| 00:00.10 | wols_ | octox2: not floating point stuff. integer is doubly wide |
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| 00:00.27 | wols_ | so stuff that can benefit form that, like ssl should benefit |
| 00:00.37 | Throat | wols_, yes, mabbe - but that doesn't really prevent booting, might only prevent those daemons from starting (like MTA) |
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| 00:01.03 | octox2 | wols_: so then, if it has been compiled for 64 bit, it will be as optimised as it ever will be, or is there a difference in instruction sets and ways to manage the memory when writing the code that can make a difference in the performance on the 64 bit OS ? |
| 00:01.11 | Throat | extor, because that might be a rather bad idea... just imagine you watch a movie and the movie process needs around 100% cpu |
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| 00:01.31 | wols_ | octox2: algorithms can make a difference. far bigger than compioler optimization |
| 00:01.42 | icedtea | anybody here fimiliar with winbind? why does wbinfo -u return nothing? |
| 00:01.48 | extor | No it's a good idea on a web server which runs dozens of iffy scripts |
| 00:02.05 | Piper69 | i am not able to ping 127.0.0.1 or 10.202.46.1 |
| 00:02.23 | Throat | extor, use 'limit' for those accounts |
| 00:02.46 | octox2 | wols_: I am just trying to figure out if for the most part if i just use most of the common programs in linux, if i am taking a performance hit running the 64 bit Deb like I see a lot of people saying? |
| 00:03.00 | Throat | extor, nobody should log in over X anyways - and the only stuff running would be scripts and possibly the occasional ssh login |
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| 00:03.17 | Throat | extor, er, ulimit in bash |
| 00:03.29 | Throat | limit in tcsh |
| 00:04.01 | octox2 | wols_: even when it comes to useing mdadm and accessing the drives, is it possible that 32 bit might still be faster than 64 bit for some reason ? |
| 00:04.02 | nkuttler | Piper69: do you have a loopback interface? |
| 00:04.10 | wolf_pup | does anyone know how to get conky to startup on login? |
| 00:04.20 | peterS | simonrvn: (sorry, was on phone) ... nothin much |
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| 00:04.23 | wolf_pup | xinitrc and xsession dont do anything |
| 00:04.30 | Piper69 | nkuttler: yes |
| 00:04.51 | peterS | Piper69: so what you might try is connecting to the IR instead. that means configuring for the other ESSID, etc., I guess |
| 00:05.07 | peterS | back to dynamic IP of course |
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| 00:05.44 | Piper69 | peterS: will do |
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| 00:06.34 | rutski | I can't get audio working on this new machine; and I really can't figure out why |
| 00:06.49 | rutski | I'm basically clueless about alsa, so I was hoping someone here could help me debug things |
| 00:07.19 | amphi | can you run alsamixer? if so, are the channels unmuted? |
| 00:07.44 | rutski | nope, I can't "alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument" |
| 00:08.02 | Throat | amphi, I think they muted the channels by default, so they could easily answer 99.99% of the questions on #alsa |
| 00:08.03 | rutski | although I don't know what "argument" it's talking about; since I just ran "/usr/bin/alsamixer" |
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| 00:08.23 | rutski | Throat: heh, I know better than at the very least ;) |
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| 00:08.38 | rutski | plus doing "sudo alsaconf" claims to raise them to reasonable levels by default |
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| 00:10.11 | simonrvn | rutski: usually means proper drivers aren't loaded |
| 00:10.29 | rutski | simonrvn: indeed; but what am I to do beyond running alsaconf? |
| 00:10.40 | rutski | (which claimed to install said drivers) |
| 00:10.49 | heroxbd | Why my account on alioth.debian.org is heroxbd-guest? Is it because I am not a DD? |
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| 00:11.09 | rutski | also lsmod shows that "snd_hda_intel" is installed; which I'm pretty sure is the right thing for my card |
| 00:11.27 | octox2 | wols_: would i be correct to say that 64bit is slower when the program does bit operations on 32 bit integers and the compiler has to create extra instuctions to keep the nature of 32 bit arithmetic while using 64 bit registers ? |
| 00:11.32 | simonrvn | alsaconf supposedly adds them to /etc/modules, to be loded later that file is parsed; and load thm into kernel memory. you should see them in lsmod if that happened. |
| 00:11.44 | simonrvn | (mind the typos) |
| 00:12.26 | Throat | extor, "ulimit -t 300" in bash before the critical processes start would do pretty much what you want - how to get it in effect for those processes would depend on your set-up - e.g. if the web-scripts run under the ID of the users or of the webserver |
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| 00:13.25 | rutski | simonrvn: what makes you say that? Alsaconf only claims to edit /etc/modules.d/modprobe.conf and /etc/modules.d/sound, or so it says in the curses GUI |
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| 00:13.51 | rutski | simonrvn: also I don't know what I'm looking for in lsmod beyond snd_hda_intel, which is already there |
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| 00:13.57 | jhamlin | Anyone here gotten vice (c64 emulator) to work? I can't seem to get it to work... I get "Error - Couldn't load kernal ROM". How can I fix this |
| 00:13.59 | simonrvn | rutski: it changed since i last used it ;) |
| 00:14.02 | rutski | as well as is snd_hda_coded |
| 00:14.04 | phorce1 | fascinating. I've never seen a drive do that. Works fine on small reads/writes but if I try to copy a large file to the drive it goes into uber-slow mode without reporting any errors |
| 00:14.04 | rutski | simonrvn: ah |
| 00:14.10 | simonrvn | (which was like 4+ years ago) |
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| 00:14.37 | simonrvn | jhamlin: need a rom to go with that |
| 00:14.40 | extor | Throat I don't want to throttle all of apache |
| 00:14.42 | rutski | heh |
| 00:14.49 | rutski | well, I guess I'm screwed then :( |
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| 00:15.24 | simonrvn | rutski: naw, just that hda-intel is a pita. it does work, but a pci sound card is usually a better option for long term. |
| 00:15.47 | phorce1 | rutski: You really need to get a mixer running to have a look. I spent about 2 hours trying to figure out why my sound didn't work. I was staring at the "Master" volume but it was the "Front" that defaulted to being turned all the way down. |
| 00:16.10 | rutski | phorce1: if only I could get beyond "alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument" |
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| 00:16.38 | simonrvn | it's not "registering" |
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| 00:16.57 | simonrvn | could be that's the wrong driver, or you're missing something. |
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| 00:17.21 | rutski | I sure does feel like the right driver though; somehow I don't think alsaconf would get it so horribly wrong |
| 00:17.28 | phorce1 | rutski: I'll paste my lsmod output, gimme a sec |
| 00:17.33 | rutski | and lspci shows that it's an intel hda card |
| 00:17.33 | martinah | hi. how do I change the hash algorithm used by my system in shadow(5)? I am using so glibc is new enough to support sha-{256,512}.. |
| 00:17.40 | dacs_ | peterS: GUESS WHAT?! |
| 00:17.42 | rutski | phorce1: ah, you have the same sort of card? |
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| 00:17.48 | octox2 | well, im not going back to 32 bit even if it is faster lol |
| 00:17.50 | peterS | dacs_: what'd you do? |
| 00:18.17 | simonrvn | he made a poopie |
| 00:18.22 | dacs_ | peterS: as soon as i connect it to IR it works fine.! |
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| 00:18.42 | peterS | dacs_: good, so now you can actually use aptitude while troubleshooting the ER |
| 00:18.55 | dacs_ | peterS: i am on debian now... |
| 00:19.45 | dacs_ | but why it is only connected to IR and not ER |
| 00:20.19 | dacs_ | peterS: i didn't have to use anything except to change essid? |
| 00:20.19 | phorce1 | rutski: This is everything that looks sound related http://paste.debian.net/16567/ |
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| 00:20.41 | simonrvn | !ba |
| 00:20.41 | dpkg | from memory, ba is Bosnia & Herzegovina |
| 00:20.44 | peterS | dacs_: quite possibly this is just an annoying DHCP incompatibility. as simple as DHCP is supposed to be, it has a long long history of incompatible implementations. this is why you should try installing pump and running that instead of dhcp3-client. it's not _better_ but it's _different_. |
| 00:20.48 | jhamlin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.05 | phorce1 | rutski: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 00:22.15 | rutski | phorce1: 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 00:22.18 | peterS | dacs_: now trying a static IP with the ER was another possibility, to get around DHCP problems, but I'm not too surprised it didn't work - the server may be smart enough to only communicate with wireless cards that it has issued an IP to via DHCP |
| 00:22.21 | rutski | and also I have all the same modules installed |
| 00:22.35 | rutski | phorce1: what options are they loaded with though? as per /etc/modprobe.d/sound and friends |
| 00:22.50 | phorce1 | rutski: brb |
| 00:23.02 | rutski | yep |
| 00:23.03 | dacs_ | peterS: i installed pump , how to use it |
| 00:23.41 | peterS | dacs_: ifdown eth0, switch to the ESSID of the ER, ifup eth0, wait for the dhcp to fail, then manually run 'pump -i eth0' and see what happens |
| 00:24.11 | dacs_ | peterS: cool will do |
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| 00:25.53 | simonrvn | jhamlin: i mean a c64 rom |
| 00:26.46 | jhamlin | simonrvn: okay I think I'm onto the solution... thanks. |
| 00:27.08 | Throat | rutski, you'd be amazed about this muting-business... after changing things for hours, installing the newest alsa versions etc.etc. I would have had everything fixed - BUT for something that was still muted. (And I never thought I'd fall for it, either). I really kinda think they mute everything just out of spite |
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| 00:27.59 | rutski | heh |
| 00:28.00 | rutski | yea |
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| 00:28.12 | rutski | but I don't think that's my problem (yet), since alsamixer won't even run |
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| 00:28.44 | Throat | rutski, its so easy to oversee... specially as it re-mutes everthing all over again after you reload the kernel module... and you can't be easily sure what all you need to unmute |
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| 00:28.53 | phorce1 | rutski: alsa-base http://paste.debian.net/16568/ oss-compat http://paste.debian.net/16570/ linux-sound-base_noOSS http://paste.debian.net/16571/ |
| 00:29.17 | Throat | rutski, it's normally not a problem on Debian, though, as - as you said - some scripts take care of it after the modules are loaded |
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| 00:30.03 | amphi | rutski: what happens if you run alsaconf? |
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| 00:31.22 | phorce1 | rutski: a couple of those are REALLY big and ugly |
| 00:31.27 | rutski | amphi: all goes normally; it claims to install the drivers and turn up the volume |
| 00:31.41 | rutski | phorce1: heh, yea; but don't have you an /etc/modprobe.d/sound? |
| 00:31.48 | phorce1 | rutski: no |
| 00:31.52 | amphi | rutski: what card is this? |
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| 00:32.03 | rutski | amphi: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) |
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| 00:32.05 | rutski | wait, no |
| 00:32.14 | rutski | 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 00:32.18 | rutski | the second one |
| 00:32.33 | phorce1 | rutski: heh -- you copied min |
| 00:32.36 | phorce1 | mine |
| 00:32.36 | jimisrvrox | hey guys I looked in the settings and didnt see a volume control...im probably missing it somewhere..but Ive been looking around at articles on sound but cannot find anything on how to adjust the volume |
| 00:32.43 | rutski | phorce1: yea, copy-o :-p |
| 00:32.45 | Piper69 | peterS: didn't work, pump -i eth0 , failed to connect to localhost:bootpc: operation now in progress there might be another pump running , operation failed |
| 00:32.48 | amphi | rutski: oh, nvidia... |
| 00:33.30 | bartmon | Hi guys! I'm getting my feet wet with NFS and I'm wondering which server I should run: nfs-kernel-server or unfs3. I've read unfs3 can handle large files ( > 2^11 B). That's nice to have. :) What do you use? |
| 00:33.57 | warbo | Got everything working here now, thanks for the pointers :) |
| 00:33.57 | bartmon | BTW, single user use only. |
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| 00:35.36 | Piper69 | Debian for some reason is not accepting any other ip except 192.168.1.1 |
| 00:35.38 | peterS | Piper69: that may mean that dhcp3-client was still running when you tried pump. if so, kill it, then make sure using ifconfig that eth0 is still listed as "UP", and then try pump |
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| 00:36.12 | D3B14N | jimisrvrox; using gnome ? |
| 00:36.45 | Piper69 | peterS: 'ps -ef | grep dhcp3-client |
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| 00:36.50 | Piper69 | right |
| 00:36.53 | phorce1 | rutski: Have you tried booting from a livecd like the latest knoppix to see if sound works? |
| 00:37.06 | rutski | phorce1: it would |
| 00:37.09 | phorce1 | rutski: verified sound is not disabled in BIOS? |
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| 00:37.14 | rutski | actually it was working just yesterday on this very machine |
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| 00:37.24 | rutski | I did something to get it to budge; but I don't know what |
| 00:37.29 | rutski | and then after a reboot it stopped working |
| 00:37.33 | rutski | and I can't get it back |
| 00:37.44 | peterS | Piper69: basically yeah. except it is actually named 'dhclient3'. also, if you have both that and pump installed at the same time, I'm not sure which one 'ifup' tries first |
| 00:38.24 | phorce1 | rutski: checked dmesg output to see what it says about alsa? |
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| 00:39.07 | rutski | phorce1: noting about alsa, but it does repeat "hda_coded: num_steps = 0 for NID=0x17" 71 times |
| 00:39.44 | Piper69 | peterS: brb |
| 00:40.29 | phorce1 | rutski: might want to reboot again and go verify that something didn't twitch in the BIOS and disable the onboard sound. |
| 00:40.45 | rutski | phorce1: I've rebooted several times in the past 60 minutes |
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| 00:41.16 | phorce1 | rutski: but did you look in BIOS to make sure sound is still enabled during any of those reboots? |
| 00:41.25 | rutski | nope, good point |
| 00:41.38 | rutski | I'll give it a go, but don't count on it being disabled :-p |
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| 00:42.17 | phorce1 | rutski: why did you reboot the time it went away? |
| 00:42.41 | rutski | phorce1: because it was time to go to sleep |
| 00:42.47 | rutski | (that was last night) |
| 00:43.31 | phorce1 | rutski: heh. I thought you might have done a kernel upgrade or something and was going to suggest rolling it back. |
| 00:43.46 | rutski | nope :( |
| 00:44.13 | phorce1 | rutski: It is always possible that the sound controller just decided that now was as god a time as any to take an electrnic dump |
| 00:44.21 | rutski | phorce1: I checked; it's on in the bios |
| 00:44.33 | rutski | heh :( |
| 00:44.33 | rutski | oh! |
| 00:44.36 | rutski | I'm booting now |
| 00:44.43 | rutski | and I heard something come out of the speakers |
| 00:44.56 | m0 | Hello, I made an init.d script and added it to update-rc.d, I am using the init.d skeleton file where it uses "start-stop-daemon" to do it's stuff. |
| 00:45.07 | rutski | wow |
| 00:45.08 | rutski | it worked |
| 00:45.25 | m0 | So I am doing start-stop-daemon --start --chdir [todir] so I can change the directory to that process first |
| 00:45.30 | phorce1 | rutski: It may have been a twitchy BIOS then. you just needed to actually go into BIOS and "re-save" it. |
| 00:45.42 | m0 | My problem is that It is running it as root, but I want it to run it as another user. Any way I could do that? |
| 00:45.43 | rutski | ok, I'm saving the contents of lsmod and /etc/modprobe.d/*, and rebooting to see if it's here for good |
| 00:45.48 | phorce1 | rutski: *OR* the sound controller is on the way out. |
| 00:45.49 | rutski | phorce1: could be |
| 00:45.53 | rutski | heh, yea |
| 00:46.35 | m0 | I looked into "start-stop-daemon" manual, it it said there is a "--chuid" so I put my user. But somehow, if I set "--chuid" the "--chdir" doesn't work anymore |
| 00:46.47 | rutski | rebotting |
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| 00:47.37 | bartmon | m0: Can the user with your uid read from that directory? |
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| 00:47.57 | raijin | hello has anyone found that the new flashplugin-nonfree is severly broken? |
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| 00:48.09 | m0 | bartmon: I assume so cause another user could |
| 00:48.44 | m0 | bartmon: I am doing, /usr/local/applications/psybnc$ ls and could see contents |
| 00:49.09 | m0 | bartmon: and when I su myuser, and ./psybnc, it works fine |
| 00:49.51 | Piper69 | peterS: i aptitude -purge dhclient3 , and still keeps getting the same error when running pump -i eth0 |
| 00:50.04 | rutski | phorce1: and it continues to work after multiple reboots; I guess the bios re-save did it :D |
| 00:50.08 | rutski | thanks a million |
| 00:50.24 | rutski | now, I'm curious about how the linux console works (sans X) |
| 00:50.25 | Piper69 | this could be a bug in debian then |
| 00:50.34 | rutski | is it possible to change the dimensions? or is it fixed into some preset value? |
| 00:50.45 | rutski | I have 80x24 right now, or maybe x25 |
| 00:50.55 | peterS | Piper69: did 'aptitude purge dhclient3' even work? the package is named dhcp3-client, it is only the binary that is named dhclient or dhclient3. |
| 00:51.05 | bartmon | rutski: you have to pass a kernel argument -vga=geometry |
| 00:51.30 | rutski | bartmon: hmm, is this documented anywhere? how do I find out which values are valid? |
| 00:51.43 | bartmon | rutski: try "-vga=ask" for starters. You need to edit your grub configuration though |
| 00:51.52 | rutski | indeed |
| 00:51.55 | rutski | -vga=ask it is |
| 00:52.11 | phorce1 | rutski: and to get anything really readable at different geometries on an i386 you have to jump through hoops and run console in framebuffer mode. |
| 00:52.15 | bartmon | rutski: There are some standard dimensions but try ask and it will list the supported ones |
| 00:53.14 | phorce1 | rutski: (for me anyway -- I was spoiled by the text console on framebuffer-only Sun machines running Linux) |
| 00:53.45 | rutski | looks like 80x<something> are the only options; where <something> ranges from 25-60 |
| 00:53.49 | rutski | not much of a choice |
| 00:54.02 | rutski | so let me guess, the kernel uses some low level BIOS hardware for the console or something? |
| 00:54.08 | rutski | and it only supports said dimensions? |
| 00:54.13 | bartmon | m0: So you're executing from that dir... does your user have executing privileges? |
| 00:54.32 | bartmon | After that I'm out of ideas. :( |
| 00:54.56 | rutski | phorce1: ah, what's this "framebuffer mode" exactly? |
| 00:55.16 | phorce1 | rutski: correct -- unless you recompile and build it to be able to use framebuffer mode. And it's been so long since I did that I would be no help at all. |
| 00:55.17 | rutski | it gives the kernel raw access to the video card's display? |
| 00:55.33 | rutski | something like "heres a 1024x768 array of pixels, write to it!" ? |
| 00:55.34 | phorce1 | rutski: essentially, yes. |
| 00:55.45 | zinx | rutski: it gives the kernel access to graphics modes |
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| 00:56.05 | zinx | rather than text (which are also raw access, but are character/color rather than pixels) |
| 00:56.19 | rutski | zinx: and this is something I would see documented in, lets say, intels manuals? |
| 00:56.28 | zinx | rutski: no. |
| 00:56.54 | rutski | zinx: oh hmm... then where is the distinction made between graphics mode vs console mode? |
| 00:57.00 | zinx | rutski: the video card |
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| 00:57.20 | bartmon | Without the framebuffer mode the text looks borked on widescreen displays |
| 00:57.43 | zinx | there is a program called 'svgatextmode' or such that will mess with the number of columns/rows in text mode, fwiw |
| 00:57.43 | rutski | bartmon: it looks fine on my widescreen display |
| 00:58.01 | bartmon | I guess for someone who seeks out-of-the-box polish should look at other distros :P |
| 00:58.03 | amphi | shortscreen |
| 00:58.17 | bartmon | rutski: what is your native resolution? |
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| 00:58.52 | rutski | bartmon: not sure; not even sure what that means |
| 00:59.31 | phorce1 | bartmon: Or other architectures. Like I said above, Sun Ultra1 and Ultra2 machines running Debian have absolutely beautiful console text. |
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| 01:00.27 | bartmon | rutski: Native resolution is the dimension of pixels your presumably LCD screen is amde of |
| 01:00.30 | bartmon | made of |
| 01:00.59 | rutski | ah, right |
| 01:01.01 | rutski | something like 1600x1050 I think |
| 01:01.09 | phorce1 | my 22" LCD is 1440x900 native |
| 01:01.19 | zinx | my LCD is made of 4 dimensional pixels |
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| 01:01.42 | amphi | zinx: they're not instantaneous? |
| 01:02.03 | zinx | phorce1: that's.. crazy.. should be at -least- 1680x1050 |
| 01:02.11 | zinx | phorce1: at that size |
| 01:02.28 | bartmon | I have a laptop with 1920x1200 at 15.4" |
| 01:02.45 | bartmon | The text ain't too big... but the console text is HUGE |
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| 01:03.11 | phorce1 | zinx: not a $250 Acer ;-D |
| 01:03.43 | peterS | phorce1: hmm, they sell a 22" display that is only 1440x900? I thought all the really big displays were 1680x1050 |
| 01:03.46 | phorce1 | rutski: This is **OLD** but may provide a base for googling further http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO.html |
| 01:03.55 | bartmon | Does any of you run a nfs server? Which one? |
| 01:04.46 | phorce1 | bartmon: I don't know what my 17" laptop is -- I think also 1920x1200 |
| 01:04.56 | rutski | phorce1: ah |
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| 01:05.52 | zinx | peterS: nah, the really big displayers are at least 1920x1200.. the 22" *should* be at least 1680x1050, but i guess acer's selling some cheap stuff :P |
| 01:06.11 | orzo | hello |
| 01:06.12 | peterS | zinx: yeah, 22" isn't considered really big anymore, so I'd expect 1680x1050. |
| 01:06.18 | orzo | iceweasel is screwed up |
| 01:06.30 | peterS | 22" is only kinda big, nowadays (: |
| 01:06.31 | orzo | some of the .so files are replaced with man pages! |
| 01:06.31 | phorce1 | peterS, zinx I was wrong -- it's 1680x1050 on this 22" Acer I have. |
| 01:06.33 | orzo | grml@grml ~ % file /usr/lib/iceweasel/libmozjs.so |
| 01:06.33 | orzo | /usr/lib/iceweasel/libmozjs.so: gzip compressed data, was "hal-set-property.1", from Unix, last modified: Sat Dec 22 17:14:50 2007, max compression |
| 01:06.39 | zinx | phorce1: ah :D |
| 01:06.53 | orzo | is this just my system? |
| 01:06.58 | orzo | or is the packages screwed up |
| 01:07.09 | phorce1 | Acer AL2216W |
| 01:07.20 | orzo | i'm using 2.0.0.11-1 |
| 01:08.31 | bartmon | phorce1: you said console looks excellent on sun hardware... how about x86-64? |
| 01:09.22 | bartmon | I guess it inherits a lot of x86-32 pequliarities |
| 01:09.35 | Piper69 | peterS: now after i removed dhcp3-client , i reboot and now i can't bring up eth0 |
| 01:09.54 | peterS | Piper69: on either IR or ER, that is? or, IR continues to work? |
| 01:10.02 | phorce1 | bartmon: I only tried that for about 5 minutes over a year ago before deciding I didn't need it. Does it force use of framebuffer when it's not a requirement of the hardware? |
| 01:10.42 | phorce1 | bartmon: It looks good on Sun because framebuffer is the *ONLY* way to do video. Framebuffer mode for console is the default. |
| 01:10.49 | Piper69 | peterS: that is in ER, but i assume the same thing will be for IR |
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| 01:11.51 | peterS | Piper69: don't assume any such thing. they are different APs from different vendors, it's likely that IR will work with both DHCP clients. most things do, after all, it's only odd things that work with one or the other |
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| 01:15.24 | Piper69 | peterS: yes , it is in both , i can't get eth0 up |
| 01:15.47 | Piper69 | not with ifup or ;/etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 01:18.37 | peterS | Piper69: I hope you have a 'dhcp3-client' package sitting in /var/cache/apt/archives, then, so you can install that with 'dpkg -i' and get connected again |
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| 01:19.30 | phorce1 | is goint to install Armagetron, run into a few walls then get down to figuring out how best to copy 100G of files off of a drive that is starting to take over 1 hour per gig to seek. |
| 01:19.31 | umarzuki | hi guys, i got problem installing stuff with aptitude since i uninstalled kde4 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=174352#174352 |
| 01:20.27 | dondelelcaro | umarzuki: first off, never use --force-all |
| 01:21.00 | dondelelcaro | umarzuki: second, you need to fix the problemt hat is causing dirmgr to fail to start; you can work around this temporarily by editing /etc/init.d/dirmngr and adding an exit 0; under the shebang line. |
| 01:21.16 | dondelelcaro | umarzuki: then you can dpkg --purge dirmngr; assuming you no longer want it |
| 01:21.48 | dondelelcaro | (using --force-all is *ALWAYS* wrong; there are some circumstances where using a specific --force option may be warranted, but this is not one of them) |
| 01:22.04 | dude101 | Piper69: i found that the other client works better, just the dhcp client. apt-cache search dhcp |
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| 01:24.50 | Piper69 | peterS: i couldn't find it |
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| 01:25.25 | Piper69 | thats it, Debian is going to dumpster , and i give up |
| 01:25.37 | dude101 | Piper69: whats wrong |
| 01:25.43 | Piper69 | back to f***ing windows again |
| 01:25.47 | octoserver | i have 10 internet connections with an unknown service name and a bunch of weird IP's but no apps that should be accessing the net ? |
| 01:25.56 | peterS | Piper69: install it from your CD then, or however you initially installed debian |
| 01:25.59 | dude101 | no dont do that windows is crap |
| 01:26.46 | Piper69 | peterS: that was 3 yrs ago and i don't even know where is the CD |
| 01:26.50 | rutski | so basically I can't figure out how to get /dev/fb0 |
| 01:26.55 | rutski | usplash is complaining |
| 01:26.55 | peterS | Piper69: is this stable or unstable or..? |
| 01:27.05 | Piper69 | peterS: stable |
| 01:27.06 | rutski | and obviously apt-file search doesn't help |
| 01:27.10 | peterS | Piper69: anyway, do this: apt-cache show dhcp3-client | grep Filename |
| 01:27.31 | peterS | Piper69: then go to your windows box and download http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ (and type the filename that starts with 'pool/') |
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| 01:27.48 | peterS | Piper69: and transfer it via a usb stick or a floppy disk or something |
| 01:27.58 | peterS | and install it with dpkg -i |
| 01:28.24 | peterS | everyone has a $10 usb flash disk nowadays, right? it is great for sneakernet situations like this |
| 01:29.44 | octoserver | 208.117.236.76 is youtube, why would i show a connection? how long do they take to time out ? |
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| 01:31.02 | Piper69 | peterS: 'apt-cache show dhcp3-client | grep Filename return nothing |
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| 01:31.47 | peterS | Piper69: huh ... I wonder what it was named in debian stable. lemme check.. |
| 01:31.56 | octoserver | 5 connections are to Cal tech ? |
| 01:32.28 | octoserver | is there a way to clear all of the connections ? |
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| 01:32.59 | peterS | Piper69: huh ... dhcp3-client should exist on debian stable. I wonder why it doesn't on your system. |
| 01:33.02 | octoserver | actually, they are active connections |
| 01:33.13 | Piper69 | peterS: man i appreciate all the help and efforts , but i was working on this since 6:00am this morning and it is 6:30pm now.... |
| 01:33.37 | Piper69 | peterS: i did --remove -purge dhcp3-client remember |
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| 01:33.58 | peterS | Piper69: well you _said_ you did -purge dhclient3, then I corrected you and said that wasn't the package name |
| 01:34.11 | octoserver | i have 6 active connections to Cal Tech and the service resposible is "unkown" ? |
| 01:34.33 | Piper69 | peterS: i must missed type ...it is dhcp3-client |
| 01:34.35 | octoserver | any ideas ? |
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| 01:35.11 | peterS | Piper69: well it works on my system. I'm guessing the correct URL is http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dhcp3/dhcp3-client_3.0.4-13_something.deb |
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| 01:35.29 | peterS | Piper69: where the _something is either _i386 or _amd64 depending on whether you have a 32-bit or 64-bit install of Debian |
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| 01:36.36 | Piper69 | i686 |
| 01:36.55 | peterS | i686 is i386 as far as .deb filenames go |
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| 01:45.50 | rutski | so, I read online on some forum that "splash" is a valid kernel argument |
| 01:46.03 | rutski | so I set it in menu.lst, and it worked |
| 01:46.13 | rutski | but if it weren't for that forum post; where would I have found out about this? |
| 01:46.23 | rutski | where is it documented? |
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| 01:46.39 | umarzuki | rutski, where's the post? i wanna read |
| 01:47.31 | dondelelcaro | rutski: in the splashy package |
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| 01:48.21 | rutski | umarzuki: not sure, I closed the browser |
| 01:48.31 | Kovensky | rutski: history? =p |
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| 01:51.18 | rutski | dondelelcaro: different machine; too lazy |
| 01:51.35 | rutski | also too long ago |
| 01:51.46 | rutski | ah, I've been looking at this "usplash" thing instead of "bootsplash" |
| 01:51.52 | rutski | perhaps that's why; I wonder what the difference is |
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| 01:55.52 | umarzuki | dondelelcaro, it works, "dpkg --purge", finally...thanks a lot man |
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| 01:58.15 | SLOBURN | good morning |
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| 02:01.32 | SLOBURN | i have messed up cupsys and would like to reinstall it, how can i do this ? error message: http://rafb.net/p/Ji76Xv17.html |
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| 02:04.48 | SLOBURN | i'll be back tommorrow i am going to sleep now ;D night |
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| 02:05.48 | jescis | Is apache-common necessary? because I installed apache from source and don't want to mess it up. But I do want my server to be a lamp. |
| 02:07.40 | SamuraiDio | is the nvidia-glx the nvidia vendor (non-free) driver? |
| 02:07.49 | jescis | or should I install php and mysql from source too? |
| 02:08.04 | Kovensky | SamuraiDio: yes |
| 02:08.43 | SamuraiDio | Kovensky, is it the same as if i download and install the driver from NVIDIA.com? |
| 02:09.02 | simonrvn | SamuraiDio: no, use the debian way |
| 02:10.11 | SamuraiDio | i'm thinking of change (i have the driver fom NVIDIA.com, actually, i have no problems, but it sucks to reinstalç after every apt-get upgrade) |
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| 02:11.28 | SamuraiDio | if i install the debian bunary driver, how can i remove all libs from the vendor (of my old driver)? |
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| 02:14.58 | simonrvn | with rm... |
| 02:15.58 | SamuraiDio | !nvidia |
| 02:15.58 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 02:16.29 | SamuraiDio | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 02:16.29 | dpkg | methinks nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 02:21.52 | raijin | is anyone else having issues with the new flashplugin-nonfree pkg? |
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| 02:27.16 | sally134 | hi |
| 02:27.16 | pngwn | 1 |
| 02:27.36 | sally134 | what u doin |
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| 02:30.13 | Benalex | Hello all... When will be the stable version of Lenny released? |
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| 02:30.35 | xoz | /msg dpkg help |
| 02:31.28 | amphi | !tell Benalex -about wir |
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| 02:33.12 | raijin | is anyone else having issues with the new flashplugin-nonfree pkg? |
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| 02:37.58 | quitte_ | raijin: such as? vdeo scaling became horrible some time ao. |
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| 02:38.15 | abrotman | !tell Benalex about wwlr |
| 02:39.17 | raijin | quitte_: sound does not work and it crashes my iceweasel constantly |
| 02:39.17 | rjent | Greetings, I am a bit new to git and curious how to reference a git account for others to clone from on alioth.debian.org, for say user userID? |
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| 02:47.13 | Benalex | amphi and abrotman thank you |
| 02:47.57 | Benalex | I installedn Lenny Beta2... should I removed it once stable is released or I can do minor updates? |
| 02:48.07 | rjent | is away: Away |
| 02:48.17 | Kovensky | Benalex: lenny IS the stable |
| 02:48.24 | abrotman | !tell rjent about away |
| 02:48.27 | abrotman | Kovensky: no it is not |
| 02:48.29 | Kovensky | all you need is to keep updating your system; when it is stable you won't even notice it ;) |
| 02:48.33 | Benalex | Kovensky no its not |
| 02:48.43 | Kovensky | abrotman: :O |
| 02:48.44 | Benalex | ahaaa got you now |
| 02:48.48 | Kovensky | why not? :( |
| 02:49.17 | Kovensky | what changes between testing lenny and stable lenny? |
| 02:49.20 | abrotman | Kovensky: lenny is testing .. not stable |
| 02:49.31 | Kovensky | abrotman: lenny will become stable |
| 02:49.52 | abrotman | some day . it is NOT stable |
| 02:49.55 | Kovensky | abrotman: he is saying about updating from lenny-b2 -> lenny-stable on the future |
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| 02:50.14 | Benalex | Kovensky exactly |
| 02:50.25 | Kovensky | abrotman: all he needs is to apt-get update; apt-get upgrade as usual, isn't it? |
| 02:50.26 | abrotman | if his sources point at 'lenny' and not 'testing' |
| 02:50.30 | Benalex | and you said I can update and I won't even notice |
| 02:50.56 | Kovensky | Benalex: then I'm right; abrotman didn't understand your question :) |
| 02:51.09 | abrotman | i understood his question just fine |
| 02:51.10 | Kovensky | Benalex: just make sure source.list point to lenny instead of testing, as abrotman said |
| 02:51.11 | abrotman | your answer was wrong |
| 02:51.18 | Kovensky | abrotman: tneh I'm not understanding your answer |
| 02:51.29 | abrotman | you said it was stable .. it is not |
| 02:51.48 | Kovensky | abrotman: no, I said "when it is stable", that is it is not stable now |
| 02:51.55 | abrotman | <Kovensky> Benalex: lenny IS the stable |
| 02:51.58 | abrotman | you didn't? |
| 02:52.09 | Kovensky | abrotman: oh, that... I got my toughts in the wrong order =p |
| 02:52.17 | Kovensky | abrotman: lenny IS the next stable |
| 02:52.24 | Benalex | :) |
| 02:52.32 | Benalex | ok guys... I understand you both |
| 02:52.34 | amphi | lenny is THE next stable |
| 02:52.34 | Benalex | :D |
| 02:52.53 | Kovensky | wants eternal testing |
| 02:52.55 | abrotman | Benalex: if your sources point at lenny .. you can keep upgrading/dist-upgrading .. and whne lenny is released as 'stable' you'll have a lenny box |
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| 02:53.27 | Benalex | abrotman yeah... and I should remove lenny testing from sources.list |
| 02:53.38 | abrotman | what? |
| 02:53.47 | abrotman | you want 'lenny' sources |
| 02:54.25 | Benalex | ? |
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| 02:54.55 | amphi | Benalex: 'lenny' rather than 'testing' |
| 02:55.22 | amphi | Benalex: if you have 'testing', you'll track the new testing branch after lenny becomes the new stable |
| 02:55.22 | Benalex | yeah.. Keep lenny and remove testing |
| 02:55.24 | Kovensky | and if I put 'testing' on that, will I automatically update to squeezy when it's repo is up? |
| 02:55.32 | Kovensky | oh, too late =p |
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| 02:55.50 | amphi | 'squeezy'? is that what the next one's called? |
| 02:56.11 | Benalex | yeah...acroding to Wikipedia |
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| 02:56.26 | Kovensky | squeezy or squeeze, don't remember |
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| 02:56.30 | _c3w_ | hi |
| 02:56.49 | amphi | ghod, it's enough to drive one to sid ;) |
| 02:57.07 | Kovensky | amphi: sid is TOO MUCH testing for me... |
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| 02:57.20 | Kovensky | amphi: tough I like most of my most used packages built from svn |
| 02:57.36 | Kovensky | builds mplayer, ffmpeg and x264 from svn/git |
| 02:57.43 | amphi | aye, but 'squeezy' might be too much for me |
| 02:57.46 | jpinx | what do you get when you squeeze Lenny? -- Sid :D |
| 02:57.49 | some2 | hellooooooooo |
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| 02:58.57 | abrotman | !squeeze |
| 02:58.58 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the release to follow Lenny. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 03:00.25 | shyam_k | !lenny status |
| 03:00.26 | dpkg | Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html |
| 03:00.46 | amphi | oh, squeeze has three eyes, that's heartening |
| 03:01.28 | Kovensky | !squeeze status |
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| 03:01.47 | Kovensky | oh, no info on that =p |
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| 03:02.47 | indrora | How do i fix well |
| 03:02.47 | indrora | augh |
| 03:02.51 | indrora | my C600 seems to be borked! |
| 03:02.54 | indrora | i can boot |
| 03:03.05 | indrora | GDM comes up.. almost |
| 03:03.37 | indrora | but the graphics are going south faster than leper falls apart on a bike with square wheels |
| 03:03.57 | amphi | a poignant image |
| 03:04.27 | SamuraiDio | i have installed nvidia-glx, and aptitude installed as dependencies a new kernel and nvidia kernel modules, if i use dpkg-reconfigure X don't start, and with my old xorg.conf X works, GL works, but when i swith to terminal (Ctrl+F[1-6]) my screen shows anything (just nvidia BSOD) |
| 03:04.37 | indrora | i get the first 1/4, the 4th 1/4 and then repeat |
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| 03:10.26 | SamuraiDio | got a fix in debian wiki |
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| 03:12.09 | raijin | iam usingmostly sid no problems except this damn flash |
| 03:13.22 | abrotman | raijin: /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 03:28.54 | raijin | abrotman: yes but it worked fine before this last upgrade of flash |
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| 03:39.00 | Quartermaster1 | do I need all 21 iso images to set up Debian? |
| 03:39.28 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 03:39.28 | dpkg | netinst is, like, a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 03:39.33 | abrotman | raijin: that's kind of vague |
| 03:39.40 | ^Tox|c_To4dy^ | yes u need all 21 |
| 03:39.59 | Quartermaster1 | ok ..tx |
| 03:40.24 | MostAwesomeDude | Depends. IIRC the packages are set up by popularity-contest, so you might not need them all. IME the first DVD is usually enough for a minimal base. |
| 03:40.36 | MostAwesomeDude | OTOH I might be silly. :3 |
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| 03:41.47 | ^Tox|c_To4dy^ | i just installed compiz on my debian |
| 03:42.02 | ^Tox|c_To4dy^ | i need to know wat to do next |
| 03:42.47 | abrotman | Quartermaster1: you do not need all 21 |
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| 03:43.04 | abrotman | Quartermaster1: the netinst is usually the best way to go .. 150MB |
| 03:43.16 | abrotman | ^Tox|c_To4dy^: don't tell people that need all 21 CDs .. that's wrong and silly |
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| 03:43.57 | largos | I'm setting up an etch box to host some django apps, and I'm having trouble finding the "correct" way to get python 2.5 to be the default python environment/interpreter |
| 03:44.17 | abrotman | you don't want to do that |
| 03:44.23 | abrotman | the system utilities expect 2.4 |
| 03:44.44 | largos | hm.. which system utilities? |
| 03:44.47 | abrotman | largos: you would set the django scripts to call python2.5 directly |
| 03:45.02 | largos | hm.. |
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| 03:45.29 | ^Tox|c_To4dy^ | guess no ones gonna help me |
| 03:45.35 | largos | perhaps I'll just run lenny... |
| 03:45.49 | abrotman | or that |
| 03:45.56 | abrotman | python2.5 is the default in lenny |
| 03:46.12 | largos | yeah, my laptop is lenny -- I thought it was etch, but apparently not :) |
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| 03:46.22 | abrotman | whoops |
| 03:46.34 | largos | (it's been a while since I did the install) |
| 03:46.36 | SamuraiDio | 1463: resolution: 98x99 dots per inch |
| 03:46.37 | SamuraiDio | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.53 | dondelelcaro | not all monitors are square |
| 03:47.11 | zinx | not all monitors represent the exact size in millimeters |
| 03:47.18 | zinx | (more common :P ) |
| 03:47.36 | largos | has never seen a square monitor :) |
| 03:47.44 | zinx | largos: square pixels |
| 03:48.00 | largos | zinx: ah.. |
| 03:48.03 | zinx | and i think the drivers may just always round down when calculating DPI |
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| 03:48.16 | largos | seems reasonable |
| 03:48.26 | zinx | so if they see it's 98.999 according to the resolution / size, they say 98 |
| 03:49.52 | SamuraiDio | so, should i trust this settings, or force 96x96 on xorg.conf? |
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| 03:51.25 | zinx | SamuraiDio: it's likely 99x99, but you can set it to whatever. |
| 03:51.42 | dude101 | zinx: 100 |
| 03:51.44 | SamuraiDio | ok |
| 03:51.53 | zinx | dude101: no, it's more likely to be 99x99. |
| 03:51.57 | SamuraiDio | i`ll let as is for now |
| 03:52.03 | zinx | dude101: (physically) |
| 03:52.28 | zinx | what fonts exist is another matter :P |
| 03:52.52 | cHiLi_con_carne | hello trying to install drivers for my nic manually and to create the module I need the kernel sources can someone give me a direct link to the deb that I would need for this? (amd64 arch) |
| 03:53.20 | cHiLi_con_carne | Atheros(R) AR8121/AR8113 PCI-E is the card |
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| 03:57.05 | dude101 | cHiLi_con_carne: use apt |
| 03:57.08 | cHiLi_con_carne | ok... I think I found it http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-source-2.6.26_2.6.26-4_all.deb would this be wrte? |
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| 03:57.16 | cHiLi_con_carne | dude how If I have no internet connection? |
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| 03:57.29 | cHiLi_con_carne | dude101, how if I have no internet connection?* |
| 03:57.29 | dude101 | oh yeah |
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| 03:58.49 | tech_sponge | im trying to install debian from my usb with netinstall and it wont detect my network card, any ideas? |
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| 03:59.19 | tech_sponge | its a realtek 8101e |
| 03:59.19 | cHiLi_con_carne | tech_sponge, same problem... (no nic dectected...) |
| 03:59.40 | tech_sponge | you have the same issue? |
| 03:59.54 | cHiLi_con_carne | yea... no internet.. :'( |
| 04:00.43 | tech_sponge | your trying to do a network install? |
| 04:00.51 | cHiLi_con_carne | well no I did an xfce install |
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| 04:01.03 | tech_sponge | o i cant install |
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| 04:01.13 | cHiLi_con_carne | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.27 | tech_sponge | google? |
| 04:01.41 | tech_sponge | so any one have any ideas? |
| 04:01.57 | tech_sponge | some one say to pass noacpi |
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| 04:02.03 | cHiLi_con_carne | tech_sponge, do "lspci | grep Ethernet" |
| 04:02.17 | cHiLi_con_carne | tech_sponge, and then google the one that it displays |
| 04:02.44 | tech_sponge | did it |
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| 04:02.53 | tech_sponge | thats why im here |
| 04:02.56 | tech_sponge | lol |
| 04:03.47 | cHiLi_con_carne | ok so other then the linux-source package do I need anything that isn't already including on the standard xfce install? |
| 04:04.01 | tech_sponge | headers? |
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| 04:04.15 | cHiLi_con_carne | ah yea |
| 04:04.24 | Benalex | tech_sponge I have been through this... and it was plain pain in de ass.. finally I moved to Lenny Beta2 |
| 04:04.48 | tech_sponge | where can i find the netinstall for that? |
| 04:04.57 | dude101 | cHiLi_con_carne: why not try a kernel-image.deb, file |
| 04:04.59 | Benalex | let me get u the link |
| 04:05.13 | tech_sponge | o man |
| 04:05.18 | tech_sponge | thanks a bunch |
| 04:05.32 | cHiLi_con_carne | dude101, and that is? (contains everything I assume?) and where can I download it? |
| 04:05.44 | Benalex | tech_sponge http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 04:05.47 | dihymo | is there a reason grub is using uuids now? |
| 04:06.11 | dude101 | do a google for kernel-image debian, i think their in backports |
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| 04:06.32 | dihymo | a week ago my machine wouldn't boot kept saying initrd command not found |
| 04:06.44 | dihymo | isn't it linux image now |
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| 04:06.50 | dihymo | not kernel |
| 04:06.54 | cHiLi_con_carne | dude101, so it has all the things for kernel source right? |
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| 04:07.21 | dihymo | apt-get source <package> |
| 04:07.43 | dude101 | cHiLi_con_carne: linux-image, sry |
| 04:08.06 | cHiLi_con_carne | dude101, np |
| 04:08.25 | cHiLi_con_carne | this acer pisses me off I thought acer was more linux friendly.... |
| 04:09.08 | dude101 | it'll fix |
| 04:09.20 | cHiLi_con_carne | I hope... |
| 04:10.15 | cHiLi_con_carne | google only pulls up 3 hits for stuff on the ethernet driver.... on a ubuntu forum but debian doesn't have the kernel sources.. so now im here... |
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| 04:10.55 | dihymo | debian has kernel sources you have to request them |
| 04:11.13 | cHiLi_con_carne | yea I know... just not on the install CD |
| 04:11.19 | cHiLi_con_carne | possibly to save space I assume ;) |
| 04:11.28 | dihymo | which one did you get? |
| 04:11.29 | dude101 | cHiLi_con_carne: nic? |
| 04:11.47 | dude101 | which nic |
| 04:11.50 | dihymo | realtek 8101e i think he said |
| 04:11.54 | cHiLi_con_carne | no |
| 04:11.57 | cHiLi_con_carne | thats another dude |
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| 04:12.56 | cHiLi_con_carne | let me reboot (in vista atm, yes i know I must be anoob for using vista... lol I use slack and arch mostly... but slack doesn't have 64bit port and building driver on arch results in it only working once..... so tryig debian now |
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| 04:17.39 | tech_sponge | Benalex |
| 04:17.43 | tech_sponge | dident work |
| 04:18.16 | tech_sponge | im trying to install debian from my usb with netinstall and it wont detect my network card, any ideas? its a realtek 8101e |
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| 04:19.30 | tech_sponge | ? |
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| 04:20.39 | Benalex | tech_sponge ur CPU is? |
| 04:20.55 | SamuraiDio | !Atheros |
| 04:20.55 | dpkg | Atheros Communications is a developer of semiconductors. Ask me about <madwifi> for stable wireless chipset drivers, <ath5k> or <ath9k> for wireless drivers under development. Ask me about <atl1> or <atl2> for Ethernet adapter drivers. |
| 04:21.01 | tech_sponge | 1.6ghz intel atom |
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| 04:21.11 | SamuraiDio | !ath5k |
| 04:21.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ath5k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) wireless driver for Atheros 5xxx wireless LAN chipsets. It is a _very_ new driver under heavy development. See http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/ath5k and http://madwifi.org/wiki/About/ath5k for more information. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See also <wireless tree>. |
| 04:21.58 | Benalex | tech_sponge http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ this link has the images to netboot Lenny Beta2 .. I recommend you reading Docu about netbooting |
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| 04:22.50 | tech_sponge | gotta use a usb |
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| 04:24.11 | cHiLi_con_carne | dude101, 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Unknown device 1969:1026 (rev b0) |
| 04:24.11 | cHiLi_con_carne | 08:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Unknown device 4229 (rev 61) |
| 04:24.17 | tech_sponge | so that wont work benalex |
| 04:24.49 | Benalex | tech_sponge sec plz |
| 04:25.06 | tech_sponge | sure |
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| 04:25.58 | Benalex | tech_sponge first read this http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 04:26.13 | cHiLi_con_carne | dude101, the second one is the wifi but I want to get a landline working first to get my system setup you know? |
| 04:26.57 | tech_sponge | got it! next? |
| 04:27.49 | dude101 | cHiLi_con_carne: yeah i understand, you may be better off getting the wifi set-up. |
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| 04:27.59 | Benalex | through this docu u will use the files in this location http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/hd-media/ |
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| 04:28.17 | Benalex | it's the daily build |
| 04:28.32 | Benalex | tech_sponge got it? |
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| 04:28.39 | tech_sponge | did it |
| 04:29.07 | tech_sponge | "ethernet card not found" |
| 04:29.09 | Benalex | you tried it? |
| 04:29.24 | tech_sponge | 1st thing i did |
| 04:29.37 | Benalex | used these files? |
| 04:29.40 | Benalex | I doubt |
| 04:29.42 | cHiLi_con_carne | dude101, yea but debian doesn't include wifi drivers right? |
| 04:29.46 | Benalex | that's the daily bui;d |
| 04:29.54 | tech_sponge | at the bottom of the 1st page you sent is that link |
| 04:30.46 | tech_sponge | would you know how to pass "noacpi" |
| 04:31.17 | Benalex | ok since ur NIC driver isn't included in any of the initrds... the you can't do netboot as far as I know |
| 04:31.35 | cHiLi_con_carne | dude101, in the installer I mean? I would have to download them although i can't.... can I just download the indivudal package for the driver on vista? |
| 04:31.40 | tech_sponge | this is the aspire one |
| 04:31.50 | cHiLi_con_carne | tech_sponge, you are using acer as well? |
| 04:31.53 | tech_sponge | there is a install page |
| 04:31.58 | tech_sponge | lol |
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| 04:32.09 | cHiLi_con_carne | tech_sponge, what module number? |
| 04:32.10 | tech_sponge | yohave the aspire one chili? |
| 04:32.18 | cHiLi_con_carne | tech_sponge, yes 6920 |
| 04:32.27 | tech_sponge | 6920? |
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| 04:32.52 | tech_sponge | model number benalex? |
| 04:33.06 | cHiLi_con_carne | tech_sponge, everyone in the linux community was telling me that acer are linux friendly computer... lies.... |
| 04:33.19 | cHiLi_con_carne | tech_sponge, yes 6920 whatabout you? |
| 04:33.39 | Benalex | in debian site there is a page you can paste ur lspci output and it will give you a great info |
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| 04:34.24 | Benalex | tech_sponge http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 04:34.43 | Benalex | it should give you the driver name that would work with ur NIC |
| 04:36.16 | tech_sponge | he says it should work but you have to pass "noacpi" |
| 04:36.17 | tech_sponge | how do you pass "noacpi" |
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| 04:36.54 | cHiLi_con_carne | tech_sponge, during install press "ctrl+alt+f2" |
| 04:37.06 | tech_sponge | install? |
| 04:37.07 | cHiLi_con_carne | and then mount a usb drive and then pipe it to a text file |
| 04:37.08 | Benalex | press ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 04:37.17 | Benalex | cool |
| 04:37.18 | Benalex | :) |
| 04:37.19 | cHiLi_con_carne | im not sure if netinstal has all the drivers though.... |
| 04:37.24 | tech_sponge | o ok |
| 04:37.30 | cHiLi_con_carne | new to this debian thing |
| 04:37.39 | Benalex | tech you also may type noacpi in the kernel line |
| 04:37.49 | tech_sponge | how where? |
| 04:38.09 | Benalex | tech_sponge once you booted you can't see a boot menu? |
| 04:38.16 | tech_sponge | i can |
| 04:38.40 | Benalex | then you should see at the bottom a key to press so you can edit the kernel line |
| 04:38.40 | tech_sponge | i all works but i will give me all the info for the eth adpt |
| 04:38.50 | tech_sponge | lspci |
| 04:39.31 | tech_sponge | i did but that dident work |
| 04:39.32 | tech_sponge | shit |
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| 04:39.58 | scrote | hi |
| 04:39.59 | tech_sponge | so now i have to download a driver and install? |
| 04:40.16 | scrote | nano question, how do i display the line number the cursor is on ? |
| 04:40.39 | Benalex | tech_sponge I suggest so... you may baypass the network detection and complete along with the installtion then reinstall the driver once the installation finished |
| 04:40.55 | cHiLi_con_carne | Benalex, he is doing network install |
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| 04:41.22 | cHiLi_con_carne | tech_sponge, I would download a cd that has DM in it or maybe a bass so you have somthing to work with |
| 04:41.27 | Benalex | cHiLi_con_carne I guess network install isn't a good way now... as far as I knwo |
| 04:41.55 | tech_sponge | when you have a pc with out a cd rom what other op's do you have? |
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| 04:42.31 | Benalex | tech_sponge try hd-media install |
| 04:43.16 | Benalex | tech_sponge you can download the debian iso image to a partition and using hd-media files you can start installing directly from that image |
| 04:43.26 | tech_sponge | hd-media-install? |
| 04:43.37 | tech_sponge | oic |
| 04:43.43 | tech_sponge | is there a writeup |
| 04:44.26 | Benalex | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en |
| 04:44.33 | Benalex | tech_sponge dude... RTFM |
| 04:45.13 | Benalex | tech_sponge I recommend you going throu this docu http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ before starting installtion so you can figure out a good way to go |
| 04:46.13 | tech_sponge | rtfm? |
| 04:46.27 | Benalex | Read the Manuals |
| 04:46.32 | tech_sponge | lol |
| 04:46.37 | tech_sponge | i did |
| 04:46.45 | Benalex | I guess you should read again :) |
| 04:47.12 | tech_sponge | i would not be here if i dident |
| 04:48.08 | Benalex | anyway I wish you good luck... lack of optical drive is a real hard time |
| 04:48.08 | tech_sponge | i try to use that howto usb boot and it wont work |
| 04:48.21 | tech_sponge | yea wtf |
| 04:48.23 | tech_sponge | lol |
| 04:48.39 | Benalex | but believe me .. you will learn alot after passing it |
| 04:49.04 | tech_sponge | i did it with ubuntu, installed the base system |
| 04:49.23 | tech_sponge | switch to debian and its like starting over |
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| 04:50.20 | Benalex | me too I started with Ubuntu.. and it was charming |
| 04:50.28 | Benalex | I admit it Debian is little tough |
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| 04:51.01 | dude101 | i started at the deep end, sarge i386 about 3 years ago. i failed many times |
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| 04:51.27 | dude101 | but i'm on lenny amd64 |
| 04:51.59 | dude101 | tried feora Zod loved but it was too easy |
| 04:52.22 | Benalex | this problem can be solved ONLY IF I know how to modify initrd.gz and add my NIC driver into it |
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| 04:53.54 | dude101 | Benalex: http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz a good place to start |
| 04:54.08 | judaz | hey, I have a problem with kde, no sound is playing. Kopete sounds dont work, but music (amarok) does. #kde people told me to install esound package, once its installed I restarted X, but problem still theres.. Any idea? |
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| 04:54.38 | Benalex | dude101 to start what? |
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| 04:55.53 | dude101 | an initrd |
| 04:56.25 | tech_sponge | i know this sounds crazy but do i need to have my eth cord pluged in |
| 04:57.05 | Benalex | dude101 thank you man... thank you alot |
| 04:57.30 | Benalex | tech_sponge are you serious? |
| 04:58.02 | p1ngp0ng | whats a good image viewer to use? |
| 04:58.05 | dude101 | Benalex: np |
| 04:58.17 | tech_sponge | for it to find my eth card |
| 04:58.20 | tech_sponge | id think no |
| 04:58.27 | tech_sponge | but ive seen some shit in my time |
| 04:58.33 | Benalex | tech_sponge aha.. sure no.. |
| 04:58.39 | tech_sponge | lol |
| 04:58.55 | Benalex | hehe.. alot of shit.. that screwed all ur head |
| 04:59.09 | nachos | tech_sponge: you dont need a cord plugged in for the OS to detect the card. |
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| 05:00.11 | p1ngp0ng | anyone know what a nice little app to view photos with would be? |
| 05:00.20 | tech_sponge | hey id think not |
| 05:00.25 | dondelelcaro | p1ngp0ng: feh |
| 05:00.33 | p1ngp0ng | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 05:00.43 | nachos | is the app gqview still around? |
| 05:01.13 | Quartermaster1 | I want to install Debian on my intel machine.... can get past the boot or press f1 screen ( keyboard isn't getting recognized) |
| 05:02.19 | p1ngp0ng | dondelelcaro: got one with a gui maybe? :) |
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| 05:02.50 | raijin | hmm its has occureed on the windows box as well it seems, the flash issue |
| 05:03.07 | raijin | occured* |
| 05:03.15 | raijin | :D |
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| 05:05.28 | dondelelcaro | p1ngp0ng: why do you need a gui? |
| 05:05.33 | dondelelcaro | p1ngp0ng: it shows pictures |
| 05:06.10 | dondelelcaro | if you want to browse using thumbnails, feh -t *; |
| 05:06.11 | nachos | how do i set a image to be my wallpaper in bb? |
| 05:06.14 | nachos | im avoiding gnome. |
| 05:06.31 | dondelelcaro | nachos: feh --bg-center foofile; (or whatever else you want) |
| 05:07.24 | tech_sponge | @#$$@#$ |
| 05:07.29 | tech_sponge | had to load the driver |
| 05:07.31 | tech_sponge | wtf |
| 05:07.41 | tech_sponge | they need to update the wiki for the aspire one |
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| 05:08.13 | p1ngp0ng | dondelelcaro: well, i want one to preview pictures kinda like the windows photo previewer |
| 05:08.14 | hantaro | heY guys |
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| 05:08.25 | hantaro | i'm having some problem |
| 05:08.40 | tech_sponge | any who i need to use my eth from this comp, so thanks for your help guys |
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| 05:09.03 | fvwmnet | dondelelcaro: display and feh which fast? |
| 05:09.20 | hantaro | i'm under debian 4.0 etch amd64 |
| 05:09.40 | hantaro | trying to install flashplayer on iceweasel |
| 05:09.46 | hantaro | it's not working =- ) |
| 05:10.48 | kasmra | fvwmnet: time show that feh might be a tad faster |
| 05:10.49 | hantaro | someone got a little patience here? |
| 05:10.52 | kasmra | *shows |
| 05:11.24 | fvwmnet | kasmra: how to time it ? ths |
| 05:12.12 | hantaro | nobody? |
| 05:12.22 | kasmra | 'man time'. usually just type 'time <commands-you-want-to-time> |
| 05:13.31 | fvwmnet | kasmra: I type time feh xx.jpg but if I don't close it time along. |
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| 05:15.24 | kasmra | fvwmnet, thhat's why I said "might" in the first place :) |
| 05:15.36 | NeoIce | anyone know the escape sequence for BREAK? |
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| 05:19.00 | kasmra | fvwmnet, actually you should pay attention to user and sys fields in the output info of time |
| 05:20.31 | fvwmnet | kasmra: feh can auto open those photos in one folder when i click one photo? |
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| 05:23.46 | kasmra | fvwmnet, not sure if that's possible. afore mentioned 'feh -t *' for browsing and 'feh -FZ *' for viewing is usually what I use the most. |
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| 05:28.04 | NeoIce | anyone have a clue why debian netinstall sparc wont be read by my ultra5? |
| 05:30.05 | kasmra | fvwmnet, have to consult our old friend man on that one :) |
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| 05:46.55 | Quartermaster1 | since Knoppix is Debian based can I ask a question about it here? |
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| 05:49.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | Quartermaster1, no. |
| 05:49.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell Quartermaster1 about debian based |
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| 05:54.15 | Quartermaster1 | I want to install Debian on my intel machine.... can get past the boot or press f1 screen ( keyboard isn't getting recognized) |
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| 06:12.13 | Eulex | hello |
| 06:13.02 | dmoerner | Eulex: hello |
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| 06:14.21 | Eulex | an apache2 process on my server apparently got into D state, doesn't respond, and doesn't want to shut down. can I solve this without rebooting the server? |
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| 06:15.13 | Somni | short of just waiting it out and hoping, probably not |
| 06:15.26 | Eulex | ok, thanks |
| 06:15.31 | Eulex | guess I'll reboot it then |
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| 07:04.33 | icedtea | whats that program that will let you spy on another programs sys or libcalls? |
| 07:06.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | um. a debugger? |
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| 07:06.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | Eulex, what is a 'D state'? |
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| 07:07.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | dihymo, are you asking, or telling us ? |
| 07:07.10 | micha__ | i know this is not the right # to ask but does someone know where to find dreamlinux irc |
| 07:07.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | no. tried google? |
| 07:07.46 | micha__ | Kamping_Kaiser: if you are asking me yes ... |
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| 07:08.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | micha__, and i take it you came directly here without looking at the results? |
| 07:08.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=what+is+the+dreamlinux+irc+channel&btnG=Search&meta= |
| 07:09.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | first hit: http://dreamlinuxnews.wordpress.com/2008/01/12/new-irc-channel-opened/ |
| 07:09.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | !lart micha__ |
| 07:09.26 | dpkg | does a little 'dpkg -P micha__' action |
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| 07:12.47 | micha__ | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks ... sorry *blush* |
| 07:13.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | tuts :p |
| 07:14.24 | micha__ | hmm 1 nick ... |
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| 07:33.29 | anw | how can I disable usbdrive caching? |
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| 07:46.48 | xingu | configures msntp and feels unclean |
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| 07:55.51 | fvwmnet | hi everybody, gaim is too big, is there some smaller photos edit tool? |
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| 07:58.03 | simonrvn | gaim doesn't edit images...? |
| 07:58.20 | dihymo | gimp?? |
| 07:58.28 | fvwmnet | dihymo: yes . |
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| 08:02.58 | simonrvn | !tell fvwmnet -about search |
| 08:03.31 | fvwmnet | simonrvn: I think xpaint is ok ,thanks |
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| 08:06.18 | SpeCon | hello: How can i write a message in SHELL to another user account ? |
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| 08:09.24 | NeoIce | is there a SPARC debian channel? |
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| 08:09.50 | dihymo | nope just this just ask |
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| 08:10.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | NeoIce, #debian-sparc on oftc (quiet though) |
| 08:11.01 | NeoIce | huh. well, apparently its a known hardware issue |
| 08:11.20 | NeoIce | I have a feeling the output is going to be garbled on the console, any rememdy for that? |
| 08:11.28 | NeoIce | yep, that looks.... horrible. |
| 08:12.21 | dihymo | how horrible? lines bigger than 80 chars? |
| 08:12.31 | NeoIce | garbage characters. |
| 08:12.51 | dihymo | can feed the output to a file? |
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| 08:13.06 | NeoIce | I have a similar problem on another system, was told it has to do with UTF-8 |
| 08:13.06 | dihymo | then look at it through an editor |
| 08:13.26 | NeoIce | yeah, I dont feel like doing a whole install like that |
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| 08:13.36 | NeoIce | and if the installer is doing that, will the rest of the OS? |
| 08:13.42 | khades | is there any emacs user? |
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| 08:13.51 | NeoIce | I intend to manage this system by serial port |
| 08:13.58 | dihymo | is you LANG or locale set to utf8? |
| 08:13.58 | xingu | NeoIce: if by "console" you mean "serial console" try enabling software (xon/xoff) flow control. |
| 08:14.35 | kommodore | khades: yes |
| 08:14.57 | dihymo | any shrubbers? |
| 08:15.10 | xingu | depending on _which_ sparc it is, some of the older ones need a tighter zs (serial uart) driver than linux provides |
| 08:15.31 | xingu | notes that the sunos4.1 zs driver is a bloody work of art |
| 08:15.41 | NeoIce | its an ultra5 |
| 08:16.27 | xingu | that should mostly keep up but it'll still overrun; if you're seeing the odd garbled char in say the boot messages for instance that's probably what you're looking at - get some handshaking going on. |
| 08:16.41 | NeoIce | and I'm using screen to connect to a USB serial adapter, but ctrl-A F (flow) doesnt fix it |
| 08:17.06 | xingu | try minicom |
| 08:17.47 | khades | kommodore: did you try to use Jed editor? |
| 08:19.04 | NeoIce | hm, lets see if debian will see this device by default |
| 08:19.08 | xingu | ultra5 has 16550 uart but I'm not convinced that the linux driver enables sufficient tx buffer (or has tight enough interrupt latency) to run it without overrun - last time I ran ppp on one for instance it was abysmal |
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| 08:19.51 | NeoIce | I've been working on it from my OSX partition, lemme switch over and see if things work better / install minicom |
| 08:19.52 | xingu | personally I'd suggest running sol8 on it ;) |
| 08:19.56 | kommodore | khades: no |
| 08:20.20 | NeoIce | I used sol10 and wanted to die |
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| 08:20.26 | NeoIce | and I want my precious aptitude |
| 08:21.02 | xingu | (sunos4.1.3u really flies if you shoehorn it into onto the otter) |
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| 08:23.16 | xingu | yeah sol10's footprint is a bit much for that guy; max memory config is 1GB from memory which is barely enough to boot these days ;) |
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| 08:23.59 | NeoIce | sol10 was on a different system |
| 08:25.08 | NeoIce | hey, look at that, screen works just fine under debian. |
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| 08:27.22 | NeoIce | think this box can even handle debian? just drawing the installer menus is slow |
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| 08:31.07 | xingu | NeoIce: depends on how much memory you put in it; if you've got the full 1GB and it's the good stuff (50ns ECC, 400MHz CPU) then it'll make reasonable xterm; asking it to run gnome locally is probably going to be a stretch, but hey tastes vary |
| 08:31.45 | NeoIce | I dont need or want to run X at all |
| 08:31.58 | xingu | NeoIce: it'd make a pretty good ntp stratum 1 source if you wired up a pps clock and stripped back the daemons running on it |
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| 08:33.46 | xingu | NeoIce: it'll probably be too slow for modern sw dev depending on what you've gotten acclimatised to; if you do want to go down that path then you need a u320 scsi controller or a 2.5GB/s fc/al controller (if they're supported under linux) and the appropriate disk pack |
| 08:34.02 | xingu | NeoIce: the internal ide controller is just crap by modern standards |
| 08:34.50 | xingu | NeoIce: from memory otter doesn't have pci-x either so you're going to flood the bus with even a moderately good storage design |
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| 08:35.37 | xingu | NeoIce: fyi: the otter was always shipped/sold as either an entry level workstation or far more commonly a terminal for a cluster environment |
| 08:36.08 | xingu | it's the IPC of its vintage ;) |
| 08:36.21 | xingu | and as much of a pig to work on internally too |
| 08:38.01 | JyZyXEL | why are there 143 packages being kept back on apt-get upgrade |
| 08:38.08 | NeoIce | dist-upgrade |
| 08:38.14 | xingu | some of them got deployed as firewalls (classic stack is sol2.7 running fw-1 with qfe fitted) but these days the forwarding latency would suck by virtue of being measurable at load |
| 08:38.43 | NeoIce | xingu: really, it would suck as a firewall, even on a home network? |
| 08:39.45 | xingu | NeoIce: it'd probably cope with that but really if you run 3x 100base ports at load (so mix is 64byte packets at line rate) you're looking at both discards as well as say anywhere between 1-4ms forwarding latency |
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| 08:42.14 | xingu | NeoIce: compare that with say the gigascreen asic or pxf (on the rare occasion that it's behaving and not punting to the rp) where policy lookup is nil cost and the backplane can do a good impression of switching 3x gigabit line rates... |
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| 08:43.54 | NeoIce | well, I'm broke, it was a free machine, I wanted to play with SPARC... I'll find some use |
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| 08:44.43 | xingu | NeoIce: it'll probably do your job but the stress points to monitor are 1/ it's a single cpu system and whatever your load once that core is soaked it's going to shed work and 2/ it's got a relatively narrow memory as well as peripheral bus |
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| 08:44.58 | xingu | NeoIce: so keep an eye on interrupt rate and pagefault rate |
| 08:45.57 | xingu | NeoIce: once you get to say 2-3k interrupts/s and maybe what 4-8k pagefaults/s that's probably your lot and somewhere the work is going to start being shed in a measurable way (dropped packets, long io delays, whatever) |
| 08:46.11 | NeoIce | I'm not going to put it to work as a fileserver, probably firewall, maybe a small web app, maybe crunch some random numbers on it |
| 08:47.00 | xingu | NeoIce: fair do; keep an eye on bounding max memory use when you're configuring each of those; you do not want to start swapping on that guy |
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| 08:51.37 | ikevin | ehlo |
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| 08:54.43 | Piper69_ | peterS: am back |
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| 09:02.58 | Skiessi | http://paste.servut.us/ojsj |
| 09:03.13 | Skiessi | how to fix the architecture? |
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| 09:04.12 | maligor | are you just trying to get flamed or what? |
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| 09:04.36 | Skiessi | how's that? |
| 09:04.44 | maligor | this isn't #ubuntu |
| 09:04.55 | Skiessi | it shouldn't matter at all |
| 09:05.33 | maligor | since the system in question is ubuntu, unless you're trying to do something really twisted, it does |
| 09:07.05 | Skiessi | http://paste.servut.us/dusg better? |
| 09:07.41 | Skiessi | http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.6.46.4-0.1_amd64.deb downloaded from here |
| 09:08.09 | Skiessi | and yes I'm trying to do something really twisted |
| 09:08.34 | maligor | have fun with the pieces |
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| 09:13.30 | SpeCon | hello: How can i write a message in SHELL to another user account ? |
| 09:13.34 | Skiessi | ok I'll just use --force-architecture :/ |
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| 09:20.49 | msshams | i have some files in a folder that are compound from text and number. like this ->"1218282326big" |
| 09:20.51 | msshams | i want rename all of that files and change number section of each file name +2. |
| 09:20.53 | msshams | e.g. "503big" must be "505big". can you help me please that how can i do it? |
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| 09:22.08 | faffi | is there way to block a user from using the export command |
| 09:23.14 | maligor | don't give them a shell? |
| 09:23.33 | faffi | chrooted ssh |
| 09:23.35 | faffi | :/ |
| 09:23.59 | dbmoodb | mmm no export ? |
| 09:24.00 | maligor | maybe you could make a limited busybox |
| 09:24.25 | dbmoodb | why do you want that anyway... |
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| 09:25.32 | faffi | just curius really |
| 09:25.38 | faffi | curious* |
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| 09:25.56 | grig | try this one: alias export=ls ;) |
| 09:25.58 | faffi | my friends trying to break my chroot and made fun of me cause he exported HISTSIZE to 0 so it wont keep logs |
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| 09:27.09 | JyZyXEL | nice friends |
| 09:27.14 | faffi | yeah :P |
| 09:27.21 | faffi | i realized its cause i screwed up the makejail |
| 09:27.33 | faffi | no etc/profile to set the file to readonly |
| 09:28.15 | xingu | faffi: put him inside a vps instance next time (kvm/xen/virtualserver/...) |
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| 09:29.00 | faffi | lol |
| 09:29.11 | faffi | could anyone point me to a well documented makejail guide |
| 09:29.13 | dbmoodb | faffi: ? |
| 09:29.20 | faffi | dbmoodb: ? |
| 09:29.36 | dbmoodb | wait he set no logs at all rofl ? |
| 09:29.43 | dbmoodb | ... isn't that just for him |
| 09:29.53 | faffi | uh yeah |
| 09:29.56 | faffi | but i want to read what hes doing |
| 09:31.00 | dbmoodb | .... install a tty sniffer / viewer ? |
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| 09:31.20 | faffi | that sounds good, could you name one |
| 09:31.25 | faffi | im googling already |
| 09:33.09 | xingu | !describe ttysnoop |
| 09:33.31 | faffi | its an ssh connection |
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| 09:34.14 | asdzxc | hi |
| 09:34.29 | asdzxc | i have problems settings the DefaultAddress in ProFTPd in Etch |
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| 09:34.35 | asdzxc | i set it, start proftpd and it say: |
| 09:34.39 | asdzxc | Starting ftp server: proftpd - setting default address to x.x.x.x |
| 09:34.44 | asdzxc | but when i do lsof -i | grep proftpd |
| 09:34.48 | asdzxc | ican see |
| 09:34.53 | asdzxc | proftpd 22549 nobody 1u IPv4 22262363 TCP *:ftp (LISTEN) |
| 09:34.57 | asdzxc | and it's really listening on all my IPs |
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| 09:36.23 | xingu | asdzxc: <virtualhost x.y.z></virtualhost> probably. |
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| 09:40.35 | asdzxc | xingu i don need to set it to virtualhost, i need to change default bind address |
| 09:41.27 | nikolavp | how do i get what package owns |
| 09:41.29 | nikolavp | a file |
| 09:41.32 | nikolavp | with dpkg :? |
| 09:41.35 | xingu | asdzxc: it's been a while since I last looked into the source of that abomination but you may discover the two are synonymous - or not. hence the suggestion to try it... |
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| 09:42.28 | nikolavp | oh -S thx anyway |
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| 09:43.56 | asdzxc | ok, i will try, thnx |
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| 09:46.01 | xingu | asdzxc: nb, if this is public-facing, I would _strongly_ advise you to develop a regression test suite that attempted to refute the intent of every single configuration setting you alter from default |
| 09:47.12 | xingu | asdzxc: the proftpd source is tasty and slow on its feet by which I mean over the course of its history there have been occasions where subtle errors have been introduced silently killing a given directive's utility |
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| 09:48.31 | xingu | asdzxc: ... so test what you configure now, after every upgrade |
| 09:49.15 | KnuckOne | !ftpmustdie |
| 09:49.15 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 09:50.37 | asdzxc | xingu ok, thnx for advice |
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| 09:56.15 | PsiClops | good morning |
| 09:56.20 | PsiClops | i have a orinoco pcmcia (gold classic) i am would like to set it in monitoring mode but don't have a clue howto |
| 09:56.41 | PsiClops | i have tried in wireless but it seems everybodys asleep :| |
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| 10:00.48 | lxsameer | themill : hi , my problem does not solve yet i have read etch release note and do that but nothing |
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| 10:05.02 | PsiClops | hmm, any help on my issue ? |
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| 10:11.40 | lxsameer | themill : ping |
| 10:11.46 | JyZyXEL | The simple fact is that a NATted client and a NATted server cannot establish an FTP connection with each other, no matter which mode they choose (active or passive). Neither one works! |
| 10:11.50 | JyZyXEL | is that true? |
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| 10:12.55 | xingu | KnuckOne: that article's kind of amusing; although I'm too young to have lived through it, I've read enough history to understand why someone might want to discriminate a TAC from (for example) an IMP; I can also appreciate that ftp pre-dates rfc1918 by a considerable margin (and hence the idea of nonroutable addressing); I'm also aware, being confronted with one on an almost daily basis, that the first implementations of b |
| 10:12.56 | xingu | oth packet header+payload inspection as well as address translation also seriously post-date the initial network build (which ftp's antecedant helped, I might add, bootstrap); the business about control and data plane separation has now, hilariously, come back into vogue, and in any case, the reasons for it are documented in rfc104 |
| 10:13.31 | lxsameer | when i try to upgrade etch to lenny in aptitude dist-upgrade i get this http://phpfi.com/351182 |
| 10:13.51 | xingu | in fact that wiki article is proof positive of the maxim relating opinions to arseholes |
| 10:15.26 | PsiClops | I have a 2.6 kernel and am trying to set my Orinoco ( Gold Lucent/Agere ( Hermes I )) PCMCIA in monitor mode, i haven't a clue how to do this |
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| 10:20.38 | wols | JyZyXEL: it is true. which is why you can make some ftpds use certain ports and still connect |
| 10:21.27 | JyZyXEL | hmm well im behind a NAT and never had problems connecting an FTP server |
| 10:21.51 | karmatronic | PsiClops: iwconfig ath0 mode monitor |
| 10:21.55 | wols | JyZyXEL: the ftpd is not behind a NAT |
| 10:22.08 | karmatronic | PsiClops: replace ath0 with the name of your device |
| 10:22.16 | wols | lxsameer: use official, normal repos. not your local ones |
| 10:22.21 | s4br3 | Hi, I cannot print from printer. I've tried changing settings from KDE Control Settings but no luck, despite having "All users allowed". Google searches have not produced anything useful sofar. Is there anything really obvious I should check before I go on? |
| 10:22.35 | karmatronic | PsiClops: or direcly run airodump,it will put your device in monitor mode |
| 10:22.49 | karmatronic | s4br3: cups packages installed ? |
| 10:22.52 | wols | !tell s4br3 about doesn't work |
| 10:23.02 | karmatronic | s4br3: http://localhost:631 |
| 10:23.21 | PsiClops | thanx for the feedback ;D I'll try that |
| 10:24.06 | PsiClops | how do i find out the name of my device ? |
| 10:24.10 | s4br3 | Yes, in way it does "sit on a couch". There is no response at all. |
| 10:24.12 | karmatronic | PsiClops: iwconfig |
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| 10:24.35 | wols | s4br3: you didn't look on the right places |
| 10:24.37 | karmatronic | PsiClops: providing your wifi driver is well-running |
| 10:25.20 | s4br3 | wols: Yes, I now see a "Unable to open device file "/dev/lpt0": Permission denied" |
| 10:25.33 | wols | s4br3: run "id" |
| 10:26.00 | s4br3 | wols: uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),110(mysql) |
| 10:26.13 | xingu | actually if you wanted to have a real rant you could pick any one of an ever growing number of protocols which tunnel rpc via http _reinventing_ exactly the same set of issues which make ftp-via-tcp tunnelling appear so barfworthy to casual inspection ;) |
| 10:26.13 | wols | s4br3: do not run as root |
| 10:26.20 | s4br3 | but that was as root... |
| 10:26.27 | wols | s4br3: and linux has no lpt0 btw |
| 10:26.43 | wols | s4br3: and that was wrong. do not run as root unless you need root for something |
| 10:27.22 | wols | linux has lp0, no lpt0. Linux is not DOS |
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| 10:27.59 | s4br3 | uid=1001(s4br3) gid=1001(s4br3) groups=24(cdrom),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),60(games),106(powerdev),1001(s4br3) |
| 10:28.09 | werwolf | please what version have I to download and what are the differences? http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/snapshot-2415/intel-linux/ |
| 10:28.19 | Kovensky | wonders why people still refers to line printers when they're obsoleted for over 20 years |
| 10:28.19 | wols | werwolf: ask opera.com |
| 10:28.28 | werwolf | :( |
| 10:28.43 | werwolf | they send me here :( |
| 10:28.48 | PsiClops | karmatronic heres a paste of airodump_ng and iwconfig http://rafb.net/p/Wnre5590.html |
| 10:29.08 | wols | werwolf: I don't believe opera.com sent you here |
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| 10:31.16 | werwolf | they banned me :P |
| 10:31.30 | werwolf | I can no enter |
| 10:32.49 | wols | opera.com is not a irc channel |
| 10:32.57 | PsiClops | karmatronic strange i cannot set it in monitor mode :( |
| 10:32.57 | wols | opera.com is a website |
| 10:33.07 | wols | !tell PsiClops about errors |
| 10:33.44 | PsiClops | http://rafb.net/p/Wnre5590.html |
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| 10:34.41 | PsiClops | i thought i pasted that in the room, since i am using bitchx and dont know my way around that well i must have just sent it to a specific person :| sorry |
| 10:34.47 | karmatronic | PsiClops: some cards dont support monitor mode |
| 10:35.34 | PsiClops | I have read about a patch that doesn't work in 2.6 kernels that covers this issue.... |
| 10:35.51 | karmatronic | PsiClops: try also iwpriv eth0 monitor 1 |
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| 10:36.18 | wols | PsiClops: google. like http://trac.aircrack-ng.org/ticket/211 |
| 10:36.39 | wols | PsiClops: you did paste it in the room. and next time use irssi |
| 10:36.50 | PsiClops | it says : invalid command monitor |
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| 10:45.49 | mxmx | can anyone tell me ho w to install io cube lader? |
| 10:45.50 | mxmx | loader |
| 10:46.17 | ham5 | apt? |
| 10:46.27 | mxmx | aptget ioncube? |
| 10:47.10 | ham5 | http://www.crucialp.com/resources/tutorials/server-administration/how-to-howto-ioncube-loader.php |
| 10:47.19 | mxmx | thanks |
| 10:48.08 | ham5 | thank google |
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| 10:56.10 | earthian | Hello, my dd ... | nc ... and nc -l xxx | dd .. processes are active but no data gets stored or read... any idea whats happening? |
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| 10:57.31 | s4br3 | Adding printers is hard... I removed my printer, and tried to start anew. However, the KDE setup "Backend Slection" won't allow me to add a local printer. Obviously I missed something. Please, this is beyond me. |
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| 11:00.44 | xingu | ham5: how'd you get on? |
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| 11:01.06 | ham5 | how? |
| 11:01.12 | ham5 | same as usuall |
| 11:01.19 | xingu | ham5: traffic performance stuff the other day. |
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| 11:01.34 | ham5 | oh, yea about that :\, feel like a dummy |
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| 11:01.50 | xingu | go on, fess up ;) |
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| 11:01.57 | ham5 | it was firestarter, guess it added rules I didnt know about or understand |
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| 11:02.03 | xingu | laughs |
| 11:02.04 | ham5 | had to remove it and reboot |
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| 11:02.09 | ham5 | good to go :\ |
| 11:02.22 | ham5 | learned iptables a little tho :) |
| 11:02.52 | xingu | ham5: any chance you can park another copy of the same tcpdump somewhere I can fetch, now that you're square again? |
| 11:03.09 | wols | s4br3: did you do what karmatronic told you? |
| 11:03.13 | ham5 | I deleated it |
| 11:03.15 | ham5 | Download Speed: 19026 kbps (2378.3 KB/sec transfer rate) |
| 11:03.17 | xingu | ham5: ie, one showing the unthrottled case |
| 11:03.23 | ham5 | ohh.. |
| 11:03.39 | xingu | ham5: yeah, I've still got it, I'm interested in the pre/post case just for my own sake |
| 11:03.53 | ham5 | give me the tcpdump command again |
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| 11:04.43 | xingu | ham5: ok that's looking a bit saner and pointing back toward tcp issues; the next part of this is probably to micro-analyse the flow - "tcpdump -i eth0 -w /var/tmp/tcpdump.cap host ftp.utexas.edu" in one window then repeat your test case in another |
| 11:04.54 | ham5 | lol |
| 11:04.57 | xingu | ham5: thank ${deity} for recall eh |
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| 11:06.59 | s4br3 | wols: Oh, missed that one. Thanks. I'll chug along |
| 11:07.20 | earthian | how do i know if dd has crashed? |
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| 11:12.16 | Gargantua | Hi. |
| 11:12.30 | Gargantua | Which release do you guys recommend? stable or testing? |
| 11:12.35 | abrotman | earthian: man dd . it tells you how to print a progress report |
| 11:12.37 | ham5 | xingu, wget is slow wouldent go above 200K |
| 11:12.43 | abrotman | Gargantua: stable in most cases |
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| 11:12.52 | ham5 | Gargantua, whatever your comfortable using |
| 11:12.53 | abrotman | Gargantua: what's the point of the system ? |
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| 11:13.55 | Gargantua | Just a long-term desktop, I want the newest software but only if it's bug-free :P |
| 11:14.04 | abrotman | nothing is bugfree |
| 11:14.23 | abrotman | stable is .. more stable .. lenny/testing has newer packages .. but some things are still broken |
| 11:14.25 | Gargantua | The most bugfree, then. |
| 11:14.28 | aleksanteri | abrotman, what about the hello world program? ;) |
| 11:14.40 | Gargantua | abchirk, can you think of any off hand? |
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| 11:14.51 | Gargantua | Just so I know what the difference between packages are. |
| 11:14.53 | abrotman | Gargantua: they fixed my lid switch issue .. |
| 11:15.09 | Gargantua | heh |
| 11:15.10 | earthian | abrotman, it does not print anything |
| 11:15.24 | earthian | i.e. killall -s usr1 dd does not do anything to the dd |
| 11:16.11 | abrotman | !rc bugs |
| 11:16.11 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html or http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=lenny |
| 11:16.19 | abrotman | those are just the RC bugs |
| 11:16.35 | Gargantua | Great link. |
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| 11:17.23 | abrotman | some of those are security related .. some are licensing |
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| 11:18.19 | abrotman | Gargantua: how about this .. you try stable .. if you decide the software is too old .. go to lenny .. (but you can't go the other way) |
| 11:18.48 | Gargantua | Nah, I'm low on disk-space and can only get one DVD image :p |
| 11:18.53 | Gargantua | not to mention time. |
| 11:18.59 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 11:18.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 11:19.05 | Gargantua | Can't do netinst. |
| 11:19.08 | abrotman | why not? |
| 11:19.17 | Gargantua | Wireless adapter. |
| 11:19.23 | abrotman | and? |
| 11:19.25 | Gargantua | and I want something I can reuse without internet. |
| 11:19.30 | Gargantua | It requires some drivers. |
| 11:19.34 | abrotman | which drivers? |
| 11:20.54 | Gargantua | It's a netgear MA 101 usb adapter, I used to know what the chipset is called, I forgot. |
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| 11:21.26 | abrotman | !ma101 |
| 11:21.30 | abrotman | oh well |
| 11:21.37 | abrotman | ralink? madwifi? |
| 11:21.44 | mxmx | ugh |
| 11:21.59 | mxmx | why would ioncube loader keep my http stopped? |
| 11:22.33 | xingu | http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=122051532908657&w=2 <-- hope this gets into mainline ;) |
| 11:22.36 | mxmx | *httpd |
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| 11:23.35 | Gargantua | abrotman, think it'll work after I install? that is a main concern for me. |
| 11:23.51 | Gargantua | It worked with ubuntu, but I thought maybe because they used propetiary software or something. |
| 11:24.13 | abrotman | Gargantua: google "ma101 debian driver" .. see what comes back .. we'll tell you how easy/hard it is |
| 11:24.42 | wols | Gargantua: check the USB ID and google that. then you know the wlan chip and know what driver you need and if it even exists |
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| 11:25.49 | wols | Atmel AT76C503A? never knew atmel made wlan chips |
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| 11:26.07 | rahsputin | hi, i get this error message when apt-get installing .... : http://rafb.net/p/gy2uus76.html |
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| 11:26.44 | wols | rahsputin: purge all cups packages and reinstall them |
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| 11:28.12 | abrotman | looks like he can just grab the firmware package from non-free and go to town |
| 11:30.15 | mxmx | has anyone installed iconcube loader 5.2 on debian? |
| 11:30.26 | mxmx | it breaks my httpd when i do |
| 11:30.49 | jelly-home | xingu: next thing you know, software comes in checkpointed 500MB images. |
| 11:32.07 | jelly-home | mxmx: you're using mod_php, php crashes because of crappy binary-only software and therefore apache dies? |
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| 11:32.26 | jelly-home | mxmx: look at apache's error log |
| 11:32.54 | mxmx | ok |
| 11:32.56 | jelly-home | mxmx: also look at ioncube's support matrix |
| 11:35.21 | mxmx | one sec |
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| 11:36.51 | xingu | jelly-home: that's the working set of your average three line perl abomination; what's your point exactly? :) |
| 11:37.25 | xingu | jelly-home: no kidding, I actually _saw_ one of our resident geniusses open-code ... `java ...` the other day. |
| 11:37.42 | mxmx | PHP Fatal error: [ionCube Loader] The Loader must appear as the first entry in the php.ini file in Unknown on line 0 |
| 11:37.56 | mxmx | so it cant go on the bottom? |
| 11:38.15 | abrotman | ask them? |
| 11:38.18 | mxmx | hahah |
| 11:38.37 | abrotman | it's not even in debian |
| 11:38.54 | jelly-home | it's binary only afair, it'll never be in debian |
| 11:39.07 | abrotman | then why is he asking us? |
| 11:39.22 | abrotman | does php work? does apache work? how is this a debian problem? |
| 11:39.28 | mxmx | well i moved it to the top and now site works...... |
| 11:39.33 | jelly-home | because he doesn't know we only support stuff that's in debian |
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| 11:40.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | ahahaha. i just found out lenny+1's name. i see this getting the piss ripped out of it. |
| 11:40.17 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: exqueeze me? |
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| 11:40.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 11:40.49 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: mama's got a squeeze box? |
| 11:41.44 | jelly-home | abrotman: is that like an antistress device? |
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| 11:42.14 | abrotman | xingu: nope .. don't get it |
| 11:42.23 | abrotman | xingu: for the five seconds i took to read it anyways :) |
| 11:43.19 | abrotman | jelly-home: http://goear.com/listenwin.php?v=76e89b7 |
| 11:43.40 | abrotman | jelly-home: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/w/who/squeeze+box_20146597.html |
| 11:44.17 | earthian | does anybody know a good tutorial or a guide of domain names that would let me better understand how to make my machine part of the internet with BIND9 ? |
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| 11:44.47 | abrotman | the bind9-doc package has tons of documentation |
| 11:45.06 | earthian | i see. thanks. I will check :) |
| 11:45.14 | earthian | i hope it will be noobfriendly :) |
| 11:45.18 | abrotman | jelly-home: make more sense now? |
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| 11:47.49 | Gargantua | abrotman, http://atmelwlandriver.sourceforge.net/downloads.html |
| 11:48.08 | Gargantua | apearently I have to recompile the kernel |
| 11:48.25 | abrotman | Gargantua: actaully .. from what i see .. you ocould use just the netinst .. and grab the atmel firmware package from non-free and have wireless |
| 11:48.42 | abrotman | !info atmel-firmware etch |
| 11:48.52 | Gargantua | }Don't worry about netinst right now I am already etting the dvd :P |
| 11:49.06 | abrotman | it still won't have the firmware you need |
| 11:49.13 | abrotman | and you're just wasting your own bandwidth |
| 11:50.00 | jaalto | In gnome, how do I Increase (or decrease) the number of lines/pages scrolled per click of the wheel? Its unbearable slow to scroll 1-3 lines at a time |
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| 11:50.41 | Gargantua | How will using the netinst help this abrotman? |
| 11:50.59 | abrotman | it's only 150MB .. and you don't download 4.7GB of things you may or may not use |
| 11:51.11 | abrotman | thinks jelly-home doesn't like that song |
| 11:51.16 | jelly-home | abrotman: I'm speechless |
| 11:51.20 | abrotman | why? |
| 11:51.25 | xand | hi |
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| 11:51.39 | jelly-home | abrotman: X took away my keyboard focus |
| 11:51.46 | abrotman | heh |
| 11:51.49 | abrotman | hi blondie! |
| 11:51.51 | xand | :P |
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| 11:52.43 | jelly-home | oops |
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| 11:55.15 | jelly-home | abrotman: I'm trying to conjure an interpretation that doesn't involve sex. :-) |
| 11:55.29 | Gargantua | abrotman, so there are non-free repos that contain Atmel packages? |
| 11:55.43 | abrotman | just the firmware |
| 11:55.49 | abrotman | the driver is already in the kernel |
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| 11:56.05 | abrotman | jelly-home: i didn't write it! |
| 11:56.24 | Gargantua | oh |
| 11:56.30 | abrotman | !atmel |
| 11:56.30 | dpkg | Atmel Corporation is a manufacturer of semiconductors. Ask me about <avra> and <arvp> regarding microcontroller interaction. Ask me about <atmel usb devices> and <at76_usb> regarding wireless networking. |
| 11:56.45 | jelly-home | abrotman: who did! |
| 11:56.52 | abrotman | jelly-home: The Who |
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| 11:58.13 | Gargantua | I only need the first DVD, right? |
| 11:58.45 | abrotman | well .. you'll need packages from non-free which don't exist on DVD at all .. so get a usb thumbdrive handy if you can |
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| 11:58.55 | pflanze | Hello. Somehow I can't find the package containing the emacs lisp documentation (info file "elisp"). Anyone knows? |
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| 11:59.33 | Gargantua | abrotman, I mean for installing the system. |
| 11:59.54 | Gargantua | where would I find the nonfree firmware btw? |
| 12:00.04 | abrotman | packages.debian.org |
| 12:00.16 | abrotman | erm |
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| 12:00.22 | abrotman | packages.debian.org/atmel-firmware |
| 12:00.25 | abrotman | you want the one for etch |
| 12:00.36 | Dan6688 | pflanze: You can find quite a few cheatsheets and guides all over the internet. |
| 12:01.01 | abrotman | Gargantua: at least .. it seems that'll drive ypur wifi .. i'm guessing it's kind of old ? |
| 12:01.02 | pflanze | Dan6688: yes, but the emacs info pages are referring to the emacs lisp info page, and I knew I did read that some time ago, |
| 12:01.05 | pflanze | and I really like info files. |
| 12:01.14 | octoserver | what is a good command to check a disk for errors ? |
| 12:01.27 | Dan6688 | plflanze: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs-lisp-intro/html_mono/elisp.html |
| 12:01.27 | Batchy | fsck ? |
| 12:01.40 | pflanze | Dan6688: info files, please |
| 12:01.49 | Dan6688 | pflanze: Maybe ask in #emacs, they might know if something happens in Debian. |
| 12:02.02 | Gargantua | abrotman, I brought it second-hand, so not sure at all. |
| 12:02.14 | jelly-home | they'll likely frown and suggest the user builds its own emacs |
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| 12:02.21 | abrotman | Gargantua: well .. if that doesn't work .. there are other methods! |
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| 12:02.36 | abrotman | Gargantua: including the etchnhalf kernel which may have better support |
| 12:02.50 | jelly-home | pflanze: apt-file search /elisp.info |
| 12:02.57 | Gargantua | Oh, so there's a chance this won't work? |
| 12:03.08 | jelly-home | pflanze: or /msg dpkg find /elisp.info |
| 12:03.46 | jelly-home | !tell pflanze -about search |
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| 12:04.57 | jon_ | after upgrading from etch to lenny, the x server wont start anymore, stating: no screens found. the config hasnt changed though, or might that be the problem ? |
| 12:05.03 | abrotman | Gargantua: of course! .. wifi is a great mystery |
| 12:05.16 | Gargantua | Well, that's just, swell. |
| 12:05.34 | Gargantua | To be honest, it doesn't work quite right with Windows and the offical drivers either, ha. |
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| 12:06.17 | wols | jon_: what video driver? |
| 12:06.29 | pflanze | jelly-home: I usually know how to search. And dpkg's find function isn't working right now as isn't apt-file, and http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=%2Felisp.info&mode=exactfilename&suite=testing&arch=any "gave no results" |
| 12:06.43 | jon_ | wols: fglrx |
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| 12:06.57 | jelly-home | pflanze: so, it's not in debian. |
| 12:06.59 | wols | jon_: let me guess, you downloaded the fglrx installer from ati.com? |
| 12:07.39 | jon_ | wols: i dont quite remember actually |
| 12:07.40 | jelly-home | pflanze: GNU likes to use GFDL for their docs, which is not DFSG compliant |
| 12:07.42 | torrrr | can I stream a file to netcat? |
| 12:07.43 | pflanze | jelly-home: emacs-lisp-intro. No idea why I didn't find it (any combination of emacs, elisp, lisp, doc / info didn't work out) |
| 12:07.51 | abrotman | Gargantua: well .. that's reassuring :) |
| 12:07.51 | torrrr | (so it will send it ) |
| 12:07.52 | wols | jon_: the "no screens found" is not the error btw |
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| 12:08.20 | abrotman | Gargantua: it seems there could be multiple drivers for your card .. that's why i said about other methods |
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| 12:08.37 | pflanze | Also, http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/EmacsLispReference mentions how to get that stuff in Debian. |
| 12:09.08 | jon_ | wols: |
| 12:09.14 | jon_ | argh |
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| 12:09.42 | wols | jon_: dpkg -ol |grep fglrx |
| 12:09.46 | Gargantua | hmm. |
| 12:10.00 | Gargantua | Maybe I should just reinstall ubuntu? :P |
| 12:10.01 | jon_ | changed the driver to ati, now i got spammed by syslogd with kernel errors i think |
| 12:10.07 | wols | Gargantua: there is a binary one from atmel and a GPLed one |
| 12:10.19 | wols | jon_: what videocard? |
| 12:10.35 | jon_ | wols: radeon 9250 |
| 12:10.39 | pflanze | Well, apt searching with the keywords "emacs info" does find it, must have overlooked it because of it's weird package name and title. |
| 12:10.48 | wols | fglrx doesn't work for this card and didn't work for years |
| 12:10.57 | abrotman | Gargantua: that's up to you .. i assume there is a good reason you didn't do that to start with |
| 12:10.58 | wols | jon_: pastbin your Xorg.0.log |
| 12:11.14 | haxi | Do anyone know how I can resolve this dependencies problem (mono) http://pastebin.ca/1196351 ? Thanks. |
| 12:11.18 | jon_ | hope i can do that without any gui :) |
| 12:11.42 | wols | jon_: VESA will work and: /msg dpkg pastewithoutx |
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| 12:13.46 | abrotman | haxi: mixing is bad |
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| 12:14.01 | Akuw | Hi |
| 12:14.13 | Akuw | i have problems to burn a CD ISO |
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| 12:14.33 | Akuw | it begin to burn, but after 1 minute stop and ejecft disk |
| 12:14.48 | haxi | abrotman: You're right. But more chance to get an answer(and a right one). |
| 12:14.51 | Akuw | and tell Burning Fail |
| 12:15.20 | abrotman | haxi: you're pinning? |
| 12:15.24 | Akuw | is there another application to burn ? |
| 12:15.37 | abrotman | Akuw: you didn't even tell us which one you're using |
| 12:16.07 | abrotman | haxi: paste all the ouptput including the command you're tying in and the full output |
| 12:16.22 | abrotman | haxi: and i misread . you're not mixing |
| 12:17.41 | jon_ | wols: http://jon.bpa.nu/~jon/Xorg.0.log |
| 12:17.44 | jon_ | hope thats ok |
| 12:18.11 | abrotman | haxi: did you run aptitude update before installing? |
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| 12:18.59 | abrotman | haxi: hello? |
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| 12:20.09 | haxi | abrotman: yeah sorry. Sure I did update. |
| 12:20.18 | abrotman | haxi: i asked you for other stuff |
| 12:20.27 | abrotman | if you'd rather get help on OFTC .. i'll stop |
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| 12:20.30 | Gargantua | abrotman, I generally have nothing against non-GPL software, but Ubuntu is just not for me. |
| 12:20.44 | abrotman | sounds good! |
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| 12:21.28 | haxi | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1196359 maybe? |
| 12:21.38 | Gargantua | Especially after decidingto switch from the other side of the world -- Slackware |
| 12:21.49 | abrotman | haxi: try using aptitude |
| 12:22.13 | abrotman | Gargantua: how many floppies is that these days? :) |
| 12:22.36 | Gargantua | haha |
| 12:22.39 | Gargantua | 7cdroms. |
| 12:22.40 | haxi | abrotman: aptitude found a 80 score, that looks cool. |
| 12:22.46 | Gargantua | Versus Debian's 21 :P |
| 12:22.58 | abrotman | Gargantua: that's why i told you to use the netinst |
| 12:22.58 | Gargantua | But I'm more of a dvd man. |
| 12:23.25 | Gargantua | The problem is that I simply don't have stable access to the internet. |
| 12:23.41 | abrotman | blames slackware |
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| 12:24.17 | Gargantua | haha |
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| 12:25.46 | jpinx | Gargantua: I have a very wobbly connection but I did a netinstall from the business card .iso and it worked just fine |
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| 12:26.28 | jon_ | wols: or should i pastebin it |
| 12:26.32 | jpinx | the installer appears to be very forgiving of breaks in your connection |
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| 12:33.09 | _sam | hi i have a question. im on a knoppix live cd because i've managed to break my installation. what's the location of my users (called sam) home files? |
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| 12:33.30 | tview | how should I manage my printer? debian lenny keeps reinstalling the "default" printer name. Should I use CUPS or the gnome printer settings gui? |
| 12:33.33 | jon_ | /home/sam/ |
| 12:33.53 | _sam | no im not logged in |
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| 12:34.12 | Akuw | abrotman: i am using gnomeBaker |
| 12:34.12 | _sam | oh right sorry that was really stupid |
| 12:34.13 | _sam | thanks |
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| 12:34.34 | abrotman | Akuw: try brasero |
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| 12:43.57 | wols | jon_: I told you long ago that fglrx doesn't work for your card. se ati or vesa |
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| 12:44.56 | micols | whenever my thin clients extracts a lot of small files onto its network shares it becomes almost unuseable, gkrellm is showing 30-100kB/s , what could be wrong, its only small files and my etablished session to the server via ssh is responsive, but i cannot open new programs on the thinclient's rootfs / from the server (nfsroot) ? |
| 12:45.45 | wols | micols: small fioles cause lots of latency |
| 12:45.57 | micols | its without jumboframes |
| 12:46.01 | micols | but gigabit |
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| 12:46.25 | micols | wols: 64 bytes from mws (192.168.0.2): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.233 ms |
| 12:46.31 | micols | thats server pinging thin client |
| 12:46.44 | jon_ | wols: it worked fine with etch, at least for X and quake3 |
| 12:46.57 | micols | but spawning an xterm on the client takes around 10seconds |
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| 12:47.01 | micols | and normally 0.2s :) |
| 12:47.34 | micols | it is weird as the ssh connection i have etablished to the server before i starting extracting is very responsive. no delay. |
| 12:48.00 | micols | but if i use my nfsroot or any other nfs share it is very very slow |
| 12:49.04 | micols | jon_: whats with X and quake3? |
| 12:49.21 | micols | works fine for me and always has |
| 12:49.34 | jon_ | micols: nothing anymore, as my X refuses to start since updating to lenny |
| 12:49.41 | jon_ | used to work fine on etch |
| 12:50.01 | micols | hehe jon_ , second trouble ive heard in two days with upgrade to lenny |
| 12:50.09 | micols | im glad i got etch on all my systems |
| 12:50.20 | micols | workstation,thinclient,servers,laptop,mediacenter :) |
| 12:50.42 | micols | then i just have to compile everything like gimp and openoffice |
| 12:50.44 | micols | :( |
| 12:50.50 | micols | fortunately openoffice is in backports |
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| 12:51.12 | jon_ | wargh yeah, should have never touched it |
| 12:51.30 | micols | jon_: it is normally painless if you got a debian baseinstall, then nothing can go wrong :P |
| 12:51.41 | micols | but if you got lots of programs installed for a while you may have trouble, at least i had a few times. |
| 12:52.00 | tview | jon_: some debian maintainers have screwed up lenny to make it hard to use various drivers other than the free one. |
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| 12:52.02 | ilf | beginning yesterday, my Xorg randomly froze a few times with no way to kill it but reboot. anyone else experience this? (sid) |
| 12:52.03 | micols | upgrading to testing fully around 10 times, had problems 3 of them i guess |
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| 12:52.38 | micols | but more trouble downgrading again when you find out you really dont need testing :) |
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| 12:52.50 | mlLK | is there a debian command in the likes of uname? |
| 12:52.51 | micols | libc6 and apt and stuff :) |
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| 12:53.25 | OBcecado | mlLK: what's wrong with uname ? |
| 12:54.08 | jon_ | micols: next time i'll think of that before installing everything.. i just thought it would be nice to have some tools in an updated version and nothing could go wrong :/ |
| 12:54.49 | mlLK | OBcecado, nothing; just looking for something thats more distroy ;) |
| 12:54.52 | mlLK | lsb_release |
| 12:54.53 | micols | jon_: hehe you start with one program but soon you forget to make a preferences file or add # in sources :) |
| 12:55.09 | micols | apt pinning file even |
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| 12:55.34 | micols | but i have been pinning for a while without much trouble |
| 12:55.43 | jon_ | tview: that sounds interesting, thanks |
| 12:55.53 | micols | its first when you really start mixing without pinning file, or upgrade a complex system things can go wrong |
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| 12:56.10 | micols | or with new releases :( |
| 12:56.16 | Internat | mlLK: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:56.19 | jon_ | yeah apparently |
| 12:56.28 | jon_ | i must admit i dont know what pinning is, though |
| 12:56.31 | jon_ | gotta read up on that.. |
| 12:56.39 | jon_ | but first, i must fix my damn X |
| 12:56.47 | micols | i was upgrading sarge testing to lenny, that wasnt troublefree |
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| 12:57.08 | xand | sarge testing? |
| 12:57.10 | mlLK | weird |
| 12:57.14 | mlLK | Internat, weird |
| 12:57.24 | mlLK | lenny/sid ? |
| 12:57.30 | Internat | etch |
| 12:57.39 | mlLK | lsb_release -a ; was what i was looking for. |
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| 12:57.46 | mlLK | wtf is lenny? |
| 12:57.57 | Internat | lenny = testing |
| 12:58.01 | mlLK | oh ok |
| 12:58.04 | Internat | the soon to be stable branch *fingers crossed* |
| 12:58.30 | mlLK | is there some sorta stable standard at debian? or who enforces that? |
| 12:58.39 | micols | im sure, if they remove gnome from the repository :) |
| 12:58.42 | Internat | stable currently is etch |
| 12:58.52 | mlLK | whats etch |
| 12:58.55 | azeem | stable |
| 12:58.57 | mlLK | k |
| 12:58.58 | Internat | a releasename :) |
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| 12:59.03 | micols | yes sarge testing was a misnaming |
| 12:59.14 | micols | i ment "old" testing to current testing :) |
| 12:59.28 | mlLK | kk |
| 12:59.34 | Internat | etch is 4.0, lenny is 5.0 |
| 12:59.36 | mlLK | so etch is current |
| 12:59.41 | Internat | yes |
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| 12:59.49 | mlLK | etch is gusty? |
| 12:59.51 | Internat | and its the stable branch. |
| 12:59.52 | micols | woody,sarge,etch all stable debian releases |
| 12:59.52 | Internat | no |
| 12:59.57 | Internat | gusts = ubuntu |
| 13:00.03 | Internat | ubuntu != debian |
| 13:00.05 | azeem | mlLK: consider reading www.debian.org or so |
| 13:00.08 | mlLK | is gusty a subtree of etch |
| 13:00.16 | mlLK | kkkkk |
| 13:00.21 | Internat | !basedondebian |
| 13:00.27 | Internat | !based on debian |
| 13:00.27 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 13:00.34 | mlLK | ok; how about this |
| 13:02.11 | mlLK | if ubuntu *was* debian then what is debian w/o ubuntu? |
| 13:02.11 | micols | i dont get people using ubuntu for servers, it see it all the time , but everyone their religion, heck some even run suse :) |
| 13:02.11 | mlLK | no gnome? |
| 13:02.11 | azeem | mlLK: please keep it on topic |
| 13:02.13 | mlLK | sry |
| 13:02.18 | azeem | mlLK: this is a Debian support channel |
| 13:04.52 | wintix | i would like to have libapache-mod-php4 and -php5 installed at the same time, however apt-get wants to remove -php4 if i am trying to install -php5. is there a way to force installation of both or to ignore the dependencies? if there is no way, is there a sane way to have php4 and php5 on an apache1.3 ? i am stuck at the point of installing both packages |
| 13:05.10 | wintix | (i am still on etch) |
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| 13:07.05 | jpinx | wintix: I think it's not possible. But why do that when PHP5 does everything that PHP4 did? |
| 13:07.17 | micols | http://rafb.net/p/4XrN0i12.html any ideas to fix this vmware install problem , i got virtualisation on in kernel CONFIG_VIRTUALIZATION=y ? |
| 13:07.17 | AcTiVaTe | wintix: One of them will have to be run as FastCGI |
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| 13:07.42 | wintix | jpinx: does php5 have full backward compatibility to php4? |
| 13:07.46 | AcTiVaTe | wintix: AFAIK no way to use mod_ for both |
| 13:08.02 | wintix | AcTiVaTe: ok, will have a look at the cgi way. thank you :) |
| 13:08.05 | jpinx | wintix: AFAIK yes - but rtfm |
| 13:08.13 | wintix | jpinx: ok, thanks |
| 13:08.20 | slidesinger_lt | I am curious, when you install linux-image-686, this package consistently adds the most current version of the linux image, but if you try to install linux-source-2.6, the same does not hold true. This would seem to be an inconsistency, does anyone know the reason for this? |
| 13:08.53 | slidesinger_lt | Sorry, that shoud read linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 13:11.00 | stew | slidesinger_lt: becuase no such source package exists. if you think it should, file a wishlist bug against the linux-2.6 source package |
| 13:11.46 | slidesinger_lt | Thanks. |
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| 13:13.54 | mlLK | does debian make sense as a web-server? |
| 13:14.04 | abrotman | why wouldn't it? |
| 13:14.28 | mlLK | what would it? |
| 13:14.30 | mlLK | why* |
| 13:14.48 | jpinx | mlLK:Debian is "the" webserver - stable and reliable :) |
| 13:14.58 | mlLK | can you integrate package management into the webserver? |
| 13:15.18 | John0321 | can someone quicky check my syntax on this shell script, http://pastebin.com/m17d5e23c ive spent the last hour trying to figure out why, its the last if needs checking |
| 13:15.20 | mlLK | to me debian == package management to the extreme |
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| 13:15.56 | jpinx | mlLK: package management is a good thing for webservers IMO |
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| 13:16.27 | abrotman | John0321: what's wrong with it ? |
| 13:16.50 | John0321 | 13: Syntax error: "(" unexpected expecting "then") ?? :( |
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| 13:16.54 | abrotman | John0321: and i suspect you want #bash |
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| 13:17.13 | John0321 | but this is simple, its my first bash script and help quickly? :/ |
| 13:17.18 | abrotman | and your dpkg -l line .. isn't really a great plan .. you could still grep it even if it's not installed |
| 13:17.35 | John0321 | ive checked it abrotman seems ok for what i want it for |
| 13:17.41 | abrotman | i'll show you |
| 13:18.04 | abrotman | $ dpkg -l | grep "xmms " |
| 13:18.04 | abrotman | rc xmms 1:1.2.10+20070601-1+b1 Versatile X audio player |
| 13:18.09 | abrotman | that's not installed |
| 13:18.19 | dvs | it's also deprecated |
| 13:18.37 | abrotman | yeah .. NFC why i didn't purge it |
| 13:18.38 | mlLK | how come hardy is using lenny when it's not even stable? |
| 13:18.39 | John0321 | i see. im only doing this for a small select of packages pidgin, mozilla etc. so should be fine |
| 13:18.41 | abrotman | maybe i'm holding out hope! |
| 13:18.46 | abrotman | mlLK: ask them .. not us |
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| 13:19.16 | jpinx | mlLK: for questions about Ubuntu - please use #ubuntu |
| 13:20.01 | abrotman | John0321: if i were you .. i'd really ask #bash .. i can see a few places where what you're doing is usable .. but there are better ways |
| 13:20.15 | John0321 | abrotman, am now. :) |
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| 13:24.17 | dextervip | Any freelancer here?with free time now? |
| 13:25.01 | abrotman | freelancer? |
| 13:25.01 | rahul | try rent-a-coder or elance |
| 13:25.04 | mlLK | whats the preferred x desktop manager for debian? |
| 13:25.09 | rahul | mlLK: none |
| 13:25.15 | mlLK | gasps |
| 13:25.16 | rahul | mlLK: preferred by whom? |
| 13:25.17 | dvs | mlLK: the one I use. ;-) |
| 13:26.10 | simonrvn | which are that way --> |
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| 13:27.06 | dextervip | i just have one problem and i cant solve it...i would pay anyone to solve it |
| 13:27.13 | werwolf | what's the mine difference between KDE and Gnome? |
| 13:27.18 | werwolf | please |
| 13:27.26 | mlLK | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_Window_System_desktop_environments#Outer_view_of_different_classes_of_desktop_environments |
| 13:27.36 | abrotman | dextervip: what is the problem? |
| 13:28.01 | abrotman | !xwinman |
| 13:28.01 | dpkg | somebody said xwinman was probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 13:28.12 | dextervip | this script just dont wanna open the application http://pastebin.centos.org/22016 |
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| 13:28.14 | simonrvn | just fucking ask the question you have |
| 13:29.21 | jon__ | having just upgraded to lenny, which somehow fucked up my x-server, would i just change lenny/testing back to etch/stable in my sources.list to downgrade again ? |
| 13:29.21 | rahul | use start-stop-daemon, ffs |
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| 13:29.38 | rahul | dextervip: debian already comes with tools to solve your problem |
| 13:29.57 | dextervip | I'm using a VPS with centos 5 |
| 13:30.01 | rahul | dextervip: have you considered looking at the init scripts already there? there is even a skeleton one where you just need to fill in some blanks |
| 13:30.04 | rahul | idiot |
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| 13:30.20 | stew | rahul: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 13:30.30 | stew | jon__: there is no downgrade support: /msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 13:31.08 | hoxu | Is there a way to prevent my terminal from recognizing unicode spaces (altgr+space)? |
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| 13:31.50 | dextervip | the script return value "0" which should turn on the application but just dont happen nothing |
| 13:31.50 | jon__ | stew: thanks |
| 13:31.50 | wols | jon__: why didn't you do what I told you? |
| 13:32.21 | wols | jon__: it never worked with etch. fglrx hasn't worked for ati9250 since 2006 or so |
| 13:32.28 | jon__ | wols: using the normal ati driver also fails |
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| 13:32.53 | wols | jon__: the error is different tho. and it IS the right driver. show us the log for ati |
| 13:33.23 | wols | jon__: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg then run X and paste the log |
| 13:33.27 | abrotman | dextervip: you probably want #bash |
| 13:34.37 | dextervip | what should i do? |
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| 13:36.58 | TuxCrafter | what is the best way in debian to make sure new directory's are created with 771 and files with 660 mode. I now i can manually change the bash_profile but i would like the change the skeleton for so adduser directly uses the correct permissions |
| 13:37.16 | TuxCrafter | s/now/know/ |
| 13:38.13 | TuxCrafter | should i just change the umask in /etc/skel/.profile ? |
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| 13:39.54 | hoxu | TuxCrafter, yes, or you could set umask in /etc/bash.bashrc I think, but then it shouldn't be set in skel / user's bashrc |
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| 13:40.22 | jon__ | wols: sry, the screen went black and i couldnt get back to any console.. i a link to the log ok or should i try pasting it this time |
| 13:40.29 | jon__ | *is |
| 13:40.41 | TuxCrafter | hoxu: just needed to be sure be because its a production machine |
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| 13:41.20 | hoxu | TuxCrafter, don't *want* to be sure, just be sure by testing it yourself :p |
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| 13:42.00 | wols | jon__: a link |
| 13:42.01 | TuxCrafter | hoxu: naturally i will do the testing |
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| 13:43.33 | hoxu | TuxCrafter, note that if you modify skel you can't change the umasks later on without digging through all bashrc's of users |
| 13:43.59 | TuxCrafter | hoxu: jups i now i have to do a lot of digging now |
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| 13:45.02 | stew | TuxCrafter: why not use /etc/environment ? |
| 13:45.22 | TuxCrafter | hoxu: is it recommended to use umask 0007 or umask 007 |
| 13:45.39 | stew | TuxCrafter: 0007 and 007 have the same meaning |
| 13:45.59 | jon__ | wols: http://jon.bpa.nu/~jon/Xorg.0.log |
| 13:46.04 | stew | TuxCrafter: /etc/profile is another place you could do this |
| 13:46.38 | jon__ | wols: what happens is the screen turning black, the pcspeaker beeping ~4 times, then the screen gets spammed with syslog messages á la kernel: .... |
| 13:46.56 | hoxu | stew, when is /etc/environment used? |
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| 13:47.42 | stew | hoxu: when one logs in. its read by /etc/pam.d/login or /etc/pam.d/ssh or |
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| 13:48.59 | stew | hoxu: so, aiui, if you were to "ssh remotehost somecommand" then /etc/environment would affect that command, but /etc/profile wouldn't, becuase in that case a shell isn't started (and the shell is what reads /etc/profile) |
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| 13:49.28 | hoxu | good point |
| 13:50.14 | stew | grep env /etc/pam.d/* |
| 13:51.13 | TuxCrafter | stew: what about the libpam-umask package |
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| 13:51.31 | TuxCrafter | i got a big multiuser ssh system |
| 13:51.56 | TuxCrafter | they also use sshfs |
| 13:53.32 | stew | TuxCrafter: i'm not familiar with that module, but it appears to do what you want |
| 13:54.15 | TuxCrafter | to many ways to control umasks... |
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| 14:00.33 | TuxCrafter | sees the sshfs does not uses the .profile umask it currently uses the local umask of the client |
| 14:00.46 | TuxCrafter | is going to check out libpam-umask |
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| 14:09.26 | tview | I have shared a folder using the admin interface under gnome (nfs). When i try to connect it says "permission denied". I have allowed that host in the settings. Where do I go from here? Does the client mount the full share name e.g development:/media/multimedia or just the last part e.g development:multimedia ? |
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| 14:15.21 | ZILP | dont I have to be out of x in order to do an upgrade from etch to lenny ? |
| 14:15.29 | ZILP | alt ctrl f1 |
| 14:15.34 | stew | ZILP: no, you don't |
| 14:15.36 | bring2towels | hey what license does Debian use? are all the packages under different licenses, or is there one main one? im interested specifically about the man pages |
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| 14:15.57 | odman | hi |
| 14:16.04 | stew | bring2towels: many different licenses. the licenses for a given package are always contained in /usr/share/doc/packagename/copyright |
| 14:16.10 | odman | how can I change the system language in debian etch ? |
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| 14:16.27 | odman | or install other languages . . . |
| 14:16.42 | ZILP | i think I may have done some pinning before will this cause any problems with an upgrade from etch to lenny |
| 14:16.58 | ZILP | how do I check if Im pinning ? |
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| 14:17.13 | stew | ZILP: it could. check /etc/apt/preferences |
| 14:17.48 | ZILP | thanx |
| 14:17.52 | bring2towels | stew, thanks :) |
| 14:18.06 | ZILP | if I do the upgrade is it going to screw with my dul boot ? |
| 14:18.25 | Hoxzer | I'm getting following error when trying to boot from a IDE hard drive: "ldm_validate_partition_table(): Disk Read failed" I have tried to delete all partitions on that disk -> rewrite partition table -> reinstall linux. none of these actions have helped |
| 14:18.38 | Hoxzer | Debian testing. I tried to install |
| 14:18.44 | wols | ZILP: it won't |
| 14:18.49 | jpinx | ZILP: it won't touch your other OS's |
| 14:19.28 | bring2towels | stew, any idea if there is a summary of the GPL for non-lawyers? |
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| 14:19.32 | ZILP | great if it goes wrong I can fall back on xp. i dont feel quite as hesitant now |
| 14:20.01 | jpinx | ZILP: read the release notes and do a full update and upgrade before you start |
| 14:20.17 | TuxCrafter | stew: going to add the umask to /etc/environment cant get my head around /etc/security/pam_env.conf and /etc/pam.d/sshd |
| 14:21.09 | ZILP | jpinx apt dist upgrade before i do the update ? |
| 14:21.29 | stew | bring2towels: probably. i don't know of one off the top of my head though |
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| 14:21.48 | stew | jpinx: are there release notes already? |
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| 14:22.07 | bring2towels | stew, its okay i think there are some on the GNU site, just have to figure out if wget is under GPLv1 or v3 now |
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| 14:23.11 | stew | bring2towels: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/w/wget/wget_1.11.4-1/wget.copyright |
| 14:23.27 | TuxCrafter | stew: the umask does not seem to work |
| 14:23.30 | stew | bring2towels: gpl v3 with an exception for openssl |
| 14:23.31 | TuxCrafter | for sshfs |
| 14:23.49 | odman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.04 | stew | TuxCrafter: there might be no way to enforce a umask for sshfs on the server side |
| 14:24.12 | stew | odman: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:24.13 | bring2towels | stew, hmm okay thanks, i just want to use the wget man pages |
| 14:25.01 | odman | thanks stew |
| 14:25.12 | jpinx | stew: not for lenny - it's not released yet;) |
| 14:25.30 | jpinx | maybe rtfm would have been more explicit |
| 14:25.57 | stew | bring2towels: actually wget's manpage seems to be GFDL, which means its time to file a bug on wget |
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| 14:26.38 | jpinx | stew: but dpkg does refer to lenny release notes |
| 14:26.42 | sly007 | sylvain@sd-13641:~$ ps aux | less |
| 14:26.42 | sly007 | -bash:  less: command not found |
| 14:26.42 | sly007 | sylvain@sd-13641:~$ less |
| 14:26.48 | sly007 | Missing filename ("less --help" for help) |
| 14:26.52 | sly007 | How is this possible??? |
| 14:27.17 | Batchy | non breakable space strike again ! |
| 14:27.18 | ZILP | ive done some reading on upgrading from etch to lenny and they all say do alt ctrl f1 ? |
| 14:27.32 | stew | sly007: please don't paste in here. i'm guessing that you just installed less, and bash is confused. if you start a new bash it will probably go away |
| 14:27.37 | stew | ZILP: where did you read that? |
| 14:27.48 | sly007 | stew: i didn't |
| 14:27.59 | ZILP | on some debian forums |
| 14:27.59 | sly007 | stew: i just moved from etch to sid |
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| 14:28.40 | Batchy | sly007 : did you hit alt+space instead of space after the | ? |
| 14:28.42 | stew | ZILP: i don't believe it is necessary |
| 14:28.57 | bring2towels | stew, well please feel free, that is quite beyond what i know how to do :O |
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| 14:31.02 | scifi | that worked a treat, so much faster :D |
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| 14:31.20 | hero100era | Do any body help me? I have tried fetchmail to got mails in Gmail. here are the massage:fetchmail: No mail for eros.wang at pop.gmail.com |
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| 14:31.50 | JPT | did you activate pop in your gmail account ? |
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| 14:31.57 | hero100era | fetchmail: normal termination, status 1 |
| 14:32.14 | hero100era | but I do have to mails in my gmail box. |
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| 14:32.26 | hero100era | Why the fetchmail can't get it? |
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| 14:32.48 | hero100era | I have sent two test mails to my gmail box |
| 14:33.35 | seriouslycgi | does anyone have any experience in getting a webcam to work with vloopback to use effectv or something similar (i have them installed but i dont know how to start it or configure it |
| 14:33.36 | bring2towels | hero100era, you have to enable ssl or something for gmail pop iirc |
| 14:34.04 | hero100era | how to enable it for fetchmail? |
| 14:34.32 | hero100era | I have ssl in my .fetchmailrc |
| 14:36.11 | hero100era | and also sslcertck in .fetchmailrc |
| 14:36.22 | bring2towels | sorry no clue, have you checked the gmail pop3 documentation? im not 100% sure ssl is the right term |
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| 14:36.57 | hero100era | thanks any how. |
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| 14:39.56 | ttl- | greetings |
| 14:40.06 | pierre_ | hi ! |
| 14:40.17 | pierre_ | I have an usb mouse which work well on ubuntu but not on debian : the mouse X and Y mouse axis correspond both to Y "screer" axis. Does anyone know how to debug this please ? |
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| 14:44.03 | ttl- | I'm using lenny and since i've upgraded to kernel 2.6.26-1-686 in 50% of the cases the soundcard is not working in gnome and sound playback is than heard as a crackling noise coming out the the pc speaker |
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| 14:45.03 | tview | ttl-: I get that when flash video starts. Sucks doesn't it? really annoying. After the initial crackle it works fine until flash next crashes and takes firefox with it of course. |
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| 14:47.20 | ttl- | tview: for me sound is not working after bootup, doing a warm reboot cures the problem in most cases until next occurrence... |
| 14:47.32 | tview | hero100era: consider "getmail". I use it fine with lenny on my mailserver. |
| 14:47.56 | ttl- | tview: but when it is working it keeps working as far as i know |
| 14:48.50 | tview | ttl-: I wish you luck. Really. Half the time it takes hours or even days before anyone will even acknowledge there is a problem. Part of the issue is that so few people use debian at home that there is very little real QA done on many of the multimedia features and it can take a long time before even the most common audio components are tested with a release. You may be in that boat. |
| 14:49.00 | hero100era | I just want to know why fetchmail doesn't work for gmail. May be later I will try to use getmail. |
| 14:49.07 | ttl- | tview: not completely the same problem but it might be related, dunno, that's why i'm coming here :) |
| 14:49.27 | tview | hero100era: could one of a million issues. I can only confirm that getmail "works for me" with gmail. |
| 14:49.36 | ttl- | tview: i wish you good luck too! |
| 14:49.52 | stew | ttl-: does unloading and reloading the driver help? |
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| 14:50.15 | stew | ttl-: or rerunning alsaconf (which would have same effect) |
| 14:50.21 | ttl- | stew: one sec, i first have to figure out which driver |
| 14:50.42 | stew | ttl-: if you just run alsaconf, it will figure it out for you (since it unloads every alsa driver) |
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| 14:51.01 | ttl- | stew: ok |
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| 14:51.54 | stew | actually '/etc/init.d/alsa-utils force-reload' would probably have the same effect |
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| 14:53.45 | ttl- | stew: running alsaconf unloaded/reloaded the drivers and sound is working now |
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| 14:55.15 | aleex | anyone interested in a hp b2600 (500mhz parisc, 1,5gb ram, 2x sca scsi) (19", 2U) |
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| 14:57.33 | tview | ttl-: find out which logfile to check after boot and see what happens at boot to suppress sound. probably the wrong driver being force loaded. stew will know :-; |
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| 14:59.47 | stew | ttl-: capture the output of 'lsmod' from both when sound is working and when sound isn't working, and compare the results. |
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| 15:12.25 | ttl- | stew: ok i will, first i try to regenerate the problem with force-reloading alsa-utils |
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| 15:15.08 | ttl- | stew: force reloading seems to work every time |
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| 15:16.04 | ttl- | stew: i save the output of lsmod, going to reboot a few times to see the difference in loaded modules |
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| 15:16.08 | ttl- | brb |
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| 15:16.44 | varlon | hi, can I hope, that google chrome will be in debian? |
| 15:17.09 | LadyNikon | varlon: you try running it in wine |
| 15:17.11 | LadyNikon | ? |
| 15:17.39 | asg | varlon: when the linux version is released and usable in about a month or so, I expect it will arrive in sid shortly thereafter. |
| 15:18.03 | varlon | ok, thanks. that what I want to know :-) |
| 15:18.32 | asg | it will most likely not be included in the next stable release, however. |
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| 15:19.08 | varlon | I understand, because Lenny was freezen |
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| 15:20.27 | varlon | but I'm web developer, and I need it in my system. wine - is temporary dicision |
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| 15:22.26 | asg | varlon: you should also be able to install the native linux version in /opt when it's released since it appears that they will be shipping it bundled with the needed libraries and not use existing system ones. |
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| 15:24.00 | Kevin` | how do I install the same packages as are installed on another system? |
| 15:24.21 | asg | Kevin`: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 15:26.03 | varlon | asg, LadyNikon, thanks :-) |
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| 15:26.08 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 15:27.07 | nkuttler | is there a command line tool that sorts by line length? |
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| 15:29.03 | asg | nkuttler: you could probably cobble one together with a for loop, wc, and sort |
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| 15:30.15 | nkuttler | asg: hm, that sounds messy. i'll use some clean perl code i guess |
| 15:31.34 | asg | nkuttler: whatever works for you |
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| 15:35.37 | ttl- | stew: i found that one module extra is loaded when the sound is not working snd_pcsp |
| 15:36.03 | ttl- | stew: no other changes |
| 15:36.16 | simonrvn | snd_pcsp isn't supposed to be loaded if you have a sound card |
| 15:36.43 | ttl- | stew: snd_pcsp is for the pc speaker i guess |
| 15:36.48 | ttl- | simonrvn: yes |
| 15:36.55 | simonrvn | yes, and only that |
| 15:37.14 | ttl- | simonrvn: but sometimes i gets loaded and i don't have sound |
| 15:37.27 | ttl- | it* |
| 15:37.31 | simonrvn | yes... |
| 15:38.41 | ttl- | simonrvn: dunno why but never had troubles before, it started when i upgraded to kernel 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 15:39.09 | simonrvn | it's new in .26 iirc, that driver |
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| 15:39.47 | simonrvn | suggests reading the help for it in make fooconfig |
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| 15:40.13 | swirl_red | hi |
| 15:40.23 | stew | ttl-: yes, snd-pcsp is something new, its to use alsa to simulate a pc speaker, you may want to try to blacklist that module: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 15:41.11 | ttl- | stew: thanks try to blacklist the module |
| 15:41.27 | swirl_red | how to install pdf print in debian |
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| 15:41.51 | simonrvn | swirl_red: printing to pdf? |
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| 15:48.57 | jaalto | octoserver: see fsck(1) and smartmontools => smartctl(1) |
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| 15:52.01 | zomg | Hey - We did a dist-upgrade from Debian 3.1 to 4.0, and postfix no longer accepts any logins. Would the dist-upgrade have changed something in the configuration or something which could've broken it? |
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| 15:53.04 | zomg | I'm really not very familiar with postfix/imapd/pop3d so I'm out of ideas... mail.log doesn't show anything peculiar |
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| 15:53.30 | hoxu | zomg, do you get anything in other logs (try "ls -lrt /var/log" after a failed login)? |
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| 15:55.04 | zomg | hoxu: I'll check |
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| 15:56.00 | TuxCrafter | stew: i have been trying to get the umask right but i now dont have any controll of it anymore |
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| 15:56.35 | TuxCrafter | the umask permissions are different on terminal and thunar filemanager |
| 15:56.38 | zomg | hoxu: nope, not getting anything |
| 15:56.43 | TuxCrafter | if i create the same file on the same place |
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| 15:57.25 | TuxCrafter | stew: i keep ending up with drwxr-x--- |
| 15:57.46 | TuxCrafter | while i want drwxrwx--- |
| 15:57.58 | TuxCrafter | umaks 007 should fix this ... |
| 15:58.14 | TuxCrafter | so i set this in: |
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| 15:59.17 | TuxCrafter | .profile |
| 15:59.17 | TuxCrafter | /etc/profile |
| 15:59.17 | TuxCrafter | /etc/skel/.profile |
| 15:59.31 | werwolf | how can I unlock Opera please? :'( |
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| 15:59.49 | werwolf | there is a file lock in the ~/.opera |
| 15:59.51 | hoxu | werwolf, opera is not in debian, so not supported here, plus I don't understand your question |
| 16:00.03 | hoxu | werwolf, so remove it? |
| 16:00.12 | werwolf | it will be recreated :( |
| 16:00.12 | zomg | hoxu: I just realized that /sending/ mail works just fine |
| 16:00.18 | zomg | this is confusing :P |
| 16:00.24 | hoxu | TuxCrafter, I pointed out earlier that your users' bashrc/whatever must not contain umask command, did you check for that? |
| 16:00.24 | werwolf | hoxu: please help me, if you can |
| 16:00.39 | hoxu | zomg, you could check the bts too, if there are any known upgrade issues |
| 16:00.54 | TuxCrafter | cat .bashrc | grep umask |
| 16:00.54 | TuxCrafter | is empty |
| 16:00.57 | TuxCrafter | i did check it |
| 16:01.08 | hoxu | werwolf, try starting opera from terminal and see if you get any errors |
| 16:01.08 | TuxCrafter | ^ at hoxu |
| 16:01.32 | werwolf | ok :) |
| 16:01.51 | zomg | hoxu: unable to find anything really |
| 16:01.53 | hoxu | TuxCrafter, well, it's set somewhere, man 1 bash and see the FILES section for tips |
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| 16:02.33 | TuxCrafter | hoxu: when i use the terminal to mkdir the permissions are fine |
| 16:02.39 | zomg | I've been trying random google searches too but to no avail |
| 16:02.42 | TuxCrafter | but when i use thunar it is not |
| 16:03.03 | TuxCrafter | and when i use env there is no umask? |
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| 16:04.41 | werwolf | ld.so object from libjvm.so can not be preloaded :( |
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| 16:05.28 | werwolf | another opera innstallation uses the same configuration directory |
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| 16:05.46 | ttl- | simonrvn & stew: i've found that just unloading the snd_pcsp solves the problem |
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| 16:06.49 | zomg | hoxu: ah, figures... didn't have courier-authlib-mysql... tis kinda annoying that dist-upgrade conveniently forgets that I had mysql installed =) |
| 16:08.07 | zomg | thanks |
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| 16:13.34 | werwolf | hoxu: I get this: ERROR: ld.so: object ?libjvm.so? from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 16:13.34 | werwolf | ERROR: ld.so: object ?libawt.so? from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
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| 16:15.57 | TuxCrafter | rebooting |
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| 16:18.55 | hoxu | werwolf, opera is not supported here; either try another deb they provide, or ask them |
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| 16:20.44 | rm___ | having used opera for versions from 3.5 to 9.5 recently switched to Firefox 3, and with no regrets |
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| 16:21.09 | RichiH | you should try konqueror :) |
| 16:21.10 | jpin1 | what's a good temperature reader - I'm getting random power-off's:( |
| 16:21.35 | RichiH | jpin1: as a quickfix, open the case & put a fan near it |
| 16:21.53 | abrotman | werwolf: FWIW . i use the static opera with no issues |
| 16:22.01 | jpin1 | RichiH: did that with some success |
| 16:22.11 | RichiH | k |
| 16:22.24 | jpin1 | but there must be something a bit more exact? |
| 16:22.29 | werwolf | abrotman: is it better to use static builds, right? |
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| 16:23.10 | jpin1 | cleaned the fan and cooling fins, need to monitor the actual temp on the CPU |
| 16:24.23 | abrotman | werwolf: for me it is .. i don't use kde .. so it would have to pull in a bunch of Qt things to make it run |
| 16:25.19 | RichiH | jpin1: there are laser temp meters |
| 16:25.30 | RichiH | they are pretty goob and spot-on |
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| 16:25.40 | RichiH | and they can't short anything |
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| 16:26.29 | js_ | jpin1: lm-sensors |
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| 16:29.09 | werwolf | abrotman: what have I to do the menu font in opera is very small - like 6px |
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| 16:29.35 | abrotman | no idea .. ask #opera on irc.opera.com |
| 16:29.39 | jpin1 | js_: got it - thanks |
| 16:30.38 | werwolf | they banned me :( |
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| 16:31.24 | abrotman | werwolf: well .. opera really isn't supported here |
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| 16:32.56 | cahoot | http://operawiki.info/WebDevToolbar ? |
| 16:33.34 | cahoot | or whatever google can turn up |
| 16:33.36 | jpinx | js_: installed it, but nothing happens when I invoke it |
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| 16:33.41 | mns_ | wow its quiet in here ! |
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| 16:33.48 | mns_ | oops .. wrong window. |
| 16:33.51 | ma3x | why modprobe -r module sometimes gets stuck |
| 16:33.59 | ma3x | and i can't even reboot |
| 16:34.02 | Theoden | jpinx: Did you invoke it in a terminal? |
| 16:34.17 | ma3x | i got some ipw3945/iwl3945 errors in dmesg and then i couldn't remove the module |
| 16:34.19 | ma3x | how do i remove it? |
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| 16:35.11 | jpinx | Theoden: yes - tried with sudo too, but nothing |
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| 16:35.46 | Theoden | No error messages - n othing? |
| 16:35.57 | D3B14N | jpinx; first do a sudo sensors-detect |
| 16:36.00 | dmoerner | ma3x: thats probably a kernel panic. try it from a tty to get the backstrace |
| 16:36.27 | D3B14N | jpinx; say yes to all questions, reboot and you are done. |
| 16:36.36 | ma3x | dmoerner: what do you usually do when this kernel panic occurs? reboot? |
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| 16:37.13 | jpinx | D3B14N: thanks - just been reading that . |
| 16:37.20 | D3B14N | jpinx; np |
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| 16:37.55 | Theoden | jpinx: Good luck. |
| 16:38.09 | dmoerner | ma3x: swear and then reboot |
| 16:38.17 | D3B14N | lol |
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| 16:46.27 | jpinx | did sensor-detect and rebooted, but still no response to lm-sensors |
| 16:46.44 | jpinx | or is there some other command to get some results? |
| 16:47.24 | D3B14N | jpinx; type sensors in terminal |
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| 16:48.11 | jpinx | cool - toasty in there :) |
| 16:48.16 | D3B14N | hehe |
| 16:48.31 | D3B14N | I'm using gkrellm as gui for sensors |
| 16:48.51 | jpinx | is that a gnome thing? |
| 16:48.57 | D3B14N | jpinx; yes |
| 16:49.04 | jpinx | cool |
| 16:49.11 | jpinx | goes for another apt-get |
| 16:49.17 | nachos | anyone here a Eterm user |
| 16:49.18 | D3B14N | lol |
| 16:49.34 | abrotman | nachos: ask a real question |
| 16:50.08 | jpinx | that's another 2Mbs used :/ |
| 16:50.14 | nachos | ... Im getting artifacts instead of the proper chars when using Eterm. |
| 16:50.27 | nachos | when i try the same stuff with xterm there is no problem. |
| 16:50.29 | D3B14N | jpinx; you got download limit ? |
| 16:50.36 | nachos | im talking about simple stuff like pulling up manpages. |
| 16:50.55 | jpinx | nope - but like to keep my system slim |
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| 16:51.24 | jpinx | I can always purge it if I don't reckon to need it |
| 16:51.35 | Anonymous14U | I've searched but haven't found what I'm looking for... what packages have the header files for openssl and pam |
| 16:51.51 | abrotman | Anonymous14U: libssl-dev .. libpam-dev ? |
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| 16:52.38 | jpinx | D3B14N: where does it come up in teh gnome menus? |
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| 16:53.03 | Anonymous14U | hrmph, I have those... :\ ... by chance, abrotman, have you ever installed xrdp before? I seem to be missing a package or two |
| 16:53.06 | abrotman | Anonymous14U: hint .. apt-cache --search -dev <foo> .. where <foo> would be pam or ssl |
| 16:53.06 | D3B14N | jpinx; it doesnt, make a custom link , command is gkrellm |
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| 16:53.15 | jpinx | ah - ok |
| 16:53.19 | abrotman | Anonymous14U: it's already packaged in debian |
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| 16:53.27 | abrotman | !info xrdp lenny |
| 16:53.28 | Anonymous14U | Is that right? |
| 16:53.36 | Anonymous14U | Well that just made it a bit easier :) |
| 16:53.43 | TuxCrafter | stew: it seems thunar does not respect the umask settings |
| 16:53.54 | TuxCrafter | it took me a while and some searching to find this bug |
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| 16:54.00 | dpkg | xrdp: (Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) server), section net, is optional. Version: 0.4.0~dfsg-8 (lenny), Packaged size: 197 kB, Installed size: 600 kB |
| 16:54.03 | TuxCrafter | lot a lot if time... |
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| 16:54.59 | Anonymous14U | abrotman: E: Couldn't find package xrdp |
| 16:54.59 | abrotman | Anonymous14U: IIRC it's not in etch though .. you can backport it though |
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| 16:55.02 | Anonymous14U | Yeah |
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| 16:55.04 | Anonymous14U | That's it |
| 16:55.06 | Anonymous14U | Ok, thanks |
| 16:55.08 | abrotman | !tell Anonymous14U about ssb |
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| 16:58.40 | megabytch | what is the off topic channel |
| 16:58.49 | abrotman | !ot |
| 16:58.49 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 17:00.27 | werwolf | abrotman: a question about debian logo, is there something with aladin? |
| 17:00.45 | abrotman | you mean .. is there one with alladin ? |
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| 17:01.06 | werwolf | yes |
| 17:01.07 | werwolf | http://www.debian.org/logos/officiallogo-nd-100.jpg |
| 17:01.23 | werwolf | no I mean the "cup" |
| 17:01.31 | werwolf | beneath the squirl |
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| 17:01.52 | werwolf | is there a relationship? |
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| 17:02.23 | abrotman | oh .. no idea .. |
| 17:02.23 | Anonymous14U | abrotman: I hate to be a bother, but I can't seem to change sources.list properly to add lenny |
| 17:02.29 | abrotman | Anonymous14U: you're not changing .. you're adding a deb-src one |
| 17:02.47 | simonrvn | no, it's artistic license |
| 17:02.51 | TuxCrafter | how can i change the apt-get behavior to not use pdiff for updating the cache ? |
| 17:02.59 | Anonymous14U | abrotman: right, I understand, I'm just not entirely sure about the url |
| 17:04.35 | abrotman | Anonymous14U: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 17:05.07 | Anonymous14U | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d4f54919e |
| 17:05.38 | jpinx | I'm still gettting random power-offs - with no temperature issues. But I seem to have an earth-leak - getting some voltage on the earth pin and chassis. Would that make it power-down? |
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| 17:06.01 | abrotman | Anonymous14U: kill the deb-src for security.d.o .. and change the other one to point at lenny instead of etch |
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| 17:06.17 | Anonymous14U | abrotman: what's the proper url for lenny |
| 17:06.42 | abrotman | it would be 'deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian main` |
| 17:06.57 | simonrvn | jpinx: one would imagine it would have some protection from that, but you never know these days (cutting corners and shit like that) |
| 17:07.11 | simonrvn | lenny main |
| 17:07.53 | jpinx | simonrv: yea - I'm in Peru - the electricity here is "dirty" - usually lower than 200 volts and lots of peaks |
| 17:08.11 | simonrvn | uneven flow |
| 17:08.37 | jpinx | very - the laptop is protected by it's charger, but the desktop gets hammeres |
| 17:08.41 | jpinx | *hammered |
| 17:08.48 | simonrvn | yeh, that might do it also. might want some sort of intercedent appliance to even it out |
| 17:08.58 | jpinx | looks for UPS units |
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| 17:09.58 | rm___ | get an UPS with automatic voltage regulation |
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| 17:10.09 | jpinx | I had the monitor fixed recently (the dog chewed through the cable) and things have not been the same since - but the dog is fine :D |
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| 17:11.05 | jpinx | tests the monitor separately |
| 17:12.25 | jpinx | rm___ : looked at those here, but they're really expensive and apparently not that reliable |
| 17:13.27 | jpinx | Hmm -- the monitor is the source of the earth leak - the tower is fine and stays on when disconnected from the monitor. |
| 17:13.45 | rm___ | I don't know what is available at your location, but I recently bought a 800VA UPS with AVR for about $100 |
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| 17:14.38 | jpinx | rm___ : cool - I'll look in the centre of town next time I'm there, but it looks like the monitor is the immediate problem |
| 17:14.40 | rm___ | now I watch the monitoring software and sometimes see, "Input voltage: 201 V, output voltage: 239 V, status: OL BOOST" |
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| 17:14.57 | rm___ | etc |
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| 17:15.26 | baseballer790[Np | penis |
| 17:15.29 | jpinx | rm___ : sounds good - it'd make interesting reading here ;) |
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| 17:15.59 | baseballer790[Np | penis |
| 17:16.15 | baseballer790[Np | Slaps ChanServ around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:16.16 | baseballer790[Np | Slaps debhelper around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:16.16 | baseballer790[Np | Slaps [gquit]bombadil around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:16.17 | baseballer790[Np | Slaps [nine] around a bit with a large trout |
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| 17:17.19 | abrotman | that's a pretty dumb bot |
| 17:17.53 | jpinx | what's the command to bg a process without suspending it? |
| 17:18.04 | jpinx | I want it to go on running |
| 17:18.18 | rm___ | Ctrl-Z then enter "bg" |
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| 17:19.22 | jpinx | rm___ : ta |
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| 17:22.56 | awesomme | check my new megawad !!! http://www.hardstylersunited.dk/index.php |
| 17:23.22 | Dzero | your what? |
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| 17:24.12 | xand | !ops awesomme is a url spammer |
| 17:24.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: awesomme is a url spammer |
| 17:24.14 | awesomme | check my new megawad !!! http://www.hardstylersunited.dk/index.php |
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| 17:24.28 | xand | I think he means "tiny penis" |
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| 17:24.36 | xand | abrotman: you have ops?! |
| 17:24.38 | xand | :O |
| 17:24.44 | abrotman | xand: for quite awhile |
| 17:24.45 | xand | hides |
| 17:24.54 | xand | I don't pay attention here anymore :( |
| 17:24.59 | abrotman | we've noticed |
| 17:24.59 | abrotman | :) |
| 17:25.13 | xand | :| |
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| 17:27.15 | TuxCrafter | I use update-rc.d to disable init services but how can i make then disabled in the apt policy so that with updates the services stays disabled |
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| 17:34.50 | zorton_ | is there a way to force which device becomes sda and sdb on boot? looks like the new upgraded kernel from sarge->etch is now detecting my internal array as sdb with the fiberchannel on sda |
| 17:35.10 | dmoerner | TuxCrafter: I believe that the rc levels of packages are hardcoded in the lsb headers at the top of the /etc/init.d/whatever file. edit those if you want to change the defaults |
| 17:35.22 | dmoerner | Zorton: no, that's why you use uuids or labels |
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| 17:35.52 | Zorton | dmoerner: k, can you point me towards some docs on labels/uuids? |
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| 17:37.00 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell Zorton -about uuid |
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| 17:37.16 | humbolt | which version of xen is in lenny? |
| 17:37.38 | dmoerner | Zorton: there was some guy in here a couple of days ago who wrote a guide on labels but i can't remember who it was...search the oftc #debian logs if you want |
| 17:37.44 | TuxCrafter | dmoerner: the issue is are not the levels but when the package gets updated with apt it reinstalls an rc*.d script and enables the service again, is there a apt policy setting that prevents this? |
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| 17:38.32 | pred2k5 | http://rafb.net/p/5VMZuD34.html <- whats so wrong about that? |
| 17:38.35 | rutski | hi all |
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| 17:39.10 | TuxCrafter | pred2k5: fogot the auto eth0? |
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| 17:39.21 | dmoerner | TuxCrafter: there is not an apt policy setting. but the solution i just gave you is what you want |
| 17:39.32 | pred2k5 | auto eth0 ? |
| 17:39.34 | rutski | I've always thought that distributing C++ libraries can be dagnerous because if the client compiles with a different version of the STL headers than the library builder did, then you've basically got a binary that will crash in weird ways |
| 17:39.45 | Zorton | dmoerner: k, i'll do some research |
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| 17:40.00 | TuxCrafter | dmoerner: but then i have to manually change all init scripts of those services? |
| 17:40.06 | rutski | yet I see things like ogre being packaged with debian; what's the deal there? |
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| 17:40.21 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 17:40.31 | SamuraiDio | can someone help me with vga modes in terminal? |
| 17:40.57 | Anonymous14U | SamuraiDio: ask your question |
| 17:41.25 | mimcpher | I have a debian system installed. I'd like to install it on a new hard drive, and I don't want to just copy my existing install. Can I run the debian installer without having to burn it to media and boot off it? |
| 17:41.28 | dmoerner | TuxCrafter: no different than manually using update-rc.d |
| 17:42.02 | SamuraiDio | if i set a wrong mode in grub menu.lst, grub asks me to select a valid vga mode, so, if i put 317 or 318 it wprks great, but if i place vga=317 (or 318) in my kernel line at the menu.lst, i receive just a blank screen at boot |
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| 17:42.04 | dmoerner | mimcpher: yes. you can netboot from a kernel off of the hard disk, or install from any livecd you have handy, or install from a flash drive |
| 17:42.38 | SamuraiDio | http://pastebin.com/fea16aab |
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| 17:42.46 | SamuraiDio | ^ my menu.lst |
| 17:43.11 | rm___ | mimcpher, or use debootstrap, then chroot to the new system and install the boot loader |
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| 17:43.42 | wizardist | hi all |
| 17:44.11 | dmoerner | i guess he left before the solution to his problem |
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| 17:44.32 | SamuraiDio | ops |
| 17:44.39 | SamuraiDio | can someone help me? |
| 17:44.52 | dmoerner | SamuraiDio: if you specify video=vesafb don't you specify the videomode in hex? |
| 17:45.00 | TuxCrafter | dmoerner: i dont understead can you provide an example please? |
| 17:45.07 | SamuraiDio | dmoerner, i don't know |
| 17:45.22 | dmoerner | TuxCrafter: run head /etc/init.d/networking. it says BEGIN INIT INFO and then lists the default levels |
| 17:45.26 | SamuraiDio | debian-laptop:~# vbetool vbemode get |
| 17:45.26 | SamuraiDio | 317 |
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| 17:46.02 | mimcpher | rm___, debootstrap was what I wanted. Thanks. |
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| 17:46.23 | TuxCrafter | dmoerner: i now use: update-rc.d -f ssh remove what should i use instead? |
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| 17:46.38 | dmoerner | SamuraiDio: SamuraiDio that's the value in hex. for the linux kernel you need to convert it to decimal |
| 17:46.51 | dmoerner | argh |
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| 17:47.16 | dmoerner | SamuraiDio: please stop leaving. http://wiki.antlinux.com/pmwiki.php?n=HowTos.VgaModes read this to understand why it isn't working |
| 17:47.28 | SamuraiDio | ok |
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| 17:48.01 | dmoerner | SamuraiDio: your current line is wrong on numerous levels but that link should explain it |
| 17:48.05 | SamuraiDio | dmoerner, i was testing vbatool, this is why i was lwaving |
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| 17:50.06 | Quentusrex-lapto | Could I get some help troubleshooting a remote vpn connection problem? I'm able to connect to the vpn when on the local network, but when remote openvpn can't get a connection. |
| 17:50.29 | lxsameer | all : how can i compile kernel with CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND=y ? |
| 17:50.40 | Quentusrex-lapto | locally I have my pfsense router dns forward to the local vpn server, and I have the external port 7999 set to forward to the vpn server. |
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| 17:52.08 | TuxCrafter | rebooting to new kernel |
| 17:52.38 | dmoerner | lxsameer: does that require a patch? |
| 17:52.55 | SamuraiDio | dmoerner, can i set the vga mode in menu.lst, but not in the kernel line? |
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| 17:53.30 | dmoerner | SamuraiDio: what do you mean? if you don't tell the kernel about it how will it know? |
| 17:53.31 | lxsameer | dmoerner : i dont know |
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| 17:53.42 | dmoerner | lxsameer: is that tuxonice? |
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| 17:53.48 | doubleshit | DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0 |
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| 17:54.31 | humbolt | I once heard debian lenny does only support Xen with a 2.6.18 kernel. true or false? |
| 17:54.32 | lxsameer | dmoerner : what is tuxonice? |
| 17:55.06 | TheOnly | which is the appropriate kernel setting for a intel pentium dual core processor with family type 6? I suppose the one for P4/P4 based/Older xeon |
| 17:55.11 | wizardist | i have a question |
| 17:55.11 | abrotman | humbolt: lenny doesn't have a .18 |
| 17:55.21 | wizardist | can i install normal OpenGL support on my Radeon 9200? |
| 17:55.45 | Dzero | it should be in the normal driver |
| 17:55.47 | abrotman | the 'radeon' driver |
| 17:55.51 | humbolt | abrotman: so, does lenny support xen still? |
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| 17:55.57 | dmoerner | humbolt: lenny is now supporting xen in latest kernels i believe |
| 17:56.11 | wols | wizardist: yes. "ati" driver |
| 17:56.16 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 17:56.23 | wizardist | abrotman: no. even 3d screensavers (MatrixView) is so slow |
| 17:56.30 | humbolt | that is what I find in lenny linux-modules-2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 |
| 17:56.34 | wizardist | wols: ok. i'll try to try ^_^ |
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| 17:56.53 | abrotman | humbolt: there is no .18 kernel in lenny |
| 17:57.18 | wols | abrotman: but there are no patches for Xen except for .18 IIRC |
| 17:57.25 | dmoerner | lxsameer: if you don't know what that option is how do you know it will fix your problem? |
| 17:57.28 | MXIIA | I restarted my server after a power serge and now apache/ssh (and possibly more) aren't working |
| 17:57.58 | humbolt | and how do I get the latest xen for etch? |
| 17:58.08 | wols | MXIIA: there are errors |
| 17:58.21 | wols | humbolt: apt-cache search xen |
| 17:58.35 | MXIIA | I get "ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.107 port 22: No route to host" for ssh |
| 17:58.38 | lxsameer | dmoerner : debian told me that i should compile my kernel with this option |
| 17:58.48 | MXIIA | and cannot connect to server for apache |
| 17:58.50 | wols | MXIIA: there are errors on the SERVER |
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| 17:58.56 | MXIIA | No |
| 17:59.03 | wols | MXIIA: false |
| 17:59.12 | humbolt | wols: I mean xen 3.2, is it available for etch? and/or is etch and a half available yet? |
| 17:59.24 | MXIIA | how can I see if there are errors? |
| 17:59.28 | wols | humbolt: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 17:59.37 | wols | MXIIA: logs, console output, etc |
| 17:59.42 | MXIIA | ok |
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| 18:00.36 | MXIIA | But when it started up again I saw "starting web server" and starting OpenSSH |
| 18:00.42 | MXIIA | among other things |
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| 18:03.39 | SamuraiDio | dmoerner, setting to 0x317 worked, but i how can i make grub itself, use the same video mode (not only at boot) |
| 18:03.41 | SamuraiDio | ? |
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| 18:04.12 | dmoerner | SamuraiDio: you want the grub splash screen to be that resolution? |
| 18:04.24 | SamuraiDio | yeah |
| 18:05.06 | SamuraiDio | well, there's no splash, i just want the menu, the boot option selection |
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| 18:05.11 | dmoerner | SamuraiDio: i don't think you can do that with regular grub. you probably can with grub-pc. if you use grub-gfxboot (not in debian) you should be able to use a splash screen |
| 18:05.21 | dmoerner | with a specific resolution |
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| 18:05.49 | dmoerner | why are you worrying about the resolution of the grub menu? |
| 18:07.06 | SamuraiDio | i just prefer the grub resolution to be the same as the boot |
| 18:07.12 | SamuraiDio | as the terminal |
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| 18:07.41 | axolx | hey guys -- how can i tell what user/group a process is running under? |
| 18:07.49 | abrotman | ps |
| 18:08.02 | Dzero | i think there are some patches to grub to let you change res if you dont mind unfinnished code and compiling it yourself SamuraiDio |
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| 18:08.04 | axolx | abrotman: what options of ps? ive been reading the man page but cant figure it out |
| 18:08.14 | wols | axolx: aux |
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| 18:08.40 | axolx | wols: thanks |
| 18:08.43 | AndreSantos | im on gconf-editor, i want to asign "Windows key' to run_command_terminal |
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| 18:08.47 | AndreSantos | how do i do that? |
| 18:08.50 | SamuraiDio | ok, if there's no a standart way, better let it as is for now |
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| 18:09.30 | madk | i changed in xorg.conf the resolution to 1280x1024 but i still have 1024x768 resolution. why? |
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| 18:11.03 | wols | madk: check the Xorg log |
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| 18:12.02 | crashanddie | madk, did you edit the right colour depth? have you restarted the xorg server? |
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| 18:12.21 | madk | wols, the gnome program which allows me to change the resolution has still the other entrys in it. |
| 18:12.41 | wols | madk: and? |
| 18:12.44 | madk | crashanddie, yeah, changed all sections and restarted x |
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| 18:13.10 | madk | wols, where does gnome get this? |
| 18:13.24 | madk | wols, i cant change to the 1280 res. |
| 18:13.39 | wols | madk: did you check your logs? |
| 18:13.51 | madk | in a sec. |
| 18:14.04 | wols | damn sundays |
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| 18:14.33 | madk | right |
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| 18:15.10 | madk | waves to Ted_ |
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| 18:16.48 | humbolt | can etch with xen 3.2.1 etch-backports be considered stable? |
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| 18:20.33 | madk | wols, this is the log: http://pastebin.ca/1196594 |
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| 18:20.39 | flapz | hi |
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| 18:20.54 | flapz | my Debian Etch box is not connected to the internet. im at the library |
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| 18:21.11 | flapz | is there a program to download a program and all of it's dependancies? |
| 18:21.19 | flapz | i need to take home mysql++ |
| 18:21.20 | abrotman | apt-get ? |
| 18:21.27 | abrotman | oh .. apt-zip maybe? |
| 18:21.28 | madk | s3(0): Not using mode "1280x1024" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) this is bad |
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| 18:21.41 | flapz | well my debian box is not connected to the internet. and im on a windows machine |
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| 18:21.45 | flapz | at the library |
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| 18:21.52 | abrotman | flapz: why doesn't the target machine have internet ? |
| 18:22.21 | valdyn | flapz: apt-zip |
| 18:22.23 | flapz | abrotman: just moved into new apartment |
| 18:22.34 | abrotman | flapz: you ahve great internet now! |
| 18:22.41 | AndreSantos | can someone help me setting windows key to open terminal? |
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| 18:23.10 | Kgee | I am trying to do a net install from a usb flash drive on an acer one laptop. I am following this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne but when it boots from the usb stick it fails to find the linux kernel. The directions say nothing about this. Does anyone have any ideas on how to make it recognize it? |
| 18:23.22 | madk | !s3 |
| 18:23.22 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 18:23.51 | abrotman | hides |
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| 18:24.14 | madk | ^^ |
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| 18:24.44 | cody | is it possible to stay in the testing branch permanently? |
| 18:24.51 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:25.43 | cody | do you just list "testing" in your sources.list instead of a distro name? |
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| 18:25.47 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:25.58 | cody | cool |
| 18:26.07 | abrotman | cody: understand that as testing nears release .. packages basically stop coming in |
| 18:26.45 | omry | I used some utility to calculate the xorg.conf scanline line once but I forgot it's name. anyone know what I am talking about? |
| 18:26.56 | dmoerner | Kgee: are you sure you referenced the linux kernel in syslinux's config as "linux" and not "vmlinuz" |
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| 18:27.12 | flapz | is apt-zip for windows? |
| 18:27.31 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 18:27.34 | flapz | fuck |
| 18:27.44 | cody | to arrange automatic updates of your files is there something like ubuntu gui that stays in the "system tray"? |
| 18:27.50 | cody | what package does that belong to? |
| 18:27.50 | abrotman | flapz: you could just grab some CD isos ? |
| 18:27.59 | abrotman | update-manager ? |
| 18:27.59 | flapz | fuck that. |
| 18:28.02 | Kgee | dmoerner, ive never used syslinux before, but that makes sense to me, since i used syslinux from a slack install, and they use vmlinuz as a kernel name. How would i change that? |
| 18:28.10 | abrotman | well then |
| 18:29.46 | dmoerner | Kgee: mount the drive and look at syslinux.cfg |
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| 18:31.21 | Kgee | dmoerner, no mention of any kernel in syslinux.cfg |
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| 18:32.07 | wols | madk: line 293 onwards |
| 18:32.15 | dmoerner | Kgee: it will say "default XXX" that is the kernel |
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| 18:33.05 | earthian | hello |
| 18:33.07 | Kgee | wow. alright. so vesamenu.c32 is nowhere NEAR 'linux' haha. would changing it manually work, or do i have to run the modification through syslinux |
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| 18:33.15 | earthian | i installed ipmasq but it does nothing automatically.. |
| 18:33.29 | earthian | i.e. i have it under /etc/init.d/ but it runs at boot time before it should... |
| 18:33.42 | earthian | before dhcp and stuff so nothing works after the server boots |
| 18:33.50 | earthian | how do i fix it? |
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| 18:36.23 | Eulex | earthian, make it run afterwards? |
| 18:36.24 | dvs | earthian: What do you mean by "nothing works". It doesn't allow any connections to your server? |
| 18:36.25 | MXIIA | I get "/usr/sbin/apache/ is not exicutable |
| 18:36.28 | earthian | or.. what runlevel should i look for it? |
| 18:36.30 | MXIIA | do I need to chmod it? |
| 18:36.48 | earthian | dvs, after i run it manualy i can access internet otherwise not |
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| 18:37.20 | earthian | i know very little about iptable so i cant tell you what it does... |
| 18:37.31 | earthian | but i need it to run last or nearly last |
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| 18:37.40 | dmoerner | S/quit |
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| 18:38.02 | fat-lobyte | Hello! How can I get my floppy drive to work? Which kernel modules and/or userspace programs do I need? |
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| 18:38.43 | dvs | earthian: you should be able to do that using update-rc.d. |
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| 18:38.55 | kathi_on_tour_ | cann you speak german? |
| 18:38.59 | abrotman | !de |
| 18:39.00 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 18:39.05 | abrotman | fat-lobyte: just mount it |
| 18:39.25 | fat-lobyte | I do not have a file called /dev/fd0 |
| 18:39.41 | earthian | fat-lobyte, is it usb floppy? |
| 18:39.58 | fat-lobyte | earthian: no, it's not |
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| 18:40.07 | abrotman | did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 18:40.15 | abrotman | fat-lobyte: do yuou have a /dev/floppy ? |
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| 18:41.43 | fat-lobyte | abrotman: no, I do not have a /dev/floppy, and I did not compile my own kernel. It's a stock |
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| 18:41.53 | MXIIA | "/usr/sbin/apache is not executable, not starting, reloading ... failed !" is the error I get on my server wols |
| 18:42.02 | preasha | hi all |
| 18:42.03 | fat-lobyte | It's a stock 2.6.26-1-686 kernel |
| 18:42.19 | dvs | lenny? |
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| 18:43.42 | earthian | dvs, how should i call the update-rc.d script to make ipmasq to start X if everything else needed start before that X? |
| 18:43.52 | earthian | i have not much idea about runlevels tho |
| 18:44.01 | abrotman | fat-lobyte: modprobe floppy .. does that help ? |
| 18:44.46 | dvs | earthian: using the "default" run levels should be fine to use. |
| 18:45.10 | fat-lobyte | abrotman: FATAL: Error inserting floppy (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/block/floppy.ko): No such device |
| 18:45.37 | maligor | you also need it enabled in bios |
| 18:45.39 | dvs | earthian: The number you have to worry about is the order that the daemons run in. It should be higher than the ones that you want ipmasq to run after |
| 18:45.41 | abrotman | guess that sovles that |
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| 18:45.52 | abrotman | fat-lobyte: does your BIOS see the floppy drive? |
| 18:45.52 | fat-lobyte | is there something like "lspci", or "lsusb" for IDE drives? |
| 18:46.11 | fat-lobyte | abrotman: I didn't check yet |
| 18:46.17 | maligor | is floppy IDE? |
| 18:46.19 | fat-lobyte | I'm going to try now |
| 18:46.23 | maligor | I doubt it is |
| 18:46.24 | fat-lobyte | maligor: yes, it is |
| 18:46.45 | earthian | dvs, but where should i put that number? could you show an example? |
| 18:47.00 | maligor | since floppy has a very different requirement set |
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| 18:47.38 | abrotman | i doubt it's IDE |
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| 18:49.57 | fat-lobyte | allright, thanks a lot guys, I simply forgot to enable it in BIOS. now I see the /dev/fd0 |
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| 18:50.32 | ChoHag | What is the point in the network manager, as started by dbus? |
| 18:50.43 | kathi_on_tour_ | can you speak english here? |
| 18:50.43 | ChoHag | The only thing I've ever seen it do is break a perfectly good networking setup. |
| 18:50.45 | pablo | hi, i get this error while booting: debian kernel: [ 10.423244] Error: Driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting... |
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| 18:51.02 | wols | pablo: and the problem is? |
| 18:51.09 | dvs | earthian: update-rc.d ipmasq default 90 |
| 18:51.17 | earthian | ok thanks!!! |
| 18:51.19 | earthian | :) |
| 18:51.24 | pablo | wols: no, nothing |
| 18:51.29 | danners | pablo: i get the same :) |
| 18:51.32 | dvs | earthian: (Sorry, I'm not running Debian right now so it took so long) |
| 18:51.44 | abrotman | wols: there's no problem, just thought i'd share the error |
| 18:51.44 | pablo | danners: lenny? |
| 18:51.50 | danners | pablo: yes |
| 18:51.50 | earthian | dvs, np :) |
| 18:51.58 | dvs | earthian: Ooops! It should be "defaults" not "default" |
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| 18:52.51 | dvs | earthian: you might want to run "update-rc.d -f ipmasq remove" first. |
| 18:52.52 | wols | dvs: why would the daemons matter? as long as the network interfaces are up all is well |
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| 18:53.26 | wols | and dpkg-reconfigure ipmasq asks you about it too |
| 18:53.34 | danners | pablo: but i don't have any problems, so i don't care about the error... |
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| 18:54.00 | pablo | danners: yep i know |
| 18:54.01 | dvs | wols: ask earthian why. I didn't think it would make a difference either. |
| 18:54.21 | dvs | wols: earthian says it just works when he runs it afterwards |
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| 18:54.50 | wols | dvs: daemons != network interfaces |
| 18:55.12 | wols | and while the daemons then are started, the interfaces are up too, what a coincidence |
| 18:55.13 | chemist | I want to create a usb stick with debian netinstall on it, where do I get hd-media/boot.img.gz from? |
| 18:55.34 | wols | chemist: /msg dpkg hd-media |
| 18:55.41 | dvs | chemist: from the installer-... directores on the mirrors |
| 18:56.09 | chemist | thanks |
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| 18:57.46 | earthling | i read somewhere that i need the nvidia (not nv) driver for my graphics card if i want to do multipal monitors... is that correct? |
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| 19:06.16 | christoz | stin apt-get dist-upgrade yparxei kapio option pou na emfanizei tin synoliki se pososto poria tis anavathmishs? |
| 19:06.21 | christoz | oops sorry |
| 19:06.27 | Martin_vW | Hello, I have to import a mysql5 database from an old RH73 server that was reinstalled on debian. Unfortunately I don't have a dump of the old database, just the raw /var/lib/mysql files... and I can't just put them there on the debian machine because then I would lose debian-sys-maint. Any recommendations? |
| 19:07.27 | earthling | is it true that in order to use dual monitors on my video card that i HAVE to install the official nvidia (not nv) driver?? |
| 19:08.15 | icedtea | earthling: I'm not sure, run man nv |
| 19:08.29 | Batchy | earthling: that info is outdated |
| 19:08.45 | Batchy | nv now support randr 1.2 whereas nvidia doesn't |
| 19:08.57 | Batchy | so it's easier to do that with nv |
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| 19:09.04 | icedtea | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.44 | Batchy | it's still possible with nvidia drivers, but it's often a pain. |
| 19:09.56 | abrotman | Martin_vW: setup in a VM and dump correclty? |
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| 19:10.42 | earthling | great, i just read it, said there was a multihead option.. |
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| 19:11.10 | earthling | oops, 'dualhead' option |
| 19:11.10 | Martin_vW | abrotman: oh well, that would be quite a hassle. But thinking of that, I could just temporarily move the folder to /varlib/mysql, dump the database to sql, and then put the debian mysql folder back there. |
| 19:11.15 | tureklai | anybody use torrentflux? I've just installed it, and trying to log in, but cant, user\pass is okay, after clicking login it just gives me back the login screen with no errors no nothing... |
| 19:11.32 | abrotman | Martin_vW: sounds doable |
| 19:12.00 | abrotman | Martin_vW: that said .. you could also rerun the mysql.postinst perhaps to recreate the deb-sys-maint after you restore those ones? |
| 19:12.58 | earthling | tureklai: look at the flux.desktop file and see how it is starting flux. i bet the exec statement is incorrect.. |
| 19:13.10 | Neas | I installed apache on debian and when I check IP i get proper apache2-default site, however, when I created public_html dir to "test" user account and try ip/~test I get: You don't have permission to access /~test/ on this server. |
| 19:13.18 | Neas | i most likely missed something |
| 19:13.22 | Neas | but can't find what |
| 19:13.25 | Martin_vW | abrotman: well, the last time I tried this before, I tried to recreate debian-sys-maint using dpkg-reconfigure, but without any luck. Unfortunately this whole stuff is not really documented. |
| 19:13.48 | jelly-home | Neas: is mod_userdir enabled? |
| 19:13.58 | Neas | hmm |
| 19:14.01 | abrotman | Martin_vW: i don't use mysql .. but i'd imagine ti's in the README.Debian or in the postinst to get it created |
| 19:14.24 | Neas | i think yes jelly-home - but maybe I should try again |
| 19:14.38 | tureklai | earthling what are you talking about ? are we talking about the same thing? webbased torrent client - torrentflux ? |
| 19:14.49 | Neas | can you help me step by step - i was reading instuctions, but i am new to that and don't udnerstand everything |
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| 19:15.38 | earthling | tureklai: sorry bout that, i was thinking of fluxbox, it sometimes screws up the .desktop exec statement.. |
| 19:16.06 | tureklai | i c |
| 19:17.08 | Martin_vW | abrotman: the README.Debian.gz just states "never ever delete the special user", without documenting how to re-create it. |
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| 19:17.13 | earthling | Batchy: so can i use the 'nv' driver or do i need the nvidia driver?? |
| 19:17.18 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 19:17.58 | JeffH | I'm running Debian stable with all the latest security updates. Nothing has changed except installing updates now all of a sudden I'm getting kernel: Out of memory messages. Has there been any updates that might cause this? |
| 19:18.06 | MXIIA | how could I get a GUI, if I installed Debian without it? |
| 19:18.38 | dvs | MXIIA: /msg dpkg kde |
| 19:18.44 | Martin_vW | JeffH: sure that the OOM messages are not actually caused by filled up RAM? :) |
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| 19:19.36 | JeffH | Martin_vW: I suppose its possible. But I haven't changed anything in my system for MONTHS other than taking security updates. |
| 19:19.51 | Martin_vW | JeffH: Well, check free -m ... |
| 19:20.03 | JeffH | I'm sure that they are caused by filled up ram.. but I'm not sure why. |
| 19:20.25 | jelly-home | MXIIA: in addition to "/msg dpkg install kde", you'll also need "/msg dpkg install x" |
| 19:20.27 | JeffH | I just rebooted so not sure its gonna show anything.. but I'll at least see what a 'baseline' is like. |
| 19:20.41 | Martin_vW | JeffH: there could be plenty reasons, depending on the programs/daemons that are running, for example memory leaks or so |
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| 19:21.28 | Martin_vW | JeffH: If I were you, I would have checked which programs are actually using all that memory... restarting them may have been enough. |
| 19:21.30 | earthling | MXIIA: apt-get install <your gui of choice> from cli. it will resolve all dependencies for you |
| 19:21.39 | MXIIA | Ok |
| 19:21.49 | JeffH | looks like 236 of 249 of ram used and 0 of 486 swap used. |
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| 19:22.10 | Martin_vW | JeffH: htop is a nice tool if you want to scroll through the process list and see how much memory all the process are using. |
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| 19:22.19 | Martin_vW | JeffH: How much cache/buffers are in use? |
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| 19:23.14 | JeffH | 136 used, 112 free |
| 19:23.28 | Piper69_ | peterS: are you arround? |
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| 19:25.30 | Martin_vW | JeffH: sounds like the machine has enough memory for it's usual operation. Then there was possible something strange going on that ate up all the memory. |
| 19:26.44 | JeffH | Martin_vW: well, the OOM manager seems to kill amavis (which in turn hoses my e-mail server) about once a day at this point. Fortunately I can log in to my server from anywhere in the world. |
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| 19:27.41 | jelly-home | JeffH: you can also install a monitoring utility that restarts important services |
| 19:27.52 | jelly-home | maybe munin |
| 19:28.15 | JeffH | hm.. I'll look into it. |
| 19:28.18 | Martin_vW | JeffH: I don't know in which sequence linux kills process when out of memory, but it is possible that it's not actually the processes that get killed are responsible. Use tools like htop to check which processes are responsible when it happens the next time :) |
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| 19:29.34 | JeffH | yeah.. I'll do that.. it's killing amavis.. but I know that doesn't mean amavis is the problem. For all I know there are other processes killed too. |
| 19:29.51 | JeffH | Thanks for the help. When/If it happens again I'll have more ideas to try. |
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| 19:32.16 | JeffH | wonder if there's a utility that will e-mail me when a process has been killed. If not, shouldn't be hard to create one with perl. |
| 19:32.47 | kantor | hi, do you guys think a spinrite like program for Linux would be a good idea ? |
| 19:32.52 | JeffH | though, I suppose if amavis is what is getting killed I won't get the e-mail so won't make much difference. |
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| 19:32.55 | OpenTokix | JeffH: should be har swith bash either |
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| 19:33.55 | JeffH | probably not, but I'm not as good with bash as I am perl. |
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| 19:34.31 | Kovensky | totally fails on perl; is relatively good with bash |
| 19:35.10 | jaggz- | do we need an mkttfontdir thingy for adding trutype fonts? |
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| 19:35.49 | jaggz- | I tried adding a font by cp'ing it to /usr/share/fonts/truetype/local <-- new dir |
| 19:36.33 | themill | !install font |
| 19:36.33 | dpkg | To install fonts for just one user, copy then into ~/.fonts/ and then run fc-cache -fv (or ask me about <kfontinst>). To install them system-wide, copy them into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts or into /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts (but you will have to add /usr/local/share/fonts/ to your xorg.conf) and run fc-cache -fv as root. |
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| 19:37.37 | JeffH | I've had to do a few things at work where Perl has fit the bill so I've managed to learn enough to become somewhat proficient. |
| 19:37.43 | jaggz- | oh.. I got it. My Font-new.ttf was broken .. my Font.ttf works fine |
| 19:38.01 | jaggz- | thanks mill |
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| 19:39.16 | preasha | @all: I have a domain and want to redirect any requests(dns requests too) to an other server. which records should i create in the zonemanager so that this would be possible? |
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| 19:40.36 | MXIIA | "/usr/sbin/apache is not executable, not starting, reloading ... failed !" Why am I getting this error if I have apache2 not apache???? |
| 19:40.52 | abrotman | MXIIA: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:41.05 | MXIIA | I restarted my server, and I got those errors |
| 19:41.13 | MXIIA | It worked perfectly before |
| 19:41.18 | Kovensky | wtf does google complain saying that Iceweasel is not a supported browser? o_O |
| 19:41.43 | dvs | Kovensky: because they have Chrome now. ;-) |
| 19:42.14 | tureklai | anybody use torrentflux? I've just installed it, and trying to log in, but cant, user\pass is okay, after clicking login it just gives me back the login screen with no errors no nothing... |
| 19:42.16 | JeffH | is Chrome and fork of firefox? |
| 19:42.24 | Kovensky | JeffH: no |
| 19:42.29 | Kovensky | JeffH: chrome uses webkit |
| 19:42.46 | JeffH | interesting.. that's the same thing Safari uses, right? |
| 19:42.52 | abrotman | yes-ish |
| 19:43.05 | Kovensky | also the same thing konqueror4 may use |
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| 19:43.23 | dvs | konqueror can't get any worse |
| 19:43.54 | Kovensky | dvs: yeah, KJS sucks; but KHTML isn't that bad |
| 19:44.00 | JeffH | last time I used konqueror, I really liked it. |
| 19:44.05 | Kovensky | and konqueror may link with webkit instead of KHTML |
| 19:44.14 | Kovensky | JeffH: I liked it too; but the JS engine is bad :/ |
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| 19:54.40 | grendelson | I've lost the ability to burn DL DVD's - I was able to do it while upgrading from stabvel to testing - then lost it again (I think I finally got myself running under 2.6.26-4) |
| 19:54.49 | gehenna | how do i query for a package that's not installed on the system using dpkg, dpkg -l or -S only lists installed packages |
| 19:54.59 | dmoerner | gehenna: impossible. use apt-file |
| 19:55.00 | grendelson | How can I find out if the kernel version is jsut wrong for burning or if it software? |
| 19:55.06 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell gehenna -about apt-file |
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| 19:55.07 | dvs | gehenna: apt-cache search |
| 19:55.29 | dmoerner | gehenna: if you want to use built-in tools you can grep through apt-cache dumpavail, but that doesn't use dpkg |
| 19:55.30 | gehenna | dmoerner : ahhh great, thanks |
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| 19:55.41 | gehenna | ok |
| 19:56.25 | JohnMS | I'm creating a debian package and need to run a MySQL file to create a database on the installation. How do I get it to do it when creating the package? |
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| 19:58.26 | mbroeker | JohnMS, put a script in debian/postinst |
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| 19:59.01 | JohnMS | mbroeker: Okay. |
| 19:59.07 | JohnMS | mbroeker: Thanks. |
| 20:00.09 | JohnMS | mbroeker: The script wont run if I'm using fakeroot to create the packge then, correct? |
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| 20:01.02 | mbroeker | JohnDoh, the script will be executed when dpkg -i or aptitute install package.deb is exceuted |
| 20:02.18 | Akuw | is exim4 installed by default? |
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| 20:02.42 | JohnMS | mbroeker: Great. Thanks. |
| 20:03.32 | wols | Akuw: yes |
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| 20:04.47 | JohnMS | Yay the package is made. :D Now begins the testing. :D |
| 20:04.55 | pablo | hi, what is the armel arquitecture? |
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| 20:05.19 | testi_ | Which tool do you recommend to record videos from webcam? |
| 20:05.28 | wols | grendelson: lenny has no 2.6.26-4 |
| 20:05.45 | wols | pablo: a ARM (cpu type) sub arch |
| 20:06.01 | pablo | wols: ahh, ok same as mipsel? |
| 20:06.06 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 lenny |
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| 20:06.21 | Wyzard | According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armel it's an ARM emulator |
| 20:06.28 | wols | pablo: no. but similar uses. PDAs, mobile phones,etc are ARM based |
| 20:06.33 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.26-1-686: (Linux 2.6.26 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.26-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 19601 kB, Installed size: 55992 kB |
| 20:06.50 | abrotman | the version is -4 .. the ABI is -1 |
| 20:07.00 | Akuw | why is exim installed by default? is used to create a mail server? |
| 20:07.06 | abrotman | to make eggs |
| 20:07.15 | Wyzard | but mips vs. mipsel seems to be big-endian vs. little-endian |
| 20:07.23 | Wyzard | so maybe armel is a little-endian ARM? |
| 20:07.57 | abrotman | there is 'arm' and 'armeb' as debian ports |
| 20:08.05 | MXIIA | "/usr/sbin/apache is not executable, not starting, reloading ... failed ! |
| 20:08.05 | MXIIA | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.11 | wols | Wyzard: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort |
| 20:08.41 | wols | Wyzard: seems to be the "future" way to support arm on debian |
| 20:09.05 | Wyzard | cool |
| 20:09.07 | wols | MXIIA: filesystem corruption which deleted a needed libary? |
| 20:09.26 | Wyzard | though I don't really know anything about ARM, other than the fact that my WRT54GL contains one |
| 20:09.29 | MXIIA | I never deleted anything |
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| 20:10.11 | wols | MXIIA: you said you had a power outage. that corrupts files |
| 20:10.25 | wols | check the ldd output |
| 20:10.33 | MXIIA | command? |
| 20:10.45 | MXIIA | needs a upc |
| 20:11.02 | wols | MXIIA: man ldd |
| 20:11.07 | MXIIA | ok |
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| 20:12.25 | MXIIA | What am I looking for |
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| 20:14.17 | MXIIA | I cannot use SSH, so I have to go to my server which is in another room, it would be impossible for me to remember everything displayed... |
| 20:15.07 | crashanddie | MXIIA, why the hell can't you SSH? |
| 20:15.18 | MXIIA | I don't know I get this error |
| 20:15.34 | MXIIA | ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.107 port 22: No route to host |
| 20:15.44 | crashanddie | Wyzard, yes, armel is LE |
| 20:15.59 | crashanddie | MXIIA, can you ping it? |
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| 20:16.41 | MXIIA | "From 192.168.1.105 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 20:16.41 | MXIIA | From 192.168.1.105 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 20:16.41 | MXIIA | From 192.168.1.105 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable" |
| 20:17.01 | crashanddie | MXIIA, one would have been enough |
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| 20:17.35 | MXIIA | Sorry |
| 20:18.07 | crashanddie | MXIIA, go to your server, see if you can ping a machine on the network. Either way, check ifconfig, you IP address might have changed (I'm guessing that's an IP address from a DHCP, not a static address) |
| 20:18.41 | MXIIA | Ok |
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| 20:21.15 | mweiss | when partitioning the disk in the debian installer -- i chose manual, encrypted, but i can't set it to the root file system |
| 20:21.21 | mweiss | any ideas? |
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| 20:24.12 | MXIIA | how do I stop a ping? |
| 20:24.25 | trifler | ctrl+c |
| 20:24.26 | peppe | "stop a ping"? whqt? |
| 20:24.30 | mick_home | MXIIA: you can trop ICMP packets w/ iptables |
| 20:24.44 | mick_home | if you are pinging a host from your box, just ctrl+c |
| 20:26.17 | MXIIA | ctrl C worked... my dad was interrogating me so i couldn't think <_< |
| 20:26.26 | MXIIA | and ifconfig is an invalid command |
| 20:26.46 | mick_home | MXIIA: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 20:26.53 | MXIIA | ok |
| 20:27.05 | mick_home | MXIIA: it wasn't in your $PATH |
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| 20:27.27 | mick_home | if you aren't root, then it won't be by default |
| 20:27.41 | MXIIA | do i need to be root? |
| 20:27.51 | mick_home | no |
| 20:28.36 | MXIIA | I'm lost <_< |
| 20:28.47 | mick_home | MXIIA: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:28.58 | MXIIA | now, find my server's IP address |
| 20:29.15 | mick_home | try in: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 20:29.18 | MXIIA | ok |
| 20:29.26 | MXIIA | nano /sbin/ifconfig ? |
| 20:29.30 | faffi | no |
| 20:29.30 | mick_home | nonono |
| 20:29.31 | MXIIA | or cd |
| 20:29.31 | crashanddie | no, just execute it |
| 20:29.34 | MXIIA | ok |
| 20:29.34 | faffi | sudo /sbom/ifconfig |
| 20:29.37 | faffi | err sbin |
| 20:29.38 | MXIIA | ok |
| 20:29.45 | crashanddie | you don't need to sudo it :/ |
| 20:29.51 | faffi | meh, habit |
| 20:30.11 | mick_home | you don't need to use sudo for ifconfig |
| 20:30.18 | mick_home | by default |
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| 20:31.18 | andax | i'll be soon ready with a new gtk gui for mplayer (mplayerhq.hu) , i'm looking for some basic guidelines about releasing source, not to mention packages. Are there any special rules for debian besides providing the configure script? |
| 20:31.32 | MXIIA | Ok it changed to x.x.x.102 from 107, is it possible to ensure it always has the same IP? |
| 20:31.53 | faffi | set a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:32.04 | MXIIA | ok |
| 20:32.42 | _linuxftw | Hey all, I have a bit of a problem. Im trying to install Debian on a laptop with a broken screen, so I was wondering if anybody knew if/how I could get the Debian install to use an external monitor? |
| 20:33.01 | wols | !ig |
| 20:33.01 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r4 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
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| 20:33.18 | wols | _linuxftw: there are ways to do a install over ssh too |
| 20:33.34 | _linuxftw | ahh, that is really what I want then |
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| 20:33.41 | _linuxftw | thanks for the linkwols |
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| 20:43.31 | MXIIA | I tried /etc/network/interfaces and I got permissions denied |
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| 20:44.17 | faffi | MXIIA: nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:44.27 | MXIIA | ok |
| 20:44.27 | faffi | theres gonna be a line cofiguring your ethX interface |
| 20:44.30 | MXIIA | ok |
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| 20:44.50 | MXIIA | <_< what the hell is that add on youtube? |
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| 20:44.56 | r121 | Any ideas why the arrow keys don't work in a virtual terminal (Ctrl+Alt+F1 etc) but they work fine in X? |
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| 20:45.21 | faffi | under it,you add address, network, netmask, broadcast and gateway addresses |
| 20:45.30 | faffi | each with their own line, let me find an example |
| 20:45.43 | faffi | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-newbie/506-setting-static-ip.html |
| 20:45.46 | faffi | googled static ip linux t.t |
| 20:46.13 | andax | r121, sometimes arrow keys die here too. didn't have time to figure out why though.. |
| 20:47.37 | MXIIA | http://pastebin.com/m61b2ac6b what should I change this too? |
| 20:47.39 | r121 | andax: does rebooting solve it? I haven't tried that yet, that's just a last resort |
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| 20:48.04 | faffi | change what MXIIA ? |
| 20:48.16 | faffi | the allow-hotplug? |
| 20:48.22 | MXIIA | To make it a static IP |
| 20:48.30 | MXIIA | instead of changing constantly |
| 20:48.32 | faffi | did you look at that link i pasted |
| 20:48.36 | faffi | it shows you |
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| 20:48.44 | crashanddie | MXIIA, a cleaner solution would be to configure your dhcp server to give the same IP address everytime to a given MAC address (your server) |
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| 20:49.15 | MXIIA | Ok, |
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| 20:50.04 | andax | r121, for me it's always working after boot. If I switch to a console 2 days later it's still working. But after running a few commands they die :) |
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| 20:50.53 | andax | r121, lenovo 3000 n100 notebook, lenny, custom kernel. |
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| 20:51.37 | andax | i thought it was a kernel issue so I never bothered... |
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| 20:52.43 | MXIIA | crashanddie , how would I do that, through my router? |
| 20:53.49 | MXIIA | "Static Routing?" |
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| 20:55.42 | andax | MXIIA, static routing is static routing, you should not touch that :) try looking for 'static dhcp' |
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| 20:56.06 | MXIIA | ok |
| 20:56.23 | glennglad | WC |
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| 20:57.36 | andax | MXIIA, most soho routers have this option, try looking for 'dhcp settings' or something with dhcp in the name. There you should be able to define static ip addresses for a given computer ( assign ip addresses based on mac addresses ) |
| 20:58.01 | MXIIA | ok |
| 20:58.07 | MXIIA | LinkSys? |
| 20:58.12 | MXIIA | should that have it |
| 20:58.24 | andax | definiately yes. |
| 20:58.38 | MXIIA | what should it be under? |
| 20:58.47 | MXIIA | oh |
| 20:58.56 | MXIIA | Host name = mac address? |
| 20:58.59 | MXIIA | domain = IP? |
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| 20:59.41 | MacGyverNL_ | Uhm. |
| 20:59.43 | MacGyverNL_ | No. |
| 20:59.44 | andax | well, mac address is something like: 00:01:02:03:AB:CD:EF ... |
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| 20:59.54 | MXIIA | yea |
| 20:59.58 | MXIIA | I know my mac address |
| 21:00.05 | MacGyverNL | But that shouldn't go in the field "Host name". |
| 21:00.06 | MXIIA | let me screenshot the page |
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| 21:00.13 | andax | good idea |
| 21:00.18 | Agiofws | does anyone have bookmarks displayed from latest to oldest ... order ? in firefox ? |
| 21:01.03 | MXIIA | http://i37.tinypic.com/2dac6c8.png |
| 21:02.37 | andax | MXIIA, in this page you shouldn't touch anything if your internet connection is working. Instead look at the menu on the left. There you got 'dhcp server settings' click on that. |
| 21:02.51 | MXIIA | ok |
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| 21:03.33 | MXIIA | it isn't a link |
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| 21:04.29 | andax | MXIIA, ok, what about clicking on 'dhcp reservation'? |
| 21:04.44 | Cheako | Hello, I'm trying to install debian into an existing LVM(that does not boot currently)... |
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| 21:06.09 | Cheako | I booted debian-40r4a-i386-cd-1, but I'm stuck trying to partition disks. How do I say "Use this device for root/swap?" |
| 21:06.45 | MXIIA | Ok, I clicked DHCP reservations, should I select my server? |
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| 21:07.26 | Cheako | ...Can I hack something into /etc/fstab of the install system? There are no menu items for this from what I can tell. |
| 21:07.26 | MXIIA | Do I need to reset my server to make the change take place? |
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| 21:08.02 | Cheako | I ran lvcreate by hand, but I still have enough space to start over. |
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| 21:08.38 | MXIIA | Clients Already Reserved |
| 21:08.38 | MXIIA | |
| 21:08.38 | MXIIA | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.38 | MXIIA | Client Name Assign IP Address To This MAC Address MAC Address |
| 21:08.38 | MXIIA | MXIIA-Server 192.168.1.102 MA:CA:DD:RE:SS:12 |
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| 21:09.14 | dmoerner | Cheako: just don't do autopartitioning and then choose the volumes inside the lvm. you might want to try booting with expert mode |
| 21:09.18 | andax | MXIIA: you found the place to setup static ip address for the computer. can you make a screenshot again? |
| 21:09.56 | MXIIA | No, need, I fixed it. |
| 21:10.03 | MXIIA | Thanks for your help |
| 21:10.29 | andax | cool, now test it ( set the box to obtain ip automatically then reboot it ) |
| 21:10.51 | MXIIA | Ok |
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| 21:11.07 | andax | or just dhclient <interface> if you can't reboot |
| 21:11.15 | Cheako | dmoerner: Until I get the partition step to complete, I'm unable to continu that far. I'll try expert mode, that's likely what I need. |
| 21:11.17 | Cheako | bbl. |
| 21:11.33 | elio1970 | hi |
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| 21:15.41 | _linuxftw | Will a default /etc/apt/sources.list let me install packages such as apache? |
| 21:16.22 | Kovensky | _linuxftw: if it is free software, then yes |
| 21:16.33 | Kovensky | as it is, then yes again =p |
| 21:16.47 | _linuxftw | Well, the only line in my sources.list is "http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main", yet apt-get tells me it can't find apache |
| 21:17.40 | Kovensky | apache2 |
| 21:18.13 | _linuxftw | I've tried that already :P |
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| 21:18.33 | _linuxftw | Perhaps security.debian.org only contains security updates, not extra packages? |
| 21:19.23 | dhgfd | im upgrading from etch to lenny but i think need to abort as the connection is too slow. Im at the terminal as i used ctrl alt f1. |
| 21:20.14 | dhgfd | should i cancel / abort the upgrade and how ? |
| 21:20.20 | jester45 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.39 | jester45 | apt download all the packages before it tries to install any |
| 21:21.08 | jester45 | but make sure it hasnt started to install newpackages yet |
| 21:21.31 | dhgfd | jester45 thanks. how do I cancel ? |
| 21:22.14 | jester45 | can you see if its still downloading? |
| 21:22.26 | dhgfd | yest its downloading packages |
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| 21:22.34 | _linuxftw | Ctrl+C? |
| 21:22.58 | jester45 | then press ctrl c |
| 21:23.39 | dhgfd | ok. i have a time limit , hopefully it will be done by then . if not ill try ctrl c |
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| 21:24.29 | jester45 | well it will save what it downloads now so later you dont have to dl as much |
| 21:24.47 | dhgfd | ahh great I was just about to ask |
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| 21:25.36 | dudeman | !remove kde |
| 21:25.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
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| 21:26.18 | dudeman | about fucking time |
| 21:26.27 | dudeman | I'm sick of kde and all that shit I'm just going simple now |
| 21:26.44 | jester45 | just remove X and install screen |
| 21:27.18 | dudeman | I'd been thinking about it |
| 21:27.23 | dudeman | ever since I discovered emacs |
| 21:27.47 | dudeman | jester45, I would actually if I could figure out to make my console larger, play videos and stuff without X |
| 21:27.55 | dudeman | yeh then I might actually ditch X altogether |
| 21:28.04 | jester45 | mplayer can may videos in acsii |
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| 21:28.09 | dudeman | lol |
| 21:28.09 | jester45 | play* |
| 21:28.14 | dudeman | I seen that, its amusing |
| 21:28.31 | jester45 | and a frambuffer will let you have fullres |
| 21:28.40 | jester45 | makes irssi nice |
| 21:28.47 | dmoerner | dudeman: use http://linuz.sns.it/~max/twin/ |
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| 21:29.53 | jester45 | doesnt like twin |
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| 21:30.19 | dudeman | screen + emacs is good enough for everything leately it seems |
| 21:30.29 | dudeman | I the only reason I use X is for facebook etc. and youtube |
| 21:30.49 | dudeman | mostly all i do now is code don't have time for bullshit |
| 21:30.54 | Kovensky | uses X for mplayer and firefox |
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| 21:31.36 | Kovensky | anyone recommends a good very lean-and-mean desktop environment? but minimalist =p |
| 21:31.42 | Kovensky | but *not* minimalist |
| 21:31.53 | jester45 | xfce is nice |
| 21:32.18 | Kovensky | I'm on e16 right now |
| 21:32.22 | jester45 | you could call it gnome's little brother |
| 21:32.24 | Kovensky | jester45: I didn't like xfce much |
| 21:32.24 | Lagbolt | yeah xfce is nice and minimal |
| 21:32.29 | dudeman | !xwinman |
| 21:32.29 | dpkg | [xwinman] probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 21:32.33 | avu | how is that 'lean-and-mean' though? it used the same amount of ressources as gnome or kde does |
| 21:32.34 | Kovensky | maybe because of it being too gnomeish =p |
| 21:32.56 | avu | the 'xfce uses less memory' myth is just that, a myth. it hasn't been true in quite some time. |
| 21:33.00 | Lagbolt | Kovensky, well dont use a desktop environment :) use fluxbox |
| 21:33.11 | dmoerner | lxde? the new darling of linux? |
| 21:33.16 | jester45 | openbox > fluxbox |
| 21:33.22 | Kovensky | Lagbolt: does it support system tray? I need scim support |
| 21:33.28 | dmoerner | i like pekwm myslef |
| 21:33.29 | Kovensky | I hated lxterminal D: |
| 21:33.33 | Lagbolt | Kovensky, yeah it has a tray |
| 21:33.43 | dudeman | !remove gnome |
| 21:33.43 | dpkg | i guess remove gnome is aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common |
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| 21:34.12 | Lagbolt | Kovensky, how about LXDE? |
| 21:34.17 | avu | as a WM, fluxbox is actually quite huge. more than two times the binary size than the gnome WM |
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| 21:34.28 | Kovensky | Lagbolt: I didn't like the terminal |
| 21:34.30 | rm____ | Kovensky, what do you not like about Xfce? |
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| 21:34.40 | Kovensky | Lagbolt: I tried it, it didn't support irssi's shortcuts |
| 21:34.42 | Lagbolt | Kovensky, you can use what ever terminal you want lol |
| 21:34.46 | Kovensky | rm____: the terminal, the file manager, the editor |
| 21:34.58 | rm____ | hum, ok |
| 21:35.14 | dmoerner | Kovensky: well what fm, terminal, and editor do you like then? |
| 21:35.15 | rm____ | still don't understand what's not to like about them |
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| 21:36.53 | abrotman | avu: use blackbox! |
| 21:37.10 | Lagbolt | abrotman, is blackbox still being developed? |
| 21:37.11 | abrotman | avu: and FWIW .. gnome doesn't have *a* WM |
| 21:37.22 | avu | abrotman, yes it does. |
| 21:37.23 | abrotman | Lagbolt: last i knew .. it died around 1999 .. started again in .. 2003 i think ? |
| 21:37.53 | abrotman | avu: which is it? |
| 21:37.57 | avu | abrotman, the fact that you can use other wms with gnome says nothing about there not being a WM in the gnome project |
| 21:37.58 | abrotman | avu: metacity? sawfish? openbox ? |
| 21:38.01 | Kovensky | is thinking about icewm |
| 21:38.09 | avu | abrotman, and liste time I checked, there is only one at a given time |
| 21:38.14 | Lagbolt | icewm eh? i never liked thatone |
| 21:38.15 | Kovensky | dmoerner: I like gedit, konqueror; not sure about terminal |
| 21:38.23 | Kovensky | dmoerner: but I don't want gedit nor konqueror, too bloated =p |
| 21:38.26 | avu | abrotman, sawfish hasn't been the gnome wm in a long time, openbox never was afaik? |
| 21:38.27 | abrotman | avu: right .. but you can use any that you like AFAIK |
| 21:38.29 | Kovensky | dmoerner: I'm using vim for editor needs |
| 21:38.36 | abrotman | avu: i still use sawfish as my gnome wm |
| 21:38.40 | avu | abrotman, as long as it's NETWM compliant, yes |
| 21:38.53 | Kovensky | Lagbolt: I still didn't see screens, tough |
| 21:38.57 | abrotman | avu: until metacity implements edge-flipping .. i'll stick with sawfish |
| 21:38.59 | Kovensky | I got interest by the description |
| 21:39.10 | jelly-home | abrotman: gnome does default to metacity, doesn't it |
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| 21:39.35 | avu | jelly-home, it's the only WM that's part of gnome, yes |
| 21:39.41 | abrotman | if you just type 'aptitude install gnome' .. yes .. |
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| 21:39.45 | avu | (opposed to 'possible to use with gnome') |
| 21:40.04 | Kovensky | decides to give lxde a try |
| 21:40.16 | abrotman | oh actually .. 'gnome-session' .. only recommends metacity |
| 21:40.22 | Kovensky | loads of gnome deps :O |
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| 21:40.34 | abrotman | but uh .. conflicts with bug-buddy? |
| 21:40.49 | avu | abrotman, so? that only says something about the packaging. gnome is actually a project with an upstream, you know? :) |
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| 21:40.58 | avu | abrotman, and the only WM part of this project is metacity. :) |
| 21:41.00 | themill | that's because gnome doesn't have bugs, it's just got things that you can frig with in gconf |
| 21:41.02 | avu | but enough hairs split. |
| 21:41.03 | abrotman | avu: lies! |
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| 21:41.31 | abrotman | avu: there used to be rumors of people using e16 as their WM with gnome .. but no one is that crazy .. right? |
| 21:41.43 | Kovensky | abrotman: why not that crazy? |
| 21:41.48 | avu | abrotman, enlightenment actually was the official gnome WM at one point |
| 21:41.49 | Kovensky | abrotman: e16 is kool |
| 21:41.53 | avu | abrotman, before sawfish |
| 21:41.56 | abrotman | avu: i'm aware of that .. |
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| 21:42.13 | Kovensky | I just need something with a panel |
| 21:42.16 | abrotman | avu: that's when i was using raw englightenment (before i switched to blackbox) |
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| 21:43.05 | Kovensky | lxde is hawt :D |
| 21:43.09 | Kovensky | too windowish, tough |
| 21:43.20 | Kovensky | s/windowish/windowsish/ |
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| 21:43.31 | avu | if you want something "different", use wmii or xmonad :) |
| 21:43.34 | abrotman | avu: and FWIW .. sawfish is listed at gnome.org/projects .. but yes is hosted elsewhere |
| 21:43.40 | dmoerner | Kovensky: just use xwin |
| 21:43.49 | avu | gotta love wmii |
| 21:44.02 | Kovensky | dmoerner: heck, I could use twm ;) |
| 21:44.17 | Kovensky | I don't mind the windowishness |
| 21:44.18 | karmatronic | cant stand twm and so on.... |
| 21:44.22 | Kovensky | as long as it is not gnomeish =p |
| 21:44.35 | Kovensky | that means: no gconf messing needed |
| 21:44.53 | abrotman | avu: if you could make epiphany stop crashing .. that'd be swell :) |
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| 21:46.22 | avu | abrotman, I don't even use it :( |
| 21:46.43 | avu | abrotman, just bite the bullet and use iceweasel like the rest of us ;) |
| 21:46.50 | abrotman | make it suck less |
| 21:47.04 | avu | all browsers suck. |
| 21:49.09 | Kovensky | avu: make google stop saying iceweasel is not firefox 1.5 compatible |
| 21:49.44 | avu | Kovensky, what? Where does that bite you? gmail/maps work fine here in full fledged bling-mode |
| 21:50.30 | Kovensky | avu: my mom was complaining about orkut complaining that I needed firefox1.5 or ie6+ |
| 21:51.20 | avu | orkut still exists? astonishing. |
| 21:51.31 | avu | well, get her a user agent switcher |
| 21:51.33 | Kovensky | avu: it still exists; and is VERY popular in Brazil |
| 21:51.38 | Kovensky | I dislike it tough =p |
| 21:51.44 | Kovensky | avu: where is that? |
| 21:51.48 | themill | !iceweasel user-agent |
| 21:51.48 | dpkg | i guess iceweasel user-agent is not the same as Firefox. If you encounter a site or plugin that works with Firefox or MSIE but not Iceweasel, first smack the authors, then go to about:config and change general.useragent.extra.firefox to Firefox/<version>; or use an extension (such as "User-Agent Switcher") to change your user-agent. Remember to switch it back afterwards though, or no-one will bother to fix their broken websites! |
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| 21:56.57 | preasha | where can i find an overview of the placeholder tokens that can be used in issue.net, for example inserting the last logindate? |
| 21:58.13 | abrotman | man getty ? |
| 21:58.48 | preasha | one moment...i will try |
| 21:58.52 | abrotman | preasha: man getty .. search for ISSUE ESCAPES |
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| 21:59.58 | preasha | yeah yeah, i already did :D great |
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| 22:00.00 | preasha | thanks |
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| 22:16.24 | Laeborg|Lap | hi |
| 22:16.41 | Laeborg|Lap | how can i bind /var/www into /home/elitebits/www ? |
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| 22:17.08 | streuner | ln? |
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| 22:17.39 | joneal | Can anyone help me. I'm trying to enable a RS232 radio to communicate through the RS232 port on ttys0. Is there a way to allow this. I seem to remember doing something with modprobe. |
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| 22:19.37 | Laeborg|Lap | ln: creating hard link `/home/elitebits/www/www' to `/var/www': Operation not permitted |
| 22:19.45 | martinah | hi. can I somehow prevent apt from using those pdiff-files and instead do the update 'oldschool' style? |
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| 22:21.37 | ross`_ | hey um im running etch |
| 22:21.46 | ross`_ | and i keep getting crap errors while compiling |
| 22:21.53 | ross`_ | and its random like i get a different error every time |
| 22:21.54 | themill | !pdiff |
| 22:21.54 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 22:21.58 | themill | martinah: ^^ |
| 22:22.02 | ross`_ | and i know what im compiling the code is 100% good |
| 22:22.05 | martinah | themill: thanks! |
| 22:22.09 | themill | np |
| 22:22.12 | ross`_ | can someone tell me why i cant compile anything correctly |
| 22:22.17 | ross`_ | its really strange |
| 22:22.25 | ross`_ | i have all the needed libs |
| 22:22.25 | ross`_ | =/ |
| 22:22.40 | Lagbolt | ross`_, can you pastebin the errors and/or output? |
| 22:22.56 | ross`_ | its random tho |
| 22:23.02 | ross`_ | it allways gives a different error |
| 22:23.08 | abrotman | compile errors shouldn't be random |
| 22:23.14 | ross`_ | and its always something stupid like syntax |
| 22:23.19 | ross`_ | but i know the code is 100% clean |
| 22:23.26 | ross`_ | 1. i didnt write it |
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| 22:23.32 | martinah | ross`_: you mean a different error every time you compile the *same* piece of software? |
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| 22:23.33 | ross`_ | 2. tons of others compiled it successfully |
| 22:23.37 | ross`_ | yes martinah |
| 22:23.40 | martinah | if so, I'd suggest faulty hardware |
| 22:23.42 | abrotman | RAM error ? |
| 22:23.46 | ross`_ | hmm |
| 22:24.03 | ross`_ | thats bad |
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| 22:25.21 | ross`_ | well ty =/ |
| 22:25.23 | simonrvn | !segfault |
| 22:25.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, segfault is Core dumped or see Netscape, or ask me about <sig11>, or the program tried to access memory that it didn't own |
| 22:25.31 | simonrvn | !sig11 |
| 22:25.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
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| 22:25.44 | ross`_ | ooh |
| 22:25.49 | ross`_ | a samurai |
| 22:25.49 | SamuraiDio | how can i configure init scrips? |
| 22:27.04 | Tramp | SamuraiDio: usually by means of setting variables in a file in /etc/default/ |
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| 22:41.08 | yitz_ | When is Lenny expected to be released as stable? |
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| 22:41.42 | jelly-home | !wwlr |
| 22:41.43 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
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| 22:42.30 | yitz_ | Thanks |
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| 22:43.58 | Danskmand | Howdy :-) - Does someone use a faxsolution that uses mISDN ? |
| 22:44.21 | simonrvn | a whatsit? hi |
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| 22:45.54 | cluck | hi |
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| 22:47.15 | Danskmand | Well, I think asterisk is "too much" for "just" a faxserver, and not that easy to configure....So I would like to use Capisuite - but with mISDN ... |
| 22:47.40 | mariana | anybody speak spanish??? |
| 22:47.42 | cluck | anyone else having problems with xorg crashing/restarting in sid (preferably also with a solution ;) |
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| 22:47.48 | Akuw | where iceweasel saves cookies? |
| 22:47.48 | streuner | !es |
| 22:47.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:47.58 | abrotman | Akuw: ~/.mozilla |
| 22:48.15 | pickcoder | Danskmand: capi3hylafax? |
| 22:48.17 | pickcoder | er |
| 22:48.22 | pickcoder | capi4hylafax |
| 22:48.30 | Akuw | cache? |
| 22:48.31 | mariana | streuner, i havent a problem with debian |
| 22:48.37 | streuner | cluck: ever used BTS? |
| 22:48.39 | mariana | is a languaje problem |
| 22:48.52 | streuner | sure, so join the spanish channel |
| 22:48.53 | cluck | mariana: yo comprendo un poquito, talvez te pueda ayudar a traducir lo que quieras |
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| 22:49.07 | pickcoder | !info capi4hylafax etch |
| 22:49.07 | Akuw | .mozilla/firefox/2vh9f0cp.default/cache? |
| 22:49.14 | mariana | oks cluck, thanks |
| 22:49.23 | mariana | usuario editor |
| 22:49.25 | mariana | please |
| 22:49.32 | dpkg | capi4hylafax: (Faxing over CAPI 2.0 device), section comm, is extra. Version: 1:01.03.00.99.svn.300-4 (etch), Packaged size: 206 kB, Installed size: 648 kB |
| 22:50.05 | mariana | publisher user maybe?? |
| 22:50.29 | cluck | streuner: not really, i was just wandering what could be going on |
| 22:50.31 | Danskmand | But Capi4hylafax is a substitude for capi4isdn, isnt it ? |
| 22:50.47 | pickcoder | I dunno |
| 22:50.55 | streuner | cluck: if you using unstable you should read /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 22:51.56 | Danskmand | I am asking because capi4isdn is not being developed anymore....That is why I want to use mISDN..... |
| 22:52.12 | cluck | streuner: kk |
| 22:52.59 | cluck | mariana: that probably refers to the superuser/root/admin depending on context |
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| 22:55.31 | mariana | no no, im builing a drupal in my server, and there are two roles 'anonymous user', 'authenticated user' and i need a 3rd role the user that can publish and edit comments |
| 22:55.40 | intx | drupal ^^ |
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| 22:57.49 | chemist | I have 2 remote shares that I map to at boot time and mount to /media/share1 and /media/share2, how can I make them appear under "Storage Media" in konqueror? |
| 22:59.31 | cluck | mariana: editor or publisher then :) |
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| 23:00.10 | mariana | oks, thanks cluck! :* |
| 23:00.32 | cluck | mariana: you're welcome :) |
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| 23:00.56 | adnc | hello,which tools can i use in order to find out which TXT entries a domain has? |
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| 23:01.02 | cluck | bye all |
| 23:01.02 | abrotman | dig |
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| 23:01.15 | adnc | abrotman: to be more exact? |
| 23:01.47 | streuner | hands adnc man dig |
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| 23:02.28 | adnc | abrotman: i need to get dkim running here, but i dont kno whow to find out what is seen in the tXT field. dig doesnt show me these |
| 23:02.31 | jdrake | I have a server that is running stable, and I would like to know what would be upgradable, but I do not want apt to know about new things if I decide to not do the upgrade. Is there a way to do this? |
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| 23:03.17 | streuner | put them to hold? |
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| 23:03.32 | streuner | which is rather stupid |
| 23:03.35 | sevard | Does anyone use 'debe17'? I'm following the instructions on their website and cannot fetch the packages from their apt-get repo |
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| 23:04.16 | streuner | <some URL> ./ |
| 23:04.32 | abrotman | sevard: you'd probably ask them |
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| 23:04.48 | sevard | abrotman: I've been attempting. |
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| 23:06.55 | sevard | abrotman: abiet installing from cvs, which is hard to maintain, besides the debian enlightenment 17 debian packages which are dated back to july, and this debe17, are you aware of any other places one might get recent precompiled e17 debs? |
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| 23:07.17 | streuner | ask in #e about :-) |
| 23:07.23 | streuner | good luck |
| 23:07.29 | sevard | :( |
| 23:07.31 | abrotman | !info e17 experimental |
| 23:07.35 | streuner | hrhr |
| 23:07.39 | dpkg | e17: (The Enlightenment DR17 Window Manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.16.999.043-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 1233 kB, Installed size: 3464 kB |
| 23:07.40 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:07.56 | abrotman | is that new enough ? |
| 23:08.09 | sevard | dpkg: 43-1 is dated july 06, iirc |
| 23:08.09 | dpkg | okay, sevard |
| 23:08.10 | streuner | suprise |
| 23:08.30 | streuner | here we go |
| 23:08.31 | sevard | I was looking for newer, and thought this debe17 website could provide. |
| 23:08.51 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 23:08.52 | adnc | abrotman: thank you very much, "dig" did do the job |
| 23:08.58 | abrotman | dpkg: forget 43-1 |
| 23:08.58 | dpkg | abrotman: i forgot 43-1 |
| 23:09.01 | streuner | abrotman:hehe |
| 23:09.23 | abrotman | sevard: then you'll have to ask #e .. there is also #elive which is debian-based(not supported here) |
| 23:09.42 | sevard | hrmm, elive might be able to provide debs |
| 23:10.03 | cmihai | Hi. I've got etch configured with pppoe via pppoeconf. It works fine, but when I reboot it works for about 1 minute after boot then dies. |
| 23:10.13 | streuner | in the past you had to get an account in order to get the source for e at all |
| 23:10.14 | cmihai | Something seems to unconfigure it. |
| 23:10.35 | cmihai | Works fine if I manually run ppp_on_boot.dsl |
| 23:10.41 | cmihai | What am I missing here? |
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| 23:10.56 | abrotman | sevard: and you may want to tell #e that they can update their webpage to point to the experimental debs in Debian |
| 23:11.09 | streuner | hrhr |
| 23:11.25 | streuner | abrotman: you know the drill? |
| 23:11.28 | sevard | abrotman: will do, however, iirc.. most of the people in #e, including rasterman, are like "cvs or go home" |
| 23:11.41 | abrotman | streuner: the who? |
| 23:11.52 | abrotman | sevard: oddly .. they link to packages |
| 23:12.06 | streuner | Who did mantain e in Debian?.... |
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| 23:14.29 | abrotman | !maint enlightenment etch |
| 23:14.31 | dpkg | enlightenment: Laurence J. Lane <ljlane@debian.org> |
| 23:14.42 | abrotman | !maint e17 experimental |
| 23:14.44 | dpkg | e17: Debian Pkg-e Team <pkg-e-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 23:15.03 | streuner | Who is that at all? |
| 23:15.07 | zinx | yay experimental |
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| 23:15.24 | streuner | ljlane is dead in IRC... |
| 23:15.32 | abrotman | so? he still has packages |
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| 23:16.15 | abrotman | the team appears to be three people i've never heard of |
| 23:16.32 | pothibo | Hi, I have this: ifconfig eth0 up 0.0.0.0 if I want to translate it into a command in /etc/network/interfaces would it be equal to this: iface eth0 inet static \n address 0.0.0.0 ? |
| 23:16.34 | streuner | wondering who they are |
| 23:16.40 | pothibo | . \n being a line break |
| 23:17.00 | abrotman | streuner: packages.debian.org/e17 .. click on the package .. look on the right side |
| 23:17.10 | Snadder | Does it exist a portable format (for web use) which does animations like .gif.. and good quality compressed photos like .png? |
| 23:17.46 | abrotman | uhm .. png ? |
| 23:17.52 | abrotman | png does animations IIRC |
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| 23:18.14 | streuner | abrotman: hm |
| 23:18.47 | streuner | gif is free, isnt't it? |
| 23:18.49 | rm_ | MNG is the animated PNG, but its support is nonexistent, afaik |
| 23:19.23 | streuner | or at least its lizens is over? |
| 23:19.55 | rm_ | APNG too, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animated_Portable_Network_Graphics |
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| 23:20.09 | streuner | hm |
| 23:20.11 | cafuego | Spot of SVG with embedded javascript. |
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| 23:21.13 | zzerxsd | hi ...i got a problem trying to find the codec for may media player in etch, can some one point me to the right package ??? thanks |
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| 23:21.37 | streuner | essiential ;-) |
| 23:21.49 | abrotman | FWIW .. that bouncing ball works in opera .. and doesn't in IW/Epiphany |
| 23:21.53 | streuner | its the base name, but you want look at marillat |
| 23:22.32 | extor | Is there any way for me to send text to my desktop as a pure text overlay that just overshadows any windows I have open? Sorta like this screenshot: http://www.carmosaic.com/weather/scripts/image-overlay-demo.php |
| 23:23.03 | Gnurdux | how do i get a log of recent logins/login attempts |
| 23:23.05 | cmihai | Of course, it was network-manager acting all retarded. |
| 23:23.16 | simonrvn | xosd maybe? |
| 23:23.22 | streuner | Gnurdux: /var/log? |
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| 23:23.40 | simonrvn | extor: ^^^ |
| 23:23.48 | Gnurdux | what file in /var/log though |
| 23:23.57 | bsund | I have a batch of zip-files to extract.. 'unzip *.zip' don't follow so to speak.. do anyone know the problem? |
| 23:24.01 | streuner | /var/log/auth.log |
| 23:24.21 | extor | xosd |
| 23:24.36 | bsund | I want to extract *.zip |
| 23:24.46 | streuner | man unzip |
| 23:24.49 | extor | humps simonrvn 's leg in gratitude |
| 23:24.51 | Decepticon | how do i turn on talkd so i can send the other user a massage |
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| 23:25.05 | extor | pees on the carpet and runs in circles chasing his own tail in joy |
| 23:25.17 | bsund | streuner: been there done that |
| 23:26.20 | Tramp | bsund: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFAQ/056 -- How can I untar or unzip multiple tarballs at once? |
| 23:26.21 | abrotman | bsund: for i in $(ls *.zip); do unzip $i; done |
| 23:26.45 | Tramp | abrotman: please not. This will break on filenames with spaces |
| 23:26.56 | abrotman | Tramp: filenames shouldn't have spaces |
| 23:27.03 | dmoerner | for i in *.zip; do unzip "$i"; done is better i think |
| 23:27.05 | abrotman | and he can easily quote it |
| 23:27.17 | abrotman | but filenames still shouldn't have spaces |
| 23:27.19 | bsund | abrotman: haha ye i was thinking in the same way :) |
| 23:27.32 | Tramp | abrotman: maybe. but they often do - and quoting will not help, the problem is the "in ..." which will be splitted on spaces by the shell |
| 23:27.54 | abrotman | then whoever made them spaced filenames should be shot |
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| 23:28.08 | abrotman | my bosses enjoyed the day i did a mass rename on the fileserver :) |
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| 23:28.13 | amphi | Tramp: for i in *zip will work with spaces |
| 23:28.19 | Tramp | amphi: yes. |
| 23:28.23 | zinx | filenames should have every character except / and \0 in them. |
| 23:28.48 | zinx | Tramp: shell wild cards are expanded to one argument per match |
| 23:28.52 | Laeborg|Lap | anyone where there nows anything about mysqltcl ? |
| 23:29.02 | Tramp | zinx: yes. I know that. Why do you tell me that? |
| 23:29.04 | zinx | Tramp: it's only when they're parsed *again* due to improper quoting that the spaces split it |
| 23:29.23 | zinx | Tramp: because you said "<Tramp> abrotman: maybe. but they often do - and quoting will not help, the problem is the "in ..." which will be splitted on spaces by the shell" |
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| 23:29.36 | zinx | Tramp: which is wrong. which is why i told you what happens. |
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| 23:29.41 | Tramp | zinx: iterating over the output of "ls *" will not work. |
| 23:29.53 | zinx | Tramp: no, it won't. because that's parsing twice with improper quoting. |
| 23:29.59 | abrotman | stopped caring already :) |
| 23:30.13 | Tramp | zinx: iterating over the glob (*) /will/ work. Please check with #bash if you don't understand the difference |
| 23:30.15 | abrotman | how about you both test it .. and let us all know |
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| 23:30.37 | dmoerner | Tramp: zinx you guys aren't disagreeing on anything by now haha |
| 23:30.44 | zinx | Tramp: you're mistaken about who understands what, and who's making up irrelevant crap to try to pretend he was right, now :P |
| 23:30.54 | abrotman | go test it!!! |
| 23:30.55 | Tramp | zinx: whatever. |
| 23:31.04 | abrotman | tells abrotman about ep |
| 23:31.14 | zinx | my personal pet peeve is people using $* in shell scripts to pass all arguments instead of "$@" |
| 23:31.16 | zinx | drives me nuts. |
| 23:31.22 | dihymo | i thought that said iterating over the blog and made a cross sign to ward off demons |
| 23:31.52 | amphi | cross signs attract demons |
| 23:32.15 | abrotman | still votes filenames shouldn't have spaces :) |
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| 23:32.30 | dihymo | mine use complex coordinates and e to i |
| 23:32.31 | Tramp | zinx: please, in an empty directory, try "touch "foo bar"; for f in $(ls *); do echo "$f"; done" and tell me, how many lines you see |
| 23:32.35 | zinx | abrotman: psh, no problems with spaces in them, people just need to understand stuff better :D |
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| 23:32.44 | abrotman | Tramp: your first command failed already |
| 23:32.45 | zinx | Tramp: tell me how that is at all relevent to anything said |
| 23:32.49 | christoz | hello , i've just upgraded etch to lenny but OS cannot load nautilus |
| 23:32.55 | abrotman | zinx: too many things break .. |
| 23:33.04 | zinx | Tramp: what was said was no less than: for i in *.zip; do unzip "$i"; done |
| 23:33.07 | abrotman | christoz: did you install gnome? gnome-core? |
| 23:33.28 | abrotman | Tramp: oh .. sorry .. thought you were just quoting the first part |
| 23:33.29 | christoz | no, nothing prompt me to do this |
| 23:33.33 | zinx | Tramp: which is properly not parsing output twice. |
| 23:33.38 | Tramp | zinx: that's not what abrotman said and to which I referred. |
| 23:33.39 | dmoerner | zinx: abrotman said the ls * line first, then i said that line was better. both were said |
| 23:33.47 | zinx | dmoerner: ah |
| 23:33.49 | zinx | nevermind then |
| 23:33.50 | abrotman | Tramp: that is what i said .. but i said you could just quote it |
| 23:34.02 | abrotman | bsund: for i in $(ls *.zip); do unzip $i; done |
| 23:34.02 | zinx | abrotman's an idiot :P |
| 23:34.03 | abrotman | see?! |
| 23:34.03 | christoz | yes gnome |
| 23:34.10 | dihymo | man the days when gnome first came out, there were bazillions of themes i miss propaganda/jfk-dude |
| 23:34.15 | christoz | i use gnome abrotman |
| 23:34.24 | zinx | abrotman: there's absolutely no reason to use ls for that, i should use my LART on you :P |
| 23:34.26 | Tramp | abrotman: [01:26:22] <abrotman> bsund: for i in $(ls *.zip); do unzip $i; done <--- that's to what I reffered. The ls .... |
| 23:34.28 | dihymo | you have to make sure iut's installed |
| 23:34.30 | abrotman | christoz: do you get an error ? |
| 23:34.35 | zinx | Tramp: yeah, never do that. |
| 23:34.35 | xand | umm |
| 23:34.52 | abrotman | i can't believe you two just wasted 10 minutes agreeing very loudly :) |
| 23:35.04 | xand | abrotman: you could replace $(ls *.zip) with *.zip ;P |
| 23:35.13 | dihymo | but for different reasons |
| 23:35.15 | Tramp | abrotman: and the error is the "$(ls *.zip)" which is plain wrong. And I still don't understand, why zinx bashed on me. |
| 23:35.17 | zinx | abrotman: nah, i was disagreeing that filenames with spaces can't be quoted properly |
| 23:35.19 | abrotman | yeah .. i know .. my bad .. take me aobut back and whip me |
| 23:35.25 | zinx | abrotman: they *CAN* be properly quoted, in all cases |
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| 23:35.36 | christoz | abrotman, no, after loggin in the screen freezes with the backgorund color |
| 23:35.37 | abrotman | oh .. you are still disagreeing .. i think |
| 23:35.40 | xand | but it would be better to do find -name "*.zip" -exec unzip {} \; |
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| 23:35.54 | Kovensky | heh |
| 23:35.55 | xand | because the "for" one would break if the files had spaces in their names |
| 23:35.56 | Kovensky | lxde is fine |
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| 23:36.01 | abrotman | christoz: does it work for a different user ? |
| 23:36.06 | Kovensky | I just wonder why it shows generic app icon on the taskbar instead of the true app icon |
| 23:36.16 | christoz | there is only one user assigned |
| 23:36.17 | christoz | me |
| 23:36.30 | abrotman | make a new one to test |
| 23:36.51 | Kovensky | xand: if you want to 'for' in filenames with space, you have to backup IFS, set IFS to $'\n', put the for loop, restore IFS backup |
| 23:36.58 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 23:37.10 | Laeborg|Lap | !centos |
| 23:37.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, centos is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. Check it out at http://www.centos.org/projects/centos, or for IRC support, use #centos @ irc.freenode.net |
| 23:37.15 | Tramp | zinx: And I would really prefer, if you were not patronising me, pretending that I don't know, what I am talking about. Thank you. |
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| 23:37.18 | xand | Kovensky: the filename could have \n in too :P |
| 23:37.21 | zinx | xand: and using find has the advantage of prefixing files with ./ too (which you could do the other way.. but it wasn't done.. :P) |
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| 23:37.32 | Laeborg|Lap | !centos |
| 23:37.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, centos is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. Check it out at http://www.centos.org/projects/centos, or for IRC support, use #centos @ irc.freenode.net |
| 23:37.34 | Kovensky | xand: nope; that $'\n' makes it that it only separates on newlines |
| 23:37.41 | Kovensky | xand: and it is very rare and very stupid to put a newline on the filename |
| 23:37.45 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell Laeborg|Lap -about msg the bot |
| 23:37.47 | zinx | Tramp: i think you didn't know what i'm talking about because i didn't bother to read the entire conversation |
| 23:37.47 | xand | Kovensky: but it's possible. |
| 23:38.01 | xand | the find one won't break on any file name |
| 23:38.04 | Laeborg|Lap | sorry |
| 23:38.05 | zinx | Tramp: and thusly wasn't talking about what you were talking about. |
| 23:38.05 | Tramp | zinx: yes, I realise that now. No offense taken. |
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| 23:38.19 | abrotman | jeez .. i'm sorry .. i'll never write bash again .. can we stop now? |
| 23:38.24 | zinx | hahaha |
| 23:38.39 | dmoerner | 12 minutes long. wow. |
| 23:38.41 | zinx | abrotman: i'll hold you to that :P |
| 23:38.56 | Kovensky | xand: find <glob> <your params> -exec { your command {}; your command {}; } |
| 23:39.00 | Kovensky | xand: not sure if that works tough |
| 23:39.04 | zinx | abrotman: do you also cat file | less? |
| 23:39.19 | xand | Kovensky: I already said what the command was, I'm not asking for anything; :P |
| 23:39.45 | abrotman | zinx: normally no .. but i've done it as an afterthought |
| 23:39.46 | Kovensky | xand: oh... what was it then? :) |
| 23:40.07 | xand | I was answering |
| 23:40.19 | xand | saying not to use a for loop |
| 23:40.34 | Kovensky | xand: I'm asking what was your answer =p |
| 23:40.51 | xand | 2008-09-08 00:35:40 < xand> but it would be better to do find -name "*.zip" -exec unzip {} \; |
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| 23:41.41 | abrotman | oh jeez .. let it go! |
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| 23:42.31 | xand | what's the normal working day in america? 9-5 with an hour for lunch + tea breaks? |
| 23:42.39 | abrotman | tea? |
| 23:42.50 | abrotman | and hardly |
| 23:42.55 | xand | ? |
| 23:43.06 | xand | tea/coffee whatever |
| 23:43.11 | abrotman | points xand to #debian-offtopic temporarily |
| 23:43.18 | abrotman | i know you don't want to .. |
| 23:43.32 | xand | :| |
| 23:43.34 | xand | forget I asked |
| 23:43.39 | abrotman | oh come on .. or msg me |
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| 23:45.36 | bsund | how do i do the 'yes' thing with defined char? |
| 23:46.02 | bsund | that is feed a character |
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| 23:46.19 | bsund | which is not 'y' :) |
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| 23:46.54 | abrotman | yes <string> |
| 23:47.13 | viper5133 | can someone tell me if it's possible to make Debian KDE as fast as Sidux KDE? |
| 23:47.26 | bsund | yes 'char'. ? |
| 23:47.58 | zinx | bsund: if you wanted to answer n instead of y, for example: 'yes n | /sbin/most_dangerous_program' |
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| 23:48.42 | bsund | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 23:49.05 | bsund | zinx you get a thank also :) |
| 23:49.29 | dmoerner | viper5133: sidux kde is debian kde |
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| 23:50.11 | Kovensky | wonders if squeeze will feature kde4.1.1 or kde4.2 |
| 23:50.21 | abrotman | Kovensky: that's a long way off |
| 23:50.30 | Kovensky | abrotman: not 4.1.1 |
| 23:50.35 | jester45 | did they get the name sidux from sid? what happens when sid moves to stable or oldstable? |
| 23:50.36 | abrotman | squeeze is |
| 23:50.40 | Kovensky | abrotman: kde4.2 will be up in january, way before the next stable =p |
| 23:50.42 | abrotman | jester45: that never happens |
| 23:50.50 | abrotman | Kovensky: worry about it in a year or more |
| 23:50.57 | Kovensky | abrotman: lol |
| 23:50.58 | jester45 | unstable is allways called sid? |
| 23:51.05 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:51.09 | Kovensky | jester45: yeah. sid is that guy in Toy Story that breaks the toys |
| 23:51.19 | Kovensky | jester45: like debian sid will do with your box ;) |
| 23:51.20 | abrotman | !sid |
| 23:51.21 | dpkg | methinks sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 23:51.54 | jester45 | i knew the toy story naming sceme |
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| 23:52.38 | viper5133 | ok thanks, i will stick with Debian |
| 23:52.41 | jester45 | so what happens when lenny moves to stable? will they snapshot sid and make a new name? |
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| 23:53.51 | viper5133 | i want to download a version of Debian for my Athlon 64 Dual Core 6400+, 2gb ram, and 512mb Geforce 8800GT video card. Which torrent should I download? |
| 23:54.28 | dmoerner | jester45: squeeze is the new name |
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| 23:54.37 | Sif_ | Hello i have a problem i have a machine with VM and when i configured ipv6 it works from the main machine but i cant connect to irc with it from any other VM any ideas? |
| 23:54.56 | Kovensky | viper5133: the amd64 one |
| 23:55.10 | abrotman | jester45: lenny will be released as "stable" and squeeze will be the new "testing" |
| 23:55.10 | Kovensky | viper5133: and all amd64 kernels are smp enabled, IIRC |
| 23:55.27 | abrotman | viper5133: either i386 or amd64 |
| 23:55.36 | Kovensky | to prevent problems, I did 'sed -i s@lenny@testing@g /etc/apt/sources.list' :) |
| 23:55.44 | abrotman | if it's for a desktop/laptop .. i'd suggest you go with i3386 |
| 23:55.48 | pipeline | viper5133: you want i386 |
| 23:55.52 | viper5133 | what the advantage of the amd64 one? |
| 23:55.54 | dmoerner | viper5133: since you seemed interested in sidux you may want to consider the lenny beta 2 images |
| 23:56.00 | pipeline | viper5133: unless you have >3G of RAM, there is no advantage to amd64. |
| 23:56.08 | Kovensky | pipeline: there is |
| 23:56.17 | pipeline | viper5133: even if you do have a lot of RAM, you're better off using a 64 bit kernel and 32 bit userland. |
| 23:56.20 | pipeline | Kovensky: Nope. |
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| 23:56.26 | Kovensky | pipeline: number crunching apps run faster because of the greater register number and size |
| 23:56.51 | viper5133 | I want a stable system that's easy to deal with. I will deal with speed by using Xfce instead of KDE or Gnome |
| 23:56.53 | Kovensky | pipeline: also, sse2 is granted on amd64; which means any app can use it without worrying with backwards compatibility with 686s |
| 23:57.00 | jester45 | dont crunch numbers, they didnt do anything to do |
| 23:57.27 | pipeline | Kovensky: For most people, those are total non-issues |
| 23:57.28 | jester45 | to you* |
| 23:57.45 | Kovensky | pipeline: it is an issue for me |
| 23:58.00 | pipeline | Kovensky: Oh boy, you mean infrequently used applications get 1% performance boosts? And all I have to give up is wine and flash!? SIGN ME UP! |
| 23:58.04 | Kovensky | pipeline: I could only play 720p decently on my Slowtrom 2800+ after serious speed related tweeks |
| 23:58.12 | viper5133 | Is there any disadvantage to the 64-bit version? |
| 23:58.15 | pipeline | Kovensky: My appleTV playes 720p perfectly well. |
| 23:58.21 | pipeline | viper5133: Software compatibility problems :\ |
| 23:58.23 | Kovensky | pipeline: and you don't have to give up in wine |
| 23:58.25 | jester45 | lol who wants wine :) |
| 23:58.30 | pipeline | viper5133: I use 32 bit debian on my desktop, with a 64 bit kernel. |
| 23:58.31 | amphi | wine and flash? hardly any sacrifice ;) |
| 23:58.34 | abrotman | wait .. wtf does 720p have to do with 64bit? |
| 23:58.35 | Kovensky | pipeline: flash works with nspluginwrapper |
| 23:58.40 | pipeline | abrotman: mplayer runs 1% faster! |
| 23:58.46 | Kovensky | abrotman: mplayer runs 10% faster |
| 23:59.00 | pipeline | viper5133: I have a huge amount of RAM, such that a 32 bit kernel was a problem. You do not. You'll be fine with i386. |
| 23:59.01 | abrotman | but you're on a flipping 2.2Ghz dual core system .. |
| 23:59.09 | pipeline | abrotman: but but but x264! |
| 23:59.12 | zinx | abrotman: h.264 is a freaking whore of a codec. |
| 23:59.21 | pipeline | fun fact, folks |
| 23:59.23 | abrotman | pays for h.264 |
| 23:59.27 | zinx | abrotman: a dual core 2.2GHz system is not enough to play 1080p content with mplayer. |
| 23:59.27 | Kovensky | abrotman: no, I'm not; I'm on a 1720MHz (after overclocking!) single-core system |
| 23:59.29 | pipeline | I can play h.264 content pretty well on my single core appletv |
| 23:59.31 | pipeline | running linux |
| 23:59.43 | Kovensky | pipeline: what chip? intel? |
| 23:59.47 | Sif_ | anyone what might be a problems with ipv6 setup in vm? with irc |
| 23:59.49 | pipeline | Kovensky: Beats me. Cheap, slow, intel. |
| 23:59.55 | Kovensky | pipeline: intel has ssse3, it is great for video encoding/decoding |
| 23:59.59 | pipeline | Sif_: in a vmware vm ? |
