| 00:00.00 | zinx | abrotman: because 1) the decoder it uses is really slow. and 2) it's single core. and 3) it's not hardware accelerated at all for any hardware :P |
| 00:00.08 | pipeline | Kovensky: then you bought the wrong product ? :P |
| 00:00.16 | pipeline | zinx: buy a better decoder ;) |
| 00:00.19 | abrotman | and what do i want to watch that's in h.264? |
| 00:00.30 | pipeline | abrotman: any pirated movie in HD :) |
| 00:00.36 | zinx | pipeline: will the "better" decoder work with <insert my favorite Linux media player here> |
| 00:00.37 | abrotman | oh .. that's why i don't care :) |
| 00:01.01 | pipeline | abrotman: it's the 21st century, mang. Info-mashun wants to be fREE! |
| 00:01.08 | pipeline | zinx: No. Period. :) |
| 00:01.16 | pipeline | zinx: most linux software uses ffmpeg, which is a reference decoder |
| 00:01.20 | viper5133 | Ok, I have no idea which one to download on linuxtracker.org I want one that will fit on a standard CD-R |
| 00:01.26 | pipeline | zinx: individual frame quality is valued over speed of decoding in ffmpeg |
| 00:01.35 | pipeline | zinx: it should be no surprise that it eats some serious CPU time |
| 00:01.39 | jester45 | why decode things? i just watch it coded |
| 00:01.41 | Sif_ | pipeline : VZ |
| 00:01.42 | abrotman | pipeline: i haven't watched half the movies i've bought .. why would i steal them |
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| 00:02.22 | pipeline | abrotman: Clearly you're a consumer whore, since you purchased copyrighted content. Old fogie. You're not with the web 2.0 revolution, ergo you are against it ! |
| 00:02.37 | jester45 | pipeline, what about quad core @ 2.7ghz/ |
| 00:02.41 | pipeline | Sif_: Ok, all bets are off with virtuozzo/openvz. Too many corner cases. |
| 00:02.46 | pipeline | jester45: What about it for what? |
| 00:02.47 | dmoerner | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.50 | dmoerner | argh |
| 00:02.59 | jester45 | it will decode 1080p? |
| 00:03.05 | Sif_ | pipeline : i am able to ping ipv6.google.com , just have a problem with irc |
| 00:03.08 | jester45 | will it* |
| 00:03.26 | zinx | jester45: 64-bit 2.2GHz is right on the line |
| 00:03.34 | zinx | jester45: 2.7GHz will probably do it |
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| 00:03.55 | viper5133 | Can someone please message me and let me know which Debian version on linuxtracker.org is the newest one that will fit on a CD-R Thanks |
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| 00:04.08 | jester45 | zinx, but its quad cored (2 cpu with 2 cores each) |
| 00:04.22 | zinx | jester45: but each core is 2.7GHz. |
| 00:04.24 | abrotman | pipeline: i've bought maybe three movies in a year |
| 00:04.28 | zinx | jester45: ffmpeg can't use multiple cores. |
| 00:04.37 | jester45 | o that sucks |
| 00:04.55 | jester45 | turns seti back on |
| 00:05.30 | jester45 | what if i run 4 ffmpegs to decord 1/4 of the frame |
| 00:06.02 | zinx | good luck with that |
| 00:06.10 | jester45 | lol |
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| 00:07.24 | jester45 | they should make co-processors for everything... mp3 crypto divx phsyics |
| 00:07.45 | pipeline | abrotman: whore |
| 00:08.07 | abrotman | pipeline: you probably spend more on diapers in a week than i do on entertainment in a year |
| 00:08.10 | pipeline | Sif_: I don't want to go there. OpenVZ is riddled with corner cases. |
| 00:08.12 | abrotman | wait .. that's not you :) |
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| 00:08.51 | pipeline | abrotman: I have no idea who you might have mistaken me for. |
| 00:09.00 | pipeline | abrotman: on a related note, I no longer live in muncie :P |
| 00:09.13 | abrotman | pipeline: i swapped you with pickcoder |
| 00:09.18 | abrotman | pipeline: you moved to a sensible town ? |
| 00:09.21 | pipeline | abrotman: That's in his permanent record. |
| 00:09.33 | pipeline | abrotman: Indianapolis passes for sensible. At least there are jobs here. |
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| 00:09.43 | abrotman | and hobos ... oh wait .. nope |
| 00:10.27 | chemist | I have 2 remote shares that I map to at boot time and mount to /media/share1 and /media/share2, how can I make them appear under "Storage Media" in konqueror? |
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| 00:11.48 | octoserver | what is the best chunk size to make my raid partition that will have xfs on it with a mixture of small and large files ? |
| 00:11.55 | octoserver | raid 1 |
| 00:12.13 | abrotman | 42 |
| 00:12.26 | Kovensky | has no idea on how to do raid; he did 3-striped lvm with default chunk size |
| 00:12.26 | abrotman | uhm .. that's a joke |
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| 00:12.54 | pipeline | Kovensky: Uh, yeah. DM raid is, umm, not the recommended way to go. |
| 00:13.02 | pipeline | octoserver: go with the default. |
| 00:13.08 | octoserver | 4k ? |
| 00:13.12 | pipeline | octoserver: Do you have a UPS ? |
| 00:13.15 | octoserver | yea |
| 00:13.24 | cheef-daniel | hi |
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| 00:14.07 | Kovensky | pipeline: 3-stripes + xfs improved my performance a lot |
| 00:14.14 | Kovensky | has a sensitive cpu |
| 00:14.16 | octoserver | i heard that 1024 was good in a raid5 or 6 when you align the FS to the raid, but i havent seen anything about raid1 |
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| 00:14.49 | grendelson | Everytime I reboot (was happening in Etch and now in Lenny) with Nvidia kernel module X fails to start on reboot with a can't find /dev/nvidiactl error. But if I log in to cmd line type modprobe nvidia and restart gdm it works fine! |
| 00:14.58 | pipeline | Kovensky: Yes, but you should have used md. You're in a pretty poorly tested configuration. |
| 00:15.00 | grendelson | I can't figure out why it won't load at boot! |
| 00:15.13 | pipeline | octoserver: OK, then, yes. Pass no argument. Let mkfs.xfs make the decision. |
| 00:15.27 | pipeline | octoserver: XFS fares poorly in a power outage, hence my inquiry as to your UPS |
| 00:15.36 | octoserver | yea i know |
| 00:15.37 | abrotman | pipeline: that's been fixed |
| 00:15.38 | pipeline | I've been using XFS for a long time. It has not been an entirely smooth road. |
| 00:15.51 | abrotman | like in .20 or something IIRC |
| 00:15.53 | jester45 | what wrong with ext2? |
| 00:15.56 | abrotman | supposedly fixed |
| 00:15.59 | pipeline | jester45: Nothing. |
| 00:16.05 | abrotman | jester45: not journaled .. other than that .. nothign |
| 00:16.15 | jester45 | :) |
| 00:16.15 | pipeline | abrotman: even that is not a problem |
| 00:16.20 | Kovensky | pipeline: I still didn't have problems with xfs... and I have no ups |
| 00:16.21 | pipeline | ext3 and ext2 share a common on-disk format |
| 00:16.25 | pipeline | ext3 is just a more sophisticated driver |
| 00:16.26 | jester45 | mine is journaled |
| 00:16.35 | abrotman | not if it's ext2 |
| 00:16.36 | pipeline | Kovensky: Then you are fortunate. |
| 00:16.42 | jester45 | its ext2 |
| 00:16.43 | pipeline | abrotman: ext3 *is* ext2 :X |
| 00:16.50 | abrotman | with a journal |
| 00:16.57 | cheef-daniel | when I set the setuid bit on a directory, login as different user and then create a new directory into it, which user should the new directory now belong to normally? |
| 00:16.58 | jester45 | hehe |
| 00:17.23 | jester45 | not ext3 its ext2 + journal |
| 00:17.37 | abrotman | then it's ext3 |
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| 00:17.53 | jester45 | no i keep my journal on it |
| 00:18.07 | abrotman | talks slower and louder |
| 00:18.11 | jester45 | so i can remember what i did last week |
| 00:18.22 | pipeline | whips out his trout and dribbles |
| 00:18.27 | cheef-daniel | manual says it should belong to the owner of the directory, but it doesn't here. So what I could have did wrong? |
| 00:18.27 | jester45 | lol |
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| 00:18.34 | dcsimon | any reason for brasero to crash when a cd gets inserted? |
| 00:18.47 | jester45 | yes |
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| 00:19.29 | Kovensky | brasero is crashy as hell |
| 00:19.32 | Kovensky | avoids that |
| 00:20.00 | dcsimon | dcsimon is open to recomendations for a substitute |
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| 00:20.35 | dcsimon | what else can I use for cd authoring? |
| 00:20.52 | jester45 | k3b... |
| 00:21.03 | abrotman | dcsimon: brasero or gnomebaker |
| 00:21.13 | abrotman | k3b is for dirty kde users |
| 00:21.21 | Kovensky | dcsimon: wodim? |
| 00:21.33 | jester45 | gnomebaker is the best choice |
| 00:21.33 | smev81 | hello, i can't install the ncurses header files. it misses the right version of ncurses needs ....04 but ....23 is installed. What can i do? |
| 00:21.37 | Kovensky | nautilus-cd-burner, since you appear to be in gnome? |
| 00:21.39 | jelly-home | Kovensky: um, authoring != burning |
| 00:21.39 | dcsimon | abrotman: agreed, I switched from k3b to brasero |
| 00:21.48 | Kovensky | jelly-home: genisoimage then =p |
| 00:22.19 | abrotman | smev81: aptitude update .. try again ? |
| 00:22.29 | smev81 | lets see |
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| 00:22.44 | dcsimon | i'm running xfce 4 as my wm, but most aps tend to be gnome based |
| 00:22.55 | dcsimon | or use its libs |
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| 00:23.45 | smev81 | abrotman: shame on me |
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| 00:24.07 | smev81 | thanks you. |
| 00:24.07 | abrotman | indeed! |
| 00:24.17 | smev81 | :) |
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| 00:28.06 | gpm | hey guys, i have a wireless usb card i am hoping to use with debian. i know it works with the rt73usb and rt2x00usb drivers. is there a way for me to use a businesscard CD or boot from linux using grub and install everything over the 'net? |
| 00:28.29 | abrotman | sure .. if you have a wired connection |
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| 00:28.56 | gpm | ok, but no way to do it wirelessly huh? |
| 00:29.17 | cheef-daniel | hm I think I have the wrong manual of chmod |
| 00:29.26 | abrotman | make a custom netinst ? |
| 00:29.53 | gpm | ok, that's what i figured. |
| 00:29.54 | coll | is there a debian package for e17+EFL libs? |
| 00:30.29 | abrotman | there are some e17 packages in experimental .. no idea what EFL is |
| 00:31.02 | coll | efl are the foundation libraries for e17. they are necessary so most of the feats work. |
| 00:31.26 | coll | abrotman, do you have a link or something about those experimental pkgs? |
| 00:31.37 | abrotman | packages.debian.org/e17 |
| 00:31.44 | abrotman | they're likely old .. and marginally broken |
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| 00:32.53 | phyburn | there is no way to get emerge on debian right? lol |
| 00:33.00 | phyburn | I think emerge > apt-get |
| 00:33.33 | abrotman | then use gentoo |
| 00:34.18 | phyburn | I've just been using debian forever so I'm really familiar with where everything is =/ |
| 00:36.12 | abrotman | then you know about apt-build? |
| 00:36.29 | abrotman | i don't really see the problem .. if you want emerge .. use gentoo .. if you like debian .. use debian |
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| 00:38.49 | octoserver | what can i run to check the XFS Filesystem |
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| 00:47.47 | Vi^3PP | hey i am trying to install debian ontwo machines ibm netvista 6793 and an imac but i cant get either one to boot from cd |
| 00:48.26 | dmoerner | octoserver: fsck.xfs? its in xfsprogs |
| 00:48.39 | abrotman | Vi^3PP: the netvista is x86? |
| 00:49.11 | octoserver | i realized now that i didnt have any utils that handle xfs installed |
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| 00:57.21 | Vi^3PP | abrotman: yesteh netvista is a P4 wth 1 gb ram |
| 00:57.37 | abrotman | Vi^3PP: do the CDs boot in other machines? |
| 00:57.43 | abrotman | the imac is PPC or x86? |
| 00:58.09 | Vi^3PP | the web shows alot of ppl trying to get cd boots but for me changing the bios boot order has not worked. It just bypasses the cd and goes straight to xp |
| 00:58.19 | Vi^3PP | im guessing its ppc |
| 00:58.29 | Vi^3PP | intel linux live cd does not work |
| 00:58.43 | Vi^3PP | there are no markings that tell if is is older or newer box |
| 00:58.53 | Vi^3PP | the box is locked down with a password and i dont have it |
| 01:00.34 | abrotman | Vi^3PP: you could clear the bios .. |
| 01:00.46 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 01:00.51 | Vi^3PP | ive reset it nvram on the imac |
| 01:00.57 | abrotman | so neither bootable CD works ? |
| 01:01.20 | Vi^3PP | the only way i can tell to reset the password is with an install osx disc but dont have one and that is why i was shooting for linux install |
| 01:01.26 | Vi^3PP | nope |
| 01:01.47 | Vi^3PP | and i tried another cd that i am positive that works that is x86 |
| 01:01.57 | dcsimon | Vi^3PP: is the password a bios pass or system? |
| 01:02.06 | Vi^3PP | imac is system |
| 01:04.02 | abrotman | Vi^3PP: and the other bootable disc worked ? |
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| 01:05.20 | Vi^3PP | nono b ootableswork on either machine |
| 01:05.57 | hatter | can i make it so a dual core processor will not use 100% of both cores ? so perhaps a thread cannot consume both cores ? |
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| 01:06.23 | hatter | or make a particular process only available to one core ? |
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| 01:07.34 | stanis_sh | hello. I have two questions: 1) is it possible to get hardware sound mixing working at hda-intel (sigmatel |
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| 01:07.38 | stanis_sh | Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) |
| 01:07.44 | stanis_sh | ? |
| 01:08.56 | stanis_sh | and the second one: if no, how can I setup the software sound mixer for it at debian/lenny (2.6.26-1)? |
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| 01:19.39 | mns_ | Does anyone know how to turn off the laptop beep ? Ever since I've got 2.6.26 it seems to have gotten enabled (or maybe it was not working and now it is, I don't know). I've got Debian/testing running on a ThinkPad T60p |
| 01:19.49 | Kovensky | mns_: rmmod pcspkr |
| 01:19.58 | Kovensky | mns_: don't remember how to make it permanent |
| 01:20.08 | abrotman | !bell |
| 01:20.09 | dpkg | somebody said bell was "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell, or for .26 and newer modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module |
| 01:21.31 | mns_ | aha it is the snd-pcsp module .. thanks |
| 01:21.53 | abrotman | !tell Kovensky about rmmod |
| 01:22.07 | Kovensky | abrotman: oh |
| 01:22.10 | Kovensky | I'm just used to it =p |
| 01:22.17 | Kovensky | I'll "alias rmmod='modprobe -r'" then |
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| 01:27.03 | christoz | hello i'm encountering a problem , please check the outpup @ http://www.pastebin.ca/1196860 |
| 01:27.27 | christoz | I've just upgrade etch to lenny |
| 01:28.53 | abrotman | comment out that command in /var/lib/dpkg/info/docbook-xml.postinst |
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| 01:29.03 | abrotman | update-xmlcatalog |
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| 01:30.23 | mns_ | christoz, did you try doing 'aptitude full-upgrade' ? |
| 01:30.37 | christoz | mns_, no |
| 01:30.38 | abrotman | it's an error in the postinst |
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| 01:32.35 | christoz | abrotman, comment out which command? |
| 01:33.18 | stew | aaa/win 42 |
| 01:33.21 | stew | err |
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| 01:34.02 | mns_ | christoz: 'update-xmlcatalog' .. is the command to comment out. I think that the doing a 'aptitude update' followed by 'aptitude full-upgrade should take care of your needs. I'd try that before playing with the postinst script. |
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| 01:35.59 | mns_ | that's just my opinion. I don't think users should be editing postinst or preinst scripts. |
| 01:37.27 | christoz | mns_, what are you saying is that executing the aptitude full-upgrade command, the programm will comment out for me |
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| 01:37.29 | christoz | ? |
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| 01:37.44 | abrotman | christoz: the one it errors on |
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| 01:41.21 | christoz | abrotman, there are more than one update-xmlcatalog(sorry for the disturb but i've never been in this file before) |
| 01:41.30 | abrotman | comment all out |
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| 01:43.18 | pothibo | Hey I got a problem with my wifi card and my booting sequence... http://pastebin.com/m5b3b879f when I reboot my computer, when the boot sequences arrives @ loading /etc/network/interfaces, the pre-up command results in error that wlan0 is not defined... and I have to restart the service in order to make it work... any idea on how I could make tihs to work ? |
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| 01:45.41 | castoff | if i want to list all available packages 1 per line what command do i use? |
| 01:47.01 | dmoerner | castoff: apt-cache dumpavail | grep ^Package: |
| 01:47.20 | dmoerner | or aptitude search ~T if you also want descriptions |
| 01:47.27 | hatter | why would raid-resync be showing as a process in top but not in htop ? |
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| 01:48.30 | castoff | dmoerner: thanks exactly what i needed...i can just never remember that |
| 01:49.08 | stew | castoff: grep-available . |
| 01:49.50 | stew | or maybe 'grep-available -s Package .' |
| 01:49.56 | castoff | on the aptitude command how to i extend the line so it isn';t cut short on the description? |
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| 01:50.06 | flapz | hi |
| 01:50.30 | flapz | is open office monolithic? is it feasable to have just calc and not all the other apps? |
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| 01:51.01 | castoff | nm i got it |
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| 01:51.36 | stew | flapz: aptitude install openoffice.org-calc |
| 01:51.56 | castoff | hum...maybe i don't but i'll play with it |
| 01:52.08 | flapz | stew: sweet, you cant do that in gentoo |
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| 01:52.50 | jon_ | despite the following entry in the 70-persistent-net.rules file, udev renames eth0 to eth1: SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:11:2f:13:b9:e9", NAME="eth0" |
| 01:53.43 | jon_ | any other places i should look ? |
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| 01:54.11 | christoz | abrotman, ok fixed, but what happened there? |
| 01:54.42 | abrotman | christoz: someone else had the same problem .. the upgrade doens't happen cleanly .. i'm sure there's already a bug about it |
| 01:55.08 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=482140 |
| 01:55.17 | christoz | abrotman, what is the need of xmlcatalog btw? |
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| 01:55.30 | stew | i was trying to use gentoo today, but it was way more of a pain than just regular old mc, which did everyting i needed with fewer bugs than gentoo |
| 01:55.52 | abrotman | christoz: honestly .. no idea |
| 01:55.54 | tabris|away | running debian lenny, just ran apt-get dist-upgrade. having a keyboard problem. Sometimes the up/down, insert, etc keys don't work. |
| 01:56.06 | tabris|away | works perfectly in X |
| 01:56.07 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.07 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.12 | tabris|away | just in console it's wrong. |
| 01:56.15 | christoz | abrotman, ok, thank you very much |
| 01:56.16 | tabris|away | wish i knew more |
| 01:56.50 | tabris|away | Insert never works, except the one on my numpad does (if i turn numlock off) |
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| 01:58.35 | tabris|away | the arrow keys were working a minute ago... but now are not again. |
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| 01:59.26 | tabris|away | gonna try replacing the batteries in this keyboard... not that i expect that to work |
| 02:00.11 | tabris|away | nope |
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| 02:07.00 | dudeman | gentoo works fairly well for what I need |
| 02:07.04 | cplx | anyone here used any Sun StorageTek products? |
| 02:07.10 | dudeman | its dual pane, has all the features I require and then some |
| 02:07.18 | dudeman | though you can't argue mc is top notch as well |
| 02:07.43 | dudeman | stew, though which bugs plagued you rearding gentoo? |
| 02:09.41 | stew | dudeman: sometimes when i clicked on "copy" i seemed to do nothing, when i clicked on "delete" it would only delete the first of the items I hilighted. it choked on a odd filename |
| 02:10.19 | dudeman | which version? |
| 02:10.37 | dudeman | (seems to work here) |
| 02:10.41 | stew | dudeman: there was no way to copy a directory recursively that I could find |
| 02:10.51 | stew | 0.11.56-1+b1 |
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| 02:11.45 | dudeman | It's really that simple. Most of these built-in (or native) commands automatically operate recursively on directories, so you could copy (or move) a whole directory of files by just selecting it and then clicking "Copy". <-- straight from the manpage |
| 02:11.47 | Amranu | so, is the latest flash updates not working on iceweasel in Sid for anyone else? |
| 02:11.53 | dudeman | stew, you have checked for bugs on BTS I assume? |
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| 02:12.19 | stew | dudeman: when i clicked copy it only seemingly ran 'mkdir' for the first of the selected directories and stopped |
| 02:12.41 | dudeman | it could be a bug... |
| 02:12.47 | dudeman | well.. it IS a bug |
| 02:13.00 | dudeman | its not supposed to that :) |
| 02:13.02 | stew | i checked the bts, only saw minor bugs and figured was just that i didn't understand it and happily moved on to mc |
| 02:13.09 | abrotman | xfe! |
| 02:13.19 | dudeman | yeh, mc is the shit anyway... gentoo is too cute. |
| 02:13.33 | Amranu | no one else? |
| 02:13.40 | dudeman | Amranu, whats the issue? |
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| 02:14.00 | Amranu | for the last two or three flash updates, iceweasel has acted as if flash is not installed at all |
| 02:14.11 | dudeman | Amranu, about:plugins ? |
| 02:14.22 | abrotman | Amranu: gnome? |
| 02:14.31 | dudeman | does it show up? |
| 02:14.43 | Amranu | nope, not there |
| 02:14.48 | dudeman | ok |
| 02:14.50 | dudeman | how did you install flash? |
| 02:14.52 | abrotman | Amranu: ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so .. what does it point to ? |
| 02:14.56 | Amranu | I should mention I'm on 64-bit |
| 02:15.03 | dudeman | ahh well there you go |
| 02:15.11 | abrotman | it apparently worked before ... |
| 02:15.13 | dudeman | you have to emulate it 32bit via nspluginwrapper |
| 02:15.14 | Amranu | it's worked for me fine before |
| 02:15.19 | dudeman | really? |
| 02:15.21 | Amranu | yes |
| 02:15.24 | abrotman | Amranu: ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so .. what does it point to ? |
| 02:15.27 | Amranu | they set that all up, it's automated now |
| 02:15.29 | abrotman | or does it even exist? |
| 02:15.35 | Amranu | one sec |
| 02:15.48 | dudeman | who setup automatically? |
| 02:16.02 | Amranu | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 46 Aug 31 08:26 /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so -> /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so |
| 02:16.20 | dudeman | there is flash for amd64 now? |
| 02:16.27 | dudeman | without nspluginwrapper or a 32bit FF ? |
| 02:16.32 | abrotman | Amranu: and that file it points at .. exists right ? |
| 02:16.36 | Amranu | the apt install script sets up all the nspluginwrapper |
| 02:16.40 | dudeman | oh |
| 02:17.01 | Amranu | yep |
| 02:17.10 | dudeman | I never used debian packages for it |
| 02:17.22 | dudeman | I just simply download flash unpack to ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 02:17.52 | abrotman | Amranu: if you google 'flash version test' .. there's an adobe.com page that tries to get that out .. can you try it ? |
| 02:17.57 | dudeman | and then you link nspluginwrapper to libflashplayer and voila... that autostuff eek! |
| 02:18.00 | abrotman | also check about:plugins to make sure some flash is there |
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| 02:18.07 | dudeman | abrotman, he said flash isn't there |
| 02:18.10 | Amranu | there isn't any flash there |
| 02:18.11 | dudeman | that was the first thing I asked him |
| 02:18.20 | abrotman | but it would just show nspluginwrapper anyways? |
| 02:18.26 | abrotman | since it's not a real plugin for firefox? |
| 02:18.30 | abrotman | iceweasel .. wahtever |
| 02:18.33 | Amranu | doesn't show either |
| 02:18.51 | pothibo | Why does /etc/network/interfaces never applies all the rule I wrote there? it's always messing up with my bridge and my interface.. but if I enter those command by hand, it works 100% |
| 02:19.44 | Amranu | I've downgraded to the current etch version using dpkg and it works fine |
| 02:19.50 | Amranu | but yeah, kinda annoying |
| 02:20.01 | Amranu | comes up with updates available all the time |
| 02:20.17 | dudeman | ... |
| 02:20.44 | dudeman | !seen rahul |
| 02:20.45 | dpkg | rahul <n=rjain@66-234-32-150.nyc.cable.nyct.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 12h 50m 41s ago, saying: 'idiot'. |
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| 02:21.00 | abrotman | he's not going to be around for awhile |
| 02:21.14 | dudeman | what? why? |
| 02:21.18 | dudeman | did I get him in trouble? |
| 02:21.21 | dudeman | :( |
| 02:21.43 | Amranu | so, guess I'm stuck? :P |
| 02:21.48 | dudeman | nah man |
| 02:21.51 | dudeman | we'll figure it out |
| 02:21.54 | dudeman | relax |
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| 02:22.15 | dudeman | Amranu, just a hunch, perhaps for some odd reason your nspluginwrapper isn't linked to the flash player |
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| 02:22.43 | dudeman | Amranu, just try sudo nspluginwrapper -i /path/to/flashplayerlib.so thingy |
| 02:22.53 | dudeman | and restart iw and go to about:plugins |
| 02:24.28 | Amranu | haha, thanks |
| 02:24.42 | Amranu | wonder what happened with that part, usually does that automatically :P |
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| 02:25.43 | dudeman | :) |
| 02:25.48 | dudeman | so its all good now? |
| 02:26.10 | dudeman | fuckig moth flying around man its pissin me off |
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| 02:27.01 | Amranu | yep |
| 02:27.54 | dudeman | cool |
| 02:28.24 | dudeman | yeh thats why I don't dig the auto isntall script bullshit like I said previously. Usually auto scripts fuck up and then I'm wondering wtf |
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| 02:28.40 | abrotman | Amranu: you may want to see if you can reproduce it .. and file a bug if you can |
| 02:28.41 | dudeman | so I take it all manually and this way i know which steps are taken and troubleshooting is easiser |
| 02:28.52 | dudeman | yes abrotman that would be a fine idea |
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| 02:29.12 | abrotman | !beer mentor |
| 02:29.13 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Piraat for mentor |
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| 02:29.33 | mentor | arg |
| 02:29.38 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:30.31 | mentor | is currently using graphite as a TIM for his CPU & heatsink |
| 02:30.38 | mentor | It appears to be wokring |
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| 02:31.09 | abrotman | like .. graphite grease? |
| 02:31.21 | mentor | No. A straight sheet of graphite. |
| 02:31.23 | abrotman | like for a bike |
| 02:31.26 | abrotman | oh .. |
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| 02:32.35 | dudeman | mentor! |
| 02:32.40 | mentor | dude! |
| 02:32.42 | dudeman | The mentor |
| 02:32.44 | dudeman | :) |
| 02:32.50 | dudeman | whats going on buddy long time no see |
| 02:33.21 | dudeman | oh oh oh |
| 02:33.25 | dudeman | DE mentor ;) |
| 02:33.42 | dudeman | is that word? demontor? I have no idea sounds cool though |
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| 02:34.03 | dudeman | oh yeh, dementors from harry potter |
| 02:34.07 | mentor | Yes, sometimes I use that when someone has stolen my nick elsenet |
| 02:34.12 | dudeman | hehe :) |
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| 02:36.16 | dudeman | I wonder what david is upto these |
| 02:36.22 | dudeman | been a while... |
| 02:36.24 | dudeman | !seen damog |
| 02:36.24 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'damog', dudeman |
| 02:36.30 | cplx | anyone here used any Sun StorageTek products? |
| 02:36.31 | dudeman | dpkg, you suck |
| 02:36.31 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 02:36.47 | dudeman | cplx, possibly, what your question? |
| 02:37.06 | pothibo | I have an issue with /etc/network/interfaces, it doesn't load my wlanconfig instruction on pre-up... I have to do it by hand... I tried to do pre-up sleep 5 to give it time.. but still NOTHING.. anyone got ideas? |
| 02:37.30 | cplx | dudeman - possibly...... well I have configured the Replicator software between 2 different NAS's in a mirror configuration - need some assistance with setting delays etc |
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| 02:38.41 | dudeman | cplx, thats more like it. I can't help you but now that you've asked, I'm sure someone else could possibly |
| 02:39.01 | abrotman | cplx: isn't that software for solaris .. not linux? |
| 02:39.27 | cplx | abrotman - yes correct. Noone knows in the solaris chan so I thought I would ask globally.. for anyone who might of come across it |
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| 02:40.35 | abrotman | cplx: unsure if it's an emergency .. but i used to get way better help from the comp.os.unix.solaris or whatever the newsgroup was |
| 02:40.47 | pobega | Hi, does anyone have any tips for CPU Frequency scaling in Lenny? I am trying to preserve battery life but I can't get it to work |
| 02:40.49 | cplx | abrotman - no worries, thanks |
| 02:40.57 | abrotman | maybe just comp.os.solaris |
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| 02:41.42 | abrotman | cplx: also consider asking #solaris tomorrow morning (US/Eastern morning) |
| 02:42.50 | cplx | abrotman - I asked just before and remembered.. it just a chan full of arrogant geeks |
| 02:43.01 | dudeman | I was hangin out with a solaris jockey today in the city |
| 02:43.15 | cplx | lol |
| 02:43.17 | dudeman | brilliant guy |
| 02:43.18 | abrotman | cplx: well .. besides that .. i'd ask again tomorrow |
| 02:43.25 | dudeman | hey listen |
| 02:43.26 | cplx | abrotman - yea will do - cheers |
| 02:43.31 | dudeman | I'm ... well |
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| 02:43.45 | dudeman | so far I've only got pypanel and xterm in my xinitrc |
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| 02:44.09 | dudeman | is there like a right/left click desktop menu thingy I can add also (I am using compiz-fusion as standalone WM) |
| 02:44.38 | dudeman | or somesort of a like a shortcut panel type thingy? I dunno minimal X panel stuff (py panel is so far not featueful for me) |
| 02:44.44 | dudeman | any suggestions would be very welcome |
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| 02:47.02 | eorlroe | dudeman: Sounds like blackbox. (I know that doesn't answer your question... but...) |
| 02:47.36 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:48.11 | chomwitt | I have stable. But i want to install rt73-module-2.6.26.. packages to have support for a usb wifi . Can i change only my kernel without messing my system? |
| 02:48.46 | Swat2 | can someone please help me with XORG + ATI Rage XL Video card + 1920x1200 resolution.. I cant seem to have any luck getting the right resolution |
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| 02:50.10 | wols_ | Swat2: does your card have >8MB videoram? |
| 02:50.28 | Swat2 | wols_: it has 8mb exactly |
| 02:50.47 | wols_ | Swat2: won't work then. your res times 4 is more than 8MB IIRC |
| 02:50.59 | Swat2 | i see.. |
| 02:51.03 | eorlroe | chomwitt: Yeah, you just have to watch out for a libc6 upgrade. |
| 02:51.06 | wols_ | Swat2: look at your Xorg logs |
| 02:51.24 | eorlroe | chomwitt: Otherwise, you can just install the new kernel and try it. |
| 02:51.39 | eorlroe | chomwitt: If it fails, you boot to your 'stable' kernel. |
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| 02:52.19 | dudeman | hm |
| 02:52.21 | dudeman | what? |
| 02:52.27 | dudeman | ohh.. no no no |
| 02:52.32 | dudeman | a WM won't do |
| 02:52.46 | abrotman | isn't compiz a WM ? |
| 02:53.05 | eorlroe | dudeman: Sorry, I just looked up a YouTube demo of compiz. I see where you're coming from. |
| 02:53.52 | Swat2 | wols_: (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1920x1200" (insufficient memory for mode) |
| 02:53.58 | Swat2 | Thank you for your simple explaination :) |
| 02:54.14 | wols_ | Swat2: if you use 16bit color it could work |
| 02:54.19 | Swat2 | hrmm |
| 02:54.37 | abrotman | bah .. 256 colors ought to be enough for anyone |
| 02:54.41 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:54.44 | dudeman | eorlroe, because... WHAT!? |
| 02:54.46 | dudeman | man |
| 02:54.47 | Swat2 | heh abrotman |
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| 02:54.52 | dudeman | go bak to your 8bit nintendo |
| 02:54.55 | dudeman | lol |
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| 02:55.03 | Swat2 | dudeman: i still have a trs80 :/ |
| 02:55.09 | chomwitt | eorlroe: the linux-image-2.6.26 comes as i know with many modules (newer version propably) .Will that cause problems? |
| 02:55.14 | dudeman | eorlroe, anyway as I was saying.. compiz-fusion itself is a WM |
| 02:55.18 | dudeman | so another wm won't do :) |
| 02:55.20 | wols_ | dudeman: you shohuld go back to a keyboard without enter key |
| 02:55.33 | dudeman | wols_, dude you should just type /ignore dudeman and call it a night |
| 02:55.44 | dudeman | I'm not down with yoru bs tonight, capice? |
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| 02:56.29 | dudeman | (I really don't want to install xfce4panel or gnome panel) but I need a panel what to do! help me find a panel guys |
| 02:56.40 | Swat2 | Eureka! 16bit ftw! |
| 02:56.44 | abrotman | there are other panels |
| 02:56.52 | dudeman | abrotman, could you name a few fo rme? |
| 02:57.33 | dudeman | btw I did a search on 'panel' in apt, not much luck |
| 02:57.47 | JordiGH | dude101: Not much luck? More like too much luck. |
| 02:57.48 | Swat2 | cheers wols_ :) |
| 02:57.48 | abrotman | !info fspanel etch |
| 02:58.03 | dudeman | yeh i tried it |
| 02:58.05 | dudeman | didn't like it much |
| 02:58.09 | dpkg | fspanel: (minimalist panel for X), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.7-6 (etch), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 02:58.15 | abrotman | among others |
| 02:58.25 | dudeman | ok, here is my requirements maybe you can recomend somethin based on your experience |
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| 02:58.50 | dudeman | I am looking for something wher eI can have a application/debian menu popup and have active tasks in a taskbar and a shortcut panel |
| 02:58.53 | abrotman | not compiz for starters :) |
| 02:58.54 | dudeman | just 3 things |
| 02:59.00 | dudeman | heh shaddup |
| 02:59.03 | abrotman | !info matchbox-panel |
| 02:59.11 | dudeman | uhuh matchbox eh |
| 02:59.33 | dpkg | matchbox-panel: (desktop panel for resource-limited systems), section embedded, is optional. Version: 0.9.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 76 kB, Installed size: 292 kB |
| 03:00.20 | abrotman | never used it .. |
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| 03:03.27 | quitte | ugh. I'm supposedto buy a graphical casio calculator. and it seems casio still uses those crazy pseudo color lcd displays. |
| 03:03.57 | xoz | dudeman: openbox+pypanel |
| 03:06.17 | abrotman | waves |
| 03:06.44 | quitte | and even though i know it's totally offtopic. those freaking calculators cost thrice the us prices here! |
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| 03:08.06 | vyrus001 | anybody else havin issues burning testing cd's? |
| 03:08.18 | quitte | the school seems to have a contract so i'm forced to buy all new books. because apparently it's hard to use books that have been available for years |
| 03:08.26 | quitte | vyrus001: what kind of issues? |
| 03:08.32 | vyrus001 | i seem to keep running into problems with lenny net install cd's |
| 03:08.40 | vyrus001 | they keep not booting for some reason |
| 03:08.47 | vyrus001 | ive gotten a biz card cd to boot |
| 03:08.53 | vyrus001 | but that takes alot longer |
| 03:09.37 | quitte | vyrus001: ok. how did you burn them? |
| 03:09.45 | dudeman | hey man not openbox |
| 03:09.45 | dudeman | ff |
| 03:10.08 | vyrus001 | quitte: off my mac usin disk utility |
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| 03:10.21 | dudeman | #!/bin/bash \n xterm & \n pypanel \n fusion-icon \n |
| 03:10.44 | quitte | vyrus001: ah. my guess is that you now have a data cd containig a file named lennyblablabla.iso? |
| 03:10.55 | quitte | (stupid disk util) |
| 03:10.58 | vyrus001 | no lol i burned the disk correctly |
| 03:11.44 | quitte | vyrus001: ok. can you still boot the biz cd? or is your question more along the lines off how do i boot fr4om a cd with a mac? |
| 03:11.51 | vyrus001 | quitte: i think its a problem with the img |
| 03:13.03 | pothibo_ | If I have a webserver on a debian box, what would be the best idea for permissions and etc. about apache, because for developping I have to send stuff through root privilege right now.. |
| 03:13.15 | pothibo_ | would it be good idea to chmod /var/www ? |
| 03:13.21 | quitte | vyrus001: the biz installer doesn't take a lot longer than netinstall. it just has theadditional steps of loading the installer components. so a little more delays before you can start partiioning. so i'd recommend just using the working cd unless it is outdated |
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| 03:13.59 | The_Kernel | what is the proper way to add an alias to the hosts file? |
| 03:14.10 | The_Kernel | I added one and it doesn't work for other computers on the same subnet |
| 03:14.57 | quitte | The_Kernel: that's because the hosts file isn'T propagated to other machines. use a local nameserver instead. or ldap. or nis. |
| 03:15.09 | xoz | The_Kernel: you have to add it to every computers unless you place it in a dns server |
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| 03:15.21 | The_Kernel | I see |
| 03:17.10 | quitte | The_Kernel: or look into avahi. imho zeroconf is the nicest way to handle hotnames in a small network |
| 03:17.10 | quitte | The_Kernel: tried connecting to hostname.local already? |
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| 03:17.19 | jester45 | The_Kernel, do you remember me? |
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| 03:17.55 | The_Kernel | yes |
| 03:17.56 | The_Kernel | lol |
| 03:18.01 | The_Kernel | what's up? |
| 03:18.14 | jester45 | school and work |
| 03:18.24 | The_Kernel | Same here |
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| 03:19.31 | dudeman | this is what I basically have in my hey |
| 03:19.32 | jester45 | its quite now |
| 03:19.49 | dudeman | matbox-panel doesn't display a taskbar control |
| 03:19.55 | dudeman | its not anywhere in ints utilities |
| 03:19.56 | dudeman | wtf |
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| 03:20.24 | dudeman | and pypanel doesn't have application launcher, not even in the config file, I enabled it for [5] panel but no dice |
| 03:20.25 | quitte | dudeman: dpkg -l matchbox-panel|grep bin |
| 03:20.31 | dudeman | ? |
| 03:20.50 | dudeman | you mean -L |
| 03:20.51 | dudeman | ? |
| 03:21.04 | dmoerner | dudeman: pypanel does have application launcher |
| 03:21.15 | quitte | dudeman: maybe. but i guess it's bogus because you already knowwhat to execute? |
| 03:21.16 | dudeman | yeh i know I tried to enable it but it doesn't sho wup |
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| 03:21.27 | dudeman | quitte, yes I've already tried it :) |
| 03:21.31 | dmoerner | dudeman: by default it only has gimp in there, so if you don't have gimp nothing would show up |
| 03:21.33 | guyzmo | hi |
| 03:21.41 | dudeman | dmoerner, I saw that part too |
| 03:21.53 | dudeman | dmoerner, so there is no way to get the debian 'menu' package entries in there? |
| 03:22.05 | dudeman | I just need the debian menu |
| 03:22.08 | dmoerner | dudeman: you can't get a menu in pypanel like that, to my knowledge |
| 03:22.17 | dmoerner | you can hack up a menu-methods file, i guess |
| 03:22.22 | dudeman | hm |
| 03:22.41 | dudeman | see the freakin matchbox panel has application launcher it shows the debian menu |
| 03:22.59 | dmoerner | have you considered lxpanel? it doesn't use debian menu but it has a pretty good setup |
| 03:23.07 | dudeman | let me see |
| 03:23.13 | jester45 | maybe menumaker + a script to convert it into a pypanel config |
| 03:23.23 | neonlightning | menumaker might have one for matchbox |
| 03:23.26 | dudeman | hmm |
| 03:23.27 | dudeman | wait |
| 03:23.41 | jester45 | or matchbox what ever your using |
| 03:23.44 | dudeman | I'm u sing compiz-fusion as a window manager.. what if I use wmaker panel and thingies |
| 03:23.48 | neonlightning | mind you i can't get menumaker to run these days so my fluxbox menu is rather empty |
| 03:23.48 | dudeman | u think they would work? |
| 03:24.58 | dudeman | let me try awn ;0 |
| 03:25.37 | quitte | does someone here happen to know the url for amazon australia? |
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| 03:27.33 | dmoerner | quitte: none exists: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080523210301AADVTL7 |
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| 03:28.20 | quitte | dmoerner: damn. i need to make friends at the army base. |
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| 03:37.38 | xoz | wah, google chrome destroy lives: http://gizmodo.com/5046344/google-chrome-fatal-flaw-discovered-will-destroy-lives-dignities |
| 03:37.53 | xoz | :) |
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| 03:45.32 | neonlightning | what provieds /usr/bin/ld because mine seems to be broken both the man and the info for it show up as random characters and anything i try and ./configure so i can compile says i either can't compile or can't run binaries and the config.log shows its an error at /usr/bin/ld |
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| 03:46.14 | dmoerner | neonlightning: binutils |
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| 03:53.07 | viper5133 | Can someone please tell me which of these debian torrents I should download? I don't want it to be more than 700mb. Link: http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrents&search=&category=22&active=1 |
| 03:53.50 | stew | viper5133: the netinst, assuming you are on i396 |
| 03:53.54 | stew | i386* |
| 03:54.10 | viper5133 | which one is the netinst? |
| 03:54.51 | dude101 | viper5133: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
| 03:55.38 | stew | viper5133: the netinst is the only one with "netinst" in the filename |
| 03:55.41 | dmoerner | viper5133: you mentioned earlier you were considering sidux. since it seems like you might like newer software you might want to checkout out the lenny images |
| 03:55.58 | netdaemon | mmm sidux |
| 03:57.04 | dude101 | i use lenny, i love it |
| 03:57.27 | viper5133 | I just want a stable fast system, so I am going to run Xfce and the most stable Debian |
| 03:57.43 | viper5133 | Is there a torrent of Debian that is 700mb or less? |
| 03:57.45 | dmoerner | in that case, use etch (4.0r4 netinst is what you want) |
| 03:57.53 | dude101 | viper5133: goto that link above, get etch. |
| 03:58.14 | dude101 | lenny is good tho |
| 03:58.25 | dude101 | etch is, even sarge is still good. |
| 03:58.42 | dude101 | i used sarge a few months ago on laptop, runs sweet |
| 03:58.55 | netdaemon | sid runs alright most of the time |
| 03:58.57 | viper5133 | but where is 4.0f4 torrent that is 700mb or less? |
| 03:59.11 | dude101 | what Arc? |
| 03:59.49 | dude101 | viper5133: just goto your arch and download the netinst.iso |
| 03:59.56 | dmoerner | viper5133: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 04:00.13 | dude101 | or CD-1.iso |
| 04:00.26 | dude101 | the rest are package CD's |
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| 04:01.56 | viper5133 | So i should download this one? debian-40r4a-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 04:02.05 | dude101 | yeah |
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| 04:02.44 | dude101 | that'll be a full install. but you can configure another apt during the installation. i suggest just using the one you have |
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| 04:03.12 | dude101 | and then apt-get upgrade, when your up running |
| 04:03.19 | viper5133 | another apt? what do you mean? |
| 04:03.44 | viper5133 | Can I just install it off the disk and then upgrade after it's up and running? |
| 04:04.03 | dude101 | you will be asked if have another source you want to add for the installation, ftp/http. |
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| 04:04.39 | dude101 | so using the first CD you have an option of ftp/http or packages on CD |
| 04:04.56 | viper5133 | do I have to add another source? I can only download unlimited mbs from 12am - 3am with my satellite internet service |
| 04:05.11 | dude101 | no |
| 04:05.30 | dude101 | all packages neccesary for base system will be on the first CD |
| 04:05.42 | viper5133 | What would be the best way to utilize my 3 hours unlimited download time frame? |
| 04:06.10 | viper5133 | I download at 200kbs/sec |
| 04:06.16 | dude101 | apt-get upgrade, when you have an open window |
| 04:06.55 | viper5133 | and apt-get upgrade will overwrite any older version from the disk? |
| 04:07.12 | dudeman | you know |
| 04:07.15 | dudeman | I gave up |
| 04:07.30 | dude101 | yeah it'll upgrade the system to stable latest, just like a netinstall would |
| 04:07.37 | dude101 | without the hassles |
| 04:07.40 | dudeman | I haven't used xfce since sarge/4.0, and its nice. Now its upto like 4.4 or something, very very good |
| 04:07.44 | dudeman | and so light weight |
| 04:08.07 | dude101 | xfce i cant get used to it, i prefer gnome always have |
| 04:08.25 | viper5133 | Can I pick xfce or gnome from that disc? Or do I have to download Xfce seperately with apt get? |
| 04:09.01 | neonlightning | fluxbox all the way here |
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| 04:10.14 | dmoerner | viper5133: grab the xfce cd if you want xfce and dont want to worry about installing it yourself |
| 04:10.26 | dude101 | i think so yeah, |
| 04:11.01 | viper5133 | which is the xfce torrent? |
| 04:12.07 | viper5133 | Is this it: debian-40r4a-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 04:12.20 | dude101 | just download the ftp/http, sod the torrent |
| 04:12.39 | viper5133 | But is that the xfce torrent? debian-40r4a-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 04:12.46 | dude101 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 04:12.59 | dude101 | just get that |
| 04:13.08 | viper5133 | why not the torrent? |
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| 04:13.17 | subsume | How to find all files under . with string 'asdfasdf' in it? |
| 04:13.29 | dude101 | its upto you, its only 650 MB, we arnt talking gigs |
| 04:14.07 | dmoerner | subsume: find . -exec grep "asdfasdf" {} + |
| 04:14.38 | dmoerner | that will print the file name with the grep string as well, if you want to get rid of duplicates just sort | uniq it |
| 04:15.38 | Tramp | dmoerner: why not just "grep -r"? (and I think he only means filenames anyways) |
| 04:15.47 | subsume | I don't see how oyu guys remember this stuff. |
| 04:15.55 | viper5133 | Check out this Xfce screenshot, and tell me it doesn't look better than most Gnome or KDE screenshots: http://www.xfce-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=60642&file1=60642-1.jpg&file2=60642-2.jpg&file3=&name=NNM-GTK |
| 04:16.10 | dmoerner | Tramp: i want to be unique. actually i just forgot about grep -r |
| 04:16.11 | subsume | How about all .py files?? =) |
| 04:16.31 | dudeman | hey dudes |
| 04:16.39 | dudeman | whats better xtermcontrol or xtermset |
| 04:16.40 | dudeman | ? |
| 04:16.52 | Tramp | subsume: find . -name \*.py |
| 04:17.03 | dude101 | nah, gnome's better, the kanotix KDE theme is hard one to beat |
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| 04:17.22 | dudeman | I been using kde for uhm.. since sarge/testing |
| 04:17.33 | dudeman | I just got sick of it like two days ago now I'm all minimalist |
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| 04:19.28 | quitte | dudeman: have you looked at awesome? |
| 04:19.33 | dudeman | no |
| 04:19.42 | dudeman | I'm running a wm already |
| 04:20.04 | viper5133 | What's so great about the Kanotix KDE screen? Is just looks dark, that's about it: http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/?linux_distribution_sm=KANOTIX%202007%20RC6 |
| 04:20.06 | neonlightning | dudeman, as i said fluxbox makes a good minimal one aswell |
| 04:20.27 | subsume | How would I vim all *.py files under . ? |
| 04:20.31 | subsume | and within . |
| 04:20.55 | subsume | same as -exec |
| 04:20.55 | dude101 | viper5133: its got style, i like the dark ambience |
| 04:20.57 | subsume | ? |
| 04:21.33 | viper5133 | pfft...the xfce screen I posted looks much better than that Kanotix screen, and I bet it runs 5x faster too |
| 04:22.03 | dmoerner | viper5133: no. it definitely does not run 5x faster. wm beauty is in the eye of the beholder. for instance, i like dwm. |
| 04:22.10 | dude101 | no it wont run faster just the same, i got a fast anyways |
| 04:22.15 | dude101 | system* |
| 04:22.44 | viper5133 | are you kidding me? xfce is like 5x faster response time than KDE |
| 04:22.54 | dude101 | i use gnome |
| 04:23.07 | viper5133 | xfce is 2x faster than gnome |
| 04:23.22 | dmoerner | viper5133: point to real data please before you make absurd suggestions like that |
| 04:23.56 | h3king | sawfish is 4x faster than xfce |
| 04:24.20 | viper5133 | I think it's pretty common knowledge than xfce is faster than gnome, and much faster than kde, I have read it in the forums like 50 times, and I experienced the speed difference also |
| 04:24.55 | subsume | ls |
| 04:24.58 | subsume | sry. |
| 04:25.00 | dude101 | it isnt distiguishable |
| 04:25.33 | viper5133 | please dont pretend that gnome is as fast as xfce, cause it's not |
| 04:26.05 | dmoerner | !ot |
| 04:26.06 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 04:26.20 | dude101 | well i dont knoe, but i dont care coz its fast enough |
| 04:26.22 | Amarande | hmm, question about releases: |
| 04:26.27 | Amarande | if intending to run Wine and games |
| 04:26.43 | Amarande | should I get the amd64 release, or get the i386 one and install the k8 32 bit kernel? |
| 04:27.11 | dmoerner | Amarande: i think you should definitely use 32 bit for that setup |
| 04:27.25 | Amarande | the k8 32 bit kernel *is* still maintained, right? |
| 04:27.52 | dmoerner | not in lenny. you should just use 686 there i think |
| 04:27.53 | zinx | k8 is 64-bit |
| 04:28.01 | zinx | or so i thought |
| 04:28.18 | Amarande | IIRC, k8 was the 32-bit mode kernel for amd64 CPUs |
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| 04:30.08 | viper5133 | Can someone please tell me if this theme would be easy to install in 40r4a Debian xfce? http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/NNM-GTK?content=60642 |
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| 04:31.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, that's a weird question |
| 04:31.21 | dmoerner | viper5133: yes it would be easy to install |
| 04:31.26 | dmoerner | like any other theme |
| 04:31.45 | dude101 | i dont know xfce, but that screenie looks like its using a composite WM? so you'll AIGLX i think |
| 04:32.15 | dude101 | or Fglrx |
| 04:32.42 | viper5133 | Is it possible to change font contrast in xfce? cause it's easy in gnome |
| 04:33.18 | dude101 | viper5133: dunno, try it and see. you'll be fooling around with it for days to come |
| 04:33.29 | viper5133 | like in gnome you can pick "best shapes" or "best contrast", etc. |
| 04:33.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | does someone know in what relation /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed and /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/throttling would be to each other? |
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| 04:34.25 | dmoerner | CutMeOwnThroat: almost all /proc interfaces are deprecated in favor of /sys entries, so they may very well be the same |
| 04:34.28 | bangers | is there a program to serial console into another server? In solaris we have tip |
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| 04:35.03 | viper5133 | do you all think gentoo distros will still be around in 5 years? |
| 04:35.17 | dFence | hey, can i change default-gw priorities? (right now i have 2 devices both getting generic dhcp info, one of them requiring browser-login) |
| 04:35.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmoerner, that's what I'm asking - they are not. Powernowd uses the sys entry - when I wanted to see if it does its job, I (blue eyed) looked in proc... |
| 04:36.00 | viper5133 | Seems like Deb-based distros are taking over for the most part |
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| 04:37.45 | viper5133 | Only reason I am switching from Mint to Debian is because I don't want to use a newb distro (even though I am a newb). Is that a good reason? |
| 04:37.50 | dude101 | viper5133: i have always used debian, used it for almost 4 years. i'll never stop now |
| 04:37.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is what they look like: http://rafb.net/p/HSyHA524.html |
| 04:38.14 | dude101 | tried gentoo, failed, tried fedora good but too easy |
| 04:38.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the one in proc does not change with the powernowd changes in /sys |
| 04:38.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | dude101, is there something like 'too easy'? |
| 04:38.50 | viper5133 | fedora has problems with multimedia codecs I have heard, and that's rules them out for me right away |
| 04:39.04 | dude101 | CutMeOwnThroat: what do you mean |
| 04:39.23 | viper5133 | Cut, yes Mint seems like it's made for grandmas and grandpas |
| 04:39.43 | dude101 | oh yeah SAM linux, too easy |
| 04:40.16 | viper5133 | Mint even has cheesy options like not having a administrator password to access root |
| 04:40.26 | dFence | handy |
| 04:40.37 | Amarande | as opposed to, say, Windows Vista |
| 04:40.47 | Amarande | where if an application's devs fail to include 'trusted' flags in the .exe |
| 04:41.00 | Amarande | you are doomed to forever have to confirm administration privileges EVERY TIME YOU WANT TO PLAY NEVERWINTER NIGHTS. |
| 04:41.04 | Amarande | *graaaaarr* |
| 04:41.11 | dFence | damnit... i can't stay up for more than 24hrs anymore... i'm getting old!!! |
| 04:41.18 | dude101 | debian is getting easier, back in the days. i had many X problems. |
| 04:41.34 | viper5133 | At least Vista is just like any other Windows, but Mint is trying to be Windows it seems, and that is kind of annoying, even though it's a nice distro |
| 04:41.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | dude101, heh! what do *you* mean? :) I mean - I might change to some other distro -but there's nothing as comfortable as Debian&apt. And most things are kind of sane preventing loads of extra work (if you can't change a config file, because it'll be overwritten, the config file sais so...and normally tells you what to change instead - not so in e.g. suse, where you can spend the day finding out exactly that) |
| 04:42.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | viper5133, not having a administrator password to access root is stupid, not easy |
| 04:42.23 | dude101 | i'am saying that debina is by far the most superior OS |
| 04:42.28 | viper5133 | I thought about Gentoo and Arch but figured what the point of all that work for 1 millisecond faster response time |
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| 04:42.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !gentoosmite viper5133 |
| 04:42.52 | dpkg | spends 6 weeks recompiling viper5133, and when it's all done, viper5133 runs no faster than previously |
| 04:42.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | :( |
| 04:43.04 | dmoerner | if you really trip about it just use apt-build |
| 04:43.32 | viper5133 | lol, funny |
| 04:44.02 | viper5133 | !gentoosmite CutMeOwnThroat |
| 04:44.03 | dpkg | spends 6 weeks recompiling CutMeOwnThroat, and when it's all done, CutMeOwnThroat runs 0.6% faster than previously |
| 04:45.01 | viper5133 | does that gentoosmite thing work in the gentoo channel also? |
| 04:45.08 | viper5133 | that would be funny |
| 04:45.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmoerner, now I wonder what happens when throtteling and scaling_setspeed are changed (which is possible, they're completely independent) |
| 04:45.29 | subsume | how to delete all .pyc under . ? |
| 04:45.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | viper5133, no, they wouldn't have the Debian dpkg-robot, now would they_ |
| 04:46.09 | dude101 | subsume: man rm |
| 04:46.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | subsume, rm *.pyc |
| 04:46.21 | subsume | CutMeOwnThroat: will that recurse? |
| 04:46.29 | subsume | or rm -r *.pyc |
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| 04:46.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | subsume, oh, you mean in all subdirectories? |
| 04:47.01 | subsume | yes sir. |
| 04:47.03 | subsume | under . =) |
| 04:47.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | find . -name \*.pyc -ecec rm '{}' + |
| 04:47.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should of said |
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| 04:47.30 | dmoerner | find . -name \*.pyc -delete |
| 04:47.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dude101, and man rm wouldn't have done it :-P |
| 04:47.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | -delete? pft |
| 04:48.00 | viper5133 | How many services can I turn off after the Debian install if I just want to do the following with my computer: surf the net, play music, play videos, upload photos from digital camera, word processing |
| 04:48.44 | dude101 | CutMeOwnThroat: thought he just wanted to remove them from within the current directory |
| 04:49.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | dude101, rm *.pyc would have been man bash :-P |
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| 04:49.41 | dude101 | oh |
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| 04:50.34 | Snadder | Anyone know about a pretty recent review of the most realistic self learning message answering bots? |
| 04:50.35 | viper5133 | Are there any Debian installation guides on the internet? |
| 04:51.09 | simonrvn | !ig |
| 04:51.10 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r4 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
| 04:51.27 | Snadder | Well.. If its possible to configure the bot trough text commands.. |
| 04:51.36 | Benalex | viper5133 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 04:51.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | subsume, even suggesting "rm -r *.pyc" means you don't understand something fundamental.... it is the shell (normally bash) that expands the '*' to be multiple files - rm never even knows about it; the -r option if for rm, though and bash doesn't care about it... |
| 04:52.11 | Amarande | hmm, there may be a package for this I'm not seeing, but ... |
| 04:52.35 | Amarande | is there a quick way to take a whole slew of mp3 files, and automatedly rename the files according to the ID3 tag data? |
| 04:52.58 | Amarande | basically, as I do not have a Blu-Ray burner, I am not going to be able to efficiently back up my music collection, and thus after switching to Debian, I will have to copy it back off my iPod |
| 04:53.07 | Amarande | which, however, will result in all the files having odd four letter names |
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| 04:53.22 | Amarande | so, I'm trying to find out if there's a script or program to rename them back in an efficient way |
| 04:53.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amarande, tar them before you copy them somewhere? |
| 04:53.47 | Amarande | Cut: the problem is that other than the iPod, I have no large external drive |
| 04:54.02 | Amarande | and the files, even compressed, would be well above the size of a DVD blank |
| 04:54.22 | Benalex | Hello all... I am dual booting ubuntu and Debian using grub installed on debian Partition, how to make ubuntu update menu.lst file on debian's partitions when upgrading kernel images? |
| 04:54.33 | Amarande | I know the info is there in the ID3's, but I don't know if there's an efficient script way to use that info to rename the files |
| 04:54.38 | viper5133 | Is there any difference between the Debian and Ubuntu installer? Cause I need to do manual partitioning to remove my previous Linux install on my dual-boot system. Does the partitioner have a graphical interface? |
| 04:54.44 | Amarande | probably can do something with perl, but I'm foggy on the use of perl |
| 04:54.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amarande, from what are you switching? |
| 04:54.49 | Amarande | Vista |
| 04:55.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
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| 04:55.17 | Benalex | viper5133 if you are using gtk installer then yeah.. it has a GUI |
| 04:55.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amarande, there are several things... but I don't feel they work so great |
| 04:55.27 | Amarande | Basically, it's one of those "if I had a blu-ray burner, I'd be fine" things LOL |
| 04:56.00 | viper5133 | How do I know if the disc I am downloading has the GTK installer? |
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| 04:56.43 | dude101 | viper5133: i'd reccomend the basic installer, to be honest. |
| 04:56.45 | Benalex | viper5133 all of debian iso images has GUI installer... at boot just type installgui |
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| 04:57.40 | viper5133 | ok, how do I start the basic installer from the disc? |
| 04:57.50 | dude101 | just hit enter |
| 04:58.06 | Benalex | dude101 ... I am eating the book you gave me yesterday... it's awesome ... sleek and sexy |
| 04:58.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amarande, there is 'mp3rename" which seems to do exactly that |
| 04:58.11 | viper5133 | but he said I have to type installgui ? |
| 04:58.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | never tried it, though |
| 04:58.30 | dude101 | i didn't gine to you |
| 04:58.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I've yet to see the mp3's with perfect id3 tags |
| 04:58.37 | dudeman | dude man |
| 04:58.52 | dudeman | what? |
| 04:58.55 | Benalex | viper5133 to start text mode installer press enter... to start GUI installer type installgui and press enter |
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| 04:59.15 | Benalex | dude101 I mean the link you gave me :D |
| 04:59.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amarande, so guess the answer to your question is "yes" although I only found out just now |
| 04:59.28 | subsume | CutMeOwnThroat: funny you say that because rm -r *.pyc works fine |
| 04:59.36 | dude101 | Oh right, yeah i got the same book when i first came in here |
| 04:59.49 | viper5133 | ok so when I boot the disc in the drive and restart my computer, it will eventually stop at a command prompt where I type: install gui correct? |
| 05:00.05 | Benalex | viper5133 BINGO |
| 05:00.26 | Benalex | viper5133 I mean yes |
| 05:00.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | subsume, try echo >xxx.pyc ;echo somedir/yyy.pyc ; rm -r *.pyc |
| 05:00.33 | viper5133 | ok, then from there is it exactly like the Ubuntu installer? Or are there more complex options? |
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| 05:01.06 | dmoerner | viper5133: no spaces: "installgui". its a bit more complex but pretty intuitive nowadays |
| 05:01.22 | dudeman | man |
| 05:01.24 | dudeman | you know what |
| 05:01.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh |
| 05:01.28 | dudeman | I tried it and I can't dig it |
| 05:01.33 | dudeman | I'm going back to kde 3.5.9 |
| 05:01.38 | viper5133 | like what are the differences? if you don't mind me asking |
| 05:01.38 | Benalex | viper5133 I don't recall there might be a major difference... just go there and good luck.. once you have passed the partitioning phase.. you are good to go.. don't be afraid |
| 05:01.41 | dudeman | I can't live without ! :D |
| 05:01.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | subsume, I meant echo >xxx.pyc ;mkdir somedir/; echo > somedir/yyy.pyc ; rm -r *.pyc |
| 05:02.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | subsume, and tell me how great that worked |
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| 05:02.41 | dude101 | viper5133: by just hitting enter ithink you could save yourself some problems, i find the basic installer easier |
| 05:03.00 | viper5133 | I know how to partition, it's easy, I simply make / ext3 - 230gb and I make swap ext3 2gb |
| 05:03.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | subsume, hm, and actually - if there is no .pyc in ., it still doesn't work for subdirectories... |
| 05:03.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | subsume, so I don't really know what you're talking about |
| 05:03.38 | subsume | hmm |
| 05:03.42 | subsume | maybe they were already gone. |
| 05:03.50 | viper5133 | swap should be ext3 right? I forgot |
| 05:04.11 | Benalex | viper5133 swap isn't ext3.. its LinuxSwap... |
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| 05:04.17 | viper5133 | oh ok |
| 05:04.30 | Benalex | I recommend you reading Debian installation Documentation... it's perfect |
| 05:04.32 | dude101 | viper5133: yeah or you could swapon, its on the same disk |
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| 05:04.41 | dudeman | !ig |
| 05:04.41 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r4 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
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| 05:04.57 | viper5133 | so I only gotta make 2 partitions, right? / and swap |
| 05:05.04 | dudeman | viper5133, well |
| 05:05.10 | dudeman | I would put /home on a seperate partition too |
| 05:05.23 | dudeman | make 3, /, /home/, swap |
| 05:05.36 | viper5133 | nah, i dont wanna bother with that, just complicates things for me cause I am a newb |
| 05:05.41 | dudeman | well |
| 05:05.45 | dudeman | if you happen to reinstall later |
| 05:05.49 | dudeman | all your settings woudl get wiped... |
| 05:05.53 | Amarande | I need to figure out how to best partition a 500 gig drive for Linux |
| 05:06.02 | Amarande | assuming I'm going to be telling Windows to take a hike permanently |
| 05:06.36 | netdaemon | Amarande, separate / swap and /home |
| 05:06.51 | netdaemon | 10-15 gig is usually good for / |
| 05:08.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | make that 20 or 25 |
| 05:08.31 | Benalex | dude101 Can I make debian upgrade a different menu.lst file while upgrading kernels? |
| 05:08.42 | netdaemon | depends on your use |
| 05:08.47 | netdaemon | i get away with 8 CutMeOwnThroat |
| 05:08.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps more with a 500G disk.. no need to risk running out of |
| 05:09.01 | Benalex | sorry update menu.lst while upgrading kernels |
| 05:09.25 | dude101 | Benalex: i dont know |
| 05:09.35 | Benalex | Thank you |
| 05:09.36 | viper5133 | Is 20gb enough for / partition? |
| 05:09.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | netdaemon, I know you can have 10 or less, I just as well know I managed to hit 40 |
| 05:09.54 | dudeman | sudo dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/konqueror*.deb |
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| 05:09.59 | dudeman | doh |
| 05:10.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops s/40/20/ |
| 05:10.03 | Benalex | viper5133 for newbiZ like us.. I guss it's fine |
| 05:10.04 | netdaemon | i like to keep my system pretty trim though |
| 05:11.07 | viper5133 | so with 250gb I am gonna do / 20gb ext3, swap 2gb, /home 210gb ext3 sounds good? |
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| 05:11.19 | netdaemon | viper5133, should be fine |
| 05:11.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | netdaemon, I just keep installing stuff that interests me as long as there's space :) why not -it's just one apt-get away |
| 05:11.41 | netdaemon | CutMeOwnThroat, i do the same, i just remove it if i know i won't use it =) |
| 05:11.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | netdaemon, ha, I always *plan* to keep using it |
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| 05:12.11 | Benalex | viper5133 it depends on ur use man... anyway partitions layout can be changed later easily as you prefer |
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| 05:12.13 | viper5133 | so anytime I install packages with apt-get, will they go to the / or the /home ? |
| 05:12.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | (at least if it looks cool enough) |
| 05:12.24 | quitte | viper5133: / |
| 05:12.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, latex also takes its share of that |
| 05:12.42 | viper5133 | so I guess /home is only for personal files then? |
| 05:12.49 | quitte | viper5133: i don't know of asingle distribution that supports user installable packages. unfortunately |
| 05:12.54 | quitte | viper5133: yes |
| 05:13.20 | viper5133 | Wow, linux is so much fun :) |
| 05:14.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | viper5133, just the home directories normally go to /home, so you can switch distribution without touching /home |
| 05:14.19 | Benalex | viper5133 and there are more :) |
| 05:14.30 | quitte | viper5133: did your parents talk to you about it? http://xkcd.com/456/ |
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| 05:15.22 | viper5133 | I bought the book "running linux", do any of you have it? |
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| 05:16.26 | owen1 | what is autopackage and how do i open a .package file? |
| 05:16.39 | Benalex | Loool quitte |
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| 05:18.04 | viper5133 | Is there a website that shows the current stable Debian installgui with pictures and step-by-step instructions? |
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| 05:18.24 | netdaemon | viper5133, um, its pretty self explanatory |
| 05:18.32 | quitte | viper5133: no. and yes netdaemon is right |
| 05:18.43 | quitte | viper5133: there is an installation guide, though |
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| 05:18.54 | netdaemon | and so is the ncurses installer for that matter |
| 05:18.59 | quitte | without the screenshots. but those are useless anyways |
| 05:19.01 | viper5133 | can I have a link to the installation guide? |
| 05:19.24 | quitte | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 05:19.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ladders |
| 05:19.50 | viper5133 | thanks |
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| 05:20.40 | viper5133 | Wow this chat room is so helpful compared the Sabayon chat room, if you ask more than 3 newb questions there, you get booted |
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| 05:21.03 | quitte | viper5133: it's 4 here ;) |
| 05:21.07 | viper5133 | I don't see how that Sabayon can succeed with that attitude |
| 05:21.46 | viper5133 | quitte, nah, I've already asked like a hundred here, and not even a boot threat |
| 05:21.51 | viper5133 | this is a good chat room |
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| 05:22.16 | quitte | viper5133: yes. except on irc it's called a channel |
| 05:22.27 | ozo2 | hi |
| 05:22.33 | viper5133 | ok channel/chatroom same difference |
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| 05:23.05 | viper5133 | at gentoo they are not that friendly either, but still better than sabayon chat |
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| 05:23.57 | viper5133 | any distro that has a community that is unfriendly to newbs, can't last. |
| 05:24.13 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.41 | viper5133 | who me? |
| 05:25.03 | quitte | cahoot: imho it's ok at times lik this were no on topic discussion is happening anyways |
| 05:25.33 | viper5133 | anyways, I am gonna try Debian tonight |
| 05:25.58 | quitte | viper5133: good luck |
| 05:26.35 | viper5133 | cahoot, are you a op? |
| 05:27.33 | netdaemon | does it matter? |
| 05:27.38 | quitte | probably not. the ops here usually express their threads in a very constructive way |
| 05:27.44 | quitte | threats |
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| 05:28.28 | viper5133 | I am asking cause he is making idle threats to boot me even though he is not a op, and all I was doing was complementing how helpful this chat room is |
| 05:29.16 | viper5133 | anyways, quitte, what GUI do you use? |
| 05:29.28 | netdaemon | xorg of course |
| 05:29.39 | quitte | hehe. was going to answer that |
| 05:29.51 | viper5133 | xorg? you mean terminal? |
| 05:29.56 | netdaemon | nope |
| 05:30.01 | quitte | viper5133: i'm using gnome as my desktop environment, though |
| 05:30.09 | netdaemon | kde here |
| 05:30.30 | viper5133 | how is debian's implementation of kde? |
| 05:30.58 | viper5133 | did either of you install any cool themes? |
| 05:31.03 | netdaemon | pretty nice, even the experimental packages don't cause me problems =) |
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| 05:31.22 | netdaemon | as far as themes go, its pretty vanilla right now, kde 4.1 is beautiful out of the box (imho) |
| 05:31.38 | quitte | viper5133: please stop the random polling. by the number of people in here chances are that someone did it for any of those questions |
| 05:31.44 | viper5133 | do you know where I can find pics of kde 4.1 on debian? |
| 05:32.04 | quitte | google image search? |
| 05:32.08 | netdaemon | viper5133, its the exact same as the kde 4 pics on any other distro |
| 05:32.19 | netdaemon | its default, there is no theming that debian does to it |
| 05:32.40 | grendelson | I've upgraded to Lenny and followed the instructions dpkg provides here to get Nvidia drivers from kernel source istalled. glxgears works fine but doom3 crashes with a segfault and I can't seem to locate the reason - is there anyone who can help me troubleshoot please... |
| 05:32.42 | viper5133 | oh ok |
| 05:32.49 | grendelson | WARNING: vertex array range in virtual memory (SLOW) |
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| 05:33.12 | grendelson | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0" |
| 05:33.27 | grendelson | Those are errors that appear in the standard output... |
| 05:33.36 | viper5133 | Is KDE 4.1 rock solid stable? |
| 05:33.58 | quitte | grendelson: are you sure you are using the nvidia driver and not nv? |
| 05:34.00 | netdaemon | viper5133, by debian standards, no, by kde standards, early adopters only |
| 05:34.17 | grendelson | quitte, I'm pretty sure - it should say it in the xorg.conf right? |
| 05:34.36 | quitte | grendelson: yes. also you should get a nvidia splashcreen when starting X |
| 05:34.48 | viper5133 | well is it as stable as winxp? |
| 05:35.11 | grendelson | Section "Device" |
| 05:35.15 | quitte | as kde runs in userspace it usually can't crash your whole machine |
| 05:35.19 | grendelson | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.21 | netdaemon | viper5133, there are still some aps that aren't ported to the kde4 tree yet |
| 05:35.22 | quitte | grendelson: nooooo |
| 05:35.26 | quitte | don'T paste |
| 05:35.39 | grendelson | Only 2 lines - any more i put in past! |
| 05:36.13 | viper5133 | basically I am asking if KDE 4 is fully functional without any problems, or am I likely to encounter problems? |
| 05:36.14 | quitte | grendelson: is that a i386 or amd63 machine? |
| 05:36.26 | grendelson | quitte, This is x86 |
| 05:36.42 | netdaemon | viper5133, at the state of kde 4 in debian right now, you'd probably encounter problems, best wait for it to hit the stable tree in debian |
| 05:36.52 | quitte | viper5133: that depeds what you expect kde to do. but i'd say just use 3.5 for now. |
| 05:37.04 | grendelson | I can paste my xorg so you can see my setup - I use dual screen so have some custom Twinview optiosn for almost 3 years now.... |
| 05:37.11 | netdaemon | most of kde 4 still resides in experimental |
| 05:37.14 | viper5133 | Well I will just stick the xfce then |
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| 05:40.29 | EagleScreen | there is a backport for lenny for KDE4 |
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| 05:40.56 | Amarande | can't just about anything be backported by obtaining the sources from sid and building them against the desired distro? |
| 05:41.10 | Amarande | or is *that* why Wine never liked anything it was supposed to last time I used debian? |
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| 05:41.47 | quitte | Amarande: if the build depends are met that works |
| 05:42.23 | Amarande | also: how's ATI 3D doing with Linux these days? |
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| 05:43.34 | Nazcafan | hello |
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| 05:44.03 | Nazcafan | I would like to add experimental so my sources.list and setup testing or unstable as default |
| 05:44.16 | Nazcafan | Is there a howto for that? |
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| 05:45.00 | Lagbolt | Nazcafan, that is not advisable. is there a specific reason you wish to use experimental packages? |
| 05:45.36 | Nazcafan | Lagbolt, yes, I want to install the latest pidgin, but I am not fond of compiling it |
| 05:45.48 | quitte | why? |
| 05:45.49 | Nazcafan | Lagbolt, I do not want ALL exp packages |
| 05:46.13 | Nazcafan | quitte, because there are some better features I like using |
| 05:46.14 | Lagbolt | Nazcafan, the only trouble is that it may pull in other experimental dependencies that can break other packages |
| 05:46.28 | Nazcafan | Lagbolt, I will be carefull, I promess |
| 05:46.33 | dondelelcaro | Nazcafan: experimental only works with unstable, and it may not even work then. |
| 05:46.34 | Lagbolt | Nazcafan, you could backport it |
| 05:46.47 | Nazcafan | Lagbolt, to testing ? |
| 05:46.52 | Lagbolt | can he just backport the experimental src and use apt to compile it? |
| 05:46.52 | quitte | Nazcafan: upgrading to lenny is easy. and forexperimental packages i'd recommend getting them manually from packages.debian.org |
| 05:47.07 | Lagbolt | Nazcafan, you using etch? or lenny? |
| 05:47.22 | quitte | Lagbolt: yes. but the packages from exp usually wor in testing |
| 05:47.32 | Amarande | heh, here's another anti-MS silly dig: |
| 05:47.34 | Nazcafan | Lagbolt, testing |
| 05:47.43 | Lagbolt | quitte, if you dont know how to use exp packages how do you know that is true? |
| 05:47.45 | Amarande | Ever notice the familial resemblance between the Windows logo and a 'Wild Draw Four'? :) |
| 05:47.52 | Lagbolt | quitte, you want version 2.4.3? |
| 05:47.57 | Lagbolt | i mean 2.5 |
| 05:48.04 | quitte | Lagbolt: I know how t use them. but I do not support it |
| 05:48.39 | Nazcafan | Lagbolt, yes I do |
| 05:48.56 | Lagbolt | Nazcafan, i still think best way is to compile it using apt-get source. |
| 05:49.01 | quitte | bah |
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| 05:49.46 | quitte | Nazcafan: just add another line where you use experimental instead of lenny in sources.list. and then add -t experimental to your apt-get command. and then remove experimental from sources.list! |
| 05:50.03 | Lagbolt | quitte, bah? that is the nice thing about apt-get and dpkg. |
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| 05:50.56 | Nazcafan | quitte, the other day, I read that you could add experimental forever and use a line in an conf file to tell apt to use testing by default, I just can not remember where I found that |
| 05:51.18 | quitte | Lagbolt: except that debian is frozen. so compiling stuff from experimental for lenny makes no sense. unless the odd thing happens and it actually needs a dependency from sid. very unlikely |
| 05:51.42 | quitte | Nazcafan: that is the default. but I wouldn'T rely on it staying thedefault forever |
| 05:52.09 | Nazcafan | quitte, that is way I was asking for the howto thingy |
| 05:52.18 | Nazcafan | s/way/why |
| 05:52.35 | Nazcafan | sorry, didn't completely wake up ;-) |
| 05:53.08 | quitte | Nazcafan: also I'm not sure if all package management tools that use sources.list honour apt.conf settings. I really wouldn'T leave experimental in there! |
| 05:53.19 | Lagbolt | quitte, i understand the use, i am just saying it is not a great idea, especially if you dont know exactly what you are doing and if you dont know how to figure out how to install exper packages youprob dont know how to fix problems it might cause |
| 05:53.35 | Nazcafan | quitte, roger |
| 05:53.44 | netdaemon | how do a builddeps on a source directory for an ap thats not in the repos? |
| 05:54.14 | Lagbolt | but what ever. its cool with me. i just think Nazcafan you should read more about it and possibly about compiling with apt, it is really easy and just a good thing to know how to do |
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| 05:54.50 | firebird619 | Could someone help me? I am trying to burn an mpg file using K3B, but it keeps giving an error of invalid mpeg packet found at packet# 2 -- please fix this mpeg file. How can I resolve this issue so I can burn the file? The file was a wmv file first and I used WinFF to convert it to mpg. |
| 05:55.01 | Nazcafan | Lagbolt, why on earth would I compile a package when there already is a compiled version, done by someone ten times as experimented as me? |
| 05:55.16 | Lagbolt | Nazcafan, if you asked that then you obviously havent read about experimental |
| 05:55.22 | Lagbolt | !tell Nazcafan about experimental |
| 05:55.24 | valdyn | Nazcafan: experimental packages are typically compiled against sid binaries |
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| 05:55.53 | Lagbolt | firebird619, how did you convert it to mpg? |
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| 05:56.21 | valdyn | Nazcafan: compiling against lenny result in dependencies that fit lenny better |
| 05:56.29 | valdyn | Nazcafan: compiling against lenny will likely result in dependencies that fit lenny better |
| 05:56.30 | netdaemon | i'm trying to build virtualbox-ose 2.0.0 from source from virtualbox's site...it happens to have a deb directory in the source, anyway to run apt-get builddep on it? |
| 05:57.02 | Nazcafan | yeah, but when it comes to pidgin, it seems that lenny and unerlying libs, sid have the exact same versions, |
| 05:57.14 | firebird619 | Lagbolt: I used WinFF to convert it from wmv. In WinFF, you select the input file and then select the output destination and what format you want to convert it to. |
| 05:57.19 | valdyn | Nazcafan: so in that case recompiling would be pointless |
| 05:57.43 | quitte | educational, though |
| 05:57.48 | Lagbolt | firebird619, is that windows tool? use it in wine or are you making it in windows and burning in debian? |
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| 05:59.43 | quitte | Nazcafan: if the new pidgin can send files to adium va xmpp, tell me! |
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| 06:00.37 | firebird619 | Lagbolt: It is made for Windows but also linux in rpm and deb formats (www.winff.org). I made this slideshow in Windows Movie Maker in Windows XP in VirtualBox. For whatever reason, virtualbox was not seeing my burner so I couldn't burn it from Movie Maker, so I saved it to a wmv file and transfered it to Debian to burn it to a disk. K3B Video CD's only accept mpg files, so I used WinFF to convert it and now I am getting this error in K3 |
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| 06:01.24 | Nazcafan | quitte, I am not sure about it, but I think the problem with xmpp might be related with people using google accounts, that might disable that option |
| 06:01.30 | Nazcafan | quitte, I'll check that |
| 06:01.41 | quitte | firebird619: do you plan to play that on a dvd player? or could you just put the wmv file in the icd? |
| 06:01.43 | Nazcafan | have a nice day ! |
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| 06:02.23 | firebird619 | quitte: I plan to play it in a DVD Player. |
| 06:02.37 | Lagbolt | firebird619, well you could use tools in debian to make slide show or maybe you can find a prob to make an ISO in virtualbox that you can burn in linux with k3b |
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| 06:04.09 | quitte | firebird619: winff sounds like a ffmpeg gui. could you tell us the actual ffmpeg command it used to convert? |
| 06:04.43 | firebird619 | Lagbolt: I tried Smile, but that wasn't working right for me, it wouldn't put the audio file into it. I worked a little bit with dvd-slideshow, but that doesn't have many transitions to use, I also tried Gwenview, but that didn't finish creating and halted with an error. Are there any other programs that would do what I want that you know of? |
| 06:05.03 | firebird619 | quitte: It is a GUI for ffmpeg, I am not sure what command it uses though. |
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| 06:06.32 | firebird619 | The file that WinFF created plays just fine on the computer in mplayer. I just have this error when trying to burn it. |
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| 06:08.32 | quitte | firebird619: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Create_a_VCD_or_SVCD |
| 06:09.18 | firebird619 | quitte: That looks great. Thank you. I will give that a try. |
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| 06:10.35 | phyburn | does xorg not allow 1920x1600? For some reason it wont allow me to go to this resolution |
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| 06:10.52 | valdyn | phyburn: read /var/log/Xorg.0.log as to why that is |
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| 06:11.32 | phyburn | valdyn, I dont think it would output any error because im not attempting to go to that resolution |
| 06:11.36 | phyburn | I dont have the option for it in gnome |
| 06:11.47 | valdyn | phyburn: its not an error |
| 06:11.50 | phyburn | i added 1920x1600 in xorg.conf then |
| 06:11.58 | phyburn | though* |
| 06:12.04 | valdyn | phyburn: and you should read that file. |
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| 06:12.29 | firebird619 | quitte: Aside from the programs I did try, Smile, Gwenview, etc., I had also thought of OpenOffice.org Impress. Do you know if there is there a way to export that to a format for creating a disk to play in a DVD player? |
| 06:14.47 | quitte | firebird619: http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=45113&view=next |
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| 06:14.52 | quitte | firebird619: google |
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| 06:16.40 | phyburn | valdyn, umm for some reason it isn't using /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 06:16.53 | phyburn | because I changed the only setting to 1920x1600 but it still went into the old setting =/ |
| 06:17.06 | firebird619 | quitte: I had done some googling on that earlier but hadn't come across that page. Thank You for your help. |
| 06:17.16 | valdyn | phyburn: search for the line like: (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" |
| 06:17.31 | valdyn | phyburn: in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 06:18.18 | phyburn | valdyn, okay thanks |
| 06:18.40 | viper5133 | Ok, I am trying to decide between KDE and Xfce |
| 06:18.54 | viper5133 | KDE was slow on Mandriva, is it faster on Debian? |
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| 06:19.58 | Amarande | KDE is KDE |
| 06:20.06 | Amarande | that's your machine that's making it slow, not mandriva |
| 06:20.13 | Amarande | although mandriva does have all that msec cruft if I remember |
| 06:20.13 | quitte | viper5133: maybe. the last time i saw mandriva they did lots of special effects stuff. |
| 06:20.21 | viper5133 | my machine is quite powerful |
| 06:20.26 | Amarande | haven't run it since it was still called Mandrake heh |
| 06:20.41 | phyburn | valdyn, says /etc/X11/xorg.conf =/ |
| 06:20.48 | Amarande | and had security settings that ranged from 'none' to 'you cannot reasonably use your machine' LOL |
| 06:21.24 | viper5133 | KDE is slower than WinXP though, right? |
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| 06:22.36 | quitte | don't get me started about the myth that winxp is fast |
| 06:22.59 | quitte | might aswell just show a picture of your desktop after boot until everything started |
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| 06:26.24 | quitte | viper5133: if you told us why you are switching to linux we might have a better idea what to recommend. kde is good because of it's great integration of the desktop and the k* apps. it's a pretty huge destop environment. but once it started i always considered it to be quite snappy |
| 06:27.11 | quitte | viper5133: if you want a system that is lightweight xfce is probably the way to go for a beginner |
| 06:27.44 | gpm | hence xubuntu |
| 06:27.56 | quitte | viper5133: a big part of the decision is figuring out what apps you are mostly going to use. |
| 06:28.47 | quitte | gpm how about instead preseeding the debian installer to use xfce instead? |
| 06:29.03 | quitte | would be lessofftopichere |
| 06:29.14 | gpm | quitte: my point was that ubuntu markets to the "easy-to-use" crowd |
| 06:29.36 | gpm | you can install anything from d-i, that's what's fantabulous about debian |
| 06:29.44 | gpm | well one of many things i suppose |
| 06:30.34 | quitte | also it doesn'T let you down once you try to do something slightly more esoteric with your system. |
| 06:30.55 | gpm | were you having sex with your computer!?! |
| 06:31.26 | quitte | who hasn't? |
| 06:31.39 | gpm | ubuntu users, apparently |
| 06:31.42 | gpm | man, i feel for them |
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| 06:34.20 | quitte | did anyone stumble about a cheap nas that dos decent sata io and gbit networking? |
| 06:34.26 | elik | I'm trying to use sshfs and getting an error: failed to open /dev/fuse |
| 06:34.29 | quitte | s/about/upon |
| 06:35.01 | quitte | elik: you probably have to load the module and add your user to whatevrgroup is needed for fuse |
| 06:35.08 | elik | I found a few solutions, including adding the user to fuse group, but didn't work.. although |
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| 06:35.17 | viper5133 | quitte, I am going to use firefox, mplayer, amarok, Kaffeine, digiKam or Gwenview, and OpenOffice. So which should I install? Xfce or Gnome? |
| 06:35.35 | elik | Although I don't see fuse after typing groups command (and I did exit and relaunch the shell) |
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| 06:36.56 | quitte | viper5133: i like gnome. but xfce is a valid choice, too. but maye you could try not using amarok but rhythmbox iceweasel instead offirefox(same thing) and whatever gnome will use as a default wehn plugging in your cam? |
| 06:37.34 | quitte | viper5133: aso totem instead of mplayer. a default gnome install should pretty much cver your needs and is quite nicely integrated |
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| 06:38.03 | quitte | viper5133: except that nautilus opens a new window for every directory. but that can be changed |
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| 06:38.21 | viper5133 | why Xfce wouldn't work with those programs? |
| 06:39.02 | quitte | viper5133: I'm not saying it doesn'T I have no idea. but for exaple I know that gnome will ask you what you want to do if you plug in your digicam by default |
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| 06:39.42 | viper5133 | Can I make Debian look as good as Mint and be just as fast? |
| 06:39.53 | quitte | what is mint? |
| 06:40.00 | viper5133 | Linux Mint |
| 06:40.17 | elik | quitte, any idea why groups don't report fuse? |
| 06:40.24 | quitte | viper5133: no idea what that is. |
| 06:40.33 | quitte | elik: logout - login |
| 06:40.43 | elik | did that already |
| 06:40.47 | elik | in the console |
| 06:41.02 | nirupama | There is a source for locale package |
| 06:41.10 | nirupama | I want to add a new locale now |
| 06:41.12 | nirupama | how to do that |
| 06:41.20 | viper5133 | so basically Xfce can do all the same things as Gnome, but it won't be as convenient, right? |
| 06:41.22 | elik | quitte, closed and restarted console |
| 06:41.44 | quitte | viper5133: also speed is quite relative. do you want jobs to finish fas(unlikely on a desktop) do you want programs to be responsive? |
| 06:41.50 | elik | Lq |
| 06:41.54 | quitte | viper5133: yes |
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| 06:42.25 | quitte | viper5133: there are basically unlimited possibilities to tweak your system to your liking. |
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| 06:43.14 | quitte | viper5133: but basically the default should be very sensible at the beginning. then you can go ahead, figure out what exactly annoys you and change that. |
| 06:43.27 | quitte | just saying "more fast, please" won't help much |
| 06:44.52 | firebird619 | quitte: I used that How To on Gentoo you gave me for create a VCD. I ran the ffmpeg command it gave to convert the file and it is finished now, but when I played the video, all the transitions, titles, etc. are gone. What would have caused that? |
| 06:44.56 | quitte | elik: check if your useris listed in /etc/group for the fuse group |
| 06:45.42 | viper5133 | Is this the correct Debian for the stable version with the install GUI? debian-40r4a-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 06:45.43 | quitte | firebird619: most likely you used the wrong input. |
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| 06:46.03 | elik | quitte, it was.. but turns out closing reloading console ain't enough |
| 06:46.08 | elik | quitte, used newgrp in the end |
| 06:46.10 | quitte | viper5133: that would d the trick. but why not use the ntinstall cd? |
| 06:46.16 | firebird619 | quitte: No, I only have the one input file, I double checked the command I used, it is correct. |
| 06:46.28 | elik | thx |
| 06:46.33 | viper5133 | what is the benefit of the ntinstall cd? |
| 06:46.44 | gpm | you download as you go |
| 06:46.47 | quitte | firebird619: and playing the input file gives you the results you expect? please double check |
| 06:46.50 | gpm | instead of grabbing a whole CD, or eight |
| 06:46.55 | gpm | or howevermany it is now |
| 06:47.03 | quitte | 22 iirc |
| 06:47.07 | bbinotto | hi i'm trying to compile razor2 for kolab groupware server on a debian stable amd64 using this tutorial: http://wiki.kolab.org/index.php/Razor2 |
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| 06:47.24 | viper5133 | but I thought I only need disc1 for the the default gnome desktop? |
| 06:47.33 | bbinotto | i keep getting: /usr/lib/crti.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized |
| 06:47.43 | gpm | you don't need 22, nobody does |
| 06:47.48 | firebird619 | quitte: Yes, it does, the wmv file (input file) has all the titles, transitions, etc on it. |
| 06:48.18 | viper5133 | Will this disk give me enough to get to the default Gnome desktop? debian-40r4a-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 06:48.44 | quitte | hasn't used a full cd since potato |
| 06:49.04 | bolt | netinstall ftw |
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| 06:49.19 | gpm | http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#which-cd |
| 06:49.21 | viper5133 | see I can only download for 3 hours, so the netinstall might take longer than that and exceed my limit |
| 06:49.40 | gpm | screw netinst, businesscard ftw! |
| 06:50.08 | quitte | firebird619: uhm sorry. i'm having a hard time believing that actually happened. the text being subtitles and thusdisappearing i could accept. but transitions? I have no idea how that could happen |
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| 06:50.29 | quitte | gpm: kernel + initrd ftw! |
| 06:50.43 | gpm | http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search |
| 06:50.48 | gpm | quitte: oh fo sho |
| 06:50.52 | gpm | that's the real way to go |
| 06:51.07 | dude101 | viper5133: the link i gave you earlier will install the base system |
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| 06:51.17 | gpm | the only problem is you can't do wireless with d-i, or at least not with my shitty usb wireless card |
| 06:52.05 | firebird619 | quitte: Well I am seeing it with my own eyes, and that is what happened. The pictures just go from one to another, there isn't even a fade in or out. |
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| 06:52.31 | quitte | firebird619: what does mplayer tell you the video format of the wmv is? |
| 06:52.33 | dude101 | use the install cd, xfce-cd1.iso. and just upgrade the dist via apt. it'll take 90 mins to get the iso and upgrade |
| 06:52.34 | viper5133 | Well as far as I know, this is the recent stable release iso, so I am gonna download it: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#which-cd |
| 06:52.57 | viper5133 | I mean debian-40r4a-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 06:53.18 | dude101 | the link from "getting debian" site was all you needed. |
| 06:53.18 | gpm | file video.wmv |
| 06:53.18 | viper5133 | but I am gonna install gnome |
| 06:53.31 | quitte | viper5133: it will do nicely. and if it needs anything that isn't on the disc it will pull it from the net |
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| 06:53.38 | lkthomas | guys |
| 06:53.49 | dude101 | it will if you use that iso, by default install gnome |
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| 06:53.52 | lkthomas | any version control tools is good for non-text based file ? |
| 06:53.57 | viper5133 | so 40r4a is the recent stable release? |
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| 06:54.20 | quitte | viper5133: go through the help screen at the installation bootloader. it has quite some interesting informtion. iirc correctly it tells you how to select the desktop for example |
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| 06:54.28 | quitte | viper5133: /topic |
| 06:54.29 | dude101 | yeah, but you'll still update the system. security updates and such |
| 06:54.31 | steven_ | Hi |
| 06:55.00 | steven_ | anyone know of webbased tool to manage certs ? |
| 06:55.03 | viper5133 | my only question is: Is 40r4a the most recent stable release? |
| 06:55.09 | dude101 | yeah |
| 06:55.10 | lkthomas | does SVN is good for photo as well ? |
| 06:55.12 | quitte | viper5133: yes. /topic |
| 06:55.14 | viper5133 | ok thanks |
| 06:55.26 | viper5133 | what is the /topic mean? |
| 06:55.34 | gpm | wow |
| 06:55.45 | quitte | viper5133: it's a command for your irc client that will show the current channels topic |
| 06:55.49 | firebird619 | quitte: How would I check what mplayer says the video format is? I always right click the file and check open with mplayer. |
| 06:55.51 | gpm | sometimes i wonder how folks successfully arrive in this channel |
| 06:56.10 | quitte | firebird619: use a console window and use mplayer filöename.wmv |
| 06:56.24 | gpm | file movie.wmv |
| 06:56.27 | quitte | gpm: pidgin supports irc |
| 06:56.30 | viper5133 | I type /topic and nothing happens |
| 06:56.55 | dude101 | try /t |
| 06:56.57 | netdaemon | !topic |
| 06:57.00 | gpm | quitte: worst feature addition ever! |
| 06:57.10 | viper5133 | !topic |
| 06:57.10 | gpm | wow |
| 06:57.15 | viper5133 | still nothing |
| 06:57.19 | gpm | dpkg: hi |
| 06:57.19 | dpkg | que tal, gpm |
| 06:57.20 | quitte | gpm: at least it was fixed upstream that it was talking about irc rooms |
| 06:57.21 | gpm | !topic |
| 06:57.31 | gpm | !hi |
| 06:57.31 | dpkg | hello, gpm |
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| 06:57.34 | netdaemon | dpkg, topic |
| 06:57.35 | dude101 | Topic for #debian: 4.0r4a released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people |
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| 06:57.46 | gpm | that's weird |
| 06:57.48 | gpm | dpkg: topic |
| 06:57.54 | viper5133 | ok thanks |
| 06:58.00 | gpm | oh he msgs it to me |
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| 06:58.11 | firebird619 | quitte: Selected video codec: [wmv9dmo] vfm: dmo (Windows Media Video 9 DMO). Is that what your looking for? |
| 06:58.12 | gpm | saying topic is disabled in his configuration |
| 06:58.21 | gpm | w32codecs? |
| 06:58.21 | streuner | !tell gpmn about enter |
| 06:58.27 | gpm | streuner: thanks |
| 06:58.30 | gpm | got it |
| 06:59.34 | lkthomas | guys, if I need binary version control, any suggestion ? |
| 06:59.57 | quitte | firebird619: ok. probably some format not fully supported by ffmpeg but by mplayer. you could try using the mpg file as input for ffmpeg |
| 07:00.12 | viper5133 | Which Gnome themes are the most graphics intensive? GTK2 or Compiz or something else? |
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| 07:00.51 | dude101 | viper5133: compiz, but you install debby first |
| 07:01.07 | quitte | viper5133: compiz. but depending of the quality of your graphics card/driver it hardly makes a difference |
| 07:01.10 | firebird619 | quitte: Ok, I will give that a try, using the mpg as input. Thanks. |
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| 07:05.40 | viper5133 | Do you guys know of any really cool Debian themes for Gnome? |
| 07:05.53 | gpm | no |
| 07:06.10 | quitte | viper5133: themes are not distribution specific |
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| 07:06.16 | dude101 | viper5133: darkwood is good, with glass icons |
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| 07:06.30 | dude101 | thats what i have. |
| 07:06.30 | quitte | gnome-look.org |
| 07:06.37 | streuner | 45829-Wii-Black-theme-pack.tar.gz |
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| 07:06.58 | streuner | viper5133: ^^^ |
| 07:07.16 | viper5133 | I dont want a dark theme |
| 07:07.23 | streuner | hm |
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| 07:11.04 | harpal | hey is it possible to remove grub from mbr? I want to clean my harddisk with mbr also |
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| 07:12.09 | quitte | harpal: you could just dd zeros to it. but you'll loose the prtition table,too |
| 07:12.13 | valdyn | harpal: how are you cleaning it? |
| 07:12.31 | netdaemon | harpal, dban is a useful utility |
| 07:12.50 | valdyn | obviously its much harder to lean without mbr than with mbr |
| 07:12.54 | valdyn | obviously its much harder to clean without mbr than with mbr |
| 07:12.56 | harpal | quitte: ya no problem I have removed all partitions of my harddisl |
| 07:13.24 | harpal | so my harddisk have no paritions. all space is free |
| 07:13.26 | valdyn | harpal: that was pointless, recovering partition table is trivial |
| 07:13.36 | mhymn | !tell harpal about mbr |
| 07:14.39 | harpal | valdyn: I dont want to recover it also. because that harddisk is not useful for me and I have problem while installing windows. so I want to make sure its harddisk issue or other things |
| 07:15.44 | valdyn | harpal: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/whatever bs=512 count=1 |
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| 07:18.08 | valdyn | harpal: grub does not really do any harm, weird partition tables and/or having alot of disks does break windows |
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| 07:18.33 | Blackhold | hello, could some one help me please? |
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| 07:18.59 | streuner | !ask |
| 07:18.59 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:18.59 | valdyn | Blackhold: how would we know if anyone can help you? |
| 07:19.02 | Blackhold | is the first time I plug a firewire disk in my computer and don't exactly knows why isn't working |
| 07:19.35 | Blackhold | I load module ieee1394 |
| 07:19.46 | Blackhold | but doing fdisk -l my hd don't appear on list |
| 07:19.57 | valdyn | Blackhold: theres no point in loading any module manually |
| 07:20.08 | Blackhold | I'm using 2.6.22-14 |
| 07:20.18 | valdyn | Blackhold: and you are not on debian |
| 07:20.32 | Blackhold | I'm a debian user |
| 07:20.38 | streuner | are you using backports? |
| 07:20.46 | Blackhold | don't know what are |
| 07:21.05 | streuner | show us the output of "cat /proc/version" please |
| 07:21.10 | Blackhold | valdyn: maybe the computer I must make run firewire is not a debian, but works on a debian |
| 07:21.24 | Blackhold | I get argued when putted an other operating system to this computer |
| 07:21.26 | Blackhold | grrr |
| 07:21.42 | Blackhold | is a mumuntu |
| 07:22.05 | Blackhold | but... could you help me as it was a debian please? |
| 07:22.21 | streuner | Blackhold: /j #mumuntu |
| 07:22.27 | Blackhold | in some ways I hate ubuntu |
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| 07:23.27 | Blackhold | won't help me? |
| 07:23.59 | hatter | are errors in a cron job logged somewhere ? |
| 07:24.39 | streuner | Blackhold: /j #ubuntu |
| 07:24.42 | Somni | sometimes syslog, usually they're just sent to the user running the job |
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| 07:25.27 | Blackhold | ¬¬ |
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| 07:26.37 | hatter | Somni, thx |
| 07:28.07 | viper5133 | Does anyone know of a light-colored theme with really nice icons and fonts? |
| 07:28.46 | streuner | why not just looking at kde-look.org and gnome-look.org ? |
| 07:28.56 | streuner | they have plenty of themes |
| 07:29.11 | viper5133 | I looked, I can't find a good one |
| 07:29.53 | streuner | hm, kde-look.org only has GTK-1 themes... |
| 07:30.15 | streuner | forget the URL then |
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| 07:45.27 | unreal-dude | im getting a no disk space error on a default debian install using a default proftpd, with an LVM partition, any ideas? |
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| 07:46.24 | unreal-dude | df tells me that the disk is 16% full |
| 07:46.33 | unreal-dude | *partition |
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| 07:48.30 | lxsameer | all : i have update etch to lenny . now when i try to run 3d games like nexuiz it's nit work or a window flash for 3 time and game not run |
| 07:48.52 | lxsameer | all : ^ |
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| 07:55.03 | steven_ | anyone here got experince with ilo + VSP setup in debian ? |
| 07:56.37 | bryno | I don't know if something like this has been addressed here or not. I've just installed the "lenny beta2 release" netinst with the debian-installer. I think proceeded to upgrade my system. Afterwards, having 2 kernels installed (2.6.24 and 2.6.26), booting with 2.6.26 causes the system to shutdown sometime during the startup process. |
| 07:57.03 | bryno | Before the screen blanks, it seems to be print "Checking root file system", then "Shutdown: hda" |
| 07:57.18 | bryno | Then of course, booting with 2.6.24 doesn't have this problem |
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| 07:58.14 | viper5133 | Is it easy to upgrade Debian to the newest version without having to remove the old version completely from your hard drive? |
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| 07:58.29 | lxsameer | please some one help me |
| 07:58.52 | bryno | viper5133, check out /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 07:58.54 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.12 | viper5133 | I mean if you can upgrade without having to reinstall a whole new system, then what is the point of /home partition? |
| 07:59.32 | bryno | viper5133, in case you wanted to |
| 07:59.50 | steven_ | viper5133: there are many reasons for a /home partition |
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| 08:00.35 | Mithshark | Hi, I'm installing Debian over ssh from a Knoppix live cd. While Knoppix can find /dev/hda, the chrooted Debian can't, any ideas? |
| 08:00.37 | unreal-dude | is there any sort of qouta by default in debian? |
| 08:00.43 | viper5133 | no my point is, can you upgrade, for example, from etch to lenny, without having to completely delete yout installation? |
| 08:01.03 | bryno | It's really just updating packages |
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| 08:01.32 | Mithshark | change sources and do a dist-upgrade, isn't it? |
| 08:01.56 | viper5133 | nevermind, I will just make a /home partition |
| 08:02.39 | Mithshark | Anyone have a clue about my issue? |
| 08:02.58 | jescis | Do I keep services.whatevermydomannameis.net in the hybserv.conf? |
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| 08:03.31 | nirupama | In my trash |
| 08:03.39 | nirupama | I see some locked files |
| 08:03.44 | nirupama | how to delete them |
| 08:04.01 | nirupama | I have logged in as root |
| 08:04.35 | jescis | nirupama, you could login as root and then empty it |
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| 08:05.03 | Ergo^ | hello |
| 08:05.14 | nirupama | jescis, I did the same but while deleting the locked file it shows cannot delete that file |
| 08:05.34 | jescis | hhmmm |
| 08:05.41 | Ergo^ | to install standard debian lenny desktop, do i need dvd1, or cd1 will be enough ? |
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| 08:06.47 | jescis | Ergo^, you could get cd1 of net install |
| 08:06.49 | streuner | Debian doesn't make much fun without internet |
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| 08:07.23 | unreal-dude | haha |
| 08:07.26 | unreal-dude | true that |
| 08:08.14 | Ergo^ | net install is usless if you have wifi that needs firmware ;-) |
| 08:08.42 | Mithshark | mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist |
| 08:08.50 | Mithshark | Knoppic displays iit |
| 08:08.52 | Mithshark | it* |
| 08:08.54 | streuner | so just copy the firmware into /lib/firmware |
| 08:09.11 | Mithshark | /dev/hda doesn't exist in the chroot at all |
| 08:09.26 | streuner | !ig |
| 08:09.27 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r4 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
| 08:09.42 | wintix | Mithshark: you have to mount the proc filesystem |
| 08:10.07 | wintix | Mithshark: mout proc proc proc or something like that |
| 08:10.10 | wintix | +n |
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| 08:10.50 | Mithshark | Not it, but I can probably find it now, thanks :) |
| 08:11.06 | Ergo^ | streuner: how do i copy firmware when i dont have the system installed in the first place ? :D |
| 08:12.19 | Mithshark | wintix: mount: proc already mounted |
| 08:12.24 | Mithshark | Any other ideas? |
| 08:12.32 | streuner | install the system first and copy the firmware then |
| 08:12.37 | streuner | ? |
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| 08:13.23 | wintix | Mithshark: i recently hat that problem. try mount --bind /dev /path/to/your/chroot/dev |
| 08:13.29 | wintix | Mithshark: (outside of the chroot) |
| 08:13.37 | streuner | Ergo^: whats the problem to install the base-system and copy firmware? |
| 08:14.36 | Mithshark | Worked, thanks wintix |
| 08:16.22 | Mithshark | Also, had I RTFM'd I would have noticed there was a not about it below the section I was in |
| 08:16.34 | wintix | ;) |
| 08:19.09 | Mithshark | Is there a optimized way to alias 13 IPs without using 13 blocks? |
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| 08:19.55 | Mithshark | can I use 1.2.3.{5-20} for example |
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| 08:35.21 | Mithshark | I can't restart networking 'successfully', however all of the IPs came up in ifconfig |
| 08:35.28 | Mithshark | Is that likely to mean that it will work? |
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| 08:36.02 | wintix | Mithshark: does it give you some error? |
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| 08:36.19 | Mithshark | Does a 3 line paste need a no-paste? |
| 08:36.31 | streuner | just do it |
| 08:36.42 | Mithshark | Knoppix:/# /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 08:36.42 | Mithshark | Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCADDRT: File exists |
| 08:36.42 | Mithshark | Failed to bring up eth0. |
| 08:36.42 | Mithshark | done. |
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| 08:36.45 | Mithshark | er, 4 |
| 08:36.55 | streuner | 4 was too much |
| 08:37.12 | Mithshark | I didn't intend on pasting the top line |
| 08:37.46 | Mithshark | I assumed the error was because I'm using the IP out of the chroot |
| 08:37.49 | maligor | playing with boundary conditions is bound to singe ;) |
| 08:38.31 | Mithshark | I just need to ensure it boots as I have no physical access to it and the DC techs would hate to put me on Knoppic again :) |
| 08:38.57 | Mithshark | Berhaps I'll use a single IP higher in the range and fix networkign after I install |
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| 08:39.25 | Amarande | okay, something odd here. |
| 08:39.46 | Amarande | Apparently, if you make a separate /usr/local partition, it insists on showing up with an icon on the GNOME desktop |
| 08:39.52 | Amarande | is there *any* way to suppress this icon? |
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| 08:39.58 | Amarande | anything I've tried ends up unmounting it |
| 08:41.24 | viper5133 | Can someone please help me? I using the Debian installer gui to make partitions. I am making a / partition, swap partition, /home partition So what do I choose for these things? Label? Reserved Blocks % ? Typical use (standard?) , Bootable flag (on or off?) Please help, thanks |
| 08:42.59 | et | you want bootable for / and nothing else, defaults should be fine |
| 08:43.27 | viper5133 | how about reserved blocks? should it be 5%? |
| 08:43.51 | OpenTokix | viper5133: yes |
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| 08:44.01 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 08:44.03 | viper5133 | for both / and /home ? |
| 08:44.10 | rindolf | I couldn't install Debian testing from the CD. |
| 08:44.14 | OpenTokix | viper5133: Reserved blocks is used for all kinds of nifty stuff - like taking care of fragmented files |
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| 08:44.17 | OpenTokix | viper5133: yeah |
| 08:44.20 | rindolf | Something about dpkg failing. |
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| 08:44.37 | viper5133 | how bout label? do I have to put a label? |
| 08:44.41 | et | viper5133: you can reduce the # of reserved blocks for big places |
| 08:44.41 | Amarande | so, any way to suppress a desktop icon under debian for a partition mounted on /usr/local? |
| 08:44.52 | Amarande | I'm trying to NOT have that icon that says "37.3 GB volume" on the desktop |
| 08:45.10 | Amarande | however, there doesn't seem to be any 'remove from desktop' icon, it can't be dragged to the trash, and the only other options I see to be rid of it are ones that unmount it |
| 08:45.17 | viper5133 | do I have to put a label? |
| 08:46.04 | viper5133 | hello? |
| 08:46.04 | et | viper5133: -places +disks |
| 08:46.13 | et | no, you don't have to, but it doesn't hurt |
| 08:46.19 | viper5133 | ok thanks |
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| 08:47.39 | anddam | hello |
| 08:47.44 | Mithshark | I'm unable to install the kernel via apt in the chroot |
| 08:47.46 | Mithshark | Let me paste |
| 08:48.08 | Mithshark | http://pastebin.com/m2594fd58 |
| 08:49.55 | jelly | Mithshark: you have likely had mixed distributions in /etc/apt/sources.list in the past. Pastebin your sources.list, and the output of apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-686 linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 08:50.15 | jelly | Mithshark: if you do an aptitude update, does the situation improve? |
| 08:50.22 | Mithshark | No |
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| 08:50.55 | Mithshark | http://pastebin.com/m8c653e0 |
| 08:51.27 | lxsameer | Mithshark : give me output of dpkg -C |
| 08:51.40 | Mithshark | No output |
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| 08:53.16 | lxsameer | Mithshark : try to install the linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 08:53.47 | Mithshark | http://pastebin.com/d2f22fe10 |
| 08:55.05 | lxsameer | Mithshark : try to install those dependency |
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| 08:55.12 | Mithshark | They're part of another package |
| 08:55.16 | Mithshark | And I can't find it's name |
| 08:55.24 | lxsameer | Mithshark : do you have some new repo in your sources.list |
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| 08:55.45 | Mithshark | No, only the repo's listed in the guide I'm following (the one I pasted) |
| 08:55.57 | Mithshark | I'm using http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
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| 08:56.24 | Enigma | How can I regenerate missing ssh-host-keys (eg: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key)? I thought they are automatically generated if they dont exist |
| 08:56.58 | lxsameer | Mithshark : did u do apt-get install after adding to sources.list? |
| 08:57.24 | Mithshark | I did a install/update/upgrade |
| 08:57.28 | Mithshark | er |
| 08:57.30 | Mithshark | no install |
| 08:57.44 | Mithshark | Reading package lists... Done |
| 08:57.45 | Mithshark | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 08:57.45 | Mithshark | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 08:58.13 | themill | Mithshark: what's the output of apt-cache policy packagename |
| 08:58.17 | lxsameer | Mithshark : how did u upgrade? |
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| 08:58.36 | Mithshark | lxsameer: It didn't upgrade anything |
| 08:58.46 | grig | hello everybody |
| 08:59.13 | Mithshark | themill: no package found, unless you meant for me to use a certain package |
| 08:59.18 | lxsameer | Mithshark : so do a aptitude -f dist-upgrade |
| 08:59.21 | lxsameer | Mithshark : er safe-upgrade |
| 08:59.59 | Mithshark | aptitude -f safe-upgrade? |
| 09:00.07 | themill | Mithshark: substitute the package name for the package you tried to install: apt-cache policy frobinator |
| 09:00.43 | grig | do you know what kernel will have lenny stable when it will be released? |
| 09:00.50 | Mithshark | themill: http://pastebin.com/d7f02c0 |
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| 09:01.25 | Mithshark | lxsameer: Unless I missed something obvious "Unknown command "safe-upgrade"" |
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| 09:01.54 | themill | lxsameer, Mithshark: safe-upgrade only exists with aptitude in lenny, not etch |
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| 09:02.22 | lxsameer | themill : good hint |
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| 09:03.51 | themill | Mithshark: can you also pastebin the entire output of your aptitude/apt-get run including the command you gave? (not just the last couple of lines) |
| 09:04.37 | anddam | are there any cons in using an hfsplus fs for a storage partition? |
| 09:05.06 | Mithshark | http://pastebin.com/m16519c81 |
| 09:05.10 | anddam | I mean I see these http://paste.debian.net/16665/ |
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| 09:07.01 | RichiH | does anyone know off the top of their heads how & where to change a mailman admin password |
| 09:07.04 | RichiH | ? |
| 09:07.15 | quitte | anddam: jouranling write is not supported and use for poduction environments not recommended |
| 09:07.26 | anddam | quitte: not in production |
| 09:07.50 | quitte | anddam: also make sure that you enable case sensitivity |
| 09:07.58 | Mithshark | themill: I can't seem to use aptitude on any package |
| 09:08.10 | quitte | anddam: adobe products don'T install on case sensitive parttions, though |
| 09:08.11 | anddam | it's just a storage partition, I took the disk from an external box but probably I'll put it in there in future so I'll stay with hfs |
| 09:08.25 | anddam | quitte: for now I'll only use it with lenny |
| 09:08.29 | themill | RichiH: /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mmsitepass |
| 09:08.51 | anddam | quitte: is it possible to change case sensing setting without formatting? |
| 09:08.55 | themill | Mithshark: knoppix != debian |
| 09:09.08 | Mithshark | themill I'm in chroot |
| 09:09.26 | quitte | anddam: i don'T know |
| 09:09.49 | anddam | quitte: lol why are you capitalizing the 'T' ? |
| 09:09.52 | Mithshark | I'm following http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en , and am currently at installing the kernel |
| 09:09.58 | themill | Mithshark: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" as there should be nothing wrong with the initramfs-tools that seems to be problematic |
| 09:10.00 | anddam | quitte: it makes me think of a joke about hfs casing |
| 09:10.35 | Mithshark | http://pastebin.com/m8b41c4e |
| 09:11.14 | themill | Mithshark: you don't have a mirror in your sources.list, you only have an entry for security.debian.org. /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 09:11.15 | Mithshark | Also, thanks for the time, themill, I was about to give up and go back to Gentoo |
| 09:11.23 | RichiH | themill: ta |
| 09:11.37 | themill | Mithshark: no worries. Add a mirror and you'll be fine. |
| 09:11.40 | themill | RichiH: np |
| 09:12.31 | quitte | anddam: i have t press shift for "'" |
| 09:13.13 | Mithshark | themill: http://paste.debian.net/16667/ is invalid? |
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| 09:15.28 | themill | Mithshark: you don't have a "deb" line for a mirror, only a "deb-src" line. If you copy line 1 and change deb-src to deb then apt-get update then you'll be fine |
| 09:15.34 | grig | i have a 2 years old dell laptop, which i would like to use for programming, mainly |
| 09:15.47 | grig | should i install lenny on it? |
| 09:16.04 | grig | i would like to have something stable |
| 09:16.10 | Mithshark | Is there somebody I can report that oversight in the documentation to? |
| 09:16.11 | themill | dpkg: tell grig about moving target |
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| 09:16.59 | Mithshark | And yes, it resolved my issue |
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| 09:17.03 | themill | Mithshark: didn't debootstrap create a default sources.list for you that already had a line "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main"? |
| 09:17.22 | Mithshark | No, it had a comment, that was it |
| 09:17.38 | themill | grig: being a moving target isn't necessarily a bad thing.... but not all people like that way of working |
| 09:17.43 | Mithshark | Although the comment linked to a example that probably had it |
| 09:17.53 | grig | themill: thanks, i already knew that. what i don't know is what to install on the laptop so i will have support for modern hardware |
| 09:17.56 | RichiH | themill: as the man page is laughably short & there are a bazillion lists on that host.. mmsitepass is designed to change the password of mailman as a whole, not that of a single list, correct? |
| 09:18.01 | Mithshark | So again RTFM would have solved the issue |
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| 09:18.27 | grig | if i install lenny now, will i have a stable system after lenny becomes stable? |
| 09:18.43 | grig | should i install etch-and-a-half? |
| 09:18.57 | themill | RichiH: I believe so. I can't recall the last time I used it though... |
| 09:18.58 | Lagbolt | grig, yes, once lenny becomes stable you will |
| 09:19.14 | Lagbolt | and it shouldnt be long |
| 09:19.23 | grig | Lagbolt: thank you very much. it's all i need to know |
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| 09:20.55 | themill | Mithshark: istr debootstrap normally sticks the mirror that you originally told it to use into the sources.list, with section D.3.4.4 suggesting that you add additional lines to that file. |
| 09:21.39 | Mithshark | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
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| 09:21.50 | Mithshark | That's my connection, correct? |
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| 09:22.46 | Mithshark | http://paste.debian.net/16669/ |
| 09:22.52 | Mithshark | Murphy's law is killing me today |
| 09:23.03 | Mithshark | oh |
| 09:23.07 | Mithshark | I see, nevermind |
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| 09:25.12 | Mithshark | Hmm. The package shipped with a symbolic link /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/source |
| 09:25.13 | Mithshark | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:25.13 | Mithshark | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:25.17 | Mithshark | Should that worry me? |
| 09:26.00 | RichiH | themill: any immediate idea what to use to change the admin password of a specific list (sorry for the pause, got a call) |
| 09:26.01 | quitte | Mithshark: why does that link worry you at all? |
| 09:26.15 | Mithshark | I was just making sure it wasn't used anywhere |
| 09:26.26 | Mithshark | It's rare I see apt spit a error like that |
| 09:26.30 | Mithshark | In-fact, I never have |
| 09:26.34 | Mithshark | er warning* |
| 09:26.56 | quitte | Mithshark: oh that was an apt warning? |
| 09:27.00 | Mithshark | Yes |
| 09:27.49 | quitte | Mithshark: wouldn't worry anyway. now it's gone. |
| 09:27.54 | Mithshark | http://paste.debian.net/16671/ |
| 09:27.56 | Mithshark | OK |
| 09:28.28 | Mithshark | This system failing to boot can cost me money ;) |
| 09:28.37 | themill | RichiH: run "withlist" |
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| 09:29.23 | themill | RichiH: (or look at its manpage) |
| 09:29.27 | Mithshark | is grub-install Debian specific? |
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| 09:37.42 | RichiH | themill: thanks, worked |
| 09:37.50 | themill | :) |
| 09:40.17 | Mithshark | How do I have the sshd start on boot? |
| 09:40.47 | themill | Mithshark: install the openssh-server package |
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| 09:41.02 | Mithshark | It starts on boot regardless? |
| 09:41.34 | themill | yep |
| 09:41.50 | Mithshark | Excellent |
| 09:42.19 | Mithshark | I think I'm done.. but I'm hesitant to have my DC techs reboot me off of the cd.. lol... |
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| 09:43.23 | Mithshark | One more thing before I test my luck.. |
| 09:43.29 | Mithshark | Is this valid http://paste.debian.net/16672/ ? |
| 09:43.37 | Mithshark | Assuming I gave it the right information |
| 09:45.58 | nirupama | what is the exact driver for r8139 |
| 09:46.05 | nirupama | and from where can I get it |
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| 09:46.47 | Mithshark | I about made a very fatal mistake. (forgetting to set a root pass) |
| 09:47.36 | nirupama | what is the exact driver for r8139 |
| 09:48.08 | themill | nirupama: 8139cp or 8139too |
| 09:48.23 | nirupama | themill, both |
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| 09:49.02 | viper5323 | hello everyone |
| 09:49.07 | viper5323 | I got Debian installed |
| 09:49.11 | viper5323 | now I have a question |
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| 09:49.35 | grig | hmm. installing lenny from an usb stick doesn't work. it complains about not detecting the CD-ROM. is there an workaround? |
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| 09:50.05 | viper5323 | how do I install the program that lets me change font appearance? Like to "best shapes" or "best contrast"? |
| 09:50.16 | tralala | grig, do you have the .iso on the stick? |
| 09:50.25 | grig | tralala: right |
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| 09:51.22 | Mithshark | Thanks very much for your time and help themill |
| 09:51.27 | viper5323 | Can someone please tell me which "sudo apt get" program I need to change desktop font appearance? |
| 09:52.37 | themill | Mithshark: no worries. Good luck with it. |
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| 09:53.46 | viper5323 | Hello? Is my typing seen in the room? |
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| 09:54.25 | viper5323 | themill, are you there? |
| 09:54.34 | themill | no |
| 09:54.35 | fireba11 | viper5323 : no, we don't see you type :-D |
| 09:55.03 | viper5323 | I didn't install SQL Database in my installation. Do I need it? |
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| 09:55.37 | nirupama | themill, any idea |
| 09:55.50 | grig | tralala: my internet connection was down for a minute. did i miss anything from you? |
| 09:55.52 | themill | nirupama: you can use either |
| 09:56.10 | viper5323 | why am I being ignored? |
| 09:56.17 | nirupama | themill, problem is I dont have any.How to install and activate it |
| 09:56.20 | tralala | grig, no. If you have the .iso I don't know what's the problem. |
| 09:56.32 | grig | tralala: ok. thanks |
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| 09:57.00 | viper5323 | Someone please tell me if I need SQL Database for any reason? What does it do? |
| 09:57.23 | peppe | if you don't know what a sql database is you don't need it >:) |
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| 09:57.30 | grig | viper5323: do you need subpixel rendering for your fonts? is your monitor a LD panel? |
| 09:57.31 | Mithshark | lol |
| 09:58.01 | grig | *LCD |
| 09:58.10 | viper5323 | grig, i just want that program that comes with Ubuntu for changing font appearance, because I have Debian and I dont have the program |
| 09:58.14 | jelly | viper5323: [sql database] if you have to ask, you don't |
| 09:59.10 | grig | viper5323: if you don't mind using vi to modify the xorg.conf file i can give you some hints |
| 09:59.16 | viper5323 | I don't have an LCD, but the program is good for CRT monitors also |
| 09:59.31 | viper5323 | no I just want that program, it's easy to use |
| 09:59.50 | viper5323 | my font is too light, I need to darken it |
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| 10:01.00 | viper5323 | I am need the nvidia xserver program and I need nvidia drivers, so how do I get them? |
| 10:01.01 | Trewas | viper5323: System / Preferences / Appearance / Fonts looks the same here in both ubuntu and debian... that's from gnome-control-center probably |
| 10:01.02 | grig | viper5323: if you enable subpixel rendering on a CRT monitor you only make your xorg sweat with no visible improvement |
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| 10:01.51 | viper5323 | I don't have a "appearance" tab |
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| 10:02.57 | Trewas | viper5323: or is that stable debian? older gnome had font configuration somewhere directly under preferences |
| 10:03.15 | viper5323 | it's stable debian |
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| 10:04.01 | viper5323 | ok found it |
| 10:04.04 | viper5323 | thanks |
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| 10:05.17 | viper5323 | do I just go to package manager to install firefox? |
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| 10:06.49 | viper5323 | which firefox should I download? |
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| 10:07.07 | Zharf | install iceweasel |
| 10:07.24 | viper5323 | why iceweasal? |
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| 10:07.43 | Zharf | because it's the same as firefox |
| 10:07.54 | viper5323 | oh ok, I already have it |
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| 10:09.24 | viper5323 | I think I need my nvidia drivers, and nvidia xserver, how do I get those? |
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| 10:09.52 | viper5323 | should I use envyng? |
| 10:10.56 | jescis | viper5323, you can but then you wont get help from the people here ;) |
| 10:11.16 | viper5323 | why? |
| 10:11.42 | Guerin | because they're made of fail and lose |
| 10:11.58 | jescis | Because they don't support it. |
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| 10:12.13 | viper5323 | it's showing me alsa-tools-gui , is that the same as envyng? |
| 10:12.37 | Guerin | envyng is a program? |
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| 10:12.57 | Guerin | man, devs are vying for the world crecord in the crappest name for your app stakes |
| 10:13.48 | liable | gimp still wins hands down |
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| 10:13.53 | Guerin | nope |
| 10:13.59 | liable | yep |
| 10:14.00 | Guerin | gimp is pretty good - it's pronounceable |
| 10:14.10 | Guerin | ekiga, on the other hand ... |
| 10:14.23 | jescis | Guerin, it's called envy because nvidia is some language's word for envy(forgets the language) ;) |
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| 10:14.48 | Guerin | jescis: oh, so the ng is like -ng. Still, that's chronic fail too. |
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| 10:15.05 | viper5323 | please tell me why envyng doesn't show up in the package manager search? It showed up in Ubuntus |
| 10:15.21 | TuxCrafter | hello everybody, how can i disable ipv6 on debian lenny, i tried http://pastebin.ca/1197075 but this does not seem to work... |
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| 10:15.23 | Guerin | viper5323: it doesn't show up because it's not in the branch of debian you're running |
| 10:15.44 | viper5323 | so I cant use it? |
| 10:15.59 | jescis | viper5323, you can still get it from the main website ;) |
| 10:16.08 | viper5323 | ok thanks |
| 10:16.10 | Guerin | viper5323: you can use what you like. It just means it's not available to you right now. |
| 10:16.12 | liable | TuxCrafter: blacklist it too |
| 10:16.24 | Guerin | and if you get it from upstream we won't support it |
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| 10:18.08 | TuxCrafter | liable: i think i found the issue |
| 10:18.16 | TuxCrafter | liable: the line is comment out in debian lenny |
| 10:18.23 | TuxCrafter | rebooting now |
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| 10:18.37 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: you have an initrd with different settings that still has ipv6 active |
| 10:18.38 | jescis | TuxCrafter, why? |
| 10:18.50 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 10:18.51 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 10:19.20 | TuxCrafter | it should not be nessesary to blacklist the ipv6 to disable it |
| 10:19.32 | viper5323 | ok, I just need to get nvidia drivers and nvidia xserver utility, someone please tell me how |
| 10:19.38 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: but to have it deactivated in the initrd |
| 10:19.55 | valdyn | !nvidia drivers |
| 10:19.56 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 10:20.28 | TuxCrafter | lsmod | grep ipv6 --> now empty succesfull disabled ipv6 |
| 10:21.00 | valdyn | why do people still want to disable ipv6 though? |
| 10:21.08 | liable | crappy routers generally |
| 10:21.09 | TuxCrafter | valdyn: do you have some more info about why and what i should change in the initrd |
| 10:21.22 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: just regenerate it, reinstall the kernel |
| 10:21.35 | liable | i've had two with ipv6 issues |
| 10:21.38 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: or dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 10:21.45 | jelly | valdyn: because the resolver spends time looking up aaaa records needlessly |
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| 10:24.07 | wald0 | i have a keyboard with a Mac style (command?) key, it is recognized by Keycode-131 and 129, is there a Xorg option in the keyboard to change that ? |
| 10:24.16 | geek | i'm trying to get a debian-lenny system up, i'd like to know if there's any way to get it to install KDE during the initial install- i'm using the beta 2 DVD |
| 10:24.26 | TuxCrafter | valdyn: you mean update-initramfs -u |
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| 10:26.43 | tralala | geek, have you read the installation guide? |
| 10:27.19 | geek | tralala: apparently not |
| 10:27.41 | viper5323 | how do I know if I have sarge or etch? |
| 10:27.55 | tralala | viper5323, cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 10:28.31 | jescis | viper5323, or uname -a |
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| 10:29.08 | viper5323 | do I type uname -a in the terminal? |
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| 10:29.14 | geek | tralala: erf. need to use a cheatcode... i'm midway through the install |
| 10:29.25 | jescis | viper5323, yes |
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| 10:29.54 | viper5323 | it doesn't say if it's etch or sarge |
| 10:29.59 | viper5323 | it just has some number |
| 10:30.28 | avu | viper5323, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:30.43 | viper5323 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.44 | tralala | geek, perhaps you'll be able to select kde after the base install |
| 10:30.48 | avu | viper5323, cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 10:31.11 | avu | viper5323, but that's likely to be etch, based on the kernel version |
| 10:31.16 | jescis | viper5323, 2.6.18 is etch |
| 10:31.24 | avu | viper5323, to be sure, use cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:31.27 | eddieBB | how hard is learning how to write scripts on a scale of 1 - 10? 1 = tying a shoe and 10 = watching the MTV awards without committing suicide. |
| 10:31.33 | geek | tralala: trying to avoid that, since i pretty much only need KDE or Gnome for network manager |
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| 10:31.41 | geek | eddieBB: depends on the script |
| 10:31.44 | avu | jescis, you can't be sure about that, the kernel version is not sure indicator of the debian version |
| 10:31.59 | avu | jescis, (allthough you are likely to be right in this case of course) |
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| 10:32.21 | eddieBB | geek: basically i want a script that extracts rar's and re-rar's/renames them. |
| 10:32.27 | viper5323 | there is no folder called debian version under /etc |
| 10:32.34 | geek | eddieBB: 2 or a 3 |
| 10:32.46 | jescis | you're right. |
| 10:33.04 | eddieBB | geek: okay. do you know of a good website that can help me? |
| 10:33.06 | tralala | geek, it's also possible to install only network manager without gnome or kde |
| 10:33.25 | tralala | after the installation as well |
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| 10:34.08 | viper5323 | ok I cant find the version, there is no folder called debian_version |
| 10:34.13 | geek | tralala: yeah but this system has been a pain. only way to get online is via wireless |
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| 10:34.30 | grig | when installing debian from usb stick, if it complians about not detecting the cd-rom, just press alt-f2, mount -o ro /dev/sdXY /cdrom, alt-f1 and select 'detect and mount cd-rom' |
| 10:35.00 | viper5323 | ok the debian version is 4.0 |
| 10:35.04 | viper5323 | what is that? |
| 10:35.07 | tralala | etch |
| 10:35.14 | viper5323 | ok thanks |
| 10:35.40 | tralala | geek, if you have the dvd you can install packages from there |
| 10:35.46 | geek | tralala: hmm |
| 10:36.11 | viper5323 | How do I make sure APT has non-free and contrib sources? |
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| 10:36.25 | geek | i suppose so. i could do minimal install then pop kde and network manager out of it |
| 10:36.37 | tralala | viper5323, /msg dpkg non-free |
| 10:36.42 | geek | viper5323: take a look at you /etc/apt/sources.lst ? |
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| 10:38.25 | crazyfrog | i want to install w32codes ,but i can not find the proper sources |
| 10:39.06 | viper5323 | Ok this was in my /etc/spt/sources.list : # |
| 10:39.07 | tralala | crazyfrog, /msg dpkg multimedia |
| 10:39.07 | viper5323 | # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r4a _Etch_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20080803-21:07]/ etch contrib main |
| 10:39.07 | viper5323 | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r4a _Etch_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20080803-21:07]/ etch contrib main |
| 10:39.07 | viper5323 | deb http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/ etch main |
| 10:39.07 | viper5323 | deb-src http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/ etch main |
| 10:39.07 | viper5323 | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
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| 10:39.25 | geek | ,,,, |
| 10:39.32 | eddieBB | what's the best website/book to learn how to script? |
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| 10:39.37 | viper5323 | sorry |
| 10:39.42 | beardy | !absg eddieBB |
| 10:39.43 | dpkg | eddieBB: abs-guide is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . It is also packaged, 'aptitude install abs-guide'. |
| 10:39.54 | beardy | eddieBB: Depends on which language you had in mind. |
| 10:39.56 | viper5323 | but what does that mean? |
| 10:40.03 | beardy | !pastebin |
| 10:40.03 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 10:40.06 | eddieBB | beardy: english |
| 10:40.08 | beardy | viper5323: ^^^ |
| 10:40.15 | geek | i said take a look at ;p. make sure its got a non free and contrib source added. you have contrib, not nonfree |
| 10:40.23 | tralala | eddieBB, scripting language |
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| 10:40.41 | viper5323 | so how do I get non-free? |
| 10:40.43 | eddieBB | tralala: which is the easiest? |
| 10:40.45 | beardy | !non-free |
| 10:40.45 | dpkg | non-free is probably a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 10:41.24 | beardy | !tell viper5323 about non-free sources |
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| 10:41.50 | tralala | eddieBB, depends what you plan to do. For general programming I suggest python. |
| 10:42.09 | crazyfrog | tralala:where can i get multimedia packages such as w32codes |
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| 10:42.23 | beardy | !debian-multimedia |
| 10:42.24 | dpkg | methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 10:42.29 | eddieBB | tralala: i need to make a script that uses 'rar' to extract and repack/rename rars |
| 10:42.37 | viper5323 | ok that website just has a list of non-free sources, it doesn't tell me how to install them |
| 10:43.00 | tralala | eddieBB, then you need bash scripting. See the link beardy gave you. |
| 10:43.24 | h3king | clear |
| 10:43.31 | tralala | viper5323, read man sources.list |
| 10:43.40 | eddieBB | tralala: okay. so i don't need python right? |
| 10:43.44 | tralala | right |
| 10:43.46 | beardy | h3king: *zzzzzzap* |
| 10:43.58 | eddieBB | tralala: okay. thanks. and thanks for the link beardy |
| 10:44.07 | tralala | eddieBB, you're welcome |
| 10:44.13 | beardy | eddieBB: You're welcome. |
| 10:44.17 | h3king | beardy: *what?* |
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| 10:44.29 | viper5323 | what is man sources.list and where do I find it? |
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| 10:44.39 | beardy | !sources.list |
| 10:44.39 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 10:45.46 | viper5323 | Ok, I dont understand any of that |
| 10:46.04 | beardy | !tell viper5323 about grounding |
| 10:46.05 | tralala | viper5323, do you use gnome or kde? |
| 10:46.12 | viper5323 | gnome |
| 10:46.12 | beardy | Th-th-that's all folks. |
| 10:46.26 | beardy | poofs. |
| 10:46.40 | tralala | viper5323, go to the help, manual pages and find sources.list |
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| 10:49.13 | crazyfrog | i installed both kde and GNOME.how to switch GONME to KDE? |
| 10:49.35 | lxsameer | all : how can i use splashy to run at boot time |
| 10:49.52 | tralala | crazyfrog, uninstall gdm |
| 10:50.07 | tralala | and install kdm in case you don't have it |
| 10:50.17 | geek | tralala: you should be able to select with gdm shouldn't you? |
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| 10:50.30 | viper5323 | ok that manual is too complex, I just need to know in plain english how to add the non-free sources |
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| 10:51.07 | tralala | viper5323, in plain english if manuals are too complex, you shouldn't be running linux |
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| 10:51.36 | unop | crazyfrog, just set your default session to KDE (at the login screen) |
| 10:51.59 | tralala | geek, yes, but you really want to use kde with kdm |
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| 10:52.21 | unop | tralala, you don't have to |
| 10:52.25 | viper5323 | it tells me I have to add the sources to my sources.list file, but I don't have the address for the non-free sources, and I don't know exactly what to copy and paste into that sources.list file |
| 10:52.35 | tralala | unop, no, but you _want_ to |
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| 10:53.07 | unop | tralala, I shouldn't _want_ to .. and that doesn't make sense |
| 10:53.15 | tralala | ok |
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| 10:53.36 | viper5323 | why can't someone here just tell me what to do step-by-step? Is it that hard to explain? |
| 10:53.46 | themill | dpkg: tell viper5323 about non-free sources |
| 10:53.58 | tralala | !+tell viper5323 -about fishing |
| 10:53.58 | dpkg | told viper5323 about fishing. |
| 10:54.08 | viper5323 | fishing? |
| 10:54.08 | tralala | viper5323, that's why ^^ |
| 10:54.28 | viper5323 | so you are saying I am being a user? |
| 10:54.45 | didar | dpkg: tell me about fishing |
| 10:54.45 | Mithshark | should that be fishing or phishing? o_O |
| 10:54.56 | tralala | didar, just msg the bot |
| 10:55.05 | viper5323 | what are you guys talking about? |
| 10:55.20 | themill | viper5323: read the messages that dpkg just sent you |
| 10:55.20 | Mithshark | Oh |
| 10:55.33 | tralala | viper5323, just out of curiosity: how come you got to use linux? |
| 10:55.46 | cyberia | hi, some application wants me to have gcc-4.1.3 but i only have 4.1.2. well, how can i change my version to 4.1.3 as there is no package |
| 10:56.39 | tralala | cyberia, some out-of-debian application? |
| 10:56.47 | cyberia | yes |
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| 10:57.31 | tralala | then you'll need out-of-debian gcc or (recommened) consider a different application |
| 10:57.42 | cyberia | vmware server needs to build some modules and wants to build some modules |
| 10:57.56 | themill | dpkg: tell cyberia about vmware compiler fix |
| 10:59.12 | cyberia | themill: already know that but my problem is a little bit different |
| 10:59.27 | Mithshark | How so? |
| 10:59.34 | cyberia | im not trying to use 4.3, i try to use 4.1.2 while my kernel seems to be built with 4.1.3 |
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| 11:00.09 | themill | cyberia: not if it's a debian kernel it's not |
| 11:00.10 | tralala | cyberia, show us your "uname -a" |
| 11:00.11 | Mithshark | That's what ot told you the fix for, unless I'm horribly mistaken |
| 11:00.38 | cyberia | Linux radix 2.6.23-1-686 |
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| 11:00.46 | Mithshark | radix? |
| 11:00.51 | tralala | !radix |
| 11:00.55 | themill | Mithshark: that's the name of the machine |
| 11:00.58 | cyberia | its name ;-) |
| 11:00.59 | cyberia | well that kernel is modified to support some |
| 11:01.01 | Mithshark | Oh, yeah |
| 11:01.08 | cyberia | hardware additional hardware |
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| 11:01.22 | cyberia | mhm, it is possible to run vmware-images with something else like virtualbox? |
| 11:01.25 | themill | cyberia: cat /proc/version |
| 11:01.27 | tralala | cyberia, where did you get this kernel from? |
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| 11:01.59 | cyberia | well someone in irc told me to use :) |
| 11:02.07 | geek | cyberia: IIRC virtualbox can read vmware images IIRC |
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| 11:02.57 | cyberia | ill try to follow that way, i dont like to have that vmware-stuff on my box anyway |
| 11:02.58 | cyberia | :D |
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| 11:03.39 | themill | cyberia: also, /msg dpkg vmware-package |
| 11:03.43 | cyberia | themill: |
| 11:03.44 | cyberia | Linux version 2.6.23-1-686 (Debian 2.6.23-2) (maks@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20071209 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-18)) #1 SMP Fri Dec 21 13:57:07 UTC 2007 |
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| 11:04.36 | dr-evil | hi all |
| 11:04.39 | cyberia | themill: already found that, but i dont want to build my own package :) |
| 11:04.41 | themill | cyberia: that's an old and unsupported kernel (it's not in any current debian release). You might consider upgrading to a supported kernel like 2.6.26. |
| 11:04.42 | dr-evil | need help with evolution |
| 11:04.49 | Mithshark | is dpkg exempt from flood restrictions? |
| 11:05.04 | dr-evil | the problem is about freezing it randomly |
| 11:05.17 | dr-evil | how to get info why evolution freezes? |
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| 11:05.35 | cyberia | themill: well, i'm not used to work on kernels so i'm kinda unsure what will happen if i upgrade, as the usual kernel from the etch released wasnt working on my machine |
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| 11:05.39 | themill | cyberia: why not? It's not hard work (it's easier than dealing with vmware's own installer). |
| 11:05.54 | themill | cyberia: are you running etch or lenny? |
| 11:06.02 | cyberia | etch |
| 11:06.12 | tralala | cyberia, etchnhalf has .26 |
| 11:06.18 | themill | tralala: .24 |
| 11:06.29 | tralala | oh, well newer anyway |
| 11:06.30 | themill | cyberia: you'd be better off with a kernel from backports.org rather than trying to stuff a lenny kernel into etch |
| 11:06.58 | themill | cyberia: or use the etchnhalf kernel as tralala said. /msg dpkg etchnhalf ; /msg dpkg backports.org |
| 11:09.32 | cyberia | mhm etchnhalf sound good to me |
| 11:09.32 | crazyfrog | i want to uninstall gnome,which package should i uninstall |
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| 11:09.45 | themill | !remove gnome |
| 11:09.45 | cyberia | maybe i should try to use that kernel |
| 11:09.45 | dpkg | from memory, remove gnome is aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common |
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| 11:10.14 | tralala | cyberia, far better than a random unsupported one |
| 11:10.50 | raidghost | Anyone that have experience with debian and ip routing of static ip-adresses from a debian gw ? |
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| 11:11.24 | HolyTux | raidghost: what do you mean |
| 11:11.29 | raidghost | I need some advice of how i can do it in a propper way. |
| 11:11.38 | raidghost | HolyTux: If i have 7 static ip-adresses |
| 11:11.40 | HolyTux | raidghost: setting up a gw? |
| 11:11.47 | raidghost | HolyTux: let me explain. |
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| 11:12.12 | tralala | raidghost, your router is running debian? |
| 11:12.33 | raidghost | I have a debian gw as router (connected to the sdsl modem) I have 7 Static Ip-adresses routed from my isp. |
| 11:12.48 | raidghost | I wanna setup so the dhcp gives the local lan computers 1 of the 7 static |
| 11:13.19 | tralala | raidghost, consider shorewall - it's documented very well and it's somewhat easier than manual rules. |
| 11:13.27 | Mithshark | sdsl with 7 IPs O_O, nice |
| 11:14.11 | raidghost | Is it possible that dhcp can release the computers one of the 7 static ip-adresses |
| 11:14.25 | raidghost | Instead of using nat (like everone goes online from the same ip) |
| 11:14.43 | Nibbler | sure, just edit dhcpd.conf |
| 11:15.34 | Nibbler | raidghost: and add the 7 free adresses... yet i doubt you'll have 7 adresses left :) |
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| 11:15.44 | tralala | raidghost, are you going to do some filtering or full routing? |
| 11:15.58 | raidghost | full routing. |
| 11:17.07 | raidghost | Nibbler: 62.72.1.140 > 62.73.1.146 |
| 11:17.12 | raidghost | as example. |
| 11:17.19 | Nibbler | well, one will be the router, so 6 left :) |
| 11:17.42 | raidghost | Then 6 left. correct. |
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| 11:18.02 | tralala | raidghost, you're aware that this will help all the malware on the internet to target the machines, right? |
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| 11:20.45 | raidghost | tralala: gonna have a filter so the debian gw blocks attacks |
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| 11:21.17 | tralala | raidghost, okay, use shorewall |
| 11:21.28 | tralala | it will do the routing and the filtering for you |
| 11:22.14 | raidghost | i am using iptables at the moment + nat |
| 11:22.54 | tralala | so is shorewall, only better |
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| 11:27.47 | Nibbler | its just a handful of netfilter rules you need..... |
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| 11:37.38 | danielig | Hey, I have a problem with a port being used I have port 8080 used with a tcp connection but I want to close this connection, what do i have to do? |
| 11:37.53 | Nibbler | fuser -k 8080/tcp |
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| 11:38.48 | Nibbler | or: find the pid (fuser/losf/netstat) and kill (kill) it :) |
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| 11:41.16 | danielig | http://pastebin.ca/1197132 |
| 11:42.16 | Mithshark | /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off |
| 11:42.17 | Mithshark | http://paste.debian.net/16681/ |
| 11:42.37 | Mithshark | Been googline for awhile an dhave foudn nothing relavent |
| 11:43.01 | Mithshark | Been googling for awhile and found nothing relevant* |
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| 11:45.38 | Mithshark | If /boot is /dev/hda1 do I need to use hda(0,1) ? |
| 11:46.23 | tralala | Mithshark, hd(0,0) |
| 11:46.33 | Mithshark | That's what I'm using |
| 11:46.47 | Mithshark | should root be /'s partation, or the boot partition? |
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| 11:47.17 | Mithshark | 0,0 is interface 0, drive 0, correct? |
| 11:47.33 | tralala | Mithshark, why are you messing around with the grub config? |
| 11:47.45 | Mithshark | I'm installing debian to a remote server over ssh |
| 11:47.50 | viper5323 | how do I message someone in xchat? |
| 11:47.52 | joltcan | first number is drive, second is partition iirc |
| 11:47.53 | Mithshark | This was my first boot attempt |
| 11:47.57 | viper5323 | MindCr you there? |
| 11:48.01 | Mithshark | [06:42:08] <Mithshark> http://paste.debian.net/16681/ |
| 11:48.43 | Mithshark | I've investigated it and alot of users are finding errors with 'root' in grub |
| 11:49.03 | Mithshark | I seet root in grub to the partition with /, should I have set it to /boot's partition? |
| 11:49.04 | tralala | Mithshark, and the debian installer didn't configure grub correctly? |
| 11:49.22 | tralala | no, you shouldn't have, root has to be / |
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| 11:49.35 | Mithshark | You know as much as I do, I ran it, and rebooted and this is the output |
| 11:49.46 | Mithshark | I set root to /dev/hda3 which was / |
| 11:50.05 | jaalto | In knoquerer, is it possible to configure it to behave like Windows mouse-1 drag'n'drop to do "Copy". Now it alwasy brings up dialog box to ask what to do. This is quite slow for many motions |
| 11:50.10 | Mithshark | Let me have them put it on a live cd (20+ min :/), and I'll paste grub I guess |
| 11:50.35 | tralala | Mithshark, perhaps it's sda and not hda? |
| 11:50.40 | Mithshark | it's hda |
| 11:51.01 | Mithshark | I didn't have to make any changes to grub by eye |
| 11:51.11 | Mithshark | I've actually used grub alot, only with Gentoo, and not Debian |
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| 11:51.55 | Mithshark | I just encountered this same problem and I had a USB Flash Drive in at the same time. I removed the flash drive and it booted right up. So I guess you might check for that. |
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| 11:52.07 | Mithshark | Do you think that my optical or floppy drives could be associated with it? |
| 11:53.12 | tralala | no |
| 11:53.38 | grub | you get that when you have wrong root= and hd(x,y) |
| 11:54.05 | Mithshark | Well, I should be on a livecd soon and can look |
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| 11:54.54 | OpenTokix | Mithshark: you can get around that by using labels instead, or UUID |
| 11:55.05 | Mithshark | Lousy host for not supporting anything other than "enterprise" distros :( |
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| 11:55.24 | Mithshark | I think it's the same config I used with gentoo more or less |
| 11:55.47 | Mithshark | I had a harddrive failure yesterday, and have been down for almost 12 hours now |
| 11:56.10 | raidghost | One other thing i would like to know is. How to set default charset for mail handling ? |
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| 11:57.57 | abrotman | raidghost: that's done by the mail client IIRC |
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| 12:00.05 | raidghost | So cant use sendmail with ÆØÅ without that it be like ??? |
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| 12:03.19 | crazyfrog | i have just installed the stardict package,but i t does not work,it can not translat anything |
| 12:04.27 | crazyfrog | is it because it lacks directory database? |
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| 12:05.38 | starscalling | o: |
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| 12:08.43 | starscalling | asdf |
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| 12:11.13 | thrice` | hi all; is there a debian USB image of "testing" (lenny?) available ? |
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| 12:13.27 | tralala | thrice`, /msg dpkg usb install |
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| 12:14.00 | thrice` | ah, cool - thanks :) |
| 12:14.24 | thrice` | i've never used debian, and figure now might be a good try :) |
| 12:15.39 | avu | thrice`, you might want to stick to stable if you want a smooth first ride though |
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| 12:17.13 | thrice` | the testing part doesn't bother me too much :) |
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| 12:23.08 | Mithshark | Anyone here remember my issue? Does /boot have to be set as ro? |
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| 12:24.27 | tralala | Mithshark, it has to be rw |
| 12:24.54 | enouf | er .. |
| 12:25.02 | Mithshark | OG, it's writable, but in fdisk, I removed the ro attribute |
| 12:25.05 | Mithshark | OK* |
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| 12:25.49 | fireba11 | ok |
| 12:26.52 | Mithshark | Annoying it takes 40+ minute to boot to a Knoppix live disk though |
| 12:27.38 | tralala | try booting grml next time |
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| 12:28.19 | kommodore | why do you need knoppix live disk? not something slimmer like slax? |
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| 12:29.57 | enouf | atleast boot knoppix 2 |
| 12:30.05 | enouf | so no X comes up :-p |
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| 12:30.45 | enouf | has a grml.org small though ;-) |
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| 12:36.37 | viper5323 | for video card bus identifier, do I put PCI:03:00.0 or PCI-EXPRESS:03:00:0 ??? Anyone know?? |
| 12:36.56 | viper5323 | I have a pci-express card |
| 12:37.06 | tralala | you leave the default |
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| 12:37.40 | viper5323 | there is no default, it's asking me for video card identifier, and it's blank |
| 12:37.59 | viper5323 | so which one do I put? |
| 12:38.08 | Mallxs | Hi what is the prvered ftpserver at the moment ? |
| 12:38.33 | themill | Mallxs: sftp through openssh-server. /msg dpkg ftpmustdie |
| 12:38.41 | Mithshark | kommodore: It's a leased server with TP. I either use RIPLinux, or Knoppix. RIPLinux doesn't have a C compiler |
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| 12:39.11 | viper5323 | Please tell me: for video card bus identifier, do I put PCI:03:00.0 or PCI-EXPRESS:03:00:0 ??? Anyone know? |
| 12:39.25 | viper5323 | I have PCI-Express video card |
| 12:39.36 | enouf | viper5323: so what |
| 12:39.53 | viper5323 | so which one do I put? |
| 12:39.54 | tralala | viper5323, leave it blank |
| 12:40.18 | viper5323 | leave it blank? why? |
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| 12:40.24 | fantasticmrfox | Lo, I'm on Debian Lenny, using Audacity 1.3.5-beta... my speakers output what I speak (i.e. mic is unmuted on 'Playback') yet audacity doesn't record into the audio track what I say... any tips? |
| 12:40.29 | enouf | you either a) leave it blank like normal people, b) look at your Xorg.0.log, or c) interpret the lspci output |
| 12:40.51 | Mithshark | enouf: They use a modified version of Knoppix, there is no X on it |
| 12:40.58 | kommodore | viper5323: you don't need to specify |
| 12:41.05 | viper5323 | ok thanks |
| 12:41.24 | enouf | Mithshark: they? .. well that's not knoppix then, is it ;-) |
| 12:41.27 | viper5323 | amount of memory to be used by video card? |
| 12:41.41 | viper5323 | leave it blank also? |
| 12:41.58 | Mithshark | enouf: It's Linux, are two copies ever the same? |
| 12:42.02 | Mithshark | They being The Planet |
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| 12:42.03 | kommodore | viper5323: choose anything... that line should be commented in your xorg.conf anyway |
| 12:42.12 | enouf | viper5323: depends - the nv driver doesn't pay attention to that config option |
| 12:42.18 | Mithshark | Welcome to Knoppix! |
| 12:42.18 | Mithshark | root@Knoppix:~# |
| 12:42.24 | viper5323 | so I can leave it blank? |
| 12:42.43 | xand | yes |
| 12:42.44 | enouf | Mithshark: er .. all distros that are based on knoppix will say that ;-) |
| 12:42.46 | tralala | viper5323, yes, leave it blank. |
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| 12:43.07 | viper5323 | Use kernel framebuffer device interface? |
| 12:43.11 | Mithshark | enouf: It isn't a fork. It's Knoppix with modified startup options, etc |
| 12:43.24 | Mithshark | It's configuration on boot, that's it |
| 12:43.25 | enouf | Mithshark: stop being a dunce please |
| 12:43.35 | Mithshark | How am I? |
| 12:43.43 | viper5323 | What do I put for this: Use kernel framebuffer device interface? |
| 12:43.46 | Mithshark | I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying |
| 12:43.55 | Mithshark | Debian without X is still Debian |
| 12:44.06 | enouf | Mithshark: you are going into the b0z0 box now, as this has nothing to do with #debian - and, you are utterly mistaken |
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| 12:44.23 | viper5323 | can someone please tell me what to put for this: Use kernel framebuffer device interface? |
| 12:44.32 | Mithshark | enouf: Flaming isn't fun, so let us both forget this argument |
| 12:44.34 | enouf | if you can't boot with knoppix 2 and get no x, it ain't knoppix |
| 12:44.47 | enouf | if you can't get X if you want it - it ain't knoppix |
| 12:45.22 | enouf | now .. maybe we can move onto what ain't Debian ;-) |
| 12:45.32 | tralala | viper5323, give default answers (or blanks) to any questions you don't understand |
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| 12:45.40 | jelly | grml is an acceptable livecd for fixing things |
| 12:45.49 | torr | do you know if netcat can send each char when I write it and not waid for \n? |
| 12:45.57 | enouf | it's a beauty - especially the small one |
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| 12:46.29 | enouf | (booting it to a p150 is a bit tricky though - must pass many nothis, nothat options ;-)) |
| 12:46.32 | viper5323 | it won't let me leave that one blank: Use kernel framebuffer device interface? |
| 12:46.38 | John0321 | how would i logout using the terminal inside gnome, i tried logout doesnt work, and yes i searched google |
| 12:46.42 | tralala | torr, the waiting (buffering) is likey done by the terminal and not netcat |
| 12:46.45 | viper5323 | I have a 512mb Geforce 8800GT video card |
| 12:46.49 | enouf | viper5323: no |
| 12:46.59 | enouf | say no to kernel framebuffer |
| 12:47.04 | avu | John0321, gnome-session can do that |
| 12:47.06 | Mithshark | So this is my grub: http://paste.debian.net/16685/ |
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| 12:47.13 | torr | tralala, any way to go around it? |
| 12:47.17 | DerGuteMoritz | hey everyone, is it possible to get a source package when it's still listed on http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/? |
| 12:47.17 | viper5323 | autodetect keyboard layout? |
| 12:47.23 | avu | John0321, I don't remember the exact option though, gnome-session --help shoult, well, help :) |
| 12:47.31 | Mithshark | and enouf: It is actually foolish of me to argue as I'm the one requesting help here, not giving it ;) |
| 12:47.37 | John0321 | ty |
| 12:47.41 | f00li5h | meows |
| 12:47.45 | DerGuteMoritz | I'm particularly interested in http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/jruby1.1_1.1.3-2.html |
| 12:47.46 | viper5323 | yes or no for "autodetect keyboard layout?" |
| 12:47.56 | tralala | torr, no idea. Perhaps someone on #bash will now more about terminals |
| 12:48.01 | enouf | Mithshark: no worries |
| 12:48.08 | enouf | viper5323: sure |
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| 12:48.31 | enouf | viper5323: should we handhold you a tad more? :-) |
| 12:48.37 | Mithshark | Well on boot I get http://paste.debian.net/16681/ and menu.lst is http://paste.debian.net/16685/ |
| 12:48.39 | jelly | <enouf> say no to kernel framebuffer # this should be made into a poster |
| 12:48.51 | enouf | hehe |
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| 12:49.27 | zxxd | is there a tool like diff that can compare two directories and sub dirs , but can also compare file permissions and owenership? |
| 12:49.31 | enouf | nancy reagan ... |
| 12:49.43 | Mithshark | This is a huge pain for me as I have to wait a hour between reboots (thankfully I've only had to once) |
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| 12:50.02 | viper5323 | which mouse port? |
| 12:50.21 | enouf | which one are you using? |
| 12:50.31 | viper5323 | regular USB mouse |
| 12:50.43 | enouf | not unleaded? :-P |
| 12:50.56 | tralala | viper5323, ps/2 |
| 12:51.05 | viper5323 | /dev/input/mice ? |
| 12:51.08 | tralala | yes |
| 12:51.10 | enouf | yep |
| 12:51.28 | Mithshark | If /boot is hda1 and / is hda3 (swap hda2), what's wrong with that grub config? :/ |
| 12:51.38 | viper5323 | ImPS2 or ExplorerPS2 ? |
| 12:51.48 | enouf | likely the latter |
| 12:52.20 | viper5323 | ExplorerPS2? you sure? It's a logitech corded optical mouse |
| 12:52.48 | enouf | well, logitech might use a certain module to enable all 5200 of it's buttons ;-) |
| 12:52.52 | tralala | viper5323, try the one, if it's not working, try the other |
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| 12:53.46 | enouf | viper5323: but yeah, mostly mice are generic, but the explorer one is more recent than imps2 |
| 12:54.48 | mjauu | hey gaize :> |
| 12:55.01 | mjauu | how do I know if a service will be up on reboot or not in debian? |
| 12:55.08 | viper5323 | X.Org server modules that should be loaded by default: ? |
| 12:55.13 | viper5323 | should I leave it blank? |
| 12:55.16 | mjauu | err, initialized on boot I mean |
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| 12:56.05 | viper5323 | should I leave that blank? |
| 12:56.10 | viper5323 | X.Org server modules that should be loaded by default: |
| 12:56.17 | enouf | mjauu: see if a script for it is in /etc/init.d/ and it's relative symlinks are in the runlevels you require |
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| 12:56.35 | viper5323 | enouf? |
| 12:56.36 | enouf | viper5323: many should be, but to start it's ok without many |
| 12:56.50 | Mithshark | How would I use UUID fro root? |
| 12:56.53 | Mithshark | for* |
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| 12:56.58 | viper5323 | so I should type "many"? |
| 12:57.02 | enouf | viper5323: aren't there a bunch already ticked? |
| 12:57.17 | enouf | oh .. maybe i misunderstand where you are in the config |
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| 12:57.26 | kommodore | Mithshark: I ran into similar problem on my desktop a while ago... end up grub-install to /dev/hdb and boot from /dev/hdb solves the problem |
| 12:57.41 | enouf | Mithshark: root=UUID=3243546543543 |
| 12:57.57 | Mithshark | kommodore: hdb doesn't exist though |
| 12:58.11 | Mithshark | I'm guessing now, it takes me around a hour per test though |
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| 12:58.16 | trifler | Mithshark: sdb? |
| 12:58.18 | mjauu | enouf: ok, tahnks :> |
| 12:58.22 | viper5323 | enouf, please look at this: http://pastebin.com/m1f33bcd7 |
| 12:58.23 | zamba | when configuring pppoe, how do i know if pap-secrets or chap-secrets are used? |
| 12:58.34 | DerGuteMoritz | hm nobody knows? :( |
| 12:58.36 | Mithshark | I have to submit a ticket, piss techies off, and wait 60 minutes to boot from knoppix it seems |
| 12:58.42 | Mithshark | Single drive on hda |
| 12:58.43 | enouf | mjauu: /msg dpkg update-rc.d and /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 12:59.02 | enouf | mjauu: and /msg dpkg grounding ;-) |
| 12:59.05 | clusty | i am protecting my server against hammering attacks with denyhosts (which uses tcpwrappers). Is apache protected as well? (once the host is blacklited) |
| 12:59.06 | kommodore | I know... on my desktop I have 2 pata HD and 1 sata... switching the boot-order to /dev/hdb rather than /dev/hda and grub-install to /dev/hdb solved my problem |
| 12:59.09 | viper5323 | someone please look at this and tell me what to select: http://pastebin.com/m1f33bcd7 |
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| 12:59.38 | enouf | DerGuteMoritz: i would doubt it .. though i might be mistaken .. one sec |
| 12:59.39 | kommodore | before that I tried reinstall grub on /dev/hda, or even creating a new /boot partition... didn't help |
| 13:00.17 | mjauu | =) |
| 13:00.34 | Mithshark | I have a 80GB UATA 133 on hda, a floppy on fd0, and a cdrom on hde.. |
| 13:00.34 | DerGuteMoritz | enouf: cool, thanks in advance |
| 13:00.40 | Mithshark | Why would it be hde? |
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| 13:01.12 | Mithshark | http://paste.debian.net/16688/ |
| 13:01.25 | justin | Mithshark: read your dmesg output |
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| 13:01.52 | enouf | DerGuteMoritz: you 1st have to wait for it to be accepted, iinm, and it's not yet on the incoming list |
| 13:01.58 | viper5323 | enouf, do i leave it blank? |
| 13:01.59 | ArtVandalae | Hi guys, I'm looking for mkfs.ntfs... but I can't seem to find what package it's in. How can I find out? |
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| 13:02.17 | enouf | viper5323: patience ... |
| 13:02.17 | abrotman | !tell ArtVandalae about search |
| 13:02.23 | DerGuteMoritz | enouf: alright then, thanks for the info! |
| 13:02.35 | Mithshark | justin: How would I grab the dmesg from it from within the live cd enviroment? |
| 13:03.03 | enouf | DerGuteMoritz: the list you see is described as "New Packages uploaded to the archive, but not yet accepted" .. so i would say you have to wait ;-) |
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| 13:03.44 | DerGuteMoritz | enouf: sure, I just thought maybe one could manually download the source package somewhere and take the risk building it ;) |
| 13:03.50 | justin | Mithshark: by running dmesg? |
| 13:03.54 | Mithshark | Perhaps my DC techs have some externel media plugged in on boot? |
| 13:04.03 | viper5323 | enouf, can you help me now please? |
| 13:04.04 | Mithshark | All I have is output from Knoppix justin |
| 13:04.08 | Mithshark | I'm not chrooted either |
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| 13:04.41 | justin | Mithshark: what is your actual problem? |
| 13:04.54 | Mithshark | http://paste.debian.net/16681/ |
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| 13:05.28 | danielig | thanks Nibbler |
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| 13:05.45 | justin | Mithshark: you don't have serial console access? or the rest of the boot message? |
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| 13:05.50 | heroxbd | I loop mounted a .img image and want to write things into it. It gives "No spaces left". How can I modify the content of the image. |
| 13:05.54 | Mithshark | That's all I have |
| 13:06.05 | viper5323 | Can someone PLEASE tell me what to select here: http://pastebin.com/m86c8f4c |
| 13:06.12 | Mithshark | I've found hundreds of articles related all having to do with grub |
| 13:06.14 | enouf | viper5323: what card is that again? |
| 13:06.20 | adnc | hello, i can't find the package dkimproxy is this depricated or doesnt it exist anymore or is there meanwhile an alternatif for it? |
| 13:06.24 | viper5323 | geforce8800GT |
| 13:06.32 | justin | viper5323: what are you doing? |
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| 13:06.37 | kommodore | heroxbd: make a new .img, copy over, and modify, cover the .img? |
| 13:06.38 | enouf | viper5323: relax ... sheesh ... some of us are actually working .. and doing other shit |
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| 13:06.48 | viper5323 | installing nvidia driver |
| 13:06.58 | enouf | i don't want to help you anymore now ... |
| 13:07.18 | adnc | is anyone running a mailserver on his debian with dkim/domainkey ? |
| 13:07.20 | viper5323 | I waited 20 min without a response, I am being very patient |
| 13:07.31 | enouf | !hurry |
| 13:07.31 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
| 13:07.32 | Mithshark | As they are helping others.. |
| 13:07.37 | heroxbd | kommodore: If I copy over, does the bootsector still work? |
| 13:07.48 | stew | adnc: yes |
| 13:07.53 | kommodore | don't know... |
| 13:08.02 | madk | nmap localhost tells, ipp port is open, nmap from the client machine doesnt see ipp port at all! what's wrong? client is even in /etc/hosts.allow and i think i configured /etc/cups/cupsd.conf right... |
| 13:08.05 | kommodore | what boot sector? |
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| 13:08.20 | viper5323 | I am almost done installing the driver, can someone just tell me this last thing? |
| 13:08.23 | heroxbd | kommodore: DOS. |
| 13:08.30 | adnc | stew: hello, i'm looking and looking but i can not really find anything. i used dkmi-filter but this is only for dkim and no signing fo mails happen. what do i have to use for domainkey signing? |
| 13:08.39 | justin | viper5323: you're isntalling the driver wrong. |
| 13:08.46 | madk | http://pastebin.ca/1197183 this is my cupsd.conf |
| 13:09.00 | kommodore | errrrgh |
| 13:09.23 | enouf | jorik: installing what driver? |
| 13:09.23 | heroxbd | kommodore: Actully I want to upgrade the BIOS. And I want to use memdisk to boot a DOS .img. |
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| 13:09.28 | enouf | gah |
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| 13:09.31 | Rapp | hi everyone! |
| 13:09.33 | enouf | justin: installing what driver? |
| 13:09.44 | justin | enouf: nvidia |
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| 13:10.00 | enouf | justin: sheesh, i never saw him mention the Blob |
| 13:10.02 | Rapp | is there an etch backport for subversion 1.5? etch has only got 1.4.2, as far as i can see. |
| 13:10.22 | justin | enouf: what else would he be 'installing' ? |
| 13:10.36 | kommodore | xorg? |
| 13:10.41 | adnc | stew: can you please give me these answers? |
| 13:10.44 | enouf | justin: his pastebin shows a drxx |
| 13:10.50 | enouf | very typical |
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| 13:10.56 | enouf | for Etch users |
| 13:10.56 | heroxbd | viper5323: If I were you, I'd choose "glx". But why don't just try them out instead of waiting here? |
| 13:11.20 | kommodore | heroxbd: you sure you have space left in your floppy(?) img? |
| 13:11.27 | enouf | viper5323: you could select most of them - but i told you, at first, it's better to not get them wrong |
| 13:11.49 | stew | adnc: it looks like i'm using dk-filter |
| 13:11.54 | justin | enouf: the dialog debconf frontend defaults to the correct answers, doesn't it? |
| 13:11.57 | heroxbd | kommodore: No. There is no space left (from df). How can I expand it? |
| 13:12.04 | adnc | stew: thats what i have aswell. but mails are still not signed |
| 13:12.11 | adnc | stew: do you use postfix? |
| 13:12.14 | enouf | justin: i tried asking, and got no reply |
| 13:12.18 | flami | Hi , Im trying to increase the mouse polling rate, I tried with "modprobe usbhid mousepoll=2", but it still says " bInterval 10" for the mouse |
| 13:12.18 | stew | adnc: yes |
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| 13:12.40 | adnc | stew: could i see the relevant parts of the postfix configuration you have? |
| 13:12.42 | enouf | justin: i mean, as feedback from the user - i can't tell what |
| 13:12.50 | stew | adnc: main.cf:smtpd_milters = inet:127.0.0.1:54321,inet:127.0.0.1:54322 |
| 13:12.51 | enouf | 's selected or not from the paste |
| 13:13.01 | stew | adnc: 54321 is dkim, 54322 is dk |
| 13:13.30 | adnc | stew: are these smtpd_milters = unix:dkim-filter/dkim-filter.sock |
| 13:13.35 | adnc | i have this |
| 13:13.36 | enouf | justin: wait - i notice it's mentioning to type their names? wtf is that? |
| 13:13.58 | justin | enouf: because it looks like he's using the readline frontend, not the dialog one |
| 13:14.00 | adnc | but it looks that this is for dkim only, will this socket also make dk |
| 13:14.05 | enouf | i recall the ncurses box, having most of them already selected |
| 13:14.12 | enouf | or atleast some |
| 13:14.13 | stew | adnc: no that is only for dkim |
| 13:14.14 | kommodore | heroxbd: the problem is not with the image, but the filesystem... you can use the same dd trick to expand the image, but the filesystem won't get enlarged |
| 13:14.21 | heroxbd | kommodore: oic, I can delete the original files out and copy new things in. BTW, is an floppy image file fixed to be of 1.4M? |
| 13:14.29 | adnc | stew: can i go with sockets, since i do have a virtual private server |
| 13:14.31 | enouf | justin: ahh .. i've never used that i guess.. |
| 13:14.45 | kommodore | heroxbd: yes |
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| 13:15.04 | heroxbd | kommodore: OK. ic. ThX |
| 13:15.05 | adnc | stew: can i solve it, i mean adding dk by using sockets or do i have to have a daemon |
| 13:15.28 | stew | adnc: you can solve it using sockets or you have started a daemon to listen to that socket |
| 13:15.40 | stew | s/or you have/if you have/ |
| 13:16.03 | Mithshark | Ok, I'm trying to get more information from my host |
| 13:16.06 | adnc | stew: but i see you have dk-filter which i couldnt find as package or is it dkim-filter which i found as package |
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| 13:16.42 | stew | adnc: oh, i must have backported dk-filter from unstable |
| 13:16.51 | heroxbd | kommodore: Errr. My Bios image is larger than 1.4M... |
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| 13:17.07 | danners | for what is the environmnet file in /etc ? |
| 13:17.10 | adnc | stew: ohh, god. |
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| 13:17.40 | adnc | stew: i have backports in my source - list but when i search i do not find anyting like dk-filter |
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| 13:18.00 | stew | adnc: yeah, doesn't look like anybody has uploaded a backport |
| 13:18.15 | adnc | stew: what can i do now? |
| 13:18.22 | stew | adnc: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 13:19.25 | viper5133 | Well that didn't work at all, I ended up getting a blank screen, and I spent 3 hours trying to install that nvidia driver |
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| 13:19.54 | adnc | stew: i had done these instruction ssb, no reults |
| 13:19.59 | viper5133 | so how do I get my screen back to normal now? |
| 13:20.12 | stew | adnc: why didn't you get results? |
| 13:20.14 | kommodore | heroxbd: Urrrgh... that's going to be difficult |
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| 13:20.32 | adnc | stew: empty, like searching for aptitude search dk-filter, no results |
| 13:20.45 | tralala | !+tell adnc -about ssb |
| 13:20.46 | dpkg | told adnc about ssb. |
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| 13:21.07 | stew | adnc: did you follow the simple sid backport instructions? |
| 13:21.19 | adnc | stew: with source? |
| 13:21.24 | Mithshark | In grub should: kernel/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/hda3 ro single |
| 13:21.27 | Mithshark | be in /boot? |
| 13:21.38 | Mithshark | is it trying to boot my live enviroment? |
| 13:21.46 | stew | adnc: i don't understand the question |
| 13:21.58 | Mithshark | root@Knoppix:/# ls /boot |
| 13:21.58 | Mithshark | System.map System.map-2.6.19 coffee.bmp config-2.6.19 debian.bmp debianlilo.bmp sarge.bmp sid.bmp vmlinuz vmlinuz-2.6.19 |
| 13:22.04 | Mithshark | umm |
| 13:22.12 | Mithshark | 2.6.18 2.6.19? |
| 13:22.28 | adnc | stew: the bot gave me the information to include deb-src if not found. your question, is it related to this? |
| 13:22.30 | Mithshark | Oh |
| 13:22.31 | Mithshark | root@Knoppix:/# ls /mnt/ |
| 13:22.31 | Mithshark | System.map-2.6.18-4-686 config-2.6.18-4-686 grub initrd.img-2.6.18-4-686 lost+found vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 13:22.31 | heroxbd | kommodore: Alright. I can make an iso and use grub4dos to boot that. I'll try. |
| 13:22.36 | danners | for what is the environmnet file in /etc ? |
| 13:22.52 | adnc | stew: i think it would be easier if you just could tell me how i can find it. |
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| 13:23.07 | stew | adnc: you can't find it. it doesn't exist, i'm giving you instructions to create it |
| 13:23.20 | adnc | stew: please step by step |
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| 13:23.41 | stew | adnc: did you do number 1 yet? |
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| 13:24.13 | adnc | deb-src http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 13:24.31 | adnc | stew: this what i do have in my sources |
| 13:24.45 | themill | adnc: you need it to be "sid" not "etch" for the backport |
| 13:24.50 | madk | client doesnt find open port for cups ipp, can someone help? |
| 13:24.55 | stew | adnc: ok, then no, you haven't done number 1 yet. add a deb-src line for sid instead of etch |
| 13:25.05 | adnc | instead |
| 13:25.06 | adnc | ? |
| 13:25.17 | ricardo | hi when i try to do an upgrade from etch to lenny get an error after doing apt-get update. It says failed to fetch security.debian.org/lenny/dists........ |
| 13:25.24 | adnc | is this then ok |
| 13:25.25 | adnc | deb-src http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 13:25.35 | stew | adnc: yes. now do number 2 |
| 13:26.01 | themill | ricardo: your sources.list entry for security should be lenny/updates not just lenny. |
| 13:26.29 | adnc | stew: ok |
| 13:27.40 | ricardo | the mill ill check . |
| 13:27.50 | adnc | done, how is the package called, dk-filter? |
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| 13:28.05 | stew | adnc: yes |
| 13:28.22 | adnc | E: Unable to find a source package for packagename |
| 13:28.22 | adnc | E: Invalid operation dk-filter |
| 13:28.27 | ricardo | deb-src ftp://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 13:28.27 | ricardo | deb http://security.debian.org/lenny/ updates main |
| 13:28.40 | ricardo | is that ok ? |
| 13:29.06 | themill | ricardo: no. deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
| 13:29.13 | stew | adnc: what command did you run? |
| 13:29.26 | adnc | apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b dk-filter |
| 13:29.43 | ricardo | with a space between / lenny and no space between /updates ? |
| 13:29.44 | stew | adnc: you are supposed to substituye 'dk-filter' for 'packagename' |
| 13:29.48 | Mithshark | I got all the information I can (I think): http://paste.debian.net/16690/ |
| 13:30.09 | themill | adnc: also, it's apt-get -b source dk-filter (you forget "source") |
| 13:30.22 | adnc | stew: so if mail:/usr/local/dkfilter/bin# apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b souce dk-filter |
| 13:30.29 | adnc | this also doesnt work |
| 13:30.39 | stew | adnc: you are supposed to substitude 'dk-filter' for 'packagename' |
| 13:30.41 | adnc | jsorry |
| 13:30.48 | stew | adnc: and you misspelled 'source' |
| 13:30.56 | et | how do i find out which kernel is used on the lenny install disks? |
| 13:30.57 | adnc | ok, it is downlaoding it |
| 13:31.23 | adnc | stew: i installed dkim-filter shall i remove it again? |
| 13:31.46 | stew | adnc: do you want your mail signed with dkim and domainkeys or just domainkeys? |
| 13:31.53 | ricardo | how do I get back into gui interface after hitting alt ctrl f1 ? |
| 13:31.55 | adnc | stew: both |
| 13:32.01 | adnc | it did compile |
| 13:32.02 | stew | adnc: then domt remove dkim-filter |
| 13:32.30 | et | (my new mainboard needs a 2.6.26 kernel for the sata controller) |
| 13:32.30 | zxxd | do you know how to list all the files pointing to the same inode hardlinks |
| 13:32.36 | zxxd | i see /sbin/mkfs.ext2 has three pointers |
| 13:33.20 | adnc | stew: i'm installing dk-filter_1.0.0.dfsg-1_i386.deb the newly created package? |
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| 13:33.48 | Mithshark | hda1 will usually be reflected as hd(0,0), correct? |
| 13:33.55 | justin | zxxd: try ls -i mkfs.ext2 then ls |grep inode |
| 13:34.57 | et | is it safe to have /var/cache shared across different debian installs? |
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| 13:35.30 | justin | et: /var/cache/apt/archives, maybe |
| 13:36.23 | adnc | stew: are there any configuration files i need to change with dk-filter |
| 13:36.41 | cafuego | et: See also: apt-cacher |
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| 13:37.33 | FreakGuard | I'm looking for a network installer with sshd |
| 13:37.53 | justin | FreakGuard: d-i has that |
| 13:38.06 | FreakGuard | justin, d-i? |
| 13:38.13 | endschranz | hi, can anyone recommend me a lightweight http proxy with authentication? |
| 13:38.23 | asg | FreakGuard: the standard installer, just use expert mode to select the needed udeb |
| 13:38.34 | stew | adnc: yeah, there must be, you'd have to at least be able to point it at your key |
| 13:38.53 | FreakGuard | asg, the target doesn't have any input nor output devices (except eth) |
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| 13:39.15 | adnc | stew: but the content of the package we created does not have one, only in /etc/defaults but this is for the socket |
| 13:39.21 | themill | !rube goldberg install |
| 13:39.21 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 13:39.33 | et | cafuego: well, i have a new machine and am thinking of having amd64 and i386 installs in parallel, and looking for the things i want to share between the distributions (for the partition layout |
| 13:39.45 | stew | adnc: what do you mean by "this is for the socket"? |
| 13:39.49 | FreakGuard | themill, i HAVE a network card :D |
| 13:39.53 | et | so any proxy isn't of much use, because when one "machine" runs, it doesn't run on the other ;) |
| 13:39.54 | Rapp | where can i find a description of the .dsc format? especially the files section. i need to build a package |
| 13:39.58 | cafuego | et: I wouldn't bother; just go amd64. It all works. |
| 13:40.03 | adnc | stew: you can only configure the port or the socket path there |
| 13:40.19 | et | cafuego: it doesn't |
| 13:40.27 | themill | Rapp: there are tools that do this for you -- e.g. the dpkg-dev package. /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 13:40.46 | et | cafuego: java, for example, does not work the same way as on i386 |
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| 13:40.54 | zxxd | justin, yes but how do i see al the files pointing to this inode |
| 13:40.56 | zxxd | on the fs |
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| 13:41.16 | justin | zxxd: use find |
| 13:41.17 | et | cafuego: i tried amd64 and switched to i386 two month ago because of that |
| 13:41.28 | zxxd | ye well |
| 13:41.32 | grig | how do i start xorg? has startx disappeared? |
| 13:41.40 | stew | adnc: you can configure everything that is passed to the daemon there |
| 13:41.49 | netdaemon | et, i'v used amd64 for 3 years on all my machines :) |
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| 13:42.14 | et | well, i've used it for 1 year too |
| 13:42.17 | Run | et: So, you're running a 32 bit kernel ? |
| 13:42.22 | FreakGuard | or let's just say "an (usb/net)install that starts sshd |
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| 13:43.03 | Run | I have a 64bit cpu, I'll be damn to run anything but 64bit applications. |
| 13:43.36 | stew | FreakGuard: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole |
| 13:43.39 | cafuego | that's stupid too |
| 13:43.54 | adnc | stew: as i see this is the same as dkim-filter |
| 13:44.09 | cafuego | et: Java works fine, just not as web plugin. The rest (video etc) does. |
| 13:44.25 | netdaemon | java plugin works here |
| 13:44.33 | netdaemon | openjdk-6 + icedtea-webplugin |
| 13:44.53 | Run | I have no problems with java on my 100% amd64 either. |
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| 13:45.10 | cafuego | That results in a lovely browser hang and death here; then again mine's not debian. |
| 13:45.18 | FreakGuard | stew, hrm, thx |
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| 13:48.40 | adnc | stew: postfix is chrooted... |
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| 13:49.03 | afaict | hi folks |
| 13:49.08 | stew | adnc: ok |
| 13:49.33 | adnc | stew: how does your /etc/defaults/dk-filter look like? |
| 13:49.33 | afaict | Im trying to find a tool to convert swf to avi ... as I saw in internet mencoder and ffmpeg doesnt work for SWF |
| 13:50.17 | et | how do i find out which kernel is used on the lenny install disks? (my new mainboard needs a 2.6.26 kernel for the sata controller) - i downloaded the buisesscard iso and mounted it, but it doesn't give any obvious hint |
| 13:50.59 | netdaemon | et, 2.6.24 on the beta 2 disks, 2.6.26 on the sid installers |
| 13:51.30 | stew | adnc: DAEMON_OPTS="-H -l -d domain1,domain2,domain3,domain4 -s /etc/dkim/private/dkim.key -S dk -b s" \n SOCKET="inet:54322" |
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| 13:51.59 | mjauu | huh. that's weird.. if I've set up a new partition with fdisk, isn't that when it's time to run partprobe? |
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| 13:52.11 | mjauu | because, I don't have partprobe.. isn't that a little strange? |
| 13:52.28 | et | netdaemon: will i run into issues when i use the daily snapshot installer and put lenny into the sources.list right after the install? |
| 13:52.30 | mjauu | or is that a rhel/centos thing only? |
| 13:52.40 | zxxd | mjauu, partprobe is part of partdisk |
| 13:53.00 | netdaemon | et, it'll still install lenny, you can't install sid from a cd =) |
| 13:53.00 | datacrusher | hi people, i got a new samba server on debian, and my files are about 10gb. Does ext3 needs some kind of maitenance, like defragmentation or something? |
| 13:53.12 | mjauu | zxxd: I don't have partdisk either |
| 13:53.14 | netdaemon | well you could, but only the expert install asks if you want to |
| 13:53.16 | adnc | stew: there are three " in your DAEMON_OPTS ? |
| 13:53.17 | mjauu | fresh install though |
| 13:53.20 | et | netdaemon: okay |
| 13:53.23 | et | netdaemon: thanks |
| 13:53.32 | stew | adnc: no |
| 13:53.42 | mjauu | zxxd: however, apt-cache search partdisk returned nothing |
| 13:53.45 | zxxd | mjauu, sorry parted |
| 13:54.08 | mjauu | ah ok |
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| 13:58.31 | adnc | i get a permission error when starting dk-filter dk-filter: /etc/ssl/private/mail.private: stat(): Permission denied |
| 13:58.43 | adnc | although the key file mail.private is owned by dk-filter |
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| 13:59.08 | micols | adnc: check the private folder's permissions |
| 13:59.15 | micols | also ls -alh mail.private |
| 13:59.39 | adnc | -rw------- 1 dk-filter dk-filter 887 2008-09-07 23:35 mail.private |
| 13:59.40 | micols | permissions are inherited, so if private folder doesnt have +rx you wont be able to use it |
| 13:59.55 | micols | chown dk-filter:dk-filter private then |
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| 14:00.01 | adnc | drwxrwx--- 2 root ssl-cert 4096 2008-09-08 15:59 . |
| 14:00.04 | adnc | this is the folder |
| 14:00.17 | micols | yes its not owned by dk-filter |
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| 14:00.46 | micols | try chown ssl-cert:dk-filter private |
| 14:01.01 | adnc | i did, it started, thank you |
| 14:01.42 | micols | datacrusher: no maintenance needed/available in that sense |
| 14:01.54 | micols | datacrusher: except it needs checking every now and then, to check if it has been corrupted |
| 14:02.08 | micols | but that is automatic on boot by default. |
| 14:02.17 | adnc | stew: now it started, my smtpd_milters looks like this, is this ok or do i have to do it like you have seperated with comma? smtpd_milters = unix:/var/run/dk-filter/dkim-filter.sock |
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| 14:03.06 | Mithshark | http://paste.debian.net/16690/ |
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| 14:03.17 | Mithshark | I've got a tip from someboy that it has to do with tty devices |
| 14:03.28 | Mithshark | They have done my exact process before |
| 14:03.31 | ma3x | what's the equivalent of wireshark in windows? |
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| 14:03.35 | stew | adnc: that only lists one filter, and you want two filters, on for dk-filter and one for dkim-filter |
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| 14:03.46 | netdaemon | ma3x, wireshark |
| 14:03.53 | adnc | stew: but you told me to remove dkim-filter |
| 14:03.54 | stew | ma3x: wireshark |
| 14:04.06 | stew | adnc: i did? |
| 14:04.10 | adnc | yes |
| 14:04.12 | stew | adnc: when? |
| 14:04.22 | adnc | stew: somewhere above ;-) |
| 14:04.31 | stew | adnc: i told you not to |
| 14:04.36 | adnc | ohh god |
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| 14:05.09 | adnc | stew: ok, how can i have both listed there? |
| 14:05.23 | adnc | in postfix |
| 14:05.41 | themill | dpkg: greet dpkg_ |
| 14:05.42 | dpkg | Moo, dpkg_ |
| 14:05.58 | stew | adnc: i showed you mine which had two listed. just list them, separated by commas |
| 14:06.16 | dpkg_ | greet dpkg_,too |
| 14:06.22 | dpkg_ | greet dpkg,too |
| 14:06.27 | adnc | stew: like this smtpd_milters = unix:/var/run/dk-filter/dk-filter.sock, unix:dkim-filter/dkim-filter.sock |
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| 14:06.41 | tralala | heh, a non-bot dpkg |
| 14:07.06 | stew | adnc: i don't know if the space after the comma is ok or not, it might be |
| 14:07.21 | adnc | but the rest is ok |
| 14:07.48 | dpkg_ | i am a fresh man |
| 14:07.57 | stew | adnc: you are using a relative path, i don't know what it is relative to |
| 14:08.14 | jelly | dpkg_: you might consider a different nickname! |
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| 14:08.46 | adnc | stew: in terms of postfix chroot? |
| 14:09.14 | stew | adnc: i didn't understand that question |
| 14:09.18 | igorgue | Hi, what's the default GCC version in Debian Serge? |
| 14:09.23 | igorgue | is there a way to find that out? |
| 14:09.34 | tralala | !info gcc sarge |
| 14:10.07 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:3.3.5-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 14:10.16 | adnc | stew: you think that the absolute path might be a problem for postfix to find? |
| 14:10.22 | dpkg_ | ok |
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| 14:10.50 | stew | adnc: i don't know |
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| 14:11.44 | igorgue | tralala: thank you and the dpkg_ bot :) |
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| 14:12.11 | adnc | if i want to extract a deb package to a local directory. how can i do this? |
| 14:12.14 | tralala | igorgue, you're welcome |
| 14:12.45 | tralala | adnc, by reading the manual |
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| 14:12.58 | adnc | tralala: which manual? |
| 14:13.02 | avu | adnc, use ar to extract the deb, then tar to extract the data and/or control tar.gz files |
| 14:13.03 | tralala | man dpkg |
| 14:13.35 | viper5323 | I have a really simple question: What keyboard button do I press to select and deselect modules in xserver.xorg?? |
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| 14:13.44 | tralala | space |
| 14:13.50 | viper5323 | ok thank |
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| 14:16.05 | dbmoodb | hi i would like to have a copy of the "apt" bot offline. how can i do this ? |
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| 14:16.18 | dbmoodb | apt or dpkg... any will do |
| 14:16.35 | stew | dbmoodb: /msg dpkg your factoids |
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| 14:16.54 | dbmoodb | ah ? oh |
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| 14:19.08 | Mithshark | How can I find what is using /media/hda3 ? |
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| 14:19.22 | asg | Mithshark: lsof or fuser |
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| 14:19.54 | adnc | thank you all, this works great, stew specially to you |
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| 14:20.30 | grig | what is the debian tool for initial configuration of x.org? |
| 14:20.43 | valdyn | grig: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:21.23 | grig | valdyn: thanks. isn't it supposed to ask me about things like resolution, input devices? |
| 14:21.24 | afaict | Im trying to find a tool to convert swf to avi ... as I saw in internet mencoder and ffmpeg doesnt work for SWF |
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| 14:21.35 | valdyn | grig: nope |
| 14:21.43 | hulatang | I'm getting "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" while trying to ssh into my debian host |
| 14:21.49 | hulatang | the database on the host is still alive. |
| 14:21.58 | hulatang | what could be the problem? |
| 14:22.16 | asg | hulatang: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 14:22.23 | tralala | hulatang, use -v to see details |
| 14:22.33 | grig | valdyn: i see. am i to configure this by manually editing xorg.conf? |
| 14:22.38 | Mithshark | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.42 | Mithshark | How can I kill that? |
| 14:22.53 | geek | kill -9 3232 ? |
| 14:22.58 | Mithshark | failed |
| 14:23.03 | tralala | Mithshark, you can't |
| 14:23.03 | geek | do it as root? |
| 14:23.04 | Mithshark | aCted like it worked however |
| 14:23.17 | Mithshark | Anyway I can forcably unmount it then? |
| 14:23.26 | Eulex | Mithshark, try killing the parent (if the parent isn't init) |
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| 14:24.24 | themill | hulatang: is the client in the server's /etc/hosts.deny (or not in hosts.allow)? |
| 14:24.48 | hulatang | themill: nope |
| 14:24.48 | m6m_wrk | Hello, does anyone have any ideas why my nagiosgrapher is writing \T instead of just a tab? |
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| 14:25.17 | m6m_wrk | i'm not sure if it's teh apps issue that's why i came here |
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| 14:25.19 | asg | m6m_wrk: \t is for tab, not \T |
| 14:25.30 | m6m_wrk | well my log states \T |
| 14:25.45 | Eulex | might be a typo |
| 14:25.47 | m6m_wrk | and that's blockin the plugin from working |
| 14:25.56 | m6m_wrk | it used to work.. like 5h ago |
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| 14:26.03 | Eulex | did you upgrade anything? |
| 14:26.07 | m6m_wrk | nope |
| 14:26.21 | m6m_wrk | i tested but rolled back after it stopped working |
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| 14:27.39 | adnc | stew: i've some processes running and i wonder if they belong to dk-filter |
| 14:27.40 | adnc | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.46 | Mithshark | Eulex: How do I find it? |
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| 14:27.51 | Mithshark | I think it's a filed chroot |
| 14:27.53 | Mithshark | failed* |
| 14:27.54 | Eulex | Mithshark, pstree |
| 14:28.06 | adnc | stew: since this is dkfilter and not dk-filter |
| 14:28.13 | Mithshark | yeah, but it's not listed |
| 14:28.28 | Eulex | it should be |
| 14:28.50 | stew | adnc: what did you install to /usr/local/dkfilter? (a debian pacakge wouldn't touch /usr/local, this is something installed by you (or some other admin)) |
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| 14:28.57 | Eulex | it might not have the same name as it does in ps or whatever you're using to look at it now |
| 14:29.17 | Mithshark | mind taking a look at my tree to see if you can notice anything? |
| 14:29.21 | adnc | stew: this is possible, i may hvae installed it, but dont know how to get off it again |
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| 14:29.33 | Mithshark | I tried using -p, but I don't see it |
| 14:29.40 | viper5323 | Can someone please tell me how to run EnvyNG on Debian, I followed the Nvidia driver install guide exactly, and it didn't work. I am at my wit's end! |
| 14:29.49 | Mithshark | http://paste.debian.net/16693/ |
| 14:30.12 | adnc | ahh it is something called dkfilter, can i just remove dkfilter form init.d and the related files from /usr/local? |
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| 14:30.54 | viper5323 | Why is installing Nvidia drivers so hard? EnvyNG made it so easy in Ubuntu |
| 14:30.57 | Eulex | Mithshark, right there, |-ls(3232) |
| 14:31.21 | Mithshark | oh parents init :? |
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| 14:31.26 | Mithshark | :/* |
| 14:31.26 | Eulex | Viper1432, please define 'didn't work' |
| 14:31.32 | Eulex | Mithshark, yeah, unfortunately |
| 14:31.35 | viper5323 | got blank screen |
| 14:31.45 | Mithshark | Means I have to submit another 1 hour wait reboot request |
| 14:31.53 | viper5323 | had to reconfigure xserver.xorg so I could see my screen |
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| 14:32.33 | Eulex | viper5323, what card, and are you running etch, lenny or sid? |
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| 14:32.38 | viper5323 | and i followed the debian guide on nvidia drivers exactly |
| 14:32.47 | Eulex | which guide? |
| 14:32.49 | viper5323 | Nvidia Geforce 8800GT Etch |
| 14:33.12 | Eulex | and you used the drivers from etch? |
| 14:33.15 | viper5323 | this one: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries |
| 14:33.25 | viper5323 | I did what the guide told me to do |
| 14:33.38 | viper5323 | didn't work |
| 14:33.41 | Eulex | the drivers in etch are too old for a fancy 8800 |
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| 14:33.49 | viper5323 | envyng worked brilliantly on Ubuntu |
| 14:34.28 | viper5323 | they should still work, even Mandriva stock Nvidia drivers worked |
| 14:35.01 | viper5323 | anyways, should I install directly off the nvidia website? |
| 14:35.26 | Eulex | viper5323, no, too old drivers *won't* work. |
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| 14:36.04 | viper5323 | so what do I do? remove those drivers? or just install drivers off the nvidia website? |
| 14:36.06 | Eulex | you could check whether backports.org has a backport of newer drivers |
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| 14:36.21 | Eulex | installing the drivers from nvidia's website would be a last resort |
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| 14:36.43 | Mithshark | Thanks for the help everyone, but this is a live server closing in on 14 hours of downtime, so I'm going to put Gentoo back on where I know what I'm doing :( |
| 14:36.54 | Mithshark | Shame, I was looking forward to using Debian |
| 14:37.21 | viper5323 | Eulex, how do I get the drivers from backports.org? |
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| 14:38.17 | Eulex | viper5323, I just checked, and backports.org didn't have a backport of the nvidia drivers |
| 14:38.48 | viper5323 | will the drivers off the nvidia website also install the nvidia control panel (nvidia xserver) ? |
| 14:38.59 | Eulex | ask them, not us. but probably. |
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| 14:40.10 | viper5323 | ok I am downloading the drivers off the nvidia website |
| 14:40.16 | viper5323 | if they don't work, then what? |
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| 14:41.38 | Eulex | viper5323, I looked around a little, and I can't find any backport. so yeah, you could try that. |
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| 14:43.08 | viper5323 | Eulex, should I uninstall the nvidia drivers that I downloaded before? |
| 14:43.33 | Eulex | viper5323, yes. |
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| 14:44.32 | viper5323 | Eulex, how do I do that? |
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| 14:44.51 | Eulex | viper5323, you uninstall the packages in question. |
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| 14:45.21 | viper5323 | using package manager? |
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| 14:45.48 | themill | well you could try using a magnet against the hard disk, but the package manager would probably be easier |
| 14:46.15 | tech13 | copied via tar a file system from a physical machine to a vmware, got it to boot, but it doesn't detect the network card. debian-livecd was able to use the nic fine for coping the files to the harddrive though. How do I rerun the hardware detection? |
| 14:46.22 | stew | maybe not easier, but perhaps with fewer side-effects |
| 14:47.18 | viper5323 | should I uninstall nvidia settings and xserver-xorg-video-nv too? |
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| 14:47.34 | flynets | salve gente |
| 14:48.06 | flynets | qualcuno mi sa dire come faccio a ripristinare il file xorg.conf nel vecchio formato? |
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| 14:48.34 | themill | !it |
| 14:48.35 | dpkg | Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:48.36 | flynets | uso lenny e c'è la vessrione abbreviata e non mi ci ritrovo |
| 14:48.39 | Eulex | viper5323, yes, anything nvidia-driver-related. |
| 14:49.19 | abrotman | flynets: or speak english here |
| 14:49.30 | viper5323 | even the kernel source? |
| 14:49.32 | flynets | sorry |
| 14:49.34 | Eulex | viper5323, please don't /msg me. you can keep those two packages, they won't do any harm. |
| 14:50.08 | flynets | can i reset xorg.cconf in old style format file? |
| 14:50.20 | jpinx | If I leave my laptop idle it puts up the screensaver after about ten minutes, but occasionally it goes to a lower/worse screen resolution - mostly blue and very broken - Nothing interesting in the syslog. Any ideas? |
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| 14:50.40 | igorgue | !info libstdc++ sarge |
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| 14:51.20 | Tapout | xfs -> The default value is 4096 bytes (4 KiB), the minimum is 512, and the maximum is 65536 (64 KiB). XFS on Linux currently only supports pagesize or smaller blocks. |
| 14:51.29 | Tapout | how do I find out what the current pagesize is setup as? |
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| 14:51.44 | flynets | i have tried with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but it reproduce another short xorg.conf |
| 14:52.50 | viper5323 | It says it failed because I am running an xserver, so what do I do? |
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| 14:53.27 | Eulex | viper5323, you shut down your x server. |
| 14:53.28 | abrotman | flynets: that's because it's automagic now |
| 14:53.35 | Tapout | getconf PAGESIZE |
| 14:53.36 | Tapout | wooth |
| 14:53.38 | Tapout | woot |
| 14:54.15 | viper5323 | you mean press ctrl-alt-backspace? |
| 14:54.28 | gnittor | hello, i'm trying to build unionfs-source but m-a fails to build it http://pastebin.com/m142a5d4a I'm using unstable, can someone help? |
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| 14:57.13 | abrotman | flynets: don't msg me .. ask here |
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| 14:58.15 | unfo | hi all, I'm on mixed Debian etch/lenny on a desktop PC. After a recent partial upgrade, at startup I see "/scripts/init-premount/udev: 17: udevd: not found"; later, "Begin: Waiting for root file system...", but even after 30 seconds, still nothing has happened. Darn. Line 17 of /scripts/init-premount/udev says "udevd --daemon". But udevd is in the "/" directory of the initramfs. So ISTM line... |
| 14:58.16 | unfo | ...17 should actually have said "/udevd --daemon". Why doesn't it say that? |
| 14:58.26 | stew | flynets: before dpkg-reconfigure produced the shorter xorg.conf, it should have made a backup of the previous contents. you can use that more verbose copy of xorg.conf with the newer xorg |
| 14:59.14 | abrotman | flynets: don't msg me .. ask here |
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| 15:00.17 | flynets | stew: and how i can produce the verbose file? |
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| 15:03.52 | stew | flynets: use the backup copy that is already in /etc/X11 or create one by hand |
| 15:04.17 | Mithshark | Anyone here that was helping me still around? I found the issue. The datacenter tech didn't tell me it failed to mount proc :( |
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| 15:09.49 | unfo | is my question above unclear? or is it just a hard question? someone who knows what an initramfs is, please tell me. |
| 15:09.51 | unfo | :) |
| 15:10.21 | justin | !+initramfs |
| 15:10.22 | dpkg | from memory, initramfs is the new initrd. See http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for Sarge and Etch kernel differences (forward looking as we know it prior to etch's release), or ask me about <initramfs debug> |
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| 15:11.50 | clamiax | Hi everybody! |
| 15:11.52 | stew | unfo: a small linux install which is basically a bunch of scripts which exist to prepare your kernel to actually boot your real linux install. usually this consists of doing stuff like loading the kernel drivers needed to mount your / partition and starting raid / lvm if you are using any of those |
| 15:11.59 | viper5323 | The nvidia installer couldn't find something and it told me I might need pkg-config, it tried to install but said something about not finding eth0 or something? |
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| 15:12.04 | clamiax | What package does include the linux/usb.h header file? |
| 15:12.11 | clamiax | I'm googling a bit but withouth results |
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| 15:12.16 | clamiax | *without |
| 15:12.24 | anddam | hello |
| 15:12.26 | tralala | clamiax, linux-headers-something |
| 15:12.30 | viper5323 | I mean it went through the installation process, but when I rebooted, it didn't work |
| 15:12.33 | unfo | stew, justin, thanks but i already knew what an initramfs was. I just spoke my last line unclearly. I will try again: |
| 15:12.34 | unfo | if you know a fair bit about debian, please tell me: was my question unclear? or just hard? |
| 15:12.58 | viper5323 | I guess I will never get my Nvidia drivers to work with Debian |
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| 15:13.42 | clamiax | tralala: there are no headers in the repositories for my actual kernel |
| 15:13.52 | unfo | stew: may i add your fine definition of initramfs to the bot's memory? |
| 15:13.57 | stew | unfo: what is the in the PATH at the time when it runs "udevd --daemon"? |
| 15:14.01 | stew | unfo: sure |
| 15:14.04 | tralala | clamiax, install a supported kernel then |
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| 15:14.21 | anddam | there is a command that tries to identify the motherboard but I can't recall its name |
| 15:14.24 | anddam | anyone? |
| 15:14.25 | clamiax | tralala: i upgraded to Lenny but the new kernel won't boot. I use Lenny with the etch kernel. |
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| 15:14.54 | tralala | clamiax, the new kernel being .26? |
| 15:15.01 | clamiax | tralala: yes |
| 15:15.13 | tralala | and how exactly it won't boot? |
| 15:15.57 | clamiax | tralala: it boot, to be honest.. just shows lots of errors |
| 15:16.06 | stew | anddam: dmidecode? |
| 15:16.09 | clamiax | tralala: and doesn't recognize the wifi card |
| 15:16.16 | viper5323 | should I install nvidia 486 or 686 drivers for 32bit etch?? |
| 15:16.17 | tralala | clamiax, what errors? |
| 15:16.28 | anddam | stew: seems I don't have it, it was a sort of lspci with probing |
| 15:16.29 | clamiax | tralala: i haven't that errors by the hand ATM |
| 15:16.41 | anddam | stew: I was told about it here and I run it too so I should have it in path |
| 15:16.54 | unfo | stew: I don't know. But I *do* know the following: When I do break=top, the PATH does not have "/" in it. Just "/sbin" and some others. Btw, the only copy of udevd installed in my initramfs is in the / directory. |
| 15:17.02 | anddam | stew: and I don't have dmidecode so probably that's not it |
| 15:17.08 | tralala | clamiax, you'll be far better getting .26 to work instead of trying to do things with an unsupported kernel |
| 15:17.11 | grig | can compiz use anything else than metacity? |
| 15:17.38 | grig | metacity carries 510MB of bloat |
| 15:17.47 | clamiax | tralala: i'll write the relevant errors somewhere and i'll back again in order to solve the "real" problem. |
| 15:17.53 | clamiax | tralala: THX for your help and time. |
| 15:18.05 | tralala | sure |
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| 15:18.26 | clamiax | bbl |
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| 15:23.50 | unfo | all, stew, I'm pretty sure "/" is not in the PATH. |
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| 15:24.20 | danners | grig: compiz doesn't use metacity |
| 15:24.29 | stew | unfo: how did you check? |
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| 15:24.59 | viper5323 | do I need nvidia-glx-dev installed? |
| 15:25.14 | grig | danners: that's strange, since launching 'compiz --replace' complains about not finding /usr/sbin/metacity |
| 15:26.05 | grig | danners: i am now running wmii (a lightweight wm) and would like to switch to compiz |
| 15:26.14 | danners | grig: you just need a window decorater to start with compiz, e.g emerald |
| 15:26.27 | grig | danners: i see. thanks |
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| 15:27.02 | grig | danners: it seems emerald is no longer in lenny |
| 15:27.09 | unfo | stew: break=top and echo $PATH. I know break=top isn't the most accurate place to check. But I assume that the "not found" message means that even later on, at the time of the udevd call, "/" is still not in the PATH. |
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| 15:27.40 | danners | grig: i don't use compiz anymore so it could be possible that you need metacity in this case... |
| 15:28.10 | stew | unfo: oh, i didn't see that there was a not found error |
| 15:28.33 | viper5323 | I have a simple question, at a command prompt, how do you start Gnome?? |
| 15:28.50 | unfo | stew: don't worry :) |
| 15:29.04 | jelly | viper5323: in X or on the console? |
| 15:29.17 | unfo | viper5323: it didn't start automatically when you booted up? |
| 15:29.17 | stew | unfo: udevd should be in /sbin, which should be in the path |
| 15:29.30 | viper5323 | just asking incase I need to start it |
| 15:29.41 | viper5323 | at the console |
| 15:29.42 | stew | viper5323: gnome-session |
| 15:29.49 | viper5323 | ok thanks |
| 15:29.59 | stew | viper5323: that assumes that X is already running and DISPLAY is set |
| 15:30.13 | Zharf | any idea why dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg wouldn't ask me about graphics card and display etc? |
| 15:30.22 | stew | Zharf: becuase they are detected at runtime |
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| 15:30.28 | Zharf | stew, oh |
| 15:30.32 | Zharf | since when :) |
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| 15:30.55 | grig | danners: i don't mind installing metacity, except that metacity comes with a huge list of dependencies, some of them really weird, like fam, deborphan, nautilus-cd-burner |
| 15:30.57 | viper5323 | I can't get my nvidia drivers to work, is it sometimes impossible with debian? Cause the only think that worked in Ubuntu was EnvyNG and I have no idea how to run that in Debian |
| 15:31.08 | unfo | stew: ah. Thanks for that tip. I will reboot soon and look again at the mkinitramfs udev hook script and see why it's going in the wrong place. |
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| 15:31.19 | wintix | how do i change the mouse sensitivity in X? |
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| 15:31.24 | grig | danners: totally 510MB. i think something is wrong |
| 15:31.31 | wintix | (i do use fluxbox as window manager) |
| 15:31.36 | danners | grig: well i don't thing you need metacity, if you would need it, it would depend on it... |
| 15:31.44 | stew | Zharf: http://gravityboy.livejournal.com/40620.html |
| 15:31.55 | grig | danners: right |
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| 15:32.21 | danners | grig: and the package description says in compiz-gtk there is a window decorator, so it should work |
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| 15:32.47 | grig | danners: that's exactly what i'm installing now. thank you for your help |
| 15:32.47 | neonlightning | wintix, i think you use xset or you can use dpkg-reconfigure |
| 15:32.51 | xsamurai | Anybody here have problems increasing memory past 16 gigs on xen-pae kernel , etch 32-bit ? |
| 15:32.57 | danners | grig: np |
| 15:33.14 | jelly | viper5323: how did you install them? |
| 15:33.32 | jelly | viper5323: ie. did you use "/msg dpkg nvidia"? |
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| 15:33.55 | viper5323 | first I tried the Debian manual step-by-step guide, and then I tried nvidia website installer |
| 15:34.10 | viper5323 | jelly I don't think I used that |
| 15:34.20 | Zharf | stew, I kind of hate all that automatisation nowadays |
| 15:34.28 | jelly | viper5323: which step by step guide was it, and how did it fail? |
| 15:34.39 | grig | running xglgears should be proof that Xgl is working, right? |
| 15:34.41 | stew | Zharf: you can specify an explicit xorg.conf and skip it |
| 15:34.53 | viper5323 | when I click on my nvidia xserver icon , it opens up but wont let me do anything |
| 15:35.13 | stew | yikes, xgl is still around? |
| 15:35.28 | jelly | viper5323: that sounds to me like you got X to run. |
| 15:35.33 | danners | grig: what kind of graphic card do you have usually you shouldn't need xgl |
| 15:35.52 | grig | danners: i'm on a i945GM |
| 15:36.01 | viper5323 | so how do I access that nvidia xserver icon? |
| 15:36.03 | stew | grig: why wouldn't you use AIGLX then? |
| 15:36.26 | grig | stew: good question :) |
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| 15:36.46 | jelly | viper5323: please answer the question "which step by step guide was it", the url? |
| 15:37.07 | viper5323 | do i need compiz installed first? |
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| 15:37.31 | jelly | shrugs |
| 15:38.15 | abrotman | i thought xgl was dead? |
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| 15:39.11 | neonlightning | thats what they say about oss but its still kicking around |
| 15:41.24 | Zharf | wonders what his wlan password was <.< |
| 15:41.43 | abrotman | neonlightning: how many people do you know that use it? |
| 15:42.04 | jelly | raises no hand |
| 15:42.27 | stew | http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/xserver.git;a=commit;h=d15b3790307053587df8daed1936ff6923881b63 |
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| 15:43.26 | sofiane | hello i have freespace non partioned and i am trying to find it and mount it in for a partition /backup |
| 15:43.26 | neonlightning | abrotman, not many but there are some that actually pay for oss and as far as xgl some stuff like loki games prefer it if i'm not mistaken |
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| 15:43.34 | sofiane | bbut i can t find the space non used |
| 15:43.37 | viper5323 | I tried the Debian Wiki manual |
| 15:43.38 | abrotman | loki games use SDL .. nice try though |
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| 15:43.47 | neonlightning | so i was mistaken |
| 15:43.47 | abrotman | xgl didn't even exist when loki was around |
| 15:44.02 | neonlightning | really i thought it was around by the time of even smacpack |
| 15:44.12 | viper5323 | I just need envyng to run, it takes care of everything |
| 15:44.19 | sofiane | plz help me |
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| 15:44.47 | jpinx | sofiane - do fdisk -l |
| 15:44.48 | neonlightning | sofiane, check out gparted or qtparted very handy tools |
| 15:44.52 | viper5323 | why the heck won't my nividia drivers work??? |
| 15:45.02 | abrotman | neonlightning: from wikipedia .. Xgl was released Jan 06 and Loki shut down Jan 02 |
| 15:45.23 | stew | FSVO released |
| 15:45.26 | neonlightning | ahh ok i didn't have a new enough card to use xgl untill recently |
| 15:45.44 | abrotman | neonlightning: maybe you're thinking of GL ? |
| 15:45.59 | jpinx | sofiane: and paste the output |
| 15:46.08 | sofiane | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.09 | sofiane | /dev/sda1 * 1 6374 51199123+ 83 Linux |
| 15:46.09 | sofiane | /dev/sda2 6375 26006 157694040 5 Extended |
| 15:46.09 | sofiane | /dev/sda5 6375 12748 51199123+ 83 Linux |
| 15:46.09 | sofiane | /dev/sda6 12749 19122 51199123+ 83 Linux |
| 15:46.09 | sofiane | /dev/sda7 19123 25496 51199123+ 83 Linux |
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| 15:46.10 | neonlightning | probly but i'm used to in linux thinking of gl as openal stuff lol |
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| 15:46.21 | sofiane | arf i was banned |
| 15:46.24 | sofiane | sorry duno |
| 15:46.24 | abrotman | GL is not the same as AL |
| 15:46.44 | neonlightning | doesn't al tie into the gl stuff |
| 15:46.48 | sofiane | jpinx, it s enough? you have the output? |
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| 15:47.00 | jpinx | !tell sofiane about paste |
| 15:47.18 | neonlightning | i know al(audio) gl(graphics) but i thought they used the same base |
| 15:47.20 | abrotman | neonlightning: /msg dpkg opengl .. /msg dpkg openal |
| 15:47.41 | neonlightning | abrotman, meh no worries i realize i was wrong |
| 15:47.43 | sofiane | jpinx, http://rafb.net/p/uoRN3R17.html |
| 15:48.38 | jpinx | sofiane: according to that you have no freespace |
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| 15:49.04 | neonlightning | abrotman, i wish the open radeon drivers didn't use mesa though because savage doesn't like to use a mesa base you just get a white screen at start |
| 15:49.06 | abrotman | neonlightning: and while there is a pay-for sound stack .. i don't think OSS is it (could be mistaken though) .. but there is a commercial X server |
| 15:49.11 | viper5323 | Where do I find the desktop icon for my windows partitition?? |
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| 15:49.35 | abrotman | radeon? savage? |
| 15:49.35 | neonlightning | abrotman, i think its called OSS4 |
| 15:49.45 | abrotman | okay |
| 15:50.05 | jpinx | sofiane: do df -h and paste it |
| 15:50.06 | viper5323 | how come my windows partition doesn't show up under "my computer"? |
| 15:50.55 | neonlightning | savage is a mmorpg i was thinking about trying since it runs natively in linux but with the radeon9250 you are stuck with a mesa base and when i read into it on the support forums for the game they said it was a problem with the game not liking that setup and there really isn't much you can do other then get a new card |
| 15:51.18 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 15:51.23 | abrotman | i thought you meant savage .. the video card |
| 15:51.39 | jpinx | viper5323: is it mounted? |
| 15:51.43 | sofiane | jpinx, /DuT6AH50.html |
| 15:51.46 | neonlightning | abrotman, lol idk how my statement would have even began to make sense then |
| 15:51.49 | viper5323 | how do I mount it? |
| 15:51.52 | dudeman | hey whats the freaking mirror |
| 15:51.54 | dudeman | damnit |
| 15:51.55 | abrotman | that's why it was confusing |
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| 15:51.59 | dudeman | !dmm |
| 15:52.00 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 15:52.04 | abrotman | msg the bot |
| 15:52.06 | dudeman | argh! |
| 15:52.14 | dudeman | my irssi is fully fucked again |
| 15:52.14 | sofiane | jpinx, it s a good partionning? |
| 15:52.16 | dudeman | gddalkjt |
| 15:52.28 | viper5323 | how do I mount my windows partition? |
| 15:52.31 | dudeman | sighs ahhhh boy |
| 15:52.36 | dudeman | viper5323, you want read/write or read only? |
| 15:52.44 | dudeman | viper5323, and is it ntfs or fat? |
| 15:52.50 | viper5323 | read only |
| 15:52.53 | viper5323 | mtfs |
| 15:52.56 | viper5323 | ntfs |
| 15:52.57 | dudeman | viper5323, use the linux ntfs driver |
| 15:53.00 | dudeman | !ntfsro |
| 15:53.00 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 15:53.12 | viper5323 | I have to download that driver? |
| 15:53.16 | dudeman | no |
| 15:53.17 | jpinx | viper5323: mount -a |
| 15:53.46 | dudeman | viper5323, add a line similar to that on /etc/fstab |
| 15:54.03 | jpinx | sofiane: you don't have any unused space - it's all available to you |
| 15:54.09 | viper5323 | how bout if I want to read and write? |
| 15:54.12 | abrotman | except .. change the drives as appropriate |
| 15:54.33 | jpinx | viper5323: you'll need to backport ntfs-3g |
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| 15:54.57 | viper5323 | how do I do that? |
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| 15:55.32 | jpinx | !tell viper5323 about backports |
| 15:55.38 | xsamurai | can i add a 64bit app on a 32 bit machine ? |
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| 15:56.20 | viper5323 | ok, so if I just want to read from it, I add mount -a in /etc/fstab? |
| 15:56.22 | sofiane | jpinx, but i have 250GO of space |
| 15:56.37 | sofiane | jpinx, it miss me about 30GO here no? |
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| 15:58.10 | jpinx | sofiane: you seem to have a 200Gb drive - not 250Gbs |
| 15:58.34 | sofiane | jpinx, i said i have space unused |
| 15:58.44 | sofiane | jpinx, np |
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| 16:00.13 | viper5323 | so if my hard drive is on sda1, what do I write in fstab to mount it? |
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| 16:00.42 | danners | can i mount a sshfs share in the fstab? |
| 16:00.53 | asg | danners: sure |
| 16:01.06 | viper5323 | I guess no one wants to tell me |
| 16:01.24 | dudeman | viper5323, /dev/sda1 /windows ntfs your.ntfs.options.here 0 0 (man fstab) |
| 16:01.26 | jpinx | viper5323: do mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /path/to/mount/point |
| 16:01.37 | jpinx | or what he said ^^ ;) |
| 16:01.47 | dudeman | danners, same way you'd mount anything via fstab, specify tpe cifs |
| 16:01.48 | danners | asg: and how i can not find documentation in man mount neither man sshfs? |
| 16:01.55 | dudeman | sshfs is deprecated afaik |
| 16:02.08 | danners | dudeman: sure you don't mean smbfs? |
| 16:02.11 | dudeman | danners, man cifs probably |
| 16:02.15 | dudeman | danners, you're right |
| 16:02.16 | dudeman | thanks |
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| 16:02.24 | dudeman | fucking brainfart sorry! |
| 16:02.29 | danners | dudeman: np |
| 16:02.29 | viper5323 | jpinx just paste that at the end of fstab? |
| 16:02.29 | asg | danners: ip:/path /mnt/point ... |
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| 16:02.56 | ezguy | i keep getting errors when install packages. what could be the problem? |
| 16:02.58 | dudeman | hey between sshfs and smbfs |
| 16:03.02 | dudeman | which one should one go with/ |
| 16:03.10 | dudeman | ezguy, pastebin the errors please |
| 16:03.20 | asg | dudeman: for security, shfs is the clear winner |
| 16:03.22 | dudeman | hey guys, how do I make my console bigger in cli |
| 16:03.26 | dudeman | asg, I mean overhead |
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| 16:03.33 | dudeman | does encryption make it tad slower? |
| 16:03.36 | asg | dudeman: cifs/smbfs has less overhead |
| 16:03.42 | asg | dudeman: yes |
| 16:03.42 | dudeman | I figured as much |
| 16:03.58 | dudeman | asg, by any chance you know how to make cli console larger than default rows/columns |
| 16:04.22 | asg | dudeman: boot with vga=791 or some other combination mentioned in the kernel Documentation/vesa.txt |
| 16:04.23 | dudeman | I want more room in cli can't figure out how to use this fbdev thing been battling the manpage for hours |
| 16:04.28 | jpinx | viper5323: /dev/sda1 /path/to/mount/point ntfs user,other-options.here 0 0 |
| 16:04.34 | dudeman | asg, well I see |
| 16:05.08 | dudeman | jpinx, you know I told him the exact same thing not 2 minuts ago |
| 16:05.10 | dudeman | ... |
| 16:05.21 | viper5323 | jpinx, so I just paste exact line at the end of fstab? |
| 16:05.31 | ezguy | see errors in http://pastebin.com/m5a89bd9b |
| 16:05.46 | jpinx | viper5323 - read man mount for the options |
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| 16:05.59 | dudeman | man mount |
| 16:06.04 | dudeman | read line # 93 onwards |
| 16:06.33 | jpinx | viper5323 or do mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /path2/mount/point as root |
| 16:07.02 | jpinx | but you'll need ntfs-3g or similar to mount rw |
| 16:07.20 | viper5323 | ok I am going to paste that exact line in fstab |
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| 16:07.38 | dudeman | viper5323, that line will give you an error |
| 16:07.38 | jpinx | viper5323: that "exact" line will not work |
| 16:07.41 | dudeman | be smart... |
| 16:07.50 | jpinx | read man mount |
| 16:07.53 | ezguy | any ideas what's causing errors? |
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| 16:09.09 | lunk_ | good morning, is there any reason that iceweasel is sooo slow on debian? |
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| 16:09.42 | dudeman | iceweasel is a bloated pice of shit |
| 16:10.02 | dudeman | lunk, too many extentions? perhaps? |
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| 16:10.14 | \amethyst | ext3 with data=ordered? |
| 16:10.14 | dudeman | lunk, flash making it slow? |
| 16:10.14 | jpinx | iceweasel is slow . |
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| 16:10.21 | lunk | dudeman: yea, i'm thinking your first statement is more accurate, i don't have any extensions |
| 16:10.33 | lunk | this is a fresh install, i thought it was just my computer |
| 16:10.34 | dudeman | lunk, links2 -g |
| 16:10.38 | jpinx | lunk - javascripts and flash make it really slow |
| 16:10.42 | dudeman | lunk, use iceweasel unless you HAVE to |
| 16:10.42 | grendelson | I jsut upgraded to testing and followed the instructions here from dpkg to reinstall Nvidia drivers. That worked ad glxgears runs jsut fine.- However I can't run doom3 now - anyone able to help me troubleshoot that? I used the NVIDIA drivers from nvidia previously and the game worked fine.... |
| 16:10.53 | ezguy | dudeman? |
| 16:11.02 | dudeman | ezguy, have not had a chance yet |
| 16:11.03 | dudeman | hang on |
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| 16:11.10 | themill | has no problems with iceweasel being slow |
| 16:11.23 | themill | crashy if I have > 100 tabs open, but not slow... |
| 16:11.24 | dudeman | I'm actually installing my own system as we speak |
| 16:11.34 | dudeman | themill, 100 |
| 16:11.41 | dudeman | you are a sick twisted man! |
| 16:11.42 | asg | it's perfectly fine as long as you don't visit crappy bloated websites |
| 16:11.46 | dudeman | :) |
| 16:11.47 | viper5323 | ok, I modified fstab, how do I see if it worked? |
| 16:11.53 | maligor | ff3 has (or had?) issues with displaying large amounts of images |
| 16:11.54 | lunk | asg: yea, like gmail? |
| 16:11.55 | themill | dudeman: yes. My browsing habits are poor. |
| 16:12.06 | dudeman | themill, eve hear of bookmarks? |
| 16:12.07 | dudeman | lol |
| 16:12.08 | asg | lunk: never had an issue with gmail myself |
| 16:12.18 | maligor | on certain drivers anyway (closed ones) |
| 16:12.29 | jpinx | asg - iceweasel suck with gmail |
| 16:12.40 | jpinx | uses opera for gmail |
| 16:12.44 | dudeman | shouldn't use a browser to check email anyway |
| 16:13.02 | lunk | this isn't the fastest laptop or anything, but i never recall firefox being this slow on other distros |
| 16:13.10 | themill | dudeman: yeah, use them lots. the problem is that it's a laptop that gets used for different work projects, for my own projects, for debian stuff, etc etc. And there's always a pile of "oh that's interesting, I'll read that later today" things open. |
| 16:13.18 | jpinx | lunk - try opera |
| 16:13.19 | WormFood | a browser is fine for email, under some conditions |
| 16:13.30 | dudeman | themill, there are extentions for that... |
| 16:13.37 | dudeman | make life so much easier |
| 16:13.47 | themill | such as? |
| 16:13.51 | WormFood | lunk, I found my computer and web browser run a LOT faster after I installed "noscript" (for firefox/iceape) |
| 16:13.53 | dudeman | WormFood, hey my china firned |
| 16:14.04 | WormFood | hey dudeman, how goes it |
| 16:14.05 | WormFood | ? |
| 16:14.07 | dudeman | themill, I forget but there are some that can save your tab for later and open it later |
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| 16:14.12 | dudeman | WormFood, chillin |
| 16:14.22 | danners | so i now have the right line in fstab, but how will i get a automated mount if i cant specify the password for the server? |
| 16:14.32 | WormFood | it is after midnight here, so I'll be going to bed before too long |
| 16:14.34 | themill | dudeman: that's not really going to help the problem... I can't see a technical solution to a pebkac problem... |
| 16:14.35 | dudeman | themill, exactly what you want |
| 16:14.53 | dudeman | themill, trust me.. I read exactly what you want on addons.mozilla.org on some bookmarking section |
| 16:14.56 | dudeman | try that |
| 16:15.01 | dudeman | list em by popularity |
| 16:15.16 | dudeman | im in cli atm |
| 16:15.20 | jpinx | WormFood: what's noscript? no results in package search |
| 16:15.32 | dudeman | noscript is a ff extention that blocks all js |
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| 16:15.40 | dudeman | unless you allow that particular script or site to run js |
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| 16:15.48 | jpinx | k |
| 16:16.03 | dudeman | it goes good with adblock plus |
| 16:16.12 | viper5323 | I put this in fstab, and restarted x, but it didn't mount it: /dev/sda1/media/Winxpntfsdefaults00 |
| 16:16.25 | dudeman | viper5323, not defaults |
| 16:16.45 | dudeman | you need to specify permissions otherwise you won't be able to access it as user, only root |
| 16:16.45 | viper5323 | then what? |
| 16:16.51 | jpinx | viper5323: no need to restart x - just run mount -a |
| 16:16.53 | dudeman | viper5323, seriously I'm about to lose my patience |
| 16:16.55 | WormFood | viper5323, RTFM dude...invest a little time into it |
| 16:16.56 | dudeman | you can;t read? |
| 16:16.59 | dudeman | seriously? |
| 16:17.24 | jpinx | viper5323: you are about to lose help here if you don't rtfm |
| 16:17.26 | grendelson | I used the steps listed here in /msg dpkg nvidia lenny to get the nvidia drivers installed - but doom3 segfaults. I'm assuming it is the drivers since it worked with the Nvidia drivers installed from the nvidia installer. Anyone running doom3 under lenny with an Nvidia card? |
| 16:17.48 | dudeman | grendelson, #nvidia |
| 16:17.53 | viper5323 | where is manual? |
| 16:18.09 | \amethyst | dudeman: his question was how to get it working with Debian's nvidia drivers |
| 16:18.11 | dudeman | viper5323, on the command line type "man mount" |
| 16:18.12 | grendelson | dudeman, I used the Lenny specific install - that was why I thought to ask here... I'll hop over there thanks.... |
| 16:18.20 | \amethyst | dudeman: since it was already working with the nvidia installer |
| 16:18.29 | dudeman | grendelson, see if anyone there has issues with this version of nvidia packaged with debian |
| 16:18.42 | dudeman | grendelson, also check the bts on nvidia packages |
| 16:18.57 | dudeman | \amethyst, if it segfautls surely you know the possible reasons |
| 16:19.14 | grendelson | \amethyst, Right I used the NVIDIA installer to get it working int he first place but after reading "why nvidia sucks" I switched back to the "debian install" method (and lenny is still flaky) |
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| 16:19.34 | dudeman | grendelson, does another 3d game work? |
| 16:19.42 | jpinx | if noscript blocks javascript in gmail, I might as well use the gmail html page -- no? |
| 16:19.45 | dudeman | grendelson, just doom3 segfaults or all 3d games|? |
| 16:19.48 | xsamurai | anybody here have knowledge of xen pae and debian ? |
| 16:19.56 | grendelson | dudeman, glxgears runs with high frmaerate... what other game taxes 3d? Tuxkart? |
| 16:19.59 | dudeman | jpinx, pretty much |
| 16:20.06 | dudeman | grendelson, many others |
| 16:20.08 | jpinx | :? |
| 16:20.10 | dudeman | nexius with full on graphics |
| 16:20.19 | \amethyst | grendelson: openarena maybe |
| 16:20.22 | dudeman | nah |
| 16:20.26 | dudeman | OA is light wieght |
| 16:20.28 | jpinx | looks for links-2 |
| 16:20.42 | jpinx | or whatever browser it is |
| 16:20.45 | dudeman | links2 |
| 16:20.53 | jpinx | ta |
| 16:20.58 | dudeman | elinks, lynx, links, links2 |
| 16:21.07 | dudeman | w3m |
| 16:21.14 | neonlightning | xlinks2 :) |
| 16:21.21 | dudeman | oh really? |
| 16:21.29 | lunk | why isn't firefox on here? what is this iceweasel imposter? |
| 16:21.37 | dudeman | lunk, lol |
| 16:21.45 | dudeman | !tell lunk about why iceweasel |
| 16:21.47 | neonlightning | grendelson, boswars aswell |
| 16:21.51 | lunk | i just downloaded the binary firefox, runs freakin' great |
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| 16:21.58 | jpinx | lynx is text only - no? |
| 16:22.03 | dudeman | yes |
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| 16:22.14 | WormFood | links and lynx are text browsers |
| 16:22.16 | dudeman | if you are in X you can try dillo |
| 16:22.28 | dudeman | galeon is light I think |
| 16:22.31 | jpinx | lunk - iseweasel *is* firefox but with certain lcence issues removed |
| 16:22.51 | jpinx | heh - what a selection of names ;) |
| 16:23.22 | grendelson | neonlightning, I'll try one of those... |
| 16:23.26 | neonlightning | dudeman, check links2 with -g |
| 16:23.32 | grendelson | dudeman, Tuckart rusn great... |
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| 16:23.41 | viper5323 | In fstab I put "auto" instead of "defaults" and it gave me this: mount: mount point /media/Winxp does not exist |
| 16:23.45 | grendelson | Tuxkart (need to practice 3d typing :-) |
| 16:23.50 | WormFood | one reason why linux will never gain mainstream acceptance is because of all the god damn crazy names used for almost everything |
| 16:23.59 | lunk | maybe the iceweasel maintainer needs to get the latest codebase and not worry about some ancient fork that is slow as hell. </rant> |
| 16:24.35 | jpinx | lunk - what did you do to make ff work so well? |
| 16:24.48 | lunk | downloaded and ran it? |
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| 16:24.54 | jpinx | links2 is a cool text only browser :) |
| 16:25.17 | viper5323 | wow, it's this difficult to even mount a hard drive in Debian? I should go back to Ubuntu |
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| 16:25.25 | neonlightning | has it as default x-www-browser |
| 16:25.34 | lunk | viper5323: probably |
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| 16:25.56 | jpinx | WormFood: yea - and the even wierder ID's on here |
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| 16:26.19 | jpinx | viper5323: you need to create the mountpoint |
| 16:26.34 | dudeman | oh man I just kicked shivering isles ass |
| 16:26.34 | viper5323 | and how do I do that? |
| 16:26.45 | themill | lunk: and which ancient fork would that be? |
| 16:26.47 | dudeman | fucking windows man. I am so glad to be back on debian after weeks |
| 16:26.52 | jpinx | viper5323 man mkdir |
| 16:26.56 | dudeman | you have no idea how good it feels |
| 16:27.03 | dudeman | mm |
| 16:27.22 | jpinx | feeds dudeman a debian sandwich |
| 16:27.24 | neonlightning | dudeman, i was stuck using my g/f's xp system last week |
| 16:27.44 | grendal_prime | i do..i have to use windows at work...well i have to have awindows box...my laptop goes with me everywhere its my primary machine but i have to have a windows machine because of some apps that we use here |
| 16:28.27 | dudeman | grendelson, I just boot a debian with XPDE |
| 16:28.29 | grendal_prime | its werid too they are webapps that have custome activex controls...like sharepoint(piece of shit by the way) |
| 16:28.32 | jpinx | grendal_prime: use debian and a virtualbox with whatever-piece-of-dirt-you-like running on it |
| 16:28.36 | viper5323 | can someone just tell me how to mount my winxp partition in fstab, instead of just telling me to read manuals?? |
| 16:28.39 | dudeman | nah |
| 16:28.42 | dudeman | fool the bosses |
| 16:28.46 | grendal_prime | jpinx: ya i do that as well. |
| 16:28.52 | dudeman | run XPDE they can't tell the diff if they donn't use your pc |
| 16:28.55 | jpinx | viper5323: NO |
| 16:29.08 | jpinx | RTFM |
| 16:29.13 | jelly | !tell viper5323 -about ntfsro |
| 16:29.24 | grendal_prime | run it seemlessly its alot of cpu cycles just to use IE occastionally |
| 16:29.29 | jelly | jpinx: constructive. |
| 16:29.29 | jpinx | !tell viper5323 about rtfm |
| 16:29.39 | grendal_prime | has anyone got a centro yet? |
| 16:29.43 | jpinx | jelly: this has been going a while now |
| 16:30.04 | jelly | still, there's a factoid for EXACTLY that purpose |
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| 16:30.33 | grendelson | BosWars rus great with OpenGL enabled at 1024X768. However Doom3 segfaults.... |
| 16:30.55 | grendelson | again only whren I use the Lenny method of installing - If I use NVidia installer it seeems to work :-( |
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| 16:31.14 | jpinx | lunk: I don't see a package for firefox - only iceweasel - where did you get it? |
| 16:31.20 | jelly | viper5323: do not expect handholding on this channel; if someone tells you to read a manual, chances are they have good reason to |
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| 16:31.30 | neonlightning | jpinx, they went to the mozilla page |
| 16:31.48 | jpinx | neonlightning: ok |
| 16:32.53 | WormFood | I thought doom3 was lacking for a FPS game....I personally liked Unreal Tournament (the original) |
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| 16:33.50 | neonlightning | WormFood, i have the loki copy of it and unreal gold :) |
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| 16:34.22 | karlpinc | How do I keep apt from sucking up space in /var with it's cache? I tried 'Dir::Cache::pkgcache "";' in /etc/apt/apt.conf and 'aptitude purge' still reclaimed megabytes of space. Should I be using the 'Dselect::Clean "always";' even though I'm using aptitude, or set 'Dir::Cache::archive "";' or what? |
| 16:34.31 | WormFood | jpinx, iceweasel is firefox in debian |
| 16:35.05 | karlpinc | Oops, I mean "aptitude clean" reclaimed space. |
| 16:35.05 | WormFood | if you want firefox instead of iceweasel, then download it and install it |
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| 16:36.06 | Bladesman | Hello. Am blind and my isp ported over to Google. Been trying to get anything to work with imap.gmail.com as I can't do webmail. Anyone imapping gmail wanna share the secret? |
| 16:36.28 | jpinx | WornFood: yea - I know that, but link said he had better speed with the FF original |
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| 16:36.54 | viper5323 | what are gid, uid, fmask, dmask? All I see in fstab are dump and pass |
| 16:37.24 | ezguy | what package can i use for setting/confinguring wireless network? |
| 16:37.36 | viper5323 | do I have to add a section for each of those? |
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| 16:39.14 | jbarbero | Hi, I have an odd issue with wireless. It works flawlessly, Lenny has connected to the nearest open AP without any intervention, but nothing shows up in networkmanager. |
| 16:39.23 | viper5323 | It's grea how some people would rather make newbs go through 3 hours of errors, instead of just spending 3 minutes to tell the newbs exactly what to do |
| 16:39.34 | jbarbero | In fact, networkmanager thinks I am not connected at all, although that's what probably connected to an unsecured ap by default. |
| 16:39.48 | jbarbero | I'm using the default gnome applet. |
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| 16:40.45 | viper5323 | again, i dont see gid, uid, fmask, and dmask in fstab?? do i have to add those catagories? |
| 16:40.48 | grendelson | DARN YOU - Now I'm hooked on BOSWARS! It runs great at full screen 1024 but I wanted to slay Demons :-) I'll ask at Nvidia - but they'll send me back telling me I need to use the Nvidia installer :-( I'll check BTS too. isn't there a bts package t use from the command line? |
| 16:41.06 | cahoot | jbarbero: you're aware nm assumes all but 'lo' is commented out /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 16:41.12 | jbarbero | I should also add that networkmanager works fine on an ubuntu installation on the same hardware (I have an assortment of 5 oses there). |
| 16:41.15 | viper5323 | Nvidia drivers are about impossible to install |
| 16:41.17 | jbarbero | cahoot: no, I'll check that then. |
| 16:41.51 | Bladesman | Just about impossible to install in Debian, you mean. |
| 16:41.55 | viper5323 | I never knew it would take 6 hours to install Debian, and still not work properly |
| 16:42.01 | grendelson | viper5323, There is an official Nvidia installer that makes it easy - but it can wreak havonc with debian files. so follow the debian way (/msg dpkg nvidia) |
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| 16:42.30 | viper5323 | grendelson, I tried the way on the nvidia wiki, didn't work at all |
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| 16:42.40 | viper5323 | I mean the Debian wiki |
| 16:43.12 | grendelson | viper5323, Right here in this channel `/msg dpkg nvidia` |
| 16:43.25 | grendelson | it will show you how to do it "The debian way" tm |
| 16:43.36 | grendelson | but the downloadable installer always works for me! |
| 16:43.46 | jbarbero | cahoot: that fixed it after restarting nm; thanks |
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| 16:43.53 | cahoot | np |
| 16:44.01 | jpinx | viper5323: if it has taken 6 hours - you're doing something wierd |
| 16:44.05 | grendelson | BUT now I want to see if I can get doom3 to work with the lenny nvidia drivers... |
| 16:44.31 | viper5323 | no, I followed the debian wiki on installing nvidia drivers, didn't work, gave me black screen |
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| 16:45.19 | jpinx | installed base etch in under an hour on an ancient laptop |
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| 16:45.57 | viper5323 | now I cant even get my winxp harddrive to mount cause i dont know where that gid, uid, dmask, fmask go in fstab |
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| 16:46.33 | stew | viper5323: they go in the options column, separated by commas |
| 16:46.57 | jbarbero | ah, good old nm. still sucks. :) |
| 16:47.00 | viper5323 | thanks stew, finally!! |
| 16:47.03 | jpinx | viper5323: you need to know your userid and enter that in the options |
| 16:47.44 | cahoot | and possibly read more |
| 16:48.18 | jpinx | viper5323: example - /dev/sda1 /mount/point ntfs user,uid=1000 0 0 |
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| 16:49.53 | jpinx | lunk: in your experience is firefox faster than iceweasel - I thought they are the same |
| 16:50.21 | Eulex | jpinx, there's no difference, with an iceweasel and firefox of the same version |
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| 16:51.31 | lunk | jpinx: ff3 is faster than iceweasel by a long shot |
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| 16:51.42 | viper5323 | you mean the id I log on with? |
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| 16:52.39 | Eulex | lunk, which iceweasel? |
| 16:52.44 | ma3x | hey i have a 1m square wireless base station setup next to my window, about 3 meters from me horizontal. can you tell me how bad it is (radiation) ... ? |
| 16:53.01 | stew | ma3x: ask #wireless or #hardware |
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| 16:53.21 | stew | viper5323: the uid returned by the "id" command |
| 16:53.22 | ma3x | ok |
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| 16:53.35 | neonlightning | whenever i try to run any configure script i get this /usr/bin/ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; defaulting to 00000000080481b then configure: line 3144: 27612 Illegal instruction ./$ac_file and it errors at either can't compile or can't run executable binaries |
| 16:53.56 | lunk | Eulex: which ever one is the default etch version |
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| 16:54.14 | Eulex | lunk, you're very correct that ff3 is much faster than ff2. |
| 16:54.38 | lunk | my laptop is having overheating issues, so i'm back on my gaming(win32) pc |
| 16:55.02 | lunk | going to have to pull out the whole motherboard to get to the fans, can't wait! |
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| 16:56.41 | jpinx | Eulex: lunk: looks like iceweasel is based on ff2 |
| 16:56.50 | lunk | yea |
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| 16:57.08 | Eulex | jpinx, the iceweasel in etch, 2.0.0.6, is based upon firefox 2.0.0.6. |
| 16:57.08 | lunk | the license crap doesn't matter if the software doesn't work |
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| 16:57.30 | Eulex | jpinx, the iceweasel in testing/unstable, 3.0.1, is based upon firefox 3.0.1. |
| 16:57.41 | jpinx | backports |
| 16:57.44 | viper5323 | actually I have been trying to get my nvidia driver to work for 8 hours now |
| 16:58.03 | viper5323 | Can someone please walk me through installing it step-by-step |
| 16:58.06 | stew | jpinx: good luck with backport the new gtk |
| 16:58.28 | lunk | viper5323: umm, aptitude install nvidia-kernel, it should get all the glx stuff, then go into /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the drive from "nv" to "nvidia" |
| 16:58.51 | lunk | viper5323: you may want to do aptitude search nvidia to get the right 686/486/k5 kernel module installed |
| 16:58.53 | Eulex | lunk, he's running etch, and the nvidia driver it provides is too old for his 8800. |
| 16:58.59 | lunk | ah |
| 16:59.14 | stew | viper5323: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 16:59.15 | jpinx | Hmm -- backports tells me I already have the latest iceweassel :( |
| 16:59.35 | Eulex | jpinx, is there a backport? |
| 16:59.39 | stew | Eulex: there isn't |
| 16:59.46 | Eulex | right |
| 16:59.50 | jpinx | Eulex - apparetnyl not :( |
| 17:00.03 | jpinx | rearranges his fingers |
| 17:00.12 | stew | backporting the newer gimp libraries is prohibitively hard |
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| 17:00.29 | lunk | jpinx: updating your keymap would be less painful sir ;) |
| 17:00.39 | jpinx | any ideas how to get the version3 of iceweasel ? |
| 17:00.43 | viper5323 | I tried that already, didn't work |
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| 17:00.58 | Eulex | stew, ah, the gtk problem? |
| 17:01.01 | stew | yes |
| 17:01.03 | lunk | jpinx: i downloaded directly fromg getfirefox.com and installed to ~/local |
| 17:01.03 | stew | jpinx: upgrade to testing, or wait for lenny to be released |
| 17:01.05 | anddam | hi |
| 17:01.31 | Eulex | lunk, on etch? |
| 17:01.33 | jpinx | has only ever installed with apt-get |
| 17:01.45 | karlpinc | How can I keep apt from caching packages (really, from using up disk space with installed .deb files?) |
| 17:01.45 | lunk | Eulex: yea, just installed to my user directory |
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| 17:01.52 | Eulex | ...do they link statically with gtk? |
| 17:02.10 | jpinx | lunk: I'd appreciate a handhold to do that? |
| 17:02.31 | lunk | jpinx: unbzip the tarball, and then do ./firefox |
| 17:02.35 | viper5323 | should I uninstall nvidia kernel-common and nvidia-kernal source before I try to install the drivers again?? |
| 17:02.39 | karlpinc | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.39 | rm_ | karlpinc, i just do "apt-get clean" and it purges the cache |
| 17:02.43 | grendelson | Anyone yet got doom3 running under nvidia card? I get segfault and installed the drivers te Debian way. |
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| 17:02.58 | karlpinc | rm_ : I don't want to have to do that every time, I want apt to do it for me. |
| 17:02.59 | Eulex | viper5323, kernel-common: yes. source: doesn't matter. |
| 17:03.12 | rm_ | karlpinc, i even had this added to cron at one point. But dunno, maybe there's a better way |
| 17:03.24 | grendelson | boswars runs fine and as I mentioned before the nvidia installer seesm to let doom3 run fine. not sure where the difference lies... |
| 17:03.25 | jpinx | lunk: what dir do I unzip into? |
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| 17:03.39 | lunk | i use /home/lunk/local |
| 17:03.46 | jpinx | cool - ta |
| 17:03.49 | karlpinc | rm_ : There's configs in /etc/apt/apt.conf for DSelect to automatically run clean, but I think that only works for deselect not the rest of apt. |
| 17:04.09 | viper5323 | how about xserver-xorg-video-nv ?? should I uninstall that? |
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| 17:05.00 | stew | viper5323: you shouldn't need to uninstall any debian packages |
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| 17:06.10 | viper5323 | well I already uninstalled all that nvidia stuff, so do I need to exit out of X now? and enter back in? |
| 17:06.23 | ricardoz | im doin an upgrade from etch to lenny. After downloading some packages and installing them I was tehn told to go into synaptic package manager and mark all upgrades. when i apply the changes im presnted with a long list of files to be removed and installed. Im worried that it will be removing files it shouldnt . |
| 17:06.52 | ricardoz | fir instance ecj.bootstrap |
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| 17:08.14 | Rapp | what is the difference between "buffers" and "cache", e.g. in top, free etc. |
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| 17:09.01 | jpinx | what's the problem upgrading GTk libraries? |
| 17:09.42 | jpinx | I have 2.8. and I need 2.10 |
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| 17:10.42 | asg | Rapp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cache |
| 17:10.55 | rmrfchik | how can I plug hdd-image to virtual-box? |
| 17:11.09 | ricardoz | is it normal for an upgrade to remove many packages ? |
| 17:11.17 | viper5323 | so is apt install nvidia-kernel all I need to do? |
| 17:11.30 | Rapp | asg, thanks. also found: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management#The_difference_between_buffers_and_cache |
| 17:11.30 | viper5323 | and then configure xserver.xorg? |
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| 17:13.11 | viper5323 | Is there any way to get EnvyNG working in Debian?? |
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| 17:15.49 | jpinx | lunk: it's asking for GTK+2.10 - I don't find that in packages anywhere. Any clues? |
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| 17:16.43 | stew | viper5323: you'd also have to install nvidia-glx. did you try following the instructsions on wiki.debian.org? |
| 17:16.54 | spaceninja | what to expect in debian 5? |
| 17:17.10 | stew | spaceninja: can you be more specific? |
| 17:17.19 | viper5323 | yes I did all that already, didnt work |
| 17:17.21 | spaceninja | what's new in debian 5 |
| 17:17.26 | viper5323 | I want to use EnvyNG |
| 17:17.29 | abrotman | spaceninja: hasn't been released yet |
| 17:17.30 | viper5323 | how do I use it? |
| 17:17.35 | abrotman | do not use Envy with Debian |
| 17:17.46 | stew | viper5323: you'd have to be more specific than "didn't work" waht part didn't work? |
| 17:17.56 | spaceninja | abrotman: well, does it have to be released in order to know what's new in it? |
| 17:18.10 | abrotman | spaceninja: be more specific? there's newer software .. what else do you want to know? |
| 17:18.14 | viper5323 | got blank screen after reboot |
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| 17:19.28 | viper5323 | brb |
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| 17:20.06 | shamrock | can someone help me getting "apturl" to work? http://linuxappfinder.com/install_info I can find no such package. |
| 17:20.24 | spaceninja | besides from that, why do I have to be more specific? How should I know what's new or not? How can I be specific |
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| 17:20.46 | spaceninja | is there some article about it? |
| 17:20.51 | abrotman | shamrock: for Debian? |
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| 17:21.06 | abrotman | spaceninja: do you want to know about packaging internals? |
| 17:21.07 | shamrock | abrotman: yes. I am trying to get the devhelp books installed. |
| 17:21.11 | spaceninja | yes |
| 17:21.15 | abrotman | apturl isn't in debian |
| 17:21.16 | miksuh | smantry aptlinex |
| 17:21.26 | abrotman | spaceninja: http://release.debian.org/lenny/goals.txt |
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| 17:21.31 | miksuh | Shadur: aptlinex |
| 17:21.32 | shamrock | abrotman: no, its a firefox thing for linux. Should it not work? |
| 17:21.34 | spaceninja | thanks :) |
| 17:21.42 | miksuh | damn |
| 17:21.42 | abrotman | shamrock: no idea .. first i've heard of it |
| 17:21.46 | miksuh | sill wrong |
| 17:22.09 | jbarbero | OK, this is another NM issue, and I'm sure it's not the old one because I rebooted. There are two networks in the vicinity; a strong and weak one. Even when I manually select the strong one, NM tries, fails, and connects to the weak one (obviously without telling me why). I should also add that Ubuntu's connects to the strong one fine by default. Anyone know where NM keeps its logs under debian? |
| 17:22.18 | miksuh | shamrock: try aptlinex |
| 17:22.22 | miksuh | ok now :) |
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| 17:22.43 | shamrock | miksuh: thanks |
| 17:22.58 | shamrock | why are the devhelp books not in debian repositories? |
| 17:23.02 | shamrock | (for C) |
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| 17:23.14 | abrotman | what is the devhelp books? |
| 17:23.22 | asg | manpages-dev I expect |
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| 17:23.28 | abrotman | !info devhelp etch |
| 17:23.31 | abrotman | !info devhelp lenny |
| 17:23.36 | shamrock | the API documentation for the "debian standard" documentation interface "devhelp". |
| 17:23.45 | abrotman | debian standard? |
| 17:23.53 | dpkg | devhelp: (A GNOME developers help program), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.13-1 (etch), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 17:24.00 | dpkg | devhelp: (A GNOME developers help program), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.19.1-5 (lenny), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 196 kB |
| 17:24.33 | shamrock | that is the program. That is there. The docs with the actual APIs however, are not. Stuff like the standard c library. |
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| 17:25.48 | abrotman | shamrock: manpages-dev |
| 17:25.54 | abrotman | or use non-free gcc-doc |
| 17:26.19 | shamrock | abrotman: ? manpages are not devhelp books. |
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| 17:26.29 | abrotman | man pages are man apges |
| 17:26.59 | shamrock | yes. but they are not devhelp pages. |
| 17:27.14 | jelly-home | shamrock: glibc-doc is in non-free |
| 17:27.28 | abrotman | devhelp just renders html man pages |
| 17:27.58 | shamrock | abrotman: does it? Last time I used it, it had its own file format. |
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| 17:28.05 | jpinx | I'm looking for GTK+2.10.6 at least. Is that in Lenny? |
| 17:28.11 | shamrock | thanks for the info - I will try then. Maybe I was wrong. |
| 17:28.26 | abrotman | shamrock: apt-cache show devhelp |
| 17:28.26 | jelly-home | jpinx: uhm... packages.debian.org? |
| 17:28.43 | jpinx | jelly-home: no luck there |
| 17:28.50 | abrotman | jpinx: then you're doing it wrong |
| 17:28.56 | abrotman | what are you trying to compile? |
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| 17:29.11 | shamrock | abrotman: no. It does not render man pages. I have the manpages for msgctl (for example) and devhelp shows nothing. |
| 17:29.25 | jpinx | I'd like to apt-get install GTK+2.10.6 |
| 17:29.30 | abrotman | why?@! |
| 17:29.35 | stew | jpinx: why? |
| 17:29.36 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.37 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.37 | jelly-home | jpinx: hmph. the binary package name is libgtk2.0-0 |
| 17:29.43 | jpinx | for firefox 3 |
| 17:29.45 | zinx | !info libgtk2.0-0 lenny |
| 17:29.48 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-0: (The GTK+ graphical user interface library), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.12.11-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 2054 kB, Installed size: 4992 kB |
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| 17:29.53 | zinx | jpinx: uhm, aptitude install iceweasel. |
| 17:29.54 | abrotman | jpinx: lenny has iceweasel3 |
| 17:29.57 | stew | jpinx: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 17:30.05 | jpinx | etchnhalf |
| 17:30.11 | jelly-home | iceweasel != firefox |
| 17:30.13 | shamrock | abrotman: and "apt-cache show devhelp" shows it uses .devhelp files. |
| 17:30.14 | macrohard | hi can u tell me how to install pidgin on debian ? |
| 17:30.18 | stew | jpinx: there is no easy way to do that in etch |
| 17:30.23 | zinx | jpinx: but besides that, firefox 3 works with gtk+ 2.12.11-3 |
| 17:30.25 | stew | macrohard: what version of debian? |
| 17:30.29 | macrohard | 4 |
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| 17:30.30 | macrohard | etch |
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| 17:30.37 | Eulex | jpinx, you _will_ break your system if you upgrade your gtk. |
| 17:30.42 | stew | macrohard: it is in backports: "/msg dpkg bpo" |
| 17:30.49 | jpinx | Eulex :( |
| 17:30.55 | zinx | jelly-home: iceweasel is firefox with *very minor* modifications to make it conform a bit more to debian policy. |
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| 17:31.03 | jpinx | goes back to iceweasel 2 |
| 17:31.07 | Bogus8 | hmm, I'm having problems installing a NIC... I dropped in a DFE 530 TX+ because of some packet loss on the mobo NIC... |
| 17:31.13 | ricardoz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:31.35 | jpinx | if I upgrade to lenny will I get ff3 then? |
| 17:31.44 | jpinx | or iceweasel 3 |
| 17:31.48 | stew | jpinx: you will get iceweasel 3 |
| 17:31.52 | deus__ | lol |
| 17:31.53 | zinx | lenny isn't neccesarily an upgrade, though i think it is nearing release |
| 17:32.03 | macrohard | how to get from the backport stew ? |
| 17:32.17 | stew | macrohard: read the instructions page at backports.org |
| 17:32.21 | zinx | jpinx: don't listen to jelly-home, iceweasel is pretty much firefox, apart from some small stuff you'll never notice |
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| 17:32.34 | zinx | oh, and the icons which you will notice :P |
| 17:33.07 | jpinx | I'm know IceWeasel is FF with licence issues sorted, but I'd like version 3 |
| 17:33.22 | snitko | why everytime I restart the server /etc/motd gets reset to some default message, instead of my own? |
| 17:33.30 | Kovensky | jpinx: there is iceweasel3 on testing |
| 17:33.40 | justin | snitko: grep motd -r /etc/ |
| 17:33.54 | jelly-home | zinx: and the support by upstream, including their updates system |
| 17:33.58 | zinx | jpinx: looks like you'd have to move to lenny for that |
| 17:34.06 | asg | snitko: are you using lenny or higher? |
| 17:34.20 | jpinx | Kovensky: yea - but it won't backport |
| 17:34.26 | snitko | asg: i'm using ubuntu ) |
| 17:34.29 | zinx | jelly-home: that would interfere with Debian's packaging and f' up your system if it were enabled :/ |
| 17:34.33 | abrotman | snitko: ask #ubuntu |
| 17:34.35 | asg | snitko: then ask #ubuntu |
| 17:34.35 | stew | snitko: ask #ubuntu then |
| 17:34.43 | jpinx | heh |
| 17:34.44 | macrohard | how to satisfy dependencies ? |
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| 17:35.20 | macrohard | ther is no apt-get install command ?? i was rpm user noob at deb |
| 17:35.21 | jelly-home | zinx: I mean, one can just install their tarball in /opt/firefox and have ff3 proper |
| 17:35.31 | zinx | jelly-home: why would one want to? |
| 17:35.38 | jelly-home | zinx: I just said why |
| 17:35.41 | snitko | comon, they totally suck there in ubuntu, seriously. I thought it's exactly kind of thing to ask in #debian |
| 17:35.50 | zinx | jelly-home: because one doesn't like Debian? |
| 17:36.02 | zinx | jelly-home: i think that may cover a very small percentage of the users in here |
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| 17:36.03 | jpinx | jelly-home I have ff3 but it want GTK_2.10.6 minimum |
| 17:36.05 | jelly-home | zinx: because it works as expected |
| 17:36.24 | abrotman | snitko: they gave your OS .. ask them .. it's not up for discussion |
| 17:36.27 | jpinx | snitko - install debian and come back ;) |
| 17:36.28 | zinx | jelly-home: iceweasel works as expected as well, i'm not seeing the advantage to a rather large app that's not managed by packaging |
| 17:36.35 | stew | snitko: no, #debian is for end-user support of debian only. if you can't find the help you need in #ubuntu, perhaps try a web forum or mailing list or some such |
| 17:36.45 | WormFood | is anyone having problems downloading packages from ftp.debian.org, or is it my crappy chinese internet that is giving me problems? |
| 17:36.50 | p1ngp0ng_ | !icedtea |
| 17:36.50 | dpkg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IcedTea or http://icedtea.classpath.org |
| 17:36.50 | snitko | ok, I got it |
| 17:36.52 | jelly-home | jpinx: like others have said, you'll have to upgrade the distro to lenny to get newer gtk+ |
| 17:36.52 | abrotman | WormFood: try another mirror |
| 17:36.59 | stew | WormFood: you shoudln't use ftp.debian.org, use a mirror: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 17:37.05 | abrotman | WormFood: really .. ftp.d.o isn't a good 'mirror' anyways |
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| 17:37.13 | jelly-home | zinx: It's managed using upstream methods |
| 17:37.16 | WormFood | abrotman, I am using a mirror, but what mirror in china has sid packages? |
| 17:37.20 | jpinx | jelly-home - that's going to the top of the to-don list then. Thanks |
| 17:37.32 | stew | WormFood: "/msg dpkg mirrors" will get you a list of mirrors |
| 17:37.37 | zinx | jelly-home: so are nVidia's drivers, and there's no way in heck i'm installing those unpackaged |
| 17:37.56 | jelly-home | zinx: negative on that, they really interfere with dpkg |
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| 17:38.21 | abrotman | WormFood: any of them should |
| 17:38.27 | jelly-home | zinx: (they do divert in their special ways, and break upgrades) |
| 17:39.01 | jelly-home | zinx: ff3 in its own dir doesn't mess with the rest of the system afair |
| 17:39.11 | zinx | jelly-home: i'm still not seeing the advantage |
| 17:39.24 | jelly-home | shrugs |
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| 17:39.57 | macrohard | stew how to install pidgin |
| 17:39.58 | macrohard | ? |
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| 17:40.33 | stew | macrohard: did you read the instructions page on backports.org? it tells you exactly how to install a pacakge from backports.org, the name of the package is 'pidgin' |
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| 17:41.06 | abrotman | wishes they'd just put a "pidgin" package in at one of the updates .. |
| 17:41.23 | macrohard | when i run it with gdebi packge installer it says it require s dependencies |
| 17:41.53 | WormFood | already on it stew ;) |
| 17:42.11 | ricardoz | if you was doing a loads of travelling , a world tour what packages would you download. apt -spy a time sync anything else? |
| 17:42.18 | WormFood | what pisses me off about iceape...and maybe firefox does the same thing....is how it caches dns responses....or whatever it does to bypass the hosts file.....I add a host to my hosts file, and it still fetches the ip from dns....even after restarting iceape |
| 17:42.34 | WormFood | do all mirrors have all branches? |
| 17:42.40 | WormFood | because I run sid, and I told it to use a chinese mirror, and it still pull packages from ftp.debian.org, but it pulls updates from my local mirror |
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| 17:42.52 | shamrock | could someone help me "install" the following as a package? http://packages.debian.org/sarge/devhelp-book-glibc |
| 17:43.09 | viper5323 | ok finally got my nvidia drivers to install with EnvyNG |
| 17:43.15 | viper5323 | took forever |
| 17:43.31 | abrotman | shamrock: don't do that |
| 17:43.34 | jelly-home | WormFood: other things being the same, order in sources.list matters |
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| 17:43.47 | abrotman | !tell shamrock about non-free |
| 17:43.58 | viper5323 | Can someone tell me how to launch compiz? cause I downloaded it but I don't see it on the applications menu? |
| 17:44.29 | WormFood | my bad, I thought I updated all my sources, but I see I didn't |
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| 17:45.09 | shamrock | abrotman: Why not? I need them. |
| 17:45.22 | abrotman | shamrock: firstly .. it doesn't even match the version of debian you have |
| 17:45.54 | shamrock | but there is not version matching my version. Groan. All i want are the programming APIs :-( |
| 17:46.11 | abrotman | shamrock: do you hve non-free sources in your sources.list ? |
| 17:46.13 | danners | viper5323: are you using gnome? |
| 17:46.37 | shamrock | abrotman: "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free" |
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| 17:46.53 | abrotman | wow .. so you wanted to install a libc6 2.2 reference for libc6 2.7? |
| 17:47.10 | abrotman | shamrock: aptitude install glibc-doc |
| 17:47.16 | abrotman | shamrock: aptitude install glibc-doc manpages-dev |
| 17:47.21 | shamrock | abrotman: I have that installed. |
| 17:47.30 | abrotman | both ? |
| 17:47.40 | shamrock | thay are *manpages* , they are not devhelp files... |
| 17:48.06 | abrotman | glibc-doc-reference: /usr/share/doc/glibc-doc-reference/html/getpass.html |
| 17:48.09 | danners | viper5323: if so, i would install fusion-icon, so you can easily turn compiz on/off |
| 17:48.10 | abrotman | yeah .. clearly manpages |
| 17:48.11 | jelly-home | isn't glibc-doc the reference manual, info format? |
| 17:48.21 | abrotman | jelly-home: both AFAIK |
| 17:48.39 | abrotman | jelly-home: apt-file list glibc-doc-reference |
| 17:48.54 | jelly-home | you mean dpkg -L :-) |
| 17:49.05 | abrotman | if you have it installed |
| 17:49.25 | shamrock | but not the devhelp format. Which is the "standard" first stop which I have interfaced to emacs. I dont know why they have been taken out of debian. They used to be there. They used to just work. |
| 17:49.49 | viper5323 | how do I install fusion icon? |
| 17:49.54 | abrotman | standard? |
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| 17:50.08 | stew | shamrock: probably becuase of the license |
| 17:50.11 | danners | viper5323: are you on etch or lenny? |
| 17:50.14 | jelly-home | "usual" |
| 17:50.18 | viper5323 | etch |
| 17:50.18 | shamrock | I dont know how I can explain it better. devhelp is the "supported" API interface, |
| 17:50.27 | shamrock | it is the "gnome way". |
| 17:50.36 | viper5323 | danners: etch |
| 17:50.41 | abrotman | so you mean that devhelp can't be made to point to /usr/share/doc/glibc-doc-reference/html/ ? |
| 17:50.49 | danners | viper5323: don't know if it's packaged for etch if not just run compiz --replace & in a terminal |
| 17:50.57 | stew | ahh, no not becuase of the license: |
| 17:51.00 | stew | !dbugs 322861 |
| 17:51.03 | dpkg | #:N[#322861] ; |
| 17:51.06 | shamrock | I dont want to have to use manpages in one set of stuff, info in another and devhelp in another. The devhelp books are there, just not included for some reason. I guess I have to give up. |
| 17:51.07 | abrotman | yay! |
| 17:51.08 | jelly-home | shamrock: you'll likely have to submit a bug reporting requesting packaging in devhelp- format be reinstated |
| 17:51.26 | abrotman | RM: devhelp-books -- RoM; outdated and no longer useful |
| 17:51.34 | stew | shamrock: that pacakge was removed from debian becuase the maintainer said that they were outdated and no longer useful: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=322861 |
| 17:51.37 | abrotman | see .. that was easy .. they're outdated and no longer useful! |
| 17:51.44 | shamrock | what a crock of sh*t. |
| 17:52.01 | shamrock | At the same time other places are pimping devhelp as the main API interface. |
| 17:52.10 | shamrock | Thanks guys. YOu have been a help. |
| 17:52.16 | abrotman | shamrock: you're looking for which documentation? |
| 17:52.21 | abrotman | shamrock: libc6 or gnome-ish stuff? |
| 17:52.32 | asg | shamrock: as the bug says, you can easily grab the books from http://lidn.sf.net/ |
| 17:52.34 | jpinx | bah! dillo doesn't do javascripts |
| 17:53.05 | jelly-home | won't start the usual gfdl rant |
| 17:53.09 | shamrock | you mean the page which does nto exist? |
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| 17:53.10 | abrotman | looks at the calendar |
| 17:53.20 | abrotman | shamrock: maybe there's a reason it doesn't exist :) |
| 17:53.22 | asg | shamrock: exactly |
| 17:53.46 | abrotman | shamrock: the bug stew referenced said that it's basically unused since many of the packages have their own -doc package |
| 17:53.52 | viper5323 | danners: this is what I get: http://pastebin.com/d510e4d3a |
| 17:54.12 | shamrock | yes. No one knows what the others are doing. devhelp is the standard gnome intergace. GTK/Pango etc etc are all there in devhelp. All I want is libc documentation in devhelp. And someone decided it was not useful. Aargh. |
| 17:54.24 | jelly-home | a simple search results in http://code.google.com/p/htmlhelp/downloads/list?q=label:DevHelp, though |
| 17:54.32 | viper5323 | danners: I am getting the wobbly windows effects and everything, but I can't find my compiz control panel?? |
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| 17:54.56 | danners | viper5323: what do you mean with compiz control panel? |
| 17:55.00 | shamrock | abrotman: -doc means nothing with regard to devhelp files. They may or may not contain devhelp files. The devhelp files I want and need are the lic ones. |
| 17:55.08 | shamrock | s/lic/libc |
| 17:55.09 | abrotman | dude .. stop with devhelp .. |
| 17:55.15 | viper5323 | I mean the panel where you can choose which effects you want |
| 17:55.26 | danners | viper5323: thats a seperate package |
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| 17:55.37 | kblin | hi folks |
| 17:55.37 | viper5323 | what is that package called? |
| 17:55.37 | abrotman | shamrock: i'm fairly certain you can have the help system look in the glibc-doc-reference directory |
| 17:55.46 | shamrock | abrotman: you're not a programmer I take it? You do not see the need for a sigle port of call for API references? |
| 17:55.55 | abrotman | shamrock: yeah .. i use the man pages |
| 17:56.04 | danners | viper5323: i think compizconfig-settings-manager |
| 17:56.22 | shamrock | and guess what??????????? gtk does not have any damn manpages - only devhelp! |
| 17:56.34 | claint | i'll ask for help since i am a bit stuck. I have two sata disks on raid1 with an lvm on top of it. (The partitions are defined on the lvm.) Anyone know how I get the lenny debian-installer to detect this lvm drive on raid1 sata and partitions on it? |
| 17:56.53 | zinx | shamrock: sucks to be a developer. deal. |
| 17:57.14 | kblin | I'm having some issues with a program that's linking against the postgresql libs. it seems like the name of the server socket changed from 7.4 to 8.3, and the program doesn't seem to pick up the new socket name |
| 17:57.17 | shamrock | abrotman: what "help system" are you referring to when you say you are certain we can have it look in glibc-doc-reference directory? |
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| 17:57.24 | viper5323 | nope it's not in the package manager |
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| 17:57.31 | zinx | shamrock: glibc is documented through info, and some kind souls have created man pages for it as well |
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| 17:57.48 | kblin | I've tried with etch and postgres-8.3 via backports first, and updated to lenny when I first bumped into this problem |
| 17:57.50 | viper5323 | I need that compiz control panel |
| 17:57.53 | shamrock | I know glibc has manpages .... |
| 17:58.22 | kblin | but I still get the same issue, even after a complete recompile of the program |
| 17:58.24 | shamrock | devhelp, however, was supposed to encompass all this. I guess I expected too much. |
| 17:58.31 | danners | viper5323: well i just have lenny install here and there it exists, don't know how to get it in etch maybe just do a apt-cache search compiz and look at the packages |
| 17:58.39 | kblin | is there any place where it could still be picking up the old socket name? |
| 17:59.07 | zinx | shamrock: no, that's way out of scope for anything GNOME would do. devhelp is intended only for gnome-related documentation. |
| 17:59.23 | jelly-home | shamrock: as for gtk+, there's html in libgtk2.0-doc |
| 17:59.29 | zinx | shamrock: and people still have to write it. |
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| 18:00.08 | pachyz | buenas |
| 18:00.11 | shamrock | zinx: so how come the glibc devhelp does exist? |
| 18:00.12 | jelly-home | zinx: it's not an issue of stuff not being written, but not being included in debian |
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| 18:00.21 | pachyz | spanish ? |
| 18:00.24 | asg | !es |
| 18:00.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:00.29 | zinx | shamrock: because someone wrote it. |
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| 18:00.38 | shamrock | zinx: well done. |
| 18:00.49 | shamrock | And it exists. As a debian package. |
| 18:00.54 | jfm3 | Hello #debian. I recently upgraded to kernel 2.6.25-2-686, glibc 2.7-13 (from what versions I do not know). I can no longer resolve 'localhost'. I'm imagining this is a FAQ, but I can't find it. Any clues appreciated! |
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| 18:00.56 | pachyz | gracias |
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| 18:00.59 | zinx | shamrock: because someone packaged it. |
| 18:01.01 | shamrock | anyway this is going no where. Thanks fellas. |
| 18:01.26 | shamrock | zinx: well done. And there was me thinking it was nothing to do with Gnome ..... |
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| 18:01.42 | grendelson | I tried to get help at Nvidia for doom3 segfaulting and I did send a bug report to nvidia via e-mail. They want me to use the Nvidia installer since that seems to let doom3 start. However I am trying to get to an all debian package system but soom3 segfaults. Looking for assistance in troubleshooting. Or should I just uninstall all nvidia packages and use the Nvidia installer? |
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| 18:02.26 | ricardoz | im doing an upgrade to lenny from etch. Just recived this warning .... kdm, wdm and xdm display mangers require a restart ..for new version of libpam... will need to restart by hand. How do I restart by hand ? |
| 18:02.30 | zinx | grendelson: what debian release? etch/lenny/sid? potato/sarge? :P |
| 18:02.37 | grendelson | zink_, Sorry Lenny |
| 18:02.53 | zinx | grendelson: i don't think lenny has nVidia's drivers |
| 18:02.58 | grendelson | I instllaed drivers using the dpkg instructions here (nvidia_lenny (1-2) |
| 18:03.00 | adama_ | ricardoz: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace |
| 18:03.15 | adama_ | save your work first ;) |
| 18:03.20 | grendelson | zinx, Yeah the install instructions are here by msg dpkg lenny nvidia |
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| 18:03.39 | ricardoz | im in the process of of installing the upgrades. ? |
| 18:03.57 | adama_ | ricardoz: wait until that's done |
| 18:04.04 | zinx | oh dear me, those instructions are terrible |
| 18:04.09 | adama_ | otherwise it'd restart it itself |
| 18:04.20 | zinx | wonders who wrote the nvidia_lenny_1 / nvidia_lenny_2 factoids |
| 18:04.25 | ricardoz | so i restart by hand by pressing ctrl alt backspace ? |
| 18:04.29 | wols_ | grendelson: you did build the packages from source? |
| 18:04.36 | zinx | wols_: he mixed lenny and sid. |
| 18:04.43 | grendelson | wols_, Yes using the factoids here... |
| 18:04.44 | dudeman | hey |
| 18:04.50 | wols_ | zinx: not really |
| 18:04.55 | zinx | oh wait it says deb-src |
| 18:05.04 | wols_ | grendelson: do what they told you, if only for testing purposes |
| 18:05.16 | dudeman | I'm installing the actual firefox3 inside lenny, and not iceweasel (cuz of some version stuff some extentions don't install on iceweasel) anyway, whats the best place/method to install it? |
| 18:05.27 | grendelson | wols_, You mean uninstall debian nvidia* packages and reinstall drivers from installer? |
| 18:05.29 | dudeman | I'm sure ff isn't supported here, but some tip would be nice |
| 18:05.37 | dudeman | I'm sure others here use ff over iceweasel too sometimes... |
| 18:05.42 | asg | dudeman: /opt |
| 18:05.47 | adama_ | ricardoz: correct. It will kill all your programs and stuff though, then you'll have to log in again |
| 18:05.48 | wols_ | grendelson: yes. if you can the exact same version |
| 18:05.56 | asg | or in your /home someplace if nobody else is going to need to use it |
| 18:05.59 | dudeman | asg, just unpack to /opt/ff3? |
| 18:06.03 | ricardoz | adama the installation has given me the warning and is asking do i want to go forward ? |
| 18:06.04 | dudeman | asg, nah just me |
| 18:06.07 | dudeman | oh ok |
| 18:06.09 | grendelson | wols_, Hmm interesting point - the version in sid src is 09 and the version in installer is 12 |
| 18:06.14 | dudeman | asg, so I can just put it in ~/.firefox? |
| 18:06.33 | wols_ | grendelson: do othzer 3D apps work? glxgears? glxinfo? |
| 18:06.43 | grendelson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:06.47 | wols_ | dudeman: |
| 18:06.56 | wols_ | dudeman: ~/bin makes more sense |
| 18:06.56 | ricardoz | ok so i press forward then when i get a command line I press ctrl alt backspeace ? |
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| 18:07.06 | grendelson | wols_, glxgears, boswars all work even in full scren with high fps... |
| 18:07.19 | adama_ | whenever you're done with your installs |
| 18:07.48 | adama_ | ricardoz: ctrl alt backspace will restart X any time. |
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| 18:07.56 | wols_ | grendelson: nvidia drivers being closed source, it's pretty much impossible to debug. try one version after the other until one works :( |
| 18:08.05 | shamrock | zinx: you mentioned manpages for gtk. Do you know where they are? |
| 18:08.07 | ricardoz | adama ok ive pressed forward. when the installation is complete i press ctrl alt backspace ? |
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| 18:08.18 | zinx | shamrock: i didn't mention manpages for gtk |
| 18:08.18 | adama_ | ricardoz: yep |
| 18:08.26 | shamrock | ooops. Someone did. |
| 18:08.42 | grendelson | wols_, I reckoned that would be answer :-) I really wanted to get to Debian package version to make life easier but if installer version works then I'll ahve to stick with it.... |
| 18:09.10 | jelly-home | shamrock: libgtk2.0-doc is html |
| 18:09.13 | wols_ | grendelson: look at the debian sources package and try to merge the nvidia .12 version into it maybe? |
| 18:09.15 | abrotman | shamrock: i think the gnome help system can |
| 18:09.19 | wols_ | grendelson: ie keep /debian |
| 18:09.33 | abrotman | shamrock: there are numerous -doc packages |
| 18:09.35 | ricardoz | adama ok thanks |
| 18:09.46 | grendelson | wols_, That sound simple but may be a little over my head :-) The merge the * into it part... |
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| 18:10.10 | wols_ | grendelson: there can't be much difference between .9 and .12 imho. shouldn't be toio hard |
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| 18:10.22 | abrotman | shamrock: libgtk2.0-doc for example |
| 18:10.34 | ricardoz | adama if for some reason that doesnt work and i restart to find x hasnt started . how do i restart then from the command line ? |
| 18:11.21 | asg | dudeman: I wouldn't put it there myself since that's where it'll store configs, caches, etc. /home/<user>/opt/ff3 would be a decent choice. |
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| 18:13.19 | viper5133 | Can someone please tell me how to log start my nvidia xserver program from root? |
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| 18:13.35 | stew | viper5133: startx |
| 18:14.00 | stew | viper5133: though we recommend you don't start X as root, use a regular user account instead |
| 18:14.05 | viper5133 | ok and how do I get to my compiz fusion control panel? |
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| 18:14.32 | viper5133 | I have to start X as root to save the configuration file |
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| 18:15.35 | viper5133 | how do i get a compiz fusion control panel like Ubuntu has? |
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| 18:16.21 | OBcecado | viper5133: change to ubuntu |
| 18:16.34 | viper5133 | come on seriously |
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| 18:16.57 | viper5133 | how do I get the compiz fusion control panel where I can choose wobbly windows and stuff like that?? |
| 18:17.29 | viper5133 | and how do I get the compiz fusion icon? |
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| 18:18.10 | viper5133 | nobody knows??? |
| 18:18.15 | miksuh | install compiz fusion icon package :) |
| 18:18.23 | jelly-home | viper5133: seriously, play with it and try to figure out by yourself |
| 18:18.24 | ricardoz | how do I restart a display manage from the command line ? |
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| 18:18.30 | viper5133 | um yeah, it's not in the package manager |
| 18:18.40 | asg | ricardoz: /etc/init.d/[xkg]dm start |
| 18:18.58 | JyZyXEL | apt-cache search compiz |
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| 18:19.03 | viper5133 | so none of you have a compiz fusion icon? |
| 18:19.41 | miksuh | Viper1432: well i don't remmber in which compiz package it is |
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| 18:20.06 | miksuh | but install all compiz packages which you can find in lenny repository, if you use lenny |
| 18:20.18 | jelly-home | it's gone |
| 18:20.28 | miksuh | compiz fusion icon will then be in the gnome menu wheere you can start it |
| 18:20.34 | miksuh | ah |
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| 18:21.31 | ricardoz | asg thanks im hoping ctrl alt backspacwe will work but just in case |
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| 18:23.46 | miksuh | I don't quite understand those who come to channel, ask something and if they don't get answer in few minutes then they leave |
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| 18:25.26 | miksuh | don't be so damn impatient |
| 18:25.35 | miksuh | IRC is for idling :) |
| 18:25.42 | grendelson | Is there a kernel in Lenny that is compiled with 4.3gcc (since that is what gets installed with lenny?) Or are there easy to follow instructions for compiling against the installed 4.3? |
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| 18:26.17 | viper5323 | I can't find the fusion icon for etch. What do I do? |
| 18:26.37 | viper5323 | it's not in the normal etch repositories |
| 18:26.49 | miksuh | Viper1432: there is no official compiz fusion for the lenny |
| 18:26.53 | miksuh | Viper1432: there is no official compiz fusion for the etch |
| 18:26.58 | miksuh | ofcourse I meant etch |
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| 18:27.15 | viper5323 | so how do I get it? |
| 18:27.41 | miksuh | Viper1432: compiz fusion is in the lenny and it has also compiz icon |
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| 18:28.13 | abrotman | there is compiz-fusion for lenny |
| 18:28.20 | miksuh | yes |
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| 18:28.30 | abrotman | talk more! |
| 18:28.35 | viper5323 | well I installed compiz in etch, but there is no control panel and no fusion icon, so how do I get those? |
| 18:28.37 | JyZyXEL | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:28.51 | abrotman | viper5323: the compiz in etch is not compiz-fusion |
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| 18:29.17 | miksuh | yeah it's original compiz |
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| 18:29.31 | viper5323 | does it have a control panel? |
| 18:30.01 | miksuh | Viper1432: I think not |
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| 18:30.26 | viper5323 | jyZyXeL will apt-get dist-upgrade allow me to install compiz fusion? |
| 18:30.59 | abrotman | no |
| 18:31.02 | JyZyXEL | not alone |
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| 18:32.04 | viper5323 | why are the fonts in iceweasal so terrible?? Can I make them better? Or should I just install firefox? |
| 18:32.15 | JyZyXEL | !tell viper5323 about etch->lenny |
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| 18:32.24 | abrotman | viper5323: solve your problems one at a time |
| 18:32.36 | viper5323 | I dont want lenny, etch is more stable |
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| 18:32.47 | firebird619 | Could someone help me? I am trying to convert a slideshow that is in wmv to mpg. I tried ffmpeg, but for some reason that removed my title, transitions, etc. I then tried mencoder and just now tovid. With both mencoder and tovid, the slideshow plays extremely fast, instead of the 7 seconds per slide I set it to be. How can I resolve this issue? Does it have to do with specifying an fps? |
| 18:32.54 | JyZyXEL | etch is mainly for servers |
| 18:33.03 | stew | JyZyXEL: that's not true |
| 18:33.05 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: don't say things that are untrue |
| 18:33.06 | JyZyXEL | its not really that handy for a compiz fusion desktops |
| 18:33.09 | viper5323 | how do I fix the fonts in iceweasal? |
| 18:33.23 | miksuh | JyZyXEL: :P I have always used stable on desktop |
| 18:33.36 | stew | viper5323: the fonts in the menus and toolbars or the fonts being used to render html? |
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| 18:33.39 | JyZyXEL | i once did and never again |
| 18:33.45 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: good for you .. be quiet |
| 18:33.49 | miksuh | JyZyXEL: Etch is wery goog on desktop |
| 18:33.51 | viper5323 | the ones being used to render html |
| 18:34.03 | JyZyXEL | miksuh it really depensd what you do |
| 18:34.04 | miksuh | good |
| 18:34.14 | stew | viper5323: edit -> preferences -> content |
| 18:34.24 | miksuh | JyZyXEL: Well I use it for everything I do |
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| 18:34.42 | viper5323 | no, I want the default fonts to look better |
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| 18:35.01 | miksuh | JyZyXEL: from surfing in the net to, playing games and developing software (linux, j2me ) etc |
| 18:35.04 | JyZyXEL | well for someone who wants newest gadgets its not a really good choice |
| 18:35.19 | stew | viper5323: you can change the fonts being used to render pages by going to preferences in the edit menu, then clicking on the content tab |
| 18:35.39 | miksuh | JyZyXEL: I don't understand why you want latest software version, those usually are also most buggy |
| 18:35.57 | miksuh | I want system which just works |
| 18:36.00 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: drop it already |
| 18:36.00 | stew | JyZyXEL: for someone that doesn't know what they are doing and has trouble following directions, testing is a worse choice |
| 18:36.23 | viper5323 | ok, now windows on my desktop are not closing, interesting |
| 18:36.55 | JyZyXEL | but lenny is so awesome! |
| 18:36.56 | Gruelius | hey guys, my etch has 2.6.18-k7 and i understand there is a new kernel for etch? (i still dont understand debian release patterns!). Anyway when i update/upgrade with apt it tells me linux-image-2.6-k7 has been held back, how do i upgrade to the newst kernel (need driver support) |
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| 18:37.13 | Gruelius | or is the latest kernel for etch still 2.6.18-k7 lol |
| 18:37.18 | viper5323 | OMG, Linux Mint was like 100 times better than this POS, nothing works right, Nvidia drivers didnt install for 8 hours, no sound, |
| 18:37.32 | stew | Gruelius: "aptitude install linux-image-2.6-k7" |
| 18:37.41 | jpinx | Gruelius: etchnhalf |
| 18:37.50 | JyZyXEL | 2.6.18-5-k7 |
| 18:38.02 | stew | JyZyXEL: no |
| 18:38.16 | viper5323 | and now windows are freezinf |
| 18:38.18 | JyZyXEL | thats what i have! |
| 18:38.20 | viper5323 | freezing |
| 18:38.24 | viper5323 | that's just dandy |
| 18:38.31 | Gruelius | jpinx: ah so etch etch still runs 2.6.18-5? |
| 18:38.31 | JyZyXEL | any newer? |
| 18:38.47 | jpinx | 2.6.24 |
| 18:38.54 | stew | Gruelius: bah, no, linux-image-2.6-k7 is not the right package; no etch is 2.6.18-6 or 2.6.24-something; /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 18:39.21 | Gruelius | how do i get it to go back on track and keep on updating to latest stable packages lol |
| 18:39.34 | jpinx | !tell Gruelius about etchnhalf |
| 18:39.36 | Gruelius | its holding back openssh aswell but i dont really care much about that only ssh traffic is local |
| 18:39.38 | stew | JyZyXEL: 2.6.18-5 was replaced by 2.6.18-6 a long time ago, and now there is a 2.6.24 in stable |
| 18:40.04 | Gruelius | is 2.6.24 etchandahalf or just etch? |
| 18:40.08 | stew | Gruelius: /msg dpkg kept back ; /msg dpkg dsa1572 ; /msg dpkg security |
| 18:40.11 | JyZyXEL | i guess i should do somethin |
| 18:40.17 | macrohard | ther is direct package for gyachi ? |
| 18:40.18 | Gruelius | kk |
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| 18:40.26 | asg | macrohard: /msg dpkg search |
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| 18:40.56 | viper5323 | no offense, but Mint and Ubuntu are like 100 times better than this Debian (configure every little thing to get it to work right) POS |
| 18:41.09 | JyZyXEL | !POS |
| 18:41.09 | zinx | viper5323: so use those |
| 18:41.09 | dpkg | methinks pos is defined as Piece Of Shit. or Point of Sale |
| 18:41.14 | stew | Gruelius: etchnhalf is not really different from etch, its just that its the first time that debian made put a bunch of new packages into stable to address new hardware |
| 18:41.15 | asg | viper5323: then go use them |
| 18:41.25 | stew | viper5323: please keep it on-topic |
| 18:41.45 | jfm3 | How is that "no offense"? |
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| 18:41.46 | viper5323 | why do you guys even bother with this headache of a distro? |
| 18:41.58 | palmer_ | hi everybody |
| 18:41.59 | asg | viper5323: because we don't have these problems |
| 18:42.04 | Gruelius | stew: thanks, im just thinking of geting a sil based 4 port sata card, hoping i wont have to muck around with new kernels too much for it to work |
| 18:42.15 | viper5323 | yeah right, I am sure everything is dandy |
| 18:42.16 | zinx | viper5323: because everyone is different, use what you want to use, don't berade us for using what we want to use |
| 18:42.23 | JyZyXEL | just smooth awesome debian experiences |
| 18:42.31 | asg | viper5323: yes, that is indeed the case and has been since slink |
| 18:42.34 | zinx | s/ade /ate / |
| 18:42.44 | Gruelius | How am i supposed to go about updating my server, atm i just do apt-get update; apt-get upgrade . Is there a better process to do it (so i dont end up with held back packages again) |
| 18:42.56 | viper5323 | How can everything single thing about Debian be worse than Mint only on my system? I don't believe it |
| 18:42.56 | palmer_ | how do i fix this ? wget failed to download http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz |
| 18:43.01 | un | viper5323: ur gonna get sniped outta here if you don't start respecting debian pretty quick... the internet would be 1/1000th it's size if it weren't for debian |
| 18:43.26 | un | viper5323: there would be no ubuntu, mint, or pcos if not for debian |
| 18:43.34 | abrotman | viper5323: no one is forcing you to use debian |
| 18:43.40 | cahoot | interesting curve from maximal enthusiasm to total dispair in 12 hours Viper1432 |
| 18:44.03 | viper5323 | I understand that, but they are 100 times more refined and "just work perfectly" unlike Debian |
| 18:44.05 | JyZyXEL | haha =D |
| 18:44.06 | asg | cahoot: should gnuplot it |
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| 18:44.07 | cahoot | sorry wrong snake |
| 18:44.09 | jpinx | viper5323: if you don't like it - don't use it and don't clutter up this IRC |
| 18:44.30 | abrotman | viper5323: then go use them .. thousands of people are able to install debian .. if it's not for you, don't force it on yourself |
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| 18:45.01 | viper5323 | installing is one thing, having everything work really well and look nice is another |
| 18:45.02 | un | viper5323: ubuntu and mint only 'work perfectly' on ubuntu and mint computers... corporate desktops... debian 'works perfectly' on my computer :) |
| 18:45.02 | stew | viper5323: stop. if you have a support related question, just ask it. otherwise please drop it |
| 18:45.15 | stew | un: please drop it |
| 18:45.22 | un | stew: im done |
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| 18:46.22 | Gruelius | ive tried ubuntu desktop went back to windows + osx. I liked debian server much better than ubuntu server tho. |
| 18:46.29 | stew | Gruelius: please keep it on-topic |
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| 18:47.12 | viper5323 | Anyways, I am done with this distro, my CD-R will make a nice coaster......bye |
| 18:47.16 | JyZyXEL | !customer |
| 18:47.16 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 18:47.22 | danners | what means FTBS in debian bugs? |
| 18:47.28 | Eulex | !ftbfs |
| 18:47.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, ftbfs is "fails to build from source" |
| 18:47.29 | abrotman | failure to build from source |
| 18:47.45 | danners | abrotman: eulex: thanks |
| 18:47.50 | un | could some bored autotools familiar person, for the love of FOSS, take a look at http://pastebin.com/d1abceca4 and tell me why i get 313: http://pastebin.com/d12416567 :: it's a Makefile.am and Makefile.in... the .am is making a wierd rule on 313 in the .in... |
| 18:47.51 | JyZyXEL | stew see how fast i was! |
| 18:47.58 | un | or someone please give me a link or channel pointer... i've been in man auto* and autobook all day, watch it be something stupid... |
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| 18:48.53 | Gruelius | Are there any example cron jobs i could use to auto update with apt? or should i just do it manually |
| 18:49.04 | asg | Gruelius: install the cron-apt package |
| 18:49.12 | Gruelius | asg: thanks |
| 18:49.23 | abrotman | Gruelius: that's very dangeros |
| 18:49.30 | stew | update is not dangerous, upgrade is |
| 18:49.32 | asg | Gruelius: it's suggested that you use that to auto-download only since installation automatically can cause issues. |
| 18:50.20 | Gruelius | ah yes that makes sense, ill man asg soon but does it have a email function? |
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| 18:50.30 | Gruelius | ah ignore that ill look it up myself |
| 18:50.49 | stew | Gruelius: i'd recommend subscribing to the daebian-announce and debian-security-announce mailing lists. when these new packages are released they would have upgrade instructions going to those lists |
| 18:51.03 | stew | *debian-announce |
| 18:51.03 | Gruelius | stew:That makes alot more sense |
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| 18:51.57 | Gruelius | I keep on getting logcheck messages about "mountd[4785]: export request from 192.168.0.21 failed" Is anyone familliar enough with logcheck to help me stop it? |
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| 18:52.30 | stew | istr /etc/logcheck/ignore.d ? |
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| 18:54.02 | Gruelius | stew: I guess i could do that :) thanks |
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| 18:55.08 | christoz | can anyone tell me what is the need of postinst script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/? |
| 18:55.36 | karlpinc | Any suggestions on where to rtfm about preventing apt from caching .debs in /var? I still can't figure out how to do it, and the /etc/apt/apt.conf docs are not helpful. |
| 18:56.41 | karlpinc | christoz : Anything dpkg might need to do after installing. But that's my guess, I've not got packaging entirely figured out. |
| 18:56.42 | christoz | !postinst |
| 18:56.49 | abrotman | karlpinc: there's an option for cache size |
| 18:57.10 | abrotman | christoz: when packages are installed, those are scripts for post installations tasks |
| 18:57.15 | jimcooncat | I want to package a custom configuration, for example, openssh-server. I just want to have my custom /etc/ssh/sshd_config and a postinst to reload the running sshd. Should openssh-server be a depends of my new package, or pre-depends? |
| 18:57.42 | \amethyst | abrotman: that's a different cache, I think |
| 18:57.43 | karlpinc | abrotman : I can't tell if that controls overall cache size, or what. Problem is, I've a small var and probably want a cache size of 0, but would apt work? |
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| 18:58.11 | \amethyst | karlpinc: man apt.conf says " Generation of caches can be turned off by setting their names to be blank" |
| 18:58.16 | karlpinc | apt does not work if I get rid of the cache dir with Dir::Cache::archive set to "". |
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| 18:58.50 | \amethyst | oh, hm |
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| 18:59.04 | JyZyXEL | on etch "apt-get install linux-image-2.6-k7" offers me "linux-image-2.6.18-6-k7" |
| 18:59.13 | abrotman | karlpinc: look in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz |
| 18:59.22 | karlpinc | \amethyst : I tried various permutations of setting things to "" and "aptitude clean" always would up deleteing lots from /var anyway. |
| 18:59.32 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: so what? |
| 18:59.49 | JyZyXEL | do i want it? |
| 19:00.30 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: if you want something newer there's linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf |
| 19:00.30 | stew | JyZyXEL: yes, it replaces 2.6.18-5 to fix security bugs |
| 19:00.32 | abrotman | karlpinc: i see a "Cache-Limit" ? |
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| 19:00.50 | abrotman | oh .. wrong thing |
| 19:01.01 | abrotman | i saw it somewhere .. |
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| 19:02.16 | JyZyXEL | \amethyst whats that o.o |
| 19:02.59 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: it's 2.6.24, if 2.6.18 isn't new enough for your hardware |
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| 19:03.17 | scgtrp | what's the easiest way to move a file from one debian box to another? |
| 19:03.23 | JyZyXEL | ohh ok |
| 19:03.24 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: if 2.6.18 is fine, then updating to linux-image-2.6-k7 (and the update to -6 that it implies) would be fine |
| 19:03.36 | asg | scgtrp: scp |
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| 19:05.08 | abrotman | good thing he was recommending lenny to everyone |
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| 19:06.16 | jpinx | scgtrp: rsync |
| 19:06.33 | scgtrp | scp requires setting up a ssh server, i assume. does rsync need a daemon? |
| 19:07.01 | unfo | hi all. Thanks to help from stew a few hours ago, I was able to figure out the cause of my problem in only 10 minutes of troubleshooting. The problem affects users of mixed etch/lenny systems. The problem is that udev 0.125-6 installs a script into /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks which assumes the presence of initramfs-tools 0.88 or newer. With an older initramfs-tools, mkinitramfs copies udevd(8) to the wrong p |
| 19:07.11 | unfo | was my post clipped in the middle there? |
| 19:07.28 | Bogus8 | i'm having problems getting a network card (dlink DFE 530 tx+) to grab an IP address in etchy |
| 19:07.44 | danners | unfo: yes |
| 19:07.45 | asg | scgtrp: yes it does require setting up a server. If that's too much, then sneaker net the data or use netcat |
| 19:07.49 | Bogus8 | the 8139too driver is loaded but no dhcp and nothing if I assign static |
| 19:07.57 | unfo | danners: in what word? |
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| 19:08.07 | danners | unfo: the wrong p... |
| 19:08.34 | unfo | ...the wrong place in your initrd, so Debian fails to start. 1. Is it worth it for me to file a bug? 2. udev doesn't require or recommend initramfs-tools. So what package could I file a bug against? |
| 19:08.50 | Bogus8 | I used a live ubuntu cd and the NIC worked just fine :( |
| 19:08.59 | Bogus8 | same driver got loaded and all |
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| 19:10.38 | firebird619 | Why is it that when I use mencoder or Tovid to convert a wmv to mpg, does the resulting mpg play extremely fast? It is a slideshow that I am trying to convert and the mpg that is created plays really fast instead of at the 7 seconds per slide that I set. What can I do to fix this issue so it plays normally? |
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| 19:10.48 | deadcat_ | i mounted remote:/home to /nfs/home so users on the local machine can access their home dir on /nfs/home/`whoami` but i get permission denied when i ls in there. what option do i need? that it seems newly added to nfs4? maybe |
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| 19:12.04 | \amethyst | deadcat_: uids and gids have to be the same |
| 19:12.13 | deadcat_ | \amethyst: they are |
| 19:12.33 | deadcat_ | \amethyst: let me paste my exports line |
| 19:12.55 | \amethyst | deadcat_: do the permissions on /nfs/home/foo look right? |
| 19:13.01 | \amethyst | deadcat_: also, is /nfs executable ? |
| 19:13.41 | deadcat_ | \amethyst: /home 192.168.1.2(rw,sync,no_root_squash,subtree_check) |
| 19:14.19 | \amethyst | deadcat_: do the ownership and permissions of the home directories look right on the client? |
| 19:14.27 | deadcat_ | \amethyst: ya.. but the weird thing is that even root cant ls onto those dirs |
| 19:14.29 | etch-lenny | ive just finished with an upgrade from etch to lenny. It has gone very badly. I a bunch of errors at the bootup and it fails to load. I have been able to use my old linux from the lilo boot menu. However this doesnt work correcly. It doesnt recgonise my mouse or touchpad. The keyboard seems to work. How do I get the mouse to work ? |
| 19:14.38 | deadcat_ | \amethyst: yes. they look normal |
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| 19:15.04 | deadcat_ | \amethyst: drwx--x--x 27 deadcat staff 4096 Sep 8 12:00 deadcat/ |
| 19:15.28 | stencoremoi | What's the most famous linux game web site please? |
| 19:15.35 | Phlogi | how can I remount my ro mounted fs? |
| 19:15.46 | Phlogi | it was remounted ro because of errors |
| 19:16.05 | Phlogi | ah works now:) |
| 19:16.06 | asg | Phlogi: fsck it first then mount -o remount,rw /file/system |
| 19:16.13 | deadcat_ | Phlogi: -o remount rw |
| 19:16.23 | \amethyst | deadcat_: does ln -nd /nfs/home/deadcat show it as having the same numeric UID as id -u deadcat |
| 19:16.27 | \amethyst | ? |
| 19:16.37 | abrotman | stencoremoi: happypenguin.com |
| 19:16.38 | \amethyst | deadcat_: (just to verify you don't have two users named 'deadcat') |
| 19:16.44 | stencoremoi | abrotman thanks |
| 19:16.47 | Phlogi | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! hmm still |
| 19:16.47 | unfo | stencoremoi: do you want to find ratings of open source games for linux? if so, what kind? FPS? strategy? what? or do you want commercial games? |
| 19:17.07 | deadcat_ | \amethyst: ln: creating hard link `./deadcat' => `/mnt/medusa/home/deadcat': Invalid cross-device link |
| 19:17.14 | Run | Is there an application to make a 'screen shot' of a single window real easy? |
| 19:17.24 | \amethyst | deadcat_: ooops... ls -nd not ln |
| 19:17.57 | deadcat_ | \amethyst: ya. uid is 1000 and gid is 50 |
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| 19:18.19 | scgtrp | how do i set up my system so a normal user can mount/unmount any volumes? |
| 19:18.21 | unfo | stencoremoi: or do you want to run Windows games on wine / virtualbox / crossover? |
| 19:18.35 | asg | Run: gimp, xwd in xbase-clients |
| 19:18.40 | \amethyst | deadcat_: how are you mounting it? |
| 19:18.46 | deadcat_ | \amethyst: fstab |
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| 19:19.03 | Bogus8 | need some help getting a NIC up and running in Etchy... it's a dlink dfe-530 tx+ (which is the 8139 chipset), the driver loads but I don't get an address (via dhcp) or it doesn't do anything if I assign it static. I ran a live Ubuntu CD and the NIC fired up just fine. Any help? |
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| 19:19.13 | \amethyst | deadcat_: I mean, what are the options etc |
| 19:19.32 | deadcat_ | \amethyst: medusa:/home /mnt/medusa/home nfs defaults,soft,intr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 |
| 19:19.58 | \amethyst | Bogus8: try using the rhine driver instead |
| 19:20.39 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: from what I've read the tx+ should be using the 8139too driver like it is... I'm willing to try anything though |
| 19:20.46 | \amethyst | Bogus8: oh, tx+ |
| 19:20.47 | deadcat_ | Run: i use xwd -frame | convert - blah.png |
| 19:20.51 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: it used the 8139too driver when ubuntu did it |
| 19:20.52 | Run | http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/defended.png |
| 19:20.54 | Run | got it : |
| 19:20.56 | Run | :) |
| 19:21.01 | Run | thanks |
| 19:21.02 | \amethyst | Bogus8: sorry, I had a DFE-530 TX at one point, but not a TX+ |
| 19:21.14 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: no prob... appreciate the effort |
| 19:21.25 | unfo | hi all. Thanks to help from stew a few hours ago, I was able to figure out the cause of my problem in only 10 minutes of troubleshooting. The problem affects users of mixed etch/lenny systems. The problem is that udev 0.125-6 installs a script into /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks which assumes the presence of initramfs-tools 0.88 or newer. With an older initramfs-tools, mkinitramfs copies udevd(8) to the wrong p |
| 19:21.31 | unfo | 1. Is it worth it for me to file a bug? 2. udev doesn't require or recommend initramfs-tools. So what package could I file a bug against? |
| 19:21.36 | \amethyst | deadcat_: err, that says /mnt/medusa/home not /nfs/home |
| 19:21.48 | unfo | s/the wrong p/the wrong place in your initrd, so Debian fails to start. |
| 19:21.50 | asg | unfo: no since mixed systems are not supported or guaranteed to work at all. |
| 19:21.58 | Bogus8 | I normally run static on this box.. the mobo NIC started dropping a lot of packets so I slapped this one in and disabled the MOBO one, not sure why it's not working |
| 19:22.07 | unfo | asg: ok thank you. |
| 19:22.10 | deadcat_ | \amethyst: the /nfs/home was example |
| 19:22.28 | \amethyst | deadcat_: are the permissions on /mnt/medusa and /mnt okay? |
| 19:22.31 | zamba | will entries in rc.local be automatically backgrounded, or do i have to do it myself? |
| 19:22.34 | stencoremoi | is there a linux game similar to battlefield? |
| 19:22.50 | \amethyst | zamba: you have to do it yourself (unless the program self-backgrounds like many daemons do) |
| 19:22.54 | maligor | stencoremoi, etqw? |
| 19:22.55 | stew | unfo: i'd recommend file it against initramfs-tools, if they think that its really a udev bug, they'll reassign it. if they think it shouldn't have been filed at all, they'll close it |
| 19:22.56 | zamba | \amethyst: ok |
| 19:23.00 | deadcat_ | \amethyst: ya. i can get into /mnt/medusa/home/deadcat, but i cant ls in there |
| 19:23.09 | rm_ | Bogus8, if the second nic fails to work, maybe you have a cable or other connection end problem? |
| 19:23.23 | zamba | \amethyst: i guess i have to redirect stdout/stderr as well? |
| 19:23.38 | deadcat_ | \amethyst: this is very strange. |
| 19:23.39 | dudeman | finally |
| 19:23.44 | Bogus8 | rm_: it works fine with a live cd... and I've swapped out the cable 3 times at first to MAKE SURE it was the NIC |
| 19:23.46 | dudeman | the cat which is dead has a tail |
| 19:23.54 | dudeman | and I am back on debian |
| 19:24.00 | Bogus8 | rm_: mobo NIC also fails on ubuntu but the dlink NIC works just fine |
| 19:24.10 | dudeman | my backspace works just like it should, and my resolution is good, minimal X desktop, no compiz no bullshit |
| 19:24.33 | \amethyst | deadcat_: you could try running mountd with debugging on the server (rpc.mountd -d all) and look in the logs |
| 19:24.45 | dudeman | I feel so lean and clean, just that aptitude recommends is pissing me off I should turn off that crap I hate it I dunno why you guys made aptitude default to downloading/installing recommended/sugested packages too |
| 19:24.51 | dudeman | seems like a moronic idea to me :( |
| 19:25.08 | deadcat_ | \amethyst: put taht in the init script? |
| 19:25.13 | \amethyst | deadcat_: I think that would go /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server |
| 19:25.19 | deadcat_ | k |
| 19:25.21 | dudeman | deadcat_, oy |
| 19:25.22 | stew | dudeman: by definition, you should expect Recommends to get installed when you install a package |
| 19:25.23 | \amethyst | deadcat_: RPCMOUNTDOPTS='-d all' or something |
| 19:25.38 | dudeman | stew, really.. I think otherwise though |
| 19:25.57 | stew | dudeman: "The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations" |
| 19:25.59 | dudeman | stew, of course it seems like a great idea that people should automatically get what is recommended for obvious reasons |
| 19:26.26 | dudeman | but in a lot of cases for a lot of minimalist people this default behaviour is a bit of a pain |
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| 19:26.36 | firebird619 | Is there an option for mencoder so that the output doesn't lose quality? I just used mencoder to convert a file and the output is more pixelated then I would like it to be. |
| 19:26.38 | dudeman | its not hard to turn off or change, but just saying.. talking.. u know |
| 19:26.53 | stew | dudeman: if its not hard to turn off, then why is it a pain? |
| 19:27.02 | dudeman | uhm.. cuz it is |
| 19:27.31 | dudeman | like I have to go now type some stuff to turn it off |
| 19:27.50 | Appiah | I'd like to start one X applications without decorations (borderless) , can I type something in the terminal to do this? |
| 19:28.10 | stew | dudeman: if you think you have found a situation where it would not be unusual to not want some recommended pacakge, file a wishlist bug asking the dependency to downgraded to Suggests: |
| 19:28.21 | dudeman | ahh |
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| 19:28.36 | dudeman | thats a good idea, there are a lot of kde/gnome crapola that gets in the system is what is bugging me |
| 19:28.42 | dudeman | ok i'll look into that |
| 19:29.24 | dudeman | does iceweasel have known bugs in lenny, it won't start for me... |
| 19:29.32 | stew | dudeman: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:29.51 | dudeman | nah nm |
| 19:29.57 | dudeman | had to delete old 2.0 config files |
| 19:31.05 | deadcat_ | \amethyst: nothing |
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| 19:31.26 | infinity0 | any news on the lenny release? |
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| 19:31.58 | infinity0 | (nothing happened) |
| 19:32.06 | danners | bot dead... |
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| 19:32.13 | Bogus8 | when I run ifup -a it says "unknown interface eth0=eth0" |
| 19:32.15 | \amethyst | deadcat_: I'm stumped then :( |
| 19:32.20 | deadcat_ | thanks |
| 19:32.26 | \amethyst | deadcat_: you do have the right IP address, right? |
| 19:32.30 | stew | infinity0: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 19:32.33 | deadcat_ | \amethyst: ya. |
| 19:32.36 | infinity0 | ahh ty :) |
| 19:32.54 | Bogus8 | I have /etc/network/interfaces set up with auto eth0 |
| 19:33.13 | stew | Bogus8: does "ifconfig -a" list eth0? |
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| 19:33.26 | deadcat_ | \amethyst: it was working fine.... the desktop was up for 52 days. the server was on and off because the hdd was too hot.. but then 2 days ago power went out. i had to restart the desktop |
| 19:33.51 | \amethyst | deadcat_: which came up most recently, the server or the client? |
| 19:33.53 | Bogus8 | stew: didn't know about the -a on ifconfig... I have eth1 (going correct now and see) |
| 19:33.56 | deadcat_ | \amethyst: so i am guessing some updates happened the last 52 days that i dont know about |
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| 19:34.22 | deadcat_ | \amethyst: you mean which boot up first? |
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| 19:34.45 | \amethyst | deadcat_: oh, they both lost power at the same time? |
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| 19:34.46 | Bogus8 | stew: but now it's saying ignoring eth1 :( |
| 19:34.51 | deadcat_ | \amethyst: a |
| 19:34.53 | deadcat_ | ya |
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| 19:35.10 | stew | Bogus8: show us your /etc/network/interfaces ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:35.25 | dudeman | stew, its been a while I can't recall exactly |
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| 19:35.38 | Bogus8 | stew: I removed all but "auto eth1" (and the loopback) |
| 19:35.42 | dudeman | $>cat /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 19:35.42 | dudeman | Apt::Install-Recommends false |
| 19:35.53 | dudeman | E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf:2: Extra junk at end of file |
| 19:36.05 | dudeman | what did I miss? quotes? or somethin else? |
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| 19:36.52 | dudeman | nm |
| 19:37.46 | Bogus8 | stew: I can't exactly copy paste to pastebin since I have no network to get access to the config files ;) |
| 19:37.51 | Bogus8 | but they are very basic |
| 19:38.59 | Bogus8 | stew: I originally tried to use http://kszk.sch.bme.hu/net/dhcp/settingsenlin.php when I changed it to dhcp |
| 19:39.03 | stew | Bogus8: you need to add a stanza to say how exactly eth1 should be brought up, like should it use dhcp? should it get a static address? |
| 19:39.04 | dudeman | Apt::Install-Recommends {false}; |
| 19:39.09 | dudeman | donkey poo! |
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| 19:39.43 | dudeman | man apt.conf is the shiznat boyyyeee man its been too long on windows man.. im forgetting debian shit ugh |
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| 19:40.23 | Bogus8 | stew: Ok, I got dhcp working but I need static... I'll grab my config from home as I'm sure it's the same as I had (I'll confirm) |
| 19:40.38 | stew | Bogus8: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
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| 19:43.27 | Bogus8 | stew: I think it was the eth1 vs eth0 that was messing me up when I was running "static"... I'm rebooting to find out... for some reason /etc/init.d/networking restart wasn't giving me my new IP |
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| 19:44.23 | Bogus8 | stew: looks like I got it... thanks for your patience and thanks for that -a switch for ifconfig ;) |
| 19:44.48 | stew | cool :) |
| 19:45.35 | Bogus8 | stew: yep, their server is now back up and running... not sure they are very pleased about that since now they have to go back to work :) |
| 19:45.42 | Bogus8 | stew: I owe you a cold one ;) |
| 19:46.33 | stew | if only i had a way to collect all the beers i've been promised via irc... |
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| 19:47.03 | Bogus8 | stew: I hear ya man |
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| 19:47.14 | Bogus8 | you could open up your own pub |
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| 19:49.15 | jpinx | opens an IRC bar |
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| 19:55.09 | dudeman | heh |
| 19:55.21 | dudeman | you'd probably have a lifetime supply |
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| 20:01.17 | firebird619 | Could someone help me? When I try to open a video in VLC, it doesn't show the video. I googled around a bit and found to suggestion to change the Video output module, etc. but that did not solve the problem. What else could I try to fix this issue? |
| 20:01.46 | abrotman | streuner_: what's your 20? |
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| 20:03.25 | ham5 | firebird619, got sound tho? |
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| 20:05.38 | firebird619 | ham5: I think I figured it out partially. It is a wmv file I tried to play and the Messages in VLC say no suitable decoder and VLC probably does not support this sound or video format. However, I tried playing an mpg file, it does the same as far as playing with no video, but the sound works. |
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| 20:06.03 | firebird619 | ham5: but with the mpg, there are no errors in Messages. |
| 20:06.04 | ham5 | firebird619, yea id say its a codec |
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| 20:07.19 | Heavy-D | If i'm looking to put Debian on a new IBM Blade is there any reason why I would choose not to go with the AMD64 release and opt for the i386 release instead? |
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| 20:07.31 | firebird619 | ham5: The main thing I am trying to do is convert the wmv to mpg. I accomplished that with mencoder, but the quality decreased quite a bit and the video (slideshow). Is there anyway you know of to convert the file and maintain quality. I also tried ffmpeg, but for whatever reason, that removed my title and transitions. |
| 20:07.49 | Kovensky | firebird619: #mplayer |
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| 20:08.26 | abchirk | default port ssh is 22 or? |
| 20:08.26 | firebird619 | ham5: what do I need to do to get vlc to play those files, why doesn't it show the video output? |
| 20:08.32 | Heavy-D | abchirk: yes, 22 |
| 20:08.37 | Heavy-D | *tcp 22 |
| 20:08.43 | firebird619 | Kovensky: Thanks. I will check there. |
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| 20:09.27 | abchirk | If I want to access my py behind a router from the internet, I have to fill out external port and internal port.. Do I have to fill in 22 in both? |
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| 20:09.35 | Lagbolt | firebird619, are you using debian multimedia source? there is a problem with vlc. someone was in here before with same problem |
| 20:09.39 | ham5 | firebird619, not sure about converting, and im not sure what codec youd need either, in windows there is a program called gspot that will tell you, im not sure if there is an equivelant for linux |
| 20:09.51 | abchirk | py=pc, sry. |
| 20:10.01 | Heavy-D | abchirk: Generally both will be the same, in my experiences. |
| 20:10.08 | abchirk | ok thx |
| 20:10.17 | firebird619 | Lagbolt: Yes, I am. |
| 20:10.56 | firebird619 | ham5: Ok, Thank you for your help. |
| 20:11.10 | Lagbolt | firebird619, i havent figured out the exact problem but if i removed debian multi and installed ffmpeg, vlc and codecs with lenny sources no probs. using debmulti there is an issue |
| 20:11.28 | Lagbolt | firebird619, i dont use vlc much so i just checked it out. everything works fine for me in mplayer with deb multi |
| 20:12.15 | Lagbolt | firebird619, http://www.zeitoun.net/articles/vlc-conflict-debian-lenny-and-debian-multimedia/start <-- maybe this |
| 20:12.18 | firebird619 | Lagbolt: Ok, I will maybe have to do that as well. Thank you. Usually I use mplayer, but I was going to try and convert the file with VLC, beings mencoder worked, but decreased the quality quite a bit. |
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| 20:13.04 | firebird619 | Lagbolt: Ok, I will check that link. Thank you. |
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| 20:18.24 | tghy | My debian is not workign. I said it for begin |
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| 20:19.02 | tghy | Why our troubles is in SIMPLE using Linux so DIFFERENT? |
| 20:19.23 | tghy | I just want join my user using X server! |
| 20:19.25 | stew | tghy: can you be more specific about exactly what you are having problems with? |
| 20:19.32 | tghy | Of course |
| 20:19.41 | stew | tghy: what do you mean by "join my user" ? |
| 20:19.58 | tghy | Login to my user |
| 20:20.32 | stew | tghy: what happens when you try to login? |
| 20:21.03 | peppe | "using X server"? do you mean a graphical login with a display manager? |
| 20:21.15 | tghy | First stupid trouble: i have installed Debian Lenny. A have installed console-cyrillic package for use my own language text. |
| 20:21.23 | tghy | peppe: yes |
| 20:21.47 | peppe | tghy: then (surprise, surprise!) you need to install and configure both X and a display manager |
| 20:22.00 | tghy | Trouble: I HAVE TO SEE worng symbols! |
| 20:22.28 | stew | tghy: why can't you login? do you get an error? |
| 20:22.31 | Amarande | bah, now to remember exactly what the proper way was to pull a source from sid |
| 20:22.41 | peppe | Amarande: apt-get source? |
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| 20:22.51 | jawbrkr | does anybody use tora with oracle? |
| 20:23.26 | tghy | Im in console shell have to see bad simbols! Im using russian texts and i need cosole-cyrillic. |
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| 20:23.40 | tghy | I dpkg-configured that and nothing happen! |
| 20:24.11 | stew | tghy: you aren't making much sense. perhaps you want to ask in #debian-russian |
| 20:24.37 | tghy | Avebeen banned from that channel for stupid questions :( |
| 20:25.16 | tghy | Okay. Ill ask it after. |
| 20:26.10 | tghy | Second trouble with: My GLX modula is falling as he want it |
| 20:26.26 | ZILP | my etch to lenny upgrade has gone severly wrong . I have a bunch of error messages during the boot process then it hangs. can you shed some light on my problem. Is my system recoverable http://paste.debian.net/16723/ |
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| 20:27.46 | tghy | If i want start up my Debian i may get Xorg with falled GLX module. Only Nvidia driver reinstall help me |
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| 20:28.40 | abrotman | jawbrkr: it's supposed to work fairly well .. not used it myself |
| 20:28.57 | stew | ZILP: what versions of initramfs-tools and udev are installed? |
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| 20:29.31 | jawbrkr | abrotman, ive been following instructions but im running into the same error http://pastebin.com/m135a2c01 |
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| 20:29.45 | jawbrkr | i dont know |
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| 20:29.56 | abrotman | jawbrkr: looking for the orcl client libraries it seems |
| 20:30.02 | jawbrkr | yea, i |
| 20:30.13 | jawbrkr | yea, i've modified my ld.so.conf and my /etc/profile with the library path |
| 20:30.15 | jawbrkr | but it still cant find it |
| 20:30.17 | ZILP | stew I have now idea . i guess the upgrade would have installed the latest |
| 20:30.20 | abrotman | did you logout/login ? |
| 20:30.38 | jawbrkr | yes |
| 20:31.11 | abrotman | is it in your /etc/ld.so.cache ? |
| 20:31.26 | jawbrkr | and in my /etc/profile |
| 20:31.30 | stew | ZILP: check which versions. if they are both really the up to date lenny versions, rebuild your initrd with "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version" where $version is the version of the kernel you are trying to boot |
| 20:32.21 | ZILP | stew i dont have command input. just a blinking _ |
| 20:32.35 | abrotman | jawbrkr: so they show up when you ldconfig -p ? |
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| 20:33.01 | stew | ZILP: if you have no working kernels, you'll have to boot a live cd or install cd or some such, mount your partitions and chroot |
| 20:33.15 | SimGuy | out of meaningless curiousity, what version number will be used for "lenny?" |
| 20:33.18 | abrotman | 5 |
| 20:33.29 | SimGuy | thanks |
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| 20:33.56 | ZILP | i have an etch business card image. will that work ? |
| 20:34.21 | ZILP | stew im able to boot into my "old linux " |
| 20:34.36 | stew | ZILP: what do you mean by "old linux"? |
| 20:35.02 | ZILP | at my lilo boot options . old linux and windows |
| 20:35.27 | ZILP | i can get to a desktop by booting into my old linux |
| 20:35.34 | jawbrkr | abrotman, ldconfig doesnt return anything |
| 20:35.38 | abrotman | -p ? |
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| 20:35.58 | abrotman | it's just a guess .. |
| 20:36.08 | abrotman | but ldconfig -p shows the cache on my system |
| 20:36.15 | stew | ZILP: then i'd recommend booting the 'old linux' and then running "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version" to rebuild the initrd of the 'new linux' |
| 20:36.25 | jawbrkr | yup they're there |
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| 20:36.38 | abrotman | i'd think that'd be all you need |
| 20:36.56 | abrotman | jawbrkr: echo $ORACLE_HOME ? |
| 20:37.09 | jawbrkr | right directory |
| 20:37.42 | abrotman | maybe ask #oracle .. sounds like everything is as it should be |
| 20:37.43 | ZILP | stew when you say $ version do you mean the 2. something |
| 20:37.56 | abrotman | jawbrkr: what does it say in the config.log ? |
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| 20:38.17 | stew | ZILP: the string should match the name of the directory in /lib/modules ; something like "2.6.26-1-686" |
| 20:38.34 | jawbrkr | abrotman, same error, and all the output from the ./configure |
| 20:38.45 | jawbrkr | dpkg-buildpackage actually |
| 20:38.48 | Amarande | rats, apparently I'm going to have to use fglrx |
| 20:39.10 | Amarande | blasted non-free software :S |
| 20:39.19 | abrotman | jawbrkr: did something go faulty in ./configure ? |
| 20:39.28 | jawbrkr | only that error |
| 20:39.31 | ZILP | stew ok ill try that |
| 20:39.50 | stew | ZILP: i'd recommend making sure that udev and initramfs-tools are both up to date |
| 20:39.52 | Amarande | jawbrkr, don't tell me you moved your ld-linux.so.2 |
| 20:39.57 | abrotman | jawbrkr: see if #oracle has an idea |
| 20:39.58 | jawbrkr | nope |
| 20:40.02 | Amarande | I did that once. :) |
| 20:40.12 | Amarande | Stuff Broke, to put it mildly LOL |
| 20:40.21 | jawbrkr | abrotman, i already posted the question in #oracle |
| 20:40.26 | jawbrkr | guys arent as active ;) |
| 20:40.31 | jawbrkr | i've been reading and googling all day long |
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| 20:40.53 | jawbrkr | i try to use irc as a last resort ;) |
| 20:41.12 | abrotman | jawbrkr: you could also try ##linux |
| 20:41.20 | ZILP | stew how can i check that from the old linux. ? |
| 20:41.22 | abrotman | or maybe even #sql if no one shoots you |
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| 20:42.49 | jawbrkr | abrotman: i think i'd be castrated if i was to post that question in #sql |
| 20:43.03 | abrotman | you never know .. it's mildly related .. |
| 20:43.11 | abrotman | yeah .. they'd probably shoot you |
| 20:43.22 | jawbrkr | thanks for the help though abrotman |
| 20:43.28 | stew | ZILP: yes, 'apt-cache policy udev initramfs-tools' |
| 20:43.54 | Dogfood | 'ey, I'm having a problem with installing the latest Debian ia64 to my Lenovo N200 laptop: when the bootup gets to where it should load the CD, the whole comp just freezes |
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| 20:44.11 | abrotman | Dogfood: your Lenovo system isn't ia64 |
| 20:44.15 | Amarande | Dogfood, try the 32-bit install CD? |
| 20:44.20 | Heavy-D | What do I have to do to enable SSI when isntalling Apache on Debian? is it turned on as a default option or do I have to enable a module? or which? |
| 20:44.23 | abrotman | Dogfood: either i386 or amd64 |
| 20:44.26 | amphi | Dogfood: or amd64 ;) |
| 20:44.35 | Amarande | I still haven't felt the need to use the amd64 distro, even though I have an Athlon X2 4200+ |
| 20:44.40 | Dogfood | T2390 processor says it's 64 |
| 20:44.44 | abrotman | Dogfood: either i386 or amd64 |
| 20:44.45 | Dogfood | and intel to boot |
| 20:44.46 | Amarande | I use the i386 distro and install the k7 kernel instead |
| 20:44.47 | abrotman | Dogfood: either i386 or amd64 |
| 20:44.48 | Heavy-D | ia64 is itanium |
| 20:44.50 | abrotman | Dogfood: either i386 or amd64 |
| 20:44.54 | abrotman | got it? |
| 20:44.56 | wols_ | !ia64 |
| 20:44.57 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64. |
| 20:45.01 | jawbrkr | one more time abrotman |
| 20:45.14 | Dogfood | well dang |
| 20:45.18 | Amarande | well, that's weird |
| 20:45.21 | Dogfood | that explains a lot |
| 20:45.24 | Amarande | that current intel processors are AMD64 :) |
| 20:45.25 | abrotman | Dogfood: did the guy at bestbuy lie to you? :) |
| 20:45.32 | dudeman | no |
| 20:45.35 | Amarande | it does seem like something that might trip people up easily |
| 20:45.36 | dudeman | they are not amd64 |
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| 20:45.47 | dudeman | they EM64T which is NOT the same thing as amd64 |
| 20:45.53 | wols_ | Amarande: older cpus from amd are i386 i for intel. so what? |
| 20:45.54 | abrotman | oh jeez .. not again |
| 20:45.56 | Amarande | dudeman: kernel-wise |
| 20:46.03 | zinx | dudeman: it is the same instruction set, with differences that only matter to OS implementers |
| 20:46.04 | dudeman | ok sure, kernel wise |
| 20:46.05 | dondelelcaro | dudeman: the core of the instruction set is the same |
| 20:46.08 | sdc | how can i not let a user see anything besides his ~ ? |
| 20:46.17 | Amarande | in any case, you're better off most of the time installing the 32-bit distros |
| 20:46.18 | wols_ | sdc: chroot him |
| 20:46.19 | dudeman | dondelelcaro, which one is it I forget, sse3? |
| 20:46.22 | sdc | get permission denied when he tries to cd .. |
| 20:46.26 | zinx | dudeman: like saying k7 isn't i686 :/ |
| 20:46.28 | Amarande | unless you really need 64-bit for some reason, like having more than 4GB of RAM |
| 20:46.32 | dudeman | zinx, well it isn't. |
| 20:46.39 | wols_ | Dogfood: how much RAM do you have? |
| 20:46.39 | dudeman | if it was it would be called i686 |
| 20:46.43 | dudeman | ;) |
| 20:46.46 | zinx | dudeman: it's close enough that saying it's different will only confuse people |
| 20:46.53 | Amarande | I have 2GB, so I stick with the k7 32-bit kernel |
| 20:46.54 | dudeman | you have a point |
| 20:46.58 | Amarande | especially since I plan to use games with wine |
| 20:47.06 | dudeman | Amarande, try Cedega yet? |
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| 20:47.13 | dondelelcaro | dudeman: it's part of the superset of i686 instruction set processors |
| 20:47.13 | ZILP | stew isnt doing the apt cahe command in my old linux going to give me results not from the new linux ? |
| 20:47.16 | Amarande | dudeman: yeah, about a year ago |
| 20:47.17 | Amarande | it was fail |
| 20:47.25 | Amarande | it worked worse than wine, ironically |
| 20:47.33 | dondelelcaro | (which is what we're talking about when we say i686, i386, amd64, etc.) |
| 20:47.39 | dudeman | the only thing it failed on was oblivion but it at least it ran it... just won't display right |
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| 20:47.43 | dudeman | dondelelcaro, okie dokie |
| 20:47.51 | Amarande | but apparently if you want to play games under wine, it's advisable to have a 32-bit kernel |
| 20:48.02 | dudeman | not really, I run diablo 2 on amd64 |
| 20:48.06 | zinx | dudeman: wine will run Oblivion, but only after you tweak a lot of stuff, and turn off most of the features, and it's still slow :P |
| 20:48.10 | Amarande | well, that's diablo 2 |
| 20:48.19 | Amarande | diablo 2 will run on a toaster if you can install windows or wine on said toaster :) |
| 20:48.22 | zinx | dudeman: you may also need to use an old version, i don't know if they've fixed the crashing bugs in the latest yet. |
| 20:48.32 | wols_ | dudeman: D2 runs on ages old wine :) |
| 20:48.34 | Amarande | actually I'm pretty sure you can run diablo 2 on a box of kleenex LOL |
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| 20:48.39 | Kovensky | Amarande: it won't run on my toaster :/ |
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| 20:48.47 | ham5 | got me a quad core toaster even |
| 20:48.50 | Heavy-D | :O I want to run it on a toaster |
| 20:48.52 | wols_ | Kovensky: cause it's a 50s toaster |
| 20:48.56 | stew | ZILP: 'old linux' is the same exact install just running a different kernel, the rest of the software is the same |
| 20:48.58 | Kovensky | Amarande: fail gpu is so fail it can't show glxgears |
| 20:49.00 | sdc | is there an easier way than chrooting? |
| 20:49.13 | Kovensky | Amarande: and wine uses gl even for ddraw for a long time now |
| 20:49.20 | sdc | i just dont want him to see the contents of / |
| 20:49.36 | dudeman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Differences_between_AMD64_and_Intel_64 |
| 20:49.36 | Amarande | on a more technical point |
| 20:49.37 | wols_ | sdc: then set the perms of / accordingly |
| 20:49.42 | dudeman | how accurate is this information? |
| 20:49.44 | Amarande | say I pull the wine 1.0 sources from sid, and build them against etch |
| 20:49.53 | dudeman | (because this is really all I have to read online I suppose) |
| 20:49.54 | sdc | wols_: i cant do that to the whole system |
| 20:50.04 | Amarande | anyone tried that, and if so, are there any issues that crop up with such wine that don't normally with wine 1.0? |
| 20:50.11 | Dogfood | wols_: 2gb |
| 20:50.18 | dudeman | apparantly there are a lot of difference between the two implementations of x64 |
| 20:50.42 | dudeman | though they are still compatible |
| 20:50.52 | Amarande | i.e., are the libraries in etch new enough to build wine 1.0? |
| 20:50.56 | Amarande | or will I need other libs from sid? |
| 20:51.04 | dudeman | just use lenny man |
| 20:51.15 | dudeman | its newer and stable too almost |
| 20:51.21 | Amarande | you mean lenny is almost release? |
| 20:51.26 | dudeman | didn't you hear its frozen, only a matter of time |
| 20:51.32 | dudeman | yeh give it a few more months |
| 20:51.36 | Amarande | btw, what's the name for the next testing release? :) |
| 20:51.38 | dudeman | hopefully by the end of this year |
| 20:51.52 | dudeman | Amarande, not decided yet afaik kbut i been out of the loop for a while |
| 20:51.53 | enouf | dudeman: there certainly is some ... especially if you compile usig Intel's compiler ;-) |
| 20:52.02 | dudeman | enouf, of course |
| 20:52.03 | ZILP | stew ok thanks. |
| 20:52.03 | stew | Amarande: squeeze |
| 20:52.16 | dudeman | oh named already eh |
| 20:52.19 | dudeman | !squeeze |
| 20:52.19 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the release to follow Lenny. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 20:52.26 | jlund | How long will etch continue to be supported after Lenny is released? |
| 20:52.44 | wols_ | Dogfood: with 2GB use, i386. better for you probably |
| 20:52.45 | stew | jlund: 1 year or until squeeze is released, whichever is shorter |
| 20:52.58 | enouf | jlund: usually, until 6 months or more after the next stable release |
| 20:53.15 | stew | enouf: 12 months |
| 20:53.15 | dudeman | uhm.. dude no consistency... |
| 20:53.20 | dudeman | some say 18 months |
| 20:53.22 | wols_ | stew: do you honestly believe it will be released in less than a year after lenny? :) |
| 20:53.22 | dudeman | some 12, some 6 |
| 20:53.24 | Amarande | squeeze ... who was that in toy story? |
| 20:53.26 | dudeman | make up your minds |
| 20:53.28 | stew | wols_: i do not |
| 20:53.29 | Amarande | or was that from TS2? I only saw the first one |
| 20:53.35 | enouf | stew: ok - thanks for clarifying |
| 20:53.40 | wols_ | dudeman: 12 |
| 20:53.43 | dudeman | ok |
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| 20:53.51 | dudeman | so it IS 12? ya'll aint gonna change now? |
| 20:54.08 | wols_ | dudeman: if you ask dpkg about sarge and other older it mentions it afaik |
| 20:54.09 | jlund | Hopefully it will be pretty simple to upgrade from etch to lenny. |
| 20:54.12 | dudeman | cuz i swear don told me last year i think during sarge/etch that it was 18 months |
| 20:54.23 | dudeman | hmm |
| 20:54.24 | Amarande | jlund: don't you just change the sources and do dist-upgrade? |
| 20:54.24 | wols_ | dudeman: didn't chnage for the last half dozen releases or so :) |
| 20:54.29 | dudeman | I musta been stoned :) |
| 20:54.31 | stew | http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan |
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| 20:54.50 | Dogfood | wols_: how much would havin only 2gb hurt it? I been thinking of upgrading it to 4 but not sure if it's really worth it |
| 20:54.52 | enouf | i thought Sarge was only supported for 6 months after Etch was released, but maybe (likely) that was extended at some point |
| 20:55.13 | Amarande | there's probably machines in some forgotten backwater that still run Bo ... heh |
| 20:55.24 | wols_ | Dogfood: usually it won't. most times you just have 2GB more disk cache. not that this is a bad thing but usually not needed. but then RAM is cheap |
| 20:55.31 | enouf | dudeman: i'm must be smoking the opposite of what you are O_o |
| 20:55.42 | Amarande | actually I think I still have bo discs around somewhere, if I didn't throw them out with the trash yet lol |
| 20:55.45 | wols_ | enouf: nah, always was 12 for several releases now |
| 20:55.45 | stew | enouf: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2008/msg00001.html |
| 20:55.56 | enouf | ok, thanks guys |
| 20:56.21 | dudeman | wor |
| 20:56.24 | dudeman | d |
| 20:56.26 | dudeman | fuck. |
| 20:56.31 | n3kl | Hey, so I got the nvidia driver installed on lenny, but the font size is huge. Any way to fix this? |
| 20:56.35 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.43 | dudeman | n3kl, which DE? |
| 20:56.45 | enouf | n3kl: haha ... |
| 20:56.50 | dudeman | n3kl, its a thing of DPI |
| 20:56.57 | wols_ | n3kl: fonts proper for your res? |
| 20:56.57 | enouf | !dpi |
| 20:56.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpi is your Dots Per Inch setting, which affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_milimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. |
| 20:57.05 | n3kl | kde |
| 20:57.06 | dudeman | n3kl, either specify a -dpi (which you shouldn't) or use DisplaySize .... |
| 20:57.07 | dudeman | nm |
| 20:57.21 | wols_ | n3kl: what res do you run? |
| 20:57.36 | dudeman | enouf, go away. |
| 20:57.41 | enouf | dudeman: so where/how to pass CFLAGS args to mplayer during compile? |
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| 20:57.48 | enouf | dudeman: no wai :-p |
| 20:57.51 | dudeman | enouf, are you serious? |
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| 20:57.55 | dudeman | heh |
| 20:57.56 | enouf | dead |
| 20:57.56 | wols_ | enouf: export CFLAGS=foo |
| 20:58.02 | dudeman | I shoudl smak you for that |
| 20:58.11 | dudeman | thats like trivial chilrends play considering how long y'uve been here |
| 20:58.18 | enouf | wols_: thank you - i didn't think i had to export - but now i do |
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| 20:58.23 | Younix | why isn't the latest version of irssi available in aptitude? |
| 20:58.34 | n3kl | 1680 x 1050 |
| 20:58.37 | wols_ | Younix: cause you probably run stable |
| 20:58.39 | simonrvn | because |
| 20:58.41 | Younix | i do |
| 20:58.48 | Younix | but i did something one time...where i could get packages like that |
| 20:58.53 | n3kl | wols_: ^^ |
| 20:58.53 | Younix | with some special aptitude command |
| 20:58.54 | cromag | backports |
| 20:58.55 | Younix | yes! |
| 20:58.56 | Younix | that's it |
| 20:58.57 | wols_ | Younix: stable doesn't change after release. no new versions |
| 20:59.00 | Younix | k that's all i needed to know |
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| 20:59.11 | Amarande | Younix: or you can add sid sources and build sid packages against etch |
| 20:59.13 | dudeman | enouf, hey why you bildin mplayer from scratch |
| 20:59.20 | enouf | dudeman: wasn't sure if i should edit the Makefile, or the configure |
| 20:59.25 | dudeman | ahh |
| 20:59.26 | dudeman | nah man |
| 20:59.30 | dudeman | just enc |
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| 20:59.31 | Younix | Amarande: eh |
| 20:59.31 | wols_ | enouf: neither |
| 20:59.32 | dudeman | env* |
| 20:59.38 | enouf | dudeman: because it's eating 80% of my CPU during standard movie playback |
| 20:59.40 | sdc | is there a way to generate a des hash from cli? |
| 20:59.41 | Amarande | maybe it would be simpler to just download the wine sources and install them to /usr/local ... |
| 20:59.41 | kantor | hi, there was a problem, bug in the Lenny's software sources, software properties program, a python problem. Somebody tried a recent weekly build, the bug is still there ? |
| 20:59.45 | enouf | wols_: righto |
| 20:59.49 | dudeman | enouf, yeh.. which codec? |
| 20:59.50 | Younix | Amarande: i was able to install the latest version of irssu with aptitude..i just had to use some special command i can't remeber |
| 20:59.50 | wols_ | Younix: he means to create your own backport instead of using premade ones |
| 20:59.55 | Younix | oh |
| 21:00.03 | wols_ | enouf: you apt-get it and be done! |
| 21:00.07 | wols_ | sheesh |
| 21:00.07 | enouf | dudeman: but, on win98, it's as smooth as a baby's bottom ;-) |
| 21:00.09 | Younix | there was some article on it |
| 21:00.10 | Amarande | actually, the whole reason I have a /usr/local partition is mainly to put games that I want more than one user on the system to be able to run via wine :) |
| 21:00.11 | Younix | but i can'd find it |
| 21:00.14 | Dogfood | k, thanks. ^^ got the right version now... hope it has right ethernet drivers... >_>; |
| 21:00.22 | wols_ | Younix: /msg dpkg backport |
| 21:00.24 | enouf | dudeman: codec? the ffmpeg mpeg2 decoder |
| 21:00.26 | dudeman | I don't really have any babies... |
| 21:00.29 | dudeman | I wouldn't know. |
| 21:00.34 | wols_ | Dogfood: what network chip? |
| 21:00.35 | Younix | wols_: i already did |
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| 21:00.46 | dudeman | enouf, no sometimes a shitty encoding can also lead to massive decoding cpu cycles |
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| 21:00.56 | amphi | enouf: you don't need to export; 'CFLAGS=foo make' will work |
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| 21:01.09 | enouf | dudeman: i'm trying to test , to see if it's the decoder, the compile options, or the video driver |
| 21:01.21 | enouf | dudeman: its all hollywood crap |
| 21:01.23 | enouf | typical |
| 21:01.32 | wols_ | enouf: evil pirate |
| 21:01.33 | enouf | amphi: i thought so ... thanks |
| 21:01.40 | enouf | huh? |
| 21:01.43 | dudeman | ARRRR matey! |
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| 21:01.50 | enouf | these are bought and pressed DVDs ... wtf? |
| 21:01.59 | Dogfood | wols_: Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG |
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| 21:02.09 | wols_ | enouf: circumventing the DMCA and CSS. as I said: evil pirate :P |
| 21:02.14 | Dogfood | but gonna try the cable one first |
| 21:02.15 | amphi | slave of pigoplists! |
| 21:02.25 | dudeman | amphi, pin |
| 21:02.29 | wols_ | Dogfood: won't work out of the box. you need firmware which is non free |
| 21:02.34 | dudeman | amphi, another big word... |
| 21:02.36 | wols_ | Dogfood: /msg dpkg ipw3945 |
| 21:02.36 | amphi | pon |
| 21:02.39 | Amarande | wols: haven't you ever watched Pirates? Pirates are cool :) |
| 21:02.50 | dudeman | amphi, do you read a dictionary for recreation? |
| 21:02.51 | Amarande | And if you're lucky, you may get yourself cursed so you live forever but turn into a skeleton at times :) |
| 21:02.55 | dudeman | heh |
| 21:03.02 | Dogfood | 10/100 Ethernet is what it says about the normal card |
| 21:03.12 | wols_ | Dogfood: says more. lspci -nn |
| 21:03.32 | amphi | dudeman: I don't think you'll find 'pigopolist' in the dictionary |
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| 21:03.36 | n3kl | dpi was detected at 129 x 133 |
| 21:03.42 | n3kl | ha |
| 21:04.16 | dudeman | my gtk2 apps are not doing font smoothing! |
| 21:04.23 | dudeman | where can I check to see ? |
| 21:04.23 | wols_ | amphi: write a commie dictionary then |
| 21:04.31 | Amarande | btw, if you put both etch and sid as deb-src sources |
| 21:04.37 | Amarande | how do you specify which one you want when you use apt-get? |
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| 21:04.47 | dudeman | Amarande, ping |
| 21:04.48 | wols_ | Amarande: -t <sid> |
| 21:04.49 | dudeman | er.. |
| 21:04.53 | dudeman | or pin |
| 21:04.57 | dudeman | !pnning |
| 21:05.00 | dudeman | Asdjf;lkaj;dlfkja;sdlfj |
| 21:05.03 | dudeman | I give up! |
| 21:05.06 | Lagbolt | Amarande, if you dont have it pinned i would think it uses sid unless you tell it otherwise |
| 21:05.07 | wols_ | no "i" |
| 21:05.13 | stew | dudeman: please stop hitting enter so often |
| 21:05.16 | dudeman | !pinning |
| 21:05.17 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning, http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html. If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 21:05.19 | dudeman | stew, ok |
| 21:05.23 | Younix | apparently i have the latest version of mysql-server |
| 21:05.26 | enouf | amphi: i was told almost decisively that passing CFLAGS the -fomit-frame-pointer option would get me over this certain compile hurdle error when making the libavcodec's h264 codec (about an hour into it) .. but sigh, it didn't seem to work, and i've tried a few diff things at this point - thanks again though for clarifying |
| 21:05.54 | wols_ | enouf: doesn't dmm have that codec? |
| 21:05.59 | stew | Amarande: note that we'd strongly recommend that you not mix etch and sid. if there are packages that you need which aren't in etch use backports: /msg dpkg backports |
| 21:06.01 | enouf | amphi: but check this out :-P i pass the compile output to /dev/null, and watch it in htop O_o |
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| 21:06.23 | enouf | wols_: it's not the codec, and i'm already using and have tested various mplayer versions ... |
| 21:06.30 | enouf | er , + only |
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| 21:06.48 | wols_ | enouf: dmm has all the bells and whistles I thought for media software |
| 21:06.57 | enouf | wols_: i'm trying to tell it to NOT make that particular codec - but there doesn't seem to be a specific option to do that |
| 21:07.19 | wols_ | why not use it if it's used in the encoded file? |
| 21:07.26 | enouf | wols_: i found some --disable-decoder= and --enable-decoder= optiuons which i'm testing now |
| 21:07.32 | wols_ | gl |
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| 21:08.01 | enouf | i've been using -vo xv , and yes, nvidia blitter, etc |
| 21:08.06 | kantor | somebody tried a recent lenny weekly build ?? |
| 21:08.18 | wols_ | kantor: ask your real question |
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| 21:08.31 | enouf | but i'm using Xorg's nv, but win98 has the evil blob installed |
| 21:08.45 | wols_ | enouf: you run mplayer on wintendo? |
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| 21:08.55 | Dogfood | wols_: all It says about ethernet controller is broadcom Corporation Unknown device |
| 21:08.58 | enouf | wols_: no, a different software dvd player |
| 21:09.20 | kantor | wols_, there was an error, a bug related to the lenny GUI software properties program, a python related issue. the program just wont start |
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| 21:09.23 | enouf | wols_: but mplayer sure does distribute a .EXE , lmao |
| 21:09.39 | wols_ | Dogfood: then I'd try etchnhalf. /msg dpkg etchnhalf. unknown devices are often not supported with that kernel. with newer kernels your chance is bigger that it is |
| 21:10.09 | wols_ | enouf: I know. I use one (a .exe). nice player. no fuss |
| 21:10.09 | kantor | wols_, I tied a weekly built 2 weeks before, and the bug was still there |
| 21:10.09 | wols_ | !tell kantor about errors |
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| 21:10.14 | enouf | wols_: actually, the dvd player software for win98 was writtten ~1998-1999 |
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| 21:10.50 | enouf | wols_: it's a shame hardware mpeg decoders weren' much cheaper then ;-) |
| 21:11.14 | enouf | s/much cheaper/cheap |
| 21:11.29 | testi | I want to stream a Windows Media Player compatible stream with VLC - which codec and container should i use? (video only) |
| 21:11.40 | enouf | testi: go ask #vlc |
| 21:11.56 | enouf | or ##windows |
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| 21:14.26 | kantor | wols_, the bug was reported, but not yet fixed: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=487673 |
| 21:15.13 | enouf | wols_: btw, i got this HUGE configure command, and had to install TONs of -dev packages, AND specify the /usr/includes/xxxx/ path (separated list using ':' ) for almost all .. there's gazillions .. but i get a nice enabling of the various features ;-) http://pastebin.ca/raw/1197108 |
| 21:15.16 | kantor | wols_, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=489497 and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=493249 |
| 21:15.28 | wols_ | kantor: it is fixed |
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| 21:15.56 | kantor | wols_, yes ? then the fix is in the most recent weekly build, no ? |
| 21:15.57 | wols_ | kantor: Fixed in version python-apt/0.7.7. and lenny has python-apt 0.7.7-1 |
| 21:16.11 | kantor | ok, thanks ;-) |
| 21:16.14 | wols_ | kantor: install an etch, upgrade to lenny |
| 21:16.34 | wols_ | kantor: use repos, not CDs/builds |
| 21:16.45 | kantor | ok, thanks wols_ |
| 21:16.56 | enouf | amphi: i had to send the build output to /dev/null because there a re thousands upon thousands of (otherwise useless) 'warning' lines spewed during build - and it's thrashing the crap out of my HDD (stupid kde konsole buffer) |
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| 21:22.26 | jescis | how do I get the inittab to be restarted without restarting my server? |
| 21:22.57 | stew | jescis: telinit q |
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| 21:23.29 | adnc | does someone know of a email statistics application? |
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| 21:23.42 | jescis | stew, thanks :) |
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| 21:23.50 | SnakeEyes | hi |
| 21:24.08 | SnakeEyes | can i ask a common question? |
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| 21:24.15 | asl189 | cd .. |
| 21:24.18 | Sling | SnakeEyes : ask ahead |
| 21:24.19 | asl189 | Gah! |
| 21:24.22 | ham5 | SnakeEyes, CAN you ask a common question? |
| 21:24.32 | Zambezi | What is kind of error? I really need this to work: tiff2pdf: No support for tiff/page0001.tif with 16 bits per sample. |
| 21:24.35 | Amarande | hmm |
| 21:24.43 | Sling | lol a fly drowned in my whisky |
| 21:24.46 | Sling | a lucky fly it is |
| 21:24.50 | Amarande | is it normal, after editing xorg.conf, for GNOME terminals to fail to start until you restart X? |
| 21:24.56 | SnakeEyes | why debian and no fedora? avad and disadv? |
| 21:25.12 | Sling | SnakeEyes : google for debian vs fedora |
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| 21:25.26 | Sling | anyway, it depends highly on what you want to do with it, how well you know linux, etc |
| 21:25.35 | asl189 | SnakeEyes, I just really hate hats. |
| 21:25.38 | ham5 | SnakeEyes, no shit what you gonna do goto fedora channel and ask that to |
| 21:26.00 | stew | SnakeEyes: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 21:26.03 | Sling | you guys are in a helpful mood eh :) |
| 21:27.11 | SnakeEyes | i am newbie in linux so i must start from somewhere |
| 21:27.45 | stew | SnakeEyes: you might ask ##linux what distros they recommend for beginners |
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| 21:28.44 | jpinx | SnakeEyes: depends on what your experience and preferences are |
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| 21:29.13 | Lagbolt | SnakeEyes, debian is fairly easy to start with. if you are willing to read a bit there are great howto's on almost everything |
| 21:30.58 | jpinx | SnakeEyes: and the support is the best for any distro ;) |
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| 21:33.26 | SnakeEyes | i would like to learn a secure and strong OS, I have heard about BSDs and linux etc. and i have tried some linux distributions, I hear many times about ubuntu, but it has become i thing marketing product and i don't like that(sorry for my english) |
| 21:34.09 | Sling | an OS is as secure as its user |
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| 21:34.36 | Sling | if you use openbsd but configure pf to allow all inbound traffic and do chmod -R 777 / |
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| 21:34.45 | Sling | then is still free for all |
| 21:34.48 | jpinx | SnakeEyes: If you can read and apply fairly simple guides, Debian is for you :D |
| 21:35.23 | jpinx | any OS is only as secure as it's sysadmin |
| 21:35.31 | SnakeEyes | ok sling you mean that windows is safe too? |
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| 21:35.38 | Sling | no |
| 21:35.48 | SnakeEyes | :) |
| 21:35.51 | Sling | some OS'es have inherent problems |
| 21:35.56 | Sling | but i might be biased |
| 21:36.02 | SnakeEyes | that's right |
| 21:36.17 | SnakeEyes | so i must learn something kew |
| 21:36.19 | SnakeEyes | new |
| 21:36.36 | SnakeEyes | and better. |
| 21:36.42 | Sling | learn how to think from a security point of view, and use/configure your OS that way |
| 21:37.29 | SnakeEyes | what do you thing about about ubuntu which is debian based? |
| 21:38.00 | jpinx | SnakeEyes: if you are coming from a Windows environment you will need to get used to working the command line interface |
| 21:38.07 | jpinx | but it's not so scary |
| 21:38.11 | Sling | i think ubuntu focusses too much on having as many users as possible, instead of focussing on the quality of its OS |
| 21:38.23 | stew | SnakeEyes: ubuntu is off-topic here. if you want to ask ubuntu specific questions do it in #ubuntu, or if you want comparisons of various linux OSs, try ##linux |
| 21:39.10 | Sling | or go to #<distro x> and hear that distro x is best :) |
| 21:39.25 | jpinx | SnakeEyes: you can only get advice on Debian here |
| 21:40.10 | jpinx | but the extent of advice is huge, and many ubuntu users try to use this channel, but they are not welcome |
| 21:40.37 | SnakeEyes | ok guys sorry |
| 21:41.04 | Sling | ..not welcome.. i smell some fanboyism |
| 21:41.25 | SnakeEyes | what does fanboysim? |
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| 21:41.47 | stew | ubuntu users are welcome on this channel. discussion of ubuntu isn't |
| 21:42.07 | jpinx | accepts stew's correction |
| 21:42.42 | ham5 | :) |
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| 21:44.21 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 21:46.02 | superlinux | I am looking for a software that works like the IRC but VoIP. What that would be? |
| 21:46.28 | karlpinc | if I put "#!/usr/bin/awk -f" as the first line of my script, it works. But "#!/usr/bin/awk -W exec" does not work. I thought I was supposed to use -W exec with #! instead of -f. What am I not getting here? |
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| 21:49.30 | superlinux | karlpinc, this seems a mistake in the manual |
| 21:49.45 | superlinux | baed on what you say |
| 21:49.51 | superlinux | based on what you say |
| 21:50.54 | yomguy | superlinux: ekiga is usefull |
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| 21:51.14 | superlinux | yomguy, i'll see |
| 21:51.16 | Lagbolt | superlinux, ekiga works, you can also get skype for linux |
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| 21:51.37 | superlinux | wel.. iinskype you cant make rooms |
| 21:51.56 | jaalto | Is there any good performance monitor that would tell which causes high load: load average: 4.66, 4.44, 4.48. The top(1) ot htop(1) says my 2 cores are idle. The iotop(1) says there is no high disk activity, so what explains this? |
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| 21:52.09 | yomguy | yes skype works well but is a completely proprietary stuff |
| 21:52.23 | themill | FSVO "well" |
| 21:52.24 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:53.31 | superlinux | yomguy, can skype make rooms? like IRC? |
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| 21:53.35 | sich | hi |
| 21:53.43 | sich | my x-server is broken |
| 21:54.05 | sich | how can reset it or reinstall it completly? |
| 21:54.30 | superlinux | sich, how broken? |
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| 21:54.36 | superlinux | in what way? |
| 21:54.47 | sich | superlinux: i cant load gdm |
| 21:55.02 | yomguy | superlinux: yes, limited to 150 persons I think |
| 21:55.12 | sich | and reinstall gdm |
| 21:55.21 | dante_2core | gosh, man s2disk ~ |
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| 21:55.26 | superlinux | yom how? |
| 21:55.58 | xan | Hello, I would like to kill all the processes with a certain name, but in debian there is no "killall" available by default, how do I do this? |
| 21:56.08 | superlinux | yomguy, how? |
| 21:56.19 | sich | superlinux: if i reboot, tell me can't load gdm or xdm .... because the x-server isn't currectly |
| 21:56.24 | jaalto | xan: apt-get install psmisc |
| 21:56.32 | themill | xan: it's in the psmisc package |
| 21:56.39 | xan | thanks |
| 21:56.54 | jaalto | xan: http://pacakges.debian.org => serch by file name |
| 21:57.03 | superlinux | sich, what about kdm? |
| 21:57.06 | \amethyst | xan: pkill is in procps, and does more or less the same thing |
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| 21:57.36 | sich | superlinux: i test it to, say the same error, The x-server isn't currectly |
| 21:57.40 | sich | just that |
| 21:57.40 | \amethyst | xan: (procps is required, while psmisc is only optional) |
| 21:57.50 | xan | yes I see |
| 21:57.52 | xan | thank you guys |
| 21:57.55 | xan | solved my problem |
| 21:57.57 | yomguy | superlinux: you may find some howtos on the web.. I haven't try it but I know it's possible |
| 21:57.59 | superlinux | The x-server isn't currectly what? |
| 21:58.21 | superlinux | yomguy, thatnks |
| 21:58.34 | sich | superlinux: isn't currectly configured...etc |
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| 21:59.38 | sich | can i install x-server or reconfigure all completly? |
| 21:59.54 | superlinux | then you need to reconfigure it |
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| 22:00.29 | yomguy | superlinux: but try ekiga or wengophone which are open source programs |
| 22:00.33 | jaalto | Did anyone have ideas for the performance monitoring tools that would eplain those 4.x loads? htop(1) reported 4% CPU, iotop(1) was almost idle, so what is this machine doing? |
| 22:00.37 | sich | but how? the dpkg -reconfigure x-server do nothing |
| 22:01.10 | superlinux | yomguy, it's my ppl most of tem are skypers |
| 22:01.31 | jescis | sich, no space between dpkg and -reconfigure |
| 22:01.39 | superlinux | but i found on skype's forums how to do that |
| 22:01.42 | jaalto | sich: dpkg-reconfigure --priority=low x-window-system |
| 22:01.47 | superlinux | here is the link |
| 22:01.55 | \amethyst | jaalto: look in ps aux and see if any processes are in state D |
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| 22:02.04 | superlinux | http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=54393 |
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| 22:02.18 | jaalto | \amethyst: Whatäs state D? |
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| 22:02.51 | \amethyst | jaalto: 'uninterruptable sleep', usually meaning that the kernel is waiting for hardware I/O (or a NFS operation) to complete on the process's behalf |
| 22:02.53 | yomguy | superlinux: all right |
| 22:03.00 | stew | jaalto: x-window-system is just a transitional package, it wouldn't have any debconf questions (and low is the default priority anyway) |
| 22:03.05 | themill | jaalto: man ps "PROCESS STATE CODES" |
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| 22:04.38 | \amethyst | jaalto: Load is the number of processes in state R or D |
| 22:05.44 | yomguy | superlinux: skype gives a debian package you can install with dpkg |
| 22:05.59 | jaalto | \amethyst: Wow. "ps aux | awk '$7 ~ /[sS]/ {print}' | wc -l" returns 80. |
| 22:06.14 | superlinux | yomguy, thank you. i have it already installed |
| 22:06.32 | superlinux | but the room thing is the problem |
| 22:06.34 | \amethyst | jaalto: state S is what most processes will be in most of the time |
| 22:07.11 | jaalto | But how come iostat(1) does not signal much activity? |
| 22:07.32 | \amethyst | jaalto: probably not much disk I/O is happening... are there any processes in state D ? |
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| 22:08.17 | jaalto | \amethyst: None. same query for [dD] returns 0. |
| 22:09.27 | jaalto | \amethyst: Wait, the correct field was $8m not $7 in awk |
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| 22:09.43 | \amethyst | jaalto: I was about to ask :) |
| 22:09.50 | \amethyst | just uppercase, btw |
| 22:09.58 | jaalto | \amethyst: sS = 272, dD = 4 processes match |
| 22:10.01 | \amethyst | lowercase letters in the state mean something different |
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| 22:10.06 | \amethyst | jaalto: and your load is about 4? |
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| 22:10.38 | jaalto | \amethyst: yes: uptime(1) => load average: 4.23, 4.16, 4.23 |
| 22:11.25 | \amethyst | jaalto: sounds right---what are those four processes, and what are they waiting on? |
| 22:13.21 | \amethyst | jaalto: ps ax -o pid,state,comm,wchan | awk '$2~/D/ { print }' |
| 22:13.42 | \amethyst | jaalto: the last column, wchan, will be the name of the syscall that the process is currently executing |
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| 22:14.24 | jaalto | \amethyst: a sec |
| 22:14.33 | \amethyst | jaalto: you can look in /proc/<pid>/fd to find out what files the process has open |
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| 22:14.53 | \amethyst | jaalto: do you have any network filesystems on this computer, by any chance? |
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| 22:15.32 | \amethyst | jaalto: also, if you look for D now is it the same four processes? |
| 22:15.51 | \amethyst | jaalto: it sounds like they have been stuck for a while, if your load average is slightly over 4 |
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| 22:17.24 | MXIIA | how can i find out something's process ID? |
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| 22:18.17 | dmoerner | MXIIA: ps -ef |
| 22:18.27 | jaalto | \amethyst: Hm, it seems to be associated with NFS. Here is the report. http://sial.org/pbot/32110 |
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| 22:19.22 | jaalto | How do I resolve this? |
| 22:20.37 | stew | MXIIA: "pidof command" or "pgrep command" as well |
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| 22:20.54 | MXIIA | ok, I got it, thanks |
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| 22:20.59 | adnc | i deleted some log files like mail.err if i create these in the /var/log directory, will they be used for logging by my mail server again? |
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| 22:21.41 | stew | adnc: don't recreate them, just /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart |
| 22:22.11 | adnc | stew: thank you, you are an angel for me today! |
| 22:23.15 | n3kl | Hello People! |
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| 22:24.33 | Zambezi | \amethyst: Heard of pastebin? |
| 22:24.37 | jaalto | \amethyst: I'm not sure how to reolve these. What would you suggest? |
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| 22:25.20 | ma3x | is it possible to program a field in openoffice calc to fetch a value(number) from a website online? |
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| 22:26.12 | Zambezi | Some gnome-add on failed to start after I restarted X. I thought it was gnome-mount, but it's not. Nautilus won't start and the desktop shows no icons at all. |
| 22:26.57 | jmafcd | hello, I'm having a problem with gnucash/libfinance-quote on lenny that may be due to perl 5.10. How can install per 5.8 to verify that it works with that? |
| 22:27.17 | \amethyst | jaalto: they're all waiting on network stuff |
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| 22:27.36 | \amethyst | jaalto: sounds like your NFS server went down, or you can't reach it right now |
| 22:27.46 | Kobaz | how would i just do a download of a package and not install it just yet |
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| 22:28.25 | \amethyst | jaalto: you might look at the 'soft' or 'intr' mount option, which turns such failures into an error, or interruptable sleep, respectively |
| 22:28.32 | \amethyst | jaalto: man nfs for more info |
| 22:28.45 | karabatak | hi everybody when i am trying to view www.gnomefiles.org it is fowarding me to www.osnews.com is it same thing for you ??? could anyone try ???? |
| 22:29.09 | ham5 | karabatak, same for me |
| 22:29.36 | \amethyst | karabatak: http://osnews.com/staff/permalink.php/2920/gnomefiles.html |
| 22:29.47 | karabatak | ham5: thanks a lot |
| 22:29.48 | jaalto | \amethyst: I'm using 'hard' in NFS mounts. The current home mounis workign so it must be the other mounts. CAn this be isolated further to see what mounts are in trouble? |
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| 22:30.27 | \amethyst | karabatak: sorry, http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/09/01/goodbye-gnomefiles/ |
| 22:30.27 | karabatak | \amethyst: thaks a lot for the link |
| 22:30.42 | karabatak | \amethyst: ok |
| 22:30.47 | \amethyst | karabatak: the first one is a response to (responses to) the original notice |
| 22:30.54 | jaalto | \amethyst: An example: /etc/fstab entry for NFS: auto,noatime,nodiratime,defaults,hard,intr,bg,sec=sys,retry=1 |
| 22:31.32 | \amethyst | jaalto: hard means that, if there is an error, it will retry forever in state D (hence unkillable even with -9, and counting towards load average) |
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| 22:32.06 | \amethyst | jaalto: as far as while filesys, look at the files in /proc/15290/fd for example |
| 22:32.24 | \amethyst | jaalto: s/while/which/ |
| 22:32.41 | \amethyst | jaalto: (that's a directory, it contains links to all the open files) |
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| 22:33.15 | jaalto | \amethyst: Ok. |
| 22:33.32 | Hiro` | hi guys |
| 22:33.49 | \amethyst | jaalto: or lsof -P 15290 if you have lsof |
| 22:33.55 | simNIX | only guys ? |
| 22:34.12 | Hiro` | simNIX: oups sorry :x |
| 22:34.28 | jaalto | \amethyst: The reason why never looked at soft was "so-called "soft" timeout can cause silent data corruption tion in certain cases." |
| 22:34.28 | simNIX | greetings - ) |
| 22:34.30 | Hiro` | have someone had problems with mysql-server-5.0 on etch using the amd64 distro ? |
| 22:34.58 | Hiro` | my mysqld refuses to enable innodb tables and drops connections when asked "show status" |
| 22:34.58 | jaalto | \amethyst: Yes I have lsof |
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| 22:35.30 | Hiro` | (it's a fresh install and same config files work on a virtual 32bit install) |
| 22:36.25 | jaalto | \amethyst: Yau, lsof hung |
| 22:37.22 | \amethyst | jaalto: hm, I bet it was statting the file to see what kind it was |
| 22:37.55 | \amethyst | jaalto: hm, you have intr, which should be putting it in state S instead of D |
| 22:38.45 | jaalto | \amethyst: all my NFS mounts have those listed options |
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| 22:40.27 | \amethyst | jaalto: are you mounting different servers? |
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| 22:41.32 | jaalto | \amethyst: Yes. All wireless NFS mounts |
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| 22:42.14 | jaalto | writing bash program to give more information |
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| 22:43.07 | \amethyst | jaalto: remember, you can't access the files, or even stat them, or you'll hang |
| 22:44.49 | \amethyst | jaalto: fortunately, the stat program uses lstat, not stat, so it only looks at the link, and should be fine |
| 22:45.23 | jaalto | \amethyst: I'm using that "/proc/$pid/fd/*" that you suggested and file(1) |
| 22:45.30 | \amethyst | jaalto: stat -c %N /proc/$pid/fd/* |
| 22:46.24 | \amethyst | jaalto: hm, I guess that's fine as long as file doesn't try to read or stat the file the symlink points to |
| 22:47.39 | jaalto | \amethyst: That stat call was even better, thanks. |
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| 22:49.15 | jaalto | \amethyst: This is what I found http://sial.org/pbot/32111 |
| 22:49.43 | jayeola | hey chaps, the last time i tried lenny/etch there was an issue with acpi and laptops in that they would sleep and X would not resume. is there anywhere were i can get an update on this? |
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| 22:52.01 | karmatronic | hi |
| 22:52.21 | karmatronic | one game left for federer to win the US open! |
| 22:52.42 | jaalto | \amethyst: It seems that Gnome the most to blame (gnome-vfs-daemon). It holds lot oc sockets and pipes |
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| 22:52.51 | jayeola | sheesh! he might actually win something |
| 22:53.03 | karmatronic | jayeola: the 13th :) |
| 22:54.25 | \amethyst | jaalto: is /var NFS-mounted? |
| 22:55.11 | jaalto | \amethyst: No root level directories are. All remote hosts are mounted under /mnt/nfs |
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| 22:55.34 | amphi | karmatronic: spr0t? |
| 22:55.36 | ricosecada | Is there any package that contains the ps2pdf script? |
| 22:55.47 | amphi | ricosecada: use apt-file |
| 22:56.21 | amphi | ricosecada: it's provided by the ghostscript package |
| 22:56.27 | jaalto | \amethyst: Ah you're suspecting Gnome update-notifier? |
| 22:56.35 | karmatronic | amphi: tennis |
| 22:56.37 | \amethyst | jaalto: hm, that could be it |
| 22:56.44 | jayeola | pdf-utils? |
| 22:57.22 | \amethyst | jaalto: but only one of those processes (the last) is calling inotify |
| 22:57.32 | amphi | karmatronic: ugh ;) |
| 22:58.24 | karmatronic | amphi: :) |
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| 22:59.28 | karmatronic | ricosecada: gs-common |
| 22:59.57 | n3kl | What do I need to do to make tuxguitar play sounds? |
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| 23:00.30 | karmatronic | n3kl: works out of the box |
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| 23:00.49 | jaalto | \amethyst: Voila! it was /usr/bin/updatedb.mlocate - after I killed it the load started go down |
| 23:00.59 | n3kl | karmatronic: if I open a gp5 file, and hit play, I see that it plays, but no sound comes out |
| 23:01.23 | jaalto | \amethyst: Thanks a lot for helping to track this down |
| 23:01.36 | jaalto | \amethyst: I have to adjust that cron job |
| 23:01.39 | Dogfood | wols_: okay, now I got etch-and-half amd64 installed and it works otherwise fine (with cable atleast) but having trouble with the wireless |
| 23:01.48 | karmatronic | n3kl: check sound settings through the GUI |
| 23:02.07 | n3kl | karmatronic: where? |
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| 23:03.20 | Amarande | bah, what's the name of the program that replaced Gaim? |
| 23:03.43 | n3kl | Amarande: pidgin |
| 23:03.45 | karmatronic | Amarande: gajim? |
| 23:03.46 | Dogfood | did what dpkg adviced in ipw3945 and iwlwifi... but the wlan won't show up in Network Settings |
| 23:03.50 | Dogfood | Pidgin |
| 23:03.58 | karmatronic | :) |
| 23:04.39 | amphi | Dogfood: does it show up in iwconfig output? |
| 23:05.18 | Dogfood | it just shows one ethernet device |
| 23:05.30 | Dogfood | there should be two: wlan and cable |
| 23:05.44 | a-9 | I have installed nvidia in nvidia way. No erros returned when installing it, but X don't start with nvidia in xorg.conf, although it does with nv. When I run startx it returns something saying that was impossible to load nvidia glx and another one I can't remember now. Any ideas ? |
| 23:05.45 | amphi | can you modprobe iwl3945? |
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| 23:05.54 | Dogfood | it does that just fine |
| 23:05.55 | karmatronic | he won !!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:06.30 | iaindalton | What do I do if a get an email bounce from a package maintainer? |
| 23:06.56 | dmoerner | iaindalton: there is a section in the developer's reference about this. one sec and i'll get you the link |
| 23:06.58 | Dogfood | amphi: modprobe iwl3945 works fine |
| 23:07.05 | Dogfood | no errors or anything |
| 23:07.16 | iaindalton | Also he has a bunch of 3-year-old bugs open |
| 23:07.23 | karmatronic | a-9: check /var/log/Xorg.log for an error |
| 23:07.28 | dmoerner | iaindalton: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/beyond-pkging.html#mia-qa |
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| 23:07.31 | dmoerner | what package? |
| 23:07.35 | iaindalton | dict-gcide |
| 23:07.36 | amphi | Dogfood: you see reassuring messages in your logs? |
| 23:07.49 | iaindalton | Bob Hilliard |
| 23:08.13 | Dogfood | with -V it shows "module-init-tools version 3.3-pre2" |
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| 23:08.15 | dmoerner | iaindalton: that is no longer maintained by him. it is now the property of debian QA |
| 23:08.43 | karmatronic | Dogfood: check lspci first to be sure your wifi model name |
| 23:09.00 | Dogfood | "intel corporation unknown device" |
| 23:09.19 | iaindalton | dmoerner: Where are you getting your information? http://packages.debian.org/etch/dict-gcide says he's the maintainer. |
| 23:09.22 | dmoerner | Dogfood: what intel chipset is this again? |
| 23:09.28 | Dogfood | had to dig it up from specs on lenovo site |
| 23:10.03 | dmoerner | iaindalton: that's because its the etch package. in sid it's been orphaned by him and adopted by debian-qa. |
| 23:10.04 | dmoerner | Dogfood: is this a new intel 5300? |
| 23:10.20 | iaindalton | dmoerner: OK, got it. |
| 23:10.20 | Dogfood | Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG |
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| 23:10.20 | dmoerner | you will need to use 2.6.27-rc3 or newer, or 2.6.26-rc6 with compat-wireless patches. nevermind. |
| 23:10.32 | dmoerner | Dogfood: sorry ignore the above message |
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| 23:13.25 | Dogfood | could it be that my sources.list isn't right? |
| 23:13.31 | themill | Dogfood: what kernel are you currently running? (uname -r) |
| 23:13.54 | Dogfood | latest etch-and-half |
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| 23:14.18 | abrotman | iwlwifi |
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| 23:14.21 | Dogfood | 2.6.24-etchandhalf.1-amd64 |
| 23:14.40 | themill | Dogfood: and you installed the firmware-iwlwifi package? (check with apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi) |
| 23:15.10 | Rayy | which kernel will lenny use and is there any release date yet? |
| 23:15.18 | abrotman | !tell Rayy about wwlr |
| 23:15.21 | themill | Rayy: 2.6.26 |
| 23:15.24 | abrotman | Rayy: and a .26 |
| 23:15.29 | abrotman | or apparently so |
| 23:15.31 | Rayy | wow wtf |
| 23:15.44 | abrotman | that's bad? |
| 23:15.48 | Rayy | how come they use 2.6.26? |
| 23:15.55 | themill | why not? |
| 23:15.58 | Rayy | ive expected 22 |
| 23:15.58 | abrotman | would you rather use a 2.4.x ? |
| 23:16.10 | themill | istr 0.9.3 was a good kernel |
| 23:16.23 | Rayy | my last lenny had 2.6.22 |
| 23:16.44 | themill | Rayy: lenny had that kernel about a year ago... |
| 23:16.45 | Rayy | i thought they would first make that stable |
| 23:16.57 | Rayy | debian stable^^ |
| 23:17.09 | Rayy | but im pleased with the outcome |
| 23:17.09 | abrotman | huh? |
| 23:17.17 | Dogfood | themill: has 0.4+etchandhalf.l installed |
| 23:17.20 | Rayy | still gnome 2.18? |
| 23:17.29 | Amarande | I suppose I'll get lenny once it's out. :) |
| 23:17.30 | themill | dpkg: tell Rayy about search |
| 23:17.50 | Amarande | speaking of which, are there any major gotchas with going from etch to lenny, or is it just a matter of changing the sources and doing a dist-upgrade? |
| 23:18.07 | Amarande | (also, is lenny 4.1, or 5.0?) |
| 23:18.12 | abrotman | !lenny |
| 23:18.12 | dpkg | lenny is probably the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>. |
| 23:18.15 | Rayy | themill: im currently in kubuntu, so... |
| 23:18.25 | abrotman | Rayy: so you can't use a web browser ? |
| 23:18.32 | themill | Rayy: I think packages.debian.org still works for kubuntu users |
| 23:18.38 | themill | Dogfood: what output do you get from: modprobe -r iwl3945 ; modprobe iwl3945 ; dmesg | tail -20 (use a pastebin) |
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| 23:18.56 | Rayy | abrotman: themill sry, i just liked to chat a bit :P |
| 23:19.03 | Amarande | oh, also, when doing a dist-upgrade, is it safe to leave locally built packages in place or do those need to be uninstalled first? |
| 23:19.09 | mohadib | how does raid 1 writes compare to raid 5 , in terms of speed? |
| 23:19.24 | themill | Rayy: that's good... but you're asking us to look things up for you... |
| 23:19.28 | Amarande | like fglrx and backports and the like |
| 23:19.31 | abrotman | they're both slower than a single drive |
| 23:19.38 | mohadib | i see |
| 23:19.44 | Rayy | themill: sry, wasnt my intention |
| 23:19.46 | mohadib | a lot slower? |
| 23:19.57 | abrotman | mohadib: ask google for benchmarks |
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| 23:20.23 | mohadib | abrotman: ok, thanks |
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| 23:21.39 | jester45 | is it possible to run a mysql db into ram (tmpfs) |
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| 23:22.04 | Dogfood | themill: http://pastebin.com/d3efca97c |
| 23:22.08 | Rayy | themill: i suppose its going to be the best debian release ever^^ |
| 23:22.14 | themill | of course |
| 23:22.18 | abrotman | jester45: ask #mysql |
| 23:22.24 | Rayy | themill: etch had very outdated software |
| 23:22.30 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 23:22.39 | Rayy | themill: kernel couldnt handle my sound system |
| 23:22.52 | Rayy | themill: and i was too lazy to compile my own^^ |
| 23:23.23 | themill | Dogfood: and the wireless device isn't shown in "iwconfig" or in "ifconfig -a"? |
| 23:23.26 | Amarande | etch seems fine enough on this machine |
| 23:23.30 | Amarande | other than that I had to backport wine from sid |
| 23:23.36 | Amarande | which so far seems to be working perfectly anyway |
| 23:23.40 | themill | !backport.org |
| 23:23.48 | abrotman | themill: have you been playing with the time machine again? |
| 23:23.50 | abrotman | !bpo |
| 23:23.51 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 23:23.54 | Rayy | Amarande: i always add the deb sources on the homepage |
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| 23:24.21 | Dogfood | themill: nope |
| 23:24.25 | themill | abrotman: would be easier... |
| 23:24.37 | Amarande | I'm assuming that with a Radeon 3870 I'd still have to use fglrx even with Lenny |
| 23:24.46 | themill | Dogfood: what devices do you see in those outputs? |
| 23:25.00 | mohadib | seems raid1 is faster.. |
| 23:25.00 | Dogfood | http://pastebin.com/d5efe59e9 could that last line have something to do with this problem? |
| 23:25.36 | themill | Dogfood: shouldn't be a problem for this |
| 23:25.47 | dmoerner | Amarande: only fglrx works with 3d on r6xx cards right now, so yes. |
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| 23:26.04 | Rayy | themill: nice, theyre using gnome 2.22 |
| 23:26.20 | Rayy | themill: this release is rly up to date^^ |
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| 23:26.24 | abrotman | no they're not |
| 23:26.25 | Dogfood | ifconfig -a shows just eth0 and l0 |
| 23:26.26 | abrotman | it's a mix |
| 23:26.30 | abrotman | Rayy: and it's not released |
| 23:26.40 | abrotman | it's part .20 and part .22 |
| 23:27.07 | Dogfood | ...and eth0 is the broadcom normal wired card |
| 23:27.12 | Rayy | everything below 20 is bad |
| 23:27.14 | themill | Rayy: if the freeze takes 6 months it won't. |
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| 23:27.52 | Rayy | themill: i like it stable |
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| 23:28.11 | khin | i was thinking of switching to debian over ubuntu because i like debian's color |
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| 23:28.44 | themill | Dogfood: do you have the kill switch on? /msg dpkg killswitch |
| 23:28.49 | abrotman | you want it stable but complain about old packages? sounds like a troll |
| 23:29.08 | mohadib | khin: lol? |
| 23:29.43 | simonrvn | that is a troll. how fucking lame. |
| 23:30.02 | Dogfood | pastebin.com/m3765e701 thats what iwconfig and ifconfig -a give |
| 23:30.09 | khin | well more seriously i thought it was time to move on from a n00b distro |
| 23:30.26 | mohadib | ubuntu is not really a new distro |
| 23:30.41 | mohadib | newb* |
| 23:30.49 | mohadib | though a lot of newbs use it :s |
| 23:31.00 | themill | it's also not on-topic in #debian |
| 23:31.10 | Rayy | mohadib: i think its a great distro for beginners |
| 23:31.29 | mohadib | i have been using der lunix for 8 years, and i like it a lot |
| 23:31.33 | mohadib | though i use debian :p |
| 23:31.41 | extor | I am using /usr/bin/osd_cat to print some text to screen but the font is tiny. Is there any syntax that can make the font bigger or actually is it possible for me to define a custom font in X that has a defaut size of say, 25? |
| 23:31.50 | Rayy | mohadib: i like debian a lot too |
| 23:32.10 | abrotman | !ot |
| 23:32.10 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 23:32.10 | Rayy | mohadib: currently im in a kubuntu with kde 4.1.1 and waiting for lenny release^^ |
| 23:32.20 | abrotman | Rayy: take it to #debian-offtopic please |
| 23:32.27 | Rayy | abrotman: ok |
| 23:32.49 | abrotman | ask the others to join you |
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| 23:35.01 | mohadib | hmm osd_Cat is kinda neat |
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| 23:38.23 | Dogfood | themill: killswitch is off at the moment and rebooted laptop... wlan still won't show up |
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| 23:38.53 | themill | Dogfood: nfc... that's really odd. iwlwifi normally either complains about things or just works. |
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| 23:42.22 | Dogfood | themill: pastebin.com/d634e17a8 <-- that's the sources.list I have atm |
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| 23:42.46 | H4z3 | Stupid question time |
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| 23:43.07 | H4z3 | Adding applications to autostart, such as lighttp? |
| 23:43.09 | themill | Dogfood: get rid of "sources" at the end of lines 8 and 9. But that's not your problem |
| 23:43.13 | JordiGH | "gpg: Signature made Thu 03 Apr 2008 02:41:46 AM CST using DSA key ID 3DC29B41" |
| 23:43.17 | JordiGH | What does that mean? |
| 23:43.24 | JordiGH | Is that one of the SSL fiasco keys? |
| 23:43.25 | themill | dpkg: tell H4z3 about startup |
| 23:43.30 | H4z3 | themill: Thanks |
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| 23:44.07 | stew | JordiGH: that's got nothing to do with ssl, its gpg which was unaffected |
| 23:44.28 | Dogfood | orz |
| 23:44.49 | JordiGH | stew: This is from a source package. It further says "gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found" |
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| 23:45.27 | jaggz- | how can I go through a list of images and view them? |
| 23:45.28 | stew | JordiGH: that means the key isn't in your keyring, you can get it with gpg --recv-keys 3DC29B41 |
| 23:45.45 | jaggz- | locate -ir 'x.jpg$' | examine_images |
| 23:46.05 | JordiGH | stew: Weird, why would a key for a Debian source package not be me in my keyring? That's the first time I ever remember seeing this. |
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| 23:46.36 | themill | Dogfood: you might find some mileage in trying a newer firmware package. I'm using package 0.10.0; 0.12 is on backports.org. I don't know how much if at all the iwlwifi firmware has changed and if that might help you. Perhaps ask in #ipw2100 |
| 23:46.48 | JordiGH | This is for crm114's source package, btw. |
| 23:46.53 | stew | JordiGH: its not in YOUR keyring, its in the debian-keyring, "gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg --list-sigs 3DC29B41" |
| 23:46.56 | Dogfood | themill: ok |
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| 23:47.57 | jaggz- | gqview `locate whatever` might be working.. except bad filenames for commandline... |
| 23:47.59 | JordiGH | stew: It's not there either. |
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| 23:48.47 | Dogfood | themill: thanks, I'll try again tomorrow |
| 23:49.05 | JordiGH | ZOMG man-in-the-middle attack WTF! |
| 23:49.42 | themill | Dogfood: good luck :) |
| 23:49.44 | sdc | in jtr how can i instruct it to go as long as 3 chars? |
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| 23:51.24 | JordiGH | Am I the only one having problems verifying the crm114 source package signature? |
| 23:51.33 | stew | JordiGH: its there for me |
| 23:51.44 | dmoerner | maybe the key expired? |
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| 23:52.35 | dmoerner | JordiGH: hmm...http://www.linux-m32r.org/pipermail/build-status/Week-of-Mon-20070625/079882.html |
| 23:52.43 | Freeaqingme | I've got a server running centos, on which I want to install debian (d'oh). Now there's some chroot tool that can be used for that, I did however forget it's name. Anybody who could tell me it's name? |
| 23:52.59 | dmoerner | Freeaqingme: deboostrap |
| 23:53.10 | JordiGH | Huh. debian-keyring isn't installed here. But I just verified three other source packages! |
| 23:53.10 | dmoerner | sorry debootstrap |
| 23:53.10 | Freeaqingme | dmoerner, ty :D |
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| 23:53.45 | adama_ | speaking of keyring, how do I allow an app (nm-applet) to always be allowed to use it? |
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| 23:56.24 | JordiGH | Wow, 20 megs for the debian keyring? |
| 23:56.35 | stew | JordiGH: it contains a lot of photos |
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