| 00:00.00 | dustybin | should server be written like: 192.168.2.0 |
| 00:00.14 | dustybin | or 192.168.2.254 |
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| 00:00.50 | mewshi | how do I get 'startx' to work on my machine? |
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| 00:01.20 | htmlol | Wyzard: I know they're all ATA. but this one is _just_ ATA. |
| 00:01.40 | mbroeker | mewshi, dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
| 00:02.16 | htmlol | the smaller laptop size |
| 00:02.29 | Wyzard | htmlol: What type of data connector does the drive have? |
| 00:02.34 | htmlol | dogmeat: what? |
| 00:02.46 | Wyzard | htmlol: A SATA plug, or a 40-pin plug for an IDE ribbon cable? |
| 00:02.58 | htmlol | I've never opened it up. it's a laptop. |
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| 00:03.13 | htmlol | it's like a thousand screws and it was never necessary |
| 00:03.14 | Wyzard | htmlol: then your statement that it's "just ATA" is meaningless |
| 00:03.20 | htmlol | :/ sorry |
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| 00:03.51 | Wyzard | htmlol: It's either PATA (40-pin ribbon cable) or SATA (thin cable with a 4-pin plug) |
| 00:04.25 | htmlol | which would go with a smaller drive? |
| 00:04.37 | Wyzard | htmlol: The fact that it's a 2.5" drive (the "smaller laptop size") has nothing to do with it |
| 00:04.39 | streuner | mewshi: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 00:04.59 | kgoetz | laptop pata is usually 44 pin |
| 00:05.09 | kgoetz | power goes over the same ribon |
| 00:05.41 | Wyzard | 2.5" PATA drives use a special miniature variant of the 40-pin connector, which includes 4 extra pins for power as kgoetz said; 2.5" SATA drives use the same SATA connectors as larger drives, because SATA connectors are already small enough |
| 00:05.52 | streuner | how about to use a live-CD (grml) and look at the logs? |
| 00:06.35 | anomaly | can you still init the installation via dos? no blank cds or floppy, but I do have a usbdrive. it books to a C:\ and I have loadlin, but can't find zimage on the ftp site.. but I can put all the files needed from netinst for a basic system. just stuck on how to get loadlin going |
| 00:06.53 | kyrbe | will a "pstack PID | more" block the process? I was told pstack temporarily halts the process |
| 00:07.22 | themill | anomaly: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 00:07.31 | inc_ | can someone help me make my sound work its a intel soundcard |
| 00:07.34 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 00:07.34 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 00:08.05 | anomaly | themill ty |
| 00:08.54 | inc_ | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 00:08.56 | mewshi | it says 'command not found' O.o |
| 00:08.58 | inc_ | is the chip |
| 00:09.02 | mewshi | for startx |
| 00:09.14 | streuner | xbase-clients? |
| 00:09.19 | streuner | !find startx |
| 00:09.45 | Wyzard | inc_: The driver for that is snd-hda-intel, but it should be loaded automatically by udev |
| 00:09.52 | streuner | !installit |
| 00:09.52 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 00:09.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'startx' (4): (/usr/bin/startx) in x11/xinit ;; (/usr/bin/startxfce4) in x11/xfce4-utils ;; (/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/startx) in misc/ltsp-client-core ;; (/usr/share/gambas2/help/help/comp/gb+qt/mouse/startx.html) in doc/gambas2-doc. |
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| 00:10.33 | mewshi | but i had x running before!!! O.o |
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| 00:10.48 | streuner | sure, prolla viq gdm |
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| 00:11.10 | streuner | sure, prolly via gdm |
| 00:11.44 | mewshi | well, how do I get it going so that I can type startx? |
| 00:12.40 | streuner | you need a xsession file in your homedir |
| 00:12.46 | streuner | and startx itself |
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| 00:13.34 | mewshi | i never removed those, as far as I know |
| 00:13.41 | htmlol | grrrr brb |
| 00:13.43 | streuner | mewshi: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 00:13.57 | robokop | my grub seems to be broken |
| 00:14.00 | robokop | http://pastebin.com/m6654ab41 |
| 00:14.04 | mewshi | what do I need to install to get the command startx? |
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| 00:14.26 | zinx | mewshi: xserver-xorg |
| 00:14.39 | Aaron | hey what's the msn called for the terminal tmsn? |
| 00:15.08 | mewshi | thank you, zinx |
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| 00:16.04 | Aaron | hey what's the msn called for the terminal tmsn? |
| 00:16.45 | streuner | bitte geben sie noch eine positive Bewertung ab. |
| 00:16.45 | streuner | Wir würden uns über jeweils 5 Punkte in der detailierten Bewertung freuen. |
| 00:16.45 | streuner | Unsere Software gibt automatisch nach Erhalt einer positiven Bewertung positiv ab. |
| 00:16.45 | streuner | Gruss |
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| 00:16.59 | mewshi | um... zinx it's still not there >.< |
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| 00:17.20 | sparn | hi is anyone interested in setting up strongswan - i have it running just looking for someone on the other side |
| 00:17.23 | robokop | mewshi: xinit should do it |
| 00:17.29 | kgoetz | Aaron: tried searching for it? |
| 00:17.35 | zinx | mewshi: strange |
| 00:17.55 | streuner | amset:/home/streuner# dpkg -S /usr/bin/startx |
| 00:17.55 | streuner | xinit: /usr/bin/startx |
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| 00:18.02 | kgoetz | Aaron: i found it in two tries, i'd say you can as well |
| 00:18.24 | zinx | oh |
| 00:18.35 | zinx | mewshi: sorry, the package that depends on everything is just 'xorg' :x |
| 00:18.46 | streuner | zinx: X is already installed |
| 00:18.55 | zinx | streuner: yeah, but that'll make sure he has everything. |
| 00:19.04 | zinx | streuner: to avoid followup questions :/ |
| 00:19.19 | Aaron | kgoetz: what is it called? |
| 00:19.21 | zinx | like 'why does it say it cant find fixed' |
| 00:19.37 | robokop | my grub seems to be broken: http://pastebin.com/m6654ab41 |
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| 00:19.52 | kgoetz | 09:47:39 kgoetz@leia:~$ apt-cache search msn |grep console |
| 00:19.52 | kgoetz | tmsnc - textbased (console) MSN client |
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| 00:20.00 | kgoetz | Aaron: ^^ tricky isnt it. |
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| 00:20.24 | abrotman | apt-cache search msn console ? |
| 00:20.45 | nadio | Where do I check the dhclient boot up in debian ? |
| 00:20.51 | Aaron | abrotman: im using Fbsd |
| 00:20.59 | abrotman | and you're asking here? |
| 00:21.00 | nadio | I need to find what NIC it runs the dhcp on |
| 00:21.02 | Aaron | why not? |
| 00:21.07 | Aaron | is not a fbsd question |
| 00:21.08 | Aaron | is it? |
| 00:21.10 | abrotman | Aaron: this is #debian .. not #fbsd |
| 00:21.11 | relis87 | Can someone please tell me the name of the cpu/etc monitor on the right of THIS picture? http://www.fedoraforum.org/gallery/file_4gallery/7/2/6/1/3/screenshot_original.png |
| 00:21.13 | abrotman | or #freebsd |
| 00:21.22 | Aaron | who cares i never did asked anything about fbsd you smart ass |
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| 00:21.42 | streuner | hm |
| 00:21.46 | zinx | relis87: looks like gkrellm with a slightly modified CoplandOS theme |
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| 00:21.53 | htmlol | so it appears |
| 00:21.56 | relis87 | GKRELLM THATS IT |
| 00:21.58 | relis87 | THANK YOU |
| 00:22.00 | inc_ | any sound experts? |
| 00:22.00 | htmlol | my bios has virtually no features. |
| 00:22.05 | relis87 | I forgot the name lol |
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| 00:22.23 | inc_ | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 00:22.26 | zinx | relis87: though it has antialiasing on the fonts, not sure if gkrellm has that |
| 00:22.28 | inc_ | ive tried almoist everything |
| 00:22.46 | relis87 | It's gkrellm, this was my desktop 2 years ago |
| 00:22.48 | Wyzard | inc_: What's the actual problem you're having? |
| 00:22.50 | relis87 | And I couldnt remember the name |
| 00:22.56 | relis87 | and you got the theme right too :P |
| 00:23.02 | mewshi | Also, I'm trying to install mythtv, and it gives me errors... |
| 00:23.10 | Wyzard | inc_: I already told you the name of the driver, and it should be loaded automatically by udev (hardware detection) |
| 00:23.24 | Wyzard | inc_: It's part of the standard kernel and doesn't require any additional software |
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| 00:25.12 | inc_ | Wyzard: no sound |
| 00:25.34 | inc_ | i just ran module-assistant downloaded the latest alsa and built/installed it |
| 00:25.37 | inc_ | then ran alsaconf again |
| 00:25.39 | inc_ | nada |
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| 00:25.47 | dvs | inc_: Then you probably have to use alsamixer to unmute all the channels. |
| 00:25.56 | Wyzard | inc_: You do not need to, and should not, custom-compile ALSA to make that sound chip work |
| 00:25.57 | inc_ | their all the way up dvs ;s |
| 00:26.09 | dvs | inc_: But are they unmuted? |
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| 00:26.20 | Wyzard | and alsaconf isn't needed these days |
| 00:26.26 | inc_ | dvs: yes :) |
| 00:26.45 | dvs | inc_: Are you part of the audio group? |
| 00:26.51 | nadio | What file controlls the dhcp of interfaces? |
| 00:26.55 | inc_ | dvs: i was testing it from root |
| 00:27.04 | Wyzard | Make sure your speakers are connected to the right jack |
| 00:27.05 | dvs | shakes his head |
| 00:27.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | dvs, sorrows? |
| 00:28.03 | dvs | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah. Time to drown them. |
| 00:29.12 | inc_ | Wyzard: checked and double checked |
| 00:29.18 | inc_ | turned on and turned all the way up |
| 00:29.22 | inc_ | this is a weird error |
| 00:29.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | !beer dvs |
| 00:29.27 | dpkg | pours a litre of Jever for dvs |
| 00:29.27 | inc_ | b/c it worked b4 i installed debian |
| 00:29.32 | inc_ | so its not the hardware |
| 00:30.25 | mewshi | When i get the errors for installing mythtv, can one of you help me? |
| 00:30.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | inc_, you did also unmute them, now did you? (not just put them "all the way up") (and sorry for busting in, perhaps you already said so) |
| 00:30.46 | Wyzard | inc_: Well, I don't have an ICH7, but I do have an ICH6, ICH8, and ICH9, which all use that same snd-hda-intel driver, and I've never needed to do anything more than unmute the channels in alsamixer |
| 00:30.48 | inc_ | uh im pretty sure their unmuted CutMeOwnThroat |
| 00:30.52 | inc_ | do you want a print screen ;p |
| 00:30.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah |
| 00:30.59 | streuner | the tric is NOT to install it, its the thingie to configure... |
| 00:31.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you're getting no error? |
| 00:31.17 | Wyzard | inc_: udev recognizes the hardware and loads the driver automatically |
| 00:31.25 | inc_ | so how do i uninstall the driver |
| 00:31.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | inc_, demesg also not spitting out something errorlike when you load the module? |
| 00:31.26 | streuner | mythtv isnt trivial |
| 00:31.30 | inc_ | then make udevdo it over |
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| 00:31.54 | Saar | is it ok to do a "chroot /target" in a preseed/late_command? or might it get stuck in the chroot and not perform any commands after that? |
| 00:31.54 | Wyzard | inc_: uninstall the alsa-modules package you built with module-assistant, I guess |
| 00:32.05 | Wyzard | inc_: and get rid of alsaconf too; you don't need it |
| 00:32.14 | chrome | so, how much of a terrible idea is cronning apt-get upgrade ? :) |
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| 00:32.33 | chrome | you know, if you're ultra-lazy |
| 00:32.36 | streuner | silly |
| 00:32.38 | Wyzard | inc_: alsaconf was for setting up /etc/modules stuff to manually load the right sound drivers in the days before udev did it automatically |
| 00:32.54 | streuner | stupiest idea ever :-) |
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| 00:33.16 | chrome | oh i dunno, i can think of worse things |
| 00:33.28 | chrome | vegemite in tea, for one. |
| 00:33.37 | inc_ | ok well lemme post a screenshot u tell me if its unmuted |
| 00:33.44 | inc_ | just apt-get removed/apt-get installed alsa |
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| 00:34.41 | streuner | well, /me remember one situation it was helpful |
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| 00:35.00 | streuner | kernel-bug, but that was really an exeption |
| 00:35.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | chrome, just do it :) |
| 00:35.28 | streuner | (vegemite in tea) |
| 00:35.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf is vegemite |
| 00:36.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | a dark brown savoury food paste... hell, you're trying me |
| 00:36.38 | inc_ | http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alsamixerpi9.png |
| 00:36.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | inc_, haha :) |
| 00:37.10 | Wyzard | inc_: If those are your only two mixer channels, something is weird |
| 00:37.12 | inc_ | its unmuted right? |
| 00:37.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | inc_, I *did* say I belive you :) |
| 00:37.27 | inc_ | i know CutMeOwnThroat i was just double checkin |
| 00:37.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | but Wyzard is right, these are suspiciously few mixers |
| 00:37.37 | inc_ | ugh |
| 00:37.44 | inc_ | i need teh sound |
| 00:37.51 | chrome | well, I cron "apt-get -sV upgrade" and send myself the output if there is stuff to do |
| 00:37.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | inc_, er... db gain-0.0, 0.0 |
| 00:38.07 | chrome | but I always end up installing everything anyway |
| 00:38.15 | inc_ | whats that mean CutMeOwnThroat |
| 00:38.15 | Wyzard | inc_: Unload and reload the snd-hda-intel module and check for messages in dmesg |
| 00:38.17 | chrome | so, why have the human in there |
| 00:38.26 | chrome | fucking hay fever, goddamn it. |
| 00:38.34 | Saar | or better, if an apt-get install package does need user input will it get stuck? |
| 00:38.50 | Saar | in the preseed/late_command |
| 00:38.54 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: gain=0 doesn't necessarily indicate a problem |
| 00:38.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | inc_, I wonder... I mean.. a gain of 0 dB and you get no sound is kind of suggestive |
| 00:39.13 | inc_ | so how do i set the gain up x_x |
| 00:39.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wyzard, I know... it's just suspicious |
| 00:39.24 | enouf | http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php |
| 00:39.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | considering |
| 00:39.32 | chrome | Saar: you can get it to just bail if it hits a question. I don't mind dealing with it in that case. |
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| 00:39.39 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: That just means the card is neither amplifying nor attenuating -- I get gains of 0.00 at a volume setting of about 74% on the PCM channel on my sound card |
| 00:39.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | inc_, I don't know if you can - or if it really means anything - I just thought I point it out to you |
| 00:39.48 | chrome | its just thec ommon case of "new package, apt-get upgrade, done" |
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| 00:40.06 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: I use that setting because higher levels (positive gain) can cause clipping |
| 00:40.20 | enouf | all my audio clips :-/ |
| 00:40.42 | Wyzard | inc_: The gain numbers are just another representation of the volume level... if they're zero at 100% volume, they should become increasingly negative as you turn the volume slider down |
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| 00:41.00 | inc_ | yea they do Wyzard |
| 00:41.10 | Saar | chrome: well it seems to be stuck at 23%, my guess is a sun-java install is asking for a "y" but I did add a "apt-get -y xxx" |
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| 00:41.33 | Saar | which I would think takes care of asking such yes no questions |
| 00:41.37 | inc_ | what about OSS instead of alsa |
| 00:41.46 | inc_ | er sigmatel |
| 00:41.49 | Saar | cant really see if its doing anything since there is no top |
| 00:41.52 | enouf | miniplugs / minijacks really suck some hard ass |
| 00:41.54 | chrome | do you want to delete the root filesyste? (y/n) |
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| 00:42.07 | Wyzard | inc_: I don't know if there even is an OSS driver for that chip, but you wouldn't really want to use it anyway |
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| 00:42.23 | inc_ | ugh |
| 00:42.25 | Wyzard | inc_: Did you unload and reload the driver and check for warnings in dmesg like I suggested? |
| 00:42.26 | inc_ | i just want it to work |
| 00:42.34 | robokop | Saar: sun-java is asking for some license accepting and `more`s the license |
| 00:42.34 | enouf | use windows |
| 00:42.39 | inc_ | no error messages Wyzard |
| 00:42.45 | dvs | glares at enouf |
| 00:42.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | inc_, what about error messages - do you get none at all? unload the kernel module (lsmod |grep -i hda ; then rmmod the one you think it is) and load it again, check what dmesg sais when you load it |
| 00:42.55 | enouf | especially win98 |
| 00:43.00 | amphi | heh |
| 00:43.20 | enouf | atleast friggin DVD playback doesn't fucken stutter |
| 00:43.27 | NiCeBoY | Hello, i got a server with debian installed in it.. The only access i have with it is SSH and no physical access..I want to remove access this server.. and it does not have any graphical user interface installed on it.. what can i do to be able to remote this server please? |
| 00:43.27 | inc_ | ERROR: Module snd_hda_intel is in use |
| 00:43.43 | chrome | ooh apticron |
| 00:43.46 | inc_ | NiCeBoY: what do you mean |
| 00:44.15 | chrome | Saar: http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux/2006-March/015102.html |
| 00:44.30 | NiCeBoY | inc_ like remote desktop.. i want to remote the server.. |
| 00:44.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | inc_, well - kill everything that uses the sound device - if unsure what it is, you can do something like fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd/* |
| 00:44.39 | inc_ | install tightvnc |
| 00:44.41 | NiCeBoY | and see everywthing what going on ther.e. graphically.. |
| 00:44.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | inc_, if you cannot kill it off, reboot |
| 00:45.03 | inc_ | NiCeBoY: apt-get install tightvnc |
| 00:45.24 | inc_ | then set up a ssh tunnel so the tightvnc sessions are encrypted |
| 00:45.33 | NiCeBoY | inc_ hmmm let me try... |
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| 00:47.24 | inc_ | ugh |
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| 00:47.27 | inc_ | its trippin |
| 00:47.37 | inc_ | i killed Volume Control b/c it was the only thing using it |
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| 00:47.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | and? |
| 00:47.50 | dvs | inc_: Then try it now? |
| 00:47.50 | inc_ | imma paste like 3 lines right quick |
| 00:47.57 | inc_ | ERROR: Module snd_hda_intel does not exist in /proc/modules |
| 00:47.57 | inc_ | ERROR: Module snd_hda_codec does not exist in /proc/modules |
| 00:47.57 | inc_ | ERROR: Module snd_pcm does not exist in /proc/modules |
| 00:48.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's just one line |
| 00:48.18 | streuner | hm, debhelper was harder to me :-) |
| 00:48.33 | Wyzard | inc_: That means the module isn't loaded |
| 00:48.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, and you DESERVED it, for sure |
| 00:48.38 | adnc | how is debian handling logrotation of the syslog file? the configuration of logrotate does not contan here any entries but it is daily compressed here. |
| 00:48.48 | inc_ | so uh how do i load it Wyzard ;s |
| 00:48.49 | streuner | CutM: :-P |
| 00:48.53 | Wyzard | inc_: What did you run that gave you that output? |
| 00:48.53 | inc_ | thx for the help btw |
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| 00:49.08 | inc_ | rmmod snd_hda_intel snd_hda_codec snd_pcm |
| 00:49.23 | dvs | inc_: modprobe -r actually |
| 00:49.29 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: :-P |
| 00:49.38 | Wyzard | inc_: Did you run it twice or something? |
| 00:49.45 | inc_ | oh |
| 00:49.45 | enouf | inc_: you need to familiarize yourself with much - "/msg dpkg alsa checklist" , "/msg dpkg soundcheck" , "cat /proc/asound/cards" , "lshal | grep device_file | sort" |
| 00:49.47 | inc_ | that could be it |
| 00:50.05 | Saar | hm thanks for the suggestions, it looks like it got stuck before the apt-get installs, since I first do a chroot /target, then a cd /etc/apt/ and wget sources.list, yet the /etc/apt/sources.list is not yet the one I try to wget |
| 00:50.07 | enouf | rmmod is 2.4 |
| 00:50.16 | enouf | do not use it on 2.6 |
| 00:50.20 | enouf | !rmmod |
| 00:50.21 | dpkg | well, rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' (or <modconf>) instead |
| 00:50.32 | robokop | could sb help me fix my grub |
| 00:50.34 | inc_ | ok well modprobe -r didnt have any output |
| 00:50.46 | enouf | run alsaconf and say yes |
| 00:50.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | inc_, dmesg must say *something* |
| 00:50.47 | inc_ | console:~# lsmod |grep -i hda |
| 00:50.47 | inc_ | console:~# |
| 00:50.48 | Saar | chroot /target ; \ cd /etc/apt/; \ wget http://10.1.1.111/sources.list; \ |
| 00:50.52 | dvs | inc_: That's good! |
| 00:51.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | inc_, modprobe itself doesn't alsways give output |
| 00:51.04 | enouf | run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base , select alsa |
| 00:51.16 | enouf | use -v |
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| 00:51.51 | enouf | inc_: install alsa-utils alsa-oss |
| 00:52.34 | inc_ | enouf: done |
| 00:52.52 | enouf | did anything install? |
| 00:53.17 | inc_ | yea i already had utils but not oss |
| 00:53.32 | enouf | restart your entire DE session |
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| 00:53.44 | enouf | !de |
| 00:53.44 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 00:53.49 | enouf | crap |
| 00:53.55 | dvs | craps |
| 00:53.56 | inc_ | uh just X or the whole comp |
| 00:54.09 | inc_ | brb |
| 00:54.13 | streuner | !listkeys environment |
| 00:54.14 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'environment' by key (5): kde - k desktop environment ;; xenvironment ;; desktop environments ;; man environment ;; environment. |
| 00:54.18 | enouf | dpkg de is also DE == Desktop Environment |
| 00:54.18 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
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| 00:54.39 | abrotman | wait to confuse it |
| 00:54.48 | enouf | dumbass :-P |
| 00:54.57 | robokop | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.02 | enouf | yes |
| 00:55.30 | enouf | agreed - add that to some factoid about restarting X robokop |
| 00:55.31 | tonkar | hi again, another question |
| 00:55.40 | enouf | if a DM is being used indeed |
| 00:55.43 | tonkar | bash has the option to inerpret a string as a file |
| 00:55.47 | beeb22 | what are some reasons that mdadm would mark a drive faulty and drop it from an array? |
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| 00:55.56 | tonkar | like cat < <(echo foo) |
| 00:56.06 | enouf | beeb22: the docs tell you some |
| 00:56.20 | robokop | if you don't use a DM then you should know how to restart X |
| 00:56.21 | tonkar | i need some program to do the same think |
| 00:56.21 | enouf | well - maybe not so many .. but |
| 00:56.33 | beeb22 | enouf: whats the most common reason it would mark a drive faulty |
| 00:56.36 | beeb22 | sudden power loss? |
| 00:56.46 | tonkar | like cat < command "lala" |
| 00:56.47 | enouf | robokop: many people don't know what a DM is, nor what X is |
| 00:56.52 | tonkar | any idea? |
| 00:57.03 | enouf | beeb22: corruption, or a bad drive |
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| 00:57.18 | inc_ | back |
| 00:57.18 | beeb22 | the drive is fine, i just ran SMART tests on it |
| 00:57.22 | inc_ | no luck |
| 00:57.47 | enouf | inc_: lsmod | grep snd_mixer |
| 00:57.55 | DanDare | I downloaded sarge DVD set some time ago If i download it today it comes different? With updated packages and some changes or the distro distribution will be always the same thing ? |
| 00:58.06 | enouf | inc_: are you using KDE or GNOME ? |
| 00:58.10 | inc_ | snd_mixer_oss 15200 1 snd_pcm_oss |
| 00:58.10 | inc_ | snd 47012 12 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer |
| 00:58.17 | inc_ | gnome |
| 00:58.20 | enouf | ok, that's fine |
| 00:58.36 | enouf | so - i came late - what's the real issue |
| 00:58.41 | inc_ | uh |
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| 00:58.46 | inc_ | no sound comes from the speakers |
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| 00:59.26 | enouf | !soundcheck |
| 00:59.26 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp ...use Ctrl-C to stop it after a few seconds. If it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 00:59.41 | inc_ | Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono |
| 00:59.41 | enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 00:59.42 | DanDare | sorry, the above question is about Etch not Sarge |
| 00:59.42 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
| 00:59.42 | dvs | inc_: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 00:59.44 | robokop | i have some serious trouble with grub, can somebody help me |
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| 00:59.56 | enouf | !speaker-test |
| 00:59.56 | dpkg | from memory, speaker-test is do; "speaker-test -tsine -f440 -c2" to test if speakers are working in alsa (install alsa-utils), ask me about <alsa checklist> and <soundcheck> |
| 01:00.01 | inc_ | enouf: i tried that whole thing |
| 01:00.03 | streuner | inc_: intel soundchip? |
| 01:00.06 | inc_ | yes |
| 01:00.09 | dvs | streuner: yup |
| 01:00.10 | abrotman | enouf: msg the bot? |
| 01:00.14 | streuner | omg |
| 01:00.18 | DanDare | robokop, you must ask the question (this case discribing the issue i guess) |
| 01:00.20 | enouf | orders a nice pepperoni pizza |
| 01:00.36 | streuner | using an intel soundchip, it only work with a 2.6.24 kernel |
| 01:00.47 | inc_ | streuner: thats what im on |
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| 01:00.52 | robokop | grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /dev/hdc5. |
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| 01:00.56 | inc_ | ugh |
| 01:01.04 | inc_ | i tried rubbing some dirt on it and everything |
| 01:01.09 | inc_ | im about to try a shotgun |
| 01:01.20 | stew | the only problem with telling someone to cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp is the case when /dev/dsp doesn't exist, and as a result, they quickly fill / |
| 01:01.38 | streuner | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 01:01.48 | DanDare | robokop, its started doing that after a time ? I mean it was OK in the past and started giving you the error or it just started after install ? |
| 01:01.49 | stew | inc_: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 01:01.51 | dvs | stew: I always forget what the proper command to test the sounds |
| 01:01.51 | inc_ | stew: i didnt run it i dont have a /dev/dsp |
| 01:01.53 | streuner | inc_: is that the same one? |
| 01:02.04 | inc_ | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 01:02.14 | robokop | after about 3 months of running lenny |
| 01:02.14 | dvs | inc_: Oh, that's a problem! |
| 01:02.24 | inc_ | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 01:02.27 | stew | dvs: i like "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" |
| 01:02.32 | dvs | inc_: Get the ethnhalf kernel |
| 01:02.39 | DanDare | robokop, you changed HDD ? added new ones or changed the partitions on the HDD ? |
| 01:02.49 | inc_ | dvs: u lost me |
| 01:02.50 | dvs | stew: I thought there was a proper "test" command to do it. |
| 01:02.50 | stew | inc_: i'd recommend trying to 2.6.24 kernel that should be available to you |
| 01:02.50 | robokop | no |
| 01:03.03 | dvs | inc_: seconded |
| 01:03.12 | inc_ | apt-get install kernel-2.6.24 ? |
| 01:03.21 | stew | inc_: "apt-cache search -n linux-image" you should see a 2.6.24 option |
| 01:03.28 | DanDare | robokop, so sounds weird can you boot into linux by someway ? |
| 01:03.29 | stew | dvs: /usr/bin/speaker-test |
| 01:03.34 | dvs | That's it! |
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| 01:04.00 | inc_ | linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486 - Linux 2.6.24 image on x86 |
| 01:04.02 | inc_ | ? |
| 01:04.09 | dvs | inc_: is there a 686? |
| 01:04.11 | enouf | see aforementioned factoid !speaker-test |
| 01:04.12 | robokop | i am still booted in it, and i found it out today when i wanted to update my kernel |
| 01:04.19 | inc_ | dvs: yes |
| 01:04.22 | robokop | DanDare: i am still booted in it, and i found it out today when i wanted to update my kernel |
| 01:04.24 | dvs | inc_: Get that one |
| 01:04.34 | stew | inc_: you want the -686 version though |
| 01:04.40 | enouf | the one that abrotman had a baby about |
| 01:04.47 | enouf | :-P |
| 01:04.50 | dvs | inc_: I trust you have something later then a Pentium 3. |
| 01:04.50 | DanDare | robokop, checked for sure that /dev/hdc5 its really your /root ? |
| 01:04.54 | stew | i'm assuming its not an snd-hda-intel in a 586 |
| 01:05.01 | robokop | DanDare: yes |
| 01:05.08 | inc_ | dvs: its a p4 |
| 01:05.08 | stew | dvs: (pentium-pro) |
| 01:05.12 | inc_ | ok |
| 01:05.13 | inc_ | installin |
| 01:05.18 | inc_ | gonna have to reboot again.. |
| 01:05.27 | dvs | yup |
| 01:05.33 | DanDare | robokop, tried reconfiguring grub ? |
| 01:05.36 | inc_ | brb |
| 01:05.46 | enouf | inc_: for a new kernel - it's worthy ;-) |
| 01:05.50 | robokop | DanDare: yes |
| 01:06.13 | DanDare | robokop, cant help anymore :p in other words: cant help by any way :( |
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| 01:07.41 | inc_ | ok |
| 01:07.45 | inc_ | still no sound... |
| 01:07.46 | inc_ | pos |
| 01:07.46 | dvs | ...and/ |
| 01:07.59 | inc_ | annnd my virtualbox broke ;/ |
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| 01:08.05 | inc_ | but i dont care i can fix that later |
| 01:08.06 | enouf | haha |
| 01:08.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | robokop, less -f /dev/hdc or less -f /dev/hdc1 shows the disk, I guess? |
| 01:08.16 | dvs | inc_: and alsamixer doesn't have more sliders? |
| 01:08.22 | streuner | well, i can you give you my kernel |
| 01:08.27 | inc_ | 2 sliders |
| 01:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | inc_, see, you're making progress :-P |
| 01:08.35 | inc_ | 4 sure CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 01:08.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | inc_, but you still didn't tell what dmesg sais when you load the hda kernel modules for your soundchip |
| 01:08.48 | streuner | what is the factoid to package existing files again into a package? |
| 01:09.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | inc_, haha - also check again if it's muted :) That was the case for me - after it finally worked, it was muted |
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| 01:09.15 | streuner | Linux version 2.6.24-1-686 (Debian 2.6.24-6) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080308 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-21)) #1 SMP Sat Apr 19 00:37:55 UTC 2008 |
| 01:09.21 | inc_ | CutMeOwnThroat: not muted |
| 01:09.27 | robokop | C.M.O.T Dibbler: yes |
| 01:09.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, the man knows me :) |
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| 01:09.48 | stew | inc_: can you show us the output of "amixer" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 01:09.54 | inc_ | lemme alsa conf again... |
| 01:09.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | robokop, anything unusual when you look at the partition table (e.g. cfdisk /dev/hdc)? |
| 01:10.28 | DanDare | Can same distro distribution media set changes it contents along the time ? Like if i downloaded Etch some time ago and download it today it cames with different content like upgrades and so ? |
| 01:10.31 | basix | hi i'm trying to install debian sid on a thinkpad t400. i followed the USB stick tutorial here: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s04.html#usb-add-iso but i get a MBR1234FA: prompt. I'm not able to boot off the USB disk. What should i do?? |
| 01:10.36 | streuner | inc_: somebody surely asked you before, but ESD doesnt run, right? |
| 01:10.49 | inc_ | whats ESD? |
| 01:10.56 | streuner | !esd |
| 01:10.56 | dpkg | well, esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox, or an EarSoreDaemon |
| 01:11.05 | robokop | CutMeOwnThroat: uhm cfdisk errors: FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 7: enlarged logical partitions overlap |
| 01:11.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | robokop, there you are... |
| 01:11.17 | enouf | basix: all i will say is the MBR... means Master Boot Record |
| 01:11.23 | stew | DanDare: yes, first etch was 4.0r0, then we got up to 4.0r4a, then etchnhalf (/msg dpkg etchnhalf) |
| 01:11.25 | enouf | IMHO |
| 01:11.25 | streuner | inc_: sound daemon of GNOME |
| 01:11.36 | robokop | CutMeOwnThroat: but i didn't alter my partition time for quite some time |
| 01:11.44 | basix | enouf, i know that. i tried pressing 1,2,3,4,f,a . it dint work |
| 01:11.55 | inc_ | http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alsamixercu1.png |
| 01:12.02 | inc_ | doh |
| 01:12.04 | enouf | basix: yeah. those are not key press choices |
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| 01:12.05 | inc_ | it is muted 1 sec |
| 01:12.14 | enouf | inc_: ofcourse |
| 01:12.22 | enouf | you should always check that |
| 01:12.24 | inc_ | what do i press to unmute ;p |
| 01:12.26 | Sling | i still have trouble with my rt2860 wifi interface |
| 01:12.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | robokop, hm... dunno.. some type of disk failure? |
| 01:12.28 | enouf | m |
| 01:12.31 | klivian | Speaking of sound, could anyone help me get it working on my new install of testing? I'm afraid I have no idea what's wrong... |
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| 01:12.35 | inc_ | uh |
| 01:12.37 | DanDare | If i install Etch from the first release (4.0r0) and make apt-get upgrade and install etch the last distribution the both system will be exactly the same ? |
| 01:12.39 | inc_ | 00 or MM |
| 01:12.45 | enouf | inc_: it's a toggle |
| 01:12.48 | enouf | MM == mnute |
| 01:12.56 | inc_ | ok nm it was unmuted |
| 01:13.01 | inc_ | that 00 is new |
| 01:13.05 | DanDare | my concerning is mainly about kernel versions, it may change the kernel among releases ? |
| 01:13.08 | enouf | yep\ |
| 01:13.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | robokop, that's what causes it right enough... now you just need to find out what "that" is |
| 01:13.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | robokop, actually - did you reboot recently? |
| 01:13.49 | streuner | inc_: well, thats a different chip |
| 01:13.50 | enouf | lsof | egrep 'esd|artsd' as root inc_ pastebin for others - i gotta eat ;-) |
| 01:13.55 | basix | enouf, what do i do then? |
| 01:13.58 | robokop | CutMeOwnThroat: about 2 days ago |
| 01:14.04 | abrotman | tubby needs more pizza! |
| 01:14.06 | enouf | basix: sorry - not sure offhand |
| 01:14.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | robokop, I think without altering the partition table, you can run into problems if the battery in your PC gets empty and the cmos gets erased (but why you were still able to reboot with that is beyond me) |
| 01:14.19 | enouf | basix: plus - i'm away now for a few |
| 01:14.23 | basix | enouf, not much on the internet too |
| 01:14.52 | streuner | inc_ has a sigmatel chipset and i have analog devices AD1986A |
| 01:14.56 | robokop | http://pastebin.com/f7f3e8da8 <= my partition table |
| 01:15.00 | DanDare | CutMeOwnThroat, i had partition overlap issues in the past and cant remember well but may have something to do with HDD BIOS settings ? |
| 01:15.10 | DanDare | like LBA settings |
| 01:15.10 | streuner | so forget 2.6.24 now |
| 01:15.11 | asg | DanDare: yes, if you do that you will end up with a 2.6.18 kernel. Etch, as of 4.0r4 inclues a 2.6.24 kernel but it will only be installed if you specifically install it. |
| 01:15.13 | inc_ | ugh |
| 01:15.17 | inc_ | im about to just reinstall |
| 01:15.28 | dvs | inc_: Just for sound? |
| 01:15.29 | abrotman | windows user! |
| 01:15.35 | dvs | abrotman: ;-) |
| 01:15.36 | inc_ | dvs: yes just for sound! |
| 01:16.06 | DanDare | asg, thanks, i never changed the kernel they say its not basic like i can do apt-upgrade on that |
| 01:16.27 | dvs | inc_: When I cannot get something to work, I come back the next day and I usually figure out what's wrong. |
| 01:16.41 | inc_ | ive been tryin for 2 weeks dvs |
| 01:16.47 | abrotman | did anyone find out if he's got esd or arts running ? |
| 01:16.49 | inc_ | whats a good graphical partition manager |
| 01:16.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | robokop, I had a bios once, which had a setting "LBA" that you could switch on for disks - without it, lilo would get the geometry wrong and refuse to boot... |
| 01:17.23 | asg | DanDare: if you stick with the stable distribution (currently etch) then kernel updates are only security patches that are minimal but don't affect the kernel ABI and will not affect existing software. You *should* install updates in the 2.6.18 series for etch. |
| 01:17.47 | inc_ | <3 fios |
| 01:17.54 | inc_ | downloaded fedora 9 in 3 minutes |
| 01:18.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | DanDare, oh... you already said LBA -only read the 1st sentence :) yes - that's what I also think |
| 01:18.02 | DanDare | asg, sorry but how to do it ? just a footprint that i can follow to start |
| 01:18.08 | streuner | inc_: notebook? |
| 01:18.18 | inc_ | nah its a sony vaio console |
| 01:18.34 | robokop | i deleted one partition with fdisk which had no data on it anymore and now cfdisk works again, i will try grub now |
| 01:18.36 | DanDare | CutMeOwnThroat, anyway good one more that thinks can be the case :p |
| 01:18.39 | asg | DanDare: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. As long as you have security sources in /etc/apt/sources.lst, that's all you need to do. |
| 01:18.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | robokop, the bad thing is of course, you can most probably only find out by rebooting - and then it might not reboot because you couldn't get your grub right |
| 01:18.45 | inc_ | i just wanna make sure all my shit is in /home |
| 01:18.54 | inc_ | but i cant remember how i partitioned it |
| 01:18.57 | asg | inc_: never shit in your /home |
| 01:18.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | DanDare, but IMO he shouldn't be able to boot with that at all :) |
| 01:19.01 | enouf | fdisk -l |
| 01:19.09 | streuner | inc_: so you can plug another soundcard into that box? |
| 01:19.11 | inc_ | asg: i keep all my shit on the desktop in folders |
| 01:19.12 | DanDare | ok asg, its what i have. but evertime i use it it says that will keep the old kernel image and will not upgrade |
| 01:19.18 | inc_ | streuner: its not the card |
| 01:19.23 | DanDare | CutMeOwnThroat, makes sense o.O |
| 01:19.34 | asg | inc_: definitely will give the random thief a turn, that's for sure |
| 01:19.34 | enouf | partimage -- cat /proc/partitions, but "blkid" is the schiznitz |
| 01:19.52 | inc_ | asg: huh |
| 01:20.06 | abrotman | asg: did i show you that story about a the crapping burglar? |
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| 01:20.29 | DanDare | CutMeOwnThroat, im not sure.. maybe it can boot but HDD gets messed after usage because the overlaping partitions... just a guess |
| 01:20.35 | basix | anybody have an idea why do i see a MBR 1234FA: using this USB? |
| 01:21.40 | DanDare | thnks asg im going to check what i have for kernel |
| 01:21.50 | robokop | after i deleted that partition it works again |
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| 01:22.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | DanDare, perhaps it mostly affects later partitions... but the linux installation is after his FAT partition... so it would affect running linux... well, who knows |
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| 01:23.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | robokop, check your bios settings anyways, when you reboot |
| 01:23.23 | robokop | CutMeOwnThroat: will do |
| 01:24.07 | DanDare | that´s strange for me, not that leet guy, but people says that linux throw away BIOS after booting the linux image, so, inside bash fdisk still acuses partition overlaps and things were guessing are BIOS settings :p |
| 01:24.42 | DanDare | or maybe i get it all wrong |
| 01:24.45 | DanDare | *got |
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| 01:24.50 | robokop | i will reboot now to check if it al works (praying it does) and report back here |
| 01:25.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | DanDare, linux looks stuff up in the kernel if there is no other, more reliable source available |
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| 01:26.06 | asg | abrotman: I read about it |
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| 01:26.35 | DanDare | i have 2.6.18-4-686 kernel and im using Etch, im up to date with it ? |
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| 01:26.57 | streuner | no |
| 01:27.23 | DanDare | streuner, but i did yet apt-get upgrade on the box, its not suposed to upgrade ? |
| 01:27.24 | streuner | !etchnhalf |
| 01:27.25 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf, or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 01:27.30 | asg | DanDare: no, 2.6.18-6-686 is the most recent one (uname -a should list 'Linux grep 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Mon Aug 18 08:42:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux') |
| 01:27.54 | DanDare | so i have or not have the most updated one ? |
| 01:27.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | DanDare, if you don't miss something dearly, you're up-to-date, however old the thing you are using is :) |
| 01:28.07 | DanDare | ok i got it |
| 01:28.27 | DanDare | but isnt Etch the stable Debian around ? |
| 01:28.28 | asg | and that's cuttin' yer own throat |
| 01:29.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | asg, exactly! Rat onna stick, btw? or meat pie floating in pea soup, perhaps? |
| 01:29.32 | asg | I'll take the meat pie |
| 01:29.42 | DanDare | man Etch is no more the last stable but etchnhalf |
| 01:29.50 | abrotman | no ... |
| 01:29.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | here you go, and that'll be $5.50 |
| 01:30.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | reaches it over to asg. Look at the color of that thingie... |
| 01:30.28 | DanDare | so i may face etchnhalf as a new distribution or just etch´s upgrade ? |
| 01:30.32 | asg | DanDare: etchnahalf was added in 4.0r4 to help with newer hardware that wasn't supported by the 2.6.18 kernel. If your hardware is fine with 2.6.18, then stick with it. |
| 01:30.53 | asg | CutMeOwnThroat: purplish yellow tubes, my fav! |
| 01:31.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | DanDare, if you don't miss anything, you should probably wait for lenny, else you're updating twice within a year (/msg dpkg lenny status) |
| 01:32.00 | DanDare | !etchnhalf facts |
| 01:32.00 | dpkg | well, etchnhalf facts is <etchnhalf>, <bnx2>, <alsa firmware>, <maestro3>, <cs46xx etch>, <bcm43xx>, <b43>, <b43legacy>, <b43-fwcutter>, <n2100>, <nv>, <iwlwifi>, <atl2>, <prism54>, <p54>, |
| 01:32.27 | DanDare | hmm i have nv |
| 01:32.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | DanDare, lenny was planned to become stable around now... so it can only be years from now on :-P |
| 01:33.03 | DanDare | im having some software issue that nobody have... im willing to upgrade to test if it will fix the damn thing |
| 01:33.16 | DanDare | ok CutMeOwnThroat, thanks |
| 01:33.23 | abrotman | DanDare: it's a completely optional upgrade |
| 01:33.36 | basix | MBR 1234FA: issue anybody? I'm really wanting to put Debian on this machine... |
| 01:34.00 | DanDare | ok thank you all guys |
| 01:34.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | basix, I think nobody understands what you mean |
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| 01:35.33 | basix | CutMeOwnThroat, i made a bootable USB stick using the debian installation notes. When i try to boot from the stick, I get a message MBR 1234FA: and it doesn't boot further. |
| 01:36.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | basix, ha, so indeed it would be more accurate to say you didn't make a bootable USB stick :-P |
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| 01:36.40 | basix | CutMeOwnThroat, it does "boot" per say but doesn't go any further. I try hitting 1,2,3,4, etc... but no go.. |
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| 01:37.11 | DanDare | damn sorry but someone know this, when i pick http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf link the page cames with my native language but i really want to read it in english and cant find a option |
| 01:37.31 | abrotman | DanDare: bottom of the page? |
| 01:37.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | basix, http://stezz.blogspot.com/2007/11/debian-etch-on-thinkpad-x31-via-usb.html |
| 01:37.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | basix, sounds a bit painful |
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| 01:38.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | DanDare, haha, yeah, internationalization is a bother |
| 01:38.26 | DanDare | omg sorry again abrotman i think im sleepy, will avoid making dumb questions sorry and thanks |
| 01:38.33 | DanDare | CutMeOwnThroat, it is !!!!! |
| 01:38.41 | heroxbd | Is there a command that modifies various fields in /etc/passwd? Should I have to edit it directly to change my real name in it? |
| 01:38.42 | clever | how would i go about forcing apt to download a certain package? |
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| 01:38.52 | clever | i dont want to 'install' it |
| 01:39.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | DanDare, at least for us anglophiles, who prefer a good english text to a bad translation :-P |
| 01:39.38 | streuner | clever: -s option for apt-get? |
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| 01:40.05 | streuner | clever: -s simulate and -d download only |
| 01:40.06 | clever | streuner: nope, xserver-xorg-core is already the newest version. |
| 01:40.06 | DanDare | CutMeOwnThroat, also and im used to read english regarding computer matter so not a good deal having it in another languages, and yeah translations usually leaves holes here and there |
| 01:40.20 | clever | streuner: its refusing to download because i allready have it installed |
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| 01:40.36 | streuner | hm |
| 01:40.38 | abrotman | clever: is it in your cache? |
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| 01:40.46 | basix | CutMeOwnThroat, no use. i tried that. i'm stuck |
| 01:40.55 | clever | abrotman: probly not, ive done a few apt-get clean's since the last install |
| 01:40.59 | n3kl | Is there something more standard than gpasswd? |
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| 01:42.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | clever, you should be able to do apt-get install package --reinstall |
| 01:42.32 | abrotman | clever: apt-get --reinstall --print-uris install packagefoo ... |
| 01:42.35 | clever | CutMeOwnThroat: that would trash the existing files |
| 01:42.45 | abrotman | or maybe apt-get --reinstall --download-only install packagefoo |
| 01:43.03 | clever | weird |
| 01:43.06 | clever | Need to get 0B/4076kB of archives. |
| 01:43.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | basix, but MBR 1234FA essentially means it works (as far as you start booting from the MBR) |
| 01:43.12 | clever | i think its allready in the cache |
| 01:43.19 | clever | now to figure out where the cache went |
| 01:43.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | basix, what does happen when you press 1 or 2 ? |
| 01:43.37 | basix | CutMeOwnThroat, it just stays where it is. Doesn't react at all. |
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| 01:43.47 | clever | found it |
| 01:43.58 | clever | /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg-core_2%3a1.4.1~git20080131-1ubuntu9.2_i386.deb |
| 01:44.51 | abrotman | gah .. ubuntu user |
| 01:45.00 | basix | CutMeOwnThroat, any help? |
| 01:45.08 | clever | yes i know ubuntu!=debian, but this was a generic apt problem:P |
| 01:45.12 | Lagbolt | aaahhhhhhh someone pass the buguntu spray |
| 01:45.22 | abrotman | clever: go away |
| 01:45.52 | clever | after i fix glx i will:P |
| 01:45.57 | abrotman | go away |
| 01:45.57 | Lagbolt | how come #ubuntu people cant answer it? if they cant maybe you should consider installing debian :) |
| 01:46.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, now we know why his nick is clever... he tricked us all :( |
| 01:46.20 | beeb22 | im using ubuntu and i asked a question here |
| 01:46.24 | beeb22 | boo yah |
| 01:46.28 | clever | Lagbolt: the channel is normaly too spammy for anybody to hear anybody |
| 01:46.40 | enouf | inc_: any love? |
| 01:46.42 | Lagbolt | beeb22, you are more clever than clever i guess :-p |
| 01:46.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | clever, so you want to spread the misery around |
| 01:46.49 | abrotman | clever: it doesn't matter .. go away .. this channel is not for Ubuntu support |
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| 01:47.07 | netdaemon | harsh harsh |
| 01:47.08 | Edgardoweb | el que quiera ver un documental hacerca de la internet lo pueden ver aqui http://edgardoweb.blogspot.com/2008/09/la-historia-del-internet.html :D |
| 01:47.12 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:47.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:47.19 | clever | abrotman: it wasnt a ubuntu related question, it was an apt one:P |
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| 01:47.28 | clever | and you gave a good answer |
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| 01:47.45 | abrotman | clever: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
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| 01:48.04 | Edgardoweb | a cerca * |
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| 01:48.11 | abrotman | clever: if you want support for Ubuntu ask #ubuntu, otherwise install Debian |
| 01:48.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders how many debian users stray to #ubuntu |
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| 01:48.54 | netdaemon | wonders why anyone would stray to #ubuntu |
| 01:49.01 | stew | please just drop it and move on |
| 01:49.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | moves on... and on... and on... |
| 01:49.34 | beeb22 | DISTRO HOLY WARS |
| 01:49.37 | beeb22 | AAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 01:49.47 | netdaemon | hey lets start an editor one too |
| 01:49.55 | lunk | vim owns. |
| 01:49.56 | beeb22 | EMACS FOR LYFE |
| 01:49.59 | DanDare | thinks its the time of the day |
| 01:50.01 | dudeman | stop war mongering! |
| 01:50.01 | binrapt | MSVC <3 |
| 01:50.02 | dudeman | ffs. |
| 01:50.02 | lunk | beeb22: to the death! |
| 01:50.08 | dudeman | make love, not war! |
| 01:50.09 | beeb22 | headbutts |
| 01:50.13 | lunk | rofl |
| 01:50.28 | netdaemon | was just kidding, but ok.... |
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| 01:50.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | vim only owns on gentoo :-P |
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| 01:51.03 | DanDare | you know what? i use just joe personal editor |
| 01:51.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | omg |
| 01:51.17 | binrapt | nano <3 |
| 01:51.19 | dudeman | I like jed becuase of the menu and emacs emulation :D |
| 01:51.23 | abrotman | really .. stop already |
| 01:51.35 | RaymondX | why the heck do i keep tinkering on the CLI i should be usingu |
| 01:51.47 | dudeman | and jed-extras has a really good phpmode for jed, which is what I need these days anyway |
| 01:52.10 | dudeman | still trying to figure out this jed scripting/macro language |
| 01:52.21 | lunk | man, it takes forever to upgrade etch to lenny |
| 01:52.27 | RaymondX | why the heck do i keep tinkering on the CLI i should be using ubuntu :P |
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| 01:52.32 | lunk | i have almost watched the entire matrix |
| 01:52.34 | dudeman | lunk, really it depends on the machien/connection |
| 01:52.55 | lunk | the download was only like 20 minutes, the install is forever |
| 01:53.09 | dudeman | what do you have? 200MHz P2? |
| 01:53.24 | netdaemon | was lenny released o_O |
| 01:53.27 | abrotman | no |
| 01:53.30 | lunk | dual p3-600, 384megs of ram, 8.4 gigawatts of disk space, fear me! |
| 01:53.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | lunk, watched the entire matrix series? I pity you... that must have been... harsh |
| 01:54.02 | lunk | CutMeOwnThroat: just the first movie, helicopter is about to go boom |
| 01:54.03 | jamesbrink | i setup regions on screen, but when i log back in and do a screen -x, i dont see them anymore, does anyone know how to switch back to the multi window view |
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| 01:54.09 | dudeman | hmm.. debian has cakephp packaged, but a very old version in lenny |
| 01:54.26 | n3kl | anyone know of a typing tutor on linux? |
| 01:54.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | lunk, hm check if DMA is enabled (hdparm /dev/hd*) - that would slow down things tremendously |
| 01:54.43 | lunk | n3kl: kde has one under edutainment, forget exact name of it |
| 01:54.52 | mhymn | ktouch |
| 01:54.57 | abrotman | n3kl: there's a game IIRC . tuxtype ? |
| 01:55.01 | abrotman | typespeed |
| 01:55.16 | lunk | w00t, it just finished, hdparm isn't installed yet |
| 01:55.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | lunk, ha, tough luck then |
| 01:55.39 | n3kl | abrotman: gui I take it? |
| 01:55.42 | RaymondX | n3kl: it saves you the trouble if you just look for flash app that does that |
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| 01:56.07 | n3kl | I used to have mavis bacon what whatever her name was, twas decent |
| 01:56.09 | abrotman | n3kl: typespeed isn't .. i dont think |
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| 01:56.23 | lunk | udma2, it's an old drive |
| 01:56.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | lunk, so you're probably in for some more Q:"but... what IS the matrix" A:"a crappy film" stuff |
| 01:57.08 | Wyzard | n3kl: beacon :-) |
| 01:59.23 | lunk | CutMeOwnThroat: hah, nah, i just rebooted and it looks like everything went smoothly |
| 01:59.40 | n3kl | wow I suckj |
| 01:59.49 | n3kl | abrotman: type speed is good, thanks |
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| 02:01.53 | netdaemon | does jfs support snapshotting? |
| 02:01.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, gtypist |
| 02:03.08 | dudeman | glxgears says 2020 frames in 5.0 seconds = 403.730 FPS |
| 02:03.10 | dudeman | is this bad? |
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| 02:03.25 | n3kl | Not good |
| 02:03.36 | n3kl | sounds like you need 3d rendering |
| 02:03.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | dudeman, yes /me shakes head .... just kidding - glxgears doesn't really tell you much |
| 02:03.41 | dudeman | ok, just wondering, I have no 3d support atm |
| 02:03.54 | dudeman | I'm using lennys' version of radeon driver |
| 02:03.57 | n3kl | dudeman: no horrible in that case |
| 02:04.00 | dudeman | for r500 |
| 02:04.24 | dudeman | I refuse to use fglrx! I think I might try to build from git again |
| 02:04.27 | n3kl | the only reason I use glx gears is to test weather or not glx is working |
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| 02:07.50 | manu_hack | just curious, any statistics like average preparation days needed for this page? http://www.debian.com/devel/wnpp/being_packaged |
| 02:08.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, and nlkt, btw - sounds suspiciously like your nick |
| 02:08.23 | basix | where do i find the debian sid netboot iso? |
| 02:09.04 | abrotman | doesn't exist |
| 02:09.12 | abrotman | manu_hack: none i've seen |
| 02:09.25 | abrotman | basix: you shouldn't be using sid |
| 02:09.35 | netdaemon | sid is for the brave! |
| 02:10.05 | basix | abrotman, i _need_ to use sid. i kept mini.iso in the USB disk and the installer says it didn't find a valid ISO |
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| 02:10.14 | abrotman | basix: why do you need to use sid? |
| 02:10.29 | basix | abrotman, my hardware is very new and only the sid kernel supports it |
| 02:10.34 | abrotman | that's a lie |
| 02:10.37 | basix | abrotman, 2.6.27 |
| 02:10.51 | netdaemon | 2.6.27 is in sid now? sweet |
| 02:11.05 | stew | basix: why not use testing instead? |
| 02:11.06 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 02:11.26 | abrotman | .27 isn't even releassed |
| 02:11.35 | Lagbolt | true true |
| 02:11.42 | basix | i think .27 rc is in sid |
| 02:11.46 | netdaemon | no its not |
| 02:11.46 | abrotman | basix: why do you need to use sid? |
| 02:11.48 | Lagbolt | no its not |
| 02:11.48 | stew | basix: it isn't |
| 02:11.50 | netdaemon | 2.6.26 is in side |
| 02:11.55 | basix | hmmm |
| 02:11.56 | netdaemon | s/side/sid/ |
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| 02:12.07 | Lagbolt | the source isnt even in sid |
| 02:12.20 | stew | basix: even if it was, that wouldn't be a good reason move the entire install to sid |
| 02:12.20 | basix | ok...suppose i use testing..how do i resize my partitions? |
| 02:12.44 | basix | stew, can i install only the sid kernel on testing? |
| 02:13.00 | stew | basix: yes, but testing and sid have the same kernel |
| 02:13.16 | Lagbolt | basix, if you want 27 kern you will have to compile it yourself |
| 02:13.24 | abrotman | there is no .27 |
| 02:13.56 | Lagbolt | abrotman, you can patch the 27rc and compile it :) if you really really want to |
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| 02:14.29 | stew | basix: what hardware do you have that isn't supported by 2.6.26? |
| 02:14.35 | Lagbolt | basix, what is this hardware you have that isnt supported |
| 02:14.40 | Lagbolt | stew, ah you beat me |
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| 02:23.49 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: and? |
| 02:25.26 | magyar | hi, i have an issue where maildroprc is ignored during a maildrop. Can anyone help? |
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| 02:28.13 | mathesis | package engage for e16? |
| 02:29.05 | abrotman | enlightenment ? |
| 02:29.17 | n3kl | magyar: have you read the manpage? |
| 02:29.50 | magyar | n3kl: yes |
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| 02:30.23 | n3kl | magyar: /usr/share/doc stuff? |
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| 02:31.46 | magyar | n3kl: yes |
| 02:32.30 | NeoIce | is there a way to do name-based virtual hosting similar to apache with SSH? |
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| 02:33.04 | abrotman | NeoIce: uhm .. why would you want to? |
| 02:33.22 | stew | NeoIce: you can't do name based virtual hosting with apache over ssl either |
| 02:33.45 | NeoIce | because I have 1 machine with 1 IP but multiple hosts on it |
| 02:33.48 | n3kl | magyar: well, i'm out =], sorry |
| 02:33.58 | NeoIce | and getting multiple IPs isnt really an option |
| 02:34.08 | stew | NeoIce: run ssh on multiple ports |
| 02:34.21 | NeoIce | so thats the only solution? |
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| 02:35.36 | n3kl | NeoIce: hosts.deny? |
| 02:35.54 | n3kl | iptables magic? |
| 02:35.56 | NeoIce | n3kl: how does that help me? |
| 02:36.11 | NeoIce | I bet iptables magic could do it... |
| 02:36.44 | stew | NeoIce: how would iptables know which host one is looking for? |
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| 02:37.22 | NeoIce | honestly, I havent read enough on iptables to know |
| 02:37.22 | n3kl | stew: I think he is looking for destination oriented, not request oriented |
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| 02:37.27 | stew | NeoIce: the ssl negotiation needs to happen before anything specific to the ssh protocol happens, which is why you can't do name virtual hosting with https also |
| 02:37.43 | stew | n3kl: what does that mean? |
| 02:38.21 | n3kl | maybe I don't know what he wants |
| 02:38.52 | Wyzard | Apache name-based virtual hosting works because HTTP 1.1 has a Host: header, by which the browser tells the server what domain name it's looking for |
| 02:39.06 | Wyzard | Without that, the server has no way of knowing |
| 02:39.11 | Wyzard | SSH doesn't have any such thing |
| 02:39.19 | NeoIce | I'd want userA to be able to ssh to userA.neoice.net:22 and hit "their" ssh server (running on a virtual machine) and userB to do the same |
| 02:39.34 | stew | and it can't work with https becuase by the time the server name is being sent, the ssl has already been negotiated |
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| 02:40.31 | stew | NeoIce: what hostname they are looking for is never sent, and if it was, it would be after a connection is already bulit to some ssh server, which means it is already too late |
| 02:41.59 | NeoIce | cool, thanks |
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| 02:45.21 | mohadib | is it possible based on device name to get the scsi host,channel,id,lun info? |
| 02:45.39 | mohadib | or based on uuid |
| 02:46.36 | basix | stew, Lagbolt, its a thinkpad t400 |
| 02:47.29 | stew | basix: what hardware does a t400 have that isn't supported in lenny? |
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| 02:49.19 | basix | stew, the wifi adapter |
| 02:49.28 | basix | stew, intel 5100 |
| 02:49.57 | basix | stew, is it possible to resize the partitions using a debian netboot cd? |
| 02:50.05 | amphi | basix: you can't build an out of tree driver against your current kernel? |
| 02:50.36 | WormFood | can anyone think of a better way to get the number of blocks on a blank DVD than what I do here? --> dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/dvd|grep "Free Blocks"|awk -F : '{print $2}'|sed 's/\*2KB//'|sed 's/ //g' |
| 02:50.48 | basix | amphi, im not sure that its backported to the earlier kernels. but 2.6.27 has out of the box support for it |
| 02:50.53 | netdaemon | is there a way to force a grub2 install during a lenny install? |
| 02:50.58 | netdaemon | it only gives me the option of lilo |
| 02:51.19 | basix | netdaemon, you need to have a ext3 parition |
| 02:51.22 | Wyzard | netdaemon: GRUB is the default |
| 02:51.38 | basix | netdaemon, did you select XFS? |
| 02:51.43 | netdaemon | basix, JFS |
| 02:51.47 | Wyzard | netdaemon: LILO is used only in cases where GRUB can't be |
| 02:51.52 | netdaemon | which has supported grub |
| 02:52.04 | netdaemon | grub2 is *supposed* to be able to read inside LVM volumes |
| 02:52.16 | netdaemon | and i'd like to try that functionality |
| 02:52.26 | netdaemon | hence, why i want to force it |
| 02:52.54 | stew | basix: i dont' konw |
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| 02:56.11 | basix | stew, never mind |
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| 02:56.51 | n3kl | WormFood: whats wrong with that? |
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| 02:57.12 | WormFood | nothing, it works, but I have a feeling there is a better way to do it |
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| 02:58.37 | WormFood | I was hoping someone would find some better way, so I could learn something new ;) |
| 02:58.48 | basix | stew, for the net install, is this the right ISO? http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
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| 02:59.23 | stew | basix: that's the businesscard, not the netinstall. the businesscard needs to be able to get onto the network to install, the netinst doesn't |
| 02:59.49 | basix | stew, so which one do i use? |
| 02:59.57 | stew | basix: any of them |
| 03:00.11 | stew | basix: you can use that one if you can get onto the internet with a stock debian kernel |
| 03:00.28 | basix | stew, i think i will. but in any case can you point me to the businesscard iso? |
| 03:00.59 | stew | basix: i believe the iso you pasted was the businesscard |
| 03:01.07 | stew | basix: it should be in the 30-50 mb range |
| 03:01.34 | basix | stew, oh i meant the netinst. the thing is that ubuntu live doesn't detect my ethernet adapter either so i want to have both ISOs handy |
| 03:01.36 | stew | basix: oh, no, i guess it isn't, its too small |
| 03:02.01 | stew | basix: http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer should have a link to the netinst |
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| 03:03.51 | basix | stew, i have a Core2Duo ( Centrino2 ), should i use ia64 or amd64? |
| 03:04.01 | stew | basix: amd64 or i386 |
| 03:04.01 | CompWizrd | amd64 |
| 03:04.07 | CompWizrd | ia64 is itanium |
| 03:04.27 | basix | oh ok. thanks! :) |
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| 03:05.43 | WormFood | why would you use amd64 for an intel cpu? |
| 03:05.46 | peteweez | You people are probably getting tired of me by now. I'm having issues getting proper drivers for all my hardware since I bought a very new laptop. I fixed the video card, and now I want to get the sound card (and eventually the wifi card working). ALSA appears to recognize my card but gives no output. Should I paste the relevant line of lspci? |
| 03:06.12 | Dogfood | pastebin.org |
| 03:06.21 | stew | WormFood: becuase his intel cpu implements the amd64 instruction set |
| 03:06.22 | pickcoder | WormFood: because the amd64 kernel supports em64t? |
| 03:06.23 | peteweez | Dogfood: me? |
| 03:06.30 | Dogfood | I mean pastebin.com |
| 03:06.38 | Dogfood | sorry |
| 03:06.51 | pickcoder | I have it running on a Xeon server.. |
| 03:06.52 | stew | WormFood: it supports amd64 and i386, ia64 is something completely different |
| 03:07.08 | WormFood | I wasn't aware that intel copied amd's instruction set....but after all, "intel" is less than 1/2 of "intelligence" |
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| 03:08.03 | netdaemon | hugs his q6600 |
| 03:08.09 | peteweez | Dogfood: http://rafb.net/p/Zdhqdm33.html |
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| 03:08.50 | basix | peteweez, which laptop do you own? |
| 03:09.46 | micols | i got 9GB png files i want to burn to dvds so i want to split up into 4.6GB tar archives, how do i do that with tar? all pngs are in . and end in .png |
| 03:11.47 | WormFood | micols, a DVD only holds 4.4 gig, so you'll have to make 3 DVDs |
| 03:12.29 | WormFood | micols, I suggest you make a new directory, and move the files into, then burn each directory |
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| 03:13.16 | WormFood | if for some reason you can't move the files, then make symlinks to them in a new directory, and burn that way....if you want some help determining the file size before you start to burn, let me know, and I can give you some command lines that will help |
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| 03:14.35 | WormFood | in fact, just yesterday I wrote a shell script that will get the size of the blank dvd in the drive, and calculate how much free space would be left if you burned a given directory |
| 03:14.36 | Raoni | split command ? :o if you want to just one archive |
| 03:15.38 | micols | WormFood: my dvds say 4.7GB, are the 300MB used for iso fs or udf? |
| 03:15.41 | WormFood | it would be silly to use tar...png are already compressed, so tar wouldn't really help much there, and would make the files hard to recover if the dvd is scratched in such a manner that it loses data |
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| 03:15.50 | micols | i thought that would be as little as 40-50MB |
| 03:16.14 | WormFood | what do you mean they say 4.7gb? the package says that, or the comptuer says that? |
| 03:16.14 | micols | WormFood: tar can be used for storage as well as compression |
| 03:16.14 | WormFood | I can assure you, it is not 4.7 gig |
| 03:16.21 | micols | the package says 4.7 yes |
| 03:16.23 | WormFood | it is a lie! just like they lie about hard drive sizes |
| 03:16.36 | Raoni | :D |
| 03:16.36 | peteweez | basix: sorry |
| 03:16.42 | peteweez | got distracted |
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| 03:16.51 | peteweez | Asus F8VA-B1 |
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| 03:17.08 | peteweez | should be an intel hda sound chip |
| 03:17.13 | WormFood | micols, use this command line, and it will tell you how many sectors on the dvd --> dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/dvd|grep "Free Blocks"|awk -F : '{print $2}'|sed 's/\*2KB//'|sed 's/ //g' |
| 03:17.17 | micols | WormFood: basically tar would be fine for this as it will autosplit , just cant remember the cmd, long time since i had tape streamers :) |
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| 03:17.47 | micols | and tar in store mode only, no compression of course. but just a note.. tar actually compresses my pngs by 50% :) |
| 03:18.03 | WormFood | then take the answer from that command line, and type --> echo $((<sector size from above output>*2048/1024/1024)) |
| 03:18.20 | WormFood | no, tar does not compress at all |
| 03:18.28 | micols | i might just be able to have all on one dvd if i am lucky :) |
| 03:18.31 | micols | gunzip does :) |
| 03:18.38 | micols | tar czf |
| 03:18.40 | WormFood | yes, but gunzip is not tar |
| 03:18.43 | wols_ | micols: you might be able to overburn a bit |
| 03:18.59 | WormFood | wols_, can DVDs be overburned? |
| 03:19.00 | wols_ | gunzip doesn't compress either. it UNcompresses :P |
| 03:19.10 | micols | bunzip2 it is, gunzip for uncompressing |
| 03:19.16 | wols_ | WormFood: should. they are not different that CDs, really |
| 03:19.30 | amphi | bunzip2 uncompresses ;) |
| 03:19.35 | WormFood | I suggest trying to overburn |
| 03:19.56 | WormFood | and how poorly are the pngs compressed if they can be compressed with bzip2 or gzip? |
| 03:19.57 | Tramp | they are. I googled once hours for dvd overburning, and the bottom-line is: it can't be done. If you have a different reference, please tell me. |
| 03:20.16 | WormFood | yeah, I was thinking DVDs can't be overburned |
| 03:20.32 | micols | WormFood: pngs are lossless, but 0 compression setting in xsane |
| 03:20.40 | Wyzard | WormFood: PNG compression is per-scanline, I believe |
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| 03:20.56 | WormFood | it is like the CD-R specs are half baked, and some burners allow for overburn, but the DVD specs are a little better |
| 03:20.58 | Wyzard | WormFood: so horizontal redundancy can be compressed, but not vertical |
| 03:21.15 | wols_ | micols: overburning is possible but not too many burners can |
| 03:21.28 | micols | i actually got 2000 pics i need to make convert work a little magic on, as theyre many different sizes and scanned 4 at a time :) |
| 03:21.47 | micols | need to make a script for each size hehe |
| 03:22.14 | micols | wols_: plextor px708a |
| 03:22.29 | wols_ | micols: you might be very lucky then |
| 03:22.32 | micols | and verbatim medias, the best there is |
| 03:23.01 | WormFood | I prefer 3m/imation over verbatim |
| 03:23.18 | micols | i prefer tapestreamers over dvd |
| 03:23.28 | micols | udf filesystem sucks and so does the iso fs limitations :) |
| 03:23.32 | netdaemon | runs a magnet over micols' tapes |
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| 03:23.42 | micols | dvds were never ment for backup |
| 03:24.01 | WormFood | right, DVDs are for storing data |
| 03:24.09 | WormFood | and storing data is not how to back up |
| 03:24.09 | micols | also dvds and cds last only 2-10 years some of them |
| 03:24.23 | WormFood | it depends on how they are stored |
| 03:24.26 | micols | i got some cds that degraded in 1-2 years, but also some which has lasted almost 20 years now :) |
| 03:24.45 | micols | oh.. 10 years even, the ones i burned. |
| 03:24.46 | WormFood | you were burning CDs in 1978? |
| 03:24.53 | peteweez | basix: you still there? |
| 03:25.01 | n3kl | WormFood: 88? |
| 03:25.07 | basix | peteweez, yeah. sorry was away |
| 03:25.09 | netdaemon | heh |
| 03:25.15 | peteweez | me too so np |
| 03:25.17 | micols | some look like new, some are degraded almost completely |
| 03:25.25 | micols | mr platinum are the good ones |
| 03:25.26 | WormFood | not burning DVDs in 1988 either |
| 03:25.32 | micols | they are as new still. |
| 03:25.37 | amphi | Wyzard: I don't think that can be quite correct about png compression; if that were so, a white image, and image consisting of a vertical gradient should compress equally, no? |
| 03:25.41 | basix | peteweez, any chance it came with a p8400 processor? |
| 03:25.44 | micols | and i burned them in 1997 or so |
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| 03:26.02 | Wyzard | amphi: Theoretically, yes |
| 03:26.41 | micols | i guess gimp batchprocessing will do this time, instead of convert :) |
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| 03:27.00 | maximi89 | Hola, Alguien de DebianChile? |
| 03:27.09 | amphi | Wyzard: I just tried here, using gimp, and the file sizes are different, 2.4KB & 234KB |
| 03:27.24 | peteweez | basix: yes sir |
| 03:27.35 | micols | gimps png size is weird, its twice that of convert's :) |
| 03:27.40 | basix | peteweez, we're screwed together :) |
| 03:27.44 | micols | even with convert set to lowest compression/no compression |
| 03:27.53 | peteweez | basix: haha so do you know what the problem is? |
| 03:28.02 | basix | peteweez, is your configuration similar to the thinkpad t400 by any chance? |
| 03:28.17 | amphi | micols: but presumably the gimp's method does not vary per image? ;) |
| 03:28.41 | Wyzard | amphi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Network_Graphics#Compression |
| 03:28.49 | peteweez | basix: what are the key points of that machine? |
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| 03:28.54 | peteweez | *key specs |
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| 03:29.41 | basix | peteweez, i'm looking at your machine's specs. except the ATI card I think i've the same machine. What Intel wifi / ethernet adapter do you have? |
| 03:29.46 | micols | then i suppose xsane doesnt use zlibs compression at 0 setting :) |
| 03:29.46 | Wyzard | amphi: looks like I may have been halfway right: filtering (to make the data more compressible) is per-line, but it sounds like the actual compression is done over the entire filtered image |
| 03:29.58 | micols | thats why i can zlib tar czf it reducing size by 50% |
| 03:30.06 | amphi | Wyzard: ah, thanks |
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| 03:30.36 | peteweez | basix: intel wifi link 5100 afaik |
| 03:30.44 | peteweez | which does not currently work in linux btw |
| 03:30.45 | basix | peteweez, oh man!! :( |
| 03:30.51 | peteweez | ethernet works though |
| 03:30.55 | peteweez | that's a realtek chip |
| 03:31.11 | basix | peteweez, no wifi will work with the 2.6.27 kernel. install it and check it out. |
| 03:31.16 | Wyzard | amphi: btw, there's a tool called "pngcrush" which recompresses PNG images to make them smaller (presumably by finding the optimal filter method for each line) |
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| 03:31.26 | peteweez | dns lookup is retardedly slow though...dunno if that's because of the driver or b/c I'm on a college campus |
| 03:31.29 | peteweez | ah |
| 03:31.36 | amphi | basix: intellinuxwireless.org would be the place to find info about a driver for that card, perhaps |
| 03:31.42 | peteweez | recompiling the kernel...what fun |
| 03:31.45 | basix | amphi, yes i know :) |
| 03:31.58 | basix | peteweez, no need. you can get the binary wait.. |
| 03:32.10 | amphi | Wyzard: thanks |
| 03:32.12 | basix | peteweez, hmm...i'm a little more screwed that you are. my ethernet adapter isn't working either. well i'm not on debian yet but i'll soon be :) |
| 03:32.17 | peteweez | at least I'll have significantly more CPU power this time (2.26 GHz x 2 cores vs 1.2 GHz x 1 core) |
| 03:32.36 | peteweez | so the wifi works if I upgrade the kernel? |
| 03:32.54 | basix | peteweez, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel here. |
| 03:33.10 | basix | peteweez, yes but only if you have the squeakest newest bleeding kernel :P |
| 03:33.41 | peteweez | basix: could I possibly have a peek at the output of lspci|grep -i eth on your machine? |
| 03:34.06 | basix | peteweez, i'm not on that machine right now. i'm using my old laptop :) |
| 03:34.09 | amphi | basix: 5100 is agn? |
| 03:34.14 | peteweez | amphi: yes |
| 03:34.21 | basix | peteweez, let me see what it says okay? |
| 03:34.29 | dustybin | what is a good way to back your system up? should i just .tar it up ? |
| 03:34.30 | peteweez | basix: OK |
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| 03:34.44 | peteweez | I'm curious as to whether or not we have the same ethernet chip |
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| 03:36.12 | basix | peteweez, nope i have the intel 82567lm chip |
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| 03:36.48 | peteweez | OK |
| 03:36.57 | peteweez | so that's why mine works and yours doesn't |
| 03:37.12 | peteweez | however, intel is -generally- pretty good about FOSS support, so just give it time. |
| 03:37.16 | basix | peteweez, yes...lucky you... |
| 03:37.20 | peteweez | lol |
| 03:37.40 | basix | peteweez, once i'm on the 2.6.27 kernel i'll be golden :D |
| 03:37.52 | peteweez | hey don't be talking...I had to install a proprietary video driver direct from ATi instead of using the deb package |
| 03:37.59 | peteweez | or did you have to do that also? |
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| 03:38.17 | peteweez | will the 2.6.27 kernel correct my sound also? |
| 03:38.30 | peteweez | that's probably more important than wifi at the moment |
| 03:38.48 | basix | peteweez, yes. try the latest and pray and hope you're good to go... |
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| 03:39.01 | peteweez | alright...thanks |
| 03:39.08 | peteweez | geeze I hate compiling kernels |
| 03:39.10 | stew | peteweez: what version of debian are you running? |
| 03:39.15 | peteweez | stew: lenny |
| 03:39.22 | stew | peteweez: /msg dpkg new alsa |
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| 03:40.23 | peteweez | stew: thanks |
| 03:40.29 | peteweez | that's still annoying |
| 03:40.39 | peteweez | but at least I know what to do |
| 03:41.26 | peteweez | stew: so are you saying that's why my sound isn't working? |
| 03:41.30 | basix | peteweez, what sound chip do u have |
| 03:41.33 | peteweez | because I haven't compiled new drivers |
| 03:41.50 | peteweez | Intel 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller |
| 03:41.52 | stew | peteweez: i'm saying that is how to get the lastest sound drivers installed without having to change kernels |
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| 03:41.54 | peteweez | as per lshw |
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| 03:41.56 | basix | peteweez, you need to have the drivers for your audio controller |
| 03:42.02 | peteweez | ah |
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| 03:42.34 | peteweez | why didn't snd_hda_intel do the trick? |
| 03:42.39 | basix | peteweez, crap! :( |
| 03:42.42 | peteweez | what |
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| 03:43.06 | basix | peteweez, i have the same chip :( |
| 03:43.23 | peteweez | and...does it work? |
| 03:44.16 | basix | peteweez, no...i'm yet to put debian. right now i'm resizing my partitions to make way for debian :P |
| 03:44.51 | peteweez | ah |
| 03:45.00 | peteweez | so you have winblows now? |
| 03:45.03 | dustybin | can a debian system be restored from a .tar ? |
| 03:45.28 | pickcoder | dustybin: if you know what you're doing, sure |
| 03:45.40 | dustybin | i dont know what im doing.. |
| 03:45.42 | pickcoder | though md RAID can be problematic |
| 03:45.53 | supermoi | hi everyone ! I modified /inittab, /gdm.conf and /gdm/defaults.conf |
| 03:45.54 | supermoi | to be able to use 12 TTY sessions. But i have a "problem", it's quiet long to log myself on the 12 sessions ! Do you know a tool or method to log all tty in one shot ? I already tryed screen and login -options ... |
| 03:46.05 | pickcoder | dustybin: you should be able to restore it from a live CD chroot |
| 03:46.10 | pickcoder | s/from/from within |
| 03:46.12 | basix | peteweez, it came with it. but i dont want to get rid of it completely just incase. |
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| 03:46.27 | peteweez | unfortunately, it's always good to have around |
| 03:46.36 | pickcoder | I've done similar restores from HD copies |
| 03:46.36 | peteweez | for no other reason than compatibility :-( |
| 03:46.40 | pickcoder | not from a .tar though |
| 03:46.46 | dustybin | ok |
| 03:47.10 | dustybin | i think the first .tar backup would need to be done when the system is offline |
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| 03:50.32 | peteweez | basix: did it come with Vista? |
| 03:50.41 | peteweez | if it did, use Vista's own partition editor |
| 03:50.43 | basix | peteweez, yup |
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| 03:50.54 | peteweez | I made the mistake of editing with a livecd |
| 03:51.07 | peteweez | next time vista booted it was all wtf where's my partition |
| 03:51.16 | peteweez | and I had to reinstall from the recovery disk |
| 03:51.32 | basix | peteweez, should've told me earlier. i'm an idiot more over gparted is a bigger idiot... :( |
| 03:51.49 | peteweez | can you restore the partition table to its prior state? |
| 03:51.56 | peteweez | sorry I didn't think of it earlier |
| 03:52.17 | basix | peteweez, i'm using gparted. i resized the darn partition and "fine tuned it". It recorded it as 3 partition changes :P and its gonna take helluva time |
| 03:52.28 | basix | peteweez, nah not your fault. you didnt know :P |
| 03:52.34 | peteweez | hmmm...hope you have a recovery disk. |
| 03:53.01 | basix | peteweez, unfortunately no. i was supposed to create recovery media by burning dvds! :) |
| 03:53.20 | peteweez | errrm...call the manufacturer? |
| 03:53.23 | amphi | just fdisk it all away ;) |
| 03:53.25 | basix | peteweez, thats how they cut the costs and i'm left in a lurch. anywho...who wants vista? :) |
| 03:53.40 | peteweez | haha amen vista really sucks |
| 03:53.42 | basix | peteweez, hmm yeah.. |
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| 03:53.47 | mohadib | nods |
| 03:53.58 | peteweez | but still...if you can restore the partition table, I would |
| 03:53.58 | reza | hi is debian running a realtime kernel? |
| 03:54.04 | stew | reza: no |
| 03:54.05 | basix | peteweez, it does but you need it for some "special softwares" hehe.. |
| 03:54.15 | peteweez | reza: it can, I think |
| 03:54.16 | basix | reza, go study what a RTOS is .. |
| 03:54.22 | peteweez | but not by default |
| 03:54.33 | peteweez | Linux does have a realtime extension iirc |
| 03:54.34 | stew | reza: if you want one you can build one on your own |
| 03:54.44 | basix | peteweez, RTL |
| 03:54.54 | basix | is a port not extension |
| 03:54.57 | reza | well i know that, but sorry i ment, does debian have a way of compiling RT kernels easily? |
| 03:55.01 | reza | i am running sid atm |
| 03:55.12 | stew | reza: /msg dpkg kp |
| 03:55.15 | peteweez | kpkg I think? |
| 03:55.20 | reza | yes i used to build them on my old dist |
| 03:55.30 | reza | make-kpkg |
| 03:55.39 | peteweez | yeah that's the way to go |
| 03:55.55 | reza | geez, but what i am wondering is that does debian have the realtime patches availbel |
| 03:56.03 | reza | or do i have to download them myself |
| 03:56.06 | peteweez | it should be a config option |
| 03:56.12 | peteweez | when you configure the kernel |
| 03:56.15 | stew | reza: you'd have to download them yourself |
| 03:56.18 | stew | peteweez: not without patching |
| 03:56.33 | peteweez | I thought it was in the kernel tree...huh. Shows what I know |
| 03:56.41 | reza | i wonder what version goes with what kernel |
| 03:56.50 | reza | i think 2.6.26.5 is the current ingo patch |
| 03:56.58 | micols | what kind of embedded system are you running |
| 03:57.00 | reza | which sucks since debian is running 2.6.26 |
| 03:57.22 | reza | peteweez: i thought so too |
| 03:57.26 | reza | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9566944929.html |
| 03:58.09 | reza | i dont know |
| 03:58.19 | reza | the article clearly says its in the kernel |
| 03:58.32 | peteweez | reza: one way to find out... |
| 03:58.35 | reza | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/ |
| 03:58.44 | peteweez | get kernel sources, then make menuconfig |
| 03:58.48 | reza | none of the rt patches work for the current sid version of the kernel |
| 03:58.55 | peteweez | see if it's an option |
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| 03:59.05 | reza | ok |
| 03:59.25 | peteweez | if you can't get the right kernel to patch, just get it from kernel.org |
| 03:59.42 | peteweez | I gotta go now...I need to go get my laundry before some a**hole decides to throw it out on the floor. I'll basix's idea for fixing alsa...and compile a kernel. Thanks basix and stew. |
| 03:59.52 | peteweez | *I'll try basix's idea |
| 04:00.00 | peteweez | and good luck reza |
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| 04:00.10 | reza | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.11 | basix | peteweez, no need to recompile the kernel.. |
| 04:00.15 | reza | sweet |
| 04:00.19 | peteweez | hrrmm? |
| 04:00.26 | reza | :D |
| 04:00.28 | reza | yay |
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| 04:00.35 | basix | peteweez, you'll get the official binary from the link i gave you |
| 04:00.39 | reza | lemme compile and check latency |
| 04:00.40 | basix | reza, not so true... |
| 04:00.42 | peteweez | but there is no binary afaik for 2.6.27 or whatever |
| 04:00.45 | reza | no? |
| 04:00.48 | peteweez | oh lemme see that |
| 04:00.59 | reza | (X) Preemptible Kernel (Low-Latency Desktop) |
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| 04:01.02 | reza | i have a option |
| 04:01.12 | reza | preemptible = realtime support no? |
| 04:01.15 | basix | reza, haha okay...that option :P |
| 04:01.31 | reza | basix: ? |
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| 04:01.48 | peteweez | basix: you mean http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel ? That is NOT the most current kernel |
| 04:01.52 | basix | reza, nothing...got confused with something else |
| 04:02.02 | basix | peteweez, yes i think it is.. |
| 04:02.22 | stew | basix: that is certainly not a place where one would get "the official binary" |
| 04:02.26 | peteweez | nope that's 2.6.26-4 |
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| 04:02.35 | reza | /bin/sh: line 0: [: -ge: unary operator expected |
| 04:02.38 | peteweez | you said to get 2.6.27 |
| 04:02.42 | reza | i get weird errors :( |
| 04:02.54 | reza | when running make-kpkg |
| 04:03.00 | peteweez | since I already have 2.6.26 and it def doesn't work with the sound card or wifi card or anything |
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| 04:03.04 | basix | stew, peteweez i thought those were the latest binaries |
| 04:03.15 | peteweez | latest debian binaries |
| 04:03.31 | peteweez | debian won't compile the absolute latest stuff until they have time to bugtest it |
| 04:03.58 | stew | peteweez: this is not true |
| 04:04.13 | peteweez | It's the latest binaries that debian has but not the latest binaries that upstream has, I think |
| 04:04.17 | peteweez | stew: ??? |
| 04:04.28 | reza | nothing to be done. |
| 04:04.30 | reza | i just get nothing to be done. |
| 04:04.46 | peteweez | means you haven't configged, I think |
| 04:04.49 | stew | peteweez: it is not true that debian "won't compile the absolute latest stuff until they have time to bugtest it" |
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| 04:04.59 | reza | i just did |
| 04:05.05 | peteweez | either that or it's done compiling |
| 04:05.10 | peteweez | I forget which |
| 04:05.14 | reza | have to save it as something special? |
| 04:05.21 | reza | its configured |
| 04:05.21 | peteweez | it may just mean make exited normally |
| 04:05.31 | stew | reza: you may be seeing #475036 |
| 04:05.34 | peteweez | how did you configure it? with make menuconfig? |
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| 04:05.38 | reza | make works |
| 04:05.40 | reza | ? |
| 04:05.51 | reza | oh #475036 |
| 04:05.56 | reza | (?) |
| 04:06.04 | reza | what? |
| 04:06.17 | peteweez | basix: the latest stable kernel release is 2.6.26.5 |
| 04:06.18 | reza | that a bugreport perhaps |
| 04:06.22 | reza | ? |
| 04:06.24 | reza | no its not |
| 04:06.32 | peteweez | then there are prepatches and snapshots |
| 04:06.38 | stew | reza: yes, it is. please don't hit enter so much. /msg dpkg bts |
| 04:06.48 | reza | ii linux-source-2.6.26 2.6.26-5 Linux kernel source for version 2.6.26 with Debian patc |
| 04:06.53 | peteweez | to get 2.6.27, you need to compile the prepatch |
| 04:06.59 | peteweez | I stand corrected |
| 04:07.12 | peteweez | but you still can't get 2.6.27 images |
| 04:07.14 | reza | 2.6.26-5 not .5 |
| 04:07.21 | basix | peteweez, whatever you said just bounced right off me |
| 04:07.37 | reza | i am paper you are glue |
| 04:07.39 | peteweez | errrm basically 2.6.27 is not yet production stable |
| 04:07.57 | peteweez | you can get it as a prerelease, if I understand correctly |
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| 04:08.59 | peteweez | But like I said, I will talk with you guys some other time and tackle this problem later...I really need to go before my clothes end up on the floor. :-P |
| 04:09.14 | peteweez | bye all |
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| 04:12.19 | stew | reza: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 04:33.05 | r-p | how do i let a normal user use nice() ? |
| 04:34.34 | r-p | should i perhaps create a nice group and chown nice:nice /usr/bin/nice |
| 04:35.08 | pickcoder | r-p: sudo? |
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| 04:35.50 | r-p | pickcoder: sudo nice -n 3 command runs command as root |
| 04:35.55 | Matson | cron jobs that are run as my user on my debian box that have text output are not resulting in emails to me... anyone else seen this? |
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| 04:36.26 | r-p | pickcoder: which is definitely not what i want |
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| 04:37.49 | stew | r-p: man limits.conf |
| 04:38.35 | stew | Matson: have you tried setting MAILTO? |
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| 04:40.01 | Matson | no |
| 04:40.05 | Matson | I'll try that |
| 04:40.17 | Matson | but according to the man page I chouldn't have to |
| 04:40.41 | stew | Matson: does "echo foo | mail username" get delivered correctly? |
| 04:40.43 | mohadib | anyone care to comment on my esata warm plug back up logic? http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/2674/ |
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| 04:42.04 | mohadib | this assumes they can plug in into any controller or have multiple devices plugged in, the uuid of the desired drives is recorded ahead of time |
| 04:42.17 | Matson | I go it |
| 04:42.19 | Matson | got it |
| 04:42.26 | Matson | .procmail works! |
| 04:42.37 | Matson | they ere being filtered into the "logs" mailbox |
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| 04:48.27 | PhrkOnLsh | I installed linux-patch-tuxonice via aptitude to try and get hibernate working on my laptop (Acpi et al supported) but I can't figure out if it patched the kernel or how to do it |
| 04:48.36 | PhrkOnLsh | anyone with a clue as to what I should do? |
| 04:49.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | mohadib, comment on it? You mean like... "gosh" "wow, are you a clever bugger" and the like? |
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| 04:49.42 | stew | PhrkOnLsh: look at the --add-patches option to make-kpkg (/msg dpkg kp) |
| 04:49.58 | PhrkOnLsh | ok, let's see |
| 04:50.04 | mohadib | CutMeOwnThroat: no, i was looking more for like, "X will fail" |
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| 04:51.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | mohadib, no, looks straight-forward enough |
| 04:51.09 | mohadib | aight, thanks |
| 04:51.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's essentially the same as plugging an usb stick in :) |
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| 04:51.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I've never heared anyone making a fuss about that :-P |
| 04:51.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, *slightly* different |
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| 04:53.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there's probably no need to sync when you wait for a proper umount to finish, anyways |
| 04:53.44 | Nazz | wakes up |
| 04:53.45 | Nazz | COFFEE |
| 04:53.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | mohadib, that's for having a backup? |
| 04:54.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | mohadib, if it is, have a look at rsnapshot for the "copy files" part |
| 04:55.01 | mohadib | CutMeOwnThroat: yep, we use usb for daily , but esata for weekly, the usb just took too long |
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| 04:55.17 | mohadib | its kind of a pain becuase i can seem to get hot pluggin esata working fully |
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| 04:55.30 | mohadib | so i have to echo stuff sys to get it done |
| 04:55.40 | mohadib | stuff to sys* |
| 04:55.47 | PhrkOnLsh | when I run make-kpkg clean it errs... this shouldn't happen, huh |
| 04:56.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | mohadib, specially have a look at rsnapshot, if you didn't use something similalar - the incremental snapshots could also save a lot of time, if writing is slow |
| 04:56.49 | mohadib | is similar to rsync's incremental? |
| 04:56.50 | PhrkOnLsh | stew: make-kpkg doesn't seem to have that option... :/ |
| 04:57.17 | stew | PhrkOnLsh: look for patches in the manpage |
| 04:57.52 | PhrkOnLsh | --added_patches foo? |
| 04:57.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | mohadib, up to a point (it probably uses that) - you keep several versions of your backup by making hard-links for identical files... |
| 04:58.02 | stew | PhrkOnLsh: yes |
| 04:58.40 | mohadib | CutMeOwnThroat: thats pretty neat |
| 04:58.49 | mohadib | i will check it out, thanks |
| 04:59.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | mohadib, so in essence you have on directory/day, but the additional space you use is only for the files that changed (and you can easily remove the oldest day after a time - the hardlinks in the other directories will preserve the file) |
| 04:59.19 | mohadib | ahh smooth |
| 04:59.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... until it's really vanished from all versions |
| 04:59.46 | adama_ | I swear by rsnapshot, I use it for all my systems |
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| 05:00.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | someone else in here used something that does pretty much the same, but what I never tried... now who was it.. |
| 05:00.08 | mohadib | sounds like a good plan for my weekly |
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| 05:00.18 | pickcoder | wish I could find a decent solution for 4-5GB of daily backups |
| 05:00.27 | mohadib | my daily is 2 files, each which change |
| 05:00.37 | mohadib | pickcoder: whats the problem with it |
| 05:00.40 | pickcoder | DSL rsync to my house is not fitting the bill |
| 05:00.41 | mohadib | thats pretty small |
| 05:00.45 | mohadib | ahh |
| 05:00.55 | pickcoder | it's fine as long as rsync or my connection doesn't poop |
| 05:00.57 | mohadib | esata drive that you take home |
| 05:01.05 | pickcoder | when I get 3 days of backups things tend to compound |
| 05:01.11 | pickcoder | and suck up lots of bandwidth |
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| 05:01.33 | pickcoder | I have a USB drive now, but I rarely have time to manually copy the stuff |
| 05:01.44 | pickcoder | too big for DVD now |
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| 05:01.54 | mohadib | get dual layer dvd |
| 05:01.59 | mohadib | though thats slower than usb or esata |
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| 05:02.26 | mohadib | esata would take you 5 minutes |
| 05:02.32 | PhrkOnLsh | stew: make-kpkg doesn't work for me... I have all my dependancies met, etc, but it errs: |
| 05:02.33 | mohadib | hardly a task |
| 05:02.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 05:02.37 | pickcoder | I may end up going to e-sata |
| 05:02.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | p$ grep rsnapshot FreeNode-#debian.log |wc -l |
| 05:02.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | 58 |
| 05:02.40 | PhrkOnLsh | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686/scripts/basic/Makefile'. Stop. |
| 05:02.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | out of 1278914 lines, though |
| 05:02.58 | stew | PhrkOnLsh: you cant build headers, you need source |
| 05:03.08 | PhrkOnLsh | ... I have. |
| 05:03.27 | PhrkOnLsh | oh I cd'd the wrong place, I think... :B |
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| 05:03.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | mohadib, ah, it was stew - he used dirvish which seems to do pretty much the same |
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| 05:06.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | mohadib, never used that, though, so I cannot say if there's any reason to prefer one over the other |
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| 05:09.18 | PhrkOnLsh | stew: Is it OK to just use the defaults in make-kpkg's configuration? |
| 05:09.26 | WormFood | why is pidgin in sid such and old version? |
| 05:10.14 | Amarande | Worm: is there anything significantly new in pidgin since then? hell, I used gaim 2.0.0b5 for the longest time without even wishing I was using pidgin |
| 05:10.24 | Amarande | and now that I'm using pidgin, it seems to be the same as gaim except with different icons *shrug* |
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| 05:11.03 | stew | PhrkOnLsh: you mean /etc/kernel-pkg.conf ? or what? |
| 05:11.48 | stew | WormFood: now would be a bad time to upload a new version of pidgin |
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| 05:11.55 | binrapt | I noticed something strange, /usr/lib/gcc contains i486-linux-gnu only, no x86_64, even though it's a 64 bit box |
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| 05:12.03 | binrapt | What is the meaning of this? |
| 05:12.06 | WormFood | why stew? |
| 05:12.18 | basix | stew, lenny doesn't detect my ethernet card so i cant do a net installation! Its an intel 82567LM gigabit ethernet adapter. please...someone help! |
| 05:12.18 | Amarande | binrapt, which debian dist did you install? |
| 05:12.19 | stew | WormFood: so there is a sane upgrade path to fix bugs in lenny |
| 05:12.21 | PhrkOnLsh | after I run make-kpkg --initrd --revision=2.6.26-10.00.Custom kernel_image it asks me a bunch of config questions with default answers |
| 05:12.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=496109 |
| 05:12.32 | binrapt | Amarande: I didn't, it's a dedicated server |
| 05:12.34 | WormFood | Amarande, yes, there is stuff of signifigance in new pidgin |
| 05:12.38 | binrapt | So they installed the wrong OS? Hahaha. |
| 05:12.39 | binrapt | Oh man. |
| 05:12.43 | PhrkOnLsh | shit, I just sent sigkill on accident. |
| 05:12.48 | stew | PhrkOnLsh: yes, you can take the defaults |
| 05:12.53 | Amarande | binrapt, maybe your host is that same company that one guy the other day was talking about |
| 05:12.55 | PhrkOnLsh | ok, thanks |
| 05:13.00 | Amarande | that company that thought that ssh was insecure but ftp was OK :) |
| 05:13.00 | binrapt | Amarande: Leaseweb. |
| 05:13.09 | stew | basix: what does "dpkg-architecture | head -1" return? |
| 05:13.11 | binrapt | Dirt cheap |
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| 05:13.39 | Amarande | Blessed Elua ... anyone can get an IT job these days apparently, if someone can get a job while believing that ssh is less secure than ftp :| |
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| 05:13.57 | Amarande | I think they must give out IT jobs as prizes in Cracker Jack boxes |
| 05:14.07 | basix | stew, ?? i dont have debian on the machine yet. i'm still struggling with it. i can now boot off the USB stick but i need to put debian on the machine inorder to download and compile the drivers.. |
| 05:14.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | binrapt, it's not unusual to run 32 bit systems on e.g. amd64... |
| 05:14.27 | basix | stew, but for that i need the network controller which isn't detected! ::( |
| 05:14.32 | binrapt | Isn't that silly, CutMeOwnThroat? |
| 05:14.41 | binrapt | I don't see the point really |
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| 05:14.54 | binrapt | The binaries may be a bit smaller but other than it's more expensive to run, no? |
| 05:15.08 | PhrkOnLsh | watches make-kpkg |
| 05:15.09 | WormFood | Amarande, didn't you know, ftp is the most secure protocol ever devised by man? |
| 05:15.11 | binrapt | And it prevents you from accessing all the 64 bit goods... |
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| 05:15.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amarande, haha... they're probably right - I mean, ssh encrypts stuff - instantaneouly making it suspicious for everyone and so they want to have a look - with ftp it's in plain sight and nobody bothers ;) |
| 05:16.08 | stew | basix: a netinst does not require a network to install, though you won't be able to do much with it after the install until you get the network working |
| 05:16.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | binrapt, not necessarily, the advantages of having a 64bit system are not so big (if you don't have a too big amount of ram for it etc.) - and some software still only exists in its 32bit version |
| 05:16.57 | binrapt | This isn't Windows, I can get 64 bit binaries for pretty much everything |
| 05:17.11 | basix | stew, i have the lenny DVD ISO. Once i've got a system I can install stuff off the ISO. Then compile the necessary ethernet drivers. |
| 05:17.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | like a flash plugin for firefox? |
| 05:17.20 | binrapt | This is a dedicated server o-O |
| 05:17.24 | WormFood | so, I'm a little confused....how would updating pidgin in sid break lenny? |
| 05:17.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I know... |
| 05:17.31 | binrapt | The only non-open source stuff I run is hmmm |
| 05:17.33 | binrapt | Valve binaries |
| 05:17.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 05:18.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just said that it's not necessarily "silly" |
| 05:18.12 | Amarande | Worm: Lenny is frozen |
| 05:18.16 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: although yes, a flash plugin for firefox is available in 64 bits, this really isn't relevant to what os to run on a dedicated server |
| 05:18.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps they had a silly reason to do so |
| 05:18.23 | Amarande | If there are bugs in lenny pidgin that still need fixing |
| 05:18.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, no |
| 05:18.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ! |
| 05:18.35 | Amarande | then upgrading the version on sid will make it difficult at best to use sid as a test bed to fix said bugs |
| 05:18.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, you're kiddin me! after only so few years? |
| 05:18.38 | Amarande | which is one of the purposes of sid |
| 05:20.01 | stew | binrapt: 64 bit software CAN be faster than 32 bit, bit it is often the same. it depends heavily on the actual software. if you are going to have 4GB of ram or more you probably want 64 bit. if you have less note that running applications in 64 bit requires more memory than 32 bit in general |
| 05:20.05 | Amarande | because, if you upgrade the sid version of pidgin while lenny's still needs fixing |
| 05:20.18 | binrapt | AHHH stew of course, that is the reason |
| 05:20.19 | Amarande | then, -even if sid's version became more stable and better fixed than lenny's- |
| 05:20.24 | Amarande | lenny's would still be stuck with the bugs |
| 05:20.24 | binrapt | They use minimal amounts of RAM |
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| 05:20.25 | binrapt | TO save money |
| 05:20.34 | Amarande | because you can't version upgrade stuff on a frozen dist |
| 05:20.36 | binrapt | And the 64-bit stuff would possibly suck up too much memory |
| 05:20.52 | binrapt | This box has only 512 MB RAM haha. |
| 05:20.54 | Amarande | as a result, instead of simply moving the fixes down into lenny, the fixes would have to be -backported to the lenny version- |
| 05:20.57 | Amarande | which takes ... time. |
| 05:22.19 | basix | suppose i've installed the 32bit version of _everything_ on my machine and i need to upgrade it to 64bit, what are my options? a fresh install would be in order? |
| 05:22.34 | binrapt | basix sounds like the best solution to me |
| 05:23.48 | binrapt | stew: Yeah I know that it doesn't make a difference in most applications but I do enjoy writing ASM occasionally and it saddens me when I can't use 8 byte registers and new SIMD instructions for number crunching and stuff because of things like this |
| 05:23.58 | binrapt | But overall it's probably better to have a 32-bit Linux in this case heh |
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| 05:24.09 | binrapt | I'll ask support for their reason anyways |
| 05:24.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | basix, yes, also think so 64bit is a different port... |
| 05:25.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | binrapt, I thought you can still kind of switch to 64bit any time? You just have to go back to 32bit if you want to use any libraries then? |
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| 05:25.36 | et | dpkg: tell WormFood about uupdate |
| 05:25.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | or are cpu security concepts preventing that |
| 05:26.09 | binrapt | I can? I have no idea how Linux deals with this stuff |
| 05:26.41 | binrapt | I have used 64-bit Linux only on 64-bit CPUs so far, this is my first mixed one |
| 05:26.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | et, now what's he supposed to do with that? |
| 05:28.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | binrapt, that's kind of how I imagine it to work - but I admit to cluelessnes - I know you can run a 64bit kernel on a 32bit userspace, because there is one in debian-ix86... so |
| 05:29.10 | binrapt | Linux intothevoid 2.6.18-6-k7 #1 SMP Tue Jun 17 22:06:22 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:29.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I also know/heared you can run 32bit programs on a 64bit machine - supposing you install all the libraries needed for those programs in their 32bit version |
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| 05:29.48 | remote | howdy |
| 05:30.14 | binrapt | I used to run 32-bit XP on a 64-bit CPU for a short while but that's about it haha never tried it with Linux |
| 05:30.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I would *think* you can use whatever 64bit features you like in assembler... just using runtime libraries wouldnt work |
| 05:30.42 | remote | i'm seeing weird processes taking 99% cpu |
| 05:30.42 | remote | root 1773 99.9 0.1 3388 1712 ? R Sep11 803:15 ?ii?��ÿ??�?޷I????����2޷? |
| 05:30.53 | binrapt | Wow remote, that looks bad |
| 05:30.54 | remote | apparently it's sshd: root 1773 99.9 0.1 3388 1712 ? R Sep11 803:15 ?ii?##ÿ??#?#I????####2#? |
| 05:30.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | hackers, hackers! |
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| 05:31.04 | binrapt | o__o |
| 05:31.06 | remote | what is wrong with it? |
| 05:31.10 | kgoetz | CutMeOwnThroat: crackers :) |
| 05:31.19 | kgoetz | remote: that looks nasty. |
| 05:31.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | kgoetz, cereals? peanuts? |
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| 05:31.24 | remote | nasty how? |
| 05:31.34 | binrapt | Uhm the process names for one? |
| 05:31.35 | remote | it's running SSH-2.0-SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.7p1 |
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| 05:32.37 | kgoetz | so its custom built? |
| 05:32.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | remote, but could indeed be a breaking - compiling your own ps and substiting the system one is an old trick... dunno how I would expect it to look if the guy messes it up, but... |
| 05:33.07 | remote | it's not a debian server, it's ubuntu |
| 05:33.13 | Amarande | As far as I know, the scoop on 64 bit and 32 bit is - |
| 05:33.23 | kgoetz | remote - ... then perhaps go and ask #ubuntu and #ubuntu-server |
| 05:33.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | and out/ |
| 05:33.26 | Amarande | a) you CAN run a full 32-bit OS on a 64-bit CPU, I've in fact always done that on my 64 bit AMD |
| 05:33.42 | kgoetz | !win Amarande |
| 05:33.42 | dpkg | Congratulations, Amarande! You have won the US presidency! |
| 05:33.47 | Amarande | b) you CAN run 32-bit userspace on a 64-bit kernel - *however* |
| 05:33.58 | Amarande | what you can't do, is try to run 32-bit kernel modules with a 64-bit kernel. that = fail |
| 05:34.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | kgoetz, ha, it's probably perfectly normal for ubuntu, and only astonishes us... (how should I know, I never ran ubuntu) |
| 05:34.07 | Amarande | and some proprietary drivers are still 32-bit |
| 05:34.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amarande, hehe, did you actually try c) ? :) |
| 05:35.08 | kgoetz | Amarande: on point be - debian sparc does that, by and large |
| 05:35.17 | kgoetz | s/be/b |
| 05:35.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | kgoetz, debian also does that, if the user wishes |
| 05:35.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | no need to go to a completely different platform for that |
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| 05:36.04 | kgoetz | CutMeOwnThroat: using compatability libraries, yes. |
| 05:36.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 05:36.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | kgoetz, no - there are 64bit kernels in the 32bit repository |
| 05:36.40 | kgoetz | wow. remote actually did go and ask ubuntu people :O good on him/her/it. |
| 05:36.43 | kgoetz | CutMeOwnThroat: o_0 |
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| 05:38.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | kgoetz, might be back if he doesn't get an answer, though |
| 05:38.36 | kgoetz | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, we will see. |
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| 05:39.14 | basix | stew, should i assign a bootable flag to the /boot partition? ( during partitioning? ) |
| 05:39.21 | et | CutMeOwnThroat: getting a pidgin 2.5 package? |
| 05:39.42 | stew | basix: grub ignores that flag |
| 05:39.50 | basix | stew, ok |
| 05:40.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | kgoetz, the weirdest thing in that regard was a guy asking about some (for me) obscure windows software, so he could download an upgrade for... fedora or something... what do people think? |
| 05:40.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | et, he was complaining about sid having a too-old version of pidgin |
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| 05:41.03 | et | CutMeOwnThroat: and with uupdate you can "fix" that |
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| 05:42.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | et, ha- I apologize and thank you for the clarification - my brain auto-edited uupdate to update instantaneously dismissing the 2nd u as a typo |
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| 05:43.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | damnit, the other nick "tired" I used to use already belongs to someone else here :( would be a good moment to switch |
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| 05:44.55 | aowkan | is lenny released yet? |
| 05:45.03 | stew | aowkan: /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 05:45.19 | BlackMagik | is there an apt source where i can find the latest lighttpd, i.e. 1.4.19? |
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| 05:45.39 | stew | BlackMagik: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 05:48.42 | basix | deleted vista off his laptop! :D |
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| 05:51.17 | BlackMagik | stew, thanks |
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| 06:00.12 | WormFood | where do I find information on compiling (and installing) source packages "the debian way"? |
| 06:00.45 | Maliuta | WormFood: www.debian.org |
| 06:00.48 | stew | WormFood: /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules ; /msg dpkg mg |
| 06:00.49 | kgoetz | maintainers guide? |
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| 06:01.11 | kgoetz | and /msg dpkg nmg |
| 06:01.12 | WormFood | thanks stew |
| 06:01.14 | stew | you can probably skip debian/rules |
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| 06:03.02 | basix | stew, how do install a debian desktop using just apt-get? apt-get install ?? |
| 06:04.06 | stew | basix: please ask everyone, not just me |
| 06:04.19 | stew | basix: do you know which desktop environment you want? |
| 06:05.20 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.21 | stew | err |
| 06:05.40 | basix | stew, gnome desktop |
| 06:06.12 | stew | basix: run "tasksel" and choose the desktop task, or aptitude install xorg gnome |
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| 06:08.58 | basix | stew, i've an issue with tasksel hence my question |
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| 06:13.06 | AstroBob | mornin! |
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| 06:13.46 | AstroBob | I have a LiveCD .iso on USB-Stick... is it possible to add the .iso to grub to boot ? |
| 06:14.12 | maligor | sort of |
| 06:14.27 | Lagbolt | you could download a debian live USB image :) |
| 06:14.30 | maligor | it just doesn't work :P |
| 06:14.42 | maligor | you can boot them tho |
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| 06:14.55 | Lagbolt | astraljava, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
| 06:15.38 | AstroBob | i've done that before, i want to do make a Linux From Scratch with the LiveCD |
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| 06:15.48 | Lagbolt | AstroBob, or you can just install debian to the usb key and put grub on it. i have done that as well |
| 06:15.58 | Lagbolt | ah |
| 06:16.45 | sattam | lagbolt: https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator |
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| 06:18.09 | kgoetz | AstroBob: why use debian to bootstrap LFS? i thought they provide a bootstraping cd |
| 06:18.53 | AstroBob | the thing is i cannot burn anything and have one 1GB USB-Stick |
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| 06:19.10 | AstroBob | and no partitions left on this machine |
| 06:19.43 | AstroBob | and cannot resize any either |
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| 06:19.55 | Deniska | hello there. does anyone has expirience with Megacli ? |
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| 06:31.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !anyone |
| 06:31.54 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 06:32.01 | extor | does the ssh protocol automaticall compress packets while it also encrypts them? |
| 06:32.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | extor, I think it's the default in Debian - it's configurable afaik |
| 06:32.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 06:32.41 | extor | does it compress by default. CutMeOwnThroat |
| 06:32.43 | extor | ? |
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| 06:33.33 | extor | reason I was asking is I needed to transfer a dd image of /dev/hda across the wire and it would be nice if ssh were already compressing it |
| 06:33.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | extor, man sshd_config ; search for Compression |
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| 06:34.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | extor, I think I might compress that before transmitting anyways - can be easily done by a pipe, depending on what you plan |
| 06:34.52 | WormFood | GOD DAMN IT! someone should tell dpkg about "build-dep" with the "source" entry....why the fuck was that left out? I'm sure people building from source would like to have that info |
| 06:34.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea how ssh compression actually performs |
| 06:35.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, go ahead... |
| 06:35.22 | extor | CutMeOwnThroat, the problem with gzipping is if it fails halfway through you are left with garbage at the other end as in a partial gzip |
| 06:35.35 | WormFood | it is there, but not clear on what it does |
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| 06:35.49 | extor | CutMeOwnThroat, 95% of the drive is empty so it should be compressing quite well |
| 06:35.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | extor, what do you really want to do? |
| 06:35.58 | extor | no special alorithm needed |
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| 06:36.13 | sleepster | anyone know how I can help debian? |
| 06:36.13 | extor | I want to basically dd a hard drive across the wire |
| 06:36.28 | extor | 160GB hard drive across the wire to an image file at my workstation |
| 06:36.37 | sleepster | extor: why? |
| 06:36.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I did that couple of years ago - it was slow, despite using gzip in between |
| 06:36.58 | extor | sleepster, I want to examine the image and mount the filesystem to see if I have been compromised |
| 06:37.06 | Deniska | well. my problem is - i have Intel(R) RAID Controller SRCSAS18E and 1 TB Sata HD connected to it. i can see HD in dmesg, and in Megacli output, but i can't access it, coz there is not /dev/sdX node |
| 06:37.20 | sleepster | extor: can you ghost it or something? ghost does well compressing the iamge |
| 06:37.22 | sleepster | so it is small |
| 06:37.36 | Deniska | i think i have to make some 'initialization' through Megacli, but don't understand how |
| 06:37.46 | extor | sleepster, I only have ssh access to the box...so I cannot ghost it |
| 06:38.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | extor, copying a rw mounted disk in use will be a bit problematic |
| 06:38.40 | sleepster | extor: hmm.. your options are greatly limited without physical access to the box |
| 06:38.45 | va | In my etch system, I don't have the manpages for any standard c functions, eg no malloc() manpage. How do i get them? |
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| 06:39.06 | linostar | Deniska, perhaps it is in /dev/hdX |
| 06:39.07 | sleepster | so debian doesn't actually need developers huh? |
| 06:39.07 | extor | I have no choice...I have to dd a rw mounted disk and there is no way around it. |
| 06:39.14 | Deniska | linostar: nope |
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| 06:40.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | extor, the default is "delayed" in the server (man sshd_config) and "no" in the client - so you can choose compression from the client and the server will go along |
| 06:40.44 | extor | uhmm wait dont the server and client both have to be configured for the same compression protocol? |
| 06:40.47 | linostar | Deniska, try to find the diff in /dev folder before and after connecting the HD |
| 06:40.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | sleepster, don't know |
| 06:41.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | va, use apt-file to search for the file /msg dpkg search and/or /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 06:42.01 | linostar | Deniska, if you don't find any new files being added, then perhaps you need a specific module for your controller |
| 06:42.12 | sleepster | I would like to help the project |
| 06:42.33 | sleepster | I've always been a big supporter of debian and criticized those fakers (ubuntu, mint,etc.) :) |
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| 06:42.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Deniska, the software raid device at least is /dev/md[0-9] - perhaps your hardware one also makes different device names? |
| 06:43.01 | Deniska | linostar: to this controller 6 sas disks allready connected. and raid5 built on its and i work with it normal |
| 06:43.09 | Amarande | Light, Ubuntu is especially irritating |
| 06:43.22 | Amarande | mainly because of the tendency of third parties to make their .deb support targeted at ubuntu rather than debian dists :| |
| 06:43.37 | Deniska | now i have connect another one disk, just sata for backups |
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| 06:45.20 | linostar | Deniska, then try a 'ls /dev | wc -l' with and without connecting the HD in question |
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| 06:45.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | sleepster, haha.... sometimes dpkg is..... |
| 06:45.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !helping |
| 06:45.59 | dpkg | Build a man a fire and he can keep himself warm for a day. Set fire to him and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. |
| 06:46.22 | Deniska | linostar : no difs |
| 06:46.52 | Guerin | !factinfo helping |
| 06:46.52 | dpkg | helping -- created by cafuego <~cafuego@macchiato.cc.com.au> at Fri Jan 14 05:33:19 2005 (1337 days); it has been requested 12 times, last by CutMeOwnThroat, 53s ago. |
| 06:47.03 | Guerin | wow, 1337 days |
| 06:47.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 06:47.15 | Deniska | linostar: this server on collocation. i have not phys access to it. so i think when techsupport connect new device they forgot to init it via raid bios |
| 06:47.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | gold mine... |
| 06:47.19 | Guerin | congratulations cafuego |
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| 06:48.08 | sleepster | how is debian's work on that separation kernel thing they are doing |
| 06:48.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it's good solid advice in principle |
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| 06:49.08 | Sebboh | hi. top reports 780mb of memory in use. None of my processes seem to be using that much (not the sum, either). How can I identify what is using memory? |
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| 06:49.48 | Amarande | Sebboh: linux is very aggressive about caching stuff in memory |
| 06:49.59 | Amarande | the rest is probably being used by the kernel |
| 06:50.00 | Guerin | memory use igures are mostly meaningless |
| 06:50.22 | Amarande | normally, the kernel will use quite a lot of otherwise free memory to cache stuff to improve performance |
| 06:50.25 | Guerin | linux caches everything - disk blocks mostly |
| 06:50.27 | Amarande | it will let go that memory if a process needs it |
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| 06:51.12 | Sebboh | Guerin, I'm interested in allocating a large chunk of ram to a virtual machine, I'm trying to calculate how much I can spare. Hmm, let me post this same query to #xen while I'm at it. :) Thanks Guerin, Amarande. |
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| 06:51.38 | WormFood | anyone have any idea why the gnome screen lock applet won't lock my screen? |
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| 06:52.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's sulking |
| 06:52.07 | Guerin | WormFood: because gnome is crap? |
| 06:52.13 | Guerin | that said |
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| 06:52.41 | Guerin | i haven't used anything other than evilwm for nearly three years, so ... |
| 06:52.48 | WormFood | Guerin, I guess you give that answer because you're gay, and don't know |
| 06:53.01 | WormFood | gnome is not a wm |
| 06:53.14 | Guerin | WormFood: nothing to do with me being gay, and I have used gnome |
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| 06:53.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sebboh, /msg dpkg free ram |
| 06:53.31 | Guerin | and it's a desktop enviroinment, I'm aware. That's part of what makes it crap. |
| 06:53.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sebboh, in short, use "free" |
| 06:53.53 | WormFood | go away Guerin |
| 06:54.05 | Guerin | WormFood: hey, you asked. |
| 06:54.10 | WormFood | you didn't answer |
| 06:54.18 | Guerin | i speculated |
| 06:54.19 | WormFood | you just said you're gay |
| 06:54.23 | WormFood | that isn't an answer |
| 06:54.28 | Guerin | no, you said I was gay |
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| 06:54.36 | WormFood | your answer said you're gay |
| 06:54.36 | Guerin | not that there's anything wrong with that, right?> |
| 06:54.50 | Guerin | anyway, so what if I were gay? |
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| 06:54.57 | va | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, it's in package manpages-dev |
| 06:55.02 | Guerin | the matter of gnome's crapness rests not on this point |
| 06:55.03 | sleepster | what's evilwm? I don't know what evilwm is so I guess I am straight |
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| 06:55.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, perhaps you want to discuss his sexual orientation elsewhere? |
| 06:55.17 | stew | WormFood: Guerin: if you guys want to talk about this can you do it elsewhere? |
| 06:55.25 | sleepster | I agree |
| 06:55.28 | WormFood | who said anything about sexual orientation? |
| 06:55.32 | Guerin | aww, I was trying to troll him into getting banned for being homophobic |
| 06:55.41 | NinjaMan | Does anyone know how to get aptitude to run over a remote SSH terminal? |
| 06:55.44 | WormFood | I said he was gay, not homosexual |
| 06:55.47 | sleepster | NinjaMan: ? |
| 06:55.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | sleepster, apt-cache show evilwm (a minimalistic and/or different windows manager, in short) |
| 06:56.01 | NinjaMan | sleepster - it hangs at the moment |
| 06:56.02 | sleepster | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks .. |
| 06:56.14 | sleepster | NinjaMan: what hangs? |
| 06:56.22 | stew | WormFood: please drop it. also please don't use the word 'gay' as a derrogatory adjective here, its offensive to some |
| 06:56.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | NinjaMan, er... does anyone not know? |
| 06:56.24 | sleepster | NinjaMan: you want to run apt remotely? |
| 06:56.24 | NinjaMan | aptitude |
| 06:56.26 | Sebboh | WormFood, so you don't need help from any of us, huh? :) |
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| 06:56.37 | WormFood | stew, I asked a legit question, and Guerin starting going on about other shit |
| 06:56.37 | sleepster | NinjaMan: just ssh into the box and run it as you would locally |
| 06:56.43 | stew | WormFood: move on |
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| 06:56.53 | sleepster | haha I like you guys |
| 06:56.56 | WormFood | anyone have any idea why the gnome screen lock applet won't lock my screen? |
| 06:56.56 | NinjaMan | yes so I log into my server using a remote ssh terminal. I then issue a "sudo aptitude" command |
| 06:57.10 | sleepster | NinjaMan: k.. and then what happens |
| 06:57.16 | NinjaMan | and it hangs, I have issue a ctrl+c to get the terminal back |
| 06:57.17 | sleepster | NinjaMan: what command do you execute? |
| 06:57.28 | NinjaMan | "sudo aptitude" |
| 06:57.31 | sleepster | NinjaMan: is it waiting for furthe input |
| 06:57.49 | Amarande | does your server recognize your terminal type correctly? |
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| 06:57.51 | sleepster | NinjaMan: it's going to hang |
| 06:57.55 | NinjaMan | no, it should go straight into the normal curses screen |
| 06:58.00 | Guerin | WormFood: let me explain. |
| 06:58.03 | Amarande | it could be that it's trying to display the screen in a format your terminal doesn't know? |
| 06:58.12 | Guerin | WormFood: Gnome is crap because, when something goes wrong (as it has in this case), you have no access to useful debugs or logging and then you have no option to ask in an irc channel. |
| 06:58.13 | NinjaMan | sleepster - why should it hang?? |
| 06:58.15 | sleepster | aptitude has a curses screen now? |
| 06:58.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, if you call it without options |
| 06:58.41 | NinjaMan | sleepster - ok maybe not curses - but whatever it is |
| 06:58.45 | WormFood | go fuck yourself Guerin, if you can't be helpful, then just shut the fuck up |
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| 06:59.00 | sleepster | move on guys |
| 06:59.00 | Amarande | yeah, aptitude without options brings up something that looks almost like ... dselect! |
| 06:59.02 | sleepster | seriously |
| 06:59.04 | stew | WormFood: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. please keep it constructive in the future |
| 06:59.07 | Amarande | if any of you remember that :) |
| 06:59.19 | sleepster | I always find flame wars on the internet funny |
| 06:59.21 | NinjaMan | exactly Amarande |
| 06:59.21 | Amarande | I remember the days when there was no such thing as tasksel, apt-get, or aptitude |
| 06:59.32 | Amarande | everything had to be done via dpkg and dselect :) |
| 06:59.55 | NinjaMan | yes aptitude with no options very much like a more advanced dselect |
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| 07:00.08 | Amarande | and it took 4 or 5 hours sometimes to decide on all the packages you wanted to install as your base system |
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| 07:00.22 | adama_ | WormFood you need a screensaver app installed and running to be able to lock the screen |
| 07:00.42 | NinjaMan | the point is that the interactive interface hangs when used through an ssh terminal |
| 07:00.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | NinjaMan, a) perhaps try using su , then start aptitude - that removes one layer of doubt b) really looks like your terminal is not recognized - using aptitude like you would apt-get (as in aptitude install thispackage) should work without problems, still |
| 07:01.09 | Sebboh | Amarande, I never use tasksel nor aptitude. Wouldn't live without apt-get though. :) When I have to use dpkg to do something, I'm annoyed. :) |
| 07:01.19 | NinjaMan | CutmeOwnThroat - I tried that - but no difference |
| 07:01.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | NinjaMan, if your terminal is a problem you can perhaps ssh into it with ssh -X, then start an xterm and start aptitude within it |
| 07:01.38 | sleepster | wasn't debian working on this huge change? I can't seem to find it at the web site... but I thought ti was like a separation kernel or something |
| 07:01.41 | sleepster | for their OS |
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| 07:01.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | NinjaMan, hm, and apt-get? |
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| 07:01.54 | NinjaMan | the strange thing is that it used to work until recently |
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| 07:02.13 | NinjaMan | apt-get works |
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| 07:02.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | NinjaMan, you could strace it :-/ |
| 07:02.34 | NinjaMan | no problem through ssh terminal |
| 07:02.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | NinjaMan, but you probably don't want to |
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| 07:02.52 | NinjaMan | well if you tell me how to do it and what I am looking for, I will give it a go |
| 07:03.01 | linostar | NinjaMan, what terminal do you use? |
| 07:03.29 | NinjaMan | but if it is a problem with the terminal being recognised, shouldn't it affect all usage of ssh termianl |
| 07:03.33 | NinjaMan | I am using a linux terminal |
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| 07:03.43 | sleepster | NinjaMan: which terminal? |
| 07:04.07 | NinjaMan | I am using secureCRT terminal software |
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| 07:04.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | NinjaMan, "strace -f -F aptitude <do whatever>" - will produce about 10000 lines of output - every system call aptitude makdes -as for what to look for - in your case, I'd just try to see what it does at the end, when it's in a loop or something |
| 07:04.30 | ganu | hello how to set the resolution for hp compaq laptop 6720s |
| 07:04.31 | NinjaMan | with "linux" terminal emulation with ANSI color |
| 07:04.53 | linostar | NinjaMan, it is highly probable that the cause is due to your terminal |
| 07:05.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | NinjaMan, $TERM is set to xterm? |
| 07:05.01 | NinjaMan | ok thx CutMeOwnThroat - I'll give it a bash |
| 07:05.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | NinjaMan, the problem is not running it, but finding anything useful in the load of info |
| 07:05.35 | NinjaMan | no when I do echo $TERM in the ssh terminal it shows "linux" |
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| 07:06.07 | NinjaMan | linostar - what other software uses a similar interactive interface as aptitude |
| 07:06.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | NinjaMan, I admit, I mostly use strace to look which files a program opens and if it doesn't find some... that lets you limit the output a bit |
| 07:06.18 | NinjaMan | so that I can test to see if the problem is software specific? |
| 07:06.38 | linostar | NinjaMan, mc |
| 07:06.43 | ganu | hello how to set the resolution for hp compaq laptop 6720s |
| 07:07.31 | NinjaMan | CMOT - the last thing strace show is trying to connect to /dev/gpmctl |
| 07:07.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, and wtf is that |
| 07:07.45 | NinjaMan | ok linostart - one moment, I'll give it a go |
| 07:07.47 | linostar | NinjaMan, try to execute aptitude after running 'screen' |
| 07:07.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | gpm is console mouse |
| 07:08.07 | NinjaMan | linostar - what is screen? |
| 07:08.34 | linostar | !tell NinjaMan about screen |
| 07:08.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | NinjaMan, apt-cache show screen (and/or man screen) |
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| 07:09.07 | NinjaMan | ok one moment I need to isntall screen and mc |
| 07:09.44 | Sebboh | screen is great! It's 2008, though.. It's time to upgrade the terminal emulator on that thing.. :( |
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| 07:09.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | NinjaMan, why don't you just start an xterm and run aptitude from there? |
| 07:09.56 | gynterk | hello, i have a problem |
| 07:10.15 | gynterk | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | NinjaMan, and /dev/gpmctl is the last thing strace shows you? it's not producing more and more output in a long loop? |
| 07:10.20 | NinjaMan | CMOT - I do that through VNC at the moment, but it is slower |
| 07:10.24 | gynterk | do I need to remake those symlinks? |
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| 07:10.55 | NinjaMan | CMOT - /dev/gpmctl is the last thing strace shows - after which it hangs and I have to use ctrl+c |
| 07:11.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | NinjaMan, btw, do you know you can most likely autocomplete my nick by typinc Cu[Tab]? :) |
| 07:11.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | NinjaMan, gpm is the console mouse service - look if that is running |
| 07:11.39 | Sebboh | CutMeOwnThroat, maybe he pays per byte. ;) |
| 07:11.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | NinjaMan, and possibly stop it |
| 07:11.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sebboh, bah, I'm worth it! |
| 07:12.10 | linostar | gynterk: rm /dev/dvd; ln -s /dev/hda /dev/dvd |
| 07:12.20 | gynterk | yeh |
| 07:12.41 | NinjaMan | CutMeOwnThroat: wow auto-complete in pidgin/irc -cool |
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| 07:13.35 | basix | i have an intel 4500MHD graphics card. how do i install the drivers? I'm looking at intel site and it offers a .exe for the linux drivers! |
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| 07:13.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | NinjaMan, what does ps aux |grep gpm say? |
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| 07:14.01 | NinjaMan | CutMeOwnThroat: gpm is running |
| 07:14.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | NinjaMan, kill it and try again |
| 07:14.10 | WormFood | I've activated my screen saver daemon, and I can see the screen saver (blank screen) when I test it, but the lock screen applet still will not lock the screen or activate the screen saver....anyone have any ideas? |
| 07:14.37 | NinjaMan | CutMeOwnThroat: /usr/sbin/gpm -m /dev/input/mice -t autops2 |
| 07:14.39 | Sebboh | Question: when I hit ctrl+q or whatever in terminal, that causes like.. xoff or.. 'stop', or whatever, right? What's the key to undo that? |
| 07:15.09 | WormFood | adama_, gnome-screensaver is already install (and has been for some time), so it can't be that |
| 07:15.13 | gynterk | hmm odd thing is, that I can't see open CD in audacions menu |
| 07:15.20 | stew | Sebboh: ctrl-s stops, ctrl-q restarts. you can disable this with "stty -ixon" in .bashrc or similar |
| 07:15.23 | gynterk | audacious* |
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| 07:15.34 | Sebboh | stew, thanks. :) |
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| 07:16.39 | NinjaMan | hmmmm - this is strange, it appears to be working now, even when I restart gpm |
| 07:16.39 | NinjaMan | mc works to |
| 07:16.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | NinjaMan, yes |
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| 07:17.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | gpm was kind of borked... and aptitude was waiting for it... forever |
| 07:17.23 | stew | gynterk: if you delete and recreate those symlinks yourself, its just going to get undone when you reboot (and udev makes them all anew). have a look at the '70-persistent-cd.rules' or similar in /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 07:17.50 | NinjaMan | CutMeOwnThroat: ok cool. I will see if I can re-create the problem, verify that restarting gpm always fixes it and then file a bug report |
| 07:18.14 | NinjaMan | thanks CutMeOwnThroat, Amarande & linostar |
| 07:18.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | NinjaMan, you will probably not |
| 07:19.04 | gynterk | the problem is that debian thinks that my USB modem (which has CDROM fs for setup files) is cd |
| 07:19.32 | NinjaMan | CutMeOwnThroat: lol, worth a try for the good of community :) |
| 07:19.46 | WormFood | now that is clever....a "modem" that acts like a cdrom drive |
| 07:19.55 | WormFood | can you burn CDs with your modem? |
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| 07:19.59 | gynterk | no |
| 07:20.01 | gynterk | for installation files |
| 07:20.07 | WormFood | I know, I'm joking |
| 07:20.08 | gynterk | a know FS to work on all os-s |
| 07:20.10 | gynterk | :P |
| 07:20.28 | WormFood | it makes it so you don't have to worry about not having the install CD |
| 07:20.38 | gynterk | yes |
| 07:21.08 | gynterk | its CDMA modem : |
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| 07:25.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | NinjaMan, what I meant was - gpm just had some weird kind of problem... possibly in connection with an update or whatnot - it's unlikely that it'll happen again |
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| 07:25.33 | NinjaMan | CutMeOwnThroat: oic |
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| 07:26.15 | gynterk | uhmh I can't see "Plugin Services" menu anymore in audacious.... |
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| 07:34.21 | gynterk | stew, but what I have to change there? |
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| 07:36.13 | basix | intel 4500MHD graphics drivers anyone? |
| 07:37.55 | lz | Hi, I have a problem, after updating my linux kernel to 2.6.26-1-amd64, my sound card(hda-intel ATI Azalia) needs to be configured with alsaconf after each system boot. Can anyone help me with this issue? |
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| 07:39.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
| 07:40.42 | heroxbd | Hello, recently our server dmesg gives these error: http://paste.debian.net/17054/ |
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| 07:41.15 | AbsintheSyringe | has anyone made compiz working on intel 965 both with video support? |
| 07:41.44 | heroxbd | I STFW and had no result. The kernel is 2.6.26-1-686 from sid. |
| 07:42.45 | gynterk | compiz-fusion or compiz? |
| 07:43.32 | gynterk | anyways, tested on my X3100, both worked fine |
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| 07:43.38 | TiMiDo | a |
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| 07:43.42 | gynterk | b |
| 07:43.45 | TiMiDo | lol |
| 07:43.46 | Sebboh | heroxbd, that mentions that sendmail is blocking for more than 120 seconds. Sounds like something to look into. You know what that means? ..The sendmail process has asked to do something like, read from disk (or maybe a socket, I'm not sure) and the result took more than 120 seconds to come back, so the kernel is like, what the hell? and complains. :) |
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| 07:44.43 | Sebboh | OR, the response did come, but sendmail has failed to do something it's supposed to.. Anyway, your problem seems to be sendmail specific, eh? |
| 07:45.17 | stew | heroxbd: is your machine entropy starved when this happens? |
| 07:45.25 | heroxbd | Sebboh: Really? I can see also trac.cgi goes wrong. |
| 07:45.53 | heroxbd | stew: How can I view my entropy? |
| 07:46.00 | stew | gynterk: if you were tempted to delete and remake symlinks in /dev, that is where you should be making changes instead |
| 07:46.17 | gynterk | yes, but is this file generated automatically each reboot? |
| 07:46.19 | gynterk | this rule file |
| 07:46.25 | gynterk | then it's pointless again thou... |
| 07:47.09 | heroxbd | It seems that syslogd has been restarted quite a lot of times. Lots of kernel threads also result in error. |
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| 07:47.14 | stew | gynterk: you mean you have changed it, and your changes are reverted? |
| 07:47.39 | stew | heroxbd: /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail ; but if exim isn't the only problem, its probably got nothing to do with entropy |
| 07:47.49 | gynterk | I'm asking, that do they revert after reboot? |
| 07:47.55 | gynterk | if I make changes in there |
| 07:47.57 | stew | gynterk: no |
| 07:48.29 | gynterk | so, basically i'll change 70-persistent-cd.rules and it'll work? okay |
| 07:48.55 | heroxbd | stew: It gives 3585. enough? |
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| 07:49.32 | heroxbd | Sebboh: Yeah. I guess it is not exim4 specific. |
| 07:49.34 | stew | heroxbd: that full, so no problem there. forget that. i thought it was just exim |
| 07:49.37 | AbsintheSyringe | gynterk, yea compiz fusion, I instealled it previously on my brand new thinkpad x300, video would just crash my x, now I thought I should try it again |
| 07:49.47 | AbsintheSyringe | so video playback works now? |
| 07:50.00 | gynterk | dunno, didn't test that :P |
| 07:50.08 | AbsintheSyringe | you know, for this same reason, 965 is blacklisted in compiz |
| 07:50.09 | AbsintheSyringe | ah :) |
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| 07:51.11 | Sebboh | heroxbd, sorry, I didn't notice the other things failing. google up memtest86. (Or appropriate memory tester for your architecture.) |
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| 07:51.56 | OxaD | hi |
| 07:52.31 | heroxbd | Sebboh: You mean it maybe caused by memory module faults? |
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| 07:55.20 | heroxbd | I'll go to the server and test it in front of it. Wish me luck, guys! |
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| 08:27.52 | visik7 | hi all |
| 08:28.11 | visik7 | is there a way to retrive all the packages explicit installed ? not the ones coming from dependancies or full-upgrades ? |
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| 08:32.17 | Lagbolt | visik7, um not sure i understand |
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| 08:32.45 | Lagbolt | for an upgrade? or are you trying to list packages minus their dependencies? |
| 08:32.51 | Lagbolt | like a family tree but only the top? |
| 08:33.02 | visik7 | all the packages specified via apt-get install <pack-name> or aptitude install <pack-name> or synaptic or gdebi |
| 08:33.07 | visik7 | explicit installed |
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| 08:34.24 | Lagbolt | still not sure what you mean. |
| 08:34.44 | Lagbolt | you just said the same thing |
| 08:34.51 | Lagbolt | how bout an example? |
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| 08:38.20 | dimir | He needs the names of the packages given to the package manager when installed. E. g. somebody installed foo with synaptic and it automatically installed xx yy zz, then somebody executed aptitude install bar and aa bb were automatically selected. |
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| 08:38.37 | dimir | Now the aa bb xx yy zz foo bar were installed in total. |
| 08:38.45 | dimir | But he needs to get foo and bar only. |
| 08:39.36 | dimir | At least it's how I parsed it. |
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| 08:41.43 | endstation | I dont think that information is stored somewhere, is it? |
| 08:41.58 | mhall | How can I change what types of stuff appear in the K Menu? Like if I wanted to enable or disable listing the recently executed applications for example. |
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| 08:43.50 | endstation | visik7: deborphan -a shows all packages no other packages depend on, mabe that helps |
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| 08:44.21 | visik7 | mmm not exactly anyway is not too important |
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| 08:48.06 | needhelp | hi i am trying to lilo a harddisk at /dev/hdc, in lilo.conf bios=0x80 ? or 0x81? how do i check in a command the geometry of the disks? |
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| 08:48.53 | TuxCrafter | hello everybody |
| 08:48.56 | wols | 0x80 is the first harddisk for BIOS, 0x81 is the 2nd, etc |
| 08:49.09 | TuxCrafter | how can i remove my usb drivers from the initrd |
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| 08:49.22 | TuxCrafter | so it gets loaded bye udev |
| 08:49.34 | TuxCrafter | instead of initrd |
| 08:49.48 | wols | TuxCrafter: why does initrd "load" your usb disks? |
| 08:49.57 | mhall | TuxCrafter: initrds are an archive file i think you can open them up |
| 08:49.59 | needhelp | wols: there's 2 disks in my computer now.. one /dev/sda another /dev/hdc |
| 08:49.59 | wols | what does it do exactly |
| 08:50.08 | mhall | TuxCrafter: maybe run file command on it and see whats inside |
| 08:50.08 | needhelp | so hdc is at 0x80? |
| 08:50.18 | wols | needhelp: then check what BIOS thinks is first. why lilo btw? |
| 08:50.27 | wols | needhelp: that depends on your BIOS config |
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| 08:51.02 | vindex | hi, how can save the terminal size in gnome? I see no such setting in the prefs.. |
| 08:51.07 | needhelp | i'm trying to clone my sda to hdc.. partitions and everything are copied fine |
| 08:51.18 | needhelp | just trying to make it bootable using lilo |
| 08:51.24 | needhelp | because the sda is using lilo too hehe |
| 08:51.28 | wols | TuxCrafter: all that initrd usually does is loading the usb mass storage kernel modules. and you need those or udev can't access the usb disks either |
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| 08:51.49 | wols | needhelp: that's no answer. why not grub? how old is that debian? |
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| 08:52.08 | needhelp | kernel is 2.6.18 |
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| 08:52.20 | wols | I did not ask for your kernel version |
| 08:52.43 | needhelp | Linux version 2.6.18 (root@chelsea) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Nov 7 12:11:48 SGT 2006 |
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| 08:53.22 | stanis_sh1 | hello, I cannot set up the pulseaudio sound server. I've set up it using apt, and now the applications can't connect to the pulseaudio: connection refused. how can I solve the problem? I have not found anything applicable in the google. :( |
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| 08:53.42 | stanis_sh1 | debian / lenny, kernel 2.26.1 |
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| 08:54.57 | pabix | Hello. I cannot use X-chat, it crashes as soon as the window starts to draw. And launching it in a terminal causes this error message: Pango-WARNING **: Error loading GPOS table 5503 |
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| 08:55.50 | TuxCrafter | mhall: i want to create a new initrd.img-2.6.25-2-686 without my ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd modules, to fix some enumeration errors on boot and let udev load the usb drivers |
| 08:56.12 | wols | !tell TuxCrafter about blacklist |
| 08:56.25 | wols | TuxCrafter: you want to use a current kernel too btw |
| 08:56.35 | TuxCrafter | i use debian sid... |
| 08:56.48 | TuxCrafter | the latest kernel does not work yet on my eeepc |
| 08:57.06 | vindex | how to remove the screen lock upon resume in gnome? |
| 08:57.17 | TuxCrafter | wols why do i want to blacklist my usb drivers?/ |
| 08:57.42 | TuxCrafter | that is not my intention i want to change the way it is loaded move it form initrd to udev |
| 08:57.42 | Lagbolt | wols, if the modules are in the initramfs blacklisting doesnt work |
| 08:58.07 | Lagbolt | we run into this problem with ssb when blacklisting broadcom modules |
| 08:58.08 | wols | Lagbolt: read the full factoid |
| 08:58.32 | mhall | TuxCrafter: yeah you can probably extract it and yank out those mods |
| 08:58.37 | Lagbolt | ah thanks wols :) |
| 08:58.39 | wols | TuxCrafter: cause if you don't blacklist them in initramfs it will be loaded. the end |
| 08:58.40 | mhall | TuxCrafter: i think it's just a tar or something |
| 08:59.12 | Lagbolt | excellent. i couldnt find that before. thanks! |
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| 09:00.17 | wols | TuxCrafter: thought about a custom kernel without initrd? |
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| 09:00.38 | TuxCrafter | wols o i want to use the mainstream stuff |
| 09:00.55 | TuxCrafter | there is a way to configure the initrd file i am searching for it |
| 09:01.00 | mhall | looks like the blacklist is supported if you do dpkg-reconfigure on the kernel afterward |
| 09:01.05 | Lagbolt | TuxCrafter, what eeepc? is it a 701? |
| 09:01.07 | TuxCrafter | you do it when you use raid to add the modluels |
| 09:01.18 | TuxCrafter | Lagbolt: yes the first 701 i love it |
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| 09:01.24 | wols | define "mainstream"? and as soon as you rewrite your initrd be it by blacklist or by going to the initds archive directly. there is nothing mainstream anymore there |
| 09:01.38 | Lagbolt | why not use the older kernel if you are having trouble with 26 |
| 09:02.01 | TuxCrafter | wols mainstream is nog compiling your own software and only using packages out of the offical debian repo's |
| 09:02.24 | TuxCrafter | tweaking the config files is supported in my definition of mainstream :-p |
| 09:02.57 | liable | you could blacklist the modules, rebuild the initrd, then unblacklist them again |
| 09:02.58 | wols | initrd is no config file. the only way it could all work is if you blackist the modules and load them manually via /etc/modules |
| 09:03.31 | wols | if that works, fine. if it doesn't you must self compile or manually tweak every single kernel you ever install |
| 09:04.08 | wols | and especially on a small 701 you'd _want_ a custom kernel. diskspace is scarce and all the useless modules debian kernels have compiled take room on your SSD |
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| 09:04.48 | dgodfather | fast small question, if i downloaded the nvidia driver version for linux from nvidia, can i install it? or must i first remove older drivers if exist? |
| 09:05.00 | dgodfather | and how do i find out if i have something to remove? |
| 09:05.10 | wols | dooglus: we do not support nvidia.com drivers |
| 09:05.18 | liable | isnt it mentioned in the readme? |
| 09:05.26 | wols | dgodfather: ask #nvidia |
| 09:05.46 | dgodfather | 10x |
| 09:06.03 | dgodfather | liable: well there is only a download script didn't find a readme |
| 09:06.18 | dgodfather | found |
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| 09:06.31 | wols | dgodfather: fyi those drivers will mess up your package system |
| 09:07.09 | Lagbolt | dgodfather, yeah nvidia.com drivers can make a bit of a mess |
| 09:07.22 | dgodfather | wols: you are saying i shouldn't do that?? :) |
| 09:07.41 | dgodfather | well i guess i can stay with what i have but in that case i have another ques |
| 09:07.56 | dgodfather | how do i make debian use all of my screen, full screen |
| 09:08.02 | Lagbolt | dgodfather, what do you have now? nvidia.com or nvidia the debian way? |
| 09:08.07 | dgodfather | i have a 1680x1050 supported screen |
| 09:08.10 | wols | dgodfather: what videocard and what driver do you use currently? |
| 09:08.27 | dgodfather | well, the video card is geforce 8800gt |
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| 09:08.44 | dgodfather | how do i find the driver type? |
| 09:09.00 | wols | dgodfather: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 09:09.08 | TuxCrafter | wols: found the info i was searching for -> man initramfs.conf |
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| 09:09.24 | TuxCrafter | now i only need to now what modules to load |
| 09:09.27 | dgodfather | wols: well it's empty |
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| 09:10.07 | dgodfather | wols: it returns and empty line |
| 09:10.10 | dgodfather | no result |
| 09:10.19 | wols | dgodfather: then you don't use nvidia drivers but open source nv or maybe even vesa |
| 09:10.35 | wols | dgodfather: you use etch? |
| 09:10.38 | dgodfather | wols: well what should i do? to get the best |
| 09:10.41 | dgodfather | yep it's etch |
| 09:10.49 | wols | !tell dgodfather about nvidia_lenny |
| 09:10.49 | dgodfather | to get the best of my hw |
| 09:10.50 | dgodfather | ? |
| 09:11.02 | dgodfather | he doesn't tell me |
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| 09:11.07 | dgodfather | :) |
| 09:11.16 | dgodfather | !tell nvidia_lenny |
| 09:11.24 | dgodfather | !tell nvidia |
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| 09:11.29 | wols | when etch came out the 8800gt diN't exist yet so etch has no direcft support for it |
| 09:11.31 | simonrvn | dgodfather: /msg the bot |
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| 09:11.52 | wols | dgodfather: stop that. dpkg already messaged you. if you want to read it again: /msg dpkg nvidia_lenny |
| 09:12.23 | wols | while the factoid talks of lenny it applies to etch too in your case |
| 09:12.44 | dgodfather | wols: well it sais that in lenny nvidia is a mess |
| 09:12.48 | dgodfather | but i am on tech |
| 09:12.49 | dgodfather | etch |
| 09:13.05 | wols | i just told you why |
| 09:13.29 | funk | can enyone help me with UnrealIRCd services? /msg funk |
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| 09:14.54 | dgodfather | well, i don't care about using the nvidia drivers in that case |
| 09:15.13 | dgodfather | but can anyone help fix debian to spread all over my screen |
| 09:15.35 | dgodfather | it's set to the correct resolution of 1680x1050 but doesn't take all screen |
| 09:15.44 | dgodfather | it has a gap on the sides |
| 09:15.46 | wols | either you use nvidia drivers or you live with the way it is. your choice |
| 09:16.06 | wols | nv doesn't like "non standard" resolutions |
| 09:16.18 | dgodfather | what do you mean? |
| 09:16.25 | Lagbolt | dgodfather, gap on the sides? CRT? LCD? |
| 09:16.31 | dgodfather | what's not standard about 1680x1050? |
| 09:16.34 | dgodfather | lcd |
| 09:16.35 | wols | I mean what I just said. I won't repeat myself all the time |
| 09:16.59 | dgodfather | wols: no need to be so angree |
| 09:17.08 | wols | no need to be dense |
| 09:17.21 | dgodfather | no need to be funny |
| 09:17.22 | Lagbolt | dgodfather, why not just follow the dircetions from nvidia_lenny and install the driver |
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| 09:17.38 | wols | Lagbolt: he thinks it's too complicated. he's angsty |
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| 09:18.27 | Lagbolt | ah well. |
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| 09:18.59 | dgodfather | Lagbolt: well don't beleive anything anyone tells you |
| 09:19.06 | dgodfather | that is not the reason |
| 09:19.29 | Lagbolt | dgodfather, why dont you want to follow those instructions? |
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| 09:19.32 | dgodfather | Lagbolt: it's because it sais it's a mess and i am not on lenny |
| 09:19.47 | Lagbolt | dgodfather, it is not only lenny, that works for etch as well |
| 09:19.50 | dgodfather | and i can't risk my pc now, it's my work and study station |
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| 09:20.14 | dgodfather | Lagbolt: thanks i will try that in that case |
| 09:20.37 | Lagbolt | dgodfather, it compiles the src against etch |
| 09:21.21 | enouf | dgodfather: i heard addinf Display Size in a section might help |
| 09:21.21 | dgodfather | Lagbolt: it does that automatically i guess? |
| 09:21.26 | enouf | adding* |
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| 09:21.41 | dudeman | what are you doing up at 5:21 am |
| 09:21.42 | enouf | but mybe that's only a dpi fix |
| 09:21.45 | dudeman | jeez |
| 09:21.48 | dgodfather | enouf: what is a section? |
| 09:21.49 | Lagbolt | dgodfather, yeah, thats what apt-get -b source does |
| 09:21.50 | dudeman | stop smoking crack |
| 09:21.53 | Lagbolt | builds the packages for you |
| 09:21.54 | enouf | dgodfather: i'm so aggravated from rebooting |
| 09:22.08 | enouf | dgodfather: one second |
| 09:22.23 | dgodfather | Lagbolt: thanks |
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| 09:22.56 | Lagbolt | dgodfather, you should be able to do each step one by one with no trouble. if you do have trouble then you can ask in here and people will be happy to assist |
| 09:22.57 | wols | enouf: I once tried to get nv on a gf2mx work with a 1440x900 display. wasted an afternoon without luck until I broke down and installed nvidia drivers... |
| 09:23.03 | enouf | dgodfather: under section Section "Monitor" |
| 09:23.12 | enouf | wols: aye - ok |
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| 09:23.35 | enouf | wols: btw, is your gf2 mx a 400? agp 4x? |
| 09:23.40 | wols | either thze monitor won't be used fully or you have a bigger virtual than phys screen. awful |
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| 09:23.58 | wols | it was a standard old 32MB gf2mx, no agp4x IIRC |
| 09:24.28 | TuxCrafter | cool initrd size is now 1.4 mb |
| 09:24.38 | wols | nv didn't work no matter how many chicken I sacrificed. installed the (legacy) nvidia drivery and nothing special needed. just "worked" |
| 09:24.40 | TuxCrafter | going to reboot to test it it looks ok so far |
| 09:24.45 | enouf | wols: ok, this ine here is as well, but it's a 4x card, afaik, however, in my p2 440bx chipset, it's only seen as 2x - AFAICT |
| 09:24.49 | TuxCrafter | brb (at least i hope so) |
| 09:24.51 | enouf | s/ine/one |
| 09:25.08 | dgodfather | Lagbolt: thanks man, not all people here are happy to halp but you are for sure |
| 09:25.09 | wols | enouf: and what driver and what res do you use? |
| 09:25.32 | dgodfather | thanks you for halping debian get some good recognition by new user trying to replace bad old habbits |
| 09:25.41 | enouf | wols: i found it in an old dell p4 box, i used to have the riva tnt2 32MB in here (also 2x agp) |
| 09:25.55 | wols | enouf: that's nice but doesn't answer my question... |
| 09:26.13 | enouf | wols: well, i broke down and am now using the nvidia driver - give me some time to type ffs |
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| 09:27.43 | enouf | i'm only using nvidia, b/c i thought it might help with dvd playback, xterm scrolling, and pdfs in general - all the times 1280x1024 on the 5:4 LCD |
| 09:27.53 | enouf | s/the/this |
| 09:27.58 | dgodfather | Lagbolt: it sais it can't find a source package for 4 when doing "apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4" as instructed |
| 09:28.26 | Ace2016_- | enouf: did it help? |
| 09:28.35 | enouf | not at all :-/ |
| 09:28.56 | wols | dgodfather: you didn't edit your sources.list as ordered. you need a SID deb-scr line for contrib and/or non-free |
| 09:29.41 | stanis_sh1 | the problem with pulseaudio becames more clear. I've got its log, here it is http://nav.academ.org/pulseaudiolog.txt |
| 09:29.51 | stanis_sh1 | but what should I do now? |
| 09:29.56 | dgodfather | wols: i did, and it works, the i removed the 4 and it found no dep i guess |
| 09:30.00 | dgodfather | no it's building |
| 09:30.49 | dgodfather | 10x all for now it seems to work, |
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| 09:31.17 | dgodfather | how do i make my system use the new driver instead of the one it uses now(sorry for the ignorence :)) |
| 09:31.46 | enouf | nvidia-xconfig is one way |
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| 09:32.01 | enouf | but you'll need to restart X at the least |
| 09:32.12 | dgodfather | enouf: thanks |
| 09:32.21 | TuxCrafter | that was a very very nice speed increase :-D |
| 09:32.28 | dgodfather | i saw something of going to non x mode (3 maybe) |
| 09:32.32 | wols | dgodfather: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:32.37 | TuxCrafter | loves tweaking initrd |
| 09:32.48 | TuxCrafter | no more enumeration erros |
| 09:32.51 | TuxCrafter | and faster boot |
| 09:32.56 | TuxCrafter | initrd is now 1.4 mb |
| 09:33.26 | wols | dgodfather: you're not done for a looong time time so don't worry about it yet. when you're done with all, do a "dpkg -l |grep nvidia" and pastebin us the output |
| 09:34.05 | dgodfather | wols: OK, thanks, appreciate it |
| 09:34.43 | NinjaMan | I am unable to route the UPnP/SSDP protocol using XORP? - anyone know how to do this? |
| 09:34.47 | TuxCrafter | wols: just so you know what i did because i got the feeling you did not fully understood what i wanted to do: edit /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf and then do update-initramfs -u -v -k 2.6.25-2-686 |
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| 09:35.11 | TuxCrafter | now the usb modules dont get included in initramfs |
| 09:35.14 | dgodfather | wols: you meant i am not done for a long time because of the compilation stage that takes long right? |
| 09:35.16 | TuxCrafter | but are loaded by udev |
| 09:35.21 | dgodfather | not something else i need to do |
| 09:35.59 | TuxCrafter | know we just have to fix udev to be faster with modules loading and listing |
| 09:36.08 | TuxCrafter | but i believe the fedora project was working on that |
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| 09:36.31 | wols | dgodfather: there are several compiles, not just one |
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| 09:37.34 | dgodfather | but the long phase you are talking about is the apt-get -b source... that needs to finish, there is nothing else for me todo exept what you mentioned before with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:37.35 | dgodfather | ? |
| 09:37.50 | dgodfather | wols: but the long phase you are talking about is the apt-get -b source... that needs to finish, there is nothing else for me todo exept what you mentioned before with dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 09:38.00 | wols | dgodfather: there is a lot to do. /msg dpkg nvidia_lenny_2 |
| 09:38.14 | dgodfather | oh i need to do both 1 and 2 |
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| 09:38.23 | NinjaMan | anyone successfully set-up multicast routing using XORP ... and routed UPnP/SSDP through it? |
| 09:38.24 | dgodfather | well OK i will come back later after finishing :) |
| 09:38.29 | dgodfather | thank you all |
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| 09:57.56 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 09:58.57 | gypsymauro | I know that there is a way to run gtk on framebuffer and that there is the possibility to have xorg on fbdev, someone knows how to achieve this? |
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| 10:09.24 | ganu | hello how to set the resolution for hp compaq laptop 6720s |
| 10:09.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | try going through `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg` |
| 10:10.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm. |
| 10:10.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg, drxx |
| 10:10.04 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 10:11.07 | ganu | the correct resolution for hp of model 6720s is 1280x800 |
| 10:12.14 | mbroeker | ganu, you can set a new resolution with xrandr -s "1280x800" on the fly (not permanent) if this mode is already present in your current xorg.conf |
| 10:13.37 | ganu | mbroeker, i set the resolution in xorg.conf , it is not taking |
| 10:14.07 | mbroeker | maybe you need a custom modeline |
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| 10:14.25 | ganu | mbroeker, i ran you command it is showing " size 1280x800 not found in available modes |
| 10:14.36 | mbroeker | gtf 1280 800 60 |
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| 10:15.14 | mbroeker | that command produces the proper values for xorg.conf, ganu ( resolution, 60 Hz for tfts) ganu |
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| 10:16.14 | ganu | mbroeker, one of my colleague is telling it work @ 600hz |
| 10:16.46 | enouf | amazing ; loading this image crashes my links2, no matter how many which ways i try, but konq came through :-{ http://www.texasonline.com/v3/emergency/maps/hurricaneEvacuation/Hurricane Evac-All Travel Map.jpg |
| 10:17.22 | mbroeker | ganu, your monitor works between 50-90 Hz, maybe 50-150 Hz ( CRT ) and 60-75 Hz ( TFT) but 600 Hz is a typo |
| 10:18.05 | ganu | mbroeker, what to edit in xorg.conf file |
| 10:18.11 | hifi | sorry to bug with this again, but aren't there any compatible hd-media kernel+initrd with the nightly testing iso image builds? |
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| 10:18.24 | mbroeker | ganu, you have a tft ? |
| 10:19.04 | ganu | mbroeker, tft? |
| 10:19.28 | ganu | mbroeker, tft not available |
| 10:19.49 | mbroeker | What kind of monitor do you have? A small flat TFT Display or a big-fat Catode Ray Tube ( CRT ) Monitor? |
| 10:20.36 | ganu | mbroeker, is a big flat hp compaq 6720s |
| 10:20.41 | wintix | hifi: there are. somewhere. it took me quite some time to get a working hd/usb install. |
| 10:20.52 | ganu | mbroeker, is a big flat hp compaq 6720s laptop |
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| 10:22.03 | hifi | wintix: trying to save a CD-R disc and a kitten |
| 10:22.29 | mbroeker | ganu, ah well a tft then |
| 10:22.37 | jerome | hmm, what would be the recommended way to only install runtime dependencies for a package ? |
| 10:22.40 | wintix | hifi: if you can install from cd, burn a netinstall and just be happy. |
| 10:23.14 | TuxCrafter | got go |
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| 10:23.19 | hifi | the boot.img.gz seems to have one integrated |
| 10:23.38 | hifi | uh, not |
| 10:23.40 | wintix | hifi: no, you have to have a iso floating around on some disk |
| 10:24.31 | ganu | mbroeker, now what i have to do |
| 10:24.36 | hifi | I also remember getting this to work in the past |
| 10:24.44 | hifi | just don't remember what files I used |
| 10:25.04 | wintix | hifi: zcat bootm.img.gz > /dev/usbstickfoo && mount /dev/usbstickfoo /mnt && cp debian-foo.iso /mnt && umount /mnt && boot from it |
| 10:25.35 | hifi | yeah, if I would have a compatible iso image :p |
| 10:25.48 | wintix | hifi: then get a newer boot.img.gz |
| 10:26.05 | mbroeker | ganu, http://rafb.net/p/4unNZY73.html |
| 10:26.40 | mbroeker | edit your current xorg.conf and insert the changes from that file in the particular sections in your config file. |
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| 10:27.34 | hifi | wintix: latest for lenny are from may |
| 10:27.44 | mbroeker | ganu, in section "Screen", add your "1280x800" mode and define that modeline in Section Monitor thats all |
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| 10:32.50 | NeoIce | what should I read if I'm interested in securing a true multi-user system? |
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| 10:35.21 | dustybin | what would you guys do if you lost your system disk? would you just re-install the debian OS onto a new disk, and replace all the configs from a backup? OR.. would you restore the whole OS from a backup? |
| 10:36.09 | hifi | I like to have a fresh start from time to time, I'd just copy the things from the old disk over time when I need them |
| 10:36.17 | hifi | uh, backup |
| 10:36.25 | NeoIce | I'd make a choice based on the age of the backup |
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| 10:36.34 | moshii | dustybin: I'd reinstall and copy /home back into place |
| 10:36.49 | dustybin | i think a re-install kind of cleans your system up of unwanted files |
| 10:36.59 | NeoIce | indeed |
| 10:37.04 | dustybin | the only real loss is config files (thats making sure you already backed up your databases) |
| 10:37.18 | NeoIce | even if you use purge, you can build up lots of random stuff |
| 10:37.20 | moshii | dustybin: you should be backing up /var ;) |
| 10:37.34 | dustybin | moshii: why is that? |
| 10:37.39 | lxsameer | how can i remove the affect of splashy after remove that? |
| 10:37.53 | moshii | dustybin: because that's where your data is going.. |
| 10:38.00 | dustybin | ok |
| 10:38.26 | moshii | variable data like databases live in /var, so you should be backing up |
| 10:38.48 | dustybin | im backing up my databases with the automysql script |
| 10:39.04 | moshii | dustybin: SQL dumps? |
| 10:39.13 | mbroeker | lxsameer, maybe you need to do update-initramfs -ck $(uname -r) to get rid of the current initramfs with splashy support |
| 10:39.17 | dustybin | http://sourceforge.net/projects/automysqlbackup |
| 10:39.21 | moshii | wishes people would keep binlogs |
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| 10:40.25 | ganu | mbroeker, how to get th vendor name |
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| 10:40.30 | ganu | mbroeker, how to get the vendor name |
| 10:40.57 | mbroeker | ganu, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does that for you |
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| 10:41.37 | lxsameer | mbroeker : i want to delete the affect not to install that |
| 10:41.41 | ganu | mbroeker, itself take or i have to write |
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| 10:42.13 | ganu | ganu, since i have ran that command , but there is no such line in my xorg file |
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| 10:43.01 | dustybin | im going to backup my whole system using this: |
| 10:43.02 | dustybin | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.16 | dustybin | ill use that backup to restore configs etc |
| 10:43.22 | mbroeker | lxsameer, sorry, my english is too bad to support you properly: create a new initramfs without splashy support and edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and remove the splashy keyword. That DISABLES splashy. I hope that's what you want. |
| 10:43.24 | dustybin | if my system did ever go down |
| 10:44.10 | lxsameer | mbroeker : thanks but i have grub2 |
| 10:46.35 | mbroeker | !dpkg, tell ganu about pastebin |
| 10:47.01 | mbroeker | ganu, paste your current xorg.conf to that site and we will see |
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| 10:47.44 | ganu | mbroeker, ok |
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| 10:48.26 | enouf | wow ; sheesh --> strace -ofile-here xlinks2 /tmp/HurricaneEvac-AllTravelMap.jpg |
| 10:48.26 | enouf | ERROR: out of memory (malloc returned NULL) |
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| 10:49.35 | enouf | wtf? it's an 8MB image at most - no issues opening other large images (that i recall) - and i've got the app set for 128MB cache now, and 64MB for images .. wtf? |
| 10:50.18 | mbroeker | enouf, are other apps able to open the image properly or is this a faked image? |
| 10:50.24 | enouf | anyone care to look at the strace? http://pastebin.ca/raw/1200929 |
| 10:50.37 | ganu | mbroeker, http://pastebin.com/m305857c |
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| 10:50.45 | enouf | mbroeker: yep, Konqueror opens and displays it fine |
| 10:51.18 | enouf | mbroeker: i on;y d/l it and tried, cause it kept crashing my links2, and it's doing the same, even when i d/l with wget and try |
| 10:51.29 | NeoIce | so is it possible to use a serial connection to manage machines from both sides? |
| 10:51.55 | enouf | file -i says image/jpeg |
| 10:52.12 | enouf | file alone says /tmp/HurricaneEvac-AllTravelMap.jpg: JPEG image data, JFIF standard 1.02 |
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| 10:52.31 | enouf | xxd shows it indeed has a JFIF header |
| 10:52.48 | ganu | mbroeker, have you gone through |
| 10:53.05 | mbroeker | ganu, yes. looks fine |
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| 10:53.29 | ganu | mbroeker, what i have to change know |
| 10:53.33 | enouf | mbroeker: a bit earlier i pasted the full url to image - though it's broken up at the end due to spaces in filenames, lmao |
| 10:53.48 | jelly | enouf: your strace shows pretty much nothing; the process forked itself to other pids |
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| 10:54.24 | jelly | enouf: is the file viewable with any other image viewing app? |
| 10:54.54 | mbroeker | ganu, you are using the vesa driver and i don't know whether this vesa driver supports your custom resolution. give it a try |
| 10:55.14 | hifi | wintix: actually the netboot kernel and initrd works fine as they install directly from the repositories |
| 10:55.45 | ganu | mbroeker, its vesa ., can you change the xorg & paste in the site |
| 10:55.55 | enouf | jelly: Yes, the embedded one konq uses (whartever that is) here - try this strace http://pastebin.ca/raw/1200935 |
| 10:56.24 | enouf | jelly: xterm kicks back now, two messages; |
| 10:56.26 | enouf | umovestr: Input/output error |
| 10:56.26 | enouf | ERROR: out of memory (malloc returned NULL) |
| 10:56.43 | enouf | (because i used links2 -g instead of xlink2) |
| 10:56.52 | enouf | ~$ strace -ofile-here links2 -g /tmp/HurricaneEvac-AllTravelMap.jpg |
| 10:57.11 | enouf | http://www.texasonline.com/v3/emergency/maps/hurricaneEvacuation/Hurricane Evac-All Travel Map.jpg |
| 10:57.21 | enouf | is the full URL to 7.x MB image |
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| 11:00.32 | jelly | enouf: well your app tried to allocate a lot of memory with anonymous mmap and failed |
| 11:00.36 | karma_ | Hello! Is there something like "dumb" network interface, which just sends incoming packet to /dev/null? |
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| 11:02.25 | mbroeker | ganu, http://rafb.net/p/msqTGN45.html |
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| 11:04.05 | jelly | enouf: the image size is 6150x9975 pixels, so it's not really unusual that a crappy app might have issues with it. |
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| 11:06.36 | jelly | enouf: works for me though. Looks like it allocates a couple hundred MB on i386 |
| 11:06.43 | jelly | enouf: 10709 jelly 20 0 430m 361m 2260 R 94 18.4 0:08 links2 -g Hurricane Evac-All T |
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| 11:07.41 | jelly | enouf: and after the image is shown, it cleans up: 10709 jelly 20 0 20764 11m 2276 S 0 0.6 0:09 links2 -g Hurricane Evac-All T |
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| 11:07.49 | jelly | enouf: file a bug report |
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| 11:08.20 | jelly | enouf: (I mean, if you think the temp. memory usage is unreasonable) |
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| 11:10.08 | mbroeker | jelly, my links2 crashes too with that image |
| 11:10.20 | jelly | shrugs |
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| 11:10.29 | themill | !win jelly |
| 11:10.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 11:10.37 | jelly | mbroeker: works fine here on a 2GB machine! Buy more RAM! |
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| 11:11.35 | mbroeker | the picture will be removed in the next 5 days... Shields up, we are safe. |
| 11:11.36 | jelly | ... or use a normal browser like firefox, which doesn't eat insane amounts of memory just to display an image |
| 11:12.13 | jelly | -> lunch |
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| 11:15.47 | mbroeker | ganu, did you proceed? |
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| 11:27.12 | ganu | mbroeker, still i am facing the problem |
| 11:27.17 | ganu | mbroeker, i added all your line but the screen resolution is not proper |
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| 11:28.01 | mbroeker | ganu, but the screenresolution itself is 1280x800 ? |
| 11:28.29 | mbroeker | if that's true, you need to find the proper values for your monitor for the refreshrate |
| 11:28.50 | mbroeker | 60 Hz, 61 Hz, 63 Hz or 64 Hz are possible |
| 11:29.11 | ganu | mbroeker, are you there |
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| 11:44.30 | GogoMyEggo | Hello |
| 11:44.35 | Lagbolt | hello |
| 11:44.44 | GogoMyEggo | someone know if there is a program to hear music online? |
| 11:44.47 | GogoMyEggo | such as in windows |
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| 11:45.27 | Lagbolt | um, more specific |
| 11:45.30 | Lagbolt | what music online |
| 11:45.42 | GogoMyEggo | style last fm or something like that |
| 11:45.53 | Lagbolt | or shoutcast? |
| 11:45.53 | GogoMyEggo | any radio online with popular songs |
| 11:45.57 | GogoMyEggo | yes, also |
| 11:46.09 | Lagbolt | audacious plays shoutcast |
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| 11:46.42 | GogoMyEggo | okay i go, thank you |
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| 11:47.50 | enouf | jelly: mbroeker my internet died temporarily - i'm back though - did either of you or anyone else comment? |
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| 11:48.26 | mbroeker | enouf, jelly has gone to lunch, the rest was calm and quiet. |
| 11:48.43 | enouf | mbroeker: aye, thanks for responding |
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| 11:49.41 | cusco | im trying to find the deb-installer nightly builds |
| 11:49.44 | enouf | mbroeker: that is one nasty image though .. it seems so far the only app that can open it here, is whatever Konq uses as it's "Embedded Viewer" (preview?) |
| 11:49.44 | cusco | where are they at? |
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| 11:50.40 | cusco | sorry |
| 11:50.41 | cusco | got it |
| 11:50.50 | mbroeker | enouf, i tried it with iceweasel and links2: links2 crashes with a malloc error, and iceweasel slows down my system. I killed to process... |
| 11:51.07 | mbroeker | s/to/the |
| 11:51.45 | enouf | mbroeker: before i even came here to talk about it, i tried opening it from within Konq (already viewed) , right clicking, selecting Open with -> links2 .. and WHAM, the HDD started thrashing wildly, .. i had to drop to console and kill -9 the sucker, i couldn't even get the window to come up in X to xkill it |
| 11:52.25 | enouf | mbroeker: then i looked at Free output, and noticed it had used 128MB of swap (when it was at like 0 prior) - hence all the HDD thrashing |
| 11:52.32 | mbroeker | enouf, maybe it is worth to look into the links2 code: maybe they use a fixed size input buffer |
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| 11:53.26 | enouf | mbroeker: sure - i was trying to a bit, but i'm not a programmer, but i can somewhat pick apart a strace - barely |
| 11:53.45 | enouf | mbroeker: but , did you say opening it in iceweasel starts bogging it down? |
| 11:53.51 | enouf | if so, that ain't right |
| 11:54.14 | mbroeker | enouf, nevermind, there must be something wrong with a malloc/realloc call/loop in links2 |
| 11:54.41 | enouf | mbroeker: can you think of any other 8MB + images i can try? |
| 11:55.48 | enouf | mbroeker: i've never had anything happen like that on links2 (crashing, fast and complete, like i [X]'d it out) .. all sorts of other things have occured, sure .. |
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| 11:56.24 | nagnag | possible to find old packages for lenny ? i'm missing nagios2 |
| 11:56.25 | mbroeker | no, the biggest pictures i have ever seen are those from my girlfriends digicam. She is not fat, really, but her damn digicam produces 2.4 MB Pictures ... |
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| 11:56.27 | doublehp | which software like rezound could let me troncate sound files and change their volume ? |
| 11:56.32 | abrotman | enouf: you can easily create one |
| 11:56.38 | enouf | mbroeker: but note, many other KDE apps also either, can't open it, or lock up the system trying |
| 11:56.49 | Trewas | that's almost 200MB image, no wonder it slows things down a bit (worked fine on firefox and gthumb though) |
| 11:56.59 | enouf | picture viewing apps, like Kuickshow and Kview |
| 11:57.02 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 11:57.07 | Agiofws | i have installed syntheyes in vista can i run it via wine or do i have to install it via wine in linux and then run again via wine ? this is what i am getting www.imagebin.org/26248 |
| 11:57.07 | Lagbolt | hi |
| 11:57.15 | Agiofws | enouf, like gqview |
| 11:57.29 | GogoMyEggo | im glad to see that last.fm does not plays reggaeton, haha |
| 11:57.43 | abrotman | Agiofws: i'd think that's more of a #winehq question |
| 11:58.11 | enouf | doublehp: i know the normalize pkg will normalize sound files |
| 11:58.41 | enouf | change? hrm, audacity? it depends |
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| 11:59.06 | doublehp | yes , audacity, just had forgot the name :) |
| 11:59.12 | enouf | Trewas: the image URL i posted is 200MB? |
| 11:59.53 | enouf | Trewas: i d/l'd it with wget and ended up at ~7.6 MB |
| 12:00.09 | Trewas | enouf: Hurricane Evac-All Travel Map.jpg is 6150x9975 pixels according to identify, which is about 200MB uncompressed (in 24bit color) |
| 12:00.14 | GogoMyEggo | im using amarok |
| 12:00.33 | enouf | Trewas: is that so? wow ... you know your images :-P .. |
| 12:00.37 | Sling | hmm if my sound works in sound preferences when i click test, but does not work in rythmbox/vlc, what could be wrong? |
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| 12:01.16 | enouf | i did finally allot 220MB per image cache in links2 (just because i saw that 185MB+ number in the strace) .. but still no go |
| 12:01.17 | Sling | oh wait a sec, i think i was testing with a stream that is streaming silence |
| 12:01.19 | Sling | sigh |
| 12:02.15 | enouf | Trewas: so - is this correct, it's so compressed that it can be d/l in 8MB or so, but to view it requires decompression and that's where the 200MB comes in? |
| 12:02.38 | doublehp | GogoMyEggo: no, i hate KDE now (used to love before). had audacity installed long time ago, just forgot the name. Now put it in a system menu, never loose again :) when you speak to "someone", plz, quote the pseudo (highlight). |
| 12:02.39 | doublehp | bye |
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| 12:03.11 | GogoMyEggo | wow |
| 12:03.17 | GogoMyEggo | it was angry? |
| 12:03.25 | enouf | steaming :-P |
| 12:03.35 | Trewas | enouf: yes, and you get uncompressed size from 6150*9975*3=184038750 bytes |
| 12:03.51 | enouf | Trewas: O_o |
| 12:04.02 | enouf | thanks - i learned something heh |
| 12:04.17 | Trewas | enouf: some programs meant for handling large images may do it in less space, but naive approach is to uncompress it all at once |
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| 12:04.46 | enouf | Trewas: gotcha - thanks again |
| 12:05.21 | enouf | now atleast i'm not thinking pure maliciousness on the part of whatever is in the image ;-) |
| 12:05.29 | enouf | +code |
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| 12:06.54 | jelly | a smarter person might have used a more appropriate format for what is basically a very flat image, like a 16 color gif or png |
| 12:07.00 | enouf | i guess Texas Dept of <whatever> requires everyone runs Blista - so they are sure they have atleast 2GB RAM installed :-P |
| 12:07.36 | dgodfather | wols: Hi, well it doesn't succeed in installing the nvidia-kernel-source, the build is failed |
| 12:08.34 | enouf | jelly: now you're talking - i was thinking - there must be a better way - however, i DID notice, when it's open, i can zoom in (change X resolution - ctrl-alt-+/-) and not lose much quality (which is not usualy for a ny JPEG i've seen) |
| 12:08.50 | enouf | s/a ny/any |
| 12:09.09 | dgodfather | wols: here is the log(not very useful) ->http://pastebin.com/m2a80eed |
| 12:09.27 | dgodfather | empty |
| 12:09.36 | enouf | and i mean - just so i can still read the print .. not like pure photo quality or anythign |
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| 12:10.25 | dgodfather | i am trying to build nvidia kernel driver for my geforce, following the nvidia_lenny_1/2 |
| 12:10.51 | dgodfather | the build fails in step, "m-a a-i nvidia |
| 12:10.53 | abrotman | but you have a bpo kernel |
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| 12:17.15 | wols | dgodfather: dpkg -l |grep nvidia dpkg -l |grep linux-header |
| 12:18.16 | wols | dgodfather: you will need the headers for the kernel you run |
| 12:18.37 | wols | which for a bpo kernel you might have to install manually. why do you run a bpo kernel? |
| 12:19.09 | dgodfather | wols: http://pastebin.com/m15edc813 |
| 12:19.36 | Run | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.46 | Run | wols: use ';' :p |
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| 12:19.52 | enouf | dgodfather: the wiki.debian.org shows you how you can break it down into 3 seaparate steps; get, build, install |
| 12:19.52 | dgodfather | wols: http://pastebin.com/m5747ac7b |
| 12:20.33 | dgodfather | enouf: but build doesn't work |
| 12:20.34 | Run | dgodfather: install nvidia-kernel-common |
| 12:20.49 | dgodfather | Run: i will try that now |
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| 12:21.26 | dgodfather | Run: can't see such package |
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| 12:21.40 | Run | dgodfather: install nvidia-settings too |
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| 12:21.42 | dgodfather | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common? |
| 12:21.46 | Run | Isn't this for Lenny? |
| 12:21.52 | enouf | dgodfather: i had issues too - but the mistakes were from my haste - follow wols' lead though - focus ;0 |
| 12:21.55 | Run | yes |
| 12:21.59 | dgodfather | Run: no, for etch |
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| 12:22.05 | dgodfather | i was told to do the same in etch |
| 12:22.08 | Run | Oh... |
| 12:22.10 | Run | nm |
| 12:22.13 | mbroeker | is there any approach to get a working, opensource 3D accelerated driver for the nvidia cards? |
| 12:22.37 | dgodfather | enouf: OK i will try that if you say that is what solved your issues |
| 12:22.41 | enouf | not really, that i know of mbroeker |
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| 12:22.51 | Run | mbroeker: The 'nv' driver of xorg ... but define "working" lol. |
| 12:23.10 | Run | Actually, does that 3D at all? |
| 12:23.12 | mbroeker | Run, but the nv driver provides 2d accel not 3d |
| 12:23.12 | et | nv is working, it's just not very accelerated. |
| 12:23.13 | enouf | nvidia has basically stated even somewhat recently "we don't give a shit about open source" :-P |
| 12:23.38 | enouf | no, nv does no 3d |
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| 12:24.13 | mhymn | !nouveau |
| 12:24.14 | dpkg | Nouveau : Open Source 3D acceleration for nVidia cards, http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/, or #nouveau @ irc.freenode.net |
| 12:24.24 | enouf | mbroeker: there's something newer called 'nouveau' - i think just a more newer/updated nv version? |
| 12:24.40 | mbroeker | i am checking the posted page above |
| 12:24.43 | enouf | guess not |
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| 12:25.30 | Run | dgodfather: Why are you using m-a for etch? |
| 12:25.47 | enouf | but hey, nvidia's crappy blobs don't even fix my issues, so ... i know anything else won't, but sure, i |
| 12:25.55 | dgodfather | Run: because dpkg said so |
| 12:25.57 | enouf | 'd support the FOSS one |
| 12:25.58 | dgodfather | i dont know |
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| 12:26.05 | Kovensky | enouf: it is the best xv renderer for nv19, at least |
| 12:26.09 | Kovensky | nv18* |
| 12:26.10 | Run | dgodfather: That would be very weird. |
| 12:26.26 | dgodfather | why, it's available for etch to |
| 12:26.26 | enouf | Kovensky: how's nv11 ? |
| 12:26.43 | Kovensky | enouf: no idea; but you should try |
| 12:26.56 | Kovensky | it treats nv10-nv19 as nv10, a single series |
| 12:27.09 | abrotman | Run: because he should be |
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| 12:27.13 | enouf | ok, cool |
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| 12:27.51 | Run | dgodfather, it says: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). |
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| 12:28.41 | abrotman | Run: he has a bpo kernel |
| 12:29.03 | Run | bpo = ? |
| 12:29.20 | abrotman | !tell Run about bpo |
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| 12:32.28 | Run | dgodfather: I had a script that could create a debian nvidia driver package for ANY kernel and ANY nvidia driver version.. unfortunately, it broke a while back due to changes somewhere in some package and since I really only interested in Lenny anyway and the m-a method works fine for the nvidia driver version "supported" currently by debian, I never fixed it. (In the beginning I needed bleeding edge beta drivers, hence that I wrote my script). |
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| 12:33.14 | Run | dgodfather: Anyway... you might try your luck with the script :p ... http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/nvidia.html (below 'OLD PAGE') |
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| 12:35.18 | Run | Actually, you should probably change things a bit here and there so it does NOT use unstable for sources, probably not even testing. |
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| 12:35.35 | Run | Thus, do not change your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:35.55 | abrotman | what's wrong with his current method? |
| 12:35.56 | Run | And then edit the script where is explicitely tries to use 'unstable'. |
| 12:36.03 | Run | It doesn't work? :) |
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| 12:36.27 | OpenTokix | how do you make a ulimit change persistant? |
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| 12:37.23 | abrotman | Run: he's nto even done |
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| 12:37.31 | OpenTokix | I have changed /etc/security/limits |
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| 12:48.01 | Run | dgodfather: Maybe your sources.list doesn't have non-free in it? |
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| 12:58.38 | Run | ... |
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| 13:00.36 | rush1 | Hello. How can I set up microphone in debian lenny? |
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| 13:00.59 | binrapt | Heh the Leaseweb customer service replied to my question. I was asking them why they run 32-bit Debian on 64-bit CPUs. |
| 13:01.13 | binrapt | "not all distro's have stable packages on 64 bit, so we install 32 bit as default. This will probably change soon, as most distro's and packages matured on the 64 bit platform by now. " |
| 13:01.15 | binrapt | Haha wtf. |
| 13:01.28 | petemc | whats wrong with that? |
| 13:01.46 | binrapt | Preventing me from making full use of the CPU? Duh |
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| 13:02.07 | binrapt | I want to use the new 8 byte registers and SIMD instructions etc |
| 13:02.08 | petemc | it does? |
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| 13:02.17 | abrotman | !pal binrapt |
| 13:02.17 | dpkg | points at binrapt and laughs |
| 13:02.33 | petemc | binrapt: guess what, they're right |
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| 13:03.00 | petemc | if they didnt do that then some other clown would be in here complaining they cant get X to work |
| 13:03.16 | wols | binrapt: what SIMD instruction set? |
| 13:03.25 | petemc | and if you can notice a difference in your cpu, id be very suprised |
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| 13:03.29 | binrapt | Eh? It's a dedicated server :p no X |
| 13:03.34 | wols | and often, 64bit code is slower than 32bit code |
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| 13:03.53 | petemc | binrapt: i meant X as in a placeholder, like foo |
| 13:04.04 | petemc | a bad choice, ill concede |
| 13:04.17 | abrotman | is holding out for Y |
| 13:04.23 | petemc | i need Z badly |
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| 13:05.08 | abrotman | Nytol will help you get your Zs |
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| 13:05.31 | petemc | drugs?! |
| 13:05.43 | petemc | perish the thought |
| 13:06.17 | jelly | yes, all thoughts perish when right drugs are used |
| 13:06.26 | petemc | :) |
| 13:06.30 | SerajewelKS | how can i execute a command when a hibernated system is booted? |
| 13:06.34 | binrapt | wols: For what reasons? |
| 13:06.45 | keith80403 | Anyone know what the keystroke is in Konqueror to return the font to normal, if you've used Ctrl- to shrink or Ctrl+ to enlarge it? Other browsers use Ctrl-0. |
| 13:06.46 | SerajewelKS | i've determined that a kernel module must be removed and re-inserted to function correctly |
| 13:07.29 | wols | binrapt: 64bit code is bigger |
| 13:07.33 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i thought the normal process was to remove the module when going to hibernation and remodprobe it when coming out .. |
| 13:07.44 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: using the scripts for hibernation/sleep/acpi ? |
| 13:07.45 | wols | that means it needs to access RAM more and cache is used up earlier |
| 13:07.58 | wols | binrapt: I ask again, what SIMD instructions? |
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| 13:08.16 | binrapt | True enough, wols, but if you really do some number crunching you will get quite a speedup |
| 13:08.23 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: right, i'm not sure where those scripts are and google is less than helpful on this subject |
| 13:08.43 | wols | depends on the alogirithm. so what SIMD instructions? |
| 13:08.58 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it's been suggested that this can be done with XML quirk maps, but i've yet to figure out the format of those files... don't see much about modules in there anyway |
| 13:09.21 | abrotman | /etc/acpi/ ? |
| 13:09.31 | abrotman | binrapt: are you doing number crunching? |
| 13:09.53 | abrotman | cause .. most people use a cluster for that .. not a hosted server |
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| 13:11.11 | ehtom | what's the legal stance on distributing gpl programs on a cddl kernel? |
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| 13:11.35 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yeah can't see much in there either, at least not anything immediately decodable |
| 13:12.09 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: or were you thinking of suspend.d and resume.d? |
| 13:12.38 | abrotman | uhm .. i think so .. i don't suspend my laptop |
| 13:13.05 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: oh well you must be superior then :) |
| 13:13.12 | SerajewelKS | ducks |
| 13:13.28 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: no .. i just shut it down |
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| 13:13.59 | SerajewelKS | *plonk* |
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| 13:14.14 | SFH|Corefreak | hi |
| 13:14.25 | SFH|Corefreak | kennt sich jemand hier mit fail2ban aus?? |
| 13:14.34 | abrotman | !de |
| 13:14.35 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
| 13:14.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | !de |
| 13:14.39 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: plonk me? |
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| 13:15.27 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: not sure if you didn't get my sarcasm or were just ignoring it |
| 13:15.37 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: nope .. over my head :) |
| 13:15.42 | SerajewelKS | heh |
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| 13:15.53 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it's early here .. long day yesterday .. sorry |
| 13:15.59 | abrotman | and web ftp clients suck |
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| 13:16.24 | themill | SerajewelKS: abrotman's USian. He doesn't get sarcasm. |
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| 13:16.35 | abrotman | thinks that was sarcasm |
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| 13:17.57 | SerajewelKS | themill: so am i? |
| 13:18.08 | SerajewelKS | hmms |
| 13:18.19 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: all ftp clients suck because ftp sucks |
| 13:18.21 | themill | SerajewelKS: that's not allowed. You're not permitted to be in breach of stereotypes. |
| 13:18.37 | SerajewelKS | themill: sorry, i meant: fuck off! |
| 13:18.54 | themill | SerajewelKS: If you're using linux and don't have long hair and wearing socks with your sandals, I'll call the stereotype police. |
| 13:19.03 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it's an https java ftp client .. it sucks |
| 13:19.05 | SerajewelKS | USA ROCKS EVERYONE ELSE IS GAY OR WEAK |
| 13:19.07 | SerajewelKS | themill: better? |
| 13:19.15 | themill | SerajewelKS: in one way... |
| 13:19.18 | OBcecado | lftp > * |
| 13:19.23 | SerajewelKS | themill: haha |
| 13:19.26 | SerajewelKS | OBcecado: hear hear |
| 13:19.29 | binrapt | SerajewelKS so what replacement for FTP do you suggest? |
| 13:19.32 | abrotman | OBcecado: i don't have a choice |
| 13:19.36 | abrotman | binrapt: scp/sftp |
| 13:19.47 | SerajewelKS | binrapt: what abrotman said |
| 13:19.51 | maligor | SerajewelKS, Or worse, atheist! |
| 13:19.51 | abrotman | !tell binrapt about ftpmustdie |
| 13:19.54 | binrapt | SFTP is just FTP via SSL, no? |
| 13:19.59 | binrapt | Same protocol? |
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| 13:20.05 | SerajewelKS | binrapt: no, that's ftps |
| 13:20.11 | themill | binrapt: no. that's called ftps |
| 13:20.12 | binrapt | Oh |
| 13:20.17 | binrapt | Ok I'll read up on it |
| 13:20.20 | themill | dpkg: tell binrapt about sftp |
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| 13:20.43 | maligor | how does ftps handle the data channel? the same except encrypted? |
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| 13:21.03 | maligor | that'll make it totally impossible to handle with nats |
| 13:21.37 | maligor | or actually the control channel is the key |
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| 13:23.38 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: hmm, apparently this module is already being removed and loaded by the system... it just needs to be removed and loaded again or something |
| 13:24.07 | binrapt | Yeah screw FTP |
| 13:24.14 | binrapt | What SFTP servers can you recommend? |
| 13:24.38 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:24.49 | abrotman | binrapt: oh .. you can only use sftp if you ahve 64bit OS :) |
| 13:24.56 | themill | maligor: yes, it's a problem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTPS#The_firewall_problem |
| 13:24.58 | jelly | binrapt: openssh seems to be a-ok |
| 13:25.02 | abrotman | binrapt: i'm joking |
| 13:25.07 | binrapt | abrotman: I know |
| 13:25.21 | datacrusher | anyone suggest a good task scheduler for gnome? |
| 13:25.35 | SerajewelKS | datacrusher: define task scheduler |
| 13:26.05 | themill | cron like thing? or todo-list thing? or M$ Project-like thing? |
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| 13:26.50 | jelly | Outlook-like thing! |
| 13:26.59 | stew | linux kernel like thing |
| 13:27.08 | jelly | heh |
| 13:27.10 | themill | stew: for gnome? |
| 13:27.27 | abrotman | !info gnome-schedule etch |
| 13:27.29 | themill | (but yes, that was what I thought of first too.. sad) |
| 13:27.36 | binrapt | Ah interesting, so SFTP depends on the normal user accounts eh? Does OpenSSH support virtual SFTP only users with limited rights then? |
| 13:27.37 | stew | themill: yeah, gnome runs it through its paces at times |
| 13:27.44 | themill | stew: heh |
| 13:27.45 | jelly | themill: you think Gnome's tasks schedule themselves on their own accord? |
| 13:27.53 | stew | binrapt: look at scponly or rssh |
| 13:27.53 | dpkg | gnome-schedule: (GNOME scheduler for automatic tasks), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.0.0-2 (etch), Packaged size: 428 kB, Installed size: 1376 kB |
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| 13:27.57 | abrotman | datacrusher: ^^^^^^^^^ |
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| 13:28.11 | tech13 | Having a weird problem with a backup. I have a tar from a /dev/hda1 of one machine, extracting to another /dev/hda1 works fine. extracting to a /dev/sda1 goes screwy. changed the different places I found hda to sda, but when I'm done, I can get the system to boot, but not able to 'sudo' or 'su -', any suggestions? |
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| 13:32.10 | datacrusher | i need to do a daily backup |
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| 13:33.09 | datacrusher | i just dont wanna run on the cli with a script |
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| 13:33.44 | datacrusher | cause its quite simple... just in curiosity for a frontent to program a task to make an iso with a folder, and write it to a dvdrw |
| 13:33.58 | themill | datacrusher: use cron for that sort of thing. gnome-schedule that abrotman mentioned seems to be the right thing to use to set that up if you are looking for something easy to use. |
| 13:34.38 | datacrusher | thanks! |
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| 13:34.51 | datacrusher | iv installed cron, makeiso and a burning soft |
| 13:35.11 | datacrusher | i wanna se ir a frontend will help me to overcome the text script |
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| 13:43.55 | abrotman | themill: could you translate? |
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| 13:55.32 | rmrfchik | damn, debian from debian-40r4a-i386-businesscard.iso do not want to install to virtualbox. stuck on grub installation |
| 13:55.44 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yeah, nothing in /etc/acpi/suspend.d is getting executed |
| 13:55.50 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: is it +x ? |
| 13:55.56 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i've put in some echo >> /tmp/something lines in most of those files |
| 13:55.57 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yes |
| 13:56.03 | abrotman | !suspend |
| 13:56.03 | dpkg | suspend is probably check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!), or http://www.linux.com/articles/54610 and http://dotcommie.net/projects/XPS-M1210/ |
| 13:56.08 | SerajewelKS | i don't see anything in /tmp after |
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| 13:56.25 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: well .. that seems not good |
| 13:56.29 | SerajewelKS | i'm using suspend2 iirc |
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| 13:57.06 | themill | SerajewelKS: I didn't think tuxonice used any acpi stuff. Isn't that the point of it? |
| 13:57.20 | SerajewelKS | i don't know |
| 13:57.26 | abrotman | no docs in /usr/share/doc/ ? |
| 13:57.29 | SerajewelKS | all i know is my networking is dead after resume, and i want to fix it |
| 13:57.30 | themill | dpkg suspend is also ask me about <suspend troubleshooting> |
| 13:57.31 | dpkg | okay, themill |
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| 13:57.49 | abrotman | suspend troubleshooting is also .. just shutdown ffs |
| 13:57.55 | SerajewelKS | if i manually remove and insert my driver it's working |
| 13:57.59 | themill | abrotman: no, that's a pain |
| 13:58.04 | abrotman | hardly |
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| 13:58.23 | themill | SerajewelKS: so put the driver in the module black list and the hibernate script will remove it and then add it again |
| 13:58.26 | abrotman | themill: compared to what SerajewelKS is going through ? :) |
| 13:58.39 | abrotman | themill: he said that's already happening |
| 13:59.06 | themill | uhuh... |
| 13:59.08 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: actually it's not, because that's the acpi stuff |
| 13:59.23 | SerajewelKS | afaict /etc/acpi has no bearing on my hibernate process |
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| 13:59.47 | SerajewelKS | i tried putting in it MODULES in /etc/defaults/acpi-support |
| 13:59.53 | SerajewelKS | no joy there either |
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| 14:00.28 | SerajewelKS | i'm wondering if /usr/share/hibernate/scriptlets.d is where i want to be looking |
| 14:00.48 | themill | SerajewelKS: /etc/hibernate/suspend2.conf and friends |
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| 14:03.25 | SerajewelKS | mmk |
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| 14:04.09 | themill | configuring the tool that's actually being used rather than the tool that you chose not to use would seem sensible. |
| 14:04.34 | SerajewelKS | which tool did i choose not to use? |
| 14:04.39 | themill | acpi |
| 14:04.47 | SerajewelKS | and when did i choose not to use this? |
| 14:05.05 | themill | when you read the package description for suspend2, recompiled your kernel for it and installed it? |
| 14:05.16 | SerajewelKS | uhm, stock lenny kernel... |
| 14:05.36 | themill | does that support suspend2 now? I didn't think suspend2 was merged into the kernle |
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| 14:06.02 | SerajewelKS | i haven't touched the suspend configuration at all, except today to try to get this module reloaded on resume |
| 14:07.28 | themill | SerajewelKS: OK, let's start at the beginning then. How do you figure this: [14:56] <SerajewelKS> i'm using suspend2 iirc |
| 14:07.36 | Lagbolt | SerajewelKS, all your networking is dead? wired or wireless or both? |
| 14:09.32 | abrotman | Lagbolt: the important one :) |
| 14:09.51 | SerajewelKS | Lagbolt: wireless. i know which module must be reloaded, i'm just not sure where to configure suspend2 to remove it before and probe it after. |
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| 14:10.10 | Lagbolt | SerajewelKS, how do you connect to wireless? wpa supplicant? using etch? |
| 14:10.19 | SerajewelKS | themill: because when i hibernate all the kernel messages i see about hibernate progress begin with "suspend2: " |
| 14:10.20 | themill | SerajewelKS: what makes you think you're using suspend2? How are you actually doing the suspend thing? |
| 14:10.30 | Lagbolt | i had some trouble once upon a time with that and it was wpa_supplicant not getting stopped properly |
| 14:10.41 | SerajewelKS | Lagbolt: i'm using open networks actualy |
| 14:10.43 | SerajewelKS | actually* |
| 14:11.07 | Lagbolt | yeah wpa_supplicant can connect to open networks too :) . . . |
| 14:11.09 | SerajewelKS | themill: i'm hibernating by using the gnome power management applet |
| 14:11.12 | SerajewelKS | heh |
| 14:11.25 | SerajewelKS | Lagbolt: in any case, removing the module and reloading it after resuming works |
| 14:11.41 | visik7 | is there a paper that explain which are the characteristics of apt and the future plan of implementations ? |
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| 14:11.45 | Lagbolt | ah gnome-power manager eh. does that use dbus/hal to suspend? i feel like i read that somewhere |
| 14:11.59 | SerajewelKS | yes, i believe it does |
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| 14:12.20 | themill | SerajewelKS: ok. If you have the hibernate package installed, then (aiui) gpm will try to use that. That's part of suspend2 but I don't think you'll actually use suspend2 as that is still a non-mainline kernel patch |
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| 14:12.39 | SerajewelKS | well all the kernel messages say suspend2 :) |
| 14:12.57 | themill | kernel or script? how can you tell the difference? |
| 14:13.14 | SerajewelKS | themill: the % indicator during hibernate? i would assume that is from the kernel, no? |
| 14:13.18 | Lagbolt | SerajewelKS, and it only works if you reload the module? what if you ifconfig iface down and bring it back up |
| 14:13.27 | themill | SerajewelKS: no, that's a userspace process |
| 14:13.29 | SerajewelKS | Lagbolt: nothing, the module must be reloaded |
| 14:13.47 | themill | SerajewelKS: people have been arguing about merging suspend2 for 4 years or so. |
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| 14:14.03 | SerajewelKS | themill: uhm, isn't userspace suspended when image pages are being written? |
| 14:14.09 | r-p | How can I get a listing of installed packages in arder of size ? |
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| 14:14.33 | themill | SerajewelKS: page writing has been forced out of kernel into user space to allow things like compression and encryption to be done easily |
| 14:14.58 | SerajewelKS | ok well at least the suspend2 userspace is being used then, and i'd assume that includes the suspend2 hooks |
| 14:15.03 | r-p | nvm, found debian-goodies |
| 14:15.43 | themill | SerajewelKS: yes. So /etc/hibernate/blacklisted-modules wouuld be a good place to look. |
| 14:16.37 | SerajewelKS | themill: heh, my module is already in there |
| 14:17.27 | SerajewelKS | so if the module is being removed and inserted, apparently it must be again or at a different time to work properly |
| 14:18.55 | themill | SerajewelKS: you could put a hook script into the "services" section of the config files to "sleep 10s; modprobe -r foomodule ; modprobe foomodule". |
| 14:19.03 | SerajewelKS | themill: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=383169 |
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| 14:19.16 | SerajewelKS | this is my issue. apparently it was closed by putting the module in the blacklist. |
| 14:19.29 | SerajewelKS | which for some reason isn't doing the trick for me |
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| 14:20.15 | SerajewelKS | actually it's not closed at all |
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| 14:20.19 | theycallmebruce | hi everyone |
| 14:20.46 | theycallmebruce | I just installed the AMD64 kernel on a new machine with 8GB of ram |
| 14:20.54 | WormFood | I wrote 2 scripts today and yesterday to report the size of a directory for burning to a CD/DVD, and to burn a directory on the fly (without creating an iso image)...if anyone is interested in them, let me know, and I'll be happy to share them (it does sanity checks, such as checking the size of the DVD, and refuse to burn if your directory is too big) |
| 14:21.08 | theycallmebruce | but top and free only show less than 4gb |
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| 14:21.32 | abrotman | theycallmebruce: uname -a ? |
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| 14:21.49 | abrotman | theycallmebruce: and the BIOS sees it? and you've booted the new kernel ? |
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| 14:22.19 | theycallmebruce | abrotman: yeah bios sees it |
| 14:22.22 | theycallmebruce | and lshw |
| 14:22.29 | b0ef | is there a reinstall with apt-get?. When I did a apt-get upgrade, it asked me if I wanted the package release of a file, which I turned down. Is there a way to reinstall the package without first removing it and then installing it again? |
| 14:22.59 | theycallmebruce | just have to get the outputfrom uname, i am ircing from another machine one moment |
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| 14:24.10 | SerajewelKS | god this is frustrating |
| 14:26.11 | theycallmebruce | Linux debisan 2.6.18-6-k7 #1 SMP Tue Jun 17 22:06:22 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:26.22 | WormFood | SerajewelKS, computers and software can be frustrating |
| 14:26.45 | stew | theycallmebruce: that isn't an amd64 kernel, that is a k7 kernel |
| 14:27.07 | theycallmebruce | oh .. how not sure how I managed that |
| 14:27.24 | theycallmebruce | I thoughtI downloaded the AMD64 net installer .. guess not |
| 14:27.27 | theycallmebruce | thanks |
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| 14:28.08 | abrotman | theycallmebruce: there is a -amd64 for 32bit systems |
| 14:28.20 | themill | theycallmebruce: or you could just install the -686 bigmem kernel on that machine |
| 14:28.25 | abrotman | (at least he didn't try the ia64 installer like half the other people) |
| 14:28.29 | themill | :) |
| 14:28.33 | theycallmebruce | hehe |
| 14:29.00 | abrotman | "Hi I installed the ia64 on a p150, and it only sees 640KB of RAM .. how can i get the rest?" |
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| 14:29.47 | stew | abrotman: is the turbo button on or off? |
| 14:30.06 | theycallmebruce | I am downloading debian-40r4a-amd64-CD-1.iso now .. presumably that is it? |
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| 14:30.33 | stew | theycallmebruce: yes, and note that there is a newer kernel available in the installer: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 14:30.53 | abrotman | stew: DOH .. it was off |
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| 14:31.02 | pippijn | hi all |
| 14:31.12 | pippijn | how can I split my debian package into multiple separate packages? |
| 14:31.28 | SerajewelKS | themill: ok i don't think i'm using suspend2 now. the messages are actually referencing s2disk. got rearranged in my head. |
| 14:31.30 | theycallmebruce | ah.. useful, thanks |
| 14:31.36 | SerajewelKS | themill: apparently it's using pm, not acpi |
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| 14:31.42 | theycallmebruce | if I find I'm missing some hardware support I'll go for that |
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| 14:32.55 | themill | SerajewelKS: I think s2disk config is in /etc/powersave. There are UNLOAD_MODULES_* parameters in there too. |
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| 14:33.39 | SerajewelKS | themill: i'm looking at http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pm-utils#Advanced_Configuration right now |
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| 14:33.48 | stew | pippijn: add more stanzas to debian/control. a common way of handling the splitting of files is to set DESTDIR to debian/tmp then have debian/package1.install and debian/pacakge2.install to move them to the appropriate debian/package{1,2} directories (man dh_install). you should probably look at some other pacakges which do this for inspiration |
| 14:34.20 | pippijn | stew: I looked at gcc and glibc, but they are so large.. |
| 14:34.39 | pippijn | stew: do you know what package I could look at for inspiration? |
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| 14:34.55 | r-p | Hello I have a directory that I want to tar, bit virtually 0% disk space free, what should I do? |
| 14:35.00 | jelly | pippijn: file, maybe? it has file and libfile1 :-) |
| 14:35.02 | pippijn | ah |
| 14:35.05 | pippijn | thanks |
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| 14:35.27 | wols | r-p: delete old logs |
| 14:35.34 | jelly | libmagic1*, but whateve |
| 14:35.43 | stew | pippijn: my rosegarden package does |
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| 14:36.09 | pippijn | r-p: if you don't mind deleting the files after you tar them up, loop over them, add them to the tar using "tar r" and delete them after |
| 14:36.15 | pippijn | r-p: it's dangerous.. |
| 14:36.23 | pippijn | r-p: I'd rather insert a USB disk and tar it onto that |
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| 14:36.40 | Lagbolt | r-p, have you "apt-get clean"'ed lately? |
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| 14:36.47 | r-p | Lagbolt: yes |
| 14:37.02 | ruben | Hello, after upgrading etch to lenny, doing booting network does not start, any idea about this? is a lenny bug? thank you, doing manually works, but the file interfaces is the same as debian etch |
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| 14:38.18 | SerajewelKS | themill: woot, got it |
| 14:38.24 | themill | :) |
| 14:39.00 | SerajewelKS | themill: echo 'SUSPEND_MODULES="ath_pci"' > /etc/pm/config.d/50-madwifi |
| 14:39.06 | SerajewelKS | one-line fix |
| 14:39.10 | pippijn | ah |
| 14:39.31 | themill | SerajewelKS: excellent. Perhaps add that to the end of the bug report so that those using pm-utils know that. |
| 14:39.53 | SerajewelKS | themill: nod, probably will write on my blog too |
| 14:40.00 | r-p | pippijn: Lagbolt wols: the directory is ~25G, I wont be able to make space. I need some stream tool which will delete data as it passes through the directory |
| 14:40.01 | themill | :) |
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| 14:40.34 | pippijn | r-p: I just told you how to do that |
| 14:40.38 | Lagbolt | r-p then you wil have to to a tar that adds and deletes files as they are added to tar but it is risky |
| 14:40.42 | SerajewelKS | linux power management smells like linux audio. a clusterfuck of different services that don't play together and all have their own way of doing shit, and nobody can agree which one to use. |
| 14:40.54 | pippijn | r-p: yes, what Lagbolt said, and I told you how |
| 14:41.08 | pippijn | r-p: I also told you it's risky/dangerous |
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| 14:42.08 | petemc | SerajewelKS: i think you'll find the problem lies with all the different hardware implementations and buggy acpi stuff - you should know where the fault is before you start apportioning blame |
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| 14:42.59 | themill | there are too many frameworks all claiming to be "the solution" and are all under-documented and unfinished. And there are both kernel and userspace ends to the problem. |
| 14:43.09 | r-p | pippijn: there's a lot of files ... |
| 14:43.16 | pippijn | r-p: so? |
| 14:44.19 | SerajewelKS | petemc: i'm not blaming any one in particular |
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| 14:44.56 | pippijn | r-p: what does that mean? |
| 14:45.03 | pippijn | r-p: you can lose a lot of data if it goes wrong |
| 14:45.14 | r-p | pippijn: manual labour is not the unix way |
| 14:45.26 | SerajewelKS | but for example having three different systems install on my box and having only one in use does not effect configuration changes well, especially since there does not seem to be any simple way to detect which one is being used |
| 14:45.30 | pippijn | r-p: indeed, but who mentioned manual labour? |
| 14:45.32 | SerajewelKS | installed* |
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| 14:46.06 | NinjaMan | how do I configure apt (apt.conf) to prefer one release over another (i.e. when they both contain the same package at the same version)? |
| 14:46.18 | SerajewelKS | !tell NinjaMan about pinning |
| 14:46.27 | r-p | pippijn: theres about 100 files, that's going to be a lot of commands to type |
| 14:46.38 | pippijn | r-p: again, who mentioned manual labour? |
| 14:46.39 | Walex | NinjaMan: look for discussions of "pinning". |
| 14:46.47 | pippijn | r-p: you don't have to type those commands |
| 14:46.51 | pippijn | r-p: do it the unix way |
| 14:46.52 | Rockj | do there exist a nice debian trick to restore ownership on files on installed debian packages? (I was smart enough todo chown user:user -R .* for hidden files which did more then it should have :P) |
| 14:46.55 | stew | NinjaMan: if they both contain the same backage at the same version, what does preferring one even mean? its going to download the same file no matter what? |
| 14:46.57 | Rockj | human errors are nice |
| 14:47.05 | stew | ^backage^package |
| 14:47.15 | datacrusher | is there a nice way to backup mu debian system, when i finish doint its configuration, in a way thats easy to get the system up on a crask? i have the files backuped daily, with theyr properties, i just need to bacukp the system and its configuration |
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| 14:47.49 | pippijn | r-p: for i in `find . -type f`; do tar rf backup.tar $i; rm $i; done # test this in a throwaway dir |
| 14:47.49 | stew | datacrusher: the system is just a collection of files. if you are backing up the files, what else would there be? |
| 14:47.58 | NinjaMan | stew : currently debian experimental and the aMule debian repository have the same version of aMule, but they are packaged very differently e.g. the debian version has all the debugging options removed, and multiple packages merged |
| 14:48.14 | stew | NinjaMan: file a bug then |
| 14:48.27 | stew | oh, the amule debian repository |
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| 14:48.48 | stew | NinjaMan: tell the non-debian maintainer they are doing it wrong. then 'man apt_preferences' |
| 14:49.25 | datacrusher | stew: i back up the user files |
| 14:49.29 | NinjaMan | ok the the dpkg bot gave me a broken link for pinning |
| 14:49.33 | datacrusher | i dont backuup the /etc folder and so on |
| 14:49.44 | abrotman | NinjaMan: take off the comma |
| 14:50.11 | datacrusher | i want a system backup, if the server gets burned by an thunder |
| 14:50.24 | NinjaMan | abrotman: what comma? |
| 14:50.42 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 14:50.42 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.Debianorg/AptPinning http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 14:50.45 | datacrusher | i can get it up again, without having to configure all the stuff I alread did |
| 14:50.46 | r-p | pippijn: some of the files are greater than the amount of free space available |
| 14:50.53 | abrotman | bah .. totally broke it .. |
| 14:50.54 | abrotman | brb |
| 14:51.07 | pippijn | r-p: then you likely are out of luck |
| 14:51.11 | datacrusher | i can backup the smb.conf, x11.conf files, but ill need to create all the users again, set permissions.. a big job |
| 14:51.20 | r-p | pippijn: I am going to play around with fifos |
| 14:51.27 | pippijn | r-p: okay |
| 14:51.29 | SerajewelKS | datacrusher: no, your users are in /etc/passwd |
| 14:51.32 | SerajewelKS | datacrusher: just back up / |
| 14:51.36 | stew | datacrusher: you should backpup the /etc directory and /var/lib at least |
| 14:51.41 | abrotman | NinjaMan: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
| 14:51.57 | SerajewelKS | datacrusher: or what stew says. /etc will get pretty much all of the system configuration. |
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| 14:52.33 | gynterk | mm |
| 14:52.37 | gynterk | http://xkcd.com/327/ |
| 14:52.53 | gynterk | anyway, what happened with count? |
| 14:52.54 | gynterk | bash: count: command not found |
| 14:53.11 | NinjaMan | thx abrotman |
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| 14:53.24 | r-p | Is tar completely stream orientated ? |
| 14:53.27 | abrotman | !tell gynterk about search |
| 14:53.31 | SerajewelKS | datacrusher: /var/lib will get things like mysql databases |
| 14:53.43 | abrotman | gynterk: there is a usr/bin/count in the fish package |
| 14:53.59 | abrotman | though .. fish is a shell ... |
| 14:54.21 | datacrusher | hm |
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| 14:55.20 | datacrusher | im thinking this way. if the server completely brokes, and i need to isntall all over again, and upload this backup files, and the users.. that would be a big job. I wannt something like the image of the system itself. |
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| 14:55.47 | datacrusher | its a samba file server. It gots only the public and personal files, a backup script to burn a dayly dvd and just this |
| 14:56.47 | stew | gynterk: what are you expecting 'count' to do? |
| 14:57.10 | stew | count is gone from fish as well, its now a builtin there |
| 14:57.31 | NinjaMan | ok I read the Pinning documentation - but how do I reference the aMule debian repository in the apt/preferences? |
| 14:57.35 | abrotman | in etch ? |
| 14:57.40 | stew | NinjaMan: by origin |
| 14:58.12 | NinjaMan | stew: ok and which file will contain the correct origin I should use |
| 14:58.44 | stew | NinjaMan: Release |
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| 14:59.04 | stew | NinjaMan: assuming the amule repository is a proper repository that publishes a Release file |
| 14:59.13 | NinjaMan | abrotman: no it is aMule specific debian repositories - e.g. deb http://www.vollstreckernet.de/debian testing amule-stable wx |
| 14:59.21 | NinjaMan | stew: lets hope so |
| 14:59.49 | stew | NinjaMan: the real solution is to get aMule to use a proper version number, especially if they are targetting debian, they shouldn't be colliding with a debian version number for just this reason |
| 15:00.23 | NinjaMan | stew: yes but I think what has happened is the debian package maintainer has basterdised it! |
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| 15:00.41 | stew | NinjaMan: what does that mean? |
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| 15:00.57 | stew | NinjaMan: if the debian package isn't correctly versioned, file a bug |
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| 15:01.04 | gynterk | hmm indeed its in fish |
| 15:01.11 | gynterk | but I have used count in bash too |
| 15:01.12 | gynterk | thats odd |
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| 15:01.40 | gynterk | count *.ogg for example returns wildcard count in directory |
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| 15:02.04 | NinjaMan | stew: it is the correct version of the software, it has just been altered before it was put into debian experimental |
| 15:02.20 | NinjaMan | the debugging/ logging options were removed |
| 15:02.34 | NinjaMan | and separate packages merged together |
| 15:02.41 | stew | NinjaMan: the debian version is 2.2.2-1, the upstream repository should have named their version something like "2.2.2-1~amule.0" or "2.2.2-1+amule.0" or "2.2.2-0+amule0..." |
| 15:02.55 | NinjaMan | stew: oic |
| 15:03.11 | NinjaMan | hmmm the Origin appears to be "Werner Mahr <Vollstrecker>" |
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| 15:03.42 | stew | NinjaMan: since it was known to them that the first package uploaded to debian was definately going to be "2.2.2-1", they shouldn't have used that version themselves |
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| 15:04.46 | jelly | wants debian packages of wine 1.1+ |
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| 15:06.30 | adnc_ | my cronjobs for root are not executed, which i did by editing crontab -e . i can not find any logs. does someone know how i can force cron to write to logs? |
| 15:07.05 | stew | adnc_: can you give us an example cron entry that isn't working? |
| 15:07.15 | adnc_ | 0 17 * * * /usr/local/sbin/postfix_report.sh &> /dev/null |
| 15:07.18 | adnc_ | stew: sure |
| 15:07.28 | adnc_ | this should be run daily on 1700 |
| 15:07.31 | adnc_ | was my idea |
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| 15:08.10 | nardul | Anyone here tried DaviCAL? |
| 15:08.11 | stew | adnc_: is /usr/local/sbin/postfix_report.sh chmod +x? does it rely on environment variables that would be missing when cron runs? |
| 15:08.27 | adnc_ | stew: yes, i did add that executable flag |
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| 15:08.50 | adnc_ | it seems fine to me, but to be sure, i wanted to look into logs but i can not find any |
| 15:09.04 | jelly | adnc_: uncomment the line for cron.log in /etc/syslog.conf, restart sysklogd |
| 15:09.04 | adnc_ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 1352 2008-09-12 15:46 /usr/local/sbin/postfix_report.sh |
| 15:09.39 | adnc_ | ok |
| 15:09.40 | stew | adnc_: is /bin/sh bash or dash or what? &> is not posix |
| 15:10.03 | jelly | adnc_: also, is there a special reason you're hiding stdout and stderr of that script? |
| 15:10.31 | adnc_ | jelly: since this is in the background executed and is reporting logs via mail i did suppress it |
| 15:10.32 | stew | adnc_: in general it would be safer to use ">/dev/null 2>/dev/null" but you might take it all off, so that any errors the script might be producing to you would get mailed to you |
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| 15:11.22 | jelly | adnc_: was that wise to do when you're trying to find out why the script doesn't work? :-) |
| 15:11.46 | adnc_ | jelly: sure not, but when i execute this via the shell than i see the results |
| 15:11.48 | adnc_ | 15 17 * * * /usr/local/sbin/postfix_report.sh > /dev/null 2>/dev/null |
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| 15:12.18 | jelly | uses >/dev/null 2>&1 idiomatically |
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| 15:13.00 | adnc_ | stew: is the version i pasted now ok? |
| 15:13.30 | stew | adnc_: yes, but we'd recommend not throwing away output until you know the cronjob actually runs |
| 15:13.49 | adnc_ | stew: yes, sure. |
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| 15:14.12 | adnc_ | Sep 12 17:14:02 mail /USR/SBIN/CRON[25082]: (root) CMD (/usr/local/sbin/postfix_report.sh > /dev/null 2>/dev/null) |
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| 15:14.19 | adnc_ | ahh the log says it did the job |
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| 15:15.53 | adnc_ | ahh it can not find the commands in that shell script |
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| 15:16.09 | stew | right, because the $PATH is different in the cron environment |
| 15:16.16 | adnc_ | i see |
| 15:16.26 | stew | adnc_: you can set PATH in crontab, but it is better to fix the script |
| 15:17.10 | adnc_ | stew: i will start the commands, which is pflogsumm in this case via his path like /usr/sbin/pflogsumm |
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| 15:17.12 | roue | hola |
| 15:17.50 | roue | I'm running lenny, using fvwm2 as my window manager. I'd like a simple xlock that requires a password to unlock, but I'm not finding it. xscreensaver seems a bit too heavy for my needs. Any suggestions? Thanks. |
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| 15:18.28 | adnc_ | if someone knows pflogsumm, this application is quite well for reporting postfix statistics but unfortunately it counts mails went through the spamassassin app double, is there any alternativ to it |
| 15:18.51 | NinjaMan | stew: it appears that /etc/apt/preferences is being ignored :( - any ideas? |
| 15:19.09 | stew | NinjaMan: did you run aptitude update or apt-get update? |
| 15:19.15 | kelvinq | Help! I keep gettting --> W: GPG error: http://debian-multimedia.org testing Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 07DC563D1F41B907 Christian Marillat <marillat@debian.org> --> when I try to update debian-multimedia repository. BTW, i've already installed "debian-multimedia-keyring'. :( |
| 15:19.16 | NinjaMan | stew: yes |
| 15:19.46 | stew | NinjaMan: show us /etc/apt/preferences, and the output of "apt-cache policy amule" (or whatever package you are having trouble with) ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 15:21.51 | kelvinq | hello hello - i'm having dpkg public key woes. :( |
| 15:22.04 | grul | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.17 | abrotman | kelvinq: going to need more info |
| 15:22.18 | kelvinq | grul: can i help you? |
| 15:22.29 | kelvinq | abrotman: what do you need? |
| 15:22.48 | grul | help yourself and i'll be happy again |
| 15:23.19 | kelvinq | abrotman: i was trying to add the debian-multimedia repository. it obviously needs some keys and i followed the instruction to download debian-multimedia-keyring. |
| 15:23.33 | kelvinq | grul: trying. but no joy. |
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| 15:24.00 | Supaplex | walks into grul's home, and helps himself to some food ;) |
| 15:24.03 | kelvinq | here're more details from the top, posted again --> Help! I keep gettting --> W: GPG error: http://debian-multimedia.org testing Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 07DC563D1F41B907 Christian Marillat <marillat@debian.org> --> when I try to update debian-multimedia repository. BTW, i've already installed "debian-multimedia-keyring'. :( |
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| 15:24.23 | kelvinq | Supaplex: what's in there? |
| 15:25.04 | abrotman | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 15:25.05 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 15:25.32 | kelvinq | abrotman: is that for me? |
| 15:25.57 | Kaeles | apparently the unstable repo's are more unstable than I thought, my apt-get is broken now that I added them and tried to update, its tellign me "Dynamic MMAp ran out of room", "error occured while processing spong-common" |
| 15:26.15 | abrotman | kelvinq: yes |
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| 15:26.48 | kelvinq | abrotman: man, thanks. where can i learn that from? i need to "help myself", as grul has said. |
| 15:27.04 | abrotman | kelvinq: the debian-multimedia-keyring shuld have done that .. |
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| 15:27.24 | kelvinq | argh.... it didn't. :( |
| 15:27.37 | NinjaMan | stew: http://paste.debian.net/17090 |
| 15:27.41 | libertad | Morning |
| 15:28.06 | jelly | !tell Kaeles -about dynamic mmap |
| 15:28.35 | Supaplex | Kaeles: then stop using unstable. that message isn't an indication it's not reliable |
| 15:28.52 | kelvinq | abrotman: btw, that worked beautifully! |
| 15:28.53 | Supaplex | er, it's no indication it's unreliable. |
| 15:29.02 | jelly | Supaplex: shush. yes it is. |
| 15:29.19 | libertad | I have a linksys WRT300N 1.1 router with : DD-WRT v24-sp1. I'm trying give internet to only 192.168.1.101 and 192.168.1.102, some idea? |
| 15:29.30 | abrotman | libertad: it runs debian ? |
| 15:29.31 | Supaplex | oh yeah. it's very broken! save yourself now :) |
| 15:29.35 | jelly | Supaplex: as long as it keeps them from using unstable sources... |
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| 15:29.51 | jelly | hums |
| 15:30.06 | libertad | abrotman: linux |
| 15:30.17 | libertad | abrotman: gnu utils |
| 15:30.41 | jelly | libertad: you'll probably have to ask in a place dedicated to DD-WRT support, not #debian |
| 15:31.11 | libertad | thaks |
| 15:31.14 | Kaeles | haha thanks jelly |
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| 15:31.39 | Kaeles | well, some of the packages I'm trying to install are only available in the unstable branch, and I'm too lazy to dl them and install from source. |
| 15:31.54 | jelly | Kaeles: you will break your system |
| 15:31.58 | kelvinq | Kaeles: what packages are there? |
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| 15:32.16 | jelly | Kaeles: (and maybe learn someinth in the process, so it's not all bad) |
| 15:32.19 | Kaeles | supercollider, newer wine, and a few others. |
| 15:32.25 | kelvinq | i just switched from freeBSD. crowd there LOVES to compile stuff. *faints* |
| 15:32.55 | jelly | Kaeles: if you can, use backports (/msg dpkg bpo) or create them yourself (/msg dpkg ssb) |
| 15:33.23 | jelly | Kaeles: mixing binary packages from different debian release is not for the unwary |
| 15:33.26 | Kaeles | oh cool, I'll haev to look into that. |
| 15:33.42 | Kaeles | due to potentially diffrent kernel versions ? |
| 15:33.50 | jelly | !bobbitt |
| 15:33.51 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 15:34.00 | Kaeles | and gcc and glibc verions? |
| 15:34.24 | jelly | Kaeles: glibc and any other dependency, yes |
| 15:34.28 | Kaeles | righto |
| 15:34.36 | kelvinq | but there was a wisdom around to use testing/unstable, while sticking to stable kernels? |
| 15:34.42 | kelvinq | is that still the wisdom here? |
| 15:34.44 | Kaeles | strange though, I've never had a problem using an rpm with alien |
| 15:34.52 | Kaeles | even for hardware drivers and etc |
| 15:35.12 | jelly | Kaeles: actually you can usually subvert debian and use any kernel you like, that's one bit that's usually harmless to change |
| 15:35.31 | Kaeles | i've heard about using a bsd kernel or other bits in place |
| 15:35.55 | Kaeles | I've thought about it, sounds interesting, but the most kernel messing around with I've done was compiling in openmosix :P |
| 15:36.02 | jelly | Kaeles: that's a different architecture then |
| 15:36.08 | jelly | !kfreebds |
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| 15:37.12 | jelly | !debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 15:37.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian gnu/kfreebsd is a port that consists of the GNU userland on top of the FreeBSD kernel, coupled with the Debian tools and packages. There is a BSD libc5 port, but the Glibc port is being focused on more. http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/, or Penix' almighty official installation guide can be found here: http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ |
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| 15:38.57 | kelvinq | wooo... kfreebsd!!! |
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| 15:40.17 | Kaeles | I honestly don't use linux enough to know the difference between a bsd kernel and a linux one, but luckily my work is cool, so I use debian all the time there (well here.) |
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| 15:41.35 | ewoerner | hi |
| 15:41.37 | Aaron_ | hey how do you bring a wireless interface up? |
| 15:41.56 | ewoerner | is there a way to get old experimental packages? |
| 15:42.06 | abrotman | !tell ewoerner about sdn |
| 15:42.06 | ewoerner | snapshot.d.o doesn't seem to work for them |
| 15:42.11 | abrotman | but it's kind of broken lately |
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| 15:42.18 | kelvinq | Aaron_: do you know the name of your wireless interface? |
| 15:42.30 | maplebed | is looking for advice on the best way to exchange a required package for its alternative. |
| 15:42.30 | maplebed | I want to replace openbsd-inetd with xinetd, but if I try and remove openbsd-inetd, it claims it must also remove most everything else net related. If I add xinetd first, same thing. How can I get rid of openbsd-inetd? If I just ignore it, both inetd and xinetd start on boot, which can't be good. |
| 15:42.31 | kelvinq | Aaron_: paste your ifconfig output. |
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| 15:43.34 | adnc_ | i've a imap server and i wonder if it is possible to have particular folders created during useradd. folders like SPAM or Draft etc. which application would need to take care if it when adding users? |
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| 15:44.52 | themill | maplebed: aptitude can do that either in the curses interface or in the command line: "aptitude install openbsd-inetd- xinetd" |
| 15:44.55 | billybongo | adnc_: depending on your imap server you could just mkdir in the appropriate place |
| 15:44.58 | liable | adnc_: when the user connects with their account, dont those get copied over from the users mailbox? |
| 15:45.17 | maplebed | themill: that command line wouldn't just install both? |
| 15:45.39 | themill | maplebed: note the "-" after openbsd-inetd. |
| 15:45.49 | maplebed | ah! |
| 15:45.53 | maplebed | doesn't use aptitude much. |
| 15:45.54 | adnc_ | billybongo: it is dovecot, it would be a file in this case |
| 15:45.59 | maplebed | Thanks themill, I'll try it. |
| 15:46.20 | billybongo | adnc_: have you tried touching a file with that name and see if it appears in the mail client? |
| 15:46.22 | adnc_ | liable: i dont understand your idea |
| 15:46.43 | zahna | ok, is it possible to have ifup simply create and bring up a tap interface? |
| 15:46.48 | adnc_ | billybongo: ohh i'm sure this will, but how am i going to do this then? copying files to skell? |
| 15:46.54 | abrotman | adnc_: you may want to ask #dovecot |
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| 15:47.12 | abrotman | might be a config setting on which folders to autogen |
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| 15:47.17 | adnc_ | abrotman: do you think this can be managed by dovecot |
| 15:47.18 | billybongo | adnc_: it could be messy, there might be a dovecot utility |
| 15:47.19 | adnc_ | ok |
| 15:47.22 | liable | adnc_: if its imap, whatever the user has in their mailbox (ie directories for sent etc) should get copied to the server. no? |
| 15:47.26 | abrotman | adnc_: just a thought ... |
| 15:47.43 | adnc_ | abrotman: your idea whould be the elegant way |
| 15:47.44 | billybongo | adnc_: or you could make a little script to connect to the new imap folder by imap and create the folders |
| 15:47.47 | zahna | i set up a tap0 line "iface tap0 inet manual" in /etc/network interfaces, yet tap0 isn't created when "ifup tap0" is run |
| 15:47.48 | abrotman | adnc_: another thought might be /etc/skel/ |
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| 15:48.00 | billybongo | adnc_: python has quite a nice imap implementation IIRC |
| 15:48.03 | liable | i dont see the point |
| 15:48.16 | adnc_ | abrotman: yes, copying empty files to /etc/skell was an idea aswell |
| 15:48.19 | billybongo | liable: that isn't how imap works |
| 15:48.22 | liable | if i add a dir in my imap account, the server creates it.. |
| 15:48.30 | liable | billybongo: does for me.. |
| 15:48.35 | billybongo | liable: but not if you're adding a new imap connection |
| 15:48.39 | billybongo | you should get a whole new set of folders |
| 15:49.04 | billybongo | adnc_ is talking about adding a new user, so by definition they have no folders yet |
| 15:49.12 | liable | billybongo: if the user creates a new account in thier mua, whatever it creates goes to the server |
| 15:49.47 | billybongo | liable: user connects to an account created on the server |
| 15:49.50 | liable | and they all create sent and all that shit, unless they use mutt or something |
| 15:50.04 | adnc_ | dovecot replied just the skel variant |
| 15:50.25 | billybongo | liable: oh you mean some MUAs create some folders - this is true but I was assuming our friend had some more folders he wanted as standard |
| 15:50.34 | liable | billybongo: yes, but on that first connect, whatever their mua created, gets copied |
| 15:50.46 | liable | billybongo: aye |
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| 15:51.02 | abrotman | adnc_: guess that makes it easy :) |
| 15:51.22 | adnc_ | yes, simply adding empty files to /etc/skel |
| 15:51.29 | billybongo | never tried dovecot - is it any good? |
| 15:51.34 | nubbun | Debian should seed it's torrents. |
| 15:51.35 | liable | yes |
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| 15:51.37 | billybongo | only ever used courier |
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| 15:51.51 | billybongo | (and Zimbra) |
| 15:51.58 | nubbun | it's --> its |
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| 15:52.05 | stew | billybongo: dovecot is great |
| 15:52.17 | stew | nubbun: which torrent isn't seeded? usually they are very well seeded |
| 15:52.20 | grendal_prime | why cant i send something TO my laptop FROM my phone with bluetooth. It works the otherway around |
| 15:52.22 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 15:52.23 | abrotman | adnc_: i think you mean empty directories? |
| 15:52.30 | billybongo | stew: is it able to authenticate against RDBMS? |
| 15:52.37 | stew | billybongo: yes |
| 15:52.43 | billybongo | sounds good then |
| 15:52.53 | adnc_ | abrotman: no, just files .it is in mbox format |
| 15:52.53 | billybongo | although one file per folder seems a bit old-fashioned |
| 15:52.57 | adnc_ | these are files |
| 15:52.59 | abrotman | adnc_: ewww |
| 15:53.04 | abrotman | adnc_: hint .. use Maildir .. |
| 15:53.24 | stew | billybongo: what do you mean be one file per folder? |
| 15:53.25 | adnc_ | abrotman: yes, but i would need to change and convert them all |
| 15:53.30 | abrotman | mb2md |
| 15:53.32 | abrotman | done! |
| 15:53.51 | adnc_ | ohh |
| 15:53.55 | jelly | abrotman: and 2-3 days of investigation, testing and implementation |
| 15:54.02 | abrotman | adnc_: you'd want to test before just randomly running that :) |
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| 15:54.27 | adnc_ | abrotman: just simply running it for every user? |
| 15:55.35 | billybongo | stew: he seems to be using mbox rather than maildirs |
| 15:55.49 | stew | billybongo: oh, i thought you were talking about dovecot |
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| 15:56.06 | billybongo | stew: will I was hoping that dovecot isn't limited to mbox |
| 15:56.10 | billybongo | s/will/well |
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| 15:56.19 | stew | billybongo: no it happily does either |
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| 15:57.09 | TiMiDo | hey |
| 15:57.17 | TiMiDo | how do i bring up my wireless eth0 up? |
| 15:57.49 | adnc_ | simply adding these files or creating directories didnt work |
| 15:58.23 | billybongo | TiMiDo: depends if it rebellious or not |
| 15:58.41 | TiMiDo | billybongo, is wlan |
| 15:58.45 | TiMiDo | how do i bring that up? |
| 15:58.58 | billybongo | TiMiDo: got wep or wpa or anything? |
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| 15:59.18 | TiMiDo | wep |
| 15:59.27 | billybongo | TiMiDo: gui or command line? |
| 15:59.35 | TiMiDo | command line |
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| 15:59.49 | billybongo | does iwconfig show your device? |
| 15:59.49 | danners | TiMiDo: you know wep is a security risk? |
| 15:59.57 | TiMiDo | yes i do |
| 16:00.03 | liable | TiMiDo: are you sure eth0 is wireless? |
| 16:00.04 | TiMiDo | billybongo, yes |
| 16:00.11 | TiMiDo | wlan0 IEEE 802.11 ESSID:"" |
| 16:00.19 | fryday_dryday | hows lenny doing with 3d desktops? |
| 16:00.22 | billybongo | TiMiDo: ok, use iwconfig wlan0 essid whatever |
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| 16:00.29 | billybongo | where whatever is your ssid |
| 16:00.41 | JordiGH | What's the easiest way to cross compile from amd64 to i386? |
| 16:00.51 | billybongo | TiMiDo: then do ifup wlan0 |
| 16:00.54 | TiMiDo | billybongo, how do i see the networks available? |
| 16:01.04 | liable | TiMiDo: man iwconfig. iwconfig wlan0 essid foo key s:asccikey |
| 16:01.30 | liable | TiMiDo: dude read man iwconfig, or at least do some basic research on google |
| 16:02.00 | billybongo | TiMiDo: iwlist wlan0 scanning |
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| 16:02.30 | TiMiDo | wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 16:02.33 | liable | TiMiDo: #debian isnt a talking man page. we kinda expect you to do a little research |
| 16:02.48 | liable | TiMiDo: ifconfig wlano up |
| 16:03.03 | TiMiDo | okey done |
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| 16:04.24 | TiMiDo | iwconfig wlan0 essid 2WIRE675 3055521207 |
| 16:04.28 | TiMiDo | whats wrong with that? |
| 16:04.40 | liable | TiMiDo: read the manpage |
| 16:04.50 | liable | your syntax is wrong |
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| 16:05.22 | liable | TiMiDo: look for key |
| 16:05.30 | TiMiDo | i have the key |
| 16:05.46 | liable | so supply it with the correct syntax |
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| 16:05.52 | billybongo | TiMiDo: essid isn't the wep key |
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| 16:06.18 | TiMiDo | ? |
| 16:06.30 | billybongo | essid is where you put the network name |
| 16:06.42 | billybongo | like timidos_place |
| 16:06.55 | TiMiDo | iwconfig wlan0 2WIRE675 3055521207 :s like that? |
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| 16:07.08 | liable | TiMiDo: there must be a thousand fucking articles on how to configure a wireless interface in linux. stop being boneheaded |
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| 16:07.38 | kelvinq | TiMiDo: it's --> iwconfig wlan0 essid 2WIRE675 enc on key 3055521207 |
| 16:07.52 | kelvinq | liable: why are you so not nice to him? |
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| 16:08.07 | kelvinq | liable: we were all newbies. |
| 16:08.28 | kelvinq | TiMiDo: does that work? |
| 16:08.59 | liable | kelvinq: please dont be one of those guys that expects people to just spew the correct answer for people without trying to make that person at least try and find out the answer for himself |
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| 16:09.08 | TiMiDo | yeah kelvinq |
| 16:09.10 | TiMiDo | i guess |
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| 16:09.53 | billybongo | TBH I've got time for anyone who wants to use the command line for this kind of thing, when it's so easy in the gui ;-) |
| 16:09.56 | kelvinq | liable: yeah, i get your point. but... "thousand fucking articles" and "boneheaded" is unnecessary. |
| 16:10.29 | kelvinq | liable: but you're right on being getting people "to try for themselves". |
| 16:10.54 | nubbun | stew: my ktorrent thinks debian-testing-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent is not seeded. |
| 16:11.00 | liable | kelvinq: ever heard of the teaching a man to fish anaolgy? seeing as though i have never seen you here before, and the fact that doing what you did explained nothing leads to him coming back for more answers which are easily accessable and documented |
| 16:11.08 | stew | nubbun: what is the url? |
| 16:11.23 | stew | nubbun: oh, the testing images change so frequently that they often aren't seeded |
| 16:11.23 | JordiGH | Hm, would someone be as generous as to compile some of my code in a 32-bit Debian? |
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| 16:11.31 | grendal_prime | there is the hole teach a man to fish thing.. |
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| 16:11.56 | kelvinq | kelvinq: no no no... i'm completely supportive of THAT concept, but i think we should mind our language! |
| 16:11.58 | stew | JordiGH: pbuilder would happy to do it for you! |
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| 16:12.55 | liable | kelvinq: if you want to help here, get used to the occasional swear word. words like fuck are just an expression these days, not to be taken personally. |
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| 16:13.11 | stew | nubbun: use jigdo, it should be faster than bittorrent anyway |
| 16:13.15 | JordiGH | stew: I can't figure out how to use it. :-/ |
| 16:13.32 | stew | JordiGH: are you trying to compile a debian pacakge? or something else? |
| 16:13.34 | kelvinq | liable: and... "boneheaded" is also an expression? |
| 16:13.36 | JordiGH | !info brainfuck |
| 16:13.43 | JordiGH | stew: Something else, just my personal code. |
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| 16:13.51 | nubbun | stew: I've had much trouble with jigdo. |
| 16:14.12 | soulchild | Hi all,... I am working at a unversity in germany, and we have about 150 Clients, running Linux. I am looking for a monitoring tool, to check for example lspci, uname -r, processes, etc. any suggestions ? |
| 16:14.17 | stew | JordiGH: yeah then pbuilder won't help |
| 16:14.35 | nubbun | stew: jigdo = bad images, re-downloading unnecessarily. |
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| 16:14.52 | stew | nubbun: file a bug |
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| 16:15.11 | liable | kelvinq: you are taking what i said too personally. get used to terse on direct dialog on irc. its not meant to be insulting, but to try and get a point across. |
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| 16:15.24 | stew | nubbun: is there a reason you are downloading the entire DVD and not just using a netinst or the first CD? |
| 16:15.26 | liable | s/on/and/ |
| 16:15.34 | nubbun | stew: got some more bugs to file first. Like for against SPARC in lenny. But first I need to re-install. |
| 16:15.50 | nubbun | stew: PPPOE is not on the CD. |
| 16:16.03 | kelvinq | liable: nothing personal, but i don't think we should be this un-nice to new folks. |
| 16:16.35 | nubbun | stew: I need PPPOE to use my DSL. |
| 16:17.03 | JordiGH | If someone is awesome enough to compile this, the code is at http://inversethought.com/jordi/hg, and the build-deps should just be libgsl0-dev and libboost-dev |
| 16:17.11 | hoxu | kelvinq, just accept the fact you'll step on people's toes, especially on irc... do it on purpose instead, that way it's not as offensive. |
| 16:17.23 | JordiGH | Compilation should just be typing "make" in the source directory; it's already set up to do static linking. |
| 16:17.50 | kelvinq | hoxu: looks like i'm the boneheaded one here then! ;) |
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| 16:18.19 | zetaexmachina | debian newb here, after installing firmware iwlwifi 0.12 how do i actually use it? |
| 16:18.26 | liable | kelvinq: there is a line. and its a very definate line. if you want nice and coddling without techinical stuff, go to #ubuntu. if you want sometimes terse but correct and what may seem a little inappropriate for a new user, then stay here. |
| 16:18.40 | JordiGH | zetaexmachina: You don't do anything, your wireless just magically works! |
| 16:18.41 | hoxu | kelvinq, yeah, if you don't like the atmosphere here, feel free to go to #sparkle-ponies or whatever! ;) |
| 16:18.42 | stew | nubbun: wget http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-LennyBeta2-i386-CD-1.jigdo -O- | zgrep pppoe -> FgYqyTCh06aPw6-y_Hb5yA=Debian:pool/main/p/pppoeconf/pppoeconf_1.17_all.deb |
| 16:18.46 | stew | nubbun: its on cd1 |
| 16:19.17 | zetaexmachina | JordiGH well it doesn't magically work |
| 16:19.50 | billybongo | zetaexmachina: what are you trying to do with it and how? |
| 16:19.56 | nubbun | stew: pppoeconf is but not pppoe |
| 16:20.16 | nubbun | stew: at least that is how it seems to me |
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| 16:20.18 | zetaexmachina | I'm trying to get the wifi for my t61P working |
| 16:20.36 | zetaexmachina | i've installed the firmware and drivers |
| 16:20.40 | zetaexmachina | using dpkg |
| 16:21.12 | liable | kelvinq: we have done this to death, and #debian has lost many very knowledgable people as a result. but its quite a nice channel now compared to a few years ago. If you want experienced users to participate in a channel, then you have realize that they wont answer the same stupid questions, day in, day out, without some sort of annoyance. |
| 16:21.14 | kelvinq | liable, hoxu: alright, but i'll be still nicer to people. |
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| 16:21.32 | stew | liable: if someone is being boneheaded, just /ignore them, kelvinq: if someone is using language you don't like, /ignore them, lets please just move on... |
| 16:21.39 | zetaexmachina | dmesg | grep iwl shows iwl3945, iwl4965 |
| 16:21.48 | zetaexmachina | but for some reason it's just not detecting any wireless networks |
| 16:21.55 | zetaexmachina | like i can enable and disable it |
| 16:22.00 | zetaexmachina | but i stlil dont see any wireless networks |
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| 16:22.09 | liable | stew: this isnt a flame war. its a level headed discussion |
| 16:22.09 | stew | zetaexmachina: did you install firmware? |
| 16:22.09 | zinx | zetaexmachina: does /sbin/iwconfig list your wireless device? |
| 16:22.10 | JordiGH | !iwlwifi |
| 16:22.11 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if you are switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
| 16:22.15 | kelvinq | zetaexmachina: what does your ifconfig looks lke? |
| 16:22.16 | n3kl | Can someone tell me if acpi-support functionality has changed? I have acpi-support installed, and when I press a multimedia key, such as fn+volup, I expect there to be something in the acpi logs to tell me I have done so. this is not happeneing with lenny. |
| 16:22.21 | JordiGH | zetaexmachina: Did you modprobe? |
| 16:22.38 | liable | stew: boneheaded was a metaphor |
| 16:22.57 | zetaexmachina | yes i've modprobed iwl4965 |
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| 16:23.10 | liable | stew: and its wholly ontopic |
| 16:23.16 | stew | liable: no, it isn't |
| 16:23.28 | stew | liable: and no, you shouldn't call people boneheaded |
| 16:23.28 | zetaexmachina | and /sbin/iwconfig says "no wireless extensions" |
| 16:23.37 | stew | zetaexmachina: did you install firmware? |
| 16:23.41 | JordiGH | zetaexmachina: I hate to say this, but what happens if you just try to reboot? :-) |
| 16:23.42 | datacrusher | how do i use ls, to see the folder total size? |
| 16:23.45 | n3kl | zetaexmachina: did you install the firmware? |
| 16:23.50 | zetaexmachina | i already restarted x |
| 16:23.53 | SerajewelKS | datacrusher: man du |
| 16:24.00 | JordiGH | zetaexmachina: No, restart Lunix. |
| 16:24.11 | zetaexmachina | i already dpkg -i firmware_iwlwifi_0.12 (the lenny version) |
| 16:24.14 | zinx | zetaexmachina: you need firmware-iwlwifi installed, and the 5100ABG isn't supported in 2.6.26 (but should be in 2.6.27), there are some reports of laptop makers putting 5100ABGs and claiming they have 4965ABGs |
| 16:24.15 | SerajewelKS | !lunix |
| 16:24.15 | dpkg | [lunix] a unix clone for c64. It supports slip with telnet over serial You can connect multiple c64's together. You can get 7 of these into a Beowulf :). http://hld.c64.org/poldi/lunix/lunix.html |
| 16:24.20 | zetaexmachina | ok i'll restart linux |
| 16:24.31 | JordiGH | zetaexmachina: Wait, are you getting the lenny firmware for etch? |
| 16:24.32 | stew | zetaexmachina: there is no reason to restart |
| 16:24.34 | nubbun | stew: thanks for brainstorming for me though. |
| 16:24.44 | zetaexmachina | no im using lenny |
| 16:24.51 | liable | stew: it wasnt meant as an insult. have never used similar words to try an elicite a reaction to get a positive result? |
| 16:24.53 | zetaexmachina | so using lenny hardware for lenny |
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| 16:25.13 | JordiGH | zetaexmachina: You *are* using at least 2.6.18 or so? |
| 16:25.18 | JordiGH | 2.6.22, sorry |
| 16:25.21 | JordiGH | Linux, I mean. |
| 16:25.36 | zetaexmachina | kernel? yes, uname -r spits out 2.6.24 i think |
| 16:25.58 | stew | zetaexmachina: unload and reload the modoule and check the last 10 or so lines of dmesg to see if it gives any obvious errors |
| 16:26.06 | stew | (like a filed to load firmware error) |
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| 16:26.46 | JordiGH | Linux is a kernel. :-) |
| 16:27.14 | SerajewelKS | captain obvious? |
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| 16:27.29 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: People forget this obviousness. |
| 16:27.46 | SerajewelKS | i guess i don't know who you're telling this to |
| 16:28.00 | zetaexmachina | no obvious errors, already did modprobe -r iwl4965 and then modprobe iwl4965 |
| 16:28.25 | JordiGH | You sure it's not iwl3965? |
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| 16:29.38 | n3kl | Anyone know why acpi does not generate a log message when I press an acpi key? |
| 16:29.43 | zetaexmachina | no dice |
| 16:29.53 | zetaexmachina | i tried loading iwl3945 as well |
| 16:29.58 | billybongo | zetaexmachina: what does dmesg say around the point where it should be loading a firmware? |
| 16:30.05 | SerajewelKS | n3kl: since when is "volume up" a power management key |
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| 16:30.24 | SerajewelKS | n3kl: iirc it registers as another keyboard key |
| 16:30.25 | n3kl | SerajewelKS: its not. But it is an acpi event. |
| 16:30.39 | meme | Heya, we just got a set up a new server with a SATA DVD Burner. I have installed Debian. It detects the regular DVD ROM Drive and SATA Hard Drives (which I set up in RAID), but it does not detect the SATA DVD Burner, any idea why? |
| 16:30.43 | zetaexmachina | um.. dmesg says "iwl:4965 Intel (R) Wireless Wifi Link 4965AGN driver for linux, 1.1.17ks |
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| 16:31.02 | stew | zetaexmachina: are you sure you ahve a iwl4965? |
| 16:31.20 | billybongo | zetaexmachina: what does lspci say? |
| 16:31.21 | cahoot | zetaexmachina: no complaints about firmware? |
| 16:31.27 | billybongo | billybongo: or is it usb? |
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| 16:32.01 | datacrusher | so, if i backup my /etc folder, if i just install debian again and overwrite the files my system is up again? |
| 16:32.12 | liable | zetaexmachina: paste your dmesg somewhere. but first check ifconfig -a |
| 16:32.52 | zetaexmachina | Ethernet Controller for lspci says: Ethernet Controller: Atheros Communications. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
| 16:33.05 | liable | uh |
| 16:33.05 | JordiGH | zetaexmachina: You're using the wrong driver! |
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| 16:33.13 | JordiGH | zetaexmachina: That's madwifi, not iwlwifi. |
| 16:33.19 | zetaexmachina | oh |
| 16:33.25 | zetaexmachina | er lol =P |
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| 16:33.37 | JordiGH | !madwifi |
| 16:33.37 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. AR5008 now supported in lenny. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:33.38 | zetaexmachina | should i just dl the deb package and install the madwifi drivers? |
| 16:33.47 | liable | JordiGH: no |
| 16:33.50 | JordiGH | zetaexmachina: listen to dpkg ^^ |
| 16:34.07 | liable | that chipset has been in mailnine for a while now |
| 16:34.28 | liable | zetaexmachina: which kernel? |
| 16:34.28 | SerajewelKS | atheros in mainline can be buggy though |
| 16:34.41 | SerajewelKS | on 2.6.26 ath5k doesn't work for my chipset, but ath_pci does |
| 16:34.43 | zetaexmachina | 2.6.24-1-amd64 |
| 16:34.46 | liable | SerajewelKS: so is madwifi... |
| 16:34.58 | liable | zetaexmachina: ath5k should work fine |
| 16:35.18 | liable | well, at least work |
| 16:35.19 | SerajewelKS | liable: indeed. but buggy in different ways. at least madwifi works. :) |
| 16:35.39 | zetaexmachina | ath5k? ok |
| 16:35.49 | zetaexmachina | time to manually dl them lol |
| 16:35.56 | zetaexmachina | no access to dpkg on my other laptop |
| 16:35.58 | zetaexmachina | er |
| 16:35.58 | liable | SerajewelKS: i was using ath5k when it first came out and it worked on 5212. but stuff changes ;) |
| 16:35.59 | zetaexmachina | apt-get* |
| 16:36.19 | SerajewelKS | liable: indeed. i think someone said my chipset works in 2.6.27, which of course is not in debian yet because of the lenny freeze. |
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| 16:36.29 | liable | SerajewelKS: eeepc? |
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| 16:36.43 | liable | 2425 |
| 16:36.44 | SerajewelKS | liable: no, some HP deal |
| 16:36.51 | SerajewelKS | i think it might be 2425, yes |
| 16:37.19 | n3kl | I used to be able to generate acpi events with lid close/vga button keys in etch. Has this changed? |
| 16:37.33 | liable | old atheros chips, ath5k has worked well on for a while |
| 16:37.33 | SerajewelKS | liable: 03:00.0 0200: 168c:001c (rev 01) |
| 16:37.53 | SerajewelKS | liable: whatever that card, ath5k in 2.6.26 recognizes but does the faraday cage thing |
| 16:38.58 | zetaexmachina | does module assistant need internet access? |
| 16:39.07 | liable | SerajewelKS: i have 4 atheros cards. and am active in debain-eeepc. i know most of the issues :) |
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| 16:39.14 | SerajewelKS | zetaexmachina: if you don't have the requred -source packages then yes |
| 16:39.26 | SerajewelKS | zetaexmachina: or if you don't have kernel headers or build-essential |
| 16:39.29 | zetaexmachina | because I have to manually download everything on my windoze machine first |
| 16:39.39 | SerajewelKS | liable: there ya go then. fix that card. :) |
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| 16:40.01 | stew | zetaexmachina: you need to install build-essential and its dependencies, the linux-headers package for your running kernel, and the -source package of the module you are trying to compile |
| 16:40.13 | zetaexmachina | hmm |
| 16:40.19 | zetaexmachina | alright |
| 16:40.23 | zetaexmachina | god i miss apt |
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| 16:41.56 | n3kl | Ok, So apparantly noone uses acpi-support. |
| 16:42.12 | n3kl | What is now the common method to get multimedia keys working on a laptop? |
| 16:42.59 | JordiGH | n3kl: Buy the right laptop. :-) The multimedia keys magically worked on my Dellbuntu laptop when I installed Debian. :P |
| 16:43.06 | SerajewelKS | n3kl: they work fine over here, gnome detected them for me. if you don't use gnome though you might have more difficulty. |
| 16:43.07 | JordiGH | gloats. |
| 16:43.40 | n3kl | The keys are recognized my X, so I don't know how to get them to work |
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| 16:44.40 | hoxu | n3kl, what desktop environment are you using? |
| 16:46.42 | adama_ | n3kl: they are multimedia buttons? Configure your media player's keyboard shortcuts and use the "grab key" function and press it |
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| 16:46.57 | adama_ | is generally how to do it, if they are being caught by X |
| 16:47.10 | zetaexmachina | is there a way to use the package search on debian.org to automatically get all the dependencies of a package? |
| 16:47.11 | n3kl | Kde |
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| 16:48.31 | stew | zetaexmachina: when you look at the details of a package the depedencies have red dots next to them |
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| 16:48.46 | zetaexmachina | i know but those red dots have their own dependencies |
| 16:48.56 | zetaexmachina | like build-essential has like 6 dependencies |
| 16:49.01 | zetaexmachina | and each of them has like 2 dependencies |
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| 16:49.12 | zetaexmachina | it's not fun to get all of them using a laptop scrollpad |
| 16:49.41 | n3kl | See, I don't want this to be a DM function. I want the volume buttons to work in the console also. Which is what made acpi so handy on etch. |
| 16:49.42 | adama_ | zetaexmachina: write a php script that follows the red dots and downloads everything ;) |
| 16:49.42 | SerajewelKS | zetaexmachina: there's some apt program to do this for you... |
| 16:49.45 | stew | there is a tool to resolve all of the dependencies, though you can't run it under windows :P |
| 16:49.57 | zetaexmachina | serajewel, i'm on windoze, i can't use that apt program lol |
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| 16:50.20 | SerajewelKS | zetaexmachina: heh, install linux in a VM |
| 16:50.53 | adama_ | zetaexmachina: grab your debian disc, press eject, you know the rest... |
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| 16:52.50 | zetaexmachina | adama_ i have 1 debian disc |
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| 16:52.59 | zetaexmachina | and that's the CD-1 |
| 16:53.23 | zetaexmachina | i will never understand why it doesn't come with build-essential |
| 16:55.01 | JordiGH | Because you shouldn't need to compile stuff if you just want to get to a working Debian system. :-/ |
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| 16:56.18 | JordiGH | Btw, why does Linux refer to hardware address, not MAC address? |
| 16:56.28 | zetaexmachina | but those of us who are installing on a laptop and don't have access to a landcable it's a pain in the ass |
| 16:56.48 | JordiGH | zetaexmachina: Scavenge a landline somewhere. :-) |
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| 16:57.37 | adama_ | zetaexmachina: cant you plug the laptop into the ethernet your current windoze is on? |
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| 16:57.59 | n3kl | for xrandr to pick up other outputs, do I have to have a display section or something xorg.conf? |
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| 16:59.29 | n3kl | Ok, so here is another thing. I have pressed the wireless key switch button and it works, but there is never any log generated telling me that it executed something. Can I turn up logging or something for acpi? |
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| 16:59.48 | JordiGH | n3kl: Not anymore, xorg is supposed to figure that out without xorg.conf's help. If you *do* have stuff in xorg.conf, it might actually override xorg's own guesses. |
| 17:00.10 | jelly-home | n3kl: for randr-1.2 capable drivers, outputs are supposed to be hotpluggable (but not automatically enabled!) |
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| 17:00.38 | n3kl | so how do I enable them |
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| 17:00.47 | zetaexmachina | ok |
| 17:00.55 | n3kl | I had to put stuff in xorg.conf for my touchpad and nvidia driver and dpi stuff |
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| 17:01.03 | zetaexmachina | if my windoze system has access to the internet, can i get my debian installation to use my windoze system's internet? |
| 17:01.15 | basix | hello all...how do i install the latest 2.6.27 kernel? I'm running the latest sid kernel right now. I need it since my wifi is supported only in that kernel... |
| 17:01.19 | themill | n3kl: the wireless kill switch is often hardware-based. There's not necessarily anything being run so there's nothing to log. |
| 17:01.20 | abrotman | zetaexmachina: ask ##windows about Internet Connection Sharing |
| 17:01.39 | jelly-home | n3kl: "xrandr --output VGA --auto" worksforme; man xrandr? |
| 17:01.56 | bsund | is there any channel for debian kde? |
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| 17:02.07 | n3kl | themill: I tailed the logs, and it looks like the machine actuall does an ifdown on the interface. I am assuming that there is a daemon (acpid) that is watching for that button. |
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| 17:02.12 | adama_ | n3kl: xrandr --output <NAME (get from xrandr)> --auto ; xrandr --output <NAME> --left-of <EXISTING OUTPUT> |
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| 17:02.45 | adama_ | n3kl: for my dual monitors I have xrandr --output DVI-0 --auto; xrandr --output VGA-0 --auto; xrandr --output DVI-0 --left-of VGA-0 |
| 17:03.04 | adama_ | in a login script |
| 17:03.16 | themill | n3kl: that's also possible, but I've never seen that. Mostly hardware kill switches. |
| 17:03.18 | n3kl | adama_: how do I figure out the output names? |
| 17:03.21 | n3kl | like dvi-0 |
| 17:03.32 | abrotman | xrandr tells you how to list outputs |
| 17:03.34 | adama_ | just enter xrandr and it will list them with all their capabilities |
| 17:03.35 | basix | Intel 5100 AGN wifi adapter anybody? |
| 17:03.46 | adama_ | I think there's something like xrandr -l |
| 17:03.49 | abrotman | basix: still? |
| 17:03.56 | n3kl | ok, so xrandr is only detecting one of the outputs |
| 17:04.14 | abrotman | basix: maybe ask #wireless about which versions of the kernel/drivers have the ability to drive that |
| 17:04.39 | basix | abrotman, i know which version of the kernel has the drivers for it. i need help installing the kernel. |
| 17:04.56 | basix | abrotman, i want to install the latest 2.6.27 kernel on my debian machine.. |
| 17:04.57 | zetaexmachina | god this dependency hell is driving me nuts |
| 17:05.50 | abrotman | basix: i told you last night .. there is no .27 yet |
| 17:05.56 | abrotman | !tell basix about kp |
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| 17:06.31 | adama_ | there is a 2.6.27-RC4 or smt is there not? |
| 17:06.46 | basix | adama_, RC5 has been released |
| 17:06.48 | abrotman | i think it's rc5 now |
| 17:06.50 | themill | rc6... but rc != release candidate for the kernel |
| 17:06.56 | zetaexmachina | can someone just give me a madwifi-binary for 2.6.24-1-amd64? |
| 17:06.59 | abrotman | make that rc6 |
| 17:07.03 | zetaexmachina | i'm going crazy with dependency hell |
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| 17:07.08 | jelly-home | themill: um, that's _exactly_ what rc means? |
| 17:07.09 | abrotman | !tell zetaexmachina about madwifi-install |
| 17:07.10 | adama_ | well anyways he could install that |
| 17:07.18 | basix | abrotman, so i cant compile the kernel just yet? |
| 17:07.28 | abrotman | basix: you can try .. i recommend using kernel-package |
| 17:07.37 | themill | jelly-home: rc1 is not claimed to be release candidate quality so it's not really a release candidate. |
| 17:07.44 | basix | abrotman, okay |
| 17:07.58 | abrotman | basix: just remember that you're on your own for security issues |
| 17:07.59 | zetaexmachina | abrotman i can't use apt on m y laptop with debian |
| 17:08.03 | abrotman | whyn ot? |
| 17:08.12 | zetaexmachina | i cant get a land connection |
| 17:08.19 | abrotman | LAN |
| 17:08.20 | zetaexmachina | the router is hidden away in some other room |
| 17:08.23 | zetaexmachina | I don't have a LAN |
| 17:08.25 | abrotman | hidden? |
| 17:08.26 | jelly-home | themill: I won't argue that not even releases are release-candidate quality these days :-> |
| 17:08.27 | basix | abrotman, hmm...are they so critical? |
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| 17:08.34 | abrotman | basix: when they come .. |
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| 17:08.43 | zetaexmachina | abrotman, yes hidden as in locked away in some room where I don't have access |
| 17:08.48 | themill | jelly-home: if no-one actually expects something to be a candidate for immediate release, then it can hardly be called a release candidate... |
| 17:08.59 | abrotman | zetaexmachina: but you have a windows box that does have internet access ? |
| 17:09.05 | abrotman | zetaexmachina: via wifi or via LAN ? |
| 17:09.12 | zetaexmachina | yes, via wifi |
| 17:09.22 | zetaexmachina | i need to install madwifi on my debian box |
| 17:09.25 | abrotman | zetaexmachina: so ask ##windows about ICS(Internet Connection Sharing) |
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| 17:09.35 | basix | abrotman, okay |
| 17:10.03 | zetaexmachina | abrotman, i'm afraid even doing that while require me to apt-get a million packages |
| 17:10.03 | abrotman | zetaexmachina: that would let oyu use the LAN on both machines to get to the intarweb |
| 17:10.11 | abrotman | zetaexmachina: and what's the problem with that? |
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| 17:10.49 | dyma | witam |
| 17:10.55 | jelly-home | abrotman: hm, is there no factoid mentioning kernel-snapshots? |
| 17:11.00 | abrotman | make one ? |
| 17:11.27 | n3kl | So the multimedia keys work, they are monitored by acpid and there are no logs generated indicating that something has heppened |
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| 17:12.52 | jelly-home | That'd require me to connect to oftc and grab stuff from #d-kernel topic! |
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| 17:13.14 | der_hunne | hi |
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| 17:13.31 | abrotman | jelly-home: ask themill to get you the topic |
| 17:13.41 | der_hunne | Does anybody know, why apt-get ldap-account-manager doesn't work? |
| 17:13.50 | der_hunne | + install |
| 17:13.55 | jelly-home | abrotman: nah! |
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| 17:14.34 | stew | der_hunne: if that command gives you an error, show us |
| 17:14.35 | zetaexmachina | abrotman, i'd need to buy a crossover cable to use ICS... wtf |
| 17:15.02 | der_hunne | stew: can't find packet. It's the same with the phpldapadmin |
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| 17:16.33 | stew | der_hunne: show us the output of the acutal command you are running, and the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:16.58 | nagnag | Does anyone know where i can find an old "nagios2" package for debian testing i386 ? |
| 17:16.59 | adama_ | zetaexmachina: most modern NICs can autodetect and use a straight cable |
| 17:17.24 | stew | nagnag: there is a nagios3 package now |
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| 17:17.56 | der_hunne | stew: well, I'm using the german version |
| 17:18.05 | nagnag | stew i know, and thats why im asking. not ready for all config changes yet |
| 17:18.19 | stew | nagnag: use the nagios2 package from stable |
| 17:18.40 | nagnag | stew, ok thanks |
| 17:19.05 | stew | der_hunne: show us the output of "LANG=c apt-get install ldap-account-manager ; LANG=c apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 17:21.05 | dyma | jest ktoÅ z polski kto moglby mi pomoc? |
| 17:21.10 | der_hunne | stew: Reading package lists... Done, Building dependecy tree.. done, E: Couldn't find package ldap-account-manager |
| 17:21.24 | stew | !pl |
| 17:21.24 | dpkg | polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
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| 17:23.18 | n3kl | btw, nagios3 is working quite nicely for the last several months |
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| 17:25.23 | n3kl | Why doesn't su -s "dcopstart amarok" user work? |
| 17:25.45 | n3kl | I get "call failed" |
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| 17:26.43 | stew | n3kl: i think you want -c not -s |
| 17:26.56 | n3kl | er, yeah, thats the one that does't work |
| 17:27.25 | stew | n3kl: you want to run amarok as root? |
| 17:27.31 | n3kl | no |
| 17:27.47 | Kevin` | # mkswap /dev/hdb |
| 17:27.47 | Kevin` | mkswap: Will not try to make swapdevice on '%s' |
| 17:27.52 | Kevin` | how fix? |
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| 17:28.07 | n3kl | stew: as teh root user, I am typeing "su -c 'dcopstart amarok' user" |
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| 17:28.39 | stew | Kevin`: are you sure you want to use the entire drive and not a partition on the drive? |
| 17:28.44 | Kevin` | yes |
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| 17:29.26 | \amethyst | Kevin`: does -f help? |
| 17:29.30 | Kevin` | no |
| 17:29.45 | \amethyst | Kevin`: then you might have to create a partition |
| 17:29.53 | Kevin` | :/ |
| 17:29.58 | stew | heh, -f Force - go ahead even if the command is stupid. |
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| 17:30.37 | \amethyst | Kevin`: you lose maybe one sector that way |
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| 17:30.45 | karmatronic | hi guys |
| 17:30.56 | Kevin` | i'll just do it on the host, it lets me there.. is there a problem formatting on 32bit for 64bit? |
| 17:30.57 | jelly-home | \amethyst: more likely, 63 sectors by default |
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| 17:31.51 | \amethyst | jelly-home: oh, a whole track? |
| 17:31.51 | jelly-home | Kevin`: how old is that failing mkswap, btw? mkswap -V |
| 17:31.59 | karmatronic | is trying this xrdp stuff |
| 17:32.11 | stew | Kevin`: can you show us the output of "fdisk -l /dev/hdb"? |
| 17:32.28 | jelly-home | \amethyst: aye, /dev/sda1 : start= 63, size= 31471272, Id= 7, bootable |
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| 17:32.52 | Kevin` | Disk /dev/hdb doesn't contain a valid partition table |
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| 17:33.24 | stew | Kevin`: what kind of device is it? |
| 17:33.38 | Kevin` | stew: virtual hard drive |
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| 17:34.12 | stew | a what? |
| 17:34.45 | Kevin` | the computer is a xen vm |
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| 17:36.27 | Kevin` | mkswap from util-linux-2.12r |
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| 17:36.50 | stew | Kevin`: perhaps ask ##xen |
| 17:37.07 | Kevin` | I suppose it's worth a try. really is a debian issue though no? :) |
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| 17:38.02 | stew | Kevin`: does it work with a real hard drive? |
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| 17:38.42 | Kevin` | I don't have one free to try |
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| 17:43.17 | n3kl | So if xrandr is not detecting my other heads on my video card, what else can I do? |
| 17:43.52 | stew | n3kl: did you either explicitly turn them on or set them to auto? |
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| 17:44.00 | Kevin` | stew: http://rafb.net/p/eGCxnB50.html - it's a hardcoded check in the source |
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| 17:44.19 | n3kl | stew: yes, xrandr --output DVI-0 --auto does not work |
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| 17:44.34 | adama_ | n3kl: are your video drivers installed properly? |
| 17:44.52 | n3kl | adama_: its running and I am using the nvidia driver |
| 17:45.09 | n3kl | don't know how much more proper it could get |
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| 17:46.57 | embkas | knetwork manager doesn't start automatic - i have to start it, choose wireless accesspoint and write password each time - what do I do wrong? |
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| 17:47.17 | adama_ | n3kl: xrandr doesn't even mention your additional outputs like "S-video disconnected"? |
| 17:47.26 | n3kl | embkas: do you have a link or script to start it on login under ~/.kde/Autostart? |
| 17:48.03 | n3kl | adama_: no: http://pastebin.ca/1201185 |
| 17:48.18 | embkas | n3kl: no, in fact didn't know about that file |
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| 17:49.01 | n3kl | embkas: yeah, check that one out |
| 17:49.15 | n3kl | embkas: I like to link to the bin files for start up instead of hacking scripts |
| 17:49.29 | juanra | hi |
| 17:49.39 | n3kl | If anyone can help me get a second monitor working, here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/1201186 |
| 17:49.44 | juanra | is it possible to apply a patch against a tar.gz archive?? |
| 17:49.55 | ezguy | what is the command is turn off startup services? |
| 17:50.05 | n3kl | juanra: you have to untar it |
| 17:50.18 | embkas | no files in ~/.kde/Autostart . Should I just make a link in the catalogue to the bin-file starting knetwork manager? |
| 17:50.25 | juanra | n3kl: and then? please |
| 17:50.37 | n3kl | ezguy: update-rc.d |
| 17:50.50 | n3kl | ezguy: most people prefer to edit /etc/rc2.d manually |
| 17:51.08 | n3kl | juanra: and then man patch |
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| 17:53.03 | ezguy | it makes it easy if i just use update-rc.d, thanks |
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| 17:54.01 | n3kl | I like to: rename 's/S/K/' ???rsyncd er whatever |
| 17:55.15 | n3kl | Anyone see my xorg.conf paste? |
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| 17:56.04 | gza | hi |
| 17:56.25 | gza | if we installed memtest86 where would it be installed? |
| 17:56.32 | gza | using apt-get |
| 17:56.52 | embkas | what do I write in console to make a link named knetworkmanager pointing to /usr/bin/knetworkmanager |
| 17:56.55 | wols | gza: dpkg -L <package> |
| 17:57.04 | n3kl | gza: /boot |
| 17:57.05 | wols | gza: and memtest will be added to your grub menu |
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| 17:57.40 | gika | cheers all |
| 17:57.44 | n3kl | embkas: cd ~/.kde/Autostart/ && ln -s /usr/bin/knetworkmanager |
| 17:57.45 | gika | i have 1 question |
| 17:57.54 | gika | i use debian 4.0 etch kde |
| 17:58.06 | gza | wols n3kl ok thanks |
| 17:58.14 | gika | and it seems to be a bit of a problem with my internet connection |
| 17:58.36 | gika | the network manager shows me that im connected 100mb/s lan |
| 17:58.43 | gika | but i cant surf the net |
| 17:58.47 | wols | !enter |
| 17:58.47 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 17:58.55 | gika | does anyone knows how to fix this? |
| 17:59.08 | nkuttler | hm, do pop/imap clients use the MX record by default? |
| 17:59.14 | gza | wols n3kl: yeah it's sitting in the /boot |
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| 17:59.30 | wols | nkuttler: pop/imap is no mail exchange |
| 17:59.34 | gza | but on reboot it's not in the grub menu... |
| 17:59.41 | nkuttler | wols: ok. thought so... |
| 17:59.44 | embkas | n3kl: nice thanks :-9 |
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| 18:00.25 | gza | I take it you have to manually add it to grub using the provided examples... ? |
| 18:00.41 | n3kl | gza: its possible. |
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| 18:00.48 | wols | gza: output of /sbin/ifconfig /sbin/route and cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 18:01.05 | wols | gza: run update-grub once |
| 18:01.07 | Nom-_ | Hi all. Is there any way to 'downgrade' an ext2 filesystem so it works with older version of the ext2 tools? I used a recent distro to build a filesystem, which the release i need to run can't mount properly (complains about unsupported features) |
| 18:01.43 | wols | Nom-_: any special reason you can't use etch? |
| 18:01.43 | gza | wols: thanks that looks like it worked...Thank you |
| 18:02.07 | Nom-_ | wols: It's a development server which has to match the configuration of our production server |
| 18:02.11 | wols | gika: output of /sbin/ifconfig /sbin/route and cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 18:02.24 | SpeCon | hello i want to ssh with my terminal to my dedicated server. But the dedicated server is using sshS security connection. When i do ssh ip -l username i can't connect how can i use sshs in terminal ? |
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| 18:02.35 | wols | Nom-_: doesn't answer. except etch there is no debian supported especially not as production server |
| 18:02.43 | gza | wols: ok I thought when you were asking me about ifconfig stuff you were trying to hack my box ;) |
| 18:02.46 | n3kl | what the hell is sshs |
| 18:03.27 | Nom-_ | if the answer is that it's not possible, then i'll find an old bootdisk and rsync the filesystem again... is that the case? |
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| 18:04.06 | gza | wols: n3kl thanks again! :) |
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| 18:06.30 | n3kl | Ok, so I have completely removed my xorg config, reconfigured it using dpkg-reconfigure, fired up X, and checked the output of xrandr -q, it still does not report any other outputs, so I don't think it is a problem with my xorg.conf |
| 18:06.51 | n3kl | I have tried the nv and the nvidia driver, and both produce nearly the same effect |
| 18:07.08 | n3kl | so am I a sol to get a second monitor attached to this machine? |
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| 18:07.24 | SpeCon | hello i want to ssh with my terminal to my dedicated server. But the dedicated server is using sshS security connection. When i do ssh ip -l username i can't connect how can i use sshs in terminal ? |
| 18:07.36 | stew | n3kl: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:07.48 | n3kl | yeah, I and I said "what the hell is sshs" |
| 18:07.49 | stew | n3kl: you may be out of luck using xrandr to configure a second head |
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| 18:07.49 | wols | n3kl: did you use twinview when using nvidia? |
| 18:07.49 | n3kl | stew: lenny |
| 18:08.00 | n3kl | wols: no |
| 18:08.11 | stew | n3kl: are you using the minimal xorg.conf that dpkg-reconfigure generates? |
| 18:08.17 | n3kl | wols: I did paste my xorg.conf if you would like to take a look |
| 18:08.22 | n3kl | stew: I have tried both |
| 18:08.42 | embkas | stew: what about ssh username@server |
| 18:08.49 | stew | n3kl: you could probably get your second head working by explicitly specifying the second device/monitor/screen (as described in the xinerama howto) |
| 18:08.51 | n3kl | the bare metal that comes with dpkg-reconfigure is not enough. But I did test that to see if there was a problem with my xorg.conf |
| 18:09.08 | stew | embkas: huh? |
| 18:09.27 | n3kl | stew: alright, I have no problem doing that. I am pretty familiar with the xorg.conf. I was just trying to do it the lenny way. |
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| 18:09.48 | leoechevarria | hi people |
| 18:09.49 | stew | n3kl: i wouldn't be suprised if nvidia hsan't fully implemented randr yet, you might ask in #nvidia |
| 18:10.02 | embkas | now knetworkmanager starts in login, but I have to manually start it, and write in the password - what do I do to save password and enable automatic connection? |
| 18:10.06 | n3kl | wols: should I be using twinview or seperate screens? |
| 18:10.35 | stew | embkas: you are asking about how to get your DE to save your ssh password? |
| 18:10.39 | leoechevarria | anybody knows how to tell dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools not to work with 2.6.26 (the last kernel i got installed) in order to reconfigure 2.6.24 (the one i'm using right now)? |
| 18:10.40 | n3kl | stew: I am pretty sure they have, but I might check in there anyway. I have other machines running etch that have not issues with nvidia drivers and using xrandr |
| 18:11.01 | stew | n3kl: etch using xrandr to configure a second head? |
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| 18:11.20 | n3kl | stew: yeah, on a nvidia 7600 |
| 18:11.23 | stew | n3kl: i thought that required 1.2 which wasn't in etch? or did that go in with etchnhalf? |
| 18:11.25 | embkas | stew: yes, and to connect to known network automatically |
| 18:11.57 | stew | embkas: are you using key based login or a password to login with ssh? |
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| 18:12.16 | n3kl | stew: ok, so actaully, let me clarify. I set the xorg.conf to configure both monitors on start up, once in X, I can usr xrandr to turn one of them off so I can play half life or something, the once I am done, I can turn it back on again with xrandr |
| 18:12.17 | embkas | key based |
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| 18:12.37 | stew | embkas: run ssh-add |
| 18:12.50 | n3kl | stew: so perhaps its not completely enabled or supported or whatever |
| 18:12.52 | quentusrex | I have an MS access database being shared on my debian samba server. I want to be able to create a lamp front end for running reports on the Access database. What is the best way to interface the MS Access database into php? |
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| 18:13.36 | n3kl | other than the samba, how is that any relation to debian? |
| 18:13.40 | embkas | stew: thanks |
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| 18:14.34 | cr3 | is there a way to tail a file with a timeout? tail | grep foo | read -t 5 line |
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| 18:16.07 | abrotman | quentusrex: PHP has MS Access extensions IIRC |
| 18:16.35 | n3kl | cr3: "with timeout"? |
| 18:17.08 | n3kl | abrotman: I am nearly certian that is the case |
| 18:18.10 | cr3 | n3kl: I would like to somehow be able to timeout if some pattern, such as foo in the above example, is not matched in the tail after a number of seconds |
| 18:18.32 | cr3 | n3kl: unfortunately, I could only use dash instead of potentially using bash signals |
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| 18:20.18 | BillaBong- | my network card Realtek don't work |
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| 18:28.40 | pozic | I have a file of type uuencoded or xxencoded text. How do I get something human readable out of it? |
| 18:28.41 | n3kl | cr3: i'm at a loss man, not sure |
| 18:29.04 | n3kl | cr3: you could do a watch 'if [ `grep... or something perhaps |
| 18:29.10 | kenjy | how can I know how a package was built? |
| 18:29.26 | stew | kenjy: what do you mean? |
| 18:29.45 | kenjy | stew: I wanna know the way how a debian package was built? |
| 18:29.49 | cr3 | n3kl: cool! I didn't know about watch, thanks for the tip |
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| 18:30.14 | n3kl | cr3: I am sure you can figure something out, good luck |
| 18:30.21 | stew | kenjy: /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
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| 18:30.30 | stew | pozic: uudecode it |
| 18:30.40 | sulon | is aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 secure enough for disk encryption, or is it only a "fail safe" default for cryptsetup? |
| 18:30.55 | kenjy | stew that don't help |
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| 18:31.10 | stew | kenjy: what information are you looking for that isn't in debian/rules? |
| 18:31.20 | kenjy | stew: where are the debian rules? |
| 18:31.37 | stew | kenjy: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 18:31.45 | kenjy | msg dpkg debian/rule |
| 18:31.47 | kenjy | msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 18:31.59 | stew | dpkg: tell kenjy about debian/rules |
| 18:32.02 | stew | dpkg: tell kenjy about source |
| 18:32.45 | stew | kenjy: debian/rules would tell you, for instance, what ./configure --options are being used when compiling a package, if that is what you are after |
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| 18:34.34 | kenjy | tnks stew |
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| 18:37.12 | JyZyXEL | hmm cacti is meant for monitoring remote computers |
| 18:37.18 | JyZyXEL | is there anything for local? |
| 18:37.37 | nux | i'd be willing to bet cacti can monitor local machines |
| 18:37.44 | nux | setup the daemon or listener on the local machine |
| 18:37.49 | nux | and just point it to monitor localhost |
| 18:37.58 | JyZyXEL | it was some weird SNMP monitoring thingy |
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| 18:38.25 | JyZyXEL | i couldn't make any sense out of it |
| 18:38.30 | nux | but, i know nagios does local for a fact |
| 18:38.46 | JyZyXEL | nagios is a monster |
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| 18:39.31 | cmatheson | gnome-terminal is too slow for this old machine i'm working on, so i think i'm going to start using one of the more traditional terms, but i really don't like xterm's default font. can anyone suggest a good non-ttf monospace font? |
| 18:39.41 | JyZyXEL | guess ill just try cacti again |
| 18:39.51 | tarzeau | cmatheson: how old is that machine? |
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| 18:40.03 | tarzeau | cmatheson: i'm using terminal.app |
| 18:40.23 | cmatheson | tarzeau: it's not *that* old, it's a pentium 4, but it just can't handle scrolling text at all (maybe because i have two monitors hooked up?) |
| 18:40.36 | tarzeau | cmatheson: i like my ocr.fnt, i think i had some x bitmap font of it somewhere, i also like the amiga fonts for x terms |
| 18:40.53 | cmatheson | tarzeau: cool, i'll have to check that out--are those in the repositories? |
| 18:41.01 | tarzeau | cmatheson: definitely not the amount of monitors. gnome term is just bad slow shit. i have 4 monitors hooked at mine |
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| 18:41.42 | cmatheson | tarzeau: haha, ok. i hadn't noticed gnome-terminal being so bad these days on my home box, but i guess it still sucks if you're not way up to date |
| 18:41.47 | tarzeau | cmatheson: no, http://gnu.ethz.ch/example-data/fonts/ocr.pcf |
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| 18:42.16 | abrotman | how is that a good alternative? |
| 18:42.20 | tarzeau | cmatheson: i really love terminal.app for its ability to use truetype fonts: |
| 18:42.33 | abrotman | cmatheson: you can change xterm's font |
| 18:42.34 | cmatheson | tarzeau: awesome, i'm installing it now, thanks |
| 18:42.37 | JyZyXEL | god damn cacti |
| 18:42.43 | JyZyXEL | what snmp package do i need with it |
| 18:42.44 | nux | cmatheson: check your video drivers if scrolling text gives it an issue |
| 18:42.47 | nux | i use aterm personally |
| 18:43.02 | abrotman | anything is better than installing GNUStep stuff! |
| 18:43.05 | abrotman | :) |
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| 18:44.19 | hjb | Hi. I've updated my gnome lenny system today and since it starts gnome-power-manager every time after i've hibernated or suspended my sys.... |
| 18:44.30 | tarzeau | cmatheson: http://gnu.ethz.ch/backgrounds/screenshots/slides/screen.html |
| 18:44.44 | hjb | that sucks. Anyone knows why this happens? |
| 18:44.49 | abrotman | your what? |
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| 18:44.54 | cmatheson | tarzeau: dang, Terminal.app is fast |
| 18:45.03 | tarzeau | cmatheson: try meta-n |
| 18:45.11 | tarzeau | cmatheson: and its superior menu |
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| 18:45.19 | Saar | quoting preseed.cfg: ".. or use the apt-install and in-target commands to easily install packages and run commands in the target system." Where can I find documentation about these commands? |
| 18:45.31 | tarzeau | cmatheson: AND fully xterm compatible |
| 18:45.46 | cmatheson | tarzeau: well awesome, thanks, i think this settles my problem |
| 18:45.50 | tarzeau | Saar: you can have a look at mine? http://debian.ethz.ch/d-i/ the p file |
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| 18:46.01 | hjb | Or espacially anyone knows how i can prevent starting? I don't want to remove gnome-power-manager entirely |
| 18:46.15 | tarzeau | Saar: the very bottom lines are of interest |
| 18:46.21 | hedgehoginfog | How do I change the language GTK applications start in? |
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| 18:46.45 | Saar | right |
| 18:46.52 | JyZyXEL | what SNMP you wanna use with Cacti? |
| 18:46.56 | JyZyXEL | snmpd? |
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| 18:47.10 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: LANG=foo <application> |
| 18:47.22 | Saar | but I need to know the exact syntax of apt-install |
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| 18:47.53 | zahna | what is the Debian Way of automatically setting an interface promiscuous? |
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| 18:48.29 | stew | zahna: you could use a post-up in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 18:49.18 | zahna | stew: so there's nothing i can specify in /etc/network/interfaces like "promisc"? |
| 18:49.22 | Catoptromancy | Any way to use businesscard iso installer with WPA wireless? |
| 18:49.30 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman: how do I change that on a regular basis? |
| 18:49.31 | Saar | I tried a chroot /target and then to apt-install packages, but for some odd reason it gets stuck in the chroot before it can do anything else, I thought I try to avoid it by using apt-install and in-target to install stuff |
| 18:49.51 | zahna | stew: how does one specify a post-up in the interfaces file? |
| 18:50.00 | stew | zahna: man interfaces |
| 18:50.08 | zahna | ah right |
| 18:50.30 | hjb | Noone? Damn, i'm always asking the wrong questions :-D |
| 18:50.35 | zahna | i was looking on the man page for a promisc flag, but didn't think of looking for a post-up section :) |
| 18:50.52 | Amaranth | cheers all |
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| 18:50.59 | Saar | tarzeau: your examples don't seem to show how an apt-install syntax looks like |
| 18:51.03 | Amaranth | 1 question |
| 18:51.22 | Amaranth | im running deb 4.0 etch kde and i cant connect to the internet |
| 18:51.26 | tarzeau | Saar: it gets S99install, check that file please |
| 18:51.34 | Amaranth | the network manager shows that im connected |
| 18:51.40 | Amaranth | but i cant surf the net |
| 18:51.49 | Amaranth | anyone has any ideea why? |
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| 18:51.53 | Saar | oh ok |
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| 18:52.05 | hjb | Amaranth what does 'ping www.google.de' say? |
| 18:52.13 | Amaranth | nothing |
| 18:52.15 | nubbun | Amaranth: ip route <-- shows a default route? |
| 18:52.22 | Amaranth | i dunno |
| 18:52.29 | nubbun | Amaranth: find out |
| 18:52.36 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: alias ? |
| 18:52.39 | Amaranth | check this |
| 18:52.41 | Amaranth | http://paste.debian.net/17102/ |
| 18:52.59 | simonrvn | alias or ip addr secondary |
| 18:53.11 | JyZyXEL | how the fuck do you get cacti to record internet activity |
| 18:53.22 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: really ... |
| 18:53.29 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman: alias? Isn't there some mysterious system file I need to edit? something like gtkrc? |
| 18:53.43 | simonrvn | give it a kick in the ass, give it one of these: ,.|.., then proceed |
| 18:53.45 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: you can change your lang for everything .. but that didn't sound like something oyu wanted |
| 18:53.48 | JyZyXEL | i've spent hours reading the damn manuals and i can't figure it out |
| 18:54.08 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman: ohm you meant an alias for bash? |
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| 18:54.34 | nubbun | Amaranth: do you have a firewall up? |
| 18:54.34 | simonrvn | oops, ignore me, i had 2 issues mixed up... |
| 18:54.40 | Amaranth | on deb no |
| 18:54.47 | Amaranth | maybe is the one from the isp |
| 18:54.48 | Amaranth | ? |
| 18:54.51 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman: no, I just want all GTK applications to start in english at all times |
| 18:55.08 | Saar | tarzeau: so in what part do you make sure that your root is /target ? |
| 18:55.13 | nubbun | Amaranth: your paste looks fine to me |
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| 18:55.19 | Amaranth | i know |
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| 18:55.20 | BankHead | sup |
| 18:55.29 | Amaranth | so where is the problem? |
| 18:55.31 | BankHead | you tell me ;) |
| 18:55.40 | tarzeau | Saar: S99install is the thing that runs after the debian installer is finished and booted |
| 18:55.40 | Amaranth | i use the same modem adsl on windows |
| 18:55.43 | Amaranth | right noe |
| 18:55.50 | Amaranth | now |
| 18:55.52 | tarzeau | Saar: that is there's no more /target, there's the final / |
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| 18:55.55 | Amaranth | and it works |
| 18:56.06 | Amaranth | but i had to install the modem from a cd |
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| 18:56.23 | Amaranth | and the same thing shows that im connected |
| 18:56.26 | nubbun | Amaranth: maybe your provider requires PPPOE. |
| 18:56.39 | Amaranth | but to get acces to the net i have to compose a number |
| 18:56.42 | Amaranth | something like |
| 18:57.18 | Amaranth | nubbun pppo isnt for dialup? |
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| 18:58.18 | nubbun | Amaranth: does your ISP require a user name & password? Yes. But some (many) lame ISPs require you to establish a PPP session to them to authenticate. |
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| 18:58.33 | Amaranth | nubbun yes it does |
| 18:58.40 | Amaranth | but without a proper username |
| 18:58.42 | Amaranth | and pass |
| 18:58.51 | Amaranth | i just press compose |
| 18:58.58 | nubbun | Amaranth: Point to Point Protocol Over Ethernet. Get packages pppoe, pppoeconf |
| 18:58.58 | Amaranth | and im authenticated |
| 18:59.04 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: i'm not aware of anythign . maybe ask on irc.gnome.org |
| 18:59.09 | Amaranth | and after i install them? |
| 18:59.18 | nubbun | Amaranth: i don't know what you mean by that 'compose' |
| 18:59.25 | Amaranth | follow th same sequence like in win? |
| 18:59.29 | Amaranth | dial |
| 18:59.39 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman: do you think LANG=en_US will help? |
| 18:59.46 | abrotman | where? |
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| 18:59.55 | abrotman | you can try it .. what's the worst that happens? :) |
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| 19:00.33 | nubbun | Amaranth: you can feed pppoeconf a user and pass and it will establish a PPPOE link with PAP authentication. If you need CHAP authentication, you will need to set that up more 'by hand'. |
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| 19:01.40 | Amaranth | ok |
| 19:01.46 | Amaranth | i will give it a try |
| 19:01.49 | Amaranth | thanks alot |
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| 19:07.47 | n3kl | How do I enable the randr extention on xorg? |
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| 19:09.28 | mbroeker | n3kl, should be built-in: check grep RANDR /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:10.32 | n3kl | mbroeker: I have been hacking up my xorg.conf. Its not loading now |
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| 19:11.45 | n3kl | Can you not use xinerama and xrandr together? |
| 19:12.24 | zinx | you can use them together with some drivers |
| 19:12.41 | zinx | advanced stuff like rotating may not work |
| 19:12.55 | JDigital | so |
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| 19:13.36 | n3kl | zinx: well enabling a second screen and loading xinerama has broken the randr extention it seems |
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| 19:14.25 | zinx | n3kl: then apparently your drivers don't support using them together :/ |
| 19:15.46 | n3kl | possible bug? |
| 19:16.09 | zinx | missing feature, more likely. |
| 19:16.13 | n3kl | regardless of the second screen now, enableing xinerama, and logging into X, then doing xrandr, reports missing extention or somehting like that |
| 19:16.23 | zinx | check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:16.29 | n3kl | I am |
| 19:17.14 | n3kl | it says randr loads, which is why I think it should work |
| 19:17.23 | bonez45 | I can't get my NIC to respond.. it worked at one location; I moved the box to home, hooked up..and know that other PC's on same network are getting a signal.. but when i run ipup -a I get that it can't find eth0 |
| 19:17.52 | visik7 | dh_clean: Sorry, but 6 is the highest compatibility level supported by this debhelper. where dh_clean search for the compat level ? |
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| 19:19.36 | jelly-home | visik7: debian/compat ? |
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| 19:20.04 | visik7 | jelly-home: yes thanks |
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| 19:21.00 | icewmer | hi, i am running gnu/linux with X, GDM and icewm. i want a flatmate to use my laptop but with as far as the gui is concerned i do not want him to see anything but firefox and pidgin. How can i easily achieve that? i certainly do not want him to have access to xterm or any command line terminal |
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| 19:22.36 | anomaly | anyone familiar with Enlightenment? I am trying to change the window border/decoration to look like this one http://enlightenment.org/i/az-desktop.png |
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| 19:37.21 | Saar | tarzeau: yes I understand, I just wondered how to use apt-install to install packages before reboot |
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| 19:44.09 | grendal_prime | hey guys |
| 19:44.13 | grendal_prime | hows it hanging? |
| 19:44.43 | gynterk | up and down, neck still holds |
| 19:45.37 | grendal_prime | I got a situation with an appliance im maintaining. It runs from a DOM (Disk On Module) Like an ide memory card basically. Its a diagnostic operating system basically. I had a problem with one this week. the file system corrupted. |
| 19:45.42 | cgibin | has anyone setup a ppn? |
| 19:45.47 | cgibin | i have other ips need to be routed |
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| 19:45.53 | cgibin | wondering if anyone route ip that they bought from else were |
| 19:46.39 | grendal_prime | it probably just needs to run fsck, however that would require user interaction on site,(not an option) |
| 19:47.38 | grendal_prime | my problem is, how can i keep this from happening in the future. One suggestion was to cord off a portion of the dom for logs and whatnot and mount the os as ro. |
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| 19:48.38 | grendal_prime | anyone have any input on that? |
| 19:50.31 | n3kl | When I do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and start x using the resulting xorg.conf, my screen starts nearly halfway to the right and wraps around to the left. Anyone seen this before? |
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| 19:59.17 | FreakGuard | I'm looking for a bittorrent daemon-client - like MPD |
| 19:59.29 | rwaite | hi all. i installed mediawiki from backports and it keeps serving up .phtml files, so i made a symlink in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled to point to the load file and it is still doing it |
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| 20:00.03 | JyZyXEL | what KDE version is lenny at? |
| 20:00.30 | stew | rwaite: did you also symlink the .conf file? (in the future use 'a2enmod php5') |
| 20:00.40 | stew | JyZyXEL: 3.5.9 |
| 20:00.42 | rwaite | yes |
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| 20:01.04 | JyZyXEL | stew isn't that like super old? |
| 20:01.08 | rwaite | would there be something in the site specific config to enable serving php from that config> |
| 20:01.27 | stew | JyZyXEL: no |
| 20:01.53 | rwaite | i would think the mediawiki deb would do this for me. the one from straight etch did :/ |
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| 20:02.06 | n3kl | Does anyone have trouble using the nvidia driver with xrandr on lenny? |
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| 20:02.41 | JyZyXEL | stew how many years? |
| 20:03.01 | stew | JyZyXEL: huh? are you asking me when kde 3.5.9 was released? |
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| 20:03.10 | JyZyXEL | yea ;D |
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| 20:03.21 | n3kl | JyZyXEL: I believe its the latest 3.5 series |
| 20:03.50 | JyZyXEL | oh they developing two series? |
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| 20:04.54 | JDigital | How should I limit users to their own homedirs in proftpd |
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| 20:05.22 | stew | JyZyXEL: http://kde.org/download/ they recommend the 3.5 series. their latest is 3.5.10 but they explicitly say on that site that thedebian packages has most of the changes from 3.5.9 |
| 20:05.26 | n3kl | perhaps you have missed the news, 4.x is the latest hot shit, completely different libs and such, so development has slowed on 3.5 |
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| 20:05.38 | n3kl | JyZyXEL: whats wrong with 3.5 anyway? |
| 20:06.21 | stew | JyZyXEL: "KDE 3.5.9 was released on February, 19th, 2008" |
| 20:06.48 | JyZyXEL | n3kl oh nothing |
| 20:06.57 | JyZyXEL | just wondering stuff |
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| 20:09.02 | n3kl | So if I open nvidia-settings, I can see my other monitor there, and I can turn it on, but xrandr does not report the second output. What I am doing wrong? |
| 20:09.13 | csatlose | hey guys I just discovered the live-usb side of debian. I love it so far (used it for 10 minutes) but I wonder about persisten changes. Any thoughts? |
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| 20:11.30 | CharminTheMoose | i'm having a problem with jackd. when I run audacity with jackd running, audacity starts up fine but then exits after about 2 seconds, with no fault on the CLI, but yet the jackd server stops running. here's the output in qjackctl's messages window http://pastebin.com/m3cc38805 |
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| 20:16.13 | balasyum | hi |
| 20:16.28 | balasyum | Any idea why my debian lenny 64bit keeps crashing on download completes? |
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| 20:16.32 | JordiGH | For some reason, Emacs doesn't seem to be auto loading stuff in /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp Is that intentional or a packaging bug? |
| 20:16.48 | JordiGH | balasyum: You get a kernel panic? |
| 20:17.03 | balasyum | JordiGH, just iceweasel goes down |
| 20:17.06 | balasyum | quits |
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| 20:17.29 | rwaite | okay i i uninstalled the backported mediawiki and reinstalled the stock etch one and the same issue is happening. either uninstalling it changed something or the backported version did. |
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| 20:17.45 | JordiGH | balasyum: Oh, then it's not Debian lenny that is crashing. Hm, I'm guessing, do you have enough disk space? |
| 20:17.57 | balasyum | For sure, JordiGH |
| 20:18.13 | JordiGH | balasyum: Does it happen with any download, or just some? |
| 20:18.13 | balasyum | Mentioned lenny, for version, etc. |
| 20:18.23 | balasyum | JordiGH, on any donwload complete |
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| 20:19.20 | JordiGH | balasyum: Try http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Firefox+crashes#Crash_when_downloading |
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| 20:19.39 | balasyum | Weird, seems to be caused by an extension. |
| 20:20.08 | balasyum | Disabled them all, crash gone |
| 20:20.30 | JordiGH | Not weird at all, extensions can be buggy, or rather, the combination of extension+Iceweasel can be buggy. |
| 20:20.33 | rwaite | thank god for backups |
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| 20:21.53 | n3kl | nvidia lenny is driving me batty |
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| 20:22.26 | mike0029 | When I reconfigure xserver-xorg and/or add modeline to xorg.conf, I wind up with 61hz as an option for my refresh rate when I want 60, and 76 for 75, etc. It always adds 1. Any ideas? |
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| 20:24.58 | giovine | I have debian lenny and a HD-Intel (ICH8) system sound. When I plug my headphone I listend the sound both the speaker and the headphone. How can I fix the problem? |
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| 20:25.30 | giovine | I've searche on internet but I didn't find anything |
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| 20:26.13 | rwaite | what would be the best way to figure out why apache wont serve php files correctly |
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| 20:27.36 | OmiKrOn | hi * |
| 20:27.38 | OmiKrOn | anyone knows a cool text mode ftp manager something similar to Midnight Commander maybe better... all except MC :) |
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| 20:33.28 | dgodfather | I am trying to install the nvidia driver the debian way following the dpkg nvidia_lenny instructions but can't seem to find package nvidia_graphics_drivers |
| 20:33.43 | dgodfather | nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 20:33.45 | dgodfather | how come? |
| 20:34.32 | JordiGH | dgodfather: What instructions are you reading? |
| 20:34.47 | zinx | those instructions tell you to get the source package |
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| 20:35.03 | zinx | because nvidia-graphics-drivers isn't in lenny, but it can be built for lenny using the source package |
| 20:35.12 | n3kl | dgodfather: nvidia_lenny_1 I believe |
| 20:35.12 | keith4 | rwaite: #apache |
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| 20:35.43 | n3kl | giovine: your hardware may not support it |
| 20:35.46 | JordiGH | dgodfather: Have you tried the nvidia one-liner? |
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| 20:36.24 | giovine | Why not? It's sound me strange |
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| 20:38.59 | JyZyXEL | http://88.115.39.161/failbar.jpg |
| 20:39.06 | JyZyXEL | bug |
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| 20:39.44 | stew | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 20:40.18 | stew | NinjaMan: it looks like it must think the origin matches, or else the priority for the amule mirror would be 990 |
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| 20:43.02 | dgodfather | JordiGH: sorry for the late response, i am using the instruction given by "/msg dpkg nvidia_lenny_1" |
| 20:43.07 | dgodfather | and 2 |
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| 20:43.26 | dgodfather | JordiGH: no i did not try the one liner, what is that? |
| 20:43.51 | dgodfather | n3kl: what did you mean? |
| 20:44.05 | mike0029 | What are some reasons X would crash when I change my resolution from 1280x1024 to 800x600 in KDE? |
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| 20:44.38 | JordiGH | dgodfather: Oh, never mind. |
| 20:44.43 | mike0029 | Likewise, I can't seem to get X to recognize any refresh rate other than 76, which is terribly fuzzy. This LCD monitor would prefer 60, but reconfiguring X and using modeline doesn't like (i can get 61, but not 60) |
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| 20:44.46 | dgodfather | what never mind? |
| 20:44.56 | JordiGH | dgodfather: The one-liner. |
| 20:45.08 | dgodfather | JordiGH: what do you mean never mind, i need your help |
| 20:45.11 | JDigital | anyone here knows about proftpd |
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| 20:45.19 | kantor | undernet is down ? |
| 20:45.21 | ElectriX | hello to all |
| 20:45.22 | dgodfather | how do i make it install the god damn thing |
| 20:45.28 | JordiGH | dgodfather: I guess nvidia-graphics-driver is actually a package name you have to find yourself. |
| 20:45.33 | scintilla | BYE |
| 20:46.01 | dgodfather | well say this isn't the problem(it doesn't seem to be) the m-a a-i nvidia fails in build |
| 20:46.07 | ElectriX | i am italian i have hp nx7400 i install correct driver but after ¹ minuts connection go in time out anybody can help me tnx in advance |
| 20:46.07 | dgodfather | right on the start |
| 20:46.32 | ElectriX | the sk is broadcom 4311 |
| 20:46.39 | ElectriX | tnx |
| 20:46.40 | dgodfather | JordiGH: I really want to make the installation successfull. |
| 20:46.45 | JordiGH | dgodfather: No idea. Sorry. I don't buy nvidia for this reason. :-/ |
| 20:47.41 | dgodfather | well there must be a debian solution |
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| 20:48.08 | JordiGH | dgodfather: dpkg seems to suggest that there is no Debian solution yet. "the nvidia drivers are still a mess in lenny" |
| 20:49.32 | NinjaMan | stew : you mean it thinks it doesn't match? |
| 20:49.57 | dgodfather | JordiGH: well people here earlier told me to do that |
| 20:50.07 | dgodfather | they said it should be fine |
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| 20:51.31 | JordiGH | dgodfather: Anyways, I'm guessing you should use nvidia-glx where it says nvidia-graphics-drivers |
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| 20:51.42 | ukl | hello. Is there a way to install gnustep just to try it out without having to remove GNOME in the same step (that's what aptitude seems to try to do...which is not bad but I'd just like to have a try (and still use GDM to chose wmaker/GNUStep) |
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| 20:52.23 | dgodfather | JordiGH: well thanks i will try that |
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| 20:55.31 | Hick0rd | can someone help me on finding cause of random server reboots |
| 20:55.47 | Hick0rd | my server is restarting multiple times a day at random times. |
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| 20:56.02 | Hick0rd | I've looked though syslog and other any logs but can't find anything. |
| 20:56.05 | mike0029 | Any ideas why when I change my screen resolution via KDEs control panel X crashes? |
| 20:56.22 | Hick0rd | how can I diagnose the fault and possibly fix it? |
| 20:56.46 | abrotman | mike0029: which driver? |
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| 20:56.59 | abrotman | Hick0rd: i'd suspect hardware issues like overheating or faulty ram |
| 20:57.11 | fedya | howcome debian uses apache.conf instead of httpd.com |
| 20:57.13 | fedya | conf* |
| 20:57.21 | Hick0rd | abrotman, it does reboot when I run some stuff |
| 20:58.14 | mike0029 | abrotman, It's the generic vesa driver (card is an ATI) |
| 20:58.33 | JordiGH | fedya: Probably some Policy thing. |
| 20:59.09 | mike0029 | abrotman, reconfiguring X with the ATI driver causes it to not start |
| 20:59.29 | JordiGH | Ack, why is Emacs not loading /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp ? :-( |
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| 20:59.36 | stew | fedya: it uses both. you should in general not need to touch it, if you need to override something, do it in httpd.conf or in sites-available/sites-enabled |
| 20:59.45 | stew | fedya: apache.conf includes httpd.conf |
| 20:59.58 | stew | NinjaMan: yes |
| 21:00.30 | fedya | how does the sites-available/sites-enabled thing work? i just create a vhosts file and point it to subfolders in /var/www |
| 21:01.15 | stew | fedya: create a file in sites-available, perhaps a vhost, which does whatever you want, then you can enable it with 'a2ensite name' and 'a2dissite name' |
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| 21:01.24 | fedya | i havent been able to find anything documenting how it's "supposed" to work |
| 21:01.34 | JordiGH | How does Emacs know what the loadpath is? |
| 21:01.44 | stew | fedya: by separating this into two files, an apache.conf you don't touch and a httpd.conf you customize, an future apache upgrade can upgrade your apache2.conf wihtout having to worry about your changes to httpd.conf |
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| 21:02.13 | NinjaMan | stew: I will try escaping the '<' and '>' |
| 21:02.32 | fedya | are the sites-enabled vhosts? |
| 21:02.45 | stew | fedya: they are whatever you put in them |
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| 21:03.18 | fedya | how do you access them? |
| 21:03.20 | stew | NinjaMan: i'm assuming you are running apt-get upgrade or aptitutde upgrade after editing preferences |
| 21:03.27 | fedya | hostname/sitename? |
| 21:03.27 | stew | fedya: what do you mean by "access"? |
| 21:03.34 | fedya | or sitename.host.com? |
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| 21:03.53 | NinjaMan | stew: yes I am |
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| 21:03.59 | fedya | where does it create a VirtualHost for those |
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| 21:04.29 | stew | fedya: they are just pieces of config that get appended to the apache config, so if you want one to have a VirtualHost, put a <VirtualHost> definition in one |
| 21:04.35 | stew | fedya: you create the VirtualHost |
| 21:05.39 | fedya | hm ok i think isee what you mean, another question, howcome it's apache2, why didnt they just keep it as apache |
| 21:05.48 | fedya | now i gotta remember to go to /etc/apache2, etc |
| 21:06.01 | stew | fedya: becuase there is also an apache package which is apache 1.3 |
| 21:06.02 | abrotman | fedya: etch has apache1 and apache2 |
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| 21:06.18 | fedya | do they call it apache1? |
| 21:06.18 | stew | fedya: and you can install both at the same time |
| 21:06.24 | stew | fedya: no they call it apache |
| 21:06.25 | abrotman | no .. they call it 'apache' |
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| 21:08.57 | ukl | oh.... I ran into a problem. I just installed lenny from a beta install cd. I used it to create a LVM part, but the installer didn't include it into the fstab |
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| 21:09.23 | ukl | can I just do this on my own? it seems to me like I have to create a filesystem on it first - shouldn't the installer have done that? |
| 21:09.39 | ukl | I'm kind of confused, please just tell me if I mixed up something. |
| 21:09.55 | pippijn | hi all |
| 21:10.29 | ElectriX | i am italian i have hp nx7400 i install correct driver but after ¹ minuts connection go in time out anybody can help me tnx in advance |
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| 21:10.33 | ElectriX | the sk is broadcom 4311 |
| 21:11.02 | stew | ukl: did you assign a mountpoint to the LV during the install? |
| 21:11.33 | ukl | stew: I wasn't asked for one I think. Initially, I intended /home for it. |
| 21:11.43 | rahsputin | ciao, i want to build the stable 2.4.x kernel to fit on a single 1.44 or a "bit"(dev/fd0u1722) floppy along with uClibc,and BusyBox... and am looking for documention on how to build and make... |
| 21:12.32 | stew | ukl: you were given a chance to assing one, after exiting the LVM setup |
| 21:12.59 | ukl | stew: Ok, then I must have missed it... too bad. |
| 21:13.10 | ukl | stew: Can you give me a hint what to do now? |
| 21:13.30 | grendal_prime | hey is there a way to use aptitude to install a local file? |
| 21:13.31 | ukl | mkfs'ing and adding something to fstab? |
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| 21:14.14 | beardy | grendal_prime: You can use dpkg to install a single package that you have there. It will be seen by aptitude. |
| 21:14.31 | stew | ukl: edit fstab |
| 21:14.41 | grendal_prime | ya but its a meta package i made and it has dependencys. |
| 21:14.51 | stew | grendal_prime: dpkg -i foo.deb ; aptitude -f install |
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| 21:15.24 | stew | grendal_prime: first one partially installs but fails due to dependencies, then aptitude fixes dependencies with (-f means fix) |
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| 21:15.59 | ukl | stew: /dev/mapper/home-home /home xxx yyy z w << I might figure out what to use for yyy,z,w; but has it already been mkfs'ed in the install process? (It's my task to mkfs it, right?) |
| 21:16.12 | fedya | how can i completely reinstall apache2 and let debian set up it's config files so i can try to set these vhosts up the debian way |
| 21:16.31 | beardy | fedya: Purge it, and install it. |
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| 21:17.00 | fedya | which package apache2? because there's a bunch that seem like they're related but dont get uninstalled |
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| 21:17.46 | grendal_prime | stew for whatever reason the aptitude portion of that never runs |
| 21:17.58 | pippijn | I set up my debian package with several Package's in control and for each package, I have a file list in <package>.install |
| 21:18.11 | pippijn | and installed the files into debian/tmp |
| 21:18.45 | pippijn | but dpkg-buildpackage is not installing the files from tmp |
| 21:18.47 | stew | ukl: i don't know if you told the installer to mkfs or not. if there is nothing on it, it doesn't hurt to run it again. if you don't need any more specific options, use "defaults 0 2" |
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| 21:19.01 | ukl | stew: thanks a lot :) |
| 21:19.22 | pippijn | does anyone have experience with multiple packages in one debian source package? |
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| 21:20.23 | stew | pippijn: how are you calling dh_install? |
| 21:20.43 | pippijn | stew: without arguments |
| 21:20.58 | grendal_prime | stew: any idea why that would not run the aptitude portion of that? |
| 21:21.04 | pippijn | stew: oh wait |
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| 21:21.10 | pippijn | stew: not at all |
| 21:21.12 | pippijn | now I am |
| 21:21.14 | pippijn | and now it says |
| 21:21.18 | pippijn | dh_install: aldor missing files (debian/tmp/usr/bin/aldor*), aborting |
| 21:21.25 | pippijn | ah |
| 21:21.25 | pippijn | wait |
| 21:21.28 | pippijn | my bad |
| 21:21.30 | stew | !tell pippijn about enter |
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| 21:21.38 | pippijn | ok |
| 21:21.46 | stew | grendal_prime: i can't imagine why. can you show us? |
| 21:21.48 | fedya | beardy: that doesnt remove all of apache |
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| 21:22.06 | stew | fedya: the config is owned by apache2.2-common |
| 21:22.07 | beardy | fedya: No, it removes all of apache2. |
| 21:22.23 | vyrus001 | test? |
| 21:22.28 | vyrus001 | ok its not me... wtf |
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| 21:22.34 | fedya | doesnt seem their removal is dependent on each other |
| 21:22.46 | fedya | i just used tasksel to remove the web server component |
| 21:23.46 | stew | fedya: removing apache2.2-common should remove all other apache2 packages |
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| 21:23.53 | stew | fedya: but why are you removing them? |
| 21:24.03 | fedya | to do a clean install of apache2 |
| 21:24.18 | stew | fedya: you need to purge them then, not remove them, and tasksel wouldn't purge them |
| 21:24.22 | beardy | Use aptitude, it handles tasks too. |
| 21:24.40 | stew | fedya: or you need to reinstall then with confnew |
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| 21:26.05 | pavlvs | apt where is your fact database? |
| 21:26.07 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, pavlvs |
| 21:26.10 | grendal_prime | i think i just need to run them both seperatly |
| 21:26.10 | pavlvs | dang |
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| 21:26.48 | grendal_prime | stew i have my own fronzen apt repo. Im trying to figure out out to add this package to that...then i can just have them run aptitude and install it from the box. |
| 21:26.55 | shelby | hey guys :) |
| 21:27.02 | shelby | i just switched to debian from arch |
| 21:27.13 | shelby | i kind of like it, but it disapoints me in a lot of ways too |
| 21:27.17 | lazyfrosch | shelby: gz! |
| 21:27.23 | shelby | so i have a few questions |
| 21:27.38 | JPT | start asking :) |
| 21:27.50 | shelby | is there a system wide configuration file where you specify startup deamons and such? |
| 21:27.51 | grendal_prime | i think i can just drop the package in the tree where it would best go...(it starts with p so im assuming the p dir, or maybe i can make my own) then run the packages scan util) |
| 21:28.28 | shelby | in arch, its /etc/rc.conf so i was wonderin |
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| 21:28.56 | fedya | hostname: Unknown host <-- does this mean my system doesnt have a hostname or something? |
| 21:28.58 | ElectriX | i am italian i have hp nx7400 i install correct driver but after ¹ minuts connection go in time out anybody can help me tnx in advance |
| 21:28.59 | ElectriX | the sk is broadcom 4311 |
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| 21:29.22 | shelby | i really like debian for what it is, but so far my problems have been that the "massive" repos have been... not so massive... |
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| 21:30.15 | stew | shelby: in debian it would be /etc/rc?.d by defualt which can be managed with many tools like rcconf or update-rc.d. what you are describing sounds like 'file-rc' which is an alternative that debian provides |
| 21:30.36 | stew | shelby: what pacakges are missing from the repositories? |
| 21:30.42 | shelby | i enabled some backport thingy, and everytime i update apt bitches at me, but at least now i can get some software that was made *after* i was born in 1995 ;) |
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| 21:31.13 | stew | shelby: can you be more specific? |
| 21:31.19 | shelby | just random little ones, i am still learning a lot about linux and i just like to be able to install *anything* with apt, which i know is just a pipe dream ;) |
| 21:31.34 | shelby | im not complaining, just discussing :) i like debian a lot :) |
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| 21:32.19 | stew | shelby: if it is bitching about unverified packages, you can read the instructions page at backports.org about how to verify them |
| 21:32.56 | shelby | thanks stew :) |
| 21:33.01 | stew | shelby: if you are finidng packages which are not in the massive debian repositories, it is probably because of the dfsg: /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 21:33.48 | themill | shelby: you may also want to look at debian-multimedia.org. /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 21:34.18 | shelby | well, with the defualt install of debian, i couldnt install pidgin or skype and etc. ;) |
| 21:36.30 | KleinerHai | Hey, i've got a big problem: I installed openSSH now i can't connect to my debian machine :( |
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| 21:38.02 | thedonvaughn | KleinerHai: what does 'can't connect' mean? how did you connect before you have openssh installed? Is the server running? |
| 21:38.06 | JordiGH | KleinerHai: More details. |
| 21:38.10 | stew | shelby: becuase pidgin didn't exist when the currently released version of debian was frozen. debian cannot legally redistribute skype becuase of skype's license |
| 21:38.12 | manu_hac1 | anyone here uses preload? is it goo? |
| 21:38.31 | KleinerHai | Normally i connected via ssh |
| 21:38.52 | KleinerHai | Now i can't connect after installing open SSH He say: |
| 21:38.55 | shelby | like i said, im not looking to come off as hostile ;) |
| 21:39.18 | KleinerHai | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:39.22 | stew | shelby: understood |
| 21:39.39 | stew | KleinerHai: you can remove the old key from your known_hosts with "ssh-keygen -R hostname" |
| 21:40.05 | thedonvaughn | KleinerHai: what stew said. it's your ~/.ssh/known_hosts file |
| 21:40.10 | KleinerHai | stew: Then it should work? I'm sure that i've installed open ssh with |
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| 21:40.27 | KleinerHai | Ah! Thank you stew and thedonvaughn. |
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| 21:40.43 | shelby | cant wait for winter to come to alabama |
| 21:40.48 | shelby | isnt the next month october? |
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| 21:41.09 | shelby | yay! it is :D |
| 21:41.23 | shelby | anyways |
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| 21:41.38 | shelby | thanks a lot for your input guys, your the reason linux has dignity :) |
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| 21:41.40 | KleinerHai | Great guys, I'm on :D |
| 21:41.45 | shelby | may the source be with you! |
| 21:41.47 | KleinerHai | Thank's a lot! |
| 21:42.34 | dgodfather | my pc is to new for the standard 2.6.18 kernel to support(doesn't recognize some of the chipset drivers), how can i install a specific driver instead of installing a kernel that is newer like backports? |
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| 21:43.17 | dgodfather | say my alsa doesn't work since my sound card isn't recognized, i want to install the sound card driver to the kernel, without changing a kernel |
| 21:43.21 | dgodfather | how do i do that? |
| 21:43.40 | JPT | err.. |
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| 21:44.03 | JPT | you can look up, what's the module's name that your soundcard needs and try modprobe <modulname> |
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| 21:46.00 | bravvve | hi when starting eclipse 3.3 i got this :could not fined a valid configuration for intro part:intro element " in extention :org.rclipse.ui.intro in bunddle :org.eclipse.ui.intro.universal cheak error log view for details |
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| 21:47.14 | verme | hello! |
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| 21:48.46 | verme | anybody could tell me how can i download a package and their dependencies please? |
| 21:49.04 | themill | bravvve: you probably should eclipse about it since you are not using the debian packages for eclipse. |
| 21:49.11 | verme | (only download, in order to perform an offline installation) |
| 21:49.20 | themill | dpkg: tell verme about apt-zip |
| 21:49.44 | verme | hum :) thanks |
| 21:50.11 | bravvve | themill:yes because i need eclipse 3.3 or latest and in etch there are only 3.2 |
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| 21:50.15 | fedya | is there any point to havinig multiple versions of php installed such as libapache-mod-php5 and php5-cgi an php5-cli? |
| 21:50.46 | jelly-home | fedya: yes, if you use them |
| 21:51.16 | fedya | i use the cli, but i've also had the php module installed |
| 21:51.18 | stew | fedya: depends on if you want to run php scripts fromt he command line. you probably only need one of mod-php5 and -cgi |
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| 21:51.43 | stew | fedya: are you going to have apache serve web pages? |
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| 21:52.48 | fedya | would apache2 use php-cli? or in order to use it with apache i would need modphp5 |
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| 21:53.36 | nexxu | hey, does anyone have problems with mc > shell link not displaying any files ? |
| 21:53.59 | stew | fedya: apache2 would not use php-cli, it would use libapache2-mod-php5 (note, that is different than libapache-mod-php5) or you could run them with php5-cgi |
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| 21:54.36 | fedya | so i need -cli to run in command line and then i choose between mod-php5 and php-cgi correct? |
| 21:54.46 | torr | I am trying to send somefile with sendfile() and get error : Bad file descriptor |
| 21:55.03 | torr | and I don't know what is wrong with my fd |
| 21:55.11 | torr | :( |
| 21:56.15 | adama_ | what language is sendfile() ? |
| 21:56.28 | zinx | various |
| 21:57.32 | zinx | torr: in_fd must be mmapable and opened for reading, out_fd must be a socket opened for writing |
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| 21:58.49 | torr | zinx, yes I read the man, I know my out_fd, and I get the in_fd from somewhere else. whould have been usefull if the error said which fd |
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| 21:59.11 | torr | zinx, I check the in_fd |
| 21:59.19 | zinx | torr: in_fd can't be a tty or fifo |
| 21:59.35 | fedya | in aptitude i pressed u to update, how do you actually install all upgradeable packages? |
| 21:59.45 | zinx | or pipe or whatever else you can think up that's not mmapable |
| 21:59.46 | fedya | or should i just do apt-get upgrade? |
| 22:00.31 | Gryfelhase | is there a easy way, how to check, what kernel-parameters where passed to a specific kernel-modul ? |
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| 22:00.55 | stew | fedya: 'g' to execute queued actions |
| 22:01.22 | fedya | yea but when i did update it didnt mark anything for upgradeable |
| 22:01.22 | Gryfelhase | -where +was |
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| 22:01.34 | fedya | although i think there were some packages that needed to be updated like security packages |
| 22:02.08 | fedya | it just lists them in packages being held back when i hit g and it shows what actions its about to do |
| 22:02.20 | stew | Gryfelhase: /sys/modules/$modulename/parameters i think |
| 22:02.38 | stew | fedya: hit + on a package if you want to upgrade it |
| 22:02.52 | fedya | no way to do them all? |
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| 22:03.05 | fedya | if i did apt-get upgrade will just upgrade them all wont it? |
| 22:03.31 | stew | fedya: you wanted U not u |
| 22:03.43 | fedya | oh let me try that |
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| 22:04.13 | stew | fedya: you could also run "aptitude upgrade" on the commandline if you dont' want to use the aptitude gui |
| 22:04.15 | Gryfelhase | stew: thx alot |
| 22:04.23 | stew | Gryfelhase: you're welcome |
| 22:04.36 | fedya | got it, thanks stew that marked them all at once |
| 22:04.47 | fedya | i've been using aptitude for years and still learning |
| 22:05.00 | stew | there's a lot to learn there |
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| 22:05.48 | torr | zinx, are there tests I can run on the in_fd to check if it is mmapable etc"? |
| 22:05.58 | JyZyXEL | stew http://88.115.39.161/difference.jpg why does this happen to me with all the panels i've tried |
| 22:06.23 | JyZyXEL | icons get all weird when window is minimized |
| 22:06.24 | stew | JyZyXEL: i have no idea what that is a picture of |
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| 22:06.59 | JyZyXEL | its driving me crazy |
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| 22:07.11 | JyZyXEL | i've installed like xfce, kde, gnome and they all have that same thing |
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| 22:09.20 | irule | how may I install httpasswd? |
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| 22:09.22 | adama_ | JyZyXEL: you are referring to the icons being "greyed out" because the app is minimized? |
| 22:09.32 | adama_ | irule: it's htpasswd |
| 22:09.45 | JyZyXEL | adama_ yea |
| 22:09.55 | JyZyXEL | i've spent hours trying to solve this problem |
| 22:10.06 | manu_hac1 | JyZyXEL: it looks fine by me |
| 22:10.30 | JyZyXEL | its not very fine that my icons get all greyed out |
| 22:10.36 | JyZyXEL | i can't use a system like that |
| 22:10.47 | adama_ | irule: install apache2-utils |
| 22:10.49 | irule | I have /var/cache/apt/archives/libapache-htpasswd-perl_1.6.0-1_all.deb installed but I cant run httpasswd as root from cli, what is wrong? |
| 22:11.14 | adama_ | irule: just one t in htpasswd |
| 22:11.27 | KleinerHai | Whenever I try to open my website (server is deb) i get: Can't open PHTML. |
| 22:11.34 | KleinerHai | What does it mean? |
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| 22:12.38 | adama_ | JyZyXEL: I don't understand why it's a problem. That said you could modify the source code to disable that |
| 22:13.08 | JyZyXEL | source code of what |
| 22:13.13 | irule | http://pastebin.ca/1201364 I dont see a binary on my system :s |
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| 22:13.30 | JyZyXEL | its nearly impossible to know where that shit is coming from |
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| 22:14.12 | adama_ | irule: install apache2-utils |
| 22:14.16 | irule | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:15.39 | stew | irule: realize that libapache-htpasswd-perl is not going to give you the htpasswd cli, but gives you a perl module to write your own in perl |
| 22:15.55 | adama_ | JyZyXEL: source is e.g. "Window List" module of Gnome |
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| 22:17.47 | JyZyXEL | its gonna be horrible |
| 22:18.02 | JyZyXEL | i have to compile a custom version of gnome and convert it to .deb |
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| 22:18.10 | adama_ | JyZyXEL: certainly much more trouble than it's worth |
| 22:18.14 | JyZyXEL | then every time gnome updates i have to do it all over again |
| 22:18.21 | adama_ | trouble >>>>> worth |
| 22:18.43 | JyZyXEL | well without it you can't really use the damn system |
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| 22:18.54 | adama_ | how do you figure |
| 22:19.01 | JyZyXEL | it completely ruins everything |
| 22:19.06 | jelly-home | irule: htpasswd is _not_ in that package |
| 22:19.16 | adama_ | irule: install apache2-utils |
| 22:19.20 | JyZyXEL | like a 90% drop in usability |
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| 22:20.00 | JyZyXEL | i doubt its in gnome code |
| 22:20.11 | JyZyXEL | im just using gnomes panel |
| 22:20.15 | grendal_prime | this is so frustrating...i just dont know where to start looking |
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| 22:20.23 | JyZyXEL | the excactly same thing is in KDE panel too |
| 22:20.27 | JyZyXEL | and in xfce4 panel too |
| 22:20.29 | adama_ | JyZyXEL: there is no problem with greyed icons. |
| 22:20.36 | grendal_prime | how to add a package branch like etch, to my repo. |
| 22:20.37 | JyZyXEL | its probably in xfce |
| 22:20.47 | JyZyXEL | thats my WM |
| 22:20.56 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: don't minimize apps, then? |
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| 22:21.15 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: use ... like, multiple workspaces |
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| 22:22.36 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: or ask #xfce how to disable the shading of minimized windows' icons |
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| 22:41.32 | fedya | do i want to install apache2-mpm-prefork? or apache2? |
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| 22:42.43 | LamerC | I've set up dual boot. I installed XP first then Debian using GRUB bootloader. |
| 22:43.35 | LamerC | Now I need to reinstall XP. Can I do that just as is or do I need to do anything special so GRUB will still load |
| 22:43.49 | abrotman | you'll need a rescue disk of some sort |
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| 22:44.27 | LamerC | I have a RIPLinuxX disc can I use it. Or how can I make a recsue disc from linux? |
| 22:44.59 | abrotman | !rescue |
| 22:45.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
| 22:45.15 | fedya_ | what's the difference between the different apache2 packages? |
| 22:45.32 | abrotman | you mean the threading models? |
| 22:45.38 | fedya_ | there's apache2 mpm prefork, which would i be best using |
| 22:45.40 | fedya_ | yes |
| 22:45.54 | abrotman | if you're using libapache2-mod-php5 .. you don't have a choice |
| 22:46.01 | fedya_ | oh? |
| 22:46.06 | fedya_ | that's what i was thinking of using |
| 22:46.07 | abrotman | oh |
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| 22:46.17 | abrotman | !depends libapache2-mod-php5 etch |
| 22:46.21 | fedya_ | i uninstalled everything, well hopefully purged so i can start fresh |
| 22:46.38 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-php5: depends on libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libdb4.4, libkrb53 (>= 1.4.2), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8c-1), libxml2 (>= 2.6.27), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), mime-support (>= 2.03-1), apache2-mpm-prefork (>> 2.0.52) | apache2-mpm-itk, apache2.2-common, php5-common (= 5.2.0-8+etch11), libmagic1, ucf |
| 22:46.49 | fedya_ | is there any way to see what packages have a c next to them in aptitude? |
| 22:47.04 | fedya_ | prefork i see it |
| 22:47.15 | abrotman | oh .. you can use -mpm-itk too .. i forgot about that |
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| 22:52.14 | themill | abrotman: the long description for -itk should be about enough to put you off using it... |
| 22:52.43 | enouf | Trewas: jpeginfo, nice little tool -> 6150 x 9975 24bit JFIF Normal Huffman,300dpi 7691418 /tmp/HurricaneEvac-AllTravelMap.jpg |
| 22:53.43 | enouf | i'm trying to figure out which others might be best to install from output of ~$ apt-cache search jfif |
| 22:54.02 | enouf | but, i realize i haven't stated any intentions yet ;-P |
| 22:54.28 | enouf | but i'm not sure what i want to do either :-/ |
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| 22:58.04 | enouf | jelly: btw, gliv also fails to open it, it kind of does, but (with swapoff and with free showing 203MB free -> (Mem: 516360 313012 203348) , it failed with a similar error "Segmentation fault while loading /tmp/HurricaneEvac-AllTravelMap.jpg" and with swapon, it does open, but displays just all black (yet no swap was hit -> Swap: 0 0 0 |
| 22:58.04 | enouf | ) |
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| 22:58.24 | enouf | maybe i should wait for it to try and open? i waited about 30 seconds |
| 22:58.31 | abrotman | enouf: feh? eog? |
| 22:58.43 | enouf | !english |
| 22:58.43 | dpkg | English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope) |
| 22:58.47 | enouf | :-P |
| 22:58.59 | enouf | eog == ? |
| 22:59.02 | abrotman | !tell enouf about search |
| 22:59.06 | abrotman | !info eog etch |
| 22:59.08 | dpkg | eog: (Eye of Gnome graphics viewer program), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.16.3-3 (etch), Packaged size: 944 kB, Installed size: 3620 kB |
| 22:59.09 | abrotman | !info feh etch |
| 22:59.11 | dpkg | feh: (imlib2 based image viewer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.3.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 273 kB, Installed size: 452 kB |
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| 22:59.40 | enouf | oh hehe, feh is like meh to me :-P |
| 22:59.58 | enouf | ewww, eye of gnome? no thanks |
| 23:00.08 | enouf | thanks though |
| 23:00.12 | abrotman | enouf: eog is actually pretty good |
| 23:00.21 | abrotman | and don swears by feh (or used to) |
| 23:00.36 | enouf | abrotman: but i've spent a few years trying to get the last bits of gnome off the system :-? |
| 23:00.41 | enouf | :-/ |
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| 23:01.04 | enouf | i'll check it out - thank you |
| 23:01.31 | abrotman | feh is pretty small .. few depends .. eog has .. gnome/gconf/gtk depends :) |
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| 23:02.59 | esaym | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.43 | stew | esaym: "fdisk -l" might tell you. you could snoop through /dev/disk/ ; myabe lshal |
| 23:03.45 | octox2 | sometimes my screensaver fills the screen, sometimes plasma puts it in the upper left corner. IS this someting that everyone is experiencing? |
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| 23:04.08 | stew | esaym: dmesg would say when the driver was loaded |
| 23:04.27 | esaym | hmm |
| 23:04.54 | enouf | abrotman: check out the bottom of this page http://www.ecademix.com/JohannesHofmann/flpsed.html and see the author's "flimsel" utility |
| 23:05.28 | abrotman | looks old |
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| 23:06.42 | enouf | esaym: you'll likely need to match up BusID info (dmesg, and ls -l /dev/disk/by-id and /by-path) such as stew mentioned - or try cat /proc/scsi/scsi , or even lsscsi |
| 23:07.18 | esaym | well how does grub tell what hd is 0,1, or 2 ect... |
| 23:07.22 | enouf | BTW, does anyone know if "systool" (sysfsutils) is being deprecated? |
| 23:07.30 | n3kl | Anyone know if symbian is linux? |
| 23:07.36 | stew | esaym: look at /boot/grub/device.map |
| 23:07.41 | enouf | esaym: according to how your BIOS is setup |
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| 23:07.58 | esaym | because the drive grub sees as hd0 in dmesg is ata5 |
| 23:08.16 | enouf | yes, /boot/grub/device.map is what grub saw when installed, but if you swapped around drives, that no longer is true |
| 23:08.35 | enouf | esaym: note, scsi0 == ata1 |
| 23:08.41 | enouf | in dmesg |
| 23:08.52 | enouf | scsi0-7 == ata1-8 |
| 23:09.16 | enouf | abrotman: nice quick assessment :-P |
| 23:09.43 | Trewas | enouf: my vote also goes for feh, dunno what you asked about :) |
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| 23:10.22 | pippijn | how do I find my distribution (stable, testing, ...)? |
| 23:10.25 | abrotman | enouf: ? |
| 23:10.29 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:10.37 | esaym | oh looks like if I want to add another disk with an os on it I need to add that disk to device.map? |
| 23:10.45 | enouf | esaym: you might also note, from your mobo manual, as to which "controller" is assigned to which ports , and many times, they are color coded - though even thenm, it can be tricky, since the way many mobos implement only certain features when drives are only hooked up as they say |
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| 23:10.55 | Trewas | n3kl: symbian is not linux |
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| 23:11.00 | enouf | Trewas: and abrotman gracias |
| 23:11.16 | nohelphere | is it possible to use a newer kernel in etch than 2.6.18? |
| 23:11.24 | enouf | pippijn: /msg dpkg version |
| 23:11.27 | abrotman | nohelphere: apt-cache search etchnhalf |
| 23:11.29 | themill | dpkg: tell nohelphere about etchnhalf |
| 23:11.31 | enouf | nohelphere: yes |
| 23:13.06 | nohelphere | thanks |
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| 23:14.07 | nohelphere | hmmm |
| 23:14.15 | nohelphere | the processor is an amd sempron... |
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| 23:14.53 | abrotman | nohelphere: either -k7 or -686 |
| 23:15.00 | nohelphere | ok |
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| 23:15.30 | enouf | Trewas: abrotman jelly etc .. basically my issue was this; Given say this image of Ike's path and scope, i was trying to plot out exactly where some major cities (and other landmarks would be nice too) are along said path http://icons-pe.wunderground.com/data/images/at200809_windprob34.gif .. my concern is/was the houston area |
| 23:15.51 | abrotman | enouf: why? no one likes texas |
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| 23:16.11 | enouf | abrotman: well, there are a few good people there - granted - few and far between :-P |
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| 23:16.34 | enouf | straps abrotman into a fake electric chair for fun |
| 23:16.39 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:17.26 | Trewas | I guess they can shoot the hurricane with their guns or drive over it with their humongous pickups :) |
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| 23:19.19 | enouf | minimal is nice ;-) two pkgs to install--> feh giblib1 |
| 23:19.26 | Trewas | btw http://stormpulse.com shows storm track predictions but that is flash |
| 23:20.39 | karmatronic | any rdp server other than xrdp ? |
| 23:21.09 | enouf | Trewas: is it SWF or can it be seen/dl'd as a FLV ? |
| 23:21.10 | themill | krdc |
| 23:21.39 | nohelphere | i think i might of failed up my server =P |
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| 23:21.57 | nohelphere | notes not to touch the kernel |
| 23:22.18 | enouf | Trewas: nm ;-) var flashProxy = new FlashProxy('58', '/swf/JavaScriptFlashGateway.swf') |
| 23:22.18 | karmatronic | themill: that a client |
| 23:22.32 | themill | karmatronic: yes |
| 23:22.41 | enouf | jumps up and down, and bangs head on desk a few times |
| 23:22.43 | nohelphere | it boots |
| 23:23.13 | nohelphere | sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 isn't hwo you install it |
| 23:23.14 | nohelphere | dpkg: tell nohelphere about etchnhalf |
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| 23:23.23 | enouf | !k7 dropped |
| 23:23.23 | dpkg | [k7 dropped] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 Use the -686 kernel images instead. |
| 23:23.29 | Trewas | enouf: according to them houston is directly on the line of fire, so now you know :) |
| 23:23.47 | enouf | well, for Etch it still exists, but i suppose not Etchnhalf ? |
| 23:24.01 | enouf | Trewas: i already figured that out - thanks |
| 23:24.15 | nohelphere | there is no simple way to install etchhalf? |
| 23:24.20 | enouf | i'd smile if i wasn't worried |
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| 23:25.01 | enouf | nohelphere: it should be, afaik, once you run apt-get update |
| 23:25.17 | dvs | nohelphere: you need to upgrade the kernel manually though. |
| 23:25.32 | nohelphere | im not used to that |
| 23:25.33 | enouf | nohelphere: are you using a 3D Binary driver ? ati/nvidia ? |
| 23:25.41 | nohelphere | no video driver |
| 23:25.44 | nohelphere | its just a server |
| 23:25.54 | nohelphere | and i have a need for a newer kernel |
| 23:25.59 | enouf | dvs: does that imply one needs to use dpkg -i ? |
| 23:26.05 | dvs | nohelphere: How do you access the server? |
| 23:26.11 | nohelphere | ssh |
| 23:26.17 | nohelphere | i also have access to a TTY |
| 23:26.21 | dvs | enouf: No, but you have to specify a different kernel package |
| 23:26.46 | enouf | dvs: the line he showed was quite specific - ok, no worries |
| 23:27.00 | dvs | enouf: I just got here. ;-) |
| 23:27.06 | nohelphere | linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 is already the newest version. |
| 23:27.06 | nohelphere | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 23:27.06 | enouf | ok - ;-) |
| 23:27.15 | nohelphere | i didn't install it right |
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| 23:27.26 | enouf | nohelphere: maybe its installed, but you jhaen't yet booted into it |
| 23:27.27 | dvs | nohelphere: If you just installed that then you have to reboot the server |
| 23:27.37 | nohelphere | i rbeooted it |
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| 23:27.43 | dvs | nohelphere: uname -r |
| 23:27.44 | nohelphere | and i still have 2.6.18 |
| 23:27.49 | enouf | uname -r .. maybe you didn't select it |
| 23:27.53 | enouf | from the grub menu |
| 23:27.54 | nohelphere | b4@della:~$ uname -r |
| 23:27.54 | nohelphere | 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 23:27.58 | dvs | you have it |
| 23:27.58 | nohelphere | oh |
| 23:28.01 | nohelphere | from grub |
| 23:28.18 | nohelphere | oj works |
| 23:28.21 | nohelphere | ok* |
| 23:28.32 | dvs | nohelphere: it worked so well, you didn't even notice! ;-) |
| 23:28.39 | enouf | hehe |
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| 23:29.39 | jdrake | Can anyone tell me what would be a good utility to convert bin/cue to iso? There was a utility I tried before, but I cannot remember its name. |
| 23:29.47 | stew | bchunk |
| 23:29.48 | nohelphere | smsc47m192-i2c-0-2d |
| 23:29.48 | nohelphere | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.52 | nohelphere | i failed up lm-sensors |
| 23:30.31 | nohelphere | \o/ |
| 23:30.35 | nohelphere | somethign must eb wrong |
| 23:30.41 | nohelphere | oh |
| 23:30.43 | nohelphere | i read 160 |
| 23:30.48 | nohelphere | and it said 106 |
| 23:30.56 | enouf | abrotman: omg, the feh --help is so long, i had to employ a ~$ feh --help 2>/dev/null | less :-P |
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| 23:31.42 | nohelphere | http://b47619.ath.cx/sysinfo/ do temperatures seem realistic? |
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| 23:32.03 | enouf | jdrake: http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/cdrecording/ something there should help |
| 23:32.13 | jdrake | merci |
| 23:32.20 | enouf | bchunk, bin2iso, etc |
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| 23:33.12 | peter__ | hello; is there somewhere any mainboards/chipsets compatibility list? I look for a mainboard for a Q6700 which I could run on the current stable without big installation problems |
| 23:33.39 | enouf | reminds himself he has yet to toy with burning a bin/cue directly to CD yet |
| 23:33.49 | dvs | peter__: The P45 won't be well supported at this point |
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| 23:34.00 | enouf | has no idea where these bin/cue files are gotten from :-P |
| 23:34.10 | naiv | when you type return at the end of line of a text file, i forgot if we have CR or EOL or both ? |
| 23:34.15 | dvs | peter__: My P35 chipset is working fine. |
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| 23:34.20 | enouf | naiv: no CR |
| 23:34.27 | enouf | naiv: only \n |
| 23:34.33 | enouf | man ascii |
| 23:34.48 | naiv | kewl, thank you enouf |
| 23:35.19 | enouf | naiv: you might be confusing EOL to mean EOF, but ok |
| 23:35.38 | enouf | which is End Of File |
| 23:35.42 | nohelphere | hmmm |
| 23:35.54 | nohelphere | i think i need to do soemthing more to the server |
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| 23:35.58 | nohelphere | but idk what |
| 23:36.02 | peter__ | dvs: ok what about the gbit lan driver? |
| 23:36.05 | enouf | naiv: apt-cache show tofrodos |
| 23:36.20 | naiv | i'm reading the ascii man page, but what does LF stands for ? line finish ? |
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| 23:36.29 | enouf | Line Feed |
| 23:36.49 | jimmy_birer | abi burda turkler varmi? |
| 23:37.13 | naiv | ahah |
| 23:37.18 | enouf | heh man console_codes naiv |
| 23:37.33 | jimmy_birer | vreun roman pe canal? |
| 23:37.36 | enouf | jimmy_birer: which language? turkish? |
| 23:37.43 | nohelphere | hm |
| 23:37.48 | jimmy_birer | turkish romanian german or english |
| 23:38.00 | nohelphere | my debian server nees soemthing |
| 23:38.04 | enouf | !tk |
| 23:38.05 | dpkg | tk is probably the TKinter GUI toolkit |
| 23:38.18 | jimmy_birer | ubottu |
| 23:38.24 | naiv | enouf++ |
| 23:38.24 | enouf | jimmy_birer: there's #debian-de |
| 23:38.27 | enouf | !de |
| 23:38.27 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
| 23:38.44 | jimmy_birer | ich |
| 23:38.45 | jimmy_birer | ... |
| 23:38.48 | nohelphere | !etch |
| 23:38.48 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). Ask me about <stable>. currently <4.0r4>, or the Etch-A-Sketch magic screen |
| 23:38.54 | nohelphere | hmmm |
| 23:38.57 | nohelphere | i failed up tetsing |
| 23:38.59 | nohelphere | in a VM |
| 23:39.00 | nohelphere | wait |
| 23:39.02 | jimmy_birer | !channelsucks |
| 23:39.04 | jimmy_birer | :D |
| 23:39.05 | nohelphere | was it tetsing ro unstable |
| 23:39.13 | nohelphere | !typo |
| 23:39.13 | dpkg | hmm... typo is when someone tries to type really fast without knowing what he is actually doing.... so he makes typing mistakes, or rm -rf / |
| 23:39.20 | nohelphere | !tpyowphere |
| 23:39.28 | nohelphere | !typosphere |
| 23:39.43 | jimmy_birer | known bugs on etch? |
| 23:39.46 | naiv | thank you again |
| 23:39.52 | enouf | np naiv |
| 23:39.57 | jimmy_birer | i have bugs in home! |
| 23:39.59 | jimmy_birer | :D:D |
| 23:40.25 | jimmy_birer | !es |
| 23:40.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:40.31 | jimmy_birer | !tr |
| 23:40.32 | dpkg | methinks tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 23:41.16 | jimmy_birer | !ro |
| 23:42.39 | themill | jimmy_birer: /msg dpkg, please |
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| 23:44.18 | jimmy_birer | !nz |
| 23:44.25 | jimmy_birer | !en |
| 23:44.25 | dpkg | [en] english |
| 23:44.33 | jimmy_birer | !us |
| 23:44.33 | dpkg | well, us is United States (of America), or the first-person plural object pronoun of english |
| 23:44.52 | jimmy_birer | !ro |
| 23:45.00 | jimmy_birer | !de |
| 23:45.00 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
| 23:45.06 | themill | jimmy_birer: please /msg dpkg rather than filling the channel with the entire united nations |
| 23:45.08 | jimmy_birer | !ru |
| 23:45.09 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 23:45.20 | dvs | !ops jimmy_birer is bugging the bots |
| 23:45.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dvs complains about: jimmy_birer is bugging the bots |
| 23:45.22 | themill | jimmy_birer: stop |
| 23:45.36 | jimmy_birer | what? |
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| 23:45.44 | jimmy_birer | i bugging bots? |
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| 23:45.47 | peterS | use /msg if you must botsturbate |
| 23:45.53 | jimmy_birer | how |
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| 23:48.02 | jimmy_birer | !en |
| 23:48.02 | dpkg | [en] english |
| 23:48.04 | jimmy_birer | !us |
| 23:48.04 | dpkg | somebody said us was United States (of America), or the first-person plural object pronoun of english |
| 23:48.06 | jimmy_birer | !de |
| 23:48.07 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
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| 23:48.10 | jimmy_birer | !es |
| 23:48.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:48.11 | jimmy_birer | !tr |
| 23:48.11 | dpkg | it has been said that tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 23:48.12 | jimmy_birer | !dk |
| 23:48.13 | dpkg | well, dk is Hvis du vil tale dansk og få hjælp til debian, skriv /join #linux.dk in your irc client, also the country Denmark |
| 23:48.14 | jimmy_birer | !sw |
| 23:48.14 | dpkg | troubled: you un-stats whore |
| 23:48.16 | jimmy_birer | !nz |
| 23:48.20 | jimmy_birer | !pg |
| 23:48.21 | dpkg | pg is, like, shortname for postgreSQL, and I heard it is better than mysql! |
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| 23:48.29 | ferris_ | I am looking for some help with webmin installed on an Ubuntu 8.04 system. I am trying to "sudo aptitude install lvm2" with automated "y" responses for user input |
| 23:48.30 | jimmy_birer | !de |
| 23:48.30 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
| 23:48.33 | jimmy_birer | !en |
| 23:48.33 | dpkg | [en] english |
| 23:48.34 | jimmy_birer | !de |
| 23:48.36 | gx009 | !ops jimmy_birer spamming channel |
| 23:48.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: gx009 complains about: jimmy_birer spamming channel |
| 23:48.37 | jimmy_birer | !en |
| 23:48.50 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 23:48.51 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@86.121.108.107] by peterS |
| 23:48.51 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 23:48.59 | dvs | thank god |
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| 23:49.00 | peterS | jimmy_birer: we asked you to stop |
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| 23:49.47 | themill | dpkg: tell ferris_ about ubuntu |
| 23:50.35 | vampirefrog | hi guys. the debian netinst cd won't work for me (kernel trouble, i think my chipset is too new?) but the current (gentoo) kernel works... I'd like to reinstall debian... or perhaps ubuntu, but I need to know how to install without a live cd, but with a running linux installation (and I'll keep the kernel from this one too) |
| 23:50.39 | themill | thanks, staff, peterS |
| 23:50.47 | ferris_ | themill.... it is true... but debian commands usually work very well in ubuntu when coupled with sudo |
| 23:50.50 | dvs | K-lined? thank god |
| 23:51.03 | vorian | /69/72 |
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| 23:51.18 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@86.121.108.107] by peterS |
| 23:51.19 | themill | ferris_: if you want help from #debian, then the polite thing to do is install debian. We also hate webmin, so you're failing on two counts. |
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| 23:51.36 | Benzi | hey |
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| 23:52.00 | Benzi | I'm using the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/Kde4schroot like a noob |
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| 23:52.10 | ferris_ | i have debian installed on two systems and ubuntu as a server, sorry you hate webmin themill |
| 23:52.11 | Benzi | to create a chroot and run kde 4 from it |
| 23:52.48 | Benzi | but I when I get to the part where I have to do schroot -u root, I get the following error: |
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| 23:53.20 | ferris_ | i also have a vista and xp systems and this dual boot laptop, so i guess i am REALLY out of luck! |
| 23:53.28 | ferris_ | thanks !not |
| 23:53.32 | Benzi | http://pastebin.com/m4b4e8806 |
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| 23:54.05 | Benzi | any idea what causes this, or how to fix it? |
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| 23:54.59 | enouf | Trewas: abrotman jelly etc, same thing with feh, nothing but Black screen, although trying with "feh -p --scale-down /tmp/HurricaneEvac-AllTravelMap.jpg" displays a vertical half screen size image of a very small black and gray diagonal checkerboard pattern |
| 23:55.40 | enouf | I have got HUGE feeling there's missing files + information, like CSS sheets and JS and stuff |
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| 23:56.26 | enouf | since i found a file named just /tmp/Hurricane in /tmp also, but it's just an HTML doc with scripts mentioned above |
| 23:57.42 | enouf | oh, and the --help mentions that --scale-down only works with -P, however there is no valid -P option when i tried - i think it's a typo ? |
| 23:58.01 | enouf | (capital P vs small p) |
| 23:58.10 | enouf | feh: invalid option -- P |
| 23:58.21 | vampirefrog | just can't make it P |
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| 23:58.37 | enouf | yo vamp :-P |
| 23:59.08 | vampirefrog | how can I install debian from a running linux (gentoo)? |
| 23:59.18 | vampirefrog | the netinst cd fails |
| 23:59.19 | enouf | Benzi: maybe a kde channel - or #debian-kde |
| 23:59.30 | Benzi | okay |
| 23:59.34 | enouf | !debootstrap |
| 23:59.35 | dpkg | debootstrap is, like, <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 23:59.45 | Benzi | thing is, I haven't done anything with kde yet, it's just the chroot that's having a problem |
| 23:59.50 | vampirefrog | ahh |
