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| 00:00.08 | jhamlin | JordiGH: annotations allow you to make comments, strikethroughs, highlights etc on a pdf document. Everyone in my lab uses it but I can't seem to find a way to do it with debian... :( |
| 00:00.21 | dondelelcaro | linuxguy: when lenny is released, you'll see it in the topic. it's not there, so it hasn't happened. |
| 00:00.28 | sharket | ?? |
| 00:00.28 | linuxguy | abrotman, .....no noyu dont get what I am saying....Debian release a live cd of Lenny.....ok.....the mag releases a beta version of lenny thats not ready......thats why Ive been having crap with drivers etc.....the release is unofficial and not redy |
| 00:00.30 | stew | linuxguy: if you want to know why a magazine did what it did, you should probably ask them, not us |
| 00:00.37 | dondelelcaro | jhamlin: I personally use xournal |
| 00:01.09 | dondelelcaro | linuxguy: we haven't released anything. There are testing versions of loads of things available, however. |
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| 00:01.18 | JordiGH | jhamlin: Oh. Okular can do it. But it's in experimental... You don't have to get all of KDE 4, though. |
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| 00:01.35 | abrotman | JordiGH: it's in lenny also |
| 00:02.00 | JordiGH | abrotman: Oh, so it is, older version. |
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| 00:02.15 | abrotman | genius |
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| 00:02.29 | pothibo | !search git-server |
| 00:02.43 | jhamlin | dondelelcaro: JordiGH: thanks for the suggestions |
| 00:02.53 | linuxguy | dondelelcaro, yes i know ive useed the testing versions to |
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| 00:03.49 | JordiGH | tries Okular's annotations, seem to work. |
| 00:03.50 | pothibo | what is the package for git server ? |
| 00:03.57 | abrotman | !tell pothibo about search |
| 00:04.06 | JordiGH | jhamlin: It allows highlighting, strikethrough, and adding these postits to the thing. |
| 00:05.07 | jhamlin | JordiGH: hopefully it's better at reading pdf annotations that acroread. acroread sucks - eats up a ton of computing power and doesn't even render the annotations properly |
| 00:05.14 | JordiGH | Yay, doodling on PDFs. I've never tried this before. |
| 00:05.25 | dondelelcaro | jhamlin: the pdf annotations are just more bits of the pdf, so that shouldn't matter |
| 00:05.29 | JordiGH | jhamlin: Yeah, I don't know why Adobe keeps making crap software for its own formats. |
| 00:05.32 | dondelelcaro | jhamlin: done right, it produces just another pdf at the end |
| 00:05.51 | dondelelcaro | (at least, that's how xournal does it; I assume okular does similar things) |
| 00:05.51 | zinx | jhamlin: wow.. even adobe can't render pdfs correctly? |
| 00:06.08 | jhamlin | dondelelcaro: yeah but the little post it things you have to click on to make them appear. my acroread wont show the post-its properly |
| 00:06.14 | dondelelcaro | ah; okular is YA libpopler thingie |
| 00:06.17 | JordiGH | zinx: Like I said, Adobe produces crap software for its own formats. |
| 00:06.20 | jhamlin | zinx: yah it's mindblowing |
| 00:06.38 | JordiGH | jhamlin: The postits seem to show up ok in Okular. |
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| 00:07.09 | jhamlin | So where could I read about the proper way to get Okular (or any experimental/testin package) installed on an etch system? |
| 00:07.25 | JordiGH | jhamlin: Oy, you're on etch? Check backports.org... |
| 00:08.02 | JordiGH | Yeah, okular isn't backported. |
| 00:08.21 | JordiGH | I highly doubt it will compile in etch... |
| 00:09.45 | pobega | Is there a Debian installer for USB keys? Google is returning no results. |
| 00:10.00 | pobega | USB drives, I mean. I have the habit of calling it a key |
| 00:10.12 | abrotman | !tell pobega about usb install |
| 00:10.14 | jhamlin | pobega: yes, check out debian.org |
| 00:10.31 | multi_io | is there a way to figure out what a link like "socket:[225850]" in /proc/<pid>/fd/ refers to? |
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| 00:10.53 | pobega | jhamlin: From what I can see all that is there is ISOs |
| 00:11.30 | multi_io | is the 225850 the same for another process that attaches to that socket? |
| 00:12.00 | jhamlin | pobega: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 00:12.13 | abrotman | !tell pobega about usb install |
| 00:12.40 | zinx | multi_io: if you use -e to netstat, it will show the inode number |
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| 00:13.12 | pobega | abrotman: Thank you |
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| 00:15.46 | jhamlin | JordiGH: so there's really no way to compile Okular on etch? Maybe this is highly ignorant but I was under the impression there was some general method for making a backport... |
| 00:16.13 | JordiGH | jhamlin: You can try, but I don't think etch has the right libraries for compiling okular. You'd have to compile those libraries in turn... |
| 00:17.30 | JordiGH | jhamlin: You could also try dondelelcaro's suggestion, xournal. |
| 00:17.45 | dondelelcaro | yeah, xournal doesn't appear to be backported either, though |
| 00:17.55 | dondelelcaro | it's dependency tree is smaller, but still not trivial |
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| 00:18.35 | JordiGH | jhamlin: Or you could come to lenny and help us squash bugs for the next release. :-) |
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| 00:21.21 | jhamlin | JordiGH: I'd like to but I need a system that "just works" and wont have trouble upgrading to the new stable... |
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| 00:21.33 | pobega | Are there any Debian USB installers that can live ALONGSIDE other files, like DSL? |
| 00:21.54 | karsten | pobega: Um. "Alongside" how? |
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| 00:22.16 | dmoerner | pobega: yes. just stick the kernel/initrd.gz on the stick with the proper syslinux configuration |
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| 00:22.45 | JordiGH | jhamlin: Yeah, etch's stability is nice. Now both my brother and my mom are using it. Hrm. You could try to see if Okular's homepage has some instructions for compilation, bypassing Debian's packaging system entirely. |
| 00:22.54 | scgtrp | does anyone know an easier way to get a package without an internet connection than rebooting to windows and grabbing it and its deps from packages.debian.org? |
| 00:22.54 | Dacs | howdy |
| 00:22.55 | dmoerner | pobega: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s04.html#usb-copy-flexible |
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| 00:23.51 | format_c | scgtrp, yes. Make linux connected to internet |
| 00:24.01 | streuner | scgtrp: installing Debian WITH i-net makes more fun, what stops you to have fun? |
| 00:24.08 | scgtrp | format_c, easier said than done - the package i'm trying to get is ndiswrapper... |
| 00:24.22 | Saar | are nameservers in d-i separated by commas or spaces? |
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| 00:24.47 | JordiGH | scgtrp: Don't you have a wireful connection you could temporarily use? |
| 00:24.51 | streuner | scgtrp: are you sure there isn't a driver for your NIC? |
| 00:25.00 | scgtrp | JordiGH, i don't have a cable that long, i'm across the house from the router |
| 00:25.00 | Dacs | can someone please tell me what do "DHCPRELEASE on eth0 to 192.168.1.1 port 67" mean? where is that 192.168.1.1 cached?! |
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| 00:25.16 | scgtrp | streuner, only accounts i can find of people getting it to work on any linux distro involve ndiswrapper |
| 00:25.20 | JordiGH | scgtrp: And can't you walk? :-) |
| 00:25.21 | Akuw | Hi |
| 00:25.28 | Akuw | i have problems to run php |
| 00:25.31 | format_c | scgtrp, and the only connection is via wireless? |
| 00:25.34 | Akuw | i just installed apache2 |
| 00:25.34 | dmoerner | scgtrp: you could bootstrap from a livecd that has working ndiswrapper: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds03.html |
| 00:25.38 | scgtrp | it's a netgear wg111, if you know another way to get it working i'm open to ideas |
| 00:25.45 | Akuw | and later php5 using synaptic |
| 00:25.59 | format_c | scgtrp, which chip based wireless card? |
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| 00:26.07 | scgtrp | "D.3. Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System" -- sure that was the right link? |
| 00:26.19 | dmoerner | scgtrp: yes. |
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| 00:27.02 | streuner | scgtrp: notebook? |
| 00:27.03 | allos_nerelin | df: `/var/lib/mysql/data/.': No such file or directory |
| 00:27.03 | allos_nerelin | * /etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql/data is too full! |
| 00:27.06 | Dacs | Akuw: whats your problem |
| 00:27.28 | scgtrp | streuner, desktop. if it was a notebook i'd carry it closer to the router and plug in an ethernet cable |
| 00:27.30 | Akuw | well |
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| 00:27.49 | dmoerner | scgtrp: why did you ask if it was the right link? |
| 00:27.51 | Akuw | apache is ok, but when i try to run php code, it ask where to download |
| 00:28.05 | scgtrp | dmoerner, because it doesn't mention ndiswrapper or even wireless |
| 00:28.05 | abrotman | Akuw: clear browser cache .. restart browser |
| 00:28.12 | streuner | scgtrp: well, thats easy then, just sell that NIC and buy some supported one :-) |
| 00:28.34 | dmoerner | scgtrp: did you read the first half of what i said? you can get a livecd with working ndiswrapper and install from there |
| 00:29.07 | scgtrp | dmoerner, i assumed you meant that page had links to isos. i actually asked about that here before i installed, but nobody knew where they were |
| 00:29.21 | scgtrp | so i installed the base system off a netinst cd |
| 00:30.04 | Akuw | ok, still ask for download |
| 00:30.05 | Dacs | Akuw: did you test with "<? php phponfo(); ?>" |
| 00:30.11 | Akuw | yeah |
| 00:30.16 | scgtrp | Akuw, make sure your content types are set right |
| 00:30.41 | dmoerner | scgtrp: sidux i know has ndiswrapper on the base livecd. you could boot that up, get wireless working, and then chroot into debian and install the packages you need |
| 00:30.59 | scgtrp | hm, cool |
| 00:31.00 | Akuw | content types? |
| 00:31.06 | scgtrp | i just found a cable that's long enough :D |
| 00:31.19 | Akuw | i don't understand |
| 00:31.27 | Akuw | i ever install it and work |
| 00:31.29 | scgtrp | Akuw, AddType stuff in apache config |
| 00:31.44 | Akuw | how? |
| 00:31.54 | scgtrp | i don't remember the correct settings off hand, but if it says octet-stream or doesn't mention .php files at all that's your problem |
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| 00:32.50 | Piper69 | Akuw: well , which code are you trying to run? |
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| 00:33.31 | Akuw | <?php phpinfo(); ?> |
| 00:33.35 | Akuw | only that |
| 00:34.16 | Piper69 | Akuw: what code are you trying to run?! |
| 00:34.23 | quitte | scgtrp: is that a wg111v2? |
| 00:34.37 | abrotman | Akuw: clear browser cache .. restart browser |
| 00:34.46 | scgtrp | quitte, not sure |
| 00:34.58 | scgtrp | i bought it last weekend, so i assume it's whatever the newest one is |
| 00:35.30 | streuner | Why didn't you search for it (supported or not)? |
| 00:35.34 | Piper69 | Akuw: did you do what abrotman said? |
| 00:35.39 | scgtrp | quitte, v3 |
| 00:35.48 | scgtrp | streuner, good question. not thinking |
| 00:36.05 | scgtrp | anyway, i have an ethernet cable connected now. i'll go try this i guess |
| 00:36.05 | Akuw | nothing |
| 00:36.09 | Akuw | is the same |
| 00:36.12 | scgtrp | does the base install include dhcpcd? |
| 00:36.25 | dmoerner | scgtrp: it uses dhclient |
| 00:36.29 | scgtrp | or that. |
| 00:36.33 | scgtrp | a dhcp app :) |
| 00:36.33 | abrotman | Akuw: try another browser |
| 00:36.35 | Piper69 | Akuw: answer the question please? |
| 00:36.43 | abrotman | Akuw: you did 'a2enmod php5' .. right ? |
| 00:37.00 | streuner | sure, DHCP is supported of course |
| 00:37.13 | smacnay | how do I make a small hard drive read/writeable by anyone if this hard drive will be hotplugged with a usb device? |
| 00:37.46 | quitte | scgtrp: https://rtl-wifi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/rtl-wifi/ |
| 00:37.49 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: depends on the filesystem |
| 00:37.56 | Piper69 | scgtrp: streuner : please don't mention the word DHCP infornt of me ! because right now i hate DHCP lol |
| 00:37.56 | quitte | that doesn'T solve your installation problems, though |
| 00:38.27 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, right now it is ext2 but is rw by root only... another filesystem might be a good idea... |
| 00:38.35 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, fat or something |
| 00:38.38 | Akuw | wait |
| 00:38.39 | Akuw | please |
| 00:39.50 | JordiGH | Speaking of filesystems, can I resize an encrypted partition? |
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| 00:40.34 | JordiGH | wants to try the Dark Side in a separate partition. |
| 00:41.03 | Piper69 | can someone please tell me what do "DHCPRELEASE on eth0 to 192.168.1.1 port 67" mean? where is that 192.168.1.1 cached?! |
| 00:41.05 | amphi | 'dark side' ? plan 9 ? |
| 00:41.07 | drazak | great album, JordiGH |
| 00:41.19 | JordiGH | drazak: I meant FreeBSD. :P |
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| 00:41.39 | amphi | I was somewhat close ;) |
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| 00:42.32 | Bladesman | Anyone know how to use zipsplit to create a multipart zip file? I've tried every combination of parameters I can think of and nothing seems to work. Need to mail a large file to a friend, but can't cut it into pieces Windows can handle thru the mail. |
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| 00:42.58 | JordiGH | Bladesman: Just use dd, let your friend piece it together with a humble cat. |
| 00:43.01 | karsten | Bladesman: Feh: gzip + cat is the best IMO. |
| 00:43.15 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: I'd actually just use ext2 or similar, and then set the permissions appropriately so it can be read by anyone |
| 00:43.16 | karsten | Bladesman: ... or just set up a publicly accessibly download and post the URL. |
| 00:43.57 | karsten | Bladesman: I'm not sure how you'd recombine a split file on windows. Um, 'gzip' + split + cat was what I'd meant to say. |
| 00:44.03 | Bladesman | Problem is that we're both blind, and most of the stuff isn't accessible. Our screen readers won't read the programs. |
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| 00:44.37 | Akuw | nothing |
| 00:44.53 | karsten | Bladesman: I think the 'type' command in DOS will recombine a list of files similar to cat. And as for the disability -- sorry, not sure what's going to work for you. |
| 00:45.24 | dondelelcaro | Bladesman: you can also use one of the free file hosting thingies |
| 00:45.39 | Bladesman | #^&$!$&*$%^& |
| 00:45.44 | Bladesman | lol |
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| 00:46.16 | dondelelcaro | (though some of those are captcha protected, so may not be terribly useful) |
| 00:46.37 | Piper69 | abrotman: you in a mode to help me with my network |
| 00:46.46 | abrotman | a mode? |
| 00:46.52 | amphi | Bladesman: on windows, IIRC (it's been a while), 'copy /b part.1 part.2 part.3 newfile' should work, I think, for a file split with split(1) |
| 00:47.06 | Piper69 | err *mood |
| 00:47.06 | dmoerner | Bladesman: make a fake debian package out of it with the files in the .orig.tar.gz and then upload it to launchpad. then download it and untar the .orig.tar.gz. :) |
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| 00:47.14 | dmoerner | make launchpad good for something |
| 00:47.21 | Piper69 | sorry too much coffee |
| 00:47.31 | Bladesman | can't even do the web via lynx or links2. I only have access to Linux. The screen reader for Windows is $950. |
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| 00:47.42 | meoblast001 | hi |
| 00:47.52 | meoblast001 | does Debian have a stable version of Kdenlive |
| 00:47.55 | amphi | Bladesman: what about w3m? |
| 00:48.05 | Bladesman | Thanks, guys. |
| 00:48.09 | meoblast001 | im thinking about using the Debian version although i have Ubuntu because the Ubuntu version cant go 20 seconds without crashing |
| 00:48.23 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, how can the permissions work if it is plugged in randomly with a usb encloser? |
| 00:48.38 | JordiGH | Bladesman: what's wrong with split and cat? |
| 00:48.48 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: if you've got them set to be +r by all, it'll work regardless |
| 00:48.57 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, fstab alteration won't work if it is not the same device each time it is plugged in. |
| 00:49.02 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, ah, got it |
| 00:49.11 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: and you use udev rules to make ti be the same device |
| 00:49.22 | dondelelcaro | (at least, that's what I recommend) |
| 00:49.28 | JordiGH | !ping |
| 00:49.29 | dpkg | pong |
| 00:50.20 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, hmm,never set udev rules before - I need to do some manpaging |
| 00:51.56 | dondelelcaro | !udev rules |
| 00:51.57 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html, or or read it online at http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 00:52.08 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: the documentation above will help you out; feel free to ask here if you get stuck |
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| 00:55.51 | sonnie | hi,I have a PPP question: can I have multi-users in /etc/ppp/chap-secrets with different IP address ranges? |
| 00:55.57 | p1ngp0ng | what do i install to get a calculator in xfce4? |
| 00:56.06 | sonnie | such as 10.0.0.1-10, 10.0.0.100-200 |
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| 00:57.14 | octoserver | when i am at ttyl, and i do aptitude --help lets say, how can i get it to show stuff one page at a time ? |
| 00:59.08 | quitte | octoserver: pipe it into more, less or some similar program |
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| 00:59.43 | octoserver | oh, cool |
| 00:59.59 | abrotman | p1ngp0ng: apt-cache search calculator |
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| 01:00.20 | octoserver | what packages do i need to compile a kernel module, i am missing the kernel source and some others for the new kernel upgrade i just got |
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| 01:00.35 | p1ngp0ng | abrotman: that gives me alot of things |
| 01:00.43 | abrotman | so .. look at them |
| 01:01.21 | p1ngp0ng | i was kinda hoping for a quick and dirty answear thi |
| 01:01.22 | p1ngp0ng | tho* |
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| 01:01.34 | quitte | octoserver: build-essential and the headers for your kernel |
| 01:01.45 | octoserver | i found linux headers 2.6.26.1 amd64 and common |
| 01:02.26 | octoserver | and linux-kbuild |
| 01:02.40 | octoserver | are those the only three ? |
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| 01:03.08 | abrotman | p1ngp0ng: so you want us to spoon feed you every answer? |
| 01:03.12 | Xenguy | p1ngp0ng: you want a calculator, or ... ? (just /join'd) |
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| 01:03.41 | octoserver | thank God for the nv driver lol |
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| 01:04.23 | abrotman | Xenguy: he knows how to find one |
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| 01:04.43 | dudeman | hey |
| 01:04.44 | dudeman | what sup guys |
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| 01:06.15 | octoserver | i should install linux-patch-debian-2.6.26 also i am guessing ? |
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| 01:06.46 | quitte | octoserver: no. not if you are just building modules for the debian binary kernel |
| 01:06.54 | Led_Zeppelin | can someone please recommend a good archive filesystem with fuse? |
| 01:06.57 | dondelelcaro | octoserver: what module are you trying to build? |
| 01:07.32 | octoserver | oh ok |
| 01:07.36 | octoserver | just nvidia |
| 01:07.42 | quitte | hehehe |
| 01:07.53 | quitte | octoserver: you should have asked that in the first place |
| 01:08.04 | Agent_bob | i would like to disable the scroll wheel on this keyboard to stop ->> [#debian] atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0x8b on isa0060/ <<- from spamming my console every time i touch the wheel, does anyone know howto ? |
| 01:08.13 | quitte | dondelelcaro: i forgot the dpkg topic |
| 01:08.44 | dondelelcaro | !tell octoserver -about nvidia |
| 01:08.54 | Akuw | what can i do |
| 01:09.02 | dondelelcaro | octoserver: see what dpkg told you, and follow those instructions |
| 01:09.04 | Akuw | delete apache2 and php and reinstall? |
| 01:09.15 | dondelelcaro | Akuw: what's your question/issue again? |
| 01:09.29 | dondelelcaro | !printk |
| 01:09.30 | dpkg | printk is, like, see docs for sysctl and adjust /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk (3 4 1 7 or so). You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. See linux/Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt or man 5 proc /printk for meaning of the numbers (console_loglevel, default_message_loglevel, minimum_console_level, default_console_loglevel) |
| 01:09.35 | Akuw | i can run php scripts |
| 01:09.43 | Akuw | the browser ask to save it |
| 01:10.00 | quitte | Akuw: did you restart apache after installing php? |
| 01:10.05 | dondelelcaro | !php wants me to download still |
| 01:10.05 | dpkg | Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verified that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload (Apache 1.x). |
| 01:10.11 | dondelelcaro | Akuw: follow the instructions above. |
| 01:11.12 | dondelelcaro | Agent_bob: see above on how to disable the console printing; you can totally disable it by doing sudo sh -c "echo '0 0 0 0' > /proc/sys/printk" or similar |
| 01:12.03 | octoserver | i like how everythign you need to compile the kernel or modules is listed starting with linux. It makes it easy to search for it all |
| 01:12.23 | Akuw | i did all |
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| 01:12.34 | Akuw | clear cache and restart apache |
| 01:13.40 | Agent_bob | dondelelcaro i would prefer to disable the key(wheel) than the messages. i might want to see other messages some time. |
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| 01:16.52 | Led_Zeppelin | I am trying to find a filesystem that I can use with fuse. I have many files and I would like to tar.gz them and use fuse to mount up that file. Can someone recommend something for me? TIA |
| 01:17.22 | jester__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.34 | quitte | Agent_bob: maybe googling for how to make ue of the wheel will get you more information than searching for how to disable it |
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| 01:18.11 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: did you check the fuse website? they have FS listed by section |
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| 01:18.39 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman, I did. But I am not sure whats stable or established. I want something established. btw hello abrotman |
| 01:18.47 | Akuw | ok, when i install php5 using synaptic this are the dependencies --> libapache2-mod-php5 php5-common |
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| 01:19.23 | jester__ | Akuw, yes that is a true statement |
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| 01:19.49 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: there aren't that many compressed filesystems |
| 01:20.06 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman, yeah :-(. |
| 01:20.07 | Akuw | ready |
| 01:20.11 | Akuw | good |
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| 01:20.31 | Akuw | the problem was, i installed apache and later php4 |
| 01:20.41 | Akuw | but never works |
| 01:20.44 | Agent_bob | quitte yeah reverse engineering how to use it is probably the best aproach thanks for the heads up. |
| 01:20.57 | Akuw | so i installed php, but there was common-php4 |
| 01:23.02 | quitte | Akuw: php4 is not maintained by upstream anymore. but iirc php4 and 5 conflict anyways |
| 01:23.35 | abrotman | php4 is still in etch IIRC |
| 01:24.07 | quitte | yes it is. |
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| 01:26.25 | Akuw | ok |
| 01:26.26 | Akuw | thanks |
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| 01:27.01 | Agent_bob | dondelelcaro i also get an error trying to use that command... -cracker jack smack, an error has occured: /proc/sys/printk: No such file or directory |
| 01:27.07 | scgtrp | ok, i got ndiswrapper installed finally. i fed it my driver, ndiswrapper -l shows it, but it's not in ifconfig or iwconfig. is there something else i have to do? |
| 01:27.30 | dondelelcaro | Agent_bob: err, it's /proc/sys/kernel/printk |
| 01:27.44 | quitte | scgtrp: did you see that i pointed you at a free driver? |
| 01:27.57 | scgtrp | quitte: you did? when? |
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| 01:28.12 | scgtrp | must have missed it |
| 01:28.17 | quitte | scgtrp: http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Main_Page |
| 01:28.31 | quitte | yours seems to be a 8187 |
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| 01:28.50 | Agent_bob | dondelelcaro k that works i'll keep looking for a way to disable the wheel, as this work around is a temp fix. |
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| 01:30.06 | dudeman | enouf, ping |
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| 01:31.17 | scgtrp | quitte: this is only available from svn? no .deb/module-assistant thing? |
| 01:31.22 | Drako_m | Anyone using a blackberry as a modem? |
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| 01:34.57 | scgtrp | quitte: not compiling... |
| 01:34.59 | scgtrp | /root/rtl-wifi/ieee80211/ieee80211_rx.c: In function Ă¢Â–Â ieee80211_monitor_rxĂ¢Â–Â : |
| 01:34.59 | scgtrp | /root/rtl-wifi/ieee80211/ieee80211_rx.c:65: error: Ă¢Â–Â struct sk_buffĂ¢Â–Â has no member named Ă¢Â–Â macĂ¢Â–Â |
| 01:35.53 | quitte | scgtrp: i'll give it a quick try myself |
| 01:37.56 | quitte | scgtrp: rtl8187-newstack built without any problems |
| 01:38.11 | quitte | well some warnings |
| 01:38.17 | scgtrp | what kernel version are you running? would it work to send that module to me? |
| 01:38.34 | scgtrp | uhh, wait a second |
| 01:39.09 | scgtrp | yeah... not building even if i make -C into that dir |
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| 01:39.42 | quitte | scgtrp: 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 01:40.33 | scgtrp | ah, 64bit. i'm running 32 here |
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| 01:42.39 | scgtrp | quitte: any idea what i should try next? |
| 01:42.54 | quitte | scgtrp: the whole thing builds without any problems for me. what kernel version are you running? |
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| 01:43.18 | scgtrp | quitte: Linux mike2 2.6.26-1-486 #1 Thu Aug 28 11:14:57 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 01:44.56 | quitte | scgtrp: do you have build essentials and the correct kernel headers installed? also why are you running a 486kernel? |
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| 01:45.27 | scgtrp | quitte: no idea, it was the default one |
| 01:45.38 | scgtrp | and yes, i have those installed, i needed them to build ndiswrapper |
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| 01:46.26 | Agent_bob | you run make as root ? i'm i the only one that thinks that's a bad idea ? |
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| 01:46.42 | scgtrp | Agent_bob: for kernel modules, yes |
| 01:46.45 | quitte | Agent_bob: I run make as root. I also think it's a bad idea |
| 01:47.01 | Orbixx | The downside to being human. |
| 01:47.04 | Orbixx | Is laziness. |
| 01:47.07 | Orbixx | Hence running make as root. |
| 01:48.05 | Agent_bob | doesn't even have a root account, |
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| 01:49.04 | quitte | scgtrp: uhm. it seems the module already made it into 2.6.26 |
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| 01:49.58 | quitte | scgtrp: dosn't some rtl818* module get loaded when you plug the stick in? |
| 01:50.10 | scgtrp | quitte: hm, yeah. i have it. modprobing it gives me no new net devices though |
| 01:50.12 | scgtrp | and no |
| 01:50.30 | quitte | scgtrp: any information in dmesg? |
| 01:51.03 | scgtrp | quitte: yeah, it says a usb device was plugged in |
| 01:51.16 | scgtrp | not going to paste it here, about 10 lines of debug info |
| 01:51.23 | scgtrp | but yeah, the kernel is seeing it |
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| 01:51.50 | scgtrp | quitte: is there another step after loading the module that i'm forgetting? |
| 01:51.56 | keith4_ | wtf? two days ago zoneminder was in lenny. [security] perhaps, but lenny nonetheless. now it's gone? |
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| 01:52.15 | scgtrp | also, when i do load the module manually: [ 2500.521074] usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl8187 |
| 01:53.24 | scgtrp | and it's in lsusb |
| 01:53.36 | scgtrp | but not ifconfig -a or iwconfig |
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| 01:54.31 | abrotman | keith4_: http://packages.qa.debian.org/z/zoneminder/news/20080615T223958Z.html |
| 01:54.38 | abrotman | keith4_: http://packages.qa.debian.org/z/zoneminder.html |
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| 01:55.46 | keith4_ | abrotman: booooo |
| 01:55.50 | quitte | scgtrp: some hints for ndiswrapper:http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:WG111v3 |
| 01:55.50 | keith4_ | sighs |
| 01:56.08 | scgtrp | quitte: i've given up on ndiswrapper, rather use the real driver now that i know it exists |
| 01:56.11 | abrotman | keith4_: fix it! |
| 01:56.52 | quitte | scgtrp: only problem is that people on the internet seem to be confused about what chipset that thing uses |
| 01:57.05 | quitte | scgtrp: if you opeed it... ;) |
| 01:57.07 | keith4_ | abrotman: looks like it has some serious bugs, actually |
| 01:57.19 | keith4_ | i *swear* it was in testing like 2 days ago, though |
| 01:57.26 | keith4_ | i remember talking to you about it |
| 01:57.34 | scgtrp | quitte: mind if i pm you? |
| 01:57.47 | quitte | scgtrp: sure |
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| 01:59.05 | abrotman | keith4_: oh well |
| 01:59.25 | Creeture | Hey all. I have a machine running etch. Whomever installed it included all of the desktop stuff. It's a server. Is there a metapackage I can remove that'll get all of that off? |
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| 02:00.12 | dondelelcaro | Creeture: you can start by using aptitude and marking everything that's in the desktop task as automatically installed |
| 02:00.54 | Creeture | I never did learn to use aptitude. Guess I'll go take a look. |
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| 02:01.03 | stew | "aptitude unmarkauto $(tasksel --task-packages desktop)" |
| 02:01.03 | dudeman | aptitude is amazing |
| 02:01.19 | Agiofws | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUv6IukojLc |
| 02:01.24 | Creeture | I use it in place of apt-get, but I tend to shy away from anything menu driven. |
| 02:01.36 | dudeman | aptitude isn't only menu driver... |
| 02:02.00 | stew | oh, he wants markauto, not unmarkauto |
| 02:02.22 | dondelelcaro | there are things that are easier to do in curses interfaces |
| 02:02.35 | dondelelcaro | and one of them is complicated package management tasks |
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| 02:03.01 | Creeture | dondelelcaro: Very few in my opinion. :) Give me greps and seds and awks with a hundred pipes over a curses interface. |
| 02:03.22 | Agent_bob | dondelelcaro there are things that are harder to do too... like tolerate the curses interface long enough to get the job done... |
| 02:03.33 | jhamlin | On a fresh etch install I'm getting no sound. Where is the first place I should check?? |
| 02:03.47 | abrotman | !tell jhamlin about alsa checklist |
| 02:03.51 | squiddy | hi, if i want to install debian on my machine, should i download all dvd ISO's ? 4 dvd ISO's |
| 02:03.54 | jhamlin | abrotman: ah thanks |
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| 02:04.05 | abrotman | squiddy: have broadband ? |
| 02:04.06 | keith4_ | .. can I backport a package to lenny? |
| 02:04.16 | squiddy | abrotman: yes |
| 02:04.17 | Creeture | stew: You got me on the right track. With some man pages I'm off to the races. |
| 02:04.25 | abrotman | squiddy: usually easier/better to just get the netinst |
| 02:05.00 | dondelelcaro | Creeture: you can do everything using the command line, it's just more difficult. Try installing 20 packages with an explicit version using the command line and compare it to the time it takes to resolve the same problem using the curses interface |
| 02:05.12 | dondelelcaro | s/just/sometimes &/ |
| 02:05.36 | squiddy | abrotman, i see.. but what i mean is, for ofline installation, is it necessary to have all 4 dvd ISO's ? |
| 02:05.58 | abrotman | squiddy: for offline .. depends what you want .. 4 DVDs would be all packages .. you may not need all of those |
| 02:06.14 | abrotman | !tell squiddy about cd contents |
| 02:06.18 | dondelelcaro | In the end, it's an interface, and a tool. Use it when it makes sense. Don't when it doesn't. Irrational preferences can get in the way. |
| 02:06.38 | abrotman | know when to hold 'em .. know when to fold 'em |
| 02:06.57 | Agent_bob | walks away from that... |
| 02:07.10 | \amethyst | /me runs |
| 02:07.17 | squiddy | abrotman, oh got it.. thanks :) |
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| 02:08.30 | Creeture | easiest way to tell what task a package is in? |
| 02:08.45 | Penol | How to download everything from a FTP to /home/range/files |
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| 02:09.24 | Akuw | how can i configure my desktop to use a proxy |
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| 02:09.35 | abrotman | Penol: mget * |
| 02:09.49 | Penol | abrotman: mget * /home/range/files ? |
| 02:09.49 | dondelelcaro | or mirror in lftp; depends on what you're doing |
| 02:10.15 | Creeture | Penol: wget -m ftp://user:passwd@server/home/range/files |
| 02:10.17 | dondelelcaro | FE: mirror . /home/range/files/.; |
| 02:10.25 | dondelelcaro | don't use wget with a password like that |
| 02:10.40 | dondelelcaro | (though it's probably no less secure than using ftp in general) |
| 02:10.46 | Creeture | Bah. On a desktop, who cares? |
| 02:11.37 | dondelelcaro | bad habits have long lives |
| 02:11.54 | jhamlin | What is the best package manager to use? I'm using aptitude now. Are there disadvantages to graphical package management? |
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| 02:12.07 | Penol | wget -m ftp://user:passwd@192.168.1.2 /home/range/files |
| 02:12.09 | Penol | ?` |
| 02:12.31 | dondelelcaro | jhamlin: I personally recommend aptitude, but you can conceivably use synaptic, apt-get, or dselect |
| 02:14.57 | Creeture | Ahhh... no more gnome |
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| 02:15.22 | Agent_bob | or adept (kde) |
| 02:17.05 | TheViral | I have an Intel Core 2 Quad "YorkField" 45nm processor coming in, which debian do I use? Should I be using i386 or AMD64 or Ia64? |
| 02:17.20 | Creeture | IA64 is not for you. |
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| 02:17.38 | Creeture | TheViral: What do you intend to use the machine for? |
| 02:17.46 | keith4_ | ia64 = itanium |
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| 02:17.57 | TheViral | I use linux for every day stuff, windows for games |
| 02:18.09 | TheViral | linux for programming/casual use/graphics |
| 02:18.35 | TheViral | 8GB of ram also |
| 02:18.36 | Creeture | Just go with the i386 then. Unless you really have a need for more than about 3.5GB of RAM. |
| 02:18.55 | TheViral | well I am going to have 8GB in here so if possible it would be nice to use haha |
| 02:19.11 | Creeture | For casual use? Waste of money. :) |
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| 02:19.32 | TheViral | :P gaming on vista, need all the memory I can get haha |
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| 02:19.42 | TheViral | the processor is 64 bit |
| 02:19.56 | keith4_ | you can just use a bigmem kernel |
| 02:20.15 | TheViral | how would I go about doing that? is there somewhere I can read about that |
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| 02:20.38 | Creeture | Oh, dual boot machine then? Still, just use the i386. Less problematic. The x86_64 developers hate it when I say that, but even with the quality of the wrappers, there are too many non-64 bit apps out there. Get i386 and use a bigmem kernel (if you really need the 8GB for casual use). |
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| 02:21.09 | keith4_ | TheViral: start with the stock kernel. once you have everything set up the way you want it, you can worry about the bigmem kernel |
| 02:21.56 | TheViral | ok, so start with i386 then? |
| 02:22.14 | abrotman | or he could use the -amd64 kernel with a 32bit userland |
| 02:22.45 | Creeture | TheViral: Yeah, start with i386. If you really need the bigmem kernel, install it later. Note that you'll take about a 4-6% performance hit (depends on who you ask). |
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| 02:22.51 | TheViral | I've been using virtual box for vista but I won't be needing that anymore, maybe to tinker with other OS's |
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| 02:23.13 | TheViral | had memory problems with 1.5Gb doing that :p |
| 02:23.16 | TheViral | alright, 4-6%, that's not much hehe |
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| 02:23.32 | Agent_bob | why is xorg not modular in etch ? |
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| 02:23.58 | TheViral | so using i386, what will happen with my quad core? |
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| 02:24.14 | Creeture | TheViral: It'll work like a champ. |
| 02:24.14 | TheViral | will it use all four or just one or what? |
| 02:24.19 | TheViral | haha |
| 02:24.23 | abrotman | TheViral: you'll need -686 or -amd64 |
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| 02:24.54 | scgtrp | what creates new network interfaces when a new card is found? |
| 02:24.59 | Creeture | SMP and i386/x86_64 aren't the same thing. |
| 02:25.00 | abrotman | udev |
| 02:25.09 | abrotman | Creeture: what? |
| 02:25.17 | Lagbolt | TheViral, i use -686 with my quadcore :) works great |
| 02:25.25 | Creeture | when? |
| 02:25.40 | Lagbolt | when? |
| 02:25.43 | Lagbolt | right now |
| 02:25.46 | Agent_bob | who? |
| 02:25.50 | Creeture | why? |
| 02:26.14 | TheViral | because |
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| 02:26.38 | TheViral | by -686 you mean like 2.6.26-1-686? |
| 02:26.40 | Agent_bob | TheViral obviously doesn't know how to play |
| 02:26.55 | TheViral | no idea what you guys are doing haha |
| 02:27.03 | Creeture | where? |
| 02:27.22 | scgtrp | how do i make udev reload its rules without a reboot? |
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| 02:27.49 | Agent_bob | scgtrp try ifupdown |
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| 02:27.54 | simonrvn | abrotman: heads up, in /msg |
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| 02:28.26 | Creeture | scgtrp: /etc/init.d/udev reload |
| 02:29.02 | simonrvn | WhitePower88: hey dumbass, go screw your boyfriend |
| 02:29.04 | Agent_bob | i think he's just wanting to bring another nic on line |
| 02:29.11 | scgtrp | Agent_bob: hm? |
| 02:29.31 | scgtrp | i'm trying to figure out why my wireless adapter won't create an interface for itself |
| 02:29.34 | Agent_bob | scgtrp you are just trying to bring a nic online ? |
| 02:30.00 | Agent_bob | yeah. ok wireless then... well i'll backup and let that alone. |
| 02:30.01 | scgtrp | i get usb events when i plug/unplug it, but there's no wlan* in ifconfig -a or iwconfig |
| 02:30.06 | TheViral | if I am mainly just using gimp, iceweasel 3.0, gnome, compiz, aMSN, amarok, will 64 bit be ok? |
| 02:30.11 | scgtrp | me too, until tomorrow. goodnight |
| 02:30.57 | Creeture | TheViral: With iceweasel, some of the plugins are sticky with 64 bit. Most are ok, some are not. |
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| 02:31.30 | TheViral | I'm finding my plugins are breaking on my 32 bit anyways haha |
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| 02:32.10 | TheViral | the important ones are flash and adblock |
| 02:32.50 | simonrvn | adblock plus ftw :) |
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| 02:33.08 | Creeture | flash kinda works-ish. It's one of the supposed-to-work-but-is-flaky-as-hell plugins. Mostly Adobe's fault though. |
| 02:33.46 | Agent_bob | adblock ? for like popup thingys ? |
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| 02:34.14 | dudeman | simonrvn, ping |
| 02:34.22 | simonrvn | no, blocking ads |
| 02:34.41 | n3kl | I have a slow box with two sata. Smarter to do raid or just lvm the disks together for a single volume? |
| 02:35.27 | Agent_bob | wonders where the ads are ??? i don't think elinks sees them |
| 02:35.39 | Agent_bob | w3m either |
| 02:35.52 | Creeture | Agent_bob: I only use elinks when I'm surfing pr0n at work. |
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| 02:36.47 | mikef | Hello, may I have some help please? |
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| 02:37.16 | dmoerner | mikef: if you tell us your question we would love to help |
| 02:37.48 | mikef | Okay, well I'm trying to install irc-hybrid, but I'm running into some apt issues. |
| 02:38.10 | dmoerner | mikef: like what? please pastebin the error if there is one |
| 02:38.18 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell mikef -about pastebin |
| 02:38.19 | cgibin | damm stupid computer so hot its like i m setting next to the fucki heater |
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| 02:38.51 | mikef | http://paste.stirk.org/36449 |
| 02:39.11 | Agent_bob | i noticed that IRC has redefined the word "question" |
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| 02:39.31 | mikef | How so Agent_bob? |
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| 02:40.02 | ech0dish | Ă¯Â»Â¿I am having an irq conflict when I boot up, conflict is between ndiswrapper and something else that i am not sure of. i have blacklisted f32 and ssb and had ndiswrapper added to modules but now it is conflicting. is there any way i can add ndiswrapper to auto launch after i log into my gui? |
| 02:40.41 | ech0dish | it keeps me from booting up all together, had to disable the wifi adapter in the bios to get in |
| 02:41.03 | mikef | Can somebody help me? )): |
| 02:41.21 | ech0dish | whats up mikef? |
| 02:41.25 | ech0dish | i'll try |
| 02:41.30 | ech0dish | but can't guarantee anything lol |
| 02:41.36 | dmoerner | mikef: dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 02:41.53 | ech0dish | i think i need to figure out how to use "cron" |
| 02:42.07 | dmoerner | ech0dish: man 1 crontab |
| 02:42.09 | mikef | dmoerner? |
| 02:42.19 | dmoerner | mikef: try dpkg-reconfigure locales and select your locale |
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| 02:42.49 | Creeture | mumbles something about choosing C and multibyte characters |
| 02:43.27 | mikef | http://paste.stirk.org/36450 |
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| 02:43.50 | ech0dish | is it possible to use cron to add only a single command on login? |
| 02:43.51 | Agent_bob | LC_ALL=C aptitude install ircd-hybrid |
| 02:43.58 | Agent_bob | mikef ^ |
| 02:44.20 | dmoerner | mikef: follow the directions of that error message then. aptitude install locales |
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| 02:44.43 | Agent_bob | or that |
| 02:45.10 | mikef | http://paste.stirk.org/36451 |
| 02:45.12 | EagleSn | hello |
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| 02:47.18 | mikef | This is after aptitude install locales: http://paste.stirk.org/36452 |
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| 02:47.53 | Agent_bob | looks like a broken package to me. |
| 02:48.04 | dmoerner | mikef: mikef try dpkg-reconfigure locales and set it to use UTF-8. this is independent of your ircd-hybrid problem btw |
| 02:48.17 | Creeture | It's not a locale problem, that's just perl being annoying. The package postinstall is broken. |
| 02:48.19 | binaryhermit | Agent_bob: that's what she said |
| 02:48.39 | mikef | woah |
| 02:48.45 | EagleSn | try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:48.46 | mikef | what do I do? o.O |
| 02:49.18 | mikef | EagleSn, blue screen came up. |
| 02:49.29 | EagleSn | choose your locale |
| 02:49.35 | dmoerner | mikef: yes. that is dialog. it is trying to be helpful by giving you a pretty gui. |
| 02:49.36 | mikef | Idk which one to chose. |
| 02:49.46 | mikef | there are lots of UTF 8s/ |
| 02:49.50 | EagleSn | for instance i live in Spain, then i would choose es_ES-UTF-8 |
| 02:49.56 | dmoerner | mikef: en_US UTF-8 if you are in the us and speak english |
| 02:50.13 | EagleSn | if i'd live in London, i'd choose en_GB-UTF-8 |
| 02:50.34 | Creeture | I'd choose C |
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| 02:51.17 | amphi | Creeture: for LC_COLLATE, certainly ;) |
| 02:51.42 | mikef | how do I select it? |
| 02:52.00 | mikef | eh..i acidently closed it out I think :\ |
| 02:52.03 | Creeture | amphi: I use PuTTY for SSH. Can't read a stinking man page if it's not set to C and you're not using a 2-byte font. |
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| 02:52.23 | amphi | Creeture: ah |
| 02:53.04 | mikef | Help me please? |
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| 02:53.29 | magyar | anyone using courier-pop3? |
| 02:53.44 | keith4_ | pop? ew |
| 02:53.52 | magyar | why? |
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| 02:54.12 | mikef | help me please )): |
| 02:54.20 | dmoerner | mikef: press enter |
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| 02:54.46 | dmoerner | mikef: sorry "space" |
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| 02:55.24 | Agent_bob | mikef as i said that package "ircd-hybrid" looks like it's "buss'ed up sum" try an alternative version/application/mirror |
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| 02:55.53 | mikef | Agent_bob, apt-get install irc-hybrid :X |
| 02:56.04 | Agent_bob | or fix the pre-instalation script your self. |
| 02:56.50 | mikef | sighs |
| 02:57.11 | mikef | still atempting to get the blue screen back. |
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| 02:57.28 | mikef | *suspects packet loss again* such horrible lag |
| 02:57.31 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 02:57.32 | mikef | >.> |
| 02:59.11 | mikef | http://paste.stirk.org/36454 :X |
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| 03:01.31 | keith4_ | jeez |
| 03:01.42 | mikef | http://paste.stirk.org/36455 |
| 03:02.38 | dmoerner | mikef: it might be more helpful if you read what debhelper told you and then considered the likely answer |
| 03:03.42 | mikef | dmoerner? |
| 03:03.59 | mikef | debhelper never told me again? |
| 03:04.21 | dmoerner | mikef: it is telling you to set the default. it already told you NONE gave errors, so you set it to UTF-8 |
| 03:04.44 | Creeture | You guys ever seen the commercials for FinallyFast.com? They show lots of machines blue screening Windows. Every one of the machines is a Mac of some sort. |
| 03:04.57 | mikef | dmoerner, I already clicked that a long time ago?? |
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| 03:05.14 | mikef | U got errors acter that, check the next pastebin. |
| 03:05.46 | deadcat | any changes in nfs lately? i cant seem to ls a mounted remote dir owned by deadcat (i am deadcat on the local machine as well) |
| 03:05.58 | jpinx | what's the command to see my routers IPs and DNS settings? I don't have the login for the router:( |
| 03:06.11 | Creeture | jpinx: You're out of luck then. |
| 03:06.33 | mikef | Help me please? )): |
| 03:06.41 | simonrvn | dmoerner: debhelper? |
| 03:06.57 | Creeture | mikef: Try installing something other than ircd-hybrid. It doesn't work. |
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| 03:07.44 | karsten | jpinx: SOL. |
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| 03:08.01 | jpinx | SOL ? |
| 03:08.12 | karsten | jpinx: If it's a typical hardware router, it should have a reset button which usually goes to admin/admin. Read your docs. |
| 03:08.18 | karsten | jpinx: Sh*t out of luck. |
| 03:08.24 | mikef | Creeture, it does too..i had it installed just fine a week ago, but i acidently uninstalled it. |
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| 03:08.31 | jpinx | karsten: ok thanks |
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| 03:09.00 | Creeture | mikef: Then what happened is you have a config file stuck somewhere. dpkg -L ircd-hybrid and pastebin it |
| 03:09.00 | karsten | jpinx: Sorry, US slang. |
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| 03:10.28 | Creeture | It's funny that ircd-hybrid is described as a "secure IRC server". Isn't that an oxymoron? |
| 03:10.52 | mikef | http://paste.stirk.org/36457 |
| 03:12.13 | Creeture | mikef: do you need any of those config files? |
| 03:12.48 | Agent_bob | no an oxymoron would be someone that uses it as root, that's just a contridiction in terms. |
| 03:12.48 | Agent_bob | :))) |
| 03:13.01 | mikef | I don't need anything, I want to start 100% fresh please. |
| 03:13.05 | Creeture | Agent_bob: touche. |
| 03:13.49 | Creeture | mikef: dpkg --purge ircd-hybrid |
| 03:14.01 | Creeture | mikef: then: LANG=C aptitude install ircd-hybrid |
| 03:14.36 | Agent_bob | i still think his package in cache is borked, |
| 03:15.09 | Creeture | Agent_bob: I think the postinstall script is borking on one of the existing config files or some silly unhandled error. |
| 03:16.15 | mikef | Eh |
| 03:16.21 | mikef | http://paste.stirk.org/36458 |
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| 03:17.27 | Creeture | mikef: It's gone now. Did you try to reinstall? Did you apt-get update first? |
| 03:17.43 | mikef | no |
| 03:17.44 | mikef | and no |
| 03:17.47 | Agent_bob | did you aptitude clean ? |
| 03:17.53 | mikef | no |
| 03:18.04 | mikef | which do i do first? |
| 03:18.14 | Agent_bob | do your ears hang low ??? |
| 03:18.16 | mikef | aptitude clean? |
| 03:18.26 | mikef | do yours??? |
| 03:18.27 | Creeture | aptitude update ; aptitude clean ; aptitude install ircd-hybrid |
| 03:18.58 | Agent_bob | LC_ALL=C ;aptitude update ; aptitude clean ; aptitude install ircd-hybrid |
| 03:19.00 | Agent_bob | even. |
| 03:19.16 | Agent_bob | i don't like the perl warnings |
| 03:19.48 | mikef | http://paste.stirk.org/36459 |
| 03:19.54 | mikef | o |
| 03:20.05 | mikef | I did that Creeture said Agent_bob. |
| 03:20.25 | Agent_bob | so it worked that time. |
| 03:20.26 | Creeture | It worked. You're running. |
| 03:20.31 | Agent_bob | are you happy now ? |
| 03:20.33 | mikef | o? |
| 03:20.37 | mikef | :O!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 03:20.41 | mikef | :DD |
| 03:20.52 | Creeture | d00d, read the last line. It says that it started the server |
| 03:21.15 | mikef | i know but it had loads of errors :X |
| 03:21.26 | Agent_bob | mikef you can set LC_ALL=C in /etc/environment and not see those perl warnings anymore. |
| 03:21.30 | Creeture | No, those are warnings. They're irritating, but they're just warnings. |
| 03:22.00 | Agent_bob | mikef warning != error error = error warning = warning |
| 03:22.06 | mikef | now I can apt-get install hybserv " IRC services for IRCD-Hybrid"? |
| 03:24.47 | mikef | Eh..Cant find the config file to edit :X |
| 03:25.09 | Agent_bob | was listed in your pastebins |
| 03:26.23 | mikef | No it wasnt. |
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| 03:27.27 | mikef | Agent_bob, I don't see it in any of them. |
| 03:27.41 | Creeture | 23:10 < mikef> http://paste.stirk.org/36457 |
| 03:27.52 | Agent_bob | 'scuse me. the one from dpkg -L ! |
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| 03:28.21 | Agent_bob | yeah like Creeture said ^ |
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| 03:30.30 | Creeture | I have to go to bed. Later kids. |
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| 03:32.29 | EagleSn | estoi con xchat ahora |
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| 03:35.19 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, is there a "debian" way to edit udev rules or just edit the files directly (I haven't been at this at all - spent time with my wife). |
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| 03:37.47 | nachos | when is perl 5.10.0 going to be available in apt? |
| 03:37.59 | Piper69 | if i am not on my linux box is there is a way i can access man page or aprops |
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| 03:39.21 | Rusty1 | Piper69: man <topic> in a google bar will usually yield something useful |
| 03:39.22 | xuser | nachos: is in lenny |
| 03:40.17 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: just add a new file in rules.d with the rules that you want to add |
| 03:40.42 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, thanks - I was guessing that. |
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| 03:49.59 | AAA | Piper69 type "man program" into google and you'll prolly find an html copy |
| 03:50.20 | Piper69 | AAA: thanks |
| 03:50.45 | AAA | Piper69 np |
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| 03:51.53 | dudeman | sudo mount -t cifs //laptop/stoned/public_html public_html/ -o username=stoned,password=blahblah <-- mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //laptop/stoned/public_html missing codepage or helper program, or other error |
| 03:52.06 | dudeman | uhm.. this command used to work right before I rebooted the system |
| 03:52.16 | dudeman | any ideas where I can start to troubleshoot this? |
| 03:52.48 | nachos | does xorg come in base? |
| 03:53.08 | dudeman | no, xorg is not in the base system |
| 03:54.15 | dudeman | smbclient -L laptop - Domain=[LAPTOP] OS=[Unix] Server=[Samba 3.2.3]stoned Disk Home Directories |
| 03:54.22 | mu532 | the base system is well under 150 mb... the netinst is the base plus the installer |
| 03:54.23 | dudeman | so it works, I just can't seem to mount it |
| 03:54.29 | dudeman | I can't figure this out!! |
| 03:55.05 | darkstego | can anyone help me with an nfs problem, I seem to be unable to get write permission on and nfs share after I updated the kernel on the client which doesn't make any sense. Can anyone help figure out what could be wrong? |
| 03:55.16 | mu532 | and netinstall is right around 150 mb |
| 03:56.07 | Agent_bob | base install about 180m no? |
| 03:56.37 | mu532 | it grew by 30 mb? |
| 03:56.42 | mu532 | in what, etch or lennyh? |
| 03:56.45 | Agent_bob | don't forget compression in the packages |
| 03:57.11 | Agent_bob | etch |
| 03:57.50 | mu532 | well I was considering them as compressed |
| 03:59.37 | mu532 | somewhat related... so debian-installer has hooks for gui install... does that mean you could put a vga x server in a udeb to enable graphical installs? |
| 04:00.34 | mu532 | has something like that been done? |
| 04:01.30 | nachos | is xorg in 'standard system' install task? |
| 04:01.47 | mu532 | probably not |
| 04:02.01 | mu532 | I thought x was in "optional" |
| 04:02.46 | nachos | wtf is this bullshit |
| 04:03.00 | nachos | i got 3 cd's and it keeps on downloading off the net |
| 04:03.23 | karsten | mu532: Desktop environment. |
| 04:03.33 | karsten | nachos: netinst FTW. It's a feature. |
| 04:04.09 | karsten | nachos: I forget how many CDs are in a full Debian install these days, but it's a lot more than 3. |
| 04:04.16 | karsten | !tell nachos about netinst |
| 04:04.17 | mu532 | nachos: probably you do have xorg on one of those cds |
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| 04:05.13 | dmoerner | 24 i think |
| 04:05.36 | mu532 | one for each active developer? :P |
| 04:05.45 | karsten | mu532: Shh! |
| 04:05.53 | dmoerner | mu532: not even close |
| 04:06.05 | karsten | mu532: Don't give them any ideas. That'd be about 2,000 disks though. |
| 04:06.09 | Agent_bob | ONE cd is the entire "desktop install" for etch the full repository is the large number of cd's tho |
| 04:06.15 | mu532 | oh, two for each active developer :) |
| 04:06.53 | karsten | notes that at 24 full 640MB CDs you'd need about 11,000 1.4 MB floppy disks. |
| 04:07.11 | mu532 | I don;'t have that many! |
| 04:07.17 | mu532 | winewinewine :) |
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| 04:07.46 | Agent_bob | karsten or one used many times.... |
| 04:07.47 | karsten | mu532: Well, I overstated slightly. 10,972, actually. |
| 04:07.51 | karsten | Agent_bob: Heh. |
| 04:08.27 | karsten | Agent_bob: I *have* done split files on floppy using the Potato 2.2 base.tgz image. |
| 04:08.31 | mu532 | karsten: someone estimated 24 cds earlier... note I said -active- developers :) |
| 04:08.46 | karsten | Agent_bob: That was about 14 or 15 transfers worth. |
| 04:09.06 | mu532 | and we won't necessarily define an active developer as one involved in a mailing list flame war :) |
| 04:09.09 | karsten | mu532: You're still low by an order or two of magnitude. |
| 04:09.20 | karsten | mu532: Feh. You take all the fun out of it. |
| 04:09.30 | Agent_bob | karsten i installed mdk9.0 on a lappy with three floppies and no network... |
| 04:09.30 | mu532 | I keed... I keed... I joke wis you... |
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| 04:11.34 | mu532 | do the gui hooks in debian-installer require x? or would a frame buffer do? |
| 04:11.50 | phuzion | Hey, I'm running a server, and attempting to compile a program, and I get the error "checking for mysql_config executable... not found |
| 04:11.50 | phuzion | " Is this somewhere within apt? |
| 04:11.59 | phuzion | Like, could I fix this problem with an apt-get\ |
| 04:12.35 | mu532 | phuzion: you would need to satisfy the build requirements of the program you're compiling |
| 04:13.43 | \amethyst | phuzion: apt-file search mysql_config shows that it's in libmysqlclient15-dev (as one might expect) |
| 04:15.04 | Agent_bob | can't aptitued do that ??? |
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| 04:16.59 | GomoX | Hey guys |
| 04:17.09 | mu532 | phuzion: you should think about postgres; it's as easy to learn and use as any db out there, and it has advanced features that allow you to define the ways a database can and cannot change, so you can make sure it stays healthy |
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| 04:17.41 | phuzion | mu532, I'm happy with MySQL |
| 04:17.48 | mu532 | at best, mysql is both behind and inconsistant in that regard |
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| 04:18.26 | GomoX | I have to confess i'm loving ubuntu but #ubuntu is miles below #debian in usefulness |
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| 04:19.11 | mu532 | you would think they would be more useful since they have separate channels per version |
| 04:19.29 | mu532 | #debian should do that |
| 04:19.36 | darkstego | I no longer have write permission to my nfs share, anyone have any advice? |
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| 04:19.56 | Lagbolt | darkstego, pastebin your exports? |
| 04:19.58 | mu532 | darkstego: stop trying to write on it! :) |
| 04:20.04 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 04:20.20 | Lagbolt | darkstego, by no longer . . . what did you change to make that happen |
| 04:20.43 | mu532 | undo the change you no longer want to be |
| 04:21.28 | darkstego | I updated the kernel on the client side |
| 04:21.38 | darkstego | acutally ran a dist-upgrade on client |
| 04:21.46 | darkstego | my export file http://pastebin.com/d5064788d |
| 04:21.56 | GomoX | in ubuntu for every user that can type `ls` in a shell there are 5 people asking where to install that .zip file that contains google chrome |
| 04:21.59 | darkstego | I am logging on from the machine alien |
| 04:22.01 | Lagbolt | darkstego, so no changes to the nfs server? did you check dmesg? |
| 04:22.40 | darkstego | yes, nothing on dmesg |
| 04:22.45 | Agent_bob | mu532 #ubuntu is too conjested to be very useful and the other #?*buntu* channels are mostly idlers most of the time. |
| 04:23.13 | GomoX | I wonder where did all the power users that migrated from debian to ubuntu go? |
| 04:23.15 | Lagbolt | darkstego, why dont you change it to something more generic. "/mnt/optimus (rw,sync)" just to test? you didnt change your hostname did you? |
| 04:23.21 | mu532 | so they have most people trying to get help with the current stable? |
| 04:23.26 | GomoX | Maybe they have #formerdebianite in irc.ubuntu.org or something |
| 04:23.44 | Agent_bob | GomoX is that a joke ? |
| 04:23.47 | darkstego | Lagbolt: no change to hostname |
| 04:24.13 | GomoX | Agent_bob: i don't know, i just i knew where they went |
| 04:24.18 | darkstego | I can access the share so I know at least part of the export is working |
| 04:24.25 | Agent_bob | mu532 no they have most people asking "where's my C:\" |
| 04:24.38 | Lagbolt | darkstego, can you reboot the client back to the older kern and test it |
| 04:25.03 | ApOgEE- | do u guys know any guide to recompile debian-arm kernel for ts-7260 SBC? |
| 04:25.41 | UD | if mr Ian's wife's name was Leslie instead of Debian, would the distro be called Lesbian? |
| 04:25.49 | UD | instead of Debbie |
| 04:25.51 | UD | i mean |
| 04:26.11 | Lagbolt | UD nice |
| 04:27.47 | darkstego | Lagbolt: with the generic (rw,sync) I still get the same problem |
| 04:28.07 | darkstego | I can try to downgrade the kernel, but I think I deleted the old kernel |
| 04:28.10 | Lagbolt | darkstego, can you boot the older kern? is that the only thing you updated? no other packages? |
| 04:28.25 | darkstego | dist-upgrade, I updated everything |
| 04:28.26 | Lagbolt | downgrade? you put new one on and got rid of old before everything worked? |
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| 04:28.37 | Lagbolt | oh everything eh |
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| 04:28.47 | Agent_bob | "where's my C:" may be indeed the most commonly asked question in #ubuntu but a close second might also be "where's the start menu" |
| 04:28.53 | Lagbolt | darkstego, what nfs version you have on server and what version on client |
| 04:29.00 | Legality | What are the biggest problems that might occur if I do a mysqldump and a my sever loses power during the process? |
| 04:29.45 | GomoX | Legality: some FS corruption at worse |
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| 04:30.00 | GomoX | Shouldn't be too bad with a current journaling fs |
| 04:30.01 | \amethyst | Legality: you'll have to dump again (and theoretically the filesystem ends up in an inconsistent state, but that could happen whenever it crashes while something is being written) |
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| 04:30.27 | \amethyst | your database will be fine, since mysqldump is reading it, not writing |
| 04:30.31 | Legality | ok |
| 04:30.34 | Legality | that's good |
| 04:30.36 | GomoX | UPS's are your friend |
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| 04:31.09 | Agent_bob | Legality data spewed accross hdd like 'bull crap accross an irc window' causing a reformat |
| 04:31.11 | Legality | yea, it's a bit different situation |
| 04:31.13 | darkstego | Lagbolt: server has 1.0.10-6+etch.1 |
| 04:31.27 | Legality | Agent_bob: that's what I suspected :> |
| 04:31.28 | Agent_bob | worse case ^ |
| 04:34.01 | Agent_bob | Legality fsck the disk could also be as small of an issue as first superblock corruption. easily recoverable by using a backup superblock |
| 04:34.46 | Legality | Agent_bob: don't give me bad mojo now, let me just wait and see |
| 04:35.45 | Agent_bob | so no mo mojo ? oh |
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| 04:37.28 | Piper69 | whats wrong with this setup please , this is my 2nd day on this and i can't figure what? |
| 04:37.33 | Piper69 | ^^http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd3/ribrahim/NAT_Setup2.jpg |
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| 04:38.10 | Legality | heh :> |
| 04:38.28 | Legality | my isp just did a full HW-change(except HDDs) in 7 minutes downtime |
| 04:38.39 | Legality | that's pretty fast |
| 04:39.07 | Piper69 | Legality: what you mean HW -change , which hardware? |
| 04:39.17 | Legality | everything |
| 04:39.28 | Legality | completely new box but they changed the old hdds in to it |
| 04:39.28 | x1938 | with a vps and openssh can you provide linux shell services ? |
| 04:39.33 | x1938 | is that all you need ? |
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| 04:39.58 | Legality | x1938: electricity + bandwidth |
| 04:40.01 | kgoetz | Legality: i can pull a server out of a rack in 7 minutes ... |
| 04:40.08 | Legality | :) |
| 04:40.14 | Piper69 | Legality: define HW? |
| 04:40.14 | Legality | yeah, they were super fast |
| 04:40.30 | x1938 | good |
| 04:40.54 | Legality | Piper69: motherboard, nic, mem, rack disk, fans, psu |
| 04:41.03 | x1938 | the accounts that openssh makes , are they real account for that linux box |
| 04:41.10 | x1938 | or can just access them over ssh ? |
| 04:41.16 | Legality | openssh makes? |
| 04:41.25 | x1938 | creates* |
| 04:41.37 | kgoetz | openssh doesnt create. it enables |
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| 04:41.41 | Piper69 | Legality: and what OS was on HDD? |
| 04:41.55 | Legality | in this one, centos 5.2 |
| 04:42.02 | x1938 | seems like i have thing mixed up :S |
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| 04:42.36 | Legality | Piper69: why all the questions? |
| 04:43.06 | x1938 | kgoetz : those accounts would be created by root and then enabled by openssh for access of ssh ? |
| 04:43.20 | x1938 | do you have to set the permissions of those users manualy ? |
| 04:43.22 | kgoetz | Legality: i'm still not sure where the really impressive bit is tbh. |
| 04:43.52 | kgoetz | x1938: you create an account (however you choose - adduser for example) and the person can ssh in |
| 04:43.57 | kgoetz | (on its simplest level) |
| 04:44.33 | Piper69 | Legality: forgive my ignorance, but i thought that when you install OS in a HDD, it get a UID for that specific MOBO. so when they swap MOBO and put the old HDD , that shouldn't work right away? please correct me if i am wrong! |
| 04:44.56 | kgoetz | Piper69: your wrong. |
| 04:45.13 | Lagbolt | pipeline, thats wrong |
| 04:45.17 | kgoetz | Piper69: microsoft's NT5.1 and over act like that, i'm not aware of any gnu/linux that does it |
| 04:45.18 | x1938 | what about the permissions , i have to set them manualy , right ? |
| 04:45.21 | Legality | I'venever even heard about anything like that |
| 04:45.21 | Lagbolt | i swapped out MB and all uuid were fine |
| 04:45.35 | kgoetz | x1938: which permissions? |
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| 04:45.41 | x1938 | for each user |
| 04:45.46 | Piper69 | kgoetz: well i don't think i am, because this is windows nature :) |
| 04:45.46 | kgoetz | no. |
| 04:45.59 | x1938 | i dont want them to be able to view other files on other shells |
| 04:46.04 | kgoetz | Piper69: dont owrry, i'm here to tell you that you are :p |
| 04:46.23 | kgoetz | x1938: then you either need to chroot them (manual setup) or make homes private (configuration option) |
| 04:46.37 | x1938 | ...shells are just users on a linux box , that you can access over ssh , correct ? |
| 04:46.42 | kgoetz | yes |
| 04:46.45 | Agent_bob | x1938 what permissions ? they are normal user accounts . you can login and test things locally to see what they can/cant do. |
| 04:47.31 | x1938 | ok |
| 04:47.45 | Piper69 | think windows machines are dumber that /me |
| 04:47.50 | Piper69 | :D |
| 04:47.55 | x1938 | :/ |
| 04:48.00 | Agent_bob | likes a /home permission of 001 |
| 04:48.23 | x1938 | any low cost high speed 99.9% uptime VPS providers that you know of guys ? |
| 04:48.24 | kgoetz | Agent_bob: o_0 |
| 04:48.31 | kgoetz | uses 701 |
| 04:48.33 | x1938 | something cheap :S |
| 04:49.24 | Agent_bob | kgoetz owned by root ? if so root doesn't need permission anyway so the 7 is useless |
| 04:49.44 | kgoetz | Agent_bob: on /home directories |
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| 04:50.12 | Legality | kgoetz: not impressive? really? |
| 04:50.26 | Agent_bob | kgoetz yes |
| 04:50.40 | Agent_bob | note i didn't say $HOME i said /home |
| 04:50.43 | horochovec | hello, my ltsp (lenny distro) have a problem in inicializate on thin client... the error is: PXE-T01: File not found, anyone have any idea to help? |
| 04:51.07 | Legality | haha, I bet they just booted my box |
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| 04:51.53 | kgoetz | Agent_bob: no, i didnt see that. |
| 04:52.25 | kgoetz | horochovec: check your logs, it probalby tells you the path the client is trying to use and you an see how its wrong |
| 04:53.11 | horochovec | kgoetz i'm looking on /var/log/syslog and i dont see any message to help-me... any idea about the correct log file? |
| 04:53.29 | kgoetz | horochovec: what tftpd are you using? |
| 04:53.29 | Piper69 | kgoetz: can you help me please |
| 04:53.46 | horochovec | tftpd-hda |
| 04:53.49 | kgoetz | Piper69: sorry, i dont think i saw your qustion |
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| 04:54.04 | kgoetz | horochovec: i'm pretty sure it logs to syslog. perhaps you need to enable logging? |
| 04:54.18 | horochovec | 3000 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -l -s /tftpboot |
| 04:54.51 | Piper69 | kgoetz: i am having a issue since yesterday setting up my new network "Debian wise" http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd3/ribrahim/NAT_Setup2.jpg |
| 04:55.00 | kgoetz | hasnt used ltsp for a while |
| 04:55.28 | kgoetz | Piper69: what exactly is the problem? |
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| 04:56.17 | Piper69 | kgoetz: can't get Debian box to get IP from external router, i even setup as static and no sucess |
| 04:56.32 | andrboot | Hi, does anyone in here have vmware-server free edition running on a 2.6.26 kenrel? |
| 04:56.35 | andrboot | *kernel? |
| 04:56.47 | andrboot | i cannot for the life of me get mine going.. and i an unable to downgrade to a 2.6.25 kernel |
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| 04:58.40 | andrboot | or leas don't know how to as apt-cache search brings up nothing on 2.6.25 kernels |
| 04:59.33 | kgoetz | Piper69: is your ethernet cable ok? |
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| 04:59.34 | CompWizrd | andrboot: which version of the vmware server? the 1.0.7, or 2.x? |
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| 04:59.39 | andrboot | CompWizrd 1.0.6 |
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| 04:59.59 | CompWizrd | if i remember right, the 1.0.7 removed the need for the vmware-any-any patch.. you might want to look into 1.0.7 anwyways, as there's security fixes in that one |
| 05:00.03 | andrboot | hmm |
| 05:00.06 | andrboot | grrr |
| 05:00.09 | andrboot | ill give ita shot |
| 05:00.13 | andrboot | then complain if it doesn't wokr :) |
| 05:00.14 | andrboot | lol |
| 05:00.32 | Agent_bob | andrboot apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 05:01.12 | andrboot | Agent_bob doesnt' show up 2.6.25* |
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| 05:02.42 | Piper69 | kgoetz: its wireless , did you take a look at the link i posted for you just to kinda give you an idea |
| 05:03.24 | Agent_bob | i didn't say it did. just that all the 2.6 kernels in your repos will show that way. -n for name only |
| 05:04.27 | CompWizrd | andrboot: i'd have to find my vmware server, but i'm pretty sure i run a 2.6.26 on it |
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| 05:04.53 | andrboot | @ CompWizrd hmm |
| 05:05.20 | kgoetz | Piper69: i looked at the link, and since nothing is labled i dont see i'm meant to know that :) whats your wifi card? |
| 05:05.32 | CompWizrd | i know the vmware-server-console doesn't work on my sid machine, but that's a known bug |
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| 05:07.06 | Piper69 | kgoetz: i just added "external Router" before that, everything was working fine . now that external-router has a notwork 10.202.46.X i can't get Debian box to work |
| 05:07.45 | Piper69 | kgoetz: and as soon as i take "external-router" out of the equation everything works fine?! |
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| 05:08.05 | kgoetz | Piper69: sounds like a problem with the router. fraid i cant help you with its UI though :\ |
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| 05:08.35 | mu532 | I was going to ask why the console doesn't work under sid... but let me take a guess... it's closed source and the sid libs are too new |
| 05:08.45 | mu532 | did I get it? did I get it?? :) |
| 05:09.31 | Piper69 | kgoetz: UI? |
| 05:09.42 | kgoetz | Piper69: i'm assuming the wifi router has a web ui of some kind |
| 05:09.56 | Piper69 | kgoetz: yes |
| 05:09.58 | andrboot | CompWizrd yea my vmmon moduels don't compile |
| 05:10.36 | mu532 | what's the latest kernel you can do xen dom0 with? |
| 05:11.51 | andrboot | CompWizrd im running lenny :p |
| 05:12.15 | Piper69 | kgoetz: why when i do "ifdown eth0" i get "DHCPRELASE on eth0 to 192.168.1.1 port 67" |
| 05:12.19 | CompWizrd | andrboot: might want to look into the vmware-any-any then |
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| 05:13.49 | kgoetz | Piper69: because its trying its last known dhcp server |
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| 05:14.39 | Piper69 | kgoetz: how can i bypass that. i even shut down and restart and still getting the same thing? |
| 05:15.03 | phuzion | Where is php's php.ini typically located when php is installed with apt-get? |
| 05:15.43 | mu532 | phuzion: system-wide config files are in /etc |
| 05:15.43 | kgoetz | Piper69: its not something you need to bypass. when it can see a new server it will be happy |
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| 05:15.57 | kgoetz | chances are 'external router' isnt puting out dhcp packets correctly |
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| 05:16.39 | Piper69 | kgoetz: i thought of that too, but i can connect my lapy to it fine :S |
| 05:17.44 | Agent_bob | Piper69 what os |
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| 05:17.56 | Piper69 | Agent_bob: debian |
| 05:18.21 | prolix | if an irc channel can hold an undetermined number of people, why kick idle users? |
| 05:18.41 | mu532 | prolix: it can't |
| 05:18.52 | andrboot | @ CompWizrd yea bad kernel :| rfol |
| 05:18.56 | prolix | mu532: what's the upward limit? |
| 05:19.04 | mu532 | the numnber will always be limited |
| 05:19.14 | Agent_bob | i'm just saying that 'just because windarz can connect to it, doesn't mean it's working correctly' that's all |
| 05:19.31 | andrboot | i need .25 :( |
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| 05:19.33 | andrboot | GAH |
| 05:19.36 | mu532 | also the more idle users there are, the more the server has to send to more connections when anyone says anything |
| 05:19.50 | mu532 | I don't know the limit |
| 05:19.56 | prolix | that makes perfect sense. thank you |
| 05:20.10 | mu532 | but the limit is more about server connections than channel participants |
| 05:21.10 | mu532 | if there are 10 people talking on a channel with 829 clients joined, that's a lot of extra work :) |
| 05:21.29 | prolix | sometimes i come here just to use the bot |
| 05:21.46 | mu532 | no problem but you also have an alternative |
| 05:21.58 | prolix | oh? what's the alternative? |
| 05:22.06 | Agent_bob | prolix where do you see idle users being kicked anyway ? |
| 05:22.17 | prolix | Agent_bob: self. me |
| 05:22.29 | mu532 | I think apt and dpkg would call it #debian-finelytunedmechanisms |
| 05:22.45 | mu532 | which some people like to call #debian-bots |
| 05:22.59 | prolix | well well. i learned something new today |
| 05:23.03 | prolix | mu532: thank you kindly |
| 05:23.14 | mu532 | welcome |
| 05:23.41 | mu532 | you know about listkeys and listvals? |
| 05:24.10 | prolix | who me? |
| 05:24.14 | mu532 | yeahg |
| 05:24.23 | Agent_bob | prolix any time resent you were kicked ? |
| 05:24.23 | Agent_bob | and may i see the message ? |
| 05:24.26 | prolix | never heard of those things in my life. |
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| 05:24.34 | prolix | Agent_bob: sure |
| 05:24.35 | prolix | one sec |
| 05:24.50 | prolix | 19:27 -!- prolix was kicked from #debian-overflow by debhelper [idle 5 min] |
| 05:25.13 | kgoetz | did you read the /topic ? |
| 05:25.13 | mu532 | prolix: the bots have factoids, another way of saying the bots have a hash... you can search the hash keys and the hash values |
| 05:25.17 | kgoetz | (of overflow) |
| 05:25.28 | Agent_bob | ah from overflow |
| 05:25.28 | dondelelcaro | prolix: people are automatically removed from -overflow |
| 05:25.42 | Agent_bob | makes sense |
| 05:25.58 | prolix | dondelelcaro: i don't know how any of that stuff works |
| 05:26.14 | dondelelcaro | prolix: it's just a channel that we use when this one hits the +l or +J limits |
| 05:26.20 | prolix | mu532: thank you |
| 05:26.42 | mu532 | say you want to find all factoids whose keys contain postgres |
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| 05:26.54 | mu532 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.55 | prolix | dondelelcaro: thank you for taking the time to explain that to me |
| 05:26.59 | prolix | mu532: huh |
| 05:27.08 | prolix | that's neat |
| 05:27.46 | mu532 | !listkeys postgres |
| 05:27.47 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'postgres' by key (5): _default postgresql ;; #debian postgresql ;; _default postgres ;; postgresql ;; postgres. |
| 05:27.49 | mu532 | small demo |
| 05:29.36 | prolix | time for a pilgramage to the store for cancer sticks. thank you guys, gals, hermaphrodites or intelligent algorithms for the help |
| 05:30.11 | prolix|away | go spelling |
| 05:30.55 | SQLDb | Anyone have a suggestion for a way to quickly grab a quick few seconds of audio from the console, for testing purposes? |
| 05:31.48 | dondelelcaro | SQLDb: cat /dev/dsp; for example |
| 05:32.06 | Agent_bob | cat /dev/dsp > file |
| 05:32.06 | Agent_bob | install sox and use rec |
| 05:32.13 | SQLDb | thanks guys :) |
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| 05:34.06 | Agent_bob | sox is all the audio application we need |
| 05:34.07 | mu532 | arecord? |
| 05:35.45 | Agent_bob | is alsa-utils installed by default ? then arecord and aplay for the win |
| 05:35.59 | Agent_bob | alsa's version of sox ^ |
| 05:36.25 | mu532 | I don't think it's installed by default... but you can just install it |
| 05:36.39 | foug | ok so i'm editing a file but you have to be root to save it, i didn't use sudo to open the file. Is there any way i can login to root without closing the file and rewriting it? |
| 05:37.13 | mu532 | foug: save it to a place the user has write permission to |
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| 05:37.27 | Agent_bob | foug save to your home and copy back as root |
| 05:37.30 | foug | mu532: allright, what if i use ctrl+z, login as root, then go back to the file? |
| 05:37.43 | mu532 | I wouldn't try that |
| 05:37.48 | foug | Agent_bob: allright thanks ya'll |
| 05:37.55 | mu532 | not without writing it out first |
| 05:38.05 | Agent_bob | no |
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| 05:38.41 | mu532 | foug: the ctrl-z thing won't give the process permission |
| 05:38.48 | foug | mu532: allright |
| 05:39.10 | mu532 | I mean the process the editor is running in |
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| 05:39.43 | Agent_bob | he also can forground a process backgrounded by a parent. |
| 05:40.21 | mu532 | would that do what he wants? |
| 05:40.59 | foug | allright, i saved to home and cp'd to where it needed to be |
| 05:41.08 | Agent_bob | it would if he could. but linux don't play that game. |
| 05:41.23 | mu532 | oh, ok |
| 05:41.37 | mu532 | lomey don play dat |
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| 05:41.50 | foug | but, now i'm having this weird problem. Earlier today i accidently put the program in my background when i hit ctrl+z by mistake. So, now i'm out of nano and back to my prompt, but when i type nothing shows up, but i can do commands. So, let's say I do 'ls' and hit enter, it lists the contents of wherever i'm at biut then my prompt tabs over to the middle of my screen |
| 05:42.39 | mu532 | you could fg the nano process now |
| 05:42.48 | Agent_bob | it's like trying to change environment of a parent from a child process. linux just don't play that game a'tall |
| 05:42.51 | foug | there's no jobs in fg, i allready fg'd |
| 05:43.13 | mu532 | you could try reset |
| 05:43.18 | mu532 | not reset button |
| 05:43.21 | mu532 | type reset |
| 05:43.38 | foug | awww hell yea, i love you mu532 |
| 05:43.40 | Agent_bob | foug fg is to ctrl-z what play is to pause |
| 05:43.45 | foug | i should've thought've loffing out as well, haha |
| 05:43.51 | foug | Agent_bob: aye |
| 05:43.51 | mu532 | that should restore your terminal to sane defaults |
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| 05:45.11 | mu532 | and ctrl-z is to bg what pause is to knocking the recorder into the wall and starting it |
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| 05:45.42 | nachos | is the glibc doc package on apt a collection of the manapages for like memcpy() and all the standard type C library functions? |
| 05:45.50 | Agent_bob | o.O |
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| 05:47.23 | mu532 | to make room for more equipment :) |
| 05:47.46 | Agent_bob | heh |
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| 05:49.24 | Agent_bob | well i'll be ready to test this new kernel in about five. so i'll see you chaps later on. |
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| 05:50.40 | foug | has anyone here configured firehol before? |
| 05:55.07 | mu532 | what's a firehol? |
| 05:55.18 | foug | it's like an easy way to configure iptables |
| 05:55.52 | mu532 | I haven't; I use ipmasq but that's for a specific situation |
| 05:56.02 | foug | hmm, darn |
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| 05:57.12 | mu532 | if I want to have a gateway that has one IP address on the outside and lots of masqd ips on the inside, that's what I use ipmasq for |
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| 05:57.38 | foug | ahh, i'm just trying to set up a firewall for my server and someone last night suggested i use firehol |
| 05:57.41 | mu532 | it even looks at the interfaces for me and builds a router out if it |
| 05:58.05 | mu532 | it does everything but dns |
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| 05:58.11 | foug | hmm |
| 06:01.35 | prolix | thank you again, helpful, concise debianites |
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| 06:13.47 | bolt | gah. why doesn't thinkgeek or something sell handsfree's which look like the secret agent ones |
| 06:13.53 | bolt | i want that white spiral cord thing |
| 06:15.42 | mu532 | don't break your spiral cord... your brain won't work! |
| 06:16.37 | foug | can i follow an iptables guide that was written for Sarge in Etch? |
| 06:16.42 | foug | can't seem to find one written for etch |
| 06:17.00 | mu532 | iptables hasn't changed |
| 06:17.07 | foug | awesome |
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| 06:17.14 | mu532 | find rustys unreliable guides |
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| 06:17.39 | bolt | mu532: spiral, not spinal |
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| 06:20.17 | mu532 | oh? you say spinal cord? |
| 06:21.15 | bolt | !shoot mu532 |
| 06:21.15 | dpkg | blows mu532 away with an Uzi |
| 06:21.33 | mu532 | not spiral? |
| 06:22.16 | bolt | also shoves his girlfriend's bloody spiral up mu532's ear. there. handsfree. |
| 06:23.40 | mu532 | I can't find those guides yet |
| 06:23.52 | mu532 | the netfilter.org site seems to be down |
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| 06:26.35 | mu532 | so that cord is not a spiral cord, you're sure now? |
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| 06:32.16 | mu532 | who wanted to learn iptables? |
| 06:32.30 | mu532 | http://web.archive.org/web/20031207055120/netfilter.org/documentation/index.html#documentation-howto |
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| 06:36.51 | dal-home | anyone here familiar with unionfs? I'm having some syntax issues with it, the command "mount -t unionfs -o dirs=/dir1=ro:/dir2=ro unionfs /media/union" which according to every unionfs-related webpage I can find should work, doesn't :( |
| 06:37.54 | dal-home | gives me the stock mount error about "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on unionfs " etc |
| 06:39.04 | dal-home | checking dmesg shows "unionfs_read_super: error while parsing options (err = -22)" |
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| 06:44.34 | dal-home | bah the stupid thing apparently needs the first directory to be rw - kind of annoying for me as I just wanted a single point where i could get a readonly overview of the contents of all of the other directories but meh it works now |
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| 06:45.52 | bbinotto | hi, i have gcc problem on amd64 / debian stable: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory |
| 06:46.24 | \amethyst | bbinotto: what are you trying to build? sounds like 32-bit software |
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| 06:46.38 | bbinotto | \amethyst: razor2 antispam tool |
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| 06:48.13 | bbinotto | \amethyst: gcc-multilib is not available in debian stable |
| 06:48.58 | bbinotto | bbinotto: i'm not very expreinced in compiling things;) |
| 06:49.20 | \amethyst | bbinotto: does this program have a ./configure script? |
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| 06:49.29 | \amethyst | bbinotto: and did you run it on this machine? |
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| 06:49.53 | bbinotto | \amethyst: which machine? the machine i'm chatting with? |
| 06:50.01 | \amethyst | bbinotto: the one you're compiling on |
| 06:51.16 | bbinotto | \amethyst: no configure script, only makefile |
| 06:51.34 | \amethyst | bbinotto: where is gnu/stubs-32.h being #included from? |
| 06:51.49 | F6F | moin |
| 06:51.53 | \amethyst | bbinotto: the error message should say |
| 06:51.54 | bbinotto | \amethyst: /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory |
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| 06:53.10 | \amethyst | bbinotto: weird, because that should not happen when compiling for x86_64 |
| 06:53.24 | \amethyst | bbinotto: it should include gnu/stubs-64.h instead |
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| 06:53.43 | bbinotto | \amethyst: do I have to tell him to compile for 64bit? |
| 06:53.52 | \amethyst | bbinotto: what does gcc -v say about the 'Target' ? |
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| 06:54.13 | bbinotto | Target: x86_64-linux-gnu |
| 06:54.20 | \amethyst | bbinotto: that's right |
| 06:54.43 | \amethyst | bbinotto: what command line options are being passed to gcc when you get this error? |
| 06:54.44 | bbinotto | \amethyst: it's a bit special |
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| 06:54.56 | bbinotto | \amethyst: i'm going through this tutorial: http://wiki.kolab.org/index.php/Razor2 |
| 06:54.57 | \amethyst | bbinotto: is there something like -march=i386 ? |
| 06:56.26 | \amethyst | oh, it's Perl |
| 06:56.31 | bbinotto | \amethyst: no, can't see anything like that |
| 06:56.54 | \amethyst | (well, Perl with C) |
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| 06:57.57 | bbinotto | \amethyst: it uses a special gcc: /kolab/bin/gcc |
| 06:58.03 | \amethyst | oh |
| 06:58.11 | bbinotto | \amethyst: that might be the problem |
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| 06:58.17 | \amethyst | what does /kolab/bin/gcc -v say about the Target? |
| 06:58.43 | bbinotto | \amethyst: Target: i686-pc-linux-gnu |
| 06:58.57 | \amethyst | are you intending to cross-compile? |
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| 06:59.22 | bbinotto | \amethyst: ahem ? |
| 06:59.46 | \amethyst | bbinotto: well, if it's using that gcc, it's trying to generate a 32-bit binary |
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| 07:00.40 | bbinotto | \amethyst: ok, and he can't because he's looking at the defualt location for a 32 stubs thing |
| 07:01.06 | bbinotto | \amethyst: can I tell him to do 64 build? |
| 07:01.22 | \amethyst | bbinotto: use your system's gcc instead of the one in /kolab |
| 07:01.39 | \amethyst | I don't know why it's using that one in the first place |
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| 07:02.20 | bbinotto | \amethyst: i'm also using perl and make from there, see: http://wiki.kolab.org/index.php/Razor2 |
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| 07:03.17 | \amethyst | bbinotto: maybe you should try asking them for help |
| 07:03.21 | likaijun | hello everyone |
| 07:03.28 | Lagbolt | hi |
| 07:03.33 | likaijun | >I want to add apache2 to my customed debian-based distribution . But when I install the iso, it stop forever when the apache pid start. why ? the system is still be installing not installed. |
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| 07:03.45 | \amethyst | bbinotto: since the programs giving you problems (gcc here) aren't debian programs |
| 07:05.07 | \amethyst | bbinotto: you might be able to convince their gcc to look elsewhere for its headers |
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| 07:07.21 | \amethyst | bbinotto: actually, installing libc6-dev-i386 might be all you need |
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| 07:08.34 | bbinotto | \amethyst: i'll try, thank you |
| 07:08.42 | nachos | anyone know what package i need to install to get all the libc documentation ( on like memcpy(), strcmp() etc ? ) ? |
| 07:09.05 | \amethyst | nachos: manpages-dev will have all the manpages |
| 07:09.10 | dondelelcaro | !tell nachos -about find |
| 07:09.16 | dondelelcaro | !tell nachos -about search |
| 07:09.31 | nachos | thanks |
| 07:09.41 | \amethyst | nachos: there's also glibc-doc-reference in non-free, for the info docs |
| 07:09.41 | dondelelcaro | !find memcpy. |
| 07:10.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'memcpy.' (5 of 26): (/usr/share/dist/U/d_memcpy.U) in devel/dist ;; (/usr/lib/perl/5.10.0/auto/POSIX/memcpy.al) in perl/perl ;; (/usr/include/directfb/direct/memcpy.h) in libdevel/libdirectfb-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/lam4-dev/examples/config/lam_check_prefix_memcpy.m4) in devel/lam4-dev ;; (/usr/lib/uml/modules/2.6.26/kernel/crypto/async_tx/async_memcpy.ko) in misc/user-mode-linux. |
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| 07:10.26 | \amethyst | nachos: also in non-free, manpages-posix-dev |
| 07:11.10 | \amethyst | nachos: the -posix manpages describe the standard (what Unixes are supposed to do, as opposed to what Linux does do) |
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| 07:12.35 | cacahuate | hello.. when i booting.. this module "piix4_smbus" stays for like 8 seconds.. and its failed.. i think i dont need it.. how can i delete it, so my boot go faster |
| 07:12.58 | \amethyst | cacahuate: does it appear in /etc/modules ? |
| 07:13.58 | Penol | !find xen |
| 07:14.00 | nachos | thanks \amethyst |
| 07:14.02 | cacahuate | i dont have that file |
| 07:14.05 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xen' (7 of 41): (/usr/bin/xengine) in x11/xengine ;; (/usr/bin/speexenc) in sound/speex ;; (/usr/bin/anxenc) in utils/annodex-tools ;; (/etc/udev/xenomai.rules) in libs/libxenomai1 ;; (/usr/bin/adt-virt-xenlvm) in devel/autopkgtest ;; (/usr/include/cm/texenv.h) in libdevel/libcm-dev ;; (/usr/bin/xeno-config) in libdevel/libxenomai-dev. |
| 07:14.18 | cacahuate | i mean that folder |
| 07:14.21 | cacahuate | modules onto etc |
| 07:14.24 | cacahuate | i cant see it |
| 07:14.45 | \amethyst | cacahuate: /etc/modules is supposed to be a file, but it's entirely possible it doesn't exist |
| 07:14.52 | \amethyst | hm |
| 07:15.08 | cacahuate | yesh its not there |
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| 07:17.09 | \amethyst | cacahuate: maybe put a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ with the contents blacklist piix4_smbus |
| 07:17.28 | \amethyst | cacahuate: you can add that line to /etc/modprobe.d/local |
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| 07:18.26 | Iradieh | Excuse me, how do I write nordic letters in the terminal |
| 07:18.31 | Iradieh | I changed to utf-8 still doesnt work |
| 07:18.50 | Iradieh | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.50 | \amethyst | cacahuate: hmm |
| 07:19.04 | cacahuate | yeah im in etc/modprobe.d now |
| 07:19.12 | \amethyst | cacahuate: actually it might be install piix4_smbus /bin/true instead |
| 07:19.14 | cacahuate | i found the blacklist |
| 07:19.25 | cacahuate | i see |
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| 07:20.26 | cacahuate | fail |
| 07:20.38 | cacahuate | E: Couldn't find package piix4_smbus |
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| 07:20.51 | \amethyst | huh? |
| 07:20.56 | \amethyst | no, not apt-get install |
| 07:21.13 | \amethyst | the line install piix4_smbus /bin/true in a file in modprobe.d |
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| 07:21.37 | \amethyst | the difference is the "install ... /bin/true" version prevents the module from ever being loaded, while the "blacklist ..." version only prevents it from being loaded by an alias |
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| 07:22.36 | cacahuate | ok |
| 07:22.45 | cacahuate | im inside modprobe-d again |
| 07:23.06 | cacahuate | in which file you want me to type install piix4_smbus /bin/true |
| 07:23.30 | \amethyst | cacahuate: it's probably best to make a new file so you don't get bugged about it on upgrades |
| 07:23.39 | cacahuate | ok |
| 07:23.46 | cacahuate | any name is ok? |
| 07:23.48 | \amethyst | maybe 'local' or 'die-smbus-die-die' |
| 07:23.49 | cacahuate | does not matter? |
| 07:23.50 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 07:24.39 | Iradieh | Excuse me, how do I write nordic letters in the terminal? I need to change to utf-8 |
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| 07:26.25 | cacahuate | i only have th eoption to create a file |
| 07:26.29 | cacahuate | i mean |
| 07:26.31 | cacahuate | a folder |
| 07:26.35 | cacahuate | how can i create a 'file' there |
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| 07:27.36 | cacahuate | never mind |
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| 07:28.05 | mu532 | cacahuate: you're typing commands into a thing called a shell, which is a command interpreter... learn that interpreter |
| 07:28.08 | \amethyst | cacahuate: echo 'install piix4_smbus /bin/true' > /etc/modprobe.d/local for example |
| 07:28.43 | \amethyst | cacahuate: either that or you open it with a text editor |
| 07:28.59 | cacahuate | amethyst i did it already without commands.. well i just use gksu thunar for privileges |
| 07:29.00 | cacahuate | thats it |
| 07:29.08 | \amethyst | that works too |
| 07:29.08 | cacahuate | i create the file now i will type that |
| 07:29.17 | cacahuate | yeah, im very bad memorizing commands |
| 07:29.25 | cacahuate | gksu thunar, works always for me |
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| 07:30.08 | cacahuate | done |
| 07:30.15 | cacahuate | i will restart |
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| 07:31.42 | gugi_ | guys do you know the date of the rellease of Debian Lenny ? |
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| 07:33.55 | cydork | !wwlr |
| 07:33.55 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 07:34.38 | gugi_ | yea but i have already september |
| 07:34.42 | gugi_ | we* |
| 07:34.53 | cydork | !wir |
| 07:34.53 | dpkg | wir is probably When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 07:34.56 | cacahuate | didnt work :(... but actually i had time to type it all.... this is what takes long time to load... any idea?.... [ 10.227318] piix4_smbus 0000:00:07.3: Host SMBus controller not enabled! |
| 07:34.57 | cast | tries to work out how we fixes that sentence |
| 07:34.59 | et | gugi_: the factoid still applies |
| 07:35.08 | cacahuate | [Ă‚Â Ă‚Â 10.227318]Ă‚Â piix4_smbus 0000:00:07.3: Host SMBus controller not enabled! |
| 07:35.24 | gugi_ | i know et |
| 07:35.35 | et | then why do you ask? |
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| 07:35.57 | gugi_ | if you know some extra things |
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| 07:36.50 | gamla_kossan | hi guys |
| 07:36.51 | gamla_kossan | umm |
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| 07:37.22 | gamla_kossan | where in gods name is the network routing script that is run on boot? |
| 07:37.23 | gamla_kossan | :> |
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| 07:37.41 | simonrvn | !interfaces |
| 07:37.41 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
| 07:37.42 | gamla_kossan | can't find it; /etc/network/interfaces is.. a little too empty. |
| 07:37.47 | gamla_kossan | oh, ok. |
| 07:37.50 | simonrvn | it's not a script |
| 07:37.51 | gamla_kossan | simonrvn: cheers :> |
| 07:37.56 | gamla_kossan | it's not? |
| 07:39.01 | Squawk | Hey chaps, got a funny one. The three menus on the tollbar at the top of the desktop in gnome in a default installation have "disappared", and for the life of me I can't fathom why. All I have done recently is install thunderbird (icedove), updated then upgraded after teh problem occured to see if some dependency might have gone. Any ideas? |
| 07:39.26 | Lagbolt | Squawk, re-add it to your task bar :) |
| 07:39.29 | simonrvn | there are scripts to read and configure the network from that conf |
| 07:39.50 | simonrvn | ...and some outright c binaries |
| 07:39.53 | Pavlz | http://translate.google.it/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ilsoftware.it%2Farticoli.asp%3FID%3D4624&sl=it&tl=en&hl=it&ie=UTF-8 |
| 07:39.54 | Squawk | Lagbolt, what is it? name? |
| 07:40.10 | Lagbolt | um there are 2 i think. one is a single menu and other is the trio let me see |
| 07:40.42 | Lagbolt | Squawk, hmmm oh yeah i dont have gnome on this machine :( |
| 07:40.54 | Squawk | so'k, got it |
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| 07:40.59 | Lagbolt | cool |
| 07:40.59 | Squawk | never thought it would something that simle |
| 07:41.00 | Squawk | lol |
| 07:41.07 | Squawk | thanks Lagbolt |
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| 07:41.40 | Lagbolt | hmm wow i typed a :( . . . wierd, i have compulsive smiley face problem. my hands do it without my knowledge |
| 07:41.43 | Lagbolt | it is annoying! |
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| 07:42.36 | wd_ | trying to mount fd0 getting error telling me to bogus vfat....how can i see what filesystem is on a floppy to mount it? |
| 07:42.50 | wd_ | i don't understand.. i used linux to cp file to floppy |
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| 07:46.49 | wd_ | ok i'm trying to mount with auto... nada.. don't understand. |
| 07:46.56 | \amethyst | wd_: you did cp file /dev/fd0 or something? |
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| 07:49.26 | wd_ | \amethyst: i cp a file using from another linux box to a floppy now i'm trying to mount same floppy on this box.. file is present..i checked bfore extracting floppy. |
| 07:49.50 | Lagbolt | wd_, he is asking how you copied the file to floppy |
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| 07:49.52 | wd_ | \amethyst: yes i used cp file /dev/fd0 |
| 07:50.05 | \amethyst | wd_: that overwrites the filesystem and puts the raw file on the device |
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| 07:50.23 | \amethyst | wd_: so instead of a boot sector or FAT or what have you, it has the contents of the file |
| 07:50.38 | \amethyst | do you remember (or can you look up) the length of the file in bytes? |
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| 07:51.37 | wd_ | \amethyst: oh crap. don't remember. i'll check for length will be awhile. there's several files i cp. |
| 07:51.47 | \amethyst | wd_: then they overwrote each other |
| 07:51.59 | \amethyst | wd_: unless you copied them all in one command |
| 07:52.18 | wd_ | \amethyst: no i cp each file sep |
| 07:52.23 | \amethyst | ah, you couldn't have copied them all in one command |
| 07:52.33 | \amethyst | so you can only retrieve the last file |
| 07:52.40 | wd_ | \amethyst: ok |
| 07:52.41 | \amethyst | each time it wrote the file starting at sector 0 |
| 07:52.56 | \amethyst | if you want to try this again... |
| 07:53.20 | wd_ | \amethyst: yes |
| 07:53.22 | \amethyst | format the floppy (you can use mkdosfs /dev/fd0 or something like that); then mount the floppy on the source machine |
| 07:53.35 | \amethyst | wd_: then you can copy the files into the mount point |
| 07:53.50 | wd_ | \amethyst: k |
| 07:53.57 | \amethyst | wd_: then umount the directory and run sync to make sure everything gets written to disk |
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| 07:54.14 | \amethyst | wd_: then you can mount the floppy on the other machine and copy the files off |
| 07:54.15 | wd_ | \amethyst: i c. k |
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| 07:54.37 | \amethyst | wd_: alternatively you can use mcopy (from package mtolls) |
| 07:54.52 | wd_ | \amethyst: when i mount on other machine use mount -vfat right. |
| 07:54.57 | \amethyst | wd_: it will let you say mcopy filename a: and mcopy a:filename otherfilename |
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| 07:55.08 | wd_ | \amethyst: oh |
| 07:55.09 | \amethyst | wd_: yes, on both machines mount -t vfat |
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| 07:55.32 | \amethyst | wd_: mcopy works without mounting, so it is a little easier to use in some situations |
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| 07:56.26 | wd_ | \amethyst: ok |
| 07:57.00 | \amethyst | I don't think mcopy handles long filenames though |
| 07:57.16 | \amethyst | I might be wrong |
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| 07:59.29 | jim_p | hello |
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| 08:00.07 | jim_p | does anybody know an rss reader that would "scroll" the rss headlines across the top or bottom of the page? i remember kde had something like that |
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| 08:05.50 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.50 | Agent_bob | having more than one hd is nice. you can migrate a linux install out of a partition if you want. |
| 08:06.43 | Agent_bob | but not using any partition has some draw backs like you can't use grub... |
| 08:07.00 | wd_ | \amethyst: trying to mkdosfs /dev/fd0 on this box and other getting error.... command not found...even as sudo. |
| 08:07.27 | Agent_bob | wd_ mkfs.msdos |
| 08:07.34 | wd_ | \amethyst: is mkdosfs part of a utility |
| 08:07.38 | wd_ | ok |
| 08:08.23 | Agent_bob | mtools holds mkfs.msdos and mkfs.vfat if you don't have them alerady |
| 08:08.30 | wd_ | Agent_bob: darn. command not found. |
| 08:08.45 | wd_ | Agent_bob: i'll see if i have mtools |
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| 08:09.16 | azeem | Pavlz: for the record, I'll get you removed from this network if you keep on spamming random channels with random links |
| 08:09.54 | wd_ | Agent_bob: this is a fresh install of sarge.. i know.. why sarge .. this is a very old laptop..100mhz/2g hd/pentium/40meg ram. |
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| 08:10.32 | Agent_bob | i'm sure that is pertenant |
| 08:11.07 | wd_ | Agent_bob: did man mkfs....i have man pages. yay. |
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| 08:13.21 | \amethyst | wd_: mkdosfs is in dosfstools, not mtools |
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| 08:13.46 | Agent_bob | actually no mtools doesn't provide mkfs.vfat in debian sorry my bad. |
| 08:13.48 | \amethyst | (though mtools has mformat, which would work) |
| 08:14.18 | wd_ | \amethyst: i'll apt-get dosfstools now |
| 08:14.31 | Agent_bob | yeah mformat but in ubuntu i think it provides mkfs.vfat and mkfs.msdos also ... |
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| 08:15.46 | Agent_bob | which seem to both be symlinks to mkdosfs |
| 08:15.49 | wd_ | \amethyst: how do u guys find out these things.. like where certain apps are? |
| 08:15.59 | wd_ | \amethyst: nvm....apt-cache huh? |
| 08:16.03 | Agent_bob | apt-file |
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| 08:16.49 | \amethyst | wd_: apt-file, dlocate if I have the package installed |
| 08:17.31 | Agent_bob | if you don't already have a package installed, apt-cache is pretty limited but can find some things... only in discriptions |
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| 08:17.56 | wd_ | \amethyst: did apt-file...got command not found |
| 08:17.58 | wd_ | lol |
| 08:18.01 | wd_ | darn |
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| 08:18.13 | wd_ | \amethyst: apt-file mkfs? |
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| 08:18.32 | wd_ | \amethyst: nvm |
| 08:18.44 | \amethyst | I did apt-file search mkdosfs |
| 08:18.57 | wd_ | \amethyst: "search"? ok. |
| 08:19.05 | FreakGuard | puppetd states there's no puppetmaster... but I started the daemon on the server. hosts.deny is empty |
| 08:19.22 | FreakGuard | tcpdump receves some packages on the server |
| 08:19.29 | Agent_bob | but you wd_ would have to do apt-get install apt-file ;apt-file update #first |
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| 08:20.16 | wd_ | \amethyst: ok.. did mkdosfs i heard the floppy drive click one time and it gave "mkdosfs 211".. that's it... it's done? |
| 08:20.20 | wd_ | wow. |
| 08:20.45 | \amethyst | it's like a quick format |
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| 08:20.52 | \amethyst | all it has to do is write the FATs |
| 08:21.04 | Agent_bob | blank them actually |
| 08:21.33 | \amethyst | and the root directory I guess |
| 08:21.51 | Agent_bob | really ? |
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| 08:22.12 | wd_ | ok.. guys on to mount this in source box to cp... ty. |
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| 08:23.07 | bbinotto | \amethyst: installing libc-dev-i386 did help, but it comes up with: /usr/lib/crti.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized |
| 08:23.31 | \amethyst | Agent_bob: the root directory has its own region of the disk in FAT <=16 |
| 08:23.33 | bbinotto | \amethyst: (kolab razor2 installation on amd64) |
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| 08:24.04 | bbinotto | \amethyst: couldn't find anything on google |
| 08:24.29 | Agent_bob | \amethyst hmmm k i didn't know that. |
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| 08:25.07 | \amethyst | bbinotto: you need to figure out how to get the kolab install of gcc to look in /emul/ia32-linux/ for its libraries |
| 08:25.43 | bbinotto | \amethyst: thank you |
| 08:26.08 | Blast_Hardcheese | If I've got 4 gigs of ram and I plan to get another 8 gigs, is there any point of having a dedicated swap partition anymore? |
| 08:26.17 | Blast_Hardcheese | s/another// |
| 08:26.21 | Agent_bob | i remember you are limited to something like 64 or 128 root inodes on <=fat12 |
| 08:26.32 | \amethyst | bbinotto: probably a matter of finding its spec file and editing that |
| 08:27.06 | bbinotto | \amethyst: do you have an idea of its name? |
| 08:27.08 | FreakGuard | I'm playing with puppetmaster... but I've got some problems: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/84422/ |
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| 08:28.44 | \amethyst | bbinotto: it might be using built-in specs, but it would go somewhere like i686-linux-gnu/4.3.1/gcc.spec |
| 08:29.00 | spq | can i use unionfs together with tmpfs to make / read write (it is a ro nfs share before) |
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| 08:29.20 | Agent_bob | spq yes |
| 08:29.23 | spq | and where should i put the initialization? (fstab? |
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| 08:29.47 | spq | or wont / be remounted from the infos there? |
| 08:29.57 | \amethyst | bbinotto: it's pretty complicated and I haven't touched it in forever; you'll have to read info gcc and search for spec files |
| 08:30.10 | \amethyst | bbinotto: /away |
| 08:30.13 | \amethyst | doh |
| 08:30.16 | Agent_bob | spq i used /etc/rc.local but fstab might work |
| 08:30.40 | spq | Agent_bob, well rc local is done a bit late... |
| 08:30.50 | Agent_bob | i used that mainly because i wanted it done last |
| 08:31.18 | spq | hm, why? |
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| 08:31.25 | spq | (why so late?) |
| 08:31.44 | Agent_bob | so nothing would by chance change is... |
| 08:32.10 | spq | why would nothing change? |
| 08:32.30 | spq | hm no, why dont you want that something changes? |
| 08:33.06 | Agent_bob | like i said i used rc.local you can pick your own route. |
| 08:33.14 | nachos | is it safe to use gcc/g++ 4.1 on etch? or will there be any complications? |
| 08:33.14 | Agent_bob | umm and your own nose... :) |
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| 08:34.19 | Blast_Hardcheese | Alright, here's a more interesting question, How do I enable interesting usernames in linux? It doesn't seem to want me to use anything but alphanumerics |
| 08:34.22 | Blast_Hardcheese | that's kind of lame |
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| 08:35.53 | nachos | hm |
| 08:36.05 | nachos | what compiler and version is everything on etch built by? |
| 08:37.21 | Blast_Hardcheese | Is this some kind of test that I must pass to get help in this channel? |
| 08:38.11 | spq | whats the name of the package that installs most important development stuff (*-essential) |
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| 08:38.21 | Agent_bob | nachos /lib/libc-2.3.6.so |
| 08:38.33 | spq | build-essential - thanks :) |
| 08:39.39 | nachos | Agent_bob: can a gcc 4.1 program link to that? |
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| 08:40.26 | Agent_bob | nachos did you execute it ? |
| 08:41.42 | nachos | i made a 5 line hello world program in C, built it with gcc 4.1 |
| 08:41.44 | nachos | seems to work |
| 08:42.03 | Agent_bob | nachos run this... /lib/libc-2.3.6.so |
| 08:42.32 | nachos | how can i run a shared object? |
| 08:42.56 | Agent_bob | nachos by typing in something like... /lib/libc-*.so |
| 08:43.05 | Agent_bob | wake up dude |
| 08:43.30 | Blast_Hardcheese | How do I enable interesting usernames in linux? It doesn't seem to want me to use anything but alphanumerics |
| 08:43.44 | Blast_Hardcheese | Underscores, for example. |
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| 08:44.07 | Agent_bob | Blast_Hardcheese define "it" please ? |
| 08:44.26 | Blast_Hardcheese | The debian installer, |
| 08:44.37 | Blast_Hardcheese | "Enter username for your account" specifically |
| 08:44.41 | Blast_Hardcheese | no clue what subsystem that is |
| 08:45.10 | FreakGuard | I need ruby 1.8.7 for my etch. how to install that? |
| 08:45.29 | Agent_bob | ah the installer... i can't say about that. but acter install you can add users.. |
| 08:45.55 | Blast_Hardcheese | Right, but I can't add a user with an underscore in the username, |
| 08:46.01 | Blast_Hardcheese | which is my problem. |
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| 08:46.46 | Agent_bob | yes you can. |
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| 08:46.52 | Orfeous | is it possible to specify apt cache dir? |
| 08:46.54 | Agent_bob | adduser --force-badname 'test_case-1.0' <<<< |
| 08:47.01 | ghatak | hi, can use logrotate to just remove files older than 30 days in a path and not actually do any rotation or compression ? |
| 08:47.16 | Orfeous | i mean.. if its possible to redirect it somewhere else? |
| 08:47.25 | Orfeous | make a symlink? |
| 08:47.41 | Agent_bob | yes you can symlink |
| 08:48.14 | Orfeous | just remove /var/apt/cache then? :) and symlink i guess? |
| 08:48.21 | Orfeous | and update packagelist |
| 08:48.58 | Agent_bob | Orfeous either the archives dir or the packages themsleves BUT if you symlink the packages then md5 will fail and you'll get package can't be verified warnings from apt |
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| 08:50.07 | Agent_bob | and it's /var/cache/apt ^ or /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 08:51.28 | Orfeous | yes, i saw that |
| 08:51.47 | Orfeous | only got 300mb left on root dir :P |
| 08:51.52 | Orfeous | so i cant do many upgrades |
| 08:52.04 | zorrolero | Orfeous: maybe "apt-get clean" can become your friend.) |
| 08:52.18 | wols_ | Agent_bob: why would the md5 fail? |
| 08:52.34 | Orfeous | zorrolero: it is allready |
| 08:52.47 | wols_ | Orfeous: you can symlink the directory anywhere you want if you have space somewhere else |
| 08:53.04 | Agent_bob | wols_ cause you can't md5 a symlink or apt can't it dereferances and check the link in place of the file it points at |
| 08:53.13 | jelly-home | Orfeous: or you can change the value in apt.conf |
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| 08:53.32 | asdfad | i need help |
| 08:53.34 | asdfad | anyone online? |
| 08:53.44 | jelly-home | Agent_bob: how exactly is a directory symlink basis for md5sum? |
| 08:53.59 | Agent_bob | jelly-home ? |
| 08:54.13 | wols_ | symlinking each deb would be kinda excessive.and stupid :P |
| 08:54.35 | asdfad | i wish to install mandreva but it wont read the cd on boot |
| 08:54.35 | asdfad | <asdfad> and yes i checked my bios settings |
| 08:54.35 | asdfad | <asdfad> also it wont do anything when i click the install butten off of the autorun window that comes up when i put the cd in windows |
| 08:54.35 | asdfad | <asdfad> can anyone help me with that? |
| 08:54.35 | asdfad | <asdfad> please!! i realy wana run linux again |
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| 08:54.36 | Agent_bob | i do lots of stupid things i guess |
| 08:54.36 | jelly-home | Agent_bob: if you move /v/c/a/archives somewhere and symlink it, nothing breaks |
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| 08:54.58 | Agent_bob | jelly-home that's exactly what i said. |
| 08:55.06 | Agent_bob | did you misread it ? |
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| 08:55.19 | asdfad | hello? |
| 08:55.25 | jelly-home | or read it at all :-) |
| 08:55.27 | asdfad | sorry i tryed to paste it |
| 08:55.38 | asdfad | my computer wont read my linux install disk |
| 08:55.41 | Agent_bob | yeah that too |
| 08:55.42 | wols_ | asdfad: we do not support mandriva. ask #mandriva or #linux |
| 08:55.48 | asdfad | their all dead lol |
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| 08:55.49 | asdfad | kk thanks |
| 08:55.51 | asdfad | ill try linux |
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| 08:55.58 | thesuliban1980 | hello, I' |
| 08:56.10 | thesuliban1980 | m having troubles compiling busybox on debian etch. |
| 08:56.22 | thesuliban1980 | Is this the right place to ask for help regarding this? |
| 08:56.37 | wols_ | sure. but you have to actually ask |
| 08:57.17 | jelly-home | thesuliban1980: you can probably expect to be asked the reason for manual compile, too |
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| 09:00.19 | dudeman | jelly-home, hi |
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| 09:00.19 | thesuliban1980 | *g* okay: when running make , I encounter the following error: http://pastebin.com/d23929ad6 |
| 09:00.20 | thesuliban1980 | and the reason why I |
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| 09:02.41 | thesuliban1980 | m building it myselfe instead of using the pkg: I need to build a very small version of it, to fit on a 1.44 floppy... + kernel 2.4 |
| 09:02.41 | wols_ | have you installed all build-deps? |
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| 09:02.41 | thesuliban1980 | no, only build-essential |
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| 09:02.50 | wols_ | then do it. tho It looks like the inotify stuff is part of libc6 possibly. what libc do you link? |
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| 09:02.50 | lkthomas | guys, which directory server are you guys running ? |
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| 09:03.56 | thesuliban1980 | that's the next problem: I actualy I'd like to link it agains uclib but I don't know how to.... |
| 09:04.10 | thesuliban1980 | it's my very first expirience in "embeded" |
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| 09:05.07 | dustybin | if one uses DHCP to get network settings but one wants to use own DNS name server settings, what should one do? |
| 09:05.15 | wols_ | http://linux.die.net/man/2/inotify_init needs kernel 2.6.13... |
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| 09:05.29 | wols_ | dustybin: confiyoure your dhclient.conf |
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| 09:05.37 | dustybin | thats the one :-) |
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| 09:06.48 | dustybin | wols_: im going to remove request 'domain-name' from dhclient.conf |
| 09:07.16 | dustybin | actually no |
| 09:07.27 | dustybin | that file has already commented out |
| 09:07.30 | dustybin | #require subnet-mask, domain-name-servers; |
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| 09:09.10 | dustybin | if im using bind9 at home, should i just point my routers name servers at my local box instead? |
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| 09:09.31 | dustybin | then bind9 will then route to the internet name servers? |
| 09:09.53 | dustybin | then i dont need to change anything in dhclient.conf |
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| 09:10.37 | joltcan | dustybin: w8 a sec |
| 09:11.24 | joltcan | dustybin: add supersede domain-name-servers ip; (and supersede domain-name "mynet"; if you want) to /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
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| 09:14.43 | dustybin | aye ok thanks ill try |
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| 09:22.05 | jerome | hi there, I'm installing lenny in a virtualbox vm, and I was wondering how to "stop" the mirror analysis. It seems to use http and I'd like to set it to ftp to work around our proxy. It seems it would never timeout ... |
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| 09:22.23 | OpenTokix | jerome: use expert mode |
| 09:22.39 | OpenTokix | jerome: then you get to select ftp or http or various other exotic protocols |
| 09:22.47 | elenril | what is the correct way to automount usb harddisk on boot |
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| 09:22.51 | gypsymauro | hello |
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| 09:23.21 | OpenTokix | elenril: I would put a label on the ext3 filesystem on the usb-disk - then just put LABEL=usbdisk /mount/pount etc. in fstab |
| 09:23.30 | jerome | OpenTokix: yep, I was just wondering how to "stop" the current action. Usually, I ask for a prompt using ctrl+alt+f1 but unfortunatly it doesn't work in vbox ;) |
| 09:23.30 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone know how to make an infiniband HCA inactive? |
| 09:23.34 | OpenTokix | elenril: Then you don't have to worry if the device changes |
| 09:23.39 | gypsymauro | I dunno where to ask this question, I'm using postfix & courier-imap on debian, they both save logs in /var/log/mail.log but I want to separate them there is a way to separate it? |
| 09:23.46 | OpenTokix | jerome: Just abort? |
| 09:23.53 | elenril | OpenTokix, i use /dev/disk/by-id anyway |
| 09:23.58 | OpenTokix | jerome: press the pretty little x in the top right corner |
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| 09:24.02 | OpenTokix | lenbust: uuid? |
| 09:24.08 | elenril | problem is, it's not available until udev has started |
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| 09:24.27 | jerome | OpenTokix: sure, but I'll to run all the install process till the proxy detection again. Anyway thanks. |
| 09:24.29 | OpenTokix | elenril: ok, but label is - afaik |
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| 09:26.05 | davidisko | hi guys, i have installed debian sid with 2.6.26-1 and system is detecting only 3.2gb ram instead of 4gb... any ideas? |
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| 09:26.51 | themill | davidisko: use the -686-bigmem kernel not just the -686 kernel |
| 09:26.54 | crashanddie | davidc, -bigmem |
| 09:27.01 | ShredZ | Does something purge /var/run/mysql upon a reboot ? I keep losing relay logs |
| 09:27.22 | OpenTokix | davidisko: it's the new taxes |
| 09:27.27 | OpenTokix | damn thoose taxes... |
| 09:27.46 | tralala | ShredZ, maybe you mean /var/log/mysql? |
| 09:27.53 | davidisko | wow.. |
| 09:27.57 | tralala | see if you have log rotation enabled |
| 09:28.00 | davidisko | thanx |
| 09:28.15 | tralala | i.e. check /var/log/mysql.[0-9]* |
| 09:28.25 | ShredZ | tralala, I don't |
| 09:28.48 | ShredZ | tralala, I mean /var/run/mysqld |
| 09:29.27 | oCrypticfrtune | ShredZ: /var/run/mysqld just has a pid and socket file, no logs... |
| 09:29.32 | tralala | ShredZ, /var/run/ contains no logs. This is file should be a daemon lock and should be recreated every time the service is restarted |
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| 09:31.46 | ShredZ | oCrypticfrtune, tralala it contains the relay logs from the mysql slave thread |
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| 09:32.22 | wols_ | themill: can it even use the full 4GB? |
| 09:32.56 | tralala | ShredZ, which debian? Perhaps that's a bug. /var/run/ isn't meant for logs |
| 09:33.00 | wols_ | themill: vga memory is always subtracted I think (Ă¼Ă¶us some other PCI mem mapped stuf) |
| 09:33.03 | themill | wols_: -bigmem kernels can (up to 64GB). That is 4GB less whatever shared memory devices take (usual caveats) |
| 09:33.13 | ShredZ | tralala, I just notice that it is a dotdeb package :/ |
| 09:33.14 | wols_ | themill: PAE? |
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| 09:33.54 | themill | wols_: aiui. but the 3.4GB limit is from the use of just normal highmem in the kernel. |
| 09:33.57 | tralala | ShredZ, I guess this explains everything |
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| 09:34.15 | porpoti | Have debian with dovecot + postfix installed, configured & working. I just can't send email to my account on server? help |
| 09:34.28 | oCrypticfrtune | tralala: i don't think he means human readable log files but like slave replication logs (which i've never used. couldn't say where debian puts those...) |
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| 09:35.08 | oCrypticfrtune | ShredZ: don't just take a .deb file from some random web page, install mysql through the normal debian aptitude/synapse installers |
| 09:35.53 | ShredZ | oCrypticfrtune, guess the line must have been left in sources.list by accident, I'll fix this |
| 09:36.33 | themill | dpkg: tell ShredZ about obsolete |
| 09:37.05 | themill | ShredZ: that, or "dpkg -l | grep dotdeb" might be a good thing to see what other dirty habits you've picked up |
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| 09:37.48 | tralala | oCrypticfrtune, even database logs shouldn't be written in /var/run imo |
| 09:38.23 | oCrypticfrtune | tralala: i agree. i'd suspect they end up in /var/lib/mysql along with everything else |
| 09:38.39 | tralala | yep, this sounds more like it |
| 09:42.52 | edcba | hi ! are there some resources on installing linux on phones ? |
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| 09:43.12 | napnap | hi all |
| 09:44.54 | napnap | I need some help, I've a server under debian etch and some password which conatains special char, like "ĂƒÂ©-ĂƒÂ &, but when I write it my char is not well displayed in the console, and when I write it in a file with nano, I can't execute it becuse sh believe it's a binary file |
| 09:45.20 | napnap | have you any workaround ? |
| 09:45.52 | khades | jfbterm may be? |
| 09:46.02 | khades | console havent unicode support |
| 09:46.18 | oCrypticfrtune | napnap: shouldn't all user passwords be run through crypt or md5 or some other crypto algorithm which will output all ascii anyway? |
| 09:46.19 | tralala | napnap, put #!/bin/sh as a first line in your file |
| 09:46.56 | themill | How does putting the password into a file help with anything anyway? and how would you try to execute a file that has a password in it? |
| 09:47.02 | edcba | indeed storing them as hashes seems a good solution :) |
| 09:47.41 | napnap | ...some app couldn't read hashes.. |
| 09:48.30 | themill | !wayttd napnap |
| 09:48.31 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, napnap? |
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| 09:49.10 | napnap | dpkg: set my ldap passwd to samba |
| 09:49.11 | dpkg | napnap: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 09:49.39 | napnap | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.53 | tralala | napnap, don't argue with dpkg: she's a bot |
| 09:50.38 | oCrypticfrtune | napnap: is that backwards? you mean make samba use ldap? (never heard of a ldap<->samba portal. sounds funky/scary) |
| 09:50.41 | napnap | yes lol :-| |
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| 09:53.58 | khades | does debian ports have any rus->eng dicts? |
| 09:54.09 | oCrypticfrtune | napnap: was that yes to me? if so, then i don't think you need to write a plaintext password anywhere. see "samba ldap" in google |
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| 09:56.11 | napnap | no I say yes to tralala, but yes I would use ldap with samba |
| 09:56.20 | themill | khades: apt-cache search russian|grep -i english |
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| 09:58.15 | napnap | I've found the problem, is my locale |
| 09:58.33 | napnap | now I can read file with special char without error |
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| 09:59.49 | napnap | and perhaps jfbterm can solve special char display in console |
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| 10:01.17 | napnap | thanks to all, all will be ok now, I wish. |
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| 10:03.55 | arj__ | can i increase the waiting time when a wrong password was entered (ssh) ? |
| 10:04.05 | arj__ | and ifyes, how? ;) |
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| 10:05.22 | tralala | arj__, if you're trying to escape from automated ssh brute force attacks, just change the ssh port to a non-standard one |
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| 10:05.48 | NeoIce | ++ |
| 10:05.52 | themill | or even better use something like fail2ban or denyhosts |
| 10:05.55 | NeoIce | does nexenta have fail2ban |
| 10:06.07 | themill | moving to a different port is little help |
| 10:06.49 | tralala | moving to a different port is a _huge_ difference. I've never had any brute force attempts on any of my ssh machines. |
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| 10:07.39 | mhymn | !shellter |
| 10:07.39 | dpkg | hmm... shellter is an iptables-based firewall. what sets it apart is that it has built-in ssh brute force protection. it also has an interactive CLI installer. http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/shellter |
| 10:07.40 | NeoIce | if someone's targetting you directly, fail2ban, denyhosts / allowhosts would handle it |
| 10:08.12 | themill | tralala: up until you get port scanned and $idiot identifies ssh on a different port (which I've seen a number of times) |
| 10:08.22 | NeoIce | I run nonstandard and I'm fine |
| 10:08.45 | NeoIce | I switched to 22 for 4 days and started getting scanned like mad |
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| 10:09.32 | themill | it helps, but it's only security by obscurity. Geez... next you'll tell me that windows is secure too because the black hats can't see the source code... |
| 10:09.38 | jerome | non standard is a brute response to "brute force" attacks. It can be annoying if your sysadmins forbid the usage of "non standard" ports |
| 10:09.42 | jelly | NeoIce: it's very likely you (and anyone else, really) have been scanned all the time |
| 10:09.46 | tralala | themill, that hasn't happend for a $number of years so I'd rather wait for a more complicated solution to be actually needed before implementing it |
| 10:09.59 | themill | tralala: aptitude install fail2ban is pretty easy |
| 10:10.19 | NeoIce | security by obscurity is a useful FACET of a secure system |
| 10:10.23 | tralala | themill, and it gets auto configured? |
| 10:10.30 | themill | tralala: yes |
| 10:10.36 | tralala | and it works with shorewall? |
| 10:10.49 | themill | tralala: nfc. it calls iptables commands directly |
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| 10:10.55 | NeoIce | use strong passwords, RSA keys, a firewall and good logging THEN change ports |
| 10:11.15 | darsie | My mrtg/snmp is broken. Shall I try to fix it or use something else? |
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| 10:12.06 | darsie | I am graphing traffic bandwidth with it. Traffic volume would be interesting, too. |
| 10:12.34 | tralala | themill, well, shorewall generates plenty of rules in a rather sophisticated fashion. I'd have to be hard pressed to risk locking myself out while solving a non-existent problem. |
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| 10:13.15 | tralala | NeoIce, I use RSA keys _only_, no root logins and non standard ports |
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| 10:13.43 | octoserver | why is the latest kernel still compiled with gcc 4,1 when 4.3 is the current one. I kind of expected at least 4.2 would be used ? |
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| 10:14.16 | themill | octoserver: 4.2 was a complete turkey for compiling kernels |
| 10:14.31 | octoserver | ahhh |
| 10:14.43 | iturk | hi there friends I am setting up a share using smb.conf. Right now I can access it using my Windows machine but I cannot write on it. Can someone help? |
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| 10:14.54 | octoserver | so 4,1 is still the only decent one as of yet ? |
| 10:15.01 | tralala | octoserver, the whole distro is compiled with the same gcc. It takes a significant effort to make everything compile that's why keeping up with the lastest gcc version is _not_ a priority |
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| 10:15.34 | tralala | iturk, a good tutorial can surely help |
| 10:15.50 | octoserver | i see, i just woondered why the gcc even get updated in the repos then ? |
| 10:15.54 | tralala | iturk, /msg dpkg samba |
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| 10:16.33 | tralala | octoserver, it's what we call a "progress" |
| 10:16.46 | iturk | tralala, which option did you want me to use |
| 10:16.48 | shyam_k | hi anyone know about the deb package for koha? |
| 10:16.50 | octoserver | maybe i should just delet all but gcc-4.1 so i dont have to keep changing CC ? |
| 10:16.51 | themill | tralala: no, the kernel in sid is still being compiled with 4.1 while the rest of sid is using 4.3. |
| 10:17.00 | shyam_k | koha- library management software..\ |
| 10:17.23 | tralala | octoserver, or maybe you should use stable instead of unstable? |
| 10:17.26 | iturk | tralala, i am following this link http://tldp.org/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO-7.html but is not solving the problem |
| 10:17.53 | tralala | iturk, I want you to read the dpkg factoid |
| 10:17.55 | shyam_k | i couldnt find it in repos.. |
| 10:17.58 | themill | octoserver: you still will. Only the default gcc package actually gives you /usr/bin/gcc -- the gcc-4.1 package will not give you /usr/bin/gcc as the gcc version is not managed through the alternatives system in that way. |
| 10:18.15 | octoserver | well, in my humble opinion, so far deb unstable is more stable than most other stable distros lol |
| 10:18.29 | iturk | tralala, what is factoid |
| 10:18.39 | tralala | !+tell iturk -about samba |
| 10:18.39 | dpkg | told iturk about samba. |
| 10:18.41 | tralala | this is |
| 10:19.08 | jelly | what does a +tell do compared to tell? |
| 10:19.19 | jelly | oh nm, I see |
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| 10:32.03 | FreakGuard | how to say about 50 machines to install a certain package? |
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| 10:32.27 | OpenTokix | FreakGuard: ssh-keys + script is the key =) |
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| 10:37.12 | anabain | does anyone know where are iceweasel cookies stored in debian? |
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| 10:37.46 | darsie | anabain: ~/mozilla/... or so |
| 10:38.21 | darsie | you might visit google and then grep -r google * or so. |
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| 10:39.59 | themill | anabain: ~/.mozilla/firefox/<profilename>/cookies.txt |
| 10:40.18 | anabain | ok, thanx all |
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| 10:40.49 | grand_grunt | Is it possible to free a DVD player with Debian tools? Mine is zone-locked, and there is one zone changing left.. |
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| 10:41.32 | grub | Hello, X just crashed, and in the error log, i see "Fatal server error: lockup" what does this mean? |
| 10:41.38 | grub | debian, lenny |
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| 10:42.51 | grub | I guess this is a known bug? |
| 10:43.24 | themill | grand_grunt: you can play DVDs of any region on a region-locked DVD drive using the tools in debian and debian-multimedia.org |
| 10:44.02 | themill | grand_grunt: /msg dpkg dvd playback |
| 10:44.34 | asarch | Hi guys, one stupid question: Is there any procedure to install Debian using *ANOTHER* operating system? Currently I have two operating systems on my laptop: NetBSD and Gentoo and I am having some troubles with Gentoo and I would like to replace it with Debian |
| 10:44.47 | grand_grunt | themill: thx |
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| 10:46.42 | anabain | themill, I just wanna clean my cookies from the command shell, instead of cleaning then through iceweasel. But removing cookies.txt in the dir you've indicated doesn't do the right thing. Any ideas? |
| 10:46.50 | asarch | Or... I could use Xen... |
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| 10:48.09 | grub | hmm, I guess this is a known bug. |
| 10:48.13 | themill | anabain: you'd have to delete that file when iceweasel was not running as it probably gets rewritten in the same way as the bookmarks file does. But that might be a copy of cookies anyway that's just left around for other applications that like to use the cookies file (like wget) |
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| 10:49.34 | anabain | themill, yes, but then, p.ex., how does iceweasel know if you have voted for something or not using cookies? Where is that info stored? |
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| 10:50.24 | jMCg | Hello happy people. |
| 10:50.33 | jMCg | Anyone here familiar with the Debian git package? |
| 10:50.49 | jMCg | I'm wondering why the daemon is running as root, even though it's binding on a high port. |
| 10:50.57 | jMCg | That doesn't make sense to me. |
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| 10:52.20 | themill | anabain: nfc. It's possible that cookies.txt is a copy of cookies that are stored in a binary db file somewhere else in the profile. It's possible it's the authoritative copy. I have no idea... you'll have to experiment or ask the firefox people. |
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| 10:54.12 | grand_grunt | themill: I still got an error while trying to read a DVD (and I have installed libdvdcss2 and everything needed). Should I change my DVD region? It has been set when the laptop was under Windows |
| 10:54.36 | themill | grand_grunt: no, you shouldn't need to change the region. What's the error? |
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| 10:55.54 | peterrus | hello |
| 10:56.03 | peterrus | how would I get debian lenny's default config? |
| 10:56.35 | tralala | which default config? |
| 10:57.01 | peterrus | the one that was used to build the kernel you get when installing lenny |
| 10:57.13 | tralala | peterrus, it's in /boot/ |
| 10:57.15 | peterrus | the kernel config that is, my vad |
| 10:57.19 | peterrus | my bad* |
| 10:57.20 | peterrus | k |
| 10:57.34 | peterrus | tralala, I see, thanks (; |
| 10:57.40 | tralala | peterrus, you're welcome |
| 10:58.00 | grand_grunt | themill: libdvdread: Error cracking CSS key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_1.VOB (0x00315e38)!! |
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| 10:58.25 | iix | how do i stop apache from starting after boot ? |
| 10:58.38 | nikolavp | man update-rc.d |
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| 10:59.08 | themill | grand_grunt: I've not had problems with css cracking under etch. (Used to with sarge though). Odd. |
| 10:59.21 | iix | i asked how i did not ask for the man. |
| 10:59.33 | themill | !fish |
| 10:59.34 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. Also the "Friendly Interactive SHell", a non-POSIX compatible replacement shell: http://fishshell.org |
| 10:59.39 | grand_grunt | themill: the DVD is for Region 1. I live in region 2. The DVD is set to 2. |
| 11:00.06 | themill | grand_grunt: I have quite a mixture of DVDs as I have lived in more than one region and I normally don't have problems. |
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| 11:00.48 | And1 | Hey there, how can I downgrade from sid to etch? |
| 11:00.55 | grand_grunt | themill: What is strange, is that I got a few "Get key for /VIDEO_TS/..." and then, one is not readable. |
| 11:01.09 | themill | And1: you can't.... /msg dpkg reinstall |
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| 11:01.30 | peterrus | And1, change you distribution type in sources.list and then do apt-get dist-upgrade. I might be wrong howerver |
| 11:01.31 | themill | grand_grunt: is the dvd scratched? |
| 11:01.49 | bsund | If I download weekly testing, do i get lenny or sid/lenny mix? |
| 11:01.49 | themill | peterrus: no, you are wrong, sorry. You can't downgrade. |
| 11:01.51 | danny_deb | hello, where i have to save the irssi themes? ist in /usr/lib/irssi ? |
| 11:01.58 | peterrus | themill, k |
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| 11:02.06 | grand_grunt | themill: A bit dirty. I clean it. |
| 11:02.06 | aleksanteri | danny_deb, iirc ~/.irssi/themes |
| 11:02.10 | And1 | danny_deb: ~/.irssi |
| 11:02.14 | bsund | because I don't want sid :) |
| 11:02.20 | danny_deb | okay thx |
| 11:02.41 | grub | this is an annoying bug, X won't start up :/ |
| 11:03.05 | themill | bsund: you'll get lenny only, but /etc/debian_version will say lenny/sid (/msg dpkg lenny/sid) |
| 11:03.22 | bsund | themill: ok, thanks |
| 11:03.57 | grand_grunt | themill: Now it's clean, and again the same error while reading. |
| 11:04.01 | themill | :( |
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| 11:04.18 | danny_deb | aleksanteri: my debian said.. "there is no list" if i want to go into the irssi list -> cd ~/irssi/ |
| 11:04.48 | aleksanteri | didn't really get it |
| 11:05.07 | grand_grunt | themill: If it's not readable, it's not ripable, I guess.. |
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| 11:05.56 | iix | how do i add a program to start after boot ? |
| 11:07.17 | grand_grunt | themill: Hey hey, life is beautifull, the DVD plays itself now. |
| 11:07.29 | iix | how do i add a program to start after boot ? |
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| 11:08.31 | Blast_Hardcheese | So I have a DP35DPM Intel mobo, GigE, but almost all the onboard devices are recognized as Unknown devices, would upgrading the kernel from 2.6.18 to 2.6.24 help? |
| 11:08.37 | themill | grand_grunt: hey ;) why? |
| 11:09.18 | grand_grunt | themill: Who knows? I have changed region, and now it works. I try DVDs of another region now :) |
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| 11:09.40 | grand_grunt | themill: And I've removed all ~/.dvdnav |
| 11:09.48 | nikolavp | iix: just read the man |
| 11:09.55 | iix | i did ? |
| 11:10.21 | iix | says i gotta add the file to /etc/init.d/foo but how ? |
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| 11:10.36 | iix | cp conky /etc/init.d/ ? |
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| 11:10.59 | And1 | What's wrong with "allow-hotplug eth0" in my /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 11:11.09 | Blast_Hardcheese | So I have a DP35DPM Intel mobo, GigE, but almost all the onboard devices are recognized as Unknown devices, would upgrading the kernel from 2.6.18 to 2.6.24 help? |
| 11:11.13 | iix | nikolavp am i right or wrong ? |
| 11:11.19 | nikolavp | no you are not |
| 11:11.23 | And1 | I just can't get a connection on eth0. =/ Even with manually setting it down and up again. |
| 11:11.56 | mjsr | And1, are you using gnome network manager ? |
| 11:12.13 | And1 | mjsr: I'm in my tty right now. |
| 11:12.23 | And1 | mjsr: And I don't use gnome network manager. |
| 11:12.44 | iix | pdate-rc.d: warning: /etc/init.d/conky missing LSB information |
| 11:12.55 | iix | if im wrong why u go quite and not help ? |
| 11:13.05 | mjsr | And1, did you remove that line and restarted networking ? |
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| 11:13.17 | And1 | mjsr: No. =) |
| 11:13.29 | mjsr | And1, try remove and plugin the cable while you read syslog.. what does it tell you ? |
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| 11:13.58 | iix | i need help . |
| 11:14.16 | And1 | mjsr: /var/log/syslog? |
| 11:14.36 | mjsr | iix, nobody here has the obligation of helping you. please just relax and wait. if nobody knows, nobody will answer. |
| 11:14.37 | iix | help |
| 11:14.41 | mjsr | And1, yes |
| 11:14.56 | And1 | mjsr: Well, it won't change if I open it in vim, will it? |
| 11:15.20 | iix | if nobody knows dont you think nobody should be here its just a question.. |
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| 11:16.52 | mjsr | And1, tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 11:17.05 | mjsr | so it "updates" the file as it is incremented |
| 11:17.13 | iix | ? |
| 11:17.14 | And1 | mjsr: ifup/ifconfig says all the time "link is not ready" - I'll try it, one moment. =) |
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| 11:17.38 | mjsr | did you try the cable on another computer? 90% is physical :P |
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| 11:17.47 | themill | dpkg: tell iix about startup |
| 11:18.12 | And1 | mjsr: There are no changes done to syslog. |
| 11:18.27 | And1 | If I plug the cable in and out and in and out... |
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| 11:19.00 | iix | themill doesnt help can u help me ? |
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| 11:20.00 | iix | ? |
| 11:20.11 | mjsr | And1, can you check man page for interfaces and see that that hotplug really do. if you can comment it and /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:20.29 | mjsr | And1, check the cable on the computer your on atm |
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| 11:23.02 | And1 | mjsr: If I comment it, ifup eth0/ifconfig eth0 up also say "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready"... =/ |
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| 11:23.20 | And1 | mjsr: manpage says, allow-hotplug is/does the same as auto. |
| 11:24.12 | berzerka | ah! i am unable to create an additional partition, fdisk tells me "No free sectors available" but that is nonsense. gparted shows 4/5 of the disk as being unallocated. |
| 11:24.31 | berzerka | shouldn't i be using fdisk? |
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| 11:24.43 | iix | how do i add a program to start after boot ? |
| 11:24.46 | mjsr | And1, can you try a live cd of a distro and check if eth0 is working or if you get the same issue? |
| 11:25.08 | And1 | mjsr: Yup, lemme do this. =) |
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| 11:25.28 | NeoIce | is there any open-source software I can use to simulate a large netowrk environment, ala a Cisco lab? |
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| 11:25.57 | berzerka | iix: create a runlevel-script for it and add it to the default runlevel (2) using update-rc.d or creating symlinks by hand. |
| 11:26.08 | mjsr | I believe, NeoIce , there is a linux distro that has the same behaviour as a cisco router.. but nothing as a lab, like packettracer or something |
| 11:26.50 | NeoIce | mjsr: yeah, I'm sure I could simulate a lab if I had say a dozen more machines, but I dont have the parts or the storage for that many... |
| 11:27.22 | iix | cheers |
| 11:27.25 | peterrus | does anyone know if debian has the squashfs-lzma patches built in somehow? |
| 11:27.30 | peterrus | or do I have to patch myself? |
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| 11:27.44 | iix | u help'ed me unlike those retards mjsr and themill dont know shit . |
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| 11:27.48 | iix | g'nite muhahaha |
| 11:28.25 | berzerka | oh. sorry guys, didn't read the log... |
| 11:28.25 | mjsr | NeoIce, virtualize ? |
| 11:28.46 | mjsr | berzerka, nevermind.. |
| 11:29.08 | NeoIce | mjsr: it would take a TON of magic to make that even moderately interesting |
| 11:29.30 | mjsr | you can bet :P |
| 11:29.32 | NeoIce | since all the virtual machines would likely share a NIC and connect through the same switch |
| 11:29.45 | NeoIce | I've thought about it and I even have a Sun box running for the zones |
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| 11:29.47 | mjsr | packettracer doesnt work with wine or something ? |
| 11:29.48 | NeoIce | <3<3 zones |
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| 11:30.04 | And1 | mjsr: Booted grml small, what to do now? |
| 11:30.21 | NeoIce | I assumed anything from Cisco would be pricey |
| 11:30.26 | abrotman | !ot |
| 11:30.26 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 11:30.55 | mjsr | sorry mate |
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| 11:31.37 | iturk | hi there friends I am having problems trying to access a share drive mounted has vfat on fstab! Can someone have a look at this - http://pastebin.com/d47c77cd2 |
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| 11:34.59 | elcuco | hi all, while installing the lenny snapshot, if i choose to install the servers packages the system fails to install grub at the end. |
| 11:35.13 | peterrus | where would I go to find out if debian has the squashfs-lzma patches in its kernel? |
| 11:35.29 | elcuco | i am now restarting the installer and i will only install the bases system and see if it happens |
| 11:35.47 | elcuco | is this a known issue of the installer or the grub package? |
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| 11:35.53 | tarzeau | peterrus: apt-cache search lzma modules |
| 11:36.14 | tarzeau | peterrus: err apt-cache search lzma squashfs, it doesn't |
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| 11:36.22 | tarzeau | peterrus: for debian-live, or why? |
| 11:36.37 | tarzeau | elcuco: on i386 or what? |
| 11:36.40 | peterrus | tarzeau, I want to use the linux-live scripts to make my own slax-alike debian live distro |
| 11:36.58 | peterrus | because debian-live doesnt have module support like linux-live |
| 11:36.59 | peterrus | I guess |
| 11:37.03 | tarzeau | peterrus: see its changelog it was in, but got removed because it wasn't gotten to working, see #debian-live |
| 11:37.11 | peterrus | k |
| 11:37.12 | tarzeau | peterrus: i would also like to use it |
| 11:37.14 | peterrus | will do |
| 11:37.22 | elcuco | tarzeau: i386, the tested machine is vmware, i used the default options for the installer except the mirror, which i am using a local one |
| 11:37.38 | tarzeau | elcuco: oh vmware, i'm not sure, but i think there was an issue with it |
| 11:37.39 | abrotman | peterrthe uh .. source? |
| 11:37.51 | abrotman | gives up |
| 11:38.03 | elcuco | tarzeau: it worked a few days ago when i used an encrypted lvm |
| 11:38.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: squashfs is there, but not with lzma support |
| 11:38.18 | abrotman | don't tell me .. don't really care |
| 11:38.25 | peterrus | tarzeau, that chan doesnt excist |
| 11:38.27 | peterrus | exist* |
| 11:38.34 | tarzeau | peterrus: it does, but on irc.debian.org |
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| 11:38.38 | peterrus | k |
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| 11:52.40 | FreakGuard | Ark tells me it can't open /dev/dsp. but imho the permissons are correct: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/84436/ |
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| 11:57.26 | abrotman | FreakGuard: output of "groups" ? |
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| 11:57.36 | abrotman | nevermind .. |
| 11:57.38 | abrotman | can't read |
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| 11:58.43 | FreakGuard | abrotman, :) |
| 11:58.52 | FreakGuard | any idea? |
| 11:59.19 | abrotman | i was going to ask if you've logged out/in since adding yourself to the audio group .. but i figured that was silly :) |
| 11:59.39 | FreakGuard | erm.... nevermind. |
| 11:59.48 | abrotman | ? |
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| 12:02.49 | FreakGuard | abrotman, surely there is no dsp, if there's no audio activated in vbox :D |
| 12:03.07 | abrotman | oh .. ok |
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| 12:05.51 | darkstego | why would my nfs share be converting all users to "nobody"? |
| 12:06.16 | Sofus2004 | I am trying to install another hdd on my debian box, the guides I have found refer to a tool called "fdisk" however when I execute the command I get a command not found, and when I try to install it (via apt-get) it says it dosent exist. What to do? :) |
| 12:06.51 | grub | Sofus2004, sudo fdisk |
| 12:07.08 | Sofus2004 | Thanks grub :) |
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| 12:08.13 | abrotman | grub: you do realize that not everyone has sudo .. right? |
| 12:08.25 | abrotman | wishes ubuntu users would stop giving sudo commands here |
| 12:09.01 | grub | abrotman, i am not an ubuntu user. I assumed he had sudo. |
| 12:09.08 | abrotman | stop |
| 12:10.07 | grub | abrotman, rather than accusing me, you could have told him the correct way? |
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| 12:10.15 | FreakGuard | sudo is quite nice. I'm using it on arch. |
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| 12:10.28 | abrotman | grub: he said thanks .. i figured he had it .. but don't assume they do |
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| 12:11.03 | grub | abrotman, sure ok |
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| 12:15.23 | Legality | does routers have their own IP address? |
| 12:15.33 | g00se | What's the best way to ensure that the user gets to see a terminal when they log in to X? |
| 12:16.49 | g00se | Legality: Usually yes, or they wouldn't be much use |
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| 12:17.15 | aantn | hello |
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| 12:17.55 | aantn | is checking for /etc/lsb-release enough to check if a system is debian or not? |
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| 12:19.18 | abrotman | Legality: they have two IPs .. one on each side |
| 12:19.24 | tralala | aantn, cat /etc/debian_version is |
| 12:19.29 | abrotman | Legality: but i don't think that's what you're asking about |
| 12:19.32 | aantn | tralala: thanks |
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| 12:19.39 | tralala | aantn, you're welcome |
| 12:20.24 | Legality | abrotman: and the inside IP is used as gateway for the subnet? |
| 12:20.29 | grand_grunt | Is it usefull to change /etc/debian_version before dist-upgrading to lenny? |
| 12:20.34 | Legality | world sees the outside ip? |
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| 12:20.58 | abrotman | Legality: it just has two IPs .. some routers, both sides are public .. ask ##networking |
| 12:21.06 | abrotman | grand_grunt: you don't change that |
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| 12:21.25 | tralala | grand_grunt, this file is not meant to be touched by the user |
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| 12:35.38 | jdrake | I am trying to get the cpu frequency monitor applet to work, but I just noticed that /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq does not exist. Is the default lenny kernel not built with the support or is it a module I have to load? |
| 12:36.58 | Eulex | it is a module |
| 12:37.08 | Eulex | you need a cpufreq driver for your cpu loaded |
| 12:37.20 | Eulex | for many, acpi-cpufreq will do |
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| 12:37.28 | Eulex | gamla_kossan, muh! |
| 12:37.38 | jberg | hey i tried to install sun-java6-jdk package, but i still dont have a javac compiler? |
| 12:37.42 | gamla_kossan | Eulex: bleh! |
| 12:37.45 | gamla_kossan | ^_^ |
| 12:38.11 | jdrake | Seems to improve things, but need a few more by th elooks of it |
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| 12:40.17 | Enigma | I'm switching from stable to testing. Can the change from MODULES=list to MODULES=most in the /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf break anything? What does it excatly do? |
| 12:40.23 | Knight_Lord | jberg ls /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-*/bin/javac |
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| 12:43.25 | jdrake | Eulex, thank you, the things seem to work |
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| 12:44.10 | Eulex | jdrake, you will also need a cpufreq governor to make stuff really work. |
| 12:44.28 | jdrake | I found a listing of a couple modules and when loaded, the menu is populated. |
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| 12:45.23 | jdrake | What should I look for to make fonts smaller besides the fonts listing in the appearance panel? It says '10' for the font size, but I am sure it is at least 12, maybe 14 right now. |
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| 12:48.19 | Trewas | jdrake: font sizes don't tell the physical (in pixels) font size directly because nowadays they want to mess things up with DPI setting |
| 12:48.59 | jdrake | Is there anything I can do to mess with that dpi setting? |
| 12:49.26 | Trewas | jdrake: so changing the DPI may give more reasonable font sizes... gnome's font setting dialog allows changing DPI at least |
| 12:49.40 | Trewas | I usually set it to 75 |
| 12:50.02 | NeoIce | where can I get sys/inttypes.h? |
| 12:50.04 | jdrake | I only see the font tab in appearance, nothing else for fonts. |
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| 12:50.37 | Trewas | jdrake: there's Details button in the fonts-tab |
| 12:50.45 | jdrake | so there is |
| 12:50.51 | jdrake | 107 dpi it is at |
| 12:50.54 | jdrake | That would explain it |
| 12:51.31 | Trewas | in theory it is good idea to use the real DPI, but in practice I have yet to see any benefit |
| 12:52.08 | jdrake | Now our ice weasel doesn't seem to pay any mind to that setting. |
| 12:53.32 | jelly | Trewas: 100% paper zoom in a word processor corresponds to actual paper size, for example |
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| 12:54.46 | jdrake | jelly, word processors are the way of the devil! LaTeX is the way to salvation! |
| 12:55.52 | jelly | jdrake: make it user friendly and I _might_ try it. Since I'm not writing scientific papers with lots of wigglies, there is no benefit for me |
| 12:56.12 | jdrake | How about LyX? |
| 12:56.19 | Trewas | the overall idea behind using DPI to scale the font sizes - all screens of the same physical size (14" for example) and same font size (10 points) gives same physical size (in millimetres) - is beyond stupid |
| 12:56.39 | yogahnee | with the coming release of lenny i am a little lost with the xen support that it will have can anybody hint me to some infos on that, 32/64bit dom0 domU support etc? |
| 12:56.52 | jelly | jdrake: it was crap the last time I tried it. In like 1999. |
| 12:57.04 | Trewas | that sure works nice when comparing old 14" CRT and a new 1680x1080 laptop LCD |
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| 12:57.38 | abrotman | jelly: i don't think that's quite right |
| 12:57.41 | jelly | Trewas: points are very useful when you have surfaces with 300+ DPI, like paper |
| 12:58.24 | Trewas | jelly: yes, but not with monitors :) |
| 12:58.24 | jdrake | Trewas, The way I understand it - the dpi is supposed to allow the fonts to maintain the same physical size regardless of resolution. |
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| 12:59.09 | jelly | Trewas: If I used a monitor with >= 150DPI, I'd probably switch to truetype fonts and forget about counting pixels |
| 12:59.53 | jelly | my monitors are now all 96DPI (incidentally, the windows 3.1 - XP default ;-) |
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| 13:00.45 | Trewas | jdrake: exactly, that's what my example tried to say... and that assumption IMO does not work well with different types of screens and how they are used |
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| 13:01.30 | jelly | yogahnee: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen (in short, run an etch dom0 and lenny domU, it seems; or at least the etch dom0 kernel) |
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| 13:01.38 | Trewas | like laptops can use smaller (physical) font sizes than a desktop, because the screen is closer |
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| 13:02.12 | jdrake | Trewas, it isn't closer here |
| 13:02.38 | NeoIce | is there a way to check for pacakges you arent using, ie libraries and such |
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| 13:03.53 | abrotman | NeoIce: deborphan .. be careful if you use aptitude |
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| 13:04.29 | abrotman | NeoIce: read the man page for deborphan to understand what it does and what it's going to show you (and understand that aptitude intsalls recommends by default, and removes packages when nothing else wants them) |
| 13:05.00 | jdrake | merci pour l'aide. |
| 13:05.10 | NeoIce | eh, I'll just grep my bash history into a file and uninstall garbage when my disk usage gets a bit lower |
| 13:05.12 | Trewas | http://www.gnome.org/~federico/news-2007-01.html <- I think that was a nice article about DPI-setting / font-size, too bad gnome has not gone to that direction |
| 13:05.37 | abrotman | NeoIce: that's silly |
| 13:06.13 | NeoIce | why? I'm installing loads of stuff just so I can get a build to work |
| 13:06.30 | NeoIce | and disk space isnt readily available |
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| 13:09.35 | abrotman | what are you building? |
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| 13:15.50 | khades | is there anything like freedoom but for quake1? |
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| 13:19.18 | sabayonlive-2629 | i get compile error when i try to makefile a wireless ralink source |
| 13:19.55 | sabayonlive-2629 | "can't find /kernel2.6.18-6amd/build " |
| 13:20.45 | sabayonlive-2629 | so i instaled build essentials and tried again ... didn't work either |
| 13:21.10 | sabayonlive-2629 | anyone get a clue ? |
| 13:22.00 | sabayonlive-2629 | this is a common error in ralink ... and in a forum people said that i need an extra file to compile, but they didn't say which |
| 13:22.01 | esteel | sabayonlive-2629: just an idea, not enough time to think to much about it.. do you have the kernel headers installed? |
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| 13:22.49 | sabayonlive-2629 | esteel: well depends ... if it cames with debian etch by default than yes |
| 13:23.01 | jdrake | For cpu frequency selection I get this from cpufreq-info, available frequency steps: 2.00 GHz, 1.60 GHz, 1.33 GHz, 1.07 GHz, 800 MHz yet the current policy is current policy: frequency should be within 2.00 GHz and 2.00 GHz. How can I change that policy? |
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| 13:23.21 | esteel | sabayonlive-2629: there is an package for the headers.. not sure if its installed by default. i think not |
| 13:23.46 | sabayonlive-2629 | esteel: how can i get it, if my internet isn't working |
| 13:24.04 | esteel | how did you install it then? :) |
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| 13:24.17 | sabayonlive-2629 | esteel: i have a debian cd number 1 |
| 13:24.23 | sabayonlive-2629 | esteel: does the cd have it ? |
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| 13:26.19 | sabayonlive-2629 | anyone knows where can i get debian kernel headers ? |
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| 13:27.58 | sabayonlive-2629 | esteel: estell if i get ndiswrapper and use it , it will work ? |
| 13:28.07 | themill | sabayonlive-2629: you can download the package directly from packages.debian.org |
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| 13:28.29 | zamba | you have wake on lan, do you have shutdown on lan? :) |
| 13:29.48 | jelly | zamba: you do. The command to run is something like "ssh remotemachine sudo s2disk" |
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| 13:30.10 | jelly | s/s2disk/poweroff/ if you're not going to hibernate :-) |
| 13:31.55 | jelly | jdrake: inspect the stuff in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/ |
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| 13:32.07 | esteel | sabayonlive-2629: never used ndiswrapper, sorry. and maybe its on the cd.. try aptitude search headers |
| 13:32.37 | jelly | jdrake: if you don't like to do it manually, you can use wrappers like the ones found in cpufrequtils, cpufreqd or some other package |
| 13:32.39 | jdrake | scaling_min_freq was set to 2000000, by changing to root I can change it to 800000. However, I would like to ensure that it contains 800000 on startup. How might be the best way to do this? |
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| 13:33.04 | abrotman | change where? |
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| 13:33.20 | jdrake | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.32 | abrotman | /etc/sysctl.conf perhaps? |
| 13:33.33 | jelly | jdrake: I installed and configured cpufreqd. It's probably an overkill, but it works |
| 13:33.47 | jelly | abrotman: sysctl doesn't deal with /sys :-) |
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| 13:34.13 | abrotman | i wasn't sure if that had changed with newer kernels |
| 13:34.26 | jdrake | I wonder if cpufreqd might be the problem |
| 13:34.36 | jelly | it would have to change with a newer sysctl, not newer kernel |
| 13:35.23 | sabayonlive-2629 | esteel: i think you are right the problem is the headers ... |
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| 13:35.38 | sabayonlive-2629 | does debian cd 1 have kernel headers ? |
| 13:35.53 | abrotman | look .. apt-cache search linux-headers |
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| 13:38.07 | sabayonlive-2629 | abrotman: man can you look it for me ? i am not using debian right now ... |
| 13:38.37 | abrotman | man .. look yourself |
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| 13:38.43 | abrotman | !tell sabayonlive-2629 about cd contents |
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| 13:44.57 | Jet_Li | dfd |
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| 13:45.44 | Jet_Li | ds |
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| 13:46.34 | Jet_Li | alguem ja configurou 2 servers DHCP na mesma rede? |
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| 13:47.28 | abrotman | !es |
| 13:47.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 13:49.51 | asmarin | where i cand find freenx for debian lenny amd64? |
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| 13:51.32 | asmarin | abrotman: this was portuguese not spanish :-P |
| 13:52.21 | abrotman | asmarin: oh .. it was .. doh! |
| 13:52.31 | abrotman | asmarin: i don't think you can .. freenx isn't in debian last i knew |
| 13:52.49 | asmarin | i use it on ubuntu, but for debian...well i dont use yet |
| 13:52.57 | asmarin | im looking for a real repository for install it |
| 13:53.02 | asmarin | instead compile source |
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| 13:54.08 | asmarin | on freenx web put http://packages.debianbase.de/ but this doesnt show nothing about that :-S |
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| 13:55.21 | screamingbytes | mornin all |
| 13:55.55 | screamingbytes | is it me or does synaptic install large amounts of packages signifigantly slower than just plain apt-get |
| 13:56.07 | screamingbytes | if so, is there anyway to speed it up |
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| 13:56.53 | wols | screamingbytes: apt/dpkg can be ram intensive |
| 13:57.03 | wols | synaptic uses moreram on its own already |
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| 13:57.40 | abrotman | asmarin: did you ask #nx .. i'm really pretty sure it's not in debian |
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| 13:57.47 | asmarin | yeah sure |
| 13:57.54 | asmarin | but the question is: WHY? |
| 13:57.59 | abrotman | why isn't it? |
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| 13:58.12 | abrotman | because you didn't package it? |
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| 13:58.27 | asmarin | :-P ok |
| 13:58.47 | screamingbytes | wols: ok, ty ill do some comparisons, but its the bps that im watching |
| 13:58.48 | trochala | Hello :) Is there an adobe debian repository to install acrobat reader? |
| 13:58.54 | wols | I thought nomachines has a nx deb |
| 13:59.02 | abrotman | must be a legal reason .. there's no WNPP for it either |
| 13:59.08 | wols | !tell trochala aboout dmm |
| 13:59.17 | wols | abrotman: it's DFSG incompatible |
| 13:59.20 | badcfe | if one is to choose between two software packages doing pretty much the same, but where one is portable among many other systems and the other is developed specifically for debian (and therefore simpler), what would be choosen? |
| 13:59.28 | abrotman | wols: right .. legal reason :) |
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| 13:59.53 | wols | trochala: debian comes with pdf readers already. better ones than acrobat |
| 14:00.04 | wols | trochala: use evince for example |
| 14:00.19 | badcfe | if debian would choose the latter i think its evil |
| 14:00.24 | wols | !tell trochala about dmm |
| 14:00.37 | screamingbytes | wols: tks, ill brb, I think i have a piece of ram i can add, then ill start comparisons. |
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| 14:01.00 | trochala | wols, thanks :) |
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| 14:01.14 | jdrake | Does debian have a launcher for installing deb packages without having to do dpkg -i? |
| 14:01.37 | wols | jdrake: usually we use synaptic or another apt frontend |
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| 14:01.39 | zamba | in what file can i find the user expire information? |
| 14:01.52 | wols | zamba: what expire info? users don't expire |
| 14:01.57 | wols | hopefully |
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| 14:02.03 | jdrake | wols, are you familiar with the thing ubuntu comes with? I wonder if that might be available, but I do not know its name. |
| 14:02.05 | zamba | password expire then, probably |
| 14:02.09 | newsense | jdrake: gdebi i think is one |
| 14:02.16 | asmarin | WTF! i dont see freenx is NX not FREENX |
| 14:02.17 | wols | jdrake: gdebi. probably not in etch |
| 14:02.19 | asmarin | dammmmm |
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| 14:02.36 | jdrake | Luckily I am in lenny |
| 14:02.59 | wols | asmarin: english please.you make no sense |
| 14:03.13 | zamba | wols: ah, the shadow file |
| 14:03.48 | jdrake | Now, if in synaptic that I add downloaded packages and specify the desktop which contains AdobeReader_enu-8.1.2_SU1-1.i386.deb how do I actually go to select it now? I cannot find it with search. |
| 14:04.37 | wols | jdrake: downloaded debs don*t show up in synaptic.but why'd you want acrobat in the first place? |
| 14:04.40 | wols | it's shit |
| 14:05.01 | newsense | wols: i agree :p total shit |
| 14:05.02 | jdrake | wols, because it works better than evince for me. |
| 14:05.18 | themill | jdrake: do you use comments and annotations extensively? |
| 14:05.19 | wols | ever tried to print a pdf with it? good luck |
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| 14:05.36 | jdrake | I can never get evince to show me the table of contents. Printing pdfs is wonderful. |
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| 14:06.16 | jdrake | wols, there is an option to add downloaded packages in the file menu. If they wouldn't show up after that, what is the purpose of that menu item? |
| 14:06.22 | jdrake | themill, never. |
| 14:06.33 | themill | jdrake: then you'll find kpdf, okular, evince are all much better at handling most pdfs than acroread. |
| 14:07.05 | themill | jdrake: but if you really want acroread, then use the debian-multimedia.org packages |
| 14:07.18 | wols | jdrake: why can't you add dmm to your repos if you are wedded to acrobat? |
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| 14:07.36 | wols | jdrake: where did you download this .deb? |
| 14:07.42 | jdrake | From adobe. |
| 14:08.02 | jelly | uses packages from dmm |
| 14:08.04 | wols | I do not support adĂ³be.com shit especially if tehre are repos with thesoftware |
| 14:08.15 | jelly | ĂƒÂ³? |
| 14:08.17 | wols | !tell jdrake about dmm |
| 14:09.54 | themill | or just use dpkg -i ffs.... why stress about this for 10 minutes |
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| 14:10.55 | And1 | Hey there, how can I configure wep options? |
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| 14:11.26 | themill | And1: in /etc/network/interfaces (man 7 wireless) or using network-manager |
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| 14:12.09 | And1 | themill: I'll take a look at the manpage, I'll ask again, if I don't understand something, thanks so far. :) |
| 14:12.30 | wols | And1: but you know about wep,right? |
| 14:12.39 | drg_ | hello, is there PAE support in any of the i686 kernels in Etch ? |
| 14:12.46 | themill | !bigmem |
| 14:12.46 | dpkg | -bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub 1GB limit. |
| 14:12.51 | wols | dpkg: yes |
| 14:12.51 | dpkg | really??? wohoo! |
| 14:12.53 | And1 | wols: What you mean? |
| 14:12.53 | tralala | And1, I'd use wpasupplicant for wep as well - it's convinient. |
| 14:13.07 | wols | And1: wep is useless. breakable in 5 minutes |
| 14:13.12 | And1 | tralala: Ah, would be nice to know, how to do that, I use wpasupplicant as well. |
| 14:13.23 | wols | And1: use wpa instead |
| 14:13.26 | drg_ | whoo, thanks bot |
| 14:13.31 | And1 | wols: Yeah, I'm here at my friends' and he uses wep. -.- |
| 14:13.32 | tralala | And1, see the examples in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/ |
| 14:13.40 | And1 | wols: He also uses windows. ;) |
| 14:13.42 | wols | And1: kick him.hard :P |
| 14:14.19 | And1 | wols: I always tell him not to use that stuff but well... ;D |
| 14:14.46 | And1 | tralala: I'll take a look at it, thanks. :) |
| 14:16.05 | And1 | tralala: Can I also write these settings in my interfaces file? There are my wpa settings too. =) |
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| 14:18.07 | tralala | And1, you put the settings in /etc/wpa_supplicant/ and in interfaces you put a line wpa-conf |
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| 14:19.32 | And1 | tralala: And how do I start wlan0 with wep instead of wpa then? |
| 14:19.45 | And1 | Or should I comment my wpa settings? |
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| 14:21.51 | tralala | And1, use named interfaces. They are explained in man interfaces. |
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| 14:24.43 | And1 | tralala: You mean e.g. "map HOME wlan0-home"? |
| 14:25.09 | tralala | no |
| 14:25.41 | tralala | this is for automatic network discovery, I mean manual network selection |
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| 14:28.33 | nico8481 | hello |
| 14:28.51 | nico8481 | may i ask what package contains the "sha1sum" command? |
| 14:30.06 | tralala | nico8481, do you have this command or you're looking to install it? |
| 14:30.19 | nico8481 | looking to install it |
| 14:30.44 | nico8481 | on macosx though, but using apt-get so i guess the package name should be the same as on debian |
| 14:31.17 | tralala | that's probably too optimistic of a guess |
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| 14:31.43 | tralala | it's in coreutils |
| 14:32.08 | nico8481 | thanks |
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| 14:33.02 | nico8481 | indeed, it was too optimistic :p |
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| 14:34.59 | hulatang | in firewall rull, of I want block 66.44.*.* what should I specify 66.44.0.0/24 ? |
| 14:35.18 | tralala | /16 |
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| 14:35.50 | et | the number after / is the number of non-"wildcard"-bits |
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| 14:36.47 | abrotman | !tell hulatang about iptables |
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| 14:39.06 | pif | hi, is there a tool to extract all images from a PDF in debian? |
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| 14:42.35 | magyar_ | hi, how can i mount a linux raid partition? |
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| 14:42.48 | magyar_ | mount: unknown filesystem type 'mdraid' |
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| 14:43.15 | abrotman | pif: you can convert it to an image if that helps |
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| 14:43.28 | tralala | magyar, read some raid howto |
| 14:43.43 | pif | abrotman: in xpdf-utils there is a pdfimages thingie |
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| 14:44.58 | magyar_ | mount -t ext3 < worked |
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| 14:47.16 | And1 | tralala: Where can I find examples for using wpa-supplicant in my interfaces file? Well, my wpa is already configure there, but now I have added manual interfaces and I don't know how to go on. =) |
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| 14:48.23 | liable | And1: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/ |
| 14:48.23 | grub | And1, /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/ |
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| 14:50.19 | tralala | And1, http://rafb.net/p/K4x5u463.html |
| 14:52.53 | danners_ | how long was etch frozen before its release? |
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| 14:53.11 | abrotman | 42 |
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| 14:53.41 | tralala | and counting |
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| 14:54.05 | dasickis | hey |
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| 14:55.04 | dasickis | xgamma for me isn't working, i'm trying to use it in VMWare |
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| 14:55.19 | themill | danners_: a long time. There were problems starting up security support for etch which delayed release |
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| 14:58.36 | And1 | tralala: Thanks, Irealla understood that, but I wanted to know, how to write the single options, whic are in the wpa.conf file in the interfaces file. You know, what I mean? |
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| 14:58.48 | danners_ | themill: okay thanks |
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| 14:59.53 | pogay | I installed a lenny with debootstrap, and I like to custom it with the "normal" debian-installer (localisation...). How can I invoke this installer? |
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| 15:01.32 | themill | pogay: I'm guessing you want to run tasksel |
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| 15:04.05 | pogay | themill: I called tasksel now, might be what I looked for, thanks. |
| 15:04.14 | tralala | And1, I told you already: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/. It has examples for everything (wep included). Just copy an example and change it according to your needs |
| 15:05.34 | And1 | The options aren't the same in a .conf file and in interfaces... e.g. in wpa.conf "key_mgmt=" and in interfaces "wpa-key-mgmt"... |
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| 15:07.56 | tralala | And1, put them in the .conf file |
| 15:08.26 | Duddle | hi everybody! I've once read of a tool for some distribution that would analyse what programs you start often and then decrease the loading-time by preloading some stuff... does anyone know what I'm talking about? I cannot seem to find it again |
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| 15:08.59 | alturiak | vista |
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| 15:11.04 | Duddle | ok, I just found it... it's called "preload" *doh* |
| 15:11.08 | dbmoodb | alturiak: hala vista ? |
| 15:11.23 | JeffH | anyone here use postfix/amavis? Has amavis been stopping lately? Mine has. |
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| 15:12.53 | pogay | themill: don't know, with tasksel I could install some packages, but I'm looking for the tool to select langage Countries, Keyboards (Steps, when it's installed for an installation medium). |
| 15:13.53 | themill | pogay: ah... don't think you can get back to that stuff. |
| 15:14.27 | themill | pogay: /msg dpkg locales ; /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 15:15.31 | pogay | themill: yeah, I' didn't find it either. o.k. try like this. |
| 15:15.47 | And1 | tralala: That's what I want: http://andete.blogspot.com/2007/01/debian-wifi-wpa-supplicant-and.html |
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| 15:20.39 | V4Nelle | guys how can i disable update manager ?i have disable it from preferences but it appear again...... |
| 15:21.07 | cahoot | V4Nelle: debian? |
| 15:21.30 | V4Nelle | yeap.... |
| 15:22.32 | shyam_k` | V4Nelle: is it about the update notifier icon coming in the panel? |
| 15:22.48 | V4Nelle | yeap....that i mean |
| 15:23.03 | shyam_k` | that you can disable at system->preference->sessions in gnome.. |
| 15:23.17 | shyam_k` | so that it wont get start up at every log in |
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| 15:24.00 | V4Nelle | thx shyam_k` ...it works :) |
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| 15:25.49 | hdevalence | I put a computer into storage over the summer and it now no longer recognizes my ethernet, although I can still see it using lspci. How do I get it to be recognized / How do I find if it still works? |
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| 15:27.09 | peppe | hdevalence: look in dmesg for errors or info |
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| 15:27.30 | alekss | hello , i'd like to try out kde 4.1...how do i install it? im running debian testing... |
| 15:27.50 | shyam_k | sorry connection problem.. |
| 15:27.57 | themill | dpkg: tell alekss about kde4 |
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| 15:28.32 | dasickis | does anyone know about xgamma? |
| 15:28.47 | alekss | themill, thanks a lot |
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| 15:32.23 | hdevalence | peppe: alright, so it sees it as via ethernet blahblah and then it says "eth1: link down" and "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready" |
| 15:32.55 | peppe | hdevalence: is the cable plugged in? |
| 15:33.21 | peppe | maybe it's broken |
| 15:33.26 | alekss | themill, is it safe to install by those backports? |
| 15:33.34 | alekss | themill, is it safe to install kde by those backports? |
| 15:33.56 | themill | alekss: I've not done so... perhaps. You might do better asking in #debian-kde. |
| 15:34.05 | vlt | Hello. What is a good way to allow a remote user to connect via ssh and use its port forwarding functions but NOT give him a shell? |
| 15:34.08 | alekss | ok thanks |
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| 15:34.39 | hdevalence | peppe: well it seems to now be regocnized be ifconfig which it wasn't before i rebooted for some reason... I think i'll do some more poking to make sure I haven't forgotten some obvious ting |
| 15:34.49 | hdevalence | thing |
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| 15:40.13 | shyam_k | ATTN: Language/Localisation People: In association with SFD,we are trying to make a handbook for non-techie home users about setting up language tools and localised versions,Is there any such documentation done by other language teams?or some kind of template or category of things, which people found to be standard things that home users require and _standard_ way to do it? |
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| 15:45.03 | holycow | hey guys |
| 15:45.05 | rootmos | what does redirect mean in the messages? Is there someone trying to do some routing trick on me? |
| 15:46.10 | rootmos | nevemind found it google |
| 15:46.31 | holycow | i have a box i'm sending out with a two nics, regular cable nic and a wireless |
| 15:46.44 | holycow | i want the wiereless to be inactive by default on boot and only the regular nic to come up |
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| 15:47.04 | holycow | because this will force the users to request wireless from us |
| 15:47.07 | Skaperen | holycow: which nic is the wireless one? |
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| 15:47.52 | holycow | ath0 is wireless one eth0 is nic |
| 15:48.01 | holycow | sorry had to check :) |
| 15:48.18 | holycow | what is the best way of not having the wireless one come up automatically and allowing only root to enable it later? |
| 15:48.41 | Skaperen | holycow: are you talking about a normal nic that the user plugs a wireless router into? or a pseudo-nic that has the wireless built-in but looks like a nic to the driver? |
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| 15:49.07 | holycow | normal nic, two separate devices |
| 15:49.10 | holycow | physical devices |
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| 15:49.32 | Skaperen | holycow: so which nic do they plug the wireless into? |
| 15:50.38 | holycow | well i'm not sure what that question means |
| 15:50.50 | Skaperen | holycow: there are 2 nics, right? |
| 15:50.55 | holycow | yep |
| 15:50.59 | holycow | two physical devices |
| 15:51.05 | Skaperen | holycow: 2 physical nic ports to plug a wireless router into? |
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| 15:51.17 | holycow | what do you mean plug a wireless router into? |
| 15:51.22 | holycow | 1 wireless nice |
| 15:51.24 | holycow | nic |
| 15:51.28 | holycow | 1 wired nic |
| 15:51.41 | holycow | basically a normal desktop |
| 15:51.45 | Skaperen | holycow: they gotta plug it in, right? you said so |
| 15:51.53 | holycow | no no |
| 15:51.57 | holycow | everything is installed |
| 15:52.23 | Skaperen | holycow: oh, so you plug the wireless router into the nic when you install it at their house? |
| 15:52.23 | holycow | i just want the wiereless to be disabled by default on boot so restricted users cannot browse wireless networks without asking us for permission |
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| 15:52.36 | holycow | Skaperen: no, its all installed now |
| 15:52.42 | holycow | we are sending it preconfigured |
| 15:53.03 | Skaperen | you aren't going to be there in person? sounds like they can change it on you |
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| 15:53.23 | holycow | Skaperen: no |
| 15:53.29 | dudeman | rahul, ping |
| 15:53.34 | holycow | the system is being sent 4000 km accross the country |
| 15:53.58 | Skaperen | holycow: what are you trying to prevent? access to ANYTHING on the WLAN, or access THROUGH the WLAN to the internet? |
| 15:54.16 | holycow | Skaperen: i want ath0 to be OFF by default |
| 15:54.17 | holycow | thats it |
| 15:54.27 | Skaperen | holycow: do you plug the wireless router into the nic BEFORE shipping it 4000km or AFTER? |
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| 15:54.35 | webPragmatist | hey i'm not understanding how to fix this bug... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404911 |
| 15:54.40 | holycow | i can restrict access to applications but thats the wrong way to do it |
| 15:54.55 | holycow | Skaperen: well you don't plug a wireless router into anything first of all |
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| 15:55.03 | holycow | second its a wireless router, i'm not sure what difference it makes |
| 15:55.10 | webPragmatist | I add ^A-Za-z0-9_ -. to my chars_to_quote |
| 15:55.20 | V4Nelle | guys where can i find messages which appear on Power off? |
| 15:55.20 | holycow | i need the ath0 nic off by default, any idea on the best method of doing this? |
| 15:55.40 | Skaperen | holycow: my wireless router is plugged in ... otherwise all it can do is talk to other wireless |
| 15:55.53 | Skaperen | holycow: don't turn it on ... simple |
| 15:56.00 | holycow | don't turn what on? |
| 15:56.03 | holycow | are you kidding? |
| 15:56.09 | webPragmatist | anyone know how to fix this "Fatal Error: New quoting requirements!" in rdiff-backup? |
| 15:56.10 | Skaperen | holycow: the port |
| 15:56.11 | holycow | ath0 comes on automagically |
| 15:56.21 | Skaperen | holycow: change that in the script configs |
| 15:56.33 | holycow | aha which ones control this ? |
| 15:56.53 | Skaperen | holycow: what prevents the person who gets it frm just switching the connection? |
| 15:57.05 | holycow | by virtue of the fact they are restri cted? |
| 15:57.19 | holycow | this is unix afterall |
| 15:57.28 | holycow | truly multiuser os, yes? |
| 15:57.44 | Skaperen | holycow: I'd have to look at the scripts to see which one ... I'm too lazy to look (read: sounds to me like you are in business to make money, so I will have to charge money to do it for you) |
| 15:58.06 | holycow | lol |
| 15:58.15 | holycow | i'd pay you if you knew what you were talking about :) |
| 15:58.18 | holycow | hehe i mean that nicely |
| 15:58.38 | holycow | anyway it's really not here or there i can google this, i thought there was a quickie answer |
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| 16:02.57 | jhamlin | dpkg's info for "pinning" needs to be updated since http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian is no longer active... |
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| 16:06.15 | hoxu | hmr, stability of ftp.fi.debian.org and ftp.jyu.fi debian mirror could be better :( |
| 16:06.35 | hoxu | sources.list should support transparent redundancy in mirrors |
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| 16:07.59 | forngren | Hi, I managed to delete my /etc/bind folder, how can I restore the (default) content? Thanks |
| 16:08.04 | shyam_k | is there any languages supported in tty1-7 other than english,that too those who having complex script(things like letters joining together to form a third one) |
| 16:08.07 | hoxu | !tell forngren about confmiss |
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| 16:08.56 | forngren | thank you |
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| 16:10.53 | jdrake | I am copying a few gigabytes from my usb harddrive to the system drive, and the system has gotten sluggish. It is in a way that I have not seen when doing the same thing with ubuntu. Is there a setting that might relieve this? Harddrive is sata. |
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| 16:13.44 | hoxu | !tell jdrake about latencytop |
| 16:14.00 | vlt | Hello. I want to disable any access to a LUKS formatted device. I ran `cryptsetup luksKillSlot /dev/sda2 0` and got "WARNING! ======== This is the last keyslot. Device will become unusable after purging this key. Are you sure? (Type uppercase yes):". Because this is exactly what I want I typed "YES" but then got "Enter any remaining LUKS passphrase:". Entering slot 0's pw results in "No remaining key available with this passphrase. Command failed." How to del |
| 16:14.03 | hoxu | jdrake, might help, it's in since lenny |
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| 16:16.03 | Barbaros | hi all. where can I download Lenny Beta2 Gnome version? |
| 16:16.20 | jdrake | Just installed it, will see how it works. |
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| 16:17.58 | jdrake | Please enable the CONFIG_LATENCYTOP configuration in your kernel. |
| 16:18.23 | jelly | it's kernel compiling time! |
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| 16:19.56 | jdrake | jelly, not a fan of that |
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| 16:25.03 | Barbaros | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ from here which one is the gnome version? |
| 16:25.38 | jdrake | That is what I am running from now Barbaros |
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| 16:26.06 | Barbaros | did you use CD-1.iso ? |
| 16:26.41 | jdrake | yes |
| 16:26.42 | jdrake | only that cd |
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| 16:26.52 | Barbaros | ok, so that's the gnome version |
| 16:26.56 | jdrake | Now I had to use a network cable afterwards to get wireless going. |
| 16:27.00 | jdrake | Yes |
| 16:27.03 | V4Nelle | yeap Barbaros |
| 16:27.10 | Barbaros | thanks |
| 16:27.11 | jdrake | You may have to install gnome manually after though |
| 16:27.14 | jdrake | I did |
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| 16:27.44 | jdrake | Even though I selected 'Desktop' in the task selector. |
| 16:28.14 | Barbaros | hmmm, maybe there is another section for gnome |
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| 16:28.43 | Barbaros | it doesn't look like net install cd, it's 646MB |
| 16:29.53 | jdrake | You can install gnome from the cd, I am just saying that I had to do it manually after install. |
| 16:30.56 | Barbaros | isn't there an option to install gnome during installation? |
| 16:31.13 | maligor | depends on if you define tasksel as a part of install or not |
| 16:31.59 | maligor | the desktop option should install gnome tho |
| 16:32.23 | Barbaros | jdrake says the other way |
| 16:32.37 | jdrake | It should, I am just saying my personal experience. |
| 16:33.24 | Barbaros | ok. |
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| 16:35.35 | V4Nelle | guys debian testing(fresh install) show me a error about gdm on power off.....but i cant find it on /var/log....any help? |
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| 16:36.01 | mxmx | hi |
| 16:36.33 | mxmx | whats the command zip a folder and recurse its subdirectories? i wanna back up a site |
| 16:36.38 | peppe | mxmx: man zip |
| 16:37.05 | mxmx | > |
| 16:37.07 | mxmx | ? |
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| 16:37.19 | mxmx | i have zip |
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| 16:39.33 | cahoot | mxmx: he pointed you ti its man page i e manual |
| 16:39.53 | mxmx | where s the link? |
| 16:40.12 | mxmx | dpkg must be asleep |
| 16:40.12 | cahoot | mxmx: typ man zip in a terminal |
| 16:40.13 | dpkg | mxmx: bugger all, i dunno |
| 16:40.32 | mxmx | rgr |
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| 16:47.59 | Ian_Daniher | how would I attach to a new screen session and make a new tab on attachment? |
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| 16:48.29 | Ian_Daniher | I'm doing a bit of hacking to get all of my vterms(individual xterm windows) connected to the same screen session |
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| 16:56.26 | forngren | I have installed bind9, but I dunno how to configure it properly |
| 16:56.36 | forngren | speed, security, resolv etc |
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| 16:58.29 | danih | hey guys, is there a covenient way of changing the system language once you've finished the installation? |
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| 17:00.43 | Kovensky | I'm having problems with update-grub since I updated linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 to 2.6.26-4 |
| 17:00.51 | Kovensky | it always fail with value 139 or 1 |
| 17:00.52 | rgsteele||work | So, when you install a source package, if you simply run ./configure, does that create the same Makefile that the binary version was created with? |
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| 17:01.13 | Led_Zeppelin | when using unrar how can you extract subdirectories too? |
| 17:01.23 | rgsteele||work | And, if you want to change anything, you just change the configure.in ? |
| 17:01.43 | Kovensky | everytime I install another package, linux-image is reconfigured and it is burning my flash disk D: |
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| 17:03.22 | cahoot | Kovensky: as a temporary measure - edit /etc/kernel_img.conf |
| 17:03.41 | cahoot | Kovensky: err /etc/kernel-img.conf |
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| 17:04.17 | Kovensky | cahoot: btw, I remember that I updated grub yesterday... maybe that is the real culprit =p |
| 17:04.28 | Kovensky | will do |
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| 17:04.54 | grendal_prime | grrrrrr |
| 17:05.01 | rgsteele||work | (Yay, nay?) |
| 17:05.06 | grendal_prime | how do i get dpkg to ignore the gpg error |
| 17:05.10 | Kovensky | Led_Zeppelin: use 'unrar x' instead of 'unrar e' |
| 17:05.32 | Led_Zeppelin | hell yah Kovensky ! |
| 17:05.35 | jhamlin | So I tried to install xpdf and kpdf backports using pinning. Now many times when I try to open something I get "Could not find mime type application/octet-stream". Furthermore kcontrol doesn't work! What's the matter?? |
| 17:05.55 | Kovensky | cahoot: is this a known bug? |
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| 17:06.06 | Kovensky | has no browser and no X =p |
| 17:06.19 | rgsteele||work | Kovensky: lynx :) |
| 17:06.35 | Kovensky | rgsteele||work: elinks |
| 17:06.49 | rgsteele||work | That works too. |
| 17:06.56 | jdrake | Has anyone ever used partimage to restore an image to a file that could be mounted in loopback? |
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| 17:07.19 | rgsteele||work | Hm, well from what I can glean from the Debian Package Maintainer's manual, just issuing a ./configure with the shipped configure.in should give me the Debian defaults. |
| 17:07.31 | rgsteele||work | hopes that's right. |
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| 17:08.39 | mxmx | uh |
| 17:08.53 | mxmx | what do i do when debia tells me there are stoppped jobs |
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| 17:09.57 | grendal_prime | jdrake: ??? |
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| 17:10.23 | grendal_prime | how do i point apt-get at a file that is located on the system |
| 17:10.44 | Malin | hello! i was wondering how i can install the SID kernel...? i am new to this... |
| 17:10.51 | jdrake | grendal_prime, partimage saves only parts of the disk that are used to the image file. Therefore, it cannot be simply mounted. |
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| 17:11.14 | grendal_prime | i have a package i want to install i neeed it to ignore the gpg error |
| 17:11.37 | cahoot | grendal_prime: use dpkg -i ? |
| 17:11.47 | grendal_prime | so i figure i use the -y flag, but...i need it to point to the file that is on the system not..the repos in the source.list file |
| 17:11.49 | Malin | i have changed my sources to sid instead of etch |
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| 17:12.12 | bsund | lo guys |
| 17:12.18 | bsund | got VPS |
| 17:12.36 | grendal_prime | dpkg would work to...however there are several dependencys for this package |
| 17:12.37 | dpkg | okay, grendal_prime |
| 17:12.43 | bsund | but all IRC nets complain about IDENT |
| 17:12.51 | bsund | got authd |
| 17:13.17 | bsund | freenode is like the one who dont care |
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| 17:15.15 | chsigi | 2 |
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| 17:17.02 | abrotman | Malin: don't do that |
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| 17:18.10 | grendal_prime | cahoot: is there a flag to tell dpkg to ignore the gpg error. I cant find anything in the man on that |
| 17:18.23 | abrotman | or you could fix it correctly? |
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| 17:19.14 | Malin | why not, abrotman? |
| 17:19.35 | rgsteele||work | Hm. I suppose I could actually just run dpkg-buildpackage once I have my debian/* files the way I want 'em. |
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| 17:19.41 | rgsteele||work | s/could/should/ |
| 17:20.24 | abrotman | Malin: that will upgrade your whole system |
| 17:20.27 | V4Nelle | guys any help about this problem which appear on poweroff? http://pastebin.com/d27713367 |
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| 17:20.40 | Ergo^ | evening |
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| 17:21.02 | Ergo^ | i was wondering recently, is there no wine maintainer for debian ? |
| 17:21.25 | Kovensky | Ergo^: just add wine's repos, they Just Work =p |
| 17:21.26 | Malin | abrotman: so i will loose everything i have on my comp? |
| 17:21.33 | abrotman | no |
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| 17:21.46 | abrotman | Malin: first of all .. why do you need a newer kernel? |
| 17:21.54 | Ergo^ | Kovensky: but they are always 2-3 versions behind :/ |
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| 17:22.12 | Kovensky | Ergo^: how so? it is the official repo! |
| 17:22.17 | Kovensky | kick the guys in there =p |
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| 17:22.27 | Kovensky | Ergo^: #winehq |
| 17:22.43 | abrotman | Ergo^: i'm sure there is .. but they may not package every release |
| 17:22.47 | wols | winehq.org debs are not really safe |
| 17:22.49 | Malin | I don't need it, it was just for experimenting... but i wouldn't do it if it's not so good |
| 17:22.57 | Kovensky | wols: hmm |
| 17:23.03 | Ergo^ | Kovensky: ubuntu is updated circa 8h from release.. kinda sad to see debian is treaded like an ugly baby |
| 17:23.07 | Kovensky | well, I don't use them anyway, I build from git |
| 17:23.15 | abrotman | Malin: upgrading your entire box to sid is not a great plan |
| 17:23.30 | abrotman | Ergo^: so help the maintainer .. |
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| 17:23.39 | Ergo^ | abrotman: im a newbie still |
| 17:24.00 | Ergo^ | btw. how is nvidia support in lenny atm ? |
| 17:24.09 | Malin | abrotman: ok, well thank.. i don't think i should do it then |
| 17:24.11 | Ergo^ | im asking about restricted stuff |
| 17:24.25 | Kovensky | Ergo^: I think it is as always; debian can't do much about nvidia drivers, you know |
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| 17:24.33 | Kovensky | if they OPEN SOURCED them, then we could do a progress report :) |
| 17:24.56 | Kovensky | nouveau is not production yet, so it is not packaged; but I use it because it has the best xv acceleration :) |
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| 17:24.59 | abrotman | Ergo^: oh well .. guess you'll make do then |
| 17:24.59 | phrozen77_ | does debian provide grsecurity patched kernels? |
| 17:25.04 | abrotman | Kovensky: it is packaged |
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| 17:25.10 | ech0dish | hi |
| 17:25.11 | Kovensky | abrotman: :O |
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| 17:25.17 | Kovensky | abrotman: never noticed that |
| 17:25.20 | Ergo^ | well im just running their installer every time kernel is updated ;-) |
| 17:25.22 | abrotman | obviously |
| 17:25.29 | Kovensky | I build from git =p |
| 17:25.30 | Nom- | Anyone know where I might be able to find suitable source and config to build libsasl2 packages for woody? From what I can find, it did exist at some point, but obviously all the mirrors are gone now... |
| 17:25.58 | ech0dish | ok so i've been doing more testing, have noticed that my issue is only when I boot off of battery power, if i boot off of dc power then it loads fine and ndiswrapper doesn't conflict with anything |
| 17:26.37 | ech0dish | i have seen it say it has an irq conflict on irq 5 |
| 17:26.46 | ech0dish | in diagnostics mode |
| 17:26.50 | ech0dish | then it freezes |
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| 17:28.04 | phrozen77_ | does debian provide grsecurity patched kernels? |
| 17:28.06 | ech0dish | i think perhaps it boots differently on battery power then it does off dc power |
| 17:28.44 | abrotman | Nom-: did you check the archive.debian.org stuff? |
| 17:28.44 | abrotman | phrozen77_: you mean all of them ? or just the option? |
| 17:29.05 | phrozen77_ | abrotman, well, like it provides a bigmem kernel for example.. |
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| 17:29.51 | abrotman | phrozen77_: did you even try `apt-cache search grsec` ? |
| 17:30.14 | gongoputch | is "." (current directory) in the default cron's path? |
| 17:30.19 | gongoputch | in debian |
| 17:30.27 | tech13 | is there an easy way to copy the files from a DVD Iso onto the file system, and tell apt to use it as a source? |
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| 17:30.49 | abrotman | phrozen77_: there's also se-linux |
| 17:30.58 | phrozen77_ | :O |
| 17:31.00 | phrozen77_ | lemme check |
| 17:31.12 | abrotman | guess that means phrozen77_ didn't even search |
| 17:31.15 | Nom- | abrotman: I just found that... hmmm... no dice... it must have been a backport :/ |
| 17:31.32 | rcahilig | Hello everyone, I have problem compiling ipp2p in my Debian Etch box using Kernel 2.6.25 and iptables 1.4.0 |
| 17:31.35 | jim_p | tech13: mount the .iso with the "known" command and do a apt-cdrom add |
| 17:31.40 | abrotman | Nom-: eh .. fonud what? |
| 17:31.55 | Nom- | archive.debian.org |
| 17:32.16 | simonrvn | gongoputch: don't assume path in crontabs, always specify |
| 17:32.17 | phrozen77_ | abrotman, you're right, i didnt check now, but i'm pretty sure i once did and havent found anything - thanks for the help and sorry for stealing your time :) |
| 17:32.19 | abrotman | Nom-: oh .. perhaps |
| 17:32.26 | abrotman | STOLEN TIME! |
| 17:32.29 | abrotman | !arrest phrozen77_ |
| 17:32.30 | dpkg | http://phrozen77_.wasarrested.com |
| 17:32.33 | jim_p | tech13: and it will seem like a cdrom device with a disk |
| 17:33.10 | phrozen77_ | _LOL_ |
| 17:33.12 | Nom- | ugh yep... looks like it... i don't suppose there's an archive of backports around? :/ |
| 17:33.49 | abrotman | Nom-: maybe at backports.org .. but i'd guess they just have sarge/etch |
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| 17:36.50 | dudeman | gongoputch, dude |
| 17:36.54 | dudeman | gongoputch, what the fuck are you doing here? |
| 17:37.05 | dudeman | gongoputch, get outta #debian ya freebsd nut sucker! :) |
| 17:37.13 | hobbes006 | hi fellas, anyone familiar with webmin and majordomo setup ? i managed to get it setup - i think - but on the majordomo list manager GUI page, i cant seem to find a "create a new mailing list" link. |
| 17:37.37 | dudeman | gongoputch, so what happened man? you started using debian? did I convert you!? |
| 17:37.38 | dudeman | hehehe |
| 17:37.40 | abrotman | dudeman: was that really necessary ? |
| 17:37.46 | dudeman | abrotman, yes. |
| 17:37.50 | m-c- | familiar with the new debian livecd? I am giving it a try today.. |
| 17:38.00 | abrotman | m-c-: #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:38.04 | m-c- | thanks |
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| 17:41.48 | webPragmatist | anyone have a minute to look at an rdiff-backup error... http://pastebin.ca/1194985 |
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| 17:43.45 | gongoputch | dudeman: no, someone in ##freebsd implied that debian's cron puts "." in the default cron env. |
| 17:44.10 | adama | webPragmatist: apparently you are backing up onto a partition whose FS does not support hard links |
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| 17:44.38 | gongoputch | dudeman: I found that hard to believe |
| 17:44.41 | dudeman | ahh |
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| 17:46.04 | adama | webPragmatist: what is the model of your NAS? |
| 17:46.51 | webPragmatist | I'm not sure... its provided by my hosting |
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| 17:47.15 | webPragmatist | i think it's primarily for windows boxes because alot of the stuff they offer is windows |
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| 17:47.41 | adama | I don't suppose you can repartition it |
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| 17:48.00 | webPragmatist | possibly i can request them to |
| 17:48.09 | webPragmatist | but thanks i will look into that |
| 17:49.39 | adama | you would want ext3 or anything that supports hard links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems#Features |
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| 17:50.20 | adama | It is probably currently FAT or HPFS |
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| 17:50.43 | mejo | hey |
| 17:50.45 | dudeman | hey |
| 17:50.49 | webPragmatist | adama: is that just a warning or is that why rdiff is failing? |
| 17:50.55 | webPragmatist | because it does create some files |
| 17:51.14 | mejo | i just try to setup my backup server as remote syslog server for all other machines as well. |
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| 17:51.58 | mejo | but so far the logs are all written to the default syslog files on my backup server. I'd like to have seperate logfiles for any server that logs to the syslog server instead. |
| 17:52.00 | adama | no it will not work I think.... |
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| 17:52.50 | mejo | do i need to setup special rules on the syslog server to log into seperate host logfiles? |
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| 17:52.56 | adama | webPragmatist: it creates a new folder each backup cycle right, but then if a file has not changed it just hard-links to the previous file |
| 17:53.24 | webPragmatist | but this is the first time I am creating the backup |
| 17:53.33 | adama | a hard link can be thought of one single file on the disk, with multiple filenames |
| 17:53.51 | webPragmatist | so why would it be creating hard links |
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| 17:54.15 | adama | hmm, well basically the program can't work without hard linking so maybe it's testing for that functionality and bailing out now, even though it hasn't actually tried to do it yet |
| 17:54.47 | webPragmatist | so if i disable hard linking its going to become a somewhat massive backup over time |
| 17:54.58 | adama | yes quite |
| 17:55.15 | Saar | In screen I puased an import into an oracle database using "imp" by sending it a ctr-s, but now I can't wake it up again, any ideas? |
| 17:55.19 | webPragmatist | ok well let me try it and see if that is the problem... but thanks for your help :) |
| 17:55.33 | adama | Saar: ctrl-q ? |
| 17:56.01 | adama | webPragmatist: good luck :) |
| 17:56.09 | grendal_prime | ok thats not what the problem is. |
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| 17:56.32 | grendal_prime | however i still need to be abot to apg-get local.deb. So that it will work out dependencys for me. |
| 17:56.48 | grendal_prime | unless dpkg can work out dependencys? |
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| 17:57.33 | Saar | adama: i tried all the usual ways |
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| 17:57.40 | mu532 | it can be limited by them |
| 17:57.50 | Saar | that i know of, ctrl-8 sending it signal 18 etc |
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| 17:58.43 | adama | Saar: don't know then... did you detach from the screen? |
| 17:59.03 | Saar | yes |
| 17:59.08 | mu532 | that is, dpkg can look at the deps of the package files to be installed, apply that and decide for each package if it can be unpacked and configured |
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| 17:59.19 | adama | and you can get back in with screen -r ? |
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| 17:59.29 | adama | but then it won't resume the command |
| 17:59.35 | Saar | well when I did ctrl-q in screen screen allowed me to detach which indicated it was awake again, but the imp process itself is sleeping |
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| 18:00.16 | adama | ok... then can you go back into the screen? |
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| 18:00.53 | Vinterbound | Hello, I installed Debian stable and I didn't choose to use a network mirror while installing, I only have the cd rom and security updates repository now in /etc/apt/sources.list, can somebody tell me what are the main debian repositories I should add? |
| 18:02.10 | adama | well I have: deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 18:02.41 | adama | but I am in canada, running unstable, you should check the Internet for what you want |
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| 18:03.18 | martiancode | hi, folks anyone with ASUS EeePC, how much does it cost? |
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| 18:03.36 | testi | I payed CHF 439.- |
| 18:03.41 | testi | *paid |
| 18:03.42 | martianixor | with minimum specs |
| 18:03.43 | adama | martianixor: mine was free :D |
| 18:04.05 | martianixor | adama: :D |
| 18:04.14 | martianixor | adama: chrismas present? |
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| 18:04.21 | adama | martianixor: mine is a 701 w/4GB SSD, I believe it costs $400 CAD |
| 18:04.21 | testi | 4GB space, 512MB memory, with webcam |
| 18:04.26 | martianixor | s/chrismas/christmas/ |
| 18:04.32 | adama | martianixor: my work gave it to me |
| 18:04.40 | adama | I put debian on it :D |
| 18:04.56 | karrotx | gnugrep has a function to read N lines above match right? |
| 18:04.56 | martianixor | adama: that is super cool |
| 18:04.58 | karrotx | i can't seem to find it |
| 18:05.28 | testi | I installed kubuntu - I wonder how good etch works on it. |
| 18:05.34 | martianixor | testi: there isn't one with 1GB storage correct? |
| 18:05.41 | adama | karrotx: --before-context=NUM I think you want |
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| 18:05.55 | adama | aka -B N |
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| 18:06.00 | testi | martianixor: as far as i know there is one with 2GB storage and without webcam, which is more expensive |
| 18:06.00 | QuestionMark | hi all |
| 18:06.13 | karrotx | wonderfluf, thansk |
| 18:06.18 | wyleu | I have both python2.4 and python2.5 loaded python2.4 is the default; etch I wish to load visual python against python2.5 what must I configure to allow me to perform this installation from within the debian tools like synaptics? |
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| 18:06.44 | scifi | hey guys, just successfully installed Debian on my lappy, how do i setup wifi?? |
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| 18:06.48 | martianixor | testi: yeah it varies in my region strangely too |
| 18:06.54 | zinx | scifi: what card does it have? |
| 18:07.10 | QuestionMark | today a was bought a core2duo pc. Wich iso for the best? I have more than 4gb of ram |
| 18:07.14 | martianixor | testi: I was next to one yesterday costs 4000+ of currency |
| 18:07.20 | adama | scifi: depends on your wireless card: do lspci and what's the line for the wifi card |
| 18:07.23 | scifi | zinx: Intel Pro |
| 18:07.27 | martianixor | testi: that is torturing as I couldn't afford it |
| 18:07.36 | zinx | scifi: which number? |
| 18:07.39 | martianixor | testi: not sure what specs but it was with webcam |
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| 18:07.58 | martianixor | testi: thanks :-) |
| 18:08.02 | zinx | scifi: Intel's wireless cards have numbers like 2200, 3945, 4965 |
| 18:08.04 | themill | wyleu: you can't use python 2.5 as default in etch. It won't work. You just need to make your python scripts call /usr/bin/python2.5 instead of /usr/bin/python |
| 18:08.16 | scifi | zinx: Intel Pro 3945 ABG |
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| 18:08.36 | themill | scifi: what kernel are you using (uname -r) |
| 18:08.37 | wols | scifi: what kernel version? |
| 18:08.38 | testi | i think the one with webcam is cheaper, because the one without webcam has windows xp on it - maybe windows xp doesn't support the cam |
| 18:08.45 | zinx | scifi: try installing the 'firmware-iwlwifi' and making sure you're on a recent kernel (>2.6.24 or so, i think) |
| 18:08.52 | martianixor | the device is nice not just cause it's portable, but also cause there're no mechanical parts |
| 18:09.01 | wols | zinx: there is no such etch kernel |
| 18:09.04 | zinx | erh, the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package that is |
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| 18:09.09 | zinx | wols: that's unfortunate |
| 18:09.23 | wols | scifi: please answer, what kernel version? |
| 18:09.30 | wyleu | So the etch visual python distribution will always install against 2.4? |
| 18:09.37 | wols | wyleu: yes |
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| 18:09.44 | scifi | wols: how do i check version? |
| 18:09.49 | themill | scifi: what kernel are you using (uname -r) |
| 18:09.50 | martianixor | testi: the one I saw yesterday was with both webcam and windwoes XP so I think it explains why the astronomical price |
| 18:09.56 | wols | themil already told you |
| 18:10.00 | zinx | isn't entirely sure when iwlwifi was added to the kernel |
| 18:10.12 | zinx | in any case, i'm pretty sure there are backported kernels for etch |
| 18:10.16 | wyleu | Which is the first Debain unstable/testing that will support python 2.5 as defult? |
| 18:10.18 | themill | zinx: 2.6.24 for mainline but debian added it in 2.6.23 |
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| 18:10.59 | scifi | wols: 2.6.18-6 |
| 18:11.00 | zinx | themill: ahh |
| 18:11.02 | wols | wyleu: check yourself. packages.debian.org |
| 18:11.09 | zinx | themill: i wasn't that far off after all, then |
| 18:11.15 | wols | !tell scifi about ipw3945 |
| 18:11.16 | wyleu | ok thanks |
| 18:11.47 | themill | scifi: is all the hardware on your laptop otherwise working ok? |
| 18:11.49 | wols | zinx: but still utterly wrong |
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| 18:12.03 | scifi | themill: yes as far as i know :) |
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| 18:12.36 | simonrvn | !debain |
| 18:12.36 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 18:12.39 | wols | scifi: bave you checked? sound for example? |
| 18:12.46 | ndo | Guys, whats the difference between "apt-get" and "aptitude" thats the sae right? |
| 18:12.48 | themill | scifi: in particular I'm wondering about the sound as that's often a problem for that generation of laptops with that kernel. If it's fine, then just do what wols/dpkg told you |
| 18:12.55 | themill | dpkg: tell ndo about why aptitude |
| 18:12.56 | zinx | wols: how so? |
| 18:13.00 | wols | ndo: no they are different progras |
| 18:13.02 | wols | *programs |
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| 18:13.36 | zinx | wols: i know *i'd* rather be using iwlwifi, given the choice with a simple kernel upgrade :P |
| 18:13.38 | wols | zinx: maybe you should read the backlog if you don't know |
| 18:13.40 | simonrvn | must be typo day today, i'll lay off the nitpickiness |
| 18:13.45 | martianixor | testi: do you know anyone with the touch screen mod ? |
| 18:13.59 | testi | martianixor: no, never heard of |
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| 18:14.22 | wols | simonrvn: my right thumb hurts. can't use it at all.even more awkward typing than usuaöl |
| 18:14.27 | martianixor | testi: I saw some guy doing an internal mod adding a touch screen controller and a touch screen |
| 18:14.36 | scifi | themill: not sure how i can check sound, i have no sound files.....lemme try a cd |
| 18:14.36 | martianixor | testi: that was on youtube even |
| 18:14.47 | simonrvn | wols: ouch :(. me it's my left pinky. bike accident. |
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| 18:15.29 | ndo | so if they are different progras i doing wrong using "apt-get"? now i sould switch to aptitude?:) |
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| 18:15.37 | martianixor | testi: http://jkkmobile.blogspot.com/2007/12/how-to-add-touch-panel-to-asus-eee-pc.html |
| 18:15.51 | Vinterbound | when I start adding repositories such as from here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/good-debian-repositories-379597/ I get errors when I start Synaptic package manager, can somebody tell me why? |
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| 18:16.29 | adama | hmmm, anyone know how to make my "Window List" text use outlined white/black text, to appear visible on dark backgrounds with transparent panel? |
| 18:16.36 | trpr | martianixor: i saw a guy in my class the otherday with something like that. he was drawing diagrams right on the face of the laptop. coolest shit ever |
| 18:16.40 | scifi | themill: o dear sound isnt working :P |
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| 18:17.11 | testi | martianixor: cool :) but far from easy :) it's called eee pc after all :) |
| 18:17.23 | ndo | oke, oneore thing. Whats the difference between "apt-get install x-window-system" and "apt-get install xorg"? |
| 18:17.26 | martianixor | trpr: yes, they're leaving roam for other mods too, like bluetooth |
| 18:17.49 | themill | scifi: in that case, either upgrade to the 2.6.24 kernel from etchnhalf (/msg dpkg etchnhalf) or the 2.6.26 kernel from backports.org (/msg dpkg bpo). They should solve the sound problem and you will then use the iwlwifi driver (/msg dpkg iwlwifi) |
| 18:18.18 | simonrvn | wols: my first phalange, on top, is cut open, about 3cm long. the doc glued it together and put cloth tape on it (after a 6 hr wait...) |
| 18:18.19 | scifi | themill: o dear sound isnt working :P |
| 18:18.23 | scifi | oops |
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| 18:18.36 | scifi | themill: ok thx will do |
| 18:18.38 | martianixor | testi: it's relatively easy, but I would do it only if I could find the right controller for Linux |
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| 18:19.09 | blizzo2 | I want to mail a notification from a bash script to an external account. What's the lightest easiest mailer I can install to make sure "mail -s "subject" user@foo.bar" works? |
| 18:19.21 | themill | Vinterbound: don't go around adding random sources from dodgy websites full of clueless newbies stumbling around in circles. What is it that you are trying to find that's not already in debian? |
| 18:19.30 | rjent_ | Greetings, I have sid with latest kernel and I can not get any vmware machines to power on. I would be grateful for help on the matter. My lenny notebook works fine but not enough ram so need to get my sid setup running. |
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| 18:19.46 | martianixor | testi: well, to be more precise, if I could find an available Linux compatible touch screen controller |
| 18:20.06 | martianixor | testi: in my region such things sometimes become a dream, impossible to find |
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| 18:20.52 | webPragmatist | adama: hard linking is not the issue btw... |
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| 18:21.38 | KnuckOne | blizzo2, "bsd-mailx" package is what you want |
| 18:21.54 | Vinterbound | themill: I don't have any software repositories in my Debian and when I add I get errors, I'm trying to find a reliable repository but I can't find one search on google |
| 18:22.11 | Vinterbound | searching on google* |
| 18:22.17 | themill | Vinterbound: what do you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list presently? (use a pastebin) |
| 18:22.23 | scifi | themill: ive looked into upgrading but as far as i can tell it involves needing a cd or usb, unfortunately my lappys cd drive wont read burnt isos and i cant boot from usb, is there no way of upgrading via the update manager? |
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| 18:22.32 | Vinterbound | what is a pastebin? |
| 18:22.35 | themill | !paste |
| 18:22.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 18:22.55 | kokice | i am about to install apache2, i was wondering, what ftp server i could install that is safe? |
| 18:23.03 | kokice | im focusing on a small mini server |
| 18:23.16 | kokice | apace sql php support |
| 18:23.16 | simNIX | vsftpd ? |
| 18:23.19 | webPragmatist | anyone wanna play spot the rdiff-backup error reason http://pastebin.ca/1195043 |
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| 18:23.22 | wols | kokice: none |
| 18:23.22 | kokice | i oculd do vsftpd |
| 18:23.24 | kokice | i liked it |
| 18:23.31 | simNIX | or better yet; sftp ? |
| 18:23.34 | themill | scifi: you're not really upgrading, just installing a new kernel. All you need is network access for it. |
| 18:23.38 | kokice | wols, true on that too, but how will my noob friends transfer files? |
| 18:23.42 | adama | webPragmatist: why not hard-linking? |
| 18:23.46 | wols | !tell Vinterbound about sources.list |
| 18:23.53 | wols | !tell Vinterbound about mirrors |
| 18:23.56 | kokice | sftp |
| 18:23.58 | kokice | i never heard of that |
| 18:24.00 | wols | kokice: ssh |
| 18:24.00 | webPragmatist | adama: ? I added --no-hard-links |
| 18:24.07 | simNIX | is ftp over ssh |
| 18:24.26 | kokice | wols, ssh ? ugh |
| 18:24.32 | simNIX | with sshd2 I can restrict user to there home dir |
| 18:24.35 | scifi | themill: ok i can plug my lappy direct using ethernet cable, then how do i install the latest kernel? |
| 18:24.52 | simNIX | filezilla for instance can be used to connect |
| 18:24.52 | themill | scifi: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 should be fine. (or -amd64 if you are using that) |
| 18:25.07 | greymalkin | kokice: sftp, noob friends won't be sending a password to your box in cleartext |
| 18:25.19 | scifi | themill: im glad u said that because i am using the -amd64 version ^^ |
| 18:25.23 | simNIX | prob with ftp = that login credentials and transfers are send in plain text over the wire ... |
| 18:25.25 | davidisko | is there any packaged nvidia drivers in debian? |
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| 18:25.47 | scifi | themill: thx m8, gonna try it |
| 18:25.48 | KnuckOne | !nvidia |
| 18:25.48 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 18:25.54 | kokice | greymalkin, ok, what should i do if i get some smart noob :P heh |
| 18:25.58 | davidisko | KnuckOne: oh thx |
| 18:26.08 | kokice | greymalkin, i mean how do these other people offer FTP but yet dont get cracked |
| 18:26.25 | blizzo2 | KnuckOne: What if I'm using etch? |
| 18:26.42 | wols | blizzo2: same |
| 18:27.05 | trpr | kokice: luck. use ssh. tell your noob friends to get winscp to sftp in to transfer files |
| 18:27.18 | blizzo2 | wols: bsd-mailx doesn't come up in aptitude search. |
| 18:27.19 | kokice | trpr, ok ive done that before |
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| 18:27.50 | kokice | trpr, well dang, winscp is cool and all no problem but. why cant we secure ftp like vsftp eeekk ? |
| 18:27.50 | Vinterbound | themill: http://rafb.net/p/XmEm8E33.html |
| 18:27.51 | scifi | themill: so its aptitude install linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64? |
| 18:28.04 | wols | blizzo2: sorry.meant you asked about nvidia |
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| 18:28.06 | kokice | trpr, is winscp what people use now days to transfer files to servers ? |
| 18:28.17 | kokice | trpr, ftp is being forgoten due to invulnerbility ? |
| 18:28.19 | trpr | kokice: it is what i tell my windows friends to use. |
| 18:28.21 | themill | scifi: should be fine |
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| 18:28.23 | wols | !tell blizzo2 about ssb |
| 18:28.36 | wols | kokice: filezilla |
| 18:29.00 | kokice | wols, could that be configured for safety? |
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| 18:29.04 | trpr | kokice: ftp has always been cleartext. same as telnet. noone in their right mind is still telnetting into their boxes |
| 18:29.21 | wols | kokice: filezilla is a sftp client |
| 18:29.26 | blizzo2 | wols: wish I could use backports. It's a production system and my boss would not be happy. |
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| 18:29.40 | KnuckOne | or use "mailx" package blizzo2 |
| 18:29.48 | kokice | trpr, what is that mean "cleartext" why do i keep hearing that? |
| 18:29.59 | kokice | wols, ok but can i configure it so its safe?? |
| 18:29.59 | Kovensky | kokice: cleartext is non-encrypted stuff |
| 18:30.00 | scifi | themill: do i have to do it as root? |
| 18:30.06 | themill | scifi: of course |
| 18:30.08 | scifi | k |
| 18:30.12 | kokice | Kovensky, wide open ? so you can read it? |
| 18:30.13 | KnuckOne | those apps are standard anyway, it *should* always work whatever the version used |
| 18:30.15 | trpr | kokice: it means unencrypted. if you were to look at the packets as they traveled the network, you could pick the data out with the naked eye |
| 18:30.15 | wols | kokice: the password goes over the wire as you type it.everybody can sniff it |
| 18:30.22 | blizzo2 | unfortunately mailx won't send to an address outside of my computer unless there is some kind of MTA installed. |
| 18:30.28 | kokice | trpr Kovensky ok understood |
| 18:30.40 | kokice | ok i dont like hat at all |
| 18:30.41 | kokice | lawl |
| 18:30.44 | wols | blizzo2: you need an MTA.no discussion.ESPECIALLY on aproduction box |
| 18:30.55 | kokice | no way to go around that? |
| 18:31.06 | kokice | just winscp ssh |
| 18:31.13 | Kovensky | remembers he still has to fight with postfix to get GMail working AGAIN... it will be the 6th or 7th postfix reconf in a month D: |
| 18:31.15 | wols | kokice: don't use ftp but winscp or filezilla |
| 18:31.21 | KnuckOne | or install a nullmailer blizzo2, like ssmtp if it's just to send |
| 18:31.38 | blizzo2 | KnuckOne: Yes, it's just to send. |
| 18:31.39 | kokice | wols, ok filezilla is ftp server? |
| 18:31.55 | Kovensky | KnuckOne: what's a nullmailer? |
| 18:32.04 | wols | kokice: no. |
| 18:32.15 | wols | Kovensky: name of a package |
| 18:32.28 | KnuckOne | yes but... |
| 18:32.37 | Kovensky | needs to send only on this debian install; will need to send-receive on the other one he will do later |
| 18:32.39 | kokice | wols, what a hell is it? someting similar to winscp? |
| 18:32.49 | wols | kokice: ftp and scp client |
| 18:32.55 | KnuckOne | a nullmailer (there are a lot of nullmailers) are used to send a mail via smtp without using a server nor providing advanced features |
| 18:33.08 | wols | !info nullmailer |
| 18:33.14 | kokice | wols, oh both in one software |
| 18:33.18 | KnuckOne | it's just a program that 'talks' smtp with an external server |
| 18:33.27 | Kovensky | KnuckOne: so ssmtp can be configured to just forward stuff to smtp.gmail.com via TLS? |
| 18:33.29 | jelly | like ssmtp |
| 18:33.32 | dpkg | nullmailer: (simple relay-only mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 1:1.04-1 (sid), Packaged size: 88 kB, Installed size: 404 kB |
| 18:33.41 | kokice | fak it ill just roll with winscp then :P |
| 18:33.46 | kokice | damn ftp |
| 18:33.53 | KnuckOne | !info ssmtp |
| 18:33.58 | dpkg | ssmtp: (extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a mail hub), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.62-1 (sid), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 0 kB |
| 18:34.03 | KnuckOne | more flexible ssmtp |
| 18:34.06 | scifi | themill: ok it installed ok, shall i reboot now? |
| 18:34.07 | kokice | why dont all host companies recomend you to use winscp? |
| 18:34.26 | kokice | instead of ftp |
| 18:34.42 | Kovensky | use ssh |
| 18:34.50 | scifi | themill: or do the iwlwifi first? |
| 18:34.54 | Kovensky | there is file transfer facilities in ssh (that I don't know how to use) |
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| 18:35.00 | Kovensky | s/is/are/ |
| 18:35.06 | KnuckOne | you mean sftp kokice ? |
| 18:35.21 | themill | Vinterbound: so you need to add a regular mirror. it will be a line like: "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib" where CC is the country code for somewhere nearby on the network (turkey, perhaps?) |
| 18:35.28 | jelly | Kovensky: "aptitude changelog ssmtp" mentions ssl/tls capabilities in several places |
| 18:35.49 | themill | scifi: you may as well grab the iwlwifi firmware while you're at it |
| 18:35.56 | Kovensky | jelly: ok, will install this thing instead of postfix on this send-only box =p |
| 18:36.05 | scifi | themill:k will do |
| 18:36.07 | kokice | KnuckOne, which ever, if its so vulnerable why do host companies still use ftp servers? thats my question |
| 18:36.34 | wols | Vinterbound: dpkg told you two factoids what to put in your sources.list |
| 18:36.42 | Kovensky | kokice: because it is simple to set up and use? |
| 18:36.55 | scifi | themill: not sure how to add non-free sources as instructions advise |
| 18:37.05 | abrotman | kokice: have you ever tried to explain security to your boss? |
| 18:37.08 | Kovensky | you know programmers and sysops are a bunch of lazy guys that are so lazy they do nifty programs to do stuff for them |
| 18:37.11 | blizzo2 | KnuckOne: I assume this means you recommend ssmtp for a nullmailer? |
| 18:37.13 | KnuckOne | Kovensky, about TLS yes ssmtp does it |
| 18:37.18 | themill | scifi: did you ask dpkg about "non-free sources"? |
| 18:37.22 | kokice | lol no |
| 18:37.36 | scifi | themill: k i'll do that ;p |
| 18:37.40 | KnuckOne | yes blizzo2 |
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| 18:39.05 | kokice | abrotman, what exactly do you mean by that? |
| 18:39.13 | Vinterbound | themill: I added a repository and I get this everytime I start synaptic http://rafb.net/p/XRAoDW18.html |
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| 18:39.46 | yigal | hello I have to make my laptop dual boot with xp to upgrade a blackberry device that won't work without xp run without virtualization - kernel virtualization but I'm not familiar with how much work that would entail, I haven't used a windows product in over 2 years, any suggestions on getting what I want with less hassle? |
| 18:40.19 | yigal | s/kernel..virtual/&might work |
| 18:40.24 | abrotman | kokice: ftp is antiquited .. but many things speak it, including IE. It's easy, but it's bad. /msg dpkg ftpmustdie |
| 18:40.53 | abrotman | kokice: and TBH .. most *users* don't care about security .. or just completely don't understand it |
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| 18:41.57 | themill | Vinterbound: is finland very close to you? I think you've missed the "/debian" at the end of the URL |
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| 18:43.07 | kokice | lol where he go |
| 18:43.22 | kokice | ok, how can i learn more about jailing users? |
| 18:44.31 | yigal | jailing with a chroot? |
| 18:44.31 | Vinterbound | themill: I didn't miss the /debian, here's what it looks like in my sources.list: deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib |
| 18:44.54 | kokice | yigal, i think so |
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| 18:45.07 | kokice | yigal, i dont know, Prose was talking about how i should just start by jailing a user |
| 18:45.18 | \amethyst | Vinterbound: did you do apt-get update ? |
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| 18:47.14 | yigal | if I need to use windows xp to upgrade firmware in a pda, a blackberry, because there is no usb driver support in linux at this time, is there any virtualization, Xen, etc. I should be able to use to get windows on my laptop but not screw up grub |
| 18:47.19 | yigal | ? |
| 18:47.24 | kokice | yigal, lol, ok it is chroot |
| 18:47.31 | yigal | kokice: good |
| 18:47.33 | kokice | yigal, jailed shell is that good security? |
| 18:47.47 | kokice | yigal, jail shell |
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| 18:48.00 | yigal | kokice: in general not so good, but for most users it's fine |
| 18:48.25 | yigal | depends how knowledgable the user is and how jailed they are but it is a good start |
| 18:48.33 | yigal | s/are/really are |
| 18:48.39 | maligor | yigal, yeah, there is |
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| 18:49.07 | maligor | there's usb passthrough drivers in vmware workstation (iirc), virtualbox (non-free) |
| 18:49.17 | Vinterbound | \amethyst: when I did it it was fixed, thank you all for the help |
| 18:49.18 | maligor | qemu had something preliminary last I checked I think |
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| 18:49.51 | kokalo | man girl gota always knock down the power with a dumb ass hair dryer |
| 18:49.53 | kokalo | .. eek |
| 18:49.56 | yigal | maligor: oh, that would be great to use qemu, but it failed for others, maybe the latest version? thanks |
| 18:49.59 | kokalo | yigal, why do you say in general not so good? why is it not so good |
| 18:50.34 | maligor | yigal, well, you virtualbox has the non-free versions available in a repository too |
| 18:50.38 | maligor | s/you// |
| 18:50.50 | maligor | http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
| 18:51.07 | maligor | unless you want to battle with qemu |
| 18:51.22 | wols | yigal: you can try virtualbox from virtualbox.org |
| 18:51.23 | Kovensky | wonders if there is a framebuffer virtual machine |
| 18:51.29 | \amethyst | :q |
| 18:51.37 | Kovensky | doesn't want to install/configure X just for virtual machines if there is another option |
| 18:51.40 | wols | yigal: that can access usb |
| 18:51.59 | yigal | maligor: http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Abusing_chroot |
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| 18:52.11 | maligor | yigal, wrong target?-) |
| 18:52.24 | yigal | maligor: sorry, and thanks will use virtualbox |
| 18:52.30 | kokoko | yigal, i got Dc again did u answer me |
| 18:52.33 | yigal | maligor: if qemu doesn't work |
| 18:53.08 | scifi | themill: do i run the command modprobe iwl4965 after ive installed the iwlwif firmware AND rebooted or straight after installing the firmware??? |
| 18:53.33 | wols | scifi: what kernel do you run right now? |
| 18:53.36 | yigal | kokalo: http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Abusing_chroot |
| 18:53.51 | yigal | kokalo: ? |
| 18:53.57 | yigal | kokoko: ? |
| 18:54.03 | wols | yigal: don't do this |
| 18:54.10 | kokoko | kokoko, why isnt chroot good in general? |
| 18:54.19 | kokoko | yigal, |
| 18:54.20 | kokoko | lal |
| 18:54.23 | kokoko | what are the side effects |
| 18:55.20 | scifi | wols: i just updated to etchnhalf |
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| 18:55.37 | SpeCon | how can i set the ulimit -a open files to 65 000 |
| 18:55.40 | SpeCon | its now on 20 000 |
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| 18:56.14 | wols | scifi: that doesn't answer my question |
| 18:56.17 | wols | scifi: what kernel do you run right now? |
| 18:56.20 | \amethyst | SpeCon: add an entry to /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 18:56.34 | Kovensky | which filesystem uses the least CPU? reiserfs, ext3 or jfs? |
| 18:56.37 | \amethyst | SpeCon: something like * - nofile 65536 |
| 18:56.48 | \amethyst | SpeCon: (assuming you want to set both hard and soft limits, for all users) |
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| 18:56.58 | SpeCon | its for an irc server |
| 18:57.01 | yigal | maligor and wols: I am glad virtualization is working, this is good |
| 18:57.04 | SpeCon | have to be set on 65K open files |
| 18:57.09 | \amethyst | SpeCon: does it run as a particular user? |
| 18:57.14 | maligor | yigal, yeah, virtualbox is pretty nice |
| 18:57.16 | scifi | wols: 2.6.18-6, but ive installed kernel 2.6.24 |
| 18:57.33 | wols | scifi: then reboot now and select 2.6.25 |
| 18:57.38 | wols | erm 2.6.24 |
| 18:57.46 | scifi | wols: k brb |
| 18:57.52 | polter | hey people, X sefaults on me on Sid.. (did this on Fedora 9, Etch, and Linux Mint too) http://pastebin.com/m1ce488ef |
| 18:57.56 | wols | then when running it, use the modprobe command |
| 18:57.57 | polter | segfaults |
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| 18:58.33 | SpeCon | amm |
| 18:58.38 | wols | polter: that's sid for your.if it breaks,you are on your own and can keep the parts. both of em |
| 18:58.40 | SpeCon | i just need to know how to set it on 65K |
| 18:58.46 | SpeCon | because the network is large |
| 18:58.51 | polter | wols: well, as I mentioned, it's the same on other distro's |
| 18:58.54 | SpeCon | and my server have to be set like that |
| 18:58.59 | maligor | polter, checked your ram? |
| 18:59.00 | Kovensky | SpeCon: remember sid breaks your toys |
| 18:59.06 | wols | polter: we don't give afuck about other distros... |
| 18:59.08 | SpeCon | Kovensky: ? |
| 18:59.17 | maligor | Kovensky, you just need to harness it properly to break the right toys |
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| 18:59.19 | wols | polter: and yes. check your hardware |
| 18:59.20 | Kovensky | SpeCon: wrong person :P |
| 18:59.24 | SpeCon | ok |
| 18:59.33 | polter | it's a brand new laptop... |
| 18:59.37 | jelly | polter: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Are you using non-free drivers? |
| 18:59.37 | polter | but ok |
| 18:59.37 | Kovensky | polter: "remember sid breaks your toys" |
| 18:59.42 | maligor | polter, check the ram anyway, eh |
| 18:59.47 | polter | jelly intel drivers |
| 18:59.59 | maligor | intel graphics? |
| 18:59.59 | wols | polter: from debian or intel.com? |
| 19:00.05 | polter | wols: from debian |
| 19:00.36 | wols | polter: use a supported distrp and as suggested several times now: check your hardware |
| 19:00.43 | jelly | polter: since you're already using sid, I guess trying xserver-xorg-video-intel from experimental probably won't make things _worse_ :-> |
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| 19:01.24 | polter | the only reason I'm running sid is that it, ironically enough, is the distro that has crashed the least of all i tried |
| 19:01.26 | zinx | jelly: it will if you don't pin stuff properly and end up pulling in all of experimental :D |
| 19:01.38 | jelly | zinx: experimental doesn't do that |
| 19:01.45 | scifi | wols: rebooted and wireless is now available :D, so shud i bother running that modprobe command still?? |
| 19:01.58 | wols | scifi: no |
| 19:02.27 | jelly | zinx: like backports.org, the repository's Release files are marked in such a way to prevent automatic upgrades |
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| 19:03.19 | jelly | yay, etchnhalf makes another user happy |
| 19:03.47 | scifi | wols: its attempting to join my wireless network now........fingers crossed |
| 19:03.59 | pflanze | Hello. Anyone using a recent lenovo ThinkPad and knows how to install the iwlwifi (iwl4965) firmware? |
| 19:04.09 | polter | the log and the xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/m720c3333 http://pastebin.com/m2ca88af7 |
| 19:04.18 | wols | !tell pflanze abouw iwlwifi |
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| 19:04.34 | wols | !tell pflanze about iwlwifi |
| 19:04.56 | scifi | wols: its still attmepting :s |
| 19:04.59 | zinx | jelly: thought you had to do pinning to make that happen :/ |
| 19:05.09 | pflanze | wols: hm ok that's what I did already. |
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| 19:05.14 | zinx | pflanze: get a kernel >=2.6.24 and install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 19:05.22 | zinx | pflanze: should work like magic after doing so |
| 19:06.03 | pflanze | zink_: I'm using 2.6.26.3 from kernel.org, and firmware-iwlwifi is installed, and iwl4965 is already loaded from boot time. |
| 19:06.06 | polter | well if someone would take a look at the two files I paste, I would appreciate it.. I'll log off and do a memtest in the meanwhile |
| 19:06.14 | jelly | polter: hm, you're not running debian's kernel. 2.6.26-3.slh.4-sidux-686 |
| 19:06.25 | zinx | pflanze: then you should be good to go? what does /sbin/iwconfig say? |
| 19:06.26 | jelly | oh well |
| 19:06.32 | wols | yay for liars |
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| 19:06.45 | jelly | no, boo for them! |
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| 19:07.03 | scifi | wols: it didnt manage to connect, shall i try the modprobe command? |
| 19:07.11 | wols | scifi: no |
| 19:07.13 | pflanze | zink_ / wols: the interesting thing is, the interface wlan0 is there and I can even see traffic with tcpdump but I'm never getting an IP with dhcp. |
| 19:07.24 | wols | scifi: do you use wep,wpa,etc? |
| 19:07.24 | zinx | pflanze: what program are you using to connect? |
| 19:07.29 | pflanze | so I thought that it was only working half. |
| 19:07.43 | scifi | wols:wpa |
| 19:07.45 | wols | pflanze: you don't associate? wep wpa, etc`? |
| 19:07.59 | wols | scifi: then you need wpa_supplicant and configure it |
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| 19:08.07 | scifi | :P |
| 19:08.31 | zinx | notes network-manager may configure wpa for you |
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| 19:08.32 | pflanze | hm. I've got just this in my interfaces file: iface wlan0 inet dhcp \n pre-up ifconfig wlan0 up \n pre-up iwconfig wlan0 essid public \n pre-up iwconfig wlan0 key off |
| 19:08.34 | wols | pflanze: are you associated? |
| 19:08.41 | pflanze | what does accociated mean? |
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| 19:09.03 | pflanze | Access Point: Not-Associated |
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| 19:09.24 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 19:09.35 | pickcoder | it means the AP doesn't like you |
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| 19:10.00 | wols | pflanze: wpa, wep? |
| 19:10.58 | Kovensky | which filesystem uses less CPU? xfs or jfs? every cycle counts >< |
| 19:10.59 | apprentice | I'm trying to install Eclipse + PDT on Debian Etch 4.01 does anybody recongnize this ERROR message? |
| 19:10.59 | apprentice | $ /opt/eclipse/eclipse |
| 19:10.59 | apprentice | Warning: -Xms40m option not implemented in java-sablevm wrapper. |
| 19:10.59 | apprentice | Warning: -Xmx256m option not implemented in java-sablevm wrapper. |
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| 19:11.23 | mns | I've got iceweasel, on Debian/testing, and need to access something via a Java applet. The applet needs to have an exception put into the jre/lib/security/java.policy file. There is a system wide file for this under Debian, but is there something on a per-user basis ? Or should I be asking this in a different room ? |
| 19:11.26 | wols | Appiah: use a sun java |
| 19:12.08 | wols | Kovensky: BS |
| 19:12.17 | Kovensky | wols: o_O |
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| 19:12.51 | Kovensky | wols: I intend to play HD h.264 videos and my CPU sucks, so I need to secure a few more cycles for mplayer |
| 19:13.04 | wols | apprentice: a) use a debian eclipse b) use a sun java version |
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| 19:13.23 | \amethyst | mns: ~/.java.policy I believe |
| 19:13.29 | Benalex | Hello all... Debian installer couldn't detect my Network Adapter... is there a way to include it's driver in installer kernel? |
| 19:13.37 | wols | apprentice: last but not least: since when are warnings errors? |
| 19:13.48 | wols | Benalex: what adapter is it? |
| 19:14.09 | Benalex | wols it's Intel 82566DM-2, it's driver is e1000e |
| 19:14.20 | wols | Benalex: get a newer kernel |
| 19:14.24 | wols | !kmuto |
| 19:14.24 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
| 19:14.31 | mns | \amethyst: ok thanks I'll try. |
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| 19:15.02 | apprentice | wols, People at #eclipse told me that Eclipse version in Debian repo is prehistoric. Is it really wise to use old software? |
| 19:15.32 | themill | scifi: was off eating dinner, but I see wols has sorted you out :) |
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| 19:15.34 | wols | apprentice: if you want us to support it you better should use debian software |
| 19:15.44 | wols | themill: you wish |
| 19:15.46 | apprentice | wols, roger! |
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| 19:15.57 | maligor | apprentice, might want to use sun jvm anyway |
| 19:16.08 | maligor | sablevm in etch is probably pretty prehistoric too |
| 19:16.19 | pflanze | Hm, my kernel froze when doing "ifconfig wlan0 up" the second time (the first time I got "cannot allocate memory") |
| 19:16.30 | scifi | themill: yeh but im reading this wpa-supplicant readme doc and it goes on forever, isnt there shorter instructions somewhere? :P |
| 19:16.43 | themill | scifi: are you using gnome? |
| 19:16.55 | scifi | themill: at the moment yes |
| 19:16.59 | wols | themill: evilness! evilness I say! |
| 19:17.07 | apprentice | wols, maligor, which of these packages do you guys recommend "free-java-sdk" or "sun-java5-jdk"? |
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| 19:17.19 | wols | apprentice: the one which says "sun" |
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| 19:17.41 | maligor | as wols tells commands you |
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| 19:18.03 | themill | scifi: then just use network-manager. Run nm-applet if it's not already running and use the thingy in the toolbar to configure it. |
| 19:18.15 | maligor | jeez, my typo skills are clearly on the rise |
| 19:18.43 | zinx | needs to try the latest network-manager, now that you can apparently tell it to not automatically reconnect to everything it ever connects to |
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| 19:18.46 | maligor | apprentice, the sun jvms are by far the best around |
| 19:18.52 | themill | wols: if I can't be arsed using wpasupplicant via config files, be buggered if I'm going to spend time hand holding others to do so |
| 19:19.04 | scifi | themill: i got as far as entering my wpa passphrase, it said attempting to connect to wireless network for a while then failed |
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| 19:19.10 | pflanze | Ok, can anyone advise me how to start up wlan0 on a ThinkPad (iwl4965)? |
| 19:19.16 | wols | themill: fair point |
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| 19:19.23 | mns | \amethyst: That worked ! |
| 19:19.26 | wols | pflanze: I asked you something |
| 19:19.32 | mns | \amethyst: Thanks! |
| 19:19.35 | zinx | wpa_supplicant is annoying, indeed. definitely recommend using frontends that abstract it away :/ |
| 19:19.37 | scifi | themill: i will try entering it again incase there were typos |
| 19:19.40 | themill | wols: the problem is that scifi's problem is now undiagnosable with network-manager ;( |
| 19:19.42 | pflanze | wols: I may have missed it because of the kernel freeze |
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| 19:20.19 | wols | pflanze: my log proves otherwise |
| 19:20.20 | pflanze | There should be a public wireless network, no encryption, no vpn. |
| 19:20.31 | mns | i haven't had much problems with wpasupplicant. never liked network-manager at all. |
| 19:20.34 | pflanze | ssid being "public" |
| 19:20.36 | wols | there should be ponies for everyone too |
| 19:21.05 | pflanze | wols: ? |
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| 19:21.22 | apprentice | maligor, when looking in Synaptic it seems like I already have some sort of JVM is this the one you're talking about? "GNU Classpath modified to work with SableVM JVM" |
| 19:21.30 | wols | pflanze: polite way of saying "you talk bullshit pflanze" |
| 19:21.39 | pflanze | thanks, why? |
| 19:22.00 | scifi | just says attempting to connect to wireless network mynetworkname then nothing :P |
| 19:22.02 | wols | pflanze: caseu you do and don't use even two braincells. but this is OT |
| 19:22.15 | pflanze | wols, thanks you too, but why? |
| 19:22.21 | wols | apprentice: we both told you what to use |
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| 19:22.43 | wols | puts pflanze on ignore. only so much idiocy can be listenened to in the evening |
| 19:22.51 | scifi | ive just remembered i need to change the channel it uses cus my router is on channel 2!!!!!, cud u guys remind me how |
| 19:23.05 | pflanze | wols, what the hell is up with you? |
| 19:23.13 | scifi | its something like iwconfig |
| 19:23.17 | apprentice | wols, do you know the apt-get or Synaptic package name for PDT I couldn't find it earlier? That's why I had to use the "all-in-one-package-installer" |
| 19:23.39 | wols | apprentice: I don't think it exists. all you get is bare eclipse |
| 19:23.54 | apprentice | wols, ok :-( |
| 19:24.05 | wols | apprentice: I don't think you have achoice but use the all in one |
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| 19:24.26 | apprentice | wols, will try to re-install Eclipse + PDT again thanks! |
| 19:24.31 | polter | so. I did a memtest, and there was no errors. also did a quick hdd check and no errors there either.. |
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| 19:24.33 | wols | polter: sidux is not sid. ask a sidux channel |
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| 19:24.50 | manu_hack | there is problem in my laptop, from time to time the terminal becomes sluggy, like pressing a key doesn't repeat anymore as usual, but then /var/log doesn't show any warning or error, interestingly, whenever I run acpi everything will become normal again, and then it will go crazy and run acpi -> normal again, so how could I find out what the problem is? |
| 19:24.59 | wols | !tell polter about sidux |
| 19:25.32 | polter | wols: but... sidux is basically just an installer fĂƒÂ¶r Sid, right? |
| 19:25.43 | wols | polter: no |
| 19:25.58 | wols | sidux is not debian.the end. read what dpkg messaged you |
| 19:26.16 | scifi | pls guys how i change the channel in iwconfig? |
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| 19:26.30 | polter | scifi: what you need to do? |
| 19:26.32 | scifi | i know this is the problem cus it happened with kubuntu too |
| 19:26.42 | manu_hack | i'm quite sure it was acpi thing but how can I find out the exact probelm, right now I don't even know how I could file a bug |
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| 19:27.04 | scifi | polter: i need to change the wifi channel debian is using in iwconfig |
| 19:27.07 | wols | scifi: man iwconfig has examples |
| 19:27.18 | scifi | wols: thx |
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| 19:27.44 | polter | wols: I find it odd that something that uses Debian Sid repos, isn't considered to be debian "the end" :) |
| 19:27.53 | wols | !sidux |
| 19:27.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, sidux is <Debian based> (sid) live distro with special focus on clean and easy hard disk install. [from http://sidux.com/Article2.html] It's <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux (on <oftc>). |
| 19:27.57 | wols | read this |
| 19:28.00 | polter | yeah I read it |
| 19:28.06 | wols | then stop arguing |
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| 19:28.58 | polter | wols: "sidux gives you direct and 100Ă¢Â€Â‰% compatible access to the world's biggest repository of software packages (more than 17Ă¢Â€Â‰000 at the moment in Debian Sid)" |
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| 19:29.05 | polter | but whatever |
| 19:29.26 | wols | polter: they lie |
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| 19:29.36 | wols | polter: your kernel never ever saw a debian repo |
| 19:29.40 | manu_hack | acpi is driving me crazy, I really don't want to put acpi=off ... |
| 19:30.21 | polter | wols: the kernel I'm running now isn't Sid default, I know. I can install the Sid kernel if that would make a difference |
| 19:30.34 | polter | sorry, but I didn't know they were "lying" |
| 19:30.35 | scifi | goddammit operation not supported :P |
| 19:30.48 | wols | polter: it still not debian.please stop |
| 19:30.58 | polter | scifi: iwconfig wlan0 essid "default", for an example |
| 19:31.08 | polter | if the channel is called default and your device is wlan0 that is |
| 19:31.12 | wols | scifi: are you root? |
| 19:31.20 | scifi | wols: yup |
| 19:31.36 | polter | wols: I don't mean to piss you off or anything.. I just didn't realize they weren't completely compatible |
| 19:31.37 | scifi | polter: k will try |
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| 19:31.52 | polter | scifi: don't forget to ask for ip using dhclient :) |
| 19:32.10 | wols | polter: now you know and dpkg told you so. what dpkg says is gospel |
| 19:32.23 | apprentice | When will the next stable Debian version release was it beginning of November? |
| 19:32.30 | scifi | i just remembered, its the frequency i changed before not the channel!! haha |
| 19:32.33 | wols | !tell apprentice about wwlr |
| 19:32.34 | scifi | slaps himself |
| 19:32.48 | apprentice | wwlr? |
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| 19:33.12 | wols | apprentice: read what dpkg just toldyou |
| 19:33.36 | apprentice | wols, :-) tnx |
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| 19:35.16 | scifi | well it accpeted the frequency change, but it still hasnt connected yet Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 19:35.29 | wols | scifi: check your logs |
| 19:35.53 | scifi | i wonder if knocking the aerial on my router when i unplugged the lappy from the ethernet port affected it |
| 19:36.05 | wols | unlikely |
| 19:36.18 | wols | iwlist and iwscan will show the AP usually |
| 19:36.30 | wols | you are just not associated. did you configure wpa correctly? |
| 19:36.33 | scifi | k, its also picked up nextdoors wifi now |
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| 19:37.16 | scifi | wols: i havent configured wpasupplicant , themills said just used the network manager applet |
| 19:38.00 | scifi | wols: i looked a the wpa-supplicant readme but it was rather longwinded |
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| 19:38.52 | wols | scifi: have you configued it to use wpa? |
| 19:39.26 | scifi | wols: yes i selected wpa personal from the drop-down options and entered my passphrase |
| 19:39.39 | wols | check your logs |
| 19:39.48 | scifi | wols: how? |
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| 19:40.22 | wols | by opening them and reading? |
| 19:40.58 | scifi | wols: haha i dont know where they r stored |
| 19:41.12 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:44.36 | scifi | wols: last line in user log says message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0/ for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get.reason |
| 19:45.14 | wols | ask themill. he likes nm |
| 19:46.00 | karrotx | in vi, how do you go to the start of the line? |
| 19:46.06 | karrotx | $ = end, what's beginning? |
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| 19:46.24 | themill | karrotx: 0 (zero) |
| 19:46.34 | karrotx | thanks |
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| 19:48.32 | Benalex | wols can I use boot.img with the iso images I downloaded before? |
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| 19:49.35 | wols | Benalex: possibly if you boot from it and tell it to look on the CD for the rest |
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| 19:53.22 | Benalex | wols I will try it... and get back to you thanks :) |
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| 19:56.36 | Kovensky | I'm getting "W: Failure trying to run: chroot /media/Root mount -t proc proc /proc" when running debootstrap |
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| 19:56.52 | Kovensky | it exits with code 1 afterwards |
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| 19:57.50 | Run | Kovensky: Do you run it as root? |
| 19:58.04 | Kovensky | Run: yes |
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| 19:58.24 | Run | Kovensky: Can you just do: chroot /media/Root and then check if /proc exists? |
| 19:58.48 | Kovensky | Run: it exists and is not mounted |
| 19:59.06 | Kovensky | mounting it before the script doesn't help |
| 19:59.07 | Run | And what do you get if you manually run: mount -t proc proc /proc inside the chroot? |
| 19:59.48 | Kovensky | Run: oh... I chrooted and I'm getting "Exec format error" |
| 19:59.58 | dan-ny | how i can format a hdd on debian? |
| 19:59.58 | Kovensky | I'm on a i686 debian installing an amd64 system |
| 20:00.45 | Run | Kovensky: your cpu is amd64? |
| 20:00.56 | Kovensky | Run: it is, just my running kernel is i686 |
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| 20:01.11 | Kovensky | I booted an usb key I installed with 686 so I could use on old PCs |
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| 20:01.32 | Kovensky | trying to install amd64 debian on a 3-stripe lvm setup I made on my computer and I have neither a spare usb key or a cdrom drive |
| 20:01.34 | Run | Kovensky: Does /usr/bin/linux64 exist inside the chroot? |
| 20:01.57 | Kovensky | Run: yes, it is a symlink to setarch |
| 20:02.14 | Kovensky | I'm passing '--arch amd64' to debootstrap |
| 20:02.17 | Run | try, inside the chroot, /usr/bin/linux64 mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 20:02.33 | Run | or /bin/mount maybe |
| 20:02.34 | \amethyst | you need an amd64 kernel to run 64-bit binaries |
| 20:02.49 | yziquel | hi. i'm looking for package dcc-client on my system. can't find it. can anyone quickly check if they find this packge? |
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| 20:03.00 | Kovensky | Run: chroot: cannot run command `/usr/bin/linux64': Exec format error |
| 20:03.19 | webPragmatist | is cifs supposed to be allowed to add hardlinks/symlinks? |
| 20:03.36 | Kovensky | remembering: I'm on a 32-bit kernel, trying to install a 64-bit one through a chroot |
| 20:03.47 | Kovensky | I have no other means to do that unless I put 2 UPS on my computer =p |
| 20:04.00 | Kovensky | PSU* |
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| 20:04.20 | Jaif | yziquel: the packet is removed |
| 20:04.26 | \amethyst | Kovensky: you will need to boot to an amd64 kernel |
| 20:04.32 | yziquel | Jaif: aĂƒÂ¯e. |
| 20:04.39 | Jaif | yziquel: download the latest version from http://www.rhyolite.com/dcc/ instead |
| 20:04.45 | \amethyst | Kovensky: you simply cannot run 64-bit software on a 686 kernel |
| 20:04.47 | Kovensky | \amethyst: can I use a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userland? |
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| 20:04.50 | \amethyst | Kovensky: yes |
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| 20:05.05 | yziquel | Jaif: hmmm. ok. do you know why it has been removed (just to know...) |
| 20:05.09 | Run | !next |
| 20:05.09 | \amethyst | Kovensky: there are -amd64 kernel packages in the i386 repository |
| 20:05.09 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 20:05.19 | Kovensky | \amethyst: then I'll just need to grab linux-image-2.6.22-3-amd64, reboot into it and then I'll be able to install, right? |
| 20:05.29 | \amethyst | Kovensky: that should do it |
| 20:05.30 | Kovensky | I need 2.6.22 because 2.6.26 has no sata_sis.ko |
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| 20:06.08 | Jaif | yziquel: i think it is because the newer versions is under another license that is not compatible with debian, and the old version that was in debian had bugs that interfered with the dcc-servers |
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| 20:06.38 | yziquel | Jaif: ok. thanks a lot. |
| 20:06.49 | Kovensky | 70MB! it will take ages D: |
| 20:06.52 | Kovensky | well, I can wait =p |
| 20:07.16 | Kovensky | oh, stupid me, reading aptitude's size as download sizes =p |
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| 20:08.45 | Benalex | this file cannot be booted using grub |
| 20:08.48 | Benalex | :| |
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| 20:09.17 | Kovensky | btw, I'm having problems with latest grub, the update-grub script fails all the time :/ |
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| 20:09.31 | Kovensky | not that I can't create the lines by myself, but it is a very convenient script :) |
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| 20:09.51 | Kovensky | latest grub in lenny, I mean |
| 20:10.03 | htmlol | how would I go about handling a phantom window of an application I closed? |
| 20:10.03 | Benalex | no.. I thought I can boot boot.img.gz files using grub |
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| 20:10.25 | simonrvn | htmlol: x window? |
| 20:10.49 | \amethyst | htmlol: gnome has a 'force quit' applet, and maybe even a way to do it from the context menu (I don't run metacity so can't easily check the latter) |
| 20:11.03 | \amethyst | htmlol: or, run ps to look for the process, then kill its PID |
| 20:11.05 | simonrvn | xkill ftw |
| 20:11.53 | maligor | doom process manager provides a more entertaining option |
| 20:12.05 | maligor | atleast until you manage to kill init |
| 20:12.05 | Kovensky | maligor: lol |
| 20:12.12 | Kovensky | maligor: I forgot the name of that game |
| 20:12.14 | Kovensky | it is interesting |
| 20:12.28 | maligor | dunno if that's the name really |
| 20:12.35 | \amethyst | Benalex: .img.gz is a raw disk image that contains its own boot sector |
| 20:12.36 | Kovensky | point your shotgun at X and it is gone :D |
| 20:12.46 | Kovensky | maligor: I forgot the name too; it is in java IIRC |
| 20:12.55 | Benalex | ok here is the thing... I downloaded the first Debian dvd iso, and installing it from harddrive using hd-media kernel, but it cannot detect my network adapter.. |
| 20:12.57 | \amethyst | Benalex: you decompress it then copy it directly to a boot device like a USB stick |
| 20:13.18 | Benalex | \amethyst I can't I am using multi OS machine... GRUB |
| 20:13.30 | htmlol | \amethyst: I'm not using gnome, and the process is already gone |
| 20:13.34 | htmlol | simonrvn: yes x window |
| 20:13.41 | Kovensky | Benalex: you should dd it to an external media |
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| 20:13.45 | Kovensky | and boot the external media |
| 20:13.48 | htmlol | I'm using fluxbox and the application was pidgin if that helps any |
| 20:13.49 | Kovensky | boot.img aren't usable by grub |
| 20:14.10 | Kovensky | htmlol: kill X and it all will go away |
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| 20:14.18 | Benalex | ok... isn't there a kernel that include e1000e driver to start debian harddisk installer? |
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| 20:14.31 | htmlol | bah, wouldn't there be a better way to do it? I'd hate to have all my X applications need to restart again |
| 20:14.47 | Kovensky | htmlol: kill fluxbox WM then |
| 20:14.59 | Kovensky | start 'metacity --replace', for example |
| 20:15.09 | Kovensky | or 'twm --replace', if you're masochist |
| 20:15.36 | Benalex | wols u there? |
| 20:15.42 | \amethyst | htmlol: run xprop | grep PID and click on the window |
| 20:15.47 | \amethyst | htmlol: does that print anything? |
| 20:16.28 | htmlol | no, it doesn't. |
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| 20:17.21 | \amethyst | htmlol: does xkill (then clicking on the window) work? |
| 20:17.21 | Kovensky | \amethyst: do you know why there is no sata_sis.ko on debian's 2.6.26? I really need that driver... |
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| 20:19.20 | htmlol | no, it does not |
| 20:19.22 | webPragmatist | how do you echo the mount properties? |
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| 20:19.33 | webPragmatist | like type, force_uid and stuff |
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| 20:21.05 | xand | why would acpid be using 67% CPU? |
| 20:21.10 | Kovensky | well, /me goes away |
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| 20:23.10 | simonrvn | xkill needs a right click... |
| 20:23.22 | simonrvn | not left click. yes, it's on purpose. |
| 20:23.40 | simonrvn | htmlol: ^^^ |
| 20:24.09 | htmlol | right click didn't work either |
| 20:25.00 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 20:30.46 | Sofus2004 | Is it possible to have debian use more than one core if I run more of the same programs? |
| 20:31.13 | Sofus2004 | Been googling a bit and I cant seem to find any information |
| 20:31.26 | pflanze | Sofus2004: sure, that's the linux kernel doing it. |
| 20:32.02 | pflanze | Sofus2004: depends on what you mean exactly with "more of the same programs", though. |
| 20:32.05 | Sofus2004 | When I do it (tried to compress some files different places on the hdd) it only uses one according to htop |
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| 20:33.01 | pflanze | Sofus2004: dunno about htop, but with "top" you can hit the "1" key and then see the cores and how much they are being used. |
| 20:33.20 | Sofus2004 | Well, htop is just a bit more grafical |
| 20:33.31 | Sofus2004 | Easier for a windows man to understand. :) |
| 20:33.38 | pflanze | Sofus2004: as I said, I don't know it, so can't help there. |
| 20:33.54 | Sofus2004 | Okay, I'll ask google some more then. Thanks though. |
| 20:33.54 | simonrvn | "'graphical'" |
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| 20:34.37 | pflanze | Sofus2004: you need to find out whether you're running an smp enabled kernel, and running top as I said is about the easiest way possible. |
| 20:35.31 | Sofus2004 | Just ran top and I can see all 4 cpu's there. |
| 20:35.32 | apprentice | Does anybody know if apt-get or Synaptic have this package "Web Standard Tools" or "wst"? I can't find it maybe it's known by some other name? |
| 20:36.17 | pflanze | Sofus2004: ok, so which program(s) are you running for compression? |
| 20:36.23 | Sofus2004 | tar |
| 20:36.42 | pflanze | tar is not compression, it's building one file from several |
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| 20:36.53 | pflanze | tar can *use* compression programs itself, though. |
| 20:37.13 | pflanze | tar czf x y will use gzip |
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| 20:37.49 | Sofus2004 | Ah, thanks for clearing that up. |
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| 20:38.13 | pflanze | Sofus2004: so the answer is, if you run multiple such jobs you'll see them use both cores; albeit since you're probably only using one disk the whole thing is very probably disk bound and you'll not see your cores being used much at all. |
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| 20:39.52 | \amethyst | Kovensky: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=485609 seems to be why |
| 20:39.59 | \amethyst | Kovensky: at least, that's all I can find |
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| 20:40.30 | pflanze | I'm still having wlan problems; my cleartext connection attempts are extremely unstable (only up for a few seconds); I'm now trying to get WPA working since the cleartext instability might be a problem with the university network. |
| 20:40.31 | dandc | I'm running lftp, and trying to pipe output from ls to awk. ls | awk '{print}' works fine, but ls | awk '{print $1}' does not. I think it's related to the $. Any ideas? |
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| 20:41.01 | \amethyst | Kovensky: at least, that's all I found searching for sata_sis in the Debian changelog |
| 20:41.03 | pflanze | But I'm getting 'wpa_supplicant: "ipw" wpa-driver is unsupported' |
| 20:41.21 | n3kl | pflanze: use wext |
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| 20:41.33 | zhaozhou | After i've installed a package, which pulls in a few dependencies, when i want to erase that package, how do i get the dependencies with it? |
| 20:41.41 | trip0 | I've got a init script in which I can call /etc/init.d/myinitscript start, and I sym link it to a S99myinitscript in /etc/rc3.d but it doesn't seem to be running when I get into X. anyone have any clue why??? |
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| 20:41.59 | n3kl | zhaozhou: aptptitude autoclean, or deborphan |
| 20:42.05 | \amethyst | dandc: looks like lftp is stupid about its arguments |
| 20:42.23 | n3kl | zhaozhou: or: dpkg --list | grep ^rc | awk '{print $2}' | xargs dpkg -P |
| 20:42.39 | dandc | \amethyst: this is in the interactive shell. Are there any tricks for getting a $ through? |
| 20:42.47 | n3kl | er, nevermind on that last one |
| 20:42.53 | \amethyst | dandc: this works for me ls | awk '{print\ \$1}' |
| 20:42.59 | \amethyst | dandc: I have to backslash the space too |
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| 20:43.17 | dandc | aha, that's the problem. thanks, \amethyst! |
| 20:43.19 | \amethyst | dandc: or ls | awk {print\\ \$1} |
| 20:43.42 | \amethyst | which is strange |
| 20:44.09 | \amethyst | I guess it's interpreting backslash sequences or stripping single quotes, then sending the result through the shell again |
| 20:44.19 | n3kl | awk '{ print $1}' |
| 20:44.20 | \amethyst | s/ again// |
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| 20:44.42 | \amethyst | n3kl: this is in lftp |
| 20:44.57 | \amethyst | n3kl: which seems to do strange things with shell commands |
| 20:45.06 | n3kl | wtf is lftp? |
| 20:45.12 | n3kl | ftp client of some kind? |
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| 20:45.19 | \amethyst | n3kl: yes |
| 20:45.20 | n3kl | light ftp? |
| 20:45.26 | n3kl | Strange |
| 20:45.31 | n3kl | meh, I tried |
| 20:46.07 | \amethyst | n3kl: I suspect the l stands for 'Lukyanov' |
| 20:46.09 | pflanze | n3kl: thanks; tried wext now, doesn't give a warning message anymore, and gets me an ip, but when I ping the router address (route -n) I'm getting Destination Host Unreachable, |
| 20:46.22 | pflanze | and iwconfig says Access Point: Not-Associated |
| 20:46.46 | pflanze | looks like the same issue, i.e. seems to be working a few seconds then goes away, I guess. |
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| 20:47.00 | dandc | \amethyst: any insights on how to get an actual space? ('\\ ' sans ' does not work). I'm trying ls | awk '{print\\ \$6\\ \$7\\ \$9}' |
| 20:47.26 | n3kl | \amethyst: ok |
| 20:47.36 | justin | piping awk to ls? wtf? :) |
| 20:47.41 | justin | er, ls to awk :) |
| 20:48.09 | n3kl | pflanze: well, then I think you know your reasoning. Read /usr/share/wpa_supplicant stuff. I am sure that in there it also talks about ipw drivers and such. |
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| 20:48.30 | n3kl | pflanze: I like to use the roaming mode so I drag my machine form access point to access point and have it auto scan |
| 20:48.37 | dandc | justin: I'm doing this from inside lftp (trying to make a slightly more readable directory listing) |
| 20:48.50 | n3kl | pflanze: if you pasted your wpa_supplicant.conf and your interfaces file I am sure we could take a look at them fo ryou |
| 20:49.16 | jMCg | maligor: how do I make irssi NOT hilight, when people talk to YOU (or say stuff like vigorously or rigor...) |
| 20:49.21 | justin | dandc: would probably be easier just to modify lftp |
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| 20:50.12 | pflanze | n3kl: I'm using what I'm being here, except for having substituted madwifi with wext: http://www.id.ethz.ch/about/sections/kom/dkid/themas/config-wlan-1x/WLAN-Linux-Deb-Usr-Auth |
| 20:50.13 | dandc | justin: I suppose so, but I'm happy piping output (if I can get spaces to work!) |
| 20:50.24 | pflanze | (..being told..) |
| 20:50.27 | scifi | cud anyone help me get my wifi working please |
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| 20:50.54 | maligor | jMCg, how should I know :P |
| 20:51.01 | htmlol | hehehe |
| 20:51.15 | justin | !+cud |
| 20:51.15 | dpkg | methinks cud is what cows chew. It's NOT an alternative spelling of "could". |
| 20:51.30 | maligor | Igor, raise the lightning rod! |
| 20:51.38 | scifi | could anyone help me get my wifi working please |
| 20:51.50 | jMCg | scifi: I can get it to not work. |
| 20:51.56 | scifi | lol |
| 20:52.00 | jMCg | With my anti-wifi karma. |
| 20:52.00 | justin | dandc: tr yls|awk '{ print $1 " " $2}' |
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| 20:52.24 | pflanze | n3kl: and s/ath0/wlan0/ in fact |
| 20:52.30 | scifi | jMcg: it already not works, so theres no point in you trying |
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| 20:53.11 | folken | scifi, what kind of wireless card do you have? |
| 20:53.13 | dandc | justin: not working quite yet, but I'm playing with escaping the ""s :) |
| 20:54.15 | scifi | folken: intel pro 3945 ABG |
| 20:54.32 | folken | scifi, ah sweet i got that one to in my laptop. |
| 20:54.52 | folken | scifi, what distro are you running? testing? |
| 20:55.15 | scifi | folken: ive installed the iwlwif firmware, it detects my network i enter my wpa passphrase, but it just says attempting to connect, then fails |
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| 20:55.30 | scifi | folken: debian 2.6.24 -amd64 |
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| 20:56.21 | julio-saraiva | oi |
| 20:56.33 | folken | scifi, personally i use wpa_supplicant for managing my wifi networks. i think you are using network-manager. |
| 20:57.22 | maligor | need to have wpa_supplicant installed to use nm too |
| 20:57.30 | n3kl | pflanze: instead of dhcp, it should read iface ath0 inet manual, when if you want to use roam, you need wpa-roam instead of wpa-conf. Also, to get dhcp to work, you will want a line near the beginning that specifies default dhcp: iface default inet dhcp |
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| 20:57.40 | folken | maligor, ah thx. didn't know that. |
| 20:57.47 | scifi | folken: ive installed wap_supplicant and started to read the doc , but its really long-winded, need some help configuring it |
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| 20:58.03 | n3kl | scifi: ask pflanze |
| 20:58.05 | maligor | network manager should work tho |
| 20:58.06 | n3kl | =] |
| 20:58.09 | folken | scifi, give me a sec i will give you an example of what i use. |
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| 20:58.26 | maligor | I've used it just fine |
| 20:58.28 | maligor | don't need to configure wpa supp. to us eit |
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| 20:58.44 | scifi | maligor: it worked fine for me with kubuntu/xubuntu, but not debian for some reason |
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| 20:59.12 | Benalex | I need a kernel that includes e1000e driver to install Debian |
| 20:59.28 | pflanze | n3kl: what's ath0 ? should be wlan0, right? |
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| 20:59.53 | elenril | scifi, http://pastebin.ca/1195198 |
| 20:59.59 | n3kl | pflanze: yeah yeah, whatever your device name is |
| 21:00.06 | pflanze | k |
| 21:00.43 | folken | scifi, http://pastebin.com/d2bc27982 for wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 21:00.47 | elenril | scifi, this is part of my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:01.11 | scifi | thx guys, will take a look at both |
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| 21:01.54 | n3kl | pflanze: in case you missed it, I think folken is pasing something |
| 21:02.09 | scifi | elenril: my 1st big problem is my wlan device isnt even listed in that interfaces file, did u add those lines urself? |
| 21:02.09 | SamuraiDio | how do i check my Debian version number? |
| 21:02.58 | elenril | scifi, sure, i don't trust gui configurators :) |
| 21:02.58 | maligor | I think the version numbers are only meaningful for static media like cd/dvd images |
| 21:03.23 | n3kl | SamuraiDio: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:03.27 | scifi | folken: where do i find the wpa_supplicant.conf file m8? |
| 21:03.57 | Posterdati | hi |
| 21:03.57 | folken | scifi, /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 21:04.24 | Posterdati | please what does this error mean compiling kernel for arm? warning: target CPU does not support interworking |
| 21:05.01 | scifi | just a sec guys, ive just found another gui for configuring ur network settings, im attempting to activate my wlan0 there... |
| 21:05.12 | SamuraiDio | n3kl, that just tell me the release name, i want the number |
| 21:05.26 | folken | scifi, http://pastebin.com/d33017c0c |
| 21:05.37 | elenril | scifi, don't waste time with that |
| 21:05.53 | folken | scifi, my interfaces only references the wpa_supplicant.conf . I do all configuration there, as my laptop joins a mirad of nets. |
| 21:06.06 | elenril | my or folken's way is faster and more probable to work |
| 21:06.11 | danih | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.13 | danih | on its kernel |
| 21:06.23 | scifi | ok guys will try it in a sec |
| 21:06.33 | Benalex | danih I need e1000e |
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| 21:06.43 | pflanze | n3kl: thanks, but neither works. |
| 21:06.49 | Benalex | and I won't download a whole cd image for a single file |
| 21:07.01 | Benalex | I already have Debian 4 DVDs |
| 21:07.03 | n3kl | pflanze: what card are you using? |
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| 21:07.57 | pflanze | n3kl: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection (rev 61 |
| 21:07.57 | pflanze | ) |
| 21:08.19 | n3kl | pflanze: that uses the iwl driver, right? |
| 21:08.24 | pflanze | yep |
| 21:08.33 | scifi | omg this one worked!!!! |
| 21:08.38 | pflanze | iwl4965 |
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| 21:09.14 | n3kl | pflanze: make a paste of your files |
| 21:09.33 | adie | I want to build a standard lenny kernel with both debians patches and a select other one, but am having trouble finding my way around the patching/build system.. please can somebody point me to a google term/documentation? |
| 21:09.51 | scifi | folken/elenril: i dont know whys theres a completely different gui to the network manager one, but this other one has worked |
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| 21:10.41 | scifi | folken/elenril: my next question is, how do i get it to store my password after each reboot without asking me to open that stupid keyring storage thing |
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| 21:11.18 | folken | scifi, again use wpa_supplicant. its much more comfortable. :) |
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| 21:11.30 | elenril | agrees with folken |
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| 21:11.47 | scifi | folken: will that store my password too? |
| 21:11.50 | folken | scifi, i use puppet to distribute my wpa_supplicant.conf to several machines i use. |
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| 21:12.03 | folken | scifi, yes. have a look at my wpa_supplicant.conf above. |
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| 21:12.48 | grendal_prime | ok this is werid...im building a package that replaces serveral config files (the grub menu.lst being one) for whatever reason it does not put the files in and deletes the files its replacing.. |
| 21:13.03 | slackd00d | whats a good webpage that shows how to make a kernel the debian way |
| 21:13.18 | slackd00d | dpkg wasn't much help |
| 21:13.18 | dpkg | slackd00d: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 21:14.44 | slackd00d | nm i got it |
| 21:14.58 | pflanze | n3kl: http://pastebin.ca/1195211 |
| 21:15.10 | scifi | folken: hmmm i have a wpa supplicant folder but no wpa_supplicant.conf file ^^ |
| 21:15.20 | folken | scifi, you can create it |
| 21:15.26 | scifi | oh right |
| 21:15.30 | sabayonuser | i can't compile the driver of my wireless ... it says "/lib/module/kernel2.6.18-6amd/buid doesn't exists" ... i think i need some headers ... but i already installed them |
| 21:15.31 | folken | scifi, the stuff i pasted is complete. |
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| 21:16.11 | folken | sabayonuser, m-a prepare should install all packages required for kernel module building. |
| 21:16.14 | webPragmatist | nyone wish to help me figure out an rdiff-backup problem? http://pastebin.ca/1195206 |
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| 21:16.23 | pflanze | n3kl: I did try with wpa-conf instead of wpa-roam and with inet dhcp and with/without the iface default line in +-all combinations. |
| 21:16.44 | sabayonuser | folken: "m-a prepare" ? |
| 21:16.55 | scifi | folken: SSID is my networkname right? |
| 21:16.57 | folken | sabayonuser, yes its module-assiant. |
| 21:17.01 | sabayonuser | folken: will i need to access internet ? |
| 21:17.02 | folken | scifi, correct. |
| 21:17.19 | folken | sabayonuser, it downloads packages from your repository. |
| 21:17.22 | scifi | folken: and psk is my wpa passphrase? |
| 21:17.30 | folken | scifi, also correct. |
| 21:17.44 | sabayonuser | folken: well that's a problem because i don't have access to internet |
| 21:18.03 | Kovensky | \amethyst: yeah, after booting to amd64 it worked |
| 21:18.17 | Kovensky | didn't expect chroot would be needed by debootstrap, needs more source worshipping |
| 21:18.21 | folken | sabayonuser, but you have your /etc/apt/sources file configured? |
| 21:18.46 | folken | sabayonuser, for example to point to your dvds? |
| 21:19.41 | folken | sabayonuser, basically m-a prepare will install your kernel-headers for you. That should resolve the issue you have described above. |
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| 21:20.06 | sabayonuser | folken: i only have dvd 1 , and i typed "apt-cdrom add" |
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| 21:20.31 | sabayonuser | folken: are you sure that i have the files in dvd 1? |
| 21:20.32 | folken | sabayonuser, hmm well you can try and pray that its on dvd1. :) |
| 21:20.43 | sabayonuser | folken: ehehe ...=/ |
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| 21:21.22 | scifi | folken: ok created and saved my conf file in /etc |
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| 21:21.50 | folken | scifi, hmm i have the file in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 21:22.03 | scifi | folken: ok i'll move it |
| 21:22.07 | folken | scifi, it doesn't matter aslong as /etc/network/interfaces wpa-conf is correct. |
| 21:22.32 | folken | sabayonuser, if the package is missing, you can download the package manually from packages.debian.org |
| 21:22.42 | scifi | folken: cud u give me the pastebin for that too |
| 21:22.43 | folken | sabayonuser, and install it from usb stick with dpkg -i |
| 21:23.22 | scintilla_ | bye |
| 21:23.33 | folken | scifi, http://pastebin.com/d3dba5e4b |
| 21:23.39 | n3kl | pflanze: looks good to me. Only thingk I am not sure about is your network block. Never used chap and stuff. SO I would start there, other than that your interfaces and everything look good |
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| 21:23.59 | sabayonuser | folken: do you know the name of the package ? |
| 21:24.32 | folken | sabayonuser, kernel-headers-$insert your kernel version here. |
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| 21:24.48 | folken | sabayonuser, but i'd use modules-assistant (short m-a). |
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| 21:25.03 | scifi | folken: not sure whether to alter mine completely or add lines to it |
| 21:25.10 | folken | sabayonuser, maybe you will have to install modules-assistant. |
| 21:25.18 | folken | scifi, if there is no section for wlan0 |
| 21:25.32 | pflanze | n3kl: which network block? what do you mean with "chap"? |
| 21:25.37 | scifi | folken: i'll pastebin it |
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| 21:26.15 | n3kl | pflanze: the network block in your wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 21:26.23 | n3kl | pflanze: the chap block, yeah |
| 21:26.47 | pflanze | the phase2="auth=MSCHAPV2" thing? |
| 21:27.12 | scifi | folken: could u take a look pls - pastebin.com/m51cf5448 |
| 21:27.13 | sabayonuser | folken: http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-amd64 , this would be fine ? |
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| 21:27.30 | folken | sabayonuser, that looks correct. |
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| 21:29.03 | folken | scifi, remove the auto wlan0 line, remove the wireless-essid line and remove the iface wlan0 line.. |
| 21:29.22 | folken | scifi, replace with the stuff out of my pastebin entry. |
| 21:29.48 | sabayonuser | folken: ok folken ... i will double double click the package after i reinstall it |
| 21:29.53 | sabayonuser | i mean after i boot |
| 21:30.09 | sabayonuser | folken: thanks |
| 21:30.16 | folken | sabayonuser, dpkg -i <packagename> will install the package |
| 21:30.23 | folken | sabayonuser, from the commandline. |
| 21:31.36 | sabayonuser | folken: ok thanks |
| 21:31.38 | scifi | folken: ok done |
| 21:31.46 | pflanze | How can I verify that my intel 4965 wlan controller is really running the right firmware? (I've got firmware-iwlwifi installed but how do I know whether it's being used?) |
| 21:31.59 | folken | scifi, you can now ifdown wlan0 and then ifup wlan0. |
| 21:32.01 | pflanze | (and I'm on lenny) |
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| 21:32.04 | folken | scifi, that should connect you |
| 21:32.17 | scifi | folken: k ty will try |
| 21:32.46 | pflanze | (with a kernel.org kernel 2.6.26.3, with CONFIG_FW_LOADER=m) |
| 21:32.57 | folken | pflanze, i think when you cannot up the interface e.g. with ifconfig up |
| 21:33.16 | pflanze | (and iwl4965 gets loaded automatically) |
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| 21:33.40 | pflanze | well, there's no problem getting it up; now at least -- as I mentioned, earlier today the kernel froze when I did |
| 21:33.53 | pflanze | so it's all a bit strange. dunno what to trust. |
| 21:34.11 | folken | pflanze, can you do iwconfig <your interface name here> list ? |
| 21:34.31 | pflanze | iwconfig: unknown command "list" |
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| 21:34.38 | scifi | folken: wow that was impressive, thankyou very much m8 |
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| 21:35.22 | pflanze | folken: I can "iwlist wlan0 scan" and it shows me an impressive number of connect points. |
| 21:35.26 | folken | pflanze, sorry.. iwlist scan |
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| 21:35.37 | folken | pflanze, argh.. iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 21:35.39 | scifi | folken: i still have a feeling after a reboot that the nm-applet will launch keyring and ask me for a password again or will it? |
| 21:35.58 | folken | scifi, it should no longer manage wlan0 interface. |
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| 21:36.20 | folken | scifi, nm only manages interfaces that are on auto in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:36.40 | scifi | folken: ah i see, thankyou very much m8 |
| 21:36.46 | folken | scifi, once your system comes up on boot it will scan available networks, join the ones listed in wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 21:37.01 | pflanze | folken: shows 23 Cells. A few of them with ESSID:"public", which are advertised by the university as being accessible without WPA, but as I said, it doesn't work, I get an IP but then it ends. |
| 21:37.09 | scifi | folken: nice |
| 21:37.31 | pflanze | so I really think something is broken on a lower level here. For other people wlan works here. |
| 21:37.40 | scifi | folken: is there some way to encrypt that wpa_supplicant.conf file tho? |
| 21:38.08 | pflanze | scifi: you should make it's permission so that nobody except root can read it |
| 21:38.58 | scifi | pflanze: k will do thx |
| 21:39.00 | folken | scifi, as pflanze stated. |
| 21:39.09 | scifi | :) |
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| 21:39.24 | folken | pflanze, unfortunalty its always tricky with new wifi hardware. |
| 21:39.40 | pflanze | (scifi: in general there's no point encrypting such things as you then need another key to decrypt; although with a daemon which is holding the decryption in memory that might make some sense and gnome etc. have some such) |
| 21:39.42 | folken | pflanze, i think you have a draft n device, which is really really new. :) |
| 21:39.52 | pflanze | (scifi: but probably not usable here) |
| 21:40.02 | folken | pflanze, tried to use ndiswrapper? |
| 21:40.07 | folken | i know its dirty. |
| 21:40.15 | pflanze | folken: no, haven't tried. |
| 21:40.19 | scifi | pflanze: yeh i might some kind of encryption that is held in memory |
| 21:40.30 | maligor | pflanze, for nm, you can use pan opened keychains |
| 21:40.37 | maligor | err.. pam |
| 21:40.48 | maligor | which is quite handy |
| 21:41.03 | pflanze | maligor: ok, explain to scifi |
| 21:41.31 | maligor | it just involves the use of libpam-gnome-keyring and network-manager |
| 21:41.36 | folken | no, no that makes things complicated. just take away the read rights for everyone. :) |
| 21:42.02 | scifi | i looked into pam, looked a little "messy" :P |
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| 21:42.56 | folken | pam can be fun.. and it can be horror. But it is really cool when it works. At work i have it authenticate via ldap and automatically generate a homedir for the user if it does not exist. |
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| 21:43.39 | folken | my thinkpad can authenticate via fingerprint reader. |
| 21:44.20 | jaalto | Can anyone recommend GUI similar to for "windows File maneger > Search" under Debian? |
| 21:44.29 | maligor | mmm.. where did I put the saw |
| 21:44.48 | folken | maligor, hehe :) |
| 21:44.49 | jaalto | KDE or Gnome equivalent? |
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| 21:45.25 | scifi | so if i just untick read rights for group and others in permissions tab is that right? |
| 21:45.36 | maligor | folken, I guess it doesn't have a cool scanning animation like in the movies? |
| 21:45.50 | folken | jaalto, there are desktop search tools such as beagle. |
| 21:46.14 | folken | maligor, no.. its plain booring. and you have to pull your finger across it. |
| 21:46.27 | pflanze | I think I'll just dig out my old wireless pcmcia card and try to use that on my new laptop. Going to look into that tomorrow. Thanks for helping though! |
| 21:46.29 | folken | maligor, but whats cool: sudo -s please enter password or swipe finger. |
| 21:46.39 | folken | pflanze, sorry couldn't help. |
| 21:46.40 | jaalto | folken: Not indexing tools, just "Search" functionality from the point of click, like conqueror directory |
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| 21:46.51 | jaalto | konqueror |
| 21:47.16 | pflanze | folken: np, not your fault, probably just too new hardware. Thanks again. |
| 21:47.35 | maligor | folken, easier to get sudo while drunk, eh |
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| 21:47.57 | folken | jaalto, do you mean tools -> find file ? |
| 21:48.30 | jaalto | folken: Damn me, couldn't see it. Thanks. |
| 21:48.44 | folken | jaalto, i had to search too... :) |
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| 21:49.20 | scifi | btw guys i installed this debian without the use of a CD drive or usb :D |
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| 21:50.21 | scifi | >>>>> http://www.goodbye-windows.com/ worked really well ^^ |
| 21:50.24 | shamrock | I jus installed a windows program using setup.exe and WINE covered it, but where do I start the program from? |
| 21:50.53 | danbhfive | im having trouble with my webcam on ubuntu. Does anyone think it will work better in debian maybe? |
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| 21:50.56 | folken | shamrock, it is listed under wine-applications in your menu |
| 21:52.00 | shamrock | folken: whcih menu? |
| 21:52.27 | folken | shamrock, otherwise you can also browse your c drive in .wine/drive_c/programs/ ... |
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| 21:52.46 | Killeroid | hi, i am going to wipe my hd and reinstall ubuntu in a few minutes. I am considering switching to reiserfs. is that a good idea? I am using a laptop btw but the laptop is almost always plugged in. |
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| 21:53.03 | folken | danbhfive, unlikley. ubuntu is more known for "plug and play" than debian. |
| 21:53.47 | folken | Killeroid, aside from jokes against a certain programmer that killed his wife.. |
| 21:54.09 | Killeroid | yeah, aside from that |
| 21:54.13 | folken | Killeroid, usually ext3 suits most usecases fine. |
| 21:54.30 | folken | Killeroid, although reiserfs v3 is also very good. |
| 21:54.46 | scifi | how do i install flash for epiphany guys? |
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| 21:54.54 | folken | Killeroid, reiserfs has the advantge of online shrinking where ext3 cannot do that. |
| 21:54.59 | danbhfive | folken: well, the cam works, its just the programs. I was thinking that maybe the programs are better supported in debian than ubuntu. Sometimes, ubuntu-ware is the only thing that works on ubuntu... I dont know |
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| 21:55.12 | brimstone | so, what's the deal with dom0 and anything later then 2.6.18 ? |
| 21:55.26 | \amethyst | foo &> bar is like foo > bar 2>&1 |
| 21:55.27 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 21:55.55 | folken | brimstone, xen is redhat enterprise serverish.. and they don't support another kernel at the moment. |
| 21:56.10 | brimstone | ug, redhat just bought kvm too |
| 21:56.39 | folken | brimstone, doh. :) |
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| 21:57.08 | brimstone | yeah, i need a newer open-iscsi then etch's to multipath |
| 21:57.21 | folken | danbhfive, basically everthing that isn't ubuntu in ubuntu is debian. so i wouldn't think that that would be better, aside from different program versions. |
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| 21:57.46 | folken | danbhfive, debian has a more applications, but they can also be added to ubuntu. |
| 21:57.58 | danbhfive | o well |
| 21:58.06 | folken | danbhfive, what applications are you planning on using? |
| 21:58.15 | danbhfive | I want to use my webcam |
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| 21:58.27 | folken | danbhfive, i got that, but what for ? msn-video chat? |
| 21:58.33 | danbhfive | its supposed to have a fully opensource driver |
| 21:58.44 | danbhfive | either video chat, or youtube |
| 21:59.15 | folken | danbhfive, did you try skype / ekiga / wengophone? |
| 21:59.31 | folken | danbhfive, try ekiga if its installed. |
| 21:59.33 | danbhfive | folken: it already works with ekiga, so I think I can do video chat. But ekiga doesn't record. All the other programs throw errors and crash |
| 21:59.52 | adama | danbhfive: try cheese |
| 22:00.21 | danbhfive | adama: cheese gives me a video test screen, you know, with those bars of different colors |
| 22:00.32 | folken | danbhfive, try this: http://www.linux.com/feature/126186 |
| 22:00.43 | adama | humm |
| 22:00.53 | folken | danbhfive, just out of interest, what cam are you using? |
| 22:00.54 | danbhfive | folken: ooo, ok, thanks, looks cool |
| 22:01.15 | danbhfive | folken: logitech QuickCam Pro for Notebooks |
| 22:01.52 | danbhfive | o fuck |
| 22:02.02 | danbhfive | ITS A DIFFERENT MODEL!!!! |
| 22:02.08 | danbhfive | sorry sorry |
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| 22:04.26 | danbhfive | I thought I was getting one of the cams listed here: http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/cameras turns out, I got something different : ( |
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| 22:06.27 | folken | danbhfive, well if it works.. |
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| 22:07.06 | octoserver | is there a host file in any distro called schost or something ? |
| 22:08.25 | folken | octoserver, do you mean the /etc/hosts file ? |
| 22:08.29 | dmoerner | what happened to sun-java6-jre in sid? |
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| 22:08.53 | themill | dmoerner: what about it? |
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| 22:09.03 | octoserver | well, someone was talking and said what i thought sounded like schosts file, and i was thinking to myself, i dont thinj that is what it is called |
| 22:09.22 | dmoerner | themill: it just reported itself as obsolete and is no longer showed as available by apt-cache policy, but http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/sun-java6.html says nothing |
| 22:09.29 | octoserver | they were talking about DNS problems |
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| 22:09.58 | themill | dmoerner: did you remove either sid or non-free from your sources.list? |
| 22:10.06 | dmoerner | themill: no i didn't but it was just a bad mirror sync |
| 22:10.13 | themill | ahh |
| 22:10.30 | folken | octoserver, apt-file search schosts returns nothing. |
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| 22:13.05 | octoserver | folken: ive been trying to find SC XE SE lol, im not sure what he was saying. Im going to have to ask him, and ask what OS it is he is talking about |
| 22:13.28 | octoserver | folken: all you should need for DNS is the host file right? |
| 22:13.58 | octoserver | folken: and host.allow |
| 22:14.18 | octoserver | folken: even google doesnt seem to find what i am looking for lol |
| 22:14.34 | folken | octoserver, well you define in /etc/nsswitch.conf how a host is searched |
| 22:15.09 | folken | octoserver, there is an entry that is called files, so it will first look in /etc/hosts for hosts. /etc/networks for networks, /etc/users for users and so on. |
| 22:15.32 | folken | if unsuccessfull it will search dns or whatever you specify. |
| 22:15.32 | octoserver | hmm |
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| 22:16.11 | folken | octoserver, you can make entries in /etc/hosts like yadada.com 222.10.3..1 |
| 22:16.31 | folken | octoserver, and this will resolve then to that ip when you enter ping yadada.com |
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| 22:16.40 | octoserver | right |
| 22:17.31 | folken | actually its first ip then host |
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| 22:18.24 | jhamlin | hi folks, my fonts look kinda crappy in KPDF. Is there anyway to improve their appearance? |
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| 22:19.16 | folken | jhamlin, maybe installing more fonts? |
| 22:19.37 | folken | jhamlin, corefonts for example. |
| 22:20.44 | mikef | hi :O |
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| 22:21.57 | folken | hi mikef |
| 22:23.42 | mikef | hey folken |
| 22:23.53 | mikef | whats a good text editer for Linux? |
| 22:24.02 | mikef | with a gui..not like nano or something. |
| 22:24.09 | streuner | !start an editor war |
| 22:24.10 | dpkg | pico sucks |
| 22:24.28 | mikef | I'm trying to decide what to install on my desktop at home :X |
| 22:24.43 | mikef | or mayb I already have one :o |
| 22:24.46 | mikef | checks |
| 22:24.52 | folken | mikef, kedit / gedit ? |
| 22:25.00 | mikef | oo |
| 22:25.05 | mikef | I got one called Kate |
| 22:25.06 | streuner | nano is installed by default :-) |
| 22:25.12 | folken | mikef, that is cool too. |
| 22:25.24 | mikef | do you know where it would be located at folken? |
| 22:25.38 | mikef | Filezilla wants to know a location so i can edit things on my VPS :P |
| 22:25.59 | folken | %) |
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| 22:26.03 | streuner | !find kate |
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| 22:26.32 | mikef | streuner? |
| 22:26.38 | folken | mikef, you mean the package ? |
| 22:26.43 | streuner | usually dpkg -L <package> should know |
| 22:26.44 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'kate' (5 of 23): (/usr/bin/katerm) in x11/aterm-ml ;; (/usr/lib/kde4/katepart.so) in libs/kdelibs5 ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/kde4/katepart.so) in libdevel/kdelibs5-dbg ;; (/usr/lib/kde3/{kickermenu_kate.la|kickermenu_kate.so}) in kde/kicker ;; (/usr/bin/kate, /etc/kde3/katerc, /usr/lib/mime/packages/kate) in editors/kate. |
| 22:26.57 | mikef | folken, Filezilla is asking where my text editor is |
| 22:27.02 | mikef | dunno where to tell it lol |
| 22:27.19 | folken | ahhh.. |
| 22:27.21 | streuner | look what dpkg told you :-) |
| 22:27.21 | folken | now i get it. |
| 22:27.48 | mikef | streuner, dunno which one tho |
| 22:27.51 | mikef | i need one file |
| 22:27.52 | folken | jep have a look above at dpkg there you will find the path. |
| 22:28.00 | folken | mikef, well since you want kate |
| 22:28.00 | mikef | you click browse and pick it :X |
| 22:28.08 | streuner | /usr/bin/kate |
| 22:28.50 | folken | i think linux has become to easy to install... |
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| 22:29.07 | streuner | tell news |
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| 22:29.22 | mikef | eh, I don't see it there :\ |
| 22:29.34 | streuner | mikef: dpkg -l kate |
| 22:29.38 | folken | mikef you can also type the path. |
| 22:29.41 | mikef | folken, possibly...whats wrong with that though? |
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| 22:29.50 | christophe59500 | hi |
| 22:29.58 | harmattan | Hi. Are there any plans for debian to be shipped with a 'libre' kernel (one without binary blob)? |
| 22:30.22 | mikef | reid@reid-desktop:~$ dpkg -l kate |
| 22:30.22 | mikef | No packages found matching kate |
| 22:30.23 | mikef | :X |
| 22:30.25 | christophe59500 | i want to install centos or fedora on domU (Xen), but i have a bug, and i don't know how to do this |
| 22:30.30 | krey | I think how easy the installation is, depends on the distribution |
| 22:30.31 | mikef | its hiding on me lol |
| 22:30.33 | christophe59500 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=359140#msg5 |
| 22:30.39 | krey | installing debian is really easy |
| 22:30.48 | mikef | krey, exactly...you won't see any noob installing gentoo :P |
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| 22:31.19 | krey | mhhh no stage 1 install |
| 22:31.20 | mikef | eh..I wonder where kate is :\ |
| 22:31.50 | krey | maybe noobs try a stage3 install.... it isn't such hard to do |
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| 22:32.10 | folken | krey, i think you are in the wrong channel. :) |
| 22:32.32 | krey | lol ;) |
| 22:32.35 | mikef | folken, dpkg didnt find it. |
| 22:32.37 | folken | krey, err soory.. got distracted. |
| 22:32.46 | mikef | lol |
| 22:32.50 | streuner | !installit |
| 22:32.50 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 22:32.55 | folken | krey, girlfriends... (linux is really _too_ easy to install.) |
| 22:33.07 | mikef | streuner, its installed. |
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| 22:33.26 | mikef | I can open it and everything :P |
| 22:33.26 | christophe59500 | which one can explain that to me -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rpmstrap/+bug/148005 |
| 22:33.37 | mikef | it came with KDE :X |
| 22:33.44 | krey | oO... bad rpm's |
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| 22:33.51 | mikef | Oo |
| 22:34.10 | streuner | and *bunt* |
| 22:34.38 | folken | krey, rpms suck anyway.. just use alien to make a nice .deb :P |
| 22:35.03 | krey | if you're use Debian christophe59500... there is no need for rpm's |
| 22:35.26 | christophe59500 | krey, i want to install centos on domU under debian, ubuntu |
| 22:35.38 | streuner | heh |
| 22:35.51 | streuner | christophe: #ubuntu |
| 22:35.57 | krey | alien ;) oO |
| 22:36.10 | christophe59500 | streuner ok i see, thank |
| 22:36.31 | krey | and why do you write somethink from rpmstrap |
| 22:36.32 | mikef | anybody want to help me? :\ |
| 22:36.41 | mikef | is there another way to find kate lol |
| 22:36.44 | krey | whats your problem mikef |
| 22:36.48 | folken | mikef, /usr/bin/kate |
| 22:36.51 | krey | mhhhh |
| 22:36.56 | mikef | folken, doesn't exit. |
| 22:37.00 | krey | find . -name kate |
| 22:37.05 | streuner | !info kate |
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| 22:37.15 | krey | man kate && locate kate |
| 22:37.31 | dpkg | kate: (advanced text editor for KDE), section editors, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 807 kB, Installed size: 2292 kB |
| 22:37.41 | folken | rm /usr/bin/kate :P |
| 22:37.54 | krey | lol, is dpkg a bot? |
| 22:37.56 | mikef | rm? |
| 22:38.03 | folken | argh.... |
| 22:38.08 | folken | mikef, no do not rm |
| 22:38.10 | mikef | why would i want to do that.. |
| 22:38.10 | krey | haha, you shoudn't do this |
| 22:38.14 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 22:38.14 | dpkg | I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
| 22:38.25 | krey | hahaha.... |
| 22:38.27 | mikef | geeze, trying to kill kate all together >.< |
| 22:38.38 | krey | killall kate |
| 22:38.47 | krey | maybe you can finger her ? |
| 22:39.01 | folken | unzip |
| 22:39.07 | folken | touch |
| 22:39.13 | krey | pah folken.... you pervert |
| 22:39.16 | krey | *gg* |
| 22:39.23 | folken | finger |
| 22:39.25 | folken | mount |
| 22:39.34 | folken | etc.. |
| 22:39.35 | krey | do ... in |
| 22:39.36 | Kovensky | fsck |
| 22:39.40 | Kovensky | more |
| 22:39.42 | Kovensky | yes |
| 22:39.44 | Kovensky | umount |
| 22:39.44 | krey | hahha Kovensky |
| 22:39.45 | Kovensky | sleep |
| 22:39.51 | folken | woohoo. |
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| 22:40.12 | pflanze | I've never found out so far how to change the mappings of file types (well suffixes) to programs in current Gnome/Nautilus. Any hint? |
| 22:40.16 | krey | Does anyone know a IRC channel for beautiful girls? |
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| 22:40.34 | ech0dish | how do i log boot up? |
| 22:40.38 | Kovensky | krey: you're doomed; cool guys that hang out in #debian hardly get beatiful girls :/ |
| 22:40.44 | ech0dish | i am having a rather strange issue and need to log boot |
| 22:40.45 | folken | krey, irc.bluewin.ch #flirt20plus |
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| 22:40.51 | folken | krey, lots of hairy old men. |
| 22:41.01 | xsdg | folken: heh |
| 22:41.02 | krey | ech0dish, search /var/log/messages |
| 22:41.11 | mikef | http://pastebin.ca/1195289 |
| 22:41.13 | folken | krey, oh and its internets worst. |
| 22:41.15 | krey | or /var/log/dmesg |
| 22:41.25 | ech0dish | i get an irq conflict with ndiswrapper when i boot without dc power |
| 22:41.35 | ech0dish | weird... |
| 22:41.45 | krey | hahaha flirt20plus |
| 22:41.51 | mikef | this one: /home/reid/.kde4/share/apps/kate? |
| 22:41.52 | krey | im in anger about the plus |
| 22:42.01 | ech0dish | it completely locks up |
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| 22:42.28 | krey | mhh without dc power? |
| 22:42.34 | Kovensky | is (trying to) flirt with a blonde cute girl in my college class; was getting success in the beginning but now it is fail :/ |
| 22:42.40 | pflanze | Or, how to change "TextEditor" to something I choose. Short of using dpkg-divert (harhar). |
| 22:42.42 | folken | ech0dish, maybe cpu-scaling or other powermanagment? |
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| 22:42.47 | krey | try it with cow powers ?! |
| 22:42.50 | folken | ech0dish, try disableing acpid ? |
| 22:43.07 | ech0dish | don't know how |
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| 22:43.19 | ech0dish | but i believe acpi has something to do with it |
| 22:43.29 | folken | Kovensky, for each girl in `cat class` ; do .. |
| 22:43.33 | ech0dish | i can watch from diagnostic boot and it says something about it |
| 22:43.42 | mikef | helps pwease? |
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| 22:43.56 | Kovensky | folken: almost all girls in my class are ugly or not my type... but this one is hawt |
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| 22:44.23 | folken | Kovensky, then retry and retry :) |
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| 22:44.39 | folken | Kovensky, polling is also a rather good idea. but device might be annoyed. |
| 22:44.51 | Kovensky | folken: indeed |
| 22:45.04 | krey | ... |
| 22:45.29 | mikef | sighs : |
| 22:45.34 | folken | device was annoyed. |
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| 22:45.41 | krey | hey |
| 22:45.42 | krey | ;) |
| 22:45.42 | folken | wb krey |
| 22:45.54 | krey | pls tell me again the 20plus channel ,) |
| 22:46.14 | folken | mikef, you browse to the / directory then to /usr then to bin , then select kate |
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| 22:46.33 | mikef | folken, IT DOESNT EXIST! |
| 22:46.38 | folken | krey, irc.bluewin.ch #flirt20plus |
| 22:46.57 | folken | mikef, then its not installed or you are doing something wrong. |
| 22:47.05 | krey | Software caused connection aboard |
| 22:47.06 | folken | mikef, look for kedit in same directory. |
| 22:47.21 | folken | krey, its been a while.. |
| 22:47.36 | mikef | folken, * You are permanently banned from this network. no proxies/vhosts/bouncers. B |
| 22:47.36 | mikef | * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). |
| 22:47.38 | mikef | :{ |
| 22:48.16 | mikef | folken, kedit isnt there either |
| 22:48.21 | mikef | /usr/bin right? |
| 22:48.39 | folken | mikef, correct. |
| 22:48.48 | mikef | neither are there |
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| 22:48.59 | krey_ | mhhhh |
| 22:49.01 | krey_ | wahhh |
| 22:49.05 | folken | mikef, are you looking locally ? |
| 22:49.06 | krey_ | bad connection problems |
| 22:49.12 | mikef | but kate works fine if i type it in and click on it in the start menu thing :X |
| 22:49.15 | folken | krey, its a filthy server. . |
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| 22:49.21 | mikef | folken, erm..locally? |
| 22:49.30 | folken | krey, and they have some java client.. |
| 22:49.30 | mikef | Its on my desktop that Im talking to you from yes? |
| 22:49.38 | krey_ | Are there really girls? |
| 22:49.47 | krey_ | doesn't exist a teeny channel? |
| 22:49.49 | folken | krey, forgett it its not worth it. |
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| 22:50.02 | krey_ | Or are there only fat hairy truckers? |
| 22:50.09 | folken | krey, spend your time on okcupid.com |
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| 22:50.24 | Kovensky | prefers to meet girls in RL |
| 22:50.31 | themill | #debian-offtopic is waiting for you... |
| 22:50.38 | Kovensky | however, is too shy |
| 22:50.41 | adama | mikef, what does "type kate" or "which kate" say? |
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| 22:51.23 | folken | themill, please excuse the discourse. :) |
| 22:51.26 | mikef | reid@reid-desktop:~$ type kate |
| 22:51.26 | mikef | kate is /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kate |
| 22:51.36 | adama | there you go |
| 22:51.44 | mikef | thats kate? |
| 22:51.46 | mikef | :DDDD |
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| 22:51.59 | adama | that't the one!!!!1! |
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| 22:52.17 | n3kl | wow |
| 22:52.19 | folken | adama, is l33t. |
| 22:52.19 | n3kl | just wow |
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| 22:53.01 | krey_ | mhh a java client... good idea |
| 22:53.34 | mikef | omg |
| 22:53.37 | folken | krey, http://irc.bluewin.ch/ lol |
| 22:53.41 | mikef | filezilla works perfect now |
| 22:53.46 | mikef | tyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy adama <33 |
| 22:53.52 | adama | I know, I rule. Watch this: alias publicip='wget -q -O - whatismyip.org;echo' |
| 22:54.09 | mikef | o.O |
| 22:54.12 | mikef | O.o |
| 22:54.40 | Orbixx | adama: Neat. |
| 22:54.41 | n3kl | adama: yeah, I am pretty sure that they ask you not to do that |
| 22:55.08 | adama | n3kl: why not? |
| 22:55.24 | n3kl | adama: ask them |
| 22:55.42 | mikef | alias publicip='wget -q -O - whatismyip.org;echo' |
| 22:55.48 | mikef | fails :{ |
| 22:56.02 | adama | mikef: it should do nothing. Then type publicip |
| 22:56.16 | folken | mikef, since its an alias you need to type publicip now in the same terminal. |
| 22:56.19 | mikef | adama, where am i typing this btw? |
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| 22:56.34 | n3kl | uh, your terminal? |
| 22:56.35 | Orbixx | facepalms. |
| 22:56.39 | mikef | o |
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| 22:56.42 | mikef | it works |
| 22:56.43 | mikef | :DDD |
| 22:56.44 | n3kl | WHere did all these noobs come from |
| 22:56.48 | Orbixx | nfi |
| 22:56.49 | n3kl | I must have been out for a while |
| 22:57.00 | mikef | n3kl, #ubuntu? xD |
| 22:57.03 | n3kl | haha |
| 22:57.07 | krey_ | I donÄ |
| 22:57.07 | mikef | ^^ |
| 22:57.15 | krey_ | I don't see any noob! |
| 22:57.16 | adama | n3kl: there is no particular "them", as whatismyip.org only sends you 15 bytes, your IP. There is no "contact us" or "info" etc |
| 22:57.22 | krey_ | I can't find my keyboard |
| 22:57.28 | n3kl | adama: ok |
| 22:57.32 | Kovensky | has used Debian sporadically for as long as woody |
| 22:57.39 | Orbixx | adama: I think he got mixed up with the .com folks. |
| 22:57.41 | adama | you may be thinking of whatismyip.com |
| 22:57.42 | folken | krey, your typing with what exactly? |
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| 22:57.45 | Orbixx | Where they serve a ton of ads. |
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| 22:57.58 | adama | yeah. garbage |
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| 22:58.09 | krey_ | bluewin.ch IRC is offline |
| 22:58.09 | krey_ | ;) |
| 22:58.24 | mikef | ^ |
| 22:58.24 | Kovensky | is installing the mandatory screen+irssi combo in his chroot |
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| 22:58.42 | Orbixx | Does anyone need any hosting by the way? |
| 22:58.45 | n3kl | adama: from their site: PLEASE do not use automated software or scripts to load this site |
| 22:58.48 | n3kl | This site is for Humans, smart Primates & Dolphins only (oh and aliens) |
| 22:58.49 | Orbixx | Just got a new server with no customers on it as of yet. |
| 22:58.51 | Orbixx | Just sitting there. |
| 22:59.13 | adama | n3kl: http://whatismyip.org/ |
| 22:59.35 | n3kl | adama: not that *I* care, but there is a healthy respect that goes into it I think. But thats me |
| 22:59.46 | adama | and it's not automated, you only type it when you want to check your dynamic IP on the router e.g. |
| 23:00.01 | n3kl | ha, well you found a loophole |
| 23:00.09 | Orbixx | Not really. :-\ |
| 23:00.19 | folken | krey, http://services.bluewin.ch/chat/ |
| 23:00.45 | misteree | sup |
| 23:00.55 | adama | n3kl: I don't know where you got that quote... the site doesn't say anything except your IP. Not even <head> :P |
| 23:00.56 | n3kl | You could be real leet and query your router's snmp oid for the external interface |
| 23:01.25 | Orbixx | There's a fine line between leet and stupid. |
| 23:01.25 | adama | you could, but that's not portable. |
| 23:01.31 | Orbixx | That just touches the stupid boundary. |
| 23:01.43 | n3kl | adama: I think we are talking about different alsmost the same sites: http://whatsmyip.org/ |
| 23:01.47 | n3kl | adama: what was the site you had? |
| 23:01.54 | newsense | :P |
| 23:02.00 | adama | ahhhhh |
| 23:02.01 | adama | no |
| 23:02.12 | adama | alias publicip='wget -q -O - whatismyip.org;echo' |
| 23:02.24 | n3kl | Ohhh, freaking 'is' |
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| 23:02.35 | adama | best one for shizzle |
| 23:02.52 | mikef | Orbixx, what kind of hosting? o.o |
| 23:02.57 | Orbixx | web hosting |
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| 23:03.17 | mikef | :O |
| 23:03.21 | mikef | prices? |
| 23:03.24 | jelly-home | what kind of web hosting? |
| 23:03.29 | mikef | ^ |
| 23:03.36 | pflanze | chose to use dpkg-divert --local --rename /usr/bin/gedit; ln -s $EDITOR /usr/bin/gedit |
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| 23:05.50 | folken | 818 ppl and there has been silence for 2 minutes.! |
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| 23:06.17 | adama | beer o'clock six minutes ago, that's probably why |
| 23:06.29 | n3kl | yeah, its getting there for me too |
| 23:06.31 | krey_ | webhosting? lol |
| 23:06.43 | n3kl | who said anything about webhosting? |
| 23:06.50 | jelly-home | noone |
| 23:06.58 | jelly-home | ^^ |
| 23:07.13 | n3kl | Oh, webhosting. hahaha |
| 23:07.20 | misteree | hello |
| 23:07.22 | adama | Orbixx was blabbing on about it... I just tone him out :D |
| 23:07.23 | n3kl | there now I am on the in crowd |
| 23:07.30 | n3kl | lol |
| 23:07.36 | htmlol | alright this is weird |
| 23:07.38 | n3kl | !greet misteree |
| 23:07.38 | dpkg | Moo, misteree |
| 23:07.44 | htmlol | I'm watching a video in vlc |
| 23:07.49 | misteree | what |
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| 23:07.55 | htmlol | and suddenly it freezes |
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| 23:08.07 | htmlol | I try to stop and close vlc but it's unresponsive |
| 23:08.08 | n3kl | htmlol: reinstall |
| 23:08.12 | misteree | am new to irc |
| 23:08.24 | mikef | <dpkg> dmoerner wants you to know: Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 23:08.25 | n3kl | misteree: welcome |
| 23:08.26 | jelly-home | adama: shush! a little promotion is okay now and then ;-) |
| 23:08.27 | misteree | just learning |
| 23:08.32 | mikef | I never pasted more than 3 lines -.- |
| 23:08.32 | htmlol | I try to kill vlc, but no commands work (they just don't do anything) |
| 23:08.34 | n3kl | htmlol: try a different playrer |
| 23:08.35 | adama | htmlol: start it from the command line: vlc movie.mpg - does it give an error when it freezes? |
| 23:08.38 | folken | htmlol, maybe your video file.. see if you can skip the part. |
| 23:09.06 | htmlol | I'm not worrying about the video. |
| 23:09.20 | htmlol | I'm worrying about the fact that I can't do -anything- on my system |
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| 23:09.37 | htmlol | besides manipulate the apps I already have opena |
| 23:09.40 | n3kl | mikef: ok, wonderful |
| 23:09.41 | adama | htmlol: kill -9 `pidof vlc` |
| 23:09.43 | htmlol | and even that ability is limited |
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| 23:09.49 | htmlol | I told you, no commands work |
| 23:09.59 | n3kl | htmlol: what wm? |
| 23:10.02 | htmlol | fluxbox |
| 23:10.11 | pappanz | hello. i don't have any login manager. i want to use xfce and wmii. when i open wmii (simply typing wmii) i get the error "fatal: couldn't open display". now, is there a way to run wmii indipendently from startx (which is associated to startxfce4)? i don't have any .xinitrc file |
| 23:10.12 | freeNag | try installing chrome |
| 23:10.14 | WorldBFree | for some reason xrandr shows my laptop has a tv connected to it even though it doesnt. how to i disable this display device permanently |
| 23:10.16 | n3kl | just open a terminal and kill it |
| 23:10.18 | mimcpher | You might have a disk failure or something htmlol |
| 23:10.23 | n3kl | htmlol: did you say you did try another player? |
| 23:10.40 | htmlol | n3kl: no commands work. the problem is NOT with the video. |
| 23:10.48 | n3kl | WorldBFree: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:10.55 | n3kl | htmlol: so you system is frozen? |
| 23:11.11 | htmlol | I'm getting this message from /var/log/messages which I have tailing: |
| 23:11.12 | htmlol | Sep 5 19:07:39 localhost kernel: ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100 |
| 23:11.12 | htmlol | Sep 5 19:07:39 localhost kernel: ata1: EH complete |
| 23:11.12 | htmlol | Sep 5 19:07:39 localhost kernel: res 51/40:00:d1:77:0c/00:00:00:00:00/e4 Emask 0x9 (media error) |
| 23:11.13 | *** kick/#debian [htmlol!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
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| 23:11.22 | n3kl | haha |
| 23:11.31 | n3kl | htmlol: can you switch ttys? |
| 23:11.39 | mikef | n3kl: ok... |
| 23:12.04 | *** mode/#debian [+l 830] by debhelper |
| 23:12.07 | n3kl | mikef: look man, if you got kicked you got kicked. big deal, move on |
| 23:12.09 | vyrus001 | how do i tell iptables to allow an ip on subnet a to talk to an ip on subnet b ? |
| 23:12.15 | WorldBFree | n3kl: im not exactly an xorg pro, what im i looking for to edit or comment out? |
| 23:12.27 | n3kl | WorldBFree: what version of debian? |
| 23:12.29 | jelly-home | n3kl: how exactly does one completely disable an output in xorg.conf? |
| 23:12.30 | WorldBFree | sid |
| 23:12.48 | adama | vyrus001: on the router between them? how are they not allowed? |
| 23:12.48 | folken | vyrus001, iptables -A FORWARD -s sourceip -d destinationip -j ACCEPT |
| 23:12.51 | jelly-home | s/output/screen/ |
| 23:12.55 | n3kl | jelly-home: I was thinking he had a screen setup in there that was telling it to do so, other than that, dunno |
| 23:13.03 | adama | vyrus001: what he said |
| 23:13.12 | jelly-home | n3kl: great :-P |
| 23:13.20 | freeNag | can i install debian on a UFS partition ? |
| 23:13.50 | mikef | n3kl, I didnt get kicked, wtf are you on about? |
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| 23:13.58 | htmlol | n3kl: I get some weird error in the tty's |
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| 23:14.01 | n3kl | mikef: wtf are you talking about? |
| 23:14.03 | htmlol | and I can't login |
| 23:14.05 | jelly-home | WorldBFree: and you can't do xrandr --output BLAH --off? |
| 23:14.19 | mikef | n3kl, wtf are you talking about? |
| 23:14.23 | n3kl | jelly-home: but the next time x starts it will be back, right? |
| 23:14.24 | WorldBFree | jelly-home: but i want to have this never start up |
| 23:14.27 | vyrus001 | folken: adama no luck |
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| 23:14.35 | WorldBFree | ive never ever had a tv connected to it ever, n3kl exactly |
| 23:14.37 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: generally you just use xrandr; you can do it very early on in the xinit stage |
| 23:14.42 | n3kl | htmlol: you are not explaining yourself well |
| 23:14.47 | folken | vyrus001, describe your setup in more detail please ? |
| 23:14.53 | htmlol | that's because I have no idea what's going on |
| 23:14.56 | n3kl | WorldBFree: so what, is it interfering with your work? |
| 23:14.57 | dondelelcaro | WorldBFree: what exactly is the problem? why does it matter if the tv output is on? |
| 23:14.59 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: however, that's an ugly workaround |
| 23:15.07 | htmlol | my system is semi-frozen, basically. |
| 23:15.08 | n3kl | WorldBFree: its possible that xrandr has it wrong |
| 23:15.14 | WorldBFree | because its forcing a resolution of 1024x768 |
| 23:15.17 | htmlol | I have control over they keyboard, mouse, and some running applications |
| 23:15.24 | WorldBFree | this is a laptop 1280x800 |
| 23:15.27 | freeNag | htmlol: welcome to penguin island |
| 23:15.30 | htmlol | but I can't do anything else really |
| 23:16.02 | vyrus001 | folken: i have a route (computer with iptables) with 4 network cards, each network card has its own subnet, i want a computer on one of the subnets to be able to communicate with a computer on a different subnet |
| 23:16.11 | htmlol | I issued a poweroff |
| 23:16.15 | htmlol | a while ago |
| 23:16.38 | htmlol | it seems to have started, but it's frozen after it says the system is going down NOW |
| 23:16.44 | scifi | folken: u still about m8? |
| 23:16.46 | folken | vyrus001, have you enabled ip_forwarding? |
| 23:16.48 | n3kl | htmlol: pull the poerw cable man |
| 23:16.57 | folken | scifi, yep |
| 23:17.20 | n3kl | vyrus001: yeah, forwarding and iptables -a FORWARD -j ACCEPT |
| 23:17.32 | scifi | folken: sorry to bother u again, but i just installed xfce and my wireless isnt working on it, checked the interfaces and wpa_supplicant files and they r still the same |
| 23:17.36 | vyrus001 | folken: yes |
| 23:17.39 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: eg. I want X to use the geometry of a smaller screen (of the two) for screen 0. If X is started when the external monitor is connected (even when it's "off"), it decides to use its geometry, for gdm and later |
| 23:18.03 | folken | vyrus001, you also need a rule back, in case you are trying to ping. |
| 23:18.04 | sharket | Hello |
| 23:18.12 | folken | vyrus001, the packages will only flow one way otherwise |
| 23:18.27 | folken | vyrus001, e.g. the same rule but with the source destination reversed. |
| 23:18.48 | jelly-home | WorldBFree: does the laptop display switch to 1024x768 as well, or what? |
| 23:18.51 | folken | scifi, it does not matter what desktop thingy u use. The wpa_supplicant runs as soon as your os starts |
| 23:18.53 | htmlol | n3kl: is that some kind of joke |
| 23:19.00 | folken | scifi, ifup wlan0 might help |
| 23:19.01 | n3kl | htmlol: uh, no |
| 23:19.13 | htmlol | why would I pull the power cord!?! |
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| 23:19.27 | htmlol | at the very least I'll attempt a magic sysrq first |
| 23:19.30 | n3kl | htmlol: yeah, didn't you say your couldn't log in? |
| 23:19.35 | folken | htmlol, you can try to kill the x server with ctrl-all-backspace. |
| 23:19.44 | htmlol | I can't log in to a tty, n3kl. |
| 23:19.51 | htmlol | I'm logged into X. |
| 23:19.53 | n3kl | htmlol: why no? |
| 23:19.58 | sharket | I'll soon find out |
| 23:20.07 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it's not like changing the default before gdm even starts is hard |
| 23:20.13 | scifi | folken: it says interface already configured ^^ |
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| 23:20.25 | folken | scifi, then you are allready connected. |
| 23:20.44 | n3kl | yeah, set the resulution in xorg.conf and be done with it |
| 23:20.51 | folken | scifi, try pinging something or websurfung. |
| 23:21.10 | scifi | folken: but when i open epiphany it just says loading but google never opens |
| 23:21.22 | scifi | folken: i'll try pinging |
| 23:21.27 | vyrus001 | folken: same result |
| 23:21.32 | dondelelcaro | or just call xrandr before you start gdm |
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| 23:22.00 | folken | scifi, ifdown wlan0 and then ifup wlan0 again |
| 23:22.03 | leifeq2 | hey guys is debian more slow then other linux soe to update |
| 23:22.26 | folken | leifeq2, if you use sid aka unstable then no. |
| 23:22.32 | folken | vyrus001, hmm |
| 23:22.42 | WorldBFree | jelly-home: yes the laptop display is set at 1024x768 |
| 23:22.43 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: wait, why wouldn't you just configure xorg properly. His hardware is not being detected properly it sounds to me, and if you force it through xorg.conf it will probably not start on login |
| 23:22.50 | folken | vyrus001, have you set any policies at all? |
| 23:22.53 | Kovensky | leifeq2: if you use testing, it doesn't take too long |
| 23:22.53 | leifeq2 | ok so more stable and yeah just more testet |
| 23:23.01 | Kovensky | but if you use stable, you will get bit rot |
| 23:23.12 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: configuring xorg in that way can make things less flexible |
| 23:23.20 | leifeq2 | ok thanx guys |
| 23:23.22 | folken | vyrus001, e.g. firewalled any of the interfaces, changed default policy to forward? |
| 23:23.25 | folken | err accept |
| 23:23.55 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: but it's currently a tradeoff; probably is a bug in the driver for defaulting to that configuration, though |
| 23:23.59 | folken | vyrus001, also the hosts need to point their default gw back at the router machine. |
| 23:24.07 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: um, maybe, but at least it would keep his tv off |
| 23:24.14 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: yeah |
| 23:24.20 | folken | vyrus001, or have a route entry for the other subnet. |
| 23:24.29 | folken | scifi, any luck? |
| 23:24.31 | jelly-home | WorldBFree: pastebin your "xrandr" output please |
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| 23:24.55 | vyrus001 | folken: there routes are pointed |
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| 23:26.07 | krey_ | i'm out |
| 23:26.08 | krey_ | bye |
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| 23:27.06 | stanis_sh | hello all. I am using debian lenny amd64 and got a usual problem with java applications at composite desktops (grey windows ;). does anybody solved this problem with sun-java 1.6.0_07? |
| 23:27.08 | scifi | folken: it goes through some dhcpdisover scans then says no dhcp offers received, no working leases in persistent database ^^ |
| 23:27.31 | vyrus001 | folken: there are other forwards but they are not to those ip's |
| 23:27.39 | vyrus001 | folken: shall i just send you my iptables config? |
| 23:28.23 | folken | scifi, you are no longer connected to the wifi. |
| 23:28.34 | folken | vyrus001, yes please pastebin it. |
| 23:28.59 | scifi | folken: shall i try modprobe? |
| 23:29.18 | folken | scifi, try ifconfig wlan0 down |
| 23:29.22 | folken | and up again |
| 23:29.39 | scifi | ok |
| 23:31.24 | scifi | folken: same result :( |
| 23:31.31 | TiMiDo | !ndiswraper |
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| 23:32.06 | folken | scifi, there is wpa_cli |
| 23:32.11 | folken | scifi, and iwconfig |
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| 23:32.38 | htmlol | well, a "manual reboot" fixed my problem it seems, |
| 23:32.41 | folken | scifi, but something must be broken, because otherwise it would just work. |
| 23:32.41 | streuner | !blairsmite ndiswrapper |
| 23:32.41 | dpkg | spins ndiswrapper at 3000000000 rpm, while telling him that Wales could attack within 30 minutes repeatedly. |
| 23:32.47 | htmlol | but I remain unnerved by the disk error I was getting. |
| 23:32.50 | adama | !ndiswrapper @ TiMiDo |
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| 23:32.59 | TiMiDo | thank you |
| 23:32.59 | adama | !ndiswrapper |
| 23:32.59 | dpkg | i heard ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead, ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:33.07 | scifi | folken: yeh just checked iwconfig and it has indeed lost my ssid and its on the wrong frequency too |
| 23:33.21 | folken | scifi, ifup wlan0 |
| 23:33.24 | streuner | adama: !tell <nick> about <factoid> |
| 23:33.25 | folken | scifi, and then check again |
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| 23:33.34 | scifi | folken: k |
| 23:34.05 | streuner | Don't use ndiswrapper, otherwise you shoot yourself into your foot ;-) |
| 23:34.36 | folken | well use ndiswrapper if there is really no other way to get the wifi working. |
| 23:35.00 | streuner | only for laptops, true ;-) |
| 23:35.03 | folken | but of course you should check for compatilbility before you buy. |
| 23:35.17 | folken | will learn to spell.. some day. |
| 23:35.40 | heroxbd | I want to specify the default encoding of directory listing to UTF-8 in apache. I tried to use AddDefaultCharset, it didn't work. The files in <user>/public_html are still not displayed correctly unless I specify the right encoding on the browser. |
| 23:35.53 | scifi | folken: okifup didnt work, but after altering my essid and freq in iwconfig its workign again :) |
| 23:36.08 | streuner | folken: it needed about serveral years to me about to spell available... |
| 23:36.38 | streuner | folken: there is a tric to solve that, learning by mistake :-) |
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| 23:36.42 | folken | streuner, luckily this xchat thingy has a built-in spell check. |
| 23:36.57 | streuner | omg, that didn't work never for me :-) |
| 23:37.04 | scifi | folken: perhaps it just needed a little nudge for the first xfce login |
| 23:37.23 | scifi | folken: i'll try logging in and out again |
| 23:37.49 | folken | scifi, you can try. but i really do not see how it can influnce your net connection. |
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| 23:38.40 | helmut | can someone tell me what package is missing when gcc -m32 somefile.c complains "cannot find -lgcc" on sid/amd64? |
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| 23:39.04 | folken | helmut, try installing build-essentials |
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| 23:39.10 | liable | -s |
| 23:39.17 | folken | thx |
| 23:39.21 | folken | build-essential |
| 23:39.52 | helmut | folken: that's already installed |
| 23:40.09 | scifi | folken: logging in/out caused no problems, so it trying a reboot again, see what happens |
| 23:40.45 | scifi | folken: i did notice when it was booting up before that it said wlan wasnt ready or something |
| 23:41.06 | folken | helmut, sorry i'm not an expert on the topic. |
| 23:41.20 | helmut | ahhh. I suspect gcc-4.3-multilib |
| 23:41.21 | folken | scifi, yes it will start looking for a link. |
| 23:41.35 | helmut | unfortunately my mirror seems down |
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| 23:42.01 | helmut | folken: gcc-4.3-multilib worked. thanks for your effort |
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| 23:43.11 | folken | is falling asleep. |
| 23:43.20 | folken | good night and have fun experimenting. |
| 23:43.42 | scifi | folken: dam, reboot loses it again |
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| 23:51.42 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: hm, so how would one go about setting the initial screen 0 size then? http://paste.debian.net/16488/ |
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| 23:53.02 | jelly-home | ie. I want Screen 0: [...] current 1280 x 800 [...], even when the external display is connected |
| 23:54.12 | Skaperen | 1280 x 800 is so 1990's ... 2560 x 1600 is the resolution of the 21st century |
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| 23:55.00 | jelly-home | Skaperen: thank you for that insight. |
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| 23:55.14 | smacnay | Skaperen, yikes!!! That is futuristic to me!! |
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| 23:55.56 | Skaperen | well, OK, there is some valid use for 1280 x 800 in the year 2008 ... your phone |
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| 23:56.36 | dustybin | http://halshop.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/phpw9jvl0pm.jpg |
| 23:57.38 | Skaperen | how many different web frameworks for blogging does debian have? ... and how many of them can work straight from files w/o using a database (except that something like Berkeley DB can be counted as a file)? |
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| 23:58.17 | Skaperen | for a small scale blogging site ... not for a million users |
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| 23:59.11 | vyrus001 | folken: onoz |
| 23:59.14 | vyrus001 | i still need routing help |
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