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| 00:05.53 | dondelelcaro | V4Nelle: that may mean that it didn't associate properly with the wireless card; I've noticed that some drivers need a iwconfig wlan0 ap any; or similar in the post; to work |
| 00:06.47 | V4Nelle | but if i do ifdown wlan0 and ifupwlan0 it works,without something else..... |
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| 00:07.03 | dondelelcaro | V4Nelle: yes, which causes it to reassociate with the ap |
| 00:07.45 | V4Nelle | ok i will look tx..th |
| 00:07.53 | V4Nelle | it thx* |
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| 00:08.21 | dondelelcaro | V4Nelle: it'll be really obvious if after the initial boot you notice that the interface is configured, but isn't associated with the ap |
| 00:08.59 | deadcat | what do i do after installing iceweasel-greasemonkey? how to i install a user script? |
| 00:10.42 | dudeman | deadcat, just go to userscripts.org |
| 00:10.47 | dudeman | find a script you like |
| 00:10.59 | dudeman | click install button and it will be like a firefox extention install box |
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| 00:11.11 | dudeman | it will wait a few secs and then install the script and then you just reload the page |
| 00:11.34 | dudeman | (beware that running so many diff scripts on top of each other while also having the websites javascripting on can seriously lag your browser) |
| 00:11.36 | deadcat | i am having nfsv4 problem. please help out, i used to have /home (with users) shared on the server, and client mounted that on /mnt/medusa/home, i used to be able to cd /mnt/medusa/home/deadcat and ls. but no i get perm denied. the perm on the dir looks good to me. i dont know what option was added to v4 and what i need to do |
| 00:11.54 | dudeman | and icewease/firefox is known to be slow on linux especially, plus greasemonkey == kinda laggy browsing. |
| 00:12.00 | deadcat | dudeman: thanks |
| 00:13.01 | dudeman | deadcat, what did you change? |
| 00:13.17 | deadcat | dudeman: nothing.. want me to post the config files? on server and client? |
| 00:13.18 | dudeman | did you modify your exports? did you change the perms on the mountpoint? |
| 00:13.24 | datacrusher | folks, iv managed a backup script, is there a way to dump what its going on? like echo or something, for me to see the files beeing copied |
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| 00:13.36 | dudeman | deadcat, please do |
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| 00:13.39 | deadcat | dudeman: mount points are same. i did change the exports a little.. |
| 00:13.55 | dudeman | deadcat, restore from a backup copy and try again |
| 00:14.00 | dudeman | if it works you know the problem |
| 00:14.07 | adama_ | datacrusher: sure, just add echo statments to the script |
| 00:14.22 | deadcat | dudeman: the option was just sub tree check |
| 00:14.28 | datacrusher | [adama_]: i remember on dos i did "@echo on" |
| 00:14.31 | dudeman | that shouldn't have an affect? |
| 00:14.35 | datacrusher | how is it on linux? |
| 00:14.36 | dudeman | minus ? |
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| 00:14.58 | dudeman | datacrusher, nothing |
| 00:14.59 | adama_ | datacrusher: you want to echo each command it executes? |
| 00:15.13 | dudeman | datacrusher, echo `command argumnents` |
| 00:15.21 | dudeman | result will be echo'd |
| 00:15.22 | datacrusher | well, i runned it just now, it dumps nothing, but the backups really works |
| 00:15.23 | basix | why oh why doesn't sid have the compat wireless old package? |
| 00:15.33 | adama_ | datacrusher: you'd have to put "echo 'cp blah target'; cp blah target" - that kind of thing |
| 00:15.38 | datacrusher | hm |
| 00:15.41 | datacrusher | thansk! |
| 00:15.42 | deadcat | dudeman: http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/nfsv4 |
| 00:16.00 | adama_ | datacrusher: someone here may know a way to do it how you want though |
| 00:16.10 | adama_ | without doubling your script size |
| 00:16.18 | deadcat | dudeman: the anonuid= is kinna working but not for /home, |
| 00:17.25 | dudeman | looks ok to me |
| 00:17.31 | dudeman | I can't see a problem |
| 00:18.33 | dudeman | you sure you didn't modify the perms anywhere? |
| 00:18.34 | deadcat | dudeman: right. but when i ls /mnt/medusa/home/deadcat i get perm denied.. same if i do taht with root.. |
| 00:18.38 | deadcat | dudeman: nope |
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| 00:18.47 | dudeman | so you're not sure? |
| 00:18.54 | dudeman | or you didn't modify anything? |
| 00:18.55 | deadcat | i am sure i didnt modified any perm |
| 00:18.59 | dudeman | ok |
| 00:19.22 | dudeman | modify it back to the way it was and try again... |
| 00:19.33 | dudeman | if it works, then your changes were the problem |
| 00:19.37 | deadcat | dudeman: it was working before my power went out. the machine was up 52 days so i guess something udpated during that period that i am not sure of |
| 00:19.39 | dudeman | if it fails, then this is not the proble, and its something else |
| 00:19.54 | dudeman | deadcat, journldal file syste? |
| 00:20.00 | dudeman | journaled? i can't spell |
| 00:20.00 | deadcat | dudeman: ext3 |
| 00:20.04 | dudeman | ahh |
| 00:21.44 | deadcat | dudeman: i just dont understand the options anonuid that seems to be new to v4 |
| 00:22.07 | deadcat | basically i just want /home's user have perm on client machines. for nfsv4 |
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| 00:25.46 | unop | would anyone know how to troubleshoot this python error? ImportError: No module named utils . complete trace here - http://pastebin.com/d1c823e55 |
| 00:26.45 | dudeman | deadcat, back |
| 00:26.54 | dudeman | deadcat, you've no doubt consulted man exports? |
| 00:27.16 | dudeman | deadcat, I'm sure anonuid is explained there... |
| 00:27.54 | deadcat | dudeman: i did. i just dont get it. |
| 00:28.02 | dudeman | ok what don't you get? |
| 00:28.12 | deadcat | dudeman: it has example for /home/joe, but i want /home, not just /home/joe |
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| 00:29.29 | dudeman | so export /home with anonuid=1000 or whatver your uid is |
| 00:29.59 | deadcat | dudeman: but then joe wont be able to access his file . or other users in /home |
| 00:30.00 | unop | darknerd, sorry, your pm was blocked - what were you saying? |
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| 00:30.30 | deadcat | dudeman: basically i have like deadcat joe john kate debra, i want all of them have access to their /mnt/medusa/home/ |
| 00:30.38 | apolloliftoff | I'm trying to start up apache2 on debian etch, but nothing happens and I get no errors |
| 00:30.42 | unop | darknerd, i don't take pms |
| 00:30.43 | apolloliftoff | this is baffling me |
| 00:32.07 | darknerd | unop hey U dont have the module utils in package xml or U don't have package instaled xml |
| 00:32.57 | unop | darknerd, right, that's obvious - but what debian package do I need to get xml.utils ? |
| 00:33.02 | deadcat | dudeman: i think the problem is the anonuid= /home 10.10.32.69(ro,wdelay,no_root_squash,anonuid=65534,anongid=65534) |
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| 00:33.27 | darknerd | wait a moment |
| 00:34.03 | themill | apolloliftoff: what do you see in the output of: netstat -pant | grep :80 |
| 00:34.21 | midoi | i'm running debian sid on my nslu2 and i would like to know what i would need to get spanish character support for my usb drive using ntfs-3g |
| 00:35.17 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: any clue on the nfsv4 stuff? |
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| 00:37.32 | dudeman | deadcat, 65534? |
| 00:37.35 | dudeman | wtf |
| 00:37.53 | dudeman | unop, hi dude! :) |
| 00:38.07 | deadcat | dudeman: i think the man page say thats like the number it uses. |
| 00:38.08 | unop | hey dudeman |
| 00:38.18 | dudeman | no man |
| 00:38.19 | deadcat | dudeman: if you dont specify |
| 00:38.41 | dudeman | look at the userid mapping section agaon |
| 00:38.52 | deadcat | looking |
| 00:39.09 | dudeman | /home/joe pc001(rw,all_squash,anonuid=150,anongid=100) |
| 00:39.17 | dudeman | ./home/joe pc001(rw,all_squash,anonuid=150,anongid=100) |
| 00:39.23 | darknerd | unop try install python-4suite-xml, python-lxml, python-libxml2 and python-xml |
| 00:39.25 | dudeman | so uhm what is 65535? |
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| 00:39.30 | dudeman | or 4 |
| 00:39.40 | dudeman | where did that # come from? |
| 00:39.51 | dudeman | As an example, consider the export entry for /home/joe in the example section below, which maps all requests to uid 150 (which is supposedly that of user joe). |
| 00:39.54 | deadcat | dudeman: i dont know.. thats when i run showmount -e and not specifying anonuid and anongid in exports |
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| 00:40.45 | deadcat | dudeman: that number is when i run exportfs -v |
| 00:40.59 | darknerd | this must solve all your problems |
| 00:41.00 | dudeman | oh |
| 00:41.02 | darknerd | unop try install python-4suite-xml, python-lxml, python-libxml2 and python-xml |
| 00:41.04 | darknerd | this must solve all your problems |
| 00:41.06 | dudeman | I see |
| 00:41.07 | muddd | the answer is 42 |
| 00:41.09 | dudeman | nm |
| 00:41.11 | dudeman | brainfart!! |
| 00:41.13 | Kovensky | muddd: lol |
| 00:41.18 | muddd | :P |
| 00:41.21 | zinx | muddd: but what is the question? |
| 00:41.41 | deadcat | dudeman: that number belongs to nogroup:x:65534: in /etc/group |
| 00:41.41 | dudeman | so |
| 00:41.46 | dudeman | user joe exists on server for oexample |
| 00:41.50 | muddd | what is the meaning of it all? memory not too good at the moment, but thanks for the fish |
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| 00:41.56 | dudeman | you are exporting /home but not /home/joe |
| 00:42.06 | dudeman | and you want each user conencting to /home to have his own perms? |
| 00:42.06 | deadcat | dudeman: right |
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| 00:42.13 | dudeman | over his own /home dir? |
| 00:42.16 | muddd | i had a theory that 42 as an integer would be 42.0 a.k.a. toke time |
| 00:42.19 | dudeman | er.. |
| 00:42.21 | dudeman | no wait i dont' get it |
| 00:42.25 | deadcat | dudeman: yes.. only his/her own home dir |
| 00:42.43 | deadcat | dudeman: so joe can see /mnt/medusa/home/joe but not /mnt/medusa/home/kate |
| 00:42.53 | dudeman | deadcat, that doesn't seem possible to me (mostly because I don't know enough) |
| 00:42.54 | dudeman | :) |
| 00:43.07 | deadcat | oh. |
| 00:43.24 | unop | darknerd, stop pm-img me dude |
| 00:43.31 | dudeman | you'd have to manually specify multiple exports with multiple uid/guid |
| 00:43.34 | deadcat | dudeman: both machines server and client have the same uid for users in /etc/passwd |
| 00:43.41 | darknerd | unop oks |
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| 00:43.49 | dudeman | you can't have a universal export like /home and have each client mount to that with what perms/ |
| 00:43.52 | dudeman | think about it |
| 00:44.10 | dudeman | (to me it makes no sense, then again I'm kinda newb) |
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| 00:44.25 | deadcat | cant believe nfsv4 is driving me crazy. |
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| 00:45.12 | dudeman | deadcat, may I suggest something else? |
| 00:45.23 | deadcat | dudeman: like what? |
| 00:45.29 | dudeman | cifs? |
| 00:45.33 | dudeman | :D |
| 00:45.35 | dudeman | j/k |
| 00:45.44 | deadcat | nah. |
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| 00:46.26 | dudeman | ok |
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| 00:47.23 | deadcat | fuck it for now... |
| 00:47.26 | dudeman | you export /home, and you want user joe to only have access to the export /home/joe and user lady to have only access to /home/lady but you are only exporting /home ... which |
| 00:47.29 | dudeman | nm fuck it :) |
| 00:47.43 | muddd | dnr! |
| 00:47.47 | dudeman | im sure it will come to you, relax for a bit |
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| 00:48.05 | dudeman | pours deadcat a pag of Johnnie Walker Red Label + Coke + icecubes |
| 00:48.08 | dudeman | =D enjoy |
| 00:48.57 | muddd | hmm.... alcohol sounds good right now... |
| 00:49.06 | dudeman | actually I ran out of coke |
| 00:49.12 | dudeman | so its just on the rocks for right now |
| 00:49.13 | dudeman | :( |
| 00:49.18 | muddd | paging mr. beam, mr. jim beam please come to the front desk |
| 00:50.11 | dudeman | deadcat, the only solution I can think of |
| 00:50.19 | dudeman | deadcat, export /home/joe with uid/guid for joe |
| 00:50.28 | dudeman | deadcat, export /home/dude with uid/guid for dude |
| 00:50.32 | dudeman | etc. etc. |
| 00:50.49 | dudeman | in the client machines only mount individual mounts for that user |
| 00:50.54 | dudeman | unless its ONE machine with multiple users |
| 00:51.22 | dudeman | in which case you can mount all the exports but obviously it will be mapped to the uid/gid of that user |
| 00:51.45 | dudeman | so even if you have all the exports mounted joe won't be able to access dude |
| 00:52.06 | dudeman | I really don't think its possible with just a universal mount on /home and only /home |
| 00:52.10 | dudeman | it doesn't make sense. |
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| 00:53.47 | dudeman | for example if joe is 1000 and dude is 1001 and you export /home/joe with uid/gid of 1000 and /home/dude with 1001, just on the clinet machine mount /home/dude /mnt/home/dude -o uid=1001,gid=1001 |
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| 00:54.05 | dudeman | (since you said the uid/gid on /etc/passwd of both machines match) |
| 00:54.46 | dudeman | so joe will not be able to access /mnt/medusa/home/dude |
| 00:54.59 | dudeman | he willl only be access to /mnt/medusa/home/joe |
| 00:55.01 | dudeman | get it? |
| 00:55.10 | muddd | is he still with you? |
| 00:55.14 | dudeman | deadcat, ping |
| 00:55.22 | shyam_k | Have a Basic Doubt, Will the latest release of etch have the same level of hardware support as Lenny?or the frozen lenny is having more hardware support than the stable? |
| 00:55.45 | dudeman | shyam_k, sit down for a minute |
| 00:55.48 | dudeman | take a deep breath |
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| 00:55.57 | dudeman | you will answer your own question in about 10 seconds. |
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| 00:56.35 | shyam_k | dudeman: i have been guessing for a good period of time, now i just wanted to know from you people:) |
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| 00:57.06 | dudeman | then frozen lenny is having more hardware support |
| 00:57.09 | dudeman | enjoy |
| 00:57.29 | dudeman | shyam_k, you are familiar with etch and a half? |
| 00:58.02 | dudeman | !etchnhalf |
| 00:58.02 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf, or <etchnhalf facts> |
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| 00:59.45 | mewshi | Hey, guys. Is there a way I can forward sound over a network? |
| 00:59.49 | muddd | is there a list of commands somewhere I can read that dpkg will listen to? |
| 01:00.05 | dudeman | muddd, sure |
| 01:00.08 | dudeman | !infobot |
| 01:00.08 | dpkg | Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sourceforge.net/ for more. NOTE: Blootbot (fork of infobot) has now replace infobot. Old infobot archives can be found in svn under /infobot-old. |
| 01:00.15 | muddd | mewshi, i've wondered the same... lemme know when you find out :) |
| 01:00.22 | muddd | ty dudeman |
| 01:00.26 | dudeman | sure |
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| 01:00.36 | dudeman | !dudeman++ ? |
| 01:00.37 | dudeman | ;) |
| 01:00.46 | muddd | somoeone in here would know mewshi i'm sure of it |
| 01:00.49 | tehboriz | hello everyone, for a server install of debian how much space will it take up on the hard disk? |
| 01:00.54 | dudeman | mewshi, sure |
| 01:01.02 | dudeman | mewshi, easy enough to implement |
| 01:01.25 | dudeman | mewshi, may I ask what you're trying to do, what do you want to forward? |
| 01:01.38 | apolloliftoff | themill: it doesn't look like anything else is listening on port 80 |
| 01:01.53 | dudeman | mewshi, esd can take any output of any application (basically /dev/dsp) and serve it up on the network |
| 01:02.01 | dudeman | there is pulseaudio |
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| 01:02.02 | muddd | tehboriz, i've had mine at just over 400 mb |
| 01:02.09 | muddd | depends on what yer trying to do really |
| 01:02.09 | tehboriz | okay cool muddd |
| 01:02.19 | dudeman | !mmhr |
| 01:02.19 | dpkg | i guess mmhr is Meeting Minimum Hardware Requirments per Debian 4.0 i386 install guide <ig> at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 01:02.22 | tehboriz | i'm looking for a easy to use server distro of linux. Here's what i need: ftp, apache(with php), VNC, and java support. so far ubuntu server hasn't worked out for me because the installation says my CD cannot be mounted. |
| 01:02.24 | dudeman | tehboriz, ^^ |
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| 01:02.46 | tehboriz | oh i'm bad at linux |
| 01:02.50 | mewshi | dudeman, I want to take the sound output from ZSNES and forward it to my laptop |
| 01:02.54 | dudeman | tehboriz, you're looking at about 350-400mb |
| 01:03.09 | tehboriz | okay awesome |
| 01:03.10 | dudeman | mewshi, zsnes uses /dev/dsp which can be forwarded I think |
| 01:03.15 | muddd | yeah i had nfs samba apache sshd and bittorrent on mine |
| 01:03.29 | muddd | oh vsftpd |
| 01:03.33 | mewshi | dudeman, how would I set that up? |
| 01:03.39 | jpinx | tehboriz: there ya go ;) |
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| 01:03.53 | dudeman | too many people |
| 01:03.56 | tehboriz | lol thanks jpinx |
| 01:03.56 | dudeman | ... |
| 01:03.57 | dudeman | hang on |
| 01:04.13 | dudeman | mewshi, hang on |
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| 01:04.43 | dudeman | mewshi, how are you starting zsnes |
| 01:04.56 | dudeman | mewshi, you ssh -X to server and launch znes and want sound? |
| 01:05.06 | dudeman | mewshi, are you using xdmcp and want sound/ |
| 01:05.14 | dudeman | mewshi, do you want to tunnel sound through ssh or not? |
| 01:06.00 | dudeman | mewshi, also, does znses for sure support esd? or a networked audio server? |
| 01:06.16 | dudeman | or does it directly take over the entire /dev/dsp like fucking hydrogen does |
| 01:06.38 | simonrvn | *cough* pulseudio *cough* |
| 01:06.43 | dudeman | simonrvn, heh |
| 01:06.46 | simonrvn | pulseaudio even |
| 01:06.51 | mewshi | no, i want to output it to my tv, and I have only my laptop for sound output atm |
| 01:07.01 | dudeman | ok |
| 01:07.03 | dudeman | so simple |
| 01:07.14 | dudeman | install esd on laptop and esd -tcp -d /dev/dsp |
| 01:07.16 | dudeman | etc. |
| 01:07.27 | dudeman | and on client, TV, when you ssh to your box |
| 01:07.36 | dudeman | just if the app supports it |
| 01:07.46 | dudeman | you set the env var for the autio server |
| 01:08.36 | mewshi | what? O.o |
| 01:08.46 | mewshi | No, I don't ssh into the box o.o' |
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| 01:09.08 | dudeman | sips his alcohol |
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| 01:10.15 | mewshi | I can, but that's not how I intend to play games |
| 01:10.21 | mewshi | this is gonna be like an appliance for zsnes |
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| 01:12.38 | dudeman | mewshi, where is znes running? |
| 01:12.46 | dudeman | laptop -- pc 1 |
| 01:12.49 | Saar | i know its unsafe but is there a way to retrieve a user password and accountname which was provided to d-i as kernel arguments for a preseed install? |
| 01:12.54 | dudeman | tv with a desktop hooked up == pc 2 |
| 01:12.55 | dudeman | ? |
| 01:13.05 | Saar | in order to use it in post install commands for example |
| 01:13.24 | Saar | maybe its stored in some variable |
| 01:13.46 | mewshi | it's running on a little server i have |
| 01:13.52 | mewshi | 500mhz is enough for zsnes :3 |
| 01:14.00 | drazak | Saar: you could reset the password, if you have no other way |
| 01:14.08 | mewshi | what's the command to install esd? |
| 01:14.12 | mewshi | apt-get install what? |
| 01:14.17 | drunk | esound |
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| 01:14.19 | drazak | Saar: you could boot into SU mode and reset it, or you could use root, unless you don't have that password |
| 01:14.20 | basix | hi. someone please help me out with this stupid wifi card: intel 5100AGN wifi adapter. I'm not able to find the firmware for it! Its not on intel's website either. |
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| 01:15.36 | simonrvn | !ifrp |
| 01:15.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ifrp is 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' ... |
| 01:15.45 | simonrvn | Saar: ^^^ might help |
| 01:15.56 | drunk | ok |
| 01:16.08 | drunk | <-- like you have no idea |
| 01:16.33 | drunk | !hcl |
| 01:16.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 01:16.42 | linkmaster03 | why did the up and down arrow keys stop working on my ttys all of a sudden? they wont respond and show command history or anything. but the keys work fine in X |
| 01:16.42 | smacnay | I am trying to do a network backup of my files using rdiff-backup but the version on my machine and that of the host are different versions - so it down't work. |
| 01:16.49 | drunk | basix, go to http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ <-- and follow instructions |
| 01:16.59 | drunk | see which driver |
| 01:17.06 | smacnay | Are there other backup utils that can work over a network that will do incremental backups? |
| 01:17.20 | drunk | rsync? |
| 01:17.22 | mewshi | dudeman, once i get esd installed on both machines, what do I need to do? |
| 01:17.30 | drunk | mewshi, not both machines |
| 01:17.43 | drunk | mewshi, google for stuff man |
| 01:17.47 | drunk | I'm kinda slowly getting drunk |
| 01:18.12 | mewshi | well, I was just asking... :\ |
| 01:18.13 | drunk | mewshi, actually cancel that esd |
| 01:18.15 | drunk | remove it |
| 01:18.19 | basix | drunk: 80864237-Intel Corporationno information |
| 01:18.25 | drunk | esd I remember now will give you really shitty choppy sound over th enet |
| 01:18.26 | drunk | it lags a lot |
| 01:18.28 | mewshi | cancel what esd? o.o' |
| 01:18.34 | drunk | mewshi, try pulseaudio |
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| 01:18.40 | mewshi | thanks -_- |
| 01:19.18 | mewshi | one which one? Both? |
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| 01:19.24 | drunk | just pulse |
| 01:19.41 | drunk | on the client you do not need anything except to tell your env where your audio server is |
| 01:19.41 | mewshi | On which computer, I mean. |
| 01:20.01 | drunk | i think esd is AUDIOSERVER=192.168.1.x:port |
| 01:20.02 | drunk | I think |
| 01:20.08 | drunk | I can't remember! |
| 01:20.19 | mewshi | anders_, on pulse? |
| 01:20.29 | drunk | read the docs dude |
| 01:20.32 | mewshi | anders_, on pulse... |
| 01:20.39 | mewshi | anders_, on pulse >.> |
| 01:20.42 | drunk | http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup |
| 01:20.44 | mewshi | WHAT THE FRICK |
| 01:20.46 | muddd | dudeman is drunk now eh? mr beam is sitting right next to me |
| 01:20.50 | mewshi | and why is it acting like this? |
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| 01:21.20 | muddd | uh oh ladies watch out luvrrboy is here |
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| 01:22.39 | drunk | mewshi, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 |
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| 01:24.24 | drunk | 09:14 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Nick drunk is now registered to your account. |
| 01:24.27 | drunk | sweet |
| 01:25.09 | linkmaster03 | anyone? |
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| 01:25.37 | drunk | !console-data |
| 01:25.39 | drunk | nm |
| 01:25.51 | drunk | linkmaster03, no idea.. maybe linked to dpkg-reconfigure console-data? |
| 01:25.55 | mewshi | Why is this so damn difficult? -_- |
| 01:25.57 | drunk | no idea.. im a newb! |
| 01:26.03 | drunk | mewshi, becasue you don't understnad it |
| 01:26.22 | drunk | mewshi, you're trying to have it work before you spend time on how to use it and set it up |
| 01:26.27 | drunk | read. |
| 01:27.17 | mewshi | Well, I just want it work, and that doesn't say a damn thing about using it over the network! |
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| 01:27.35 | Taime1 | does debian run on the new atom processor? |
| 01:27.36 | drunk | you know its a network audio server right |
| 01:27.45 | drunk | once you have it hooked up you can connect to it from anywhere |
| 01:27.57 | drunk | just on the clien tyou have to specify where the server is located |
| 01:27.58 | ehtom | atom is still x86 iirc? |
| 01:28.10 | ehtom | i'm not aware that atom is a different processor architecture |
| 01:28.18 | drunk | !atom |
| 01:28.26 | drunk | dpkg, hi |
| 01:28.26 | dpkg | hi |
| 01:28.28 | muddd | or not |
| 01:28.51 | Taime1 | haha |
| 01:29.06 | mewshi | How do I specify what server to use? |
| 01:29.10 | drunk | man i got half hour before sound curfew kicks in |
| 01:29.14 | drunk | i can't spell |
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| 01:29.51 | drunk | like export AUDIOSERVER=ip.of.server.machine:port |
| 01:29.56 | drunk | i think... |
| 01:30.03 | drunk | I'm no sure to be honest with ya |
| 01:30.44 | drunk | before I was drunk |
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| 01:30.55 | stoned | <-- I was this |
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| 01:31.06 | drunk | I don't really remember much... |
| 01:31.17 | muddd | aw |
| 01:31.21 | muddd | i wanna be stoned |
| 01:31.28 | muddd | on my debian system... |
| 01:31.34 | muddd | to keep it on topic |
| 01:32.35 | drunk | i have to do laundry |
| 01:32.38 | drunk | bye bye |
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| 01:34.30 | muddd | adios |
| 01:34.33 | muddd | hi dpkg |
| 01:34.42 | muddd | dpkg, hi |
| 01:34.42 | dpkg | que tal |
| 01:34.43 | docta_v | anyone tried building a newer e1000 on a somewhat older kernel? (2.6.16) |
| 01:34.47 | muddd | que tal eh? |
| 01:34.51 | docta_v | supposedly it's possible but i'm running into a lot of issues with missing header files and undefined symbols |
| 01:34.55 | Kovensky | dpkg: you speak portuguese? lol |
| 01:34.55 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 01:35.02 | muddd | Oooo |
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| 01:38.47 | drunk | laundromat is half a block away |
| 01:38.50 | drunk | should I walk or drive |
| 01:38.51 | drunk | :( |
| 01:39.00 | drunk | I think i'll drive |
| 01:39.06 | drunk | ok bye |
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| 01:40.53 | stew | drunk: wrong channel |
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| 01:41.37 | devhell | can somebody recommend a rss reader that sticks transparently to the desktop backround? |
| 01:41.44 | torrush | is there a wheel group? |
| 01:41.56 | stew | torrush: not by default, /msg dpkg wheel |
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| 01:42.03 | mewshi | how do I make it start zsnes at boot? |
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| 01:52.00 | enouf | where did you catch that disease from? |
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| 01:53.56 | linkmaster03 | why did the up and down arrow keys stop working on my ttys all of a sudden? they wont respond and show command history or anything. but the keys work fine in X |
| 01:54.35 | enouf | linkmaster03: try hitting Insert |
| 01:56.42 | basix | has anybody gotten intel 5100 wifi link working on kernel 2.6.26? |
| 01:56.54 | enouf | linkmaster03: i had the same issue, for some odd 'yet to be determined' reason - might be related to the 3vil nvidia blob? (+ .26.x kernel?) - dunno |
| 01:57.15 | enouf | but hitting the insert key works for me |
| 01:57.52 | enouf | don't even get me started on the Numlock .. nor the right ALT or CTRL keys not working as expected |
| 01:58.01 | linkmaster03 | thanks insert key works |
| 01:58.11 | linkmaster03 | i love you, kiss you, etc |
| 01:58.28 | enouf | linkmaster03: uname -r says please? |
| 01:58.56 | linkmaster03 | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 01:58.58 | enouf | linkmaster03: are you using the nvidia binary blob? fglrx? |
| 01:58.59 | linkmaster03 | :P |
| 01:59.03 | linkmaster03 | um |
| 01:59.15 | linkmaster03 | yes i think |
| 01:59.19 | enouf | linkmaster03: i'm just trying to see what we have in common |
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| 01:59.43 | enouf | linkmaster03: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep nvidia |
| 02:00.04 | linkmaster03 | cause i had to fix some nvidia crap on lenny upgrade and fglrx sounds farmiliar |
| 02:00.08 | linkmaster03 | k one sec |
| 02:00.27 | enouf | fglrx is ati's/amd's binary blob |
| 02:00.33 | linkmaster03 | returns nothing |
| 02:01.00 | enouf | linkmaster03: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log | egrep 'nvidia|vesa|ati|fglrx' |
| 02:01.10 | enouf | erm, add nv to that :-P |
| 02:01.14 | enouf | linkmaster03: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log | egrep 'nvidia|vesa|ati|fglrx|nv' |
| 02:01.19 | linkmaster03 | lol ok |
| 02:01.36 | enouf | 'nv' == Xorg 2D nvidia driver |
| 02:01.53 | muddd | lol |
| 02:01.54 | linkmaster03 | bash: linkmaster03:: command not found |
| 02:01.59 | basix | if i'm compiling my own kernel, do i need to apply patches which debian applies? btw does debian apply any patches? |
| 02:02.00 | linkmaster03 | just kidding :P |
| 02:02.08 | linkmaster03 | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nv_drv.so |
| 02:02.15 | linkmaster03 | is what it returns |
| 02:02.25 | muddd | when i disappear from here, my house has exploded, ping me |
| 02:02.30 | enouf | linkmaster03: ok then - it's not related to nvidia blob then - thanks |
| 02:02.30 | linkmaster03 | k |
| 02:02.37 | linkmaster03 | ty enouf |
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| 02:02.50 | enouf | linkmaster03: this is how you tshoot - process of elimination ;-) you're welcome ;-) |
| 02:02.56 | linkmaster03 | reminds me |
| 02:03.31 | linkmaster03 | they need to make one of those valentines hearts with 'fax me, and stuff, but 'ping me' |
| 02:05.13 | enouf | !insert |
| 02:05.13 | dpkg | hmm... insert is Question; "why did the up and down arrow keys stop working on my ttys all of a sudden? they wont respond and show command history or anything. but the keys work fine in X" -- Answer is--> hit the Insert key to clear it up - seems to affect 2.6.26-1-686 Debian kernels |
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| 02:20.47 | quik__ | can you set a /boot partition to be raid and ext3? |
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| 02:21.22 | drunk | why? |
| 02:21.35 | drunk | can grub deal with raid? or does /boot need to be non-raid |
| 02:21.37 | pickcoder | quik__: you can, but it can cause hair loss when things don't work |
| 02:21.39 | drunk | I think non-raid |
| 02:21.57 | pickcoder | I don't even trust softRAID personally |
| 02:21.58 | drunk | enouf, whats kickin |
| 02:22.08 | pickcoder | (though people here swear by it over hardware... ) :) |
| 02:22.18 | drunk | over? |
| 02:22.23 | drunk | those are crazy people |
| 02:22.30 | drunk | its ok |
| 02:22.34 | pickcoder | it's free... |
| 02:22.36 | drunk | sw raid is like a cheapman's raid |
| 02:22.37 | pickcoder | heh |
| 02:22.39 | drunk | exactly |
| 02:23.03 | pickcoder | I will say it's probably more stable than the 8000 series from 3ware/adaptec |
| 02:23.12 | drunk | hmm |
| 02:23.13 | quik__ | pickcoder: so if I have two drives, with a raid0 setup for /, I can leave each drive with its own swap partition? |
| 02:23.19 | enouf | drunk: nad mucho - making some food after the vodka party - let's take this to your place though - and STOP fucken tying so fast and hitting enter - or i'll tase you with my new cane attachment |
| 02:23.31 | pickcoder | quik__: if you have 2.6 you don't even need a partition for swap.. you can use FS files |
| 02:23.31 | enouf | s/nad/nada |
| 02:23.38 | drunk | lol |
| 02:23.48 | drunk | ok sorry! |
| 02:24.17 | pickcoder | if the FS is relatively new and the blocks are pretty contiguous you'll probably get as-good-as or better swapping performance |
| 02:24.37 | drunk | pickcoder, wouldn't that slow swap down even more |
| 02:24.40 | drunk | going through an FS layer? |
| 02:24.45 | drunk | or how does 2.6 handle that diff. |
| 02:24.54 | pickcoder | not according to the posts I read on the kernel list |
| 02:24.55 | drunk | you mean to say a swap file vs a swap pa tition right? |
| 02:25.01 | pickcoder | yes |
| 02:25.04 | pickcoder | it doesn't go through buffering |
| 02:25.05 | enouf | quik__: man mkswap - seekout round robin info |
| 02:25.09 | drunk | oh it doesn't? |
| 02:25.14 | drunk | hm |
| 02:25.38 | enouf | quik__: hitting swap stinks though - personally, i've set mine to 10 (out of 100) |
| 02:25.51 | drunk | 4gb ram, kde desktop |
| 02:25.54 | drunk | never once hit swap |
| 02:25.55 | drunk | :) |
| 02:26.08 | drunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.16 | drunk | i had a power outage |
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| 02:26.27 | enouf | $ cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
| 02:26.27 | enouf | 10 |
| 02:26.46 | pickcoder | drunk: http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/6/28/427 |
| 02:26.54 | drunk | this girl that works at the laundromat is hot |
| 02:27.02 | drunk | I'm gonna go put my clothes in the dryer and hit on her a bit |
| 02:27.03 | drunk | bye bye |
| 02:27.10 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 02:27.11 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@unaffiliated/dudeman] by stew |
| 02:27.11 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 02:27.11 | enouf | echo "vm.swappiness = 10" >> /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 02:27.36 | stew | drunk: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. this is the place to talk about doing your laundry or your plans to go drunk driving |
| 02:27.45 | basix | Intel wifi 5100 anybody? Is there nobody in the world using this adapter? :( |
| 02:27.56 | pickcoder | stew: this is? |
| 02:27.59 | pickcoder | heh |
| 02:28.05 | stew | this is not* |
| 02:28.05 | amphi | basix: not if there's no driver ;) |
| 02:28.07 | stew | sorry |
| 02:28.09 | enouf | +n't |
| 02:28.15 | stew | basix: have you checked http://intellinuxwireless.org/ ? |
| 02:28.15 | zinx | pickcoder: it is when you're silenced! |
| 02:28.36 | pickcoder | zinx: well.. not everyone picks up on implied negation... |
| 02:28.40 | basix | amphi, hmm |
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| 02:29.22 | enouf | basix: checked the kernel source? how about kernelnewbies.org site for new/recent additions? |
| 02:29.40 | basix | stew, yes i've checked it out. i've tried compiling compat-wireless-old meant for the 2.6.26 kernels. It worked for a while. When I compiled the latest version of compat-wireless-old, it gave me errors while inserting the iwl4965 module. |
| 02:29.48 | enouf | how about the typical ipw3950.sf.net sites? |
| 02:29.56 | shyam_k | drunk: thanks for etch and half.. still the problem is as the lenny is not released,and as i dont know which weekly build would be a good one to use,I am in good confusion what to do.. cant choose ubuntu for various reasons so for SFD we are in confusion what distro we should tell people to use.. |
| 02:30.37 | basix | enouf, i have the option of compiling a .27 kernel myself but i really dont want to go that way. my current kernel supports everything out of the box except the wireless |
| 02:30.49 | enouf | shyam_k: drunk is silenced for a few more minutes in the channel but can always priv msg you |
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| 02:31.08 | basix | stew, i get errors like: iwl4965: Unknown symbol ieee80211_free_hw |
| 02:31.08 | shyam_k | ohk:) have to leave now .. thanks for the help people.. |
| 02:31.10 | enouf | basix: current? |
| 02:31.23 | basix | enouf, the latest sid kernel |
| 02:31.38 | enouf | basix: which is? |
| 02:31.44 | enouf | uname -r |
| 02:31.57 | basix | enouf, 2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 02:32.12 | enouf | same here basix |
| 02:32.49 | enouf | basix: can you show us output of lspci -nn for the device? or |
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| 02:33.07 | amphi | basix: iwl4965 is supposed to support that card? |
| 02:33.45 | basix | amphi, yes for the time being the "older" kernels ( < .27 ) are supposed to support this card via the compat wireless old package or such thing |
| 02:33.59 | basix | enouf, hang on |
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| 02:35.11 | basix | enouf, 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:4237] |
| 02:35.16 | amphi | basix: ah - you're using the mac80211 module from compat-wireless also? |
| 02:35.39 | amphi | basix: try update-pciids and run lspci again |
| 02:35.52 | enouf | basix: not too good |
| 02:36.00 | basix | amphi, i'm not sure. i just ran make, make install, make unload and then tried modprobe ipw4965. i too think thats the issue ( 80211 being the older version ) |
| 02:36.03 | enouf | basix: i get nothing returned from ; ~$ grep '8086\ .*4237' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
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| 02:37.17 | basix | amphi, same thing. no change in lspci's output |
| 02:37.23 | enouf | basix: "yes for the time being the "older" kernels ( < .27 ) are supposed to support this card via the compat wireless old package or such thing" <-- according to whom? |
| 02:37.27 | skor | is there a list of what "Standard System" includes during install ? |
| 02:37.57 | amphi | basix: I used compat-wireless a while back for my 4965, and it installed its own mac80211 AFAIR |
| 02:38.00 | enouf | skor: well - task |
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| 02:38.09 | enouf | wtf id the name of it? |
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| 02:38.34 | enouf | tasksel --list-packages standard ? |
| 02:38.44 | basix | amphi, well its not doing that for me. i dont know why.. :( |
| 02:39.10 | enouf | tasksel --task-packages standard ? |
| 02:39.14 | amphi | basix: are you sure? if so, perhaps you need to build and install an out-of-tree mac80211 also |
| 02:39.26 | basix | enouf, according to http://intellinuxwireless.org/ |
| 02:39.39 | enouf | right |
| 02:39.40 | enouf | ~$ tasksel --task-packages standard | xargs |
| 02:39.41 | enouf | ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant |
| 02:39.48 | basix | amphi, they haven't provided such instructions in the README. |
| 02:39.57 | enouf | so every package marked with those priorities is installed |
| 02:40.43 | enouf | basix: i don't even use wireless, and never have - so i'll step back now ;-) |
| 02:40.50 | drunk | enouf, why not? |
| 02:40.59 | skor | enouf: ok thanks, i'll check on another system |
| 02:41.00 | amphi | basix: was mac80211 modprobe -r'd? perhaps the old one is still loaded; I'd try modprobe -r mac80211 and perhaps cfg80211, and then modprobe iwl4965 again |
| 02:41.04 | enouf | drunk: why not what? |
| 02:41.09 | drunk | enouf, use wifi |
| 02:41.17 | enouf | drunk: because it sucks ass |
| 02:41.30 | drunk | you mean how? like sucurity? speed? range? what? |
| 02:41.32 | basix | amphi, is there a way to ensure that the 80211 modules get "replaced" |
| 02:41.39 | basix | enouf, okay.. |
| 02:41.45 | enouf | drunk: don't ask me for specifics please |
| 02:41.51 | basix | amphi, can you take a look at the documentation? |
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| 02:42.34 | basix | amphi, i did that. rmmod iwlcore, mac80211 cfg80211 |
| 02:42.47 | amphi | basix: I would just do make install, modprobe -r iwl4965, iwlcore, mac80211 and cfg80211, and modprobe iwl4965, and see what happens |
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| 02:42.55 | amphi | same error? |
| 02:43.21 | ftp3 | i tried to do an apt-get upgrade and i get an error about libapache-mod-frontpage-mirfak not working now and it dies.. so.. i gave up on that for now and tried to install something else.. but apt-get install seems to try and pick up on that old one no matter what and dies.. what can i do? |
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| 02:44.02 | basix | amphi, yup...actually when i installed compat-wireless-old for the first time, it worked fine. today i downloaded the new version of compat-wireless and ran the same commands and it just gave me those errors. so i've not done anything differently. |
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| 02:44.38 | basix | amphi, and yes, i cant seem to locate the firmware for the 5000 series wifi adapters anywhere on intel's website which seems to be erm...creepy... |
| 02:44.38 | amphi | basix: but compat-wireless-old didn't work? |
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| 02:44.51 | amphi | heh |
| 02:44.56 | amphi | perfect timing |
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| 02:45.27 | basix | amphi, sorry to confuse you...when i refer to compat-wireless, it means compat-wireless-old. compat-wireless is meant for the newest _yet unreleased_ .27 kernel... |
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| 02:48.28 | amphi | basix: ah; BTW, did you try the 4965 fw? |
| 02:48.28 | ftp3 | maybe there is a way to tell it to stop checking? or something? |
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| 02:48.36 | basix | amphi, no i didnt.. |
| 02:48.42 | basix | amphi, should it work? |
| 02:48.53 | basix | amphi, even ndiswrapper doesn't work! :( |
| 02:50.22 | amphi | basix: I have no idea; but if they say it's currently supported by iwl4965, that will want the 4965 fw |
| 02:52.12 | amphi | basix: here is the fw you seek, http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/iwlwifi/downloads/iwlwifi-5000-ucode-5.4.A.11.tar.gz |
| 02:52.52 | basix | amphi, i tried that. its not working :( |
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| 02:53.14 | amphi | basix: iwl4965 won't like it, no, it's for the iwl5000 driver |
| 02:53.27 | enouf | basix: /msg dpkg doesn't work |
| 02:53.47 | amphi | !doesn't work |
| 02:53.47 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 02:55.12 | basix | amphi, enouf ok..sorry. well i tried that firmware. it was working with the drivers that i compiled with the older version of compat-wireless-old but with the newer version of compat-wireless-old i get the symbol errors while inserting iwl4965 module |
| 02:55.14 | adama_ | ok I just installed debian on my laptop and it's kernel 2.6.18 - how to upgrade? |
| 02:55.30 | amphi | basix: haha, on the download page, you have to follow the 'show older releases' link to see the 5000 fw |
| 02:55.41 | basix | amphi, i didnt seee that |
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| 02:56.35 | amphi | basix: the symbol error is nothing to do with the fw |
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| 02:58.12 | basix | amphi, ok i'm recompiling the compat-wireless-old package. one weird things that the instructions say -> run: make , make install, make uninstall, make unload, make load. Are they the steps or the general commands that we can run? |
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| 02:59.44 | Kumool | neone got killed too? |
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| 03:01.39 | stew | jaimesilva: xrandr --output $outputname --off |
| 03:01.48 | stew | ^Elise: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 03:02.05 | jaimesilva | stew, I want to turn it *on*, not off |
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| 03:03.21 | stew | jaimesilva: oh, oops, then replace --off with --auto |
| 03:04.11 | jaimesilva | it didn't worked, 'cause it doesn't detect the output as connected, it says is disconnected. What I want is to force it on |
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| 03:05.26 | Kumool | yeah it seems so |
| 03:05.39 | Kumool | due to the alarming rate of the joins |
| 03:05.50 | giwe | Say that I have a network driver that allocates an skb for reception with dev_alloc_skb. Does the kernel free it after I pass it netif_rx(skb)? |
| 03:06.50 | ^Elise | stew, those are too hard for me, please help to add russian in X |
| 03:07.05 | ^Elise | I am using fluxbox |
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| 03:07.39 | stew | ^Elise: try "man kbd" |
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| 03:08.23 | stew | ^Elise: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 03:09.32 | ^Elise | stew, it says the package xserver-xorg is not installed. I am using vncserver as x, mayne that's why? |
| 03:09.38 | ^Elise | *maybe |
| 03:10.25 | ^Elise | it's tightvnc |
| 03:10.32 | stew | ^Elise: i don't know then, try /usr/share/doc/tightvnc |
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| 03:11.57 | vex | anyone also an op on irc.OFTC.net, that can shed some light on an issue for me? |
| 03:12.43 | ftp3 | when i try and apt-get remove a package, it is trying to remove other stuff that I know is not required.. how do I stop that from happening? |
| 03:12.54 | stew | vex: try #debian-ops on oftc |
| 03:13.07 | vex | stew: i can't get onto OFTC, it seems i've been banned (not sure why) |
| 03:13.15 | vex | that's why I need to find an OFTC op |
| 03:13.16 | vex | ;) |
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| 03:14.45 | basix | amphi, i get: "Your old wireless subsystem modules were left intact:" and it does have my current 80211 modules in there. so i am guessing thats why the new driver doesn't load. how do i purge the current modules and install the new ones? |
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| 03:15.20 | stew | vex: email support@oftc.net |
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| 03:16.30 | vex | stew: done, already |
| 03:16.31 | vex | thanks |
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| 03:20.01 | basix | um....if i install a linux-image deb of my current kernel, will it replace the current modules i may have mucked up? |
| 03:20.25 | ftp3 | anyone have any clues to throw me? |
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| 03:31.55 | amphi | basix: AFAIR, make install moved the originals out of the way, and installed the new ones |
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| 03:32.18 | basix | amphi, isn't happening for me :( |
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| 03:38.02 | gbear14275 | without troubles with the boot loader? |
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| 03:40.02 | a[u]stin | I am running lenny on a Macbook Pro, and when I upgraded my kernel from 2.2.24 to 2.2.26 I get a kernel panic on boot saying that root cannot be mounted and something about an unknown block, and ideas? |
| 03:40.03 | skor | when the installer asks what kernel to install, what is the difference between linux-image-2.6-powerpc64 and linux-image-2.6.18-6-powerpc64 ? |
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| 03:42.10 | a[u]stin | 2.6.24 and 2.6.26 i mean |
| 03:42.35 | karlpinc | skor : The difference is whether it will upgrade automatically to newer versions. |
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| 03:43.07 | karlpinc | skor: (When the minor release number changes.) |
| 03:43.16 | hejux | why it stoped so long time when i use syslinux to load the file linux ? |
| 03:43.40 | gbear14275 | anyone resolve cha and lba errors before? |
| 03:43.51 | hejux | could anyone help ? |
| 03:43.59 | karlpinc | a[u]stin : The problem is in your initrd. try update-initramfs (iirc) |
| 03:44.08 | basix | amphi, i'm getting a warning WARNING: "iwl4965_agn_cfg" [/root/drivers/compat-wireless-2.6-old/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlagn.ko] undefined! |
| 03:44.17 | a[u]stin | karlpinc: i did |
| 03:44.24 | hejux | why it stoped so long time when i use syslinux to load the file linux ? |
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| 03:44.49 | skor | karlpinc: ahh, interesting. |
| 03:45.11 | karlpinc | hejux : Maybe you have an old bios and don't have a separate partition for /boot? |
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| 04:08.53 | nekostar | hello - having an issue on a debian stable server |
| 04:09.07 | nekostar | trying to remove a package and it wants to remove another with it |
| 04:09.17 | nekostar | how can i make it remove only the broken one and ignore the other |
| 04:09.35 | nekostar | apt-get remove --purge libapache-mod-frontpage-mirfak <<-- current uninstall line, however there is a package zomos that i need to stay in |
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| 04:25.58 | vsd | what's a good firefox extension for saving sessions? |
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| 04:28.00 | Tapout | I created a new partition... /dev/sdb2 ... i ran: mount /dev/sdb2 /tmp <-- and it cleared the "drwxrwxrwt" on /tmp .. .anyone know why? |
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| 04:28.18 | Tapout | replaced it with: drwxr-xr-x |
| 04:28.31 | pi__ | hi there, how do i change my timezone. for the system not just for my account |
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| 04:33.36 | pi__ | nevermind, found out how to do it =). |
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| 04:42.50 | moodhugs | hello, i installed kdm and it set itself as default when i installed and now i want gdm to boot up. where is that option? |
| 04:43.51 | drunk | moodhugs, /etc/init.d/kdm stop;/etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 04:44.08 | moodhugs | no i tried that |
| 04:44.14 | drunk | moodhugs, im sure there in an /etc/alternatives for it |
| 04:44.21 | drunk | look there |
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| 04:44.33 | dmoerner | just dpkg-reconfigure gdm i think |
| 04:44.43 | drunk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2008-09-08 12:00 x-session-manager -> /usr/bin/startkde |
| 04:44.49 | drunk | so |
| 04:45.01 | drunk | update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 04:45.03 | dmoerner | that's not what he's asking |
| 04:45.04 | drunk | or not that |
| 04:45.05 | drunk | no |
| 04:45.08 | drunk | its the kdm one hang on |
| 04:45.11 | drunk | it should be i nthere |
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| 04:45.53 | drunk | well its not probably showing up cuz i never installed gdm |
| 04:46.05 | drunk | but it should be there, you can set the default dm there |
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| 04:47.47 | moodhugs | init.d/kdm and gdm exist. but gdm start just says "gnome display manager not default. not starting |
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| 04:48.09 | dmoerner | moodhugs: what is the output of dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 04:49.19 | moodhugs | oh that brought up a menu to select thanks =) |
| 04:49.39 | drunk | this is odd |
| 04:49.45 | drunk | I just installed gdm and it didn't ask me. |
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| 04:50.04 | drunk | why is there no postinst to launch debconf on gdm |
| 04:50.42 | drunk | I'm pretty sure it should. for that matter I wonder if kdm or xdm have that |
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| 04:51.35 | drunk | ok I just instaleld kdm-kde4 and it asks me to chose the default one |
| 04:51.45 | eljefe | How can I manuallyy start my seciond CPU? I have an Intel Pentium D dualcore on Lenny... |
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| 04:52.09 | drunk | eljefe, what u mean manually start it? its already in use isn't it |
| 04:52.14 | drunk | eljefe, top |
| 04:52.29 | eljefe | no, it failed at boot and htop only shows one CPU |
| 04:52.44 | drunk | you mean a multisocket mobo with two cpus |
| 04:52.51 | drunk | not a dualcore you refer to as second cpu |
| 04:52.53 | drunk | right? |
| 04:53.04 | eljefe | no, i mean like two-cores-in-one |
| 04:53.12 | drunk | so thats a dualcore, thats not multiple cpus |
| 04:53.16 | drunk | thas one cpu with two cores |
| 04:53.24 | eljefe | ok :) how do i start my second core? |
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| 04:53.37 | drunk | which kernel? |
| 04:53.48 | drunk | and how did it fial, paste some logs |
| 04:53.54 | eljefe | 2.6.26-1-486 :( thats the answer, not the 686 |
| 04:54.13 | drunk | 486 isn't smp enabled by default? |
| 04:54.32 | drunk | so try the 686 kernel |
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| 04:54.56 | drunk | I'm pretty all sure all debian kernels now a days have smp enabled by default as there are no more -smp special kernels |
| 04:55.01 | eljefe | not sure, i think i remember needing the 686; i rebooted recently and musta let it pick the wrong one |
| 04:55.21 | drunk | try the 686 then |
| 04:55.36 | drunk | eljefe, also search linux-image|grep smp returns nothing... as I thought |
| 04:55.36 | eljefe | i'm editing/rendering video right now, so i'll have to wait |
| 04:56.22 | eljefe | well, ok lets assume it should be working, how would i start it? |
| 04:56.53 | drunk | I dunno nuthin' dude. |
| 04:56.56 | eljefe | :) |
| 04:57.38 | stoned | !smp |
| 04:57.38 | dpkg | well, smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMP-HOWTO.html, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_multiprocessing |
| 04:58.18 | eljefe | !dualcore |
| 04:59.33 | eljefe | thanks drunk and stoned |
| 04:59.47 | stoned | you can call me droned. or strunk... |
| 05:00.31 | eljefe | i'd rather call you when I'm running low... well goin to bed, thanks again |
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| 05:05.46 | basix | hi i'm going to compile a vanilla kernel ( from kernel.org ). I can see that debian has patched the 2.6.26 kernel. Since .27 hasn't been released yet, what do I do? Simply copy the .config from my source directory over to the .27 source directory and proceed with the configuration and build? Is it possible for me to apply the same patches to the .27 kernel? ( this question sounds a little absurb but help is appreciated ) |
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| 05:08.20 | basix | s/absurb/absurd |
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| 05:08.45 | hooya_ | is nvidia driver still installable from module assistant? |
| 05:09.02 | dmoerner | wow. i just got a hardlock that trashed all of /var |
| 05:09.15 | dmoerner | thanks a lot ext3 |
| 05:09.31 | dmoerner | hooya_: yes, although it requires some hoops to work on lenny |
| 05:09.34 | dmoerner | !nvidia lenny |
| 05:09.34 | dpkg | The nvidia drivers are still a mess in lenny. If you can help sort them out before lenny releases, then please do. In the mean time, first ask me about <nvidia_lenny_1> then <nvidia_lenny_2> i.e. /msg dpkg nvidia_lenny_1 |
| 05:09.56 | hooya_ | thanks dmoerner |
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| 05:10.29 | dmoerner | no problem |
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| 05:11.44 | hooya_ | dmoerner: that kinda stinks. i guess i'll just wait until that mess is sorted out.. |
| 05:11.47 | hooya_ | thanks tho.. |
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| 05:24.27 | jetscreamer | !nvrun |
| 05:24.27 | dpkg | For a quick nvidia-installer how-to, try http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt Please note that #debian does not support the nvidia-installer, ask for assistance in #nvidia , if need be. |
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| 05:42.14 | troy- | anyone familiar with syslog piping? |
| 05:42.43 | mrglinux | how can I figure out what is os on host? (with command) ? |
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| 05:44.56 | intr80__ | mrglinux : uname -a |
| 05:45.37 | mrglinux | intr80__: I know this but I want get os of server with domain or ip |
| 05:45.52 | richo | hmm |
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| 05:46.02 | richo | mrglinux: nmap -A |
| 05:46.11 | richo | be warned you will probably make someone angry |
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| 05:46.49 | mrglinux | richo why? |
| 05:47.19 | EmleyMoor | Since going to lenny, the following happens when I start OpenOffice.org Writer: Error loading BASIC of document file:///usr/lib/openoffice/share/basic/WebWizard/script.xlb/: General Error. General input/output error |
| 05:47.31 | basix | i'm compiling my own .27 kernel. is it necessary to mkinitrd? some tutorials have it. some dont |
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| 05:47.44 | EmleyMoor | Likewise for dialog.xlb |
| 05:48.11 | basix | EmleyMoor, somethings missing or the location where those files are stored is corrupt |
| 05:48.13 | quik__ | Hey folks |
| 05:48.25 | EmleyMoor | basix: It's the modern way if you are looking to stay close to how Debian des it |
| 05:48.26 | quik__ | after installing netatalk, I get this error: "Starting Netatalk services (this will take a while): socket: Address family not supported by protocol" |
| 05:48.39 | quik__ | using an arm-build debian lenny |
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| 05:48.55 | basix | EmleyMoor, didnt get you? |
| 05:49.18 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... no WebWizard - I may be able to sort that |
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| 05:49.50 | EmleyMoor | The initrd is used by Debian kernel builds these days. If your personal build is meant to be like one, you need to do it. |
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| 05:51.45 | basix | EmleyMoor, i'm following this article: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ Do you know of anything more recent? |
| 05:52.25 | EmleyMoor | I stopped doing my own kernel builds a while back... |
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| 05:53.02 | basix | EmleyMoor, i'm not the kind who'd want to build his kernels but i need to do this inorder to enable my wifi card to work :( |
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| 05:53.13 | basix | EmleyMoor, so i'm basically trying to just add that functionality |
| 05:53.48 | EmleyMoor | basix: Well, I haven't read that article... if you are starting from the Debian config, I would do the mkinitrd step |
| 05:54.04 | basix | EmleyMoor, okay.. |
| 05:54.10 | maligor | mkinitrd? |
| 05:54.14 | maligor | why? |
| 05:54.21 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... there is no package containing the missing script.xlb |
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| 05:54.58 | maligor | just add --initrd to the make-kpkg line |
| 05:55.09 | maligor | the pacakge scripts will make the initrd for you |
| 05:55.24 | EmleyMoor | As I say, it's not something I ever did - but yes, if make-kpkg can do it for you even better |
| 05:55.44 | EmleyMoor | How do I stop openoffice trying to load those two missing files? |
| 05:56.08 | maligor | basix, and that was meant for you :P |
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| 05:57.17 | basix | maligor, okay....i've already issued the make-kpkg command... after it finishes how do i make the initrd? |
| 05:57.36 | maligor | use ctrl-c to stop it, and add the --initrd to it :P |
| 05:58.06 | maligor | it's much more practical |
| 05:58.07 | basix | maligor, it'll take a looong time to compile :( |
| 05:58.18 | maligor | it should just continue where it left off |
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| 05:58.40 | richo | basix: what hardware are you rolling on? |
| 05:58.52 | richo | and what compiler flags are you using? i built a kernel in about 5 mins before |
| 05:59.21 | basix | richo, i'm on intel's montenivo platform ( dunno how to spell it ) |
| 05:59.28 | richo | ah ok |
| 05:59.40 | basix | richo, its an intel t400 and my intel 5100 wifi card wont work |
| 05:59.48 | basix | richo, what platform are you on? |
| 05:59.56 | richo | 1.8 gig ppc64 |
| 06:00.55 | richo | admittedly it's a screaming fast box, but my 233 mhz pentium 1 does a kernel in less than an hour with -O3 |
| 06:02.00 | basix | richo, where do you pass that flag? |
| 06:02.20 | EmleyMoor | openoffice is trying to load the WebWizard, but that isn't in lenny. How do I stop it happening? |
| 06:02.52 | richo | basix: put it in your CFLAGS |
| 06:03.21 | basix | richo, ok |
| 06:03.47 | Vinni | help plz, my debian doesn't see the network adapter in virtualbox |
| 06:04.09 | richo | basix: note, that could make your system unstable |
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| 06:04.33 | richo | that pentium hacktop has the whole shebang of performance-enhancing-potentially-deadly-compiler-flags |
| 06:04.43 | richo | and you basically accept that you haev to replicate any bugs without them |
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| 06:05.48 | basix | hmm |
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| 06:13.43 | basix | richo, should i expect any problems with my new kernel compilation? i'm using the .config of 2.6.26-1 and trying to compile 2.6.27-rc6-git4 |
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| 06:19.58 | basix | richo, how do i ensure my kernel is SMP? |
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| 06:20.54 | basix | rebooting into new kernel :| |
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| 06:29.21 | basix | woo hooo!!!! i'm on 2.6.27-rc6-custom :D WITH MY WIFI WORKING! :D |
| 06:30.13 | richo | nice work |
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| 06:30.26 | richo | hands basix a big bag of smug :) |
| 06:30.43 | basix | richo, phew i'm so relieved :) |
| 06:31.02 | basix | richo, the last time i tried compiling a kernel was back in the 2.6.5 days :) |
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| 06:40.17 | jpu | hi, can i run rsyslog/syslog-ng on my embeded board, which shipped with a ARMv4 core, 128M DDR, 16M flash, thanks |
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| 06:41.25 | simonrvn | why are you asking? |
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| 06:42.28 | simonrvn | install it and run it |
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| 06:49.50 | stoned | is there a way to do this? I want to install eclipse but the latest version of course. I see sid has 3.2 while released is 3.4. is there a way to install whatever eclipse-platform depends on but not eclipse-platform package? and I also need to specify -R on aptitude for this to keep it minimal |
| 06:50.58 | fireba11 | stoned: just download extract and run the latest version ? |
| 06:51.16 | fireba11 | eclipse only needs a java installed afaik |
| 06:51.39 | Vinni | whowa! it suddenly came to me virtualbox is UTTER crap, hail to vmware |
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| 06:52.27 | stoned | fireba11, oh |
| 06:52.31 | stoned | fireba11, really? |
| 06:52.33 | fireba11 | yay for random flame |
| 06:52.36 | stoned | hm |
| 06:52.52 | fireba11 | stoned: we're using eclipse with windows .. it only requires a compatible JRE there |
| 06:53.01 | stoned | i have sun-java installed while the pcakes depend on gcj |
| 06:53.07 | stoned | oh ok |
| 06:54.31 | stoned | where should I install it? |
| 06:54.46 | stoned | like ~/Eclipse3.4 ? |
| 06:54.57 | stoned | or like /usr/local |
| 06:56.10 | fireba11 | stoned: it doesn't really matter ... /usr/local sounds good though |
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| 07:03.47 | gizmokaka | Hi every one, when i try to su(or /bin/su) i get the "setgid: operation not permitted" error |
| 07:03.51 | gizmokaka | how do i fix that? |
| 07:04.20 | gizmokaka | don't know what caused it, someone at my work complained and i am as close there is to be here in knowing linux |
| 07:04.50 | gizmokaka | my sudoers file has admins ALL permissions |
| 07:05.02 | gizmokaka | and the user i am using is in the group adm |
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| 07:10.11 | simonrvn | sudo != su |
| 07:10.16 | simonrvn | point 1 |
| 07:10.39 | simonrvn | point 2: do you have / mounted nosuid ? |
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| 07:19.04 | Vinni | How do I execute a file without 'executable' flag? |
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| 07:21.11 | jescis | Vinni, ./ |
| 07:21.28 | Vinni | it's not executable |
| 07:21.56 | richo | you don't.. that's how the executable bit works... |
| 07:21.59 | jescis | why not make it executable? |
| 07:22.06 | Vinni | it's on cdrom |
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| 07:33.34 | huangjs | hi, could anybody tell me how can I see the login time of all users? |
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| 07:35.48 | cake__ | morning - I just broke ldap auth when dist-upgrading from etch to lenny, anyone know what might have caused it? changes in pam config? |
| 07:37.11 | themill | !lenny release notes |
| 07:37.11 | dpkg | Draft release notes at http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny and http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/ddp/manuals/branches/release-notes/lenny/en/, or see <update-xmlcatalog bug>, or see http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes |
| 07:37.33 | themill | cake__: ^^ anything there? Or in NEWS.Debian for the relevant packages? |
| 07:37.59 | themill | cake__: (if not, please report the issue against the release-notes pseudopackage) |
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| 07:38.52 | cake__ | themill: i'll take a look |
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| 07:45.26 | cake__ | themill: couldnt find anything there in regards to pam ldap |
| 07:45.33 | themill | :( |
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| 07:46.12 | gizmokaka | Hi every one, when i try to su(or /bin/su) i get the "setgid: operation not permitted" error |
| 07:46.21 | gizmokaka | how do i fix that? |
| 07:46.29 | cake__ | i had a hard time configuring it for etch - my config doesnt work on sarge either, so.. might be something there |
| 07:46.31 | gizmokaka | don't know what caused it, someone at my work complained and i am as close there is to be here in knowing linux |
| 07:46.32 | cake__ | i dunno |
| 07:46.39 | kan0 | hello thomas |
| 07:46.42 | gizmokaka | my sudoers file has admins ALL permissions |
| 07:46.47 | kan0 | rember me |
| 07:46.50 | gizmokaka | and the user i am using is in the group adm |
| 07:46.51 | kan0 | :-D |
| 07:47.01 | kan0 | woo hoo |
| 07:47.32 | kan0 | ;) |
| 07:47.43 | kan0 | is anyone using ubuntu |
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| 07:47.53 | themill | kan0: no, this is #debian |
| 07:48.11 | kan0 | right. but ubuntu is based on debian |
| 07:48.44 | themill | kan0: no, ubuntu is off-topic in #debian. There is #ubuntu for ubuntu questions. |
| 07:48.55 | kan0 | i have no ubuntu questions |
| 07:49.21 | linostar | gizmokaka: if you're in the sudoers list, why are you using su instead of sudo? |
| 07:49.30 | kan0 | im a Linux student. |
| 07:49.59 | linostar | gizmokaka: check /bin/su permissions anyway (ls -l /bin/su) |
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| 07:50.11 | kan0 | debian is a seperate distro |
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| 07:51.21 | gizmokaka | linostar: hi, 10x, i am not tried using sudo but that doesn't work either |
| 07:51.30 | gizmokaka | linostar: the error i get there is: |
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| 07:52.06 | gizmokaka | linostar: must be setuid root |
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| 07:52.40 | gizmokaka | linostar: and /bin/su permission are "-rwsr-xr-x" |
| 07:52.47 | gizmokaka | seems correct |
| 07:52.49 | kan0 | are you in root giz |
| 07:53.03 | gizmokaka | kan0: what do you mean? |
| 07:53.11 | kan0 | do you have root permissions |
| 07:53.41 | gizmokaka | nop, the user is in admin group that is supposed to be sudoer but that doesn't work either |
| 07:53.48 | kan0 | i would recommend installing programs from the root account |
| 07:54.05 | themill | kan0: do you think you're helping? |
| 07:54.23 | themill | gizmokaka: what's the output of "dpkg -l | tail -1" and "mount" (use a pastebin) |
| 07:54.30 | kan0 | than log back to your ordinary user account |
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| 07:55.12 | gizmokaka | themill: sec |
| 07:55.36 | LeoDing | May I recover data which I delete from ext3 file system? |
| 07:55.39 | kan0 | giz you can use the man command to get help on certin commands that you are using. |
| 07:56.08 | themill | LeoDing: in general only from your backups. But /msg dpkg undelete |
| 07:56.15 | linostar | LeoDing: try photorec |
| 07:57.12 | gizmokaka | themill: it's just another computer i run to every time to do what you say |
| 07:57.27 | gizmokaka | the output in a sec |
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| 07:58.09 | LeoDing | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:58.44 | LeoDing | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.05 | linostar | LeoDing: it can recover all kinds of files, and for a multitude of file systems |
| 07:59.17 | linostar | !google photorec |
| 07:59.40 | LeoDing | linostar: Really???i am try .thank you |
| 08:00.09 | linostar | LeoDing: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec |
| 08:00.18 | linostar | you're welcome |
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| 08:02.04 | cake__ | themill: seems the following is the problem: "pam_authenticate: Insufficient credentials to access authentication data" |
| 08:02.08 | LeoDing | linostar: yes, i find it. |
| 08:02.13 | cake__ | themill: this is "new" after the dist-upgrade |
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| 08:03.07 | gizmokaka | themill: sorry cant give out of mount it's on the problematic pc that has no network |
| 08:03.42 | gizmokaka | themill: but wrote down the dpkg -l | tail -1 (though i don't know how dpkg might be related |
| 08:03.53 | kan0 | thomas |
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| 08:03.58 | kan0 | did you get my invite |
| 08:04.19 | gizmokaka | themill: ii zlib1g 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-7ubuntu |
| 08:04.19 | gizmokaka | compression library-runtime |
| 08:05.27 | gizmokaka | kan0: sorry man you are not addressing me so i didn't notice it |
| 08:05.38 | kan0 | oh |
| 08:05.41 | gizmokaka | i am not in the root cause i can't be, that is my whole problem |
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| 08:05.48 | gizmokaka | now i can get in to root |
| 08:05.54 | kan0 | well i was talking to someone else in pm |
| 08:05.54 | gizmokaka | what do you suggest i do? |
| 08:06.11 | kan0 | i said to log into root account |
| 08:06.13 | gizmokaka | well it's only a misunderstanding |
| 08:06.15 | gizmokaka | and? |
| 08:06.26 | kan0 | and than use the add and remove software |
| 08:06.42 | kan0 | and than log back out |
| 08:06.49 | kan0 | into your user accountt |
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| 08:07.04 | LeoDing | linostar: are you see photorec's README ?it's said photorec is designed to recover lost picture... |
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| 08:07.28 | Ziroday | I am suffering from this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=494242, what can I do to get it fixed? |
| 08:07.43 | LeoDing | themill: "in general only from your backups. But /msg dpkg undelete" what's your meaning ? |
| 08:07.50 | gizmokaka | kan0: what add remove software |
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| 08:08.10 | gizmokaka | ? |
| 08:08.11 | streuner | !dbugs 494242 |
| 08:08.14 | dpkg | #494242:S[pyclutter] pyclutter: FTBFS: Nonexistent build-dependency: libclutter-0.6-dev (); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:10:28 UTC [] |
| 08:08.22 | kan0 | sorry i was looking at my distro |
| 08:08.28 | kan0 | :( |
| 08:08.42 | streuner | Ziroday: nothing |
| 08:09.05 | streuner | Ziroday: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 08:09.29 | Ziroday | streuner: thanks |
| 08:09.29 | linostar | LeoDing: they said that, but it can actually recover everything. Trust me, I use it always :) |
| 08:09.34 | gizmokaka | kan0: are you talking to me? |
| 08:09.49 | kan0 | yes |
| 08:10.12 | gizmokaka | well, you looked at your distro, what distro are you using? |
| 08:10.18 | kan0 | ubuntu |
| 08:10.21 | gizmokaka | isn't it deb |
| 08:10.22 | gizmokaka | OK |
| 08:10.26 | kan0 | yes |
| 08:10.29 | fireba11 | meeep :.-D |
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| 08:10.34 | gizmokaka | well you meant for me to go into synaptic? |
| 08:10.36 | LeoDing | linostar: OK,i am try ,if i have some question,i ask you ... |
| 08:10.47 | kan0 | i guess if that's your installer |
| 08:11.12 | kan0 | i never touched debian the distro. but i am using ubuntu |
| 08:11.20 | gizmokaka | kan0: it's yours also, it's the synaptic package manager |
| 08:11.30 | kan0 | ok |
| 08:11.31 | fireba11 | lol |
| 08:11.33 | gizmokaka | in ubuntu just the same dude |
| 08:11.35 | kan0 | :-D |
| 08:11.37 | ronr | I got two computers with exactly the same hardware, one has a crappy debian setup, the other an ok setup. I want to place both harddisks in one machine, boot of the ok setup and then dd the full contents of the right setup to the harddisk with the crappy setup. Say the right on is /dev/sda and the wrong one /dev/sdb, what would be the best (reliable / fast) dd command / options to do this? |
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| 08:12.00 | fireba11 | ronr: why don't you ghost it or something ? |
| 08:12.00 | kan0 | im a red hat savvy user |
| 08:12.01 | gizmokaka | themill: anything? |
| 08:12.03 | kan0 | though |
| 08:12.17 | gizmokaka | ohhhhhhhh in that case i understand :) |
| 08:12.23 | kan0 | he he |
| 08:12.26 | LeoDing | linostar: is it I must execute testdisk_static at first ??? |
| 08:12.31 | Ziroday | streuner: can I submit another package with the dependecies fixed? |
| 08:12.32 | gizmokaka | well you should move to debian this is one Hell of a great system |
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| 08:12.35 | visof | hi |
| 08:12.41 | LeoDing | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.45 | visof | how can i extract 007 file? |
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| 08:12.59 | kan0 | linux is linux |
| 08:13.06 | kan0 | i got ubuntu on my desktop |
| 08:13.12 | ronr | fireba11: cause I'd never heard of ghost :) |
| 08:13.18 | fireba11 | visof: sounds like part of a split file |
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| 08:13.42 | kan0 | kung fu as in kung foo |
| 08:13.43 | kan0 | ? |
| 08:14.07 | ronr | fireba11: and neither does aptitude btw |
| 08:14.16 | fireba11 | ronr: or some other disk image tool where you can boot of a cd and just copy everything over |
| 08:14.26 | streuner | Ziroday: theroretically sure, but if you aren't a DD or don't know people its rather impossible |
| 08:14.36 | Ziroday | streuner: bummer |
| 08:14.51 | Ziroday | streuner: because it should be a very easy fix |
| 08:14.53 | kan0 | <<<took kung fu and tao chi |
| 08:14.53 | fireba11 | ronr: doesn't seem like you need to have the source system running, so it'll be easier that way |
| 08:15.01 | kan0 | tai chi |
| 08:15.15 | streuner | Ziroday: well, why not just send the patch then? |
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| 08:15.55 | puff | I'm using postfix/amavis/spamassassin. When I first installed it, it worked pretty well, then some months ago it startedbeing useless. |
| 08:16.06 | ronr | fireba11: ok, so you say boot from a live cd and copy from there to avoid problems, sounds reasonable enough |
| 08:16.11 | puff | I have since learned that there have been no rule updates released in several months. |
| 08:16.21 | kan0 | lol |
| 08:16.30 | kan0 | i kicked my self from my own channel |
| 08:16.36 | puff | I am suspecting that in fact the rules arent' there at all, somehow. |
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| 08:16.55 | puff | Anyway, anybody have pointers to how to properly train spamassassin when usedon a system-wide level? |
| 08:16.57 | Ziroday | streuner: sorry, thats what I meant. Do I just attach it to the bug? |
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| 08:17.09 | streuner | sure |
| 08:17.10 | micols | how do i reroute my sblive i/os now adays, like with emutools a few years ago? |
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| 08:17.27 | kan0 | spam assassin is a good software |
| 08:17.27 | kan0 | to have running on a server |
| 08:17.32 | streuner | emu10k1? |
| 08:17.49 | puff | kan0: It could be, ifit worked... |
| 08:17.57 | kan0 | :-D |
| 08:18.16 | fireba11 | puff the website provides a wiki you know ... |
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| 08:20.16 | streuner | micols: do you have issues with IRQs? |
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| 08:23.35 | puff | Hm, I have tens of thousnads of spams in my spam Maildir, going back a few years. |
| 08:23.58 | puff | I wonder what's the easiest way to pick out only the most recent messages. |
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| 08:27.26 | vy | Hi! What's the difference between SNMP OIDs IF-MIB::ifInOctets.1 and IF-MIB::ifLastChange.65539? |
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| 08:27.44 | vy | Oops, I mean IF-MIB::ifInOctets.1 and IF-MIB::ifInOctets.65539 |
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| 08:29.36 | Supaplex | erm. that autokill was cute... sorta... |
| 08:31.24 | themill | gizmokaka: sorry -- had to run away for a while. Are you sorted now? |
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| 08:33.36 | simonrvn | why hello there |
| 08:34.03 | micols | streuner: i want to have my home stereo on back channel and headphones on front channel |
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| 08:34.16 | micols | so the stereo only gets activated when i select that channel with alsa. |
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| 08:34.40 | micols | i.e. stereo on black minijack plug and headphones on the green one |
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| 08:35.10 | cahoot | micols: sounds like you need a custom .asoundrc |
| 08:35.22 | themill | not all sound cards can do that |
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| 08:35.35 | micols | its an sblive, thats why i mentioned emutools :) |
| 08:35.39 | micols | emu10k1 chip, audigy 1 |
| 08:35.49 | gizmokaka | themill: 10x i will manage i hope |
| 08:35.57 | themill | gizmokaka: :) |
| 08:36.03 | CuBe0wL | hi all! since I've last updated my sid last friday, all qt applications are very slow. If I start a konqueror, nothing hapens for a few minutes, and then suddenly the app starts. has anybody encountered this problem? |
| 08:36.31 | themill | micols: I'm wondering if #alsa will be of more help. A newer kernel might also be necessary (and the guys in #alsa will PAL if you are using the etch kernel) |
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| 08:37.33 | CuBe0wL | oh, kde 3.5.9 btw |
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| 08:39.07 | themill | CuBe0wL: did you restart KDE since the upgrade? Are there any messages in ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 08:39.59 | micols | themill: i dont use etch kernels :) |
| 08:40.12 | CuBe0wL | themill, I'll look for the errors, and yes, I've restarted the pc since a lot times (I turn off hte pc for nights) |
| 08:40.13 | micols | even though i got etch on all my systems, none of them use "apt kernels" |
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| 08:45.37 | linostar | LeoDing: sorry for being late. No, you probably don't want to use testdisk at all |
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| 09:00.17 | assasukasse | hi everyone |
| 09:00.26 | assasukasse | is the kernel headers bug still not fixed? |
| 09:01.19 | V4Nelle | opoios gnwrizei giati efaga akill msg me :) |
| 09:03.13 | Supaplex | ~lart bugs |
| 09:03.13 | apt | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets bugs feel it |
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| 09:10.57 | themill | assasukasse: you couldn't be more vague if you tried |
| 09:11.48 | assasukasse | themill: if you try to compile the kernel headers with the debian toold you get out packaged which are useless |
| 09:11.52 | assasukasse | tools |
| 09:11.54 | assasukasse | sorry |
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| 09:13.41 | themill | assasukasse: so what's the bts bug number? |
| 09:13.44 | assasukasse | themill: i am using a custom kernel, built from the sources...but all the kernel headers compiled are rubbish, since they won't be useful for compiling anything |
| 09:14.02 | assasukasse | themill: i don't know , i just know is there from 2.6.24 |
| 09:15.17 | puff | hm, can anybody help me with a postfix/amavis/spamassassin question? I have (I thought) things set up so postfix checks incoming mail against spamassassin. However, I just tried to restart spamasassin with "/etc/init.d/spamassassin restart" and it responded with "SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon: disabled, see /etc/default/spamassassin" |
| 09:15.23 | puff | What would disable it? |
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| 09:16.21 | marcoaesis | puff in /etc/default/ ENABLE = 1 |
| 09:16.43 | puff | marcoaesis: Yeah, but why is it disabled? |
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| 09:17.21 | marcoaesis | puff spamassassin when you installed it is disable.... |
| 09:17.57 | themill | assasukasse: check yourself: http://bugs.debian.org/kernel-package |
| 09:17.59 | beardy | puff: It tells you nicely, even where. Read /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/Readme.Debian |
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| 09:18.15 | beardy | README.Debian |
| 09:18.21 | themill | judd bug 468839 |
| 09:18.22 | judd | themill: Bug #468839 (pending) kernel-package -- linux-source-2.6.24: A make-kpkg build of Linux 2.6.24 generates an unusable headers package (i.e. : not suitable for m-a).; Severity: important; Last Modified: 2008-07-03 22:12:02 |
| 09:18.27 | marcoaesis | puff in the /etc/default/spamassassin you change ENABLE keys |
| 09:19.18 | assasukasse | themill: found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=468839 |
| 09:19.58 | themill | assasukasse: so now you can check yourself if the bug has been fixed. (It's marked as "pending" which means that it should be fixed RSN) |
| 09:20.03 | assasukasse | hell seems not fixed... |
| 09:20.21 | assasukasse | eww |
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| 09:25.26 | puff | This is the tutorial I used to setup postfix/amavis/spamasasssin: http://www.howtoforge.com/amavisd_postfix_debian_ubuntu |
| 09:26.42 | puff | I think this approach doesn't have ENABLE=1 because amavis invokes spamassassin. |
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| 09:32.34 | jstein | bug in synaptic?: i run via ssh kdesu synaptic on an remote desktop. During the "Applying Changes" stage the black console output window remains empty. is that a synaptic bug? |
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| 09:43.42 | marcoaesis | puff: but if you change ENABLE=1 and restart spamassassin you found the same error ? |
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| 09:46.56 | ivh | I have a (self-built) package that wants python2.5. I have installed python2.5 on my etch-system, changed the symlink /usr/bin/python to python2.5 and run "pycentral updatedefault python2.4 python2.5". But still the package complains at install about "Version of python on system is 2.4.4-2." Any hints? |
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| 09:49.47 | bkw | I do "sudo ulimit -n" but that gives sudo: ulimit -n: command not found. So how can I read and write ulimit commands with sudo? |
| 09:50.53 | themill | bkw: it doesn't make any sense to use ulimit in that context. ulimit changes the current shell |
| 09:51.04 | puff | marcoaesis: good question :-). |
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| 09:53.07 | themill | bkw: ulimit is a shell built-in like "cd". Does it make any sense to do "sudo cd /some/path"? |
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| 09:54.17 | bkw | themill: is the permanent value of ulimit -n set by fs.file-max in sysctl.conf? |
| 09:54.20 | quik__ | how can I discover what versions of a package are available with apt-get? |
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| 09:54.24 | bkw | permanent/default |
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| 09:55.26 | themill | quik__: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 09:55.45 | quik__ | themill: thanks! |
| 09:55.59 | quik__ | I've been trying to install netatalk on an arm build of debian |
| 09:56.06 | quik__ | it installs but then fails to start |
| 09:56.19 | themill | bkw: no idea. never looked. man 8 sysctl? |
| 09:56.20 | bkw | limits.conf even, sorry. |
| 09:57.01 | quik__ | is the main debian mirror likley to have older versions of packages? |
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| 09:57.15 | themill | bkw: nofile looks more likely to be the right item |
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| 10:06.51 | quik__ | is there a special channel for debian arm builds? |
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| 10:08.26 | themill | quik__: there's #debian-arm on oftc, but I'm not sure if that's a user or developer channel |
| 10:08.58 | quik__ | themill: on freenode? its invite only apparently |
| 10:09.18 | themill | on oftc |
| 10:10.33 | bkw | mhm, isn't %root ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL in /etc/sudoers correct if I want to allow all users in group root to run all commands without password? |
| 10:10.35 | shital_ | which module i should modprobe for usb detection |
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| 10:11.42 | Agiofws | is anyone using chrome ? |
| 10:11.48 | tarzeau | when will lenny be released? |
| 10:11.53 | tarzeau | Agiofws: have you tried arora? |
| 10:12.00 | themill | !wwlr |
| 10:12.00 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
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| 10:12.04 | tarzeau | Agiofws: i'd rather use safari.exe with wine, if it would work |
| 10:12.12 | Agiofws | arora ? |
| 10:12.24 | tarzeau | Agiofws: webkit based qtbrowser |
| 10:12.25 | quik__ | anyone got experience with netatalk? |
| 10:12.52 | bkw | %wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL might work better |
| 10:13.34 | puff | marcoaesis: Well, so far, no change in the amount of spam getting through. |
| 10:15.06 | petemc | rbls stop a lot more spam than sa for me |
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| 10:16.21 | adnc | hallo, wie kann ich denn sicherstellen, dass jede datei, die ein benutzer anlegt einer bestimmten gruppe angehoert |
| 10:16.30 | themill | !de |
| 10:16.30 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
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| 10:16.59 | themill | marcoaesis: greylisting helps a lot, but a lot of people don't like it. (It also helps less now than it used to) |
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| 10:17.03 | adnc | themill: ohh sorrz |
| 10:17.14 | themill | err.... puff ^^ |
| 10:17.45 | Agiofws | hi |
| 10:17.47 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.12 | puff | themill: Well, when I first set up amavis/spamassassin/pyzor/dcc, it seemed to help a whole bunch. |
| 10:18.20 | themill | Agiofws: make oldconfig |
| 10:18.35 | themill | puff: yes. It still helps a bit... |
| 10:18.38 | Agiofws | themill, thats not even curse based |
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| 10:18.52 | puff | themill: Like,went from several hundred spams a day in my inbox to maybe a dozen (and that was just because I was cautious and set the automatically-route-to-spam-mailbox limit low) |
| 10:19.14 | puff | But now it's flat out useless. I really have to wonder if something odd happened. |
| 10:19.23 | themill | puff: are you sure things are being scanned? |
| 10:19.26 | puff | E.g. did it somehow get deactivated, or what. |
| 10:19.45 | themill | puff: certainly things like dcc and razor need to be manually activated now |
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| 10:20.22 | puff | themill: amavis is logging them as scanned, and they have spam headers added. Just really low spam counts, even for messges that use the word "viagra" all over the place. |
| 10:20.27 | puff | themill: Come again? |
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| 10:20.46 | themill | puff: you might also like to look at volatile or backports.org to get a newer spamassassin with newer rules. /msg dpkg volatile ; /msg dpkg bpo |
| 10:20.51 | mu532 | I'm trying to find out about fonts... right now, I want to be able to pick a font and size thereof, and then find out the number of screen pixels between (say) the baseline to the descender line |
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| 10:21.20 | puff | themill: I followed this tutorial in setting it allup: http://www.howtoforge.com/amavisd_postfix_debian_ubuntu |
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| 10:21.32 | puff | msg dpkg bpo |
| 10:21.39 | puff | Whoops. |
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| 10:21.43 | oxff | hm interesting |
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| 10:23.55 | puff | themill: So, amavis says (in /var/log/mail.log) that it's spam scanning the messages but sa-update hasn't gotten a real update in months. |
| 10:24.17 | puff | themill: Is it possible that somewhere in the update process, the rules got cleared out? |
| 10:24.58 | marcoaesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.16 | themill | marcoaesis: sorry, that wasn't for you |
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| 10:26.00 | marcoaesis | themill: ok... |
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| 10:26.30 | Kovensky_ | translates "indo pra faculdade" as "going to college" and goes do so too |
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| 10:29.43 | oxff | interesting! |
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| 10:40.18 | MrWax | Is it possible to check when a user did login for the last time on a linux system? |
| 10:40.42 | idimmu | cat /var/log/auth.log | grep username |
| 10:40.43 | idimmu | maybe |
| 10:40.58 | mu532 | last? |
| 10:41.03 | idimmu | probaly wont wok tho ignore me |
| 10:41.10 | MrWax | which parameter mu532 ? |
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| 10:41.51 | petemc | uuoc |
| 10:42.00 | MrWax | auth.log gives no results indeed |
| 10:42.05 | mu532 | which parameter do you want? last should have a man page; check that for details |
| 10:42.05 | MrWax | uuoc? |
| 10:42.21 | petemc | !uuoc |
| 10:42.22 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 10:42.24 | stew | MrWax: "last username" or "finger username" (if finger is acutally installed) |
| 10:42.56 | petemc | or lastlog |
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| 10:48.13 | mu532 | if your auth.log was rolled, maybe so was the lastlog |
| 10:48.18 | tarzeau | how can i make a backup of my dvd movies? |
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| 10:49.05 | petemc | i use dvdshrink, windows only but works with wine |
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| 10:50.13 | neaai | Hello all. Is there a way to see whether the administered 'bind' is a lame server or appears as a lameserver anywhere ? I have asked in bind's chanel but activity there is very low now. |
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| 10:51.08 | fireba11 | neaai : "lame server" ? |
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| 10:51.44 | mu532 | neaai: I guess a dns server is lame if it tries to be authoritative over a domain without permission from the upstream |
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| 10:52.18 | mu532 | neaai: what's the purpose behind testing? |
| 10:52.32 | neaai | fireba11: yes. The 'lame server' is a server where you have been directed to query for a domain that the server should be authoritative, but upon that server's answer you find out it's not authoritative. |
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| 10:53.49 | mu532 | so the server is just not configured properly |
| 10:54.16 | neaai | mu532: yes. Myself I see a lot of entries that appear as lame servers in my server's logfile. But this show only that these other servers are lameservers. Is there a way to see whether my server behaves as a lameserver for others ? |
| 10:54.48 | neaai | I hope this previous sentence makes sense |
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| 10:55.09 | mu532 | the key is "behaves as a |
| 10:55.16 | freezer | hi |
| 10:55.23 | mu532 | lameserver for others" |
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| 10:56.15 | mu532 | if you really want that specifically, that would involve talking to other servers. but I don't think they supply that information |
| 10:56.41 | neaai | mu532: basically that's what I want to check. I mean how can I check that? As far as I know my server is not lame. I have configuret it properly and working for years now, but today I experienced a lot of dns traffic, mostly bogus |
| 10:56.52 | mu532 | if you want that independently, then the test is: is my dns configured and running properly" |
| 10:57.18 | dustybin | when i boot my PXE client, it now stops during boot and says: Starting NFS common utilities: statd, it pauses for quite a while then eventually says failed! Anybody have any ideas what this might be? |
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| 10:58.05 | neaai | mu532: the dns is configured and runs properly, I am now investigating where did the seemingly DoS come from or anything |
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| 10:58.42 | mu532 | that's actually a very different question |
| 10:59.31 | mu532 | so you have a domain? and you run a primary dns authoritative over that domain? |
| 10:59.38 | neaai | mu532: I increased the loglevel to see everything and the lameservers that previously were null categorised, now I see them |
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| 10:59.49 | neaai | mu532: yes |
| 11:00.04 | neaai | mu532: have been doing that for years and years |
| 11:00.07 | mu532 | you might want to turn axfr off |
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| 11:01.07 | mu532 | probably you know that too :) |
| 11:01.17 | neaai | mu532: I see. But wouldn't anything be affected by that? axfr are responsible for entire zone transfers, right ? |
| 11:01.34 | mu532 | correct |
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| 11:02.21 | mu532 | probably you want to either turn that off entirely or only allow it for secondaries over your domain |
| 11:02.30 | neaai | mu532: http://www.dollardns.net/cgi-bin/dnscrawler/index.pl?server=a.root-servers.net&name=&type=AXFR&class=IN&lr=12&submit=Send+Query#report |
| 11:02.44 | neaai | mu532: I did the check described there. |
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| 11:03.24 | neaai | mu532: I put my own dns server ip and my own domain name, type = axfr. |
| 11:03.50 | mu532 | does it allow the transfer? |
| 11:04.02 | neaai | mu532: the result was "refused" so I think it doesn't allow |
| 11:04.19 | neaai | I mean, appart from what I have explicitly allowed |
| 11:04.26 | mu532 | ok, that's probably a good thing |
| 11:05.13 | mu532 | axfr is an obvious way to get a list of resources to exploit |
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| 11:06.33 | neaai | mu532: I see |
| 11:06.59 | neaai | mu532: localhost named[5823]: client 77.242.19.9#1120: no more recursive clients: quota reached |
| 11:07.19 | neaai | mu532: that is the message I saw in logfiles for an entire hour |
| 11:07.30 | neaai | mu532: like, every second, tens of them |
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| 11:08.07 | neaai | mu532: and I don't exactly know what do they mean and what could be a cause for these messages |
| 11:08.23 | V4Nelle | guys there is any good application which can configure boot services? |
| 11:08.36 | mu532 | you could try locating and contacting the admin for the network they're originating from |
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| 11:10.01 | mu532 | V4Nelle: man init, man inittab, look in /etc/init.d, look at /etc/init.d/skeleton, look at /etc/init.d/README, look at man update-rc.d |
| 11:10.24 | neaai | mu532: Every entry had a different ip and yes they belonged to the same class C network. Could it be any sort of botnets with a coordinated attack ? |
| 11:10.51 | neaai | mu532: this is the second time this happens to me. Both times it aparently ended on its own. |
| 11:10.51 | mu532 | anything's possible |
| 11:11.11 | mu532 | so the attack is over? |
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| 11:11.53 | mu532 | so, take your left hand to your right eyebrow, wipe to the left eyebrow while saying "whew!" |
| 11:12.10 | mu532 | and try contacting the net provider :) |
| 11:12.15 | buzizk | hey im using lenny and can't find /etc/iftab is there anywhere else i could manage the eth devices? |
| 11:12.18 | neaai | mu532: yes. Actually, after I anounced to a different bgp peer the bgp ip block where the dns server belongs |
| 11:12.27 | neaai | lol mu532 |
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| 11:13.34 | ^Elise | how mount samba share with full write support? |
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| 11:14.41 | mu532 | buzizk: take a look at man 5 interfaces |
| 11:15.31 | mu532 | neaai: routing should be classless these days |
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| 11:16.14 | mu532 | but you probably want to contact some or all of the net providers from the specific one on up |
| 11:17.16 | mu532 | word of wisdom: be polite when you do so |
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| 11:21.23 | neaai | mu532: I think I will do that. Thanks for the advices |
| 11:21.24 | neaai | :) |
| 11:21.43 | ptman | which one should be used on debian /etc/aliases or /etc/postfix/aliases |
| 11:22.12 | ptman | hmm... apparently /etc/aliases |
| 11:22.19 | ptman | please correct me if I'm wrong |
| 11:22.23 | mu532 | ptman: which one does the package install/configure? |
| 11:22.56 | ptman | dpkg -S finds neither of them |
| 11:22.56 | dpkg | Badgers ate my finds neither of them! |
| 11:23.06 | ptman | I have both on a problem system |
| 11:23.24 | ptman | but on a clean system I only have /etc/aliases, so I guess that's the one |
| 11:23.46 | mu532 | check the package documentation |
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| 11:24.29 | mu532 | if the package is properly maintained, the docs will tell you everything you need to know |
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| 11:25.30 | fantomas | Hi all. Sorry for offtopic. Looking for someone who played with MANTIS bug trackins system. Need short consulting :) |
| 11:26.51 | ptman | mu532: man 5 aliases didn't tell me, but I'm using /etc/aliases now |
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| 11:27.25 | mu532 | ptman so you're using postfix? |
| 11:27.57 | ptman | yes, and this is a good enough solution for me, so I ain't checking the documentation |
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| 11:28.47 | mu532 | so you've found that adding to /etc/aliases gets you want you want? |
| 11:28.57 | ptman | yes |
| 11:29.26 | mu532 | good enough |
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| 11:30.33 | harpal | Hey I dont have --dport and --sport working in my iptables? whats problem? when I give --sport or --dport it says that NO chain/target/match by that name?? |
| 11:31.52 | stew | harpal: show us the entire command |
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| 11:37.41 | harpal | stew: iptables -A INPUT -p UDP -i eth0 --dport 67 --sport 68 -j ACCEPT |
| 11:38.33 | mu532 | aren't --dport and --sport part of ipchains? |
| 11:39.19 | harpal | mu532: you can use that in iptables. |
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| 11:39.45 | stew | harpal: i think you want -pudp |
| 11:41.59 | harpal | stew: Nope, that is now giving error, unknown protocol -pudp |
| 11:42.10 | mu532 | harpal: there's some issue with the order and/or syntax of the command, if it's giving you a message like that, it's misinterpreting something because there's a problem with the sequence |
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| 11:42.36 | mu532 | show the whole command when you issue new ones |
| 11:42.54 | harpal | stew: iptables -A INPUT -pudp-i eth0 --dport 67 --sport 68 -j ACCEPT |
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| 11:43.13 | stew | harpal: i think you can't have -i eth0 in between -pudp and the --dport/--sport |
| 11:43.16 | mu532 | -pudp-i is probably a syntax error |
| 11:43.20 | Agiofws | can anyone tell me how do i pass my old .config selections to my new kernel .config ? make oldconfig and then make menuconfig ? ? |
| 11:43.54 | harpal | mu532: ya thats said by stew to check that so I dont that |
| 11:44.18 | SidGBF | how to add pt_BR.UTF-8 locale to a debian install? |
| 11:44.32 | stew | SidGBF: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 11:44.48 | mu532 | harpal: are you typing the command into irc? or copy/pasting? |
| 11:44.57 | harpal | stew: I have remove -i eth0 but still same problem |
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| 11:45.23 | harpal | mu532: copy paste. I am running that on my system and then tell you |
| 11:45.28 | mu532 | are you showing the messages exactly? |
| 11:45.29 | stew | harpal: put a space between -p and udb |
| 11:45.33 | stew | err udp |
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| 11:46.22 | dam85 | hello everybody |
| 11:46.25 | harpal | iptables -A INPUT -p udp -i eth0 --sport 68 --dport 67 -j ACCEPT |
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| 11:46.42 | harpal | error is iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 11:47.08 | stew | harpal: that one works for me, so its something wrong with your kernel. what does "uname -r" say? |
| 11:47.26 | dam85 | is possible thunderbird runs slowly on debian unstable than debian etch ? |
| 11:47.42 | harpal | stew: 2.6.26 |
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| 11:48.05 | mu532 | so you didn't build all the match modules probably |
| 11:48.12 | dustybin | i think ive found the problem!!! |
| 11:48.20 | stew | harpal: so you compiled this yourself? you must have forgotten some iptables modules |
| 11:48.29 | dustybin | am i right in thinking that statd is listening only on the local interface: |
| 11:48.32 | dustybin | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:40001 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 6311/rpc.statd |
| 11:48.39 | dustybin | so that means nothing else can connect to it? |
| 11:48.54 | harpal | mu532: I have all required uptables modules there. I have selected all netfilter modules |
| 11:48.56 | stew | dustybin: no, 0.0.0.0 is everything, 127.0.0.1 would be localhost |
| 11:49.01 | dustybin | oh hell |
| 11:49.08 | dustybin | i just cannot figure this out |
| 11:49.20 | harpal | stew: yes I have compiled it my self. But I think I have build all modules |
| 11:49.53 | stew | harpal: is the iptable_filter module loaded? |
| 11:50.16 | dustybin | stew: if something is connected to statd it should show in netstat? |
| 11:50.18 | mu532 | harpal: iptables -L INPUT |
| 11:50.34 | mu532 | does that list some rules or give an error? |
| 11:50.52 | dam85 | ?? |
| 11:51.03 | stew | dustybin: i'd think so |
| 11:51.22 | harpal | stew: yes |
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| 11:51.34 | dam85 | could someone help me? |
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| 11:52.23 | azrael_valedhel | how do one stop aptitude from wanting to remove actual kernel? |
| 11:52.27 | abrotman | dam85: did you ask a question ? |
| 11:52.32 | abrotman | azrael_valedhel: install the metapackage |
| 11:52.33 | dam85 | yes |
| 11:52.39 | dam85 | <dam85> is possible thunderbird runs slowly on debian unstable than debian etch ? |
| 11:52.47 | abrotman | more slowly? and yes |
| 11:52.52 | harpal | mu532: its running and and still no errors came |
| 11:53.10 | azrael_valedhel | the metapackage for that kernel? |
| 11:53.17 | mu532 | harpal: so it lists some rules |
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| 11:53.40 | darius12 | where is the apt database stored? |
| 11:53.46 | mu532 | the only other target is ACCEPT |
| 11:53.47 | abrotman | azrael_valedhel: paste the output of what is happening |
| 11:53.53 | harpal | mu532: ya its listing, its taking some time, while iptables -nL INPUT shows it quickly |
| 11:53.56 | abrotman | darius12: which one? |
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| 11:54.15 | dam85 | yes more slow |
| 11:54.17 | mu532 | ahh, so it's looking them up |
| 11:54.18 | dam85 | is possible?? |
| 11:54.18 | mu532 | good |
| 11:54.20 | dam85 | why? |
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| 11:54.33 | darius12 | abrotman: the one that stores what depends on what |
| 11:55.00 | stew | dustybin: that's stored in several places. what are you trying to do? |
| 11:55.06 | stew | darius12: that's stored in several places. what are you trying to do? |
| 11:55.25 | SidGBF | Where are located PostGreSQL databases in debian? |
| 11:55.25 | abrotman | dam85: of course it's possible .. if you want stable software, don't run unstable |
| 11:55.27 | stew | darius12: whatever you are trying to do, there is probably a better way |
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| 11:55.38 | darius12 | I think I found it, never mind |
| 11:55.40 | abrotman | SidGBF: where you configure them to be .. /var/lib/postgresql/ is a good start |
| 11:55.51 | stew | darius12: don't edit those files |
| 11:55.58 | harpal | mu532: dont know if its missing some modules it shows module error, but its showing error for --sport and --dport :( |
| 11:55.58 | SidGBF | Im trying to restore databases from a copy of our old system... |
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| 11:56.14 | dam85 | abrotman: why is possible? |
| 11:56.16 | darius12 | I know there is probably a better way but I think editing is harmless in my case (famous last words :) |
| 11:56.26 | abrotman | dam85: why is Vista slower than windows98 ? |
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| 11:56.59 | dam85 | °_° |
| 11:57.10 | dam85 | ustable is fasten then etch |
| 11:57.13 | stew | darius12: probably harmless becuase the files you are editing are going to be replaced when you run apt-get update again |
| 11:57.20 | dam85 | i'm talking about thunderbird |
| 11:57.30 | abrotman | dam85: you mean icedove? |
| 11:57.34 | dam85 | ops |
| 11:57.36 | dam85 | yes |
| 11:57.38 | dam85 | icedove |
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| 11:57.44 | darius12 | stew, right |
| 11:57.53 | dustybin | why o why does my PXE client say this: Starting NFS common utilities: statd failed! |
| 11:57.57 | mathbr | Hi there. I'm trying to rebuild poedit but it fails: http://pastebin.com/m72a0ea0b |
| 11:57.57 | mathbr | However, the build dependencies pulled in wxwidgets 2.8. How can I tell pkg-config this? |
| 11:58.01 | abrotman | dam85: look in the BTS (and stop hitting enter every third word) .. someone may have filed a bug about it being slow .. |
| 11:58.02 | dustybin | statd is running on my server |
| 11:58.08 | azrael_valedhel | abrotman: its debian3.1 kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 - old machine, I won't change the kernel because it may not work and this is a working webserver that needs to be live untill I get all the databases from it ;) all I want is to install some postgres things via aptitude, but aptitude always gives me trouble with the kernel - it wants to remove it (Those paquets will be REMOVED: kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386), I want it to stop doing this - |
| 11:58.10 | stew | darius12: and becuase of this, whatever you are trying to do isn't going to work |
| 11:58.18 | dam85 | BTS? |
| 11:58.32 | abrotman | azrael_valedhel: because it has to .. etch won't work with that kernel |
| 11:58.38 | mathbr | (Running Unstable here, up2date) |
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| 11:58.49 | abrotman | !btssmite dam85 |
| 11:58.49 | dpkg | beats dam85 around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if dam85 is running Unstable |
| 11:58.51 | azrael_valedhel | well, its sarge |
| 11:59.00 | abrotman | azrael_valedhel: paste the output |
| 11:59.02 | stew | azrael_valedhel: note that support for that version of debian was dropped a half a year ago |
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| 12:00.25 | darius12 | yes and it worked! /var/lib/dpkg was the location I wanted |
| 12:00.28 | azrael_valedhel | I know stew, and thats why we want to get new machine with etch, but for a little more time I need to work with it |
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| 12:00.41 | dam85 | when lenny will became stable? |
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| 12:00.51 | Buck | hai |
| 12:00.54 | stew | dam85: when it no longer has relelase critical bugs |
| 12:00.57 | abrotman | !tell dam85 about wwlr |
| 12:01.01 | stew | dam85: /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 12:01.01 | darius12 | this is the primary reason to like linux, you can always beat it into submission no matter what |
| 12:01.09 | abrotman | azrael_valedhel: paste the output .. i've asked twice already |
| 12:01.24 | Buck | when I ssh into my box using putty or securecrt, I only get the 16 ansi colours.. is it possible to get more colours so that I can enjoy my full vim colour schemes? |
| 12:01.49 | dam85 | ok |
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| 12:03.05 | mathbr | Buck: try exporting TERM=xterm-256color |
| 12:03.12 | mu532 | Buck: are vim colour schemes possible because vim uses ansi terminal type? |
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| 12:03.48 | azrael_valedhel | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d55dc03ef but its as much of a help like me saying it wants to remove the kernel |
| 12:04.15 | abrotman | azrael_valedhel: but postgresql-8.1 isn't in sarge |
| 12:04.22 | Buck | I did try that mathbr, but it didn't change anything.. support for that is enabled in putty though |
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| 12:04.33 | Buck | mu532: I told vim to use xterm-256color as well |
| 12:04.45 | azrael_valedhel | thats bad |
| 12:05.04 | mu532 | azrael_valedhel: not really. you have choices |
| 12:05.06 | azrael_valedhel | but 8.2 server works |
| 12:05.18 | mu532 | why not use that |
| 12:05.42 | abrotman | azrael_valedhel: why are you upgrading pgsql at all ? |
| 12:05.55 | azrael_valedhel | because I cant get pg |
| 12:06.02 | azrael_valedhel | *pg_dump to worj |
| 12:06.13 | abrotman | you mean in pgsql7.x ? |
| 12:06.17 | abrotman | the one that is in sarge? |
| 12:06.24 | azrael_valedhel | the same |
| 12:06.29 | abrotman | which same? |
| 12:06.49 | mu532 | the postgresql people are saying that later versions of pg_dump should work on earlier pgs |
| 12:07.03 | abrotman | the one in sarge should work |
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| 12:07.22 | mu532 | what do you mean "doesn't work" btw? |
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| 12:11.02 | mathbr | Buck: That's odd. I just tried and it works just fine. |
| 12:11.32 | Buck | mathbr: what colorscheme are you using in vim? |
| 12:11.35 | Buck | and what ssh client? |
| 12:11.44 | azrael_valedhel | okay, heres the situation so you know the problem - sarge server with 8.2 postgresql, I need to get those pg databases out of that machine, cause its going down soon, but - when trying to dump it to a file I get: http://pastebin.com/d14267cde - at #postgresql I was said it is because of the versions mismatch, so I try to update the pg_dump |
| 12:11.50 | MasterOfDisaster | I'd like to mount usb storage devices automatically, without having to create fstab entries manually. This is on a headless machine, so a minimal solution is desired. Furthermore, I'd like a persistent naming scheme for the mount points. |
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| 12:12.12 | mathbr | Buck: desert256 and Putty |
| 12:12.18 | MasterOfDisaster | Is usbmount a good idea, or should I go with ivman,hal,pmount? |
| 12:12.54 | Buck | mathbr: ah.. I guess my vim schemes aren't 256... I just tried a 256-er and it works! where can I get a 256 converter? |
| 12:13.07 | stew | azrael_valedhel: how did you install the postgresql 8.2 server? |
| 12:13.48 | mathbr | Buck: I don't think there's an automatic converter. The 256 ports are done manually most of the time (at least I guess). But don't take my word on this and better try searching for one. |
| 12:13.56 | azrael_valedhel | I didn't - someone else must have done this |
| 12:14.10 | Buck | mathbr: I'll search for one.. do you have a place where you get your schemes? |
| 12:15.06 | mathbr | Buck: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~maverick/VimColorSchemeTest/ is a good start most of the time. |
| 12:15.45 | Buck | I use that one mathbr, but they're not 256 colour ones.. but thank you, I'll keep searching.. at least it's working :D |
| 12:15.57 | stew | azrael_valedhel: so it seems like you'll need to get a copy of the 8.2 source so that you can compile a copy of pg_dump from 8.2 |
| 12:16.14 | mathbr | Buck: Ah yeah, no 256 ones there, sorry. I almost always use gvim. |
| 12:16.26 | Buck | I use gvim too, except when working on remote servers |
| 12:17.11 | stew | azrael_valedhel: or run pg_dump from 8.2/8.3 from some other machine |
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| 12:18.42 | azrael_valedhel | stew, abrotman: well, thanks for the patience, I'll probably have to update half of the system just to compile it - and will I be able to do this with this kernel remove aptitude nag everytime? :) |
| 12:18.42 | nirupama | will documents in other than english language show problem while printing |
| 12:18.57 | mathbr | Does somebody have an idea how I could fix my poedit building problem? I'd like to rule mistakes on my systems out before filing a bugreport. |
| 12:19.02 | stew | azrael_valedhel: you should upgrade to a 2.6 kernel before you start upgrading to etch |
| 12:19.07 | nirupama | does dot matrix printer should be configured for non english language printing |
| 12:19.13 | stew | azrael_valedhel: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 12:19.21 | nirupama | or its nothing to do with printer |
| 12:19.29 | stew | azrael_valedhel: do you have any etch machines? |
| 12:21.28 | azrael_valedhel | stew: its really old machine, I'm afraid to change the kernel cause its live and its out of my reach (cant just walk there and reboot it by hand if it crashes - at least not by few days) |
| 12:21.39 | nirupama | stew, can you reply |
| 12:21.42 | nirupama | anybdoy here |
| 12:21.45 | stew | nirupama: hi |
| 12:21.53 | nirupama | stew, hi are you from lsb |
| 12:22.03 | abrotman | azrael_valedhel: you should upgrade the kernel |
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| 12:22.24 | V4Nelle | guys there is any way to restore all services to default status? |
| 12:22.28 | stew | azrael_valedhel: why can't you run pg_dump from another machine? |
| 12:23.07 | nirupama | stew, ? |
| 12:23.17 | stew | nirupama: i don't know what you mean |
| 12:23.24 | stew | nirupama: so probably no, i'm not from lsb |
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| 12:23.29 | azrael_valedhel | stew: I'm installing postgresql on etch machine to do this :) |
| 12:23.31 | nirupama | stew, ok sorry |
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| 12:23.58 | stew | azrael_valedhel: note that you need 8.2/8.3 which aren't in etch, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 12:24.00 | azrael_valedhel | stew: sorry - I didn't catch what you ment at first ;) |
| 12:24.02 | nirupama | stew, I had a query.Does dot matrix perinter need some configuration for printing a document written in non english language |
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| 12:24.27 | stew | nirupama: i don't know anything about printers |
| 12:24.32 | mu532 | azrael_valedhel: you should be able to compile pg of most versions just fine... I do have some questions tho... have you built pg yourself and got it running? it's not that hard, but if you've gone through that process before, the experience is handy. also, had you considered upgrading? supporting sarge (except to say "you could build pg yourself") is harder these days |
| 12:24.41 | stew | printers are so 20th century... |
| 12:24.50 | abrotman | doing the dump from aonther machine seems his best option now |
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| 12:25.03 | abrotman | daddy, what's a printer? |
| 12:25.13 | mu532 | and my 20th century printer works just fine too... |
| 12:25.40 | mu532 | abrotman: hmm, that could work |
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| 12:26.00 | mu532 | has he said what he means by "doesn't work" yet? |
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| 12:27.38 | abrotman | mu532: he pasted the output |
| 12:27.55 | azrael_valedhel | mu532: thanks for the reply - yeah, the experience is always handy, but it wont be needed to gain it hopefully. I pasted the output of pg_dump before |
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| 12:28.17 | ^Elise | There is no taskbar in fluxbox |
| 12:28.33 | ^Elise | it was there some time ago, how do I put it back? |
| 12:29.00 | mathbr | Hm, I guess I'll file a bugreport. The maintainer should know a bit or two. |
| 12:29.13 | ^Elise | oh, i found it) |
| 12:31.42 | mu532 | ok, I see... the #pg folks said version mismatch |
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| 12:34.38 | quik__ | can I run a nfs share without any auth> |
| 12:35.04 | mu532 | if all you need is the databases off of it because you're replacing the machine, it's probably not worth doing a lot to it.... one thing you might consider is to tar up the whole database dir and untar it on another box with the right version of pg running |
| 12:35.08 | mu532 | then dump from there |
| 12:36.09 | mu532 | quik__: depends on /etc/exports on the server |
| 12:36.22 | quik__ | mu532: I have: |
| 12:36.35 | quik__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:37.59 | mu532 | so you can only mount it from a machine in the *.local domain |
| 12:38.05 | quik__ | sure |
| 12:38.31 | quik__ | I'm getting a "Could not connect to the server because the name or password is not correct" from my mac.. |
| 12:38.52 | mu532 | is your mac in that domain? |
| 12:39.04 | SidGBF | Guys, we're having a weird problem here... one our machines isn't "seeing" the local network... any suggestion about what to do? |
| 12:39.12 | mu532 | btw, how is that domain set up and served? |
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| 12:40.13 | quik__ | mu532: the mac serves that domain, I also tried 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 12:40.20 | quik__ | and also * |
| 12:40.24 | mu532 | perhaps the server doesn't think your mac is a *.local machine |
| 12:40.44 | mu532 | does the server use the mac as its dns server? |
| 12:40.58 | quik__ | no |
| 12:41.06 | quik__ | so I just changed the export back to * |
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| 12:41.22 | quik__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.23 | mu532 | did you restart the nfs daemons? |
| 12:41.41 | quik__ | yes, exportfs -a and /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart |
| 12:42.04 | mu532 | try to mount it on the server |
| 12:42.06 | doudou | I have no sound seems nothong for my audio card 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Unknown device 293e (rev 02) |
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| 12:42.34 | doudou | did i made a mistake buying intel chipset? |
| 12:42.46 | quik__ | mount.nfs: localhost:/Movies failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
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| 12:43.03 | mu532 | ok, find out why |
| 12:43.12 | kernnutz | hi whats a good server i can use to stream music from my main pc, debian to my laptop? also i would like to control the server thruogh a webinterface from my laptop any ideas? |
| 12:43.22 | quik__ | I'm acting as root.. so I can't imagine why |
| 12:43.25 | doudou | it is a asus motherboard, is it a mistake too? |
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| 12:43.44 | maligor | what chipset is it? |
| 12:43.52 | idimmu | kernnutz: my mate swears by mpd |
| 12:43.54 | abrotman | kernnutz: i think mpd has a web interface |
| 12:43.57 | mu532 | asus is pretty good |
| 12:43.59 | maligor | anyway, the integrated audio chips on those are always hda-intel |
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| 12:44.02 | abrotman | doudou: should be fine |
| 12:44.08 | abrotman | doudou: update-pciids |
| 12:44.27 | kernnutz | idimmu: abrotman thanks guys, im gonna check it out |
| 12:45.04 | mu532 | quik__: you have to find out definitively why it's happening (imagining why will help but only to come up with reasons to test) |
| 12:45.11 | kernnutz | wow |
| 12:45.14 | doudou | i did update-pciids but alsaconf says No supported PnP or PCI card found. |
| 12:45.17 | maligor | doudou, new boards tend to have issues because the mb manufacturers don't want to stick with specific audio codecs / configurations, and the hda-intel is way too lax |
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| 12:45.28 | abrotman | doudou: it should at least be able to tell you what the device is now |
| 12:45.28 | kernnutz | this is exactly what im after, thanks again abrotman and idimmu |
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| 12:45.38 | maligor | doudou, what chipset is it? |
| 12:45.39 | idimmu | sweet |
| 12:45.49 | doudou | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 12:45.52 | abrotman | better |
| 12:45.57 | idimmu | hey abrotman we helped someone! high five dood \o/ |
| 12:45.58 | abrotman | doudou: which version of debian? |
| 12:46.02 | doudou | 03:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RV620 Audio device [Radeon HD 34xx Series] |
| 12:46.07 | abrotman | idimmu: first time i've ever done that! |
| 12:46.11 | idimmu | :) |
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| 12:47.18 | doudou | how i find the version of debian? |
| 12:47.39 | abrotman | doudou: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 12:48.10 | abrotman | judd: versions libc6 |
| 12:48.11 | judd | abrotman: No package named libc6 found |
| 12:48.22 | abrotman | i keep breaking it! |
| 12:48.30 | asg | abrotman: stew has some more hacking to do it seems |
| 12:48.39 | simNIX | cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 12:48.42 | abrotman | asg: or he changed the interface from yesterday |
| 12:48.47 | abrotman | simNIX: that's nto what i'm after |
| 12:48.47 | asg | possible |
| 12:48.51 | simNIX | ok |
| 12:49.12 | stew | bah, i was in the middle of changing something :) |
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| 12:49.20 | abrotman | see! |
| 12:49.45 | doudou | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 12:50.20 | abrotman | doudou: the best you can try in etch is the etchnhalf kernel .. but i wouldn't even be sure that would make it work .. but it would be your first stop |
| 12:51.03 | stew | judd: versions libc6 |
| 12:51.03 | judd | stew: libc6: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 (etch) 2.7-13 (lenny) 2.7-13 (sid) 2.8+20080809-1 (experimental) |
| 12:51.38 | doudou | i found google saying try Try adding pci=noacpi as a boot option ?? do you beleive it could work? |
| 12:51.57 | abrotman | you can try whatever you would like |
| 12:54.09 | doudou | how to install the "etchnhalf kernel" ?? |
| 12:54.29 | mu532 | you need to do a small upgrade first |
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| 12:55.20 | abrotman | mu532: don't lie |
| 12:55.24 | abrotman | doudou: what's your CPU ? |
| 12:55.39 | mu532 | don't you need the newer modutils? |
| 12:56.02 | doudou | celeron 420 |
| 12:56.23 | abrotman | doudou: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf |
| 12:56.55 | enouf | whoa, my p2 350 spanks that celery ;-) |
| 12:57.00 | jelly | judd: who owns you |
| 12:57.01 | judd | jelly: Error: "who" is not a valid command. |
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| 12:57.08 | jelly | judd: what are you |
| 12:57.09 | judd | jelly: Error: "what" is not a valid command. |
| 12:57.16 | jelly | judd: you suck |
| 12:57.16 | judd | jelly: Error: "you" is not a valid command. |
| 12:57.22 | abrotman | enouf: that's a Celeron model 420 .. not 420Mhz |
| 12:57.23 | stew | jelly: its mine, its a supybot |
| 12:57.31 | jelly | stew: it sucks! :-) |
| 12:57.38 | enouf | abrotman: haha - oh well - my p2 still spanks it ;-) |
| 12:57.41 | stew | jelly: it doesn't really do anything except query a debian database |
| 12:57.46 | mu532 | and don't you need the proposed-updates source to get that kernel? |
| 12:57.57 | abrotman | enouf: uh .. no |
| 12:58.15 | abrotman | mu532: you can stop now |
| 12:58.27 | enouf | abrotman: well, atleast now i know it's not an older hardware issue :-P |
| 12:58.41 | stew | mu532: no |
| 12:58.41 | doudou | reboot |
| 12:58.41 | abrotman | enouf: yeah .. ICH9 isn't really in the same class as your PII :) |
| 12:58.57 | mu532 | how/when did that happen? |
| 12:58.59 | enouf | heh .. you pointy headed one you |
| 12:59.04 | stew | mu532: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
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| 13:07.08 | SidGBF | what's the multimedia repository anyway? |
| 13:07.25 | wols | !tell SidGBF about dmm |
| 13:07.38 | SidGBF | thanks |
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| 13:07.58 | doudou | abrotman it worked i have sound now |
| 13:08.11 | abrotman | doudou: oh .. i'm sorry |
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| 13:08.40 | doudou | you are sorry when users are happy? it would be terrible |
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| 13:09.02 | mu532 | polarity responder :) |
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| 13:09.07 | doudou | thanks very much |
| 13:09.07 | V4Nelle | can i find anywhere the default symlinks of /etc/rc*.d ? |
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| 13:10.28 | Henry-Nicolas | Hi, when my postfix server sent a bounce email (for eg. because a user reach is quota), there is no from address define, so the email is dropped from the destination smtp server. |
| 13:10.28 | Henry-Nicolas | Do you have any idea about how to set a bounce from address in the postfix config ? |
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| 13:11.06 | petemc | Henry-Nicolas: a bounce means it has an empty sender, thats what makes it a bounce |
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| 13:12.02 | arezey | how come file is outputting just "data" for png files? |
| 13:12.39 | arezey | oh great. |
| 13:12.39 | pi__ | oops |
| 13:12.39 | abrotman | arezey: and for jpg? |
| 13:12.40 | Henry-Nicolas | petemc : In my config, when a user is over quota, a 'non-delivery notification' is sent but I never receive it |
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| 13:12.40 | arezey | abrotman, jpg works |
| 13:12.40 | stew | Henry-Nicolas: yes, there is no from address to prevent the bounce from bouncing |
| 13:12.40 | abrotman | arezey: on etch ? |
| 13:12.44 | arezey | abrotman, on lenny |
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| 13:12.59 | jelly | Henry-Nicolas: how do you send the original mail? |
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| 13:13.17 | mu532 | that would be because your particular incarnation of file doesn't have the png signature |
| 13:13.25 | jelly | Henry-Nicolas: or, first things first, have you checked your mail logs? |
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| 13:13.41 | abrotman | arezey: that seems a bit odd |
| 13:13.41 | arezey | mu532, yeah i'm thinking the same and am wondering did debian leave it out for some reason.. |
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| 13:13.47 | adnc | how can i make sure a file created by a user is owned by him AND by a particular group? |
| 13:13.57 | abrotman | arezey: it does it here for me as well |
| 13:13.58 | Henry-Nicolas | jelly : The original mail is sent via KMail, I just set the quota of the destination box to 1 mo. |
| 13:13.58 | Henry-Nicolas | What I expect is a non delevery email telling me the user is over quota |
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| 13:14.16 | arezey | abrotman, hmm.. |
| 13:14.21 | Henry-Nicolas | jelly: it is just a test mail to force the non delevery email |
| 13:14.53 | mu532 | arezey: mine works: staff.png: PNG image data, 100 x 101, 1-bit colormap, non-interlaced |
| 13:14.59 | jelly | Henry-Nicolas: check your /var/log/mail.log (or /var/log/mail/mail.log) to see whether the DSN really gets sent, and where does it go to |
| 13:15.10 | arezey | mu532, you on etch/lenny? |
| 13:15.11 | abrotman | arezey: even the ones on wikipedia return 'data' |
| 13:15.22 | mu532 | it's probably etch |
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| 13:15.53 | SidGBF | is there a way to get the source of ffmpeg with apt-get? Debian's default install doesn't work with MP3... |
| 13:15.57 | enouf | i also gave him an ex in another channel - another way --> xxd -l 100 Grand_Central_Station_Main_Concourse_Rectilinear_projection_Jan_2006.png |
| 13:16.05 | enouf | 0000000: 8950 4e47 0d0a 1a0a 0000 000d 4948 4452 .PNG........IHDR |
| 13:16.13 | Henry-Nicolas | jelly : my logs tells me it was successfully sent but I never get it in my inbox |
| 13:16.28 | abrotman | SidGBF: where did you get ffmpeg? |
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| 13:16.56 | mmmmm | hi! |
| 13:16.56 | enouf | arezey: haha, mine says data as well from file output ;-) |
| 13:16.58 | jelly | Henry-Nicolas: successfully sent where? pastebin the relevant log lines, or last 50-100 lines of the logfile |
| 13:17.06 | arezey | hmmm. |
| 13:17.13 | abrotman | arezey: it's not just you .. and apparently not just that image |
| 13:17.17 | SidGBF | abrotman: Im asking where to get it... |
| 13:17.21 | arezey | yeah i can tell that |
| 13:17.24 | mmmmm | can anybody tell me how I can do install a fully encrypted system using debian? |
| 13:17.34 | abrotman | SidGBF: how can you not have it installed and know taht it doesn't work with mp3 ? |
| 13:17.36 | arezey | debian screwed something up :> |
| 13:18.03 | SidGBF | abrotman: Oh, now I got it, well, I apt-get it in our local server and it doesn't handled mp3 ._. |
| 13:18.18 | mu532 | foodtime... |
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| 13:18.30 | abrotman | !tell SidGBF about dmm |
| 13:19.04 | abrotman | arezey: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491146 |
| 13:19.04 | Henry-Nicolas | jelly : http://pastebin.com/d7788ea0 |
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| 13:19.24 | arezey | okay :D |
| 13:19.38 | SidGBF | abrotman: So, If I use apt-get install ffmpeg, having it, will work with mp3? |
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| 13:19.53 | abrotman | !tell SidGBF about why aptitude |
| 13:19.54 | arezey | hmm and seems there's a workaround. |
| 13:20.01 | abrotman | SidGBF: and read the instructions at the dmm site |
| 13:20.22 | SidGBF | abrotman: I already got dmm on |
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| 13:21.15 | kailash | sorry for interrupt,im setting up a repository in redhat, how to install the packages in debian from redhat repository |
| 13:21.19 | dpy | hi guys |
| 13:21.25 | dpy | does anyone know a way to print a complete .chm to .ps in one go? Using xchm here |
| 13:21.44 | abrotman | kailash: you want to make a debian repo? or use debian packages? |
| 13:22.23 | kailash | abrotman : i want packages from redhat repository to get installed in debain through script |
| 13:22.49 | MasterOfDisaster | ivman doesn't mount usb hdds with the configuration it comes with,,, ivman -d --nofork gives me this: |
| 13:22.51 | abrotman | kailash: install RPMs on Debian? |
| 13:22.55 | MasterOfDisaster | "Device /dev/sda5 won't be mounted because no mount policy was specified on volume or storage device and storage device does not appear to be removable" |
| 13:23.18 | abrotman | MasterOfDisaster: maybe you need to actually configure it |
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| 13:23.56 | MasterOfDisaster | abrotman: I have no idea how - the key responsible for mounting volumes seems to be there |
| 13:24.04 | abrotman | i'm sure it has documentation |
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| 13:25.44 | kailash | abortman: is it possible to build two repository one for debian and another for redhat on single OS(redhat) |
| 13:25.48 | enouf | abrotman: hrm, after reviewing the bug report you posted, i have a newer sid version installed - and i'm updating cache and upgrading file now, so no big deal, but what to others do? (Lenny and Etch users) unless it doesn't affect Etch versions? |
| 13:25.58 | abrotman | kailash: i'm sure |
| 13:26.02 | abrotman | erm |
| 13:26.12 | tosse | i want to install debian onto a system with a mvsas controller and it doesnt seem to be available in any installer, any suggestions how to solve this? |
| 13:26.15 | abrotman | !tell kailash about repository |
| 13:26.24 | abrotman | enouf: upgrade to RC!!! |
| 13:26.38 | enouf | arezey: Installed: 4.25-1 and Candidate: 4.26-1 should fix it |
| 13:26.39 | jelly | Henry-Nicolas: so check the logs on mx.pmes-info.com[212.166.45.235] to see what happened with that mail |
| 13:26.51 | abrotman | enouf: lenny doesn't have .26 |
| 13:26.58 | enouf | abrotman: i just want to know what to tell others :-/ |
| 13:27.02 | enouf | use the workaround? |
| 13:27.06 | abrotman | enouf: PNG is dying? :) |
| 13:27.07 | enouf | i know |
| 13:27.13 | arezey | yeah i'm using it know. |
| 13:27.16 | enouf | abrotman: no, that i don't know :-p |
| 13:27.16 | arezey | abrotman, hahah. |
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| 13:27.42 | jelly | Henry-Nicolas: repeat until you find out the mail server which eats your DSN :-) |
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| 13:27.51 | Henry-Nicolas | jelly : that's the problem, I'v no access to that server |
| 13:28.09 | arezey | how come different distros have differences in programs? |
| 13:28.14 | arezey | like, how come this bug is only in debian? |
| 13:28.14 | enouf | hah, the changelog mentions nothing about the issue :-p |
| 13:28.28 | arezey | shouldn't it affect other distros as well? ;) |
| 13:28.38 | jelly | Henry-Nicolas: ask their admin to look what happened to mail sent at time XXXX from XXXX to XXXX queue-id XXXX |
| 13:28.43 | tosse | the driver i need seem to be in linux 2.6.25, but all the installers are based on 2.6.24 |
| 13:29.23 | OpenTokix | whois tosse |
| 13:29.33 | tosse | OpenTokix: OT! :) |
| 13:29.42 | OpenTokix | =) |
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| 13:29.47 | OpenTokix | tosse: New intel-nic? |
| 13:30.00 | tosse | OpenTokix: nic is not the issue, the sas controller is |
| 13:30.06 | OpenTokix | oh |
| 13:30.11 | OpenTokix | Thats a bitch |
| 13:30.27 | enouf | arezey: depends, debian has it's own patches and maintainers, etc |
| 13:30.33 | OpenTokix | tosse: Beta3 will be 2.6.26 =) |
| 13:30.39 | arezey | hmm i see. |
| 13:30.47 | abrotman | arezey: or they're using a different version |
| 13:30.49 | enouf | arezey: it may have affected upstream - wherever or whatever that is |
| 13:31.03 | tosse | OpenTokix: got any suggestions how to get it working? :) |
| 13:31.39 | enouf | arezey: mine's fixed ;-) Jan_2006.png: PNG image, 2500 x 1287, 8-bit/color RGB, interlaced |
| 13:31.42 | OpenTokix | tosse: the SAS is the controller you are going to install on I guess? |
| 13:31.52 | arezey | what version of file you have? |
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| 13:32.04 | arezey | s/you have/have you got/ |
| 13:32.09 | tosse | OpenTokix: yeah, its a server blade |
| 13:32.12 | enouf | arezey: that latest - sid version though - wich release are you using? |
| 13:32.14 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 13:32.19 | arezey | 2.15 |
| 13:32.30 | arezey | er... 4.25 |
| 13:32.34 | enouf | arezey: ugh - etch, mine's 4.26-1 |
| 13:32.36 | enouf | oh |
| 13:32.37 | abrotman | that's the one in lenny |
| 13:32.37 | OpenTokix | tosse: I ead a howto... somewhere |
| 13:32.59 | enouf | arezey: file libmagic-dev libmagic1 |
| 13:33.14 | enouf | are what got upgraded from doing apt-get install file |
| 13:33.31 | SidGBF | Damn... whoever planned aptitude... this guy is good... |
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| 13:34.05 | arezey | well i have currently doing aptitude upgrade ;) (that one rare time i'm using aptitude hahah) |
| 13:34.30 | enouf | you don't have to upgrade the entire systme - but ok, whatever |
| 13:34.55 | enouf | and doesn't upgrade == safe-upgrade? as default? |
| 13:34.56 | arezey | well an upgrade per day keeps teh bugs away :D |
| 13:35.02 | arezey | dunno. |
| 13:35.05 | abrotman | lenny still doesn't have the fix |
| 13:35.12 | enouf | *smacks head* |
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| 13:35.54 | enouf | arezey: if you have no sid repos, you either a) do the workaround b) install direct or c) backport |
| 13:35.58 | OpenTokix | tosse: Did you try to boot with noacpi, then some controllers boot in legacy mode and is working - slow but working |
| 13:36.06 | arezey | or install from source. |
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| 13:36.17 | enouf | *smacks arezey* |
| 13:36.31 | enouf | that's what backporting is, basically - debian source |
| 13:36.35 | arezey | oh? |
| 13:36.53 | enouf | which source are you talking about? |
| 13:37.07 | enouf | arezey: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:37.11 | arezey | official file source package? :D |
| 13:37.13 | tosse | OpenTokix: lets try, im tftpbooting and i only got serial access as well :) |
| 13:37.32 | OpenTokix | hehe |
| 13:37.34 | arezey | alright. |
| 13:37.42 | OpenTokix | tosse: its a longshot, btw. |
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| 13:38.52 | SidGBF | Weird... I have dmm but can't find tovid |
| 13:39.18 | dustybin | stew: the problem was simple, my PXE client had lost its local loop back interface, everything works now :-) |
| 13:39.35 | dustybin | i deleted the /etc/udev rule what remembers my interfaces, then rebooted |
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| 13:41.55 | SidGBF | ._. |
| 13:42.04 | Firefishe | I'm running debian lenny, 2.6.26-1-686 kernel, on a Compaq Evo N600c, P-IIIm. My lspci output listing for the sound chip is: 02:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1988 Allegro-1 (rev 12). |
| 13:42.26 | Firefishe | I'm not getting sound.\ |
| 13:42.31 | mike0029 | I need to run the etchnhalf kernel to fix a couple of problems, but it causes my NIC to be unrecognized. Is there someplace I can go to learn how to compile a working driver for etchnhalf? |
| 13:42.45 | MasterOfDisaster | abrotman: ivman issue solved - I was unaware of debian' |
| 13:43.06 | abrotman | you sure found us! |
| 13:43.10 | MasterOfDisaster | s hal config and unaware of the debian wiki - sorry :) |
| 13:43.17 | Firefishe | hey abrotman |
| 13:43.21 | abrotman | runs |
| 13:43.26 | Firefishe | lol |
| 13:43.29 | stew | MasterOfDisaster: i think i documented that in /usr/share/doc/ivman/README.Debian as well |
| 13:43.30 | jelly | Firefishe: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 13:43.30 | stoned | good morning |
| 13:43.37 | Firefishe | jelly..tx |
| 13:44.10 | Firefishe | jelly: alsaconf is deprecated |
| 13:44.11 | stoned | approx. which kernel do you think will ship with lenny/ |
| 13:44.17 | jelly | shrugs |
| 13:44.23 | stoned | hm |
| 13:44.25 | MasterOfDisaster | stew: yeah, PEBKAC :) |
| 13:44.50 | stew | i need to give some tlc to ivman |
| 13:44.56 | Firefishe | jelly: This is a 2.6.26-1-686 kernel image...As to the sound problems, I don't have a clue. The alsa page says it's supported. |
| 13:44.58 | stew | or probably just orphan it |
| 13:45.03 | SidGBF | Where's tovid in Debian??? Even with DMM it doesn't find... |
| 13:45.07 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 13:45.09 | HardDisk_WP | i run a network server |
| 13:45.20 | HardDisk_WP | and there are clients connected to it |
| 13:45.28 | HardDisk_WP | then the server program had a bug and crashed |
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| 13:45.43 | HardDisk_WP | now there are some connections still open to the port |
| 13:45.47 | abrotman | stew: wasn't that your first pacakge? |
| 13:45.51 | HardDisk_WP | thus preventing bind() to work |
| 13:45.58 | HardDisk_WP | how do I force-close them? |
| 13:46.49 | jelly | Firefishe: "cat /proc/asound/cards" ? |
| 13:46.57 | stew | abrotman: yes |
| 13:47.35 | stew | abrotman: i can still sponsor the uploads after you take it over |
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| 13:48.02 | abrotman | stew: me? but then i'd lose my slacker image :) |
| 13:48.07 | stoned | stew, I'm gonna need to take you up on your offer |
| 13:48.22 | Firefishe | jelly...ah..one sec |
| 13:48.24 | Firefishe | tx |
| 13:48.36 | abrotman | stoned: i'd guess the .26 will ship with lenny .. lenny is fairly frozen |
| 13:48.40 | stoned | stew, I'm working on a few php framework packages etc. and probably tonight they would be ready if you can check them out |
| 13:48.51 | Firefishe | jelly: says no soundcards |
| 13:48.54 | stoned | abrotman, I figured as much |
| 13:49.12 | abrotman | stoned: besides taht the .27 hasn't even been released yet |
| 13:49.12 | arezey | enouf, backport works, thanks ;) |
| 13:49.16 | stoned | if you still wanna mentor me ! :) |
| 13:49.16 | mike0029 | I need to run the etchnhalf kernel to fix a couple of problems, but it causes my NIC to be unrecognized. Is there someplace I can go to learn how to compile a working driver for etchnhalf? |
| 13:49.23 | stew | stoned: try #debian-mentors |
| 13:49.28 | abrotman | and then it would have to go through sid .. bug testing .. blah blah foo foo |
| 13:49.28 | jelly | Firefishe: did the alsaconf command said what it was replaced by? |
| 13:49.33 | stoned | I was a bit dishearted after that SMC game packages |
| 13:49.37 | abrotman | (those are technical terms) |
| 13:49.47 | enouf | arezey: np |
| 13:49.51 | stoned | but I think its alright, I'll do it again. NowI know the proper way |
| 13:50.18 | stoned | fuckin man |
| 13:50.24 | stoned | 2 months of hard work down the drain |
| 13:50.26 | Firefishe | jelly: I can't use alsaconf, as alsaconf is deprecated. It'snot used on the newer distributions. I just dist-upgraded yesterday to lenny, and I'm completely upgraded. alsaconf isn't around anymore. |
| 13:50.47 | jelly | !find bin/alsaconf$ lenny |
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| 13:51.32 | stoned | lenny still has it |
| 13:51.34 | jelly | Firefishe: hmph, I still have it |
| 13:51.39 | abrotman | apt-file search bin/alsaconf |
| 13:51.39 | abrotman | alsa-utils: /usr/sbin/alsaconf |
| 13:51.49 | abrotman | from a lenny box |
| 13:51.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/alsaconf' (1): (/usr/sbin/alsaconf) in sound/alsa-utils. |
| 13:51.58 | abrotman | course .. deprecated doesn't mean removed |
| 13:52.03 | jelly | Firefishe: install alsa-utils, redo from start of the alsa checklist :-) |
| 13:52.16 | stew | who is deprecating alsaconf? |
| 13:52.25 | abrotman | no idea .. he keeps saying it is |
| 13:52.27 | Firefishe | I thought alsa was? |
| 13:52.31 | stoned | what? no |
| 13:52.40 | et | apt-file search bin/ls |
| 13:52.44 | Firefishe | the alsa-project has not deprecated the alsaconf script? |
| 13:52.46 | stoned | i have a sid box with alsaconf... |
| 13:52.49 | abrotman | oh .. maybe alsa will die and we can all use arts/esd! :) |
| 13:52.54 | stoned | ew |
| 13:52.57 | stoned | smacks abrotman |
| 13:53.05 | jelly | abrotman: without any lowlevel drivers! |
| 13:53.09 | abrotman | and you have to have them both installed for maxiumum effect! |
| 13:53.14 | stoned | heh |
| 13:53.17 | abrotman | installed and running |
| 13:53.18 | et | s#arts/esd#pulse# ;) |
| 13:53.26 | jelly | et: same shit |
| 13:53.43 | jelly | ${sound_system_of_the_month} |
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| 13:54.49 | ferret | alsaconf is pretty awful though ;p |
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| 13:55.07 | enouf | hurls OpenSound onto the masses |
| 13:55.16 | ferret | Often you can take a perfectly working alsa setup, run alsaconf, and end up with one that's totally broken |
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| 13:55.28 | enouf | dmesg | tail helps |
| 13:55.30 | jelly | ferret: we await your better and nicer replacement. |
| 13:55.32 | olivr | uhmm i have a little sony laptop, when i put it on the base ok when i take it out i g=et a kernel panic is that a known problem? |
| 13:55.38 | enouf | as well as a working ACPI :-O |
| 13:55.42 | ferret | jelly: Not running alsaconf |
| 13:55.53 | enouf | especially with a few sound cards :-p |
| 13:55.55 | liable | jelly: oss |
| 13:56.12 | SidGBF | Does anyone knows how to get tovid (idvid) in debian? apt-get install isn't finding the package O.o |
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| 13:56.27 | jelly | liable: they've taken oss to isengard! I mean, out of kernel. |
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| 13:56.46 | ferret | I don't think he means ossfree |
| 13:56.53 | SidGBF | liable: Were you the one building a netinst for eeepc? |
| 13:57.08 | enouf | olivr: that sounds /etc/acpi/<scripts> related? maybe the way when it switches from powered to battery mode? |
| 13:57.10 | dtoch | Hi! How can I install new version of python-django? 0.95 is too old... Only using 'unstable'? |
| 13:57.22 | olivr | im using the stable release |
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| 13:57.27 | liable | SidGBF: yes |
| 13:57.40 | SidGBF | liable: how's it today? |
| 13:57.42 | olivr | and the strace is pont to acpi to ill update |
| 13:57.44 | enouf | olivr: i really don't know laptops well though at all - and i don;t mess with s2ram/disk at all |
| 13:57.46 | olivr | etch im on |
| 13:58.14 | jelly | dtoch: first, look at "/msg dpkg backports"; next, you might be brave enough to try doing your own backport. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:58.18 | liable | SidGBF: it works. with a few caveats, see the wiki (26 kernel gives a few headaches for us) |
| 13:58.26 | enouf | all i can say is /msg dpkg laptop and follow the URLs for ideas? maybe check BTS and wiki.debian.org ? |
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| 13:58.32 | dtoch | jelly: Thanks! |
| 13:58.37 | SidGBF | liable: I saw the overheat thing... |
| 13:58.49 | abrotman | olivr: with both etch kernels? |
| 13:58.52 | enouf | olivr: are you using KDE at all? |
| 13:59.09 | olivr | nop.. on the .18 no x display |
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| 13:59.32 | enouf | olivr: oh, also check dmesg for errors when possiblw |
| 14:00.00 | enouf | oh, cool, no X on a craptop ;-) must be an old clunker :-p |
| 14:00.06 | abrotman | olivr: you could try the etchnhalf stuff |
| 14:00.14 | olivr | uhmmm nop its the latest sony |
| 14:00.17 | enouf | olivr: maybe yeah |
| 14:00.19 | abrotman | enouf: or it's a Sony and the screwed up half the hardware so none of it is standard |
| 14:00.23 | enouf | try a newer kernel |
| 14:00.36 | enouf | !blame Sony! |
| 14:00.36 | dpkg | blames jayaraj and Sony! for all the evil in the world |
| 14:00.36 | abrotman | !tell olivr about etchnhalf |
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| 14:01.04 | olivr | Cant i rename etch to unstable ? |
| 14:01.11 | enouf | no |
| 14:01.16 | abrotman | olivr: i'd try etchnhalf first |
| 14:01.24 | enouf | !break olivr |
| 14:01.25 | dpkg | tells olivr how to replace stable with unstable in his sources.list |
| 14:01.26 | olivr | i dont mind it crashing really. there are hourly backups |
| 14:01.30 | jayaraj | dpkg, why? |
| 14:01.31 | dpkg | jayaraj: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 14:01.42 | OpenTokix | olivr: Go for lenny, it is frozen |
| 14:01.46 | OpenTokix | olivr: and pretty nice |
| 14:01.47 | abrotman | olivr: really .. try the etchnhalf first |
| 14:02.01 | E-bola | Is there some secret to getting libstdc++5 installed on etch? |
| 14:02.03 | OpenTokix | etch n half is a nice path to |
| 14:02.36 | abrotman | olivr: lspci | grep VGA .. what's the video card? |
| 14:03.19 | jelly | E-bola: what seems to be the problem? It's in the repo. |
| 14:03.23 | olivr | nvidia geforece 7400 but the proble is with iots base nothing with the gfx card |
| 14:03.43 | SidGBF | Please, could someone help me with tovid? In tovid website, it would be in dmm, but it isnt... |
| 14:03.47 | jayaraj | enouf whu blame Sony and me????? |
| 14:03.49 | abrotman | olivr: i realize that |
| 14:03.50 | dtoch | jelly: .oO long life to debian! :) |
| 14:04.04 | E-bola | jelly: Depends: gcc-3.3-base (>= 1:3.3.6-15) but it is not going to be installed |
| 14:04.16 | abrotman | olivr: i was just asking for future reference |
| 14:04.30 | jelly | E-bola: my mirror has it. |
| 14:04.39 | olivr | ho.. ok. |
| 14:04.49 | enouf | jayaraj: it might just be dpkg randomness - no worries |
| 14:05.06 | jayaraj | oh! |
| 14:05.18 | jelly | E-bola: your sources.list might be incomplete, or you may have installed packages from some release other than etch in the past |
| 14:05.24 | olivr | ill try updating see what it gives. |
| 14:05.29 | enouf | !blame enouf |
| 14:05.29 | dpkg | blames HardDisk_WP and enouf for all the evil in the world |
| 14:05.40 | jelly | E-bola: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 14:05.46 | enouf | jayaraj: see how dpkg chose a random name? |
| 14:05.51 | jayaraj | ok |
| 14:05.58 | E-bola | Well i think my sources have it, but it seems reluctant to install gcc-3.3 |
| 14:06.05 | jayaraj | thats a new thing for me |
| 14:07.02 | jelly | E-bola: please paste the output of the above command |
| 14:07.15 | E-bola | jelly: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 14:07.29 | E-bola | is that not that std. libc for etch? |
| 14:07.36 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, ?! |
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| 14:07.58 | ktwilight__ | don't listen to enouf, he's mental :) |
| 14:07.59 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: it's a joke, no worries, random names chosen by dpkg ;-) |
| 14:08.01 | jelly | E-bola: looks like it. pastebin apt-cache policy gcc-3.3-base libstdc++5, and your sources.list? |
| 14:08.22 | olivr | need to get 1300mo of packages ... |
| 14:08.25 | olivr | :-( |
| 14:08.25 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, ah it uses random names...well it's disturbing i think... |
| 14:08.34 | HardDisk_WP | thought my girlfriend wrote me |
| 14:08.42 | ktwilight__ | haha |
| 14:08.54 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: i was just showing jayaraj how it works, and blamed myself - and you got chosen - now quit whining :-P |
| 14:08.55 | ktwilight__ | your gf went away with enouf ;P |
| 14:08.56 | jayaraj | !blame ktwilight__ |
| 14:08.56 | dpkg | blames kjs and ktwilight__ for all the evil in the world |
| 14:09.02 | HardDisk_WP | ah k |
| 14:09.03 | E-bola | jelly: http://pastebin.com/m4aba64ae |
| 14:09.10 | ktwilight__ | haha |
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| 14:09.37 | abrotman | jayaraj: it stops being funny after awhile ... |
| 14:09.41 | E-bola | jelly: i guess im just wondering if its safe to install gcc 3.3 |
| 14:09.41 | jayaraj | so at the end all will share the blame |
| 14:10.02 | jelly | E-bola: gcc-3.3-base != gcc 3.3 |
| 14:10.18 | jelly | E-bola: can you install it with aptitude? |
| 14:10.44 | E-bola | jelly: I asume so, im just a bit scared installed it, sicne its a relatively important system package? Im afraid i will break something |
| 14:10.46 | jelly | E-bola: (I mean, the command line, aptitude install libstdc++5) |
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| 14:11.16 | E-bola | ok its setup |
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| 14:11.33 | E-bola | i guess i thought it wanted to upgrade libc, so i must have miss understood one of the prompts |
| 14:11.47 | hypnox | can anyone here help me with lockup issues running VMware (any version) on etch? on AMD64 hardware? |
| 14:11.51 | E-bola | "aptitude install libstdc++5" installed libstdc++5 along with gcc-3.3-base |
| 14:12.09 | hypnox | or, has anyone done that successfully |
| 14:12.17 | jelly | E-bola: so there. btw, why did you want libstdc++5 in the pfirst place? |
| 14:12.58 | E-bola | jelly: thanks for your help. I needed it to install an antivirus program called bitdefender |
| 14:12.59 | jayaraj | yea abortman, its not really funny! |
| 14:13.11 | abrotman | yeah .. abortman thinks so too |
| 14:14.03 | vsd | good firefox extension for blocking flash? |
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| 14:14.33 | Firefishe | My brian is fried today: If I wanted to add myself to the audio group, what's the command syntax? adduser username groupname ?? |
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| 14:15.07 | stew | Firefishe: yes |
| 14:15.30 | Firefishe | stew...thanks |
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| 14:15.55 | Firefishe | stew: what command do I use to list the users in a certain group? |
| 14:16.04 | abrotman | groups |
| 14:16.07 | abrotman | or id |
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| 14:16.51 | Firefishe | abrotman: I did groups by itself, and it gave me, what I assume to be, the groups available on my system. |
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| 14:17.06 | abrotman | no |
| 14:17.10 | stew | well 'getent group groupname' would get you a list of people in a group, but it misses people who have that as their primary group (which probably wouldn't be any for audio) |
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| 14:17.22 | stew | Firefishe: it gave you the groups that you are in |
| 14:17.29 | Firefishe | oh...ok |
| 14:17.32 | Firefishe | then I'm in audio |
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| 14:19.26 | SidGBF | Some projects should die... Please, "deb http://tovid.sf.net/download/debian unstable contrib" doesn't work, saying that 302 found in the gz file |
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| 14:21.05 | olivr | SidGBF at least its not MSWORM_32 |
| 14:21.19 | SidGBF | lol |
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| 14:22.36 | SidGBF | http://paste.debian.net/17383/ |
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| 14:23.35 | olivr | i cant help there i don't have Xorg installed |
| 14:23.55 | SidGBF | olivr: ??? |
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| 14:24.36 | abrotman | SidGBF: you need to read the instructions at backports.org |
| 14:24.42 | abrotman | erm .. at debian-multimedia.org |
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| 14:26.01 | SidGBF | abrotman: ok, and the other error... the "302 found"? |
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| 14:29.11 | mike0029 | my original xorg.conf had the correct refresh rate and looked good, but dragging windows was VERY choppy. After I reconfigure xserver-xorg, the choppyness goes away but the refresh rate gets stuck at 76hz (from 60) and everything is blurry. Any ideas? |
| 14:29.20 | abrotman | SidGBF: fix the first one first |
| 14:29.34 | SidGBF | I did |
| 14:29.38 | SidGBF | still the same |
| 14:30.47 | Firefishe | stew, abrotman: thanks for the help. I have a class,now, so I have to be going...hopefully, with more sound. ;) |
| 14:30.48 | Firefishe | ta |
| 14:31.12 | abrotman | in class? |
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| 14:31.46 | abrotman | SidGBF: paste your sources.list |
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| 14:34.07 | SidGBF | http://paste.debian.net/17384/ |
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| 14:34.54 | jelly | abrotman: it's not like he's going to be able to fix apt's inability to follow 30x HTTP responses anyway |
| 14:35.14 | olivr | 301 is moved perm |
| 14:35.37 | abrotman | jelly: the files are there |
| 14:35.58 | abrotman | though why he's trying to use stable packages on testing .. NFC |
| 14:36.10 | olivr | wget -r files && dpkg --instal-force-all * |
| 14:36.15 | olivr | ;) |
| 14:36.52 | jelly | abrotman: it's... an... apt... bug! blah.sf.net redirects to blah.sourceforge.net |
| 14:36.55 | abrotman | jelly: oh duh |
| 14:36.58 | SidGBF | Mind note: stop using packages maintened by dumb people... |
| 14:37.01 | abrotman | i just realized that |
| 14:37.13 | jelly | a rather old one, too |
| 14:37.13 | abrotman | SidGBF: change it to tovid.sourceforge.net |
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| 14:37.41 | abrotman | SidGBF: and stop trying to destroy your system by using stable packages on testing |
| 14:37.48 | olivr | and its not the package maintainers fault |
| 14:37.51 | jelly | nah, let him. :-) |
| 14:37.51 | abrotman | SidGBF: actually .. |
| 14:37.52 | abrotman | wait |
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| 14:38.30 | jelly | olivr: and please don't suggest people to do stupid things, even jokingly |
| 14:38.31 | SidGBF | olivr: It is more than 1 year that the project changed places and the official docs still wrong |
| 14:38.43 | abrotman | SidGBF: just wait |
| 14:38.55 | SidGBF | apt-get update worked now... |
| 14:39.14 | jelly | SidGBF: perhaps noone told them to fix the docs? |
| 14:39.52 | SidGBF | that reminds my mind note ._. |
| 14:40.22 | abrotman | SidGBF: your computer is going to break very badly in a few months |
| 14:40.33 | SidGBF | abrotman: why? |
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| 14:40.53 | jelly | checks the number of hundreds of known apt bugs |
| 14:41.15 | abrotman | http://paste.debian.net/17385/ |
| 14:41.17 | SidGBF | abrotman: due to testing packages? |
| 14:41.48 | abrotman | is done |
| 14:42.18 | SidGBF | the system is etch |
| 14:42.33 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 14:42.42 | SidGBF | Don't ask me why, cause i don't know too, it is lenny there |
| 14:42.50 | jelly | :dbugs 79002 |
| 14:42.56 | jelly | !dbugs 79002 |
| 14:42.57 | SidGBF | Im not the sys admin, Im just installing ffmpeg |
| 14:42.59 | dpkg | #79002:W[apt] [methods/http] http method should support HTTP redirects (); Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:03:05 UTC [178854 479350] |
| 14:43.15 | jelly | that's last millennium! |
| 14:43.20 | olivr | ll |
| 14:43.23 | abrotman | jelly: send a patch! |
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| 14:43.55 | jelly | abrotman: ya know, I think I started writing one in '05 or '06, looked at apt code and ran away screaming |
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| 14:45.11 | abrotman | jelly: heh |
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| 14:46.38 | abrotman | jelly: let's get jarick to do it! |
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| 14:47.15 | SidGBF | Damned freaking tool] |
| 14:47.19 | ukl | hi. when using apt-pinning to include one or two unstable packages in an otherwise testing-system, how should "aptitude upgrade" (or "U" in aptitude after "u") behave? It seems to me like it would try to update everything to unstable, which is not what I'd appreciate... |
| 14:47.39 | SidGBF | mplayer requires an item... I have a newer one and it doesn't uses it |
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| 14:48.52 | doublehp | i store the password of my server in a text file; if i copy/paste over ssh, it works. When i try to type it with hands on the machine, it fails. any clue ? when i type it as login, letters show well (not a layout problem) |
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| 14:50.03 | SidGBF | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.18 | abrotman | paste your sources.list |
| 14:51.13 | doublehp | SidGBF: paste compleet message in pastebin; i suspect you did not run "aptitute update" ; also try "apt-get update" (because it may reveal secrets aptitude sometimes hide ) |
| 14:51.34 | SidGBF | I did and got no errors |
| 14:51.56 | abrotman | paste your sources.list |
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| 14:52.46 | jafn | hi all |
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| 14:53.27 | SidGBF | http://paste.debian.net/17386/ |
| 14:53.46 | abrotman | stop mixing lenny and testing .. you're going to break your system |
| 14:53.56 | abrotman | and why do you have ubuntu sources there? |
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| 14:54.19 | abrotman | if you're not going to listen to us .. why are you asking us for help? |
| 14:54.28 | SidGBF | As I said "Don't ask me why, cause i don't know too, it is lenny there" |
| 14:55.15 | SidGBF | You posted a line with everything lenny,I fixed to it O.o |
| 14:55.17 | abrotman | the ubuntu sources weren't there before |
| 14:55.21 | abrotman | you did not fix it |
| 14:55.26 | abrotman | you're ignoring me .. while adding more sources |
| 14:55.30 | SidGBF | http://paste.debian.net/17385/ |
| 14:55.42 | SidGBF | abrotman: I selected whole file now |
| 14:55.51 | SidGBF | even the joe header is there |
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| 14:57.10 | abrotman | so now the ubuntu sources are gone? |
| 14:57.32 | SidGBF | they are commented, I didn't added them and won't uncommend nor remove them |
| 14:57.44 | SidGBF | When I add something I put SGBF over it |
| 14:58.00 | abrotman | someone added them |
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| 14:58.25 | SidGBF | I dunno who was the dumbfuck, Im just a phpdev trying to make idvid work |
| 14:58.40 | abrotman | probably the person with a root password .. like you |
| 14:58.51 | abrotman | whatever mplayer you're trying to install thinks it's on etch |
| 14:58.53 | SidGBF | I have sudo... |
| 14:59.03 | SidGBF | now, with the new file, that you said me to get, apt-get install tovid worked as you said |
| 14:59.29 | SidGBF | but I didn't installed yet cause you asked me to wait |
| 14:59.29 | doublehp | how do i ask sshd to regen keys ? i removed /etc/ssh/ssh_host_* and restarted the service, hoping it would create keys aotmoatically because theya re missing, but it does not. How to i recreate keys ? |
| 14:59.36 | SidGBF | so, may I install it now/ |
| 14:59.40 | SidGBF | so, may I install it now? |
| 14:59.44 | stew | doublehp: dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
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| 15:01.35 | SidGBF | started it |
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| 15:02.47 | test | what would I have to put in an xmodmap file to make it so that shift + keycode49 would be the bar character? |
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| 15:04.40 | stew | test: what do you want the unshifted 49 to do? |
| 15:04.53 | test | backslash |
| 15:04.58 | test | long story |
| 15:05.01 | jelly | test: I have no idea, but xkeycaps would probably help :-) |
| 15:05.12 | stew | test: "keycode 49 backslash bar" |
| 15:05.21 | stew | err |
| 15:05.24 | stew | test: "keycode 49 = backslash bar" |
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| 15:06.55 | trumpen | apt-cache rdepends $pack shows the packages (even if not installed) which depend on $pack. How can I restrict the search to the installed ones only? |
| 15:09.20 | stew | trumpen: aptitude search '~i~R$pack' |
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| 15:17.06 | trumpen | stew, thanks ;) |
| 15:17.20 | smacnay | ok, I got an email from my brother with attached "pictures" but all attachments (there are 5) are called "winmail.dat" - Is this some sort of Win Vista attachment archive that needs to be decompressed/decoded? |
| 15:17.25 | smacnay | never seen this before. |
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| 15:18.16 | zinx | smacnay: google it :P |
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| 15:19.08 | smacnay | zinx, thanks - will do |
| 15:19.10 | Crypticfortune | ok, shocking insecurity of rsh aside, "rsh boxb uname" from boxa works for normal users, but not for root (it comes up in auth.log as simply "rsh denied to root@boxa as root: Permission denied." How can I bludgeon the security-sense out of it? |
| 15:19.31 | zinx | smacnay: (i say that because the first hit is useful) |
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| 15:21.06 | joltcan | Crypticfortune: If I were coding stuff for rsh, then I would not allow root anywhere. Could be in PAM or the binaries themselfs |
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| 15:22.48 | philip___ | My VI enters A, B, etc when I use the arrow keys during insert mode. How can that be? |
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| 15:23.34 | maligor | probably in vi mode |
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| 15:23.57 | maligor | try starting with vim, if that's what you have installed |
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| 15:24.03 | philip___ | Hmm. I just open vi as I use to, and then press "i" for the insert mode... |
| 15:24.08 | philip___ | Just a sec trying :) |
| 15:25.03 | Crypticfortune | joltcan: i'd understand the desire to hardcode that into rsh-server, but it works in etch and not in lenny, and there's nothing in /usr/share/doc/rsh-server/changelog* mentioning anything like that... |
| 15:25.12 | test | stew: thanks! That did it |
| 15:25.36 | philip___ | maligor: Can the reason be that I only have VI (and not VIM) installed? |
| 15:25.46 | maligor | I don't think debian ships vi |
| 15:26.27 | maligor | I think the original is proprietary |
| 15:26.51 | jMCg | It ships nvi. And a stripped version of vim, both of which still don't suck as much as vi |
| 15:26.53 | smacnay | zinx, I guess I am scuppered. |
| 15:27.16 | maligor | I think the default install does a stripped down version of vim |
| 15:27.22 | jMCg | vim-tiny |
| 15:27.44 | philip___ | Hmm. I somehow aborted the apt-get before it got started. But now it says that the "Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?" - How do I unlock it? |
| 15:28.13 | stew | philip___: i'd recommend installing vim-tiny or vim-full then running "update-alternatives --config vi" to set vim as the default vi |
| 15:28.26 | stew | maligor: it install nvi, not vim |
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| 15:28.27 | philip___ | ok ill try that |
| 15:28.48 | maligor | oh.. how cruel |
| 15:29.12 | philip___ | stew: Is there any particular reason why I should install full rather than tiny? :) |
| 15:29.41 | maligor | philip___, it has syntax highlights and such over tiny I think |
| 15:29.53 | philip___ | ok ill go for full then :) |
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| 15:30.01 | jMCg | maligor: -full comes with.. even more... too much. |
| 15:30.34 | maligor | add 'syntax on' in ~/.vimrc if you want to use syntax highlight |
| 15:30.47 | maligor | unless it enables automatically these days |
| 15:31.07 | jMCg | apt-cache show vim-full|grep Depend |
| 15:31.14 | kjs | anyone know a NAS backup solution? |
| 15:31.38 | jMCg | As opposed to just vim. |
| 15:31.49 | maligor | oh.. yes, I have vim-nox installed |
| 15:31.53 | n3kl | kjs: freenas I hear is pretty good |
| 15:32.07 | philip___ | gah. my backspace key does the same as the delete key :| |
| 15:32.12 | maligor | vim-nox is the version without gnome |
| 15:32.13 | n3kl | kjs: combined with bakula |
| 15:32.18 | joltcan | Crypticfortune: I would have a look at /etc/pam.d and see if there are any restrictions in there, or just migrate over to ssh |
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| 15:33.09 | kjs | n3kl: looking at that and nasbackup.com |
| 15:33.22 | kjs | n3kl: what hardware would be needed for this? |
| 15:33.36 | jMCg | maligor: oh.. cool. |
| 15:33.49 | n3kl | kjs: well, a nas |
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| 15:34.44 | cedric3 | hi can you tell me pleaser if there are a patch security for bind please (porblem security Dan Kaminsky) |
| 15:35.03 | n3kl | kjs: its up to you how you do it. Every single backup solution I have ever seen has been slightly different tailored for the environment. |
| 15:35.29 | kjs | they hate changing tapes... so need to find some nas solution |
| 15:35.56 | n3kl | kjs: so build a nas. Its not terribly difficult |
| 15:36.00 | stew | cedric3: yes, this was patched before he made the announcement: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1603 |
| 15:36.45 | cedric3 | stew : if i want to update this there a de debian package ? |
| 15:36.57 | cedric3 | i don't know how i can do to update bind |
| 15:36.59 | stew | cedric3: what do you mean by "de debian" ? |
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| 15:37.15 | stew | cedric3: show us the output of "apt-cache policy bind bind9" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:37.27 | ferret | hi; apt-get source doesn't work because it says dpkg-source is not found. That program seems to be in dpkg-dev. Trying to install that wants to install C and C++ compilers and junk that I don't want. I just want a convenient way of getting the source of the exact version of something that is currently installed. |
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| 15:38.19 | n3kl | ferret: do you have a deb-src line in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 15:38.37 | stew | ferret: "apt-get source pacakgename" gets the source. if you don't want to use dpkg-source to extract it, you can extract the .orig.tar.gz and apply the .diff.gz by hand |
| 15:38.59 | stew | where 'by hand' means just running zcat ...diff.gz | patch |
| 15:39.08 | ferret | yes, I have deb-src lines |
| 15:39.11 | cedric3 | stew : yo ucan see on : http://pastebin.com/m4013bf3 |
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| 15:39.51 | stew | cedric3: oh, you are running sarge which is no longer supported and therefore is no longer getting security updates. you should upgrade to etch: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 15:39.52 | ferret | I'm happy to use dpkg-source to extract it |
| 15:39.57 | ferret | That sounds like it would save a lot of effort |
| 15:40.06 | ferret | But why does it need a C++ compiler to do that? |
| 15:40.26 | cedric3 | stew : there are not patch bind for sarge debian ????????? |
| 15:40.50 | stew | cedric3: correct. there is no patch, sarge security support ended in april, 2008 |
| 15:41.15 | cedric3 | stew : i must download the source and patch :-( |
| 15:41.25 | stew | ferret: sudo aptitude install --without-recommends dpkg-dev |
| 15:41.39 | ferret | stew: Thanks, I will try that. |
| 15:41.40 | stew | cedric3: you should upgrade to etch. there are other security problems with sarge |
| 15:42.19 | cedric3 | stew : if i make and update form sarge to etch the patch is automatiquely installed it's on the laste bedian bind package include? |
| 15:42.27 | stew | cedric3: yes |
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| 15:42.41 | stew | cedric3: along with fixes to all thses: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/ |
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| 15:43.18 | stew | cedric3: sarge is missing any of the fixes on that page that happened after april |
| 15:43.41 | ferret | stew: That looks a lot more sane, thank you. |
| 15:44.25 | cedric3 | stew ; ok but i make and apt-get update -etch source) after apt-get upgrade and i must add a source security ok ? and when i make an upgrade this secuirty problem is patched automatiquely ? |
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| 15:45.37 | stew | cedric3: i don't know what you mean by "make and apt-get update -etch source". i'm telling you you should upgrade to etch, and the way to upgrade from sarge to etch is detailed here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
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| 15:46.54 | cedric3 | stew : i summary my question . i make ans upgrade form sarge to etch ok . after i make this manipulation my system is on etch but i must install a patch or is automatiquely on the migration form sarge to etch |
| 15:47.03 | philip___ | How do I get an overview over which apt packages are outdated? |
| 15:48.32 | stew | cedric3: it would be automatic as long as you have security.debian.org in your sources.list |
| 15:48.32 | stew | philip___: aptitude search '~U' |
| 15:48.32 | cedric3 | stew : ok thanks i know now |
| 15:48.32 | cedric3 | veyr thanks |
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| 15:56.11 | cedric3 | stew : just laste question i read there are a backport package debian bind fo this patch security |
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| 15:57.32 | stew | cedric3: no, debian stopped supporting sarge |
| 15:58.00 | cedric3 | ok ok :) |
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| 15:58.33 | jelly | cedric3: it's not very hard to make a backport of bind9 yourself |
| 15:58.47 | jelly | cedric3: using the procedure in /msg dpkg ssb |
| 15:58.55 | cedric3 | jelly : i don(t know how i do that |
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| 15:59.29 | jelly | cedric3: you were just pointed to the instructions |
| 15:59.31 | cedric3 | jelly : i don(t have the message on private can you retry please |
| 15:59.46 | jelly | cedric3: type "/msg dpkg ssb" yourself |
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| 16:00.26 | LamerC | I'm having a 'small' problem lately in debian. When X starts up and the login screen appears, it is very low resolution (looks like 640x480 or maybe 800x600). |
| 16:00.53 | jelly | cedric3: I'd suggest you make step 1) use "etch" instead of "sid", though. |
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| 16:01.06 | stew | i'd suggest you just upgrade to etch |
| 16:01.11 | LamerC | If I log in and try to change resolution, no other resolutions are available. However I can ctrl+alt+backspace at the login and when it restarts it is correct again. |
| 16:01.20 | Crypticfortune | LamerC: your X drivers are probably not set up properly. what kind of graphics card are you using? |
| 16:01.22 | stew | LamerC: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 16:02.25 | LamerC | xserver-org not available |
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| 16:02.47 | Crypticfortune | LamerC: try it without the typo (note "xorg") |
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| 16:03.45 | oblong | Has anybody heard of/is familiar with the "ACPI: INVALID PBLK LENGTH 5" on a totally new installation? Or with an Asus motherboard? I can't even seem to find what PBLK stands for. |
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| 16:07.00 | LamerC | One more thing is I can't set mode 1280x960, even when I add it to xorg.conf. When I select to change screen resolution I just get 1280x1024 and some other options, but not 1024x960 |
| 16:07.24 | stew | LamerC: you'd have to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand then (man xorg.conf) |
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| 16:09.28 | Crypticfortune | LamerC: that sound suspiciously like the i810 resolution issue. maybe check out the 915resolution package? |
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| 16:09.38 | JyZyXEL | whats the backports.org mirror line for sources.list? |
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| 16:11.33 | tech0923 | After installing libflash-mozplugin.so -and- libflashplayer.so I still cannot play Flash in Iceweasel. Is there something else I need? |
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| 16:11.57 | jelly | JyZyXEL: ... visit the nice web page, click on the Instructions link... |
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| 16:14.56 | abrotman | jelly: let's go shopping! |
| 16:15.06 | abrotman | tech0923: lenny/sid? |
| 16:15.18 | tech0923 | Abbas, etch (etchnhalf) |
| 16:15.27 | jelly | abrotman: mommy needs new shoes |
| 16:15.28 | abrotman | ah nope .. no idea |
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| 16:18.38 | jelly | tech0923: i386? there should be a flashplugin-nonfree in backports.org |
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| 16:19.59 | jelly | who put unicodey smileys on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi ? |
| 16:20.08 | jelly | eg. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=flashplugin-nonfree;dist=unstable |
| 16:20.16 | tech0923 | jelly, I have libflash-mozplugin installed. I dont see a nonfree. |
| 16:20.27 | binrap | Hmm I am afraid that I broke something after xinetd and removing it |
| 16:20.37 | binrap | Does it break the normal inetd settings? |
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| 16:21.37 | adama__ | jelly: I'm going to blame abrotman |
| 16:21.40 | jelly | tech0923: my apologies, I have no idea how that one works, so I'm suggesting a non-free alternative. You'll have to configure your sources.list for backports.org |
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| 16:22.06 | tech0923 | jelly, I've got deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ etch-backports main |
| 16:22.24 | jelly | tech0923: add " contrib non-free" to that line |
| 16:22.49 | tech0923 | I get a GPG error when i do an update |
| 16:23.02 | binrap | WARNING: you don't have an init script for the original inetd anymore! You may need to reinstall the netkit-inetd package to get it back. |
| 16:23.06 | binrap | Where is that stored? |
| 16:23.08 | tech0923 | works anyway |
| 16:23.11 | binrap | ;[ |
| 16:23.20 | binrap | /etc/inetd.conf? |
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| 16:23.47 | enouf | binrap: just reinstall the pkg, or /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 16:24.11 | tech0923 | jelly, I installed flashplugin-nonfree but I still cant view flash after restarting iceweasel |
| 16:24.20 | thirst | hi guys |
| 16:24.43 | binrap | enouf it's on a dedicated server so I'm afraid of ruining SSH and stuff |
| 16:24.55 | binrap | SSH doesn't run via inetd does it? |
| 16:25.21 | jelly | tech0923: does iceweasel find "Shockwave Flash" plugin? about:plugins |
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| 16:25.44 | tech0923 | jelly, yep |
| 16:25.52 | enouf | binrap: i don't know so i won't advise then |
| 16:25.53 | jescis | What package do I need to install to get "db.h"? |
| 16:26.06 | jelly | tech0923: if it finds that other libflash stuff, too, remove it |
| 16:26.09 | tech0923 | jelly, File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 9.0 r124 |
| 16:26.16 | tech0923 | thats all it finds now |
| 16:26.26 | jelly | tech0923: that sounds right |
| 16:27.19 | tech0923 | jelly, oh.. i was testing with youtube. youtube still wont play, but other flash on websites will |
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| 16:27.36 | tech0923 | youtube's player works fine on my old ubuntu install |
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| 16:28.11 | binrapt | enouf well how do I find out :[ |
| 16:28.13 | jelly | tech0923: it worksforme with old iceweasel 2.0.0.whatever and an older flash 9.0 r115 |
| 16:28.13 | LamerC | The reconfigure seems to have fixed the initial startup resolution problem. |
| 16:28.47 | thirst | any good link to installing ATI drivers on debian ? |
| 16:28.50 | LamerC | But even with xorg.conf containing "1280x960" for each of the depths, it is not available under the Screen Resolution changer |
| 16:29.02 | binrapt | There's the /etc/init.d/ssh script hm |
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| 16:34.28 | jescis | is trying to instal bdb-0.6.4 |
| 16:34.44 | jelly | jescis: you're sick |
| 16:34.54 | jescis | jelly, why? |
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| 16:35.12 | jelly | 4-5 versions of bdb already in the disdtro aren't enough, you have to get more?! |
| 16:35.40 | jescis | I need the newer one for rbot |
| 16:35.56 | jelly | when will the madness stop |
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| 16:36.16 | jescis | which I've installed from source |
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| 16:36.51 | jelly | and it doesn't work with anything older? |
| 16:36.58 | jescis | no |
| 16:37.10 | jelly | feh |
| 16:37.34 | jelly | I guess you'll have to build some ruby-bdb connector, too? |
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| 16:38.28 | pmatulis | can debmirror sync a remote directory containing just a bunch of debs and Packages files or does it need to have a specific directory structure? |
| 16:38.42 | jelly | wait... you said 0.6.4 |
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| 16:39.04 | jescis | jelly, yeah |
| 16:39.39 | lolufail | hi |
| 16:39.53 | jelly | jescis: nevermind me then, I have no idea what that bdb is :-) |
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| 16:40.10 | jelly | doesn't sound like Berkeley DB |
| 16:40.19 | jescis | jelly, berkeley database |
| 16:40.56 | jelly | jescis: those guys are at 4.7 |
| 16:41.06 | lolufail | my NFS isn't working properly: after using it with bittorrent, the nfs-kernel-server appears to crash, I have to restart the whole server to get it to work again! |
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| 16:41.12 | jescis | from ruby-lang.org |
| 16:41.28 | jelly | oh, then that _is_ the ruby-bdb connector |
| 16:41.33 | lolufail | I get this on the server when I try to mount it from a client: nfssvc: Setting version failed: errno 16 (Device or resource busy) |
| 16:41.49 | jelly | jescis: isn't it available via gem? |
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| 16:42.16 | jescis | jelly, I get an error... |
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| 16:43.26 | jescis | dbhash.rb:9: rbot couldn't load the bdb module |
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| 16:44.30 | jelly | jescis: that's rbot's error; have you tried to install it using gems? |
| 16:44.56 | jelly | jescis: it being the ruby <-> bdb interface |
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| 16:45.59 | jescis | jelly, not yet |
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| 16:46.51 | jelly | jescis: ok. Lets step back, do you know that ruby has its own way of installing (newer versions of) modules? |
| 16:47.16 | jescis | kind of |
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| 16:47.45 | jescis | I've seen rbot as a .gem download |
| 16:47.52 | jelly | jescis: yes. |
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| 16:50.44 | jelly | jescis: you can install rubygems, export GEM_HOME=${HOME}/gems, and do something like "gem install rbot" |
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| 16:51.27 | jelly | jescis: the latter two commands as normal user |
| 16:51.39 | jescis | jelly, ok , But I never installed anything like this. so what is the program to run to install from the gem file? |
| 16:51.48 | run1 | hello. I'm looking for a screen alternative, I'm not interested in scrolling or multiplexing, I just want the detach feature. any hints? |
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| 16:52.02 | binrapt | Does inetd usually have a start script in init.d or how does it get launched? |
| 16:52.17 | jescis | jelly, thanks :) |
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| 16:52.34 | jelly | jescis: I guess you'll have to look up gems manual or documentation for more, that's pretty much all that I know about it |
| 16:53.13 | jescis | jelly, ok, you've been a big help ^^ |
| 16:53.55 | jelly | jescis: nb, the resulting binaries will be placed under ~/gems/bin, so you might add that to your path, and stick that export in your shell startup somewhere too |
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| 16:58.26 | mewshi | how do i change what comes up when I issue 'startx'? |
| 17:00.02 | sladi | mewshi: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager IIRC |
| 17:00.47 | mewshi | what if I don't want a window manager to come up? |
| 17:01.00 | mewshi | The only thing I want to come up when X starts is zsnes |
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| 17:03.08 | theycallmebruce | hi everyone |
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| 17:03.31 | theycallmebruce | I'm looking at buying an HP NC360T dual port gigabit NIC (Intel 82571EB) |
| 17:03.51 | theycallmebruce | I'd like to do link aggregation on the two ports under debian |
| 17:04.27 | mewshi | sladi, what if I just want startx to start zsnes |
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| 17:05.25 | lymeca | Will lenny ship with OpenJDK 6? |
| 17:05.46 | mewshi | No, my laptop doesn't have that |
| 17:05.51 | theycallmebruce | but googling is making me wonder a) whether the Intel 82571 chip is well supported.. seems that it uses a new driver, igb, rather than e1000; and b) should I be using ifenslave for the link aggregation, or is it somehow supported in the hardware transparent to the driver (I've never done link aggregation before) |
| 17:05.55 | mewshi | and he's not for sale |
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| 17:07.50 | dgodfather | i am trying to add a repository so i can install the nvidia-kernel, the debian way on my 2.6.26 kernel |
| 17:08.13 | mewshi | good for you? |
| 17:08.18 | dgodfather | it seems there is supposed to be a version for the kernel -> http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-1-686/download |
| 17:09.57 | Authority | Has the alternatives system been ported to/used on other platforms, like Solaris? I know RedHat reimplemented it in C for RHEL, but I like the perl-ness of the Debian implementation |
| 17:09.57 | jelly | dgodfather: the legacy driver is different from the usual one |
| 17:10.04 | dgodfather | but when i am trying to apt-get update the sources.list it fails saying : http://pastebin.com/m67eb9bb4 |
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| 17:10.27 | pobega | Howdy #debian |
| 17:10.28 | dgodfather | jelly, so how do i install the driver the debian way? |
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| 17:11.22 | jelly | dgodfather: I'm not much of help there. /msg dpkg nvidia_lenny |
| 17:11.24 | dgodfather | it's the only version i found in repos |
| 17:11.36 | dgodfather | yep yead that, no version for my kernel |
| 17:11.53 | jelly | shrugs |
| 17:12.05 | jelly | wait for nvidia to catch up with the kernel, then |
| 17:12.22 | jelly | (and for debian to repackage their code) |
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| 17:14.52 | mewshi | can someone please help me get it so that kde doesn't start when I type startx? |
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| 17:16.24 | Quag7 | look at ~/.xinitrc |
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| 17:16.32 | Quag7 | And comment out "startkde" if it's in there |
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| 17:18.33 | mewshi | I looked there, it's not even there |
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| 17:20.31 | Bladesman | Greetings... |
| 17:20.37 | Bladesman | Hello. My ISP recently switched over to gmail. Is anyone using getmail or fetchmail to access imap.gmail.com and have any pointers? I'm blind and don't have the tools to access mail thru the web. |
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| 17:21.04 | Zambezi | I have problem since awhile ago with Youtube. Is there a new version to install? Lenny and swfdec, libflash and all that installed already. |
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| 17:21.59 | mewshi | can someone PLEASE help out? |
| 17:22.47 | mewshi | How do I get startx to not start kde? |
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| 17:22.58 | jelly | mewshi: do you have any other window or session manager? |
| 17:23.21 | mewshi | no, but I dont WANT another window or session manager |
| 17:23.25 | abrotman | adama__: ? |
| 17:23.31 | mewshi | I want to start ONE program on top of X |
| 17:23.39 | Zambezi | Where's flashplugin-nonfree in Lenny? Nothing on packages and it's in Etch, Sid. |
| 17:23.45 | Bladesman | mewshi: cd /etc/init.d ; mv S30gdm K30gdm |
| 17:23.58 | mewshi | What? |
| 17:24.03 | Bladesman | Oops. |
| 17:24.04 | mewshi | I don't even gdm |
| 17:24.38 | mewshi | i startx from the a command line, and all of kde starts, which I DON'T want |
| 17:24.42 | Bladesman | mewshi: cd /etc/rc2.d ; mv S30gdm K30gdm |
| 17:24.48 | Ancho | mewshi: you have to edit your .xinitrc file ind your home directory |
| 17:24.55 | mewshi | that's for gdm, right? |
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| 17:25.12 | jelly | Zambezi: it's not there. |
| 17:25.18 | mewshi | The .xinitrc file is non-existent |
| 17:25.43 | jelly | mewshi: what do you want then, a raw X session? |
| 17:25.50 | Ancho | then create it |
| 17:25.50 | Bladesman | Or kdm Replace the S with a K. in the loader link, which autoloads the X display. |
| 17:25.58 | mewshi | For starters |
| 17:26.08 | dgodfather | what does this error mean? -> http://pastebin.com/m683d0dd0 |
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| 17:26.11 | dgodfather | please help me |
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| 17:26.22 | mewshi | I want a raw x session to begin with |
| 17:26.24 | jelly | mewshi: then create an .xinitrc file and put eg. "exec xterm" in it |
| 17:26.27 | mewshi | eventually, I want zsnes to run automatically |
| 17:27.01 | jelly | mewshi: killing that xterm will temrinate the session |
| 17:27.04 | Bladesman | Oh. (sorry. Blind and not hearing the scroll as I type.) |
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| 17:27.25 | Zambezi | jelly: Do you have any idea if will be there at all? I could go without it. |
| 17:27.45 | jelly | Zambezi: as it is now, install from sid if you need it |
| 17:28.03 | Zambezi | jelly: Won't break dependencies? |
| 17:28.34 | jelly | Zambezi: what dependencies? |
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| 17:29.42 | Zambezi | jelly: Or break system is more what I meant, but I'm giving it a shot now. |
| 17:29.45 | jelly | Zambezi: none of them are versioned; I'd download the deb, and install with dpkg -i ...deb, apt-get -f install (or aptitude) |
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| 17:30.06 | jelly | Zambezi: no need to add sid into sources.list that way |
| 17:30.36 | zahna | what is the Debian Way to set an interface promiscuous when it comes up on boot? |
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| 17:32.11 | jelly | Bladesman: hm, have you tried it and it's not working, or are you a first time getmail/fetchmail user? |
| 17:32.21 | Ancho | mewshi: create the .xinitrc file in your home directory. you can put there diffrent programs which should be started when a xsession starts. its a shellscript (man startx, man xinit) |
| 17:33.35 | Bladesman | First time getmail user, anyway. Was using fetchmail for the old POP3 acct. |
| 17:35.07 | Bladesman | Still have yet to set up exim4 to do TLS/SSL. |
| 17:35.07 | mewshi | I have another question, but it'll have to wait till I get back |
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| 17:35.19 | mewshi | if anyone knows how set up a gamepad under X please let me know! :) |
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| 17:36.33 | abrotman | mewshi: google "joystick linux" ? |
| 17:37.23 | x1938- | .google joystick linux |
| 17:37.32 | abrotman | don't do that |
| 17:37.48 | x1938- | don't do what ? |
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| 17:39.52 | jelly | x1938-: use the bots in the channel for doing stuff that can easily be done in a separate window |
| 17:40.13 | Kovensky | how can I install nvidia 96xx on lenny/sid? |
| 17:40.19 | Kovensky | old gpu is old D: |
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| 17:41.29 | n3kl | Kovensky: currious, why do you need a driver that late? |
| 17:42.03 | Kovensky | n3kl: because it is the last one to support NV18 |
| 17:42.53 | n3kl | what is nv18? |
| 17:43.25 | Kovensky | n3kl: old nvidia chip |
| 17:43.30 | n3kl | ah |
| 17:43.31 | Kovensky | GeForce4 MX4000 |
| 17:43.32 | enouf | Kovensky: i installed that 96xx-legacy recently |
| 17:43.42 | Kovensky | enouf: on lenny? |
| 17:43.52 | enouf | Kovensky: the wiki tells you how - no, i'm on sid |
| 17:44.08 | Kovensky | well, I have the deb-src of sid |
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| 17:44.12 | enouf | Kovensky: but i got a lot of old cruft too :-P |
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| 17:45.01 | enouf | you need to feed m-a nvidia-96xx-legacy or similar - go read the wiki |
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| 17:45.19 | enouf | otherwise it wants to d/l and build the 172 variant |
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| 17:45.32 | enouf | erm, whatever number it is |
| 17:45.45 | Kovensky | enouf: ofc, reading the wiki |
| 17:45.49 | Kovensky | 173 |
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| 17:47.49 | enouf | n3kl: man nv to see lists of chips ;-) |
| 17:47.53 | enouf | n3kl: GeForce4, QUADRO4 NV17, NV18, NV25, NV28 |
| 17:47.57 | enouf | for ex |
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| 17:48.09 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.23 | wols | version 96.x at the latest |
| 17:48.29 | n3kl | Yea, I'm with ya |
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| 17:50.05 | enouf | i broke it down into get, build, install .. then after i got it all done, i realized all i needed to do was read the wiki more closely/carefully concerning the names you feed to module-assistant |
| 17:50.20 | wols | Kovensky: nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-96xx is yor source package. rest list nvidis_lenny |
| 17:50.41 | wols | s/list/is like/ |
| 17:50.41 | binrapt | What is the name of the inetd package that comes with Debian? |
| 17:50.59 | enouf | Kovensky: you check /usr/src/ for correct versions - remove any old crap |
| 17:51.02 | Kovensky | wols: ok, thanks :) |
| 17:51.11 | Kovensky | I should probably go buy a better gpu, but this is cheaper =p |
| 17:51.17 | Kovensky | also GPUs are EXTREMELY OVERPRICED here... |
| 17:51.18 | wols | Kovensky: dpkg -l |grep nvidia too |
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| 17:51.28 | Kovensky | a FX5200 costs US$100 here |
| 17:51.41 | binrapt | openbsd-inetd apparently |
| 17:51.44 | enouf | Blackinside_: openbsd-inetd? |
| 17:51.44 | binrapt | o_O |
| 17:51.55 | binrapt | enouf oh comeon, two chars at least heh |
| 17:52.03 | binrapt | wols answered my question heh |
| 17:52.06 | binrapt | Didn't know about the list |
| 17:52.11 | enouf | not when you're going to answer yourself |
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| 17:53.25 | binrapt | My inetd init script is missing because xinetd killed it or something, what do I have to do get it back? Reconfigure it somehow? |
| 17:53.37 | binrapt | Removing it first sounds bad hm |
| 17:53.46 | binrapt | But I think my sshd doesn't run through inetd |
| 17:53.51 | abrotman | install openbsd-inetd |
| 17:53.52 | binrapt | (dedicated server) |
| 17:53.57 | binrapt | Says it's up to date |
| 17:54.09 | abrotman | bet it is |
| 17:54.14 | Kovensky | goes do testing/unstable mix |
| 17:54.53 | rwaite | i think after 2 years of running debian it is finally time to read some of the docs |
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| 17:55.05 | rwaite | maybe the maintainer first |
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| 17:58.09 | jlund | Does Debian provide MySQL configuration files for systems with more memory? I am looking for my-huge.cnf and can't find it. Would there be a significant performance difference? |
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| 18:00.21 | jelly | Bladesman: hmm, gmail seems to store its folders under [Gmail]/ in IMAP. Do you want to replicate the whole folder tree or just fetch the stuff from inbox? |
| 18:00.55 | Bladesman | Just fetch and delete the mail in the inbox. I don't plan to store mail there. |
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| 18:01.43 | jelly | Bladesman: so some pretty default setup |
| 18:01.56 | Bladesman | I've gotten it to download the stuff, but not delete it. |
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| 18:03.29 | Bladesman | I haven't been able to access the account, so it should be default settings, all the way. |
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| 18:04.30 | Bladesman | The ISP has had to go in there and set IMAP up for me, so far. |
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| 18:04.46 | jelly | Bladesman: well... tfm says to add "delete = true" to an [options] part of the config file |
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| 18:05.41 | mike0029 | My KDE tray doesn't have options like sound controller or system monitor in the applets list. Do these need to be installed from a package someplace? |
| 18:06.10 | jelly | Bladesman: search for "[options] example" at http://pyropus.ca/software/getmail/configuration.html#running-mda , seems to be pretty much what you want |
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| 18:06.50 | jelly | in other news, I has a gmail account. Whee! |
| 18:07.10 | dante_2core | mike0029, possibly, depends on what you're looking for. and don't ask me what packages those are, I don't have any idea. |
| 18:07.16 | Bladesman | Hmmm. Thought it was set. Thank you for all the help. I'll do the link. |
| 18:08.21 | jlund | Does Debian provide MySQL configuration files for systems with more memory? I am looking for my-huge.cnf and can't find it. Would there be a significant performance difference? |
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| 18:11.03 | noboru | what is the last kernel for etch ? |
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| 18:12.18 | abrotman | noboru: there is a .18 and a .24 |
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| 18:13.02 | noboru | hi abrotman ,mine is still .18,wondering why the .24 is not included in the apt yet |
| 18:13.10 | abrotman | noboru: apt-cache search etchnhalf |
| 18:13.15 | abrotman | noboru: it's not auto-installed |
| 18:13.16 | Kovensky | how can I stop apt-get from installing recommended packages all the time? |
| 18:13.39 | tarzeau | Kovensky: APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 18:13.47 | tarzeau | Kovensky: write that into /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 18:14.10 | tarzeau | a lot of people also want Acquire::PDiffs "false"; |
| 18:14.21 | noboru | abrotman, i got a bunch ,how do i upgrade to .24 ? |
| 18:14.27 | Kovensky | tarzeau: oh, thank |
| 18:14.31 | Kovensky | why not PDiffs? |
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| 18:14.55 | tarzeau | Kovensky: much slower, and not efficient if you have big bandwith, and do updates every few weeks, and run sid |
| 18:15.16 | Kovensky | tarzeau: what if I have very small bandwidth? |
| 18:15.33 | noboru | hmm wonder how come its not auto upgrade since its a newer kernel with bug fixing |
| 18:15.33 | tarzeau | Kovensky: depends on the amount of time between apt-get updates |
| 18:15.46 | Kovensky | usually daily |
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| 18:16.05 | tarzeau | Kovensky: then you want to leave it in i guess |
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| 18:16.35 | Kovensky | tarzeau: I actually liked PDiffs when I first saw it, much faster than downloading a 5M file =p |
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| 18:17.16 | tarzeau | Kovensky: we have gigabit internet and a local mirror |
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| 18:19.26 | abrotman | noboru: pick the one for your CPU .. use the metapackage |
| 18:19.56 | abrotman | noboru: it's not auto because it causes a lot of changes |
| 18:20.06 | noboru | abrotman, since it is not auto updated one,i guess it is not really necessary to do upgrading ? |
| 18:20.13 | abrotman | right |
| 18:20.25 | noboru | thanks , abrotman :) |
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| 18:21.52 | Bladesman | Thanks for all the help, guys. I appreciate it. Gotta run... |
| 18:22.41 | kantor | hi, I have trouble to record with audacity when I play something with zynaddsubfx, I tried everything, to use aoss, to play with the volume control preferences . . . |
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| 18:24.46 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 18:25.19 | Mazingaro | please I need to set up an audio streaming from mic on a remote server to a lan... How can I do that? thanks |
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| 18:26.10 | jelly | snooping on the kids, huh?! |
| 18:26.19 | jelly | always assumes the worst |
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| 18:26.45 | rwaite | hmm. libsasl is broken in lenny |
| 18:26.54 | astraljava | jelly: That's the worst you can come up with? :D |
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| 18:27.15 | astraljava | How about industrial espionage, for starters. :) |
| 18:27.25 | jelly | astraljava: pshew! |
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| 18:28.08 | jelly | kantor: you're using jack, or? |
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| 18:28.32 | axolx | hey guys -- what chmod command would yield permissions like: -rw-r--r--@ |
| 18:28.42 | n3kl | 644 |
| 18:28.54 | axolx | n3kl: thanks. whats that @ at the end though? |
| 18:29.04 | jelly | what about the at sign, are those xattr or what? |
| 18:29.05 | n3kl | no clue |
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| 18:29.23 | jelly | axolx: if it was a + instead of @, that would have been ACLs |
| 18:29.27 | kantor | jelly, no, I started audacity (the old verion of audacity uses oss) , then I started zynaddsubfx all of them with the aoss, alsa oss wrapper |
| 18:29.57 | axolx | jelly: ya. dont know how to search for it on google really |
| 18:30.02 | n3kl | kantor: is that a good synth? |
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| 18:30.58 | jelly | kantor: I'd try jack, then, I guess |
| 18:31.15 | jelly | kantor: at least you can connect the inputs and outputs every which way with it |
| 18:31.48 | kantor | jelly, bu default in etch dmix is enabled, no ? |
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| 18:32.14 | jelly | kantor: yes, but that doesn't mean it's configured to do what you want it to |
| 18:32.15 | SidGBF | Is there a better program than postfix for mailing? |
| 18:32.28 | jelly | SidGBF: why do you ask? |
| 18:32.41 | SidGBF | Cause we're getting problems with it |
| 18:32.49 | SidGBF | And our sysadmin isn't handling it |
| 18:32.54 | n3kl | what kind of problems? |
| 18:32.59 | jelly | SidGBF: how many mails/day? |
| 18:33.03 | Mazingaro | please I need to set up an audio streaming from mic on a remote server to a lan... How can I do that? thanks |
| 18:33.21 | n3kl | Mazingaro: icecast |
| 18:33.21 | kantor | because I can play back sound with 2, 3 . . . xmms programs in the same time (I use alsa in xmms), or I can play with zynadsdubfx and with audacity in the same time, the problem is that I can't record my music with audacity when I play with zynaddsubfx |
| 18:34.21 | Mazingaro | n3kl: please no! :) |
| 18:34.30 | jelly | kantor: and how can dmix know you want to use zynaddsubfx output as audacity input? |
| 18:34.41 | n3kl | Mazingaro: ok |
| 18:35.10 | Mazingaro | n3kl: I became crazy to setup it :) |
| 18:35.29 | n3kl | Mazingaro: its really not that bad. I ran a radio station for a few years with it |
| 18:35.31 | kantor | jelly, can you tell me please how can I adjust that ? |
| 18:35.39 | jelly | kantor: I have no idea. |
| 18:35.43 | abrotman | SidGBF: i don't see how tha'ts your problem .. tell your admin to come ask us .. not you |
| 18:35.46 | Mazingaro | n3kl: mic to lan? |
| 18:35.54 | jelly | kantor: this is exactly what jack is used for |
| 18:35.58 | n3kl | turntables to internet |
| 18:36.25 | SidGBF | abrotman: Im getting info... (One moment please... you support is very important for us *freaking annoying song*) |
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| 18:36.48 | n3kl | Mazingaro: if you are actually not looking for "streamin", I think portaudio is a good solution from what I have read, but only on the lan |
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| 18:36.49 | abrotman | SidGBF: is your admin too dumb to run an irc client? |
| 18:37.03 | abrotman | which might explain all the other problems |
| 18:37.18 | SidGBF | sorta... but he doesn't know much english and he didn't replied my msg |
| 18:37.37 | kantor | jelly, if I'm using jackd then audacity complains that can't open the audio i/o layer . . . |
| 18:37.39 | Mazingaro | n3kl: debian too? |
| 18:37.44 | n3kl | yes |
| 18:37.56 | jelly | kantor: so make it use jack as well? |
| 18:37.58 | Mazingaro | n3kl: nothin' in the reposiory |
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| 18:38.03 | abrotman | SidGBF: then tell your boss to get a new admin |
| 18:38.15 | SidGBF | abrotman: Be sure I will |
| 18:38.18 | subsume | let's say I'm in a coffeeshop and the network is totally flooded. how can I snoop what's happening on the LAN? |
| 18:38.19 | peppe | he doens't know english? how does he read manuals then? |
| 18:38.29 | n3kl | Mazingaro: I show there is |
| 18:38.43 | joltcan | subsume: I would start out with tcpdump |
| 18:38.45 | kantor | jelly, zynaddsubfx works fine with jack, but audacity not |
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| 18:38.48 | Mazingaro | n3kl: ? |
| 18:38.50 | n3kl | Mazingaro: might be in the multimedia |
| 18:38.51 | SidGBF | There are 2 things I can't accept in a dev/admin: No english skills, love GUI... |
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| 18:39.08 | stew | peppe: "apt-cache search -n manpages" they come in many languages |
| 18:39.13 | Mazingaro | n3kl: main contrib non-free? |
| 18:39.20 | jelly | kantor: I've very little experience with this, but basically, you start jackd, a jack user interface, then all the clients and use jack's switchboard to connect them as you like |
| 18:39.41 | peppe | stew: manuals, not manpages. and translations are of course more bugged and less updated :) |
| 18:39.52 | n3kl | Mazingaro: its in lenny main |
| 18:40.01 | n3kl | Mazingaro: are you talking about icecast or portaudio |
| 18:40.07 | Mazingaro | n3kl: I got lenny! |
| 18:40.11 | Mazingaro | n3kl: portaudio |
| 18:40.28 | Mazingaro | n3kl: only libportaudio |
| 18:40.37 | Mazingaro | n3kl: 0 and 2 |
| 18:41.06 | n3kl | pehaps its not, but you could compile from source if you needed |
| 18:41.36 | n3kl | Mazingaro: http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/portaudio |
| 18:41.43 | n3kl | Mazingaro: looks like it sonly available by source |
| 18:42.03 | Mazingaro | n3kl: apt-source? |
| 18:42.38 | n3kl | Mazingaro: ok, now you need to read something. apt-cache showsrc portaudio |
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| 18:44.28 | karlpinc | Anyone have anything good or bad to say about getting a pre-installed Debian box from eracks.com? |
| 18:44.46 | n3kl | I reinstall everything |
| 18:44.55 | Mazingaro | n3kl: :( |
| 18:45.30 | karlpinc | n3kl : Yah, but getting it pre-installed means that I probably won't have issues with supported drivers, etc. |
| 18:45.45 | Mazingaro | n3kl: portaudio* will not be built because it doesn't have a source package. |
| 18:45.51 | n3kl | karlpinc: I would only be guessing, but yeah |
| 18:46.18 | karlpinc | n3kl : The theory is that they worry about picking the hardware that just plain works. |
| 18:46.23 | n3kl | Mazingaro: apt-get source portaudio |
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| 18:46.54 | n3kl | karlpinc: there is lots of hardware that just plain works. there is no reason to pay extra for someone to just put it in a box for you, imo |
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| 18:47.21 | Mazingaro | n3kl: tx, to compile that? |
| 18:47.43 | n3kl | Mazingaro: apt-get -b source portaudio |
| 18:47.54 | n3kl | Mazingaro: like I said, time for you to read something, like man apt-get |
| 18:47.57 | karlpinc | n3kl : But there's lots that doesn't. It's not worth my time. E.g. I got a RH box from Dell, and etch wouldn't run because the kernel wasn't new enough. |
| 18:48.08 | Mazingaro | n3kl: ok, thanks |
| 18:48.17 | n3kl | karlpinc: so get a newer kernel, there is etchnhalf too ya know |
| 18:48.27 | n3kl | karlpinc: what didn't work? |
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| 18:49.41 | karlpinc | n3kl : There wasn't etchnhalf then. And I want the security team to support my kernel, which does not happen if I roll my own. I think the sata drives did not work unless you mucked with the bios and set the drives to something or another that means "super slow". |
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| 18:50.03 | n3kl | AH |
| 18:50.25 | n3kl | karlpinc: I avoid dell because of their lack of linux support to begin with, but its your call how you spend your money |
| 18:51.16 | karlpinc | n3kl : That's why I'm asking for experiences with eracks. I'd take recommendations for somebody else who's pre-installing stable. There do not seem to be too many choices. |
| 18:51.53 | n3kl | karlpinc: ok fair enough |
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| 18:52.34 | n3kl | karlpinc: what I do is look at the devices that are actually on the motherboard and find out of drivers exist in the kernel or for the chipset and such. |
| 18:52.48 | n3kl | HP and IBM have a history of supporting linux well |
| 18:53.02 | karlpinc | n3kl : That's what I'm willing to pay somebody else to do. It's not worth my time keeping up with all the details. |
| 18:53.09 | n3kl | ok |
| 18:53.15 | jelly | n3kl: yeah, but mere existence of drivers doesn't mean the hw is well supported |
| 18:53.52 | n3kl | jelly: true, but I know if its got realtec nics or something, or an nvidia chipset, you can bet it will work |
| 18:53.59 | karlpinc | eracks was looking good, but they don't seem to be answering their phone and their live chat isn't up either. Which makes me nervous. |
| 18:54.03 | jelly | n3kl: ew. :-) |
| 18:54.06 | rwaite | i bought a dell laptop and it supports debian pretty good |
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| 18:54.20 | rwaite | have to use ndiswrapper, but it works. |
| 18:54.23 | n3kl | jelly: but you know what I am saying |
| 18:54.24 | jelly | karlpinc: I'd go with preinstalled only if the vendor promised hw support. :-) |
| 18:54.41 | karlpinc | jelly :) Right. That's the point. |
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| 18:54.57 | zinx | only proprietary driver i have to use with my laptop is nVidia's.. unless you count the 4965AGN firmware as proprietary :x |
| 18:55.09 | rwaite | intel x3100 ftw :) |
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| 18:55.37 | jelly | has a linuxant blob installed sometimes |
| 18:55.59 | zinx | notes his laptop has a webcam and a "win"modem as well, both of which work :P |
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| 18:56.39 | karlpinc | n3kl : These days you can't even tell what chipset a dingus is using by referencing the make and model number. Dumbass manufactuers change the internals and don't change their product numbers. That was the point I totally gave up keeping track of hardware. |
| 18:57.09 | zinx | karlpinc: that is indeed quite annoying |
| 18:57.35 | zinx | karlpinc: IMHO, it should be illegal, but apparently no one cares if consumers are buying what they think they're buying any more |
| 18:57.36 | karlpinc | n3kl : HP and IBM are not pre-installing etch on anything afaik. |
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| 18:57.55 | Computer | What is the codename for the latest Debian Stable releaase? |
| 18:58.00 | dondelelcaro | Computer: etch |
| 18:58.02 | rwaite | etch |
| 18:58.09 | zinx | Computer: etch, soon to be lenny hopefully, though |
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| 18:58.15 | rwaite | lenny will be stable in about 3 years |
| 18:58.24 | zinx | rwaite: isn't it frozen already? |
| 18:58.24 | karlpinc | zinx : Pfft. I give it a year. |
| 18:58.32 | zinx | or am i off |
| 18:58.32 | n3kl | karlpinc: ok, i'm with your, but like I said, I reinstall everything. If they install *any* linux on the system you can nearly bet its going to work. Linux is just a kernel after all |
| 18:58.33 | wald0 | is possible that the UUID of my partition changes without reformat it ? |
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| 18:58.50 | rwaite | zinx: yes, but god willing, something will hold it up until at least next christmas |
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| 18:58.54 | zinx | wald0: yes.. but why do you need to? |
| 18:58.59 | wald0 | im doing tests in a partition dumping a system to it, and its the second time that his uuid changes :( |
| 18:59.07 | n3kl | karlpinc: plus a quick google search on the model, followed by the word linux might lead you to other peoples experience with the model |
| 18:59.15 | Computer | I am trying to figure out what the unofficial non-free repositories for etch are so that I can install the java runtime, etc |
| 18:59.17 | n3kl | karlpinc: what motherboards are these eracks shipping with? |
| 18:59.23 | karlpinc | n3kl : If they install _any_ linux on the box I can _make_ it work. But I want it to work when I get it out of the box. |
| 18:59.23 | wald0 | zinx: its the way that use to call the partition, i use much external disks |
| 18:59.24 | zinx | wald0: tune2fs for ext2/3 filesystems, see -U |
| 18:59.48 | wald0 | i don't use tune2fs too, there's any other thing that can change it, zinx ? |
| 18:59.50 | rwaite | debian-multimedia.org? or is that just testing |
| 18:59.53 | karlpinc | n3kl : The mobo is not the issue. The issue is whether I want to do business with them. |
| 18:59.59 | zinx | wald0: rewriting the filesystem can change it. |
| 19:00.05 | n3kl | ah |
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| 19:00.09 | Mazingaro | n3kl: but portaudio is not an application to stream audio, its a library... |
| 19:00.13 | wald0 | zinx: format ? no, i don't reformat it |
| 19:00.22 | zinx | wald0: i.e., doing dd if=/dev/sdc2 of=/dev/sda1 will put sdc2's UUID on sda1 |
| 19:00.22 | stew | Computer: you can use the official non-free repositories for that |
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| 19:00.28 | n3kl | Mazingaro: I told you to read and you didn't. don't blame me |
| 19:00.45 | Computer | Yea. |
| 19:00.47 | simonrvn | now called pulseaudio... |
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| 19:00.53 | karlpinc | Any recommendations for a pre-installed (etch) hardware vendor? |
| 19:00.55 | zinx | wald0: what filesystem is it? |
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| 19:01.09 | n3kl | simonrvn: ah, when did that happen? |
| 19:01.35 | simonrvn | karlpinc: only one i've heard of that does debian is dell. but there's probably smaller corps that do. |
| 19:01.41 | n3kl | Mazingaro: simonrvn says its called pulseaudio now |
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| 19:01.55 | wald0 | zinx: ext3 |
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| 19:02.06 | simonrvn | n3kl: a while ago, not sure when. probably a year, maybe less. |
| 19:02.25 | n3kl | ah, its been a while since I was looking at that stuff |
| 19:02.28 | zinx | wald0: shouldn't be anything randomly changing it.. but anything that overwrites that spot (likely in the first block) will change it |
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| 19:02.52 | wald0 | zinx: ok, let me see if i found something, thx |
| 19:03.06 | karlpinc | simonrvn : I thought dell did ubuntu. I did a search for "debian" on the dell site and came up with squat. |
| 19:03.13 | Computer | what is the non-free repository? |
| 19:03.42 | n3kl | where non-GPL'd software goes |
| 19:03.44 | stew | Computer: "/msg dpkg mirrors" any mirror should have it. whereever you are getting "main" from should also have non-free: /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 19:03.51 | simonrvn | karlpinc: 'k. i think you're right, too. heh, ubuntu's not exactly debian is it =). |
| 19:04.10 | simonrvn | not only non-gpl |
| 19:04.12 | stew | n3kl: lots of non-GPL'd software goes into main |
| 19:04.25 | simonrvn | ther's plenty of bsd/bsd-like stuff in main |
| 19:04.36 | simonrvn | and other licenses |
| 19:04.39 | karlpinc | Computer : It should be explained in the debian install manual at debian.org. |
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| 19:04.50 | simonrvn | !non-free |
| 19:04.50 | dpkg | it has been said that non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 19:04.51 | n3kl | karlpinc: sounds like you should start a company preinstalling debian =] |
| 19:04.55 | rwaite | is it better to use aptitude over apt-get? other than the auto-removal stuff, is there any reason to use it on the command line? |
| 19:05.00 | n3kl | stew: meh, pk |
| 19:05.10 | simonrvn | ^^^ |
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| 19:05.34 | n3kl | ah, non-dfsg then |
| 19:05.39 | karlpinc | n3kl : I _have_ a company that customizes it once it's pre-installed. :-) |
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| 19:05.46 | simonrvn | rwaite: i do. i still use apt-cache to do searching for packages, but that's only because i haven't changed my alias yet =) |
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| 19:06.08 | rwaite | ok |
| 19:06.28 | rwaite | lenny is really different from etch. i aptitude upgrade and it asks me all these funky questions |
| 19:06.33 | n3kl | if you already have a company that does this, you should be the point of authority on where to get debian pre-installed man |
| 19:07.02 | n3kl | rwaite: the devs say use aptitude |
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| 19:08.59 | tchunz | are there someone with some tc experience? |
| 19:09.17 | tchunz | I am doing my classes and I want some suggestions |
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| 19:13.28 | mha | my ipv6 connectivity is temporarily down. How does one tell apt not to fetch packages primarily from the ipv4 resolve, not the ipv6? |
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| 19:14.43 | Axz | Hi all :) |
| 19:14.55 | Axz | Guys how to install TCl on Debian ? |
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| 19:15.29 | n3kl | Axz: aptitude search tcl |
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| 19:15.47 | Axz | thx |
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| 19:21.09 | harpal | Hey I have machine in which I have 3 interface, 1 for LAN, 2 for Wan and 3 for Server. but my LAN machine cant ping to server machine? whats problem? |
| 19:21.17 | dondelelcaro | tchunz: it's #lartc on oftc |
| 19:21.25 | n3kl | !ipmasq |
| 19:21.25 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 19:22.02 | karlpinc | Well, eracks.com answered the phone. I think I'll give them a try. |
| 19:23.06 | harpal | n3kl: Is that for me? |
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| 19:23.23 | n3kl | yeah |
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| 19:23.46 | n3kl | harpal: you need to turn on forwarding and set your iptables policies |
| 19:23.53 | tchunz | dondelelcaro: oftc? how is the address of this server? I don't know it |
| 19:24.58 | stew | tchunz: irc.oftc.net |
| 19:24.58 | tchunz | stew: thanks. =) |
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| 19:29.27 | mha | über alles. bubye. |
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| 19:30.05 | Mazingaro | n3kl: pulseaudio? |
| 19:30.12 | Mazingaro | n3kl: good |
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| 19:30.34 | n3kl | Mazingaro: you get it working? |
| 19:30.50 | Mazingaro | n3kl: I'm installing it right now |
| 19:30.54 | raijin | hi can anyone hel me witha few quick questions about svn-buildpackage? |
| 19:31.03 | raijin | help* |
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| 19:31.15 | stew | raijin: just ask your question |
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| 19:32.09 | kernnutz | sudo mount -t nfs 192.168.0.100:/home/movies /mnt/nfs/ gives me a "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on 192.168.0.100:/home/movies" any ideas?????????? |
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| 19:32.34 | raijin | stew: there are a few questions i have, firstly if i just use svn-inject it will just add the /debian dir and set up the repo for building? i mean with the -c0 swich |
| 19:32.38 | raijin | switch* |
| 19:32.58 | Mazingaro | n3kl: I'm trying... |
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| 19:33.26 | stew | raijin: you mean just the debian dir as opposed to all of the upstream source? |
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| 19:34.22 | Mazingaro | n3kl: autoremoving old apps |
| 19:34.30 | raijin | stew: i have the trunk of KDE, and i am attempting to build my own packages, i justwant to be sure of the procedure |
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| 19:35.44 | raijin | stew: as i find the /debian directory is a bit mysitc, i cannot find any information specifcally saying where it comes from or how its constucted |
| 19:35.47 | stew | raijin: you have upstream source of kde? or you have the source of kde debian packages? |
| 19:35.53 | zysr | !tell zysr dpkg |
| 19:36.21 | raijin | stew: kde svn repo checkout, so potential upstream source |
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| 19:37.00 | kernnutz | sudo mount -t nfs 192.168.0.100:/home/movies /mnt/nfs/ gives me a "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on 192.168.0.100:/home/movies" any ideas?????????? |
| 19:37.27 | stew | raijin: then svn-buildpackage might not be what you want, svn-buildpackage is for when you are keeping the debian/ directory in svn, not for building from an upstream svn repository |
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| 19:37.58 | stew | raijin: for information about the debian directory, check the new maintainers guide: /msg dpkg mg ; and the debian policy manual: /msg dpkg policy |
| 19:38.14 | stew | raijin: though why are you using upstream kde source instead of pacakges provided by debian? |
| 19:38.36 | raijin | stew: i want my own packages |
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| 19:38.55 | zysr | kernnutz: ..ntfs? |
| 19:39.16 | stew | raijin: how will your packages differ from the packages that debian provides? |
| 19:39.25 | raijin | stew: as there are some packages that are not even in the repos yet, and some stuff that does not work correctly as its all in experimental anyways for KDE4 |
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| 19:40.02 | kernnutz | zysr, NFS |
| 19:40.02 | raijin | stew: also i am interested in learning the procedure |
| 19:40.17 | meeero | what file controls the name of ethernet-cards in the system? e.g. eth0, eth1 ...? |
| 19:40.55 | stew | raijin: then you want the new maintainers guide: "/msg dpkg mg" ; kde is a rather large project to tackle as your first venture into debian packaging |
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| 19:40.59 | wols | meeero: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 19:41.16 | Divine06 | how do you restart rsyncd? |
| 19:41.18 | raijin | stew: i only want certain programs, not the whole of it |
| 19:41.38 | zysr | kernnutz: mount -t nfs drv/bla /stuff |
| 19:41.39 | zysr | ? |
| 19:41.47 | wols | Divine06: /etc/init.d/rsyncd restart or similar |
| 19:41.59 | zysr | or --force |
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| 19:42.15 | kernnutz | zysr: but the folder is on my server, not from my client |
| 19:42.18 | meeero | thanks |
| 19:42.46 | Divine06 | thanks |
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| 19:43.06 | zysr | kernnutz: then what you pasted earlier should have worked. |
| 19:43.30 | zysr | kernnutz: Install another nfs handler? |
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| 19:43.49 | kernnutz | zysr: yeah I guess, it wouldnt hurt, thanks |
| 19:43.54 | curtmack | How can I change the disk partition that Linux suspends to/resumes from? |
| 19:44.10 | curtmack | By default it's /dev/hda5, but very shortly /dev/hda5 will not exist, and I need Linux to not hang when it boots. |
| 19:44.15 | Divine06 | i dont get it, it's not there |
| 19:44.20 | Divine06 | and worse, when i do a locate, it wont come up |
| 19:44.33 | curtmack | I need to change it to /dev/sda2 |
| 19:44.37 | curtmack | how do I do that? |
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| 19:49.45 | curtmack | okay never mind, I'm using find and grep to search all files on my computer for the string hda5 |
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| 19:50.07 | curtmack | logically I should be able to find the magic conf file that controls it |
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| 19:51.04 | yziquel | hi. i'd like to enable "mandatory locking" of files on a partition. anyone has a hint about how to do that? |
| 19:51.04 | okaratas | hmm |
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| 19:51.40 | okaratas | i building kernel version 2.6.26.5 |
| 19:51.50 | okaratas | using debian "lenny" |
| 19:51.51 | okaratas | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.52 | okaratas | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.52 | okaratas | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.52 | okaratas | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.52 | okaratas | drivers/mtd/maps/physmap.c:252:2: warning: #warning using PHYSMAP compat code |
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| 19:52.13 | okaratas | what is PHYSMAP compat code? |
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| 19:53.59 | simonrvn | !tell okaratas -about paste |
| 19:54.03 | simonrvn | !tell okaratas -about ask |
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| 19:54.52 | okaratas | simonrvn, okey |
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| 19:55.47 | graytron | curtmack: /usr/src/linux/kernel/power/Kconfig says that you can't currently choose which device to save the suspended image to. it will simply pick the first available swap device. however with resume=sda2 boot option you can resume if the suspended image was written there |
| 19:56.35 | graytron | curtmack: resume=/dev/sda2 |
| 19:57.15 | simonrvn | okaratas: that's just a warning. email lkml about that, but do a search first. someone might've already done so. |
| 19:57.20 | simonrvn | !lkml |
| 19:57.20 | dpkg | [lkml] the linux kernel mailing list (read /usr/src/linux/REPORTING-BUGS before you post there and ALSO read http://www.tux.org/lkml/ |
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| 19:57.40 | okaratas | simonrvn, thanks |
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| 19:57.56 | yziquel | sorry to ask again: anybody knows how to enable mandatory file locking? |
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| 19:59.24 | simonrvn | for nfs? |
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| 20:00.04 | yziquel | simonrvn: no, for a standard, conventional hard drive partition. |
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| 20:01.04 | simonrvn | um |
| 20:01.20 | Shadowcat | what's a good open source collaboration suite, as an alternative to Ms. Exchange? |
| 20:01.41 | yziquel | Shadowcat: zimbra? |
| 20:02.02 | Shadowcat | yziquel: I've found Zimbra, Scalix, and eGroupWare so far |
| 20:02.03 | Shadowcat | any others? |
| 20:02.28 | yziquel | Shadowcat: not that i can think of. |
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| 20:03.36 | curtmack | all right, found it |
| 20:04.04 | curtmack | if anyone's curious it's /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume |
| 20:04.14 | curtmack | that file contains a single line like RESUME=/dev/hda5 |
| 20:04.19 | curtmack | need to reboot now |
| 20:04.31 | Shadowcat | hopefully he comes back |
| 20:05.44 | yziquel | hah! /dev/hda2 /tmp ext3 defaults,mand 0 2 |
| 20:05.53 | yziquel | in fstab should do the trick! |
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| 20:05.57 | Mazingaro | n3kl: it isn't working |
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| 20:06.22 | simonrvn | !doesn't work |
| 20:06.22 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 20:06.25 | cusco | hi... |
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| 20:06.52 | cusco | using gnome, I go on the preferences menu - keyboard shortcuts and define a key to open a terminal |
| 20:07.11 | cusco | I installed compiz and now that key no longer works |
| 20:07.14 | yziquel | anyone has bad experiences with mandatory locking? unstability? |
| 20:07.28 | cusco | I go on the same menu and it doesnt show the open terminal option |
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| 20:08.34 | simonrvn | cusco: becuase that "hotkey" thing is for metacity |
| 20:08.38 | simonrvn | because* |
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| 20:09.43 | Kovensky | also, how can I stop gnome from thinking I want to use the numpad to control the mouse? |
| 20:09.56 | Kovensky | I hit some unknown key combo by accident, and my numpad stops working for numbers |
| 20:09.57 | Qantourisc | Hi, debian has an insanly slow release cycle, but security updates are released often right ? |
| 20:10.06 | n3kl | What is the best chess game? |
| 20:10.22 | yziquel | n3kl: crafty is quite good. |
| 20:10.28 | Qantourisc | n3kl: the RL one ... if you DO find a good one, please tell |
| 20:10.29 | yareckon | Kovensky, hit the numlock key |
| 20:10.36 | Kovensky | loses to gnuchess all the time |
| 20:10.38 | yareckon | Qantourisc, no and yes |
| 20:10.46 | stew | Qantourisc: http://security.debian.org will give you a history of security updates to stable |
| 20:10.46 | n3kl | I have been using xboard, but meh... |
| 20:10.48 | Kovensky | yareckon: it's not that; numbers don't work whether numlock is on or off |
| 20:11.10 | n3kl | yziquel: thanks |
| 20:11.12 | Kovensky | the numeric keys move the mouse pointer instead of typing numbers |
| 20:11.24 | yareckon | Kovensky, check to see if you have accessbility turned on in Gnome, turn it off |
| 20:11.28 | n3kl | yziquel: wait is crafty a gui? |
| 20:11.30 | Kovensky | and when I look at Preferences->Keyboard, the "Mouse Keys" checkbox is magically on |
| 20:11.32 | yziquel | n3kl: it's an engine. |
| 20:11.36 | Kovensky | yareckon: it is turned off |
| 20:11.40 | n3kl | yziquel: how do I use it? |
| 20:11.51 | Kovensky | the "Mouse Keys" for some reason is not considered accessibility |
| 20:11.59 | yziquel | n3kl: it can be interfaced with xboard. |
| 20:12.09 | yareckon | are you sure about that? last ghome update turned it on in my system... |
| 20:12.29 | yareckon | yeah mouse keys is what I was talking about |
| 20:12.40 | yareckon | that is definitely off? |
| 20:12.53 | cusco | simonrvn: is there an alternative way to make it work? |
| 20:13.05 | cusco | I always had that even on my previous instalation with compiz |
| 20:13.12 | cusco | im really used to it |
| 20:13.17 | simonrvn | cusco: compiz manager thingy |
| 20:13.23 | Kovensky | yareckon: every accessibility related checkbox is off on Preferences->Accessbility and Preferences->Keyboard |
| 20:13.23 | cusco | ok Ill check |
| 20:13.31 | yziquel | n3kl: crafty is really nifty, phalanx is more brutal, but less subtle. if you're good, i'd recommend crafty, and if you're not that good, there's little point battling with crafty, and phalanx is then a better choice. |
| 20:13.33 | simonrvn | it manages hotkeys |
| 20:13.40 | Kovensky | including the "Allow eabling/disabling accessibility from keyboard shortcuts" |
| 20:13.43 | cusco | thanks |
| 20:14.39 | n3kl | yziquel: i'm medium |
| 20:14.51 | Shadowcat | any recommendations when it comes to Active Directory alternatives? |
| 20:15.00 | yziquel | n3kl: then have fun with both! |
| 20:15.21 | n3kl | yziquel: nice, thanks |
| 20:15.29 | cusco | works simonrvn thanks |
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| 20:15.36 | simonrvn | :) |
| 20:15.49 | yareckon | Kovensky, last thing would be a bad keyboard map? |
| 20:16.19 | yareckon | other than that, you're in over my head |
| 20:16.31 | Kovensky | yareckon: the keyboard map is fine... >< |
| 20:16.41 | Kovensky | it is just that the mouse keys are off, and all of sudden they are on |
| 20:16.47 | Kovensky | activated by some unknown magic key combination |
| 20:18.06 | yziquel | have a nice time. see you. |
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| 20:19.48 | Qantourisc | Is there a "minor" release cycle ? a "should be stable" branch ? |
| 20:20.11 | cusco | testing? |
| 20:20.18 | stew | that is the same release cycle |
| 20:20.21 | cusco | lenny is in "squeeze" |
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| 20:20.55 | stew | Qantourisc: there are backports: "/msg dpkg backports" and there was a recent upgrade to etch: /msg dpkg etchnhalf ; for packages which often need updates to work there is volatile: /msg dpkg volatile |
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| 20:24.28 | humbolt | how can I install a specific version with apt-get? |
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| 20:24.35 | PiousMinion | I set up a cron job with "* 6 * * *" thinking it would start it every day at 6am. What it actually did was start it over and over which I can only assume was every 6 minutes. What is the proper string for every day at 6am? |
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| 20:25.08 | wols | humbolt: with pinning, but: why do yu want that exactly. mixing releases can be dangerous |
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| 20:25.18 | humbolt | I want to install ffmpeg version 2:1.1.2-0.1ubuntu3 hardy/multiverse |
| 20:25.28 | humbolt | wols: I know |
| 20:25.39 | humbolt | wols: Need an older version |
| 20:25.41 | stew | PiousMinion: "0 6 * * *" is 6 am, "* 6 * * *" is once a minute, 60 times between 6:00 and 6:59 |
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| 20:26.04 | wols | humbolt: installing ubuntu package on debian is very much unsupported and probably wouldn't work |
| 20:26.17 | stew | humbolt: are you actually running debian or ubuntu? |
| 20:26.20 | maplebed | (please pardon the spam, I'm looking for the quote about why we shouldn't talk about ubuntu here) |
| 20:26.21 | maplebed | !ubuntu |
| 20:26.21 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 20:26.32 | maplebed | (that's the one. Thanks, dpkg!) |
| 20:26.44 | humbolt | stew: ubuntu, just want to know how to use apt-get this way |
| 20:26.57 | stew | humbolt: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 20:27.21 | humbolt | stew: apt-get is debian technology, isn't it. |
| 20:27.33 | stew | humbolt: both, but your problem is specific to ubuntu |
| 20:27.37 | wols | humbolt: ubuntu is "debian technology". we still don't support it |
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| 20:28.14 | stew | humbolt: and even if your problem wasn't specific to ubuntu, its certainly not specific to debian, which this channel is |
| 20:28.37 | Shadowcat | !ubuntu |
| 20:28.37 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 20:29.01 | streuner | hm |
| 20:29.12 | Shadowcat | sup streuner |
| 20:29.13 | n3kl | Why don't ubuntu people read the !ubuntu the furst time |
| 20:29.22 | humbolt | wols: the only problem I am having is, that I would like to know how to tell apt-get which version of a package to install, if there is more than one available. And how to make it downgrade to an older version than the one installed. This is not specific to ubuntu or debian but apt-get. |
| 20:29.38 | Shadowcat | because most of that channel's just as clueless as the people they are trying to help |
| 20:29.50 | stew | humbolt: i don't know of a channel about apt-get. this isn't one |
| 20:29.53 | n3kl | yeah, serious |
| 20:30.00 | wols | humbolt: the only problem I have, I doN't support ubuntu in here. go to #ubuntu |
| 20:30.16 | Shadowcat | wols: I don't support Ubuntu period |
| 20:30.18 | MoDaX | humbolt: apt-get install package=version |
| 20:30.19 | n3kl | Look run debian if you want help |
| 20:30.25 | Computer | the ubuntu support channel has more questions than answers and it is hard to get support in there. |
| 20:30.38 | Computer | the debian support channel is full of debian experts |
| 20:30.45 | humbolt | wols: I am just trying it her first but need to do the same thing on my server afterwards - which is debian. |
| 20:30.47 | wols | Shadowcat, Computer: please go to #ubuntu if you want to talk about them. thank you |
| 20:31.01 | Shadowcat | Computer: with all due respect, it's not our god darn problem |
| 20:31.18 | wols | humbolt: we hear the BS all day when people find out we don't help ubuntu users. you tire me. good day. PS: please don't talk to me anymore |
| 20:31.18 | Shadowcat | either way, </rant> |
| 20:31.25 | humbolt | MoDaX: Thank you sooo much!! This did the trick! |
| 20:31.31 | Computer | I agree. I am just pointing it out. I am not here for ubuntu support :3 |
| 20:31.35 | simonrvn | Computer: the ubuntu community is less experienced. doesn't mean you should come here and ask off-topic questions. gain that experience, and then you can help out there. |
| 20:31.37 | humbolt | MoDaX: this is all I needed. |
| 20:32.06 | n3kl | humbolt: read the manpage |
| 20:32.32 | maplebed | (used to be that talking to your computer was a sign of insanity. I'm so glad it's not anymore! Thanks, Computer!) |
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| 20:32.32 | humbolt | n3kl: I did. This is usually the first thing I do. |
| 20:32.39 | maplebed | ;) |
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| 20:33.29 | humbolt | n3kl: and I am still a debian user on all my servers. Don't understand useless the ubuntu/debian war. Two systems, one base, two different use cases. |
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| 20:33.42 | MoDaX | instead of 10+ lines of repeating themselves about ubuntu, you could just have answered the question |
| 20:33.45 | abrotman | humbolt: wrong |
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| 20:33.52 | n3kl | humbolt: that is not the case |
| 20:34.09 | wols | MoDaX: please stop. the ubuntu policy stands. leave if you don't like it |
| 20:34.29 | wols | humbolt: if you want generic linux help: ##linux |
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| 20:37.45 | streuner | humbolt: you sounds like an over-guru :-) |
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| 20:38.03 | radius | over-easy more like ;p |
| 20:38.13 | humbolt | streuner: whatever you mean by that |
| 20:38.15 | streuner | ;-) |
| 20:38.18 | simonrvn | there *is no* effing war. fucking newbies.... |
| 20:38.25 | torr | hi |
| 20:38.36 | streuner | no, not really |
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| 20:39.16 | MoDaX | wols: sure it does. but why to keep talking about it for 5 minutes? |
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| 20:39.31 | streuner | there are some trolls, who want have fun with that ;-) |
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| 20:39.35 | simonrvn | how some policy can be construed as a war is beyond me. |
| 20:39.37 | torr | I have a question regarding the use of ubuntu .deb in debian for freenx. What is the real difference between the two OSes in this regard? |
| 20:39.56 | humbolt | a question about apt-get does stay a question about apt-get. The answer is as useful for ubuntu as it is for debian. I will use the knowledge on both systems. |
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| 20:40.18 | n3kl | can we please stop fucking talking about ubuntu?! |
| 20:40.27 | tarzeau | !eat n3kl |
| 20:40.27 | dpkg | eats n3kl, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* |
| 20:40.28 | n3kl | I hate ubuntu |
| 20:40.34 | stew | humbolt: your ubuntu questions are off-topic here. i'm sorry that this displeases you, but the topic of this channel is not up for negotiation |
| 20:40.34 | humbolt | Or do you guys want me to divide my knowledge in what I learned on ubuntu and what I learned on debian? |
| 20:40.39 | stew | humbolt: drop it |
| 20:40.45 | stew | and everyone else, please move on |
| 20:40.57 | n3kl | thank you |
| 20:41.02 | n3kl | someone start kicking people |
| 20:41.51 | stew | torr: if you have a .deb compiled for some other os, we'd recommend recompiling it from source so that the libraries match those of your release, "/msg dpkg ssb" gives an outline of how you might do this. if you don't have source for the .debs we'd recommend not using them on debian |
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| 20:42.56 | krekon | is there any way to make use of a crashed HD by isolating the crashed part of of the disk and create partitions for the health part of it? |
| 20:43.21 | dondelelcaro | krekon: it's almost never worthwhile to do that |
| 20:43.32 | n3kl | krekon: drives are cheap |
| 20:43.57 | krekon | dondelelcaro I know but is it possible? |
| 20:44.16 | wols | krekon: yes. but: the rest of the hdd will go bad very soon too |
| 20:44.16 | dondelelcaro | krekon: sure, but totally not adviseable. |
| 20:44.33 | MoDaX | krekon: make mkfs scan for bad sectors when creating fs |
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| 20:44.58 | dondelelcaro | krekon: and it's often very rare that you have failure in a specific region, as the logical disk presented to the OS has very little to do with the physical disk in modern drives |
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| 20:46.19 | krekon | MoDaX and how I can discover that the sectors that appears on mkfs is on the 5,53th , lets say, gigabyte? |
| 20:46.54 | MoDaX | krekon: badblocks can tell you |
| 20:46.59 | wols | krekon: every sector has a number, from 1 to whatever. every sector is usually 512bytes |
| 20:47.04 | torr | krekon, search youtube on that topic hard drive recovery or something like that, there are a few 'trade secrets' reveled there |
| 20:47.05 | zefferno | Any good theme you recommend for KDE? I am looking for a nice clean view. |
| 20:47.06 | wols | for this info you can deduce what to do |
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| 20:47.20 | wols | s/for/from |
| 20:47.25 | n3kl | zefferno: kde-look.org |
| 20:47.25 | krekon | thanks alot |
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| 20:55.07 | V4Nelle | guys i have debian lenny....when lenny being stable,i must change me sources.list if i want to continue have testing debian? |
| 20:55.37 | stew | V4Nelle: if you want to stay with lenny when it releases put "lenny" in sources.list, if you want to stay with testing, use "testing" |
| 20:55.52 | n3kl | lenny is stable? |
| 20:55.57 | n3kl | qua |
| 20:56.07 | n3kl | oh, he means when it is |
| 20:56.09 | n3kl | 0nvm |
| 20:56.10 | abrotman | not yet .. he's asking |
| 20:56.13 | V4Nelle | and there isn't any problem? |
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| 20:56.31 | raijin | ah dh_make |
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| 20:56.53 | V4Nelle | and if i continue have lenny in my repos my debian will be stable? |
| 20:57.09 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:57.44 | V4Nelle | and all these without any problems,right? |
| 20:58.08 | Flimzy | Is anyone abreast of the Mozilla EULA/Copyright notice issue? Will their changes mean Debian can once again use the Mozilla name, and thus the death of the Ice* suite? |
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| 20:59.12 | jelly | Flimzy: reference? |
| 20:59.36 | Flimzy | jelly: http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/16/1736212 |
| 20:59.52 | jelly | yay /. |
| 20:59.58 | Flimzy | hellzya... or something |
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| 21:01.15 | MoDaX | Flimzy: EULA was not the reason Ice* exists. reasons for ice* did not disappear |
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| 21:01.36 | Flimzy | MoDaX: Makes sense. |
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| 21:02.31 | torr | how do one make a package? |
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| 21:03.05 | MoDaX | mozilla got scared of ubuntu pov because of userbase. they do not care about debian though |
| 21:03.22 | darius12 | anybody here using nut? It is driving me nut(s) |
| 21:03.45 | MoDaX | darius12: ask |
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| 21:04.12 | darius12 | I have a powermust 1000VA USB which should work with the megatec_usb driver |
| 21:04.38 | darius12 | I also tried the usbhid-ups but still nothing |
| 21:04.52 | darius12 | I 'm trying to use the usb connection |
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| 21:05.20 | darius12 | It says it found no ups! |
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| 21:05.57 | darius12 | the ups appears as /dev/usb/hiddev0 |
| 21:06.09 | abrotman | !tell datacrusher about away |
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| 21:06.22 | abrotman | !tell torr about mg |
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| 21:07.18 | MoDaX | darius12: what do you have in /etc/nut/ups.conf ? |
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| 21:07.45 | darius12 | MoDaX: I 'll pastebin it |
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| 21:08.24 | darius12 | MoDaX: http://pastebin.ca/1204767 |
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| 21:08.58 | MoDaX | darius12: upsc PowerMust@localhost |
| 21:09.32 | Deiz_ | Is there a way to get aptitude to list the number of installed packages? |
| 21:09.37 | darius12 | how would this help since the server doesn't want to start? |
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| 21:10.03 | darius12 | anyway, Error: Connection failure: Connection refused |
| 21:10.31 | MoDaX | darius12: when doing /etc/init.d/nut start? |
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| 21:10.52 | darius12 | Starting Network UPS Tools: (upsdrvctl failed). |
| 21:11.10 | MoDaX | darius12: is /etc/default/nut ok? |
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| 21:11.59 | darius12 | MoDaX: START_UPSD="yes" and START_UPSMON="yes" |
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| 21:12.08 | micols | anyone here using slrn? |
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| 21:13.38 | MoDaX | darius12: try upsdrvctl start PowerMust |
| 21:13.55 | abrotman | datacrusher: turn that crap off .. no one cares if you're away |
| 21:14.23 | MoDaX | darius12: anything in /var/log/syslog ? |
| 21:14.28 | darius12 | MoDaX: I think the real problem is this: http://pastebin.ca/1204774 |
| 21:14.49 | n3kl | What is a good tool to make icons or web graphics? |
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| 21:15.34 | intr80__ | n3kl: gimp |
| 21:15.40 | darius12 | MoDaX: In syslog I see it complaining about a missing upsd.conf file too, I 'll try to provide one |
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| 21:15.52 | yareckon | Deiz_, it's not aptitude, but you could try dpkg -l |
| 21:15.59 | n3kl | intr80__: gimp does not have drawing tools though, like rectangle or whatever |
| 21:16.23 | yareckon | ok, I have a question for y'all |
| 21:16.37 | intr80__ | n3kl : ms paint, then. |
| 21:16.45 | n3kl | uh |
| 21:16.55 | yareckon | how does one troubleshoot the scripts in the /etc/cron.d folder? |
| 21:17.01 | intr80__ | you can probably run it under qemu |
| 21:17.17 | yareckon | I just added something there, with it set to run every 5 mins, and restarted cron |
| 21:17.24 | MoDaX | darius12: nut has powermust driver. use that |
| 21:17.30 | yareckon | however, it's not running |
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| 21:17.46 | n3kl | yareckon: read your logs and mail |
| 21:17.50 | yareckon | how do I narrow down to find out in which of the many ways I've been an idiot |
| 21:17.58 | stew | yareckon: what is the name of the file in /etc/cron.d |
| 21:18.18 | stew | yareckon: the name has to be run-parts compliant (man run-parts ; man cron) |
| 21:18.23 | darius12 | MoDaX: are you sure it has? I don't see one here |
| 21:18.37 | darius12 | Can't start /lib/nut/powermust: No such file or directory |
| 21:18.48 | darius12 | this is nut 2.2.2 |
| 21:19.09 | yareckon | thanks you two, I'll investigate |
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| 21:20.22 | Deiz_ | yareckon: That seems to print a list of packages, but there's no total count. I could check the linecount but that's a bit obtuse. |
| 21:20.39 | yareckon | oh, sorry, I thought you wanted alist |
| 21:20.45 | MoDaX | darius12: yeah, only in 2.0 |
| 21:20.46 | yareckon | | wc -l |
| 21:20.54 | MoDaX | darius12: have you tried regular megatec driver? |
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| 21:22.03 | Deiz_ | yareckon: Thanks. Now I don't need Synaptic to count packages. |
| 21:22.36 | yareckon | yeah, it's kind of a hack, but it's a unixy one :) |
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| 21:23.37 | darius12 | MoDaX: I don't have a serial port unfortunately :( |
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| 21:24.18 | MoDaX | darius12: try with your usb port anyway. won't hurt |
| 21:24.36 | darius12 | tried: it didn't work :( |
| 21:25.10 | darius12 | I tried to strace upsdrvctl and I see lots of -EPERMs |
| 21:25.25 | MoDaX | Deiz_: aptitude search ~i | wc -l |
| 21:25.37 | wald0 | everytime i press the Print button (that Print button of the keyboards), my printer prints what i have in the terminal... how i can disable this button ? |
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| 21:25.44 | darius12 | although I 'm testing as root to eliminate permission problems as a possibility |
| 21:26.06 | MoDaX | darius12: ls -l /dev/usb/hiddev0 |
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| 21:26.42 | darius12 | crw-rw-r-- 1 root nut 180, 96 2008-09-16 23:37 /dev/usb/hiddev0 |
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| 21:27.51 | darius12 | MoDaX: and nut is in the nut group |
| 21:28.35 | MoDaX | darius12: what actions cause EPERMs? |
| 21:28.43 | MoDaX | err, what syscalls |
| 21:29.02 | embrik | is it possible to get a list of active users on a server? |
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| 21:29.12 | darius12 | ioctl(4, USBDEVFS_CONTROL, 0xbff7d26c) = -1 EPERM |
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| 21:29.32 | vjoe | hello |
| 21:29.42 | darius12 | open("/dev/bus/usb/002/001", O_RDWR) = -1 EACCES |
| 21:29.47 | vjoe | I have just installed xsane but it can't find any devices |
| 21:29.51 | embrik | users forget to log off the nx-server, and I want to kick them out or kill their prosesses |
| 21:29.52 | MoDaX | embrik: w, who |
| 21:30.01 | zinx | darius12: you need to set the permissions to allow nut to access that in /etc/udev/rules.d/ somewhere |
| 21:30.22 | embrik | MoDaX, when i use who, I only get my own name |
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| 21:30.40 | MoDaX | embrik: ps aux will show all processes |
| 21:30.48 | zinx | darius12: ACTION=="add", BUS=="usb", SYSFS{idVendor}=="????", SYSFS{idProduct}=="????", MODE="0660", GROUP="nut" or similar |
| 21:30.52 | embrik | MoDaX, ok, thanks |
| 21:31.08 | MoDaX | darius12: try stripping down ups.conf to bare minimum (driver, port, desc) |
| 21:31.33 | vjoe | pls help |
| 21:31.36 | MoDaX | darius12: are you sure the device is correct? |
| 21:31.39 | vjoe | there is no xsane article in the wiki |
| 21:31.59 | zinx | darius12: the default file (/etc/udev/rules.d/52_nut-usbups.rules) has a lot of them, but apparently not yours.. note: don't alter that file |
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| 21:32.55 | darius12 | zinx: I think I 'll just chown this dir temporarily. If I make this work, then I 'll fix it permanently through udev rules |
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| 21:33.12 | embrik | MoDaX, can I put on an option to count the prosesses? |
| 21:33.37 | vjoe | I have just installed xsane but it can't find any devices, although they are connected and turned one |
| 21:33.40 | vjoe | on* |
| 21:33.54 | MoDaX | embrik: wc -l (counts lines) |
| 21:34.02 | Hisamu | anyone knows if acpi=off can make my eth0 connection to not work? |
| 21:34.16 | MoDaX | and each process is given one line |
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| 21:34.50 | vjoe | why are you ignoring me? |
| 21:34.57 | embrik | MoDaX, thanks again |
| 21:35.02 | embrik | bye |
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| 21:35.34 | adama__ | vjoe: I don't know anything about xsane. does that help? |
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| 21:35.48 | MoDaX | vjoe: plug in the scanner. dmesg | tail should show the device name |
| 21:35.56 | raijin | vjoe: permissions? |
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| 21:36.21 | darius12 | MoDaX: For the device at least I 'm sure |
| 21:36.25 | Orion_X11 | Could someone try to load this page? I am using epiphany wb > http://www.mangolanguages.com/lesson/view#/5 Which might be the problem that I am not able to load it? |
| 21:36.27 | vjoe | raijin: maybe, I don't know |
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| 21:36.41 | vjoe | I am searching in google and nothing appears. And there is no article in the wiki |
| 21:36.46 | vjoe | the man page is useless to |
| 21:36.47 | vjoe | too |
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| 21:37.02 | MoDaX | Orion_X11: it needs flash |
| 21:37.14 | nucco | hi, i'm trying to recover data from my encrypted /home, but i get error: command failed: no key available with this passphrase |
| 21:37.17 | Orion_X11 | MoDaX: I have flash |
| 21:37.28 | darius12 | MoDaX: It looks like nut searches for some kind of pattern and if it doesn't find it it discards the device or something |
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| 21:37.45 | darius12 | I guess the only solution is look inside the source :( |
| 21:38.23 | darius12 | stupid ups manufacturers |
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| 21:38.48 | MoDaX | yeah |
| 21:39.47 | MoDaX | Orion_X11: then it should be viewable. maybe try iceweasel |
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| 21:40.18 | mewshi | Hello :) |
| 21:40.20 | sbi- | Hi. What's the name of the tool that let's you see keycodes on a console? Kinda like xev for X? |
| 21:40.42 | MoDaX | sbi-: dumpkeys |
| 21:40.43 | vjoe | I have also myself to the scanner group, and yet, it doesn't work |
| 21:40.46 | sbi- | MoDaX: thanks |
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| 21:40.54 | vjoe | also added* |
| 21:41.03 | sbi- | MoDaX: nope, not what I meant |
| 21:41.21 | sbi- | MoDaX: I mean the one that sits there and waits for me to press keys |
| 21:41.29 | MoDaX | sbi-: showkey |
| 21:41.29 | sbi- | MoDaX: and then tells me which keycodes they send |
| 21:42.14 | okaratas | shutdown -r now (new kernel 2.6.26.5 (building restart)) |
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| 21:43.12 | Firefishe | I just installed debian gnu/linux with a 2.6.18-5-486 kernel image. I have gnome, kde, and xfce4 desktops installed. I've done my apt-get update and apt-get upgrade commands; each is complete. I've looked at dpkg's information about lenny. I want to dist-upgrade to lenny. Is there anything more I should know? |
| 21:43.34 | sbi- | MoDaX: that's the one. thanks. |
| 21:43.49 | wald0 | everytime i press the Print button (that Print button of the keyboards), my printer prints what i have in the terminal... how i can disable this button ? |
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| 21:44.33 | mewshi | mew :3 |
| 21:44.40 | MoDaX | !tell Firefishe about etch->lenny |
| 21:44.41 | mewshi | has it ALL set up, except for two things :) |
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| 21:45.33 | Firefishe | MoDaX: I already looked at it. What I want to know is if the **only** thing I have to do is change the sources.list file entries to lenny? Are there any other caveats? |
| 21:46.16 | Firefishe | MoDaX: Some files depend on other files for a proper dist-upgrade. I just don't want to fry anything in the process. |
| 21:46.17 | MoDaX | Firefishe: generally no. but some packages might fail to upgrade though |
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| 21:46.36 | Firefishe | MoDaX: In that case, what might I expect to happen? |
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| 21:46.51 | wols | Firefishe: if you used 3rd party, non debian repos |
| 21:47.03 | wols | eactually any software that is not frm the debian etch repo |
| 21:47.06 | MoDaX | Firefishe: depends on what package is left broken |
| 21:47.26 | Firefishe | wols: I'm using the standard mirror for the u.s. |
| 21:47.40 | MoDaX | Firefishe: if it fails during the first dist-upgrade, try again. it will likely succeed then |
| 21:47.58 | Firefishe | MoDaX: Ah, so if one dist-upgrade doesn't work, try another? |
| 21:48.22 | MoDaX | yes, esp. if failed due to conflicting files |
| 21:49.05 | MoDaX | just make sure dist-upgrade does not want to remove important packages |
| 21:49.30 | phorce1 | I understand this isn't a debian specific question but ... My mail servers were offline for 4 days due to hurricane ike. Inbound email is causing TCP drops due to the flood and Amavis spam checks are causing a queue backup 16000 messages and climbing. Does anyone know how to temporarily make amavidd-new STOP performing all checks and just deliver everything immediately to the downstream server? |
| 21:49.35 | Firefishe | MoDaX: Should I use aptitude or apt-get? |
| 21:49.40 | Deiz_ | MoDaX: Thanks for aptitude search ~i, it affords me slightly more precision. |
| 21:49.44 | MoDaX | Firefishe: you should have installed base etch system, upgraded it to lenny and then installed full blown DEs |
| 21:49.57 | Firefishe | MoDaX: Whoops ;) |
| 21:50.28 | Firefishe | I've got all the pwitty dewsktowps in already <goo> ;) |
| 21:50.35 | Firefishe | I alweady |
| 21:50.36 | Firefishe | ;) |
| 21:50.37 | PiousMinion | stew: thanks for the help with cron. I'm an idiot. lol |
| 21:50.39 | Firefishe | mean |
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| 21:50.45 | MoDaX | Firefishe: aptitude is better choise. but it may want to remove packages you need |
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| 21:51.58 | Firefishe | MoDaX: How can I tell what packages to be removed, if any, are more important than others? I mean, as a general guide, for what might I want to watch? Also, is there a way to suppress aptitude or apt-get from removing what I don't want removed? |
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| 21:52.44 | webPragmatist | how can i force files created (or updated) in a directory to be group writable? |
| 21:52.50 | kramers | hi all, i need help with connection sharing: i'm sharing using ipmasq and it works fine with most applications but what when a client has to host a server application ? |
| 21:52.53 | MoDaX | Firefishe: packages starting with lib* or having lib the name are OK to be removed |
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| 21:53.01 | datacrusher | está away; jantando - desde[18:02:53] site[n/a] email[none@none] uin[none] log[on] pager[off] -=[Cyber]=- |
| 21:53.12 | Tramp | !tell datacrusher about away |
| 21:53.18 | MoDaX | Firefishe: as for anything else, check if you will need that application |
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| 21:54.35 | MoDaX | Deiz_: aptitude can do very complex queries |
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| 21:55.42 | Qantourisc | What is prefered ? testing or backport ? |
| 21:55.53 | MoDaX | Qantourisc: on the desktop? |
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| 21:56.02 | Qantourisc | MoDaX: server |
| 21:56.07 | MoDaX | Qantourisc: backports |
| 21:56.19 | Qantourisc | MoDaX: what will happen during update ? |
| 21:56.28 | Qantourisc | MoDaX: it'ill work out ? |
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| 21:56.36 | MoDaX | Qantourisc: what upgrade? |
| 21:56.51 | Qantourisc | MoDaX: next release ? (lenny i think |
| 21:57.06 | Qantourisc | MoDaX: i have no PGP for backport ... |
| 21:57.08 | MoDaX | Qantourisc: if you use backports.org, it should not cause problems |
| 21:57.14 | Qantourisc | Wok |
| 21:57.20 | wald0 | where is configured the Print key of the keyboards ? i don't want that my printer prints anything when i press it accidentally |
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| 21:57.35 | Qantourisc | aa there we gp |
| 21:57.50 | MoDaX | wald0: you will have to mess with keymaps |
| 21:58.07 | MoDaX | not my area of expertise |
| 21:58.08 | Alex1 | hey guys.. I gotta a doubt about DMZ. I am not sure about which services I should put in DMZ... What would you guys suggest me? |
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| 21:58.58 | Firefishe | MoDaX: Thanks for your help. I appreciate all the assistance I receive here. |
| 21:59.16 | stew | Qantourisc: if you want to verify the backports packages with their pgp signature, read the instructions page at backports.org |
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| 21:59.34 | Qantourisc | stew: i just did, thanks anyway |
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| 22:00.35 | stew | rideick: anything that exposes a service to the untrusted network |
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| 22:01.35 | yareckon | time to run update for some openssh issue again; DSA-1638-1 |
| 22:01.53 | rideick | stew: I see.. what if my web server has to access my internal database? |
| 22:01.56 | yareckon | minor DOS only though it seems |
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| 22:02.42 | Qantourisc | still sort of likes gentoo, less version conflict issue :p |
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| 22:02.57 | Qantourisc | however TONS more painfull to resovle :D |
| 22:03.01 | datacrusher | está away; jantando - desde[18:02:53] site[n/a] email[none@none] uin[none] log[on] pager[off] -=[Cyber]=- |
| 22:03.16 | dmoerner | dpkg, tell datacrusher -about away |
| 22:03.22 | MoDaX | datacrusher: please stop this crap |
| 22:04.13 | rideick | ?? |
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| 22:06.56 | stew | rideick: i'd put the database server in the dmz |
| 22:08.19 | deadcat | "repair and servicing of Information management System equipment" is this mean computers? |
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| 22:10.44 | bblum | hey all, what user does apache2 run as? is it www-data, or daemon, or...? |
| 22:11.55 | stew | bblum: www-data |
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| 22:13.01 | datacrusher | está away; jantando - desde[18:02:53] site[n/a] email[none@none] uin[none] log[on] pager[off] -=[Cyber]=- |
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| 22:13.30 | bblum | stew: okay, thanks |
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| 22:14.02 | datacrusher | retornou do away; jantando - duração[1h11m5s] -=[Cyber]=- |
| 22:14.05 | Saar | how can i unaccept a sun java license? |
| 22:14.33 | dmoerner | datacrusher, turn that off, please. for the 3rd time. |
| 22:14.38 | Saar | or better, where does apt-get/dpkg store the fact you accepted it? |
| 22:14.58 | datacrusher | sorry |
| 22:15.09 | datacrusher | it gots automaticaly, iv installed this script today |
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| 22:15.38 | stew | Saar: destroy all copies of the software it covered |
| 22:16.05 | Firefishe | MoDaX: One more question if I may: I just changed the sources.list file, then did apt-get update. Do I just do apt-get dist-upgrade now, or should i perform apt-get update first? |
| 22:16.24 | Saar | hm |
| 22:16.32 | Firefishe | MoDaX: The last should be apt-get upgrade, not update |
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| 22:16.58 | stew | Saar: "dpkg-reconfigure pacakgename" would ask you the question again, i'd think |
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| 22:17.14 | stew | Saar: but if you actually want to unaccept the license, you have to destroy all the sun software |
| 22:17.24 | Saar | ok |
| 22:17.42 | Saar | well what i need to find out if an apt-get -y --force-yes will auto accept the license |
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| 22:17.55 | stew | hopefully not |
| 22:18.05 | Saar | ok |
| 22:18.12 | MoDaX | Firefishe: now do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:18.20 | yareckon | hehe, eventually he will wonder why he's getting kicked from all the channels he's on and figure it out |
| 22:18.22 | Firefishe | MoDaX: Thank you. |
| 22:18.32 | Firefishe | MoDaX: **crosses fins** ;) |
| 22:18.53 | stew | Firefishe: you should use aptitude not apt-get |
| 22:18.57 | yareckon | I think debian is taking a little longer than most to enforce the no lamers ordinances |
| 22:19.19 | Saar | aptitude is odd |
| 22:20.06 | yareckon | Saar, true, but stew is the boss :) |
| 22:20.08 | Firefishe | stew/Saar: okay... I didn't like the output apt-get dist-upgrade gave me, it wanted to remove completely most, if not all, of kde. |
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| 22:20.40 | Saar | Firefishe: that's a good thing |
| 22:20.54 | Saar | i bet it then wanted to update it too no? |
| 22:22.10 | Saar | i tried aptitude a few times but just can't get the hang of it |
| 22:23.12 | Firefishe | stew: Is aptitude's dependency resolving solution I just experienced--or should I say, solutions--a normal thing? How deep should I go with the suggestions? |
| 22:23.57 | stew | Firefishe: yes, that is one advantage of aptitude, is that it will present you with more than one possible solution to a dependency problem, rank them, and let you select from them |
| 22:24.01 | MoDaX | aptitude is very powerful. but it removes unnecessary autoinstalled packages by default |
| 22:24.51 | MoDaX | in case most of stuff was installed with metapackages, removal of a metapackage will cause removal of the whole thing |
| 22:25.18 | stew | MoDaX: but that is easily fixed |
| 22:25.28 | stew | MoDaX: by unmarking the stuff that you want to keep |
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| 22:25.37 | cx42 | hello ! |
| 22:25.58 | MoDaX | sure, when you know what to do and why that happens ;) |
| 22:25.58 | cx42 | Do you know if it's possible to install php5-gd without x11-common with apt ? |
| 22:26.03 | Firefishe | stew: Are you assuming I'm using synaptic? |
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| 22:26.14 | stew | Firefishe: no, i was assuming you were using aptitude |
| 22:26.48 | Firefishe | stew: ok..I thought so, just wanted to be certain. How does one uncheck choices with aptitude? It's all command line from what I can see. |
| 22:27.06 | Firefishe | stew: I mean, when I type: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 22:27.28 | stew | Firefishe: if you want the gui, type "aptitude" by itself |
| 22:27.36 | dmoerner | :package will keep the package at its current version (be that installed or not) |
| 22:27.39 | stew | Firefishe: what do you mean by "uncheck"? |
| 22:28.01 | Firefishe | stew: unselect; negate a package to install |
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| 22:28.41 | stew | Firefishe: what package are you trying to keep from being installed, and why? |
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| 22:29.48 | Firefishe | stew: I'm not at present. I'm working to make certain that when I do a dist-upgrade to lenny, I'm not going to fry my etch install. I had sound driver issues earlier today, and had to fry the entire install and start from scratch. |
| 22:29.49 | drwahl | i'm curious if anyone has any expierence/opinions about debtorrent. i'm considering installing it, but i'm not sure if it is really worth installing |
| 22:30.14 | Firefishe | stew: I have no particular packages in mind at the moment, I just want to get on with the dist-upgrade process |
| 22:30.29 | Firefishe | stew: ...with as few headaches as possible ;) |
| 22:30.48 | stew | Firefishe: i'd recommend using the frontend if you need that kind of control |
| 22:31.02 | Firefishe | stew..the gui, in other words? |
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| 22:31.12 | stew | i don't know if for etch->lenny running upgrade is recommended before dist-upgrade like it was for sarge->etch |
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| 22:31.35 | stew | Firefishe: yes |
| 22:31.53 | Firefishe | stew...a most valid point. I have not done a standard upgrade since changing the sources.list file. |
| 22:32.13 | Firefishe | stew: which is why I'm seeking wise counsel first. |
| 22:32.17 | datacrusher | how do i install bacula on debina? |
| 22:32.35 | Firefishe | apt-get install bacula ?? |
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| 22:32.52 | datacrusher | iv done the synaptic installation, but i got a shorcut that leads me to nothing |
| 22:32.57 | cx42 | any idea ? I'd like to not install x11-common with php5-gd, how I can do that ? |
| 22:33.13 | datacrusher | and ./bacula as it sayd on the bacula site dont run any of the files iv found with whereis |
| 22:33.30 | datacrusher | [Firefishe]: iv used synaptic |
| 22:33.34 | Firefishe | datacrusher: you may have to compile it from source |
| 22:33.39 | stew | datacrusher: check /usr/share/doc/bacula/README.Debian |
| 22:33.56 | MoDaX | cx42: you can't |
| 22:33.59 | stew | Firefishe: why would have to compile it from source? |
| 22:34.24 | Firefishe | stew: i was only making a suggestion. I've actually never heard of it. |
| 22:34.33 | lolufail | hi can someone help me with grub? I cant get it to boot automatically... always waits for my command! |
| 22:34.45 | Firefishe | stew: I've had to compile a few weird programs to get what I wanted out of them, though. |
| 22:34.51 | stew | lolufail: did you run "update-grub" ? |
| 22:35.04 | lolufail | no |
| 22:35.08 | datacrusher | [stew]: hm |
| 22:35.09 | stew | Firefishe: i don't see why he'd have to compile anything |
| 22:35.20 | Firefishe | stew: k...np |
| 22:35.22 | datacrusher | the folder on share/docs its here |
| 22:35.23 | yareckon | ciao kids |
| 22:35.26 | datacrusher | ill read the radme |
| 22:35.36 | lolufail | stew: at one time I had imeout: 5 instead of timeout: 5 in the menu.lst |
| 22:35.41 | lolufail | since then it waits. |
| 22:35.45 | Firefishe | stew: oh, incidentally, here's the output of my apt-get dist-upgrade: http://rafb.net/p/2HWV4v22.html |
| 22:36.02 | stew | lolufail: can you show us your menu.lst? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:36.09 | Saar | anyone know if user account and password are stored in any accessible way when preseeding, so I can use these variables in certain commands |
| 22:36.18 | lolufail | /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:36.22 | lolufail | ups |
| 22:36.31 | yareckon | btw, datacrusher, fix your away status if you haven't yet |
| 22:36.37 | cx42 | MoDaX: How can I do that so ? By compiling the sources ? |
| 22:36.37 | Firefishe | stew: Seems kind of short for a dist-upgrade |
| 22:37.01 | MoDaX | cx42: why do you want to avoid it? |
| 22:37.08 | joltcan | Saar: Don't know what you are after, but user accounts are stored in /etc/passwd, and the passords in /etc/shadow, but those are one-way encrypted |
| 22:37.12 | stew | Firefishe: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 22:37.23 | datacrusher | hm |
| 22:37.26 | MoDaX | cx42: I think there is a good reason it is a dependency |
| 22:37.28 | datacrusher | the command line its pretty harsh |
| 22:37.32 | datacrusher | its bconsole |
| 22:37.35 | neurodamage | http://linux.justinhartman.com/Postfix_and_Courier_Installation_using_MySQL, I've tried running the last sql statement, but I get that there are errors that exist? |
| 22:37.39 | neurodamage | anyone know what that's about? |
| 22:38.13 | Saar | joltcan: yes i know, but the values for those are preseeded, so they are stored somewhere, I just wonder if I can use them while the install still goes, say at the end when there is still a usable /target |
| 22:38.15 | joltcan | neurodamage: CREATE TABLE transport? |
| 22:38.38 | Saar | in my case i preseed them, but the password is md5 |
| 22:38.50 | Firefishe | stew: http://rafb.net/p/ALg5J788.html |
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| 22:39.39 | joltcan | Saar: No idea. What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 22:40.26 | cx42 | MoDaX: Apparently no, php5-gd use font, font uses x11 to be rendered ... |
| 22:40.41 | neurodamage | joltcan: yes |
| 22:40.54 | jdrake | If I install 'kde4' (using the packages for lenny), will I be able to remove kde4 and have all the dependencies that were installed for it removed as well - as if it never was - save for the ~/.* files |
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| 22:41.22 | lolufail | Too many queries from you, ignoring for 5 minutes. |
| 22:41.24 | lolufail | lol shit |
| 22:41.29 | joltcan | neurodamage: Does the other ones succed? Do you get SQL errors? Have you used the exact statements copied from that page? |
| 22:41.30 | lolufail | how the fuck do you use that pastebin ;) |
| 22:41.32 | lolufail | stew: http://rafb.net/p/JiTZv828.html |
| 22:41.38 | lolufail | lol timeout is commented |
| 22:41.40 | Firefishe | language, really |
| 22:41.42 | lolufail | weird. |
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| 22:42.40 | Saar | joltcan: well you can add your own commands near the end, such as "in-target apt-get update" I would like to some things to the preseeded user account, say installing custom software, checkout source, for that I would need the accountname and password, anyways probably to insecure to put into practice |
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| 22:43.26 | Firefishe | stew: were you able to look at the output of apt-cache policy? |
| 22:43.48 | neurodamage | joltcan: all the other statements succeed yes...and I am copy pasting, yes |
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| 22:45.27 | joaop | i installed mysql-server/client but can create a new database , i dont have permission, how can i create a new database ? it's my first access to the db |
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| 22:48.07 | stew | lolufail: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 22:48.15 | joltcan | Saar: The only opinion that I see right now (after a few beers :) is to use some other passwd backend if the password is necessery to retrive, i.e. ldap/sql |
| 22:48.29 | Firefishe | stew: I found a discrepancy. I forgot to change one etch line to lenny. That might explain my short upgrade list. |
| 22:48.32 | stew | Firefishe: are you sure you aren't already running lenny? |
| 22:48.32 | lolufail | stew: ubuntu ppl are all noobs |
| 22:49.07 | neurodamage | joltcan: any thoughts :) |
| 22:49.08 | stew | lolufail: ubuntu ppl and ubuntu are off-topic here, sorry. if you aren't getting the help you need from #ubuntu, perhaps try a ubuntu mailing list or a ubuntu web forum |
| 22:49.23 | lolufail | k |
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| 22:49.39 | dustybin | !tell stew about being too polite |
| 22:49.39 | Firefishe | stew: Well, I'm only using 2.6.18-5-486 kernel image. Isn't that a bit old, compared to the 2.6.26 kernel? Or is that irrelevant? |
| 22:49.47 | stew | Firefishe: did you change it before or after you ran "apt-cache policy" ? |
| 22:50.05 | Firefishe | you mean the sources.list file? |
| 22:50.12 | stew | Firefishe: what version does "apt-cache policy libc6" report for "Installed:" ? |
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| 22:50.20 | joltcan | neurodamage: not really, the only thing would be if you are using a mysql older than 5.0 where they seem to use UNIQUE key a lot |
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| 22:50.56 | stew | Firefishe: 2.6.18-5-486 should probably be upgraded, yes, but a "dist-upgrade" wouldn't necessarily upgrade it, you'd have to install a new linux-image pacakge ("apt-cache search -n linux-image" would get you a list of choices) |
| 22:51.39 | stoned | ewfor i in *;do convert -resize 200% "$i" "$i_bigger";done |
| 22:51.41 | stoned | er.. |
| 22:51.44 | stoned | for i in *;do convert -resize 200% "$i" "$i_bigger";done |
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| 22:53.08 | Firefishe | stew: Here's my current sources.list . You'll probably notice one error where I forgot to replace etch with lenny. I also backed up my original etch sources.list, like a good boy. Should I revert to that list when doing the apt-cache search for the new kernel images, or switch everything over to lenny as I'm doing currently?> |
| 22:53.35 | Firefishe | stew: Here's a copy of my sources.list: http://rafb.net/p/h3tD6X19.html |
| 22:53.56 | stoned | for i in *;do convert -resize 200% "$i" "$i_bigger";done <-- I am trying to resizxe all images. THe images that are named "blah 1" blah 2" (with a spcae in them) give me an erorr |
| 22:54.12 | stoned | it doesn't work on images ($i) that has spaces in it |
| 22:54.18 | stoned | how can I escape this? |
| 22:54.37 | Firefishe | stew: One sec for the apt-cache policy libc6 output. |
| 22:54.40 | neurodamage | joltcan: huh I forget how to check in the mysql command line :) |
| 22:54.50 | stew | Firefishe: oh, you only changed the security line, you should change everything that says etch to say lenny |
| 22:55.22 | unop | stoned, what error do you get? quoting $i like in the command should take care of spaces, you shouldn't need to do anyhting more |
| 22:55.41 | stoned | well it just gives me a output of weird binary characts |
| 22:55.46 | stoned | like when trying to cat a binary file |
| 22:55.56 | dmoerner | stoned, the problem is in "$i_bigger" if you want it to work without mangling it then "$i"_bigger is what you want I think |
| 22:55.56 | stoned | and no $i_bigger is written |
| 22:56.01 | stoned | ohh |
| 22:56.03 | stoned | ok |
| 22:56.06 | stoned | brb |
| 22:56.09 | dmoerner | it is looking for a nonexistent variable |
| 22:56.17 | unop | stoned, try making that "${i}_bigger" |
| 22:56.18 | Firefishe | stew: http://rafb.net/p/4NYFss16.html |
| 22:56.25 | dmoerner | or unop's suggestion |
| 22:56.31 | Firefishe | stew: apt-cache policy libc6 outpout |
| 22:56.33 | Firefishe | output |
| 22:58.32 | stew | Firefishe: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 22:58.41 | neurodamage | ok here's another one for you guys, what's replaced my git-core, because I can't even do a git --bare init |
| 22:58.44 | neurodamage | on a directory |
| 22:58.47 | Firefishe | stew: I've looked at that a lot today |
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| 22:59.22 | Firefishe | stew: I'll go over it again |
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| 22:59.29 | Firefishe | and again, if necessary ;) |
| 23:00.18 | Firefishe | stew: okay, I have it now. Do the update first, then the other. Well, here goes. |
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| 23:02.06 | stoned | hey thanks man |
| 23:02.09 | stoned | ok |
| 23:02.19 | stoned | hey listen its not recursing I tried -R and -r |
| 23:02.33 | stoned | for i in *;do convert -resize 200% "$i" bigger_"$i";done <-- how do i make convert recurse through all subdir |
| 23:02.55 | stoned | I tried convert -R and -r and no recurs option in man convert I saw |
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| 23:04.35 | stoned | i guess i'll use find and xargs |
| 23:04.37 | stoned | goddamit |
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| 23:05.15 | neurodamage | so yeah about git-core, why is that installed but it's giving me issues about it? cause deiban has specific packages? |
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| 23:06.36 | dmoerner | neurodamage, what issues are you having? is there an error if you just do a git init? |
| 23:06.49 | stoned | find -name "*jpg" -exec convert -resize 200% {} \; <-- how to specify the 2nd argument for convert resize (it needs a 2nd filename) I'd like to keep the filenameand prepend bigger_filename.ext |
| 23:06.50 | lolufail | has anybody seen this before?: mount.nfs4: Operation not permitted |
| 23:06.53 | stoned | dmoerner, any idea |
| 23:07.14 | stoned | or unop |
| 23:07.16 | stoned | any of the gurus |
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| 23:07.43 | unop | stoned, while read -d '\0' file; do convert .. "$file" "big_${file}"; done < <(find /someplace -iname "*.jp*g" -print0) |
| 23:08.30 | Tramp | stoned: (gnu) find replaces the "{}" multiple times. man find. |
| 23:08.35 | unop | stoned, actually beware - "big_${file}" might not work here as $file contains the whole path. |
| 23:08.53 | neurodamage | dmoerner: well it seems it's trying to run gitfm? something about alternatives/transition scripts, that stuff? |
| 23:09.15 | Tramp | stoned: oh, what unop says is right ofc. - see "-execdir" |
| 23:09.23 | stoned | uhuh |
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| 23:11.45 | datacrusher | http://pastebin.com/d136fddc8 can someone look what im missing on the dvd iso creation? |
| 23:12.06 | Tramp | stoned: and it would be polite if you'd stop asking your questions in (at least) 3 channels. |
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| 23:14.02 | tompaw | hello |
| 23:14.30 | tompaw | if I'm on stable, can I build and use a kernel which is newer that the one from debian's repos? |
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| 23:15.14 | neurodamage | dmoerner: basically it's not running the git-core package for some reason and I can't figure out why, or what the gitfm binary belongs to? |
| 23:15.35 | unop | tompaw, yes, but some kernel modules might not work with the newer kernel |
| 23:16.01 | amphi | neurodamage: sounds like the gnu interactive tools |
| 23:16.06 | unop | tompaw, best to use what's in the repos unless you have a real need to do otherwise. |
| 23:16.47 | tompaw | unop: I do, truecrypt... |
| 23:17.01 | tompaw | unop: if I - however - choose the sources that are available in the repos |
| 23:17.22 | tompaw | linux-source-2.6.24 in particular |
| 23:17.38 | tompaw | and build using them, will it slightly increase my chances for compatibility? |
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| 23:18.47 | unop | tompaw, not sure |
| 23:18.58 | neurodamage | amphi: I am using what's in the repos? |
| 23:19.08 | unop | !truecrypt |
| 23:19.08 | dpkg | hmm... truecrypt is a non-free (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts at plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. See http://www.truecrypt.org |
| 23:19.19 | amphi | neurodamage: what are you trying to do? |
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| 23:20.28 | tompaw | unop: exactly, and it has HUGE issues with the stable's default kernel |
| 23:20.45 | tompaw | in particular: the write-to-disk rate is around 200Kbps :-) |
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| 23:21.18 | neurodamage | amphi: just run git the git-core package one...also trying to remember the command to generate a Maildir, directory in home directories for users. |
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| 23:50.23 | stoned | man find |
| 23:50.25 | stoned | doh |
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| 23:51.30 | zepolen | is there a maximum `ulimit -n` can handle? |
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| 23:52.58 | dudeman | Tramp, 3? |
| 23:53.40 | dudeman | Tramp, #debian (which I probably should not have) ##linux which is more appropriate, and then I finally realized the proper place to ask is probaby #bash |
| 23:53.43 | nivanson | Hi, I am setting up a debian server that is going to serve my private home-pages. I have two equally large hdds. Would you recommend putting them into a software raid-1 or use daily backup instead? Are there any articles concerning this topic? |
| 23:54.07 | dudeman | dudeman, if its rude to you, then sorry. Deal with it. I wasn't tyring to be rude. |
| 23:54.12 | Tramp | dudeman: yes. and simultanously in (linux,debian) then again simultanouly in (debian,bash) |
| 23:54.14 | Maulkin | notes that raid isn't a backup solution |
| 23:54.14 | dudeman | s/dudeman/Tramp |
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| 23:54.38 | Maulkin | And backups aren't a high availability solution :) |
| 23:54.49 | dudeman | Tramp, hey.. you can bitch at me about it.. or you can let it go. |
| 23:54.51 | stew | decides not to get into the 'raid can be used as a backup' argument again |
| 23:54.54 | dudeman | thanks for your help too :) |
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| 23:55.02 | nivanson | thanks, that pretty much sums it up |
| 23:55.08 | dudeman | man find I read but i guess i didn't read far down enough |
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| 23:55.15 | amphi | !blame dudeman |
| 23:55.15 | dpkg | blames ^garfield2^ and dudeman for the end of life as we know it |
| 23:55.18 | abrotman | stew: I think you can take Maulkin :) |
| 23:55.54 | stew | last time i think i ended up getting the person to say "ok, you're right, but you are wrong" |
| 23:56.06 | dudeman | the thing is stew |
| 23:56.15 | abrotman | your enter key is hyperactive? |
| 23:56.17 | smhar | greetings |
| 23:56.18 | dudeman | if you know how to argue correctly... you're never wrong. |
| 23:56.42 | Maulkin | However, if you do so on the internet, you're always wrong. |
| 23:56.49 | dudeman | Maulkin, hehe |
| 23:57.13 | dudeman | (I mean to say backup whatever you are saying with emperical data and or sound logic) |
| 23:57.14 | smhar | after an apt-get update apt-get upgrade session, my X stopped working and it gives an error: Failed to start the X server |
| 23:57.35 | smhar | how to get working again |
| 23:57.49 | smhar | oh.. this is a lenny laptop |
| 23:57.56 | nivanson | if i decide to go for daily backup on a non-raided system. is it possible to smoothly raid it up if i end up buying a spare drive? |
| 23:57.59 | stew | smhar: try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
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| 23:58.01 | dudeman | smhar, can you pastebin the /var/log/Xorg.0.log to pastebin |
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| 23:59.01 | Maulkin | nivanson: smoothish, yes |
| 23:59.03 | abrotman | nivanson: i think the swraid howto covers this |
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| 23:59.22 | Tray_Guisse | afternoon everyone |
