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| 00:14.42 | Freeaqingme | Whenever a user logs in through ssh, I want to have a serverside script run as root, to check certain stuff, and prepare an environment. Is there a way to do this? |
| 00:15.00 | n-iCe | hi |
| 00:15.14 | Lagbolt | hi |
| 00:15.33 | n-iCe | is there anyway to change the window selecter? ( the one you press alt + tab ) |
| 00:15.50 | n-iCe | window selector* |
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| 00:16.21 | Lagbolt | n-iCe, depends on your window manager |
| 00:16.25 | Lagbolt | what are you using? |
| 00:16.44 | n-iCe | That's the thing, no idea, the default one. |
| 00:16.56 | n-iCe | I am on lenny |
| 00:17.27 | n-iCe | gnome |
| 00:18.39 | abrotman | Freeaqingme: does it have to run as root? |
| 00:18.58 | abrotman | Freeaqingme: i'd guess you could put stuff in /etc/profile that gets run when they login |
| 00:19.02 | Freeaqingme | abrotman, yes, it does. Because I want to do some bind mounts etc |
| 00:19.04 | abrotman | there are ways to skip that though |
| 00:19.44 | Freeaqingme | there's no way to accomplish what I want then? |
| 00:20.02 | Freeaqingme | Because I would have expected some functionality to have post-login-scripts etc... |
| 00:20.35 | kgoetz | wouldnt you use pam for that? |
| 00:20.43 | kgoetz | (to run scripts and stuff when tehy login) |
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| 00:21.11 | Freeaqingme | kgoetz, that's a great idea. Got any url on that? |
| 00:22.55 | kgoetz | Freeaqingme: no, sorry i dont. |
| 00:23.05 | kgoetz | nothing useful anyway |
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| 00:32.43 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 00:32.43 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
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| 00:33.04 | dto | hi. with the latest daily build of the lenny netinst cd, installation succeeds when given noapic+nolapic as boot options, however booting the system after installation fails. |
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| 00:33.37 | dto | it's kernel 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 00:33.50 | dto | on an Acer Extensa 4420-5963 |
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| 00:34.15 | abrotman | edit the boot line from grub .. then once it boots .. you can change it permantnelty |
| 00:34.38 | dto | abrotman: but it is already trying to boot with noapic and nolapic |
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| 00:34.54 | dto | the options are root=/dev/sda1 ro noapic nolapic quiet |
| 00:35.02 | dto | Decompressing Linux... Parsing ELF... done |
| 00:35.05 | dto | Booting the kernel. |
| 00:35.08 | dto | ... then nothing. |
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| 00:35.23 | abrotman | i have a machine that pauses there for about a minute .. then continutes |
| 00:35.32 | hikenboot | if LFS requires a specific version of bash or other files how would I take etch and change the versions back to older ones? |
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| 00:35.54 | abrotman | and it's usually noapic acpi=off |
| 00:35.56 | abrotman | IIRC |
| 00:36.03 | dto | i'll try that |
| 00:37.09 | dto | some pnpbios errors but it seems to boot |
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| 00:37.50 | raz | hum. how would i resize an ext2 filesystem that lives in a file (mounted via loopback)? |
| 00:38.56 | amphi | raz: I'd just make a new file ;) |
| 00:39.15 | raz | yea but i want to keep all my data ;) |
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| 00:39.30 | intr80__ | raz: copy the data, resizing a filesystem is a recipe for disaster |
| 00:39.32 | raz | and i think enlargening should be faster than copying it all over |
| 00:39.33 | dto | abrotman: should i use pnpbios=off |
| 00:39.41 | abrotman | no idea .. never used that one |
| 00:39.47 | raz | hmm ok |
| 00:39.54 | abrotman | raz: make a new file .. then copy the data to the new file |
| 00:40.07 | abrotman | amphi: you'd probably just spork the data over eh? |
| 00:43.15 | raz | i only hope tar will preserve all magic files in /dev etc. (it's an OS image) |
| 00:44.10 | intr80__ | raz: 'cp -a $src $dst' |
| 00:44.32 | intr80__ | tar will likely do the wrong thing. |
| 00:44.36 | raz | ehm |
| 00:44.45 | raz | cp -a deals with device nodes properly? doubt so |
| 00:44.53 | intr80__ | man cp |
| 00:44.54 | abrotman | why are you copying device nodes? |
| 00:45.01 | kgoetz | cant you let udev remake device nodes? |
| 00:45.02 | abrotman | udev recreates them at boot time |
| 00:45.04 | raz | abrotman, because it's an OS image |
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| 00:45.06 | simonrvn | ignorance |
| 00:45.07 | intr80__ | he wants to copy a system partition |
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| 00:45.24 | amphi | abrotman: indeed ;) |
| 00:45.27 | intr80__ | the kernel often needs a few /dev/ nodes even before udev starts, to open the console for example |
| 00:45.37 | intr80__ | have you guys never copied a root partition before? |
| 00:45.45 | raz | and i'm not using udev, it's a server image :) |
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| 00:46.05 | simonrvn | intr80__: more times than i can count... |
| 00:46.18 | raz | i have done it before, too. just never feel good about it. |
| 00:47.24 | raz | hmm it boots |
| 00:47.26 | raz | looking good :) |
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| 00:49.16 | simonrvn | boots raz |
| 00:49.21 | simonrvn | :P |
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| 01:03.12 | raz | hum what's missing when a ./configure complains about "libtoolize 1.5.x wasn't found" |
| 01:03.33 | stew | raz: libtool |
| 01:03.59 | raz | ah *smack* |
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| 01:09.18 | Throat | simonrvn, how far _can_ you count? |
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| 01:15.57 | Throat | 's a bit like saying if I had a penny for every time I copied a system disk I'd have... uh, $2.74 |
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| 01:20.00 | simonrvn | Throat: it's just a expression. i haven't counted. |
| 01:21.50 | Throat | I just mean.. I could personally count to fairly high numbers |
| 01:21.52 | Throat | :-P |
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| 01:23.33 | w1e3 | what time lenny? |
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| 01:26.01 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 01:26.01 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 01:27.09 | geek | SIYH? |
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| 01:28.00 | abrotman | sooner if you help |
| 01:28.03 | Kovensky | dpkg: tell geek about siyh |
| 01:28.46 | elik | Anyone here with an iPod Touch that know how to sync with linux (Amarok, preferably). Been following a few tutorials about sshfs and some fusermount and stuff, but the iPod seem to have changes since. I have a JailBroke 2.0.2 firmware on it. I ask here because Ubuntu has a fancy package with ipod-mount/umount and wondered if there was a Debian equivalent or something |
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| 01:29.23 | endra | hey |
| 01:29.33 | endra | how do I setup eclipse 3.4 on debian? All that is offered is eclipse 3.2 |
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| 01:29.46 | geek | ahh |
| 01:30.12 | geek | elik: i think ubuntu uses libgpod for that |
| 01:30.29 | elik | geek, hum, yeah, libgpod is available on debian as well |
| 01:30.32 | wols | endra: there is no .deb |
| 01:30.37 | Throat | er |
| 01:30.52 | endra | wols: what would you recommend I do to get it? |
| 01:30.57 | Throat | the graph with the release critical bugs... looks like its maxing around 2008 |
| 01:31.20 | geek | elik: well, thts your answer. ;p |
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| 01:31.42 | Throat | in the 2nd half of 2008, tht is |
| 01:31.48 | alibabalikumi | everytime when I want to access the Joomla installation webpage I can only donload the php files, but no installation takes part. What can I do ? |
| 01:31.50 | abrotman | you mean .. like now? |
| 01:32.00 | abrotman | !php wants to download |
| 01:32.03 | abrotman | !php wants to download still |
| 01:32.05 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 01:32.23 | abrotman | !php wants me to download still |
| 01:32.23 | dpkg | Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verified that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload (Apache 1.x). |
| 01:32.40 | elik | geek, usage: ipod-read-sysinfo-extended <device> <mountpoint> |
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| 01:32.55 | elik | geek, does that mean anything to you? |
| 01:35.12 | elik | geek, cause when I mount it... I get a camera device dialog... and dmesg won't show any /dev attachment... there is just one thing that bug me: configuration #1 chosen from 3 choices |
| 01:35.46 | geek | elik: sadly after a issue with album images, i don't use my ipod with linux |
| 01:36.45 | elik | geek, I don't know if that could help in any way... but that's in the instructions I was following: In the "Pre-connect command" box, type "sshfs -o workaround=rename root@ipod.ip.addres.here:/var/root/Media /mnt/ipod" ("workaround=rename" fixes issues with album art). |
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| 01:37.26 | elik | geek, what was the issue exactly? |
| 01:37.27 | geek | elik: fraid not. my debian boxen are mostly servers ;p |
| 01:38.25 | elik | Anybody know what "configuration #1 chosen from 3 choices" could mean in dmesg? |
| 01:39.16 | kenjy | hi guys I can't uninstall the package called nginx, apt shows error code (1) http://rafb.net/p/mqO3dL76.html can you help me? |
| 01:40.28 | abrotman | start it .. then remove it |
| 01:41.39 | Throat | that's pretty ridiculous |
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| 01:42.37 | geek | elik: it mixed up most of the album images with thumbnails from the vids |
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| 01:43.37 | abrotman | Throat: file a bug |
| 01:43.53 | w1e3 | lenny what bug now? |
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| 01:44.19 | abrotman | w1e3: english |
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| 01:44.52 | w1e3 | what bug in lenny now? |
| 01:44.57 | Throat | abrotman, he should.. never used that package, probably never will |
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| 01:45.12 | abrotman | w1e3: you need to ask a question .. that's not even english |
| 01:45.16 | abrotman | Throat: then quit complaining |
| 01:45.57 | Throat | was just thinking aloud |
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| 01:47.16 | elik | abrotman, is on fire tonight :) |
| 01:48.14 | Throat | big smoker, eh? |
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| 01:49.16 | joaop | hi, what's generally used to connect to wireless networks? |
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| 01:49.27 | abrotman | depends on how well you can read |
| 01:49.55 | elik | joaop, iwtools |
| 01:50.48 | elik | joaop, wireless-tools, sry |
| 01:50.58 | elik | joaop, and then you will have iwconfig, iwlist and the like |
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| 01:51.15 | joaop | elik, it's command line? |
| 01:51.24 | elik | joaop, yes |
| 01:51.24 | Throat | yes |
| 01:51.31 | |Slurpee| | where is the file where I can set each users default shell type. disable ftp access. disableed ssh access etc ? |
| 01:51.49 | kenjy | no help? |
| 01:51.51 | kenjy | hi guys I can't uninstall the package called nginx, apt shows error code (1) http://rafb.net/p/mqO3dL76.html can you help me? |
| 01:52.00 | Throat | elik, normally you set it up in /etc/network/interfaces togehter with the lans, though |
| 01:52.27 | elik | Throat, depends on how often you move your computer, for a laptop for instance |
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| 01:52.37 | Throat | |Slurpee|, /etc/password for the shell... probably /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny for ftp |
| 01:52.48 | elik | \amethyst, /etc/passwd |
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| 01:52.58 | elik | |Slurpee|, ^ |
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| 01:53.16 | elik | I'm sure \amethyst knows all that already |
| 01:53.32 | Throat | elik, yes? you mean if you never reboot the laptop and never move it you don't need an interfaces file? |
| 01:53.51 | Throat | kenjy, you were answered |
| 01:54.07 | |Slurpee| | k than |
| 01:54.10 | elik | Anyone know how to use alternate configurations when dmesg tell you "configuration #1 chosen from 3 choices" |
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| 01:54.27 | w1e3 | #join #debian-cn |
| 01:54.32 | elik | Throat, no, I mean that if you move all the time, a interface file configuring you network is probably not very useful |
| 01:54.38 | elik | type /join |
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| 01:55.33 | kenjy | Throat: where |
| 01:55.35 | Throat | elik, on contraire, mon ami - it is. You can have a general entry that connects to any unprotected wireless networks |
| 01:55.59 | Throat | there: <abrotman> start it .. then remove it |
| 01:56.21 | elik | Throat, J'aime beaucoup le française |
| 01:56.39 | Throat | elik, I don't :) I'm just tired and am getting weird |
| 01:56.40 | pseubodot | le français |
| 01:56.49 | elik | ah ouain? pour vrai? ;) |
| 01:57.06 | Throat | hehe |
| 01:57.16 | Throat | ca va! (end of french vocabulary) |
| 01:57.36 | pseubodot | hai, so des ne! |
| 01:57.44 | kenjy | abrotman: It don't works |
| 01:57.55 | abrotman | what is it? |
| 01:57.56 | pseubodot | neither does abrotman some days. :) |
| 01:58.00 | pseubodot | runs! |
| 01:58.05 | abrotman | dpkg: eat pete |
| 01:58.05 | dpkg | eats pete, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* |
| 01:58.25 | Throat | now now, poor pete, what did HE do... |
| 01:58.30 | abrotman | !iapf |
| 01:58.31 | dpkg | iapf is, like, It's All Pete's Fault(http://www.itsallpetesfault.org) |
| 01:58.44 | Throat | i resent that |
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| 01:58.51 | abrotman | no one cares |
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| 01:58.55 | kenjy | abrotman: I started it but I can't uninstall it |
| 01:59.12 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/nginx status .. says what? |
| 01:59.29 | kenjy | abrotman: root@gribus:~/chkrootkit-0.48# /etc/init.d/nginx status |
| 01:59.29 | kenjy | Usage: /etc/init.d/nginx {start|stop|restart|force-reload} |
| 01:59.38 | pseubodot | Throat: I resemble it, actually |
| 01:59.38 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:59.44 | Throat | hehe |
| 01:59.46 | abrotman | kenjy: make sure it's running... |
| 01:59.52 | Throat | no cigar |
| 01:59.59 | pseubodot | you can blame me for things, so long as (a) it's amusing, and (b) put on the web site. |
| 02:00.10 | pseubodot | I don't normally accept blame in person |
| 02:00.14 | pseubodot | and besides, |
| 02:00.24 | kenjy | abrotman: it is running |
| 02:00.27 | pseubodot | "Canada has already apologized for abrotman" |
| 02:00.34 | abrotman | kenjy: then paste the output of the remove/purge again |
| 02:00.46 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:00.52 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 02:00.52 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 02:01.02 | kenjy | abrotman: its the same |
| 02:01.10 | netdaemon | looks at the international bridge >_> |
| 02:01.11 | pseubodot | !sing blame abrotman |
| 02:01.18 | pseubodot | well, so much for that idea. |
| 02:01.34 | abrotman | kenjy: then comment out the stop in the /var/lib/dpkg/info/nginx.prerm |
| 02:01.42 | Throat | !blame abrotman |
| 02:01.42 | dpkg | blames Bracki and abrotman for all the evil in the world |
| 02:01.48 | kenjy | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/vGngeN47.htmlhttp://rafb.net/p/vGngeN47.html |
| 02:01.50 | kenjy | http://rafb.net/p/vGngeN47.html |
| 02:01.50 | Throat | dunno what you want |
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| 02:04.22 | Throat | you could try "echo 0 >/etc/init.d/nginx" or somesuch, I guess (if nginx is really the name of the script)... or edit the wossname prerm(?) and remove that line from it |
| 02:05.12 | kenjy | abrotman: so? |
| 02:05.19 | abrotman | remove it again |
| 02:05.32 | Throat | oh, it's indeed nice |
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| 02:05.54 | Throat | dpkg error; Starting nginx: invoke-rc.d: initscript nginx, action "start" failed. |
| 02:05.54 | dpkg | Throat: You are moron #3 |
| 02:06.02 | Throat | dpkg, shut up |
| 02:06.02 | pickcoder | heh |
| 02:06.02 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 02:06.29 | Throat | you're making friends like no tomorrow today, dpkg |
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| 02:08.22 | pickcoder | shouldn't that be shiny metal output? |
| 02:08.35 | binrapt | Hmm I apt-got apache2 with php5 and all, .htaccess/.htpasswd are forbidden to access but the htaccess doesn't do anything, I can suddenly access all the stuff that used to be protected |
| 02:08.43 | binrapt | I'm only familiar with the old apache hmm |
| 02:08.47 | Throat | kenjy, echo "exit 0" >/etc/init.d/nginx ; apt-get remove nginx |
| 02:08.55 | Throat | kenjy, and stop the damn thing before you do that |
| 02:08.56 | binrapt | Is there some handy fix for this? |
| 02:09.16 | binrapt | LoadModule is spread over lots of files now eh? |
| 02:09.40 | Throat | I think both starting and stopping might fail because I already have apache running(?) - just an idle thought |
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| 02:10.00 | abrotman | they should conflict |
| 02:10.00 | binrapt | mods-enabled/auth_basic.load:LoadModule auth_basic_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_auth_basic.so |
| 02:10.05 | binrapt | Should be enabled, no? Hm |
| 02:10.08 | abrotman | and if he comments out hte line .. shouldn't matter |
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| 02:10.43 | elik | anybody know how to use alternate config choices for usb when you get "configuration #1 chosen from 3 choices" in dmesg |
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| 02:10.51 | binrapt | Oh AllowOverride None |
| 02:10.52 | binrapt | :[ |
| 02:10.59 | Throat | abrotman, they don't and I'm not sure that they should there might be some weird reasons wanting to have both |
| 02:11.01 | binrapt | Why did they change that? Hm |
| 02:11.11 | Throat | (although I can't come up with one right now) |
| 02:11.14 | pickcoder | binrapt: you're a while behind if you're still using 1.3 |
| 02:11.21 | binrapt | I know :p |
| 02:11.24 | pickcoder | stop by apache.org and review the docs |
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| 02:11.29 | Throat | binrapt, hehe, glad we could help *g* |
| 02:11.50 | binrapt | The infamous "Getting help from IRC by public monologue" |
| 02:11.51 | pickcoder | a2enmod a2dismod a2ensite and a2dissite are valuable scripts |
| 02:12.03 | binrapt | Ah a2enmod sounds good |
| 02:12.16 | Throat | elik, figure out what program wrote that... I don't think asking even more often will help |
| 02:12.24 | pickcoder | vhosts are normally in different config files so you can enable/disable without having to hack up a config |
| 02:12.34 | pickcoder | there is a default layout link in #apache |
| 02:12.50 | pickcoder | the bot trigger is !default IIRC |
| 02:12.57 | Throat | binrapt, exactly... works every time, doesn't it? |
| 02:12.58 | pickcoder | or something similar |
| 02:13.18 | pickcoder | don't forget to fix the virtualhost * bug |
| 02:13.23 | elik | Throat, sometimes ppl just don't pick it up |
| 02:13.23 | pickcoder | it should be *:80 |
| 02:13.31 | PeterFA | Can people tell me if the download button on the right of joomla.org appears when Iceweasel 3.0.1 is used? |
| 02:13.35 | elik | I think it comes from udev |
| 02:13.45 | pickcoder | I _hope_ it's fixed in Lenny |
| 02:13.46 | binrapt | Yeah but I still haven't made it work anyways lol |
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| 02:15.32 | Throat | that gets my vote for weirdst question this evening so far |
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| 02:16.08 | PeterFA | Throat, mine? |
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| 02:16.14 | Throat | yeah :) |
| 02:16.16 | abrotman | PeterFA: yes |
| 02:16.22 | PeterFA | Throat, it won't load in my browser, I'm not kidding! |
| 02:16.52 | PeterFA | The HTML loads fine, but that one image won't load. |
| 02:17.06 | PeterFA | So I can look at the HTML, see the reference and see that the page simply didn't load it. |
| 02:17.27 | abrotman | can you load the image manually? |
| 02:17.27 | pickcoder | PeterFA: can you load it manually? |
| 02:17.30 | pickcoder | meh |
| 02:17.33 | Throat | indeed |
| 02:17.47 | abrotman | jinx .. you owe me .. one of your twins |
| 02:17.51 | PeterFA | pickcoder, yes... the image is: /templates/joomla08/images/joomla_download_banner.png |
| 02:17.54 | PeterFA | It loads fine. |
| 02:18.02 | PeterFA | I mean, when I point directly too it but it won't load in the page. |
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| 02:18.24 | abrotman | PeterFA: hit shift-reload |
| 02:18.39 | PeterFA | Still, no! |
| 02:18.48 | abrotman | who cares? |
| 02:18.58 | Throat | PeterFA, I see what you mean, doesn't appear for me either |
| 02:19.08 | abrotman | works for me .. you're all crazy |
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| 02:19.19 | pickcoder | abrotman: I'll send one when they're rebellious teens |
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| 02:19.33 | PeterFA | Throat, good, I thought I was just losing my feeble mind. |
| 02:19.41 | abrotman | bah .. the meat will be all tough and chewy by then! |
| 02:19.51 | PeterFA | brb, pancakes. |
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| 02:20.28 | Throat | PeterFA, actually, when I reload the "Community blogs" and the entry below flicker - I think they get thrown on top of it |
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| 02:23.04 | binrapt | "Forbidden" |
| 02:23.05 | binrapt | Hooray |
| 02:23.12 | binrapt | didn't know about the sites directories until now |
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| 02:23.35 | binrapt | So why exactly did they decide to AllowOverride None EVERYTHING? |
| 02:23.38 | binrapt | By default |
| 02:23.43 | binrapt | Isn't this counter productive? |
| 02:24.14 | pickcoder | it's relative or absolute depending on your vhost and server config |
| 02:24.24 | pickcoder | #apache is probably a better place for specific details |
| 02:24.43 | Throat | binrapt, security, I think |
| 02:24.46 | pickcoder | (which has a bot link to the default layout I mentioned earilier) |
| 02:25.29 | Throat | binrapt, .htaccess could grant rights that are forbidden by the general config... |
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| 02:34.03 | Blast_Hardcheese | I have an 82801i, Intel HDA onboard |
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| 02:34.23 | Blast_Hardcheese | I don't think I have Alsa correctly set up to use the card, |
| 02:34.31 | Blast_Hardcheese | any tips for HD Audio with Alsa? |
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| 02:34.48 | Blast_Hardcheese | (I don't care if it's non-HD, I only have crap speakers attached anyway) |
| 02:34.55 | Blast_Hardcheese | I just ned sound |
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| 02:37.19 | amphi | I have 828091H here, and it works fine with snd_hda_intel |
| 02:38.11 | Throat | how about you try to load the module... |
| 02:38.55 | amphi | er, 82801H |
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| 02:39.42 | stew | Blast_Hardcheese: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 02:43.11 | Lord^Anubis | quick question.. installed kubuntu on a computer with a couple of fat32 partitions on it as well, how do i get these fat32 partitions to show up in system:/media in konqueror, with user write access? |
| 02:44.10 | abrotman | Lord^Anubis: ask #kubuntu |
| 02:46.25 | LadyNikon | wonders why you would even ask that in a debian channel |
| 02:47.33 | netdaemon | *cough*fstab*cough* |
| 02:48.12 | abrotman | netdaemon: you can go to #kubuntu with him |
| 02:48.20 | netdaemon | noooez |
| 02:48.26 | netdaemon | evil thing |
| 02:48.30 | Blast_Hardcheese | stew: 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 02:49.05 | Blast_Hardcheese | I've gotten some of the problems fixed, |
| 02:49.11 | n3kl | qt4 made it into lenny? |
| 02:49.11 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'm now in the audio group |
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| 02:49.15 | micols | which password manager can you recommend, i should preferably have rsa256 or the like ? |
| 02:49.19 | micols | except pwman3, i got problems with it since i upgraded my python libs |
| 02:49.44 | Blast_Hardcheese | Anyway, I can use alsamixer and aplay -l lists my soundcard but no audio |
| 02:50.02 | stew | Blast_Hardcheese: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 02:51.16 | netdaemon | n3kl, yes |
| 02:51.57 | n3kl | strange |
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| 02:53.23 | elik | stew, would you happen to know what "configuration #1 chosen from 3 choices" means |
| 02:53.50 | elik | stew, in dmesg |
| 02:53.54 | htmlol | hmm. this has never happened before |
| 02:54.34 | htmlol | I'm watching a video in kaffeine, and suddenly at the same point every time, it says "Rebuilding Index...[percentage]%" and then the video closes after a few seconds |
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| 02:57.22 | amphi | htmlol: is it an avi? |
| 02:57.37 | htmlol | yes. |
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| 02:57.59 | htmlol | restoring index, too |
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| 02:58.47 | htmlol | it just does that, then immediately stops playing and skips to the next video |
| 02:58.56 | amphi | you might be able to do something with aviindex |
| 02:59.04 | htmlol | I was thinking of that |
| 02:59.11 | htmlol | oh, aviindex? |
| 02:59.15 | htmlol | thought you said avidemux |
| 02:59.19 | htmlol | what's aviindex? |
| 02:59.24 | stew | elik: definately not without more context |
| 02:59.53 | amphi | htmlol: or try mplayer -forceidx perhaps |
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| 03:00.50 | elik | stew, just pluggin in my iPod touch in my computer, that's one of the messages I get in dmesg, along with serial numbers and the like |
| 03:01.08 | mythtv | hey folks when I run `xterm` I get an sh shell but I want bash. how can I change this? |
| 03:01.29 | htmlol | avidemux seems to be unable to open the file |
| 03:01.54 | htmlol | should I possibly...redownload? |
| 03:02.03 | rokra | mythtv: in your /etc/passwd change /bin/shell to /bin/bash |
| 03:02.11 | Somni | mythtv: change your shell, or give xterm a command to run |
| 03:02.25 | rokra | JazHambo: bin/sh to /bin/bash |
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| 03:03.43 | warchief_ryan | Which cd |
| 03:04.05 | warchief_ryan | which cd's do I need to install a base installation of debian? |
| 03:04.59 | JazHambo | rokra: do I then need to do something to make the change take effect? |
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| 03:05.35 | Irmin_ | hey noch wer wach? |
| 03:05.50 | prolix | warchief_ryan: just the first one |
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| 03:07.09 | prolix | warchief_ryan: small world |
| 03:07.29 | warchief_ryan | yay! I didn't want to get all those cd's |
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| 03:08.23 | warchief_ryan | prolix: small world? |
| 03:08.45 | prolix | small world indeed |
| 03:09.01 | warchief_ryan | i guess |
| 03:09.02 | geek | warchief_ryan: there's a basic cd with the bare minimum, for netinstalls as well |
| 03:09.05 | Leo | ig |
| 03:09.21 | geek | uses the DVD though ;p |
| 03:09.30 | prolix | warchief_ryan: i'm text.*@yahoo.com |
| 03:10.03 | warchief_ryan | oh, lol |
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| 03:12.40 | warchief_ryan | prolix: no more Linux:1? |
| 03:12.44 | smacnay | anyone using rdiff-backup over an ssh link and have a bunch of python errors? I am using the version in Deb testing. |
| 03:13.09 | prolix | warchief_ryan: too much bickering, posturing and not enough entertaining conversation or genuine want to assist/learn |
| 03:13.54 | warchief_ryan | true, I always come to irc if I want real help |
| 03:14.10 | prolix | these folks are exceptional |
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| 03:15.00 | warchief_ryan | out of 815 people theres bound to be some |
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| 03:15.20 | prolix | not necessarily. take a peek into #ubuntu |
| 03:15.30 | warchief_ryan | lol |
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| 03:16.19 | prolix | enough monopolization of space with personal convo. good luck with your install and welcome to debian |
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| 03:23.18 | hatta | what's the difference between the packages alsa-oss and oss-compat? |
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| 03:23.55 | Throat | use apt-cache show? |
| 03:25.03 | hatta | I see, thanks |
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| 03:29.58 | Sling | hm, i have too little space on my / to fit downloading all packages in apt-get upgrade |
| 03:30.08 | Sling | can i change the location of the apt cache to another partition somewhere? |
| 03:30.19 | Sling | with a symlink or something |
| 03:30.31 | Sling | or in a config file, preferrably |
| 03:30.33 | Throat | should sure be possible |
| 03:30.39 | Throat | the 1st :) |
| 03:30.42 | Throat | dunno about the latter |
| 03:31.00 | Sling | where is this cache by default? |
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| 03:31.20 | Sling | ah /var/cache/apt probably |
| 03:31.31 | Throat | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.34 | Throat | er yes :) |
| 03:31.46 | Throat | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.13 | Sling | ill just make a symlink for apt, saves another 15MB |
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| 03:32.21 | Sling | stupid 901 with 4GB system partition |
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| 03:32.25 | Throat | and you can probably add something to /etc/apt/apt.conf to change it |
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| 03:32.33 | Sling | i found only 1 setting there |
| 03:32.37 | Sling | cachelimit or something |
| 03:32.50 | Throat | amd you added that yourself most probably |
| 03:32.53 | Throat | I know I did |
| 03:33.11 | Throat | man apt.conf |
| 03:33.13 | Throat | ... |
| 03:33.19 | Throat | bla |
| 03:33.38 | Throat | that just points to man apt-cache |
| 03:33.38 | n3kl | Can you not use smartmon tools on an md raid? |
| 03:33.40 | Rusty1 | apt-get clean , if you haven't already, may clean up enough space to get by |
| 03:33.45 | hatta | open /dev/dsp failed, ret: -1, errno:16 |
| 03:33.48 | hatta | open /dev/dsp failed, ret: -1, errno:16 |
| 03:34.11 | hatta | oops, sorry |
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| 03:34.18 | Throat | Sling, oh yeah, I was going to say - everything in archives can go... |
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| 03:34.43 | Sling | just did the symlink, apt-get is not complaining yet |
| 03:34.45 | pickcoder | Sling: you can mount that dir from another parition just like any other folder |
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| 03:35.01 | pickcoder | s/folder/mount |
| 03:35.05 | cast | i'm a bit confused with dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, when sending email to that host it gets '550 relay not permitted (state 14). |
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| 03:36.03 | Throat | cast, you have to configure the hosts which are allowed to send email... else every spammer could send through your server |
| 03:36.04 | Sling | seems like its working, apt-get update running, df showing no increase on the / partition |
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| 03:36.15 | Sling | s/update/upgrade/ |
| 03:36.23 | cast | Throat: if i email from gmail to that host, i get that error |
| 03:36.53 | cast | Throat: so it's not receiving email correctly |
| 03:36.55 | n3kl | cast: you emailing from your home internet connection? |
| 03:37.13 | n3kl | cast: thats becuase you need to have you server authenticate to gmail before sending email |
| 03:37.13 | cast | n3kl: from gmail. |
| 03:37.20 | Throat | cast, that might just mean you didn't configure what host is "local" |
| 03:37.22 | cast | i have a server, running exim4. |
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| 03:38.22 | Throat | cast, perhaps qualify_domain and/or local_domains in /etc/exim/exim.conf |
| 03:39.05 | cast | well, ive set this up a few times without issue with exim4-config, i'd like to work out what i'm doing wrong with the dpkg-reconfigure there |
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| 03:40.05 | pickcoder | hostname and domain maybe? |
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| 03:40.56 | pickcoder | relay denial only happens if the destination is not local and the sender is not authorized to relay outside of the local domains |
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| 03:41.09 | Throat | this is a game, right? we gotta guess? |
| 03:41.33 | cast | in the exim4-config ive gone..."internet site, mail is sent and received directly using smtp", ive set the system mail name to myhost.net, the ip addresses to listen for incoming SMTP connections to blank, "Other destinations for which mail is accepted" have been set to myhost myhost.net, domains to relay mail for is set to blank, machines to relay mail for is set to blank, |
| 03:41.35 | kingsley | Is the correct way to upgrade flash to do 1.) "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" and 2.) "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install"? |
| 03:42.03 | kingsley | It's not working in iceweasel for me. |
| 03:42.14 | n3kl | kingsley: etch or lenny? |
| 03:42.36 | Amarande | dpkg, tell kingsley about adobe flash |
| 03:42.37 | kingsley | n3kl: Thanks for asking. I'm using the unstable distribution. |
| 03:43.01 | n3kl | ah |
| 03:43.02 | Amarande | I hate my video card. |
| 03:43.11 | n3kl | get a new one |
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| 03:44.33 | Amarande | n3kl, the problem is that it's actually a pretty good card |
| 03:44.46 | Amarande | I'm still getting hair-pulling issues with linux, though, and #ati is silent as a tomb |
| 03:45.40 | Amarande | Using the vesa driver in etch, I can log on and off without issue, but WoW (via Wine) runs with all the framerate of your typical power point slide show at a meeting, and switching users via Gnome/GDM causes screen corruption |
| 03:46.00 | otho | i have a slightly older ati card and no trouble with the free drivers. viva la $20 ebay video card! |
| 03:46.11 | Amarande | Using the fglrx driver, I can log in without issue, and WoW runs at an awesome framerate, but if I log out or attempt to switch users - system hard locks |
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| 03:46.23 | Amarande | This an issue that can be fixed with lenny? |
| 03:46.35 | Amarande | I doubt it though, since googling reveals a LOT of people having this particular issue :| |
| 03:46.55 | zinx | probably has something to do with ati's drivers.. are you using the latest catalyst drivers or the ones included with Debian? |
| 03:46.57 | otho | it is very possible that the Horde is causing your grief and not debian. |
| 03:47.32 | zinx | (ati's packages can generate debian packages, via --buildpkg Debian/lenny) |
| 03:47.44 | zinx | or install via --buildandinstallpkg, whatever |
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| 03:48.01 | Amarande | zinx, I'm not sure which version is included with debian, I tried using 8.8 from ATI's site |
| 03:48.11 | Amarande | and when that had crash issues, I tried 8.6, which also had the same crash issues |
| 03:48.25 | zinx | Amarande: yeah.. wait for amd/ati to fix it :x |
| 03:48.52 | Amarande | fglrx-driver provided with debian non-free is ancient |
| 03:49.00 | Amarande | doesn't even support 2 series, let alone 3 |
| 03:49.12 | zinx | yeah, was going to suggest you use the one from the site if you weren't already |
| 03:49.20 | Amarande | zinx: apparently that bug has existed for ages, and amd/ati still haven't fixed it |
| 03:49.30 | Amarande | I was seeing messages from 2005-2006 with the very same error in some threads I read |
| 03:49.46 | zinx | send them another report? :P |
| 03:49.48 | Amarande | some people blame an incompatibility between certain kernel versions and fglrx, but I'm not sure which kernels are ok |
| 03:49.59 | Amarande | let's just say, I fail at compiling kernels also |
| 03:50.22 | Amarande | I tried doing one before I left for work, was in a rush because I had to leave for work, and forgot to compile in support for either sata or ext3, apparently :) |
| 03:53.23 | Amarande | zinx: so the Radeon HD 3870 is just unusable with linux in a practical sense then? :S |
| 03:53.26 | zinx | Amarande: oops :D |
| 03:53.36 | Amarande | and given ati's apparent track record, never will be usable? |
| 03:53.39 | Sling | damn i think im screwing things up |
| 03:53.47 | pickcoder | Amarande: you can copy the config from /boot/ |
| 03:53.48 | zinx | Amarande: if you are having crashing problems.. it's apparently not usable, but apart from that i think the drivers support it fairly well. |
| 03:53.56 | Sling | i have a full rootfs, trying to move stuff to another partition but there is no change in the output of df |
| 03:53.57 | Amarande | (since by the time they actually manage to get the logout thing right, it'll probably be "requires 4850 minimum" or such LOL) |
| 03:54.24 | Sling | i now get errors when moving stuff from the full partition to the other one, saying no space left on device :/ |
| 03:54.31 | Amarande | zinx: yeah, the only other issue I had was a cosmetic one, where starting wine would cause the desktop to turn black |
| 03:54.38 | Sling | even though the target partition has only 6% used |
| 03:54.40 | zinx | Amarande: one thing - are you using kdm or gdm? |
| 03:54.43 | Amarande | logging out is kind of a major thing, though |
| 03:54.43 | Amarande | GDM |
| 03:54.52 | zinx | dunno :/ |
| 03:55.02 | Amarande | and I see #ati is still silent as a tomb |
| 03:55.04 | Amarande | I hope I don |
| 03:55.06 | otho | Amarande, you might try playing Battle for Wesnoth instead. it runs fine for me on a radeon 9800se with the "ati" server |
| 03:55.09 | Amarande | 't have to ask undernet #linux. :| |
| 03:55.15 | zinx | Amarande: if you really are annoyed by it, you can stop using a login manager, and just start via startx |
| 03:55.28 | zinx | Amarande: may cause it to stop crashing when you exit/restart X |
| 03:55.34 | Amarande | otho: WoW works fine under fglrx ... it's only logging out or trying to switch user that crashes |
| 03:55.37 | zinx | but you'll have to use text-based login. |
| 03:55.48 | Amarande | logging out of X, not WoW |
| 03:56.04 | Sling | cant even remove files anymore |
| 03:56.22 | Sling | rm: cannot remove `filehere`: No space left on device |
| 03:56.38 | Amarande | dammit *growls at debian policy* |
| 03:56.46 | Amarande | apparently XFree86 supposedly supports the 3800 series just fine |
| 03:56.52 | Amarande | but do we get XF86, no, we get xorg :| |
| 03:57.09 | zinx | hah |
| 03:57.13 | zinx | what distro still uses XF86 |
| 03:57.26 | zinx | x.org may support the 3800 series as well as xf86 anyway |
| 03:57.30 | Amarande | *shrug* I haven't used anything but debian in years |
| 03:57.32 | zinx | i doubt either have 3d accel. |
| 03:57.50 | Amarande | yeah, the vesa driver does support the 3800 series, except for the corruption issue when I try to use switch user |
| 03:58.13 | Amarande | and for the fact that there's no 3D accel, so 3D stuff runs at a framerate resembling a slide show :) |
| 03:58.15 | zinx | was refering to the 'radeonhd' driver |
| 03:58.16 | pickcoder | the ati x-server doesn't work with it? |
| 03:58.31 | zinx | which afaik does not have 3d accel for the 3800 series. |
| 03:58.35 | Amarande | pickcoder: I tried setting the driver to "radeon" and X refused to start |
| 03:58.52 | Amarande | is the radeonhd driver in etch, or do I need to get lenny? |
| 03:59.04 | zinx | i.. do not know |
| 03:59.12 | Rusty1 | Sling umount and fsck the partition |
| 03:59.17 | pickcoder | is xserver-xorg-video-ati installed? |
| 03:59.23 | Sling | Rusty1 : its the rootfs |
| 03:59.34 | Sling | i cant just umount that, right? |
| 03:59.47 | Amarande | xserver-xorg-video-ati is already the newest version. |
| 04:00.10 | Amarande | zinx: how long do you think before we get open source 3d for the 3800? |
| 04:00.13 | Rusty1 | Sling not a good idea no |
| 04:00.22 | zinx | Amarande: years |
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| 04:00.32 | zinx | Amarande: at least 'til it's decent |
| 04:00.39 | Sling | damn i really messed up here |
| 04:00.42 | Amarande | ati isn't paid by microsoft to put bugs in the linux driver, are they? :| |
| 04:01.01 | Amarande | or threatened perhaps with 'if you don't put bugs in the linux driver, we'll revoke some of your windows dev privileges'? |
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| 04:01.37 | Amarande | meanwhile family members are like 'you should just go back to vista' *choke* |
| 04:01.37 | netdaemon | what do you guys use for wireless management if you don't want to use DE dependent garbage like networkmanager? |
| 04:03.05 | Amarande | however ... zinx, do I really have a solution other than either a) come crawling back to Billy Boy, or b) spend another $100 on hardware? |
| 04:03.24 | netdaemon | Amarande, there is always frglx i believe the name is |
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| 04:03.38 | Amarande | netdaemon: fglrx is the one that won't let you log out without locking the machine. :) |
| 04:03.47 | netdaemon | ah |
| 04:03.49 | Amarande | apparently, it's had this bug for ages, and no one has managed to fix it |
| 04:04.00 | Amarande | I'm really not sure how a bug like that goes unfixed for so long, though |
| 04:04.10 | Amarande | unless there's some sort of shady deal we don't know about, like MS paying ATI not to fix it |
| 04:04.34 | netdaemon | its more like ATI having manpower to maintain a linux driver probably, hence why they released specs not so long ago |
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| 04:04.48 | Amarande | you mean they're going to stop maintaining fglrx entirely soon? |
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| 04:05.01 | netdaemon | no, i mean they handed specs over to the community to have at |
| 04:05.12 | netdaemon | it *should* improve over time |
| 04:05.14 | Amarande | yeah, but it'll be ages before they manage to do something with it |
| 04:05.22 | vdavidoff | anyone know if there's a channel specific to APT issues? |
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| 04:05.32 | Amarande | or is the 3 series close enough to the earlier Radeons API-wise that one can mostly use the same code? |
| 04:06.01 | netdaemon | not a clue, i have intel and nvidia cards =\ |
| 04:06.16 | Amarande | and last time I used linux, I had an nvidia card :S |
| 04:06.25 | netdaemon | i'v debated ATI for a bit though |
| 04:06.35 | Amarande | 3870 would be awesome, if it didn't have this stupid bug |
| 04:06.42 | Amarande | which apparently is a bug with fglrx, and not specifically with the 3870 |
| 04:06.49 | Amarande | since it's existed since the freaking 1 series |
| 04:07.00 | Amarande | which makes me especially puzzled as to how these drivers got out the door with such a bug |
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| 04:07.19 | Amarande | or do vendors consider it enough, generally, to only support RHEL and its stock kernels and debian is just an afterthought? |
| 04:08.14 | vdavidoff | i have configured testing for * with a priority of 101. i have 3 packages in !testing that have the same names and versions as 3 packages in testing. one is architecture specific, and apt tries to pull from !testing, which is what i want. the other two are arch indep, and apt tries to pull from testing. ideas? |
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| 04:08.28 | pickcoder | 3D gaming is not really something people do on servers |
| 04:08.42 | netdaemon | you'd think debian would be a somewhat high priority since its codebase is being used in the unamed distro |
| 04:08.47 | n3kl | pickcoder: maybe you don't =] |
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| 04:09.50 | Amarande | well, yeah, there's really only one thing to do gaming-wise with a server |
| 04:09.54 | Amarande | How about a good game of chess? :) |
| 04:10.55 | netdaemon | nothing wrong with that |
| 04:10.59 | netdaemon | frozen bubble is fun too |
| 04:11.19 | n3kl | chromium is where its at |
| 04:11.28 | netdaemon | robot finds kitten, nethack :P |
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| 04:14.57 | pickcoder | that was fun |
| 04:16.01 | n3kl | anyone know of a command line id3 2.0 tag editor |
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| 04:26.48 | elik__ | n3kl, apt-cache search id3 |
| 04:26.53 | elik__ | n3kl, there are plenty |
| 04:26.59 | elik__ | n3kl, may I recommend picard? |
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| 04:27.53 | elik__ | n3kl, it is gui tool, but does a very good job at tagging files with a user maintained database |
| 04:28.34 | elik__ | n3kl, otherwise, I think id3v2 had a whole bunch of useful options... but didn't try it very much |
| 04:28.58 | n3kl | elik__: nice, this list has changed since etch ;) |
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| 04:29.10 | sam_affable | hey |
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| 04:29.58 | Amarande | by the way, what's this Xen stuff I keep hearing about? I've heard it got implemented in Lenny |
| 04:29.59 | elik__ | n3kl, otherwise, there are always perl modules for doing that, and probably python, and more |
| 04:31.35 | n3kl | elik__: thanks |
| 04:31.44 | sam_affable | hey im trying to install wine on debian etch i get this... The following packages have unmet dependencies:libldap-2.4-2: Conflicts: libldap2 but 2.1.30-13.3 is to be installed. and it tries to remove a lost of packages |
| 04:31.47 | n3kl | Amarande: try a google search man |
| 04:33.07 | n3kl | Amarande: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenFaq |
| 04:34.08 | Amarande | so if you upgrade to lenny, you're stuck with xen? or is that an option you have to install packages for? |
| 04:34.26 | Amarande | at least that was the impression I got from one email I came across ("I run lenny, so Xen 3.2" or somesuch) |
| 04:34.50 | Amarande | apparently, Xen + DRI = Bad, so I'd rather avoid the hypervisor. :) |
| 04:37.09 | n3kl | Amarande: xen is virtualization technology. YOu are not required to isntall |
| 04:38.29 | Amarande | ah good. :) |
| 04:38.47 | Amarande | on the other hand, I'm still really not looking forward to the idea of spending another hundred bucks on hardware to get to game :| |
| 04:38.58 | Amarande | dammit, ATI |
| 04:39.59 | Amarande | oh, this is nice. apparently people have the logout lockup issue with nvidia too |
| 04:40.10 | Amarande | wonder if it's a bug with Xorg and DRI, rather than with fglrx itself? |
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| 04:57.49 | MolePrince | Howdy, is there a particular group I can usermod my user into so I can mount an SD card without root privileges please? |
| 04:59.27 | n3kl | man fstab |
| 04:59.37 | n3kl | but you also want to be a member of plugdev |
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| 05:00.30 | msshams | can i upload a directory with FTP command? |
| 05:03.27 | MolePrince | n3kl: fstab doesn't seem a very good solution for a device which will change letter almost any time I plug it in depending onwhat else is in use [eg usb stick] |
| 05:03.41 | MolePrince | n3kl: And I am a member of plugdev |
| 05:04.37 | n3kl | MolePrince: then look into udev rules to keep the device numbering the same. Also, hal on the desktop should allow you to interact with the device using your DE |
| 05:06.08 | \amethyst | MolePrince: group plugdev will let you mount it through hal (in GNOME for example) |
| 05:07.09 | \amethyst | MolePrince: btw, if you want to make a fstab entry for a specific device, look in /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 05:08.19 | \amethyst | MolePrince: there you will find symlinks pointing to the /dev/sd?? etc. devices, but with names that identify the device |
| 05:08.22 | MolePrince | n3kl: When I plug the SD card in, Gnome reports it cannot mount it as I have to be the superuser. Which is why I was asking if I needed to be part of another group. USB works fine with HAL |
| 05:08.46 | dudeman | hi |
| 05:08.58 | MolePrince | \amethyst: Thanks, I'll check into tthose. |
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| 05:12.53 | dudeman | hey |
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| 05:12.59 | dudeman | whats up in the world of #debian |
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| 05:13.08 | dudeman | what ya'll upto while I been sleepin |
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| 05:14.06 | dudeman | that much huh? |
| 05:14.10 | dudeman | damn... thats a lot. |
| 05:14.29 | Amarande | hmm, apparently xorg 7.1.1 doesn't like fglrx |
| 05:14.58 | Amarande | guess what version of xorg comes with etch ... |
| 05:14.58 | dudeman | use lenny |
| 05:14.58 | dudeman | which card do you have? |
| 05:14.58 | Amarande | Radeon HD3870 |
| 05:15.10 | dudeman | I ditched fglrx in favor of 'radeon' |
| 05:15.20 | Amarande | I tried radeon. X refused to start |
| 05:15.25 | Amarande | right now I'm falling back on 'vesa' |
| 05:15.36 | dudeman | Amarande, you need to probably try 'radeonhd' |
| 05:15.37 | dudeman | :) |
| 05:15.51 | dudeman | !radeonhd |
| 05:15.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, radeonhd is the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets (http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd). Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' in Lenny. #radeonhd @ irc.freenode.net. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask about <radeon>, <fglrx>. |
| 05:16.01 | Amarande | hmm, looks like it's time to go to lenny |
| 05:16.07 | dudeman | of course it is |
| 05:16.09 | Amarande | is lenny in its current state usable, or are things broken? |
| 05:16.14 | dudeman | etch is too old and lenny is almost as stable |
| 05:16.20 | dudeman | its fine dude |
| 05:16.20 | Amarande | or rather, what can I expect to break when I dist-upgrade? |
| 05:16.35 | dudeman | release is frozen now and its getting rc bug fixes |
| 05:16.36 | Amarande | also, are there any known gotchas or should I just change the sources and dist-upgrade? |
| 05:16.44 | dudeman | lenny should release soon here |
| 05:16.54 | dudeman | !etch->lenny |
| 05:17.01 | dudeman | you stupid fucking bot!!! |
| 05:17.18 | dudeman | Amarande, yeh just change etch to lenny on sources list, for regular and security |
| 05:17.27 | dudeman | update, upgrade |
| 05:17.30 | kgoetz | ~ping |
| 05:17.31 | apt | ~pong |
| 05:17.40 | kgoetz | ~etch->lenny |
| 05:17.49 | dudeman | uhm.. wasn't apt supposed to be silent |
| 05:17.53 | kgoetz | neither of them like it |
| 05:18.00 | Mr-D | it works via qry. |
| 05:18.02 | Amarande | don't you have to do dist-upgrade, not just upgrade? |
| 05:18.24 | dudeman | dpkg, ping |
| 05:18.24 | dpkg | pong |
| 05:18.39 | dudeman | dpkg, etch->lenny |
| 05:18.39 | dpkg | etch->lenny is probably First, see <apt-listbugs> and lenny <lenny release notes>. Edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, `aptitude update` and `aptitude dist-upgrade`. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 05:18.45 | dudeman | *sigh* |
| 05:18.59 | Amarande | also, is it possible to do this from a terminal in X or do I have to go out to a VC? |
| 05:19.08 | dudeman | vc? |
| 05:19.12 | Amarande | text console |
| 05:19.18 | dudeman | you can do this from an xterm |
| 05:19.25 | dudeman | when you are done restart X |
| 05:19.41 | dudeman | oh and btw |
| 05:19.46 | dudeman | fglrx on lenny is broken :) |
| 05:20.39 | dudeman | !dbugs #450639 |
| 05:20.43 | dpkg | #:N[#450639] ; |
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| 05:21.34 | dudeman | #450639 [fglrx-driver] fglrx-driver: Fails to start X and leaves blank screen |
| 05:21.54 | Amarande | gah, I either have to spend $100-$150 on a new video card, go back to Windows, or run sid? |
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| 05:22.21 | Amarande | actually, is that just the fglrx driver included with debian, or does the 8.8 from ATI's site fail too? |
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| 05:22.55 | dudeman | no |
| 05:22.57 | Amarande | I think for 3870 one has to run at least 8.5 anyway |
| 05:23.00 | dudeman | just use radeonhd |
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| 05:23.10 | dudeman | if it doesn't work try #radeonhd |
| 05:23.20 | dudeman | im sure the developers can help you like they did me |
| 05:24.36 | dudeman | you can always try to install catalyst 8.8 using ATI binary driver, generated source packages for debian/testing and install em, use module-assistant + fglrx one-liner to build the new source and that should ble it |
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| 05:26.16 | Amarande | hmm, it tells me I have 18 conflicts when I go to dist-upgrade |
| 05:26.37 | hero100era | I have installed mldonkey-server and using http://localhost:4080 to control it, Why I canât connect any serverï¼ |
| 05:26.58 | Amarande | python-gtkhtml2: Conflicts: python-gnome2-extras (< 2.19.1-1) but 2.14.3-1 is installed and it is kept back. |
| 05:27.02 | Amarande | why is this one being kept back? |
| 05:27.06 | Amarande | I never told it to be |
| 05:27.06 | hero100era | Do anybody know whatâs the problem? |
| 05:27.41 | Amarande | agh, is there a quick command line way to un-keepback a package? |
| 05:28.30 | Amarande | or a parameter I can give to aptitude to override "keep back"? |
| 05:28.48 | Amarande | apparently, that's blocking some other packages' deps and causing conflicts |
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| 05:29.59 | Amarande | dammit |
| 05:30.10 | Amarande | I try aptitude unhold python-gtkhtml2 and instead it tries to proceed with the existing upgrade task |
| 05:30.15 | Amarande | any fix? |
| 05:30.27 | Amarande | or am I about to break my system no matter what I try now because there's no way to get that hold off? |
| 05:30.49 | craigevil-eee | why not try using upgrade instead of dist-upgrade? |
| 05:31.48 | Amarande | this better work |
| 05:31.52 | cast | there a reason why i can't find SECURITY_SMACK in my lenny kernel options? |
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| 05:32.00 | Amarande | because if I have to spend another damned evening re-downloading WoW because I have to format to fix things ... |
| 05:32.13 | cast | grep -i SECURITY_SMACK /boot/config* returns nothing :< |
| 05:32.32 | dudeman | smack? |
| 05:32.35 | dudeman | ya damn junkie! |
| 05:32.46 | cast | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=security/smack/Kconfig;h=603b0878434172a32183404bd0525575b9a017e5;hb=e114e473771c848c3cfec05f0123e70f1cdbdc99 |
| 05:32.51 | Amarande | dudeman: am I about to break my system because I can't get that keepback removed before upgrading etch->lenny? |
| 05:32.59 | cast | i just can't find it in my 2.6.26 kconfig in /boot :( |
| 05:33.05 | Amarande | mainly because I had no reason to even KNOW about it before attempting to upgrade |
| 05:33.06 | dudeman | Amarande, don't listen to me! |
| 05:33.09 | Amarande | I never told debian to hold back that package |
| 05:33.11 | dudeman | I dunno whats goin on with you |
| 05:33.13 | Amarande | so why is it kept back anyway? |
| 05:33.28 | dmoerner | because of a conflict. |
| 05:33.40 | dudeman | Amarande, python problems |
| 05:33.40 | dmoerner | try aptitude --why whatever |
| 05:33.52 | Amarande | dmoerner: is etch->lenny possible without getting conflicts, or is the only way to get a 'clean' lenny upgrade to reformat? |
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| 05:34.20 | dudeman | its being kept back because it is probably no long needed? or whtever I dunno |
| 05:34.25 | dudeman | maybe anothe rpackages replaces it in lenny |
| 05:34.35 | dudeman | that package is a non-issue, go ahead with the upgrade |
| 05:35.11 | dudeman | 1 |
| 05:35.22 | dudeman | !info pyton-gtkhtml2 lenny |
| 05:35.36 | Amarande | you forgot an h :) |
| 05:35.41 | dudeman | oops |
| 05:35.44 | Amarande | dpkg, you need a DWIM function |
| 05:35.44 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 05:36.12 | dudeman | Priority: optional |
| 05:36.14 | dudeman | dude |
| 05:36.20 | dudeman | just go ahead with the freaking upgrade |
| 05:36.27 | dudeman | it won't break your system, this pckage is a non-issue |
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| 05:36.52 | dudeman | Conflicts: python-gnome2-extras (< 2.19.1-1) |
| 05:36.56 | dudeman | Replaces: python-gnome2-extras (< 2.19.1-1) |
| 05:36.59 | dudeman | this is why... |
| 05:37.04 | dudeman | don't worrya bout it, go with the flow |
| 05:37.34 | dmoerner | Amarande: etch -> Lenny should be perfectly safe |
| 05:37.42 | dudeman | and if it isn't |
| 05:37.49 | dudeman | there is a huge problem and we suck |
| 05:37.53 | Amarande | dudeman: apparently, I can only upgrade, not dist-upgrade, and now I have a partial etch->lenny |
| 05:37.57 | dmoerner | if you experience a real bug file one |
| 05:37.59 | Amarande | which I presume I'd better fix before I log out |
| 05:38.07 | dmoerner | what is the out put of aptitude --why dist-upgrade |
| 05:38.07 | Amarande | dist-upgrade gets STUCK because it insists on resolving those conflicts first |
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| 05:38.22 | dudeman | Amarande, so why don't you remove that package first |
| 05:38.30 | dudeman | Amarande, remove both those pckages |
| 05:38.48 | dudeman | you can install later if you really need them |
| 05:38.57 | hero100era | my mlnet always showing connecting, but never connected to a server. what's the problem? |
| 05:39.08 | dudeman | hero100era, firewall? |
| 05:39.10 | Amarande | I'm assuming that as long as there are any "conflict:" entries in Resolving dependencies, that it will NEVER resolve the dependencies until all such are removed |
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| 05:39.18 | dudeman | Amarande, no |
| 05:39.19 | Amarande | no matter how many times you tell it to try harder? |
| 05:39.56 | dudeman | Amarande, shouldn't you be able to aptitude full-upgrade |
| 05:39.59 | hero100era | dudeman, but I can connect to a server by using emule in windows. |
| 05:40.14 | dudeman | hero100era, so windows has no firewall? perhaps |
| 05:40.14 | Amarande | full-upgrade is not a recognized option |
| 05:40.19 | dudeman | Amarande, oh you're on etch |
| 05:40.20 | dudeman | doh |
| 05:40.30 | dudeman | use dist-upgrade and let it resolve |
| 05:40.32 | hero100era | so how to config the firewall |
| 05:40.33 | hero100era | ? |
| 05:40.42 | hero100era | you mean iptables? |
| 05:40.44 | dudeman | hero100era, dump your iptables rules |
| 05:40.44 | dudeman | yes |
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| 05:41.52 | hero100era | dudeman, Iâm really not familiar with iptables ? how to dump it? |
| 05:42.01 | dudeman | man iptables |
| 05:42.04 | dudeman | !iptables |
| 05:42.04 | dpkg | it has been said that iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 05:42.20 | dudeman | I'm tired, its almost 2am, I'm sorry I can't be of much more help than that |
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| 05:42.48 | Amarande | btw, if gdm for some reason restarts in the middle of doing a dist-upgrade from an xterm |
| 05:42.56 | Amarande | is that a recoverable failure, or something that basically = system's hosed, reformat? |
| 05:43.06 | dudeman | it will break your upgrade process and you'll have to resume later |
| 05:43.07 | dudeman | no |
| 05:43.13 | dudeman | just don't let it restart gdm |
| 05:43.25 | dudeman | it shouldn't do that anyway |
| 05:43.38 | dudeman | gdm postinst does NOT restart the service |
| 05:43.43 | dudeman | afaik anyway. |
| 05:44.05 | cast | Amarande: use screen :> |
| 05:44.22 | dudeman | or we can both chase after cast with a stick! |
| 05:44.31 | \amethyst | but upgrading pam will IIRC offer to restart gdm |
| 05:44.44 | dudeman | beats cast over the head with a screen! |
| 05:44.49 | \amethyst | so make sure you remove it from the list of things to restart |
| 05:44.56 | dmoerner | no it doesn't, it removes it form the list by default |
| 05:44.59 | \amethyst | aha |
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| 05:45.15 | Amarande | oh, this is fun |
| 05:45.24 | Amarande | apparently, to remove the conflict logjam entirely, I need to apt-get remove perl-base |
| 05:45.26 | Amarande | which ... is not good. |
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| 05:45.34 | dudeman | dude |
| 05:45.38 | dudeman | Amarande, use aptitude! |
| 05:45.40 | Amarande | apt-get remove perl-base: "would you like to uninstall about half the system" |
| 05:45.45 | dudeman | no |
| 05:45.46 | dudeman | man |
| 05:46.18 | dudeman | *sigh* fuck it... |
| 05:46.23 | Amarande | lemme guess, my first mistake is this |
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| 05:46.31 | Amarande | in debian, you should never, ever run stable if you have anything at all resembling a newish machine |
| 05:46.37 | dudeman | I dunno nutin' man |
| 05:46.38 | Amarande | :) |
| 05:46.43 | dudeman | whats a 'puter? |
| 05:46.51 | fireba11 | Amarande: no, that works fine normally |
| 05:47.22 | Amarande | fireball: any way to resolve a perl-base conflict that *doesn't* uninstall about half the system? |
| 05:47.42 | Amarande | like I said before ... when I try aptitude dist-upgrade, it gets stuck forever on trying to resolve dependency issues because of conflicts in important stuff |
| 05:47.52 | fireba11 | Amarande: i don't know how you managed to do that in the first place :-) |
| 05:48.01 | Amarande | I'll select 'try harder' 3 or 4 times, and it still says 'can't figure out a way in the time allotted' |
| 05:48.36 | fireba11 | well what did you do to get a setup like that ? |
| 05:48.39 | Amarande | I don't know either, the only package I installed that wasn't stock etch was wine, and that didn't pull any other non-etch deps, plus I uninstalled it first |
| 05:48.47 | Amarande | well, wine and fglrx |
| 05:48.54 | Amarande | but fglrx doesn't pull anything that's not normal etch either |
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| 05:49.22 | Amarande | apparently, some stuff in etch has "=" version dependencies instead of ">=" |
| 05:49.36 | binarymutant | anyone know how I can get Music on Console themes to stay after restarting the program? |
| 05:49.46 | fireba11 | Amarande: how did you install those two packages ? |
| 05:49.59 | Amarande | fireba11: fglrx I followed the howto for |
| 05:50.13 | Amarande | wine, I downloaded the source deb and built it |
| 05:50.26 | Amarande | but did not pull any other source debs in the process |
| 05:50.43 | Amarande | i.e., aside from wine and fglrx packages there should not be anything not stock etch here |
| 05:51.02 | fireba11 | what did the fglrx howto tell you to do ? .-) |
| 05:51.03 | Amarande | and I *removed* the non-stock packages first |
| 05:51.16 | Amarande | fireba11: download the tarball, do some fakeroot and m-a stuff |
| 05:52.00 | fireba11 | h .. nothing that should cause such a hickup |
| 05:52.22 | Amarande | I've so far resolved all of the conflicts by removing the conflicting package noted |
| 05:52.37 | Amarande | in each case, it seems to have ended up causing a bunch of packages to get removed, and a bunch of packages with similar-ish names to be being installed |
| 05:52.47 | Amarande | hopefully, if something breaks, I can remember what's missing :| |
| 05:53.00 | Amarande | the only one that's a problem is perl-base, which seems to take about half the system with it if you try to resolve a conflict by removing it |
| 05:53.08 | fireba11 | and you're sure you got a normal etch system with no other sources ? |
| 05:53.10 | Amarande | like good god, how much depends on perl-base now? |
| 05:53.15 | Amarande | quite. |
| 05:53.25 | Amarande | is perl like, practically up there with the freaking kernel now? |
| 05:53.39 | Amarande | actually, I think you'd have fewer dependencies breaking if you removed your kernel :) |
| 05:53.42 | fireba11 | Amarande: no but virtually all of the scripting stuff needs it |
| 05:54.14 | Amarande | then again, maybe I should just ditch gnome |
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| 05:54.25 | Amarande | it's bulky, and most of the themes suck anyway :) |
| 05:54.42 | Amarande | except that ... is there any real way to manage gtk apps' appearance if you don't have GNOME? |
| 05:55.05 | erpo | I don't care very much about the performance of my home fileserver, but it is on all the time. What can I do to reduce power usage? |
| 05:55.27 | erpo | Amarande: I missed the first part of your question, but you could install enough of gnome to switch gtk themes. |
| 05:55.59 | Amarande | erpo: apparently, I may be without gnome at least temporarily, if I remove the perl-base package. |
| 05:56.42 | erpo | Amarande: Why do you say that? Because the gnome desktop package depends on perl-base? |
| 05:56.53 | Amarande | actually, I'm kinda fuzzy on just what depends on perl-base |
| 05:57.13 | Amarande | what I do know is it's enough that apt says 'this may harm your system' and requires the Special Are You Sure |
| 05:57.51 | erpo | Amarande: To see what depends on perl-base, do an apt-cache showpkg perl-base |
| 05:58.03 | dmoerner | or apt-cache rdepends |
| 05:58.09 | fireba11 | Amarande: actuall i suspect apt may depend on perl-base |
| 05:58.37 | erpo | Why do you want to remove perl-base in the first place? |
| 05:58.57 | Amarande | erpo: because apparently, aptitude dist-upgrade chokes on trying to resolve conflicts, and perl-base is causing conflicts |
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| 05:59.27 | Amarande | it appears that the only at all reasonable way to resolve these conflicts and allow the upgrade to proceed is to remove the packages that have been found guilty of causing conflicts |
| 05:59.28 | erpo | Amarande: Why not paste the output of aptitude dist-upgrade into a pastebin for the apt gurus to look at? |
| 05:59.49 | Amarande | and of course, right now, I'm a combination of etch and lenny soup, since the upgrade is not complete. :) |
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| 06:01.27 | Amarande | that's weird, the perl-base conflict went away with the other one |
| 06:02.17 | Amarande | at least with linux, you know that as long as you can log on, you can fix stuff. |
| 06:03.40 | Amarande | libldap2, I think was the last one I did a remove on to resolve stuff |
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| 06:04.01 | Amarande | oh, that's right, its replacement was already queued for installation, hence the conflict. :) |
| 06:04.10 | richo | my etch box is sending all mail to root to my boss.. i have no idea why. /etc/mail/aliases don't exist.. where else could it be aliased? |
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| 06:05.05 | Amarande | hmm, is there a way to see after doing a dist-upgrade if you have any stragglers? |
| 06:05.19 | Amarande | i.e., packages that were in etch, are still there, but did not get and do not have upgrades for lenny? |
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| 06:06.06 | Amarande | or equivalently, does aptitude have a 'purge anything that's not in sources' option? |
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| 06:07.08 | Amarande | or are such packages automatically removed during a dist-upgrade :) |
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| 06:08.19 | fireba11 | richo : /etc/aliases ? |
| 06:08.33 | fireba11 | Amarande: deborphan ? |
| 06:08.50 | richo | fireba11: champion! |
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| 06:11.05 | Amarande | I suppose I get the feeling that old etch packages may end up being like cyber tooth cavities. eventually they develop a security hole, never get patched, and proceed to infect your entire system with bad. |
| 06:11.15 | fireba11 | Amarande: an option to see what is installed but not in current sources would be nice though |
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| 06:11.42 | fireba11 | dunno of any though |
| 06:12.23 | Amarande | fireba11: hmm, all installed packages are kept in what-ever-that-thingy-that-apt-uses-to-keep-track-of-available-packages, right? |
| 06:13.05 | Amarande | there some way maybe to get a 'virgin' sources download, i.e., what a fresh lenny system would know about, and do a file compare/diff/somesuch? |
| 06:13.39 | Amarande | I'm not sure if hte available file is kept in the same format as Sources.list though |
| 06:13.49 | Amarande | or Packages, or whatever that file is called :) |
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| 06:14.32 | fireba11 | Amarande: yes, there might be some dpkg-option |
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| 06:15.31 | Amarande | fireba11: is etch->lenny particularly likely to leave festering security holes in the future, though? |
| 06:15.48 | Amarande | after all, one must assume every package that no longer gets updates and wasn't removed will develop one eventually |
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| 06:15.55 | fireba11 | Amarande: upgrading should never leave any security gaps .. :-) |
| 06:16.39 | fireba11 | but the issue of what is about packages that no longer exist is a good question |
| 06:16.51 | Amarande | Update login.defs, or keep currently installed version? |
| 06:17.05 | fireba11 | i'd expect apt to issue a warning but i don't know for sure |
| 06:17.19 | Amarande | I'm a little fuzzy on what login.defs does, exactly |
| 06:19.47 | Amarande | wow, that's a relic |
| 06:19.52 | Amarande | "unpacking replacement dselect" |
| 06:19.59 | Amarande | Hands in the air if you've used dselect in the last 3 years or so :) |
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| 06:22.05 | fireba11 | i can't get rid of the habbit to use apt-get ;-) |
| 06:22.17 | fireba11 | i'm just not comfy with aptitude |
| 06:22.28 | Amarande | I usually use apt-get if I'm only actively manipulating a single package |
| 06:22.38 | Amarande | hmm |
| 06:22.48 | Amarande | is using both apt-get and aptitude a recipe for system breakage? |
| 06:22.54 | fireba11 | nope |
| 06:23.12 | fireba11 | they both use dpkg to do the actual work anyway afaik |
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| 06:25.28 | intx | what changed from 2.6.18 to 2.6.23 (kernel) that would cause my kernel to not boot/mount the root partition using the same config? |
| 06:25.50 | Amarande | intx: ahh, did you get stung by that too? :) |
| 06:26.17 | Amarande | earlier today I tried to compile 2.6.26.5 using the same config as 2.6.18 |
| 06:26.22 | Amarande | I was greeted by a kernel panic on boot :) |
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| 06:26.27 | Amarande | "couldn't mount root filesystem" |
| 06:26.40 | intx | yeah exactly! |
| 06:26.42 | intx | did you figure it out? :) |
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| 06:27.00 | fireba11 | Amarande : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-obsolete |
| 06:30.28 | Amarande | ahh yes, that's what I was looking for. :) |
| 06:30.40 | intx | Amarande: what was the exact error? |
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| 06:32.32 | Amarande | intx: I can't remember now |
| 06:32.38 | Amarande | it was a kernel panic saying it couldn't mount sda1, though |
| 06:32.58 | Amarande | my speculation is they most likely changed the name of one or more config settings related to SATA drive or EXT3 support |
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| 06:51.34 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 06:51.47 | Amarande | why is the 2.6.26 K7 kernel package "transitional only"? |
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| 06:52.07 | Amarande | also, I can't seem to install the 2.6.22 headers on lenny ... it seems to want linux-kbuild or something like that that isn't available |
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| 06:52.55 | doudou | Hi, how do i let user doudou launch a root privileges program? |
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| 06:53.12 | doudou | user doudou is me root too |
| 06:53.15 | Amarande | and I'm only going to assume that, if I try to upgrade to 2.6.26 kernel in lenny, it's going to pull a 64-bit kernel, and then I'm going to have to change my arch to amd64 and dist-upgrade *again*? |
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| 06:53.54 | Amarande | on the good side, radeonhd driver has solved all video issues, aside from the lack of DRI making 3D games kinda ... er ... painful LOL |
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| 06:54.48 | Amarande | but for the moment ... I need to know, which package had the GNOME user/group management GUI app in it? It's apparently not in my system tools menu in GNOME anymore |
| 06:54.56 | Amarande | I think it might have got removed while I was resolving conflicts |
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| 07:01.01 | Amarande | actually, which *is* the correct kernel arch under Lenny to use an Athlon X2 in 32-bit mode? |
| 07:02.06 | Amarande | or are we forced to either use 64-bit mode or be limited to 1GB RAM now? |
| 07:02.11 | simonrvn | um, i386 ... |
| 07:02.19 | Amarande | simonrvn: i386 limits you to 1 gig of RAM |
| 07:02.26 | simonrvn | if you sub-arch, then it would be 686 |
| 07:02.28 | Amarande | which is why I've always used the k7 kernel |
| 07:02.34 | Amarande | 686 support 2GB? |
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| 07:02.44 | simonrvn | not my problem. bigmem |
| 07:02.45 | kommodore | compile your own? |
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| 07:03.02 | Amarande | kommodore, the last time I tried that adventure, I waited a half hour to get a kernel that didn't boot. :) |
| 07:03.07 | simonrvn | !bigmem |
| 07:03.07 | dpkg | -bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub 1GB limit. |
| 07:03.54 | intx | anything changed since 2.6.18 in regards to filesystem mounting (to 2.6.23)? |
| 07:04.04 | kommodore | intx: yes |
| 07:04.09 | simonrvn | such as? |
| 07:04.35 | kommodore | intx: the pata/sata change... I suggest you use UUID for now. |
| 07:05.13 | simonrvn | !vagueness |
| 07:05.13 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY PENGUINS CRY! |
| 07:05.23 | Amarande | hmm, bigmem is for 4GB and on up ... let's see what the regular 686 kernel says |
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| 07:05.32 | Amarande | I know the k7 kernel supported 2GB |
| 07:05.46 | simonrvn | no more k7 |
| 07:05.52 | KnuckOne | i've 2G ram and need bigmem ;) |
| 07:05.52 | Amarande | yeah, why'd they get rid of that one? |
| 07:05.54 | xsdg | Amarande: there are different versions of bigmem, btw |
| 07:06.01 | Amarande | or are we expected to use 64-bit mode? |
| 07:06.08 | xsdg | Amarande: there's a version for 1gig and up, and another for 4 gigs and up |
| 07:06.14 | Lagbolt | Amarande, use 686 |
| 07:06.15 | xsdg | err.. 1GB-4GB rather |
| 07:06.46 | intx | kommodore: thanks |
| 07:06.55 | Lagbolt | Amarande, k7 became transition package for 686 |
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| 07:07.09 | kommodore | also beware about your grub... it might complain too |
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| 07:07.59 | Amarande | and now it is time to reboot! :) |
| 07:08.01 | intx | grub will complain about a kernel change? |
| 07:08.34 | kommodore | grub will complain about root, if you previously use /dev/hdxx and kernel decide to switch it to /dev/sdxx |
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| 07:09.17 | intx | IDE drives are now mounted as /dev/sdxx? |
| 07:09.51 | simonrvn | only sata |
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| 07:09.56 | Amarande | yay, -686 supports 2GB |
| 07:10.02 | Amarande | now for the other question again |
| 07:10.09 | Amarande | which package includes the GNOME GUI user/group manager? |
| 07:10.15 | simonrvn | !wb Amarande |
| 07:10.15 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Amarande has returned! |
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| 07:10.23 | Amarande | apparently I managed to uninstall that and don't know the package name |
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| 07:10.43 | kommodore | the default is... I think you can pass a flag (legacy-ide or ide-legacy? can't remember) to stop that if you compile both the new pata/sata and the old pata |
| 07:11.34 | ham5 | gnome system tools? |
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| 07:15.32 | trifler | What's the best ls command? |
| 07:15.32 | Amarande | ok, yeah, that's it. |
| 07:15.32 | Amarande | and now time to reboot again :) |
| 07:15.40 | intx | kommodore: you are awesome. I spent the last 5 days (a few hours per day) trying to get my new kernel to run, talked to 3+ people in the last 30 minutes trying to figure out what was wrong and I think you just answered my question in 15 seconds. |
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| 07:16.54 | kommodore | intx: glad to help |
| 07:17.04 | kommodore | s/to/it |
| 07:17.07 | intx | finally someone who knows what he's talking about.. other people were telling me my ram was faulty and to run memtest.. |
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| 07:17.22 | Amarande | lenny, you took my sound away! |
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| 07:17.44 | Amarande | since I upgraded to lenny and rebooted: apparently, 2.6.26 wants me to use the HDMI out on my video card for sound, and isn't seeing my SB Audigy |
| 07:17.47 | intx | thanks again |
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| 07:17.49 | Amarande | how do I fix this? |
| 07:18.26 | Amarande | or will the SB Audigy NEVER get seen as the sound device as long as I'm running an X server that knows about my video card's HDMI out? |
| 07:18.56 | Amarande | or did lenny's 2.6.26 take out said sound card? |
| 07:19.06 | Amarande | i.e., only a custom kernel can do audigy? |
| 07:19.43 | KnuckOne | use alsaconf at first and see what happens ;) |
| 07:20.25 | Amarande | hmm, I'm not sure about my confidence in ALSA now either |
| 07:20.32 | Amarande | it just referred to a "suopported" [sic] sound card. :) |
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| 07:21.28 | Amarande | ahh, here we go |
| 07:21.33 | Amarande | will that have to be rerun every boot, btw? |
| 07:21.55 | Amarande | i.e., will udev keep trying to make the ati hdmi the sound device and overwrite alsaconf? |
| 07:21.58 | KnuckOne | no if you ran alsaconf no need to do it for futureuse |
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| 07:22.59 | fireba11 | Amarande: speaking of also .. am wondering if there is any chance to use the dolby digital live from my aureon 7.1 pci with linux |
| 07:23.05 | fireba11 | alsa *g* |
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| 07:23.29 | Amarande | yay, all is well now. other than that wow runs impossibly slow :) |
| 07:23.37 | Amarande | but I don't have the stomach to try fglrx again right now :| |
| 07:24.46 | KnuckOne | bah it's not a big deal with m-a |
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| 07:25.54 | Amarande | btw, will a working fglrx make it into lenny release, or is that bug stuck as a bug because it requires a version upgrade to fix most likely, and lenny is frozen? |
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| 07:29.01 | Amarande | well, guess I won't be doing that tonight |
| 07:29.09 | Amarande | "fakeroot: nested operation not yet supported" |
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| 07:30.10 | Amarande | apparently, the lenny package build is broken on 8.8 |
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| 07:32.14 | Amarande | let's see about 8.7 ... |
| 07:32.26 | Amarande | apparently the one that's in the lenny repository is 8.501 which I believe is 8.6 |
| 07:32.32 | Amarande | so we know that one doesn't work. :) |
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| 07:33.38 | Amarande | but that earlier thought of mine makes me wonder |
| 07:33.55 | Amarande | what is debian policy, when there is a bug in a frozen distribution, and that bug is not fixable without upgrading the concerned package? |
| 07:34.02 | Amarande | (as would be the case for a non-free binary package) |
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| 07:36.10 | Amarande | ok, apparently it's just flat out impossible to build fglrx under lenny, because fakeroot won't allow it. |
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| 07:36.52 | kommodore | Amarande: I think you are out of luck here with the "official" debian... (compared with flash in etch) |
| 07:37.22 | Amarande | kommodore: I wasn't using the official debian lenny fglrx :) |
| 07:37.26 | Amarande | I've heard that is known to be broken |
| 07:37.48 | Amarande | I was attempting to follow the howto to build it, however, both 8.8 and 8.7 fail out complaining of an attempt to nest fakeroot |
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| 07:39.36 | kommodore | that was referring to the "official" policy... wait for backport, or stuck with it for 2 years until the next stable ;) |
| 07:39.55 | wols_ | Amarande: stuff gets backported |
| 07:40.08 | wols_ | and withz lenny a new version can still get in,ifrarely |
| 07:40.29 | Amarande | http://paste.debian.net/16873/ |
| 07:40.34 | Amarande | any way around this? |
| 07:40.38 | Amarande | 8.8 does the same |
| 07:40.52 | kommodore | wols_: that is, if it is an RC bug... but this probably won't be classified as such |
| 07:41.02 | wols_ | dpm |
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| 07:41.06 | wols_ | don't use fakeroot |
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| 07:41.21 | Amarande | wols: do I actually have to be root then, or will just sh ... etc work? |
| 07:41.34 | wols_ | you have to be root |
| 07:41.44 | Amarande | and is the package build going to leave files strewn about the filesystem then? |
| 07:41.58 | Amarande | i.e., Files in the Debian Filesystem that are Not Part of Debian = Bad |
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| 07:42.08 | wols_ | but that is one of the reason why we don't support ati.com drivers |
| 07:42.13 | assasukasse | how do i find to which ip is a device connected to my pc? I got an access point used, but i dunno what is the default ip it should be, and the website of the producer is down |
| 07:42.26 | wols_ | Amarande: ask ati.com not us |
| 07:42.29 | Amarande | wols: if I'm real root, do I just get a package, or do I get a package -and- stray files around the fs? |
| 07:42.42 | wols_ | Amarande: ask ati.com not us |
| 07:42.52 | Amarande | wols: in other words, if you want to 3D game on Debian, learn to not buy a recent video card, ever? |
| 07:43.05 | Amarande | learn to use really obsolete stuff? :) |
| 07:43.16 | wols_ | Amarande: in other words: you talk bullshit |
| 07:43.20 | kommodore | Amarande: now you know the truth... use debian only on obsolete stuff |
| 07:43.36 | Amarande | wols: well, you get a recent video card, and you get stuck using proprietary drivers |
| 07:43.37 | wols_ | assasukasse: iconfig |
| 07:43.42 | Amarande | unless you can think of a way to play wow at 1 fps. :) |
| 07:44.15 | assasukasse | wols_: ifconfig? this is to know the network adaptop, i need to know an ip of a device connected to the same switch |
| 07:44.19 | wols_ | assasukasse: ifconfig |
| 07:44.37 | Amarande | wols: what changed in fakeroot between etch and lenny though that results in things breaking? :) |
| 07:44.47 | wols_ | assasukasse: possibly arp. butyou still don't know what is what |
| 07:44.56 | Amarande | it built fine under etch |
| 07:45.00 | assasukasse | wols_: nmap doesn't do? |
| 07:45.10 | richo | assasukasse: nmap |
| 07:45.12 | richo | oh wait |
| 07:45.19 | wols_ | nmap is a PORT scanner |
| 07:45.24 | richo | and hsot scanner |
| 07:45.29 | assasukasse | oh |
| 07:45.39 | richo | for example to find everything near me, nmap -sP 192.168.173.0/24 |
| 07:45.46 | wols_ | richo: telnet is a host scanner then... |
| 07:45.47 | assasukasse | i need a ping scan on 192.168.x.x subclass |
| 07:45.57 | richo | nmap 192.168.0.0/24 -sP |
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| 07:46.45 | assasukasse | thanks richo |
| 07:46.49 | richo | wols_: if the device isn't listening on a single port or making it's presense known to nmap, it's IP is unliekly to be of any use ;) |
| 07:47.58 | assasukasse | richo: this finds everything on the same subnet, what if different subnet |
| 07:48.43 | richo | assasukasse: then you probably do want to go inspecting ARP tables, or using some of nmap's lower level options |
| 07:49.11 | assasukasse | oh ok thanks, it is gonna be a long job...pity the manufacturer site is down |
| 07:49.17 | richo | it does have an option for just forging ethernet frames to illicit a response, regardless of subnetting |
| 07:49.23 | assasukasse | anyone having a e-zy access point? |
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| 07:53.24 | doudou | what is channel for http stuff |
| 07:54.32 | wols_ | #web, #apache |
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| 07:55.55 | Amarande | hmm, can someone tell me who the staff head for this channel is? |
| 07:56.13 | doudou | thx |
| 07:56.42 | dusty_ | Hey guys I am trying to get a network aliases working: http://rafb.net/p/nxIkl586.html on reboot it says eth:1 can't assign address, i add the ifconfig line to rc.local and that brings it up, i want it to work using the interfaces file but it doesnt seem to what am i doing wrong: http://rafb.net/p/nxIkl586.html ? |
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| 08:00.12 | koolhead17 | hi all |
| 08:00.17 | clusty | ahoy |
| 08:00.19 | clusty | :D |
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| 08:00.28 | koolhead17 | am using debian stable and created virtual host |
| 08:00.42 | koolhead17 | I need to remove caching features from my apache |
| 08:00.44 | koolhead17 | need help |
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| 08:01.01 | koolhead17 | because the developers are not seeing any changes |
| 08:01.03 | clusty | koolhead17, better try #apache |
| 08:01.14 | clusty | they are nice enough and know better |
| 08:01.21 | koolhead17 | hm thanks |
| 08:01.30 | koolhead17 | I thought it`s related to debian |
| 08:01.31 | koolhead17 | :P |
| 08:01.32 | kantor | hi |
| 08:01.46 | koolhead17 | I wish to fix this issue asap |
| 08:01.52 | clusty | koolhead17, lemme lok |
| 08:01.59 | koolhead17 | clusty: thanks |
| 08:02.06 | clusty | koolhead17, i am not a wizz but might be able to help :D |
| 08:02.21 | koolhead17 | thanks please help me |
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| 08:02.31 | ShredZ | Lenny seems to have glade3 only and libglade2-ruby only... are glade3 files compatible with all the glade2 libs out there ? |
| 08:02.46 | clusty | koolhead17, so what do you mean by cacheing? |
| 08:02.55 | clusty | koolhead17, cache inside firefox? |
| 08:02.59 | clusty | proxy? |
| 08:03.05 | koolhead17 | apache caching |
| 08:03.07 | koolhead17 | I mean |
| 08:03.28 | clusty | as in provided by mod_cache? |
| 08:03.50 | koolhead17 | yes |
| 08:03.56 | koolhead17 | I need to turn it off |
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| 08:04.04 | koolhead17 | I don`t want caching |
| 08:04.09 | clusty | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_disk_cache.html#cachesize |
| 08:04.14 | clusty | try cachesize 0 |
| 08:04.49 | clusty | this is experimental mod. you have this surely? |
| 08:05.03 | koolhead17 | a2enable |
| 08:05.07 | koolhead17 | will tell me that |
| 08:05.08 | koolhead17 | :P |
| 08:05.30 | clusty | check out /etc/apache/mods-enable |
| 08:05.35 | clusty | or whatever the path is |
| 08:06.13 | koolhead17 | k |
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| 08:07.02 | wols_ | koolhead17: devs not seeing changes is not an apache problem normally |
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| 08:07.10 | wols_ | it's a browser cache problem |
| 08:07.13 | kantor | hi, is here a GNU developer ? because I have a specific question |
| 08:07.14 | Thebanman | Can someone here ban me |
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| 08:07.36 | wols_ | !tell kantor about ask |
| 08:07.56 | koolhead17 | wols_: http://pastebin.com/m743ddacb |
| 08:07.58 | kantor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:08.31 | koolhead17 | wols_: I have cleared cookis and cache from my browser |
| 08:08.47 | wols_ | koolhead17: debian packages don't have anything to do with GNU people |
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| 08:09.14 | dusty_ | Hey guys I am trying to get a network aliases working: http://rafb.net/p/nxIkl586.html on reboot it says eth:1 can't assign address, i add the ifconfig line to rc.local and that brings it up, i want it to work using the interfaces file but it doesnt seem to what am i doing wrong: http://rafb.net/p/nxIkl586.html ? |
| 08:09.26 | koolhead17 | wols_: ok |
| 08:09.41 | wols_ | koolhead17: since apache has the mod not loaded ,there is no cache |
| 08:09.48 | wols_ | it's a browser problem |
| 08:10.22 | koolhead17 | I cleared my iceweasal cache |
| 08:10.27 | koolhead17 | am still watchin it |
| 08:10.27 | koolhead17 | :( |
| 08:10.38 | Somni | dusty_: you are aliasing eth0, but you are only automatically bringing eth0:1 up |
| 08:10.51 | Somni | you need to reverse it |
| 08:11.14 | Somni | eth0 is required to be up if you have aliases to it; make eth0:1 optional, auto-up eth0 |
| 08:11.57 | wols_ | kantor: sfdisk already exists in debian |
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| 08:12.45 | Thebanman | Come ban me fruitcakes |
| 08:13.30 | kantor | wols_, that is the util-linux package, but GNU wants to implement the GNU package, GNU fdisk, so my work would be to completely rewrite the linux sfdisk |
| 08:13.52 | Somni | Thebanman: /part #debian, free ban under your control, you're welcome |
| 08:14.14 | Thebanman | So ban me |
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| 08:14.16 | wols_ | kantor: and this is debian related how? |
| 08:14.45 | Somni | kantor: if you write software, and someone finds it useful, it will get packaged |
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| 08:15.34 | kantor | wols_, I just thought I gonna find here a GNU developer, that can help me with some legal issues . . . |
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| 08:15.58 | OpenTokix | kantor: if you have legal issues with GPL, get in contact with the EFF |
| 08:16.24 | wols_ | kantor: you don't have legal issues |
| 08:16.54 | kantor | wols_, do you read my question ? |
| 08:17.27 | Somni | kantor: you haven't mentioned anything about why there would be legal issues, and it's hardly on-topic anyways |
| 08:17.58 | kantor | ok, then I gonna talk with the developers in details . . . |
| 08:18.13 | wols_ | kantor: I did. and now be quiet please unless you have a debian related question |
| 08:18.28 | OpenTokix | any date on Lenny yet? |
| 08:18.47 | wols_ | OpenTokix: /msg dpkg wwlr |
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| 08:20.04 | kantor | wols_, oh . . . so you think this is a big problem ? if I ask not exactly related debian questions. In fact without GNU debian would not exist at all ! |
| 08:20.13 | OpenTokix | wols_: yeah, real good info - smartass |
| 08:20.40 | wols_ | !moron OpenTokix |
| 08:20.40 | dpkg | OpenTokix: You are moron #81 |
| 08:20.51 | OpenTokix | wols_: 80 places behind you |
| 08:20.55 | wols_ | it's the ONLY info available |
| 08:21.06 | OpenTokix | wols_: yeah, no would have sufficed |
| 08:21.18 | Amarande | wols: you know, I *had* a debian related question, and ended up having to go to ##linux with it :( |
| 08:21.40 | wols_ | Amarande: which one? the fglrx one? I told you what happens with it |
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| 08:22.02 | Amarande | wols: you didn't tell me whether not using fakeroot will result in unpackaged files being strewn about the filesystem during package build |
| 08:22.05 | Amarande | which is what my concern is |
| 08:22.22 | wols_ | and the way ati.com does their software/packaging is not adebian problem.if they fuck up it's their problem, nothing debian can do or know |
| 08:22.41 | wols_ | Amarande: cause no one can tell oyu that exceüt ati.com and I told you that |
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| 08:22.58 | Amarande | wols: so I should email ati then? I'd probably get an answer around 2010 :) |
| 08:23.03 | wols_ | and anything #linux told you is simply hearsay and not any thing grounded in reason |
| 08:23.16 | wols_ | if you are lucky.but nothing we can do about this |
| 08:23.17 | Amarande | I mean, we're talking ATI, who can't fix a glaring fatal error in their driver that's been there for several versions now. |
| 08:23.34 | Amarande | debian-wise, radeonhd works awesome, by the way :) |
| 08:23.47 | Amarande | except for the fact that when I load a game, I want to play a game, not watch a powerpoint slide show. :) |
| 08:23.49 | wols_ | but not packaged yet IIRC :( |
| 08:24.01 | Amarande | wols: radeonhd is in lenny |
| 08:24.07 | Amarande | however, lacks DRI support for 3xxx series |
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| 08:24.12 | Amarande | hence why you get 0.1 fps in games |
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| 08:24.47 | Amarande | I'm not even sure it has DRI support for 2xxx series, come to think of it. |
| 08:24.50 | GNU\colossus | hello all |
| 08:25.00 | Amarande | But I don't have a card to test that. |
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| 08:25.26 | GNU\colossus | I'm trying to modify X11's initialisation procedure to not start ssh-agent alone, but also ssh-add passwordless identities afterwards |
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| 08:25.54 | GNU\colossus | however, the custom script I introduced does not see the environment variables set up by execution of ssh-agent in a previosly sourced script |
| 08:26.05 | GNU\colossus | I don't understand how this is possible, any ideas or pointers? |
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| 08:26.27 | Amarande | glxgears is returning 730-750 fps though |
| 08:26.34 | Amarande | odd |
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| 08:29.28 | OpenTokix | Amarande: Glxgears isnt a benchmark |
| 08:29.43 | OpenTokix | Amarande: you probably get 500+ ps on glxgears on an iphone if you try |
| 08:29.48 | joltcan | glxgears is _the_ benchmark! |
| 08:29.49 | joltcan | :) |
| 08:30.00 | OpenTokix | joltcan: haha |
| 08:30.08 | OpenTokix | joltcan: what about tuxracer! |
| 08:30.20 | joltcan | Na, it has to be automatic imho |
| 08:30.25 | OpenTokix | oki |
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| 08:30.27 | OpenTokix | bc -l |
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| 08:30.32 | OpenTokix | scale=500 |
| 08:30.36 | OpenTokix | 4*a(1) |
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| 08:31.40 | joneal | hi |
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| 08:39.04 | AlfaPrimo | ciao |
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| 09:00.38 | Abelian | I have an issue with online banking where my browser, Iceweasel, isn't supported. Firefox3 is. What trick is there for telling it that I am actually, effectively, using firefox3? |
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| 09:02.05 | Maliuta | Abelian: just get one of the many ff addons that lets you change what the browser tells the website about it self |
| 09:02.09 | maligor | there's a firefox extension to modify useragent |
| 09:02.18 | Somni | change your user-agent string, probably; about:config should have it |
| 09:02.21 | Maliuta | maligor: more than one |
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| 09:02.55 | zaggynl | yeah, the userstring is quite annoying, silly licensing issues |
| 09:04.48 | Abelian | Whats the firefox default, Mozilla/3.01? |
| 09:04.54 | Abelian | and cheers for the help guys |
| 09:05.11 | joneal | hi |
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| 09:10.10 | kibibyte | hi |
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| 09:10.28 | kibibyte | im creating debian package with my program but |
| 09:10.40 | kibibyte | what if it depnds of red5 server |
| 09:10.48 | kibibyte | and there is no red5 server package |
| 09:10.50 | kibibyte | :/ |
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| 09:11.49 | zaggynl | so I'm trying to delete an ARP entry, but I keep getting arp: SIOCDARP(dontpub) |
| 09:11.59 | zaggynl | arp -d <name> -v |
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| 09:25.07 | dudeman | Abelian, no, Firefox |
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| 09:28.28 | rofl | su must be run from a terminal |
| 09:28.35 | rofl | how do i trick su into thinking im a terminal? |
| 09:28.47 | themill | run it from a terminal |
| 09:28.50 | rofl | i cant |
| 09:28.59 | et | use sudo |
| 09:29.06 | richo | sudo can be run from anywhere |
| 09:29.15 | richo | anyway, su can be used in scripts, i do it all the time |
| 09:29.23 | rofl | im trying to get root |
| 09:29.28 | rofl | i dont have sudo |
| 09:29.45 | et | install it (using su, from a terminal :p) |
| 09:29.47 | themill | uhuh |
| 09:30.00 | rofl | im using a phpshell because sshd is b0rkd |
| 09:30.01 | rofl | :P |
| 09:30.06 | rofl | ARGH |
| 09:30.33 | js_ | spawn bash from php? |
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| 09:31.34 | rofl | js_: ill try, thx |
| 09:31.42 | rofl | $ /bin/bash |
| 09:31.43 | rofl | $ su |
| 09:31.43 | rofl | su: must be run from a terminal |
| 09:31.44 | rofl | doh |
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| 09:31.55 | rofl | sorry bout that |
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| 09:34.21 | S-i-A | which .log file record all attacked of the server mean hack attacker ? |
| 09:35.03 | Shadur | S-i-A: All of them and none of them. |
| 09:35.58 | S-i-A | Shadur: but i auth.log can i see some thing like atacke with ip address from attacker |
| 09:36.27 | mbroeker | S-i-A, take a look into /var/log/messages and /var/log/auth.log and enter "lastlog" |
| 09:36.59 | S-i-A | mbroeker: good idea thanx |
| 09:37.51 | et | my usb keyboard isn't recognized by the debian installer, is there something I can do about that (other buying a usb/ps2 adapter)? |
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| 09:38.50 | tralala | et, which installer? |
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| 09:39.03 | et | daily snapshot of the lenny installer |
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| 09:39.23 | et | (i need a .26 kernel because of the sata controller) |
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| 09:40.54 | mbroeker | et most motherboard bioses have an option for USB-Legacy Mode. This option makes most usb keyboards act like an ordinary one |
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| 09:42.07 | casp | How do I read my logs in debian? |
| 09:42.26 | tralala | casp, see /var/log |
| 09:42.39 | casp | tralala: thx |
| 09:43.01 | mbroeker | for i in /var/log/*; do $PAGER $i; done |
| 09:43.35 | petemc | you would want to make sure your pager understands gzipped files |
| 09:43.44 | petemc | and you've got a lot of time on your hands... |
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| 09:43.54 | mbroeker | petemc, good point. |
| 09:44.01 | tralala | (s) |
| 09:44.15 | petemc | eval $(LESSPIPE) |
| 09:44.36 | vovkav | hi! What is the easiest way to profile the entire linux system with large granularity? Just to see how much time is spent in kernel-libc-libxxx-apllication? |
| 09:45.01 | casp | What does "Sep 10 01:42:07 casparii-vps sshd[26364]: Accepted publickey for root from 130.243.251.16 port 46796 ssh2 |
| 09:45.05 | casp | " means? |
| 09:45.09 | harpal | Any one know any channel for cisco router configuration? |
| 09:45.34 | tralala | casp, it means someone logged in as root using a ssh key |
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| 09:46.12 | casp | But i have changed my password for the root account, what's an ssh key? |
| 09:46.40 | WormFood | it is a key that is used in place of a password |
| 09:46.56 | WormFood | in theory, it can be more secure |
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| 09:47.25 | WormFood | if it wasn't you, and it is an unauthorized user, then you need to figure out how they got into your machine in the first place, and patch that hole |
| 09:47.42 | tralala | it _is_ more secure because it can't be brute forced (well almost) |
| 09:48.07 | WormFood | yeah....as long as someone doesn't get your private key |
| 09:48.10 | casp | WormFood, But I have a guy who had access to the server, but then I changed the password and thought that it would keep him out. But somehow is in again |
| 09:48.31 | WormFood | well, if he knows what he is doing, then changing the password won't keep him out |
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| 09:48.40 | tralala | casp, delete /root/.ssh/autorized_keys |
| 09:48.56 | casp | tralala: kk |
| 09:48.58 | petemc | you would need to be wary of anything if he had root access |
| 09:49.04 | WormFood | casp, on a side note, I suggest you run your ssh server on a non-standard port, to keep script kiddies from trying to brute force your passwords |
| 09:49.07 | casp | Can I see in my logs what he did when he was logged in? |
| 09:49.14 | tralala | also it's a good idea to disable ssh root logins |
| 09:49.22 | petemc | casp: no, as he could have deleted the logs |
| 09:49.37 | tralala | which apparently he didn't |
| 09:49.45 | WormFood | after I changed my ssh servers to non-standard ports, I got not more script kiddie attempts to brute force their way in, or to find passwordless accounts |
| 09:49.46 | petemc | casp: you could try /root/.bash_history |
| 09:49.56 | tralala | casp, at least you can see how long he was in: man last |
| 09:50.01 | casp | petemc: But he didn't delete the log that said that he logged in at the first time |
| 09:50.06 | WormFood | casp, you may be able to see what he did, depending on if he erased the logs or not |
| 09:50.25 | petemc | casp: thats no indicator he didnt delete other logs |
| 09:50.26 | WormFood | casp, he does not need to delete it to hide what he did, just edit it |
| 09:50.43 | XGas | WormFood: And what port number would that non-standard port number be? :) |
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| 09:50.55 | WormFood | anyways...what tralala said is a good idea too...disable root logins |
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| 09:51.01 | WormFood | XGas, I use port 22 |
| 09:51.09 | WormFood | :P |
| 09:51.16 | XGas | harhar |
| 09:51.33 | WormFood | I'm joking...I really use port 23 |
| 09:51.40 | XGas | oh wow |
| 09:51.57 | S-i-A | mbroeker: i founde ip the attacker, is way to block the ip from the server completely? |
| 09:52.15 | WormFood | not really...of course it would be silly to tell you what port I use....and honestly, I use different ports on different machines |
| 09:52.23 | XGas | WormFood: well, I try to use something off the range of /reserved ports/, anything above 49000 |
| 09:52.30 | mbroeker | S-i-A, sure, but dropping a single non-static ip is useless |
| 09:52.32 | WormFood | one IP address has 3 different SSH servers on it (tunneled to different machines) |
| 09:52.49 | tralala | I use 443. Good for accessing through paranoid proxies |
| 09:52.57 | S-i-A | mbroeker: with static ip is no way? |
| 09:53.15 | WormFood | tralala, that is one way to handle it |
| 09:53.29 | XGas | tralala: good idea on the using port number 443, I will steal your idea. |
| 09:53.30 | ktwilight[m] | but a simple nmap scan on an ip would tell you which port ssh is listening to |
| 09:53.36 | XGas | -the |
| 09:53.38 | ktwilight[m] | so, it's sorta back to square one? |
| 09:53.44 | WormFood | no it won't ktwilight[m] |
| 09:53.52 | tralala | XGas, that would be 10$ |
| 09:54.01 | XGas | good grief. |
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| 09:54.10 | WormFood | nmap will not tell you what service is running on what port, it will just tell you what ports are open |
| 09:54.12 | XGas | Ninja's out |
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| 09:54.21 | WormFood | also, a standard nmap scan only scans common ports |
| 09:54.22 | mbroeker | S-i-A, if the guy has always the same ip, a so called static ip, you can block this ip: another approach will is an entry in /etc/hosts.allow, /etc/hosts.deny |
| 09:54.26 | ktwilight[m] | eh true |
| 09:54.36 | WormFood | so use an uncommon port, and you'd have to scan all ports with nmap |
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| 09:54.46 | ktwilight[m] | which doesn't take long |
| 09:54.50 | S-i-A | mbroeker: ok i do , thanx |
| 09:55.00 | tralala | ktwilight[m], nmap takes too long. Script kiddies tend to scan for the standard port only |
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| 09:55.13 | ktwilight[m] | no kidding |
| 09:55.22 | WormFood | also ktwilight[m], you don't change ssh ports to keep out the dedicated people, you do it to keep the script kiddies from fill up your log files with attempts to login |
| 09:55.27 | ktwilight[m] | guess patience is never part of their vocab |
| 09:55.36 | ktwilight[m] | true too |
| 09:55.42 | locoabout | you should also block a range of ip |
| 09:55.44 | WormFood | they are script kiddies |
| 09:55.51 | WormFood | they have no skills to do anything on their own |
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| 09:55.57 | locoabout | for the case it is a dynamic ip |
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| 09:56.05 | yaroslav | What is the best way to do cp without overwriting? It seems that Darwin has cp -n option while GNU cp does not have it. -u does not help since source may be newer than target. |
| 09:56.12 | WormFood | so, yeah...changing the ssh port will keep out script kiddies |
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| 09:56.18 | tralala | no need to pick the high fruites when therer are plenty of low hanging ones |
| 09:56.23 | WormFood | yaroslav, cp -i |
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| 09:56.42 | yaroslav | WormFood: i need to do it non-interactive, just copy files that does not exist |
| 09:56.48 | mbroeker | S-i-A, http://rafb.net/p/5ib82133.html this entries for my hosts.allow|hosts.deny are sel-explanatory. maybe they are useful for you too |
| 09:57.24 | WormFood | yaroslav, yes n|cp -i |
| 09:57.27 | S-i-A | mbroeker: thanx again |
| 09:57.38 | yaroslav | WormFood: will try, ty |
| 09:57.52 | WormFood | I haven't tried it, but it should work like a charm |
| 09:58.05 | tralala | besides non standard port I also have root and password logins disabled. It would take somebody with sk1llz to break in. |
| 09:59.07 | ktwilight[m] | and if your key is lost? |
| 09:59.15 | WormFood | yaroslav, the -u option may help, but maybe not....try "cp --help" |
| 09:59.17 | ktwilight[m] | you'd need physical access then i guess |
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| 09:59.33 | WormFood | ktwilight[m], yup, or use a password (if you didn't disable password access) |
| 09:59.36 | yaroslav | WormFood: tried ofc, -u is not what i want, but yes thing seem to help. |
| 09:59.40 | tralala | ktwilight[m], I have multiple copies on separate usb keys |
| 09:59.46 | ktwilight[m] | hm |
| 10:00.08 | ktwilight[m] | hmm...maybe i should start to use keys instead then :) |
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| 10:00.22 | WormFood | yaroslav, if you used "-u", you'd probably want to "touch" all your files just to make sure it does not overwrite them....but "yes n" should do the trick |
| 10:00.36 | yaroslav | WormFood: touch will create files as well so.. :) |
| 10:00.52 | yaroslav | and yea, yes works just fine. |
| 10:00.59 | yaroslav | thanks |
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| 10:01.21 | WormFood | yaroslav, "touch *" will not create files :P |
| 10:01.31 | WormFood | yaroslav, another options is to use "tar" to copy the files |
| 10:01.35 | ktwilight[m] | ok, so i'm using lenny, and it fails to startx, there's no fatal error or anything as such in the logs. it just fails. i've done an strace on it, but fails to pick out the problem maker. :/ has anyone encountered this problem? |
| 10:01.58 | WormFood | I'm sure you're thinking tar is for archiving, but it can also be used to copy files |
| 10:02.34 | WormFood | check out the -k option on tar |
| 10:02.46 | WormFood | there is more than one way to skin a cat ;) |
| 10:03.23 | tralala | WormFood, animal terrorist! |
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| 10:03.59 | tralala | points WormFood to several animal rights activist groups |
| 10:04.07 | ktwilight[m] | http://rafb.net/p/Mg0P1S56.html <- that's the strace of startx |
| 10:04.36 | tralala | ktwilight[m], the Xorg log would be much more valuable |
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| 10:04.56 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, fair enough, it doesn't have any WW or EE though |
| 10:05.21 | tralala | ktwilight[m], not even WWs? |
| 10:05.21 | locoabout | perhaps cp --update is good for you. only if the files you dont want to overwrite are newer than the other ones. |
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| 10:06.17 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, http://rafb.net/p/W0BeDd99.html |
| 10:06.23 | ktwilight[m] | that's the Xorg.0.log |
| 10:06.37 | ktwilight[m] | it only has WW on fonts, but that's...normal? |
| 10:06.48 | ktwilight[m] | i've made no changes to configuration file at alll, was just doing an upgrade |
| 10:08.25 | tralala | ktwilight[m], why are you using vesa? |
| 10:08.48 | ktwilight[m] | 'cuz ati don't work for me? |
| 10:09.19 | ktwilight[m] | is it bad to use vesa? :/ |
| 10:09.28 | tralala | let me see a log with ati |
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| 10:09.41 | ktwilight[m] | ... |
| 10:09.50 | ktwilight[m] | so i guess nothing wrong there? |
| 10:10.00 | tralala | not that I can tell |
| 10:10.13 | tralala | vesa is not bad to use, it's just featureless |
| 10:10.22 | ktwilight[m] | meh i don't need those features |
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| 10:10.31 | locoabout | perhaps is stupid what i will say but maybe you dont have the package xfonts-base? |
| 10:10.47 | tralala | ktwilight[m], you probably want xvideo if nothing else |
| 10:11.11 | ktwilight[m] | locoabout, it's installed, 1.0.0-5 |
| 10:11.17 | ktwilight[m] | oh xvideo... |
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| 10:11.33 | ktwilight[m] | well ati also fails |
| 10:13.41 | tralala | ktwilight[m], do you care to paste the log? |
| 10:14.05 | ktwilight[m] | oh ok, sec |
| 10:14.31 | locoabout | do you have /etc/dbus-1/session.d/? |
| 10:14.54 | ktwilight[m] | http://rafb.net/p/WNBIJV33.html ati log |
| 10:15.15 | ktwilight[m] | locoabout, yup, it's a directory |
| 10:15.29 | ktwilight[m] | no contents though |
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| 10:17.12 | tralala | ktwilight[m], and the xorg.conf? |
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| 10:18.12 | tralala | ktwilight[m], only 64MB video ram? |
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| 10:18.41 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, well, it's a built-in card, so... |
| 10:18.44 | ktwilight[m] | and i don't require much |
| 10:19.14 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, http://rafb.net/p/SsEq8Z55.html xorg.conf |
| 10:19.47 | Agiofws | can anyone give me a solution for this ... |
| 10:19.49 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~/extracted/pftrack-4.1r4-ple-linux$pftrack-ple |
| 10:19.50 | Agiofws | /usr/local/pftrack/bin/pftrack-ple: error while loading shared libraries: libtiff.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No su |
| 10:20.12 | Agiofws | can debian get libtiff.so.3 ? |
| 10:20.16 | tralala | ktwilight[m], what happens if you start x without xorg.conf? |
| 10:21.30 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, it throws an EE Unable to locate/open config file |
| 10:21.42 | ktwilight[m] | well wait, there's more. i'll paste the log |
| 10:22.02 | locoabout | did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 10:22.24 | ktwilight[m] | locoabout, nope, i thought it's pointles 'cuz that'd just reconfigure xorg.conf |
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| 10:23.02 | ktwilight[m] | http://rafb.net/p/wTEFe486.html without xorg.conf |
| 10:23.10 | Agiofws | /usr/local/pftrack/bin/pftrack-ple: error while loading shared libraries: libtiff.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory can anyone tell me how to install that lib ? in debian ? |
| 10:23.28 | locoabout | it seem to me a fonts path problem. but well, i'm just a newbie :P |
| 10:24.19 | ktwilight[m] | locoabout, yea, that's what i thought to...but...am stuck as far as that :P |
| 10:24.24 | locoabout | dpkg -l xfonts-\* | grep ^ii |
| 10:24.25 | dpkg | No packages found matching xfonts-\* | grep ^ii |
| 10:24.39 | ktwilight[m] | they are installed, and i've also reinstalled 'em |
| 10:25.14 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.37 | locoabout | Agiofws, yes, just apt-get install libtiff4 |
| 10:26.06 | Agiofws | i did the apps though needs libtiff.so.3 ! |
| 10:26.09 | Agiofws | ffs |
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| 10:27.14 | tralala | ktwilight[m], take the generated xorg.conf and remove the fbdev section |
| 10:27.20 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, just did |
| 10:27.28 | ktwilight[m] | pasting the log now |
| 10:27.31 | Paul_UK1 | hi all. i have perl-DBI installed on lenny. Its version 1.605-1. If I wanted to roll back to 1.53 which is on ETCH. How do I go about this? If I remove perl-DBI it will ask for several other components to be removed, which im not sure if I want. How do I keep all its dependencies but just downgrade? Whats the best way forward? |
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| 10:27.53 | themill | dpkg: tell Paul_UK1 about downgrade |
| 10:28.20 | Paul_UK1 | themill: ok thanks |
| 10:28.28 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, http://rafb.net/p/QwAgOV80.html |
| 10:28.42 | themill | Paul_UK1: are you having trouble with API changes in perl dbi? |
| 10:28.53 | tralala | Paul_UK1, you could try building a lenny package for 1.53. See /msg dpkg ssb |
| 10:28.58 | locoabout | Agiofws, ln -s /usr/lib/libtiff.so.4 /usr/lib/libtiff.so.3 |
| 10:29.33 | Paul_UK1 | themill: im not sure what it is. Im just going thru the process of downgrading the packages that are a higher version of etch that works with my bespoke application. |
| 10:30.09 | tralala | ktwilight[m], that's not the generated config |
| 10:30.24 | ktwilight[m] | ? |
| 10:30.56 | tralala | ktwilight[m], I need you to copy the config that was generated when you ran X without xorg.conf |
| 10:30.57 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, you mean you want to see the .conf? or the log? |
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| 10:31.21 | ktwilight[m] | ok, i did copy the important parts, i.e. the modules and driver. the rest i pretty much keep the same. or should i keep it exactly the same? :/ |
| 10:31.26 | themill | Paul_UK1: I don't think you're likely to be able to stick the etch package into lenny. There version of perl is different so compiled xs magic stuff is going to fail badly, even if Perl did find it. Try "backporting" the package as tralala suggested (except it will be taking etch source and then "forward" porting) |
| 10:31.34 | ktwilight[m] | there's no output of the .conf so, not sure exactly how i can copy it. |
| 10:31.42 | ktwilight[m] | except looking through the logs and enable/disable whatever |
| 10:32.08 | tralala | ktwilight[m], it's in your paste |
| 10:32.27 | tralala | lines 89-144 |
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| 10:32.49 | ktwilight[m] | doh! |
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| 10:35.04 | locoabout | ktwilight[m], in you xorg.conf are some paths to fonts... do they really exist? |
| 10:35.18 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, http://rafb.net/p/OhoJkI61.html |
| 10:35.23 | ktwilight[m] | locoabout, nope, some don't |
| 10:35.33 | ktwilight[m] | disabling 'em didn't help |
| 10:35.41 | darkk^ | is there anything like gentoo's "world" in debian? I mean any easy way to find top-level packages that pull rest the system using dependency information. |
| 10:37.12 | tralala | ktwilight[m], try disabling aiglx |
| 10:37.18 | ktwilight[m] | k |
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| 10:37.53 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, how do i go about it? it's not in xorg.conf |
| 10:38.03 | locoabout | at the end |
| 10:38.09 | ktwilight[m] | ah, nevermind |
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| 10:38.37 | locoabout | i would comment the entire Section "Files" |
| 10:38.42 | locoabout | and see what happens |
| 10:38.59 | ktwilight[m] | locoabout, am using a strip down xorg.conf ;) |
| 10:39.02 | Paul_UK1 | themill: so i get the [libdbi-perl_1.53.orig.tar.gz] from backports and then just run dh-make-perl against it? |
| 10:39.17 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, comment Load "glx" doesn't do? how do i go about disabling aiglx? |
| 10:39.19 | enouf | ktwilight[m]: why are both vga and radeon loading> |
| 10:39.21 | enouf | ? |
| 10:39.34 | ktwilight[m] | enouf, beats me, that's what xorg generated for me |
| 10:39.41 | Paul_UK1 | themill: wait theres instructions from tralala about ssb |
| 10:39.56 | ktwilight[m] | enouf, http://rafb.net/p/wTEFe486.html line 89 onwards |
| 10:40.08 | enouf | ktwilight[m]: well, i would think your ati binary crap messed you up - if you did use that prior |
| 10:40.18 | ktwilight[m] | i ain't using ati |
| 10:40.27 | enouf | you haven't? |
| 10:40.39 | ktwilight[m] | ah got it, on how to disable aiglx |
| 10:40.41 | enouf | ain't == present tense |
| 10:40.42 | ktwilight[m] | enouf, using radeon |
| 10:40.49 | enouf | you ain't using anything atm :-P |
| 10:41.19 | enouf | usually aiglx errors aren't an issue - but maybe moreso for ati cards, dunno for sure |
| 10:41.47 | ktwilight[m] | also maybe why i use vesa in the beginning ;) |
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| 10:42.30 | ktwilight[m] | http://rafb.net/p/HObHes17.html without aiglx |
| 10:42.34 | enouf | ktwilight[m]: tthe Xorg vga module is not the kernel vesafb.ko used for VGA in console |
| 10:42.35 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, ^ |
| 10:42.43 | enouf | Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//vesa_drv.so |
| 10:43.14 | themill | Paul_UK1: follow dpkg's "ssb" instructions, but use "etch" instead of "sid" in your deb-src line and double check you get the etch source package from apt-get source. (You might need to apt-get -t etch source ....). |
| 10:43.16 | themill | Paul_UK1: Hopefully building the package you build will even work... but I can't promise that. The DBI and DBD libraries will have dependencies that aren't necessarily reflected in the debian dependencies. You'll be using a package combination that has never been used before so is completely untested. |
| 10:43.51 | enouf | ktwilight[m]: start reinstalling shit , xorg, libgl1-mesa-* pkgs |
| 10:43.52 | ktwilight[m] | i erally wonder if it's really the fonts problem |
| 10:43.56 | ktwilight[m] | i did |
| 10:44.03 | ktwilight[m] | apt-get install --reinstall <pkg> |
| 10:44.07 | ktwilight[m] | or is that wrong? |
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| 10:44.29 | enouf | ktwilight[m]: remove/comment out any odd modules from /etc/modules |
| 10:44.30 | locoabout | you could first --purge remove and then reinstall |
| 10:44.47 | enouf | ktwilight[m]: yeah, as locoabout said |
| 10:44.49 | tralala | ktwilight[m], I don't think so |
| 10:44.55 | ktwilight[m] | ? |
| 10:45.05 | Paul_UK1 | themill: sure thanks. |
| 10:45.14 | ktwilight[m] | enouf, no oddities in /etc/modules |
| 10:45.15 | tralala | try to install xserver-xorg-video-radeon-dbg. |
| 10:45.41 | ktwilight[m] | done |
| 10:45.43 | ktwilight[m] | and run through it again? |
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| 10:46.05 | enouf | omg - you have 3 drivers loading O_o |
| 10:46.13 | enouf | vga + vesa + radeon :-P |
| 10:46.18 | ktwilight[m] | blame X |
| 10:46.19 | ktwilight[m] | ;) |
| 10:46.39 | enouf | dude, you br0k3n3d it |
| 10:46.55 | ktwilight[m] | ... |
| 10:46.56 | tralala | enouf, that's not the issue |
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| 10:47.29 | enouf | alright ... |
| 10:47.32 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, it's installed, would i need to enable anything to kick it? |
| 10:47.42 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, i've run startx and looked at the log, it looks pretty much the same to me... |
| 10:47.51 | ktwilight[m] | http://rafb.net/p/dFEENu99.html |
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| 10:48.08 | enouf | it seems very odd to me - but you seem to know more about ati than i do, so have at it ;-) |
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| 10:48.28 | ktwilight[m] | enouf, scroll all the way up.... |
| 10:48.45 | ktwilight[m] | enouf, i use vesa, no other drivers loaded, it still don't boot. no errors no warnings (except warnings about font paths) |
| 10:48.47 | tralala | ktwilight[m], what do you have in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/? |
| 10:49.16 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, lots of drivers. i'll paste the output |
| 10:49.27 | tralala | the fontpath warnings are for obsolete locations |
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| 10:50.49 | IRCMonkey | I've install amaya (libwww-ssl0 and amaya from unstable; the rest is testing). It crashes after a few second with the message: (amaya_bin:13560): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_set_colormap: assertion `!GTK_WIDGET_REALIZED (widget)' failed |
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| 10:51.10 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, http://rafb.net/p/J6L5II91.html |
| 10:51.19 | ktwilight[m] | hm, the output sucks :/ |
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| 10:51.55 | IRCMonkey | and also amaya-data amaya-doc ttf-freefont is unstable |
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| 10:52.20 | tralala | ktwilight[m], nervermind, change the driver to radeonhd |
| 10:52.40 | tralala | ktwilight[m], also check what exactly is installed by the -dbg package |
| 10:53.49 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, what do you mean by that dbg package? :/ |
| 10:54.47 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, with radeonhd http://rafb.net/p/qsfbyh17.html |
| 10:54.49 | tralala | ktwilight[m], the one I told you to install. |
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| 10:55.45 | PiousMinion | What package provides the "svn" command? |
| 10:55.51 | ktwilight[m] | subversion |
| 10:56.03 | ktwilight[m] | PiousMinion, ^ |
| 10:56.10 | PiousMinion | thanks |
| 10:56.22 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, hm, apt-file says only docs, nothing more nothing less?! |
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| 10:57.19 | tralala | ktwilight[m], dpkg -L |
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| 10:57.36 | ktwilight[m] | ah that |
| 10:58.34 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, http://rafb.net/p/HVB07999.html |
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| 11:00.26 | Paul_UK1 | hi all, im trying to rebuild etch libdbi-perl but it keeps on getting lennys version. here is my sources.list i've tried commenting it out. can someone tell me the correct urls? http://pastebin.com/m208e947d |
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| 11:01.03 | ktwilight[m] | Paul_UK1, you're using a lenny CD |
| 11:01.11 | fireba11 | Paul_UK1: you remembered to do a apt-get update ? |
| 11:01.19 | Paul_UK1 | yeah i did do apt-get update |
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| 11:01.27 | ktwilight[m] | Paul_UK1, uncomment line 6 and replace the word lenny with etch |
| 11:01.35 | ktwilight[m] | and comment out line 4 |
| 11:01.39 | ktwilight[m] | then run update and instlal |
| 11:01.58 | ktwilight[m] | you'd want line 9 uncomment and changed to etch too |
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| 11:02.09 | CAiRO_HH | hi |
| 11:02.19 | CAiRO_HH | is there a way to detect if rsync has tranferred files or not? |
| 11:02.26 | lazyfrosch | -v |
| 11:02.37 | CAiRO_HH | i mean with a script |
| 11:02.47 | CAiRO_HH | like an exit code or something |
| 11:02.55 | fireba11 | CAiRO_HH: running it via cron with -v will mail you the results .. |
| 11:03.10 | badserii | Hi! I installed Apache, and other computers, when accessing my ip, can see that it's working, but when I try to enter "localhost" or "127.0.0.1" or even my ip, I can't. And even when I do ping myself, no response comes. Is it normal? I'm using Dreamlinux (/etc/debian_version tess that I'm lenny/sid). Thank you in advance. |
| 11:03.17 | Paul_UK1 | ktwilight[m]: this is what it is now: http://pastebin.com/m618bb2c6 what do i need to change to etch? |
| 11:03.33 | CAiRO_HH | i need to run another script if rsync has transferred files |
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| 11:04.06 | fireba11 | badserii : whatever dreamlinux is it's not debian even if it is based on it |
| 11:04.13 | lazyfrosch | CAiRO_HH: return code is 0 everything everything was successful, this includes a empty transfer... |
| 11:04.29 | CAiRO_HH | lazyfrosch: yes, that's my problem :) |
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| 11:04.42 | ktwilight[m] | Paul_UK1, |
| 11:04.43 | ktwilight[m] | http://rafb.net/p/IKu5WE50.html |
| 11:04.58 | tralala | ktwilight[m], can you link the dbg driver to the drivers dir (say radeondbg_drv.so) and use it in the conf? |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libtiff.so.3' returned no results. |
| 11:05.02 | fireba11 | CAiRO_HH : file the output somewhere and parse it in the second script for number of files transferred ? |
| 11:05.25 | CAiRO_HH | well, yes, i hoped i could avoid parsing the output |
| 11:05.53 | fireba11 | CAiRO_HH: understandable but i don't see another way |
| 11:05.54 | Paul_UK1 | ktwilight[m]: thanks! |
| 11:05.59 | lazyfrosch | CAiRO_HH: but i guess its the only way :-) |
| 11:06.07 | tralala | ktwilight[m], actually you need the radeonhd driver (and the dbg one) |
| 11:06.14 | petemc | there are plenty of rsync wrappers |
| 11:06.33 | Paul_UK1 | ls |
| 11:06.52 | CAiRO_HH | ok, thanks |
| 11:07.27 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, o |
| 11:07.29 | Paul_UK1 | i've done apt-get update and its still pulling lennys ver. im doing apt-get -t etch-backports build-dep libdbi-perl and then apt-get -t etch-backports -b source libdbi-perl. It builts 1.605-1 instead of 1.53 |
| 11:07.31 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, lemme redo it |
| 11:08.26 | fireba11 | Paul_UK1 : and how the hell do you expect to get an etch version from etch-backports ? |
| 11:09.38 | Paul_UK1 | fireba11: quite frankly no idea, i dont use debian at all and since im changing sources to etch from lenny. im hoping that it would grab it from backports repository. so im guessing it cant do this and i will have to manually build it? |
| 11:09.57 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, http://rafb.net/p/ap6cvU66.html cool, it looks a bit more useful now :) |
| 11:10.05 | fireba11 | Paul_UK1: etch-backports are backports from lenny FOR etch systems |
| 11:10.37 | Paul_UK1 | fireba11. oh... ok. is there a way of putting etch binaries into lenny? |
| 11:11.01 | ktwilight[m] | Paul_UK1, what are you trying to do? |
| 11:11.11 | ktwilight[m] | Paul_UK1, to run an etch application in your lenny box? |
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| 11:12.06 | Paul_UK1 | ktwilight[m]: i have a bespoke application. it runs perfectly fine with etch. it doesnt work with lenny. i think because it is due to some perl libraries being a higher version. i.e etch libdbi-perl is 1.53 and lenny libdbi-perl is 1.605-1. I want to see if I downgrade certain packages, if my app then works. |
| 11:12.27 | ktwilight[m] | then run apt-get install -t etch <name of pkg> |
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| 11:12.40 | themill | Paul_UK1: don't do that |
| 11:12.41 | tralala | ktwilight[m], so it might be a font issue after all. Try stopping/removing/disabling freetype first |
| 11:13.03 | remoteCTR1 | hi guys! i need help on what cd to choose please, somehow i am to stoopid to burn a debian cd as it seems... |
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| 11:13.31 | tralala | Paul_UK1, didn't I tell you to try building it yourself? |
| 11:13.31 | themill | ktwilight[m]: perl in etch and lenny are very different packages. You can't mix perl modules between the two releases. |
| 11:13.31 | locoabout | remoteCTR1, what computer do you have? |
| 11:13.47 | remoteCTR1 | locoabout: it is a hp proliant server 64 bit and i would like to use lenny |
| 11:13.49 | ktwilight[m] | themill, o |
| 11:14.05 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, hmm.... |
| 11:14.28 | remoteCTR1 | locoabout: i tryed two different isos from here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ but for some reason that i dont understand they dont boot... |
| 11:14.41 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, disabling freetype yield the same result |
| 11:15.35 | ktwilight[m] | hm wait, commenting it didn't disable it :/ |
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| 11:16.39 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: and you a sure it is not a ia64 computer? |
| 11:17.00 | remoteCTR1 | lazyfrosch: what is a ia64 computer? |
| 11:17.02 | locoabout | remoteCTR1, you mean the cd doesn't boot? did you change the boot priority? |
| 11:17.09 | remoteCTR1 | locoabout: sure |
| 11:17.26 | remoteCTR1 | locoabout: i even chose to boot from cd manually in the f7 menu |
| 11:18.01 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/IA-64 it the old 64bit arch from Intel, used in Itanium 1+2 |
| 11:18.01 | remoteCTR1 | it is a hp dl180g5+ with a xeon 5404 cpu |
| 11:18.12 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: sry german link |
| 11:18.21 | remoteCTR1 | lazyfrosch: nope that thing was delivered yesterday so it basically shouldnt be old |
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| 11:18.31 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: right :-) |
| 11:18.32 | remoteCTR1 | lazyfrosch: np i understand that;) |
| 11:18.37 | locoabout | if it doesn't boot you didn't burn it well? |
| 11:19.14 | remoteCTR1 | locoabout: well i can open both cds when i insert them normally into a running system but there doesnt seem to be anything on it that causes a computer to boot from it |
| 11:19.27 | locoabout | how did you burn it? |
| 11:19.42 | remoteCTR1 | there is a autorun.inf anf a autorun.bat, some md5 checksums, some html links and some folders on it |
| 11:19.51 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: have you tried another cd, e.g. the smart start cd from HP |
| 11:19.58 | remoteCTR1 | locoabout: i chose burn image in gnomebaker |
| 11:20.35 | remoteCTR1 | lazyfrosch: its not a problem of boot priority or of the cdrom itself if you mean that i had no porbs launching an ubuntu live cd... |
| 11:20.52 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: strange |
| 11:20.56 | remoteCTR1 | it is |
| 11:21.00 | themill | !check iso image |
| 11:21.00 | dpkg | Test that an iso image was burned correctly by comparing the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum |
| 11:21.12 | remoteCTR1 | isnt there supposed to be some vmlinuz on the cd? |
| 11:21.13 | lazyfrosch | i love this bot :-) |
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| 11:21.48 | remoteCTR1 | uff |
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| 11:21.56 | remoteCTR1 | umm sec. ill try that out |
| 11:22.12 | locoabout | remoteCTR1, no, there isnt |
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| 11:22.49 | remoteCTR1 | locoabout: so a booting computer is able to "comprehend" that it needs to search for setup files in a folder called dist? |
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| 11:23.37 | locoabout | well, i don't know how exactly it works. i just know my debian hasn't a vmlinuz and it boots. enough for me. |
| 11:23.55 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: the vmlinuz is within install.amd |
| 11:24.08 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: the cd itself is booting the isolinux bootloader |
| 11:24.16 | lazyfrosch | which then boots vmlinuz if requested |
| 11:24.23 | simonrvn | wonders wtf system that is... "doesn't sound like debian to me" |
| 11:24.30 | remoteCTR1 | ya in that case some isolinux bootloader ought to be located on the cd right? |
| 11:25.17 | locoabout | yes but that is after it boots |
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| 11:25.39 | remoteCTR1 | gimme a sec pls i will paste the contents of the cd |
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| 11:27.29 | remoteCTR1 | looks like this: http://paste.debian.net/16889/ |
| 11:28.51 | Paul_UK1 | ktwilight[m]: apt-get install -t etch <package> says the package is already the newest version. tralala, building the lenny package using ssb method you pointed out, only builds 1.605, unless i have the wrong source? |
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| 11:30.46 | remoteCTR1 | is a debian cd content supposed to look like that? |
| 11:31.16 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: well i have a netinstall cd here, and i'm missing at least "isolinux" directory in your listing |
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| 11:31.35 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: what iso is this? |
| 11:31.37 | remoteCTR1 | lazyfrosch: aha! thats what i thought |
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| 11:32.21 | remoteCTR1 | this is cd iso nr 29 from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 11:32.45 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: uhm, why have you downloaded 29? |
| 11:32.46 | remoteCTR1 | so those isos are f***ed up or whut? |
| 11:32.54 | Legality | Thoughts or ideas regarding this? System user is normally listed in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow(password) but authentication does not succeed |
| 11:33.02 | remoteCTR1 | lazyfrosch: i also had a try on 31 but same effect |
| 11:33.08 | Legality | SSH is not resctricted by IP or username |
| 11:33.37 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: only cd-1 is bootable, the rest is just for installing extra packages |
| 11:33.44 | paxcoder | Legality: wrong username? :-) |
| 11:33.49 | remoteCTR1 | !!!!!!!!! |
| 11:33.52 | paxcoder | *sry password. i meant password |
| 11:33.54 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: yepp :-) |
| 11:34.01 | Legality | hehe :> no, correct username and password |
| 11:34.02 | themill | Paul_UK1: [11:43] <themill> Paul_UK1: follow dpkg's "ssb" instructions, but use "etch" instead of "sid" in your deb-src line and double check you get the etch source package from apt-get source. (You might need to apt-get -t etch source ....). |
| 11:34.03 | remoteCTR1 | gawd dammit why doenst anyone tell you that:D |
| 11:34.16 | simonrvn | rtfm |
| 11:34.32 | remoteCTR1 | simonrvn: talking to whom? |
| 11:34.35 | paxcoder | Legality: only remote doesn't work or at all? |
| 11:34.41 | lazyfrosch | relax guys :-) |
| 11:34.47 | Legality | paxcoder: how do ya mean? |
| 11:34.52 | simonrvn | !ig |
| 11:34.53 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r4 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
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| 11:34.59 | remoteCTR1 | klugscheisserrrrrr |
| 11:35.19 | paxcoder | Legality: you say you can't log in by ssh. Can you log in on the machine? |
| 11:35.24 | simonrvn | is quite chill atm |
| 11:35.33 | Paul_UK1 | themill: sure i am following the instructions. but im not sure which is the correct syntax for the deb-src. http://rafb.net/p/n2cfSJ95.html - is correct? |
| 11:35.34 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: xD |
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| 11:35.59 | Legality | damn |
| 11:36.07 | tralala | ktwilight[m], any progress? |
| 11:36.08 | Legality | paxcoder: it's allowed user issue |
| 11:36.13 | themill | Paul_UK1: not even close. Why do you want a deb-src line for backports.org? |
| 11:36.47 | themill | Paul_UK1: You want a deb-src line like line 7 but for etch not lenny |
| 11:37.21 | Paul_UK1 | themill: my experience with this is showing im sure. i dont know what the correct deb-src line is. i was following advice from ktwilight[m] |
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| 11:37.26 | paxcoder | Legality: you mean the user is not allowed to use ssh? |
| 11:38.08 | Legality | I got it already, stupid mistake |
| 11:38.12 | Legality | acccess only accepted for root |
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| 11:38.35 | paxcoder | ok, post the solution plz. so the readers of log will know (and us) |
| 11:38.52 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: i'd like to recommend a netinstall cd for you |
| 11:39.02 | simonrvn | remoteCTR1: scheissehund |
| 11:39.08 | remoteCTR1 | muahahaha |
| 11:39.26 | Paul_UK1 | themill: http://rafb.net/p/tEEAwQ41.html this better? |
| 11:39.47 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: this cd only contains everything needed for booting and installing a linux |
| 11:39.48 | remoteCTR1 | simonrvn: i see your german speaking capabilities are similar to your capabilities of contributing useful information |
| 11:40.05 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: but this is only useful if you have a good inet connection :-) |
| 11:40.08 | simonrvn | my german is worse |
| 11:40.10 | remoteCTR1 | lazyfrosch: i would prefert hat one anyways but where to get it? |
| 11:40.33 | themill | Paul_UK1: yeah, that's better. apt-get update and then apt-get source -t etch <packagename> |
| 11:40.40 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: well i'm wondering why they are missing in the weekly build |
| 11:40.55 | paxcoder | Legality? |
| 11:41.28 | Legality | Only root user was allowed to access SSH |
| 11:41.32 | remoteCTR1 | lazyfrosch: i tried to install it from an etch cd on the first attempt but it didnt recognize half of the hardware... |
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| 11:42.01 | paxcoder | Legality: yeah, well I meant how did you solve it (ie command/ config change etc) |
| 11:42.10 | simonrvn | ota ... |
| 11:42.18 | Legality | seriously paxcoder? |
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| 11:42.32 | paxcoder | Legality: yeah, I don't know. |
| 11:42.35 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: oh i know :-) I also have "some" HP boxes around here, but (I'm sorry for that) running with redhat ^^ |
| 11:42.50 | paxcoder | maybe i could use the man, but i'd rather you tell me if it's not too long. |
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| 11:43.15 | remoteCTR1 | lazyfrosch: well i understand that well, if i were able to properly configure lvm with ubuntu i'd use thaat:) |
| 11:43.19 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-LennyBeta2-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 11:43.24 | Legality | paxcoder: /etc/ssh/sshd_config had line "AllowUsers root" which caused that the system did not allow any other system user in |
| 11:43.40 | remoteCTR1 | lazyfrosch: isnt that beta from june or so? |
| 11:43.42 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: ubuntu is for newbee desktops :-) |
| 11:43.45 | paxcoder | Legality: k. thanks. |
| 11:44.01 | remoteCTR1 | lazyfrosch: or for debian servers but with hardware supply:D |
| 11:44.13 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: yes, but that doesn't matter, the packages are pulled directly from the ftp servers |
| 11:44.33 | Paul_UK1 | themill: its still taking from lennys repository : http://rafb.net/p/Ljnbvl76.html |
| 11:44.35 | remoteCTR1 | i see |
| 11:44.55 | remoteCTR1 | hardware support i meant |
| 11:45.09 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: this is only a bootable cd with debinstaller on it |
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| 11:45.45 | remoteCTR1 | lazyfrosch: ok here we go with cd1 instead of 29 |
| 11:45.54 | remoteCTR1 | lazyfrosch: i see |
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| 11:46.46 | remoteCTR1 | gawd! |
| 11:46.51 | remoteCTR1 | i get a boot menu:D |
| 11:47.39 | themill | Paul_UK1: did you run apt-get update? |
| 11:47.44 | Paul_UK1 | themill: yes |
| 11:47.45 | remoteCTR1 | well they should seriously put a readme into that download folder |
| 11:48.26 | geek | lol. actually i think thats stated in the installation documents on the debian website |
| 11:48.30 | lazyfrosch | cheer |
| 11:48.36 | lazyfrosch | +s |
| 11:48.46 | remoteCTR1 | hehehe |
| 11:48.50 | remoteCTR1 | installer is new, hm? |
| 11:48.51 | themill | remoteCTR1: because starting with CD 29 seemed to be the obvious thing to do? |
| 11:48.57 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: that download folder is for pros |
| 11:48.59 | lazyfrosch | ^^ |
| 11:49.13 | remoteCTR1 | themill: because starting with the newest version is the obvious thing to do? |
| 11:49.19 | remoteCTR1 | :D |
| 11:49.25 | themill | remoteCTR1: they all have the same date |
| 11:49.32 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ -- read :-) |
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| 11:50.12 | remoteCTR1 | themill: but different timestamps |
| 11:50.26 | themill | remoteCTR1: yes, and #29 is not the most recent. |
| 11:50.48 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: "The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system. |
| 11:50.49 | lazyfrosch | To avoid needless downloads, please do not download other CD or DVD image files unless you know that you need packages on them." |
| 11:50.56 | remoteCTR1 | themill: no 31 is and that one didnt work either |
| 11:51.10 | remoteCTR1 | can we by now stop smartassing arround again pllease? |
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| 11:51.31 | remoteCTR1 | lazyfrosch: well then youre supposed to find that page first*g* |
| 11:51.32 | Paul_UK1 | themill: my apt-get result: http://rafb.net/p/W6i6be81.html |
| 11:51.38 | themill | remoteCTR1: no it's not. #9 is. You fail at even reading dates. (well, actually, the XFCE one is the newest) |
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| 11:51.54 | remoteCTR1 | i mean he who can read clearly has an advantage:D fair enuff but after all... |
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| 11:52.26 | remoteCTR1 | themill: ok man you are so right and i am so stupid i know |
| 11:52.43 | themill | Paul_UK1: I'm not sure what to make of this. With the identical sources.list to you, "apt-get source -t etch libdbi-perl" picks up the etch source. |
| 11:52.50 | remoteCTR1 | PLEASE whiplash me abit through the channel I DESERVE IT |
| 11:52.53 | Paul_UK1 | themill: only when i commented out lenny in sources, does it finally pull the right one lol |
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| 11:53.15 | themill | remoteCTR1: probably not stupid, just too lazy to read. If you're using testing, you *really* need to read. |
| 11:54.13 | themill | Paul_UK1: odd. But at least you have it now. Just remember to uncomment the lenny sources in the future so you don't get nasty surprises. |
| 11:54.19 | ktwilight[m] | Paul_UK1, :/ i didn't put any deb-src in my example sheesh |
| 11:54.39 | ktwilight[m] | tralala, just had lunch, trying out now |
| 11:54.50 | Paul_UK1 | ktwilight[m]: sorry i wasnt having a go. to be honest there were so many people telling me to do stuff. i got confused. so dont worry. |
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| 11:57.26 | remoteCTR1 | themill: well thanks for patronizing pal i really wouldnt know how to live without that |
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| 11:59.12 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~/lime$wine Setup.exe |
| 11:59.12 | Agiofws | /usr/lib/wine/wine.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libwine.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:59.12 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:59.19 | enouf | whoa |
| 11:59.31 | Agiofws | hi enouf |
| 11:59.33 | enouf | thanks for the paste Agiofws |
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| 12:00.13 | ktwilight[m] | hm, i can't find the command line that forcefully reinstalls everything via dpkg, instead of using apt-get. |
| 12:00.14 | themill | remoteCTR1: well you seem to be failing at reading or are too lazy to read. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and calling you a lazy sob rather than a dumb one, but it's your choice. Please remember that us spending our time helping you with things that are clearly documented is a waste of our time. |
| 12:00.35 | enouf | !tell ktwilight[m] about reinstall |
| 12:00.36 | ktwilight[m] | IIRC, using apt-get --reinstall wasn't good enough, but via dpkg pretty much solved it. that was long time ago though |
| 12:00.43 | ktwilight[m] | enouf, already done that. it doesn't have it |
| 12:01.16 | enouf | ktwilight[m]: i have no idea why you would want to reinstall all your pkgs |
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| 12:01.36 | ktwilight[m] | only the font packages |
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| 12:04.26 | Agiofws | can anyone tell me what i should do for this error ? |
| 12:04.33 | remoteCTR1 | themill: problem is your socalled giving of benefit follows an assumption. the one that i found the site by clicking through the debian site, which i dindt, but i found it by googling. so i did not see that site explaining what image to choose and as a result i was neither too lazy nor too stupid. i suggest you work out your ettiquette, that should keep you from offending ppl who come here in good faith and in search for help |
| 12:04.39 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/26158 |
| 12:04.45 | themill | Agiofws: from where did you get your wine packages? |
| 12:04.49 | enouf | Agiofws: i don't use wine, and never have |
| 12:05.02 | Agiofws | themill, apt-get |
| 12:05.14 | wols_ | Agiofws: not a proper answer |
| 12:05.17 | themill | Agiofws: from debian's repos? |
| 12:05.20 | enouf | but usually, 1st thing is to make sure you have the files needed - use apt-file |
| 12:05.41 | themill | remoteCTR1: so you just randomly download things burn them, try them without looking for documentation? nice. |
| 12:05.43 | lazyfrosch | themill: everyone is starting small (about remoteCTR1) |
| 12:06.23 | Agiofws | wols_, $paste < /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:06.24 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/RxWN1k36.html |
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| 12:07.06 | wols_ | Agiofws: deosn't tell us where the wine deb is from |
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| 12:07.22 | remoteCTR1 | themill: as a matter of fact i do because i assume that they work and i dont have the time after all to read a novel on everything that i plan to do |
| 12:07.22 | themill | Agiofws: can you pastebin: "apt-cache policy wine" for us? |
| 12:07.38 | themill | remoteCTR1: that's not our problem then. |
| 12:07.38 | remoteCTR1 | lazyfrosch: sorry i wasnt able to read that before i droped out? |
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| 12:07.44 | enouf | might as well do libc6 too |
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| 12:07.49 | remoteCTR1 | themill: you problem is you manners man |
| 12:08.03 | wols_ | remoteCTR1: do you have a debian related question? |
| 12:08.11 | Agiofws | giofws@ixus:~/pfhoe-pro$apt-cache policy wine | paste |
| 12:08.11 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/PHYBll97.html |
| 12:08.21 | Agiofws | themill, |
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| 12:08.44 | themill | Agiofws: so where is your wine from? apt doesn't think it installed it. |
| 12:09.21 | Antaga | Yop! |
| 12:09.22 | Agiofws | themill, Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/wEqwzy55.htm ? |
| 12:09.39 | lazyfrosch | there are strange people around here, nobody demands you helping, but everyone is happy if you help |
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| 12:09.52 | remoteCTR1 | wols_: as a matter of fact i do and i am seriously not keen on this kindergarden chickenshit |
| 12:09.56 | themill | Agiofws: err... no it can't |
| 12:10.07 | enouf | us strangers are everywhere :-p |
| 12:10.19 | remoteCTR1 | how can i manually pick sizes for lvm volumes during setup? |
| 12:10.21 | Agiofws | no it cant what ? |
| 12:10.36 | lazyfrosch | and if you don't want to answer to a stupid question, don't answer |
| 12:10.38 | themill | Agiofws: "your paste can be found"... that url is 404 |
| 12:10.39 | wols_ | remoteCTR1: we are not keen on morons like you eihter.either you have a debian related support question or you stfu. this is not a rant channel even if you want to make it one |
| 12:11.08 | enouf | remoteCTR1: the F1-F10 keys, as well as the install guide should have useful info |
| 12:11.25 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~/pfhoe-pro$apt-cache policy wine | paste |
| 12:11.25 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/Nw98Xm79.html |
| 12:11.30 | Agiofws | themill, now ? |
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| 12:11.40 | enouf | Agiofws: ease up - just show the URL, not all the other cruft |
| 12:11.44 | themill | remoteCTR1: I have more than enough patience for people who want to help themselves. If you want people to do everything for you then pay a consultant. If you want to do it yourself, then at least attempt to read some docs before making your problem our problem. We like to solve real problems to make debian better, rather than solving non-problems for people who don't want to help themselves. |
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| 12:12.05 | remoteCTR1 | wols_: yeah right now its me, am i supposed to just shut up if i get shit in the face here or may i say something to it? i did not have any beef with you man but abviously you urgently need to stick together with that freind of yours huh? |
| 12:12.08 | themill | Agiofws: OK, so now apt thinks that wine is installed by it. Is your problem solved? |
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| 12:12.22 | Agiofws | themill, it is installed |
| 12:12.23 | enouf | think it's time for a few participants to warm their /ig buttons :-P |
| 12:12.25 | Agiofws | it wont run |
| 12:12.26 | lazyfrosch | i think the best will be for everyone to come down |
| 12:12.40 | remoteCTR1 | omg whats wrong here?:D |
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| 12:13.10 | wols_ | remoteCTR1 please stop ranting. can you do this? |
| 12:13.20 | lazyfrosch | as far as i know this channel is about debian questions and not for i have a serious debian related code problem which patch is at some paste... |
| 12:13.23 | lazyfrosch | :-) |
| 12:13.41 | lazyfrosch | my last word :-) |
| 12:13.42 | remoteCTR1 | ok seriously, one more attempt guys all that i ask for is some RESPECTFUL CONVERSATION i wasnt looking for trouble but i dont like to be patronized and i hope that isnt too hard to understand now |
| 12:13.42 | ledestin | I have a raid5 with chunk size 64k, right over it ext3 with stride=16 gives worse performance than ext3 with no stride. It isn't supposed to be like this, is it? :) |
| 12:13.45 | themill | Agiofws: does apt-cache policy libwine show that libwine is installed |
| 12:14.15 | wols_ | remoteCTR1: with your attitude you won't get help.and now welcome to my /ignore |
| 12:14.15 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws/lime# apt-cache policy libwine |
| 12:14.15 | Agiofws | libwine: |
| 12:14.16 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.25 | themill | remoteCTR1: I promise that I won't be patronising towards you again if you promise to RTFM before asking questions. Is that a fair deal? |
| 12:14.45 | remoteCTR1 | themill: DEAL MAN! |
| 12:14.46 | themill | Agiofws: does /usr/lib/libwine.so.1 exist? |
| 12:14.47 | enouf | Agiofws: please stop pasting multiple lines - thanks |
| 12:14.53 | Agiofws | ok |
| 12:15.07 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: :-) |
| 12:15.23 | Agiofws | /usr/lib/libwine.so.1 /usr/lib/libwine.so.1.0 |
| 12:15.25 | lazyfrosch | nice solutin |
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| 12:16.05 | remoteCTR1 | ok let me put my next wquestion this way then: can anyone point me the way to a howto on lvm while partitioning please? i only seem to can choose the whole disk with lvm here... |
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| 12:16.39 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: create lvm partitions in the size you want and then start to create a lvm over them |
| 12:17.20 | remoteCTR1 | lazyfrosch: i have created the partitins now but i dont have a menu item for lvm here in the manual partitioning dialog... |
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| 12:17.30 | abrotman | enouf: he'll paste one too many one of these times .. then he'll learn! |
| 12:18.05 | enouf | heh |
| 12:18.45 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: I don't have the wizard in mind, let me try with a VM, just a sec |
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| 12:19.15 | tralala | Paul_UK1, yes, you do have the wrong source. Use etch sources |
| 12:19.34 | lazyfrosch | remoteCTR1: lets talk in a query :-) |
| 12:19.38 | ae | i wanted to check out kde 4.1 - any suggestions on the best way to do this. i've installed kde before (ap-get) however i've always felt that on gnome centric distros it needs more love than just a quick install.. is there a polished distro that is using it? |
| 12:19.50 | enouf | !kde4 |
| 12:19.51 | dpkg | i guess kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. See http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ Experimental packages for KDE 4.1 are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>. For lenny backports, see http://kde4.debian.net/ |
| 12:20.00 | remoteCTR1 | lazyfrosch: meet you there, thanks:) |
| 12:21.08 | abrotman | gnome-centric distro? |
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| 12:21.19 | abrotman | ae: and you'd ask #kde if you don't want to use Debian |
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| 12:21.47 | ae | abrotman: no worries |
| 12:21.54 | themill | Agiofws: nfc then... that doesn't make sense that it's not working now. But I still don't understand how you had /usr/bin/wine installed without the wine package being installed beforehand. |
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| 12:22.20 | abrotman | ae: but Debian is hardly gnome-centric |
| 12:22.34 | themill | abrotman: only gnome users seem to think that |
| 12:22.46 | enouf | abrotman: et al, i did a small juggling of phrases in that kde4 factoid (to make lenny info with lenny backports) please check it out for me, is ok? |
| 12:22.49 | Agiofws | themill, i removed it and then executed the wine policy command dont let that get you confused |
| 12:23.03 | Agiofws | nfc ? |
| 12:23.07 | abrotman | themill: tell me how it's gnome centric |
| 12:23.14 | themill | !nfc |
| 12:23.14 | dpkg | it has been said that nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 12:23.19 | abrotman | that's what i thought |
| 12:23.30 | themill | that was for Agiofws |
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| 12:23.32 | ae | abrotman: yeah you are probably right - whenever i think of debian i think gnome not kde :) |
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| 12:24.02 | abrotman | ae: yeah .. Debian has quite a large number of window managers and desktop environments |
| 12:24.18 | themill | abrotman: what does the "desktop" task install? how many extra hoops do you have to jump through to install something else? |
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| 12:24.36 | abrotman | themill: so we're also exim centric? |
| 12:24.47 | abrotman | and 'more' centric? vi centric? |
| 12:24.48 | petemc | i am! |
| 12:24.55 | abrotman | you're dell impaired too :) |
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| 12:25.01 | petemc | :) |
| 12:25.13 | enouf | omg, ... dude |
| 12:25.16 | themill | abrotman: to an extent. When you select defaults, you are saying that these are the things we want you to use. |
| 12:25.23 | enouf | you're getting a .... cow :-P |
| 12:25.24 | abrotman | themill: it was just a choice someone made .. and every "advanced" user i know .. skips tasksel anyways |
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| 12:25.38 | themill | abrotman: yeah... loathe tasksel |
| 12:25.48 | enouf | most users are dumbasses |
| 12:26.05 | vasco | i need an advice, i can t connect to my squid proxy since this script is runing http://pastebin.com/m71606f4e |
| 12:26.06 | enouf | s/users/people :-P |
| 12:26.07 | abrotman | themill: ISTR that there may be separate gnome/kde tasks coming |
| 12:26.11 | vasco | dyou have any idea |
| 12:26.13 | vasco | ? |
| 12:26.25 | abrotman | themill: then your silly notion will go away |
| 12:26.29 | enouf | might be one :-) |
| 12:26.34 | abrotman | a silly notion ? |
| 12:26.37 | themill | abrotman: they exist already, but you've got to throw in boot time options to get them. |
| 12:26.52 | abrotman | then it's not a task i'd say |
| 12:26.58 | enouf | me? no, i meant, i might be a user/people :-p |
| 12:26.59 | streuner | !enouf |
| 12:26.59 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
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| 12:27.03 | abrotman | tasksel --list-tasks doesn't show them |
| 12:27.19 | enouf | streuner: go abke me a bundt cake already :-P |
| 12:27.25 | enouf | bake* |
| 12:28.11 | abrotman | themill: anyways .. choose what you want .. if you really care enough after "accidentally" installing gnome, you'll get rid of it |
| 12:28.12 | enouf | ISTR, a kde cd, an xfce cd, and some other one? |
| 12:28.30 | themill | enouf: yes |
| 12:28.46 | themill | but there's no -gnome cd... just cd1 |
| 12:29.17 | enouf | i fought the gnome and the gnome. won. .. i fought the ,, |
| 12:29.41 | enouf | ~/.... /~ |
| 12:29.56 | ktwilight[m] | SOLVED!!!! |
| 12:29.57 | ktwilight[m] | DAMNIT!!!! |
| 12:29.59 | ktwilight[m] | !#$^@$^*@$^@@$#@$^&@#^@$^!@#$^ |
| 12:30.05 | abrotman | !tell ktwilight[m] about ep |
| 12:30.08 | ktwilight[m] | sorry, just overly excited :) |
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| 12:30.51 | themill | dpkg, congratulate ktwilight[m] |
| 12:30.52 | dpkg | Good show ktwilight[m], you did it! |
| 12:31.16 | ktwilight[m] | woohoo~ hehe :) |
| 12:31.33 | ktwilight[m] | so apparently it's a problem with dbus. .xsession-errors had the clues behind it. |
| 12:31.40 | ktwilight[m] | should have looked into that earlier heh |
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| 12:33.30 | danilocesar | Are someone having problems with flashplayer (gnash or adobe's player) in Lenny? I'm cannot see flashmovies since yesterday, when I did a dist-upgrade |
| 12:34.10 | danilocesar | Put the libflashplayer.so into ~/.mozilla/plugins/ didn't solve the problem |
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| 12:34.55 | abrotman | danilocesar: you'll have to play with the alternatives system |
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| 12:35.23 | danilocesar | update-alternatives ? humm, let me try |
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| 12:36.29 | abrotman | danilocesar: you'll have to read the docs on how to configure it to use adobe flash instead of whatever OSS one it's pointing it |
| 12:36.30 | abrotman | at |
| 12:36.58 | abrotman | and if you're using amd64 .. you may need to reregister it with nspluginwrapper |
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| 12:37.22 | danilocesar | I tried gnash too, without sucess |
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| 12:48.11 | SidGBF | Is there any program that auto-mounts USB devices for etchandhalf? |
| 12:48.20 | hghj | i just installed debian minimal, w/ kde what packages should i install so i have a decent envroment for learning C++ i just installed gcc and i still can't compile hello world... |
| 12:48.23 | SidGBF | we have no GUI... |
| 12:48.37 | petemc | SidGBF: usbmount |
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| 12:49.13 | jpinx | SidGBF: udev |
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| 12:49.38 | SidGBF | does it auto-mounts or requires user to call a command? |
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| 12:50.06 | jpinx | auto-mounts (on my system) |
| 12:50.12 | petemc | as does usbmount |
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| 12:51.17 | jpinx | petermc: is usbmount part of the basic install? |
| 12:51.36 | petemc | i dont think so |
| 12:51.40 | jpinx | I didn't have to do anything - usb "just worked" after installation |
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| 12:52.05 | petemc | jpinx: that wasnt gnome or kde? |
| 12:52.14 | jpinx | though it is better to unmount before unplugging - as in windows |
| 12:52.17 | danilocesar | abrotman: nah... Didnt work... Iceweasel stills to not recognizing flash-nonfree or mozilla-gnash as a plugin |
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| 12:52.26 | jpinx | peremc: gnome |
| 12:52.39 | jpinx | but I don't think it depends on gnome |
| 12:52.42 | abrotman | danilocesar: about:plugins say anything useful ? |
| 12:52.49 | abrotman | !automount |
| 12:52.50 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
| 12:53.02 | petemc | jpinx: i think what you experiences was gnome and udev working together |
| 12:53.06 | petemc | s/es/ed/ |
| 12:53.11 | danilocesar | abrotman: No. There is just java plugins there... |
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| 12:53.33 | cin0_ | hello |
| 12:53.36 | marlun | How can I find out which version of debian that is installed on a server? |
| 12:53.45 | abrotman | danilocesar: but there is a /etc/alternatives/flashplugin.so or whatever it's called? |
| 12:53.47 | abrotman | !version |
| 12:53.48 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
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| 12:54.15 | marlun | thanks |
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| 12:54.29 | danilocesar | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.34 | danilocesar | abrotman: ^ |
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| 12:55.51 | jpinx | petemc: what I experienced was pure debian magic :) it "just worked" (tm) |
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| 12:56.31 | gosc5 | Hi. I'm trying to configure one server with Lenny. The problem is that i don't know how to ejec cdrom (I share it) in a convinient way. I want to unmount and eject cd by pressing eject key (sorry 4 my english) |
| 12:56.35 | abrotman | danilocesar: and that file exists? and you've restarted the browser? |
| 12:57.08 | abrotman | danilocesar: are you on amd64? |
| 12:57.24 | cin0_ | doesdebian have the postgresql 8.3.3 in its packages ? |
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| 12:57.36 | enouf | gosc5: the eject pkg, eject /dev/name |
| 12:58.08 | gosc5 | ok, but i have to write it |
| 12:58.13 | enouf | gosc5: maybe, better to bind a key to perform that function |
| 12:58.16 | danilocesar | abrotman: Yes for the first, and: Linux docbrown 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Thu Aug 28 12:00:54 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linu |
| 12:58.18 | enouf | or an alias |
| 12:58.41 | enouf | gosc5: so you press one keyboard key rather than the button on the drive |
| 12:58.53 | gosc5 | ok |
| 12:59.23 | enouf | gosc5: i'm pretty sure, hal + other things (automount related) lock the drive while in use/ mounted |
| 12:59.25 | danilocesar | abrotman: update-alternatives flash-plugin.so shows me three options (gnash, swf-dec and nonfree). No one is works |
| 12:59.27 | gosc5 | ok, but i have to be looged in to do it (?) |
| 12:59.34 | enouf | gosc5: i see it in htop, top apps |
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| 12:59.45 | danilocesar | abrotman: I will try strace |
| 12:59.51 | enouf | atleast on the 2.6.26-1 kernel |
| 13:00.53 | enouf | otherwise, there might ba a way to find/strace what exactly happens when you do press the drive load/eject, and script that - udev rules, likely |
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| 13:01.36 | abrotman | danilocesar: is the plugin readable by everyone ? |
| 13:02.16 | enouf | guesses that the drive becomes locked, because too many people are accidentally bumping their big ol' butt into the load/eject button |
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| 13:03.16 | gosc5 | thanks - I'll think about it. |
| 13:03.16 | enouf | (i would bet it must be more an issue of security, remote, headless machines, otherwise, it's just stupid) |
| 13:03.40 | enouf | Yes, devs can be as stupid as users :-P |
| 13:03.48 | cin0_ | do any of you use lenny in a production enviroment ? |
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| 13:05.04 | abrotman | i have one here at work .. but it doesn't do much useful in the way of services |
| 13:05.35 | cin0_ | i want to use postgresql 8.3.3 but its only in lenny |
| 13:06.22 | simonrvn | backports |
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| 13:07.15 | simonrvn | ls /etc/postgresql/8.3 \n main/ |
| 13:07.20 | enouf | gosc5: just a fwiw, the sdparm commands do and ca perform stop and eject operations (and many more) as well |
| 13:07.30 | enouf | s/do and can/ |
| 13:07.33 | simonrvn | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:07.34 | simonrvn | 4.0 |
| 13:07.43 | juanra | hi |
| 13:07.50 | juanra | i cant boot win vista with grub |
| 13:08.04 | simonrvn | and? |
| 13:08.13 | enouf | gosc5: but the man pages say that might as well use the eject command ;-) (concerning cdroms/dvd drives) |
| 13:08.17 | simonrvn | update-grub |
| 13:08.33 | simonrvn | (look into os-prober) |
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| 13:08.49 | juanra | simonrvn: what is os-prober? |
| 13:08.57 | abrotman | it has documentation |
| 13:09.11 | hipodilski | I'm searching for that application (http://blog.neofoto.nl/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/screenshot5.png) in debian is it there a version for debian? |
| 13:09.59 | hipodilski | I need it in order to configure my internet connection in the Univesity and they're looking an ugly protocol called SecureW2 |
| 13:10.06 | abrotman | hipodilski: i'd guess that's network-manager |
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| 13:10.54 | hipodilski | abrotman: I have gnome installed already but still I don't see the same app at least mine doesn't have the options shown on the picture |
| 13:11.08 | juanra | simonrvn: os-prober returns nothing |
| 13:11.16 | cin0_ | do any of you use debian as file server (ftp,samba,etc..) ? |
| 13:11.20 | abrotman | hipodilski: do you actually have network-manager installed |
| 13:11.30 | abrotman | cin0_: yes .. plenty of people .. ask a better question |
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| 13:12.11 | cin0_ | i am not familiar with it debian an just want to know what functions people use it for in production enviroments ? |
| 13:12.27 | hipodilski | abrotman: well I have to check I'm not really sure but I think I should have it isn't it bundled with the rest of gnome ? |
| 13:12.29 | abrotman | it's linux .. what do people use linux for? |
| 13:12.37 | simonrvn | juanra: not meant to be run on its own.... |
| 13:12.43 | abrotman | hipodilski: gosh i hope not |
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| 13:13.10 | juanra | can grub2 boot windows vista?? |
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| 13:13.22 | cin0_ | abrotman: the admins at work don't hate anything with the word *nix so i habve never seen any linux OS been use in a production enviroment |
| 13:13.29 | abrotman | okay .. and? |
| 13:13.54 | simonrvn | juanra: i guess you need your hand held. aptitude install os-prober; update-grub |
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| 13:14.21 | dFence | hey, how can i recover my kernel-config? (in case i "mislaid" it?) |
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| 13:14.49 | juanra | ok |
| 13:14.51 | juanra | thanks simonrvn |
| 13:15.07 | themill | dFence: it's in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 13:16.22 | simonrvn | juanra: very simple. though one thing with that fricking thing is that you'll need to chmod -x /etc/grub.d/*os_prober since it's a bit buggy... |
| 13:16.22 | dFence | themill: i'm afraid this one isn't :) it's a homemade kernel |
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| 13:16.35 | themill | dFence: didn't make it the debian way then |
| 13:16.37 | simonrvn | juanra: er, when you're updating grub i mean |
| 13:16.42 | dFence | themill: nope |
| 13:16.46 | simonrvn | the grub packages... |
| 13:16.52 | simonrvn | needs coffee |
| 13:16.52 | petemc | dFence: unless you chose to include the config in /proc you may be out of luck |
| 13:16.52 | juanra | simonrvn: but i am using grub at this time |
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| 13:17.09 | dFence | petemc: i think i did.. where would it be then under /proc? |
| 13:17.11 | Traveler1 | hi all, I'm looking for a package which can monitor individual users bandwidth usage in a web environment |
| 13:17.17 | Traveler1 | any ideas anybody? |
| 13:17.19 | simonrvn | juanra: grub2 or grub? you said grub, then grub2 |
| 13:17.28 | petemc | dFence: /proc/config.gz or some such |
| 13:17.37 | juanra | simonrvn: grub |
| 13:18.07 | Joelio | hey guys, where is the information held for network interfaces? (not /etc/network/interfaces). I have cloned a box and upon rebooting the nics that shoudl be eth0 and eth1 have become eth2 and eth3. I need to flush the old mac addresses out presumably. Ideas? |
| 13:18.09 | dFence | petemc: not there, but thanks... ill just go make defconfig |
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| 13:18.38 | cin0_ | abrotman:is it wrong to ask persons experience with Linux in this case debian ? |
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| 13:19.10 | blauerunterhose | Good afternoon |
| 13:19.24 | Traveler1 | can you guys help me find a package package which can monitor individual users bandwidth usage in a networked environment |
| 13:19.29 | abrotman | cin0_: i don't see how it's relevant |
| 13:19.36 | gosc5 | enoug: sdparm commands, ok. But how ask about ejecting? udev/rules? |
| 13:19.46 | Traveler1 | the use-case is a Internet-cafe |
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| 13:19.59 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:20.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd96 is <linuxrules> i dont have problems with languaje |
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| 13:20.02 | abrotman | tradius ? |
| 13:20.04 | abrotman | erm .. radius |
| 13:20.10 | abrotman | wait .. that's for authentication |
| 13:20.23 | Traveler1 | abrotman: was that for me? |
| 13:20.27 | gosc5 | enouf: sdparm commands, ok. But how ask about ejecting? udev/rules? |
| 13:20.27 | petemc | i use ipac-ng, but it sucks and isnt really maintained |
| 13:20.29 | abrotman | it was .. but wrong |
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| 13:20.43 | blauerunterhose | what command can i use to set hardware clock ? |
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| 13:21.34 | enouf | gosc5: sorry? how to ask? or how to use? utilize? |
| 13:21.46 | enouf | gosc5: what's your native lang? |
| 13:21.49 | Traveler1 | petemc: abrotman: waiting guys |
| 13:21.51 | gosc5 | pl |
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| 13:21.54 | enouf | ahh .pl |
| 13:22.00 | Joelio | Ahh, the rules are in udev |
| 13:22.01 | enouf | is #debian-pl ? |
| 13:22.14 | themill | !pl |
| 13:22.14 | dpkg | polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
| 13:22.28 | blauerunterhose | Traveler1 try out $ apt-cache search bandwidth monitor |
| 13:22.30 | gosc5 | thanks |
| 13:22.31 | enouf | aha .. one of those! with the . not the - |
| 13:22.46 | themill | enouf: yes, for consistency's sake... |
| 13:22.47 | petemc | Traveler1: my last statement was directed at you, i have nothing further to say |
| 13:22.54 | enouf | gosc5: maybe even to get someone to clarify your quetions - but i'm sure they can help as well there |
| 13:23.02 | enouf | a/questions* |
| 13:23.17 | enouf | themill: wonderful ... |
| 13:23.17 | Traveler1 | blauerunterhouse:right now on windows box, so can't do apt-cache search :( |
| 13:23.19 | enouf | !standard |
| 13:23.19 | dpkg | standard is, like, when people write down their ideas, ignoring other (better) ideas and then argumenting that the other (better) ideas are bad since they are not standard. See <wifi> |
| 13:23.26 | enouf | !standards |
| 13:23.26 | dpkg | The good thing about standards is there are so MANY to choose from! |
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| 13:25.15 | Traveler1 | blauerunterhose: I tried going to http://packages.debian.org and putting the keywords you gave, still no use :( |
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| 13:25.42 | blauerunterhose | Traveler1 punch in what i wrote in commandline |
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| 13:26.19 | Traveler1 | blauerunterhose: I'm telling you right now on windows box, otherwise wouldn't have bothered you guys |
| 13:27.01 | MacGyverNL | !wifi |
| 13:27.02 | Traveler1 | blauerunterhose: and I'm not trying to pull your legs guys |
| 13:27.02 | dpkg | i guess wifi is a silly name for 802.11 wireless networking. `Wifi' should have been a proper spec, like USB, and we'd have a few chipsets which would all work. Instead it was whizz-bang, let's include half-arsed encryption in the protocol spec, oh shit we now have to implement some not-half-arsed encryption which breaks everything, and ooh, fun let's release the same chipset again with changes to make it non-interoperable. Bah. |
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| 13:27.13 | Traveler1 | !bandwidth monitor |
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| 13:27.26 | Traveler1 | !bandwidth-monitor |
| 13:27.28 | dbmoodb | hi a. what is on the live lenny cd ? |
| 13:27.40 | Traveler1 | drats, that also didn't work |
| 13:27.43 | blauerunterhose | Traveler1 i found for instance : bwm; bmon; webmin-bandwidth iptotal;..... |
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| 13:27.52 | dbmoodb | i'm just getting more any more annoyed with my ubuntu hardy installation. |
| 13:27.55 | dbmoodb | ah try ntop |
| 13:28.05 | blauerunterhose | Traveler1 try them in google |
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| 13:28.36 | dbmoodb | + i want to show people debian.... (i am a debian user but run ubuntu so i know where it is at ... so i can give it out with "confidence" less so... these days...) |
| 13:28.37 | Traveler1 | blauerunterhose: thanx, googling them up |
| 13:28.51 | blauerunterhose | Traveler1 yw |
| 13:28.53 | dbmoodb | !ntop |
| 13:28.53 | dpkg | somebody said ntop was located at http://www.ntop.org/ |
| 13:29.07 | zumbi | dpkg: job |
| 13:29.08 | dpkg | hmm... job is skins, or something you won't have problem finding when you'r a linux guru |
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| 13:29.23 | blauerunterhose | how do i set my hardware clock to the right time |
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| 13:29.49 | zumbi | blauerunterhose: tzselect? |
| 13:29.52 | eve | it is possible that i feel apt-get a lot more slower than a few months ago ? (lenny) |
| 13:29.53 | dbmoodb | ah blauerunterhose install hwclock ? |
| 13:29.59 | eve | specially in the "reading database...." step |
| 13:30.17 | Traveler1 | blauerunterhose: interesting page http://www.ubuntugeek.com/bandwidth-monitoring-tools-for-ubuntu-users.html |
| 13:30.23 | dbmoodb | eve: apparently it will install recommends not just what is requried by default. |
| 13:30.36 | dbmoodb | Traveler1: please look up ntop |
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| 13:31.04 | eve | dbmoodb: no, not installing recommends, it rest in that line between 1 minute aprox. |
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| 13:31.27 | dbmoodb | really ? perhaps its the mirror you have ... |
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| 13:32.42 | blauerunterhose | dbmoodb that doesnt help, the date stays the same and it is set to 1990 :| |
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| 13:33.16 | dbmoodb | blauerunterhose: read the manual.... (it has a set option) |
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| 13:33.40 | blauerunterhose | dbmoodb okidoki ;D |
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| 13:34.16 | eve | dbmoodb: "reading database" is HD work, not internet realted |
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| 13:35.06 | dbmoodb | eve: ok. but doesnt it go throught all the changes ? .... mmm interesting. eve is lenny working nicely with compiz again ? |
| 13:35.56 | Traveler1 | dbmoodb: thanx looking that up as well :) |
| 13:36.26 | eve | dbmoodb: sorry, i don't use compiz |
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| 13:36.44 | dbmoodb | .... ? but... its pretty ;) |
| 13:37.01 | danilocesar | abrotman: sudo iceweasel works.... Permissions are OK, but strace returns me that there is no /usr/lib/iceweasel/libflash-plugin.so (or something like). So I create this link form /etc/alternatives/mozilla-flash.so and now it's working... Thanks for your help =) |
| 13:37.20 | abrotman | uh okay |
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| 13:38.47 | eve | is there a bug with JFS ? looks like if i boot with powersave governor, it doesnt mount my home partition (JFS), if i use ondemand, it works |
| 13:40.03 | Traveler1 | bye guys, thanx for all the help |
| 13:40.38 | enouf | JFS on a craptop? |
| 13:40.44 | blauerunterhose | dbmoodb how do i set the system time ? |
| 13:41.05 | eve | enouf: yes, laptop |
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| 13:42.04 | slobad23 | i have seen on distrowatch there there is an i386 version of the new debian live distro. do they have one i could use on an amd64? |
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| 13:42.43 | enouf | eve: sorry, but i find that ludicrous, and to make it worse, i have no useful info for you :-/ |
| 13:43.07 | eve | enouf: is JFS a bad option ? for laptops ? |
| 13:43.34 | simonrvn | high cpu usage, less than xfs, but higher than ext3 |
| 13:43.35 | enouf | eve: nah - just forget i mentioned it, sorry .. it's mainly a server OS, but nm that |
| 13:43.55 | enouf | eve: and you issue might not even FS type specific |
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| 13:44.01 | simonrvn | esp. on writes |
| 13:44.05 | enouf | eve: and your issue might not even be FS type specific |
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| 13:44.08 | simonrvn | xfs is bad on both |
| 13:44.17 | Overmaze | hi quick question, is there a way to update from 3.1 to 4 from shell |
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| 13:44.38 | abrotman | you mean sarge to etch ? |
| 13:44.40 | enouf | Overmaze: that's the only way ;-) |
| 13:44.50 | simonrvn | Overmaze: 3.1 to 4 what? debian? recommended way in fact... |
| 13:44.52 | abrotman | !tell Overmaze about sarge->etch |
| 13:45.06 | abrotman | !tell slobad23 about livecd |
| 13:45.24 | eve | enouf: strange, with ext3 not happens |
| 13:45.34 | nalioth | freenode recommends setting up your nick in this fashion: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup |
| 13:45.52 | simonrvn | *blink* ECHAN ? |
| 13:45.59 | enouf | eve: same exact setup and environment? if so, you might be onto something .. might be your mount options? |
| 13:46.23 | simonrvn | eve: make sure you're mounting jfs with iocharset=utf8 |
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| 13:47.22 | simonrvn | prefers ext3 nowadays |
| 13:47.28 | dFence | how can i extract files from a rpm? (i remember it was something with cpio...) |
| 13:47.47 | simonrvn | !alien |
| 13:47.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 13:47.59 | dFence | mercy |
| 13:48.18 | slobad23 | can i run the intel i386 live cd on an amd64 machine? |
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| 13:48.35 | jelly | slobad23: probably |
| 13:48.59 | themill | dFence: the rpm package contains the rpm utility that can be used to extract files. Alternatively, man file managers can poke around in side an rpm (e.g. mc) |
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| 13:49.42 | dFence | thx |
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| 13:55.20 | joaop | im trying to unload some modules that are been used by the system, but i got the message 'module snd_pcm is in use', how to do an force unload ? |
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| 13:59.44 | simonrvn | stop the thing using it, of course |
| 14:01.07 | joaop | how can i do it ? it's a notebook, onboard sound system what i need stop |
| 14:01.32 | wols_ | the hardware has nothing to do with what to stop |
| 14:01.41 | wols_ | some program uses the soundcard,stop it |
| 14:02.15 | joaop | there isnt program using it |
| 14:02.33 | wols_ | joaop: then you could rmmod it... |
| 14:02.34 | joaop | i already logoff of X to confirm it |
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| 14:02.55 | abrotman | use lsof or fuser to see what is using /dev/dsp perhaps ? |
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| 14:06.00 | jpinx | joaop: some laptops (like mine) have a virtual soundcard on the cpu and that causes problems - not sure if that applies to you |
| 14:07.55 | jelly | "virtual soundcard on the cpu"? |
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| 14:08.37 | jelly | joaop: fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* |
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| 14:09.14 | joaop | tks everybody |
| 14:09.21 | joaop | rmmod -f works fine |
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| 14:09.43 | cga | hi , on a fresh etch install i get errors on LOCALE_* whenever i use apt-get install or vim or some program. any idea? |
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| 14:10.56 | dafe | which is the max disk space to use with VFAT? |
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| 14:11.26 | n3kl | cga: dpkg-reconfigure locales, or apt-get install locales |
| 14:11.36 | n3kl | or both, the last first |
| 14:11.42 | cga | ok thanks =) |
| 14:11.46 | n3kl | np |
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| 14:12.07 | et | dafe: opinions on that differ |
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| 14:12.32 | lolufail | hi |
| 14:13.17 | lolufail | what low-weight daemon should I use to get system mails to my gmail account? |
| 14:13.41 | lolufail | all mails to "root" should go to my email-adress via smtp or imap.. |
| 14:13.54 | lolufail | what would I need for that? |
| 14:14.32 | et | dafe: technically 2 terabytes, but some windows routines limit it to lower sizes |
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| 14:14.54 | deb08 | lolufail: fetchmail ? |
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| 14:15.47 | lolufail | deb08: though fetchmail was for the other way around? getting mail from external servers and sorting it locally? |
| 14:16.15 | petemc | imapsync |
| 14:16.25 | deb08 | lolufail: yeah, but iirc it can fetch local mail too ? |
| 14:16.35 | sep | lolufail, any smtp server will do just forward root to your gmail address |
| 14:16.37 | lolufail | hmmm |
| 14:16.37 | sep | in aliases |
| 14:16.40 | timmy_boy | Has anyone experienced problems with Open Office? |
| 14:17.05 | lolufail | so basically I have to set up a local mail delivery agent, and sync it with google mail? |
| 14:17.05 | sep | lolufail, if you configured exim properly when you installed debian it should allready be working |
| 14:17.07 | stew | timmy_boy: yes, someone had some problems sometime |
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| 14:17.40 | sep | lolufail, and you just have edit /etc/aliases |
| 14:17.50 | lolufail | I dont have exim. I dont have any mail-related app at all ;) not even "mail" |
| 14:18.13 | sep | lolufail, sure ? a shitload of things on a nix system depend on a mta |
| 14:18.19 | sep | and it's default in any debian install |
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| 14:18.26 | lolufail | sep: hmmm how do I find out? |
| 14:18.44 | sep | dpkg -la | grep exim |
| 14:18.45 | dpkg | sep: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 14:19.02 | abrotman | lolufail: is it a real server? with static IP etc ? |
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| 14:19.17 | jpinx | jelly: forgive my maltreatment of the technical expressions, but my old Toshiba T8000 laptop has no physical soundcard. Apparently it's virtual. |
| 14:19.23 | lolufail | no it's not a real server |
| 14:19.33 | lolufail | abotman: it's a dynip server here at home |
| 14:19.37 | sep | lolufail, you would usualy tell it to use use smtp auth http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/280 |
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| 14:19.43 | sep | and a smarthost |
| 14:19.45 | sep | andi am off |
| 14:19.56 | abrotman | if you're going to attempt to forward mail from your server to gmail .. it may fail since it's not a real mail server .. you could try using your ISPs smtp server as a smart host |
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| 14:20.57 | jelly | jpinx: it's virtually interesting! |
| 14:21.02 | lolufail | ok, thanks.. I'll probably try exim |
| 14:21.15 | lolufail | I was just hoping for something smaller, but that'll work too |
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| 14:21.45 | stew | lolufail: nullmailer or ssmtp are smaller and made just for your situation |
| 14:21.58 | stew | lolufail: and "man 5 aliases" if you hven't already |
| 14:22.20 | abrotman | and if you can't read that man page .. lolufail |
| 14:22.25 | abrotman | hides |
| 14:22.27 | lolufail | stew: no such manpage |
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| 14:22.39 | lolufail | lol i fail -.- |
| 14:22.51 | abrotman | man 8 newaliases ? |
| 14:22.57 | liable | as the name suggests |
| 14:22.59 | lolufail | nope |
| 14:23.00 | abrotman | man 5 etc-aliases ? |
| 14:23.08 | lolufail | nope |
| 14:23.09 | abrotman | maybe those are just for exim |
| 14:23.20 | abrotman | lolufail: man -k alias |
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| 14:23.38 | lolufail | locale.alias (5) - Locale name alias data base |
| 14:23.40 | lolufail | newaliases (8) - update /etc/aliases database |
| 14:23.50 | stew | lolufail: newaliases then |
| 14:24.38 | lolufail | lol consufing manpage |
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| 14:25.46 | Similian | is there a way with mv to create all subdirectories if needed |
| 14:26.45 | stew | Similian: no |
| 14:26.56 | Similian | thanks |
| 14:27.15 | abrotman | shouldn't mving the dir tree create them as needed? |
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| 14:27.29 | stew | mv doesn't create anything |
| 14:28.02 | abrotman | let me rephrase .. you're just mving .. what is there to create as new? |
| 14:28.03 | stew | i assume he's asking about something like, "mv somefile /some/path/that/doesn't/exist |
| 14:28.05 | lunk | good morning, can someone answer a simple question for me. Does .htaccess require an absolute path for the AuthUserFile directive? I can't find a straight answer anywhere |
| 14:28.16 | abrotman | mkdir -p |
| 14:28.17 | screamingbytes | cp -r then delete the old dir structure |
| 14:28.24 | Similian | that is correct |
| 14:28.28 | Similian | thankyou stew |
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| 14:28.59 | stew | Similian: like abrotman said, use mkdir -p first (which will succeed if if nothing has to be done) |
| 14:29.07 | eve | is there any SMALL tool to configure networks like wifi and wired ? |
| 14:29.18 | abrotman | vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:29.22 | abrotman | that's small enough :) |
| 14:29.23 | neonlightning | eve, ifconfig iwconfig |
| 14:29.24 | eve | gui, i mean |
| 14:29.40 | screamingbytes | anyone decent with c? |
| 14:29.52 | abrotman | ##c |
| 14:29.55 | screamingbytes | I havn't used it in so long im really rusty |
| 14:29.59 | eve | i need a small GUI for a friend |
| 14:30.22 | screamingbytes | thats abrotman |
| 14:30.34 | screamingbytes | abrotman: thanks that is :) |
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| 14:31.45 | dafe | i am tryng to mormat 30GB with vfat |
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| 14:31.54 | dafe | but is says is a tyoo large file system |
| 14:31.58 | dafe | any ideas |
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| 14:32.27 | stew | as i'm sitting here waiting for this huge mv to complete i'm realizing that me "mv doesn't create anything" statement is wrong. mv doesn't create anything when moving to/from the same filesystem :) |
| 14:33.22 | abrotman | lunk: i don't think it does .. probably ask #apache |
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| 14:34.15 | lunk | abrotman: yea i'm in there |
| 14:34.22 | lunk | abrotman: i wouldn't think it does either |
| 14:34.42 | eve | there's no SMALL gui configurators of network ? :/ |
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| 14:35.40 | abrotman | dafe: -F 32 .. perhaps |
| 14:35.52 | abrotman | eve: for which DE/WM ? |
| 14:36.32 | dafe | yes that was the one |
| 14:36.50 | abrotman | dafe: i think mkfs.vfat defaults to FAT16 .. for some goofy reason |
| 14:37.11 | dafe | yeah i just saw that hahahha |
| 14:37.57 | abrotman | that's changed in lenny apparently |
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| 14:39.56 | dafe | hope saw |
| 14:40.01 | dafe | thanks guys |
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| 14:41.26 | eve | abrotman: fluxbox, so i don't want to have these lot of big dependencies to install :( |
| 14:41.48 | abrotman | i know there are ones for gnome and kde .. i'm not aware of any for fluxbox |
| 14:42.14 | themill | mumbles something about features requiring code and code requiring disk space and that you can't have "light with no dependencies" while also having lots of features |
| 14:42.22 | eve | but all these that i know for gnome-kde has too much dependencies |
| 14:42.28 | eve | apt-get install gnome-network-admin = more than 200 mb |
| 14:42.31 | eve | scary |
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| 14:42.48 | abrotman | how often are they going to have to reconfigure the wireless ? |
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| 14:43.26 | eve | abrotman: pretty often, is a laptop and he moves |
| 14:43.34 | eve | and wired connection in the house |
| 14:43.36 | themill | eve: you'd go for network-manager-(foo) not gnome-network-admin anyway |
| 14:43.36 | trifler | abrotman: everytime it's used? |
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| 14:45.11 | abrotman | trifler: why? |
| 14:45.53 | abrotman | wonders why there isn't a network::wireless debtag |
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| 14:46.12 | trifler | abrotman: Diffrent wlan requires diffrent settings? |
| 14:46.22 | abrotman | only if you move wlans |
| 14:46.38 | abrotman | i rarely move mine .. so editing the interfaces file works just fine for me |
| 14:46.39 | trifler | abrotman: Well on hotel differs from another |
| 14:47.00 | abrotman | yes .. if you stay in hotels a lot .. but i pay by the hour! |
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| 14:48.22 | trifler | abrotman: Im just saying, me myself have like 4 profiles witch I switch between depening on where I am. |
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| 14:49.18 | abrotman | you only stay in four hotels? |
| 14:49.37 | trifler | abrotman: The chain have the same setup |
| 14:49.47 | abrotman | right .. anyways |
| 14:49.56 | trifler | setups* |
| 14:50.09 | abrotman | chains* |
| 14:50.35 | trifler | poor me :) |
| 14:50.43 | liable | beer* |
| 14:50.43 | trifler | I'll get it right next time |
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| 14:52.18 | Fiskah | How do I check the disk usage of a postfix mailbox? |
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| 14:54.27 | dto | hello everyone |
| 14:56.52 | enouf | hi dto |
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| 15:03.27 | abrotman | Fiskah: maildir or mbox ? |
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| 15:04.40 | kularek | hello |
| 15:05.57 | kularek | i build SNAT and port forwarding based on iptables and i forward port 80 on my debian Gateway to internal serwer(httpd) and its works ofcourse but users from internal network cannot use external ip to have access for it |
| 15:05.58 | dto | hi again everyone. thanks to your help yesterday, i got debian lenny (daily build of netinst) running on my new Acer Extensa 4420-5963. after installation, it only boots properly if i give it acpi=off, and it gives some warnings about phpbios stuff (see http://dto.mamalala.org/dmesg.txt ) but works fine thereafter. what i'd guess i should do is install a newer linux kernel (usually i do this anyway because i like to use the realtime |
| 15:05.58 | dto | kernels. |
| 15:06.03 | dto | is this a wise course of action? |
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| 15:07.12 | kularek | what i need to set for LAN users on my FireWall to have possibility to use external IP address to have access into my serwers behind NAT? |
| 15:07.14 | abrotman | so it did work |
| 15:07.29 | abrotman | dto: you'll be on your own for security issues .. up to you |
| 15:07.45 | abrotman | dto: and if you have a problem and come here .. we're going to ask you which kernel you have |
| 15:08.05 | Fiskah | abrotman: No idea :D The default one |
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| 15:08.55 | dto | abrotman: i understand. in that case i would go to the appropriate mailing list. i just mean, would you suggest doing anything debian-specific that might be a cleaner solution, for example maybe there is a backport kernel available. I don't actually need the RT kernel on the laptop |
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| 15:09.33 | dto | abrotman: also is there anywhere i should share my experience so that other debian users who buy this laptop can have an easier time? i'll look for an appropriate wiki or something |
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| 15:11.33 | abrotman | Fiskah: uh .. look in $HOME or in /var/mail/ |
| 15:11.44 | abrotman | !tell dto about kp |
| 15:11.55 | enouf | er |
| 15:12.10 | enouf | !tell dto about laptop |
| 15:12.12 | dto | abrotman: thank you, actually i use the make-kpkg stuff already, whenever I install a kernel.org RT kernel |
| 15:12.33 | kularek | so ? anybody / |
| 15:12.50 | enouf | dto: there's also wiki.debian.org |
| 15:13.04 | dto | enouf, abrotman: thank you :) |
| 15:13.15 | kularek | it willl be very helpfully for me if someone can spend 2 minits for me |
| 15:13.50 | enouf | dto: acpi=off might be able to be replaced by a more specific boot option |
| 15:14.28 | enouf | dto: if that's a dualcore, you'll likely lose a core when you disable acpi like that - might try other options - which ones? i can guess - but only guess |
| 15:14.33 | dto | ah |
| 15:14.39 | dto | it is dualcore |
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| 15:14.52 | dto | i'll check out the debian-laptop list as well |
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| 15:15.06 | enouf | dto: find kernel-parameters.txt |
| 15:15.38 | enouf | dto: and if amd64 arch, find /Documentation/x86_64/boot-options.txt |
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| 15:16.24 | dto | wow, thank you :) |
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| 15:25.44 | hghj | anyone know what header or debian package im missing, that i recieve this error msg configure: WARNING: sys/sysmacros.h: present but cannot be compiled |
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| 15:27.00 | Caasi | hello everyone :) |
| 15:27.19 | Caasi | I have a question about compile lxsession, can I ask here? |
| 15:27.27 | hghj | configure: WARNING: sys/sysmacros.h: present but cannot be compiled |
| 15:27.34 | hghj | u know what causes that warning? |
| 15:27.35 | hghj | lol |
| 15:27.42 | hghj | I think they are sleeping |
| 15:27.46 | mbroeker | hghj, this file is part of the linux-libc-dev package |
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| 15:27.48 | Caasi | lol |
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| 15:28.17 | themill | !lol |
| 15:28.17 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 15:28.32 | liable | lollerskates |
| 15:28.54 | Caasi | so, hah |
| 15:28.55 | mbroeker | hghj, this file is part of the libc6-dev package, a kernel header: so your brand new driver from source may be to far away from your current kernel ... |
| 15:29.11 | hghj | o |
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| 15:29.43 | Caasi | does anyone know how to let my pkg-config find libgtk2.0-0 instead of gtk+-2.0? |
| 15:29.44 | hghj | whats the debian package for kernel headers |
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| 15:31.31 | stew | hghj: linu-headers-$version where $version is something like the output of "uname -r" |
| 15:31.46 | hghj | k |
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| 15:32.04 | stew | err linux-headers-$version |
| 15:32.41 | hghj | yeah i was missin em |
| 15:32.45 | hghj | its downloading now |
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| 15:33.50 | hghj | oh man, i can't wait to get my ram for this pice of junk comp |
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| 15:34.04 | hghj | hmm still got the error |
| 15:34.05 | hghj | configure: WARNING: sys/sysmacros.h: present but cannot be compiled |
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| 15:34.44 | DexterF | hi |
| 15:35.23 | Caasi | hi |
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| 15:35.47 | DexterF | how do I prevent a package from being installed? let's say I don't want apt to ever, ever install foopackage. /etc/apt/preferences ? |
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| 15:36.49 | stew | DexterF: yes |
| 15:37.18 | DexterF | stew: manpage for apt on syntax? |
| 15:39.02 | themill | apt_preferences |
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| 15:39.59 | igorgue | !info glibc |
| 15:40.01 | DexterF | thanks |
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| 15:53.52 | lunk | w00t, found debian's definition in the dictionary, 'f***ing awesome' |
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| 15:55.11 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 15:55.11 | dpkg | <Mandork_> how does pron work anyways ? |
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| 15:55.38 | liable | made so much funnier by the username :) |
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| 15:56.18 | xdr | why would I want lvm2? |
| 15:56.45 | masterfreek64 | is there a reason Debian Sid only has Eclipse3.2 ? We could test 4.0 IMHO it is stable AFAIK |
| 15:56.54 | lunk | xdr: say you had 8 hotswap drives and only 4 disks, when you add the next one you can grow your filesystem without formatting |
| 15:57.02 | lunk | err, hotswap drive-slots |
| 15:57.18 | enouf | xdr: many more and better userspace tools, i guess - if you mean over lvm1 |
| 15:57.38 | xdr | lunk: on a laptop I mean? |
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| 15:58.09 | lunk | oh, no reason then ;) |
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| 15:59.43 | Mike1 | hey |
| 16:00.11 | Mike1 | why am i not able to scroll man-pages with the arrow keys? |
| 16:00.34 | enouf | your pager is more? |
| 16:00.40 | Mike1 | man |
| 16:00.46 | enouf | install less |
| 16:00.59 | enouf | see top -c output |
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| 16:02.05 | mic_p | Hi all. I'm using dpkg-buildpackage and I want to pass some parameters to the "./configure" script that it executes, but on the man I don't find anything. It's there a method? |
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| 16:02.27 | Mike1 | enouf: what does top have to do with man-pages? |
| 16:02.34 | themill | mic_p: edit debian/rules to your liking |
| 16:02.59 | mic_p | themil: it was! Thanks! |
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| 16:03.06 | hghj | cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-march=i386" |
| 16:03.07 | themill | np |
| 16:03.12 | hghj | wtf does this mean |
| 16:03.26 | enouf | Mike1: my bad, thought it would show you the pager, and it does, but it says "pager" |
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| 16:03.56 | enouf | better is htop, ps aux, or pstree -lunap |
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| 16:04.30 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.30 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:05.01 | Mike1 | `man -P less man` works :) |
| 16:05.02 | Mike1 | thanks |
| 16:05.05 | enouf | Mike1: ~$ readlink -f /usr/bin/pager |
| 16:05.07 | enouf | /usr/bin/less |
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| 16:05.16 | Mike1 | didn't know that man is just some kind of frontend |
| 16:05.27 | themill | mic_p: install less and use update-alternatives to set the pager to less |
| 16:05.37 | enouf | Mike1: it should point to /etc/alternatives/pager which points to less here |
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| 16:06.10 | enouf | Mike1: update-alternatives --config pager ? |
| 16:06.15 | mic_p | themill: mic_p? Do you mean Mike1? I haven't ask for less! :) |
| 16:06.22 | themill | gah |
| 16:06.39 | Mike1 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 13 Sep 10 18:06 pager -> /usr/bin/less |
| 16:06.41 | themill | why are there two of you who both start with "mi" ... |
| 16:06.42 | Mike1 | :) |
| 16:06.47 | enouf | Mike1: yeah, that will set your pager |
| 16:06.54 | Mike1 | themill: i'm sorry! :) |
| 16:07.02 | Mike1 | enouf: looks like it has allready been done :) |
| 16:07.12 | themill | Mike1: there's also $PAGER |
| 16:07.22 | enouf | themill: they're different colors though! |
| 16:07.24 | Mike1 | what matters is: it works now :) |
| 16:07.46 | Mike1 | enouf: if you use a IRC Client and hardware which supports colours ;) |
| 16:07.50 | enouf | Mike1: you seem to have no alternatives system , or not set up correctly |
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| 16:08.01 | enouf | i have 4 choices here for pager |
| 16:08.01 | Mike1 | enouf: looks like i have |
| 16:08.22 | themill | enouf: heh.... we should cut it back to 26 people max so they can all have different first letters. (with >676 people, we can't even have unique first two chars any more :( |
| 16:08.22 | Mike1 | at least there is a /etc/alternatives/ dir |
| 16:08.35 | ma3x | what's the shortcut to switch tabs in openoffice spreadsheet? |
| 16:09.09 | themill | ma3x: Ctrl+PgUp Ctrl+PgDn |
| 16:09.10 | enouf | update-alternatives --list pager | xargs |
| 16:09.11 | enouf | /bin/more /usr/bin/less /usr/bin/w3m /usr/bin/pg |
| 16:09.25 | ma3x | thanks themill |
| 16:09.43 | Mike1 | themill: /bin/more /usr/bin/pg /usr/bin/w3m /usr/bin/less |
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| 16:10.25 | enouf | Mike1: so run the config, and once set as default, unless your env overrides it, should work |
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| 16:11.05 | enouf | Mike1: IOW, an entry in your say .bashrc like "export PAGER=blah" |
| 16:11.33 | Mike1 | enouf: that whole alternative stuff is new for me, let me read about it ;) |
| 16:11.38 | enouf | although, i guess $TERM type might also matter |
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| 16:11.48 | themill | !alternatives |
| 16:11.49 | dpkg | well, alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. |
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| 16:12.06 | enouf | Mike1: it's black magic ... don't forget to bring small farm animals worthy of sacrificing |
| 16:12.16 | raz | rubs his eyes |
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| 16:12.44 | liable | first borns are worth quite a bit |
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| 16:14.10 | themill | dpkg, alternatives is also Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives> |
| 16:14.10 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 16:15.09 | Mike1 | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/9qhnzd50.html |
| 16:15.14 | Mike1 | enouf: =) |
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| 16:19.00 | Regnad | What is the "Debian Way" of handling (locally) a source package I've made changes to? |
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| 16:19.34 | Regnad | I did "apt-get source", then fixed a bug, then "dpkg-buildpackage", and installed it. |
| 16:20.03 | stew | Regnad: add a changelog entry to differentiate your version from the one you changed (adding something like +somebugfix to the version string), then installing your package and maybe putting your package on hold: /msg dpkg hold |
| 16:20.17 | Regnad | Now how should I deal with this new .deb so there won't be confusion with a file of the same name |
| 16:20.26 | Regnad | in apt's cache. |
| 16:20.49 | stew | Regnad: by bumping the version |
| 16:21.11 | Regnad | Ah, the "hold" is something I haven't done to a package yet. I'll read up on that. |
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| 16:21.20 | themill | Regnad: also submit your patch to the bts if it is not already there. /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 16:21.34 | Mike1 | :) |
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| 16:21.57 | Regnad | Doesn't bumping the version number risk a number collision with a subsequent official release? |
| 16:22.05 | dbmoodb | mmm had a few packages not want to immediately upgrade from etch to lenny where do i report this ? |
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| 16:23.42 | dbmoodb | http://pastebin.com/d3f0c1408 |
| 16:23.59 | Regnad | themill: Shouldn't the bug report go upstream first? What's the polite delay time before reporting to the Debian bts? |
| 16:24.03 | themill | Regnad: that's why you add +regnad1 or +bugfix1 to the version number as you can be sure the maintainer won't pick that and so it won't be a problem |
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| 16:25.09 | Mike1 | :) |
| 16:25.10 | themill | Regnad: lots of bugs go to the debian bts first and are then pushed upstream. If it's not security related, there's no need to embargo the patch. |
| 16:25.40 | Mike1 | i luf the way debian manages to handle all this package-stuff :) |
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| 16:27.06 | Regnad | Thanks for the help, I'm off to the docs. |
| 16:27.13 | dbmoodb | mmm ? so my bug goes where exactly ? |
| 16:27.36 | dbmoodb | its just those packages and its fixed with a --purge remove / removing them and upgrading manually, fairly easy. |
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| 16:33.01 | themill | dpkg: tell dbmoodb about lenny release notes |
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| 16:33.23 | binrapt | Any stats modules for Apache 2 you can recommend? |
| 16:33.26 | liable | theres alredy release notes? |
| 16:33.26 | themill | dbmoodb: perhaps of use in working out where to send feedback. (I don't know off the top of my head) |
| 16:33.33 | themill | liable: of sorts |
| 16:33.36 | binrapt | Stuff that produces nice HTML output with referral statistics etc |
| 16:33.44 | binrapt | Traffic volume usage |
| 16:33.49 | binrapt | And such |
| 16:34.17 | dbmoodb | mmm interesting. |
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| 16:35.24 | pickcoder | binrapt: what about server-status? |
| 16:35.29 | dbmoodb | well irc counts as having reported it. ;) have to sleep soon. some one just find out where i put his and inform other users and blah. |
| 16:35.39 | dbmoodb | (about where to file upgrade errors) |
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| 16:36.49 | pickcoder | binrapt: otherwise look at log analyzers like webalizer and awstats |
| 16:36.54 | pickcoder | for traffic metrics |
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| 16:36.59 | binrapt | Checking out server-status atm |
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| 16:37.25 | dbmoodb | nagios ? |
| 16:37.54 | dbmoodb | wait no not for this. nevermind. |
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| 16:39.01 | olivierk | On lenny, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg seems to create a vry short xorg.conf file... |
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| 16:39.27 | olivierk | no mention of the nv driver, of the resolution, etc. |
| 16:40.37 | olivierk | Bsides, even with a low priority given to debconf, I am not asked any question during this sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. |
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| 16:44.31 | mlLK | could someone recommend me a good place to start for using debian as web server |
| 16:44.54 | pickcoder | mlLK: personal or public? |
| 16:45.16 | mlLK | pickcoder: public |
| 16:45.23 | mlLK | pickcoder: hosting multiple sites |
| 16:45.43 | pickcoder | do you have networking and domain knowledge? |
| 16:45.43 | Freeaqingme | mlLK, there some good ones on howtoforge.com |
| 16:46.09 | mlLK | pickcoder: no, but i got a good book on it. |
| 16:46.10 | Freeaqingme | mlLK, I would like to advise however to start with a hobby server for personal use... |
| 16:46.31 | mlLK | well it's more of a less a test build |
| 16:46.36 | mlLK | i have a free machine |
| 16:46.48 | mlLK | to abuse and fail at |
| 16:46.56 | pickcoder | I'd start with the apache 2.2 docs |
| 16:47.02 | mlLK | ya i have |
| 16:47.09 | pickcoder | grab a copy and play with the default vhost |
| 16:47.37 | mlLK | apache seems like half the battle then bind and all sorts of esoteric linux commands |
| 16:47.40 | pickcoder | networking and domain knowledge is critical with vhosts |
| 16:47.43 | magyar | hi, I have an issue where f-in windows XP activated my linux disk and damaged the ext3 partition, so it is not visible. I haven't formated the disk. Is there a way to recover data from it with ext tools? |
| 16:49.01 | pickcoder | #apache is a good resource for basic and beginner links |
| 16:49.23 | pickcoder | though most people, including me, will point you to the main docs siet |
| 16:49.28 | pickcoder | s/siet/site |
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| 16:49.52 | mlLK | after using dreamhost and exploring the fs i'm completely blown away since i've only used linux as single-user |
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| 16:51.02 | pickcoder | mlLK: there is a site with apache file layout guides for various distributions |
| 16:51.10 | pickcoder | the trigger in #apache is "default layout" |
| 16:51.13 | mlLK | would installing a debian server as a vm not be practical or place to practice? |
| 16:51.31 | adama_ | magyar: boot a linux live CD e.g. Ubuntu, then re-setup grub |
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| 16:53.55 | magyar | adama_, i don't need to boot into it, I gust need to mount it, but there is no partition |
| 16:53.57 | miksuh | adama_: why ubuntu, when there is now official debian livecd too (for lenny) |
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| 16:55.42 | adama_ | magyar: how are you trying to mount it? Do you have another linux install on that box? |
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| 16:59.34 | veritas_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/amd64/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso <-- is this KDE 4.1 or 35? |
| 16:59.37 | veritas_ | 3.5* |
| 16:59.40 | jthomas | I am trying to get the current SVN of Django working with Python2.5 on Etch; it has caused me to recompile mod_python against python2.5 but I still am getting errors that mod_python wants python2.4. How can I get this working? |
| 17:00.42 | wols_ | jthomas: have you backported the mod_python? |
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| 17:00.53 | wols_ | veritas_: 3.5 |
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| 17:01.22 | veritas_ | wols_: thanks |
| 17:01.26 | micols | how do you best secure your GPG private key? usb key or any other ideas , setting some special sticky permissions? |
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| 17:01.57 | micols | perhaps optimized for multiple machines using the same private key, workstation,server,laptop perhaps over nfs(insecure in itself) |
| 17:02.10 | magyar | adama_, yeap |
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| 17:02.33 | jthomas | wols_: how so? I installed checkinstall from source from Lenny repos; then "apt-get source libapache2-mod-python" cd blah blah, "./configure --prefix=/opt/mod_python --with-apxs=/usr/bin/apxs2 --with-python=/usr/bin/python" "make" "checkinstall" and insytalled that .deb |
| 17:03.55 | wols_ | !tell jthomas about ssb |
| 17:04.08 | wols_ | jthomas: they way you did it was bad |
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| 17:04.50 | dudeman | hello! people of the #debian |
| 17:04.55 | dudeman | whats kickin'? |
| 17:05.10 | n3kl | Yo dudeman! |
| 17:05.18 | dudeman | hey man |
| 17:05.29 | dudeman | I finaly got my sid converted to stable! |
| 17:05.38 | dudeman | yay i did the impossible and its pretty good/stable |
| 17:05.45 | liable | lies |
| 17:05.50 | dudeman | well |
| 17:05.52 | dudeman | 'almost stable' |
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| 17:05.55 | dudeman | heh |
| 17:05.56 | Ace2016_- | am i right in thinking that if i have a custom .openalrc file present then a new openal instance will run as my user and would want complete control of /dev/dsp? its just that i'm trying to get ut2004 to give surround sound |
| 17:06.01 | wols_ | liable: don't encourage his OTness please |
| 17:06.15 | dudeman | how is this ot, if you talk about converting sid to stable? |
| 17:06.19 | dudeman | are you on crack? |
| 17:06.23 | dudeman | I swear to god. |
| 17:06.25 | Ace2016_- | i have to kill artsd before it works, previously i did not have to kill artsd without the .openalrc file |
| 17:06.33 | wols_ | this is a SUPPORT channel.now please be quiet |
| 17:06.44 | dudeman | yes support for sid and stable... |
| 17:06.55 | wols_ | not a "see what I did" brag channel |
| 17:06.57 | jthomas | wols_ I did it bad? hmm :( why? Can I change the comfig options with that method? |
| 17:06.58 | dudeman | wols_, either /ignore dudeman or get the fuck off my dick. please. |
| 17:07.09 | Ace2016_- | converting sid to stable?!? |
| 17:07.09 | wols_ | jthomas: yes |
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| 17:07.16 | jthomas | ok yep i will ignore you, thanks dudeman |
| 17:07.28 | dudeman | :) |
| 17:07.37 | Ace2016_- | reinstall? |
| 17:07.45 | liable | wols_: jeez, why do you always want to bust my balls about this stuff? |
| 17:07.48 | Ace2016_- | or actually do it through apt somehow |
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| 17:08.15 | dudeman | no man |
| 17:08.28 | wols_ | liable: cause enoruaging his idiocy is abad thing.you should know that by now. he is a hopeless moron as everyone knows. you should know better however |
| 17:08.29 | dudeman | just changed it all to stable in apt sources and forced my way through it all |
| 17:08.32 | Ace2016_- | dudeman: does the system now contain any updated packages from sid working alongside etch's packages? |
| 17:08.44 | dudeman | wols_, please stop with the name calling |
| 17:09.00 | Ace2016_- | dudeman: what about the config files? |
| 17:09.03 | liable | wols_: i stated what was and should be known as a fact. i didnt encourage anything. |
| 17:09.04 | dudeman | its not advised |
| 17:09.12 | dudeman | I shouldn't even be discussing it |
| 17:09.22 | magyar | hi, I have an issue where f-in windows XP activated my linux disk and damaged the ext3 partition, so it is not visible. I haven't formated the disk. Is there a way to recover data from it with ext tools? |
| 17:09.25 | dudeman | I just felt like I needed to brag, like wols.. I mean Dr. Phil said. |
| 17:09.26 | jthomas | wols_ why, if i may ask, is building with checkinstall a bad idea if this is the only machine this will go onto? |
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| 17:09.53 | wols_ | jthomas: dependencies for example. and your paths are bad too. no debian package uses /opt |
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| 17:10.07 | dudeman | Ace2016_-, its an expendable box. I am experimenting... if it goes haywire, no problem. |
| 17:10.08 | n3kl | jthomas: its best to use the debian tools to build packages |
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| 17:10.23 | n3kl | jthomas: you may not see problems in thie specific build, but its bad practice |
| 17:10.38 | wols_ | jthomas: and if you use dpkg-buildpackage and you get a deb you get a proper package and the other packages play well together. you build your own backport |
| 17:10.45 | hejux | hi!everyone, i got an ARP attack in the LAN, how could i prevent this attack? |
| 17:10.48 | dudeman | Ace2016_-, I will probably reinstall eitherway it works out, but I'm just messing around and seeing things |
| 17:11.03 | n3kl | hejux: get a better switch |
| 17:11.07 | liable | wols_: if you can prove otherwise i would be happy to apologise. |
| 17:11.09 | dandc | how do I format/partition an external hd so that it mounts without any concept of permissions? |
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| 17:11.25 | dudeman | when rahul calls someone an idiot, he gets banned |
| 17:11.34 | dudeman | when wols calls me a hopeless moron nothing |
| 17:11.37 | dudeman | stew, way to go buddy. |
| 17:11.37 | n3kl | liable: what is wols proving? |
| 17:11.47 | hejux | n3kl, thanks, but , does a better swith help ? or do you mean a better route ? |
| 17:11.47 | nergal_ | hi, whats the device for serial (COM) ports in debian? isn't it tt00 for com1? |
| 17:11.56 | wols_ | nergal_: ttyS0 |
| 17:12.06 | nergal_ | ah thx |
| 17:12.16 | jthomas | ok thanks; so where in debian/rules do I add the configure flags? just edit the commented out "# ./configure ...." line ? |
| 17:12.25 | liable | n3kl: i dont know |
| 17:12.25 | n3kl | hejux: no, I know you can do it on some foundry and cisco switches is all. Other than that, find the machine that is causing the attack and pull the plug. |
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| 17:12.39 | wols_ | jthomas: depends on the flags. you could use CFLAGS for example |
| 17:12.54 | u_07 | This is my first time installing Debian (I have only installed the 1st Disc so far). How many of the Debian discs do I have to scan to get the telnetd package and the x-window-system twm package? I don't have internet access on the machine either. |
| 17:13.01 | jthomas | flags that I want are: "--with-apxs=/usr/bin/apxs2 --with-python=/usr/bin/python" |
| 17:13.10 | jthomas | i don't know what CFLAGS are |
| 17:13.16 | dudeman | hypocricy at its very best |
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| 17:13.21 | wols_ | jthomas: and read the factoid I gave you more carefully |
| 17:13.21 | liable | ask in #gentoo |
| 17:13.38 | n3kl | u_07: do the netinstall. Its my prefered and its only like 180M download. Then once the system is installed, you can get the resty of the packages your need from the internet |
| 17:13.54 | wols_ | u_07: X is on the first CD incl. twm |
| 17:13.55 | n3kl | u_07: nevermind |
| 17:14.04 | wols_ | u_07: why would you _want_ a telnet server? |
| 17:14.07 | n3kl | u_07: I just reread your post about no internet |
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| 17:14.30 | Ace2016_- | for learning to be a sysadmin? |
| 17:14.31 | jthomas | dpkg told me about building from source, so I asked it about "package recompile" and it says to edit debian/rules but it doesn't say how, wols_ |
| 17:14.31 | dpkg | jthomas: You are moron #4 |
| 17:14.37 | jthomas | thanks! |
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| 17:14.43 | hejux | n3kl, well , i could find the IP and MAC address and the computer name ,but i've got no idea how to find this man in the LAN ,cause i couldn't check their computer one by one , and , i am not the admin . |
| 17:14.45 | dudeman | of course not |
| 17:14.46 | u_07 | Actually, I guess all I really need is the x-window-sytem twm package. |
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| 17:14.55 | dudeman | if wols ever helps you past RTFM that will be the day. |
| 17:15.02 | u_07 | Do you know what disc that is on? |
| 17:15.02 | wols_ | u_07: there is no twm package |
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| 17:15.11 | liable | !cd contents |
| 17:15.11 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 17:15.16 | n3kl | hejux: what indication do you have of the attack? |
| 17:15.26 | liable | yes there is a twm |
| 17:15.34 | liable | !info twm |
| 17:15.40 | dpkg | twm: (Tab window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.0.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 109 kB, Installed size: 388 kB |
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| 17:15.55 | wols_ | liable: but no separate package for it. it was installed with Xorg when you instaleld that normally |
| 17:16.11 | wols_ | hmm, maybe they changed that? |
| 17:16.14 | hejux | n3kl, the network become very slow that i can only chat here and on msn, |
| 17:16.15 | n3kl | u_07: do you have a working debian system with internet, on teh same arch and release? |
| 17:16.31 | hejux | i think my network is limit by that man . |
| 17:16.40 | n3kl | hejux: that is no an indication of an arp attack |
| 17:16.53 | wols_ | hejux: anyone on your network using p2p? |
| 17:16.58 | hejux | is there any effective firewall that could prevent the ARP ? |
| 17:17.28 | wols_ | hejux: on a arp attack the switch is attacke from inside the lan.kinda hard to use afirewall there |
| 17:17.31 | n3kl | hejux: you can turn off arp for your machine, but you need to do so for all machines. Slow network is not an arp issue imo |
| 17:17.58 | n3kl | wols_: he could filter responses to arp requests on his individual machine, which I think is what he means |
| 17:17.59 | u_07 | I guess all I am really need is something like IceWM....just something type of X Window System. |
| 17:18.17 | n3kl | u_07: dood, download all the discs and be done with it |
| 17:18.18 | wols_ | u_07: then install Xorg |
| 17:18.19 | hejux | and arp attack could make an IP clash and also could limit the speed of someone's network even it could shut off one's network ... |
| 17:18.20 | u_07 | n3kl, no unfortunately I don't. |
| 17:18.38 | n3kl | u_07: can you get this machine internet access? |
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| 17:18.58 | wols_ | I really like the hate speaking out of that message: 19:18 <dudeman> I wish you never find kidneys and die soon, like tomorrow, or now. Good day bro :) |
| 17:19.16 | wols_ | note how my kidneys failed and I am on dialysis |
| 17:19.19 | dudeman | fabrications and lies. |
| 17:19.30 | dudeman | !ot |
| 17:19.31 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 17:19.33 | wols_ | a coward too. good to know |
| 17:19.39 | wols_ | stops now |
| 17:19.42 | dudeman | wols_, kindly take this to #debian-offtopic |
| 17:19.52 | dudeman | wols_, this is a support channel. Thank you. |
| 17:20.01 | dandc | how do you set ext3 to ignore permissions? |
| 17:20.15 | wols_ | dandc: you can't. permissions are inherent in the filesystem |
| 17:20.18 | liable | i think you guys should ignore eachother |
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| 17:20.38 | n3kl | dido |
| 17:20.45 | hejux | and i also got a DNS attack ,the result is when i use firefox to open a new website ,it always ask me to retry ,then i click retry , it'll be ok .... |
| 17:20.48 | stew | both of you can take a 10 minute break, and try to keep things civin, and on-topic in the future please. you both know better |
| 17:20.56 | stew | dudeman: wols_: ^^ |
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| 17:21.11 | hejux | i hate ARP in the LAN |
| 17:21.15 | dandc | wols_: does that mean that you can't format an external volume as ext3 if you're planning to use it on various machines at general user level? |
| 17:21.16 | n3kl | hejux: not every problem is an attack man |
| 17:21.26 | n3kl | hejux: arp allows you to be on the lan dood |
| 17:21.29 | hejux | some's pleased to play with it ... |
| 17:21.58 | n3kl | dandc: just give o+rwx on the fs |
| 17:22.12 | hejux | no recommand firewall ? |
| 17:22.14 | n3kl | dandc: or make sure that the user ids are the same |
| 17:22.26 | dandc | n3kl: what happens if I use a different computer as a different user? |
| 17:22.29 | liable | stew: in all fairness, they had already stopped. |
| 17:22.31 | hejux | my Nod32 couldn't make it ... |
| 17:22.33 | n3kl | hejux: dood, you don't know what you are doing. A firewall, as wols stated, will not help |
| 17:22.34 | dandc | does that mean I have to chown it each time I'm done? |
| 17:22.37 | dandc | *chmod |
| 17:22.49 | n3kl | dandc: then you need to have read access to the device |
| 17:23.04 | n3kl | dandc: no, like I said, give o+rwx and you will be fine |
| 17:23.39 | dandc | but then created files won't be world-read/writeable, unless I re-chmod each time I use |
| 17:23.51 | n3kl | you're not listening |
| 17:24.12 | n3kl | if you make them world readable/writable, it will stay that way no matter the machine that you are using |
| 17:24.13 | dandc | I have chmod o+rx on the drive, but the created files on the drive are 700 |
| 17:24.26 | n3kl | dandc: thats why you don't make them 700 |
| 17:24.40 | n3kl | permissions on a usb disk are freaking pointless anyway |
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| 17:24.53 | dandc | I'm well aware of that |
| 17:24.55 | hejux | by the way, i am under the window sever 2003 sp2 ,lol |
| 17:25.00 | dandc | which is why I'm trying to figure out how to get rid of them |
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| 17:25.06 | n3kl | hejux: wtf man |
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| 17:25.55 | dandc | n3kl: I didn't make the permissions that way on files, scp did. I'm trying to figure out a solution that doesn't involve me doing a chmod before unmounting the drive to allow use later on |
| 17:26.14 | hejux | lol |
| 17:26.14 | n3kl | dandc: start with this: "think" |
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| 17:26.32 | n3kl | hejux: if you don't have a debian related question, please take it elsehwere |
| 17:26.40 | hejux | i decide to change to linux ... i think this will help |
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| 17:27.24 | hejux | n3kl, sorry,man |
| 17:27.25 | dandc | n3kl: I "think" that i need to reformat as fat, because it behaves well as an external. I "hope" this is wrong, and I can use ext3, but I "wonder" how this is possible :( |
| 17:27.53 | Freeaqingme | What are the advantages of apt-get over aptitude? |
| 17:28.44 | stew | Freeaqingme: it runs a little faster. aptitude has many other advantages over apt-get and is the recommended tool: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 17:29.31 | Freeaqingme | ty. For some reason all tutorials and stuff use apt-get, so I'm just being curious (because all I hear about aptitude are advantages over apt-get) |
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| 17:31.10 | dustybin | are there lots of job opportunites out in the big wide world with regards to debian sys admins? |
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| 17:31.33 | n3kl | dandc: ok, so what I have is the same uid on all teh system I work with. If this is not how you have your setup, then what you need to do is give world readable and world writable permissions to all files on teh device. Once this is done, you will not have an issue moving from machine to machine |
| 17:31.48 | stew | Freeaqingme: that is for the most part due to the fact that apt-get was the defacto tool for so long that it has become very ingrained |
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| 17:32.10 | wols_ | dandc: read up on setgid and setuid. that might be able to do what you want |
| 17:32.12 | Freeaqingme | stew, I c. ty |
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| 17:32.35 | dandc | n3kl: unfortunately, not only does my UID varies from machine to machine, but I have root on none of them. As far as I can tell, whenever I create new files/directories on the drive, i'll have to make sure they are 777. Is this correct? |
| 17:32.56 | wols_ | dandc: how can you mount without root privs |
| 17:33.17 | dandc | wols_: the drive automounts |
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| 17:33.39 | calamari | hi |
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| 17:35.46 | calamari | I have a package installed that has a newer version on the repository.. a friend installed the newer package, which hosed up.. He'd like to go back to the old version.. I checked in /var/cache/apt/archives and unfortunately I don't have the deb for it anymore. Is it possible to reconstruct the deb based on what I have installed? |
| 17:36.21 | wols_ | !tell calamari about sdn |
| 17:36.32 | dudeman | calamari, you can try ... nm |
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| 17:36.53 | abrotman | though sdn is kind of missing some stuff |
| 17:36.59 | dudeman | abrotman, like? |
| 17:37.00 | dandc | wols_: am I SOL for using an ext3 external with my unusual setup? (varying UIDs, no root perms) |
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| 17:37.06 | calamari | sorry, this was a 3rd party repo |
| 17:37.08 | abrotman | dudeman: like .. packages .. duh |
| 17:37.12 | dudeman | lol |
| 17:37.18 | abrotman | there are gaps in it lately |
| 17:37.25 | dudeman | abrotman, no I mean like what, besides the obvious data loss from a few years back. |
| 17:37.33 | dudeman | oh... |
| 17:37.34 | wols_ | dandc: I gave you a pointer which might be able to do what you want |
| 17:37.42 | abrotman | ask lontra whatever he was looking for the other day that was MIA |
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| 17:37.48 | dudeman | uhuh |
| 17:38.20 | stew | abrotman: i don't think it has been updated since may 5 |
| 17:38.24 | dandc | wols_: you can set the setuid bit on a volume? o.O |
| 17:38.34 | wols_ | dandc: on files |
| 17:38.48 | wols_ | directories are files too |
| 17:38.56 | abrotman | see .. like that! |
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| 17:39.32 | dandc | interesting... i wonder if creating a shell script that's owned by root with suid on it would allow me to run things as root on these systems |
| 17:39.39 | dandc | it would sure solve my permissions problems... |
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| 17:40.21 | abrotman | well .. that'll make sdn kind of useless |
| 17:40.23 | calamari | hmm, I suppose I could probably at least get the files by rigging something up with python |
| 17:40.34 | fat-lobyte | how can I find out which packages from the Non- Free and the Contrib section I have installed? |
| 17:40.45 | wols_ | dandc: sticky bit is another way |
| 17:40.48 | calamari | wouldn't get any install scripts, but I guess those are gone anyways |
| 17:41.02 | abrotman | fat-lobyte: vrms might help |
| 17:41.08 | wols_ | dandc: in fact I |
| 17:41.18 | wols_ | in fact I'd use the sticky bit |
| 17:41.26 | jthomas | wols_: ok I have followed the instructions both for installing from source, and also for editing it to compile with my options; I still am getting errors on my website for Django trying to use Python2.4, and when I tried installing the build .deb my dpkg result was, "Errors were encountered while processing: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" |
| 17:41.50 | jthomas | ( I want it to use Python2.5) |
| 17:41.52 | dandc | oh, excellent, thanks wols_ :). So I just turn off the sticky bit on the drive, and anyone can do anything since the whole thing is 777? |
| 17:42.38 | jthomas | would i be better off upgrading this whole system to Lenny? does Lenny have mod_python specifically for Python2.5 ? |
| 17:42.41 | wols_ | jthomas: FULL output of your try to install it |
| 17:42.51 | jthomas | ok one moment I'll pastebin that |
| 17:43.09 | fat-lobyte | abrotman: Virtual Richard Stallman :-D I think that's what I need |
| 17:45.50 | jthomas | wols_ the install part starts on line 458: http://pastebin.ca/1199139 |
| 17:46.04 | dandc | thanks for all the help, wols_ and n3kl :) I gotta run off to class now |
| 17:47.51 | wols_ | jthomas: I'd remove ALL of python and then start again installing everything |
| 17:48.06 | wols_ | jthomas: but yes, using lenny would be easier me thinks |
| 17:48.08 | jthomas | thats where it was at yesterday |
| 17:48.20 | jthomas | ok since this is all that is on this system, maybe I'll shoot for that |
| 17:48.22 | wols_ | PS: if you remove python stuff don't forget to purge |
| 17:48.27 | jthomas | yeah |
| 17:48.37 | jthomas | i fear it will also want to remove apache2 and other stuff then |
| 17:48.42 | wols_ | jthomas: but you have python2.4 stuff installed |
| 17:48.47 | wols_ | and that might trip you up |
| 17:48.50 | jthomas | i cannot get rid of it |
| 17:49.00 | jthomas | python2.5 pulled 2.4 with it |
| 17:49.05 | wols_ | apache doesn't depend on python |
| 17:49.30 | wols_ | then the python2.5 in etch is imho no good for you |
| 17:49.47 | jthomas | so it seems. thanks for the lessons today with building! |
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| 17:50.50 | abrotman | fat-lobyte: though i'm not sure if vrms does contrib |
| 17:51.31 | fat-lobyte | abrotman: it does quite well. BTW why are Documentations of Core GNU Components such as Make, and GCC in Non- free? |
| 17:51.41 | abrotman | !gfdl |
| 17:51.42 | dpkg | it has been said that gfdl is probably the GNU "free" documentation license, see discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html. See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
| 17:51.45 | abrotman | or ask jelly |
| 17:51.57 | abrotman | fat-lobyte: GFDL is not DFSG-free |
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| 17:52.10 | liable | pfft, flash kills the weasel again! |
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| 17:52.16 | fat-lobyte | abrotman: what's the missing freedom in short? |
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| 17:52.26 | liable | i am tiring of this |
| 17:52.29 | abrotman | i don't recall .. invariant section maybe? |
| 17:52.44 | abrotman | (2) How does it fail to meet Debian's standards for Free Software? |
| 17:52.44 | abrotman | The GFDL conflicts with traditional requirements for free software in a variety of ways, some of which are expanded upon below. As a copyleft license, one of the consequences of this is that it is not possible to include content from a document directly into free software under the GFDL. |
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| 17:52.54 | Mike1 | hey |
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| 17:53.57 | iveqy | in witch file do I add a script that should run everytime a user is logged in? |
| 17:54.12 | Mike1 | if you use KDE |
| 17:54.32 | Mike1 | you can use the ~/.kde/Autostart dir :) |
| 17:55.00 | Mike1 | I'm using laptop-mode to power down the HDD of my second PC, which only serves as SAMBA-server and for downloading torrents |
| 17:55.01 | fat-lobyte | abrotman: That's sad. However, with the help of vrms I can claim my System "nearly fully free software". Wireless Card Firmware and Graphics Card driver spoil the good feeling though. |
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| 17:55.17 | iveqy | I'm after a systemwide, non windowmanager dependent solution. I only whant to edit one file.. |
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| 17:55.44 | Mike1 | in my opinion it wakes up too often...is it possible to change this? maybe by using my old 512MB USB Key? :D |
| 17:55.53 | Mike1 | iveqy: mhh |
| 17:56.24 | Mike1 | iveqy: maybe its possible by using the .bashrc :) |
| 17:56.39 | Mike1 | or with a /etc/init.d script |
| 17:56.45 | iveqy | maybe, but I recall there was a better solution |
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| 18:01.34 | enouf | iveqy: /etc/rc.local |
| 18:01.40 | n3kl | do laptop-mode and powersaved conflict? |
| 18:02.08 | maligor | aren't those two entirely different things |
| 18:02.19 | n3kl | um, I think there is overlap |
| 18:02.21 | maligor | powersaved being a cpu frequency manipulator |
| 18:02.49 | maligor | and laptop-mode just configured the kernel to be more laptop friendly |
| 18:02.50 | n3kl | thats only one thing it does |
| 18:04.17 | dudeman | enouf, oye |
| 18:04.36 | enouf | iveqy: my bad, what i said is system wide, but not user login dependent, so i guess something motd-ish, like /etc/motd.tail ? |
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| 18:08.08 | abrotman | /etc/profile for interactive shells |
| 18:10.43 | puff | I have postfix installed with spamassassin filtering mail at the MTA level. At first this caught almost all the spam, but now hundreds of spams get through. |
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| 18:11.18 | Throat | Mike1, I don't think you can prevent waking up easily... I think essentially the disk wakes up when the kernel wants to write to it - so you would need to prevent writing to the disk to make it wake up more often; perhaps if you put /var/log on that usb stick you mentioned.... |
| 18:11.43 | Throat | puff, do the mails have the spamassassin tag? |
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| 18:13.17 | puff | Throat: Yeah, but they all score 3 stars or less. |
| 18:13.45 | xand | is it possible to see the "uptime" for a network interface? |
| 18:13.49 | Throat | hm, ok, sounded like it's not processed by spamassassin at all to me |
| 18:14.43 | Mike1 | Throat: yeah, I allready thought about that |
| 18:14.50 | stew | Mike1: you can increate the writeback cache time using /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs it defaults to 5 seconds (500 centisecs) |
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| 18:14.56 | puff | I didn't do anything besides install and set it all up... no sa-learn or anything. |
| 18:15.09 | stew | Mike1: that would cause it to wait more time before it decides to spin up the disks to write stuff out |
| 18:15.10 | Throat | puff, well, you can always adjust your filters... |
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| 18:15.33 | Mike1 | stew: allready at 36002 :) |
| 18:15.41 | Throat | puff, ah - exactly I forgot the name, but wanted to suggest using the bayesian filters on the spam you get |
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| 18:15.50 | Throat | puff, that normally gets pretty good results |
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| 18:16.59 | Throat | puff, just be sure you're not mis-training them on something stupid... like... if all of them are tagged by some other software, the bayesian filter will find that tag a very good indicator to decide if it's spam or not (spamassassin does filter it's own tags with sa-learn) |
| 18:17.02 | olivierk | Under etch, ssh-add in xterm would always work: I read that X was laucnhed under ssh-agent |
| 18:17.19 | olivierk | Under lenny, it does not work anymore (for me) |
| 18:17.42 | puff | Throat: how do I run sa-learn for MTA-level filtering? I guess run it as the same user who runs postfix/spamassassin? |
| 18:17.44 | SidGBF | Doesn't exist LAME in debian repository |
| 18:18.00 | Throat | puff, also, I think there are different configurations/blocklists around on the internet, that you can download |
| 18:18.04 | puff | Throat: Yeah, the classic version of that mistake is running it with old spam, so it decides older dates means spam :-). |
| 18:18.24 | puff | Throat: I just want it to work, dangit :-). |
| 18:18.52 | Throat | puff, which is not untrue :) pretty often spammers overload their hacked servers, so mails arrive 1-2 days after they're sent :-P |
| 18:19.35 | SidGBF | I mean, Lame MP3 |
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| 18:20.04 | n3kl | SidGBF: its in multimedia |
| 18:20.15 | SidGBF | it means... |
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| 18:20.19 | Throat | puff, well, it's always a trade-off... you cannot get 100% perfect recognition - and the more you block, the more you risk blocking legitimate mail |
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| 18:20.58 | SidGBF | Damn... ffmpeg is always a headache |
| 18:21.02 | Throat | puff, just go through the configuration - there are other things that might not be enabled... |
| 18:21.59 | Posterdati | please I need help for HDA NVidia sound and microphone |
| 18:22.00 | Throat | puff, bear in mind, though, that spamassassin can be quite a drain on your CPU - I ran it just for myself when I still used the address karsten@web.de, which got about... uh, dunno, perhaps 50 spams/day |
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| 18:22.49 | Throat | puff, I used to fetch them with fetchmail - and a decent protion of the time to get the mails seemed to stem from spamassin needing to process it (it was just a PIII 500) |
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| 18:23.12 | Throat | puff, seems a lot of it is written in perl - and not written very efficiently as to that matter |
| 18:23.40 | Throat | puff, some of these should be already enabled in your config: http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists |
| 18:24.29 | Throat | Posterdati, that is not a question |
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| 18:24.58 | yates | i'm getting these message log errors: Sep 10 14:03:27 yates-laptop kernel: [40629.863573] psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost sync at byte 4 |
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| 18:25.08 | DexterF | hi |
| 18:25.11 | Posterdati | Throat: that's an help request |
| 18:25.16 | n3kl | Why is metasploit not included in debian? |
| 18:25.22 | yates | they accompany my touchpad "double-tap-and-hold to drag" function going out regularly, |
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| 18:25.45 | n3kl | yates: try the synaptics driver |
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| 18:26.12 | yates | n3kl: this is actually ubuntu 8.04 - should i still try the synaptics? |
| 18:26.29 | n3kl | yates: this is not #ubuntu |
| 18:26.32 | n3kl | please go away |
| 18:26.47 | Throat | Posterdati, so you think someone in here will read your mind, figure out your exact problem from that and then tell you the solution? |
| 18:27.05 | DexterF | tried exluding a package from apt, so I put Package: firefox Version Pin: version 2* Pin-Priority: -1 in preferences. (3 lines of course). apt complained the file was broken. Am I missing something on the syntax? |
| 18:27.10 | n3kl | Posterdati: throad is asking you to say something usefull so we can hel you |
| 18:27.10 | yates | n3kl: isn't ubuntu based on debian? |
| 18:27.21 | n3kl | yates: this is not ubuntu! |
| 18:27.26 | Throat | Posterdati, that's not how it works - you try to fix whatever your problem is, when you get stuck you ask in here, and people will normally gladly try to unstick you |
| 18:27.32 | Mike1 | Ubuntu suckZ :) |
| 18:27.32 | yates | n3kl: isn't ubuntu based on debian? |
| 18:27.51 | keith4 | !based on |
| 18:27.51 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 18:27.54 | yates | if there's a problem with debian, then i'm in the right place |
| 18:28.03 | yates | and it's bleeding into ubuntu |
| 18:28.08 | Posterdati | Throat: audio works but the microphone |
| 18:28.10 | yates | what's wrong with that logic? |
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| 18:28.32 | n3kl | yates: yeah, problem is, YOU'RE NOT RUNNING DEBIAN! |
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| 18:28.43 | DexterF | yates: my advice: don't try. you'll wind up in an argument and still get no help, just try #ubuntu. |
| 18:29.15 | Posterdati | Throat: I got input tab on kmix |
| 18:29.24 | yates | does the latest version of debian come with gnome and the nm-applet? |
| 18:29.41 | Throat | yates, what's wrong is that I, e.g. don't have ubuntu installed at all - so suppose I tell you to do something that would work perfectly well on your system, but it doesnt on yours... that leads to frustration all over for both of us (or anyone else in here helping you) and as such nobody will answer you, because we wouldn't enjoy it |
| 18:29.46 | maligor | yates, you mean etch? |
| 18:30.06 | keith4 | debian doesn't "come with" very much at all |
| 18:30.11 | keith4 | it's almost all optional |
| 18:30.22 | n3kl | I love it |
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| 18:30.32 | abrotman | yates: you need to ask #ubuntu. This channel is for Debian support |
| 18:30.46 | yates | abrotman: why would i ask a debian question in ubuntu? |
| 18:30.55 | abrotman | because you're using Ubuntu, not Debian |
| 18:31.02 | yates | my most recent question is a debian question |
| 18:31.05 | DexterF | I told him. I definetely told him. |
| 18:31.08 | DexterF | gets popcorn |
| 18:31.17 | abrotman | yates: which version of Debian? |
| 18:31.21 | maligor | gets lemonade |
| 18:31.28 | Throat | Posterdati, hm, does the microphone work at all? On my laptop (with hda), the circuit just seems broken somehow... |
| 18:31.31 | yates | abrotman: oh, so if you dno't have debian installed you can't ask a question here, even if it is distinctly a debian questino? |
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| 18:31.33 | Throat | gets coffee |
| 18:31.34 | abrotman | yates: which version of Debian? |
| 18:31.50 | Posterdati | Throat: yes it works on another debian lenny with different audio chips |
| 18:31.52 | maligor | yates, the answer is that, yes, debian repositories have both items in question |
| 18:32.11 | Throat | yates, it is as I explained - you can ask all you like but to prevent being frustrated, nobody will answer you |
| 18:32.27 | abrotman | no .. actually he can't ask |
| 18:32.36 | abrotman | he's offtopic |
| 18:32.48 | DexterF | as I predicted... |
| 18:32.49 | Posterdati | Throat: I dunno which swicth must I flick to make mic works |
| 18:33.09 | yates | abrotman: 4.0r4 |
| 18:33.18 | abrotman | yates: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 18:33.44 | keith4 | yates: packages.debian.org can tell you what is or is not available in the debian repos |
| 18:34.00 | yates | keith4: finally a reasonable response - thanks |
| 18:34.02 | Throat | Posterdati, try to use alsamixer, if you're using alsa - unmute the microphone (press 'm') and a possible microphone boost |
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| 18:34.16 | Posterdati | Throat: ok |
| 18:34.17 | Throat | Posterdati, press [tab] in alsamixer to get to the recording devices |
| 18:34.22 | yates | actually , with a bunch of complete and total jackasses here, hell will freeze over before i use this os |
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| 18:34.31 | maligor | heh |
| 18:34.34 | keith4 | finally |
| 18:34.36 | n3kl | good |
| 18:34.53 | Posterdati | Throat: I got a "Front Mic", "Mic boost" |
| 18:34.57 | keith4 | maybe I should go to #ubuntu and ask for help with debian |
| 18:35.02 | n3kl | ubuntu fanboys piss me off |
| 18:35.10 | maligor | I just hope they don't release DNF... hell would freeze over |
| 18:35.15 | Throat | Posterdati, and set the "capture" flag (space bar) on the microphone channel - also, set all channels you suspect being involved to 70% |
| 18:35.59 | liable | fuck sake. youtube says my flash is too old. what kind of shit fucking company endorses open source and demands the latest flash. |
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| 18:36.24 | maligor | using gnash/swfdec? |
| 18:36.27 | DexterF | liable: "do no evil" ;) |
| 18:36.32 | cahoot | Posterdati: http://home.cfl.rr.com/infofiles/record.html - might jelp |
| 18:36.37 | liable | no no fucking good |
| 18:36.43 | n3kl | maligor: gnash is flaky for me. Does it work well for you? |
| 18:36.58 | maligor | last I tried them, swfdec was better |
| 18:37.08 | Posterdati | Throat: no way |
| 18:37.11 | maligor | but haven't used them of recent |
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| 18:37.42 | maligor | gnash had some bad stability issues back then atleast |
| 18:37.42 | n3kl | maligor: do I just apt-get install it |
| 18:37.44 | n3kl | ? |
| 18:37.59 | maligor | swfdec-mozilla if you mean the plugin |
| 18:38.01 | Throat | keith4, do that... but as far as I learned from people coming from there, it is that people come here, because everyone there is clueless (and more or less citing one of the guys who came here saying that) |
| 18:38.17 | puff | Throat: do you know of a good tutorial on this stuff? |
| 18:38.24 | n3kl | maligor: yeah, alright, thanks |
| 18:38.30 | puff | Throat: More of a step-by-step, i.e. check this, seeif it's x or y, then checkthat, etc. |
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| 18:40.48 | Throat | puff, no, just what google can give you :) I stopped fiddeling with spamassassin ca. 2 years ago, when it became apparent that that web.de address was impractical (the account would fill to the limit if I didn't fetch mails for 3 days and emails would become rejected - and despite all filtering 2-3 mails not for me would come through, despite all filtering - many of them "legitimate" newsletters, that fellow bearers of the name "karsten" ha |
| 18:40.48 | Throat | d subscribed me to) |
| 18:40.49 | Posterdati | cahoot: no way |
| 18:41.11 | Kiyaku | Hi everyone. i have question. i got a new root server. my email adress is still on another server and i changed the MX entry to my new server. But my new root server rejects the emails coming from my old one. Any hints how i can fix that? |
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| 18:41.30 | puff | Throat: Hm, don't see anything about blocklists in my config. |
| 18:41.38 | puff | peruses howtoforge for advice. |
| 18:42.04 | Throat | cahoot, good on yer! that was the page I was trying to remember to refer him to :) |
| 18:42.30 | cahoot | Throat: his response wasn't too encouraging though |
| 18:42.48 | Kiyaku | im running a postfix server on the new one. so i somehow can't get the right settings |
| 18:43.04 | Throat | cahoot, indeed... guess he'll have to grow into it :) |
| 18:43.08 | maplebed | Throat: any suggestions for a current package to use for spam mitigation if spamassassin isn't doing it? |
| 18:43.25 | adr3nalin3_ | Hello everyone, I am having a strange problem with debian etch n and half. I am trying to install it on a server with RAID 1 and a 2 TB (raid created) LVM. The formatting always stops at 33%. I haven't given it ample time and it never proceeds. I have also used gparted to partition the disk already. |
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| 18:43.39 | adr3nalin3_ | haven't = have |
| 18:44.28 | liable | adr3nalin3_: best to ask on the debian-boot mailing list |
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| 18:45.23 | Throat | maplebed, no... spamassassin is probably still the best (?) |
| 18:45.31 | maplebed | ::sigh:: |
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| 18:45.52 | maplebed | no longer trusts his mail server, having lost a good number of real messages |
| 18:46.11 | maplebed | (though tbh, it's the combination of spamassassin and a gargantuan procmailrc file that's screwing me) |
| 18:46.40 | raz | rubs his eyes |
| 18:47.17 | adr3nalin3_ | liable: k thanks |
| 18:47.31 | Throat | maplebed, tell me if you find something better, though - perhaps I'll have a need for it again soon :) |
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| 18:47.47 | micols | where is it now that debian stores dpkg -l information i.e. packages installed? |
| 18:47.52 | maplebed | ok... That's a big 'if' so don't keep your hopes up. |
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| 18:48.17 | \amethyst | micols: /var/lib/dpkg/ |
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| 18:48.19 | Throat | puff, what plugins do you load in /etc/spamassassin/init.pre ? |
| 18:48.21 | liable | adr3nalin3_: unfortunately, the list is your best bet. the d-i is a bit of black magic compared to normal debian |
| 18:48.37 | \amethyst | micols: look in the FILES section of man dpkg |
| 18:49.16 | liable | adr3nalin3_: but the list is generally resonsive |
| 18:50.03 | Throat | adr3nalin3_, what do you do for formatting? |
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| 18:51.00 | Throat | adr3nalin3_, and does dmesg show any errors? |
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| 18:51.12 | adr3nalin3_ | Throat: I go with the defaults, all in one partition ext3 |
| 18:51.17 | micols | \amethyst: libwine-gl: Depends: libwine (= 0.9.25-2.1) but 1.1.1~winehq0~debian~4.0-1 is to be installed |
| 18:51.25 | micols | any idea how to fix, i am not mixing stable and testing |
| 18:51.34 | adr3nalin3_ | Throat: can I access dmesg during install? |
| 18:51.41 | micols | i tried removing all wine references from status after removing wine completely --puge |
| 18:51.44 | micols | purge |
| 18:51.50 | micols | and apt-get update on debian etch |
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| 18:52.01 | revlo | is security.debian.org down? |
| 18:52.03 | adr3nalin3_ | I'm thinking there must be some compatibility issue with LSI1068e raid controller |
| 18:52.18 | micols | \amethyst: http://rafb.net/p/HN8f2859.html |
| 18:52.34 | talexb | So I'm trying out a preinst for my package, and I'm discovering that even if preinst fails, the postinst still runs. Why is that? |
| 18:52.54 | talexb | I was kinda hoping that if preinst failed, the whole process would stop dead in the water. |
| 18:53.04 | liable | talexb: try #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 18:53.16 | talexb | liable, OK, will do. Thanks. |
| 18:53.28 | adr3nalin3_ | lol |
| 18:53.52 | stew | talexb: http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/MaintainerScripts |
| 18:53.53 | Throat | adr3nalin3_, oh, you're in the setup routine... wasn't aware of that - yeah, you probably can by switching to another console |
| 18:53.58 | \amethyst | micols: sounds like you're using some non-debian packages 1.1.1~winehq0~debian~4.0-1 |
| 18:54.37 | \amethyst | micols: you will need a corresponding version of libwine-gl --- hopefully the winehq folks provide one (your package manager only seems to know about the etch version) |
| 18:54.54 | \amethyst | micols: if they don't, you'll have to remove libwine-gl |
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| 18:55.52 | micols | \amethyst: well its not a bug in the debian wine etch package? |
| 18:56.01 | micols | it referencing to a lenny libwine-gl ? |
| 18:56.04 | stew | talexb: the postinst is still called but with some "abort-*" parameter |
| 18:56.24 | micols | i cannot fix it :( |
| 18:56.38 | micols | unless i upgrade my libc6 which i won't |
| 18:57.25 | n3kl | Do I have to be a hard core programmer to be a package maintainer? |
| 18:57.33 | stew | n3kl: no |
| 18:57.51 | talexb | OK .. "The next step in complexity (and it's a big step) is doing an install that is actually upgrading an already installed package." .. and that's what I'm doing. |
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| 18:58.25 | stew | talexb: so if the preinst fails, the postinst is called with 'abort-upgrade $version' |
| 18:58.46 | n3kl | are debian package maintainers "in demand" ? |
| 18:58.52 | stew | talexb: (which is the chance to undo anything that might have been done by the aborted preinst) |
| 18:58.54 | talexb | stew .. Oh. |
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| 18:59.18 | talexb | No, my postinst script is pretty stupid -- doesn't look at command line at all .. my bad. |
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| 18:59.37 | talexb | But then, I've inherited this package .. and I'm new to dpkg .. |
| 18:59.53 | talexb | Stew, But thanks, that explains a lot. |
| 19:00.11 | stew | n3kl: /msg dpkg wnpp ; if you are looking for other ways to help, the best way you can help now is with rc bugs: bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php or http://qa.debian.org |
| 19:00.13 | micols | anyone got an idea how to fix this package problem? http://rafb.net/p/HN8f2859.html libwine-gl: Depends: libwine (= 0.9.25-2.1) but 1.1.1~winehq0~debian~4.0-1 is to be installed , i can fine install wine and libwine which i have right now.. its installed, but i cannot install libwine-gl it seems to require a newer libc6 or the like? |
| 19:00.25 | liable | talexb: really, ask on the mentors channel, and mailing list. |
| 19:01.38 | n3kl | stew: I would like to contribute, but I am not a programmer. I cahn shell script and do some perl |
| 19:01.49 | Throat | micols, you should probably either uninstall all debian wine packages and just go with the winehq ones or get rid of the winehq packages |
| 19:02.41 | micols | Throat: i even did apt-get remove wine* libwine* --purge |
| 19:04.22 | talexb | liable Thanks .. connected, logged in, then realized that stew's URL gave me all the information I needed. |
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| 19:05.06 | Throat | micols, yes, and? |
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| 19:05.35 | dudeman | you don't need to be a programmer |
| 19:05.35 | stew | n3kl: a lot of bugfixing can be done without knowing how to program. there are a lot of bugs that just need a tweak to a makefile, or need an updated copyright file or something. You could check http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php for bugs in perl packages, you can check http://debian.org/devel/wnpp/ for RFA or Orphaned perl module packages that you might want to maintain |
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| 19:05.52 | noboru | hi guys,good morning |
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| 19:06.04 | dudeman | good $time |
| 19:06.13 | dudeman | :) |
| 19:06.19 | noboru | i am having a very annoying problem |
| 19:06.30 | n3kl | stew: cool. I am looking over the qa stuff and orphaned packages nwo. Thanks for the info |
| 19:06.39 | noboru | debian is cool,but using debian as a webhosting platform is a headache |
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| 19:07.01 | vargadanis | noboru: is it? |
| 19:07.08 | Timberwolf5578 | Can anyone here tell me if Debian Lenny is stable?? |
| 19:07.11 | stew | n3kl: there is also always: http://qa.debian.org/man-pages.html |
| 19:07.17 | stew | Timberwolf5578: not yet |
| 19:07.18 | noboru | vargadanis, indeed |
| 19:07.19 | vargadanis | noboru: I think just the opposite ^_^ |
| 19:07.26 | stew | Timberwolf5578: /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 19:07.28 | vargadanis | noboru: why do you think so? |
| 19:07.39 | adama_ | noboru: I'm going to have to go with vargadanis on this one |
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| 19:07.49 | bender183 | anyone here ever use hostways or peer1 for hosting before? |
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| 19:08.00 | noboru | vargadanis, because i am using debian to do webhostings in China, and i do not have a working 'keyword' filtering system for linux ,thus, it is a headache |
| 19:08.07 | stew | !lenny status is also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 19:08.08 | dpkg | okay, stew |
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| 19:08.34 | liable | noboru: and why would debian be any different to redhat in that regard? |
| 19:08.35 | vargadanis | noboru: would fedora or red hat be a solution to your problem? |
| 19:08.37 | noboru | vargadanis, thus, i receive the phone call from the chinese cyber cops very often for findnig those keywords on my server :( |
| 19:08.46 | n3kl | stew: do I have to register somewhere or something? |
| 19:09.01 | JoshH | if i have 3 monitors and 2 x screens ( a twinview, and an additional second screen), how can i get a screenshot of all 3? i tried with import -window root, and gimp, and they only get one of the screens |
| 19:09.05 | vargadanis | noboru: I c... yet I don't think it is debian related at all |
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| 19:09.44 | dudeman | JoshH, afaik scrot will take a shot of the entire framebuffer |
| 19:09.45 | noboru | no it is not debian related, since i use debian i dont think i could complain this in redhat channel ,anyway ...i am sorry :( |
| 19:10.00 | dudeman | JoshH, try 'scrot' |
| 19:10.04 | JoshH | thanks, i'll try that out |
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| 19:10.47 | vargadanis | noboru: do not be sorry... design a keyword filtering application and start a project :) |
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| 19:11.15 | vargadanis | noboru: I can help you out with some C knowledge... |
| 19:11.19 | adama_ | noboru: how about: for i in (bad words) ; do grep -ri $i /var/www/vhosts/*/htdocs ;done or something? |
| 19:11.58 | stew | n3kl: there are procedures for adopting a package, or filing an ITP (/msg dpkg itp), but if you want to help with bugs or other stuff, just start sending patches to the bts |
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| 19:12.02 | noboru | hmm |
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| 19:13.14 | JoshH | worked, thanks dudeman |
| 19:13.17 | adama_ | not being really sure what the cyber cops are trying to prevent exactly |
| 19:13.36 | n3kl | stew: so I don't checkout a cvs or something and make changes there? Hmm, alright, I will read up on teh links you have sent. |
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| 19:14.26 | vargadanis | would be able to be more helpful if noboru told him what are the cops complaining about |
| 19:14.55 | stew | n3kl: in general you just send patches. if you want to eventually join, for instead the perl team, they keep all of their packages in a svn repository that you could ask for access to, but you certainly don't need it to start contributing |
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| 19:15.33 | \amethyst | vargadanis: probably hosted websites containing various words like 'Tiananmen' |
| 19:15.54 | noboru | vargadanis, keywords are matched,thus,i got called from them,told me to delete the related info in 30 minutes or so ,or they cut off the internet. |
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| 19:16.27 | n3kl | stew: nice |
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| 19:17.01 | noboru | vargadanis, besides ome solid keywords, many of them are changing, i mean,those words are up2date (funny), when they think they are no good for ...(politics mostly), they add them as the illegal interent words. |
| 19:17.11 | noboru | ome-> some |
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| 19:17.17 | vargadanis | noboru: I c... in that case I think it would be a good thing to maintain a list of those words and run an app every 29 mins that checks it |
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| 19:18.02 | vargadanis | noboru: that can be done with crontab and with a perl script or python |
| 19:18.04 | noboru | vargadanis, would you think that will work ? i mean those words are written in chinese characters. |
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| 19:18.52 | vargadanis | noboru: oh... well, there should be chinese support but that makes things a bit more diffucult |
| 19:19.35 | noboru | vargadanis, hmm |
| 19:19.40 | vargadanis | so eg what does Tiananmen in chinese look like? |
| 19:20.12 | noboru | that usually is a sensitive word . that is a location , a building exactly |
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| 19:20.47 | twalleytdub | any of you guys have recon |
| 19:20.57 | noboru | vargadanis, hold on,let me show you |
| 19:21.02 | vargadanis | alright |
| 19:21.25 | twalleytdub | can you get me recon or do you no how |
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| 19:21.40 | vargadanis | in the meanwhile I want to ask you guys if you know any ways to download the deb packages and use that location as an offline source of installing packages? |
| 19:21.42 | stew | twalleytdub: what is recon? |
| 19:22.02 | vargadanis | stew: I know what is a recon ship in EVE :) |
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| 19:22.11 | twalleytdub | recon armor |
| 19:22.33 | adama_ | vargadanis: well you can install .deb files you have downloaded like: dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 19:22.48 | stew | twalleytdub: is this somehow related to debian? |
| 19:22.51 | twalleytdub | is that for recon armor do you have recon armor |
| 19:23.03 | adama_ | vargadanis: and you can use apt to download the debs, they are stored in something like /var/cache/apt/ |
| 19:23.21 | twalleytdub | what r u talking about |
| 19:23.34 | stew | twalleytdub: do you have a debian related question? |
| 19:23.42 | twalleytdub | wat is tht |
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| 19:24.03 | vargadanis | adama_: i need a solution for this: I want to do a prezentation on installing a few things (LMAP) and there will be no internet at all... I will also need a fresh install |
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| 19:24.23 | datacrusher | does anyone recommend a nice graphic network / trafic monitor for debian etch + gnome? |
| 19:24.23 | adama_ | oof |
| 19:24.53 | amphi | datacrusher: iptraf is a nice ncurses one |
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| 19:25.15 | Posterdati | Throat: ok, I did, now the problem is to make mic works with kopete... |
| 19:25.15 | amphi | datacrusher: etherape is gui, but I doubt it's what you want |
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| 19:25.25 | Posterdati | Throat: I got mic return via speakers |
| 19:25.31 | Throat | Posterdati, never heared of it |
| 19:25.53 | Posterdati | Throat: ? |
| 19:25.54 | Throat | Posterdati, uh, you mean it's echoed back to the speakers directly? |
| 19:26.01 | Posterdati | Throat: yes |
| 19:26.06 | Throat | Posterdati, kopete - never heared of it |
| 19:26.27 | Posterdati | Throat: I didn't find a working version of skype for amd64 |
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| 19:27.11 | Throat | Posterdati, uh, I had that on this machine, but going through the instructions from the page that cahoot gave you fixed that, I think (the sound was *just* echoed back but when using arecord, it just recorded silence) |
| 19:27.23 | noboru | vargadanis, there ? |
| 19:27.23 | adama_ | vargadanis: you are trying to setup a LAMP server with no Internet... well you could take a fresh install, apt-get install --download-only apache2 php5 etc etc |
| 19:27.31 | vargadanis | noboru, yes |
| 19:27.38 | noboru | vargadanis, http://222.214.216.80/Tian.txt |
| 19:27.48 | Posterdati | Throat: ok, now I need to send mic via kopete (or similar):) |
| 19:27.49 | Throat | Posterdati, so if it's similar for you, you still have a problem with alsa... |
| 19:28.09 | Posterdati | Throat: no problem now |
| 19:28.12 | vargadanis | noboru, oh.. dang... well yes, this will make it a lot more complicated... |
| 19:28.28 | vargadanis | does sed have chinese support? |
| 19:28.32 | Throat | Posterdati, I use ekiga... |
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| 19:28.53 | Posterdati | Throat: does it work? |
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| 19:29.11 | Throat | Posterdati, it's not so great, though - sometimes the process stays on after I exit - but yes, in general it works ok for me |
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| 19:29.42 | DimmuR | anyone here tried to install wifi (on intel 4965) on compal jfl92 on debian with success ? (when i'm testing connection my laptop sometimes just poweroff) |
| 19:29.44 | adama_ | vargadanis: then for your presentation do apt-get install --no-download apache2 php5 mysql-server etc etc |
| 19:29.45 | vargadanis | noboru, if sed has chinese support it will be quite easy to go over all the files and search for the chinese words and replace them to something else such as censored |
| 19:30.08 | vargadanis | adama_: sorry... didn't want to ignore you... I decided to create a full mirror |
| 19:30.14 | vargadanis | apt-mirror |
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| 19:30.30 | noboru | vargadanis, I see. |
| 19:30.34 | TheBonsai | Throat: 3.0 should fix most of these "small" issues (beside the complete codebase rewrite and other work we've done) |
| 19:30.36 | vargadanis | I have a 20Mb connection so it will take only like few hours to download all |
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| 19:30.38 | Throat | Posterdati, and it just auto-detects the speaker and mic device and lets you choose between what's there (worked fine for me, after I got alsa worked out) |
| 19:30.44 | vargadanis | noboru, we could do a test |
| 19:30.50 | adama_ | vargadanis: that will work, how much space does that use, a full mirror? |
| 19:30.56 | Posterdati | Throat: is it a gnome app? |
| 19:31.12 | noboru | vargadanis, well ? |
| 19:31.20 | vargadanis | adama_: i386 universe, multivere and main like 25GB |
| 19:31.36 | Throat | TheBonsai, oh, cool, thanks - but there's no 3.0 yet, is there? |
| 19:31.45 | Throat | Posterdati, er... I don't think so |
| 19:31.48 | adama_ | cool |
| 19:31.50 | vargadanis | noboru, i asked the sed guys about it but they didn't respond yet... |
| 19:32.00 | Posterdati | Throat: ok |
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| 19:32.19 | noboru | oh |
| 19:32.24 | TheBonsai | Throat: BETA, release planned along with the GNOME release, if we don't miss it (around 2 weeks or so) |
| 19:32.34 | Posterdati | Throat: it needs libgnome :) |
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| 19:33.08 | vargadanis | noboru, sed would work like this tho: for i in *; do sed -i 's/ToCensor/Hahahaha/g' $i; done |
| 19:33.10 | TheBonsai | Throat: at least worth a try if it fixed those "small issues" for you |
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| 19:33.54 | noboru | vargadanis, let me google for 'sed', Thank you . |
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| 19:34.08 | vargadanis | noboru, np... |
| 19:34.18 | Posterdati | Throat: I bought a logitech webcam with mic in it and I got its entry in kmix, but didn't work |
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| 19:36.42 | Throat | TheBonsai, ok... I think the biggest "small" issue got fixed already (at least it didn't irk me so much for some time) - that is that hanging up took up to 30 seconds sometimes |
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| 19:37.17 | datacrusher | woha |
| 19:37.26 | datacrusher | it looks like my old job with sdh |
| 19:37.32 | datacrusher | hp open view, inc100.. good times |
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| 19:38.10 | datacrusher | but its way far from what i need. I got a samba file share, i just need to know the local traffic |
| 19:38.23 | TheBonsai | Throat: in Ekiga 3, the SIP code was heavily rewritten (underlying OPAL library), maybe that fixes some more incompatiblities with hardware phones and other stuff. though, a 3.01 will come soon after 3.00 (of course), and that's the best version to grab, if you're not used to test ;) |
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| 19:40.37 | Posterdati | Throat: good ekiga works with the mic in the Webcam! Great!!! |
| 19:41.04 | Throat | TheBonsai, guess I'm "used to test" everytime I do the same fool thing again and buy hardware that is barely supported - but that doesn't mean I enjoy it *g* |
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| 19:41.22 | TheBonsai | Posterdati: the old one (2.x)? then you have a good ALSA. HAL support and stuff is only in 3. cool. |
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| 19:41.39 | TheBonsai | Throat: i know that feeling lol |
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| 19:41.56 | tdrusk | How can I install debian over a network? Basically I have a computer that the installer doesn't work with. can I run the installer on another computer and send the files to the crappy computer? |
| 19:42.01 | Throat | TheBonsai, that detection worked flawlessly for me as well (as soon as I got the alsa stuff figured out) |
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| 19:42.16 | Posterdati | TheBonsai: ii ekiga 2.0.12-1+nmu1 H.323 and SIP compatible VoIP client |
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| 19:43.03 | Throat | tdrusk, you can do the install on the other computer, than move the harddisk (just make sure you keep using a kernel that works for all CPUs, not a generic one) |
| 19:43.18 | TheBonsai | Posterdati: the latest old one, aye. nice to hear that it works with that MIC, i had trouble with it (but mostly ALSA sounddriver related, though) |
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| 19:44.38 | tdrusk | Throat: I can't because I don't want to mess with the hard drive in my good computer. Would this work? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot |
| 19:45.29 | Archdevil | I run Lenny and I' m looking for Linux games. Is there a nice repository where I can find them? |
| 19:45.29 | Throat | tdrusk, I mean put the new harddisk in the other computer - or just clone your existing system |
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| 19:46.14 | Throat | Archdevil, xpilot! |
| 19:46.23 | adama_ | Archdevil, linuxgames.com |
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| 19:46.36 | Throat | you can keep playing that for YEARS until you learn it properly |
| 19:46.39 | Throat | :-P |
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| 19:47.01 | Asmooh | hi, a few months ago someone posted here a website with debian installer with newer kernel then 2.6.18.. anyone knows that site |
| 19:47.04 | stew | Archdevil: aptitude search '~sgames' |
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| 19:47.07 | Archdevil | I know I can install separate games, but if they are in a repository, I automatically get updates. |
| 19:47.13 | stew | Asmooh: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 19:47.16 | stew | Asmooh: or /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 19:47.27 | Asmooh | thx |
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| 19:48.04 | Archdevil | stew, there are games in the default repos, but not enough...... I saw there is a debian games group, but they have not released many games. |
| 19:48.16 | Posterdati | Throat: shall I register with ekiga? |
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| 19:49.01 | vargadanis | adama_: 23.3GBs for ubuntu 8.04 i386 only (I haven't mirrored debian yet) |
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| 19:50.40 | stew | hmm, not many? aptitude search '~mpkg-games-devel' | wc -l -> 356 :) |
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| 19:51.16 | magyar | hi, how can I recover a lost ext3 partition? |
| 19:51.49 | WebGuest | i installed kde 4.04 and I can't seem to launch startx |
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| 19:52.07 | WebGuest | i keep getting no screens found error |
| 19:52.30 | stew | !no screens found |
| 19:52.30 | dpkg | somebody said screens found was not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or /var/log/XFree86.0.log for XFree86) more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about <troubleshooting x>. |
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| 19:52.37 | abrotman | WebGuest: which version of debian ? there's no kde4 in debian |
| 19:52.59 | WebGuest | i mean i install deb 4.04 with kde 3.5 |
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| 19:53.16 | abrotman | 4.0r4 |
| 19:53.23 | abrotman | WebGuest: look in your X log |
| 19:53.31 | stew | WebGuest: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:53.56 | WebGuest | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/amd64/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 19:53.59 | WebGuest | was the one i DLed |
| 19:54.01 | WebGuest | i've already tried that |
| 19:54.27 | WebGuest | i tried changing it from nv to vesa, and my entire screen goes blank and i have to reboot |
| 19:54.30 | stew | WebGuest: then look for the error in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, or post it somewhere that we could help you look at it |
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| 19:54.42 | vargadanis | for bash for loop, how do I specify a range of numbers? |
| 19:54.52 | vargadanis | eg: for in in 660-680; do; done; |
| 19:54.54 | abrotman | vargadanis: #bash |
| 19:54.57 | abrotman | and man seq |
| 19:54.58 | stew | vargadanis: for i in $(seq 660 680) ; do... |
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| 19:55.24 | vargadanis | stew: thanx |
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| 19:57.03 | binrapt | Are there any ftpds that DO not enable any accounts by default? O_O |
| 19:57.27 | binrapt | I just tried PureFTPD and I could simply log in with normal Linux user accounts |
| 19:57.31 | binrapt | Same with ProFTPD |
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| 19:57.38 | WebGuest | looking at error log, ok it detected my Quadro FX 570M chipset... setting VGA for screen 0..(EE) NV(0): No Display Devices Found |
| 19:57.40 | binrapt | I have yet to figure out how to disable that |
| 19:58.07 | xbj9000 | can anyone help me with suspend on a thinkpad A21m? |
| 19:58.31 | WebGuest | Maybe it can't detect my monitor? O_o |
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| 19:58.49 | giampy | hi all |
| 19:59.09 | WebGuest | stew? |
| 19:59.09 | vargadanis | can sb explain to me how are the load averages calculated and what do these numbers mean? load average: 0.06, 0.04, 0.00 |
| 19:59.51 | xbj9000 | executing sleep.sh only gives a new prompt |
| 20:00.32 | stew | binrapt: /usr/share/doc/pure-ftpd-common/README.Debian tells you |
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| 20:00.37 | WebGuest | fucking changing from nv to vesa just gave me a blank screen of nothingness |
| 20:00.49 | stew | WebGuest: show me the log file |
| 20:01.02 | WebGuest | I can't |
| 20:01.04 | WebGuest | it's on my laptop |
| 20:01.07 | WebGuest | it doesn't have access to the internet |
| 20:01.26 | binrapt | http://pureftpd.sourceforge.net/README.Debian i guess that's not |
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| 20:01.40 | binrapt | I'd have to redownload before I could read that path :[ |
| 20:01.41 | WebGuest | how do i tell debian to reboot into the commandline? |
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| 20:01.47 | WebGuest | without even trying to startx |
| 20:01.54 | stew | WebGuest: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 20:01.55 | abrotman | vargadanis: load avg for 1,5,15 minutes |
| 20:01.56 | Nigromante | hello |
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| 20:02.22 | abrotman | vargadanis: man uptime has a somewhat useful description |
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| 20:02.37 | WebGuest | stew, that'd be nice, but i can't even access a commandline right now |
| 20:02.41 | WebGuest | my screen's just blank |
| 20:02.42 | WebGuest | nothing |
| 20:02.42 | WebGuest | zip |
| 20:02.51 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-f1 ? |
| 20:02.54 | WebGuest | tryign to switch to tty does nothhing |
| 20:02.57 | stew | WebGuest: please don't hit enter so often. try ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 20:03.04 | WebGuest | ok |
| 20:03.13 | WebGuest | ctrl-alt-f1 does nothing |
| 20:03.28 | WebGuest | if i reboot it tries to startx automatically |
| 20:03.36 | giampy | ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 20:03.38 | stew | WebGuest: how about ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 20:03.51 | WebGuest | nothing |
| 20:03.53 | xbj9000 | can you ctrl+alt+f2 :p |
| 20:03.57 | WebGuest | nope |
| 20:04.03 | adama_ | WebGuest: update-rc.d --force xdm remove , then reboot |
| 20:04.12 | adama_ | or gdm |
| 20:04.13 | WebGuest | where do i input that? |
| 20:04.22 | adama_ | terminal |
| 20:04.32 | WebGuest | i can't even see the terminal right now |
| 20:04.33 | giampy | hi can't |
| 20:04.37 | stew | WebGuest: use single user mode |
| 20:04.49 | adama_ | as root, it disables that service xdm/gdm from starting at startup |
| 20:04.56 | xbj9000 | lol can't you boot without X from editing grub during bootup? |
| 20:05.08 | adama_ | yes ok single-user mode |
| 20:05.21 | WebGuest | ok i'll try single user mode |
| 20:06.11 | WebGuest | kk that worked |
| 20:06.15 | WebGuest | fixed vesa to nv |
| 20:06.34 | vargadanis | abrotman: thx |
| 20:06.39 | magyar | hi, how can I recover a lost ext3 partition? |
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| 20:07.17 | WebGuest | hmm |
| 20:07.19 | WebGuest | stuck |
| 20:08.02 | WebGuest | hmm i think i can't use vesa because i'm unable to use 1024x768 or 800x600 as my it's a widescreen |
| 20:08.10 | adama_ | magyar: I lost internet earlier. what happens when you try to mount it? or does it not appear as /dev/sdxn ? |
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| 20:08.15 | WebGuest | 1680x1050 compains about width too large for virtual size |
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| 20:09.49 | magyar | adama_, doesnt apear, I tried parted rescue but nothing is rescued after the scan |
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| 20:10.00 | WebGuest | is there something screwy with the kde version of deb etch? |
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| 20:10.24 | vargadanis | magyar: haha... itt is vannak magyarok dogivel... ^_^ |
| 20:10.40 | WebGuest | this is driving me crazy |
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| 20:11.10 | adama_ | magyar: well I would re-create the partition with fdisk, then try to mount it. |
| 20:12.05 | WebGuest | hmm |
| 20:12.12 | magyar | vargadanis, hol nincsenek |
| 20:12.16 | WebGuest | any help? |
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| 20:12.32 | magyar | adama_, hmm, are you sure, I got some precious files there |
| 20:12.43 | vargadanis | magyar: true... we are there everywhere... talk in english.. they might think we are retards or something... ^_^ |
| 20:13.01 | juanra | hi |
| 20:13.23 | juanra | is it possible to create a installation usb pen drive containing windows, from linux?? |
| 20:13.30 | Mr-R | WebGuest: did you try the nvidia closed source driver? |
| 20:14.00 | adama_ | magyar: I'm faxing you a waiver releasing me of responsibility... :P |
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| 20:14.52 | adama_ | magyar: that is what I would do, you could try going to a professional, or wait/ask here for more advice |
| 20:15.11 | stew | magyar: make a dump of the disk before you make any changes |
| 20:15.19 | acrostic | Need some help with ZFS NFS mount on debian etch |
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| 20:16.08 | acrostic | Anyone had experience with Solaris 10 (NFS server) , Debian Etch (client) |
| 20:16.37 | WebGuest | . |
| 20:17.04 | Throat | Posterdati, that's up to you... I used the software for over a year without registering to one of the accounts (finally did it for incoming calls and to be able to use their echo-test) - if you're looking for something to call landline phones, I can (kind of) recommend voipstunt.com - they are kind of crooks and I read bad things about them - but for me it worked out ok until now and it's one of the cheapest of these providers I've found |
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| 20:17.42 | WebGuest | at my wits end |
| 20:17.43 | WebGuest | sigh |
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| 20:17.53 | WebGuest | am i forced to go back to kubuntu now? =( |
| 20:18.20 | stew | WebGuest: it would be much easier for people to help you if you could show us the logs and your xorg.conf |
| 20:18.25 | WebGuest | how though |
| 20:18.31 | WebGuest | my other machine doesn't even have access to the internet |
| 20:18.32 | adama_ | WebGuest: usb key? |
| 20:18.33 | stew | WebGuest: http://paste.debian.net |
| 20:18.40 | WebGuest | i dont have one |
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| 20:19.14 | adama_ | WebGuest: why can't you put the laptop online? |
| 20:19.26 | WebGuest | because i'm on a wireless network and i can't even get that workign |
| 20:19.43 | stew | WebGuest: why can't you get the wireless working? |
| 20:19.46 | WebGuest | ok i just plugged in a USB key and it's at sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable |
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| 20:20.15 | WebGuest | where did it get mounted? O_o |
| 20:20.18 | adama_ | WebGuest: it should appear in /media/ |
| 20:20.20 | darky`afk | hey guyz |
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| 20:20.24 | stew | WebGuest: it didn't |
| 20:20.29 | stew | WebGuest: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
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| 20:23.01 | darky`afk | http://paste.debian.net/16924/ < some idea ? |
| 20:23.02 | adama_ | WebGuest: generally you'd do something like mkdir /media/usbdisk; mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usbdisk |
| 20:23.10 | acrostic | anyone using solaris 10 as NFS server and linux as client ? |
| 20:23.11 | WebGuest | hmm ok |
| 20:23.28 | WebGuest | i've got sda/sda1/sda2 sdb/sdb1 and a lot of other stuff not sure which sdb to load |
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| 20:23.50 | WebGuest | ah mounted it |
| 20:23.53 | WebGuest | k cping logfiles |
| 20:24.34 | adama_ | darky`afk looks like you have mdadm installed but aren't using it. that message is harmless in this case. You could remove mdadm to get rid of it |
| 20:24.35 | WebGuest | what do i do unmount? |
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| 20:24.50 | adama_ | umount /media/usbdisk |
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| 20:25.34 | darky`afk | it occured during installation of vserver-kernal (as i have written into the comments) - so u say it isn't dangerous to reboot the machine? |
| 20:25.36 | WebGuest | device is busy |
| 20:25.39 | darky`afk | *kernel |
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| 20:26.03 | WebGuest | w/e force pulling it out |
| 20:26.14 | vargadanis | darky`afk: do you use vserver a lot? |
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| 20:26.52 | darky`afk | i've currently used vmware and want to change everthing to vserver - so i'm planning to get a poweruser ;) |
| 20:26.52 | S-i-A | hi, can i allow sshd connect to server just for (my ip) another ip automatic block? |
| 20:27.04 | adama_ | WebGuest: you probably did cd into the mounted dir... just cd back to / , then unmount |
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| 20:27.06 | darky`afk | and yeah i know about the problems like missing local loopback a.s.o. |
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| 20:27.52 | WebGuest1 | http://paste.linuxassist.net/9018 <-- PASTEBIN when using nv drivers |
| 20:28.10 | vargadanis | darky`afk: than I do not warn you... |
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| 20:28.26 | vargadanis | darky`afk: i used vserver under ubunut for a while (custom kernel) and it worked ok |
| 20:28.28 | WebGuest1 | http://paste.linuxassist.net/9019 <-- PASTEBIN when using vesa drivers |
| 20:28.36 | vargadanis | darky`afk: till i had to use 127.0.0.1 seriously |
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| 20:29.01 | vargadanis | darky`afk: BUT, in the newer versions (2.3+) the lo interface thing is solved |
| 20:29.04 | adama_ | S-i-A: you can, I would use iptables |
| 20:29.14 | darky`afk | vargadanis, oh well - nice! |
| 20:29.21 | adama_ | WebGuest1: let's see the xorg.conf |
| 20:29.26 | darky`afk | vargadanis, is there anything to warn me anyway? or can i reboot without any panic? |
| 20:29.46 | S-i-A | adama_: and can you tell me how :) is /etc/hosts.deny ? |
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| 20:30.28 | vargadanis | darky`afk: what's the situation? |
| 20:30.33 | vargadanis | darky`afk: I think i missed the first part |
| 20:30.47 | WebGuest1 | kk |
| 20:30.49 | darky`afk | vargadanis, http://paste.debian.net/16924/ this ;) |
| 20:30.55 | tdrusk | I have low ram in my craptop. I want to install Debian. How can I enable swap for the netinst? |
| 20:31.07 | vargadanis | darky`afk: i will look at it |
| 20:31.11 | darky`afk | vargadanis, thank u |
| 20:31.17 | dondelelcaro | tdrusk: how "low ram" are you taking about here? |
| 20:31.22 | darky`afk | vargadanis, also pay attention to my comment |
| 20:31.23 | tdrusk | 64 mb |
| 20:31.31 | dondelelcaro | tdrusk: that should be enough for the install |
| 20:32.17 | adama_ | S-i-A: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s ip.you.wantto.allow --source-port 22 -j ACCEPT ; iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -p22 -j DROP |
| 20:32.22 | dondelelcaro | tdrusk: but assuming you create a swap partition, it'll be activiated as early in the install process as possible |
| 20:32.30 | vargadanis | darky`afk: well, initramfs is very important but you can reboot |
| 20:32.35 | adama_ | S-i-A: sorry --destination-port |
| 20:32.36 | dondelelcaro | (ie, right after you partition and create it) |
| 20:32.37 | vargadanis | darky`afk: if the kernel doesn't get loaded |
| 20:32.41 | vargadanis | darky`afk: use the old one |
| 20:32.46 | S-i-A | adama_: thanx |
| 20:32.56 | V4Nelle | ante ciaoz |
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| 20:33.22 | vargadanis | darky`afk: i had to compile the kernel 3 times before I got one working... they all seemed fine but the working one :) |
| 20:33.26 | darky`afk | vargadanis, um the error just tells about mdamd |
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| 20:33.30 | tdrusk | dondelelcaro: It puts me in low ram mode. I'll try it again and tell you where it hangs. |
| 20:33.33 | darky`afk | vargadanis, this is just for software raid's isnt it? |
| 20:33.50 | adama_ | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --destination-port 22 -j DROP that second rule should be |
| 20:33.57 | S-i-A | adama_: i will just block some ip first |
| 20:34.07 | darky`afk | vargadanis, http://paste.debian.net/16927/ < this is the full output ^^ |
| 20:34.10 | vargadanis | darky`afk: i think so, but i am no expert |
| 20:34.13 | darky`afk | uh damnit horizontal smiley |
| 20:34.15 | darky`afk | i'm sry... |
| 20:34.30 | adama_ | S-i-A iptables -A INPUT -s ip.you.wantto.block -j DROP |
| 20:34.42 | S-i-A | adama_: aha so 'iptables -D INPUT -s 25.55.55.55 -j DROP' |
| 20:34.44 | itrebal | I've got a problem with a debian server here: I have two network interfaces on it, and one is on the local IP (192.168.1.10) and the other is on an external IP (directly connected to the modem) ; when I only have the external IP setup it functions, and when I only have the internal setup it works fine, but when I use both at the same time, the resolving of domains gets way crazy; any ideas? |
| 20:35.04 | adama_ | S-i-A: -A to add a rule. -D deletes a rule |
| 20:35.13 | vargadanis | darky`afk: you cannot lose much by rebooting... go ahead ^_^ |
| 20:35.26 | S-i-A | adama_: u right thanx |
| 20:35.38 | adama_ | S-i-A: you may ask in #iptables for more iptables tips :) |
| 20:35.58 | S-i-A | thanx igain |
| 20:35.59 | WebGuest1 | http://paste.linuxassist.net/9023 <-- pastebin for my xorg.conf |
| 20:36.31 | dustybin | itrebal: your server will need to act as a router |
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| 20:37.03 | dustybin | itrebal: you will have to setup some kind of firewall rules to route your traffic properly |
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| 20:37.16 | itrebal | dustybin: I dno't want them to act as a router, I simply want to have direct access via the network, and direct access via the internet |
| 20:37.20 | WebGuest1 | ... anyone? |
| 20:37.20 | dustybin | itrebal: probably some kind of NAT |
| 20:37.36 | itrebal | dustybin: its not a gateway to the internet, its just two seperate network interfaces to access the server |
| 20:37.39 | gkkk | hey, is it possible to configure laptop Wifi and BT button to turn off wifi and BT adapters? |
| 20:37.48 | WebGuest1 | adama_? |
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| 20:37.56 | gkkk | currently I see wifi and BT lights turned on |
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| 20:38.37 | dustybin | itrebal: check your routing table |
| 20:38.56 | Tramp | itrebal: where do you get the internal IP from? Is it static or set through dhcp? |
| 20:38.58 | dustybin | itrebal: ip route |
| 20:39.18 | itrebal | Tramp: both are static; both have the same DNS settings |
| 20:39.28 | Tramp | dustybin: I thinkt, he has a problem with his nameservers (if I understand his description correctly) |
| 20:39.44 | Tramp | itrebal: so what do you have in your resolv.conf then? |
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| 20:40.08 | itrebal | Tramp: one moment; I'm going to re-init the secondary (internal) device |
| 20:40.34 | Tramp | itrebal: and also, what exactly does not work (please give an example of what you try and what fails exactly) |
| 20:40.58 | itrebal | Tramp: will do |
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| 20:41.04 | dustybin | check all your network settings, including /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:41.26 | dustybin | make sure your gateway is set correctly, otherwise no internet |
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| 20:41.59 | itrebal | yeah, gateways are all set |
| 20:42.12 | dustybin | the next thing to check is name servers |
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| 20:42.29 | itrebal | currious :/ I just re-enabled everything and ran ifconfig eth1 up and it works fine O.o |
| 20:42.42 | Tramp | glad we could fix it. |
| 20:42.46 | itrebal | let me run a few tests to make sure everything is on and functinoal, maybe that'll give a clue as to what /was/ up |
| 20:42.49 | itrebal | I really appreciate it :) |
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| 20:43.38 | dustybin | im also running 2x NICs on my server, 1 NIC for private LAN, the other for public web server |
| 20:43.46 | dustybin | split using vserver |
| 20:43.47 | itrebal | yeah |
| 20:43.48 | stew | WebGuest1: its trying to use EDID to detect what monitor you have and is not finding any monitors, what kind of monitor are you using and how is it connected? |
| 20:44.03 | dustybin | Hostname: private - OS: Linux 2.6.25-2-vserver-686/i686 - CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (3192.006 MHz) - Processes: 150 - Uptime: 4d 23h 7m - Load Average: 0.44 - Memory Usage: 450.67MB/1011.51MB (44.55%) - Disk Usage: 272.70GB/1363.24GB (20.00%) |
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| 20:44.42 | itrebal | dustybin: may I PM you an address to try pinging? |
| 20:44.52 | dustybin | ok |
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| 20:44.57 | WebGuest1 | stew it's a laptop screen |
| 20:45.00 | WebGuest1 | from my T61P |
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| 20:46.13 | chomwitt | i try to build a kernel module for etch from upstream sources. I get a '/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build dir doenst exist. what i missed? |
| 20:46.13 | stew | WebGuest1: you might try turning on the FlatPanel option |
| 20:47.00 | WebGuest1 | hmm how do i do that? |
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| 20:47.20 | stew | WebGuest1: man nv |
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| 20:48.48 | WebGuest1 | stew i dont even have the nvidia drivers installed y et |
| 20:49.15 | WebGuest1 | can you point me to a ddl for a .deb package? |
| 20:49.36 | stew | WebGuest1: you have nv installed already |
| 20:49.39 | darky`afk | vargadanis, i'm a bit panic still about rebooting cause i'm in panic if the server doesn't come up again... http://paste.debian.net/16931/ it looks for me that there is no raid and for u? |
| 20:50.03 | WebGuest1 | stew, it's installed by default? |
| 20:50.06 | darky`afk | hmm k .. |
| 20:50.34 | stew | WebGuest1: nv is the open source driver that is included in debian, in the Xorg.0.log you pasted, you were already using it |
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| 20:50.48 | darky`afk | somebody can tell me if this error could be a problem after reboot? http://paste.debian.net/16924/ |
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| 20:51.13 | dunk_k7 | hi |
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| 20:51.57 | Doug52392 | Hello |
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| 20:52.12 | WebGuest1 | stew .. hmm i'll try updating drivers and see what happens? |
| 20:52.24 | Doug52392 | What is the main United States mirror for Debian? And how would I add that to my apt sources file? |
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| 20:52.53 | stew | Doug52392: ftp.us.debian.org: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 20:53.07 | stew | WebGuest1: update it how? |
| 20:53.37 | WebGuest1 | i dled a sh script from the nvidia homepage, copied it to my usb, and CP it back to my laptop |
| 20:54.06 | WebGuest1 | oops i need gcc |
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| 20:54.13 | stew | WebGuest1: using the nvidia installer is generally recommended against |
| 20:54.28 | WebGuest1 | ... |
| 20:54.29 | oomph | does anyone run Vmware server on Debian Etch AMD64? |
| 20:54.31 | WebGuest1 | oy |
| 20:54.37 | oomph | if so, how does it perform |
| 20:55.09 | stew | WebGuest1: i'd recommend using non-free software in general, others would recommend that if you are going to use the non-free drivers from nvidia instead of their free drivers, that you use debian packages so that things don't get broken on upgrades |
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| 20:55.58 | dustybin | stew: richard stallman wouldnt agree with what you said |
| 20:56.07 | WebGuest1 | stew, turning on FlatPanel didn't do it for me |
| 20:56.20 | stew | WebGuest1: oh, i meand "i'd recommend against using non-free software..." |
| 20:56.26 | Agent_bob | who's richard stallman ? |
| 20:56.26 | stew | dustybin: yeah, i mistyped |
| 20:56.35 | dustybin | Agent_bob: my hero |
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| 20:56.43 | stew | Agent_bob: the founder of FSF/GNU |
| 20:56.50 | WebGuest1 | i need to figure out a way to get gcc onto my laptop now |
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| 20:57.20 | WebGuest1 | goddamn this is a pain in the ass |
| 20:57.44 | stew | WebGuest1: /msg dpkg apt-zip |
| 20:57.58 | WebGuest1 | kk |
| 20:58.38 | WebGuest1 | i'm on a windows machine right now, my laptop was the one that had linux... unfortunately windoze can't apt-zip |
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| 20:59.32 | Zambezi | Is the a converttool in the repos for amr (Sony Ericsson) to mp3, ogg, wav or something? I can't find something special. |
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| 21:02.11 | WebGuest1 | i need to find a pre-compiled kernel for 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 21:02.59 | stew | WebGuest1: http://packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 |
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| 21:03.34 | WebGuest1 | do i dl then it'll work with the nvidia setup tool? |
| 21:04.20 | WebGuest1 | that or this: http://packages.debian.org/etch/nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 21:04.57 | stew | Zambezi: ffmpeg, but it requires non-free codecs not in debian, /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 21:10.10 | Agent_bob | id it possable to use uid rather than name with ssh ? |
| 21:10.20 | Agent_bob | s/id/is/ |
| 21:10.33 | Amarande | is there a package under lenny to install the adobe flash plugin? |
| 21:10.46 | abrotman | Amarande: not adobe flash .. there is gnash and swfdec |
| 21:10.47 | Amarande | I see a package for a sound support thing for the flash plugin, but I don't see the flash plugin itself anywhere |
| 21:10.50 | abrotman | !tell Amarande about dmm |
| 21:11.01 | Amarande | abrotman, are either of those actually able to support the flash you actually see on web pages these days? :) |
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| 21:11.13 | Amarande | last time I used the open source one, it only did ancient stuff, but that was on etch |
| 21:11.15 | abrotman | Amarande: to some degree ... yes |
| 21:11.36 | darky`afk | Agent_bob, the debian way to correct mistakes in writing ha? :P |
| 21:12.27 | Amarande | yay. looks like lenny is in the awesome now. :) |
| 21:12.34 | Amarande | aside from the fact that wow executes successfully |
| 21:12.50 | Amarande | however, apparently I need to wait for support in radeonhd for DRI before that will fix itself |
| 21:14.00 | Agent_bob | anyone know off hand if it is possable to use uid's rather than name's with ssh ? any setting that might allow that ? |
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| 21:14.16 | abrotman | Agent_bob: did you try it? |
| 21:14.21 | abrotman | and why would you? |
| 21:14.32 | Amarande | I don't know, but I'm still wondering about these processes I have in ps that are owned by '100' '103' and '106' |
| 21:14.40 | Amarande | am I missing entries that should be in /etc/passwd? |
| 21:14.42 | Agent_bob | abrotman because i know the uid but not the name ??? |
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| 21:14.55 | abrotman | doesn't want to know |
| 21:15.19 | Amarande | abrotman: are there packages in lenny that install background processes that run as their own user, but fail to install a corresponding entry in passwd? |
| 21:15.57 | abrotman | Amarande: there should be a user associated with it |
| 21:16.23 | Amarande | it seems that exim, hald, and dbus-daemon all appear in ps with numbers instead of usernames |
| 21:16.40 | WebGuest1 | how do i get my installation to detect my T61P monitor? |
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| 21:17.27 | Hammar | growisofs: did anyone experience frequent buffer underruns anywhere between 40-80% of the burn process? interestingly enough, when this happens to me, growisofs starts using approx. 40-60% of one 2,7ghz core (what for?). |
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| 21:17.41 | Amarande | are these packages mis-installed and should be re-installed, or is that just a lenny glitch? |
| 21:17.49 | Amarande | actually, I think I saw that oddness in ps in etch too, though |
| 21:17.59 | amphi | Amarande: I see that with hald and hald-addon-acpi here |
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| 21:20.41 | Agent_bob | so no one knows any way to do this, or if it is possable... ? |
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| 21:20.48 | fsckedagain | holy crapper... |
| 21:20.56 | fsckedagain | anyone here know lots about openvpn? |
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| 21:23.19 | stew | WebGuest1: try adding this to the Device section: Option "IgnoreEDID" "1" |
| 21:23.31 | CalJohn_ | Would there be anyway to make pulseaudio play across a network to output on a windows machine? |
| 21:23.31 | WebGuest1 | kk |
| 21:23.44 | CalJohn_ | like via icecast? |
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| 21:24.46 | WebGuest1 | stew, no dice |
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| 21:25.07 | WebGuest1 | i dont know how to get it to recognize my laptop's monitor |
| 21:26.10 | stew | WebGuest1: /msg dpkg laptops |
| 21:26.32 | stew | this is why i went out of my way to get intel graphics on my t61 :) |
| 21:26.50 | zinx | because you don't like having a video card that can do 3d accel at a decent speed? |
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| 21:28.16 | stew | becuase i want a free driver with good support |
| 21:28.21 | WebGuest1 | stew: everything worked fine in kubuntu/ubuntu |
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| 21:28.41 | stew | WebGuest1: probably using the non-free drivers |
| 21:28.41 | bravvve | hello |
| 21:28.54 | cloakable | um, no laptop does 3d at a decent speed :/ you want that, go use a desktop. That's one of things they're for! |
| 21:29.07 | Amarande | heh, I can't do 3D at a decent speed on my desktop, either |
| 21:29.16 | bravvve | is there a mirror tu get eclipse package |
| 21:29.17 | Amarande | at least not for a few months or so probably |
| 21:29.29 | Xttor | goodnight |
| 21:29.46 | stew | i don't do anything 3d. i use the randr extensions which are best supported in the intel driver afaik though |
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| 21:30.20 | WebGuest1 | aight even nvidia-glx doesn't work |
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| 21:31.35 | Amarande | apparently, I can't use fglrx, since it's broken on lenny |
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| 21:31.50 | Amarande | and attempting to build the packages via howto fails, so I have to wait for radeonhd to support 3D accel on the 3870 |
| 21:32.32 | noboru | which command to show the moudle that are loaded ? |
| 21:32.39 | dmoerner | noboru: lsmod |
| 21:32.46 | noboru | thanks |
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| 21:32.53 | WebGuest1 | man |
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| 21:32.59 | WebGuest1 | i cant even get X to startup |
| 21:33.02 | WebGuest1 | and it's been 6 hours now lol |
| 21:33.03 | dmoerner | Amarande: according to rmadison there is the same version of fglrx in testing and unstable and it certainly builds fine for me on sid. |
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| 21:33.20 | Amarande | dmoerner, but does it work? |
| 21:33.29 | Amarande | I was told the version of fglrx in testing is broken |
| 21:33.52 | Amarande | that's 8.6. last night I attempted to build 8.7 or 8.8 the debian way and got fail |
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| 21:34.09 | Amarande | plus, I'm not going to use it till I know that it doesn't have the logout bug on lenny |
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| 21:34.55 | dmoerner | Amarande: 8-7-2 is in lenny and works fine for me on sid |
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| 21:35.11 | octox2 | i have an nfs mount in my fstab that mounts fine manually, but doesnt seem to automount on boot? |
| 21:35.13 | yassine | good day folks |
| 21:35.16 | bravvve | is ther any deb merror to get the latest eclipse package? |
| 21:35.18 | Amarande | what's the kernel version in sid? |
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| 21:35.34 | dmoerner | i am running 2.6.26-1-686-bigmem |
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| 21:36.39 | u_07 | I just installed Debian for the first time. I only had to install the first disc. I Everything is working fine except an old ESS AudioDrive ES1869 sound card. I don't have an internet connection on the Debian machine. Does anyone have a good link so that I fix this? |
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| 21:36.44 | yassine | i'm at the moment about to install a new debian based box and actually id like to try either vserver or xen (but in the kernel selection provided by the installer) can see that an image called *xen-vserver* is proposed is this an image that combines both? |
| 21:38.20 | WebGuest1 | would it be bad if i installed a ubuntu gutsy package onto debian? |
| 21:39.30 | intx | WebGuest1: if not working is bad, then possibly |
| 21:39.55 | foutrelis | WebGuest1, possibly, which branch of Debian are you running (stable vs testing) and what's the package you're interested in? |
| 21:40.13 | bravvve | any one know a deb mirror to get latest eclipse??? |
| 21:40.16 | WebGuest1 | stable, etch4.04 the nvidia-glx-new package |
| 21:40.16 | Throat | TheBonsai, is there some kind of answering machine within ekiga? I don't see any option to enable one, but there are two fields "missed calls" and "voice mails" down there |
| 21:40.32 | foutrelis | WebGuest1, it most certainly won't work |
| 21:40.43 | WebGuest1 | man |
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| 21:41.10 | foutrelis | WebGuest1, nvidia ships with a kernel module which is compiled for a specific kernel version and won't work with others |
| 21:41.24 | WebGuest1 | i c |
| 21:41.28 | WebGuest1 | i can't find the kernel i need to dl |
| 21:41.37 | WebGuest1 | to run the nvidia install script |
| 21:41.53 | WebGuest1 | namely, the 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
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| 21:43.24 | foutrelis | WebGuest1, I see, you'll need to install the sources for your current kernel first. |
| 21:43.54 | foutrelis | WebGuest1, the package for that would be linux-source-2.6.18 if you're running Etch |
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| 21:45.29 | foutrelis | WebGuest1, hmmm wait, you don't need the source, only the headers -.- |
| 21:46.03 | WebGuest1 | hm |
| 21:46.08 | WebGuest1 | what's the headers called? |
| 21:46.28 | D3B14N | linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 21:46.35 | WebGuest1 | ah, ok |
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| 21:47.59 | foutrelis | WebGuest1, I've found you some further instructions, http://lunapark6.com/debian-40-etch.html |
| 21:48.22 | foutrelis | The part about the nvidia driver's installation is about 4 "page downs" :] |
| 21:48.36 | Amarande | ok, fail x server was fail. :) |
| 21:49.08 | Amarande | dmoerner: tried it, worked until I tried scenario of switch user, then logging out the second user |
| 21:49.23 | Amarande | then the screen kept flashing back and forth between a black screen and 'no signal' till I went to tty1 and stopped gdm |
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| 21:51.39 | WebGuest | i need to find the libc headers rihgt now |
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| 21:51.46 | Amarande | hmm |
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| 21:52.09 | Amarande | also, under the radeonhd driver: if you switch back to a text tty then try to go back to X, it fails |
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| 21:53.59 | yassine | anyone here happen to know whats the difference between linux-image-xxxx-xen und linux-image-xxxx-xen-vserver is? |
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| 21:57.05 | joltcan | yassine: the vserver also has support for vserver. And I'm not kidding |
| 21:57.20 | fsckedagain | ok, can someone tell me why this doesn't work? mymac=`ifconfig br-lan | grep HWaddr | cut -d -f4 | sed -e 's/ //g'` |
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| 21:57.34 | fsckedagain | hmm let me try that again |
| 21:57.35 | fsckedagain | mymac=`ifconfig br-lan | grep HWaddr | cut -d -f4 | sed -e 's/ //g'` |
| 21:58.01 | fsckedagain | i get a stupid cut error |
| 21:58.04 | joltcan | yassine: It's another virtualization solution |
| 21:58.08 | yassine | joltcan, thanks i know you're not : that's what i found out here too : http://www.debianhelp.org/node/9934 |
| 21:58.23 | jescis | I installed sfw packages and others. But I still can't view youtube vids or myspace music things :( |
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| 21:58.58 | fsckedagain | ahh let me try something, I may just be an idiot... |
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| 22:03.15 | fsckedagain | ok so I do need help... |
| 22:03.44 | magyar | hi, where can i get a deb for flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 22:03.54 | dondelelcaro | magyar: it's in contrib |
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| 22:04.24 | dondelelcaro | (and quite likely not anywhere but in unstable, due to bugs) |
| 22:04.26 | magyar | dondelelcaro, bahh, I'm looking in non-free |
| 22:04.27 | dmoerner | fsckedagain: you are missing a delimiter on cut |
| 22:05.12 | fsckedagain | dmoerner: yeah that's what I tried to add |
| 22:05.22 | fsckedagain | dmoerner: didn't work though |
| 22:05.49 | Amarande | oh, fun |
| 22:06.00 | Amarande | somehow, even though I have radeonhd installed, it's using the radeon driver instead in xorg on lenny |
| 22:06.01 | Amarande | fail |
| 22:06.13 | dmoerner | fsckedagain: if you just want your HWaddr then you should be able to do something like ifconfig eth1 | grep HWaddr | awk '{print $5}' |
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| 22:06.28 | dmoerner | for most devices |
| 22:06.37 | fsckedagain | dmoerner: cool let me try that :) |
| 22:06.39 | internat1 | oooh |
| 22:06.45 | dmoerner | Amarande: you need to set the DefaultDepth to 24...debian's xorg defaults to 8 which breaks fglrx |
| 22:06.53 | dustybin | i have a 1 gig disk what i would like to partition up using LVM, so i can adjust partition sizes when required, is LVM easy to setup |
| 22:06.56 | internat1 | i seriously need to make a page of all random scripts and things i find. |
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| 22:08.16 | fsckedagain | dmoerner: you oare in fact, the man, thanks |
| 22:08.21 | fsckedagain | oare == are :) |
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| 22:09.54 | Tramp | dustybin: "easy" means something different for everybody. I found it interesting and not too complicated, after doing my reading (mostly some lvm2-howto, to understand the terminology) |
| 22:10.09 | Amarande | ok, is debian x configuration fail right now? |
| 22:10.25 | Amarande | I reconfigured xserver-xorg via dpkg and was left with this: |
| 22:10.26 | Amarande | http://pastebin.com/m1b087a8c |
| 22:10.40 | ni1s | I have a problem, I've set up a Samba file server on my Debian box and my two windoes machins can read & wrtite to it, but my Linux desktop(Gentoo) can not |
| 22:11.35 | dmoerner | Amarande: http://pastebin.com/m4cbe3962 see the chnages i made |
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| 22:12.32 | Gnurdux | Amarande, that might well work on your system |
| 22:12.33 | ni1s | I can create and rm files, but not write to them, In nano I get the error "Error writing to /mnt/share/foo: Not a directory" |
| 22:12.47 | Amarande | Gnurdux: for starters, it fails to use even the radeonhd driver. :| |
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| 22:13.10 | Gnurdux | the autodetection doesnt use radeonhd? |
| 22:13.13 | Gnurdux | thats sort of a bug |
| 22:13.16 | Amarande | Nope ... radeon gets priority over radeonhd |
| 22:13.20 | Amarande | (confirmed with #radeonhd) |
| 22:13.26 | dmoerner | fsckedagain: by the way this is a better solution: ifconfig eth1 | awk '/HWaddr/ {print $NF}' |
| 22:13.35 | dustybin | Tramp: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410 |
| 22:14.04 | Amarande | not to mention, apparently for optimal xorg operation, I apparently pretty much have to jump to the next testing dist as soon as lenny is out, since lenny is frozen |
| 22:14.17 | Amarande | and apparently some important xorg upgrades regarding Radeons just missed the freeze |
| 22:14.32 | fsckedagain | dmoerner: cool, I also need to get the ip of the tap0 interface. I have it using cut and awk. :) |
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| 22:15.21 | stew | Amarande: a single graphics driver is not a good reason to change the entire os, the driver should be able to be backported |
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| 22:16.21 | fsckedagain | dmoerner: I am getting my vpn ip this way: myvpnip=`ifconfig tap0 | grep Bcast | cut -d: -f2 | awk '{print $1}'` |
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| 22:16.28 | fsckedagain | dmoerner: any better way to do that? :) |
| 22:16.36 | Tramp | dustybin: yeah, looks good too. I think I started with http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ |
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| 22:18.15 | dustybin | how many bugs are left in lenny? |
| 22:18.26 | dustybin | awaits a bot response |
| 22:18.48 | dmoerner | 308 |
| 22:18.53 | dustybin | !tell dustybin about lenny |
| 22:19.22 | dustybin | 308 bugs? jeeze thats a lot |
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| 22:20.01 | dustybin | if ubuntu can release 247247+ bugs, why cant debian? |
| 22:20.06 | dmoerner | fsckedagain: i cheated and looked on the internet now: ifconfig eth1 | sed -n 's/.*dr:\(.*\) Bc.*/\1/p' |
| 22:20.38 | dustybin | nice flash bit of regex |
| 22:21.16 | fsckedagain | dmoerner: lol mie is a helluva lot easier to read lol |
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| 22:21.37 | dmoerner | i disagree |
| 22:21.49 | fsckedagain | dmoerner: lol |
| 22:21.56 | dustybin | is it possible to turn a already running system into LVM |
| 22:22.00 | chomwitt | in package linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-22_i386.deb what dfsg means ? and is 'dfsg' string part of the upstream version , or debian revision ? |
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| 22:22.18 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell chomwitt about dfsg |
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| 22:26.30 | chomwitt | dmoerner: so its a debian packaging tag, not upstream related. But why isnt it in other packages? |
| 22:26.56 | becki | is there a free software which is able to create a dvd video which shows a slide show and plays a background musik? |
| 22:27.30 | dmoerner | chomwitt: because it is only added to a package's name if non-dfsg code was removed from the upstream. it is used to signify that the .orig.tar.gz used to create the package is not a carbon copy of upstream's tarball, normally |
| 22:27.38 | stew | chomwitt: its used to indicate that the .orig.tar.gz that is uploaded in debian is not the same as the one that the upstream distributes, its had things removed in order to comply with the DFSG |
| 22:27.38 | dmoerner | becki: maybe kino? |
| 22:27.53 | becki | dmoerner: no idea, never done this |
| 22:27.58 | extor | Does MPM-worker use a huge amount more ram than MPM-prefork does? I just switched from prefork to worker and did a top and I see my ram usage has increased tenfold |
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| 22:32.40 | Dark_Titan | hello |
| 22:32.52 | Dark_Titan | for crontab: */15 * * * * /home/ghjj1/ftp.sh will run ftp.sh every 15 minutes right ? |
| 22:34.08 | chomwitt | dmoerner: ok. i got that. but following the name scheme of debian name_version-debrevision_arch.deb shouldnt it be linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686_2.6.18-dfsg22_i386.deb or sth? |
| 22:34.09 | adama_ | Dark_Titan: correct |
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| 22:34.48 | adama_ | Dark_Titan: if ftp.sh is executable |
| 22:34.56 | Dark_Titan | yes, it is |
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| 22:35.39 | becki | well, thanks |
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| 22:48.41 | roe_ | anyone have any experience using a pci t-1 card in a debian box? This would be used for a router |
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| 22:56.33 | dondelelcaro | roe_: best to ask your actual question |
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| 22:58.49 | meme21 | heya, I would like to add something to a startup file, a source I found on the internet said to use /etc/rc.local, but in Debian I see rc.0 etc., which one should I add it to? |
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| 22:59.29 | MrJK | hello |
| 22:59.36 | meme21 | hello MrJK |
| 23:00.03 | MrJK | I would like to connect to a ftp server, which allow anonymous connections. |
| 23:00.32 | mimcpher | Thats nice |
| 23:00.34 | MrJK | But, I don't find how I can connect with ftp, like an anonymous |
| 23:01.02 | mimcpher | The usual thing to do is put "anonymous" as username and your password as your email. |
| 23:01.06 | MrJK | for the login, I've tried to type anonymous, but it does'nt work |
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| 23:01.54 | octox2 | should an nfs mount in my fstab automatically mount on boot ? |
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| 23:02.16 | meme21 | MrJK: how are you trying to connect to the server? |
| 23:02.18 | MrJK | mimcpher: thanks a lot, it's ok now :d |
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| 23:02.34 | MrJK | with 'ftp myserve.com' |
| 23:02.45 | meme21 | so it is working now MrJK? |
| 23:02.50 | MrJK | yeah |
| 23:02.54 | meme21 | good :) |
| 23:02.58 | themill | meme21: /etc/rc.local exists in debian too |
| 23:03.06 | MrJK | I have entered anonymous with a capital A |
| 23:03.44 | meme21 | themill: are you sure? |
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| 23:04.02 | themill | meme21: err.... ls /etc/rc.local |
| 23:04.16 | meme21 | themill: nothing there |
| 23:04.40 | themill | meme21: what's the output of dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 23:04.47 | meme21 | themill, oh, it is there, sorry |
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| 23:05.37 | meme21 | duh, when I first looked I guess I was looking at directories, not files |
| 23:05.45 | meme21 | thanks themill |
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| 23:07.18 | themill | np |
| 23:07.19 | eptalon | Heyas... |
| 23:07.30 | eptalon | I have a file server running testing |
| 23:08.14 | eptalon | On it I have a software RAID5 (and an LVM) |
| 23:09.42 | eptalon | The MD device is 830G, the PVM (physical volume is 520G +70G).. |
| 23:09.53 | eptalon | so where's the remaining approx 200G? |
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| 23:13.49 | PiousMinion | Anyone know of a composite dock-like app that doesn't crash constantly? I've yet to find one. :( |
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| 23:15.24 | dmoerner | PiousMinion: which ones have you tried? that's a very vague question |
| 23:16.03 | PiousMinion | dmoerner: kiba-dock, awn, and.... I forgot the other one. heh |
| 23:16.17 | dmoerner | cairo? |
| 23:17.02 | PiousMinion | yet to try that one. Have you had a positive experience with it? |
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| 23:17.43 | dmoerner | no, but i know it offers similar functionality. i personally awn and it has never crashed on me, but polling personal testimonials is a pretty poor was to decide what software to use |
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| 23:18.57 | PiousMinion | I've tried several versions of awn on ubuntu(s) and have had them all crash at different points. The awn in the lenny repo is really bad. |
| 23:19.17 | PiousMinion | but it is testing so I can't complain. |
| 23:19.30 | cafuego | PiousMinion: Dock on OSX, works fine and isn't hideous. |
| 23:19.42 | cafuego | Note, may not work as expetced on Linux. |
| 23:19.48 | PiousMinion | cafuego: yeah, but then you have to sell your soul to apple. no thanks |
| 23:20.01 | themill | kxdocker was a crashing PoS last time I looked at it, but I've heard it's better these days. |
| 23:20.14 | stew | cafuego: it would work exactly as i expect it to |
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| 23:20.46 | PiousMinion | is a gtk guy so kxdocker might not look quite right. |
| 23:20.55 | cafuego | PiousMinion: Not really, tgere's heaps of open source apps for osx. |
| 23:21.20 | PiousMinion | cafuego: That's not my issue. :P |
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| 23:22.34 | cafuego | mumbles something about infringing IP by wanting fucntionality |
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| 23:23.28 | Bladesman | Greetings... |
| 23:23.35 | PiousMinion | IP as in? |
| 23:23.55 | themill | software patents |
| 23:24.40 | rvalles | just move somewhere sane without those |
| 23:24.41 | eptalon | How do i fix unusable parts in pvdisplay (with LVM, on testing)? |
| 23:24.44 | PiousMinion | Yeah, sorry. I still have a very hard time with the whole "intellectual property" concept. It's a joke really. |
| 23:24.53 | cafuego | heh |
| 23:24.57 | rvalles | PiousMinion: it is |
| 23:25.00 | cafuego | i love my hackintosh ;-) |
| 23:25.14 | rvalles | I prefer GNU |
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| 23:25.23 | PiousMinion | cafuego: I had a feeling you were in that boat. ;) |
| 23:25.30 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone, does anybody knows if there is some |
| 23:25.35 | vulture | eptalon: Unusable in what sense? You've lost a physical volume & can't recover it from a backup? |
| 23:25.47 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone, does anybody knows if there is some channel devoted topenoffice? |
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| 23:26.00 | themill | rvalles: not that many (western) places that fall into that category these days. |
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| 23:26.21 | eptalon | vulture: pvdisplay: PV Size 830,03 GB / not usable 276,68 GB |
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| 23:26.38 | eptalon | vulture: how do I get those 277GB? |
| 23:26.42 | Bladesman | is blind and he Windows screen reader to use the puter costs $950, minimum. |
| 23:26.53 | themill | nootoyahora: lots. /msg alis list *openoffice* |
| 23:27.04 | eptalon | vulture: Its on a raid that works fine otherwise |
| 23:27.07 | cafuego | PiousMinion: Sadly I have a need of some non-free software; a hackintosh seemed a better option that buying Vista. |
| 23:27.07 | vulture | eptalon: Hmm, I'm not familiar with that result, sorry. |
| 23:27.12 | nootoyahora | themill, thanks a lot |
| 23:27.20 | themill | no worries |
| 23:27.22 | eptalon | vulture: Any pointers? |
| 23:27.33 | nootoyahora | themill, alis is a bot? or what? |
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| 23:27.58 | eptalon | vulture: suppose I shrank the RAID by 277G (1 disk)? |
| 23:28.11 | themill | nootoyahora: yes, it's the chanserv bot for that sort of thing. Ask Dave2 why chanserv can't do channel searching any more. It's "progress" apparently. |
| 23:28.18 | bpgoldsb | Is this channel a good place to ask about package building or is there a better place? |
| 23:28.25 | abrotman | themill: it's got a new name |
| 23:28.35 | abrotman | /whois alis |
| 23:28.38 | vulture | eptalon: Really I could only guess - I did some recovery of my old LVM but at the moment I'm using a VM & not bothering with LVM, so I can't really provide much advice, sorry. |
| 23:28.50 | cafuego | Bladesman: We had a local do a talk on gnome + orca at our LUG last month |
| 23:29.28 | themill | abrotman: and a new search syntax and it only does half the things that chanserv used to do and chanserv just gives you a "permission denied" error if you use "list" rather than telling you where to look instead. It's full of fail all around. |
| 23:29.30 | eptalon | vulture: thanks anyway. |
| 23:29.38 | PiousMinion | cafuego: I would have gone linux with XP in a qemu kvm. :) |
| 23:29.40 | nootoyahora | themill, oh, I was only asking, I'm not an habitual of this irc and I don't know waht bots are running :) |
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| 23:29.43 | abrotman | themill: i didn't make it! |
| 23:30.05 | themill | nootoyahora: yeah, alis is pretty new here too... |
| 23:30.06 | Bladesman | I'm running Lenny, so have Orca. Least I can use Ice Weasel now...sorta. |
| 23:30.11 | cafuego | PiousMinion: That would've required the use of XP though. |
| 23:30.18 | bpgoldsb | I'm trying to backport the latest OpenLDAP in Lenny to Etch. The debian/control file says it needs debhelper (>=5), but debian/compat says version 6. Shouldn't these two settings match up? |
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| 23:30.54 | cafuego | Bladesman: Hmmm yes. he was telling us about the joy of trying to use web 2.0 sites |
| 23:31.01 | smev81 | i expirience problems with azureus/vuze: Missing Cairo. Which package do i have to install or do i have to point azureus to a certain path? |
| 23:31.12 | cafuego | bpgoldsb: 6 >= 5 is true |
| 23:31.13 | PiousMinion | cafuego: Yeah, in my book XP is a much lesser evil than apple. You're book might read a little differently. |
| 23:31.29 | PiousMinion | s/you're/your |
| 23:31.42 | themill | cafuego: but if it's using debhelper 6 functions, then it should depend on dh6 not dh5. |
| 23:31.45 | bpgoldsb | cafuego: Sure. But when I try to build, it fails with: dh_clean: Sorry, but 5 is the highest compatibility level supported by this debhelper. |
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| 23:32.37 | eptalon | Anybody else: LVMs pvdispaly reports 280G unusable space... |
| 23:32.38 | cafuego | bpgoldsb: Hmm tricky. Builds fine when you set compat to 5? |
| 23:32.41 | Bladesman | Would be nice if they ever manage to patch Sun Java into a CLI browser like Links2. |
| 23:33.03 | themill | bpgoldsb: that's a definite error in the packaging. Changing compat to 5 *might* work, but it's unlikely to do so as the maintainer wouldn't have upgraded to dh 6 if they hadn't planned to use something from it. |
| 23:33.04 | bpgoldsb | cafuego: I'll let you know when it finishes. I'm about 10 minutes in on the build. |
| 23:33.12 | cafuego | Bladesman: ouch! go rinse your mouth ;-) |
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| 23:35.00 | roe_ | dondelelcaro, I want to scrap my cisco with a t1 wic for a debian based router, but I don't want to invest $500 if it is either unstable or impossible, no deep technical question really. |
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| 23:35.50 | bpgoldsb | roe_: Mind asking your question again? I might be able to help. I have 2 Debian routers with a T1 in each |
| 23:36.10 | Bladesman | Feh! When you can't even get your mail because your ISP has moved it's mail over to Google and all you have left is chat... Orca will be spending all their time sweeping up messes, like trying to keep a totalled car running. They need a new care, xorg support, rather than just GTK. Orca isn't built to last. |
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| 23:37.05 | cafuego | Bladesman: Ah, but gmail has pop (and possibly) imap interfaces, so you should be able to grab your mail in whatever client you wish. |
| 23:37.40 | roe_ | I have done some ethernet to ethernet routing and it is pretty straight forward. I am getting a t-1 frame relay circuit installed and I don't want to use a 2k cisco as a glorified media converter (I am already using debian as a nat box). So my thought was to get a pci t-1 card and route directly to the framerelay, but I have never done such a thing and was wondering how easy, possible it is. |
| 23:38.12 | dondelelcaro | roe_: it's possible, but the question is the card compatibility. I don't know which T1 cards work with Debian. |
| 23:38.14 | bpgoldsb | roe_: It's very simple. We're using Cyclades PC-300 cards. |
| 23:38.25 | Bladesman | Tried Ebolution, the only one that's supposed to be Orca accessible. Doesn't werk. |
| 23:39.02 | cafuego | Bladesman: Doesn't work how? Can't get at mail or doesn't read properly? |
| 23:39.08 | bpgoldsb | roe_: They show up as a HDLC interface (these are 2port cards, so hdlc0 and hdlc1). Cyclades provides a few simple configuration/scripts. We wrote our own init script, and we're set. |
| 23:39.51 | roe_ | the script would prepare it for the different signaling, then we can just treat it as a normal interface? |
| 23:40.09 | Bladesman | Can't get the mail. Won't connect or something. Who knows. Evolution just stopped working. |
| 23:40.34 | bpgoldsb | roe_: Pretty much. |
| 23:40.41 | roe_ | sounds easy |
| 23:40.46 | roe_ | and that just saved me 2k |
| 23:41.02 | Bladesman | Tired of silent GUI apps anyway. |
| 23:41.07 | bpgoldsb | roe_: If you're familiar with networking, you should be able to get it working in under 30 minutes easily |
| 23:41.18 | roe_ | and driver support is pretty good? |
| 23:41.23 | eptalon | is it possible that the lvm in lenny cannot handle large disks? (on i386)? |
| 23:41.32 | bpgoldsb | We had issues with 2.4 -> 2.6, but that was years ago |
| 23:41.35 | bpgoldsb | Been solid ever since |
| 23:41.39 | cafuego | Bladesman: That's annoying. Mine does grab it... are you able to try a CLI app like say mutt? |
| 23:41.45 | bpgoldsb | That was also like.. 2.6.2 |
| 23:41.54 | bpgoldsb | And Gentoo |
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| 23:42.21 | tuxHadron | hi |
| 23:42.25 | dmoerner | eptalon: how large? |
| 23:42.26 | eptalon | bpgoldsb: pvm tells me I have roughly 280G of volume unusable. |
| 23:42.35 | Bladesman | No. I can download with getmail, can't delete the mail once downloaded from imap.gmail.com, and can't send via smtp. |
| 23:42.37 | eptalon | dmoerner: roughly 280GB |
| 23:42.39 | tuxHadron | wi in xgl session the keyboard language is not exact _ |
| 23:42.40 | meme21 | I am trying to run a script (even tried as root) and get the following error: "error while loading shared libraries: libz.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
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| 23:42.54 | eptalon | dmoerner: kernel 2.6.26 |
| 23:42.55 | tuxHadron | my keabord dont work well |
| 23:43.04 | tuxHadron | keyboard |
| 23:43.09 | roe_ | bpgoldsb, got a reseller? I seem to be failing at google... |
| 23:43.12 | eptalon | should I file a bug? |
| 23:43.18 | bpgoldsb | roe_: Any other questions? I'm going to take off shortly. |
| 23:43.23 | bpgoldsb | We ordered it directly from them |
| 23:43.23 | abrotman | meme21: install zlib1g |
| 23:43.26 | dmoerner | eptalon: that's tiny, relatively speaking. i have a 320 lvm right in front of me. perhaps the problem is related to something else |
| 23:43.36 | meme21 | in my /usr/lib is a link from libz.so.1 to libz.so.1.2.3 so it is installed |
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| 23:43.58 | meme21 | abrotman: I have tried installing zlib1g and it said it was already installed |
| 23:44.01 | Bladesman | I jammeth. Keep well... |
| 23:44.02 | eptalon | dmoerner: total size of (software) raid is like 800G, roughly 500 are used for LVM |
| 23:44.11 | bpgoldsb | roe_: http://www.avocent.com/ Looks like these guys bought Cyclades |
| 23:44.18 | abrotman | meme21: that is what provides libz.so.1 |
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| 23:44.28 | cafuego | oh well |
| 23:44.44 | eptalon | dmoerner: I wanted to use the remaining 280 as well.. |
| 23:44.53 | meme21 | abrotman: yes, but it is already installed |
| 23:45.20 | abrotman | meme21: put the script in a pastebin |
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| 23:46.29 | meme21 | abrotman: sorry, maybe script was the wrong word to use, it is a program called atrtserv.linux (encoding seems to be ELF) |
| 23:46.41 | abrotman | that's a bit different |
| 23:46.49 | abrotman | meme21: ldd <filename> |
| 23:46.53 | abrotman | put that in a pastebin |
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| 23:48.30 | meme21 | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1199456 |
| 23:49.04 | roe_ | doesn't look like they sell the cyclades t1 card anymore |
| 23:49.10 | abrotman | meme21: and on your system .. locate libz.so.1 .. does it return anything ? |
| 23:49.36 | meme21 | abrotman: yes, /usr/lib/libz.so.1 |
| 23:49.44 | abrotman | meme21: ls -l /usr/lib/libz.so.1 |
| 23:50.25 | meme21 | abrotman: /usr/lib/libz.so.1 -> libz.so.1.2.3 |
| 23:50.38 | meme21 | libz.so.1.2.3 is also in /usr/lib |
| 23:50.46 | abrotman | and `ls -l /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.3` |
| 23:50.51 | abrotman | does it point somewhere else ? |
| 23:51.05 | meme21 | no |
| 23:51.06 | abrotman | it shouldn't |
| 23:51.38 | abrotman | meme21: you're on amd64 and the binary is 32bit ? |
| 23:51.40 | meme21 | libz.so.1 points to libz.so.1.2.3, but libz.so.1.2.3 is just a file |
| 23:51.51 | meme21 | abrotman: amd64 |
| 23:52.05 | abrotman | meme21: file <file you're trying to run> |
| 23:52.17 | meme21 | ah, maybe that is the problem |
| 23:52.23 | abrotman | !ia32libs |
| 23:52.26 | abrotman | hrm .. |
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| 23:53.21 | meme21 | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1199460 |
| 23:53.22 | abrotman | !ia32-libs |
| 23:53.25 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 23:53.27 | themill | fail |
| 23:53.40 | cafuego | i' |
| 23:53.54 | cafuego | m in ur intertubes, haxing ur bots |
| 23:53.55 | abrotman | i'd guess trying to run that on a pure64 system isn't a great plan |
| 23:53.59 | themill | abrotman: don't worry, those factoids will be there in about 10 minutes' time once you'ce created them :) |
| 23:54.01 | abrotman | cafuego: could you stop please? |
| 23:54.08 | abrotman | themill: heck with that! |
| 23:54.11 | abrotman | it's there somewhere! |
| 23:54.23 | abrotman | or not :( |
| 23:54.58 | meme21 | okay, thanks abrotman, at least I know what the problem is, maybe I'll try to contact the ATRT company and see if they can come up with a 64bit program |
| 23:55.08 | abrotman | meme21: if you install ia32-libs .. does it run ? |
| 23:56.12 | meme21 | abrotman: let me give that a try, any problems I should be aware of before installing it? |
| 23:56.24 | abrotman | if i had an amd64 machine .. i might be able to ttell you |
| 23:56.35 | meme21 | okay, thanks :) |
| 23:56.47 | abrotman | PIGGY! |
| 23:57.07 | meme21 | lol |
| 23:57.37 | abrotman | if you keep quiet .. Piggy might come back |
| 23:57.40 | rvalles | 23:26:00 < themill> rvalles: not that many (western) places that fall into that category these days. -> yeah, life's getting harder in this stupid planet |
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| 23:57.55 | themill | :( |
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