| 00:00.11 | muddd | ah, cron, yes thats a good idea |
| 00:00.26 | muddd | ty |
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| 00:03.41 | Wyzard | nolimitsoya: You may find http://www.daefeatures.co.uk/search.php useful |
| 00:03.58 | Wyzard | nolimitsoya: It doesn't seem to have any info about my Lite-On drives, but it says my Samsung SH-S203B does not cache |
| 00:04.18 | muddd | ugh, lite-on, had one of those |
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| 00:04.52 | muddd | brb |
| 00:04.56 | themill | muddd: your desktop environment can probably also do it on login for you, e.g. stick a script or desktop file in ~/.kde/Autostart/ |
| 00:05.07 | muddd | eh ah ok |
| 00:05.27 | themill | !tmtowtdi |
| 00:05.28 | dpkg | There's More Than One Way To Do It (in Perl, or....) |
| 00:06.54 | nolimitsoya | Wyzard, thank you. my drive isnt listed, however, cdparanoia 10.2 claims to handle caching drives better than 10.0 that im using now, so im in the process of emerging it on my gentoo system. im also in the process of going to bed as im due to be at work in a few hours, so this will be a task for the new day rising |
| 00:07.20 | Wyzard | hehe, good luck |
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| 00:45.55 | polishpaul_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:47.11 | gbp | hello, does anyone know a way i can make apt/dpkg ignore certain packages when i perform 'upgrade' ? I've searched google and what not without much luck |
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| 00:48.11 | polishpaul_ | have you looked for a config file for apt? |
| 00:48.52 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell gbp -about hold |
| 00:49.03 | gbp | yeah i have tried to get /etc/apt/preferences to do it |
| 00:51.02 | dmoerner | gbp: holding is definitely the most seemless way to handle what you want. if you are interested in a one-time stop, you can either run aptitude upgrade and then use ":package" to hold packages temporarily |
| 00:51.16 | gbp | i see |
| 00:52.36 | gbp | dmoerner: what's happening is, i have compiled my own kernel and don't want to use apt to upgrade my image, and obviously whenever i do apt update and upgrade, it wants to upgrade "linux-doc-2.6.18", "linux-image-2.6.18-6-486" and "linux-image-2.6.18-6-k7", even though I have have already installed 2.6.27-rc6-git3 |
| 00:52.39 | dmoerner | or put together a little script like "aptitude install $(aptitude search ~U | grep -v "package" | cut -c 5- | awk '{print $1}' | xargs) but thats obviously a bit lame |
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| 00:53.05 | dmoerner | gbp: that's because you have the metapackages installed: just aptitude remove linux-image-2.6-k7 or whatever the name is |
| 00:54.08 | gbp | didn't think of that.. I am stupid |
| 00:55.00 | gbp | dmoerner: yep that was the answer, thanks.. next time I will use my brain |
| 00:56.14 | gbp | i have one more question too that you might be able to help me with |
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| 00:57.43 | gbp | the other day I saw a message saying there was a sigsegv error from glibc |
| 00:58.06 | gbp | just trying to find it |
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| 00:59.38 | polishpaul_ | how do i find out what user ran a proccess? |
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| 01:00.27 | dmoerner | polishpaul_: ps -ef, or ps aux |
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| 01:01.21 | polishpaul_ | dmoerner, how about when the process has stopped running? :) |
| 01:01.26 | polishpaul_ | but i knwo the PID? |
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| 01:01.56 | djs | Hey all. Just did an install of Etchnhalf on my lappy, and do not have wireless. I tried the instructions listed to install madwifi to no avail, so I reinstalled, and am asking here now. |
| 01:03.51 | zeitsofa | hello - how i can use cryptsetup-luks with lenny ? i can't find the command after installation cryptsetup and dm-crypt and with apt i cant find packages |
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| 01:04.33 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell zeitsofa -about luks |
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| 01:06.49 | zeitsofa | dmoerner: /window 11 |
| 01:06.53 | zeitsofa | ups |
| 01:06.56 | zeitsofa | sorry |
| 01:07.00 | dmoerner | zeitsofa: i do it all the time |
| 01:07.40 | zeitsofa | :) |
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| 01:12.47 | Orbixx | What is the package name to use to install the binary located at /usr/bin/mail ? |
| 01:13.25 | zeitsofa | dmoerner: thx a lot :) |
| 01:13.57 | gbp | sendmail? |
| 01:14.31 | Orbixx | It's one that will allow me to send mail from command line. |
| 01:14.45 | Orbixx | Forgot the name of it now. |
| 01:15.00 | Orbixx | *mail* |
| 01:15.25 | gbp | mailx? |
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| 01:15.35 | Orbixx | gbp: Spot on. |
| 01:15.36 | Orbixx | Thank you. |
| 01:15.42 | gbp | np |
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| 01:15.57 | jpinx | when I chroot into an OS on another partition can I bring up eth0 and connect to the internet, even though the original OS ic connected already? I can't find a way to do this. |
| 01:16.37 | gbp | jpinx: your question is confusing |
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| 01:18.18 | jpinx | gpb: sorry - I have installed another debian on a separate partition with debootstrap and I want to apttitude install more packages, but I'm not getting a connection to the internet when I chroot into it |
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| 01:20.18 | dmoerner | jpinx: copy over /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 01:20.43 | jpinx | dmoerner: just did that and it worked :D |
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| 01:21.18 | willluongo | Hello, I've been trying to find a place that shows what versions of packages are included in the different release points (for example, kde in etch). Am I missing this somewhere in packages.debian.org? |
| 01:21.21 | jpinx | when I apt-get install stuff while chrooted will they install correctly on that 2nd OS/ |
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| 01:21.56 | dmoerner | jpinx: if you built it with debootstrap and have sufficient privileges to write to /proc or whatever when needed, then yes |
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| 01:23.02 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell willluongo -about cd contents |
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| 01:24.20 | jpinx | dmoerner: I am geting series of errors abotu locale not being set - where do i sort that out? |
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| 01:25.15 | jpinx | dmoerner: also getting invoke-rc.d: enabling safe mode: initscript policy layer disabled |
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| 01:26.08 | dmoerner | jpinx: aptitude install locales and dpkg-reconfigure locales if needed. in terms of the second error, that's because you can't really "start up" a chroot, so the idea of having initscripts start at runlevels doesn't make sense |
| 01:26.49 | jpinx | dmoerner: cool thanks |
| 01:26.57 | jpinx | goes back to more instell |
| 01:27.07 | dvs | instell? |
| 01:27.17 | jpinx | can I run an x session when I'm chrooted? |
| 01:28.36 | dmoerner | jpinx: yes |
| 01:28.54 | jpinx | cool - thanks |
| 01:29.29 | jpinx | does more install |
| 01:29.29 | dmoerner | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html 8.6.35.3 |
| 01:29.29 | dmoerner | actually that's a guide for sarge so it will take some work to change for xorg |
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| 01:30.53 | jpinx | ok - reading |
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| 01:34.47 | jpinx | configs locales |
| 01:35.18 | ehtom | how can I make /dev/dsp not busy? |
| 01:35.45 | abrotman | unload the modules |
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| 01:38.08 | jpinx | dmoerner: that's worked - thanks |
| 01:38.16 | jpinx | moves on to X |
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| 01:39.26 | jpinx | do I have to use xdm as well as xorg? |
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| 01:42.58 | dvs | jpinx: you don't have to use xdm |
| 01:44.35 | jpinx | dvs: just xorg and xfce4 ? |
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| 01:44.58 | dvs | jpinx: that works |
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| 01:45.41 | jpinx | dvs: cool - thanks - all goes towards a slim X system ;) |
| 01:45.46 | dvs | np |
| 01:46.04 | jpinx | looks around for a slim graphical browser |
| 01:47.15 | abrotman | flash required? |
| 01:47.17 | cilkay | Hello. I added "auto file=preseed.cfg" before the "--" in the "install" stanza of syslinux.cfg on my USB key. When I boot from the key, it seems to ignore the preseed.cfg file and proceeds to do a normal netinstall. What am I missing? |
| 01:47.44 | cilkay | I also tried file=./preseed.cfg. The file is at the root of the USB boot device. |
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| 01:59.59 | jpinx | abrotman: I need a browser to use gmail, which I believe uses javascript and flash, but I'm not sure what functionality I lose without flash |
| 02:00.09 | abrotman | gmail doesn't use flash |
| 02:00.20 | jpinx | cool - no flash then |
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| 02:00.58 | abrotman | i can't recall if dillo has javascript support or not |
| 02:01.16 | jpinx | googles dillo |
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| 02:02.38 | PhrkOnLsh | is there anyway to insert the currently open file into a vim command? |
| 02:03.10 | christefano | currently open in what? |
| 02:03.15 | PhrkOnLsh | in vim |
| 02:03.26 | abrotman | the whole file? |
| 02:03.34 | christefano | you want to reopen a file that's open in vim? |
| 02:03.36 | PhrkOnLsh | filename, sorry |
| 02:03.56 | PhrkOnLsh | no, I want a command that will write the file, then execute !latex $file, where $file is the file nae |
| 02:03.59 | PhrkOnLsh | name* |
| 02:04.03 | dvs | so you really want to select all for a vim command? |
| 02:04.46 | stew | PhrkOnLsh: ask #vim |
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| 02:04.52 | PhrkOnLsh | ok, stew |
| 02:05.29 | christefano | !$ returns the last argument used with a command |
| 02:08.24 | jpinx | I'm chrooted into a 2nd Debian OS and installing stuff. How do I run config grub without borking the host grub - I intend to remove this HDD and use it in another machine.? |
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| 02:10.26 | meme03847 | how "unstable" are the packages in the unstable repo? |
| 02:10.35 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 02:10.35 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 02:11.04 | meme03847 | well i need a program thats only available in it |
| 02:11.23 | gravity | meme03847: Not very, but it can bite you very hard from time to time. There's also frequently small things broken. |
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| 02:11.31 | jpinx | !tell meme03847 about backports |
| 02:11.54 | gravity | meme03847: Unless you're willing to deal with breakages it's really not the best idea. If you're willing to do so to play or learn or do development and testing then unstable may be a good choice |
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| 02:12.23 | meme03847 | wow thats a cool bot thing |
| 02:12.38 | gravity | I had a grub breakage in unstable that put that partition out of comission for a month, as a recent example |
| 02:12.41 | gravity | I only just got it fixed |
| 02:13.28 | meme03847 | yikes |
| 02:13.45 | jpinx | meme03847: sid is basically unstable, but some of the packages are not "too" bad. Read it up on backports.org. You might risk Lenny if you're not in a production environment |
| 02:13.46 | abrotman | still prefers the pam breakage to scare people off :) |
| 02:13.49 | gravity | Well, I had to fix it myself and I wasn't willing to put in the work over the last month. That's a good example. |
| 02:13.53 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, that was a nightmare. |
| 02:13.59 | abrotman | jpinx: what does sid have to do with backports.org ? |
| 02:14.20 | dudeman | you should be saing !dnuts |
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| 02:14.59 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 02:14.59 | jpinx | !tell abrotman about simple sid backport |
| 02:15.03 | jpinx | heh |
| 02:15.07 | abrotman | jpinx: that isn't related to backports.org |
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| 02:15.41 | curtis | can anyone help me with getting music off my ipod touch? and put it onto my computer? |
| 02:15.44 | abrotman | AFAIK .. bpo is backports of stuff from testing to stable |
| 02:16.15 | jpinx | reading the bot is seems to say that there are packages in sid available for backporting |
| 02:16.26 | jpinx | but I might well be wrong |
| 02:16.30 | dudeman | jpinx, ehh not quite |
| 02:16.34 | abrotman | if you do it yourself |
| 02:16.41 | abrotman | and i'm still not sure what that has to do with the original question |
| 02:16.42 | dudeman | backports are testin based afaik |
| 02:16.53 | jpinx | yea - backporting is not just about backports.org ;) |
| 02:16.55 | dudeman | and ssb is for you, you can ssb from testing too |
| 02:16.55 | curtis | abrotman. are you talking to me? |
| 02:16.57 | dudeman | same thing |
| 02:16.58 | abrotman | no |
| 02:17.12 | abrotman | jpinx: if the packages in unstable are .. broken .. what good will backporting them do? |
| 02:17.41 | dudeman | unstable is unstable |
| 02:17.42 | jpinx | I backported PHP5 ages ago into Sarge when it was not on backports.org |
| 02:17.50 | curtis | can anyone help me? |
| 02:17.54 | abrotman | curtis: google? |
| 02:17.55 | dudeman | how unstable are the packages in sid? as stable as unstable packages could me. |
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| 02:17.57 | dudeman | be* |
| 02:18.05 | abrotman | jpinx: you're not helping |
| 02:18.07 | curtis | abrotman: i have tried |
| 02:18.19 | meme03847 | hey thanks guys, i fould a backport and installed it, the program is deluge btw |
| 02:18.28 | dudeman | deluge-torrent ahh yes |
| 02:18.42 | dudeman | I remember the lead developer |
| 02:18.42 | dudeman | markybob |
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| 02:18.42 | dudeman | cool dude |
| 02:18.44 | dudeman | #deluge |
| 02:18.53 | dudeman | im gonna go say hi |
| 02:19.04 | abrotman | curtis: "ipod touch linux" .. first one seems helpful |
| 02:19.11 | meme03847 | dudeman, k |
| 02:19.18 | meme03847 | dudeman, dude |
| 02:19.35 | dudeman | man... |
| 02:19.47 | meme03847 | rofl, rofl |
| 02:20.04 | gravity | curtis: You should just be able to plug it in and have it act like a USB drive |
| 02:20.05 | abrotman | someone that speaks your language .. |
| 02:20.49 | dudeman | shakes his head |
| 02:20.51 | dudeman | grow up. |
| 02:21.02 | abrotman | poor boy ... |
| 02:21.16 | curtis | gravity: it does not show up as an usb |
| 02:21.28 | dudeman | curtis, lsusb? |
| 02:21.35 | dudeman | how do yo know it doesn't show up? |
| 02:21.41 | curtis | type that in terminal? |
| 02:21.45 | dudeman | yes |
| 02:21.49 | jpinx | I'm chrooted into a 2nd Debian OS and installing stuff. How do I run config grub without borking the host grub - I intend to remove this HDD and use it in another machine.? |
| 02:21.49 | dudeman | install pciutils package first |
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| 02:22.04 | curtis | ok |
| 02:22.26 | dudeman | there is no grub config |
| 02:22.30 | abrotman | yes there is |
| 02:22.36 | dudeman | you mean update-grub? |
| 02:22.45 | abrotman | are you joking? |
| 02:22.48 | dudeman | no |
| 02:22.58 | dudeman | I'm serious I've never heard of a grub configing util |
| 02:23.20 | abrotman | i'm sure kde has one .. gnome does |
| 02:23.26 | dudeman | oh those |
| 02:23.30 | dudeman | I thought it was a cli thing |
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| 02:23.34 | dudeman | from a grub package or soemthing |
| 02:23.42 | curtis | dudeman. http://paste.debian.net/17274/ |
| 02:24.14 | dudeman | curtis, it shows up |
| 02:24.21 | jpinx | I need to configure grub so that I can remove the original hdd and boot from the one I am currently installing the OS on |
| 02:24.32 | curtis | dudeman. but not as a usb device |
| 02:24.41 | dudeman | curtis, dude... man |
| 02:24.47 | jpinx | I don't have KDE or Grub - just xfce4 |
| 02:24.56 | curtis | ? |
| 02:24.59 | dudeman | try fdisk -l perhaps (im not sure how to list what device node has been assigned to the usb disk) |
| 02:25.14 | dudeman | I'm pretty much a noob myself |
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| 02:25.33 | curtis | goes to the next line |
| 02:25.39 | dudeman | curtis, as root |
| 02:25.42 | dudeman | :) |
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| 02:26.43 | dudeman | jpinx, do you know how to partition and/or how they work in grub? |
| 02:26.47 | curtis | http://paste.debian.net/17275 |
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| 02:27.15 | dudeman | jpinx, just figure out what you need to, and modify the config yoruself.. as long as you have grub on the mbr on this disk, you can use the grub command line to boot the kernel/ramdisk |
| 02:27.38 | dudeman | curtis, you have the usb modules loaded? |
| 02:27.45 | abrotman | curtis: so it's showing up in lsusb .. if you look in dmesg .. does it give it a drive letter? |
| 02:27.55 | dudeman | drive letter... heh. |
| 02:27.56 | abrotman | erm .. device |
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| 02:28.13 | curtis | noob... what do you want me 2 do? |
| 02:28.20 | dudeman | lol |
| 02:28.26 | abrotman | curtis: type .. dmesg |
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| 02:28.34 | dudeman | listen to abortman while I pour a drink |
| 02:29.18 | curtis | k thanks |
| 02:29.38 | fquit | This time, when I try to build-ca, I get "you must define key_dir" error, please help |
| 02:29.41 | curtis | http://paste.debian.net/17276/ |
| 02:29.53 | dudeman | fquit, again... |
| 02:29.55 | dudeman | hehehe |
| 02:30.33 | fquit | dudeman Read the docs couple of times :( |
| 02:30.41 | jpinx | dudeman: that's fine I can do the partitioning thing and all, but how do I get the mbr written on a hdd which is not the primary hdd on the system |
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| 02:30.50 | abrotman | curtis: did you plug in your ipod ? |
| 02:30.59 | curtis | yes it is pluged in |
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| 02:31.37 | dudeman | jpinx, simple |
| 02:31.45 | dudeman | hold on let me query bot |
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| 02:32.15 | curtis | abrotman:? |
| 02:32.16 | dudeman | !fixmbr |
| 02:32.17 | dpkg | To reinstall boot loader simply boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" Also ask me about <dual boot guide>. |
| 02:32.39 | abrotman | curtis: what's your kernel ? |
| 02:32.42 | dudeman | obviously you'll skip the first few steps |
| 02:32.55 | curtis | curtis=noob how can i find out? |
| 02:33.07 | dudeman | curtis, uname -a |
| 02:33.16 | dudeman | -r |
| 02:33.30 | curtis | 2.6.24-19-generic |
| 02:33.36 | dudeman | go to #ubuntu! |
| 02:33.43 | dudeman | fucking wasting our time. |
| 02:33.54 | dudeman | grumbles... |
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| 02:34.25 | curtis | what should i do now? |
| 02:34.31 | dudeman | curtis, /join #ubuntu |
| 02:34.47 | dudeman | curtis, you are clearly using a ubuntu hardy kernel |
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| 02:35.10 | dudeman | curtis, you should not go to McDonalds and ask for a Tripple Whopper. |
| 02:35.25 | fquit | dudeman Grr .. I'm going for pptp, it's insecure as opposed to l2tp/ipsec, since there isn't any header compression and tunnel authentication, but i need vpn to work =) |
| 02:35.40 | dudeman | fquit, good luck :) |
| 02:35.57 | curtis | i am just asking you for help no 1 in ubuntu could help |
| 02:36.07 | dudeman | !ubuntu |
| 02:36.08 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 02:36.15 | fquit | dudeman thanks buddy =) |
| 02:36.17 | abrotman | curtis: that's not our problem .. please go to #ubuntu or ask ##linux |
| 02:36.19 | dudeman | curtis, try ##linux |
| 02:36.32 | curtis | please can you continue to help me? |
| 02:36.34 | abrotman | curtis: that's not our problem .. please go to #ubuntu or ask ##linux |
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| 02:36.46 | curtis | i have debian installed at computer at home |
| 02:36.48 | n-iCe | What program can I use to create jails? |
| 02:36.59 | abrotman | curtis: really .. ask #ubuntu |
| 02:37.03 | dudeman | curtis, as much I feel for you, I can't go against the channel policy. |
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| 02:37.23 | dudeman | curtis, please, if you #ubuntu is unable to help you |
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| 02:37.27 | dudeman | then you should realize that they suck |
| 02:37.31 | dudeman | as well as ubuntu itself |
| 02:37.41 | dudeman | curtis, install debian and I'll help you ALL DAY LONG |
| 02:37.47 | dudeman | no problems |
| 02:37.51 | dudeman | !d-i curtis |
| 02:37.52 | dpkg | curtis, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:37.55 | dudeman | !tell curtis -about ig |
| 02:38.00 | stew | enough |
| 02:38.05 | dudeman | curtis, enjoy. Please refrain from messaging me. |
| 02:38.17 | stew | dudeman: please drop it |
| 02:38.37 | curtis | sorry for bothering you guys have a nice night |
| 02:38.44 | gravity | dudeman: The point isn't to berate Ubuntu users. The point is to get them the appropriate help for their problem |
| 02:38.52 | dudeman | stew, you usually always tell people to stop after they have already stopped. Do you just like to get a word in? make your presence known? whats up? |
| 02:39.00 | dudeman | gravity, I am sorry. That was my mistake. |
| 02:39.08 | gravity | dudeman: The #ubuntu people know more about his system than #debian people. That's why he should go there. Not because anyone or anything sucks. |
| 02:39.16 | curtis | i was just making a special day for my dad |
| 02:39.22 | dudeman | gravity, I am aware of that. I just got a bit carried away. |
| 02:39.26 | dudeman | gravity, it wont' hapen again. |
| 02:39.29 | gravity | dudeman: Thanks |
| 02:39.32 | dudeman | np |
| 02:39.34 | gravity | Anyway... |
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| 02:40.00 | curtis | the music is on a windows computer that that formated on a accident and install debian |
| 02:40.02 | gravity | curtis: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4112903 |
| 02:40.13 | curtis | and that and that computer is at home i am on vactation |
| 02:40.21 | gravity | curtis: That should help you along. You may want to post to the ubnut forums or ask again in #ubuntu with that thread being a guide for you |
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| 02:40.34 | jpinx | dudeman: that is all about fixing the mbr on hda1. I am wanting to write a new mbr on hdc1 which is a seperate physical hdd that will be used as a primary in this laptop when I swap them over |
| 02:40.59 | n-iCe | What program can I use to create jails? |
| 02:41.05 | gravity | curtis: You may want to google around a bit more in the future though. It'll get you help faster than IRC quite often in my experience, especially when the channel doesn't respond |
| 02:41.06 | dudeman | jpinx, so? mount that disk to /target and grub install on /target |
| 02:41.26 | jpinx | hmm |
| 02:41.42 | dudeman | make an ext3 fs on whatever disk you want, mount it, and install grub to it from your system |
| 02:41.44 | jpinx | backs up all the grub files before doing anything |
| 02:41.57 | curtis | i would do this on the desktop with debian but then i would have to transfer FTP so this would really help if you could help me |
| 02:42.17 | curtis | if i use that forum i have to format the Ipod and i dont have itunes |
| 02:42.20 | gravity | thought he did help |
| 02:42.29 | abrotman | curtis: stop asking here .. go to #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 02:42.36 | curtis | ok |
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| 02:43.59 | doublehp | is there a replacement for gscanbus ? or, how to install it ? http://rafb.net/p/KRzvFf42.html |
| 02:45.03 | gravity | I love when I *hand* them the link on the silver platter and they ignore it |
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| 02:54.13 | dudeman | heh |
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| 03:01.01 | n-iCe | !jail |
| 03:01.01 | dpkg | [jail] only in bsd. see <vserver> |
| 03:01.07 | n-iCe | !vserver |
| 03:01.07 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. It's comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones. http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver |
| 03:01.17 | dudeman | !msg the bot |
| 03:01.17 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 03:01.32 | n-iCe | !chroot |
| 03:01.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
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| 03:03.01 | jpinx | grub has hung at Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub |
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| 03:04.55 | Samonoske | Hey. When i run apt-get install (packages) it goes through the processes...then it says after unpacking x amount of space will be used...i hit y..but then it says abort... any suggestions? |
| 03:05.47 | dmoerner | jpinx: are you running grub inside chroot from before? |
| 03:06.08 | jpinx | dmoerner: yes |
| 03:06.48 | dmoerner | why? that won't do anything |
| 03:06.51 | unfo | Hi all. AFAICT there isn't a shooting gallery game[1] in Debian. Should I be surprised? |
| 03:07.03 | jpinx | that was the advice given :( |
| 03:07.26 | zinx | unfo: there is xbill |
| 03:07.33 | unfo | ^ [1]. similar to http://www.microprizes.com/mp35.htm (requires Java or IcedTea browser plugin) in which you shoot down ducks or other animals which are moving in rows by clicking on them, similar to a shooting gallery at a fair) |
| 03:07.34 | jpinx | ^c's the process |
| 03:07.41 | unfo | zinx: hmm, let me look |
| 03:07.47 | zinx | unfo: oh, not the same thing :P |
| 03:08.13 | jpinx | dmoerner: I would like an mbr written to my 2nd physical hdd so that I can swap them around |
| 03:08.25 | unfo | zinx: is that like viruskiller? |
| 03:08.39 | dmoerner | jpinx: but don't run it from within the chroot. just run it from a normal shell |
| 03:09.18 | jpinx | dmoerner: as in grub-install /dev/hdc ? |
| 03:09.22 | dmoerner | jpinx: you should be aware that deboostrap does not auto-generate /etc/kernel-img.conf per debian policy so you will have to create that file if you want to boot into the chroot from grub and upgrade the kernels from that install |
| 03:09.46 | dmoerner | jpinx: why can't you use your current hdd's grub install and just point one target to another partition? |
| 03:10.12 | jpinx | because I am going to physically remove my current primary hdd |
| 03:10.24 | dmoerner | in that case just run grub-install yes |
| 03:11.01 | jpinx | do I have to sort out /etc/kernel-img.conf first? |
| 03:11.07 | jpinx | and how will I do that? |
| 03:11.08 | dmoerner | no |
| 03:11.26 | jpinx | what does that do? |
| 03:11.59 | dmoerner | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en#id2551387 |
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| 03:12.05 | jpinx | I've installed debain loads of times and never had such a hard time as debootstrap is giving me |
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| 03:15.30 | unfo | is the bot here the same bot with the same factoids built-in as on irc.oftc.net #debian? |
| 03:16.22 | dmoerner | yes |
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| 03:22.43 | jpinx | dmoerner: grub-install just hangs again |
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| 03:24.27 | jpinx | wonders how long to leave grub-install churning |
| 03:24.46 | unfo | jpinx: try --no-floppy, or bash -vx grub-install |
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| 03:26.47 | jpinx | unfo: ok -ta |
| 03:27.08 | unfo | jpinx: what? |
| 03:27.14 | unfo | what is "ta"? :) |
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| 03:28.12 | Beck | how can I find out why an fs didn't mount from fstab? |
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| 03:30.13 | jpinx | unfo - ta = thank you |
| 03:31.17 | dudeman | why not ty? |
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| 03:36.32 | TheViral | hi, I am trying to mount my vista drive read only when it cannot mount normally due to needing to run chkdsk |
| 03:36.37 | TheViral | how do Ido this? |
| 03:36.41 | TheViral | this is my fstab: |
| 03:36.42 | TheViral | http://pastebin.com/d3ef40ad7 |
| 03:37.21 | simonrvn | tried mount -t ntfs /dev/whatever /some/mountpoint ? |
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| 03:37.51 | simonrvn | obviously you need ntfs stuff to do that... |
| 03:38.05 | jpinx | dudeman: slang is different in different countries ;) |
| 03:38.17 | simonrvn | and why can't you boot from cd and run chkdsk from there? |
| 03:38.23 | TheViral | I have the ntfs stuff since it has mounted before but it tells me I need to run chkdsk in windows most of the time |
| 03:38.28 | simonrvn | (that's a ##windows issue...) |
| 03:38.33 | TheViral | well, I have dual boot so I know I can fix it |
| 03:38.47 | TheViral | I just want to be able to mount as read only on the times it doesn't work |
| 03:38.55 | jpinx | TheViral: are you using ntfs or ntfs-3g? |
| 03:39.00 | TheViral | it tells me I can force it but it could be hazardous |
| 03:39.11 | TheViral | um, I think it's ntfs-3g if I remember correctly |
| 03:39.18 | jpinx | ntfs is read-only |
| 03:39.24 | simonrvn | so do -o ro ; man mount |
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| 03:39.50 | jpinx | but ntfs-3g is rw and will cause Windows to do that dskchk |
| 03:39.53 | simonrvn | used to be hazardous, in some older kernels |
| 03:40.24 | simonrvn | /dev/hde1 /media/hde 37644.5 8337.1 29307.4 22% ntfs |
| 03:40.49 | jpinx | TheViral: edit your /etc/fstab and replace all references to ntfs-3g with just ntfs |
| 03:41.02 | jpinx | I had the same problem - it's a pita |
| 03:41.08 | Beck | what's the equivalent of 'mount -t cifs -o username=name,password=pass //192.168.0.1/share /mnt/a' for fstab, this doesn't work: |
| 03:41.16 | simonrvn | yes it is |
| 03:41.20 | TheViral | in my fstab it's ntfs-fuse |
| 03:41.21 | Beck | //192.168.0.1 /mnt/a cifs rw,mand,username=name,password=pass 0 0 |
| 03:41.46 | jpinx | TheViral - replace all references to ntfs-fuse with just ntfs |
| 03:41.51 | TheViral | ok |
| 03:42.17 | jpinx | ntfs can *not* mount rw and doesn't make windows paranoid |
| 03:43.13 | TheViral | ok, now it doesn't complain...but it also doesn't seem to be mounting :) |
| 03:43.28 | TheViral | is there anything I need to install |
| 03:43.32 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.33 | Beck | *//192.168.0.1/tmp |
| 03:44.14 | jpinx | TheViral: maybe try manually mounting it with ntfs and -o force |
| 03:45.48 | TheViral | it tells me it is already mounted but I cannot see it anywhere.... |
| 03:45.51 | jpinx | TheViral: one other thing - you'll need to let windows do it's checking now before remounting - sorry I forgot that bit ;) |
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| 03:46.13 | simonrvn | mount; to see |
| 03:46.20 | TheViral | I see it in the system monitor...heh |
| 03:46.42 | TheViral | I see it in my mount list |
| 03:47.16 | TheViral | I figure it'll work then next time |
| 03:47.23 | TheViral | ok, another problem :) |
| 03:47.36 | TheViral | I recently moved my external drive in to my new desktop |
| 03:47.47 | TheViral | the two drives show up mounted and I can access them |
| 03:47.51 | TheViral | but they are only RO |
| 03:48.02 | TheViral | and in gParted the drive shows up unpartitioned! |
| 03:48.16 | jpinx | what filesystem and mount commands? |
| 03:48.18 | TheViral | I see all the files in nautilus though |
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| 03:48.41 | TheViral | the HD has two partitions, the bottom two in my fstab |
| 03:48.41 | TheViral | http://pastebin.com/d3ef40ad7 |
| 03:48.52 | TheViral | fat32 |
| 03:49.31 | TheViral | that is the fstab minus the updates to the ntfs section |
| 03:50.14 | TheViral | here is my new one |
| 03:50.15 | TheViral | http://pastebin.com/d4fd170f6 |
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| 03:51.30 | jpinx | TheViral: is it actually vfat or is it ntfs as well? |
| 03:51.41 | TheViral | it's fat32 |
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| 03:52.15 | jpinx | try mount -o remount rw,force |
| 03:52.52 | TheViral | include -t vfat? |
| 03:52.55 | jpinx | I've had similar problems and it is a bit of black magic sometimes |
| 03:53.10 | jpinx | yes - that's just the -o options to include |
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| 03:54.36 | TheViral | what is wrong with this? |
| 03:54.45 | TheViral | sudo mount -o remount rw,force -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/HDD2-1 |
| 03:54.52 | elik | When I plug in my ipod touch on my debian box, it asks me if I want to import photos... It doesn't mount it as a device or anything. In my dmesg, I noticed a line mentioning that configuration #1 choson from 3 choices.. anybody got an idea what it my mean? |
| 03:55.54 | jpinx | TheViral: dunno - what's the error? |
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| 03:56.17 | TheViral | it tells me how to use mount |
| 03:56.24 | TheViral | there is no error apparently? |
| 03:57.01 | simonrvn | it's assumed it's already mounted so using -t is pointless and an error |
| 03:57.09 | jpinx | I might not have the syntax perfect, check in man mount |
| 03:57.21 | simonrvn | you're using -o remount |
| 03:57.30 | TheViral | oh ok, one second |
| 03:57.51 | jpinx | Ah - thanks simonrv: it had to be something obvious for me to not see it ;) |
| 03:58.08 | simonrvn | np |
| 03:58.24 | TheViral | ok, I still can't get it to work |
| 03:58.35 | TheViral | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.53 | TheViral | you can't set rw,force either? |
| 03:59.00 | simonrvn | missing comma |
| 03:59.11 | simonrvn | remount,rw,force |
| 03:59.13 | TheViral | remount,rw,force? |
| 03:59.16 | TheViral | k |
| 03:59.28 | simonrvn | btw, i missed it before.... you might be able to use t XXX |
| 03:59.34 | simonrvn | er -t even |
| 03:59.48 | simonrvn | (my bad) |
| 03:59.51 | TheViral | haha |
| 03:59.57 | TheViral | ok, I still can't write to it |
| 04:00.08 | TheViral | it's working in RO or so it appears |
| 04:00.26 | jpinx | TheViral: is it ro or a permissions problem |
| 04:00.40 | TheViral | how would I tell the difference |
| 04:00.48 | jpinx | using sudo mounts as root and you might not have permission to write |
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| 04:01.12 | jpinx | ls -al /media/HDD2-1 |
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| 04:02.05 | TheViral | http://pastebin.com/d553d84c5 |
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| 04:02.44 | TheViral | if I sudo nautilus and navigate to the partition I can write |
| 04:02.48 | jpinx | TheViral: it's a permissions issue |
| 04:03.01 | extor | Is lenny recommended over etch for a desktop, or will etch do just as well? Why do people even use lenny if it has nothing special and wants to update every couple of days too.. |
| 04:03.17 | TheViral | heh, there was a segmentation fault when I close nautilus |
| 04:03.52 | jpinx | TheViral: try adding uid=1000 (or whatever your user ID is) to the options when you remount |
| 04:04.18 | jpinx | but you want this in /etc/fstab -- no? |
| 04:04.36 | TheViral | yes, I am trying it in /etc/fstab and doing sudo mount -a |
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| 04:05.08 | TheViral | well, sudo umount -a first... |
| 04:05.27 | jpinx | TheViral: you might have to specify the uid rather than suid |
| 04:05.56 | TheViral | I tried gid first... |
| 04:07.17 | jpinx | TheViral: http://pastebin.com/m1717da75 |
| 04:07.45 | jpinx | change the mount points to suit you |
| 04:08.11 | n-iCe | where is the wget program located? |
| 04:08.44 | simonrvn | `which wget` |
| 04:08.51 | n-iCe | /usr/bin/wget |
| 04:08.55 | n-iCe | gracias |
| 04:09.12 | unfo | n-iCe: why do you ask? |
| 04:09.15 | simonrvn | np |
| 04:09.23 | unfo | there's often a backstory to these things. |
| 04:09.48 | Tramp | which one rarely wants to hear... |
| 04:09.52 | n-iCe | unfo: to copy files in my jail folder |
| 04:10.05 | unfo | n-iCe: what do you mean? |
| 04:10.11 | unfo | wget is not for copying files. |
| 04:10.18 | jpinx | using BSD? |
| 04:10.21 | unfo | well, it is, but so is cp and lftp :) |
| 04:10.48 | TheViral | what exactly does the option async do? |
| 04:11.01 | unfo | Tramp: in this case, it is worth it to hear: I wonder if n-iCe could use more help than just "it's in /usr/bin" |
| 04:11.38 | Tramp | unfo: then he should learn the hard way to ask the right questions 8) |
| 04:11.57 | n-iCe | unfo: well I did and worked :) |
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| 04:12.43 | jpinx | TheViral: I don't know and I've just googled it and I won't be using it ;) |
| 04:12.46 | n-iCe | now im getting to all wget: unable to resolve host address |
| 04:12.49 | unfo | Tramp: fair. |
| 04:13.17 | n-iCe | what else do I need to add for that? |
| 04:13.18 | TheViral | ok, I tried your options and I still am RO :P |
| 04:13.40 | TheViral | http://pastebin.com/d1c971f19 |
| 04:13.40 | unfo | n-iCe: what are you really trying to do? (please don't tell me, tell the whole channel) |
| 04:13.43 | unfo | :) |
| 04:13.45 | Tramp | unfo: but I get it: you're young, motivated and helpful. I'm old, grumpy and misantrophic ;) |
| 04:13.58 | jpinx | TheViral: I'm out of ideas then - you're back to man and working on permissions |
| 04:14.00 | unfo | Tramp: yep :) |
| 04:14.01 | n-iCe | unfo: ssh-scp-sftp-chroot-jail |
| 04:14.24 | n-iCe | I can add the paths, to the jail folder, I added the wget one, but there is no dns lookup i guess |
| 04:14.30 | jpinx | lends Tramp his walking stick |
| 04:14.32 | TheViral | is there a way to give everyone permissions? |
| 04:14.35 | unfo | n-iCe: what OSes? from what machine to which? and details please. And don't tell me; I'm a bit busy. Tell the whole channel :) |
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| 04:14.54 | jpinx | TheViral: man chmod |
| 04:15.12 | TheViral | heh, ok |
| 04:15.14 | n-iCe | unfo: debian lenny |
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| 04:15.55 | unfo | plugs his ears |
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| 04:15.58 | unfo | la la la :) |
| 04:16.25 | jpinx | TheViral: boot into windows and do the windows disk checks ad try again to mount in linux |
| 04:16.42 | TheViral | ok, brb in two minutes |
| 04:16.45 | n-iCe | im gonna try addin /etc/hosts |
| 04:16.50 | jpinx | I had similar problems and it was how you hold your tongue |
| 04:17.45 | n-iCe | same problem |
| 04:17.46 | n-iCe | :/ |
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| 04:22.59 | dmoerner | n-iCe: what is your problem? |
| 04:23.20 | richd | hey guys, sorry for the noobish question, but what is the better way to do auto connecting to a home wireless network? I currently have my essid and wep key in /etc/network/interfaces. is the best way to go restrict read access to this file to normal users? |
| 04:23.46 | dmoerner | richd: yes |
| 04:23.51 | richd | okie dokie then |
| 04:24.05 | richd | thanks a ton |
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| 04:27.17 | intr80__ | richd: use wpa_supplicant, and wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 04:27.31 | richd | just doing wep |
| 04:27.36 | richd | btw |
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| 04:27.49 | richd | just restricting read access seems nice and good |
| 04:27.50 | richd | however |
| 04:28.00 | richd | in a script that is calling 'ifup <iface>' |
| 04:28.21 | TheViral | ok, chkdsk did not show up and I even told it to run next time I boot but it didn't show that time either so I am giving up on that one for tonight |
| 04:28.31 | richd | will i need to set +s to my script for it to work right? |
| 04:28.38 | intr80__ | richd: wpa_supplicant lets you maintain configuration of a number of access points if that's helpful. |
| 04:28.42 | richd | (i dont wanna say 'sudo <myscript> |
| 04:28.48 | richd | Ah, ok |
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| 04:29.02 | intr80__ | setting suid is not a bad idea if there's no way to abuse the script. |
| 04:29.12 | richd | lol, i'm gald i'm not doing c++ atm, i didn't close my ' or ) |
| 04:29.12 | dmoerner | richd: you should consider using wpa roaming |
| 04:29.15 | intr80__ | just be careful what you let users do |
| 04:29.17 | J2000_ca | this is a really silly question but how to you select something when configuring a package with apt-get? |
| 04:29.26 | dmoerner | J2000_ca: space bar? |
| 04:29.37 | intr80__ | "select something"? |
| 04:29.42 | richd | like a checkbox? |
| 04:29.46 | Tramp | suid scripts are not working under linux |
| 04:29.47 | richd | (spacebar) |
| 04:29.50 | SerajewelKS | J2000_ca: tab to it and hit space or enter |
| 04:29.54 | TheViral | I do however have rw access to my second drive :D |
| 04:30.04 | Tramp | i.e. the scripts are working, just not the suid-bit. |
| 04:30.05 | richd | Tramp: eh? |
| 04:30.24 | richd | link for details? |
| 04:30.26 | Tramp | richd: you can set your script suid, but the suid-bit is not honored |
| 04:30.27 | richd | or what? |
| 04:30.28 | J2000_ca | Thanks everyone, space is what I was looking for. I just brain cramped for a while (was trying x, * etc lol). |
| 04:30.32 | richd | Ah |
| 04:31.10 | richd | well, I think that's plenty for me tonight |
| 04:31.12 | richd | thanks guys |
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| 04:31.18 | richd | back to writing my paper |
| 04:31.19 | richd | :( |
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| 04:36.48 | nirupama | hi all |
| 04:37.02 | nirupama | I was trying eyeOS on debian system |
| 04:37.08 | nirupama | it works well |
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| 04:37.33 | nirupama | but what if I want to open a gnome-terminal in eyeOS |
| 04:37.39 | nirupama | is it possible |
| 04:38.05 | remitaylor | i've installed a .deb which overwrites a library on my machine (fixes a bug in the library) and it makes apt really angry - apt marks packages that depend on the library as broken and it wants to overwrite my bugfix. does anyone know howto fix this / keep it from happening? i haven't gotten a 'hold' or pinning to work. |
| 04:38.08 | simonrvn | ask their channel |
| 04:39.20 | dmoerner | remitaylor: what bug? if you want to install a bug-fixing version of a library it should have a higher version than the current one and will replace it |
| 04:39.28 | simonrvn | remitaylor: file a bug? ;) |
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| 04:39.42 | simonrvn | was only semi-serious |
| 04:40.10 | simonrvn | what dmoerner said |
| 04:41.55 | remitaylor | it's actually someone else's bugfix ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/211507 ). looks like the person who created the .deb gave the library the same version number. whenever i run apt, i get: |
| 04:41.55 | remitaylor | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 04:41.55 | remitaylor | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.55 | remitaylor | ... |
| 04:41.55 | remitaylor | Upgrade the following packages: |
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| 04:42.08 | TheViral | damn that bot |
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| 04:42.52 | remitaylor | d'oh ... didn't know my IRC client would do that |
| 04:43.07 | remitaylor | ( should've used paste-bin ) |
| 04:43.33 | TheViral | haha |
| 04:43.37 | TheViral | it's done that to me soooo many times |
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| 04:43.53 | remitaylor | yeah ... line breaks in msg = FAIL :P |
| 04:44.21 | simonrvn | remitaylor: that's an ubuntu package... |
| 04:44.45 | remitaylor | simonrvn: i know, but it's an apt-specific question, not distro-specific. sorry :) |
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| 04:44.57 | simonrvn | remitaylor: if you expect us to support you installing ubuntu stuff onto your debian, you're sadly mistaken. |
| 04:45.15 | simonrvn | (if you even have debian there...) |
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| 04:46.33 | remitaylor | simonrvn: i don't expect anything from anyone. i have an apt question, so i go where the apt gurus are |
| 04:46.38 | remitaylor | :) |
| 04:46.54 | simonrvn | and it's off-topic |
| 04:47.42 | remitaylor | sorry, is there a channel for apt? some folks were helping me in here yesterday, trying to get pinning to work properly. |
| 04:48.30 | dmoerner | remitaylor: you can't expect "apt gurus" to help you handle poorly designed ubuntu bugfixes |
| 04:48.37 | simonrvn | there's #deity, but it might be dead. you'd find it on oftc network. best to ask your distro channel first |
| 04:48.47 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 04:50.10 | remitaylor | i did ask in my distro channel first. then i came here. so, what's the fix? ('poorly designed ubuntu bugfix') do i re-package the .deb with the library version number incremented? |
| 04:51.08 | simonrvn | that's what was suggested.... |
| 04:51.40 | remitaylor | great! sorry, somehow i missed that. i'll give that a try. thanks for the help. |
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| 05:07.23 | Deb4eva | I can't find ssh /etc/init.d to start it I'm running Debian 4 Etch |
| 05:08.01 | simonrvn | not installed by default... |
| 05:08.04 | Deb4eva | Do I need to install it again |
| 05:08.11 | Deb4eva | OpenSSH is installed |
| 05:08.24 | simonrvn | openssh-server |
| 05:08.28 | Deb4eva | Oh |
| 05:08.39 | Deb4eva | ok shall I installe it then |
| 05:09.39 | Deb4eva | Ok apt-get install ssh However the following packages replace it: |
| 05:09.40 | Deb4eva | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.44 | roe_ | how do I change the dpkg question threshold? |
| 05:10.12 | Deb4eva | apt-get install openssh-client openssh-client is already the newest version. |
| 05:10.14 | simonrvn | Deb4eva: there's 2, openssh-server and -client |
| 05:10.25 | simonrvn | roe_: debconf you mean? dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 05:11.03 | Deb4eva | I tried to install the openssh-client but it says already installed |
| 05:11.57 | simonrvn | re-read what i said... |
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| 05:14.34 | Deb4eva | I know there's 2 openssh-server -client |
| 05:15.11 | Deb4eva | how do I start openssh |
| 05:15.27 | simonrvn | you're not listening. aptitude install openssh-server |
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| 05:20.26 | beardy | !cluebat Deb4eva |
| 05:20.27 | dpkg | beats Deb4eva with the ClueBat of #debian. Roll 1d6... 5! For security info, see http://www.debian.org/security/ |
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| 05:23.14 | Deb4eva | just take it easy, and I was listening they're Fishing both installeddddddddd |
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| 05:25.29 | Vinni | I've installed vnc4server, fluxbox and xterm(for testing) on the remote server |
| 05:25.46 | Vinni | how do I now start graphical app xterm |
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| 05:26.06 | Vinni | done both startx and vncserver |
| 05:26.18 | dudeman | no need to do startx |
| 05:26.25 | Vinni | oops |
| 05:26.31 | Vinni | what then? |
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| 05:26.46 | dudeman | you want to connect to a existing X session or not? |
| 05:26.54 | Vinni | yes |
| 05:26.59 | dudeman | vncserver launches a session of its own in a display you specify |
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| 05:27.24 | dudeman | !x11vnc |
| 05:27.24 | dpkg | x11vnc is probably a vnc server for displaying the running x session, or http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
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| 05:27.38 | Vinni | the server has no display (video adapter), is this oK? |
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| 05:28.24 | dudeman | !vnc setup |
| 05:28.25 | dpkg | it has been said that vnc setup is Install x11vnc on the remote host and a vnc viewer on the local computer; Locally: ssh -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 <remotehost>; Remote run: x11vnc -display :0; Locally: vncviewer localhost; that's it! vnc securely tunneled over ssh! |
| 05:28.29 | dudeman | Vinni, its fine |
| 05:28.39 | dudeman | Vinni, if the server doesn't have a video |
| 05:28.43 | dudeman | then you dont need x11vnc |
| 05:28.49 | Vinni | so how do I run X session? |
| 05:28.50 | dudeman | and you will not be connecting to an existing X session |
| 05:28.57 | dudeman | x cannot start without a video device |
| 05:29.04 | Vinni | I see |
| 05:29.05 | dudeman | however |
| 05:29.36 | dudeman | you can launch vncserver -depth 24 -geometry 800x600 :1 |
| 05:29.49 | Vinni | do I have to first stop it? |
| 05:29.53 | dudeman | that will start a Xsession launchd by vncserver |
| 05:30.09 | dudeman | it will ask you to setup a password |
| 05:30.18 | dudeman | then you can connect to it from another machine |
| 05:30.45 | Vinni | how do I stop a running vncserver? |
| 05:30.45 | dudeman | Vinni, ps x|grep vnc |
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| 05:31.01 | dudeman | Vinni, pkill vnc, pkill -9 vnc, maybe /etc/init.d/vncserver stop |
| 05:31.02 | dudeman | no idea |
| 05:31.09 | dudeman | I don't mess with vnc at all |
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| 05:32.12 | Vinni | pkill doesn't kill |
| 05:32.18 | Vinni | and there is no /etc/init.d/vncserver |
| 05:32.30 | dudeman | hang on man |
| 05:32.49 | Vinni | oh, i found |
| 05:33.42 | Vinni | hmm doesn't work |
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| 05:35.41 | Vinni | dudeman, when connecting do I have to specify port? |
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| 05:36.23 | dudeman | Vinni, remove it all |
| 05:36.31 | dudeman | uninstall all vnc packages on server |
| 05:36.47 | dudeman | I'll walk you through installation its easy |
| 05:36.59 | Simon14 | is there a default indent like program for debian? |
| 05:37.30 | Vinni | dudeman, removed vnc4server |
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| 05:38.11 | spx2 | how much can one make with google ads,I mean how much per ad ? |
| 05:38.34 | simonrvn_ | how is that relevant to debian? |
| 05:39.04 | spx2 | simonrvn_: it's not |
| 05:39.21 | Vinni | there is still a process 'vnc' what is it for |
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| 05:39.36 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 05:39.47 | dudeman | simonrvn, ? |
| 05:39.49 | dudeman | oh |
| 05:40.22 | Vinni | dudeman, I did apt-get remove vnc4server |
| 05:41.06 | Vinni | oh there isn't I confused |
| 05:41.13 | Vinni | the process vnc |
| 05:41.22 | Vinni | is actuall 'grep vnc' ))) |
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| 05:43.39 | Vinni | dudeman, what do I do now? |
| 05:43.43 | Simon14 | my school upgraded its server to Debian and it doesn't have "indent" on it and i'm wondering if there is another program which comes with Debian which is the same |
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| 05:44.38 | dudeman | ok |
| 05:44.53 | dudeman | Vinni, aptitude install tightvncserver |
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| 05:46.03 | Vinni | will take some time, I am on dialup:) |
| 05:46.06 | dudeman | Vinni, tighvncpasswd (then setup a password) |
| 05:46.15 | Vinni | ok |
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| 05:47.03 | dudeman | Vinni, then tightvncserver -geometry 800x600 -depth 8 :1 (because you're on dialup and for that tightvnc is usually good encoding too) |
| 05:47.31 | dudeman | then you can use any vnc client to connect to your server |
| 05:48.34 | Simon14 | :( |
| 05:48.37 | Vinni | ok, thanks, it says there are 10 mins left, I'll try later) |
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| 05:49.09 | franck34 | hi all, i just installed a french debian, but only with cdrom |
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| 05:49.32 | franck34 | can somebody tell me what is the classical source.list to start to play ? |
| 05:49.40 | dudeman | Vinni, after the pacakge is installed |
| 05:49.43 | dudeman | Vinni, zless /usr/share/doc/tightvncserver/start.txt.gz |
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| 05:49.56 | Vinni | dudeman, what does that do? |
| 05:49.58 | dudeman | Vinni, zless /usr/share/doc/tightvncserver/examples/vnc.conf.gz |
| 05:50.12 | dudeman | Vinni, zless /usr/share/doc/tightvncserver/faq.txt.gz |
| 05:50.21 | Simon14 | :( |
| 05:50.21 | dudeman | Vinni, that makes you read the tightvncserver documenation |
| 05:50.24 | dudeman | :) |
| 05:50.32 | Vinni | oh hehe |
| 05:51.58 | dudeman | !tell franck34 -about sources.list |
| 05:52.21 | dudeman | Simon14, what does indent do? |
| 05:52.27 | dudeman | !indent |
| 05:52.27 | dpkg | i heard indent is changes the appearance of a C program by inserting or deleting whitespace. |
| 05:52.35 | dudeman | :/ |
| 05:52.39 | dudeman | im going to sleep |
| 05:52.45 | dudeman | I have to actually go to work tomorrow |
| 05:52.45 | Simon14 | dudeman: it indents code |
| 05:52.48 | Simon14 | makes it readable |
| 05:52.50 | dudeman | bye bye |
| 05:52.58 | dudeman | Simon14, download source and build from scratch |
| 05:53.03 | Vinni | wait, but will I be able to conect to vnc server through ssh? |
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| 05:53.12 | dudeman | Vinni, sure.. I just don't know how |
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| 05:53.15 | Simon14 | thanks |
| 05:53.16 | dudeman | I have never messed with vnc really |
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| 05:53.25 | dudeman | Simon14, or ask your system admin |
| 05:54.05 | dudeman | ok sleepy time |
| 05:54.10 | dudeman | *screen detatched* |
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| 06:12.57 | Vinni | what does "cached" stand for in top |
| 06:14.00 | simonrvn | disk cache |
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| 06:16.44 | Obligatory | Anybody used mplayer zoom with "pan & scan"? |
| 06:18.38 | Obligatory | Was that a tumbleweed? |
| 06:19.02 | intr80__ | % <-- tumbleweed |
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| 06:20.11 | Obligatory | Not a busy time... |
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| 06:22.06 | Obligatory | The question rephrased: anyone know of a real time Debian media player where one can pause video, zoom it very big, and move around the zoomed image from the keyboard? |
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| 06:22.50 | cahoot | Obligatory: you've already ruled out mplayer? |
| 06:22.53 | tralala | how come debian/rules is different when unpacking with dpkg-source -x than the one in the .diff? |
| 06:23.20 | Obligatory | cahoot, not ruled out exactly: 'mplayer' can zoom, but from the keyboard you can't move where it zooms. As far as I know. |
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| 06:25.13 | Obligatory | It seem odd for there to be such an mplayer zoom feature, as its usefulness depends on closing in on chosen areas. Maybe nobody ever got around to finishing its code. |
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| 06:28.25 | Obligatory | (Pretty much every DVD remote has a zoom-pause & pan feature. It's very useful for reading text, or checking out background details.) |
| 06:29.42 | Obligatory | cahoot, do you know any players that can do it? |
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| 06:30.52 | cahoot | Obligatory: no - I just have the impression mplayer is the most capable player available |
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| 06:32.51 | deuterium | hi i have a problem on debian testing: http://pastebin.com/m269d06fb |
| 06:33.09 | deuterium | any idea how to solve this? i tried a lot already |
| 06:33.30 | Obligatory | cahoot, try it like so: mplayer -vo gl -panscanrange -5 foo.avi |
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| 06:33.50 | Obligatory | (assumes GLX, then you hit 'w' & 'e') |
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| 06:34.14 | intr80__ | deuterium : 'apt-get install grub' then retry |
| 06:34.33 | deuterium | intr80__: grub? ok, i try |
| 06:34.49 | intr80__ | the problem is due to a broken dependency, please file a bug for the maintainer of the linux-2.6.26 package |
| 06:35.31 | basix | when will the intel 5100 wifi link be supported with ndiswrapper? i've bought a laptop that comes with this wifi card and currently am using some weird driver for it. its native linux but doesn't always work. |
| 06:36.12 | deuterium | intr80__: ok, thanks for the hint! |
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| 06:37.45 | simonrvn | !wb |
| 06:37.45 | dpkg | thanks, simonrvn. It's good to be back. |
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| 06:40.29 | Obligatory | Hmm, mplayer zoom works without GLX too. |
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| 06:45.04 | et | do i want memtest86+ or memtest86? |
| 06:45.21 | et | hmm, or both |
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| 06:45.40 | enouf | Why on earth can't i get grep to do what i want? "lshal | grep -EC 1 'info.product|device_file' | less" also prints lines i do not want . .why? Even without piping less it does, and yet, without -C, it works as wanted. |
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| 06:46.31 | enouf | using -C 2 only adds more unwanted lines |
| 06:47.02 | enouf | even grep -C 1 info.product\|device_file makes no difference |
| 06:47.06 | Obligatory | enouf what are you trying to grep? |
| 06:47.18 | enouf | Obligatory: it's pretty obvious ;-) |
| 06:47.47 | enouf | i mean, how else can i tell you? |
| 06:47.49 | et | define "unwanted lines" |
| 06:48.05 | enouf | et: unmatching of PATTERN lines |
| 06:48.19 | et | enouf: what do you think -C does? |
| 06:48.25 | Obligatory | enouf, not necessarilly... say there was a mistake in your one-liner; I might not know it was a mistake unless I know the intention. |
| 06:48.25 | enouf | for ex; info.subsystem = 'pci' (string) |
| 06:48.35 | enouf | and info.parent = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer' (string) |
| 06:48.42 | enouf | those do not match my pattern |
| 06:48.52 | enouf | pattern (s) |
| 06:49.11 | enouf | why don't each of you just run the command? |
| 06:49.19 | enouf | it's not harmful in any way |
| 06:49.25 | Obligatory | enouf, I did run the command. |
| 06:49.30 | et | because we are trying to find out what you're trying to do ;) |
| 06:49.35 | enouf | et: i want a break between the matches |
| 06:49.37 | et | enouf: -C adds context ... that context doesn't match the line, that's natural |
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| 06:49.50 | enouf | whether or not said break contains a -- i care not |
| 06:50.41 | et | enouf: well, C does something else as its main purpose, the "break" is a byproduct |
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| 06:51.14 | enouf | i want output that looks like; info.product = 'SBLive! Value [CT4871] (rev.8, serial:0x80321102) ALSA MIDI Device' (string) <-- followed on the next line with -> linux.device_file = '/dev/snd/midiC0D0' (string) <-- then a l\n |
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| 06:51.42 | Obligatory | enouf, so instead of a '---------' you want a <cr>? |
| 06:51.52 | enouf | the file spits out the info in that order as well, when displaying to stdout |
| 06:52.16 | enouf | Obligatory: i could care less about a '--' (though it) |
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| 06:52.19 | enouf | Obligatory: i could care less about a '--' (though it's nice) |
| 06:52.36 | enouf | atleast the '--' lines serve as a "line break" |
| 06:52.57 | et | well, run your stuff to the same grep command again without -C and with -- as a valid match |
| 06:53.13 | enouf | the Issue is, other unwanted lines are also being printed |
| 06:53.25 | Obligatory | enouf, in your example, did you want only two lines per hit? |
| 06:53.26 | et | that's because you say you want those lines |
| 06:53.47 | enouf | Obligatory: indeed , followed by a \n or a line containing only '--' |
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| 06:54.07 | enouf | et: do you know how i can tell grep what i do want? |
| 06:54.18 | et | 085257 < et> well, run your stuff to the same grep command again without -C and with -- as a valid match |
| 06:54.29 | et | (just before less) |
| 06:55.02 | enouf | et: ~$ lshal | grep -E 'info.product|device_file|--' | less ? |
| 06:55.05 | Obligatory | enouf: lshal | grep -EB 1 'info.product|device_file' | less |
| 06:55.12 | et | enouf: two greps |
| 06:55.22 | enouf | oh ... thanks, let me try |
| 06:55.25 | et | Obligatory: he doesn't want any context |
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| 06:56.09 | enouf | Obligatory: yours still prints extranaous lines like -> info.parent = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer' (string) |
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| 06:56.39 | negativerad | is it bad practice to make a user a superuser ? |
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| 06:57.03 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:57.05 | enouf | et: ~$ lshal | grep -E 'info.product|device_file' | grep -- | less <== no work |
| 06:57.06 | Obligatory | enouf, sorry I misunderstood your intent. So the two lines you want printed aren't necessarily next to each other? |
| 06:57.26 | et | enouf: i said "the same" |
| 06:57.28 | enouf | Obligatory: no, they aren't, most times they are 2 lines apart |
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| 06:57.48 | Obligatory | enouf, aha. Gimme a sec then... |
| 06:58.00 | et | info.product|device_file|match-for-"--"-on-a-line |
| 06:58.20 | et | of course it doesn't work the way you tried it ... |
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| 06:59.42 | enouf | (i thought someone mentioned two greps somewhere - and now i can't find it in the backscroll :-/ ) |
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| 06:59.53 | Obligatory | enouf, the 'pcregrep' util can do multiple lines. I'd use that and filter out the middle line. |
| 07:00.33 | enouf | Obligatory: the hits appear to grab more than "the middle line" unfortunately, but thanks |
| 07:01.20 | enouf | et: now there's no \n nor a -- |
| 07:01.40 | enouf | which is the same as not using anything other than my riginal |
| 07:02.21 | enouf | i have a real sneaking suspicion the '.' in info.product is wreaking havoc |
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| 07:04.40 | enouf | et: and Obligatory |
| 07:04.42 | Obligatory | enouf, the '.'? Hmm. no in this case it's harmless. |
| 07:04.42 | enouf | thank you |
| 07:04.53 | enouf | i finally understand what et wants me to do |
| 07:04.54 | enouf | ~$ lshal | egrep -C 1 'product|device_file' | egrep 'info.product|device_file|--' |less |
| 07:05.14 | enouf | Obligatory: try that - now the output is correct |
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| 07:05.50 | Obligatory | enouf, tried it. The single line hits are OK? |
| 07:06.05 | enouf | Ok - one more harder step ... Obligatory .. this we shall now remove ;-) |
| 07:06.16 | enouf | (somehow) |
| 07:06.36 | Obligatory | enouf, considering... |
| 07:07.15 | enouf | i only want (groups of) lines/matches where there's a 'info.product' with a corrresponding 'device_file' hit on the following line ;-) |
| 07:07.59 | Obligatory | enouf, try: lshal | egrep -C 1 'product|device_file' | egrep 'info.product|device_file|--' | uniq | sed 's/--//' | less |
| 07:08.24 | enouf | Obligatory: aha! .. let me test ;-) |
| 07:08.26 | Obligatory | enouf, considering new constraint... |
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| 07:09.23 | enouf | Obligatory: not quite working here - but it's ok - i can play with what we've got - thanks to you and et |
| 07:10.00 | Obligatory | Almost there... |
| 07:10.20 | choxos | what is debian lenny KDE4 repository? |
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| 07:10.43 | enouf | Obligatory: it's just a shame, with all these new /sys parsing tools, (udev* , hal* , lshal) none were made considering being used ny admins for parsing data |
| 07:11.07 | enouf | For ex; udevinfo -q all -n /dev/name will only take one /dev/name at a time, no matter what you do |
| 07:11.41 | enouf | !tell choxos -about kde4 |
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| 07:12.39 | choxos | enouf: thanks :) |
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| 07:13.46 | enouf | Obligatory: all i can say is; if i went into #bash and asked, i can almost guarantee a confrontational outcome - (a scenario in where greycat would try to tear me a new ***hole and i would then bite back) :-P |
| 07:14.33 | enouf | [02:55:29] <et> enouf: two greps <-- found the "two greps" statement O_o |
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| 07:15.36 | Obligatory | Still working on the 'pcregrep', tricky syntax. |
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| 07:18.43 | Obligatory | enouf, this is almost it: lshal | egrep -C 1 'product|device_file' | egrep 'info.product|device_file|--' | uniq | sed 's/--//' | pcregrep -M '\n\n' |
| 07:19.57 | enouf | Obligatory: i'm trying alternate ways of attacking, but still using grep (plus sort, uniq, etc) thanks much for the follow up - i'm not going anywhere soon ;-) |
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| 07:20.05 | Obligatory | Except for those double 'info.product' lines... |
| 07:20.37 | Obligatory | enouf, why sort? |
| 07:21.12 | enouf | Obligatory: basically - im trying to match ~$ lshal | grep device_file | sort | less with each of it's corresponding 'info.product' (if you just lshal ) |
| 07:21.20 | enouf | Obligatory: basically - im trying to match ~$ lshal | grep device_file | sort | less with each of it's corresponding 'info.product' (if you just lshal | less) you'll see what i mean |
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| 07:21.29 | enouf | Obligatory: sort isn't important |
| 07:21.44 | enouf | Obligatory: it just looks nice when running just ~$ lshal | grep device_file | sort | less |
| 07:22.11 | enouf | or remove the | less |
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| 07:23.28 | enouf | Obligatory: and you know what? amixer util basically can spit out the sound info and match it to it's .. well, not really but close - but the point is, suppose i wanted HDD and CD/DVD drive info only, and not sound related - see? |
| 07:24.12 | enouf | Obligatory: i'm just not a programmer, and i even kinda suck at bash even :-P |
| 07:24.31 | Obligatory | enouf, gimme a bit, I'm still thinking about the linefeeds... |
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| 07:24.46 | enouf | (you could expand that to include all GNU utils :-P) |
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| 07:25.00 | enouf | Obligatory: i'm just blabbing - nm me ;-) |
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| 07:25.30 | enouf | but .. atleast i don't hit <Enter> every second like dudeman does O_O |
| 07:25.34 | enouf | hides |
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| 07:26.57 | enouf | comes out of hiding with his cane in hand and taser attachment mounted securely in front :-P |
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| 07:34.13 | phuzion | Hi, I'm looking to make a bash backup script in a shared shell environment, using mysqldump and scp to get my sql data off to a remote location. So far, I've got everything working, but the only problem I have is that I need to make the password for MySQL not visible in ps under any circumstances, because I'm in a shared environment. |
| 07:34.38 | phuzion | Basically, I need a way to store a password to a variable so that it shows the variable name, but not the password in ps |
| 07:34.43 | phuzion | this is all being done in a bash script, btw |
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| 07:39.14 | jelly-home | phuzion: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/password-security.html |
| 07:39.34 | jelly-home | (also called "RTFM") |
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| 07:43.17 | BVB | anyone use comcast? i need someone to help me urgently. i will pay |
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| 07:44.27 | Obligatory | BVB wassa matta? |
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| 07:45.22 | BVB | my gmail password is getting sent to my old cancelled comcast account.. i need someone to quickly change their comcast username to my old one and tell me what the password is |
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| 07:49.04 | Obligatory | BVB I'd guess that Comcast has a pop3 server? Maybe you can just use that to fetch your mail. |
| 07:49.58 | Obligatory | BVB also wouldn't comcast refuse a duplicate username? It seems like a huge security hole not to. |
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| 07:50.19 | et | Obligatory: "cancelled comcast account" |
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| 07:51.10 | Obligatory | et, ah, never mind about the POP3 then. |
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| 07:52.18 | Obligatory | BVB, ignore my comments then. Not applicable. |
| 07:52.36 | BVB | ok thanks anyways mate |
| 07:55.01 | Obligatory | enouf, I think this works: lshal | egrep -C 1 'product|device_file' | egrep 'info.product|device_file|--' | uniq | sed 's/--//' | pcregrep -Mi '^ *inf.*$\s^ *lin.*$\s' |
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| 07:55.49 | Obligatory | s/-Mi/-M/ |
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| 07:56.48 | enouf | Obligatory: gotcha - thanks ... ahh -> pcregrep - grep utility that uses perl 5 compatible regexes |
| 07:57.30 | Obligatory | enouf, so is it "to spec"? |
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| 07:58.04 | enouf | i'm installing the util now |
| 07:58.56 | Obligatory | The docs for 'pcregrep' aren't so hot, a cause of delay :( |
| 07:59.19 | enouf | Obligatory: O_o well done killer - perfect output |
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| 08:01.06 | enouf | it's amazing it requires so much manipulation (to me) for something that seems to be so simple to obtain using just one grep - but i guess that's the way freedesktop.org designed their crapola UDI hal stuff |
| 08:01.47 | enouf | ever try using all the various hal-* tools? lmao |
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| 08:02.30 | enouf | hal-device hal-find-by-capability hal-get-property hal-lock |
| 08:02.32 | enouf | hal-disable-polling hal-find-by-property hal-is-caller-locked-out hal-set-property |
| 08:02.36 | Obligatory | enouf, I dunno maybe they wanted a more DB than stream oriented tool? I haven't done much with hal tools tho'. |
| 08:03.00 | enouf | Obligatory: try dbus for some real fun :-P |
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| 08:04.16 | Obligatory | enouf, I dunno from dbus. I have it installed, but never directly use it. |
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| 08:04.55 | enouf | Obligatory: what you've shown is nice, and a keeper for me, ya know, i wanted to be able to tell others how to view their sound /dev/files mapped to audio devices, etc, .. but this way, i have to 1st tell them to install pcregrep .. |
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| 08:05.54 | enouf | Obligatory: thanks again, it looks great ;-) |
| 08:06.51 | enouf | (pssst - i wonder if we can lop off those silly (string) words at the end of each line) O_p |
| 08:07.05 | Obligatory | enouf, glad it worked out. A good command line tools is woth having. Have you tried 'moreutils' or 'num-utils'? Both are nice. |
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| 08:08.07 | Obligatory | enouf, many ways to chop off the end. Which is best? |
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| 08:09.14 | Obligatory | enouf, append this: | sed 's/ *(string)$//' |
| 08:09.19 | enouf | Obligatory: well -> awk '{ print$1,$2,$3,$4,$5,$6 }' is very amateurish and only works on half :-P |
| 08:09.32 | enouf | ahh .. duh |
| 08:10.02 | enouf | yeah - awk is a really bad choice cause each line' |
| 08:10.16 | enouf | s amount of 'fields' varies |
| 08:10.54 | enouf | w00h00 .. nice |
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| 08:11.37 | enouf | Obligatory: oh, no i haven't yet looked at either of those tools you mentioned |
| 08:14.04 | Agiofws | enouf, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpZwoW0daA4 |
| 08:14.14 | Obligatory | enouf, depends what we call a field. *nix & C use null terminated strings, which cause many hassles when parsing fields & lines. (versus counted strings) |
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| 08:15.06 | enouf | Obligatory: well awk does have the -F provision for defining what it is |
| 08:15.30 | enouf | Agiofws: why? and why here? |
| 08:15.31 | Obligatory | enouf, scusa those were Debian packages, collections of neat pipe utils, not individual tools. |
| 08:16.04 | enouf | Obligatory: to me tools == utils |
| 08:16.08 | Blast_Hardcheese | Is there any way to reinstall all packages installed on a system? |
| 08:16.26 | cahoot | !reinstall |
| 08:16.27 | dpkg | i heard reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone> |
| 08:16.43 | Blast_Hardcheese | awesome, thanks |
| 08:17.09 | enouf | like command line args == options .. i understand [argv] and stuff to not mean that |
| 08:17.39 | Obligatory | BLarg: dglob | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 08:18.02 | Obligatory | D'oh! Blast_Hardcheese : dglob | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 08:18.18 | Obligatory | Sorry other BL*dude... |
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| 08:18.55 | Stereo | hello |
| 08:19.49 | Blast_Hardcheese | Obligatory: Hmm, I've never seen dglob before, interesting tool |
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| 08:20.43 | enouf | Agiofws: oh - you made that? very very nice - however; next time, send me a PM, this channel is not for that ;-) |
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| 08:21.39 | Stereo | I'm looking for a way to convert an mp3's id3v2 2.4 tags to id3v2 2.3, does anyone know about a package that could do that? |
| 08:21.56 | Agiofws | ok man |
| 08:21.58 | enouf | apt-cache search id3 ? |
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| 08:23.11 | enouf | Agiofws: you have pm :-p |
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| 08:23.35 | Stereo | enouf: yeah, couldn't find anything |
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| 08:25.07 | fezzo | hello igot a question |
| 08:25.17 | enouf | Stereo: freshmeat.net + sourceforge.net - also try ##linux - there might be an audio app in debian that does it |
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| 08:26.00 | fezzo | where can i tell gnome that my configured desktop shoud be used also by an other user |
| 08:26.47 | fezzo | background, icon and so on |
| 08:27.22 | fezzo | found 'gnome-session-save' |
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| 08:27.30 | fezzo | but it dont work |
| 08:27.58 | Obligatory | 2nd round: video players with keyboard controlled zoom-pause & panning? (Like a DVD player) |
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| 08:28.43 | Obligatory | mplayer can zoom, but apparently only on one arbitrary spot. |
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| 08:29.37 | Obligatory | I guess it's off the BTS for me... |
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| 08:29.50 | Obligatory | s/off/off to/ |
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| 08:31.33 | Obligatory | G'nite folx. |
| 08:31.42 | koolini | I'm trying to update Lenny using KPackage. It downloaded the packages and started installing them, but now it says "Processing triggers for menu ..." and nothing happens. What should I do? |
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| 08:52.43 | Stereo | enouf: I think I found something. eyed3 seems to be able to do the trick. Thank you very much :) |
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| 08:55.06 | FalscherHase | hi all. why do date -u -d '1970-01-01T00:00:00' '+%s' and date -u -d '1970-01-01 00:00:00' '+%s' give different results? i'm puzzled |
| 08:55.56 | koray | exit |
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| 09:02.07 | SirTux | hi |
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| 09:02.39 | doublehp | is there a replacement for gscanbus ? or, how to install it ? http://rafb.net/p/KRzvFf42.html |
| 09:02.46 | enouf | What on earth ever happened to http://www.chip.pl/images/0093/000846_0058_org.gif Technology in CD/DVD Drives :-/ ..seems Kenwood and HiVal were the primary manufacturers |
| 09:03.16 | enouf | What on earth ever happened to "TrueX/MultiBeam Zen CD DVD" tech |
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| 09:03.29 | SirTux | I can't find the file samba3.scheme for openLDAP. Can someone help me? |
| 09:03.31 | enouf | google that |
| 09:03.43 | enouf | doublehp: hrm |
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| 09:04.23 | enouf | !info gscanbus |
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| 09:04.33 | SirTux | enouf: I have googled that |
| 09:04.35 | simonrvn | schema, btw |
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| 09:04.56 | enouf | SirTux: no, i meant google what i mentioned ;-) |
| 09:05.01 | FalscherHase | (talking to myself) i see, date -u -d '1970-01-01 P' |
| 09:05.11 | doublehp | enouf: you may say my apt is dead; but i am still asking, in case the package had been renamed, or the binary merged with an other one ... |
| 09:05.12 | enouf | doublehp: [dpkg] Package 'gscanbus' does not exist. :-( |
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| 09:05.41 | FalscherHase | it also means that date -d `date -Iseconds` does not work... |
| 09:05.43 | enouf | doublehp: wait then .. see if .. anyways, what does it do? try wodim -scanbus? cdrdao scanbus? |
| 09:05.46 | rpag__ | hey i recently switched ISP(probably doesnt matter) and now when I try to start dhclient i DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 over and over .. it then fails to establish a connection with my ISP |
| 09:05.49 | SirTux | simonrvn: I know. |
| 09:05.49 | rpag__ | can anybody help? |
| 09:05.51 | doublehp | enouf: used to (before i change my source.list); if not exist for you, where has the script gone ? |
| 09:06.17 | rpag__ | it worked before |
| 09:06.19 | rpag__ | so i dont get it |
| 09:06.26 | SirTux | enouf: Oh :) |
| 09:06.35 | doublehp | enouf: no, gscanbus was a GUI showing in real time what is plugged on FireWire; a bit like usbview ... for Ilink :) |
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| 09:06.57 | doublehp | enouf: CLI replacements accepted. |
| 09:06.59 | FalscherHase | doublehp: my apt says it's only in stable |
| 09:07.22 | enouf | doublehp: http://packages.debian.org/etch/gscanbus |
| 09:07.33 | doublehp | FalscherHase: yes, i used to be stable :) but, how the hell can things stay in stable and be removed from testing ? |
| 09:07.40 | koolini | I'm trying to update Lenny using KPackage. It downloaded the packages and started installing them, but now it says "Processing triggers for menu ..." and nothing happens. What should I do? |
| 09:08.12 | FalscherHase | koolini: wait? |
| 09:08.19 | enouf | doublehp: firewire stuff was revamped? maybe apt-cache search 1394, or iEEE, or firewire |
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| 09:08.50 | enouf | doublehp: follow the changelogs, also follow links to dev pages - see bugs if any |
| 09:09.00 | enouf | !why is gscanbus not in testing |
| 09:09.01 | dpkg | gscanbus is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gscanbus |
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| 09:09.40 | doublehp | enouf: FalscherHase : did that yesterday, did not found it. I used to be stable, it had been removed during upgrade; i am used to that when not updating for long time: i let apt remove thuff, i write down which package, and i usually can reinstall manually 99% of them after upgrade. |
| 09:10.01 | FalscherHase | doublehp: see debian bug #429559 |
| 09:10.07 | doublehp | that's a nice factoid :) |
| 09:10.11 | koolini | FalscherHase: I've been waiting for an hour or so |
| 09:10.27 | koolini | nothing happens |
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| 09:12.53 | fre-deber | Hello all I needs some help for my pppoe connected |
| 09:12.58 | fre-deber | thx |
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| 09:13.08 | remoteCTR1 | !kmuto |
| 09:13.08 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
| 09:13.14 | doublehp | FalscherHase: :'( |
| 09:13.21 | rpag__ | i can't connect to my ISP using dhclient...... Could it be my dhclient.conf is wrong? |
| 09:13.26 | enouf | doublehp: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=429559 |
| 09:13.33 | doublehp | yup :' |
| 09:13.43 | enouf | is late again :-/ |
| 09:13.49 | enouf | !lose me again |
| 09:13.49 | dpkg | me again: You Lose. |
| 09:13.59 | rpag__ | i get DHCPDISCOVER to 255.255.255.255 over and over |
| 09:14.05 | fre-deber | Hello all I needs some help for my pppoe connected |
| 09:14.06 | doublehp | !lose rpag__ |
| 09:14.07 | dpkg | rpag__: You Lose. |
| 09:14.10 | fre-deber | thx |
| 09:14.17 | rpag__ | ugh thanks doublehp |
| 09:14.50 | rpag__ | REALLY helpful |
| 09:14.51 | doublehp | rpag__: no, i dont think so. when dealing ISP ... did you try Windows as client ? |
| 09:15.13 | rpag__ | im on arch linux now, and it works for this box |
| 09:15.15 | rpag__ | but not the other |
| 09:15.36 | doublehp | rpag__: check connectivity: mii-diag will confirm if wire is REALLY in the plug |
| 09:15.37 | enouf | rpag__: check through all your network settings |
| 09:15.41 | enouf | !interfaces |
| 09:15.43 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
| 09:15.46 | enouf | !dhclient |
| 09:15.46 | dpkg | well, dhclient is if it doesn't work you usually forgot to enable some kernel options. dhclient writes to your logfiles what you have to activate. check syslog and messages after running dhclient, or the kernel options you need are config_filter and config_packet |
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| 09:15.55 | enouf | gah |
| 09:16.24 | rpag__ | /var/log/messages is empty |
| 09:16.24 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:16.25 | doublehp | rpag__: being a client never required to alter any conf file for me |
| 09:16.30 | fre-deber | Hello All I Needs Some Help For My PPPOE Connected Thanks |
| 09:16.45 | rpag__ | hmm ok |
| 09:16.47 | rpag__ | this sucks :( |
| 09:16.53 | simonrvn | !tell fre-deber -about ask |
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| 09:17.03 | doublehp | rpag__: if you dont have messages or syslog, then, you forgot to install packages; refer to manual to compleet your installation of ESSENTIAL packages |
| 09:17.23 | fre-deber | thx simonrvn |
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| 09:17.43 | fre-deber | thx 4 u talk about me |
| 09:17.54 | enouf | rpag__: /var/log/dhcpcd.log.0 |
| 09:17.54 | Blast_Hardcheese | !reinstall |
| 09:17.55 | dpkg | hmm... reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone> |
| 09:17.56 | doublehp | rpag__: => try with a windows, check the NIC connectivity with mii-* |
| 09:18.16 | enouf | rpag__: /var/log/dhcpcd.log <-= er, the newest one - also see dmesg | less |
| 09:18.16 | remoteCTR1 | does only the 64 bit version have no xen support with 2.6.26 kernel or also the i386? |
| 09:18.24 | doublehp | rpag__: ISP may also have temp breakage ! |
| 09:18.44 | simonrvn | fre-deber: don't /msg me |
| 09:18.52 | simonrvn | ask the channel |
| 09:19.12 | fre-deber | Ok Ok Ok I see thanks |
| 09:19.21 | enouf | doublehp: ethtool replaces mii-tool (just a FWIW) |
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| 09:19.31 | simonrvn | read what the bot told you... |
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| 09:19.47 | remoteCTR1 | !xen |
| 09:19.47 | dpkg | xen is probably an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, ask in #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 09:19.48 | fre-deber | OK thanks |
| 09:19.53 | enouf | then we have nice iproute/iproute2 to replace all the ifconfig stuffs, iinm |
| 09:19.53 | doublehp | fre-deber: or ask here before talking to people in private: most people from here will block you if you talk them in private without asking (thus wont see your public questions) |
| 09:20.09 | koolini | any idea besides waiting? |
| 09:20.09 | enouf | please /msg the bot yo ! |
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| 09:20.29 | adnc | i'getting desperate with spamassassin and learning spam mail |
| 09:20.34 | adnc | it doesnt work for any reason, although i think it is set up correct |
| 09:20.42 | adnc | mails which i mark as spam with spamc is do get through the next time and do not have any changing score |
| 09:20.51 | Lagbolt | xen eh, is there a factoid about vserver or openvz? |
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| 09:21.18 | Blast_Hardcheese | !hostname |
| 09:21.19 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 09:21.41 | enouf | do /msg dpkg listkeys, and listvals Lagbolt |
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| 09:22.00 | Lagbolt | thanks enouf |
| 09:22.02 | enouf | do /msg dpkg listkeys <keyword> |
| 09:22.08 | adnc | is anyone running spamassassin with learning enabled here on a debian box? |
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| 09:22.48 | fre-deber | !pppoeconf |
| 09:22.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, pppoeconf is a user-friendly utility to configure a PPPoE connection (normally over DSL). Can be installed with "apt-get install pppoeconf" if not already preinstalled (it is on most systems). Use "ifup" instead of "pon" after using it once. |
| 09:23.00 | fre-deber | I have a problem with pppoeconf;I'm running Debian 4.0rc4.When I try to connected to pppoe,but i didn't.The pppoeconf tell me"Not connected" |
| 09:23.35 | enouf | !logs |
| 09:23.35 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
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| 09:24.26 | enouf | man pppoe[TAB][TAB] |
| 09:24.41 | enouf | pppoe pppoe-connect pppoe-relay pppoe-setup pppoe-start pppoe-stop |
| 09:24.50 | enouf | pppoeconf pppoe-discovery pppoe-server pppoe-sniff pppoe-status |
| 09:24.55 | doublehp | is there a mnemonic to remember, amongst ice*, which one is replacement for which Mozilla product (apart from ... "having good memory") ? |
| 09:25.06 | enouf | dpkg -L pppoe | grep doc |
| 09:25.07 | dpkg | ii pppoe | grep doc 2.3-5.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 09:25.19 | enouf | shaddup dpkg |
| 09:25.38 | simonrvn | enouf's ultra s3kr1t gamp collection |
| 09:25.58 | enouf | doublehp: icedax == |
| 09:25.59 | enouf | ? |
| 09:26.06 | enouf | doublehp: icedove == ? |
| 09:26.21 | nachos | ugh, what packages do i need to install to get php5 cli + apache mod |
| 09:26.29 | doublehp | i hardly remember that dove=TB, and weassel=FF ... |
| 09:27.15 | fre-deber | enouf:it say "not connected:sorry,I scanned 1 interface,but the access concentrator of your provider did not respond,plz check your network and modem cables,another reason for the scan failure may also be another running pppoe process which controls the modem |
| 09:27.56 | enouf | fre-deber: i'm sorry, i really suck at networking and i never had to use pppoe |
| 09:28.01 | remoteCTR1 | i don't get etch to boot on my new server and lenny apparently does not support xen, what can i do? |
| 09:28.20 | enouf | try ##networking in some time, wait a little - ask here later too ... |
| 09:28.35 | doublehp | nachos: i'd say from memory php5 php5-cli |
| 09:28.37 | fre-deber | enouf:Thanks a lot of! |
| 09:28.45 | Lagbolt | remoteCTR1, xen hypervisor package isnt in lenny but you can compile xen to work. try #xen |
| 09:29.06 | remoteCTR1 | Lagbolt: thanks for the hint! |
| 09:29.44 | nachos | thanks doublehp |
| 09:30.56 | themill | remoteCTR1: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#head-21b571d5f81b6a36a5af19cfc7439045c3fb5b20 |
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| 09:31.19 | remoteCTR1 | themill: thanks! |
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| 09:32.13 | kjalil | since Lenny is close to release, is it wise for me to use it on a production server? It will become 'stable' soon, isn't it? |
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| 09:33.44 | themill | !wwlr |
| 09:33.44 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
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| 09:36.36 | S-i-A | hi my favorite team :) |
| 09:37.02 | kjalil | themill: what does WIR; SIYH mean? |
| 09:37.08 | S-i-A | who can i finde Debian Lenny countdown for Website ? |
| 09:37.16 | themill | dpkg: tell kjalil about siyh |
| 09:37.19 | enouf | remoteCTR1: you spammed the channel with your !xen stuff, then didn't even bother to follow the URL to http://wiki.debian.org/Xen ? |
| 09:37.20 | remoteCTR1 | themill: forgive me ny noobishness but as far as i understand this i can install lenny, then downgrade to etch kernel and then it should work? |
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| 09:37.37 | themill | remoteCTR1: no, you can't downgrade releases |
| 09:37.41 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: of course i did i am having troubel in understanding this |
| 09:37.51 | themill | remoteCTR1: err... hang on |
| 09:38.09 | enouf | remoteCTR1: slow down then, take it all in, read some more - relax |
| 09:38.36 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: heh thanks for the hint man |
| 09:38.59 | S-i-A | any idea? or who is Lenny Released countdown? |
| 09:39.23 | themill | S-i-A: there isn't a lenny release countdown because we don't know when it will be released |
| 09:39.35 | themill | remoteCTR1: yeah, that should work. As long as etch's kernel is happy to work with lenny's udev. I have no idea what the story is on that front. You might like to as #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net what their thoughts are. They are a pretty quiet channel so replies can take a time answering. |
| 09:39.38 | remoteCTR1 | btw. funny enuff: i cant install etch 4.03 because it doesnt recognize the network adapter, but etch 4.04a gets kernel panic after just a few seconds... |
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| 09:40.10 | remoteCTR1 | themill: great, thanks mate! |
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| 09:40.22 | quik__ | hey folks |
| 09:40.35 | quik__ | doing a arm architecture install of debian |
| 09:40.53 | adnc | is it possible to give him a different ftp home directory than shell home directory? |
| 09:40.56 | S-i-A | themill: thanx, ok i go to Debian-Devel channel |
| 09:41.02 | quik__ | I have two disks.. just wondering how I can create a JBOD array? |
| 09:41.09 | quik__ | (from within the installer) |
| 09:41.50 | adnc | i mean giving a user a different ftp home directory than his shell home directory |
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| 09:42.26 | krgn | hey |
| 09:42.39 | krgn | any debian kernel maintainers here? |
| 09:43.49 | krgn | need to find out how the versioning numbering is done correctly with make-kpkg |
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| 09:46.15 | enouf | remoteCTR1: maybe your newer hardware needs/wants etchnhalf? |
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| 09:49.32 | quik__ | anyone got some time to guide me through this partitioning? |
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| 10:00.12 | rchi | quik__, what did you need help with? |
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| 10:03.23 | ace | how can i know which glibc version i m using? |
| 10:04.30 | doublehp | man dpkg |
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| 10:13.36 | Arithmos | hi |
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| 10:17.04 | quik__ | rchi: I have a qnap nas unit. I'm using an arm build of debian |
| 10:17.06 | Arithmos | Which difference between firefox 3.0.1 and iceweasel, because I read that firefox3 now do not use talback, over the icon logo, what are the concret differences |
| 10:17.08 | Arithmos | ? |
| 10:17.11 | quik__ | in the installer now |
| 10:17.31 | quik__ | id like to partition with a JBOD setup for my two disks.. |
| 10:18.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | Arithmos, canonical answer is look at the diff ... |
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| 10:21.35 | Arithmos | fogot canonical, I thing his not the boss of debian community, but iceweasel is a debian projet, then actually is over the logo a signifiant differences, less bugs ? or other thing like security ? |
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| 10:23.43 | Arithmos | I think, soory for the mistake :) |
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| 10:26.28 | quik__ | rchi: Can you be of any help? :) |
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| 10:27.21 | ehtom | iceweasel is firefox, but doesn't have the problem of non-free images and logos |
| 10:27.38 | ehtom | (the firefox logo and some associated things are non-free) |
| 10:27.53 | ehtom | its firefox with redesigned art iirc |
| 10:29.52 | Arithmos | ehtom, sorry but what the acronym iirc seems to be ? |
| 10:30.03 | ehtom | if i remember correctly |
| 10:30.16 | jsaak | you do iirc |
| 10:31.11 | Arithmos | ok :) |
| 10:31.14 | Arithmos | lol |
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| 10:32.19 | Arithmos | Ok, thx a lot guys, Debian rocks, Ubuntu sucks, CU ;) |
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| 10:33.02 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: the problem is as far as i understand that etchnhalf also uses kernel 2.6.26-xy which doesnt support xen for dom0... |
| 10:33.41 | jelly | remoteCTR1: that's only a problem if you use xen. |
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| 10:33.58 | enouf | remoteCTR1: it can use .18-6 or a .24, iinm, otherwise there's a .25 in backports.org - forget about Xen for now ;-) |
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| 10:35.46 | quik__ | so while using the installer, can I create a JBOD array or do I have to wait until the system is running? |
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| 10:38.43 | jelly | quik__: what do you mean, "jbod array"? |
| 10:39.24 | quik__ | jelly: I have a system with two disks, I want to create a single volume.. |
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| 10:41.33 | quik__ | jelly: thats it, nothing special |
| 10:41.34 | ehtom | quik__: create a lvm? |
| 10:41.49 | mohadib | im a little confused, it seems my kernel was compiled with a differient compiler than the compiler lenny has |
| 10:41.51 | quik__ | ehtom: how can I do this in the installer? |
| 10:42.09 | mohadib | this causes problems when compiling certian things |
| 10:42.15 | ehtom | use guided partitioning with lvm2 |
| 10:42.16 | mohadib | why is this? |
| 10:42.21 | ehtom | actually |
| 10:42.22 | ehtom | dont |
| 10:42.27 | whadar | I'm trying to get my tv out working under lenny with my "nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200 TurboCache(TM)]" card... I've tried nv-tv but it says the card is not supported... any idea on how to enable tv out? |
| 10:42.38 | ehtom | you'll need to create the lvm manually if you want it to span 2 disks |
| 10:42.57 | ehtom | but it's still just a case of using the installer |
| 10:43.09 | quik__ | ehtom: so, use guided |
| 10:43.14 | quik__ | and.. er? |
| 10:43.16 | ehtom | no |
| 10:43.21 | ehtom | guided won't quite work |
| 10:43.29 | ehtom | because guided only uses 1 disk |
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| 10:44.51 | quik__ | ehtom: right. so what do I do? |
| 10:45.15 | quik__ | create an empty partition on each disk |
| 10:45.38 | ehtom | yes |
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| 10:45.49 | ehtom | then in the installer there should be a create lvm2 option |
| 10:45.56 | ehtom | so create a volume group |
| 10:46.01 | ehtom | then add the second disk to it |
| 10:46.27 | quik__ | start by making primary partitions? |
| 10:47.56 | zophy | who should be the owner of the files in /etc/init.d ? |
| 10:48.01 | quik__ | hmm |
| 10:48.07 | quik__ | "Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition /dev/sda1 -- Device or â resource busy. " |
| 10:48.30 | ehtom | quik__: umm... where are you trying to do this from? |
| 10:48.39 | quik__ | installer |
| 10:49.05 | quik__ | following this: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/orion/qnap/ts-209/install.html |
| 10:50.23 | ehtom | quik__: what else is the device doing? |
| 10:50.29 | quik__ | right now? |
| 10:50.32 | quik__ | nothing |
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| 10:50.33 | ehtom | like, why is /dev/sda busy? |
| 10:50.43 | quik__ | urm. no idea |
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| 10:51.03 | quik__ | I booted it from the flash and ssh'd to installer |
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| 10:56.54 | doublehp | i have two identical machines; on one, apt freese: http://rafb.net/p/1pviOG41.html ; any clue ? |
| 10:57.12 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.33 | quik__ | ehtom: http://skitch.com/benschwarz/syj1/terminal-ssh-100x30 this is what I have so far |
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| 10:59.49 | mohadib | damn |
| 11:00.07 | mohadib | i compiled 2 kernels tonight and for got -initrd switch |
| 11:00.21 | mohadib | watches the 3rd compile scroll by... |
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| 11:09.55 | doublehp | aptitude upgrade crash : http://rafb.net/paste/ any clue ? |
| 11:11.49 | jelly | doublehp: your paste url is incomplete |
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| 11:12.03 | doublehp | http://rafb.net/p/MKimip25.html |
| 11:12.33 | jelly | that's not a crash |
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| 11:14.14 | jelly | doublehp: /msg dpkg force overwrite, or wait for the packages to be fixed |
| 11:14.29 | jelly | the important bit is |
| 11:14.31 | jelly | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.30_alpha.deb (--unpack): |
| 11:14.31 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.31 | dpkg | jelly: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 11:14.40 | jelly | dpkg: sod off |
| 11:14.40 | dpkg | jelly: I give up, what is it? |
| 11:14.49 | jelly | -> lunch |
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| 11:16.55 | mifritscher | hi |
| 11:17.08 | mifritscher | how can I debug this: http://mifritscher.de/crash.png |
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| 11:17.20 | PiousMinion | tango-icon-theme is non-free? |
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| 11:18.38 | Nakoo | screen |
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| 11:25.36 | doublehp | jelly: yeah ... a bin have been moved from a pack to an other: it was in fact what we call in gentoo a "mutual block". after --force-overwrite on one, i could also update the other one; now, i can dpkg -i any of them, the block is fixed. Thx. |
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| 11:28.06 | nirupama | I get initramfs problem while systme boots |
| 11:28.09 | nirupama | and it habngs there |
| 11:28.17 | nirupama | can anybody help me to boot into the system |
| 11:29.01 | doublehp | jelly: http://rafb.net/p/8Kjluc55.html ? (not the same machine, but very similar) |
| 11:29.24 | doublehp | nirupama: revert older kernels |
| 11:30.04 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: ok thanks (forgetting about xen is a problem cos thats my main target to achieve atm, to get xen running...) |
| 11:30.07 | nirupama | doublehp, ok |
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| 11:34.27 | quik__ | anyone able to guide me in the right direction re: partitioning |
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| 11:36.27 | doublehp | quik__ i can tell you which tool will do *this*, but partitionning is too much a matter of taste and experience |
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| 11:37.05 | quik__ | doublehp: okay. why don't you point me in the right direction? :) at worst I can zero and start again ;) |
| 11:37.15 | doublehp | i can partition for Solaris, Windows, Linux, BSD, VMS, with various partition tables, for any, several, or all OS at the same time on the same disk, on several platforms |
| 11:37.34 | doublehp | depends if the disk contains unsaved data |
| 11:37.39 | doublehp | how many OS you want |
| 11:37.42 | quik__ | just want debian, sharing the two drives as JBOD |
| 11:37.52 | doublehp | if you want it for production, desktop, or flexible future evolution |
| 11:37.55 | quik__ | disks are fine to burn |
| 11:38.04 | quik__ | its a home nas |
| 11:38.11 | quik__ | so, "production"ish |
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| 11:38.29 | doublehp | ( start with a Debian today, but keep room for other distros and BSD later on, want an exchange partition for Windows = FAT32, multiboot with Win, BSD ... ) |
| 11:38.30 | pissmiransbein_ | Hi Leutz!!! |
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| 11:38.43 | pissmiransbein_ | Spricht hier jemand deutsch??? |
| 11:38.52 | doublehp | pissmiransbein_: ENGLISH |
| 11:38.52 | quik__ | doublehp: its a hardware NAS, I don't want anything other than debian |
| 11:39.06 | doublehp | why jbod and not raid0 ? |
| 11:39.54 | quik__ | raid0 would be fine too I guess |
| 11:40.04 | doublehp | if disks are identical, risk is identical, but read and write speed are x2 |
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| 11:40.19 | doublehp | where do you boot ? |
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| 11:41.11 | quik__ | doublehp: where do I boot? |
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| 11:41.40 | doublehp | quik__ ALL my machines have the followinf layout: hda1 is 64M and reserved for Grub: it contains ONLY grub, and the menu; it is my OS selector. dont skip it, even if i only want one main OS |
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| 11:42.10 | quik__ | doublehp: its a totally headless, arm architecture machine, but sure. |
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| 11:42.24 | doublehp | is i only want 1 OS, i put it on hda3, swap on hda4, and put my rescue system on hda2 |
| 11:43.00 | doublehp | if i want several OS, i declare hda4 as extented, and put everything in there (rescue as the first one= hda5 , ALWAYS) |
| 11:43.35 | doublehp | in ANY CASE, i have a rescue OS, a partition of 500 to 800M, always containing a debian (what ever the main target OS is, Windows or BSD ) |
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| 11:44.07 | doublehp | each OS boots in it's partition, so, each OS has to install a MBR in it's own / |
| 11:44.16 | Nathariel | Hey all. Is there anyone running sipx on etch ? |
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| 11:44.34 | doublehp | this way, when i install Windows, MS will over write the main MBR, but, as i reactivate hda1, i recover my OS selector |
| 11:45.05 | doublehp | whatever the problem is, i boot my rescue system, and fix the main one |
| 11:45.17 | quik__ | sound sense |
| 11:45.21 | doublehp | this layout is a problem with raid |
| 11:45.48 | quik__ | how do I even create a raid volume with debian isntaller? |
| 11:46.16 | doublehp | because it causes assymetry in disks; a way to fix this is to boot on CF (you can put a CF in IDE, USB ... ) : the CF for grub and rescue are warantied lifetime as you nearly never mount the RW |
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| 11:46.42 | doublehp | thus, the non redundant boot location will gain longer lifetime than the raid things |
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| 11:47.20 | doublehp | to do all this, i partition first with a live CD, then install the rescue system, then create hda1, then, i do what i need |
| 11:47.41 | doublehp | takes a few hours, but the machine becomes life time reliable, and autonomous whatever happens |
| 11:47.59 | doublehp | quik__ debian installer CLI has an LVM tool included |
| 11:48.13 | quik__ | doublehp: please be aware I'm following this: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/orion/qnap/ts-209/install.html |
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| 11:49.25 | doublehp | no time for reading; i dont this arch; but, as you have any access to the machine during reboot, you can do anything |
| 11:50.05 | quik__ | "Since the TS-209 boots from flash you don't have many limitations as to how you partition your hard drive. You can use LVM and RAID and a number of filesystem. " |
| 11:50.20 | doublehp | quik__ when using exclusively debian installer, it creates nice bootable systems whatever happens; there is a debian LVM & raid tuto |
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| 11:50.27 | quik__ | so I'd just like to make a LVM or RAID volume.. |
| 11:50.32 | doublehp | how large is that flash ? |
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| 11:51.26 | doublehp | there is a difference between boot, and boot : |
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| 11:51.55 | doublehp | in my case, hda1 is only used to run the MBR; while the rescue partition wontains a full system (can fit 300M if you are good) |
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| 11:52.30 | doublehp | so, if the flash is 32M, you can only store a kernel; but if it's >500M, you can put a rescue system in, what is way more convenient :) |
| 11:52.47 | quik__ | doublehp: no idea. I assume it will do the job without a rescue though |
| 11:52.53 | doublehp | ( CF 4G = 10 euros ; 16G=40 euros ) |
| 11:53.20 | doublehp | usb or IDE adapter: 8 e |
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| 11:54.11 | doublehp | quik__ many flash systems are only 4M; you need to know, because 2.6 kernels rapidly go over 6 or 8M ... |
| 11:54.20 | doublehp | (when you include ramdisk) |
| 11:54.51 | doublehp | my gentoo uses 5M per kernel, and i have small RDs |
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| 11:55.51 | doublehp | quik__ for the tools, if you skip the rescue system, you can rely on the debian installer; it's very good. Just prepare yourself to install it 4 or 5 times before understanding the concepts of LVM :) |
| 11:55.58 | doublehp | it worth it |
| 11:56.09 | quik__ | yes I get that |
| 11:56.14 | quik__ | I expect I will |
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| 12:06.24 | datacrusher | hi folks |
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| 12:19.41 | pippijn | how can I do transparency with debian etch? |
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| 12:20.06 | Tex-Twil | Hello |
| 12:20.07 | pippijn | (can I?) |
| 12:20.34 | Tex-Twil | please, what do I need to install on Debian if I want to be able to run X application via a ssh -X session ? |
| 12:21.09 | themill | !sshx |
| 12:21.09 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
| 12:21.49 | Tex-Twil | thanks themill |
| 12:21.57 | themill | np |
| 12:22.54 | doublehp | pippijn: search RECENT tutos about composite (tuto or forum). anything onlder than 6 months is outofdate |
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| 12:23.26 | pippijn | okay |
| 12:23.30 | pippijn | thanks |
| 12:23.33 | doublehp | pippijn: ideally an up to date wiki, like http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Xorg_X11_and_Transparency |
| 12:24.47 | doublehp | Tex-Twil: pentium2 350, 800M disk, 128M ram (256 better) ; run sshd server with X11 forwarind option on; if clients are in trouble connecting on it, use this command to log in: "ssh -CXY login@server" |
| 12:25.18 | doublehp | Tex-Twil: there are also dozen variety of VNC and VNC like solution |
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| 12:27.51 | Tex-Twil | doublehp, thx, themill gave me the answer. What I wanted to know was the apt-get install xbase-clients |
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| 12:29.08 | abrotman | doublehp: that isn't likely to work on etch .. at all |
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| 12:29.38 | doublehp | ? |
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| 12:30.38 | abrotman | doublehp: the gentoo-wiki thing for pippijn .. he's running etch .. |
| 12:30.51 | abrotman | and why would you give him gentoo docs for debian ? |
| 12:31.12 | pippijn | xcompmgr is not in etch, only in lenny |
| 12:31.17 | doublehp | abrotman: i said "recent like this one" |
| 12:31.21 | pippijn | and lenny is binary incompatible |
| 12:31.23 | pippijn | with etch |
| 12:31.26 | pippijn | libc incompatible |
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| 12:31.36 | themill | doublehp: but etch is not "recent" so why would you need recent docs? |
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| 12:32.03 | abrotman | pippijn: ignore what doublehp gave you .. it is useless |
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| 12:33.50 | pippijn | I'll try to build it myself |
| 12:34.03 | abrotman | why? |
| 12:34.08 | pippijn | because it's not in etch |
| 12:34.10 | abrotman | pippijn: what video card do you have? |
| 12:34.17 | abrotman | pippijn: ignore everything doublehp told you |
| 12:34.24 | pippijn | nvidia geforce go gs 9700 |
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| 12:34.43 | abrotman | pippijn: how did you install the nvidia drivers? |
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| 12:34.49 | pippijn | via the debian package |
| 12:35.09 | abrotman | so you have no GLX? |
| 12:35.20 | pippijn | hm |
| 12:35.21 | pippijn | I do.. |
| 12:35.23 | abrotman | IIRC the nvidia packages in etch only support up to 8xxx |
| 12:35.32 | pippijn | maybe I installed it using the driver from the website |
| 12:35.42 | pippijn | but I don't think I did |
| 12:35.44 | abrotman | it does matter |
| 12:35.52 | pippijn | ok, let me check |
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| 12:36.34 | pippijn | ok, it seems to be from the website: /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libnvidia-tls.so.173.14.09 |
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| 12:36.53 | DASPRiD | some program is blocking port 80 so i cant start apache, how to find out, which? |
| 12:37.04 | doublehp | how to know the number of active CPUs on Alpha ? when i press '1' in top, i am shown only one, whereas "cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep detected" says 2 ... did i forget SMP in my kernel ? |
| 12:37.05 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 12:37.12 | abrotman | kids and their toys |
| 12:37.21 | abrotman | doublehp: use something better than top |
| 12:37.28 | abrotman | DASPRiD: your ISP perhaps? |
| 12:37.32 | pippijn | on the other hand, I have only got the /usr/lib/libnvidia-tls.so.1.0.8776 and similar files in non-emul |
| 12:37.42 | DASPRiD | abrotman, no its on my dedicated server |
| 12:37.55 | DASPRiD | it worked 10 hours ago |
| 12:37.57 | doublehp | abrotman: => "what ?" |
| 12:39.09 | doublehp | abrotman: on an other machine, top '1' shows 4 CPUs, but, it's a gentoo, so, i will not assume top is *exactly* the same in debian and gentoo on such an arch in this kind of details :) |
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| 12:39.39 | DASPRiD | so how to find out, which program is using port 80? |
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| 12:40.14 | doublehp | DASPRiD: eyars ago, used to use "lsof -n |grep 80" or "lsof -n |grep www" |
| 12:40.20 | Maliuta | DASPRiD: netstat -tlnp |
| 12:40.21 | abrotman | doublehp: use something better than top |
| 12:40.27 | abrotman | DASPRiD: fuser -n tcp 80 |
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| 12:42.41 | DASPRiD | thx you all |
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| 12:50.35 | liable | welcome back everone |
| 12:50.56 | umarzuki | woa..so many peeps |
| 12:51.06 | zophy | how does start-stop-daemon derive the name it uses for the /var/run pid file ? |
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| 12:57.29 | nachos | anyone use etch as a guest on VirtualBox 2.0.2... i installed the guest additions and the clipboard feature doesnt work at all. |
| 12:57.45 | jelly | nachos: which host? |
| 12:58.01 | nachos | Vista 32bit |
| 12:58.12 | jelly | nachos: tried to ask in #vbox yet? |
| 12:58.26 | nachos | ill give that a shot, thanks. |
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| 12:59.00 | jelly | there are a couple innotek^WSun engineers there |
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| 12:59.58 | umarzuki | guys, i'm trying to install package from iso made with aptoncd, but how can i set the iso as repo instead burning it first. i'm using lenny btw |
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| 13:00.34 | OpenTokix | Anyone know if you can do different things based on hourly or daily in rsnapshot? |
| 13:01.30 | rorrrr | umarzuki : mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mnt/path |
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| 13:08.10 | zophy | how does start-stop-daemon derive the name it uses for the /var/run pid file ? |
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| 13:10.49 | keith80403 | Anyone know what the keystroke is in Konqueror to return the font to normal, if you've used Ctrl- to shrink or Ctrl+ to enlarge it? Other browsers use Ctrl-0 (zero.) |
| 13:12.13 | abrotman | keith80403: tried asking #kde ? |
| 13:12.39 | keith80403 | Yes, a few times. This is the best channel. (-: |
| 13:12.52 | abrotman | for asking kde questions? |
| 13:12.52 | keith80403 | WIll try again on other #'s. |
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| 13:12.58 | abrotman | or even #debian-kde ? |
| 13:13.03 | ehtom | he's probably right... it probably is :S |
| 13:13.37 | keith80403 | abrotman, tried several times on #debian-kde. I won't ask again here, but the more fish the better the fishing. |
| 13:13.46 | abrotman | or ##linux? |
| 13:13.52 | abrotman | i've seen you ask a few times here .. last week |
| 13:14.06 | abrotman | you could have read all the source by now :) |
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| 13:14.26 | keith80403 | abrotman, Yep, zero responses. Thanks for replying, I'll check out some other channels. |
| 13:15.25 | js_ | did you check the konqueror shortkey menu? |
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| 13:15.49 | WormFood | what package do I want to install for TOR support (in sid)...I only ask here because "apt-cache search tor" returns over 5000 packages |
| 13:16.32 | js_ | WormFood: try apt-cache search ^tor |
| 13:18.07 | stew | or apt-cache search onion router |
| 13:18.09 | meeero | is there something special required to enable dlz-mysql or dlz-postgres in BIND by it's default apt-installation? i just can't get it working, i do have to compile BIND for myself using e.g. --with-dlz-mysql, but i'd like to use debian's apt-package |
| 13:18.45 | datacrusher | im managing a backup script, but the one i got from google uses the /bin/date folder, wich dont have on debian etch, where can i grab the date string? |
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| 13:19.26 | datacrusher | TODAY='/bin/date | /bin/cut -c 1-3' |
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| 13:20.02 | dustybin | i cannot get my PXE client to mount /proc or /sys, if i edit the fstab and state: proc /proc proc defaults 0 1 when the PXE client boots it erases the fstab and only mentions: |
| 13:20.06 | dustybin | /dev/root / rootfs defaults 0 0 |
| 13:20.09 | dustybin | tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,nosuid,nodev 0 0 |
| 13:20.13 | WormFood | ahh...thanks js_, I didn't know it would use regular expressions |
| 13:20.26 | mbroeker | datacrusher, the date command is in coreutils and therefore, on every debian system |
| 13:20.43 | dustybin | mount on my PXE client says this: |
| 13:20.45 | dustybin | none on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec) |
| 13:20.45 | dustybin | none on /proc type proc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec) |
| 13:21.23 | datacrusher | [mbroeker]: hm.. my script said theres an error on this line, i was looking for the commands, but i dont see where i missed |
| 13:21.26 | WormFood | I'm so pissed, I can't connect to my openvpn server in usa, so I have to resort to using tor to get the the web sites I want to use :( |
| 13:21.45 | dustybin | i think ive found the problem: |
| 13:21.49 | dustybin | 192.168.1.65:/opt/ltsp/i386 on / type nfs (ro,vers=3,rsize=131072,wsize=131072,namlen=255,hard,nointr,nolock,proto=tcp,timeo=7,retrans=10,sec=sys,mountproto=udp,addr=192.168.1.65) |
| 13:21.50 | mbroeker | datacrusher, you cannot run >>date<< on your box? |
| 13:21.56 | datacrusher | yes |
| 13:22.30 | datacrusher | as you said, its an embebbed utility, i think its just my script line thats crappy |
| 13:22.31 | abrotman | datacrusher: `which date` |
| 13:22.40 | datacrusher | TODAY='/bin/date | /bin/cut -c 1-3' |
| 13:22.45 | datacrusher | to get the days of the week |
| 13:22.50 | mike0029 | When I boot my etch system on the 2.6.18-6-686 kernel, it fails to find the HD 1/5 times. When I boot in etchnhalf (and add irqpoll to grub), the drive loads but it wont recognize my NIC. |
| 13:22.53 | mike0029 | Any ideas? |
| 13:23.18 | datacrusher | when i white by hand, it works |
| 13:23.24 | datacrusher | date | cut -c 1-3 |
| 13:23.55 | datacrusher | wont it bug my script, if i take off the command path? |
| 13:24.23 | WormFood | is there any way to route traffic through tor with the route command, like I can with openvpn?...I don't want all my traffic to go through tor, only specific IPs |
| 13:24.30 | mbroeker | it doesn't really matter, because date will be in your path, datacrusher |
| 13:24.31 | petemc | datacrusher: you dont seem to be using backticks |
| 13:25.14 | datacrusher | im very newbie to that, lemme put the context. I created a file "gravar.sh" and edited it by hand, taking some other backup script files for example |
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| 13:25.45 | stew | 'date +%a' |
| 13:25.55 | datacrusher | it that correct, a script its .sh extension? thats my first doubt. The other its (from my msdos bad experience) to put the correct folder path for the commands |
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| 13:26.23 | datacrusher | [stew]: thats MUCH better |
| 13:26.23 | datacrusher | ahuehae |
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| 13:26.38 | tralala | datacrusher, there is no extension and it doesn't matter what is the name of your scripts |
| 13:26.45 | datacrusher | hm. nice |
| 13:26.59 | WormFood | like for example. how the hell do I make dns use tor? (yes, my DNS queries are filtered too, as fuckin' crazy as it sounds) |
| 13:27.33 | idimmu_ | do you download much kiddie porn? |
| 13:28.08 | tralala | idimmu, wanna trade?! |
| 13:28.25 | idimmu | heh |
| 13:28.37 | idimmu | im good without any ta! |
| 13:28.41 | WormFood | I'm in China, so I have to pole vault over the great firewall of china now |
| 13:28.58 | jelly | !rc count |
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| 13:29.05 | idimmu | ouch |
| 13:29.30 | tralala | WormFood, just change the default openvpn port or use an ssh-based vpn |
| 13:29.34 | abrotman | !rc bugs |
| 13:29.35 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html or http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=lenny |
| 13:29.37 | WormFood | they fuck with dns queries for dynamic IP services, so I need to route dns through it too |
| 13:29.39 | idimmu | now the olympics is finished is it all closed off again? (however open it may or maynot have been during hte olympics ... ) |
| 13:29.47 | jelly | thanks, abrotman |
| 13:29.51 | WormFood | tralala, I have openvpn, but I can't connect to my server in usa |
| 13:30.05 | WormFood | and I can't contact anyone there to fuckin' fix it....I'm so pissed |
| 13:30.10 | abrotman | WormFood: really? |
| 13:30.13 | tralala | WormFood, so try changing the default port: it might be filtered |
| 13:30.35 | WormFood | at least it should be working tomorrow morning, as my uncle will stop by my house, and rattle my cousin's cage (who is renting my house, while I'm in China) |
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| 13:30.40 | tralala | WormFood, also don't you have any ssh access to the server? |
| 13:30.55 | WormFood | tralala, I can't ssh into the machine, and I run ssh on an odd port |
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| 13:31.03 | WormFood | I can ssh into the other machines at home |
| 13:31.27 | abrotman | WormFood: wait .. where is your server located geographically? |
| 13:31.27 | WormFood | and china does not seem to be interested in blocking openvpn, and foreign companies are allowed to use it |
| 13:31.27 | tralala | use them for a vpn in that case |
| 13:31.30 | WormFood | my server is in Florida |
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| 13:31.40 | abrotman | oh well .. have fun with tor |
| 13:32.03 | bravvve | hi,have any one experience with eclipse android? |
| 13:32.05 | WormFood | yeah, it seems tor is a shitty fit for what I'm wanting/needing....I want/need it to act like a network device |
| 13:32.22 | abrotman | tough .. deal with it ... quit whining |
| 13:32.38 | WormFood | I don't want to proxy everything through tor, just to get to one or two site |
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| 13:32.52 | WormFood | abrotman, I'm not whining, I'm asking :P |
| 13:33.02 | WormFood | and bitching |
| 13:33.09 | jelly | WormFood: if ssh's socks proxy works for udp forwarding, you might be able to use a socksified (LD_PRELOADed) shell to do lookups |
| 13:33.12 | abrotman | and cursing an awful lot |
| 13:33.24 | abrotman | WormFood: tor has a splendid man page .. |
| 13:34.22 | WormFood | abrotman, I'm not cursing "an awful lot".....you can tell when I'm very pissed by how many times I say "Fuck" ;) |
| 13:34.40 | abrotman | looks like an awful lot to me.. and that's pretty sad |
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| 13:34.57 | WormFood | thanks for the suggestion jelly, but I'll just wait until I get my openvpn server running again, or run it on a different machine |
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| 13:35.32 | WormFood | abrotman, wow, you must be a virgin then if you think that |
| 13:35.44 | abrotman | WormFood: don't you have documentation to read? |
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| 13:36.17 | WormFood | no, I have google cached pages to read (which is blocked for me) |
| 13:36.23 | WormFood | thanks for the help guys |
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| 13:41.05 | datacrusher | how do i delete a non empty folder? |
| 13:41.23 | Eulex | datacrusher, rm -r (recursive) |
| 13:41.30 | datacrusher | thanks! |
| 13:41.43 | x1250 | datacrusher, reading the manual ? |
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| 13:42.18 | bravvve | eclipse,android under debian,any one???? |
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| 13:42.57 | datacrusher | i typed rm --help, and on the first line its just "-- to remove a folder thats not empty" |
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| 13:43.59 | varlon | hi, when will be releas of Lenny? |
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| 13:44.07 | noboru | hi guys |
| 13:44.15 | noboru | i just ran tcpdump -X -s 0 -w test.cap port 80 |
| 13:44.17 | stew | varlon: when it no longer has any release critical bugs: /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 13:44.21 | noboru | but how do i quiet it ? |
| 13:44.53 | noboru | hi stew how are you |
| 13:45.12 | varlon | stew, thanks |
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| 13:45.21 | stew | hi, i'm fine |
| 13:45.33 | OpenTokix | Can you in my.cnf or elsewhere define the time interval mysql dumps a bin-log? |
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| 13:45.42 | OpenTokix | Looks like default is every day, I want to do it every hour |
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| 13:46.44 | noboru | stew, do you know how to i quiet it ? i just ran tcpdump -X -s 0 -w test.cap port |
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| 13:49.27 | Fox_1_ | in debian etch tcphdr struct hasn't port information. how can I get it? |
| 13:49.47 | Fox_1_ | I have looked in netinet/tcp.h |
| 13:51.11 | noboru | strange,i run ps auxw ,there is a process named SCREEN |
| 13:51.15 | noboru | what is that ? |
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| 13:53.05 | ProNoob | when i install mysql-server, how do i login ? like what is the initial password ? |
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| 13:54.08 | dustybin | ive found a bug in the lenny LTSP login screen, when you enter a username and password it says 'verifying...' but nothing happens |
| 13:55.18 | noboru | root 15241 0.0 0.0 2852 732 pts/0 S+ 21:53 0:00 grep SCREEN # does this mean this is the monitor daemon ? |
| 13:55.33 | SerajewelKS | is there a way to prevent messages from syslogd from causing a beep? |
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| 13:55.41 | noboru | root 18514 0.0 0.0 3956 1080 ? Ss Sep11 0:00 SCREEN |
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| 13:55.49 | SerajewelKS | i cannot mute my "speaker" and these beeps are horribly annoying in class |
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| 13:56.19 | tralala | SerajewelKS, stop the terminal from beeping |
| 13:56.53 | petemc | !bell |
| 13:56.53 | dpkg | bell is, like, "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell, or for .26 and newer modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module |
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| 13:57.27 | noboru | hmmm |
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| 13:58.18 | ProNoob | when i install mysql-server, how do i login ? like what is the initial password ? |
| 13:59.15 | petemc | ProNoob: look in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian |
| 13:59.16 | SerajewelKS | petemc: afaict it's actually nothing to do with X or the terminal, but is either coming from syslogd or the message daemon itself |
| 13:59.29 | petemc | SerajewelKS: did you try any of those commands? |
| 14:00.25 | noboru | can anyone tell me ,can i kill this process 'SCREEN' ? |
| 14:00.40 | SerajewelKS | petemc: is blength system-wide or just the current VT, and will it persist between boots? |
| 14:01.28 | abrotman | noboru: try it and see |
| 14:01.31 | petemc | SerajewelKS: it wont persist across reboots, and it should just set your terminal attributes |
| 14:01.38 | rto | noboru: Yep, just kill it: killall screen (or killall -9 screen to be persistant) |
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| 14:01.59 | doublehp | untrusted packages problem: http://rafb.net/p/atCKHb98.html i already found a fix in the past, but today, i dont remember (and google did not help me today ) |
| 14:02.31 | doublehp | rto: NEVER kill screen: detach it !!! |
| 14:02.40 | nikolavp | is there a way to see all the enabled processes for a runlevel |
| 14:02.42 | nikolavp | ? |
| 14:02.44 | noboru | abrotman, and rto ,but i m not sure where did it from |
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| 14:02.56 | doublehp | rto: screen -x to double attach screen -d to remote detach |
| 14:03.09 | rto | doublehp: Hey, if the guy wants to kill it why not let him. |
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| 14:03.45 | SerajewelKS | petemc: i am only logged in with X, and i already have console beeps turned off. so either i need a way to stop beeping on VTs that are not logged in (if that is the issue) or a way to tell syslogd or the message daemon itself not to beep. |
| 14:03.46 | SerajewelKS | or a fucking "pc speaker" volume control... |
| 14:03.47 | doublehp | this kind of people dont know what they want, and, ask a question that will not lead to an answer solving their real problem, or , the bad way |
| 14:04.05 | fireba11 | Iv;1dvB3 |
| 14:04.09 | fireba11 | crap |
| 14:04.29 | datacrusher | hm. i made a huge misteke setting a whole partiton for my /home folder, wich i need to backup daily. How do i manage the partitions, without messing with the data? |
| 14:04.30 | doublehp | rto: 99% he does not know about screen -d |
| 14:04.38 | petemc | SerajewelKS: did you try xset b off ? |
| 14:04.42 | doublehp | and screen -rx |
| 14:04.48 | et | /msg nickserv ghost fireba11 Iv;1dvB3 |
| 14:04.50 | datacrusher | i need to make a new partition on the free space |
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| 14:04.57 | py_ | hello |
| 14:05.02 | abrotman | noboru: SCREEN is an application |
| 14:05.04 | cromag | et: that was very public. |
| 14:05.31 | et | cromag: i was just making fun of < fireba11> Iv;1dvB3 < fireba11> crap |
| 14:05.38 | cromag | my bad then :) |
| 14:06.00 | et | hmm |
| 14:06.07 | noboru | abrotman, it is SCREEN,not screen ,i know the second one ,but im not sure that first one. |
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| 14:06.19 | et | i guess i'm partly guilty for that ;) |
| 14:06.22 | petemc | SerajewelKS: ive never had syslog beep at me, for any beep related problems ive had, one of those two commands mentioned has solved it |
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| 14:06.26 | datacrusher | hmmm i thikn gparted will do the trick |
| 14:06.56 | py_ | On a debian etch box, I have a module mhich is loaded automatically at boot (it is not in /etc/modules). I would like to add it a parameter when loaded. I tried adding the module in /etc/modules with the parameter I want, but it isn't taken into account. What's the proper way to achieve this? |
| 14:07.08 | fireba11 | et thanks a lot ^^ |
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| 14:07.48 | SerajewelKS | petemc: i can give xset a shot. where should i configure this to persist? |
| 14:08.54 | jelly | py_: echo "options snd-hda-intel model=hp" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local (or any other file there) |
| 14:09.27 | j_pinx_away | I am trying to do grub-install /dev/hdc1 and it finds /boot/grub but then just hangs - any ideas anyone? |
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| 14:11.20 | noboru | abrotman, may i ask,in the USA,do you use 110v as the standard ? |
| 14:11.35 | abrotman | 110-120 is the variance i believe |
| 14:12.47 | noboru | I see.thank you abrotman . |
| 14:12.58 | abrotman | thinks there is a #electronics |
| 14:13.00 | mquin | "In the United States and Canada, national standards specify that the nominal voltage at the source should be 120 V and allow a range of 114 to 126 V (-5% to +5%)." |
| 14:13.44 | fireba11 | et now how to change the password .. ^^ |
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| 14:16.07 | fireba11 | can someone tell me what the key is nickserv wants to change a password ? |
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| 14:19.12 | petemc | SerajewelKS: ~/.xsession or xinitrd, probably |
| 14:19.23 | petemc | s/rd/rc/ |
| 14:20.28 | py_ | jelly: it works, thanks a lot |
| 14:20.49 | SerajewelKS | petemc: ok, i'll give it a shot |
| 14:22.10 | et | fireba11: your old password? |
| 14:22.23 | fireba11 | tried |
| 14:22.38 | themill | fireba11: try #freenode |
| 14:23.27 | et | fireba11: /msg nickserv help set password |
| 14:23.59 | fireba11 | ow thanks |
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| 14:26.17 | fireba11 | et i tried setpass, set password is not listed in nickserv help :-) |
| 14:26.24 | fl0w | If I have a file on my computer, can I transfer it from my computer to destination through cmd-ssh somehow? |
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| 14:26.43 | SerajewelKS | fl0w: what is "cmd |
| 14:26.46 | SerajewelKS | -ssh" |
| 14:26.47 | fl0w | oops |
| 14:26.58 | fl0w | uhm, I can't see, my IRC client is bugged, can you /msg me or something? |
| 14:27.06 | SerajewelKS | no |
| 14:27.16 | SerajewelKS | fl0w: what did you mean by "cmd-ssh"? |
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| 14:42.48 | abrotman | judd: versions tor |
| 14:42.49 | judd | abrotman: tor: |
| 14:42.56 | abrotman | i broke it already |
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| 14:43.23 | abrotman | stew: i didn't mean to break it! |
| 14:43.59 | stew | hrm |
| 14:44.19 | ^shark_ | has anybody seen "DSsmtp_gate" in their sendmail.cf? what does this stand for, i have tried to google around for it but cant find it |
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| 14:44.42 | abrotman | stew: bts .. it seems your bot interaction log on your blog is .. backwards? |
| 14:44.54 | abrotman | erm .. btw |
| 14:44.59 | stew | abrotman: yes, the <stew> got eaten. it should be fixed at the next update |
| 14:45.05 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 14:45.07 | stew | judd: versions libc6 |
| 14:45.08 | judd | stew: libc6: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 (etch) |
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| 14:45.22 | stew | oh, excellent, we got it mid update |
| 14:45.27 | abrotman | oh .. and there's no tor in etch |
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| 14:45.42 | abrotman | stew: can you make him reference bpo too? |
| 14:45.46 | abrotman | her? |
| 14:46.00 | stew | abrotman: will do |
| 14:46.03 | abrotman | does judd hookup with molly at the end of the day? |
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| 14:47.41 | abrotman | judd: dstats etch |
| 14:47.42 | judd | abrotman: Error: "dstats" is not a valid command. |
| 14:47.45 | abrotman | oh well |
| 14:47.57 | abrotman | takes it to msg |
| 14:48.18 | themill | I presume the new toy is as well-documented as the rest of the bots... |
| 14:48.57 | abrotman | themill: documentation is for managers! |
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| 14:49.25 | themill | yay |
| 14:49.30 | abrotman | stew: what about different dependencies based on version of debian ? |
| 14:49.38 | abrotman | tries to overload stew |
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| 14:51.55 | meeero | i've got bind 9.5 from apt installed and just can't use it with dlz, it says <unsupported DLZ database driver 'mysql'.>, any ideas why? |
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| 14:56.43 | justin | meeero: because when you installed dlz you didnt install it with mysql support? |
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| 15:00.56 | meeero | but how? apt-cache search dlz returns nothing |
| 15:01.30 | meeero | so i did not even install dlz or something, i assumed it's in the bind9-package |
| 15:01.31 | meeero | which i doubt anyway, usually this would require mysql and postgres-libraries |
| 15:01.42 | meeero | i read about seperate packages, but as i sais, searching for dlz returnet nothing |
| 15:01.54 | datacrusher | im trying to resize my partiton, where /home is. but on gparted i cant umount the partition, it says its busy. how can i resize it then? |
| 15:02.08 | meeero | i'm using lenny, btw. |
| 15:03.28 | abrotman | datacrusher: boot single user mode |
| 15:03.33 | abrotman | or use a rescue CD |
| 15:03.37 | abrotman | or liveCD |
| 15:03.58 | datacrusher | how do i boot on single user? iv reused the cd |
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| 15:08.09 | meeero | justin: the changelog says that dlz is enabled since 9.5 |
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| 15:09.09 | doublehp | apt-get -f install wants to install something too big for my disk; all other operations say to run apt-get -f install first; how to make apt-get forget about the half installed thing ? |
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| 15:21.32 | keith4 | doublehp: apt-get remove it? |
| 15:21.43 | doublehp | => -f install |
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| 15:29.09 | unenough | how do I restore a config file to the default that came with the .deb? |
| 15:29.17 | abrotman | !tell unenough about confmiss |
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| 15:29.58 | SamuraiDio | hi |
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| 15:30.47 | SamuraiDio | i have an issue with udb storage devices. udev creates the /dev/sda, but the device does not appear on devices sectin of nautilus/thunar/konqueror |
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| 15:31.10 | blue` | my debian will shutdown because of critical tempreture, does any body know how to configure it? |
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| 15:33.04 | dcnoye | has python2.4 been dropped from python-dev ? where could I go to find out ? |
| 15:33.45 | abrotman | dcnoye: in lenny? |
| 15:34.05 | dcnoye | abrotman: yes |
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| 15:35.58 | dcnoye | abrotman: the header files only appear to be in the /usr/include/python2.5/ folder ..... |
| 15:36.01 | dcnoye | wth |
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| 15:36.20 | tengulre | what's wrong ? protocol 0003 is buggy |
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| 15:37.48 | abrotman | dcnoye: python 2.5 is the default in lenny |
| 15:38.57 | dcnoye | would a simple symbolic link solve that... I recall this working before... maybe I'm crazy |
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| 15:39.07 | hejux | hi |
| 15:39.16 | blue` | nobody knows that? |
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| 15:39.42 | pippeus | hallo, i need some help |
| 15:39.57 | pippeus | i would like to run a script on usb insertion. How can i grab it from? |
| 15:40.00 | pippeus | like udev |
| 15:40.20 | hejux | i've got a problem about suse linux , could i ask here ? cause no one anwser me in #suse |
| 15:40.38 | themill | dcnoye: wouldn't installing the python2.4-dev package be the appropriate course of action? |
| 15:40.41 | pippeus | if i insert a pen, the script should run automatically knowing the device /dev/ |
| 15:40.42 | themill | hejux: sorry, no. |
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| 15:41.25 | hejux | themill--> got it , thanks |
| 15:41.40 | dcnoye | themill: thanks, didn't see it there the first time did a " aptitude search python " |
| 15:41.51 | abrotman | hejux: ask #suse .. #opensuse or ##linux |
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| 15:42.10 | abrotman | oh .. no more #opensuse .. oh well |
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| 15:42.34 | stiv2k | does a hard disk typically consume a lot of power? for example would I be saving much if I took out 1 out of my 2 hard disks from my laptop? |
| 15:43.17 | felix-da-catz | stiv2k: depends on the rpm and other factors, but yes it will save you quite a bit of power |
| 15:43.19 | unfo | stiv2k: yes. Replace it with flash memory such as an SD card. |
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| 15:43.31 | unfo | They use far less power. |
| 15:43.38 | amphi | stiv2k: some; but you could just use hdparm to spin it down, if you don't use it much |
| 15:44.08 | unfo | your laptop holds 2 hard disks? how big is the laptop? is it one of those like 16" screen desktop replacements? |
| 15:44.11 | unfo | amphi++ |
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| 15:44.56 | stiv2k | felix-da-catz: unfo: amphi: I have my windows partition on the other disk and I rarely use it so I feel like it's wasting power when it's mounted all the time and likely spinning :S |
| 15:45.21 | amphi | stiv2k: put it out of its misery with hdparm ;) |
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| 15:45.40 | unfo | stiv2k: why not just move windows to your main hard disk? |
| 15:45.48 | stiv2k | amphi: im afraid I might break something if I mess with hdparm :/ I don't really know how to use it |
| 15:46.00 | stiv2k | unfo: it is on my "main" hard disk (sda1) |
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| 15:46.10 | stiv2k | unfo: I have linux on sdb |
| 15:46.16 | unfo | stiv2k: why not move everything onto one disk? |
| 15:46.36 | stiv2k | unfo: I dunno, the laptop came with 2 disks so that's just how I set it up |
| 15:46.51 | unfo | stiv2k: gparted(1) is your friend :) |
| 15:46.52 | amphi | stiv2k: but you boot from sdb by means of the bios option when booting linux? |
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| 15:47.08 | stiv2k | amphi: grub |
| 15:47.25 | amphi | stiv2k: on sdb? |
| 15:47.38 | unfo | stiv2k: your laptop holds 2 hard disks? how big is the laptop? is it one of those like 16" screen desktop replacements? |
| 15:47.39 | stiv2k | amphi: I think grub is on the master boot record |
| 15:47.45 | stiv2k | unfo: 17" yes |
| 15:47.52 | stiv2k | unfo: it weighs like 7 or 8 pounds |
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| 15:48.16 | stiv2k | unfo: HP pavilion dv9009nr |
| 15:48.47 | stiv2k | I don't quite like it for that reason :( |
| 15:48.53 | stiv2k | wishes he had a smaller laptop |
| 15:48.54 | unfo | a luggable laptop. :( |
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| 15:49.08 | cahoot | not vera long battery life |
| 15:49.16 | stiv2k | its actually not bad |
| 15:49.21 | stiv2k | about 2 to 2.5 hours |
| 15:49.25 | unfo | stiv2k: why did you buy it? was it a good price? |
| 15:49.34 | stiv2k | unfo: ever hear of Black Friday? :P |
| 15:49.38 | unfo | nope |
| 15:49.40 | amphi | stiv2k: hdparm -S1 /dev/sda tells the disk to spin down after 5 seconds of inactivity |
| 15:49.54 | stiv2k | amphi: do I need to be root for that??????? |
| 15:49.54 | unfo | amphi: 5 seconds sounds a bit aggressive to me |
| 15:49.57 | unfo | stiv2k: yes |
| 15:50.30 | stiv2k | unfo: black friday is this thing best buy does right after thanksgiving... they have ridiculous sales on all of their electronics |
| 15:50.36 | amphi | stiv2k: hdparm -Y /dev/sda will shut it down completely |
| 15:50.51 | stiv2k | unfo: got this baby for $999, at the time it was about $1299 |
| 15:50.58 | amphi | unfo: no reason why not if he just wants to spin down and stay spun down |
| 15:51.05 | unfo | my next laptop purchase will be a used one. |
| 15:51.20 | stiv2k | amphi: can I easily spin it back up if I need? |
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| 15:51.36 | unfo | amphi: 1 minute is fine too :) then if stiv2k uses it, it will stay spinning for a whole minute, which is convenient. |
| 15:51.39 | justin | doublehp: try dpkg -r ? |
| 15:51.47 | justin | oops, was scrolled up a few hours :) |
| 15:51.52 | unfo | justin: lol |
| 15:51.55 | stiv2k | justin: lol |
| 15:52.08 | amphi | stiv2k: from -S spindown, yes; from -Y, the manpage says the linux ide drive can wake it up, but I've not tried it myself |
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| 15:52.44 | amphi | stiv2k: I would try -Y and see if attempting to mount a partition on /dev/sda wakes up the device |
| 15:53.06 | amphi | stiv2k: -Y uses less power (perhaps none) than -S |
| 15:53.15 | stiv2k | amphi: what would happen if I tried to stop the hard disk that I'm running linux off of? :P |
| 15:53.20 | amphi | stiv2k: neither are 'dangerous' options |
| 15:53.59 | hejux | ? |
| 15:54.01 | unfo | stiv2k: use gparted to consolidate all your data on one disk, then use the 2nd disk for on-site backup |
| 15:54.04 | amphi | stiv2k: in the case of -S1, it'd just get spun up in short order; as I said, I don't know about -Y |
| 15:54.11 | doublehp | justin: i did -r on other packages untill i free enough room :) could not do -r on "not yet installed" ... so, yes, -r is the solution, but, not the way a newby would think of :) |
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| 15:54.56 | justin | doublehp: ah.. there probably were other ways to fix it, but the way you did it was most likely the most straightforward |
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| 15:55.20 | amphi | stiv2k: a slightly longer spindown timeout and fiddling with vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs might be better for sdb |
| 15:56.02 | abrotman | i think he could have set the status manually |
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| 16:06.43 | scott_w | i'm having a hellish time with sound under KDE =/ |
| 16:06.55 | abrotman | tried holy water? |
| 16:07.04 | scott_w | a few times |
| 16:07.16 | abrotman | we'd need some more description of the problem if you want actual help :) |
| 16:07.18 | scott_w | if i set the sound server to use alsa, i get no sound, but amarok works |
| 16:07.19 | SparFux | Some improvements to the hints on moving debian from one disk to another manually with reinstalling it. |
| 16:07.21 | SparFux | http://pastebin.com/dc5cf045 |
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| 16:07.35 | scott_w | if i set it to use OSS, i get sound but the quality is horrific |
| 16:07.40 | abrotman | scott_w: is arts running ? |
| 16:08.01 | scott_w | yup |
| 16:08.17 | Speereet | A newbie question: does associating with a wireless network depend on anything else but the AP's or the clients WiFi drivers? Where can I learn more about this? |
| 16:08.28 | abrotman | thought arts was the surefire way to get complete and utter sound failure |
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| 16:08.41 | scott_w | you thought right |
| 16:08.48 | abrotman | so kill it? |
| 16:09.15 | justin | Speereet: what do you mean by depend? |
| 16:09.26 | abrotman | like .. phases of the moon and stuff |
| 16:10.25 | jelly | SparFux: cp -a of /etc after a fresh install might introduce bugs. |
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| 16:10.59 | SparFux | jelly: which kinds of bugs? |
| 16:11.13 | justin | Speereet: you should transfer over the debconf database instead |
| 16:11.33 | justin | then as long as you didn't hand modify much in /etc/ all the settings should be the same |
| 16:11.33 | jelly | SparFux: newer versions of software with old config |
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| 16:12.05 | SparFux | jelly: ok, I keep the system up to date before doing this. But what would you suggest to move over the old config to the freshly installed system? |
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| 16:13.12 | Speereet | justin: if any software but each point's WiFi drivers take a role in association to an SSID. You see, I have setup an AP and configured it thus: iwconfig wlan0 mode Master essid ABC enc on key restricted 1234-5678-90. Then I tried to associate with it through iwconfig eth1 essid ABC enc on key 1234567890. There was no association, and I think it's the AP's driver fault. |
| 16:13.29 | SparFux | jellly: do everything by hand? |
| 16:14.01 | justin | Speereet: try making it simpler, dont use a key |
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| 16:14.13 | scott_w | abrotman: but now i'm back at the problem of not being able to "share the sound" so to speak |
| 16:14.37 | Speereet | justin: Already did. Same issue. |
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| 16:14.53 | amphi | scott_w: IUYC, you can use alsa's dmix plugin |
| 16:14.57 | justin | Speereet: does your ap show up in iwlist? |
| 16:15.01 | jelly | SparFux: well, if the package versions are the same, it might work. How do you transfer the installed package set? |
| 16:15.25 | Speereet | justin: but the reason why I'm asking is that I'd like to debug it. So, I want to know which parts of the OS take role in SSID association. |
| 16:15.36 | Speereet | justin: Yes, of course it's listed. |
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| 16:16.10 | SparFux | jelly: I use dpkg --get-selections and the dpkg --set-selections. But I have to move over config from /etc AFTER I have upgraded everything, because otherwise for example listbugs will not be installed and thus I get an error due to missing listbug which is used in my config. |
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| 16:18.40 | jelly | SparFux: I don't see where you do that step, but if you do it before copying /etc, you'll possibly have mismatched uids/gids of package-specific system groups/users |
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| 16:19.48 | felix-da-catz | What is the package that installs killall? |
| 16:19.50 | jelly | SparFux: in other words, copy at least /etc/{passwd,group,shadow,gshadow} _before_ cloning the package setup |
| 16:20.07 | jelly | !tell felix-da-catz -about search |
| 16:20.15 | jelly | !find bin/killall$ etch |
| 16:20.48 | felix-da-catz | Thanks jelly |
| 16:21.06 | SparFux | jelly: omg, you are righit! |
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| 16:21.19 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/killall' (3): (/usr/bin/killall) in admin/psmisc ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/ia64/standard/initrd_template/usr/bin/killall) in admin/systemimager-boot-ia64-standard ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/i386/standard/initrd_template/usr/bin/killall) in admin/systemimager-boot-i386-standard. |
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| 16:22.04 | jelly | felix-da-catz: so... psmisc. There's also pkill, which does pretty much the same thing |
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| 16:23.32 | SparFux | jelly: Ok, I can copy all /etc to new system, then before installation I erase the listbugs config file, then after updating package installation to the odl systems one I install listbugs and it will include a new listbugs config file. |
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| 16:24.43 | jelly | SparFux: for my own desktop, I just copy over the whole lot. :-) Used to just fdisk, dd the partitions, resize, update grub/fstab, but doing a file-based copy instead of dd makes it basically a defrag step |
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| 16:25.31 | SparFux | jelly: how do you resize to the actualy partition size? Doesn't fs depend on the partition size? |
| 16:26.13 | SparFux | jelly: plus, I would have to do it with the system down and original disk partition mounted read only. |
| 16:26.16 | jelly | SparFux: there are tools to do it for ext2/ext3/ntfs/xfs, maybe others. Conveniently packaged as gparted livecd |
| 16:26.33 | SparFux | Ah, I see. |
| 16:26.42 | jelly | also known as "totally not a partition magic clone" |
| 16:27.49 | SparFux | What's the ext3 resizing tool? |
| 16:27.55 | L84supper | I know that Google is my friend, but does anyone have resources for getting Debian to boot as fast a possible? <10 sec |
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| 16:28.14 | jelly | SparFux: oh, you might want to copy over the debconf database with the old values before installing, too; and then pushing the debconf/priority up to critical, so it doesn't ask you any questions |
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| 16:28.17 | SparFux | L84supper: www.coreboot.org |
| 16:28.24 | ezguy | hi, i got /boot hda1, swap (hda2) and root / (hda3), how can go above update grub2 mbr to recongize these setup? |
| 16:28.29 | L84supper | yeah already run coreboot |
| 16:28.43 | jelly | SparFux: resize2fs is part of e2fsprogs |
| 16:29.00 | SparFux | jelly: ah! |
| 16:29.02 | L84supper | it's the two seconds after coreboot loads until Debin login I'm looking for |
| 16:29.13 | SparFux | jelly: how do I copy over debconf database? |
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| 16:30.31 | koolini | I've already asked today, but since I got no useful answer, I hope it's ok that I ask again before moving to Vista (just kidding) : I'm trying to update Lenny using KPackage. The packages were downloaded, but while KPackage was installing them , it printed "Processing triggers for menu ..." and then nothing happened. What should I do now? |
| 16:30.38 | jelly | SparFux: hm, either using debconf-{get,set}-selections, or just copy the contents of /var/cache/debconf :-) |
| 16:30.52 | SparFux | jellY: I am not sure with the debconf database. I had filesystem problems with debian stuff in /var/lib/dpkg and so on. Like status files were borken and the like. |
| 16:31.12 | L84supper | SparFux: coreboot is 2 sec from power-on to Debian, trying to get Debian login in another ~10 sec |
| 16:31.18 | SparFux | jellY : ok, there were no probs in /var/cache/debconf, as far as I remember. |
| 16:31.43 | SparFux | L84supper: which mainboard do yo use? |
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| 16:31.51 | jelly | SparFux: yup. well, debian installer itself has an option to preseed it with answers to debconf questions |
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| 16:32.23 | L84supper | SparFux: we use several, working on a generic Debian version |
| 16:32.28 | jelly | SparFux: I guess installing debconf, restoring its db, and then doing the package cloning would be rather similar |
| 16:32.29 | SparFux | jelly: if there are the old /etc config file in place, won't debconf just use these things in there as defaults? |
| 16:33.17 | jelly | SparFux: not many packages do that; off the top of my head, I can only think of clamav |
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| 16:33.48 | unfo | Hi all. iPhone OS 2.1[1] is a 253MB file which contains several .dmg files (some 183MB, some 25MB). How do I extract the .dmg files? |
| 16:33.51 | unfo | ^ [1]. http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPhone/061-5198.20080909.K3294/iPhone1,2_2.1_5F136_Restore.ipsw |
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| 16:34.12 | unfo | btw the .ipsw file is actually just a zip file. |
| 16:34.44 | unfo | mount -o loop -t hfs doesn't do anything. |
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| 16:34.55 | unfo | [10192.672737] hfs: can't find a HFS filesystem on dev loop0. |
| 16:35.07 | jelly | SparFux: frankly I think you might uncover some bugs even with having old passwd/group present at the time of package instalation |
| 16:35.40 | SparFux | jelly: well, it should be safe to copy over whole /etc to new system, then do apt-get dselect-upgrade with setting old get-selections and if there would be incompatibilities it would be the same as if I had uninstalled and reinstalled a packge, I guess. |
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| 16:35.54 | SparFux | jelly: Oh! |
| 16:36.20 | jelly | SparFux: it theoretically should not pose a problem :-) |
| 16:36.21 | SparFux | jellY: so, then reinstallation is really much work! |
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| 16:36.29 | jelly | SparFux: right :-) |
| 16:37.00 | SparFux | jelly: that's crap, I think. Because I had filesystem problems and I would definitely want to reinstall everything. |
| 16:37.11 | jelly | SparFux: oh, I don't know if you've seen it, /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 16:37.54 | SparFux | jelly: looks interesting. |
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| 16:39.12 | SparFux | jelly: ok, this seems to clone the package installation, but what about the configs... |
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| 16:40.07 | SparFux | But using aptitude for this is interesting. |
| 16:40.08 | doublehp | what are etchnhalf.1 kernel ? |
| 16:40.18 | jelly | SparFux: if you have the same (or very similar) versions of packages, eg. if reinstalling stable, I think copying the whole /etc shouldn't be a problem |
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| 16:40.39 | SparFux | jelly: despite of uid and gid stuff! |
| 16:41.05 | unfo | doublehp: yes |
| 16:41.11 | jelly | SparFux: well, insert copying passwd etc. and debconf before doing dselect-upgrade |
| 16:41.18 | doublehp | unfo: ? |
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| 16:41.40 | unfo | doublehp: you asked a gramatically invalid question, so i gave you a syntactically wrong answer :) |
| 16:41.55 | abrotman | !tell doublehp about etchnhalf |
| 16:41.58 | unfo | doublehp: try asking the channel this: "Did anyone understand the question?" :) |
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| 16:42.06 | L84supper | SaprFux: besides starting up services in parallel, has anyone seen boot time improvements with pre-loading parts of the filesystems in the initrd? |
| 16:42.43 | SparFux | jelly: I wonder wether it could happen there are different uid and gid in a base system set up wiith debbootstrap! |
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| 16:43.27 | jelly | SparFux: I _think_ not, base system has all uid/gid preallocated |
| 16:43.36 | justin | SparFux: like I said before.. use the debconf database |
| 16:43.55 | doublehp | abrotman: should they be stable ? because, just after loading the kernel file, and extrating it, tge boot loader encontours a fatal error: "Memory at 0- ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff (chuck 1) is buzy" ... thus, i wonder if the kernel has really been designed for my arch |
| 16:44.14 | abrotman | doublehp: could be a kernel bug |
| 16:44.25 | jelly | SparFux: also, more user data hides in: /var/mail, /var/spool/cron/{crontabs,atjobs}/ in addition to /home |
| 16:44.29 | justin | SparFux: debconf-{get,set}-selections |
| 16:44.31 | doublehp | abrotman: i thought they could be testing kernels ... but, dpkg say it should be stable :'( |
| 16:44.32 | SparFux | justin: cp -a /var/cache/debconf /mnt/new/var/cache |
| 16:44.46 | doublehp | unfo: abrotma obviously did |
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| 16:44.57 | unfo | doublehp: still, i have been having trouble understanding some of your english. Maybe you would be find it easier in #debian-fr? |
| 16:45.02 | Glanzmann | Hello everyone; |
| 16:45.03 | unfo | No offense meant of course. |
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| 16:45.11 | hejux | fuck |
| 16:45.13 | unfo | Glanzmann: please do not press Enter in mid-thought :) |
| 16:45.13 | justin | SparFux: if you import the debconf questions and answers then when the packages are installed on the new system they should already have the same settings |
| 16:45.17 | Glanzmann | I need to reinstall grub into the mbr. What rescue system can I use? |
| 16:45.21 | hejux | shut the fuck up |
| 16:45.29 | unfo | hejux: me? |
| 16:45.35 | SparFux | justin: but lacking my manual configs. |
| 16:45.41 | hejux | don't fucking looking at my face .. |
| 16:45.41 | justin | Glanzmann: pretty much any rescue system should do |
| 16:45.45 | jelly | SparFux: and misc. apps might use their own dirs in /var to store even more user data. /var/lib/mysql, /var/lib/squirrelmail, /var/games/ (highscores :-) |
| 16:45.50 | scott_w | wtf? |
| 16:45.58 | unfo | Glanzmann: i use ubuntu as my rescue system. It is slow to boot but works well |
| 16:46.00 | Glanzmann | justin: Does the debian netinstall come with a rescue system? If that is the case, how do I boot it? |
| 16:46.06 | unfo | Glanzmann: or try Super Grub Disk (a downloadable ISO) |
| 16:46.16 | unfo | it can install Grub directly |
| 16:46.32 | justin | Glanzmann: the debian netinstall can be used to start a shell from which you can fix grub |
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| 16:46.45 | L84supper | Machboot Debian boots in 5.68 sec from loader http://bootchart.machboot.com:8000/result/2473240d85efa2e7e10229655f8329b1.png |
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| 16:47.04 | Glanzmann | justin: Perfect. |
| 16:47.22 | Glanzmann | L84supper: I don't have 5.68 sconds. |
| 16:47.23 | justin | L84supper: neat |
| 16:47.45 | unfo | helix: who are you talking to? |
| 16:47.48 | unfo | oops |
| 16:47.53 | unfo | hejux: who are you talking to? |
| 16:47.53 | L84supper | we'll work on trimming it down Glanzmann :) |
| 16:47.55 | jelly | unfo: hejux's gone |
| 16:47.56 | SparFux | jelly: have you ever moved a crypted root to another partition and resized the filesystem? |
| 16:47.57 | PeterFA | So this guy used Synaptic, and now his depedencies and packages are all screwed up. How does one recover? |
| 16:48.01 | unfo | jelly: ah. |
| 16:48.05 | unfo | PeterFA: you used synaptic? |
| 16:48.11 | PeterFA | unfo, no. |
| 16:48.15 | unfo | who did? |
| 16:48.19 | Glanzmann | L84supper: I think your statics make it that slow. |
| 16:48.24 | abrotman | PeterFA: how is it screwed up? |
| 16:48.26 | PeterFA | unfo, this guy in a mailing list for a LUG. |
| 16:48.31 | Glanzmann | Have you tried to just ,,boot'' it? |
| 16:48.32 | unfo | PeterFA: tell them to come on IRC. |
| 16:48.42 | unfo | PeterFA: or point us a link |
| 16:48.47 | jelly | SparFux: no experience with crypted partitions, sorry |
| 16:49.02 | doublehp | unfo: english people better understand me than french |
| 16:49.02 | unfo | PeterFA: preferably a gmane.org or nabble.com link so that we can reply by email |
| 16:49.06 | unfo | doublehp: that is fair. |
| 16:49.09 | PeterFA | abrotman, FF won't run, it's a server and things cannot connect to it... |
| 16:49.19 | abrotman | server .. running FF ... |
| 16:49.27 | PeterFA | abrotman, this is Ubuntu. |
| 16:49.33 | PeterFA | dang it. |
| 16:49.34 | abrotman | go to #ubuntu |
| 16:49.42 | jelly | it might be a RHEL, too! |
| 16:49.53 | doublehp | unfo: because french is too poor langage to let me express things as they are. |
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| 16:50.49 | unfo | PeterFA: go to #ubuntu-server |
| 16:50.51 | jelly | doublehp: you have an english mind, le traitor |
| 16:50.56 | unfo | lol |
| 16:51.00 | L84supper | Glanzmann: any ideas on booting it faster? |
| 16:51.25 | doublehp | or english it just a better langage to describe the real world |
| 16:51.58 | Glanzmann | L84supper: don't probe for nonexisting ide controllers; remove the modules from the kernel; don't do so much during the init phase. |
| 16:52.07 | PeterFA | English is a very encompassing languge. |
| 16:52.11 | PeterFA | language too. |
| 16:52.28 | Glanzmann | But I think 5.68 seconds is pretty nice. |
| 16:52.29 | PeterFA | It absorbs words from all languages :) |
| 16:52.43 | unfo | what was wrong with my question before? The question was: iPhone OS 2.1[1] is a 253MB file which contains several .dmg files (some 183MB, some 25MB). How do I extract the .dmg files? |
| 16:52.49 | Glanzmann | PeterFA: First price for stating the obvious. |
| 16:52.56 | unfo | ^ [1]. http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPhone/061-5198.20080909.K3294/iPhone1,2_2.1_5F136_Restore.ipsw |
| 16:52.59 | unfo | btw the .ipsw file is actually just a zip file. |
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| 16:53.20 | unfo | is the problem that nobody in this IRC channel wants to download 253MB? |
| 16:53.26 | PeterFA | Yay! |
| 16:53.30 | jelly | unfo: so, unzip it? |
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| 16:53.40 | unfo | jelly: i unzipped it. |
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| 16:53.44 | jelly | unfo: and? |
| 16:53.46 | SparFux | I don't have the program debconf-get-selections installed. |
| 16:53.53 | unfo | jelly: Now I can't see inside the .dmg files |
| 16:54.01 | unfo | that unzip(1) extracted. |
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| 16:54.20 | jelly | unfo: you just said you couldn't extract the .dmg files |
| 16:54.28 | unfo | i can't. |
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| 16:54.39 | unfo | i want to see what's inside the .dmg files that unzip(1) gave me |
| 16:54.47 | jelly | unfo: oh! |
| 16:55.25 | jelly | unfo: what does file(1) say they are? |
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| 16:56.39 | unfo | jelly: 018-3940-43.dmg: data. 018-4118-1.dmg: data. 018-4122-1.dmg: data. I am using libmagic1 4.25-1, which is the latest libmagic1 in lenny. |
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| 16:57.13 | amphi | 'data', eh? ;) |
| 16:57.20 | jelly | unfo: does the second link in http://www.google.com/search?q=dmg+extract+linux help? |
| 16:57.20 | justin | unfo: uh.. use OS X? |
| 16:57.40 | unfo | justin: i don't have OS X |
| 16:57.48 | abrotman | use windows? |
| 16:58.11 | unfo | abrotman: i have wine but I prefer not to use closed-source freeware for this job. |
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| 16:58.18 | abrotman | you're using a closed source phone |
| 16:58.26 | Glanzmann | thanks a lot |
| 16:58.27 | unfo | abrotman: true |
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| 16:59.12 | keith4 | unfo: how big are the DMGs? |
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| 16:59.59 | unfo | keith4: 183MB, 25MB, and 25MB |
| 17:01.16 | keith4 | yah, that thread that jelly referred to is the general idea. but a DMG could be several different filesystems. you should try HFS, probably, but it's not guaranteed to be the correct choice |
| 17:01.58 | unfo | abrotman: could you suggest a good open source phone for me to use? |
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| 17:02.17 | unfo | last I heard OpenEZX doesn't really support power management. |
| 17:03.08 | keith4 | unfo: if you have somewhere I can upload these files, I can extract the DMGs for you |
| 17:03.44 | unfo | keith4: i might want to later post instructions online on how any Linux user can extract the DMGs. |
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| 17:03.58 | keith4 | unfo: i think you're SOL anyway, though |
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| 17:04.17 | keith4 | the large on is encrypted, and the smaller two won't mount (in OS X 10.5) |
| 17:04.34 | unfo | keith4: oh. :( thank you very much for checking them |
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| 17:04.39 | amphi | good ol' apple |
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| 17:04.40 | ph8 | hi guys - is etch the testing release? (unstable being the most cutting edge?) |
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| 17:04.53 | keith4 | unfo: unless you have a suggestion for a password to use...? |
| 17:04.55 | unfo | ph8: http://debian.org/releases |
| 17:04.58 | ph8 | thx |
| 17:05.11 | unfo | keith4: i wonder how hard it would be to crack it? |
| 17:06.05 | unfo | keith4: one sec, let me ask in #iphone how to get the password |
| 17:06.30 | keith4 | unfo: what makes you think that you need to get at the contents of these disk images? |
| 17:06.40 | SparFux | I can't unmount /mnt/newsystem/proc ! it says it is busy. What can I do? There is nothing running on it as far as I can see and remember! |
| 17:06.49 | keith4 | SparFux: try lsof |
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| 17:07.21 | unfo | keith4: I don't have an iphone but I want to do iphone development. I suspect, but am not sure, that those .dmg files contain header files I need |
| 17:07.29 | SparFux | keith: ah, alot of files open :-) |
| 17:07.39 | keith4 | SparFux: lsof | grep proc ? |
| 17:07.58 | unfo | SparFux: lsof /mnt/newsystem/proc maybe? |
| 17:08.11 | keith4 | that, too |
| 17:08.24 | justin | SparFux: you probably managed to start something under the chroot |
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| 17:09.06 | SparFux | justin: my firefox seems to have grabbed the new proc filesystem! |
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| 17:09.42 | SparFux | omg, lsof shows somehow all the programs have grabbed the new proc instead of /proc! |
| 17:09.51 | justin | SparFux: no. |
| 17:10.03 | SparFux | justin: even pidin doing this chat here. |
| 17:10.07 | justin | SparFux: no |
| 17:10.15 | SparFux | But lsof says so! |
| 17:10.23 | justin | you are using lsof wrong |
| 17:10.38 | justin | try lsof +D /mnt/newsystem |
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| 17:11.54 | rush1 | What's the easiest way to install nvidia drivers in lenny? |
| 17:12.45 | jelly | SparFux: or, lsof -n |grep /mnt/newsystem |
| 17:12.45 | rush1 | What version of drivers can be installed directly running nvidia-installer? I have error with 100.14.23 |
| 17:13.12 | SparFux | hm... |
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| 17:13.59 | SparFux | jelly: this still gives me a whole bunch of open files like almost every program on my system. |
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| 17:14.30 | jelly | SparFux: are you running lsof inside the chroot? |
| 17:14.39 | SparFux | jelly: no. |
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| 17:15.05 | SparFux | jelly: I erased the chroot and I cannot umount proc now. :-) |
| 17:15.07 | SparFux | OMG! |
| 17:15.12 | jelly | SparFux: dunno, I haven't seen that. |
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| 17:15.26 | SparFux | And I cannot debootstrap because it tried to mount proc which gives an error :-\ |
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| 17:16.15 | jpinx | I have a pcmcia wireless card that I'm trying to get working. It seems to be recognised at boot time, but doesn't connect to the wireless router. What am I doing wrong? |
| 17:16.39 | jpinx | it's a TP-LINK TL-WN510G |
| 17:16.47 | justin | jpinx: what does iwconfig say |
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| 17:17.56 | jpinx | justin: I'll need to disconnect to find out. I am using a wired pcmcia card to connect at the moment |
| 17:18.03 | unfo | funny. I've never heard of TP-LINK |
| 17:18.32 | jpinx | it's listed in hardware4linux http://hardware4linux.info/component/7967/ |
| 17:18.35 | jpinx | brb |
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| 17:19.10 | SparFux | Ok, I think I have to reboot to get rid of my whatever proc! |
| 17:19.27 | unfo | SparFux: so reboot :) |
| 17:19.54 | SamuraiDio | some prevision to lenny release? |
| 17:19.54 | SparFux | unfo: :-D |
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| 17:20.16 | SparFux | messed up the whole computer thingy irrevokably! :-) |
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| 17:22.09 | SamuraiDio | !lenny |
| 17:22.10 | dpkg | i heard lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>. |
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| 17:22.32 | SamuraiDio | !wwlr |
| 17:22.32 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 17:22.38 | unfo | SamuraiDio: please /msg the bot |
| 17:22.44 | SamuraiDio | ok |
| 17:22.56 | unfo | SamuraiDio: do you prefer a different language other than English? |
| 17:23.05 | SamuraiDio | ?? |
| 17:23.11 | SamuraiDio | unfo, huh!? |
| 17:23.14 | jpinx | justin: http://rafb.net/p/cMzplc54.html |
| 17:23.33 | unfo | SamuraiDio: what is your first language? |
| 17:23.40 | embkas | what do you folks do to connect to a wireless automatically? I have to manually start, wlassistant or knetworkmanager, choose accesspoint...... |
| 17:24.03 | unfo | SamuraiDio: there are debian channels in every language. for example try /msg dpkg it |
| 17:24.04 | jelly | SparFux: umount -l /what/ever? |
| 17:24.06 | jpinx | justin: this is the first time I have ever tried a wireless connection |
| 17:24.25 | maligor | embkas, I use nm-applet from gnome |
| 17:24.34 | SparFux | jelly: WOW! That works! |
| 17:24.42 | SamuraiDio | unfo, english is ok for me |
| 17:24.51 | themill | embkas: knetworkmanager normally automatically connects to my home wireless for me |
| 17:24.59 | unfo | SamuraiDio: ok. just note that there is no such word as "prevision" :) |
| 17:25.19 | maligor | network manager is quite handy for laptop setups |
| 17:25.20 | jelly | unfo: ffs, this is not #english or #speling |
| 17:25.24 | unfo | also maybe you meant "release" not "released" |
| 17:25.31 | unfo | jelly: i didn't understand SamuraiDio's question at all |
| 17:25.35 | unfo | did you? |
| 17:25.41 | themill | unfo: yes. |
| 17:25.49 | SamuraiDio | unfo, hehe, thanks ^^ |
| 17:25.51 | unfo | what did SamuraiDio mean? |
| 17:25.55 | unfo | SamuraiDio: :) |
| 17:26.18 | jelly | unfo: he wanted an estimate of lenny release date |
| 17:26.19 | themill | unfo: So perhaps you should work on your comprehension skills. And try to be more flexible. |
| 17:26.35 | jpinx | maligor: where is network manager? |
| 17:26.40 | jelly | !lenny pool 2 |
| 17:26.40 | embkas | themill: and you haven't done anything for it? what distribution? |
| 17:27.02 | jelly | !lenny pool 1 |
| 17:27.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lenny pool 1 is ! rektide=2008-08-21 themill=2008-12-01 dutchfish=2008-11-11 brylie=2008-07-15 <thedonvaughn>=2009-2-05 slxix=2008-10-31 <asg>=argh, not before I finish upgrading the sarge boxes. avu=2009-01-23 Guerin=20090313 chealer=2009-02-15 cydork=2008-12-31 gpm=2009-02-10 supaplex=my birthday jelly=2008-08-25. PerfDave=2009-01-14 witte=2009-03-01, abrotman=2009-04-08 streuner=2009-06-15 |
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| 17:27.18 | themill | jpinx: network manager is in the network-manager package. You'll need the -gnome or -kde front end as well |
| 17:27.19 | jelly | hides from all the highlighted people |
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| 17:27.34 | unfo | themill: jelly: ah. I stand corrected |
| 17:27.39 | unfo | SamuraiDio: i apologize. |
| 17:27.52 | jpinx | themill: I have "network" in gnome |
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| 17:28.15 | SparFux | jelly: I hope the lazy stuff doesn't make my whole debootstrap crash :-) |
| 17:28.23 | jpinx | themill: it has eth0 as not configured, but I'm talking to you ;) |
| 17:28.31 | embkas | jpinx: knetworkmanager or wlasistant (apt-get install knetworkmanager or apt-get install wlassistant |
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| 17:29.19 | jelly | SparFux: it just hides the mountpoint from the current filesystem namespace; the kernel is still holding stuff open but your new processes won't see it |
| 17:29.30 | jpinx | embkas: thanks - I'll look at that |
| 17:29.41 | unfo | votes that SparFux should reboot :) |
| 17:29.47 | jelly | SparFux: since it's just /proc, it shouldn't matter; however, only a reboot will really clean it up |
| 17:29.47 | themill | !reboot |
| 17:29.48 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 17:29.48 | SparFux | unfo! |
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| 17:29.54 | unfo | SparFux: what? |
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| 17:30.04 | jelly | themill: why? it's legitimate in this case |
| 17:30.22 | SparFux | unfo: I am already reinstalling with debootstrap! :-) no reboot so far. |
| 17:30.34 | unfo | i'm not a debian expert, that's just my vote. I believe in IRC democracy :) |
| 17:30.43 | unfo | i don't know if you actually have to reboot or not |
| 17:30.44 | jelly | unumountable filesystems are a good reason to reboot, if the machine isn't in production |
| 17:31.13 | jelly | (except for those crazy people actually trying to debug the issue) |
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| 17:32.02 | jelly | SparFux: think of umount -l as hiding the junk underneath the carpet |
| 17:32.33 | Lectus | is the date Debian 5.0 will be released already defined? |
| 17:32.39 | jelly | Lectus: no. |
| 17:33.12 | fignew | Lectus: it's going to be released in XXXXXX |
| 17:33.29 | fignew | whoops, forgot about the filters :-O |
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| 17:34.54 | jelly | that machboot site seems to be slashdotted :-| |
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| 17:35.59 | jetscreamer | weehaa... here i am from ike and no electricity |
| 17:36.07 | jetscreamer | still |
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| 17:37.15 | jpinx | welcome back - ike survivor :) |
| 17:37.21 | jetscreamer | at&t guy just put my phone line back up... trees fell over on all the lines |
| 17:37.44 | jetscreamer | i get power from my car :) |
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| 17:38.21 | torr | how do I make the clock time sync? |
| 17:38.32 | jelly | !ntp |
| 17:38.32 | dpkg | ntp is probably the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig or 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata', first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 17:38.36 | jetscreamer | man ntp? |
| 17:38.37 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 17:39.08 | themill | jetscreamer: your priorities are, um, interesting. But welcome back. |
| 17:39.20 | embkas | is there a directory to place shortcut to applications I want to start on login? |
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| 17:39.41 | themill | embkas: ~/.kde/Autostart/ |
| 17:39.52 | embkas | themill: of course :-) |
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| 17:40.11 | torr | what is the apt command to check if I already have a package installed? |
| 17:40.25 | abrotman | torr: dpkg -l <pkgname> |
| 17:40.26 | jetscreamer | themill: first things first eh.. :) (it's all i can do first though, cept clean the yard0 |
| 17:40.41 | jetscreamer | still a lot of ppl no power |
| 17:41.07 | abrotman | torr: apt-cache policy <pkgname> |
| 17:41.47 | jelly | themill: I still think the guy from Lebanon commenting about artillery noise was better |
| 17:41.54 | themill | heh |
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| 17:42.24 | torr | ok |
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| 17:42.45 | torr | I have ntp but my clock is 30 mins ahead |
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| 17:43.19 | jelly | torr: /etc/init.d/ntp stop; ntpdate-debian; /etc/init.d/ntp start |
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| 17:44.04 | torr | date |
| 17:44.07 | torr | Mon Sep 15 21:14:36 IDT 2008 |
| 17:44.17 | mark_ | hello, is there a location where i can see what debian version i am running? |
| 17:44.22 | torr | is it :14 now? |
| 17:44.31 | jelly | has no idea where IDT is or whether that's correct |
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| 17:44.56 | jelly | it's 17:44 in UTC\ |
| 17:44.56 | torr | jelly, what is the minutes now on your clock? |
| 17:45.00 | torr | ah |
| 17:45.10 | jelly | sorry, 17:45 :-) |
| 17:45.16 | jetscreamer | well time to drive off, so no more modem :) |
| 17:45.19 | jetscreamer | ciao |
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| 17:45.23 | torr | so I am 30 min ahead |
| 17:45.29 | jelly | jetscreamer: kisses! |
| 17:45.34 | torr | I did restart on nt |
| 17:45.38 | torr | ntp |
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| 17:45.50 | jelly | torr: did the line above say anything? |
| 17:46.23 | torr | the restart on the daemon? no it restarted with out comments |
| 17:46.41 | jelly | torr: did you run "/etc/init.d/ntp stop; ntpdate-debian; /etc/init.d/ntp start" or something else? |
| 17:46.44 | GC_UKS | anyone done anything with Xen and DRBD? looking for some good/bad tales |
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| 17:47.15 | torr | else |
| 17:47.22 | torr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.44 | jelly | torr: if you don't following the instructions, I can't help you, sorry |
| 17:47.49 | torr | ntpdate-debian command not found |
| 17:48.00 | jelly | torr: install ntpdate |
| 17:48.17 | GC_UKS | if you're looking at NTP try using openntpd (aptitude install openntpd, /etc/init.d/openntpd restart should sort you out) |
| 17:48.23 | torr | ok |
| 17:48.34 | jelly | torr: then run ntpdate-debian while ntp service is stopper |
| 17:48.44 | jelly | (typos notwithstanding) |
| 17:49.00 | pickcoder | torr: fix the date/time in your BIOS and ntpd should work fine |
| 17:49.02 | torr | sorry jelly I skiped the line of ntpdate unintentionally |
| 17:49.10 | jelly | GC_UKS: ntp! openntpd! chrony! |
| 17:49.20 | jelly | GC_UKS: who cares, as long as they do the job |
| 17:49.30 | GC_UKS | jelly - chrony is a new one on me.. ntp I never got on with |
| 17:49.35 | pickcoder | ntpd is the source from isc and you shouldn't need any other ntp service |
| 17:49.49 | jelly | pickcoder: isc code ~ /bloat/ :-P |
| 17:49.59 | jelly | djb says so! |
| 17:50.10 | pickcoder | jelly: I suppose if w3c made a browser you'd say bloat too |
| 17:50.28 | torr | funny thing... |
| 17:50.31 | jelly | pickcoder: I'd use Mosaic or Netscape. |
| 17:50.34 | justin | w3c did make a browser... |
| 17:50.37 | unfo | libwww comes with a text-based browser |
| 17:50.41 | unfo | it's pretty bad |
| 17:50.45 | unfo | yet it's not bloated :) |
| 17:50.47 | torr | after stopping ntp the time got OK |
| 17:50.51 | justin | http://www.w3.org/Amaya/ |
| 17:51.01 | torr | does gnome have a separate ntp daemon? |
| 17:51.04 | GC_UKS | torr - check your hardware clock (hwclock) to see what the offfset is |
| 17:51.11 | jelly | torr: no |
| 17:51.42 | jelly | torr: what does "TZ=UTC date" say? |
| 17:51.46 | torr | hwclock is ahead |
| 17:51.49 | dudeman | hello! |
| 17:51.54 | dudeman | whats going on in the world of #debian? |
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| 17:52.08 | GC_UKS | torr do a 'hwclock --systohc' |
| 17:53.05 | GC_UKS | so.. google chrome.. love it or hate it? |
| 17:53.08 | jelly | GC_UKS: would be nice to confirm the validity of current system time before doing that |
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| 17:53.18 | jelly | !offtopic |
| 17:53.18 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net |
| 17:53.29 | pickcoder | justin: oh well.. I guess that shoots holes in my defense |
| 17:53.33 | unfo | GC_UKS: come join me in #debian-offtopic |
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| 17:53.50 | torr | jelly it say 17:51:58 |
| 17:54.02 | jelly | torr: sounds fine |
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| 17:54.28 | dudeman | mmm lemonade |
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| 17:54.58 | jelly | torr: however, when asked for a command's output, it's better to copy/paste the exact and complete thing |
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| 17:55.43 | torr | jelly, I have a temporary problem with copy paste, that 's why it took me so long to respond |
| 17:56.04 | dudeman | where is the link that describes what is considered DFSG |
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| 17:56.20 | dudeman | I want to see if codeigniter php framework can be included in debian |
| 17:56.22 | jimpop | what is the proper method for filing a debian lenny bug? |
| 17:56.30 | dudeman | its opensource under i think mit or bsd license |
| 17:56.39 | dudeman | jimpop, aptitude install reportbug |
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| 17:56.45 | jelly | dudeman: ... /msg dpkg dfsg :-( |
| 17:56.51 | dudeman | jelly, oh ok |
| 17:56.52 | jimpop | dudeman: it's not that kind of bug |
| 17:57.03 | dudeman | you file all bugs that way |
| 17:57.08 | jimpop | hmmmm |
| 17:57.17 | dudeman | wishlist |
| 17:57.19 | dudeman | intent to package |
| 17:57.20 | embkas | my distrib is etch knetworkmanager doesn't connetc automatically - nor does it save password - does yours - and in that case why? |
| 17:57.20 | dudeman | bugs |
| 17:57.22 | dudeman | resoutions |
| 17:57.24 | dudeman | whatver you want |
| 17:57.27 | dudeman | doen through reportbug |
| 17:57.33 | jimpop | dudeman: k, thx |
| 17:57.56 | dudeman | embkas, you have kdewalletmanager open? |
| 17:58.01 | dudeman | thats what saves all the passwords |
| 17:58.10 | dudeman | embkas, also try #kde and #debian-kde |
| 17:58.21 | dudeman | embkas, I use kde but not knetwork manager |
| 17:58.21 | MrNaz | in order to do svn checkouts, whats the debian package that i need to get? libsvn1 ? |
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| 17:58.28 | dudeman | MrNaz, subversion |
| 17:58.29 | embkas | Sorry if I have asked this before, but I suddenly lost connection and don't know if the question reached you so: my distrib is etch knetworkmanager doesn't connetc automatically - nor does it save password - does yours - and in that case why? |
| 17:58.32 | dudeman | MrNaz, I tnik |
| 17:58.43 | dudeman | MrNaz, and then svcn co blah.url |
| 17:58.50 | dudeman | -c |
| 17:59.13 | embkas | dudeman: what do you use to connect to wireless? |
| 17:59.16 | dudeman | unless you want to write your own svn wrapper around libsvn1 |
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| 17:59.28 | dudeman | embkas, I use wifi only for hacking |
| 17:59.29 | dudeman | :) |
| 17:59.34 | dudeman | but yes I use cli |
| 17:59.46 | finrod | Ahoy. I am trying to configure my new wireless stuff the debian way, using /etc/network/interfaces, but I can't seem to connect to my wpa2-encrypted network. Everything works fine if I fire up wpa_supplicant manually and then use dhclient, but if I put wpa-ssid and wpa-psk into /etc/network/interfaces, it fails to authenticate. According to the wpa_supplicant logs it skips the network because it "can't find IE WPA". What's up? |
| 17:59.52 | dudeman | I have a 2.6.18 with bcm4306 patched injection |
| 17:59.55 | dudeman | its nice |
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| 18:02.01 | F6F | http://j4p543.just4play.biz/_wiastaufhoen/img/forenthreadfun.jpg |
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| 18:03.35 | drizzd | I'm under the impression that debian bug reports just pile up indefinitely. Whenever I want to report a bug I have to go through pages of existing bug reports, and then I end up being ignored anyways. |
| 18:03.41 | abrotman | F6F: try #debian-offtopic |
| 18:03.51 | drizzd | Or is it just me? |
| 18:04.12 | F6F | no funn with #debian? |
| 18:04.45 | unfo | F6F: correct |
| 18:05.01 | F6F | << @ gentoo |
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| 18:05.24 | jelly | drizzd: yes, but it depends a lot on the particular maintainer |
| 18:05.51 | drizzd | no arguments there |
| 18:05.52 | stew | drizzd: if you see a package which has reports piling up that aren't getting fixed, maybe you should jump in and submit some patches! |
| 18:06.20 | drizzd | but I've had a problem with 'acpid', for example |
| 18:06.31 | drizzd | turns out the bug existed since may |
| 18:06.31 | drizzd | and has been reported by several users |
| 18:06.32 | jelly | stew: and have patches lying in the bts unused, or maybe the maintainer should move their buttocks |
| 18:06.33 | drizzd | and the maintainer didn't even comment on it |
| 18:07.17 | jelly | stew: IME, it's nicer if the package is declared orphaned, that if it just rots |
| 18:07.19 | drizzd | stew: that's my point, I was going to submit a patch |
| 18:07.31 | drizzd | but I realized that in the confusion it wouldn't even be noticed anyways |
| 18:08.21 | dudeman | hmm |
| 18:08.23 | stew | drizzd: is it something that could be patched upstream? |
| 18:08.25 | jelly | tytso is a wonderful maintainer, for example. Of course, he's also upstream. :-) |
| 18:08.38 | dudeman | can a debian package install stuff to ~/ ? |
| 18:08.41 | dudeman | or is that against policy? |
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| 18:08.50 | drizzd | stew: it was for nvidia-kernel-source |
| 18:08.53 | torr | jelly, add one more thank you to your belt :) |
| 18:09.01 | dondelelcaro | drizzd: if you submit a patch, and tag the report patch, people will notice it |
| 18:09.15 | drizzd | stew: but if you look at the list of bugs for that package, where to begin? |
| 18:09.22 | jelly | torr: cheers! |
| 18:09.25 | dondelelcaro | drizzd: not all maintainers are active, and bug reports with patches which haven't been responded to is one of the things which people look at |
| 18:09.27 | torr | :) |
| 18:09.34 | dondelelcaro | drizzd: start anywhere; doesn't really make a difference |
| 18:09.50 | dudeman | hey |
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| 18:10.06 | luke-jr | where is the zThreads pkg? |
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| 18:10.57 | stew | luke-jr: i don't think there is one in debian yet |
| 18:11.24 | drizzd | dondelelcaro: I don't mind helping fix a few bugs. I try to whenever I have an issue. But lately the quality of debian packages seems to degrade. That's just my personal impression. |
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| 18:12.12 | dondelelcaro | drizzd: I actually find the opposite, though there are some packages which are in bad shape. |
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| 18:12.21 | dudeman | whats the best way to package a php framework. Can I have it install to /usr/share/codeigniter, but then it needs a bootstrap file in DocumentRoot called index.php that tells it where all the other dirs are. Then perhaps I can include in the package docs to tell the user to copy the application directory to his ~/ and modify the configuration.? or is there any better way to package a framework of php? |
| 18:12.35 | dondelelcaro | drizzd: regardless, the fact that you've noticed a problem with a package means that you're automatically in the best position to start doing something about it |
| 18:12.37 | drizzd | I would udnerstand, if it was some rare package, but acpid? Everyone uses that. |
| 18:12.55 | dondelelcaro | um... I don't |
| 18:13.21 | dondelelcaro | I've got it installed, but I've never touched it or looked at it |
| 18:13.28 | dudeman | any advice? |
| 18:13.47 | drizzd | dondelelcaro: pgrep acpid |
| 18:13.55 | dondelelcaro | drizzd: and actually, acpid doesn't look all that bad; it's got all of 15 bugs |
| 18:13.57 | drizzd | it handles your acpi events |
| 18:14.03 | drizzd | if it doesn't work, acpi doesn't work |
| 18:14.45 | drizzd | My complaint about acpid was that the specific bug I had is from may, and it was not fixed |
| 18:14.56 | dondelelcaro | drizzd: so fix it? |
| 18:14.57 | drizzd | in fact, the maintainer did not even bother to comment on it |
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| 18:15.15 | dudeman | thats the beauty of a public project |
| 18:15.20 | dudeman | YOU can fix it. |
| 18:15.31 | drizzd | dondelelcaro: apparently the problem lies with the debian upgrading system |
| 18:15.33 | jelly | dudeman: check the other similar packages? But don't copy over their solutions blindly, they might be suboptimal |
| 18:15.39 | dondelelcaro | drizzd: which bug is this? |
| 18:15.43 | drizzd | some obsolete file was a marked as a configuration file |
| 18:15.46 | dudeman | jelly, I found cakephp so far packages in lenny |
| 18:15.55 | dudeman | jelly, like 2 seconds before you said it :) |
| 18:15.57 | drizzd | so it was not removed at package upgrades |
| 18:16.07 | drizzd | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=487815 |
| 18:16.09 | luke-jr | stew: why not? :/ |
| 18:16.13 | drizzd | acpid: dies on any given Sunday |
| 18:16.18 | drizzd | funny bug actually |
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| 18:16.52 | dudeman | !+info libzend-framework-php |
| 18:16.53 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 18:17.09 | dudeman | why does it show up on my 1 lenny box not on 2 lenny box |
| 18:17.10 | dudeman | wtf |
| 18:17.16 | drizzd | So my understanding is that it's not easily possible to fix the bug. At least that's just what the other users seem to suggest. |
| 18:17.17 | dpkg | Package 'libzend-framework-php' does not exist. |
| 18:17.23 | dudeman | Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com> |
| 18:17.27 | dudeman | doh |
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| 18:17.39 | dudeman | they gave me a ubuntu pacakge? |
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| 18:18.04 | SamuraiDio | i have a problem with usb storage devices on a debian installation. i have udev, gnome-volume-manager, pmoun, thunar-volman, kde-kio-plugins all installed, and i see that udev works fine (it does create the /dev/sda when the usb device is plugged), but no icon appears on my "computer" folder on nautilus, neither on my kde desktop... what could i be missing? (NOTE: on my laptop everything works fine. Both ae Debian testing/unstable recently upgraded). |
| 18:18.19 | SamuraiDio | may it be a dbus dependency missed? |
| 18:18.20 | dudeman | hmm I wonder if there is an ITP for zf |
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| 18:18.39 | dudeman | I like code igniter and zf, I think I'll package these two |
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| 18:18.54 | dondelelcaro | drizzd: well, the other users are wrong, actually; see http://www.dpkg.org/dpkg/ConffileHandling |
| 18:19.08 | SamuraiDio | what means an 'A' on left of aptitude search results? |
| 18:19.17 | dondelelcaro | SamuraiDio: automatically installed |
| 18:19.19 | dudeman | and zf is really easy to package it just resides in your /usr/share and you include it in your bootstrap file |
| 18:19.31 | dondelelcaro | drizzd: you can easily make a patch which uses that snippet to remove the file as appropriate |
| 18:19.33 | dudeman | no compilation of any kind requried... I wonder why nobody in even sid has it |
| 18:19.47 | dudeman | hey guys, how again do I check for ITP list? |
| 18:19.53 | dudeman | or where it he itp list |
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| 18:19.57 | dondelelcaro | dudeman: bugs.debian.org/wnpp |
| 18:20.00 | dudeman | ok |
| 18:20.17 | drizzd | dondelelcaro: I see. I have to admit that I have a hard time understanding debian package internals. It might be from lack of trying though. |
| 18:21.20 | dudeman | nah its easy if you just read and take yoru time to understand |
| 18:21.25 | dudeman | it took me only 70+ days |
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| 18:21.41 | nicolnx | Hello there =) |
| 18:21.42 | nicolnx | Do you know, is there any stuff to remotely manage XEN domains in current debian stable ? Something like enomalism provides |
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| 18:24.46 | dudeman | ahhh |
| 18:24.46 | dudeman | Reported by: Raphael <atomo64@gmail.com> |
| 18:24.46 | dudeman | AWwwww |
| 18:24.46 | dudeman | !dbugs #428760 |
| 18:24.47 | dudeman | that makes me sad.. this dude already filed ITP on zend |
| 18:24.47 | dudeman | well w/e, I can do code igniter since I like that too |
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| 18:24.50 | dpkg | #:W[#428760] ; |
| 18:24.55 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 18:25.27 | themill | abrotman: I think judd has that covered though |
| 18:25.52 | themill | judd: bug 428760 |
| 18:25.53 | judd | themill: Bug #428760 (pending) wnpp -- ITP: libzend-framework-php -- PHP framework; Severity: wishlist; Last Modified: 2008-09-02 08:03:05 |
| 18:25.56 | abrotman | he does |
| 18:25.57 | Avernos | how can i add the backports to the repositories? |
| 18:26.06 | abrotman | Avernos: read the instructions at backports.org |
| 18:26.20 | Avernos | oki |
| 18:26.26 | halflife08 | hello how does one identify if the system is block on i/o traffic or network traffic ? i have box that has is doing heavy i/o on disk and network and experiencing slownewss. i am trying to identify the bottleneck. would apprecaite any tools or ideas |
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| 18:27.17 | justin | halflife08: vmstat |
| 18:27.18 | idimmu | halflife08: graph it with munin |
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| 18:27.26 | idimmu | you can see the wait levels and stuff |
| 18:27.34 | soulchild | Hi all,... does anyone have an ipod nano ? |
| 18:27.36 | idimmu | and go 'ooh' |
| 18:27.48 | karlpinc | halflife08 : iostat, netstat, sar, pmacct |
| 18:28.07 | soulchild | If i connect it, I do not get any message in dmesg, and also it does not charge... any ideas ? Broken Usb cable ? |
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| 18:30.29 | Sebboh | Hi. I'd like to install this on my Lenny system: http://search.cpan.org/dist/HTML-RewriteAttributes/ How can I do that? |
| 18:30.39 | mbroeker | soulchild, under linux, it is nothing more than an ordinary usb-stick. afaik does it not have a partition, so it is under /dev/sda for example |
| 18:30.46 | adama_ | soulchild: defective by design... does it work on a Mac or Windoze? |
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| 18:31.29 | dudeman | wtf it sent me to #debian-overflow |
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| 18:31.59 | Kumool | dudeman: weechat? |
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| 18:32.12 | dudeman | no irssi |
| 18:32.13 | drizzd | karlpinc: can any of those show per-process IO statistics? |
| 18:32.18 | themill | dudeman: look on the bright side, no-one will complain about you hitting "enter" all the time in there. |
| 18:32.24 | Sebboh | there there are like 900 people in here. |
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| 18:32.29 | dudeman | themill, yeh.. what can I do about that |
| 18:32.51 | Kumool | dudeman: dont worry about it you aint on another channel its just a stat for too much msgs itl go away |
| 18:32.53 | dudeman | themill, seriously I have honestly started to annoy myself even with that shit. Any tips on how to avoid using the Enter key as often? |
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| 18:33.28 | karlpinc | drizzd : Maybe sar. Or maybe lsof, possibly. |
| 18:33.30 | themill | dudeman: pause and think before you hit enter. Reread what you've written. Perhaps treat IRC more as an email and less as IM. |
| 18:33.40 | adama_ | dudeman: cut off your left pinky |
| 18:33.48 | adama_ | sorry right pinky |
| 18:33.51 | dudeman | themill, Is it just my ADD/ADHD or what do you think? I mean I try not to annoy othes and/or myself but I honestly can't help it. You should know by now that it isn't something in my control, but I'm trying my level best. |
| 18:34.24 | dudeman | its been almost 8 years I've been in here |
| 18:34.54 | dudeman | if it hasn't changed in 8 years, I doubt it will now. but I AM trying my hardest. See <-- this is a few lines in one line right |
| 18:35.21 | themill | :) |
| 18:35.45 | simonrvn | judd: of what species art thou |
| 18:35.46 | judd | simonrvn: Error: "of" is not a valid command. |
| 18:35.49 | Kumool | i havent even posted and im on overflow... so dont worry bout it |
| 18:35.54 | dudeman | simonrvn, your new bot? |
| 18:35.54 | themill | !lose simonrvn |
| 18:35.54 | dpkg | simonrvn: You Lose. |
| 18:36.02 | themill | simonrvn: supybot |
| 18:36.04 | simonrvn | no |
| 18:36.14 | simonrvn | thought so, with that reply ;) |
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| 18:38.42 | dudeman | makes a Johnnie Walker + Coke pag for himself |
| 18:38.54 | dudeman | mmmm Red Label |
| 18:39.26 | dudeman | simonrvn, I took your advice yesterday. I will leave it up to th spirits ;) (all puns intended) |
| 18:39.43 | simonrvn | ... |
| 18:39.46 | dudeman | s/th/the |
| 18:39.49 | Kumool | dudeman |
| 18:39.59 | Kumool | Moniker42 | Kumool, probably a spambot attack |
| 18:40.09 | dudeman | simonrvn, you know about the leaving it up to the higher power |
| 18:40.10 | Kumool | the overflow thing |
| 18:40.24 | dudeman | Kumool, yes? is it because there is a channel limit here? |
| 18:40.37 | Kumool | iv no idea... ask on #freenode |
| 18:40.39 | dudeman | what is the purpose of -overflow? |
| 18:40.40 | dudeman | oh ok |
| 18:40.42 | dudeman | good idea |
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| 18:45.46 | dudeman | I see now, the purpose of it. |
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| 18:49.54 | karabatak | hi everybody who could advice me a network simulation software for linux ????? |
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| 18:51.58 | abrotman | to simulate what? |
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| 18:53.23 | karabatak | network simulator (routers ,client, swicth servers ) |
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| 19:09.12 | cusco | hi |
| 19:09.32 | cusco | drxx no longer asks me video options? (just installed lenny) |
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| 19:10.02 | abrotman | cusco: it's guessing for you |
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| 19:10.53 | cusco | its guessing wrong, is there otehr xorg component that does or must I edit xorg.conf? |
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| 19:11.27 | cusco | the vertical and horizontal values are wrong |
| 19:11.47 | cusco | tho I don't know yet what theyu are... |
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| 19:11.58 | jimcooncat | apt-proxy, apt-cacher, or approx? any opinion, please? |
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| 19:17.42 | abrotman | cusco: so how can you know they are wrong? |
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| 19:20.50 | unfo | dear lazyweb, where is the X.org IRC channel? |
| 19:21.05 | Eulex | #xorg I believe |
| 19:21.07 | stew | unfo: #xorg |
| 19:21.08 | unfo | no offense meant. It's a term from the blogging world. |
| 19:21.14 | unfo | thanks |
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| 19:22.26 | cgibin | i never had any issues with debian, what a nice distro |
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| 19:24.11 | toad_ | how do i make initramfs work with lvm over raid? |
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| 19:25.01 | toad_ | (it doesn't pick up the LVM) |
| 19:25.02 | toad_ | any ideas? |
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| 19:28.01 | cusco | abrotman: because after adjusting the display on the screen buttons , changing to X or to consolee resets those settings and it goes back to the wrong place.. |
| 19:28.29 | abrotman | xrandr? |
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| 19:30.03 | ProNoob | how do i use rsync or scp to copy over files from one host to another ? |
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| 19:31.18 | OpenTokix | ProNoob: if you are on host 1 |
| 19:31.25 | OpenTokix | and you have /path/folder |
| 19:31.55 | OpenTokix | and want folder to end up in /home/pronoob/ on host2 |
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| 19:31.58 | OpenTokix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:32.17 | tme | Hello, I've been trying to get Wifi to work on my Acer Aspire One running Lenny. I've installed the Madwifi driver from source, it's loaded and I can see the ath0 device. I can scan using the device, yet, when I try to bring it up using ifup, I get no response from the DHCP. Instead, the message "wpa_supplicant: madwifi driver is unsupported". Also, a little down the error "wifi0: unknown... |
| 19:32.18 | tme | ...hardware address type 801" is repeated two times. Then, the DHCP doesn't seem to find anything. |
| 19:32.25 | OpenTokix | ProNoob: -a is archive, a good selection of options. - v is veribose and P is progress |
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| 19:45.08 | livingdaylight__ | hi |
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| 19:45.26 | livingdaylight__ | is one allowed to ask when lenny will be released? or will the answer be "when its ready" |
| 19:45.36 | arezey | !wwlr |
| 19:45.36 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 19:46.19 | livingdaylight__ | second half of 2008 is now? |
| 19:46.29 | arezey | me thinks so. |
| 19:46.35 | livingdaylight__ | anytime from now till the end of the year? |
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| 19:46.46 | arezey | my guess is as good as yours |
| 19:46.52 | livingdaylight__ | ok |
| 19:46.55 | stew | livingdaylight__: yes, but not very close to now since there are still lots of release critical bugs |
| 19:47.09 | stew | livingdaylight__: and it could be next year, depending on how long those take to be fixed |
| 19:47.13 | abrotman | wtf is wrong with dpkg .. bot-envy? |
| 19:47.17 | Section9 | hello, I'm wondering if anyone has experience with getting audio devices to work correctly for chrooted programs. I'm trying to use schroot with Skype, and it's not detecting any of my audio devices. |
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| 19:47.33 | arezey | abrotman, dpkg behaves fine for me |
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| 19:51.36 | cusco_ | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/InhsgA90.html |
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| 19:52.04 | abrotman | cusco_: what is your driver .. and what is your card? |
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| 19:52.46 | dustybin | grrr i always forget how to patch a file, im in the same dir as the original file.cpp and the file.cpp.patch how would one apply the patch to the original file? |
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| 19:53.22 | Avernos | hello, when trying to install libapache2-mod-wsgi im suposed to add this line to apache LoadModule wsgi_module modules/mod_wsgi.so but i think it should be with libapache2-mod-wsgi, ? |
| 19:53.49 | justin | dustybin: read the first 5 lines of the patch man page? |
| 19:53.50 | abrotman | dustybin: believe it or not .. man patch does exist |
| 19:54.08 | cusco | abrotman: not sure im guessing its using vesa and its a nvidia nForce |
| 19:54.16 | dustybin | yes i got that open and ive tried lots of different combinations and i keep on getting |
| 19:54.19 | dustybin | patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input. |
| 19:54.20 | abrotman | cusco: did oyu try the nv driver? |
| 19:54.24 | abrotman | jebus |
| 19:54.52 | cusco_ | abrotman: I was wating for the drxx to ask me about driver... |
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| 19:55.42 | abrotman | cusco_: you can override the auto detection |
| 19:55.48 | cusco_ | cool! how? |
| 19:55.49 | abrotman | dpkg: bouncy |
| 19:55.49 | dpkg | it has been said that bouncy is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
| 19:55.59 | abrotman | cusco_: write it in the xorg.conf |
| 19:56.14 | cusco_ | abrotman: oh yes I understand that |
| 19:56.14 | abrotman | cusco_: lspci | grep VGA .. see what the card is first |
| 19:56.41 | cusco_ | geforce 7600 |
| 19:56.48 | cusco_ | I will deal with that later |
| 19:56.58 | cusco_ | so drxx won't ask for driver now |
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| 20:00.21 | livingdaylight__ | hi |
| 20:00.36 | livingdaylight__ | can someone help me and give me theppc link? |
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| 20:00.56 | livingdaylight__ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/powerpc/jigdo-cd/ they're all different sized and i don't know which one to take |
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| 20:02.19 | livingdaylight__ | kann mir jemand helfen? |
| 20:03.25 | petemc | livingdaylight__: do you have a powerpc machine? |
| 20:03.39 | livingdaylight__ | petemc, iBook G3 500MHz |
| 20:03.52 | petemc | all good then |
| 20:04.08 | petemc | i dont use jigdo, so i cant answer your question, sorry |
| 20:04.09 | livingdaylight__ | i don'tknowwhch is thebest weay to go. Net install ? full iso ? |
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| 20:04.24 | livingdaylight__ | i don't need to use jigdo |
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| 20:04.56 | SparFux | When using xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list I get a lot of errors like couldn't find candidate for package... what is wrong? |
| 20:05.05 | SparFux | I did aptitude update already. |
| 20:05.39 | SparFux | I am trying to use the aptitude clone mechanism. |
| 20:06.43 | livingdaylight__ | why are all the different cd's different sizes? |
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| 20:06.47 | livingdaylight__ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/powerpc/iso-cd/ |
| 20:08.19 | petemc | livingdaylight__: try the first one, tho my memories of installing on old macs tell me i had to keep a small install of os9 on it and bootx |
| 20:08.52 | petemc | livingdaylight__: also, g3s could be oldworld or newworld |
| 20:09.00 | petemc | iirc |
| 20:09.07 | livingdaylight__ | petemc, oldworld |
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| 20:09.34 | livingdaylight__ | petemc, is the ppc iso different for oldworld? |
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| 20:09.52 | petemc | i suspect so, buty its been a while |
| 20:10.08 | livingdaylight__ | petemc, do you know if there a ready made debian ppc + Enlightenment? |
| 20:10.30 | petemc | i dont, a lot has changed since i used that shit |
| 20:10.49 | petemc | i have a ppc mac, which im using now, but it runs osx |
| 20:10.54 | livingdaylight__ | no one in #debianppc responds and i don't know either |
| 20:11.08 | petemc | its kinda obsolete knowledge |
| 20:11.23 | jMCg | What's wrong here: http://dpaste.com/78259/ -- I'm trying to aptitude install -t testing libcurl-openssl-dev -- but it's complaining that it'll have to downgrade stuff. Am I missing something out? |
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| 20:11.43 | petemc | there was a definitive guide on installing debian on a g3, but i cant remember who authored it |
| 20:12.10 | cgibin | on my other system i finish building my kernel it put the initrd.img however on the other one it didnt make initrd.img . any ideas why? |
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| 20:17.50 | themill | jMCg: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" for us? And what's the output of: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 20:18.22 | themill | jMCg: err actually... that's because that package isn't in testing |
| 20:18.37 | themill | judd: versions libcurl3-openssl-dev |
| 20:18.39 | judd | themill: libcurl3-openssl-dev: 7.15.5-1etch1 (etch) |
| 20:19.37 | themill | judd: versions libcurl4-openssl-dev |
| 20:19.39 | judd | themill: libcurl4-openssl-dev: 7.18.2-5 (lenny) 7.18.2-7 (sid) |
| 20:19.49 | themill | jMCg: ^^ that's the package I think you want |
| 20:20.07 | cgibin | any ideas? |
| 20:20.42 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 400000 |
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| 20:20.45 | dpkg | DONE:#400000:W[libroxen-imho] libroxen-imho: [INTL:fr] French debconf templates translation update (l10n patch); 1164282491 [] |
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| 20:21.00 | andriijas | how do i log out another logged in user on the system? |
| 20:21.08 | andriijas | via ssh |
| 20:21.09 | themill | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 20:22.50 | abrotman | yay fixed! |
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| 20:23.18 | jpinx | Anyone know how to mount a filetype described by file -s as ACB archive data ? |
| 20:23.51 | pgpkeys | AndrewB - well you could kill -TERM their parent ssh pid |
| 20:24.15 | pgpkeys | then lock their account by changing their shell to a non existant one (one not listed in shells) |
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| 20:25.18 | jMCg | Ah.. makes sense. Thanks guys themill, judd. |
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| 20:26.04 | cbjulio | Hi. My debian lenny don't have support to ethernet Kaiomy KM8139D...But i have to install it... |
| 20:27.04 | jjrh | Hello, I was wondering where the logs for wireless stuff are kept, and if there is a way to see updates in realtime. |
| 20:27.10 | cbjulio | There are not module for this... |
| 20:27.25 | pgpkeys | then you'll have to follow the docs on how to rebuild the kernel and add the support for the module *IF* the kernel supports that particular nic. if it was supported in the previous kernel it should still be supported. |
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| 20:27.29 | hatter243 | If I've got a while loop that greps a file for matches, how can I tell if grep doesn't match anything for that loop? Should I put the grep statement in an if statement and evaulate it before actually doing the work? |
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| 20:29.07 | themill | hatter243: look at the return code from grep. You can use -q if you just want to know if there is a match. If you want to know how many matches, then capture the output with -c. (man grep) |
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| 20:29.22 | hatter243 | I'll give that a looksy, thanks |
| 20:29.25 | themill | hatter243: if you're continually grepping until something appears, you might find the output of "tail -f" is useful. |
| 20:30.04 | hatter243 | Nah, it's a file that I'll get once a week filled with usernames and I'm grepping another file with a while read line loop to see if they exist in our DNS |
| 20:30.17 | themill | ahh |
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| 20:30.53 | themill | hatter243: sounds like something where perl might be better, creating a hash of known names from your dns for example. Depends how long it's going to take to run. |
| 20:31.31 | hatter243 | If only I spoke perl =/ hah! I know it would be a ton easier in perl but I don't know it |
| 20:31.59 | pgpkeys | perl.org has a crapload of tutorials if you've the time to read some of them |
| 20:32.03 | themill | hatter243: perhaps this is a convenient opportunity to learn some :) It's not hard to get started. |
| 20:32.07 | pgpkeys | if you have a week inbetween you might have the time |
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| 20:32.26 | petemc | you can learn perl in a week? |
| 20:32.31 | petemc | i must be stupid |
| 20:32.41 | hatter243 | After I get this working to stall the hounds of hell for a few days I'll get an opportunity to try that |
| 20:32.48 | faux | what does the debian-updates* dvd contain? |
| 20:32.50 | pgpkeys | enough for what he wants to do. never said he'd be *fluent* |
| 20:32.52 | abrotman | petemc: i'll refrain from making comments about your hardware choices :) |
| 20:33.02 | hatter243 | petemc, I saw a book the other day that said I can learn it in 9 days or whatever, hah |
| 20:33.13 | petemc | abrotman: if it good enough for google.. |
| 20:33.28 | petemc | hatter243: there are books that clam you can learn it in 24 hours |
| 20:33.30 | petemc | sams |
| 20:33.33 | petemc | they suck |
| 20:33.36 | abrotman | petemc: it's easier when you don't have to rely on each one .. if you're just throwing hardware at the problem .. great! |
| 20:33.47 | petemc | point |
| 20:34.17 | pickcoder | petemc: "it" is a bit relative |
| 20:34.30 | petemc | isnt everything |
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| 20:35.12 | hatter243 | petemc, that's what I was refering to, I just couldn't remember the exact amount of time =/ |
| 20:35.18 | pickcoder | they probably don't note that you only learn how to print "hello world" to the screen |
| 20:35.21 | pickcoder | heh |
| 20:35.28 | pickcoder | possibly output to a file |
| 20:35.41 | pgpkeys | hatter243 - http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2008/04/23/a-beginners-introduction-to-perl-510.html and then http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2008/05/07/beginners-introduction-to-perl-510-part-2.html (just save the URLs for later) |
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| 20:37.06 | hatter243 | rgr, thanks! |
| 20:37.15 | pgpkeys | no problem |
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| 20:38.34 | hesco | I've got a job I'm setting up which will likely run for a week or more. Its to run on a remote server. My local connection, or perhaps that for the remote server is pretty flaky. I lose my unattended shells in less than an hour. I'm thinking I should schedule this with at, perhaps, but don't seem to have it available. What package would it be in? Any other advice on how to get this job done on the remote machine? |
| 20:39.17 | pgpkeys | cron should work |
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| 20:39.30 | abrotman | hesco: start it in screen ? |
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| 20:40.09 | pgpkeys | combination thereof |
| 20:40.29 | hesco | pgkeys: I guess I could start it at a particular date, without restarting multiple versions with cron. |
| 20:40.41 | hesco | What is screen? |
| 20:40.49 | hesco | I'm not familiar with that. |
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| 20:45.39 | mimcpher | hesco, gnu screen will allow you to have a shell that you can connect to from zero or more locations, where the job running on it won't terminate if you disconnect. |
| 20:46.09 | abrotman | !screen |
| 20:46.10 | dpkg | methinks screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or aptitude install screen |
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| 20:48.30 | hesco | sweet, installing it now. |
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| 20:49.15 | hesco | I guess I want to install this on my local client machine, not the remote server? |
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| 20:50.00 | pickcoder | screen runs where the shell is you want to maintain |
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| 20:50.52 | et | ... or on a machine that has a stable network connection to the machine where you want to maintain the shell ;) |
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| 20:51.06 | MariachiAC | On a new install of debian Lenny, how do I enable surround sound? |
| 20:51.55 | abrotman | move the speakers |
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| 20:52.21 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=linux+surround+sound&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= |
| 20:52.26 | pickcoder | checks abrotman for THX certification |
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| 20:53.01 | abrotman | WHOOOOM |
| 20:53.45 | MariachiAC | abrotman: thanks |
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| 20:57.18 | hesco | my cron job didn't fire. I thought that if there were no cron.deny, that anyone could use it. Do I specifically have to install a cron.allow? |
| 20:58.03 | magyar_ | hi, I installed debian lenny and the system is not able to see my lg dvd-rw device. I can see it being listed in dmesg but not in kde. I tried /dev/cdrom and dev/scd but with no luck |
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| 21:02.42 | mbroeker | enter system:/ in konqueror |
| 21:03.49 | karlgus | magyar_: Have you tried to mount the cdrom? |
| 21:04.12 | magyar_ | mbroeker, system:/media < only floppy and partitions |
| 21:04.19 | magyar_ | karlgus, yeap |
| 21:05.12 | mbroeker | magyar, is the cdrom drive emtpy? try inserting any kind of media |
| 21:05.57 | magyar_ | mbroeker, I tried inserting several CD-s but nothing happens |
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| 21:06.24 | Tramp | hesco: no |
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| 21:07.42 | mbroeker | magyar, well you can add a line to /etc/fstab like /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 but ... |
| 21:08.12 | pbn | Hello, after upgrading a Debian lenny machine to linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 .. no more sound. This is a snd-hda-intel sound chipset ... no more sound... any idea of how to fix this ? |
| 21:08.20 | mbroeker | kde + hal should do it anyway for you... |
| 21:09.17 | mbroeker | pbn, paste /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
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| 21:09.51 | themill | pbn: also, pastebin: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 21:09.56 | magyar_ | mbroeker, i have it already |
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| 21:10.41 | magyar_ | mbroeker, the problem is, I can't even mount the device from bash |
| 21:11.01 | Firefishe | Is lenny >= testing? |
| 21:11.04 | curtmack | How do I change which drive Debian uses as the swap drive? Currently it always sets it up as /dev/hda5, and I need it as /dev/sda2 |
| 21:11.05 | mbroeker | with which messages, magentar ? |
| 21:11.30 | curtmack | because I need hda back, because it's about to become my Windows XP boot drive. |
| 21:11.36 | mbroeker | curtmack, edit /etc/fstab |
| 21:12.06 | curtmack | thanks |
| 21:12.28 | mbroeker | curtmack, depends on the current state of sda2, you may need to create the swap partition... |
| 21:12.34 | curtmack | on a related note, how do I stop Debian from switching all of my menu.lst root devices from sda1 to hda1? |
| 21:12.40 | magyar_ | mbroeker, [ 19.657549] sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray |
| 21:12.46 | curtmack | mbroeker: that's already been done |
| 21:12.55 | pbn | mbroeker, themill: sorry can't look at that right now, machine is powered off and on the other side of the town... actually, it's "as if there was sound", alsa starts, all programs that can play music start (amarok, arts)... but there is no sound... someone said the solution is to add options snd-hda-intel model=something ... but I don't know what I should put as model :) |
| 21:13.13 | curtmack | well hmm, it's already set to /dev/sda2, but it still activates /dev/hda5 as the swap drive |
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| 21:13.42 | themill | pbn: 2.6.26 changes quite a few things with hda intel. I gather there are now to sound devices for the price of one there and you need to select the right one. |
| 21:13.49 | mbroeker | curtmack, solutions work better if the guy who wants a solution can implement them... |
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| 21:14.20 | curtmack | what? |
| 21:14.38 | pbn | themill: yes some coworker said there was a new way to use/configure snd-hda-intel but he didn't know much more about this |
| 21:15.06 | pbn | themill: It's hours I'm googling after snd-hda-intel and 2.6.26.. solution not found so far |
| 21:15.11 | mbroeker | curtmack, sorry, i was brabbeling to pbn |
| 21:15.19 | themill | pbn: blind leading the blind around here. There's a thread on debian-laptop from the last few days that might help. |
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| 21:16.49 | curtmack | oh oh oh, I bet I know what it is... I may be misreading the message I get on boot-up |
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| 21:17.12 | curtmack | it's hibernation, /dev/hda5 is where it looks for a hibernated image. |
| 21:17.23 | pbn | themill: yeah there are thread, bug reports,... |
| 21:17.32 | curtmack | I need that to be /dev/sda2 as well, though, because soon, /dev/hda5 will not exist... |
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| 21:17.42 | curtmack | anybody know how to set that up? |
| 21:17.51 | mbroeker | curtmack, paste your /etc/fstab and the output from swapon -s |
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| 21:19.33 | curtmack | http://pastebin.com/m2706e26 |
| 21:20.35 | hesco | Well I have my job running (with duplicate checking to account for the restarts) having been put in the background with an &. But I suspect that will stop running if and when I next lose my shell. screen looked like a bit of a learning curb and cron is not cooperating with mne today. |
| 21:21.58 | mbroeker | curtmack, i am a bit confused right now: sda2 is setup as a swapspace and that's what you want. So what do i miss? |
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| 21:23.13 | cafuego | hesco: `nohup' can be our frind, but 'screen' is really what you should use. |
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| 21:23.58 | curtmack | mbroeker: Now I'm trying to figure out why it looks in /dev/hda5 for suspend images on bootup |
| 21:24.02 | cafuego | hesco: it's not hard to use. 'screen' to start it. ctrl-a d to detach. screen -A to reattach |
| 21:24.15 | pbn | ok guys thanks, I'll try that tomorrow :) |
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| 21:24.55 | hesco | cafeuego: can you say more about the screen -A to reattach, please? How do I know what I'm reattaching to? Can I do it from anywhere? |
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| 21:25.17 | cafuego | hesco: Youn are reattaching to a detached screen (socket) |
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| 21:25.46 | cafuego | hesco: if it's still attached, 'screen -x' will *add* a display... so multiple users (or one user, multiple times) can be attached to the sme screen. |
| 21:25.49 | hesco | don't I have to address it somehow?, say with a fqdn and port or something? |
| 21:25.57 | cafuego | hesco: no, you ssh in first |
| 21:26.16 | cafuego | hesco: screen is always local to the machine you're logged in to. |
| 21:26.23 | mbroeker | curtmack, i think that's a builtin kernel setting. i have seen such questions in make menuconfig. maybe a sysctl exists... |
| 21:26.30 | hesco | so it would go like this: local # ssh remote.example.net |
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| 21:26.39 | cafuego | hesco: and then run |
| 21:26.43 | cafuego | 'screen -A' |
| 21:26.46 | hesco | screen script/to/run |
| 21:26.56 | cafuego | to attach a screen on remote.example.com that you had previously detached |
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| 21:27.17 | hesco | ok, I'll try that now |
| 21:27.26 | curtmack | "grep hda5 /etc/sysctl.conf" gives me nothing |
| 21:27.38 | cafuego | needs to get ready and go to work - but there's enough people here that use and know screen |
| 21:27.43 | mbroeker | curtmack, try sysctl -a | grep hda5 |
| 21:28.15 | curtmack | a couple of permission denied errors for some reason, but otherwise, still nothing |
| 21:30.20 | mbroeker | curtmack, forget it: i have taken a look into it: [*] Hibernation (aka 'suspend to disk') (hda5) Default resume partition |
| 21:30.38 | mbroeker | that has nothing to do with this here. |
| 21:31.11 | curtmack | so how do I set it to use sda2? |
| 21:31.20 | hesco | ok, I went to another server, ssh'd into my remote box where the week long job is running, did screen -A and got a shell prompt, with no clue about any running job. |
| 21:31.45 | hesco | although top seems to know its running. |
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| 21:32.38 | wols_ | hesco: how about screen -r if you already have a running screen session you want to go back into? |
| 21:32.57 | karlgus | I will go to bed know, see you tomorrow, bye |
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| 21:44.11 | micols | anyone, i am using slrnpull and have recieved full articles and using slrn --spool and it is using my slrnpull spool dir, why does slrn still recieve headers(takes a long time) from the net?? |
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| 21:44.42 | JordiGH | I don't suppose there's a way to stop a running process, nice it, and restart it where it left off? |
| 21:44.56 | JordiGH | I think I may be able to fry an egg on my lappy. |
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| 21:45.18 | cafuego | JordiGH: If it's via thr CLI yes - just ^z it |
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| 21:46.10 | JordiGH | cafuego: And then how can I nice it? |
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| 21:48.02 | themill | JordiGH: you can always renice without stopping it |
| 21:48.24 | lymeca | oops. can I undo rm -rf? |
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| 21:48.31 | wols_ | !undelete |
| 21:48.31 | dpkg | [undeleting] Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html, With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
| 21:48.34 | themill | lymeca: yes, using your backups |
| 21:48.35 | abrotman | lymeca: with your backup! |
| 21:49.14 | JordiGH | themill: Oops, renice. I should have known about that one. |
| 21:49.17 | dmoerner | hm dpkg has a dead link in that factoid |
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| 21:49.49 | themill | dmoerner: the undelete link? |
| 21:49.55 | abrotman | dmoerner: take off the comma |
| 21:50.09 | abrotman | dpkg: undelete =~ s/html,/html/ |
| 21:50.09 | dpkg | abrotman: safe delete has been disable so what is there to undelete? |
| 21:50.18 | abrotman | ffs |
| 21:50.22 | themill | !win dpkg |
| 21:50.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, dpkg! You have won a one way ticket to Gaza! |
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| 21:50.41 | abrotman | i got it |
| 21:50.43 | abrotman | !undelete |
| 21:50.43 | dpkg | well, undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
| 21:51.18 | datacrusher | hi folks, i need to restruture my partitons, but even if i login with the single user, i still cant edit my partitions. im using gparted |
| 21:51.46 | datacrusher | i dont really need to use a GUI program to edit it, i need to resize a partition and create a new one |
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| 21:52.27 | lymeca | umount: /www: device is busy --- what should I do to force unmounting? |
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| 21:55.53 | curtmack | is there a mkfs for NTFS? |
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| 21:56.22 | simNIX | best is to use windows to make a windows fs |
| 21:56.51 | simNIX | better then best maybe not use it - ) |
| 21:56.55 | datacrusher | im on debian etch |
| 21:57.31 | mbroeker | curtmack, try the ntfsprogs package but don't expect windows lifetime support... |
| 21:58.11 | curtmack | I just need to format a drive to NTFS so I can transfer my virtualbox WinXP install to said drive |
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| 21:58.23 | curtmack | so it's a one-time thing |
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| 22:03.11 | stoked | need to build virtualbox guest accessories, but the kernel-headers don't match my kernel |
| 22:03.20 | stoked | how do I downgrade my kernel-headers to previous version? |
| 22:03.52 | wols_ | stoked: you don't. you simply install the proper headers |
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| 22:05.27 | cgibin | on my other system i finish building my kernel it put the initrd.img however on the other one it didnt make initrd.img . any ideas why? |
| 22:05.46 | wols_ | cgibin: did you use kernel-package? |
| 22:05.53 | cgibin | nope |
| 22:05.59 | stoked | wols_ how do I choose which version to install? I did an aptitude install linux-kernel-headers |
| 22:06.01 | wols_ | that was error #1. use it |
| 22:06.03 | cgibin | i did download |
| 22:06.09 | cgibin | i dont want to use pkg |
| 22:06.29 | wols_ | cgibin: and that has any bearing how? |
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| 22:06.58 | cgibin | i just cannot seem to get this, other one worked fine however the one i m trying didnt |
| 22:07.03 | cgibin | its nothing to do with pkgin |
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| 22:07.23 | cgibin | i think i need to remove the one its installed its over writing or what i m not sure |
| 22:07.31 | wols_ | stoked: linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 22:07.36 | cgibin | other one that worked fine i didnt remove it |
| 22:07.42 | wols_ | cgibin: you fucked up. we don't care. use kernel-package |
| 22:07.56 | cgibin | why you talking like that dude |
| 22:08.05 | cgibin | do you seem me using FUCK THIS FUCK THAT |
| 22:08.06 | wols_ | cause it's the truth |
| 22:08.14 | cgibin | i would however i choice not to |
| 22:08.22 | cgibin | ok let me try different way |
| 22:08.24 | wols_ | your choice |
| 22:08.27 | stoked | wols_ aptitude doesn't find it |
| 22:08.34 | wols_ | stoked: what kernel version? |
| 22:08.38 | cgibin | this fuckin selinux sux stupid thing grabs every thing, |
| 22:08.47 | stoked | 2.6.18+6etch3 |
| 22:08.58 | stoked | but headers installed are 2.6.18-7 |
| 22:08.59 | themill | cgibin: give it a break |
| 22:09.07 | stoked | dunno why it's not isntalling matching headers |
| 22:09.11 | wols_ | stoked: update the kernel to the current version |
| 22:09.20 | cgibin | try using the 2.6.16 much better and safer, |
| 22:09.25 | wols_ | cause you run an old kernel |
| 22:09.29 | stoked | oh |
| 22:09.32 | wols_ | cgibin: there is no 2.6.16 in debian |
| 22:09.35 | stoked | aptitude upgrade should do that? |
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| 22:09.47 | wols_ | stoked: depends. sometimes |
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| 22:10.22 | cgibin | 2.6.16.62 #1 SMP Thu Sep 11 11:52:51 PDT 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:10.32 | cgibin | wols_, get the stuff right |
| 22:10.34 | cgibin | sure is |
| 22:10.34 | wols_ | cgibin: not a debian kernel |
| 22:10.51 | wols_ | cgibin: no. now please stop to show me where I can download it on debian.org |
| 22:11.07 | cgibin | wols_, i m done talking to you, thank you |
| 22:11.22 | pickcoder | cgibin: that is not a kernel on Etch |
| 22:11.24 | wols_ | stoked: ignore cgibin. he has no clue what he's talking about |
| 22:11.27 | webPragmatist | how can i see the speed transfers are going through a eth interface? |
| 22:11.36 | wols_ | webPragmatist: iptraf |
| 22:11.38 | cgibin | lol |
| 22:11.45 | stoked | I accidently dropped off the channel and missed something I think |
| 22:11.51 | webPragmatist | wols_: anything default installed? |
| 22:11.57 | cgibin | stoked: as you sow my kernel and sow what he said now tell me who doesnt have clue |
| 22:12.01 | wols_ | webPragmatist: ifconfig... |
| 22:12.12 | stoked | how do I upgrade to latest kernel? I did an aptitude upgrade but still same kernel |
| 22:12.18 | themill | cgibin: please stop. You're not helping. |
| 22:12.25 | pickcoder | stoked: you have to manually install it |
| 22:12.27 | wols_ | stoked: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 22:12.35 | cgibin | sure themill, sorry about this vibe |
| 22:12.39 | pickcoder | manually.. as in kernel package name |
| 22:13.52 | stoked | hmmm, that apt-cache command didn't show a newer kernel that what I got |
| 22:14.08 | wols_ | stoked: you run etch? x86-64? |
| 22:14.21 | stoked | no |
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| 22:14.27 | stoked | x86 |
| 22:14.29 | stoked | 32bit |
| 22:14.30 | stoked | etch |
| 22:14.50 | wols_ | aptitude update;apt-cache search linux-image |
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| 22:15.36 | stoked | linux-image-2.6.18-6-486 - Linux 2.6.18 image on x86 |
| 22:15.41 | stoked | that's the latest... |
| 22:15.47 | stoked | after the update |
| 22:16.03 | stoked | wonder if my mirror is not updated or something strange |
| 22:16.54 | wols_ | stoked: what cpu? |
| 22:16.55 | stoked | latest should be 2.6.18-7-486 right? |
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| 22:17.06 | wols_ | no. 2.6.18-6 is the latest |
| 22:17.20 | wols_ | stoked: what cpu? |
| 22:17.38 | stoked | amd A64 2Ghz |
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| 22:18.23 | stoked | dpkg -l |grep kernel |
| 22:18.23 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep kernel |
| 22:18.40 | wols_ | get linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 22:18.40 | stoked | shows my ismage is -6 |
| 22:18.53 | stoked | but my kerenlheaders are -7 |
| 22:19.07 | stoked | oh |
| 22:19.19 | stoked | I was under impression that 686 was 64bit |
| 22:19.21 | stoked | my bad |
| 22:19.54 | pickcoder | no pentium 2's were 64-bit :) |
| 22:19.55 | wols_ | stoked: dpkg -l |grep linux-headers |
| 22:20.10 | stoked | :) true! |
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| 22:20.34 | webPragmatist | what do you guys recommend for rotating apache logs? |
| 22:20.35 | wols_ | stoked: "linux-kernel-headers" are NOT the headers you need or want |
| 22:20.46 | wols_ | webPragmatist: logrotate already does itr |
| 22:21.18 | stoked | oh I got the wrong pacakge? |
| 22:21.23 | datacrusher | how do i resize my partition on etch? im trying to ise gparted, but it says the partition is being used, even if i umount it |
| 22:21.31 | webPragmatist | wols_: what about custom logs? |
| 22:21.50 | stoked | oh, I got the wrong headers, doh! |
| 22:21.52 | stoked | thanks w3rd__ |
| 22:21.54 | stoked | thanks wols_ |
| 22:22.00 | wols_ | webPragmatist: same |
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| 22:22.15 | wols_ | datacrusher: use a live cd and then do it |
| 22:22.22 | webPragmatist | wols_: these logs are stored somewhere else... do i just need to move them to /var/log ? |
| 22:22.25 | pickcoder | webPragmatist: /var/log/apache2/*.log is rotrate |
| 22:22.35 | wols_ | webPragmatist: no. man logrotate |
| 22:22.38 | pickcoder | copy the lograte.d config for apache2 and fix it |
| 22:22.53 | datacrusher | hm |
| 22:22.58 | pickcoder | s/fix it/make an additional config for those logs |
| 22:23.13 | datacrusher | no way doing it on a single user, umountin the partition...? |
| 22:23.13 | datacrusher | illl have to download entire etch dvd again |
| 22:23.28 | wols_ | datacrusher: no you don't. gparted has a livecd |
| 22:24.14 | stoked | thanks for the help wols_ |
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| 22:24.23 | stoked | think I got what I wanted now |
| 22:24.57 | webPragmatist | wols_: cool thanks |
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| 22:28.02 | wiedenmann | what is the kernel in the testing netinstal image? |
| 22:28.39 | doublehp | are /etc/shadow salted ? i have put the same password on two machines, and the root line of shadow is not the same ... |
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| 22:29.09 | wols_ | doublehp: of course it is |
| 22:30.12 | doublehp | wols_: if i change the password on one machine, and copy the file over, will it work ? in practice , i have mounted a cold disk in a machine, and i want to change the password of the machine without booting the disk ... could chroot do it ? |
| 22:30.42 | wols_ | doublehp: yes chrooting to the disk will work |
| 22:31.03 | doublehp | wols_: I usually login by ssh-rsa, but, after kernel update, NIC is dead, and, my password is too complex to be typed . thx, i ll try chroot :) |
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| 22:33.23 | jhamlin | is there a im client that will let me chat with google-talk people? |
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| 22:33.59 | MXIIA | how hard is it to switch (files and stuff) from ubuntu to debian? |
| 22:34.05 | themill | jhamlin: kopete will, there are others too |
| 22:34.32 | jhamlin | themill: many thanks |
| 22:34.36 | simNIX | jhamlin, pidgin can |
| 22:35.33 | doublehp | jhamlin: gTalk = Jabber : any Jabber client can do it |
| 22:35.43 | webPragmatist | wols_: what's sharedscripts do? |
| 22:35.51 | pickcoder | MXIIA: potentially impossible depending on what "files and stuff" mean |
| 22:35.52 | webPragmatist | the directive for logrotate... i don't see it in man |
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| 22:36.21 | webPragmatist | oh wait nm found it i'm blind |
| 22:36.23 | mesut | hi,anyone using firehol ? |
| 22:36.56 | doublehp | jhamlin: in Pidgin, Jabber is called "XMPP"; gTalk is only a predefined profile with a default server name ... |
| 22:37.15 | MXIIA | pickcoder, assuming i have nothing i need to back up, how would I switch? |
| 22:37.58 | themill | MXIIA: /msg dpkg reinstall |
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| 22:39.20 | doublehp | wols_: worked (of course :D ) |
| 22:39.52 | datacrusher | guys, whats a nice way to do a system backup, so i can quickly restore a debian system ? |
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| 22:40.36 | themill | !rsnapshot |
| 22:40.36 | dpkg | from memory, rsnapshot is a filesystem snapshot utility, which creates incremental backups of local and remote filesystems, using hard links to save disk space. See also /usr/share/doc/rsnapshot/html/rsnapshot-howto.html and http://rsnapshot.sf.net/faq.html, or ask me about <rdiff-backup> |
| 22:40.36 | doublehp | datacrusher: including MBR and partitiontable: dd |
| 22:40.38 | datacrusher | i managed a file backup, dayli done by cron to dvdrw, but thats only our files... i took more than a week to get debian to do all the samba sharing and stuff, i dont wanna do it abain |
| 22:40.43 | themill | datacrusher: depends on what you want |
| 22:41.05 | doublehp | datacrusher: if you can afford time to put MBR and partition table in some way ... rsync |
| 22:41.30 | datacrusher | i think if it crashes, ill get about 4, 5 hours to put it back |
| 22:42.12 | doublehp | datacrusher: to save dvdrw, and allow larger room, buy an USB2 disk, or spare internal, and use rsync => better automation, better scripting, more room for medium price |
| 22:43.17 | datacrusher | [doublehp]: nice suggestion... iv seen my installation partition gots about 6gb of files, but i really need its the samba sharing, users, groups and stuff |
| 22:43.31 | datacrusher | the dvdrws only catches the personal files |
| 22:43.36 | doublehp | datacrusher: also depends which kind of crash you think of : to prevent crash of single disk, use raid1 on 3 or 4 disks ; to prevent filesystem corruption, you need sth i never could setup yet |
| 22:43.58 | datacrusher | [doublehp]: its not that huge cpter. it gots only one hd |
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| 22:44.07 | themill | doublehp: my normal approach is to backup config files and package listing and if I need to rebuild the machine then do a reinstall from the original packages and then bring back in the config and data files. (rsnapshot is what I use for the backups) |
| 22:44.10 | doublehp | datacrusher: to prevent user attacks, you will have to prefer NFS or any network solution that will restaure a default distribution every morning (like in most cybercafés) |
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| 22:44.37 | datacrusher | i see.. |
| 22:44.57 | datacrusher | my samba server its local, no access to web, so i wont get invasion issues |
| 22:45.38 | datacrusher | ill read more about this rsnapshot |
| 22:45.53 | doublehp | datacrusher: all my datas are on the same disks: two disks in halfes: first halfs are raid0 for speed; every night, they copy to sencond half that are raid1 for security: if on disk dies, i can restaure from the second half of other disk. Against fire or electrical hasards, i have a monthly third backup on USB disk (i plug it only 6h per month) |
| 22:46.47 | datacrusher | [doublehp]: whoa, thats very nice.. ill later on try to get another disk, all our machines are equal hp stations |
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| 22:46.56 | datacrusher | some have a very little use |
| 22:46.56 | doublehp | themill: archiving /usr or not is religious debate ; if you have room and need to restaure fast, you shll BU /usr. your way to do things is the slow and economic one |
| 22:47.20 | jhamlin | feel free to be rude if this is too much of a "non-debian" question but: if I'm using kopete and I want to be able to send a message to someone on google-talk, do I have to have my own google talk account? Or can I send using only an AIM account? |
| 22:47.33 | doublehp | datacrusher: first think about NFS system: a /usr can be RO for all clients: only server will do updates in a chroot. |
| 22:47.48 | doublehp | datacrusher: further, there is netboot ... => diskless |
| 22:47.49 | datacrusher | hm |
| 22:47.54 | themill | doublehp: yeah. Actually, I have a fat enough pipe to download stuff that copying everything off a usb disk would probably be slower |
| 22:48.17 | datacrusher | i thnk the usb drive its the easyest way |
| 22:48.19 | themill | jhamlin: you need a google talk account too |
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| 22:50.22 | doublehp | datacrusher: depends against which kind of hasard you want to be protected, and how fats/simple/automated you want to restaure. |
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| 22:51.39 | Nigromante | hello |
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| 22:51.50 | datacrusher | [doublehp]: in fact, i got no hasards on the view, i just worked really hard theese days to put a debian file server working fine, with too many services i wasnt used to. Its a personal conquest, and a huge fight with the bosses. all here stroked stones when i decided to kick out the crappy w2k server, and start from a new linux view |
| 22:52.40 | datacrusher | i dont wanto to have them yelling at me if some stupidity happens to the server, and i dont be able to get it running as fast as formating a w2k server, and sharing a folder to everybody, like was before |
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| 22:52.52 | Nigromante | Hi. Question: if I use a custom kernel, should I recompile the libc packages (glibc) ? |
| 22:53.15 | doublehp | datacrusher: save /etc, /var, /root, /home ... should do for easy restauration (by reinstall ) |
| 22:53.42 | hesco | well, I just checked back in and found that my week long job is still running. Thanks folks, for cluing me in to how to make this happen. |
| 22:53.44 | jhamlin | themill: thanks |
| 22:53.48 | datacrusher | [cmatheso1]: if i just simply reinstall debian, ill have to create everyuser, set the permisssions, create the samba share from the beggining.. that would take much time |
| 22:54.12 | themill | datacrusher: /usr/{src,local} too |
| 22:54.52 | datacrusher | if i simply get theese folders to a remote drive, would it still got the right permissions? |
| 22:55.28 | urv | Nigromante: i'm not sure - but i don't think so unless you want to "easily" use the newest features (system calls) of your new kernel |
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| 22:56.29 | Nigromante | I see, urv. I read somewhere they were kernel dependant |
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| 22:57.21 | datacrusher | thanks you all people! ill read some about the backing up, but i think reinstalling and getting the /var, /usr, and /root will do the trick |
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| 22:59.30 | urv | Nigromante: yes they are but the kernels are normaly downward compatible. Why would you like to build your custom kernel anyway? |
| 23:00.19 | themill | datacrusher: permissions will be correct if you tell rsync to copy the permissions across (-a or -pgo) and your remote filesystem supports it (e.g. ext3) |
| 23:00.35 | Internat | so im looking at some of the new gigabyte motherboards that have the ATI radeon hd3200 onboard, and i noticed they have HDMI output.. so vid/audio over HDMI.. anyone happen to know what the support is like in etch/lenny for video/audio over hdmi? |
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| 23:02.32 | dondelelcaro | Internat: the output format isn't as important as the soundcard and video card driving it |
| 23:02.49 | Nigromante | urv, I just wanted the info |
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| 23:06.13 | arkara | does anyone know if the bugfix about virtualbox and kernel 2.6 will be implemended on the new debian stable? |
| 23:07.12 | Firefishe | arkara: There is an issue with virtualbox and 2.6? I had not heard that. Where can I get information? |
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| 23:07.33 | arkara | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=497505 |
| 23:07.38 | Firefishe | thanks |
| 23:07.50 | themill | judd, bug 497505 |
| 23:07.51 | judd | themill: Bug #497505 (pending) linux-2.6,virtualbox-ose -- virtualbox-ose doesn't work with linux 2.6.26; Severity: important; Last Modified: 2008-09-10 16:54:06 |
| 23:08.11 | themill | "pending" is a good sign. |
| 23:08.26 | arkara | Found in version virtualbox-ose/1.6.2-dfsg-4 |
| 23:08.28 | arkara | Fixed in version virtualbox-ose/1.6.2-dfsg-6 |
| 23:08.37 | arkara | i see that this is fixed on sid |
| 23:08.43 | themill | judd: versions virtualbox-ose |
| 23:08.43 | judd | themill: virtualbox-ose: 1.6.2-dfsg-1~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 1.6.2-dfsg-4 (lenny) 1.6.2-dfsg-5 (sid) |
| 23:08.49 | datacrusher | is there a brasilian channel for debian? |
| 23:08.52 | themill | stew: judd is already out of date! |
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| 23:10.47 | arkara | why virtualbox is on dfsg-5 on sid?? |
| 23:11.13 | Enderson | datacrusher: #debian-br |
| 23:11.20 | Internat | dondelelcaro: well in that case.. ATI Radeon HD3200 and umm audio.. |
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| 23:11.27 | themill | arkara: the -6 package was only released about 8 hours ago. judd is just a little out of date. |
| 23:11.37 | edistar | hi, why does 'users' show me my username 5 times? |
| 23:11.46 | Firefishe | exit |
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| 23:11.59 | Internat | umm the amd page doesnt reallty seem to mention much about the audio chip |
| 23:12.17 | webPragmatist | can you make rdiff-backup backup certain files first heh... like logs |
| 23:12.22 | Internat | other then # Realtek ALC889A codec | High quality 106dB SNR ALC889A HD audio |
| 23:12.45 | arkara | themill: seriously?? LOL i did not know.. will it be included on the next stable release? |
| 23:12.46 | datacrusher | [Enderson]: aopa! |
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| 23:13.26 | themill | arkara: perhaps. If it's fixing a really serious bug, then most likely. |
| 23:14.12 | dudeman | hi |
| 23:14.29 | dudeman | php framework packaging is a piece of cake |
| 23:14.36 | dudeman | heh no building/compiling required |
| 23:15.05 | arkara | does new versions on packages come to stable after a release? |
| 23:15.10 | dudeman | no |
| 23:15.28 | dudeman | arkara, you can download new versions from backports though |
| 23:15.41 | arkara | dudeman: i know |
| 23:15.42 | dudeman | stable == frozen except for security updates |
| 23:15.58 | dudeman | arkara, then I misunderstood your question |
| 23:16.02 | arkara | dudeman: no additional bug fixes? |
| 23:16.06 | dudeman | yes |
| 23:16.12 | dudeman | security/bug fix updates |
| 23:16.15 | themill | !security backports |
| 23:16.15 | dpkg | Debian incorporates security fixes into the version currently in <stable>. This is non-trivial so it may take a couple days. Backporting security fixes means that you can update the package without problems like changed behaviour that would come with updating to a new version of the software. The upstream version number doesn't change in the Debian package when this is done; check the debian revision changelog. |
| 23:16.41 | themill | arkara: only for security-related bugs or bugs that lead to severe data loss. |
| 23:17.18 | arkara | how many of you in here use the stable branch? |
| 23:17.19 | dudeman | man I'm gonna go file some ITPs |
| 23:17.27 | dudeman | arkara, don't ask that question. |
| 23:17.29 | dudeman | !polls |
| 23:17.29 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 23:17.47 | arkara | sry |
| 23:17.50 | dudeman | its alright |
| 23:17.51 | dudeman | :) |
| 23:17.55 | simNIX | !ask |
| 23:17.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:17.58 | simNIX | :) |
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| 23:18.52 | macrut | Hello |
| 23:19.25 | arkara | some time before, when i was in testing, i had upgrated my vbox but the upgrated modules where not on the repo.. why is that? |
| 23:19.38 | macrut | With Network manager, have you to introduce the phassphase and not the ascii key? |
| 23:20.40 | arkara | if those two packages, where maintained from two devs, why didn't they speak together so that they not break the vbox? |
| 23:20.47 | macrut | anybody? |
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| 23:21.10 | arkara | macrut: what do you mean? |
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| 23:21.48 | arkara | macrut: you give the passphrase of your wireless net work. the same pass that windows clients use |
| 23:21.58 | macrut | xD .Ummm, I mean that network interfaces doesn't run if you introduce an ascii key at Network manager |
| 23:22.08 | macrut | Yes yes |
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| 23:22.29 | macrut | But in my case, it doesn't work if I give the network key |
| 23:23.16 | macrut | can it be possible? |
| 23:23.16 | arkara | macrut: do not use ascii, but the way that the network use such as wpa |
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| 23:23.28 | macrut | i'm talking about wep |
| 23:23.30 | lolufail | hi |
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| 23:24.32 | arkara | macrut: what do you mean when you say that you use ascii key then? |
| 23:24.40 | lolufail | what "filesystem" would you recommend to access a directory on a VM host, from one of his VMs? |
| 23:24.49 | macrut | arkara, I have a bad english |
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| 23:26.05 | macrut | I mean that if you put the WEP key when the Network Manager asked for the interface key, It doesn't run |
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| 23:26.18 | macrut | Well, it doesn't matter |
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| 23:28.11 | mudddd | sighs |
| 23:28.21 | mudddd | got disco'd |
| 23:28.30 | mudddd | can someone slay muddd for me? |
| 23:28.37 | mudddd | ah nm there i go |
| 23:29.38 | muddd | hey macrut where you from? |
| 23:29.49 | Firefishe | How do I eliminate my root password? I just set my normal user up in the sudoers file and I want to go root-password-free. |
| 23:29.52 | macrut | Spain |
| 23:30.10 | macrut | Yes, I know that exists debian-es |
| 23:30.18 | macrut | but nobody have any idea |
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| 23:32.13 | themill | Firefishe: man passwd. Look at the -l option. |
| 23:32.30 | Firefishe | themill: Thanks. |
| 23:33.03 | themill | Firefishe: you might also want to get ready for a rainy day and /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 23:33.24 | Firefishe | themill: Gotcha. |
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| 23:34.12 | Vagas | hello, how can I Install: configure: error: Could not find jpeglib.h |
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| 23:37.24 | karlpinc | Vagas: You start by finding the package name in debian, with "aptitude search foo", then do "apititude install bar". In other words, using the debian package system is preferred. |
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| 23:38.09 | Vagas | I did, nothing found |
| 23:38.18 | adama_ | Vagas: what are you installing? |
| 23:38.51 | karlpinc | Vagas : And on what version of debian? |
| 23:39.25 | Vagas | lenny this http://webcamserver.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:39.52 | themill | dpkg: tell Vagas about apt-file |
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| 23:43.17 | curtmack | Okay so after temporarily breaking my computer, I managed to get it up again. But I need to set this straight: How do I set it so that the computer suspends to (and checks for a suspend image at) sda2, instead of hda5? |
| 23:43.30 | Vagas | karlpinc: ? |
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| 23:47.16 | V4Nelle | guys there is here any problem which make my wlan0 dont work automatically after boot ? http://ww.pastebin.com/d24a4174f |
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| 23:54.38 | dondelelcaro | V4Nelle: nope, that all looks ok. |
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| 23:55.23 | V4Nelle | dondelelcaro, but after boot if i want wlan0 to work...i must to ifdown and ifup |
| 23:55.27 | V4Nelle | do* |
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| 23:57.01 | adama_ | Vagas: webcam-server is available using aptitude |
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