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| 00:00.28 | rwaite | Tramp, hmm. well this seems to be happening to multiple machines. let me test from putting on a windows machine here to verify success |
| 00:00.34 | Tramp | rwaite: you say this happens on different servers? |
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| 00:00.44 | binarymutant | unop: thanks for the apt-get clean command, I was looking at the man files for apt-cache |
| 00:00.44 | mike_xcr | hi all |
| 00:00.53 | mike_xcr | is there any admin ? or stuff ? |
| 00:01.05 | \amethyst | Theoden: actually, I guess it's gnome-desktop-environment that has the dependency on evolution |
| 00:01.08 | Guerin | mike_xcr: try to make sense |
| 00:01.23 | mike_xcr | polish debian users have a problem! |
| 00:01.23 | rwaite | Tramp, yes. Just tried from a putty shell and it works fine. |
| 00:01.24 | mike_xcr | :D |
| 00:01.32 | rwaite | so this seems to be something on my specific client |
| 00:01.42 | simonrvn | mike_xcr: please try harder to ask a clear question |
| 00:01.53 | \amethyst | Theoden: but anyway, you can manually select the other dependencies with +, then unselect evolution and gnome-desktop-environment, and you'll still have most of gnome, without evolution |
| 00:01.57 | simonrvn | mike_xcr : Please ask questions that are Specific, Informative, Complete, Concise, and On-topic. |
| 00:02.17 | mike_xcr | polish users sitting on #debian-pl but founder lost channel on december 2007... and i will get access... |
| 00:02.28 | Guerin | mike_xcr: ask in #freenode |
| 00:02.38 | Tramp | rwaite: ok. so you can login to these servers from putty but not from debian. Can you login to any server from debian? |
| 00:02.45 | mike_xcr | Guerin: #freenode forward on #debian :/ |
| 00:03.04 | simonrvn | mike_xcr: have you registered your nick? |
| 00:03.12 | mike_xcr | simonrvn: yes |
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| 00:03.13 | Guerin | mike_xcr: it shouldn't. You probably need to be nickserv'd |
| 00:03.17 | rwaite | none that i've tried |
| 00:03.17 | allos_nerelin | dpkg: regarding libc6_2.7-13_amd64.deb containing libc6: | libc6 conflicts with tzdata-etch |
| 00:03.18 | dpkg | allos_nerelin: You are moron #5 |
| 00:03.31 | simonrvn | and i doubt it would do that... |
| 00:03.49 | Tramp | rwaite: do you have a ssh-server on the local machine (i.e. on this client from which you cannot connect)? |
| 00:03.51 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 00:03.56 | rwaite | no |
| 00:04.04 | mike_xcr | simonrvn: #debian-pl created on Lukasz... but Lukasz last logged: december 2007... |
| 00:04.13 | simonrvn | i haven't seen it moron someone in a while |
| 00:04.18 | rwaite | this is a very confounding issue to me |
| 00:04.20 | Guerin | mike_xcr: this is nothing to do with #debian. Ask in the proper channel. |
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| 00:04.29 | simonrvn | mike_xcr: yes, and i can't help you. ask in #freenode. |
| 00:04.38 | mike_xcr | ok |
| 00:04.40 | mike_xcr | thansk, bye |
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| 00:04.52 | Tramp | rwaite: do you have any ssh-server you control (i.e. where you could run sshd - d)? |
| 00:05.49 | rwaite | if i can get in... |
| 00:05.51 | rwaite | hold on |
| 00:06.02 | rwaite | also, i tried it from outside x in a "real" terminal |
| 00:06.03 | rwaite | same thing |
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| 00:07.24 | rwaite | hmm |
| 00:07.28 | rwaite | okay i am on there |
| 00:07.50 | rwaite | well, hmm. |
| 00:07.58 | rwaite | im ssh'd in. so if i muck with the ssh daemon i |
| 00:08.02 | rwaite | 'll be d/c |
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| 00:08.34 | Tramp | rwaite: well actually no, but let me survey the situation first. |
| 00:09.02 | Tramp | rwaite: you're now logged in to a remote server where you have root-access through putty, right? |
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| 00:09.19 | rwaite | yep |
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| 00:09.36 | rwaite | i did a quick grep of /var/log, but all i find is auth.log with session opens and closes |
| 00:09.41 | Tramp | rwaite: ok. killing the sshd would not kill your current connection, but I'd like to avoid it anyways. |
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| 00:10.07 | rwaite | ok |
| 00:10.07 | Tramp | rwaite: can you access any port on this server (i.e. can you start a sshd for testing on a different port?) |
| 00:10.21 | rwaite | yes, but i'm not 100% sure how to do that |
| 00:10.26 | rwaite | lemme read the manual real quick |
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| 00:10.36 | rwaite | okay so -p |
| 00:10.39 | Tramp | rwaite: /usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 999 |
| 00:10.50 | Tramp | rwaite: or whatever port suits you. |
| 00:11.18 | rwaite | alright money |
| 00:11.23 | rwaite | now, try to login? |
| 00:11.28 | Tramp | rwaite: then, to connect, ssh -vv -p 999 - yes. |
| 00:12.04 | rwaite | hmm |
| 00:13.22 | rwaite | it's telling me name or service not known, but that doesnt make sense |
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| 00:13.42 | Tramp | rwaite: which side is telling what? |
| 00:13.43 | rwaite | this server is in the dmz with no firewall |
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| 00:13.54 | rwaite | Tramp, my side. client side. |
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| 00:15.02 | Tramp | rwaite: so you run "ssh -vv -p 999 root@myserver" and you get "name or service ..."? |
| 00:15.08 | rwaite | no, i got it working |
| 00:15.09 | rwaite | ok |
| 00:15.22 | rwaite | now client side, it ends at the same channel 0: open confirm... |
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| 00:15.29 | rwaite | on the server, the last thing it displays is |
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| 00:15.48 | rwaite | server_input_channel_open: confirm session |
| 00:18.24 | rwaite | i'll brb, trying something |
| 00:19.08 | menogay | emma, what happened, was you sound just muted? |
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| 00:23.55 | rwaite | Tr0gd0r, thanks a bunch i figured it out ... was related to my wireless network adapter |
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| 00:24.02 | rwaite | ndiswrapper config. it's now fixed. :) |
| 00:24.09 | Lagbolt | anyone think it is possible that cheap memory could cause this issue. when i boot my quad core with a usb to IDE adaptor attached to DVDrom it boots with CPU trouble as about to be pastebin |
| 00:24.11 | Lagbolt | http://pastebin.com/m7e87aa7b |
| 00:24.24 | Tramp | rwaite: I suppose, you mean me - glad you fixed it. |
| 00:25.02 | rwaite | oh yes, heh. thx, now at least i know a lil bit more about ssh and how to debug it |
| 00:25.02 | emma | menogay: no i added a line to my /etc/modules list and now it works. |
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| 00:25.21 | Tramp | rwaite: out of curiosity: can you give a bit more information, how this referred to the ssh problem? |
| 00:26.10 | rwaite | well, there's a 'wl' module that competes with the ndis system. i dont know how it got on here, but i picked some of the wlan related packages from an ubuntu repo... and the forum i found the fix on was for ubuntu |
| 00:26.14 | menogay | emma, can you explain to me please, I never knew about it |
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| 00:26.31 | rwaite | so perhaps that's what caused it. what i dont understand is that the wlan/ssh combo was working fine earlier. .. |
| 00:26.37 | rwaite | so maybe its a latent issue |
| 00:26.40 | ilembitov_ | Hi, all. Can anybody tell me, will KDE4 be included with Lenny? |
| 00:26.48 | menogay | emma, you should google your laptops, cause when I bought a dell laptop, there were so many fixes I had to do, and didn't even know about |
| 00:27.06 | emma | this isn't a laptop though. |
| 00:27.20 | rwaite | technically, i believe the wl module was causing some packet droppage resulting in the session info not being relayed back to me |
| 00:27.23 | emma | This is an OptiPlex GX1 Pentium III. |
| 00:27.52 | Tramp | rwaite: hmm...sorta....weird. But ok. Strange that it was always happening at the same stage. but ok. |
| 00:27.54 | Lagbolt | emma, it is still working right? |
| 00:28.06 | rwaite | yeah im just happy its fixed |
| 00:28.11 | rwaite | anyway, cheers. im off to bed. |
| 00:28.59 | dudeman | hi |
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| 00:30.51 | emma | Lagbolt: yeah totally working now. |
| 00:31.38 | tlmiller | How do you show "the raw partition table" ? Is that just fdisk -l ? |
| 00:33.01 | Sling | what do you mean with raw |
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| 00:34.20 | tlmiller | I'm submitting a debian install report and it says; Partitions: <df -Tl will do; the raw partition table is preferred> |
| 00:34.56 | Sling | then i guess fdisk -l /dev/disk will do |
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| 00:36.16 | karlpinc | tmiller: I'd say the raw partition table is what you get with dd reading the first N blocks of the disk. |
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| 00:36.37 | Sling | karlpinc : yea but thats not by definition the partition table |
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| 00:38.27 | Sling | see GUID for example |
| 00:39.32 | Tramp | dd if=/dev/<disk> bs=1 count=64 skip=446 | od -vx <-- that's as raw as you can get it, I'd say. |
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| 00:41.55 | jo4 | Hi, i'm having a bit of trouble getting vsftpd to run properly. i get error 500 where it says cannot change to /home/user. but the user got permissions to the directory |
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| 00:41.59 | jo4 | what can i check? |
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| 00:43.13 | emma | is it normal that this debian install gave me gnome by default? |
| 00:43.58 | x1938 | yes |
| 00:44.03 | jo4 | i don't really understand cause the home directory has the right permissions and vsftpd.conf seems to be set up correctly. i got it working with anonymous users for a littel while ago so it doesn't seem like there's anything wrong with the conf |
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| 00:47.05 | PiousMinion | Anyone know how I can figure out which thermal zones are which? |
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| 00:49.12 | crichins | Any LUG in Columbia, SC? |
| 00:49.42 | crichins | new to Columbia, SC looking for some fellow geeks to hang with |
| 00:51.10 | crichins | Always up for a linux party... |
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| 00:51.31 | lolufail | hello everyone! |
| 00:52.15 | lolufail | does anybody have experience with generating custom initramdisks? I need support for lvm, crypt (luks), and md-raid! |
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| 00:52.43 | Blasi | crichins: http://www.linux.org/groups/usa/southcarolina.html |
| 00:53.47 | Lagbolt | lolufail, i did that with my laptop |
| 00:54.15 | lolufail | lagbolt: finally! ;) looking for some time now :( |
| 00:54.17 | crichins | dang I was hoping i wouldn't have to drive too far |
| 00:54.22 | Lagbolt | lolufail, i had trouble, had to send cryptopts via grub at boot. |
| 00:54.37 | lolufail | lagbolt: what cryptops? |
| 00:55.11 | Lagbolt | lolufail, oh man let me see if i can find it. depends on how you setup everything. i dont have mylaptop here. it is at work. what is your setup? |
| 00:55.20 | lolufail | lagbolt: I looked into the initram-xen, generated by I DONT KNOW. inside are references to the UIDs of my encryptet drives... |
| 00:55.30 | Lagbolt | i used single partition encrypted then lvm for / and swap |
| 00:55.51 | crichins | Anyone have any suggestions for a Debian Linux class I am going to start teaching on Tuesday.. It is for my fellow operations members.. They have never used linux but are proficient in computers. |
| 00:56.17 | lolufail | lagbolt: I have a raid-5, at /dev/md0, crypted as /dev/md0_crypt, lvm ontop, root partition at /dev/mapper/raidvg_root |
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| 00:57.03 | trakinas | hi all! need some help removing kernel modules |
| 00:57.05 | lolufail | so I have to have the initrd enable the raid, uncrypt the drive, enable the volume manager, and mount the root filesystme (xfs) |
| 00:57.17 | lolufail | :D |
| 00:57.38 | trakinas | I had an working webcam but now it does not work anymore, Im quite sure I messed up while trying to use v4l2 instead of v4l1. |
| 00:57.48 | Lagbolt | lolufail, good place to start reading is /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.initramfs.gz |
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| 00:57.59 | trakinas | so, modprobe keeps telling it cannot load. |
| 00:58.06 | SerajewelKS | wow there are no LUGs anywhere near me |
| 00:58.12 | Kobaz | so i need some help with an lvm recovery.... any takers? |
| 00:58.17 | SerajewelKS | well there may be one but their website sucks |
| 00:58.24 | lolufail | lagbolt: ok, thanks! there are also a lot of scripts at /etc/mkinitramfs-tools |
| 00:58.52 | lolufail | lagbolt: I will eventually figure it out, I was just hoping someone had done it alraedy ;) google fails me ;) |
| 00:58.54 | Lagbolt | lolufail, so you need something lke cryptopts=target=md0_crypt,source=UUID=######## in your grub kernel line |
| 00:59.27 | Lagbolt | lolufail, if you cant figure it out with that README, i will be at work tomorrow afternoon if you find me on here. i can check my notes on my laptop |
| 00:59.36 | lolufail | lagbolt: will that work with the correct order... raid and such? |
| 01:00.03 | lolufail | "tomorror afternoon?" |
| 01:00.15 | Lagbolt | lolufail, lvm should be cool once you get past encryption. there is a package that will fix initrd so you dont need that option in grub. i just forget what it was |
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| 01:00.45 | Lagbolt | lolufail, just have to be sure that the cryptopt source points to the name of the device you made via cryptsetup |
| 01:01.17 | lolufail | lagbolt: yeah, but crypt wont find it without enabling the raid... |
| 01:01.18 | cr3 | could someone suggest a name to describe the outcome of a process: return value, stdout, stderr, etc |
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| 01:02.15 | Lagbolt | lolufail, the raid should be ok. does it not find that? initrd should have what it needs for that too. i spent a lot of time with this, unpacking my initrd to see what was change to make it work |
| 01:02.48 | lolufail | lagbolt: oh ok, I wasnt sure about what the automagic would cover... |
| 01:03.07 | lolufail | lagbolt: prob is, the server that thing is on has no monitor right now ;) |
| 01:03.13 | Lagbolt | lolufail, the lvm stuff made it in but for somereason cryptsetup package wasnt updating my initrd for that but something else fixed it. |
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| 01:03.21 | lolufail | lagbolt: so I have only ssh and a keyboard to type blindly ;) |
| 01:03.41 | Lagbolt | lolufail, that can be a pain |
| 01:03.48 | lolufail | lol I fail. |
| 01:04.03 | lolufail | yeah, need a monitor ;) |
| 01:04.07 | lolufail | for shit like that |
| 01:04.16 | Lagbolt | well i might be more help if i am with my laptop. i figured it all out, took some notes then forgot it :) |
| 01:04.33 | lolufail | lagbolt: ok, what timezone are you in? |
| 01:04.46 | Lagbolt | eastern |
| 01:05.01 | lolufail | uhm |
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| 01:05.10 | lolufail | sry, not everyone is american :P |
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| 01:05.20 | lolufail | is german |
| 01:05.36 | lolufail | so whats eastern? |
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| 01:05.40 | Lagbolt | lolufail, its cool, i keep wierd hours. i will be up all night tomorrow most likely in lab |
| 01:05.48 | Lagbolt | i am 5 hours behind england i think lol |
| 01:05.53 | Lagbolt | it is 9:05 pm |
| 01:05.54 | lolufail | k |
| 01:05.59 | lolufail | it's 03:05 am |
| 01:06.06 | lolufail | sooo... |
| 01:06.12 | lolufail | wait.. brainfuck |
| 01:06.48 | lolufail | k, got it |
| 01:06.50 | lolufail | ;) |
| 01:06.57 | lolufail | in 16 hours... |
| 01:07.00 | lolufail | or so |
| 01:07.03 | lolufail | ;) |
| 01:07.04 | lolufail | lol |
| 01:07.06 | lolufail | k |
| 01:07.16 | Lagbolt | ok 6 hours. either way i will be around from about 6 hours before this time until LONG after this time |
| 01:07.30 | Lagbolt | woah too much enter key |
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| 01:07.52 | lolufail | yeah sorry |
| 01:08.13 | Lagbolt | its cool. this is the link i started with |
| 01:08.16 | Lagbolt | http://linuxgazette.net/140/kapil.html |
| 01:08.18 | lolufail | good this channel isnt full of people |
| 01:08.28 | Lagbolt | it has the cryptopts line in it at the bottom |
| 01:08.42 | lolufail | oic |
| 01:09.06 | lolufail | lol I might have just found a how-to |
| 01:09.08 | lolufail | http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Baustelle/How-to_Komplettverschl%C3%BCsselung_mit_Feisty_und_RAID5 |
| 01:09.11 | lolufail | it's german |
| 01:09.19 | lolufail | but jump to "Boot-Vorbereitungen" |
| 01:09.35 | lolufail | http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Baustelle/How-to_Komplettverschl%C3%BCsselung_mit_Feisty_und_RAID5#Boot-Vorbereitungen |
| 01:09.41 | Lagbolt | if initrd is setup right you wont need the cryptopt or lvm part. normally the lvm part works fine just the cryptopt part sucks it up. maybe i will play with a virtual machine and see if i can figure it out again |
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| 01:11.40 | lolufail | hmm aparently the ubuntu update-initramfs do some detection |
| 01:12.01 | lolufail | or..not. |
| 01:12.12 | lolufail | who knows ;) all awesomely documented |
| 01:12.43 | Kobaz | how do i get the uuid of a lvm physical volume |
| 01:13.02 | emma | Hey is it normal that my default debian started with gnome? |
| 01:13.08 | Kobaz | er, never mindm found it |
| 01:13.16 | lolufail | Kobaz: tell me |
| 01:13.20 | emma | how could I get rid of everything gnome on my debian and install some other DE? |
| 01:13.25 | zinx_ | emma: depends on what you installed.. if you installed 'desktop environment', then yes that's normal. |
| 01:13.35 | zinx_ | emma: you don't have to get rid of gnome to do that |
| 01:13.40 | emma | Yeah i did. I thought it might give me some choices. |
| 01:13.41 | zinx_ | emma: just install the one you want |
| 01:13.53 | emma | i want to get rid of it so i dont have gnome cruft in my applications menu |
| 01:13.58 | zinx_ | !remove gnome |
| 01:13.58 | dpkg | remove gnome is, like, aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common |
| 01:14.20 | zinx_ | install what you want then remove gnome, then :/ |
| 01:14.29 | Kobaz | lolufail: pvs -u |
| 01:14.33 | Kobaz | lolufail: pvscan -u |
| 01:14.42 | emma | it isn't that i don't like gnome by the way, but the thing is, I'm an Ubuntu user. I'm trying Debian for the sole reason of seeing new things, and so far Debian with Gnome looks like Ubuntu but bluer. |
| 01:14.48 | lolufail | kobaz: thanks :) |
| 01:15.07 | zinx_ | emma: that's what gnome looks like, more or less. you can choose other themes, it doesn't really matter |
| 01:15.21 | zinx_ | emma: different linux distributions is more about the packaging than about the capabilities/look |
| 01:15.21 | emma | yeah it just looks the same |
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| 01:15.39 | zinx_ | emma: they can all do the same things and/or look the same. |
| 01:15.43 | lolufail | how-to pick the right chunk size for a raid-5? google failed. |
| 01:15.55 | emma | i want to try out and learn new things. |
| 01:15.59 | Kobaz | lolufail: i wonder if there's an easy way to restore an lvm after a pmove was done, does pmove actually *move* the data, or does it copy it |
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| 01:16.13 | emma | i'm going to purge gnome and install xfce |
| 01:16.15 | emma | !xfce |
| 01:16.15 | dpkg | it has been said that xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . Etch: aptitude install xfce4 ; add " xfce4-goodies" to that line for even more plugins. |
| 01:16.17 | lolufail | some sites said large IO -> small chunks, others said the opposite -.- |
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| 01:16.38 | lolufail | kobaz: I dont know. Raid noob. |
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| 01:18.01 | lolufail | hey wtf.. can xfs occupy more space than ext3? |
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| 01:19.06 | lolufail | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:19.49 | emma | how can it be removing gnome while inside of a gnome terminal? |
| 01:19.52 | foug] | hello, i plan on using debian for web hosting. I have two hard drives, I'm installing debian on the smallest hard drive (40gb) But I'm wondering if there is any special way web/file servers should be partitioned? |
| 01:20.56 | foug] | I'm at the partition part of the installation. Guided with entire disk, LVM, LVM w/encryption or manual. LVM would be for dual booting, correct? |
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| 01:23.23 | tlmiller | LVM would be for reallocation partition sizes on the fly |
| 01:23.44 | foug] | so that'd be good if i wanted to put /var or something on a seperate partition? |
| 01:23.54 | mandy | oi |
| 01:25.14 | tlmiller | You'll want to read up on LVM before making assumptions on what it's good for. |
| 01:26.32 | Lagbolt | emma, xfce rules :) |
| 01:26.58 | emma | we will see when gnome finishes purging. |
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| 01:27.28 | emma | it takes quite a while to get rid of gnome. |
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| 01:27.35 | Lagbolt | i bet |
| 01:27.52 | amphi | emma: worth every second ;) |
| 01:28.11 | emma | heh |
| 01:28.16 | foug] | tlmiller: well just for the sake of getting this installed, yes or no to LVM on a web server? |
| 01:28.39 | Kobaz | oh shit |
| 01:28.43 | Kobaz | it worked |
| 01:28.45 | Kobaz | is fscking worked |
| 01:28.45 | lolufail | can anyone tell me why rsync makes incomplete files (drive images filled with 20% data and 80% zeros) occupy their maximum sizes on xfs while cp doesnt?! |
| 01:28.48 | trakinas | i like gnome. =( |
| 01:28.53 | Kobaz | lolufail: I RESTORED MY LVM |
| 01:29.04 | lolufail | kobaz: gratz |
| 01:29.11 | Kobaz | I LOVE YOU ALL |
| 01:29.14 | Kobaz | okay, dinner time |
| 01:29.50 | tlmiller | foug], Can't say I recommend for or against it. You'll have to read up if it fits the need for what you're trying to do. It adds complexity but adds flexibility. Only you know if the juice is worth the squeeze. |
| 01:30.04 | emma | the gnome login was still there though? |
| 01:30.08 | foug] | tlmiller: hmm, allright, will do, thanks |
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| 01:30.36 | tlmiller | removing gnome removes gdm so you'll be back at a console prompt. |
| 01:30.52 | emma | tlmiller: but it didn't quite do that. |
| 01:31.29 | emma | it got rid of a lot of stuff but when i restarted I still went to the same login screen, after i logged in i went to an empty screen. |
| 01:31.42 | emma | now i went to control+alt+f1 |
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| 01:32.04 | Lagbolt | emma, did you already install xcfe? you can prob select if from gdm in sessions |
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| 01:32.19 | emma | no i did not install it. |
| 01:32.26 | emma | i want all of gnome gone first. |
| 01:32.39 | Lagbolt | so whats left? gdm? anything else? |
| 01:32.40 | emma | why would there still be a GNOME dislay manager? |
| 01:33.14 | tlmiller | Not sure.... when I removed gnome, it took gdm off with it. Now I just "startx". |
| 01:33.34 | tlmiller | I am using sid tho |
| 01:33.35 | emma | i just did sudo apt-get remove --purge gdm from tty1 |
| 01:33.50 | Lagbolt | emma, how did you get rid of it? use aptitude purge gdm |
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| 01:34.05 | Lagbolt | sometimes does a better job getting rid of everything than apt-get |
| 01:34.05 | emma | i'll see if it's gone now. |
| 01:35.11 | tolle | I just set up a fresh lenny install. Am I just failing hard, or is there something fishy with the postgresql packages because no config files or stuff in /var/lib/postgres/8.3 is generated. |
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| 01:35.55 | foug] | heh, should i choose the option of "seperate /home, /usr, /var and /tmp partitions" for a basic, personal web server? |
| 01:36.10 | foug] | it's only a 40gb drive |
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| 01:36.31 | tlmiller | foug], if it's just for you to experiment on, you could put it all in one single partition |
| 01:36.52 | foug] | tlmiller: well i eventually want a working web server, but yea, just real basic, first time stuff ;P |
| 01:36.57 | stew | tolle: config files should be in /etc/postgresql/8.3 |
| 01:37.10 | tolle | yeah theres not even that folder. |
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| 01:37.34 | stew | tolle: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 01:37.51 | tlmiller | foug], it will get you by for a long long time. Breaking them up is good for if you have mulitple disks or are NFS mounting portions of your filesystem from other storage. |
| 01:38.03 | pdlnhrd | i am trying to find the ip address of a guest VM that is running on my box... i know the mac address of the guest... is there someway to figure out the ipaddress.... this machine is headless and in a rack and was hoping there was some commanline tool that would let me capture traffic looking for the ip address |
| 01:38.32 | foug] | tlmiller: i do have multiple disks, i wanted to use my slave drive for NFS |
| 01:39.20 | tlmiller | foug], Honestly, there is no "best way". It's a matter of what works best for you. |
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| 01:40.35 | tolle | stew: Doesn't seem to fix the issue |
| 01:40.54 | tlmiller | foug], you can set up custom mount points for that slave disk during install, or create them after just as easily. For what you described it doesn't sound like you can bork your install. |
| 01:41.10 | tolle | stew: shouldnt atleast /etc/postgresql/8.3/main/postgresql.conf show up when you search for the file on packages.debian.org ? |
| 01:41.11 | stew | tolle: which packages did you reinstall with confmiss? |
| 01:41.15 | Caelum | would bad things happen if I remove gconf? |
| 01:41.23 | tolle | postgresql, postgresql-common |
| 01:42.17 | foug] | tlmiller: allright cool, thanks |
| 01:43.30 | stew | tolle: you should reinstall postgresql-8.3 with confmiss |
| 01:44.15 | stew | tolle: its common for packages.debian.org to NOT find config files |
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| 01:46.25 | tolle | No change whatsoever. Seems rather weird. I installed the system about a hour ago. choosing databaseserver in tasksel during the install. |
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| 01:47.27 | tolle | and its not just config files. the postgresql stuff in /var is nowhere to be found either. |
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| 01:51.24 | emma | this is a little odd. |
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| 01:51.40 | emma | i would like to install xfce now. |
| 01:51.47 | foug] | would i need a swap partition on my slave hard drive? |
| 01:52.01 | emma | but when i did sudo aptitude install xfce4 it seemed to begin doing that. |
| 01:52.05 | trakinas | emma: apt-get install xfce |
| 01:52.17 | emma | but now when i restart i'm still getting the tty1 |
| 01:52.19 | trakinas | emma: or apt-cache search xfce |
| 01:52.21 | allos_nerelin | how do i search the package of debian? |
| 01:52.26 | allos_nerelin | ah |
| 01:52.28 | trakinas | and see what you'd like to install |
| 01:52.29 | allos_nerelin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.32 | allos_nerelin | xD |
| 01:52.47 | trakinas | emma: cause you dont have a session manager |
| 01:53.15 | emma | what is the session manager for xfce? |
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| 01:54.07 | emma | it looks like it might be xfce4-session |
| 01:54.09 | Lagbolt | emma, you can use xdm or wdm |
| 01:54.20 | trakinas | emma: not sure |
| 01:54.21 | Lagbolt | emma, you are talking about a replacement for gdm right? |
| 01:54.26 | Lagbolt | the graphical login |
| 01:54.49 | emma | i want to run xfce. I already did aptitude install xfce4 |
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| 01:54.53 | emma | and it seemed to install a lot of stuff. |
| 01:55.06 | emma | but when i did sudo shutdown -r now |
| 01:55.16 | trakinas | emma: just startx or xfce... probably startx |
| 01:55.23 | emma | it just brought me back to tty1 , i was expecting to see xfce desktop. |
| 01:55.29 | Lagbolt | emma, yeah you dont have a display manager. startxfce or startx |
| 01:55.57 | trakinas | emma: until you install a displaymanager, it will prompt you to tty1 |
| 01:55.59 | crichins | Is lenny still epected to be released as stable come september? |
| 01:55.59 | Lagbolt | emma, you have to startx. gdm was starting X and logging you in. if you want something similar with xfce you have to install something like xdm or wdm |
| 01:56.14 | emma | okay cool, thanks. |
| 01:56.42 | crichins | *expected - Sorry for the spelling error |
| 01:56.45 | emma | something else odd though is that initially at the tty1 login it says 'ipv6 routers not available' orsometing simliar. |
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| 01:57.17 | emma | what is that animal on the Xfce logo? |
| 01:57.41 | Lagbolt | its a rat |
| 01:57.43 | emma | It looks like one of those dogs that only wealthy old women enjoy. |
| 01:57.51 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 01:57.52 | trakinas | emma: rat |
| 01:57.54 | emma | How annoying. |
| 01:58.00 | Lagbolt | you can change that :) |
| 01:58.06 | trakinas | emma: it is a rat |
| 01:58.10 | allos_nerelin | http://pastebin.com/d3810f3b6 |
| 01:58.11 | allos_nerelin | =z |
| 01:58.15 | Lagbolt | in xfce settings there is a splash screen setting |
| 01:58.29 | trakinas | a disgusting rat that came from the swam |
| 01:58.32 | Lagbolt | allos_nerelin, did you try apt-get -f install? |
| 01:58.34 | Qew | hmm... always thought it was a mouse. |
| 01:59.17 | allos_nerelin | \o/ |
| 01:59.19 | allos_nerelin | thanks |
| 01:59.33 | Lagbolt | allos_nerelin, you did see that it told you to do that right? |
| 01:59.38 | trakinas | Qew: i keep forgetting the diffs of rat, mice, mouse. |
| 01:59.40 | Lagbolt | last line of your pastebin |
| 01:59.48 | trakinas | think mouse is american for rat. |
| 01:59.56 | Qew | mouse is smaller and doesn't get blamed for the plague ;) |
| 02:00.02 | allos_nerelin | =x |
| 02:00.18 | trakinas | Qew: ah! thanks. =P |
| 02:00.26 | Lagbolt | probably a mouse since they have a program called "mousepad" |
| 02:00.29 | emma | trakinas: i live in nyc where we have mice and rats, there is a big difference. |
| 02:00.56 | emma | if you find a mouse in your apartment you freak out, if you find a rat in your apartment you move out. |
| 02:01.02 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 02:01.09 | trakinas | emma: i know the difference in real world and in portuguese. =P |
| 02:01.22 | trakinas | emma: yep! =P |
| 02:01.29 | Caelum | rats++ |
| 02:01.35 | Caelum | rats are awesome |
| 02:01.38 | tlmiller | hamster |
| 02:01.47 | trakinas | Caelum: until you get bubonic |
| 02:01.50 | tlmiller | oh wait it has a long tail |
| 02:01.51 | tolle | stew: Heh, installing the etch postgresql-8.1 package works |
| 02:01.53 | Lagbolt | hamsters are a waiste of space |
| 02:01.56 | tlmiller | Maybe it's a chinchilla? |
| 02:02.10 | Lagbolt | hedgehogs , thats where its at |
| 02:02.33 | foug] | are there any specific mount options i should choose for an HD that'll be used for NFS? I'm checking some guides and it seems like noatime and sync are the only ones I can choose from |
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| 02:03.37 | emma | what is this in XfceMenu > Apps > Math > BC |
| 02:03.48 | trakinas | emma: here in my city, if you walk by night through the centre, you will see loads of rats. disgusting |
| 02:03.58 | Lagbolt | BC is great |
| 02:04.00 | trakinas | emma: no idea. clic. |
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| 02:04.06 | emma | it opens a terminal with the prompt em@dedekin:/usr/bin$ |
| 02:04.08 | Lagbolt | emma, it is a calculator |
| 02:04.24 | Lagbolt | BC works on command line, you can echo to it. great for bash scripts |
| 02:04.37 | emma | okay |
| 02:04.37 | Lagbolt | bc - An arbitrary precision calculator language |
| 02:04.48 | emma | what is the syntax? |
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| 02:04.56 | emma | 1+2 didn't doanything. |
| 02:04.59 | Lagbolt | emma, man bc |
| 02:05.03 | Lagbolt | you are not in it |
| 02:05.12 | Lagbolt | you have to "echo 1 + 2 | bc " |
| 02:05.18 | Lagbolt | you are at a terminal |
| 02:05.23 | trakinas | oh dear, why I tried to compile a v4l2 driver for my webcam? now modprobe complains about it. and i cannot make it work again. *sight* |
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| 02:06.03 | Lagbolt | trakinas, what does it complain? |
| 02:06.32 | emma | Lagbolt: so what's dc? |
| 02:06.38 | trakinas | Lagbolt: gspca: disagrees about version of symbol video_device_release |
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| 02:06.53 | trakinas | Lagbolt: gspca: Unknown symbol video_device_release |
| 02:07.09 | trakinas | will paste bin |
| 02:07.14 | emma | why does xfcemenu > apps > math > bc open a terminal in /usr/bin |
| 02:07.15 | trakinas | too many outputs |
| 02:08.02 | Lagbolt | emma, not sure why they set it up that way. not even sure why it is in the menu |
| 02:08.07 | trakinas | emma: cause it uses a terminal to output its interactions |
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| 02:09.43 | Lagbolt | too many outputs eh? what kinda webcam? what driver are you using? |
| 02:09.44 | emma | in many ways xfce is very reminicent of gnome to me. |
| 02:10.00 | Lagbolt | emma, it is a gtk desktop so it is very similar |
| 02:10.03 | emma | the file manager looks a lot like nautilus. |
| 02:10.04 | unop | emma, bc usually runs in a terminal .. your terminal emulator probably fails to run bc properly |
| 02:10.13 | Lagbolt | emma, just doesnt run all the extra stff |
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| 02:11.00 | emma | well unop, this is the terminal chosen by xfce so i would think it would work with the command they set up for bc. |
| 02:11.23 | binarymutant | is there a way to change the tab key in irssi to use the alt key instead of esc? |
| 02:11.49 | Lagbolt | emma, yeah it should exec bc in the terminal |
| 02:12.01 | Lagbolt | emma, if you run "bc" from term you can type math stuff directly in |
| 02:12.30 | unop | emma, maybe you've confused bc's prompt with the bash shell prompt? |
| 02:14.23 | unop | emma, if you type this in there and get 5 as a result, you are in bc. a=2;b=3;a+b |
| 02:15.50 | emma | yep it works. |
| 02:15.54 | vinc456 | is there a command to list the largest directory or directory with most number of files? i've gone over quota |
| 02:16.04 | emma | i did not confuse the prompts though. |
| 02:16.15 | emma | i had to type bc to get to bc at the bash prompt. |
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| 02:16.36 | Lagbolt | emma, its prob either a bug or just someone thinks if you want BC you prob know to use a term |
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| 02:16.52 | emma | xfcemenu > apps > math > bc opens an xfce terminal with the prompt: em@dedekind:/usr/bin$ |
| 02:16.56 | unop | vinc456, du -s */ | tail -n |
| 02:18.00 | Lagbolt | emma, my "bc" from my menu puts me into bc |
| 02:18.14 | Lagbolt | emma, you running etch? maybe older xfce menu is not up to par |
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| 02:18.41 | unop | vinc456, hmm, directories with most files .. would that mean files in the entire tree .. files in subdirectories and so on? |
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| 02:19.27 | vinc456 | unop: yep |
| 02:20.18 | unop | vinc456, hmm |
| 02:20.33 | emma | yep im running etch. |
| 02:20.44 | emma | i thought that etch is the current debian. |
| 02:21.01 | Lagbolt | etch is the current stable release |
| 02:21.12 | Lagbolt | lenny will be coming soon |
| 02:21.34 | emma | how long is the debian release cycle? |
| 02:22.02 | Lagbolt | emma, good question ;) i dont know. sometimes longer than others |
| 02:22.19 | vinc456 | du --max-depth=1 -h | sort -n |
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| 02:23.02 | allos_nerelin | How do I reinstall th package? |
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| 02:23.42 | Lagbolt | allos_nerelin, aptitude reinstall packagename |
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| 02:29.45 | vinc456 | ok, ls -laR | grep total | cut -c 7-999 | sort -g is pretty close to number of files but it's still not perfect |
| 02:31.25 | unop | vinc456, perl -MFile::Find -le 'for (glob q[*/]) { my $c; find(sub{$c++}, $_); $k{$_}=$c } END{print "$k{$_}\t$_" for keys %k}' |
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| 02:32.36 | vinc456 | unop: wow that is much better |
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| 02:32.37 | vinc456 | thanks |
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| 02:36.07 | emma | thunar seems better than nautilus to me. |
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| 02:41.11 | allos_nerelin | http://pastebin.com/d466547b6 |
| 02:41.14 | allos_nerelin | help-me |
| 02:42.52 | emma | you purge all of gnome, and then install xfce, and you look in 'show hidden files' and there's lots of that gnome stuff came right back. |
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| 02:46.58 | vinc456 | emma: are you talking about .files? |
| 02:47.04 | emma | yeah |
| 02:47.19 | emma | in thunar i asked to see the .files and i see lots of gnome stuff there. |
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| 02:49.29 | enouf | vinc456: i dunno, i kind of use this; $ du -b . | sort -rng | less (dirs only) and $ du -ab . | sort -rng | less (dirs AND files) ..maybe not what you want? |
| 02:51.19 | allos_nerelin | invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. |
| 02:51.20 | allos_nerelin | dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure): |
| 02:51.20 | allos_nerelin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.20 | dpkg | allos_nerelin: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 02:51.21 | allos_nerelin | @__@ |
| 02:51.43 | allos_nerelin | dependency problems - leaving unconfigured |
| 02:53.26 | Tramp | allos_nerelin: is this inside some weird virtualization? |
| 02:54.23 | allos_nerelin | I think yes! |
| 02:55.37 | Tramp | allos_nerelin: ah, virtual server or some such? |
| 02:57.12 | Tramp | allos_nerelin: whenever someone comes with this error, it's a virtualization. I just keep forgetting, what the problem is. |
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| 02:57.55 | Tramp | allos_nerelin: unless somebody knows the answer, try "sh -x /etc/init.d/mysql start" and see, what the problem is (or pastebin the output, if you don't see) |
| 02:58.52 | allos_nerelin | ok |
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| 03:01.34 | allos_nerelin | Tramp |
| 03:01.35 | allos_nerelin | http://pastebin.com/d2a104b23 |
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| 03:04.32 | Tramp | allos_nerelin: hmm. You seem to lack mysqladmin which is probably in mysql-client. But server depends on client ... |
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| 03:05.40 | enouf | you could try a aptitude{apt-get} install -f |
| 03:06.35 | Tramp | allos_nerelin: I don't know, why it seems not to get installed. Can you manually install mysql-client-5.0 and retry? |
| 03:06.36 | enouf | i guess |
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| 03:10.00 | allos_nerelin | yes Tramp |
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| 03:29.26 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 03:29.26 | dpkg | < ceige> dpkg: I'm not stupid! I use MSN! |
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| 03:32.16 | rue_mohr | is there a 'press enter to continue' method to go from apache1.3 to 2? |
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| 03:34.08 | simonrvn | no |
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| 03:36.26 | sarath | hi in etch,as i plug in my mobile phone, i see 5,6 icons for the usb in desktop for the same mount point.. |
| 03:36.31 | sarath | what could be the problem? |
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| 03:42.21 | foug] | why is there no sudo in debian? I get the error "-bash: sudo: command not found" |
| 03:42.47 | dmoerner | foug], sudo is not installed by default because you can use su |
| 03:43.01 | foug] | hmm, so there is a "sudo" package? o.O |
| 03:43.09 | nmh_2Grajw | foug]: aptitude install sudo |
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| 03:45.02 | foug] | thanks |
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| 03:47.05 | php6th | when i plug a USB drive, and i unplug it again, the same drive appears repeated in the file browser, how to fix? |
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| 03:50.31 | gigo | is there an expected date of release for Lenny? |
| 03:50.41 | grendal_prime | when its ready |
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| 03:50.46 | grendal_prime | sorry..hehehe i had to do that |
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| 03:51.04 | gigo | grendal_prime: any expected date when it may become ready? |
| 03:51.40 | grendal_prime | about the time its finished? but thats just an estimate. Dont quote me on that. |
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| 03:52.14 | grendal_prime | Actually i just find that question amusing...i use to wait for that sort of stuff for etch all the time... |
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| 03:53.06 | foug] | is there a way so that when I log in as root, only the name of the computer appears and not "root@"? |
| 03:53.11 | grendal_prime | i use kubuntu for my desktops now so i dont worry about it that much anymore. Whatever is stable works great for servers imho. |
| 03:56.03 | Skaperen | grendal_prime: are you sure you're not letting out a confidential secret about when it will be released? I mean, I hear people ask all the time, so it must be some kind of secret, right? :-) |
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| 03:57.21 | foug] | i am using debian without a gui, is there a way to change the font size? |
| 03:57.33 | Skaperen | foug: SVGATextMode |
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| 03:57.34 | grendal_prime | sometimes i just run on and on...burrp....http://release.debian.org/ |
| 03:57.55 | grendal_prime | oops...now damn it ...look what you made me do Skaperen!! |
| 03:57.56 | foug] | Skaperen: that's a single command? |
| 03:58.09 | Skaperen | foug: that's if your console is in text mode ... if in frame buffer mode, I don't know |
| 03:58.19 | foug] | ehhh, i don't understand |
| 03:58.20 | foug] | ;_; |
| 03:58.38 | Skaperen | foug: it's a program ... one that isn't maintained anymore as far as I can tell, but I beleive its still in a .deb |
| 03:58.55 | foug | aww crap, there's no way to just..do it? no package required? |
| 03:59.01 | Skaperen | foug: and so support for various video cards is now limited |
| 03:59.10 | cast | foug: when you boot, pass vga=ask to the kernel |
| 03:59.15 | Skaperen | foug: there is a limited amount you might be able to do with setfont |
| 03:59.34 | cast | foug: theres a list of options, vga=791 might be what ive used once |
| 03:59.35 | Skaperen | foug: what way do you want to change the font size? |
| 03:59.43 | foug | cast: i actually did that in gentoo, and it wasn't working o.O |
| 03:59.52 | foug | Skaperen: it's just so huge and big..and ugly.. |
| 04:00.07 | cast | i found when using vga=anything i got a lot slower terminal |
| 04:00.08 | Skaperen | and as <cast> says, you can get some video modes at BIOS time (the video card BIOS knows how to set them when it runs) |
| 04:00.09 | foug | this videocard is old (radeon 9600) and svgatextmode is in the repo's |
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| 04:01.18 | Skaperen | cast: you might be getting frame buffer mode ... I believe it has the higher mode numbers |
| 04:01.33 | foug | are you two good with editing .bashrc? |
| 04:02.13 | Skaperen | foug: I use emacs to edit .bashrc |
| 04:02.16 | cast | Skaperen: aye, i would say so, as i could then view images and play video |
| 04:02.26 | cast | but i could never work out how to crank up the refresh rate |
| 04:02.30 | foug | Skaperen: well, i'm trying to make it so that when i login to root, it only shows my hostname |
| 04:02.44 | Skaperen | cast: well you still could do that in plain text mode when using svgalib based programs, too |
| 04:02.52 | \amethyst | foug: as the prompt? |
| 04:02.57 | foug | \amethyst: yes |
| 04:03.30 | \amethyst | foug: PS1='\h\$ ' in root's .bashrc |
| 04:03.51 | \amethyst | \h is for hostname, \$ is for the $ or # at the end (# for root, $ for everyone else) |
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| 04:04.11 | foug | the .bashrc in /root is totally blank, should i copy them from my home directory into /root first? |
| 04:04.15 | sarath | was that a bug in etch to mount the same usb device multiple times? |
| 04:04.16 | Skaperen | foug: set environment variable PS1 ... you can set it dynamically with environment variable PROMPT_COMMAND |
| 04:04.25 | sarath | my friend is having an older version of etch |
| 04:04.43 | Skaperen | my current setting is: PROMPT_COMMAND=PS1="\u@\h:`exec pwd` "'\!> ' |
| 04:04.51 | Skaperen | you want something less than that |
| 04:05.42 | Skaperen | the \u gets replaced by the username and the \h gets replaced by the hostname and the \! gets replaced by the command number |
| 04:05.51 | foug | Skaperen: is that in the .bashrc in /home or /root? |
| 04:06.09 | Skaperen | note that the string in PROMPT_COMMAND is actually setting PS1 |
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| 04:06.34 | Skaperen | you would want to put that in the ~/.bashrc file for each user to be affected |
| 04:06.57 | \amethyst | Skaperen: why set PS1 at every prompt? |
| 04:07.01 | foug | hmm |
| 04:07.01 | Skaperen | or just type that in manually each time you login if you want to have to remember to do it :) |
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| 04:07.23 | Skaperen | \amethyst: for me, it lets me see the current directory, which changes |
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| 04:07.49 | Skaperen | \amethyst: you can just set PS1 alone if nothing would change |
| 04:08.04 | enouf | foug: i copied parts of my user's ~/.bashrc and made one in /root |
| 04:08.04 | sarath | my friend is using an older version of etch. As he plugs in his mobile phone,he sees multiple instances of the same usb device..and 5-6 icons on the desktop..was that a bug in etch,know how to cure that? |
| 04:08.39 | enouf | foug: the space between the $ and ' is important for legibility :-) |
| 04:08.45 | \amethyst | Skaperen: if you have the promptvars shell option on (it's on by default I believe), you can put a $VAR or $(command) string in PS1, and it will be executed each time the prompt is displayed |
| 04:09.35 | Skaperen | \amethyst: that's another way to do it |
| 04:09.47 | enouf | sarath: sounds like whichever automounter s/he's using is telling udev it's a new device, never seen before |
| 04:10.02 | \amethyst | Skaperen: I take it you don't want the $HOME abbreviation that \w does? |
| 04:10.03 | Skaperen | if you want to see my .bashrc to get ideas from: http://phil.ipal.org/dot.bashrc |
| 04:10.09 | foug | enouf: \amethyst Skaperen nice i got it, thanks guys |
| 04:10.44 | Skaperen | \amethyst: no ... that gives the home directory, not the current directory |
| 04:11.03 | sarath | enouf: its like, he will see multiple icons appended with 1,2,3... showing the same files.. |
| 04:11.33 | Skaperen | I tried to do the change with an alias of the "cd" command but that had problems and I don't remember now what it was |
| 04:12.25 | \amethyst | Skaperen: huh? |
| 04:12.32 | \amethyst | Skaperen: \w gives the current directory |
| 04:12.43 | Skaperen | \amethyst: sorry, what I meant is it does NOT give the home directory |
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| 04:13.07 | Skaperen | \amethyst: also \w shows the "tracked" directory, not the canonical directory |
| 04:13.42 | \amethyst | Skaperen: ahh |
| 04:13.44 | Skaperen | \amethyst: if I "cd" through symlinks, it shows the "perspective" directory... but I want to always see the _real_ directory I get in |
| 04:14.01 | Skaperen | \amethyst: and the "pwd" command figures that out |
| 04:14.05 | \amethyst | Skaperen: I had been wondering why you did `exec pwd` instead of `pwd` |
| 04:14.19 | \amethyst | Skaperen: `pwd -P` should work too |
| 04:14.22 | Skaperen | \amethyst: `exec pwd` skips a fork() call |
| 04:14.45 | \amethyst | Skaperen: it also means you get the pwd binary instead of the builtin |
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| 04:15.03 | Skaperen | right ... the builtin does the same issue as \w |
| 04:15.08 | \amethyst | Skaperen: the builtin will, by default, show the tracked (logical) directory, not the physical |
| 04:15.11 | \amethyst | hence -P |
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| 04:15.28 | SJrX | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.29 | \amethyst | then you can skip an exec as well as a fork |
| 04:15.35 | Skaperen | well I didn't see the -P or else it wasn't a feature 10 years ago when I started doing this |
| 04:15.46 | \amethyst | Skaperen: it might be more recent than that |
| 04:15.56 | Skaperen | well, actually, 13 years |
| 04:16.21 | Skaperen | has stuff in his scripts that predate Linux |
| 04:16.22 | linkmaster03 | I have the java extractor, where do I run it from? It creates the jre1.6.0_10 directory |
| 04:16.32 | Skaperen | has stuff in his scripts that predate GNU |
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| 04:16.47 | Skaperen | has first hacked Unix in 1983 |
| 04:17.08 | tonsofpcs | has a system V man on his bookshelf... |
| 04:17.18 | SJrX | was born in 1983 |
| 04:17.24 | Skaperen | tonsofpcs: how much dust on it :) |
| 04:17.26 | \amethyst | Skaperen: in bash, set -P will make cd pwd etc use the physical directory by default |
| 04:17.28 | linkmaster03 | C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKARRRRRRRRRRR |
| 04:17.37 | tonsofpcs | Skaperen: none, i dusted it off 5 years ago and flipped through it a few times |
| 04:17.41 | tonsofpcs | then i just moved a month ago |
| 04:17.42 | tonsofpcs | so it's fine |
| 04:17.49 | \amethyst | Skaperen: if you usually prefer that behaviour, it might be worth trying out |
| 04:17.49 | tonsofpcs | mind you, i'm younger than SJrX |
| 04:17.52 | tonsofpcs | i just have the man :) |
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| 04:17.57 | Skaperen | tonsofpcs: OK ... so it's still useful |
| 04:18.05 | enouf | shyam_k: sorry, no idea then - i stay away from automounters |
| 04:18.19 | rue_mohr | is there a pain free way to go from apache 1.3 to apache2 config wise? |
| 04:18.29 | shyam_k | is about to loose one customer:) |
| 04:18.49 | Skaperen | first got into computers with a mainframe that had only 64K of RAM (using magnetic core technology) ... 64K was all any computer would ever need :) |
| 04:19.09 | tonsofpcs | my first computer is set up in my 2nd bedroom now |
| 04:19.11 | tonsofpcs | Apple //c |
| 04:19.23 | rue_mohr | I only put mine away 2 years ago |
| 04:19.28 | rue_mohr | and mines an e |
| 04:19.37 | Skaperen | once had an Apple II ... the one with the _integer_ basic in ROM |
| 04:19.48 | linkmaster03 | anyone know :( |
| 04:19.49 | rue_mohr | I ahve a Z80 card and a mouse |
| 04:20.02 | Skaperen | that integer basic was fun ... negative statement numbers were legal |
| 04:20.03 | \amethyst | My Apple II was a clone (a Franklin Ace) |
| 04:20.15 | rue_mohr | is there a pain free way to go from apache 1.3 to apache2 config wise? |
| 04:20.25 | Skaperen | but I did more programming in 6502 ASM than in basic |
| 04:20.43 | simonrvn | rue_mohr: by reading the relevant docs, sure |
| 04:20.55 | shyam_k | is it possible to mount the same device at multiple places/ |
| 04:20.56 | shyam_k | ? |
| 04:20.57 | Skaperen | rue_mohr: going from 1.3 to 2 is not painful ... maybe a few itches to scratch |
| 04:20.57 | rue_mohr | how about a method with the words apt-get |
| 04:21.06 | simonrvn | !tell rue_mohr -about repeat |
| 04:21.17 | tonsofpcs | rue_mohr! |
| 04:21.28 | rue_mohr | !tell simonrvn -about answer |
| 04:21.34 | linkmaster03 | owned |
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| 04:21.51 | linkmaster03 | !tell linkmaster03 -about answer |
| 04:22.00 | linkmaster03 | lolo |
| 04:22.40 | simonrvn | rue_mohr: there is no "Press return to continue" way to do it. you're quite welcome to go stuff yourself into a windows workstation and suck on the caps, if you like. |
| 04:22.52 | shyam_k | enouf: if it was the same device, the mount command used by automounter will give error at the very second time right? so it should be like,the device has that much device instance detected? |
| 04:22.56 | simonrvn | linkmaster03: hardly. there is no factoid. |
| 04:23.01 | rue_mohr | so yo udont know, thankyou for saying so |
| 04:23.01 | enouf | shyam_k: if you want, write the guy/gal a udev rule for their phone - or play with whatever automounter they use - i mean, with so little specific info, even someone who knows about gadgets and automounting blunders would be left running their balls .. yes, their 'crystal' ones :-P |
| 04:23.21 | enouf | s/running/rubbing .. haha |
| 04:23.23 | shyam_k | yeah ok ill come back asking for more info.. |
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| 04:23.31 | simonrvn | rue_mohr: i quite know, i don't handhold people. i've done it myself. USING THE FUCKING MANUAL. |
| 04:23.34 | shyam_k | enouf: thanks.. |
| 04:23.34 | linkmaster03 | well does anyone know where java is installed to >_> |
| 04:23.39 | Skaperen | rue_mohr: try running apache 2 on an alternate port number only and test your configs to see how well things work |
| 04:23.40 | enouf | shyam_k: /msg dpkg sutomount |
| 04:23.44 | enouf | shyam_k: /msg dpkg automount |
| 04:23.51 | shyam_k | ah ok.. |
| 04:23.59 | Skaperen | rue_mohr: while leaving 1.3 on the old ones until you are ready to make the switch |
| 04:24.02 | simonrvn | !plonk |
| 04:24.02 | dpkg | plonk is probably the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker." |
| 04:24.07 | rue_mohr | so you saying there's a manual on installing apache2 on a debian machine in such a way it upgrades apache? |
| 04:24.14 | simonrvn | he's been asking that for almost 2 hours. |
| 04:24.25 | rue_mohr | as opposed to what its telling me now thats its gonna install beside it |
| 04:24.27 | rue_mohr | which I dont want |
| 04:24.34 | PiousMinion | Hi, my laptop refuses to sleep when initiated from gnome. It directs me to the quirks site even though issuing 'pm-suspend' with the same options in the fdi files works just fine. Ideas? |
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| 04:25.08 | gigo | what is generally the resolutoin for 14.1" WXGA laptops? |
| 04:25.23 | Skaperen | rue_mohr: what do you want to do: have 2 apaches and migrate carefully? or take the plunge in dive into apache 2? |
| 04:25.43 | Skaperen | gigo: 1280x800 |
| 04:25.51 | Skaperen | gigo: some might be less |
| 04:26.07 | rue_mohr | I want to say apt-get install ------- and have it remove apache, install apache2 and use the old config files to make the new ones |
| 04:26.17 | gigo | Skaperen: thanks! I'll try this. with 1024 x 768, everything seems stretched out horizontally |
| 04:26.32 | rue_mohr | cause unlike the theme here I regard apache 2 as an upgrade to apache |
| 04:26.44 | rue_mohr | I cant see why I would ever have them both installed at once |
| 04:27.16 | Skaperen | gigo: WXGA has a 16:10 aspect ratio |
| 04:27.23 | simonrvn | rue_mohr: i have, while in transition. it's quite easy. |
| 04:27.33 | rue_mohr | yea, I just installed apache2 |
| 04:27.37 | Skaperen | gigo: check "WXGA" on wikipedia |
| 04:27.37 | rue_mohr | thats not my problem |
| 04:27.54 | rue_mohr | I'm gonna have to spend hours figuring out something simple to get it working right |
| 04:28.03 | simonrvn | rue_mohr: you could have spent the 2 hours looking at the apache website to do the upgrade instead of spending it here and annoying people with it. |
| 04:28.39 | enouf | rue_mohr: try windows - works great ;) |
| 04:28.41 | rue_mohr | this is #debian, if I go to #apache, they will say to download the source and compile it, I run debian so I dont have to do that |
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| 04:28.56 | \amethyst | well, it does help to know about the debian-specific stuff |
| 04:29.03 | rue_mohr | if I ask about apache on debian, they will tell me to come here, thats how it works |
| 04:29.06 | enouf | no reading required - just call the NSA and let them know what you're changing ;-) |
| 04:29.10 | NeoIce | is there a way to make uxterm report 'xterm-color' ? |
| 04:29.19 | Skaperen | rue_mohr: lots of people run debian _and_ download sources and compile them, too |
| 04:29.40 | NeoIce | I've been doing that all weekend :) |
| 04:29.40 | rue_mohr | I do, when I want something specific, all I want to do is reverse proxy |
| 04:29.41 | rue_mohr | thats it! |
| 04:29.46 | rue_mohr | thats all I want |
| 04:29.49 | enouf | ooops, sorry, the NSA helpline is redirecting to DHS now ;-) |
| 04:29.57 | rue_mohr | but the maintainer dos't seem to have allowed for that |
| 04:30.11 | NeoIce | ssh -R ? |
| 04:30.13 | Skaperen | rue_mohr: so what is it you want to know? how to install? that's easy ... how to configure once it is installed? that's for #apache |
| 04:30.17 | rue_mohr | its a slim machine I dont want to have to put all the development packages on it to compile apache |
| 04:30.44 | rue_mohr | I want to know if the debian maintainers allowed anything to allow an upgrade path between the two |
| 04:31.04 | simonrvn | i guess reading simple READMEs is too hard then |
| 04:31.06 | abrotman | if you don't purge apache1 .. the conf files will remain and you can piece them in if you choose |
| 04:31.25 | simonrvn | ravenbird: be reading barbie |
| 04:31.26 | ravenbird | AAAAW! reading is too HARD! let's go shopping! |
| 04:31.28 | karlpinc | Do the charcters "--" do anything on the kernel command line? I notice them in the di pxelinux.cfg file but don't see anything in the syslinux docs on the web. |
| 04:31.29 | rue_mohr | no, apache2 config files are completely different even I know that |
| 04:31.31 | enouf | apt-get install apt-listchanges \o/ |
| 04:31.43 | Skaperen | rue_mohr: if installing apache 2 it does not replace apache 1.3 (and from what was said earlier, it seems to be the case ... I don't otherwise know) ... then you have 2 apache versions and could run BOTH |
| 04:31.54 | enouf | httpd.apache.org - see modular design ;-p |
| 04:32.04 | abrotman | note i said "piece" them in |
| 04:32.07 | karlpinc | (And I don't see -- in kernel-parameters.txt in the kernel docs either.) |
| 04:32.11 | Skaperen | rue_mohr: by having BOTH you can migrate more easily ... but you have to run them on separate IPs and/or separate ports |
| 04:32.20 | rue_mohr | yes, wonderfull, not helping, but wonderfull |
| 04:32.31 | rue_mohr | why cant I do that with every peice of software? |
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| 04:32.51 | rue_mohr | what if I want to use every version of xterm at once? |
| 04:33.20 | enouf | run kvm, or xen, or something |
| 04:33.22 | Skaperen | rue_mohr: well, apache is rather complex _and_ is frequently mission critical and needs careful migration |
| 04:33.38 | Skaperen | rue_mohr: lots of other software doesn't have that issue between versions |
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| 04:34.35 | Skaperen | rue_mohr: I believe minor versions of apache are upgrades ... the MAJOR version change (1 to 2) is parallel for reasons of the substantial semantics changes in the apache internals |
| 04:34.56 | enouf | karlpinc: it should mean end of options for last command listed |
| 04:35.28 | karlpinc | enouf : Yah, but this is booting the kernel. |
| 04:35.33 | Skaperen | rue_mohr: it depends on the software project involved and the experience of the packager with that software ... I'd trust he has a good reason to do it how he did (more likely "they" for apache) |
| 04:35.43 | PiousMinion | rue_mohr: The "2" in apache2 isn't a version number in the since that it's a minor upgrade from a nonexistent "1.9". If the xterm team decided to create an xterm2 you would have a similar issue. |
| 04:35.56 | Skaperen | rue_mohr: is the machine you are installing it on an "in production" machine? |
| 04:36.12 | enouf | karlpinc: show the full line you mean |
| 04:36.48 | dudeman | np: Death - Sound of Perseverance - Voice of the Soul |
| 04:36.51 | karlpinc | enouf : append priority=low vga=normal initrd=debian-installer/i386/initrd.gz -\ |
| 04:36.52 | karlpinc | - console=ttyS0,115200n8 |
| 04:36.54 | dudeman | oh |
| 04:36.56 | rue_mohr | no mission critical |
| 04:36.58 | dudeman | mother fucker |
| 04:37.13 | Skaperen | rue_mohr: <PiousMinion> is right about this ... and there are many reasons some people need to run both apache (1) and apache2 concurrently on the same machine |
| 04:37.14 | karlpinc | enouf : It's a pxelinux config line. |
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| 04:37.20 | dudeman | enouf, oy |
| 04:37.36 | enouf | correct, end of initrd options, iinm |
| 04:37.36 | karlpinc | enouf : (and forget about the \, it's an artifact of emacs) |
| 04:37.44 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.15 | enouf | karlpinc: pretty sure the regular installers also have lines like that - i've seen it a lot |
| 04:38.24 | enouf | also , other various livecds |
| 04:38.28 | karlpinc | enouf : Thanks. Where can I rtfm. I can't find -- anywhere for the kernel. |
| 04:38.47 | PiousMinion | Skaperen: I may be wrong about this, but I thought he was complaining that he couldn't use the configs from apache2 with older apache and that having both installed instead of upgrading one to the other was the issue. |
| 04:39.13 | enouf | i think it's a sh -ism ... heck, i couldn't find the "rhgb" option either in kernel-parameters.txt |
| 04:39.20 | enouf | maybe man bootparam ? |
| 04:39.32 | karlpinc | enouf : I'd a thought it was in the syslinux docs, or maybe pxelinux. |
| 04:39.34 | enouf | dudeman: hola |
| 04:39.58 | Skaperen | PiousMinion: he seemed to be confused about the "upgrade" path ... how he goes about it may depend on his network config ... for example if he has 2 or more IPs it gets easier |
| 04:40.16 | Skaperen | has 37 IPs over various servers |
| 04:40.36 | cast | we don't need ipv6, just less of Skaperen! |
| 04:40.41 | dudeman | enouf, /msg |
| 04:40.55 | firebird6191 | I am running Debian Lenny. I went to install the latest flash 10 rc. I have been using flash 10 already and installing by copying the libflashplayer.so to the proper locations. However, although I have removed all of the old libflashplayer.so files, about:plugins in iceweasel still shows flash although I haven't copied the new flash file yet. Also, I double-checked in Synaptic and I do not have flash installed at all. How can I resolv |
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| 04:41.23 | PiousMinion | Skaperen: After reviewing the IRC log for what I thought I knew about this subject it seems I was right in my assumptions. It seems you are speaking of something entirely different from what has been mentioned. |
| 04:41.34 | hoxu | firebird6191, "resolv" <-- got cut here - also, /msg dpkg flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 04:42.22 | Skaperen | PiousMinion: could be ... but he seemed confused and on the wrong track to me |
| 04:43.05 | Skaperen | PiousMinion: and I'm still not really knowing what he wants to accomplish |
| 04:43.44 | firebird6191 | hoxu: The sentence with "resolve" was "How can I resolve this issue?" Also, flashplugin-nonfree installs Flash 9 as opposed to 10 doesn't it? |
| 04:43.47 | Skaperen | PiousMinion: if you can figure it out for him, have at it ... since I'm new to Debian, there will be parts I don't know |
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| 04:43.58 | PiousMinion | Skaperen: He was wanting to upgrade from apache1.x to apache2 and have the configs carried over from what I could tell. Simply installing apache2 obviously didn't have that effect. |
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| 04:44.38 | Skaperen | PiousMinion: right ... he needs to do his own migration ... and not just because Debian forces him to ... but also because it's a good idea if he has a "production" web server |
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| 04:44.45 | hoxu | firebird6191, well, this isn't really a support channel for installing non-debian software... someone might help you anyway :) |
| 04:45.04 | Gm4n | has anyone gotten suphp working with etch & apache2? I can't manage it :( |
| 04:45.19 | Skaperen | PiousMinion: in that sense, Debian's packaging has done the right thing |
| 04:45.39 | dudeman | hm |
| 04:46.02 | PiousMinion | Skaperen: I agree completely. :) |
| 04:46.44 | PiousMinion | wait, there's a flash 10? |
| 04:46.57 | firebird6191 | hoxu: Ok, thanks. I had thought about that but I thought I would try here anyway. I tried gnash first, but it doesn't work well with youtube videos, etc., or at least that is my experience with it. |
| 04:47.38 | firebird6191 | PiousMinion: There is a Flash 10, but it is still in development, right now it is in an release candidate stage. |
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| 04:48.57 | PiousMinion | I wonder is flash 10 will run like shit on linux like 9 does. |
| 04:49.00 | PiousMinion | if* |
| 04:49.11 | Skaperen | I'm looking for a command/option (dpkg? apt-get?) that can simply output (to stdout) a list of what packages/versions are installed ... non-interactively, but for use inside a script |
| 04:49.24 | PiousMinion | dpkg -l |
| 04:49.24 | dpkg | PiousMinion: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 04:49.34 | PiousMinion | dpkg: not you. :P |
| 04:49.34 | dpkg | PiousMinion: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 04:49.39 | Skaperen | thanks ... didn't see that one |
| 04:50.05 | PiousMinion | it's not too scriptable, but you might be able to hack at it. |
| 04:51.13 | Skaperen | PiousMinion: looks parseable enough |
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| 04:51.26 | PiousMinion | I hate this. I can suspend(sleep) my laptop from command prompt, but not from gnome. Any ideas? |
| 04:51.45 | cast | join the commandline brotherhood |
| 04:52.28 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: are you a member of the powerdev group? |
| 04:52.28 | Skaperen | PiousMinion: is there an intended way to extract a list of what is installed on one systm with the intention of feeding that to another system to cause it to have exactly the same packages be installed? even the same versions? |
| 04:52.28 | cast | dpkg --get-selections |
| 04:52.28 | dpkg | cast: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 04:52.28 | Skaperen | PiousMinion: e.g. I want to make another machine be identical |
| 04:52.28 | \amethyst | Skaperen: dpkg --get-selections but it doesn't list versions |
| 04:52.44 | cast | i had to do that recently, i used dd :) |
| 04:52.58 | manu_hack | dpkg --list? |
| 04:52.58 | Skaperen | amethyst: and feeding that in somewhere? |
| 04:52.59 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, manu_hack |
| 04:53.05 | \amethyst | Skaperen: --set-selections |
| 04:53.10 | cast | if the disks are different though, could do a dump instead |
| 04:53.23 | Skaperen | amethyst: will that UNinstall what's NOT in the list, too? |
| 04:53.54 | \amethyst | Skaperen: you'll probably want --clear-selections as well |
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| 04:54.15 | PiousMinion | \amethyst: powerdev.... hmm. I'll try that. |
| 04:54.19 | linkmaster03 | ok |
| 04:54.22 | linkmaster03 | this is pissing me off |
| 04:54.25 | linkmaster03 | whenever i try to make a symlink with sudo ln /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.07/bin/java /usr/bin/java |
| 04:54.27 | Skaperen | amethyst: I have debian on a dedicated machine, installed by the ISP, and I changed a lot of packages to get things working better, and I need to set up a 2nd machine just like it now |
| 04:54.32 | linkmaster03 | the link tries to point to /usr/lib/jvm/java |
| 04:54.35 | linkmaster03 | i have no clue why |
| 04:54.47 | Skaperen | amethyst: the ISP only sets things up initially their standard way |
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| 04:55.36 | linkmaster03 | no wait, actually it links to /usr/jre/bin/java |
| 04:55.45 | linkmaster03 | i have no clue where its coming from |
| 04:55.51 | linkmaster03 | cause thats not what i typed with ln |
| 04:56.20 | PiousMinion | \amethyst: I'm now a member of powerdev and gnome still cannot sleep the pc. |
| 04:56.43 | PiousMinion | :( |
| 04:56.49 | Skaperen | amethyst: can the package names on dpkg --set-selections take the versions I get from dpkg -l ? |
| 04:57.11 | linkmaster03 | please somebody help me im about to shoot someone |
| 04:57.19 | Skaperen | or is it going to want to always put me at the latest version? |
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| 04:57.41 | Skaperen | hands <linkmaster03> a loaded 9mm |
| 04:57.58 | \amethyst | Skaperen: I don't think it can take versions--you'll always get whichever versions your apt_preferences selects |
| 04:58.06 | \amethyst | Skaperen: so usually the latest in your distro |
| 04:58.06 | linkmaster03 | thanks skaperen |
| 04:58.08 | PiousMinion | linkmaster03: remove the old link fist? MAke sure you have your link and target in the right order? |
| 04:58.16 | linkmaster03 | PiousMinion: done and done |
| 04:58.22 | \amethyst | Skaperen: apt-get can take version numbers on the command line |
| 04:58.51 | Skaperen | amethyst: I guess I need to review how to downgrade version numbers ... not that I have had to do that, yet ... but just in case |
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| 04:59.25 | linkmaster03 | ok yeah |
| 04:59.30 | linkmaster03 | i just removed the symlink right |
| 04:59.33 | \amethyst | Skaperen: apt-get install foo=2.3.22-1 bar=1.0-1 -fum will install the specified versions of foo and bar, and uninstall fum |
| 04:59.44 | PiousMinion | So no more ideas on why gnome can't sleep, but root can from terminal? |
| 05:00.01 | \amethyst | Skaperen: you could turn the output of dpkg -l into something like that with some scripting |
| 05:00.10 | Skaperen | amethyst: I guess I will have to do it that way after --clear-selections |
| 05:00.10 | linkmaster03 | then i typed sudo ln /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/java /usr/bin/java |
| 05:00.33 | linkmaster03 | and then the symlink /usr/bin/java looks like this http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/372/31augsun0059ix4.png |
| 05:00.36 | NeoIce | is there a way to make uxterm report 'xterm-color' ? |
| 05:00.41 | linkmaster03 | like, i didn |
| 05:00.42 | Skaperen | amethyst: yeah ... the scripting won't be hard if it's just <package>=<version> |
| 05:00.45 | linkmaster03 | even type in jre |
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| 05:01.44 | linkmaster03 | is my lenny on crack or some shit |
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| 05:01.49 | linkmaster03 | thats it, im doing fucking suicide |
| 05:01.58 | \amethyst | linkmaster03: because /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/java is itself a symlink |
| 05:02.10 | PiousMinion | linkmaster03: you're wanting to link what to what? |
| 05:02.14 | linkmaster03 | oh |
| 05:02.15 | linkmaster03 | shit |
| 05:02.19 | Skaperen | takes the 9mm back from <linkmaster03> before he hurts himself |
| 05:02.27 | PiousMinion | heh, listen to \amethyst. :P |
| 05:03.03 | linkmaster03 | ok wait |
| 05:03.31 | linkmaster03 | amethyst, the symlink in there still points to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java |
| 05:04.33 | \amethyst | linkmaster03: hm, you're right |
| 05:04.47 | \amethyst | linkmaster03: but |
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| 05:05.04 | \amethyst | linkmaster03: you didn't mention -s when you gave the command you used |
| 05:05.17 | linkmaster03 | whats -s do |
| 05:05.29 | \amethyst | linkmaster03: that makes a symlink |
| 05:05.37 | linkmaster03 | lol ill try it |
| 05:05.39 | \amethyst | linkmaster03: what you actually did was create a hard link to the symlink |
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| 05:05.58 | linkmaster03 | :o |
| 05:06.08 | linkmaster03 | whoa |
| 05:06.09 | linkmaster03 | sweer |
| 05:06.11 | linkmaster03 | sweet |
| 05:06.14 | linkmaster03 | can i kiss you or something |
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| 05:06.26 | linkmaster03 | meh |
| 05:06.29 | linkmaster03 | rapes \amethyst |
| 05:06.30 | \amethyst | linkmaster03: since the symlink in java-6-sun/bin/ pointed to ../jre/bin/java, the hardlinked symlink in /usr/bin was also doing so |
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| 05:06.39 | linkmaster03 | OHHHHHH :D |
| 05:06.47 | \amethyst | linkmaster03: execept in /usr/bin, ../jre/bin/java means /usr/jre/bin/java |
| 05:06.52 | linkmaster03 | ye ye |
| 05:06.54 | linkmaster03 | thanks |
| 05:06.55 | linkmaster03 | i love you |
| 05:06.59 | vadim | hi. Got a problem with my rhythmbox - it just freezes when i start it. What can the matter be? |
| 05:07.34 | Blast_Hardcheese | Maybe you have no rhythm? Have you considered alcohol? |
| 05:07.54 | \amethyst | Blast_Hardcheese: I thought that was a CD burner |
| 05:08.07 | Blast_Hardcheese | I was just being an ass :) |
| 05:08.13 | \amethyst | me too |
| 05:08.30 | Blast_Hardcheese | Oh, my mind completely blanked on that |
| 05:08.35 | Blast_Hardcheese | Good one |
| 05:09.00 | Blast_Hardcheese | I haven't given any thought to windows software in well over half a year... |
| 05:09.07 | Skaperen | ok ... is there a way to check what packages would be upgraded if I were to upgrade them all, but not actually do it, nor even add them to the selections, but just list them on stdout? |
| 05:09.14 | \amethyst | !pe |
| 05:09.14 | dpkg | [pe] Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:09.16 | \amethyst | doh |
| 05:09.33 | \amethyst | though now I'm wondering... |
| 05:09.36 | Blast_Hardcheese | Isn't there a -t flag for that purpose? |
| 05:09.36 | \amethyst | why pe? |
| 05:09.41 | \amethyst | oh, Peru |
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| 05:11.01 | \amethyst | --dry-run |
| 05:11.06 | linkmaster03 | licks and kisses \amethyst all over |
| 05:11.09 | linkmaster03 | my java works now |
| 05:11.24 | linkmaster03 | have my babies etc |
| 05:11.26 | Skaperen | amethyst: that's for me? in conjuction with what? |
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| 05:12.09 | \amethyst | Skaperen: apt-get --dry-run upgrade for example |
| 05:12.24 | \amethyst | Skaperen: or apt-get --dry-run install foo bar -baz fum |
| 05:12.24 | Skaperen | oh, OK, I was looking at dpkg |
| 05:13.07 | Skaperen | what I want to do is get a list of packages that are "behind" |
| 05:13.14 | allos_nerelin | How do I see package this installed? |
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| 05:14.55 | Skaperen | amethyst: it's trying to do a lock and can't ... I'm trying this as non-root ... do I need to be root to do that? |
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| 05:15.42 | \amethyst | Skaperen: not to get selections, but to do anything that involves updating the database, and maybe dry runs too |
| 05:16.00 | \amethyst | I haven't tried --dry-run as non-root, but I suspect it probably does require root |
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| 05:16.23 | Skaperen | I can get a list of installed packages w/o being root ... I want to get a list of packages for which an upgrade is available ... but I need to be root to do that? |
| 05:16.54 | Skaperen | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) |
| 05:17.15 | Skaperen | if it's a dry run, it shouldn't need a lock |
| 05:18.00 | \amethyst | if the database changed during the dry run, it could do the dry run incorrectly |
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| 05:18.19 | \amethyst | but, yeah, it's kind of silly |
| 05:18.38 | \amethyst | anyway, you can probably do an aptitude search... thinking |
| 05:18.47 | Skaperen | sounds like it's going through a lot more motions with that, than just comparing what's installed to what's available |
| 05:18.49 | \amethyst | oh |
| 05:18.58 | \amethyst | aptitude search '~U' |
| 05:19.23 | \amethyst | that will list all 'upgradeable' packages |
| 05:19.44 | Skaperen | man page for aptitude comes out formatted funny |
| 05:20.14 | \amethyst | the search patterns aren't in the manpage unfortunately |
| 05:20.59 | \amethyst | /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html |
| 05:21.03 | Skaperen | even so, this man page seems to be broken somewhere ... dpkg and apt-get come out OK, so it's apparently not the man program |
| 05:21.25 | Skaperen | might be the termcap entry for my terminal (screen) |
| 05:21.43 | \amethyst | Skaperen: oh, I'm seeing the same thing on etch, weird |
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| 05:22.06 | \amethyst | maybe not the same thing, but a bunch of nroff formatting codes |
| 05:22.08 | jaek | um what is a nice nes emulator? fceu sucks balls... |
| 05:22.12 | \amethyst | \fBinstall\fR etc |
| 05:22.42 | Skaperen | yeah, that's what I get |
| 05:22.53 | Skaperen | I just tried w/o screen, same problem |
| 05:23.33 | Skaperen | TERM=linux and TERM=screen.linux both do it |
| 05:24.05 | \amethyst | Skaperen: it's something with groff. The nroff code in the manpages uses \efR and \efB |
| 05:24.11 | \amethyst | Skaperen: which I've never seen before |
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| 05:24.27 | Skaperen | maybe I need to upgrade man and/or manpages :) |
| 05:24.44 | allos_nerelin | How do I see package this installed? |
| 05:24.54 | \amethyst | Skaperen: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=438725 |
| 05:25.10 | Skaperen | I have groff-base installed but nothing else matching "roff" |
| 05:25.22 | \amethyst | Skaperen: it's actually a problem with the man page |
| 05:25.29 | Skaperen | OK |
| 05:25.37 | \amethyst | Skaperen: not groff at all... it's fixed in lenny |
| 05:25.48 | \amethyst | Skaperen: but will not be fixed in etch |
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| 05:25.53 | Skaperen | the man page is fixed in lenny? |
| 05:26.50 | \amethyst | Skaperen: yes |
| 05:26.57 | Skaperen | I have version "4.0" ... that's etch? |
| 05:27.04 | \amethyst | Skaperen: the '\fB' stuff anyway |
| 05:27.06 | \amethyst | Skaperen: yes |
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| 05:27.34 | Skaperen | so when will lenny be out ... oh wait, I already know :) |
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| 05:29.13 | simonrvn | wir |
| 05:29.16 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 05:30.02 | dudeman | hey |
| 05:30.03 | dudeman | simonrvn, ! |
| 05:30.19 | simonrvn | hi |
| 05:30.25 | dudeman | whats up |
| 05:31.11 | Skaperen | so the command "aptitude search '~U'" gave me no output? That means no packages to upgrade since I last upgraded a few months ago? |
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| 05:33.19 | foug | when i choose the "SQL server" option for how i want debian to install, does it install mysql? |
| 05:34.50 | hoxu | foug, tasksel --task-packages database-server; man tasksel |
| 05:35.04 | foug | hmm, allright, thank you |
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| 05:40.58 | Skaperen | anyone else know how to get a list of whick packages which I already have installed have upgrades available? |
| 05:41.02 | Skaperen | which |
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| 05:43.04 | foug | Skaperen: try "dpkg --list" |
| 05:43.15 | Skaperen | foug: doesn |
| 05:43.32 | Skaperen | foug: doesn't that just list all the packages that are installed? |
| 05:43.33 | foug | oh, you wanna see which have upgrades available |
| 05:43.34 | foug | hmm |
| 05:43.35 | foug | yea |
| 05:43.39 | Skaperen | yes |
| 05:43.54 | click170 | apt-get upgrade |
| 05:43.55 | foug | apt-get update? |
| 05:44.07 | Skaperen | I was told to try "aptitude search '~U'" and that doesn't do anything |
| 05:44.16 | Skaperen | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) |
| 05:44.25 | SJrX | Are you root? |
| 05:44.29 | Skaperen | I want the list ... not actually do an upgrade |
| 05:44.38 | Skaperen | no, not root |
| 05:44.45 | SJrX | Hmmmmm |
| 05:44.52 | SJrX | try as root |
| 05:44.54 | click170 | Well running that command wil tell you which packages are upgradable and prompt you to continue, or not. |
| 05:44.57 | Skaperen | this is for a cron script to run each day to email me a list of stuff |
| 05:45.05 | click170 | ah |
| 05:45.18 | SJrX | sudo then :P |
| 05:45.22 | \amethyst | Skaperen: if you haven't done an update as root, there probably aren't new upgrades available, at least that apt knows about |
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| 05:45.34 | Skaperen | but I don't want it to actually update anything ... I want to do that manually |
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| 05:45.59 | SJrX | Can you get a list of packages installed in the system as non-root |
| 05:46.00 | Skaperen | amethyst: I did this as root: apt-get update |
| 05:46.11 | foug | for setting up a web/file server, is it best to install minimal debian, standard install, and manually install apache and nfs? |
| 05:46.23 | \amethyst | Skaperen: and still ~U shows nothing? |
| 05:46.23 | SJrX | foug in general that's what I would do |
| 05:46.24 | \amethyst | Skaperen: hm |
| 05:46.27 | \amethyst | Skaperen: I wonder |
| 05:46.30 | Skaperen | I'd rather not have the cron script run as root |
| 05:46.40 | SJrX | Skaperen then use sudo |
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| 05:47.18 | Skaperen | which command is the sudo needed for? |
| 05:47.36 | SJrX | sudo will let you give root access to certain applications, I belive you can even restrict options with it too |
| 05:47.46 | Skaperen | I don't want anything to be upgraded ... updating the package info db is OK tho |
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| 05:48.04 | SJrX | right so sudo might allow your cron script to run "apt-get update" |
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| 05:48.27 | \amethyst | Skaperen: wait |
| 05:48.40 | Skaperen | OK, that much is fine ... I did this manually just a few minutes ago to test the command: aptitude search '~U' |
| 05:48.49 | \amethyst | Skaperen: do you have security.debian.org in your sources list? |
| 05:49.03 | \amethyst | Skaperen: if not, it's not entirely surprising that there have been no updates |
| 05:49.14 | Skaperen | I did "apt-get update" manually in a root shell ... then did "aptitude search '~U'" manually in a user shell |
| 05:49.29 | Skaperen | amethyst: don't know |
| 05:49.46 | Skaperen | amethyst: what command to get a list of what you need to know? |
| 05:49.49 | \amethyst | Etch is stable, so other than security updates it doesn't change |
| 05:49.57 | \amethyst | Skaperen: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:50.14 | \amethyst | !security |
| 05:50.14 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ended March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 05:51.28 | Skaperen | dammit ... pastebin thinks that list is spam |
| 05:51.57 | Skaperen | just edit it in? |
| 05:52.36 | \amethyst | Skaperen: yes, then do apt-get update |
| 05:53.05 | Skaperen | ah, looks like it was there already but commented out |
| 05:53.15 | Skaperen | #deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 05:53.15 | Skaperen | #deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 05:53.33 | foug | SJrX: besides packages like NFS, Apache and MySQL, what else is required for a webserver? |
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| 05:55.05 | Skaperen | http://rafb.net/p/k2H3Hb49.html <-- see what's in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:55.24 | Skaperen | as just edited |
| 05:56.19 | SJrX | foug depends on the Apps you are running, sometimes PHP |
| 05:56.29 | Skaperen | OK, got a list of a few packages |
| 05:56.31 | SJrX | I assume if you have Apache and MySQL you need perl, python, php or something |
| 05:56.46 | Skaperen | so that was the problem ... "security" was not in the list |
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| 05:57.32 | foug | SJrX: hmm, allright. |
| 05:58.02 | Skaperen | and the only thing in the list I actually use is the linux kernel |
| 05:59.43 | Skaperen | so a "stable" release doesn't get package version updates at all, only the security updates? |
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| 06:00.51 | \amethyst | Skaperen: right |
| 06:01.29 | \amethyst | Skaperen: 'stable' in Debian usage means 'unchanging' not 'uncrashing' |
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| 06:03.06 | Skaperen | about what Slackware does other than it's -current version |
| 06:03.16 | Skaperen | sounds good enough to me |
| 06:04.08 | Skaperen | so if something doesn't work and I need a new feature in some package that just recently came out, I'd have to explicitly upgrade to that version of the package in some way? |
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| 06:04.30 | Skaperen | or would I have to switch to the "unstable" debian? |
| 06:05.06 | hoxu | !upgrade path |
| 06:05.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, upgrade path is install <stable> first, then use <backports.org> if you need newer software, then maybe <simple sid backport>, upgrade to <testing>, use <pinning>, and when you want to abandon all hope, go for <unstable> |
| 06:05.37 | hoxu | Skaperen, unstable is the end of the road. And there is *no* turning point. |
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| 06:11.01 | wols | 000 |
| 06:11.20 | Skaperen | hoxu: so it would be best for me to stay on stable and if I find I need a feature in some package that needs a newer version, cross that bridge when I get to it? |
| 06:11.48 | wols | Skaperen: yes |
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| 06:13.04 | Skaperen | wonders if anyone has fallen off the etch^h^h^h^hedge |
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| 06:15.22 | n-iCe | why are some packages in The following packages have been kept back: |
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| 06:25.15 | wols | !kept back |
| 06:25.15 | dpkg | from memory, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 Ask me about <dist-upgrade>. |
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| 06:35.57 | shyam_k | anyone here with ericsson mobile phone with walkman? |
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| 06:36.49 | shyam_k | i just tried to copy an mp3 which i made from a theora video by just ffmpeg -i file.ogg file.mp3.. file.mp3 is playing in system but not in mobile |
| 06:37.14 | shyam_k | its getting detected as mp3 file,but length is unknown as for the phone and its not playing the sound.. |
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| 06:50.17 | eps | some time over the past year debian stopped detecting my cd burner correctly so I can no longer burn disks (I can still read) - wodim says it cannot find a device - the burner still works. how should I go about trouble shooting this? |
| 06:51.02 | eps | . |
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| 06:51.27 | shyam_k | eps: try with gnomebaker or k3b? |
| 06:51.56 | cahoot | why would the manage what wodim does not? |
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| 06:52.04 | eps | gnomebaker has the same issue, k3b requires ten billion packages (I cannot download what it needs due to isp restrictions) |
| 06:52.05 | cahoot | s/the/they/ |
| 06:53.27 | eps | I never learnt how to burn from the command line so I haven't been able to obtain a more verbose error, but it appears that gnomebaker is expecting the burner at /dev/hda so there is a detection problem some where |
| 06:53.43 | enouf | eps: udevinfo -q all -n /dev/hda |
| 06:54.19 | eps | oh, my burner is at /dev/hda |
| 06:54.21 | enouf | eps: dmesg | egrep -i 'sr|scd|atapi' |
| 06:54.55 | eps | no results returned for dmesg, udev returns burner information (do you want pastebin?) |
| 06:55.21 | enouf | ..or i could just guess what it says :-P |
| 06:55.42 | eps | people have stranger past times ;) |
| 06:56.08 | eps | http://pastebin.com/d2b80af1d |
| 06:56.09 | Skaperen | eps: cdrecord -scanbus | egrep -i 'cd|dvd' |
| 06:56.34 | Skaperen | eps: that will give you the device numbers the cdrecord command likes (because the author of it is crazy) |
| 06:56.46 | eps | so I've read |
| 06:56.57 | enouf | eps: you might have stale entries in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-cd.rules |
| 06:57.11 | enouf | cdrdao scanbus |
| 06:57.50 | enouf | eps: yeah, your Symlinks are all xxx2 now |
| 06:58.03 | enouf | cdrom2, dvdrw2 etc |
| 06:58.38 | eps | I have tried telling gnomebaker to use /dev/dvdrw2 but it still fails on wodim |
| 06:59.05 | enouf | eps: ls -l /dev/disk/by-* |
| 06:59.09 | eps | note I have no cd rules |
| 06:59.22 | enouf | why not? |
| 06:59.35 | eps | udev hates me? I have rules for other things |
| 06:59.36 | enouf | ubuntu? |
| 06:59.41 | eps | nope, debian |
| 06:59.46 | Skaperen | here's the command line I use (YMMV): cdrecord dev=4,0,0 -v -eject -data -pad myfile.iso |
| 07:00.06 | eps | this install is getting pretty old now (3 years of testing) |
| 07:00.07 | enouf | eps: # This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_cd_rules |
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| 07:00.23 | Skaperen | if you have a SATA or USB burner, you should be OK ... IDE ones get cranky with cdrecord |
| 07:00.30 | enouf | eps: is udevd running? |
| 07:00.39 | enouf | eps: how about hal? and dbus? |
| 07:00.40 | eps | yes |
| 07:00.53 | eps | yes to all |
| 07:01.06 | enouf | eps: grep hda /etc/fstab |
| 07:01.19 | enouf | eps: mount | grep hda as well |
| 07:01.39 | eps | no results returned for either :/ |
| 07:01.57 | eps | that's odd, fstab /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 |
| 07:02.06 | enouf | erm .. might want to add a line like; ... hahaha |
| 07:02.26 | enouf | old kernel .. meet new kernel .. meet old kernel |
| 07:02.43 | eps | okay now I'm confused, the drive works fine - I've had five dvd's in there today alone and all have mounted fine |
| 07:02.58 | enouf | eps: as root - > /lib/udev/write_cd_rules ..but just change that to /dev/hda, not scd0 |
| 07:03.12 | enouf | what? |
| 07:03.29 | eps | so, if I change fstab to have the correct information, will I break what ever is correctly mounting disks currently? |
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| 07:03.35 | enouf | eps: who;s kernel? |
| 07:03.59 | eps | standard debian testing :/ |
| 07:04.24 | enouf | eps: well, if you have only ine optical drive, and it's hda in dmesg and the other places i mentioned - and udev certainly sees it as scuh |
| 07:04.37 | eps | okay |
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| 07:05.29 | foug | how do i make so that i don't have to root to run ifconfig and ping, and probably a lot of other tools? |
| 07:05.44 | enouf | just go over everything i said, work it out, then upgrade wodim if you want, then try with -scanbus or -atip -prcap |
| 07:05.57 | enouf | use dev=/dev/hda |
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| 07:06.40 | squid | all my MTA installs are failing with 'hostname: Unknown host' , despite sanity in /etc. anyone seen this or should i just ar x and untar? |
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| 07:06.57 | enouf | eps: and tell whatever automounters you're using to F off :-) |
| 07:07.24 | squid | how do i get installs to write /etc/init.d files? dpkg-reconfigure and apt-get --reinstall dont do it. nor does resinatlling sysvinit-rc-files |
| 07:07.42 | enouf | update-rc.d |
| 07:07.52 | squid | no that creates symlinks if the /etc/init.d file exists |
| 07:07.57 | enouf | or /msg dpkg rcconf |
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| 07:08.12 | enouf | oh .. duh - my bad |
| 07:08.24 | squid | id use paludis, but intel atom is kinda slow for compiling, heh |
| 07:08.27 | enouf | you need to rerun he .postinst scripts |
| 07:08.31 | squid | ok |
| 07:08.48 | squid | maybe --reinstall has a --really-reinstall option to do everything |
| 07:08.51 | enouf | squid: apt-get --reinstall install <pkg> |
| 07:08.59 | squid | yeah, that doesnt do it |
| 07:09.03 | squid | thanks for your help tho |
| 07:09.04 | squid | im sure im close |
| 07:09.08 | enouf | then confmiss |
| 07:09.09 | squid | i can always untar and copy over the init.d files |
| 07:09.11 | eps | DEVPATH=/dev/hda /lib/udev/write_cd_rules returns /dev/hda is not a CD reader. |
| 07:09.15 | enouf | !confmiss |
| 07:09.15 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 07:09.31 | squid | ah, thats it! |
| 07:09.32 | enouf | eps: haha |
| 07:09.53 | eps | well that would be it, if, the drive didn't have 'dvd burner' on it :P |
| 07:09.59 | enouf | eps: maybe you should dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version and then reboot |
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| 07:10.28 | enouf | eps: newer kernels will use libata, so sr0 and scd0 are now the norm |
| 07:10.37 | eps | this hasn't been working for awhile, I've just not been desperate enough to burn anything for awhile. over several kernel upgrades already |
| 07:10.41 | enouf | eps: even for PATA optical drives |
| 07:11.12 | enouf | start upgrading and reinstalling shit :-P |
| 07:11.22 | eps | that good ey :/ |
| 07:11.47 | enouf | eps: you never showed me lots of info yet |
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| 07:13.50 | eps | scanbus results http://pastebin.com/d252cb3f4 |
| 07:13.59 | enouf | [02:57:35] <enouf> eps: ls -l /dev/disk/by-* ..and no mention of outcome after you altered /etc/fstab, nor running the d-r command - nor if you ever did a full upgrade to lenny, .. ,maybe your BIOS settings need tweaking for sata/pata peculiaritiies |
| 07:14.42 | enouf | eps: try burning using dev=ATA:0,0,0 |
| 07:14.58 | enouf | eps: or using dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 even |
| 07:15.25 | squid | if you bilt your kernel just disable IDE/MFM/RLL toplevel entirely, else it 'steals' the device and scres up naming (hd* vs sd*) and often uses crappier driver as well |
| 07:16.04 | eps | http://pastebin.com/d394d07f9 |
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| 07:17.05 | eps | editing fstab changed nothing, this install has been rolling since sarge was testing using upgrade weekly - no other changes or dist-upgrades |
| 07:17.15 | eps | no dice using atapi |
| 07:17.29 | eps | reinstalling wodim |
| 07:17.48 | enouf | eps: i bet if you alter line 3 to say, ../../sr0 or ../../scd0 instead of hda, it'll all go away :-P |
| 07:17.53 | eps | also going to try with cdrecord as the gnomebaker backend |
| 07:18.23 | enouf | what about ATA .. it's not the burning app issue |
| 07:18.25 | eps | line 3 of what? |
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| 07:18.34 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.37 | deakillo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.43 | coll | someone with orion(network and system monitoring) on debian? it doesnt appear to gather data. any ideas? |
| 07:18.44 | enouf | your paste eps |
| 07:18.56 | enouf | 3. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2008-08-30 01:06 ata-HL-DT-ST_DVDRAM_GSA-4160B_K7149NF5002 -> ../../hda |
| 07:18.59 | eps | okay |
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| 07:19.21 | enouf | eps: also, clear out entries in /etc/blkid.tab |
| 07:19.30 | squid | deakillo: dont use but have one? BIOs can disable |
| 07:20.26 | squid | deakillo: if you have a /dev/fd0 and no floppy, you can proably ban the module from loading somehow, or click a checkbox in your desktopmanager's desktop config? |
| 07:20.30 | enouf | deakillo: haha, sounds like knoppix 3.6 behaviour, haha |
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| 07:20.36 | foug] | i can only ifconfig as root, how do i change this? |
| 07:20.47 | squid | suid bit perhaps? |
| 07:20.52 | deakillo | enouf.. maybe cause im using vmware |
| 07:21.06 | squid | foug]: or a path issue, but theres usually a reason stuff is /sbin |
| 07:21.11 | enouf | *shrugs* |
| 07:21.18 | foug] | hmm |
| 07:21.33 | squid | /sbin/ifconfig as user here works |
| 07:21.36 | squid | just a PATH issue |
| 07:21.41 | enouf | deakillo: but you can tell your DE not to display certain drives |
| 07:21.51 | foug] | yea that works for me |
| 07:21.55 | foug] | just regular ifconfig does not |
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| 07:22.16 | squid | export PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH (and expect warning/errors from half the stuff there, not to mention security risks) |
| 07:22.24 | foug] | enouf: i did the most basic install of debian, think i need a package or anything? |
| 07:22.27 | enouf | deakillo: for kde it's kcontrol , or Kmenu --> K Control Center |
| 07:23.06 | deakillo | thanks |
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| 07:26.40 | foug] | squid: ok wait, how do i add /sbin/ to my $PATH? |
| 07:26.47 | squid | foug]: i said |
| 07:26.55 | squid | you can throw htat line in ~/.bashrc or somethin |
| 07:27.11 | foug] | oh, allright, thanks |
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| 07:27.27 | squid | gentoo has a 'ROOTPATH' option for /etc/env.d that appends differently depending on user type. i cant find an equiv for /etc/env.d/ on debian, but maybe i didnt look hard neough |
| 07:27.33 | enouf | eps: sorry, i missed line 32 as well .. 32. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2008-08-30 01:06 pci-0000:02:02.0-ide-0:0 -> ../../hda |
| 07:28.03 | enouf | eps: i would like to see your lspci -nn output |
| 07:28.06 | squid | not that tightly-coupling a environment-generatio scheme with a distro is a good idea, but its convenient |
| 07:28.20 | eps | yeah just fixed that then, give me a moment for lspci |
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| 07:29.35 | eps | http://pastebin.com/ddf6e8f1 |
| 07:29.59 | eps | I still cannot get wodim -devices to detect anything (0 found) |
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| 07:31.30 | enouf | eps: i never heard of the -devices option, but .. since you reboot, does sr0 or scd0 appear? did you dpkg-reconfigure l-k-image? |
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| 07:32.13 | enouf | man pastebin.COM sucks - no plain text mode :-( |
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| 07:34.10 | eps | rebooting again |
| 07:34.19 | enouf | eps: your DVD drive is on a PCI Card? |
| 07:34.41 | eps | no, it is connected direction to the motherboard |
| 07:35.20 | eps | back in a couple of minutes |
| 07:35.36 | enouf | it821x |
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| 07:41.48 | eps | wodim now returns the correct information, lets see if I can burn |
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| 07:43.03 | `6og | thought your host said aarnet for a moment |
| 07:43.28 | eps | that wouldn't be unusual for me :/ |
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| 07:44.15 | eps | http://pastebin.com/d61210d82 |
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| 07:45.20 | eps | sr0 and scd0 devices were not created, everything still points to hda (cdrw2 and cdrom2) |
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| 07:51.18 | eps | well I give up, thank you for your help enouf |
| 07:51.46 | enouf | hrm |
| 07:51.53 | enouf | won't burn? |
| 07:52.37 | enouf | eps: what does wodim -atip -prcap dev=/dev/hda say? |
| 07:52.46 | eps | oh this looks like fun http://pastebin.com/d61210d82 dmesg output |
| 07:52.48 | enouf | you said you can use dvds? |
| 07:53.16 | enouf | eps: and what's your wodim version? |
| 07:53.28 | eps | 1.1.8 |
| 07:53.42 | enouf | erm, no dmesg? same paste? |
| 07:54.10 | eps | http://pastebin.com/d49543054 ? |
| 07:55.07 | enouf | eps: thats nothing |
| 07:55.23 | eps | it's spamming dmesg rather a lot for nothing :/ |
| 07:55.30 | enouf | eps: i know |
| 07:55.45 | eps | http://pastebin.com/d2dfc6047 |
| 07:55.53 | enouf | eps: but that's a printk issue - nothing wrong with the drive |
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| 07:57.07 | enouf | eps: heh, try dev=ATA:1000,0,0 |
| 07:57.21 | eps | where? |
| 07:57.42 | enouf | in any wodim -prcap command |
| 07:57.55 | enouf | eps: put a CD or DVD in the drive |
| 07:58.38 | enouf | eps: what's dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/hda say (with a dvd in the drive) |
| 07:58.47 | enouf | and where's your dmesg? |
| 07:59.01 | squid | might i suggest trashing your optical drives |
| 07:59.09 | enouf | and fstab and /dev/disk/* |
| 07:59.22 | squid | lenny nightly iso build worked great over pxe and usb, thanks whoever set that up! |
| 07:59.32 | enouf | that particular optical drive is nothing but PITA in linux |
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| 08:00.38 | eps | the drive is no longer taking commands, guessing the symlinks are wrong or some thing like that :/ |
| 08:00.40 | enouf | ls /sys/block/* |
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| 08:01.36 | eps | hda is the results |
| 08:01.42 | enouf | well, show me eps which ones - your dmesg should be showing sr0, etc |
| 08:01.52 | eps | dmesg|grep sr0 |
| 08:01.56 | enouf | is your drive connected to 02:02.0 Mass storage controller [0180]: Integrated Technology Express, Inc. ITE 8211F Single Channel UDMA 133 [1283:8211] (rev 11) |
| 08:01.57 | enouf | ? |
| 08:02.12 | enouf | lsmod | grep it821x |
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| 08:02.58 | eps | dmesg is unusable, it is spammed with the previous error 0x58 |
| 08:03.04 | eps | http://pastebin.com/d2b0899bd lsmod return |
| 08:03.06 | enouf | lsmod | grep 'it821x|ata_piix' |
| 08:03.09 | enouf | ok |
| 08:03.23 | eps | the drive is probably connected to that mass storage controller |
| 08:03.24 | enouf | eps: cat /var/log/dmesg <-- always clean |
| 08:03.36 | eps | oh handy |
| 08:03.57 | eps | great for both sr0 and scd0 on dmesg return nothing |
| 08:04.00 | eps | grep* |
| 08:04.14 | enouf | ok, it's a stubborn fucker |
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| 08:04.29 | enouf | eps: lsmod | grep ata_piix |
| 08:04.32 | eps | I can't get it to eject any more either :/ |
| 08:04.58 | eps | http://pastebin.com/d42454671 lsmod |
| 08:05.08 | enouf | eps: alter your symlinks in /dev/disk/* back to hda, and /etc/fstab for now |
| 08:05.14 | eps | okay |
| 08:05.18 | enouf | eps: eject /dev/hda |
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| 08:05.44 | eps | have done all combinations |
| 08:05.46 | enouf | eps: are there no other mobo PATA connectors? |
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| 08:06.43 | eps | ide_cd_mod is loaded (cdrom is dep). else no, the mother board only has one pata controller and the device is on it |
| 08:07.09 | eps | the hard drive is on sata, which is a separate controller |
| 08:07.22 | kommodore | cd mounted? |
| 08:07.46 | eps | nope, fresh boot also (there is a blank cd in there) |
| 08:07.49 | enouf | eps: is the drive in the Master position on the cable (end connector)? and is the Jumper set to master? |
| 08:07.56 | eps | yes |
| 08:08.38 | enouf | eps: udevinfo -q all -n /dev/hda again - note, somewhere you have cdrom0 and cdrom1 entries |
| 08:08.47 | eps | where were those sym links from before? |
| 08:08.51 | enouf | as well as dvdrw0 and dvdrw1 , etc |
| 08:08.56 | eps | (or where are the by-* folders) |
| 08:09.01 | enouf | eps: /dev/disk/* |
| 08:09.06 | eps | thx |
| 08:09.51 | eps | oh that is interesting, these symlinks have been changed back to ../../hda without me doing anything |
| 08:10.08 | enouf | ~$ egrep -r 'cdrom|dvd' /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 08:10.37 | enouf | eps: thought so, they're recreated upon reboot (all in /dev/ are) |
| 08:10.55 | enouf | (according to udev) |
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| 08:11.41 | eps | this looks messy |
| 08:11.49 | eps | http://pastebin.com/d12626a84 |
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| 08:12.19 | enouf | ~$ egrep -r 'cdrom|cdrw|dvd' /etc/udev/rules.d/ i should've said, but ok |
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| 08:12.43 | eps | any way to force it to regenerate all of this and just have one optical drive at cdrom0? |
| 08:13.11 | enouf | wow - what a mess ;-) |
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| 08:13.21 | eps | indeed |
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| 08:15.45 | eps | updated with dvd http://pastebin.com/d55e04b36 |
| 08:16.32 | enouf | omg .. you got a U3 thingy |
| 08:16.41 | enouf | !u3 |
| 08:16.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, u3 is a company producing a proprietary method of auto-launching applications from specially formatted USB flash drive. "U3 smart drives" differ from traditional USB flash drives because they come preinstalled with the U3 Launchpad, which looks similar to the Windows OS start menu and controls program installation. The method only works with recent Microsoft Windows systems.. These devices also appear as cdrom drives, ... |
| 08:17.18 | eps | oh, believe me, I don't own it. unfortunately it is _required_ by my university |
| 08:17.47 | enouf | i would remove all USB crap U3 crap things, then delete all the entries in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules then run /lib/udev/write_cd_rules or udevtrigger --verbose, or /sbin/MAKEDEV |
| 08:17.57 | pingouin | when i use tar to create archive, i want to make it through bz2, i do tar cvvjf myarchives.tar.bz2 directorytotar/ |
| 08:17.58 | eps | if you want lecture notes, or course resources, u3 what you get it on. my protest, and that of the local lug, was ignored :( |
| 08:18.05 | enouf | s/remove/unplug |
| 08:18.20 | pingouin | but how control the level of compression of bzip2 , as i do with it like -9 for instance |
| 08:18.48 | enouf | instead of z25, it's now moved to z70 |
| 08:18.54 | enouf | just like the NIC stuff |
| 08:19.09 | enouf | that's why you thought you had none |
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| 08:20.29 | kommodore | pingouin: create the tar first, then use bzip2 to compress that tar? |
| 08:20.44 | pingouin | kommodore: also a solution sure |
| 08:20.50 | cast | eps: i hope you havent stopped protesting |
| 08:21.08 | pingouin | kommodore: i was just wondering if there was a way to pass this compression directly |
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| 08:21.16 | pingouin | kommodore: but thanks for care |
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| 08:21.55 | eps | cast, well beyond the annoying partition structure and some annoying hoops you have to jump through to get them to work the effect they have on linux seems to be rather mild compared to windows - so they still suffer for their choice |
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| 08:22.04 | enouf | wow, that's some conflicting shit there eps :-) |
| 08:22.29 | eps | what provides udevtrigger? |
| 08:22.38 | enouf | erm, udev |
| 08:22.57 | enouf | udev: /sbin/udevtrigger |
| 08:22.58 | cast | eps: i dont quite understand, how do these come into distributing course material? |
| 08:23.24 | eps | enouf, not for me, I've got udev installed but that doesn't exist |
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| 08:24.07 | eps | okay that is weird |
| 08:24.38 | eps | udevadm, udevd, udevsettle are in /sbin/ but not trigger, apt-file says it is provided by udev, which is installed |
| 08:24.43 | eps | god my computer hates me :( |
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| 08:25.05 | enouf | eps: might have been removed |
| 08:25.15 | enouf | use /sbin/MAKEDEV |
| 08:25.29 | eps | okay done |
| 08:25.37 | enouf | eps: could also udevcontrol reload_rules |
| 08:25.46 | enouf | if you have it :-P |
| 08:26.01 | eps | nope |
| 08:26.12 | eps | okay how do I test if removing u3 had any effect? |
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| 08:26.40 | enouf | i'm starting to hate your school, your gadgets and your computers |
| 08:26.52 | enouf | :-P |
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| 08:27.07 | cast | eps: can you start filing support tickets |
| 08:27.17 | cast | eps: [i presume your uni has IT support] |
| 08:27.34 | eps | cast, probably the same way posters for microsoft office end up _everywhere_ and any one openly pushing openoffice/alternative is threatened with removale from their course? |
| 08:27.46 | enouf | removed both now |
| 08:27.54 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.09 | cast | eps: they...threatened people for that? |
| 08:28.11 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/udev/filelist |
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| 08:28.33 | enouf | eps: /etc/init.d/udev stop . then start |
| 08:28.38 | eps | cast, haha, they've done more than threaten. welcome to money, and it being in the person it charges hand. |
| 08:29.05 | cast | i really thought my uni was shit, no non-windows labs anywhere |
| 08:29.15 | cast | where are you from eps? |
| 08:29.28 | cast | au, me too. |
| 08:29.29 | eps | australia, queensland |
| 08:29.32 | panzerseed | hi, What programs should I use for running a socks 5 server in Debian? |
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| 08:29.42 | cast | what uni? |
| 08:29.43 | Nazcafan | hello |
| 08:29.48 | eps | usq |
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| 08:30.14 | enouf | ssh |
| 08:30.30 | Nazcafan | I would like to know what ther requisites are for a package to be in "non-free", eg: why sun's Java made it to non free whereas adobe reader and flash player did not |
| 08:30.52 | eps | still hitting this issue DEVPATH=/dev/hda /lib/udev/write_cd_rules returns /dev/hda is not a CD reader. |
| 08:31.00 | eps | cast, which uni are you at? if any |
| 08:31.01 | enouf | !dfsg |
| 08:31.01 | dpkg | somebody said dfsg was the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 08:31.04 | cast | eps: so, what, do they give each student at the start of semester a U3 drive with everything they need? |
| 08:31.10 | kommodore | flash is non-free, no? |
| 08:31.11 | panzerseed | enouf: Can ssh working fine with browser? |
| 08:31.17 | cast | kommodore: it is non-free. |
| 08:31.22 | enouf | yep |
| 08:31.36 | kommodore | that is a question to Nazcafan... |
| 08:31.56 | eps | cast, kind of, there was a thing in the business faculty last semester where they wanted to be all 'modern' so any one wanting easy access to resources ended up having to use these u3 pen discs |
| 08:32.01 | kommodore | but yes, Jun's java should be free now since they make it GPL... |
| 08:32.02 | enouf | that was answer to panzerseed |
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| 08:32.26 | panzerseed | enouf: thank you. I will try to working on it. |
| 08:32.26 | enouf | eps: you give up? |
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| 08:32.38 | eps | note that I'm a science student - business is crazy :P |
| 08:32.46 | cast | kommodore: might take a while to filter into debian stable though |
| 08:32.54 | enouf | panzerseed: note ssh-agent |
| 08:33.01 | eps | enouf, almost |
| 08:33.11 | kommodore | cast: yes, but should make it to lenny, no? |
| 08:33.34 | enouf | eps: did you ever clear out blkid.tab like i asked? |
| 08:33.43 | eps | yes |
| 08:33.48 | enouf | what's fstab look like? |
| 08:34.05 | Nazcafan | kommodore: I think flash is in the unofficial debian -multimedia repository |
| 08:34.06 | eps | /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 08:34.11 | enouf | how about dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/hda |
| 08:34.21 | eps | mmm that's totally wrong |
| 08:34.21 | enouf | eps: change that back to /dev/hda |
| 08:34.57 | enouf | and yes, cdrom0 is wrong - your U3 thing really did a number |
| 08:34.57 | eps | dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/hda :-( not an MMC unit! |
| 08:35.13 | enouf | eps: sdparm -a /dev/hda ... |
| 08:35.18 | eps | enouf, you'll be happy to know that it developed bad sectors and is now land fill some where :P |
| 08:35.30 | enouf | .. |
| 08:35.39 | enouf | you infected still? ! |
| 08:35.53 | eps | it hasn't been plugged in to this pc for over a month :/ |
| 08:36.03 | kommodore | Nazcafan: yes, the one in d-m is the only one that works... the one officially from etch doesn't. |
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| 08:36.10 | eps | sdparm -a /dev/hda returns SCSI INQUIRY command failed on /dev/hda |
| 08:36.40 | enouf | eps: i bet your U3 thing had a /dev/sr0 or /dev/scd0 |
| 08:36.49 | enouf | wow |
| 08:36.53 | enouf | ok reboot - |
| 08:37.06 | enouf | too many unknowns |
| 08:37.08 | enouf | we |
| 08:37.19 | enouf | we're not on the same page anymore |
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| 08:37.36 | enouf | wait eps |
| 08:37.54 | enouf | see if /sr0 now works , since we did all that above |
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| 08:38.02 | enouf | try scd0 as well |
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| 08:38.41 | enouf | i mean , after you cleaned out /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules |
| 08:38.58 | enouf | and restarted udev, you haven't looked again? |
| 08:39.49 | enouf | eps: airmail me all your crap - i'll fix it ;-) |
| 08:39.55 | SJrX | How do I figure out what version of debian I'm running on my system? |
| 08:40.15 | enouf | in /etc/debian_version |
| 08:40.19 | simonrvn | !version |
| 08:40.19 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 08:40.28 | SJrX | !sid |
| 08:40.29 | dpkg | methinks sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 08:40.33 | eps | enouf, I'm surprised you know as much as you do on this area |
| 08:40.39 | eps | and thanks for your help |
| 08:40.44 | SJrX | Hmmmmm |
| 08:40.46 | SJrX | diabolical |
| 08:40.50 | enouf | eps: i'm more surprised :-P |
| 08:40.53 | SJrX | My box is broken |
| 08:40.56 | enouf | welcome |
| 08:41.09 | eps | I should really just dump my package installed list and reinstall fresh :P |
| 08:41.17 | enouf | .... |
| 08:41.40 | SJrX | !testing |
| 08:41.41 | dpkg | somebody said testing was a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. Testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages, or ask me about <moving target>. |
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| 08:42.07 | enouf | SJrX: please /msg the bot |
| 08:42.10 | SJrX | sorry |
| 08:42.12 | SJrX | hmmmm |
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| 08:42.21 | simonrvn | literally points. it's a symlink... gets updated every release. |
| 08:42.46 | eps | enouf, restarted udev and checked everything short of a reboot and no dice. I might leave it at that for the moment. |
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| 08:42.50 | SJrX | So basically I'm running testing, I did a dist-upgrade and now libapache-mod-php5 is dependant upon a newer version of php5-common than is currently available |
| 08:42.58 | Larcen_ | wenasss |
| 08:43.03 | Larcen_ | hi to all |
| 08:43.19 | ArthurM | phew... the data is all still there. I installed debian last night and after installing my friends data partition couldn't be read from vista. |
| 08:43.35 | ArthurM | I just mounted it though and its all still there. |
| 08:43.38 | simonrvn | eps: try udevtrigger (ot udevadm trigger) |
| 08:43.42 | simonrvn | or* |
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| 08:43.49 | enouf | eps: sure, no worries, i bet it fixes itself while you sleep tonight ;-) |
| 08:43.50 | ArthurM | I guess figuring out why vista can't read it is more of a #windows problem |
| 08:44.17 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:44.27 | helena | hello... how do I find out what dependencies a certain package resolves, on the command line? I want to know what would be affected if I removed a package. |
| 08:44.46 | simonrvn | man apt-cache |
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| 08:45.42 | wols | helena: apt-get remove foo. it will tell you want it removes before it starts to do so |
| 08:45.56 | eps | udevadm trigger --verbose doesn't return scd0 or sr0 |
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| 08:46.10 | eps | apt-file |
| 08:46.20 | eps | oh sorry, ignore me |
| 08:46.44 | helena | thanks simonrvn |
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| 08:47.41 | eps | enouf, though you might be able to help with another issue I have. every x amount of time (between 2 and 15 times per 15 mins) cpu usage spikes to 100%, ram usage jumps a gig, and in general the computer grinds to a halt. how would I go around narrowing down what is causing it. |
| 08:47.44 | simonrvn | eps: give a min. if not, eh, do what enouf said. |
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| 08:48.04 | eps | top shows nothing, ps auxf leads me to believe it is apt-cache policy but I fixed the issue with that and the other problem still exists |
| 08:48.13 | eps | what else can i use to monitor what does what |
| 08:48.24 | Chro42 | Can I put all the ISOs on a single DVD for install |
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| 08:49.17 | eps | simonrvn, indeed |
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| 08:49.28 | eps | ~u3 |
| 08:49.31 | eps | !u3 |
| 08:49.31 | dpkg | it has been said that u3 is a company producing a proprietary method of auto-launching applications from specially formatted USB flash drive. "U3 smart drives" differ from traditional USB flash drives because they come preinstalled with the U3 Launchpad, which looks similar to the Windows OS start menu and controls program installation. The method only works with recent Microsoft Windows systems.. These devices also appear as cdrom drives, and use a ... |
| 08:49.48 | D|ablo | hola |
| 08:49.50 | D|ablo | hi |
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| 08:50.19 | billy | hello folks, how else do you stop a module from being loaded? I've tried adding it to the blacklist file e.g blacklist ac97_bus in the /etc/mdoprobe.d directory etc, but still loads! thanks |
| 08:50.33 | Chro42 | does anyone know if I can put all the iso on a single DVD and install from that |
| 08:52.27 | cast | Chro42: you know there are dvds right |
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| 08:52.28 | Chro42 | yea i have a burner and a dvdrom in my server |
| 08:52.32 | cast | great. |
| 08:52.44 | Chro42 | if there is a dvd iso i would rather down that tonight |
| 08:52.55 | cast | there is. |
| 08:53.16 | Chro42 | where is it the files im getting now are 13 iso |
| 08:53.19 | eps | don't talk to me about dvd drives *brain bleeds on to the floor* |
| 08:53.19 | enouf | eps: last thing about the cd/dvd drive debacle, is scsi_mod and sr_mod loaded? use lsmod |
| 08:53.33 | Chro42 | and not sure how to make one iso for a dvd out of that |
| 08:53.35 | enouf | hah |
| 08:53.48 | cast | Chro42: you dont. go find the dvd isos. |
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| 08:54.07 | Chro42 | is there a link to them i can se |
| 08:54.10 | cast | Chro42: HOWEVER i do not believe you need or really want more than the first debian cd. |
| 08:54.19 | cast | Chro42: there is, but im not googling for you |
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| 08:54.45 | Chro42 | nm found it in the parent directory |
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| 08:55.04 | eps | scsi_mod 139020 2 sd_mod,libata sr_mod isn't. also note some thing we tried killed wodims successful scanbus and it nolonger detects the drive correctly |
| 08:55.10 | Chro42 | i am trying to setup a hp9000 server |
| 08:55.12 | eps | guessing that will return on a reboot |
| 08:55.21 | enouf | eps: modprovbe it |
| 08:55.26 | wols | Chro42: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/hppa/iso-dvd/ |
| 08:56.15 | enouf | eps: i know for a (almost 100%) fact scd0/sr0 needs sr_mod |
| 08:56.30 | Chro42 | thank you wols now maybe i can get away from MSwindoz |
| 08:56.38 | NeoIce | how can I fix my delete key to work with screen in xterm? |
| 08:56.39 | wols | enouf: do you "troubleshoot" a U3 flash stick? |
| 08:57.08 | jintxo | Chro42, you had windows on an HP9000 ? that doens't sound right :-) |
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| 08:57.15 | enouf | eps: i'm thinking your u3 thing, since it's not only a USB drive, it appears as a cdrom drive to the system really whacked it out |
| 08:57.36 | enouf | wols: it's in the lake now, afaik |
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| 08:58.08 | Chro42 | no i have windows on all my systems |
| 08:58.23 | Chro42 | this is to be the core of my network |
| 08:58.30 | eps | why is there no way to get udev to dump all current assumptions and regenerate information from available devices :/ |
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| 08:58.38 | eps | some thing like that must exist for hot swap systems |
| 08:58.55 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:59.32 | cast | what would be good would be if you could arrange to have the datas dumped on http/ftp |
| 08:59.42 | Chro42 | who to contact when the dvd iso 1 and 2 report a broken link? |
| 08:59.45 | enouf | eps: and do me this flavor; egrep 'BLK_DEV_SR_VENDOR|CHR_DEV_SG|BLK_DEV_SR' /boot/onfig-`uname -r` |
| 08:59.51 | eps | wols, it wasn't mine, I haven't used it for months, I had no control over the device |
| 09:00.25 | eps | http://pastebin.com/d515d3a7a |
| 09:00.46 | enouf | eps: did you modprobe sr_mod yet? |
| 09:00.51 | eps | yes |
| 09:00.53 | simonrvn | !rfc3492 |
| 09:01.01 | simonrvn | !rfc 3492 |
| 09:01.17 | simonrvn | oh yeh, they're input as factoids... |
| 09:01.32 | eps | I should probably reboot so that this is all fresh again |
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| 09:02.45 | eps | restarting |
| 09:02.54 | p1ngp0ng | how would i go about mounting a USB ntfs hdd? |
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| 09:03.42 | Chro42 | is there a PA RISC IRC channel? |
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| 09:04.15 | liable | !risc |
| 09:04.16 | dpkg | somebody said risc was (Reduced Instruction Set Computing) RISC chips use a simpler instruction set than CISC chips to get their work done. This results in more instructions that need to be processed by the processor, but they are easier to process, so the chips can process more instructions per clock cycle than a CISC chip. Chip philosophers argue the benefits of RISC vs. CISC, but there is no clear cut winner. See also <CISC> for additional info. |
| 09:04.33 | liable | not that the bot knows about :) |
| 09:05.02 | maligor | pa risc is the hp variety |
| 09:05.11 | enouf | HPPA |
| 09:05.15 | Chro42 | yea |
| 09:05.35 | Chro42 | curious if there was a channel dealing with it |
| 09:06.12 | enouf | - #gentoo-hppa 14 :All t |
| 09:06.14 | enouf | heh |
| 09:06.50 | Chro42 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/hppa/iso-dvd/debian-40r4a-hppa-DVD-1.iso http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/hppa/iso-dvd/debian-40r4a-hppa-DVD-2.iso show are broken is someone here that can fix them? |
| 09:06.54 | p1ngp0ng | whats that app that lets your R+W NTFS discs? |
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| 09:08.34 | maligor | p1ngp0ng, ntfs-3g? |
| 09:08.35 | enouf | there's a #parisc channel on OFTC.net |
| 09:08.41 | enouf | eps ok, reboot <-nm that now ;-) => then review, pastebin /var/log/dmesg, /etc/udev/rules.d/75-cd-aliases-generator.rules, lsmod, udevinfo -q all -n /dev/hda, /etc/fstab, ls -l /dev/disk/* , cdrdao scanbus |
| 09:08.42 | Chro42 | guess the bot cant do that either |
| 09:09.01 | enouf | oh |
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| 09:09.36 | p1ngp0ng | maligor: thanks |
| 09:10.12 | p1ngp0ng | it's not in the repository tho it seems :\ |
| 09:10.28 | enouf | Chro42: well, there must be a mailing list at the least |
| 09:10.48 | p1ngp0ng | i just removed windows but i'd like to mount my usb hdd to that i can copy my music to my /home folder |
| 09:10.50 | enouf | http://lists.debian.org/debian-hppa/ |
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| 09:11.07 | Chro42 | im looking at other mirrors so far not a one has the same ports |
| 09:11.08 | maligor | p1ngp0ng, etch? |
| 09:11.14 | p1ngp0ng | maligor: yes |
| 09:11.17 | Feuerbach | is it safe to discard root privileges for command using su <user> -c <command> ? |
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| 09:11.50 | maligor | p1ngp0ng, it's in etch-backports |
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| 09:12.13 | enouf | Chro42: how are those you posted broken? |
| 09:12.15 | p1ngp0ng | maligor: ah ok, could you plese give me the backports url? |
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| 09:14.19 | p1ngp0ng | nm i got it |
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| 09:15.06 | Chro42 | when i click on the link they do not connect to the iso files |
| 09:15.43 | jintxo | Chro42, the files are there, I just opened http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/hppa/iso-dvd/ and the iso's are there and are downloadable |
| 09:16.20 | Chro42 | all 4 |
| 09:16.23 | Chro42 | ? |
| 09:16.42 | Chro42 | i am able to get 3 and the updates 1 and 2 no |
| 09:16.45 | eps | http://pastebin.com/d2f2c8a4a enouf |
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| 09:16.46 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: works here |
| 09:16.56 | enouf | rap |
| 09:17.06 | enouf | Chro42: works here |
| 09:17.30 | Chro42 | hmmmmmmmmmphh |
| 09:17.33 | Chro42 | weird |
| 09:17.53 | CharminTheMoose | enouf, of course I work here! >.> Sorry i came in at the wrong moment! |
| 09:18.38 | enouf | eps: man i wish you would use another pastebin site |
| 09:18.53 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: get back to work m00sh! |
| 09:18.55 | enouf | ;-) |
| 09:19.06 | cast | if there exists an untrusted NFS server, that i'm mounting in say /mnt/nfs, is that exposing me to much security risk beyond the obvious don't trust anything in /mnt/nfs? |
| 09:19.08 | eps | enouf, indeed, I just realised they really don't have plain text. whats another good one and I'll replace my bookmark |
| 09:19.08 | Chro42 | i started clicking from the first to the last until one started that is strange thought it might be bandwidth but why can i gt the ones after iso #2 |
| 09:19.34 | enouf | eps: and /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules. |
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| 09:19.50 | enouf | the stupid file doesn't appear in the File list on p.d.o |
| 09:20.00 | enouf | it's generated afterwards |
| 09:20.13 | enouf | eps: pastebin.ca works |
| 09:20.14 | eps | http://pastebin.com/d30562ce9 |
| 09:20.19 | maligor | it's not stupid |
| 09:20.21 | enouf | !paste |
| 09:20.21 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 09:20.44 | maligor | it keeps things in order, and you confused when you don't know about it ;) |
| 09:21.01 | jintxo | cast, you might want to mount it "noexec" just in case (assuming you don't want to run stuff that's in there) |
| 09:21.07 | cast | hmm, no DSAs in 07 or 08 related to nfs it seems |
| 09:21.18 | cast | jintxo: ahh. good point. |
| 09:22.13 | cast | i'm mostly worried about how good the NFS client side code is i guess, and how much the client assumes the server isn't malicious |
| 09:22.14 | cga | hi all, is there anyone willing to help me understand apt-pinning and where i'm wrong? read the wiki and few guides already but i can't get packages from -t experimental to upograde with dist-upgrade. please thanks |
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| 09:24.44 | Braden` | Hello |
| 09:24.52 | Braden` | I have debian etch running lilo as a bootloader |
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| 09:24.57 | enouf | eps: so, where'd this other usb CDRW come from?? |
| 09:25.09 | Braden` | Whenever I start and do: linux single, it still tries to load 'clamav-milter' which causes it to hang |
| 09:25.17 | Braden` | Is there any way to prevent it from loading those scripts? |
| 09:25.19 | eps | in 70-? |
| 09:25.25 | eps | good question :/ |
| 09:25.44 | enouf | eps: yeah - had you completely wiped the contents prior? |
| 09:25.47 | p1ngp0ng | why cant i see ntfs-3g after adding backports to my source.list? yes i did apt-get update first |
| 09:26.22 | eps | no I hadn't, I wasn't sure where they were from so I left them. will remove them now |
| 09:26.52 | jintxo | cast, the way I understand it, the security problems with NFS usually stemmed from the server assuming that the clients weren't malicious, which wasn't always true, but that has gotten much better now. As far as the client, it's just a filesystem, you open and close files from it, you need to "trust" it because there's not much you can do about the information the server sends you (and afaik there is no "security" other than the us |
| 09:26.52 | jintxo | ual). you can always have a few layers of security like ipsec and whatnot but in the end the files you open are whatever the server sends you. |
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| 09:28.13 | eps | enouf, I'm going to have to go pass out, really tired. sorry. |
| 09:28.20 | p1ngp0ng | oh fuck me, im supose to have a -f when using backports arent i? |
| 09:28.20 | enouf | eps: one sec |
| 09:28.30 | p1ngp0ng | i forgot that heh |
| 09:28.32 | enouf | eps: ok, here;s my assessment |
| 09:28.40 | cast | jintxo: did you mean to say you need to trust it? |
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| 09:28.53 | eps | okay |
| 09:29.32 | Braden` | Is there a way to load debian in such a way that it doesn't load clamav-milter? 'linux single' doesn't seem to be doing that |
| 09:29.42 | enouf | eps: your IDE Controller (it821x modules and it's friends) really don't like, nor know about libata, ata_piix, etc |
| 09:29.55 | enouf | eps: 02:02.0 Mass storage controller [0180]: Integrated Technology Express, Inc. ITE 8211F Single Channel UDMA 133 [1283:8211] (rev 11) |
| 09:29.58 | enouf | that one |
| 09:30.51 | jintxo | cast, it depends on what you mean by trust. you can have all sorts of security measures but in the end if you want to open files from a server you don't control, that implies a certain level of trust. there are many layrs of security you can use (firewalls, ipsec, not running stuff from there only opening files) but using a file server implies *some* trust |
| 09:31.03 | eps | would it be safe to assume that this is a regression or caused by all the fun of switching from cdrecord to wodim or the udev changes ages ago? |
| 09:31.15 | eps | considering that about a year ago it did work without issue but now has issues? |
| 09:31.22 | enouf | eps: |
| 09:31.24 | enouf | wait |
| 09:31.26 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.25/drivers/ata/pata_it821x.c |
| 09:31.29 | cast | jintxo: you don't have to trust the server at all, the file could be for example signed |
| 09:31.39 | enouf | eps: is that module loaded? |
| 09:31.39 | jintxo | cast, in nfs? |
| 09:32.07 | cast | jintxo: indeed. |
| 09:32.13 | eps | no, it821x is though |
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| 09:33.08 | enouf | i know |
| 09:33.15 | enouf | it's permanent too |
| 09:33.27 | xmb_ | can someone paste me 'dlocste Find.pm' ? |
| 09:33.50 | enouf | but your dmesg is lacking, missing the top half - but eps , i've had enough myself ;-) night ;-) |
| 09:34.05 | xmb_ | laters yo |
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| 09:34.24 | eps | indeed, thank you so much for your help. it has been interesting learning how to deal with udev in the very least |
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| 09:34.41 | eps | that you for your help also cast |
| 09:34.46 | enouf | no prob |
| 09:35.03 | enouf | grep PATA_IT821X /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 09:35.05 | enouf | ? |
| 09:35.18 | jintxo | cast, I'm not sure but I wuold say that's a leyer *on top* of nfs (checking signatures, hashes or whatnot); haven't used nfs for a loooong time so I guess stuff like that may be available now, I don't know :-) |
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| 09:35.52 | eps | # CONFIG_PATA_IT821X is not set |
| 09:36.03 | eps | hahaha |
| 09:36.19 | eps | guessing that means it isn't available as a module or inbuilt |
| 09:36.19 | enouf | O_o |
| 09:36.42 | enouf | eps: erm. know how to compile a kernel? |
| 09:36.49 | eps | yeah I do |
| 09:36.52 | enouf | eps: or, might see if it's set in sids |
| 09:36.57 | eps | and, I knew you were going to say that |
| 09:36.58 | enouf | and install that |
| 09:37.03 | enouf | haha |
| 09:38.03 | eps | I'll enable it tomorrow and see how it goes |
| 09:38.11 | enouf | bravo |
| 09:38.35 | xmb_ | anyone with ` dlocate Find.pm ` ? |
| 09:39.10 | eps | excellent work enouf, I think I'll laugh out loud and have a strong drink if that fixes it :p |
| 09:39.52 | enouf | well sure - let's hope that's the issue |
| 09:40.03 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 09:40.03 | dpkg | it has been said that \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 09:40.21 | enouf | 3 armed man there |
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| 09:42.08 | eps | \0/ -0- /0\ /0- -0/ \0\ /0/ \0/ |
| 09:45.49 | dimir | my script is better anyway http://pastebin.com/m7e7cc3bc |
| 09:45.51 | dimir | :-P |
| 09:46.27 | p1ngp0ng | i got a laptop hdd cased in a usb - esata casing formatet with ntfs. when i mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /mnt/Backup it failes saying wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /deb/sdb1. any ideas? |
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| 09:49.28 | p1ngp0ng | nm, for some reason it was sdb5 not 1 heh |
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| 10:03.34 | vadim | !audio players |
| 10:03.42 | vadim | !audio |
| 10:03.43 | dpkg | well, sound is ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts> and <devdsp>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard |
| 10:03.58 | vadim | !players |
| 10:03.58 | dpkg | players are evil |
| 10:04.01 | vadim | !player |
| 10:04.15 | vadim | !audio |
| 10:04.15 | dpkg | sound is, like, ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts> and <devdsp>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard |
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| 10:05.03 | tramjoe_merin | waves |
| 10:05.42 | tramjoe_merin | Hi, quick question: why do I get, for some packages with version foobar, a local cache where the version is x:foobar, x being a number like 1,2,3 ... ? |
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| 10:07.59 | tramjoe_merin | I really need help about this, it does break some tools I want to use :-( |
| 10:12.09 | tramjoe_merin | In fact, let me rephrase: dpkg -l shows version 7.0-122+1etch3 for vim-common, the package file is vim-common_7.0-122+1etch3_amd64.deb, but the version inside the package is 1:7.0-122+1etch3 ... I need to understand the differences |
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| 10:19.00 | p1ngp0ng | !ftpclient |
| 10:19.21 | p1ngp0ng | whats a good ftpclient with a gui |
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| 10:19.32 | petemc | gftp works |
| 10:19.36 | p1ngp0ng | thanks |
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| 10:20.06 | miksuh | pingouin: gftp and filezilla |
| 10:20.08 | eps | tramjoe_merin, you're not making much sense, are you asking why _amd64 appears on some packages? |
| 10:21.15 | tramjoe_merin | eps: sorry to be rude, but after re-reading my question it seems to make sense if you can read. I am asking about the epoch of packages versions sometimes being displayed, sometimes not |
| 10:21.27 | enouf | tramjoe_merin: 1 is the epoch |
| 10:21.36 | enouf | !epoch |
| 10:21.36 | dpkg | i heard epoch is the end of an era. For example y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. The unix epoch on 32 bit hardware isn't until Jan 18 2038, by which time we will probably have all migrated to 64 bit architectures. It's also a version number orderer used by the debian packaging software. For example: 2:0.0.0 is a higher version than 9.9.9 by itself. |
| 10:21.49 | eps | tramjoe_merin, wait, did you just insult some one attempting to read your mind? |
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| 10:22.12 | tramjoe_merin | eps: ???? |
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| 10:22.52 | enouf | tramjoe_merin: wait, did you just answer your own stupid question, as i was writing the answer? |
| 10:23.00 | tramjoe_merin | So, yes, I am indeed talking about the epoch, as in [epoch:]upstream_version[-debian_revision] . |
| 10:23.08 | tramjoe_merin | OK, I will rephrase again ... |
| 10:23.24 | tramjoe_merin | It seems that the epoch is sometimes used, sometimes not ... |
| 10:23.28 | eps | remember tramjoe_merin, it makes sense in your head because you understand the context, we don't have that luxury |
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| 10:23.31 | tramjoe_merin | When using dpkg -l, the epoch is not displayued |
| 10:23.48 | tramjoe_merin | When using dpkg --info, it is |
| 10:24.05 | p1ngp0ng | can you import bookmarks from firefox3 (windows) to iceweasel? |
| 10:24.25 | eps | p1ngp0ng, yes |
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| 10:24.53 | Internat | my understanding is the only difference between ff and iceweasel is the badging |
| 10:25.00 | eps | p1ngp0ng, firefox should store it's bookmarks in a bookmarks.html file under its settings in windows, import that file under iceweasel |
| 10:25.08 | Internat | since the mozilla logos etc are trademark |
| 10:25.08 | eps | indeed, the name, and the icon. |
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| 10:25.41 | jonhnash | i dont like iceweasel |
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| 10:25.57 | capiira | i odnt like it too :D |
| 10:26.13 | eps | tramjoe_merin, file a bug report. my reading of their usages under the man page implies they should return parity information |
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| 10:26.18 | jonhnash | what is that you dont like? |
| 10:26.18 | p1ngp0ng | eps: i got a backup file of the bookmarks that i've made in windows |
| 10:26.20 | eps | I don't know how you can dislike it |
| 10:26.36 | capiira | dunno why but i like trademarks :D its like i dont like ubuntu :D even if its good but i dont like :D |
| 10:26.39 | jonhnash | of debian |
| 10:27.00 | eps | p1ngp0ng, file -> import should work then, else it goes in ~/.mozilla/somethingorother |
| 10:27.19 | tramjoe_merin | eps: When you say "parity information", do you mean "same version string for all the tools" ? |
| 10:27.37 | capiira | and firefox original auto updates :D |
| 10:28.06 | enouf | See #epoch-maintainers-of-the-millenium .. but really - see #debian-mentors, cause i have no idea, and "/msg dpkg nmg" |
| 10:28.07 | \amethyst | tramjoe_merin: this seems to have been fixed since etch... dpkg -l in 1.14.20 reports epochs, while 1.13.25 does not |
| 10:28.15 | eps | well --info returns 'package information' while -l is designed to return the same information but of any package matching a supplied string. I'd consider it a bug that both outputs don't match. |
| 10:28.34 | enouf | oh, maybe on oftc.net |
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| 10:28.52 | tramjoe_merin | \amethyst: thanks for the info, I will try to backport dpkg then |
| 10:29.15 | Nazz | yello guys, what are my chances of running Xorg without a video adapter? :) |
| 10:29.22 | michael__ | Hi ... I tried to different debian netinst-i386 releases. I can boot the install-cd, but the CD can't be mounted during install. I already tried ide=nodma and two different cd drives. what can I do? |
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| 10:29.50 | Crissi | hello |
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| 10:30.39 | Crissi | i'm uising lenny and since some days i cant open links in kmail or kopete because they freeze then... is seems the kio slave dies (zombi state)... whats going on there? |
| 10:30.43 | enouf | michael__: which installer? etch? and what's your hardware? |
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| 10:31.24 | enouf | Crissi: sounds like par for the course :-P |
| 10:31.28 | Crissi | i also had problems with fish:// in konqueror (which is same) and i could find a temporary fix (export KDE_FORK_SLAVES=true in /etc/environment) |
| 10:31.37 | tramjoe_merin | Just FYI, this is an issue with some tools (bcfg2 being one), because when trying to match the installed packages/versions installed agains a packages policy list, it works fine is I include only epoch-less version in my policy, but when trying to actually install missing or reinstall "broken" packages, it yells because of the epoch. So I assume such tools rely on dpkg for comparing policy against actual installed versions lis |
| 10:31.37 | tramjoe_merin | trying to install/reinstall packages with version=the-one-in-policy, which fails because of epoch missing. If epoch is included in policy, then it is the other way around ... |
| 10:31.49 | enouf | Crissi: see #debian-kde maybe and check the BTS |
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| 10:32.03 | Crissi | thx |
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| 10:32.40 | enouf | but ps auxf, and top/htop such output might help you track it down Crissi |
| 10:32.58 | michael__ | enouf: It's an Athlon XP with 512M Ram. I tried Debian 4.0 netinst |
| 10:33.08 | Crissi | yes, i had look |
| 10:33.35 | Crissi | 6870 ? Zs 0:00 [kioslave] <defunct> |
| 10:33.42 | enouf | eeeeewwww |
| 10:34.00 | Crissi | the program which calls it (kmail, kopetc, etc) waits for exit or data |
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| 10:34.13 | enouf | michael__: hrm .. and recent download? |
| 10:34.23 | enouf | michael__: 4.0r4 ? |
| 10:34.24 | Crissi | Program received signal SIGINT, Interrupt. |
| 10:34.24 | Crissi | [Switching to Thread 0xb56b86c0 (LWP 16444)] |
| 10:34.24 | Crissi | 0xb7fa9424 in __kernel_vsyscall () |
| 10:34.24 | Crissi | (gdb) bt |
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| 10:34.45 | pingouin | another kick ;) |
| 10:34.53 | Crissi | so you can see its waiting in libdcop.so |
| 10:34.54 | pingouin | famous 80's song |
| 10:34.58 | Crissi | kick debhelper |
| 10:35.09 | enouf | michael__: hrm, your controller appears to be an issue. any Windows installed ? PCI Controller Cards? RAID? |
| 10:35.20 | michael__ | enouf: yes, 4.0r4 ... but I also tried an older CD of 4.0 (didn't work either) |
| 10:35.37 | michael__ | enouf: I'm gonna look |
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| 10:36.52 | michael__ | enouf: It's some via mainboard, no raid and onboard ide controllers |
| 10:37.03 | enouf | huh |
| 10:37.23 | enouf | michael__: you have the i386 versions yes? |
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| 10:37.55 | enouf | you said so - my bad |
| 10:37.56 | Crissi | enouf: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=473784 |
| 10:38.02 | Crissi | its seems like that |
| 10:38.11 | enouf | michael__: try this; |
| 10:38.25 | michael__ | enouf: yes, the iso's name contains i386 |
| 10:38.41 | enouf | michael__: install generic.all_generic_ide=1 |
| 10:38.55 | p1ngp0ng | eps: it's not working. my file is bookmarks.json. i tried renaming it to html to, but its just not working |
| 10:39.12 | michael__ | enouf: I'll try |
| 10:39.22 | enouf | Crissi: found it ;-) |
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| 10:39.35 | Crissi | but someone has made it broken |
| 10:39.36 | enouf | good work .. |
| 10:39.41 | enouf | ewwww |
| 10:39.41 | Crissi | it has worked a long while |
| 10:39.46 | Crissi | with 3.5.9 |
| 10:39.52 | eps | p1ngp0ng, mmm well first rename it back to what it was |
| 10:39.54 | enouf | aye |
| 10:40.06 | Crissi | i guest there is an bad patch in kdebase |
| 10:40.15 | Crissi | guess |
| 10:40.28 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: error messages |
| 10:40.40 | enouf | not " but its just not working" |
| 10:40.44 | Crissi | this bug must be fixed before release |
| 10:41.01 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: you use mv to rename single files |
| 10:41.04 | eps | p1ngp0ng, okay try placing a copy of it in ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.defaults/ with it called bookmarks.html |
| 10:41.13 | eps | note that * will be random letters and numbers |
| 10:41.24 | p1ngp0ng | it sais, no program containing bookmakrs, history or passwords found |
| 10:42.03 | enouf | oh... i used to love seeing that one .. lmao |
| 10:42.12 | enouf | on win98 with mozilla, haha |
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| 10:42.41 | p1ngp0ng | not working |
| 10:42.45 | \amethyst | p1ngp0ng: Bookmarks->Organize Bookmarks Import and Backup->Import HTML From an HTML File |
| 10:42.54 | enouf | !doesn't work |
| 10:42.54 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 10:43.00 | \amethyst | p1ngp0ng: then pick the old bookmarks.html |
| 10:43.46 | enouf | Crissi: |
| 10:43.51 | eps | \amethyst, ah so that is how you do it, I've always assumed there was a non-cli-sane method |
| 10:43.52 | michael__ | enouf: that doesn't work either. |
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| 10:44.21 | enouf | Crissi: seems you should post to that bug, the maintainer or whomever was looking for a followup and the guy never replied |
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| 10:45.08 | enouf | michael__: hrm, do other OSes or CDs work? |
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| 10:45.36 | lord-carlos | I got some trouble with Vuze/azureus, It says it needs the graphics library Cairo. So i installed libcairo-java. But i still get the error and Vuze looks messed up |
| 10:45.45 | michael__ | enouf: Windows XP and mirOS (BSD) are running on this machine |
| 10:45.46 | lord-carlos | here is a screensshot http://home.arcor.de/carlozzz/blub.png |
| 10:45.53 | _moro_bana_ | its written"The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system." on the download site, does this refer to disk1 ? |
| 10:45.54 | enouf | michael__: i mean i realize the CDs boot fine , but at prompt: no bueno |
| 10:46.28 | enouf | michael__: oh ... i was going tp suggest check your IDE cables, jumpers and BIOS |
| 10:46.42 | Simon_S | good mornin ; ) |
| 10:46.54 | enouf | michael__: where/how does it fail |
| 10:47.52 | eps | lord-carlos, do you have these packages installed, openjdk-6-jre, libcommons-cli-java, liblog4j1.2-java, libswt-gtk-3.4-java |
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| 10:48.07 | eps | the openjdk one probably isn't important |
| 10:48.27 | lord-carlos | eps: i will test it, thanks |
| 10:48.54 | michael__ | enouf: I'm in the setup menu and after choosing language and keyboard layout it's trying to mount the CD ... but a message like "could not mount CD" appears |
| 10:49.12 | enouf | ok |
| 10:49.24 | lord-carlos | eps: jap, i got every one of them, still getting the error |
| 10:49.56 | Simon_S | michael__: looks like the debian installer doesn't recognise your cd-rom drive, maybe because of a missing kernel module ... |
| 10:50.06 | eps | lord-carlos, run azureus from the command line, and paste the output to a pastebin, it may shed light on what you are missing |
| 10:50.11 | enouf | michael__: do you know your exact CD Controller? can you post specs of your Motherboard, or google for them for us? |
| 10:50.18 | lord-carlos | ok |
| 10:50.39 | p1ngp0ng | \amethyst: its just not working, after i have selected the bookmark backup file and hit ok, it does nothing. i've tried to rename it from json to html to. |
| 10:50.51 | michael__ | enouf: is there a way of retrieving this info without opening the machine? lspci or something? |
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| 10:50.56 | eps | lord-carlos, are you using unstable? |
| 10:51.07 | enouf | michael__: sure , lspci -nn |
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| 10:51.34 | lord-carlos | eps, yes |
| 10:51.36 | eps | lord-carlos, this is probably for you http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=492582 |
| 10:53.09 | lord-carlos | ahh, thanks eps. it works |
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| 10:53.36 | lord-carlos | hugs eps |
| 10:53.50 | eps | I'm going to go back to passing out |
| 10:53.50 | xingu | wonders what's up with sixxs |
| 10:53.53 | p1ngp0ng | does iceweasel even support .json format? |
| 10:54.08 | eps | p1ngp0ng, probably not, what is .json format? |
| 10:54.08 | enouf | passes out on top of eps |
| 10:54.18 | eps | hey hey hey! nothing sus! |
| 10:54.23 | enouf | xingu: Nikki? |
| 10:54.23 | p1ngp0ng | eps: it's the format my bookmark backup got saved as in windows |
| 10:54.26 | cast | i'm getting 'request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464c', so my idea is just to rm whatever the hell that module is. but i can't find it. any suggestions? |
| 10:54.29 | xingu | stacks on |
| 10:54.33 | eps | p1ngp0ng, by firefox? |
| 10:54.34 | michael__ | enouf: ide controller is: IDE interface [0101]: VIA Technologies VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE |
| 10:54.37 | p1ngp0ng | eps: yes |
| 10:54.44 | cast | or is it stuck in a loop because the module doesn't exist |
| 10:55.00 | enouf | O_o |
| 10:55.08 | eps | javascript object notation |
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| 10:55.15 | eps | that's a new one on me |
| 10:55.30 | enouf | ins't that the via82cxxx module? |
| 10:55.37 | p1ngp0ng | so maybe a "doesnt work" wasnt such a vague statement after all eh? ;) |
| 10:55.49 | enouf | michael__: lspci -nn no work? |
| 10:55.50 | michael__ | no idea ... |
| 10:56.10 | michael__ | enouf: that was a line of lspci -nn |
| 10:56.11 | p1ngp0ng | does a little dance arround the living room |
| 10:56.24 | enouf | michael__: the numbers on the front, middle and rear are important |
| 10:56.48 | enouf | michael__: match that up to lspci -n output then - that ain't debian's lspci |
| 10:57.04 | eps | p1ngp0ng, how did trying to import it via the manage bookmarks area go? |
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| 10:57.35 | cast | hmm, that string doesn't come up anywhere |
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| 10:58.21 | enouf | 02:02.0 ....controller [0180] .... UDMA 133 [1283:8211] (rev 11) <-- michael__ for example - that came from -> 02:02.0 Mass storage controller [0180]: Integrated Technology Express, Inc. ITE 8211F Single Channel UDMA 133 [1283:8211] (rev 11) |
| 10:58.23 | eps | p1ngp0ng, I'm going to be terrible and recommend asking for assistance in #firefox (or what ever their channel is) as this isn't debian specific, and they'll have a much higher chance of knowing the solution |
| 10:58.44 | michael__ | enouf: 00:0f.0 0101: 1106:0571 (rev 06) |
| 10:58.53 | enouf | michael__: ok , one sec |
| 10:58.54 | p1ngp0ng | eps thanks, im gonna ask in firefox ' |
| 10:58.55 | michael__ | enouf: thats the same line in lspci -n |
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| 10:59.38 | enouf | michael__: bingo via82cxxx |
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| 11:01.02 | michael__ | enouf: lsmod shows via82cxxx being loaded |
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| 11:01.35 | michael__ | enouf: on VT2 of the install CD |
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| 11:04.09 | gigo | ~/Desktop/install_flash_player_9_linux$ nspluginwrapper -v -i ./libflashplayer.so |
| 11:04.09 | gigo | *** NSPlugin Viewer *** preloader not found |
| 11:04.09 | gigo | nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for ./libflashplayer.so |
| 11:04.14 | gigo | why am I getting this error? |
| 11:04.44 | enouf | michael__: so, have you checked the integrity of the CD media itself? |
| 11:04.49 | gigo | I have already done: ln -s /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/noarch/npviewer /usr/bin/npviewer |
| 11:04.57 | defrysk | gigo, get flashplayer-mozilla |
| 11:05.09 | defrysk | gigo, its in the multimedia repo |
| 11:05.13 | enouf | michael__: is that the only mobo IDE Controller? |
| 11:05.13 | gigo | defrysk: is it the adobe flashplayer? |
| 11:05.18 | defrysk | yes |
| 11:05.49 | michael__ | enouf: I couldn't do that from the installer ... same error (and I don't know how to check this on windows) |
| 11:06.07 | defrysk | gigo, it automagically sets it ip with nspluginwrapper |
| 11:06.24 | enouf | michael__: the installer has a "check integrity" boot option |
| 11:06.24 | defrysk | up* |
| 11:06.35 | enouf | michael__: press F1-F10 |
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| 11:06.57 | michael__ | enouf: I'll try that |
| 11:07.39 | enouf | michael__: also; BOOT_DEBUG=2 |
| 11:07.49 | enouf | michael__: also see VT4 for messages |
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| 11:12.23 | michael__ | enouf: I can't find the check integrity option on the bootloader ... there's an option like that in the gui-installer (but doesn't work for me) |
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| 11:24.25 | enouf | michael__: i've seen it and used it .. atleast verify the ISO you d/l md5checksum |
| 11:27.29 | enouf | michael__: "o If there are any problems during the installation, try checking the integrity of the CD-ROM using the option near the bottom of the installer's main menu. This option can also be used as a general test if the CD-ROM can be read reliably." |
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| 11:27.52 | enouf | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html |
| 11:27.58 | michael__ | enouf: I solved it. The cd burning program was set to "session at once". I burned another one with "disc at once" and it's working now |
| 11:28.00 | grml | hey, whats faster, /dev/random or /dev/urandom? |
| 11:28.10 | JPT | urandom |
| 11:28.21 | enouf | random blocks |
| 11:28.29 | enouf | just write zeros you weenie |
| 11:29.19 | enouf | nice name change eh? |
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| 11:30.28 | postgres | I want to be able to run a command after a particular module loads, how can I do that under etch |
| 11:31.25 | enouf | use rc.local |
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| 11:31.45 | liable | thats would only work during boot. |
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| 11:32.13 | enouf | !8ball when do i load my modules? |
| 11:32.13 | dpkg | I'm not sure. |
| 11:32.45 | postgres | while that should be ok, this is a module that would load or unload as a result of a pcmcia card being inserted or removed |
| 11:33.09 | enouf | oh, there's more to it? who would've guessed? |
| 11:33.34 | postgres | it's exactly what I asked for |
| 11:33.44 | enouf | bullshit |
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| 11:33.49 | postgres | I want to run a command after a particular module loads. |
| 11:33.55 | postgres | that's precisely what I said |
| 11:33.58 | enouf | use rc.local |
| 11:34.34 | liable | postgres: i'm not sure theres an easy way do do that |
| 11:34.40 | enouf | meh .. i need sleep .. latez |
| 11:34.45 | postgres | no kiddong |
| 11:34.58 | postgres | never wouild have guessed |
| 11:35.05 | liable | enouf: shouldnt you be waking up now? :) |
| 11:35.12 | enouf | liable: yep ;-) |
| 11:35.28 | p1ngp0ng | what do i unpack wsz files with? |
| 11:35.33 | enouf | liable: but it's .... wait for it ... |
| 11:35.38 | enouf | !Sunday |
| 11:35.38 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 11:37.22 | postgres | liable: is the mechanism of loading modules any different or differently arranged under lenny than it is under etch? |
| 11:37.25 | enouf | liable, psst, udev rules |
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| 11:38.49 | liable | postgres: nope, udev handles both |
| 11:39.08 | liable | enouf: i didnt know udev could do that, i was thinking hal |
| 11:40.59 | mazzanet | what's the cleanest way to hold the linux-image-2.6 version |
| 11:41.05 | mazzanet | ie. i don't want to upgrade. |
| 11:41.07 | enouf | liable, psst, (for ex;) RUN+="/usr/local/bin/backup.sh" |
| 11:41.41 | liable | enouf: pssst, tell postgres :P |
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| 11:42.09 | enouf | liable: psst, no - i'm sleeping :-O |
| 11:42.16 | liable | heh |
| 11:42.18 | postgres | he won't tell me that,,, he wants me to use that rc.local thing that got added on |
| 11:43.03 | liable | postgres: theres your info to chase down. be happy. |
| 11:43.25 | postgres | but I was going to ask, how would that guarantee that the command would run after that module was loaded? |
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| 11:44.48 | p1ngp0ng | guys, i need to extract some files inside a wsz archive, but i cant find a app that does that. |
| 11:45.09 | cast | where the fuck did you get that from |
| 11:45.31 | p1ngp0ng | does that matter really? |
| 11:45.38 | p1ngp0ng | i just want to extract it. |
| 11:45.41 | cahoot | Winamp Skin zip file |
| 11:45.54 | cast | well there you go, unzip |
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| 11:47.08 | p1ngp0ng | thanks |
| 11:47.16 | cahoot | if that's waht it is - why ask here? |
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| 11:47.59 | postgres | so udev lets you have an empty /dev that gets automatically filled with just the existing devices |
| 11:48.24 | eraldo | how can I mount a hdd, knowing the label, but not the device path ? |
| 11:48.57 | cahoot | use /dev/disk/by-label? |
| 11:49.34 | eraldo | cahoot: huh? |
| 11:49.51 | eraldo | cahoot: don't get what you mean exactly |
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| 11:49.56 | cahoot | you said you knew the label |
| 11:50.02 | eraldo | cahoot: yep |
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| 11:50.39 | eraldo | the label is "multimedia" and I want to mount it to "/multimedia" |
| 11:50.40 | cahoot | so does it show up in /dev/disk/by-label in a way you recognise? |
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| 11:51.22 | eraldo | cahoot: no, it's not there |
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| 11:52.11 | Phil4 | ok, I'm peplexed... why is http://pastebin.ca/1189492 producing http://pastebin.ca/1189493? |
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| 11:52.56 | cahoot | eraldo: what kind of device is this? |
| 11:53.06 | cahoot | removable? |
| 11:53.08 | eraldo | cahoot: sata hdd internal |
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| 11:53.46 | eraldo | cahoot: I do know that it is at /dev/sdc1 |
| 11:54.12 | eraldo | cahoot: but I don't want to look that up everytime I plugg it in |
| 11:54.12 | else | anyone knows why my font in iceweasel looks crappy? |
| 11:54.33 | cahoot | eraldo: so you do konw the device apth after all |
| 11:54.45 | eraldo | cahoot: it is a sata tray I use... so I plug it in and out while working |
| 11:55.19 | eraldo | cahoot: yes, but I don't want to have to look it up everytime I plugg it in... the letter changes |
| 11:55.34 | cahoot | use /dev/disk/by-uuid then ? |
| 11:56.04 | Phil4 | else, I used a very good tutorial for dramatically improving debian's fonts |
| 11:56.06 | enouf | see /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
| 11:56.08 | Phil4 | let me find it for you |
| 11:56.28 | else | Phil4: thank you |
| 11:56.35 | eraldo | cahoot: yould I make an entry to fstab or something like that, so that I can mount it using the label name instead ? |
| 11:56.56 | Phil4 | else: http://quanli.googlepages.com/davidturner'slcdcleartype-likepatchesandpackagesfordebiansid |
| 11:57.07 | Phil4 | it's a bit of a pita to do - it takes a couple of hourse |
| 11:57.09 | Phil4 | *hours |
| 11:57.16 | Phil4 | but the improvements are awesome |
| 11:57.44 | cahoot | eraldo: you don't use gnome then? |
| 11:57.55 | else | thank you! what if i don't use gnome? |
| 11:57.58 | eraldo | cahoot: I do |
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| 11:58.49 | cahoot | eraldo: and gnome doesn't automount it using the 'label' ? |
| 11:59.00 | eraldo | cahoot: nop |
| 12:00.50 | Phil4 | can anyone tell me why is http://pastebin.ca/1189492 producing http://pastebin.ca/1189493? |
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| 12:01.03 | cahoot | eraldo: ext3 or what? |
| 12:01.14 | eraldo | cahoot: yes |
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| 12:01.53 | Z4ndX | Hello.. Debian installed Konqueror "out of the box" when i "apt-get remove" it dosent take all the KDE packages with. How do i completely remove all KDE related stuff ? |
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| 12:02.29 | enouf | !remove kde |
| 12:02.29 | dpkg | it has been said that remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 12:02.36 | maligor | else, you might also want to install msttcorefonts which provides some good basic fonts courtesy of microsoft |
| 12:03.01 | cahoot | eraldo: what does e2label <device> return? |
| 12:03.11 | eraldo | cahoot: multimedia |
| 12:03.14 | enouf | Z4ndX: and debian doesn't install anything out of the box, let alone konqueror |
| 12:04.14 | maligor | enouf, not even dpkg? |
| 12:04.50 | p1ngp0ng | how do i update to iceweasel 3? |
| 12:05.29 | p1ngp0ng | upgrade that is* |
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| 12:06.27 | else | maligor: thanks, that sounds good. but anyway i'm wondering why suddenly my fonts look crappy. they've looked great without msttcorefonts! |
| 12:06.37 | akuehntopf | hello..i would like to use debian testing as basis and install gnome from unstable...is that a good idea and how would i do it best? |
| 12:07.18 | Z4ndX | Well if i just "apt-get remove konqueror" there are still menus that do nor belong in gnome.. How do i delete those ? |
| 12:07.23 | defrysk | not a good idea |
| 12:07.27 | cahoot | eraldo: then all this should be configurable in nautilus, by clickin or via gconf-editor |
| 12:07.30 | akuehntopf | defrysk, no? |
| 12:07.48 | defrysk | testing and unstable have the same version |
| 12:07.53 | akuehntopf | huh |
| 12:07.57 | akuehntopf | really? which one |
| 12:08.14 | eraldo | cahoot: okay... thank'S for your help by the way... I'll try on my own |
| 12:08.31 | defrysk | 2.22 |
| 12:08.49 | akuehntopf | must be new the, last time i looked it was 2.20 in testing |
| 12:08.58 | akuehntopf | about two weeks ago |
| 12:10.02 | defrysk | akuehntopf, sorry i ment 2.20 |
| 12:10.45 | Z4ndX | Well if i just "apt-get remove konqueror" there are still menus that do nor belong in gnome.. How do i delete those ?.. |
| 12:11.20 | abrotman | it's half and half |
| 12:11.28 | Z4ndX | ? |
| 12:11.38 | abrotman | not you .. the gnome in lenny |
| 12:11.46 | abrotman | last i looked it was half .20 and half .22 |
| 12:12.13 | postgres | I'm reading the original paper from 2003 describing udev, and so far nothing jumps out... the four design goals were... run in userspace, create a dynamic /dev, provide consistant device naming, provide a userspace api to access info about existing devices... |
| 12:12.22 | defrysk | abrotman, libgnome = 2.20 |
| 12:12.33 | abrotman | defrysk: and many other major parts are .22 |
| 12:12.51 | abrotman | !info gnome-applets lenny |
| 12:13.00 | abrotman | as one example |
| 12:13.05 | postgres | my original question was... |
| 12:13.13 | dpkg | gnome-applets: (Various applets for GNOME 2 panel - binary files), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.22.3-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 319 kB, Installed size: 748 kB |
| 12:13.15 | postgres | I want to be able to run a command after a particular module loads, how can I do that under etch |
| 12:13.34 | abrotman | udev rules ? |
| 12:13.40 | defrysk | woners why not all packages are 2.22 |
| 12:13.46 | defrysk | wonders |
| 12:14.02 | jonhnash | i want install debian in to flash memory stick how can do |
| 12:14.05 | abrotman | defrysk: you could ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org if you care that much |
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| 12:14.24 | abrotman | jonhnash: does the machine have a CD drive? |
| 12:14.26 | defrysk | no i just wonder , i do not care |
| 12:14.41 | postgres | abrotman: where are the udev rules located? |
| 12:14.49 | jonhnash | yes have but if dont have |
| 12:14.50 | abrotman | !udev rules |
| 12:14.51 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html, or or read it online at http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 12:15.04 | akuehntopf | hm |
| 12:15.09 | akuehntopf | is it possible to install 2.22 |
| 12:15.12 | akuehntopf | somewher? |
| 12:15.12 | abrotman | jonhnash: what other drives does the machine have? |
| 12:15.17 | abrotman | akuehntopf: why does it matter? |
| 12:15.33 | akuehntopf | new gio / gvfs stuff |
| 12:15.37 | jonhnash | have only cd rom |
| 12:15.44 | abrotman | jonhnash: cdrom is good enough |
| 12:15.55 | akuehntopf | i think its only inside 2.22 |
| 12:16.07 | abrotman | !info gnome-volume-manager lenny |
| 12:16.09 | dpkg | gnome-volume-manager: (GNOME daemon to auto-mount and manage media devices), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.22.1-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 468 kB, Installed size: 3200 kB |
| 12:16.34 | postgres | would udev rules be appropriate for a module which didn't need or generate a device node? |
| 12:17.10 | akuehntopf | http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.22-status.html |
| 12:17.16 | akuehntopf | according that its up 2 date |
| 12:17.28 | jonhnash | boot with cd and install in to memory stick or install this in another machine |
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| 12:26.03 | postgres | abrotman where do you put udev rules? I have it figured out (thanks abrotman, liable, enouf) |
| 12:26.23 | abrotman | i'd imagine the docs tell you where .. /etc/udev/ somewhere i'd guess |
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| 12:27.53 | postgres | cool, thanks |
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| 12:32.48 | pobega | I have a question...When I use /etc/init.d/network to try to connect to my wireless AP it times out, but if I use wifi-radar it works - What is wifi-radar doing that dhclient (what /etc/init.d/networking is using) isn't? |
| 12:33.14 | valdyn | pobega: man wireless |
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| 12:33.30 | valdyn | pobega: dhclient is only a dhcp client |
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| 12:36.35 | pobega | valdyn: Yes, but what I mean is, let's say I run wifi-radar from the terminal: |
| 12:36.35 | chlue | Hello, after aptitude wanted to update flashplugin-nonfree today, my system seem to missing some glue. I got flash to run with iceweasel again, after creating a symlink from /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so to ~/.mozilla/plugins, but that cannot be the 'right' way. Any hints whats probably gone wrong? |
| 12:37.12 | pobega | valdyn: It has the output of dhclient, but actually CONNECTS instead of timing out. My problem with /etc/init.d/networking is that it times out when obtaining a DHCP address and I don't know why. |
| 12:38.08 | valdyn | pobega: assiciation with the ap comes before dhclient |
| 12:38.13 | realbitrate | is there any tool that make me see the *real* bit rate of an mp3? you see a file, audacious says a file called song.mp3 is 32kbps while nautilus says its 253kpbs |
| 12:38.27 | valdyn | pobega: thats like "iwconfig wlan0 ap NAME |
| 12:38.29 | valdyn | pobega: thats like "iwconfig wlan0 ap NAME" |
| 12:38.37 | valdyn | pobega: read "man wireless" |
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| 12:39.31 | nmh_2Grajw | realbitrate: have you tried mpg123 or mplayer? |
| 12:40.06 | abrotman | !info mp3info |
| 12:40.17 | pobega | valdyn: You aren't getting me...I AM associated with the AP. I have it in my /etc/network/interfaces, and I've tried it manually, so stop pointing me to that main page, I know how it works. `iwconfig essid blah`, `iwconfig key wep_key`. But the point is, one times out and one doesn't |
| 12:40.35 | chlue | realbitrate: thats the problem with dynamic bitrate. Some programms show the current bitrate, some report the bitrate of the first part of the file and some calculate the average bitrate by dividing the filesize trough the runtime. I guess the 253 from nautilus might be the most interessting averone one. |
| 12:40.36 | dpkg | mp3info: (An MP3 technical info viewer and ID3 1.x tag editor), section sound, is extra. Version: 0.8.5a-1 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 12:41.35 | valdyn | pobega: you can only set essid and/or wep key while the wlan is down and activate by bringing it up |
| 12:41.42 | valdyn | pobega: youre not telling what exactly you did |
| 12:42.03 | valdyn | pobega: ^^^ is depending on driver |
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| 12:42.41 | pobega | valdyn: It's in /etc/network/interfaces, shall I post the entry? It's just inet ath0, and wireless-essid and wireless-key |
| 12:42.51 | pobega | qwho |
| 12:42.56 | pobega | wrong window |
| 12:42.57 | postgres | it was a good thought... perhaps the module didn't load at the right time for the command to make sense |
| 12:43.32 | valdyn | pobega: sure, and the command you are running |
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| 12:44.26 | pobega | valdyn: /etc/init.d/networking start, which brings up the interface normally (i.e. when I am home), but as of now I'm trying to connect to my father's AP |
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| 12:47.01 | pobega | It's the same syntax in the file for when I use it at home, but it doesn't connect correctly here. But when I use wifi-radar, it connects right away. |
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| 12:48.14 | stew | pobega: show us the output of "iwconfig ; ifconfig" from both when it is working and when it isn't |
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| 12:52.40 | pobega | stew: You mean when I am connected and when I am not? |
| 12:52.41 | p1ngp0ng | is apt-get install sun-java6-jre the correct java to install to view web applications? |
| 12:52.41 | stew | pobega: both |
| 12:53.03 | stew | pobega: so we can see what is different |
| 12:53.13 | pobega | stew: Okay, I'll brb, I need to restart my laptop for that one, so I can have a fresh interface before wifi-radar |
| 12:53.16 | stew | pobega: no, sun-java6-plugin |
| 12:53.44 | realbitrate | ok. thanks |
| 12:54.00 | stew | p1ngp0ng: no, sun-java6-plugin |
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| 12:56.14 | p1ngp0ng | stew: from which repository do you get that? |
| 12:56.19 | p1ngp0ng | stew: im using etch |
| 12:56.32 | abrotman | p1ngp0ng: which architecture? |
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| 12:56.56 | p1ngp0ng | amd64 |
| 12:57.08 | abrotman | SoL |
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| 12:57.22 | p1ngp0ng | abrotman: ? |
| 12:57.57 | stew | p1ngp0ng: sun doesn't make a plugin for amd64 |
| 12:58.13 | p1ngp0ng | oh, then what do i need to do? |
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| 12:59.11 | pobega | stew: http://pastebin.com/m765a7dd6 is before |
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| 13:00.12 | JensB | Hi everybody |
| 13:00.40 | pobega | (I know the keys are different, my dad's router has multiple keys, that isn't the problem, trust me) |
| 13:02.06 | JensB | I am about to set up a new Lenny "all in one" server which will replace an old Sarge server. In Sarge I used 'md' for all partitions to be able to replace a broken harddisk without a hassle. For the new system, I "just" want to mirror two harddisks, 1:1. I heard that LVM2 can do mirroring now but I don#t really need resizeable partitions etc. What is the simplest option here? Thanks! |
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| 13:03.09 | akuehntopf | how can i install stuff from unstable on a testing system |
| 13:03.13 | akuehntopf | with aptitude? |
| 13:04.08 | abrotman | you don't |
| 13:04.23 | abrotman | akuehntopf: why do you keep trying to do that? |
| 13:05.00 | akuehntopf | i need a "more or less" stable base system |
| 13:05.08 | abrotman | then just use stable |
| 13:05.10 | akuehntopf | but also gnome 2.22 which according to http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.22-status.html |
| 13:05.17 | abrotman | then use ubuntu .. see #ubuntu |
| 13:05.18 | akuehntopf | is on the unstable tree |
| 13:05.49 | abrotman | lenny doesn't have .22 |
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| 13:06.16 | abrotman | or rather .. nto all of it |
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| 13:10.08 | Gnurdux | hmmm, a little off topic, but if a computer, when it turns on, runs its fans and everything but doesnt send anything to the display, its not POSTing, right? |
| 13:10.31 | abrotman | Gnurdux: ##hardware .. no beep .. something is dead |
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| 13:10.49 | Gnurdux | no beep |
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| 13:11.14 | Gnurdux | i think this happened to my friend when he was building a box, and a light turned out to be on on the mobo, indicating the error |
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| 13:13.13 | streuner | Aug 31 15:00:00 amset postfix/smtpd[14062]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mail.gmx.net[213.165.64.20]: 554 5.7.1 |
| 13:13.21 | streuner | any idea what caused this? |
| 13:13.47 | abrotman | look above/below |
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| 13:20.26 | abrotman | streuner: any hints? |
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| 13:42.10 | zxxd | hi |
| 13:42.33 | zxxd | i have a strange issue , when linux starts it sets the wrong time for my box |
| 13:42.44 | zxxd | +3 more hours |
| 13:43.23 | zxxd | timezone is right |
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| 13:45.14 | rahsputin | hi ! How can i find out what Chipset my PCMCIA wireless card has ? |
| 13:45.20 | rahsputin | with what command? |
| 13:45.51 | goksin | lspci -v |
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| 13:46.36 | KnuckOne | zxxd, you timezone can be right, NTP can mess it up |
| 13:46.43 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 13:46.43 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 13:46.55 | zxxd | KnuckOne, not running ntpo |
| 13:46.58 | zxxd | KnuckOne, ntp |
| 13:47.12 | zxxd | KnuckOne, hwclock script reports my CMOS clock time +3 hours |
| 13:47.21 | zxxd | KnuckOne, during bootup |
| 13:47.55 | rahsputin | goksin That command didnt tell me anything about my Card |
| 13:48.22 | zxxd | select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
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| 13:49.28 | rahsputin | With what command can i find out what chipset my PCMCIA WIRELESS CARD has ? |
| 13:50.18 | abrotman | lspcmcia |
| 13:51.16 | rahsputin | thanx abrotman |
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| 13:55.18 | cahoot | zxxd: try to add --directisa to hwclock parms |
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| 14:00.07 | zxxd | cahoot, why dosen't it work with /dev/rtc |
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| 14:00.47 | octoserver | help |
| 14:01.53 | octoserver | I can install nvidia, and it works, but when I reboot, I see a message flash saying "removing nvidia TLS links" and the Nvidia driver doesnt work again |
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| 14:03.03 | octoserver | and in KDDM.log i have Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 14:03.25 | octoserver | but, It works fine after the install and up untill i reboot, any ideas? |
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| 14:04.20 | octoserver | It seems like during the boot process, something is removing parts of the nvidia install? |
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| 14:07.54 | octoserver | nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. Is this bad ? lol |
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| 14:08.21 | tview | octoserver: its the pain in the arse politically motivated crowd. I had to reinstall to get the glx drivers working. |
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| 14:09.50 | Catshit_ | Hi is there a program which can send a email too my gmail when the ipadress changes from my ISP ? |
| 14:10.34 | octoserver | tview: reinstall Deb, ir the vid driver? |
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| 14:11.09 | endschranz | hi, can anyone help me, reseting my root password? |
| 14:11.23 | octoserver | tview: when i install it, it works fine but after reboot, kdm cant bring uo the display |
| 14:11.23 | asg | endschranz: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 14:11.25 | abrotman | Catshit_: you could write your own .. or use something like dyndns |
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| 14:12.37 | endschranz | asg: its an embedded device it, has no screen, so the init method wont work |
| 14:12.51 | octoserver | tview: when I booted back up I saw a message saying it removes the TLS links |
| 14:13.15 | asg | endschranz: no serial console or anything? What kind of storage are you using? |
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| 14:13.37 | octoserver | tview: it did that just before kdm came up, and then kdm couldnt find the nvidia driver because it had just been removed. I cant figure out what is removing it though |
| 14:13.55 | endschranz | asg: external usb drive , now plugged to my computer |
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| 14:14.13 | asg | endschranz: then mount the root partition, chroot into it and run 'passwd root' |
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| 14:14.51 | endschranz | asg: chroot also wont work ,because it's not an amd64 machine |
| 14:15.34 | endschranz | asg: i try to delete the password field in the schadow file, but it keeps me asking for the password |
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| 14:16.12 | Zambezi | Youtube complaints about Flash, but it worked the other day. Same for anyone else? |
| 14:16.27 | Catshit_ | abrotman thanks ..only prolem dyndns removes after 30 days of inactivity ...but that is easy fixed :-) |
| 14:16.29 | abrotman | which version of debian? which browser? |
| 14:16.40 | abrotman | no i won't answer! |
| 14:16.48 | x1938 | is it possible to install a .deb file without root access ? |
| 14:17.03 | asg | endschranz: you could setup a base debian in qemu for the same architecture and chroot from there provided you are able to mount the usb drive in the qemu image. |
| 14:17.04 | x1938 | error : dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege |
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| 14:17.51 | asg | endschranz: you could also try just copying a known good /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow to the filesystem since they shouldn't be affected by the architecture. |
| 14:18.07 | gionn | Zambezi, flashplugin-nonfree package released today broke flash on my iceweasel too |
| 14:18.15 | Zambezi | x1938: Don't you have rootaccess? |
| 14:18.23 | x1938 | no |
| 14:18.31 | endschranz | asg: ok, I don't even know why my root password is changed |
| 14:18.39 | Zambezi | x1938: Then you shouldn't install it. ;-) |
| 14:18.46 | x1938 | i have access to gcc |
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| 14:19.36 | Zambezi | x1938: Is it a shell? |
| 14:19.59 | asg | endschranz: you may have a corrupt /etc/shadow, hard to say. If you have non-root users and you have sudo on the machine, another alternative would be to give one of them full sudo access. |
| 14:20.09 | x1938 | if i compile it with gcc with no superuser privileges |
| 14:20.20 | x1938 | would other uses other than root have access to it ? |
| 14:20.28 | Zambezi | gionn: I'm not sure mine is updated yet, but I just run apt-get -y upgrade && exit so it could be installed. |
| 14:20.38 | x1938 | Zambezi : yes |
| 14:20.49 | Zambezi | x1938: Then ask the provider. |
| 14:21.13 | x1938 | not available at the moment :) |
| 14:21.14 | gionn | Zambezi, check package version 1.7 is the latest from sid. I downgraded to the precedent version |
| 14:21.20 | endschranz | asg: ok , adding my user to sudoers |
| 14:21.53 | x1938 | would other users* |
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| 14:22.47 | dudeman | Good Morning |
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| 14:24.44 | Amranu | anyone else have flash trouble in sid? |
| 14:24.49 | Zambezi | gionn: I'll have a look later. |
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| 14:25.02 | Zambezi | Amranu: Yes. I have. Noticed today. |
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| 14:25.42 | Amranu | k, good. I've also tried installing the flash 10 RC today, but no luck. Some error to do with libcurl.so.3 |
| 14:26.17 | Amranu | the only problem I see with the repo flash is that it doesn't bother trying to set itself up after downloading the install package |
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| 14:26.40 | joe_ | hey |
| 14:26.51 | joe_ | I accidentally rm'ed my a file I was working on |
| 14:26.58 | Amranu | nice |
| 14:27.07 | joe_ | And I can't figure out how to recover it. |
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| 14:27.38 | joe_ | It was on my /home partition (which is a ?virtual? dm-crypt'ed partition mounted via /dev/mapper) |
| 14:27.42 | joe_ | nothing in lost+found |
| 14:27.50 | joe_ | I'm using reiserfs, btw |
| 14:28.05 | Amranu | I'm not sure there's a way to recover an rm'd file |
| 14:28.12 | Amranu | could be wrong though |
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| 14:28.21 | joe_ | cats disk |
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| 14:32.14 | Frills9 | How do I get the properties of a filesystem ? such as type, block size |
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| 14:33.48 | abrotman | Frills9: ext2/3 ? |
| 14:34.11 | zxxd | On an ISA system, hwclock can directly access the "CMOS memory" registers that constitute the clock, by doing I/O to Ports 0x70 and 0x71. using ISA bus? |
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| 14:34.48 | dan2 | asg: what's up brotha |
| 14:35.29 | Frills9 | abrotman: yeah, but I've found it now in /sbin/dumpe2fs |
| 14:35.34 | abrotman | ok |
| 14:36.17 | asg | dan2: hiya, how are things? |
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| 14:40.13 | dan2 | asg: very good |
| 14:40.28 | amoe | hi, i'm using ndiswrapper on debian etch. put in the 128-bit wep key to connect to my network with iwconfig, and set the essid properly, but it still won't associate |
| 14:40.37 | amoe | iwconfig shows essid as off/any |
| 14:41.26 | amoe | problem with ndiswrapper or the ndis driver maybe? |
| 14:41.49 | amoe | chipset is sis163u |
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| 14:43.29 | amoe | i had a 64-bit wep key before and it associated fine |
| 14:43.35 | amoe | different network though |
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| 14:51.20 | cga | hi all |
| 14:51.40 | grul | hi friend :) |
| 14:51.52 | cga | how do i get all the options for composite in xorg.conf ??? nvidia-xconfig creates none |
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| 14:54.59 | sysop3 | has anyone got a sprint u720 working in lenny?/ |
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| 14:57.16 | Agiofws | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 14:57.16 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.16 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:58.19 | nkuttler | Agiofws: did you mix stable/testing/sid sources? |
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| 14:59.01 | Agiofws | nkuttler, maybe |
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| 14:59.29 | abrotman | Agiofws: you're mixing |
| 14:59.48 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:/etc/apt$paste < sources.list |
| 14:59.48 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/wBfNWk80.html |
| 15:00.31 | abrotman | Agiofws: aptitude update && aptitude install iceweasel |
| 15:00.43 | Agiofws | did that |
| 15:00.49 | Agiofws | wait ket ne try again |
| 15:00.50 | simosx | Hi all. Been using many distros, now trying with Debian. I want to to install a basic GNOME environment, then get gnome devel packages, Xorg 1.5, etc. What do I get from http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ ? (as in minimal size) |
| 15:01.06 | abrotman | simosx: aptitude install gnome-core gdm xorg |
| 15:01.22 | abrotman | simosx: that installer will give you a text system and the ability to add more |
| 15:01.22 | Agiofws | i use apt-get not aptitude though |
| 15:01.24 | simosx | abrotman: have not installed debian yet. which .iso do I get? |
| 15:01.31 | abrotman | Agiofws: maybe that's your problem |
| 15:01.34 | abrotman | simosx: the netinst is fine |
| 15:01.53 | Amranu | dvd is fastest though, the cd might as well be net install.. |
| 15:02.21 | Agiofws | abrotman, now iceweasel is installed ... |
| 15:02.22 | simosx | abrotman: any preference between debian-LennyBeta2-i386-netinst.iso and debian-40r4a-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 15:02.24 | Agiofws | BUT .. |
| 15:02.28 | Agiofws | its not working |
| 15:02.34 | abrotman | simosx: one is beta .. the other is stable |
| 15:02.36 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/25384 |
| 15:02.50 | Amranu | lenny should be good, it's far more up to date then etch |
| 15:02.54 | abrotman | Agiofws: what is that showing me? |
| 15:03.00 | abrotman | Amranu: it's also not released |
| 15:03.10 | Agiofws | no OPTIONS and NO page display |
| 15:03.23 | Amranu | well yeah |
| 15:03.27 | abrotman | Agiofws: so if you load google.com ? |
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| 15:03.39 | Agiofws | get white |
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| 15:03.52 | Agiofws | you see NO DROP down menus ? |
| 15:04.22 | abrotman | Agiofws: maybe try mv ~/.mozilla !/.mozilla.old |
| 15:04.24 | abrotman | erm |
| 15:04.27 | abrotman | Agiofws: maybe try mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla.old |
| 15:05.09 | simosx | abrotman: what's the difference between the stable / beta net installers above, in practical terms? are the packages they reference later going to be the same ('testing')? |
| 15:05.17 | Agiofws | same shit |
| 15:05.26 | simosx | aye |
| 15:05.33 | abrotman | simosx: stable is etch .. stuff works better but is older .. |
| 15:05.39 | abrotman | simosx: Agiofws wasn't talking to you |
| 15:05.58 | Amranu | isn't lenny about to be released? |
| 15:05.59 | abrotman | simosx: testing is currently lenny .. lenny will release as stable one day .. it has newer stuff, but more things might be broken |
| 15:06.01 | Agiofws | abrotman, ok killed firefox-bin |
| 15:06.03 | abrotman | Amranu: hardly |
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| 15:06.09 | abrotman | !rc |
| 15:06.10 | dpkg | it has been said that rc is Release-critical, or Release Candidate |
| 15:06.12 | abrotman | bah |
| 15:06.22 | Amranu | I heard sometime next month |
| 15:06.26 | abrotman | lies |
| 15:06.28 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 15:06.33 | abrotman | when the RC bugs hit 0 |
| 15:06.45 | abrotman | kids have got to stop reading slashdot |
| 15:06.55 | simosx | abrotman: ok, thanks. I am trying out LennyBeta. as long as it can install in virtualbox and bring up X 1.5, I am happy. |
| 15:07.09 | abrotman | i think it's X 1.4 |
| 15:07.11 | Amranu | ah |
| 15:07.28 | Amranu | well what do I know, I use sid so obviously bugs don't bother me lol |
| 15:07.36 | abrotman | right .. obviously |
| 15:07.41 | abrotman | lololololroflolololol |
| 15:07.49 | Amranu | ahaha |
| 15:08.01 | Agiofws | FUCK where did my book marks GO ? |
| 15:08.08 | abrotman | you just moved them! |
| 15:08.15 | Amranu | they went poof |
| 15:08.15 | abrotman | Agiofws: is the browser working or not? |
| 15:08.28 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/25385 |
| 15:08.44 | abrotman | Agiofws: does the browser work or not? |
| 15:08.56 | Agiofws | abrotman, now it is cause i killed firefox-bin |
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| 15:09.48 | Agiofws | FUCK |
| 15:09.53 | abrotman | Agiofws: WHAT? |
| 15:10.00 | valdyn | Agiofws: whats a backup? |
| 15:10.09 | Agiofws | book marks disapeared |
| 15:10.11 | abrotman | just freaking move the .mozilla.old back to .mozilla |
| 15:10.26 | Agiofws | I DID |
| 15:10.28 | Agiofws | look |
| 15:10.32 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/25385 |
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| 15:11.11 | abrotman | you have to stop firefox before you move its folder around |
| 15:11.23 | Agiofws | thanks ... :) |
| 15:11.36 | abrotman | besides .. the bookmarks are all in one file IIRC |
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| 15:11.57 | abrotman | gives antgel some lettuce |
| 15:11.57 | Agiofws | yes but now my book marks are gone |
| 15:11.59 | Amranu | blah |
| 15:12.35 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$ls -lhd .mozilla/ |
| 15:12.35 | Agiofws | drwx------ 5 agiofws agiofws 4.0K 2008-08-31 18:06 .mozilla/ |
| 15:12.35 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$ |
| 15:12.37 | Agiofws | GRRR |
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| 15:12.57 | abrotman | what was that supposed to show? |
| 15:13.24 | Agiofws | abrotman, something OVERWRITed me .mozilla/ folder |
| 15:13.29 | Agiofws | i lost everything |
| 15:13.40 | Agiofws | overwrote* |
| 15:13.46 | abrotman | fails to see how that shows that |
| 15:13.57 | Agiofws | the date |
| 15:14.01 | Agiofws | and the time |
| 15:14.10 | abrotman | which gets updated every time you run iceweasel ? |
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| 15:14.36 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~/.mozilla/firefox$ls |
| 15:14.36 | Agiofws | profiles.ini zh9ad54a.default |
| 15:14.40 | abrotman | Agiofws: maybe you should poke around in the .mozilla/ folder and see what's in there .. mine has a bookmarks.html and a bookmarkbackup |
| 15:16.01 | [A]giofws | thanks i'll see later |
| 15:16.03 | [A]giofws | :( |
| 15:17.34 | x03 | hy |
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| 15:28.33 | endschranz | hi, any nslu2 users here? |
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| 15:30.17 | abrotman | endschranz: just ask |
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| 15:32.02 | endschranz | ok, with debian on a nslu2 , should one of the disk led be on when a usb harddisk is directly attached to a usb port? |
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| 15:32.44 | asg | endschranz: hang on, let me run upstairs and check |
| 15:32.55 | maligor | there's #nslu2-linux too I think |
| 15:33.05 | endschranz | asg: ok thx |
| 15:34.05 | asg | endschranz: yes, the 'disk1' light is on on my slug |
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| 15:35.45 | endschranz | asg: could you give me your lsusb output? |
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| 15:37.28 | Clint_ | Do cable modems get old too the point where im expecting like 800KB/s but im only getting 23 |
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| 15:38.40 | asg | endschranz: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/slug.txt (that's lsusb and lsusb -vv) |
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| 15:39.15 | SteveHH | hello @ all |
| 15:40.26 | endschranz | asg: ok thx, could you pls post your z60_nslu2-led udev rule? |
| 15:41.29 | endschranz | asg: ok, i will take them from packages.debian.org |
| 15:41.54 | SteveHH | hello .. i have some problems with qmail running under debian .. may somebody help me pls ? |
| 15:42.36 | asg | endschranz: sorry, don't have a z60_nslu2-led rule. This is etch though. |
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| 15:44.56 | madk | i get all the time ata7: exception when i look into the console. http://www.pastebin.ca/1189638 |
| 15:45.01 | madk | how do i fix this? |
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| 15:47.17 | octoserver | when I try to sonfigure the screen saver, my desktop turns black and my right click menu disapears. Any ideas why? |
| 15:47.32 | endschranz | asg: ok in etch disk-1 is always on |
| 15:47.40 | octoserver | I am sure I have all of the screensaver stuff installed, and nothing should be missing from KDE? |
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| 15:47.48 | Frills9 | What is the difference between using LVM over LUKS and LUKS over LVM ? Which is preferable? |
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| 15:50.13 | geolr_ | Hi all, I was wondering if through debian packages it would be possible to install software with all its dependencies on to a removable filesystem aka usb-stick. This would produce something like stickware, I intend to use it on an eeepc. Thank you for any hints. |
| 15:50.25 | Intensity | I'm trying to build a package statically. However, strangely, when configure is compiling a conftest, it reports "undefined reference to `inflateEnd'" and other errors, even though I can confirm "-static -lz" is on the command line upon examining config.log. So, "inflateEnd" is clearly defined in -lz (not just referenced). I'm confused why the link would give the undefined reference error. |
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| 15:52.37 | xingu | Intensity: do you have libz.a ? |
| 15:52.48 | Intensity | xingu: Yes. |
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| 15:53.11 | Intensity | xingu: I did an apt-get build-dep package too. I have plenty of development packages on this system. |
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| 15:58.10 | xingu | Intensity: what does ldd think about the corresponding binary (usually conftest or similar) |
| 15:58.34 | Intensity | xingu: The binary "conftest" wasn't created, since the link failed. |
| 15:58.53 | xingu | Intensity: is this a crossbuild? |
| 15:58.59 | Intensity | xingu: No. |
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| 15:59.44 | xingu | Intensity: ok you need to pick it apart; get the test code (usually either from config.log or .err or similar); paste it into a .c source file, then build it as per config.log's build |
| 16:00.07 | xingu | Intensity: sorry, but the failure at this point is non-obvious; you'll have to single step the build process to work out what the hell. |
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| 16:01.29 | Intensity | xingu: I agree that it's non-obvious. But apart from what is in the test code, I am completely confused as to why the link would fail when configure is specifying the libraries themselves on the command line of gcc. |
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| 16:02.08 | xingu | Intensity: sure, totally agree, it should be working; you'll need to take the fault outside of autobreak's test harness to progress |
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| 16:03.04 | xingu | Intensity: for all I know your gcc can't find your libz.a, or, it can find it but it's deciding that it's not the right arch, or whatever. |
| 16:03.35 | octoserver | anyone know what would cause control center to crash when clicking on the screensaver icon |
| 16:03.45 | abrotman | octoserver: dont' ask both servers .. just pick one |
| 16:04.12 | octoserver | abrotman: they dont have the same people in them do they? |
| 16:04.13 | xingu | Intensity: gcc's "-v" will show you what it's doing when it exec's helpers like binutils etc. |
| 16:04.29 | jameswf-home | anyone know the di command to skip user creation |
| 16:04.34 | octoserver | abrotman: besides youand me? lol |
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| 16:06.08 | Intensity | xingu: I could write a wrapper gcc function that copies conftest.c or whatever it is to another file. Then I can attempt to compile and link it by hand. However, even in principle I don't know of a C file that one could create that would cause this type of link error (since -lz exists and defines the symbol). The link that is being executed is: cc -o conftest -fno-strict-aliasing -Wall -g -Wall -O2 -I/usr/include -L/usr/lib -static |
| 16:06.08 | Intensity | /usr/lib/libbz2.a /usr/lib/libz.a /usr/lib/libltdl.a conftest.c -lextractor -lgmp -lm -lnsl -lpthread |
| 16:06.08 | Intensity | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.57 | xingu | Intensity: the conftest.c will be inline in configure itself if it's not logged anywhere else |
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| 16:08.30 | xingu | Intensity: if you can hork it out I can probably spend a few seconds looking for the obvious |
| 16:09.02 | Intensity | xingu: Thanks... However, what do you mean by hork? :) |
| 16:09.11 | xingu | Intensity: toss it up in a pastebin |
| 16:09.26 | xingu | Intensity: won't be more than a handful of lines, they never are. |
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| 16:09.51 | xingu | (did I mention I hate autobreak and autobreak-alikes with a vengeance?) |
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| 16:10.59 | Intensity | xingu: Ok. I'm trying a different approach, which is to run "./debian/rules binary", then later modify the built binaries by re-linking them statically (or at least, semi-statically). Semi-static would be sufficient. |
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| 16:11.26 | xingu | Intensity: if you want to point me at the source I could go from there too |
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| 16:12.34 | xingu | Intensity: (nb, I've _so_ been here and done this; I do hope that your target has a near-enough libgcc_s, that can be a pig) |
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| 16:12.50 | Intensity | xingu: Well, I'm trying to build gnunet without having a dependency on libglade2-0, for that brings in a whole lot of dependencies that I don't need. |
| 16:13.43 | xingu | Intensity: ok I'll troubleshoot from sid:apt-get source gnunet |
| 16:13.51 | xingu | Intensity: I'm assuming that's near-enough |
| 16:14.58 | Intensity | xingu: That would be great. I guess I'm wondering about a general procedure to do what I'm looking to do. I've specified LDFLAGS before running ./debian/rules, with the intention of removing a library dependency. I had to build -lextractor to include a static version. The option "--enable-static" isn't set by default in the Debian build for it. |
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| 16:16.12 | phlux | http://www.ewnix.net/~phlux/poundawn.png |
| 16:16.23 | xingu | Intensity: I usually hack debian/rules' "configure" invocation to pass --enable-static all the way down. |
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| 16:17.38 | octoserver | is there a way to set the default screen saver from a file ? |
| 16:18.01 | Intensity | xingu: Right. I did that with -lextractor, and it produced the ".a" files just fine. Those files, as far as I know, weren't included in the .deb, but security updates aside, it was sufficient for me to copy those files directly into /usr/lib. |
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| 16:18.53 | phlux | k, so for some reason, I have a kernel for a 486 installed |
| 16:19.09 | phlux | need to uninstall that.. cause this is a brand new laptop.. nothing near a 486. |
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| 16:21.58 | phlux | or is 486 just generic for x86? |
| 16:22.40 | jo4 | Hi, i'm setting up proftpd, but when i try logging in it says Unable to open password file /etc/passwd for reading: Permission denied.. |
| 16:23.18 | xingu | Intensity: ok so the problem seems to be your ".../usr/lib/libz.a..." (etc, all lib*a) grodiness |
| 16:23.26 | jelly-home | phlux: 486 is the kernel that the installer uses, as generic as debian currently provides, yes |
| 16:23.35 | xingu | Intensity: gcc -o conftest -fno-strict-aliasing -Wall -g -Wall -O2 -I/usr/include -L/usr/lib conftest.c -static -lm -lnsl -lpthread -lz <-- works just fine |
| 16:23.46 | jo4 | permissions for passwd file is -rw-r----- 1 root root |
| 16:24.15 | jelly-home | phlux: you'll likely be happier with linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 16:24.59 | xingu | Intensity: nm conftest | grep compress; ... 00000000004003d0 T compress |
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| 16:25.02 | phlux | Indeed.. going to try that., |
| 16:25.02 | lvh | hello |
| 16:25.03 | phlux | thanks |
| 16:25.04 | jelly-home | phlux: (among other things, the 486 kernel can only use 1GiB of RAM) |
| 16:25.33 | Intensity | xingu: Yeah. I could try to get configure to do everything statically, but I don't think it's set up to do that. But, another approach may work, since it starts from something that is already working. I build the package, and then delete all of the binaries, then run a final make command where I log the output so that I know the commands invoked to rebuild. Then I would change those commands to a static build. |
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| 16:25.52 | lvh | whats the best way to get the javadoc packages under debian? And by that, I mean the javadocs for everything in java.* and preferably the extremely common added packages such as org.junit.* and friends |
| 16:26.11 | lvh | I have found javahelp2 but that only included some stuff in javax.*, not what I wanted. |
| 16:26.29 | xingu | Intensity: you'd be surprised; --enable-static=yes --enable-shared=no usually does it. |
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| 16:27.24 | Intensity | xingu: I did add --enable-static, but I did not disable shared. It built many static libraries, but it didn't cause the binaries to be built statically. |
| 16:27.25 | xingu | Intensity: whatever, the problem is _invocation_, your command trail - at a guess you're effectively asking cc to compile _as well as_ merge archives and it doesn't like that concept |
| 16:27.50 | xingu | Intensity: that's where you need to dive in with ldd and find out why |
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| 16:28.34 | denysonique | Hi |
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| 16:29.01 | Intensity | xingu: But passing --enable-static to a package that includes both libraries and binaries usually doesn't mean that it is meant to build the binaries themselves statically. It's my understanding that --enable-static means it will also build additional and corresponding static libraries for each shared library that it would otherwise create. |
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| 16:29.38 | {xmb} | there is -i6886 packages |
| 16:29.39 | {xmb} | -686* |
| 16:29.39 | xingu | Intensity: it'll build the binaries static if you disables the .so generation |
| 16:29.47 | lvh | Ah, problem solved. Apparently Sun's license for javadoc restricts it from being shipped with debian. Thanks anyway. |
| 16:29.57 | denysonique | I get this error http://rafb.net/p/JwyN5H94.html while trying to apt-get update |
| 16:30.25 | dmoerner | dpkg, tell denysonique -about dynamic mmap |
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| 16:30.56 | Intensity | xingu: I'll give that a try (--disable-shared). I see how it might build quasi-statically (that is, not specifying -static, but including the static version of -lpackage only). |
| 16:31.00 | xingu | Intensity: course it depends on the project and how broken their autobreak config script is |
| 16:31.24 | xingu | Intensity: regardless, for that configure script - cc -static -lz does the expected |
| 16:31.40 | xingu | Intensity: and more particularly, cc -static /usr/lib/libz.a just chokes |
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| 16:32.16 | xingu | (I have my suspicions that that style of building died a death along with .sa's |
| 16:32.38 | Intensity | xingu: Hmm. When specifying "--disable-shared", it warns me: "GNUnet only works with shared libraries. Sorry" |
| 16:32.43 | xingu | heh |
| 16:33.17 | xingu | Intensity: cripple the test in configure :) |
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| 16:34.01 | xingu | does so just to see |
| 16:34.09 | Intensity | xingu: Ok. I've done that before. :) I can't see how fundamentally a package couldn't be compiled statically, or quasi-statically, for the determined. |
| 16:34.26 | xingu | gah, it wants curl |
| 16:35.37 | denysonique | dmoerner: thanks! I am very new to debian. |
| 16:36.50 | xingu | Intensity: nb, don't forget to use the install-strip target later in debian/rules either; you don't want unstripped, static binaries. :) |
| 16:37.57 | Intensity | xingu: Hmm. Maybe since -lglade-2.0 is the specific library that I want to remove as a Debian dependency, then I could specify LDFLAGS=' /usr/lib/libglade-2.0.a ' so that the project is built with shared libraries primarily, but in the cases where it is linking in libglade, it will hopefully attempt to bring in the static version first. The Makefiles will still specify their own -lglade-2.0 probably, so I might need to create a |
| 16:37.57 | Intensity | wrapping cc that removes the other instances from the command line. |
| 16:37.57 | Intensity | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.52 | dustybin | am i right in thinking, that with the use of shfs, i could mount my entire music collection from my debian server at home securely, and listen to my music via itunes on os x using the shfs os x client? |
| 16:39.13 | dustybin | at work we use os x |
| 16:39.40 | Tenzer | dustybin: You could use sshfs, I don't know if that is what you ment |
| 16:39.48 | dustybin | yep i mean that |
| 16:39.54 | xingu | Intensity: not sure LDFLAGS is right for that; you might CFLAGS instead? |
| 16:39.55 | Tenzer | Okay, it works just fine :) |
| 16:40.00 | dustybin | ace |
| 16:40.03 | lvh | Once you use sshfs, you have a filesystem |
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| 16:40.09 | Tenzer | If you can SSH to a machine, you can most properly also use sshfs |
| 16:40.21 | Tenzer | (Requires SFTP capabilities in the server) |
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| 16:40.24 | lvh | Anything that reads from filesystems doesnt care wether its locally mounted, on a hard drive, a CD, or somewhere across the network |
| 16:40.43 | dustybin | then i could tell itunes on os x to read the music from the mounted sshfs partition, my entire music collection at work!!!!! |
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| 16:40.52 | lvh | yes |
| 16:40.55 | xingu | Intensity: come to think of it, this in a nutshell is your whole problem |
| 16:40.57 | dustybin | now that is cool |
| 16:41.27 | xingu | Intensity: if you go back and look at your failing command line, you'll note that the LDFLAGS libs are included _before_ conftest.c on the command line |
| 16:41.29 | lvh | dustybin: I'm sorry, maybe I've been working with unixlikes for too long to be amazed by this :-) |
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| 16:41.45 | lvh | dustybin: We've been doing stuff like this on unices since the iron age |
| 16:41.56 | dustybin | lvh: securely? |
| 16:42.00 | lvh | Admittedly not with such fancy encryption |
| 16:42.06 | xingu | Intensity: this is what's confusing the compiler; it thinks you're trying to do something crazy; if conftest.c is listed _before_ the rest of the trail, the build works as-is. |
| 16:42.09 | asmajala | ÙÙذا ÙÙ |
| 16:42.18 | dustybin | moutning samba / NFS over the internet is not a good idea... |
| 16:42.37 | asmajala | ÙÙذا ÙÙ |
| 16:42.40 | denysonique | dmoerner: why its not? |
| 16:42.59 | lvh | dustybin: well, no, but the interesting concept here is the fact that you can access stuff from across any TCP/IP connection as if it were local |
| 16:43.04 | lvh | dustybin: the encryption is just gravy |
| 16:43.09 | dmoerner | denysonique, i'm sorry, did you ask me a question? |
| 16:43.10 | dustybin | aye |
| 16:43.22 | lvh | dustybin: plus, mounting nfs over the internet has bigger issues than people stealing your data |
| 16:43.24 | dustybin | lvh: it might be really really slow |
| 16:43.30 | denysonique | dmoerner: sorry it was to dustybin |
| 16:43.57 | denysonique | dustybin: why its not? (samba safe over the net) |
| 16:44.01 | lvh | dustybin: I'd be more worried about *ME* reading my data than *OTHERS* reading my data if I were reliant on NFS-across-internet, at least with home quality dsl connections |
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| 16:44.12 | Intensity | xingu: Hmm. Okay. I suppose then I could find a way to insert it at the right place. Perhaps CFLAGS may be it. But how about the approach I'm trying, which is to let it build its binaries even though they may be linked with shared libraries, then to use the output of make to do a static rebuild? |
| 16:44.24 | lvh | denysonique: he's referring to "people cant snoop on my traffic" safety, aka encryption |
| 16:44.29 | asmajala | ÙÙذا ÙÙ |
| 16:44.36 | denysonique | I would consider VPN, then. |
| 16:44.38 | lvh | asmajala: noone can read what you're saying. |
| 16:44.50 | asmajala | ¿? |
| 16:44.59 | denysonique | rotfl |
| 16:45.00 | dustybin | do you think VPN would be a better solution |
| 16:45.16 | lvh | As long as you only need to mount something across the network, most certainly not. |
| 16:45.39 | lvh | IPsec is still a lot more complicated to set up than a simple sshfs. |
| 16:45.46 | pobega | I have 600 MB of free space I want to expand my root partition (ext3) out to, how would I go about doing this? |
| 16:45.47 | dustybin | ok |
| 16:45.51 | lvh | OpenVPN is simple, but still not as simple as sshfs |
| 16:45.54 | Intensity | xingu: Also, after removing the "configure" test for "--disable-shared", the build actually completed just fine with no warnings. So that is a good first step, even though I don't yet have static binaries. I may be happy with quasi-static. |
| 16:46.03 | denysonique | sshfs would be the best solution |
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| 16:46.16 | asmajala | æ¯ |
| 16:46.23 | xingu | Intensity: nah cflags won't work here; this is the broken line you're up against: ac_link='$CC -o conftest$ac_exeext $CFLAGS $CPPFLAGS $LDFLAGS conftest.$ac_ext $LIBS >&5' |
| 16:46.26 | lvh | dustybin: If you need several TCP/IP based services running in between those two boxes, get a vpn |
| 16:46.35 | dustybin | it might take AGES for itunes to read all the music files using sshfs |
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| 16:46.44 | dustybin | ok |
| 16:47.06 | xingu | Intensity: so again given that LIBS is set-as: LIBS="-lz $LIBS" |
| 16:47.07 | lvh | dustybin: assuming both ends are reasonably recent computers with loads under one, sshfs gets pretty close to the performance of netcat |
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| 16:47.20 | lvh | dustybin: netcat being "throwing it across the line naked" |
| 16:47.21 | xingu | Intensity: the right thing to do is just let nature take its course and specify -static |
| 16:47.31 | dustybin | thats not bad then |
| 16:47.35 | xingu | Intensity: ie, anything you do with *FLAGS will happen _too early_ on the command line trail |
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| 16:48.06 | Snadder | When I start X.. it says "No screens" found.. as an error.. Dosnt work with X -configure.. how can I check which driver I need to install to get xorg working? |
| 16:48.10 | anabain | what's wrong in this: $ ln -s dirA/source.foo dirB/source.foo ? The symlink created is 0 bytes and clicking on konqueror it does yield an error. Why? |
| 16:48.12 | lvh | dustybin: at the end of the day, as long as your box can encrypt/decrypt faster than your line can transmit, you're not losing much |
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| 16:48.23 | Intensity | xingu: Ok. Hmm. It's strange that ldd isn't reporting a dependency on -lglade-2.0 at all for any of its binaries that were generated. |
| 16:48.40 | lvh | dustybin: and considering you're trying to set something up where one node is your home computer, I very much doubt your computer cant saturate your own internet connection :) |
| 16:49.01 | xingu | Intensity: *nod* - it'd be more interesting to find out what it was dependant on; one of those libs (excluding libgcc_s) will have no static lib available |
| 16:49.08 | anabain | oops: $ ln -s source_dir/a.foo dest_dir/a.foo |
| 16:49.24 | xingu | Intensity: once you've satisfied _all_ of the linkage as shared libs the binary should pop out as fully static. |
| 16:49.31 | lvh | anabain: concurrent versioning systems == backups |
| 16:49.45 | xingu | s/shared/static/ |
| 16:49.48 | anabain | lvh, ??? |
| 16:50.06 | Intensity | xingu: I'm also confused. When I do "ldd /usr/bin/gnunet*", I never see mention of -lglade-2.0 either, whereas according to dependencies it is believed that libglade is necessary. |
| 16:50.13 | xingu | heh |
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| 16:50.38 | lvh | anabain: sorry, I thought you implied you killed a file there, but I just saw they were the right way around. |
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| 16:51.18 | anabain | I only wanna create a valid symlink, lvh |
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| 16:51.38 | fistandandelus | hey guys, nubzilla here with a really stupid question, I have the lenny live cd, yet i cant installl from it...is there a way to install from it at all? |
| 16:51.49 | xingu | Intensity: I've seen weirder things; anyway, hope that's helped at least a little |
| 16:51.56 | anabain | lvh, when I run the above command, link is 0 bytes and outputs an error |
| 16:51.58 | Snadder | Anyone know how to find out what kinda network card i got? |
| 16:52.10 | Snadder | Oooops.. |
| 16:52.51 | Snadder | grafics card |
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| 16:53.40 | Run | Snadder: lspci maybe |
| 16:53.51 | Run | lspci -vvv |
| 16:54.02 | Intensity | xingu: Yep, thanks. One thing I feel might be helpful in the next release is to include static libraries for packages where '--enable-static' exists as an option. -lextractor only has a shared version. As far as I know the only way to create the ".a" file is to build it manually. I understand that the static version of the library would only be of use to a developer, so it might not be worthwhile to include it in the main package. |
| 16:54.02 | Intensity | But it could be easily included in an auxilliary package. |
| 16:54.02 | Intensity | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.07 | lvh | Surely lspci without the triple verbose will do ;-) |
| 16:54.15 | lvh | lspci | grep VGA |
| 16:54.19 | lvh | is usually a good guess |
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| 16:54.29 | xingu | Intensity: precisely, it's usually in the corresponding libfoo-dev package |
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| 16:54.42 | xingu | Intensity: if it's not here, bts it |
| 16:54.51 | Intensity | xingu: Right... But maybe an audit could be done for situations where this is not the case. |
| 16:54.55 | pobega | No one knows how to expand ext3 partitions? |
| 16:55.15 | xingu | Intensity: good point, should be part of the auto build whininess on master |
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| 16:55.23 | lvh | pobega: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions |
| 16:55.36 | Snadder | I got VIA Technologies Inc. UniChrome Pro IGP (rev 01).. X dosnt work.. no screens found. |
| 16:55.37 | xingu | Intensity: again bts it and see what the package maint thinks |
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| 16:55.49 | lvh | pobega: boot from a livecd if you want to resize / |
| 16:55.56 | lvh | pobega: especially if you're not sure what you're doing |
| 16:55.59 | eraldo | in the interfaces config file... if I have 3 providers to enter, what is the syntax ? |
| 16:55.59 | eraldo | for one it's just "provider defaults" for example |
| 16:55.59 | eraldo | but I need 3 providers to load for the one iface |
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| 16:56.18 | xingu | !unichrome |
| 16:56.18 | dpkg | unichrome is probably the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. see <xorg sarge>. Use the 'via' driver in xorg |
| 16:56.23 | lvh | eraldo: man interfaces |
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| 16:56.42 | eraldo | lvh: that's where I did not find it. |
| 16:56.52 | lvh | eraldo: make stuff like this: iface eth0-provider0, iface eth0-provider1, iface eth0-provider2 |
| 16:57.03 | lvh | eraldo: then read about mapping so you can tell it which one you want. |
| 16:57.06 | grendelson | I did a dist-upgrade last night (etch_) and no errors reported. However when I try to run xine or mplayer I get segmentation fault. VLC rus fine and plays DVD though. I tried uninstlaling and reinstall xine and xine-ui and restarting X window - no change. I have Nvidia card and NVidai latest i32 drivers. |
| 16:57.26 | lvh | eraldo: configure each one as if it was a separate network card |
| 16:57.47 | Snadder | When I do: X -configure .. and start X with: X -config /root/xorg.conf.new .. I get up a gray screen.. nothing more. The mouse works |
| 16:58.11 | eraldo | lvh: isn't there a way to add 3 provider names to one iface ? |
| 16:58.44 | eraldo | lvh: in the man page it says "provider name" what happens if I have 3 such providers listed as 3 lines ? |
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| 16:59.03 | Run | Snadder: that is good then. You need more than just X to get a desktop. |
| 16:59.06 | eraldo | lvh: or could I comma seperate them ? |
| 16:59.19 | Snadder | Run: what else do I need? |
| 16:59.31 | Run | Snadder: gnome or KDE |
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| 17:00.50 | Snadder | Run: Yeah.. Ive tried to restart gdm.. |
| 17:00.53 | lvh | eraldo: I'm sorry, I didn't realise you meant ppp providers |
| 17:00.59 | Snadder | But then it says "no screens found" |
| 17:01.03 | lvh | eraldo: I would still do what I did earlier |
| 17:01.23 | lvh | eraldo: you want a separate config for each provider, so make one (eth0-provider0, eth0-provider1, etc) |
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| 17:01.44 | Run | Snadder: So put that /root/xorg.conf.new where it belongs (/etc/X11/xorg.conf) |
| 17:01.54 | lvh | eraldo: the only difference is you use the ppp method instead of, say, static or dhcp |
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| 17:02.59 | Snadder | Run: thanks! |
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| 17:05.02 | eraldo | hm,... if I used wvdial to start my modem... |
| 17:05.08 | eraldo | how can I terminate it ? |
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| 17:05.44 | Snadder | How can I configure X11 from console? |
| 17:05.57 | Snadder | So I can change keyboard layout.. and screen resolution? |
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| 17:13.48 | enouf | Snadder: hrm, not sure, but you might be able to also try the openchrome video driver |
| 17:13.50 | dmoerner | Snadder, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. |
| 17:13.56 | enouf | Snadder: are you on etch? |
| 17:14.16 | enouf | !openchrome |
| 17:14.24 | enouf | grah |
| 17:14.44 | coll | whats the package for kldstat called? |
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| 17:15.10 | enouf | !tell coll -about search |
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| 17:16.59 | kanzure | Hey, has anyone ever seen a bash and pipelining implementation where programs have to specify the format of the parameters? |
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| 17:17.56 | jinjan | lol |
| 17:18.08 | jinjan | ñ |
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| 17:18.28 | jinjan | gringos copiones |
| 17:18.31 | enouf | !openchrome |
| 17:18.31 | dpkg | OpenChrome is a project for the development of free and open-source drivers for the VIA UniChrome video chipsets. Please see http://packages.debian.org/lenny/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome for a more detailed explanation. Only for Lenny and above, so far |
| 17:19.13 | coll | [13:16] <coll> dpkg -S /bin/kldstat |
| 17:19.13 | coll | [13:16] <dpkg> no idea |
| 17:19.31 | enouf | coll: dpkg on your system, not the bot |
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| 17:19.47 | enouf | !find bin/kldstat |
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| 17:20.20 | enouf | coll: you want apt-file -- see that part about the factoid |
| 17:20.34 | enouf | coll: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 17:21.02 | coll | enouf, apt-file search kldstat? |
| 17:21.12 | enouf | coll: sure, once you update it |
| 17:21.30 | coll | shows no results |
| 17:21.38 | jinjan | gringolandia |
| 17:21.44 | enouf | coll: i got the dpkgbot looking too |
| 17:22.54 | enouf | coll: is that a kde4 thing? |
| 17:23.24 | coll | kldstat is a command on freebsd to see what kernel modules are loaded |
| 17:23.29 | coll | kldload, etc. |
| 17:23.44 | coll | im just not sure whats the package name |
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| 17:24.14 | enouf | coll: well .. this isn't #freebsd :-P |
| 17:24.23 | enouf | coll: lsmod |
| 17:24.24 | zophy | who is the most powerful debian geek ? |
| 17:24.35 | jinjan | http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=gG_ORk3EFnU |
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| 17:26.13 | enouf | coll: to see all avail modules, modprobe -l | less .. might want to | grep <keyword> |
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| 17:26.30 | enouf | coll: lspci -k is helpful sometimes too |
| 17:26.34 | jinjan | http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=8sGwiWVhsv8 |
| 17:26.36 | coll | enouf, thanks |
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| 17:26.42 | enouf | jinjan: stop please |
| 17:27.09 | jinjan | ok |
| 17:27.13 | jinjan | stop |
| 17:27.33 | enouf | muchas gracias ;-) |
| 17:27.36 | simonrvn | this is a support channel, not spam your youtube links channel |
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| 17:31.21 | zophy | i think that youtube entities will be the building blocks of the next generation operating systems |
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| 17:31.56 | jinjan | ä¸å人 |
| 17:32.18 | anabain | why ln command wants absolute path in the source file specification? |
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| 17:32.24 | zophy | verily, youtube cvideos will become the basis for a new language commom to all mankind |
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| 17:33.06 | emma | hey this is weird. |
| 17:33.16 | emma | i did sudo apt-get install vlc |
| 17:33.22 | emma | and it is telling me i should install a cd |
| 17:33.24 | jinjan | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.14 | zophy | as voltran conquered the gorgone so shall it be |
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| 17:34.50 | JordiGH | I've got a PDF that crashes Okular, kpdf, evince, and pdf2djvu. |
| 17:35.02 | emma | i just commented someting out in my sources.list |
| 17:35.03 | JordiGH | evince and pdf2djvu complain of a floating point exception. |
| 17:35.06 | emma | maybe that will fix it |
| 17:35.15 | JordiGH | I'm guessing all of these share a library somewhere? |
| 17:35.28 | peppe | JordiGH: right, libpoppler |
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| 17:35.43 | JordiGH | peppe: Ah, I'll check its bts. |
| 17:36.01 | peppe | JordiGH: poppler.freedesktop.org |
| 17:36.25 | phlux | so I can't boot any kernel newer than .24 etchnhalf |
| 17:36.33 | phlux | I'm on lenny |
| 17:37.16 | enouf | JordiGH: try acroread? (not FOSS) |
| 17:37.25 | grendelson | I did an aptitude dist-upgrade (running etch and etch in sources) and now some applications refuse to start (OO, xine, mplayer ) mplayer and xine segfault and I've uninstallled and reinstalled... |
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| 17:37.36 | grendelson | Not sure what happened or how to check that the upgrades occured... |
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| 17:37.52 | enouf | JordiGH: there's things like flipsed you might toy with, how about pdftk (CLI) |
| 17:38.11 | JordiGH | enouf: flipsed? |
| 17:38.13 | grendelson | WHen I tried to remove and installa file it caused a large dependency list and I saw a large BROKEN list but I can't get that back again- How do I get aptitiude to show me what is broken? |
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| 17:38.26 | JordiGH | enouf: Acroread can bite my ass. :-) |
| 17:38.36 | enouf | JordiGH: sorry "flpsed" http://www.ecademix.com/JohannesHofmann/flpsed.html |
| 17:38.39 | grendelson | when I try to run aptitude upgrade again it produces no output and jsut goes back to cmd line... |
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| 17:38.59 | JordiGH | enouf: Does it still take about 30 seconds to load acrobat's reader? It did on Windows last time I saw it. |
| 17:39.03 | enouf | JordiGH: mine too ;-) but it's the one that blows away all others on my pII |
| 17:39.40 | JordiGH | enouf: I can read the PDF if I convert it to PS, but I'd rather figure out what's wrong with Poppler, if that's where the problem lies. |
| 17:39.45 | enouf | JordiGH: haha, not here - no splash either, if you don't want it |
| 17:39.54 | enouf | sure .. |
| 17:40.07 | enouf | JordiGH: or .. what's wrong with the PDF :-P |
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| 17:40.25 | JordiGH | enouf: No matter how wrong a pdf might be, it shouldn't crash the viewer. |
| 17:40.32 | enouf | haha |
| 17:40.43 | enouf | i mean .. bwahahaha! :-p |
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| 17:41.27 | JordiGH | Yeah, if we don't stop this sort of stuff right now, we'll be getting PDF viruses, which I think already exist. |
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| 17:42.53 | JordiGH | Oh, great. My Ubuntu-using friend is coming over for tech support. |
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| 17:43.09 | JordiGH | doesn't like Ubuntu, should he say this? |
| 17:43.29 | jinjan_ | اعادة غبÙ٠اذا Ùا٠اÙسÙد |
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| 17:43.57 | JordiGH | Er... |
| 17:43.58 | JordiGH | !ar |
| 17:43.59 | dpkg | hmm... ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina |
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| 17:44.59 | JordiGH | I guess we don't get enough speakers of Arabic here to tell them to go to an Arabic channel... |
| 17:45.05 | JordiGH | jinjan: English, please. |
| 17:45.21 | jinjan_ | spanish |
| 17:45.30 | jinjan_ | not |
| 17:45.32 | JordiGH | Spanish will do for me, but privately. |
| 17:45.37 | jinjan_ | ok |
| 17:45.44 | jinjan_ | not arabe |
| 17:45.57 | jinjan_ | yes english |
| 17:46.03 | jinjan_ | stop |
| 17:46.07 | jinjan_ | ok |
| 17:46.28 | jinjan_ | I stop |
| 17:46.34 | JordiGH | Wow, Google translation is full of fail for Arabic. |
| 17:46.44 | JordiGH | "re stupid if Mr." |
| 17:46.52 | JordiGH | That's how it translated what you said. |
| 17:46.55 | Run | It's full of fail for any language. |
| 17:46.59 | enouf | JordiGH: they're all busy working for the NSA and DHS |
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| 17:47.51 | nkuttler | jinjan_: there should be a spanish channel |
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| 17:47.58 | grendelson | After a recent dist-upgrade I can't get Open Office or xine or mplayer to start. How can I check on incomplete installs? |
| 17:48.28 | JordiGH | #debian-es |
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| 17:49.04 | enouf | jinjan_: maybe you want #defocus, and off-topic channels, do this in your client-> /msg alis list #*-es <-- lists all es (spanish) channels |
| 17:49.30 | enouf | jinjan_: and try #*.es <-- some are .es , not -es |
| 17:49.59 | JordiGH | wonders if jinjan_ is Moroccan. |
| 17:50.04 | enouf | grendelson: try dpkg -l | grep ^.h |
| 17:50.23 | enouf | grendelson: but also, might run aptitude {apt-get} install -f |
| 17:50.32 | grendelson | thanks I will |
| 17:50.42 | enouf | grendelson: could check /var/log/{aptitude,dpkg.log} |
| 17:51.04 | Run | If only it was so easy in real life. |
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| 17:52.26 | grendelson | The first dpkg commadn gave no output - but the second - WOW spit out a ton! |
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| 17:53.05 | Agiofws | Hello |
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| 17:53.29 | arlequin | hello |
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| 17:53.40 | arlequin | what do you use for record you screen ? |
| 17:53.46 | arlequin | *your |
| 17:54.21 | Run | arlequin: gtk-recordMyDesktop |
| 17:54.27 | enouf | aye |
| 17:54.35 | enouf | there's a smaller x one too |
| 17:54.41 | enouf | xvidcap? |
| 17:54.44 | Run | that always crashes |
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| 17:54.53 | arlequin | i am just asking what you use |
| 17:55.00 | enouf | oh well, i don't record my screen :-P |
| 17:55.13 | enouf | lets the NSA do that ;-) |
| 17:55.16 | Run | The package is called gtk-recordmydesktop |
| 17:55.19 | grendelson | enouf, There are a LOT of unrespolvable dependencies and a lot of broken packages... |
| 17:55.23 | minus198 | Hi there.. How do I know if a Daily Build of the Debian Sid netinstall is working? |
| 17:55.26 | enouf | grendelson: so fix them :-P |
| 17:55.36 | arlequin | apt-cache search gtk-recordmydesktop |
| 17:55.54 | enouf | !info gtk-recordmydesktop etch |
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| 17:56.01 | grendelson | openoffice.org-core: Depends: libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8-1) but it is not installable |
| 17:56.10 | grendelson | This is an example of a common error. |
| 17:56.20 | Run | minus198: Weird, now you mention it... I think that everyone that upgraded to Daily Build every day didn't show up today. |
| 17:56.25 | enouf | grendelson: you did a dist-upgrade from what to what and how? |
| 17:56.28 | grendelson | I'm not sure how to make the packages installable ... I have etch in my sources.list... |
| 17:56.34 | enouf | [13:54:49] [dpkg] Package 'gtk-recordmydesktop' does not exist. |
| 17:56.41 | grendelson | enouf, I did a dist-upgrade from etch to etch.... |
| 17:56.48 | enouf | grendelson: ... |
| 17:56.54 | Run | hikaru:~/videos>dpkg -S /usr/bin/gtk-recordMyDesktop |
| 17:56.56 | Run | gtk-recordmydesktop: /usr/bin/gtk-recordMyDesktop |
| 17:57.07 | enouf | grendelson: you have ONLY etch in your sources.list ? |
| 17:57.42 | grendelson | I had a # of thigns not working (burning dvds DL, Xwin wasn't surviving a reboot) when I did a dist-upgrade it reinstalle the current version of the kernel and the modules were corrected so those things worked. but now a LARGE # of apps have uninstallable dependencies .... |
| 17:57.55 | Run | enouf: 0.3.7.2-2 is in both, unstable and testing. |
| 17:58.07 | enouf | Run: i believe you, it's just not available in etch - unless it's a backport? |
| 17:58.12 | grendelson | enouf, I have individual sources for Wine or Marillat souces from other locations... |
| 17:58.13 | enouf | s/it's/there's |
| 17:58.29 | grendelson | I can paste in paster I reckon.... |
| 17:58.30 | coll | how would i reinstall mysqlserver? a clean, fresh install. previous dbs removed. |
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| 17:59.03 | enouf | grendelson: great - you get to keep all the pieces now ;-0 |
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| 17:59.36 | p98wgha | How do I permanently set the console keymap? |
| 17:59.45 | enouf | grendelson: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
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| 18:00.09 | enouf | p98wgha: etc/console/boottimekey.map.gz ? |
| 18:00.21 | enouf | something like that |
| 18:00.28 | enouf | !keymap |
| 18:00.29 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 18:00.31 | grendelson | http://paste.debian.net/16087 <-- here is the errors - I'll post sources.list |
| 18:00.34 | Run | *jealous at enouf's memory* |
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| 18:00.40 | enouf | heh |
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| 18:01.09 | grendelson | enouf, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 18:01.16 | enouf | grendelson: ok |
| 18:01.23 | p98wgha | enouf: thaks |
| 18:01.25 | p98wgha | *n |
| 18:01.52 | enouf | grendelson: dude, that's a LOT O_o |
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| 18:02.39 | grendelson | enouf, http://paste.debian.net/16088 <-- Here is my sources.list |
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| 18:03.09 | grendelson | enouf, I'm guessing there is a common root somewhere but I'm hoping it will be obvious to someon who doens't have a bunch of broken stuff they are looking at :-) |
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| 18:03.23 | enouf | grendelson: Whooops==> 27. deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sid main 28. deb-src http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sid main |
| 18:03.45 | enouf | it's pretty damned obvious :-P |
| 18:04.06 | enouf | double whoops => 31. deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/ dapper main #WINE 32. deb-src http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/ dapper main #WINE |
| 18:04.29 | enouf | !break grendelson |
| 18:04.30 | dpkg | tells grendelson how to replace stable with unstable in his sources.list |
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| 18:04.51 | grendelson | enouf, I thought those sources ONLY upgraded things like Wine and mplayer etc... |
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| 18:05.09 | enouf | you thought wrong ;-) |
| 18:05.11 | grendelson | so it appears that the libs are unstable and bins stable or vice-versa? |
| 18:05.22 | enouf | bingo |
| 18:05.57 | enouf | any 'sid' pkg will require newer other libs + whatever - the dapper stuff? don't even go there :-P |
| 18:06.29 | grendelson | enouf, OK so replace dapper wine source with debian approved wine source and marrilatt stuff requires unstable? |
| 18:06.49 | enouf | grendelson: i have no idea what videolans sid's repos pulled in |
| 18:06.51 | grendelson | is it possible to get to stable all around and still get good audio-video sources or do I ahve to switch to testing at least to use marillat sources? |
| 18:07.04 | grendelson | I use hteis box mostly to watch movies and stuff.... |
| 18:07.14 | enouf | your best chance is to atleast upgrade to testing/lenny |
| 18:07.20 | grendelson | Ah fair enough... |
| 18:07.31 | Snadder | Hi.. im trying to get my VIA Technologies wireless network card to work.. on kernel 2.6.4/lenny.. installed b43-fwcutter-011.tar.bz2 and broadcom-wl-4.80.53.0.tar.bz2 .. I manage to scan for a wireless network but when im trying to connect dmesg says: "wlan0: Initial auth_alg=0" and "wlan0: authenication with 00:17:9a:4e:3d:a5 timed out" |
| 18:07.44 | grendelson | I used to run testing across the board - but felt I "should" run stable... |
| 18:07.50 | enouf | grendelson: how about you learn about how to use your sources.list entries too ;-) |
| 18:08.02 | enouf | !reference |
| 18:08.02 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'aptitude install debian-reference'. |
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| 18:08.37 | grendelson | enouf, Fair enouf - I thought my sources were workign OK since they've been like that a long time. I didn't realize they had gone so far astray - in fact I may have had etch in there since it was testing itself.... |
| 18:08.40 | Snadder | Trying to connect with iwconfig wlan0 ESSID dlink |
| 18:08.50 | enouf | grendelson: if and when you run Etch - and you must have newer software pkg, you either a) use backports.org, or b) backport it yourself |
| 18:09.00 | enouf | or you use pinning - but that's a bit rough |
| 18:09.05 | arlequin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.14 | arlequin | can you test if you can find the paquet plz? |
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| 18:09.27 | grendelson | enouf, I do pin pan but that's the only application I've ever tried it on... |
| 18:09.31 | enouf | arlequin: paquet == package ;-) |
| 18:09.34 | grendelson | thanks - at least I know where to look.... |
| 18:09.36 | Snadder | Anyone have a tip to why I get the "timed out" message.. have I installed the ritht driver?.. I got told to install this one?: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware |
| 18:09.46 | enouf | arlequin: are you on Etch? cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:09.47 | arlequin | enouf, yes |
| 18:09.56 | arlequin | enouf, yes i am ethc |
| 18:10.00 | grendelson | I'll try to change source to testing and try again - if it fails 've been thinking of reinstalling this box anyway :-) |
| 18:10.02 | arlequin | etch* |
| 18:10.11 | enouf | arlequin: /msg dpkg backports.org |
| 18:10.40 | arlequin | enouf, ? |
| 18:10.47 | enouf | arlequin: if it's not available there - then you have to try something else - or you would need to upgrade to lenny (last resort) |
| 18:11.00 | enouf | !tell arlequin about selftell |
| 18:11.06 | enouf | !tell arlequin about backports.org |
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| 18:11.17 | arlequin | enouf, i am stupid to stay on etch version? |
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| 18:11.25 | arlequin | etch main |
| 18:11.26 | enouf | arlequin: no |
| 18:11.36 | enouf | !tell arlequin about contrib |
| 18:11.41 | enouf | !tell arlequin about non-free |
| 18:11.59 | enouf | arlequin: /msg dpkg grounding ;-) |
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| 18:13.46 | tchunz | anyone working with support from USA? |
| 18:14.08 | Snadder | Anyone know how to set up a wireless network? |
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| 18:18.59 | enouf | tchunz: sorry? |
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| 18:19.39 | labbz | hello, why would i get error 18 while booting debian lenny? |
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| 18:19.50 | enouf | labbz: that's a grub error |
| 18:19.51 | littleendian | I have dist-upgraded to lenny and now ssh refuses to send my blacklisted RSA key, which I need to access my server (key-only). I put PermitBlacklistedKeys into sshd_config, but it still refuses. what can I do? |
| 18:20.01 | labbz | enouf, indeed ! |
| 18:20.14 | labbz | enouf so no support here for grub ? |
| 18:20.27 | enouf | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Stage2-errors.html |
| 18:20.44 | pozic | How can I see what file name program X is writing to? |
| 18:20.54 | pozic | I tried lsof | grep X already. |
| 18:21.12 | NeoIce | so wpa_supplicant says my passphrase is too short, but I'm 99% sure that its the pass I enter on OSX / windows |
| 18:21.28 | enouf | labbz: so .. your HDD is too big for your BIOS? .. i installed a 80GB HDD onto a p1, but had to use it's jumper limiters to make it appear as 32GB |
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| 18:21.55 | JordiGH | Have you guys actually looked up what error 18 is? |
| 18:22.04 | labbz | enouf: i haven't rebooted since i installed lenny, it was basically etch. It's a 120GB ide HDD |
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| 18:22.51 | enouf | labbz: what CPU? and arch? |
| 18:23.41 | labbz | enouf: Intel Pentium 4, 3Ghz, 768MB ram, DELL mainboard |
| 18:23.49 | enouf | labbz: at a guess, i would say ensure your BIOS is set to use LBA .. oh, ok |
| 18:23.55 | enouf | that's new enough |
| 18:24.17 | enouf | labbz: you say you haven't rebooted? how did you get that error? :-P |
| 18:24.37 | labbz | I didn't have problem at all before today, when i nothing was working in debian, so i did a reboot to "hopefully fix" but now i got this error |
| 18:24.45 | enouf | that's /plenty/ new enough even |
| 18:25.21 | labbz | su/sudo, apt-get, ifconfig etc. was not working ! that's the reason for the reboot |
| 18:25.38 | Agiofws | can someone please tell me if firefox stores your book marks in some other location apart from your home folder caus eth fucken thing overwrote all my book marks ? |
| 18:25.40 | enouf | labbz: maybe your HDD is dying? |
| 18:25.50 | labbz | enouf: hope not :-/ |
| 18:25.51 | enouf | labbz: do you have other HDDs in system? |
| 18:26.10 | enouf | labbz: could be anything at this point, maybe even bad ram |
| 18:26.11 | labbz | enouf: no, i have them in the rack, but not connected |
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| 18:26.34 | labbz | i installed 512mb extra for 1month ago, was working well until now |
| 18:27.02 | enouf | labbz: might want to try and boot the Debian install Cd into rescue mode and reinstall grub |
| 18:27.06 | enouf | !rescue mode |
| 18:27.06 | dpkg | Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 18:27.28 | labbz | enouf: will that work with the netinstaller too? |
| 18:27.53 | enouf | labbz: sure, IINM |
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| 18:28.11 | enouf | labbz: also, boot into memetest86+ option from CD (press F1-F10 for more) |
| 18:28.31 | labbz | enouf: i think the hdd is dying. got "Fail" in IDE Drive Diagnostics in bios :/ |
| 18:28.57 | enouf | labbz: then eventually, check your HDD, use your HDD's Manufacturer's Tools/Utils .. or if you can boot, try smartmontools even |
| 18:29.06 | enouf | labbz: ouch - check cables too |
| 18:29.11 | enouf | all connections |
| 18:29.18 | labbz | ok, i will |
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| 18:31.21 | littleendian | okay, for the record, replacing blacklist.RSA-4096 (in my case of an RSA 4096 bit key) with an empty file did the trick. this is only a temporary work-around |
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| 18:36.40 | grendelson | enouf, Thanks for the assistance, I'm slowly recollecting how I ended up with the sources.list I did ... I was pinning a single app and had sources from different versions - SHeesh! Now to figure out if I can DOWNgrade back to stable and "start over" so to speak... |
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| 18:37.19 | enouf | grendelson: /msg dpkg downgrade (and don't expect much ;-)) |
| 18:37.35 | grendelson | enouf, Thanks |
| 18:38.01 | enouf | grendelson: nothing wrong with lenny - i mean, it's going to be the new stable ... "soon" ;-) |
| 18:38.13 | grendelson | oohhh Not so good - perhaps going back to testing MAY be the only way to save this :-) |
| 18:38.22 | enouf | !ding |
| 18:38.22 | dpkg | ding is, like, a dictionary, http://www.freshmeat.net/projects/ding/ |
| 18:38.30 | enouf | heh |
| 18:38.33 | grendelson | Lenny it't the "new stable" that sounds so Fashion Channel :-) |
| 18:39.00 | enouf | Full Frontal Fashoin? |
| 18:39.03 | enouf | :-p |
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| 18:43.37 | Snadder | What driver do I need to get the wireless network card "Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [Airforce one 54G] working? |
| 18:44.03 | Orbixx | bcfwcutter rings a bell |
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| 18:44.45 | JordiGH | Can checkinstall be used with Cmake? |
| 18:44.55 | enouf | Snadder: etch? |
| 18:45.03 | Orbixx | Snadder: bcm43xx-fwcutter |
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| 18:45.51 | enouf | !listkeys bcm43xx |
| 18:45.53 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'bcm43xx' by key (5): bcm43xx-fwcutter ;; bcm43xx-fwcutter etch ;; bcm43xx-fwcutter etch_r2 ;; bcm43xx ;; bcm43xx firmware. |
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| 18:46.25 | enouf | wtf is _r2? |
| 18:46.28 | Snadder | enouf: lenny |
| 18:46.50 | Snadder | Lenny beta2 |
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| 18:47.21 | tchunz | [enouf]: I'm a brazillian, and I'm searching for USA workers.. I would like to meet some people from there to know how good is work there and so on |
| 18:47.31 | Snadder | enouf: tried to install b43-fwcutter-011.tar.bz2 |
| 18:48.39 | Snadder | enouf: managed to scan for a wireless network.. but when im trying to set it up I get: "wlan0: Initial auth_alg=0" and "wlan0: authenication with 00:17:9a:4e:3d:a5 timed out" |
| 18:48.41 | tchunz | I'm degrees student, and want to do a trainee there |
| 18:48.51 | tchunz | or something like this |
| 18:49.08 | tchunz | have someone from usa here? |
| 18:49.10 | tchunz | (= |
| 18:49.14 | enouf | Snadder: i'm not personally good with wifi - but you should follow the dpkgbot factoid advice |
| 18:49.47 | Snadder | enouf: I dont understand the advice.. |
| 18:50.01 | enouf | tchunz: that's fine - and i wish you well - however , see #defocus or similar |
| 18:50.02 | Snadder | Just search for it?.. Where? |
| 18:50.28 | labbz | http://pastebin.com/d20c20761 I got this while trying to do rescue mode from Debian netinstall ? |
| 18:50.35 | tchunz | Snadder have you googled it? |
| 18:50.36 | enouf | tchunz: if your specifically interested in Debian - see #debian-offtopic |
| 18:50.48 | tchunz | http://intellinuxwireless.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1207 |
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| 18:51.02 | tchunz | enouf tkz man =- |
| 18:51.14 | Snadder | !listkeys bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 18:51.15 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' by key (3): bcm43xx-fwcutter ;; bcm43xx-fwcutter etch ;; bcm43xx-fwcutter etch_r2. |
| 18:51.32 | Snadder | How does this work? |
| 18:51.48 | enouf | tchunz: see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml for general info about how to best use teh network - also see #freenode |
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| 18:52.18 | enouf | tchunz: there are plenty of "*-br" (brazilian) oriented channels here |
| 18:52.20 | tchunz | [enouf]: ok, i will |
| 18:52.36 | enouf | Snadder: /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 18:52.39 | foug] | do i add "export PATH=$PATH:/sbin" to my .bashrc or .bash_profile? |
| 18:53.12 | tchunz | enouf yes, I know, I've never been to #debian-br, and I'm banned! really stranged. |
| 18:54.13 | enouf | foug]: ya know, i used to use sudo(which is silly) to do that ifconfig and modprobe nonsense, and i use my ~/.bashrc for just what you describe - but i'm thinking ~/.bash_profile might be better |
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| 18:54.35 | asg | foug]: it depends on when you expect that to be available. man bash and search for INVOCATION. |
| 18:54.47 | foug] | enouf: hmm, allright |
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| 18:55.02 | maligor | Invocation is such a sinister term |
| 18:55.04 | enouf | asg: like me, i saw foug] yesterday ask about ifconfig specifically |
| 18:55.28 | enouf | so, one doesn't always need to /sbin/ifconfig -- or maybe an alias is better here? |
| 18:55.51 | foug] | enouf: i can throw it anywhere in bash_profile, right? |
| 18:56.04 | foug] | or do i need it in between "if" and "fi" |
| 18:56.24 | enouf | foug]: no if;fi needed, no |
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| 18:56.50 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 18:56.59 | et | path manipulations make more sense in .bashrc, i'd say |
| 18:57.25 | uzbek | my external harddisk stopped automatically mounting. how can i fix it? |
| 18:57.30 | enouf | foug]: if it's one or two commands bugging you - you could try "alias ifconfig='/sbin/ifconfig' |
| 18:57.35 | foug] | argh, it still tells me "ifconfig command not found" after i restart bash |
| 18:57.36 | NeoIce | I think I broke my apt keys, whats the best way to fix it? |
| 18:57.51 | enouf | foug]: "alias ifconfig='/sbin/ifconfig'" <-- remove the two " " |
| 18:57.58 | foug] | allright |
| 18:58.22 | foug] | well there are other commands in /sbin too that are probably useful to run as a regular user right? |
| 18:58.27 | enouf | foug]: 'source .bashrc' ? or 'source .bash_profile' ? |
| 18:58.45 | foug] | bash_profile |
| 18:58.47 | enouf | foug]: me too - i've added all the /sbin s to my PATH |
| 18:59.01 | foug] | there's allready PATH=~bin:"$[PATH]" |
| 18:59.05 | enouf | foug]: logout your user for .bash_login |
| 18:59.19 | foug] | should i add something to that? |
| 18:59.20 | foug] | allright |
| 18:59.28 | enouf | foug]: that's to have your ~/bin used, where you throw your own scripts into |
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| 19:00.23 | foug] | woo hoo, it works after logging out |
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| 19:01.13 | et | foug]: you sure it's ~bin? |
| 19:01.27 | foug] | et: well, yea, it was allready there after installing o.O |
| 19:02.01 | et | foug]: my question is ~bin vs. ~/bin |
| 19:02.19 | foug] | oh yea, it's ~/bin |
| 19:02.20 | et | second makes sense, the first does not in bash (afaik) |
| 19:02.20 | foug] | ;P |
| 19:02.20 | enouf | aye ... i saw that too et |
| 19:02.26 | grendelson | enouf, I think i found a way to get to stabilize on testing (strange use of the words I know) and i recall my whole pinning experiment started when I didn't want PAN upgraded back in sarge or etch becasue it moved the config files and I lost my settings and saved newsgroups :-(... Now I seem to have all kinds of distro issues... but I MIGHT be able to get it realtively flat on testing and I removed all the references to non testi |
| 19:02.27 | grendelson | ng sources (wine, multimedia etc) |
| 19:02.42 | et | (it can make sense in zsh, but zsh settings in bash would be odd) |
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| 19:03.02 | enouf | grendelson: indeed - remove your pinning nonsense ;-) |
| 19:03.29 | enouf | grendelson: if you want certain versions only see /msg dpkg hold |
| 19:04.10 | grendelson | enouf, That seems a lot more straightforward.... |
| 19:04.36 | uzbek | my usb device isn't working. can anyone suggest any diagnostic steps? |
| 19:04.39 | arlequin | how can i know my ip on a debian system |
| 19:04.41 | arlequin | ? |
| 19:04.49 | arlequin | with just user privilege |
| 19:04.55 | enouf | grendelson: also check out the BTS and maybe install and use apt-listchanges |
| 19:05.00 | enouf | like i do |
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| 19:05.21 | grendelson | uzbek, run lsusb when you plug it in , also you can tail -f /var/log/messages and see what happens when you plug the device in.... |
| 19:05.32 | enouf | arlequin: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 19:06.05 | dudeman | hola |
| 19:06.26 | enouf | dudeman: dude |
| 19:06.54 | dudeman | man |
| 19:07.06 | enouf | grendelson: dmm is ok, just do it correctly ;-) |
| 19:07.17 | tchunz | whois tchunz |
| 19:07.20 | tchunz | ops =x |
| 19:07.24 | enouf | heh |
| 19:07.48 | grendelson | enouf, dmm ? |
| 19:08.03 | enouf | grendelson: multimedia |
| 19:08.08 | enouf | grendelson: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 19:08.10 | grendelson | ahh ok |
| 19:08.15 | grendelson | debian multimedia |
| 19:08.17 | grendelson | got it |
| 19:08.25 | foug] | does anyone know of a really in depth guide for creating a web server, with support for PHP and SSL, and whatever else I'd need to manage a blog, server stats, and what not? |
| 19:09.00 | enouf | goes out for awhile |
| 19:09.06 | foug] | later enouf |
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| 19:10.03 | uzbek | grendelson, thax |
| 19:10.10 | uzbek | thanx* |
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| 19:11.51 | JordiGH | Hrm. What can I do to tell my router what my domain name is? |
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| 19:12.14 | JordiGH | My friend's Ubuntu machine reports its domain name in a way that my router understands? |
| 19:12.19 | JordiGH | Er, not a question. |
| 19:12.33 | et | define "understands" |
| 19:13.06 | JordiGH | et: The router shows my friend's router when I go into its web admin page, but shows my IP address instead. |
| 19:13.13 | JordiGH | Er, shows my friend's domain name. |
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| 19:14.33 | JordiGH | cd /etc/ |
| 19:14.34 | JordiGH | ls |
| 19:14.38 | JordiGH | Er.. |
| 19:14.51 | et | you're still making no sense to me |
| 19:15.31 | et | do you mean that the router can't reverse-lookup your ip? |
| 19:15.48 | JordiGH | The router isn't assigning a domain to my machine, but assigns it to my friend's. |
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| 19:16.16 | xmb_ | you mean a reverse lookup , or u dont want a 192.* ip |
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| 19:16.41 | JordiGH | checks /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 19:17.18 | JordiGH | Aha. send host-name is commented out. Why? |
| 19:18.18 | asg | JordiGH: because that's the default |
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| 19:18.54 | JordiGH | Isn't that a stupid default? It's commented out with upstream's machine name, apparently. |
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| 19:19.22 | asg | JordiGH: because it's irrelevant in most setups. If yours is special, feel free to uncomment it. |
| 19:19.24 | et | because it's irrelevant? |
| 19:19.52 | et | the common thing, that your machine gets its hostname from dhcp, is enabled in the standard setup |
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| 19:21.23 | JordiGH | That's the common thing? I've never been able to refer to other Debian machines connected on dhcp by their hostnames! |
| 19:21.42 | JordiGH | I've always had to look up their ip addresses. I don't know of any routers that assign hostnames by default. |
| 19:22.18 | foug] | before i begin installing apache2 are there any other packages I need for a web server? I only did the most basic installation of debian |
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| 19:23.24 | et | JordiGH: you mean that your router lets you resolve the hostname that your friends computer has in its dhclient.conf to its ip? |
| 19:23.26 | asg | JordiGH: the common thing is that most people never have to care. If that's what you really want, then, zeroconf (multicast dns) is what you need. |
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| 19:23.46 | et | that looks like a pretty big security hole |
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| 19:24.20 | JordiGH | et: Yes, and why is that a security hole, to have a hostname instead of an ip? |
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| 19:25.25 | et | because you allow machines on your network to fake hostnames? |
| 19:25.47 | et | act as your banks' server, as your email provider ... |
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| 19:27.21 | pipeline | et: you do not appear to understand how DNS works :X |
| 19:28.22 | et | pipeline: jordi said he wants his router, which is probably acting as his nameserver too, to resolve domain names supplied by clients to their ips |
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| 19:28.37 | foug] | ok question, just installed apache2 and apache2-mpm-prefork. To make it works, this guide says to go to "http://yourip/apache2-default" I'm installing apache2 on an old computer with no gui, how can i view this page from my desktop" |
| 19:29.02 | pipeline | et: that's not a problem; dynamic dns explicitly roots things in a particular place in the tre :P |
| 19:29.27 | foug] | ok nevermind, it seems i have to use the private IP address of the computer and not my actual IP, hmm, interesting o.O |
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| 19:29.58 | labbz | foug] you could use lynx if that is an option. |
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| 19:30.09 | foug] | labbz: good call |
| 19:30.36 | foug] | labbz: nope, dn't think lynx is installed ;P what's the other one..linx? |
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| 19:30.50 | et | pipeline: in that case, why is there a fqdn in the config? |
| 19:30.52 | labbz | lynx is the text-based webbrowser |
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| 19:32.38 | foug] | ok, this guide wants me to run the script "apache2-ssl-certificate" but i get the error "command not found" any suggesstions? |
| 19:32.39 | JordiGH | et: Tell me why it's a security hole to send my hostname? |
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| 19:33.07 | JordiGH | "Listen everyone! This MAC address is called 'Iris'! Spread the word!" |
| 19:33.12 | JordiGH | What's the security problem? |
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| 19:33.36 | scgtrp | is there any way to do a netinstall over wireless? i've read that my card works well with ndiswrapper, but i currently have gentoo on this computer compiled with no wireless support at all, so it's as good a reason as any to go ahead and switch :) |
| 19:34.19 | JordiGH | scgtrp: There was talk of that happening, in a separate installation CD. I think it's already working. Go look it up. |
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| 19:34.39 | JordiGH | scgtrp: The problem is that Debian can't distribute certain wireless firmware, I think. |
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| 19:34.49 | pipeline | et: zeroconf isn't the same as dyndns |
| 19:34.56 | pipeline | et: and I suppose you could be a moron about dyndns |
| 19:35.04 | NeoIce | and ndiswrapper can be flaky, so you might want an internet connection to google problems |
| 19:35.07 | scgtrp | what's it called? i've been googling every permutation of "debian wireless netinstall" i can think of |
| 19:36.20 | JordiGH | There was the name of a prominent DD attached to the project... |
| 19:37.21 | NeoIce | ok seriously, how can I get my delete key to work in screen? |
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| 19:41.26 | scgtrp | JordiGH, what's the url to that? i can't seem to find anything but a bunch of people saying to use ubuntu instead, which i refuse to do for personal reasons |
| 19:41.54 | JordiGH | scgtrp: I *thought* there was something. I can't find it either, but I swear there was something. |
| 19:41.59 | JordiGH | Maybe dpkg knows... |
| 19:42.01 | JordiGH | !wireless |
| 19:42.01 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 19:42.16 | scgtrp | it's an atheros chipset |
| 19:42.51 | scgtrp | and that link didn't help much |
| 19:43.03 | JordiGH | scgtrp: Yeah, madwifi then, non-free, but I am sure I read something about a suggestion, not sure if it was actually done yet, to allow people to install over wireless. |
| 19:43.28 | dudeman | chicken lo mein |
| 19:43.31 | dudeman | its good |
| 19:43.48 | scgtrp | i've read it works well with ndiswrapper, but i understand that requires an inf file, which i can't find any of on my wireless adapter's cd... |
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| 19:44.22 | scgtrp | dpkg, tell scgtrp about wlan howto |
| 19:44.25 | JordiGH | scgtrp: Wouldn't it be better to use madwifi? |
| 19:44.38 | scgtrp | i have no idea, this is my first wireless computer |
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| 19:45.03 | JordiGH | scgtrp: Aw, and you bought Atheros? :-/ |
| 19:45.18 | scgtrp | JordiGH, it's a netgear. i *think* it's atheros... |
| 19:45.32 | dustybin | if a file is inside /file does that mean its on the / partition? |
| 19:45.39 | JordiGH | scgtrp: Intel's are pretty nice, almost free, no blobs in kernelspace. |
| 19:45.51 | scgtrp | JordiGH, already bought one, too late for that :) |
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| 19:46.06 | JordiGH | scgtrp: Yeah, I'm very careful when I buy hardware. |
| 19:46.11 | icwiener | Hi, I have a problem with the lenny installation in virtualbox. the resolution of X is always to big for my notebook monitor, so I cannot see the whole screen. In KDE, GNOME etc it is not possible to modify the resolution. How do I change it? I mean, I could do it in the xorg.conf file but I suspect another way to do that. Any hints? |
| 19:46.28 | scgtrp | JordiGH, i got some recommendations from a friend who uses wireless, and then completely forgot them... |
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| 19:47.26 | scgtrp | JordiGH, maybe not atheros after all. no idea what it is though |
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| 19:48.43 | scgtrp | JordiGH, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=333355 mentions an atheros driver, i think |
| 19:48.54 | JordiGH | scgtrp: I can't find it, but I swear it exists somewhere, associated to a prominent DD. I thought it was Christian Perrier or something. |
| 19:49.28 | scgtrp | hm. is there a minimal install cd that gives me a base system, plus wireless-tools? |
| 19:49.44 | JordiGH | Don't think so... maybe a cdd. |
| 19:49.46 | scgtrp | (or even just a base system, i can download the .deb for wireless-tools later) |
| 19:50.16 | JordiGH | You can install just what's in the netinstall and then try to get the wireless working, but that may be quite a challenge. |
| 19:50.29 | JordiGH | It might be easier to just find a cable and plug it in while you're installing. :-/ |
| 19:51.15 | scgtrp | easier, yes, but not nearly as much fun :) |
| 19:51.21 | scgtrp | (that, and i don't even know if they make cables this long) |
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| 19:53.16 | RRH | hi everyone! |
| 19:53.28 | JordiGH | scgtrp: Yeah, I can't find it. Sorry. But it exists. Ask someone else. A DD mentioned it; I think he was French. |
| 19:53.54 | RRH | I have one questin: when will be KDE 4.1 available on Debian SID? |
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| 19:54.15 | icwiener | Shortly after the release of Lenny. |
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| 19:54.39 | RRH | ok, thanks |
| 19:54.40 | NeoIce | is there a reason I might suddently start getting non-authenticated package errors? |
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| 19:56.21 | foug] | https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/apache2/+bug/77675/comments/47 i just followed these instructions to enable SSL, but i made a typo and did not notice until I tried to restart apache2, how can i go back and correct the typo? I made a typo in the command "sudo sed -i "3a\\\tSSLEngine On\n\tSSLCertificateFile /etc/ssl/private/localhost.pem" ssl" |
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| 19:56.50 | RRH | icwwiener:ehh, sorry, but when will be Lenny launched? |
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| 19:57.10 | RRH | *icwiener |
| 19:57.40 | tax0n_ | hi folks |
| 19:58.07 | icwiener | RRH: It is planned for september october? Don't know the exact daet... but it might be later. |
| 19:58.35 | RRH | thanks and bye! |
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| 20:00.50 | tax0n_ | I'm hoping to build a standalone ADSL router/DMZbox out of an old PC. Has anyone done this and can recommend a particular ADSL PCI Modem that works well with Debian? |
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| 20:02.19 | luke-jr | How can I determine the Debian version a .deb wants? |
| 20:02.25 | foug] | anyone? ;_; |
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| 20:03.53 | Lagbolt | luke-jr, wants? to be installed? |
| 20:04.01 | luke-jr | yes |
| 20:04.01 | Lagbolt | luke-jr, apt-cache policy package-name |
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| 20:04.12 | luke-jr | Lagbolt: without installing it |
| 20:04.14 | Lagbolt | yeah |
| 20:04.17 | Lagbolt | thats without installing |
| 20:04.33 | Lagbolt | it shows what is installed and what it will install or what is availableif you have multiple sources |
| 20:04.41 | Lagbolt | make sure apt-get update before to get most recent info |
| 20:04.45 | luke-jr | I don't have any sources or apt |
| 20:04.47 | luke-jr | just .deb files |
| 20:04.53 | Lagbolt | no apt? |
| 20:04.55 | rooteee | What should I change the entry in /etc/shadow to to create a blank passwd |
| 20:05.04 | luke-jr | Lagbolt: I'm using Gentoo |
| 20:05.15 | Lagbolt | um so what are you trying to do? |
| 20:05.25 | Lagbolt | you can go to packages.debian.org and search there if you like |
| 20:05.26 | luke-jr | determine the version of Debian the file is for |
| 20:05.33 | luke-jr | I have a lot of these files |
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| 20:05.44 | luke-jr | 164 to be exact |
| 20:06.09 | luke-jr | so I want to script it |
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| 20:06.43 | tax0n_ | if this helps, luke-jr .deb files are bsd 'ar' archives |
| 20:06.51 | rooteee | specifically, what should I do with the bit between the two $$ which specify the algorithm |
| 20:06.55 | luke-jr | tax0n_: I thought they were tar.gz format |
| 20:06.58 | NeoIce | how come theres not a digest version of debian-devel-changes? |
| 20:07.09 | tax0n_ | use 'ar' to decompress them and look at the plaintext manifests |
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| 20:07.43 | tax0n_ | luke-jr, 'ar' first, tar later ( |
| 20:07.50 | luke-jr | dpkg -I gets me some info, but not Debian version |
| 20:07.50 | dpkg | installs gets me some info, but not Debian version into luke-jr's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 20:08.03 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 20:08.32 | foug] | how do i navigate to my slave drive in command line? |
| 20:09.03 | luke-jr | foug]: depends on where you mounted it |
| 20:09.08 | tax0n_ | foug], is it mounted? |
| 20:09.16 | foug] | when i run df, it's listed as /dev/hdd5 |
| 20:09.17 | tax0n_ | you need to mount your slave first |
| 20:09.23 | tax0n_ | sniggers |
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| 20:09.35 | foug] | it seems to be mounted, when i run mount it shows /dev/hdd5 on /home |
| 20:09.44 | luke-jr | foug]: then cd /home |
| 20:10.03 | foug] | yea but this is confusing, shouldn't i have a home on my master drive as well? or no? |
| 20:10.14 | luke-jr | foug]: probably empty |
| 20:10.24 | foug] | interesting |
| 20:10.25 | luke-jr | but mount hides the original contents |
| 20:10.38 | Trewas | luke-jr: debian packages do not directly tell for which debian version they are, guessing based on the version of the package or its dependencies is probably the most direct way |
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| 20:12.37 | foug] | luke-jr: i have i have //home/foug /home/foug |
| 20:12.38 | foug] | hmm |
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| 20:14.20 | octoserver | if i want to purge all of the nvidia stuff, do i just type.... aptitude purge nvidia-glx ? |
| 20:14.33 | octoserver | or are there more i need to purge? |
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| 20:16.45 | Lagbolt | octoserver, you need to get rid of the kernel driver too. glx is just xorg |
| 20:16.54 | Lagbolt | octoserver, dpkg -l | grep nvidia |
| 20:17.10 | Lagbolt | that should show you the other packages you have installed, like nvidia-kernel-source etc |
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| 20:21.36 | octoserver | Lagbolt: thanks |
| 20:21.52 | octoserver | Lagbolt: should i be using apt-get, or aptitude ? |
| 20:22.51 | luke-jr | Trewas: how does packages.debian.org tell? |
| 20:22.58 | luke-jr | octoserver: aptitude |
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| 20:23.07 | luke-jr | for everything |
| 20:23.49 | octoserver | luke-jr: k thanks, do you mind if i ask why? |
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| 20:24.09 | intx | is /bin/egrep supposed to be a perl script? I think I might've been rooted :p |
| 20:24.11 | luke-jr | octoserver: aptitude supports dependencies properly |
| 20:24.24 | intx | or /usr/sbin/adduser? |
| 20:24.28 | Trewas | luke-jr: it knows which packages are currently in which releases, so it doesn't have to tell :) |
| 20:24.37 | luke-jr | Trewas: how? |
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| 20:25.56 | Trewas | luke-jr: there are Packages.gz files in every mirror |
| 20:26.17 | luke-jr | where? |
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| 20:26.41 | octoserver | luke-jr: thanks, for helping, I appreciate it. |
| 20:26.51 | Trewas | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz as an example |
| 20:27.02 | luke-jr | ah |
| 20:27.03 | luke-jr | thanks |
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| 20:27.48 | intx | how do I find all files modified after a certain date? thanks |
| 20:29.26 | Tramp | intx: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/UsingFind |
| 20:29.54 | luke-jr | any place to get obsolete Debian packages? |
| 20:30.07 | Tramp | intx: it's (3) "searching based on times" |
| 20:31.11 | intx | Tr0gd0r: thanks |
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| 20:32.23 | intx | Tramp: thanks |
| 20:32.36 | Tramp | yw |
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| 20:35.31 | tlmiller | luke-jr, http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
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| 20:42.25 | drwahl | i just installed a 2nd video card (1st card: nvidia 9800, 2nd card: nvidia 7900) in my machine. the first card has 2 monitors hooked up to it and works wonderfully. i have 1 monitor hooked up to my 2nd card, but i'm not sure where to begin with configuring my xorg file. is anyone able to give me some pointers? |
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| 20:45.41 | tlmiller | drwahl, http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/howto/Set+Up+Dual+Monitors+-+xorg.conf |
| 20:45.48 | wols | drwahl: you add entries for the 2nd card, that'S all. this time you will need BusID, for both |
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| 20:48.44 | drwahl | wols: any idea how twinview works when thrown into the mix? |
| 20:49.07 | drwahl | tlmiller: checking the link right now, thanks |
| 20:49.12 | olejorgenb | anyone else having trouble with wacom tablets? |
| 20:49.19 | olejorgenb | newest xorg in testing |
| 20:50.24 | wols | !tell olejorgenb about anyone |
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| 20:51.48 | octoserver | wooooo hoooooooo |
| 20:51.53 | octoserver | debian rocks |
| 20:51.54 | olejorgenb | ok :) After some upgrade my wacom tablet pc stopped reporting "non-core" events |
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| 20:53.04 | olejorgenb | it moves the cursor, but I do not get the high resolution output |
| 20:53.04 | octoserver | i have removed and installed and messed with so much stuff most distros would have been murdered |
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| 20:53.04 | olejorgenb | I guess it's not an easy way to downgrade my xorg? |
| 20:53.05 | octoserver | I finally figured out why my nvidia woulnd work after reboot |
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| 20:53.23 | octoserver | i forgot to purge to old stuff(dont laugh) |
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| 20:53.24 | dudeman | octoserver, newer kernel? |
| 20:53.40 | octoserver | purge ^the old stuff |
| 20:53.46 | dudeman | what does that mean? |
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| 20:54.23 | foug] | hmm, how do i mount my slave drive? |
| 20:54.27 | octoserver | the old nvidia-glx, and everything else left over from etch was messing up my nvidia install |
| 20:55.05 | octoserver | i had to aptitude purge all-of-it |
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| 20:56.07 | octoserver | linux is more fun when you finally figure out what you were doing wrong |
| 20:56.39 | foug] | hmm, will i have to add my slave drive to my fstab? |
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| 21:01.10 | foug] | i reinstalled debian, i have two home directory's but my slave drive is not mounted, i have /home and //home, why is this? |
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| 21:02.02 | wols | foug]: //home is kinda unpossible. "mount" |
| 21:02.26 | foug] | eh? |
| 21:03.40 | foug] | well before i had thought that one of the /home belonged to the slave drive, but now that it isn't mounted..i'm not sure what is happening |
| 21:03.55 | wols | I asked you to run something |
| 21:03.59 | foug] | yes, mount |
| 21:04.04 | foug] | it doesn't show home |
| 21:04.32 | wols | but it does show SOMETHING |
| 21:04.36 | foug] | well yea |
| 21:05.19 | foug] | ok hmm, even on my ubuntu desktop i have //home and /home, must just be a default thing o.O |
| 21:05.34 | wols | bullshit |
| 21:05.38 | foug] | i swear |
| 21:05.38 | foug] | lol |
| 21:05.39 | tlmiller | Um... no. // in a path is not default |
| 21:05.50 | wols | foug]: you still tell bullshit |
| 21:05.54 | foug] | i can cd //home and cd /home |
| 21:05.55 | tlmiller | You'll have to put double quotes around it to work it it probably |
| 21:05.57 | wols | just that you swear it |
| 21:06.02 | foug] | lol |
| 21:06.10 | wols | foug]: last time: "mount" |
| 21:06.28 | foug] | ok, yes, i've run the mount command |
| 21:06.30 | foug] | it shows stuff |
| 21:06.41 | wols | WHAT does it show? |
| 21:06.45 | tlmiller | Show the line with //home |
| 21:07.28 | foug] | in debian it shows /dev/hdc1 with / mounted on it, /lib/init/rw mounted on tmpfs, /dev mounted on udev and /dev/shm mounted on tmpfs |
| 21:07.47 | foug] | proc, sysfs, dev[t |
| 21:07.54 | foug] | prosbususb |
| 21:08.04 | foug] | i don't see /home anywhere |
| 21:08.11 | foug] | then all the mount options in ( ) |
| 21:08.12 | wols | cause it is no mountpoint |
| 21:08.35 | foug] | ok but still, i was just wondering why i have //home and /home |
| 21:08.37 | wols | ls -l / |
| 21:08.43 | wols | this time, use a pastebin |
| 21:09.06 | foug] | wget | ls -l / |
| 21:09.07 | foug] | for that ? |
| 21:09.21 | wols | no not for that. learn to read |
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| 21:09.35 | foug] | well i've only pastebin'd once and that was in gentoo, and i used wget |
| 21:09.46 | wols | !paste |
| 21:09.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 21:10.11 | JordiGH | This is cute. Ubuntu's Nautilus, maybe Debian's too, says "This media contains software" when you mount something that has executables on it. I had to ponder for a second? Software? Well, duh. It's a medium. |
| 21:10.33 | wols | points JordiGH to #ubuntu |
| 21:10.45 | foug] | ls -l / | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 21:10.46 | foug] | ? |
| 21:10.57 | JordiGH | Ah, nice. Debian's Nautilus doesn't have such nonsense on it. |
| 21:10.59 | JordiGH | Debian pwns again. |
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| 21:11.37 | tlmiller | foug], I don't know that you can http post to a pastebin? |
| 21:11.43 | tlmiller | from a command line |
| 21:11.46 | wols | puts the foug] sunday-moron on ignore |
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| 21:11.52 | tlmiller | ouch |
| 21:11.55 | foug] | i don't know how to pastebin quite frankly |
| 21:12.01 | mmmmm | hi |
| 21:12.05 | foug] | damn, and wols use to be such a nice person when i remember chatting to him #litestep |
| 21:12.16 | wols | you are still a fucking idiot |
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| 21:12.22 | foug] | lol |
| 21:13.19 | tlmiller | foug], check the man page of wget, maybe it can do it with --post-data from a CLI |
| 21:13.24 | pobega | foug]: aptitude install pastebinit |
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| 21:14.29 | wols | pobega: not in debian. possibly testing, certainly not in stable |
| 21:14.48 | pobega | wols: I'm running Lenny |
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| 21:15.38 | pobega | Wow...Why is Firefox sucking between 3% and 60% of my CPU? It's fluctuating |
| 21:15.52 | JordiGH | pobega: Is it firefox or Flash? |
| 21:16.39 | pobega | JordiGH: Perhaps it was flash before, firefox-bin is the binary that was going crazy though. I didnt know that flash uses so much memory! |
| 21:17.27 | wols | pobega: there is no firefox in debian, is there? |
| 21:18.54 | pobega | wols: Since when? Iceweasel is the same thing as Firefox, and it shows up as firefox-bin in top |
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| 21:20.47 | tlmiller | IceWeasel is a fork of Firefox though. Not entirely the same. |
| 21:22.10 | zinx | the only differences are some random debian policy stuff |
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| 21:22.26 | drwahl | i am having issues with setting up the 2 video cards and 3 monitors. i have pasted the xorg.conf file and the Xorg.0.log file on pastebin. can someone take a look and see if anything looks wrong? http://pastebin.com/m45c5e072 |
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| 21:28.40 | retracile | newbie question: I've done the apt-get build-dep and apt-get source, and the ./configure; make. How do I build a local .deb package I can install? |
| 21:29.29 | wols | retracile: you can't that way at all |
| 21:29.44 | wols | retracile: what do you want to compile? and where did you get the source and how? |
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| 21:31.01 | pobega | w |
| 21:31.02 | retracile | wols: Background: I'm aiming to patch the matchbox-keyboard package. I'm running on the Openmoko Freerunner, an armel platform. |
| 21:31.55 | wols | that'S all nice but doesn't answer my questions. talk to me when you can answer them |
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| 21:33.42 | retracile | wols: I got the sources by adding 'deb-src' lines matching the 'deb' lines to /etc/apt/sources.list, and running apt-get source matchbox-keyboard and apt-get build-dep matchbox-keyboard. |
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| 21:34.21 | wols | ok, run dpkg-buildpackage in the sources directory where you have a debian/ directory |
| 21:34.22 | retracile | wols: deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ {unstable,experimental} main and deb-src http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main |
| 21:34.24 | wols | it will build a .deb |
| 21:34.49 | NooBi3 | wouldn't it be easier doing "apt-get install -y matchbox-keyboard" ? |
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| 21:35.35 | retracile | NooBi3: I have a version already installed, but it is missing some functionality I want. |
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| 21:36.03 | retracile | .. so I'm trying to get to the point I can rebuild it. |
| 21:36.18 | NooBi3 | mmm... got it |
| 21:36.41 | tlmiller | In debian, Are there multiple drivers available for particular audio chip sets? |
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| 21:42.18 | retracile | I think I'm missing something obvious. In the directory where I ran apt-get source, I did mkdir debian, and ran 'dpkg-buildpackage', which is complaining: "tail: cannot open `debian/changelog' for reading: No such file or directory" |
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| 21:42.19 | retracile | wols: Is the sources directory you mentioned some other directory? |
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| 21:43.07 | NooBi3 | retracile: apt-get update, apt-get build-dep package-name, apt-get -b source package-name. did u do this? |
| 21:43.37 | retracile | NooBi3: I did not have the -b in my apt-get source comand, but other than that, yes. |
| 21:44.17 | NooBi3 | retracile: and it didn't generate the .deb? |
| 21:44.24 | wols | retracile: apt-get source made it |
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| 21:44.47 | retracile | Ah, the -b instructs it to build.... I didn't have that option. |
| 21:44.54 | wols | retracile: apt-get source made a directory in your current directory. do you see it? |
| 21:44.57 | retracile | It's building now. |
| 21:45.36 | retracile | wols: It didn't create the 'source' directory. It may have now that I've added the -b; I'll check once it's done. |
| 21:45.55 | wols | retracile: it did. and the directory is not named "source" |
| 21:46.46 | NooBi3 | the "-b" builds the source package. just run apt-get --help you'll see |
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| 21:46.56 | retracile | NooBi3: thanks, I'd missed it in my earlier reading. |
| 21:47.40 | NooBi3 | retracile: you're welcome. I'm glad to help :P |
| 21:47.49 | retracile | wols: aye, the 'matchbox-keyboard-0.1' directory. You meant to run dpkg-buildpackage in that directory? |
| 21:47.56 | wols | retracile: yes |
| 21:48.24 | retracile | wols: Ah, sorry, I misunderstood. |
| 21:48.24 | foug] | what does it mean when a package says (transitional package)? |
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| 21:48.36 | retracile | Unfortunately, I've got to run. Thanks for the help thus far, NooBi3 and wols. |
| 21:48.57 | NooBi3 | ;) |
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| 21:58.56 | phlux | I can't boot any other kernel besides etchnhalf |
| 21:58.58 | phlux | heh :\ |
| 21:59.01 | phlux | and I'm on Lenny |
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| 21:59.11 | Ariel_Calzada | hi, i have HP DV2000 laptop and i installed debian lenny today. The mouse wheel doesn't work any idea?? |
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| 21:59.30 | NooBi3 | FreakGuard: i think this can help ya: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu |
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| 22:09.38 | foug] | I'm having trouble enabling PHP5 support for apache2. I'm following this guide, http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/lamp.htm . When it tells me uncomment certain lines in my apache2.conf or my php.ini, the lines are not there. |
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| 22:10.02 | foug] | I searched around and found this guide, http://awtrey.com/tutorials/dbeweb/debian.php which tells me to go to my httpd.conf, and that file is completely blank |
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| 22:10.49 | abrotman | foug]: apittude install libapache2-mod-php5 .. done |
| 22:11.15 | foug] | abrotman: i did that |
| 22:11.19 | abrotman | then you're done |
| 22:11.20 | jayeola | hey chaps. lenny/sid on a dell dimension 9200. when making new kernels, (drivers == ok), update-grub should be ok, yah? i don't --have-- to edit grub do i? |
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| 22:11.36 | foug] | abrotman: i don't need to do any editing of files to load the modules? hmm |
| 22:11.37 | abrotman | jayeola: are you using make-kpkg |
| 22:11.38 | abrotman | ? |
| 22:11.42 | jayeola | nope |
| 22:11.47 | abrotman | foug]: it shold do it on install |
| 22:11.52 | abrotman | jayeola: theny ou're on your own AFAIK |
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| 22:12.42 | foug] | abrotman: allright, cool. Thanks, another question, in the first guide I linked it says to install phpmyadmin if you want to control your sqlDB from your browser, then to go to http://ipaddress/phpmyadmin/ but when i do that, my browser asks if i want to save a file. Should i restart apache? |
| 22:12.45 | jayeola | make && make modules && make modules_install && make install. always worked in the past :P, what's this about make-kpkg? |
| 22:13.17 | abrotman | foug]: i don't use phpmyadmin .. nor do i suggest anyone else does |
| 22:13.23 | jayeola | heh |
| 22:13.24 | abrotman | (or use mysql .. but that's a different matter) |
| 22:13.25 | foug] | no shit eh? damn, allright |
| 22:13.31 | wols | a2enmod php5 |
| 22:13.33 | abrotman | !tell jayeola about kp |
| 22:13.38 | jayeola | ty |
| 22:13.39 | abrotman | wols: that should happen when it's installed |
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| 22:13.46 | foug] | wols: thanks, but .. yea what abrotman said |
| 22:13.49 | wols | should, yes, doesn't always |
| 22:14.03 | foug] | abrotman: is phpmyadmin insecure, or what ;\ |
| 22:14.09 | abrotman | !tell jayeola about kp mantra |
| 22:14.13 | abrotman | foug]: nope .. just makes you lazy :) |
| 22:14.19 | foug] | ... |
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| 22:14.24 | foug] | :) |
| 22:14.38 | MXIIA | Is Debian really 3DVDs in size? |
| 22:14.39 | jayeola | waits for the bot to give him wisedom |
| 22:14.40 | wols | abrotman: "make"? I'm lazy from the beginning |
| 22:14.48 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:14.53 | abrotman | jayeola: it should have already |
| 22:14.58 | abrotman | MXIIA: you don't need them all to install |
| 22:15.00 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 22:15.01 | dpkg | hmm... netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 22:15.04 | foug] | wols: abrotman: this module is allready enabled! after running a2enmod php5 |
| 22:15.12 | abrotman | did you restart apache? |
| 22:15.21 | MXIIA | If I want to make a Debian server... |
| 22:15.26 | jayeola | thanks |
| 22:15.31 | foug] | abrotman: i'll do that now |
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| 22:15.44 | abrotman | !d-i MXIIA |
| 22:15.44 | dpkg | MXIIA, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:15.55 | abrotman | get the netinst! |
| 22:16.06 | MXIIA | Ok |
| 22:16.13 | dudeman | ahhh boy |
| 22:16.19 | foug] | abrotman: k it restarted, but http://ipaddy/phpmyadmin/ still asks me if i want to save a file or open it |
| 22:16.20 | dudeman | lets see whats going on with lenny today |
| 22:16.34 | abrotman | foug]: clear your browser cache and restart the browser |
| 22:16.53 | jayeola | http://www.debianadmin.com/install-wordpress-in-debian-etch.html # << decent guide if you want php && mysql on debian. it's really for wordpress but all the details are there |
| 22:16.59 | dudeman | why does browser make it screw up? |
| 22:17.04 | dudeman | isn't it an apache thing |
| 22:17.06 | abrotman | no |
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| 22:17.34 | dudeman | you sure? |
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| 22:17.41 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:17.51 | foug] | dudeman: well the two guides i'm looking at what me edit apache2.conf or httdp.conf. httpd.conf is totally blank, and what the guide asks me to look for is not in apache2.conf, or conf.d |
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| 22:18.12 | abrotman | foug]: those sound out of date .. like sarge days or earlier |
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| 22:19.00 | foug] | abrotman: aw shit.. |
| 22:19.20 | foug] | abrotman: ok it worked, clearning my cache. Awesome, thanks |
| 22:19.45 | foug] | abrotman: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/lamp.htm that's the guide. Is it indeed too old to follow? |
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| 22:20.15 | dudeman | dude |
| 22:20.16 | dudeman | seriously |
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| 22:20.30 | dudeman | foug], what are you trying to do? |
| 22:20.34 | dudeman | does it ask you to save a php file? |
| 22:20.35 | abrotman | foug]: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server .. done |
| 22:20.44 | abrotman | dudeman: we're past that |
| 22:20.54 | foug] | dudeman: ok it's not asking me to save anything anymore. I can access phpmyadmin. I'm just trying to setup a webserver :) |
| 22:21.01 | dudeman | uhuh |
| 22:21.03 | foug] | abrotman: i've installed all of those packages |
| 22:21.05 | dudeman | dont use phpmyadmin |
| 22:21.07 | dudeman | its a pos |
| 22:21.11 | abrotman | foug]: that command should pull the LAMP bits you're looking for .. if you want additional PHP parts .. you'll need those also |
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| 22:21.23 | MXIIA | how much hard drive space does debian take up? |
| 22:21.28 | abrotman | depends what you install |
| 22:21.43 | MXIIA | I just want it for a server |
| 22:21.43 | foug] | abrotman: allright, well then i should be good for now. The guide should be fine if it's old tohugh, right? |
| 22:21.50 | foug] | dudeman: any suggestions to a lazy mansm alternative? |
| 22:22.00 | jayeola | you can get away with 5gb with xwindows and all the "gui" stuff |
| 22:22.02 | abrotman | foug]: it seems old .. and mildly wrong .. but nothing awful |
| 22:22.13 | abrotman | MXIIA: still depends what you are going to install |
| 22:22.16 | dudeman | !mmhr |
| 22:22.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mmhr is Meeting Minimum Hardware Requirments per Debian 4.0 i386 install guide <ig> at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 22:22.36 | MXIIA | Ok, thanks |
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| 22:22.41 | dudeman | debian packages are on average compressed by 1:3 ratio usually |
| 22:22.53 | dudeman | depending on binary or not, etc. etc. |
| 22:23.24 | dudeman | and it shouldn't matter anyway, apt/aptitude tell you how much space will be used after package installation |
| 22:23.49 | dudeman | so base requirements + whatever you want to install = total space required |
| 22:23.58 | dudeman | plus whatever music or porn you want... |
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| 22:25.32 | dudeman | foug], you want a lamp server? how much have you installed already? |
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| 22:26.23 | arlequin | hello i need help for install driver sound for my DC7100 pc |
| 22:26.32 | arlequin | duno where i must begin... |
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| 22:27.06 | dudeman | arlequin, aptitude install pciutils ; lspci |grep audio |
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| 22:27.17 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. My rkhunter says "Write permission is set on file '/bin/lsmod' for all users". Anyone knows how that might be? Anyone with experience in forensics? Ar I hax0red? |
| 22:27.18 | dudeman | or |grep -i audio |
| 22:27.26 | dudeman | arlequin, find out what you have first |
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| 22:28.08 | arlequin | dudeman, i typed your commad |
| 22:28.25 | arlequin | dudeman, i found my hardware |
| 22:28.35 | jayeola | woah! apt-get install kernel-source did not put the sources in /usr/loca/src. can i not use the linux-foo.gz from kernel.org? |
| 22:28.42 | dudeman | arlequin, paste the 1 line |
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| 22:28.54 | jayeola | (or was it kernel-package) |
| 22:28.56 | dudeman | jayeola, linux-source |
| 22:29.02 | jayeola | ty! |
| 22:29.05 | dudeman | linux-image (for binary kernel image) |
| 22:29.33 | arlequin | dudeman, 00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) |
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| 22:29.59 | jayeola | linux-source-2.6.26 or linux-tree-2.6.26 ?? |
| 22:30.10 | dudeman | !alsa install |
| 22:30.10 | dpkg | "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils", or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>. After its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels. Some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA, ask me about <devdsp>. You may also need libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications. |
| 22:30.15 | dudeman | arlequin, ^^ |
| 22:30.20 | arlequin | dudeman, ?? |
| 22:30.29 | dudeman | !tell arlequin -about alsa-checklist |
| 22:30.36 | dudeman | !tell arlequin -about alsa install |
| 22:30.44 | dudeman | arlequin, check the private message from dpkg |
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| 22:31.15 | arlequin | dudeman, it mean my audio driver is working? |
| 22:31.38 | dudeman | no |
| 22:31.45 | dudeman | maybe maybe not |
| 22:31.51 | dudeman | arlequin, read the messages |
| 22:32.05 | arlequin | dudeman, what is alsaconf? |
| 22:32.24 | dudeman | arlequin, when you install alsa-utils a program will install in the system called alsaconf |
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| 22:32.44 | dudeman | you will run it as root, sudo alsaconf (if you have sudo setup, or su -c alsaconf or however you want) |
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| 22:34.42 | enouf | !soundcheck |
| 22:34.42 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp ...use Ctrl-C to stop it after a few seconds. If it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 22:34.56 | enouf | !speaker-test |
| 22:34.56 | dpkg | somebody said speaker-test was do speaker-test -tsine -f440 -c2 to test if speakers are working in alsa (install alsa-utils), ask me about <alsa checklist> and <soundcheck> |
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| 22:36.37 | dudeman | !enouf-test |
| 22:36.41 | enouf | dpkg: speaker-test =~ s,do speaker-test -tsine -f440 -c2,do; "speaker-test -tsine -f440 -c2", |
| 22:36.42 | dpkg | enouf: OK |
| 22:36.49 | enouf | :-P |
| 22:37.09 | dudeman | there should be a nylesmite |
| 22:37.25 | MXIIA | does apt-get install xampp work? |
| 22:37.28 | dudeman | hit u over da hed wid da bong! |
| 22:37.32 | MXIIA | Or do I have to manually install it |
| 22:37.33 | dudeman | MXIIA, ? |
| 22:37.35 | enouf | heh |
| 22:37.36 | dudeman | dude... |
| 22:37.52 | MXIIA | XAMPP... the all-in-one server Apache PHP MySQL Perl |
| 22:38.06 | dudeman | Many people know from their own experience that it's not easy to install an Apache web server and it gets harder if you want to add MySQL, PHP and Perl. |
| 22:38.10 | dudeman | who the shit ... |
| 22:38.10 | enouf | might as well use tasksel |
| 22:38.11 | dudeman | fuck em dude |
| 22:38.27 | dudeman | they know from what experience? |
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| 22:38.38 | dudeman | 2 minutes of tinkering and giving up? |
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| 22:41.01 | arlequin | dudeman, for the love of god thank you |
| 22:41.07 | jinjan__ | You do not get tired of being here |
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| 22:41.55 | enouf | !bow now brown cow |
| 22:41.57 | dudeman | arlequin, for the love of god |
| 22:41.58 | dudeman | yes |
| 22:42.01 | dudeman | you are welcome :) |
| 22:42.05 | dudeman | Nyle ftw! |
| 22:42.15 | enouf | who's Nyle? |
| 22:42.18 | dudeman | 2 days from now Ramadan is coming up |
| 22:42.19 | enouf | i see no Nyle |
| 22:42.21 | dudeman | I gotta start fasting |
| 22:42.23 | dudeman | enouf, you suck |
| 22:42.25 | dudeman | shaddup |
| 22:42.33 | jinjan__ | lol |
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| 22:42.40 | dudeman | :D |
| 22:42.50 | enouf | smacks dudeman with his cane upside the head |
| 22:43.50 | jinjan__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.00 | dudeman | hey send me a priv enouf |
| 22:44.03 | dudeman | I want to test my irssi |
| 22:44.08 | dudeman | set autocreate_query_level msg |
| 22:44.46 | jinjan__ | whom I |
| 22:44.50 | dudeman | sure |
| 22:44.55 | dudeman | you can msg me |
| 22:44.59 | dudeman | oh wait I can have dpkg do that |
| 22:45.04 | dudeman | !tell me about stoned |
| 22:45.08 | enouf | straps dudeman to a gourney and staples his eyes open and makes him watch the full week of all the Republican Piggy Convention |
| 22:45.20 | jinjan__ | yes |
| 22:45.34 | jinjan__ | and you |
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| 22:46.47 | abrotman | !tell dudeman about selftell |
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| 22:46.52 | abrotman | hides |
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| 22:47.41 | enouf | pokes his cane into the nooks and crannies looking for abrotman |
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| 22:48.14 | dudeman | heh |
| 22:48.16 | dudeman | 'tard |
| 22:48.17 | jinjan__ | ã使ãã®åã«lol |
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| 22:49.27 | abrotman | jinjan__: english here |
| 22:49.31 | dudeman | enouf, I just discovered CakePHP |
| 22:49.38 | dudeman | !cakephp |
| 22:49.44 | dudeman | I wonder if anyone packaged it |
| 22:49.50 | dudeman | I should file an ITP |
| 22:49.50 | enouf | dudeman: dude, i'm eating homeade oatmeal cookies and milk :-) |
| 22:50.05 | dudeman | sweet |
| 22:50.09 | postgres | is there a difference in the boot order of udev and mounting the rest of the partitions between lenny and etch? |
| 22:50.18 | dudeman | I could probably work on my favorite php framework and package that |
| 22:50.20 | dudeman | :D |
| 22:50.31 | enouf | right .. +raisons == sweet ;-) |
| 22:50.47 | dudeman | enouf, I just got asigned a new project... freaking custom inventory cost/management system for our company |
| 22:51.06 | octoserver | any ideas why some of my programs look like half KDE and half Gnome? |
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| 22:51.14 | dudeman | on a quad core 8gb ram on which I'll just probably virtualize a debian lamp server |
| 22:51.21 | enouf | dudeman: good news ;-) ... |
| 22:51.24 | laolin | español |
| 22:51.27 | abrotman | !es |
| 22:51.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:51.33 | dudeman | octoserver, yes |
| 22:51.55 | laolin | no sirve |
| 22:51.57 | dudeman | octoserver, some programs are kde programs using the Qt toolkit to draw controls, while others use the GTK2 toolkit to draw them |
| 22:52.01 | dudeman | hence they look different |
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| 22:52.10 | enouf | postgres: well, i know the udev package has changed ... maybe a lot |
| 22:52.13 | dudeman | octoserver, you can provide a gtk2 engine for yoru apps that uses qt controls |
| 22:52.19 | laolin | otro |
| 22:52.22 | dudeman | or you can also specify a qt theme that uses gtk |
| 22:52.34 | abrotman | laolin: english here .. or go to #debian-es |
| 22:52.35 | laolin | ã¿ãªãããããã«ã¡ã¯ |
| 22:52.41 | dudeman | seriously |
| 22:52.45 | dudeman | enoug. |
| 22:52.48 | dudeman | enough. |
| 22:52.49 | laolin | no agarra |
| 22:52.59 | laolin | otro |
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| 22:53.08 | enouf | postgres: check BTS - see stuff like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491114 for example - also, there are some tools, either removed/renamed - like udevcontrol .. i think is now called udevadm |
| 22:53.09 | postgres | enouf: the udev rule worked, but there's another problem that exposed itself |
| 22:53.15 | helo | how can i install postgresql7.4 in sid? |
| 22:53.16 | dudeman | laolin, /join #debian-es |
| 22:53.23 | dudeman | helo, is it packaged? |
| 22:53.25 | abrotman | he's not spanish .. i don't think |
| 22:53.28 | dudeman | helo, if not you will have to build it |
| 22:53.29 | laolin | otro |
| 22:53.31 | abrotman | helo: don't think you can |
| 22:53.34 | helo | not in the repos |
| 22:53.37 | dudeman | why not? |
| 22:53.39 | abrotman | helo: why would you want to? |
| 22:53.41 | dudeman | of course he can. |
| 22:53.44 | laolin | not |
| 22:53.48 | postgres | helo: 7.4 is old, 8.x has compatibility settings |
| 22:53.49 | laolin | otro channel |
| 22:53.52 | dudeman | FUCK! |
| 22:53.54 | dudeman | enough |
| 22:54.00 | laolin | you bitc |
| 22:54.06 | laolin | o |
| 22:54.07 | abrotman | dudeman: he *can* .. it's not a good idea .. it's old .. and might even be unsupported upsteream |
| 22:54.08 | laolin | yo |
| 22:54.10 | laolin | you |
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| 22:54.17 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@190.78.41.152] by abrotman |
| 22:54.19 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 22:54.20 | dudeman | throws up his hands |
| 22:54.25 | dudeman | looks at abrotman |
| 22:54.32 | abrotman | laolin: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for .. whatever your babbling is |
| 22:54.36 | dudeman | thanks. |
| 22:54.39 | postgres | catches dudeman's hands! |
| 22:54.46 | dudeman | lol |
| 22:54.51 | abrotman | dudeman: it's not like you're any better than his babble |
| 22:54.52 | helo | abrotman: that is what will be used in production... i suppose there shouldn't be too much trouble getting the tables and procedures i write for 8.x to run on 7.4... |
| 22:55.02 | dudeman | abrotman, go away. |
| 22:55.05 | abrotman | helo: in production where? on etch? |
| 22:55.11 | postgres | you not only gave me a hand, but you also gave me a hand! |
| 22:55.20 | abrotman | dudeman: would you rather i unban him and you can watch him keep doing that? |
| 22:55.27 | dudeman | lol |
| 22:55.29 | dudeman | please |
| 22:55.32 | dudeman | anything but that |
| 22:55.44 | enouf | why did he keep saying 'other' in spanish? |
| 22:55.50 | abrotman | and japanese? |
| 22:55.53 | dudeman | lol |
| 22:55.55 | dudeman | haha |
| 22:55.56 | postgres | other channel? |
| 22:55.59 | abrotman | !tell laolin about es |
| 22:55.59 | dudeman | omg is today sunday? |
| 22:56.05 | dudeman | it is isnt it! |
| 22:56.08 | simonrvn | yes |
| 22:56.08 | dudeman | !sunday |
| 22:56.08 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 22:56.10 | abrotman | omg fehy!!! |
| 22:56.14 | dudeman | simonrvn, yo! |
| 22:56.24 | simonrvn | yoyo |
| 22:56.34 | dudeman | simonrvn, whacky new pic! |
| 22:56.40 | dudeman | hehe |
| 22:56.56 | helo | hmm |
| 22:57.08 | postgres | enouf: the thing is, somethign other than udev was already doing the command I wanted, to load hdsp firmware |
| 22:57.10 | octoserver | dudeman: cool thanks |
| 22:57.18 | dudeman | yw |
| 22:57.54 | simonrvn | and this is why i'm going back to lurking... |
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| 22:57.58 | postgres | the problem is, the partition where the firmware is installed wasn't mounted at the time the card was seen in the pcmcia slot |
| 22:58.15 | abrotman | helo: yeah .. no more pgsql 7.x in lenny or sid |
| 22:58.32 | abrotman | helo: and etch does have an 8.x package |
| 22:58.35 | postgres | enouf: so... rc.local would have worked... |
| 22:58.50 | enouf | hah! :-p |
| 22:59.27 | helo | our sysadmin is still using 7.4, so i wanted to develop against that |
| 22:59.27 | postgres | the only disadvantage being, I wouldn't know why right now |
| 22:59.39 | abrotman | helo: well .. tough? |
| 22:59.49 | abrotman | helo: you can setup a stable chroot if you want to i suppose |
| 22:59.50 | dudeman | you know |
| 22:59.54 | postgres | helo: just compile one |
| 22:59.56 | helo | sounds like i will be ok using 8.1 |
| 23:00.02 | helo | i'm not going to do anything fancy |
| 23:00.03 | dudeman | I need to code a web app, inventory/cost management |
| 23:00.09 | dudeman | which db should I use? |
| 23:00.12 | abrotman | pgsql |
| 23:00.12 | enouf | postgres: enable bootlogd and review the resultant /var/log/boot after you reboot |
| 23:00.18 | dudeman | its fast? |
| 23:00.22 | abrotman | test it |
| 23:00.32 | dudeman | we're expecting a hugely massive db |
| 23:00.33 | helo | dudeman: use all of them, and choose the one that performs the best |
| 23:00.35 | enouf | !bootlogd |
| 23:00.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
| 23:00.38 | dudeman | about 50k items |
| 23:00.41 | abrotman | hahahaha |
| 23:00.43 | helo | that is'nt huge |
| 23:00.45 | postgres | that's not huge at all |
| 23:00.46 | dudeman | with various description feilds |
| 23:00.48 | abrotman | hardly huge or massive |
| 23:00.53 | enouf | postgres: that should let you know if the initrd is loading it |
| 23:00.55 | dudeman | oh |
| 23:01.02 | dudeman | :D |
| 23:01.07 | abrotman | even MS Access could do that |
| 23:01.14 | dudeman | each item will have about 20 fields |
| 23:01.22 | dudeman | so 50k * 20~ish |
| 23:01.26 | dudeman | thats not huge? |
| 23:01.29 | enouf | i don't play with firmware that i can't flash onto the device rom itself |
| 23:01.30 | abrotman | pgsql will be fine as long as you don't totally f up the database |
| 23:01.33 | dudeman | what do you consider huge? |
| 23:01.35 | enouf | like binflash |
| 23:01.36 | dudeman | abrotman, ok |
| 23:01.36 | abrotman | dudeman: that's minor |
| 23:01.41 | dudeman | uhuh |
| 23:01.44 | helo | looks down at his pants |
| 23:01.47 | dudeman | I asked rahul the other day |
| 23:01.50 | dudeman | he said the same thing |
| 23:01.53 | dudeman | use postgre |
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| 23:02.11 | postgres | you just keep on usin me.... |
| 23:02.16 | postgres | till you use me up... |
| 23:02.22 | enouf | !bdb |
| 23:02.22 | dpkg | it has been said that bdb is Berkeley DB (BDB), a high-performance, embedded database library with bindings in C, C++, Java, Perl, Python, Ruby, Tcl, Smalltalk, and many other programming languages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_DB -- http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix99/full_papers/olson/olson.pdf |
| 23:02.23 | dudeman | postgres, dude you know |
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| 23:02.51 | dudeman | if you pick a nickname that is heavily used in #freenode, you _WILL_ get hilighted all the time |
| 23:03.05 | dudeman | either change it or stop complaining ! :D |
| 23:03.13 | dudeman | its like me having the nickname 'wtf' on irc |
| 23:03.14 | octoserver | dudeman: cool ,i set gtk to use kde themes for its programs and that did the trick it seems |
| 23:03.15 | postgres | meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee? |
| 23:03.20 | dudeman | and then complaining about other stuff |
| 23:03.23 | postgres | complaining??? |
| 23:03.23 | abrotman | dudeman: lay off the enter key |
| 23:03.23 | dudeman | octoserver, great :) |
| 23:03.36 | dudeman | man |
| 23:03.38 | dudeman | seriously |
| 23:03.51 | enouf | ladies! |
| 23:03.58 | dudeman | whats with this kid? |
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| 23:04.00 | enouf | ;-) |
| 23:04.06 | postgres | seriously, you should use pg if you're expecting lots of data |
| 23:04.08 | dudeman | jeez. |
| 23:04.13 | dudeman | postgres, yup, will do |
| 23:04.25 | dudeman | I'm going to be using cakephp and it works equally well with a number of db |
| 23:04.36 | FreakGuard | I've got some problems about apt-get upgrade - some packages aren't signed. update doesn't solve the problem :( |
| 23:04.41 | abrotman | it's hardly lots of data |
| 23:04.53 | abrotman | it just does things more correctly than mysql |
| 23:05.00 | abrotman | you could probably use sqlite too |
| 23:05.05 | postgres | and more standardly |
| 23:05.09 | dudeman | I was thinking that |
| 23:05.24 | dudeman | currently I'm using fputcsv in php to write to uhm... a csv... |
| 23:05.30 | abrotman | postgres: that was the "more correctly" part |
| 23:05.59 | postgres | as you're developming your data model use constraints to make sure it doesn't get corrupted |
| 23:06.07 | enouf | Can i ask a Q about firmwarez in general? IF most is going the FOSS route, why bother loading it at each boot? why not just flash the device? |
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| 23:06.11 | abrotman | postgres: who needs constraints |
| 23:06.19 | abrotman | postgres: that's like trying to use keys .. jeez |
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| 23:06.36 | postgres | you must be pulling my leg :) |
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| 23:07.29 | postgres | enouf: there is supposed to be a way to flash my device... I don't think the driver knows how to do that |
| 23:07.30 | octoserver | how do i get rid of sounds when windows open and close, i cant find which one it is ? |
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| 23:08.02 | abrotman | turn off speakers |
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| 23:08.17 | snowrichard | put tape on the sound card contacts lol |
| 23:08.17 | enouf | postgres: it's a larger question than your Sound <whatever-thing> .. i'm talking Wifi and all that other crap too |
| 23:08.28 | postgres | make a gross noise in their direction... that'll turn em off! |
| 23:08.59 | octoserver | lol |
| 23:09.01 | postgres | enouf: are all such devices flashable? |
| 23:09.14 | enouf | if they are not, why not? |
| 23:09.43 | postgres | hardware mfgr saved a buck? |
| 23:09.54 | amphi | insidious blobbery |
| 23:10.08 | enouf | well, there's a chip which has to house the loaded firmware, .. so no |
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| 23:10.28 | enouf | i think |
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| 23:10.37 | postgres | a flashable chip versus an unflashable one? |
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| 23:10.56 | enouf | amphi: blobules suck ass :-) |
| 23:11.25 | postgres | maybe there are no unflashable ones |
| 23:11.49 | postgres | or the flashable ones are cheap due to use |
| 23:11.53 | enouf | my DVD writer can be and has been "flashed" ;-) |
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| 23:12.36 | enouf | RipLock removed, RegionCode settings gone, and bitsetting for +R media ;-) |
| 23:13.07 | enouf | (not that i'll ever need any of all that - but hey ;-) ) |
| 23:13.40 | postgres | but once you include all firmwarable hardware in general, theres a good chance you'll find an unflashable one in that log |
| 23:13.41 | postgres | t |
| 23:13.45 | postgres | lot |
| 23:13.59 | enouf | senses the silence as; RIAA + MPAA calling on NSA :-P |
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| 23:14.24 | enouf | postgres: but why? sure, there are cheap pieces of shit |
| 23:14.30 | amphi | enouf: you have an ameliorated fw for your dvd drive? |
| 23:14.38 | enouf | amphi: indeed ;-) |
| 23:14.39 | postgres | that's all I'm saying, they might exist |
| 23:14.48 | postgres | why? who knows for each case |
| 23:15.11 | PDani | hi |
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| 23:15.22 | enouf | !wb PDani |
| 23:15.23 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! PDani has returned! |
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| 23:15.47 | amphi | enouf: I found one years ago for the drive in my T22; I haven't looked yet for this one. I refuse to set a region, on principle: if they deliberately break their media, I shall take my custom to bittorrent |
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| 23:16.22 | enouf | amphi: i'm way ahead of ya ;-) |
| 23:16.26 | PDani | how can i find out the version of gcc which was used to compile a specific linux-image package? |
| 23:16.35 | amphi | enouf: I hope ;) |
| 23:16.41 | enouf | cat /proc/version |
| 23:16.43 | postgres | are you running it now? |
| 23:17.02 | enouf | or .. read the changelogs? or .. README or ... |
| 23:17.37 | amphi | enouf: IIRC, this is a matshita device, in which case the fw is 'encrypted' - XORed I think, but it doesn't help |
| 23:17.42 | PDani | postgres: no |
| 23:18.05 | PDani | but thx |
| 23:18.36 | enouf | amphi: yeah, some things like those can be a real PITA, i specifically chose a make/model i knew prior i could flash how i wanted |
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| 23:18.46 | amphi | enouf: this is in a laptop :( |
| 23:18.53 | enouf | amphi: i know :-/ |
| 23:18.56 | FreakGuard | security.debian.org => 503 |
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| 23:19.10 | Gigantic | The WEIRDEST thing happen when I run Skype >.> |
| 23:19.15 | enouf | amphi: but .. some of those also have that UltraBay thing, right? |
| 23:19.28 | Gigantic | Everytime I run it it opens firefox at http://www.chomsky.info/ |
| 23:19.31 | Gigantic | wtf |
| 23:19.49 | amphi | enouf: right; but AFAIK, matshita are the only ones who make them extra-slim drives |
| 23:20.07 | Gigantic | isn't there a oos version compatible with Skype? |
| 23:20.08 | enouf | amphi: i think most in the optical comm, call matshita -> master shitta :-P |
| 23:20.24 | enouf | or was it matsushista or something |
| 23:20.34 | amphi | enouf: they are certainly extra 'compliant' |
| 23:20.43 | enouf | hah! |
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| 23:21.06 | FreakGuard | I'm getting a bunch of errors apt-get update... (503) - using mirror.switch.ch and etch |
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| 23:21.13 | enouf | amphi: i wonder if the airbook and it's ilk have an optical drive? |
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| 23:21.27 | FreakGuard | enouf, the airbook itself not |
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| 23:21.52 | enouf | amphi: aren't like these new 300-500 $ asus and eeepc version like 1" thick? |
| 23:21.53 | DynV | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.02 | amphi | enouf: dounbt it; they couldn't even fit in an ethernet port, I heard ;) |
| 23:22.19 | enouf | FreakGuard: i guess too much weight - thanks for the info |
| 23:22.25 | amphi | enouf: I've not seen one |
| 23:22.26 | enouf | amphi: haha |
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| 23:23.20 | FreakGuard | more than enought users here and no one uses mirror.switch.ch? :/ |
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| 23:24.14 | TopherBartos | Hey, I am trying to get my wireless network card working. My 'lspci' command says it's a RealTek chip using the rtl8180 driver. |
| 23:24.39 | TopherBartos | However, I can't find it because the website doesn't have the driver anymore. I also tried Ndiswrapper with the Windows Driver. |
| 23:24.54 | abrotman | FreakGuard: does your ISP use a proxy? |
| 23:25.00 | TopherBartos | When i did that I get ONE blinking light. But I can't get both of them. |
| 23:25.18 | FreakGuard | abrotman, archlinus works perfectly, as ubuntu did before |
| 23:25.35 | FreakGuard | abrotman, but it's a VM - may that have some inpacts? |
| 23:25.46 | TopherBartos | Does anyone know how to get rtl8180 network cards working? |
| 23:25.53 | FreakGuard | it doesn. |
| 23:25.56 | abrotman | FreakGuard: can you trace to the IP? |
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| 23:25.57 | FreakGuard | it does. |
| 23:26.20 | abrotman | course .. ping is not http |
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| 23:27.46 | stevedondley | ping dondelelcaro |
| 23:28.05 | abrotman | still? |
| 23:30.31 | FreakGuard | well, I'd better get the network working :) |
| 23:30.37 | FreakGuard | may take some time |
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| 23:32.28 | enouf | who stevedondley |
| 23:32.52 | stevedondley | abrotman: yeah, still no sign of him |
| 23:33.08 | stevedondley | abrotman: probably on vacation, but I would assume he still checks email |
| 23:33.51 | abrotman | can't help you |
| 23:34.06 | stevedondley | abrotman: he's been doing work for me for like 3 years and so this is unusual |
| 23:34.55 | abrotman | yes.. but i have no more info than you do .. sorry |
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| 23:35.55 | Agiofws | how do i check the version of flash i have in debian ? |
| 23:38.42 | helo | #debian poll: does 'rotel cheese sauce, chili, jalepenos, and warm tortilla chips' sound good or bad? |
| 23:38.48 | helo | ducks |
| 23:39.48 | helo | Agiofws: go to about:plugins in firefox |
| 23:39.55 | DynV | helo: +1 |
| 23:40.41 | helo | does his victory dance |
| 23:40.45 | helo | i knew it sounded good |
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| 23:43.58 | laolin_ | inmigracion a todos |
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| 23:44.21 | Ariel_Calzada | hi i have problem with synaptic touchpad in debian lenny |
| 23:44.26 | Ariel_Calzada | any help? |
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| 23:44.38 | laolin_ | la migra |
| 23:45.03 | enouf | laolin_: cucina la crisco? |
| 23:45.22 | laolin_ | la migra te va allevar |
| 23:45.31 | laolin_ | la inmigracion |
| 23:45.34 | Orbixx | !english |
| 23:45.34 | dpkg | English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope) |
| 23:45.36 | FreakGuard | interessting... just installed a skolelinux without GUI - and now there's no getty - WTF? |
| 23:45.46 | laolin_ | not |
| 23:46.13 | FreakGuard | ah well - just some tests :) |
| 23:46.42 | laolin_ | Spanish |
| 23:46.49 | laolin_ | la inmigracion |
| 23:46.55 | enouf | stop |
| 23:47.18 | dudeman | hey |
| 23:47.21 | enouf | builds a wall all around laolin_ |
| 23:47.33 | laolin_ | and as immigration goes |
| 23:47.35 | enouf | poured concrete |
| 23:47.38 | dudeman | what file mask thingy makes it so that that file is totally unwritingable? |
| 23:47.50 | enouf | +i ? |
| 23:48.04 | enouf | you mean immutable attirbute? |
| 23:48.08 | dudeman | no |
| 23:48.10 | dudeman | read only |
| 23:48.14 | enouf | attribute even |
| 23:48.22 | enouf | well ro == duh |
| 23:48.27 | dudeman | hm |
| 23:48.28 | dudeman | you suck |
| 23:48.31 | laolin_ | joder con la migra |
| 23:48.35 | enouf | 4 + 4 + 4 == dudeman dumbass |
| 23:48.45 | enouf | :-P |
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| 23:49.44 | Ariel_Calzada | any idea how to configure touchpad synaptics in debian lenny¡ |
| 23:49.51 | laolin_ | gringolandia |
| 23:50.17 | dudeman | d--------- <-- what is this converted to numbers? |
| 23:50.20 | dudeman | how do you convert? |
| 23:50.24 | enouf | 000 |
| 23:51.24 | enouf | and that;s a dir, and that's not ro |
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| 23:52.58 | dudeman | uh |
| 23:52.59 | dudeman | hm |
| 23:53.00 | dudeman | what |
| 23:53.01 | dudeman | ? |
| 23:53.10 | FreakGuard | I don't get the network working in VirtualBox... need help :( |
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| 23:56.35 | laolin_ | éä¸é¯èª¤ |
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| 23:58.50 | goatmale | what should I set my /etc/network/interfaces to set it as dhcp? |
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| 23:59.23 | beardy | goatmale: man 5 interfaces |
| 23:59.58 | goatmale | nevermind I think I need a new NIC |
