| 00:00.00 | vampirefrog | thx |
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| 00:00.28 | vampirefrog | just having so much trouble with gentoo, now I'm trying to fix printing but gosh it's boring to see those things compile :D |
| 00:00.53 | vampirefrog | that link doesn't work |
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| 00:01.00 | vampirefrog | but I'll fnd it |
| 00:04.21 | enouf | Trewas: abrotman jelly etc, but more likely than not, the /tmp/Hurricane HTML file was due to 1st try at d/l cause the Filename is actually "http://..texasoniline.... Hurricane Evac-All TravelMap.jpg" <-- with spaces .. ugh |
| 00:04.59 | enouf | "http://..texasoniline..../Hurricane Evac-All TravelMap.jpg" <-- better example |
| 00:05.09 | Benzi | hmm |
| 00:05.18 | Benzi | I think I might have skipped the step where I run debootstrap, lol |
| 00:05.39 | enouf | vampirefrog: i do "make 2>/dev/null" a lot :-P |
| 00:05.54 | vampirefrog | enouf, still takes a lot longer than apt-get :) |
| 00:06.25 | enouf | vampirefrog: much - but helps when you keep failing at a certain compile but an hour into it esch time |
| 00:07.31 | enouf | vampirefrog: keeps the HDD from thrashing from the console spewing thousands upon thousands of lines of useless warning massages :-P |
| 00:08.32 | vampirefrog | I'll just switch back to deb |
| 00:08.59 | enouf | vampirefrog: try http://goodbye-windows.com yet? :-P |
| 00:09.40 | enouf | i guess you could run an .exe from withing wine? lmao |
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| 00:10.18 | enouf | Benzi: haha .. keep on |
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| 00:11.38 | enouf | goes for a bit |
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| 00:12.46 | `Jess | how do i restart networking? :X |
| 00:13.56 | `Jess | help me please |
| 00:13.58 | `Jess | :'( |
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| 00:16.35 | vampirefrog | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.36 | vampirefrog | ? |
| 00:22.06 | j_pinx_away | I've just been reading that Debian now recommends 512RAM and 5Gb HDD space for a gui install -- no wonder my old laptop is grunting a bit |
| 00:23.05 | fedya | if i purge all the apache packages, and i still have /etc/apache2, is that because some of those files i created and the package will not purge them? |
| 00:23.09 | j_pinx_away | and a 1GHz CPU |
| 00:23.52 | j_pinx_away | fedya: AFAIK anything you made yourself will not be purged by apt |
| 00:24.04 | fedya | what's AFAIK? |
| 00:24.15 | j_pinx_away | As Far As I Know |
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| 00:26.46 | torr | hi |
| 00:27.35 | torr | I did something about a filename, and now I can't write down this filename to the folder :/ who can it be? |
| 00:27.58 | torr | it doesn't give me any errors, just it doesn't appear in the folder |
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| 00:29.11 | j_pinx_away | torr: do ls -al /path/to/folder and see if it is there |
| 00:30.08 | torr | jpinx, its not |
| 00:30.35 | jpinx | then it doesn't exist |
| 00:30.43 | torr | I know |
| 00:30.53 | torr | I can't make it exist either |
| 00:31.00 | jpinx | what are you trying to do - remember what commands you typed? |
| 00:31.04 | torr | that is whatstrange |
| 00:31.21 | torr | I try to add something to vsftpd |
| 00:31.27 | torr | and I debug it with ddd |
| 00:31.40 | torr | so there are fstat, open |
| 00:31.46 | Benzi | so, to make sure |
| 00:31.47 | torr | stuf like that |
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| 00:32.16 | Benzi | if I have a chroot open in a terminal, and I use ctrl+d to exit the terminal, I'm safe, right? |
| 00:32.38 | Benzi | the chroot is undone and none of my files on the real system are at risk of being altered by the chroot anymore? |
| 00:33.09 | jpinx | torr: I am unsure what youa re trying to do |
| 00:34.14 | torr | jpinx, just trying to figure out why the filename is not showing/unavailable |
| 00:34.25 | gx009 | when the terminal is killed .. whatever process was running in it dies too |
| 00:34.33 | jpinx | torr: what filename? |
| 00:34.41 | torr | eicar.com |
| 00:34.59 | torr | irrelevant though |
| 00:35.09 | jpinx | if it doesn't exist you can touch it |
| 00:35.19 | karlpinc | Benzi : Right. (although you can still alter your files if your filesystems are mounted.) |
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| 00:36.30 | torr | I touch and it doesn't show up |
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| 00:36.49 | jpinx | do you have permissions? |
| 00:37.02 | jpinx | torr: is the folder rw or ro |
| 00:37.38 | torr | jpinx, I touched an other name and that other name appeared |
| 00:37.40 | binrapt | Blah this "pay to get a trusted SSL certificate" business is criminal |
| 00:37.41 | torr | so |
| 00:37.47 | binrapt | I just want the encryption |
| 00:37.59 | torr | the same thing on eicar.com does nothing |
| 00:38.35 | binrapt | Can I use SSL somehow without paying for anything but also without having users' browsers rebel like mad? FF3 even blocks the Mozilla site by default etc because of this |
| 00:39.11 | jpinx | torr: very odd. try rm eicar.com first |
| 00:39.49 | jpinx | delete the non-existant file and then try to touch it |
| 00:39.58 | torr | I did |
| 00:40.01 | jpinx | or try to touch it in a different folder |
| 00:40.03 | torr | no change |
| 00:40.18 | torr | in different folder it works |
| 00:40.41 | crashanddie | directory |
| 00:40.50 | jpinx | what is in the log? |
| 00:40.53 | torr | no go |
| 00:41.00 | torr | which log? |
| 00:41.09 | jpinx | maybe syslog |
| 00:41.10 | Wyzard | binrapt: Encryption doesn't do you any good if someone else can get a certificate with your domain on it and do a man-in-the-middle attack |
| 00:41.36 | Wyzard | binrapt: The point of having trusted certificate authorities is that they verify that you're actually the owner of the domain before they give you a certificate for it |
| 00:42.03 | torr | nothing about that in syslog |
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| 00:42.14 | torr | the system doesn't know about it I think |
| 00:42.40 | Wyzard | binrapt: Browsers don't accept certificates from non-trusted CAs because they could be forgeries |
| 00:43.03 | gx009 | genius |
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| 00:43.27 | binrapt | I don't understand, what does it matter as long as it comes from the right ite? |
| 00:43.29 | binrapt | *right site |
| 00:43.51 | Benzi | what does this error mean? |
| 00:43.57 | Benzi | http://pastebin.com/m3fd783d5 |
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| 00:45.01 | Wyzard | binrapt: Imagine that you're running a site called foo.com, so you get a certificate that says it belongs to foo.com |
| 00:45.10 | binrapt | Yes |
| 00:45.41 | Wyzard | binrapt: Now imagine that I get a certificate of my own that also says it belongs to foo.com, and I intercept all your site's traffic and direct it to my own site instead |
| 00:45.51 | jpinx | torr: - sorry - you've beaten me -- not hard to do though ;) |
| 00:46.13 | torr | I am beet too |
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| 00:46.18 | torr | maybe sleep some |
| 00:46.27 | Wyzard | binrapt: My certificate says foo.com too, so users think they're connecting to the real site, and if I re-encrypt the traffic with your real certificate and pass it along to your real server, the users see the real site and can interact with it |
| 00:46.29 | jpinx | torr: I'd copy that dir contents into another one and then delete the dir |
| 00:46.33 | Wyzard | binrapt: but I can read all the traffic |
| 00:46.47 | jpinx | torr;then |
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| 00:47.07 | jpinx | create a new dir again an dtry again |
| 00:47.07 | binrapt | Sounds like a paranoid scenario |
| 00:47.14 | binrapt | But I do see what you mean |
| 00:47.31 | torr | ok |
| 00:47.32 | Wyzard | binrapt: It's called a man-in-the-middle attack and it's one of the basic types of attacks that anyone in the security field is familiar with |
| 00:47.47 | binrapt | Yeah makes sense |
| 00:47.55 | Wyzard | binrapt: The defense against it is that browsers only accept certificates from certain trusted companies, which verify identity before issuing a certificate |
| 00:48.02 | torr | maybe I should check my filesystem |
| 00:48.03 | Wyzard | binrapt: so they wouldn't give me a certificate with your site's domain on it |
| 00:48.22 | binrapt | And without my hidden data you are unable to produce the correct data, eh? |
| 00:48.25 | jpinx | torr: man fschk |
| 00:48.30 | gx009 | security cannot exist without paranoia.. unless you're in heaven.. then you dont need paranoia |
| 00:48.43 | binrapt | Except there's no heaven |
| 00:49.07 | torr | no man fschk |
| 00:49.20 | torr | fsck |
| 00:49.24 | Wyzard | binrapt: Without a valid certificate for foo.com, if I intercept your traffic your users get warnings from their browsers that the site may be a forgery -- because it is |
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| 00:50.37 | jpinx | torr: yea |
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| 00:51.15 | jhamlin | I can't seem to get youtube to work... can anyone point be to some instructions? |
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| 00:51.23 | jpinx | torr: I seem to remember there is a risk if you fsck a mounted filesystem |
| 00:51.30 | binrapt | Wyzard and why isn't this validation service offered for free? |
| 00:51.35 | binrapt | Greedy slobs |
| 00:52.12 | octox2 | are twin monitors righ out with kde4.1 so far ? |
| 00:52.12 | Wyzard | binrapt: Would you be willing to spend your workday verifying random strangers' identity for free? |
| 00:52.21 | torr | how does : e2fck /dev/sdd |
| 00:52.23 | torr | look? |
| 00:52.29 | jpinx | jhamlin: http://www.youtube.com/ |
| 00:52.35 | torr | is this command ok? |
| 00:52.38 | binrapt | Wyzard yes |
| 00:52.45 | jpinx | torr: is the filesystem mounte4d? |
| 00:52.50 | jpinx | *mounted |
| 00:52.55 | binrapt | Absolutely |
| 00:52.58 | gx009 | start working then |
| 00:52.59 | torr | yes |
| 00:53.18 | jpinx | umount the filesystem first |
| 00:53.31 | torr | it is my main fs |
| 00:53.35 | jhamlin | Is it currently possible to watch youtube vids using debian? |
| 00:53.46 | Wyzard | jhamlin: yes |
| 00:53.54 | Wyzard | jhamlin: All YouTube needs is a browser with Flash |
| 00:54.35 | jpinx | jhamlin: yes |
| 00:54.40 | gx009 | so, check that you have flash9 or 10 and that your FF plugins are correct |
| 00:54.41 | Wyzard | jhamlin: Adobe Flash is in a package called "flashplugin-nonfree" in the non-free section of Debian |
| 00:55.02 | Wyzard | There are also some free implementations of Flash, but they don't work as well |
| 00:55.05 | jpinx | torr: read the man pages carefully |
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| 00:55.21 | gx009 | gnash is faulty as hell |
| 00:55.55 | jhamlin | Wyzard: thanks. Wow I somehow thought I had installed that allready but I hadn't |
| 00:55.56 | Wyzard | Last time I used gnash, it would kill my entire login session in its cleanup function |
| 00:56.00 | Wyzard | though that was a few years ago |
| 00:56.27 | jhamlin | Nice webcam of the large hadron collider: http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html |
| 00:56.48 | gx009 | it still has not even come out of alpha state.. kind of pityful |
| 00:57.45 | jpinx | torr: http://linux.die.net/man/8/e2fsck |
| 00:57.46 | KleinerHai | How can i unlink a file? |
| 00:58.21 | torr | man unlink? |
| 00:58.24 | gx009 | then again, reverse engineering is some tedious job |
| 00:58.48 | KleinerHai | ln -s /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf /etc/apache2/conf.d |
| 00:59.26 | KleinerHai | Since this I can't open the website on my debian server :(. |
| 00:59.33 | torr | delete |
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| 00:59.35 | torr | rm |
| 00:59.50 | KleinerHai | What? The apache.conf file??? |
| 01:00.00 | torr | the link is another file |
| 01:00.03 | torr | do a backup |
| 01:00.14 | torr | in case you delete the wrong file |
| 01:00.16 | jhamlin | Hmmmm why is youtube so jumpy? |
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| 01:00.34 | torr | jhamlin, new flash version maybe |
| 01:01.39 | jhamlin | torr: it's totally unwatchable in fullscreen |
| 01:01.53 | torr | ah |
| 01:02.07 | torr | jhamlin, do you have the latest version? |
| 01:02.31 | jhamlin | torr: I installed flashplugin-nonfree from backports |
| 01:03.01 | gx009 | i've had a negative experience using konqueror for flash content |
| 01:03.25 | jhamlin | gx009: i'm using iceweasel |
| 01:03.27 | torr | jhamlin, I don't know, I am just raising ideas |
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| 01:04.12 | skual | hi there |
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| 01:04.48 | skual | i have two htdocs directories for two websites |
| 01:05.11 | skual | i want to access file from one to another but i got a open_basedir error |
| 01:05.20 | skual | i don't want to change php ini file |
| 01:05.33 | skual | i just want to have ability to access from one to another |
| 01:06.07 | skual | i try to make a chown root on both directory doesn't seem to work |
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| 01:09.22 | KleinerHai | man ln :D That's it :D I've unlinked a file from another with ln -f |
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| 01:09.25 | KleinerHai | :D |
| 01:09.28 | KleinerHai | Eaaaaaasy :D |
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| 01:09.51 | prolix | hi |
| 01:10.18 | mr_flea | I'm trying to build a source package manually and then package it as a deb, but it's going pretty badly. Does anyone have a howto I could read? I tried dpkg-buildpackage, but it clobbered my work and reconfigured without the options I selected, the tried to build it on its own. |
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| 01:11.07 | prolix | can i use grep with man foo? |
| 01:11.09 | remitaylor | i have an apt-specific question. there's a package that i've downgraded because of a bug in the version in apt. whenever i run an apt install/upgrade, it auto upgrades my package (back to the one with the bug). how can i tell it not to auto-upgrade this specific package? |
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| 01:11.58 | mr_flea | remitaylor: Apt pinning can do what you're after, but I can't tell you exactly how. |
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| 01:13.02 | remitaylor | mr_flea: awesome, thanks :) |
| 01:13.11 | mr_flea | prolix: I don't think so, but if you're searching for something, you can use /word to search for "word" in the manual page (assuming your pager is less) |
| 01:13.31 | karlpinc | prolix : Or read "man less" and learn how to search while reading man; a better choice. |
| 01:13.32 | mr_flea | remitaylor: No problem. |
| 01:13.54 | prolix | mr_flea: thank you. reason i asked is because i was looking at their cached pages and how it highlights the search terms and i thought that was pretty neat |
| 01:14.04 | prolix | their=google's |
| 01:15.03 | mr_flea | prolix: No problem. less usually highlights all the matches too (although without the nice colors, it just inverts the color) |
| 01:15.09 | prolix | karlpinc: working harder is less attractive than working smarter, imo |
| 01:15.20 | prolix | mr_flea: thank you again |
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| 01:17.41 | prolix | doesn't x come with colors? |
| 01:17.48 | prolix | i mean, won't x display colors? |
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| 01:20.12 | enouf | jhamlin: i use mplayer only for youtube, no browsers, no plugins |
| 01:20.22 | enouf | jhamlin: /msg dpkg youtube script |
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| 01:21.14 | enouf | jhamlin: there;s also other similar things around - youtube-dl is one such debian pkg |
| 01:22.27 | jhamlin | enouf: thanks very much |
| 01:22.35 | enouf | Wyzard: thanks for the info about certificate auth, i certainly got something from that |
| 01:22.42 | enouf | jhamlin: np |
| 01:25.44 | enouf | so binrapt , i got a site - can you sign my cert for me? :-P |
| 01:25.44 | binrapt | Sure thing |
| 01:25.44 | binrapt | Except nobody recognises my authority |
| 01:25.44 | enouf | b00h00 |
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| 01:25.44 | binrapt | But seriously though why you pay that much for it? I mean how much traffic does this cause? |
| 01:25.44 | binrapt | It's rather minor per user, no? |
| 01:25.44 | enouf | i wonder how much is takes to actually become a "trusted authirity" |
| 01:25.44 | enouf | so you can sign your own - and others' |
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| 01:25.44 | enouf | look at thwate, verisign, etc? |
| 01:25.49 | binrapt | Billions and billions of EUROs |
| 01:25.50 | binrapt | :[ |
| 01:26.12 | enouf | heck, if the Banko de Brasilio can get one, so can i :-P |
| 01:26.26 | binrapt | But what if there is a Middleman between VeriSign and the client too? |
| 01:26.33 | binrapt | Aren't you screwed then? |
| 01:26.48 | binrapt | pokes Wyzard |
| 01:26.52 | enouf | yep - better make sure you're connecting to the true trsuted auth |
| 01:27.02 | binrapt | Well you can't, can you :) |
| 01:27.05 | binrapt | It can be faked |
| 01:27.17 | binrapt | In the end you have to trust something at some point |
| 01:27.19 | enouf | binrapt: hence the "paranoia" with no heaven |
| 01:27.21 | Wyzard | binrapt: You can if you check that the site's certificate is signed by Verisign |
| 01:27.33 | remitaylor | anyone have any experience pinning packages. i've manually downgraded a package (from a .deb) and i'm trying to tell apt to not upgrade my package (or mess with anything that depends on it) |
| 01:27.47 | enouf | !hold |
| 01:27.48 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 01:27.54 | binrapt | The Middleman can ruin the check, too :) |
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| 01:28.04 | binrapt | Unless you use like...a phone |
| 01:28.08 | remitaylor | enouf: thanks - trying |
| 01:28.13 | binrapt | Or you go to VeriSign haha |
| 01:28.14 | newpers | i see some init scripts, but don't know how to use them in debian |
| 01:28.20 | newpers | service foo start? |
| 01:28.35 | enouf | !rcconf |
| 01:28.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rcconf is a frontend to update-rc.d, or check out <sysv-rc-conf> - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
| 01:28.42 | Wyzard | binrapt: Nobody but Verisign can make a certificate signed by Verisign, so if you check the certificate and it's signed by them, you know there's no middleman |
| 01:29.05 | newpers | /etc/init.d/foo start works, but i'm sure there's another way |
| 01:29.16 | Wyzard | binrapt: The real place to worry about a middleman is when you download your browser -- how do you know the set of preinstalled "trusted" CA certificates hasn't been tampered with? |
| 01:29.18 | enouf | newpers: /msg dpkg startup and /msg dpkg services and /msg dpkg runlevels .. etc |
| 01:29.30 | binrapt | I seee |
| 01:29.37 | enouf | invoke-rc.d |
| 01:30.08 | newpers | enouf: was that for me? |
| 01:30.15 | newpers | i actually want to run restart |
| 01:30.19 | enouf | yes newpers - many were ;-) |
| 01:30.27 | binrapt | I suppose I don't fully grasp the math involved yet. I was even surprised to find out that you can encrypt stuff which cannot even be easily decrypted even if you have all the packets of the conversations |
| 01:30.32 | newpers | ha! |
| 01:30.32 | Wyzard | binrapt: Someone could create their own CA and put it into your browser download, and then use it to sign phony certificates (with arbitrary names on them) which your browser would then trust |
| 01:30.41 | newpers | thanks |
| 01:30.46 | infinity_ | whats the program that creates a package out of "make install" ?? |
| 01:30.48 | enouf | there;s no Fedora style system that i know of |
| 01:30.58 | Wyzard | binrapt: That's the whole point of cryptography, that without the key you can't decrypt the data |
| 01:31.12 | remitaylor | enouf: i tried putting a hold on the package - i even tried putting a hold on the packages that require this package. apt still tried upgrading the package :( |
| 01:31.14 | enouf | but there's a lot of other stuff to play with, file-rc pkg, initng ? |
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| 01:31.46 | binrapt | Wyzard yeah but I have yet to grasp how the system works that doesn't actually send the private keys heh |
| 01:31.51 | enouf | remitaylor: well, all i can say is /msg dpkg pinning |
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| 01:32.33 | binrapt | Decrypting something even though some data is hidden from you hm |
| 01:32.33 | remitaylor | thanks, checking some more doco ... |
| 01:32.44 | enouf | remitaylor: without getting into details, i can't help .. and i really would rather not, as it could be confusing - also, did you check backports.org for your weird pkg? |
| 01:32.59 | enouf | you should try to use or make backports over pinning in most cases |
| 01:33.04 | Wyzard | binrapt: In public-key cryptography, you encrypt data using the public key, and the result can only be decrypted with the corresponding private key |
| 01:33.04 | binrapt | I always thought it wouldn't be possible without everything being visible |
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| 01:33.11 | enouf | man apt_preferences remitaylor |
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| 01:33.23 | Wyzard | binrapt: A certificate is a public key |
| 01:33.32 | binrapt | Ok |
| 01:33.45 | binrapt | Wyzard do you grasp the math behind it? I wanted to look into it once |
| 01:33.49 | remitaylor | enouf: awesome - thanks |
| 01:34.07 | Wyzard | binrapt: And a private key can be used to make a digital signature, which anyone who has the public key can verify |
| 01:34.31 | prolix | blowfish? |
| 01:34.36 | binrapt | And it's all dynamically generated for every request so the Middleman can't fake the Verisign one eh? |
| 01:35.01 | Wyzard | binrapt: The way you check someone's identity (such as a site's) using public-key cryptography is to pick a random number and send it to the other party (the site) to be signed... the site sends back the signature of your random number, and you verify it with the public key (the site's certificate) |
| 01:35.13 | Sweetandy | Is there a package with 'info' data for core GNU programs like cat? The man file for cat says one ought to exist. |
| 01:35.37 | Wyzard | binrapt: If it verifies, you know that the site has the private key corresponding to that certificate |
| 01:35.59 | Wyzard | binrapt: That's part of the SSL protocol, when you connect to an https:// site |
| 01:36.08 | binrapt | How of |
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| 01:36.14 | binrapt | How often is this data exchanged? |
| 01:36.22 | binrapt | How frequently is the authority invoked? |
| 01:36.34 | binrapt | And how large are the packets for each exchange approximately? |
| 01:37.04 | Wyzard | Authentication is part of the connection process |
| 01:37.12 | Wyzard | It doesn't involve communicating with the CA (e.g. Verisign) |
| 01:37.33 | binrapt | Oh, it uses the files that come with the browser eh? |
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| 01:38.55 | enouf | binrapt: someone gave me this link once - oh crap. it |
| 01:39.09 | Wyzard | binrapt: the site's certificate contains a signature made by Verisign's private key, which can be validated using Verisign's certificate that's built into your browser |
| 01:39.12 | enouf | binrapt: someone gave me this link once - oh crap. it's dead ,.. but maybe another from here might help http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/05/18/debian-ssh-problems/ |
| 01:40.06 | binrapt | Well I don't have a problem with the software :p I have a problem with the system, didn't know how authorities worked until now |
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| 01:40.21 | Wyzard | binrapt: Your browser checks the signature to verify that the site's certificate was issued by Verisign, and your browser trusts Verisign to only issue certificates to the entities whose name is on them |
| 01:40.28 | binrapt | Oh SSH |
| 01:40.48 | Wyzard | binrapt: so your browser trusts that the site presenting the valid foo.com certificate is really foo.com and not an attacker pretending to be foo.com |
| 01:41.18 | Wyzard | binrapt: You might be interested in the book "Applied Cryptography" by Bruce Schneier, btw |
| 01:42.02 | Wyzard | binrapt: it's written to be understandable by people with no prior knowledge of crypto, and you can probably find it at your local library |
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| 01:43.00 | binrapt | I have basic university math knowledge at least |
| 01:44.15 | Wyzard | The actual mathematics of cryptography is pretty advanced, but cryptographic operations and protocols (what we're talking about here) don't involve math |
| 01:44.18 | binrapt | Finite fields, polynomial rings etc |
| 01:44.31 | binrapt | Well I was actually interested in the maths behind it heh |
| 01:44.44 | Wyzard | That's fine, but you need to learn the basics first |
| 01:44.50 | binrapt | Yeah |
| 01:45.11 | Wyzard | learn what a cipher is, what a hash function is, what Diffie-Hellmann key exchange is, that sort of thing |
| 01:45.18 | Wyzard | then you can learn about the details of how they work |
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| 01:46.23 | enouf | infinity_: dpkg-buildpackage .. but that's meant for use with debian sources - i think you mean checkinstall? |
| 01:46.27 | Wyzard | (DH key exchange, btw, is a way for two computers to generate a random secret key that they both know, without it ever being sent over the network between them... that's also used in SSL) |
| 01:46.55 | binrapt | Oh yeah apropos hash, I wanted to understand the math behind stuff like FNV-1 too, that prime multiplication mechanism is surprisingly effective |
| 01:47.20 | binrapt | Quite fascinating those |
| 01:47.33 | binrapt | A similar mechanism is used in the Microsoft rand() implementation haha |
| 01:47.40 | binrapt | I remembered the prime |
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| 01:47.55 | binrapt | Wyzard yeah that's interesting |
| 01:48.24 | Wyzard | I haven't heard of FNV-1, but the algorithms used by a rand() implementation are designed for speed, not unpredictability, and are *not* suitable for cryptography |
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| 01:48.32 | binrapt | Yes :p |
| 01:48.46 | Sweetandy | package for coreutils info pages, anyone? |
| 01:48.52 | gx009 | the 'hack' has to happen before your connection to the trusted source... SSL is a trusted method on its own |
| 01:48.54 | binrapt | I never cared about cryptographic hashes so far |
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| 01:49.05 | binrapt | Only stuff for hashing tables or packet checksum algorithms etc |
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| 01:50.30 | skual | Hi |
| 01:50.44 | skual | i want to set php_admin_value open_basedir for just one virtualhost |
| 01:50.48 | skual | i'm using vhcs2 |
| 01:51.12 | skual | but i don't know how in what file i need to add this line |
| 01:51.29 | skual | where could i found my virtualhost file in debian / vhcs2 |
| 01:51.30 | skual | ? |
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| 01:53.52 | Wyzard | VHCS2 seems to be a frontend for configuring virtual hosting, but it's not in Debian |
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| 01:54.12 | Wyzard | http://www.vhcs.net/new/ would be a good place to look, except that the documentation link seems to be broken |
| 01:54.25 | stevedondley | ping dondelelcaro |
| 01:54.39 | stevedondley | anyone here run a webserver that's cuil has crashed? |
| 01:54.50 | skual | ok thanks |
| 01:55.16 | gx009 | somebody hacked CERN's hadron collider already.. |
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| 01:55.38 | stevedondley | I've had my server go down three times in 2 weeks. I see a big spike in apache processes and then all my sites go down. |
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| 01:56.03 | skual | stevedondley |
| 01:56.03 | skual | http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2008/07/cuils-twiceler-bot-is-a-bad-apple.html |
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| 01:57.01 | stevedondley | yeah, that's why I ask. I suspect cuil is the culprit, but how do I find out for sure? Need to try to pinpoint this problem |
| 01:57.05 | chomwitt | i'm trying to install etch from dvd in a new pc of mine , with intel's DG45ID mobo and core quad. In default install i saw a shaky image of the installer first screen, (in gui, i see no problem) . I saw a bios bug mentioned from initrm? . Could it be a problem? |
| 01:57.30 | chomwitt | initrd |
| 01:57.50 | skual | gx009, you cannot hack swiss made product :D |
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| 02:05.46 | p1ngp0ng | is java plugin for amd64 supported in etchnhalf? |
| 02:06.11 | p1ngp0ng | also, is there a howto on installing truecrypt on etch? |
| 02:06.42 | Wyzard | p1ngp0ng: There's no such thing |
| 02:06.52 | Wyzard | p1ngp0ng: in Sun Java at least; dunno about openjdk |
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| 02:07.09 | p1ngp0ng | what do you mean there is no such thing as truecrypt? |
| 02:07.12 | jd_ | how can i tell if my mysql from apt is 64bit mysql? |
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| 02:07.17 | p1ngp0ng | and what is the sun java package plugin named? |
| 02:07.22 | Wyzard | p1ngp0ng: I mean the 64-bit Java plugin... it doesn't exist |
| 02:07.23 | jd_ | i get the feeling its 32bit |
| 02:07.28 | p1ngp0ng | oh |
| 02:07.42 | Wyzard | There's a 64-bit JVM, which works fine, but it doesn't have a browser plugin |
| 02:07.47 | p1ngp0ng | you know if there is a good howto/tutorial on installing trycrypt on debian etch then? |
| 02:08.00 | Wyzard | nope, I use LUKS for encrypted volumes |
| 02:08.15 | p1ngp0ng | is it better or just as good? |
| 02:08.38 | Wyzard | I don't know enough about TrueCrypt to compare |
| 02:10.13 | p1ngp0ng | seems its quite a bit faster then truecrypt |
| 02:10.55 | p1ngp0ng | i also see that truecrypt provides plausible deniability, fluks doesnt. what ever that means |
| 02:10.57 | Wyzard | jd_: If you're running 64-bit Debian, all your packages are 64-bit |
| 02:11.19 | Wyzard | jd_: Why do you "get the feeling" your MySQL is 32-bit? |
| 02:12.02 | jd_ | its only using 2 gigs of ram Wyzard |
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| 02:12.10 | jd_ | i gave it 6 for key and table buffers |
| 02:12.13 | jd_ | 6g |
| 02:12.33 | Wyzard | Maybe that's all it needs right now |
| 02:12.46 | Wyzard | Just because you set a 6G upper limit doesn't mean it allocates that much immediately |
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| 02:13.10 | jd_ | sure, its a large db , 167gig , and gets a decent amount of traffic |
| 02:13.17 | jd_ | so i thought maybe something was up |
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| 02:13.51 | Wyzard | Well, if you want to check, run: file /usr/bin/mysqld_safe |
| 02:14.14 | Wyzard | It should say "ELF 64-bit LSB executable" |
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| 02:15.03 | Wyzard | (I *think* mysqld_safe is the actual daemon... not sure since I don't actually have a MySQL installation) |
| 02:16.43 | jd_ | its a shell script |
| 02:16.49 | jd_ | im looking for the daemon |
| 02:17.06 | Wyzard | OK, I must've mixed up which is the wrapper script and which is the daemon |
| 02:17.23 | jd_ | /usr/bin/mysqld |
| 02:17.27 | jd_ | and it is 64bit |
| 02:17.28 | jd_ | thanks |
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| 02:31.27 | hydroponic | Anyone know if a "visor" (OS X) alternative for Linux? It's a system-wide terminal which looks like the Quake terminals, and opens up using a hotkey. it's brilliant! |
| 02:32.51 | zinx | yakuake? |
| 02:33.01 | zinx | but it uses konsole, which i can't approve of personally :x |
| 02:33.17 | dudeman | why not? |
| 02:33.24 | dudeman | I use konsole and its pretty good I think |
| 02:33.25 | zinx | there's also tilda and yeahconsole apparently |
| 02:33.44 | zinx | dudeman: it doesn't even support ^@? but i have an unreasonable hatred for all things Qt as well |
| 02:33.56 | dudeman | fair enough |
| 02:34.02 | dudeman | I hate anything gtk |
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| 02:34.33 | dudeman | I'm also kinda drunk right now, during ramadan no less.. I'm going to hell. I know it |
| 02:34.37 | zinx | and you are free to do so, as long as it's not for fake reasons (i.e, for real reasons or for no reason at all :P ) |
| 02:35.03 | dudeman | I actually dislike the file open/save dialog design in gtk2 apps |
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| 02:35.08 | zinx | everyone does |
| 02:35.12 | dudeman | its just not very well thought out and its just horrible |
| 02:35.13 | zinx | you can blame GNOME for that one |
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| 02:35.25 | dudeman | ah so I'm not the only one then |
| 02:35.34 | zinx | they managed to get their really crappy file dialog in gtk by some method, i don't know how |
| 02:35.44 | zinx | the gtk1 file dialog had problems, but it was actually decent to use |
| 02:35.45 | dudeman | zinx, another reason is that gtk2 engines are hard color coded |
| 02:35.50 | zinx | dudeman: no they aren't. |
| 02:35.56 | dudeman | zinx, unlike qt controls |
| 02:35.58 | zinx | maybe some are, but most aren't |
| 02:36.02 | dudeman | you can actually modify color schemes |
| 02:36.10 | zinx | you can do that in every gtk2 theme i have ever used. |
| 02:36.16 | dudeman | how? |
| 02:36.18 | zinx | i couldn't tell you one that won't let you change the colors. |
| 02:36.25 | zinx | the gtkrc |
| 02:36.31 | dudeman | oh c'mon man |
| 02:36.39 | dudeman | thats so unintuitive |
| 02:36.40 | zinx | there are frontends to configure it. |
| 02:36.50 | dudeman | kde has a color scheme thing, gtk2/gnome does not |
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| 02:37.11 | zinx | gnome-color-chooser |
| 02:37.16 | p1ngp0ng | what is the command to show which cpu arcitechture i have? |
| 02:37.16 | dudeman | zinx, if it isn't important enough to be in gnome-control-center then gnome sucks too much for me to use :) |
| 02:37.20 | dudeman | thats a real reason |
| 02:37.28 | dudeman | p1ngp0ng, cat /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 02:37.33 | dudeman | p1ngp0ng, uname -r |
| 02:37.40 | zinx | dudeman: that's a pseudoreason tbh :) |
| 02:37.45 | dudeman | sorry |
| 02:37.46 | dudeman | uname -a |
| 02:37.51 | jester45 | well i dont like qt at all so... i use gtk :) |
| 02:38.08 | Wyzard | Recent GNOME versions have a UI in the Appearance control panel for customizing the colors |
| 02:38.20 | dudeman | Wyzard, and about time |
| 02:38.25 | zinx | dudeman: but acceptable enough for me :) and the file dialogs are definitely a real reason ;) |
| 02:38.32 | dudeman | indeed |
| 02:38.40 | dudeman | Johnnie Walker Red Label |
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| 02:38.50 | dudeman | two pags and I'm already drunk! |
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| 02:39.17 | streuner_ | go into bed then :-) |
| 02:39.19 | dudeman | zinx, are you a developer? |
| 02:39.22 | dudeman | streuner_, HEY! |
| 02:39.28 | dudeman | streuner_, long time no see man where you been? |
| 02:39.31 | zinx | dudeman: i am indeed |
| 02:39.39 | dudeman | zinx, cool |
| 02:39.57 | dudeman | zinx, I recently started it as a profession now, and for past 1 job I been doing it |
| 02:40.11 | dudeman | I start my new job on monday, as a sr. web developer |
| 02:40.14 | dudeman | mostly php :( |
| 02:40.20 | zinx | C guy myself |
| 02:40.26 | dudeman | I used to do .NET C# and then I stopped, I hate it |
| 02:40.27 | zinx | but i can program in pretty much anything |
| 02:40.50 | p1ngp0ng | dudeman: thanks. |
| 02:40.50 | dudeman | zinx, once you know procedural and oop you just need to learn languge specific things |
| 02:40.53 | dudeman | p1ngp0ng, np |
| 02:41.01 | p1ngp0ng | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.06 | dudeman | yes |
| 02:41.09 | p1ngp0ng | allright |
| 02:41.11 | zinx | p1ngp0ng: yes, amd64 |
| 02:41.13 | dudeman | p1ngp0ng, you can get this info easily |
| 02:41.18 | zinx | p1ngp0ng: in particular, it is *NOT* ia64 |
| 02:41.39 | zinx | p1ngp0ng: though it goes by other names like x86-64, em64t, and confusingly enough intel64 |
| 02:41.55 | p1ngp0ng | hehe, yeh that is confusing |
| 02:42.00 | dudeman | p1ngp0ng, well |
| 02:42.06 | dudeman | p1ngp0ng, look up 64bit on wikipedia |
| 02:42.10 | dudeman | !amd64 |
| 02:42.10 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. |
| 02:42.13 | dudeman | !ia64 |
| 02:42.13 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64. |
| 02:42.15 | dudeman | :D |
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| 02:43.12 | dudeman | zinx, I think I was lost before I started into web development |
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| 02:43.26 | dudeman | zinx, I enjoy the immediate results (no compiling) |
| 02:43.28 | jester45 | ia64 was a good arch i dont know why nothing uses it |
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| 02:43.31 | dudeman | I love interpreted languages |
| 02:43.35 | p1ngp0ng | thanks |
| 02:43.54 | p1ngp0ng | to expensive maybe? |
| 02:44.06 | dudeman | whats expensive? |
| 02:44.10 | zinx | jester45: because it won't run old windows programs |
| 02:44.17 | jester45 | so what |
| 02:44.19 | zinx | jester45: at a reasonable speed, anyway |
| 02:44.20 | dudeman | I love computers of all types |
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| 02:44.25 | jester45 | windows are for breaking not running |
| 02:44.25 | zinx | jester45: so, that's what people want to run. |
| 02:44.27 | dudeman | you can do so much fun stuff with them |
| 02:44.36 | dudeman | I can't imagine why anyone would wanna be a lawyer |
| 02:44.39 | dudeman | or a doctor |
| 02:44.45 | dudeman | computers are too much fun |
| 02:44.53 | jester45 | doctors can do fun things with bodies |
| 02:45.00 | p1ngp0ng | some would say cutting people up is fun to :P |
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| 02:45.21 | dudeman | well 4 years of MBBS + residency + more stuff + licensing exam etc. etc. |
| 02:45.24 | dudeman | nah man |
| 02:45.32 | dudeman | with computers if you got skill you don't need a degree |
| 02:45.39 | dudeman | but if you have one, it pays EVEN MORE |
| 02:45.43 | dudeman | well it can |
| 02:46.02 | dudeman | i can't go practice medicine just by studying it myself, or practice law |
| 02:46.07 | dudeman | but i can practice IT! |
| 02:47.02 | p1ngp0ng | i hear you. it all boils down to interest |
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| 02:47.40 | rideick | dudeman: you're fully right man |
| 02:47.42 | rideick | :) |
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| 02:47.54 | p1ngp0ng | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/506 does this one still work for the current etch release? |
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| 02:48.14 | p1ngp0ng | amd64 that is |
| 02:49.32 | p1ngp0ng | ugh, lol |
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| 02:49.40 | p1ngp0ng | rideick is your nick a anagram? |
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| 02:49.50 | dudeman | ridick with a +e |
| 02:49.52 | dudeman | ? |
| 02:49.58 | dudeman | and a -d |
| 02:49.58 | p1ngp0ng | yeh |
| 02:50.06 | dudeman | riddick |
| 02:50.09 | dudeman | what a gay movie |
| 02:50.17 | dudeman | im gonna go smoke and play guitar bye bye bye |
| 02:50.19 | p1ngp0ng | no, i ment ride*ick |
| 02:51.42 | rideick | p1ngp0ng: thats my nick rideick |
| 02:52.10 | rideick | p1ngp0ng: is there anything wrong with that? |
| 02:52.31 | p1ngp0ng | fair enough. i was just curioius. who knows, you might be a girl (not that they excist on the internets) |
| 02:53.09 | rideick | p1ngp0ng: hehehehhe... no problem... I am a man... |
| 02:53.38 | rideick | p1ngp0ng: hey man, are you from USA? |
| 02:53.59 | p1ngp0ng | nah, im Norwegian |
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| 02:54.19 | rideick | p1ngp0ng: that's great... |
| 02:54.29 | p1ngp0ng | you think so huh? |
| 02:54.37 | rideick | I am from Brazil... I got a friend over there... |
| 02:54.56 | rideick | oh yes I do... I wish I was... |
| 02:55.02 | p1ngp0ng | well, tell you what. you friend is probably freezing his ass off. i know i am |
| 02:55.17 | shivamib | yo, brazil in da house :) |
| 02:55.56 | rideick | p1ngp0ng: I see :) I did it last year in Canada |
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| 02:56.04 | rideick | shivamib: ?? |
| 02:56.20 | shivamib | typing from sao paulo |
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| 02:56.35 | rideick | shivamib: oh really? typing from fortaleza... |
| 02:56.37 | p1ngp0ng | is it possible to find the real IP of someone behind a bouncer? |
| 02:56.41 | p1ngp0ng | or a shell |
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| 02:56.50 | jpinx | nice to see another south american in here :) |
| 02:56.50 | p1ngp0ng | i want to test my tunneling |
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| 02:57.10 | shivamib | i'm sure there are plenty of them lurking around |
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| 02:57.36 | rideick | for sure... |
| 02:57.46 | joaop | there is some effect like aero on compiz ? |
| 02:57.48 | rideick | jpinx: where r u from? |
| 02:57.59 | jpinx | living in Peru |
| 02:58.11 | gx009 | !u |
| 02:58.12 | jpinx | n u? |
| 02:58.12 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 02:59.12 | jpinx | heh |
| 02:59.18 | shivamib | rideick: how hot is it over there? |
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| 03:03.45 | rideick | shivamib: kinda hot... :) |
| 03:03.51 | shivamib | p1ngp0ng: you'd probably melt and evaporate in fortaleza, in a few minutes |
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| 03:04.01 | shivamib | heh |
| 03:04.31 | shivamib | i went up there once, you leave the air-conditioned bus and it feels like you're landing on arrakis |
| 03:04.40 | shivamib | hellish hot |
| 03:04.45 | jpinx | it used to get to 40 C in south Spain when I lived there - my laptop was outside it's environmental limits |
| 03:05.01 | rideick | hahahahahaha |
| 03:05.47 | gx009 | that's more than 120F .. are you sure |
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| 03:06.09 | jpinx | yep -I'm sure |
| 03:06.44 | rideick | I believe so... my girlfriend went there once and it was 40... |
| 03:06.49 | jpinx | it was over that in the Sahara desert when I worked there - but that was before laptops were invented ;) |
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| 03:07.11 | rideick | more precisely in madri |
| 03:07.38 | jpinx | yea - Madrid gets really hot some summers |
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| 03:07.48 | gx009 | germany is further south and i havent heard of anything like that there |
| 03:08.03 | jpinx | Spain runs their government computer systems on Linux :) |
| 03:08.17 | dudeman | jpinx, hey |
| 03:08.19 | jpinx | Germany is north of Spain ;) |
| 03:08.35 | jpinx | hola Dudeman -- how's it hangin'? |
| 03:08.39 | dudeman | its great |
| 03:08.44 | dudeman | celebrating with some alcohol |
| 03:09.11 | dudeman | I got a new job as a sr. web dev. at a respectable/popular nyc webdesign company |
| 03:09.12 | dudeman | :D |
| 03:09.14 | jpinx | heh - me too - just a glass of nice red wine |
| 03:09.19 | dudeman | word |
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| 03:09.41 | dudeman | its just parking is a bitch over at my new job |
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| 03:09.42 | dudeman | :/ |
| 03:09.46 | jpinx | cool job dudeman: I'm happy for you:) |
| 03:09.54 | dudeman | thanks |
| 03:10.08 | jpinx | you'll be earnign enough to use a taxi and abandon the private car ;) |
| 03:10.11 | dudeman | owner was telling me about some ubuntu machine he has |
| 03:10.17 | dudeman | i told him i do work for debian |
| 03:10.18 | shivamib | whoa, crashed horribly |
| 03:10.27 | dudeman | i will convert him to debian! |
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| 03:10.42 | shivamib | just had to raise skinning elephants man... scary |
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| 03:11.11 | beeb22 | What do I do if a process won't respond to SIGKILL? |
| 03:11.22 | jpinx | it's an easy transition from Ub**ntU to Debain |
| 03:11.23 | dudeman | beeb22, maybe its a zombie |
| 03:11.28 | beeb22 | it is a zombie |
| 03:11.31 | dudeman | beeb22, whats flags on that process? |
| 03:11.33 | dudeman | Z? |
| 03:11.36 | beeb22 | yeah |
| 03:11.40 | dudeman | !zombie |
| 03:11.41 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 03:11.44 | beeb22 | and a bunch of other processes with D |
| 03:11.47 | dudeman | !ppid |
| 03:11.47 | dpkg | hmm... ppid is Parent Process ID, or to find the ppid of a pid, run "ps -O%P pid" |
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| 03:12.26 | dudeman | or google on how to kill a dead zombie |
| 03:12.36 | beeb22 | what does "D" mean? |
| 03:12.41 | dudeman | beeb22, man ps |
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| 03:12.43 | simonrvn | the factoid says how... |
| 03:12.51 | beeb22 | im looking at it right now |
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| 03:12.55 | jpinx | I had to do that a while a go and couldn't - I ended up rebooting |
| 03:13.05 | dudeman | simonrvn, hey dude, nice new pics :) |
| 03:13.09 | beeb22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.09 | dudeman | kwe kwe |
| 03:13.10 | beeb22 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:13.12 | beeb22 | erp |
| 03:13.45 | beeb22 | i think there's a deadlock in here somwewhere |
| 03:13.49 | shivamib | when you end up using sysRq+RSEIUB |
| 03:13.51 | simonrvn | hi |
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| 03:14.30 | shivamib | something just went horribly wrong |
| 03:15.01 | beeb22 | is it possible that poorly written software could result in an IO deadlock? |
| 03:15.21 | zinx | beeb22: yes. a crash in the kernel will also result in stuff being stuck in the D state sometimes |
| 03:15.42 | beeb22 | hmm |
| 03:15.54 | zinx | beeb22: note, it would have to be in kernel space that the software's poorly written to cause it to stick in the D state |
| 03:16.45 | beeb22 | bleh |
| 03:16.52 | beeb22 | nothing in dmesg or messages |
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| 03:17.31 | zinx | accessing dead network filesystems will also cause it sometimes |
| 03:17.31 | zinx | you get to wait for the (generally quite lengthy) timeout when that occurs :x |
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| 03:17.42 | beeb22 | this is a local filesystem |
| 03:18.06 | beeb22 | bash hangs when I try to ls certain files like .bash_history |
| 03:18.16 | zinx | you may have a rootkit |
| 03:18.25 | beeb22 | wat |
| 03:18.33 | zinx | a poorly coded rootkit, no less |
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| 03:19.01 | beeb22 | how would I check |
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| 03:34.53 | dudeman | hm |
| 03:35.04 | dudeman | I like debian. |
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| 03:47.34 | Braden` | I am trying to install amavisd for postfix, but when I install the amavis debian package, it doesn't follow the normal amavis setup. It doesn't use /etc/amavisd.conf, it uses /etc/amavis/conf.d. I can't tell which file in conf.d I need to add the $notify_method and $forward_method lines. |
| 03:47.41 | Braden` | Hello btw |
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| 03:50.13 | Unbelive | how do I get a full list of urls of packages needed to install a program?in plain text |
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| 03:51.46 | simonrvn | !get selections |
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| 03:52.13 | simonrvn | !list all packages |
| 03:52.13 | dpkg | To get a complete list of package names (and ONLY package names) for all installed packages on your Debian system, do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'". Or: "dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}'", or aptitude search ~i -F "%p" |
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| 03:52.27 | stew | Unbelive: apt-get --print-uris install packagename |
| 03:52.41 | simonrvn | oh, misread :) |
| 03:53.45 | stew | actually i dunno if you want a -s in there too |
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| 03:53.55 | Unbelive | what was the apt-get option not yo ask questions?> |
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| 03:55.04 | el_isma | Hello. I've got a friend who overwrote an ext3 partition while trying to repair his grub. The installer created a new partition over his old one. Are there any recommended tools to attempt recovery? |
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| 03:59.39 | chance2105 | Unbelive: -y |
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| 04:01.54 | chance2105 | el_isma: I know of no easy solution. The new partition, is it the exact same size and location as the old one? Was it formatted? |
| 04:05.44 | el_isma | chance2105: It's the exact same size and location. It was formatted, now houses a new /boot. I fear this formatting makes it impossible to repair |
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| 04:17.14 | m0 | Hi, I see there is http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libapache2-mod-wsgi in the repository |
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| 04:17.26 | m0 | But I can't do apt-get install libapache2-mod-wsgi |
| 04:17.28 | m0 | Any reason why? |
| 04:18.11 | Wyzard | m0: What happens when you try? |
| 04:18.17 | Somni | m0: what version are you using? |
| 04:18.22 | chance2105 | el_isma: You might luck out with sleuthkit. |
| 04:18.27 | m0 | E: Couldn't find package libapache2-mod-wsgi |
| 04:18.44 | el_isma | m0: What Debian version are you using? |
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| 04:19.28 | m0 | Hmm how do I find out? |
| 04:19.33 | Wyzard | m0: It isn't in etch |
| 04:19.36 | Somni | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 04:19.41 | Wyzard | m0: but it's in etch-backports |
| 04:19.45 | m0 | 4.0 |
| 04:19.59 | Somni | m0: that's etch, there is no etch release; see backports.org |
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| 04:20.14 | Braden` | Hello |
| 04:20.15 | Braden` | I am trying to install amavisd for postfix, but when I install the amavis debian package, it doesn't follow the normal amavis setup. It doesn't use /etc/amavisd.conf, it uses /etc/amavis/conf.d. I can't tell which file in conf.d I need to add the $notify_method and $forward_method lines. |
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| 04:20.40 | el_isma | chance2105: I hope so, thanks for the pointer. |
| 04:20.49 | m0 | So I have to add etch-backports to my repository? |
| 04:21.02 | el_isma | yes, m0 |
| 04:21.52 | m0 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch-backports contrib non-free |
| 04:21.56 | m0 | Like that? |
| 04:22.06 | Wyzard | no, it's a different site |
| 04:22.10 | Wyzard | See the directions on backports.org |
| 04:22.25 | el_isma | m0: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 04:22.27 | m0 | oki |
| 04:22.43 | m0 | thanks |
| 04:23.05 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | NET SPLIT |
| 04:23.12 | m0 | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 04:23.15 | m0 | nice :/ |
| 04:24.17 | m0 | Alright installed the GPG |
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| 04:25.03 | path_ | anyone using GMA945 with 2:2.3.2-2+lenny2 intel module driver ? |
| 04:26.14 | path_ | got some sexy error just now :-) |
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| 04:27.48 | Unbelive | what does mean "eth0: duplicate address detected!" |
| 04:27.56 | Unbelive | how do I correct that? |
| 04:28.20 | zinx | it means you have two ethernet cards on the same network with the same MAC address, probably |
| 04:28.28 | Wyzard | same IP address |
| 04:28.37 | zinx | possibly |
| 04:28.52 | Wyzard | detected by seeing an ARP response for the machine's "own" IP but a different MAC |
| 04:29.00 | Unbelive | but I don't |
| 04:29.08 | zinx | oh but you do |
| 04:29.21 | Braden` | Can anyone help me? |
| 04:29.22 | Unbelive | there are two computers in lan |
| 04:29.35 | \amethyst | Unbelive: what about routers? |
| 04:29.50 | Unbelive | one is debian (192.168.2.2) and another is windows (192.168.2.1) |
| 04:30.09 | Unbelive | ok, how do I change IP of debian? |
| 04:30.21 | Wyzard | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:30.29 | el_isma | Unbelive: ifconfig eth0 ip |
| 04:31.05 | path_ | BTW anyone knows if there is an utility to show the current branch of any package ? |
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| 04:31.15 | path_ | not to mention dpkg :-) |
| 04:31.44 | Unbelive | I changed address to 192.168.2.3 and still get that error |
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| 04:32.31 | ThePredator | Has anyone in here built deluge 0.5.9.4 on etch? |
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| 04:34.03 | ThePredator | http://pastebin.ca/1201560 |
| 04:34.03 | debCarlos | Hi, does amd64 debian version works better (much better) than the i386 version when running on a amd processor? |
| 04:34.14 | el_isma | debCarlos: No |
| 04:34.49 | netdaemon | unless you have > 4 gigs of ram of course |
| 04:34.49 | ThePredator | That is the error that I am getting, the only thing I can find through google says that boost is out of date, but I get the same error on 1.36 |
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| 04:35.34 | Unbelive | ok, I changed windows machine's ip and it worked, thanks |
| 04:36.24 | Wyzard | netdaemon: You can use more than 4GB of physical RAM on a 32-bit system with PAE |
| 04:36.37 | debCarlos | Oh.... i thought it would run far better than the i386 one since it's designed for amd :S |
| 04:36.42 | netdaemon | Wyzard, ah, how bout 8 ;)? |
| 04:36.43 | el_isma | Wyzard: I'm told that doing so reduces performance |
| 04:37.01 | Wyzard | netdaemon: up to 64GB, I belive |
| 04:37.01 | ThePredator | Actually it will increase performance for some tasks due to increased register size |
| 04:37.04 | Unbelive | what's the package need for ssh access |
| 04:37.10 | Unbelive | ssh server |
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| 04:37.18 | Wyzard | el_isma: only slightly |
| 04:37.48 | stew | Unbelive: apt-cache search ssh-server |
| 04:37.50 | Wyzard | netdaemon: The 32-bit limitation is on the address space of a process... you can have 64GB of RAM but no individual process can use more than 4GB of it |
| 04:38.10 | joaop | im trying to open a python program that uses cairo, but im getting the message 'no module named cairo', but i have python-cairo and python-cairo-dev, some ideia why it's happening ? |
| 04:38.47 | el_isma | debCarlos: It runs slighty faster, yes, but you won't notice it unless you do some very specific very CPU intensive tasks that happen to benefit from the architecture. For a desktop user, you won't ever notice an improvement (and it's usually annoying to run amd64, no flash, for instance). |
| 04:38.48 | Wyzard | el_isma: If your processor supports No Execute aka Execute Disable to safeguard against buffer overflows, that only works in PAE mode, btw |
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| 04:39.15 | Wyzard | el_isma: Windows enables PAE automatically even on machines with less than 4GB of RAM for that reason |
| 04:39.33 | el_isma | ok |
| 04:39.36 | debCarlos | oh... |
| 04:39.59 | ThePredator | el_isma, I have flash running perfectly fine on x86_64 |
| 04:40.13 | netdaemon | ditto with flash |
| 04:40.16 | netdaemon | and java |
| 04:40.19 | el_isma | chroot? |
| 04:40.23 | netdaemon | nope |
| 04:40.30 | netdaemon | nspluginwrapper |
| 04:40.35 | el_isma | firefox only |
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| 04:40.45 | ThePredator | epiphany too I think |
| 04:40.47 | ThePredator | let me check |
| 04:40.52 | netdaemon | most browsers have mozilla plugin compat |
| 04:40.55 | Wyzard | same here regarding Flash, though the installation is more quirky (it broke recently because an /etc/alternatives link went bad somehow) |
| 04:41.00 | Wyzard | yes, it works in Epiphany |
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| 04:41.10 | el_isma | yes, they do, netdaemon, but somehow, it doesn't work for me in konqueror or Opera |
| 04:41.14 | benjamindees | what program would you use to create a greeting card in Linux? |
| 04:41.22 | Wyzard | On the whole, amd64 Debian isn't much diferent from i386 Debian from a user standpoint |
| 04:41.47 | ThePredator | I just run it because it is noticeable with video encoding |
| 04:41.55 | netdaemon | el_isma, flash works for me in konqueror, not java though |
| 04:42.03 | netdaemon | i don't care enough about opera to bother with it |
| 04:42.06 | el_isma | depends on what you do. If you like to play games, it's usually a bit annoying (not all games have amd64 versions) |
| 04:42.29 | netdaemon | but yeah, if you don't want to use workarounds, just stick with x86 |
| 04:42.33 | Wyzard | The open-source ones all work fine on amd64 |
| 04:42.39 | Wyzard | and there aren't many closed-source Linux games |
| 04:42.53 | ThePredator | Most of the good ones are |
| 04:42.55 | Wyzard | Unreal Tournament 2004 has a 64-bit Linux installer right on the retail DVD |
| 04:43.00 | debCarlos | Ok, then... ctrl+c and wget will stop downloading the file :P |
| 04:43.02 | ThePredator | Quake Wars, DOOM 3 etc |
| 04:43.18 | el_isma | netdaemon: Weird, Konqueror (or rather, some part of it) crashes everytime I see flash. Did you do anything particular? |
| 04:43.36 | netdaemon | el_isma, using konq from kde4...in experimental |
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| 04:43.44 | Wyzard | Quake 4 is 32-bit and I think Doom 3 is too, but they run fine on amd64 Debian |
| 04:43.45 | netdaemon | it does have quirks though |
| 04:44.12 | netdaemon | but works mostly |
| 04:44.21 | benjamindees | using the netscape gnash plugin does that. use the kpart instead. |
| 04:44.37 | el_isma | netdaemon: Oh. KDE4... I'll wait then... |
| 04:44.49 | el_isma | benjamindees: How do I convince konqueror to do so? |
| 04:44.55 | netdaemon | el_isma, heh...i cant resist oxygen... |
| 04:45.18 | debCarlos | Well, the i'll pass to my next trouble, i386 version (Not sure if it's a version problem) half-hangs when doing some operations (And it only un-hangs when i press power button). Any ideas ? |
| 04:45.45 | el_isma | netdaemon: too "mac"ky for me. When I get KDE4, I'll use the most boring and KDE3 looking skin I can find :) |
| 04:45.55 | netdaemon | hehe |
| 04:46.17 | netdaemon | be glad it gives you the choice ;) |
| 04:46.17 | benjamindees | el_isma, konqueror-plugin-gnash |
| 04:46.50 | debCarlos | I don't know why, but this is kinda new, previous releases of debian etch ( r2 r1 ) worked just fine :S |
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| 04:47.04 | el_isma | benjamindees: I don't have that package installed |
| 04:47.13 | benjamindees | install it? |
| 04:47.35 | el_isma | benjamindees: I thought you said that *having* it caused the crash |
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| 04:48.24 | benjamindees | no, using the mozilla plugin with konqueror causes the crash |
| 04:48.52 | el_isma | ok, then, I'll get it. Thanks, benjamindees |
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| 04:50.55 | \amethyst | awk '{ print substr($1,1,1) ".", $2 }' |
| 04:50.56 | \amethyst | doh |
| 04:51.10 | Unbelive | how do I check if ssh server is running? |
| 04:51.22 | el_isma | Unbelive: try to login? |
| 04:51.34 | Unbelive | I can't that's why I ask |
| 04:51.49 | Wyzard | Unbelive: Do you get "connection refused" when you try? |
| 04:51.52 | debCarlos | Unbelive: ps aux | grep -v grep | grep sshd ? |
| 04:52.01 | el_isma | Unbelive: ps -aux | grep ssh |
| 04:52.24 | Unbelive | hmm, it is running |
| 04:52.33 | Unbelive | I have a network problem again |
| 04:52.59 | Unbelive | oh my, "eth0: duplicate address detected!" again |
| 04:52.59 | debCarlos | Well, then i suppose i will simply stick with i386... |
| 04:53.32 | benjamindees | no answers for this? "what program would you use to create a greeting card in Linux?" |
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| 04:54.06 | benjamindees | then the correct answer is "openoffice, pdf90, and pdfjoin" |
| 04:54.07 | el_isma | benjamindees: probably something completely unsuited for the task like openoffice |
| 04:54.08 | debCarlos | lol |
| 04:54.27 | benjamindees | hands el_isma a cookie |
| 04:54.38 | Wyzard | benjamindees: If you're looking for a point-and-click program similar to CreataCard, I don't think there's any such thing |
| 04:54.56 | benjamindees | no I'm just looking for something that handles printable things that fold |
| 04:55.49 | benjamindees | take care |
| 04:56.17 | \amethyst | hm |
| 04:56.44 | gx009 | you can print anything.. what you want is an "click here to print hallmark style card" button |
| 04:57.43 | Unbelive | how do I "lock session" ? |
| 04:57.45 | \amethyst | gx009: think The Print Shop |
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| 04:57.59 | \amethyst | Unbelive: in GNOME? from the command line or the GUI? |
| 04:58.30 | Unbelive | no, I don't have DE |
| 04:58.58 | \amethyst | then you can install xlock or xscreensaver |
| 04:59.03 | simonrvn | wtf would a Provides: make a bunch of other stuff have a broken status? wouldn't it provide what they need? |
| 04:59.46 | Unbelive | I have X server on another computer and I am trying to temporarily stop traffic without ending the GUI applications, how can this be achieved? |
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| 05:00.43 | \amethyst | block the port at the firewall |
| 05:00.57 | Unbelive | no other way? |
| 05:01.15 | \amethyst | hm, all traffic, including with running clients? |
| 05:01.44 | Unbelive | I just want to stop x-serving, but still keep the clients running |
| 05:01.47 | Unbelive | then resume |
| 05:01.53 | simonrvn | um |
| 05:02.03 | \amethyst | Unbelive: so you want to prevent new connections only? |
| 05:02.11 | Unbelive | no |
| 05:02.27 | Unbelive | I want to temporarily stop X traffic |
| 05:02.39 | Unbelive | without closing all gui apps |
| 05:02.50 | \amethyst | I don't know of any way to do that other than blocking the port |
| 05:03.12 | Unbelive | someone told me to "lock session" god knows what that means |
| 05:03.31 | \amethyst | not what you want :) |
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| 05:04.21 | \amethyst | you could use xauth to deny all future connections, but that won't stop traffic with existing clients |
| 05:04.39 | \amethyst | the only thing I can think of other than iptables would be to kill -STOP X |
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| 05:04.52 | \amethyst | but who knows what that would do |
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| 05:05.30 | Unbelive | no:) there should be some other way) |
| 05:05.51 | \amethyst | it's not exactly something people commonly need to do |
| 05:07.16 | debCarlos | You need to stop X without killing gui apps ? |
| 05:07.22 | Unbelive | yes |
| 05:07.38 | debCarlos | wow.. :S |
| 05:08.01 | Unbelive | not possible? |
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| 05:09.14 | \amethyst | Unbelive: nope |
| 05:09.17 | debCarlos | Dunno, to me it seems kinda impossible but you never know in linux... |
| 05:09.27 | \amethyst | Unbelive: the problem is that lots of protocol state is stored in the X server |
| 05:09.27 | Catoptromancy | gui uses X, kill X = kill gui |
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| 05:10.10 | \amethyst | Unbelive: so if you just connect those clients up to another server, they won't work, because the stuff (strings, pixmaps, etc) they loaded into the server isn't there anymore |
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| 05:12.50 | \amethyst | Unbelive: you'd need either 1. an X server with explicit support for dumping and restoring the state (I don't know of any) or 2. something like VNC or an X proxy server that doesn't get restarted |
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| 05:21.39 | liable | my TP fan is dying |
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| 05:23.30 | debee | hi, what pkg do i need for iceweasel to play video on youtube? |
| 05:23.45 | liable | flash |
| 05:24.05 | debee | what flash pkg? |
| 05:24.10 | liable | flashplugin-nonfree |
| 05:24.16 | debee | thanks |
| 05:24.54 | liable | np |
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| 05:25.05 | mr_flea | Unbelive: There was actually a program called xmove that will detach and reattach X11 windows, but it hasn't been developed for a long time. |
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| 05:28.16 | Wyzard | and it was a bit convoluted to use anyway |
| 05:29.17 | mr_flea | Yeah, I tried to compile xmove and failed terribly. |
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| 05:31.08 | Unbelive | \amethyst, I don't want to connect to another x-server, I just want to temporarily stop traffic |
| 05:31.20 | Unbelive | mr_flea, what was it's name? |
| 05:31.54 | Unbelive | oh, sorry |
| 05:32.04 | Unbelive | so, it doesn't work at all? |
| 05:32.25 | mr_flea | I think it still works theoretically, but I couldn't get it to compile. |
| 05:32.40 | mr_flea | I'd try, but I don't want to install all the build dependencies. |
| 05:33.11 | Unbelive | it is strange that such feature isn't supported by default |
| 05:33.20 | Unbelive | it's quite required |
| 05:34.30 | mr_flea | Yeah. I looked through xmove's source, though, and I can really see why nobody wants to maintain that. It's horrible. You literally have to write more code every time they add something to the protocol spec. Unless you want to force clients to downgrade... |
| 05:34.38 | Wyzard | Unbelive: Actually it's pretty esoteric |
| 05:36.01 | debCarlos | lol |
| 05:36.08 | Unbelive | well, suppose you need to restart/shutdown/disconnect the computer on which xserver is running |
| 05:36.15 | Unbelive | then what? kill all applications? |
| 05:36.34 | mr_flea | It'd probably be easier to implement it at the library level or so, but I doubt they want to do that either. X11 is huge. |
| 05:37.25 | Unbelive | what happens if I stop traffic by blocking traffic? |
| 05:37.30 | mr_flea | One part of the xmove source actually executed a console command. I think it was xauth... |
| 05:37.39 | Wyzard | Unbelive: timeouts, probably |
| 05:37.47 | mr_flea | Unbelive: It probably tiemes out the session and kills your program. |
| 05:38.04 | Unbelive | gotta try |
| 05:38.37 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: there's a tutorial out there about using truecrypt on etch, (google it) i've seen it, looks decent on quick glance - and Wyzard ; thanks again for the even more detailed certificate usages, and other info |
| 05:39.06 | Unbelive | what are ways to at least minimize x-traffic? |
| 05:39.40 | Wyzard | enouf: wow, your scrollback goes that far? :-P |
| 05:41.00 | Unbelive | hmm, x-server closed the windows but the application didn't get killed yet |
| 05:41.16 | Unbelive | if only there was a way to reconnect |
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| 05:42.28 | Unbelive | oh, now it got killed |
| 05:42.33 | enouf | <Wyzard> el_isma: If your processor supports No Execute aka Execute Disable to safeguard against buffer overflows, that only works in PAE mode, btw <-- FWIW, i recently think i read on LKML where that dependency is being broken now .. so the NX won't require PAE anymore, IIRC |
| 05:42.43 | Unbelive | Fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server 192.168.2.1:0.0. |
| 05:42.45 | enouf | Wyzard: that's only half of it :-P |
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| 05:43.17 | zophy | is lame good to use to create mp3 files ? |
| 05:43.17 | Wyzard | enouf: That's not an OS limitation... the NX bit is part of the PAE page table structure and not the "normal" page table structure |
| 05:43.20 | enouf | Wyzard: if i had the link handy, i'd toss it out |
| 05:43.27 | Wyzard | zophy: yes, it's what's typically used |
| 05:43.59 | zophy | it won't install here with lenny |
| 05:44.07 | enouf | Wyzard: er, i'm talking the hardware NX ? - crap, now i have to go find it |
| 05:44.12 | Wyzard | enouf: The page table structure is defined by the processor (the OS has to arrange things the way the processor is built to interpret them) |
| 05:44.28 | liable | zophy: its in marillats repo |
| 05:44.38 | zophy | tnx |
| 05:45.00 | NeoIce | anyone know how to deal with "libxfcegui4-WARNING **: XfceAppMenuItem: unable to spawn xtris |
| 05:45.51 | Wyzard | enouf: I'm talking about hardware NX too -- there's a bit in a PAE page-table entry which, if set, the processor will interpret to mean don't execute code in this page |
| 05:46.18 | Wyzard | enouf: There's no bit in a non-PAE page-table entry that the processor interprets that way |
| 05:46.45 | enouf | Wyzard: but 64bit OSes and CPUs don't use PAE - but hang on - i must be confusing things/terms |
| 05:47.07 | Wyzard | No, but they have their own page-table structure which includes the NX bit too |
| 05:47.09 | \amethyst | enouf: but they do use a different page table structure which does support NX |
| 05:47.19 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 05:49.21 | Wyzard | kinda like how x86 Linux uses the linux-gate.so trick to support fast system calls on processors that support them, while still being able to use the slower interrupt-based mechanism on older processors that don't... whereas amd64 Linux doesn't need to use that trick because *all* amd64 processors support fast syscalls |
| 05:49.28 | Unbelive | is videocard required to run x-server locally? |
| 05:49.39 | mr_flea | Unbelive: Even if you managed to reconnect, your X server wouldn't have the window's previous state, so it wouldn't know what was going on when the application tried to update pieces. |
| 05:50.00 | Unbelive | I see |
| 05:50.02 | Wyzard | Unbelive: Strictly speaking, no: you can run Xvnc, which is an X server that's only accessible through VNC |
| 05:50.06 | mr_flea | Unbelive: In short, the application doesn't redraw the whole window for each update. |
| 05:50.25 | Unbelive | oh, I though of something like that |
| 05:50.45 | mr_flea | Unbelive: What are you looking at running that you don't want to die between server restarts? |
| 05:51.00 | Unbelive | A lot of things ^) |
| 05:51.21 | mr_flea | Any particular things? :P |
| 05:51.24 | Unbelive | I want to run stuff at remote server having X here |
| 05:51.30 | Unbelive | just testing locally |
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| 05:51.54 | Unbelive | eerm a browser :) |
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| 05:51.59 | mr_flea | With some things, you might get away with using console implementations of whatever it is and just using screen. |
| 05:52.11 | mr_flea | With a browser, you can try to enable session saving and have it restore when you rerun the browser. |
| 05:52.24 | PetraArkanian | unbelive you can use links or lynx for a browser without x |
| 05:52.45 | Unbelive | lynx supports images? |
| 05:52.59 | PetraArkanian | probably not |
| 05:53.03 | PetraArkanian | been a while since i used it |
| 05:53.23 | Unbelive | I guess I will run xvnc |
| 05:53.36 | mr_flea | It's hard to get even Javascript support. I've spent a good 3 hours now trying to install elinks with Javascript support. |
| 05:53.57 | Unbelive | then lynx isn't for me ) |
| 05:54.04 | Catoptromancy | dillo |
| 05:54.05 | Catoptromancy | ! |
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| 05:54.49 | mr_flea | (By the way, does anyone know how to package an application compiled from source?) |
| 05:55.32 | Unbelive | PetraArkanian, were you referring to xvncviewer ? |
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| 05:56.57 | Unbelive | or xwnc |
| 05:57.38 | \amethyst | Unbelive: vnc4server |
| 05:58.07 | Unbelive | what is xvnc then? |
| 05:58.49 | Unbelive | will vnc4server work as an x server? |
| 05:58.54 | Unbelive | without videcard |
| 05:59.22 | \amethyst | Unbelive: correct |
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| 05:59.43 | \amethyst | Unbelive: xvnc4viewer is the viewer (you run it under X to connect to the VNC server) |
| 06:00.03 | \amethyst | Unbelive: Xvnc is both a headless X server and a VNC server |
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| 06:00.20 | Unbelive | headless? |
| 06:00.34 | \amethyst | Unbelive: it doesn't use a monitor/keyboard |
| 06:00.40 | Unbelive | so I need xvnc or vnc4server? |
| 06:01.02 | \amethyst | there isn't a package named xvnc |
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| 06:01.16 | \amethyst | Xvnc the program is part of vnc4server the package |
| 06:01.28 | Unbelive | oh) |
| 06:01.42 | \amethyst | vnc4server the program (also part of the package) is just a script to make starting Xvnc a lot easier |
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| 06:09.23 | enouf | i give up... i quit computing .. i can't find anything when i want to .. the internet sucks |
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| 06:12.19 | mr_flea | dpkg-buildpackage is building things differently than a simple ./configure && make. Does anyone know what's going on? |
| 06:12.40 | mr_flea | It's a little useless to build from source if I can't even enable the stuff I want. |
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| 06:14.38 | fbc | could someone remind me of the package name for the service that will put an IP on a block list after x number of failed attempts? |
| 06:14.55 | stew | fbc: fail2ban |
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| 06:15.15 | stew | mr_flea: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
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| 06:15.59 | mr_flea | stew: dpkg as in the package manager |
| 06:16.00 | fbc | stew, nope.. i don't recall that... it was one that would allow me to configure it with /etc/host.deny.options or somethignliek that.. |
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| 06:16.11 | stew | mr_flea: no, dpkg as in the bot in this channel |
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| 06:16.23 | stew | dpkg: tell mr_flea about debian/rules |
| 06:16.28 | simonrvn_ | ... |
| 06:16.36 | simonrvn_ | effing thing |
| 06:16.51 | stew | dpkg: tell simonrvn about qotd0 |
| 06:16.53 | mr_flea | stew: Oh, sorry, thanks |
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| 06:17.21 | simonrvn | stew: thanks |
| 06:17.24 | stew | np |
| 06:17.26 | simonrvn | :) |
| 06:18.10 | mr_flea | stew: That's exactly what I was looking for. Thanks again. |
| 06:18.56 | fbc | i configured it with denyhosts.conf but I can't recall the package name.. |
| 06:19.22 | stew | fbc: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 06:24.41 | simonrvn | !squeeze |
| 06:24.41 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the release to follow Lenny. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
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| 06:24.50 | simonrvn | !factinfo squeeze |
| 06:24.50 | dpkg | squeeze -- created by hoxu <i=48y88gzq@unaffiliated/hoxu> at Mon Sep 1 11:46:51 2008 (11 days); last modified at Mon Sep 1 14:04:23 2008 by abrotman!n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman; it has been requested 14 times, last by simonrvn, 9s ago. |
| 06:27.19 | hoxu | squeezes simonrvn |
| 06:27.26 | simonrvn | heh |
| 06:27.33 | Unbelive | I've installed |
| 06:27.39 | Unbelive | vnc4server |
| 06:27.57 | Unbelive | what now? |
| 06:28.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | check the readme |
| 06:28.20 | simonrvn | use it |
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| 06:30.02 | Unbelive | how do I know it's running? |
| 06:30.09 | Unbelive | I can't connect to it |
| 06:31.18 | wols_ | vnc listens on port 5900/tcp usually |
| 06:31.35 | wols_ | it also logs to console IIRC |
| 06:32.37 | Unbelive | how do I see open ports? |
| 06:33.01 | wols_ | netstat -anp |grep LIST (as root |
| 06:33.19 | Unbelive | that displays nothing |
| 06:33.37 | debCarlos | Unbelive: DId you managed to do the xserver thing ? |
| 06:33.49 | Unbelive | debCarlos, no |
| 06:33.53 | wols_ | nothing at all? then you are doing it wrong. SOME ports are always open if you run a proper debian |
| 06:33.59 | Unbelive | now I am trying with vnc instead:) |
| 06:34.12 | Unbelive | wols_, it doesn't display anything |
| 06:34.18 | debCarlos | :) |
| 06:34.26 | Unbelive | debian:~# netstat -anp|grep LIST |
| 06:34.26 | Unbelive | debian:~# |
| 06:35.05 | wols_ | Unbelive: your debian is broken |
| 06:35.09 | \amethyst | netstat -lnp or netstat -ltunp for just TCP and UDP |
| 06:35.10 | wols_ | at least an MTA should show |
| 06:35.13 | \amethyst | wols_: maybe it's translated? |
| 06:35.35 | wols_ | has a german debian. still shows |
| 06:35.48 | Unbelive | hmm strange |
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| 06:35.59 | wols_ | Unbelive: dpkg -l |grep exim |
| 06:36.04 | wols_ | does that show something? |
| 06:36.12 | Unbelive | nope |
| 06:36.20 | wols_ | Unbelive: what debian version? |
| 06:36.24 | Unbelive | etch |
| 06:36.42 | \amethyst | wols_: err, do nullmailer et al actually listen on port 25? |
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| 06:36.59 | wols_ | \amethyst: not sure actually |
| 06:37.01 | \amethyst | wols_: I would figure they'd just provide /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 06:37.03 | wols_ | Unbelive: netstat -plunt |
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| 06:37.20 | Unbelive | Active Internet connections (only servers) |
| 06:37.20 | Unbelive | Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State |
| 06:37.20 | Unbelive | PID/Program name |
| 06:37.29 | Unbelive | nothing below |
| 06:37.52 | wols_ | uname -a |
| 06:38.09 | \amethyst | Unbelive: how are you logged in to this machine? |
| 06:38.09 | Unbelive | Linux debian 2.6.22.18-co-0.7.3 #1 PREEMPT Sat May 24 22:27:30 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:38.11 | wols_ | \amethyst: have you evern seen a linux without any connection? |
| 06:38.18 | wols_ | colinux? |
| 06:38.26 | Unbelive | yes |
| 06:38.45 | Unbelive | btw yes, does that matter? |
| 06:38.51 | wols_ | apparently |
| 06:38.55 | Unbelive | hmm |
| 06:39.07 | wols_ | ps aux |grep vnc |
| 06:39.09 | \amethyst | do you have /proc mounted? |
| 06:39.19 | Unbelive | root 2161 0.0 0.2 1644 520 tty1 S+ 02:39 0:00 grep vnc |
| 06:39.19 | \amethyst | and /sys ? |
| 06:39.26 | wols_ | no vncserver then |
| 06:39.34 | Unbelive | proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 06:39.43 | Unbelive | sys? |
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| 06:39.47 | Unbelive | or sysfs? |
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| 06:39.53 | netsui | maybe |
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| 06:39.58 | Unbelive | sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 06:40.09 | \amethyst | Unbelive: yeah, that |
| 06:40.13 | Unbelive | wols_, np vncserver? |
| 06:40.19 | Unbelive | *no |
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| 06:40.44 | wols_ | Unbelive: if you had one running you'd seen it with the command |
| 06:40.59 | wols_ | however: why do you want it? for your setup there are MUCH better ways |
| 06:41.00 | Unbelive | oh, it wasn't started, starting now |
| 06:41.13 | wols_ | actually vnc is almost never a good solution :) |
| 06:41.18 | Unbelive | better ways for what? |
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| 06:41.29 | wols_ | to run X apps inside your colinux.what you want to do |
| 06:41.32 | \amethyst | wols_: he wants to be able to disconnect and restart his X server without closing applications |
| 06:41.47 | wols_ | ok. that only can vnc and nx do |
| 06:41.53 | Unbelive | wols_, colinux is just for testing here, I will be using these with remote server |
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| 06:43.31 | Unbelive | how come it keeps saying eth0: duplicate address detected! |
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| 06:44.10 | Unbelive | root 2169 0.2 0.5 3972 1308 tty1 S 02:43 0:00 vncconfig -iconic |
| 06:44.10 | Unbelive | root 2173 0.0 0.1 1640 512 tty1 R+ 02:43 0:00 grep vnc |
| 06:44.18 | Unbelive | am I running vncserver now? |
| 06:44.22 | wols_ | Unbelive: what does? |
| 06:44.44 | Unbelive | wols_, whenever I start network applications |
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| 06:44.59 | wols_ | Unbelive: your network config is done wrong. it can be tricky in colinux |
| 06:45.13 | wols_ | you have assigned somehow the same IP to two interfaces |
| 06:45.20 | wols_ | ask a colinux channel tho |
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| 06:46.07 | Unbelive | it stops saying that when I change IP, but starts again after reboot |
| 06:46.21 | Unbelive | ok anyways, am I running the server now? |
| 06:47.06 | wols_ | fix your network first before you try to use network apps |
| 06:47.19 | Unbelive | network is ok |
| 06:47.31 | Unbelive | I can ping the other machine from colinux |
| 06:47.35 | Unbelive | the host machine |
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| 06:49.24 | wols_ | the network is not ok |
| 06:49.32 | Unbelive | why? |
| 06:49.39 | wols_ | cause you get that message |
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| 06:49.49 | Unbelive | when I change IP I don |
| 06:49.52 | Unbelive | 't |
| 06:50.18 | wols_ | ignores Unbelive now |
| 06:50.31 | Unbelive | please don't :) |
| 06:50.48 | Unbelive | when I typed vncserver I got this: |
| 06:50.54 | Unbelive | New 'debian:1 (root)' desktop is debian:1 |
| 06:50.54 | Unbelive | Starting applications specified in /root/.vnc/xstartup |
| 06:50.54 | Unbelive | Log file is /root/.vnc/debian:1.log |
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| 07:09.08 | simonrvn | wtf are you running it as root? |
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| 07:09.52 | Unbelive | yes:) |
| 07:10.06 | Unbelive | anyways, removing colinux, total crap |
| 07:10.15 | Unbelive | I'll try in virtual machine |
| 07:10.20 | hoxu | Does tar have anything like --prefix similar to one in git-archive? |
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| 07:15.23 | hoxu | ah, --transform |
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| 07:16.12 | kularek | hi |
| 07:16.13 | kularek | I have strange problem witch openvpn - i run it using expect tools and when i do this manualy everything is ok but when script start from init.d when system boot the pid file is not created |
| 07:17.33 | mr_flea | kularek: Is it generating a pid file in /var/run? |
| 07:18.00 | mr_flea | Oh, wait, does it only not generate the pid file when it runs on boot? |
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| 07:24.51 | Becka | what's the minimal install of debian |
| 07:25.15 | Becka | without gui , DE and all |
| 07:25.18 | `6og | small |
| 07:25.29 | Becka | just plain terminal |
| 07:25.31 | rexor | it's without xserver |
| 07:25.39 | Becka | where do I take it? |
| 07:25.39 | rexor | only kernel and some tools |
| 07:25.44 | rexor | debian.org |
| 07:25.46 | Becka | does it come on cd? |
| 07:25.47 | rexor | netinstall |
| 07:26.03 | Becka | netinstall will requie internet conenction? |
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| 07:26.35 | Wyzard | Becka: yes, that's the "net" part in "netinstall" |
| 07:26.47 | Becka | thaz why I asked :) |
| 07:26.55 | Becka | is there a cd which doesn't need net |
| 07:27.03 | Wyzard | One CD, no |
| 07:27.06 | Wyzard | three DVDs, yes :-) |
| 07:27.13 | Becka | omg |
| 07:27.14 | Wyzard | or 14 CDs, I think |
| 07:27.22 | Becka | madness |
| 07:27.48 | `6og | Wyzard, technically, you need a debian mirror, internet or not |
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| 07:28.08 | Wyzard | So yes, you can download all of Debian in burnable form so that you can install whatever packages you want without needing an Internet connection... but it's a big download, and you'll probably never actually install most of those packages, so most people use netinstall, which downloads only what you actually need |
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| 07:29.07 | Becka | ok, downloading this now http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 07:45.12 | joneal | hi |
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| 07:52.12 | jaalto | Is there a way in Konqueror 3.5.9 to tell "I clicked this directory to be active, so paste files HERE". Now when I copy (C-c) files from another place, click the other directory (make it active), it still wnts to paste to the same location where the original files are. -- For the record: I have configured Konqueror not to use factory default single click events. |
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| 07:53.44 | enouf | i feel your gui pain |
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| 07:55.25 | kularek | BTW about my question : they dont store pid in /var/run this is what expect run -> /usr/sbin/openvpn --writepid /var/run/openvpn.my_vpn_name.pid --daemon ......... |
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| 07:56.33 | KnuckOne | file a bug report kularek if the pid is written in a non-standard location |
| 07:56.38 | lxsameer | http://phpfi.com/352924 i get this when i try update-initramfs -uv -t . what is the problem |
| 07:56.49 | |shital| | Hi all |
| 07:57.34 | kularek | KnuckOne What you mean non standard location ? |
| 07:57.40 | jaalto | enouf: I understanda that I could DOUBLE CLICK to step into the directory and paste (C-v) there, but it's insane to "go in, go out" all the time. |
| 07:58.10 | KnuckOne | kularek, pids MUST be written in /var/run |
| 07:58.11 | kularek | when i run my modified /etc/ini.d/openvpn scrip manualy everything works fine |
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| 07:58.45 | kularek | but only when system boot the openvpn deamon dont store this pid on /var/run |
| 07:59.28 | KnuckOne | that's why you should file a bug report IF the initscript doesn't store the pid in /var/run |
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| 07:59.52 | enouf | jaalto: perhaps you should find a kde channel or even report a (wish list) bug, or whatever |
| 08:00.03 | TuxCrafter | hello everybody, last week i have been trying to get my umask to 0007 for some users so that sshfs uses the umask. I have been altering profile and all the other things, until i read about the libpam-umask in login.def. So I setup the umask in /etc/pam.d/common-session and now all the users had umask 0007. But then the server was dying slowly, spamd was outputting loads of error messages, processor load 100%, and the dhcp server and inte |
| 08:00.05 | KnuckOne | using better words, in fact an initscript should be never changed |
| 08:00.06 | kularek | you know i think this is when i urun it using expect scrip |
| 08:01.02 | jaalto | enouf: Ok, I'll see what KDE folks suggest. |
| 08:01.07 | kularek | what can i check why they dont store it when runing from ini.d when system boot |
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| 08:01.36 | kularek | i thing maybe there are no loading something yet or some system variable is not set |
| 08:01.38 | KnuckOne | that's what i'm saying, so report it ;) |
| 08:01.43 | kularek | i dont know |
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| 08:33.21 | ndee | is there an option for scp like there is for the -p option for mkdir? |
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| 08:36.26 | simonrvn | man scp dude |
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| 08:37.28 | ndee | simonrvn: there isn't one :D |
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| 08:37.42 | simonrvn | scp has same options as for ssh |
| 08:38.17 | simonrvn | so if you want to do a mkdir -p use ssh -c or whatever it is to run a remote cmd |
| 08:38.23 | jelly-home | ndee: "man scp dude" works on sarge, etch and lenny. |
| 08:38.33 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 08:38.50 | simonrvn | SCP(1) BSD General Commands Manual SCP(1) |
| 08:38.51 | ndee | I know but I didn't find an option and yeah, should've gone with ssh instead of scp :D |
| 08:38.52 | enouf | Wyzard: heh .. believe this? i had it bookmarked O_O (i could've swore i never bookmarked the info) - my bookmark is a git, but can't seem to access that atm, dead - so here's what google can say ; http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/7/535 |
| 08:38.55 | simonrvn | WorksForMe |
| 08:39.01 | simonrvn | lazy |
| 08:39.16 | jelly-home | ndee: search again. |
| 08:39.21 | enouf | Wyzard: though, i'm sure i said it wrong, as i must've completely misunderstood |
| 08:39.32 | simonrvn | it's called reading, try it |
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| 08:41.24 | jelly-home | ndee: wait... like mkdir -p? why not use mkdir, then? |
| 08:41.38 | simonrvn | ssh would do |
| 08:41.48 | ndee | that's what I'm gonna do :) |
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| 08:46.43 | zophy | to what degree has the ubuntu community benefited the debian community ? |
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| 08:47.56 | ndee | I love linux, I just love it, it's so friggin' awesome. |
| 08:48.55 | simonrvn | its ancestry is what makes it t3h aw3s0m3 |
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| 08:49.09 | maligor | what? minix? |
| 08:49.21 | simonrvn | before that ;) |
| 08:50.20 | NeoIce | Bell Labs 4 lyfe |
| 08:50.27 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:51.08 | NeoIce | I'm finally running my first BSD just because I have hardware that cant handle Debian |
| 08:51.28 | NeoIce | curses on a 360MHz SPARC = pain. |
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| 08:51.46 | enouf | Wyzard: it seems the dependency i meant to speak of was PAE's one on CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G, which after that patch, enables one to use PAE (x86_32) with CONFIG_HIGHMEM*4*G instead - but the giant Help section under "config NOHIGHMEM" in ./arch/x86/Kconfig is still very unclear about all this - as it mentions "If more than 4 Gigabytes is used then answer "64GB" here. This selection turns Intel PAE (Physical Address Extension) mode on." |
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| 08:54.06 | enouf | Wyzard: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_23 * Divorce CONFIG_X86_PAE from CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G (commit) <-- for the git, which is down atm it appears - sorry for the bother about all this nonsense |
| 08:54.24 | enouf | (it's old hat too) |
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| 09:00.00 | geek | could someone tell me the command to set a login manager? |
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| 09:01.13 | enouf | anyways, \amethyst and Wyzard thanks for that info about the diffs between the 3 page table structures mentioned (x86_32, x86_32+PAE, and x86_64) |
| 09:01.59 | jelly-home | !choose window manager |
| 09:01.59 | dpkg | i heard choose window manager is either add 'exec window-manage-of-choice' to the bottom of ~/.xsession (and use startx, xdm or the 'Debian' session in gdm or whatever) or 'update-alternatives --config x-window-manager'. The former will override the latter. see wm |
| 09:02.06 | geek | o0 |
| 09:02.24 | geek | log in manager actually like GDM and KDM. it seems to have fixed itself though |
| 09:02.26 | jelly-home | er, not that one, sorry |
| 09:03.15 | jelly-home | geek: that's done with dpkg-reconfigure gdm (substitute gdm with any *dm installed) |
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| 09:03.22 | geek | jelly-home: ahh |
| 09:03.29 | geek | fixed ^^ |
| 09:04.30 | enouf | Does anyone have an idea why this GF2 mmx/400 nvidia card (nv11, agp 2x/4x, 64M videoram) would not show any "write-combining" entries in /proc/mtrr ? I recall when i had riva tnt2 pro in here (nv5, agp 2x, 32M videoram) that there were entries for "write-combining" |
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| 09:04.47 | TuxCrafter | somebody that know how to create a user specific libpam-umask rule? |
| 09:05.47 | enouf | i've tried the 'nv' driver and am now using 'nvidia' (i know, ugh) i've tried booting various kernel options, and i've played with the 2 choices of AGP Aperture in BIOS (64M, or 256M) .. nothing seems to change what /proc/mtrr says :-? |
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| 09:06.46 | cgibin | question: how do i run a chkconfig --list |
| 09:07.21 | enouf | ahh .. one thing that i forget though is; whether this new shiny debian 2.6.26-x ever showed it with my old tnt2 - i don't think i had this kernel installed when i swapped out the cards - last kernels were 2.6.16 and 2.6.18-4 |
| 09:07.31 | sparn1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.32 | cgibin | someone was helping me they didnt even spell the debian name right |
| 09:07.50 | sparn1 | centos |
| 09:07.57 | cgibin | i dont use centos |
| 09:07.58 | cgibin | i use mundane |
| 09:08.04 | cgibin | and debookian |
| 09:08.33 | cgibin | however on debookian i like to find the real command for --list of inputs i m runing |
| 09:08.48 | sparn1 | do you mean how to turn on and off services? |
| 09:09.02 | cgibin | well, just see what i m runing |
| 09:09.06 | jaalto | cgibin: chkconfig command is from RedHat (aka SentOS) |
| 09:09.19 | cgibin | yes i know that |
| 09:09.24 | cgibin | other wise i wont ask in here |
| 09:09.33 | sparn1 | cgibin do you know what linux distro you are running? |
| 09:09.40 | cgibin | on mundane also |
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| 09:10.17 | cgibin | on mundane i run chkconfig --list it gives me the infos |
| 09:10.25 | enouf | BTW, the ./Documentation/mtrr.txt seems very outdated .. |
| 09:10.31 | Becka | does netinstall cache the downloaded data somewhere so as to install on one more machine? |
| 09:10.40 | cgibin | however on debian system i m trying to find out whats are the commands for chkconfig --list |
| 09:10.44 | sparn1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.46 | jaalto | cgibin: short answer, there is no similar command in Debian what you ask. Each process can be seen from ps(1) or top(1) listing, but you cannot get a coherent "services only" and "their current states"' |
| 09:10.47 | enouf | Becka: see systemimager |
| 09:10.59 | dgodfather | how do i make a strong static connection between my device node created by udev to a specific device? i have a usb stick i want to always be /dev/sdb1 for example how do i do that? |
| 09:11.06 | jaalto | sparn1: He's using RedHat Clone |
| 09:11.22 | enouf | Becka: the debs exist in /var/cache/apt/archive or similar |
| 09:11.23 | cgibin | i try join however it has a limit 500 people only max |
| 09:11.32 | Becka | enouf, What if computers are with different hardware specs? |
| 09:11.44 | enouf | Becka: check out /var/log/installer/syslog |
| 09:11.54 | enouf | Becka: then use preseed |
| 09:11.56 | sparn1 | i guess there are lots of mundane people on freenode?? |
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| 09:12.20 | cgibin | besite i asked in mundane 2days ago they said go ask in debian |
| 09:12.35 | sparn1 | cgibin any way - is there a particular service you have a question about or want/don't want running? |
| 09:12.36 | enouf | Becka: you can obtain a full list of installed pkgs, so long as it's the same ARCH - do /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 09:13.16 | enouf | Becka: /msg dpkg preseed .. for more about that |
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| 09:13.21 | Flesje | hi |
| 09:13.27 | cgibin | not quite yet, i dont know what future holds |
| 09:13.32 | Flesje | i just installed a 2nd harddisk to a debian box (sata) |
| 09:13.39 | dgodfather | anyone?????????? |
| 09:13.41 | enouf | dgodfather: you write a udev rule |
| 09:13.45 | Flesje | and now i want to use fdisk to make a partition but it says it cant read /dev/sda2 |
| 09:13.49 | dgodfather | thanks |
| 09:13.52 | enouf | !udev rules |
| 09:13.52 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html, or or read it online at http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 09:13.54 | cgibin | i was trying to empty up some of the none sence that debian runing |
| 09:13.56 | dgodfather | enouf: thanks |
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| 09:14.03 | cgibin | their is a list for that |
| 09:14.19 | geek | Flesje: if its a new drive, and a second one, shouldn't it be sdb? |
| 09:14.26 | Flesje | i dont know |
| 09:14.33 | Flesje | a n00b in linux :( |
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| 09:14.46 | enouf | dgodfather: the many unnecessary ?s are not pleasant ;-) |
| 09:14.47 | sparn1 | cgibin is this a default installation? i get the feeling you messed something up? we are all friends here - what did you really do? |
| 09:14.48 | jaalto | cgibin: In Debian, there is no equivalent of RedHat "chkconfig --list" |
| 09:15.13 | jaalto | Flesje: run fdisk -l |
| 09:15.42 | Flesje | it is sdb |
| 09:15.44 | Flesje | my mistake |
| 09:15.44 | enouf | cgibin: i don't know what chkconfig --list does |
| 09:15.59 | Flesje | http://rblondon.blogspot.com/2007/09/installing-new-hard-disk-on-debian.html |
| 09:16.00 | giovine | I have debian lenny and a Intel ICH8 sound system. When I plug the headphone I listen sound from the headphone but also from the SPEAKER. How can i fix the problem? |
| 09:16.05 | Flesje | can i just follow that "how to" |
| 09:16.06 | jaalto | enouf: It gives listing of services and their states in RedHat |
| 09:16.09 | enouf | but i tend to agree with jaalto |
| 09:16.12 | cgibin | thank you |
| 09:16.17 | sparn1 | enouf - hi - it lists all the services installed on the system and what runlevel they are running at |
| 09:16.18 | enouf | ps aux, htop, pstree |
| 09:16.20 | enouf | ;-) |
| 09:16.41 | cgibin | i been using debian for 6yrs or more i havent seen that --list |
| 09:16.48 | enouf | sysv-rc-conf ... rcconf - but these are not showing active states |
| 09:16.58 | sparn1 | 6 years? no |
| 09:16.59 | cgibin | first of main was doin that i m like let me try it out it didnt work |
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| 09:17.26 | jaalto | enough, cgibin: I remeber someone "cloning" the commands as perl script to Debian, but I'm not sure if I have URL stashed. I'll check. |
| 09:17.26 | cgibin | i m sorry who u to harassem me? |
| 09:17.34 | enouf | update-rc.d, invoke-rc.d(runlevel specific) are other tools - but again - not what you ask for |
| 09:17.59 | sparn1 | sorry i don't mean to - you just don't sound like a 16 year debian user |
| 09:18.13 | cgibin | it has a very high risk end besite |
| 09:18.20 | cgibin | i m glade debian is not using that command |
| 09:18.48 | jaalto | cgibin: On the contrary, the chkconfig would be welcomed to Debian. |
| 09:19.07 | sparn1 | cgibin - i agree with jaalto |
| 09:19.09 | cgibin | 2 weeks a was in mundane they are thinking debian is better, i told them i m sure about that |
| 09:19.09 | enouf | jaalto: might be that one of the DE's have 'system monitor' stuffs that show it in GUI-ism |
| 09:19.13 | jaalto | cgibin: Nobody has yet made one, or packaged existing script. |
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| 09:19.32 | simonrvn | eews at chkconfig |
| 09:19.33 | cgibin | have you seen what that command can do? |
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| 09:19.44 | cgibin | i was testing it i found so many selinux was clip to it |
| 09:19.46 | enouf | hurls chkinstall upon simonrvn :-P |
| 09:19.47 | dgodfather | enouf: oh sorry i didn't mean it that way, i will control my self next time ;) |
| 09:20.03 | enouf | dgodfather: you da man then ;-) |
| 09:20.05 | simonrvn | hurls on enouf |
| 09:20.06 | sparn1 | cgibin how long you been mundane ? i mean a mundane user |
| 09:20.13 | enouf | ewww .. haha |
| 09:20.18 | cgibin | agree and knowing that what you agree on that i can understand and relay to that |
| 09:20.24 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 09:20.26 | enouf | takes a dump on simonrvn 's front lawn O_o |
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| 09:20.42 | cgibin | stop talkin with green its gets me hyped |
| 09:20.43 | simonrvn | put some soil on it |
| 09:20.59 | simonrvn | cgibin: o_O |
| 09:21.00 | cgibin | my 3rd cop of coffee |
| 09:21.14 | cgibin | i m so jegary |
| 09:21.24 | simonrvn | O_o |
| 09:21.27 | sparn1 | jegary - what language is that? |
| 09:21.32 | cgibin | like i m expecting that command to fall from tjhe sky |
| 09:21.39 | jescis | haha @ COP OF COFFEE :d |
| 09:21.46 | cgibin | its mix lango |
| 09:22.00 | cgibin | do i know u jescis, |
| 09:22.07 | sparn1 | cgibin please type uname -a and see if the word debian is even there |
| 09:22.10 | enouf | Copps? the FCC Commissioner? |
| 09:22.20 | cgibin | cup |
| 09:22.22 | cgibin | lol |
| 09:22.26 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:22.28 | simonrvn | / \ |
| 09:22.33 | simonrvn | yay me |
| 09:22.36 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 09:22.36 | dpkg | methinks \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 09:22.41 | cgibin | ya its 1pm in here |
| 09:23.02 | cgibin | and someone is flooding me so i installed denyhosts damm thing is deny my ip as well |
| 09:23.05 | simonrvn | !loldude |
| 09:23.10 | cgibin | what is that all about |
| 09:23.12 | simonrvn | meh |
| 09:23.45 | enouf | so .. here's my cat /proc/mtrr |
| 09:23.46 | enouf | reg00: base=0x00000000 ( 0MB), size= 512MB: write-back, count=1 |
| 09:23.55 | enouf | my MTRRs ... suck ass! |
| 09:23.58 | cgibin | crackin up on my statment i made cop of coffee |
| 09:24.17 | cgibin | not more then my denyhosts does |
| 09:24.19 | cgibin | it suxxx hard core assss |
| 09:24.34 | cgibin | damm stupid thing denying me as well |
| 09:24.38 | cgibin | what type of thing is that |
| 09:24.51 | simonrvn | it's called configuration |
| 09:25.01 | cgibin | oh great whoever is hiting the ip deny |
| 09:25.05 | cgibin | is that there way of thinking |
| 09:25.14 | cgibin | main as well put deny all |
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| 09:25.22 | enouf | and everything else seems right, AGP is on, dmesg is all nice, even glxinfo | grep rendering says Yes |
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| 09:25.27 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 09:25.41 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 09:25.42 | cgibin | sighs back to signer |
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| 09:26.28 | enouf | cgibin: the iptables way - though i like denyhosts. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
| 09:26.54 | Flesje | i just partioned my new harddisk and mounted it and edited fstab so it mounts auto, now i want to make a share on it with samba witch you can access from all pc's withouth giving a username/password, how can i do that? |
| 09:26.55 | cgibin | Linux verylate.blumers.com 2.6.16.62 #1 SMP Thu Sep 11 11:52:51 PDT 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 09:27.23 | enouf | and WTH does 'nvidia' think i want to use Xinerama? and why does it think i have more than 1 Display? .. :-/ |
| 09:27.29 | cgibin | enouf, thank you |
| 09:27.37 | enouf | stupid tv out - ... |
| 09:27.42 | cgibin | list you get your nv drives working |
| 09:27.49 | enouf | i need to go try a DVI-D cable or something |
| 09:28.18 | cgibin | on my fbsd 64b there is no nv drive only on 32 |
| 09:28.31 | sparn1 | simonrvn who did you plonk enouf or cgibin :) |
| 09:28.31 | enouf | or ,.. pull this POS card from the p2, and fix up and fire up the p4 .. |
| 09:28.37 | jaalto | cgibin, enouf: chkconfig is here http://www.fastcoder.net/software/chkconfig |
| 09:28.37 | jaalto | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.43 | enouf | sparn1: not me |
| 09:29.03 | sparn1 | could be a toss up |
| 09:29.06 | simonrvn | only problem with the p4 is the heat... |
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| 09:29.34 | sparn1 | cgibin go to http://www.fastcoder.net/software/chkconfig and download |
| 09:29.38 | enouf | simonrvn: i can handle it ;-) besides, it a 2001 p4, ala 1.8 GHZ or something O_o |
| 09:29.40 | cgibin | let me check that out as well jaalto thank you |
| 09:29.50 | enouf | simonrvn: no prescotts here ;-) |
| 09:29.53 | jescis | simonrvn, what about the comparible AMD processor? |
| 09:29.59 | simonrvn | not much problem |
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| 09:30.31 | enouf | it's the later p4s, prescotts (3.0GHz +) that were real heaters :-P |
| 09:30.33 | simonrvn | has a hot-running 1st gen. athlon ... |
| 09:30.54 | enouf | My p2 doesn even have a HSF - it's passive ;-) |
| 09:31.00 | enouf | so quiet , ;-) |
| 09:31.13 | simonrvn | CPU Temp: +50.5°C (high = +57.0°C, hyst = +60.0°C) sensor = thermistor |
| 09:31.14 | enouf | too bad the older HDD is louder than a Geiger counter |
| 09:31.21 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:31.40 | _2 | is there anything that can do an auto remove like "apt-get install -f" does an auto install ? |
| 09:31.44 | xingu | enouf: mtrr's are a dying thing; pat entries are the new new |
| 09:31.45 | sparn1 | simonrvn - i'm sure you know that those temps are good |
| 09:31.47 | jescis | enouf, what about a PIII |
| 09:31.49 | jescis | ? |
| 09:32.04 | enouf | _2: either a) use aptitude form the outset - or b) see debfoster/deborphan |
| 09:32.16 | enouf | jescis: they're fine .. as far as heat |
| 09:32.27 | enouf | jescis: it's the p4 and netburst arch that caused it |
| 09:32.40 | jescis | hhmmm |
| 09:32.47 | enouf | xingu: aye ... crap .. |
| 09:32.52 | simonrvn | temperature : 32 C (uncalibrated) # powerpc box |
| 09:32.58 | enouf | xingu: dang - anything i can do about it from userland? |
| 09:33.00 | simonrvn | ^^^ that's good |
| 09:33.04 | _2 | enouf i need to fix a missing dependancy. but i would like to remove rather than install |
| 09:33.17 | sparn1 | brrrre 32C is cold for a cpu :) |
| 09:33.22 | enouf | xingu: i was just noticing PAT stuff when looking for PAE info :-P |
| 09:33.33 | simonrvn | for a ppc that's on the warm side |
| 09:33.58 | enouf | _2: apt-cache depends <pkg> and selectively remove the dependencies? |
| 09:34.08 | jescis | would like a ppc computer -_- |
| 09:34.21 | Flesje | i just made the following config in the samba config file: http://pastebin.com/m1d759304 |
| 09:34.31 | Flesje | but now i'm not able to create a directory on it on the windows client |
| 09:34.36 | Flesje | how can i change this? |
| 09:34.57 | _2 | so there is nothing that can do it automaticly ? |
| 09:36.05 | xingu | enouf: you shouldn't need to do anything at all, allegedly a modern xorg and a modern kernel will automagically dtrt |
| 09:36.10 | enouf | xingu: here's my base pet peeve, this nv11 card has nothing over the nv5 i had in here - AFAICT, not even after i installed the "evil" blob .. :-( (except the lovely nview-settings crap and 3D perf, which i don't use - but i guess i might try something) .. but i never had "t3h 3vil" installed when the nv5 was installed |
| 09:37.01 | enouf | DVD playback sucks still, xterm scrolling STILL is not smooth , and PDF viewing is still very PAINFUL |
| 09:37.17 | enouf | but ... here it comes ... |
| 09:37.24 | cgibin | i just typed 5 times to get in to su i need to wash this keyboard its sticky |
| 09:37.24 | sparn1 | xingu what is dtrt - google wasn;t very helpful? |
| 09:37.34 | enouf | on win98, everything works smooth as silk O_o |
| 09:37.36 | xingu | sparn1: do the right thing |
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| 09:38.22 | enouf | xingu: JFYI , all new - sid here, all new Xorg stuffs, 2.6.26-x kernel, etc |
| 09:38.22 | sparn1 | i thought it was a new 3d modules lol |
| 09:38.35 | xingu | enouf: first thing to get right is the agp link speed as well as the sba mode |
| 09:38.49 | enouf | xingu: it's 2x .. |
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| 09:39.10 | jescis | enouf, that's because winws anything is as evil or more so evil then the nvidia things :x |
| 09:39.17 | xingu | enouf: and sba/fastwright |
| 09:39.28 | xingu | s/wright/write/ |
| 09:40.08 | enouf | xingu: hrm, sba , hrm ... check this to start though http://pastebin.ca/raw/1201695 |
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| 09:40.30 | _2 | why the hell is it that aptitude/apt-get wont allow removing a package without installing three in it's place ! |
| 09:40.58 | binrap | Dependencies (TM) |
| 09:41.14 | z3ro1 | hello all! i think i have a problem with gnome-system-tools. i can't access by root to users and groups. can you help me? |
| 09:41.27 | Flesje | any one knows a good software package that allows me to: backup my windows files to a linux box with some kind of small client on the windows pc |
| 09:41.28 | enouf | xingu: i'm pretty sure the card can do 4x AGP, but this chipset is too old, i'm surprised the p4 i pulled it from was using pc133 SD-RAM, like this system is |
| 09:42.25 | ukl | hello. I'm troubled with using my wireless device. it's a iwl3945-thingy in a laptop, and .../messages says something about "firmware: requesting iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode" - what, according to some forum postings, should be found in the non-free repository - but the debian wiki mentions that iwl-stuff would be open source now (referring to this page http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi ) |
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| 09:42.36 | ukl | Therefore, I must have misunderstood something... please correct me. |
| 09:42.54 | enouf | xingu: i think it was ~ the time that intel made a major move, away from RD-RAM, over back to SDR-SDRAM, in the hopes of the newer soon to be released DDR ram - but in the meantime, they sold p4s like crazy, cause they were much cheaper this way |
| 09:42.59 | _2 | oh. sorry, i have falsely accused apt-get it seems that only aptitude is to stupid to remove a package. apt-get seems to be working |
| 09:43.37 | sparn1 | jaalto - that url has some interesting code i didn't think of using before looking at it - thanks |
| 09:43.46 | liable | ukl: the drivers is opensource, but the firmware is a binary blob and thus nonfree |
| 09:44.04 | xingu | enouf: wikipedia says 440bx supports agp4x |
| 09:44.15 | xingu | oh |
| 09:44.22 | sparn1 | have a good nite all |
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| 09:44.33 | xingu | no, it leaks the i815 data into the 440bx article tricking poor early morning xingus |
| 09:44.36 | ukl | liable: ah, ok. thank you. Could you also point me to a way to use _this_ non-free package without enabling the non-free repository all together? (while still having it updated automatically?) |
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| 09:44.39 | enouf | xingu: i really really doubt it, but i'll check |
| 09:44.45 | enouf | right o |
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| 09:44.57 | liable | ukl: get it from packages.debian.org |
| 09:45.25 | ukl | liable: I thought about that but will this way keep my updated? |
| 09:45.28 | enouf | yes, the 440bx was the last of the real NB+SB ones - then they altered to MCH/ICH arch desgin, the 82801 |
| 09:45.32 | liable | ukl: nope |
| 09:45.37 | ukl | liable: ok |
| 09:46.15 | enouf | xingu: thanks though for checking - still - even AGP 2x is over 2.x GB/sec - IF write-combining is there ;-) |
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| 09:46.55 | enouf | xingu: here's the older tnt2pro i had in here prior (AGP 2x as well) http://www.nvidia.com/page/tnt2.html |
| 09:47.46 | enouf | xingu: so, i think it's maxed out at HostBus + AGP Bridge - but still .. i'm not even looking for "better" 3D perf |
| 09:48.04 | enouf | i want better 2D perf .. :-{ |
| 09:48.16 | xingu | enouf: 440bx supports sba but not fastwrites |
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| 09:48.32 | xingu | enouf: options nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 |
| 09:48.47 | enouf | xingu: is that a CPU flag you mean? ... oh .. |
| 09:49.32 | enouf | aha ... see all these tweaks - and the "nvidia" generated xorg.conf is a stinkin mess compared to my nice clean one from before ;-) |
| 09:49.44 | enouf | xingu: i'll try it out - thank you |
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| 09:50.59 | enouf | xingu: aha, the side-band addressing bit, duh |
| 09:51.11 | enouf | yes, i recall it does do that |
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| 09:51.23 | Elive_user97_en | hi everyone, i have problem after upgrading from etch to debian, anyone can help? |
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| 09:52.07 | enouf | xingu: ~$ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status | grep SBA |
| 09:52.07 | enouf | SBA: Disabled |
| 09:52.10 | simonrvn | "from etch to debian"? |
| 09:52.11 | enouf | :-/ |
| 09:52.22 | Elive_user97_en | sorry, from etch to lenny |
| 09:52.29 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 09:52.46 | enouf | Status: Enabled Driver: AGPGART AGP Rate: 2x Fast Writes: Disabled SBA: Disabled <--though xingu |
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| 09:53.18 | enouf | hugs the gentoo wiki :-P |
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| 09:54.55 | enouf | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Nvidia_Driver_AGP_FastWrite_and_Side_Band_Addressing fwiw |
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| 09:55.44 | enouf | i guess this is Binary Blob specific eh? Xorg nv == no way josé |
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| 09:56.35 | enouf | considers "nouveau" .. again .. not sure anything will help with 2D perf - i need to separate the 2D capabilites from the 3D ones |
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| 09:58.31 | xingu | enouf: does /proc/driver/nvidia/cards/0 have anything in it about agp? |
| 09:58.59 | enouf | xingu: just for the record, i've tried various boot params, i don't even know now which ones i'm using, (yes yes, cat /proc/cmdline == root=/dev/hdd1 ro printk.time=0 acpi=off vga=791 lapic) now, but i used to have "acpi=force vga=791 lapic" on my older kernels |
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| 09:59.33 | enouf | xingu: yes |
| 09:59.34 | enouf | Model: GeForce2 MX/MX 400 IRQ: 11 Video BIOS: 03.11.01.30.41 Card Type: AGP DMA Size: 32 bits DMA Mask: 0xffffffff |
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| 10:00.16 | xingu | enouf: what does /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/host-bridge contain? |
| 10:01.11 | enouf | xingu: i was comparing many various boot options with then output of dmesg + lspci -v + /proc/iomem + /proc/interrupts + Xorg.0.log -- got to be too confusing :-(\ |
| 10:01.17 | enouf | xingu: one sec |
| 10:01.41 | enouf | xingu: Host Bridge: PCI device 8086:7190 Fast Writes: Not Supported SBA: Supported AGP Rates: 2x 1x Registers: 0x1f000203:0x00000102 |
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| 10:02.51 | TuxCrafter | somebody here that has an /etc/network/interfaces example for a hotplug ppp modem? |
| 10:03.04 | xingu | enouf: ok so whatever you've done by way of passing SBA=1 to the nvidia kernel module hasn't bound |
| 10:03.24 | enouf | xingu: i noticed (i did the hex->decimal maths) that only 16MB was being set aside for <the card> though i think the nv5 said the same thing - (i forget if it said it in the lspci -v prefetchable or non-prefetchable or what) |
| 10:03.28 | TuxCrafter | insert usb device udev sends hotplug event /etc/network/interfaces start the connection |
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| 10:03.45 | goksin | TuxCrafter: have look at "ifplugd resolvconf guessnet" |
| 10:03.52 | enouf | xingu: i haven't passed anything yet to it :-/ |
| 10:04.06 | enouf | not intentionally anyway |
| 10:04.09 | xingu | enouf: oh, you need to per above (options nvidia ...) |
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| 10:04.31 | enouf | xingu: righto - and thanks again much |
| 10:04.38 | xingu | enouf: also, you may wish to experiment with using intel-agp instead of agpgart |
| 10:04.47 | goksin | TuxCrafter: I installed them, man pages and docs for packeges I mentioned has examples for config |
| 10:04.49 | enouf | xingu: i think both are used :-/ |
| 10:05.13 | enouf | xingu: my AGP Aperture in BIOS choices are 64M and 256M - which is better for this? |
| 10:05.18 | enouf | if any |
| 10:05.19 | TuxCrafter | goksin: dont want an other daemon running so ifplugd is not an option |
| 10:05.23 | xingu | enouf: you may have to start by blacklisting agpgart - but I'll bow to your experience, I *completely skipped* AGP entirely. |
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| 10:05.51 | xingu | enouf: bigger the better up to the limits of the on-card vram is my _guess_ |
| 10:06.33 | enouf | xingu: ok - i see that in the gentoo wiki -- BTW, here's lsmod output -> agpgart 28776 3 nvidia,drm,intel_agp and intel_agp 22300 1 |
| 10:07.25 | xingu | enouf: *nod* there's lots of cargo cult stuff out there on the net wrt "optimal" nvidia settings, some of it of a very low quality |
| 10:07.55 | TuxCrafter | seems i just need to write a new udev rule for the device |
| 10:08.10 | enouf | xingu: BTW, i recall "nvidiafb" being mentioned STILL in lspci -k output .. ugh - oh, and i tried disabling/omitting "vga=791" at boot, thinking the FB was hogging some resources - oh - this is why -> PCI: Failed to allocate mem resource #6:10000@f8000000 for 0000:01:00.0 |
| 10:08.22 | enouf | the 0000:01:00.0 is the AGP bus/card |
| 10:08.29 | xingu | enouf: needless to say the perf issues are usually related to - agp link rate, then sba, then fastwrite - and finally things like RenderAccel (may default to off for your chipset, check xorg log) |
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| 10:08.59 | enouf | xingu: ok -- thanks so much again - will bark when i have any results ;-) |
| 10:09.02 | xingu | enouf: do not use nvidiafb at the same time as xorg |
| 10:09.21 | enouf | xingu: i know :-/ .. but why is it mentioned at all? .. |
| 10:09.32 | xingu | enouf: kernel boot arg video=nvidiafb:off |
| 10:09.54 | enouf | $ lspci -k | grep nvidiafb | xargs |
| 10:09.54 | enouf | Kernel modules: nvidiafb, nvidia |
| 10:10.05 | xingu | ick |
| 10:10.21 | enouf | ok then - thanks - BTW, lshal | grep driver, and lsmod NEVER showed nvidiafb |
| 10:10.55 | enouf | yes - not sure what's up witht that - been there through all kernels + all drivers (xorg + blob) + both cards |
| 10:11.19 | xingu | enouf: but fundamentally nv11 is pretty damn slow anyway ;) |
| 10:11.48 | enouf | xingu: one hope is though; --> Kernel driver in use: nvidia <== above the line i showed |
| 10:11.54 | DimmuR | is there debian way for nvidia in debian lenny? |
| 10:11.57 | enouf | xingu: i know ... |
| 10:11.59 | xingu | strokes his hd4850 like dr evil's cat |
| 10:12.16 | enouf | hahaha ,... dammit, whatever happened to Matrox! |
| 10:12.36 | xingu | never trust a canuckian gpu ;) |
| 10:12.51 | enouf | hahahah - ooo you bad you |
| 10:12.55 | xingu | (they're currently whoring themselves out as low power/ low tdp multihead) |
| 10:13.03 | enouf | ewwww |
| 10:13.28 | enouf | i recall that Parhilia stuff or whatever - ugh .. |
| 10:13.57 | enouf | DimmuR: sure |
| 10:14.08 | xingu | we actually use multihead mga's at work; 8 screens per system |
| 10:14.12 | enouf | DimmuR: /msg dpkg nvidia, follow the wiki directions |
| 10:14.27 | enouf | bastages! |
| 10:14.43 | enouf | you must be a Fed Pen. watchdog :-P |
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| 10:15.13 | DimmuR | enouf, the problem is that i can't see nvidia-kernel-source in my apt (i added non-free contrib sections) |
| 10:15.14 | xingu | they do have a damn refined sw stack, it always just does the right thing with minimise/maximise/toolbar/modal dialogues etc |
| 10:16.05 | xingu | tell you what though you do need to enable extra large mouse pointer theme (for the hard of hearing) with trails on though with that much glass |
| 10:16.15 | xingu | otherwise you can't tell where the focus is |
| 10:16.17 | enouf | DimmuR: did you add a deb-src line to sources.list? |
| 10:16.23 | enouf | DimmuR: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 10:17.02 | enouf | xingu: aye - or atleast 3D Shadows :-P |
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| 10:17.45 | enouf | xingu: unless you mean literally you work with some handicapped folk - in that case, ignore my jokes please |
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| 10:18.11 | dudeman | hey |
| 10:18.17 | dudeman | are there any cpanel alternatives in debian? |
| 10:18.25 | g00se_ | What's a good front end to MySQL? |
| 10:18.26 | enouf | xingu: you make it sound like imax though :-P |
| 10:18.35 | kspath | g00se_: command line |
| 10:19.05 | dudeman | g00se_, phpmyadmin if you have a server |
| 10:19.06 | enouf | dudeman: i personally don't know about that |
| 10:19.09 | dudeman | g00se_, or use mysql-admin |
| 10:19.39 | g00se_ | dudeman: was thinking client-side standalone |
| 10:19.53 | dudeman | make twice what i used to make |
| 10:19.57 | dudeman | g00se_, or use mysql-admin |
| 10:20.21 | g00se_ | dudeman: i'll check it thanks |
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| 10:24.26 | hagen | hi |
| 10:24.29 | pippijn | hi |
| 10:24.48 | hagen | having a quit big problem |
| 10:24.53 | pippijn | oh? |
| 10:25.12 | hagen | got a new pc... and the problem seems to be the nforce 610 chipset |
| 10:25.21 | DimmuR | enouf, thanks for hints |
| 10:25.51 | hagen | if the 7050 graphics doesn't work i won't worry |
| 10:26.17 | hagen | but neither lan nor ide is detected |
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| 10:27.40 | hagen | what i found on the web said the chipset isn't supported, but the information was from spring |
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| 10:31.36 | hagen | is the nforce 610i supported by debian? |
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| 10:34.50 | pippijn | hagen: I have no idea |
| 10:34.58 | pippijn | hagen: you have to ask the linux kernel |
| 10:35.32 | hagen | ? |
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| 10:36.06 | AvK | hi, how was the name this arch -kde discribution |
| 10:37.16 | hagen | lspci says for all unknown device |
| 10:37.55 | nabax | this is not for debian, but it might work: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=715247 |
| 10:38.09 | nabax | it's ubuntu but... i guess it has to work in debian as welll |
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| 10:39.01 | ham5 | my 680i had no problems at all |
| 10:39.32 | frederick | is there a way to take control over a process running in a different shell via its PID? or something like nohup just for process ids? |
| 10:39.39 | pippijn | hagen: run update-pciids |
| 10:40.40 | hagen | pippijn at the moment im not really in the system the problems occur during installation |
| 10:40.56 | hagen | the most serious is that i haven't lan and harddisk |
| 10:41.13 | pippijn | hmm |
| 10:41.26 | pippijn | hagen: installing what version? lenny? |
| 10:41.41 | frederick | is there a way to take control over a process running in a different shell via its PID? or something like nohup just for process ids? |
| 10:41.44 | frederick | sorr |
| 10:41.47 | dgodfather | when doing fdisk -l after the usual output i get the following message: "Partition table entries are not in disk order" |
| 10:41.52 | hagen | öhm ^^ just downloaded the latest stable amd64 -dvds |
| 10:41.53 | dgodfather | what does that mean? |
| 10:41.55 | hagen | guess so |
| 10:41.59 | pippijn | hagen: stable is very old |
| 10:42.03 | pippijn | hagen: it's almost too old |
| 10:42.19 | pippijn | hagen: stable's kernel doesn't support a lot of hardware recent ones do |
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| 10:42.58 | pippijn | hagen: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-LennyBeta2-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 10:44.52 | _2 | the old trouble maker is back. using debian etch is there anyway to remove selinux enhancements from etch ? |
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| 10:45.31 | pippijn | _2: you can compile your own kernel without them |
| 10:45.42 | pippijn | _2: or pass selinux=0 (I think it was that) to the kernel as options |
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| 10:47.03 | _2 | pippijn ok. i'll test that option. what about /lib/libselinux.so.1 every command depends on it, is that because of the kernel options ? |
| 10:47.17 | pippijn | _2: no, they may depend on it but it's unused |
| 10:47.43 | _2 | unused ? if you move it out of /lib no command will function. |
| 10:47.54 | pippijn | yes |
| 10:47.57 | pippijn | the link is required |
| 10:47.58 | enouf | ok, going for a reboot to check out this new SBA setting xingu ... bbiab |
| 10:48.02 | _2 | or do you mean after passing that option ? |
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| 10:48.05 | pippijn | the symbols are not looked up, though |
| 10:48.08 | pippijn | so it does not hurt |
| 10:48.43 | _2 | hmm so why wouldn't a blank file by that name work ? |
| 10:49.04 | pippijn | _2: it needs to be a valid ELF binary |
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| 10:49.34 | pippijn | _2: and if someone sets LD_BIND_NOW into the environment, you're out of luck |
| 10:49.39 | _2 | a compiled "hello world" then :) |
| 10:50.40 | pippijn | _2: you should probably define all symbols in the library to stubs |
| 10:50.56 | pippijn | and if an app actually uses the functionality provided by libselinux, you're also out of luck |
| 10:50.58 | pippijn | why do you want this? |
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| 10:52.16 | _2 | pippijn i'll get the source for libselinux1 and see what i can do. thanks. |
| 10:52.29 | pippijn | _2: good luck |
| 10:52.39 | _2 | ty |
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| 10:53.11 | pippijn | he's going to die |
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| 10:53.34 | NeoIce | hahahah |
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| 10:54.01 | marmolak | irc -c irc.honeynet.cz |
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| 10:56.39 | hagen | ok i try this one... |
| 10:56.45 | hagen | it seems to work^^ |
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| 10:57.04 | hagen | have to unplug this pc for a while thanks |
| 10:57.09 | blame | I have a VoIP router which supports syslog. How can I retreive debug messages from the router? |
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| 10:59.33 | blame | I've entered my internetl Ip address as syslog server, however I receive no messages in /var/log - is there something I'm missing? |
| 11:00.42 | JyZyXEL | in Debian there is no /usr/local/rrdtool/lib/perl/ |
| 11:00.59 | NeoIce | blame: firewall rules? syslog running? |
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| 11:01.04 | JyZyXEL | what is it? |
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| 11:01.39 | NeoIce | blame: I think there also is a setting to have syslog allow input over the network |
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| 11:03.28 | blame | NeoIce: yes, syslog runs, and firewall is ok |
| 11:04.07 | blame | NeoIce: any help would be great, how do I allow network input for syslog? |
| 11:04.24 | JyZyXEL | whats the Debian equivalent for /usr/local/rrdtool/lib/perl/ |
| 11:04.25 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: there is a rrdtool package. look where it puts its files |
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| 11:05.19 | Saschaa | hi |
| 11:05.25 | JyZyXEL | only /usr/bin shit |
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| 11:05.49 | JyZyXEL | guess ill try that |
| 11:06.06 | Saschaa | Do you know an alternative to Plesk or Confixx? |
| 11:06.16 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: have you ever thought about using your brain? |
| 11:06.20 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: what is /usr/local/rrdtool/lib/perl/ used for? |
| 11:06.21 | Saschaa | i have tested vhcs2 but it dont work.. |
| 11:06.27 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: I guess you want a perl interface for rrdtool? |
| 11:06.41 | JyZyXEL | seems to work with /usr/bin |
| 11:07.15 | Saschaa | Is here someone who can install vhcs2 at debian 3.1 vps? I pay for it! |
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| 11:07.38 | damike | hi |
| 11:07.50 | damike | where is lynx oder wget by default in debian? /usr/bin? |
| 11:08.01 | Saschaa | oder XD? deutsch? |
| 11:08.08 | damike | or sorry ;) |
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| 11:08.29 | Saschaa | damike ^^ hast nen plan davon und kannst evtl vhcs2 installieren? zahle auch xD |
| 11:08.58 | damike | Saschaa, ich will kein debian benutzen - muss es mom aber. kein ssh zugriff - daher meine frage |
| 11:09.19 | Saschaa | aso , ka kannste es denn trotzdem? xD |
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| 11:09.44 | damike | Saschaa, nein - ich muss etwas mit php machen |
| 11:09.56 | Saschaa | aso ^^ |
| 11:10.05 | Saschaa | kennste wen der könnte,zahl auch ey ^^ ich krieg hier nen rappel ^^ |
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| 11:10.29 | blame | NeoIce: nevermind I got it. |
| 11:10.59 | xand | !de |
| 11:10.59 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
| 11:11.17 | damike | xand, well - my question was in english ;) |
| 11:11.31 | xand | damike: je ne comprends pas |
| 11:11.31 | NeoIce | blame: wht was the solution? |
| 11:11.44 | damike | strange community |
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| 11:15.31 | Saschaa | Is here someone who can install vhcs2 at debian 3.1 vps? I pay for it! |
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| 11:19.05 | Flesje | Saschaa |
| 11:19.06 | Flesje | http://www.rootprompt.org/article.php3?article=11110 |
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| 11:20.03 | Flesje | Saschaa |
| 11:20.09 | Flesje | you could also check www.howtoforge.com |
| 11:20.09 | Saschaa | Flesje i have test |
| 11:20.14 | Flesje | there are loads of tutorials |
| 11:20.19 | Saschaa | to install it 10-20x |
| 11:20.46 | Saschaa | but than i want to try to open the control panel page also http://xxxxxxx.de than nothing was there |
| 11:21.00 | Saschaa | and at the ip , there was only : Apache default install page |
| 11:21.16 | Saschaa | sorry for the bad english |
| 11:21.58 | Saschaa | and its so important for me , that it runs.. but dont know how |
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| 11:22.03 | Saschaa | Flesje |
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| 11:22.18 | Flesje | i could take a look later this day, but have to go within 10mins |
| 11:22.34 | Flesje | buying some shit for birthday for some one |
| 11:22.53 | Saschaa | Flesje do you have icq or msn, i pay for it , really but iam scared at this moment.. :( |
| 11:23.07 | Flesje | yes |
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| 11:23.17 | Saschaa | msn? |
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| 11:37.56 | jaalto | offtopic: which one is correct english: "written in capital letters" or "written with capital letters"? |
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| 11:40.12 | lxsameer | which package contain iwconfig? |
| 11:40.17 | kasmra | jaalto, I'd use "in". |
| 11:40.27 | jaalto | kasmra: ok, thanks. |
| 11:40.40 | kasmra | jaalto, no problem. |
| 11:40.41 | dgodfather | i want to be able to insert to usb sticks to my pc and get each one to be udev mounted to a specific device node, say usb1 to /dev/sdb1 and usb2 to /dev/sdb2, i tried to write a udev rule but without success, |
| 11:40.42 | dgodfather | i guess i am missing something in the tutorial |
| 11:40.47 | dgodfather | can anyone help me please? |
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| 11:41.07 | jaalto | lxsameer: wireless-tools |
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| 11:41.29 | ph8 | hey all |
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| 11:41.35 | ph8 | Debian goes stable, unstable, testing right? |
| 11:41.44 | ph8 | or is it stable, testing, unstable? |
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| 11:42.00 | jaalto | ph8: "+ experimental" at the tail |
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| 11:42.07 | ph8 | i'm just getting a new system and want the latest packages i can get - so was thinking of upgrading to testing |
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| 11:42.12 | ph8 | testing sounds like a good idea then |
| 11:42.17 | ph8 | is experimental massively unstable? |
| 11:42.22 | jaalto | ph8: stable, testing, unstable, experimental |
| 11:42.37 | ph8 | maybe i'll go to unstable then |
| 11:42.52 | mbroeker | jaalto, etch, etchnhalf, lenny and sid? |
| 11:42.54 | ph8 | is unstable literally unstable (maybe a silly question :p) or should it be workable for a personal playground box type environment? |
| 11:43.06 | ph8 | unstable == lenny? |
| 11:43.12 | Zharf | no |
| 11:43.16 | Zharf | sid = unstable |
| 11:43.22 | Zharf | lenny is testing and etch is stable |
| 11:43.30 | jaalto | ph8: I'd recomment testing. It has all the unstable spackes in few weeks times (4 or so), but it's "stable", unlike "unstable" |
| 11:43.47 | Zharf | jaalto, unstable is quite stable imo :) |
| 11:44.44 | ph8 | so i'll upgrade to lenny then |
| 11:44.48 | jaalto | unstable: It depends. I have had is broken several times and reported bugs to package maintainers. Usually a packaging problem, which needs manual surgery. If one is not up to the task, unstable is not for the faint of heart |
| 11:45.07 | ph8 | unstable won't generally spontaneously crash though? |
| 11:45.10 | jaalto | ph8: upgrade to "testing". and you stay current all the time. |
| 11:45.19 | ph8 | ta |
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| 11:45.41 | jaalto | ph8: ... but we'd need to know more where you want to use the system. |
| 11:46.06 | Zharf | I've only managed to find one package bug from unstable during these four years or so |
| 11:46.10 | Zharf | :( |
| 11:46.19 | lxsameer | what is wmaster0 interface? |
| 11:46.46 | ph8 | jaalto: It's a personal box, running a few of my development sites that don't need to up all the time but it's a rental dedicated in another country so there's next to no support - i'd rather i didn't have to ask for it to be reimaged or anything |
| 11:46.52 | jaalto | Zharf: lucky you. I have more of 10-20 during 4 years. |
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| 11:47.08 | ph8 | so if unstable just has some dodgy packages probably ok, but i fit has kernels that might kill the machine - probably bad |
| 11:47.17 | Zharf | jaalto, I'm quite disappointed really, I'd want more breakage to releave my boredom :) |
| 11:47.19 | jaalto | ph8: ok, "testing" seems optimal for you. |
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| 11:49.35 | jaalto | ph8: "apt-get upgrade" is quite safe. It does not update kernel or anything. What you want to watch is "apt-get dist-upgrade" and be ready to breakage (you need to be at console just in case to be sure). |
| 11:50.48 | jaalto | ph8: byu breakage I mean, that if you upgrade kernel, and have locally compiled packages, like for nvidia, wireless etc.; you *need* to build the system again for that kernel. |
| 11:51.19 | ph8 | indeed |
| 11:51.20 | ph8 | thx |
| 11:51.26 | ph8 | just got to wait for leaseweb to send me some root loving :o |
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| 11:55.55 | jaalto | ph8: I don't know if you know Emacs, but the best help for upgrades is to use "Emacs ediff" where you can select which parts from the new installation configurations files to merge to your existing installation. Just press "a" to <get> chnages from the upgrade. "q" to quit. |
| 11:56.06 | ph8 | thx |
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| 11:57.29 | jaalto | Here is function I wrote to ~/.bashrc to do that automatically. If upgrade says "/etc/<file> has changed locally...what to do?", you just drop to shell and call "_aptdiff /etc/<file>" and start merging in changes. |
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| 11:57.52 | jaalto | http://sial.org/pbot/32141 |
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| 12:00.48 | scintilla | http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=G-HRVRjAwfs |
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| 12:14.34 | dgodfather | i have a small problem i think usb drives are all mounted to the same device node |
| 12:14.38 | dgodfather | could this be? |
| 12:15.03 | dgodfather | can't i mount two seperate usb sticks in parallel each to another device node? |
| 12:15.52 | cloakable | dgodfather: device node? as in an entry under /dev ? |
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| 12:17.33 | dgodfather | cloakable: yep |
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| 12:17.37 | KleinerHai | I just edited my menu.lst boot file. Now i get "VFS: Cannot open root device "sda4" or unknown Block (0,0) |
| 12:17.44 | KleinerHai | But I#m sure that's it! |
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| 12:18.10 | dgodfather | cloakable: well it seems i can't enter two sticks at a time, when i insert second stick then the first is automatically unmounted |
| 12:18.14 | dgodfather | or something |
| 12:19.15 | dgodfather | my rules are giving each stick it's own symlink in the dev directory and i wrote fstab to mount each symlink to a dirrenet mount point but i can't mount both at the same time each to it's own location |
| 12:19.18 | dgodfather | why is that? |
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| 12:19.58 | cloakable | dgodfather: no idea. I'd check your udev rules. i leave those alone! |
| 12:20.25 | dgodfather | well even if no rules are there, i can't insert two sticks |
| 12:20.31 | dgodfather | only one is recognized |
| 12:20.54 | cloakable | Hrm |
| 12:20.55 | jaalto | KleinerHai: drop to Grub shell at boot prompt and run: find /boot/grub/stage1 |
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| 12:21.04 | dgodfather | is there something in debian defaults that allocates only one node to represent disk on keys entries? |
| 12:21.38 | tarvid | what is the preferred location for zone files? |
| 12:21.39 | KleinerHai | jaalto: What is it good for? |
| 12:21.51 | jaalto | dgodfather: I have 4 sticks poked to my PC, so it must be custom udev rule thing. |
| 12:22.19 | dgodfather | well i will remove them now and retry to see if i can put them all together |
| 12:23.06 | jaalto | KleinerHai: It may not be exactly what you want, but close. See www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual |
| 12:23.19 | tarvid | and is there a script for adding zones? |
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| 12:24.14 | KleinerHai | Thank you, jaalto. Now I've to read a lot :) |
| 12:24.46 | dgodfather | jaalto: well here is the thing i removed all rules, when i did fdisk -l with one stick it showed |
| 12:25.13 | dgodfather | jaalto: but when i inserted the second one, and again fdisk -l no stick is shown |
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| 12:25.40 | dgodfather | what is that all about, and why it jumped it's device node to sdi, when to begin with it was sdc |
| 12:25.42 | dgodfather | ? |
| 12:25.54 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 12:26.06 | dury | does debian run gtk+2.14 |
| 12:26.07 | jaalto | KleinerHai: also at Grub boot prompt drop to "e" to edit lines. Probably mistake in "root (hd0,5)" => root=/dev/sda6 or similar |
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| 12:26.24 | biopyte | folks, i bought a nice stage piano and now want to dig into linux sound manipulation? there is tons of information out there. anyway, i'm looking for a neat side explaining the basics for using midi sequencers, jack, soft synths etc on debian/linux. any recommendations/ |
| 12:26.39 | biopyte | ? |
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| 12:27.00 | biopyte | any musicians online? |
| 12:27.04 | jaalto | dgodfather: fdisk -l should show them. Strange |
| 12:27.10 | dury | biopyte: me |
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| 12:27.14 | KleinerHai | I'm musican :) |
| 12:27.28 | jaalto | raises guitar |
| 12:27.32 | dgodfather | jaalto: what do you thing may be wrong? |
| 12:27.33 | biopyte | dury, KleinerHai: nice |
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| 12:27.45 | dury | biopyte: but I use synths like korg karma |
| 12:27.49 | dgodfather | by the way i am on xfce4 |
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| 12:28.01 | KleinerHai | xfce4 --> very cool! |
| 12:28.06 | jaalto | dgodfather: Eh, I'm wrong person to answer since udev is black hole to me |
| 12:28.23 | biopyte | dury: nice, but do also use a linux midi sequencer? |
| 12:28.24 | dgodfather | jaalto: oh, in that case thanks |
| 12:28.37 | dgodfather | KleinerHai: why do you say it's cool? |
| 12:28.40 | KleinerHai | XFCE4 is very nice to configure a kiosk mode for skools like i did. |
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| 12:28.45 | KleinerHai | that's it :) |
| 12:28.46 | jaalto | dgodfather: I woudl probably "apt-get --reinstall install <udev...>" for start |
| 12:29.15 | dury | biopyte: how can I use linux midi sequencer with korg karma |
| 12:29.36 | biopyte | dunno, dont know your karma |
| 12:29.49 | biopyte | bad karma? |
| 12:29.55 | KleinerHai | :D |
| 12:29.59 | biopyte | cant help |
| 12:30.02 | KleinerHai | loooool |
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| 12:30.38 | dury | biopyte: http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?A_PROD_NO=KARMA |
| 12:30.41 | KleinerHai | is laughint out loud ....bad karma...very nice :) |
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| 12:31.02 | biopyte | cmon, nobody here talking linux and music? |
| 12:31.04 | dury | biopyte: that's the one I have |
| 12:31.29 | biopyte | ahh, good karma. i see |
| 12:31.50 | dury | biopyte: and it sounds great |
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| 12:32.11 | KleinerHai | :D |
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| 12:33.15 | biopyte | dury: congratulations. being honest, i'm a total beginner. just bought a kawai mp5. know nothing about synthesizers. |
| 12:33.16 | xand | hmm |
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| 12:33.41 | biopyte | karma of that thing i dont know |
| 12:33.46 | dury | biopyte: right I see |
| 12:33.50 | dudeman | !ot |
| 12:33.50 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 12:33.52 | biopyte | hopefully good karma |
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| 12:33.56 | dudeman | $music |
| 12:34.00 | dudeman | #music |
| 12:34.00 | biopyte | ;-) |
| 12:34.56 | dudeman | biopyte, I thought you wanted to talk music and linux? |
| 12:35.11 | biopyte | thtas right |
| 12:35.24 | biopyte | you know something |
| 12:35.27 | dudeman | you can do that in #music |
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| 12:35.53 | dudeman | biopyte, I know lots of thigns... |
| 12:35.56 | biopyte | okapi14, but i'm afraid that channel very general. |
| 12:36.06 | biopyte | dudeman |
| 12:36.11 | dudeman | you've never been there |
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| 12:36.18 | biopyte | thats true |
| 12:36.29 | biopyte | thanks for the hint |
| 12:36.31 | dudeman | you do realize that there are producers and artists who use OSS for thier production env. |
| 12:36.34 | dudeman | including me. |
| 12:36.55 | biopyte | no. tell me more. seriuosly, i'm interested. |
| 12:37.04 | dudeman | fine don't join. This is a support/help channel for debian. Keep this duscussion out of here. |
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| 12:37.12 | biopyte | ok |
| 12:37.21 | biopyte | #music. got it. |
| 12:37.46 | biopyte | i was just asking for a primer to start from. didnt want to discuss music here. |
| 12:37.55 | dury | dudeman: are you there? |
| 12:38.10 | dudeman | I am God. I'm everywhere. |
| 12:38.12 | dury | first of all hi there channel :) |
| 12:38.30 | dudeman | !greet dury |
| 12:38.30 | dpkg | Gr33tz, dury |
| 12:38.48 | dury | sorry channel |
| 12:38.51 | dury | :( |
| 12:39.03 | Asmooh | <dudeman> I am God. I'm everywhere. <<< you THINK you are god :') .. the ppl that say they "are" god are most of the time noting |
| 12:40.23 | dudeman | "I don't need your pop religions. I have found my saviour... and he speaks _within_ me!" |
| 12:40.51 | Asmooh | dudeman, i dont care. Because you are "something" on an irc server doesnt meen you are something |
| 12:40.51 | Asmooh | ;) |
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| 12:41.19 | Asmooh | just keep the "im god" thing for yourself |
| 12:42.03 | dudeman | so I was fucking my girlfriend the other day and she said "oh my god" and I said "yes my love? I'm here." |
| 12:42.06 | dudeman | *ahem* |
| 12:42.38 | KleinerHai | ...isn't this a debian help chan and NOT a really really bad joke chan? |
| 12:42.38 | cloakable | lmao |
| 12:43.02 | dudeman | :D |
| 12:43.11 | KleinerHai | the karma thing was quite cool....but this....;) |
| 12:43.20 | dudeman | hehe |
| 12:43.28 | dudeman | dude its 8 in morning in usa |
| 12:43.33 | dudeman | saturday no less |
| 12:43.37 | dudeman | aint nothin goin on here |
| 12:43.46 | dudeman | people off work on weekend all over globe |
| 12:43.50 | Asmooh | 14:15 here |
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| 12:44.02 | KleinerHai | 14:43 here :) |
| 12:44.11 | KleinerHai | Okay dudeman...you're the dude ;) |
| 12:44.20 | KleinerHai | man? |
| 12:44.34 | KleinerHai | !dude |
| 12:44.35 | dpkg | like, y'knoow. |
| 12:44.37 | dudeman | thas right |
| 12:44.39 | dudeman | no |
| 12:44.41 | dudeman | !stoned |
| 12:44.41 | dpkg | sits in a corner rocking singing "jingle bells, jingle bells" quietly to himself with an evil grin on his face... as he touches himself ever so slightly... http://stoned.is.dreaming.org |
| 12:44.45 | KleinerHai | cool! |
| 12:44.55 | dudeman | <-- stoned |
| 12:45.01 | dudeman | these days im known as the dudeman |
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| 12:45.22 | dudeman | I've been known to go by 'rectum' 'Nyle' 'ajavid' |
| 12:46.06 | KleinerHai | ajavid? |
| 12:46.10 | KleinerHai | Persian name? |
| 12:46.11 | dudeman | I'm trying to make a debian website |
| 12:46.18 | dudeman | indeed! |
| 12:46.25 | dudeman | you are the first person who got it |
| 12:46.38 | dudeman | it means Ever living/everlasting |
| 12:46.42 | dudeman | in farsi |
| 12:46.46 | KleinerHai | ;) |
| 12:46.49 | KleinerHai | Thanks :) |
| 12:47.08 | KleinerHai | I've a friend he's called just javid. |
| 12:47.17 | dudeman | thats my last name :) |
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| 12:47.59 | dury | bbl |
| 12:48.27 | dudeman | I made this new website template.. I'm gonna make my debian page |
| 12:48.52 | dudeman | dpkg dudeman is dudeman's Debian GNU/Linux website is http://dudeman.gotdns.com |
| 12:48.53 | dpkg | dudeman: okay |
| 12:49.26 | dudeman | its all blue n stuff |
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| 12:52.04 | tarvid | what is the easiest way of getting ip address in a shell script |
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| 12:52.21 | peppe | tarvid: which ip address? |
| 12:52.46 | tarvid | good point, the ip address this machine presents to the outside world |
| 12:53.15 | dgodfather | in xfce how do i add a mount icon for my inserted disk on key to the desktop? i mean i inserted a usb, now i want to have the icon on the desktop that it was recognized and the option to mount it |
| 12:53.21 | dgodfather | how do i acheive that? |
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| 12:54.14 | dudeman | !myip |
| 12:54.14 | dpkg | To get your ip: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub\"addr:",""\;print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;' |
| 12:54.14 | xand | if I find a bug in a debian packaged program, should i report the bug with debian, or with the original author? (the program is mysql on etch) |
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| 12:54.39 | dudeman | xand, reportbug |
| 12:54.50 | dudeman | xand, unless you want to contact upstream |
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| 12:55.14 | xand | so will the debian maintainers pass it upstream as necessary? |
| 12:55.22 | Flesje^^ | libc-dev is a existing package right? |
| 12:55.23 | dudeman | of course |
| 12:55.30 | Flesje^^ | cause apt-get does tell me it not excists |
| 12:55.36 | dudeman | they always try to submit patches upstream that need be submitted |
| 12:55.44 | dudeman | unless it is a debian specific thing |
| 12:55.48 | tarvid | dpkg, how confident are you that is the easiest |
| 12:55.48 | dpkg | tarvid: what are you talking about? |
| 12:56.01 | dudeman | you have to file a bug in the debian bts regardless |
| 12:56.09 | tarvid | To get your ip: |
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| 12:56.55 | Becka | is there a way to switch os language back to english |
| 12:56.55 | xand | tarvid: dpkg is a bot. |
| 12:57.10 | tarvid | thanks |
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| 12:57.32 | dudeman | !locale |
| 12:57.32 | dpkg | methinks locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
| 12:57.42 | dudeman | Becka, ^^ |
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| 12:58.34 | Becka | eerm |
| 12:58.37 | Becka | what do I do? |
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| 12:59.28 | Becka | oh, done |
| 12:59.32 | Becka | thanks :) |
| 12:59.33 | xand | fail |
| 12:59.39 | xand | error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
| 13:01.22 | Becka | where are shell rc files? |
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| 13:02.35 | Becka | the interface language didn't change :( |
| 13:02.47 | Becka | so how exactly do I make it english? |
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| 13:05.03 | dgodfather | does dabian (udev) have a problem mounting two disk on key devices to diefferent device node if both are connected threw a usb hub? |
| 13:05.06 | tarvid | what is the prefered location and extension for zone files |
| 13:05.30 | dgodfather | i had a problem, every time i pushed in the second one, the first one was unmounted and the second also didn't mount |
| 13:05.50 | dgodfather | then when puting them in different ports in the pc they are both recognized |
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| 13:07.19 | FinnTux | I have lenny as iscsi initiator and everything works great. how to set uid/gid to something else than current root:disk? |
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| 13:19.07 | dgodfather | i wanna use the 2.6.18 kernel but my chipset is to new for that and i don't get sound(suppose i am missing the driver) |
| 13:19.17 | dgodfather | my chipset is intel p35 ich9 |
| 13:19.35 | dgodfather | how can i install the drivers without installing the newer kernel versions? |
| 13:19.51 | dgodfather | where it's embeded into the kernel |
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| 13:25.14 | enouf | FinnTux: does the module it uses have parameters you can pass it upon loading for that? |
| 13:25.46 | enouf | FinnTux: otherwise you might need to mess with udev rules? |
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| 13:28.37 | FinnTux | enouf, yes, I figured I need to fiddle with udev. I don't think iscsi modules have any such parameters |
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| 13:30.28 | enouf | FinnTux: modinfo <modulename> should show it , if it exists - i found something recently i never would've thought did - the nvidia binary blob |
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| 13:32.10 | enouf | FinnTux: NVreg_DeviceFileUID=0 NVreg_DeviceFileGID=44 NVreg_DeviceFileMode=0660 |
| 13:32.41 | enouf | in modprobe options, that's basically root:video with perms 660 |
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| 13:33.10 | FinnTux | enouf, problem is that iscsi modules don't create the device. iscsi initiator (open-iscsi) does |
| 13:34.20 | enouf | FinnTux: only thing i can even think is udev rules ("/msg dpkg udev rules"), however maybe open-iscsi docs? |
| 13:34.59 | FinnTux | enouf, yes. just looking at udev stuff |
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| 13:36.13 | jpinx | I'm pushed for space and need more swap space. Can I mount my USB stick as swap temporarily? |
| 13:36.15 | enouf | FinnTux: i've browsed these lists at times; http://dir.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.linux.iscsi |
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| 13:36.57 | FinnTux | enouf, thanks. I think it is time to learn udev stuff... |
| 13:37.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | jpinx, yes in theory, but swap over usb=pretty awful sounding |
| 13:37.30 | jpinx | I presume I'd have to make a dir on it and make a swap filesystem on it? |
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| 13:37.54 | jpinx | Kamping_Kaiser: yea - I suppose it'll be slow? |
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| 13:38.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | jpinx, yes, in short |
| 13:38.12 | rgammans | Pah, Does /etc/apt/preferences - have a simple way of commenting out a rule? |
| 13:38.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | jpinx, either format the lot as swap, or make a swap file |
| 13:38.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | hasnt preferences been depreciated for 2 releases? |
| 13:38.52 | jpinx | Kamping_Kaiser: cool - I'll look at that - thanks |
| 13:39.12 | rgammans | kasier: pass, what replaced it then? |
| 13:39.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | i thought apt.conf |
| 13:40.16 | enouf | jpinx: you can have many swaps at once too |
| 13:40.34 | enouf | rgammans: comment out what kind of rule? |
| 13:40.49 | enouf | Kamping_Kaiser: not for pinning |
| 13:41.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | enouf, ah, ok. i'll try and remember that |
| 13:41.26 | enouf | Kamping_Kaiser: see man apt_preferences (the name hides it when tab completing sometimes ;-)) |
| 13:41.28 | rgammans | Yeah a pin rule, I want to temporiarly remove my testing pin rule |
| 13:41.57 | rgammans | ahh I was looking for the man page apt-preferences... |
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| 13:42.37 | enouf | rgammans: you can override 'holds' with direct 'apt-get install pkgname' but i'd have to know more about your situtation - not that i want to :-P |
| 13:43.13 | dudeman | enouf, hey |
| 13:43.26 | enouf | Kamping_Kaiser: rgammans is a case in point (hidden man page) as was i, when i 1st looked years ago ;-P |
| 13:43.36 | enouf | hi dudeman |
| 13:44.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | enouf, hehe. i dont use pinning, so i'm not up with that stuff |
| 13:44.24 | rgammans | enouf: Not a lot to know. I just normally use preferences to make aptitude more circumspect about testing and unstable, but still let me see the availiablity |
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| 13:45.07 | rgammans | enouf: I want to remove the effect of the rule but leave it it the file so I can reinistate it later. (Like after lenny is released) |
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| 13:46.15 | drcode | hi all |
| 13:46.35 | drcode | I need help with lpd and lpr |
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| 13:49.10 | jpinx | enouf: I'm looking at that on a 2nd HDD off an old laptop with an adaptor to plug it into the 2nd IDE, but it doesn't appear to be "hot-swappable" |
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| 13:50.18 | dgodfather | please help me |
| 13:50.38 | dgodfather | i installed the alsa module with m-a |
| 13:50.59 | dgodfather | yet i don't get sound |
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| 13:51.22 | dgodfather | i am running kernel 2.6.18 with intel p35 ich9 chipset |
| 13:51.23 | trifler | dgodfather: Checked with alsamixer so that it ain't muted? |
| 13:51.26 | enouf | rgammans: well what's the rule? there are many ways to match criteria |
| 13:51.57 | avu | !tell dgodfather about alsa checklist |
| 13:52.05 | dgodfather | trifler: can't open alsamixer "function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" |
| 13:52.23 | enouf | jpinx: likely not, unless you find some hidden sata functionality and that the module + chipset actually supports it |
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| 13:53.00 | enouf | avu: he's been trying for days now .. sigh , back and forth .. etchnhalf kernel, now no |
| 13:53.13 | rgammans | enouf: Does it, matter - I was looking for a comment like '#' , REM , // etc. |
| 13:53.38 | avu | enouf, oh :( |
| 13:53.43 | enouf | rgammans: oh .. i see - erm, i think even a # comments - do /msg dpkg pinning |
| 13:54.21 | enouf | avu: well, .. you are trying - and they're still - so you never know, might be the right combo ;-) |
| 13:54.39 | dgodfather | avu: your suggestion is fine only i can't even start alsamixer |
| 13:54.46 | rgammans | enouf: # doesn't work aptitude complains. |
| 13:55.04 | avu | dgodfather, well, have you successfully completed the steps before starting alsamixer? |
| 13:55.06 | enouf | rgammans: hrm, i've used that before - i'm almost positive - .. but .. |
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| 13:55.41 | dgodfather | and throw alsa conf it gave me a message " Probing legacy ISA cards might make your system unstable" |
| 13:55.44 | enouf | rgammans: see, and this gets into what the rule is .. and i don't use aptitude - only apt |
| 13:55.44 | avu | dgodfather, (I don#t think so as you do not seem to have a working alsa driver running, otherwise alsamixer wouldn't error out like this) |
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| 13:56.16 | k-man_ | is there any way to allow usernames to be longer than 32 characters? |
| 13:56.17 | dgodfather | avu: of course not, i just sent the previous problem i encountered |
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| 13:56.28 | dgodfather | alsaconf also didn't work for me |
| 13:56.36 | enouf | i mean, you can't say "aptitiude complains" without all the details, including command + errors |
| 13:56.37 | rgammans | enouf: same from apt-get 'E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header' |
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| 13:56.50 | jpinx | tries plug-n-pray on an IDE slot |
| 13:56.53 | avu | dgodfather, have tried manually finding out the right driver to use? |
| 13:56.53 | enouf | so .. it's working |
| 13:56.58 | avu | !tell dgodfather about which driver |
| 13:57.35 | dgodfather | avu: snd-hda-intel is the right one because i that is what is used in kernel 2.6.25 for my card and it's working there |
| 13:57.48 | rgammans | enouf: trail and error suggests c-style /* ... */ works. |
| 13:57.52 | enouf | dgodfather: you shouldn't need to probe for ISA like that - that means it can't find your PCI card |
| 13:58.04 | enouf | IIRC |
| 13:58.17 | avu | dgodfather, and now you're trying an *older* kernel version? maybe your intel-hda model simply isn't supported by the older kernel? |
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| 13:58.53 | avu | dgodfather, intel-hda is not really a soundcard but a group of several soundcards with, at times, huge differences. so the driver knows about many 'models' |
| 13:59.03 | enouf | rgammans: haven't used preferences in a long time now |
| 13:59.09 | avu | dgodfather, it tries to automatically figure out the right model to use for your card |
| 13:59.11 | edistar | my dad has just deleted his /home dir.. what's the best way to recover? boot from grml (debian livecd), mount hdd as ro, and then? |
| 13:59.16 | maligor | specifying it as a soundcard is relatively questionable :P |
| 13:59.25 | maligor | it's a interface specification |
| 13:59.30 | avu | dgodfather, but on an older kernel, you might have to tell it explicitly or it might not wirk at all |
| 13:59.39 | avu | maligor, a pretty lax one at that, right |
| 14:00.02 | rgammans | enouf: fair I was asking on theoff chance someone might recall |
| 14:00.03 | maligor | yeah, the alsa tables of intel-hda hell |
| 14:00.31 | dgodfather | avu: how do i tell it explicitly? |
| 14:00.36 | ArtVandalae | edistar, is it ext3? |
| 14:00.40 | edistar | ArtVandalae: yes |
| 14:00.42 | avu | dgodfather, the stupid question that comes to mind is 'if it works with 6.25+, why not use 6.25+? :) |
| 14:00.54 | avu | dgodfather, you pass the model=foo option to the module when loading it |
| 14:01.01 | ArtVandalae | edistar, you're not going to have much luck recovering anything. Just because of the way ext3 is implemented |
| 14:01.24 | edistar | ArtVandalae: I shut the machine down directly once my dad told me.. no way? |
| 14:01.30 | enouf | rgammans: haha, no wonder i have a comment in mine saying "# Got errors about missing package header, WTF? \n # man apt_preferences says shit about any 'Header'" |
| 14:01.33 | dgodfather | because of other issues i encounter such as the nvidia driver is not suited for kernels other the 2.6.18 |
| 14:01.41 | ArtVandalae | edistar, I'm sure there's ways... but ext3 makes it very difficult. |
| 14:01.42 | edistar | ArtVandalae: about 190gb.. something must survive? |
| 14:02.11 | enouf | rgammans: but i got the whole file all commented out with '#' prefixes, and it doesn't seem to want to try and read it - oh well .. weird |
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| 14:02.27 | avu | dgodfather, isn't there nvidia-foo available via bpo just like the kernel? |
| 14:02.27 | ArtVandalae | edistar, I know coz I had the exact same problem once :( Deleted my uni work.. after googling like mad, I came to the conclusion that recovery with ext3 is difficult |
| 14:02.45 | edistar | ah, okey, thanks for the help anyway |
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| 14:03.04 | rgammans | enouf: I think the preferences parser is interesting.... |
| 14:03.11 | dgodfather | avu nop, i tried apt-cache search one, but nothing comes up |
| 14:03.25 | enouf | rgammans: or .. maybe it is working as expected - my entry is for mplayer from dmm over the official repos, and i do always get the dmm repos :-p |
| 14:03.47 | uzbek | hi everybody, somehow i managed to label my flash drive as cdrom and now i can't turn it back. how can i do that? thanx! |
| 14:03.56 | xand | ha, a bug in reportbug >.< |
| 14:04.13 | rgammans | enouf: You don't need pining for that as the basic version number is higher in the dmm repos than the main debain ones |
| 14:04.16 | xand | it dies if you resize the terminal window it's running in :) |
| 14:04.35 | dgodfather | avu: well thanks i will probably go to the newer kernel anyway |
| 14:04.39 | enouf | rgammans: well, it wasn't alwayas like that - that's a very recent phenom |
| 14:04.40 | dgodfather | it's now 2.6.26 |
| 14:04.46 | dgodfather | thanks man |
| 14:04.48 | dgodfather | good day |
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| 14:05.26 | uzbek | i could mount it like that: mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/sdb1 /media/flash |
| 14:05.29 | enouf | rgammans: as a matter of fact, many pkgs had/have entirely differing versions |
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| 14:05.51 | enouf | uzbek: you sure it's not a u3 ? |
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| 14:05.54 | enouf | !u3 |
| 14:05.54 | dpkg | well, u3 is a company producing a proprietary method of auto-launching applications from specially formatted USB flash drive. "U3 smart drives" differ from traditional USB flash drives because they come preinstalled with the U3 Launchpad, which looks similar to the Windows OS start menu and controls program installation. The method only works with recent Microsoft Windows systems.. These devices also appear as cdrom drives, and use a ISO FS in some part |
| 14:06.30 | uzbek | enouf, no it is an ordinary flash memory stick |
| 14:06.51 | uzbek | i remember i wanted to do bootable flash stick, but failed |
| 14:06.53 | enouf | uzbek: if udevinfo -q all -n /dev/sdb{1} says CDROM in it a lot, and/or iso9660, you're screwed |
| 14:07.14 | maligor | u3's don't work too well? |
| 14:07.16 | rgammans | enouf: well YMMV depending on repos etc,.. I normally just use pinning to make apt/aptitude whatever less keen on installing from unstable. |
| 14:07.20 | enouf | uzbek: well Label is based on FSType to change - but also see /dev/disk/by-label |
| 14:07.45 | enouf | uzbek: for ext2/3, one would use e2label |
| 14:07.57 | enouf | for vfat/dos/ntfs, mtools |
| 14:08.35 | uzbek | node name not found |
| 14:08.41 | enouf | maligor: i don't think they work at all - i could be wrong, but even if they work, you're locked into their format, missing space, etc etc |
| 14:09.02 | enouf | limitations of ISO9660 etc, ?? i don't know - go research it :-P |
| 14:09.09 | enouf | pieces of shit they are |
| 14:09.15 | maligor | iso9660 is a read only fs |
| 14:09.19 | maligor | so a slight limitation |
| 14:09.27 | zinx | maligor: u3's work fine if you don't use the encryption feature, afaik |
| 14:09.33 | enouf | right .. so, how does one use it |
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| 14:10.02 | enouf | uzbek: exact command was? |
| 14:10.14 | enouf | use sdb1 |
| 14:11.06 | uzbek | http://dpaste.com/77861/ enouf |
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| 14:11.33 | uzbek | enouf, yeah, it is cdrom :) |
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| 14:13.25 | enouf | uzbek: just because you have an isofs on it doesn't make it u3, i think it shows as CDROM in this "ID_TYPE=disk" but yours doesn't - you just named the device CDROM |
| 14:13.54 | uzbek | enouf, how to remake it as vfat? |
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| 14:14.03 | enouf | disk/by-label/CDROM |
| 14:14.09 | Flesje^^ | what is a "hole" when i try to do apt-get upgrade |
| 14:14.14 | enouf | uzbek: mkfs.vfat |
| 14:14.27 | enouf | Flesje^: mmap? |
| 14:14.36 | enouf | !mmap |
| 14:14.36 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
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| 14:14.45 | jpinx | I have had bad experience of mkfs.vfat - sometimes windows doesn't like it |
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| 14:15.03 | jpinx | better to reformat in windows and allow it to make mit |
| 14:15.04 | uzbek | enouf, i don't have that command, what should i install |
| 14:15.08 | enouf | you can pass the -F 32 also, use even mkdosfs |
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| 14:15.20 | enouf | dostools? |
| 14:15.24 | jpinx | *make it's own fs |
| 14:15.28 | enouf | dosfsutils? |
| 14:15.45 | enouf | !info dostools |
| 14:16.08 | enouf | dosfstools |
| 14:16.11 | enouf | it is |
| 14:16.18 | enouf | !info dosfstools |
| 14:16.20 | dpkg | dosfstools: (utilities for making and checking MS-DOS FAT filesystems), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 2.11-6 (sid), Packaged size: 75 kB, Installed size: 204 kB |
| 14:16.41 | enouf | dosfstools: /sbin/mkfs.vfat |
| 14:19.43 | JyZyXEL | is there a cool way to get a number 0-100 for CPU utilization? |
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| 14:20.46 | Saschaa | Hi |
| 14:20.58 | zinx | JyZyXEL: a "cool" way? |
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| 14:21.20 | JyZyXEL | ionno |
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| 14:21.31 | uzbek | enouf, thanx a lot!!! |
| 14:21.34 | enouf | libstatgrab JyZyXEL ? |
| 14:21.45 | enouf | uzbek: np |
| 14:21.55 | JyZyXEL | ok what app uses that? |
| 14:22.30 | emma | What are some of the reasons that you guys prefer Debian over some of the ther debian based distros? |
| 14:22.48 | enouf | http://www.i-scream.org/libstatgrab/ |
| 14:23.56 | FinnTux | enouf, that was easiet than I thought. just added line 'SUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTRS{vendor}=="IET ", ATTRS{model}=="VIRTUAL-DISK ", GROUP="<mygroup>"' to /etc/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules |
| 14:24.06 | FinnTux | easier* |
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| 14:24.40 | JyZyXEL | so whats the algoritm to get the percentege? |
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| 14:25.15 | enouf | FinnTux: indeed - well done ;-) |
| 14:25.36 | x1938- | Hello! the guys at #debian-offtopic don't seem to be alive |
| 14:25.47 | x1938- | i need to disable a win32 app. from killing itself after being executed using Syser |
| 14:25.53 | x1938- | any idea ? |
| 14:26.02 | x1938- | is this even possible ? if an application is programmed to kill itself after begging executed |
| 14:26.13 | x1938- | could you in some way not allow it to close?? |
| 14:26.52 | zinx | no |
| 14:26.55 | JyZyXEL | so? |
| 14:27.00 | zinx | also quite off-topic |
| 14:27.04 | JyZyXEL | the cpu utilization precentage alogirthm is? |
| 14:27.09 | x1938- | zinx it is |
| 14:27.14 | jelly-home | x1938-: ##windows |
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| 14:27.26 | x1938- | those guys at # windows don't know a thing about debugging win32 application :/ |
| 14:27.43 | jelly-home | !they don't know |
| 14:27.43 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 14:27.47 | JyZyXEL | we have cpu.idle, cpu.iowait, cpu.kernel, cpu.nice, cpu.swap, cpu.systime, cpu.total, cpu.user |
| 14:28.01 | JyZyXEL | how do we get precetage |
| 14:29.19 | x1938- | forgive me but i didn't ask you particularly dpkg , do basicly you don't have to answer . |
| 14:29.44 | Wyzard | x1938-: dpkg is a bot |
| 14:29.54 | simonrvn | x1938-: the answer is still valid |
| 14:30.03 | Wyzard | x1938-: giving you the standard response for wildly-offtopic questions |
| 14:30.17 | jelly-home | x1938-: this channel is not to be used for offtopic discussions |
| 14:30.20 | x1938- | let me put it this way then |
| 14:30.21 | Wyzard | JyZyXEL: "total" is the sum of all those others (except possibly iowait; I'm not sure about that) |
| 14:30.31 | JyZyXEL | its weird |
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| 14:30.33 | x1938- | if your running an application on debian |
| 14:30.37 | JyZyXEL | cause thats what i tought |
| 14:30.42 | JyZyXEL | cpu.systime = 1221315892 |
| 14:30.42 | JyZyXEL | cpu.total = 52965607 |
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| 14:30.53 | JyZyXEL | how the heck can total be less than systime |
| 14:30.56 | JyZyXEL | if its a sum |
| 14:30.56 | x1938- | and this application is programmed to kill itself after being executed , |
| 14:31.06 | x1938- | can you debug it in a way |
| 14:31.14 | x1938- | to not allow it to close ? |
| 14:31.33 | jelly-home | x1938-: to what purpose? |
| 14:31.50 | JyZyXEL | total-idle? |
| 14:32.00 | Wyzard | x1938-: "kill itself", or just finishing running? |
| 14:32.23 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: do you know how big a 32bit number is? |
| 14:32.30 | zinx | JyZyXEL: systime looks like the time |
| 14:32.34 | x1938- | its programmed to close |
| 14:32.46 | enouf | Wyzard: hi ho, sometime after you left last night i finally recalled that info about pae + nx + x86 i was thinking about - did you see my posts? if not, i can easily PM them if you don't mind |
| 14:32.49 | JyZyXEL | wols_ depends if its a signed or not |
| 14:32.56 | x1938- | it is capable to function if it doesn't close |
| 14:33.05 | JyZyXEL | oh wait |
| 14:33.09 | zinx | JyZyXEL: i.e., Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:24:52 +0000 for the value you listed |
| 14:33.12 | JyZyXEL | lol its 32bit |
| 14:33.19 | Wyzard | enouf: no, I didn't |
| 14:33.22 | JyZyXEL | what the heck |
| 14:34.02 | enouf | Wyzard: care for a pm? i'm just going to repaste what i wrote |
| 14:34.06 | Wyzard | x1938-: You can't force a program to not exit if its code says to exit |
| 14:34.09 | zinx | JyZyXEL: just take 100 * (total - idle) / total |
| 14:34.15 | Wyzard | enouf: sure, that's fine |
| 14:34.31 | zinx | JyZyXEL: or 100 * (total - idle - nice) / total |
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| 14:34.43 | zinx | (if you don't want to show nice'd processes that are eating CPU) |
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| 14:34.57 | zinx | JyZyXEL: well, since the last time interval |
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| 14:35.00 | waltercruz | Hi all! |
| 14:35.02 | x1938- | Wyzard : debugging wouldn't help ? i was told to disable breakpoint , that didn't change anythign |
| 14:35.17 | beia_ | i have problem after boot of grub, show this mesage: "Gave up waiting for root device: Commom Problems / Boot Args (cat /proc/cmdline) / Missing Modules cat /proc/modules; ls /dev - Alert /dev/sde7 does not exist. Dropping to a shell.. |
| 14:35.21 | waltercruz | I'm with a little trouble: my python 2.5 can't see the packges from pycentral. Can somebody help me? |
| 14:35.25 | beia_ | i install at net, Debian Lenny |
| 14:35.39 | JyZyXEL | i should just make this in C |
| 14:35.58 | JyZyXEL | awking the damn statgrab output will take alot more time |
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| 14:36.17 | azeem | beia_: are you sure it wrote "/dev/sde7"? |
| 14:36.18 | Wyzard | x1938-: disabling breakpoints implies that you had some breakpoints set already, but you haven't said anything about setting breakpoints |
| 14:36.29 | zinx | JyZyXEL: you will end up with something like 100 * ((total-lasttotal)-(idle-lastidle)) / (total-lasttotal) |
| 14:36.37 | JyZyXEL | i think libstatgrab has a function for that |
| 14:36.54 | beia_ | azeem: yes, swap is sde6, and sytem sde7 |
| 14:37.01 | beia_ | i reinstall any times |
| 14:37.23 | azeem | beia_: try to find the files on them on the grub prompt, maybe |
| 14:37.30 | azeem | via tab-completino |
| 14:37.34 | azeem | completion* |
| 14:37.39 | JyZyXEL | sg_get_cpu_percents(); |
| 14:38.00 | beia_ | azeem how this ? |
| 14:38.07 | beia_ | how command ? |
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| 14:38.31 | azeem | beia_: do you really have 5 harddisks? |
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| 14:39.11 | beia_ | azeem no, i have windows, and extend ntfs... |
| 14:39.20 | beia_ | 2 partions |
| 14:39.25 | waltercruz | Hi all :) |
| 14:39.28 | azeem | why is it sde then? |
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| 14:39.44 | waltercruz | I'm with a little trouble: my python 2.5 can't see the packges from pycentral. Can somebody help me? |
| 14:39.46 | beia_ | but, on install debian, |
| 14:39.58 | beia_ | partition normal... |
| 14:39.58 | azeem | waltercruz: what package? |
| 14:40.06 | waltercruz | psycopg2 |
| 14:40.27 | waltercruz | but, In fact, I can't see any package from python-central on my python2.5 azeem |
| 14:40.36 | waltercruz | azeem, debian etch |
| 14:40.49 | beia_ | azeem i dont speak english very well i from brazil.. help me! |
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| 14:41.47 | azeem | waltercruz: seems it's because it only provides packages for python2.4 |
| 14:41.54 | azeem | !br |
| 14:41.55 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:42.41 | beia_ | azeem: in this channel, anybody not help me ! |
| 14:42.47 | beia_ | see this channel! |
| 14:42.55 | waltercruz | but if the package supports python-central, it should't work with 2.4 and 2.5? |
| 14:42.56 | waltercruz | http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/python-psycopg2/filelist |
| 14:42.58 | azeem | I don't speak portuguese |
| 14:43.10 | zamuroff | !pt |
| 14:43.10 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 14:43.15 | azeem | waltercruz: not necessarily |
| 14:43.18 | waltercruz | azeem, I've seen. |
| 14:43.26 | waltercruz | .so just for 2.4 :( |
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| 14:43.53 | zamuroff | beia_: vc precisa do usar #debian-br |
| 14:43.56 | azeem | waltercruz: well, python-psycopg2 doen't have .so's AFAICT |
| 14:44.01 | azeem | zamuroff: please talk in english |
| 14:44.16 | waltercruz | in the file list there's a .so :) http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/python-psycopg2/filelist |
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| 14:44.21 | zamuroff | azeem: I'm just helping the guy... cut me some slack :P |
| 14:44.23 | waltercruz | /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/psycopg2/_psycopg.so |
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| 14:44.33 | azeem | oops |
| 14:44.47 | azeem | there you go |
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| 14:46.11 | zamuroff | If I download/burn a debian iso file, should I make some additional stuff in order to make it a local repo? |
| 14:46.13 | paolo | i have installed kubuntu 8 (kde4) on PC2 and an old kubuntu 7.10 on PC1. PC2 has not network access and i have to dpkg build-essential on it. How can i get, with PC1 the right debian packages for PC2 (including the dependencies) so to dpkg them on PC2 ? |
| 14:46.21 | paolo | (hi) |
| 14:46.40 | JyZyXEL | ps aux|awk 'NR > 0 { s +=$3 }; END {print s}' |
| 14:46.42 | JyZyXEL | haha fuck yea |
| 14:47.13 | jelly-home | paolo: you'll have to ask #ubuntu for help with that os |
| 14:47.48 | zamuroff | paolo: have you tried asking in #ubuntu? |
| 14:48.01 | jelly-home | paolo: the debian answer won't help you |
| 14:48.01 | zamuroff | jelly-home: LOL... got ahead of me on that one!! |
| 14:48.13 | jelly-home | yay. |
| 14:48.17 | paolo | it's not an ubuntu question. |
| 14:48.42 | zamuroff | paolo: it *is* an ubuntu question, since you said "i have installed ubuntu" |
| 14:48.49 | paolo | zamuroff: no |
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| 14:48.51 | paolo | read again |
| 14:48.58 | jelly-home | paolo: it is. If we told you to download the right package from packages.debian.org, it wouldn't be helpful |
| 14:49.36 | paolo | jelly-home: i insist, there has to be a flag or smthing in dpkg that tells me what i have to do, regardless of the distro |
| 14:49.43 | zamuroff | 10:12 < paolo:#debian> i have installed kubuntu 8 (kde4) on PC2 and an old kubuntu 7.10 on PC1. <-- My english ain't propper, I admit... But, I can read "I have installed UBUNTU" |
| 14:49.47 | hoxu | paolo, that's an ubuntu question... try #ubuntu - it's an ubuntu question |
| 14:50.28 | paolo | i don't think so. anyway, i'll ask to #ubuntu |
| 14:50.32 | jelly-home | paolo: I insist you ask them for The Ubuntu Way of downloading packages for another release |
| 14:50.44 | paolo | (dpkg is distro indipendent) |
| 14:50.55 | jelly-home | ... |
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| 14:51.06 | jelly-home | *plonk* |
| 14:51.10 | geek | paolo: not the right place but.. try using the CD... |
| 14:51.19 | hoxu | !comfort jelly-home |
| 14:51.19 | dpkg | There, there, jelly-home. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:51.23 | zamuroff | paolo: since when? |
| 14:51.24 | geek | lol |
| 14:51.28 | kalauz1 | Hi all, anyone knows if the Dell Precision 470 support 64bit version of linux http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/precn_470?c=uk&l=en&s=dfh |
| 14:51.37 | zamuroff | !barbie |
| 14:51.37 | dpkg | Reading the manual is HARD! Let's go shopping. |
| 14:51.40 | geek | o0 |
| 14:51.50 | zamuroff | !barbie dpkg |
| 14:52.27 | Run | Shit, all my terminal windows suddenly closed... :/ |
| 14:52.43 | jelly-home | !saturday |
| 14:52.44 | dpkg | i heard saturday is Tardsday Eve |
| 14:52.44 | Run | That's a serious bug somewhere, grrr. |
| 14:53.18 | geek | kalauz1: er.. look at tech specs. they all support EMT64 which is the intel 64 bit extentions.. so its probably yes |
| 14:53.55 | jarick | is slightly worried as it's just a wee bit over an hour before tardsday. |
| 14:54.17 | rgammans | depends on your TZ |
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| 14:54.52 | jelly-home | jarick: dunno, with all the Windows and Ubuntu questions, sure sounds like it's already there |
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| 14:55.23 | jarick | jelly-home: Hmm, how do I install gnome from the ports tree? |
| 14:55.37 | jelly-home | jarick: Use the force! |
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| 14:56.32 | jarick | jelly-home: bash: cd: /usr/ports: No such file or directory |
| 14:56.40 | geek | er... ports tree? |
| 14:56.42 | jarick | What do I have to do with apt to get that working? |
| 14:57.02 | jelly-home | jarick: answer hazy |
| 14:57.11 | geek | jelly-home: *chuckles* |
| 14:57.15 | jarick | shakes jelly-home again. |
| 14:57.24 | geek | real men compile from source? |
| 14:57.25 | jelly-home | wobbles |
| 14:57.54 | jelly-home | jelly-home: stop talking to yourself! |
| 14:57.58 | geek | o0 |
| 14:57.58 | rgammans | geek, if that where entirely true all the real-men would be using gentoo |
| 14:58.27 | geek | rgammans: hmm which really should mean less gentoo fans online, they'd be waiting for their kernels to compile ;p |
| 14:58.59 | rgammans | lol |
| 15:00.10 | kalauz1 | geek: thanks, I m asking this because I dont know if this workstation's supported cpu are only 64 bit capable or not; I m plannign to buy a similar item on ebay and I need 64 bit support for running technical software |
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| 15:00.22 | jelly-home | !seen Buttercup |
| 15:00.23 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'buttercup', jelly-home |
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| 15:00.38 | jarick | rgammans: No, real men compile stuff in their heads. and toggle in the instructions on the front panel. |
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| 15:00.50 | jarick | You don't have a operator console? You're not a real man. |
| 15:00.50 | rgammans | jarick: that |
| 15:00.54 | rgammans | jarick: bah |
| 15:01.13 | jarick | ? |
| 15:01.23 | rgammans | finger trouble |
| 15:01.47 | rgammans | jarick: real-man solder the diode prom on complex lattices themselves. |
| 15:01.55 | jelly-home | !M-x butterly |
| 15:01.57 | jelly-home | !M-x butterfly |
| 15:01.58 | dpkg | from memory, butterfly is http://xkcd.com/378/ |
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| 15:02.09 | giwe | say that I don't have much space in my HD for a single shot aptitude dist-update to download the debs. Is there an automated incremental way of upgrading that calls aptitude clean? |
| 15:02.09 | rgammans | jarick: .. while taking a break from lacing there core memory |
| 15:02.38 | giwe | aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 15:02.55 | jarick | rgammans: I now understand your finger troubles. |
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| 15:03.13 | Cheery | huh, I've lost my sound |
| 15:03.54 | humbolt | my nautilus is very very slow |
| 15:04.01 | humbolt | what could be the reason? |
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| 15:04.07 | humbolt | konqueror is much much faster |
| 15:04.21 | humbolt | even windows explorer in vmware is faster |
| 15:04.36 | humbolt | might my mountflags have something to do with it? |
| 15:04.39 | humbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.49 | geek | kalauz1: all the CPUs listed are EMT64 compatable |
| 15:05.11 | jelly-home | rgammans: real men use LHC and set new universe parameters so that intelligent life evolves and creates computers that solve the problem |
| 15:05.34 | Cheery | my audio worked a while ago, where to start troubleshooting? |
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| 15:05.49 | jarick | jelly-home: Mortals have lisp for that. |
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| 15:06.46 | jarick | Cheery: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 15:06.50 | jarick | Stand back. |
| 15:06.58 | jelly-home | !speaker-test |
| 15:06.59 | dpkg | from memory, speaker-test is do; "speaker-test -tsine -f440 -c2" to test if speakers are working in alsa (install alsa-utils), ask me about <alsa checklist> and <soundcheck> |
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| 15:07.14 | NickR78 | Does Debian Testing [currently and after lenny releases] get sufficient security focus (Hardy-Hell is unstable on my laptop) |
| 15:07.24 | NickR78 | ? |
| 15:07.27 | Cheery | jelly-home: I hear nothing |
| 15:07.34 | jarick | Cheery: alsa-mixer. |
| 15:07.38 | jarick | Is anything muted? |
| 15:07.58 | Cheery | doesn't look like it |
| 15:08.23 | jelly-home | Cheery: well then, start with "/msg dpkg souncheck" and "/msg dpkg alsa checklist" |
| 15:08.46 | jelly-home | /msg dpkg soundcheck |
| 15:09.21 | Cheery | bluebox:/home/cheery# cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 15:09.21 | Cheery | cat: write error: No space left on device |
| 15:09.37 | jarick | Uh oh. |
| 15:09.39 | jelly-home | Cheery: heh. ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 15:09.53 | Cheery | bluebox:/home/cheery# ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 15:09.53 | Cheery | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10379264 2008-09-13 18:21 /dev/dsp |
| 15:09.54 | jelly-home | Cheery: delete that file. :-) |
| 15:10.07 | Cheery | ok, then? |
| 15:10.07 | jarick | Oops. |
| 15:10.12 | jelly-home | that factoid needs an update |
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| 15:10.45 | jarick | clearly need to go to sleep and stop inhaling flux fumes. |
| 15:11.12 | jelly-home | Cheery: alsa checklist I guess |
| 15:11.56 | cahoot | Cheery: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 15:14.03 | Cheery | cahoot: there's not snd directory in dev |
| 15:14.21 | cahoot | Cheery: no wonder you have no sound |
| 15:14.40 | cahoot | Cheery: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 15:15.16 | Cheery | bluebox:/home/cheery# cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 15:15.16 | Cheery | cat: /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory |
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| 15:15.46 | cahoot | Cheery: and still you say you run alsamixer? alsa doesn't seem to be loaded |
| 15:16.05 | Cheery | it worked a while ago |
| 15:16.13 | Cheery | perhaps I should try restart my system |
| 15:16.25 | cahoot | Cheery: try alsa restart |
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| 15:16.53 | Kovensky | hi |
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| 15:17.28 | waltercruz | azeem, I will build a package of psycopg with python2.5 support. |
| 15:17.31 | Kovensky | I'm having problems with cdrom support in gnome; neither nautilus nor brasero can eject media |
| 15:17.40 | waltercruz | thank you for your support azeem |
| 15:17.44 | Kovensky | they all fail to eject, but typing 'eject' on the console works |
| 15:17.55 | Kovensky | this causes brasero to fail on every copy operation |
| 15:18.30 | Kovensky | any ideas? |
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| 15:18.30 | Cheery | cheery@bluebox:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/alsa reload |
| 15:18.30 | Cheery | Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: (none loaded). |
| 15:18.30 | Cheery | Loading ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload). |
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| 15:18.30 | Cheery | did not found alsa restart |
| 15:18.42 | Kovensky | Cheery: alsa restart = alsa stop && alsa start |
| 15:18.44 | cahoot | Cheery: what soundcard? |
| 15:19.15 | Cheery | cahoot: it's integrated to the mobo |
| 15:19.30 | cahoot | Cheery: what alsa module then? |
| 15:19.41 | Cheery | how do I find that out? |
| 15:20.42 | Cheery | I think I try system restart now |
| 15:21.17 | cahoot | Cheery: lspci should tell you what sounddevice |
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| 15:22.47 | chewed-on | Hehehe. |
| 15:22.49 | chewed-on | Hey guys. |
| 15:23.00 | chewed-on | You know what's a killer Debian wall paper ? :P |
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| 15:23.06 | chewed-on | http://www.starcraft2.com/features/zerg/ |
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| 15:24.06 | chewed-on | Anybody noticed the Zerg's symbol ? :P It's Debian funked up ! :D |
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| 15:25.46 | Run | chewed-on: Does that run on debian? |
| 15:25.53 | chewed-on | Run: I'm not sure. |
| 15:25.58 | chewed-on | Maybe through WINE. |
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| 15:26.17 | chewed-on | Run: haha, cool symbol eh ? :) |
| 15:26.46 | tkoski | Where can i see the symbol? |
| 15:26.54 | chewed-on | http://www.starcraft2.com/features/zerg/ |
| 15:27.02 | smacnay | hmm, I wish conduit wasn't as buggy in testing right now. |
| 15:27.09 | chewed-on | (It's under the "Zerg" heading). |
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| 15:27.30 | Cheery | ok, now alsamixer works again |
| 15:27.50 | Cheery | fuser -v was the command right? |
| 15:28.29 | chewed-on | tkoski: can you see it ? :D |
| 15:29.22 | Cheery | hmm still does not work |
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| 15:30.08 | cahoot | Cheery: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 15:30.38 | Cheery | cheery@bluebox:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 15:30.38 | Cheery | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.38 | Cheery | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.38 | Cheery | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.38 | Cheery | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:31.04 | Cheery | oh, it is that sensitive |
| 15:31.05 | Kovensky | Cheery: the module for that soundcard is intel8x0 |
| 15:31.14 | Kovensky | IIRC |
| 15:31.20 | cahoot | Cheery: obviously loaded |
| 15:31.24 | Kovensky | SiS 7012 is an implementation of AC97 |
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| 15:31.36 | DimmuR | i'm trying to install nvidia on debian lenny in debian way - i followed dpkg hints ayout ssb and tried to install surces of nvidia-kernel-source but after successfull build i can't install nvidia-glx (and nvidia-glx-dev) because of dependency with nvidia-kernel-173.14.09) but i can't find nvidia-kernel package in sources :( any hints how can i solve this? |
| 15:31.53 | cahoot | Cheery: try speaker-test |
| 15:31.57 | Cheery | Kovensky: seems like I have snd-intel8x0 |
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| 15:31.59 | rahsputin | Hello! What does this ISO do or mean: debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 15:32.15 | stew | rahsputin: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
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| 15:32.37 | cahoot | Cheery: since /proc/asound exists your sound module is loaded whatever its name |
| 15:33.04 | Cheery | cahoot: speaker-test keeps it silent |
| 15:33.07 | Cheery | hm.. |
| 15:33.08 | Kovensky | oh, I'd like to report that auto video card detection on lenny is working wonders :) |
| 15:33.12 | Cheery | I think I check my wires |
| 15:33.16 | zzz | Hello, I have sent a bug report to submit@bugs.debian.org but forgot to put the "Package: " pseudo-header. Does anyone know where that message would go? |
| 15:33.19 | Agiofws | http://rafb.net/p/16JQwn44.html |
| 15:33.21 | Kovensky | I installed it on a key, and without any configuration I could boot it on a pc with nvidia and on one with sis |
| 15:33.28 | Kovensky | I just need to test on my other one with via gfx |
| 15:33.34 | cahoot | Cheery: alsa-utils reset 0 might be worth a try too |
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| 15:34.41 | Cheery | wires are on, except something threw jolt when I turned the comp |
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| 15:36.29 | tkoski | chewed-on: yes, i saw it :D |
| 15:36.33 | Cheery | bluebox:/home/cheery# /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 15:36.33 | Cheery | Resetting ALSA card 0...done. |
| 15:36.42 | chewed-on | :) |
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| 15:36.57 | Cheery | hmm. now it works |
| 15:37.16 | Cheery | I guess something had hanged it |
| 15:37.38 | Cheery | I keep the alsa-utils reset -tool in mind from now on, thanks. |
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| 15:37.50 | Cheery | but came up in my mind |
| 15:37.52 | CalJohn | Debian doesn't seem to work with my ps2 keyboard, but other distributions do. It recognised my usb keyboard fine though. Any idea what is wrong? |
| 15:37.54 | giovine | I have a problem with my sound card ( Intel ICH8 family) . When I insert the headphone I can listen the sound both the headhphone but also the speakers. How can I fix the problem? |
| 15:38.02 | lhz | man pages for libc on x86-64 ? |
| 15:38.06 | cahoot | Cheery: should be run automagically at boot |
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| 15:38.22 | DimmuR | iii found solution on nvidia_lenny_1 and nvidia_lenny_2 |
| 15:38.29 | Cheery | is there a way to let alsa serve multiple audio apps at once? |
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| 15:38.49 | cahoot | Cheery: alsa provides that by default |
| 15:38.58 | wols_ | cahoot: *ahem* |
| 15:39.07 | cahoot | wols ? |
| 15:39.08 | Cheery | but it seems like I can't run vlc if flash has audio |
| 15:39.11 | wols_ | lhz: manpages-dev and glibc-doc |
| 15:39.23 | wols_ | Cheery: I doubt flash uses alsa |
| 15:39.30 | Cheery | wtf |
| 15:39.48 | wols_ | flash uses /dev/dsp |
| 15:39.53 | Cheery | huh |
| 15:40.02 | Cheery | this is confusing in whoe |
| 15:40.18 | lhz | wols_: thanks! |
| 15:40.25 | Cheery | I don't have /dev/dsp in my system and flash still plays |
| 15:40.34 | slept | i need some help with my rtl8139 nic, i cant get it out of MII half-duplex mode, and this sucks very bad |
| 15:40.36 | cahoot | Cheery: alsa provides that by default - the different sund apps might not be alsa aware though |
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| 15:41.24 | Cheery | s/different/most/ |
| 15:41.24 | ivan_ | hi all |
| 15:41.25 | salnet | hello |
| 15:41.42 | cahoot | Cheery: most old |
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| 15:42.13 | Cheery | what alsa is actually and what does it do? |
| 15:42.19 | Cheery | and what were before it? |
| 15:42.43 | Kovensky | Cheery: flash uses oss |
| 15:42.50 | Kovensky | Cheery: oss was there before alsa |
| 15:42.57 | Kovensky | Cheery: alsa came to solve oss' problems |
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| 15:43.11 | Kovensky | that way back, even before 2002, when I got started in linux =p |
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| 15:44.08 | Kovensky | cahoot: every sound app work simultaneously with alsa unless they use oss; every other sound system is alsa compatible |
| 15:44.11 | Kovensky | AFAIK |
| 15:44.16 | cahoot | Cheery: fwiw I can play youtube videos with sound and mplayer with sound simultaneously |
| 15:44.37 | Maxt3r | just a qucik one, in irssi, how do i jump, i mean reconnet a chan |
| 15:44.37 | cahoot | or rather my laptop can |
| 15:44.43 | Kovensky | cahoot: libflashsupport makes flash use alsa |
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| 15:45.14 | liable | ooh, wallabies versus allblacks |
| 15:45.17 | Kovensky | Maxt3r: /cycle |
| 15:45.21 | Cheery | what for you need alsa for playing audio? why can't you just put up a driver for your sound card, then go on? |
| 15:45.44 | Kovensky | Cheery: alsa is the architecture where the sound driver is build upon |
| 15:45.45 | Maxt3r | Kovensky: thx |
| 15:45.52 | Kovensky | and stuff just work without alsa because of the oss emulation |
| 15:46.03 | Kovensky | thus, even when you use oss, you're using alsa |
| 15:46.10 | cahoot | (which is provided by alsa) |
| 15:46.12 | Kovensky | but when in oss emulation, alsa can't do mixing |
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| 15:46.28 | Cheery | Kovensky: so linux kernel lacked sound stuff, and alsa is the added stuff? |
| 15:46.39 | Kovensky | Cheery: alsa IS part of the kernel |
| 15:46.52 | jelly-home | <Kovensky> Cheery: flash uses oss # not any more! |
| 15:46.59 | Kovensky | jelly-home: on the 10 betas, no |
| 15:47.00 | rgammans | cheery: alsa is a 2nd generation of linux sound card drivers. The 1st gen was oss |
| 15:47.03 | Kovensky | jelly-home: but on version 9, it does |
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| 15:47.15 | jelly-home | Kovensky: not for me |
| 15:47.22 | Kovensky | jelly-home: then you use libflashsupport |
| 15:47.31 | Kovensky | it makes flash use alsa, but is hackish |
| 15:47.34 | jelly-home | Kovensky: not that I know of |
| 15:47.42 | Kovensky | then I don't know :/ |
| 15:47.59 | Cheery | I think I understand it good enough now |
| 15:48.04 | jelly-home | 7 had oss only, but 9 can use both I think |
| 15:48.18 | Kovensky | and 10 can do pulse |
| 15:48.21 | Cheery | what did alsa fix from oss? |
| 15:48.32 | Kovensky | Cheery: oss had not software mixer, for example |
| 15:48.53 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.58 | Kovensky | Cheery: you could only play multiple sounds if you had one of those expensive cards that included hardware mixing |
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| 15:50.49 | Cheery | hmm.. how do I play audio through alsa? |
| 15:50.51 | jelly-home | Kovensky: I gots youtube and a mp3 player at the same time without issues (apart from a headache) |
| 15:51.08 | Cheery | I mean, is there some lib for it, or how does it happen? |
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| 15:51.20 | cahoot | Cheery: tell your apps to output to alsa |
| 15:52.24 | Cheery | oh well, I google answer to that question |
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| 15:53.20 | Kovensky | jelly-home: hmm |
| 15:53.24 | Kovensky | jelly-home: I don't even have flash :P |
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| 15:53.51 | jelly-home | Kovensky: how do you know how it works, then? |
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| 15:56.47 | ivan_ | i'm using debian testing, i want to try Xnest with command: Xnest :6 -query localhost , but not work. That is my screen shot xnest: http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xnestsw8.png |
| 15:57.43 | x_madbot | hi ppl, someone with synaptics broken in lenny/sid ? |
| 15:58.12 | ivan_ | anyone, tell me pls |
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| 15:59.38 | ivan_ | !dpkg Xnest |
| 15:59.39 | dpkg | xnest is, like, an X server that runs in a window on another X server. It's great for testing. |
| 15:59.59 | cahoot | isn't it replaced by xephyr? |
| 16:00.10 | x_madbot | hey ivan_ what do you want to do? |
| 16:00.10 | doublehp | gkrellm says someone is trying to connect on port 22 (and i get IP); i dont see any thing in any log (messages, syslog, sshd ... ). How can i track deeper what this child is trying on me ? |
| 16:01.06 | ivan_ | x_madbot: i want to try xnest |
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| 16:01.36 | ivan_ | x_madbot: this is result: http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xnestsw8.png |
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| 16:03.04 | ilaiho | Is the preseed installation ready for production use? |
| 16:03.31 | ilaiho | or is it a some kind of experimental feature? |
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| 16:04.57 | cjay | Hi. How can IÂ get a list of all explicitly installed packages (without the dependencies)? |
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| 16:05.45 | ilaiho | I have serious problems with it |
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| 16:06.21 | CalJohn | My ps2 keyboard does not work with debian, can anyone help? |
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| 16:07.49 | CalJohn | i'm not sure that data is recorded, cjay |
| 16:07.52 | ilaiho | CalJohn: Have you tried another keyboard? |
| 16:08.17 | ilaiho | sounds very strange |
| 16:08.22 | CalJohn | ilaiho: yes. only usb keyboards work. ps2 keyboards work fine on other distributions and, in fact, other kernel builds |
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| 16:08.41 | CalJohn | but i don't _really_ want to compile my own kernel |
| 16:08.46 | marcelo_ | ivan_: |
| 16:08.53 | cjay | CalJohn: I think it is, because apt-get suggests to remove no longer needed dependencies - it needs to know what was explicitly installed. |
| 16:08.59 | marcelo_ | ivan_: try -> gdmflexiserver -n 1 |
| 16:09.55 | ivan_ | marcelo_: thank a lot, work well |
| 16:10.07 | marcelo_ | ;) |
| 16:10.14 | ivan_ | marcelo_: tell me why pls? :D |
| 16:10.45 | esaym | Linux sets the time on the motherboard to utc right? How do I change that to local? |
| 16:10.58 | ilaiho | CalJohn: Have you tried etchnhalf kernel? |
| 16:11.20 | CalJohn | !dpkg etchnhalf |
| 16:11.20 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf, or <etchnhalf facts> |
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| 16:11.37 | CalJohn | no, because I am using lenny |
| 16:11.54 | CalJohn | "2.6.26-1-486" |
| 16:12.04 | ilaiho | looks bad |
| 16:12.15 | CalJohn | does it? |
| 16:12.34 | ilaiho | I am not sure if there is any feasible option to fix it |
| 16:12.46 | ilaiho | I would recommend using usb keyboard |
| 16:13.26 | CalJohn | the nearby shop doesn't sell any :( |
| 16:13.40 | CalJohn | i suppose i will have to fix this by recompiling the kernel |
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| 16:14.06 | CalJohn | i would like to find out what is causing this problem, because it only affects debian-style distributions |
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| 16:14.20 | CalJohn | ubuntu and grml are also affected |
| 16:14.44 | x_madbot | hello, my touchpad is broken in lenny/sid, any guess? |
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| 16:18.25 | ilaiho | there is tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard, desktop # Valitaan asennettavat paketit |
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| 16:18.52 | ilaiho | in the file, but it does not install the desktop |
| 16:19.44 | Martiini | is it possible to network boot sis730 motherboard pc .. when grub does not load and cd-rom does not work either |
| 16:19.46 | ilaiho | is some other distro more suitable for automated deployment |
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| 16:21.16 | wols_ | Martiini: it depends on the hardware |
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| 16:22.24 | wols_ | !tell esaym about utc |
| 16:22.32 | wols_ | esaym: depends what you told it to on install |
| 16:22.51 | esaym | ty |
| 16:23.10 | Martiini | how do I find out whether my specific mobo sis730 .. is supported by network boot .. I have chosen network boot as boot option and it expects some kind of input |
| 16:23.34 | wols_ | obviously it does. do you have a tftp or bootp server on your LAN? |
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| 16:24.10 | Martiini | can I create one? Im on home network .. 3 pc-s connected to wrt54gl |
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| 16:24.19 | wols_ | of course you can |
| 16:24.25 | doublehp | Martiini: yes |
| 16:24.27 | wols_ | and if you want to network boot you have to |
| 16:24.34 | Martiini | ok .. please can u give me nice link for a howto |
| 16:24.45 | wols_ | no. ask google |
| 16:24.46 | Martiini | there is too muuch to read on google |
| 16:24.53 | Martiini | its confusing |
| 16:25.04 | wols_ | then I guess you start reading. means you are finished earlier |
| 16:25.06 | doublehp | Martiini: if you dont want to read, you dont want to learn |
| 16:25.30 | doublehp | Martiini: start setting up a DHCP, using latest version; then, see how to add support for netboot to it. |
| 16:25.34 | Martiini | alright .. here we go again on debian channel .. do you guys suppose people read everthing on google |
| 16:25.46 | wols_ | yes we do and we EXPECT it |
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| 16:25.57 | doublehp | Martiini: no; but, i dont care about those who dont. |
| 16:26.02 | Martiini | you have no time to look for a specific howto for me .. so you just tell people to google |
| 16:26.03 | wols_ | !tell Martiini about ig |
| 16:26.19 | p1ngp0ng | i cant read :\ |
| 16:26.23 | abchirk | !tell abchirk about ig |
| 16:26.29 | wols_ | Martiini: if you don't want to help yourself and work on your problems, PAY a consultant |
| 16:26.36 | abchirk | oh |
| 16:26.44 | Martiini | haha .. nice one wols_ |
| 16:26.45 | wols_ | p1ngp0ng: then use your TTS as you do right now |
| 16:26.56 | ilaiho | Martiini: You would probably find the guide very easily |
| 16:26.58 | doublehp | consultant ? i d have say ... "service provider" :) |
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| 16:27.11 | p1ngp0ng | wols_: i was just joking man |
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| 16:27.53 | p1ngp0ng | i find google.com/linux usefull |
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| 16:28.22 | Martiini | ok .. is http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22network+boot%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= relevant search |
| 16:28.31 | wols_ | Martiini: did you read the factoid dpkg gave you? that has a howto |
| 16:28.35 | doublehp | Martiini: when we say an answer is in Google, it is in. There are case when we dont say so, because the answer is not in google, or, there is a better answer somewhere else. But, for netboot, Google is perfect and enough. |
| 16:28.39 | wols_ | chapter 4.6 of the install guide |
| 16:28.40 | Martiini | for getting done with network boot |
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| 16:29.20 | doublehp | Martiini: try "netboot tutorial" or "tftp boot dhcp" |
| 16:29.23 | wols_ | Martiini: your search is way too generic. but this is no "how do I use google" help channel |
| 16:29.31 | wols_ | Martiini: read the damn debian install guide! |
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| 16:30.26 | Martiini | doublehp: u sound like u work for google |
| 16:30.41 | doublehp | sounds wrong |
| 16:30.52 | wols_ | !u |
| 16:30.52 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:31.19 | doublehp | if i had, i d not have meant there are sometimes better sources of info ... |
| 16:32.02 | doublehp | gkrellm says someone is trying to connect on port 22 (and i get IP); i dont see any thing in any log (messages, syslog, sshd ... ). How can i track deeper what this child is trying on me ? |
| 16:33.02 | p1ngp0ng | what if its not a child? :P |
| 16:33.09 | wols_ | doublehp: set up a log with iptables |
| 16:33.10 | jelly-home | doublehp: /var/log/auth.log? |
| 16:33.17 | p1ngp0ng | it might be a pissed off granny |
| 16:33.24 | ilaiho | Martini: Google "Debian pxe install howto" |
| 16:33.31 | Martiini | ok |
| 16:33.32 | jelly-home | doublehp: debian has no "sshd" log by default |
| 16:33.55 | wols_ | doublehp: 200.68.44.228 |
| 16:33.56 | wols_ | ? |
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| 16:34.28 | p1ngp0ng | Martiini: if you are having trouble reading stuff. like i have. the best thing you can do, is to set your enviorment right. that makes it a bit easier. |
| 16:34.31 | slept | could someone owning a rtl8139c nic post the output of rtl8139diag -aem for me ? I can't get the card to full duplex with ethtool so maybe it is possibel to write to the eprom to change some values - I think the card is in some powersaving mode (as mentioned in the bsd driver (which works fine) ) and I need it to go back to fd since there are so many package collisions that the connection speed is less than 150kb/s . On google I only |
| 16:34.31 | slept | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.37 | doublehp | wols_: no, some gaoland.net guy ... |
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| 16:35.01 | wols_ | just checked _my_ auth.log and this guy tried today |
| 16:35.36 | Xttor | Damn, i just lost the game :( |
| 16:35.50 | p1ngp0ng | you can use a script that blocks ssh brute force cant you? |
| 16:36.08 | wols_ | yes, fail2ban |
| 16:36.19 | wols_ | it has a factoid too I think |
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| 16:36.34 | doublehp | wols_: i get scanned several times a day; i auto-block after filtering syslog; problem is that this gaoland one can not be seen in any log |
| 16:36.49 | doublehp | and i at least want to know what he is doing on my sshd ... |
| 16:37.12 | ilaiho | now it appears to install correctly |
| 16:37.27 | wols_ | ´my guess is he tries to check for the debian ssl vulnerability |
| 16:37.29 | ilaiho | when I removed the commend from end of the line |
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| 16:38.00 | cjay | Is there a way to get a list of all explicitly installed packages (without the dependencies)? |
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| 16:40.27 | doublehp | cjay: 3 years ago, the answer was negative; not in apt/dpkg. There can be a positive answer when using a wrapper, like aptitude IIRC, or dselect ... but, maybe modern dpkg changed ... |
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| 16:43.35 | keith80403 | Anyone know what the keystroke is in Konqueror to return the font to normal, if you've used Ctrl- to shrink or Ctrl+ to enlarge it? Other browsers use Ctrl-0 (zero.) |
| 16:44.27 | ilaiho | now everything works except the multimedia repository |
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| 16:49.09 | cjay | doublehp: do you know how and where the relevant information is stored? I looked through /var/lib/dpkg but can't find it. It must be somewhere, because apt sometimes suggests to remove unneeded dependencies. |
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| 16:49.37 | cjay | apt couldn't do that without knowing what was installed explicitly |
| 16:49.44 | doublehp | cjay: no |
| 16:50.05 | cjay | ok thanks anyway |
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| 16:50.09 | doublehp | maybe in the list of installed things, there a flag for that ... |
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| 16:50.30 | doublehp | there are 3 such lists |
| 16:50.56 | doublehp | one contains only names of packages, 2 other ones contain "details" (date, compleet versino, source repo ... ) |
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| 16:56.37 | jaalto | Does someone know about "modprobe -v <module>" and error message "Invalid module format". See http://sial.org/pbot/32144 |
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| 16:57.36 | doublehp | jaalto: module not compiled for actual kernel ? |
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| 16:59.03 | jaalto | doublehp: See ttp://sial.org/pbot/32144, the *.ko vermagic announces "2.6.26 SMP mod_unload modversions" and uname is 2.6.26-1-amd64, so I'm not sure what it still needs |
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| 16:59.25 | doublehp | wols_: i think i am just gonna IPTABLES/Block the whole gaoland.net range: using repetitive "host $IP" i found about 77.192.1.1 - 77.207.254.254 :) |
| 17:01.08 | doublehp | jaalto: most AMD64 are SMP nowdays (not all). having SMP flag in AMD64 makes sens; cant harm anyway. i dont know. |
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| 17:02.14 | jaalto | doublehp: That's what puzzles me. I can't see or understand what version mismatch is happening here. |
| 17:02.36 | doublehp | was it compiled with the same gcc version ? |
| 17:02.45 | doublehp | probs can happen if not |
| 17:02.58 | jaalto | doublehp: in this case no. The Kernel is gcc 4.1, and I compiled with 4.3 |
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| 17:03.10 | doublehp | can be ... |
| 17:03.10 | neiljp | I'm having a very annoying problem with oo.o on amd64 - I've used it for a long time and have various documents, but just recently it freezes whenever it loads a document :( Anyone any ideas? I've deleted .openoffice*, removed (purged) and reinstalled - still no joy :( |
| 17:03.57 | doublehp | jaalto: diff gcc version can explain why a module may not work; as you do modprobe, you try to load it. Can be. Or not ... |
| 17:04.19 | jaalto | doublehp: I'll try if witching to gcc-4.1 helps. |
| 17:04.26 | doublehp | neiljp: never remove anything: move things to archive directories |
| 17:04.52 | neiljp | doublehp: well, strictly speaking that's what I did with .openo* |
| 17:05.03 | neiljp | doublehp: but its easier to say that ;) |
| 17:05.18 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.20 | doublehp | neiljp: in practice, some settings used to be stored out of .oo dir ... OOo1 used to use some old SOffice syntax dir. But since OOo2, this should not be the case anymore IIRC |
| 17:06.46 | Cheery | I guess fceu is exactly something that still uses oss? |
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| 17:09.30 | dimedo | is there some way to let a folder inherit subfolders of another folder? i want to build a default folder for ftp users but add an upload folder for everyone personally |
| 17:10.08 | dimedo | apart from simply linking every item from the default folder to the users folders |
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| 17:12.27 | wald0 | how much bugs are remaining for the release ? |
| 17:14.04 | neiljp | doublehp: have created a new file, saved it - then loading it causes it to freeze (after the blue squares appear at the bottom) |
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| 17:14.59 | doublehp | neiljp: report to some BTS ... debian's or OOo |
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| 17:15.16 | doublehp | neiljp: then, try installing a different version |
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| 17:17.59 | neiljp | doublehp: 2.0 and 2.3 don't... difficult to get others for amd64 I think (without a 32-bit chroot at least) |
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| 17:22.36 | soulchild | Hi, why does the new xserver not auto load my wacom tablet,... also if I replace Driver mouse by wacom, the module is not beeing loaded, (debian Lenny) any ideas =? |
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| 17:23.21 | soulchild | even though the tablet is working, but I think gimp needs the device, because it does not regognize it |
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| 17:26.29 | ilaiho | When my preseeded Debian Installer tries to download the key from a http server, it says that it is "not allowed to fetch this type of file" in syslog |
| 17:26.40 | ilaiho | wget |
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| 17:36.18 | n3kl | How can I extensively test a disk to see if its bad? |
| 17:36.29 | peppe | n3kl: badblocks, smartctl |
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| 17:36.33 | BassStyle_ | BandenSuche!!! |
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| 17:36.42 | peppe | O_o |
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| 17:38.11 | n3kl | My system keeps locking up randomly for no apparant reason and I am trying to find out why |
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| 17:39.50 | Cheery | wow, tuxnes sucks |
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| 17:41.47 | jaalto | Does gcc leave any trace to the *.o file to determine later which GCC version was used to compile it? |
| 17:42.00 | User61 | hi guys! i'm a newbie so i pray that you'll go easy on me =). i did a apt-get install gcc |
| 17:42.09 | User61 | but ./configure still doesn't work |
| 17:42.15 | pippijn | jaalto: yes |
| 17:42.18 | User61 | it says g++, c++, gpp+ etc. == no |
| 17:42.32 | pippijn | User61: you have to install build-essential |
| 17:42.54 | User61 | apt-get install build-essential ? |
| 17:42.54 | jaalto | pippijn: How do Ixtract the info? nm -PAg *.o didn't show anything obvious. |
| 17:43.31 | pippijn | hm |
| 17:43.35 | pippijn | maybe I'm wrong.. |
| 17:43.49 | pippijn | looks like I am |
| 17:44.01 | pippijn | I thought it did |
| 17:44.06 | jaalto | pippijn: strings *.o neither |
| 17:44.07 | pippijn | gcc does emit its version into the asm |
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| 17:44.18 | pippijn | but gas seems to ignore it |
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| 17:44.48 | pippijn | ah no |
| 17:44.50 | pippijn | it's there |
| 17:44.57 | pippijn | jaalto: GCC: (GNU) 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21) |
| 17:45.01 | DynV | is there a way to set the trash maximum size ? |
| 17:45.03 | jaalto | pippijn: The reason I ask, is that I have *.ko module and get modprobe message "Invalid module format" |
| 17:45.12 | pippijn | jaalto: strings doesn't find it, but less does |
| 17:45.21 | jaalto | pippijn: what command did you use on *.o? |
| 17:45.23 | pippijn | jaalto: or vim |
| 17:45.27 | pippijn | jaalto: I edited it with vim |
| 17:46.12 | pippijn | jaalto: it's even there with stripped binaries |
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| 17:46.47 | jaalto | pippijn: Ah, I think you mean the linked binary. I'm trying to look at *.o (more specifically *.ko). |
| 17:47.01 | pippijn | jaalto: I do not mean linked binaries |
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| 17:47.18 | pippijn | but .ko are linked binaries, just linked in a different way |
| 17:47.27 | pippijn | you can edit the .o with vim and see the version |
| 17:47.38 | pippijn | or you can edit the linked binary and see the version of each .o |
| 17:47.43 | pippijn | they are all listed |
| 17:47.52 | pippijn | I don't know how to get it without vim |
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| 17:48.12 | pippijn | jaalto: xxd does it |
| 17:48.16 | pippijn | jaalto: xxd is part of vim |
| 17:48.28 | jaalto | pippijn: a sec. vim doesn't play nice with mrxvt terminal |
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| 17:49.59 | pippijn | jaalto: xxd is a command line tool |
| 17:50.12 | jaalto | pippijn: indeed. Now I found it. "od -c -h <file>" doe sit too. |
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| 17:51.42 | kyrsquir | hello there |
| 17:51.44 | pippijn | hi |
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| 17:52.21 | kyrsquir | after aptitude upgrade or maybe some other changes I cannot boot |
| 17:52.30 | grzechu | hello |
| 17:52.35 | maux | hi |
| 17:53.10 | kyrsquir | grub (actually is grub2) says: error: You need to load the kernel first. |
| 17:53.17 | maux | hi. can anybody help me? i am using lenny and pendrives don't get mounted automatically anymore. though mp4 does and rhythmbox still opens as soon as i plug |
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| 17:54.05 | Nazcafan | !ffmpeg |
| 17:54.05 | dpkg | Get ffmpeg from the same place you get mplayer |
| 17:54.10 | Nazcafan | !mplayer |
| 17:54.10 | dpkg | it has been said that mplayer is in Debian beginning with Etch. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html, or http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/faq.html, http://wiki.multimedia.cx/?title=MPlayer_FAQ, #mplayer on irc.freenode.net |
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| 17:54.18 | grzechu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:54.46 | Wyzard | maux: system -> preferences -> removable drives and media |
| 17:54.53 | Wyzard | maux: Check "mount removable drives when hot-plugged" |
| 17:55.05 | maux | Wyzard: thank you. i will check |
| 17:55.21 | kyrsquir | anybody? |
| 17:55.40 | micols | anyone good at procmail recipe's * ^(From|Subject):*(test-domain\.com|test-domain) \ outfolder what is wrong with this one? it goes right into my inbox instead of "outfolder" |
| 17:55.54 | micols | the last \ is just to indicate a \n |
| 17:57.18 | kyrsquir | anybody... |
| 17:57.22 | kyrsquir | please... |
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| 17:57.36 | jelly-home | micols: missing a . in front of * ? |
| 17:57.44 | crashanddie | !extendedmem |
| 17:57.48 | jelly-home | micols: :.*... |
| 17:57.49 | FreakGuard | is there a script to use arch's PKGBUILD? |
| 17:57.50 | crashanddie | !4gb |
| 17:57.53 | micols | uh yes jelly-home |
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| 17:58.05 | crashanddie | what's the thing for seeing over 4Gb of memory in Debian? |
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| 17:58.23 | micols | jelly-home: thanks, didnt notice it somehow :P |
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| 17:58.26 | drazak | PXE |
| 17:58.30 | drazak | or 64 bit |
| 17:58.31 | mxweas | what is /dat used for? |
| 17:58.38 | micols | guess when ones procmailrc becomes large enough you dont notice small errors :) |
| 17:58.40 | crashanddie | !64bit |
| 17:58.40 | dpkg | i heard 64bit is http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ http://www.debian.org/ports/alpha/ and http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/, or http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ |
| 17:58.45 | crashanddie | !bigmem |
| 17:58.45 | dpkg | -bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub 1GB limit. |
| 17:58.54 | micols | i should really backup my mail before procmail runs through it, just lost an important job mail. |
| 17:58.55 | mxweas | anyone? |
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| 18:00.09 | Wyzard | drazak: PAE, not PXE |
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| 18:00.33 | drazak | Wyzard: er, yeah |
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| 18:00.50 | drazak | Wyzard: sorry, just got up |
| 18:01.02 | kyrsquir | What else should be done after aptitude update & upgrade if the kernel was also changed? |
| 18:01.05 | Wyzard | hmm... why am I unable to create a RAID-10 with two of four devices missing? |
| 18:01.14 | portofu | trying to get dell OMSA to work on poweredge 2950, i done it before. but any idea why the repo is taking offline? see http://blog.zztopping.com/2008/04/29/dell-omsa-debian-64bit/ |
| 18:01.18 | Wyzard | It seems to require at least three, or I get "raid10: not enough operational mirrors for md0" in dmesg |
| 18:01.25 | mxweas | is /dat used for anything on debian? |
| 18:01.28 | FreakGuard | !distcc |
| 18:01.28 | dpkg | distcc is, like, the Distributed C Compiler: http://distcc.samba.org/ A howto for Debian is here: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-distcc.php which allows you to load balance large compiles (kernels, etc) across two or more locally networked systems |
| 18:01.32 | debeee | anyone know name of program that is kinda like rhythmbox that support kde? |
| 18:01.51 | drazak | Wyzard: because raid is finnicky |
| 18:01.51 | portofu | ftp://ftp.sara.nl/pub/sara-omsa no longer contain any files. someone else know other methods getting dell OMSA to work? |
| 18:02.11 | Wyzard | oh, I see, it depends on which two are missing |
| 18:02.16 | kyrsquir | What else should be done after aptitude update & upgrade if the kernel was also changed? |
| 18:02.31 | Wyzard | It works if I provide devices 0 and 2 and leave 1 and 3 missing, but not if I provide 0 and 1 but leave 2 and 3 missing |
| 18:02.48 | Wyzard | That makes sense now that I think about it |
| 18:03.45 | FreakGuard | debeee, amaroK? |
| 18:04.05 | micols | how do you speed up slrn without setting up your own leafnode? i dont want to load x thousand headers each time (takes a long time) ? |
| 18:04.13 | mxweas | can anyone see me typing? |
| 18:04.17 | mxweas | or saying anything? |
| 18:04.18 | mxweas | at all? |
| 18:04.24 | FreakGuard | slaps mxweas with a few fluffy pillows. |
| 18:04.28 | mxweas | ah |
| 18:04.32 | drazak | Wyzard: yeah, because there are 2 seperate raid arrays |
| 18:04.33 | mxweas | so what is /dat used for? |
| 18:04.35 | mxweas | then im gone |
| 18:04.35 | debeee | that's it. |
| 18:04.38 | drazak | Wyzard: 0+1 and 2+3 |
| 18:04.44 | wald0 | how much bugs are remaining for the release ? |
| 18:04.49 | drazak | you can't miss both 2+3 and have it work :P |
| 18:04.51 | wald0 | of lenny |
| 18:04.53 | micols | raid 2 and 3?:( |
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| 18:05.10 | wald0 | where is that website where are listed the bugs remaining ? |
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| 18:08.46 | jelly-home | micols: that's like raid 5 :-) |
| 18:09.34 | hoxu | wald0, http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 18:17.33 | User61 | hi! what's the command for apt-get to find out if (somename) is part of (whatpackage)? =) |
| 18:18.10 | hoxu | !tell User61 about search |
| 18:18.28 | grzechu | User61: apt-cache search ? |
| 18:18.34 | hoxu | User61, that question was somewhat... ambiguous |
| 18:18.47 | User61 | thanks! apt-cache search is what i was looking for |
| 18:18.53 | User61 | =) i'm trying to find out about libperl |
| 18:19.20 | User61 | so many packages |
| 18:19.25 | User61 | i'll try libperl-dev |
| 18:20.35 | hoxu | !be a searching barbie |
| 18:20.35 | dpkg | Aww, searching is HARD! Let's go shopping, hoxu |
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| 18:25.53 | hoxu | !flw |
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| 18:27.17 | tetraedr | hi |
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| 18:28.20 | tetraedr | I've recently made upgrade and now I get "Public key 47:5c:c1:38:f4:6d:f9:21:d2:38:e9:11:a4:3a:c1:2c blacklisted (see ssh-vulnkey(1)); refusing to send it" on any host I'm trying to connect via ssh :( how do I fix this |
| 18:28.20 | tetraedr | ? |
| 18:28.59 | Wyzard | tetraedr: man ssh-vulnkey |
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| 18:29.27 | Wyzard | tetraedr: Your SSH key is weak and you need to replace it |
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| 18:30.00 | tetraedr | Wyzard: I can't replace it. it's used on too many servers which have public keys authentication only |
| 18:30.27 | Wyzard | tetraedr: You need to replace it, because an attacker can easily guess your current key and log into your account on any of those servers |
| 18:30.36 | crashanddie_ | tetraedr, all those servers are exploitable |
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| 18:30.49 | crashanddie_ | tetraedr, though, if those servers are updated, they should remove your access anyway |
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| 18:32.11 | tetraedr | fuck, fighting hackers is worse than hackers |
| 18:32.22 | tetraedr | I need to do several fixes very quickly |
| 18:32.24 | Wyzard | There's probably a way to tell your ssh client to send the key anyway despite its being weak... if the remote systems aren't patched, that'll let you log in (at which point you should immediately remove the weak key from authorized_keys and put a new one there instead) |
| 18:32.26 | theycallmebruce | I've built the vblade ATA over Ethernet target version 18 from source |
| 18:32.26 | tetraedr | and this crap doesn't let me in |
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| 18:32.40 | theycallmebruce | and I currently have version 11 installed from the debian package |
| 18:32.40 | Wyzard | but if the remote hosts have been patched, they'll refuse to let you in with that key anyway |
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| 18:33.28 | Wyzard | Generate a new key, and send the public key to the admin to have him put it in your authorized_keys for you |
| 18:33.47 | theycallmebruce | what's the "cleanest" way to upgrade my binaries? should I uninstall the package first? if I overwrite the binaries, will it confuse apt ? |
| 18:35.42 | jelly-home | theycallmebruce: it will. the best thing to do would be to make packages out of new source |
| 18:36.19 | theycallmebruce | thanks jelly-home.. I guess it's time to start reading some man pages on building packages |
| 18:36.45 | micols | how do i get all headers with slrnpull for slrn? i dont want to fetch bodies? |
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| 18:38.21 | jelly-home | theycallmebruce: there's 16 in testing/unstable. You can use "/msg dpkg ssb" to try building a backport of that for your system. If that works, you can try using uupdate to make a debian source tree out of upstream's tarball for version 18 |
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| 18:39.07 | theycallmebruce | thanks, I'll give that a shot |
| 18:39.14 | theycallmebruce | I'm brand new to Debian |
| 18:40.13 | theycallmebruce | hence no knowledge on packages at this point |
| 18:40.27 | cgibin | cannot seem to brin up the eth0, http://debian.pastebin.com/mb3eeb03 |
| 18:41.42 | Wyzard | cgibin: sounds like maybe you don't have an eth0 |
| 18:41.50 | Wyzard | cgibin: Does "ip link show" or "ifconfig -a" show it? |
| 18:41.52 | cgibin | looks like it, |
| 18:42.11 | cgibin | this what is happin, on this new kenrel that i install eth0 doesnt work says the same thing |
| 18:42.26 | cgibin | no eth0 |
| 18:42.37 | cgibin | only loop |
| 18:42.57 | Wyzard | then the driver isn't loaded, or was loaded but couldn't find the hardware |
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| 18:43.01 | Wyzard | What type of device is eth0/ |
| 18:43.03 | Wyzard | ? |
| 18:43.14 | cgibin | checkin.. |
| 18:43.56 | cgibin | in dev no such a device |
| 18:44.08 | Wyzard | Network interfaces don't get nodes in /dev |
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| 18:44.18 | Wyzard | I mean, what type of network card is it? |
| 18:44.24 | cgibin | i backup my /dev as well |
| 18:44.29 | Wyzard | e.g. what does lspci say for it? |
| 18:44.45 | cgibin | cannot tell eth0 not sure what its point to xl0 orwhatever |
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| 18:45.12 | Wyzard | cgibin: I don't understand that sentence |
| 18:45.15 | cgibin | fd0 |
| 18:45.25 | Wyzard | /dev/fd0 is a floppy drive |
| 18:45.30 | cgibin | you asking me what type of network card it is right |
| 18:45.31 | Wyzard | That has nothing to do with your network card |
| 18:45.39 | Wyzard | yes |
| 18:45.42 | cgibin | i m saying i cannot tell |
| 18:45.54 | Wyzard | lspci | grep Ethernet |
| 18:46.10 | cgibin | thank you |
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| 18:46.26 | cgibin | oh i see |
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| 18:46.31 | cgibin | its gigabit |
| 18:46.47 | jelly-home | cgibin: don't "see", paste the output here |
| 18:46.50 | Wyzard | That doesn't tell us much |
| 18:46.51 | basix | hello...can someone tell me when debian's going to have the 2.6.27 kernel? i'm eagerly awaiting it! :( |
| 18:46.52 | Wyzard | Paste the whole line |
| 18:47.06 | cgibin | lets me see.. |
| 18:47.08 | jelly-home | basix: is it released yet? |
| 18:47.10 | hoxu | !tell basix about kernel-package |
| 18:47.11 | Wyzard | basix: not until 2.6.27 has actually been released... |
| 18:47.32 | cgibin | 02?00.0 ethernet control. : intel corp. 82545em Gigabit ethernet controll |
| 18:47.45 | cgibin | avoid ? its : 02: |
| 18:48.27 | jelly-home | cgibin: "uname -r"? |
| 18:48.54 | cgibin | only see the version that i installed 2.6.16.62 |
| 18:49.12 | cgibin | oh i see |
| 18:49.13 | Wyzard | hmm... the driver for that NIC is probably e1000, but I'm not sure |
| 18:49.14 | jelly-home | cgibin: please don't make typos. |
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| 18:49.33 | maligor | basix, you can always build your own |
| 18:49.45 | basix | Wyzard, when is it likely to be released? and how soon does a kernel appear in debian after it has been officially released? |
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| 18:49.58 | basix | maligor, well i dont trust myself with such things so i'd rather not. |
| 18:50.01 | jelly-home | basix: a few days to a few weeks |
| 18:50.23 | Wyzard | http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/E1000.html says e1000 is indeed the driver for an Intel 82545EM network controller |
| 18:50.28 | basix | jelly-home, are there unofficial repos which might have it earlier? |
| 18:50.32 | jelly-home | basix: (for it to appear in unstable... if you're using stable, the answer is "never") |
| 18:50.49 | basix | jelly-home, yeah i'm on sid |
| 18:51.10 | Wyzard | cgibin: Run "lspci" -- does it show the e1000 driver loaded? |
| 18:51.44 | cgibin | yes |
| 18:51.53 | cgibin | when i boot up to the old kernel network workin |
| 18:51.55 | jelly-home | basix: there are automatic builds done by debian-kernel people, can you live without any third-party modules? |
| 18:51.59 | Wyzard | then the driver is loaded but apparently didn't create the interface |
| 18:52.04 | cgibin | this other one that i recompilte didnt work |
| 18:52.31 | jelly-home | cgibin: why did you rebuild the kernel? |
| 18:52.40 | Wyzard | cgibin: When you say that lsmod shows e1000 loaded, do you mean on the "old kernel" where your eth0 works, or on the custom kernel where it doesn't? |
| 18:52.41 | cgibin | why u asking? |
| 18:53.12 | cgibin | Wyzard, yes indeed thats what i m sayin |
| 18:53.12 | jelly-home | cgibin: to see if your goal can be accomplished some other way |
| 18:53.32 | Wyzard | cgibin: I'm asking which one -- that wasn't a yes/no question |
| 18:53.34 | basix | jelly-home, no. the issue is my wifi card. its an intel 5100 wifi link. now i'm currently using the latest stable kernel in sid. it doesnt have the driver either. i need the .27 kernel to compile a decent driver. right now i'm using some backported stuff which is providing wifi somehow... :P |
| 18:53.39 | cgibin | jelly-home: this other debian box i have i didnt had no issues |
| 18:53.45 | cgibin | on this one for some reason net is not bein up |
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| 18:54.17 | Wyzard | cgibin: On the kernel you built, where eth0 doesn't appear, does lsmod show e1000? |
| 18:54.39 | basix | jelly-home, one more question, my hibernate and suspend dont work either. i tried adding some quirk switches to pm-suspend / hibernate. the machine actually goes to sleep / hibernates but it wakes up immediately. any idea what could be the issue? |
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| 18:56.00 | jelly-home | basix: those vary wildly depending on your hardware; IME hibernate is more likely to work than suspend-to-ram |
| 18:56.55 | basix | jelly-home, yes. it works ( hibernate ) but the machine switches on immediately which is the problem. I'm using a Thinkpad T400 |
| 18:57.02 | jelly-home | basix: "wakes up immediately" sounds more like it started the suspend procedure but failed to accomplish anything |
| 18:57.04 | debee | what programcan i use to change amarok font size in xfce4? |
| 18:58.02 | basix | jelly-home, incase of hibernate. it writes to the swap partition fine and switches off the machine but for some reason it immediately starts up, boots and restores the RAM contents once again... |
| 18:58.03 | jelly-home | basix: you have a rather fresh chipset... try the linux-pm mailing list |
| 18:58.16 | basix | jelly-home, okay! |
| 18:58.56 | jelly-home | basix: learn to build your kernels and change kernel options first, if you go that route |
| 18:59.44 | jelly-home | debee: I'm shamed to say I used kcontrol for that |
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| 19:00.00 | basix | jelly-home, hmm..alright...i'd really like to use debian. Ubuntu has out of the box support for my wifi and video card.. |
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| 19:00.47 | debee | i keep forgetting, thanks |
| 19:00.59 | jelly-home | basix: video card is an xorg issue. wifi is a kernel driver. hibernate/suspend is other part of kernel |
| 19:01.02 | debee | bad memory |
| 19:01.31 | basix | jelly-home, yeah i know.. |
| 19:01.36 | Wyzard | basix: Ubuntu's current release is newer than Debian's |
| 19:01.38 | superfirelord42 | jelly-home, could the hibernate issue be a shortage of swap space to store the memory pages in? |
| 19:01.54 | jelly-home | superfirelord42: "it writes to the swap partition fine and switches off the machine [...] |
| 19:02.14 | superfirelord42 | ah, i must have missed that... |
| 19:02.28 | basix | Wyzard, yes i'm aware of it. |
| 19:02.44 | superfirelord42 | wait, so then whats wrong with it, does it not come back up from a hibernate? |
| 19:02.55 | jelly-home | <basix> jelly-home, incase of hibernate. it writes to the swap partition fine and switches off the machine but for some reason it immediately starts up, boots and restores the RAM contents once again... |
| 19:03.19 | basix | superfirelord42, it can be but not in my case since my swap partition is twice the size of my RAM. |
| 19:03.27 | superfirelord42 | hmmm, ok... i must have missed that, sorry, thanks... |
| 19:03.48 | jelly-home | basix: also, TuxonIce often works better than in-kernel suspend |
| 19:04.07 | jelly-home | I've no idea what ubuntu kernel comes with |
| 19:04.35 | jelly-home | basix: you can use their kernel with debian, though :-) |
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| 19:06.58 | jelly-home | basix: as for video, if it's an intel card, there are newer xserver-xorg-video-intel in experimental |
| 19:07.09 | Kovensky | is there a way to put nouveau on the xserver's autodetection list? on lenny? |
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| 19:09.38 | newpers | why do i get permissions denied errors on sudo find / -type f -size -10k -print0 | xargs 0 grep 'foo' |
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| 19:10.51 | ehtom | root can still be denied access to files |
| 19:11.07 | pippijn | only by the kernel |
| 19:11.14 | jelly-home | ehtom: not easily |
| 19:11.17 | ehtom | no... normal files too |
| 19:11.26 | pippijn | ehtom: yes, but only by the kernel |
| 19:11.30 | pippijn | the kernel can do that |
| 19:11.33 | ehtom | its just that root can change the permissions :P |
| 19:11.41 | pippijn | not always |
| 19:11.49 | pippijn | newpers: grep is getting permission denied |
| 19:11.54 | pippijn | newpers: you also need to do sudo grep |
| 19:11.57 | jelly-home | ehtom: permissions don't matter for root |
| 19:12.13 | FreakGuard | I'm using lenny - and got a .deb here that needs libgnutls13 - what to do? |
| 19:12.31 | jelly-home | ehtom: root can write a mode 0000 file |
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| 19:12.48 | juniorsa | hi, can anyone tell me where to get deb packages to install version 2 of freeradius on etch? |
| 19:13.05 | ehtom | sorry, my mistake |
| 19:13.43 | newpers | pippijn: sudo find . -type f.. -print0 | xargs -0 sudo grep ? |
| 19:13.46 | newpers | or sudo xargs grep |
| 19:13.53 | newpers | both aren't working |
| 19:14.17 | jelly-home | juniorsa: if backports.org don't have it, you can try doing the backport yourself, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:14.29 | \amethyst | FreakGuard: since it doesn't conflict with anything in lenny, you could install that package from etch |
| 19:14.46 | juniorsa | jelly-home: thanks |
| 19:14.57 | \amethyst | FreakGuard: unless it requires a newer version than 1.4.4-3+etch1 |
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| 19:15.33 | basix | jelly-home, tuxonice has too many setup tasks |
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| 19:15.36 | FreakGuard | \amethyst, >= 1.6 |
| 19:15.47 | newpers | nm |
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| 19:16.30 | jelly-home | basix: what can I say? You're using linux and have the newest hardware, deal with it |
| 19:16.53 | jelly-home | basix: If you send me a T400 I'll make it work :-D |
| 19:17.16 | \amethyst | FreakGuard: then you need snapshot.debian.net except it seems to be down right now |
| 19:17.24 | FreakGuard | :( |
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| 19:17.41 | FreakGuard | \amethyst, and just don't care and hope it works with libgnutls26? :) |
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| 19:18.00 | \amethyst | FreakGuard: it won't, because the libraries have different sonames |
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| 19:18.13 | JPT | er... KDE provides some device-icons on the desktop for every device that's mountable... with a new compiled kernel, these icons aren't shown anymore... any ideas ? |
| 19:18.17 | FreakGuard | \amethyst, :( |
| 19:18.46 | \amethyst | FreakGuard: moment |
| 19:18.46 | jelly-home | FreakGuard: is an i386 libgnutls13_2.0.4-4_i386.deb good enough for you? |
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| 19:19.04 | FreakGuard | jelly-home, well, gpg-signed from debian? :) |
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| 19:19.23 | basix | jelly-home, haha...i'm making it work :) |
| 19:19.26 | \amethyst | FreakGuard: that's slightly newer than the version I was going to give you :) |
| 19:19.32 | \amethyst | I have 2.0.4-3+b1 |
| 19:19.44 | veganlion | people at sidux say "no use of aptitude with sid", people at debian say "apt-get is deprecated", can i use aptitude with sid? |
| 19:19.59 | jelly-home | FreakGuard: http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/libgnutls13_2.0.4-4_i386.deb |
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| 19:20.21 | jelly-home | veganlion: they say "don't use aptitude with _sidux_" |
| 19:20.25 | test1009 | Q. what is the proper way to load module with parameters in oldstable |
| 19:20.31 | jelly-home | veganlion: that's a whole different thing |
| 19:20.34 | \amethyst | veganlion: I exclusively use aptitude with sid |
| 19:20.43 | \amethyst | veganlion: (except for apt-get source) |
| 19:21.02 | jelly-home | \amethyst: it apparently got source, too |
| 19:21.06 | FreakGuard | jelly-home, and I should trust your pkg now? ^^ |
| 19:21.07 | veganlion | \amethyst: thx! |
| 19:21.16 | theycallmebruce | OK, I've backported vblade and vblade-persist |
| 19:21.27 | jelly-home | FreakGuard: I _think_ debian's packages have internal md5sums |
| 19:21.29 | theycallmebruce | but vblade-persist depends on a higher version of runit |
| 19:21.37 | theycallmebruce | which in turn i can see has dependencies |
| 19:21.42 | FreakGuard | jelly-home, md5 - well, you could change them? |
| 19:21.43 | theycallmebruce | I seem to be entering dependency hell |
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| 19:21.49 | jelly-home | FreakGuard: yes :-) |
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| 19:22.45 | jelly-home | FreakGuard: you'd be a fool to use binary packages from random irc people! :-> |
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| 19:22.51 | \amethyst | FreakGuard: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-devel-changes@lists.debian.org/msg215470.html |
| 19:23.21 | \amethyst | FreakGuard: there's a signed message containing the md5sum of that .deb |
| 19:23.42 | FreakGuard | \amethyst, md5sum is hackable :) |
| 19:23.46 | jelly-home | \amethyst: maybe I've cracked sha1. |
| 19:23.53 | pippijn | just use them all |
| 19:23.57 | pippijn | md5, sha1, sha256 |
| 19:23.57 | \amethyst | FreakGuard: sorry, I mean SHA |
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| 19:24.04 | maux | Wyzard: . "mount removable drives when hot-plugged" is checked, but it still doesnt mount |
| 19:24.21 | \amethyst | FreakGuard: and there is no known way to get a collision with an arbitrary md5sum... it's not that broken |
| 19:24.27 | maux | Wyzard: what should i try ? |
| 19:24.35 | \amethyst | FreakGuard: you can create a collision, but you can't pick what md5sum you're colliding with |
| 19:24.49 | jelly-home | ... maybe. |
| 19:24.54 | minerale | can I setuid on a shell script? |
| 19:25.01 | pippijn | minerale: yes, but it doesn't help |
| 19:25.02 | jelly-home | minerale: not in linux |
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| 19:25.37 | \amethyst | FreakGuard: that's not to say it can't be broken, or that it hasn't been broken by the NSA |
| 19:25.37 | pippijn | minerale: the interpreter has to be suid |
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| 19:25.56 | Kovensky | nah |
| 19:25.59 | minerale | pippijn: well, can I write a small binary that then exec(script) ? |
| 19:26.05 | jelly-home | minerale: yes |
| 19:26.06 | Kovensky | 0x09 in 0x0a l33t h4x0rz prefer irssi :) |
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| 19:26.33 | \amethyst | minerale: yes, but note that bash will drop privileges if the effective UID is not the real UID |
| 19:26.34 | jelly-home | minerale: that's the way eg. mailman calls its scripts |
| 19:26.34 | FreakGuard | \amethyst, thx. seems to be ok |
| 19:26.40 | \amethyst | minerale: unless you use -p |
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| 19:27.03 | FreakGuard | jelly-home, thx |
| 19:27.30 | \amethyst | minerale: I would recommend using sudo for that: you can set up sudo to allow users (certain users or groups, or everyone) to run a specific command as another user, without a password |
| 19:27.34 | maux | hi. can anybody help me? i am using lenny and pendrives don't get mounted automatically anymore. though mp4 does and rhythmbox still opens as soon as i plug. wyzard told me to system -> preferences -> removable drives and media and Check "mount removable drives when hot-plugged". it was checked. i unchecked, closed and then checked and closed. my pendrive still doesnt mount. any suggestions? |
| 19:27.55 | Traveler37 | what is the last seen syntax for debhelper??? |
| 19:28.02 | \amethyst | minerale: then you'd have a wrapper script that does exec sudo -u targetuser /path/to/thescript "$@" |
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| 19:28.41 | \amethyst | minerale: but a suid wrapper binary would work, too. Just make sure you're careful about the environment etc |
| 19:28.43 | PaderbornerPenne | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/6555660/ |
| 19:28.46 | jelly-home | \amethyst: or embed the exec in the script itself :-) |
| 19:28.58 | PaderbornerPenne | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/6555660/ |
| 19:29.11 | tomaw | PaderbornerPenne: stop spamming pennergame links on freenode please |
| 19:29.29 | jelly-home | kline! kline! |
| 19:29.35 | et | /stats p is empty :/ |
| 19:29.46 | jelly-home | et: they're hiding |
| 19:30.09 | Traveler37 | jelly-home do you know how to do the lastseen through debhelper |
| 19:30.25 | minerale | \amethyst: sure, how do I set sudo to run without a password? |
| 19:30.26 | jelly-home | Traveler37: umm... /msg debhelper seen Traveler37 ? |
| 19:30.36 | christoz | wha ROOT_UID=0 does mean? |
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| 19:30.55 | jelly-home | debhelper: ping |
| 19:31.02 | jelly-home | debhelper: test |
| 19:31.04 | FreakGuard | jelly-home, also got a libopencdk10 >=0.6.5 ? |
| 19:31.11 | jelly-home | FreakGuard: ... :-) |
| 19:31.36 | FreakGuard | jelly-home, dep from that other pkg ^^ |
| 19:31.42 | Traveler37 | jelly-home not working... |
| 19:31.43 | jelly-home | what am I, snapshots.d.n? |
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| 19:32.24 | Traveler37 | on public term and my time runs out soon ;-( |
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| 19:32.33 | jelly-home | !seen jelly |
| 19:32.33 | dpkg | jelly is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 89 messages. Is idling for 1d 3h 38m 38s, last said: 'abrotman: and 2-3 days of investigation, testing and implementation'. |
| 19:32.42 | Traveler37 | thats it THANKS |
| 19:32.48 | _linuxftw | If I install a .deb file with dpkg -i myDebFile.deb, how can I uninstall it? |
| 19:32.59 | jelly-home | Traveler37: that's not debhelper, though |
| 19:33.08 | Traveler37 | !seen abrotman |
| 19:33.09 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 20h 16m 30s ago, saying: 'heh'. |
| 19:33.15 | jelly-home | heh. |
| 19:33.21 | \amethyst | minerale: for example fromuser ALL=(touser) NOPASSWD: /path/to/command |
| 19:33.32 | Traveler37 | jelly-home thanks |
| 19:33.44 | jelly-home | FreakGuard: I only have 0.6.6-1 installed, but no package |
| 19:34.21 | jelly-home | FreakGuard: apt-get -f install cannot get it for you? |
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| 19:35.05 | \amethyst | _linuxftw: dpkg -r packagename or apt-get remove packagename or dpkg -P packagename or aptitude purge packagename |
| 19:35.23 | \amethyst | _linuxftw: 'purge' means to remove the config files, too |
| 19:36.16 | _linuxftw | Ahh I was trying to dpkg -r thedebfile.deb |
| 19:36.19 | _linuxftw | rather than the package |
| 19:36.20 | _linuxftw | thanks |
| 19:36.28 | FreakGuard | jelly-home, got one or not? |
| 19:36.41 | jelly-home | FreakGuard: I can dpkg-repack it, but the result would fail the checksums :-) |
| 19:36.47 | _linuxftw | I have another question, is ntfs-3g in the debian stable repository for apt-get? |
| 19:37.21 | \amethyst | _linuxftw: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ntfs-3g |
| 19:37.28 | \amethyst | _linuxftw: it is not, but it is in backports |
| 19:37.39 | _linuxftw | the backports are old versions? |
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| 19:38.25 | jelly-home | FreakGuard: http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/libopencdk10_0.6.6-1_i386.deb |
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| 19:38.51 | jelly-home | FreakGuard: now that one _will_ have wrong checksums, I just made it |
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| 19:39.44 | _linuxftw | Another question, why is ntfs-3g not in the repository, is it just because nobody packaged it? or because it is somehow incompatible with Debian? |
| 19:39.58 | Kovensky | _linuxftw: it is on the repos |
| 19:40.00 | Kovensky | I installed it today |
| 19:40.39 | _linuxftw | \amethyst did a search and it didn't show up. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ntfs-3g |
| 19:40.40 | FreakGuard | jelly-home, well... |
| 19:40.59 | _linuxftw | not for stable at least |
| 19:41.00 | FreakGuard | jelly-home, I'll just compile that thing with the new libs :/ |
| 19:41.00 | \amethyst | lehkor: it was not ready for Debian when etch was released last April |
| 19:41.03 | \amethyst | doh |
| 19:41.09 | \amethyst | _linuxftw: it was not ready for Debian when etch was released last April |
| 19:41.17 | FreakGuard | or put archlinux in that thing |
| 19:41.30 | _linuxftw | ah okay |
| 19:41.33 | Kovensky | oh, I have to remember about etch :P |
| 19:41.36 | \amethyst | _linuxftw: sorry, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ntfs-3g&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 19:41.42 | Kovensky | treats lenny as stable |
| 19:41.43 | jelly-home | FreakGuard: eh |
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| 19:42.03 | _linuxftw | Im running etch, if I were to go grab the version for lenny, would that cause problems? |
| 19:42.19 | \amethyst | _linuxftw: probably |
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| 19:42.28 | FreakGuard | jelly-home, well |
| 19:42.33 | ProN00b | which package contains tunefs ? |
| 19:42.35 | _linuxftw | Its possible to dist-upgrade to lenny, right? |
| 19:42.36 | \amethyst | _linuxftw: but you can get the version from etch-backports, which is designed to work with etch |
| 19:42.41 | \amethyst | !backports |
| 19:42.41 | dpkg | it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 19:42.48 | \amethyst | !backports.org |
| 19:42.48 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 19:42.52 | _linuxftw | \amethyst, that is probably the best thing to do, thanks |
| 19:43.08 | FreakGuard | jelly-home, http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=libopencdk10&l=debian-devel-changes%40lists.debian.org <-- where to get the pkg? |
| 19:43.41 | kingsley | An NBC web site tells me I need to upgrade flash to version 9, even though I already have it. I suspect that NBC is discriminating against linux users because of it's affiliation with MicroSoft, but I suppose there could be a bug in my computer. Would some people here please tell me if http://www.nbc.com/The_Tonight_Show_with_Jay_Leno/video/episodes/ works for you, or says you need to upgrade? |
| 19:43.44 | veganlion | can i install sid directly from netinstall medium or do i have to edit the sources.list later? |
| 19:43.50 | \amethyst | ProN00b: there isn't a single tunefs program... are you looking for tune2fs (the ext2/ext3 version)? |
| 19:44.01 | ProN00b | oic, thx |
| 19:44.10 | jelly-home | FreakGuard: http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/libopencdk10_0.6.6-1_i386.deb, but that one was built from the files on my laptop |
| 19:44.19 | \amethyst | ProN00b: tune2fs is in e2fsprogs |
| 19:44.25 | FreakGuard | jelly-home, :/ |
| 19:44.48 | jelly-home | FreakGuard: thus, it won't be exactly the same as debian's signed package |
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| 19:45.40 | FreakGuard | jelly-home, can I use ubuntu pkgs? |
| 19:46.04 | \amethyst | FreakGuard: hold on, I've got the package |
| 19:46.08 | jelly-home | FreakGuard: I'd rather use some random irc guy package than theirs |
| 19:46.26 | FreakGuard | \amethyst, nice |
| 19:46.34 | FreakGuard | \amethyst, where found? :) |
| 19:46.40 | minerale | \amethyst: I keep trying but I don't think you can mix 'another user' and no password |
| 19:46.57 | \amethyst | FreakGuard: http://s-z.org/libopencdk10_0.6.6-1_i386.deb |
| 19:47.16 | minerale | \amethyst: fromuser ALL=NOPASSWD: /command/etc works fine as root, but if I specify a user it asks for a password |
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| 19:47.36 | \amethyst | minerale: fromuser ALL=(destuser) NOPASSWD: /command/etc |
| 19:47.57 | DynV | I found this bash script which I don't know about but it seem to be coming from a reliable source, it doesn't work, is there an obvious reason ? [ $(du -sm ~/.Trash/|awk '{print $1}') -gt 1024 ] && rm `ls -tald ~/.Trash/* |tail -1|head -1 |awk '{print $8}'` |
| 19:48.08 | FreakGuard | \amethyst, thx! |
| 19:48.20 | jelly-home | DynV: ew. |
| 19:48.26 | \amethyst | minerale: if the (destuser) is omitted it defaults to (root) I think |
| 19:48.38 | DynV | jelly-home: ? |
| 19:48.39 | FreakGuard | \amethyst, .oO(how did you find that?) |
| 19:48.49 | minerale | if I speicfy (desutuser) do I still need to call sudo -u destuser /command ? |
| 19:49.08 | \amethyst | FreakGuard: It was in my /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 19:49.19 | \amethyst | FreakGuard: I don't clean them out very often :) |
| 19:49.33 | jelly-home | DynV: ugly. You're not supposed to use ls to pick filenames that way, it'll blow in your face. What is it supposed to do? |
| 19:49.37 | \amethyst | and I've been running sid for a long time, so I've got all kinds of obsolete packages installed :) |
| 19:50.03 | DynV | jelly-home: delete files if my thrash is over a G starting with the oldest files |
| 19:50.14 | jelly-home | \amethyst: aaand you don't clean the cache |
| 19:50.24 | \amethyst | jelly-home: I said that :) |
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| 19:50.36 | jelly-home | is blind |
| 19:50.46 | jelly-home | she blinded me with science |
| 19:51.14 | dudeman | hey |
| 19:51.22 | dudeman | stop being blinded by science |
| 19:51.24 | DynV | jelly-home: I took it from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=319211 |
| 19:51.44 | jelly-home | DynV: that will fail in nasty ways if you ever get large files with spaces in their names |
| 19:51.45 | FreakGuard | \amethyst, hrhr |
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| 19:52.09 | DynV | jelly-home: got a suggestion for a trash cleaner ? |
| 19:52.21 | \amethyst | she blinded me with faith-based initiatives |
| 19:52.49 | jelly-home | DynV: ubuntuforums.org != reliable source |
| 19:53.16 | DynV | jelly-home: it's the closest thing I found as a solution ... |
| 19:55.06 | minerale | \amethyst: yeah, I tried it every way possible, you can't user 'destuser' and 'nopasswd' |
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| 19:56.30 | DynV | any suggestion for a trash cleaner or however the porper term might be for it ? |
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| 19:56.52 | DynV | s/porper/ proper |
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| 19:57.45 | jelly-home | DynV: if you want to learn a bit, I'd suggest eg. using find to clear up files older than 7 days or something like that |
| 19:57.48 | jelly-home | !using find |
| 19:57.49 | dpkg | using find is probably http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind |
| 19:58.04 | DynV | jelly-home: ty |
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| 19:58.31 | Akuw | Hi |
| 19:58.37 | Akuw | i need to create a dir |
| 19:58.52 | Akuw | 10 users can write, but nobody can delete |
| 19:58.56 | Akuw | i am suing samba |
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| 19:59.13 | wols_ | Akuw: good luck. and FOAD |
| 19:59.32 | Akuw | wols_ ??? |
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| 20:00.03 | wols_ | samba people work years to provide you something totally free and you gonna _sue_ them? talk about ungrateful bastard |
| 20:00.16 | jelly-home | ? |
| 20:00.27 | wols_ | 21:59 < Akuw> i am suing samba |
| 20:00.29 | jelly-home | oh :-) |
| 20:00.56 | phorce1 | wonderful, whacked by a hurricane and my primary lenny desktop decides to misbehave after a reboot. |
| 20:01.22 | wols_ | phorce1: computer fear water even more than you do |
| 20:01.26 | phorce1 | What could cause all NICS in the box to THINK they are transmitting, but not actually transmit |
| 20:01.29 | wols_ | *computers |
| 20:01.30 | jelly-home | phorce1: if that's the major worry after a hurricane, lucky you |
| 20:01.49 | phorce1 | Hoping power comes back before fuel runs out |
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| 20:02.03 | wols_ | talk about addicted if you run on generator :P |
| 20:02.13 | phorce1 | wols -- running the business |
| 20:02.17 | jelly-home | maybe he's running services |
| 20:02.20 | jelly-home | right |
| 20:02.31 | jelly-home | phorce1: cables, etc? |
| 20:02.36 | JPT | better having a generator than sitting in the dark without anything to do^^ |
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| 20:02.58 | wols_ | phorce1: being on #debian is business? wow. and running lenny for business? tsk |
| 20:03.23 | Akuw | so is impossible to do that? |
| 20:03.30 | phorce1 | All good. This laptop (also lenny) is plugged into one of the same switches as the dead desktop and I've swapped cables |
| 20:03.32 | wols_ | Akuw: no |
| 20:03.37 | jelly-home | wols_: nothing wrong using testing if you know your stuff |
| 20:04.01 | phorce1 | wols no, the business servers are all etch |
| 20:04.13 | jelly-home | phorce1: hm, maybe the switch has issues |
| 20:04.26 | DynV | is "piping" a command in a file like DOS : command > file ? |
| 20:04.27 | phorce1 | But I communicate with the world using the lenny machine on my desk |
| 20:04.36 | \amethyst | Akuw: the simplest way is to make a group to which those ten users belong |
| 20:04.40 | wols_ | DynV: among other things yes |
| 20:04.51 | DynV | wols_: ty |
| 20:04.52 | Akuw | but |
| 20:05.00 | Akuw | any member can delete the files |
| 20:05.03 | phorce1 | jelly-home: 2 switches, the desktop is connected to two networks |
| 20:05.04 | \amethyst | Akuw: then make the directory belong to the group with mode 1770 (or 1775 if you want others to be able to read) |
| 20:05.15 | Akuw | i only need the users can write, but no delete |
| 20:05.23 | phorce1 | jelly-home: identical problems outside the lenney machine not likely |
| 20:05.23 | \amethyst | Akuw: the leading 1 there (chmod +t) means that only the owner of a file can delete it |
| 20:05.39 | \amethyst | Akuw: so people will still be able to delete their own files, but not other users' files |
| 20:05.41 | jelly-home | DynV: piping is more like " command1 | command2 " |
| 20:06.04 | DynV | jelly-home: I know that's why I quoted, I didn't remember the proper word |
| 20:06.09 | \amethyst | Akuw: there is no way to prevent someone from deleting their own files in a directory they have write access to |
| 20:06.27 | phorce1 | output from ifconfig says RX bytes 992076 TX bytes 0 |
| 20:06.47 | jelly-home | DynV: command > file is usually called (output) redirection |
| 20:07.00 | DynV | jelly-home: thanks :) |
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| 20:07.26 | jelly-home | phorce1: that doesn't sound like transmitting |
| 20:08.03 | jelly-home | phorce1: do the lights blink? :-) does dmesg the link is up? |
| 20:08.07 | phorce1 | output from 'ping (known local IP address)' says host unreachable -- transmitted xxx packets received 0. ---- so, it THINKS it is transmitting but nothing ever reaches the outside. |
| 20:08.10 | jelly-home | report* |
| 20:08.24 | Akuw | i did what you told me |
| 20:08.33 | Akuw | and another user delete the file i created |
| 20:09.14 | phorce1 | dmesg ---- eth1 link up ----- watchdog, transmit timed out |
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| 20:11.53 | \amethyst | Akuw: what does ls -ld /the/directory say the permissions and ownership are? |
| 20:12.28 | phorce1 | iptables -L comes up empty so I didn't do something stupid like stick some drop everything rules in there |
| 20:12.32 | \amethyst | Akuw: oh, the directory's owning user can delete files there too |
| 20:12.36 | kingsley | Is it possible to install version 10 of flash? if so, how? |
| 20:12.47 | dudeman | uhm |
| 20:12.50 | dudeman | there is a version 10? |
| 20:12.59 | dudeman | is it linux compatabile? |
| 20:13.04 | dudeman | and/or amd64? |
| 20:14.01 | jelly-home | DynV: if you want to find out more about shell scripts, try also http://wooledge.org:8000/BashGuide |
| 20:15.07 | jelly-home | DynV: there's an explanation of why using output of ls -l isn't smart in there, http://wooledge.org:8000/BashGuide#head-722e9a2b1b4b3dbd84463ab4e161e3960777ea1d |
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| 20:17.37 | Akuw | the owner of dir is root |
| 20:18.17 | \amethyst | Akuw: what about the group and the permissions? |
| 20:19.26 | Akuw | 77 |
| 20:19.28 | Akuw | 777 |
| 20:19.48 | \amethyst | Akuw: chmod 1777 the directory |
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| 20:20.03 | \amethyst | Akuw: that's what enables the only-owners-can-delete-files restriction |
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| 20:20.39 | \amethyst | Akuw: it should show up in ls -ld with a 't' (or 'T' if not other-executable) as the last character of the permissions |
| 20:20.47 | phorce1 | jelly-home: dmesg says eth1 link up --and--- watchdog, transmit timed out |
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| 20:21.23 | jelly-home | phorce1: that's either hardware or a very buggy driver |
| 20:22.21 | jelly-home | phorce1: did you reboot into a different kernel than the one running before? |
| 20:22.23 | peteweez | I have an Intel HD Audio chip that's supposedly supported by the snd-hda-intel module. alsaconf detects it correctly, but no matter what I do, I can't get any sound out of it. What's wrong? |
| 20:22.41 | jelly-home | peteweez: which debian release? which kernel? |
| 20:22.41 | phorce1 | jelly-home: they both use the r8169 driver. Getting a new copy onto the machine is going to be difficult <grin> |
| 20:23.13 | jelly-home | phorce1: usb keys rule |
| 20:23.26 | phorce1 | jelly-home: 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 20:23.40 | peteweez | peteweez: lenny |
| 20:23.41 | phorce1 | (from uname -a) |
| 20:23.43 | peteweez | sorry |
| 20:23.46 | peteweez | jelly-home: lenny |
| 20:23.49 | jelly-home | peteweez: uname -r ? |
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| 20:24.03 | peteweez | jelly-home: And please don't kill me for this, but I'm using 2.6.27-rc6 |
| 20:24.12 | peteweez | I will understand if you say that that is unsupported |
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| 20:24.26 | peteweez | I have to use it because of my wifi card |
| 20:24.28 | peteweez | I need ath9k |
| 20:24.35 | Kovensky | peteweez: are you sure you didn't unmute the card? |
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| 20:24.38 | jelly-home | peteweez: if you were using stable and its 2.6.18, I'd say to try a newer kernel. You got me now! |
| 20:24.43 | peteweez | haha |
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| 20:24.55 | peteweez | Kovensky: errrm alsamixer seems to think it's not muted |
| 20:24.59 | phorce1 | peteweez: Run alsaconf and make sure the volume is turned up. NOT the master volume, it is usually up -- on mine it was the one labeled "FRONT" that was all the way down |
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| 20:25.10 | Kovensky | is using 2.6.22 because lenny's 2.6.26 still didn't fix the SATA_SIS problem |
| 20:25.18 | wols_ | peteweez: for intel-hda there are about a myriad module parameters |
| 20:25.33 | Kovensky | peteweez: put them ALL up, unmute them ALL |
| 20:25.41 | jelly-home | phorce1: dunno, if some static got to the cards, it's possible they're burnt and you need them replaced |
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| 20:25.56 | wols_ | even stuff like different ones for different manufacturers of hardware. when you think intel made that "standard", disgusting |
| 20:26.08 | peteweez | phroce1: alsaconf is up |
| 20:26.12 | peteweez | the front I mean |
| 20:26.16 | phorce1 | jelly-home: both dead for TX only and appear to be RX OK? |
| 20:26.22 | peteweez | I mean alsamixer |
| 20:26.29 | peteweez | and I ran alsaconf |
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| 20:26.42 | phorce1 | peteweez: so did I (mean alsamixer) |
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| 20:26.51 | raz | hi. |
| 20:26.57 | jelly-home | phorce1: that's not an unusual symptom, yes. Can you try a different kernel, though? |
| 20:27.09 | raz | anyone know a tool like puppet but for managing services (status/stop/start) across many servers? |
| 20:27.26 | peteweez | wols_: so what do I do? |
| 20:27.29 | peteweez | this is intel's chip |
| 20:27.41 | peteweez | not intel's chip on someone else's board |
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| 20:27.48 | jelly-home | phorce1: like .24 or .18 from stable, if they worked on this machine |
| 20:27.57 | multi_io | how can you search for debian packages by tag? |
| 20:28.08 | phorce1 | jelly-home: not sure I have another installed. I usually test a new kernel for a few days then purge the old ones. Lemme do a reboot and see what shows up in grub |
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| 20:28.16 | multi_io | e.g. Tag: suite::mozilla |
| 20:28.51 | peteweez | also does anyone know how (or if) smp_call_function changed in the kernel API in 2.6.27? |
| 20:28.55 | micols | is leafnode spool compatible with slrnpull's spool? |
| 20:29.00 | peteweez | It appears to be keeping my fglrx from compiling |
| 20:29.19 | micols | fglrx wont compile with the newest kernel |
| 20:29.21 | peteweez | wols_: do I set these options somewhere? |
| 20:29.26 | peteweez | micols: haha |
| 20:29.31 | peteweez | OK thanks |
| 20:29.32 | micols | you need 2.6.25.10 or below |
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| 20:29.35 | peteweez | that explains it |
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| 20:29.38 | micols | at least i do :), and i have patched |
| 20:29.44 | micols | added the symbols fglrx needs |
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| 20:29.49 | peteweez | micols: It compiled with 2.6.26, but it wouldn't load |
| 20:29.54 | micols | neither here. |
| 20:29.59 | peteweez | unrecognized symbol or something |
| 20:30.13 | peteweez | how long do you figure ATi will take to patch it |
| 20:30.15 | phorce1 | jelly-home: Only the one kernel. I Think I'll try booting from the Lenny netinstall and go straight to "configure network" and see if that works. |
| 20:30.20 | peteweez | I can't downgrade my kernel |
| 20:30.33 | peteweez | It would break my wifi |
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| 20:31.09 | micols | peteweez: yes it compiles but wont load because kernel has removed the symbols since that one i mentioned |
| 20:31.13 | micols | and fglrx didnt update with it |
| 20:31.27 | peteweez | Someone from #ati named maligor claimed it would compile if you changed the parameters passed to smp_call_function, it works |
| 20:31.31 | peteweez | but I don't know enough to do that |
| 20:31.35 | micols | actually they were uncommented in the one i mentioned, so i could just uncomment them |
| 20:31.36 | peteweez | and he didn't remember what he did |
| 20:31.42 | micols | so that version will work, but newer wont. |
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| 20:32.04 | nkuttler | peteweez: you could try to patch an older kernel with the wifi updates... |
| 20:32.09 | peteweez | and he was using a newer kernel I think |
| 20:32.16 | peteweez | nkuttler: that seems...backward |
| 20:32.19 | peteweez | but you may be right |
| 20:32.27 | maligor | peteweez, seems like has a similar nick to mine ;) |
| 20:32.27 | micols | peteweez: you could use opensource ati drivers |
| 20:32.48 | peteweez | Are there patches for that? I think that ath9k is a totally new module |
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| 20:33.01 | peteweez | maligor: are you everywhere or something? |
| 20:33.06 | peteweez | micols: they fail on mine |
| 20:33.16 | phorce1 | looks around for the lenny netinstall CD he burned last week <sigh> |
| 20:33.38 | micols | well i use atheros and it works fine with newest kernel i think, but havnt updated my kernel for a while :) |
| 20:33.44 | peteweez | I didn't try compiling the source directly from upstream, but the lenny packages just f*** my screen |
| 20:33.44 | micols | madwifi i use, not 5k or 9k |
| 20:33.55 | peteweez | micols: nah madwifi doesn't work with this |
| 20:34.00 | peteweez | this is a newer card |
| 20:34.06 | peteweez | I used madwifi on my old card |
| 20:34.15 | micols | right i bought my card after madwifi compat list |
| 20:34.18 | micols | :) |
| 20:34.35 | peteweez | madwifi is evil though since it's not FOSS. Of course I can't talk since I use fglrx :-) |
| 20:34.43 | micols | it was cheap. $12-15 including postage from UK to DK |
| 20:34.50 | peteweez | nice |
| 20:35.11 | micols | and works better than my intel which is about 6-8times the price |
| 20:35.18 | peteweez | micols: I don't get how Danish people always learn English so well that you don't realize that they're not native English speakers |
| 20:35.19 | micols | (ebay prices) |
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| 20:35.26 | peteweez | hah |
| 20:35.57 | micols | peteweez: except some groups of danish people, physicists for instance ;) |
| 20:36.02 | peteweez | lol |
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| 20:37.19 | peteweez | So does anyone else have an Intel HDA 82801I working with their linux? |
| 20:38.07 | peteweez | It ships with lots of newer laptops |
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| 20:38.46 | phorce1 | what's the name of the nonfree flash plugin? I can't see stormpulse.com using gnash and I can't find the nonfree using apt-cache search (yes, I have non-free in my sources.list) |
| 20:38.50 | jelly-home | peteweez: that's just the audio interface, the codec chip behind it is more important |
| 20:39.18 | peteweez | jelly-home: ah |
| 20:39.20 | amphi | 82801H works fine here with snd_hda_intel, FWIW |
| 20:39.29 | peteweez | that's an ati chip behind it |
| 20:39.50 | peteweez | so in system => preferences => sound, which interface should I select |
| 20:40.00 | peteweez | and which interface should I select in alsaconf |
| 20:40.08 | peteweez | the codec chip or the audio interface? |
| 20:41.06 | jelly-home | peteweez: choose snd-hda-intel, and if you're lucky the version you have will support the codec |
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| 20:41.37 | jelly-home | phorce1: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:41.38 | peteweez | jelly-home: is alc662 possibly the codec chip? |
| 20:41.42 | jelly-home | peteweez: yes. |
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| 20:41.56 | peteweez | wait or is this is |
| 20:41.58 | peteweez | *it |
| 20:42.01 | peteweez | ATI Technologies Inc RV635 Audio device [Radeon HD 3600 Series] |
| 20:42.09 | peteweez | output from lspci|grep -i audio |
| 20:42.41 | jelly-home | that sounds like some part of the graphic card (its audio input?) |
| 20:42.51 | phorce1 | jelly-home: hmmmm, it's not showing up. just flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound |
| 20:43.17 | peteweez | jelly-home: yep I think it is |
| 20:43.23 | jelly-home | phorce1: might be out of testing |
| 20:43.28 | peteweez | same PCI bridge according to lshw-gtk |
| 20:43.36 | peteweez | hdmi audio or something |
| 20:43.44 | phorce1 | jelly-home: yeah, I think it's still sitting in sid |
| 20:43.50 | peteweez | so what do I do to make sure I have alc662 support? |
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| 20:44.00 | peteweez | should I look for something in lsmod? |
| 20:44.12 | phorce1 | jelly-home: manual DL and cross fingers time |
| 20:44.21 | jelly-home | peteweez: if it was detected, it'll likely work |
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| 20:45.29 | GhostlyDeath | How do I change all the colors around in irssi? |
| 20:45.33 | peteweez | jelly-home: Great! Then why doesn't it? :-) Btw if I'm really starting to get on your nerves I can tackle this another time. This isn't that important to me at the moment. |
| 20:45.44 | Kovensky | likes the default color scheme |
| 20:46.05 | streuner | GhostlyDeath: the website irssi.org has nice docs ;-) |
| 20:46.05 | GhostlyDeath | also |
| 20:46.31 | GhostlyDeath | joining OFTC fails with this |
| 20:47.05 | jelly-home | peteweez: dunno, go through the remaining steps in /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 20:47.59 | phorce1 | jelly-home: I know I had it installed on the other machine, watch it brek my NIC TX on the laptop <grin> |
| 20:48.40 | peteweez | does that mean I should or should not stop arts and esound |
| 20:48.42 | peteweez | ? |
| 20:49.01 | jelly-home | peteweez: if they're alive, stop them |
| 20:49.09 | peteweez | OK |
| 20:49.15 | peteweez | I doubt they're even installed |
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| 20:51.11 | peteweez | Yeah it's not working...I'll worry about it some other time. Thanks anyway. I have a feeling I may be running a sound card that is just plain unsupported and a video card that isn't supported by the 2.6.27-rc6 kernel. |
| 20:51.18 | peteweez | Thanks for all your help. |
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| 21:07.22 | juice` | is there any way to build only specific part of package? like php5-cgi only (i get errors when i try to compile whole php5 package with dpkg-buildpackage ) |
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| 21:07.50 | juice` | i tried running debian/rules php5-cgi-stamp but this only built it and didn't create any .deb files |
| 21:07.59 | karma_ | Hello! I want to setup very simple bridge, i have two bridged interfaces: tun0 and dummy0, i want everything that comes on tun0 be forwarded to dummy0. So it acts like simple hub. |
| 21:08.20 | karma_ | Can you give me some examples or references to such configuration. |
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| 21:10.27 | \amethyst | karma_: something like brctl addbr br0; brctl addif br0 tun0; brctl addif br0 dummy0 ? |
| 21:10.45 | peppe | and maybe putting both interfaces in promisc mode |
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| 21:12.25 | karma_ | \amethyst, no, it doesn't work |
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| 21:12.43 | jelly-home | hm, does bridge-utils-interfaces(5) man page exist in stable? |
| 21:13.02 | jelly-home | !find /bridge-utils-interfaces.5 etch |
| 21:13.02 | karma_ | \amethyst, i don't want it to look up mac address, store it and check.. i just want to pass all packets to dummy0 |
| 21:13.13 | karma_ | \amethyst, and with those simple configuration it just doesn't work |
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| 21:14.02 | juice` | is there any way to build only specific part of package? like php5-cgi only (i get errors when i try to compile whole php5 package with dpkg-buildpackage ). i tried running debian/rules php5-cgi-stamp but this only built it and didn't create any .deb files |
| 21:14.05 | karma_ | what am i really going to achieve is to isolate tun0 interface, route all packets to unexistent network (dummy0) |
| 21:14.13 | karma_ | i was thinking about using bridging for it |
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| 21:25.52 | juice` | is there any way to build only specific part of package? like php5-cgi only (i get errors when i try to compile whole php5 package with dpkg-buildpackage ). i tried running debian/rules php5-cgi-stamp but this only built it and didn't create any .deb files |
| 21:26.48 | scott_w | is there any reason sudo wouldn't be asking me for my password? |
| 21:28.05 | FreakGuard | scott_w, /etc/sudoers |
| 21:29.11 | jelly-home | scott_w: or you've already given it the password recently |
| 21:29.49 | scott_w | i've tried closing the terminal and reopening it, which (in my old ubuntu install) used to force sudo to ask me for the password again |
| 21:29.53 | scott_w | not so in this debian install |
| 21:30.08 | jelly-home | scott_w: that's expected |
| 21:30.32 | GhostlyDeath | Does IRSSI have a popup that shows what channels I am in so I can easily change to them? |
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| 21:30.39 | wald0_ | where is that website where are listed the bugs remaining ? |
| 21:30.47 | scott_w | jelly-home: the former behaviour or debian's current behaviour? |
| 21:30.56 | jelly-home | scott_w: debian's |
| 21:31.04 | scott_w | ok... |
| 21:31.09 | jelly-home | scott_w: I have no experience with ubuntu |
| 21:31.11 | scott_w | i'll try again in 5 minutes or so |
| 21:31.19 | jelly-home | scott_w: 15 minutes is the default |
| 21:31.27 | scott_w | er... |
| 21:31.35 | scott_w | where's the option to shorten that? |
| 21:31.40 | jelly-home | scott_w: man sudo, sudo -k makes it expire immediately |
| 21:32.06 | scott_w | ahh, cool =( |
| 21:32.08 | scott_w | =)* |
| 21:32.10 | scott_w | cheers |
| 21:32.14 | jelly-home | also man sudoers |
| 21:33.17 | scott_w | yah :) |
| 21:33.23 | scott_w | i'm looking it up now |
| 21:33.29 | jelly-home | scott_w: in the latter, look at timestamp_timeout |
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| 21:35.28 | GhostlyDeath | Is there a list of control codes in IRSSI? |
| 21:35.58 | crashanddie | GhostlyDeath, probably in the irssi help files |
| 21:37.04 | scott_w | jelly-home: cheers, i think i've got it =) |
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| 21:42.14 | kyrsquir | What else should be done after aptitude update & upgrade if the kernel was also changed? |
| 21:42.56 | ma3x | i have 7 gigabyte .iso video image. if i'd cut it at 4.7 and burn it on a dvd would it work/play? |
| 21:43.00 | peppe | kyrsquir: reboot? :) |
| 21:43.12 | peppe | ma3x: no. use vamps / k9copy to shrink it |
| 21:43.17 | kyrsquir | peppe: grub (actually is grub2) says: error: You need to load the kernel first |
| 21:43.46 | peppe | kyrsquir: hm, I don't know grub2... |
| 21:44.01 | jelly-home | also, dvdshrink works nicely in wine |
| 21:44.15 | kyrsquir | peppe: i don't think it matters |
| 21:44.19 | ma3x | thanks peppe |
| 21:44.39 | ma3x | jelly-home: wines for wussies |
| 21:44.44 | ma3x | jelly: just kidding |
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| 21:44.54 | kyrsquir | peppe: what should be done? something like copying the kernel image somewher... |
| 21:44.55 | peppe | kyrsquir: well... you should write something in its "menu.lst", I think :) |
| 21:45.08 | peppe | kyrsquir: nope, it's already installed in /boot/ and so on |
| 21:45.11 | peppe | you should only configure grub |
| 21:45.34 | peppe | (if there isn't and update-grub2 or something like that that already did the job) |
| 21:45.38 | kyrsquir | peppe: are you sure in that? |
| 21:45.53 | kyrsquir | peppe: that the trouble is in grub? |
| 21:45.58 | micols | i wonder why suddenly debian maintainers got in love with grub :) |
| 21:46.01 | pumpkin0 | i'm trying to save some power on a older laptop. It there any way to rduce the frequency and/or voltage of an intel chipset (i855)? I already did the CPU, WLAN and gfx... |
| 21:46.11 | micols | and made that the default :) |
| 21:46.21 | peppe | pumpkin0: install powertop and follow its suggestions |
| 21:46.22 | micols | perhaps because its being developed? |
| 21:46.43 | pumpkin0 | peppe: already did that. I'm now doing the not-so-offical stuff. |
| 21:47.12 | peppe | pumpkin0: hm, maybe look on powertop website, there are some suggestions there |
| 21:47.33 | peppe | kyrsquir: if you upgraded the kernel, the new kernel is already installed and configured, so you need to configure the boot loader in order to boot it |
| 21:47.42 | ma3x | peppe: how does vamps it shrink the dvd? it throws out some chapters? |
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| 21:48.44 | peppe | ma3x: nope, it reencodes the video (look at the vamps site for the tech details). if you want you can do also drop some things like additional audio tracks, subtitles, and so on |
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| 21:49.13 | Chris55 | how do I recover my root password on Debian? I edited the kernal line added init=/bin/sh get in and I cant run passwd to reset it.. Please help |
| 21:49.21 | peppe | kyrsquir: usually under debian the boot loader is automagically configured by update-grub (or similar scripts) |
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| 21:49.29 | madk | !glade |
| 21:49.29 | dpkg | methinks glade is the Gtk+ GUI builder at http://glade.pn.org, or the company that does annoying "Glade plug-ins" commericals, or see <gazpacho> |
| 21:49.30 | ma3x | peppe: i don't need to reencode it. i want like to just cut it a little bit. do you understand? |
| 21:49.30 | peppe | Chris55: what do "passwd" say? |
| 21:49.43 | peppe | ma3x: from 7 gb to 4.7 isn't "a little bit" ;) |
| 21:49.56 | peppe | Chris55: did you remount / rw? |
| 21:49.58 | ma3x | peppe: ok, but i still wanna cut it and not reencode it |
| 21:50.12 | mmlj4 | Chris55: edit /etc/shadow CAREFULLY |
| 21:50.24 | peppe | mmlj4: that's not the point. passwd must work |
| 21:50.36 | peppe | ma3x: AFAIK k9copy lets you to do drop some chapters |
| 21:50.47 | mmlj4 | peppe: i only own a hammer |
| 21:50.55 | peppe | mmlj4: a BIG hammer :D |
| 21:51.03 | mmlj4 | the biggest |
| 21:51.09 | ma3x | peppe: what's k9copy i can't find it |
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| 21:51.33 | jescis | How do I install a onboard ethernet driver(I changed my motherboard from the nonworking PII mobo to a PIII mobo) |
| 21:52.16 | peppe | ma3x: oh, well. it isn't in debian. strange. then, use vamps from command line :) |
| 21:52.18 | jescis | Both motherboards are from the same line and company(Dell) |
| 21:52.34 | mmlj4 | jescis: it's either detected or it's not... i mean, sure, you can go looking for a kernel module or recomplile your kernel, but there isn't usually a need for that in this century |
| 21:53.02 | peppe | jescis: you shouldn't do anything, actually |
| 21:53.11 | peppe | the new NIC should be recognized and used |
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| 21:53.28 | peppe | maybe you have to change some configuration file (udev, interfaces) if the interface changes its name |
| 21:53.32 | dvs | jescis: lscpi | grep -i eth |
| 21:53.48 | dvs | jescis: lspci | grep -i eth |
| 21:54.07 | kyrsquir | have anybody ever had any deal with grub2? |
| 21:54.12 | jpinx | I have no floppy and no CD facilities, but I have a 2nd HDD. How do I put the businesscard .iso on that so that it will boot - and I can then do the install? |
| 21:54.32 | jescis | dvs, thanks |
| 21:54.49 | dvs | jescis: what did it say? |
| 21:55.46 | et | jpinx: tried http://www.google.com/search?q=install+debian+from+hard+drive already? |
| 21:56.15 | Chris55 | peppe: passwd says /bin/sh: passwd not found |
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| 21:56.54 | kyrsquir | omg |
| 21:57.04 | peppe | Chris55: wait; are you in the initrd? did you mount the / filesystem? |
| 21:57.34 | Chris55 | peppe: I tried to mount / but certain commands seem to not work...what should I run for a default debian install to mount / |
| 21:57.35 | kyrsquir | is it normal that the /boot of installed debian is empty during the livecd boot? |
| 21:57.40 | peppe | jpinx: you need that + a working bootloader (lilo, grub, syslinux, whatever) |
| 21:57.57 | peppe | kyrsquir: maybe is on another partition? :) |
| 21:58.08 | jpinx | et: yea - they all need me to boot froma floppy or CD |
| 21:58.16 | kyrsquir | peppe: nope, the right one |
| 21:58.41 | peppe | Chris55: mount /dev/whatever /wherever/you/want/ ; chroot /wherever/you/wanted_before/ ; passwd |
| 21:58.53 | kyrsquir | peppe: /boot shouldn't be empty at any time, isn't it? |
| 21:59.07 | jpinx | peppe: I can partition and write to the 2nd HDD prior to installing debian - |
| 21:59.10 | peppe | kyrsquir: well, the kernels should be there (and grub configuration too, etc.) |
| 21:59.17 | peppe | jpinx: look at the installation manual |
| 21:59.26 | kyrsquir | peppe: emm interesting |
| 21:59.41 | peppe | jpinx: there is a section upon configuring an hard disk in order to install debian |
| 21:59.54 | Chris55 | peppe: can you fill in the blanks for me...im new to debian |
| 21:59.56 | jpinx | peppe: ok - looking (again) |
| 22:00.14 | kyrsquir | peppe: well what can be done if i somehow have it empty? |
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| 22:00.50 | peppe | kyrsquir: start screaming :-) |
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| 22:00.59 | kyrsquir | peppe: already done |
| 22:01.17 | peppe | kyrsquir: seriously, trying to figure out why /boot/ is empty, reinstall a kernel and a boot loader (at least) |
| 22:01.39 | jpinx | peppe: from the installation manual - " Booting the installation system directly from a hard disk is another option for many architectures. This will require some other operating system to load the installer onto the hard disk." |
| 22:01.39 | jpinx | which is why I am here asking ;) |
| 22:01.39 | kyrsquir | peppe: how can i do it from livecd? |
| 22:01.47 | peppe | Chris55: figuring out which is your root partition is a bit complicated to be explained on IRC |
| 22:01.58 | peppe | Chris55: is there anyone that might help you? |
| 22:02.02 | madk | i installed gtkmm and i have the header-files (in /usr/include/gtkmm-2.4/) but c++ tells, it cant find. how do i fix? |
| 22:02.22 | Chris55 | peppe: I figured it wouldnt be too hard since its a default all files in one parition install of debian |
| 22:02.25 | jpinx | it doesn't tell me how to load the installer onto a hdd |
| 22:02.26 | peppe | madk: "c++"? |
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| 22:02.55 | peppe | Chris55: ok, but I don't know if its /dev/hda1 or /dev/sda1 or still something else |
| 22:02.58 | kyrsquir | peppe: aaaah sorry |
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| 22:03.17 | kyrsquir | peppe: it'd all right |
| 22:03.19 | madk | peppe, which c++ /usr/bin/c++ |
| 22:03.26 | kyrsquir | peppe: wrong partition |
| 22:03.29 | Quag7 | Is there a way to have debian rebuild a whole dependency tree for a package? I'm having repetitive, complicated problems here and I'd just like to reinstall gnome ground-up. Is there a way to force this? |
| 22:03.32 | madk | peppe, it's a c++ compiler |
| 22:03.36 | peppe | jpinx: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apas02.html.en#howto-getting-images-hard-disk |
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| 22:05.12 | Quag7 | My problems appear to surround cups which is kind of infurating considering I dont have a printer, and do not want or need print capability for this machine. |
| 22:05.45 | peppe | madk: I mean, "c++ can't find a library" is useless. how are you invoking it? what's the source? |
| 22:06.21 | peppe | Quag7: do you want to remove gnome and reinstall it? |
| 22:06.28 | madk | peppe, http://pastebin.ca/1202115 |
| 22:06.36 | Quag7 | peppe - that would be fine, if that is easiest. |
| 22:06.43 | madk | peppe, i just type c++ main.cc that's it |
| 22:06.44 | peppe | dpkg: remove gnome |
| 22:06.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, remove gnome is aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common |
| 22:06.50 | peppe | dpkg: install gnome |
| 22:06.51 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. |
| 22:06.56 | peppe | Quag7: ^ :) |
| 22:07.35 | peppe | madk: that command line is wrong, you need to study how a C / C++ compiler works. you need to specify include paths and library paths too |
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| 22:08.36 | peppe | madk: sounds like an example taken from somewhere. doesn't it tell you how to compile it? |
| 22:10.38 | madk | peppe, nope, it doesn't. |
| 22:11.03 | madk | peppe, i tried now to compile with -I/usr/include/gtkmm-2.4/ |
| 22:11.19 | madk | peppe, now i have some more errors.... |
| 22:12.20 | Zharf | you still didn't read the book :) |
| 22:12.28 | Zharf | oh well |
| 22:12.32 | Quag7 | Jesus, REMOVE what I tell you to REMOVE. I don't CARE about dependencies. Is there any way to force apt-get to remove what I tell it to remove even if it destroys my system and causes the world to catch fire because that's what I want. It is ignoring the -m switch which I thought did this. |
| 22:12.33 | Zharf | goes t osleep |
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| 22:12.59 | peppe | madk: I think you should study C++ before trying to write something in C++ :) |
| 22:13.38 | Zharf | peppe, correction, study and write standard c++ apps before moving on to non-standard stuff |
| 22:13.39 | peppe | madk: look at pkgconfig --cflags and pkgconfig --libs |
| 22:13.40 | FreakGuard | Activating swapfile swap...[ 19.158441] Unable to find swap-space signature |
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| 22:14.21 | madk | peppe i know a bit of c++ (i know java a bit :) ) but i want to be able to build guis with glade for c++. It's always easyer for me to work with an example. |
| 22:14.34 | amphi | FreakGuard: perhaps you should mkswap it |
| 22:14.54 | peppe | Zharf: oh, I'm very good today, I didn't even say "what?? gtkmm?? use qt!!!" :-PP |
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| 22:15.01 | madk | peppe, i do not have a manpage for pkgconfig |
| 22:15.12 | FreakGuard | amphi, well, it's LUKSed - why can't it just create it? |
| 22:15.34 | madk | !pkgconfig |
| 22:15.35 | dpkg | hmm... pkgconfig is in http://pkgconfig.sourceforge.net, or a helper tool used when compiling applications and libraries. |
| 22:15.48 | peppe | madk: start with some tutorial, but you really need to study c++, it's two orders of magnitude more difficult than java |
| 22:16.44 | dudeman | huh |
| 22:16.47 | dudeman | my pipe |
| 22:17.19 | madk | peppe, do you have a good how-to? i dont have good ones. even on this site: http://gtkmm.org/docs/gtkmm-2.4/docs/tutorial/html/sec-install-unix-and-linux.html it is not explained what i have to do to set the lib-path etc. |
| 22:17.41 | wald0_ | where is that website where are listed the bugs remaining for the release of lenny ? |
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| 22:18.17 | amphi | FreakGuard: no idea |
| 22:18.28 | wols_ | Quag7: you can even remove libc6 if you so desire. stupid to do but easily doable |
| 22:19.11 | Quag7 | no, I just randomly deleted individual files in one of the lib directories and now it is working... |
| 22:19.15 | Quag7 | I think this may get me from A to B. |
| 22:19.24 | FreakGuard | amphi, ah nevermind |
| 22:19.26 | Quag7 | What this machine needs is a reinstall, a complete wipe as it has been running unstable for years. |
| 22:19.32 | peppe | madk: that's about how to install the library |
| 22:19.48 | jpinx | starts to write up a HOWTO for installing on a 2nd HDD. |
| 22:19.56 | peppe | madk: next page |
| 22:19.57 | peppe | :) |
| 22:20.15 | wols_ | refrains from commenting "I just randomly deleted individual files" |
| 22:20.32 | Quag7 | Comment all you want. I've been trying to do this the right way for hours and about a hundred google queries. |
| 22:20.33 | madk | peppe, right |
| 22:20.44 | madk | is sweating... |
| 22:20.47 | madk | :) |
| 22:20.50 | madk | thanks |
| 22:20.53 | Quag7 | I do not have like 3 weeks of unbroken time to unwrap the multiple dependency problems I have so I might as well brute force. |
| 22:20.59 | Supaplex | in smb.conf I've attempted security = user, and share with no luck setting up a public access share. (eg, no authentication required) 20line config is at http://rafb.net/p/96fVgv54.html |
| 22:21.14 | wols_ | Quag7: your first error was to use apt |
| 22:21.18 | Quag7 | Anyway now apt-get upgrade is working. All the files I deleted were part of cups which I don't want or need anyway. |
| 22:21.19 | Quag7 | Maybe |
| 22:21.44 | Quag7 | I've not kept up too much with Debian; this machine is a boring router and I am not a Debian guy. I will make a note to read about newer tools. What do you recommend? Synaptic? |
| 22:22.09 | wols_ | NOT any new tools. dpkg |
| 22:22.43 | Quag7 | The only thing I have ever used dpkg for was installing my homerolled kernels |
| 22:23.04 | Quag7 | I assumed apt-get was just a tool which used dpkg + dependency resolution |
| 22:23.09 | Supaplex | !why aptitude |
| 22:23.09 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 22:23.14 | dudeman | Supaplex, ! |
| 22:23.28 | Quag7 | I shall read the documentation for aptitude and dpkg. |
| 22:23.34 | Quag7 | You have to understand |
| 22:23.54 | Quag7 | While right now I am filled with seething hatred for Debian it is only because the dang Debian machines run years at a time without complaining and I am a bit spoiled by that. |
| 22:24.00 | Supaplex | apt is fine. it should do the hob. |
| 22:24.05 | Quag7 | And I do mean years. |
| 22:24.29 | Quag7 | apt-get update and apt-get upgrade invariably do the trick 99.9999% of the time for me |
| 22:24.30 | Supaplex | seething hatred for that kind of "allow you to be lazy"ness? |
| 22:24.35 | Quag7 | Yeah |
| 22:24.39 | Quag7 | I'm not saying it's rational. |
| 22:24.48 | wols_ | Supaplex: apt can't stand a inconsistent DB. it will scream to high heaven about it. dpkg doesn't give a fuck :) |
| 22:24.49 | Quag7 | If Debian ran on my desktop I'd be more, you know |
| 22:24.49 | Supaplex | oh, okay. hah :P |
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| 22:24.54 | Quag7 | intimate with it |
| 22:25.21 | Quag7 | Really I have a special love for Debian and I take it for granted that way. |
| 22:25.22 | Supaplex | wols_: all tools have their hiccups. |
| 22:25.32 | wols_ | so if you need to get dirty with package management, dpkg it is. you just need to know how to make it consistent in the end again |
| 22:25.38 | V4Nelle | guys can i install unstable packages with aptitude while i have testing? |
| 22:25.53 | wols_ | !tell V4Nelle about ssb |
| 22:25.58 | Quag7 | My router box here had Debian installed in 2003. Soon after I switched to unstable. Then since then, it's been update and upgrade, and only now 5 years later is it giving me problems |
| 22:26.02 | wols_ | V4Nelle: it's possible but not recommended |
| 22:26.09 | Chris55 | peppe: the drive booted and says /dev/hda5 --- what do you suggest i do to boot it now |
| 22:27.57 | stoned | hm |
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| 22:28.34 | jair | guys, i am trying to configure HA on three debian etch 4 last up to date, but I can not find any tutorial around |
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| 22:28.44 | wols_ | !tell Chris55 about i forgot root's password |
| 22:28.54 | V4Nelle | thx wols_ |
| 22:28.59 | jair | I would like to record the process I will be doing so I can post it on youtube etc... |
| 22:29.19 | jair | does anyone knows if linux HA have a channel in IRC? |
| 22:29.39 | stew | jair: #linux-ha |
| 22:30.28 | wald0_ | sigh |
| 22:30.43 | Chris55 | wols_: it says cannot read /proc/mounts |
| 22:30.59 | wols_ | when does it say that as a reponse to what? |
| 22:31.15 | Chris55 | wols_: when I attempt to mount -o remount,rw / |
| 22:31.24 | wols_ | what is currently mounted? |
| 22:31.44 | Chris55 | wols_: not sure im in i've just booted the kernal with init=/bin/sh and this is where I am now |
| 22:31.45 | wols_ | heck, what did you DO? |
| 22:32.01 | Chris55 | wols_: need to change/recover root password |
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| 22:32.05 | amphi | Chris55: mount /proc |
| 22:32.24 | Chris55 | amphi: cannot read /etc/fstab: no such file or directory |
| 22:32.30 | jair | stew: Thank you very much |
| 22:32.35 | jair | I will check that out |
| 22:32.42 | amphi | Chris55: /etc doesn't exist? |
| 22:33.03 | Chris55 | amphi: it exist and contains modprode.d scsi_id.config and udev |
| 22:33.05 | wols_ | Chris55: what was your root= kernel parameter? |
| 22:33.21 | Chris55 | let me reboot and see |
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| 22:34.10 | amphi | Chris55: mount -t proc proc /proc should mount /proc for you |
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| 22:35.23 | eak | hi |
| 22:35.52 | Chris55 | amphi: Mounting proc on /proc failed: Device or resource busy |
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| 22:36.01 | stoned | is there a altgr mapping in default debian install? |
| 22:36.10 | stoned | I try right alt + shift + stuff |
| 22:36.11 | stoned | nothing happens |
| 22:36.51 | micols | no |
| 22:36.56 | micols | you have to execute a shell |
| 22:36.58 | micols | or use remote shell |
| 22:37.08 | micols | you can start a ssh so you can ssh in to the installer |
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| 22:38.21 | hatemsh | hi any one try to downgrade a debian version from lenny to etch? |
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| 22:39.00 | ehtom | I think it will break spectacularly if you try |
| 22:39.09 | ehtom | I tried to downgrade sid to stable once |
| 22:39.09 | jpinx | hatemsh: I seem to remember someone saying that it is really difficult |
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| 22:39.38 | jpinx | hatemsh: save your data and do a new install |
| 22:39.42 | Chris55 | any ideas guy |
| 22:39.43 | Chris55 | guys* |
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| 22:42.28 | hatemsh | i try to do it but without success |
| 22:42.47 | hatemsh | i think i will make a new install |
| 22:43.58 | josh- | <3 new install's |
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| 22:46.06 | hatemsh | josh- i havent a chose (my girl friend need the etch version and she make the upgrade just for test) |
| 22:46.30 | josh- | doh |
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| 22:48.43 | wols_ | hatemsh: need the etch version of what? |
| 22:49.13 | Chris55 | wols_: any ideas for me...cant believe resetting a root password is such a challenge lol |
| 22:49.41 | wols_ | I asked you something |
| 22:50.17 | Chris55 | wols_: says kernal /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 22:50.31 | wols_ | it definitely doesn't say that |
| 22:50.54 | wols_ | and even when it partially does, doesn't tell me what you used for kernel parameters when you booted |
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| 22:51.16 | wols_ | and earlier you said something about /dev/hda5. so what is it? hda5 or hda1? |
| 22:51.41 | Chris55 | wols_: When i boot the system it says /dev/hda5 so i just assumed thats where the install sits |
| 22:52.04 | wols_ | that's rubbish. not whne your above line is the one in menu.lst and it worked before |
| 22:52.43 | wols_ | so find out what your root= parameter said. and/or use the proper one next time you boot |
| 22:53.39 | Chris55 | wols_: where do I check this (sorry im new to this0 |
| 22:53.40 | wols_ | note: that init= is not there to replace your existing parameters. you ADD it |
| 22:53.47 | wols_ | when you boot |
| 22:53.59 | wols_ | caise that is when you see it |
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| 22:54.21 | debee | later |
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| 22:58.21 | hatemsh | wols_ she is working on freedom-ecm |
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| 22:58.50 | wols_ | whatever that is. you can run/install etch packages in sid you know |
| 22:59.11 | daedric | Anyone able to help me with samba in two openvpn connected networks? |
| 22:59.25 | hatemsh | wols_ we try buit freedom refuse to be installed |
| 22:59.50 | wols_ | !tell hatemsh about errors |
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| 23:01.10 | hatemsh | freedom need a special version of apache2 and postgresql |
| 23:01.23 | hatemsh | the error are about apache2 |
| 23:01.41 | wols_ | so install the apache... |
| 23:01.53 | hatemsh | i try to do it |
| 23:02.18 | hatemsh | the install is ok but we cannot make the inisialisation |
| 23:02.33 | hatemsh | (blank page) |
| 23:03.10 | Rambling | I'm thinking about attempting to install Debian on my Core2Duo Macbook Pro since I've been wanting to use a Linux distro for a while now and I want to play with the ion window manager. Is using the 40mb netinstall disk a bad idea? |
| 23:03.46 | wols_ | Rambling: not if you use etchnhalf or similar. mbp hardware might be too new for default etch kernels |
| 23:03.50 | wols_ | e.g. no network drivers |
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| 23:09.01 | Rambling | Perhaps I should have mentioned this: I want to dual boot OS X and Debian, for now. |
| 23:09.46 | hatemsh | Rambling try a virtual debian :) |
| 23:10.05 | Rambling | hatemsh: in VMWare or Parallels? |
| 23:10.35 | wols_ | Rambling: vbox? |
| 23:10.38 | enouf | Rambling: seen the wiki.debian.org about macbook ? |
| 23:11.00 | Rambling | enouf: Yeah. |
| 23:11.16 | enouf | Rambling: the netinstall image size varies greatly depending upon arch |
| 23:11.42 | hatemsh | Rambling Vmware fusion |
| 23:11.52 | enouf | well that's an i386 MacIntel , so |
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| 23:12.10 | torr | anyone knows getsockopt? |
| 23:12.17 | enouf | or i should say x86 |
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| 23:13.17 | wols_ | !tell torr about anyone |
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| 23:13.24 | portablejim | What is the security risk with the 'compromised' SSH keys? |
| 23:14.08 | hatemsh | portablejim any hacker can predict the ssh keys |
| 23:14.21 | wols_ | portablejim: very very very high |
| 23:14.32 | torr | what is the possible return values of the 4th arg in getsockopt, and what are their meaning? anylink? |
| 23:14.41 | wols_ | hatemsh: wrong. attack has been automated now. any moron can do it |
| 23:14.47 | portablejim | so? (sorry about my ignorance) |
| 23:15.19 | Kovensky | portablejim: he can see whatever passes through the connection |
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| 23:16.09 | wols_ | portablejim: the attacker can easily gain access to your PC if you run sshd |
| 23:16.56 | Kovensky | wols_: doesn't it need a password for that? I mean, it has the ssh keys but not the login password; unless it got it from a previous user login |
| 23:17.16 | wols_ | Kovensky: there is only a 32bit key. he can guess that |
| 23:18.30 | Kovensky | torr: man 3 getsockopt |
| 23:19.09 | Kovensky | torr: install manpages-dev if you can't find it |
| 23:19.09 | wols_ | Kovensky: that doesn't explain the parameters. not to mention it's not a debian support question |
| 23:19.20 | wols_ | torr: this is not a programming channel |
| 23:19.29 | torr | humm |
| 23:19.36 | wols_ | get the stevens book |
| 23:19.36 | portablejim | I have been trying to generate new keys. I have gotten ssh-vulnkey to give me 2 keys for root@.... (not compromised) and one for ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub (not compromised). I deleted a key for user@... which was compromised and cannot work out how to get it back. |
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| 23:20.34 | Tramp | wols_: even worse, there are only ~32k different keys (the number of possible PIDs used as entropy) |
| 23:20.51 | torr | Kovensky, its in man 2 getsockopt, and no relevant description |
| 23:21.02 | Kovensky | torr: oh |
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| 23:21.20 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 23:21.22 | wols_ | Tramp: mea culpa. you are right |
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| 23:22.16 | Kovensky | torr: "For getsockopt(), optlen is a value-result argument, initially containingthe size of the buffer pointed to by optval, and modified on return to indicate the actual size of the value returned.", now let's cut the off-topic :) |
| 23:23.08 | Sling | trying to get beryl on my lenny laptop, but when i want to install beryl-manager and emerald-themes, i get errors about unmet dependencies |
| 23:23.32 | Sling | beryl-manager: Depends: beryl but it is not going to be installed |
| 23:23.32 | Sling | etc |
| 23:23.37 | portablejim | Can someone help me? |
| 23:23.57 | karmatronic | Sling: install compiz |
| 23:24.31 | stoned | hGrow a sack, fill it with some balls, magically sprout a reproductive organ, and when you finally have some fallopian or testicular fortitude, come back to the Internet. |
| 23:24.35 | stoned | Until then, be stupid, be old, be lame, and get the fsck off the Internet. |
| 23:24.39 | stoned | uhm |
| 23:24.43 | stoned | this is #debian |
| 23:24.46 | Sling | karmatronic : does that work with a i810 gpu? |
| 23:24.52 | stoned | headdesk |
| 23:24.56 | amphi | Sling: beryl is dead |
| 23:25.02 | stoned | sorry wrong widnow! |
| 23:25.05 | stoned | amphi, pin |
| 23:25.13 | amphi | pon |
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| 23:25.25 | amphi | Sling: should work on i810, just about |
| 23:25.50 | karmatronic | Sling: as long as you use intel driver in Xorg,yeah |
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| 23:26.23 | wols_ | stoned: beryl doesn't exist anymore. compiz-fusion or nothing |
| 23:26.59 | JyZyXEL | wols_ where did i put my bluetooth dongle? |
| 23:27.17 | JyZyXEL | i can't find it anywhere! |
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| 23:28.27 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: sock drawer. left corner |
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| 23:28.43 | JyZyXEL | ohhh |
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| 23:31.08 | portablejim | Anybody know how to generate user@mybox ssh keys? (even keywords would be nice). |
| 23:32.50 | enouf | JyZyXEL: S&M chest, to the left of the whips and chains |
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| 23:33.17 | JyZyXEL | lol |
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| 23:39.44 | evilsporkman1 | projectM closes immediately whenever I try to use it in amarok. All the other libvisual plugins work. what could be the problem? |
| 23:39.48 | lucascoala | hi , could someone help to disable the network-manger |
| 23:40.55 | wols_ | lucascoala: uninstall it |
| 23:41.56 | karmatronic | lucascoala: if youre using gnome,you can specify which interfaces nm is supposed to configure |
| 23:42.05 | karmatronic | lucascoala: through the gnome nm applet |
| 23:42.41 | karmatronic | portablejim: what do u mean ? |
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| 23:44.03 | hatemsh | portablejim upgrade your debian and normaly it should ask you if you would like to regenerate the key |
| 23:44.56 | Sling | hm im following a guide that says something about 'fusion-icon', is this from an old version? |
| 23:45.09 | Sling | since i dont have that file after installing compiz-fusion-gnome |
| 23:45.42 | stoned | huh |
| 23:45.48 | lucascoala | karmatronic thanks |
| 23:45.49 | stoned | enouf, who is bothering me? |
| 23:45.52 | stoned | karmatronic, ! |
| 23:45.57 | stoned | karmatronic, long time no see |
| 23:46.31 | multi_io | has anybody gotten mozilla songbird to play MP3s in Debian? |
| 23:47.01 | multi_io | (songbird installed from the mozilla website) |
| 23:47.13 | portablejim | thenks. |
| 23:47.19 | karmatronic | stoned: yeah.back on track |
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| 23:47.37 | karmatronic | stoned: more linux at work and less at home :) |
| 23:48.09 | extor | If I am copying a partition via dd does the bs= matter if I know the inode size is 4096 instead of 512? Does the bs= have to be exactly the same size as the inodes on the filesystem? |
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| 23:48.19 | karmatronic | Sling: yeah it s gone |
| 23:48.24 | enouf | use 4M extor |
| 23:48.27 | Sling | so just compiz --replace ? |
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| 23:48.39 | karmatronic | compiz --replace & |
| 23:48.42 | Sling | yea ok |
| 23:48.45 | enouf | extor: and no, it doesn't |
| 23:48.48 | extor | enouf, and when I write the image back to disk...then? |
| 23:48.57 | karmatronic | Sling: edited Xorg ? |
| 23:49.04 | enouf | extor: no matter either |
| 23:49.08 | karmatronic | Sling: check glxinfo | grep Dir ? |
| 23:49.08 | extor | enouf, if I am transferring the dd image over ssh then which bs=? Is best for the sake of compression? |
| 23:49.39 | Sadistt0 | where i can find database or scripts what are used on apt/dpkg bots ? |
| 23:49.43 | lucascoala | 1024 |
| 23:49.44 | enouf | extor: 4M is good, because it's the size of a kernel page .. same when using cp |
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| 23:50.29 | Gast_48_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/9569667/ |
| 23:50.30 | Gast_48_ | pls |
| 23:50.31 | Gast_48_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/9569667/ |
| 23:50.33 | Gast_48_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/9569667/http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/9569667/ |
| 23:50.33 | Gast_48_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/9569667/ |
| 23:50.34 | Gast_48_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/9569667/ |
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| 23:50.42 | karmatronic | see you |
| 23:50.49 | Sling | karmatronic : thats not giving anything |
| 23:50.54 | extor | If my filesystem is 90% blank...then the image will compress quite well with a 4M bs, right? Remember I am transferring this over sshfs |
| 23:51.02 | Sling | i enabled composite in xorg |
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| 23:51.21 | micols | sshfs that sounds like a nice overhead :) |
| 23:51.24 | karmatronic | Sling: do you have direct rendering ? |
| 23:51.40 | karmatronic | micols: yeah it rules !ç |
| 23:51.47 | wols_ | enouf: a kernel page is 4k |
| 23:51.48 | Sling | yes |
| 23:52.00 | micols | karmatronic: it was ironic ;) |
| 23:52.04 | extor | well how else can I compress it over the wire? sshfs has an option to compress the stuff but something like netcat does not |
| 23:52.09 | enouf | [19:52:25] Ignoring *!*@78.49.50.45 ... what a relief! |
| 23:52.28 | karmatronic | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.29 | karmatronic | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.56 | karmatronic | Sling: you need that in Xorg.conf, in an extension section |
| 23:53.01 | zzz | extor: You should create a very large file containing zeros and then remove it make sure that the filesystem compresses well. (Do this: dd if=/dev/zero of=/somewhere/in/the/filesystem/empty.bin bs=1024k ; sleep 1; rm -f /somewhere/in/the/fileystem/empty.bin) |
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| 23:53.14 | zzz | "remove it to make sure" .... |
| 23:53.39 | extor | zzz I already did that, hence my claim that the filesystem is 95% zeroed out :) |
| 23:53.44 | micols | extor: i can think of very few reasons to compress over the wire :) |
| 23:53.47 | zzz | extor: Or you might use partimage, which only copies the used data. |
| 23:54.05 | extor | micols, one of those few reasons is that my drive contains only 5% data |
| 23:54.27 | extor | zzz this is for forenzic evaluation to check to see if I have been compromized and if so how badly and where |
| 23:54.48 | micols | extor: i dont get it |
| 23:54.57 | zzz | extor: Oh, I see. But then you shouldn't have filled it with zeros! You might have covered up some of the evidence! |
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| 23:55.25 | micols | there is a law against protecting your data from the government |
| 23:56.00 | extor | micols, oh ok |
| 23:56.00 | hatemsh | micols starting 911 all lows are brocken |
| 23:56.11 | micols | here in our country we have to keep log files for a year due to anti-terror laws |
| 23:56.29 | micols | so lots of diskspace is needed :) |
| 23:56.34 | Sling | hm it didnt like the Section "Extension" |
| 23:56.38 | extor | zzz I know that but transmitting 160 gigs over the internats was just not an option...so I just want to examine what is there NOW to make sure I am not rooted, ya see? |
| 23:56.59 | karmatronic | Sling: Section "Extensions" |
| 23:57.05 | extor | micols, I heard a rumor the govt wasnt the only party hackin peoples pewters |
| 23:57.07 | karmatronic | Sling: with an s |
| 23:57.11 | zzz | extor: I see. |
| 23:57.12 | Sling | ok :) |
| 23:57.48 | micols | praises GOD for his 4096 encryptin directly in vim without tmp files or swap , only buffers :) |
| 23:58.56 | extor | Is it possible for me to create a 50 gig BLANK file...and then mount that fifty gig blank file as a loopback device with rw permissions and format it with ext3? |
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| 23:59.21 | Sling | karmatronic : wobbly windows are smooth now, guess the i810 can handle it |
| 23:59.22 | micols | you could look into nbd if you want to access devices from the machine remotely |
| 23:59.49 | karmatronic | Sling: so it s working ? |
| 23:59.52 | Sling | yup |
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| 23:59.57 | karmatronic | Sling: :) |
