| 00:00.09 | ech0dish1 | it loaded but how do i know if it worked |
| 00:00.21 | ech0dish1 | i still can't see any networks |
| 00:00.23 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, dmesg and/or iwconfig |
| 00:00.36 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, iwconfig should show wlan0 or something |
| 00:00.42 | ech0dish1 | it shows a wlan0 |
| 00:00.46 | ech0dish1 | but i can't scan for any networks |
| 00:00.51 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, iwlist wlan0 scan |
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| 00:00.52 | ech0dish1 | same as before |
| 00:01.16 | Lagbolt | errors |
| 00:01.17 | Lagbolt | ? |
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| 00:01.43 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, do you have anything that is trying to use it? netmanager or something |
| 00:01.51 | ech0dish1 | in the gui one |
| 00:01.56 | ech0dish1 | i'm using ubuntu |
| 00:02.00 | Lagbolt | oh jesus |
| 00:02.05 | ech0dish1 | lol |
| 00:02.12 | ech0dish1 | they suck for help in there |
| 00:02.18 | ech0dish1 | figured i'd have to come here to get real help |
| 00:02.48 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, /etc/dbus/event.d/25networkmanager stop :) |
| 00:03.11 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, you could install debian :) |
| 00:03.34 | ech0dish1 | i think i will |
| 00:03.47 | ech0dish1 | at least then i'd have tech support |
| 00:04.02 | ech0dish1 | people in #ubuntu are annoying and very newbie |
| 00:04.38 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, so when you iwlist wlan0 scan , what does it say |
| 00:05.23 | ech0dish1 | it shows! |
| 00:05.24 | bbelt16ag | root |
| 00:05.34 | ech0dish1 | but i want a gui one too |
| 00:05.42 | Lagbolt | did you stop netmanager? |
| 00:05.50 | ech0dish1 | can't with command you provided |
| 00:05.57 | Lagbolt | i might have mistyped it |
| 00:06.10 | Lagbolt | i dont have ubuntu i just know about where that is |
| 00:06.22 | ech0dish1 | i'll kill the process |
| 00:06.25 | Lagbolt | no |
| 00:06.29 | ech0dish1 | k |
| 00:06.32 | Lagbolt | go look in /etc/dbus for it |
| 00:06.36 | ech0dish1 | aight |
| 00:06.39 | Lagbolt | it is in event.d or one of those dirs in there |
| 00:06.47 | Lagbolt | for sure it is like 25networkmanager |
| 00:07.00 | Lagbolt | i just dont know dir with absolute certainty |
| 00:07.16 | Snadder | Anyone know about a grafical unzip program for gnome? |
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| 00:07.37 | abrotman | Snadder: multiple ? |
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| 00:07.38 | h3king | file-roller |
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| 00:07.38 | Lagbolt | Snadder, file-roller |
| 00:07.46 | Snadder | Whos best? :-p |
| 00:08.13 | Snadder | 2 of 3 said file-roller.. i'll try that first :-) |
| 00:08.20 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 00:08.28 | bbelt16ag | what's linux-image ?? |
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| 00:08.45 | bbelt16ag | I got a 2.6.18 here wanting to install on my newly installed server |
| 00:08.46 | Lagbolt | bbelt16ag, the package? it is your kernel |
| 00:08.51 | bbelt16ag | wth |
| 00:08.57 | bbelt16ag | why would I want .18? |
| 00:09.03 | abrotman | why wouldn't you? |
| 00:09.04 | bbelt16ag | ... |
| 00:09.09 | Lagbolt | yeah why not |
| 00:09.10 | bbelt16ag | nm |
| 00:09.14 | bbelt16ag | its old... |
| 00:09.21 | Lagbolt | bbelt16ag, you on etch? |
| 00:09.29 | bbelt16ag | no |
| 00:09.33 | bbelt16ag | not anymore anyways |
| 00:09.41 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: what's your CPU? |
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| 00:10.01 | breign | good morning |
| 00:10.22 | ech0dish1 | meh dbus-1 |
| 00:10.34 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, found it? |
| 00:10.43 | Lagbolt | oh yea -1 lol my bad |
| 00:11.01 | bbelt16ag | sigh ok |
| 00:11.03 | ech0dish1 | i'm in! |
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| 00:11.10 | ech0dish1 | thanks! |
| 00:11.11 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, got gui wireless? |
| 00:11.13 | ech0dish1 | it works |
| 00:11.16 | ech0dish1 | yep |
| 00:11.18 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, now you need to black list b43 and ssb |
| 00:11.21 | bbelt16ag | what can I use for a virtual machine that will work with the .18 kernel I got here now |
| 00:11.26 | bbelt16ag | vmware? |
| 00:11.27 | sabayonlive-2596 | Lagbolt: YES it worked ! |
| 00:11.27 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, and add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules so it works on boot |
| 00:11.37 | Lagbolt | sabayonlive-2596, :) did you get grub reinstalled? |
| 00:11.37 | sabayonlive-2596 | Lagbolt: thanks |
| 00:11.39 | ech0dish1 | ok cool, how |
| 00:11.41 | Lagbolt | sabayonlive-2596, no prob |
| 00:11.57 | sabayonlive-2596 | Lagbolt: nope, should i type grub install ? |
| 00:12.03 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: what's your CPU? |
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| 00:12.07 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist you can black list those modules |
| 00:12.28 | ech0dish1 | aight so just vim those |
| 00:12.28 | Lagbolt | sabayonlive-2596, double check the menu.lst from there, and the /boot/grub/device.map |
| 00:12.52 | Lagbolt | sabayonlive-2596, then grub-install hd0 or grub-install /dev/sda both should work, assuming hd0 is mapped to sda |
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| 00:13.50 | ech0dish1 | add line, blacklist b43 ssb |
| 00:13.54 | ech0dish1 | or add two lines? |
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| 00:14.01 | bbelt16ag | for? |
| 00:14.02 | ech0dish1 | one for each |
| 00:14.07 | bbelt16ag | its a dual core |
| 00:14.13 | sabayonlive-2596 | Lagbolt: well my debian don't have wireless working, is it because it did not recognize the "ralink" ? |
| 00:14.13 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=899691 |
| 00:14.15 | bbelt16ag | amd 64 |
| 00:14.41 | Lagbolt | sabayonlive-2596, i dont know why it doesnt. i dont know that much about your computer |
| 00:14.54 | ech0dish1 | thx lag |
| 00:14.57 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 00:15.00 | abrotman | or -amd64 |
| 00:15.00 | sabayonlive-2596 | Lagbolt: double check ? what do you mean my that ? |
| 00:15.02 | ech0dish1 | but for the blacklist file |
| 00:15.16 | ech0dish1 | do i add it as b43 ssb or two lines |
| 00:15.20 | Lagbolt | sabayonlive-2596, i mean just make sure device.map has the correct drives and what not |
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| 00:15.30 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, i think 2 lines, ssb first then b43 |
| 00:15.39 | ech0dish1 | ok |
| 00:15.42 | sabayonlive-2596 | Lagbolt: is it normal to debian recognize wireless / |
| 00:15.44 | sabayonlive-2596 | ? |
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| 00:16.19 | Lagbolt | sabayonlive-2596, if you have a compatible wireless or have installed the wireless module for your device and run network manager |
| 00:16.30 | Lagbolt | sabayonlive-2596, otherwise you have to install said device and configure the network |
| 00:16.32 | jelly-home | !seen blm |
| 00:16.32 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'blm', jelly-home |
| 00:17.05 | ech0dish1 | haha i think isee why bcm43 wouldn't work |
| 00:17.08 | ech0dish1 | it's blacklisted... |
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| 00:17.49 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, yeah? does that one work better with the 4309? |
| 00:18.12 | ech0dish1 | not sure thats what i was researching and it was supposed to work |
| 00:18.22 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, i think the 09 works with b43 if you have the firmware |
| 00:18.32 | ech0dish1 | yeah i found the firmware |
| 00:18.47 | ech0dish1 | eitherway i got this workin i don't care now lol |
| 00:19.00 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, you found it? or did you use the b43-fwcutter package |
| 00:19.16 | ech0dish1 | i pulled it off the link |
| 00:19.29 | ech0dish1 | and tried using b43-fwcutter to install it |
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| 00:19.33 | Lagbolt | ah, well the bfcutter does it all for you |
| 00:19.44 | Lagbolt | it has a shell script that downloads and installs the firmware |
| 00:19.46 | ech0dish1 | bcm43-fwcutter showed me a link |
| 00:19.59 | ech0dish1 | that it couldn't reach |
| 00:20.02 | ech0dish1 | because it was an error |
| 00:20.02 | Lagbolt | but bcm43 and b43 use diff |
| 00:20.18 | Lagbolt | you were using b43 so you need b43-fwcutter |
| 00:20.32 | ech0dish1 | did both lol |
| 00:20.43 | h3king | clear |
| 00:20.46 | Lagbolt | then in /usr/share/b43-fwcutter there is a install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh script |
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| 00:21.29 | bbelt16ag | guys how can I send a file from the cli to the clibboard so I can paste it in a crontab |
| 00:21.33 | ce_geek | Hello all. |
| 00:21.48 | ech0dish1 | need to ad ndiswrapper to start up now |
| 00:21.49 | Lagbolt | bbelt16ag, you can highlight it then edit crontab and middle click to paste it |
| 00:21.57 | bbelt16ag | CLI |
| 00:21.57 | vlt | Hello. How can I set my keyboard to German layout (on the shell)? |
| 00:22.00 | bbelt16ag | command line |
| 00:22.02 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, just add "ndiswrapper" to /etc/modules |
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| 00:22.07 | bbelt16ag | no mouse |
| 00:22.10 | Lagbolt | bbelt16ag, ah |
| 00:22.14 | ech0dish1 | k |
| 00:22.15 | allos_nerelin | How to users who do I write in vps can not enter the /home/... the other? |
| 00:22.20 | ce_geek | I've installed mplayer from source on my debian machine, and I'm getting messages from mplayer saying that my machine is too slow to play the .mov files my digital camera creates. The sound is also very distorted. Ideas? |
| 00:22.21 | Lagbolt | bbelt16ag, not sure . . . |
| 00:22.54 | ce_geek | FWIW, I've moved to debian from Arch, mplayer worked like a champ there. |
| 00:22.57 | ech0dish1 | attempting restart |
| 00:23.03 | ech0dish1 | hope it loads it all up |
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| 00:23.34 | Lagbolt | ce_geek, mplayer works like a champ for me. using etch? do you have correct codecs installed? can you pastebin your error |
| 00:23.42 | bbelt16ag | I also need to know hwo to set my static ip |
| 00:24.42 | ech0dish1 | didn't load |
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| 00:26.17 | skath_ | Hello #debian |
| 00:26.49 | skath_ | Is there a way I can list which packages were installed manually, and which packages were installed automatically to resolve dependencies? |
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| 00:27.18 | dondelelcaro | skath_: aptitude search '~i!~M' or aptitude search '~i~M'; |
| 00:27.30 | dondelelcaro | skath_: read the aptitude manual (not the manpage) for details on what that does. |
| 00:27.46 | skath_ | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 00:27.53 | bbelt16ag | guys how do I setup the statis ip in debian |
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| 00:27.59 | dondelelcaro | bbelt16ag: man 5 interfaces |
| 00:28.16 | MariachiAC | Was anyone able to find an answer to enable to center speaker? |
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| 00:29.42 | ce_geek | Lagbolt: http://www.pastebin.ca/1193186 |
| 00:29.50 | ce_geek | Lagbolt: Yes using etch |
| 00:30.14 | ech0dish1 | BAH! how do i get the internet working again :((((( |
| 00:31.21 | Lagbolt | ce_geek, where is the error? |
| 00:31.40 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, what? did it load ssb and b43? i had probs getting that to work before with blacklists |
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| 00:33.49 | ech0dish1 | figured it out |
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| 00:34.27 | ech0dish1 | ssb was loaded |
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| 00:35.17 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, so blacklist failed you eh. well you can always do what i used to do. rmmod b43 ssb, then rm the modules themselves and depmod :) |
| 00:35.21 | Lagbolt | then they wont come back |
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| 00:38.00 | cupantae | hi! Can anyone tell me where I'm going wrong? I'm trying to set up a pci wireless adapter on etch. I compiled and installed rt61 and I can see the adapter on iwconfig and it is up, according to ifconfig. I can enter my essid and wep key with iwconfig and I get as far as getting an AP address, yet when I bring up iceweasel: nothing |
| 00:38.58 | cupantae | I'm talking on ubuntu now on the same PC, so I can access the files, but I'll have to restart before trying anything. |
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| 00:39.21 | Lagbolt | cupantae, do you have an IP from the access point? |
| 00:39.36 | Lagbolt | cupantae, dhclient wlan0 assuming wla0 is the interface |
| 00:39.36 | cupantae | how can I find that out? |
| 00:39.42 | iwkse | hi there, with aptitude flags, i A would means installed, archive? |
| 00:39.50 | Lagbolt | cupantae, ifconfig will show you the devices and if it has an address |
| 00:40.23 | cupantae | Lagbolt: is dhclient installed by default? |
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| 00:41.03 | ce_geek | Lagbolt: Oops |
| 00:41.14 | ce_geek | lagbolt: http://www.pastebin.ca/1193205 |
| 00:41.29 | ce_geek | lagbolt: Sound is nonexistent now :-/ |
| 00:41.32 | Lagbolt | cupantae, i believe it is part of the base |
| 00:41.53 | ce_geek | I downloaded the source and built it |
| 00:42.32 | cupantae | Lagbolt: ok, great. What are my instructions depending on whether I find that IP address with ifconfig? Sorry, annoying question I know... |
| 00:42.48 | Lagbolt | ce_geek, hmm do you have libquicktime installed? might be libquicktime1 or something |
| 00:43.04 | Lagbolt | not sure if you need that tho, i think ffmpeg should be able to play it |
| 00:43.25 | Tramp | cupantae: you have to configure your interface in /etc/network/interfaces. man 5 interfaces and man 7 wireless |
| 00:43.37 | Lagbolt | cupantae, if you were configuring using iwconfig commands it is likely you dont have an ip unless you did dhclient |
| 00:43.54 | Lagbolt | cupantae, if you have an ip, then you might try to ping your gateway which will show in ipconfig as well |
| 00:44.17 | cplx | ifconfig* |
| 00:44.26 | Lagbolt | ce_geek, ah you compiled mplayer and stuff? |
| 00:45.00 | cupantae | ok, I think I'll try some of those things. I filled out /etc/network/interfaces alright. |
| 00:45.31 | Lagbolt | cupantae, if your interfaces is setup right it should connect no trouble |
| 00:45.58 | ce_geek | Lagbolt: Yea |
| 00:46.04 | ce_geek | Lagbolt: Mebbie need libquicktime? |
| 00:46.27 | bbelt16ag | wth is it not using resolve.conf for the name servers |
| 00:46.30 | cupantae | Lagbolt: well, that's why I'm so confused. I spent so long at a terminal in arch for this same problem... |
| 00:46.48 | LeoDing | Goodmorning ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 00:46.54 | Lagbolt | ce_geek, i dont know for sure. it has been a long time sinec ihad any problems with mplayer but i have all my codecs installed. there are options to change what mplayer uses by default. |
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| 00:47.04 | Lagbolt | ce_geek, why did you compile it? dont like packages? |
| 00:47.07 | vlt | To change my keyboard layout I installed "console-data" and chose "German qwertz" layout. How to activate it now? (Reboot didn't help) |
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| 00:47.30 | ce_geek | Lagbolt: Just did it to see if that would help. |
| 00:47.33 | Lagbolt | cupantae, can you pastebin your interfaces? |
| 00:47.37 | allos_nerelin | How to users who do I write in vps can not enter the /home/... the other? |
| 00:47.44 | ce_geek | Lagbolt: Still getting used to the new package manager (used to pacman for Arch) |
| 00:47.46 | Lagbolt | ce_geek, ah so it didnt work as packages so you compiled? |
| 00:47.55 | ce_geek | Lagbolt: Right |
| 00:47.58 | allos_nerelin | How do I to users who do I write in vps can not enter the /home/... the other? |
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| 00:48.16 | abrotman | !br |
| 00:48.16 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:48.31 | cupantae | auto wlan0 |
| 00:48.31 | cupantae | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 00:48.31 | cupantae | wireless-essid "ESSID" |
| 00:48.31 | cupantae | wireless-key WIRELESSKEY |
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| 00:48.47 | allos_nerelin | debian-br dead |
| 00:48.47 | allos_nerelin | =z |
| 00:49.27 | cupantae | Lagbolt: did four lines come up from me? I don't know how to use #flood |
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| 00:49.59 | bbelt16ag | got it nm |
| 00:50.11 | Lagbolt | yeah they did, i am not too familiar with setting it up that way. i use wpa_supplicant for all my wireless needs |
| 00:50.57 | cupantae | ok. I have wep, you see. If I find my ip address, what can I do with it? |
| 00:51.02 | Lagbolt | cupantae, you should be able to do one iwconfig command and then dhclient from command line |
| 00:51.19 | ech0dish1 | how can i launch a few commands at start up |
| 00:51.26 | ech0dish1 | so i don't have to type these |
| 00:51.59 | ech0dish1 | i require, sudo rmmod ssb, modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 00:52.06 | cupantae | Lagbolt: ok, thanks for all your help. I might be back if I get it right, but it's bedtime in GMT! |
| 00:52.14 | Lagbolt | :) night |
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| 00:52.34 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, cant get that blacklist to hold eh |
| 00:52.40 | ech0dish1 | nope |
| 00:52.46 | ech0dish1 | not for nothin |
| 00:52.48 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, you can cause ndiswrapper to load if you just add it to /etc/modules |
| 00:52.59 | ech0dish1 | i did |
| 00:53.02 | ech0dish1 | and it conflicts |
| 00:53.04 | ech0dish1 | with ssb |
| 00:53.14 | ech0dish1 | needs to be loaded without ssb up |
| 00:54.12 | ech0dish1 | i need a custom bash script or something to go a start up |
| 00:54.19 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, i dont know everyone feels in here about it but i just deleted ssb.ko and did a depmod. solved the problem |
| 00:54.24 | Tramp | !tell ech0dish1 about run at boot |
| 00:54.27 | Lagbolt | but then you wont have that module :) |
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| 00:54.46 | Lagbolt | not sure why it wont blacklist |
| 00:55.06 | ech0dish1 | i renamed them |
| 00:55.28 | ech0dish1 | but it didn't work |
| 00:55.29 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, renamed them eh. like to ssb.ko.no |
| 00:55.38 | ech0dish1 | yeah |
| 00:55.42 | ech0dish1 | ssb.ko.backup |
| 00:55.55 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, did you "depmod -a" |
| 00:56.00 | ech0dish1 | nope |
| 00:56.10 | ech0dish1 | have to after renaming? |
| 00:56.18 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, i dont know how ubuntu does the initramfs, they might be in there. if so you cant blacklist until you remove them from there |
| 00:56.40 | LeoDing | debian lé¢]\nny |
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| 00:57.39 | ech0dish1 | b43 is blacklisted successfully |
| 00:57.50 | ce_geek | Lagbolt: Any chance you could post the output of mplayer when you play a .mov file? |
| 00:57.56 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, ssb might be in it tho |
| 00:58.10 | Lagbolt | ce_geek, i dont have a mov handy |
| 00:58.16 | ech0dish1 | i don't know what "it" is |
| 00:58.35 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, it is initramfs |
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| 01:00.06 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, ssb is in my initramfs |
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| 01:00.17 | Lagbolt | but b43 is not so that is why you can blacklist it |
| 01:00.42 | ech0dish1 | i don't see how to remove it from initramfs |
| 01:00.47 | LeoDing | which OS supporting wireless as well between debian and ubuntu>? |
| 01:01.17 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, well you can rebuild it. i dont remember where to tell it what modules NOT to put in it |
| 01:01.48 | ech0dish1 | sounds easier to just add a few commands to start up somehow |
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| 01:02.14 | ech0dish1 | might be dirty but i don't care really |
| 01:02.18 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, that is not learning tho. maybe since you renamed the module and done depmod -a you can recreate it and it will help |
| 01:02.44 | vyrus001 | how do i enable 2 subnets to talk to each other using netfilter? |
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| 01:02.58 | ech0dish1 | well i would like to learn how to add commands at start up lol |
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| 01:03.03 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, try "sudo update-initramfs -k all -c" |
| 01:03.11 | ech0dish1 | k |
| 01:03.24 | Lagbolt | ech0dish1, someone did a thing for start up scripts earlier, i dont recall what it was tho |
| 01:03.33 | Lagbolt | i need to get going tho. good luck |
| 01:03.41 | ech0dish1 | thanks for your help |
| 01:04.12 | Lagbolt | np |
| 01:10.40 | jhamlin | hey folks I'm setting up debian-multimedia repo with etch and when I follow dpkg's instructions I get: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907. Is this a problem? |
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| 01:12.51 | OBcecado | jhamlin: did you even bother reading the site ? |
| 01:12.59 | OBcecado | it has info about what you're asking |
| 01:13.05 | abrotman | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 01:13.06 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add - |
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| 01:13.57 | jhamlin | OBcecado: No I didn't bother reading the site I just did what dpkg said. |
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| 01:14.16 | abrotman | reading the site might help |
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| 01:17.42 | jhamlin | OBcecado: so I read the site and it says: Install the debian-multimedia-keyring package with apt-get "apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring". Does this mean I need to install the keyring with apt-get and not aptitude? |
| 01:18.10 | OBcecado | do as you please, as long as it gets installed |
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| 01:19.55 | jhamlin | OBcecado: okay no biggie but dpkg's instructions result in the "error" which I gave above... |
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| 01:23.07 | smacnay | maybe a dumb question, but does a computer need a keyboard and mouse plugged in to boot? I want to set up an unattended server in my basement but don't need any input device on it now. |
| 01:23.50 | thedonvaughn | smacnay: nope it shouldn't, all though some BIOSs can be set to not boot if no keyboard or mouse. |
| 01:23.50 | Somni | no |
| 01:24.32 | smacnay | thedonvaughn, maybe this computer is set that way... thanks for the hint. |
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| 01:28.44 | bertoli | someone could help me ? i installed again the grub but it didnt start the win partition, just the lnx... i tried everything yet... i wanna know too wats the name of bootloader from debian that shows the big debian logo because it works properly but i dont if it is grub or other bootloader ? |
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| 01:31.49 | Gnu_Raiz | you need to configure menu.lst to show the windows partition, so you can select it to boot. |
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| 01:32.23 | bertoli | Gnu_Raiz, do u know the name of the other bootloader that shows a splash image from debian ?! |
| 01:32.39 | Gnu_Raiz | that is if your windows and linux are on the same drive, if not you need to use root noverify. |
| 01:32.53 | Gnu_Raiz | in debian is it lilo, or grub, |
| 01:33.15 | Gnu_Raiz | but grub can be configured to use splash screens. |
| 01:34.03 | bertoli | probably is grub because i dont have the lilo, but the update-grub didnt find a splash image |
| 01:34.14 | bertoli | i will try again to configure the menu.lst, thknz |
| 01:34.27 | dudeman | hey what sup people of teh #debian |
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| 01:35.14 | smacnay | any recommendations on a podcast grabber? |
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| 01:36.58 | sabayonlive-1448 | i can't compile the drivers for my wireless card , because i don't have the kernel build files in /lib/modules/2.6.15-27-386/build; |
| 01:37.09 | sabayonlive-1448 | what should i do ? |
| 01:37.30 | sabayonlive-1448 | my debian don't have internet acess |
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| 01:40.29 | jpinx | sabayonlive-1448: download to a USB stick or similar? |
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| 01:44.41 | sabayonlive-1448 | jpinx: well the problem is to find the package |
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| 01:45.04 | sabayonlive-1448 | jpinx: if i could find it , i could install it |
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| 01:47.32 | sabayonlive-1448 | does anyone uses ralink ? |
| 01:49.55 | sabayonlive-1448 | what should i do if a package didn't compile ? because of a missing file |
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| 01:52.56 | Aaron_ | hey how come im getting this error Can't locate File Basename.pm |
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| 01:53.47 | carl-m | Aaron_: because Basename.pm is not in the perl include path |
| 01:53.54 | keith80403 | On a different computer, installed with Unstable, aptitude safe-upgrade says "the following packages have been kept back." Each of them has {a} after the package name. Nothing in the aptitude man page - what does this mean? |
| 01:54.06 | Aaron_ | carl-m, that's what i've got on the dist-upgrade |
| 01:54.53 | carl-m | Aaron_: from what to what? |
| 01:55.02 | abrotman | keith80403: IIRC .. it solves a dep |
| 01:55.42 | keith80403 | abrotman, So it's not safe for aptitude to install these "kept back" packages, is that correct? |
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| 01:56.32 | abrotman | it is |
| 01:56.35 | abrotman | !held back |
| 01:56.35 | dpkg | it has been said that kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 Ask me about <dist-upgrade>. |
| 01:56.57 | jpinx | sabayonlive-1448: What are you running ? etch? |
| 01:57.37 | keith80403 | abrotman, Thanks - do you know where I can find out about the <packagename>{a} suffix? Nothing in the aptitude man page. |
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| 01:58.42 | abrotman | aptitude docs? |
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| 01:59.24 | keith80403 | abrotman, Duh, that's right, thanks. I used "dist-upgrade" and many packages are installing now - thanks for your help. |
| 01:59.57 | abrotman | duh indeed! |
| 02:01.08 | sabayonlive-1448 | jpinx: yes |
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| 02:01.54 | sabayonlive-1448 | does debian etch comes with build essentials ? |
| 02:02.15 | jetscreamer | not default |
| 02:02.24 | jetscreamer | install |
| 02:02.32 | jetscreamer | it |
| 02:02.37 | sabayonlive-1448 | jetscreamer: where can i find it ? |
| 02:02.56 | jetscreamer | it's not installed till you aptitude install build-essential |
| 02:03.01 | sabayonlive-1448 | jetscreamer: the cd#1 comes with it ? |
| 02:03.04 | jetscreamer | is eating |
| 02:03.13 | sabayonlive-1448 | jetscreamer: LOL ... |
| 02:03.13 | jetscreamer | ah,... not sure, i'd guess yes |
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| 02:03.34 | jetscreamer | !hat's on cd |
| 02:03.39 | jetscreamer | !what's on cd |
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| 02:03.46 | jetscreamer | some factoid has how to tell |
| 02:04.08 | sabayonlive-1448 | does anyone knows if cd#1 comes with build essentials ? |
| 02:04.50 | Aaron_ | how can i fixed this error http://pastebin.ca/1193262 |
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| 02:06.03 | dudeman | jetscreamer, |
| 02:06.06 | dudeman | jetscreamer, yo dude |
| 02:06.16 | dudeman | jetscreamer, I am now the proud owner of www.opensourcewebdevelopment.info :) |
| 02:06.31 | sabayonlive-1448 | jetscreamer: thanks ... but i think it comes with it , but they did not install it by default ... =/ ..lame |
| 02:06.31 | dudeman | jetscreamer, and I shall be hosting it on your server |
| 02:06.39 | Aaron_ | how can i fixed this error http://pastebin.ca/1193262 |
| 02:06.40 | Aaron_ | ? |
| 02:06.42 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:06.47 | sabayonlive-1448 | dudeman: jetscreamer is eating |
| 02:06.50 | dudeman | so |
| 02:07.08 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 02:07.16 | dudeman | Aaron_, first you need to set yoru locales i think |
| 02:07.22 | Aaron_ | hmm okey |
| 02:07.22 | dudeman | Aaron_, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:07.30 | dudeman | Aaron_, 2ndly, what is gs-common |
| 02:07.38 | Aaron_ | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 02:07.42 | jetscreamer | ghostscript iirc |
| 02:07.44 | sabayonlive-1448 | dudeman: he will drop some food on his keyboard =P |
| 02:07.47 | carl-m | Aaron_: make sure that your perl packages are installed |
| 02:07.55 | jetscreamer | apt-get install --reinstall locales |
| 02:08.01 | carl-m | File::Copy should be in the basic perl package |
| 02:08.04 | dudeman | there ya go |
| 02:08.08 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:08.14 | jetscreamer | or dpkg --reconfigure -a |
| 02:08.19 | dudeman | jetscreamer, yeh so i got that domain and gonna seriously start that site |
| 02:08.20 | Aaron_ | i can't im getthing that error again jetscreamer |
| 02:08.22 | dudeman | spread the word too |
| 02:08.24 | dudeman | :) |
| 02:08.33 | carl-m | the locale error can be ignored in the short term |
| 02:08.40 | sabayonlive-1448 | what site ? |
| 02:08.55 | dudeman | www.opensourcewebdevelopment.info |
| 02:09.03 | dudeman | I just bought it like 5 minutes ago |
| 02:09.10 | jetscreamer | http://www.opensourcewebdevelopment.info/ |
| 02:09.15 | sabayonlive-1448 | nive |
| 02:09.18 | Somni | File::Copy is in perl-modules, which is a required package |
| 02:09.20 | sabayonlive-1448 | nice* |
| 02:09.41 | dudeman | i think I'm gonna open my own channel |
| 02:09.46 | dudeman | now that I should |
| 02:09.50 | magyar | is there any support for wireless keyboards in debian (battery status) ? |
| 02:12.21 | foug | will an iptables tutorial written for sarge work in etch? I'm looking at http://wiki.kartbuilding.net/index.php/Iptables_Firewall |
| 02:12.51 | abrotman | tutorial about what? |
| 02:12.54 | dondelelcaro | foug: it should |
| 02:12.58 | foug | abrotman: iptables |
| 02:13.08 | foug | dondelelcaro: ok cool |
| 02:13.20 | abrotman | meant more specifically |
| 02:13.41 | foug | shit i dunno how to answer that, i'm new to all of it. Just setting sit up for a web/file server i suppose |
| 02:15.26 | abrotman | i can't recall for sure .. but i think the example initscript is gone in etch |
| 02:15.35 | foug | hmm |
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| 02:16.24 | beardy | foug: Have a look at firehol instead, unless you want to/have to really understand iptables. |
| 02:16.28 | beardy | !firehol |
| 02:16.39 | foug | beardy: i'd like to understand iptables, yes |
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| 02:17.09 | beardy | foug: Then start reading the documentation. |
| 02:17.15 | foug | :) |
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| 02:17.37 | foug | of course, i was just wondering if i could use a sarge guide in etch. Having trouble finding an etch specific howto on iptables |
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| 02:19.14 | Somni | iptables usage is more dependant on the kernel, not the distribution |
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| 02:19.25 | foug | allright |
| 02:21.37 | beardy | foug: You'll probably be alright starting with that one. |
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| 02:22.31 | beardy | Though I don't like the way that guy is commenting, or where he has written that.. |
| 02:22.50 | dondelelcaro | foug: what in particular do you want to do with iptables? |
| 02:23.02 | foug | dondelelcaro: secure my web/file server |
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| 02:24.02 | adr3nalin3_ | hello everybody. Is there a simple way to upgrade the kernel on debian etch? I am getting a kernel panic with a digium zaptel module I am running. Thanks. |
| 02:24.33 | abrotman | there is a .24 available |
| 02:24.40 | abrotman | apt-cache search etchnhalf |
| 02:25.16 | beardy | foug: Again I suggest you use firehol to do that, if that is in any way in "production" or dear to you. And play with iptables, to learn, on a network you fully control. |
| 02:26.01 | foug | beardy: allright cool, i'll download it. |
| 02:26.15 | adr3nalin3_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:27.32 | jair | how do I find out if DMA is on on my scsi hadr drive? I was trying to use the command: "hdparm /dev/sda" |
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| 02:27.57 | almondbrot | hi guys, i have a serious problem. i tried to install debian via netinst on a dell inspiron with vista. first didn't work at all, finally worked after i changed SATA mode from IDE to RAID. now things went fine until the grub install. grub somehow failed to install, now neither windows nor linux boots. |
| 02:27.58 | beardy | jair: hdparm is only for IDE afaik, so that's why that doesn't work. |
| 02:28.07 | almondbrot | how can i boot manually, btw? i know that vmlinuz is on /dev/sda5 |
| 02:28.17 | almondbrot | and i can boot debian from the CD |
| 02:28.41 | jair | beardy: Thank you for the hint |
| 02:28.46 | jair | beardy: no wonder :) |
| 02:29.20 | beardy | jair: :) I don't have any scsi drives myself, so never come across it, but I'm sure there's something doing what you want. |
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| 02:30.27 | xdr | is there any way I can make luks read from a file instead of getting the key from keyboard input? |
| 02:31.05 | adr3nalin3_ | abrotman: Is this something that can be done by doing an apt-get install etchnhalf kernel? |
| 02:31.20 | adr3nalin3_ | ^^ not exact, with arch and all that |
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| 02:34.06 | abrotman | you asked for a newer kernel |
| 02:34.13 | beardy | jair: Possible the package scsitools. |
| 02:34.19 | beardy | Possibly* |
| 02:34.59 | jair | beardy: I will have to check it out and see what it does |
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| 02:35.23 | jair | beardy: I just want to have the cloning server running at the maximum performance |
| 02:35.42 | jair | I am setting up a clonezilla GNU/Linux server for massive clonning |
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| 02:36.10 | icedtea | are acls enabled on ext3 file systems by default now? |
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| 02:36.37 | beardy | jair: Ok.. well, check the package description. "scsiinfo: displays SCSI drive low-level information and modifies SCSI drive settings" |
| 02:36.51 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 02:37.03 | bbelt16ag | what can I use for a virtual machine in debian etch?? |
| 02:37.09 | jdavis | I have an "~/.ssh/id_rsa" but now ssh asks me for the password to unlock it every time. How do I make ssh use the keyring? |
| 02:37.12 | beardy | bbelt16ag: virtualbox |
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| 02:37.15 | bbelt16ag | is there a version of virtualbox ? |
| 02:37.19 | bbelt16ag | what's it called |
| 02:37.26 | amphi | bbelt16ag: qemu is there |
| 02:37.35 | bbelt16ag | eck |
| 02:37.39 | bbelt16ag | I would rather you vmware |
| 02:37.43 | icedtea | !etch |
| 02:37.43 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). Ask me about <stable>. currently <4.0r4>, or the Etch-A-Sketch magic screen |
| 02:37.46 | bbelt16ag | virtualbox |
| 02:38.48 | beardy | bbelt16ag: Virtualbox isn't packaged it seems, no.. well, qemu, as said, or usermodelinux. |
| 02:39.00 | jair | beardy: I will |
| 02:39.04 | jair | beardy: Thank you |
| 02:39.06 | bbelt16ag | oh ok I found the repo for it for debian packages |
| 02:39.07 | bbelt16ag | woot |
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| 02:39.43 | bbelt16ag | eck |
| 02:39.51 | beardy | bbelt16ag: Probably they have a package yes. But you're on your own with non-official packages. |
| 02:39.57 | bbelt16ag | right I got it |
| 02:40.33 | beardy | jair: You're welcome, good luck. |
| 02:40.48 | abrotman | i thought virtualbox was at bpo ? |
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| 02:42.05 | seer | hey guys, i have a problem, my latop started freezing since 2 days back and i dont know why |
| 02:42.15 | bbelt16ag | gah |
| 02:42.30 | seer | i have checked my ram with memtester |
| 02:42.33 | seer | its fine |
| 02:42.38 | seer | http://pastebin.com/m2b37606c |
| 02:42.52 | beardy | seer: Is the fan(s) broken? |
| 02:43.01 | seer | my logs show nothing other then a harddrive is 47C |
| 02:43.07 | seer | i dont think so |
| 02:43.11 | seer | how hot should it be? |
| 02:43.23 | seer | # |
| 02:43.24 | seer | Sep 4 02:50:04 myhost hddtemp[3443]: /dev/sda: HITACHI HTS722020K9SA00: 47 C |
| 02:43.30 | seer | that too much? |
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| 02:43.42 | beardy | Preferebly 5C ;) |
| 02:43.48 | seer | 5?? |
| 02:43.56 | beardy | seer: No, that should be ok.. but what about your cpu temperature? |
| 02:44.02 | beardy | A joke. |
| 02:44.06 | seer | oh ok |
| 02:44.08 | seer | :) |
| 02:44.16 | pstickne | hello, (how) is it possible to install pthread-lib32 in a 64-bit system? |
| 02:44.31 | seer | how do i check that |
| 02:44.42 | seer | i used a gui tool im in console now |
| 02:45.13 | beardy | seer: Well, first by noticing if the case is very hot, and if your fan is running? |
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| 02:45.32 | seer | yes its kinda hot not very very bad |
| 02:45.34 | beardy | seer: Or if it's hot, and the fan isn't running. |
| 02:45.37 | seer | the fan is running |
| 02:45.41 | seer | i can hear it |
| 02:45.51 | seer | not blowing very much |
| 02:46.22 | seer | i think its working as it always has |
| 02:46.26 | beardy | seer: That can be one reason anyway. Have you run memtest86+, for atleast a couple of testrounds? |
| 02:46.32 | seer | yes memtest |
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| 02:46.41 | seer | i did that last night it was fine |
| 02:46.48 | SJrX | Anyone here a modem expert, I'm kinda stuck with something on a non-debian system but no one knows anything about modems anymore. |
| 02:46.54 | bbelt16ag | is qemu more userfriendly then virtualbox? |
| 02:47.05 | seer | bbelt16ag: no |
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| 02:47.26 | hwdyki | how can i determine what files a package in a repository (ie. not yet installed into the system) contain? |
| 02:47.45 | seer | go to /var/cache/archive/ |
| 02:47.48 | seer | find the package |
| 02:47.59 | pstickne | hwdyki: use apt-file |
| 02:48.00 | seer | unpack the file |
| 02:48.02 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 02:48.05 | seer | oh cool |
| 02:48.27 | seer | pstickne: ,) |
| 02:48.29 | seer | ;) |
| 02:48.30 | beardy | SJrX: Try #hardware perhaps, or #networking.. thanks for saying that it wasn't on Debian. But go ahead then, let's hear your question. |
| 02:48.32 | pstickne | it's an awesome utility :p |
| 02:48.39 | seer | beardy: anymore hints? |
| 02:48.43 | SJrX | I have an 8 port modem, internally hooked up on a machine. When I do `cat /dev/ttyG0_00&` then `echo "ATQ\n" > /dev/ttyG0_00` I see a response. I also have an external modem on COM1 hooked up. When I send data to it, the light blinks. But when I do `cat /dev/ttyS0&` then `echo "ATQ\n" > /dev/ttyS0` I get nothing. Any ideas? |
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| 02:48.58 | hwdyki | pstickne: thanks. |
| 02:49.07 | SJrX | Basically I can't figure out how to setup the serial port for this, and every doc I find on google seems horribly out of date, (i.e. 2.0 kernel) |
| 02:49.11 | beardy | SJrX: Try with minicom. |
| 02:49.19 | SJrX | This should work before minicom |
| 02:49.34 | SJrX | I was using minicom before, but this is a preq first. Minicom can't do anything with the modem. |
| 02:49.39 | seer | SJrX: why on earth are you using a modem? |
| 02:49.52 | seer | nothing better around? |
| 02:50.02 | SJrX | I work in a company that does dial up ISP stuff, and this linux box does some tests. |
| 02:50.09 | seer | cool |
| 02:50.11 | SJrX | but the existing modem is finicky |
| 02:50.17 | SJrX | So I'm trying these external ones |
| 02:50.42 | seer | i miss dialups a bit |
| 02:50.49 | SJrX | unfortunately, I had no choice but to put FC on it, argh |
| 02:50.53 | seer | i remember how much fun it was to be "online" |
| 02:50.58 | seer | now its just something normal |
| 02:50.59 | beardy | SJrX: Is that the exact echo(1) you do? |
| 02:51.07 | SJrX | yup |
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| 02:51.11 | SJrX | it works for one, and not for the other |
| 02:51.12 | beardy | SJrX: You need -e to have the \n interpreted. |
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| 02:51.28 | seer | beardy: # |
| 02:51.34 | seer | so this Sep 4 02:50:04 myhost hddtemp[3443]: /dev/sda: HITACHI HTS722020K9SA00: 47 C |
| 02:51.37 | seer | is normal? |
| 02:51.42 | seer | thats the last error i get |
| 02:51.55 | \amethyst | that's not an error, but that does seem a little high for a hard drive |
| 02:52.07 | beardy | seer: I don't know if it's normal.. oh, before it dies? Well that sounds like a very possible reason then? |
| 02:52.21 | SJrX | really beardy that's weird, as the other modem responds, without it. BUt I tried that and still nothing comes back. |
| 02:52.33 | seer | Sep 3 02:44:19 meow hddtemp[19393]: /dev/sda: HITACHI HTS722020K9SA00: 52 C |
| 02:52.35 | seer | hey 52 |
| 02:52.40 | beardy | SJrX: Yes, just telling you what I think of. |
| 02:52.41 | seer | thats alot no? |
| 02:52.54 | seer | who would know these kinds of things, temperatures on harddrives |
| 02:53.18 | \amethyst | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000748.html |
| 02:53.25 | \amethyst | says they're usually rated to 55 |
| 02:53.34 | beardy | seer: Check the manufacturers site, for recommended temperatures? |
| 02:53.51 | seer | hehe seriously? |
| 02:53.53 | seer | ok |
| 02:54.03 | beardy | seer: Or well, possibly dangerous ones. Yes, very seriously. |
| 02:54.20 | seer | dangerous? |
| 02:54.40 | beardy | Too high ones. |
| 02:54.40 | \amethyst | for the life span of the device, anyway. Though 52 is likely to be (barely) within spec |
| 02:55.21 | seer | oh |
| 02:55.26 | seer | well my machines freezes |
| 02:55.36 | seer | i cant do jack |
| 02:56.05 | \amethyst | seer: what do your motherboard temperature sensors say? |
| 02:56.25 | \amethyst | seer: because CPU or chipset overheating can cause random freezes like that |
| 02:56.48 | \amethyst | and from the hard drive sensors it sounds like your case has poor airflow |
| 02:56.51 | beardy | seer: If you haven't got any sensor reader isntalled, or support for it in your kernel, check if your bios has a temperature monitor. |
| 02:56.57 | seer | its not the cpu |
| 02:57.01 | seer | my cpu is max 50 |
| 02:57.26 | seer | and its one of those new santarosa ones |
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| 02:57.42 | seer | they should be able to take up to 100 i read |
| 02:57.56 | beardy | Maybe it's 101. Check. |
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| 02:58.07 | seer | hehe |
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| 02:58.21 | seer | i cant find my harddrive spec |
| 02:58.24 | seer | on their site |
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| 03:00.12 | lkthomas | hey guys, our company is using msn to communicate with each others, but some user got virus and sending virus link to others, is it possible to filter those link out ? |
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| 03:00.43 | beardy | bbelt16ag: virtualbox is backported |
| 03:01.04 | beardy | bbelt16ag: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 03:01.25 | beardy | lkthomas: In what way does this relate do Debian? |
| 03:01.40 | lkthomas | I want to know if there have any software on linux could deal with it |
| 03:01.58 | beardy | Educate your stupid users. |
| 03:02.51 | Malf | lkthomas: Also typically those viruses focus on issues in the specific client so you may want to look at other programs that support the msn protocol besides msn messenger |
| 03:03.18 | beardy | Like pidgin. |
| 03:03.27 | lkthomas | Malf, yes, we are planning to use jabber |
| 03:03.56 | abrotman | lkthomas: is the IM server running debian? is the client on debian? |
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| 03:04.16 | seer | how does one fix a problem you dont have a log for? |
| 03:04.20 | lkthomas | abrotman, server |
| 03:04.32 | beardy | Of course it isn't.. |
| 03:04.34 | lkthomas | abrotman, and I am thinking if we could use a proxy to filter those link |
| 03:04.36 | abrotman | lkthomas: the IM server runs debian? there's a MSN server for debian ? |
| 03:04.54 | beardy | seer: Quite a wide question. |
| 03:04.56 | lkthomas | don't be stupid my friend |
| 03:05.02 | abrotman | then why are you asking here? |
| 03:05.17 | lkthomas | I am asking if you guys got any idea on this |
| 03:05.26 | abrotman | ask MS |
| 03:05.28 | beardy | And you are already on our nerves. |
| 03:05.36 | seer | me? |
| 03:05.40 | beardy | seer: No. |
| 03:06.20 | beardy | seer: Well, either you try other methods, or try to run something that gives you log output.. to atleast see when it happened.. try to be more specific? |
| 03:06.43 | seer | yes but what would give me logoutput i wonder |
| 03:06.57 | dondelelcaro | seer: depends on what the problem is |
| 03:07.11 | seer | it does not seem to be the temperature of the hardrive i see restarts at 43C |
| 03:07.34 | dondelelcaro | seer: are you looking at the temperature of the components? or the drive? |
| 03:07.46 | dondelelcaro | seer: cpu overheating can often cause "interesting" failures |
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| 03:08.08 | beardy | Is lmsensors in his ethnahalf kernel? |
| 03:08.25 | dondelelcaro | it's in all debian kernels |
| 03:08.33 | beardy | Good. |
| 03:08.36 | dondelelcaro | ('course, you have to load the right modules...) |
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| 03:08.57 | beardy | ..which atleast are there, you mean? |
| 03:09.04 | dondelelcaro | right |
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| 03:11.16 | seer | well |
| 03:11.21 | seer | cpus are below 60 |
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| 03:11.49 | seer | mostly around 56 - 59 |
| 03:11.58 | seer | casing is like 36 |
| 03:12.03 | seer | 38 in areas |
| 03:12.15 | seer | disk is 44 |
| 03:12.23 | orzo | i use ssh and would like to have audio transmit to my local box. What's a good way to get that done? |
| 03:12.34 | dondelelcaro | seer: how are you measuring the temperature of the cpus? |
| 03:12.37 | dudeman | thats interesting |
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| 03:12.48 | dudeman | orzo, I tried to figure it out once but was unable to do so |
| 03:12.52 | kgoetz | looks at lenny's Debian-Installer - i *like* the splash screen. a lot. |
| 03:12.55 | dondelelcaro | orzo: there are tons of ways; really depends on what you're doing |
| 03:13.00 | seer | i used that kde gui |
| 03:13.02 | seer | ksim |
| 03:13.28 | beardy | orzo: Good and good.. you can use one of the sound daemons, artsd.. esound and what they are all called. |
| 03:13.31 | dudeman | orzo, I did however have luck with ssh -X, and on remote machine, tell it to use a sound server on your local machine |
| 03:13.54 | dudeman | artsd sucks in this regard though. esound is very slow and choppy. pulseaudio has good performance |
| 03:14.00 | orzo | a sound server? you mean teh daemons beardy is talking about? |
| 03:14.05 | dudeman | yes |
| 03:14.06 | beardy | orzo: Yes. |
| 03:14.42 | dudeman | for example, I'd start amarok on my laptop, while I'm on desktop, and I'd tell laptop to use desktop as a remote sound server |
| 03:14.43 | orzo | hm |
| 03:14.49 | orzo | esd is apparently already running on my local box |
| 03:14.58 | dudeman | send sound output to that over the network instead of to local device |
| 03:15.00 | dudeman | I think |
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| 03:15.08 | dudeman | I can't remember, that was years back in oklahoma i did that |
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| 03:15.33 | kgoetz | sigh. but it Doesnt Work. oh well, i guess my hardware is fucked. |
| 03:15.43 | orzo | esd = esound |
| 03:15.59 | seer | kgoetz: mine too :( |
| 03:16.01 | alberto | Hi, i can only launch network manager as root, how can I change that? thanks. |
| 03:16.05 | dudeman | enlightened sound daemon |
| 03:16.07 | dudeman | :D |
| 03:16.14 | seer | my box freezes :( |
| 03:16.41 | kgoetz | seer: :( |
| 03:16.46 | dudeman | kgoetz, debian lenny has a splash now? |
| 03:16.56 | dudeman | hasn't installed debian in a long time |
| 03:17.21 | dudeman | you mean on cdrom? or kernel boot? like ubuntu. That would suck. I hate bootsplashes |
| 03:17.26 | kgoetz | dudeman: i' refering the installer boot menu+screen |
| 03:17.30 | dudeman | oh |
| 03:17.41 | dudeman | yeh, thats always nice, it used to be red smoke circle on black bg |
| 03:17.44 | dudeman | has that changed now? |
| 03:19.34 | kgoetz | i like the way the menu+text+logo sits, cant really explain it |
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| 03:21.11 | orzo | guess esd is running but its not listening on any port |
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| 03:24.11 | wad | Hi. My file server has debian etch installed on a 500GB SATA drive, but I'm going to group all five of the 500GB SATA drives into a software raid, so I've installed a 40GB IDE drive. I've got the partitions cleared off the 40GB drive, but I need to move the OS from one of the 500GB drives over to it. |
| 03:25.02 | wad | I've tried booting to knoppix and debian, so I can do it offline, but I have not been successful. Knoppix gives me a kernel panic, and the other disks won't even let me boot to them. |
| 03:25.36 | wad | My question: Should I keep trying to boot to a live disk, or is it straitforward to transfer my OS over to the new disk? |
| 03:25.55 | Aaron_ | dpkg: too many errors, stopping |
| 03:25.55 | Aaron_ | dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:265: process_queue: Assertion `!queue.length' failed.Aborted |
| 03:25.55 | dpkg | Aaron_: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 03:25.56 | dpkg | Aaron_: You are moron #11 |
| 03:26.00 | Aaron_ | how can i fixedthis? |
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| 03:28.34 | alberto | Hi, i can only launch network manager as root, how can I change that? thanks. |
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| 03:33.27 | jpinx | wad: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 03:33.30 | wad | clicks |
| 03:33.43 | jpinx | hth |
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| 03:35.32 | wad | jpinx: Cool, thanks! |
| 03:36.04 | pstickne | how can I install a 32-bit version of the pthreads library? (under 64 bit host) |
| 03:36.55 | Aaron_ | how come im getting this error dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:265: process_queue: Assertion `!queue.length' failed.Aborted |
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| 03:37.17 | mateusz | Hi |
| 03:37.38 | mateusz | I have a problem with make-kpkg lynx http://pastebin.com/f2daecee4 |
| 03:37.49 | mateusz | how to change every string in directory in everyfile for another one? |
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| 03:40.17 | gonzaloaf | hello, I used fdisk to fix partition order, after reboot I have now grub error 17, how can I solve that? |
| 03:40.20 | alberto | Hi, i can only launch network manager as root, how can I change that? thanks. |
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| 03:46.55 | Aaron_ | how come im getting this error dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:265: process_queue: Assertion `!queue.length' failed.Aborted |
| 03:47.59 | jescis | what package(s) do I need to get full X. All I get right now is a xterm and a message that says it couldn't load the session :/ |
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| 03:48.42 | kgoetz | jescis: sound slike full x to me |
| 03:49.58 | jescis | kgoetz, to me full X is with the desktop and at least one panel |
| 03:50.21 | kgoetz | jescis: sounds like you want a window manager and desktop environment on top of your x |
| 03:50.34 | kgoetz | something like `apt-get install gnome-desktop` |
| 03:50.59 | Aaron_ | how come im getting this error dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:265: process_queue: Assertion `!queue.length' failed.Aborted |
| 03:51.03 | peterrooney | alberto: would sudo be sufficient? |
| 03:51.06 | Aaron_ | how can i fixed this? |
| 03:51.14 | kgoetz | Aaron_: because you havent fixed it. |
| 03:51.18 | xdr | so that's how to get an answer, I'll nick something girly next time I need help |
| 03:51.23 | kgoetz | Aaron_: where do you get that error? |
| 03:51.24 | Aaron_ | how do i fixed it |
| 03:51.30 | Aaron_ | kgoetz, join #flood |
| 03:51.48 | kgoetz | Aaron_: i'd rather a pastebin if posible |
| 03:51.59 | kgoetz | xdr: or have a qustion people know the answer to |
| 03:52.08 | kgoetz | xdr: did you have one? |
| 03:52.15 | kgoetz | doesnt see on |
| 03:52.47 | mateusz | how to change version of package in every debian/* file ? |
| 03:52.56 | mateusz | control, changelog etc.. |
| 03:53.05 | kgoetz | !mentors |
| 03:53.05 | dpkg | somebody said mentors was the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 03:53.05 | Aaron_ | kgoetz, http://pastebin.ca/1193327 |
| 03:53.40 | Aaron_ | kgoetz, http://pastebin.ca/1193327 |
| 03:54.29 | xdr | was something about luks but I've forgot it |
| 03:55.02 | Aaron_ | you saw it kgoetz ? |
| 03:55.23 | mateusz | kgoetz: nobody's there |
| 03:55.38 | kgoetz | Aaron_: i'm helping between my work, so yes |
| 03:56.03 | kgoetz | Aaron_: what are you trying to do? |
| 03:56.09 | kgoetz | mateusz: you sure? |
| 03:56.11 | Aaron_ | kgoetz, trying to fixed my system |
| 03:56.16 | Aaron_ | ive done apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:56.20 | Aaron_ | but im getting that error |
| 03:56.27 | kgoetz | mateusz: theres people there that i can see |
| 03:56.37 | kgoetz | Aaron_: how did you break it? |
| 03:56.40 | mateusz | kgoetz: afk people |
| 03:56.45 | mateusz | kgoetz: or maybe bots |
| 03:56.50 | Aaron_ | kgoetz, i actually. passed from etch to lenny |
| 03:57.06 | kgoetz | mateusz: yes, people dont talk all the time |
| 03:57.19 | kgoetz | Aaron_: aaah. |
| 03:57.20 | mateusz | kgoetz: can you help a bit ? |
| 03:57.25 | kgoetz | Aaron_: perhaps pastebin your sources.list |
| 03:57.41 | Aaron_ | kgoetz, is just a bug |
| 03:58.14 | mateusz | kgoetz: this is a problem that I am getting when I try to make-kpkg on git's kernel http://pastebin.com/f2daecee4 |
| 03:59.12 | alberto | Hi, i can only launch network manager as root, how can I change that? thanks. |
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| 03:59.40 | alberto | peterrooney: no... |
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| 04:00.04 | alberto | peterrooney: first of all, 3 weeks ago, it was automatically launched in gnome at start, as "normal user" |
| 04:00.08 | alberto | not now |
| 04:00.22 | alberto | ni etch is launched as user, still |
| 04:00.22 | kgoetz | mateusz: looiks like it could be a code issue, not a kpkg issue |
| 04:00.27 | alberto | but in lenny it changed |
| 04:00.31 | kgoetz | Aaron_: you may have to forc einstall some tuff |
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| 04:01.08 | mateusz | kgoetz: where everywhere in debian/* like control, changelook I see strange versions.. is there a way to change that ? |
| 04:01.40 | mateusz | kgoetz: because dch probably changes only changelog right? |
| 04:01.50 | kgoetz | mateusz: why are the versions strange? |
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| 04:02.16 | kgoetz | afk for a bit, got to make a call |
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| 04:02.42 | mateusz | kgoetz: 2.6.27-rc4-gem-01373-g7297294-01373-g7297294-dirty |
| 04:02.57 | mateusz | kgoetz: does not look normal it should be something like 2.6.26-rc4 |
| 04:03.19 | lewis2 | I have eth0 in my interfaces file, then a bunch of virtual IPs starting with eth0:0, eth0:1, etc. In etch, the system used the eth0 IP address when connecting 'out', whereas lenny uses eth0:0. Is this correct? |
| 04:03.38 | jescis | kgoetz, thanks. now to restart x :/ |
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| 04:06.49 | kgoetz | mateusz: not necesarily. that version could be perfectly correct. |
| 04:06.57 | kgoetz | mateusz: i dont know the details of your case, so i cant say for sure |
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| 04:07.21 | kgoetz | lewis2: has your default route changed? |
| 04:07.46 | lewis2 | oooh |
| 04:08.00 | lewis2 | where do you set your default route? |
| 04:09.13 | kgoetz | not sure in lenny, sorry. |
| 04:09.23 | keith4__ | I tried to boot a debian box that hasn't been on in a few months. I get a grub error 2 after "loading stage 1.5". fine, whatever. I boot knoppix, mount /dev/hda1 at /media/hda1, and try to run grub-install. I swear this used to work. Am I missing something? http://pastebin.com/m44fcd092 |
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| 04:10.25 | keith4__ | would the debian installer CD do any better? |
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| 04:13.17 | jescis | I'm still getting nothing and I have XDMCP chooser and there was no server found :/ |
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| 04:13.59 | kgoetz | jescis: do you have gdm installed? |
| 04:15.01 | jescis | kgoetz, I have gdm |
| 04:15.09 | kgoetz | hm. |
| 04:15.15 | kgoetz | i'm out of obvious suggestions then :/ |
| 04:15.58 | jescis | kgoetz, II'm thinking of restarting the whole computer |
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| 04:17.02 | alberto | I need root for launching network manager applet in gnome, I am using debian lenny, 3 weeks ago, it was launched at startup as normal user and required pass only for advanced managing but not for connecting other networks, How can I change that? |
| 04:17.02 | jescis | or using dpkg to reconfigure X |
| 04:17.14 | dudeman | !mbr |
| 04:17.14 | dpkg | i heard mbr is the Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. to install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of lilo if it is in the mbr) from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr"; from linux "install-mbr /dev/hda", or ask me about <fixmbr> |
| 04:17.19 | alberto | I want it again for normal user |
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| 04:17.56 | WickedMetalHead | is there any good way to uninstall all packages that arnt a part of debian base install? >.> |
| 04:17.56 | dudeman | !fixgrub |
| 04:17.57 | dpkg | methinks fixgrub is As root: mkdir /mnt/point ; mount -t <fstype> -orw /dev/blah /mnt/point (where /blah = your / partition) ; mount --bind /dev /mnt/point/dev ; mount --bind /proc /mnt/point/proc ; chroot /mnt/point ; grub-install /dev/blah (to install in MBR) |
| 04:18.22 | dudeman | !reinstall grub |
| 04:18.23 | dpkg | [reinstall grub] documented at http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover and http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html, or <fixmbr> |
| 04:18.41 | alberto | can someone help please |
| 04:18.43 | dudeman | WickedMetalHead, what do you mean |
| 04:18.47 | alberto | I need root for launching network manager applet in gnome, I am using debian lenny, 3 weeks ago, it was launched at startup as normal user and required pass only for advanced managing but not for connecting other networks |
| 04:18.58 | dudeman | WickedMetalHead, other than removing stuff manually I dont' think so |
| 04:19.11 | alberto | how can I put it again for normal user? |
| 04:19.43 | kgoetz | alberto: what did you change? |
| 04:19.44 | dudeman | alberto, perhaps its a gnome issue |
| 04:20.08 | WickedMetalHead | hm don't suppose any way to reinstall debian remotely when i only have ssh either >.> |
| 04:20.23 | dudeman | yes there is |
| 04:20.27 | alberto | kgoetz: I dist-upgraded |
| 04:20.28 | dudeman | !debootstrap |
| 04:20.29 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
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| 04:20.45 | WickedMetalHead | oh handy |
| 04:20.48 | alberto | dudeman: maybe, but I dont know what is the issue... |
| 04:20.55 | dudeman | alberto, me neither! |
| 04:21.34 | alberto | :) |
| 04:23.34 | keith4__ | dudeman: sounds like a good idea. same results, though. http://pastebin.com/m322199ac |
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| 04:33.14 | keith4__ | weird. doing it manually from the grub shell seems to work |
| 04:33.20 | keith4__ | let's see if it boots |
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| 04:38.46 | mateusz | kgoetz: how does make-kpkg check if kernel is from git? |
| 04:39.04 | kgoetz | mateusz: i dont know, i've not usd it |
| 04:39.06 | kgoetz | *used |
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| 04:40.15 | ragix | what has replaced flashplayer-nonfree ? |
| 04:40.40 | mu532 | nothing if debian thinks it cannot distribute it |
| 04:40.53 | mu532 | there's a free player somewhere |
| 04:41.03 | \amethyst | ragix: it's in volatile |
| 04:41.05 | \amethyst | !volatile |
| 04:41.05 | dpkg | it has been said that volatile is a project that aims at keeping the stable distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.org/. An example line for your etch sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile etch/volatile main contrib non-free |
| 04:41.34 | ragix | ahh ok, thanks. |
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| 04:41.48 | \amethyst | hmm.. |
| 04:41.49 | kgoetz | *grin*. they dont hide that its volatile do they *g* |
| 04:41.50 | \amethyst | maybe it's not |
| 04:42.04 | mu532 | oh, interesting... are the soundcard firmwares in volatile? |
| 04:43.00 | mu532 | I'm not sure about this, but are some RME drivers (written by rme) GPLed? |
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| 04:43.58 | mu532 | as well as RME firmware |
| 04:46.08 | orzo | /part |
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| 04:56.25 | jescispiiserver | kgoetz, I messed up so I'm reinstalling |
| 04:56.41 | kgoetz | jescispiiserver: ah, bad luck :( how did you messit up? |
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| 04:57.34 | jescispiiserver | by reconfiguring X wrong |
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| 04:57.36 | wols | jescispiiserver: that doesn't mess up the OS that badly to need a reinstall |
| 04:58.03 | jescispiiserver | wols, no But it's the easier way |
| 04:58.10 | wols | not really |
| 04:58.41 | jescispiiserver | I reinstall OSs almost all the time |
| 04:58.42 | jester45 | lol |
| 04:58.54 | jester45 | spots a windows habit |
| 04:59.10 | jescispiiserver | jester45, you are right |
| 04:59.23 | wols | jescispiiserver: then maybe you should start to learn that debian is not windows |
| 04:59.51 | jester45 | jescispiiserver, so... your reinstalling your OS because you dont want to edit a text file? |
| 05:00.28 | jester45 | its your choice |
| 05:00.35 | jescispiiserver | I know *Linux* is not windows. I'm just so darn used to it >:( Darn you Bill gat3s |
| 05:00.58 | kgoetz | remember the force only works on the weak minded :P |
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| 05:03.05 | jescispiiserver | jester45, at the time IO messed up I had no clear choice. Alt+f1 didn't seem to work and I know I messed up because all I got was a black screen |
| 05:03.17 | jescispiiserver | s/IO/I |
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| 05:04.08 | jester45 | a hard reboot also works... unless your running jfs :) |
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| 05:04.55 | jescispiiserver | no, I'm not using jfs |
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| 05:06.01 | jescispiiserver | But at least it also gave me a chance to see the graphical install Debian has ;)\ |
| 05:06.57 | karsten | jescispiiserver: w00t graphical installer ;-) |
| 05:07.05 | karsten | has a new toy to try an install on. |
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| 05:07.28 | cmonk82 | hello |
| 05:08.39 | jescispiiserver | karsten, I kind of like the DOS like installer more. But compared to ubuntu I prefer Debian's installer ;) |
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| 05:11.33 | karsten | jescispiiserver: I prefer chroot mode install myself w/ debootstrap. |
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| 05:11.51 | karsten | jescispiiserver: But I think that's just 'coz I got a soft spot for the guy who wrote the docs. |
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| 05:25.20 | jescispiiserver | Plus I can use one cd for both of my currently working PCs ;) |
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| 05:28.40 | Coke | I have not been able to make nspluginwrapper work on Debian testing AMD64, it still gives the message "nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for ./libflashplayer.so". I've googled this, NONE of the solutions people suggest work. In fact, some of the "solutions" are just speculations and/or wild guesses. Is there an explanation for nspluginwrapper not working and why hasn't it been removed from testing? |
| 05:29.55 | mu532 | I was running amd64 for a minute... |
| 05:30.20 | mu532 | I kept my /home and went back to i386 userland |
| 05:30.53 | mu532 | for my taste, too many things weren't working |
| 05:31.02 | Coke | I've somehow managed to get nspluginwrapper to work at home, but I use a 32-bit firefox. I'd like to make the 32-bit nspluginwrapper work with the Debian testing Iceweasel package. |
| 05:31.38 | Coke | mu532: EVERYTHING works very nicely aside from the browser |
| 05:31.42 | Coke | Even ETQW, NWN and Quake 1 through 4. |
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| 05:32.08 | mu532 | it didn't for me, and to put it politely, I'm choosing to wait quite a while while they get things together |
| 05:33.03 | Coke | Software vendor is waiting for users to make the switch and users are waiting for software vendors to make the switch. |
| 05:33.25 | Coke | Meanwhile, hardware vendors produce EXCELLENT 64-bit hardware available at consumer prices, but only a handful can actually use it. |
| 05:33.25 | mu532 | it's just a thought; maybe things work better now... I'm not ready to find out |
| 05:33.38 | Coke | Like I said, everything works fine except for the browser. |
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| 05:33.53 | Coke | This is what happens when the browsers get bloated, like the Mozilla-based ones. |
| 05:33.59 | mu532 | you'd have to mean everything that you use :) |
| 05:34.26 | Coke | mu532: I use my computer for media, development and gaming. |
| 05:34.31 | Coke | What else is there? :) |
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| 05:34.49 | jescispiiserver | Coke, serving? |
| 05:34.49 | YogivomEck_ | Hallo |
| 05:34.50 | Coke | Mm, oh, there's ONE very important thing missing in the 64-bit repos... |
| 05:34.58 | mu532 | flash crashes in the 32 bit mozilla too, and I'm just not ready to go there |
| 05:35.01 | YogivomEck_ | Hi |
| 05:35.16 | mu532 | I tried for a short time... I went back |
| 05:35.39 | Coke | mu532: yes, it does, but the new firefox forks the flash plugin so you can kill the crashed flash process without killing anything else in firefox |
| 05:35.46 | mu532 | not consistantly or anything, but annoyingly enough |
| 05:35.57 | Coke | mu532: this is a known crash that Adobe blames on Firefox |
| 05:36.17 | mu532 | do you think that pov is controvercial? |
| 05:36.22 | Coke | mu532: although, it is a bug in the Flash vm, Opera and IE overcomes the problem with a similar workaround |
| 05:36.35 | Coke | mu532: "pov"? |
| 05:37.01 | mu532 | so you're saying that in fact adobe pointed away from itself by mistake? |
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| 05:37.14 | Coke | mu532: it was no mistake |
| 05:37.29 | wad | Under knoppix, I used fdisk to set a partition bootable, but it's not booting. Was there something else I must do? I've manually copied over (using rsync -avH) a functional debian install from another disk, I made a swap partition, stuff like that. |
| 05:37.31 | mu532 | so they purposely tried to hide an existing bug |
| 05:37.36 | Coke | mu532: they have a reputation to uphold, so saying "hey, it works fine in Opera and IE" works for them |
| 05:37.45 | sep | wad, installed a bootloader ? |
| 05:37.49 | mu532 | gotcha |
| 05:37.51 | Coke | wad: you need to install the boot loader |
| 05:37.54 | wad | sep: Ah... |
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| 05:38.12 | wad | Wouldn't it already be there? In the /boot directory? |
| 05:38.26 | mu532 | you have to install it |
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| 05:38.46 | wad | Perhaps I don't know exactly what a bootloader is. Some tiny program that goes in some funky place on the disk, perhaps? Sector 0? |
| 05:38.46 | sep | wad, thats just parts of it, you need to install stage1 of grub in the MBR using the grub-install tool |
| 05:38.48 | Coke | mu532: but the new firefox "solution" works ok. In fact, forking each tab (like Chromie and IE8, although the latter is a hybrid) makes for a more stable web experience |
| 05:38.54 | sep | wad, exactly |
| 05:38.55 | Coke | mu532: Although, I say it sucks balls. |
| 05:39.06 | mu532 | it's not enough to have it in the dir; you have to put it in the boot sector (for stage1) and somewhere for stage2 |
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| 05:39.19 | wad | Okay, then! I must install the bootloader. |
| 05:39.21 | Coke | mu532: stability should come from a LEAN, simple, tree of sources with high quality standard, not redundancy |
| 05:39.26 | wad | fools with grub-install |
| 05:39.38 | sep | wad, usualy you have a choise between lilo or grub. if you have /boot/grub it's grub, and if you have /etc/lilo.conf it's lilo |
| 05:39.39 | Coke | wad: that's all you need to do |
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| 05:39.50 | Coke | wad: if you have lilo, switch to grub anyway |
| 05:39.52 | mu532 | wad: I like using install from the grub shell |
| 05:40.05 | Coke | Grub has features lilo does not. |
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| 05:40.17 | Coke | LIke interactive prompt and disk access at boot time |
| 05:40.24 | mu532 | but that's a method that requires knowledge of grub |
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| 05:40.46 | sep | !tell wad about fixmbr |
| 05:40.56 | Coke | Grub is a great piece of software. |
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| 05:41.44 | mu532 | I like grub 1; I'm not sure I'm feeling grub 2 |
| 05:41.48 | Coke | Well, my question regarding nspluginwrapper is really, shouldn't it be removed from testing until it's error free? |
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| 05:41.57 | Coke | The policy of testing is to remove broken packages, right? |
| 05:42.22 | mu532 | it should be |
| 05:42.46 | mu532 | I'm not sure how that policy is altered durine freeze |
| 05:42.55 | sep | Coke, but YOU must write the needed bugreports to make the project aware that it is non functional. |
| 05:43.05 | sep | otherways nobody can know about it |
| 05:43.20 | mu532 | it -should- be that bugs cause packages to shake out |
| 05:43.51 | Coke | sep: it's already been reported |
| 05:43.58 | Coke | sep: a new version is available in Unstable |
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| 05:44.20 | Coke | sep: so the bug/test cycle is going as planned except the broken package remains in testing |
| 05:44.41 | Coke | I'm on testing on my day-to-day work desktop, but I do file bug reports as I find bugs. |
| 05:46.40 | mu532 | you're doing real work on testing? what precautions are you taking? |
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| 05:47.32 | Coke | mu532: our mainframe is a Debian stable, other than that none |
| 05:47.51 | Coke | In fact, Debian UNSTABLE has proven to be more usable and reliable than the Windows XP boxes. |
| 05:48.53 | sep | mu532: thinking |
| 05:49.07 | Coke | We only have one of those left, it suffers from intermittent network connection loss, "freezing" and takes forever to wake up from sleep mode. |
| 05:50.06 | Coke | Hardware problems? Dunno, but dual boot it to Debian unstable and it works fine. It will be a Debian testing once the accounting software is confirmed to run 100% with Wine. |
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| 05:50.21 | wad | When I do this command: grub-install /dev/hda |
| 05:50.24 | Coke | (or we find a software vendor that has accounting software that runs natively on debian 64) |
| 05:50.46 | wad | I get a message that it does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 05:51.01 | wad | Not sure what to make of that one... |
| 05:51.22 | Coke | sep: by the way, the nspluginwrapper bug; http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481270 |
| 05:51.25 | wad | (I'm doing this while chrooted to .dev.hda1) |
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| 05:54.10 | wad | tries some more grub-install stuff. Maybe something will work. |
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| 05:56.32 | n-iCe | does anyone knows a software like movie maker? |
| 05:56.53 | Agrajag- | cinelerra |
| 05:57.05 | n-iCe | ya lo usé, pero no toma las fotos |
| 05:57.13 | n-iCe | Osea no puedo poner fotos, como en movie maker |
| 05:57.27 | wad | No joy. |
| 05:58.00 | wad | grub-install isn't working for me at all. :( |
| 05:58.04 | mu532 | wad, the grub shell and the install command within that shell is quite flexible... |
| 05:58.16 | Lagbolt | n-iCe, what does movie maker do? |
| 05:58.17 | sep | wad, did you read the factoid dpkg told you about |
| 05:58.46 | n-iCe | Lagbolt: I can add photos, videos, etc, to create a video a full video with all the photos videos i added |
| 05:58.51 | mu532 | personally, I like to put stage2 in the chainloader area of either a partition or the whole dirve |
| 05:59.00 | wad | googles his error message. |
| 05:59.06 | wad | sep, yes. |
| 05:59.06 | Lagbolt | n-iCe, you want to make a slide show? |
| 05:59.19 | wad | I get this error: "no corresponding BIOS drive" |
| 05:59.29 | mu532 | hmm |
| 05:59.36 | wad | I did all the steps in the factoid. |
| 05:59.38 | n-iCe | Lagbolt: uhm, yeah |
| 05:59.46 | wad | is googling the message. |
| 05:59.55 | mu532 | how many lines is your /boot/grub/device.map |
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| 06:00.07 | Lagbolt | n-iCe, yeah there are a couple if i remember. let me check. you want to make into a dvd? |
| 06:00.26 | wad | I'm going to try --recheck |
| 06:00.39 | n-iCe | Lagbolt: uhm or a cd :) ! or even just to save in my pc, i will burn it later with brasero |
| 06:01.09 | Lagbolt | n-iCe, you could use qdvdauthor |
| 06:01.13 | mu532 | what does grub-install do about stage2? |
| 06:02.06 | Lagbolt | n-iCe, if you go to freshmeat.net and search for "dvd slideshow" there are a few there too |
| 06:02.08 | mu532 | does grub-install use a stage1.5? |
| 06:02.10 | n-iCe | Lagbolt: but i can't set timers, etc edit them |
| 06:02.19 | n-iCe | thanks |
| 06:03.23 | Lagbolt | n-iCe, http://www.linux.com/feature/118910 scroll to Authoring possible choices |
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| 06:04.10 | wad | Dang it. |
| 06:04.35 | mu532 | wad, how many lines is your /boot/grub/device.map |
| 06:04.48 | wad | grub-install just tells me "could not find device for /boot. Device not found or not a block device". |
| 06:04.53 | wad | That's when I'm not chrooted in. |
| 06:05.04 | wad | let me check, mu. 1 sec. |
| 06:06.05 | mu532 | this doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I've personally had bad luck with anything but the install command in the grub shell |
| 06:06.39 | wad | two lines. |
| 06:06.57 | mu532 | having said that, I'm pretty sure I've heard people say they succeeded with grub-install |
| 06:07.02 | wad | So I'm confused here. You keep referring to the grub shell. |
| 06:07.11 | wad | I can't get to it, because I can't get it to boot to the hard drive. |
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| 06:07.19 | wad | I'm under knoppix. |
| 06:07.31 | mu532 | you should be able to run it from the cmdline |
| 06:07.33 | wad | I never get far enough to see grub. |
| 06:07.49 | wad | I just get a NO OPERATING SYSTEM sort of error. |
| 06:07.52 | n-iCe | Lagbolt: i can't install qdvdauthor |
| 06:07.58 | n-iCe | Failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/v/videotrans/videotrans_1.6.0-0.0_i386.deb 404 Not Found |
| 06:08.14 | wad | oh, it says "NO OPERATING SYSTEM FOUND. PLEASE INSERT SYSTEM DISK" |
| 06:08.18 | mu532 | hmm |
| 06:08.34 | mu532 | oh, so it's not installed on your MBR |
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| 06:08.40 | wad | I've used fdisk and flagged hda1 bootable. |
| 06:08.51 | wad | That could be. |
| 06:08.54 | mu532 | and you installed onto hda1? |
| 06:08.58 | wad | Yes. |
| 06:09.07 | wad | I'm moving my OS from sda1 to hda1. |
| 06:09.16 | wad | I used rsync to copy the files over. |
| 06:09.26 | mu532 | how many OSes are on that disk? |
| 06:09.34 | wad | I edited the menu.lst and devices.map to refer to hda instead of sda. |
| 06:09.38 | wad | Just linux. No windows. |
| 06:09.48 | wad | This is my home file server. |
| 06:10.02 | mu532 | and not two different versions or dists of linux? |
| 06:10.04 | wad | I also edited /etc/fstab. |
| 06:10.05 | wad | Correct. |
| 06:10.05 | Lagbolt | n-iCe, apt-get update |
| 06:10.10 | wad | debian -> debian |
| 06:10.12 | n-iCe | Lagbolt: i did |
| 06:10.22 | n-iCe | Lagbolt: and same |
| 06:10.32 | mu532 | want to try installing grub on your hda? |
| 06:10.38 | timob | wad: what is the boot order from the bios? |
| 06:10.40 | Lagbolt | n-iCe, etch? |
| 06:10.40 | mu532 | we'll back up your MBR first |
| 06:10.42 | wad | Yes, it's already there. |
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| 06:10.54 | wad | timob: Well, the BIOS just has "boot from hard drive". |
| 06:11.01 | n-iCe | Lagbolt: lenny |
| 06:11.02 | mu532 | no, if it were, you wouldn't get "NO OS" |
| 06:11.02 | wad | Which is second, right after "boot from CD" |
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| 06:11.49 | Lagbolt | n-iCe, well maybe deb multimed is borked? |
| 06:11.50 | wad | I don't see a reason to back up the MBR, but you're the doctor. ;) |
| 06:12.04 | mu532 | so you have in your device.map a hd0 and a hd1? |
| 06:12.14 | mu532 | neither do I, but better safe than sorry :) |
| 06:12.27 | wad | Here is the contents of device.map: |
| 06:12.39 | wad | (fd0) /dev/fd0 |
| 06:12.52 | wad | (hd0) /dev/hda |
| 06:12.55 | wad | That's it. |
| 06:13.00 | mu532 | ok |
| 06:13.08 | Lagbolt | n-iCe, well you could try dvd-slideshow |
| 06:13.12 | wad | I used vi to change sda to hda. |
| 06:13.50 | n-iCe | Lagbolt: ok thanks, do you know k9copy? |
| 06:13.53 | mu532 | what happens when you type grub from your command line (if it's successful, exit gets you out) |
| 06:13.54 | wad | I've tried using grub-install on /dev/hda but it complains that it's not a block device. |
| 06:14.03 | wad | tries. 1 sec. |
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| 06:14.18 | Lagbolt | k9copy yeah i know it. works well |
| 06:14.20 | mu532 | do you get grub> |
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| 06:14.36 | n-iCe | Lagbolt: yeah im using it right now, do you know a gnome version? |
| 06:14.41 | wad | hey, cool. I got into a grub thingy. |
| 06:14.48 | wad | "quit" exited, actually. ;) |
| 06:14.55 | mu532 | ok, cool |
| 06:15.02 | Lagbolt | n-iCe, of k9copy? no cant say that i do |
| 06:15.29 | mu532 | doing so may have edited your /boot/grub/device.map |
| 06:15.32 | mu532 | see if it did |
| 06:15.58 | wad | looks |
| 06:16.43 | wad | no... how could it know to look in /media/hda1/boot/grub/device.map ? |
| 06:16.53 | mu532 | maybe it wouldn't |
| 06:16.54 | wad | I'm running knoppix now. |
| 06:17.11 | wad | I mounted /dev/hda1 to /media/hda1 |
| 06:17.17 | wad | so I could touch the filesystem. |
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| 06:17.34 | wad | should I try that command when I'm chrooted into that disk? |
| 06:17.40 | mu532 | before we go much further... |
| 06:17.58 | mu532 | could you say something about why you're switching from sda to hda? |
| 06:18.02 | wad | Sure! |
| 06:18.20 | wad | I've currently got 4 500GB SATA drives in this box. I just bought a fifth. |
| 06:18.26 | mu532 | I don't want to screw you up... a little knowledge is a good thing |
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| 06:18.41 | mu532 | so what's your hda? |
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| 06:18.45 | wad | Going to made a software RAID-5 out of them. But I don't want to boot to the RAID, I just want to boot to this little 40GB IDE drive. |
| 06:18.55 | wad | HDA = 40GB IDE |
| 06:19.02 | mu532 | ahh, I see. |
| 06:19.14 | mu532 | that drive could be your /boot :) |
| 06:19.16 | wad | SDA, SDB, SDC, SDD, SDE are all 500 GB SATA drives. |
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| 06:19.43 | wad | Yeah, HDA is just for swap, and for the OS. |
| 06:19.52 | wad | It runs debian etch and samba. That's about it. |
| 06:20.04 | wad | I keep all my backups on it, videos I've torrented, stuff like that. |
| 06:20.10 | mu532 | not a bad idea... keep swap away from other moving parts |
| 06:20.15 | wad | nods. |
| 06:20.38 | wad | If only I could convince it to be bootable. *sigh* |
| 06:20.47 | moepman | is there a tool to analyze the content of /proc/net/ip_conntrack as i have nearly 90.000 entries in that table still growing, and that kills the machine, so i need to find out whats going on |
| 06:20.49 | wad | I think everything else is all set up. |
| 06:21.02 | mu532 | it -seems- like it is booting |
| 06:21.08 | mu532 | but I'm not totally sure of that |
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| 06:21.14 | wad | But I get "NO OS".....? |
| 06:21.23 | mu532 | right, gets that far I mean |
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| 06:21.38 | wad | I get past the BIOS post, but that's about it. |
| 06:21.48 | mu532 | so, you say there are partitions on this drive? |
| 06:21.53 | moepman | wad grub is a bit different in numbering hard drives, you have to look in which order they are seen from the bios. |
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| 06:22.33 | wad | mu532: yes, I partitioned it myself, with fdisk. |
| 06:22.38 | wad | ext3. |
| 06:22.41 | wad | and swap, of course. |
| 06:22.53 | wad | moepman: ah, that's interesting. |
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| 06:23.00 | wad | Maybe I should unplug all the SATA drives? |
| 06:23.14 | wad | I'll try it. Stepping away for a moment. |
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| 06:24.09 | moepman | wad, maybe you just have to set the boot order correctly, had the same prob here, my card reader thinks alway its (hd0,0) in grub, and my hard drives are 1, 2 and 3 |
| 06:24.12 | mu532 | one weird bad-luck thing I experienced that you don't want to, is there was a moment when I had a usb drive and an internal drive with two different oses... and I had it arranged so that each drive had its own mbr, and making the machine see each drive as the first drive made that drive boot |
| 06:24.32 | Lagbolt | wad, the hda wont boot? sure boot order is right |
| 06:24.44 | Lagbolt | moepman, sorry didnt see you already said that |
| 06:24.50 | mu532 | the bad luck part was, once it swapped what it was supposed to be and wrote one partition table to the wrong drive... |
| 06:24.52 | mu532 | bad, bad |
| 06:24.56 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | I'm planning on buying a USB Ethernet adapter |
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| 06:25.14 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | should it work on a standard Debian installation? |
| 06:25.18 | moepman | GhostlyDeath why do you want that? no internal slots left? |
| 06:25.29 | binaryhermit | !ops Macarena25 PM-spammed me about his/her webcam when I joined |
| 06:25.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: binaryhermit complains about: Macarena25 PM-spammed me about his/her webcam when I joined |
| 06:25.42 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | moepman: yes |
| 06:25.45 | Obligatory | 'xmms' is gradually succumbing to bit-rot, what audio player like it has normalize-on-the-fly feature? |
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| 06:25.57 | wad | IT BOOTED!!! |
| 06:25.59 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | Only have a single slot |
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| 06:26.12 | mu532 | so having been bitten by that, I am avoiding two different drives with their own MBRs and instead I have one grub on the internal drive's ,br |
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| 06:26.13 | moepman | Obligatory beep media player |
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| 06:26.35 | wad | I unplugged the SATA drives, and it booted right up! |
| 06:26.43 | Obligatory | moepman, tnx, I'll check it out. |
| 06:26.46 | wad | wait... it just rebooted. Lemme play with it. :) |
| 06:26.51 | mu532 | hmm, then it wants to boot the sata first |
| 06:27.09 | moepman | wad try setting the boot order so that the hda is seen before the sdas |
| 06:27.12 | Obligatory | GhostlyDeath, I have a Microsoft USB ethernet adapter that works in Linux. |
| 06:27.40 | binaryhermit | Obligatory: nice |
| 06:27.45 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | so I should be fine? |
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| 06:28.35 | mu532 | if it works, it should keep working |
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| 06:29.02 | simonrvn | that's fucked up. Bug#476431 closed by Uk National Lottery |
| 06:29.11 | simonrvn | that bad eh |
| 06:29.19 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | thanks for the help |
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| 06:29.46 | Obligatory | GhostlyDeath, well, with that model anyway, drat I can't find the stupid thing and read you the model #. |
| 06:29.54 | mu532 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt does it work from the installer? |
| 06:29.57 | wad | Woah, it's complaining that it doesn't look like an ext2 filesystem. I had formatted it as ext3! |
| 06:30.03 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | I don't have the device yet |
| 06:30.12 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | planning on buying one |
| 06:30.47 | mu532 | oh... ew... so you don't know empiricallu |
| 06:30.51 | mu532 | y |
| 06:30.57 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | no |
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| 06:31.30 | mu532 | do you have other devices to consider? why this device? |
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| 06:32.24 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | well, it's portable |
| 06:32.29 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | could use it on other PCs, just plug it in |
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| 06:32.40 | mu532 | is it cheap? |
| 06:32.56 | mu532 | that is, is it worth the investment if it fails? |
| 06:33.46 | mu532 | what do you have to connect it if not for that device? |
| 06:34.10 | Obligatory | GhostlyDeath, if it help, it was a fairly old model, I found it at our local recycling center... |
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| 06:35.24 | wad | Well, guys, the system is running fine now. |
| 06:35.31 | wad | I didn't even mess with the BIOS. |
| 06:35.32 | mu532 | cool :) |
| 06:35.40 | wad | I just needed to get it to boot that once time, and it fixed itself. :) |
| 06:35.43 | wad | Thanks so much! |
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| 06:35.45 | mu532 | and you have the satas attach? |
| 06:35.50 | wad | Yes. |
| 06:35.56 | wad | I can see them all. |
| 06:36.01 | mu532 | cool... |
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| 06:36.17 | wad | The next step is to backup all my 2TB of data, add the 5th SATA, and build the RAID. SWEET! |
| 06:36.30 | wad | goes back to play with his now-functional box. |
| 06:36.40 | rahsputin | hi, i messed-up my /etc/cups/cupsd.conf file .... any ideas where i can get a default copy of the file ? |
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| 06:37.16 | mu532 | !lost config |
| 06:37.27 | n-iCe | is sleep 1h & halt, correct? |
| 06:37.47 | mu532 | && |
| 06:37.48 | ravenbird | somebody said & was AND |
| 06:37.58 | n-iCe | two && ? |
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| 06:38.22 | n-iCe | thanks |
| 06:38.26 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | & is binary and |
| 06:38.28 | mu532 | yeah, & in shell is "background it" |
| 06:38.31 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | && is logical and |
| 06:38.32 | ravenbird | ...but & is already something else... |
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| 06:38.57 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | in bash it daemonizes it kinda |
| 06:39.09 | mu532 | yeah, backgrounds it |
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| 06:39.31 | yang | IS there support for reading from Sony Memory stick pro card ? |
| 06:41.03 | mu532 | IS Is iS is |
| 06:41.12 | mu532 | last one is most normally :) |
| 06:41.25 | rahsputin | !lost config |
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| 06:41.52 | mu532 | that's the wrong one, but somehow you can get the old config back |
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| 06:42.07 | mu532 | worst comes to worst, you can purge it and install it again |
| 06:42.50 | jelly-home | rahsputin: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 06:42.59 | stodan | is it possible to define sudoers, so that all users can su to accounts from specific group? i dont want to add new account to sudoers every time.. |
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| 06:43.25 | mu532 | that's the one! confmiss |
| 06:43.52 | n-iCe | mu532: can I set minutes too? |
| 06:43.56 | Obligatory | yang, is this a USB memory stick? |
| 06:44.02 | n-iCe | If I want 1 hour and 30m |
| 06:44.16 | mu532 | with sleep? |
| 06:44.21 | n-iCe | yup |
| 06:44.42 | rahsputin | !confmiss |
| 06:44.42 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 06:44.56 | jelly-home | stodan: it is. man sudoers (use %groupname) |
| 06:44.56 | mu532 | sleep takes seconds, 3600 is an hour, 1800 is half, 900 is 15 mins... |
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| 06:45.24 | mu532 | !36 + 18 |
| 06:45.24 | dpkg | 54 |
| 06:45.41 | n-iCe | aah |
| 06:45.42 | mu532 | so 5400 secs is 1.5 hrs |
| 06:45.57 | n-iCe | then, sleep 5400s && halt |
| 06:45.59 | n-iCe | right? |
| 06:46.02 | mu532 | you can also try at |
| 06:46.03 | prolix | !0.01 + 0.03 |
| 06:46.04 | dpkg | 0.04 |
| 06:46.16 | n-iCe | with h ? |
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| 06:46.33 | mu532 | at might let you do minutes |
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| 06:47.07 | yang | Obligatory: no |
| 06:47.15 | n-iCe | you're the best |
| 06:47.16 | n-iCe | thank you |
| 06:47.19 | n-iCe | sleep time :D |
| 06:47.42 | mu532 | !0.01 * 0.01 |
| 06:47.42 | dpkg | 0.0001 |
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| 06:47.56 | mu532 | it does floats :) |
| 06:48.27 | prolix | !9 / 0 |
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| 06:48.52 | jelly-home | !botabuse |
| 06:48.52 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 06:49.03 | prolix | pardon |
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| 06:49.44 | mu532 | so getting it to compute and output pi to the last digit is out of the question, huh? :) |
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| 06:52.00 | jelly-home | it's three |
| 06:52.16 | mu532 | that's the first digit :P |
| 06:52.18 | rahsputin | so i did the reinstall of cupsys but still get this error message : http://rafb.net/p/mzDQ5d33.html |
| 06:52.44 | Obligatory | moepman, OK I'm running 'bmpx', it sounds OK, but where's the 'normalize' config? |
| 06:53.06 | stodan | jelly-home, i dont see how, i want to all users to su to accounts of some group, but all i see is how to sudo with their priviledges |
| 06:54.37 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 06:55.41 | Posterdati | please I need help recompiling a kernel for arm architecture: I've installed arm gnu eabi utils but I got this error on make "/bin/sh: /usr/local/src/mv-kernel/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: No such file or directory" |
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| 06:55.55 | Posterdati | eabi from emdebian |
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| 06:57.33 | jelly-home | stodan: I thought you wanted all the members of a certain group to be able to run su |
| 06:59.03 | stodan | no, i have some user accounts and i want them to su to each project accounts, with no password, but i dant want to add sudo su name, for each new project |
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| 07:05.06 | mu532 | stodan: maybe you're going to have to do certain of the things you don't want to get most of the effect that you do |
| 07:05.15 | Obligatory | moepman? |
| 07:05.24 | mu532 | I'm not sure, but it strikes me that it's just the way it works |
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| 07:06.47 | mu532 | stodan: for example... I'd never want to have a machine able to just add a new sudo without having to authenticate for the ability to do superuser stuff |
| 07:07.14 | mu532 | if you do, you're absolutely welcome to edit the source of sudo :) |
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| 07:09.27 | jelly-home | a wrapper that did something along the lines of username="$1"; getent group "$username" && exec su "$username" |
| 07:09.39 | jelly-home | would do the trick |
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| 07:09.58 | mu532 | or a wrapper that created the project and created the sudo thingy |
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| 07:10.28 | jelly-home | writing secure C or shell wrappers is left as an exercise to the reader :-> |
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| 07:12.28 | Obligatory | No moepman! 2nd call: 'xmms' is gradually succumbing to bit-rot, what audio player like it has normalize-on-the-fly feature? ('bmpx' apparently doesn't do normalizing) |
| 07:12.31 | xdr | hmm |
| 07:13.12 | xdr | what is a valid source.list entry? |
| 07:13.24 | Guerin | xdr: consult man sources.list |
| 07:13.58 | mu532 | you can explore an aptable mirror site to determine sources.list lines |
| 07:14.21 | mu532 | and consulting man sources.list is one way to learn how |
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| 07:15.22 | mu532 | if I recall correctly, one thing you do is poke around the mirror looking for a dir called dists |
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| 07:16.34 | mu532 | if you find it and it has the right stuff in it, the url to the dir containing dists is part of a valid source |
| 07:17.10 | optraz | hi, is there a way find out why cause a process to defunct? my watchdog app always defunct , [watchdog] <defunct> |
| 07:17.13 | cast | i have 3 samsung sata drives, different models, smartctl /dev/sd{a,b,c} says none of them support smart. that normal? am i missing something, is smart not well supported over sata? or by samsung? |
| 07:17.49 | jelly-home | cast: add "-d ata" as arguments for smartctl? |
| 07:18.13 | jelly-home | also, rtfm |
| 07:18.18 | cast | awesome! |
| 07:18.33 | cast | well, last time i used smartctl, it all worked :( |
| 07:18.49 | mu532 | howbout time before last? |
| 07:18.51 | jelly-home | it probably wasn't with a libata driver |
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| 07:23.50 | mu532 | has anyone noticed that when booting a machine with grub on a fixed drive that had menu.lst items which booted a (connected and on and everything) usb drive with linux installed, that the first time turned on the machine, boot would result in grub error 21, but when ctrl-alt-del from there, it worked? |
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| 07:24.12 | Usiu | Hi |
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| 07:24.38 | Usiu | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.42 | mu532 | I have this situation with a laptop, and while I can live with it I'm curious why it happens |
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| 07:25.14 | mu532 | Usiu: if there's a debian/ dir remove that before compiling |
| 07:25.29 | Usiu | mu532: with make-kpkg ? |
| 07:25.37 | Usiu | mu532: it will create new I think |
| 07:25.42 | mu532 | yes |
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| 07:26.09 | mu532 | and you want that because normally the newly created one will have the matched versions |
| 07:26.21 | mu532 | (unless you played with the makefile and the version in there) |
| 07:27.00 | Usiu | mu532: its assiging this kind of version even when I remove debian/ |
| 07:27.10 | mu532 | also be sure to back up your .config while you're playing here |
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| 07:27.42 | blubberdiblub | Usui: try a "make-kpkg clean" before buildung |
| 07:27.49 | Usiu | mu532: http://pastebin.com/d4cba3481 |
| 07:27.54 | Usiu | blubberdiblub: sure I did |
| 07:28.14 | blubberdiblub | oh okay, then i don't know |
| 07:28.19 | Usiu | blubberdiblub: but everytime I issue make-kpkg kernel-image its generating that garbage versioning |
| 07:28.30 | Usiu | blubberdiblub: and at the end I get version mismatch |
| 07:28.37 | mu532 | Usiu: most times when I noticed that behavior it was because I changed the version string at the top of the top-level makefile |
| 07:29.25 | Usiu | mu532: I think normal make works fine |
| 07:29.29 | Usiu | mu532: but I need packages |
| 07:29.34 | mu532 | did it say anything like "I expected that we're building X but we're building Y" |
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| 07:30.44 | Usiu | mu532: git clone git://people.freedesktop.org/~anholt/linux-2.6 linux-2.6-gem-patched ; git checkout -b drm-gem-merge origin/drm-gem-merge |
| 07:30.56 | Usiu | mu532: and when I run make-kpkg I have problems |
| 07:31.26 | mu532 | does the top-level makefile change after you do the checkout -b? |
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| 07:31.51 | Usiu | mu532: dunno |
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| 07:32.09 | Usiu | mu532: but it should define kernel version |
| 07:32.33 | mu532 | I'm not much help here, because I've only run across the one situation |
| 07:32.47 | jescis | I got this error when I double-clicked on my partition that is fat32(vfat): http://imagebin.ca/view/9d3MVf |
| 07:33.06 | mu532 | it's starting to sound like either we know it's not that, or we don't know whether it's that or not |
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| 07:33.25 | Usiu | mu532: heh it should be defined somewhere |
| 07:33.39 | mu532 | it would be defined there, you're right |
| 07:34.09 | Usiu | mu532: then I still dont get why make-kpkg is genereting this garbage |
| 07:34.10 | mu532 | but what I'm asking is whether you or this checkout process is changing that definition |
| 07:34.26 | mu532 | meetoo |
| 07:34.27 | Usiu | mu532: I think it might change it |
| 07:35.00 | Usiu | mu532: moreover make-kpkg does it when you are working on git version |
| 07:35.00 | mu532 | there was one situation where that was changed but the build proceeded: |
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| 07:35.23 | Usiu | mu532: but I already removed all git filles but it did not help |
| 07:35.29 | mu532 | I had built a 2.6.twentysomething with its rt patch applied |
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| 07:35.40 | mu532 | applying the patch caused the version string to change |
| 07:35.46 | mu532 | and it still built properly |
| 07:35.51 | Usiu | mu532: strange |
| 07:36.10 | kenboo | Is there Xen kernel for AMD K7? |
| 07:36.11 | mu532 | but that's a single point in a sea of possible points |
| 07:36.34 | Usiu | I guess I have to go now |
| 07:36.36 | Usiu | bbl |
| 07:36.42 | Usiu | mu532: thanks for trying help |
| 07:36.48 | Usiu | see you |
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| 07:37.13 | mu532 | kenboo: the k7 kernels were removed for security reasons I think... (someone pipe up here please) but you can easily build your own |
| 07:37.16 | fezzo_ | moin |
| 07:37.36 | jelly-home | !k7 |
| 07:37.36 | dpkg | k7 is probably the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. Just use a 686 kernel in unstable, k7 kernels are out. see <k7 dropped> |
| 07:37.47 | jelly-home | !k7 dropped |
| 07:37.47 | dpkg | somebody said k7 dropped was http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 Use the -686 kernel images instead. |
| 07:38.07 | slushpuppeh | Hi, i am trying to setup a DHCP/TFTP server. For the section host clientname {, is there a way to put a wildcard? |
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| 07:39.58 | mu532 | it doesn't look like it was security related |
| 07:40.20 | mu532 | the reason seems to be "we already have enough kernels" |
| 07:41.14 | mu532 | if you want to build your own that's as close as possible to a nearby debian kernel, |
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| 07:41.29 | kenboo | hmm alright |
| 07:42.08 | kenboo | I'm too lazy to compile kernel package, so I will just install 686 xen kernel, and hope it works |
| 07:42.40 | mu532 | get the config file from the same version of a different arch kernel image package, use that config, change the arch to k7, then do make-kpkg --initrd linux_image linux_headers |
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| 07:43.53 | mu532 | kenboo: what kernelversion are you going to use for your dom0? |
| 07:44.02 | kenboo | linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-686 |
| 07:44.25 | mu532 | that has dom0 support? |
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| 07:44.37 | kenboo | uh dom0 |
| 07:44.43 | mu532 | which version of xen? |
| 07:45.02 | kenboo | dom0 is for the host, right? |
| 07:45.24 | mu532 | and a loosely related side question... can you also build the nvidia driver into such a kernel? |
| 07:45.50 | kenboo | I'm using lenny. so i will use whatever lenny has. |
| 07:46.12 | mu532 | yeah, when you turn the machine on the hypervisor boots the dom0 |
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| 07:46.39 | jescis | I get an "Operation not permitted" when I try to chown the files on my second drives partition :( |
| 07:46.40 | kenboo | it's a headless machine...so I don't need any video or related kernel modules. |
| 07:46.58 | mu532 | chown only runs as root |
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| 07:47.17 | jescis | mu532: I did it as root |
| 07:47.20 | kenboo | okie, the kernel is ready. rebooting. |
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| 07:47.50 | jelly-home | kenboo: have you read http://wiki.debian.org/Xen? |
| 07:47.57 | mu532 | jescis: what kind of partition? |
| 07:48.00 | kenboo | uh not yet |
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| 07:48.03 | jescis | vfat |
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| 07:48.35 | jelly-home | kenboo: esp. the "Critically, there are no dom0 kernels included in lenny [...]" part |
| 07:49.03 | dondelelcaro | right, and the reason for that is that there isn't a xen patch that works on 2.6.26 |
| 07:49.03 | jescis | mu532: I put the umask=0022 option in |
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| 07:49.31 | mu532 | jescis: vfat has no owner for files |
| 07:49.49 | mu532 | or dirs |
| 07:49.51 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: combined with Debian's "we don't want to support two kernel versions" |
| 07:49.52 | mu532 | or... |
| 07:49.53 | mu532 | anything |
| 07:50.02 | kenboo | ya,,,i'm reading that part. |
| 07:50.17 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: right; more of a "we can't support two kernel versions", even. |
| 07:50.17 | mu532 | dondelelcaro: still no? |
| 07:50.31 | dondelelcaro | mu532: still no what? |
| 07:50.50 | jelly-home | semantics! |
| 07:50.57 | mu532 | still no xen dom0 on anythign later than 2.6.18? |
| 07:51.26 | dondelelcaro | mu532: as far as I know, yes. |
| 07:51.55 | jescis | mu532: yeah but when I do "ls -l" it has owner and group listed as being root |
| 07:51.56 | dondelelcaro | mu532: there are some unofficial patches floating around, but AFAIK, they're not from the xen source people |
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| 07:52.07 | dondelelcaro | jescis: sure, because it's stated at mount time. |
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| 07:52.38 | mu532 | any (unofficial) success stories floating around? |
| 07:52.39 | dondelelcaro | jescis: you can use the uid,gid options to mount if you want; man mount; and read the vfat section for details. |
| 07:53.15 | dondelelcaro | mu532: google may point you at some; I didn't see any obvious ones in a quick glance |
| 07:53.47 | mu532 | thanks for the quick glance |
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| 07:56.37 | mu532 | which is plenty good enough: I'll just keep biding my time... I suppose dom0 + low lat + preempt + rt is out of the question... |
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| 07:59.30 | mu532 | I'm probably not good enough with kernel sources to be able to merge all those patches successfully and correctly |
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| 08:07.45 | wartfrog | how do i adjust basic monitor settings in X, brightness/contrast |
| 08:07.51 | wartfrog | it should be simple but i cant find jack... |
| 08:07.55 | wartfrog | as usual heh |
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| 08:09.03 | jescis | wartfrog: I found jack, once he was in the movie Batman ;) |
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| 08:09.26 | wartfrog | sorry i havent been following batman much |
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| 08:10.12 | jescis | He was also in "Abou Schmidt" |
| 08:10.22 | jescis | About* |
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| 08:12.20 | vlt | Hello. I want to reduce a block device's size. What is a good way to find out how much space is exactly used by the (reiser) file system on that block device? |
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| 08:24.02 | mhymn | vlt: df -h? |
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| 08:25.16 | larstr | Debian 5.0. I have deleted /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules. How can I recreate it? |
| 08:25.53 | larstr | /lib/udev/write_net_rules all_interfaces gives me the message missing $INTERFACE |
| 08:26.07 | pmv | restore from package? |
| 08:27.02 | larstr | what is the best procedure to do that? I've tried dpkg-reconfigure udev |
| 08:27.14 | larstr | and also udevadm trigger |
| 08:27.26 | pmv | tried reinstall? |
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| 08:27.42 | larstr | pmv: reinstall udev? or reinstall debian? ;) |
| 08:27.51 | wartfrog | does anyone know how do adjust basic settings in X like brightness/contrast |
| 08:27.52 | pmv | udev |
| 08:28.05 | pmv | wartfrog, laptop? |
| 08:28.15 | wartfrog | yea |
| 08:28.24 | pmv | afaik that's specific to the manufacturer |
| 08:28.31 | wartfrog | what about desktop |
| 08:28.33 | wartfrog | i got one of those too |
| 08:28.37 | pmv | I had to patch for software controls on my compaq lcd |
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| 08:28.44 | pmv | there are buttons on the monitor |
| 08:28.45 | pmv | :) |
| 08:28.50 | wartfrog | yea i knew u were gonna say that |
| 08:28.51 | larstr | reinstalling udev now |
| 08:28.52 | wartfrog | thast why i said laptop |
| 08:28.57 | wartfrog | is there no way to do it in software in X |
| 08:29.02 | wartfrog | you know.. like windows display prefs.... |
| 08:29.03 | pmv | there probably is actually |
| 08:29.19 | pmv | I know mplayer running on X can change brightness settings for X as a whole |
| 08:29.30 | wartfrog | im just tired of the same sarcastic crap :P like 'who needs brightness when you're at a black and white command prompt' |
| 08:29.36 | pmv | try xbacklight? |
| 08:29.38 | wartfrog | i gotta be careful what i ask and how i ask it |
| 08:29.39 | wartfrog | heh |
| 08:29.41 | pmv | heh |
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| 08:30.03 | wartfrog | hmm that ones not installed.. ill see |
| 08:30.09 | wartfrog | all i found was xgamma for gamma c orrection |
| 08:30.12 | wartfrog | but nothing for brightness/contrast |
| 08:30.13 | pmv | also xgamma |
| 08:30.14 | pmv | yeah |
| 08:30.15 | pmv | ah |
| 08:30.22 | wartfrog | one out of three.. |
| 08:30.29 | vlt | thinks that was not totally clear |
| 08:30.31 | vlt | I mean, I already ran `resize_reiserfs -s -200G <device>` but is `df` really the best way to find out to which size I can shrink the underlaying device safely? |
| 08:30.35 | pmv | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.35 | pmv | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.35 | pmv | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.43 | pmv | I'll check what package it is |
| 08:30.59 | Optimax | nods |
| 08:31.03 | wartfrog | they cant tell me its driver specific if it can adjust the gamma.... |
| 08:31.14 | pmv | /usr/local/bin/xbacklight was installed by package xbacklight-1.1 |
| 08:31.27 | pmv | on freebsd at least |
| 08:31.57 | RichiH | is there a way to onlu us pdiffs if the last sync is less than X days in the past? |
| 08:32.09 | Optimax | have you tried pressing the function keys and hitting the screen brighten button before messing with xbacklight? |
| 08:32.57 | wartfrog | no i cannot find documentation about 'function keys' |
| 08:33.06 | pmv | yeah, some of those are hardware, and some that are software are supported already |
| 08:33.09 | pmv | like thinkpads |
| 08:33.14 | Optimax | are you using a laptop or a tower? |
| 08:33.37 | wartfrog | tower |
| 08:33.37 | pmv | he wants both |
| 08:33.39 | Optimax | its the button with the sun on it and a little up arrow |
| 08:33.57 | pmv | generally you also have to press the Fn key or equiv |
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| 08:34.02 | Optimax | ye |
| 08:34.20 | verblendet | hi, does debian etch start kmail by default in kde? |
| 08:34.43 | Optimax | no but you can set it to remember your settings on the next boot and it will |
| 08:36.00 | verblendet | sure, the problem is i dont want it to start, but it starts on every session, regardless that it does have a link in autostart or is running at the end of the session ;) |
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| 08:36.19 | verblendet | just wanted to ask if its some default, the kde channel pointed me to this channel to recheck |
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| 08:36.32 | larstr | file wast recreated during reinstall.. trying boot now |
| 08:36.36 | larstr | wasn't |
| 08:36.41 | Optimax | control panel, session manager, restore previous session |
| 08:37.10 | Optimax | verblendet, then goto the session manager and tell it to start with an empty session ;) |
| 08:37.14 | wartfrog | there is xgamma for gamma ,but why nothing for brightness or contrast sheesh |
| 08:37.31 | pmv | wartfrog, install xbacklight |
| 08:37.48 | wartfrog | i did im not sure how to use it, it says no displays have the backlight property set |
| 08:37.50 | verblendet | Optimax, i already did so, but it wont help, kmail is starting on every login! |
| 08:37.51 | wartfrog | so it cant do anything |
| 08:38.09 | Optimax | weird, it worked for me, when I did it.. |
| 08:38.14 | wartfrog | 'no outputs have the backlight property' hmm |
| 08:38.22 | pmv | wartfrog, run xbacklight? |
| 08:38.27 | pmv | ah, I see |
| 08:38.31 | pmv | not supported I suppose |
| 08:38.37 | Optimax | did you reboot after you changed it not just log out and back in |
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| 08:39.49 | Optimax | it might be in the kmail prefs, options startup etc |
| 08:40.13 | Optimax | I dont use kmail.. I should but im just fucktasticly lazy |
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| 08:41.28 | Optimax | that and the meds the doctor has given me for depression make setting up mail settings like pop3 and smtp, a bitch.. |
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| 08:44.24 | wartfrog | hmm maybe it is driver specific, since it would be changing the voltage levels of the analog output, can't get brighter than 100% through sofotware |
| 08:44.53 | larstr | pmv: reinstalling udev didn't help any |
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| 08:45.03 | Optimax | sofotware.. I spy with my little eye someone else with meds for depression..lol |
| 08:45.17 | pmv | ugh |
| 08:45.27 | petemc | Optimax: try to keep on topic |
| 08:45.31 | wartfrog | and gamma correction is just working within the original range i supose |
| 08:45.31 | Optimax | k |
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| 08:45.50 | pmv | larstr, try to recover the file from the apt package |
| 08:45.53 | Optimax | whats the graphics card in the tower? |
| 08:45.55 | pmv | there's probably a dpkg tool to do that |
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| 08:46.44 | larstr | pmv: keep in mind that this file should be generated somehow, it's a config file of your specific settings |
| 08:46.47 | wartfrog | not to say it COULDNT be implemented that way but maybe it is a driver thing... |
| 08:47.06 | wartfrog | only gamma correction as software, i could at least understand that rationale |
| 08:47.16 | wartfrog | i need to install the nvidia binary |
| 08:47.16 | Optimax | it could be hardware have you tried adjusting the gamma settings on the screen? |
| 08:47.17 | wartfrog | joy... |
| 08:47.27 | wartfrog | yea i can adjust gamma all day long |
| 08:47.28 | wartfrog | xgamma |
| 08:47.29 | pmv | larstr, this is true. strange how reinstalling didn't fix that |
| 08:47.34 | wartfrog | lol, i want to adjust brightness/contrast |
| 08:47.40 | wartfrog | thats what i cant seem to find, and no one knows the answer |
| 08:47.43 | larstr | pmv: indeed... |
| 08:47.45 | pmv | but I was thinking there is probably a template or skeleton of that file |
| 08:47.55 | pmv | in the dpkg |
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| 08:48.35 | taron | debian |
| 08:48.58 | wartfrog | it must just not be done.... there is nothing on google, i just would have thought there would be 3 apps for xserver, xgamma, and something like an 'xbrightness' or 'xcontrast' |
| 08:48.59 | wartfrog | but noo |
| 08:49.04 | Optimax | a search on google just keeps pointing to xbacklight so yeap maybe you need the card binary |
| 08:49.06 | larstr | pmv: well, nothing that a reinstall could give me atleast.... |
| 08:49.59 | wartfrog | yea maybe it is a driver specific thing... cuz brightness/contrast are like overrides for the actual signal levels to the monitor |
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| 08:50.19 | wartfrog | i could understand that if thats the case |
| 08:50.34 | Optimax | yeah, check your desktop settings see how many resolutions it allows you to change it too. |
| 08:50.44 | taron | debian |
| 08:50.50 | Optimax | if its stuck at 65hz then theirs your answer |
| 08:51.13 | wartfrog | where only gamma correction is implemented in software, and uses mmx, but works within the same hardware voltage range |
| 08:51.36 | wartfrog | i can change resolution |
| 08:51.45 | taron | debian |
| 08:51.56 | Optimax | taron yes debian |
| 08:52.02 | taron | debian |
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| 08:55.52 | wols | taron: do you have a debian related support question? |
| 08:55.58 | taron | debian |
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| 08:56.30 | foo | eyes wols and thinks he's an op |
| 08:56.40 | Optimax | hes spamming in most of the channels repeating the channel name, its a bot |
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| 08:56.58 | taron | debian |
| 08:57.15 | Optimax | someone kill it |
| 08:57.30 | taron | debian |
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| 08:58.32 | foo | dpkg: ops taron is a bot. /lastlog taron |
| 08:58.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: foo complains about: taron is a bot. /lastlog taron |
| 08:58.33 | taron | Im not a bot |
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| 08:59.00 | foo | taron: You just randomly say "debian" 8+ times? |
| 08:59.00 | DeBboLo | ciao |
| 08:59.05 | DeBboLo | cè qualcuno |
| 08:59.06 | DeBboLo | ? |
| 08:59.27 | taron | foo: debian is correct |
| 08:59.31 | DeBboLo | ho un problema con Debian 4.0 |
| 08:59.46 | wols | !tell DeBboLo about es |
| 08:59.53 | DeBboLo | mi da sempre questo msg: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: trasmit timed out |
| 09:00.12 | wols | taron: you are still a troll. either keep on topic or be quiet |
| 09:00.12 | DeBboLo | uhm |
| 09:00.24 | DeBboLo | italian no? :D |
| 09:00.28 | wols | DeBboLo: this is an engolish ONLY channeol. not spanish or italian here |
| 09:00.33 | wols | !it |
| 09:00.33 | dpkg | Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:00.37 | DeBboLo | ok |
| 09:00.37 | taron | wols: don't you concur that debian is correct? |
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| 09:00.40 | DeBboLo | thanks man |
| 09:00.41 | DeBboLo | :) |
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| 09:01.05 | solars | how can I install rmagick without upgrading to ruby 1.8.7? (apt wants to upgrade, but I want to keep 1.8.6) |
| 09:01.17 | wols | taron: do you have a debian related support question? if so ask it, otherwise be quiet. if you can't do this, you wilol be made gone as soon as an op shows up. your choice |
| 09:01.42 | wols | solars: you backport rmagic and buiold it with ruby 1.8.6 |
| 09:01.47 | taron | debian |
| 09:01.58 | Optimax | OMFG.. taron, you are a tard! |
| 09:02.08 | wols | Optimax: he's mainly a troll |
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| 09:02.12 | taron | debian is correct |
| 09:02.14 | Optimax | nods |
| 09:02.44 | solars | wols, using the snapshots server? |
| 09:02.55 | taron | debian |
| 09:03.05 | wols | solars: no |
| 09:03.13 | taron | debian |
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| 09:05.18 | solars | wols, I only know how to use backports for newer packages, what exatly do you mean? download rmagick and compile it with ruby 1.8.6 ? |
| 09:05.29 | taron | debian rocks |
| 09:05.59 | wols | solars: download the source of rmagick yes and build a package that depends on ruby 1.8.6 |
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| 09:06.17 | wols | source package from debian repos that is |
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| 09:06.33 | solars | wols, ah alright, thanks |
| 09:06.54 | taron | debian |
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| 09:09.49 | kantor | hi, when I try to read from sg devices (/dev/sg0 . . . .) the read() function blocks for infinite, when I set nonblock then the read() returns with error: Resource temporarily unavailable, why is this ? |
| 09:09.59 | taron | debian |
| 09:10.25 | Kovensky | wants sata_sis.ko back |
| 09:12.22 | taron | debian |
| 09:14.21 | wols | leans back and grabs the popcorn |
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| 09:14.47 | taron | debian |
| 09:16.49 | themill | thanks, RichiH, Dave2 |
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| 09:18.06 | glontu | hello, i've been runing debian on a virtual machine that has a 4 virtual hard drive. Lately apache is dieing and i can see in the logs it dosn't have enough hard drive space |
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| 09:18.29 | Optimax | buy a bigger drive |
| 09:18.32 | glontu | the /var/log directory is not large so my qyestion is ... what can i delete in order to make some more space ? |
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| 09:18.46 | pmv | clear apt cache |
| 09:18.57 | Optimax | everything in /var/log, do you really need all those logfiles |
| 09:19.06 | glontu | sory ... i ment to say "has a 4 GB virtual hard drive" |
| 09:19.15 | pmv | clear apt cache |
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| 09:19.36 | glontu | thanks pmv, i'll try co clear it |
| 09:19.37 | Snadder | Anyone know if a laptop with an extra wireless interface can act as an wireless router for another pc? |
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| 09:19.46 | wols | Snadder: it can |
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| 09:20.07 | petemc | they can connect ad hoc, not all cards can act as repeaters |
| 09:20.18 | Optimax | I am doing that myself at Snadder, with Universal Repeat set to /y |
| 09:20.28 | Optimax | better off with a wifi router |
| 09:20.56 | Snadder | I'm considering buying mobile internett connection.. That way I can share that internet connection with my iphone. |
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| 09:21.23 | Snadder | mobile internet->laptop->iphone |
| 09:22.41 | Snadder | petemc, do every wireless "client" connect with a laptop set in ad hoc mode? |
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| 09:22.49 | Snadder | can* |
| 09:22.59 | petemc | Snadder: should be able to, yes |
| 09:23.23 | Snadder | Cool. |
| 09:23.32 | Snadder | Wondring if its hard. |
| 09:23.37 | Snadder | ..to set up |
| 09:24.13 | Snadder | Does it exist some software or howto.. on how to share your internet connection in ad hoc mode? |
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| 09:28.11 | petemc | Snadder: the same principles apply |
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| 09:31.27 | torrrr | is there a clamav gui package? |
| 09:32.07 | Eulex | yes. |
| 09:32.08 | Eulex | !tell torrrr about search |
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| 09:35.18 | torrrr | Eulex, I did search, and found only avscan, which isnt' integrated with gnome |
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| 09:41.07 | jescis | is there a recommended way to install a Logitech QuickCam Pro 4000 drivers? or a DebianAdmin document to tell how to install it? |
| 09:41.21 | Lagbolt | jescis, is that supported with gspca driver? |
| 09:42.31 | themill | or is it the qc-usb-* stuff? |
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| 09:43.47 | swampfrog | heh im running ie6! |
| 09:44.05 | swampfrog | this ies4linux seems nice, sets everything up in wine to run multiple versions of ie, downloads all the components from ms |
| 09:44.39 | jescis | Lagbolt: I think it uses pwc |
| 09:44.42 | themill | wonders why you would be proud of that achievement |
| 09:44.48 | swampfrog | themill :P |
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| 09:46.29 | themill | jescis: check the product id from lsusb and check it against http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html to see if it's gspca |
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| 09:47.00 | swampfrog | useful for web devs |
| 09:47.19 | swampfrog | can have 5/5.5/6 all runnin if u want |
| 09:47.21 | Lagbolt | jescis, i think the qc does it |
| 09:47.22 | swampfrog | no ie7 yet... |
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| 09:47.30 | Lagbolt | jescis, you ever use module-assistant? |
| 09:47.41 | HNSZ | !nvidia |
| 09:47.42 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 09:47.46 | jescis | yeah |
| 09:47.48 | swampfrog | i only had to dl like one extra thing from the lenny repo that wasnt installed by wine |
| 09:47.53 | swampfrog | went off without a hitch |
| 09:47.59 | Lagbolt | jescis, m-a a-i qc-usb should do it |
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| 09:48.03 | swampfrog | my experience with wine has been less than great |
| 09:48.11 | swampfrog | but this ies4linux package is nice |
| 09:48.50 | swampfrog | third party, its not in the repo, but i didnt have to install anything extra except for one wine lib and that was in the lenny repo |
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| 09:49.17 | swampfrog | im still a noob when it comes to wine, especially when it comes to really killing everything wine starts.. |
| 09:49.35 | swampfrog | i had problem restarting it once even after user logout |
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| 09:50.48 | themill | winefrog: #winehq might be a better place to ramble about how good wine is or ask your wine-related questions. |
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| 09:51.55 | Katya | hi |
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| 09:52.39 | Lagbolt | hi |
| 09:52.41 | superlinux1 | what is the name of the pdf to jpeg converter application? |
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| 09:53.39 | Lagbolt | superlinux1, imagemagick can do it i think . . . convert foo.pdf foo.jpg |
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| 09:54.45 | themill | superlinux1: you might want to look at the -density option to imagemagick's convert though to specify what resolution to do the conversion at. |
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| 09:55.22 | winefrog | still cant find anything on adjusting brightness/contrast sheesh |
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| 09:55.29 | winefrog | is there a good xserver chan around here someplace |
| 09:55.36 | themill | superlinux1: I can't recall how convert handles multipage PDFs, you may also want to burst it into single pages using pdftk first. |
| 09:55.59 | tralala | winefrog, see xvattr |
| 09:56.01 | jescis | Lagbolt: building qc-usb or pwc failes |
| 09:56.06 | winefrog | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:56.17 | tralala | that's an app, not a channel |
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| 09:56.38 | winefrog | hmm its not in the repository |
| 09:56.42 | winefrog | ill search |
| 09:58.05 | winefrog | hmm from the man it seems to be what im lookin for |
| 09:58.07 | tralala | it _is_ in the repo |
| 09:58.11 | winefrog | really |
| 09:58.23 | tralala | !info xvattr |
| 09:58.44 | winefrog | its not in mine, main contrib non-free |
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| 09:59.11 | themill | !dmm |
| 09:59.12 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
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| 09:59.20 | winefrog | Oo |
| 09:59.21 | themill | (xvattr is on dmm) |
| 09:59.48 | tralala | oh, right. my bad |
| 09:59.53 | themill | nfc why it's not in debian-proper. |
| 09:59.58 | winefrog | from the man it seems to be what im lookin for though thx |
| 10:00.04 | winefrog | i had multimedia commented out heh |
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| 10:02.34 | winefrog | ive been too squeamish so far, is it easy to get the binary nvidia driver installed, or do i gotta patch the kernel and stuff |
| 10:03.11 | winefrog | the driver i had been using 'at least in etch' was dragging on graphics rendering |
| 10:03.30 | winefrog | or that could have just been the particular program i was using |
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| 10:05.06 | Drezard | any ideas why 'sudo' would be an unrecognized command on a new etch installation??? |
| 10:05.14 | themill | !installit |
| 10:05.14 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 10:05.54 | Drezard | its sudo! |
| 10:06.00 | Drezard | it should be installed by default! |
| 10:06.12 | themill | why? |
| 10:06.16 | tralala | Drezard, file a bugreport against the debian installer if you think so |
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| 10:06.34 | Drezard | dw lol |
| 10:06.39 | Drezard | im just angry |
| 10:06.43 | Drezard | back to ubuntu i go :P |
| 10:06.52 | tralala | farewell |
| 10:06.58 | Kovensky | Drezard: stop being lazy, just apt-get install sudo =p |
| 10:07.00 | themill | Drezard: half the time we have people coming in here complaining that app XYZ isn't installed by default and half the time they complain that debian is too bloated because it has too much installed. |
| 10:07.27 | blubberdiblub | how can i setup a hp deskjet 840c printer with the gs-builtin driver cdj880 _without_ using hpijs/hplip? is that possible at all? if i remove the latter two, the printer is apparently not detected anymore .. |
| 10:07.28 | Drezard | lol |
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| 10:07.41 | Kovensky | installs sudo and vim as the first things after a fresh install |
| 10:07.51 | Drezard | debian scares me/ubuntu user |
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| 10:07.59 | Kovensky | Drezard: I came from ubuntu =p |
| 10:08.04 | ubitux | hi |
| 10:08.05 | Drezard | its big and LOUD and im small and quiet |
| 10:08.05 | Drezard | lol |
| 10:08.16 | cast | question: after upgrading to lenny, everything in x is working fine, except gterm doesn't resize its window very fast, theres a noticable pause of maybe .9s. any suggestions as to how this has come about? |
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| 10:08.19 | Kovensky | installed lenny on his usb key |
| 10:08.21 | winefrog | i dont see the big diff betwen them tbh |
| 10:08.31 | Kovensky | needs sata_sis.ko so it can see his internal drives :< |
| 10:08.39 | tralala | Drezard, "lol" is not a punctuation substitute |
| 10:08.49 | winefrog | other than out of the box not showing the dialog during boot |
| 10:08.54 | winefrog | thats one thing that puts me off to ubuntu |
| 10:08.54 | Kovensky | winefrog: Debian will install on a 1.4G partition; Ubuntu won't |
| 10:09.10 | Drezard | tralala, it is where i come from |
| 10:09.15 | winefrog | and other minor quirks |
| 10:09.20 | Kovensky | and debian doesn't come with as many stuff as ubuntu |
| 10:09.25 | tralala | debian will install on 600MB (or so) partition |
| 10:09.26 | winefrog | in deb u gotta ./appname where you dont need to ./ in ubuntu |
| 10:09.31 | Kovensky | I dislike both ubuntu's and kubuntu's default setups |
| 10:09.35 | Kovensky | winefrog: o_O |
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| 10:09.36 | winefrog | im still noob to set that but i like the way debian does it |
| 10:09.38 | Kovensky | I never noticed that |
| 10:09.40 | ubitux | is there a way to put the experimental version of pymsn to, at least, unstable ? 'cause the current one doesn't connect anymore... |
| 10:09.45 | winefrog | i want to have to explicitly type the ./ |
| 10:09.47 | winefrog | for safety reasons |
| 10:09.58 | Kovensky | winefrog: if you don't want to, just do "export PATH=./:$PATH" |
| 10:09.58 | cast | winefrog: isn't that a tiny shell issue. and furthermore breaking from years and years of convention |
| 10:10.01 | tralala | Drezard, sounds like you're coming from a mental institution |
| 10:10.11 | winefrog | yea i knew it was the path i just never bothered |
| 10:10.12 | themill | Surely ubuntu doesn't have . in the default $PATH.... |
| 10:10.19 | Drezard | tralala, an ISP call center, same thing tho |
| 10:10.24 | winefrog | its just lil things ubuntu does like setting up sudo |
| 10:10.31 | winefrog | i like having to do everything myself like in deb |
| 10:10.34 | cast | themill: dont make me dcc you a tarball with +x ls in it |
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| 10:10.40 | tralala | Drezard, ha! You won this round :) |
| 10:10.53 | Drezard | tralala, we had a link to an |
| 10:11.00 | Drezard | ENTIRE state go down today |
| 10:11.00 | winefrog | if i wanna hear sound, i want ot have to add myself to audio group myself, same with all the other devices |
| 10:11.08 | Drezard | so the boards were lighting up with angry customers |
| 10:11.09 | themill | cast: heh... esp with Kovensky's suggestion of putting . first in the path not last... |
| 10:11.25 | winefrog | its just lil things like that that turn me off to ubuntu, im used to debian |
| 10:11.30 | tralala | Drezard, do you put stuff on notalwaysright? |
| 10:11.33 | Kovensky | themill: I didn't say you should use that |
| 10:11.35 | Kovensky | likes ./ |
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| 10:11.40 | Drezard | tralala, explain??? |
| 10:11.50 | tralala | Drezard, notalwaysright.com |
| 10:11.51 | Kovensky | leaves for college |
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| 10:12.14 | cast | ahh someone else has my gnome-terminal pausing on resize issue, to which he got the helpful reply "Mine doesn't." and "Use xterm." |
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| 10:12.21 | themill | Kovensky: . in $PATH is poor form at best, "export PATH=.:$PATH" is more dangerous than "export PATH=$PATH:." |
| 10:12.43 | themill | suggests that cast use konsole |
| 10:12.51 | Drezard | tralala, oh no i have better ones then that... like a customer setting up a dial up connection asked "Is the POP num (phone number to dial the other side) uppercase or lower case?" |
| 10:13.08 | cast | installing. |
| 10:13.15 | Kovensky | themill: I know, it is just how PATH was when I first saw '.' in the PATH |
| 10:13.27 | tralala | Drezard, put them there! The call center stories are my favourites |
| 10:13.46 | Drezard | tralala, or how bout the woman paying US$70 a month for a nice 12+ Mbps connection and not connecting for 9 months and using the neighbours wireless (which was connected to a permanant 56kbps dial up) |
| 10:14.02 | Drezard | tralala, which she took as her own |
| 10:14.17 | themill | points to #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
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| 10:14.48 | Hamled | can anyone recommend a gtk app for editing video files? (doesn't need to do anything complicated, I just need to split/copy a section of an mpeg) |
| 10:14.52 | Drezard | tralala, i spend most of my time telling people OVER and OVER again the same thing, so i pretty much crack open Putty and SSH into my latest linux server... last week was ubuntu, this week its deb :P |
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| 10:15.11 | Drezard | tralala, this is while i wait for them to click that the 'Next' button is down the bottom right |
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| 10:16.26 | tralala | Drezard, this totally matches with my little "call center" experience I have from helping friends and relatives. |
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| 10:16.39 | Drezard | tralala, as in? |
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| 10:16.46 | heroxbd | Hello. Our ftp server is dhcp with dynamic DNS, recently the ip address of it varies back and forth. Is there a way to inform our dhcp server to pin our address down? |
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| 10:17.04 | petemc | heroxbd: you can tie addresses to mac addresses |
| 10:17.13 | petemc | heroxbd: why is a server using dhcp anyway? |
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| 10:17.31 | tralala | Drezard, trying to make them read the screen and locate the things right in front of their very eyes. |
| 10:17.32 | Drezard | heroxbd, set it statically in /etc/network/interface |
| 10:17.40 | heroxbd | petemc: Our ISP is not cooperating. |
| 10:18.04 | heroxbd | Drezard: But that results in IP violence. |
| 10:18.04 | petemc | heroxbd: ah, so you dont control the dhcp server - you're out of luck then |
| 10:18.23 | Drezard | heroxbd, so hold up is the DHCP server ur ISPs or urs.... |
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| 10:18.40 | tralala | heroxbd, some dhcp servers support client names - a client which identifies by that name can get a static ip |
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| 10:18.56 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 10:19.47 | heroxbd | I remembered that some days before, our server holds the same ip until rebooted. But recently it changes ip even while I am SSHing onto it, dropping my shell dead. |
| 10:20.18 | tralala | heroxbd, the dhcp server determines the lease time |
| 10:20.26 | Somni | heroxbd: there is nothing any of us can do for you, this is entirely the ISP's deal |
| 10:20.42 | Somni | your lease is apparently dropping when it shouldn't be |
| 10:20.53 | tralala | I'm not sure if the client can request a specific lease time |
| 10:20.54 | Somni | perhaps they set it too low |
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| 10:21.39 | heroxbd | Somni, tralala : Thanks. I'll look up the lease time of the dhcp protocol and my dhclient configuration file. |
| 10:22.08 | tralala | the chances are it's controlled by the server |
| 10:22.15 | petemc | it generally is |
| 10:23.20 | heroxbd | Is there a command other than dhcliet that can query the setting of our dhcp server (e.g. lease time)? |
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| 10:23.40 | wols | heroxbd: pump |
| 10:23.51 | tralala | heroxbd, dhclient should report in the logs the lease time it got |
| 10:24.10 | gypsymauro | someone know sno php4 in lenny? |
| 10:24.23 | gypsymauro | if there is no php4 in lenny? |
| 10:24.34 | gypsymauro | on packages.debian.org there is but not on repository it seems |
| 10:24.36 | Drezard | tralala, mmm so yea... the bain of my life lol |
| 10:26.05 | themill | gypsymauro: there is no php4 in lenny. /msg dpkg php4 |
| 10:26.25 | cast | ahh my old friend eterm |
| 10:26.28 | cast | how i missed you |
| 10:27.10 | heroxbd | tralala: Oh yeah. I can see in the log file that at 17:53:45 it bound to xxxxx.29 renewal in 2837 seconds. and then I see at 17:54:25 it bound to xxxxx.31 renewal in 3091 seconds. --That's pretty strange. |
| 10:27.25 | gypsymauro | themill: damn! |
| 10:27.40 | heroxbd | It hopped within 60 seconds. |
| 10:27.53 | tralala | heroxbd, how many dhclient processes do you have running? |
| 10:28.13 | tralala | and how do you run dhclient? |
| 10:28.41 | heroxbd | tralala: God. there is a dhclient and a dhclient3. I'll look into it... |
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| 10:29.13 | thinker007 | OK |
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| 10:31.16 | heroxbd | tralala: I run it from /etc/network/interfaces configurations. |
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| 10:32.00 | heroxbd | tralala: I can't find other possible way to get and extra dhclient running... Still investigating. |
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| 10:32.13 | moepman | is it possible to map 2 external IPs to one internal using DNAT? |
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| 10:33.00 | tralala | heroxbd, just uninstall the version you're not using |
| 10:33.17 | Drezard | why use dynamic nat??? why not just buy a static ip and a DNS name? |
| 10:33.32 | tralala | dnat is _not_ dynamic nat |
| 10:33.34 | heroxbd | tralala: dhclient is a symlink to dhclient3 |
| 10:33.48 | tralala | ah |
| 10:33.57 | tralala | moepman, I don't see why not |
| 10:34.04 | petemc | moepman: should be |
| 10:34.23 | Drezard | im sorry... i didnt mean dnat i mean ddns |
| 10:34.24 | Drezard | lol |
| 10:34.26 | Drezard | i mean haha |
| 10:34.28 | petemc | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -d externalip -j DNAT --to internalip |
| 10:35.18 | heroxbd | tralala: I rebooted the server and it's gone missing again. I have to nmap to find it :( |
| 10:36.19 | tralala | heroxbd, well somehow you get two dhclients running and they are messing the things up. Try to see what's going on. |
| 10:36.35 | moepman | tralala argl, i pinged my internal ips all time, externals work |
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| 10:38.20 | tralala | moepman, what? |
| 10:40.48 | moepman | tralala complicated virtual serverfarm with XEN, its all a bit weird, i didnt plan that |
| 10:41.38 | tralala | I don't see how this affects the dnat rules. |
| 10:41.42 | mu532 | you mean you didn't planfor it to be weird? :) |
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| 10:42.32 | moepman | tralala i tried to reach an ip that wasnt existing in that subnet, i said, weird, but working now |
| 10:42.48 | moepman | mu532 no my boss planned it, i just have to do it |
| 10:42.54 | Optimax | lol |
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| 10:46.00 | Eulex | torrrr, oh, appears clamtk isn't in stable. |
| 10:46.41 | petemc | Eulex: what is it you need a front end to a virus scanner for? |
| 10:46.42 | torrrr | hate stable >:< |
| 10:46.45 | petemc | just out of interest |
| 10:46.59 | Eulex | ask him, not me :) |
| 10:47.16 | torrrr | petemc, for normal people |
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| 10:48.19 | cast | well fuck. you-tube works in lenny, without needing macromedia flash :) |
| 10:48.40 | mu532 | torrrr: there's always alternatives... |
| 10:48.49 | moshii | cast: gnash has been able to run youtube's player for some time |
| 10:49.04 | torrrr | mu532, please name them |
| 10:49.15 | moshii | cast: a lot of other flv players don't work though |
| 10:49.23 | mu532 | you can run stable but build whatever new stuff you want |
| 10:49.49 | moshii | mu532: unless you need newer versions of major libraries |
| 10:49.50 | mu532 | you can run linux from scratch if it's adventure and fast learning you seek |
| 10:49.52 | torrrr | mu532, I tried to build evolution once |
| 10:50.01 | et | the real question is what do you need a virus scanner for |
| 10:50.19 | et | haven't seen one that doesn't cause more trouble than a virus could |
| 10:50.28 | moshii | et: stripping virii out of mails before they go to windows clients ;) |
| 10:50.34 | torrrr | mu532, and it just had an endless list of libs I needed to add inorder to complile it |
| 10:50.35 | mu532 | torrrr: do you believe me when I say "someone did build it"? |
| 10:51.02 | torrrr | mu532, and by add I mean upgrade |
| 10:51.11 | moshii | torrrr: apt-get/aptitude have build-deps for that sort of thing |
| 10:51.40 | moshii | torrrr: also, the piece of software should have a list of the headers and stuff it'll need so you can install them before you try ;) |
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| 10:52.02 | mu532 | torrrr: that's pretty normal for anything more complex than a toothpick |
| 10:52.36 | torrrr | mu532, but if I get the source and then upgrade all the libs then I am not running stable anymore |
| 10:52.54 | mu532 | torrrr: that's true... but there is also backporting |
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| 10:53.27 | torrrr | there isnt a backport for lots of stuff including evolution |
| 10:54.12 | moshii | torrrr: are you running etch or lenny? |
| 10:54.22 | mu532 | I'm not making a really large statement to you... all I'm really saying is there are different things you can do... we've just chased upgrading and many of the issues around that... |
| 10:54.22 | torrrr | etch |
| 10:54.36 | mu532 | the other part is, old software still works |
| 10:54.44 | moshii | torrrr: well, is it worth messing with backports when lenny is not all that far away? |
| 10:55.16 | torrrr | moshii, I think so too |
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| 10:55.28 | moepman | torr, if you want bleeding edge, try gentoo or lfs |
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| 10:55.39 | snakeoil | how can i check when a deb packet got installed ? |
| 10:55.46 | moshii | torrrr: If the machine isn't something greatly important (if it was you wouldn't be installing backports..) you might as just well upgrade to lenny or sit on your hands until it's released |
| 10:55.50 | torrrr | moepman, gentoo is too much work |
| 10:56.00 | mu532 | snakeoil: is there a package install log? |
| 10:56.04 | moshii | moepman: or sid |
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| 10:56.30 | mu532 | torrrr: ohhh, now we come to the real issue :) |
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| 10:56.44 | et | will the real issue please stand up |
| 10:56.48 | mu532 | I get it now :) |
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| 10:56.57 | moepman | torrrr, not really, only work for your cpu, but i run several systems with it, all smoothly, just the quick install of the basic system, import a config and start compiling, come back in a few hours, done |
| 10:57.01 | Usiu | HI, When I use make-kpkg on kernel tree from git I am getting version missmatch I have this problem http://pastebin.com/f2daecee4 |
| 10:57.03 | Usiu | any help ? |
| 10:57.10 | octoserver | as booting up, i saw a message saying md5 not found, but when i went back to see where it was logged, i cant see it in any of the logs? anyone know which log it would be in ? |
| 10:57.26 | cast | octoserver: could just search em all |
| 10:57.27 | moshii | moepman: all watch as all the dolphins die from people wasting energy |
| 10:58.12 | torrrr | moepman, well the cpu is important as other people use the same computer as X-workstation |
| 10:58.15 | mu532 | you want the debian maints to hurry up and make new stuff and hurry up and get it all working and hurry up and release and hurry up and get lenny+1 set up and hurry up and fill it out and hurry up and freeze it and... |
| 10:58.29 | octoserver | torrrr: i thought i did lol |
| 10:58.37 | moepman | torrrr, its just during installation |
| 10:58.38 | mu532 | it's very clear :) |
| 10:58.53 | moshii | mu532: or just run testing or unstable? |
| 10:59.06 | torrrr | moepman, and also finding how to make hebrew work take forever |
| 10:59.15 | mu532 | he doesn't want to do a lot of work, remember? :) |
| 10:59.17 | themill | or spend less time complaining and more time helping.... |
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| 11:00.07 | eth01 | nice |
| 11:00.20 | torrrr | right |
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| 11:01.10 | torrrr | anyway I am just looking for clamav gui, preferably one with nautilus integration |
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| 11:01.19 | mu532 | torrrr: I got yer number :) and I don't blame you |
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| 11:02.27 | torrrr | and yes I don't want to work for a month in order to make it work |
| 11:02.29 | moshii | torrrr: why do you need that? |
| 11:02.45 | torrrr | moshii, for normal people |
| 11:02.51 | wols | moshii: windows syndrome "gotta have AV" |
| 11:03.02 | wols | torrrr: makes no sense |
| 11:03.11 | moshii | torrrr: yes, but it's not going to pickup any virii that matter to that box |
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| 11:03.39 | torrrr | moshii, meaning windows is the volnerable party? |
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| 11:03.46 | wols | moshii: not totally true. but it's about equal chance to win in the lottery than to catch a linux virus( |
| 11:03.48 | mu532 | torrrr: my tendency is to settle in and use what's available... if I need to build something, I'll do it, and in so doing take over its maintaince as it applies to myself |
| 11:04.04 | moshii | torrrr: the clamav db is 99.9999% windows virii |
| 11:04.08 | wols | torrrr: meaning viruses for windows are an endangered species in the wild |
| 11:04.22 | wols | they do exist but the chance of ecnountering one is very very very small |
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| 11:04.35 | Usiu | :( |
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| 11:04.39 | Usiu | is unhappy |
| 11:04.40 | wols | erm viruses for linux are an endangered species of course |
| 11:04.42 | torrrr | ah |
| 11:04.43 | zu22 | which package provides xauth in lenny/sid? |
| 11:04.46 | mu532 | when I build something I really use it's almost never because I want something new, it's because I want something I control and packaging systems do not |
| 11:04.50 | moshii | wols: clamav doesn't do much for rootkits etc.. so it's not much use unless you're protecting windows users |
| 11:04.53 | wols | !tell zu22 about xauth |
| 11:04.59 | wols | !tell zu22 about search |
| 11:05.10 | torrrr | my users get their files forwarded to windows machine |
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| 11:05.12 | torrrr | that is why |
| 11:05.15 | wols | moshii: I said viruses. and yes they do exist |
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| 11:05.34 | torrrr | I'd rather them checking them on the linux where it is harmless |
| 11:05.39 | wols | torrrr: main clamav use is for sanititing mailservers with window clients |
| 11:05.40 | Drezard | yawn |
| 11:05.44 | my007ms | can i use Ubuntu deb ? |
| 11:05.50 | Drezard | debian still confuses me :( |
| 11:05.57 | fengor | my007ms: no |
| 11:06.07 | wols | moshii: no. you might be able to compile a package from ubuntu source packages. but not use the .debs directly |
| 11:06.13 | torrrr | wols, I do it myself in my mail server |
| 11:06.23 | moshii | wols: very true. But I doubt the clamav db contains enough recent linux targetting virii to make it worth using like a windows anti-virus package |
| 11:06.27 | torrrr | (with clamav) |
| 11:06.28 | wols | torrrr: that's where clamav belongs. not really on the desktop |
| 11:06.30 | my007ms | fengor i need install bpython can don't find it with apt-cache |
| 11:06.31 | themill | torrrr: do you realise that you could have just made a backport of the nautilus-clamscan package in the time you've been complaining here? It's trivial to do. |
| 11:06.31 | my007ms | http://www.noiseforfree.com/bpython/download.html |
| 11:06.42 | zu22 | wols: cool, thanks |
| 11:06.46 | wols | themill: but ranting is fun! |
| 11:07.00 | zu22 | wols: you have a website? |
| 11:07.12 | torrrr | themill, I didn't even know there is such a thing |
| 11:07.17 | zu22 | there used to be a wiki that listed the websites of #debian regulars |
| 11:07.19 | wols | sure. http://localhost |
| 11:07.25 | zu22 | wols: lol |
| 11:08.28 | themill | torrrr: which, nautilus-clamscan or a backport? |
| 11:08.46 | moshii | When you look up tinterweb peoples real lives you find some really weird stuff, so it's best to leave it alone. ;) |
| 11:08.48 | torrrr | themill, nautilus-clamscan |
| 11:08.55 | Drezard | need help setting up sudo |
| 11:08.56 | themill | dpkg: tell torrrr about search |
| 11:09.05 | torrrr | themill, I know search |
| 11:09.08 | fengor | my007ms: then it seems there is no package for it. at least i can not find one on packages.debian.org. consult the author of the software for installation instructions |
| 11:09.17 | Drezard | if i wanted to add the user 'user' (original) to the /etc/sudoers file how do i do it? |
| 11:09.21 | zu22 | moshii: hehe |
| 11:09.21 | torrrr | themill, show me a search that will give me nautilus-clamscan |
| 11:09.28 | themill | torrrr: not very well it seems: apt-cache search clam nautilus |
| 11:09.28 | cast | man sudoers; visudo |
| 11:09.41 | zu22 | moshii: such as my website? www.jesujuva.org :-D |
| 11:09.54 | mu532 | sewerdewers? |
| 11:10.04 | themill | torrrr: and if you don't have lenny/sid in your sources.list, you can also use packages.debian.org |
| 11:10.19 | torrrr | themill, it gave me nothing |
| 11:10.24 | moshii | zu22: yeah, that's very random indeed. |
| 11:10.35 | zu22 | moshii: ^^ |
| 11:11.31 | torrrr | themill, how do I backport? |
| 11:11.39 | themill | dpkg: tell torrrr about ssb |
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| 11:15.23 | torrrr | themill, why add source line for sid? why not lenny? |
| 11:15.54 | themill | torrrr: normally you're backporting from sid. For this package it doesn't matter |
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| 11:16.12 | torrrr | ok |
| 11:17.43 | mu532 | when you compile something, most times it will work just fine to use the version of libs you have |
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| 11:18.25 | mu532 | meaning that most of the time etch libs would work when you build packages from lenny or sid |
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| 11:21.15 | abrotman | Usiu: did you even ask in here? |
| 11:21.41 | Usiu | abrotman: yes |
| 11:21.49 | Usiu | abrotman: started yestarday |
| 11:21.58 | Usiu | abrotman: but still no answer or any solution |
| 11:22.13 | Usiu | abrotman: make clean / distclean make-kpkg clean does not help |
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| 11:23.17 | abrotman | Usiu: does it work with a regular non-git tree? |
| 11:23.45 | Usiu | abrotman: yes but give me 5min to confirm |
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| 11:24.43 | Usiu | abrotman: yes |
| 11:24.51 | Usiu | abrotman: no strange garbage versioning |
| 11:25.00 | abrotman | which tree did you try? |
| 11:26.06 | Usiu | abrotman: the vanilla 2.6.26 one is fine, while git clone git://people.freedesktop.org/~anholt/linux-2.6 linux-2.6-gem-patched ; git checkout -b drm-gem-merge origin/drm-gem-merge has a problems |
| 11:26.15 | abrotman | http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/snapshots/patch-2.6.27-rc5-git5.bz2 |
| 11:26.16 | abrotman | and that one ? |
| 11:26.20 | abrotman | oh .. shit .. just the patch ... |
| 11:26.29 | abrotman | maybe just try the .27-rc5 ? |
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| 11:26.39 | Usiu | abrotman: its not GEM patched as far as I know |
| 11:26.53 | abrotman | Usiu: shocking as this may be .. i have no idea what GEM is |
| 11:27.05 | abrotman | oh .. Jem and the Starlights! |
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| 11:27.10 | lodder | Is it possible to run the stable kernel for xen with the hypervisor of lenny (3.2) ? |
| 11:27.14 | Usiu | abrotman: Graphic Execution Manager which is replacing classic TTM |
| 11:27.25 | Usiu | abrotman: the drm part |
| 11:27.26 | abrotman | too many acronyms! |
| 11:27.45 | abrotman | lodder: wiki.debian.org/Xen ? maybe |
| 11:27.47 | Usiu | abrotman: patch for drm.ko module |
| 11:28.21 | Usiu | abrotman: more about it here http://ph.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=890843 |
| 11:28.29 | lodder | abrotman: thx |
| 11:28.47 | Usiu | abrotman: according to this page compiliation should be fine |
| 11:28.55 | abrotman | Usiu: i just meant to try kernel-package with a .27-rc5 |
| 11:29.06 | Usiu | abrotman: its not GEM enabled |
| 11:29.11 | abrotman | Usiu: it was just a test! |
| 11:29.18 | Usiu | abrotman: oh ok |
| 11:29.22 | abrotman | to see if kp was failing or the source is buggered |
| 11:29.27 | abrotman | but i'm going with the source is buggered |
| 11:29.40 | Usiu | abrotman: I think it only fails on git cloned sources |
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| 11:30.17 | abrotman | Usiu: should be easy to test |
| 11:30.18 | Usiu | abrotman: but I will check, I hope I can get a feed back from You after thank it would be great |
| 11:30.37 | Usiu | *after that |
| 11:30.38 | abrotman | Usiu: also note there is the debian-kernel mailing list .. though i'm not sure how much help they'll be with kernel-package |
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| 11:33.18 | Usiu | abrotman: vanila kernel looks fine |
| 11:33.29 | Usiu | abrotman: no strange versioning |
| 11:33.49 | Usiu | abrotman: I guess some scripts are just broken in this gem enabled kernel then |
| 11:35.40 | abrotman | Usiu: well .. wait a day ... try again .. or re-sync your git |
| 11:35.45 | abrotman | regit your git? |
| 11:36.00 | Usiu | abrotman: I'll try to get diff of scripts directory and apply it on git |
| 11:36.07 | Usiu | abrotman: to get this working |
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| 11:43.27 | multi_io | is there a control sequence / command or something like that for setting the title of the x terminal the control sequence / command was issued in? |
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| 11:45.52 | Usiu | abrotman: chaning scripts does not help |
| 11:46.09 | Usiu | abrotman: but something is wrong with this source |
| 11:46.09 | abrotman | hell .. does it build without using make-kpkg? |
| 11:46.17 | Usiu | abrotman: yes:) |
| 11:46.29 | Usiu | abrotman: it does but I want to build package |
| 11:47.10 | abrotman | okay .. just asking |
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| 11:50.47 | Usiu | abrotman: If you're interested in GEM thing I found a really good review http://www.rojtberg.net/67/exa-uxa-dri-gem-ttm/ |
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| 11:51.07 | Usiu | abrotman: why kernel is patched now because of Xorg |
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| 11:53.14 | torrrr | themill, now, nautilus-clamscan won't install due to python-clamav and python-nautilus |
| 11:53.46 | torrrr | themill, and python-nautilus wont install due to Unmet build dependencies: python-dev python-gtk2-dev (>= 2.8.0) python-gnome2-dev (>= 2.12.1-3) libnautilus-extension-dev (>= 2.6.0) libeel2-dev (>= 2.6.0) |
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| 11:54.20 | abrotman | that's pretty lacking on useful details ... |
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| 11:55.34 | torrrr | abrotman, thats what dpkg checkbuilddeps spitted at me |
| 11:55.43 | abrotman | not you .. someone else |
| 11:55.51 | torrrr | o |
| 11:55.54 | torrrr | ok |
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| 11:57.08 | torrrr | themill, and I have a hunch that trying to install these -dev packages will just bring more and more and more and more and more packages that I need to "backport" |
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| 11:58.59 | torrrr | themill, and what do I know.. I was write, trying to do the first on that list just caused another Unmet build dependencies: debiandoc-sgml python-docutils (>= 0.4-3) |
| 11:59.40 | torrrr | and i don't feel like rebuilding the 'stable' system |
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| 12:00.56 | tralala | torrrr, you don't have to build the build deps - just install them |
| 12:01.16 | torrrr | tralala, from where? |
| 12:01.40 | tralala | from stable (assuming you use stable) |
| 12:02.37 | tralala | or from backports if available |
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| 12:04.16 | boulbul | hi, I have installed grub on a usb device for ubuntu... I can get it now to boot but it stops at the grub prompt, and entrering the command boot gives me the following: kernel must be loaded before booting |
| 12:04.22 | boulbul | any help please? |
| 12:05.06 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu ? |
| 12:05.36 | boulbul | abrotman: thanks |
| 12:05.47 | themill | tralala, torrrr: these are versioned build-deps and they can't just be installed from stable. |
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| 12:06.07 | themill | torrrr: you might be right... this could turn into a backporting nightmare. Bad luck :( |
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| 12:11.28 | torrrr | tralala, themill , you were right, it was on stable, but after installing it I don't see any difference in nautilus :( |
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| 12:13.43 | nachos | harro, where in the docs can i find info on what comes on each CD. |
| 12:13.56 | wols | !cd content |
| 12:13.56 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 12:14.59 | torrrr | there was supposed to be a scan for viruses when right click a file |
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| 12:17.30 | bbinotto | hi, a need good document oder string analysis tool, to analyse charset and non-visible chars and so on, does anyone know a tool? |
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| 12:17.55 | badiane | ehlo |
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| 12:19.00 | badiane | I have question concerning xorg.conf |
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| 12:20.40 | emilsedgh | i removed mysql's root user by accident.so i stopped mysql service and started it by mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables and re-created root user.by the root user has access to none of the databases.how can i give access to it? |
| 12:21.26 | et | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/grant.html |
| 12:21.30 | badiane | I have noticed recently that some parameters parameters have been removed from the conf file and are handled by debconf. If I need to edit some of the parameters or even change them how would I go about it |
| 12:21.56 | emilsedgh | et: i cannot access GRANT in this mode |
| 12:22.05 | emilsedgh | et: The MySQL server is running with the --skip-grant-tables option so it cannot execute this statement |
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| 12:23.03 | et | emilsedgh: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html |
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| 12:23.20 | emilsedgh | thanks et |
| 12:23.22 | et | emilsedgh: use an init file, not --skip... |
| 12:23.39 | emilsedgh | ok |
| 12:24.14 | nachos | for a basic install, ( X, blackbox, perl, gcc ) how many CD's do i need to download, and what ones? |
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| 12:26.51 | abrotman | nachos: if you hve broadband .. use the netinst |
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| 12:34.05 | heroxbd | Ah.... finally I found that there is a misbehaving DHCP server offering 192.168.*.* ip to our server. |
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| 12:35.14 | tralala | two dhcp servers in the same network? yes, this is trouble |
| 12:35.43 | heroxbd | I find there is an "reject" option in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf. But it can reject a single ip. Is there a way to reject a whole subnet, say 192.168.0.0/16 |
| 12:36.33 | heroxbd | We can't track down where the 192.168.*.* dhcp server is. And we can't find our network administrator either. |
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| 12:38.58 | xingu | heroxbd: without answering your question - if it's a windows box, try firstly looking at the dhcp offer to find the rouge's own ip address, then perhaps try nbtstat -A ip.ad.dr.es (nbtstat either under 'doze, or from samba) to see if it's a windows box itself. |
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| 12:39.31 | heroxbd | xingu: It is a debian box. |
| 12:39.50 | reisi | does anyone know if it's possible to use bnx2 driver in netinst? it seems that it is included in the image but it seems to be missing a firmware file |
| 12:40.37 | xingu | heroxbd: the reject keyword rejects the server's address; is this insufficient? |
| 12:40.58 | p1ngp0ng | do i need to set a password to my sql (instead of tty auth) if im going to to use mysql-admin to administrate it? |
| 12:41.29 | themill | heroxbd: rogue dhcp servers are often some silly windows box with internet connection sharing turned on. (Or a NAS that is trying to be "helpful") |
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| 12:41.42 | xingu | heroxbd: and as it happens dhcp3-client at least can reject any server in a range exactly as per your syntax above (192.168.0.0/16 for eg) |
| 12:41.50 | badiane | hi! I'm having an issue with my X server. I'm installing on an old sony z505js with a neomagic chipset. I noticed that the neofb is what's available right now. I would like to see the parameters used for xorg's configuration but most of the parameters are absent in the file (handled by debconf). How do I go about locating the parameters, editing them and try to fix the problem? My mouse pointer is not showing so I'm doing my best to |
| 12:41.53 | reisi | okey it seems that it's work in progress (bug #487228) |
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| 12:43.30 | heroxbd | xingu: really? last time I tried 192.168.0.0/16 it gave an error. I'll try it again. |
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| 12:43.54 | badiane | where does debconf store the xorg.conf parameters and how would I access them if possible? |
| 12:44.09 | heroxbd | themill: Chances are that some people plugged a router with dhcp function mistakenly. |
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| 12:44.41 | heroxbd | themill: I can nmap that dhcp server and found it is a "D-Link 624+A" |
| 12:44.52 | themill | heh... nice |
| 12:45.09 | datacrusher | hi folks! where do i allow ssh access on debian etch? |
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| 12:45.40 | badiane | datacrusher: what kind of access |
| 12:45.54 | datacrusher | iv found some tutorials, but about chroot ssh |
| 12:46.03 | datacrusher | i need full ssh access |
| 12:46.05 | datacrusher | not chrooted |
| 12:46.19 | badiane | is this your box |
| 12:46.20 | datacrusher | ill access the debian machine trough putty, froma windows machine |
| 12:46.23 | xingu | heroxbd: I'd laugh if your network administrator was tooling around with a shiny new dlink 624 |
| 12:46.24 | datacrusher | im on the debian box |
| 12:46.27 | sep | datacrusher, just install the ssh server ? aptitude install ssh |
| 12:46.33 | badiane | you have an account on the box |
| 12:47.11 | datacrusher | yes |
| 12:47.33 | datacrusher | i think it wasnt installed .. lemme check if its avaiable now |
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| 12:48.59 | heroxbd | xingu: lol. Not at all. I haven't seen my network admin for ages. |
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| 12:49.32 | sep | i am looking for a wiki that is easy to secure. and there is quite a lot of them in debian. anyone have a wiki that is easy to secure. I have some experience with moinmoin. going to be used for sensitive documentation. |
| 12:50.19 | cast | maybe rely on more than just the wiki's [in]security features |
| 12:50.21 | xingu | heroxbd: if you have manageable switches you need to look into their layer 2 forwarding cache; on a cisco this is "show mac-address-table" (or sometimes "show mac address-table") |
| 12:50.52 | heroxbd | sep: aren't moinmoin secure enough? if it is extremely sensitive, you can consider SVN/git or so. |
| 12:50.54 | themill | sep: my only experience with moinmoin is wiki.debian.org and I hate it with a passion. But I hate wikis at the best of times. |
| 12:50.56 | xingu | heroxbd: armed with the rogue server's mac address (from your own host's arp cache) this will tell you which switch port the rogue is reached-via from the switch's point of view |
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| 12:52.45 | badiane | if I need to edit data handled by debconf where do I go and how do I do it? |
| 12:53.17 | heroxbd | xingu: But the switch is only available to our net admin. |
| 12:53.20 | sep | badiane, dpkg-reconfigure packageinquestion ? |
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| 12:53.39 | xingu | heroxbd: fair do. |
| 12:54.14 | sep | heroxbd, dont know.. hence why i ask. |
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| 12:54.52 | sep | cast, i do have multiple layers. but the adoption rate is low becouse of this so i am trying to lower the threshold while keeping secure |
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| 12:56.58 | sep | found the pain :: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software |
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| 12:57.33 | badiane | the question I had was about the location of the conf params and how to edit them. Hiding stuff from the user is not one of my favorite. I shouldn't have to dpkg reconfigure when I want to change something. I'd like to see what's there and tune it to my taste. I take it that I may be able to just stick stuff in the file. I know that if I generate a conf file using X and put it in place it will work. |
| 12:57.48 | badiane | I'm just a bit bothered by not knowing. |
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| 12:58.43 | badiane | before I would go and edit my xorg.conf when I needed to do something. Now it's skeletal |
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| 12:59.55 | themill | badiane: ahh so now we actually have enough information to answer your *real* question which is about configuring X... lenny's X doesn't need a config file for the most part. |
| 13:00.25 | badiane | ok |
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| 13:00.38 | badiane | where is the information kept |
| 13:00.46 | badiane | I forget to say that I was running testing |
| 13:01.05 | badiane | I'm looking at the log and I can see the parameters it's using |
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| 13:01.34 | sep | badiane, debconf's database is defined in /etc/debconf.conf |
| 13:01.45 | sep | badiane, install debconf-doc and try man 7 debconf |
| 13:01.55 | themill | badiane: the debconf settings are accessible by debconf-set-selections and debconf-get-selections, but that's not going to help you here. |
| 13:02.04 | badiane | the thing is that my mouse and some windows decorations are not showing. The mouse exists but is invisible. |
| 13:02.13 | badiane | I believe that it's using the neofb |
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| 13:02.38 | badiane | ok |
| 13:03.52 | badiane | installing the debconf docs and will take a look at it. |
| 13:04.01 | ayers1 | I've lost my wireless setup via network-manager during recent updates in lenny. |
| 13:04.07 | multi_io | when I'm in a shell in an xterm and cd to a different directory, the xterm's title is changed to contain the directory's name. How is this implemented? Is there a special terminal control sequence for communicating the title changed to the xterm? |
| 13:04.29 | heroxbd | xingu: I just found that dhcp 3.1.1 shipped with sid is addmitting "reject 192.168.0.0/16;". And what I tried was 3.0.x, which can only reject one at once, i guess. |
| 13:04.30 | ayers1 | I was wondering whether there is a web page where the latest migrations to lenny are listed |
| 13:04.32 | badiane | it's an older machine and the older docs are the sources of info available |
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| 13:06.00 | themill | multi_io: yes. |
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| 13:07.01 | themill | multi_io: It can be done either in PROMPT_COMMAND or in PS1. Other terminals like konsole allow you to also set the tab name and colour using similar escape sequences. |
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| 13:14.46 | stodan | where is base64 command? |
| 13:14.56 | suwro | hello |
| 13:15.04 | stodan | i have it on ubuntu, but it is missing on debian, aptitude tells nothing about it |
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| 13:15.31 | suwro | can I have in bind a subdomain that requested from outside to have a real ip and from intranet an intranet ip ?? |
| 13:15.42 | stew | !find bin/base64 etch |
| 13:15.42 | petemc | suwro: yes, views |
| 13:15.52 | suwro | ex: backup.domain.xx => 82.xxxx / 192.168.xx |
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| 13:15.58 | sep | stodan it's in the coreutils package |
| 13:16.26 | suwro | petemc: how can I do this - the resolver is the router. |
| 13:16.49 | stodan | sep, i have coreutils installed, but command is missing |
| 13:16.53 | petemc | suwro: if you're using bind, like you said you were, you set up views, its well documented |
| 13:17.06 | suwro | views. ok thank you |
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| 13:17.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/base64' (2): (/usr/bin/base64tool) in graphics/mkvtoolnix ;; (/usr/share/fml/bin/{base64decode.pl|base64encode.pl}) in mail/fml. |
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| 13:19.06 | multi_io | themill: thanks, I see |
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| 13:20.45 | stew | stodan: it doesn't appear to exist in stable, 'apt-cache search base64' should list some alternatives |
| 13:21.10 | stodan | rotfl |
| 13:22.07 | themill | multi_io: google for "bash prompt howto" for more information and examples |
| 13:22.27 | cast | i use uuencode -m |
| 13:22.51 | cast | [when i want to base64 encode things] |
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| 13:24.36 | themill | stodan: bin/base64 doesn't appear in any ubuntu packages either, according to packages.ubuntu.com. |
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| 13:25.41 | stodan | it is in ubuntu |
| 13:26.10 | stodan | cast, echo test | uuencode -m ? |
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| 13:26.35 | JyZyXEL | i was wondering how to convert bin to dec one day |
| 13:26.41 | Merchelo | hi, just wondering if anyone knows a ballpark date for the release of lenny? |
| 13:26.42 | cast | echo test | uuencode -m - |
| 13:26.44 | JyZyXEL | any cool tools that do it? |
| 13:26.52 | themill | dpkg: tell Merchelo about wwlr |
| 13:27.22 | stodan | uuencode is crappy, i will just copy base64 from ubuntu |
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| 13:27.57 | themill | stodan: what's the output of "type -a base64" and "dpkg -S bin/base64" on your ubuntu box |
| 13:28.18 | stodan | base64 is /usr/bin/base64 |
| 13:28.43 | stodan | coreutils: /usr/bin/base64 |
| 13:29.15 | themill | stodan: and what ubuntu release are you using? |
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| 13:29.19 | stodan | i think i was wrong about debian, its stable is too old for me |
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| 13:29.33 | stodan | 8.04 |
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| 13:29.40 | liable | base64 is in my coreituls.. |
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| 13:30.13 | liable | pilsner:~# dpkg -L coreutils |grep base64 |
| 13:30.13 | liable | /usr/share/man/man1/base64.1.gz |
| 13:30.13 | liable | /usr/bin/base64 |
| 13:30.46 | themill | hmmmm I'm going for packages.ubuntu.com being broken then... it lists the file in coreutils for hardy but doesn't find it with a search. meh. |
| 13:31.04 | cast | lol @ uuencode being crappy. |
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| 13:31.54 | themill | liable: lenny/sid but not in etch, it seems |
| 13:32.04 | liable | themill: yep |
| 13:32.08 | stodan | cast, it appends trash to the output |
| 13:32.13 | stodan | i just want base64 |
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| 13:33.12 | cast | trash being a 1 line head and footer which is trivial to cut off? |
| 13:33.42 | cast | could use python oneliner |
| 13:34.05 | Merchelo | thanks themill |
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| 13:34.46 | stodan | cast, but i need extra commands to strip that, instead of just base64... it is difference while typing commands |
| 13:35.17 | themill | stodan: you could work to get lenny released sooner and then you'd have base64 in debian stable. |
| 13:35.28 | cast | 0 ~$ echo hi|python -c "import sys; sys.stdout.write(sys.stdin.read().encode('base64'))" |
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| 13:36.02 | jnr | hey does anybody reckon they culd give me like 5 dolars for a domain ill do anything for it please |
| 13:36.10 | cast | stodan: hello aliases :) |
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| 13:36.27 | cast | jnr: how old are you |
| 13:36.34 | jnr | 16 |
| 13:36.47 | cast | have you checked the sofa |
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| 13:44.41 | tnks | can only root change file ownership to another user? |
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| 13:45.35 | cast | no smack-utils in lenny huh :( |
| 13:46.21 | hoxu | tnks, nah, I think you can change a file to another group you are in, for example |
| 13:46.58 | hoxu | tnks, hrem, actually, what you said was right, you can't change the owner yourself :p |
| 13:47.38 | tnks | hoxu: gotcha. . . you can change the group ownership to another group you're in. . . but no the actual user owner. |
| 13:48.01 | ericpersson | Anyone knows if its possible to configure a debianclient to connect to lt2p-vpn connection? |
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| 13:48.24 | hoxu | tnks, yeah, but well... allowing that wouldn't be a good idea anyway. You could change your ~ to another user and never be able to revert that change for example |
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| 13:48.41 | FreakGuard | where to set the rights for new created homes? |
| 13:48.50 | hoxu | tnks, what is the actual need or problem you have? |
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| 13:49.35 | hoxu | FreakGuard, not absolutely sure, but it could be the permissions on /etc/skel |
| 13:49.45 | hoxu | FreakGuard, look at the adduser script |
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| 13:51.22 | stew | FreakGuard: /etc/adduser.conf ; dpkg-reconfigure adduser |
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| 13:52.03 | hoxu | right, DIR_MODE in adduser.conf |
| 13:52.17 | FreakGuard | that works for LDAP too? |
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| 13:55.30 | tnks | hoxu: I actually don't have a need. |
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| 13:55.45 | tigersuit | anyone usiing enlightenment 16 here? |
| 13:55.51 | tnks | I just use sudo at home, so I've never thought about it. |
| 13:55.51 | hoxu | !polls |
| 13:55.51 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 13:56.18 | Orion_X11 | Does xmms2 have any skins? |
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| 13:56.33 | Orion_X11 | I don't see xmms in my synaptic |
| 13:56.34 | cast | tigersuit: ja |
| 13:56.35 | tigersuit | i wanted to know because i got an enlightenment problem here. |
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| 13:56.51 | Orion_X11 | I am using testing |
| 13:56.52 | pseubodot | tigersuit: most of western civilization has that same problem |
| 13:57.01 | pseubodot | :) |
| 13:57.19 | pseubodot | I'm using e16. what's your issue? |
| 13:57.22 | hoxu | tigersuit, tip: make the third line contain some real information |
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| 13:57.35 | tigersuit | wie komme ich übers terminal in den menu-editor? der ist aus meinem menu verschwunden, nachdem ich selbigen einen eintrag hinzufügen wollte.. |
| 13:57.40 | hoxu | !debian-de |
| 13:57.48 | hoxu | !de |
| 13:57.48 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 13:58.24 | tigersuit | so does anyone know how to sart the e16 menu editor from terminal? |
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| 14:01.29 | tnks | but at work, we have an application-specific etc directory with no world privileges. The best solution I have is to make an "appstaff" group and set the setgid bit on our app/etc directory. |
| 14:01.31 | pseubodot | tigersuit: e16menuedit |
| 14:01.42 | pseubodot | tigersuit: didn't take me long to find on google. google is your friend. |
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| 14:03.11 | cast | aptitude search 16, too :) |
| 14:03.17 | cast | erm, e16, |
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| 14:04.39 | pseubodot | cast: true that. |
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| 14:06.25 | tigersuit | e16menuedit command not found |
| 14:06.32 | abrotman | pseubodot: really? you still use that? |
| 14:07.09 | tigersuit | i already got it installed. otherwise would not have been able to mess up my menu.. |
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| 14:10.02 | torrrr | is it possible to send something to an ftp folder with one line on the cli? |
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| 14:10.26 | cast | sure. ncftpput would be one way |
| 14:10.33 | themill | torrrr: ncftpput works nicely |
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| 14:10.37 | torrrr | thanks |
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| 14:12.57 | torrrr | can't find it, is it standard package name? |
| 14:13.14 | themill | dpkg: tell torrrr about search |
| 14:13.25 | torrrr | themill, I searched |
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| 14:13.56 | themill | not well enough... use apt-file or packages.debian.org |
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| 14:14.45 | hoxu | torrrr, ncftp |
| 14:15.00 | torrrr | hoxu, thanks |
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| 14:19.01 | Jentown_Chiller1 | hallo |
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| 14:20.43 | leftStanding | hi, i'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction. i'm writing a program in linux and i want to create a plug-in capability. a specific directory contains modules that are loadable at run-time and can interact with the main program. what are my options? |
| 14:21.41 | jMCg | leftStanding: ld() |
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| 14:23.36 | leftStanding | jMCg: cool, i'll check that out |
| 14:23.49 | leftStanding | thats for loading library files dynamically, right? |
| 14:24.12 | jMCg | Yes. |
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| 14:26.59 | algoritmo | I want to do a tunnel with OpenSSH in Debian, "modprobe tun" loads the module but "ifconfig -a" doesn't show the tun0 interface, why? |
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| 14:29.19 | tralala | algoritmo, this is not how you do tunnels with openssh |
| 14:30.32 | danners | is there a way to disable mouse cursor in X? |
| 14:31.03 | algoritmo | only i want to create the tun0 interface, i already put "PermitTunnel point-to-point" in sshd_config. |
| 14:31.06 | webPragmatist | hey I am trying to backup to a cifs (samba) mount and rdiff-backup keeps making the directory read only by the user... I set gid uid and the umask for the mount :\ |
| 14:31.08 | hoxu | tralala, I think he's speaking of this: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/539 |
| 14:31.12 | webPragmatist | how can I f ix this |
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| 14:31.56 | webPragmatist | rwx * |
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| 14:33.36 | algoritmo | hoxu: you are right, i'm speaking of that URL |
| 14:34.21 | tralala | hoxu, interesting, I didn't know about that |
| 14:36.50 | jMCg | Can someone tell me what that means: |
| 14:36.51 | jMCg | jmcg@panic ~ % dpkg -S =sendmail |
| 14:36.51 | jMCg | dpkg: /usr/bin/sendmail not found. |
| 14:36.51 | dpkg | jMCg: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 14:36.51 | tralala | algoritmo, tun0 will appear when an appliaction creates it. In this case it's ssh that's creating in |
| 14:37.56 | algoritmo | thanks tralala |
| 14:38.09 | nachos | hey.. um, how many cds do i need to download if i want debian + gcc + X + perl? |
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| 14:38.41 | tralala | nachos, only the netinst if you have a broadband connection |
| 14:38.48 | jMCg | nachos: do you have an internet conn... |
| 14:38.51 | jMCg | What tralala said. |
| 14:39.00 | nachos | yeah, i got a bad net connection |
| 14:39.03 | nachos | 50kbps |
| 14:39.16 | nachos | ide rather download the CD's i need and thats it. |
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| 14:39.36 | tralala | nachos, cd1 does have X and perl, but I'm not sure about gcc |
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| 14:41.52 | tralala | nachos, it has gcc as well, so cd1 |
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| 14:43.43 | aronofsky | hi, anyone here familiar with whois, id like to get as-macro fields for a given AS-number ? |
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| 14:47.41 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 14:47.41 | dpkg | <nevyn_> lazybone: DIE <lazybone> nevyn_: What is DIE? |
| 14:47.59 | liable | not so funny |
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| 14:48.15 | tralala | !lose liable |
| 14:48.15 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
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| 14:48.41 | liable | no, i win. i have no need to explain |
| 14:49.03 | liable | !ignore tralala |
| 14:49.03 | dpkg | sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, tralala" |
| 14:49.05 | karrotx | i added the sarge volatile package and when i do `apt-cache policy spamassassin` it still choses starge stable sources; any ideas why? |
| 14:49.12 | tralala | yes, but really, no: you don't |
| 14:49.19 | liable | i cant help but do that every once in a while :P |
| 14:49.59 | tralala | bot abuse never gets old |
| 14:50.07 | liable | heh |
| 14:50.13 | themill | karrotx: are you mixing etch and sarge-volatile? |
| 14:50.22 | karrotx | no |
| 14:50.37 | liable | does volatile even still support sarge? |
| 14:50.41 | themill | karrotx: " <karrotx> i added the sarge volatile package a..." |
| 14:50.43 | liable | i would be surprised |
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| 14:50.47 | karrotx | deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile sarge/volatile main contrib non-free |
| 14:50.52 | karrotx | that's from the volatile website |
| 14:51.07 | themill | karrotx: sarge is not stable and hasn't been for 18 months. |
| 14:51.20 | liable | does security even still support sarge? |
| 14:51.28 | themill | no |
| 14:51.28 | stew | liable: not since april |
| 14:51.39 | karrotx | right, i explicitly use sarge; not 'stable' i just meant it was using sarge packages |
| 14:51.39 | stew | making sarge more stable than ever before! |
| 14:51.50 | themill | hmm |
| 14:52.16 | themill | karrotx: can you pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy spamassassin |
| 14:52.27 | themill | karrotx: oh, and you really really really should upgrade to etch |
| 14:52.41 | karrotx | i know, this is a mail server that i can't afford to take down |
| 14:52.44 | liable | karrotx: you could do us all a favour and get with the times and use a supported version of debian.. |
| 14:52.48 | karrotx | it's the last of the boxes to migrate |
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| 14:53.12 | jeffd_ | Does debian (testing) do wireless networks automatically for the most part? |
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| 14:53.20 | karrotx | http://pastebin.com/m5dd8ef3 |
| 14:53.27 | wols | jeffd_: it can't |
| 14:53.40 | liable | sheesh, even with *debian* you cant keep up with releases? |
| 14:53.41 | karrotx | http://pastebin.com/m19e49009 |
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| 14:54.11 | karrotx | ...right, like I said, this is the last box to migrate |
| 14:54.24 | karrotx | shit happens when you buy a company that was last updated in 1999 |
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| 14:54.56 | wols | karrotx: then upgrade to etch, THEN install SA |
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| 14:55.38 | Cripps | if eid is effective ID and rid is real ID, then what is sid ? |
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| 14:56.07 | quitte | Cripps: DO WOODCHUCKS CHUCK WOOD? |
| 14:56.10 | quitte | sorry |
| 14:56.14 | quitte | caps lock |
| 14:56.17 | themill | karrotx: there's no volatile packages for spamassassin for sarge. |
| 14:56.37 | Cripps | 0_o |
| 14:56.47 | karrotx | themill: i was trying to check on that, how did you determine it? |
| 14:57.19 | Cripps | this is actually a serious question. I assume it's "set id" but I want to double check before I make any source code changes. |
| 14:57.25 | karrotx | i went to the sources page -> dists -> sarge -> volatile -> main; but there were no packages |
| 14:57.27 | cognitiaclaeves | Plan to set up a mirrored serial server. Employer has asked that I set it up with Linux MD RAID. I found a FAQ explaining how to setup RAID through the installer. Does the installer use the Linux MD Kernel extension to do this, or is it using something different? |
| 14:57.35 | themill | karrotx: http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/dists/sarge/volatile/main/binary-i386/Packages (but your output of apt-cache policy also shows that) |
| 14:57.43 | Led_Zeppelin | hello, is anyone using fuse here? |
| 14:57.55 | Kovensky | for me it Just Works |
| 14:57.56 | jeffd_ | Can testing be installed with just the first cd? |
| 14:57.57 | quitte | Cripps: ifyou aretalking about the unstable debian release it's pretty much just a name. or an acronym for still in development |
| 14:57.59 | Kovensky | ntfs-3g |
| 14:58.01 | stew | Led_Zeppelin: many people are, just ask your real question |
| 14:58.12 | Led_Zeppelin | stew: thanks. |
| 14:58.21 | Cripps | quitte, nope ... not asking about debian unstable ;) |
| 14:58.31 | quitte | Cripps: obviously you are not. so what are you talking about? |
| 14:58.33 | Led_Zeppelin | I would like to mount up a tar.gz file as a filesystem. Is that possible to do with fuse? |
| 14:58.40 | Cripps | quitte, permissions. |
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| 14:59.10 | Cripps | quitte, besides ... SID is named after sid from toy story ... the unstable kid who likes to blow stuff up. |
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| 14:59.22 | karrotx | themill: thanks |
| 14:59.25 | quitte | Cripps: yes I know. |
| 14:59.58 | stew | Cripps: where are you seing these terms? |
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| 15:02.28 | JonLur | Charset problem UTF-8. Just setup a new Xen domainU with Etch and apache/php/mysql. Transfered an okay site from another clean Etch. UTF-8 chars does not show up. Can the special libc in the Xen installation create problems? |
| 15:02.53 | themill | JonLur: where do these characters "not show up"? |
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| 15:05.03 | jnr | hey guys is anyone generous enough to give me five bucks im willing to do anything aye please guys |
| 15:05.21 | Led_Zeppelin | cool. anything? |
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| 15:06.19 | JonLur | themill: Sorry not enough information. On the webpage. On the Xen installation they show up as UTF-8 code and not as our nice norwegian letters |
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| 15:07.28 | themill | JonLur: it's unlikely to be your installation's problem.... but some tweaking with mysql and/or your php. Check that things are correct in the database using phpmyadmin or the mysql command line tool. |
| 15:07.46 | themill | dpkg: tell JonLur about mysql utf8 |
| 15:08.23 | goksin | dpkg: !mysql |
| 15:08.24 | dpkg | goksin: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 15:08.49 | goksin | Nice reply ;) |
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| 15:09.10 | JonLur | themill: What about utf8 and mysql? Sorry i'm a newbie here |
| 15:09.43 | themill | JonLur: dpkg sent you some more information in a private message. It probably opened up a new tab or window. |
| 15:09.46 | goksin | JonLur: You had to consult the MySQL documentatipon about UTF-8 |
| 15:10.08 | goksin | themill: It says "I wish you would RTFM." |
| 15:10.18 | goksin | That is what I typed and get in response |
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| 15:10.38 | goksin | DPKG won't tell you MYSQL and related stuff |
| 15:10.38 | dpkg | goksin: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 15:10.54 | themill | goksin: /msg dpkg mysql |
| 15:10.56 | JonLur | I find it strange that it works on one fresh installation and not on another with Xen in bottom |
| 15:10.59 | goksin | here comes more: goksin: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 15:11.14 | themill | goksin: you're failing at talking to the bot |
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| 15:11.24 | goksin | I know |
| 15:11.34 | goksin | I did it on purpose |
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| 15:11.45 | goksin | Some clever guy suggested it |
| 15:11.46 | goksin | ;) |
| 15:11.53 | themill | uhuh |
| 15:12.11 | goksin | As can read above: "themill: dpkg: tell JonLur about mysql utf8" |
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| 15:12.47 | themill | dpkg: confuse goksin |
| 15:12.47 | dpkg | Yes, who are our mushroom tomorrow, goksin? shirts of the people's republic of tibet with extra anchovies |
| 15:12.56 | goksin | Such issues related to servers and so are documented |
| 15:13.02 | goksin | Thanks themill |
| 15:13.11 | goksin | You are a real smart guy ;) |
| 15:13.38 | goksin | JonLur did |
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| 15:14.08 | themill | goksin: do you have a question related to debian-support that we can help you with? |
| 15:14.10 | goksin | JonLur: If you set up a MySQL server on Xen, UTF-8 is a common trouble |
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| 15:15.35 | goksin | JonLur: I can advise you to look at MySQL documentation. AFAIK Xen and UTF issues were discussed on various e-mail lists |
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| 15:16.10 | goksin | themill: I do not have any support questions due to I consult the documentation |
| 15:16.23 | goksin | Thanks a lot for your kind response |
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| 15:17.07 | Cripps | quitte, sorry, I had to run off for a meeting |
| 15:17.17 | infinity0 | i recently upgraded to the latest version of flashplugin-nonfree on sid and now it's not being detected |
| 15:17.20 | Cripps | stew, I am seeing these terms in proc code. |
| 15:17.52 | stew | Cripps: what do you mean by "proc code"? |
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| 15:18.18 | Cripps | stew, as in not devfs, but procfs |
| 15:18.22 | spq | i want to have a live/rescue system bootable via pxe, pxe and the kernel with nfsroot support is ready but i need a debian installation in a directory that is capable of working with an read only root filesystem... any tips how i can create such a system? |
| 15:18.31 | Cripps | stew, and the C code that makes up proc |
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| 15:19.12 | liable | theres c code in proc? |
| 15:19.22 | Cripps | liable, no, procfs is written in C |
| 15:19.35 | liable | oh, the kernel code.. |
| 15:19.39 | Cripps | yes! |
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| 15:19.59 | liable | Cripps: wrong channel i think |
| 15:20.09 | webPragmatist | when mounting whats the difference between setting a umask and a file_mode/dir_mode ? |
| 15:20.14 | Kovensky_ | spq: same system as livecds? |
| 15:20.21 | Kovensky_ | goes away |
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| 15:20.29 | JonLur | goksin: Thanks |
| 15:20.37 | spq | Kovensky, no - with ssh and should not be used for isntallation |
| 15:21.41 | goksin | Jonlur: No problem. I had a similar problem with Xen and still keeping the old server up till I can find a solution |
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| 15:22.55 | micols | how is it you restart bind 8.x gracefully? |
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| 15:23.11 | micols | i just want to apply a PTR record. |
| 15:23.17 | micols | should i just wait for it |
| 15:23.52 | stew | micols: i don't know if bind 8 has rndc, if it does, that would be the tool to use |
| 15:24.12 | stew | micols: in general bind 8 should only be used by people to lazy to migrate to bind 9. is there some reason you are not yet on bind9? |
| 15:25.12 | micols | stew: its just an internal nameserver in my home and firewalled so i didnt take the time to upgrade it, even though i know the security implications |
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| 15:30.18 | alexandre__ | is it possible to do a netinst via a usb wi-fi network adapter? |
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| 15:31.40 | jpinx | I'm have a no-X debian install on very limited hardware, but I need a really basic graphical browser with nothing more than an address bar - which will presumably need a really simple X setup - any ideas? |
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| 15:33.20 | stew | jpinx: links2 -g or w3m are browsers which support graphical browsing from the console (with no need for X). dillo is a lightweight browser requiring X |
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| 15:33.50 | stew | alexandre__: yes, but how difficult it would be depends on which chipset it uses |
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| 15:37.15 | kenjy | if I get 2008/09/04 10:36:43 [alert] 9243#0: accept() failed (24: Too many open files) while accepting new connection on 0.0.0.0:80 I have a inodes problem? |
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| 15:37.35 | alexandre__ | stew: its a ralink chipset (rt570), if I manage to find drivers for that, how do I install drivers during netinst? |
| 15:37.35 | Kovensky | limits problem |
| 15:37.52 | alexandre__ | using a floppy? |
| 15:38.29 | kenjy | alexandre__: no in a HD |
| 15:38.52 | kenjy | Kovensky: how can I know how many inodes do I have ussed and free |
| 15:39.36 | petemc | df -i |
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| 15:41.13 | valdyn | kenjy: inodes is unrelated to your problem |
| 15:41.38 | datacrusher | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.44 | stew | alexandre__: i'm sorry, i'm not familiar with that chipset |
| 15:41.47 | kenjy | valdyn: who controlls the number of opened files? |
| 15:41.54 | datacrusher | im gottin this on log with samba, but my samba its only a file server, not a domain controller |
| 15:42.02 | valdyn | kenjy: the kernel |
| 15:42.13 | datacrusher | anyone gots some clue what will it be? i cant access with some stations |
| 15:42.28 | wols | alexandre__: you mean rt2570. I'd do a basic netinst, then install the drivers and lastly install the rest |
| 15:42.51 | kenjy | valdyn: www:/# ulimit |
| 15:42.51 | kenjy | unlimited |
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| 15:43.44 | valdyn | kenjy: /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
| 15:43.58 | alexandre__ | yes. in fact I was wrong: its chipset is rt73, but I guess that doesnt change much |
| 15:44.03 | Kovensky | is thinking about switching to sid |
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| 15:44.09 | Kovensky | does it bork much? |
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| 15:44.16 | wols | Kovensky: yes |
| 15:44.21 | Kovensky | :( |
| 15:44.29 | Kovensky | when will lenny+1's repos be opened then? |
| 15:44.46 | Kovensky | likes cutting edge but not stuff that will burn your pc |
| 15:44.48 | wols | only some time after lenny goes stable |
| 15:44.52 | jpinx | stew: thanks - reading... |
| 15:44.54 | kenjy | valyn: unlimit -n shows 1024 |
| 15:45.25 | tralala | lenny+1 = squeeze |
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| 15:46.35 | tralala | Kovensky, is there anything unclear about "cutting" in "cutting edge"? |
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| 15:50.46 | Kovensky | tralala: I build aegisub, ffmpeg, lib{d{ca,vd{css,nav,read}},oil}, mkvtoolnix, mplayer, nouveau, schroedinger, wine, x264 and wine all from svn/git repos |
| 15:50.51 | Kovensky | tralala: none of them borked on me so far |
| 15:51.36 | tralala | so far |
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| 15:51.52 | Kovensky | tralala: I've been doing that since march this year =p |
| 15:52.21 | tralala | debian has been making stable releases since 1993 |
| 15:53.47 | thedonvaughn | well stable since '94 atleast :) |
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| 16:02.22 | Kovensky | tralala: I mean latest version for everything without breaking your stuff |
| 16:02.34 | Kovensky | and not some version from almost 2 years ago |
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| 16:02.48 | Kovensky | looks at mplayer-rc2 |
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| 16:03.19 | lodder | question: xen doesn't create vif interfaces but only peth1 interface? how can it be resolved |
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| 16:10.12 | jafn82 | hi all |
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| 16:11.27 | sanmarcos | how can I check for disk activity of a process from the console? something like this http://skitch.com/sanmarcos/incp/shades |
| 16:11.34 | js_ | anybody here who'd like to explain how to use an lsa tool? |
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| 16:12.30 | Kovensky | sanmarcos: I think there is something called iotop |
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| 16:13.37 | sanmarcos | not for OS X |
| 16:13.38 | sanmarcos | for Linux |
| 16:13.45 | Kovensky | sanmarcos: apt-get install iotop |
| 16:15.01 | sanmarcos | Kovensky: ah my kernel doesn't support that |
| 16:15.11 | Kovensky | then I don't know =/ |
| 16:15.22 | jpinx | when trying to get links2 running I am getting /dev/fb0 "not available" and svgalib - cannot get I/O Permissions - anyone able to help? |
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| 16:15.29 | sanmarcos | in OS X it uses Dtrace apparently |
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| 16:18.30 | wols | jpinx: do you try to run it with -g? |
| 16:18.48 | jpinx | wols: yes |
| 16:19.17 | wols | usually svgalib needs root permissions to access the device nodes |
| 16:19.39 | jpinx | ah - maybe I should try running it as root? |
| 16:19.41 | wols | framebuzffer fb0 should be there with debian kernels IIRC |
| 16:19.42 | cognitiaclaeves | Just installed etch. What did Debian do to make the mirrors fail? |
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| 16:20.02 | wols | jpinx: try, at least for debugging purposes. I don't have to tell you that running a browser as root is a stupid idea :) |
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| 16:20.07 | screamingbytes | afternoon all |
| 16:20.35 | jpinx | sure - I just did and it tells me its not got any default video mode |
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| 16:20.57 | screamingbytes | when i type su - after typing the password and authenticating, I get "su-: user: command not found" what does that mean? The su worked. |
| 16:21.36 | jpinx | it's a webserver install - how do I setup a basic video mode? |
| 16:21.37 | Melbjase | screamingbytes: dont type the - after su |
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| 16:22.25 | jpinx | screamingbytes: the command is su username |
| 16:22.37 | jpinx | no hyphen |
| 16:22.43 | screamingbytes | su - gives me a root environment |
| 16:22.51 | screamingbytes | its the proper command |
| 16:22.59 | et | jpinx: the - means you want a login shell |
| 16:23.03 | agucho | hi, can anybody help me to upgrade php to 5.2.4 on a debian etch? |
| 16:23.19 | agucho | what would be the best way to do it? |
| 16:23.25 | themill | screamingbytes: what was the exact command you typed? |
| 16:23.30 | sanmarcos | backports agucho |
| 16:23.32 | screamingbytes | Melbjase, and jpinx: I get root's path, and everything else not the users path |
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| 16:23.49 | screamingbytes | themill: exactly 'su -' |
| 16:24.24 | themill | screamingbytes: is root's shell still /bin/bash and does /bin/bash exist? |
| 16:24.31 | screamingbytes | themill: ive been doing it all day with this error. I didn't have this error yesterday, nor have i ever seen it. This machine has been up for 6 months |
| 16:24.52 | themill | screamingbytes: you're not in a chroot that doesn't have /bin/bash or something are you? |
| 16:25.02 | screamingbytes | themill: the command succeeds, and i can continue, it is /bin/bash yes |
| 16:25.10 | screamingbytes | themill: no sir |
| 16:25.19 | screamingbytes | themill: normal shell |
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| 16:25.56 | screamingbytes | themill: googling for me provided 0 results lol |
| 16:26.02 | screamingbytes | kinda scarry |
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| 16:26.41 | madk | how do i get more services for bluetooth? i only have audio in the list of bluetooth-applet. |
| 16:27.17 | themill | screamingbytes: been fiddling with /etc/profile /root/.bashrc or something? |
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| 16:27.53 | screamingbytes | themill: I did modify root's PS1 today but it works, its the same on my users accounts, and I can su to another user |
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| 16:28.06 | screamingbytes | themill: without the error of course |
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| 16:28.21 | screamingbytes | themill: I can paste my PS1 if you'd like to see it |
| 16:28.36 | themill | screamingbytes: so when you su -, you get the root shell ok, but just also get this error? (yeah, paste it if you want) |
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| 16:29.34 | Kovensky | wols: the framebuffer is there if you boot with the framebuffer turned on |
| 16:29.49 | Kovensky | with vga=anything or video=somethingfb |
| 16:29.54 | wols | Kovensky: isn't it by default? |
| 16:30.00 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, is there a way to setup many wireless networks in /etc/network/interfaces and connect automatically to one of them depending which one is available? |
| 16:30.06 | madk | !bluetooth |
| 16:30.06 | dpkg | i heard bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
| 16:30.08 | themill | screamingbytes: also check PROMPT_COMMAND as that is also executed before each PS1 |
| 16:30.09 | wols | remembers some penguin images in the console |
| 16:30.11 | Kovensky | wols: nope, the default is non-framebuffer |
| 16:30.16 | wols | long ago, since I rarely use debian kernels |
| 16:30.44 | Kovensky | I use upstream kernels because of lvm |
| 16:30.51 | Kovensky | I don't wanna make my own initrd :< |
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| 16:31.28 | soulchild | Hi all,... how do I get the sourcecode of my kernel modules ? |
| 16:31.47 | soulchild | the package linux-modules is virtual (lenny) |
| 16:32.14 | cahoot | kernel src? |
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| 16:32.39 | soulchild | cahoot: seems like there is none on lenny |
| 16:32.54 | micols | anyone experienced corrupted display in xorg with fglrx+wine ? |
| 16:32.57 | soulchild | ahhh maybe I forget the deb-src line |
| 16:33.18 | soulchild | no,... It is there |
| 16:33.40 | wols | soulchild: you get the kernel sources |
| 16:33.55 | wols | soulchild: and there are kernel sources. you can be sure of that :P |
| 16:34.04 | cahoot | soulchild: aptitude search linux-source? |
| 16:34.47 | soulchild | cahoot: Is installed but I still habe no /lib/modules/2.6..../modules/build folder |
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| 16:35.50 | stew | soulchild: it sounds like you want a linux-headers package, not a linux-source package |
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| 16:36.20 | soulchild | stew: that's it, thank you |
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| 16:37.54 | screamingbytes | themill: crap, I was copying the error, and the PS1, and getting it all ready for a pastebin, and i noticed a . about 78 char's down the line above the PS1 line w/o a comment. |
| 16:37.59 | screamingbytes | themill: that was the issue |
| 16:38.25 | themill | screamingbytes: heh... that'll do it to you |
| 16:38.47 | screamingbytes | themill: i guess my screen is kinda dirty lol |
| 16:39.00 | screamingbytes | themill: thanks for the help. |
| 16:39.05 | themill | no worries |
| 16:39.33 | screamingbytes | themill: I was getting ticked cause i just figured out how to colorize PS1, and prevent command rollover on the same line. |
| 16:39.52 | screamingbytes | when your commmands are too long, and i wanted it to work :) |
| 16:39.58 | themill | screamingbytes: well worth doing properly |
| 16:40.19 | screamingbytes | themill: its solid now, took me a day or so |
| 16:41.02 | jpinx | what config file sets the default video mode? |
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| 16:41.49 | screamingbytes | well i gotta go get some breakfast, ill bbiab. tks again themill |
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| 16:43.08 | et | ... wtf |
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| 16:44.00 | madk | how do i get bluetooth working? |
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| 16:46.36 | adie | madk: try typing "bluetooth on debian howto" into google and hitting "I'm feeling lucky". |
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| 16:53.19 | Melbjase | madk: http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
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| 16:55.23 | pred2k5 | hi, are there any free backup tools or clone tools, with which I can move partitions, or the whole disk (important is, that it skips free clusters, so that image size wont get to big) ? |
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| 16:56.39 | adie | pred2k5: partimage |
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| 16:59.11 | pred2k5 | hm, ntfs support is experimental |
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| 17:00.35 | bsund | is there any way to repopulate /var? :) |
| 17:01.03 | adie | pred2k5: erm? windows? /me assumed loonix.. |
| 17:01.09 | adie | bsund: I think it's reinstall time. |
| 17:01.42 | bsund | adie: yeah guess so.. or I just make dirs for all complains i see ;) |
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| 17:02.13 | pred2k5 | adie, yes windows ;) |
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| 17:02.31 | adie | bsund: there's a lot of directories there, but also there's some db's such as your debian package database. |
| 17:02.37 | Sling | bsund : yes, repopulate it from your backups :) |
| 17:03.10 | adie | pred2k5: good luck, I'd recomend you use a windows based tool, or just try partimage.. :-/ |
| 17:03.18 | bsund | Sling: you mean those stored in /var? :) |
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| 17:03.33 | Sling | uuuh.. ;) |
| 17:03.46 | pred2k5 | hmkay |
| 17:03.52 | adie | Sling: normal people wouldn't backup /var, there's little point as it'd get out of date with the rest of the OS. |
| 17:03.57 | pred2k5 | I will try partimage, it says its ok if the disk isnt that fragmented |
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| 17:04.07 | adie | just backs up /var/mail or /var/www or important data directories. |
| 17:04.16 | Sling | adie : well, a full disk image would include such a dir |
| 17:04.23 | Sling | also sort of backup |
| 17:04.39 | Sling | anyway i shouldnt be on irc, work to do, afk |
| 17:04.40 | madk | adie, Melbjase i dont get it working: hcitool dev tells: Devices: hci000:1C:F0:6C:XX:XX and i find my mobile phone with hcitool scan:Scanning ... 00:1E:45:BD:XX:XXK770i but i cant connect to phone and i cant send a file from phone to pc! |
| 17:04.42 | adie | Sling: doing that sort of thing can get quite expensive :( |
| 17:04.52 | madk | what do i have to do to make it work? |
| 17:05.28 | themill | adie: backing up /var/lib/{dpkg,aptitude,mysql} can have advantages too... |
| 17:05.38 | bsund | i guess i'll reinstall anyhow.. read some stupid guide on making /var tmpfs to speed up ultraportable lol |
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| 17:06.17 | adie | themill: backing up /var/lib/mysql is asking for trouble.. you should do a mysql dump.. as for the others, it'll fuck your package-management unless it's a full disc backup. |
| 17:06.37 | Melbjase | have you installed gnom kde pairing packages? |
| 17:07.33 | madk | Melbjase, only gnome packages |
| 17:07.49 | themill | adie: no, having /var/lib/{dpkg,aptitude} backed up will allow you to work out what you had installed and how it was installed should you need to reinstall. (hint: "I've wiped out /var how to I get my dpkg database back" is a common enough question...) |
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| 17:08.16 | madk | Melbjase, as far as i can see, devices are paired. i have an entry in the bluetooth-applet but not in /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf |
| 17:09.26 | themill | adie: /var/cache/debconf is another one that's worth remembering to back up |
| 17:10.42 | Melbjase | you need to set up /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf |
| 17:10.43 | adie | themill: yes true to a point, though I do a: dpkg -l > /tmp/package-list.txt |
| 17:11.01 | Melbjase | hci tool just scans , thats about it |
| 17:11.17 | madk | Melbjase, how? |
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| 17:11.36 | themill | adie: that forgets what was automatically installed though (for a better way, /msg dpkg aptitude clone) |
| 17:11.45 | madk | Melbjase, hcitool finds the mobilephone, hidd --search doesn't! |
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| 17:12.05 | kenjy | is this a correct rule for limits.conf in /etc/security? nginx soft nofile 5048 |
| 17:12.05 | kenjy | nginx hard nofile 6048 |
| 17:12.12 | Melbjase | madk: man hcid.conf |
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| 17:13.00 | nomad_cz | Hi. I do have Bind 9.3.4 (Debian Etch) and dnssec-signzone will not put SOA as the first record. Is it ok or bug ? |
| 17:13.06 | Melbjase | look at entries in hcid.conf, its pretty self explainatory |
| 17:13.24 | adie | themill: it's a very subjective thing, on a desktop I really don't care, on a server I know exactly what I've got installed and try to prune them regularly. |
| 17:13.53 | adie | only backs up his /home and /usr/local partitions from his desktop... |
| 17:14.17 | adie | on servers I do the data, a packagelist and /etc |
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| 17:14.33 | madk | Melbjase, why doesn't the bluetooth-applet create this entry? in its list, the devices are paired. |
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| 17:15.48 | Melbjase | madk: shrugs,, dunno...maybe someone who knows more than me can help you. |
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| 17:16.08 | Melbjase | madk: i got mine working following this http://debaira.blogspot.com/2007/10/debian-etch-bluetooth-i.html |
| 17:18.07 | madk | Melbjase, the package bluez-utils is installed, but i dont have /etc/init.d/bluez-utils (only have bluetooth) |
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| 17:18.58 | Melbjase | madk: /etc/init.d/bluez-utils is to start bluetooth at startup |
| 17:19.18 | doubletwist | Does linux still have a 64GB swap limit, and is that per swap partition or total swap size limit? |
| 17:20.01 | madk | Melbjase, i dont have this. apt-get install bluez-utils gives me: bluez-utils ist schon die neueste Version. which means i have the newest version available |
| 17:20.13 | madk | !swap |
| 17:20.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, swap is RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM, you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a swap file and use that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_space#Swapping_in_Linux |
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| 17:21.59 | doubletwist | madk: That's nice. Doesn't mention anything about max swap size though |
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| 17:23.45 | madk | doubletwist, it was just a guess |
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| 17:24.23 | WormFood | anyone know what package provides JDBC support for openoffice? |
| 17:24.44 | rgsteele||work | Strictly speaking, if I wanted to create a package that differed from the original only in the package name, would I just need to change BIN_PACKAGE_NAME in debian/rules and the "Package: ..." line in debian/control? |
| 17:25.10 | themill | WormFood: look at the description of openoffice.org-base |
| 17:25.49 | WormFood | which description are you talking about? |
| 17:26.25 | Eulex | the package description |
| 17:26.51 | themill | WormFood: http://packages.debian.org/etch/openoffice.org-base |
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| 17:28.23 | WormFood | I don't run etch...I run sid...because I like my system to break every time I update it |
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| 17:29.11 | themill | so turn on your brain and click the "sid" link at the top of that page and read the identical package description for the sid package. |
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| 17:29.21 | jhamlin | hey folks, when I try to launch qalculate-kde from the panel I get a dialog: "KDEInit could not launch 'qalculate-kde'". The program works fine but I'd rather not get this error every time I launch. How can I fix? |
| 17:29.22 | WormFood | I already did that :P |
| 17:29.23 | Melbjase | themill: hehe |
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| 17:29.50 | WormFood | I figured it would be identical between sid and etch, but that is not always the case |
| 17:30.57 | WormFood | nice....didn't work....maybe I need to restart ooo |
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| 17:33.10 | WormFood | yeah, that seemed to do the trick |
| 17:33.16 | WormFood | thanks for your help |
| 17:33.32 | WormFood | for the future...where can I get that info from the command line? will dpkg give it to me? |
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| 17:36.16 | Supaplex | WormFood: what info? |
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| 17:36.54 | WormFood | the "package description" |
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| 17:37.24 | Supaplex | apt-cache show <package> or aptitude show <package> |
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| 17:38.21 | Ejdes|Lap | hi, how do i conf grub, so that it can boot debian from a CF card? |
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| 17:38.29 | WormFood | cool...thanks....hopefully I'll remember that for next time I need it |
| 17:38.53 | WormFood | Ejdes|Lap, a CF card on the usb interface, or on the IDE interface? |
| 17:39.03 | mu532 | Ejdes|Lap: can you boot anything from a cv card? |
| 17:39.22 | WormFood | I can boot from a CF card, exactly like I can boot from a hard drive |
| 17:39.35 | WormFood | in fact, the CF interface is an ide interface |
| 17:39.35 | jpinx | where can I get information on temperatures of the hardware? |
| 17:39.48 | Supaplex | Ejdes|Lap: is it in a usb adapter, or on pata? |
| 17:39.55 | Ejdes|Lap | WormFood, on the CF interface... |
| 17:39.59 | WormFood | Supaplex, I already asked that question :P |
| 17:40.06 | Ejdes|Lap | http://www.soekris.com/net5501.htm |
| 17:40.11 | WormFood | Ejdes|Lap, that does not answer our questions |
| 17:40.29 | Supaplex | Ejdes|Lap: sounds like pata |
| 17:40.32 | mu532 | Ejdes|Lap: how do you mount the cf card? show a mount line |
| 17:40.33 | Ejdes|Lap | okay |
| 17:40.42 | WormFood | mu532, it depends on the interface |
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| 17:41.07 | WormFood | I can mount my CV as "mount /dev/hda2 /some/mount/point" |
| 17:41.12 | WormFood | CF* |
| 17:41.14 | mu532 | WormFood: yes, and he will be specific about that, won't he? |
| 17:41.33 | Ejdes|Lap | i installed debian via tftp and netboot... here is the menu.lst http://rafb.net/p/Ia98nc15.html |
| 17:42.05 | Supaplex | jpinx: temperature is the keyword :) |
| 17:42.10 | Supaplex | !tell jpinx -about search |
| 17:42.12 | mu532 | Ejdes|Lap: mmhmm... do you have the question? |
| 17:42.18 | WormFood | Ejdes|Lap, where do you plugin your CF card? |
| 17:42.22 | Ejdes|Lap | WormFood, the CF card is the sys disc |
| 17:42.29 | Supaplex | Ejdes|Lap: cat /proc/filesystems |
| 17:42.30 | spq | how can i refresh the informations in /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts ? (i have changed the files but the machines have ignored the changes until now) |
| 17:43.00 | Ejdes|Lap | # cat /proc/filesystems | nopaste |
| 17:43.00 | Ejdes|Lap | http://rafb.net/p/C4nzQI22.html |
| 17:43.23 | Supaplex | Ejdes|Lap: my bad. I meant /proc/mounts |
| 17:43.44 | Supaplex | and /proc/partitions :) |
| 17:43.46 | WormFood | I don't have time for these games...thanks for the help Supaplex |
| 17:44.01 | Ejdes|Lap | # cat /proc/mounts | nopaste |
| 17:44.01 | Ejdes|Lap | http://rafb.net/p/KWSXv492.html |
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| 17:44.18 | mu532 | WormFood: meetoo. |
| 17:44.19 | Ejdes|Lap | but atm the CF card is in a crad reader and plugged to my comp trough usb |
| 17:44.52 | Supaplex | Ejdes|Lap: ahh. grub-install '(hd0)' |
| 17:44.58 | mu532 | Ejdes|Lap: have you ever mounted a cf card on this machine? |
| 17:45.22 | Supaplex | Ejdes|Lap: and root (grub context) would be (hd0,0) |
| 17:45.28 | Ejdes|Lap | mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/tmp << used that to mount it to this pc |
| 17:45.49 | mu532 | so sdb is the CF card? |
| 17:46.01 | Ejdes|Lap | Supaplex, don't i need to chroot first.... |
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| 17:46.08 | Supaplex | Ejdes|Lap: is sdb1 the / ? |
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| 17:46.32 | Supaplex | Ejdes|Lap: if you installed it via netboot, why didn't it install grub when you were done? |
| 17:46.47 | Ejdes|Lap | mu532, yes, when it is plugged in to my pc... but i need to be able to boot from it, when i plug it into my net5501... |
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| 17:47.11 | Ejdes|Lap | Supaplex, it did, but it wount find any kernel... |
| 17:47.18 | mu532 | what machine is it plugged into now? |
| 17:47.44 | Ejdes|Lap | when i try to boot gtom it on the net5501, i only get a grub console |
| 17:47.55 | mu532 | oh, so it does boot |
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| 17:48.01 | Supaplex | Ejdes|Lap: if grub is installed, you can use tab completion on the grub command line to probe stuff. elaborate on 'but it wount find any kernel...' what's it? grub? the installer? |
| 17:48.09 | Ejdes|Lap | then i try root (hd0,0) wich go fine |
| 17:48.20 | mu532 | that's good... |
| 17:48.24 | Ejdes|Lap | and then setup (hd0) wich goes bad |
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| 17:48.40 | Ejdes|Lap | it says that it can't find "stage1"....:S |
| 17:48.45 | mu532 | why do you setup after you boot? |
| 17:48.57 | mu532 | oh good, it failed |
| 17:49.07 | Ejdes|Lap | yes |
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| 17:49.15 | Supaplex | you're trying to run setup w/in grub when it's already booting the boot loader? |
| 17:49.25 | mu532 | you have grub installed and it's working |
| 17:49.47 | mu532 | could you try booting it right now? |
| 17:50.06 | magyar_ | hi, have issue with lenny and the latest kernel update with apt-get update > http://pastebin.ca/1193908 |
| 17:50.07 | Ejdes|Lap | yes 2 sec |
| 17:50.27 | Supaplex | if grub loads while booting, you don't need to run the setup step. most likely there's a little confusion over root (hd0,0) and maybe root= for the kenrel commandline. |
| 17:50.42 | Supaplex | eg, menu.lst needs some fine tuning. =) |
| 17:50.59 | Ejdes|Lap | tree | nopaste << from the mountpoint of my CF card.... |
| 17:51.07 | Ejdes|Lap | http://rafb.net/p/toobig.html |
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| 17:51.28 | Supaplex | magyar_: run update-grub manually |
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| 17:51.33 | mu532 | right, you do -not- need to run setup, and be glad the setup failed; it might have screwed you |
| 17:52.30 | Ejdes|Lap | from the grub console? |
| 17:52.48 | mu532 | Ejdes|Lap: that url did not work |
| 17:52.59 | Ejdes|Lap | i see...:S |
| 17:53.02 | mu532 | right. |
| 17:53.08 | mu532 | grub is installed. |
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| 17:53.23 | mu532 | now we can try booting |
| 17:53.34 | mu532 | are you in the grub shell now? |
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| 17:54.15 | cognitiaclaeves | I need to create a link to the kernel header files in order to install software. Where are they installed when one issues apt-get install linux-kernel-headers? Is it /usr/include/linux ? What are the other include files? |
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| 17:55.18 | Ejdes|Lap | mu532, i'm there now |
| 17:55.22 | stew | cognitiaclaeves: you want to install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 17:55.28 | mu532 | ok type root ( |
| 17:55.33 | mu532 | then hit tab |
| 17:55.41 | cognitiaclaeves | stew: Ok. Thanks. |
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| 17:56.03 | Ejdes|Lap | fd[01234567] hd[01234567] |
| 17:56.07 | stew | cognitiaclaeves: (assuming you want to do something like compile a kernel module) that will install the headers for your running kernel to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
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| 17:56.22 | cognitiaclaeves | excellent. Thanks again! |
| 17:56.59 | mu532 | so you want hd0 probably, type that -- so now you have root (hd0 |
| 17:57.02 | mu532 | then hit tab |
| 17:57.20 | Supaplex | tab for tEh win |
| 17:58.01 | cognitiaclaeves | stew: Looks like it also creates that link for me. Much appreciated. |
| 17:58.06 | mu532 | I'm gonna make him like the tab... yeha, doctor pepper sux... |
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| 17:58.19 | dudeman | oh my god |
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| 17:58.26 | Supaplex | dudeman: where? |
| 17:58.45 | dudeman | Supaplex, Nigeria. |
| 17:59.00 | mu532 | Ejdes|Lap: so... now what do you get? |
| 17:59.11 | Ejdes|Lap | root (hd0,0) |
| 17:59.20 | Ejdes|Lap | only got 1 partition on it |
| 17:59.22 | dudeman | is there a php debugger in debian? |
| 17:59.28 | mu532 | oh ok |
| 17:59.34 | mu532 | so hit enter |
| 17:59.42 | Supaplex | details details. |
| 17:59.42 | mu532 | and now type kernel / |
| 17:59.43 | Ejdes|Lap | done |
| 17:59.50 | mu532 | then hit tab |
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| 18:00.04 | Ejdes|Lap | yes |
| 18:00.05 | Supaplex | Ejdes|Lap: kernel /boot/v[tab] |
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| 18:00.19 | mu532 | yeah, do that |
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| 18:00.34 | _tarzan_ | hi |
| 18:00.39 | Ejdes|Lap | like to get vmlinuz? |
| 18:00.43 | mu532 | you should see stuff like bin boot usr home etc |
| 18:00.49 | Ejdes|Lap | yes |
| 18:00.50 | mu532 | yes |
| 18:00.53 | Ejdes|Lap | the / of the sys |
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| 18:01.11 | mu532 | right, as opposed to a separate /boot |
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| 18:01.36 | mu532 | which we know you don't have since you have one partition |
| 18:02.01 | mu532 | so did you get a hit on that? |
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| 18:02.11 | mu532 | what Supaplex said |
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| 18:02.49 | mu532 | which was... kernel /boot/v (then hit tab) |
| 18:03.01 | Ejdes|Lap | kernel /vmlinuz |
| 18:03.06 | Ejdes|Lap | is what i got atm |
| 18:03.25 | mu532 | well we'd like to have you go into /boot |
| 18:03.32 | mu532 | rather than use the link |
| 18:03.58 | magyar_ | Supaplex, thanks, it seems the age old issue, lenny made the sata drives "/dev/sdc and /dev/sdd" << main debian install and swapped the additional scsi drives to /dev/sda and /dev/sdb . Problem with /boot/grub/device.map |
| 18:04.01 | mu532 | that way we can tell whether you actually have a kernel installed |
| 18:04.22 | mu532 | so make it look like this: kernel /boot/v (then hit tab) |
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| 18:04.52 | mu532 | when you do that, do you get one specific vmlinuz? |
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| 18:08.20 | Ejdes|Lap | it sees it all as a fime |
| 18:08.22 | Ejdes|Lap | file |
| 18:08.34 | mu532 | ok, hit enter |
| 18:09.05 | mu532 | so you get one file that starts with v |
| 18:09.16 | mu532 | err that starts with /boot/v |
| 18:09.56 | Ejdes|Lap | error 1 |
| 18:10.05 | mu532 | hmm |
| 18:10.16 | mu532 | what's error 1... |
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| 18:10.31 | Gustavo-Martins | Hello! I am using debian with XDMCP enabled, and need to connect from windows XP and XMing, but when i connetc i get only the gray screen i wuold like to see GDM login screen, what should i do, to get this screen? what could be rong? |
| 18:10.32 | et | perror 1 |
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| 18:11.10 | mu532 | et: from grub shell? |
| 18:11.13 | et | !perror 1 |
| 18:11.13 | dpkg | OS error code 1: Operation not permitted |
| 18:11.30 | et | i'd guess. |
| 18:12.06 | Ejdes|Lap | error 1: foæema,e ,ist be eotjer am abspæite pathname or blocklist |
| 18:12.11 | Ejdes|Lap | filename* |
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| 18:12.36 | Ejdes|Lap | filename must be either an amsolute pathname or blocklist |
| 18:14.01 | mu532 | so exactly what did you hit return on? |
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| 18:14.23 | mu532 | kernel /vmlinuz? |
| 18:14.25 | Ejdes|Lap | i tabbed on kernel /boot [tab] |
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| 18:14.35 | mu532 | ok |
| 18:14.50 | mu532 | tab on kernel /boot/v |
| 18:14.59 | mu532 | note the /v |
| 18:15.08 | datacrusher | hi people, is there a nice way to lock up gnome on debian? i was using ubuntu, and tryied the kde kiosk api, but its buggy as hell. I just need the terminal to allow 2 icons on the desktop, wich will allow the user to visit 2 specific web pages, and when the cpter its not used it runs a screensaver with some pictures on my samba servre |
| 18:15.36 | datacrusher | it can be a locked browser too, with 2 favorites |
| 18:15.41 | Ejdes|Lap | error 2: bad file or directory type |
| 18:15.55 | mu532 | did you hit enter or tab? |
| 18:15.59 | Ejdes|Lap | tab |
| 18:16.03 | Gustavo-Martins | Please! Someone knows something about how does XDMCP works? |
| 18:16.22 | mu532 | how did you an error if you just hit tab :) |
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| 18:16.39 | Ejdes|Lap | dunno....:S |
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| 18:17.35 | mu532 | so when you're here: kernel /boot/v and you hit tab, do you get one single complete file name? |
| 18:17.57 | Ejdes|Lap | no it just say that error 2 |
| 18:17.59 | Gustavo-Martins | Please! there is any debian help room in brazilian portuguese? |
| 18:18.08 | mu532 | ohh |
| 18:18.18 | mu532 | !br |
| 18:18.18 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:19.20 | Gustavo-Martins | dpkg: thank you |
| 18:19.20 | dpkg | Gustavo-Martins: no worries |
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| 18:19.58 | Led_Zeppelin | for those using fuse. I created a ext3 image and trying to mount it up using fusermount. But I keep getting " old style mounting not supported" what is the correct way to mount this image? |
| 18:20.30 | mu532 | Ejdes|Lap: with which filesystem type did you format your card? |
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| 18:21.34 | Ejdes|Lap | ext3 |
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| 18:23.22 | mu532 | that should work... but something seems compromised if you hit tab and you immediately get error 2 |
| 18:23.43 | mu532 | err corrupted |
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| 18:25.24 | Gustavo-Martins | Hello! I am using debian with XDMCP enabled, and need to connect from windows XP and XMing, but when i connetc i get only the gray screen i wuold like to see GDM login screen, what should i do, to get this screen? what could be rong? |
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| 18:26.07 | mu532 | Gustavo-Martins what dm are you using? |
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| 18:26.48 | Gustavo-Martins | i use last debian stable installed with netinst and gnome. |
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| 18:27.16 | denysonique | can anyone help me on this please. http://pastebin.com/m6931b77 |
| 18:27.23 | Ejdes|Lap | mu532, can it have anything to do with that i connect to it over serial (ttyS0) ? |
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| 18:27.42 | denysonique | sorry it is http://pastebin.com/m6931b77a |
| 18:27.52 | mu532 | Ejdes|Lap: at least we know two things: 1, you have grub installed and it's booting, and 2, something in your filesystem is screwed up |
| 18:28.13 | Gustavo-Martins | slaps denysonique around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:28.32 | Ejdes|Lap | mu532, hmmm... |
| 18:28.45 | mu532 | Ejdes|Lap: could your card have run out of room before the install was completed? |
| 18:29.01 | Gustavo-Martins | denisonique: Unknown post id, it may have expired or been deleted |
| 18:29.06 | Ejdes|Lap | mu532, it's a 16GB card |
| 18:29.19 | mu532 | that is pretty big |
| 18:29.28 | mu532 | Somni: not likely |
| 18:29.45 | Ejdes|Lap | mu532, and ive only made a base system install |
| 18:29.53 | mu532 | stupid complete... somni: ignore |
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| 18:30.11 | mu532 | which is well under a gig |
| 18:30.15 | denysonique | http://rafb.net/p/K0al3N30.html |
| 18:30.20 | Gustavo-Martins | mu532: did i answared your question? was gnome the answaer that you espected? |
| 18:30.48 | rocch | hey guys... i got the live lenny... What program do i use to install it on HD? There is any GUI? |
| 18:30.55 | mu532 | no, I wanted to know which *dm... xdm? gdm? something else |
| 18:30.56 | mu532 | ? |
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| 18:31.40 | Ejdes|Lap | mu532, what filesystem would you recommend on a flash card for my reinstall? |
| 18:31.55 | mu532 | ext3 should work |
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| 18:32.05 | Ejdes|Lap | :) |
| 18:32.10 | Gustavo-Martins | denisonique: Try to install APTITUDE, should sove your probem. |
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| 18:32.34 | mu532 | how do you install somethign onto that? |
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| 18:32.46 | rocch | hey guys... i got the live lenny... What program do i use to install it on HD? There is any GUI? |
| 18:33.02 | Ejdes|Lap | i have used atftp |
| 18:33.27 | mu532 | so you have to netboot it? |
| 18:33.28 | Ejdes|Lap | mu532, and downloaded netboot.tar.gz >> http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 18:33.32 | Ejdes|Lap | yes |
| 18:33.54 | Ejdes|Lap | mu532, and all goes smuth until i reboot |
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| 18:34.59 | mu532 | I have a suggestion, instead of doing a 18g /, try doing lvm |
| 18:35.10 | nkuttler | rocch: not afaik. /msg dpkg install debian |
| 18:35.13 | mu532 | and then try a 1g / |
| 18:36.08 | Ejdes|Lap | okay |
| 18:36.20 | mu532 | you installing etch? |
| 18:37.15 | mu532 | Gustavo-Martins: so, do you have xdm? gdm? someotherdm? |
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| 18:39.12 | denysonique | Can someone help me pleae? http://rafb.net/p/K0al3N30.html |
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| 18:39.31 | yao_ziyuan | i want to backup my apt sources list and keys |
| 18:39.35 | yao_ziyuan | i know where the sources.list is |
| 18:39.39 | yao_ziyuan | but what about keys? |
| 18:40.49 | stew | yao_ziyuan: man apt-key |
| 18:41.08 | path_ | denysonique, try aptitude update && aptitude install libcups2 |
| 18:41.25 | denysonique | path_: why through aptitude? |
| 18:41.25 | Led_Zeppelin | does debian have mount.ext3 ? |
| 18:41.41 | denysonique | Led_Zeppelin: if you install it than it has |
| 18:41.52 | Led_Zeppelin | what package will have it denysonique ? |
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| 18:41.54 | Gustavo-Martins | mu532, i am looking for a answare so you, just 1 min. |
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| 18:42.09 | Led_Zeppelin | but I think you are right. if i install it it should be there. |
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| 18:42.24 | mu532 | Gustavo-Martins: xdmcp is supported by xdm |
| 18:42.37 | Gustavo-Martins | mu532, i have gdm |
| 18:42.48 | mu532 | ok, look at the gdm config |
| 18:43.22 | mu532 | see if it's set up to listen on tcp |
| 18:43.33 | Gustavo-Martins | mu532, please, with configuration file i need to look for? |
| 18:43.37 | yao_ziyuan | stew: so i just backup /etc/apt/trusted.gpg ? |
| 18:44.06 | mu532 | Gustavo-Martins: dunno exactly |
| 18:44.11 | yao_ziyuan | stew: do i also need to backup trustdb.gpg? |
| 18:44.20 | mu532 | maybe it's somewhere in /etc/X11/ |
| 18:44.25 | yao_ziyuan | stew: they're confusing with each other |
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| 18:44.36 | denysonique | Led_Zeppelin: Can you mount ext3? |
| 18:45.22 | Led_Zeppelin | denysonique: I am trying to use fuse. I am trying to mount up a ext3 file image. 'mount'ing a filesystem is only done by root. I want to mount by regular user |
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| 18:46.10 | LamerC | Hello. Is there a way to automatically install the 'dev' packages of any libraries that are installed? |
| 18:46.17 | stew | yao_ziyuan: i believe that the trustdb could be regenerated, but you might want to verify that, i'm not sure |
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| 18:46.43 | koolhead17 | hi all |
| 18:47.15 | karsten | LamerC: auto-apt gets you pretty close. |
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| 18:47.22 | koolhead17 | I have setup a virtual host on my debian box |
| 18:47.42 | karsten | LamerC: You can run it in shell mode, and if you're building specific software, it will determine references to known build libs and prompt you for installation. |
| 18:48.01 | denysonique | Led_Zeppelin:why do you want to mount ext3 as non root? |
| 18:48.10 | stew | Led_Zeppelin: you can add the 'user' option to the options column in fstab of you want regular users to be able to mount a given filesystem |
| 18:48.14 | Gustavo-Martins | mu532: I just made this way to enable xdmcp on gnome desktop: Desktop > Administration > Session begin window > Remote > Stile - The same as local. |
| 18:48.46 | karsten | LamerC: Otherwise, you can do: dpkg --get-selections | awk '$2 == "install" && $1 ~ "^lib"' to generate a list of installed libs, then search for the $LIB-dev version, and install that. |
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| 18:48.58 | karsten | LamerC: Modulo corrections to that awk script ;-) |
| 18:49.34 | arcsky | find / -atime +30 command ist correct understand if i want to get all files which arent used in 30days ? |
| 18:50.26 | karsten | arcsky: Assuming you don't have the filesystem mounted noatime, probably. |
| 18:51.07 | path_ | denysonique, did you fix it ? |
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| 18:51.36 | denysonique | path_: I am just running aptitude upgrade now |
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| 18:51.56 | denysonique | sorry update |
| 18:52.04 | koolhead17 | please help my I need to give ssh acess rights for the virtual host directory to a particular user in my network.how can I achive that? |
| 18:52.24 | karsten | LamerC: There's a few additional library packages which don't fit the "^lib.*" regex (eg: xlibs), and in general I think auto-apt is your best bet. |
| 18:52.44 | karsten | koolhead17: ssh perms == filesystem perms. What do you want to be able to do? |
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| 18:52.53 | mu532 | Gustavo-Martins: and did that work? |
| 18:54.38 | LamerC | I just check it. It seems pretty nice so i'll test it. Thanks. |
| 18:55.08 | Led_Zeppelin | stew: I have many many images like this. |
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| 18:55.13 | Led_Zeppelin | they are being served by NFS |
| 18:55.19 | Gustavo-Martins | mu532: when i try to connect to the debian server, i get only a gray screen with a mouse cursor, i cant see login screen. |
| 18:55.47 | mu532 | ok, I don't know how to do this from the gui. |
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| 18:56.04 | mu532 | I'd have to read up to do it by configuring a text file |
| 18:56.16 | Gustavo-Martins | mu532: thanks very much. |
| 18:56.29 | mu532 | np |
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| 19:01.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | there you are |
| 19:01.59 | dan-ny | woooooooooo |
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| 19:02.01 | dan-ny | wohooo |
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| 19:02.07 | dan-ny | okay again my question |
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| 19:02.11 | koolhead17 | karsten: |
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| 19:02.14 | zzerxsd | wget http://zzer.siteburg.com/dir.php?lee=/var/log/apache.adm/access ;) |
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| 19:03.24 | dan-ny | okay again |
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| 19:04.17 | dan-ny | i've installed KDE on my debian... and ordinary i press ALT + F1 and so on... to chenage to the console but it wont work now |
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| 19:05.00 | OBcecado_ | ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 19:05.21 | dan-ny | okay |
| 19:05.40 | dan-ny | aaaah okay it works =) thx |
| 19:05.54 | OBcecado_ | np |
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| 19:08.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | alt-F1 should never work from X - KDE or not, it only works from the console |
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| 19:09.26 | dan-ny | okay thank you =) |
| 19:10.05 | karsten | koolhead17: ?? |
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| 19:10.30 | karsten | !tell dan-ny about enter |
| 19:10.37 | koolhead17 | (09:25:28 IST) koolhead17: karsten: I will symlink the directory for the specific user with appropriate permission.am sure that will do the rest. |
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| 19:11.28 | karsten | koolhead17: Note that the *target* of the symlink must have the correct perms as symlinks themselves _don't_ use perms. |
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| 19:11.50 | mu532 | CutMeOwnThroat: well it would if x didn't need the key for something else |
| 19:12.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | exactly |
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| 19:12.31 | koolhead17 | karsten: I will take care of that |
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| 19:12.48 | koolhead17 | I wanted this for ease of usablity for the user |
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| 19:13.22 | nomad_cz | Hi. I do have Bind 9.3.4 (Debian Etch) and dnssec-signzone will not put SOA as the first record. Is it ok or bug ? |
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| 19:16.42 | Led_Zeppelin | I am trying to compile fuse-zip. but it needs libzip. I don't think debian has libzip. or does it? apt-cache search libzip does not show it. |
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| 19:17.45 | justin | Led_Zeppelin: apt-cache search --names-only lib zip |
| 19:17.45 | Eulex | Led_Zeppelin, it does, but it does not appear to be in stable. it's in testing and unstable, though. |
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| 19:17.56 | denysonique | I still receive the same error. |
| 19:18.07 | denysonique | path_: ^^^ |
| 19:18.21 | justin | unless libzzip is different :) |
| 19:18.37 | Eulex | justin, it looks like it is different |
| 19:18.38 | Led_Zeppelin | perphaps that could be different justin |
| 19:18.45 | karsten | koolhead17: So what you want is for a user to be able to scp stuff on/off the system, or you want them to ssh in to it and do stuff? You're aware of fish:// protocol BTW? Supported in mc, konqueror, and some other tools. File transfer over ssh. FTW. |
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| 19:18.51 | Led_Zeppelin | has anyone been able to compile fuser-zip on Debian stable? |
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| 19:19.10 | justin | denysonique: did you run apt-get -f install like it says? |
| 19:19.17 | Eulex | Led_Zeppelin, you could always backport libzip, or compile it manually |
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| 19:20.23 | koolhead17 | karsten: yeah I want them to to upload /replace files from my /var/www/wrk directory |
| 19:20.29 | koolhead17 | ie the virtualhost |
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| 19:21.57 | denysonique | justin: yes. |
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| 19:23.53 | simonrvn | it's a karsten! |
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| 19:24.14 | xsdg | simonrvn: hey :o) |
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| 19:24.37 | simonrvn | hi xsdg :) |
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| 19:25.23 | karsten | koolhead17: revision control / CMS may be a better solution depending on how sophisticated your user is. |
| 19:25.28 | karsten | simonrvn: It is. |
| 19:25.37 | karsten | simonrvn: Still desperately awaiting an outcome. |
| 19:25.38 | Casperin | does file transfers get logged automatically in Debian? - where? |
| 19:25.52 | simonrvn | what? |
| 19:26.04 | n3kl | Casperin: what file transfers |
| 19:26.09 | karsten | Casperin: /var/log/auth.log, possibly, for the authentication component. |
| 19:26.25 | karsten | Casperin: As far as what files are transferred, no. |
| 19:26.41 | Casperin | say if someone mounts his usb thingy and I want to find out what/if he got from my box |
| 19:26.48 | koolhead17 | karsten: I have drupal running but users need file/directory access for development |
| 19:26.56 | Casperin | I see |
| 19:27.04 | n3kl | Casperin: apache and most ftp servers have their own built in methods though |
| 19:27.20 | n3kl | Casperin: which would show up in their respective log files |
| 19:27.26 | karsten | Casperin: You might be able to use enhanced shell logging, but not otherwise. |
| 19:27.34 | Casperin | yeah |
| 19:27.46 | Casperin | karsten, retroactively? |
| 19:27.53 | karsten | Casperin: The filesystem mount/umount would show up but not what files were accessed. And if they're not going through CLI (eg: bash, zsh), you're pretty much SOL. |
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| 19:28.00 | karsten | Casperin: Sure, you could make up shit ;-) |
| 19:28.11 | Casperin | :P |
| 19:28.22 | karsten | is happy to oblige. |
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| 19:29.00 | Casperin | I guess I learned the hard way to chmod my sensitive stuff :( |
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| 19:29.24 | karsten | Yep. |
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| 19:29.54 | karsten | Casperin: if you want to be really paranoid, encrypted loopback filesystems, umounted when you don't want to share, and with chmodded mountpoints (otherwise it's readable). |
| 19:30.02 | Casperin | What about windows? Are they any different with this? |
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| 19:30.30 | Casperin | yeah.. that's.... paranoid indeed :) |
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| 19:30.46 | karsten | Casperin: There aren't any _free_ tools I'm aware of which provide per-user (process-level) encryption, though there's something called Volmetrics (or Vormetrics?) which does that, and does a crap job of it. |
| 19:30.48 | koolhead17 | :( |
| 19:31.08 | simonrvn | windows privacy and security is an oxymoron |
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| 19:31.17 | Casperin | lol simonrvn |
| 19:31.19 | karsten | Casperin: Not sure about the Windows world. In general, you've got better logging capabilities under Linux though, AFAIU. |
| 19:31.30 | Casperin | yeah.. that's what I imagined |
| 19:31.37 | karsten | can secure any Windows system ever developed ... |
| 19:31.45 | karsten | ... given a sufficient supply of concrete. |
| 19:31.51 | Casperin | :D |
| 19:31.55 | maligor | by installing debian? |
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| 19:32.08 | simonrvn | by removing the ethernet cable |
| 19:32.25 | simonrvn | turning it off |
| 19:32.28 | karsten | Casperin: http://www.vormetric.com/ |
| 19:32.33 | simonrvn | and wiping the drive |
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| 19:32.39 | karsten | simonrvn: Van Eck Phreaking. |
| 19:33.03 | Casperin | karsten, but you say this is.. crap? |
| 19:33.20 | karsten | Casperin: My primary familiarity with that stuff is hung mounts on a large farm, doesn't do much for stability / manageability. |
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| 19:33.46 | denysonique | Can someone help me? Please. http://rafb.net/p/K0al3N30.html or if you can't help me please show me the way I can help myself. |
| 19:33.53 | karsten | Casperin: A friend did a few thought expermiments on the drive home after hearing the sales pitch and figured out a half-dozen ways to bypass the system. |
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| 19:34.14 | Casperin | okay that's pretty sad |
| 19:34.26 | karsten | Casperin: Good security is *really* hard. |
| 19:34.36 | karsten | denysonique: Are you using unofficial debs or mixing releases? |
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| 19:34.57 | karsten | denysonique: That's a serious/grave packaging error (overwriting files in another package). |
| 19:34.58 | Casperin | karsten, that's what I gathered. That's why I'm more interested in the logging part.. |
| 19:35.20 | denysonique | karsten: I think I've mixed sources |
| 19:35.31 | simonrvn | karsten: i gotta look that one up |
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| 19:35.45 | denysonique | for security I'd consider BSD |
| 19:35.58 | karsten | Casperin: yeah. There are some tools which provide very fine-grained logging tools but in general the data volume isn't manageable. |
| 19:36.20 | stew | denysonique: what version of debian are you intending to run? it looks like you are trying to mix stable and testing/unstable, which is a bad idea |
| 19:36.22 | karsten | denysonique: Um, you're not mixing Debian/Ubuntu or something silly either, are you? |
| 19:36.49 | denysonique | I'am new to debian. let my post my sources.list |
| 19:36.50 | simonrvn | karsten: oh yes, heard of that, read about it, didn't realize that was the name of that. |
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| 19:36.52 | denysonique | me* |
| 19:36.54 | karsten | Casperin: We had a lot of automount/autofs issues as well, for which there's not a lot of good tracing tools. |
| 19:37.42 | Casperin | karsten, so basically the problem is lacking software |
| 19:38.01 | Casperin | plenty of work for programmers |
| 19:38.25 | karsten | Casperin: It's tying hooks to file-level access. That's something that happens so often that logging it is really a PITA. |
| 19:38.32 | denysonique | http://rafb.net/p/sBllru27.html |
| 19:38.44 | karsten | Casperin: As a practical measure: encryption, file perms, and/or encrypted filesystems are probably your best bet. |
| 19:38.57 | stew | denysonique: what version of debian are you intending to run? |
| 19:39.34 | Casperin | karsten, yeah... everything else seems both paranoid and too much work for something that can be bypassed if you really want to anyway |
| 19:40.06 | simonrvn | anything is surmountable. |
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| 19:40.57 | simonrvn | what you should have in mind is how can i slow down these fuckers long enough for them to get tired of it ;p. |
| 19:41.17 | Casperin | hah |
| 19:41.38 | simonrvn | layers layers layers |
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| 19:42.03 | Casperin | but that's layers you have to go through yourself as well |
| 19:42.07 | Casperin | but yeah.. |
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| 19:42.20 | denysonique | stew: sarge |
| 19:43.07 | stew | denysonique: since you've upgraded 2 releases beyond sarge, you'd have to reinstall. note that sarge is no longer supported |
| 19:43.19 | Casperin | I'd really like something that logs bigger file transfers between file systems though |
| 19:43.56 | denysonique | stew: i.e.? |
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| 19:45.37 | stew | denysonique: that is to say that if you really want to run sarge, you would have to start over by running the installer to install again from scratch, but sarge was 'end-of-lifed' about half a year ago and is no longer supported, we'd recommend running etch aka stable instead |
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| 19:48.18 | grig | hi all |
| 19:48.41 | grig | i need ip_nat.h |
| 19:48.56 | grig | do you know what .deb provides it? |
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| 19:49.14 | avu | grig, apt-file and packages.debian.org can tell you |
| 19:49.28 | grig | avu: thank you |
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| 19:49.35 | denysonique | stew: I'm goin to install etch then |
| 19:49.36 | \amethyst | grig: that is a kernel header, not userspace... are you building a kernel module? |
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| 19:49.47 | stew | denysonique: what version of libc6 do you have installed now? |
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| 19:49.59 | grig | not exactly. i'm building a CPAN module |
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| 19:51.05 | denysonique | stew: how can I check that quickly in debian? |
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| 19:51.45 | breign | good evening |
| 19:51.53 | breign | I need help cloning server |
| 19:51.59 | breign | from one mashine to another |
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| 19:52.26 | n3kl | !clone |
| 19:52.26 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 19:52.32 | n3kl | meh |
| 19:52.38 | themill | !aptitude clone |
| 19:52.39 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. See also <reinstall>. |
| 19:53.01 | breign | I need different way. tar |
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| 19:54.05 | simmerz | hi. got a debian server running Xen, and I've added "options loop max_loop=255" to /etc/modprobe.d/loop.local - is that wrong? |
| 19:54.10 | breign | because some sysguy installed packages by compiling them or some other way |
| 19:54.14 | simmerz | I still get only 8 loopback devices |
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| 19:54.46 | grig | packages.debian.org seem to never heard about ip_nat.h |
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| 19:55.03 | manu_hack | hi, I have a working Debian system on a laptop of which the monitor is dying, I'd like to know if the monitor dies out completely and if I connect an external monitor, I can still use the external monitor without extra configuration? |
| 19:56.55 | simmerz | manu_hack: it may be turned off by default |
| 19:57.20 | manu_hack | simmerz: so it's bios thing or X thing? |
| 19:57.53 | themill | breign: something like cd /source && tar cf - . | ssh remote "cd /target && tar xf -" ? (also look at the -C option for ssh to turn on compression) |
| 19:58.11 | manu_hack | if I connect the external monitor and reboot, would I see the grub menu on the ext monitor? |
| 19:58.25 | themill | grig: it's in the linux-kernel-headers package (amongst others) |
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| 19:58.41 | dondelelcaro | manu_hack: that's laptop dependent, unfortunatly. |
| 19:58.44 | breign | 10x themill. I have some more manuevering, since the other mashine is not yet on the net |
| 19:58.49 | dondelelcaro | manu_hack: some laptops will, some won't. |
| 19:58.56 | breign | should I go to init 1 before making tar? |
| 19:59.00 | simmerz | manu_hack: X |
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| 19:59.14 | manu_hack | dondelelcaro: thx |
| 19:59.25 | themill | breign: ahh.... if you're going to copy the entire system, then putting both hard drives into a third box (or boot of a live cd) would be better |
| 19:59.36 | simmerz | manu_hack: best way is to find someone with a screen and plug your lappy in and see what happens |
| 19:59.41 | breign | I'm thinking to exclude: /proc /dev /var/run |
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| 20:00.11 | manu_hack | simmerz: right, but I'm afraid the monitor will die before I can find one :) |
| 20:00.30 | breign | what about /boot does nedd to be excluded? |
| 20:01.01 | simmerz | manu_hack: oops |
| 20:01.14 | simmerz | manu_hack: none of your friends have desktops? |
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| 20:01.48 | quitte | breign: you could try to mount the device containing your / to a second place. sometimes that works. |
| 20:02.08 | quitte | I'd be glad if someone told me on what it depends wether a fs can be mounted in two places, btw. |
| 20:02.16 | grig | themill: i'm running sid here and for some strange reason, ip_nat.h is not in that package |
| 20:02.52 | phorce1 | I've googled myself green -- is there a way to force apt(itude) to use only one CPU in a multi cpu box without rebooting and limiting the whole box to a single cpu? |
| 20:02.53 | themill | grig: ahh.... istr that much of that stuff was renamed some time between 2.6.18 and 2.6.(whatever sid has today) |
| 20:02.59 | n3kl | quitte: you can mount it twice with no issues |
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| 20:03.15 | grig | themill: right |
| 20:03.29 | quitte | n3kl: i defiantely had issues. iirc the error message was device is already mounted |
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| 20:03.32 | manu_hack | simmerz: none of my friends has extra one though, and the power jack of my laptop is so shitty that you may need hours to plug in, damn toshiba |
| 20:03.41 | n3kl | quitte: what filesystem? |
| 20:03.52 | quitte | n3kl: reiserfs or ext2 |
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| 20:04.11 | simmerz | don't need an extra one. disconnect it from their desktop to try it out and resolve the issue so that next time, when your monitor does go, you can get yourself a new one and plug it in... |
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| 20:04.24 | n3kl | quitte: well, I am not positive on reiser because I don't use it, but I know that you can have ext? partions mounted more than once |
| 20:04.27 | breign | quitte good point. that way, proc and other stuff won't be mounted... I'll try it |
| 20:04.33 | phorce1 | I have a lenny box I built a few months ao then shut down. Several hundred updates to do. aptitude is running them 4 at a time on the quad core and getting i/o locked by the hard drive |
| 20:04.33 | n3kl | quitte: perhaps you were trying to mount them on the same mountpoint? |
| 20:04.46 | breign | when damn ssh starts to work!Ä |
| 20:04.53 | simmerz | the beauty of a laptop is that you can take the problem to your friends house :) |
| 20:05.20 | n3kl | simmerz: what is you problem? |
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| 20:05.32 | quitte | n3kl: no. could it have been the default in 2.4 or something? it's been a long time ago and I never investigated why it didn't work |
| 20:05.55 | manu_hack | simmerz: the battery dead, the power jack difficult to plug in, now my laptop cant be moved or it will not be working anymore |
| 20:06.00 | n3kl | quitte: ah, well I am sure that something has changed in the last 5 years =] |
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| 20:06.27 | grig | lenny is not what it used to be :) |
| 20:06.47 | n3kl | grig: yeah, apt-get upgrade does that |
| 20:06.50 | grig | some things are upside down |
| 20:07.10 | quitte | grig: didyou file a bugreport? ;) |
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| 20:07.27 | grig | quitte: there's already one filed, ibelieve |
| 20:07.45 | grig | but i did not checked, to be honest |
| 20:08.05 | dusty_ | Hey guys I have just installed debian lenny on my desktop pc, it has an ati radeon hd 3450 graphics card and 3gb ram, dual core amd athlon processor. I have X working dual monitors 22" lcd and 14" crt. Lcd has 1680x1280 and the crt has 1024x768. I installed the fglrx driver from atis own site using there linux driver (Aticonfig ) and it all works nice but when i move applicaitons around like drag terminal from one end of |
| 20:08.05 | dusty_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.10 | n3kl | grig: what is the problem |
| 20:08.29 | grig | i need ip_nat.h to compile a perl module |
| 20:08.37 | quitte | grig: i guess you are talking about the ip_nat thing, not the upsde down thing? did you install build-essential? |
| 20:08.44 | grig | and that header is nowhere to be found in lenny |
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| 20:09.10 | grig | quitte: yes sir, i did have installed build essential |
| 20:09.18 | dusty_ | anyone? |
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| 20:10.03 | simmerz | n3kl: eh? |
| 20:10.17 | quitte | grig: this might not be a bug at all. the linux-libc headers are becoming more strict and exposing less of their private parts. So it could be a bug in your perl module insead |
| 20:10.19 | simmerz | manu_hack: you mean you don't want to switch it off in case the screen doesn't come back up again next time? |
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| 20:10.46 | n3kl | dusty_: no idea. I woult think that there may be an X module or something you are missing. More information like a paste of your xorg.conf might clue someone in here as to the problem. |
| 20:10.53 | n3kl | simmerz: don't know what I was refering to |
| 20:11.12 | simmerz | n3kl: you said "what is you problem?" |
| 20:11.16 | n3kl | grig: do you need kernel header? |
| 20:11.26 | grig | quitte: to me it seems like a kernel header: /usr/include/netfilter/ip_nat.h |
| 20:11.36 | n3kl | simmerz: did you have a problem you want to discuss? |
| 20:11.45 | simmerz | n3kl: nope |
| 20:11.57 | n3kl | simmerz: meh, nevermind then |
| 20:12.03 | simmerz | heh |
| 20:12.08 | phorce1 | dusty_: ugly dragging around on a single screen or from one monitor to the other? |
| 20:12.20 | simmerz | n3kl: ah actually yeah - didn't get an answer but that was a while ago. forgot about it! lol |
| 20:12.36 | n3kl | no worries, thats why I asked |
| 20:12.38 | grig | n3kl: yes, i need a kernel header. linux-kernel-headers is transformed into linux-libc-dev which does not contain the damn header |
| 20:12.53 | simmerz | I have options loop max_loop=255 in /etc/modprobe.d/loop.local but my machine still fires up with 8 loopback devices available |
| 20:12.56 | n3kl | grig: I don't have a sid box to verify, sorry |
| 20:13.03 | manu_hack | simmerz: that's one reason |
| 20:13.09 | simmerz | manu_hack: fair enough |
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| 20:13.23 | grig | n3kl: no problem, thanks anyway. it's lenny, though |
| 20:13.26 | dusty_ | phobie, its mirrored so they are both independent monitors and shabby on both |
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| 20:14.02 | manu_hack | simmerz: thx anyway :) |
| 20:14.03 | n3kl | grig: I am not sure your information is accurate. I have lenny and linux-headers installed just fine |
| 20:14.06 | simmerz | np |
| 20:14.23 | dusty_ | any ideas ? |
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| 20:14.27 | UD | i just got the latest kernal-image package |
| 20:14.31 | grig | n3kl: would you be so kind to search for 'ip_nat.h' in your package? |
| 20:14.33 | UD | reboot and got a grub> prompt |
| 20:14.35 | quitte | n3kl: probably a transitional meta package. grig is right |
| 20:14.40 | UD | and nothing in /boot |
| 20:14.53 | UD | except /boot/grub/ ... |
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| 20:15.04 | UD | where'd it go? |
| 20:15.15 | n3kl | simmerz: aren't loopback devices created as needed? |
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| 20:15.44 | grig | UD: can you boot an older kernel? than look in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 20:16.03 | phorce1 | dusty_: it does sound like something in the driver or a missing module may be causing the two gpu's to not play nice together. I usually stick with nvidia because the drivers are more stable evn though the cards are frequently crap. |
| 20:16.05 | simmerz | n3kl: up to a maximum of 8 by default |
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| 20:16.12 | n3kl | UD: perhaps its not mounted |
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| 20:16.33 | n3kl | simmerz: just curious, why so many neede? |
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| 20:17.07 | n3kl | grig: installing apt-file and everything, I will try in a sec |
| 20:17.17 | UD | i did root (hd0,0) setup (hd0) reboot |
| 20:17.25 | UD | seemed successful |
| 20:17.30 | grig | n3kl: please don't bother |
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| 20:17.36 | UD | however my menu.lst is nothing but commented examples still |
| 20:17.41 | n3kl | um, ok |
| 20:17.45 | simmerz | n3kl: xen server using disk images |
| 20:18.28 | n3kl | simmerz: Ahh, the xen kernels are tricky. Are you hitting a limit on the number of nics you can have running on a single vm or something? |
| 20:18.35 | simmerz | n3kl: nope |
| 20:18.46 | simmerz | I'm hitting a limit in how many disk images I can mount on loopback |
| 20:18.54 | simmerz | and when I fire up the machine it says Sep 4 18:58:51 mary kernel: loop: loaded (max 8 devices) |
| 20:19.01 | simmerz | where it should be 255 |
| 20:19.19 | n3kl | simmerz: where are you specifying the 255, on dom0 or domU? |
| 20:19.19 | breign | hi again |
| 20:19.35 | simmerz | dom0 |
| 20:19.39 | breign | how can I mount device that is already mounted on / to /mnt ? |
| 20:19.50 | n3kl | breign: man mount |
| 20:19.52 | simmerz | n3kl: forget Xen for a minute. this is actually not coming up when the machine fires up! |
| 20:20.07 | xerophyte | is there any replacement for dump .. i mean i want to backup the whole file system |
| 20:20.13 | n3kl | Hmm, not sure man |
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| 20:20.38 | n3kl | simmerz: I have run into strange issues with the xen kernels. The folks in #xen are often helpfull. Sorry |
| 20:20.45 | simmerz | I'm positive. even when I boot into a Debian stock kernel, it only shows 8 |
| 20:20.57 | n3kl | simmerz: I am not doubting that |
| 20:21.04 | simmerz | so therefore it's nothing to do with Xen |
| 20:21.09 | dusty_ | phorce1, ok, so suggestions ? i dont want to replace the graphics card ? |
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| 20:21.33 | simmerz | have i not done something? run something after entering that into modprobe.d? |
| 20:21.44 | quitte | simmerz: loop is a module. |
| 20:21.51 | simmerz | quitte: yep, that I know |
| 20:21.55 | quitte | never mind then |
| 20:22.01 | phorce1 | dusty_: may want to join the debian-users email list and ask there. Wider audience, slower response time. |
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| 20:22.34 | enouf | simmerz: max_loop= boot param |
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| 20:22.50 | quitte | simmerz: modinfo -p suggests that the correct option is max_loop |
| 20:22.51 | sosmud | show |
| 20:22.56 | phorce1 | I've googled myself green -- is there a way to force apt(itude) to use only one CPU in a multi cpu box without rebooting and limiting the whole box to a single cpu? |
| 20:22.58 | phorce1 | I have a lenny box I built a few months ao then shut down. Several hundred updates to do. aptitude is running them 4 at a time on the quad core and getting i/o locked by the hard drive |
| 20:23.20 | simmerz | quitte: which I have in /etc/modprobe.d/loop.local |
| 20:23.41 | simmerz | "options loop max_loop=255" |
| 20:23.47 | enouf | or loop.max_loop=256 |
| 20:23.51 | quitte | simmerz: while debugging i'd add those options manually to the modprobe command instead of trusting modprobe.d |
| 20:24.14 | simmerz | quitte: if i run modprobe manually, it works fine |
| 20:24.25 | simmerz | hence I now need it to work in modprobe.d on bootup |
| 20:24.29 | n3kl | phorce1: correct the problem before trying to run apt in a cronjob. Second, I don't think there is a way to limit a process to a single cpu. Not that I know of anyway. And also, I doubt that apt is really the source of your machine freezing |
| 20:24.55 | breign | n3kl I found --bindir, but that's not what I wanted. |
| 20:25.06 | breign | 10x anyways for the man :) |
| 20:25.08 | quitte | simmerz: dos /etc/modprobe.conf exist? |
| 20:25.33 | phorce1 | n3kl: It is actually. The cpu(s) go to 100%wa when all 4 are trying to unpack and install packages at the same time. |
| 20:25.55 | n3kl | breign: dood, just mounde /dev/sda1 /mnt/1 and then do mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/2, done! |
| 20:26.15 | n3kl | phorce1: so find out why there are 4 starting to begin with |
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| 20:26.41 | phorce1 | n3kl: I'm not running aptitude in a cron job. I'm installing updates manually 60 to 80 at a time. With this many updates doing a "safe-upgrade" isn't very safe. |
| 20:26.41 | linuxguy | !msg dpkg ati |
| 20:26.48 | ross` | hey could someone help me in /query id like help setting up exim4 or another good mail server with squirrul mail a good spam blocker, and possibly antivirus |
| 20:26.51 | enouf | phorce1: not sure this counts, but you could try trickle, or set up a proxy and throttle that? |
| 20:26.52 | ross` | could someone please help me out |
| 20:26.59 | n3kl | phorce1: also 100%wa means that your cpus are waiting on your disks or io of somekind. What kind of HDs you have? |
| 20:27.00 | simmerz | quitte: yep |
| 20:27.12 | enouf | phorce1: could you atleast nice/renice ? |
| 20:27.22 | quitte | simmerz: that's your problem then. read the update-modules manpage |
| 20:27.42 | linuxguy | oops done that wrong......whats the command for the bot to tell me about ati drivers for r4.04 plaese?..and is there a way to update to lenny from 4.04? |
| 20:27.42 | phorce1 | n3kl: that's what I said -- it's getting i/o locked by the gard drive. Single 250G SATA2 drive |
| 20:28.02 | zzerxsd | quien sabe como crackear el .htpasswd ? |
| 20:28.04 | simmerz | quitte: ah |
| 20:28.07 | simmerz | thanks |
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| 20:28.45 | n3kl | phorce1: I am with you, but there should only be one process running, plus I think someone in here just mentioned renicing the process |
| 20:29.04 | n3kl | zzerxsd: man htpasswd |
| 20:29.06 | grig | is mentors.bedian.net down? |
| 20:29.11 | grig | *debian |
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| 20:29.51 | enouf | yep, you'd need to update the initrd |
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| 20:30.12 | UD | i do "grub> boot" and get "Error 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting" |
| 20:30.21 | zzerxsd | no ...i lost my passwd (forget) to my .htpasswd ..but i got the ash file (.htpasswd) ...i need to crack it, any one? |
| 20:30.28 | enouf | !grub.errors |
| 20:30.29 | dpkg | from memory, grub.errors is grub error X? go to http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Troubleshooting.html#Troubleshooting to find out what it means |
| 20:30.42 | phorce1 | enouf: renice would just slow the processes by giving them less cpu .... AHHHHH, that might work to give the HD time to keep up. What's happening is that I do 'aptitude install (list 50 or 60 packages)' then after it downloads them it hammers the HD by unpacking, configuring, and installing 4 at a time. |
| 20:30.43 | breign | n3kl mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /mnt/ busy |
| 20:30.55 | n3kl | breign: what kernel are you running? What filesystm? |
| 20:30.58 | stew | zzerxsd: just replace it with a new password |
| 20:31.00 | NeoIce | zzerxsd: if you have physical access, just over-write them |
| 20:31.03 | enouf | phorce1: there's ionice too |
| 20:31.06 | stew | grig: yes, you might want to ask #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org about it |
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| 20:31.30 | arcsky | if i want to ping a fast 192.168.0.1-255 what tool is good for that ? |
| 20:31.44 | arcsky | dont think i can do it with standard ping command |
| 20:31.49 | n3kl | breign: what the hell kernel is that? |
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| 20:32.06 | n3kl | breign: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:32.12 | binaryhermit | n3kl: sounds like ubuntu to me |
| 20:32.15 | breign | dunno :( some guy didit |
| 20:32.17 | phorce1 | I can actually do other things in other terminals but the updates take forever because of the multithreading. The HD light is permanently on, not even flickering. |
| 20:32.26 | n3kl | binaryhermit: grr |
| 20:32.33 | grig | arcsky: did you try ping -b? |
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| 20:32.37 | enouf | phorce1: you might want to toy with the 4 i/o schedulers on the fly (as a test) - http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.25/Documentation/block/switching-sched.txt |
| 20:32.37 | breign | yep ubuntu it is... looks like youre gonna ban me from this channel |
| 20:32.47 | EagleScreen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.49 | n3kl | breign: please go ask #ubuntu |
| 20:32.51 | zzerxsd | ...no physical access ...problem ... ssh passwd was same in .htpasswd and i got no way to ssh my server, got .htpasswd from backup ...??? |
| 20:32.59 | breign | ok sorry |
| 20:33.02 | grig | arcsky: like ping -b 192.168.0.255 |
| 20:33.26 | phorce1 | enouf: heh ... hasn't reached the point of updating past 2.6.24 yet |
| 20:33.39 | n3kl | zzerxsd: just reset it |
| 20:33.56 | n3kl | !tell EagleScreen about ipmasq |
| 20:34.08 | zzerxsd | n3kl, i got no physical or ssh access. |
| 20:34.14 | stew | zzerxsd: the password hash is not reversible, the only way to get the password would be brute force. You should get someone who has access to the box to reset your password for you |
| 20:34.17 | enouf | phorce1: huh? i'm talking switching i/o schedulers, not cpu ;-) |
| 20:34.20 | n3kl | zzerxsd: that sucks |
| 20:34.24 | enouf | phorce1: oh, also - see taskset |
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| 20:34.38 | zzerxsd | like 400 miles away, fuck yeah sucks |
| 20:34.48 | enouf | phorce1: that's the one, where you can tie a process/task to one CPU only |
| 20:35.22 | phorce1 | enouf: Ahh, that's probably what I'm looking for |
| 20:35.40 | EagleScreen | computer A has connection shared with iptables: |
| 20:35.42 | zzerxsd | stew, brute force works ...what program, i got .htpasswd from last backup here. |
| 20:35.48 | enouf | phorce1: in util-linux |
| 20:36.06 | EagleScreen | i use this script: |
| 20:36.07 | EagleScreen | modprobe iptable_nat |
| 20:36.09 | EagleScreen | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE |
| 20:36.21 | EagleScreen | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 20:37.01 | n3kl | EagleScreen: can the gateway ping the internet? |
| 20:37.21 | zzerxsd | n3kl, stew you think may john the ripper do .htpaswd ? |
| 20:37.27 | n3kl | EagleScreen: you will also need a forward rule or set your policy |
| 20:37.42 | quitte | EagleScreen: is eth1 the interface facing the outside world? |
| 20:37.43 | n3kl | zzerxsd: I am nearly positive, but you could walk there faster |
| 20:37.52 | EagleScreen | compuer A conects internet well, i am using it now |
| 20:38.01 | EagleScreen | computer B can ping internet sites |
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| 20:38.09 | EagleScreen | but does not browse them |
| 20:38.14 | quitte | n3kl: uhm no those rules are enough to connect from other machines |
| 20:38.23 | simmerz | quitte: moving the aliases into a custom file in modprobe.d and removing modprobe.conf worked a treat, thanks :) |
| 20:38.23 | n3kl | EagleScreen: you need iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -j ACCEPT or something similar |
| 20:38.29 | zzerxsd | n3kl, very busy here, got 3 machines tandby ...i can ue them :) |
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| 20:39.01 | EagleScreen | n3kl just that script was used by me time ago and it worked perfectly, any chage in Debian?? |
| 20:39.04 | n3kl | zzerxsd: still, I have let john the ripper run for months and parallel processing with jtr is hard to get working |
| 20:39.15 | quitte | EagleScreen: did you set the nameserver address on the natted hosts? |
| 20:39.38 | n3kl | quitte: I am not sure that is true. If he had iptabels -p FORWARD DROP or whatever, that would not be enough |
| 20:39.43 | UD | i guess debian figured i didnt need a kernel :P |
| 20:39.52 | UD | where is it supposed to be put? |
| 20:40.04 | quitte | n3kl: why would he? |
| 20:40.10 | enouf | funny, if he has a modprobe.conf, he's either a) not using debain, or b) created one themselves (which they shouldn't have) |
| 20:40.10 | n3kl | UD: /boot/ |
| 20:40.13 | UD | i think it deleted my old and bugged out before putting the new one where it's supposed to be |
| 20:40.24 | stew | UD: a kernel would typically go in /boot |
| 20:40.35 | EagleScreen | must i put dns-nameserver in /etc/network/interfaces in host?? |
| 20:40.45 | quitte | EagleScreen: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:40.47 | stew | UD: "apt-cache search -n linux-image" would give you a list of pacakges you could install to get a kernel |
| 20:40.53 | vlt | Hello. I have a SCSI adapter card "Adaptec AHA-1542CF" (ISA). I tried `modprobe aha1542` to activate it but got "FATAL: Error inserting aha1542 (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-k7/kernel/drivers/scsi/aha1542.ko): No such device". Any idea how to solve this? |
| 20:40.57 | n3kl | quitte: well, its best not to rely on policies and actually pur rules to allow forward. Without a forward rule, I don't think his traffic would make it from one interface to the other |
| 20:41.10 | n3kl | quitte: I could be wrong |
| 20:41.27 | esaym-acer | what's a good bug tracker / task tracker system? |
| 20:41.42 | EagleScreen | i have three dns in resolv.conf in guess computer |
| 20:41.43 | n3kl | esaym-acer: bugzilla? |
| 20:41.57 | n3kl | EagleScreen: ping 192.91.171.51 from machine b |
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| 20:42.46 | esaym-acer | n3kl: yea that looks alright just wondering if there is anything else? Plus bugzilla doesn't do task tracking |
| 20:43.11 | n3kl | esaym-acer: thats the only one I know of. Plus, not relly debian related |
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| 20:43.18 | esaym-acer | true |
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| 20:43.47 | EagleScreen | doing it, pleae a moment |
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| 20:44.44 | enouf | vlt: is that an ISA card? if so, assign it resources in the BIOS, also - do you have lines in your dmesg, like isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... and isapnp: No Plug & Play device found? |
| 20:45.02 | EagleScreen | computer B ping well to 192.91.171.51 and also any other internet address |
| 20:45.20 | vlt | enouf: Thank you, I'll check this ... |
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| 20:45.28 | phorce1 | enouf: well, cpu 2 an 3 are now staying idle. I'll give it 30 or 40 minutes to finish the 4 package installs it already had running and see if the situation improves. |
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| 20:45.41 | n3kl | EagleScreen: so I think quitte was right with the dns |
| 20:46.11 | UD | stew if i could boot into it |
| 20:46.50 | EagleScreen | okay, may be DNS is the problem, i have DNSs in computer B in resolv.conf, must i have do any other thing with DNSs in the host? |
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| 20:47.29 | enouf | vlt: in etch-backports (and lenny and sid) there's a pnputils pckg, not sure how much that would help |
| 20:47.42 | EagleScreen | i see that interfaces acept a parameter that is dns-nameservers, do i have to use it? and other that is dns-search, do i need them? |
| 20:48.16 | enouf | phorce1: 30-40min for 4 package installs? is that like a 386 box? :-P |
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| 20:48.43 | UD | only way im viewing the contents of my now kernel-less HD is through a knoppix disk |
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| 20:48.53 | UD | probably 8 years old. i cant even connect it to the internet |
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| 20:50.22 | stew | UD: if you can boot knoppix, you should be able to chroot into the debian install and run apt-cache search / aptitude install from there |
| 20:50.27 | phorce1 | enouf: the hard drive is getting hammered. I suspect this drive might not like my chipset. I am starting to see some flickering of the drive light so aptitude is backing off a bit now that it's locked to cpu0 |
| 20:50.41 | vlt | enouf: Yes, I have both isapnp lines in dmesg, and "PnPBIOS: Disabled by ACPI PNP" ... |
| 20:50.48 | phorce1 | enouf: quad Intel 2.13Ghz cpu |
| 20:51.29 | enouf | vlt: modinfo /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-k7/kernel/drivers/scsi/aha1542.ko (depends on scsi_mod + notice the isapnp parameter you can set, if you want) |
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| 20:51.59 | UD | stew and that will do what? |
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| 20:52.29 | enouf | phorce1: you might have other more basic/major general i/o, controller, kernel issues indeed |
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| 20:52.32 | EagleScreen | could i set host computer to guess can connect using DHCP???? |
| 20:52.43 | UD | if i try to install another kernel i have a feeling its just going to try to delete my kernel again? |
| 20:52.46 | stew | UD: what problem are you trying to solve? it seemed like you needed to install a kernel. |
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| 20:52.55 | stew | UD: what is going to try to delete your kernel? |
| 20:53.17 | enouf | vlt: yes, ACPI will do that .. usually it's ok, if you assign resources in the BIOS, but YMMV |
| 20:53.18 | x1938 | anyone know of an application that allows you to make shells to connect to over ssh |
| 20:53.19 | UD | well i was hoping getting the latest kernel package would solve a problem last night |
| 20:53.25 | UD | all it did was delete all kernels |
| 20:53.30 | enouf | gotta run out for a few minutes |
| 20:53.47 | phorce1 | enouf: when I did an aptitude update/aptitude safe-upgrade it wanted to do 742 upgrades. |
| 20:55.07 | enouf | phorce1: apttude defaults to installing recommends - see the -R (--without-recommends options) |
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| 20:55.34 | enouf | phorce1: even newer apt does too (0.7.x) |
| 20:55.37 | n3kl | I am not even sure I have 743 packages installed =| |
| 20:55.58 | redtape | x1928: sshd? |
| 20:56.07 | phorce1 | enouf: already fixed. I get "The following packages are recommended but will NOT be installed" at the bottom of the list |
| 20:56.09 | n3kl | phorce1: update more frequently |
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| 20:57.34 | phorce1 | n3kl: I built the machine then started playing with a PCI-E DVB-S card. No linux drivers so I stuck a separate drive with Winblows in the box. Tired of playing with the DVB-S so I wiped out Winblows and booted back to Debian. |
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| 20:59.08 | phorce1 | n3kl: on hindsight, I should have just grabbed a fresh net install .iso and gone from there. |
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| 21:01.06 | keith4 | I have a box that has hot pluggable PCI slots. Any support for this in debian? |
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| 21:01.40 | phorce1 | has to shower and go pick up my daughter's guitar from the shop. Thanks all |
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| 21:02.34 | Sling | and we care because... |
| 21:02.37 | Sling | right |
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| 21:02.57 | qbwdp | hello |
| 21:03.50 | mu532 | Sling: I dunno. why do you care? |
| 21:03.56 | debKong | just got net install lenny beta 2 i386, wandering why is there 2.6.24 suddenly |
| 21:04.09 | Sling | mu532 : dont recall me saying i did :) |
| 21:04.18 | mu532 | (if you didn't, you wouldn't say anything...) |
| 21:04.30 | Sling | i was just ranting |
| 21:04.41 | Sling | which i usually do when i have nothing in particular to do |
| 21:04.45 | mu532 | that's all I'm saying... so we agree :) |
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| 21:05.25 | keith4 | debKong: as opposed to what? |
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| 21:05.53 | mu532 | I suppose ranting is less expensive than renting :) |
| 21:06.07 | enouf | keith4: sure, see the hotswap pkg, iinm |
| 21:06.10 | Sling | unless you rant on a rented medium |
| 21:06.17 | debKong | keith4 lenny about 2 months ago had default 2.6.something afair |
| 21:06.35 | mu532 | rentarant[tm] |
| 21:06.42 | keith4 | debKong: right. and? |
| 21:06.55 | qbwdp | i have a old proglem that i want to use, ldd gives me libstdc++.so.5 => not found, so i apt-got libstdc++5, i have that is /usr/lib, but still the library is not seen, i've done ldconfig, it's in my LD_LIBRARY_PATH, what more can i check? |
| 21:07.03 | keith4 | enouf: k, thanks |
| 21:07.06 | mu532 | debKong: I think that was the case lenny's whole life :) |
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| 21:07.24 | debKong | keith4: there should be some reason why to take steps back - dont you think ? |
| 21:07.33 | mu532 | proglem? program? problem? |
| 21:07.34 | keith4 | debKong: what the F are you talking about? |
| 21:07.50 | Sling | qbwdp : the file could be corrupt |
| 21:07.57 | keith4 | "lenny has 2.6.24. 2 months ago it had 2.6.something. what happened?" |
| 21:07.57 | Sling | maybe check its md5 |
| 21:08.00 | Kovensky | will downgrade his kernel to 2.6.25 for now |
| 21:08.06 | qbwdp | Sling: thats what i though, ok |
| 21:08.29 | debKong | keith4: about something you could not possibly understand in you geekyness (i guess) |
| 21:08.48 | qbwdp | Sling: if i can't apt-get it, where else could i get it from? |
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| 21:09.02 | keith4 | last i checked, 2.6.24 qualified as "2.6.something" |
| 21:09.10 | keith4 | enouf: looks like hotswap is for hotswapping IDE devices |
| 21:09.14 | Sling | packages.debian.org ? |
| 21:09.21 | qbwdp | nice, thanx |
| 21:09.22 | enouf | qbwdp: either move it elsewhere, and provide the full path in that env variable, or check your /etc/ld.so.* files |
| 21:09.38 | enouf | keith4: yep |
| 21:09.57 | keith4 | enouf: i was wondering if the hotplug architecture supports hotplugging of PCI cards |
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| 21:10.03 | adama | what is the gnome wireless network manager app called? |
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| 21:10.17 | keith4 | most references I see to it are really regarding cardbus |
| 21:10.23 | themill | adama: nm-applet (package network-manager-gnome) |
| 21:10.24 | enouf | keith4: oh .. well, you said you had a board designed for it |
| 21:10.38 | enouf | and drive bays, yep |
| 21:10.39 | adama | thanksh |
| 21:10.46 | keith4 | enouf: right. the hardware seems to support it. wondering if the software will |
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| 21:14.20 | mu532 | adama: so you only want your networn up if you're running gnome? |
| 21:14.38 | qbwdp | Sling: i got the file from another workstation, and ldd shows all good now, thanx for the help |
| 21:14.46 | n3kl | How can I print a certificate in ascii? |
| 21:14.59 | Sling | might want to do a diff to see what was wrong |
| 21:15.01 | Sling | but np |
| 21:15.12 | mu532 | it's not quite as bad as that, but it's close... the thing is you don't need any gui or any graphics at all to configure any part of your network |
| 21:15.34 | Sling | n3kl : you mean ascii-armored? |
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| 21:16.24 | themill | Is sticking bind9 into a chroot still the thing to do or are people generally feeling happier about bind's security these days and content just to run as the user named? |
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| 21:18.06 | Rockj | Hi, ive currently installed a base system inside /mnt/new and followed the instructions located @ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en - but I dont get to install grub as boot loader |
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| 21:18.34 | infinity0 | is flashplugin-nonfree not working for anyone else either ? |
| 21:18.37 | Rockj | the command grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/new /dev/sdb hangs and never finnishes. (this is done outside the chroot/jail) |
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| 21:21.36 | grendelson | enouf, You in? |
| 21:21.36 | Joint | hey how can i installed an ident server? |
| 21:21.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 21:21.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !grub-install |
| 21:22.00 | dpkg | See all that crap in grub-install Ignore it. zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz instead. |
| 21:22.05 | enouf | grendelson: maybe ;-) |
| 21:22.10 | Rockj | Joint, aptitude install oidentd for example. |
| 21:22.12 | grendelson | enouf, No no problem this time :-) |
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| 21:22.41 | Joint | hey how can i installed an ident server? |
| 21:22.43 | grendelson | enouf, THANKS for all the help - I've been moving and resizing and reordering partitions for the last few days. Got / and /boot much larger and finished the upgrade! |
| 21:22.44 | enouf | grendelson: \o/ .. not that i recall anything |
| 21:22.47 | Joint | !identd |
| 21:22.48 | dpkg | identd is probably if you want identd for ipmasq, ask me about midentd or if it just disappeared, ask me about netstd or lame and annoying, or oidentd, a good identd, that does masquerading from a single file, or nullidentd, not relaying to internal boxen, or read RFC1413 |
| 21:22.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rockj, README.Debian.gz sais grub-install --root-directory=/boot "(hd0)" |
| 21:23.03 | enouf | grendelson: schweeetness ;-0 |
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| 21:23.06 | Joint | !midentd |
| 21:23.06 | dpkg | well, midentd is at http://p8ur.op.het.net/midentd/ (identd with masquerading support) or packaged in potato. a bloated identd server which runs perl... try oidentd instead, or very broken in woody |
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| 21:23.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Joint about msg the bot |
| 21:23.30 | Rockj | CutMeOwnThroat, reading it now :) Ill give it a try |
| 21:23.30 | grendelson | enouf, I've been using boot dvds and moving partitions with parted - I was sweating but tried to keep track of waht I did - ended up with a much cleaner HDA! |
| 21:23.45 | grendelson | with a lot more space on / for all those /lib/modules/* |
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| 21:24.18 | grendelson | And despite all that moving and crushing and rebuilding I was still able to reload grub manually and get back into Linux - and finish the upgrade! Now testin grunning smoothly! |
| 21:24.29 | enouf | fantabulous ;-) |
| 21:24.48 | maligor | a learning experience then |
| 21:24.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rockj, I think from that, your problem just was that grub doesn't understand the /dev/sda etc. syntax but wants some strange kind of hd-hardware address |
| 21:24.58 | grendelson | I was losing it the other night when you and others worked so patiently to try to sort it out why my stabel-testing was failing so bad! |
| 21:25.01 | maligor | grub is easy stuff tho |
| 21:25.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | but lilo has the nicer name |
| 21:25.23 | grendelson | so thanks again --- you really don't ahve to reinstall linux unless you manually wipe out a partition!:-) |
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| 21:25.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | much nicer... grub sounds so grubby |
| 21:25.48 | maligor | maybe they should change the name to stitch |
| 21:25.52 | plastik | hello, could someone tell me what this log means (its flooding my message log file and i have no idea what it is) thx for answer the log is here http://wklejto.pl/9581 |
| 21:25.58 | grendelson | plastik, HAH |
| 21:25.59 | Rockj | CutMeOwnThroat, still hangs, ##linux adwised me to double check my grub/menu.lst . ill try some stuff first. so brb. |
| 21:26.03 | enouf | grendelson: thanks for the kind words, and for the update on your situation - glad to hear |
| 21:26.06 | grendelson | then have Disney suing Linux for Copyright? :-) |
| 21:26.15 | Joint | !identd |
| 21:26.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, identd is if you want identd for ipmasq, ask me about midentd or if it just disappeared, ask me about netstd or lame and annoying, or oidentd, a good identd, that does masquerading from a single file, or nullidentd, not relaying to internal boxen, or read RFC1413 |
| 21:26.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rockj, you could try running strace on it to get a general idea where it hangs... will probably not do you so much good |
| 21:27.01 | Rockj | CutMeOwnThroat, good idea. |
| 21:27.04 | namor | Hi, my java sound does not work. It says the 'javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Audio Device Unavailable' |
| 21:27.07 | namor | Any ideas? |
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| 21:27.47 | grendelson | enouf, Moving into the parted on comd line from boot dvd was hairy - I actually reorder and moved all my partitions on hda! moved root to 1 and boot to 2 and resized both and then a fat swap and a 20+ gb entended for growth! Now I'm much happier withthe layout - I never really thoguth moving real partitions was possible never used parted before! |
| 21:28.05 | grendelson | I am a fan of parted now... |
| 21:28.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | namor, load the kernel-module you need for midi? (and for me at least midi!=sound) |
| 21:28.11 | grendelson | and grub! |
| 21:28.35 | Kovensky | wants to make a soft raid of his two 80G PATA disks and add that soft-raid to a LVM JBOD setup with a 250G SATA disk |
| 21:28.49 | Rockj | CutMeOwnThroat, http://paste.debian.net/16424/ |
| 21:29.03 | Rockj | oh, but it's not /mnt/new/boot/boot .. |
| 21:29.16 | dustybin | CutMeOwnThroat: would you mind changing your nick, i find it deeply offensive |
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| 21:29.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rockj, oh, no, I normally always run strace -f -F <program> |
| 21:29.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, yes, I would mind |
| 21:30.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell dustybin -about dibbler |
| 21:30.09 | foug | is the firehol-wizard good, or a piece of junk? |
| 21:30.22 | enouf | dustybin: if needed, use /ig |
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| 21:31.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, and it's really quite figuartive, as you see... |
| 21:31.32 | AbortRet1yFail | dustybin: yes, and it will be slower, more bloated, and more unstable than ever. |
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| 21:31.52 | dustybin | AbortRet1yFail: windows? |
| 21:31.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rockj, and "-e open" if I'm after files |
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| 21:32.21 | AbortRet1yFail | nope... referring to photoshop-web-app |
| 21:32.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
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| 21:32.42 | Rockj | CutMeOwnThroat, this is interessting, im trying to do a ls /mnt/new/boot/boot/grub and system hangs.. |
| 21:32.44 | sharket | Hello |
| 21:33.01 | Throat | dustybin, perhaps you like the short-form better... although it inspires some stupid jokes |
| 21:33.14 | AbortRet1yFail | scrollback. |
| 21:33.14 | dustybin | Throat: change it back! i was only messing :P |
| 21:33.18 | AbortRet1yFail | kicks irssi |
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| 21:33.31 | grendelson | Throat, I'm surprised you didn't go with "Deep" as in Watergate or Pr0n |
| 21:33.39 | Rockj | or not system hangs, the ls command hangs Throat . |
| 21:33.42 | grendelson | OF COURSE I meant Watergate! |
| 21:33.56 | Throat | see! that's what I mean |
| 21:33.56 | grendelson | and the X files.... |
| 21:33.59 | grendelson | :-) |
| 21:34.14 | grendelson | Hadda to go there - jsut to help prove your point! |
| 21:34.29 | maligor | aliens watching porn in watergate? |
| 21:34.40 | grendelson | maligor, NICE |
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| 21:34.53 | grendelson | G Gordon liddy watching alien Pron? |
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| 21:35.08 | Rockj | Nice, I don't get rid of processes even with sending -9 signal to them :/ |
| 21:35.22 | maligor | Zombies? |
| 21:35.22 | grendelson | OK that is a total digression - I'l lleave you with that mental image.... |
| 21:35.23 | octoserver | what is the equiv of apt-get dist upgrade for aptitude ? |
| 21:35.31 | sharket | good |
| 21:35.32 | Throat | Rockj, /mnt/new/boot/boot/grub? Isn't that one boot to many? |
| 21:35.32 | dudeman | hey |
| 21:35.33 | dudeman | whats up |
| 21:35.37 | grendelson | aptitude full-upgrade I think... |
| 21:36.02 | Rockj | Throat, I thought so too, but the directory exists, but I can't throw a ls in it. and that's why grub-install hangs too I guess. |
| 21:36.03 | maligor | Rockj, does it have a Z in ps ax, third column |
| 21:36.08 | Sling | Rockj : those processes are waiting for a hardware interrupt probably |
| 21:36.12 | Sling | and are unkillable |
| 21:36.24 | octoserver | i see there is a full upgrade and a safe-upgrade, is it maybe not safe to do the full-upgrade ? olol |
| 21:36.25 | Rockj | and it gets double boot when you have your own /boot partition |
| 21:36.25 | namor | CutMeThroat thanks, but modprobing anything with 'midi' in it didn't solve it. |
| 21:36.43 | grendelson | quit Going to watch alien Pr0n |
| 21:36.43 | Rockj | Sling, their in D state . |
| 21:36.51 | Rockj | *checks what D state was again* |
| 21:36.58 | Throat | grendelson, what exactly is "alien porn" loads of monsters with teeth rolling in slime together with Sigourney Weaver? |
| 21:37.24 | Sling | D is uninterruptible sleep |
| 21:37.24 | Rockj | their waiting for I/O ..hmf |
| 21:37.35 | octoserver | what about illegal alien porn ? |
| 21:37.35 | mu532 | that's not death? |
| 21:37.57 | Kovensky | mu532: no, death is Z |
| 21:37.59 | Rockj | Sling, so im stuck ? :P will it help to lazy unmount it? |
| 21:38.12 | ozzloy | http://pastebin.com/d41b3987 some ehlp with time please? |
| 21:38.17 | Sling | if you know what I/O device its waiting for |
| 21:38.20 | ozzloy | s/ehlp/help/ |
| 21:38.22 | mu532 | what is sleep and uninterruptable sleep? |
| 21:38.27 | Sling | and if thats unmountable without causing problems |
| 21:38.30 | Sling | mu532 : google |
| 21:38.31 | Throat | octoserver, that's when the slime monster is underage |
| 21:39.15 | stew | mu532: sleep is "i've got nothing to do", uninterruptable sleep is "i'm blocked from doing anything becuase i'm waiting for this IO operation to complete" |
| 21:39.22 | namor | I have a problem: Java doesn't detect my sound system properly. Amarok &al work fine, all java programs say something like: javax.sound.sampled.LineUnavailableException: Audio Device Unavailable |
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| 21:39.51 | mu532 | stew: how is sleep related to the command sleep? |
| 21:40.15 | mu532 | if at al? |
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| 21:40.59 | Throat | namor, your error changed, though |
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| 21:41.02 | Rockj | Sling, http://paste.debian.net/16425/ - seems it is stuck |
| 21:41.07 | Rockj | (that's from dmesg) |
| 21:41.12 | Bastihase | (13:08:41) * Northbear was kicked by sutt_becks (sutt_becks, cocksucker) |
| 21:41.18 | Rockj | I lazy unmounted it and tried remounting, doesnt work at all. |
| 21:41.20 | namor | Throat, the error is the same, but this time, I tried another program. |
| 21:41.44 | namor | Throat, first time, it was a midi-using program, this time, a sample program reading a wave file. |
| 21:41.54 | Throat | NOT true - it's definitely a different error (message) |
| 21:41.57 | octoserver | throat, i think watching my raid sync up is better than porn |
| 21:42.01 | Bastihase | (13:08:41) * Northbear was kicked by sutt_becks (sutt_becks, cocksucker) |
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| 21:42.09 | Throat | octoserver, you're weird |
| 21:42.13 | octoserver | lol |
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| 21:42.39 | Throat | (or your raid has some "features" I've never heared of) |
| 21:42.46 | stew | mu532: the sleep command would spend most of its time in the sleep state, but a process being in the sleep state doesn't really have anything to do with the sleep command. it could be a result of the sleep(3) syscall, but it could be a result of other syscalls like pause |
| 21:43.04 | namor | Where did you buy your raid controller, octoserver? |
| 21:43.14 | Sling | its basically a proces state assigned by the kernel |
| 21:43.21 | Sling | or scheduler |
| 21:43.22 | Throat | beate uhse |
| 21:43.27 | octoserver | i like to torture it and break the raid, then make it submit back into the collective |
| 21:43.33 | namor | o_O |
| 21:43.38 | octoserver | well, im using mdadm |
| 21:43.47 | \amethyst | interruptable sleep just means that the process isn't executing any instructions right now, so there's no point giving it CPU time until something happens to end the sleep |
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| 21:43.56 | octoserver | i didnt want to pay 300 for a good one |
| 21:43.59 | Throat | octoserver, you also put a black rubber/latex casing around your hard disks, now did you? |
| 21:44.03 | \amethyst | like a signal coming in, or the I/O it asked for finishing, etc |
| 21:44.06 | octoserver | hahah |
| 21:44.17 | slurpee | anyone ever setup argus? I am having a hard time finding good documentation on how to install it for Debian. |
| 21:44.20 | octoserver | throat, no i like them naked |
| 21:44.26 | Throat | octoserver, gosh |
| 21:45.00 | Sling | guys, #debian-offtopic is for this |
| 21:45.01 | octoserver | Throat: I did accidentally drop my +5 to ground the other day and gave them some shock treatment too |
| 21:45.28 | namor | I found the error with my java sound. It wants to use the /dev/dsp device for some reason. If I start the program with aoss it works fine; but I don't know how to set java to using alsa. Any ideas? |
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| 21:49.06 | octoserver | There are now 152 updates [-39] wwhy -39 ? |
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| 21:50.44 | asoot | hello |
| 21:50.46 | asoot | what |
| 21:51.01 | karsten | asoot: If you've got a question, ask. |
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| 21:52.03 | asoot | what's the best way to find out my server procducer (i think it's from dell but how to make sure?) |
| 21:53.46 | asoot | how can i gather information about my hardware (i know /proc/cpuinfo and lspci) |
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| 21:55.20 | icedtea | asoot: dmesg |
| 21:55.39 | Daemonik | Would it be unwise to use Linux softraid for RAID5? If a drive were to fail, how would I know which physical drive to remove? |
| 21:56.06 | zinx | number them |
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| 21:57.24 | Daemonik | zinx, Are they always going to be sd<letter>? What would happen if I were to replace a dead drive (/dev/sdc) with another? Would the new drive become sdc, or become sdf? |
| 21:57.25 | scgtrp | does debian do anything funky with ext3fs that would prevent ext2ifs from reading it? |
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| 21:57.46 | eptalon | heyas |
| 21:57.58 | Daemonik | zinx, Or does Debian put a unique identifier on these drives? |
| 21:58.05 | eptalon | except for real player what other linux apps can play .rm files? |
| 21:58.20 | zinx | Daemonik: depends on how it's allocated. quite possibly not. but you can refer to drives by /dev/disk/*, which provide path-based (physical port), uuid/label based (don't think it'll show raid stuff, though), and other stuff |
| 21:58.32 | asoot | eptalon: probably vlc.. |
| 21:58.37 | zinx | Daemonik: you'd probably want to use /dev/disk/by-path/ |
| 21:58.43 | nkuttler | eptalon: mplayer should |
| 21:59.24 | Daemonik | zinx, So if /dev/sdb were to fail how would I know which UUID it has / had? |
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| 21:59.58 | Daemonik | zinx, Path is leading me to which SATA port yes? These are SATA in a supermicro drive housing. |
| 22:00.05 | zinx | Daemonik: you wouldn't use uuid, you'd use path |
| 22:00.09 | zinx | Daemonik: yes |
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| 22:01.19 | eptalon | asoot: vlc: no sound; nkuttler: mplayer : no video |
| 22:01.34 | asoot | okay |
| 22:01.38 | Daemonik | zinx, Then when a drive fails, and it's /dev/sd<whatever>, how could I check the path of said drive? |
| 22:01.48 | asoot | maybe you just need another codec (for audio)..? |
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| 22:02.31 | zinx | Daemonik: ls -l /dev/disk/by-path/ ? :x |
| 22:03.03 | Daemonik | zinx, Ah, they're symlinks. Thank you. |
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| 22:04.55 | MariachiAC | Hello, can anyone tell me how to specify a module that I've installed for my kernel to load at boot? |
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| 22:20.29 | supermoi | hachi: crash system ... what was your command and does it cut *all* sounds or just beep ? |
| 22:20.59 | dondelelcaro | supermoi: /msg dpkg bell |
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| 22:23.09 | supermoi | dondelelcaro: it's all about the bug with the .26 and the battery. So many pb as somme friends around me ask why i don't use windows, "they're no pb" they say ... i fell so tired ! ^^ |
| 22:24.28 | dondelelcaro | supermoi: not sure I follow you there |
| 22:24.46 | dondelelcaro | supermoi: what problem with .26 and the battery, and which pb are you refering to? |
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| 22:25.22 | JordiGH | Can I just resize an encrypted partition willy-nilly or could I face data loss? |
| 22:27.11 | supermoi | dondelelcaro: the eeepc-modules have some bugs with the .26, some are with the battery that #debian-eeepc try to solve. My system was really stable with the .25. I didn't know about these bugs and i updated |
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| 22:27.44 | dondelelcaro | supermoi: you can always just revert to 2.6.25 until they're resolved. |
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| 22:28.41 | mns | I've got Debian/ Testing with 2.6.26 installed and running. I now keep getting the computer beep sounding everytime I do things like hit the backspace and there is no more to backspace, or if there's new mail that arrived ... or any other event. Anyone know how to shut this off ? |
| 22:28.45 | supermoi | dondelelcaro: i tryed, but the pbs are still there, the #debian-eeepc don't understand, we try many solutions |
| 22:28.53 | dondelelcaro | supermoi: pbs? |
| 22:29.21 | dondelelcaro | is this some silly abbreviation of problems? |
| 22:29.22 | supermoi | dondelelcaro: problems |
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| 22:29.51 | dondelelcaro | supermoi: if you're running 2.6.25 now, and the problems persist, then they've nothing to do with the kernel. |
| 22:29.59 | dondelelcaro | supermoi: what exactly are the problems anyway? |
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| 22:30.47 | supermoi | mns: in gnome : system > preferences > sounds |
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| 22:32.06 | PiousMinion | I've got a fresh install of lenny and I'm getting this error on apt-get update. Ideas ?? --> W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 22:32.27 | supermoi | dondelelcaro: the bugs come from the eeepc-modules with acpi - that i understood. For ex, systeme can't boot cause the battery "encount an critical temperature" |
| 22:33.05 | foug | uhm, so i was in nano, i pressed ctrl+z on accident, and now i can't type at my prompt. How can I get back to nano? |
| 22:33.10 | supermoi | PiousMinion: did you set some gpg keys ? |
| 22:33.14 | adama | foug: fg |
| 22:33.31 | foug | adama: thanks |
| 22:33.52 | PiousMinion | supermoi: I haven't done jack other than install debian-keyring. This is a fresh install. |
| 22:34.23 | adama | PiousMinion: do this: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys <key signature> ; apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg |
| 22:34.25 | supermoi | PiousMinion: let check /etc/apt/sources.list ... |
| 22:34.38 | adama | to import the key |
| 22:35.18 | PiousMinion | adama: <key signature> is that number in the error? |
| 22:35.59 | mns | supermoi: not using GNOME. Just plain vtwm. |
| 22:36.04 | PiousMinion | supermoi: sources.list is perfect. I copied and pasted it from my working lenny system. I've read it and know it to be accurate. :/ |
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| 22:37.50 | Lagbolt | PiousMinion, do you have debian-keyring installed? |
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| 22:39.53 | supermoi | mns: so i have the same pb ^^ |
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| 22:40.10 | PiousMinion | Lagbolt: aye |
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| 22:41.14 | fbc | Is there any way to tell what ports are mapped to which apps or services? |
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| 22:41.38 | mns | supermoi: :) |
| 22:41.43 | AndreSantos | whats the file to edit and change grub configurations? |
| 22:42.09 | PiousMinion | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.19 | supermoi | AndreSantos: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 22:42.22 | supermoi | ^^ |
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| 22:45.10 | Gustavo-Martins | Please! With TCP and UDP ports does XDMCP use? |
| 22:46.02 | jelly-home | Gustavo-Martins: ummm... grep xdm /etc/services ? |
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| 22:47.46 | jelly-home | fbc: currently running services, or in general? |
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| 22:48.46 | jelly-home | fbc: you can use netstat (esp. -p option), lsof or fuser |
| 22:49.46 | jelly-home | eg. netstat -anp |
| 22:51.41 | supermoi | so i come back with my question ! I turn off beep system in the x by gnome> system>preferences>sounds, but still have one beep to the log screen after boot and to log off, (tty or x), how i turn of them ? |
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| 22:52.24 | fbc | jelly-home, In general.... I want to know which apps are currently using ports. Some times I'm not running an apps at all and my network monitor shows activity, and i want to know what is using up my bandwidth. |
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| 22:53.06 | fbc | jelly-home, for example I noticed UDP 48017 is open and connected (netstat), but I have no idea what is using it. |
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| 22:53.35 | \amethyst | fbc: ports that high are usually outgoing connections |
| 22:53.53 | \amethyst | fbc: netstat -plnu | grep 48017 to find out what process (and what the other end of the connection is) |
| 22:54.15 | Tramp | Gustavo-Martins: grep xdmcp /etc/services |
| 22:54.21 | \amethyst | fbc: (as root---only root can see all processes in netstat -p ) |
| 22:54.40 | Gustavo-Martins | jelly-home: i am trying to connect via XDMCP, frtom windows xp with xming to linux server, the xdmcp is enabled on linux server and my router give the both permission tu TCP and UDP port 177 like shown in the grep that i did. The problem is: When o try to connect i get only a gray screen with a mouse cursor like an X, from X Server, i can not get xdm or gdm login screen, do you have any sugestion? |
| 22:54.45 | adama | fbc: I would use wireshark to get a good picture of what your NIC is doing |
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| 22:56.23 | jelly-home | Gustavo-Martins: they "gray screen with a cross cursor" is a default when starting the X server alone by itself |
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| 22:56.34 | PiousMinion | Ok, I'm getting GPG errors with apt-get on a fresh install of lenny. Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. I've prepared all kinds of info that should help solve this problem here. --> http://pastebin.ca/1194217 |
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| 22:57.38 | jelly-home | Gustavo-Martins: I guess you might have to configure your *dm, I haven't used xdmcp in a while |
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| 22:58.07 | adama | !flash |
| 22:58.07 | dpkg | methinks flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 22:58.20 | Gustavo-Martins | jelly-home, have idea about how to start to configure *dm? |
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| 22:58.32 | fbc | adama, \amethyst , jelly-home , I did a sudo netstat -p and got so many lines.. it started out fine showing me xchat and the port is was using they it went crazy scrolling lines. like this: http://pastebin.com/m723ef0a7 |
| 22:58.36 | allos_nerelin | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . .dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure): |
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| 22:59.25 | Gustavo-Martins | jelly-home i could see xdmcp enable=true in the /etc/gdm/gdm.conf configuration file. |
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| 22:59.31 | sajes | PiousMinion: Try taking out contrib and non-free out of the update lines in sources.list and apt-get update. |
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| 23:00.00 | jelly-home | Gustavo-Martins: no idea, apart from generic "read the documentation, look at their files in /etc" |
| 23:00.26 | Gustavo-Martins | jelly-home: thaks very much |
| 23:01.07 | PiousMinion | sajes: done, same error. |
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| 23:01.30 | fbc | Is there any utility that would just give me a the process name and port number/tcp or udp? I would like to audit my machine. |
| 23:01.38 | supermoi | PiousMinion: let check gpg-vulnkeys |
| 23:01.39 | sajes | PiousMinion: You have gnupg installed right? |
| 23:01.59 | PiousMinion | sajes: yep, second thing I checked. :) |
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| 23:02.08 | PiousMinion | supermoi: gpg-vulnkeys? |
| 23:02.32 | supermoi | PiousMinion: yes, about the ssl crack found |
| 23:02.41 | CompWizrd | fbc: lsof, netstat, fuser? |
| 23:03.08 | jelly-home | fbc: that's normal output for netstat. If you want only tcp and udp (and not unix socket), use the correct command line options |
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| 23:03.49 | denysonique | Can someone recommend me a nice howto for setting up a DNS,mail server on debian? |
| 23:03.59 | fbc | jelly-home, ok, I will try to learn to use netstat more indepth. |
| 23:04.13 | supermoi | denysonique: wiki debian |
| 23:04.15 | fbc | CompWizrd, thanks for the suggestions.. |
| 23:04.30 | skath | fbc, you probably want the -a option to netstat also |
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| 23:04.33 | PiousMinion | supermoi: wouldn't an "apt-get dist-upgrade" fix that? |
| 23:05.00 | PiousMinion | supermoi: I don't know what gpg-vulnkeys is anyway. a file? a package? a concept? |
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| 23:05.20 | supermoi | PiousMinion: that is to upgrade to an up kernel. Wich one do you use ? |
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| 23:05.24 | jelly-home | skath: he _doesn't_, that exactly what he was complaining about |
| 23:05.46 | skath | fbc, jelly-home, I bet he wants netstat -pantu then |
| 23:06.03 | jelly-home | skath: don't bet. read the backlog instead |
| 23:06.21 | fbc | skath, that will show me unix sockets too, I need to figure out how to eliminate the unix sockets and just leave the tcp and udp sockets |
| 23:06.32 | skath | that's what the t and u are for |
| 23:06.38 | skath | just tcp and udp |
| 23:06.41 | PiousMinion | supermoi: Well, dist-upgrade does more than just kernels, but I do both upgrade and sit-upgrade. I use linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 23:07.14 | jelly-home | skath, fbc : in short, remove -a |
| 23:07.16 | jeffd_ | On lenny, I have installed network manager, and started it, yet the system tray icon doesn't come up. Is there something else I must run? |
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| 23:07.27 | supermoi | PiousMinion: that is the last one, so don't need to sys-upgrade |
| 23:07.42 | skath | jelly-home, removing -a will omit listening ports, I thought he wanted to see those if he's doing an audit |
| 23:07.57 | PiousMinion | supermoi: ok, but what do I do about this gpg error in apt? |
| 23:08.29 | jelly-home | skath: oh right, my bad! |
| 23:08.46 | supermoi | jeffd_: let check the conf in /etc/network/interfaces. and after restart the network manager |
| 23:08.47 | jelly-home | -tupan it is then |
| 23:09.33 | supermoi | PiousMinion: did a pb while installation (what i guess in fact) |
| 23:09.43 | multi_io | I have a bash running in an xterm here that outputs an endless stream of 2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1; ... |
| 23:10.03 | jelly-home | multi_io: ctrl-c doesn't help? |
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| 23:10.05 | jeffd_ | supermoi, would auto wlan0 work? |
| 23:10.18 | supermoi | multi_io: reset ? (randomly) |
| 23:10.19 | multi_io | jelly-home: no |
| 23:10.31 | fbc | skath, OMG!! yep that was what i was looking for. |
| 23:10.36 | jelly-home | multi_io: ^o^c? |
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| 23:10.45 | multi_io | I can't find any process that produces these characters |
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| 23:11.23 | multi_io | jelly-home: nope |
| 23:11.41 | PiousMinion | supermoi: pb? |
| 23:11.44 | jelly-home | multi_io: it might be something you catted or pasted into that terminal |
| 23:11.54 | supermoi | jeffd_: with network-manager, you should have only this in /etc/network/interfaces : auto lo, iface lo inet loopback |
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| 23:12.15 | jelly-home | multi_io: (cat a binary file can do similar stuff to a terminal emulator)( |
| 23:12.23 | multi_io | the terminal was originally running a tail -f on a mysql log file, and that didn't react to any keyboard input anymore either. So I killed it, and immediately afterwards this endless stream of characters started |
| 23:12.24 | supermoi | PiousMinion: twice ! us people don't use "pb" for problem ? |
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| 23:12.38 | jelly-home | multi_io: meh, just kill the term :-) |
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| 23:12.42 | PiousMinion | supermoi: nope. lol |
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| 23:13.10 | fbc | skath, netstat --help is almost as cryptic as assembly language to me.(or just about any programming language for that matter) Thank you for your help. |
| 23:13.11 | supermoi | PiousMinion: i had the question twice today ^^ |
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| 23:13.23 | jeffd_ | Supermoi, that was all I had, yet network manager doesn't come up with an icon |
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| 23:14.23 | PiousMinion | supermoi: Well, I'm kind of thinking that the lenny installer foobared it. After everythign installed I noticed that somehow the SID repos got added. Why the hell the lenny install would add the SID repos is beyond me. |
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| 23:14.48 | jelly-home | PiousMinion: "sid" is not an acronym, btw |
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| 23:15.06 | supermoi | jeffd_: sudo iwlist ath0 scan (or wlan0 for you) |
| 23:15.37 | PiousMinion | jelly-home: I'm aware of that. He's the bad kid next door. :) |
| 23:15.41 | jeffd_ | two cells listed |
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| 23:15.52 | multi_io | http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~klischat/xterm-junk-output.txt |
| 23:15.56 | supermoi | PiousMinion: there is a confusing between the lenny mirror and the sid package list ? |
| 23:16.11 | multi_io | ok, I'll kill it, but still ... strange |
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| 23:17.12 | supermoi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.36 | jeffd_ | supermoi, yes, two cells |
| 23:18.11 | r-p | !gnash |
| 23:18.11 | dpkg | somebody said gnash was a GNU project to create a free software Flash player. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a browser plugin. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. See http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ for more information. ask me about <gnash_etch> |
| 23:18.11 | supermoi | jeffd_: ok. restart nw : sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager restart |
| 23:18.38 | jeffd_ | ok, no icons come up |
| 23:18.45 | denysonique | supermoi: cheers. |
| 23:19.30 | supermoi | jeffd_: wiered. troubles with the gnome pannel ? have you an avalable connection ? |
| 23:19.38 | allos_nerelin | http://pastebin.com/d732c5473 help-me |
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| 23:20.38 | jeffd_ | supermoi, I am on ethernet right now because I can't get it to work. I do have my own wpa protected cell |
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| 23:21.41 | jeffd_ | I might just retry tomorrow, its getting late. |
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| 23:22.59 | jeffd_ | THank you supermoi tfor looking |
| 23:23.06 | PiousMinion | Anyone know why the lenny beta2 install would add the sid repos to /etc/apt/sources.list? It really screws things up. |
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| 23:23.25 | stew | PiousMinion: it wouldn't |
| 23:23.35 | supermoi | jeffd_: no worries man |
| 23:24.05 | supermoi | PiousMinion: let install with the sid mirror ... |
| 23:25.12 | PiousMinion | stew: Well, I'm looking at my /etc/apt/sources.list and the sid repos are clearly there on a fresh install. Any ideas as to why? |
| 23:25.35 | supermoi | denysonique: yes, there are excellents howto on the wiki, indeed |
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| 23:27.35 | stew | PiousMinion: can you show us? are you sure that you and not somebody else didn't edit /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 23:28.54 | scibot | Hi, I want to send a machine in for repairs and I want to remove the entire system before I do. What do you recommend? |
| 23:29.04 | barnum | keep the drive! |
| 23:29.23 | PiousMinion | stew: It's a fresh install. No one has access to the box nor the knowledge to do something like that if they did. |
| 23:29.40 | scibot | I can't, it's solid state and welded. |
| 23:29.42 | fbc | What's the easiest way to disable IPv6 support?? |
| 23:29.53 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell fbc about no ipv6 |
| 23:30.10 | barnum | the hard drive is welded to the box? |
| 23:30.29 | dmoerner | fbc: guess that's not a factoid. add "blacklist ipv6" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and reboot...that should do it |
| 23:30.46 | scibot | Usually I'd just boot off a live cd, shred and then cfdisk it, wondering if there's a better solution. |
| 23:31.07 | barnum | not that i can think of offhand |
| 23:31.25 | barnum | you can delete any sensitive data while the box is running |
| 23:31.26 | fbc | dmoerner, cool thanks.. |
| 23:31.27 | h3king | morning |
| 23:31.29 | barnum | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.38 | barnum | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.48 | barnum | if you single user mode can nuke almost everything |
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| 23:33.39 | jescis | By about this time friday(tomarrow) jescis.net will be my domain name \o/ |
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| 23:39.44 | linuxguy | ive got debian 5 beta from a mag coverDVD....it says kde version is on it to...how do i jusat install kde 3.5.9 please? |
| 23:40.41 | denysonique | linuxguy: from which mag you've got it? |
| 23:41.11 | abrotman | linuxguy: apititude install kde kdm xorg |
| 23:41.19 | CompWizrd | abrotman: but he's got version 5! |
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| 23:41.27 | denysonique | linuxguy: the installer will be asking you questions. |
| 23:41.31 | abrotman | that's what version lenny will be .. if it ever releases |
| 23:41.33 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:42.08 | denysonique | jpinx: Aren't you looking for gdm? |
| 23:43.07 | jpinx | denysonique: maybe - but I don't have gnome |
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| 23:45.16 | linuxguy | denysonique, its from an english mag Linux magazine......its still only beta though |
| 23:45.45 | abrotman | jpinx: what do you have? |
| 23:45.47 | abrotman | linuxguy: apititude install kde kdm xorg |
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| 23:46.30 | jpinx | abrotman: a base system with xorg and xfce4 installed |
| 23:46.43 | abrotman | xdm or gdm would be fine |
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| 23:47.27 | jpinx | searches apt-cache |
| 23:47.31 | jpinx | again |
| 23:47.33 | linuxguy | abrotman, thanks.......I thought it might of been something like that......i tried this to installgui tasks="kde-desktop, standard" from etch, but it disnt work.......i was hoping there might be a "session" button to switch beteween the dessktops......so it must be aa real early beta realease |
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| 23:50.41 | linuxguy | abrotman, any ideas when Lenny might be out? |
| 23:50.45 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 23:50.46 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
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| 23:53.31 | JordiGH | squeeze |
| 23:53.35 | JordiGH | My main squeeze. |
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| 23:54.53 | jhamlin | Is there any way to annotate pdf documents in Debian? Is there any program that can show pdf annotations other than acroread? I've tried evince, xpdf and kpdf and none show annotations... |
| 23:55.26 | JordiGH | jhamlin: What do you mean annotations? Forms? pdftk and something similar for ps will let you doodle over documents. |
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| 23:56.05 | linuxguy | abrotman, it seems from what ive been reading on distrowatch \ debian site......is that last month only a live version of lenny was released? |
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| 23:56.27 | abrotman | linuxguy: i need to find a translator |
| 23:56.42 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 23:56.42 | dpkg | from memory, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 23:57.38 | dudeman | hm |
| 23:58.19 | linuxguy | abrotman, .....ok ok.......so your english is poor, so why would a magazine release an unofficial beta release of Lenny....BTW its an American based mag |
| 23:58.26 | abrotman | my english is poor? |
| 23:58.39 | JordiGH | deports abrotman. |
| 23:58.44 | abrotman | linuxguy: you want me to speculate why the editors of a magazine are a bunch of morons? |
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