| 00:00.09 | hml | how do i figure out which package provided /usr/lib/blahblahblah.so ? |
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| 00:00.17 | hml | i can't find it in the manpages of either apt-file nor apt-cache |
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| 00:00.30 | JordiGH | hml: dpkg -S /usr/lib/blahblahblah.so |
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| 00:01.05 | hml | hmm, not found |
| 00:01.23 | JordiGH | hml: o.O |
| 00:01.27 | Tramp | !tell hml about search |
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| 00:01.44 | JordiGH | that's not supposed to happen. Unless you're looking at a symlink, not the actual file. Symlinks might get created by install scripts. |
| 00:02.07 | stew | hml: this is a file that currently exists? or are you trying to figure out what you could install to get that file? |
| 00:02.10 | a-9 | failed to load type1, glx and nvidia. module does not exist. I installed the nvidia driver in the nvidia way and it didn't return any errors. Any idea ? |
| 00:02.30 | hml | i'm an idiot; locate's database is outdated |
| 00:02.36 | hml | JordiGH , stew : thanks |
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| 00:04.25 | toad_ | question about md-raid: if i disconnect a disk, it will use the other disk, and then when i reconnect the disk, it will resync it, correct? does this hold even if the raid set isn't clean in the first place? it would break then, if i got the wrong disk, right? (raid1/mirroring) |
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| 00:07.44 | dudeman | enouf, ping |
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| 00:08.02 | lruiz | hola |
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| 00:08.09 | lruiz | help |
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| 00:12.35 | enouf | dudeman: WHAT!? |
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| 00:12.40 | enouf | sdammit |
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| 00:12.49 | JordiGH | !lol |
| 00:12.50 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 00:12.56 | enouf | dudeman: go over to oftc |
| 00:13.00 | enouf | i'm busy |
| 00:13.06 | JordiGH | Heheheh... |
| 00:13.09 | geek | ok, *that* is a little odd... |
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| 00:13.46 | Amarande | to which we need to add dpkg's thoughts on |
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| 00:13.47 | Amarande | !aol |
| 00:13.48 | dpkg | it has been said that aol is America OnLine, a large ISP, beloved of people who don't know much about the Internet. |
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| 00:14.55 | ham5 | what about kekekekekeke? |
| 00:15.17 | JordiGH | ham5: !ko |
| 00:15.25 | JordiGH | !ko |
| 00:15.26 | dpkg | i heard ko is KNOCK OUT, or danish for cow mooooo |
| 00:15.26 | dudeman | enouf, why |
| 00:15.27 | ham5 | !ko |
| 00:15.31 | dudeman | stop it |
| 00:15.42 | JordiGH | I was hoping that would be a Korean language factoid... |
| 00:15.47 | ham5 | g1 |
| 00:15.51 | ham5 | keke |
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| 00:16.40 | enouf | dudeman: dammit, im drinking, messing with compiles and listening to Zep ;-) |
| 00:16.47 | dudeman | yo man |
| 00:17.04 | enouf | dudeman: but now, i can't get anything done .. but the music plays on ;-) |
| 00:17.09 | stew | enouf: dudeman: please take this elsewhere |
| 00:17.18 | enouf | ok, np |
| 00:17.30 | jescis | How do I get nickserv and chanserv with the hybserv package? |
| 00:17.41 | ham5 | gd its like that? |
| 00:17.44 | enouf | dudeman: /join #d...-ot on oftc |
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| 00:18.06 | dudeman | hell no |
| 00:18.30 | jescis | smacks dudeman with a large trout |
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| 00:23.28 | caden_ | i have a question-- how should i go about enabling nVidia hardware acceleration in debian? i googled it but the docs i found were like 4 years old |
| 00:23.34 | caden_ | or is it even worth it? |
| 00:23.46 | dudeman | caden_, which debian release? |
| 00:24.01 | dudeman | caden_, nvidia isn't hard to get working with 3D accel. |
| 00:24.03 | caden_ | i just installed it yesterday and its the stable one |
| 00:24.16 | dudeman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 00:24.16 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 00:24.36 | dudeman | caden_, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 00:24.45 | JordiGH | I always thought that looks like a stewian sed. |
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| 00:24.56 | caden_ | thanks iam trying that msg now... |
| 00:25.05 | JordiGH | Who the hell uses , as a delimiter in substitute expressions? |
| 00:25.18 | stew | JordiGH: you wouldn't see me giving out nvidia instructions though |
| 00:25.27 | stew | caden_: are you planning to use 3d applications? |
| 00:25.30 | p1ngp0ng | Hi...crap hold on need a smoke, then time for my question |
| 00:25.49 | caden_ | not a lot, just stuff like google earth runs hella slow without it |
| 00:25.56 | caden_ | i am not planning on gaming |
| 00:26.16 | caden_ | was dpkg supposed to send me something? |
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| 00:28.14 | Nanuq | JordiGH: I do, though only when there are a bunch of /s |
| 00:28.17 | dudeman | hella is not a word |
| 00:28.19 | caden_ | GeForce FX Go5600 is probably newer than GeForce2 right |
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| 00:28.30 | caden_ | but, what is a word, really |
| 00:28.35 | dudeman | those are legacy? I've no idea |
| 00:28.54 | p1ngp0ng | allright. im trying to setup my firefox using ssh tunnel, i've forwarded my local port 2000 to my ssh shells port 80, and whatever site im trying to enter, i end up at my webservers root. am i missing something here or what? |
| 00:28.54 | JordiGH | Nanuq: /\/\/\\/\/ |
| 00:28.55 | caden_ | so should i copy that whole crazy one line and run it as root? |
| 00:29.03 | dudeman | lol |
| 00:29.06 | extor | Are there any other OSD packages besides gnome-OSD and XOSD? I need something that allows me to customize fonts better |
| 00:29.12 | dudeman | !tell caden_ -about nvidia |
| 00:29.15 | caden_ | is fifo a word? is debian a word? |
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| 00:29.44 | JordiGH | caden_: Yeah, but it would help if you understood what each part of that line (except perhaps the sed) |
| 00:29.48 | JordiGH | does |
| 00:29.48 | dudeman | I don't use nvidia so I don't know but it seems like you don't need to build nvidia anymore |
| 00:30.03 | Nanuq | JordiGH: gah, a snake! |
| 00:30.03 | dudeman | I guess they provide binary packages only w/ modules |
| 00:30.26 | Nanuq | JordiGH: anyway, you asked, there's your answer. we all have our quirks. :) |
| 00:30.32 | caden_ | hah the sed is the only part i understand |
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| 00:31.19 | JordiGH | caden_: Then you need to read about apt, which is what makes Debian Debian. |
| 00:31.33 | dudeman | only 1 debian |
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| 00:32.36 | extor | Are there any largish debian help and discussion forum sites or is that more of an ubuntu thing? |
| 00:33.17 | stew | extor: forums.debian.net / debian-administration.org |
| 00:33.31 | extor | ahhh debian-administration sounds familiar |
| 00:33.57 | extor | Would it be true that most of the debian forum issues are server related and most of the ubuntu ones are desktop related issues? |
| 00:34.04 | stew | extor: no idea |
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| 00:34.21 | caden_ | i was exaggerating a little, i know apt is like the debian counterpart of rpm |
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| 00:34.43 | caden_ | however the first part of the line gives me 'Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-686' |
| 00:34.47 | jpinx | reckons apt is infinitely easier than rpm |
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| 00:36.09 | caden_ | maybe i have to add a non-standard source to my list of apt sources? |
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| 00:36.32 | jescis | How do I get nickserv and chanserv with the hybserv package on my irc server? |
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| 00:38.50 | klivian | Could someone tell me how I can edit my grub.cfg (I'm using grub2) to add a second Linux install? update-grub is not doing the trick, unfortunately. |
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| 00:41.32 | caden_ | i can see the package i want right here: http://packages.debian.org/etch/nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 |
| 00:41.38 | caden_ | come to me, package |
| 00:41.42 | caden_ | submit to my will |
| 00:41.52 | ham5 | klivian, its actually a .lst file u want to edit in grub folder |
| 00:42.27 | ham5 | take it else where caden_ ;) |
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| 00:43.51 | klivian | ham5, I have four .lst files in /boot/grub (command.lst, fs.lst, moddep.lst, and partmap.lst), but none of them look like things I should be editing. |
| 00:44.38 | caden_ | ok thanks for pointing me in the right direction |
| 00:44.47 | ham5 | klivian, bootup is serious business, should you be editing? |
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| 00:45.27 | ham5 | boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:45.31 | caden_ | the packages were not being shown in synaptic package manager because it filters out non-supported software by default |
| 00:45.51 | klivian | ham5, that's for grub, I'm using grub2, which uses /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 00:47.13 | toad_ | can failing the second disk in a raid1 array during a resync cause data corruption? |
| 00:47.38 | neonlightning | klivian, how is grub2 i've been wanting to give it a shot but didn't wanna screw up my bootloader |
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| 00:48.13 | geek | hmm... i've got a positively *geriatric* thinkpad (and A20P). for some reason i can't get sound to work. the lspci output is on http://pastebin.com/m5a6af886 |
| 00:48.32 | geek | any suggestions on drivers/configureations? |
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| 00:48.58 | stew | geek: have you tried alsaconf? |
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| 00:49.52 | civillian | How can I force dpkg to remove a package when it will break dependency? |
| 00:50.04 | amphi | geek: thinkwiki.org might have useful info |
| 00:50.30 | stew | civillian: why would you want to ? |
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| 00:50.35 | klivian | neonlightning, well, it's kinda similar to grub. I'm sure the underlying architecture is very different, but the outward appearance and operation is rather samey. And grub.cfg, which replaces menu.lst, is a little harder for me to understand. But it's more versatile--you can do cool things like make sure that changes to your grub.cfg persist, even when a new kernel is installed and a new config file is generated. |
| 00:51.21 | neonlightning | how seamless is it if i just have my one install of linux to set it up? |
| 00:51.34 | civillian | stew: i've borked the packages - think some fs corruption happened, I found snippets of my dhcpd.conf under /var/lib/dpkg/bzip2.prerm |
| 00:51.39 | geek | amphi: first place i looked. i can't find anything on that particular issue |
| 00:51.48 | klivian | neonlightning, unfortunately, as you can see from my query, I can't yet get grub2 to play nice with my other Linux partition (although it picked up my Windows partition just fine). If you have just one Linux it should be pretty seamless. |
| 00:51.56 | civillian | stew: /var/lib/dpkg/info/bzip2.prerm rather |
| 00:52.24 | civillian | stew: I'll reinstall it before the system gets to use bzip2 |
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| 00:52.37 | civillian | stew: just need to force it temporarily |
| 00:52.48 | geek | alsaconf didn't help |
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| 00:53.19 | stew | civillian: why not just reinstall it? |
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| 00:54.00 | stew | civillian: remiving it WILL call the .prerm, i don't think reinstall would |
| 00:54.15 | stew | geek: can you pastebin the output of "lspci -n" ? |
| 00:56.05 | civillian | stew: reinstall sounds good |
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| 00:56.20 | civillian | stew: Do you have the dpkg command for that handy? |
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| 00:56.34 | abrotman | aptitude reinstall pkg ? |
| 00:56.35 | stew | civillian: aptitude reinstall packagename |
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| 00:57.59 | octox2 | does anyone here like kde4 yet ? |
| 00:57.59 | civillian | stew: Think it worked.... doing more tests now |
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| 00:58.33 | abrotman | octox2: try #kde |
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| 00:59.24 | civillian | stew: thanks! Champion |
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| 01:00.23 | geek | stew: http://pastebin.com/md480110 |
| 01:01.44 | ham5 | anyone make a live pastebin viewer? |
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| 01:02.07 | stew | geek: wierd. it used to use the snd-cs46xx driver, but i don't know what happened to it, and now nothing is caliming to support it |
| 01:02.12 | stew | geek: you might ask in #alsa |
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| 01:03.04 | geek | stew: google seems to have turned up that it was removed for not being free enough *sigh* |
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| 01:03.09 | octox2 | abrotman: :) |
| 01:03.50 | geek | someone suggested a solution using module assistant i'm trying. its not a showstopper, but i'd like to get the old girl as functional as possible |
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| 01:07.39 | leoechevarria | hi everybody |
| 01:09.07 | leoechevarria | i need some help with dd if you can help me... i tried to 'copy' one partition to another with this command, and in the middle it cuts off and says me there's been an I/O error |
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| 01:09.28 | leoechevarria | do you have any idea of how to make dd retry reading or something? |
| 01:09.38 | leoechevarria | this drive is really messy and it's not working fine |
| 01:09.51 | leoechevarria | problems with dma and things like that |
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| 01:10.20 | toad_ | leoechevarria: try dd_rescue ? |
| 01:10.41 | leoechevarria | toad_: thanks for your answer |
| 01:10.46 | leoechevarria | not sure what it is |
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| 01:10.50 | leoechevarria | is it another command? |
| 01:10.59 | toad_ | it's a program, you'll need to install it |
| 01:11.14 | jpinx | leoechevarria: there's dd_rescue and ddrescue |
| 01:11.44 | jpinx | they are last-ditch hdd recovery tools |
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| 01:11.52 | christoz | can anyone tell me what's the difference between lenny and testing? |
| 01:11.53 | leoechevarria | toad_: anyway debian (which is installed in this partition i want to move) still works |
| 01:11.54 | christoz | please? |
| 01:11.57 | jpinx | read the man pages carefully before you start |
| 01:12.04 | leoechevarria | jpinx: toad_ are these programs in the repositories? |
| 01:12.04 | asg | christoz: at this point, nothing |
| 01:12.06 | toad_ | so apt-get install ddrescue |
| 01:12.15 | toad_ | or something like that |
| 01:12.15 | leoechevarria | thanks ! |
| 01:12.24 | christoz | asg ok check this message then W: Conflicting distribution: http://ftp.ntua.gr lenny-proposed-updates Release (expected lenny-proposed-updates but got testing-proposed-updates) |
| 01:12.24 | christoz | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 01:12.29 | jpinx | leoechevarria: yes - you can apt them |
| 01:12.33 | leoechevarria | christoz: they are the same nowadays |
| 01:12.42 | asg | christoz: it's testing, it's a bug. Check the bts |
| 01:12.56 | christoz | second bug in 2 days |
| 01:13.01 | asg | christoz: or you are using a mirror that is not fully synced |
| 01:13.08 | leoechevarria | ok |
| 01:13.10 | leoechevarria | thanks people |
| 01:13.14 | leoechevarria | bye! |
| 01:13.26 | asg | christoz: again, it's testing, it will have bugs. |
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| 01:13.48 | christoz | asg what version are you using? |
| 01:13.53 | asg | christoz: etch |
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| 01:13.59 | DynV | I know that to add text to file names you'd use the following command but wonder how could I remove part of file names : for i in PATTERN; do mv $i ADDITION-$i; done |
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| 01:14.11 | jpinx | christoz: the stable debian is currently etch |
| 01:14.13 | asg | DynV: try the 'rename' command |
| 01:14.29 | jpinx | anything else might be buggy |
| 01:14.34 | DynV | asg: what option could remove a pattern ? |
| 01:14.47 | christoz | i know i was there before the upgrade of lenny, i was encouraged to upgrade the distro |
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| 01:15.07 | christoz | and the result is not so tasty |
| 01:15.23 | asg | DynV: there are examples in the rename(1) manpage |
| 01:15.30 | jpinx | christoz: debian policy is apparently not to recommend anything but stable unless you really know what you're doing |
| 01:15.35 | DynV | asg: thank you ! |
| 01:16.17 | jpinx | christoz: etchnhalf (with the upgraded kernel) and backports will do a good job and be stable |
| 01:16.32 | DynV | asg: so I gather that it uses vi commands |
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| 01:16.52 | christoz | jpinx, i should ask before it was too late :( |
| 01:16.52 | asg | DynV: no, perl compatible regular expression |
| 01:17.03 | DynV | asg: cool |
| 01:17.19 | jpinx | christoz: not easy to rollback - sorry |
| 01:17.23 | christoz | ok, i will figure smth to solve this |
| 01:17.39 | jpinx | copy data out and reinstall |
| 01:17.55 | stencoremoi | any good free zip program for windows? |
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| 01:18.26 | jpinx | stencoremoi: try #windows |
| 01:18.38 | christoz | if i make a clean install with debian-testing ,the problem will not exist right? |
| 01:18.57 | jpinx | christoz: that is not stable |
| 01:19.06 | jpinx | it's testing and might be buggy |
| 01:20.08 | jhamlin | How can I get arial font in openoffice? I installed msttcorefonts but still no arial :( |
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| 01:28.03 | smacnay_ | for a lan with a mix of Mac, Windows, and linux, would you use nfs on top of samba (nfs for mac and lin)? |
| 01:28.17 | smacnay_ | I want to serve files from a central location to others on the lan |
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| 01:29.47 | asg | smacnay: you are probably better off using samba for both |
| 01:30.37 | smacnay | asg, ah, it is better for serving than nfs? How about for accessing the server to update and add files? samba or an ssh connection |
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| 01:31.15 | asg | smacnay: nfs is generally more performant but not as secure out of the box. For management of the server, ssh is the way to go |
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| 01:31.59 | smacnay | asg, I will only need to server up music, photos, and some home movies. |
| 01:32.11 | smacnay | asg, samba should be able to handle that. |
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| 01:32.15 | asg | smacnay: you should be fine with samba then |
| 01:32.33 | smacnay | asg, thanks for the input. that helps me a lot |
| 01:32.45 | asg | smacnay: even better if you have GigE connections on all machines / switches :) |
| 01:33.19 | smacnay | asg, not yet nor here |
| 01:33.31 | asg | no worries, 100Mbit should be just fine |
| 01:33.54 | smacnay | asg, cat5e cable through the house but all routers and switches (and eth cards) are 10/100 |
| 01:34.18 | asg | cool |
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| 01:40.10 | thatsright | what does it take to be allowed to submit a package to debian unstable? |
| 01:40.21 | dondelelcaro | thatsright: you have to be a Debian Developer |
| 01:40.24 | n-iCe | im using, cp -r html/* /var/www/torrentflux |
| 01:40.33 | n-iCe | says the source is not a directory, why |
| 01:40.43 | thatsright | dondelelcaro: how do you get that priveledge |
| 01:40.44 | dondelelcaro | thatsright: however, Developers can sponsor uploads for you if you are not. [You could also become a Debian Maintainer too, but that's slightly different.] |
| 01:41.22 | mohadib | n-iCe: what does file /var/www/torrentflux report ? |
| 01:41.25 | dondelelcaro | thatsright: you go through the new maintainer process, which almost always entails having a DD sponsor your contributions to debian for the first part. |
| 01:41.27 | mohadib | er |
| 01:42.01 | n-iCe | mohadib: /var/www/torrentflux: broken symbolic link to `/opt/torrentflux/html |
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| 01:42.19 | mohadib | that is not good |
| 01:42.30 | n-iCe | what should I do |
| 01:42.31 | n-iCe | :S |
| 01:42.31 | thatsright | dondelelcaro: ok makes sense. |
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| 01:42.55 | mohadib | Niamor: depends on where you want the files to actually go |
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| 01:43.10 | thatsright | dondelelcaro: on a side note do the debian developers get paid? |
| 01:43.31 | n-iCe | to /var/www/torrentflux/ |
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| 01:43.41 | n-iCe | mkdir /var/www/torrentflux |
| 01:43.41 | n-iCe | cd torrentflux-b4rt_1.0-beta1/ |
| 01:43.43 | n-iCe | cp -r html/* /var/www/torrentflux |
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| 01:43.54 | n-iCe | and chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www/torrentflux , are the instructions |
| 01:44.29 | mohadib | then remove the symlink and create a directory |
| 01:44.47 | mohadib | or recreate the symlink properly |
| 01:45.15 | p1ngp0ng | how do i make a executable script? |
| 01:45.24 | mohadib | chmod +x |
| 01:45.24 | dondelelcaro | thatsright: we don't |
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| 01:45.44 | p1ngp0ng | mohadib: thats it? i just make a text file called whatever and chmod it x? |
| 01:45.56 | dondelelcaro | thatsright: at least, not by Debian. Lots of developers have "real jobs", some of which pay them to work on Debian. |
| 01:46.03 | mohadib | well, you need a hash bang line at the top pointing at the correct interperter |
| 01:46.19 | mohadib | i.e. #!/bin/bash or #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 01:46.23 | p1ngp0ng | like /etc/ssh |
| 01:46.29 | p1ngp0ng | and then the command for ssh |
| 01:46.39 | mohadib | make a bash script |
| 01:47.27 | p1ngp0ng | so /etc/ssh/ssh and new line, then ssh -f -D port user@host -N | then save that and chmod x? |
| 01:49.58 | p1ngp0ng | ill just give it a try :) |
| 01:52.37 | Pavlz | hello |
| 01:52.51 | Pavlz | how to do an iso from shell ? |
| 01:53.08 | p1ngp0ng | it works :) |
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| 02:04.40 | n-iCe | is there a way to create to users with different roots? |
| 02:05.13 | jpinx | p1ngp0ng: how did you get that to work? |
| 02:05.15 | Django_Newbie | yes |
| 02:05.52 | jpinx | I create the file and chmod it 777 but it doesn't execute |
| 02:05.55 | Django_Newbie | n-iCe try urinating in the floppy drive |
| 02:06.16 | Django_Newbie | jpinx try puttin poo in the cd rom drive |
| 02:06.53 | jpinx | n-iCe: there is only one root |
| 02:07.07 | asg | n-iCe: you might wish to look at libpam-chroot |
| 02:07.09 | Django_Newbie | no |
| 02:07.22 | Django_Newbie | you can piss in the floppy drive and get multiple roots |
| 02:07.34 | abrotman | Django_Newbie: stop it |
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| 02:07.49 | Django_Newbie | abrotman if you eat poo |
| 02:07.54 | muddd | O_o |
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| 02:08.06 | p1ngp0ng | jpinx: sh file |
| 02:08.11 | asg | it would appear the poo is on the other foot |
| 02:08.28 | up365 | or under it |
| 02:08.59 | jpinx | p1ngp0ng: ta :D |
| 02:09.14 | jpinx | it "just works" (tm) |
| 02:09.33 | p1ngp0ng | now i want to figure out how to add that executable as a kernel modules :P |
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| 02:10.29 | jpinx | p1ngp0ng: that's a stretch for me - I've only just managed to upgrade the kernel ;) |
| 02:10.49 | jpinx | what are you trying to do? |
| 02:10.58 | p1ngp0ng | jpinx: i havent even goten that far. im still playing arround with the linux surroundings :P |
| 02:11.24 | jpinx | p1ngp0ng: the upgrade was just an apt-get |
| 02:11.37 | p1ngp0ng | jpinx: well, i want my executable to launch at boot. it contains command to setup ssh tunnels |
| 02:11.38 | jpinx | it was so easy I thought I'd done it wrong ;) |
| 02:11.45 | p1ngp0ng | lol |
| 02:12.11 | jpinx | is there not another way to get things to happen at boot time? |
| 02:12.13 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 02:12.13 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 02:12.34 | jpinx | yea - what he said |
| 02:12.34 | vagner | Is there a way of recovering my freenode password? Someone stole it :-( |
| 02:12.50 | p1ngp0ng | yeh, hes smart that one :P |
| 02:13.11 | jpinx | vagner ask in #freenode |
| 02:13.13 | asg | vagner: try nicely pestering an op in #freenode |
| 02:13.32 | jpinx | vagner - I lost mine a while ago and managed to get a freenode op to help me out |
| 02:13.40 | jpinx | nice guys there ;) |
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| 02:14.12 | jpinx | looks at /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 02:14.57 | p1ngp0ng | waits until later. |
| 02:15.14 | p1ngp0ng | is watching wall-e now ^ |
| 02:15.36 | jpinx | sheesh -- that looks complicated - I'll need to sleep first |
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| 02:27.27 | k-man_ | is there a way to create a high priority ssh login that will get more resources on a system that is under very heavy load, so you can do something about it |
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| 02:28.19 | Maulkin | have a look at 'nice' |
| 02:28.54 | abrotman | do your constituents know you don't sleep? |
| 02:29.23 | asg | abrotman: I'm not the president of elbonia |
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| 02:29.23 | Maulkin | abrotman: I'm in the US on a work trip :) |
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| 02:29.39 | Maulkin | It's 9:30pm here :) |
| 02:29.43 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 02:29.53 | Maulkin | So nyeh. |
| 02:29.55 | abrotman | eww .. you're in a fly-over state! |
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| 02:35.11 | muddd | ha |
| 02:35.34 | k-man_ | is there any other tools that will show you the load from the command line other than top? |
| 02:35.51 | jpinx | hola muddd: how's it hangin' |
| 02:36.00 | ham5 | k-man_, uptime? |
| 02:36.21 | k-man_ | thanks ham5 |
| 02:36.24 | abrotman | w |
| 02:37.23 | k-man_ | ham5: fyi, procinfo also seems interesting |
| 02:37.27 | asg | cat /proc/loadavg |
| 02:37.59 | ham5 | not installed on my machien |
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| 02:38.09 | k-man_ | ham5: had to install it here also |
| 02:38.13 | k-man_ | its apt-get able |
| 02:38.22 | ham5 | yup |
| 02:38.32 | muddd | all good jpinx just a relaxing monday night |
| 02:38.59 | muddd | fighting the urge to tinker with my computers. |
| 02:39.06 | jpinx | :) |
| 02:39.37 | jpinx | gave in a couple of hours ago and borked the desktop :-/ |
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| 02:43.57 | khin | i want to backup my 160 gb hitachi onto my external through usb, what is a good way to do this |
| 02:44.27 | jpinx | khin: scp - rsync |
| 02:44.59 | jpinx | or dd if it's a mirror you want |
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| 02:57.55 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
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| 02:57.56 | dpkg | <d0ugie> kickin it real on efnet, doing takeovers on #hack manually, typing really fast to mode -o everyone <sussudio> d0ugie: can you stop being a sad wanker? |
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| 03:00.34 | egypcio | http://pastebin.com/d6a699d87 .....any glue? ;( |
| 03:00.45 | abrotman | elmers only |
| 03:01.38 | abrotman | egypcio: there's an error there? |
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| 03:02.35 | egypcio | abrotman; ja.... can't find the gns-3 package ;( |
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| 03:04.25 | egypcio | think this mirror is broken |
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| 03:06.25 | abrotman | hrm .. all look sfine .. |
| 03:06.32 | abrotman | apt-get update make any difference? |
| 03:07.01 | egypcio | not |
| 03:07.09 | egypcio | ;( |
| 03:08.04 | egypcio | can use the source, but... well... havin this apt "feature" to install the package will be nice |
| 03:08.32 | abrotman | egypcio: what architecture is your system ? |
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| 03:09.18 | smacnay | hmm, I am setting up a samba server on my lan. The shares are not visible with a file browser like nautilus but I can connect to them using smbclient. |
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| 03:09.39 | abrotman | egypcio: ? |
| 03:11.37 | egypcio | abrotman; amd64 |
| 03:11.41 | egypcio | hmm.. |
| 03:11.47 | abrotman | egypcio: packages are i386 only |
| 03:11.54 | abrotman | enjoy the src packages |
| 03:11.55 | egypcio | DUH! |
| 03:12.01 | egypcio | d; |
| 03:12.05 | abrotman | yay .. now i can sleep |
| 03:12.12 | egypcio | 2 |
| 03:12.42 | egypcio | rotfl... dumb 'mistake' |
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| 03:19.33 | pobega | Anyone know how to play .pls streams? |
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| 03:20.16 | ham5 | totem, gnome default player? |
| 03:20.52 | pobega | ham5: Do you have experience with it working in Totem, or are you just guessing? |
| 03:21.02 | ham5 | shoutcast all the time |
| 03:21.08 | pobega | I'm only asking cause I'm on an Eee PC and I don't wanna waste SSD space |
| 03:21.11 | pobega | It's precious x.x |
| 03:21.28 | pobega | I will try totem, thanks |
| 03:21.59 | ham5 | mmhuh |
| 03:22.00 | pobega | Oh wow. Anything less...library heavy? It wants to bring in practically all of GNOME |
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| 03:22.15 | ham5 | nodoubt |
| 03:22.32 | ham5 | its a xine player |
| 03:22.36 | ham5 | look for others? |
| 03:22.39 | ham5 | thats just a guess tho |
| 03:24.01 | jpinx | xmms maybe? |
| 03:24.11 | jpinx | that's another guess ;) |
| 03:24.31 | pobega | I don't think xmms is in Debian's repositories anymore, actually. |
| 03:24.38 | smacnay | weird - when running firefox over an X/ssh tunnel connection and then trying to run firefox on this end, I get a second instance of firefox that is on the remote machine |
| 03:24.39 | pobega | Last I checked it wasn't, at least |
| 03:24.55 | jpinx | mourns the loss |
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| 03:25.25 | jpinx | pobega: debian package list is your friend |
| 03:26.19 | pobega | jpinx: I've searched through packages, I just don't know what would play it. |
| 03:26.41 | jpinx | you're looking for something lightweight - so look at the package details |
| 03:26.52 | pobega | jpinx: Yeah, I am going to give Audacious a try. |
| 03:26.56 | dudeman | xmms2? |
| 03:27.01 | jpinx | and read the spec to see what they will do - there's lots of players |
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| 03:27.04 | dudeman | dude |
| 03:27.06 | dudeman | !amarok |
| 03:27.07 | dpkg | somebody said amarok was THE audio player for KDE, or #amarok @ irc.freenode.net |
| 03:27.12 | dudeman | amarok is the best |
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| 03:27.27 | jpinx | dudeman - if there's an xmms2 you've made my night |
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| 03:27.41 | pobega | jpinx: There is, but it's a fork and it isn't anywhere near as good. |
| 03:27.50 | jpinx | :( |
| 03:27.52 | pobega | I've also found that it uses a lot of processing power over time, un needed. |
| 03:28.00 | dudeman | isn't there an xmms2? |
| 03:28.03 | dudeman | !xmms |
| 03:28.04 | dpkg | [xmms] the old X MultiMedia System media player. It has been removed from Debian (although it is still in etch), see http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms/news/20080302T105714Z.html) For alternatives, look at <xmms2>, <rhythmbox>, <amarok>, exaile, songbird, quod libet ... see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00026.html for removal reasons |
| 03:28.07 | dudeman | yeh there is |
| 03:28.10 | dudeman | !xmms2 |
| 03:28.11 | dpkg | hmm... xmms2 is currently in development state. check http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/Download_XMMS2#Debian |
| 03:28.26 | pobega | xmms2 = lame |
| 03:28.30 | pobega | moc = far better |
| 03:28.47 | jpinx | does moc not play your .pls streams? |
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| 03:30.03 | dudeman | what is moc? |
| 03:30.08 | dudeman | master of chaos? |
| 03:30.19 | pobega | Music on Console |
| 03:30.23 | dudeman | oh |
| 03:31.12 | pobega | Audacious is a success! |
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| 03:31.30 | ham5 | small too huh? |
| 03:31.36 | pobega | Off-topic; Anyone know of a good streaming rock station? Hah |
| 03:31.48 | ham5 | shoutcast |
| 03:31.56 | ham5 | aol ftw ;) |
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| 03:32.31 | streuner_ | shoutcast isn't free |
| 03:32.41 | groove | hi, when building a deb repo, where do i put the *.changes files? |
| 03:32.44 | ham5 | ?? |
| 03:32.45 | pobega | ham5: Thanks |
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| 03:33.58 | dmoerner | groove: normally you put it in the incoming directory that debarchiver points to, presuming you are using that tool |
| 03:34.00 | streuner_ | ham5: misread that, thought of shoutcast (server) |
| 03:34.16 | ham5 | streuner_, punk |
| 03:34.18 | ham5 | ;) |
| 03:34.19 | dmoerner | if you were using dak you wouldn't have to ask :) |
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| 03:35.00 | streuner_ | !blairsmite ham5 |
| 03:35.00 | dpkg | spins ham5 at 3000000000 rpm, while telling him that Wales could attack within 30 minutes repeatedly. |
| 03:35.20 | ham5 | orly |
| 03:35.23 | dudeman | snakenet metal radio! |
| 03:35.34 | dudeman | chronixagression radio |
| 03:35.40 | dudeman | tons man , google for online rock radio? |
| 03:35.53 | ham5 | chronix is gud |
| 03:35.59 | dudeman | or actually metal is better but whatever. |
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| 03:36.09 | dudeman | rock is for wimps :) |
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| 03:36.56 | streuner_ | well, the term Rock describes almost all music in modern world :-) |
| 03:37.03 | dudeman | what? |
| 03:37.08 | dudeman | bs |
| 03:37.11 | dudeman | #music |
| 03:37.15 | jpinx | get outta here |
| 03:37.17 | dudeman | and i'll tell you all about it |
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| 03:37.34 | dudeman | come to #music for offtopic goodness |
| 03:37.38 | streuner_ | hm, you sounds like stoned :-) |
| 03:37.41 | dudeman | debate there |
| 03:37.48 | dudeman | streuner_, you 'tard |
| 03:37.56 | dudeman | smacks streuner_ upside da head |
| 03:37.59 | streuner_ | haha |
| 03:38.02 | dudeman | oye grampa |
| 03:38.04 | dudeman | its me :) |
| 03:38.33 | streuner_ | nobody else is so, it MUST be stoned, i knew it :-) |
| 03:38.41 | dudeman | :) |
| 03:38.57 | dudeman | where you been for a few days haven't seen y ain a while |
| 03:39.09 | streuner_ | busy, busy, busy |
| 03:39.12 | dudeman | streuner_, I bought www.opensourcewebdevelopment.info (mouthful aint it) and gonna get that shit goin |
| 03:39.18 | dudeman | me too man I'm now developer of php! |
| 03:39.25 | streuner_ | heh |
| 03:39.46 | dudeman | streuner_, actually if you' dbe dind enough to join us in #opensourcewebdevelopment |
| 03:39.52 | dudeman | :D (/me is done spaming) |
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| 03:40.35 | dudeman | ham5, do not msg me |
| 03:40.40 | ham5 | o |
| 03:40.41 | dudeman | ham5, go to #freenode and ask there |
| 03:40.56 | dudeman | ham5, register nickname, add nick to group, ask a irc oper to give you a cloak |
| 03:41.05 | ham5 | icthx |
| 03:41.06 | dudeman | they will give you directions on what to do once in #freenode |
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| 03:41.33 | groove | dmoerner: so for an internal company repo, i don't need the changes files? |
| 03:41.38 | groove | thanks |
| 03:42.50 | smacnay | well moving files on a lan with samba is not too fast... |
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| 03:43.46 | streuner_ | somebody told you the tric :-) |
| 03:43.58 | streuner_ | remember? ;-) |
| 03:45.21 | streuner_ | smacnay> asg, cat5e cable through the house but all routers and switches (and eth cards) are 10/100 |
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| 03:45.40 | streuner_ | get some faster switches and NICs... |
| 03:46.00 | dudeman | lol |
| 03:46.05 | dudeman | simple solution |
| 03:46.16 | streuner_ | yep |
| 03:46.16 | smacnay | streuner_, that will come with newer computers... |
| 03:46.41 | streuner_ | even with 100 its usually fast enough |
| 03:46.48 | smacnay | sure... |
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| 03:47.04 | streuner_ | but 10 is a nightmare ;-) |
| 03:47.29 | chumpalump | pobega: thx for the moc tip, slick interface |
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| 03:51.18 | dudeman | 1000! |
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| 03:53.38 | jester54 | use nfs its better than samba unless your giving it to windows machines |
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| 04:03.46 | extor | Can gnome-osd print text in anything but that firefly green? |
| 04:04.17 | penguinraj | Hi All...I have downloaded debian lenny recently..It is unable to identify my monitor in desktop...But works fine with laptop...Are any drivers missing? |
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| 04:59.49 | Lagbolt | quiet in here |
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| 05:00.34 | Ace2016_- | yup sure is |
| 05:01.59 | dmoerner | everyone is too busy fixing rc bugs i guess |
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| 05:03.36 | bluequijote | I have a problem with acpi on my laptop |
| 05:03.52 | bluequijote | I try to load modprobe acpi |
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| 05:03.57 | bluequijote | modprobe acpi |
| 05:04.01 | bluequijote | WARNING: Error inserting processor (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/acpi/processor.ko): No such device |
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| 05:04.34 | bluequijote | someone can help me? |
| 05:04.46 | dmoerner | does linux support acpi on your chipset? did you boot with acpi=off on your kernel line? why are you trying to modprobe acpi? I don't have a module by that name |
| 05:05.34 | bluequijote | I try first modprobe powernow-k8 |
| 05:05.45 | bluequijote | but I have same problem |
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| 05:06.09 | dmoerner | what about modprobe acpi-cpufreq? |
| 05:06.12 | bluequijote | How I know that linux support my chipset? |
| 05:06.34 | dmoerner | i mean i'm pretty sure you won't get frequency scaling on the newest phenoms or on core 2 quads |
| 05:06.45 | dmoerner | what kind of processor/motherboard do you have? |
| 05:06.58 | bluequijote | modprobe acpi-cpufreq |
| 05:07.01 | bluequijote | WARNING: Error inserting processor (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/acpi/processor.ko): No such device |
| 05:07.20 | bluequijote | I have amd 64 x2 |
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| 05:09.44 | Lagbolt | bluequijote, whats is your m/b? |
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| 05:10.04 | bluequijote | when my laptop start say -- > Command line: root=/dev/sda5 ro acpi=off quiet |
| 05:10.13 | bluequijote | my m/b? |
| 05:10.30 | Lagbolt | m/b = motherboard |
| 05:10.43 | Lagbolt | its a laptop eh, who makes it? do you have model #? |
| 05:10.48 | bluequijote | I have a hp tx2500 |
| 05:11.12 | bluequijote | it is a tablet |
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| 05:11.46 | Lagbolt | ah isee. looks nice |
| 05:12.04 | Lagbolt | looks like cpu scaling is an issue for that machine |
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| 05:12.52 | bluequijote | ... but the fan is always working... |
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| 05:14.08 | bluequijote | And when I try turn off the laptop just close everything but never cut the energy... |
| 05:14.11 | Lagbolt | hmm i am looking around. there is a lot of people installing ubuntu on it and talking about these issues |
| 05:14.51 | Lagbolt | maybe the zm-80 is not supported well yet in linux kern. i am just googling a bit |
| 05:15.14 | bluequijote | yes I am reading about it... |
| 05:15.43 | bluequijote | but I can control the fan and energy in other way? |
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| 05:17.50 | Lagbolt | bluequijote, check bios settings on the fan? |
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| 05:18.12 | bluequijote | what do you mean? |
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| 05:19.08 | bluequijote | do you mean that I need going to the bios and work something on the fan? |
| 05:19.24 | Lagbolt | bluequijote, well i am not sure what you mean. do you want to control the fan speed? and settings? |
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| 05:19.38 | Lagbolt | if so you can check the bios. sometimes they have fan controls there for temp/fan speed |
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| 05:19.45 | bluequijote | I want to control that energy |
| 05:20.04 | bluequijote | when I shut down... the laptop never cut the energy |
| 05:20.30 | Lagbolt | cut the energy? |
| 05:20.33 | Lagbolt | it doesnt turn off? |
| 05:20.34 | bluequijote | debian close everything... |
| 05:20.39 | bluequijote | never |
| 05:20.53 | bluequijote | never turn off complete |
| 05:21.37 | dmoerner | that's probably a problem with it failing to unload a module, as is the case with the eeepc. have you googled this problem? have you shut it down from a tty (ctrl+alt+F1) and looked for errors? |
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| 05:22.06 | bluequijote | look it http://gentoo-wiki.com/HP_Pavilion_tx2500 |
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| 05:22.11 | bluequijote | no... |
| 05:22.18 | bluequijote | let me try it |
| 05:22.28 | bluequijote | I be back... |
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| 05:30.17 | bluequijote | will now halt |
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| 05:30.26 | bluequijote | system halted |
| 05:30.43 | bluequijote | and never turn off |
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| 05:47.41 | Throat | bluequijote, if it sais "system halted" in the last line, but doesn't turn off, you didn't have the acpi module loaded, IIRC |
| 05:47.49 | Throat | formerly apm(?) |
| 05:48.51 | Throat | hm, didn't have to bother with that for long |
| 05:49.01 | Throat | and everythings different now :) |
| 05:49.36 | bluequijote | yes |
| 05:50.08 | Throat | not sure - perhaps module "ac" |
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| 05:50.57 | bluequijote | I don't have acpi module loaded |
| 05:51.16 | Throat | no, there is no module of that name (in 2.6.26) |
| 05:51.39 | Throat | look in /lib/modules/-your-kernel-version-/kernel/drivers/acpi/ |
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| 05:51.57 | Throat | I think it should be the ac or button module |
| 05:52.12 | bluequijote | what do you mean?... that I need load apm module? |
| 05:52.22 | Throat | what kernel do you use? |
| 05:52.36 | bluequijote | 26.1 |
| 05:52.43 | Throat | I don't tink apm exists anymore in the more recent 2.6.X kernels |
| 05:52.57 | Throat | !apm |
| 05:52.57 | dpkg | hmm... apm is Advanced Power Management, a long-obsolete standard that allowed the BIOS to handle power management on PC-compatibles. but ACPI is better (somewhat). See also <swsusp> |
| 05:52.59 | Throat | right |
| 05:53.02 | simonrvn | it does |
| 05:53.24 | Throat | oh, indeed |
| 05:53.31 | Throat | right - but I cannot load it anymore |
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| 05:53.45 | Throat | "no such device" |
| 05:53.59 | Throat | that's as good as gone for me :) |
| 05:55.11 | bluequijote | what I need to see inside /lib/modules/-your-kernel-version-/kernel/drivers/acpi/ |
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| 05:55.40 | Throat | your acpi driver kernel modules? |
| 05:55.50 | bluequijote | yea |
| 05:56.02 | Throat | /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/acpi/ |
| 05:56.04 | bluequijote | ac.ko bay.co dock.co |
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| 05:56.27 | bluequijote | asus_acpi.co button.ko |
| 05:56.36 | bluequijote | ko... sorry |
| 05:56.55 | Throat | yes |
| 05:56.56 | bluequijote | container.ko |
| 05:57.00 | bluequijote | so? |
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| 05:57.06 | Throat | not exactly sure which one does the switching-off |
| 05:57.34 | Throat | but if you get "system halted" and then nothing, I would guess that it's one of those that would do it if it was loaded |
| 05:57.45 | bluequijote | I have not idea... |
| 05:57.54 | bluequijote | ah ok |
| 05:58.11 | Throat | just try loading the more likely ones and see if it switches off |
| 05:58.23 | bluequijote | let me see... |
| 05:58.30 | Throat | ac and button sound suspiciously like it |
| 05:59.01 | Throat | possibly one of the *_acpi, as these seem to be for chipsets where some generic code doesnt work (?) |
| 05:59.05 | Throat | but I'm also just guessing |
| 05:59.34 | bluequijote | FATAL: Module button.ko not found |
| 05:59.41 | bluequijote | FATAL: Module ac.ko not found |
| 06:00.14 | bluequijote | it modules don't load |
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| 06:01.07 | Throat | modprobe ac |
| 06:01.13 | Throat | you don't write the .ko |
| 06:01.51 | bluequijote | FATAL: error inserting ac |
| 06:02.01 | bluequijote | ... |
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| 06:02.05 | Throat | hm, what's the problem with it? |
| 06:02.14 | bluequijote | No such divece |
| 06:02.21 | Throat | but that... explains things... |
| 06:02.23 | Throat | hm |
| 06:02.44 | bluequijote | what? |
| 06:03.02 | Throat | what does dmesg say? |
| 06:03.03 | linostar | hi, can anyone suggest me a software able to convert tv-tuner output to raw video file (e.g. avi) |
| 06:04.20 | Throat | linostar, perhaps mencoder? (not sure if it can read the tuner output, but think it should from the manpage) |
| 06:04.49 | bluequijote | Command line: root=/dev/sda5 ro acpi=off quiet |
| 06:05.08 | Throat | bluequijote, that's what you start your kernel with? |
| 06:05.24 | bluequijote | dmesg say it |
| 06:05.31 | Throat | bluequijote, well, yes - that is why you don't have acpi |
| 06:05.32 | bluequijote | first line |
| 06:05.49 | Throat | your kernel is started with an option to turn it off - probably because it made some problems? |
| 06:06.17 | Throat | you must have configured that when installing(?) - this is not default |
| 06:06.18 | bluequijote | how I start acpi and try? |
| 06:06.54 | Throat | who installed that machine? |
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| 06:07.28 | bluequijote | I install it |
| 06:07.53 | Throat | then you must have put that kernel option... |
| 06:08.04 | bluequijote | but I never change nothing... meaby when I try to load the installer... |
| 06:08.18 | Throat | are you using grub or lilo or something else? |
| 06:08.20 | bluequijote | noapic nolapic |
| 06:08.36 | zeeble | heh |
| 06:08.46 | bluequijote | grub |
| 06:08.58 | linostar | Throat, it appears that mencoder can read the tuner output. I will try it. Thanks |
| 06:09.01 | Throat | look in /etc/grub/boot/menu.lst |
| 06:09.27 | Throat | linostar, there's also transcode (which I remember even less about) |
| 06:09.31 | Throat | ffmpeg(?) |
| 06:09.46 | Throat | but I think transcode just uses some encoder... |
| 06:10.26 | bluequijote | Yes, I am in menu.lst |
| 06:10.28 | Throat | linostar, not sure if mencoder/mplayer is in the normal debian repository, if not, look at debian-multimedia |
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| 06:11.00 | linostar | Throat, I already had them installed |
| 06:11.02 | Throat | bluequijote, well, is there some acpi=off in menu.list |
| 06:11.25 | bluequijote | # kopt=root=/dev/sda5 ro acpi=off |
| 06:11.26 | Throat | linostar, well, ok :) |
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| 06:12.34 | bluequijote | can I change it and reboot? |
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| 06:12.40 | bluequijote | acpi=on? |
| 06:12.42 | Throat | hm |
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| 06:12.50 | Throat | I find the comment in front of it confusing |
| 06:13.04 | bluequijote | but I can try |
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| 06:13.24 | Throat | yeah.. I think it's possible that grub lookes into the singly-commented stuff |
| 06:13.24 | bluequijote | acpi=on? |
| 06:13.27 | jelly-home | Throat: that comment is special. |
| 06:13.31 | Throat | yeah |
| 06:13.42 | bluequijote | let me try |
| 06:13.45 | Throat | jelly-home, I distinctly remember... still weird |
| 06:13.56 | Throat | bluequijote, but - beware, if that acpi=off was there for a reason |
| 06:14.00 | jelly-home | Throat: update-grub uses those to generate real entries |
| 06:14.03 | Throat | bluequijote, you might not be able to reboot |
| 06:14.06 | bluequijote | let me try |
| 06:14.15 | Throat | bluequijote, ah, yes - and run update-grub |
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| 06:15.40 | Throat | jelly-home, it's still confusing the hell out of me every time... would be nice if the explanation in the file was a bit better... |
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| 06:16.46 | zeeble | what if you have a acpi=off somewhere and acpi=force too? |
| 06:17.07 | Throat | why I was actually dropping by... my mozilla suddenly doesn't open pdf's anymore... |
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| 06:17.27 | Throat | zeeble, a fire breaks out when you start the computer |
| 06:17.47 | zeeble | heh, i'll see what happens. will try that out |
| 06:17.52 | zeeble | but not now... |
| 06:18.06 | Throat | zeeble, a tsunami wipes you away on boot-up |
| 06:18.15 | zeeble | :p |
| 06:18.36 | Throat | "don't do that at home" :-P |
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| 06:19.28 | Throat | any idea how to find out why mozilla doesn't open the pdf's anymore? |
| 06:20.01 | Throat | I checked the list of applications - and there is no application/pdf or somesuch in there anymore |
| 06:20.11 | Throat | and one can't add new document types :( |
| 06:20.37 | zeeble | there's no helper app for pdfs? |
| 06:20.58 | Throat | dunno, there are no pdfs in that list anymore |
| 06:21.26 | Throat | and sometimes firef... er, iceweasel asks me what to use, and when I say xpdf, nothing happens |
| 06:21.29 | zeeble | you dont have acrobat or anything instealled? |
| 06:22.01 | Throat | don't think so |
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| 06:22.20 | dondelelcaro | Throat: most likely you don't have it listed as a helper; it doesn't use the mailcap anymore, so that's probably also confusing |
| 06:22.24 | Throat | hm, it's downloading them automatically to the download-folder now |
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| 06:22.37 | zeeble | hmm. dunno, i use acrobat |
| 06:23.08 | Throat | dondelelcaro, well, what does it use? it's not in the helper list, I can't see anything in about:config |
| 06:23.25 | dondelelcaro | Throat: which version of iceweasel are you using? |
| 06:23.25 | Throat | and I'm not even sure it stopped working on an update... |
| 06:23.42 | Throat | 3.0 |
| 06:23.44 | bluequijote | throat... the laptop shut down now |
| 06:23.47 | Throat | hm, so it probably was an update |
| 06:23.53 | Throat | bluequijote, good on yer! |
| 06:23.58 | zeeble | there was a mozilla-acroread plugin.. dunno what happened when the shift to iceweasel happened |
| 06:24.00 | bluequijote | ys |
| 06:24.09 | dondelelcaro | Throat: visit preferences, and then the application bit, and switch the Portable Document bit to use Document Reader or xpdf or similar |
| 06:24.26 | bluequijote | thank you... now I need to know why it was off |
| 06:24.30 | Throat | dondelelcaro, there is no portable document thingy there |
| 06:24.30 | dondelelcaro | (you've got it set on save now) |
| 06:24.41 | dondelelcaro | Throat: then add one |
| 06:24.49 | Throat | there is no option to add stuff |
| 06:25.11 | Throat | but let me look, I only searched for "PDF" if they call it portable document |
| 06:25.14 | Throat | I might have overlooked |
| 06:25.29 | dondelelcaro | (and it's not in about:config; there should only be a few listed) |
| 06:25.47 | Throat | dondelelcaro, yes! it's called portable document format (and no "pdf" in the name) |
| 06:26.19 | dondelelcaro | Throat: yes... that's why I said "Portable Document bit", not pdf... |
| 06:26.19 | Throat | all that was the first thing I tried - I just couldn't find the entry! :) |
| 06:26.36 | dondelelcaro | but anyway, you've found it now. |
| 06:26.41 | Throat | yes, thanks |
| 06:26.52 | Agiofws | hello |
| 06:26.54 | Throat | great |
| 06:27.01 | Throat | this was irking me quite a bit |
| 06:27.20 | zeeble | you actually like to view the pdf files within the browser? |
| 06:27.27 | Agiofws | how can i install wine >= 1.1.3 in debian .. cause its package manager only installs version1.0.0 |
| 06:27.33 | Throat | zeeble, no, I hate that :) |
| 06:27.43 | jelly-home | Agiofws: wait for it to be packaged? |
| 06:27.46 | zeeble | Throat: ah, ok. |
| 06:27.59 | Agiofws | jelly, don't want to wait |
| 06:28.39 | dondelelcaro | Agiofws: then help package it |
| 06:28.39 | Throat | winehq distributes their own .deb packages |
| 06:28.51 | dondelelcaro | Agiofws: the wine party needs more people to help |
| 06:28.57 | dondelelcaro | (unfortunatly, the winehq packages are rather crappy) |
| 06:29.09 | jelly-home | Agiofws: then build one from source in /usr/local, or make a backport |
| 06:30.37 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: dunno, at least they seem to have the conflicts right and remove all of debian's itty nitty million wine packages when installed |
| 06:31.03 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: yeah, that's part of the problem |
| 06:31.11 | jelly-home | (making it hard to install your particular subset back, yes) |
| 06:31.12 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: they basically ignored why the packages were split out that way |
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| 06:31.41 | Throat | dondelelcaro, well, thanks, great job there - I could have searched for days in that list, looking for the wrong string :) |
| 06:31.45 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: I sure hope it wasn't because of disk space. :-) |
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| 06:32.35 | zeeble | do those commercial wine packages like crossover office etc still exist? |
| 06:32.47 | jelly-home | they do |
| 06:33.07 | jelly-home | cxoffice is alive and kicking |
| 06:33.25 | zeeble | making every mac and linux desktop windows compatible |
| 06:33.31 | zeeble | that's their marketing line |
| 06:33.49 | jelly-home | for a particular set of windows apps, yes |
| 06:34.19 | Throat | zeeble, cool, does that means the newest worms and virii will run on my machine? :) |
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| 06:35.31 | mohadib_ | any idea why i get this error many times while copying to a disk hooked up vi eSata http://www.papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/2607/ |
| 06:35.46 | steven_ | anyone know how to send an F8 keypress to machine when using ilo VSP over ssh ? |
| 06:35.51 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: no; the main issue is the sound bits. (they should have also split out the docs too) |
| 06:36.10 | dondelelcaro | the latter, because wasting space on our mirrors is bad |
| 06:36.12 | omry | dns question: can a server host domain.com, and ns1.domain.com? if so, where will ns1.domain.com be mapped to the ip of the server? |
| 06:36.19 | dondelelcaro | omry: yes |
| 06:36.29 | dondelelcaro | omry: via glue records if necessary |
| 06:36.43 | omry | dondelelcaro, on which dns server? |
| 06:36.59 | Agiofws | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUv6IukojLc |
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| 06:41.09 | kenboo | Is there a separate package of LAPACK for SMP ? |
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| 06:41.54 | kenboo | I'm using numpy + python but it only uses a single cpu when calculating matrix. |
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| 06:45.11 | gamla_kossan | whyyyyyyyyyy............ must it be so difficult to understand /etc/network/interfaces :( |
| 06:45.27 | gamla_kossan | if only they could start making it more fedora/rhel-like. |
| 06:45.30 | k-os | gamla_kossan, you are thinking too hard |
| 06:45.33 | gamla_kossan | runs for cover |
| 06:45.34 | Throat | gamla_kossan, because! |
| 06:45.35 | gamla_kossan | :> |
| 06:45.48 | gamla_kossan | Throat: dammit! |
| 06:45.49 | gamla_kossan | :> |
| 06:46.05 | gamla_kossan | k-os: actually, I'm not sure anymore.. :> |
| 06:46.28 | jelly-home | gamla_kossan: because /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/if* is _so_ much easier? |
| 06:46.33 | k-os | what is so hard for you to comprehend about it? |
| 06:46.35 | Throat | anyways, it's not really complicate |
| 06:46.37 | Throat | d |
| 06:46.40 | gamla_kossan | jelly-home: oh hell yes they are :> |
| 06:46.54 | Throat | jelly-home, hehe |
| 06:47.06 | gamla_kossan | jelly-home: also, since it's a longer path it means it's a cooler way to do it :> |
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| 06:47.16 | simonrvn | !lart gamla_kossan |
| 06:47.16 | dpkg | nabs the moon and broadsides gamla_kossan with the sea of tranquility |
| 06:47.22 | gamla_kossan | noooooooo |
| 06:47.24 | gamla_kossan | :>> |
| 06:48.37 | gamla_kossan | ok.. so the options are: 1. make this work 2. make an entry in rc.local (I'm sure that will sit just fine with my boss :) 3. go for a cigarette |
| 06:48.51 | gamla_kossan | right now I'm rooting a little for nr 3.. |
| 06:49.13 | simonrvn | 3. then you have thinking fuel |
| 06:49.18 | gamla_kossan | hehe |
| 06:49.20 | gamla_kossan | :> |
| 06:49.21 | simonrvn | to do 1. |
| 06:49.23 | Throat | just copy a working interfaces from somewhere |
| 06:49.37 | simonrvn | has a #3 also |
| 06:49.51 | Throat | cocaine probably works better |
| 06:50.08 | simonrvn | not for me |
| 06:50.12 | gamla_kossan | Throat: can't do that really; all the servers here at the office are anything but debian actually |
| 06:50.57 | Throat | simonrvn, I think cocaine makes you overestimate your abilities vastly - so at least you *think* you found a solution :) |
| 06:50.58 | gamla_kossan | Throat: cocaine? are you nuts? only thing that happens to people who do cocaine is that they get incredibly full of themselves, and can't stop talking about it |
| 06:51.02 | dondelelcaro | gamla_kossan: it's simple. man 5 interfaces; |
| 06:51.02 | gamla_kossan | shudders |
| 06:51.19 | gamla_kossan | Throat: :> |
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| 06:51.33 | Throat | gamla_kossan, yeah - that;s what I said - you do some crap with the interfaces, then go to your boss and boast about it :-P |
| 06:51.35 | dondelelcaro | gamla_kossan: if you have questions about it, you can ask here. |
| 06:51.35 | gamla_kossan | dondelelcaro: aye, thanks, already there actually :> |
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| 06:51.54 | gamla_kossan | Throat: hehe.. |
| 06:52.03 | dondelelcaro | so... what's the problem then? |
| 06:52.15 | simonrvn | i tried that stuff a couple times, never got buzzed... |
| 06:52.27 | k-os | dondelelcaro, understanding what he reads maybe? |
| 06:52.39 | Guerin | so it seems google chrome is actually free software |
| 06:52.43 | Guerin | fancy that |
| 06:52.55 | gamla_kossan | dondelelcaro: honestly, right now the problem is "god dammit I hate this file so much", so I'm actually going out for fag atm.. but I'll be black! :> |
| 06:53.17 | dondelelcaro | uh... ok. It's not like it's terribly complicated |
| 06:53.28 | k-os | he's out t get a fag...? |
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| 06:53.46 | Guerin | k-os: to have one, yes. |
| 06:53.52 | k-os | i hope that word has a different meaning i just don't know yet' |
| 06:53.56 | Throat | perhaps they grow on trees where he lives :) |
| 06:54.02 | Guerin | k-os: why? |
| 06:54.04 | steven_ | seriously how the hell do you use F8 with ilo VSP this is driving me nuts! |
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| 06:54.11 | Throat | k-os, "cigarette"? |
| 06:54.14 | dondelelcaro | Throat: only parts of them do |
| 06:54.18 | k-os | Guerin, out t o get a fag? |
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| 06:54.35 | Throat | dondelelcaro, now that you mention it... |
| 06:54.47 | Guerin | k-os: wow, you almost copied the exact text above |
| 06:55.01 | Guerin | k-os: if you try really hard you might learn copy and paste next |
| 06:55.09 | Throat | dondelelcaro, although there is a bush that grows some in "the last continent"... but I guess we're going too far OT |
| 06:55.19 | Agiofws | anyone tell me whats wrong here ? |
| 06:55.32 | badserii | Hi! is there such a package mysql-devel for debian sarge? I can't find it. Thank you in advance! |
| 06:55.36 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/26074 |
| 06:55.36 | Guerin | Agiofws: the problem is that you didn't ask a wuestion. |
| 06:55.43 | k-os | Guerin, i got a day off, so i got time to re-write rather than go for a cheap shortcut ;) |
| 06:55.48 | Agiofws | Guerin, ^^ |
| 06:55.57 | simonrvn | badserii: hint mysql dev |
| 06:56.02 | dondelelcaro | Agiofws: welcome to the problems with the wine packages. |
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| 06:56.11 | badserii | simonrvn: thankyou! |
| 06:56.19 | dondelelcaro | as in, "they're fundamentally broken" |
| 06:56.20 | Agiofws | what should i do ? |
| 06:56.33 | Throat | Agiofws, yes, you tried to install the wine package from winehq :-P |
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| 06:56.48 | dondelelcaro | !tell Agiofws -about force-overwrite |
| 06:57.00 | Throat | Agiofws, or try removing libwine... (and fear what other packages depend on it) |
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| 06:58.26 | christoz | Agiofws, is your debian upgraded from etch? |
| 06:58.29 | Throat | Agiofws, care to tell us why you showed us that as an image instead of text? |
| 06:59.16 | Agiofws | Throat, easier for me just a press a key crop and its gets sent to xchats current channel |
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| 06:59.59 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/26075 |
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| 07:00.15 | nxmehta | is there a way to have a machine's domain name set automatically (from dhcp? or dns?), or is the only way to set the fqdn correctly by editing /etc/hosts? |
| 07:00.35 | baradude | hi. i'm looking for a way to allow users on Windows to be able to SFTP into Linux boxes using public-key authentication without having to replicate all the user accounts from AD onto the Linux boxes. i am not sure whether only LDAP will do or if i need the full Winbind thing. users will only do file transfer within their home directories. any advice? |
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| 07:02.49 | kgoetz | nxmehta: it needs *a* name, but it can have a 2nd set by dhcp+dns |
| 07:03.20 | kgoetz | baradude: check if pam-ldap still works with AD (it may have dropped upport) |
| 07:04.08 | kgoetz | (package is 'libpam-ldap') |
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| 07:05.38 | Guerin | !lart NINtards |
| 07:05.38 | dpkg | throws NINtards's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 07:05.41 | Agiofws | ffs i need wine 1.1.3 |
| 07:05.44 | Agiofws | not 1.1.1 |
| 07:05.52 | nxmehta | kgoetz: when dhcp+dns tells the machine what domain its on, where is this information stored (there's no /etc/domainname like in solaris) |
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| 07:07.24 | kgoetz | nxmehta: /var/lib/dhcp/* perhaps. |
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| 07:18.31 | linostar | why I can't establish a tcp connection between two hosts but in one direction only, mentioning that they have same itables chains allowing such connection? |
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| 07:20.57 | Guerin | linostar: faulty NIC? |
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| 07:24.23 | n-iCe | !motion |
| 07:24.37 | n-iCe | who have used motion? |
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| 07:24.48 | linostar | Guerin, no, no, solved, thank you, some iptable chains were contradicted |
| 07:25.08 | ronr | if I login to my debian ftp server the ftp client says Falling back to PORT instead of PASV mode. when trying to ls, what can I do about this (I'm using wzdftpd) |
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| 07:25.22 | ronr | in iptables both ports 20 and 21 are open |
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| 07:26.22 | Guerin | ok, so the ipchains weren't the same, then. |
| 07:27.01 | linostar | Guerin, yes, it was my fault, I apologise :) |
| 07:27.05 | Guerin | :) |
| 07:27.20 | n-iCe | How can I edit the cam server with motion? localhost:8081 |
| 07:27.33 | Guerin | !htfswk |
| 07:27.33 | dpkg | How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 07:27.44 | n-iCe | haha |
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| 07:28.12 | n-iCe | don't be rude |
| 07:28.30 | Guerin | stop being stupid, I'll stop being rude |
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| 07:29.33 | kgoetz | Guerin: :) |
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| 07:29.54 | ronr | ok, if I set iptable to accept everything for my ip, ftp works ok, ftp just needs tcp 20 and 21 open right? |
| 07:30.08 | Guerin | ronr: no. |
| 07:30.23 | ronr | GhostInTheShell: then what does it need? |
| 07:30.25 | Guerin | ronr: FTP can be stupid - google ftp passive mode |
| 07:30.35 | kgoetz | !tell ronr about ftp must die |
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| 07:31.06 | Guerin | you can force your ftpd to use active mode, but it's generally more fail, expecially for users behind their own firewall |
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| 07:31.57 | ronr | kgoetz: I agree, stupid people wanting to upload their html site don't :( (really, is scp that difficult??) |
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| 07:32.12 | linostar | ronr: ftp open some dynamic ports in passive mode |
| 07:32.54 | simonrvn | !be an scp barbie |
| 07:32.54 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 07:33.03 | simonrvn | dpkg: ... |
| 07:33.03 | dpkg | ... is, like, http://strugglers.net/rants/dots%20:(.php |
| 07:33.07 | n-iCe | Guerin: :) |
| 07:33.25 | simonrvn | wtf |
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| 07:33.37 | simonrvn | !factinfo ... |
| 07:33.38 | dpkg | ... -- created by [ningo] <~ningo@p5487EAE8.dip.t-dialin.net> at Mon Dec 27 16:20:49 2004 (1351 days); it has been requested 100 times, last by simonrvn, 34s ago. |
| 07:33.56 | ronr | thx, I found the info on google I need to get it working |
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| 07:34.21 | simonrvn | !no ... is <reply>$nick: what?! |
| 07:34.23 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
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| 07:36.06 | groove | hi, i've signed my built packages with a key, and installed the package signing key on the machine, but gpgv is complaining about the signatures not matching |
| 07:37.17 | groove | the signature on the machine is eight alphanumeric characters, and the one gpgv determines from the package or perhaps Release.gpg has the same tail but an extra 8 characters |
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| 07:37.26 | harvester | how do you open openoffice in console? |
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| 07:37.52 | kgoetz | harvester: you install X ... |
| 07:37.58 | harvester | console |
| 07:38.04 | Guerin | harvester: which part of openoffice? |
| 07:38.09 | harvester | .odt |
| 07:38.15 | simonrvn | .. |
| 07:38.15 | Guerin | oowriter |
| 07:38.20 | kgoetz | groove: care to give us an error to look at? |
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| 07:38.31 | Guerin | hates oofice, almost as much as word |
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| 07:38.40 | groove | sure |
| 07:38.48 | simonrvn | harvester: what do you think "console" is? |
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| 07:39.30 | groove | kgoetz: http://pastebin.com/mbaf3094 |
| 07:39.47 | groove | that's what apt-get is doing anyway |
| 07:39.56 | groove | with a bit more verbose detail |
| 07:40.20 | groove | i'm new to creating Release.gpg so maybe i'm creating it with the wrong parameters |
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| 07:40.42 | n-iCe | bye Guerin |
| 07:40.45 | Throat | ha, I think I got it - he meant how to start it from the command line |
| 07:41.26 | Throat | for 3 in the night, that was... heavy thinking |
| 07:41.44 | simonrvn | i want to know what s/he thinks it means... |
| 07:41.56 | Guerin | for values of `console' equal to `xterm' |
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| 07:42.25 | simonrvn | Guerin: that's what i'm thinking he thinks it means. |
| 07:42.55 | simonrvn | (which it doesn't) |
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| 07:44.28 | Throat | Guerin, yes, but what would you open word/powerpoint/etc documents with if there wasn't oo |
| 07:44.52 | simonrvn | strings |
| 07:44.55 | Throat | or *shudder* edit them |
| 07:44.57 | kgoetz | Throat: i wouldnt |
| 07:45.17 | Throat | it's normally not a matter of choice |
| 07:45.25 | simonrvn | i convert the fucking things to odt or txt |
| 07:45.36 | simonrvn | and tell people don't send me doc files |
| 07:45.44 | Throat | people like your boss |
| 07:46.04 | simonrvn | what's a boss? |
| 07:46.10 | Throat | "fucking dont send me doc files, boss" |
| 07:46.22 | Throat | I think it's someone who gives you money |
| 07:46.27 | simonrvn | doesn't have a boss |
| 07:46.38 | Throat | no money for you then, mister! |
| 07:46.42 | Throat | :-P |
| 07:47.12 | Throat | (similar to Santa Claus) |
| 07:47.19 | kgoetz | Throat: then your doing it all wrong :P |
| 07:47.44 | Throat | maybe |
| 07:48.25 | Throat | or it's people who think you choose not to ever open word documents as a life-choice and everything else will follow who've got ther head up their bum |
| 07:48.34 | Throat | perhaps we'll never find out |
| 07:48.54 | simonrvn | ENOPARSE |
| 07:49.01 | Throat | hehe |
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| 07:49.13 | jescis | what's a keyboard chair interface mean? |
| 07:49.19 | simonrvn | maybe it's the time... |
| 07:49.24 | Throat | jescis, you |
| 07:49.26 | simonrvn | jescis: you |
| 07:49.38 | Throat | echo |
| 07:49.40 | jescis | oh |
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| 07:49.52 | jescis | m:) |
| 07:50.19 | Throat | what's the 'm'? fancy haircut? |
| 07:50.20 | simonrvn | echo.. echo... echo.... echo .... e c h o . . . . . . . |
| 07:50.33 | jescis | Throat, I got that when I asked dpkg about hyserv :/ |
| 07:50.48 | Throat | jescis, I figured |
| 07:50.58 | Throat | I meant the 'm' in m:) |
| 07:51.24 | Throat | maybe Elvis-type of hair |
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| 07:51.56 | jescis | Throat, and the m in the smily/emoticon means you put your hand on your forehead |
| 07:52.28 | Throat | aha |
| 07:52.33 | Throat | we live'n learn |
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| 07:53.53 | jescis | Throat, there is an emoticon list that has over one hundred or more ;) |
| 07:54.15 | Throat | well, time to hit the mattress... toodleoo to you chappies |
| 07:54.31 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 07:54.46 | jescis | g'night Throat |
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| 07:58.43 | pippijn | hi all |
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| 07:59.05 | pippijn | what do I need to do to have a signed repository? |
| 07:59.28 | pippijn | I signed my packages, added the key to apt-key but still it says "untrusted" |
| 07:59.41 | pippijn | do I need a Release.gpg file? if so, how do I create it? |
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| 08:12.34 | pippijn | I now have a Release.gpg, but it gets [IGNORED] |
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| 08:14.09 | TuxCrafter | how can i make sure all processes on the server create files and folder with umask 007 |
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| 08:15.06 | TuxCrafter | i set the .profile in home folders /etc/profile /etc/skel/.profile checked all bashrc for umask lines all are on umask 007 but i still got wrong created files |
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| 08:19.17 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:19.59 | pippijn | does anyone know how to remove a key from the debian trusted keyring? |
| 08:20.06 | pippijn | ah |
| 08:20.08 | pippijn | never mind |
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| 08:21.04 | pippijn | why is my Release.gpg being ignored? |
| 08:21.13 | pippijn | it says Hit for ftp.debian.org |
| 08:21.18 | pippijn | but IGNORED for my own |
| 08:21.26 | pippijn | it is there and it is readable |
| 08:21.32 | pippijn | maybe I need a Contents file? |
| 08:22.43 | pippijn | oh |
| 08:22.47 | pippijn | I am an idiot |
| 08:23.11 | pippijn | it works now |
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| 08:23.47 | pippijn | the key works, but now it contains no packages |
| 08:23.55 | pippijn | the Release file probably needs to contain those |
| 08:24.55 | pippijn | how do I generate a Release file? |
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| 08:49.06 | shingouz | lets see if i can give someone a headache with the following. i want to setup a reverse ssh tunnel in /etc/inittab on a laptop. obviously the network is not going to be up all the time and the ssh tunnel will try to go up at boot. if i set the tunnel to respawn, does it eventually connect to whatever network connection that is up? |
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| 08:50.47 | mquin | it might, but there's a good chance init will disable it for failing too frequently early in the boot sequence |
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| 08:51.47 | enouf | shingouz: the best i can do is pass you this , that i bookmarked a while ago http://www.etherboot.org/doc/html/sshterminal/t1.html |
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| 08:52.38 | mquin | I'd suggest using a wrapper script with a short delay in it, and start that with an @reboot line in cron |
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| 08:54.27 | enouf | man 5 crontab has all that nice info |
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| 08:56.11 | TuxCrafter | touch testfile --> ls -hal testfile --> -rw-r----- 1 jelle admin 0 Sep 9 10:55 testfile --> umask 0007 |
| 08:56.17 | TuxCrafter | i dont get it how is that possible |
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| 08:59.02 | shingouz | enouf: mquin lets see now.... |
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| 09:01.36 | Somni | rm foo.txt; umask 0007; touch foo.txt; stat -c '%A' foo.txt -> -rw-rw---- |
| 09:01.47 | Somni | apparently your test file existed already |
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| 09:07.24 | TuxCrafter | Somni: its a bug in sshfs or fuse |
| 09:07.27 | TuxCrafter | it must be... |
| 09:07.57 | TuxCrafter | the users umask on the server and client side is 0007 |
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| 09:08.50 | TuxCrafter | going to run an evil cron job fixing permissions :-S |
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| 09:09.59 | TuxCrafter | seems to be happening to ofthen that software does not look at umask |
| 09:10.03 | TuxCrafter | thunar is buggy |
| 09:10.10 | TuxCrafter | sshfs is buggy |
| 09:10.11 | fasttrac2 | hy frnds, i have trouble using vmware in linux(ubuntu). i tried asking the 2 rooms concerened, but doesnt help at all. is there any one here who would be in a position to help me? |
| 09:10.19 | TuxCrafter | kde was buggy in 2002 with the umask |
| 09:10.31 | fasttrac2 | specifically, i have troublw working vmnet bridged unterface in my vmware server |
| 09:10.48 | kmeyer | what does ":" in front of a line mean for /bin/sh? |
| 09:11.03 | kmeyer | fasttrac2: this isn't #ubuntu |
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| 09:12.05 | fasttrac2 | well... i just have a general question, more related to debian than redhat, so i guess this is the place to come to. |
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| 09:12.13 | simonrvn | !room |
| 09:12.13 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 09:13.22 | fasttrac2 | how do you "see" if the bridged interface created by vmware is working?. Do we have to do anything in particular to make it work?(other than configuring host n/w int address ?). |
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| 09:17.48 | simonrvn | ask in #vmware |
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| 09:18.50 | sirkalm1 | Szervusztok! |
| 09:19.08 | sirkalm1 | Solaris-t pedzegeti valaki? |
| 09:19.19 | simonrvn | !hu |
| 09:19.19 | dpkg | hu is probably Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 09:19.27 | hanibana | hi friends.... |
| 09:19.37 | fantasticmrfox | Lo, it seems like my Lenny is caching DNS... whats the command the clear it (I'm testing my nameserver) |
| 09:20.11 | simonrvn | there isn't any. restart the ns if it's that doing it. |
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| 09:20.42 | fantasticmrfox | simonrvn, no its not the nameserver caching its my desktop pc |
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| 09:24.55 | hanibana | can a r4a etch debian get packages from an r1 etch mirror ? |
| 09:26.05 | simonrvn | can? why wouldn't it be able to? i doubt it'll do anything however. |
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| 09:26.58 | ronr | I got a debian server running with quadcore intel and 4GB ram, this server is going to have to run a pretty lightweight webapplication, but that application will cause on average about 4 to 6 Mbit of traffic (for the better part of the day), how do I figure out if the server will be able to handle this? |
| 09:27.03 | hanibana | simonrvn : because of the release differences?!! |
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| 09:28.46 | themill | !wayttd hanibana |
| 09:28.47 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, hanibana? |
| 09:29.12 | hanibana | I have a r1 etch debian mirror |
| 09:29.25 | hanibana | and I have a r4a etch debian server |
| 09:29.42 | themill | why not just update the mirror. there won't be that many differences |
| 09:29.51 | hanibana | my question is that can this sercer work with this mirror? |
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| 09:30.47 | themill | hanibana: for most packages that will be fine, but there are updated packages on the primary mirrors -- e.g. packages that were on security.debian.org get moved to the primary mirrors when a point release is made. You need to be able to get those packages some how |
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| 09:32.05 | hanibana | themill : thanks, then in most cases I will be able to install... packages... ?? |
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| 09:32.48 | hanibana | ok |
| 09:34.47 | themill | hanibana: yes, but there are a few security updates that you will be missing. You might want to add a normal mirror in as well. Or just update your own mirror. |
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| 09:35.39 | hanibana | very thanks.... I will do it... |
| 09:35.46 | hanibana | bye friends... |
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| 09:39.31 | simonrvn | sighs |
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| 09:42.59 | cizra | My aptitude-fu failed me. I have virtualbox-ose 1.5.something (etch probably) installed. I want to install the one in etch-backports (1.6.2). |
| 09:43.02 | cizra | How do I do that? |
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| 09:43.14 | cizra | aptitude -t etch/backports show virtualbox-ose shows the right version, |
| 09:43.26 | cizra | but [...] install [...] does nothing. |
| 09:45.51 | themill | dpkg, comfort simonrvn |
| 09:45.51 | dpkg | There, there, simonrvn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 09:46.38 | simonrvn | thanks |
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| 09:48.07 | vadmeste | simonrvn: coffee, soda ? |
| 09:48.30 | cizra | OK, uninstalling and then installing it back works |
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| 09:50.00 | simonrvn | i'm good |
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| 09:52.00 | liable | beer |
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| 09:52.26 | vadmeste | not you liable |
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| 10:01.48 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 10:02.54 | gypsymauro | there is a reason why when you choose a language in debian installer (lenny) it asks if you want to continue with the selected language and the default is no?:) |
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| 10:05.56 | themill | gypsymauro: smells like a bug. Perhaps ask in #debian-boot on oftc. |
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| 10:07.01 | gypsymauro | ok tanx |
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| 10:07.32 | hanibana | how can i find a r1 etch debian mirror in the internet to test ? |
| 10:08.28 | vadmeste | hanibana: i think you have first to search for r4 etch debian |
| 10:08.52 | hanibana | why? |
| 10:08.59 | hanibana | why r4? |
| 10:09.46 | vadmeste | lool |
| 10:09.50 | vadmeste | it's the last version |
| 10:09.56 | themill | hanibana: wtf are you doing? |
| 10:10.59 | hanibana | themill: I just want to test my r4 server with a r1 mirror... |
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| 10:12.06 | hanibana | is there any in the Internet?? |
| 10:12.23 | themill | why would there be? what would be the point of having an out of date mirror? |
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| 10:13.51 | hanibana | I have a r1 hard disk mirror and have not high-speed internet to get last updated mirror... |
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| 10:14.12 | hanibana | and I don't want to get packs from internet forever |
| 10:14.18 | themill | hanibana: you only need to update a few dozen packages. It's not a completely new release. |
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| 10:15.58 | hanibana | how can i update that r1 mirror to r4? get me a clue please... I will go to do it ! thanks |
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| 10:18.03 | themill | hanibana: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
| 10:18.43 | hanibana | thanks themill |
| 10:18.45 | hanibana | thanks |
| 10:18.54 | hanibana | 1000 X thanks ! |
| 10:18.57 | hanibana | bye |
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| 10:26.01 | liable | hehe |
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| 10:29.57 | ndee | is there a tool which lets me create "tabbed"-consoles? I ssh into my machine and would like to "spawn" more consoles without reconnecting thru ssh. |
| 10:30.13 | Kovensky | ndee: screen |
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| 10:30.55 | ndee | ok, gonna read up on it |
| 10:31.07 | themill | ndee: also look at the master/slave connection options for ssh that make additional ssh connections less expensive to set up (no tcp connection/key exchange/password challange etc) |
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| 10:47.45 | Aron | Hi everyone, is there a simple way to synchronize 2 different paths but don't check timestamps? Situation is, i've got a dev.myproject and production.myproject folder and I export my svn to the dev version. After testing, I want to synchronize the dev with the production version, but during the export, timestamps seem to be updated for all folders |
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| 10:50.01 | jMCg | Aron: man rsync, IIRC, there's an option to ignore timestamps. |
| 10:50.32 | Aron | jMCg: that was what I was afraid of... any known workarounds? |
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| 10:50.58 | jMCg | Aron: reread what I just wrote. |
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| 10:51.20 | Aron | oh my bad |
| 10:51.25 | Aron | thanks, hehe |
| 10:54.17 | Aron | jMCg, I read the -I (ignore-times) parameter but this seems to suggest my desired behaviour is already standard... doesn't seem so though |
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| 10:58.15 | Aron | jMCg: found it; I was using the -a flag, which includes the -t (preserve times) flag, which conflicted with my desired behaviour |
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| 10:58.17 | Aron | thanks for your help |
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| 11:05.28 | gkkk | hello |
| 11:05.44 | gkkk | Does amd64 work for x64 intel T8100 ? |
| 11:05.53 | gkkk | or where i can find x64 version of debian |
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| 11:06.32 | Kovensky | intal 64 is intel's amd64 implementation |
| 11:06.42 | themill | gkkk: that's a core 2 duo chipset or something isn't it? |
| 11:06.47 | gkkk | yes |
| 11:06.52 | gkkk | core 2 duo T8100 |
| 11:07.01 | kgoetz | Kovensky: actually IA64 is itanium |
| 11:07.11 | kgoetz | EM64T is what intel call their AMD64 |
| 11:07.24 | kgoetz | gkkk: you want the amd64 version |
| 11:07.28 | themill | then either use the amd64 release or the i386 release with a 686 kernel depending on if you want to go 32 bit or 64 bit |
| 11:07.32 | gkkk | thanks |
| 11:07.46 | Kovensky | kgoetz: they changed EM64T to Intel64 later |
| 11:07.48 | themill | gkkk: if you want lots of non-free stuff like java and flash, then i386 will be easier |
| 11:07.54 | Kovensky | kgoetz: IA64 is unrelated to Intel64 |
| 11:08.10 | gkkk | hmm |
| 11:08.34 | kgoetz | Kovensky: got a reference? |
| 11:08.45 | kgoetz | hasnt heard about this |
| 11:08.48 | gkkk | i have x686 currently (using irssi since xorg crashes due some wierd intel X3100 problem) |
| 11:08.53 | Kovensky | kgoetz: when Iceweasel unfreezes I can look it up |
| 11:08.59 | Kovensky | kgoetz: that was on Wikipedia last time I saw it |
| 11:09.01 | themill | kgoetz: "http://www.intel.com/info/em64t/" redirects now to "Intel 64". ffs |
| 11:09.01 | kgoetz | Kovensky: heh. ta |
| 11:09.02 | gkkk | i686 * |
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| 11:09.21 | kgoetz | themill: does it? *grin* *looks* |
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| 11:09.32 | themill | kgoetz: bloody marketing departments... they so need to make up their mind |
| 11:09.47 | gkkk | there is no java and flash for 64? |
| 11:09.51 | gkkk | or it |
| 11:09.55 | gkkk | 's pain in the ass? |
| 11:09.56 | themill | gkkk: it's do-able but harder |
| 11:10.02 | Kovensky | kgoetz: on wikipedia: "Intel's name for this technology has changed several times. The name used at the IDF was CT (presumably for Clackamas Technology, another codename from an Oregon river); within weeks they began referring to it as IA-32e (for IA-32 extensions) and in March 2004 unveiled the "official" name EM64T (Extended Memory 64 Technology). In late 2006 Intel began instead using the name Intel 64 for its implementation, paralleling AMD's use of |
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| 11:10.20 | manday | Guys, why am I only getting /docs if I apt-get thunderbird? |
| 11:10.48 | kgoetz | themill: yeah. its espeically irritating for people who know what they used to call things (when the names effectively collide, as these do) |
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| 11:11.19 | themill | manday: the t'bird package pulls in "icedove". Read the package description. |
| 11:11.29 | Orion_X11 | I have a problem here. Everytime that I log in debian it say that the root partition is 100% in use. My hd is 160gb and I reserved 7gb for root. So, how do I give more space for root not complain? |
| 11:11.31 | kgoetz | Kovensky: interesting. ah well, may it hurt their market. |
| 11:11.32 | themill | kgoetz: yep |
| 11:11.41 | gkkk | i just wanted to get a confirmation that amd64 will work with my cpu |
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| 11:11.59 | kgoetz | Orion_X11: you work out how you used/wasted all your space and fix it |
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| 11:12.05 | gkkk | thou GMA X3100 should work fine with lenny/sid, but still it crashes whole machine |
| 11:12.11 | kgoetz | gkkk: confirmed :) |
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| 11:12.39 | Orion_X11 | kgoetz: I now this, but how? |
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| 11:13.07 | kgoetz | Orion_X11: remove un-needed packagds, clear your package cache, do you have a proxy? that'll be using room, etc |
| 11:13.07 | Orion_X11 | kgoetz: I mean I know :-) |
| 11:13.36 | geek | gkkk: what cpu? |
| 11:13.47 | themill | Orion_X11: uninstalling unneeded kernels is a good way of reclaiming disk space on /. |
| 11:14.17 | enouf | is /usr in root? look at loaclepurge pkg - but check BTS too |
| 11:14.23 | Orion_X11 | kgoetz: and I reserved 80gb for /home. Why debian does not save my stuff in there? |
| 11:14.23 | enouf | grah |
| 11:14.36 | enouf | Orion_X11: is /usr in root? look at localepurge pkg - but check BTS too |
| 11:14.48 | enouf | ls / |
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| 11:15.40 | Orion_X11 | enouf: usr is in / |
| 11:15.41 | kgoetz | Orion_X11: it does. |
| 11:15.47 | ferra1 | hi, I have only one eth0 but I'm try config iptables firewall for redirect to another ip and port incoming request to port 8000, but don't do anything. thanks |
| 11:16.01 | kgoetz | ferra1: fix it. np. |
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| 11:16.20 | ferra1 | kgoetz: what?? |
| 11:16.24 | gkkk | geek: T8100 |
| 11:16.25 | enouf | kgoetz: ? |
| 11:16.30 | wols | ~awhat other ip with only one interface? |
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| 11:17.19 | geek | hmm, i'm having an intermittant problem with resolving security.debian.org, any idea of another mirror i can use? |
| 11:17.29 | geek | gkkk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_2_microprocessors#.22Penryn-3M.22_.28standard-voltage.2C_45_nm.29 yup, AMD64 will work |
| 11:17.38 | kgoetz | enouf: sup? |
| 11:17.38 | gkkk | yeh, got that :P |
| 11:17.45 | joaop | where usually people install jdk ? in /usr/java ? like /usr/java/jdk-version/ ? |
| 11:17.49 | gkkk | khmh...xorg channel is dead again |
| 11:19.06 | internat1 | normally whever apt-get install puts it :) |
| 11:19.13 | themill | joaop: we normally use the debian packages unless there's a really good reason to do differently |
| 11:19.30 | themill | joaop: /msg dpkg install java |
| 11:19.54 | joaop | humm, maybe i need add the non-free in source.lis |
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| 11:20.25 | Orion_X11 | I have issued > apt-get clean; apt-get autoclean What more? |
| 11:20.31 | themill | joaop: yep |
| 11:21.15 | themill | Orion_X11: you can try aptitude autoremove (if you've been using aptitude) or deborphan to find unneeded packages. Also /msg dpkg deborphan ; /msg dpkg obsolete |
| 11:21.37 | kgoetz | and debfoster, if you feel like doing a big cull |
| 11:22.42 | Orion_X11 | What I don't understand is how can root complain of space if I have a 80gb /home. Root could take space from home if it needs :-( |
| 11:23.04 | geek | erm, depends on the layout |
| 11:24.07 | kgoetz | Orion_X11: no it cant. not without $magic |
| 11:24.12 | kgoetz | anyway, i'm off to sleep. night all |
| 11:25.16 | Orion_X11 | deborphan shows me 3 packages. Can I remove them? How? |
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| 11:27.36 | Orion_X11 | apt-get remove pkg? |
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| 11:29.10 | newsense | Orion_X11: hit ? and make sure the pacvkages arent "important" if not hit p to purge or r to remove |
| 11:29.39 | themill | newsense: wtf? |
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| 11:30.06 | newsense | err sorry was thinking of debfosters syntax not deborphan sorry |
| 11:30.27 | newsense | themill: <Orion_X11> deborphan shows me 3 packages. Can I remove them? How? |
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| 11:30.46 | themill | ok |
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| 11:31.28 | newsense | themill: i have smoked no crazk today, too early :=) |
| 11:31.43 | newsense | s/crazk/crack |
| 11:32.03 | geek | I'm using debian lenny, which is using the security.debian.org repositories... which don't seem to be working for me. I tried switching to the japanese repositories, and it tells me there's no such files. anyone can pop a copy of their sources.list on pastebin or something so i can see if i made an error? |
| 11:32.25 | newsense | !sources |
| 11:32.26 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 11:33.29 | geek | newsense: tried that exactly. it seems to fail |
| 11:34.09 | newsense | geek: define "not working for me " |
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| 11:34.11 | themill | geek: pastebin your sources.list and we'll look |
| 11:34.28 | newsense | geek: what themill said |
| 11:35.21 | geek | hmm |
| 11:35.33 | geek | ok, the problem might be somewhere else |
| 11:35.42 | geek | just realised he couldn't ssh in to that box |
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| 11:36.28 | geek | which means its a network connectivity issue... oops >< |
| 11:37.39 | grub | themill, hi, where do I access the windows share via debian? |
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| 11:39.11 | themill | grub: I use konqueror with an smb://server/share/ syntax. You can also use smbclient or mount the share using smbfs/cifs. |
| 11:39.17 | themill | grub: btw don't ask me, ask the channel. |
| 11:39.43 | themill | I might be away of off or not know... there are lots of other people who can probably answer your question better than me |
| 11:39.44 | newsense | grub: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Samba |
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| 11:40.32 | JyZyXEL | anyone know any hardware OTP solutions that work with Debian? |
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| 11:43.51 | grub | thanks newsense themill |
| 11:44.03 | themill | no worries |
| 11:44.05 | LONELYGUY17 | is this general chat |
| 11:44.37 | tralala | no |
| 11:44.37 | newsense | np |
| 11:44.38 | liable | nope |
| 11:44.42 | themill | LONELYGUY17: no, try #defocus or #debian-offtopic |
| 11:44.45 | LONELYGUY17 | hey who will teach me russian |
| 11:45.04 | billybongo | who will will he? |
| 11:45.06 | LONELYGUY17 | where is it?? |
| 11:45.32 | themill | billybongo: what's on second |
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| 11:45.56 | billybongo | DEGT |
| 11:46.30 | LONELYGUY17 | hey who wonna funny chat |
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| 11:46.39 | LONELYGUY17 | hey are you there aloooooooo |
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| 11:47.12 | datacrusher | are you lonely?: |
| 11:47.22 | LONELYGUY17 | yeah sure |
| 11:47.29 | LONELYGUY17 | thugs get lonely too |
| 11:47.32 | billybongo | get some friends then |
| 11:47.43 | LONELYGUY17 | then get laid |
| 11:48.13 | wjlroe | Hi. I'm having trouble getting compiz working on debian lenny, there are some details here (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=30641). I know it is possible using Ubuntu, and am trying to make it work in debian |
| 11:48.46 | LONELYGUY17 | hey anyone wonna chat |
| 11:48.49 | themill | LONELYGUY17: as you don't seem to have a question related to Debian support, could you please be silent in this channel and chat elsewhere? |
| 11:48.56 | abrotman | LONELYGUY17: this is not a chat channel |
| 11:49.08 | billybongo | themill: there's always /ignore :) |
| 11:49.12 | LONELYGUY17 | shit which one chat channel |
| 11:49.18 | abrotman | LONELYGUY17: try #defocus |
| 11:49.29 | themill | billybongo: no, that's the the solution for a problem affecting 843 people. |
| 11:49.31 | LONELYGUY17 | how?? |
| 11:49.37 | LONELYGUY17 | where i will write it |
| 11:49.39 | abrotman | LONELYGUY17: /join #defocus |
| 11:50.22 | gkkk | the spoons have ruined the world...sad |
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| 11:51.50 | LONELYGUY17 | shit i couldnt find it shit shiiit |
| 11:53.26 | LONELYGUY17 | hey |
| 11:53.27 | LONELYGUY17 | anyone wonna chat |
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| 11:53.50 | abrotman | LONELYGUY17: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic .. try #defocus for chatting |
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| 11:55.36 | gkkk | anyone? |
| 11:55.54 | gkkk | intel GMA X3100 crashes whole laptop |
| 11:56.39 | themill | gkkk: you might want the etchnhalf drivers for that. |
| 11:57.05 | gkkk | debian sid, intel X3100, xorg 7.3 (core 1.4) , video-intel 2.3.2, mesa 7.0.3. Whole machine crashes in few minutes after X is ran. |
| 11:57.24 | gkkk | etchnhalf drivers? |
| 11:58.31 | TuxCrafter | just like to now but what is the most stable intel graphical chipset on this moment? |
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| 12:00.00 | TuxCrafter | uses debian sid with Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 04) and also has xorg crashes (no complete system freezes) |
| 12:00.27 | geek | ok.. http://pastebin.com/m1e17616e what am i missing? i'm trying to install sun java, have non-free added, but apt dosen't seem able to find it |
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| 12:01.28 | TuxCrafter | this xorg crash log was of yesterday -> http://pastebin.ca/1198102 |
| 12:01.31 | abrotman | geek: you have no regular sources |
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| 12:01.41 | gkkk | lspci shows me Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 12:01.50 | geek | abrotman: thats what the system came with out of the box o0 |
| 12:02.01 | abrotman | geek: no it didn't |
| 12:02.07 | geek | abrotman: are the syntax(s) for the two jp ones correct? |
| 12:02.12 | abrotman | geek: uncomment line #6 and remove the "/updates" from that line |
| 12:02.17 | geek | abrotman: it came with the cd, and the security one |
| 12:02.38 | geek | ahh |
| 12:02.39 | geek | ok |
| 12:02.42 | geek | thanks |
| 12:02.45 | jelly | TuxCrafter: have you reported it to bugs.d.o? |
| 12:02.58 | TuxCrafter | jelly: nope |
| 12:03.12 | gkkk | the thing is, that xserver-xorg-video-intel should work... |
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| 12:03.24 | gkkk | or is my kernel too old? |
| 12:03.37 | geek | gkkk: off the top of my head, didn't the x3100/gm965 have some issue? |
| 12:03.42 | gkkk | 2.6.26 |
| 12:03.52 | gkkk | issue? i have no idea about that |
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| 12:03.53 | TuxCrafter | jelly: i still have outstanding bugs at xorg that were never solved because the developers did not get paid for it so they did not wanted to make time for it |
| 12:04.01 | geek | like they were designed quite differently from the older chipsets, so, for example, compiz wouldn't work for it? |
| 12:04.19 | gkkk | i have googled about a day now, most of ppl says it works fine with drivers from reop |
| 12:04.22 | gkkk | repo* |
| 12:04.55 | gkkk | hmm |
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| 12:04.58 | gkkk | but possible to get work? |
| 12:05.08 | jelly | TuxCrafter: you don't have libgl1-mesa-dri installed? Maybe it'll be more stable with 3D :-D (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) |
| 12:05.24 | TuxCrafter | jelly: normaly dont use 3d |
| 12:05.27 | geek | well, my x3100 system is on kubuntu. seems rock solid, other than me not bothing with compiz... so it isn't the drivers i suspect |
| 12:05.52 | gkkk | someone said it might be dri or mesa problem |
| 12:06.02 | gkkk | got mesa 7 |
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| 12:06.52 | gkkk | both mesa-glx and dri |
| 12:07.09 | TuxCrafter | i can live with the stability of my graphic card because i know how to fix things, but i would like to be able to buys a rock solid intel chipset for somebody else .... |
| 12:07.24 | TuxCrafter | /stability/instability/ |
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| 12:07.29 | gkkk | the odd thing is, that X works fine, but whole computer crashes after some time |
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| 12:07.35 | gkkk | leaving no errors nor warnings in log |
| 12:07.38 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 12:07.43 | TuxCrafter | I use to have via chipset try that for stability compaird to that intel is stable :-p |
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| 12:08.18 | geek | lol |
| 12:08.20 | gkkk | hmmk, i |
| 12:08.22 | amphi | i965 works fine here |
| 12:08.24 | geek | via is kinda... junk |
| 12:08.26 | gkkk | odd |
| 12:08.31 | wjlroe | gkkk: what manufacturer is the laptop? I have a colleague using a Dell that does that in vista |
| 12:08.33 | gkkk | amphi: rly? how |
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| 12:08.41 | gkkk | its Asus barebone |
| 12:08.41 | amphi | gkkk: eh? |
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| 12:08.54 | gkkk | Asus Z37PE i think, |
| 12:09.23 | gkkk | Ordi Enduro 8137BEF in our reseller |
| 12:09.41 | gkkk | amphi: how? |
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| 12:10.10 | wjlroe | gkkk: have you tried a different distro or version or distro to check if it's a driver (version) issue? you could try running it off a livecd for a few hours to see if it crashes even then |
| 12:10.38 | jelly | TuxCrafter: regardless of your using it, it being enabled might be a more tested code path |
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| 12:10.59 | jelly | (3d) |
| 12:11.11 | TuxCrafter | jelly: jups the log is when i removed my xorg.conf for some testing |
| 12:11.13 | joaop | somebody using flash player on a amd64 with iceweasel ? |
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| 12:11.31 | wjlroe | joaop: yep |
| 12:11.32 | abrotman | joaop: and if they are? |
| 12:11.34 | TuxCrafter | jelly: normally i disabled dri |
| 12:11.45 | jelly | TuxCrafter: I'd install the package to see what happens |
| 12:11.54 | joaop | wjlroe, what did you do to it works ? some repository? |
| 12:11.59 | wjlroe | maybe it's a poll, how many people use flash... or maybe not |
| 12:12.17 | wjlroe | joaop: i don't think i did anything special - um checking the package... |
| 12:12.24 | jelly | TuxCrafter: dri won't workno matter what's in xorg.conf, if the drivers just aren't there |
| 12:12.39 | TuxCrafter | jelly yes i understeand |
| 12:12.47 | wjlroe | joaop: it's flashplugin-nonfree - using the non-free repositories |
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| 12:13.46 | TuxCrafter | jelly: nominally have disabled dri completely , it could be the reason why it suddenly crashed, but i was more interested in what is currently the most stable intel chipset |
| 12:14.17 | ManDay | One more time: Why does apt-get install thunderbird ONLY install /usr/share/docs?? |
| 12:14.41 | abrotman | ManDay: aptitude install icedove? |
| 12:14.42 | gkkk | ManDay: apt-get install icedove |
| 12:14.45 | jelly | TuxCrafter: you'd have to ask someone who plays with a lot of graphic hardware. #xorg (but they're always asleep) or #debian-x or irc.d.o maybe |
| 12:14.46 | amphi | gkkk: what do you mean, 'how'? |
| 12:14.56 | gkkk | what card and what drivers? |
| 12:14.57 | joaop | wjlroe, are you using lenny? |
| 12:15.02 | gkkk | and sid or lenny? |
| 12:15.03 | wjlroe | joaop: yes |
| 12:15.05 | gkkk | or etch? |
| 12:15.09 | wjlroe | lenny |
| 12:15.20 | jelly | TuxCrafter: my i915GM has issues maybe once a month |
| 12:15.57 | amphi | gkkk: 'Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)' using the drivers in testing |
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| 12:16.06 | ManDay | abrotman: yeah i saw that and i installed icedove, but what is it? |
| 12:16.10 | gkkk | it feels i should start to compile linuxintelgraphics |
| 12:16.20 | ManDay | Please DONT tell me that this is the thunderbird implementation for linux |
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| 12:16.37 | gkkk | ManDay: its same as thunderbird, but with open content |
| 12:16.44 | gkkk | a ka images and stuff |
| 12:16.52 | gkkk | google.com for it |
| 12:16.54 | ManDay | what is the pkg "thunderbird" good for then? |
| 12:16.55 | amphi | gkkk: what problems do you have with it? |
| 12:16.57 | LjL | is it expected to have no /dev/usb/anything (well, i have lp0 only) in Testing, and instead getting /dev/usbdev* entries? |
| 12:17.09 | gkkk | amphi: whole machine crashes after few minutes |
| 12:17.28 | amphi | gkkk: but only if you start X? |
| 12:17.29 | gkkk | sid |
| 12:17.35 | gkkk | yes |
| 12:17.50 | gkkk | wait a sec |
| 12:17.58 | gkkk | i think I should test a thing |
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| 12:18.14 | gkkk | i should test if machine crashes in gdm too |
| 12:18.33 | gkkk | currently it has crashed only in xfce |
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| 12:20.42 | gkkk | x/win 3 |
| 12:20.47 | gkkk | sorry |
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| 12:21.26 | LjL | any hint how to being troubleshooting a USB scanner that stopped working (possibly after some APT update, but unsure)? sane-find-scanner finds it, but scanimage -L does not |
| 12:21.44 | abrotman | ManDay: it's a transitional package |
| 12:21.46 | abrotman | !icedove |
| 12:21.46 | dpkg | [icedove] a fork to replace thunderbird. Debian is unable to distribute thunderbird with the thunderbird name due to trademark restrictions. See also DFSG, iceweasel, or gnuzilla http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/. |
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| 12:22.03 | Tex-Twil | hello |
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| 12:22.23 | joaop | i cant find the flashplugin-nonfree package, is apt-get.org still working ? i cant find anything there |
| 12:22.59 | Tex-Twil | please, where is the user Trash folder located on Etch ? I dont have any ~/.Trash directory and when I try to empty/open the trash via KDE, it hangs |
| 12:23.31 | wjlroe | joaop: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=flashplugin-nonfree |
| 12:23.34 | abrotman | joaop: it's not on apt-get.org |
| 12:23.51 | abrotman | joaop: are you on unstable or testing? |
| 12:24.02 | joaop | abrotman, unstable |
| 12:24.10 | abrotman | !info flashplugin-nonfree sid |
| 12:24.25 | abrotman | oh .. that's i386 .. gah |
| 12:24.27 | wjlroe | joaop: it's in contrib I think: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 12:24.35 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 1:1.7.2 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
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| 12:24.45 | joaop | lenny = unstable? i installed debian today after many yeards using it, kind of lost |
| 12:24.46 | abrotman | it's not in lenny at all |
| 12:24.52 | _kringalf | lenny == testing |
| 12:24.52 | gkkk | lenny = testing |
| 12:24.54 | geek | er, lenny is testing |
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| 12:25.09 | abrotman | joaop: do you have non-free sources ? |
| 12:25.10 | geek | abrotman: any reason its not there? >_> |
| 12:25.22 | abrotman | geek: because it's a pain in the neck |
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| 12:25.27 | geek | lol |
| 12:25.48 | geek | abrotman: it itself, or what its used for? |
| 12:26.12 | abrotman | geek: ever followed the CVEs for flash? |
| 12:26.12 | ledestin | jelly-home: the problem I had is resolved. /dev/sdb2 had wrong major and minor. |
| 12:26.18 | geek | CVE? |
| 12:26.33 | geek | abrotman: i guess no, never heard of a CVE |
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| 12:28.25 | abrotman | !cve |
| 12:28.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, cve is Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures, a dictionary of publicly known information security vulnerabilities and exposures. Most DSAs (<dsa>) has a CVE identifier. |
| 12:28.51 | geek | abrotman: well, considering things. think it can be any worse than running a win 98 box? ;p |
| 12:29.02 | geek | cause thats what this box USED to run ;p |
| 12:29.07 | abrotman | geek: that's not the point |
| 12:30.30 | geek | abrotman: depends on what you're running |
| 12:30.47 | DerGuteMoritz | is there some kind of reference document containing more information on debian/rules than the debian policy manual? |
| 12:30.49 | geek | on a server, yes. on a revived, 7 year old laptop for general use? no |
| 12:30.58 | abrotman | it's still not the point |
| 12:31.23 | DerGuteMoritz | it seems that the build rule is expected to be idempotent but it is not clearly state in the dpm, that's why I'm asking |
| 12:31.27 | joaop | abrotman, yes, i have non-free sources, there is something wierd happening here, i already changed my sources to use "deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free" and still cant find flashplugin-nonfree |
| 12:31.28 | Tex-Twil | please, where is the user Trash folder located on Etch ? I dont have any ~/.Trash directory and when I try to empty/open the trash via KDE, it hangs |
| 12:31.30 | jerome | sure. An infected 7 year old laptop can still log your keys, pass and PIN |
| 12:31.39 | abrotman | joaop: there is no flash in lenny |
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| 12:31.48 | abrotman | Tex-Twil: ask #debian-kde if no one answers you here |
| 12:31.49 | geek | abrotman: anyway, i got it working using the flash package off adobe |
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| 12:33.07 | rofl | can anyone exlain me this? |
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| 12:33.41 | geek | abrotman: erf, sorry, this box has been a pain to get working, and i'm probably being more annoying than i should be ;p |
| 12:34.11 | themill | joaop: adobe flash isn't in lenny. Either get it from debian-multimedia.org or from sid. /msg dpkg adobe flash |
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| 12:34.31 | gynter | hey again |
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| 12:34.34 | gynter | hmhm |
| 12:34.44 | gkkk | good |
| 12:34.49 | geek | joaop: the tarballs from adobe seem to work... YMMV though, not sure if thats the official way to do it |
| 12:35.10 | gkkk | it seems that crash problem is from xfce4 |
| 12:35.25 | gkkk | gdm runs fine without crash |
| 12:35.28 | joaop | geek, already tried, not work.. |
| 12:35.41 | joaop | i'll try a backport |
| 12:35.45 | gkkk | if i install gnome or kde is it possible to remove it completely after testing? |
| 12:35.53 | gkkk | all conf files and so on? --purge? |
| 12:37.00 | gkkk | nevermind, i |
| 12:37.03 | gkkk | 'll just install fluxbox for testing |
| 12:37.11 | themill | dpkg: tell Tex-Twil about trash |
| 12:37.29 | gkkk | ;;,,, |
| 12:37.31 | gkkk | sorry |
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| 12:40.08 | geek | gkkk: if its lenny, and you use a meta package, yes |
| 12:40.49 | Tex-Twil | themill, what do you mean ? |
| 12:40.50 | gkkk | hmm |
| 12:40.52 | gkkk | this crash problem seems to be in xfce4 |
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| 12:41.07 | gkkk | works fine w/o crash with fluxbox |
| 12:41.27 | abrotman | gkkk: less enter key please |
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| 12:42.19 | hatter | do you think its likely a digital video stream would be a consistent data stream if replayed ? |
| 12:43.25 | gkkk | how can I remove all xfce4 packages when metapackage is xfce4? |
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| 12:44.25 | abrotman | how did you instlal it? |
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| 12:44.44 | gkkk | apt-get install xfce4 |
| 12:44.52 | joaop | flash is working :D |
| 12:44.57 | abrotman | gkkk: use aptitude |
| 12:45.02 | abrotman | too late now i suppose |
| 12:45.20 | urlauber | does anyone run davical (aka rscds)? how do I add a user to a group? |
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| 12:46.31 | amphi | hatter: you mean a stream sent to a file with mplayer -dumpstream ? |
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| 12:48.19 | hatter | amphi, perhaps, i want to analyze a stream and give a fingerprint |
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| 12:51.32 | amphi | hatter: -dumpstream seems to work well; for example, a youtube video captured with -dumpstream is identified as 'Macromedia Flash Video' by file(1), and preserves the originals incorrect apsect info, so it seems consistent |
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| 12:52.42 | DerGuteMoritz | does anyone know what dpkg-buildpackage -b does exactly? it seems as if it first executes clean, then build and then binary!? |
| 12:53.29 | DerGuteMoritz | which I wouldn't understand, since the binary rule should handle the building, no? |
| 12:54.40 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 12:54.40 | dpkg | mentors is probably the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
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| 12:55.17 | enouf | fakeroot debian/rules binary (likely) |
| 12:55.45 | themill | DerGuteMoritz: that's all documented in policy; see section 4.9 /msg dpkg policy |
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| 12:56.39 | DerGuteMoritz | enouf: yes, that way my package is correctly built but not when calling dpkg-buildpackage -b :( |
| 12:56.42 | hatter | amphi, interesting, thanks for your thoughts |
| 12:57.24 | enouf | DerGuteMoritz: hrm, maybe you want the -uc and -u<X> options ,.., i forget the X |
| 12:57.36 | hatter | i wonder what mythtv uses for passing the video stream |
| 12:58.02 | themill | enouf: those options are only for signing the package (-us) |
| 12:58.03 | enouf | DerGuteMoritz: though, i'm no dev, i'd follow up on the others' advices |
| 12:58.11 | DerGuteMoritz | themill: that's true but it doesn't cover my issue, as far as I can see .. |
| 12:58.27 | enouf | themill: ahh |
| 12:58.33 | DerGuteMoritz | enouf: -uc is irrelevant to that but I'm using it, yes |
| 12:58.50 | enouf | see my last comment to you ;-) |
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| 12:59.03 | DerGuteMoritz | themill: I simply don't understand why dpkg-buildpackage -b executes build twice |
| 12:59.13 | joaop | somebody using eclipse for java development ? |
| 12:59.30 | themill | DerGuteMoritz: it shouldn't unless you've got some screwy things in your debian/rules |
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| 13:00.36 | enouf | DerGuteMoritz: wait, are you using debian sources? |
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| 13:01.05 | DerGuteMoritz | enouf: nope, custom package |
| 13:01.26 | gkkk | thanks everyone who helped me, now I know its xfce4 problem not intel drivers problem |
| 13:01.55 | DerGuteMoritz | themill: care if I query and send you the rule dependencies in my debian/rules? |
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| 13:02.04 | joaop | apt-get.org is not used anymore ? |
| 13:02.14 | enouf | for? |
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| 13:02.28 | joaop | unoficial packages |
| 13:02.37 | themill | DerGuteMoritz: stick it in a pastebin and then more than one person can help you. They might see things that I miss. Also #debian-mentors on oftc might be better for you. |
| 13:02.46 | enouf | well, there are plenty of those floating around |
| 13:02.59 | joaop | enouf, where? |
| 13:03.01 | enouf | which ones? for multimedia |
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| 13:03.28 | joaop | enouf, i need netbeans or eclipse updated version |
| 13:03.32 | DerGuteMoritz | themill: ah, didn't know about #debian-mentors, thanks for the hint ... I'll anonymize my rules-file and paste it in a sec |
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| 13:04.04 | themill | DerGuteMoritz: [13:54] <dpkg> mentors is probably the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 13:04.06 | themill | :) |
| 13:04.26 | enouf | one is debian-unofficial.org, but i have no idea about java bloat ;-) |
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| 13:05.27 | DerGuteMoritz | themill: awesome, thanks! I overlooked it just then :) |
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| 13:06.29 | enouf | then you have all the people.d.o stuff, i guess |
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| 13:07.19 | enouf | but maybe you should ask in #eclipse? |
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| 13:08.20 | joaop | tks |
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| 13:10.44 | DerGuteMoritz | themill: ah, never mind, I got it - I should have put my compiling code into build-stamp instead of build ... |
| 13:11.19 | themill | ahh... all the -stamp stuff takes a while to figure out |
| 13:11.40 | DerGuteMoritz | themill: yes, it's a little unintuitive |
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| 13:12.37 | themill | it's quite robust to double compilation though... but with power comes complexity |
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| 13:13.25 | DerGuteMoritz | that's for sure! |
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| 13:13.55 | DerGuteMoritz | the hint is hidden in a footnote of the policy manual, though, that's why I didn't see it firstly |
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| 13:17.14 | DerGuteMoritz | themill: given that the build-stamp mechanism is what is generated by dh_make, I guess putting information on this hidden in a footnote and presenting it as "Another common way to do this" is not a very good idea. is there a bug tracker for the policy manual? |
| 13:18.32 | themill | DerGuteMoritz: dh_make is only one way to *start* the process of packaging and is not always a good way to go. But yes, you could file a bug against the debian-policy package. |
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| 13:19.58 | DerGuteMoritz | themill: okay :) |
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| 13:26.18 | fmello | hi |
| 13:26.26 | fmello | anyone have a pe2950 ? |
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| 13:27.21 | js_ | fmello: i used to |
| 13:27.23 | abrotman | PowerEdge? |
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| 13:27.52 | fmello | abrotman, yes |
| 13:28.03 | fmello | js_, do you have problem with disk controller? (to slowly to backup files..) |
| 13:28.12 | js_ | fmello: nope, never had |
| 13:28.31 | fmello | your controller is a perc5i ? |
| 13:28.33 | js_ | fmello: i ran debian etch on it and used it for virtualization. had around 15 vms running |
| 13:28.36 | js_ | fmello: yep |
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| 13:29.06 | fmello | js_, what's the version of your kernel? |
| 13:29.17 | js_ | i ran the stock xen kernel |
| 13:29.26 | js_ | 2.6.18 something |
| 13:29.37 | fmello | js_, thank you! |
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| 13:31.15 | fmello | js_, do you make backup of your virtual machines? (use tar.gz?) |
| 13:32.03 | fmello | my backup delay 8 hours or more, (only 200gb) |
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| 13:33.29 | js_ | fmello: i used backuppc on a separate machine |
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| 13:37.32 | myrdhin_ | hello |
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| 13:38.16 | myrdhin_ | i have a problem with a key crypted with luks (sorry for my english, i'm french) |
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| 13:38.37 | myrdhin_ | anybody can help me ? |
| 13:38.38 | Heavy-D | Can anybody tell me where to change the setting for syslog on Etch to accept remote messages (ie. from Cisco devices and servers) ? |
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| 13:38.55 | asg | Heavy-D: /etc/default/syslogd |
| 13:39.04 | Heavy-D | asg: Cool thanks :) |
| 13:39.08 | et | does tar allow paths like .. - that means can archives pollute stuff outside the cwd when i extract them? |
| 13:39.47 | js_ | et: how would that even work? |
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| 13:40.11 | mquin | et: gnu tar strips them |
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| 13:40.38 | Nazz | !nvidia |
| 13:40.39 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 13:43.16 | et | dpkg: nvidia =~ s/<nvidia_post_etch>/<nvidia_post_etch> or <nvidia_lenny>/ |
| 13:43.17 | dpkg | et: OK |
| 13:43.28 | themill | I was about to do the same thing.... |
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| 13:43.54 | mquin | et: HP-UX's tar, otoh, does let you create archives with relative pathnames like that |
| 13:44.14 | et | mquin: i'm not worried about creation, i'm worried about extraction |
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| 13:45.00 | et | (i'm creating a wrapper to extract all kinds of archives and want to make sure they don't create any files outside the dir that they are given) |
| 13:45.06 | rahsputin | !paste |
| 13:45.06 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 13:45.08 | mquin | et: extracting it with HP-UX's tar does what youd expect - files are created outwith the cwd |
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| 13:45.49 | mquin | et: give me a minute and I'll see how gnu tar handles the same archive |
| 13:47.29 | themill | et: aren't there already tools out there that do that? like the atool package? |
| 13:47.29 | yogahnee | hi i am working on a backup script for my xen maschines, i want a consistent copy so the scripts shuts down the xen maschine, takes a lvm snapshot and restarts it again to keep downtime low, when I mount this snapshot to use tar I get socket ignored errors is this serious or should I use dd to make a perfect copy |
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| 13:48.16 | justin | yogahnee: machine |
| 13:48.30 | yogahnee | justin thx :D |
| 13:48.50 | justin | yogahnee: sockets, like in /var/run? |
| 13:49.05 | mquin | et: gnu tar 'does the right thing' and strips leading '..'s |
| 13:49.10 | rahsputin | hi, iam using a PCMCIA Card ( Orinoco Gold "Lucent/Agere" Hermes I )... I get these Messages when using airodunp-ng :::> http://rafb.net/p/tCgiHu60.html |
| 13:49.15 | yogahnee | justin: postfix and dovecot |
| 13:49.22 | yogahnee | tar: /mnt/snapshot/var/spool/postfix/private/auth: socket ignored |
| 13:49.40 | justin | yogahnee: yeah... nothing to worry about, those would get re-created as soon as postfix is started |
| 13:50.50 | yogahnee | justin: but shouldn't a shutdown xen machine be fully consistent and all sockets closed |
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| 13:54.39 | checkers | hi all, can anyone suggest why `time` on lenny does this? |
| 13:54.40 | checkers | $ time -V |
| 13:54.41 | checkers | bash: -V: command not found |
| 13:55.02 | OBcecado | lol |
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| 13:55.12 | OBcecado | the command you want is: date |
| 13:55.36 | checkers | no, the command I want is time, because I want to measure the length of time a program executes for |
| 13:55.50 | OBcecado | so: time whateverthecommandis |
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| 13:56.14 | checkers | it's ignoring my request for the format: |
| 13:56.15 | checkers | $ time --format=%e ls |
| 13:56.15 | checkers | bash: --format=%e: command not found |
| 13:57.10 | fmello | js_, what kind of services do you run in your pe2950 ? |
| 13:57.12 | rahsputin | hi, iam using a PCMCIA Card ( Orinoco Gold "Lucent/Agere" Hermes I )... I get these Messages when using airmon-ng & airodump-ng :::> http://rafb.net/p/tCgiHu60.html |
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| 13:58.02 | OBcecado | checkers: i can't see that option in the manpage |
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| 13:58.47 | checkers | OBcecado: my man page lists it in tne synopsis: "...[ --format=FORMAT ]... |
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| 13:59.52 | js_ | fmello: mail, web, database, and a few other services specific to the business |
| 14:00.21 | asg | OBcecado: does it work if you use '/usr/bin/time --format="%e" ls'? |
| 14:00.26 | justin | has a 2950, that thing is fast |
| 14:00.49 | OpenTokix | Anyone know if there is a boot-option to avoid a machine trying to run fsck at boot?^ |
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| 14:01.20 | themill | OBcecado: time is also a bash builtin; run "type -a time" to see the different versions available. Use "help time" for bash's documentations on the time builtin. |
| 14:01.21 | asg | OBcecado: if it does, it's trying to use the bash builtin 'time' function |
| 14:01.54 | asg | justin: the new p905s are rather spiffy as well |
| 14:01.58 | checkers | asg: it was me sorry, and you are right! |
| 14:01.58 | OBcecado | checkers was the one who asked not me :-] |
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| 14:02.15 | themill | err, yeah |
| 14:02.22 | themill | checkers: time is also a bash builtin; run "type -a time" to see the different versions available. Use "help time" for bash's documentations on the time builtin. |
| 14:02.23 | asg | checkers: ah, sorry |
| 14:02.24 | checkers | asg: any way to nuke the builtin? I can work around it but it's sure to bite me in future... |
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| 14:02.55 | themill | checkers: hmmm it's actually a "shell keyword" not a builtin. There's a difference, apparently. Ask in #bash, perhaps. |
| 14:03.17 | Woosta | Is there any way to force a remove of a package? |
| 14:03.18 | checkers | will do, thanks for your help again asg |
| 14:03.23 | asg | checkers: there is but I can't remember off the top of my head. |
| 14:03.25 | Woosta | google-desktop-linux is broken and so it wont remove and it wont re-install in order to then remove it |
| 14:03.34 | themill | checkers: you can also change the output format of the built-in time. See help time. |
| 14:03.40 | justin | Woosta: broken how? |
| 14:03.48 | stew | yeah, wierd zsh calls it a "reserved word" instead of "shell builtin" as well |
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| 14:04.05 | Woosta | justin: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 14:04.25 | themill | stew: in bash, "which time" says it's a keyword but "which kill" says it's a builtin. An important difference to someone no doubt. |
| 14:04.30 | justin | Woosta: /var/lib/dpkg/info/google-desktop-linux.postinst |
| 14:04.52 | Woosta | File /opt/google/desktop/.gdl_installed_files is missing! |
| 14:04.58 | savvas0 | Hello, does anyone know how can I list all the packages that can be upgraded? Something like sudo apt-get upgrade, but only the package names? |
| 14:05.15 | savvas0 | er,.. *apt-get upgrade |
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| 14:06.32 | kingsley | How can one tell which version of flash was installed by update-flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 14:06.57 | asg | kingsley: about:plugins in your browser usually will tell you |
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| 14:07.59 | stew | savvas0: aptitude search -F '%100p' '~U' |
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| 14:08.23 | Woosta | anyone help me to remove this broken package? |
| 14:08.25 | peope | Can you recommend a basic firewall for a public server? |
| 14:08.32 | stew | themill: < Clint> stew: yeah, 'time' isn't really a command < Clint> it's more like a modifier |
| 14:08.48 | kingsley | asg: "about:plugins" didn't list the flash player. |
| 14:08.57 | themill | stew: heh... I just asked greycat about it too :) |
| 14:09.05 | savvas0 | stew: great, thanks, I'll give it a try! :) |
| 14:09.31 | themill | stew: apparently [[ is also a keyword not a builtin |
| 14:09.58 | stew | that makes sense |
| 14:10.34 | stew | wow, i didn't realize [ was a builtin |
| 14:10.36 | asg | kingsley: then perhaps the changelog.Debian.gz file lists it or some other file in /usr/share/doc/<pkg> |
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| 14:12.22 | themill | stew: lots of interesting things are to help with scripting speed. true and false also are to save calling out to /bin/false etc. |
| 14:12.46 | rahsputin | :þ# |
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| 14:16.54 | Nazz | i just upgraded to testing, from stable and 27 packages failed to upgrade here's the relevant output: http://dpaste.com/76927/ |
| 14:17.03 | Nazz | any ideas how to fix this? |
| 14:17.45 | Nazz | a week ago I installed a system from the same cd and there were no problems updating to testing |
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| 14:17.59 | themill | Nazz: that's a known bug. See #482140 |
| 14:18.30 | Nazz | thanks |
| 14:19.49 | themill | dpkg: update-xmlcatalog bug is a known bug in upgrading from etch to lenny. See http://bugs.debian.org/482140. If you are affected by this bug and can offer help, please do so. |
| 14:19.50 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 14:20.26 | themill | dpkg: lenny release notes is also see <update-xmlcatalog bug> |
| 14:20.26 | dpkg | themill: okay |
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| 14:21.32 | PsiKlops | Ciao! I have an Image ( .iso ) of LFS that i would like to make bootable ( write in Grub ) Is that possible and if so how ? |
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| 14:25.18 | Nazz | themill: thanks for the pointer, i followed the advice in message 164(http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=482140#164) and fixed the issue :-) |
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| 14:25.37 | themill | excellent |
| 14:26.05 | Spirit_ | hi, can someone recommend me a nice tool (or bash script) for currency converting in the commandline (if there are any)? thanks |
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| 14:36.31 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 14:36.31 | dpkg | <abrotman> the nvidia one-liner doesn't work for lenny <_ZeuZ_> abrotman, wow, didn't knew that, one more for my knowledge base... <abrotman> that makes one |
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| 14:36.54 | abrotman | did i make that? |
| 14:37.09 | liable | probably |
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| 14:37.23 | abrotman | nope ... gsimmons did |
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| 14:40.33 | TuxCrafter | what is the best way for a remote desktop system under linux with gpl software? |
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| 14:40.54 | h3king | TuxCrafter: ssl ? |
| 14:41.01 | TuxCrafter | I prefer users and pass trough the ssh system system |
| 14:41.33 | justin | TuxCrafter: vnc over ssh |
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| 14:42.19 | TuxCrafter | there is no nxserver on debian correct i saw it was gpl but there were still some issues? |
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| 14:43.59 | abrotman | right .. no nx in debian |
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| 14:45.09 | Woosta | This is crazy, there has to be a way to remove this package, even if it's missing files! |
| 14:45.27 | Woosta | I can't even reinstall it because it insists on running the uninstall first |
| 14:45.43 | stew | Woosta: you'll have to debug the postinst script |
| 14:45.57 | Woosta | You're kidding? |
| 14:45.58 | TuxCrafter | abrotman: do you know what the exact issues are with not including nx in debian? |
| 14:46.10 | Woosta | There's no way to just force it to remove a package? |
| 14:46.12 | TuxCrafter | what part of the license did not comply |
| 14:46.12 | abrotman | TuxCrafter: i believe it's been discussed on debian-legal |
| 14:46.18 | abrotman | themill: ^^^ see! |
| 14:46.23 | stew | Woosta: or alter it in such a way that the postinst script exits with success |
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| 14:48.24 | themill | abrotman: heh |
| 14:48.40 | abrotman | themill: you could start a trend! |
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| 14:49.09 | Woosta | stew: got it. I just added an 'exit' at the top of the .prerm |
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| 14:49.47 | webPragmatist | can I dissallow interactive logins for certain users? (require them to use keys) |
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| 14:52.52 | liable | dont think you can do that on a per user basis |
| 14:53.43 | ptman | webPragmatist: empty the password in /etc/passwd and set permitemptypasswords to false in sshd_config |
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| 14:54.04 | ptman | but then they may login without a password at a terminal |
| 14:54.14 | webPragmatist | oi that's no good |
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| 14:54.56 | ptman | webPragmatist: or maybe you can just set a random password |
| 14:55.02 | stew | webPragmatist: you can lock a user's password with usermod |
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| 14:55.16 | stew | ptman: he doesn't want to allow password logins at all for these users |
| 14:55.21 | webPragmatist | ya i will just make a really long password |
| 14:55.29 | ptman | webPragmatist: no, no, listen to stew |
| 14:55.37 | webPragmatist | oh |
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| 14:55.48 | ptman | I was looking for that solution myself, but couldn't find it on passwd(5) |
| 14:55.58 | webPragmatist | cool |
| 14:56.05 | andax | is there a way to buy commercial support for debian? |
| 14:56.26 | webPragmatist | is /home/backup a decent place to store backups from another comp/ |
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| 14:56.43 | maligor | andax, http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
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| 14:56.50 | andax | maligor: thank you |
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| 14:57.00 | stew | ptman: you'd want shadow(5) not passwd(5) |
| 14:57.21 | ptman | webPragmatist: maybe, though I think /var/backup is the traditional place |
| 14:57.36 | ptman | stew: yes, I understand that now, thank you |
| 14:58.33 | webPragmatist | ptman: I think that would be fine if it was local backup but i'm kinda leaning away from it as a remote share backup |
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| 14:59.19 | shinji | Hi I accidently deleted the files in the conf.d directory of exim4 is there a way to regenerate or reinstall them? I tried to copy the files vom the svn but it still dosent work |
| 14:59.21 | webPragmatist | where would you normally put like just a network shared location? |
| 14:59.30 | ptman | under /srv |
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| 15:00.22 | abrotman | !tell shinji about confmiss |
| 15:01.00 | stew | shinji: perhaps reinstalling exim4-config with confmiss or confnew (which dpkg just told you about). perhaps dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 15:02.18 | webPragmatist | ptman: why is it /var/www anyway heh |
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| 15:02.49 | ptman | webPragmatist: I don't know, I use /srv/www myself |
| 15:03.02 | ptman | "historical reasons" usually |
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| 15:03.35 | abrotman | !fhs |
| 15:03.36 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 15:03.59 | OpenTokix | Anyone know if there is a boot-option to avoid a machine trying to run fsck at boot?^ |
| 15:04.09 | webPragmatist | thats what i was reading ... http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM |
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| 15:04.22 | AbortRet1yFail | anybody in here ever run bacula on debian before? |
| 15:05.44 | asg | OpenTokix: you can use 'shutdown' with '-f' |
| 15:06.34 | asg | OpenTokix: or 'touch /fastboot' |
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| 15:07.47 | andrboot | hi; anyone got a linux-kbuild-2.6.22 deb? |
| 15:07.48 | andrboot | i386 :p |
| 15:07.51 | OpenTokix | asg: I cant boot |
| 15:08.12 | OpenTokix | asg: I get stuck when it tries to fsck a degraded raid |
| 15:08.14 | asg | OpenTokix: then boot with 'init=/bin/sh' and mount your filesystems manually or fsck them or fix the breakage. |
| 15:08.19 | webPragmatist | can you make adduser just add the users home dir if you forgot to? |
| 15:08.27 | OpenTokix | asg: don't work either |
| 15:08.30 | webPragmatist | or do you have to copy / usermod |
| 15:08.36 | stew | andrboot: is there a reason you don't just switch to a more recent kernel? |
| 15:08.36 | shinji | Thanks a lot guys you´re great |
| 15:09.14 | asg | OpenTokix: then that means you likely have / on a raid array and it's failing in the initrd? |
| 15:09.14 | andrboot | stew vmware server |
| 15:09.25 | stew | andrboot: what about it? |
| 15:09.34 | andrboot | doesn't like 2.6.26 |
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| 15:09.36 | OpenTokix | asg: I think / is on md1 but its md2 failing |
| 15:09.43 | andrboot | and i cna't install 2.6.25 :p :\ |
| 15:09.48 | andrboot | stupid mirror/lenny |
| 15:09.50 | andrboot | is tired |
| 15:09.51 | andrboot | ( Current Time ) Hour: ( 1:12 AM ) Day: ( Wednesday ) Date: ( September 10, 2008 ) |
| 15:10.01 | OpenTokix | asg: thx, testin somethign |
| 15:10.02 | OpenTokix | brb |
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| 15:10.23 | asg | OpenTokix: then you'll need to find a way to boot the partition on md1 by itself. If it's a raid 1 mirror, that should be doable |
| 15:12.06 | andrboot | stew any ideas>? |
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| 15:14.55 | andrboot | hmm i think i got around it :p sweet ;D |
| 15:15.33 | enouf | OpenTokix: look at /etc/default/mdadm perhaps |
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| 15:18.23 | andrboot | hi; anyone got a linux-kbuild-2.6.22 deb? |
| 15:19.48 | stew | andrboot: you could try "/msg dpkg sdn" though that site hasn't been updating recently, also note that 2.6.22 is not secure. my recommendation would be to figure out why 2.6.26 is giving you problems, or use 2.6.24 from stable |
| 15:20.14 | OpenTokix | enouf: I can't boot |
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| 15:22.35 | lunaphyte_ | i have a .rpm file i'd like to extract. rpm2cpio seems to be the program of choice for doing this, but i don't see it in the package repo. what other ways are there to extract an rpm? |
| 15:22.42 | OpenTokix | lunaphyte_: alien |
| 15:22.51 | OpenTokix | lunaphyte_: apt-get install alien |
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| 15:23.44 | stew | lunaphyte_: rpm2cpio is in the rpm pacakge |
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| 15:24.24 | lunaphyte_ | stew: ah, thanks! |
| 15:25.56 | andrboot | msg dpkg sdn |
| 15:26.56 | zep^ | ay |
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| 15:29.59 | jpinx | if I apt-get remove <package> and omit the --purge option, can I go back and purge later? |
| 15:30.09 | jpinx | it seems to not work:-/ |
| 15:30.13 | asg | jpinx: yes, but you'll use dpkg -P <pkg> |
| 15:30.33 | jpinx | ah - not apt-get ? |
| 15:30.36 | stew | jpinx: you can with dpkg -P or aptitude purge but not apt-get |
| 15:30.37 | asg | right |
| 15:30.43 | jpinx | thanks asg: |
| 15:31.12 | asg | you're welcome |
| 15:31.30 | jpinx | stew: any advantage in aptitude - I hear that it does more than I might want on a slim build |
| 15:31.36 | zxd | is firefox 3 in lenny? |
| 15:31.40 | asg | zxd: yes |
| 15:31.49 | asg | zxd: well, iceweasel 3 |
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| 15:32.23 | stew | jpinx: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 15:32.32 | zep^ | hi, i'm new to debian and was wondering if it's possible to disable mousepad clicking, where can i disable it ? |
| 15:32.45 | jpinx | k |
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| 15:34.00 | asg | zep^: if you are using the synatpics mousepad driver, man 5 synaptics |
| 15:34.00 | themill | dpkg: tell zep^ about synaptics |
| 15:34.28 | andrboot | stew any other ideas?? :;p |
| 15:34.33 | liable | hmm, i have had random lockups for some time now. due to a freak occurence, i had a big-mem kernel installed and hadnt experienced them for a while. i got around to installing a plain 686 and my laptop just froze solid after an hour or so. might be luck though.. |
| 15:35.08 | stew | zep^: setting MaxTapTime to 0 disables clicking |
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| 15:35.40 | stew | andrboot: no. why can't you use 2.6.24? |
| 15:36.13 | andrboot | @ stew i have debian lenny |
| 15:36.31 | andrboot | it doesn't exist :| |
| 15:36.37 | stew | andrboot: it exists in stable |
| 15:36.51 | andrboot | hmm so your saying mix etch with lenny? |
| 15:37.11 | stew | andrboot: i'm saying use the kernel from etch, or use etch |
| 15:37.21 | stew | andrboot: or ask #vmware, or http://vmware.com/support |
| 15:37.31 | kqr-ssh | i've told cron to run a shell script '/root/duhome.sh' containing a 'du -s /home/* > /home/www/duhome.list'... problem is duhome.list never gets created. i've tested the script manually, and it works. i suspect it might be cron doesn't run with root rights, can i change that in any way? |
| 15:37.33 | andrboot | vmware is usles s |
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| 15:40.57 | liable | grr, icedove for some reason wont permanently accept a certificate |
| 15:43.00 | jpinx | having used aptitude purge, the package still shows in dpkg --get-selections "*" How do I get rid of it completely. I'm trying to get my system to occupy less hdd space |
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| 15:44.10 | asg | kqr-ssh: it depends on how you told cron to run the script. man 5 crontab (see the EXAMPLE SYSTEM CRON FILE for the format used by files placed in /etc/cron.d) |
| 15:44.14 | justin | jpinx: the word 'purge' does not take up much space |
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| 15:44.40 | webPragmatist | uhggg |
| 15:45.23 | zxd | what does a layout language mean? |
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| 15:45.59 | jpinx | justin: so I can't remove that package from the listing? |
| 15:46.11 | justin | jpinx: look elsewhere to free up space |
| 15:47.04 | jpinx | I'm looking everywhere, and also trying to de-clutter the whole system |
| 15:47.29 | jpinx | spring-cleaning time ;) |
| 15:47.33 | stew | jpinx: debian provides no way to get rid of this information. its taking up very little space |
| 15:47.58 | fantasticmrfox | Lo, it seems like my Lenny is caching DNS... whats the command the clear it (I'm testing my nameserver) |
| 15:48.16 | jpinx | ok - maybe I need to set up a vbox to experiment with packages then ... |
| 15:48.18 | fantasticmrfox | I'm not _on_ my nameserver, I'm on a desktop tho |
| 15:48.24 | stew | fantasticmrfox: what makes you say it is caching DNS? |
| 15:48.30 | Amarande | Which package would I have to install to get support for ACLs on a directory basis? |
| 15:48.44 | fantasticmrfox | stew: because it can resolve domains even when my nameserver is off :) |
| 15:48.49 | asg | Amarande: the 'acl' package |
| 15:48.56 | fantasticmrfox | stew: yet can't for ones I haven't pinged before |
| 15:49.02 | asg | Amarande: your filesystem must also support acls |
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| 15:49.10 | fantasticmrfox | It's caching I'm sure of it |
| 15:49.31 | stew | fantasticmrfox: how are you resolving them? like, with which command? |
| 15:49.38 | justin | fantasticmrfox: ping is not a dns diagnostic tool |
| 15:49.40 | fantasticmrfox | I'm just pinging my domains |
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| 15:49.45 | fantasticmrfox | justin, I didn't say it was |
| 15:49.54 | justin | but you are using it as one |
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| 15:49.58 | fantasticmrfox | no I'm not |
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| 15:51.05 | stew | fantasticmrfox: show us the contents of /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 15:51.33 | Paul_UK | hi all. im trying to compile a package in lenny. i've done this for etch no problem. Here is the output: http://pastebin.com/m5198bfef essentially dh-make-perl is trying to use apt-file to get the dependency when I have already got is installed! Any help would be great. |
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| 15:51.57 | stew | fantasticmrfox: or try to see if you get the same ip address with "host somehostname" or "nslookup somehostname" which will use dns not nss |
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| 15:52.00 | macrut | hello |
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| 15:52.10 | Amarande | hmm, I think heinlein.freenode.net just disappeared off to a ... strange land |
| 15:52.25 | stew | Amarande: #freenode |
| 15:52.25 | macrut | somebody knows what does Plumbing menas? |
| 15:52.28 | macrut | means * |
| 15:52.52 | macrut | I heard this word on a conference of a sound server |
| 15:52.56 | webPragmatist | does the authorized_keys file have to be a certain permission ? |
| 15:52.59 | themill | Paul_UK: have you run "apt-file update" as suggested? |
| 15:53.03 | webPragmatist | I followed this to teh T and can't get keys to work http://www.debianhelp.org/node/1198 |
| 15:53.09 | Amarande | anyway, does ext3 work with acls? |
| 15:53.14 | asg | macrut: in that context, it probably means 'all the bits that make it work' |
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| 15:53.18 | asg | Amarande: yes |
| 15:53.25 | stew | webPragmatist: yes, it should be 600 and owned by the user, and the directory should be 700 and also owned by the user |
| 15:53.34 | n3kl | Is anyone getting hal segfaults on boot? |
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| 15:53.37 | macrut | all the bits that make it work... |
| 15:53.52 | stew | n3kl: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:53.52 | macrut | and that means? I have a low lvl of english |
| 15:54.13 | n3kl | stew: I have already reported a bug, but nothing has been done. I now have seen the issue on another machine |
| 15:54.15 | zicho | If i run "alsa reload", its says "Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: (none loaded).". How do I make alsa load modules? |
| 15:54.22 | justin | webPragmatist: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 15:54.24 | Paul_UK | themill: yes but it asks for Linux_LennyBeta2__Lenny__-_Official_Beta_i386_DVD_Binary-1_20080607 and I have debian-LennyBeta2-i386-DVD-1.iso instead.. it comes up with cp: cannot stat `/cdrom/dists/lenny/Contents-i386.gz': No such file or directory and Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz |
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| 15:54.27 | asg | macrut: think of how your toilet connects to the pipes in your house and then to the mains and then to the sewage plants and then to the sea |
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| 15:55.03 | themill | Paul_UK: OK, so comment out the DVD in your /etc/apt/sources.list and use a regular mirror. |
| 15:55.18 | macrut | ok |
| 15:55.21 | macrut | I understand |
| 15:55.24 | asg | macrut: or you could ask in #debian-es; I'm sure someone could explain it in your native language |
| 15:55.30 | macrut | I ask it |
| 15:55.38 | macrut | Nobody knows it |
| 15:55.39 | outlaw84 | I installade a none debian-package from source, I would like to add its dependecies so that apt does not consider them unsude |
| 15:55.47 | outlaw84 | *unused |
| 15:56.15 | stew | outlaw84: man apt-mark |
| 15:56.59 | asg | stew: is that in stable? |
| 15:57.16 | Amarande | also: are ACLs on a directory automatically inherited by files in that directory? |
| 15:57.22 | Paul_UK | themill: done but keeps on saying Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz i guess i will try to find the file somewhere |
| 15:57.29 | webPragmatist | stew: damnit all this wasted time because it was group readable |
| 15:57.31 | webPragmatist | :) |
| 15:57.32 | stew | asg: no, but apt in stable doesn't have the concept of 'unused' either |
| 15:57.42 | asg | Amarande: no, but the *facl commands support recursion |
| 15:57.50 | themill | Paul_UK: do you want to pastebin your sources.list for someone to check over? |
| 15:58.05 | asg | stew: I get the feeling 'equivs' is what outlaw84 really wants |
| 15:58.19 | Amarande | bah, what I wanted to do was force files in certain directories to automatically acquire both owner and group writable-ness on-create |
| 15:58.21 | stew | webPragmatist: i don't know if it applies to your situation, but there is a ssh-copy-id command that you can use from the client side, which creates everything correctly for you |
| 15:58.33 | Paul_UK | themill: http://pastebin.com/m54baa37c |
| 15:58.39 | asg | Amarande: oh, you can do that by setting a proper umask for your users |
| 15:58.59 | outlaw84 | stew: thanks |
| 15:59.02 | Amarande | asg: that's global. I was trying to restrict it to things in /usr/local/games/wow. |
| 15:59.39 | themill | Paul_UK: looks OK. If you run "apt-get update" do you get any warnings or errors? |
| 15:59.59 | Paul_UK | nope no problems its going fine |
| 16:00.11 | webPragmatist | stew: yea i need to not be stupid and use a umask of 002 |
| 16:00.25 | webPragmatist | and my problems will be resolved |
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| 16:00.30 | stew | webPragmatist: you don't need to not be stupid |
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| 16:00.47 | stew | cuz we gots ur back |
| 16:00.52 | webPragmatist | lol thanks |
| 16:00.55 | Amarande | webPragmatist: you can't, however |
| 16:01.06 | asg | Amarande: you might be able to hack it by bind mounting it over itself with dmask, umask options. |
| 16:01.09 | Amarande | 1) force a user to use a umask of 002, or 2) allow the user to use 022 most places, but 002 within a certain tree. |
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| 16:01.41 | webPragmatist | Amarande: using sticky bits/ |
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| 16:02.26 | Amarande | webPragmatist: sticky bits only automatically set the owner or group of files within that directory, they don't set it so they have write permission :) |
| 16:02.28 | asg | webPragmatist: that'll keep the group owner but not the permissions |
| 16:02.40 | WordPress-Admin | selam kýzlar |
| 16:02.43 | WordPress-Admin | www.ismaileser.com |
| 16:02.45 | webPragmatist | oh ok didn't know if you guys knew something i didn't about sticky bits |
| 16:02.49 | Amarande | I already have 2775 on relevant folders |
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| 16:03.11 | webPragmatist | you can chmod 2775 ? |
| 16:03.18 | asg | yes |
| 16:03.23 | webPragmatist | damn i didn't even know that |
| 16:03.27 | themill | Paul_UK: so all is good then? "apt-file update" should now work ok |
| 16:03.30 | webPragmatist | thanks heh |
| 16:03.32 | Amarande | 2xxx sets the group sticky bit on a folder |
| 16:03.36 | Amarande | 4xxx sets the owner sticky bit |
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| 16:03.40 | Amarande | and 1xxx, I forget what that does |
| 16:03.50 | asg | webPragmatist: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions (Greycat's exhaustive treatise on the subject) |
| 16:04.32 | Amarande | hmm, I'm supposing it's also not possible to include "~" in a symbolic link and have it dynamically expand to "current user's home" |
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| 16:04.45 | Paul_UK | themill: no its still not working :( |
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| 16:06.01 | themill | Paul_UK: did apt-get update complete OK? |
| 16:06.32 | Paul_UK | themill: yes |
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| 16:11.49 | Amarande | hmm, maybe the simplest way to handle this is to create a simple C program that automatically goes through all files in that directory and resets them to the right permissions, and run it after WoW has been exited |
| 16:12.07 | Amarande | (setuid it root, of course ... is there a security risk with such a program, assuming that the directory to reset permissions on the files in is hard coded?) |
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| 16:12.38 | Paul_UK | themill: i updated the sources file. so im not getting any more errors. but it hasnt resolved my inital problem. dh-make-perl is being THICK. Its saying that it needs certain dependencies but i INSTALLED them via apt-get! http://pastebin.com/m17fc84d6 |
| 16:12.41 | winkler | winkler |
| 16:12.59 | Paul_UK | I didnt have this issue with etch |
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| 16:13.41 | justin | Paul_UK: are you sure that is an error? |
| 16:13.56 | justin | Paul_UK: seems to me all you have to do is remove the debian directory |
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| 16:14.16 | themill | Paul_UK: It's just telling you that those packages are needed. It's not telling you to install them |
| 16:14.17 | Paul_UK | justin, no its complainnig about the debian dir because it was already there from a previous try of dh-make-perl |
| 16:14.20 | igormorgado | hi there. Im running 1.2.7-4etch3 in debian etch, but now when I try to add a printer, on web screen "Make/Manufacturer for PRINTER", it stays forever until a timeout. Log Level is Debug and I havent find any clue to this problem. Any tips |
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| 16:14.57 | Paul_UK | themill: check out http://pastebin.com/m5198bfef lines 2 to 6 |
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| 16:15.13 | Paul_UK | the packages have already been installed via apt-get |
| 16:15.30 | themill | Paul_UK: that's from when apt-file wasn't working |
| 16:16.01 | themill | Paul_UK: I'm still not seeing an error message. What's not working now? |
| 16:16.35 | Paul_UK | themill, what isnt working is that its asking for certain pages: Needs the following debian packages: libparams-validate-perl, libdate-manip-perl, liblog-dispatch-perl, liblog-log4perl-perl |
| 16:16.47 | Freeaqingme | I got a box with basically one partition, which is mounted at / (doh). For some odd reason it is mounted read-only, how do I get it in read/write mode (even if it were just to edit fstab)? |
| 16:16.48 | Paul_UK | which HAVE been installed with apt-get |
| 16:17.03 | Paul_UK | this is the issue. apt-file isnt seeing what apt-get has done |
| 16:17.03 | themill | Paul_UK: and... it's only telling you that the packages are needed. Nowhere is it telling you that they are not installed. |
| 16:17.15 | adamm | Freeaqingme: mount -o remount,rw / |
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| 16:17.31 | themill | Paul_UK: apt-file has no knowledge of what is installed and what is not. The tool is not used that way |
| 16:17.39 | Freeaqingme | adamm, that easy :X sorry for bothering, hadn't found/seen that in the man pages :/ |
| 16:17.43 | asg | Freeaqingme: it's probably been remounted ro due to a filesystem corruption issue. You should reboot and fsck it before following adamm's advice if that's the case. |
| 16:17.52 | Paul_UK | themill: right, so i shouldnt be taking it literally then? hmmm.. ? |
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| 16:18.02 | Freeaqingme | asg, the filesystem itself is ok |
| 16:18.08 | Paul_UK | themill: as it reads to me, its complaining that it needs them, as it cant find them |
| 16:18.59 | themill | Paul_UK: you can take it perfectly literally. Where is it complaining that they are not there? "Foo needs a b and c" is just an information message. It is very different from "error: foo needs a but it is not installed". |
| 16:19.21 | adamm | asg: from my experience, I also get them when fstab points to a different root than the kernel was passed. Then you have to fix the fstab. |
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| 16:19.34 | Mike1 | hey |
| 16:20.02 | Mike1 | i'm using debian etch and selected the austrian TU-repo |
| 16:20.09 | Paul_UK | themill. it doesnt directly say.. packages are not installed. Im saying, because it uses the wording NEEDS. I am taking this as, oh its saying its not installed therefore it needs them "installed". Do you see what I am saying now? |
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| 16:20.28 | themill | Paul_UK: no |
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| 16:20.37 | Mike1 | somehow I only get ~100KB/sec, but my connection would be able to do ~200KB/sec |
| 16:20.59 | Paul_UK | themill: ok how about this SEARCHING FOR PACKAGE. this to me says that the system cant find whats installed via apt-get |
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| 16:22.00 | themill | Paul_UK: apt-get doesn't tell dh-make-perl that the package libparams-validate-perl contains Params::Validate. Therefore apt-file is used to work out what package contains that module. |
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| 16:22.59 | themill | Paul_UK: I can see nothing wrong with the current wording. It makes perfect sense to me. If you can suggest something clearer that is actually correct, then please file a bug in the bts. /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 16:23.03 | Paul_UK | themill: when i do this using etch. if I dont have the dependencies, it will complain they arent missing. If I install those dependencies via apt-get. Guess what? The message goes away! So this tells me, that under lenny, this process is broke. |
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| 16:24.17 | themill | Paul_UK: dh-make-perl's dependency handling in etch was crappy. It's become a lot better since it started using apt-file. The message is *informational*. Being told what is going on is a *good* thing. |
| 16:25.11 | Paul_UK | themill: agreed. well perphaps they should put Informational then to stop those like me worrying whether or not everything is ok. I do know that it needs certain dependencies, theres really no need to tell me, unless theres an error sometwhere. |
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| 16:25.23 | martin_ | j #ubuntu |
| 16:25.37 | themill | Paul_UK: all the lines are informational. why clutter up the output? warnings and errors are marked as such. |
| 16:26.31 | idimmu | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
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| 16:26.35 | themill | Paul_UK: but seriously... I don't think there's anything wrong with it, so I'm not going to file a bug about it, but if you think there is something wrong, then file a bug, send patches. That's how this process works. |
| 16:26.36 | idimmu | im getting that from one of my repos |
| 16:26.42 | idimmu | is there anyway to find out more information about it |
| 16:26.48 | Freeaqingme | adamm, care having a look at this? http://rafb.net/p/7IOjM729.html I'm trying to override the values set in fstab, but I dont seem to be able to manage... |
| 16:26.52 | idimmu | i.e. whether the packages are signed, which key id they were signed with etc etc? |
| 16:26.55 | Paul_UK | themill: sure i'll check if the packages work. if they do, then i'll leave it at that |
| 16:27.13 | Paul_UK | themill: thanks for your help though, much appricated |
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| 16:27.20 | themill | no worries |
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| 16:33.35 | adamm | Freeaqingme: Ok. That's a little messed up. You could try mounting the file system `mount /dev/blah /some_other_dir` and doing changes there. Or booting from installation media and mounting the file system there to do changes. Or maybe try `mount -o remount,rw /dev/blah /` or without the / ? I'm just guessing, but it is possible to avoid the mount from reading your broken fstab. |
| 16:34.02 | Freeaqingme | k |
| 16:34.03 | Freeaqingme | ty |
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| 16:35.28 | Freeaqingme | adamm, mount -o remount,rw /dev/sda1 / works, ty :D |
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| 16:36.36 | Hanzomon | sry |
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| 16:46.41 | dudeman | hey |
| 16:46.45 | dudeman | whats goin gon in the world of #debian |
| 16:47.27 | dudeman | anyone? |
| 16:47.37 | themill | dpkg, what are we going to do tonight |
| 16:47.37 | dpkg | themill: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 16:47.43 | dudeman | nothings been goin on in like 14 minutes |
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| 16:47.46 | dudeman | why are you all silent |
| 16:47.48 | Kovensky | dpkg: lol |
| 16:47.48 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 16:47.51 | dudeman | c'mon people talk debian support |
| 16:47.56 | Kovensky | dpkg: heh |
| 16:47.56 | dpkg | Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such. |
| 16:47.57 | dudeman | y'all are boring me |
| 16:48.12 | Kovensky | dudeman: play with dpkg |
| 16:48.17 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.17 | dudeman | no |
| 16:48.18 | Kovensky | dpkg: play with dudeman |
| 16:48.18 | dpkg | Kovensky: no idea |
| 16:48.18 | themill | dudeman: we normally don't complain when the tards haven't come out to play.... |
| 16:48.23 | Kovensky | dpkg: :( |
| 16:48.23 | dpkg | ) |
| 16:48.38 | Kovensky | themill: indeed |
| 16:48.41 | dudeman | themill, thats sunday :) |
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| 16:49.16 | dudeman | themill, I used ubuntu/xp pro for a while when I was gaming |
| 16:49.25 | dudeman | now it feels so good to finally boot debian on my desktop again |
| 16:49.34 | dudeman | oh man so clean, lean, nice solid and stable |
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| 16:49.45 | dudeman | I am in love with debian all over again after 8 years still |
| 16:49.45 | dusty_ | If somehow I removed gnome and i am left at the console - long story whats the easiest package to install to get me back up and running isn't there a gnome-desktop or something ? |
| 16:49.53 | dudeman | !install gnome |
| 16:49.53 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. |
| 16:49.58 | dudeman | I would advise gnome core |
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| 16:50.05 | dudeman | go/build from there |
| 16:50.18 | themill | !permasunday |
| 16:50.18 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 16:50.25 | dudeman | dusty_, in fact, if I maybe so bold as to suggest xfce? |
| 16:50.26 | dudeman | perhaps |
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| 16:50.35 | Kovensky | advises to stick with the framebuffer |
| 16:50.37 | dudeman | dusty_, aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies |
| 16:50.55 | Kovensky | dudeman: lxde? |
| 16:51.02 | dudeman | I'm sorry? |
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| 16:51.48 | dusty_ | Thank you. |
| 16:51.54 | dudeman | yw |
| 16:52.11 | dudeman | themill, are you into web development at all |
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| 16:52.20 | themill | sometimes |
| 16:52.23 | dudeman | cool |
| 16:52.30 | dudeman | themill, may I msg you? |
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| 16:53.33 | themill | dudeman: take it to #debian-offtopic, there might be others who can answer your questions there as well. |
| 16:53.47 | dudeman | I don't have questions. |
| 16:53.59 | dudeman | but If you'd rather I didnt msg you, its ok |
| 16:54.05 | dudeman | a direct answer is much appreciated. |
| 16:54.39 | themill | I'm at work atm so I'm not that interested in idle chat. I help out here if I've got a dull spot while I'm waiting for something else to happen. |
| 16:54.59 | dudeman | fair enough. |
| 16:55.36 | themill | (I thought it sounded like you wanted to chat about webdev in which case the people in #debian-offtopic will probably join in) |
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| 16:56.21 | dudeman | I actually wanted to tell you about my new project, www.opensourcewebdevelopment.info and #opensourcewebdevelopment and was wondering if you'd be kind enough to grace us with your presense. I don't normally ask people I don't know, hence my reason for asking _you_. |
| 16:56.57 | dudeman | I thought a /msg would be better suited to that than in #debian, but have it your way |
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| 16:57.57 | themill | dudeman: ETOOBUSY... thanks anyway though :) |
| 16:58.04 | dudeman | is ok mate |
| 16:58.08 | dudeman | busy busy busy :) |
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| 16:59.29 | werwolf | hi, please help me, I just installed debian ther first time on my new HDD |
| 16:59.33 | jelly-home | dudeman: are hfds.com nice? their site is... empty |
| 16:59.43 | werwolf | by start I get a lot of error messages |
| 16:59.51 | werwolf | hdc: drive not ready :( |
| 16:59.55 | werwolf | please help me |
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| 17:00.06 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 17:00.18 | dudeman | jelly-home, jetscreamers server |
| 17:00.35 | dudeman | jelly-home, he gave me hosting, I put on two domains there, now I'm working on them on my private server before I upload them to the main site |
| 17:00.35 | Fox_1_ | people I'm trying to run program but it write "No such file or directory". |
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| 17:00.45 | jelly-home | dudeman: oh, all right then |
| 17:00.47 | dudeman | jelly-home, its free so I don't complain |
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| 17:01.02 | dudeman | jelly-home, and actually fairly good server too, not bad, just one thing though, no ssh access |
| 17:01.06 | dudeman | :( |
| 17:01.51 | dudeman | jelly-home, http://dudeman.gotdns.com <-- I am very new to web dev and as such I am not an artist, and I suck big time. Check it out anyway |
| 17:01.59 | Amarande | is debian's directory structure compatible with the lexmark PPD install script? |
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| 17:02.08 | dudeman | lexmark printer? |
| 17:02.14 | Amarande | yeah |
| 17:02.21 | dudeman | I am sure lexmark is supported by debian itself probably no? |
| 17:02.31 | dudeman | why use 3rd party driver I'm sure debian users own lexmark printers |
| 17:02.33 | dudeman | !lexmark |
| 17:02.36 | dudeman | ? |
| 17:02.43 | Fox_1_ | I took freebsd package and trying to run the application for freebsd :) |
| 17:02.55 | Amarande | Fox: Fail :) |
| 17:03.24 | pobega | If I am running my processor at 225 MHz due to CPU frequency scaling and top reports an app using "35%" of the processor, is that 35% out of the underclocked amount or the full processor? |
| 17:03.26 | Fox_1_ | I can't? |
| 17:03.36 | Amarande | you're running Linux ;) |
| 17:03.38 | dudeman | underclocked |
| 17:03.52 | Amarande | oh, also on the subject of top: |
| 17:04.02 | Amarande | on a dual core processor, is that the % of both processors or just one core? |
| 17:04.09 | dudeman | 1 |
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| 17:04.29 | pobega | Well it's a 900 MHz Celeron, I'm underclocking to preserve battery life, so there is only one core |
| 17:04.31 | JordiGH | Any idea how to ignore colors in xchat, or will I have to give up my beloved client for something else? |
| 17:04.32 | Fox_1_ | yeah, I know. I mean can I do something like linux32 or ... for freebsd :) |
| 17:04.40 | Fox_1_ | ok |
| 17:04.45 | dudeman | JordiGH, #xchat knows probably |
| 17:04.45 | Fox_1_ | sorry :) |
| 17:04.47 | pobega | And I think underclocked would be the proper word, I'm not sure. |
| 17:04.50 | dudeman | JordiGH, probably a theme issue |
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| 17:04.57 | Gm4n | JordiGH: if you're considering giving up, I love irssi (I switched from xchat myself) |
| 17:04.58 | dudeman | pobega, throttles/scaled. |
| 17:05.03 | dudeman | in fact, "scaled down" |
| 17:05.15 | dudeman | irssi ftw |
| 17:05.28 | pobega | dudeman: Oh, okay, thanks for the corrction. |
| 17:05.36 | Gm4n | why would vsftpd run fine from the command line, but not if I use the init.d script? |
| 17:05.48 | dudeman | hey |
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| 17:05.55 | dudeman | http://dudeman.gotdns.com/irssi.png |
| 17:06.10 | dudeman | thas right |
| 17:06.13 | dudeman | my irssi kicks major booty |
| 17:06.27 | Amarande | gah, have to format the network address of my printer as a URI |
| 17:06.29 | JordiGH | Gm4n: Yeah, I was expecting someone would say irssi. It's ok. In fact, maybe I'll switch. I'm kinda annoyed that Xchat (or GTK, for that matter) isn't obeying my custom key settings. |
| 17:06.34 | Amarande | are lexmark printers ipp:// or something else? |
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| 17:06.45 | n3kl | dudeman: care to paste your config? |
| 17:07.17 | dudeman | n3kl, hmmm ok |
| 17:08.25 | Gm4n | I shouldn't have mentioned irssi; nobody noticed my actual question :P |
| 17:08.49 | Amarande | crud. also: ISO8859-1 or UTF-8 PPD for Debian? |
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| 17:09.43 | n3kl | dudeman: yeah, thanks. I want to know how you got your nics to line up |
| 17:09.47 | dudeman | http://pastebin.com/m5b65f9b |
| 17:09.55 | dudeman | n3kl, /format |
| 17:10.04 | dudeman | n3kl, /help format |
| 17:10.14 | n3kl | dudeman: ahh, nice |
| 17:10.32 | Amarande | or does it matter which one I choose? |
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| 17:10.44 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 17:11.01 | dudeman | n3kl, http://pastebin.com/m1613ae3 |
| 17:11.32 | n3kl | dudeman: thanks! |
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| 17:11.50 | dudeman | ns = "/^msg nickserv "; cs = "/^msg chanserv "; |
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| 17:12.05 | dudeman | you may also want these aliases in irssi, i hate typing /msg nickserv (oof) |
| 17:12.10 | halflife | hello folks when when i run safe-update and kernel is updated, my grub file gets over written resulting me loosing the opts i have specified there. how do i config my system so that the changes persist when the kernel/grub is updated |
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| 17:12.21 | dudeman | safe-upgrade! |
| 17:12.23 | dudeman | not update |
| 17:12.50 | halflife | dudeman: sorry typo |
| 17:12.50 | themill | dudeman: for freenode, you might find /msg alis is more useful as lots of stuff has been moved off chanserv recently |
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| 17:12.51 | dudeman | update-grub will overwrite menu.lst |
| 17:13.04 | dudeman | update-grub is called upon a new kernel image installation through post inst scripting |
| 17:13.05 | siyb | i have a mdadm raid with one broken harddrive. how would i identify the drive so that i can replace it? |
| 17:13.10 | dudeman | I'm not sure how to get around that... |
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| 17:13.19 | wols | halflife: depends on the options. read the COMMENTS in your menu.lst |
| 17:13.21 | dudeman | just backup your copy of menu.lst before you upgrade? |
| 17:13.29 | wols | dudeman: no |
| 17:13.30 | dudeman | I am not a expert on grub |
| 17:13.32 | halflife | wols: thank u |
| 17:13.39 | dudeman | no what? |
| 17:13.41 | JordiGH | How do you alias ssh? I've seen people do stuff like "ssh somebox" instead of "ssh somebox.somedomain.net" (and yes, it's a remote box, not on local network). |
| 17:13.43 | wols | halflife: is it the root= option? |
| 17:13.45 | themill | halflife: look for the line with # kopt= in it. And read the comments around it |
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| 17:13.55 | wols | dudeman: do not backup menu.lst and restore it afterwards |
| 17:13.56 | dudeman | wols, update-grub is not called on postinst of kernel packages? |
| 17:13.59 | themill | JordiGH: .ssh/config (man ssh_config) |
| 17:14.00 | dudeman | wols, oh ok |
| 17:14.00 | halflife | siyb: cat /proc/mdstat if i remember correctly |
| 17:14.02 | wols | dudeman: it is |
| 17:14.06 | dudeman | wols, I misunderstood |
| 17:14.13 | halflife | themill: thanks |
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| 17:14.21 | dudeman | wols, may I inqurie why? |
| 17:14.34 | siyb | halflife: i know that it is sdb, i just need to know which drive it is |
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| 17:15.01 | siyb | i mean the identifiers are given away with the first come first serve priciple iirc, so i am not sure which harddrive to replace |
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| 17:15.05 | JordiGH | themill: What am I looking for? HostKeyAlias doesn't sound like it... |
| 17:15.05 | wols | because menu.lst can be configured properly with #groot #kopt and the like. ONLY the kernel list is replaced by update-grub. rest is kept |
| 17:15.09 | siyb | brb |
| 17:15.16 | dudeman | yes |
| 17:15.17 | dudeman | ok |
| 17:15.19 | wols | and the rest determines what there will be written for kernel list |
| 17:15.20 | wols | s |
| 17:15.23 | dudeman | n3kl, did you like my config? |
| 17:15.25 | halflife | siyb: look at /proc/scsi/scsi and dmesg if it is a scsi disk you will know which one you can match them |
| 17:15.34 | wols | e.g. root=, kernel options and the like |
| 17:15.38 | dudeman | n3kl, #irssi and its website, read the startupn howto, manual configuration |
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| 17:15.45 | dudeman | wols, i see |
| 17:15.48 | dudeman | that clears it up |
| 17:15.50 | werwolf | wolf please help me, just installed debina on e new hdd, I get this error 100 times: hdc: drive not ready :( |
| 17:15.59 | werwolf | wols please help me, just installed debina on e new hdd, I get this error 100 times: hdc: drive not ready :( |
| 17:16.00 | dudeman | wolf |
| 17:16.15 | wols | werwolf: does a hdc actually exist? fidisk -l |
| 17:16.19 | dudeman | fdisk |
| 17:16.21 | JordiGH | debina++ |
| 17:16.26 | JordiGH | She sounds kinda sexy |
| 17:16.26 | dudeman | wols, stretch yer fingers buddy :) |
| 17:16.29 | wols | yup, fdisk -l |
| 17:16.29 | werwolf | no idea |
| 17:16.33 | werwolf | I have 2 hdds |
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| 17:16.37 | werwolf | one with xp |
| 17:16.42 | themill | JordiGH: example: http://rafb.net/p/PibhuM97.html you can use IP addrs instead of names to save the ns lookup too |
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| 17:16.43 | werwolf | and this second with debian |
| 17:16.47 | jawbrkr | does anybody use tora? |
| 17:16.48 | wols | werwolf: WHEN exactly will that message show? |
| 17:16.52 | dudeman | !enter |
| 17:16.52 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 17:16.58 | werwolf | while starting debian |
| 17:17.03 | werwolf | after restart |
| 17:17.08 | werwolf | a lot of times |
| 17:17.11 | wols | werwolf: before grub shows up? |
| 17:17.12 | JordiGH | themill: Sweet, thanks! |
| 17:17.16 | werwolf | yes |
| 17:17.26 | wols | werwolf: boot from a rescue cd or live cd |
| 17:17.28 | dudeman | before grub? so its a bios error? |
| 17:17.28 | wols | !resceu |
| 17:17.30 | wols | !rescue |
| 17:17.31 | dpkg | [rescue] at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
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| 17:17.37 | themill | JordiGH: do some reading about the ControlMaster options before you use them by the way... they change the way ssh acts quite a lot |
| 17:17.39 | werwolf | wols I am not sure |
| 17:17.43 | werwolf | may be after |
| 17:17.49 | dudeman | if grub isnt being passed control of hd after bios then where is the issue? |
| 17:17.53 | wols | werwolf: grub shows a menu. is that menu there. yes or no? |
| 17:18.01 | werwolf | yes |
| 17:18.07 | dudeman | well then its not BEFORE grub |
| 17:18.08 | dudeman | is it? |
| 17:18.09 | xand | dudeman: wrong boot device |
| 17:18.19 | xand | oh. |
| 17:18.20 | wols | werwolf: ok, you choose a linux in that menu. what happens then? |
| 17:18.26 | dudeman | xand, thats not his error andhe has mistakenly provided wrong information |
| 17:18.29 | dudeman | its no problem |
| 17:18.29 | wols | werwolf: you must tell us what happens. we are not psychic |
| 17:18.48 | werwolf | debian is loading trying to acces hdc :( |
| 17:18.56 | werwolf | after a while starts debian |
| 17:19.00 | wols | werwolf: more info needed. WHAT is on screen |
| 17:19.01 | werwolf | may be 5 minutes |
| 17:19.13 | dudeman | wols, sounds like a drive goin back |
| 17:19.18 | dudeman | probably seek errors and hangups |
| 17:19.23 | wols | you press "enter" on a linux kernel tell us EXACTLY what happens |
| 17:19.24 | werwolf | I am nearly first time user of debian :( sorry |
| 17:19.32 | dudeman | s/back/bad |
| 17:19.42 | dudeman | any i'll keep my nose out :) |
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| 17:19.44 | dudeman | wols, enjoy |
| 17:19.45 | wols | werwolf: that doesn't matter. you are not insane and can tell us what heppns. DO IT |
| 17:20.03 | werwolf | Ok, wols I will restart to see it again? |
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| 17:20.25 | dudeman | werwolf, if you can't remember, writ it down come back and tell us |
| 17:20.27 | wols | werwolf: I don't care what you do. either you tell us what we ask or you can solve your problems alone. easy, right? |
| 17:20.27 | werwolf | I was very stressed so I did not pai anough atencion |
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| 17:20.59 | werwolf | ok, I will try it . wait me please. What kind of info do you need exactly wols? |
| 17:21.13 | Amarande | foomatic-gui bugged under Etch? |
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| 17:21.18 | wols | I told you. tell us EXACTLY what happens. what is one the screen and when etc |
| 17:21.21 | Amarande | I went through the whole process and there's no printer in the list after all |
| 17:21.26 | dudeman | werwolf, write down excatly what happens after you select a entry from grub menu |
| 17:21.37 | wols | Amarande: http://localhost:631 |
| 17:21.38 | Melior | Hi. Will anyone be so kind to help me set up ftp with ssl? |
| 17:21.44 | werwolf | ok, thanks wait me please :) |
| 17:21.48 | dudeman | werwolf, what messages you get, how long it takes, anything important we can use... be as thorough as possible |
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| 17:21.49 | Melior | im using gproftpd.. |
| 17:21.51 | wols | Melior: use ssh/scp |
| 17:21.59 | Melior | wols? why? |
| 17:22.09 | wols | cause ftp sucks in all its incarnations |
| 17:22.18 | dudeman | do you NEED ftp? |
| 17:22.25 | wols | the only reason to use ftp is for anon access. and for that you don't need ftp over ssl |
| 17:22.35 | wols | so use scp instead |
| 17:22.35 | Amarande | I fail |
| 17:22.44 | Amarande | apparently, space is not a character liked in linux printer names under cups. :) |
| 17:23.03 | dudeman | use windows |
| 17:23.05 | dudeman | or mac |
| 17:23.07 | Melior | I need ftp... dunno whats scp is |
| 17:23.12 | JordiGH | Amarande: Huh? My printer is named Ze Printer, with a space and all. |
| 17:23.18 | wols | !scp |
| 17:23.19 | dpkg | scp is Secure Copy, part of the ssh suite, and a very handy program. The client program is in the openssh-client package and it just uses the ssh server at the other end so you don't need to install anything special on the server (openssh-server package). ssh + cpio. Install scponly to restrict commands to scp-users. More infos: <sftp><sshfs> |
| 17:23.20 | dudeman | Melior, secure copy/shell copy |
| 17:23.20 | themill | dpkg: tell Melior about scp |
| 17:23.22 | Amarande | Jordi: "(May contain any printable characters except "/", "#", and space)" |
| 17:23.25 | dudeman | whatever |
| 17:23.37 | wols | Melior: you _think_ you need ftp. but that is a mistake |
| 17:23.38 | JordiGH | wols: Wikipedia once referred to scp as a "legacy protocol", hehe. |
| 17:23.39 | themill | Amarande: it's certainly easier not use use such characters... |
| 17:23.41 | n3kl | dudeman: what is the mask = "demio"? Is that the mode you set? |
| 17:23.46 | dudeman | no |
| 17:23.53 | dudeman | demio is just an asshole I put on ignore |
| 17:23.57 | dudeman | can't reemmber which channel |
| 17:24.03 | n3kl | oh |
| 17:24.05 | Amarande | ehh, ftp may suck in other incarnations, but it was pretty awesome as anon |
| 17:24.10 | siyb | halflife: well the problem is, that the drive is completly gone. therefore i can't find anything in /proc/proc/scsi or /sys/bus/scsi, additionally, i am working on my homeserver, i haven't been home for three month and dmesg does not feature any info about the incident anymore :( |
| 17:24.13 | dudeman | tftp! |
| 17:24.19 | Melior | Wols > I dont think. I know |
| 17:24.19 | Amarande | especially compared to all these busy graphical advertisement-laden HTTP download sites we get now |
| 17:24.24 | wols | Amarande: but with anon your don't do ftp over ssl |
| 17:24.28 | Melior | amarande > anon? |
| 17:24.30 | wols | Melior: that you' |
| 17:24.34 | dudeman | anonymous |
| 17:24.41 | wols | Melior: that you're mistaken. cool. then stop using ftp |
| 17:24.45 | Amarande | "yay let's force the user to download about 50 times as much data in site graphics and ads as actual file some of the time!" |
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| 17:25.12 | dudeman | disable pics in browser |
| 17:25.23 | dudeman | use adblock hosts file pointing to 0.0.0.0 |
| 17:25.26 | JordiGH | Amarande: Iceweasel+adblockplus+elementhidinghelper. It's the only way to surf anymore. |
| 17:25.28 | dudeman | use adblock extentions |
| 17:25.31 | dudeman | call it a night. |
| 17:25.41 | dudeman | JordiGH, "remove it permanently" is much better |
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| 17:25.50 | dudeman | userstyles.org and userscripts.org is a great plus for ice |
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| 17:25.55 | JordiGH | dudeman: What, the ads? |
| 17:26.01 | hulatang | can I &>> to append output to the log file? |
| 17:26.07 | dudeman | JordiGH, element hiding helper sucks |
| 17:26.11 | werwolf | I am back |
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| 17:26.22 | werwolf | hdc: dive not ready for command |
| 17:26.30 | Amarande | Of course, sooner or later, I'll be married, have a pregnant wife and all that and be thinking that the money-making aspect of the net is a very grand thing indeed, much as I may disparage it now. LOL |
| 17:26.33 | wols | werwolf: there will be OTHER stuff on the screen before that |
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| 17:26.47 | Amarande | oh, speaking of iceweasel ... what's the debian name for thunderbird? |
| 17:26.49 | werwolf | loading please wait |
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| 17:27.05 | JordiGH | dudeman: Huh? Why do you say that? It rocks. Some sites actually serve you alternate ads when they detect adblock; Flickr is one of those. So you just remove the extra ones with element hiding helper. What's your complaint? |
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| 17:27.16 | Melior | Wols > and if i want to use it, how do i configurate gproftdp to use it? |
| 17:27.17 | werwolf | t lockup - cpu # stuck for mod probe :705 |
| 17:27.22 | wols | pastebin your menu.lst please |
| 17:27.25 | JordiGH | Amarande: Icebird Icedove Iceyermom |
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| 17:27.44 | dudeman | JordiGH, adblock hosts file |
| 17:27.47 | wols | werwolf: it doesn't say that. |
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| 17:27.54 | werwolf | :O |
| 17:27.55 | abrotman | !icelizard |
| 17:27.55 | JordiGH | dudeman: Hosts files? |
| 17:27.56 | dpkg | Icelizard is the collection of applications that replace popular Mozilla applications, currently listed as IceWeasel(Firefox), IceDove(Thunderbird), IceApe(SeaMonkey), IceOwl(Sunbird). |
| 17:27.56 | dudeman | JordiGH, thats really all you need plus adblock |
| 17:28.00 | dudeman | JordiGH, YES! |
| 17:28.02 | dudeman | a fucking hosts file |
| 17:28.03 | dudeman | ffs. |
| 17:28.06 | wols | werwolf: stuff is missing and you added garbage |
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| 17:28.15 | Amarande | Heh, I don't even know what SeaMonkey and Sunbird are :) |
| 17:28.23 | dudeman | JordiGH, do u know anything about networking? |
| 17:28.27 | dudeman | JordiGH, or the hosts file? |
| 17:28.32 | werwolf | wols please tell what have I to look exactly for |
| 17:28.34 | wols | Amarande: seamonkey is the old mozilla browser (all in one). sunbird is a PIM |
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| 17:28.40 | werwolf | I can not write that fast |
| 17:28.41 | wols | werwolf: ALL output |
| 17:28.43 | werwolf | :'( |
| 17:28.44 | JordiGH | dudeman: That doesn't cut it. I want to remove specific CSS elements, often hosted on the same server. I don't want to see a blank "article continues below advertisement", I just don't even want to see that phrase at all. |
| 17:28.59 | dudeman | JordiGH, userstyles.org |
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| 17:29.09 | werwolf | I am lost :( |
| 17:29.13 | dudeman | JordiGH, usrscritps.org too. greasemonkey and stylish extentions |
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| 17:29.17 | JordiGH | dudeman: It's easier to just click on the thing I want gone, tada! it's gone |
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| 17:29.31 | dudeman | JordiGH, adblock hosts file, remove it permanently <-- right click, hide any element on page perm. |
| 17:29.37 | wols | werwolf: it makes no sense for the PC to print "< werwolf> t lockup - cpu # stuck for mod probe :705 |
| 17:29.41 | dudeman | element hiding helper sucks because it doesn't letyou Xpath hide |
| 17:29.43 | wols | on screen. so you mangled it. do not mangle it! |
| 17:29.46 | dudeman | RIP does |
| 17:30.00 | dudeman | if you don't care to check out soemthing that better |
| 17:30.04 | dudeman | then its ok, you're missing out |
| 17:30.04 | JordiGH | dudeman: Whatever dude, I'm happy with it, and I don't see ads. |
| 17:30.06 | dudeman | have at it |
| 17:30.09 | wols | werwolf: and I told you to pastebin your menu.lst |
| 17:30.20 | dudeman | element hiding helper only hides ads |
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| 17:30.35 | dudeman | RIP can remove anything from a page you want, across a pge, across that domain, across similar pages |
| 17:30.43 | werwolf | wols I am a begginer in debian, please tell me like for an idiot :( |
| 17:30.52 | werwolf | I don't know anyghing now |
| 17:30.56 | dudeman | !tell werwolf -about grounding |
| 17:30.57 | werwolf | but I will learn |
| 17:31.04 | Melior | Wols > Could you help me with ftp and ssl if i asked you? |
| 17:31.06 | Amarande | "enter username and password for CUPS" |
| 17:31.08 | dudeman | werwolf, also consult /msg from dpkg |
| 17:31.11 | Amarande | that my root credentials? |
| 17:31.14 | JordiGH | dudeman: Are you saying that it actually downloads the ads but doesn't display them? That's ok. I can afford the wasted bandwidth. |
| 17:31.26 | n-iCe_ | will lenny run in this pc well? http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00034132&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=94492 |
| 17:31.27 | Melior | Or would you still recomment scp |
| 17:31.30 | JordiGH | dudeman: Besides, some sites even won't show the content if you don't request the ad too. |
| 17:31.31 | werwolf | dudeman: I will read it when debina works :( |
| 17:31.34 | pickcoder | Amarande: normally |
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| 17:31.36 | dudeman | JordiGH, no.. I'm saying RIP is not only for ads, but also for ANYTHING on the page you don't like. |
| 17:31.37 | wols | Amarande: afaik by default it is |
| 17:31.44 | werwolf | I don't wanna wait 5 minute while start |
| 17:31.46 | JordiGH | dudeman: So is element hiding helper, jeez. |
| 17:31.51 | dudeman | JordiGH, you can remove whatever element you want. |
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| 17:32.04 | dudeman | JordiGH, like I said, it sucks so much more than RIP |
| 17:32.04 | wols | n-iCe_: not enough ram for most anything |
| 17:32.05 | JordiGH | dudeman: YOU CAN REMOVE WHATEVER ELEMENT YOU WANT WITH ELEMENT HIDING HELPER TOO. |
| 17:32.13 | dudeman | JordiGH, YOU CANT! |
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| 17:32.21 | JordiGH | Fuck, yes you can. |
| 17:32.25 | dudeman | fuck no you can't. |
| 17:32.29 | Amarande | dudeman: try removing <P>. :) |
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| 17:32.34 | themill | points JordiGH and dudeman to #debian-offtopic |
| 17:32.36 | n-iCe_ | wols: neither wieh kde? |
| 17:32.36 | JordiGH | I remove stuff like Gmail's chatbox, for excample. |
| 17:32.40 | Amarande | or maybe <HTML> :) |
| 17:32.41 | n-iCe_ | wols: with |
| 17:32.43 | wols | JordiGH, dudeman: can you flame each other elsewhere? please? |
| 17:32.47 | JordiGH | I remove table entries. |
| 17:32.50 | dudeman | I give up!! |
| 17:32.53 | wols | n-iCe_: definitely not with ANY X |
| 17:32.56 | dudeman | its like talking to a fucking wall |
| 17:32.58 | n-iCe_ | oh |
| 17:32.58 | dudeman | man |
| 17:33.00 | n-iCe_ | thanks |
| 17:33.05 | dudeman | n-iCe_, hey sup |
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| 17:33.15 | wols | n-iCe_: for kde you want at least 256MB, better 512 |
| 17:33.22 | dudeman | 128mb is fine for kde |
| 17:33.27 | n-iCe_ | uhm |
| 17:33.30 | dudeman | 256 is better |
| 17:33.33 | dudeman | 512 is excellent |
| 17:33.37 | themill | Melior: you still haven't convinced us why you absolutely need ftp and not something far more sensible. |
| 17:33.56 | n-iCe_ | what distro can I use in this pc? |
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| 17:34.05 | dudeman | so what should all these hosting companies do? not provide ftp access? |
| 17:34.09 | dudeman | what is an alternative? |
| 17:34.17 | wols | n-iCe_: with kde/X? not debian. so it's OT here |
| 17:34.27 | abrotman | why not? |
| 17:34.32 | maligor | n-iCe, puppylinux? |
| 17:34.38 | dudeman | !mmhr |
| 17:34.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, mmhr is Meeting Minimum Hardware Requirments per Debian 4.0 i386 install guide <ig> at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 17:34.45 | n-iCe_ | but xp runs awesome |
| 17:34.46 | n-iCe_ | lol |
| 17:34.52 | dudeman | read that man |
| 17:34.52 | abrotman | n-iCe_: just install debian |
| 17:34.55 | wols | n-iCe_: stop being OT and a liar |
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| 17:34.58 | maligor | xfce might work on it |
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| 17:35.28 | themill | dudeman: unforunately, they still provide ftp. Many offer reasonable web upload interfaces. You could do webdavs or they could provide sftp access. There are many options that won't see the boxes rooted. |
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| 17:35.49 | n-iCe_ | wols: I am not lying :) |
| 17:35.51 | dudeman | themill, true true... but thats just the way it is |
| 17:36.22 | abrotman | n-iCe_: if you're not going to install Debian .. then you need to ask ##linux |
| 17:36.25 | wols | n-iCe_: stop trolling. now go away |
| 17:36.37 | n-iCe_ | abrotman: I use Debian |
| 17:36.38 | dudeman | wols, stop being so overly confrontational. You can say what you need to without coming off as an accusing dick. |
| 17:36.40 | n-iCe_ | wols: just ignore me |
| 17:36.42 | themill | n-iCe_: don't you already have debian installed? |
| 17:36.48 | Melior | Can't anyone help me with SSL and gproftpd? |
| 17:36.49 | themill | dudeman: I had one host try to tell me that ssh was out of the question for "security reasons" but ftp was quite acceptable. |
| 17:37.05 | wols | ftp is easy and doesn't need as many cycles as ssh |
| 17:37.08 | dudeman | themill, hahaha |
| 17:37.10 | n-iCe_ | themill: yup I found an old pc at home, wanted to know if debian would work, that's all. |
| 17:37.10 | Amarande | themill, lemme guess |
| 17:37.14 | TuxCrafter | i am using evince and when i have opened big pdf files i get a memory leak evince keep loading data until memory runs out.... does some body else recognizes this behavior on debian sid with GNOME evince 2.22.2? |
| 17:37.15 | abrotman | n-iCe_: if you're not going to install Debian .. then you need to ask ##linux |
| 17:37.17 | Amarande | your host also thinks tin cans and string are 'fast bandwidth' |
| 17:37.39 | dudeman | n-iCe_, apt-cache policy libc6|grep 500 |
| 17:37.47 | themill | Melior: please keep it in the channel rather than messaging people |
| 17:37.56 | dudeman | !guidelines |
| 17:37.56 | dpkg | 1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading docs (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people). See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or <paster>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam. |
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| 17:38.00 | dudeman | ^^ |
| 17:38.07 | abrotman | did you read those? |
| 17:38.26 | Melior | Themill > Yes i know.. But people started talking about ssh instead, no answer to me |
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| 17:38.46 | pickcoder | Melior: perhaps it's because is the preferred solution? |
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| 17:39.19 | Melior | Pickcoder > and perhaps i don't know how to use it. ;) And ftp is easier |
| 17:39.22 | wols | Melior: and it's unlikely you get one unless you answer the questions asked to you by several people. we don't need an answer, you do. |
| 17:39.23 | themill | Melior: no-one really feels like telling you how to use ftp. We mostly hate ftp. It's a pain the arse and there are much better alternatives available. There are really easy to use sftp clients available for linux, mac and windoze. |
| 17:39.27 | pickcoder | you don't have to do anything fancy to get SCP to work with an SSH |
| 17:39.42 | dudeman | yeh u do |
| 17:39.44 | pickcoder | if you have SSH access you should have scp/sftp sub services |
| 17:39.51 | dudeman | you have to get access to the ssh server ;) |
| 17:39.56 | dudeman | doh |
| 17:40.26 | pickcoder | if they restricted scp/sftp from your ssh shell then please thwart them for me |
| 17:40.37 | themill | dpkg: tell Melior about sftp |
| 17:40.42 | dudeman | I've been restricted! by jetscreamer! |
| 17:40.45 | wols | Melior: the ONLY reason to use ftp is for anon access. but with anon access, ftp over ssl is useless. so we just can't see any reason for you to use it when ssh/scp is so much better to use |
| 17:40.47 | dudeman | he won't gimme ssh to his box |
| 17:40.49 | dudeman | sighs |
| 17:40.57 | dudeman | damn free hosting.. |
| 17:41.12 | Melior | Is it easy to use? |
| 17:41.19 | wols | Melior: very easy |
| 17:41.21 | dudeman | piece of cake |
| 17:41.23 | dudeman | watch |
| 17:41.34 | themill | Melior: sftp is just as easy as ftp. Many ftp clients also do sftp. |
| 17:41.51 | Melior | Okay could help me with it= |
| 17:41.52 | dudeman | scp /path/to/file.ext host:/path/to/desktination/file.ext |
| 17:41.55 | dudeman | thas it! |
| 17:42.00 | wols | Melior: install openssh-server and your server is running. use filezilla for windows or linux as a client and you can do scp (and ftp and ftp over ssl with the appropriate servers) |
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| 17:42.32 | maligor | and sftp doesn't suffer from crappy ftp design issues |
| 17:42.39 | dudeman | its secure |
| 17:42.44 | dudeman | slightly higher encryption overhead |
| 17:42.46 | stew | dudeman: do you think you can lay off the enter key? why do i have to ask you this daily? |
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| 17:42.49 | dudeman | but no, its good |
| 17:42.56 | dudeman | stew, ... |
| 17:43.04 | maligor | the whole ftp spec is braindead |
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| 17:43.04 | wols | Melior: I just told you to use filezilla cause it's GPL andboth available for windows and debian |
| 17:43.11 | Amarande | stew, I think we're going to have to alter his keymap settings so 'enter' returns NULL |
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| 17:43.34 | dudeman | stew, I'm trying... its not easy. |
| 17:43.38 | Melior | wols > trying to install it.. "apt-get openssh-server" right? |
| 17:43.44 | wols | Melior: yes |
| 17:43.49 | Melior | Wols > and im using filezilla |
| 17:43.51 | wols | Melior: well, "install" helps. |
| 17:43.58 | wols | Melior: good then you have all you need |
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| 17:44.33 | dudeman | stew, you don't have to ask me this daily.. you could just let it go. |
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| 17:44.48 | Melior | wols > its says openssh-sever allready newest version.. What now? |
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| 17:45.05 | wols | Melior: you already have it. just use filzilla with "sftp" in the server manager |
| 17:45.07 | shamrock | I set up my local printer (usb) as officejet_6110. But debian keeps disabling it and installing another one officejet-6110-series and siabling that too. Any idea why? When I re-enable the one I set up it then works. |
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| 17:45.26 | shamrock | s/siabling/disabling |
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| 17:45.46 | pickcoder | shamrock: "debian keeps disabling it" please expand |
| 17:46.19 | shamrock | pickcoder: how? It just keeps disabling it. Every time I got to print its been disabled. |
| 17:46.22 | Melior | wols > how do i connect and configurate it? |
| 17:46.24 | pickcoder | define IT |
| 17:46.34 | dudeman | information technology/ |
| 17:46.42 | wols | Melior: by choosing "SFTP" in filezilla as the protocol. that's it |
| 17:46.47 | pickcoder | are you using X? are you using a printer manager? |
| 17:47.00 | pickcoder | is there a usb device manager involved |
| 17:47.14 | Melior | wols > i did, but what port do i connect to and what username etc. |
| 17:47.27 | Amarande | I'd give my recommendation but it's a tad heavy handed |
| 17:47.28 | nkuttler | hm, is php4 support know to be broken in sid? |
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| 17:47.38 | Amarande | "get a Lexmark E250dn and use the network interface" |
| 17:47.46 | stew | nkuttler: there should be no php4 support in sid at all |
| 17:47.49 | wols | Melior: your normal username. no port necessary (port 22 is used just like for ssh). but you don't need to specify that unless you changed your ssh port |
| 17:48.11 | nkuttler | stew: crap. ok. i need to find a very old install. |
| 17:48.21 | Melior | wols > i need to make 3 accounts? |
| 17:48.22 | wols | nkuttler: there is no more php4 anywhere. upstream stopped supporting it months ago. there is only php5 now |
| 17:48.29 | wols | Melior: what for? |
| 17:48.39 | stew | wols: months or years? |
| 17:48.45 | nkuttler | yeah, but a client still runs it. i'm gonna install php5 there i guess |
| 17:49.00 | nkuttler | crap os x server.. </ot> |
| 17:49.00 | shamrock | pickcoder: I am looking for some help here. I do not know. Its a USB printer. Its connected to debian. I really can not tell you any more unless you are more specific. It says "disabled" in the Gnome printer gui and CUPS. Both show the additions of the officejet-6110-series which it keeps adding itself even after I delete and re-enable the one I installed. |
| 17:49.01 | wols | stew: I think it's still months that they abandoned it. should have been years but that's php devs for you :P |
| 17:49.18 | wols | nkuttler: stefan esser still sorta supports php4 IIRC |
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| 17:49.20 | Melior | wols > 3 different users.. each their folder |
| 17:49.23 | stew | nkuttler: its supported in stable, which is probably what you should be using anyway |
| 17:49.24 | shamrock | I dont know enough to provide the info you ask I am afraid, |
| 17:49.33 | wols | nkuttler: the typical securiy issues we all like about php4 |
| 17:49.44 | wols | Melior: sure then create 3 system accounts |
| 17:49.46 | nkuttler | stew: my servers all run stable. but php5 |
| 17:50.06 | nkuttler | stew: oh, and happily running sid for... like eight years |
| 17:50.10 | stew | nkuttler: you can install php4 in stable |
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| 17:50.36 | nkuttler | doesn't php4 and php5 conflict? |
| 17:50.40 | abrotman | there is some remnant of php4 in lenny's security stuff as of a few weeks ago |
| 17:50.42 | Melior | wols > how do i choose which directory they can see? And how do i make those users, this is the first time im using debian |
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| 17:51.06 | wols | Melior: adduser. they can see whatever their perms on the system is |
| 17:51.07 | stew | nkuttler: you can run one in apache and one in apache2 or one as cgi |
| 17:51.15 | nkuttler | stew: yeah, i'll do that |
| 17:51.19 | wols | you could also limit them to their home directory in ssh |
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| 17:52.00 | Melior | wols > isn't there a how to do it guide? |
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| 17:52.22 | wols | probably but I don't know one |
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| 17:52.40 | Amarande | shamrock, my suspicion is it's something to do with usb |
| 17:52.44 | Amarande | usb can easily be fail in certain situations |
| 17:52.57 | pickcoder | shamrock: at least we now have an idea of what part of the universe you're lost in. I don't do USB printing, so I'm not much help. My guess is there's a usb device manager that's matching the device ID with that driver and overriding your driver |
| 17:52.59 | Melior | wols > will you be kind to explain it step by step? |
| 17:53.33 | Amarande | I still remember when I tried to set up wireless LAN stuff in windoze on another PC in the house, and not only did it keep losing its connection, but at one point I think there were 4 separate device records for the same USB wireless card :| |
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| 17:53.50 | shamrock | its a new thing then. Used to work fine :( |
| 17:54.08 | pickcoder | remove that -series driver? |
| 17:54.40 | shamrock | its the same driver. But I renamed it to officejet-6110 to match my bash printer setting for printing from commandline. |
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| 17:58.30 | pickcoder | shamrock: remove yours and let it setup the device it wants, then copy the config to another name? |
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| 17:59.21 | Amarande | dang, what's the latest version of flash that swf-player supports in etch, anyway? |
| 17:59.27 | Amarande | I can only seem to see fairly ancient flash stuff with it |
| 17:59.29 | mirak | hi |
| 17:59.38 | mirak | what debian version have 2.6.26 kernel ? |
| 17:59.56 | stew | mirak: testing/unstable |
| 18:00.09 | mirak | can I upgrade directly from lenny to sid ? |
| 18:00.16 | pickcoder | is 26 ever going to make it to BPO? |
| 18:00.29 | mirak | do I need to dist-upgrade lenny before switching to sid ? |
| 18:00.30 | werwolf | abrotman: please help me :( |
| 18:00.31 | stew | mirak: yes, but lenny has 2.6.26, and /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 18:00.37 | abrotman | help you what? |
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| 18:00.41 | werwolf | hdc: drive not ready for command |
| 18:00.42 | abrotman | and you really shouldn't single people out |
| 18:00.50 | werwolf | 100 times after start |
| 18:00.54 | mirak | stew I searched in apt-cache and didn't saw it |
| 18:01.05 | werwolf | sorry :( |
| 18:01.07 | mirak | stew in fact I am interested by multiproto drivers for dvb and hd |
| 18:01.22 | werwolf | I see you are a linux guru .... so if you could ...... please |
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| 18:01.53 | stew | !info linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 lenny |
| 18:02.03 | mirak | !info linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 lenny |
| 18:02.24 | abrotman | werwolf: soundsl ike something is wrong with the drive |
| 18:02.30 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.26-1-686: (Linux 2.6.26 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.26-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 19601 kB, Installed size: 55992 kB |
| 18:02.44 | stew | mirak: 'apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.26" should give you results on lenny, if not, show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:02.50 | werwolf | I could not install from DVD :( |
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| 18:03.03 | werwolf | but it wokrs great in xp |
| 18:03.14 | mirak | stew I am in a dist-upgrade it will take some time |
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| 18:04.20 | werwolf | abrotman: what can I do now? |
| 18:05.06 | abrotman | i don't even know what you're talking about |
| 18:05.14 | abrotman | i don't see what you're trying to do .. only errors |
| 18:05.30 | werwolf | it appear while starting lenny |
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| 18:05.33 | werwolf | a lot of times |
| 18:06.26 | abrotman | and what is hdc ? |
| 18:06.36 | werwolf | DVD drive |
| 18:06.44 | werwolf | burner |
| 18:06.51 | werwolf | from benq |
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| 18:07.28 | wols | werwolf: this happens with the debian cd in drive while you try to install debian? |
| 18:08.04 | abrotman | is there a disc in the drive? |
| 18:08.07 | werwolf | no, I have installed it |
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| 18:08.12 | werwolf | I am using this debina |
| 18:08.14 | werwolf | debian |
| 18:08.21 | werwolf | this happen while starting it |
| 18:08.24 | abrotman | is there a disc in the drive? |
| 18:08.28 | werwolf | no |
| 18:08.34 | werwolf | no disk there |
| 18:09.32 | wols | werwolf: the the question still stands: what is on the screen and when |
| 18:10.11 | werwolf | after selecting to boot this debian |
| 18:10.19 | werwolf | I select debian in Grub |
| 18:10.25 | werwolf | it loads |
| 18:10.36 | wols | WHAT loads? and WHAT is on the screen |
| 18:10.40 | werwolf | and then apper this message 20 time |
| 18:10.50 | werwolf | loading this debian |
| 18:10.54 | wols | what appears on screen BEFORE this message shows? |
| 18:11.05 | werwolf | loading, please wait |
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| 18:11.19 | wols | werwolf: and then immediately the hdc message shows? |
| 18:11.25 | werwolf | yes |
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| 18:11.35 | wols | werwolf: so I ask again: pastebin your menu.lst |
| 18:12.31 | werwolf | how do I get it? |
| 18:12.39 | werwolf | menu.lst |
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| 18:12.49 | wols | by booting a livecd or a debian rescue cd as I told you before |
| 18:13.13 | werwolf | and what have I do to after this? |
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| 18:13.40 | wols | open on your debian install /boot/grub/menu.lst and pastebin it |
| 18:13.59 | megabytch | yo |
| 18:14.04 | werwolf | I can do it now |
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| 18:15.24 | dudeman | uhm |
| 18:15.38 | werwolf | where is pastebin? |
| 18:15.44 | wols | !paste |
| 18:15.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 18:15.45 | abrotman | !tell werwolf about paste |
| 18:15.45 | werwolf | !tell pastebin |
| 18:15.47 | dudeman | how can I make it so that my ENTER key sends a spacebar instead of RET and I want to only have my enter key work on the numpad |
| 18:15.48 | poonj | hey guys....I have approximately 100k files in a folder. Is there anything I could do to speed up the tar process? |
| 18:15.51 | dudeman | ? |
| 18:16.00 | dudeman | I don't think there is any other way to make msyelf stop hitting enter so often |
| 18:16.01 | wols | dudeman: X? xmodmap I'd say |
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| 18:16.08 | dudeman | yeh X |
| 18:16.11 | Larcen_ | hi all |
| 18:16.15 | werwolf | http://paste.debian.net/16820/ |
| 18:16.24 | dudeman | wols, I ssh to my laptop where irssi runs inside screen.. if that matters |
| 18:16.33 | wols | dudeman: or recompile your irc client. probably better so it'S irc only not system wide |
| 18:16.41 | dudeman | oh yeh |
| 18:16.43 | dudeman | good idea |
| 18:16.54 | dudeman | oh wait I an bind enter to space somehow |
| 18:17.04 | dudeman | no recompile needed let me ask in #irssi |
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| 18:17.56 | werwolf | wols: is this, what you need? |
| 18:17.59 | wols | werwolf: on what partition exaclty is your debian? |
| 18:18.33 | wols | werwolf: and I doubt you run lenny |
| 18:18.44 | werwolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.51 | werwolf | :O |
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| 18:18.59 | werwolf | I do |
| 18:19.01 | werwolf | I am sure |
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| 18:19.07 | wols | werwolf: not a lenny kernel |
| 18:19.12 | werwolf | :O |
| 18:19.15 | werwolf | :'( |
| 18:19.26 | wols | 2.6.24 is etch possibly, but not lenny. lenny has 2.6.26 by now |
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| 18:19.33 | wols | !tell werwolf about enter |
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| 18:19.53 | wols | and I don't think the kernel's first output is complaing about hdc |
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| 18:20.16 | dudeman | ok |
| 18:20.26 | werwolf | I have downloaded this lenny iso |
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| 18:20.50 | wols | werwolf: name of the ISO? |
| 18:21.00 | werwolf | :( |
| 18:21.03 | werwolf | I don't know |
| 18:21.07 | werwolf | ext3 ? |
| 18:21.21 | wols | ext3 id a filename. and DON'T misuse your enter key |
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| 18:21.31 | wols | *isn't a filename. it's a filesystem |
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| 18:21.33 | Amarande | gah, is fglrx defective when installed on etch or something ... |
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| 18:21.49 | wols | Amarande: fglrx is defective by default. more info needed |
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| 18:22.05 | Amarande | wols: well, so far, I've only tried wow on wine, and glxgears, as far as 3D stuff goes |
| 18:22.07 | Amarande | glxgears works fine |
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| 18:22.17 | werwolf | nobody is able to help me so that I get it? :( |
| 18:22.21 | mohadib_ | howdy |
| 18:22.23 | Amarande | wow's login screen works fine, as do UI widgets, but the actual environment is all red and black and I soon get error 132 |
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| 18:22.33 | wols | werwolf: nobody WANTS to help you since you don't provide asked info |
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| 18:22.39 | Amarande | if it matters, I'm using a backported version of wine from sid. |
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| 18:22.41 | wols | and what you tell us makes not much sense. |
| 18:22.49 | wols | and the enter misuse annoys poeple |
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| 18:23.43 | mohadib_ | im using mysql from apt, i pointed it at a db i have, the db has no account for debian-sys-maint, so the mysql script in init.d can not shutdown the DB, any suggestion on what I should do? |
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| 18:23.54 | mohadib_ | should i write my own init script for mysql? |
| 18:24.07 | stew | mohadib_: create the debian-sys-maint account |
| 18:24.14 | arkara | i am planning to move to debian from kubuntu |
| 18:24.27 | arkara | do you suggest that i use testing or stable? |
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| 18:24.29 | stew | mohadib_: and make sure that /etc/mysql/debian.cnf has the right password |
| 18:24.39 | wols | arkara: we always suggest stable |
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| 18:24.44 | mohadib_ | stew: does that file hold clear text pass? |
| 18:24.53 | stew | arkara: start with stable. you can always move from stable to testing laster, but not the other way around |
| 18:24.56 | stew | mohadib_: yes |
| 18:25.02 | mohadib_ | stew: awesome, thanks |
| 18:25.09 | arkara | mmmm |
| 18:25.20 | arkara | what do you people use? |
| 18:25.25 | mohadib_ | stew: could i change the name of the account in that file to one i already have created? |
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| 18:25.58 | stew | mohadib_: not in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 18:26.26 | werwolf | i don't understand, what I have to do |
| 18:26.38 | werwolf | but I know, I have leanny |
| 18:26.42 | mohadib_ | i mean, i cant change user = debian-sys-maintuser to user = root ? |
| 18:26.47 | mohadib_ | root already exists |
| 18:26.50 | dustybin | did firefox 3 / iceweasel 3 make it into lenny? |
| 18:26.59 | mohadib_ | yes |
| 18:27.04 | dustybin | ace :-) |
| 18:27.08 | stew | mohadib_: oh, is user in there? i dont remember. then maybe |
| 18:27.17 | mohadib_ | stew: yes it is |
| 18:27.34 | dustybin | the time has come where debian can now be used as a nice modern desktop |
| 18:27.37 | mohadib_ | ill give it a try, thanks for the help stew |
| 18:27.38 | dustybin | IMO |
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| 18:28.40 | dustybin | in the past, with etch, sarge and before, the linux world wasnt quite mature enough, meaning a lacking desktop, but now, with lenny, the desktop is now something what works well |
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| 18:29.19 | dustybin | imagine a stable, rock solid, desktop, using modern software? |
| 18:29.23 | dustybin | welcome to lenny :-) |
| 18:30.00 | dustybin | Hostname: private - OS: Linux 2.6.25-2-vserver-686/i686 - CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (3192.006 MHz) - Processes: 148 - Uptime: 3d 20h 53m - Load Average: 0.95 - Memory Usage: 446.77MB/1011.51MB (44.17%) - Disk Usage: 245.28GB/1363.24GB (17.99%) |
| 18:30.24 | dustybin | infact, tonight im going to remove my gentoo desktop and replace it with lenny :-) |
| 18:30.31 | mohadib_ | stew: changing the user name worked fwiw |
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| 18:30.37 | maligor | PowerHog 4 eh |
| 18:30.43 | n3kl | dustybin: Hey man, how did you get your nics to highlight? |
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| 18:30.58 | dustybin | nics? |
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| 18:31.16 | n3kl | uh, wrong dude, sorry |
| 18:31.34 | n3kl | dudeman: Hey, how did *you* get your nics to highlight? |
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| 18:31.55 | dustybin | n3kl: _what_ are you talkin about? |
| 18:31.56 | omry | dns question: can a server host domain.com, and ns1.domain.com? if so, how will anyone be able to resolve ns1.domain.com ? |
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| 18:32.02 | maligor | dustybin, etch is pretty modern too |
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| 18:32.52 | arkara | is it? |
| 18:32.58 | arkara | i dont see it |
| 18:33.06 | n3kl | dustybin: dudeman pasted a screenshot of irssi and his nics are all colorfull and such. I want to know how he did it |
| 18:33.07 | arkara | it uses obsolete packages |
| 18:33.13 | dustybin | maligor: etch wasnt quite there IMO, but now with lenny, the debian desktop is more than enough for anyone |
| 18:33.14 | dudeman | n3kl, not hard |
| 18:33.26 | arkara | i believe |
| 18:33.39 | n3kl | dudeman: I am sure, I just rip off parts of ither peopls configs, so I don't know where to set something like that |
| 18:33.43 | arkara | that some apps should be always backported to stable |
| 18:33.50 | arkara | like |
| 18:33.51 | dudeman | n3kl, it makes it easy to read. aptitude install irssi-scripts and inside irssi, /script load nickcolor.pk |
| 18:33.53 | arkara | openoffice |
| 18:33.55 | arkara | kde |
| 18:33.58 | arkara | gnome |
| 18:34.01 | dudeman | try /script load nickcolor.pl |
| 18:34.04 | arkara | latex |
| 18:34.06 | arkara | and more |
| 18:34.15 | arkara | gimp firefox |
| 18:34.16 | j_pinx_away | I'm in etch - how do I get apt-cache search to look in lenny to see what I can backport? |
| 18:34.22 | dudeman | n3kl, also, if you use the nickcolor.pl script, it will not work with your right aligned nicks |
| 18:34.37 | danih | j_pinx_away, change souces.list , do apt-get update and then run the command? |
| 18:34.44 | j_pinx_away | /nicj jpinx |
| 18:34.44 | stew | arkara: please don't hit enter so often. the only reason those aren't backported more frequently is due to a lack of volunteers to do the actual work |
| 18:34.54 | arkara | j_pinx_away: i think that you have to install some backport repos |
| 18:34.57 | dudeman | n3kl, you have to edit the perl script and change the /format line to include a [-X] spacing, I use -18 |
| 18:35.03 | n3kl | dudeman: nice, I haven't gotten as far as reading the format stuff. Just been trying to figure out what your config sections do. Thanks though |
| 18:35.32 | arkara | stew: is this true? or is it because of debian policy? |
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| 18:35.36 | j_pinx_away | danih: but if I add lenny ot my sources .list that will screw my usual update/grade? |
| 18:35.56 | dudeman | $server->command('/^format pubmsg {pubmsgnick $2 {pubnick '.chr(3).$color.'$[-18]0}}$1'); |
| 18:36.00 | danih | not if you remove it after you installed the lenny package you want, at least that's what i though |
| 18:36.01 | dudeman | stuff in bold... |
| 18:36.03 | stew | arkara: backports is not part of debian, and so it doesn't have anytihng to do with debian policy |
| 18:36.10 | danih | t |
| 18:36.24 | stew | arkara: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=contribute |
| 18:36.50 | arkara | stew: let me check it for a moment :) |
| 18:36.54 | dustybin | does anybody here think its worth dual booting my macbook pro with os x and lenny? or should i run lenny in vmware on os x? |
| 18:37.15 | n3kl | dudeman: thanks, irssi just god pretier =] |
| 18:37.45 | acoc | is there a way to define a specific kernel name within apt so it installs with that name within /boot |
| 18:37.48 | dudeman | n3kl, of course it did. You can't compete with irssi. Thats just not gonna happen. IRSSI fucking pwnz0rz n shit. |
| 18:38.02 | dusty_ | Hey guys can anyone explain to me what this means: http://rafb.net/p/UYI65363.html ? |
| 18:38.05 | gonzaloaf | hi, after a time of inactiviry, the screensaver turns on... then when I move the mouse my laptop freezes and never come back. It is freezed now, but I'm connected from my desktop via ssh, can you help me to find out the reason problem? |
| 18:38.07 | dudeman | xchat can kiss my happy brown bottom :D |
| 18:38.23 | arkara | will lenny use packagekit? |
| 18:38.26 | dudeman | gonzaloaf, probably like a hibernate or sleep mode? |
| 18:38.27 | n3kl | dudeman: yeah, I have been using irssi for years, but I don't do much with the config |
| 18:38.42 | dustybin | mirc ftw |
| 18:38.48 | dudeman | 02:38 1 *: CRAP JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES TOPICS NICKS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS |
| 18:38.50 | gonzaloaf | dudeman, nop |
| 18:38.59 | dudeman | ignore that, and your irssi chat gets cleaner than anything |
| 18:39.09 | cyzie | is kernel 2.6.24 supported ipw3945 by default ? meaning i do not need to install the driver separately ? |
| 18:39.17 | dudeman | http://dudeman.gotdns.com/irssi.png |
| 18:39.22 | n3kl | dudeman: I noticed. When I added that, I also noticed how little color I had =] |
| 18:39.26 | gonzaloaf | dudeman, it didnt was on that modes |
| 18:39.34 | stew | cyzie: /msg dpkg iwlwifi |
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| 18:39.59 | dudeman | gonzaloaf, come again? |
| 18:40.10 | cyzie | thanks stew |
| 18:40.10 | gonzaloaf | dudeman, excuse me? |
| 18:40.22 | dustybin | dudeman: what font you use on your term? |
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| 18:40.40 | dudeman | aptitude install xfonts-terminus |
| 18:40.48 | dudeman | terminus regular 9pt |
| 18:40.48 | dustybin | nice font |
| 18:41.12 | dudeman | I like it very much. I used to be attracted to DejaVuSerifCondensed.ttf but its ugly now compared to this |
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| 18:43.42 | acoc | is there a way to define a specific kernel name within apt so it installs with that name within /boot |
| 18:44.05 | n3kl | I already asked this, but is anyone else getting segfaults on hall at bootup? |
| 18:46.44 | n3kl | acoc: I think the kernel name is part of the package. If you compile your own kernel, I know you could do that. |
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| 18:47.44 | cahoot | what would be the practical purpose acoc ? |
| 18:47.59 | Batchy | --append-to-version if you use make-kpkg |
| 18:48.34 | acoc | I have a duel boot ubuntu based oses with both sending the images to the same partitioned /boot |
| 18:49.04 | acoc | I'd like them to call them different images without having to manually rename them on every update |
| 18:49.08 | cahoot | with identical names? |
| 18:50.13 | acoc | yeah don't know why but ubuntu just gives it a stock name without any os specific name |
| 18:50.38 | stew | acoc: you could write a script which is called by the postinst-hook in /etc/kernel-img.conf perhaps |
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| 18:50.58 | stew | though that seems like it would be a lot of effort |
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| 18:52.03 | acoc | I'm going to try Batchy's approach first to see if that works |
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| 18:52.21 | acoc | is that only for version numbers though |
| 18:52.25 | werwolf | what have I to install spanish and german? |
| 18:52.26 | acoc | does it work with names? |
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| 18:53.06 | nkuttler | werwolf: dpkg-reconfigure locales and apt-get install the other stuff you want? |
| 18:53.52 | werwolf | nkuttler: I am new to debian, what have I to type exactly to the console? |
| 18:54.25 | nkuttler | werwolf: what do you want in german? manpages, gnome, etc? |
| 18:54.27 | n3kl | Think I could install a router system on 2G of storage? |
| 18:55.40 | sepski | n3kl, no problem with the debian-router script you have space left over on a 1GB flash chip |
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| 18:56.53 | werwolf | kde |
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| 18:57.07 | werwolf | the interface |
| 18:57.09 | n3kl | sepski: hmm, perhaps even with openvpn and maybe a dhcp/dns server? |
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| 18:57.51 | sepski | n3kl, yes i'd say no problem |
| 18:58.01 | sepski | you wont run kde tho but :) |
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| 18:58.19 | n3kl | who loads kde on a router? |
| 18:58.31 | sepski | exactly :) |
| 18:58.46 | nkuttler | n3kl: people who want to diplay all the images they sniff? |
| 18:58.46 | n3kl | I only load X on very few of my systems |
| 18:58.53 | xand | n3kl: my router system runs debian on a 512MB CF card. |
| 18:58.59 | n3kl | nkuttler: build a network for that |
| 18:59.04 | n3kl | xand: what do you have installed? |
| 18:59.11 | xand | um |
| 18:59.38 | xand | not much; minimum net install with dns server, dhcpd, pptpd |
| 18:59.41 | n3kl | xand: also, just a regular machine, or what kind of hardware is it running on? |
| 18:59.42 | xand | a few other bits |
| 18:59.50 | xand | it's a soekris net4801 |
| 19:00.04 | n3kl | xand: how do you like it? |
| 19:00.08 | xand | it's great |
| 19:00.35 | n3kl | xand: I have been looking at routerboard.com, but it seems way to embedded for my skillset |
| 19:00.37 | werwolf | apt-get install kde-il8n-de does not work |
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| 19:01.02 | nkuttler | werwolf: it would help to spell it right |
| 19:01.09 | sepski | i use the tyan throhy and 1GB flash chips (i like to have space to waste) http://www.tyan.com/archive/products/html/network.html |
| 19:01.14 | n3kl | xand: looks pretty straight forward... |
| 19:01.21 | nkuttler | werwolf: 18 as in eighteen |
| 19:01.29 | werwolf | ahhhhhhhhh :D |
| 19:01.33 | werwolf | thank you nkuttler |
| 19:01.42 | sepski | n3kl, routerboard are great i have many out about in the woods. but i use the orginal os tho (routerOS) |
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| 19:01.43 | Waxhead1 | I was trying to upgrade Debian etch to lenny using apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade - After rebooting the system crash in VirtualPC 2007. Is this a known bug? |
| 19:01.55 | nkuttler | werwolf: and i supposed you have to click on something in the kontrolcenter or how they call that thing |
| 19:01.58 | xand | n3kl: http://www.soekris.com/net4801.htm it's an x86 cpu which makes things relatively easy |
| 19:02.07 | xand | there's no video or keyboard though, you have to use serial console |
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| 19:02.37 | n3kl | sepski: don't understand how you would use them though. Like there seems to be only storage on a couple of them, and serial connections is the way you interface with them, fine. But how would you get an os on them? |
| 19:02.43 | werwolf | nkuttler: Yes I will look there |
| 19:02.53 | n3kl | xand: yeah, I am seeing that |
| 19:02.59 | n3kl | xand: I don't see prices though |
| 19:03.00 | werwolf | nkuttler: could I PM you please? |
| 19:03.12 | nkuttler | werwolf: gotta go |
| 19:03.12 | xand | n3kl: the links to the store are on the left :P |
| 19:03.25 | n3kl | oh |
| 19:03.27 | xand | n3kl: they're not the cheapest |
| 19:03.54 | n3kl | xand: cheaper than a mini-itx solution |
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| 19:05.14 | Waxhead1 | btw: my bug appears after the message "Parsing ELF" at boot |
| 19:05.30 | n3kl | sepski: what do you use them for? |
| 19:05.37 | n3kl | sepski: you build your own routers? |
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| 19:05.48 | S-i-A | hi |
| 19:06.02 | S-i-A | why can't block some website with /etc/host? |
| 19:06.25 | sepski | n3kl, routeros comes preloaded so i have not done a bare metal install on any one, but i assume serial for control and tftp for loading the os from a early boot enviorment. but it's not x86, and routeros both works and is quite good so i never replace it |
| 19:06.25 | n3kl | cause the file is /etc/hosts |
| 19:06.48 | S-i-A | n3kl: sure :) |
| 19:06.54 | sepski | n3kl, mostly embedded in wireless antennas. |
| 19:06.55 | n3kl | sepski: ahh |
| 19:06.59 | n3kl | sepski: I see |
| 19:07.12 | sepski | n3kl, i build my own larger routers for the backbone |
| 19:07.15 | n3kl | I just want a lighter weight firewall than what I have, and I want my own custom iptables scripts and debian |
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| 19:07.34 | n3kl | sepski: using routerboard ? |
| 19:07.36 | sepski | started with regualr pc's but now it's 1u tyan throphy with 5 gig nics |
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| 19:08.34 | n3kl | I have a router with several nics in it, but I don't like having it running on regular piece of hardware, I want something smaller, less power consumtion |
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| 19:08.45 | n3kl | *consumption |
| 19:08.48 | sepski | not yet no. but i have been considering it since the RB1000 and RB600 looks quite nice |
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| 19:09.17 | sepski | n3kl, i use regualr hardware becouse of the incredibly easy spare part situation. |
| 19:09.35 | n3kl | Thats true |
| 19:09.40 | sepski | with the thropy you basicaly need one on the shelf for backup |
| 19:10.03 | n3kl | My company will not use debian routers, so this is just personal use anyway. I am the one footing the electric bill |
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| 19:10.25 | sepski | our company use only debian routers |
| 19:10.34 | sepski | well excluding the routeros ones |
| 19:10.40 | n3kl | cool |
| 19:10.45 | sepski | but those are more wireless thingys and not real ROUTERS! |
| 19:11.01 | n3kl | ah |
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| 19:11.45 | n3kl | sepski: how many employees does your company have? |
| 19:11.45 | S-i-A | n3kl: is that correct if i will block akuuula.dk ? |
| 19:11.45 | S-i-A | http://paste.debian.net/16825/ |
| 19:11.45 | Amarande | n3kl, you're not the one from the company who insisted that FTP was OK but ssh was a security risk, are you? :) |
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| 19:12.06 | n3kl | Amarande: if that is an insult, I am not sure where you infered that from |
| 19:12.20 | Amarande | n3kl, any insult is intended towards your employer, not you heh |
| 19:12.30 | sepski | n3kl, 8 in the core. but we are in a coop with 15 other |
| 19:12.32 | Amarande | earlier we had this guy come in about how to set up ftp over ssl, or somesuch |
| 19:12.42 | Amarande | and he said something about how his hosting company insisted ftp was ok but ssh was a security risk :| |
| 19:13.26 | n3kl | S-i-A: there are a million better ways to do that, but yeah |
| 19:13.26 | aphexer | I compiled a kernel from vanilla sources, using make-kpkg. I need some modules from the linux-modules-extra package, so I need to build those from source. The problem here is that I don't have a linux-support package built for the kernel I'm now running... How do I build that one? (it's required for linux-modules-extra) |
| 19:13.26 | DanDare | funny |
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| 19:13.26 | n3kl | Amarande: I have zero say in teh infrastructure planning of my company, so meh |
| 19:13.50 | n3kl | Amarande: and to answer the question, no. I am pretty security concious(?). |
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| 19:16.15 | n3kl | xand: thanks for the info, now I have another device to sleep on =] |
| 19:16.53 | lem0n | if i have a list of links in a file, could i use pipelines etc to wget that whole list? (links on seperate lines), or would i have to write a quick script? |
| 19:17.45 | n3kl | lem0n: yes |
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| 19:18.01 | sepski | wget --input-file=file |
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| 19:20.11 | lem0n | ah thanks |
| 19:20.38 | Run | Pretty amazing that with 914 people on the channel, it's still not scrolling like crazy - but just right: chat most of the time, but not too much :). |
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| 19:21.02 | abrotman | Run: it's tame right now |
| 19:21.12 | abrotman | but yes .. lots of lurkers |
| 19:21.21 | maligor | and grues |
| 19:21.35 | Gnu_Raiz | just wait until lenny comes out then it's going to be like a flood. |
| 19:21.48 | Run | #lenny ? |
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| 19:21.53 | maligor | Gnu_Raiz, why would it? |
| 19:22.11 | lem0n | because a bajillion people will be in here asking questions/help etc? |
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| 19:22.17 | Gnu_Raiz | after every major release, lots of bugs, and upgrade questions. |
| 19:22.23 | lem0n | ;p |
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| 19:22.41 | stew | and people saying "why hasn't sqeeze been released yet and why doesn't it have kde4.1 yet?" |
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| 19:22.54 | Gnu_Raiz | most will be in the faq, or the release notes, but still will get swamped. |
| 19:23.05 | AndreSTC | how can i remove gnome-games (on aptitude) without being forced to remove gnome? |
| 19:23.57 | Run | Lots of people with "I upgraded to Lenny and now X won't start", but only very few come here with "I upgraded to Lenny and now I don't have internet" :) |
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| 19:24.09 | Zambezi | I need to downgrade a packages, using an existing from Stable. The one i Lenny doesn't work. How can I achieve this in best way? |
| 19:24.25 | n3kl | Run: yeah, but thats cause they don't have internet |
| 19:25.10 | aphexer | I compiled a kernel from vanilla sources, using make-kpkg. I need some modules from the linux-modules-extra package, so I need to build those from source. The problem here is that I don't have a linux-support package built for the kernel I'm now running... How do I build that one? (it's required for linux-modules-extra) |
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| 19:26.43 | stew | AndreSTC: run "aptitude unmarkauto '~i~Dgnome'" so that when it does remove gnome (which you cannot prevent), it doesn't take all of gnome with it |
| 19:27.29 | abrotman | Zambezi: what's wrong with the one in lenny? (and which package) |
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| 19:27.46 | AndreSTC | [stew]: so after i run that,m i can remove gnome-XX packs without loosing "all gnome"? |
| 19:27.49 | jpinx | Do the graphs on http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ show that there are fewer bugs in Lenny than in ecth - or am I reading it wrong? |
| 19:28.04 | themill | jpinx: that's right |
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| 19:28.27 | themill | jpinx: etch has also been around for longer for people to find bugs though |
| 19:29.17 | stew | AndreSTC: yes, it should will still remove the package named "gnome" but that package doesn't itself provide any functionality. you might have to do the same with some other big metapackage like "gnome-desktop-environment". but most pacakges it wants to remove can be unmarked with 'unmarkauto' |
| 19:29.19 | jpinx | but those bugs which take a long time to discover and more likely about more obscure applications |
| 19:29.43 | AndreSTC | [stew]: ok |
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| 19:30.30 | stew | jpinx: also a lot of those bugs are FTBFS that have been found for things like "fails to build when built twice in a row" or "package contents change when built twice in a row". these are found all the time by automated processes but aren't worth fixing in stable |
| 19:30.50 | Zambezi | abrotman: It's tiff2pdf in libtiff-tools and it can't convert the image to a pdf. It says something like can't convert 16 bit, but it worked in Hardy and Stable using the same version as Hardy. Lenny using a newer. |
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| 19:30.55 | xingu | has a look to see why *-dbg are being hauled in |
| 19:31.17 | stew | jpinx: you'll notice that the green line is much more jagged with lenny than it was for etch becuase more of this is going on, where lots of bugs are found at once, then quickly fixed (but not fixed in stable) |
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| 19:31.47 | jpinx | stew - ok - so it's probably fair to say that lenny is the way to go for a desktop/laptop now - but not my server yet |
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| 19:32.40 | obmij | How do I rip a DVD in debian? |
| 19:32.51 | stew | jpinx: depends on ones. definately not lenny for a server. using etch isn't as bad as using sarge was around this time, since we have the newer kernels and newer xorg drivers in etchnhalf |
| 19:32.55 | obmij | any DVD/CD burning/ripping GUI utilities for Linux? |
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| 19:33.13 | binrapt | Hmm I have trouble setting up tinydns on my Debian dedicated server to make it resolve stuff properly. It is my understanding that you need two separate IPs for your server first so I requested a second one from Leaseweb for free. When I ping that second IP I get no reply, where do I have to add this IP on my Linux shell? |
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| 19:33.42 | n3kl | jpinx: I have a problem on all my lenny laptops with hal. But other than that, seems pretty stable |
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| 19:34.10 | n3kl | obmij: k3b |
| 19:34.13 | jpinx | hal? what's that n3kl: - I probably don't use it ;) |
| 19:34.20 | abrotman | Zambezi: checked the BTS? |
| 19:34.30 | n3kl | obmij: there are a million, tried google? |
| 19:34.44 | xingu | gah - evolution suggests evolution-dbg? whatever for? :) |
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| 19:34.55 | ElectriX | hello to all i am italian i install lenny in my laptop but i have only problem with wirelless card aftrer 3 minuts of connection close and strat again connection anyboy have some solutions tnx in advance |
| 19:34.59 | n3kl | jpinx: its an interface to hardware detection and such. THere is a good chance you would have it on a desktop/laptop |
| 19:35.09 | obmij | yeah |
| 19:35.10 | obmij | btw how do I clean all the downloaded packages? |
| 19:35.18 | n3kl | obmij: apt-get clean? |
| 19:35.26 | obmij | great thanks |
| 19:35.34 | n3kl | obmij: manpages are great also ;) |
| 19:35.35 | themill | xingu: because it's suggested that you be comfortable debugging it before you start using it, i guess... |
| 19:35.38 | jpinx | n3kl: ok - maybe i'll wait till you fix it :D |
| 19:35.43 | xingu | themill: hee hee |
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| 19:35.57 | obmij | n3kl, Debian makes it too easy |
| 19:35.58 | Zambezi | abrotman: Not yet, cause I'm very careful using the word "bug". But I'll take a look later. |
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| 19:36.33 | xingu | themill: it's 100% reliable* ... *and if it's not, we'll depends: gdb just in case! :) |
| 19:37.10 | xingu | hmm, ditto gnome -> gnome-dbg, I gather we've had one of those cute shifts in fashion that's about to zing me |
| 19:37.25 | Gnu_Raiz | I thought everyone used mail!, or mutt. |
| 19:37.43 | \amethyst | xingu: the idea is that your bug-buddy reports should have useful backtraces |
| 19:37.49 | themill | xingu: sounds like a plan |
| 19:38.03 | ElectriX | hello to all i am italian i install lenny in my laptop but i have only problem with wirelless card aftrer 3 minuts of connection close and strat again connection anyboy have some solutions tnx in advance |
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| 19:38.34 | norbert_ | http://www.winehq.org/site/git -> I do what is mentioned in the second section (getting a local copy) but I get an error: /usr/bin/gitfm: fatal error: `chdir' failed: permission denied |
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| 19:38.55 | norbert_ | I'm guessing it's a Debian thing, does this error looks familiar to anyone? |
| 19:39.04 | \amethyst | norbert_: what directory are you in when you do that? |
| 19:39.18 | norbert_ | in /home/norbert/a/ |
| 19:39.18 | xingu | "Warning: these packages are huge" :) |
| 19:39.37 | norbert_ | I also tried: git clone git://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git /home/norbert/a |
| 19:39.46 | norbert_ | but no matter what I try, the error stays the same |
| 19:40.01 | abrotman | Zambezi: i don't see anything obvious |
| 19:40.25 | xingu | \amethyst: cheers; now I just need to work out a way of declining the opportunity without killing Suggests: in the process |
| 19:40.35 | Snadder | Anyone know why I get: /usr/bin/gem:9:in `require': no such file to load -- rubygems (LoadError) |
| 19:40.46 | \amethyst | xingu: what do you mean without killing suggests? |
| 19:41.02 | xingu | \amethyst: they're only getting hauled in on that basis at preset |
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| 19:41.07 | xingu | s/preset/present/ |
| 19:41.50 | \amethyst | xingu: Suggests: shouldn't be pulled in by default, only Recommends: |
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| 19:41.55 | \amethyst | xingu: weird |
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| 19:42.45 | PSICLOPS | hi. i would like to use the command # make bzdisk but it always fails, i looked it up apt-cache search bzdisk and cannot find it |
| 19:42.53 | xingu | \amethyst: ok that's useful data, sid apt (specifically apt-get); the trees I've looked at so far are evolution <- evolution-dbg , and gnome-desktop-environment <- gnome-dbg |
| 19:43.03 | \amethyst | norbert_: I'm not sure what this /usr/bin/gitfm is about |
| 19:43.30 | norbert_ | me neither ;) anyways, thanks for trying to help; I'm now just using cvs and that worked... already running make |
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| 19:43.55 | \amethyst | xingu: bug-buddy Recommends: gnome-dbg, which Depends: evolution-dbg |
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| 19:44.08 | xingu | \amethyst: ta, just discovering that myself |
| 19:44.27 | xingu | \amethyst: so I could hackishly hold bug-buddy for the moment which would probably dtrt |
| 19:44.28 | \amethyst | xingu: aptitude why ftw |
| 19:44.36 | Zambezi | abrotman: tiff2pdf: No support for imageu.tif with 16 bits per sample. AND tiff2pdf: An error occurred creating output PDF file. And in uppercase to easier seperate them. |
| 19:44.41 | xingu | \amethyst: lack of time to unlearn things that work ;) |
| 19:44.50 | \amethyst | xingu: or you could get rid of bug-buddy |
| 19:44.55 | xingu | true |
| 19:45.09 | \amethyst | xingu: the only thing which Depends: on it is gnome-dbg |
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| 19:45.22 | \amethyst | xingu: (so you'll have to remove both at the same time or turn off Recommends) |
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| 19:45.50 | abrotman | Zambezi: nothing like that in the BTS .. |
| 19:46.02 | PSICLOPS | make all ??? |
| 19:46.05 | xingu | \amethyst: you've sold me (I don't yet have gnome-dbg installed, I picked all this up on my test box) |
| 19:46.09 | Amarande | hmm, any of you know offhand if there's a version of fglrx that works with the 3870, and doesn't have the logout bug? |
| 19:46.35 | abrotman | #ati might know |
| 19:46.44 | xingu | \amethyst: yep that's zapped it; thanks once again, I would've got there eventually - but you've saved me lotsa time. |
| 19:46.57 | stew | PSICLOPS: what is the error you are getting? is it "command not found: make" or is it something like "no such target: bzdisk"? |
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| 19:47.17 | jaalto | I'm not very familiar with Gnome, so if anyone known how to turn off "Apple style minimization rectangle draws", when the frame's *minimize* button is pressed, I'd be grateful. It's just noise that I'd rather not see. |
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| 19:48.13 | PSICLOPS | stew : no rule to make all or and also when i make bzdisk <-- |
| 19:48.24 | xingu | goes back to watching lehman's in freefal |
| 19:48.39 | Zambezi | abrotman: I just opened the report, but a first glance looked pretty similar. Same packages, same kind of error. But the report is really old. |
| 19:48.41 | Snadder | When I do: apt-file update, I get: Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz |
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| 19:49.03 | abrotman | jaalto: look in the Preferences menu .. |
| 19:49.11 | abrotman | Snadder: same here |
| 19:49.25 | stew | PSICLOPS: then "bzdisk" is not defined in the file name Makefile in that directory. so the only think you could do to make "make bzdisk" work would be to edit the makefile. you probably need to re-read the README or INTSALL for whatever software you are trying to compile |
| 19:49.50 | dusty_ | Hey guys I have tried to get a network alias to work on boot but no matter what i put in /etc/network/interfaces it does not come up on reboot (here is what happens after a : http://rafb.net/p/UX7veL62.html ) why does it not remember the settings on boot? |
| 19:49.53 | mmestnik | Hello: I'm doing some AWK and my input data, syslog files, is causing 'lost array bits' An element is used, but then never completed. I' |
| 19:50.17 | mmestnik | m looking into collecting the garbage. |
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| 19:51.25 | Snadder | abrotman, on my etch box it works.. |
| 19:51.44 | mmestnik | I collect data from log lines and then 'fill in the blanks' when printing future log lines. If the future log lines never show I need to free the unnecessary array elements. |
| 19:51.49 | abrotman | Snadder: what works .. apt-file update .. or getting that URL ? |
| 19:51.58 | PSICLOPS | stew i am trying to follow the instructions on this site : http://linuxguy.org/docs/linuxdisk/ |
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| 19:52.34 | Snadder | abrotman, apt-file update works in etch |
| 19:52.49 | abrotman | Snadder: and your etch system points at lenny security sources? |
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| 19:54.11 | Snadder | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free <-- On this pc it dosnt work. |
| 19:54.16 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 19:54.19 | abrotman | the file isn't there |
| 19:54.41 | abrotman | just ignore the warning, i would hope the security will fix it before release |
| 19:54.49 | Snadder | Okay.. who can fix that? |
| 19:54.53 | abrotman | you? |
| 19:54.59 | Snadder | How long time untill release? |
| 19:55.05 | abrotman | when it's ready |
| 19:55.16 | jaalto | abrotman: Do you know any closer; which part woudl control that? |
| 19:55.45 | abrotman | jaalto: i don't have gnome in front of me .. you could always ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 19:55.50 | Snadder | abrotman, its not just a warning.. I cant use apt-file |
| 19:55.51 | obmij | heh K3B looks sick |
| 19:55.54 | stew | PSICLOPS: then perhaps those instructions are outdated |
| 19:56.06 | obmij | I was wondering if GNOME has an equal application :) |
| 19:56.08 | obmij | (to K3B) |
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| 19:56.23 | Amarande | dangit, #ati is quieter than a tomb |
| 19:56.27 | Snadder | abrotman, oh..seems its possible.. |
| 19:56.32 | Amarande | I'm hoping the solution to this isn't going to involve the purchase of an nVidia video card |
| 19:56.33 | Snadder | abrotman, but what is that file for? |
| 19:56.41 | Amarande | or reversion from Linux to the wild draw four OS |
| 19:56.43 | goksin | obmij: brasero |
| 19:56.47 | PSICLOPS | stew might you know another way to accomplish what i wanna do ? |
| 19:57.00 | n3kl | obmij: try google man |
| 19:57.12 | stew | PSICLOPS: i don't know what you are trying to do |
| 19:57.22 | obmij | n3kl, I tried :( |
| 19:57.25 | obmij | google hates me |
| 19:57.29 | n3kl | obmij: there is prolly a gnotascoolask3b or something |
| 19:57.50 | obmij | n3kl, lol you use KDE? |
| 19:57.56 | jaalto | abrotman: ok. It's just that Gnome menus start feel like Windows where you dwell into the,. Not as bad (deep) as windows though. |
| 19:57.58 | n3kl | obmij: http://www.google.com/search?q=gnome+cd+burner&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a |
| 19:58.06 | n3kl | obmij: used kde for years |
| 19:58.17 | obmij | honestly, doesn't matter for me |
| 19:58.28 | obmij | As long as the GNU/Linux distro owns |
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| 19:58.35 | obmij | like Debian |
| 19:58.36 | obmij | seriously I've never been so much at ease |
| 19:58.40 | obmij | (I'm coming from Gentoo) |
| 19:58.42 | PSICLOPS | stew i am trying to build what is on that site |
| 19:58.52 | abrotman | obmij: brasero or gnomebaker |
| 19:59.09 | abrotman | Snadder: it has the list of files |
| 19:59.18 | n3kl | gentoo is a waste of time |
| 19:59.22 | obmij | meh KDE looks amazing anyway |
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| 19:59.28 | abrotman | Snadder: and it is just a warning .. i have lenny boxes .. apt-file works fine-ish |
| 19:59.33 | obmij | all good |
| 19:59.33 | obmij | n3kl, correction, a gigantic waste of time |
| 19:59.42 | PSICLOPS | a 1 floppy linux system |
| 19:59.42 | Amarande | actually, perhaps I should phrase this differently |
| 19:59.43 | n3kl | yup |
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| 19:59.51 | Amarande | do people with lenny here who use fglrx get the crash when trying to log out? |
| 19:59.52 | Snadder | abrotman, okay.. |
| 20:00.01 | Snadder | abrotman, when is the new release? |
| 20:00.08 | abrotman | when it's ready |
| 20:00.09 | stew | PSICLOPS: what kernel version are you trying to compile? |
| 20:00.10 | Amarande | there's stuff in google that suggests this is a kernel version specific bug, which means that perhaps the kernel version included with etch is at fault |
| 20:00.25 | Snadder | abrotman, Always like that..but is it days, weeks or months? |
| 20:00.39 | dudeman | jpinx, hi |
| 20:00.46 | abrotman | !tell Snadder about wwlr |
| 20:00.48 | obmij | ok guys thanks |
| 20:00.49 | PSICLOPS | stew 2.4.36.7 |
| 20:00.50 | obmij | I'm out |
| 20:00.53 | dudeman | !tell jpinx -about debian.exe |
| 20:00.55 | jpinx | hey dudeman |
| 20:00.57 | stew | PSICLOPS: "make bzdisk" should work. what directory are you running it in? |
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| 20:01.18 | PSICLOPS | stew /home/user |
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| 20:01.42 | dudeman | jpinx, check out that. Does exactly what you were talking about, minus the defrag. There are some ubuntu installers out there also called Unetbootin, Wubi, maybe some other ones I don't know about, however debian.exe is the SHIZNAT! |
| 20:01.45 | stew | PSICLOPS: you'd need to run it in the kernel source directory |
| 20:02.02 | jpinx | dudeman : looking at it now |
| 20:02.28 | n3kl | xand: you around? |
| 20:02.30 | dudeman | jpinx, but debian.exe doesn't install inside a NTFS. It needs another partition |
| 20:02.31 | PSICLOPS | stew i will try it out ;D |
| 20:02.36 | xand | yes |
| 20:02.44 | n3kl | xand: how many nics your soekris have? |
| 20:02.49 | stew | PSICLOPS: the directory where you already ran "make" to build the kernel |
| 20:02.53 | abrotman | sounds like a disease |
| 20:02.58 | aphexer | I compiled a kernel from vanilla sources, using make-kpkg. I need some modules from the linux-modules-extra package, so I need to build those from source. The problem here is that I don't have a linux-support package built for the kernel I'm now running... How do I build that one? (it's required for linux-modules-extra) |
| 20:03.13 | abrotman | Snadder: make more sense? |
| 20:03.15 | jpinx | dudeman - that's something the average windows user has no clue about |
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| 20:03.17 | xand | n3kl: 3... the newer models have 4 as standard, with up to 4 more optional |
| 20:03.42 | dudeman | jpinx, he doesn't need to. He needs only the desire to get windows the FUCK off his machine. |
| 20:03.42 | n3kl | aphexer: I have seen you paste this several times today. Perhaps the reason you are not getting a response is because nobody understands what the f*** you are trying to do |
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| 20:03.54 | dudeman | I think anyway... |
| 20:03.59 | n3kl | xand: do you use all three? |
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| 20:04.20 | jpinx | hmmm - dudeman: not really what I was thinking of |
| 20:04.32 | dudeman | this is the best debian has to offer... |
| 20:04.46 | dudeman | you can try ubuntu's installers Wubi and/or Unetbootin or whatever |
| 20:04.51 | aphexer | n3kl: basically I want to build my own kernel with custom patches, and somehow still be able to use the linux-modules-extra package (because I need some modules from there) |
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| 20:05.06 | jpinx | that's cool dudeman - I'll see if there's a forum or soemthing for this one |
| 20:05.23 | dudeman | jpinx, exactly what is your goal? |
| 20:05.31 | dudeman | jpinx, you want to dual boot but you have no free partitions/ |
| 20:05.45 | aphexer | n3kl: but if I compile the kernel myself, I need to compile linux-modules-extra too myself, because it depends on linux-headers and linux-support |
| 20:05.51 | jpinx | what I had to do the hard way |
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| 20:05.57 | n3kl | aphexer: I don't even have a linux-modules package |
| 20:05.59 | TuxCrafter | how can i let iceweasel 3 say its firefox 2, for some grazy ms website |
| 20:06.12 | dudeman | jpinx, what did you have to do the hard way? and what was that hard way/ |
| 20:06.20 | jpinx | defrag the windows partitions, then install debian and dual boot grub config |
| 20:06.21 | n3kl | aphexer: so compile it yourself |
| 20:06.35 | n3kl | aphexer: you compiled the kernel, just take the next step |
| 20:06.56 | dudeman | jpinx, you had to resize the ntfs partitions? otherwise you don't have to defrag them |
| 20:06.56 | n3kl | jpinx: what adoes defrag have to do with anything |
| 20:06.58 | stew | TuxCrafter: /msg dpkg iceweasel user-agent |
| 20:07.08 | jpinx | dudeman: doing the partiton thing in windows is dangerous |
| 20:07.12 | PSICLOPS | stew i moved to /usr/src and did make all and make bzdisk ... but same message |
| 20:07.36 | jpinx | by defragging you can cut the tail off the ntfs partition and put debian on the space |
| 20:07.40 | stew | PSICLOPS: you need to run it in the kernel source directory, not /usr/src. the directory where you were when you ran "make" to build the kernel |
| 20:07.41 | dustybin | anybody know if there are any debian lenny 'real hard copy' books what might be in production |
| 20:07.46 | xand | n3kl: yes |
| 20:07.50 | dudeman | jpinx, so you had to resize the NTFS ? |
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| 20:07.57 | jpinx | dudeman - yes |
| 20:08.03 | dudeman | ahhh ok |
| 20:08.09 | jpinx | that was the dangerous bit |
| 20:08.10 | dudeman | so you have to install debian now? |
| 20:08.12 | n3kl | xand: dmz? What do you use the third one for? Do you wish there were 4? |
| 20:08.27 | aphexer | n3kl: http://packages.debian.org/source/etch/linux-modules-extra-2.6, the problem with compiling this myself is that this package depends on linux-support-2.6.18-6, which is not the same kernel as the one I'm building modules for. |
| 20:08.32 | jpinx | this was some time ago - I have triple boot now on the laptop |
| 20:08.42 | dudeman | eh |
| 20:08.51 | dudeman | I thought you were asking how to do that dual boot... |
| 20:08.55 | dustybin | the last debian book was for 3.1 |
| 20:08.57 | dustybin | http://www.play.com/Books/Books/4-/251673/Debian-GNU-Linux-3-1-Bible/Product.html?cm_mmc=Froogle-_-Books-_-Misc-_-Debian%2BGNU%2FLinux%2B3.1%2BBible&source=5064&engine=froogle_books&keyword=Debian+GNU%2FLinux+3.1+Bible |
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| 20:09.04 | jpinx | but it's too steep a learning curve for the average windows user |
| 20:09.12 | jpinx | they need it done for them |
| 20:09.15 | dudeman | true |
| 20:09.22 | PSICLOPS | stew hmm this is gettin hard ;D i downloaded the image.bz2 from kernel.org |
| 20:09.33 | jpinx | hence my interest in automating the process I went through |
| 20:09.36 | PSICLOPS | stew and mv it to /usr/src |
| 20:09.38 | dudeman | jpinx, do you have the technical expertise to create a system that can automate this and perhaps submit this to debian? |
| 20:09.53 | jpinx | I'll look at that - but I think not |
| 20:09.57 | n3kl | dustybin: I just finished this one: its written for sarge: http://www.amazon.com/Debian-System-Concepts-Techniques/dp/1593270690/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220990978&sr=8-1 |
| 20:10.03 | jpinx | I can explain the details of the process I did by hand |
| 20:10.04 | dudeman | I'm not sure if the d-i can resize ntfs partitions.. I've never tried |
| 20:10.10 | TuxCrafter | stew: thanks |
| 20:10.19 | dudeman | does anyone know if it can/ |
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| 20:10.29 | n3kl | I doubt it |
| 20:10.31 | dudeman | (damn shift key)*grumble* |
| 20:10.36 | dustybin | n3kl: sarge is 2 releases ago |
| 20:10.42 | n3kl | dustybin: I am well aware |
| 20:10.55 | n3kl | dudeman: though, I think you could use gparted ahead of time |
| 20:11.04 | jpinx | dudeman: is there a special channel for this project? |
| 20:11.18 | dudeman | jpinx, #debian-boot on irc.debian.net |
| 20:11.22 | jpinx | or are there people here whoa re especially working on it? |
| 20:11.24 | dudeman | or .org I can't remember which |
| 20:11.31 | dudeman | just use irc.oftc.net #debian-boot |
| 20:11.33 | n3kl | dustybin: the concepts still apply |
| 20:11.44 | dustybin | a lot has changed since then? |
| 20:12.07 | jpinx | dudeman - cool - got them thanks |
| 20:12.13 | dudeman | np |
| 20:12.17 | n3kl | dustybin: not in the tools, perhaps configs and default packages |
| 20:12.28 | dustybin | there are mountains of ubuntu, redhat, suse books, but not many debian ones |
| 20:12.36 | dustybin | ok |
| 20:12.45 | n3kl | dustybin: are you shopping for books to read? |
| 20:12.50 | dustybin | aye |
| 20:12.58 | dudeman | look on undernet irc in like #ebooks or something |
| 20:13.07 | dudeman | you can find plenty of linux/debian books in there |
| 20:13.19 | dustybin | yuk ebooks |
| 20:13.19 | n3kl | yeah, I thought that book I linked was decent, old, but good core knowledge |
| 20:13.22 | dustybin | i prefer real books |
| 20:13.24 | dudeman | you can search amazon |
| 20:13.38 | n3kl | dudeman: people just share them out? |
| 20:13.53 | dudeman | yeh.. its not legal.. |
| 20:14.03 | ham5 | tsk tsk |
| 20:14.21 | dudeman | but thats i think in the book warez channels I won't name |
| 20:14.26 | dustybin | illegal + gnu doesnt mix |
| 20:14.27 | dudeman | #ebooks is a usually safe bet |
| 20:14.38 | dudeman | they usually host free ebooks anyway |
| 20:15.05 | abrotman | i thought you were going to remap your enter key? |
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| 20:17.56 | ElectriX | peppe |
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| 20:18.27 | stew | dudeman: you should not be telling people to pirate books/software on this network |
| 20:18.43 | TuxCrafter | is going to sleep wishes everybody a good day |
| 20:19.20 | dudeman | stew, I am not. I was talking about a resource which hosts free ebooks afaik |
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| 20:19.26 | xand | n3kl: adsl, lan, wireless |
| 20:19.30 | xand | n3kl: and, maybe |
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| 20:19.45 | gfd | hello, can anyone tell me why I'm banned from here? |
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| 20:19.53 | n3kl | xand: ok, thanks. I will stop perstering =] |
| 20:20.01 | stew | dudeman: you are telling someone to get on effnet where one can find illegally pirated books |
| 20:20.07 | n3kl | gfd: it apears you are talking |
| 20:20.10 | gfd | user gynterk, and gkkk |
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| 20:20.29 | dudeman | sure you can find illegal stuff on the web too, would you say the same thing if i said you can find ebooks on th eweb |
| 20:20.43 | dudeman | you can find legal AND illegla books on the web.. I never said to obtain anything illegally |
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| 20:21.18 | stew | < dudeman> look on undernet irc in like #ebooks or something < dudeman> you can find plenty of linux/debian books in there < dudeman> yeh.. its not legal.. |
| 20:21.29 | gfd | there are libraries too... |
| 20:21.46 | dudeman | I was talking about the book warez channels which I said I won't name |
| 20:21.54 | dudeman | I wasn't talking about #ebooks |
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| 20:22.03 | gfd | ah, k |
| 20:22.09 | dudeman | unless you decided not to read the part about how #books ime is a safe bet |
| 20:22.24 | dudeman | since I obtained free ebooks from there, as they are militant about not hosting illegal books |
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| 20:22.39 | dudeman | just like legaltorrents.com or some such.. don't pick a fight about this crap dude |
| 20:22.42 | gkkk | well, works now |
| 20:22.43 | gkkk | odd |
| 20:22.55 | Amarande | ok, I'm going to assume that using dpkg -r on an Xorg driver that's currently running is a recipe for fail |
| 20:23.37 | gkkk | does midnight commander REGET (ftp link) equals with Resume? |
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| 20:25.02 | dudeman | how does one go about making the size of the cli bigger, (no X) |
| 20:25.20 | dudeman | I want more columns/rows in textmode/climode |
| 20:25.42 | asg | dudeman: vga=xxx |
| 20:25.49 | dudeman | oh yeah, but which should I use |
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| 20:25.59 | asg | dudeman: I've always had good luck with 791 |
| 20:26.08 | dudeman | asg, whereis the text file with that information about the modes? |
| 20:26.19 | asg | dudeman: Documentation/vesa.txt iirc |
| 20:26.19 | beardy | !vesafb |
| 20:26.20 | dpkg | from memory, vesafb is crap, if you compile all the lowlevel text drivers as modules, which happens automagically if you have another fb driver selected as a module. |
| 20:26.28 | beardy | Mkay. |
| 20:26.31 | beardy | What asg said. |
| 20:26.35 | dudeman | heh :) |
| 20:26.37 | dudeman | thanks man |
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| 20:27.07 | abrotman | there's a Framebuffer howto on tldp.org |
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| 20:27.24 | abrotman | or used to be IIRC |
| 20:27.56 | n3kl | sepski: Hey, what kind of cases do you use for those routerboard machines? |
| 20:28.06 | n3kl | sepski: rather, where do you get them? |
| 20:28.07 | thing1 | i'm looking for something that i can load onto my debian server that would enable it to act as a videoconferencing client capable of H.323 and H.264 protocol |
| 20:29.08 | thing1 | basically i would like to be able to connect camaras to it via ip and and be able to use them for video conferencing |
| 20:29.17 | gkkk | ok, bye bye |
| 20:29.17 | thing1 | does anyone know of such an animal? |
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| 20:29.48 | n3kl | thing1: I know kopete does video conf, but don't know about the codecs |
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| 20:29.58 | dudeman | asg, what bout a 22" widescren lcd, what do you recommend for that one |
| 20:30.07 | sepski | n3kl, my national microtik/routerboard distributor have cases made for them. i belive they are also made by microtik. but most of those i use are inside antenna's only 10% are in boxe's with multiple antenna's |
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| 20:30.29 | n3kl | sepski: ahh, ok |
| 20:30.31 | n3kl | thanks |
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| 20:31.21 | abrotman | dudeman: google for the Framebuffere howto |
| 20:31.43 | dudeman | ok |
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| 20:32.16 | dimbit | hi all, and help |
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| 20:32.28 | pickcoder | help is not here... |
| 20:32.30 | dimbit | installing the updated openssh has knackered ssh access to my machine |
| 20:32.53 | asg | dudeman: I'd recommend running X with lots of rxvts myself |
| 20:33.09 | pickcoder | dimbit: did you install the key blacklist? |
| 20:33.10 | dubbaluga | hi! i'm running debian/testing and i want aptitude to prefer .deb packages from the winehq.com site instead of the official debian repository, what can I do? The winehq.list is already in /etc/apt/sources.list.d and "aptitude update" has already executed |
| 20:33.15 | pickcoder | openssh-blacklist |
| 20:33.31 | dimbit | yes |
| 20:33.33 | stew | its a strict dependency, so he must have |
| 20:33.47 | pickcoder | stew:.. yeah but you never know. |
| 20:34.00 | dimbit | http://pastebin.com/m5fdfcd6b |
| 20:34.28 | dimbit | how do I remove all the keys and generate new ones? |
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| 20:36.08 | stew | dubbaluga: man apt_preferences |
| 20:36.23 | dubbaluga | stew: thx! |
| 20:36.48 | dimbit | ssh-vulnkey -a comes up with 4 compromised keys and nothing else |
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| 20:37.48 | asg | dimbit: dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server will regen host keys if you've deleted the old ones. User keys must be deleted and regenerated manually with ssh-keygen |
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| 20:38.11 | joltcan | dimbit: http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys |
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| 20:38.38 | dimbit | asg: tried that a few times but it seems to regenerate keys that it immediately blacklists |
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| 20:39.53 | asg | dimbit: what does 'dpkg -l openssh-server' print? |
| 20:39.56 | dimbit | joltcan: read that. didn't really guide me anywhere tho... |
| 20:39.56 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | There's a bug in OOo's spellcheck |
| 20:40.09 | dimbit | openssh-server 1:4.3p2-9etch2 Secure shell server, an rshd replacement |
| 20:40.14 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | in fact... X-Chat's spell checking dictionary is missing some words too |
| 20:40.15 | binrapt | What do I have to do in order to bind my IP to a domain using reverse DNS? The domain already resolves to the IP of my dedicated server but the reverse DNS is still wrong: |
| 20:40.16 | binrapt | Name: hosted-by.leaseweb.com |
| 20:40.16 | binrapt | Address: 85.17.65.3 |
| 20:40.18 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | "Dialogue" |
| 20:40.36 | Amarande | bah, time to build 2.6.26.5 kernel and see if THAT lets me log out :| |
| 20:40.43 | asg | dimbit: that's the most recent etch update. You are running etch right? |
| 20:40.44 | joltcan | dimbit: It has a section about how to change the openssh server keys |
| 20:40.52 | n3kl | binrapt: talk to your hosting company |
| 20:41.10 | Amarande | speaking of which: |
| 20:41.20 | dimbit | asg: yes |
| 20:41.21 | Amarande | can 2.6.26.5 be built on etch or do I need to bite the bullet and help test lenny |
| 20:41.41 | OpenTokix | Amarande: It can probably be built on etch |
| 20:41.42 | binrapt | n3kl: Huh? Isn't that something I can do myself? O_o |
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| 20:41.54 | n3kl | binrapt: do you control your own dns? |
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| 20:41.59 | omry | I get lots of "ssh-scan[4445]: segfault a .." messages in dmesg on a new debian etch, any idea what it can be? |
| 20:42.06 | dimbit | joltcan: tried the "rm /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*" thing already |
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| 20:42.12 | binrapt | I run tinydns hm |
| 20:42.14 | dimbit | it just generated keys that it blacklisted |
| 20:42.22 | stew | dimbit: does "aptitude search '~U'" return any results? |
| 20:42.33 | binrapt | n3kl want my /etc/network/interfaces? I'm a noob at this stuff |
| 20:42.35 | stew | Amarande: bpo has 2.6.26 for lenny: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 20:42.36 | n3kl | binrapt: or perhaps I don't understand |
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| 20:42.57 | dimbit | stew: yes, but nothing ssh related |
| 20:43.16 | n3kl | binrapt: you want a reverse lookup on your external ip address? that has nothing to do with your interfaces file |
| 20:43.20 | binrapt | Oh ok |
| 20:43.25 | stew | dimbit: anything ssl related? |
| 20:43.31 | dimbit | not really |
| 20:43.46 | dimbit | http://pastebin.com/m2d2585d4 |
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| 20:44.16 | LemensTS | i did 'adduser polycom' and then i check /home/ and it did not create a directory. Shouldnt it do this by default? |
| 20:44.38 | dudeman | none of the listed modes have 16:10 resolution so no matter which mode I select other than the default, my fonts look really fuzzy |
| 20:44.48 | dudeman | is there a way to force/generate the 1680x1050 mode? |
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| 20:45.10 | yassine | hi everyone |
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| 20:45.12 | n3kl | Hmm, gnash does not work as wekk |
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| 20:45.21 | dudeman | yassine, hi |
| 20:45.31 | dudeman | n3kl, just use flash nonfree? |
| 20:46.00 | dimbit | is there an easy way to roll back to the old, vulnerable ssh server that worked??? |
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| 20:46.25 | sirob | dimbit: why ? |
| 20:46.35 | n3kl | dudeman: its not going to be included in lenny |
| 20:46.45 | yassine | i have a strange behaviour here when i connect to my debian based (lenny) home server if i use aptitude of other command there a dosen of chars that are not rendered as they should : an example : http://rafb.net/p/lK6hNx93.html |
| 20:46.57 | dimbit | because regenerating keys isn't working |
| 20:46.58 | n3kl | dudeman: I have a monitor with that resulution and I use 791 |
| 20:47.01 | yassine | any one here have an idea where the problem could comes from? |
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| 20:47.09 | dimbit | and I like ssh |
| 20:47.13 | dimbit | and it's broken |
| 20:47.24 | stew | dimbit: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy openssl libssl0.9.8" |
| 20:47.25 | et | just setup a telnet server |
| 20:47.35 | n3kl | et: terrible advice |
| 20:47.40 | sirob | dimbit: it isn't broken |
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| 20:47.56 | dimbit | stew: http://pastebin.com/m4f5f9a9b |
| 20:48.01 | et | n3kl: i hope he figures that too |
| 20:48.08 | n3kl | et: hah |
| 20:48.15 | _Vi | I'm using the "reportbug" utility. Why I don't see my text when I choose "re-edit bug report"? |
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| 20:48.34 | et | i was just pointing out that using the vulnerable version of openssh has about the same amount of security |
| 20:48.43 | stew | dimbit: yeah, the problem is that you aren't running openssl from debian stable |
| 20:48.50 | dimbit | sirob: ok, maybe "not working anymore" was a better way to put it ;) |
| 20:48.54 | tralalaptop | is there a way to change gnome's window manager without restarting it? |
| 20:48.56 | mmlj4 | anyone do pxeboot? I don't see where it says to create pxelinux.0 in http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
| 20:49.05 | dimbit | hmm... ok |
| 20:49.17 | stew | dimbit: you upgraded to openssl from testing at some point in the past, so your ssl is still a vulnerable one |
| 20:49.20 | dudeman | mmlj4, I just used the debian install guide.. it worked for me |
| 20:49.23 | dimbit | thought etch was stable |
| 20:49.27 | _Vi | Is "reportbug" utility the recommended way to file bug reports for Debian packages? |
| 20:49.28 | n3kl | if you turn off ssh key authentication, doesn't this close the hole while that admin corrects the problem? |
| 20:49.29 | stew | dimbit: yes, etch is stable |
| 20:49.36 | dimbit | hmm |
| 20:49.36 | dudeman | _Vi, yes |
| 20:49.45 | stew | dimbit: look at your last pastebin, you are running a later upstream version than the etch version |
| 20:49.46 | mmlj4 | it mentions that file, but not how to creat it |
| 20:50.06 | dimbit | oh yeah |
| 20:50.12 | dimbit | ok |
| 20:50.34 | stew | dimbit: and you aren't getting upgraded to the patched version because your version 0.9.8e-5 appears newer than the stable version 0.9.8c-4etch3 |
| 20:50.35 | tralalaptop | n3kl, not really |
| 20:50.43 | _Vi | dudeman, When I choose "Re-edit bug report", should I see the full bug report or only headers and technical information? |
| 20:50.47 | dimbit | so I'm thinking download the .deb from packages.debian.org... or is there an easier way? |
| 20:51.02 | stew | dimbit: aptitude install pacakgename=version |
| 20:51.05 | dudeman | I don't remember! |
| 20:51.23 | n3kl | tralalaptop: I regend all my keys the day it was discovered, but isnt the ssh problem due to key authentication? Excluding other certificates |
| 20:51.53 | dimbit | why does that want to remove cdda2wav?!?!?! not that I care, but ?!? |
| 20:52.58 | stew | dimbit: show us the output of "apt-cache policy cdda2wav libc6" |
| 20:53.02 | tralalaptop | n3kl, the servers also have keys, allowing man-in-the-middle attacks even when key auth is disabled |
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| 20:53.20 | dimbit | yep, ok, same thing |
| 20:53.25 | dimbit | that'll be why |
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| 20:53.35 | dimbit | right, so, correct ssl version now installed |
| 20:53.37 | n3kl | tralalaptop: yeah, but that would be tough to pull off over the internet |
| 20:53.55 | dimbit | quickest way to regenerate keys? rm them then dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 20:53.55 | maplebed | can anyone tell me about /dev/.static when using udev? |
| 20:54.02 | asg | dimbit: yes |
| 20:54.04 | n3kl | tralalaptop: not arguing, just point out |
| 20:54.06 | dimbit | kk |
| 20:54.15 | maplebed | I'm installing watchdog and it has a postinst command /sbin/MAKEDEV misc that creates a bunch of stuff in there. |
| 20:54.37 | maplebed | I'm confused why it doesn't use the udev framework to set up /dev/watchdog |
| 20:54.47 | maplebed | (I also know very little about udev, so forgive me if the question is inane) |
| 20:54.57 | dimbit | aaaaaaaand... it's created and immediately blacklisted 4 keys again |
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| 20:55.03 | rutski | cross-post warning: |
| 20:55.03 | rutski | I'm interested in learning how debian distributes C++ libraries via apt. If I have C++ library A, and client application B, then is it not the case that I must build both projects A and B with the same exact set of STL headers and compiler, or else risk introducing weird and subtle binary incompatibilities? Given that, I somehow don't feel safe just, lets say, pulling in ogre via apt-get and using it to build a project; or does debian make s |
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| 20:56.30 | stew | rutski: debian makes sure that it correctly uses SONAMES for its shared library. its ok if you compile against one version and run against another as long as the SONAMES are the same. a new SONAME is a new package name, so multiple SONAMES of the same library can co-exist |
| 20:56.40 | tralalaptop | n3kl, true, it isn't easy, but neither is eavesdropping yet we avoid telnet in favour of ssh |
| 20:56.50 | dimbit | that's because it didnt install the other version at all. it lied! |
| 20:57.56 | dimbit | ok, now it has and is still blacklisting the keys it creates. confused. |
| 20:58.20 | n3kl | tralalaptop: yeah |
| 20:58.48 | n3kl | Debian: "Have you regenereated your ssh keys lately?" |
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| 20:58.59 | n3kl | I want that bumber sicker |
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| 20:59.17 | _Vi | How to teach Debian not to change links to JDK/JRE executables with GCJ ones? Or how to make Debian believe that I really have Java installed and not need GCJ? |
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| 20:59.44 | arkara | will the new testing have nvidia drivers on repos? |
| 20:59.53 | arkara | does anyone know? |
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| 21:00.09 | Lagbolt | hmm does debian respond to Pavlov's dog experiments? |
| 21:00.17 | _Vi | When GCJ gets updated, I need to change all links in /etc/alternatives to Sun's JDK every time. |
| 21:00.28 | abrotman | arkara: new testing? |
| 21:00.41 | abrotman | arkara: the current one should have them at some point |
| 21:00.42 | arkara | the one that comes after lenny |
| 21:00.48 | abrotman | i'd imagine so |
| 21:00.53 | abrotman | that's a long way off |
| 21:00.58 | dimbit | FIXED! :) :) |
| 21:01.00 | dimbit | thanks all |
| 21:01.08 | stew | _Vi: how are you changing the links in /etc/alternatives in the first place? |
| 21:01.12 | dimbit | lots of dependencies later it works |
| 21:02.12 | _Vi | 1. Goto JDK bin directory. 2. for i in *; do Remove every symlink from /etc/alternatives ; done; 3. for i in *; ln -s ......; done; 4. The same for jre/bin directory. |
| 21:02.31 | _Vi | "every symlink" means "$i symlink" |
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| 21:02.48 | n3kl | How can I use a webcam? |
| 21:02.49 | stew | _Vi: you shouldn't bre touching those links by hand but using update-java-alternatives or update-alternatives, the problem is that you are changing the symlinks but aren't setting the alternatives to manual from auto |
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| 21:03.17 | _Vi | I've looked "man update-java-alternatives" first, but found nothing useful. |
| 21:03.22 | asg | Lagbolt: in my experience, if you run "echo -ne '\a'" it doesn't automatically 'apt-get install burgerspace' so I'd say no. |
| 21:03.35 | stew | _Vi: its useful. it will do exactly what you are asking how to do |
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| 21:04.47 | Lagbolt | asg, nice |
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| 21:05.21 | _Vi | Where to specify the directory with JDK in it? I want something like "update-java-alternatives /usr/lib/java/jdk1.6.0_06". It don't work. The manual says that some file should be in some place (there's only one file there)... |
| 21:05.51 | maplebed | any advice about where I could go to learn about the debian configuration of watchdog, udev, and other related tidbits? |
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| 21:06.19 | _Vi | And there's no EXAMPLES section in the "man update-java-alternatives". |
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| 21:06.36 | stew | _Vi: you don't specifiy the directory, you specify the 'jname' with --set or -s |
| 21:06.45 | grendal_prime | rember when you could use ssh-keygen to generate an id_rsa and an id_rsa.pub pair, then you could copy the id_ras.pub up to a server/home/sameuser/.ssh/authorized_keys file and then you could just log right into that server with the user and not get prompted for a password? |
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| 21:07.15 | grendal_prime | what would cause that cenario to just not work? |
| 21:07.37 | _Vi | "update-java-alternatives -l" lists only gcj. Should I create the jname manually? |
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| 21:08.08 | stew | _Vi: no, how did you install the other java? |
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| 21:08.41 | maplebed | grendal_prime: ssh -vvv will give you more information, hopefully telling you where the process is broken. There are lots of ways that can go wrong. (I usually start by checking permisisons on ~/.ssh/) |
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| 21:08.47 | _Vi | Download the archive from Sun's site, Unpack it, Move to arbitrary (/usr/lib/java/) place. |
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| 21:09.15 | abrotman | !install java |
| 21:09.15 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. <java alternatives> |
| 21:09.24 | stew | _Vi: this is assuming that the alternatives are registered with the alternatives system, debian provides several java implementations that do this, and provides a "java-package" package to build such a package from something you'd download from sun |
| 21:10.33 | _Vi | OK, I'll try java-package. |
| 21:11.45 | stew | _Vi: why not just use the already created sun-java6-jdk package? |
| 21:11.48 | themill | _Vi: why not just use the debian package directly? |
| 21:11.58 | themill | <snap> |
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| 21:12.20 | _Vi | "apt-cache search sun-java6-jdk" shows no results. |
| 21:12.42 | stew | _Vi: yeah, becuase its not in debian, its in non-free, or on backports.org depending on which release you are running |
| 21:12.45 | themill | _Vi: follow what dpkg just said. If you are using etch, then you need to go to backports.org |
| 21:12.56 | grendal_prime | ya permissions on .ssh are 700 |
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| 21:13.01 | grendal_prime | ok what does this mean.. |
| 21:13.02 | grendal_prime | debug1: Trying private key: /home/plbuilder/.ssh/id_dsa |
| 21:13.10 | themill | realises that stew is miles ahead of him on this and wanders off.... |
| 21:13.14 | grendal_prime | i dont have an id_dsa. |
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| 21:13.29 | grendal_prime | i created rsa key pair though.. |
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| 21:13.40 | grendal_prime | why would it be looking for an id_dsa? |
| 21:13.49 | stew | grendal_prime: you could try deleting the .ssh on the server and copying the public key from the client using ssh-copy-id which has a better chance of doing the right thing |
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| 21:14.20 | stew | grendal_prime: becuase its one of the defaults if you don't provide -i |
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| 21:14.41 | grendal_prime | i though i was supposed to do -t rsa |
| 21:14.44 | grendal_prime | hmm |
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| 21:15.11 | stew | grendal_prime: yes, using rsa keys is recommended over using dsa |
| 21:15.43 | grendal_prime | where am i supposed to put -i ? |
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| 21:16.39 | stew | grendal_prime: if your key is $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa you don't need to |
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| 21:17.12 | Zambezi | I can use my scanner as root, but I want to use it without root, with my login. What is necassary to do? I don't want to add unnecassary access. |
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| 21:17.35 | stew | Zambezi: adduser username scanner |
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| 21:18.56 | stew | Zambezi: (you'll need to logout and back in before you get the additional group access) |
| 21:20.55 | grendal_prime | well it is.. |
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| 21:21.14 | grendal_prime | my key is $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa |
| 21:21.41 | grendal_prime | i tried the ssh-copy-id and it did create it, but it still does not work |
| 21:21.55 | grendal_prime | this is werid..ive never had this problem before i use this alot |
| 21:21.59 | stew | grendal_prime: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 21:25.43 | vrv | Hello :) i have a little issue with Gnome (2.14.3) in Debian, time-to-time "Shift", "Alt" & "Ctrl" keys stoped to work, after Gnome restarting all returning to normal stage, could you suggest any fixing for it? |
| 21:26.08 | grendal_prime | gives me a bunch of info that makes no sence to me |
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| 21:27.15 | grendal_prime | wait a min...debug1: Found 5c:4e:05:04:4f:54:8f:2b:39:5c:00:a9:cb:f1:a1:66 in blacklist |
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| 21:27.29 | Zambezi | stew: Worked like a treat. Thanks! |
| 21:27.33 | grendal_prime | how do i get ssh to hmmmmthat box i know was updated |
| 21:27.41 | grendal_prime | werid |
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| 21:27.57 | miksuh | vrv: I have never sen problem like that, so no idea... |
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| 21:32.26 | grendal_prime | stew: aparently this box has old ssl on it, and it is now installing the new openssl blacklist package, do i need to run something to get it regenerate keys..for ssh? or can i just, rebuild my new rsa_id files? |
| 21:33.23 | stew | grendal_prime: you can use ssh-vulnkey to see if they are blacklisted, if they are, you can delete them and "dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server" iirc, /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
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| 21:38.27 | n3kl | Why would my raid keep rebuilding itself? |
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| 21:41.06 | mmlj4 | a bad disk, probably |
| 21:41.16 | basix | how do i get the manufacturer information for my LCD panel? I tried lspci -vv but it didn't list my display panel |
| 21:41.32 | n3kl | Hey anyone in here using wware raid cards? |
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| 21:41.38 | n3kl | sorry, 3ware? |
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| 21:42.22 | stew | n3kl: many people |
| 21:42.24 | dcsimon | basix: lspci only lists pci devices, which does not really include lcd displays |
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| 21:42.30 | n3kl | stew: you? |
| 21:42.39 | stew | yes |
| 21:42.48 | basix | dcsimon, what should i use then? |
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| 21:42.57 | vrv | Thank you in any case :) |
| 21:43.09 | dcsimon | basix: I suggest looking at the lcd and googling the model number |
| 21:43.10 | stew | basix: /var/log/Xorg.0.log might have it |
| 21:43.15 | n3kl | stew: do you run a daemon that interfaces with the card or something? HOw are you alerted if a disk dies or there is another problem? |
| 21:43.28 | basix | dcsimon, this is a laptop i'm talking about |
| 21:43.45 | basix | dcsimon, i want the actual part / serial number of the device. |
| 21:43.46 | stew | n3kl: yeah, run 3dm2 which debian-unofficial.org provides. it emails me |
| 21:44.15 | n3kl | stew: so if needed, could you rebuild an array without rebooting using tools in linux? |
| 21:44.30 | n3kl | stew: is 3dm2 pretty reliable? |
| 21:44.36 | stew | n3kl: yes, it provides a webpage and cli tools |
| 21:44.37 | stew | n3kl: yes |
| 21:44.43 | n3kl | Ahh |
| 21:44.54 | dcsimon | basix: short of taking the laptop apart and looking for the serial number / manufacture sticker, I'm not sure. |
| 21:44.56 | n3kl | stew: I need something better than my mdadm right now I think |
| 21:45.00 | n3kl | stew: thanks |
| 21:45.37 | Authority | basix: try read-edid, but I don't see a package for it |
| 21:45.47 | n3kl | stew: is it worth it in your oppinion to go hardware raid? |
| 21:45.51 | basix | Authority, dcsimon thanks |
| 21:45.54 | stew | hmm, does it provide a cli? now i'm getting confused. it definately provides a webpage |
| 21:46.31 | stew | n3kl: i dunno |
| 21:46.56 | dcsimon | n3k: what sort of raid are you using? |
| 21:46.58 | stew | ahh yeah there is a cli package |
| 21:47.03 | n3kl | dcsimon: md |
| 21:47.13 | n3kl | dcsimon: 5 |
| 21:47.28 | n3kl | but I think if I get a hardware raid I will move to a raid 10 |
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| 21:51.42 | dusty_ | Hey guys I keep getting these and im not sure why ? http://rafb.net/p/S5oAoB38.html |
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| 21:53.38 | aib | can i have 32-bit and 64-bit packages in the same repository? |
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| 21:54.26 | dmoerner | aib: that's certainly how the debian mirrors work, so yes. |
| 21:54.26 | aib | i can't figure out how to differentiate them. i've got i386 in the filename for 32-bit, and amd64 for 64-bit, but dpkg-scanpackages only picks up one of them |
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| 21:55.51 | pickcoder | aib: the arch flag should denote that IIRC. Read the maintainers guide. |
| 21:57.01 | stew | aib: "/msg dpkg repository" if you haven't yet looked at the repository howto |
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| 21:59.21 | aib | thanks |
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| 21:59.32 | aib | so i guess you can't have multi-arch setups with a "trivial repository" |
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| 21:59.53 | stew | aib: no, i don't believe so |
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| 22:04.58 | Gm4n | how does one make an init script run a process? |
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| 22:10.23 | streuner | Gm4n: man update-rc.d |
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| 22:10.49 | Gm4n | streuner: sorry, I meant more like writing the script in the first place. The script apt-get installed is busted :( |
| 22:10.50 | streuner | !listvals update-rc.d |
| 22:10.52 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'update-rc.d' by value (15 of 17): chkconfig ;; custom startup script ;; init.d ;; nodm ;; on boot ;; rc.l ;; rc2.d ;; rcconf ;; red hat tools ;; run at startup ;; runlevel ;; services ;; sysv-rc ;; tp600 sound ;; update-rc.d. |
| 22:10.53 | Tapout | I had to compile a kernel from the debian kernel source. The kernel running is the same as the one aptitude thinks it wants to install. Anyone know how to get around this? |
| 22:11.17 | streuner | Gm4n: how? |
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| 22:11.45 | Gm4n | streuner: when I invoke the exectuable by hand, it works. When I /etc/init.d/... start it, it doesn't get run |
| 22:12.28 | streuner | use "-x" in the script and look whats going on |
| 22:12.56 | abrotman | Tapout: it's a security patch |
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| 22:15.01 | Gm4n | streuner: according to the man page for start-stop-daemon, -x checks for already running processes (I already know it's not) |
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| 22:15.24 | streuner | no, i mean in the script itself |
| 22:15.30 | streuner | not for update-rc.d |
| 22:15.50 | Tapout | abrotman, dang.. now I gotta remember how I compiled the kernel :( |
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| 22:15.58 | Gm4n | that is in the script itself |
| 22:16.01 | streuner | it make the script more verbose and you see the error/warnings... |
| 22:16.03 | Tapout | abrotman, what file I had to edit hehe |
| 22:16.04 | abrotman | Tapout: how? or with which options? |
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| 22:16.10 | Gm4n | ooh, so at the top of the script |
| 22:16.10 | abrotman | oh .. you patched it |
| 22:16.26 | Tapout | abrotman, to get my camera to work, I had to change a 0x*** setting in a file |
| 22:16.39 | abrotman | you could do a diff ? |
| 22:17.07 | streuner | Gm4n: #! /bin/sh -x |
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| 22:17.21 | Gm4n | I got it, set -x worked :) |
| 22:18.11 | Gm4n | hmm, looks like script is missing a parameter |
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| 22:18.49 | Tapout | abrecus, found the file and thankfully diff'd to see the edit |
| 22:18.51 | Tapout | :) |
| 22:19.15 | simonrvn | EBADTAB |
| 22:19.24 | format_c | which package is "locate" part of? |
| 22:19.40 | streuner | slocate nowadays :-) |
| 22:19.47 | Gm4n | awesome, thanks for the -x tip, streuner! That's killer for debugging :) |
| 22:19.52 | Tapout | abrotman : http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/attachments/20070611/c63bc374/attachment.txt |
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| 22:19.54 | format_c | streuner, tjx |
| 22:19.55 | Tapout | woot :) |
| 22:19.57 | simonrvn | !tell format_c -about search |
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| 22:20.43 | format_c | but how to remove old versions of that package? if I don't want it anymore |
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| 22:24.28 | format_c | ah got it |
| 22:24.37 | format_c | the old one is part of findutils |
| 22:24.54 | format_c | mhh the cronjob is just bothering me |
| 22:25.17 | format_c | Maybe I just remove it from the /etc/cron.* directory |
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| 22:30.09 | dusty_ | Hey guys I have installed mysql on debian from the repositories, however i cannot connect to it remotley if i nmap it i dont see the ports. im guessing its listening locally, how do i get it to listen to the external interface aswell ? |
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| 22:31.26 | format_c | dusty_, how about netstat -tln | grep 3306 ? |
| 22:31.28 | stew | dusty_: zless /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/README.Debian.gz |
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| 22:32.18 | dusty_ | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
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| 22:32.28 | abrotman | dusty_: read the documentation |
| 22:33.09 | dusty_ | For security reasons, the Debian package has enabled networking only on the |
| 22:33.09 | dusty_ | loop-back device using "bind-address" in /etc/mysql/my.cnf. Check with |
| 22:33.10 | dusty_ | "netstat -tlnp" where it is listening. If your connection is aborted |
| 22:33.10 | dusty_ | immediately see if "mysqld: all" or similar is in /etc/hosts.allow and read |
| 22:33.10 | dusty_ | hosts_access(5). |
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| 22:33.43 | abrotman | dusty_: you should read it .. not us |
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| 22:34.09 | binrapt | What should I install to monitor the traffic used by my dedicated server? |
| 22:34.12 | stew | everybody should read it, but nobody should paste it :) |
| 22:34.30 | abrotman | well .. the smart money is on pgsql :) |
| 22:34.41 | binrapt | Is there some nifty program which can do that? |
| 22:34.48 | format_c | binrapt, what do you mean to monitor? |
| 22:34.51 | stew | binrapt: can you be more specific about what exactly you'd like to see? |
| 22:34.54 | format_c | just in time? |
| 22:35.01 | abrotman | binrapt: at that moment .. or cumulative? |
| 22:35.01 | binrapt | Traffic / time statistics yes |
| 22:35.05 | binrapt | Like, per day, per month, etc |
| 22:35.08 | abrotman | apt-cache search bandwidth monitor |
| 22:35.11 | binrapt | abrotman cumulative mostly |
| 22:35.38 | format_c | binrapt, use cacti, nagios or do own scripts using rrdtool |
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| 22:53.44 | n3kl | cacti is pretty good |
| 22:53.54 | n3kl | oh, that was 20 mins ago |
| 22:54.00 | n3kl | damn this channel is slow |
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| 22:54.48 | abrotman | or you are! |
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| 22:55.44 | binrapt | n3kl does cacti have a command line interface? |
| 22:55.49 | binrapt | I googled it and it looks all GUIy |
| 22:55.52 | binrapt | This is for a shell |
| 22:56.22 | binrapt | Oh wait, it generates HTML and stuff? I can't google that much atm, uploading some stuff |
| 22:56.25 | n3kl | slurm is the only command line grapher I know |
| 22:56.28 | Zharf | it seems to be rather impossible to have an alsa-free system |
| 22:56.41 | n3kl | Zharf: is that a bad thing? |
| 22:56.46 | abrotman | Zharf: not impossible .. but not really practical |
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| 22:56.51 | newsense | find unrar lenny |
| 22:56.53 | Zharf | n3kl, for oss4 user, yes :) |
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| 22:56.58 | binrapt | And it can display the volume used so far? |
| 22:57.03 | binrapt | Sounds like what I need |
| 22:57.09 | n3kl | Zharf: why are you using oss4? |
| 22:57.58 | Zharf | n3kl, various reasons... alsa is a horrible mess, oss works, is portable and has a lot nicer interface from developer pov |
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| 22:58.28 | binrapt | Haha n3kl it's very nice |
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| 22:59.25 | n3kl | Zharf: ah, buts its dying isnt it? Its all been depricated out of the kernel |
| 22:59.30 | Zharf | no |
| 22:59.56 | Penol | i have a server with directadmin but mysqld dont work on it, i got a error like Error connecting to MySQL: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) |
| 22:59.57 | n3kl | ok |
| 23:00.11 | Zharf | http://4front-tech.com/hannublog/?p=5 |
| 23:00.19 | n3kl | Penol: sounds like your mysqlk server is not started |
| 23:00.29 | Penol | n3kl: its running |
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| 23:00.43 | Zharf | n3kl, ossv4 was gpl'd over a year ago |
| 23:01.33 | n3kl | Zharf: interesting |
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| 23:03.00 | mlLK | anyone use ldap? |
| 23:03.26 | abrotman | no |
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| 23:04.01 | shaunjonesfzr | any f in here |
| 23:04.20 | Zharf | time to sleep I suppose |
| 23:04.29 | Zharf | f? |
| 23:04.45 | mlLK | abrotman, is the ldapuri:// protocol for my machine? |
| 23:04.52 | mlLK | behind the router? |
| 23:04.59 | abrotman | i have no idea |
| 23:05.02 | abrotman | why are you asking me |
| 23:05.11 | mlLK | cuz no one else will :( |
| 23:05.14 | n3kl | mlLK: yeah |
| 23:05.29 | mlLK | n3kl, so a static ip is kosher then? |
| 23:05.37 | n3kl | mlLK: yeah |
| 23:05.43 | mlLK | k cool ty |
| 23:05.53 | n3kl | afaik, I have been using ldap for like a month |
| 23:06.10 | abrotman | mlLK: did you ask #ldap ? |
| 23:06.14 | mlLK | ya |
| 23:06.21 | mlLK | so dark and cold there |
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| 23:06.43 | n3kl | no joke |
| 23:06.54 | abrotman | i've gotten plenty of help there |
| 23:06.54 | mlLK | n3kl, you running it locally? |
| 23:07.14 | n3kl | mlLK: on a vm, which other apps and machines authenticate to |
| 23:07.20 | mlLK | somone finally said something after like 5 minutes |
| 23:07.27 | mlLK | neato |
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| 23:07.48 | abrotman | only five minutes? |
| 23:07.55 | n3kl | yeah, sounds a bit like in here today |
| 23:07.56 | mlLK | so good protocol for web-apps? |
| 23:08.10 | binrapt | Is there some administrative program which logs the SSH activity of certain users? |
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| 23:08.20 | mlLK | it was just dead and i was impatient |
| 23:08.25 | mlLK | whoa gotta response |
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| 23:12.51 | cs_student | Anyone know if there is a debian package for http://www.alice.org/ ? I need it for my cs class |
| 23:12.51 | umarzuki | hi guys |
| 23:13.37 | themill | wtf is alice? |
| 23:13.42 | umarzuki | i got a problem installing debian because i'm using sata dvd-ram |
| 23:13.56 | umarzuki | they say i had to change the drive mapping or something |
| 23:13.56 | locoabout | wonderland's girl |
| 23:14.31 | cs_student | themill, it's a gay peace of crap program which I absolutely hate |
| 23:14.33 | n3kl | I didn't know software could have a sexual preference |
| 23:14.33 | cs_student | I get to go straight from c++ to a drag and drop "gui psuedo code" program |
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| 23:15.11 | cs_student | n3kl, sorry. Did not mean to offend anyone. I'm for gay (especially lesbian) rights. |
| 23:15.20 | cs_student | It's a habbit |
| 23:15.47 | n3kl | me too |
| 23:16.01 | umarzuki | why don't you just compile it? |
| 23:16.10 | umarzuki | just curios |
| 23:16.44 | cs_student | umarzuki, they have all the java classes pre-built for linux and ready to download, but I don't have all the dependencies (and I'm not sure what they are) |
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| 23:16.45 | shinji | Dones anyone know a good tutorial for a Homemailserver with IMAP support? at best in german language but english iss also fine |
| 23:16.50 | geek | IIRC alice is an AI bot |
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| 23:17.01 | themill | 106MB download? Get out of here. |
| 23:17.13 | dureyes | can someone tell if you can, what System Monitor shows on your computer if you have 8GB of ram, because mine only shows 7.7 Gib, thanks. |
| 23:17.21 | geek | cs_student: as a cs student... you should consider it a challenge ;p |
| 23:17.23 | joaop | i have gcc-4.1 and gcc-4.3, how to use gcc-4.1 when call gcc command ? |
| 23:17.31 | binrapt | n3kl: He's against peace, too |
| 23:17.57 | umarzuki | dureyes, betcha didn't know ! mb=1024 kB |
| 23:18.00 | themill | joaop: you can't (easily). Most makefiles use the CC environment variable |
| 23:18.14 | Agiofws | how do i install a rpm in debian ? using alien ? |
| 23:18.15 | umarzuki | just guessing |
| 23:18.19 | cs_student | geek, it's more so a pain. I want to go ahead and get it installed so I can get back to my personal challenge which is creating a mmofps called Construct which is a fork from Sourcefortsmod (sourcefortsmod.com) |
| 23:18.43 | themill | joaop: if it's broken so that doesn't work, then there are other ways, e.g. /msg dpkg nvidia compiler fix |
| 23:18.51 | geek | Agiofws: generally thats not suggested |
| 23:19.07 | Agiofws | geek, no package for debian |
| 23:19.07 | geek | umarzuki: depends on if its a proper mb, or a hdd manufacturer mb ;p |
| 23:19.18 | geek | Agiofws: compile it? |
| 23:19.22 | umarzuki | cs_student, try README or something |
| 23:19.25 | Agiofws | no source |
| 23:19.27 | cs_student | I'm a self-taught programmer that is now gets to start uni |
| 23:19.43 | dmoerner_ | Agiofws: what package? |
| 23:20.09 | Agiofws | pfhoe pro |
| 23:20.15 | geek | ewww |
| 23:20.16 | Agiofws | some prop. crap |
| 23:20.40 | Zharf | cs_student, good luck with that... I've been extremely bored in univ for the past five years because I learnt all the interesting crap before entering the univ |
| 23:20.55 | joaop | themill, galternatives could help in my case? |
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| 23:21.17 | themill | joaop: no, the gcc verision is not managed through the alternatives system |
| 23:21.22 | cs_student | Zharf, I'm not even in uni yet really (taking the college class before I graduate hight school) I'm a senior |
| 23:21.33 | dureyes | umarzuki: how does that add up to 7.7GB? |
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| 23:22.10 | umarzuki | usually, manufacturer count 1 MB as 100 KB instead of 1024 |
| 23:22.20 | umarzuki | *1000 MB |
| 23:22.30 | cs_student | But my professor says he will be able to enter me in a programming competitions so I will finally get to use my knowledge. It's hard being the only other person you know who uses linux (and the other guy is an idiot who uses ubuntu) :( |
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| 23:23.42 | umarzuki | cs_student, u don't wanna get too cocky there :) |
| 23:23.59 | Kovensky | is a information systems student and is the ONLY ONE in his class to have ever been enlightened by something better than a half-assed portuguese translation of pascal |
| 23:24.09 | abrotman | !ot |
| 23:24.09 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 23:24.35 | cs_student | lol, I'm not. He just thinks he's so smart because he was able to follow a simple gui to install linux. Installing almost any distro is something any idiot could do. |
| 23:24.38 | umarzuki | i got a problem installing debian because i'm using sata dvd-ram |
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| 23:25.27 | shinji | Dones anyone know a good tutorial for a Homemailserver with IMAP support? at best in german language but english iss also fine there are so much tutorials out there but which one is good? |
| 23:25.31 | umarzuki | anyone ever done it with P4M* mobo (MSI) |
| 23:25.31 | groove | hi, i'm trying to build a package that requires both libgd-xpm and libgd-noxpm, but they can't seem to be installed together, is there a way to do it or do i just have to force it? |
| 23:26.12 | abrotman | groove: how could it require both ? |
| 23:26.34 | groove | abrotman: i don't know, but apt-cache showpkg lists them both |
| 23:26.38 | stew | groove: there isn't a way to force it (besides repackaging both libs). but why do you need libgd-noxpm? |
| 23:26.42 | groove | libgd2-noxpm (18 2.0.33) libgd2-xpm (2 2.0.33) |
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| 23:27.01 | abrotman | groove: what are you packaging? |
| 23:27.08 | groove | abrotman: nagios2 |
| 23:27.14 | abrotman | it's been packaged |
| 23:27.15 | themill | groove: apt-cache showpkg what? |
| 23:27.26 | groove | hang on i'll put it in a pastebin |
| 23:27.47 | stew | !depends nagios2 stable |
| 23:27.56 | abrotman | did he mean nagios3 ? |
| 23:27.58 | groove | http://pastebin.com/d3c72979c |
| 23:28.07 | groove | there is no package for nagios 2.12, only 2.6 |
| 23:28.09 | dpkg | nagios2: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libgd2-noxpm (>= 2.0.33) | libgd2-xpm (>= 2.0.33), libjpeg62, libperl5.8 (>= 5.8.8), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), nagios2-common (= 2.6-2+etch1), perl |
| 23:28.23 | stew | groove: its an either or dependency. it depends on having EITHER libgd2-noxpm OR libgd2-xpm, not both |
| 23:28.26 | abrotman | groove: there is a nagios3 backport for etch |
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| 23:28.36 | groove | i can't upgrade to nagios 3 yet |
| 23:28.46 | groove | anyway that is immaterial |
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| 23:29.14 | merie | nn |
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| 23:29.33 | groove | because i built the new package against libgd2-xpm and the old one seems to say both, apt-get holds back the upgrade |
| 23:29.45 | stew | groove: it doesn't say both, it says either |
| 23:29.54 | stew | groove: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 23:30.13 | Agiofws | hey |
| 23:30.16 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws/pfhoe-pro# dpkg -r pfhoe-pro_2.1r1-2_i386.deb |
| 23:30.16 | Agiofws | dpkg: you must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in |
| 23:30.16 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 23:30.22 | stew | groove: the upgrade is kept back becuase it requires a new package to be installed, which upgrade doesn't allow |
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| 23:30.37 | stew | hah |
| 23:30.40 | Agiofws | how can i find out the name ? |
| 23:30.48 | stew | Agiofws: everything up to the _ |
| 23:30.50 | groove | stew: which new package though? |
| 23:30.53 | Agiofws | ok |
| 23:30.58 | stew | groove: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 23:31.11 | stew | Agiofws: (but not including the _) |
| 23:31.17 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws/pfhoe-pro# dpkg -r pfhoe-pro_2.1r1-2 |
| 23:31.17 | Agiofws | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove pfhoe-pro_2.1r1-2 which isn't installed. |
| 23:31.18 | dpkg | Agiofws: You are moron #2 |
| 23:31.44 | stew | Agiofws: the first _ |
| 23:31.50 | groove | ok, so i built nagios2 against libgd2-xpm whereas the machine has libgd2-noxpm |
| 23:32.08 | groove | still there must be some error in the package building since the OR requirement disappeared |
| 23:32.10 | groove | thanks |
| 23:32.13 | Agiofws | stew, you are cleverer than dpkg |
| 23:32.34 | stew | groove: why didn't you just re-use the debian packaging? |
| 23:33.00 | groove | stew: i did |
| 23:33.33 | groove | grabbed the nagios2-2.6 source, chucked in the 2.12 source, fixed the patches and edited the changelog |
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| 23:33.41 | nachos | hey |
| 23:33.52 | Snadder | Is it possible to set up KeyChain.. so it uses the same password as your logging in with? |
| 23:33.57 | nachos | where is the config file for ntpdate when my etch system boots? |
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| 23:34.27 | dto | hi. |
| 23:35.31 | dto | i am trying to install the lenny beta 2 netinst cd on an Acer Extensa 4420-5963 laptop. It hangs on boot after only three or so messages, getting similar stuff to the beginning of the bug report on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/252041 |
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| 23:36.59 | dto | on that thread it seems a newer kernel helped, so I'm downloading one of the daily built images (it says on the debian site that it's a good thing to try if you have hardware issues) |
| 23:37.14 | Agiofws | can anyone help me here |
| 23:37.16 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws/pfhoe-pro# pfhoe-pro |
| 23:37.16 | Agiofws | /var/thepixelfarm/pfhoe-pro/bin/pfhoe-pro: error while loading shared libraries: libtiff.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 23:37.24 | dmoerner | Agiofws: install that library |
| 23:38.15 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/26141 |
| 23:38.15 | Agiofws | dmoerner, ^^ |
| 23:38.45 | abrotman | Agiofws: which version of debian ? |
| 23:38.50 | Agiofws | lenny |
| 23:39.01 | abrotman | !find libtiff.so.3 lenny |
| 23:39.14 | stew | Agiofws: you'll need a version of that program that uses libtiff4 instead |
| 23:40.00 | Agiofws | this version is closed source , its even an evaluation demo version or what ever |
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| 23:40.28 | Agiofws | so it wont work in debian then ? |
| 23:40.51 | Agiofws | do i have to downgrade ? |
| 23:40.52 | dmoerner | considering it is only distributed in rpm form, you might try it on a platform they claim to support |
| 23:40.54 | Agiofws | or something ? |
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| 23:43.26 | stew | Agiofws: you can't downgrade to a version of debian with that library |
| 23:44.25 | Agiofws | stew, cool then |
| 23:44.36 | Agiofws | i'm pawned nicely libtiff-opengl |
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| 23:45.28 | Agiofws | stew, do dmg files work on linux ? |
| 23:45.33 | Agiofws | on debian ? |
| 23:45.41 | Agiofws | what kind of files are dmg files |
| 23:46.01 | dmoerner | i think those are self-extracting archives for mac os x, but i may be wrong |
| 23:47.15 | stew | Agiofws: i have no idea what that is |
| 23:47.55 | lem0n | how would you move a file with a - in it? |
| 23:47.59 | lem0n | \- and ' and " dont work |
| 23:48.22 | adama_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:48.36 | lem0n | yes |
| 23:48.56 | ttick | so, when I plug in my docking station, how do I get my DVD device to show up on /dev/dvd ? |
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| 23:49.16 | dto | hi folks. i am attempting to install the latest daily build of lenny's netinst on an Acer Extensa 4420-5963 laptop. right after Booting the Kernel, I get only one log message and it hangs: [ 0.120007] ..MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC |
| 23:49.18 | adama_ | lem0n: rm ./-blah |
| 23:49.37 | dmoerner | dto: did you try booting with "noapic" on the kernel line? |
| 23:49.41 | lem0n | yah |
| 23:49.44 | dto | dmoerner: i'll try that. |
| 23:49.46 | ttick | w/o rebooting, of course |
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| 23:49.54 | ChocoTaco | Is there a dpkg command that will print out only a space separated list of installed packages (i.e. a list I could just copy and paste into an apt-get command on an identical machine to make sure all packages from box A are installed on box B)? |
| 23:50.18 | lem0n | hehe duh, dont know why i didnt use ./ |
| 23:50.41 | adama_ | ChocoTaco: yes. something like dpkg -l |grep '^i' |
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| 23:51.35 | ChocoTaco | adama_: I saw that one, but it also prints out additional version and status info |
| 23:51.52 | dto | dmoerner: i hit esc in the installer and got a " boot:" prompt. what should i type |
| 23:52.04 | abrotman | ChocoTaco: dpkg --get-selections .. and use some sed/awk magic |
| 23:52.30 | ChocoTaco | abrotman: I think I can work with that, thanks |
| 23:52.52 | dmoerner | ChocoTaco: dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' | xargs |
| 23:53.04 | dmoerner | dto: linux noacpi |
| 23:53.13 | dmoerner | dto: linux noapic i mean. sorry. |
| 23:53.21 | ChocoTaco | dmoerner: wow, perfect. Thanks for saving me the effort :P |
| 23:53.28 | dto | could not find kernel image: linux |
| 23:53.28 | adama_ | ChocoTaco: you can also use something like: dpkg --get-selections > packages , then on the other comp. dpkg --set-selections < packages (same file) |
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| 23:53.48 | dmoerner | dto: the installer cd should let you hit F1 or something to get a help menu |
| 23:53.52 | ttick | okay, I'll try again: my laptop doesn't ahve a dvd drive. But my docking station does. If I hotplug my laptop into my dockingstation, how do I get Linux to re-create /dev/dvd etc? It seems to acknowledge it a little (mplayer dvd://1 spins up the drive) but in the end claims the device (/dev/dvd) doesn't exist. Any suggestions (aside from rebooting?) |
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| 23:54.06 | dustybin | what other gnu operating systems out there are there apart from linux? |
| 23:54.16 | adama_ | ChocoTaco: then apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 23:54.17 | dmoerner | ttick: create a set of udev rules for it |
| 23:54.17 | dto | dmoerner: nothing says "kernel boot options" |
| 23:54.21 | dto | or anything |
| 23:54.24 | dto | what about boot parameters? |
| 23:54.27 | hikenboot | hello all anyone know what version of debian is best as a starting point as a build system for LFS? |
| 23:54.29 | abrotman | dustybin: gnu.org should mention some |
| 23:54.36 | dustybin | checks |
| 23:54.37 | dmoerner | dto: you just need to know the name of the kernel image and then append noapic to that |
| 23:54.58 | dto | dmoerner: oh, it's "install noapic" |
| 23:55.02 | ttick | dmoerner: okay, udev is the program that might do that? gotcha. Was hoping for a quicker solution (wife wants to watch something now lol) |
| 23:55.30 | erast | anyone interested in porting their .deb packages to OpenSolaris/Nexenta ? |
| 23:55.38 | dustybin | nice site: http://directory.fsf.org/ |
| 23:55.40 | erast | we have bunch of SSH dev. accounts to ZFS zones on gnusolaris.org |
| 23:55.46 | dto | dmoerner: it hangs anyway, this time not even printing any messages after booting kernel |
| 23:56.11 | abrotman | erast: this is a support channel |
| 23:56.33 | erast | what is the dev channel ? |
| 23:56.44 | dto | dmoerner: thank you :) it is booting at least into the installer. now, the original problem was that the older install discs didn't recognize any NIC hardware in this thing. so i will probably come back in a moment with more questions. |
| 23:56.50 | dto | dmoerner: thank you for your help ! |
| 23:57.22 | abrotman | erast: you'd probably do better to email debian-devel mailing list .. if they don't kill you |
| 23:57.39 | dto | dmoerner: works :) |
| 23:57.47 | erast | i'd like to be killed :-) |
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