /etc/network/interfaces - and how do you get connectivity in the first place? :p
18:39.29OpenTokixgigo: check your udev-rules
18:39.41hoxugigo, you aren't running dhclient manually, are you?
18:40.07gigohoxu: I have now killed both dhclient
18:40.35gigohoxu: auto lo
18:40.36gigoiface lo inet loopback
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18:40.46hoxugigo, nothing else?
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18:40.57Deepa|AwayIs there any application to trick another application that X is running, so it can run headless?
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18:41.04gigohoxu: nothing else
18:41.36gigoI am getting the connectivity using an ethernet cable. I get IP address, etc. from DHCP
18:41.38hoxugigo, add "auto eth1" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" lines to the end
18:41.55hoxugigo, yes, but I guess you are running "dhclient eth1" manually
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18:42.18gigono, when I start Debian, it gets the ip address automatically for eth1 too
18:42.31\amethystDeepa|Away:  xvfb is X with a virtual framebuffer
18:42.33shortDotHi, I tried to burn a bootable cd-rom with "cdrecord -v speed=16 dev=right-dev image.iso", the iso is a image of a bootable cd, what should I read?
18:42.39hoxugigo, oh, network-manager or something?
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18:42.59storm-zenAnyone here use exaile?  I enabled a plugin to take it out of the task bar (thinking it would dock), and it just disappeared instead... now I've got music playing but can't get to the player...
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18:43.03gigohoxu: yes, newtork-manager.
18:43.19gigohoxu: can I set nameserver using network-manager
18:43.21Deepa|Away\amethyst, and it doesn't require X in any way?
18:43.21hoxugigo, in that case maybe "invoke-rc.d network-manager restart" could work, but I don't really know
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18:43.36pothiboanyone here running madwifi an hostapd with WPA2 as an access point ?
18:44.28hoxu!polls
18:44.29dpkg"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>
18:44.44pothibohoxu: if I ask my question straight up no one's gonna answer...
18:44.55shortDotanyone know something about burning bootable cd's? Have done google, but could not find conclusive info
18:45.12shortDothave only one cd left (2 wasted)
18:45.17wols_shortDot: ask a real question
18:45.20simonrvntry the cdrecord or wodim man page...
18:45.23shortDotHi, I tried to burn a bootable cd-rom with "cdrecord -v speed=16 dev=right-dev image.iso", the iso is a image of a bootable cd, what should I read?
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18:45.28wols_shortDot: and a debian related one
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18:45.53wols_shortDot: what files are on that cd now?
18:46.03jelly-homeshortDot: if you have a ready-made bootable .iso image, that's pretty much it
18:46.13SurfCatapt-get upgrade to 2.6.26, reboot and ... wtf?
18:46.16shortDotwols_: yes, this was  little off, but I just thought you guys could have some good ideas..
18:46.18jberghey, can any of you watch any of these streams? i tried with mplayer, both streaming and downloading the stream, but mplayer quits after about 5 minutes.. http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Electrical-Engineering-and-Computer-Science/6-046JFall-2005/LectureNotes/
18:46.22SurfCatsome things never change
18:46.25jelly-homeshortDot: did you create the image yourself?
18:46.35shortDotwols_: yes, files are thre
18:46.47wols_shortDot: answer my question!
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18:47.09shortDotjelly-home: its a downloaded image, that should boot
18:47.09hoxupothibo, I don't see how asking two questions is going to help with that. You need patience with helpdesk channels, if no one is answering your question may not be good (/msg dpkg sicco) or no one knows the answer
18:47.42shortDotwols_: all files that should be there is present
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18:47.51protocolsdoes anybody have a good tutorial for making compiz work with ati + randr?
18:47.56protocolse.g. dual head setup?
18:48.01wols_shortDot: since you cannot answer a question, help yourself
18:48.05jelly-homeshortDot: is its checksum, pgp signature, or whatever the verification the source uses correct?
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18:48.32shortDothoxu: verbose mode did not complain at all, no fifo errors all put and gets matched and 5% df left on cd.
18:48.32jelly-homeshortDot: where have you downloaded it from?
18:48.47shortDotwols_: verbose mode did not complain at all, no fifo errors all put and gets matched and 5% df left on cd.
18:48.56shortDothoxu: sorry
18:49.00LagboltshortDot, you downloaded an ISO?  you can burn those with any number of tools.  k3b, xfburn , nautilus-cd-burner or command line tools like wodim
18:49.12wols_shortDot: stop talking to me if answering a simple question is above your capability. thank you
18:49.20pothiboioctl[IEEE80211_IOCTL_SETMLME]: Invalid argument Could not connect to kernel driver. Deauthenticate all stations
18:49.20shortDotLagobolt: I used cdrecorder
18:49.24LagboltshortDot, you should try to loopback mount your iso and check it out
18:49.48shortDotLagobolt: loppback mount is what in versus to normal mount?
18:49.55shortDot*loopback
18:50.00jelly-homeshortDot: in any case, there is no special step in burning a bootable iso image, compared to a nonbootable one
18:50.05pothiboI have the following error when launching hostapd: ioctl[IEEE80211_IOCTL_SETMLME]: Invalid argument Could not connect to kernel driver. Deauthenticate all stations, it seems to be connected with hostapd tyring to set the channel and rate of the wireless NIC. any idea on how to solve this ?
18:50.06gigodd if=my.iso of=/dev/cdrom  - should also work for buring ISOs on cd, isn't it?
18:50.11pothibohoxu: better ?
18:50.15wols_gigo: no
18:50.25gigowols_: then? of=/dev/sdc ?
18:50.37wols_hifi: none of these will work
18:50.45shortDotjelly-home: I have checked the dl and verified myself the iso is ok by using it and giving it to a friend ( :( ).
18:51.00hifiwols_: k
18:51.08hoxupothibo, seems like a good start to me, but I don't think I can help you there. My only guess would be kernel not having support for something
18:51.35LagboltshortDot, if you are sure it works, how about telling use the command you used to burn it that did not work
18:51.44pothibohoxu: it's not.. already been there but ty
18:51.47jelly-homeshortDot: if it worked for him, that's pretty much it
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18:52.00jelly-homeshortDot: where did you download it from?
18:52.00wols_hifi: was for gigo, sorry
18:52.02gentlyninjahow can i automount a usbstick so that i can have it read/write as normal user?
18:52.02shortDotjelly-home, Lagobalt, wols_: thanks for helping me off topic.. I'll try one of jellys alternatives if they are not cdrecorder skins
18:52.08wols_hifi: he's very aptly named btw
18:52.35shortDotjelly-home: thepiratebay.org, as I said the actual file is the same
18:52.35gigowho me?
18:53.29shortDotLagbolt: Last time was Nero, got no combination of nero + working burner etc.. It's a mess here :/
18:53.47pothiboshortDot: k3b does it
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18:54.33shortDotpothibo: saw some negative input on google about k3b and booting, but then again that goes for Nero too.. so, I'll try
18:54.36LagboltshortDot, the piratebay eh.  what exactly are you burning
18:54.47jelly-homeshortDot: did you burn it as user or as root?
18:55.03jelly-homeshortDot: just for fun, try doing it as root
18:55.05shortDotand then I'll try to grub-boot me into some kinda a shell
18:55.11pothiboshortDot: I always burn my distro CD with k3b
18:55.13shortDotwinxp
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18:55.23LagboltshortDot, winxp eh
18:55.24jelly-homeLagbolt: some warez, obviously
18:55.27shortDotpothibo: ok, then it is set
18:55.29LagboltshortDot, well that does it for me
18:55.52shortDotjelly-home: no, got license, but xp is not sold media included
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18:56.09pothiboshortDot: shouldn't try to get help with illegal stuf here.. you'll get banned. It's not a warez channel here
18:56.24jelly-homefreenode, as in the network, has a very strong policy against warez
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18:56.36shortDotjelly-home: actually called microsoft and asked to buy medi
18:56.40shortDot*media
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18:57.16jelly-homeshortDot: can you mount a burned cd and read off all the files?
18:57.28hoxuit does not matter what someone is trying to burn, sheesh
18:57.48shortDotjelly-home: yes
18:58.06jelly-homeshortDot: ... did it work?  how did you read all the file?
18:58.09jelly-homefiles*?
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18:59.25storm-zenJust installed exaile... added a plug in to take the task bar entry out (expecting it to dock it like amarok), and now I can't get to the player anymore... I'm sure I just don't know how... anyone use exaile?
18:59.33wols_storm-zen: what debian version?
18:59.34shortDotjelly-home: "mount /dev; cd /media/cdrom; ls -R ." and visual check made me convinced + no fail vrobose cdrecorder burn
19:00.01storm-zenwols_: Not debian.  I was hoping this was a known cross-distro problem.
19:00.11jelly-homeshortDot: although, that didn't read all the files, just the directory structure;
19:00.18wols_storm-zen: we only support debian. ask in your distro's channel
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19:00.28storm-zenwols_: More specifically, I was hoping this was a stupid user issue.
19:00.56wols_storm-zen: the stupidity was asking here without running debian. all clear now?
19:01.03shortDotjelly-home: du says the files are filled with something.
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19:01.10jelly-homeshortDot: find /media/cdrom -type f -print0 |xargs -0 -n1 -iX cp -v X /dev/null
19:01.44jelly-homeshortDot: all of that is written in the directory structure; du is not actually reading the data in the file
19:01.46storm-zennope.  I don't subscribe to that philosophy.  It's not like I'm not trying to look it up at the same time that i'm asking.
19:01.48jelly-homefiles*
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19:02.10wols_storm-zen: but WE do. now either install debian or go away
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19:03.54jelly-homestorm-zen: this _is_ a support channel for debian users, mind.  there's a lot of context you might have that isn't present in debian, or the problem might be fixed
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19:04.45storm-zenjelly-home: That is true.  At the same time, however, it is still linux, and there could have been a general resolution.  point taken, though.
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19:05.06wols_storm-zen: if you want linux help, go to ##linux
19:05.25storm-zenK.
19:05.29jelly-homestorm-zen: if you're not running this distro at all, it's likely noone will bother to even check.  Debian has a lot of custom patches to fix wha they consider upstream problems
19:06.05shortDotjelly-home: copying a load to /dev/null and it spins like a tornado
19:06.13jelly-homeshortDot: that's great
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19:07.45jelly-homeshortDot: if it doesn't report any errors, it means all the files are readable and it's very likely it was burned correctly
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19:09.22tymonnhi there
19:09.44jelly-homeshortDot: your cdrecord command line is pretty basic, and ought to work.  it could be a problem with the original image
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19:10.51shortDotjelly-home: ok, then I'll redownload it before retry (found that image satisfying many a time, cause cd's dissapear easily)
19:10.55jelly-homeshortDot: if your machine is really old (like P1/133, maybe P2 time), it might have issues booting from that iso.  ask Microsoft for support :->
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19:11.33shortDotjelly-home: I installed etch with bootble cd, worked great
19:11.56shortDotjelly-home: but it is a nero product and "more sure"
19:11.59jelly-homeshortDot: so why do you need xp! :->
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19:12.36shortDotjelly-home: gf likes it, I use it to play one game some times (counter-strike)
19:12.44jelly-homeruns MS Office crap in crossover office
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19:13.18jelly-homeI don't know whether CS is supported in Crossover Games
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19:14.23jelly-homeand the gf issue is out of the scope of this channel
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19:14.36shortDotjelly-home: could  directx9 game like c-s run in a app like that on a; AMD X2 6000+, 4GB RAM, Geforce 8600GTS?
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19:16.07jelly-homeshortDot: http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxgames/ says the software supports it; I have no idea about the hardware
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19:17.02shortDotjelly-home: if it flies, then I could stop trying to install xp, NICE:>
19:17.04EulexshortDot, uh, counterstrike is hardly dx9. or do you mean cs source?
19:18.24shortDotEulex: Source.. :) Figured no one cared here, and too much care felt like a permaban for sure
19:18.26shortDot:P
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19:21.27shortDotEnough off topic for me.. Defintely good experience, thanks :)
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19:22.18monobugany tips for a cool program that can convert various film formats to -ogg?
19:22.25monobugi.e ogv to ogg
19:22.32extorIs there any way in linux to read the SPD of my RAM? From any of the /proc/ data?
19:22.42jelly-home!whats my hardware
19:22.42dpkgYou can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny!
19:23.16jelly-homeextor: maybe dmidecode or something else from that list
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19:28.25peppesince which version openssh in debian is not vulnerable to the ssl bug? packages.d.n seems down from here so I can't read the changelogs
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19:30.48vsayikirani am using dell latitude laptop can anyone tell me if intel gma 945 chipset will run compiz or not
19:31.17jelly-homepeppe: "/msg dpkg dsa1571" (it's in the topic!) will point you to a security announcement
19:31.51vsayikirani want install compiz in my dell latitude laptop, please help me whether intel GMA 945GM chipset will run compiz smoothly or not
19:31.56peppejelly-home: oh, sorry, the topic is a long way back in the log...
19:32.16jelly-home!tell vsayikiran -about repeat
19:33.15peppevsayikiran: well, intel cards have basic 3d acceleration, so I'd guess yes
19:33.39vsayikiranjelly-home: new ppl may be joining the channel so i thought of repeating question
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19:34.06vsayikiranpeppe: according to compiz shoould run smoothly
19:34.24vsayikiranpeppe: i have 1gb RAM
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19:34.57peppevsayikiran: don't expect extraordinary performance and/or the ability of rendering 3d stuff in compiz, afaik it's broken and waiting for dri2
19:35.24fr33n0d3hey guys, i need a cli ftp client that can do multiple files/folders upload recursively, it seems stand alone ftp command doesn't cut it,   any ideas?
19:35.48peppevsayikiran: the RAM isn't a issue, here compiz is using 12MB RSS
19:36.09peppefr33n0d3: ncftp or pratically every GUI program
19:36.16vsayikiranpeppe: i dont want any extraordinary performance, atleast when i am running compiz in background it should not hang my system
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19:36.21lewis2I'm getting the following error for my rails app: "mod_fcgid: read data from fastcgi server error" - even though 'ruby public/dispatch.fcgi' works fine and ./script/server works fine too. Any ideas?
19:36.32peppevsayikiran: it won't, just use updated graphics drivers
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19:37.17vsayikiranpeppe: from where i will get updated drivers, afaik drivers are prelaoded along with linux kernel
19:37.24OrbixxHow would one remove the Gnome Desktop Environment using APT?
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19:37.38abrotman!remove gnome
19:37.38dpkg[remove gnome] aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common
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19:37.50vsayikiranOrbixx: apt-get --purge remove gnome-core
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19:39.10vsayikiranwhen lenny is going to be released, does it include any 3D graphics rendering package
19:39.19arfok debian noob here, why the heck is there no kernel headers package for the stock kernel for lenny?
19:39.26peppevsayikiran: and X. I mean, use >= lenny, not etch
19:40.23vsayikiranpeppe: you mean i need to update my debian etch to unstable or experimental
19:40.31peppevsayikiran: to lenny
19:40.56vsayikiranpeppe: since lenny is not released yet i have to wait
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19:41.04jelly-homevsayikiran: will it run?  yes.  smoothly, I have no idea about.  My (older) i915 can just run it, but it's too slow for most effects
19:41.13Orbixxvsayikiran: Thank you.
19:41.39jelly-homevsayikiran: or upgrade to it now and hope nothing much breaks
19:41.39unoparf, try.  aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
19:41.47arfi did that
19:41.48vsayikiranpeppe: anyway when lenny  will be released as stable
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19:41.52jelly-home!wwlr
19:41.52dpkgLenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status>
19:42.09tymonnis there any problem with ATI and 2.6.26 ?? it doesnt work when i install the latest ATI drivers from ati.com site
19:42.24arfarf@Apathy:~$ apt-cache search $(uname -r)
19:42.25arflinux-image-2.6.25-2-686 - Linux 2.6.25 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
19:42.29arfthere's no package.
19:42.55unop!info linux-headers-2.6-686 lenny
19:43.03unophrm
19:43.08MacGyverNLIs there a gcc backport for etch?
19:43.21MacGyverNLOr should I just build from source if I want to update gcc?
19:43.28dpkglinux-headers-2.6-686: (Header files for Linux 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.26+15 (lenny), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB
19:43.37unoparf, ^^
19:43.49unoparf, sounds like you have some repos missing/disabled.
19:44.18vsayikiranjelly-home: i am not in a hurry to try lenny, but out of curiosity i want to know which 3D rendering package is include with lenny. e.g. compiz or beryl or smth else
19:44.21arfwhich repos?
19:44.51dmoernervsayikiran, compiz-fusion
19:45.02arfi'm using these:
19:45.08arfdeb http://http.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free
19:45.08arfdeb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free
19:45.25arfthat and the security.debian.org stuff that gets put in there by default.
19:45.38antgelweird issue with new laptop.  have grub installed and am quad-booting various OSs with debian as my primary.  however, after a couple of days, suddenly it's not booting the hard drive even though the BIOS is set appropriately.  weird thing is that if i boot sysrescuecd and tell it to just boot the first hard disk, it works.  how could i debug this?
19:45.39abrotman!info compiz lenny
19:45.41dpkgcompiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.7.6-5 (lenny), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 60 kB
19:45.48antgelabrotman: yo chap
19:46.14unoparf, have you updated apt ?
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19:46.29antgeli'm tempted to flash the bios, but it's not exactly inspiring confidence in this machine
19:46.42arfyes.
19:46.49arffirst thing i tried actually
19:47.14vsayikirandmoerner: etch does not include compiz-fusion package, it just has compiz-core which package should i install
19:47.25abrotmanantgel: bonjour !
19:47.27MacGyverNLantgel: Reinstall grub would be the first thing I'd try I think.
19:47.39dmoernervsayikiran, you asked about lenny. compiz is in etch.
19:48.10shyam_kvsayikiran: i think you can go for simply compiz package in etch
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19:48.35antgelMacGyverNL: done that, also from sysrescuecd.  grub-install completes fine.  and why would grub work when booted from sysrescuecd, but not directly from the bios?
19:48.42antgelabrotman: how you doing dude?
19:48.42vsayikirandmoerner: yes you are right, compiz is in etch . i want to know whether i can isntall compiz in etch and later upgrade to compiz-fusion in stable lenny
19:48.48monobugis there a log for this irc chat somewhere?
19:48.51abrotmanantgel: okeedokee
19:48.57abrotmanmonobug: not public
19:49.01MacGyverNLIf I want a newer gcc version (I've searched the backports site), do I have to build from source, or is there another way?
19:49.08antgelabrotman: okely dokely?
19:49.12monobugabrotman, so, not obtainable?
19:49.14dmoernervsayikiran, yes. however, there is no metapackage that will automatically install the extra compiz-fusion plugins when you switch to lenny. you will have to do it manually
19:49.15tymonnis there any problem with ATI and 2.6.26 ?? it doesnt work when i install the latest ATI drivers from ati.com site
19:49.18abrotmanmonobug: what do you want?
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19:49.27abrotmanantgel: no .. okeedokee
19:49.29dmoernertymonn, ati has worked with 2.6.26 since 8.7-2 in the debian repos
19:49.34antgelabrotman: suit yourself :)
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19:49.44monobugsome guy helped with my /dev/dsp that was gone, he showed me this modprobe command, i forgot to memorize it
19:49.47MacGyverNLantgel: Because the sysrescuecd doesn't use the harddisk-based grub, was my thought. But if you've already done that, doesn't seem to be the problem.
19:50.08abrotmanmodprobe snd-pcm-oss ?
19:50.11unoparf, what does uname -r give you exactly?
19:50.20monobugabrotman, thank you so very much
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19:50.26antgelMacGyverNL: i think sysrescuecd doesn't know about grub on the hard disk, it just boots whatever's on there when you give it the disk1 parameter
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19:51.07arf11:50 < arf> linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 - Linux 2.6.25 image on
19:51.15pothiboI am trying to compile hostap 0.6.4 and I am missing openssl header file, anyone had that issue ?
19:51.20arf2.6.25-2-686
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19:51.28antgelpothibo: install the dev package
19:51.31abrotmanarf: should be .26
19:52.00arfok...
19:52.03daftdanyone in the mood to chat about a new feature suggestion for the package manager?
19:52.16vsayikirandmoerner: is there any metapackage in etch for compiz, so that after i upgrade etch to lenny compiz-fusion would be installed automatically
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19:52.26abrotmancompiz
19:52.45daftdbecause debian is a universal distro it confuses newcomers.
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19:53.03dmoernervsayikiran, the core compiz plugins will automatically be upgraded. however, as i already told you, i do not know of any metapackage in etch that will magically install compiz-fusion-plugins-* upon lenny ugprade
19:53.03antgelFAIL
19:53.22dmoernerdaftd, i don't think this suggestion is going to get very far given this statement but you are welcome to continue
19:53.23arfok what's the /debian way/ to upgrade the kernel?
19:53.32vsayikirandaftd: well some query, i want a package management system where there are less dependencies
19:53.35arfit didn't show up in aptitude as an upgradable package.
19:53.44zinxarf: aptitude
19:53.51zinxarf: linux-image-* are the kernels
19:54.03jelly-homearf: you just install the new one (if it's different version)
19:54.20Eulexarf, if you want to automatically install new kernel versions, use a linux-image metapackage
19:54.21vsayikirandaftd: why debian bundles so many pacakges in form of metapackage
19:54.21jelly-homearf: or, install linux-image-2.6-686
19:54.24zinxarf: there are some generic packages too that always depend on the latest version
19:54.29antgeldaftd: debian only confuses newcomers who want spoon-feeding, breast-sucking, and don't RTM and DTOR.
19:54.31Eulexdaftd, for convenience.
19:54.42Eulexeh, sorry, that was for vsayikiran
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19:54.59pothiboantgel: there's no openssl-dev package for etch..
19:55.00dmoernervsayikiran, don't use metapackages if you don't want them.
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19:55.46arfany documentation out there for how to this right?
19:56.03arfI'm a slackware guy and have been for a long time, but i wanted to try something new on the laptop.
19:56.22Eulexarf, you can read the package descriptions.
19:56.26daftdeumm sorry lost in webspace
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19:56.50vsayikirandmoerner: but there are some packages which i want to install, but due to dependencies it also installs some other package in which i am not interested
19:56.52daftdsome menu or search and select php/mysql/apache2 server. Should help
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19:57.16dmoernervsayikiran, like what? if you think there are dependencies that are not necessary you should file a bug
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19:57.47daftdsome guy installed that can directly play with php/mysql
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19:58.16daftdand the guy who made that "debian flavor" can add documentation about what he just has installed
19:58.17Eulexdaftd, did you look at tasksel?
19:58.28daftdnot in a long time
19:58.34Eulexyou should
19:58.43Eulexit does approximately that
19:59.09Eulextell it that you want a web server and you'll get a complete LAMP installation
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19:59.38Eulexoh, sorry, that's not 100% correct, the mysql server comes as a separate option
19:59.40daftdand kde or gnome
19:59.56Eulexdaftd, 'desktop environment' in tasksel
19:59.58daftdthat list is Way to slow
20:00.08daftdcant make an select on of what you want
20:00.32daftdkubuntu  or ubuntu has it.
20:00.54Eulexport it then.
20:01.40daftdport?
20:01.46daftdwhy port debian its universal
20:01.56Eulexport that feature to debian from ubuntu
20:02.16Eulexor improve tasksel
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20:02.40maligorjust install it through aptitude if you want kde
20:04.07maligorI guess the distinction is that if you know you want kde, you're probably perfectly capable of doing so
20:05.06daftdwell some times i forget to install ssh
20:05.09daftd:s
20:05.14arfok so i can just 'apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686' and it will automagically upgrade?
20:05.34daftdarf next reboot
20:06.39arfright, but it will set up the bootloader and such?
20:06.48Eulexarf, yes.
20:07.00arfsweet.
20:07.03arfbe back if it worked.
20:07.18jelly-homewoof.
20:07.28zinxyap yap
20:07.51daftddoesnt it bother you that users use debian ports only because some package selection and some etc diff
20:08.03vsayikirandatfd: i use aptitude in command line, i want a feature so that i can list packages which belong to a particular category. e.g. mail, desktop, science etc
20:08.13wols_daftd: what are "debian ports"?
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20:08.32jelly-homewols_: he means based-on- distros
20:08.45zinxdaftd: doesn't bother us at all
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20:08.57jelly-homewols_: don't be daft :->
20:08.58dmoernervsayikiran, you can do that...
20:09.15vsayikirandaftd: my doubt is whether this is possible in command line to generate a list of packages belonging to same category
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20:09.38vsayikirandmoerner: please tell me
20:09.41zinxvsayikiran: it certainly is, debian has been experimenting with tags, not sure of the current state of them
20:09.48daftdfor the expert not for they I want Debian Lamp pronto newguy
20:10.06dmoernervsayikiran, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html
20:11.05daftdAlso if newguy played around with kde tlsp enz he can revert to the Lamp config. purge every thing and the webserver runs on
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20:13.32FuriousRagewhat do i need to do to fix this? http://nopaste.servepics.com/pastebin/pastebin.php?show=1  (running inside a vmware enviroment)
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20:14.32jelly-homeFuriousRage: for starters, pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0l
20:14.33Eulex!no screen found
20:14.34jelly-homeargh
20:14.37abrotmanFuriousRage: card/driver?
20:14.39Eulex!no screens found
20:14.39dpkgrumour has it, screens found is not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or /var/log/XFree86.0.log for XFree86) more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about <troubleshooting x>.
20:14.45jelly-homeEulex: much better, thanks
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20:15.26FuriousRagelast line says "no deviced detected"
20:16.16Eulexcan you pastebin it all?
20:16.29FuriousRageno idea how to copy/paste from the console in the vmware.
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20:16.47utb_diabloEulex, does X -configure work well ?
20:17.28Eulexutb_diablo, why asking me? anyway, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is recommended...
20:17.40FuriousRagehmm maybe i need to get the vmware tools isntalled before it can detect "the screen"
20:17.59Eulex!tell FuriousRage about pastebin pipe
20:18.14vsayikiranwhy am i getting error with this command line : aptitude search ?section gnome
20:19.10Eulexvsayikiran, try aptitude search "?section (gnome)"
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20:19.32jelly-homeFuriousRage: yep, installing vmware tools will give you an "vmware" Xorg driver
20:19.48vsayikiranis there any package which will automatically erase old log files and create new ones on a timely basis?
20:19.53FuriousRagejelly: doesnt seem like its iso mounts thought
20:20.34Mr-Rvsayikiran: logrotate?
20:20.35Eulexvsayikiran, logrotate
20:20.54jelly-homeFuriousRage: hmm, or maybe I'm wrong.  Btw have you pasted your xorg.conf yet?  Is xserver-xorg-video-vmware installed?  Did you set the driver in xorg.conf?
20:21.03vsayikiranEulex: its not working i am getting error
20:21.23FuriousRagejelly: no atm im stuck in the console ;D
20:21.38Eulexvsayikiran, works here. also, 'an error' is not useful. which one?
20:23.05vsayikiranEulex: if u run aptitude search "?section (gnome)" it gives an error like "E: Regex compilation error: Invalid preceding regular expression"
20:23.26Eulexvsayikiran, it works here.
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20:24.23vsayikiranEulex: please why am i getting error
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20:25.18Eulexvsayikiran, I have no idea, sorry.
20:25.38dmoernervsayikiran, vsayikiran that works fine for me. maybe a locale problem? try with LANG=C beforehand
20:25.46vsayikiranEulex: please check whether any syntax erro is there or not
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20:26.34vsayikirandmoerner: u mean that i should export LANG=C
20:27.28dmoernervsayikiran, yes
20:27.43dmoerneror not even that. just LANG=C aptitude search ...
20:28.04Eulexalso, the version of aptitude could make a difference
20:28.08emmaIs wols_ a respected debian developer?
20:28.18vsayikirandmoerner: tell me how should i veiw the current enviro. variable
20:28.19EulexI have 0.4.11.8-1
20:28.29antgelFFS all that time to try and flash the BIOS and the Windows-only flash utility won't let me do it as it's the same version.  FUCK YOU TOSHIBA.
20:28.39dmoernervsayikiran, echo $LANG
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20:29.24vsayikiranEulex: i am using aptitude 0.4.4-4
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20:29.58jelly-homeFuriousRage: well, the bot should have told you how to do a pastebin
20:30.05antgeli'm going to try grub2, and if that doesn't work, i'm off to #hardware
20:30.14FuriousRagejelly: it did, but dont have network access yet in the vm >.<
20:30.14jelly-home!test
20:30.14dpkgTest Failed.
20:30.29FuriousRagebut i managed to mount the vmware install iso and installed its stuff
20:30.38vsayikirandmoerner: currently echo $LANG == en_IN
20:30.46jelly-homeFuriousRage: so make the network work first
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20:31.12dmoernervsayikiran, those search strings are probably not supported in etch aptitude. you should try the ~ versions
20:31.19vsayikirandmoerner: but how to list all environ variable
20:31.31Eulexvsayikiran, set
20:31.46vsayikirandmoerner: so i should use the short commands ~
20:31.48dmoernervsayikiran, env
20:31.49emmaHey it says 'flashplugin-nonfree' is not available.
20:31.52wols_vsayikiran: env
20:31.54emmahow does one install that?
20:32.01dmoernerdpkg, tell emma -about adobe flash
20:32.05wols_!tell emma about non-free
20:32.09FuriousRagethere, got x to start ;d
20:33.31emmais it recommended that debian users not use flash then?
20:33.42FuriousRagethanks for the help all, with the vmware tools installed, it seemed to fix all problems i had ;d
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20:34.14jim_phello
20:34.30antgelthinks
20:35.06vsayikirandmoerner: LANG=C aptitude search "?section (gnome)" also give same error, "E: Regex compilation error: Invalid preceding regular expression", i think aptitude v0.4.4-4 does not suppport it
20:35.15antgelhmm.  have i been typing grub-install /dev/hda?  my hard disk is /dev/sda.  :-D
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20:36.18enoufwindows only what? wtf? flash this
20:36.55antgelenouf: i have a laptop boot issue ^^.  i wanted to re-flash the bios but it won't let me as it's the same version
20:37.18enoufyou do that from a boot floppy
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20:37.52antgelhistory |grep grub-install reveals that i was typing sda - i'm pleased that i didn't fuck up, i'm pissed off with the laptop which is weird
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20:38.15enoufor, learn where your cmos battery is, crack open that craptop and pull the battery (if it has one, and you can find it)
20:38.28antgelenouf: not in toshiba's world, you need to use windows program InsydeFlash(tm)
20:38.43enouf!shoot OEMs
20:38.43dpkgblows OEMs away with an Uzi
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20:39.25antgelenouf: i could try but my head is spinning ATM.  surely the BIOS is not that fragile
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20:39.53brampHi guys, I have a new laptop, and I'm having trouble install Debian. I've tried lenny b2, a old debian testing disk, and this week's debian testing disk. All of them show a boot menu, I click install, it flashs up a couple lines of boot text, and then the screen gets filled with lots of pretty colours and it appears to hang
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20:40.18wols_bramp: what hardware?
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20:40.20antgeljesus.  grub2 didn't work.  i'll try lilo.
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20:41.27brampwols_ I'm a little unsure of the exact model number. Written on the laptop is ASUS X56S, but ASUS website doesn't seem to list it. However they do list the M51Se which looks just the same
20:41.44antgellet's recap here.  it seems that any bootloader i install on the hard-disk of this laptop doesn't get booted by the bios, but booting sysrescuecd and telling it to boot the first hard disk works
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20:42.23bramphttp://bramp.pastebin.com/f130c40cb is a list of hardware that I thought might be important. I obtained this list from the install Vista
20:42.36enoufantgel: your recovery/diagnostic/restore partition is likely to blame
20:42.39killownI am using debian etch and I can't apt-get update because it not connect I have tryied other repositories but does not connect it's  very strange because I can ping on host but not connect with apt anyone can help me?
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20:43.06enoufwipe the drive - start fresh
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20:43.50jpinxantgel: just a thought - did you check your BIOS settings ?
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20:45.04antgelenouf: hmm.  that's an interesting thought - i did leave that partition on the hard disk - i wanted to leave it there - it's sitting quietly as sda1.  but i wonder - i did hear of some setting.  i'll have a look now but the bios is somewhat simple
20:46.28CidtheCalculatorI have a new laptop as well, and I'm experiencing something unusual.  The built-in audio hardware on this machine is too new, so ALSA doesn't work.  I just earlier on tried to install mpd, just to have it around for other reasons until drivers that allowed my sound to work existed, but mpd had a conniption fit as a result of the fact that ALSA doesn't work, and the installation failed... but now it's like it's half-installed, so I
20:46.38antgelenouf: nothing in the BIOS that looks like it relates to this
20:46.43antgel!kill laptops
20:46.44dpkgmangles laptops with a free AOL CD
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20:47.03enoufantgel: if you can, and you want to be able to (have the option to) install windows, at some point - find whatever docs tell you how to create your own restore/install cds from that partition .. or if not possible, send achmed to toshiba hq :-P
20:47.07jpinxstrokes his laptop affectionately
20:47.45antgelenouf: also, this was working for a couple of days, until <some undefined event>.  i have created the recovery cds already.
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20:48.07enoufwipe with Zero the Hero and install ;-)
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20:48.53jpinxenouf: installing windows "later" means a reinstall of grub. Windows grabs the bootloader for itself only
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20:49.48antgelenouf: #hardware has made an interesting point.  i shall tell all when i try the recommendation
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20:50.34enoufjpinx: reinstalling grub is a piece of cake
20:51.01enoufjpinx: and anyone who installs windows gets what they deserve
20:51.08jpinxenouf: :P
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20:52.21emmawols_: are you a debian developer?
20:52.21jpinxenouf: virtualbox is probably going to replace dual boot for me ;)
20:52.37enoufjpinx: i just cleaned an XPoop puter for a friend .. what a mess - but my prior windows cleaning exp, from years ago paid off
20:53.03enoufbut .. it's still as stupid as it ever was
20:53.43jpinxhopes XP will run in virtualbox with minimum problems
20:54.06dmoernerjpinx, i run it full time here in virtualbox puel 1.6.5
20:54.12dmoerners/1.6.5/1.6.4
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20:54.57jpinxdmoerner: cool - I'm on limited hardware, is my only issue P111 500Mhz, 256 RAM
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20:55.22dmoernerjpinx, that will fail miserably. its passable on a 1.2ghz pentium m with a 1gb of ram
20:55.29dmoerneri do most of my work in virtualbox on a dual core with 4gigs
20:55.30enoufhahaha
20:56.00enoufhugs his p2 350 with debian sid :-P
20:56.27jpinxhahaha
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20:57.14jpinxdebian is fine on it's own, and I only need XP in virtualbox for irfanview
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20:57.17enoufdmoerner: banias or dothan?
20:57.33enoufi forget the ghz for each
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20:58.16dmoernerenouf, banias for me. 1.2ghz can be either actually
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21:06.42enoufjpinx: irfanview is a great little app - however there are almost linux equivs, see gliv and flimsel (and its variants)
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21:07.34FalscherHasehi. i have installed lenny-686 on a new pc. now i have found out that it has a 64-bit cpu :-)  can i switch to amd64, e.g. using debootstrap from a live cd, without loosing config and data files?
21:08.13enoufAFAIK -you can debootstrap, but you'll have two separate installs
21:08.53pickcoderFalscherHase: it's only worth it if you have 5GB or more RAM or you are doing a lot of intensive compression/#crunching/etc
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21:09.15menogayFalscherHase, hmm, I had the same issue, some told me that unless I have more than 2gig memory it won't make  a difference, did you ever hear that.  Cause the 64bit part helps you map more memory, cause in 32 bit, the max is about 2gig, and since I only had 2gig, I didn't bother
21:09.21pickcoderor you want to developer 64-bit apps
21:09.25pickcoder-r
21:09.26menogaypickcoder, I thought it was 2gig
21:09.38pickcoderbigmem can handle up to 4 IIRC
21:09.45enouf64GB
21:09.50pickcoder64 then
21:09.51FalscherHasei have 4G RAM, that's why i would switch
21:09.52dmoernermenogay, 3gig max in 32 bit without PAE support (bigmem handles up to 64)
21:10.04enouf4GB max theoretical per process, 3G real
21:10.06FalscherHasecat /proc/meminfo shows only 3.3G
21:10.22pickcoderinstall 686-bigmem
21:10.30enouf!bigmem
21:10.30dpkg-bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram.  If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub 1GB limit.
21:10.57menogayomg, I heard 2gig, pickcoder say 5, and you say 3.  I think you are suppoesed to be able to calculate...2exp32
21:11.06enoufbut if you have only 4G and will never have more, live with 32bit
21:11.17enouflike, a Craptop situation
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21:11.56FalscherHaseok, thanks you all, i'll try bigmem. that's easier to upgrade :-)
21:11.59bramp64bit can be faster because the 64bit processors have more registers, and code compiled for them can be quicker than 32 bit code
21:12.03FalscherHase-s
21:12.03enoufmenogay: ~$ echo 2^32 | bc
21:12.03enouf4294967296
21:12.27menogayenouf, yeah, thats not it, but someting like that, you can calculate the max memory mapping
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21:12.42menogayenouf, or are you saying it is 4gig?
21:12.43enoufmenogay: 64bit cpu == 40bit
21:13.00enoufx86 anyway
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21:15.03mhaykI'm ubuntu user and a version of openssh-client that I am using is OpenSSH_4.7p1 Debian-8ubuntu1.2, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007 ... I cannot connect in one machine ... I alraedy use the strace and I active ssh -vvvv ... first I thinked that I was wronging my password... but no, the server report that was altenticate sucessfully.. and my openssh-client is freezing and the last line is: debug2: callback done
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21:15.44menogayenouf, I don't understand, do you have link, or care to explain?
21:16.58jelly-homemhayk: you'll have to use your own distro support channels
21:17.29mhaykjelly-home, ok thank's...
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21:19.59ArthurHey... I am back... and possible screwed to high heaven
21:20.55ArthurI finally managed to install Debian on my friends laptop. I freed up 4.3 gigs for the whole thing, he's got vista on a 20 Gig partition, and all his data on a 50 gig partition. For some reason grub failed to install so I had to install lilo
21:21.06Arthurit boots, but when I boot into windows his data partition is gone
21:21.09Arthuro.0
21:21.49Arthurwhen I boot into debian fdisk -l show's it's still there, but it also shows that the ext3 root partition I created for debian /dev/sda2 is a "hidden/ntfs" partition, just like all the others.
21:22.22ArthurI've never seen anything like this... someone feel like hanging out with me and pastebin and figuring out if I've screwed all his data to high-heaven/
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21:22.50Ben_Cshello.
21:22.55blubberdiblubArthur, try setting the real ntfs partitions to ntfs (not hidden)
21:23.42Ben_Cscan it be? debian+xfce takes only ~80MB of RAM, while xubuntu takes ~350MB    ?!
21:23.50ArthurWhat does that mean ... you mean in fstab?
21:23.52p1ngp0ngcan someone please tell me how i install the nvidia amd64 driver on etch?
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21:23.57Arthurblubberdiblub:
21:24.07p1ngp0ngi forgot how its done :\
21:24.13blubberdiblubArthur, no, in the partitioning program. use cfdisk for an easy interface
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21:25.13ArthurI tried running cfdisk, but it encountered a fatal error saying something about partition 2 ending in the final cylinder'
21:25.33p1ngp0ngaccording to dpkg nvidia one-line, i'm supose to issue a sed 's,-*'`g command, but that doesnt tell me much really
21:25.39Arthur<PROTECTED>
21:26.01blubberdiblubArthur: not a big problem, you can con it into working anyways
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21:26.25ArthurBuy it a beer?
21:26.37ArthurBuy you a beer?
21:26.43ArthurI'm already drinking beer.
21:27.08menogayArthur, is that how you con people.  I always fall for it, heres a beer, now design our website real quick
21:27.15blubberdiblubArthur: no, try something like "cfdisk -c 2000 /dev/yourdevice". if the number doesn't suffice, increase it
21:28.43Arthurblubberdiblub: cfdisk -c 2000 /dev/sda doesn't work. Nor does 3000. 6000. or 10000.
21:28.43p1ngp0ng!nvidia one-liner
21:28.44dpkghmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32).  Using sarge?  Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>.  Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>.  If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
21:28.59p1ngp0ngcan someone please tell me what the | sed command is?
21:29.10master_of_masterhi, I only get a black screen if I boot the lenny installer via pxe? Is that a known problem?
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21:29.21blubberdiblubArthur, urm, well, then use another partitioning program, like fdisk. i can't help you there, tho, since i don't use it
21:29.55menogayI like cfdisk
21:29.56dmoernerp1ngp0ng, it cuts amd64 or k7 or 686 or whatever from your uname string
21:30.32blubberdiblubArthur, but can you pastebin the output of "sfdisk -l -uS /dev/sda" anyways, please?
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21:31.26p1ngp0ngdmoerner: sorry for beeing a noob, but cant i just cut that off my self?
21:31.37dmoernerp1ngp0ng, you could
21:31.44Arthurhttp://pastebin.com/m45d7b59
21:31.48petemcwhy you would want to is another question
21:32.02p1ngp0ngdmoerner: so how would the command go then? will you please?
21:32.29ArthurI used the -z switch for cfdisk, which the man page says will just ignore the partitions and open up cfdisk. That didn't help though as it just showed a completely blank partition.
21:32.37ArthurSorry, a completely empty disk
21:32.52dmoernerp1ngp0ng, it depends on your architecture
21:33.06p1ngp0ngdmoerner: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6?
21:33.21blubberdiblubArthur, partition table, yes, forget about cfdisk for now. we can do it with sfdisk, if you like
21:34.20ArthurBy the way, I installed this the same way I've installed debian three other times. And I haven't read any bug reports about it messing up partitions. During the install I had it install debian to /dev/sda2 using ext3. I chose not to use eitehr partition 1 or 3
21:34.25Arthur1 being vista and 3 being the data
21:34.28blubberdiblubArthur, "sfdisk -c /dev/sda 3 07"
21:34.45Arthurcrap.
21:34.47Arthurit just said done
21:34.50Arthurwhat did that do
21:35.07blubberdiblubArthur, check "sfdisk -l -uS /dev/sda" again
21:35.20blubberdiblubArthur, the 3rd partition should have type 07 ntfs now
21:35.32menogaypetemc, you are on both channel
21:35.59Arthurit's no longer hidden
21:36.04Arthur0.0
21:36.12blubberdiblubArthur, exactly, that's my point
21:36.26blubberdiblubArthur, now try if windows sees it again
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21:36.37Arthuryou should choose a different name. I feel like I'm being helped by an extremely talented dolphin.
21:36.58ArthurI will reboot though
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21:37.07blubberdiblubArthur, first try it, i don't know if that suffices
21:37.12Arthurhope to see you in a few minutes and report roses and sunshine
21:37.16Arthurok
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21:44.14`nstuffwhich package does provide tcl.h?
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21:46.14pickcoder`nstuff: apt-file search <file> can tell you
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21:46.44LimCorethere was some small utill program to fix links (i.e. to change them from absolute to relative and viceversa etc etc)... what was it?
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21:47.25LimCoreok nevermind.. symlinks.
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21:47.44`nstuffgives me a blanc ;/
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21:53.12swirl_redI can tell someone who does this mean this to 0 and I have a laptop should not be 1 cat /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode 0
21:54.14Lagboltswirl_red, look in /usr/share/docs/laptop-mode there are files there that explain all about it
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21:54.40swirl_redLagbolt, ok
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21:55.07Lagboltswirl_red, also http://samwel.tk/laptop_mode/
21:55.18`nstuffafter a netinstall it keeps asking for the disk on installs
21:55.26`nstuffhow would i change that ?
21:55.51jpinxenouf: just back from lunch - looked at those pkgs, but they're not a patch on irfanview
21:56.27jpinxenouf: I can create complete galleries with thumbnails in Irfanview.
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21:59.53swirl_redLagbolt, when you install this package I must activate laptop_mode 1 /proc /sys /vm/
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22:00.34blubberdiblubArthurM, how has it gone?
22:00.38ArthurMblubberdiblub: Sorry for the delay.
22:01.07ArthurMI had tried to remove lilo and re-install grub whilst troubleshooting the more serious problem with partitions.
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22:01.35confreyhi everybody
22:01.37ArthurMWhich failed... and necessitated two reinstalls of a basic system. For some reason, grub won't install and grub2 won't boot windows vista.
22:01.45ArthurMI blame microsoft or myself
22:02.00JPThmm
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22:02.14blubberdiblubArthurM, what did windows say about the partition? did it reappear?
22:02.15ArthurMAnyway.. I'm on vista now and gonna boot back into a standard system and try that command again.. what was it? sfdisk -c /dev/sda 3
22:02.24ArthurMI had to reinstall
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22:02.41ArthurMso I'm back at square one and here to ask if you can give me the command to unhide partition three again
22:02.47confreyI've installed lenny beta2, but I can't use wifi, I have a atheros AR2413, and I can see a ath5k module loaded, but I can't find the wifi device
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22:03.03blubberdiblubArthurM, sure, "sfdisk -c /dev/sda 3 07"
22:03.20ArthurMok...
22:03.23ArthurM3 07
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22:03.27ArthurMback in a bit
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22:07.05parkerhigginshello everybody!  i have a quick question: how do i get apt-get to prefer a certain repository, if i want to download app that is in more than one of them?
22:08.04parkerhiggins(because the versions are different, incidentally)
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22:09.07blubberdiblubArthurM, you could also use cfdisk now, i calculated the number that would make it happy ;)
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22:09.48ArthurMok... ran that command and it said done, and I reboot and it's the same situation. The partition with the data is not being read properly by Vista. Now it says that it is a simple volume 50GB with 50GB free.
22:09.55ArthurMBefore i installed it had 30GB free.
22:10.11ArthurMSo.... things will get ugly if I can't find those 20GB
22:10.14ArthurM:)
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22:10.57ArthurMok... well... happy to try anything at this point, cuz we're both thinking at this point that we should find some backup disks from a few months back and then never let me touch his computer again
22:11.24blubberdiblubArthurM, well, a while ago you mentioned that you freed 4.3G for the debian partition. that means you resized the ntfs data partition, right? what tool did you use for that task?
22:11.28ArthurMThough... I know how to partition a system. I specifically said do not use either thinking I would setup the ntfs shares later on
22:12.23pothibo_Could someone ping google.ocm and tell me what is their latency to the server ?
22:12.42ArthurMok... I vista's resize tool to get it down to about 40 GB. Then I did a resize using gparted to about 20. Then I created a 50 GB ntfs in Vista, and a 4.5 GB ntfs in Vista. I copied all his data over to the 50. Rebooted and all worked well.
22:12.48vadmestepothibo_: why ?
22:12.54pothibo_vadmeste: testing
22:12.55petemcArthurM: if you can get a hold of a copy of ontrack it works very well for data recovery
22:12.57ArthurMThen  I rebooted with the install, told it to erase /dev/sda2 and make it ext3
22:13.05vadmesteo_o3
22:13.50vadmestepothibo_: for me it's 210 ms
22:13.52ArthurMYou'll note from my pastebin earlier that you didn't see an ext3 partition
22:14.16blubberdiblubArthurM, you resized the ntfs partition with gparted? is that possible at all?
22:14.25ArthurMOh yeah. No worries.
22:14.33ArthurMDone it many times.
22:14.48ArthurMNever resized ntfs partitions created by Vista, mind you
22:14.51ArthurMonly xp
22:14.57blubberdiblubArthurM, no, the partition table output says nothing about the contained filesystems. linux couldn't care less about the type set in the partition table
22:15.21ArthurMI'm not telling you what I know to be true blubberdiblub... just what I've done
22:16.01blubberdiblubArthurM, anyways, you could (and should) set the type of the linux partition to 83, so that windows doesn't get any bad idea of fiddling with it
22:16.24ArthurMsomething like... sfdisk -c /dev/sda 2 83
22:16.25ArthurM?
22:16.29pothibo_vadmeste: ty
22:16.40blubberdiblubArthurM, try cfdisk this time: "cfdisk -c 10338 /dev/sda" :D
22:16.59ArthurMok
22:17.09ArthurMI'll reboot and try it now.
22:17.12blubberdiblubArthurM, and yes, that sfdisk command would work as well :)
22:17.32ArthurMhaha... see! I'm not an idiot. I just play one on the intertubes
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22:17.47ArthurMonce more, dear friends. Into the breach!
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22:28.02boltWhen using screen and having opened several windows, then closed a few, is there a way to push the remaining windows together, so I don't get "holes"? Meaning if I open 5 windows, then close number 3, I want number 4 and 5 to become 3 and 4
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22:32.16ArthurMhi blubberdiblub
22:32.21ArthurMstill no joy
22:32.32ArthurMI paused to do some googling
22:33.00ArthurMno joy yet
22:33.02blubberdiblubArthurM, well, you may borked your data partition, probably while resizing it
22:33.05blubberdiblub+have
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22:33.50ArthurMblubberdiblub:  my fear at first as well... but it doesn't make sense. Because I resized it and used it for some time, before installing debian. And the only partition I edited was /dev/sda2
22:33.59ArthurMI didn't touch 1 or 3.
22:34.14ArthurMMore likely is that vista's partitioning tool doesn't play well with other tools
22:34.40ArthurMWhether I can recover it or should just say 'f' it and start restoring the computer is another question
22:34.56emmahey on this debian there is no soud. it says when i go to click on volume that I might not havethe right gstreamerplugins installed.
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22:35.03emmawhat would the right such plugins be?
22:35.09blubberdiblubArthurM, try to mount the partition in debian, using ntfs-3g
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22:37.22ArthurMI will .... but I need to go home to get access to the internet again. We've gone out to the pub and I'm on the public network in vista. No iwlwifi yet to install stuff via debian
22:37.47ArthurMemma... are you dual booting?
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22:37.54emmayes
22:38.01ArthurMvista or xp?
22:38.01emmaand i have sound in xp
22:38.07emmaxp
22:39.59ArthurMhmm... well... dual booting vista used to bork the sound on my system at home. Before I stopped using the frickin' thing the only way I got it to work was by removing the battery, shutting down, unplugging from a power source and then holding down the power button and various keys (like fn, shift, ctrl) which I suspect cleared something the motherboards battery was holding for vista. When I would replug the computer in and reboot into linux the sound woul
22:40.15ArthurMAn unlikely solution for you
22:40.25ArthurMBut I thought I'd ask
22:40.36ArthurMblubberdiblub: I appreciate the help
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22:40.39emmaweird
22:40.44emmai think it's just not finding the sound card
22:40.53blubberdiblubArthurM, i have another suggestion. maybe windows just "forgot" the drive letter of the partition, due to it being at a different place now. go to the device manager or drive manager or how it is called and try to assing a letter
22:41.28emmawhich gstreamer should be installed to get the most stuff to work?
22:41.33emma!gstreamer
22:41.34dpkggstreamer is, like, a multimedia framework finding widespread use in various applications like rhythmbox,totem etc. Its configured with 'gstreamer-properties'. See also http://www.gstreamer.net/
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22:42.09ArthurMblubberdiblub: One of the first things I looked at.
22:42.19ArthurMBut I appreciate all the help
22:42.48ArthurMI think this is a conflict between how the debian installer handles partitions and vista.
22:43.00ArthurMI'm gonna try restoring the mbr and seeing what effect that has.
22:43.13ArthurMI have no reason for thinking that would work... other than microsoft is a bastard.
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22:44.42blubberdiblubArthurM, whatever, just don't give up on it at least until you have tried to mount the partition from debian
22:44.59jpinxArthurM: FWIW - Windows hates it when you resize it's partitions in linux and IME generally will not work well
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22:45.51jpinxArthurM: can you do file -s /dev/foo ?
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22:46.28ArthurMblubberdiblub: No indeed. If I can mount it from within debian I can at least copy the contents to another computer on the network
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22:47.34ArthurMThat should be easy enough. I was looking for vista solutions as that's the OS that I have fully working. The fact that grub wouldn't install and grub2 wouldnt' boot vista is suggestive that vista is not wanting to play well with other OS's and partitions
22:48.21ArthurMI will be giving up on my attempts to convert friends until I figure out went wrong... hopefully before we give up on my friends lost partitions
22:48.31blubberdiblubArthurM, you really shouldn't use grub2. it's not fully mature yet
22:48.38ArthurMI know... I was desperate
22:49.03ArthurMLilo boots both vista and debian though... so that's what I've got on there at the moment
22:49.34ArthurMWell... I've restored vista's partition. I'll reboot and see if microshaft magik has fixed the invisible partition problem
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22:50.16emmawhy can't debian play sound when XP can?
22:50.43newsenseemma driver not loaded? muted sound ?
22:51.42menogayemma, gnome doesn't have it, but kde has the nice sound when you log in
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22:51.50emmai went to the volume controll and it says this: no volume control and or gstreamer devices plugins found.
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22:52.20ArthurMnein
22:52.23ArthurMdamn
22:52.26vadimhi everyone. Just installed aMule and it refuses to retrieve servers list. What can i do about it?
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22:52.43newsenserent a dvd, listen to the radio
22:52.47newsensehahaha
22:53.01menogayemma, whats, sound always works for me with now with debian, since the last two releases.  But once I added an add-on sound card so I had to config it with alsaconf, just run it
22:53.25newsensethan run alsamixer as root
22:53.31blubberdiblubArthurM, what's wrong?
22:53.35ArthurMok blubberdiblub... I'm gonna go home and try and mount under debian... I'll need to install some ntfs stuff
22:53.38menogayvadim, whats that...aMule
22:53.58vadim<menogay>: it's a filesharing program
22:54.09jpinxArthurM: try a ext2fs reader in Windose to see what you've got
22:54.18blubberdiblubArthurM, ntfs-3g and maybe ntfsprogs, too, if you like
22:54.51blubberdiblubjpinx, you're not properly following ;)
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22:55.25menogayvadim, oh cool, I used to use the napster, but then it became something else, I forget, I had to use wine though to run, this is a linux app, what kind of files does it share.  I just use irc for file sharing, is that one better?
22:55.45jpinxhas an interest because of similar problems here
22:56.08emmadurring the boot up process it says 'save_state:  failed no sound card found.
22:56.17boltWhen using screen and having opened several windows, then closed a few, is there a way to push the remaining windows together, so I don't get "holes"? Meaning if I open 5 windows, then close number 3, I want number 4 and 5 to become 3 and 4
22:56.30vadim<menogay>: well, there you can find almost everything you want. although it's not very fast
22:56.40zibrihah, just installed postfix, but decided to delay my mail server building. apt-get remove postfix, and it want to remove at, mailx and mutt as well! wtf? :(
22:56.53Lagboltemma, you on laptop? dual boot?  my laptop had issues where if i rebooted from windows to linux sound was gone unless i power down completely and go to debian.
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22:57.11emmai'll try it.
22:57.22Lagboltwell did the sound used to work?
22:57.24jpinxLagbolt: no such problems on my toshiba t8000 laptop
22:57.39Lagboltjpinx, hp dv series.  found other people same problem with google
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22:57.48ArthurMemma: What Lagbolt talks about is what I described. It's an unlikely fix, but try the steps I outlined.
22:57.50Lagbolti think it is a bios bug or something
22:58.16emmai'll power it down completely and just log into debian.
22:58.23ArthurMLagbolt: Yup... hp laptop, Vista... it somehow hogs the soundcard across reboots
22:58.25Lagboltemma, yeah start with what ArthurM  said.  mine is just a thought based on my laptop.
22:58.37jpinxtakes the dogs for a walk
22:58.43menogayvadim, maybe you made an error in the way you enter the servers, or maybe you have to do some else for connecting
22:59.04emmabut look this is what it says when i try to get to the volumee control......
22:59.28zibrii'm stuck with postfix? :(
22:59.44menogayemma, when you do lsmod |grep snd_pcm
22:59.45emma"The volume ocontrol didnot find any elements andor dvieces to control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured.
22:59.47ArthurMemma have you posted the output of lspci to pastebin yet to see if you're card is even being recognized? Cuz if it's not the we don't have the same problem
23:00.14ArthurMor... what is the command.... aplay -l   ?
23:00.24emmawell did lspci -v | grep -i audio
23:00.39emmaand it returns the prompt. Nothing there with the word audio in it.
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23:00.52ArthurMwell... forget the grep stuff
23:00.57Lagboltemma, is it a laptop?
23:01.00ArthurMjust post the whole lspci stuff
23:01.05emmano it's a machine.
23:01.05ArthurMmaybe it's Audio
23:01.11emmathat's why i did -i
23:01.14menogayemma, what about lsmod? do you see when you scroll up, snd_pcm there?
23:01.14Lagboltsome have usb audio now.  lsusb
23:01.16emmabut ill pastebin the whole thing.
23:01.18emma!pastebin
23:01.18dpkgDo not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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23:06.33emmamenogay, Lagbolt , ArthurM here is the paste of my lspci -- http://paste.debian.net/16060/
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23:07.46emmamenogay: yes i have snd_pcm 68676 snd_cs4231_lib,snd_pcm_oss
23:08.06Lagboltemma, can you tell me, i didnt see beginning, is this laptop? cause some laptops have usb audio
23:08.25emmano this is not a laptop.
23:08.34Lagboltonboard sound?
23:08.45Lagboltor did you put in card?
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23:08.57emmaThis is a Dell OptiPlex GX1 Pentium III, 512 MB ram, 2x80 GB hdd.
23:09.01emmaYes on board sound.
23:09.25Lagbolthmm well that rules out new hardware problems
23:09.43Lagboltdid you look in windows device manager to get details about the sound card and driver?
23:09.54emmaoh no i did not do that.
23:09.59emmai'm sorry.
23:10.04emmai never thought to do that.
23:10.09Lagboltits ok
23:10.12Lagboltjust checking
23:10.28Lagbolthas sound ever worked in linux on it? did you check bios settings?
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23:12.08ArthurMI wonder if VIsta can only read partitions marked as bootable
23:12.36tlmillerDo md devices show up correctly in debian's package of gparted?
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23:12.52Lagboltemma, did you look at this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=305269&highlight=gx1+audio
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23:13.40Lagboltthey are the same modules you listed
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23:14.59emmaLagbolt: i did check bios settings, it says that sound is on. And this is the only linux I've ever put on this machine. And sound does work in XP. So it's not that the onboard sound is broken or not there.
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23:15.41Lagboltemma, check the link i sent ^^
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23:17.07pobegaThis is very off topic, but am I the only one who finds Wine works better than Cedega 90% of the time?
23:17.35Lagboltemma, hmm actually that is a lil diff.
23:18.19pobegaEvery game I've ever run ran better in Wine than Cedega... Ragnarok Online, ZDaemon, among others I can't remember. I was just wondering if anyone else experienced anything similar to me.
23:18.50ZeuZpobega, go check their compatibility database
23:19.24pobega*shrug* Like I said, was just asking. I'm not going to look into compatability...It's probably because the games I run aren't commercial games, though.
23:19.36pobegaAnd I think Cedega is specifically programmed for commercial games.
23:21.24emmaLagbolt: i'm trying that right now.
23:21.47Lagboltemma, is that the same model as your computer
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23:22.07emmai don't know about model but this is an OptiPlex GX1
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23:24.17octox2how do i change the gcc variable again ?
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23:25.03allos_nerelinhow do i remove the package
23:25.07allos_nerelin?
23:25.13emmaLagbolt: You did it <3 :)
23:25.30kingsley_allos_nerelin: dpkg -r <package-name>
23:26.25octox2i need to change my gcc version from 4.2 to 4.1 to compile a module, but i cant remember lol
23:28.07Lagboltemma, yeah?
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23:28.19Lagboltemma, just make sure to put that in modules file so it works on boot eh
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23:34.00olechrHi, looking for a kernel optimzed for something else than 686 since it doesnt work with my VIA motherboard. Got any tip on where to find precompiled kernels or to I have to compile it?
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23:36.49tlmillerbest optimizations = self compiled, usually.
23:38.09allos_nerelindpkg: regarding libc6_2.7-13_amd64.deb containing libc6:
23:38.09dpkgallos_nerelin: I wish you would RTFM.
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23:38.56olechrjust looking for something that works, right now the kernel wont even load
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23:39.44octox2what is the latest kernel versio, and is it compile with gcc 4.2 ?
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23:42.17octox2Im in lenny if that makes a difference
23:43.06octox2well, im doing an update and hopefully the kernel was compiles with gcc 4.2 i guess
23:43.19emmaLagbolt: yes I added it to /etc/modules
23:43.55Lagboltemma, excellent
23:44.20master_of_masterhi, I've just installed lenny on encrypted lvm. Now after the reboot there is noc passphrase prompt. Instead initramfs whants smth. from me...
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23:50.54KazstaHi, I have recently decided to test out mod_rewrite with apache2. I have an .htaccess file set up and the rewriting is loading the correct page, however, the information is not being passed through into PHP. Not sure if I have explained this well. Try http://www.fernabergia.co.uk/test.php. The normal link passes a value into the $_GET array in PHP, when rewritten it doesn't pass the variable
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23:51.40rwaitehi all, i have a problem when tring to ssh into a remote server (several actually) ssh hangs after the password prompt and i cannot kill the proc by pressing crtl-c
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23:52.49SkaperenI'm looking for a mirror site list specific for the rsync protocol ... is there one?
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23:53.28SkaperenAlso, I want to mirror the packages so I can do multiple network installs without using the internet connection
23:53.38tonsofpcsis markw the same markw as efnet?
23:54.12Tramprwaite: hmm. Try ssh -vv to see, where exactly it hangs
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23:54.53rwaiteone v it hangs after sending the LANG
23:54.55rwaitetwo v's
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23:56.18rwaitehttp://pastebin.com/m4beb1cf1
23:56.25rwaitethat's the output
23:56.38binarymutantis it safe to remove /usr/share/doc and /var/cache/apt/archive ?
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23:57.16TheodenI want to remove evolution - but is says it will remove gnome also.  Anyone know any way around that in debian?
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23:58.00unopTheoden, huh? what evolution packages are being removed exactly?
23:58.11Skaperenapparently evolution is the infrastructure of gnome's file browser, too
23:58.40Theodenunop:  I tried to use synaptic to remove evolution - it wants to remove gnome also if I do.
23:59.18Guerinsounds ideal to me
23:59.19unopbinarymutant, you can clear the latter with  apt-get clean  # and i would keep the former unless i was really starved of space.
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23:59.21\amethystTheoden:  the 'gnome' metapackage depends on evolution
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23:59.37Tramprwaite: so the authentication succeeds. Looks as if something with the login is not ok.
23:59.40Theodenk - but there must be some way to remove it.
23:59.46\amethystTheoden:  what you can do is go to the gnome package in the full-screen interface, and manually select (with +) most of the dependencies

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