| 00:00.08 | nivanson | great! thank you for your kindness. |
| 00:01.43 | smhar | dudeman: let me see. I will move the file from the laptop to this drsktop by nfs and then paste it.. give me a minute |
| 00:02.23 | abrotman | smhar: just check the end of the log and see if there is anything useful there to start with |
| 00:04.16 | Tray_Guisse | Verry new to Debian/linuxi was dondering if some one could help with a puzzle i have when i try to do anything with mono i looks the dill it needs in /usr/lib/mono/1.0 and not in /usr/lib/mono/2.0 where all the dill are anyone know how i can get mono to look in the right place |
| 00:04.29 | Tray_Guisse | wondering* |
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| 00:08.20 | smhar | stew: dudeman: abrotman: here is the log file: http://paste.debian.net/17415/ |
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| 00:08.50 | abrotman | smhar: is "xorg" installed ? |
| 00:09.04 | abrotman | more importantly xserver-xorg-input-kbd |
| 00:09.16 | abrotman | smhar: but try to `aptitude install xorg` and see what it spits at you |
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| 00:09.36 | smhar | abrotman: It is.. at least it was.. this laptop was running gnome nicely before the update |
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| 00:11.44 | smhar | abrotman: aptitude doesnt want to install anything after I gave that command. It only wants to REMOVE 38 packages, mostly libraries |
| 00:12.08 | samantha-b- | so i'm using ssh to go from a debian system to a debian system, and when i run midnight commander, the graphics are all broken and the boxes don't display correctly. what do i need to do so i get a comprehensible mc display in an ssh session? |
| 00:12.09 | abrotman | smhar: paste that output .. and your sources.list |
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| 00:16.24 | smhar | abrotman: aptitude output: http://paste.debian.net/17416/ sources: http://paste.debian.net/17417/ |
| 00:17.24 | abrotman | smhar: when is the last time you did a dist-upgrade? |
| 00:18.10 | smhar | abrotman: I do it every day, even after X stopped |
| 00:18.34 | abrotman | smhar: and you probably want to change all your sources to point to lenny instead of half/half |
| 00:18.53 | smhar | abrotman: oh wait .. that was dist-ugrade not apt-get upgrade.... it was some time ago.. maybe a mont or more |
| 00:19.01 | abrotman | you might want to do one |
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| 00:22.02 | smhar | abrotman: ok.. 223mb to be downloaded.. this will take a while :-) |
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| 00:22.14 | abrotman | smhar: maybe next time you shouldn't wait so lnog |
| 00:22.19 | abrotman | and while you're waiting .. fix your sources |
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| 00:23.47 | dtcrshr | iv made a script backup, to copy all the content of an especif folder. the command is like this: "cp -rp /home/folder/ /backup/tue" but it only copyies the files on the folder, not all subfolders ans its files |
| 00:24.12 | smhar | abrotman: only VB is etch and madwifi is sid . the rest are all lenny |
| 00:24.23 | samantha-b- | dtcrshr, man rsync. it's faster and better than cp for your purpose. |
| 00:24.37 | abrotman | smhar: some are testing |
| 00:24.39 | dtcrshr | [samantha-b-]: thansk! |
| 00:25.03 | smhar | abrotman: but they are the same.. at least for now ! |
| 00:25.11 | abrotman | smhar: change them now before you forget |
| 00:25.17 | samantha-b- | dtcrshr, note that rsync is -usually- used for copying between two network devices (eg remote and local systems) but it can be used local to local. it even gives pretty progress output if you use the right switches. |
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| 00:25.47 | smhar | abrotman: good advice.. done |
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| 00:26.57 | smhar | I need to take a little nap while dist-upgrade is running.. it is 3:30 am already |
| 00:27.19 | smhar | bte for now |
| 00:28.03 | dtcrshr | wow |
| 00:28.05 | dtcrshr | its quite nice |
| 00:28.09 | dtcrshr | ill read more about it |
| 00:28.19 | dtcrshr | the output really bothers me, the cp just puts me time |
| 00:28.24 | dtcrshr | need some bars rolling |
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| 00:30.38 | jescis | Do I add paths to .bash_profile? and if so would it go after "${PATH}" or somewhere else? |
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| 00:34.23 | mxmx | cana nyone help me gt teh command to rar a file into 200mb chunkcs? |
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| 00:40.32 | mxmx | mn got it |
| 00:42.57 | m0 | I am having trouble running trac on my debian server |
| 00:43.22 | m0 | I am reading the README.Debian, and it said $ trac-admin /path/to/projectenv initenv |
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| 00:43.51 | m0 | But am getting this error: http://rafb.net/p/Oz1HAH63.html |
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| 00:48.10 | abrotman | using sudo might not be helping |
| 00:48.45 | d0lphin_n0el | quem me estava a pedir ajuda para um virus? |
| 00:50.16 | abrotman | d0lphin_n0el: english |
| 00:51.09 | d0lphin_n0el | abrotman sorry the ame here loots it works in all the servers damit for the software to irc in linux lol |
| 00:51.21 | abrotman | d0lphin_n0el: english |
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| 00:51.47 | d0lphin_n0el | abrotman this is english i allready explain to you in english what happen |
| 00:51.50 | d0lphin_n0el | what the problem? |
| 00:53.42 | d0lphin_n0el | relax |
| 00:53.42 | Somni | that wasn't recognizable English |
| 00:53.43 | d0lphin_n0el | :) |
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| 00:54.37 | Deiz_ | Are there any file search packages for Xfce? |
| 00:54.48 | samantha-b- | so i'm using ssh to go from a debian system to a debian system, and when i run midnight commander, the graphics are all broken and the boxes don't display correctly. what do i need to do so i get a comprehensible mc display in an ssh session? |
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| 00:57.35 | m0 | so trac can't get installed on debian :/ |
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| 00:58.50 | Agiofws | how do i apply a patch file on my system ? |
| 00:58.57 | abrotman | Agiofws: man patch |
| 00:58.59 | Agiofws | smp_define.patch |
| 00:59.00 | Agiofws | ? |
| 00:59.01 | abrotman | m0: try it without sudo |
| 00:59.13 | dmoerner | Agiofws, you have to patch the source of the package you need fixed and then rebuild that package |
| 00:59.17 | dmoerner | what is the patch for? |
| 00:59.23 | m0 | abrotman: same thing |
| 00:59.46 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/26603 |
| 01:00.09 | Agiofws | the source ? |
| 01:00.14 | Agiofws | its closed source |
| 01:00.48 | Agiofws | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=485605 |
| 01:00.59 | Agiofws | http://www.brabbel.net/wp/archives/120 |
| 01:01.05 | dmoerner | Agiofws, you need to apply that to /usr/src/modules/fglrx after installing fglrx-kernel-src |
| 01:01.35 | dmoerner | and then use m-a build on that (not m-a a-i which will unpack the source somewhere else without the patch) |
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| 01:03.02 | Agiofws | ati is f... worthlesss |
| 01:03.03 | dmoerner | m0, please try installing python-genshi |
| 01:03.30 | Agiofws | but its debians mistake i think |
| 01:04.08 | dmoerner | Agiofws, the bug report itself tells you were to apply it: "This one-liner patch against file firegl-public.c (included in |
| 01:04.08 | dmoerner | fglrx.tar.bz2) seems to fix it." |
| 01:04.29 | Agiofws | how |
| 01:04.41 | dmoerner | the bug report also says this is fixed in the newest fglrx... |
| 01:04.44 | Agiofws | i installed the fglrx from ati binary |
| 01:04.57 | Agiofws | but no source .. in |
| 01:04.58 | dmoerner | why? |
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| 01:05.07 | dmoerner | !fglrx-one-liner |
| 01:05.08 | Agiofws | you told me to install it |
| 01:05.23 | dmoerner | Agiofws, no i did not. |
| 01:05.24 | Agiofws | and run the patch on it |
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| 01:05.38 | dmoerner | Agiofws, i told you to install fglrx-kernel-src, which is a debian package. |
| 01:05.40 | dmoerner | !fglrx |
| 01:05.40 | dpkg | somebody said fglrx was "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary, #ati @ irc.freenode.net. See also <radeon>. |
| 01:05.41 | Agiofws | Agiofws, you need to apply that to /usr/src/modules/fglrx after installing fglrx-kernel-src |
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| 01:06.00 | dmoerner | dpkg, tell Agiofws -about fglrx one-liner |
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| 01:06.53 | Agiofws | Reading state information... Done |
| 01:06.53 | Agiofws | fglrx-kernel-src is already the newest version. |
| 01:07.18 | loopdee | kinda need some help, just installed etch, have ehci loaded but my usb camera seems to not be using it, wondering if anyone has ideas |
| 01:07.23 | Agiofws | ixus:/usr/share/ati# cd /usr/src/modules/ |
| 01:07.23 | Agiofws | ixus:/usr/src/modules# ls |
| 01:07.57 | dmoerner | Agiofws, do the fglrx one-liner that dpkg just told you. the bug report you referenced is fixed in the latest revision of fglrx in debian |
| 01:08.49 | dmoerner | why do you have a /usr/share/ati? that doesn't exist in any debian packages. did you try ati's binary from their website? if so, you should try again the debian way |
| 01:09.17 | Agiofws | dmoerner, dmoerner i installed atis binarys they worked on .23 |
| 01:09.28 | Agiofws | they dont work on .26 |
| 01:09.30 | zinx | ati's binaries can build debian packages |
| 01:09.49 | zinx | (real debian packages) |
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| 01:09.52 | dmoerner | Agiofws, that is not true as of 8.8, even for ati's binaries. |
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| 01:10.02 | Agiofws | dmoerner, the one liner finished |
| 01:10.02 | dmoerner | but the debian packages definitely work with 2.6.26 and 2.6.25 |
| 01:10.24 | Agiofws | dmoerner, it is .. true i am experiancing the problem |
| 01:11.21 | Agiofws | what sould i do ? |
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| 01:19.48 | Agiofws | can anyone help me install the fglrx driver in debian ? |
| 01:19.56 | Agiofws | whats its name after installation ? |
| 01:20.04 | Agiofws | so i can call it |
| 01:20.14 | Agiofws | apt get says its installed |
| 01:20.15 | apt | ACTION fetches says its installed |
| 01:20.32 | Agiofws | but when i start X |
| 01:20.41 | simonrvn | um, fgl<tab> ... |
| 01:20.42 | abrotman | which video card do you have? |
| 01:20.42 | Agiofws | its says fglrx is not found |
| 01:20.56 | Agiofws | ati 2600hd |
| 01:21.10 | simonrvn | *cough* kernel module + x driver *cough* |
| 01:21.36 | Agiofws | ixus:/usr/share/ati# fg |
| 01:21.36 | Agiofws | fg fgconsole fgrep |
| 01:21.48 | Agiofws | ixus:/usr/share/ati# uname -a |
| 01:21.48 | Agiofws | Linux ixus 2.6.26.5 #3 SMP Wed Sep 17 01:59:14 EEST 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 01:21.59 | Agiofws | driver fglrx |
| 01:22.26 | Agiofws | aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:22.34 | Agiofws | thats is what i executed ... |
| 01:22.57 | Agiofws | but when i tried to start x it just returned to console |
| 01:23.07 | loopdee | modeprobe fglrx ? |
| 01:23.25 | Agiofws | ixus:/usr/share/ati# modprobe fglrx |
| 01:23.26 | Agiofws | FATAL: Module fglrx not found. |
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| 01:24.32 | Agiofws | ? |
| 01:24.35 | Agiofws | anyone ? |
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| 01:24.44 | neurodamage | ok i 'm really annoyed with how debians pacakage management system works, but why after I install git do I get this crap, especially when git-core is installed?!? http://rafb.net/p/C5bSqL98.html |
| 01:24.51 | loopdee | theres wiki |
| 01:24.56 | loopdee | google wiki debian ati |
| 01:25.29 | loopdee | m-a fglrx |
| 01:25.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it normal, that inkscape doesn't show me a font called "Times" but it does show a font called "Times New Roman"? (the later is supposedly from the msfonts package - but why is there no font with the postscript name?) |
| 01:25.47 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/26604 |
| 01:25.50 | Agiofws | loopdee, ? |
| 01:25.53 | Agiofws | m-a ? |
| 01:26.49 | loopdee | i usualy get it from ati site |
| 01:26.50 | loopdee | sorry |
| 01:27.19 | loopdee | module-assistant prepare |
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| 01:27.25 | loopdee | module-assistant update |
| 01:27.26 | abrotman | neurodamage: git is telling you that git is pointing at gitfm |
| 01:27.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | am I just missing fonts, or did something go wrong transferring them to inkscape? |
| 01:27.34 | loopdee | module-assistant a-i fglrx |
| 01:27.47 | neurodamage | abrotman: right, but why? |
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| 01:27.55 | neurodamage | abrotman: I didn't install a gitfm package? |
| 01:28.09 | abrotman | neurodamage: etch? |
| 01:28.12 | simonrvn | Agiofws: depmod -Aa then try modprobe again |
| 01:28.38 | loopdee | yea |
| 01:28.40 | Agiofws | ixus:/usr/share/ati# modprobe fglrx |
| 01:28.40 | Agiofws | FATAL: Module fglrx not found. |
| 01:28.44 | neurodamage | abrotman: don't know got it through VPS provider |
| 01:28.52 | abrotman | neurodamage: 'git' is actualyl the filemanager .. you probably don't want the 'git' package at all |
| 01:28.57 | loopdee | reboot ? |
| 01:28.59 | abrotman | !info git etch |
| 01:29.13 | neurodamage | oh my gosh |
| 01:29.16 | Agiofws | i did reboot after that big oneliner |
| 01:29.19 | dpkg | git: (GNU Interactive Tools, a file browser/viewer and process viewer/killer), section utils, is optional. Version: 4.3.20-10 (etch), Packaged size: 261 kB, Installed size: 939 kB |
| 01:29.27 | abrotman | neurodamage: make more sense ? |
| 01:29.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean - the gsfonts packagage just looks as if it would contain the postscript (lookalike) fonts - but I don't find times in there |
| 01:29.59 | abrotman | neurodamage: you probably want git-core or cogito .. or both... but i'm not sure |
| 01:30.12 | neurodamage | abrotman: I have installed git-core though not git |
| 01:30.14 | loopdee | Agiofws did you do all those m-a ? |
| 01:30.22 | abrotman | neurodamage: dpkg -l git* |
| 01:30.26 | Agiofws | what m-a ? |
| 01:30.29 | Agiofws | how ? |
| 01:30.37 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/26605 |
| 01:30.47 | neurodamage | pn git <none> (no description available) |
| 01:30.50 | loopdee | module assistant |
| 01:30.56 | abrotman | neurodamage: dpkg -P git |
| 01:30.57 | neurodamage | abrotman: seems I am running etch indeed :) |
| 01:31.08 | abrotman | erm .. nevermind |
| 01:31.20 | abrotman | then run update-alternatives --config git |
| 01:31.23 | neurodamage | abrotman: pops out an error about removing a package that doesn't exist, how do I REINSTALL git-core and cogito? |
| 01:31.26 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/26606 |
| 01:31.27 | loopdee | and the depmod one |
| 01:31.32 | Agiofws | what m-a ?ff s |
| 01:31.35 | Agiofws | grrr |
| 01:31.37 | abrotman | neurodamage: aptitude install git-core cogito |
| 01:31.39 | loopdee | nm im delusional |
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| 01:31.56 | neurodamage | abrotman: seems there is only 1 program which provides git and that's git-scm, nothing to configure |
| 01:32.09 | simonrvn | Agiofws: you sure it was built successfully? |
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| 01:32.49 | Agiofws | simonrvn, i cam compile by hand i dont know how debian does it |
| 01:33.21 | simonrvn | m-a just automates stuff |
| 01:33.33 | Agiofws | ixus:/usr/share/ati# modprobe fglrx |
| 01:33.33 | Agiofws | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.26.5/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 01:33.34 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:33.48 | Agiofws | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.26.5/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 01:33.51 | loopdee | sudo |
| 01:33.54 | Agiofws | its a ff bug |
| 01:33.59 | simonrvn | it would be as if you ran make-kpkg modules_image with unpacked tarball you got from debian |
| 01:34.01 | loopdee | oh |
| 01:34.02 | Agiofws | i am root |
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| 01:34.27 | Agiofws | and here my dear freind is the message |
| 01:34.28 | Agiofws | look |
| 01:34.42 | loopdee | is it bad to download newst from ati.com |
| 01:34.58 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/26607 |
| 01:35.17 | abrotman | neurodamage: all fixed up ? |
| 01:35.29 | Agiofws | i installed a new kernel and not f... ati driver wont install |
| 01:35.42 | Agiofws | fglrx:KCL_enable_pat] *ERROR* Pat entry 2 is already configured |
| 01:35.42 | Agiofws | [fglrx] PAT is disabled! |
| 01:35.43 | Agiofws | ? |
| 01:35.47 | neurodamage | abrotman: indeed thanks :) |
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| 01:36.31 | Agiofws | anyone ? |
| 01:37.05 | loopdee | beer ? |
| 01:37.13 | Agiofws | grggr |
| 01:37.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it normal, that inkscape doesn't show me a font called "Times" but it does show a font called "Times New Roman"? (the later is supposedly from the msfonts package - but why is there no font with the postscript name?) |
| 01:38.13 | Agiofws | can anyone help me install f ati driver in debian ? |
| 01:38.23 | simonrvn | grrring at people is not going to fix it |
| 01:38.40 | simonrvn | !fglrx one-liner |
| 01:38.40 | dpkg | To install fglrx, first make sure you have <contrib> and <non-free sources> in your sources.list. Then: aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:38.46 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.04 | Agiofws | ok |
| 01:39.05 | simonrvn | ...4 hours? |
| 01:39.10 | Agiofws | first make sure you have <contrib> and <non-free sources> in your sources.list |
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| 01:39.13 | loopdee | when xserver-xorg runs do ou select fglrx as driver ? |
| 01:39.18 | simonrvn | that's pretty much what you said you did |
| 01:39.24 | Agiofws | yes cuase there is a bug somewhre |
| 01:39.36 | loopdee | the first time i tried ati driver i was on for a day or two |
| 01:39.43 | Agiofws | it can install in 2..6.23 |
| 01:39.56 | craigevil | Agiofws: you could always try the sidux smxi script |
| 01:40.01 | Agiofws | it wont work in 2.6.26 |
| 01:40.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, guess I edit the svg to use Times New Roman - at least that's there |
| 01:40.19 | Agiofws | first make sure you have <contrib> and <non-free sources> in your sources.list. ? |
| 01:40.21 | Agiofws | ok |
| 01:40.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird though, that there is no obvious times replacement |
| 01:40.45 | Agiofws | ixus:/etc/apt# paste < sources.list |
| 01:40.45 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/13A86s51.html |
| 01:41.16 | Agiofws | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main non-free ? |
| 01:41.32 | craigevil | lenny main contrib non-free |
| 01:41.55 | Agiofws | ok a contricb ? source url ? |
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| 01:42.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, you weren't helpful either this time |
| 01:42.26 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 01:42.57 | craigevil | just add contrib non-free to a deb mirror> my sources.list |
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| 01:43.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | do that |
| 01:44.05 | Agiofws | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 01:44.05 | Agiofws | ? |
| 01:44.14 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 01:44.47 | Agiofws | ok done |
| 01:44.50 | Agiofws | now ? |
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| 01:45.01 | craigevil | aptitude update |
| 01:45.22 | craigevil | then follow the fglrc one-liner |
| 01:45.42 | yigal | My locales are defaulting to en_AU. UTF-8 even though I used dpkg-reconfigure locales for en_US.UTF-8 need help, as I certainly haven't installed en_AU.UTF-8 and am getting all sorts of fall backs to C. |
| 01:45.43 | Agiofws | Reading task descriptions... Done |
| 01:45.43 | Agiofws | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 01:45.43 | Agiofws | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 799 not upgraded. |
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| 01:46.09 | Agiofws | ixus:/etc/apt# fg |
| 01:46.09 | Agiofws | fg fgconsole fgrep |
| 01:46.26 | Agiofws | now what do i do ? |
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| 01:46.44 | Agiofws | ixus:/etc/apt# modprobe fglrx |
| 01:46.44 | Agiofws | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.26.5/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 01:47.07 | yigal | ah I see I am getting /usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory when attempting to set en_US.UTF-8 to default |
| 01:47.58 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/26608 |
| 01:48.07 | Agiofws | simonrvn, which one do i select ? |
| 01:48.52 | Agiofws | ixus:/etc/apt# modprobe fglrx |
| 01:48.53 | Agiofws | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.26.5/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 01:48.57 | heroxbd | I have to deal with a lot of Encoded-word and base64 Transfer-Encoding and HTML embedded emails. I'd like to use a CUI MUA. I'm living inside emacs. What would you recommend? |
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| 01:49.27 | Akuw | i am trying to install an aplicaton with aptitude install gftp |
| 01:49.37 | yigal | ok? |
| 01:50.02 | Akuw | but if i really want to install it |
| 01:50.11 | Akuw | but i choose yes and this ask again |
| 01:50.19 | Akuw | if i write no it quits |
| 01:50.27 | Akuw | yes doesn`t wrok |
| 01:50.29 | Agiofws | can anyone help me ? |
| 01:50.30 | yigal | Akuw: as it should |
| 01:50.42 | Akuw | no, i type yes |
| 01:50.47 | yigal | Akuw: the exact same thing with "yes" |
| 01:50.47 | Akuw | but nothing |
| 01:50.51 | yigal | ? |
| 01:51.10 | Akuw | ¿Quiere ignorar este aviso y continuar de todos modos? |
| 01:51.11 | Akuw | Para continuar, introduzca "SÃÂ"; para abortar, introduzca "No": |
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| 01:51.20 | Akuw | i choose Si |
| 01:51.32 | yigal | and the reponse? |
| 01:51.48 | Akuw | this |
| 01:51.49 | Akuw | ¿Quiere ignorar este aviso y continuar de todos modos? |
| 01:51.49 | Akuw | Para continuar, introduzca "SÃÂ"; para abortar, introduzca "No": |
| 01:51.54 | Akuw | again and again |
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| 01:52.07 | yigal | Akuw and you use "Si", ? |
| 01:52.12 | Akuw | yeah |
| 01:52.14 | yigal | Akuw: I suggest a "aptitude update" |
| 01:52.18 | genius | hello world! Can you point me on good up-to-date article how to install some software from "testing" into "stable"? |
| 01:52.40 | abrotman | !tell genius about ssb |
| 01:52.43 | abrotman | !tell genius about bpo |
| 01:52.47 | abrotman | i'd check backports.org ifrst |
| 01:52.53 | Akuw | by error i delete /var/cache/apt/archives/partial |
| 01:53.05 | Akuw | how can i solve it ? |
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| 01:53.16 | edwin_quijada | hi |
| 01:53.29 | yigal | wish I knew, abrotman or simonrvn know though :) |
| 01:53.32 | edwin_quijada | how can i into in my debian using single mode |
| 01:53.49 | abrotman | Akuw: mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/ |
| 01:54.10 | genius | thanks gods! |
| 01:54.10 | genius | :) |
| 01:54.21 | beardy | !single |
| 01:54.21 | dpkg | i heard single is <single user mode> to boot for recovery/rescue. man init, or boot with "single" as a kernel option. Also, init=/bin/bash if init is very brain dead. (filesystems are usually readonly and shell has no job control. unmount and reboot with care) |
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| 01:55.15 | Akuw | good |
| 01:55.32 | Akuw | is there any good ftp client? |
| 01:55.42 | beardy | !ftp must die |
| 01:55.43 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 01:55.48 | yigal | sftp :) |
| 01:56.29 | edwin_quijada | init = /bin/bash is the end of line |
| 01:57.24 | yigal | that was horrific "dpkg-reconfigure locales" 3 times, and now the system is happy? |
| 01:57.36 | beardy | edwin_quijada: Why do you need to boot into single user mode? |
| 01:57.39 | yigal | owell, ghost in a machine? |
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| 01:58.37 | simonrvn | it's "init=/bin/bash" |
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| 01:58.47 | simonrvn | no spaces, no farts, and no foos |
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| 02:01.43 | edwin_quijada | beardy: i ahve a problem with my pass root |
| 02:02.00 | edwin_quijada | i have trouble with my pass |
| 02:02.41 | edwin_quijada | i edited the line kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda2 ro single |
| 02:03.02 | Agiofws | simonrvn, |
| 02:03.07 | edwin_quijada | when i boot from this i get an error |
| 02:03.25 | Agiofws | can you tell me if that one liner has anything to do with this |
| 02:03.27 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~/extracted/blender-2.46-linux-glibc236-py25-i386$./blender |
| 02:03.27 | Agiofws | ./blender: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:03.42 | Agiofws | cause it was working 10 mins ago |
| 02:03.47 | Akuw | how can i add samba users |
| 02:03.47 | Akuw | ? |
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| 02:04.10 | simonrvn | Agiofws: you didn't install the fglrx gl stuff... |
| 02:04.17 | genius | I want to install libapache2-mod-rpaf which exists everywhere exept stable. What's the best way - to use backports.org? |
| 02:04.24 | simonrvn | or it got messed up during install (i'm thinking #1) |
| 02:05.04 | Agiofws | what does libGL.so.1 got to do with fglrx ? |
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| 02:06.28 | edwin_quijada | how can i into single mode? |
| 02:06.29 | shamrock | how can I determine where realplyer is keeping its favrotes list so I can sync it between my machines? |
| 02:06.56 | simonrvn | Agiofws: it has its own libGL ... |
| 02:07.38 | Agiofws | i dont think blender depends on ATI to work |
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| 02:08.33 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/26609 |
| 02:09.01 | simonrvn | it does on ogl... ffs |
| 02:09.08 | simonrvn | !cluebat Agiofws |
| 02:09.08 | dpkg | beats Agiofws with the ClueBat of #debian. Roll 1d6... 4! The Debian BTS is at bugs.debian.org |
| 02:09.16 | yigal | Agiofws: I believe if you are using a binary ATI driver it uses its own ogl |
| 02:09.25 | yigal | . |
| 02:09.30 | Agiofws | what ever i do it wont install on 2.6.26 |
| 02:09.44 | yigal | ?, I am using it right now, you can do it |
| 02:09.53 | Agiofws | i dont know what to blame the driver debian or the kernel |
| 02:10.04 | simonrvn | blames Agiofws |
| 02:10.14 | yigal | not that it's a good thing for open source world to use a closed source driver, but you can get it to work |
| 02:10.15 | Agiofws | what kernel yigal ? |
| 02:10.25 | yigal | 2.6.26 i686 |
| 02:10.47 | Agiofws | ok can help ? cause this works on .23 |
| 02:10.48 | Agiofws | ? |
| 02:11.15 | yigal | I have heard you have to be very careful removing old droppings, from earlier installs |
| 02:11.41 | Agiofws | i run the uninstall script |
| 02:11.59 | yigal | but this was a new install, so I am rather inexperienced with ATI, all I can tell you is that it works, and that you will most likely want to remove the ogl libraries and allow ATI to reinstall their version |
| 02:12.20 | Agiofws | yigal, how did you install ? |
| 02:13.27 | Akuw | how can i install chinesse characters in openoffice? |
| 02:13.42 | Agiofws | can you help ? |
| 02:13.54 | yigal | just wait a bit my friend |
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| 02:14.37 | yigal | I used m-a with fglrx-source |
| 02:14.45 | yigal | couldn't remember was a little while ago |
| 02:14.54 | yigal | and compiled the driver |
| 02:15.02 | yigal | this way |
| 02:15.17 | Agiofws | aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xor |
| 02:15.18 | Agiofws | ? |
| 02:15.30 | yigal | basically, yes |
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| 02:15.44 | Oneword | How do I find out which process is for what and whether I can close it in debian? |
| 02:15.57 | Agiofws | ok yigal |
| 02:15.57 | yigal | pgrep, ps -A | grep ? |
| 02:16.01 | Agiofws | Setting up fglrx-driver (1:8-7-2) ... |
| 02:16.01 | Agiofws | Setting up fglrx-control (1:8-7-2) ... |
| 02:16.01 | Agiofws | Setting up fglrx-glx (1:8-7-2) ... |
| 02:16.04 | Agiofws | now ? |
| 02:16.19 | Agiofws | m-a ? |
| 02:16.22 | Agiofws | right ? |
| 02:16.27 | Agiofws | now i choose ? |
| 02:16.35 | Agiofws | fglrx-source ? |
| 02:16.38 | Agiofws | right ? |
| 02:17.01 | Agiofws | yigal, there are 2 there |
| 02:17.03 | yigal | I did, and it worked but 2.6.26 was the first kernel on this lappi |
| 02:17.08 | yigal | yes source |
| 02:17.14 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/26610 |
| 02:17.28 | Agiofws | can you take a look and tell me which of the 2 ? |
| 02:18.16 | edwin_quijada | somebody can help me with single mode in debia |
| 02:18.17 | edwin_quijada | ? |
| 02:18.26 | Agiofws | ? |
| 02:18.45 | Agiofws | ok i choose the first option |
| 02:18.56 | Agiofws | now i build right ? |
| 02:18.58 | Akuw | how can i install chinesse characters in openoffice? |
| 02:19.27 | yigal | I believe kernel, but don't remember, you will tell m-a to build whatever it is, I'm sorry I'm blanking as to which I chose |
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| 02:19.51 | abrotman | Akuw: apt-cache search office cn |
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| 02:19.56 | Agiofws | Akuw, install your fonts in ~/.fonts hopefully ooo will see them |
| 02:20.36 | yigal | Agiofws: try kernel, unless you know it isn't that |
| 02:20.47 | Agiofws | ok ow its asking me to install |
| 02:20.50 | Agiofws | so i say yes |
| 02:21.01 | yigal | ow? |
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| 02:21.15 | Agiofws | ok i exited |
| 02:21.17 | Agiofws | now ? |
| 02:21.26 | yigal | try #sudo module-assistant auto-install fglrx-kernel-src |
| 02:21.35 | genius | I want to install libapache2-mod-rpaf which exists everywhere exept stable. It is not listed on backports.org. What to do? |
| 02:21.48 | dondelelcaro | genius: backport it |
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| 02:22.02 | dondelelcaro | genius: you can start with the instructions in /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 02:22.24 | yigal | or more tersely #sudo m-a a-i fglrx-kernel-src |
| 02:22.30 | dondelelcaro | genius: if that doesn't work, then you'll have to do some more complex machinations to backport it, which someone here may be willing to help you with |
| 02:22.48 | wik | okay im clueless here... i can manually mount my nfs on my server just fine but i cant for the love of me use auto-mount in fstab....... 192.168.0.100:/media/movies /mnt/nfs nfs defaults 0 0 "server mount -a gives me failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
| 02:23.46 | wik | how can it claim permission denied whean a manual mount -t nfs etc works just fine? |
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| 02:24.37 | Agiofws | wik, maybe you need to comile someting in kernel to automount network shared ? |
| 02:24.39 | Akuw | how can install chinesse charaters fonts |
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| 02:24.48 | Agiofws | Akuw, install your fonts in ~/.fonts hopefully ooo will see them |
| 02:25.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems I have a pdf file that doesn't print from xpdf -but it does when converted with ps2pdf, then fed lpr directly... the pdf displays fine... |
| 02:25.29 | Akuw | but wher i get fonts? |
| 02:25.38 | Agiofws | yigal, dpkg -Ei /usr/src/fglrx-kernel-2.6.26.5_8-7-2_i386.deb |
| 02:25.38 | Agiofws | Version 1:8-7-2 of fglrx-kernel-2.6.26.5 already installed, skipping. |
| 02:25.45 | Agiofws | Akuw, windows box |
| 02:25.53 | Agiofws | ttf fonts |
| 02:25.55 | wik | Agiofws: but my nfs daemons are all up and running, and nfs works manually |
| 02:25.56 | Agiofws | ? |
| 02:26.15 | Agiofws | dunno i just saw an option for automount |
| 02:26.17 | abrotman | there are chinese fonts packges |
| 02:26.21 | Agiofws | yigal, ? |
| 02:26.24 | yigal | Agiofws: fglrx-kernel-src |
| 02:26.38 | wik | maybe i mounted it wrong in fstab |
| 02:26.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | so should I regard this as a problem of the pdf or of the printfilter? |
| 02:26.42 | wik | but i dont see how |
| 02:26.42 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# fgl |
| 02:26.42 | Agiofws | fgl_glxgears fglrxinfo fglrx_xgamma |
| 02:27.07 | Agiofws | now what ? |
| 02:27.10 | wik | im missing something here an i dont know what |
| 02:27.12 | Agiofws | modprobe it ? |
| 02:27.24 | Agiofws | do i reboot ? |
| 02:27.36 | yigal | Agiofws: did you install the kernel-src via m-a? |
| 02:27.50 | Agiofws | yes i think so atleast |
| 02:27.59 | yigal | Agiofws: and from what you told me xorg.conf was configured for fglrx ? |
| 02:28.08 | Agiofws | yes |
| 02:28.29 | Agiofws | restart X ? |
| 02:28.36 | yigal | Agiofws: quit X, #modprobe fglrx, and restart X, yes |
| 02:28.59 | genius | dondelelcaro: thatnks i've found someone created a backport |
| 02:29.15 | Malf | does the latest version of iceweasel not display the save/open dialog any more? |
| 02:29.26 | Malf | in uhh |
| 02:29.27 | Malf | testing |
| 02:29.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | prints fine is an exaggeration - it's shifted and gv only shows part of it also - the xpdf "print to file" actually produces a "better" postscript than the original, which does, indeed not print, though |
| 02:30.00 | Malf | (or anywhere else that runs version 3.x for that matter) |
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| 02:34.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | feels ignored |
| 02:34.36 | Malf | feels like iceweasel doesn't love him |
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| 02:34.58 | Malf | realizes that this is probably a good thing |
| 02:35.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | thinks it would be hard on someone if a weasel made of ice made love to him |
| 02:35.42 | k-man | what is the correct way to install a newever version of a latex package in debian? (newer than the one in the debian repository that is) |
| 02:36.31 | yigal | k-man: I too would find this information useful if there is really a "correct way". |
| 02:36.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's the correct way to kill a little kid? |
| 02:36.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-/ |
| 02:36.55 | k-man | yigal: the Debian Way(tm) |
| 02:37.18 | yigal | k-man: :) |
| 02:37.31 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: a bit morbid tonight ? |
| 02:37.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, let me rephrase, I don't think there is a "correct" way |
| 02:38.11 | k-man | ok |
| 02:38.25 | k-man | well, i'm just going to unzip the new files over the top of the old ones |
| 02:38.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you're aware, that the "current" latex packages are texlive, not tetex anymore, I guess |
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| 02:39.15 | Agiofws | yigal, ffs modprobe showed me NO MODULE FOUND |
| 02:39.16 | yigal | k-man: you could mv the old ones to ${package}.old or what ever |
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| 02:39.29 | wols_ | k-man: is the version you want in sid? |
| 02:39.43 | yigal | Agiofws: not sure what to tell you |
| 02:40.00 | wols_ | Agiofws: find the module file |
| 02:40.11 | Agiofws | YOU see i followed axactky whay you tiold me to |
| 02:40.12 | k-man | wols_: good question, i'll check |
| 02:40.39 | wols_ | Agiofws: dpkg -l |grep fgrlx |
| 02:40.44 | wols_ | Agiofws: dpkg -l |grep fglrx |
| 02:40.51 | Agiofws | dpkg -Ei /usr/src/fglrx-kernel-2.6.26.5_8-7-2_i386.deb |
| 02:40.51 | Agiofws | Version 1:8-7-2 of fglrx-kernel-2.6.26.5 already installed, skipping. |
| 02:40.51 | dpkg | Agiofws: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 02:41.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | with "package" you mean a .sty stylefile, I guess |
| 02:41.32 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/vdfsE144.html wols_ |
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| 02:42.24 | k-man | wols_: the files i'm after are flowfram in the packagae texlive-extra - how do i tell which version is in sid? |
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| 02:42.39 | wols_ | !tell k-man about search |
| 02:43.10 | yigal | Agiofws: yes, looks ok |
| 02:43.59 | Agiofws | wols_, can you help me install fglrx ... cause for some reason the binaries from ati will ot install on my new vanilla kernel as they did on 2.6.23 it semms both packages and binareis have the smae problem |
| 02:44.08 | Agiofws | yigal, you sure i just modprobe ? |
| 02:44.22 | Agiofws | ixus:/usr/share/ati# modprobe fglrx |
| 02:44.22 | Agiofws | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.26.5/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 02:44.25 | Agiofws | there ffs |
| 02:44.45 | yigal | Agiofws: just restart, tell us what happens |
| 02:44.46 | meeero | i've got an application, say mydaemon which differs in one parameter which can be seen using ps -elf, e.g. mydaemon --parameter=1, the second instance is mydaemon --parameter=2 .....any ideas how i can determine the PID of the second one? i'd need that for a bash-script |
| 02:44.52 | Agiofws | ok |
| 02:44.57 | wols_ | puts channel paste spammers on ignore |
| 02:45.00 | Agiofws | reboot ? |
| 02:45.06 | yigal | Agiofws: yes |
| 02:45.24 | yigal | well that was easy getting rid of him :) |
| 02:45.44 | meeero | or any suggestions what i could do? :/ |
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| 02:46.19 | meeero | i thought about: ps -elf | grep parameter=2 ..that would return the line, but that doesn't return the PID, it returns all infos from ps -elf |
| 02:46.54 | squisher | meeero, man cut |
| 02:47.06 | yigal | meeero: grep + awk |
| 02:47.31 | yigal | nothing against cut, but I've found awk a bit more useful for this :) |
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| 02:47.59 | squisher | yigal, cut's great for easy jobs :) |
| 02:48.15 | meeero | eh, that's too advanced for me :P |
| 02:48.33 | squisher | meeero, practice makes the master |
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| 02:49.22 | yigal | squisher: can't disagree, but "cut -d " " -fx" vs. "awk '{print $x}' it's a toss up in my book |
| 02:49.41 | squisher | yigal, ok, fair enough |
| 02:50.38 | squisher | what's the meta package again for the x server? |
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| 02:51.14 | wols_ | xorg |
| 02:51.36 | Agiofws | wols_, agiofws@ixus:~$paste < ati2.txt |
| 02:51.38 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/Idumhc36.html |
| 02:51.40 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.48 | Agiofws | or yigal ... |
| 02:51.53 | squisher | thanks wols_ |
| 02:51.58 | Agiofws | i am up with the vesa driver |
| 02:52.00 | squisher | I don't need to install debian often enough to remember :-P |
| 02:52.05 | k-man | yigal: now sure how relevant it is, but there is some info here on installing additional latex packages under debian http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/TeX-on-Debian/ch4.html |
| 02:52.41 | Agiofws | ? |
| 02:52.43 | yigal | user specific sounds about right, nice to know |
| 02:52.55 | wols_ | Agiofws: stop spamming the channel constantly |
| 02:53.00 | yigal | k-man: sorry above directed at you |
| 02:53.06 | Agiofws | http://rafb.net/p/Idumhc36.html |
| 02:53.20 | wols_ | Agiofws: it doesn't help if you spam even MORE |
| 02:53.23 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.37 | Agiofws | i know i am not spamming |
| 02:53.43 | Agiofws | i have serious problem |
| 02:54.19 | Agiofws | yigal, all the solutions are out ? |
| 02:54.23 | yigal | yes, but it's the way you go about it, we are volunteering, and many of us are all suffering from "serious" problems, you can always use the free driver |
| 02:54.42 | yigal | Agiofws: I wish I knew more |
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| 02:54.51 | Agiofws | yigal, need 3d acc ... for blender |
| 02:54.53 | wols_ | you were spamming before you rebooted and you are spamming now. last time you had problems you were told to ONLY paste the url. you still don't. you can spam, no problem, but don't exepct anyone to help you then. good bye |
| 02:55.09 | squisher | hates mirrors which are out of sync... |
| 02:55.21 | Agiofws | its spamming |
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| 02:56.00 | wols_ | squisher: using a ftp.CC.debian.org mirror? |
| 02:56.18 | squisher | wols_, no, ucsc |
| 02:56.42 | wols_ | squisher: then use a CC mirror |
| 02:56.53 | squisher | tries it to see what speed he gets |
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| 02:57.19 | Agiofws | 1) why the f does the ati driver install on 2.6.23 and not on 2.6.2.6 ? why does yigal have catalyst 8,8 working with 2.6.26 when i followed his instructions ... ? what can be to blame the kernel debian or the ati driver ? |
| 02:57.53 | squisher | Agiofws, if in doubt, blame the closed source driver, obviously |
| 02:58.20 | Agiofws | squisher, IT INTALLS ON 2.6.23 |
| 02:58.27 | Agiofws | it loads ... |
| 02:58.52 | Agiofws | when i go through debians way i go do it via m-a .. |
| 02:58.58 | Agiofws | but whnei modprobe .. |
| 02:59.03 | Agiofws | nothing is there |
| 02:59.03 | squisher | Agiofws, you asked a question, you got an answer. Don't get angry just because you don't like it |
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| 02:59.16 | Agiofws | i'm no angry |
| 02:59.20 | Agiofws | not* |
| 02:59.24 | rektide | Agiofws: you may likely have better luck in #ati... the unix channel for ATI. I dont see how this is a debian question. |
| 02:59.28 | Agiofws | i'm junt on this for 6h |
| 02:59.52 | squisher | Agiofws, take a break, and try it again later. That often helps |
| 03:00.25 | Agiofws | because debians had trouble with catalyst 8.8 with 2.6.26 kernels |
| 03:00.35 | Agiofws | there is a bug somehwre |
| 03:01.17 | rektide | i'm afraid you're going to have to be more descriptive than that if you wish us to assist you in fixing this debian specific issue |
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| 03:03.44 | squisher | Agiofws, if you really think it's a bug in the debian kernel, then simply install a vanilla one |
| 03:04.00 | sri_j | hi to all,i have installed ltsp5 server...but client booting showing error as /sbin/init not found |
| 03:04.21 | k-man | yigal: any idea how to refresh TeX's database? |
| 03:04.43 | Agiofws | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=476844 |
| 03:05.00 | Agiofws | squisher, i always do vanilla kernels |
| 03:05.00 | micols | anyone using slrn? |
| 03:05.02 | squisher | k-man, update-texmf? |
| 03:05.10 | yigal | k-man: texhash? |
| 03:05.25 | squisher | Agiofws, then it can't be a bug in the debian kernel, now can it be... |
| 03:05.53 | Agiofws | how can it was not refering to debians kerbel |
| 03:08.51 | Agiofws | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=175694&sid=3a58d96e64c57917a41aba37b7f62388 |
| 03:08.57 | Agiofws | here is the same problem |
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| 03:12.41 | squisher | I just added a repository to apt, updated it, but I can't see the new packages in the cache with apt-cache ... what could be wrong? |
| 03:13.45 | dondelelcaro | squisher: you ran apt-get update; right? what does apt-cache policy; say? |
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| 03:14.31 | squisher | dondelelcaro, yes, that's what I meant with update :-) This is a fresh install, haven't created any policies yet |
| 03:15.46 | squisher | if I browse the "Packages" file in the repo, I see the version that I want |
| 03:16.04 | squisher | apt-get update didn't complain about anything either |
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| 03:20.06 | Agiofws | http://phorogit.com/index.php?p=fglrx-packaging.git&dl=plain&h=a94205d6bb86dbf154c3e519b6da869c529cafe4 |
| 03:20.18 | Agiofws | you see its a bug |
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| 03:22.30 | dondelelcaro | squisher: uh... is it another version of the same package which you've already got installed? |
| 03:22.36 | dondelelcaro | squisher: if so, apt-cache policy foopkg; |
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| 03:23.45 | elGuille_wugro | hi everyone. |
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| 03:26.17 | lymeca | Will lenny ship with Sun's proprietary Java in non-free? |
| 03:26.26 | lymeca | Or will it only have OpenJDK 6 in main? |
| 03:27.06 | craigevil | Suns Java is in non-free atm |
| 03:27.31 | lymeca | craigevil: Which version would this be? |
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| 03:28.53 | craigevil | Installed: 6-07-4 is the version i have in sid with lenny frozen it should be close if not the same in testing |
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| 03:29.37 | andre_pl | I've upgraded python on my etch box to 2.5, but mod_python is still running 2.4, how can I get it to use 2.5? |
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| 03:31.07 | craigevil | lymeca: yep same version in lenny> http://packages.debian.org/lenny/sun-java6-jre |
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| 03:32.47 | squisher | dondelelcaro, apt-cache policy only shows my the lenny repository, not the other one. Weird. |
| 03:33.18 | squisher | dondelelcaro, if I just run apt-cache policy, it does show up though |
| 03:33.25 | craigevil | what repo did you add |
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| 03:34.58 | squisher | dondelelcaro, ah! So simple solution... they're not in the repo for my arch... :-\ |
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| 03:46.45 | nirupama | can i use a dot matrix printer in debian |
| 03:47.25 | ahboi | is there a desktop monitor tool for debian my children mess around on the computers. I would like to be able to see what they see from my laptop.. is this possible? I already warned them i will be monitoring the computers so im pretty much good to go. |
| 03:48.47 | ahboi | something like rdesktop but if i choose to control the computer i can? |
| 03:49.12 | nmh_2Grajw | ahboi: vnc? |
| 03:49.32 | ahboi | thank you i will take a look at that. |
| 03:49.36 | craigevil | ahboi: not sure about that other than vnc, but if they use iceweasel the glubble extension is great especially if they are younger kids |
| 03:50.22 | ahboi | theyre about 15 taking to much much older men.. dont want to go into it that much. The situation is just bad.. |
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| 03:52.12 | Malf | ahboi: I use x11vnc to remote in from work on occasion and one day happened to stumble upon the wife using the computer. So it would fit the bill if you're looking to manually check in now and again |
| 03:52.14 | ahboi | thank you again vnc is perfect. |
| 03:52.29 | dondelelcaro | ahboi: then your best bet is to talk to them instead |
| 03:54.07 | rektide | before you have to learn morse code |
| 03:57.15 | rektide | how can i map a input and output pipe over my shell? keyboard fed to one pipe, other pipe fed to screen? |
| 03:57.58 | squisher | rektide, "myprog < input > output" ? |
| 03:58.08 | rektide | what program? |
| 03:58.35 | rektide | i'm not trying to perform this on some program |
| 03:58.40 | squisher | then? |
| 03:59.34 | rektide | theres some other program running; outputting to a pipe and reading from a pipe |
| 03:59.38 | rektide | i need some way to interact with it |
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| 04:00.23 | squisher | rektide, use tail, cat, echo etc on the pipe |
| 04:01.14 | rektide | tail/cat works ok. i'd like to find something better than echoing into the pipe though |
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| 04:04.00 | basix | hello :) if anybody wants help installing intel 5100 / 5300 wifi drivers please do ask :) |
| 04:05.02 | basix | has anybody been successful in getting Mac OS X leopard working on VirtualBox / QEMU ? |
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| 04:07.51 | tehboriz | im can't find out how the hell to download debian... it's got too many cd's |
| 04:08.03 | tehboriz | i need a server x86 release.. |
| 04:08.24 | zinx | tehboriz: get the netinstall cd |
| 04:08.29 | tehboriz | explain |
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| 04:08.31 | JyZyXEL | you could just get the first CD or the netinstall one |
| 04:08.33 | zinx | tehboriz: get the netinstall cd |
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| 04:08.43 | tehboriz | does not compute |
| 04:08.45 | tehboriz | link |
| 04:08.45 | zinx | tehboriz: debian.org |
| 04:08.54 | tehboriz | lazy bum |
| 04:09.06 | craigevil | !netinstall |
| 04:09.06 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 04:09.43 | tehboriz | u don't want this |
| 04:09.48 | tehboriz | my connection is slow on the server |
| 04:10.22 | zinx | what kind of server is that :/ |
| 04:10.29 | tehboriz | lol |
| 04:10.30 | tehboriz | personal |
| 04:10.39 | tehboriz | i got xp and broken apache php |
| 04:10.42 | tehboriz | which i don't want |
| 04:10.57 | tehboriz | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-i386-CD-1.iso does this work |
| 04:11.04 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 04:11.05 | tehboriz | im not gonna start wasting ur b/w |
| 04:11.22 | JyZyXEL | you don't need to get all the CD's |
| 04:11.26 | tehboriz | good |
| 04:11.27 | JyZyXEL | you can just get the first one |
| 04:11.28 | tehboriz | i dont want to |
| 04:11.34 | tehboriz | you should label that! :P |
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| 04:32.06 | sdps | Hrm, since I was an idiot and didn't check bts for bugs before I upgraded, I found out the hard way there's a bug with the vesa driver in xorg. However, it occurs to me I'm running a radeon mobility card, which is supported by the radeon driver. But my system is trying to run a vesa driver. and I can't find out how to change to the radeon driver in xorg. any ideas? |
| 04:32.18 | sdps | Oh, in unstable. |
| 04:32.53 | sdps | dpkg-reconfigure does not work, and I see no entry for xserver in xorg.conf. |
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| 04:33.22 | screamingbytes | evenin all |
| 04:33.25 | sdps | this is my only computer, so it's a bit difficult to do a really effective search since I have no X. |
| 04:33.46 | sdps | Heyas screaming. /nod |
| 04:34.29 | screamingbytes | sry sdps: search for what? |
| 04:34.32 | simonrvn | !drxx sdps |
| 04:34.32 | dpkg | sdps: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 04:35.14 | sdps | simonrvn: did that already.. does not allow me to select the xserver driver. |
| 04:35.40 | simonrvn | um, it should. if not do dpkg-reconfigure -plow |
| 04:35.51 | screamingbytes | hehe |
| 04:36.33 | sdps | screamingbytes: just hosed my X because I didn't check BTS before upgrading and there's a bug for the vesa driver in xorg. |
| 04:36.46 | dmoerner | sdps: just add Driver "radeon" to the video device section |
| 04:39.18 | sdps | simonrvn: Nope, keyboard configuration and then drops out to prompt. |
| 04:39.44 | simonrvn | s/vesa/radeon/ ;) |
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| 04:42.27 | sdps | dmoerner: that's what's odd, there's no sections in the xorg.conf except "Section "Device" <crlf> Identifier "Configured Video Device" <crlf> Endsection" Very odd, but I've not really mucked about with xserver configurations since xfree86 days. |
| 04:42.56 | sdps | taht is to say, the video device section is there, but there's not much therein. |
| 04:43.37 | dmoerner | sdps: xorg uses autodetection now. just add the driver line in that section |
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| 04:44.18 | sdps | dmoerner: literally: Driver "radeon" ? |
| 04:45.22 | sdps | nm, I'll try it and see what happens.. brb. |
| 04:45.32 | amphi | sdps: that should do, in Section "Device" |
| 04:47.29 | sdps | simonrvn: dmoerner: amphi: screamingbytes: Thanks for the help. I want to start from pts 1, so have to leave. Be back in a sec to let you know of success or otherwise. Peace. |
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| 04:50.56 | dudeman | man |
| 04:51.02 | dudeman | i like eclipse but its too bloated |
| 04:51.03 | noboru | can anyone tell me how do i use tcpdump to grab tcp package on port 80 ? |
| 04:52.28 | squisher | noboru, setup a filter (check --help for the switch) with "port=80" |
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| 05:02.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 05:03.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what was that supposed to do |
| 05:04.22 | noboru | hi squisher ,are you still there ? |
| 05:04.32 | joneal | hi |
| 05:04.47 | noboru | squisher, i mean, after i run tcpdump ....., how do i quiet it ? |
| 05:05.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | quiet? |
| 05:05.06 | squisher | noboru, personally I just let tcpdump write to a file, and then look at it in wireshark |
| 05:05.33 | noboru | hi squisher ,yes and that is what i want it to be. but i dont understand how to i quiet it |
| 05:06.28 | squisher | I thought that if you write the packets to a file, it wouldn't send them to stdout anymore... but if it does, you can always redirect to /dev/null |
| 05:06.44 | noboru | squisher, for example, i run tcpdump -w test.pcap -i eth1 tcp port 6881 , it doesnt go back to the command line |
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| 05:07.37 | squisher | noboru, it shouldn't because it's still running? |
| 05:07.44 | yigal | later dude |
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| 05:08.44 | squisher | noboru, you can always send it to the background if you want |
| 05:08.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | so possibly ctrl-c is your friend? |
| 05:08.51 | noboru | squisher, hmm,so wheni think its enough how do i quiet it ? ctrl+c ? |
| 05:09.02 | adama__ | kill `pidof tcpdump` |
| 05:09.24 | adama__ | that's if you did tcpdump ... & |
| 05:09.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | so how is that shorter than killall? |
| 05:09.41 | squisher | noboru, if with "quiet" you mean "quit", then yeah, ctrl-c |
| 05:09.51 | adama__ | it's not, killall is fine too |
| 05:10.07 | noboru | squisher, thank you |
| 05:10.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | has a slight `-aversion |
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| 05:11.44 | sdps | Hrm, got farther than before, but am even more in the dark. Now it looks like the radeon driver is trying to start, but it craps out with no indication as to the failure save some mention of a font being referenced twice. Because I saw mention of framebuffer in the xorg log, I also tried -reconfigurein with framebuffer in use.. to no avail. Feh. Anyone with any better ideas? If no, I'll try and downgrade to an earlier version of |
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| 05:12.27 | sdps | s/better/other |
| 05:12.54 | noboru | squisher, i am currently contacing data-centre to do stuff,would you be here for a moment cuz i will ask more about tcpdump okay ? |
| 05:13.28 | samantha-b- | so i'm using ssh to go from a debian system to a debian system, and when i run midnight commander, the graphics are all broken and the boxes don't display correctly. what do i need to do so i get a comprehensible mc display in an ssh session? |
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| 05:15.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | framebuffer didn't do anything for me ever (yet) |
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| 05:16.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | sdps, no EE's in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 05:16.54 | sdps | Cut: EEs? |
| 05:17.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | sdps, use Tab to autocomplete my nick |
| 05:17.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | sdps, WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. |
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| 05:17.58 | sdps | CutMeOwnThroat: one sec.. will double check.. |
| 05:17.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | except keymap loading errors, I got thosd ... hmpf shouldn't look in logfiles while everything runs okish |
| 05:19.13 | sdps | CutMeOwnThroat: Not a one except two EEs for SCREEN and for the explaination of the EE vs WW etc. |
| 05:19.22 | sdps | explanation even |
| 05:19.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you obviously haven't talked to dpkg enough yet :) |
| 05:19.29 | boss | live cd considers the swap space |
| 05:19.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | what "for Screen"? |
| 05:20.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | samantha-b-, try setting something else for TERM |
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| 05:20.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | samantha-b-, also - did you resize the window? |
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| 05:21.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | samantha-b-, "xterm" and "linux" are pretty common for TERM - "dumb" kind of always works - but it's primitive and will give you a horrible experience with a curses program like mc |
| 05:22.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | sdps, you don't mean "no screens found"? |
| 05:22.25 | sdps | CutMeOwnThroat: pls explain - talked to dpkg.. as in the bot here or dpkg on my system? And about which topic should I converse? Screen: Default |
| 05:22.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought like /msg dpkg radeon |
| 05:22.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !radeon |
| 05:22.50 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphics processing units by ATI. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon, http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeon. For chipsets prior to R500 (ie. models up to and including the X1050), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (all models, usually better 3D performance/features). #radeon @ freenode. See also <radeonhd>. |
| 05:23.28 | adama__ | I'm getting a very strange error trying to enable nvidia driver: http://pastebin.ca/1205070 - the nv driver works. |
| 05:23.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't by chance have a model later than X1050 (whatever that is) |
| 05:24.01 | adama__ | "The NVIDIA kernel module does not appear to be receiving interrupts generated by the NVIDIA graphics device" |
| 05:24.26 | adama__ | It then refers to a README, I don't know where that is.. |
| 05:25.28 | sdps | Feh, I have got to be functioning this evening, so I'll have to downgrade. Thanks all.. be back later when I decide to tackle this problem again. Feh. Peace. |
| 05:25.36 | n-iCe | bbl |
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| 05:26.06 | adama__ | !feh |
| 05:26.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, feh is the poor man's bah, or an excellent imlib2-based image viewer |
| 05:26.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | adama__, like, http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118419&highlight=interrupt |
| 05:27.28 | adama__ | !apic |
| 05:27.28 | dpkg | i heard apic is an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
| 05:27.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | try /msg dpkg apic instead |
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| 05:28.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | or /msg dpkg message the bot |
| 05:28.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 05:28.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf is bah |
| 05:28.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah |
| 05:28.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | stupid dpkg |
| 05:28.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... sometimes |
| 05:29.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | or stupid me |
| 05:29.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | one of the two, anyways |
| 05:30.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | adama__, /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.txt.gz |
| 05:30.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | strange enough, though, common problems is section 5 for me... |
| 05:31.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems there were heavy additions to the docu since the version of my nvidia-glx |
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| 05:32.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, silenced them all :) |
| 05:34.29 | adama__ | how do I check my IRQ list? |
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| 05:34.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | /proc/irq perhaps? |
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| 05:36.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | lsdev also shows... well, something |
| 05:36.46 | adama__ | I see a lot of smp_affinity and spurious but nothing about video cards... |
| 05:36.47 | rchi | and /proc/ioports |
| 05:37.02 | rchi | vga+ should be in there |
| 05:37.10 | adama__ | 03c0-03df : vga+ |
| 05:37.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | same here |
| 05:37.56 | adama__ | I don't see anything overlapping that range |
| 05:38.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | acpi != irq conflict |
| 05:38.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | try noacpi |
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| 05:38.51 | mydrmeix | is gone, autoaway/10m (l!on) |
| 05:39.00 | adama__ | won't that disable my battery status and all that? |
| 05:39.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, this is one of those life decisions... |
| 05:39.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you need more, a graphical interface, or a battery status |
| 05:39.59 | adama__ | I rather think I _could_ have both, seeing as I did earlier... |
| 05:40.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | youth of today... always wants everything |
| 05:40.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways - you can try to get it back after you know what went wrong... |
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| 05:41.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | or you can just complain in here a bit more until you get tired of it, while I go to bed (which I'll do anyways) |
| 05:42.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, my damn battery status is gone since I updated to 2.6.26 - so my sympathy is limited |
| 05:42.50 | rchi | noacpi is worth a try once none the less for trial and error |
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| 05:44.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | har har - and I missed the chance to say "never change a running system" :-P |
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| 05:49.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well... toodel pip y'all |
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| 05:52.35 | adama__ | thing crashed when I went to to "apt-get autoremove" |
| 05:52.59 | adama__ | it wants to remove gedit, gdm, the works, like 200 things |
| 05:53.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !unmarkauto |
| 05:53.52 | dpkg | Is aptitude trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>. |
| 05:54.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, I'm already gone, ain't I? |
| 05:54.38 | adama__ | ya liar |
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| 05:55.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also a way to unmark all packages - possibly just \* |
| 05:55.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | if not \* I forgot how |
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| 05:56.51 | adama__ | yeah this thing is fscked.. http://pastebin.ca/1205089 |
| 05:57.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I'm gorn - toodeloo etc. |
| 05:58.27 | adama__ | ciao |
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| 06:01.40 | Nazcafan_ | hello |
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| 06:02.00 | Nazcafan_ | !bug-buddy |
| 06:02.49 | Nazcafan_ | hello, I tried to update bug-buddy and it is trying to install half of the universe (this includes evolution and epiphany browser) |
| 06:03.11 | Nazcafan_ | I already have a browser and email client and don't wish to get those |
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| 06:06.06 | adama__ | Nazcafan_: same here, don't know |
| 06:06.27 | Nazcafan_ | adama__: I think this is linked to this bug : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=438339 |
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| 06:07.40 | adama__ | could be, looks like someone didn't update the depends list on the package properly |
| 06:08.53 | Nazcafan_ | I have to go |
| 06:08.55 | Nazcafan_ | have a nice day |
| 06:08.58 | adama__ | rock out! |
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| 06:20.06 | noborusa | i forgot who was helping me with tcpdump |
| 06:20.27 | noborusa | i mean to ask, can i specify a source IP in tcpdump to look for ? |
| 06:20.46 | noborusa | for example,i would like to look for ip 1.2.3.4 and my server ip is 2.2.2.2 |
| 06:21.19 | adama__ | I think tcpdump -s 1.2.3.4 might work |
| 06:21.31 | linostar | noborusa: use 'src host <host_ip>' |
| 06:21.31 | adama__ | I don't have the man page here but it will tell you that |
| 06:21.51 | adama__ | there you go |
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| 06:22.47 | noborusa | linostar, tcpdump -w test.pcap -i eth0 src 1.2.3.4 host 2.2.2.2 tcp port 80 ? |
| 06:24.00 | linostar | tcpdump -w test.pcap -i eth0 src host 1.2.3.4 dst host 2.2.2.2 tcp port 80 |
| 06:24.19 | linostar | I believe that will work |
| 06:25.51 | noborusa | linostar, thank you very much |
| 06:27.06 | noborusa | linostar, in this way,do i need to specify the port of the src user ? |
| 06:27.41 | Pablo | hey i have a question how can you make an image size 760 x 151 |
| 06:27.42 | Pablo | ? |
| 06:27.51 | Pablo | for example if i have a big image how do you make it smaller? |
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| 06:30.07 | noborusa | linostar, and the server is 2.2.2.2 with port 80 open,right ? |
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| 06:31.00 | linostar | noborusa: yes, and you don't need to specify the src port |
| 06:31.08 | noborusa | linostar, thank you! |
| 06:31.17 | linostar | noborusa: you're welcome |
| 06:31.44 | adama__ | Pablo: you could use "convert" command utility provided by imagemagick, or the gimp can do that. There are lots of others too I'm sure |
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| 06:32.09 | noborusa | linostar, tcpdump: syntax error |
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| 06:32.25 | Pablo | adama__, how do you convert ? |
| 06:33.38 | noborusa | hmm |
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| 06:36.15 | adama | convert -size 400x400 /my/file.jpg -resize 400x400 /destination/file.jpg |
| 06:36.44 | adama | to make a file shrink/grow to be MAX 400px in either dimension |
| 06:36.49 | adama | for example |
| 06:37.49 | adama | there is a lot of stuff convert will do... see "man convert" |
| 06:39.18 | linostar | noborusa: tcpdump -w test.pcap -i eth0 src host 1.2.3.4 and dst host 2.2.2.2 and tcp port 80 |
| 06:39.32 | linostar | we forgot the 'and' |
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| 06:40.07 | friendlysys | hi, how dangerous is it to just move/copy your /var/lib/mysql/[database] without shutting down your mysql service? |
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| 06:41.01 | boss | live cd considers the swap space |
| 06:41.10 | Somni | friendlysys: you can easily break your database |
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| 06:41.37 | Somni | either the one running (if you move it), or the next database to use the data files (if you copy it) |
| 06:41.44 | Somni | use mysqldump if you want to make a backup |
| 06:41.53 | adama | friendlysys: yes, very dangerous |
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| 06:44.51 | friendlysys | break my which database, all my databases? |
| 06:45.09 | friendlysys | or just that particular one? |
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| 06:45.57 | Somni | does it matter? |
| 06:46.04 | friendlysys | yes |
| 06:46.11 | friendlysys | because the one im trying to replace is already broken |
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| 06:46.21 | friendlysys | so im trying to get it off a copy on my other rsync'd server |
| 06:46.27 | Somni | so don't break it any less |
| 06:46.33 | Somni | or more, rather |
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| 06:47.06 | friendlysys | well so im tring to put in a one that works |
| 06:47.13 | friendlysys | so im asking |
| 06:48.02 | Somni | and were answered |
| 06:48.20 | friendlysys | huh? |
| 06:48.38 | friendlysys | well its just a raw /var/lib/mysql/[database] i have |
| 06:48.54 | friendlysys | i dont think i can mysqldump that particular folder can i? |
| 06:49.10 | Somni | you aren't making a backup, so the mysqldump advice doesn't apply |
| 06:49.17 | Somni | the rest of the advice remains |
| 06:49.42 | friendlysys | not sure what you are telling me |
| 06:49.46 | noborusa | hi linostar ,with that command, tcpdump will only catch tcp communication from 1.2.3.4 to 2.2.2.2 at port 80 and will ignore other ? |
| 06:50.35 | linostar | noborusa: yes |
| 06:51.11 | Somni | friendlysys: I'm not sure how it can be made any more clear; don't mess with the raw data files while the server is running |
| 06:51.21 | noborusa | linostar, thanks a lot |
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| 06:53.06 | friendlysys | ok heres my situation, i have a copy of my entire /var/lib/mysql from couple days ago. i was doing some stuff on my database earlier i deleted a row and i need to recover it. only backup i have is that /var/lib/mysql/[database] , am i safe to just replace that folder in my /var/lib/mysql/[database] ? will doing this have any catastrophic event like breaking all the other databases in it? |
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| 07:04.47 | mhall | I am in a pinch and I need a good Visio substitute diagram tool than can write a GIF PNG JPEG etc. I don't need fancy shapes but oodraw isn't cutting it. What can I try? |
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| 07:05.23 | tarzeau | mhall: what about graphviz? |
| 07:05.46 | mhall | hmm |
| 07:06.26 | Somni | mhall: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux/browse_thread/thread/84435626a9e69ff0/0bc907f278d5c412 |
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| 07:07.20 | Somni | second result from googling for 'Linux visio' |
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| 07:08.49 | rvsjoen | or dia |
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| 07:10.05 | astraljava | +1 for dia, performs well and exports to a wide variety of formats |
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| 07:14.15 | mhall | evermind; appears i'm entirely moronic; the shape toolbar is on the botton |
| 07:14.16 | noborusa | linostar, hmmm,from what we did ,the outcome only show the connecting status ? |
| 07:14.22 | mhall | nevermind*; appears i'm entirely moronic; the shape toolbar is on the botton |
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| 07:15.01 | noborusa | linostar, i use ' tcpdump -nnr test.pcap', in the file,it only shows connecting status,is this normal ? |
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| 07:16.43 | rvsjoen | what do you mean by connecting status |
| 07:17.46 | noborusa | hi rvsjoen ,its like this |
| 07:18.02 | noborusa | ack 981121 win 65535 <nop,nop,sack 1 {2964446150:2964449070}> |
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| 07:18.09 | noborusa | ack 1000101 win 65535 |
| 07:18.13 | noborusa | and buch of those |
| 07:18.47 | rvsjoen | those are ack's to previously recieved packets, there has to be more than that |
| 07:19.03 | noborusa | more than that ? but i dont see them |
| 07:19.09 | rvsjoen | what are you trying to do ? |
| 07:19.35 | noborusa | rvsjoen, the server's hardware has been suffering a problem |
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| 07:20.21 | noborusa | rvsjoen, this problem is ,when the protection is on, many visitors from a special zone to the server cannot get files downlaoded succesfully but just hangs |
| 07:20.48 | noborusa | rvsjoen, that is why i picke one up from the zone to try to get to know what is happening |
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| 07:21.03 | rvsjoen | ok, did you figure out your filter ? |
| 07:21.06 | noborusa | rvsjoen, or,would you point me that what port i was missing when i was running tcpdump ? |
| 07:21.35 | linostar | noborusa: it should display more info, try to add '-v' or '-vv' or even '-vvv' to the command |
| 07:22.24 | noborusa | rvsjoen, i was using tcpdump -w test.pcap -i eth0 src host 1.2.3.4 and dst host 2.2.2.2 and tcp port 8 ( the 1.2.3.4 is the victim and the 2.2.2.2 is the server IP, via port 80 to do generic http downloading test) |
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| 07:24.56 | rvsjoen | ok |
| 07:24.59 | noborusa | linostar, may i ask, are you sure i should add -v ? |
| 07:25.50 | rvsjoen | is it alot of output or could you pastebin it ? |
| 07:25.50 | Nazcafan | I seemed to be wrong, gnome-desktop-data does not seem to depend on evolution |
| 07:25.50 | noborusa | i mean,with which one i should get more single details |
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| 07:26.09 | Nazcafan | I don't how updgrading bug-buddy implies having to install evolution and epiphany |
| 07:26.15 | noborusa | rvsjoen, due to security,i have to replace the real IP before i post to pastbin okay ? |
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| 07:26.30 | rvsjoen | sure |
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| 07:28.48 | linostar | noborusa: well, no harm in adding it after all, it gives you more verbose output |
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| 07:32.41 | jescis | Do I add paths to .bash_profile? and if so would it go after "${PATH}" or somewhere else? |
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| 07:33.45 | wols_ | jescis: user path is commented out in that file |
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| 07:33.55 | wols_ | you can add it before or after $PATH |
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| 07:35.27 | rvsjoen | I usually do it in bashrc though because (I think) bash_profile is only read when logging in to a shell while bashrc also is read when starting up a new terminal. (someont correct me if im wrong) |
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| 07:45.04 | xoz | !bashrc |
| 07:45.04 | dpkg | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. |
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| 08:11.49 | vlt | Hello. I tried the command `aptitude changelog openssh-server` but got "E: Couldn't fetch URL http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/o/openssh/openssh_4.3p2-9etch3/changelog". What could be the problem here? |
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| 08:16.30 | Somni | vlt: the changelog appears to be missing |
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| 08:21.20 | n0mad | hi *.tar.bz2 unpacked, and how to install clearly (some tips info thanks) |
| 08:21.22 | n0mad | ? |
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| 08:37.00 | Blast_Hardcheese | Why does xfce4-terminal need xfce4-terminal.wrapper? |
| 08:37.12 | Blast_Hardcheese | It seems like all the wrapper does is make it so I can't pass args to the terminal |
| 08:37.20 | Blast_Hardcheese | if that's the goal, why is that useful? |
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| 08:39.20 | simonrvn | ask the DD involved |
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| 08:40.55 | willluongo | Hello, I am running Etch on two different computers with completely different hardware (one is a laptop, the other a desktop) and they both have the same problem (and the same user... probably not a coincedence :D ). The sound seems to randomly work (or not) on boot up. Even when the sounds don't play, aplay still works, just no sound comes out. |
| 08:40.57 | LeoDing | hello,All.I have a question:which command could reduce logic volume size in-line ? |
| 08:41.10 | willluongo | Does anyone have any ideas? |
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| 08:41.43 | LeoDing | hello,All.I have a question:which command could reduce logic volume size on-line ? |
| 08:41.53 | Blast_Hardcheese | Does anyone know how to get the geometry of a detached screen session? |
| 08:41.55 | Somni | willluongo: how is it you consider aplay works when it doesn't actually play sound? |
| 08:42.16 | stew | LeoDing: lvresize, but you mist first resize the filesystem it contains if it contains a filesystem |
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| 08:42.26 | stew | LeoDing: (assuming you are talkng about LVM) |
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| 08:42.33 | willluongo | Somni: It successfully completes, where as other times sound breaks, it gives various error messages |
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| 08:42.41 | stew | Blast_Hardcheese: does a detached screen session have a geometry? |
| 08:42.46 | farhad_hf | how can i get the download links of this command : apt-get dist-upgrade -t experimental |
| 08:42.54 | willluongo | Somni: I suppose you could say it fails silently while reporting success. :) |
| 08:42.58 | Blast_Hardcheese | stew: It has the geometry of the last attached terminal |
| 08:42.59 | Qantourisc | What is the package name for vim-full-without-X in debian ? |
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| 08:43.25 | Blast_Hardcheese | stew: If it reset to 0x0 then all my fancy ncurses stuff would be totally messed next time I reattached |
| 08:43.36 | willluongo | Qantourisc: vim-nox |
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| 08:43.49 | Somni | willluongo: it could be one of many things; your speakers might not work, the volume (on the speakers, or in the mixer) may be turned off, aplay could be silently failing attempting to write to a defunct or bad device |
| 08:44.09 | Qantourisc | willluongo: thanks |
| 08:44.13 | Somni | you would have to do considerably more debugging to find out what the problem is |
| 08:44.22 | willluongo | Somni: first two are ruled out. is there a log that I can check? |
| 08:44.29 | stew | Blast_Hardcheese: what do you mean by 0x0? ncurses stuff should gracefully resize when you resize the screen session |
| 08:44.40 | Blast_Hardcheese | 0x0 geometry |
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| 08:44.56 | Somni | willluongo: the speakers not working could be ruled out, and speaker volume, but I've seen nothing ruling out mixer settings |
| 08:44.57 | stew | Blast_Hardcheese: why would you resize it to 0x0? |
| 08:44.59 | LeoDing | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.14 | Blast_Hardcheese | stew: you asked the question "Does a detached screen session have a geometry?" |
| 08:45.16 | Blast_Hardcheese | I answered it |
| 08:45.21 | willluongo | Somni: Sorry, meant the speaker related problems |
| 08:45.23 | stew | ok |
| 08:45.39 | Somni | willluongo: where the problem is reported depends on what it is; check dmesg, and your system logs in /var/log |
| 08:45.43 | willluongo | How would you like me to verify it is not muted in the mixer? There is no little X on the volume manager app in gnome |
| 08:46.10 | stew | Blast_Hardcheese: do you mean that you would resize the size of the screen session to be width: 0 and height: 0? |
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| 08:46.27 | Somni | willluongo: check a mixer; aumix, alsamixer, etc. |
| 08:46.38 | Blast_Hardcheese | no, I gave you an example of why a detached screen session would logically have a geometry |
| 08:46.50 | stew | LeoDing: you'd have to boot to something else, perhaps a livecd, so that you could reduce the size of the filesystem while it was not mounted |
| 08:47.20 | Neburg | anyone knows how long the init daemon waits for processes to terminate when undergoing shutdown? i'm writing a backup script and have to make sure some daemons are stopped, so i need to know what is a reasonable time to wait before sending the SIGKILL signal |
| 08:47.35 | stew | Blast_Hardcheese: why do you need to know the geometry of a detached screen session |
| 08:48.07 | Blast_Hardcheese | stew: Because I need to know |
| 08:48.12 | stew | Blast_Hardcheese: why do you need to know the geometry of a detached screen session |
| 08:48.13 | LeoDing | stew: I must admit it is mounted and running some program... |
| 08:48.37 | stew | LeoDing: what filesystem is it? ext2/ext3? or somethine else? |
| 08:48.40 | stew | something* |
| 08:48.59 | LeoDing | stew: i find a bug,if you install lenny and choose hand-actuated partiong disk ,of cause using lvm,it could create lv... |
| 08:49.16 | Blast_Hardcheese | stew: Are you freaking serious? Do you expect every single person coming in here for advice to explain every single aspect of their problem to you when they just ask you something simple? |
| 08:49.21 | LeoDing | stew: it's ext3 |
| 08:49.24 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'm writing a script that uses the screen geometry, |
| 08:49.25 | willluongo | Somni: Nothing in dmesg or the syslog. Also alsamixers are good. |
| 08:49.51 | stew | Blast_Hardcheese: i'm just trying to help. I'm sorry i've annoyed you by trying to help. i'll avoid trying to help in the future |
| 08:49.55 | Blast_Hardcheese | that's all the information that is pertinent |
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| 08:50.16 | stew | LeoDing: you can't reduce the size of an ext3 partition while it is in use |
| 08:50.27 | Blast_Hardcheese | stew: You're not exactly trying to help by refusing to help until I give you irrelevant information |
| 08:50.44 | Somni | Blast_Hardcheese: it's not irrelevant if your reasons for wanting it have a better alternative |
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| 08:51.04 | Blast_Hardcheese | Somni: Right, That's usually why someone would ask why I would need something, |
| 08:51.13 | Somni | Neburg: it should wait for all of the relevant wait calls to return |
| 08:51.38 | Blast_Hardcheese | but unless screen has some magical flag that resizes the terminal emulator around the geometry of a screen session, it's irrelevant |
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| 08:52.12 | Blast_Hardcheese | I just want to get this script done before I go to sleep |
| 08:52.34 | LeoDing | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:52.40 | rebecka | So, I'm using knetworkmanager to connect to a mighty strange wpa2-enterprise network and I wonder if there is any way to extract needed entries for a wpa_supplicant.conf from knetworkmanager (since it uses wpa_supplicant to connect). |
| 08:52.58 | willluongo | Blast_Hardcheese: Maybe you should sleep first so you aren't so crabby when asking people to help you. :D |
| 08:53.09 | Blast_Hardcheese | willluongo: :( |
| 08:53.13 | Blast_Hardcheese | I wasn't crabby when I started |
| 08:53.22 | Blast_Hardcheese | I was intrigued by solutions to a problem that had stumped me |
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| 08:54.21 | stew | LeoDing: right becuase df is showing the size of the filesystem, not the size of the lv. you can only reduce the size of the filesystem when it is not mounted (you can increase the size, but not reduce it) |
| 08:55.13 | nkuttler | Blast_Hardcheese: um, even an attached screen session can have different geometries.. wrong question |
| 08:56.59 | Neburg | Somni: Neburg: i it should wait for all of the relevant wait calls to return -> but if you're waiting for a daemon to terminate by itself you can wait forever... there must be some time limit before init steps in and shuts them down itself |
| 08:57.06 | jescis | How can I get a working .bash_profile file? |
| 08:57.08 | LeoDing | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.22 | jescis | screwed his up :( |
| 08:57.24 | stew | LeoDing: yes, then you can use resize2fs |
| 08:57.28 | Somni | Neburg: not necessarily |
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| 08:57.39 | Somni | init can lock up on shutdown just fine |
| 08:57.56 | LeoDing | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:58.16 | Blast_Hardcheese | nkuttler: screen sessions have one display geometry. Terminal emulator geometry is irrelevant |
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| 08:59.48 | LeoDing | stew:None commands can on-line resize FS ? (function as like as command resize2fs) |
| 09:00.58 | stew | LeoDing: resize2fs can resize online, but only if you are increasing the size, not decreasing. i don't know of any way to decrease online |
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| 09:01.14 | stew | Blast_Hardcheese: different windows in the same screen session can have different geometry |
| 09:01.27 | Blast_Hardcheese | stew: That's true |
| 09:01.48 | LeoDing | stew: OK,thank you .it's looks i must off-line do it! |
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| 09:02.22 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 09:05.39 | Agiofws | sin ce i upgraded my kernel to 6.26 ati binaries will not install on my pc ... when i boot into 6.23 ati bainary installs fine ; i even tried debians way on my new kernel i still get errors ... it semms that it installs or compiles fine on he new kernel but when it tries to execute it i get errors ... ---> http://rafb.net/p/20zRb037.html and here http://rafb.net/p/toofast.html does anyone of you have this kind of probel |
| 09:05.39 | Agiofws | m aswell ? thankyou |
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| 09:07.00 | Agiofws | http://rafb.net/p/20zRb037.html |
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| 09:07.58 | Neburg | let me rephrase that: when i type halt, i get these messages: "INIT: Sending processes the TERM signal" followed by "INIT: Sending processes the KILL signal." what is the delay between these actions? |
| 09:08.31 | darmster | boo hoo :( I can't get the nvidia 173.14.12 driver to work on my lenny box let |
| 09:08.36 | darmster | *yet |
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| 09:08.48 | Somni | Neburg: whatever the kill script responsible for sending them wants |
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| 09:09.12 | jescis | wols_, would I do on a new line "PATH=~/directory/i_want" format for adding paths? |
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| 09:11.11 | doggymenz | where can i see which packages are requested for inclusion to the repository? |
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| 09:11.19 | doggymenz | where can i request a package for inclusion to repository? |
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| 09:11.53 | themill | dpkg: tell doggymenz about rfp |
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| 09:12.14 | Somni | hm, the INIT: output is sent directly from init itself |
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| 09:12.45 | Neburg | somni: where are these kill scripts you are talking about? do you mean the init.d scripts which execute the 'stop' action? most of these don't wait at all, they just send the SIGTERM (not SIGKILL) and exit |
| 09:13.21 | Somni | apt-get source sysvinit, read src/init.c |
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| 09:13.43 | Somni | you are probably approaching your problem poorly if you are relying on timing of signals |
| 09:13.56 | doggymenz | debian website not so pretty or userfriendly as ubuntu |
| 09:13.59 | boss | arm-linux-gcc command not available , what to do? |
| 09:14.34 | stew | doggymenz: /msg dpkg rfp ; /msg dpkg wnpp |
| 09:14.49 | stew | oh slow stew |
| 09:14.53 | jescis | doggymenz, ubuntu's not all that user friendly neither :( |
| 09:15.12 | doggymenz | jescis, i think it is |
| 09:15.32 | stew | doggymenz: if you think you can help make the debian.org website better, write http://lists.debian.org/debian-www |
| 09:15.40 | jescis | doggymenz, you never tried using it as a server :'( |
| 09:15.51 | doggymenz | jescis, true |
| 09:16.22 | Neburg | somni: what should i do when i have to be 100% sure a daemon is stopped, but it doesnt always respond to SIGTERM? |
| 09:16.59 | Somni | Neburg: why do you need to be certain the daemon is stopped? |
| 09:17.29 | jescis | stew, would I do on a new line "PATH=~/directory/i_want" format for adding paths in .bash_profile file? |
| 09:17.49 | Somni | and why isn't it stopping as it should be? |
| 09:18.23 | stew | jescis: that would be replacing the entire path, not adding a path, you want something like "PATH=~/directory/i_want:$PATH" |
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| 09:19.31 | Neburg | somni: 1. i need to be certain because the process should let go of files before unmounting the device, and 2: the daemon isn't always stopping because it doesnt |
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| 09:21.10 | jescis | stew, thanks ^^ |
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| 09:22.24 | Somni | Neburg: you're not really answering my questions, and I'm not really interested; you have init's source, you can tell what the timing is; beyond that, relying on any sort of timing, especially regarding signals and the proper shutdown of a daemon, is flawed; you need to approach your problem from a different direction |
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| 09:24.06 | Agiofws | is anyone running catalyst with x > 2.6.25 ? |
| 09:24.09 | Agiofws | pls msg me |
| 09:25.07 | enouf | !ati |
| 09:25.08 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>. |
| 09:25.35 | ceil420 | !radeonhd |
| 09:25.35 | dpkg | radeonhd is, like, the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets (http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd). Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' in Lenny. #radeonhd @ irc.freenode.net. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask about <radeon>, <fglrx>. |
| 09:27.03 | Neburg | somni: shit happens, get over it. Not every daemon will die nicely. In order to build a fault-tolerant system you have to be prepared for the worst case scenario. thanks for the pointers, it is good to know that the answer will be somewhere in the sourcecode and not in a onfiguration file... |
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| 09:27.49 | Somni | yes, shit does happen, that's why you shouldn't be relying on timing or the proper shutdown of a daemon |
| 09:27.53 | Somni | which is what I just said |
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| 09:28.35 | Zvpun | apt-get dist-upgrade says "esound-client xli xscreensaver" need to be installed. aptitude full-upgrade says none needs to be installed. Why is that? |
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| 09:29.07 | enouf | Agiofws: whatever this URL was supposed to be http://rafb.net/p/toofast.html it's a dud ... now, the other one you posted twice, so instead of 3 there's 1 - and that just says you don't have permissions to load the module or there's some conflict |
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| 09:29.29 | MacGyverNL | Okay, I realise I'm doing it wrong, but how do I grep the entire filesystem for occurrence of a string in a text file, skipping binaries entirely? |
| 09:29.41 | Somni | grep -r |
| 09:29.45 | Zvpun | How can I find out, why apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install esound-client, xli, and xscreensaver? |
| 09:29.55 | Agiofws | enouf, perms were ok i was roota at the time enouf there is some bug somewhere |
| 09:30.21 | Somni | Zvpun: try apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
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| 09:30.47 | Zvpun | Somni: doesn't show, why it wants to install the 3. |
| 09:31.27 | Somni | Zvpun: there are no additional packages or upgrades listed? no mention of anything being kept back? |
| 09:31.45 | Zvpun | 0 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 09:32.16 | Zvpun | Why are apt-get and aptitude different? |
| 09:32.43 | enouf | Neburg: funny, i see "INIT: Sending processes the TERM signal" followed by "INIT: Sending processes the KILL signal." precisely when i use sysrq and invoke the 'e' and 'i' options IIRC |
| 09:33.16 | enouf | Agiofws: perhaps - is that a Debian kernel or your custom one? |
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| 09:33.28 | Agiofws | vanilla one |
| 09:33.42 | enouf | Agiofws: modprobe -v , and/or strace might help more |
| 09:34.04 | Agiofws | hmm ok |
| 09:34.07 | enouf | Agiofws: well, we have no idea how well or bad your build is - so ... |
| 09:34.33 | Agiofws | ok let me boot into 26 and tell you |
| 09:34.40 | enouf | please try with a Debain made image if you want more help |
| 09:34.49 | Agiofws | enouf, are mesa drivers included kernel ? |
| 09:35.16 | enouf | Agiofws: and even then, Binary blobs are not really a subject of help in here |
| 09:35.44 | boss | arm-linux-gcc command not available , what to do? |
| 09:35.54 | enouf | Agiofws: mesa are pkgs, apt-cache show libgl1-mesa-* |
| 09:36.04 | enouf | well .. |
| 09:36.08 | Agiofws | enouf, http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7631 |
| 09:36.10 | Agiofws | ok |
| 09:36.39 | enouf | Agiofws: mesa are pkgs, apt-cache search mesa | grep lib |
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| 09:39.07 | enouf | Agiofws: isn't there an #fglrx or #ati or #rage channel or something? |
| 09:39.17 | Agiofws | i'm there |
| 09:39.30 | enouf | where? |
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| 09:41.07 | boss | arm-linux-gcc command not available , what to do? |
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| 09:41.29 | vlt | Hello. After every reboot my /etc/resolv.conf has changed. There's no dhcp client running. What else could cause this? What do I have to look for? |
| 09:41.36 | ace | hello there, i'm a little noob, but is it a problem to move from stable to testing changing just the source.list and then dist-upgrade? |
| 09:42.53 | pngwn | !tell ace -about stable-etch |
| 09:43.02 | Neburg | FYI: i found the answer to my question in man telinit: "telinit can tell init how long it should wait between sending processes the SIGTERM and SIGKILL signals. The default is 5 seconds, but this can be changed with the -t option." |
| 09:43.04 | idimmu | vlt: gnome network configuration monitor? |
| 09:43.17 | pngwn | !tell ace -about etch-testing |
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| 09:43.34 | pngwn | !tell ace -about stable-testing |
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| 09:43.44 | ace | lol |
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| 09:46.10 | nkuttler | boss: what are you trying to do? |
| 09:46.22 | ace | i still receive nothing |
| 09:47.00 | Zvpun | apt-get dist-upgrade says "esound-client xli xscreensaver" need to be installed. aptitude full-upgrade says none needs to be installed. Why is that? |
| 09:47.05 | rvsjoen | install resolvconf and edit the base file to reflect your changes, does avahi-daemon mess with resolv.conf ? check the if-up scripts |
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| 09:47.46 | rvsjoen | my guess would be full-upgrade looks at the durrent dist |
| 09:47.48 | rvsjoen | current |
| 09:48.04 | boss | nkuttler, i am compiling a source that time it is giving an error that arm-linux-gcc is not found |
| 09:48.26 | boss | nkuttler, do you have any idea over this |
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| 09:49.47 | zxxd | anyone |
| 09:49.51 | zxxd | know the name of openoffice channel |
| 09:51.38 | vlt | idimmu: Gnome is not installed. Seems to be something my hoster changes. Debian is running on a virtual server there ... |
| 09:51.55 | idimmu | oh right no idea then tbh |
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| 09:56.01 | ace | is an dist-upgarde is enough to move from stable to testing? |
| 09:56.27 | joltcan | ace: yes |
| 09:56.38 | joltcan | ace: but there is no going back though |
| 09:56.39 | ace | because i see there s also a full-upgrade |
| 09:56.43 | Somni | besides all of the conflicts and configuration problems you will more than likely have to resolve, yes |
| 09:56.48 | ace | yes of course |
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| 09:59.29 | Internat | has anyone here had any issues with the rc2 net install disk? |
| 09:59.33 | Internat | i just cant get it to boot :/ |
| 10:00.19 | joltcan | Internat: No idea, but I think cd's are boring, so have you tried with PXE? |
| 10:00.40 | Internat | cant say i hav |
| 10:00.53 | boss | arm-linux-gcc command not available , what to do? |
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| 10:06.10 | timido | hey how do i reconfigured gdesklets? |
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| 10:08.12 | phr3ak | how could i detect the type of memory modules? ddr1/2, ecc? |
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| 10:10.38 | gionn | phr3ak, try with lshw |
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| 10:11.19 | phr3ak | lshw don't tell theese info |
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| 10:14.30 | gionn | mine yes |
| 10:14.32 | gionn | *-bank:0 |
| 10:14.33 | gionn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:14.43 | SPF | how does rdate work? should I wait for it to return. It seems stuck. Does anyone know a public time server I could use? |
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| 10:16.51 | phr3ak | 0.debian.pool.ntp.org |
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| 10:17.35 | phr3ak | try ntpdate |
| 10:17.56 | phr3ak | gionn: i need info ddr1 or 2 and ecc or no? |
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| 10:19.33 | wald0 | where is configured the Print key of the keyboards ? i don't want that my printer prints anything when i press it accidentally |
| 10:20.00 | gionn | the frequency should be enough to see if it is ddr or ddr2, phr3ak |
| 10:21.00 | phr3ak | ecc? |
| 10:21.06 | gionn | phr3ak, http://z.hubpages.com/u/44711_f520.jpg |
| 10:21.37 | phr3ak | 400 ddr1 and drr2 too |
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| 10:22.01 | SPF | phr3ak: thx |
| 10:22.18 | gionn | phr3ak, check your mobo manual :P |
| 10:22.30 | gionn | for ecc don't know |
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| 10:32.13 | tview | something "bad" has happened to my mailserver. Its a headless machine. I rebooted it, I can ping but its not responding or allowing ssh login. I have all the passwords etc, is there any onther way to get in to vai some other form of network connection or shell? (the apache browser is not accessible either). |
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| 10:32.35 | tview | (it does respond to ping and the router says it is connected) |
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| 10:37.06 | jelly | tview: unless you took some step in advance (like connecting a serial console), not really |
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| 10:37.55 | tview | jelly: oh rats. What a pita. Cant remember reconfiguring anthything either. Been working fine for months. |
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| 10:42.55 | FettoTomas | can someone help me with http://pastebin.com/m314a3d32 O.o |
| 10:43.29 | agiofws_ | since i upgraded my kernel to 6.26 ati binaries will not install on my pc ... when i boot into 6.23 ati bainary installs fine ; i even tried debians way on my new kernel i still get errors ... it semms that it installs or compiles fine on he new kernel but when it tries to execute it i get errors ... ---> http://rafb.net/p/20zRb037.html and here http://rafb.net/p/MQuij834.html does anyone of you have this kind of proble |
| 10:43.34 | agiofws_ | m. ? |
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| 10:50.54 | jelly | FettoTomas: is libgcj7-0 installed? |
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| 10:53.25 | noborusa | i guess everyone else is sleeping now :) |
| 10:54.23 | FettoTomas | jelly: dont know |
| 10:54.34 | noboru | faints |
| 10:54.39 | tview | Is it possible my mailserver has just closed down for a short while because of erroneous connection attempts and it will open up later? |
| 10:55.32 | jelly | FettoTomas: find out! First, do "export LANG=C" to get English messages. Then dpkg -l packagename | tail -1 |
| 10:56.42 | FettoTomas | jelly: ye but someting is frong now :s |
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| 10:56.56 | noboru | hi FettoTomas ,may i ask,in english ins means inch or ? |
| 10:59.01 | FettoTomas | O.o |
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| 11:00.53 | dani___ | hi all |
| 11:01.20 | FettoTomas | jelly: i get someting there ye |
| 11:01.25 | dani___ | I had some problem with the installation of 4.0 and I have a source.conf without the repository |
| 11:01.45 | dani___ | I mean apt-get install apache doens't give me any package |
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| 11:02.06 | tview | Is there any way to tell if a headless machine is actually running a kernel? Ping replies just fine, but is that just the network card doing an auto response? |
| 11:02.07 | dani___ | someone known where to find (or reconfigure) the repositories ? |
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| 11:03.19 | joltcan | dani___: apt-cache search apache, there are multiple named "apache*", but not just "apache" |
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| 11:05.34 | dani___ | joltcan: I can't find the apache* app ... only libapache* |
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| 11:05.46 | dani___ | the only entries I have in the source.conf are : |
| 11:06.06 | FettoTomas | jelly: http://pastebin.com/m63b5b33e english ^^ |
| 11:06.24 | dani___ | for the updates I think |
| 11:06.40 | themill | dani___: sources.list perhaps? |
| 11:07.34 | dani___ | ops |
| 11:07.35 | dani___ | yes |
| 11:07.38 | dani___ | :) |
| 11:08.05 | dani___ | during the installation I had no net , so I skip that step |
| 11:08.10 | themill | dani___: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list for us? |
| 11:08.17 | dani___ | now I commented the cdrom entries |
| 11:08.48 | themill | dani___: sounds like you need to add a mirror (and make sure security is not commented out). /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 11:09.35 | dani___ | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 11:09.45 | dani___ | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 11:09.59 | dani___ | those are the only two uncommented |
| 11:10.16 | themill | dpkg: tell dani___ about mirrors |
| 11:10.27 | dani___ | thanks |
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| 11:18.59 | jMCg | Does anyone know of something like http://creativecommons.org/license/ for FOSS licenses? |
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| 11:22.08 | FettoTomas | Hi! Can someone help me with http://pastebin.com/m63b5b33e |
| 11:22.31 | tview | my debian mailserver has stopped taking ssh connections. I can ping it and I get a reply. Does this mean the kernel is working or is the ping reply from the card HW? |
| 11:22.41 | tview | (its a headless machine) |
| 11:23.39 | petemc | tview: if you telnet to port 22 do you get connection refused or.. ? |
| 11:23.56 | tview | petemc: can you take me through it please |
| 11:24.01 | petemc | telnet host 22 |
| 11:24.21 | tview | no route to host |
| 11:25.23 | tview | but the interesting thing is that I have dhcp turned OFF on my router but the lan machines rebooted all got their correct IPs. They only place they could have go that was from the dhcp server (the mailserver). |
| 11:26.24 | jMCg | Why do I feel creepy when I heard dhcp and mailserver in the same sentence? |
| 11:26.24 | tview | jMCg: I dont know. Please tell. |
| 11:26.43 | petemc | possible because you're of the microsoft consultant mindset that thinks every service should have its own machine |
| 11:27.14 | petemc | tview: utlimately, you're going to need to plug a keyboard and monitor in, so you might as well just do that now |
| 11:27.24 | petemc | rather that speculating as to whats wrong |
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| 11:28.04 | OpenTokix | Have anyone installed nvidia drivers on the latest lenny kernel? |
| 11:28.12 | OpenTokix | It compiles, but xorg refuses to start |
| 11:28.17 | tview | petemc: yeah I know. Problem is that in a fit of "tidying up" (you know the other halves get about cables and old stuff littering the flat) I binned the spare video card. I had taken it out of the machine as it was a bit flakey. Damn. Damn :-( |
| 11:28.43 | jMCg | FettoTomas: that's a whole bunch of crap you have there, and it all comes from one --configure that fails. |
| 11:29.09 | FettoTomas | O.o |
| 11:29.39 | jMCg | petemc: there's nothing wrong about isolating services. What I meant is that you usually get into trouble with smtpds which don't have their IPs and routes set in stone. |
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| 11:30.24 | petemc | jMCg: the mail server acts as the dhcpd, that would indicate to me that it does have a static address |
| 11:30.30 | tview | jMCg: the mailserver / dhcp machine does. It has a static ip. The lan machines dont. Nothing strange about that. |
| 11:30.48 | jMCg | got that wrong then. |
| 11:30.57 | tview | (well they do, but I allow the dhcpd to assign their "static IPs...) |
| 11:31.33 | tview | Anyway, what a PITA. I'm sure nothing changed on the server. |
| 11:31.43 | petemc | you cant be sure of anything |
| 11:32.12 | tview | Correction - I am sure i didnt change anything on purpose (e.g did no updates): Clearly something has changed :-; |
| 11:32.50 | tview | I hope its not something silly like dovecot getting its panties in a twist when I purged about 10,000 emails yesterday. |
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| 11:34.22 | jMCg | tview: that shouldn't have affected your routes or IPs in any way or the other. |
| 11:34.49 | tview | jMCg: clearly not. But who knows how its reaction might have halted other processes/services. |
| 11:35.01 | Internat | umm why does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg not prompt for me to select a driver etc? |
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| 11:35.49 | tview | but just to clarify : if a mchine responds to a ping, can we deduce from that that a kernel is running and networked? Or is it the HW which responds? |
| 11:36.02 | wols_ | tview: kernel |
| 11:36.51 | tview | So the networking is working. Gah. I wonder why the hell the dhcp server and the dns and the sshd have stopped. |
| 11:37.31 | jMCg | tview: if it says: No route to host, it means the route is set wrong, i.e.: The default gateway. |
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| 11:38.53 | themill | Internat: lenny? |
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| 11:41.02 | jMCg | FettoTomas: you can try to aptitude clean ; aptitude update and go over it again. |
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| 11:42.37 | FettoTomas | jMCg: ok |
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| 11:48.12 | Internat | themill: yep |
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| 11:48.38 | themill | subscribes Internat to debian-devel-announce and installs apt-listchanges on his machine |
| 11:48.46 | Internat | lol |
| 11:48.56 | Internat | fresh install.. :) |
| 11:49.13 | Internat | *goes and reads* |
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| 11:49.58 | Internat | grr and kde is still screwed. |
| 11:50.30 | Internat | for some reason everything is massive. even though the res is 1920x1080 and things be running good like, its almost like the screen is in 640x480 |
| 11:50.37 | Internat | even the startp wizard doesnt fitr on the screen! |
| 11:50.39 | abrotman | maybe it is ... |
| 11:50.52 | abrotman | just because you think it's 1920 .. doesn't mean it actually is |
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| 11:51.17 | Internat | well kde is reporting 1920 |
| 11:51.37 | themill | Internat: your monitor must be giving wrong information about its size. Change the displaysize setting in xorg.conf. |
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| 11:52.10 | Internat | xorg log says its 1920 |
| 11:52.59 | themill | displaysize is physical dimensions |
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| 11:54.15 | Internat | err.. i dont know what you mean then |
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| 11:55.30 | themill | Internat: man xorg.conf. look for the DisplaySize option. |
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| 11:56.57 | rvsjoen | how can you list all the files in a specific package ? |
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| 11:57.19 | abrotman | rvsjoen: man apt-file or man dpkg |
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| 11:57.38 | rvsjoen | thanks |
| 11:58.09 | Internat | physical demensions eh |
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| 11:59.14 | Farhadix | Hi guys, my usb mouse dosn't work,the led is off, which daemon i must restart to fix this problem? |
| 11:59.17 | quik__ | how can I tell what kernel modules are available to my system? |
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| 12:02.11 | quik__ | I'm trying : /sbin/modprobe appletalk |
| 12:02.23 | quik__ | and getting: FATAL: Module appletalk not found. |
| 12:02.23 | quik__ | what exactly does that mean? |
| 12:02.31 | guk | modconf |
| 12:02.37 | guk | apt-get install modconf ... then sudo modconf |
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| 12:02.46 | guk | it's like a little ui for your kernel modules |
| 12:02.57 | abrotman | or don't use sudo .. not everyone has that installed |
| 12:03.01 | abrotman | silly ubuntu users ... |
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| 12:03.19 | krux0 | ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.x |
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| 12:03.55 | abrotman | quik__: which kernel are you using? |
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| 12:04.58 | quik__ | abrotman: urm, its a daily lenny arm build |
| 12:05.05 | abrotman | quik__: uname -a |
| 12:05.13 | Somni | find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name '*.ko' |
| 12:05.28 | abrotman | how about .. /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.dep ... |
| 12:05.35 | quik__ | Linux debian 2.6.26-1-orion5x #1 Fri Aug 29 10:31:24 UTC 2008 armv5tel GNU/Linux |
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| 12:05.52 | abrotman | quik__: on a lenny box here .. I have appletalk |
| 12:06.06 | abrotman | filename: /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/net/appletalk/appletalk.ko |
| 12:06.21 | quik__ | abrotman: hmm, I don;t |
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| 12:06.38 | abrotman | quik__: entirely possible that's not an ARM module |
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| 12:07.10 | quik__ | abrotman: could I find it and try to build it? |
| 12:07.18 | abrotman | no idea .. |
| 12:07.25 | abrotman | i checked an x86 box here |
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| 12:08.28 | quik__ | abrotman: I wouldn't know where to start :) keen to try though |
| 12:08.52 | fl0w | If I set my account as owner of a directory, then www-data as the group for the directory, then chmod 775 should give read/write permissions for all the user in www-data group, or am I completely off here? |
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| 12:09.22 | abrotman | fl0w: it should .. |
| 12:09.28 | fl0w | huh, but it doesn't :) |
| 12:09.30 | abrotman | quik__: why would you want to use appletalk ? |
| 12:09.36 | abrotman | fl0w: did you logout/login ? |
| 12:09.54 | quik__ | abrotman: I have a house full of macs? |
| 12:10.00 | pozic | Is there a way to let users run programs without them being able to copy those programs on a remote (for the user) server? |
| 12:10.15 | fl0w | hm, no, but the problem is that my apache installation still can't read/write in that directory. I must be doing something wrong, one sec. :) |
| 12:10.17 | abrotman | quik__: OSX? use samba |
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| 12:10.25 | quik__ | abrotman: samba sucks and nfs feels too foreign? |
| 12:10.38 | abrotman | quik__: you actually think appletalk is good? |
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| 12:11.06 | quik__ | samba? :( |
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| 12:12.07 | abrotman | quik__: unless yu're running something less than OSX .. (MacOS7 or something goofy) .. samba is way way easier |
| 12:12.08 | quik__ | tell me whats good about samba? |
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| 12:13.14 | quik__ | abrotman: until I get afp working, perhaps I'll need to settle |
| 12:13.39 | abrotman | quik__: do you have any other debian boxes in your house? |
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| 12:14.10 | quik__ | abrotman: give me the 3 command guide to getting a samba share working and you'll convince me :) |
| 12:14.18 | abrotman | aptitude install samba |
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| 12:14.25 | abrotman | edit the file and create a share |
| 12:14.26 | quik__ | abrotman: I /had/ one, but I've recently moved house. The power supply went ka-boom when I turned it back on :( |
| 12:14.27 | abrotman | restart samba |
| 12:14.36 | abrotman | quik__: ick |
| 12:14.42 | pozic | abrotman: he is referring to the edit a file part. |
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| 12:14.57 | quik__ | the lights dimmed and everything |
| 12:15.05 | abrotman | pozic: it's not rocket science to create a share .. |
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| 12:15.19 | quik__ | pozic: I assume there are some happy defaults in a share file for example sake |
| 12:15.20 | abrotman | even easier if it's just a generic public share |
| 12:15.31 | quik__ | abrotman: why aptitude rather than apt-get? |
| 12:15.43 | abrotman | !tell quik__ about why aptitude |
| 12:15.50 | quik__ | only public shares required in this house |
| 12:16.15 | quik__ | workgroup/domain names :? |
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| 12:16.44 | doudou | how |
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| 12:16.49 | pozic | abrotman: no, it's working here also. |
| 12:16.52 | quik__ | "HOME" |
| 12:17.06 | abrotman | pozic: working? |
| 12:17.10 | pozic | abrotman: but you still need to read the documentation, something that shouldn't be required. |
| 12:17.22 | abrotman | pozic: use swat |
| 12:17.37 | pozic | abrotman: I did once, but it didn't work. |
| 12:17.40 | abrotman | pozic: and that's quite possibly the saddest thing i've seen today |
| 12:17.45 | pozic | abrotman: but in hindsight that was of a bug. |
| 12:17.47 | themill | pozic: right click on directory in konqueor -> properties -> sharing -> Add. |
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| 12:17.58 | abrotman | assuming it's running KDE |
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| 12:18.29 | quik__ | abrotman: hmm. same kind of error for netatalk |
| 12:18.33 | pozic | abrotman: what is the saddest thing you have seen today? |
| 12:18.45 | abrotman | pozic: you saying that you shouldn't have to read documentation |
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| 12:19.37 | abrotman | quik__: what is netatalk for? |
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| 12:19.47 | quik__ | afp |
| 12:20.03 | abrotman | thought samba was going to be tried |
| 12:20.57 | pozic | abrotman: it isn't as easy as it could be. If it were, nobody would ever have to ask a question about setting up a share. Windows configuration of shares (especially those with passwords) is not easy either. |
| 12:21.36 | abrotman | pozic: do you want a file server? or a desktop? if you want a desktop, i'm pretty sure both gnome and kde have clicky-things for windows weenies like you |
| 12:21.44 | quik__ | abrotman: I'm giving it a crack |
| 12:21.48 | pozic | abrotman: what are you talking about? |
| 12:21.49 | abrotman | if you want a fileserver .. you should read the docs in any OS |
| 12:21.52 | quik__ | just reading through the MEGA default config file |
| 12:21.55 | pozic | abrotman: I already set it up years ago. |
| 12:22.03 | pozic | abrotman: I don't have a question about Samba. |
| 12:22.09 | abrotman | just ignores pozic |
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| 12:22.35 | liable | you cant |
| 12:22.35 | abrotman | quik__: i believe there's a section in there that talks about creating shares for /home/ |
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| 12:23.34 | pozic | "Windows weenies like you" ... that deserves a ban. |
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| 12:23.42 | abrotman | go ahead |
| 12:24.14 | pozic | Sure, I will get the ops that I don't have and will get right to it. |
| 12:24.23 | abrotman | you can still ask for one |
| 12:24.37 | liable | please ban yourlsef |
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| 12:24.38 | quik__ | abrotman: yes there is a default for it |
| 12:24.44 | Agiofws | is there any function in debian to disable PAT ? |
| 12:24.44 | pozic | I don't care that much. |
| 12:24.51 | Agiofws | or wft is enabling it ? |
| 12:25.28 | abrotman | quik__: i think that section may require passwords .. but I don't use it |
| 12:25.41 | quik__ | guest ok = yes |
| 12:25.43 | quik__ | weird. |
| 12:26.44 | quik__ | hmm, can I disable login requirements for samba in a global sense? |
| 12:27.12 | Somni | Agiofws: PAT? |
| 12:27.46 | Agiofws | some thing todo with memory handling or alocation |
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| 12:27.56 | Agiofws | Somni, i am having this problem |
| 12:27.58 | pozic | abrotman: why is quik__ asking questions as it can be so easily done with Gnome and KDE? |
| 12:28.05 | Agiofws | http://rafb.net/p/MQ8aE290.html |
| 12:28.35 | screamingbytes | suggestions or recommendations on SMTP? Sendmail, Exim4, i think the other is postfix |
| 12:28.43 | Somni | Agiofws: I see nothing regarding PAT in there |
| 12:28.45 | quik__ | abrotman: why is pozic asking you questions he could ask me? |
| 12:28.50 | liable | ts amazing how easy a chewed fingernail falls right in between keys on my laptop and dissapears forever |
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| 12:29.15 | abrotman | quik__: i could make guesses, but then he'd ask for a ban |
| 12:29.16 | quik__ | pozic: its a headless system. kde blows. kthxbye |
| 12:29.19 | Somni | quik__: pozic is angry and borderline trolling, probably best to ignore him |
| 12:29.20 | screamingbytes | liable: lol |
| 12:29.31 | quik__ | Somni: only borderline? ;) |
| 12:29.33 | idimmu | i think we all need a group hug |
| 12:29.40 | Somni | quik__: well, I'm being generous |
| 12:30.03 | Agiofws | Somni, http://rafb.net/p/DaFvAf69.html try this |
| 12:30.12 | pozic | Somni: angry? You should have learned by now that reading emotions over the wire doesn't work. |
| 12:30.18 | quik__ | . o O ( Who uses *nix for the GUI anyway? ) |
| 12:30.35 | jelly | screamingbytes: purpose of the system? postfix or exim4 are fine |
| 12:30.59 | abrotman | quik__: FWIW .. googling "samba public share" returns a few hits .. i'd guess "samba anonymous share" would yield similar results |
| 12:31.08 | Somni | Agiofws: why do you think PAT is a problem? |
| 12:31.10 | screamingbytes | jelly: just one of my local machines, grabbing my email from a few accounts |
| 12:31.16 | Somni | Agiofws: do you even know what it is? |
| 12:31.29 | abrotman | quik__: but from glancing at them .. seems it might be easier to start your smb.conf from scratch than editing the monster default one |
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| 12:32.21 | quik__ | abrotman: fair call on the google reminder :) |
| 12:32.25 | Agiofws | Somni, if you look at that last paste you will see |
| 12:32.27 | quik__ | #debian is so friendly though ;) |
| 12:32.35 | abrotman | quik__: some of anyways .. hrmph |
| 12:32.40 | abrotman | of us |
| 12:33.02 | Somni | Agiofws: I see [fglrx] PAT is enabled successfully! |
| 12:33.03 | rchi | quik__, i use "*nix" for the gui :D |
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| 12:33.14 | benjo | didum\ |
| 12:33.21 | Somni | Agiofws: I see no mention of what it is, nor any obvious explanation as to why you think it's a problem |
| 12:33.41 | screamingbytes | quik__: out of 5 box's I use the gui on 1, to deal with MS crap I get from other ppl. |
| 12:33.59 | screamingbytes | quik__: photo editing too |
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| 12:34.16 | quik__ | I only use windows for browser testing, even thats in a vm though |
| 12:34.17 | PDani | hi |
| 12:34.43 | PDani | is the kde4 package broken in testing? |
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| 12:34.53 | abrotman | there is no KDE4 in testing |
| 12:34.54 | screamingbytes | quik__: that too lol, but you could get IE to work on wine if you felt like it. |
| 12:34.55 | rchi | id use windows everyday if i didnt use the internet |
| 12:35.34 | quik__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.41 | PDani | oh, it's in experimental |
| 12:35.58 | abrotman | PDani: ask #debian-kde |
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| 12:37.09 | quik__ | gr. I can't convince my machine to mount a samba share |
| 12:37.17 | abrotman | give it beer |
| 12:37.31 | abrotman | your OSX machine? |
| 12:37.46 | quik__ | yeah |
| 12:37.48 | screamingbytes | quik__: linux -> Windows? |
| 12:38.02 | abrotman | quik__: does it give you an error? |
| 12:38.24 | qini | Hey, need some thoughts on power management... Do you think I would be able to gain a significant (1Watt or more) battery life by running a Debian minimally set up compared to Ubuntu? |
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| 12:38.25 | quik__ | screamingbytes: linux -> mac |
| 12:39.05 | themill | qini: unlikely. But you can easily save that amount of power in other ways |
| 12:39.11 | screamingbytes | quik__: aye, not a user of OSX :(, its FreeBSD isn't it? |
| 12:39.13 | quik__ | using the gui, it tells me: "This file server does not allow Guest access." |
| 12:39.49 | quik__ | screamingbytes: no way. all macs here |
| 12:39.55 | qini | themill: I hope so. My X60s is down to 9,2 to 10 Watts. I want it down to 8 like in Windows |
| 12:40.03 | abrotman | lesswatts.org |
| 12:40.12 | qini | I am using those suggestions already :) |
| 12:40.15 | qini | from that site |
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| 12:40.46 | ttl- | greetings everyone |
| 12:41.02 | qini | So running a minimal Debian with Fluxbox compared to Ubuntu with GNOME would not make any difference? |
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| 12:41.21 | abrotman | qini: you would have to test it |
| 12:41.22 | rchi | quik__, i think he means, some code of osx comes from freebsd maybe |
| 12:41.23 | quik__ | how could I mount it on the debian machine? |
| 12:41.23 | quik__ | I tried: mount -t smb localhost:Movies /mnt/Movies |
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| 12:41.54 | quik__ | rchi: yeah, like all of it before apple touched their filthy hands on it |
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| 12:42.09 | qini | abrotman: out of CDs atm, so was hoping someone was able to clear this up ^^ |
| 12:42.15 | abrotman | quik__: smbclient -L <hostname> .. do you see it listed ? |
| 12:42.19 | screamingbytes | quik__ have you tried sending credentials with the mount request? |
| 12:42.24 | qini | only got an Ubuntu disc, all the others got lost when I moved |
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| 12:42.43 | themill | qini: why not run ubuntu with fluxbox? That's available too isn't it? But fiddling with hard drive spin down times and backlights are IME much more likely to give you big improvements than changing desktop |
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| 12:43.12 | quik__ | session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE |
| 12:43.46 | qini | I agree, all that already gave me roughly 6 Watts less. I tried running Fluxbox on Ubuntu, but alot of the GNOME stuff is still running in the background I think |
| 12:43.46 | simNIX | or maybe try Ubuntulight; it has the very light LXDE desktop |
| 12:44.36 | ghatak | Hi guys, I want to mirror debian repository locally, for i386, sparc and amd64. However having three copies of repositories is taking too much space on local disk. Are there certain things that can be combined? like arch independent stuff. The idea is to save some space but still stay upto date automatically. |
| 12:45.00 | idimmu | maybe just try a caching proxy instead? |
| 12:45.10 | idimmu | that way if youre supplying the same packages to multiple servers |
| 12:45.11 | quik__ | screamingbytes, abrotman : NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE seems to a challenge? |
| 12:45.14 | idimmu | youll only snag the package once |
| 12:45.34 | abrotman | quik__: you may have to set the guest account |
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| 12:46.41 | qini | Thanks for the input, I'll continue tweaking Ubuntu then - almost there anyway |
| 12:47.00 | ghatak | idimmu: the issue is that my internal network is spread across multiple sites, I want to have one authoritative source for packages and then distribute it across other areas of the network |
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| 12:47.20 | abrotman | ghatak: you can still use an apt proxy for that |
| 12:47.31 | idimmu | yeah |
| 12:47.34 | simNIX | ghatak, I use apt-mirror to keep a mirro, in my case only i386, but you can tell it what archs to get - all binaries will be diferent, but whats common wil be on disk only once this way |
| 12:47.41 | ghatak | anyhow, I still want to have a local repository in case of no network connectivity to outside world |
| 12:47.52 | Somni | ghatak: see apt-proxy |
| 12:48.12 | abrotman | ghatak: you could mirror just main .. and proxy contrib/non-free |
| 12:48.13 | Somni | also apt-cacher |
| 12:48.31 | abrotman | and approx |
| 12:48.39 | ghatak | right, will check suggugestions |
| 12:49.11 | qini | Anyone got an idea how I can get the laptop to run as silent and cold when on AC power? When I am charging the battery, the laptop is in C3 only 50% of the time, compared to 90% when on battery. |
| 12:49.17 | abrotman | qini: ask #ubuntu |
| 12:49.56 | qini | Too much spam there, too many with no real knowledge :) |
| 12:49.57 | abrotman | qini: ask #ubuntu |
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| 12:50.04 | abrotman | if you want to ask here, install Debian |
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| 12:50.22 | themill | qini: The polite way to ask for help in #debian is to first install debian. |
| 12:50.36 | idimmu | lol |
| 12:50.49 | abrotman | or at least ask how to install debian |
| 12:50.57 | qini | Stop taking it as a personal offense that I am running Ubuntu. If I had an empty CD I would have installed Debian |
| 12:51.12 | joltcan | qini: Use PXE, then you don't need a CD |
| 12:51.15 | MikeH` | Hello there, I'm looking to setup a debian based router/firewall/server, I have a couple of questions. Are there any debian/apt based distro's setup specifically for routing/firewall uses, and if not, are there any guides that cover this in detail (I'm specifically looking at a combined nat and no-nat setup) |
| 12:51.20 | joltcan | PXE <3 |
| 12:51.25 | abrotman | qini: then ask #ubuntu .. it's not up for debate, you're offtopic now |
| 12:51.27 | screamingbytes | abrotman: doesn Linux or OSX pass NT_... errors? |
| 12:51.47 | screamingbytes | abrotman: like NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE, thats windows isn't it? |
| 12:51.52 | joltcan | NT_XX... are from smb |
| 12:51.53 | quik__ | abrotman: I set it to "nobody |
| 12:52.02 | quik__ | but then it asked for a password |
| 12:52.12 | abrotman | http://micheljansen.org/blog/entry/182 |
| 12:52.30 | AngamaraStudio | Hello, i am a probleme with "[PCNTL] Process Functions Control"... How to proceed to activate PCNTL ? |
| 12:52.33 | ttl- | How to create a DVD disk which can hold a single 4.1gb file? genisoimage complaints about the file being to large... |
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| 12:53.28 | joltcan | quik__: It will ask for a password depending on your security = foo setup |
| 12:53.34 | AngamaraStudio | (PHP Version 5.2.0-8+etch11) |
| 12:54.04 | tacit | How do I turn the DVD isos (well the packages contained in them) into an apt source to share over the network? |
| 12:54.15 | abrotman | ttl-: maybe growisofs .. i don't have a DVD burner |
| 12:54.37 | joltcan | abrotman: I have no idea, but I guess it's a package you can use from pear |
| 12:54.55 | abrotman | i didn't ask about php |
| 12:54.56 | screamingbytes | quik__: ooh, have you created users with smbclient? |
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| 12:55.26 | quik__ | no. but then again. I don't want any users |
| 12:55.45 | Somni | ttl-: you probably can't |
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| 12:56.20 | kionez | Hi all, i've a stupid question.. is there a way to bypass the post-install start of a daemon? i would like to install, for example, lighttpd but i dont want to start it before i configure it (i.e.: in a chroot environment, creating a CompactFlash image) |
| 12:56.24 | Somni | the ISO filesystems are pretty limited, given the systems they need to work on |
| 12:56.26 | screamingbytes | quik__: you have to for smb afaik, |
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| 12:56.41 | screamingbytes | quik__: with smbpasswd or smbclient, i forget which |
| 12:57.26 | screamingbytes | quik__: im reading abrotmans link here, and it reminded me about creating users |
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| 12:58.03 | screamingbytes | quik__: http://www.micheljansen.org/blog/entry/182 |
| 12:59.11 | quik__ | hmm |
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| 12:59.31 | quik__ | abrotman: so whats interesting to me |
| 13:00.37 | quik__ | is that you didn't suggest nfs? :) |
| 13:01.07 | Somni | quik__: aren't you dealing with Windows systems? |
| 13:02.03 | abrotman | quik__: i have zero knowledge of OSX and nfs .. |
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| 13:02.10 | abrotman | quik__: i assume it works :) |
| 13:02.26 | quik__ | Somni: not at all |
| 13:02.55 | dbmoodb | doesn't os x have afs or something ? |
| 13:03.00 | Somni | there's not much reason to use Samba, then |
| 13:03.05 | joltcan | quik__: If you don't want any users, use security = share |
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| 13:03.49 | quik__ | hmm |
| 13:03.53 | abrotman | dbmoodb: that's totally different .. afs/dfs can be used at home if you want |
| 13:03.54 | dbmoodb | Somni: well ... are all the computers trusted ? .... samba is probably secure ... but in a different way to nfs. |
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| 13:04.17 | quik__ | "The volume movies could not be mounted" |
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| 13:06.38 | themill | Oh no! quik__'s pr0n movies can't be accessed! |
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| 13:08.25 | quik__ | heh, not quite, themill |
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| 13:08.35 | pozic | Oh, no! quik__ must be really really stupid then. |
| 13:09.16 | quik__ | pozic: quit your trolling, silly boy ;) |
| 13:09.50 | pozic | I guess quik__ is just some lazy, no-use Windows user that just want to play solitaire. |
| 13:09.56 | pozic | wants* |
| 13:10.14 | themill | pozic: Do you think that you could try to have some positive interactions on this channel? If not, then please either part or be silent. |
| 13:11.25 | pozic | themill: I was making a point. The point, I believe, has been well made. |
| 13:11.26 | quik__ | oh... thats what the *ignore feature is for. |
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| 13:11.59 | proc | howdy |
| 13:12.03 | proc | is flash broken? |
| 13:12.12 | proc | (flashplugin-nonfree) |
| 13:12.32 | kionez | Hi all, i've a stupid question.. is there a way to bypass the post-install start of a daemon? i would like to install, for example, lighttpd but i dont want to start it before i configure it (i.e.: in a chroot environment, creating a CompactFlash image) |
| 13:12.37 | themill | pozic: since you joined the channel an hour ago, you've had nothing constructive to say at all. |
| 13:12.50 | themill | proc: etch? lenny? |
| 13:13.02 | proc | whoops, sorry |
| 13:13.07 | proc | themill: sid |
| 13:13.30 | Somni | kionez: why don't you just stop it after you've installed it? |
| 13:13.32 | quik__ | abrotman: http://pastie.org/274066 I have this .. |
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| 13:13.54 | themill | proc: ahh.. not that I know of. In what way is it broken? |
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| 13:14.59 | proc | themill: it's installed but firefox shows that "click here to download plugin" panel |
| 13:15.07 | abrotman | quik__: and you did the smbpasswd bit ? |
| 13:15.12 | kionez | Somni: because it can't start, for example if i'm creating a CompactFlash image in a chroot environment and i have a web server running on the host machine, the lighttpd in chroot environment can't start |
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| 13:15.28 | pozic | themill: not repeating the sheepish thoughts that Samba is already heaven on Earth seems fairly constructive, but in other channels I helped a few people. It seems you are just waiting for an excuse to ban me. |
| 13:15.36 | kionez | Somni: and that can happen with other .deb that i want to install, i use lighttpd only for example |
| 13:15.41 | Somni | kionez: um, ok, so the daemon isn't started, you can manipulate it at will and get it working |
| 13:15.46 | quik__ | abrotman: yep |
| 13:16.02 | Somni | pozic: everyone is, apparently |
| 13:16.05 | abrotman | and if you comment out the security = share and restart samba? |
| 13:16.09 | themill | pozic: I'm looking for excuses, you seem to be providing them all on your own. Feel free to help though. |
| 13:16.10 | Somni | pozic: perhaps the problem isn't everyone else |
| 13:16.22 | themill | proc: firefox or iceweasel? (do they necessarily look in the same place for the plugins?) |
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| 13:16.51 | quik__ | pozic: you can keep bagging on me all you like. whatever makes you happy and allows you to look intelligent in front of your peers ;) |
| 13:16.51 | abrotman | proc: ls -l /etc/alternatives/flashmozilla.so (i think that's the filename) |
| 13:16.52 | Somni | iceweasel looks in the same places firefox uses |
| 13:16.56 | proc | themill: iceweasel, but it worked quite a long time with iceweasel - I think it's because I made some upgrade or so |
| 13:16.58 | blacksun_ | hello everybody who just like me must to use suse 11 in work |
| 13:17.04 | blacksun_ | debian RLZ |
| 13:17.04 | pozic | quik__: you are missing the point. |
| 13:17.05 | kionez | Somni: no, because i can't start it in chroot, i will start it when i put CompactFlash on the target machine.. but the package (lighttpd in this example) isn't installed correctly because post-install fails |
| 13:17.13 | quik__ | pozic: you had a point? |
| 13:17.21 | abrotman | pozic: please drop it |
| 13:17.28 | pozic | quik__: the point is that you, just a user, cannot make a share in 5 minutes. |
| 13:17.42 | pozic | quik__: that means the system is not supportive as much as it could. |
| 13:17.45 | tacit | How do I turn the DVD isos (well the packages contained in them) into an apt source to share over the network? |
| 13:17.50 | proc | abrotman: I have /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so as a link to /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so |
| 13:17.50 | themill | pozic: then please send patches |
| 13:17.59 | abrotman | proc: just making sure |
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| 13:18.28 | proc | should I try an older version of the package? |
| 13:18.34 | Somni | kionez: are you installing the package from scratch, or do you have existing configuration? |
| 13:18.40 | quik__ | pozic: this is true. its also a little obvious that you're having a failure to communicate with the group. now I get you though :) |
| 13:18.41 | quik__ | abrotman: same deal :| |
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| 13:19.16 | Somni | tacit: probably by mounting them and pointing one of the proxies or cachers at it |
| 13:19.36 | kionez | Somni: I install it using deboostrap and chroot, then i copy my configuration, and then i flash it on my compact flash. It fails with install. |
| 13:20.25 | abrotman | quik__: let me try it here |
| 13:20.45 | quik__ | abrotman: to confirm, I now have http://pastie.org/274066 and then I called "/etc/init.d/samba restart" |
| 13:21.08 | abrotman | quik__: from the debian box .. if you smbclient -L <hostname> .. does it show up ? |
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| 13:22.10 | pozic | quik__: no, the group does "group-think" which means they cannot form an opinion of their own. I tell the group something that clashes with their experience, and they backfire. Also, since you have proven my point so perfectly in that you are essentially helpless without #debian or that you need to call someone to help you, they don't want to say that I was right all the time, so they do the easiest thing, which is to kick/ban me. It's all human psycholog |
| 13:22.13 | quik__ | abrotman: just installing smbclient.. |
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| 13:22.26 | Somni | rolls his eyes |
| 13:22.32 | abrotman | quik__: your file (except i had the security = share) works on a lenny i386 samba (windows client though) |
| 13:22.58 | abrotman | pozic: really .. drop it already .. you're getting annoying |
| 13:23.19 | abrotman | pozic: either help people with problems or go away |
| 13:24.38 | kmeyer | hey what's the proper way to shut down a debian machine? |
| 13:24.39 | quik__ | abrotman: interesting. smbclient -L localhost lists the share |
| 13:24.46 | idimmu | kmeyer: psu off switch |
| 13:24.47 | quik__ | as does my mac no |
| 13:24.47 | quik__ | now* |
| 13:24.49 | Somni | kionez: and it can't start why, exactly? |
| 13:24.50 | idimmu | shutdown -h now |
| 13:24.51 | idimmu | ? |
| 13:24.59 | kmeyer | alright |
| 13:25.56 | abrotman | quik__: so it all works ? |
| 13:26.03 | abrotman | kmeyer: poweroff |
| 13:26.12 | kmeyer | what's molly-guard? |
| 13:26.25 | kionez | Somni: in this example, lighttpd can't start in chroot because on the main host there is another web service that owns port 80, but this is only an example.. i would like to install everything i need but *without* starting damons, i'm just preparing a compact flash image.. it useless that daemons starts in a chroot environment. |
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| 13:26.40 | quik__ | abrotman: no sure. adding a avahi service for bonjour/zeroconf to see if that helps |
| 13:26.59 | kmeyer | ugh :S |
| 13:27.03 | kmeyer | nuisance |
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| 13:30.18 | galataranator | Are any debian packages compiled with "-fstack-protector" by default? |
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| 13:31.07 | fl0w | Easiest to setup ftp daemon in your opinion would be..? I simply want to give a dude ftp access, only to his home directory. |
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| 13:31.33 | Somni | kionez: I'm not seeing a direct way to prevent it from attempting to start the daemon; it's not part of the postinst script, how are you installing the package? |
| 13:31.36 | quik__ | abrotman: so, bonjour seems to make this easier :) |
| 13:31.42 | abrotman | okay |
| 13:32.03 | galataranator | fl0w: checkout vsftp |
| 13:32.04 | quik__ | I just simply click the server and select the share now :) |
| 13:32.05 | quik__ | sweet |
| 13:32.10 | fl0w | galataranator: thank you! |
| 13:32.11 | abrotman | quik__: that's too hard |
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| 13:32.43 | galataranator | fl0w: yw, its easy and its secure ... good combination |
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| 13:33.16 | fl0w | yea, I need it as a temporary solution, and I'm a nix novice so I want something simple but secure _enough_ :) |
| 13:33.28 | PiousMinion1 | Anyone know how to resize encrypted, LVM, partitions? |
| 13:33.34 | fl0w | just did apt-get install :) editing /etc/vsftpd.conf |
| 13:33.40 | quik__ | there we go, all you need for a really basic samba config |
| 13:33.50 | galataranator | fl0w: its a really easy conf file |
| 13:34.09 | abrotman | quik__: seems easy enough .. but does it actually work? :) |
| 13:34.13 | kionez | Somni: apt-get install lighttpd, and if you see /var/lib/dpkg/info/lighttpd.postinst you find a invoke-rc.d or similar that starts daemon (and this is the same for mysql, apache and so on..) |
| 13:34.19 | quik__ | abrotman: yesir! :) |
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| 13:34.47 | abrotman | quik__: enjoy |
| 13:34.51 | quik__ | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:35.00 | abrotman | sorry it took longer than five minutes |
| 13:35.04 | abrotman | blames apple! |
| 13:35.15 | quik__ | ha |
| 13:35.26 | quik__ | I still want my afp :) |
| 13:35.35 | fl0w | abrotman: I FIND THAT OFFENSIVE! |
| 13:35.55 | gamla_kossan | hi guys.. I'm trying to extend a logical volume |
| 13:35.57 | quik__ | so who can tell me how I'd build an appletalk module? |
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| 13:36.25 | PiousMinion1 | apple is evil. |
| 13:36.35 | joltcan | or just use nfs |
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| 13:37.05 | quik__ | joltcan: nfs still isn't afp |
| 13:37.06 | abrotman | quik__: i'd guess you'd have to try to compile your own kernel. I'd guess there's a reason it didn't get included to begin with though |
| 13:37.06 | gamla_kossan | thing is, I want lvextend to allocate the most possible disk space |
| 13:37.24 | gamla_kossan | does anyone know what argument I should give to lvextend to do this? |
| 13:37.26 | quik__ | abrotman: I'm going to write to the maintainer for find out :) |
| 13:37.56 | joltcan | quik__: I didn't follow the discussion. However osx supports nfs as well as afp. And afp is harder to install on the linux box |
| 13:38.05 | Somni | kionez: hm, that file is generated, and I'm not going to install lighttpd to see what it is; can you paste it to p3m.org/pfn ? |
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| 13:39.07 | quik__ | joltcan: my arm dist doesn't have appletalk modules.. having troubles getting netatalk working |
| 13:39.24 | gamla_kossan | please good people! I am in haste! :D |
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| 13:39.46 | gamla_kossan | nah, just kidding.. but I'd really appreciate it; the manpages seem to neglect it.. |
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| 13:40.59 | kionez | Somni: http://p3m.org/pfn/2480 |
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| 13:43.29 | fl0w | if I create a user, how can I omit the ssh access for that user? |
| 13:43.33 | abrotman | quik__: there is a debian-kernel mailing list |
| 13:43.57 | galataranator | fl0w: the easiest way is in your "sshd.conf" or whatever |
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| 13:44.34 | olivr | change the /etc/users shell to somethng else . |
| 13:45.05 | galataranator | fl0w: add their name to the DenyUsers |
| 13:45.19 | Somni | kionez: I only see one of two convenient options; add a configuration file for lighttpd that prevents it from trying to bind port 80, or modify the package so it doesn't attempt to start the daemon |
| 13:45.26 | fl0w | heh, not be _that guy_, but galataranator, where? :) |
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| 13:45.38 | galataranator | fl0w: in "/etc/ssh/sshd_config" just ensure a line is present with DenyUsers and then the user name |
| 13:45.43 | jwtear89 | hi roommmmmm |
| 13:45.45 | fl0w | oh. |
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| 13:46.34 | kionez | Somni: the problem is in every daemon, not only lighttpd.. you can think about mysql, acpid or some like that, it woul be useful to have a --no-autostart parameter :) |
| 13:46.46 | Somni | kionez: it's also possible that update-rc.d settings will persist across installs |
| 13:47.02 | Somni | kionez: they can all be configured similarly, or the packages modified |
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| 13:48.00 | kionez | Somni: i've an idea, if i modify temoporarily invoke-rc.d with an "exit 0", it should works.. once terminated the image creation, i put it back to original... should work in your opinion? :) |
| 13:48.01 | Somni | you could also put a dummy in place of start-stop-daemon |
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| 13:49.45 | Somni | the ideal solution would be to have a dedicated testing box, onto which you install and configure what software you need, do what testing you need, then take a snapshot and burn that |
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| 13:50.03 | kionez | I'll try, thanks for attention... (i've just tryed with invoke-rc.d-dummy and lighttpd and it works...) |
| 13:50.42 | Somni | dpkg is not really intended to be a testing framework, or even really a dummy system builder |
| 13:50.42 | dpkg | Somni: You are moron #3 |
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| 13:51.50 | stew | kionez: zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz |
| 13:51.55 | mick_laptop | hi everyone -- i'm trying to do something like rsync (but i only have ftp access) -- is there a way to do something like rsync over ftp? |
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| 13:52.26 | mick_laptop | i've only used it with ssh in the past |
| 13:52.36 | stew | kionez: pbuilder/cowbuilder uses policy-rc.d which is probably best way to do what you did |
| 13:53.06 | kionez | stew: mh.. i read it, many thanx |
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| 13:53.51 | makoshark86 | i'm looking for a way to mount and unmount usb drives automatically when they are plugged/unplugged |
| 13:53.56 | makoshark86 | does anyone know of the best way to do this? |
| 13:54.49 | themill | mick_laptop: not easily. Google for a script called wwwsync.pl and then hack at it until it works for your ftp server. (it's designed for syncing shared hosting www docs, hence "wwwsync") |
| 13:55.09 | mick_laptop | makoshark86: autofs |
| 13:55.12 | mick_laptop | !autofs |
| 13:55.12 | dpkg | well, autofs is a kernel-based automounter for Linux, or silly to use 5 minutes as a default timeout for unmounting, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127, or a hackish p.o.s |
| 13:55.23 | makoshark86 | okay, thank you |
| 13:55.46 | themill | dpkg: tell makoshark86 about automount |
| 13:55.49 | jelly | mick_laptop: hm, how does autofs detect usb plugins? |
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| 13:56.19 | abrotman | udev magic! |
| 13:56.51 | jelly | mick_laptop: I've only seen it used as a replacement for Solaris' autofs, which does automagical mounting of network shares when their directory is accessed |
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| 13:57.06 | mick_laptop | hmm, a "hackish pos"... |
| 13:57.22 | mick_laptop | makoshark86: i guess look at automount :) |
| 13:57.41 | mick_laptop | i learned something tody :-P |
| 13:57.53 | mick_laptop | thanks themill -- i'll look into that |
| 13:58.19 | jelly | abrotman: is it right time for me to ramble about people giving advice about things they don't have hands-on experience with? |
| 13:58.36 | mick_laptop | don't make me smack you :) |
| 13:58.43 | themill | jelly: I used to use autofs for usb devices |
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| 13:59.04 | mick_laptop | i've used it -- i didn't know that it isn't "prefered" |
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| 14:00.57 | abrotman | jelly: i can do it! |
| 14:01.07 | wald0 | i can disable the Print key of my keboard ? |
| 14:01.50 | abrotman | with a custom keymap maybe |
| 14:01.50 | themill | wald0: grab a screwdriver |
| 14:01.56 | abrotman | jelly: you mean you never give advice on things you've not personally used? |
| 14:01.59 | wald0 | well, my real problem is my printer |
| 14:02.07 | wald0 | this key send a job everytime to the printer |
| 14:02.11 | wald0 | everytime i press the key |
| 14:02.15 | abrotman | that's not a printer problem |
| 14:02.16 | jelly | abrotman: that's the theoretical ideal, yes |
| 14:02.18 | mick_laptop | wald0: xmodmap |
| 14:02.24 | abrotman | jelly: seriously? |
| 14:02.32 | jelly | abrotman: except for "don't do drugs, mkay" |
| 14:02.35 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:02.38 | themill | wald0: is this on console or in X? |
| 14:02.50 | wald0 | mick_laptop: i have a hotkey set to this key... i can't just disable teh "printing" thing ? |
| 14:02.58 | wald0 | themill: in my terminal in X |
| 14:03.56 | mick_laptop | wald0: i've never seen that, if you figure it out -- /msg me and let me know how you turned it off (if you already remapped the key) |
| 14:04.20 | wald0 | mick_laptop: which terminal you use in X ? |
| 14:04.48 | mick_laptop | konsole |
| 14:04.50 | CalJohn_ | I own a laptop, and would like to stop pcspkr being loaded at boot. How do I do this? |
| 14:05.16 | mick_laptop | CalJohn_: there are a few ways, there is a kernel module you can blacklist |
| 14:05.45 | themill | wald0: for me, printscr takes a screen shot in kde (even in konsole) |
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| 14:06.24 | mick_laptop | !silence speaker |
| 14:06.25 | dpkg | hmm... silence speaker is man setterm for console, man xset for X, or add the line "set bell-style none" to the file /etc/inputrc |
| 14:06.41 | mick_laptop | CalJohn_: ^ |
| 14:06.43 | abrotman | !bell |
| 14:06.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell, or for .26 and newer modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module |
| 14:06.48 | abrotman | much better |
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| 14:07.36 | mick_laptop | why are there 2 infos? |
| 14:07.44 | abrotman | i just changed it |
| 14:07.46 | wald0 | ok... solved with urxvt options |
| 14:07.51 | mick_laptop | thanks |
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| 14:08.26 | mick_laptop | themill: still have wwwsync.pl? i can't find a copy anywhere |
| 14:08.26 | themill | wald0: in konsole, configure shortcuts -> print screen -> none |
| 14:08.36 | wald0 | themill: yeah.. i use urxvt |
| 14:09.02 | themill | wald0: ahh sorry, it was mick_laptop who was using konsole. my bad |
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| 14:09.35 | mick_laptop | themill: thanks for the info though |
| 14:09.40 | themill | heh |
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| 14:09.48 | themill | mick_laptop: http://rafb.net/p/0xU1oG23.html |
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| 14:10.23 | mick_laptop | thanks :) |
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| 14:10.58 | themill | mick_laptop: no worries. ymmv. I had to hack it around a lot for one particular ftp server that gave it stange responses that it didn't understand |
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| 14:12.03 | pave-low | hi all, can someone tell me why files and directories under my /var/www/ directory keep getting owned by a specific user?? |
| 14:12.08 | CalJohn_ | mick_laptop: I actually don't want to silence the speaker, I would like for the "pcspkr" module not to be loaded. |
| 14:12.26 | abrotman | !tell CalJohn_ about bell |
| 14:12.27 | CalJohn_ | mick_laptop: i'll ask dpkg about <blacklist> |
| 14:12.29 | abrotman | !tell CalJohn_ about blacklist |
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| 14:13.04 | CalJohn_ | abrotman: yeah, <blacklist> has a satisfactory answer, thanks |
| 14:13.27 | abrotman | you probably want the initramfs blacklist thing |
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| 14:14.55 | syntaxx | what is the filename of a user cronjob? im trying to migrate all user cronjob to one server to another |
| 14:15.29 | jelly | syntaxx: /var/spool/cron/crontabs/username |
| 14:15.41 | fl0w | I'm using this how-to to setup ftp daemon, http://linux.justinhartman.com/PureFTPd_Installation_and_Setup but when I start it, I can't connect. Firewall isn't an issue as it worked with another application. I don't get any errors or such when starting the daemon. Any ideas on what I should do to find this problem? |
| 14:15.44 | syntaxx | thanks jelly |
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| 14:17.39 | CalJohn_ | I am trying to install debian on a laptop with a dlink (dwl 650) wireless pcmcia card. Will the netinst cd get wireless to work out of the box? (I'm fairly sure that there are FOSS drivers for this card) |
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| 14:20.53 | mick_laptop | themill: thanks a lot |
| 14:21.03 | mick_laptop | this seems to be perfect (i hope it works) |
| 14:21.05 | mick_laptop | :D |
| 14:21.24 | themill | mick_laptop: good luck with that |
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| 14:25.11 | mrcheeks | Hi guys I forgot how to use the dpkg force remove command line option |
| 14:25.17 | abrotman | man dpkg? |
| 14:25.23 | abrotman | and you shouldn't be forcing things |
| 14:26.10 | mrcheeks | I know I had a database corruption with mysql |
| 14:26.15 | pave-low | themill: my setup is such: for every site i want under /var/www/ i create a user ie user1, user2 etc. I unpack joomla, chown the directory to user1 and a week later when i go to install something, i see that instead of the directory and files beeing owned by site1, they've changed to user2 |
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| 14:27.19 | makoshark86 | how do i make a mount point unwritable if the device is not mounted? |
| 14:27.44 | makoshark86 | ie, i have /data, and i only want to write to the device mounted there. if it is not mounted, i do not want to write to the root filesystem |
| 14:28.01 | jelly | makoshark86: unwritable by normal users? use unix permissions. |
| 14:28.13 | makoshark86 | but i want them to be able to write to it when it is mounted |
| 14:28.45 | jelly | makoshark86: that's ok, mounting will place the mounted fs root at that place |
| 14:28.54 | Somni | when it's mounted the permissions and ownership are governed by mount options and the filesystem itself, not the mount point |
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| 14:29.04 | makoshark86 | oh, okay |
| 14:29.10 | Somni | in other words, TIAS |
| 14:29.21 | makoshark86 | that's easy then |
| 14:29.21 | jelly | makoshark86: in other words, umount, chmod ugo-w, mount again |
| 14:29.26 | makoshark86 | thanks |
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| 14:30.36 | jim_p_lunch | hi |
| 14:31.45 | jim_p | can a user change HIS OWN password using passwd? I thought that only root has the priviledge to change passwords! |
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| 14:32.28 | gionn | jim_p, why the hell a user should not change his own password? |
| 14:32.37 | makoshark86 | jelly, i found a problem. my program needs to run as root, to be able to mount and unmount the device. so i can't block it from writing to the mount point. |
| 14:32.42 | gionn | he should do it every month to keep it secure. |
| 14:32.50 | pave-low | jim_p: root has the priviledge of changing any passwd, a user can change his own |
| 14:33.01 | jim_p | gionn: lets say because he told it to someone else |
| 14:33.27 | mick_laptop | is there a way to get a tree view of a directory (like "pstree" but for ls) :) -- i've seen this before (it might even be some set of arguments to ls -- but the manpage wasn't specific to a "tree iew") |
| 14:33.36 | jim_p | so a user CAN change his own!! like "passwd jim" will prompt me for a new pass!??!? |
| 14:34.03 | gionn | yep jim_p, but i don't understood why are you so surprise |
| 14:34.11 | jim_p | is there a way to prevent it? |
| 14:34.13 | mick_laptop | jim_p: lol - yes a user can change *their own* password |
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| 14:34.34 | gionn | chmod 700 root:root /bin/passwd? |
| 14:34.36 | mick_laptop | jim_p: why does it matter? |
| 14:34.45 | jim_p | gionn: i thought that root has to be aware of password changes! |
| 14:34.46 | jelly | makoshark86: I don't know how setting the immutable bit affects a directory... but for a file, it prevents even root from changing it |
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| 14:35.05 | makoshark86 | what is the immutable bit/how do you set it? |
| 14:35.10 | jelly | makoshark86: man chattr |
| 14:35.11 | gionn | jim_p, root should NOT knows about own users password |
| 14:35.17 | makoshark86 | ty |
| 14:35.20 | ProN0ob | omg can i somehow show all packages installed in the last few minutes ? |
| 14:35.31 | jim_p | anyway, thanks. jim 0 - rootless passwd 1 |
| 14:35.39 | stew | ProN0ob: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 14:35.42 | ProN0ob | i tried to isntall gnome and while getting deps the disk got full |
| 14:35.55 | mick_laptop | ouch :-/ |
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| 14:36.27 | jim_p | mick_laptop: clean the cache , sudo apt-get autoclean |
| 14:36.33 | jim_p | to make room |
| 14:36.37 | jelly | makoshark86: seems to work, after chattr +i foo, touch: cannot touch `foo/blah': Permission denied |
| 14:36.50 | makoshark86 | nice, thanks a lot |
| 14:38.27 | makoshark86 | that's perfect. |
| 14:39.35 | ProN0ob | omg i can't type all those packages in by hand |
| 14:39.41 | ProN0ob | is there no easyer solution ? |
| 14:39.49 | stew | ProN0ob: what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:40.13 | ProN0ob | i tried to install gnome and disk ran full, now i am trying to get rid of all the junk |
| 14:40.23 | stew | ProN0ob: what junk? |
| 14:40.31 | jthomas | I've installed the drivers for my webcam (gspca) and added to /etc/modules and its loaded with lsmod, but I cannot get Kopete to see it and there is no /dev/video0 device, what can I do? (Lenny, 2.6.26-1) |
| 14:40.34 | ProN0ob | the dependencys of gnome that already got installed |
| 14:40.41 | stew | ProN0ob: what packages would you have to type by hand? |
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| 14:40.43 | jim_p | ProN0ob: clean the cache , sudo apt-get autoclean |
| 14:40.51 | ProN0ob | how do i clean the cache |
| 14:40.57 | ProN0ob | autoclean did something, but not much |
| 14:41.00 | stew | ProN0ob: what is your acutal goal? to install gnome or do you no longer want to install gnome? |
| 14:41.15 | ProN0ob | stew, first b, then a |
| 14:41.29 | stew | ProN0ob: what is b? |
| 14:41.40 | stew | ProN0ob: if you want to install gnome, "aptitude install gnome" |
| 14:41.50 | jim_p | ProN0ob: sudo apt-get autoclean |
| 14:42.05 | ProN0ob | first i want to get rid of this stuff so i have some diskspace so file operations don't fail anymore |
| 14:42.17 | ProN0ob | in this state i don't even know if the server will reboot |
| 14:42.28 | ProN0ob | jim_p, already did that |
| 14:42.34 | ProN0ob | jim_p, it didn't do much |
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| 14:43.44 | ProN0ob | stew, aptitude install gnome will do shit since the disk is full |
| 14:43.45 | stew | ProN0ob: server? why do you want gnome on a server? |
| 14:43.56 | stew | ProN0ob: yeah, you need to make space on the disk first |
| 14:44.14 | ProN0ob | stew, there are various remote x solutions such as nomachine or x11vnc |
| 14:44.27 | ProN0ob | stew, how ? |
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| 14:44.37 | stew | ProN0ob: by removing unneeded files |
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| 14:44.53 | ProN0ob | like how do i remove the mass of gnome dependencys apt get has already pulled and partly configured |
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| 14:45.06 | pave-low | bye all |
| 14:45.07 | jim_p | ProN0ob: why dont you just install a minimalistic de like openbox or fluxbox since its a server |
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| 14:45.33 | ProN0ob | jim_p, dude whatever; right now the problem i have is that i need to free some space |
| 14:45.39 | ProN0ob | jim_p, like to do anything at all |
| 14:45.58 | jim_p | whare is all that space wasted? |
| 14:45.59 | stew | ProN0ob: "/msg dpkg remove gnome" but if you want to install gnome, there is no reason to remove it. "apt-get clean" will remove more stuff than "autoclean" but i'd look for other stuff to remove or make /var bigger. |
| 14:46.46 | stew | ProN0ob: you might check to make sure /var/log is all being rotated correctly. look for other files in /var/cache that could go (you can safely remove any file in /var/cache but don't remove directories) |
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| 14:48.38 | ProN0ob | apt-get clean helped some |
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| 14:49.35 | stew | ProN0ob: this was all assuming that /var was a separate partition, if not, you should have lots of places you could look for uneeded files |
| 14:49.54 | ProN0ob | i just need to get rid of those gnome dependencys |
| 14:50.24 | stew | ProN0ob: why do you want to get rid of gnome if your goal is to install gnome? |
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| 14:50.51 | meeero | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.22 | ProN0ob | to free enough space so the server isn't spewing out no space errors anymore, stew |
| 14:51.47 | stew | ProN0ob: well, since gnome is something that you clearly want, why not look for something that you don't want |
| 14:51.48 | rvsjoen | or just foo &>/dev/null |
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| 14:52.07 | meeero | but why does this address the error-messages? |
| 14:52.26 | rvsjoen | &> redirects both stderr and stdout |
| 14:52.38 | meeero | oh, okay, thanks |
| 14:52.52 | rvsjoen | 2> is only errors (stderr) |
| 14:53.11 | stew | that is a bashism though, if it is in a script, make sure the script uses #!/bin/bash instead of #!/bin/sh if you are going to use &> |
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| 14:54.28 | meeero | it *is* a bashscript, foo.sh, uses #!/bin/sh |
| 14:54.36 | aliases123 | hi ah ... all the debian servers have corrupt lenny installation information. W: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-armel/Packages.gz was corrupt |
| 14:55.20 | aliases123 | is this a known problem ? |
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| 14:55.37 | jMCg | meeero: on some systems /bin/sh defaults to being sh compatible (i.e.: suck) |
| 14:55.38 | stew | meeero: if says #!/bin/sh then either change it to #!/bin/bash or don't use &>, use your original >/dev/null 2>&1 |
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| 14:56.46 | meeero | okay, thanks a lot |
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| 14:58.26 | nicktastic | Is testing built with DEB_BUILD_HARDENING=1? |
| 14:59.00 | aliases123 | this error is only occuring on an arm arch device on my desktop (x86) it works perfectly. |
| 15:00.09 | screamingbytes | question, I did 'sudo apt-get --purge remove exim4', deb removed I believe 1 binary file, but left about 12 other binary's, all /etc/exim4 files intact etc... |
| 15:00.23 | screamingbytes | im trying to switch to postfix, why did it not uninstall? |
| 15:00.25 | wols_ | screamingbytes: dpkg -l |grep exim |
| 15:00.50 | wols_ | do not uninstall. install postfix instead. it will remove exim4 |
| 15:01.01 | wols_ | if there are leftovers, _then_ you can purge them |
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| 15:01.12 | rysiek|pl | hi guys |
| 15:01.15 | screamingbytes | aye, kk wols_ ty |
| 15:01.23 | aliases123 | wols_: any reason to use postfix over exim4 ? |
| 15:01.35 | screamingbytes | coke pepsi aliases123 |
| 15:01.39 | wols_ | yes, postfix is goodness without compare |
| 15:01.49 | screamingbytes | I prefer it |
| 15:01.58 | rysiek|pl | I am having a hard time making racoon digest the fact that there is a need for NAT-traversal AND that the UDP port that it should knock to is NOT udp 4500, but udp 20010 |
| 15:02.01 | screamingbytes | wols_ it is more secure as well isn't it? |
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| 15:02.27 | aliases123 | then why is exim4 installed by default ... what is the reason behind that ? |
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| 15:02.51 | rysiek|pl | I have search google through and found naugh - besides how to tel racoon at which port it should *listen* |
| 15:02.51 | rchi | hmm |
| 15:03.08 | rysiek|pl | which is OK, but I need to tell the other instancve on which to find the first one ;) |
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| 15:04.18 | karmatronic | rysiek|pl: use openswan ,it rocks ! |
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| 15:04.43 | rysiek|pl | oh? |
| 15:04.56 | rysiek|pl | hmm, that might be an idea |
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| 15:05.08 | karmatronic | rysiek|pl:openswan is an other ipsec implementation,and much simpler to set up |
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| 15:05.33 | rysiek|pl | karmatronic: but... I have invested a lot time and effort in racoon by now, so I ned to be *sure*openswan is able to perform NAT-traversal on a given port |
| 15:05.39 | rysiek|pl | rather than the default 4500 |
| 15:05.48 | rysiek|pl | karmatronic: do you know if it does? |
| 15:06.01 | karmatronic | rysiek|pl: hum,let me check,i use it with port 4500 for NAT-T |
| 15:06.32 | rysiek|pl | prefers ssh tunnels anyway, but whatcha gonna do, teh boss wants ipsec |
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| 15:08.44 | karmatronic | rysiek|pl: yeah,but VPN are more stable,as they can relaunch automatically if they fall down |
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| 15:08.58 | karmatronic | rysiek|pl: which is a pain in the ass to configure with ssh tunnels |
| 15:09.09 | rysiek|pl | point taken |
| 15:09.18 | karmatronic | rysiek|pl: and also ,setting an ssh tunnel requires an effort from the client |
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| 15:09.43 | rysiek|pl | karmatronic: in our case, /me is the client" side |
| 15:09.48 | rysiek|pl | *"client" |
| 15:09.54 | karmatronic | rysiek|pl: if you have 2 sites,users on both sites need not learning ssh (or ipsec) to connect to machines on the other side |
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| 15:10.49 | karmatronic | rysiek|pl: anyway,seems like openswan doesnt allow a different port than 4500 for NAT-T |
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| 15:10.59 | karmatronic | rysiek|pl: at least the man doesnt say so |
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| 15:11.09 | rysiek|pl | darn |
| 15:11.41 | karmatronic | rysiek|pl: cant you simply use iptables to redirect traffic to 4500 port ? |
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| 15:12.11 | rysiek|pl | karmatronic: it's the other way around. all I have available is 20010/udp |
| 15:12.31 | rysiek|pl | karmatronic: that's the only port I can have world-visible |
| 15:12.41 | karmatronic | rysiek|pl: ok |
| 15:13.19 | rysiek|pl | karmatronic: of course I can redirect 20010 -> 4500; whatismore, I can make racoon run on 20010. I just can't make racoon connect TO 20010 on the other side ;) |
| 15:14.04 | tacit | I'm trying to turn the DVD isos on disk into an apt source (finally intended for installs over network). This host is a distribution different from debian. I run "dpkg-scanpackages mnt /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz" and now have the packages list from the whole loop mounted structure. How do I create the rest of the apt repository metadata? |
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| 15:15.43 | hejux | hi |
| 15:15.46 | hejux | every one |
| 15:15.53 | hejux | i am using a miranda IM |
| 15:15.57 | hejux | it's really nice |
| 15:16.21 | stew | aliases123: exim is the default because at the time when debian made exim the default, postfix wasn't yet packaged for debian |
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| 15:16.44 | stew | tacit: man apt-cdrom |
| 15:16.52 | adnc | hello, does someone know if i can get coredumps on virtualized servers? |
| 15:16.55 | tacit | goes reading |
| 15:16.57 | stew | tacit: they should be usable as-is |
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| 15:17.09 | aliases123 | stew: and for lenny what is the default ? |
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| 15:17.16 | stew | aliases123: exim4 |
| 15:17.37 | tacit | stew: From floppies or when booted from install initrd/kernel? |
| 15:17.48 | aliases123 | why is this... ? has there been no policy decisions made on it or ... |
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| 15:18.33 | stew | aliases123: why? becuase at the time when debian switched to exim, postfix hadn't yet been packaged, and exim was the best alternative. there has been no good reason to switch since then. this has nothing to do with policy |
| 15:18.57 | aliases123 | ok. just was thinking about security.... both are pretty good now i guess right ? |
| 15:19.09 | stew | aliases123: yes, they are both good |
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| 15:19.41 | stew | tacit: floppies? i don't know what you mean. there is no reason to run dpkg-scanpackages, if you have an iso, you can use it as a apt source. apt-cdrom is a tool to help setup sources.list to do this |
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| 15:20.51 | tacit | stew: I'm trying to build an apt server for the network, serving the packages from the ISOs on disk. |
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| 15:21.43 | tacit | Hmm I guess I could just use the debs and move them into "pool" and rsync a mirror. |
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| 15:22.16 | rysiek|pl | d'oh |
| 15:22.19 | zxxd | how many issues left in testing? |
| 15:22.41 | fl0w | anyone have a clue how I can setup so that vsftpd treat symbolic directories as regular directories that I can dir into? |
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| 15:24.09 | rysiek|pl | karmatronic: would you believe that the "upstream admins" at the place I work (these are also the reason that I can't have 4500/udp open...) have configured the network in such a way, that if you want to connect to MY_SERVER it's IP_A, and when MY_SERVER connects to you, you see packets from IP_B? |
| 15:24.11 | stew | zxxd: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical "Number concerning the next release" |
| 15:24.13 | DziQs | fl0w : stupid question : do you chroot users into their homedir ? |
| 15:24.29 | fl0w | DziQs: yea |
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| 15:24.53 | fl0w | I guess I have to do it the other way around, hm, one sec. |
| 15:25.13 | DziQs | fl0w : priv pls |
| 15:25.38 | stew | tacit: perhaps "/msg dpkg repository" would help? |
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| 15:26.29 | tacit | stew: ah..input... thanks. |
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| 15:29.05 | Axz | guys how to set timezone on debian suing terminal? |
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| 15:29.32 | Axz | because i get Timezone offsets: Server: 0 seconds. Local: 7200 seconds. Difference: 7200 seconds. on my ftp |
| 15:29.33 | aliases123 | tzdata ? |
| 15:29.40 | aliases123 | tzselect* |
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| 15:30.19 | stew | Axz: tzconfig on stable. 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' on testing |
| 15:30.41 | Axz | thans will try that out |
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| 15:33.18 | Axz | sorry stew does it need to be installed? |
| 15:33.48 | Axz | nvm |
| 15:33.54 | Axz | dind logon as su |
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| 15:46.14 | vlt | Hello. I want to connect a Debian Etch box via UMTS (vodafone Germany). I can choose between several devices: Novatel MC950D, Huawei E172, E169 or E620, Novatel U740, Option GTII ... Where can I find info about what device is supported by Debian/the kernel? |
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| 15:46.59 | esteel | vlt: i used two vodafone umts devices so far.. both successfully |
| 15:47.03 | petemc | the huawei things can generally be made to work |
| 15:48.13 | esteel | vlt: the one i use right now is the geo201.. i'm not sure aobut the ones you mentioned but i think they should work too |
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| 15:48.50 | aliases123 | vlt: there are external units available as well (useful if its not a laptop / mobile) |
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| 15:50.52 | vlt | I forgot to mention: I use the Debian box as router w/o Xorg installed. Is this a problem with some devices? |
| 15:51.48 | esteel | vlt: i used gnome-ppp for umts.. which in turn uses wvdial. So i guess no :) |
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| 15:53.13 | vlt | esteel: Ok, thank you. |
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| 15:55.03 | kinematics | Hi. Which number of Debian is Lenny? 4.0_r4a? |
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| 15:55.49 | abrotman | kinematics: lenny will be 5.0 |
| 15:56.20 | kinematics | and now - it is testing? |
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| 15:56.49 | aliases123 | with over 290 rc bugs :) |
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| 15:57.37 | kinematics | so if I would download 4.0_r4a it will become 5.0 some time? |
| 15:57.52 | aliases123 | its getting pretty good. btw how long did it take etch to remove the last 300 rc bugs btw ? anyone know |
| 15:59.23 | Octalot | there's a lot of RC bugs that are waiting for their fixes to migrate from unstable to testing, so I think most of those 300 are shut. But they're currently opening fast too. |
| 15:59.25 | themill | kinematics: you will be able to upgrade in the future. Detailed instructions will be provided, but debian works very hard to remain upgradable. |
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| 16:01.09 | kinematics | themill: ok, thanks |
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| 16:05.02 | Ced2 | hi. I have a big amount of data, I wish to know what is the better block size for store that that (performance and file size issues), is there any tool to help me? or at least one that shows the file sizes grouped by "blockage" as 4k 8k 16k 32k 512k, based on that I can discover the optimum block size |
| 16:07.06 | n-iCe | hi! |
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| 16:18.08 | jelly | Ced2: how large are your files? how many of them? which filesystem are you planning to use? |
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| 16:21.31 | adnc | when i say apt-cache policy will it list all avaialable packages including in sources.list listed backports packages? |
| 16:22.40 | jair | guys, I have an external drive "Lacie" usb drive and I am trying to check if it is damage. I am trying to use smartmontools to see if I can just throw it in the garbage, when I run fdisk -l I see the hard drive as: "/dev/sdb" |
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| 16:23.24 | stew | adnc: yes, all available sources |
| 16:23.28 | LemensTS | Is there a way to sync a windows mobile phone wirelessly to a linux email server? |
| 16:23.33 | n-iCe | How can I know if i am using ieee802 or mac802 driver |
| 16:24.34 | adnc | stew: i'm getting a notice] child pid 28886 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) , when i call a php website that is working on other machines |
| 16:24.56 | adnc | thats why i thought upgrading apache |
| 16:25.38 | cahoot | n-iCe: if /sys/class/net/wmaster0 exists I'd say mac... |
| 16:26.36 | dark_templar_86 | do sb know |
| 16:26.46 | dark_templar_86 | why xine cant open |
| 16:27.10 | dark_templar_86 | some wmv/asf/mpg |
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| 16:27.19 | dark_templar_86 | but not always |
| 16:27.42 | dark_templar_86 | it happens frequently |
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| 16:28.52 | simonrvn | !tell dark_templar_86 -about enter |
| 16:29.29 | dark_templar_86 | sorry |
| 16:30.07 | simonrvn | also would be helpful if you described the problem more fully. we're not there, and we're not mind readers ;). |
| 16:30.59 | dark_templar_86 | some of my asf/mpg/wmv files cannot be opened by xine, but with other asf/m.. there is no problem |
| 16:31.09 | jair | is there a tool on GNU/Linux that can try to repair the badblocks? |
| 16:32.25 | dark_templar_86 | the 'problem' files can be played with mplayer |
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| 16:33.31 | dark_templar_86 | but xine crashes with no reason |
| 16:35.44 | dark_templar_86 | i use xine 0.99.5cvs and have installed mplayer codecs (in /usr/lib/codecs) |
| 16:36.01 | Theoden | http://sp8.fotologs.net/photo/40/50/114/choylifat/1221668250890_f.jpg |
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| 16:37.18 | JPT | xD |
| 16:37.49 | JPT | that application should be included in a basic package.. |
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| 16:38.53 | Theoden | :) |
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| 16:45.33 | kibibyte | hi |
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| 16:46.50 | grendelson | I have a custom kernel 2.6.27 based onthe confg from my working stock 2.6.26 kernel. When I try to access any cdrom deivce under the new kernel the command line hangs I cannot kill the task in another console... I think it may be ata_piix - How do I gmake sure that ide_generic mosule loads FIRST at boot before ata_piix in debian? |
| 16:50.04 | mbroeker | grendelson, if it really depends on that, rebuild your kernel with a <*> Generic IDE Support... |
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| 16:51.06 | grendelson | mbroeker, I don't knwo this for sure but I did see a lot of notes online about d-i failing since ata_piix took over cdrom. I'm just assuming this MAY be the case here as well.... |
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| 16:52.01 | mbroeker | grendelson, no problem: your kernel, your package: you are the maintainer. Make your choices :) |
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| 16:58.59 | DarWin | pardon me if i'm interrupting something, but I was curious if anyone knew what custom config needed to be done to get alsa working on an Inspiron 8000 (using maestro3 card) on the latest testing version. i've been googling for a few days and can't seem to find anything useful. alsaconf fails when it tries to modprobe the module after reconfiguring alsa settings when it goes to test the sound output |
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| 17:02.35 | cahoot | DarWin: what gives if you run speaker-test -t wav in a terminal? |
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| 17:05.27 | DarWin | cahoot, thanks for the help. The jist of the error message is "cannot find card '0'" and "function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such file or directory". this is after i ran alsaconf and it failed the modprobe, so i might reboot quick and see what error message i get on a clean boot up |
| 17:05.44 | cahoot | DarWin: wait |
| 17:05.59 | DarWin | ok |
| 17:06.00 | cahoot | DarWin: try modprobe smd-maestro3 - error? |
| 17:06.07 | cahoot | err snd-maestro3 |
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| 17:08.39 | cahoot | DarWin: could this bug report apply to your situation? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=465161 |
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| 17:10.32 | DarWin | the modprobe doesn't give any errors |
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| 17:11.07 | DarWin | i'm looking at the bug report now to see if it is similar |
| 17:11.07 | cahoot | DarWin: what doeas cat /proc/asound/version return? |
| 17:12.17 | DarWin | v1.0.16 |
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| 17:12.43 | cahoot | DarWin: that should be correct version according to the bug report |
| 17:12.51 | DarWin | yeah |
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| 17:13.06 | cahoot | DarWin: speaker-test still fails? |
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| 17:14.04 | DarWin | cahoot, correct. still no success on the test |
| 17:14.12 | cahoot | error? |
| 17:14.29 | DarWin | same as before, "cannot find card '0'" |
| 17:14.43 | cahoot | DarWin: cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 17:15.47 | DarWin | cahoot: it lists one (pcsp at port 0x61, internal PC speaker) |
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| 17:17.15 | cahoot | DarWin: not much use |
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| 17:17.37 | alleyoopster | hi all, i have Wireless 3945ABG using iwl3945 with lenny. iwconfig shows Not-Associated. I have installed firmware, is there anything else i need to do? thanks |
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| 17:18.37 | n-iCe | alleyoopster: yes |
| 17:18.55 | DarWin | cahoot: what do you mean? that's all the info it gave |
| 17:18.56 | n-iCe | alleyoopster: apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 17:18.58 | cahoot | DarWin: modprobe -r snd-maestro3 then modprobe it agian and see if dmesg reveals anything |
| 17:19.25 | alleyoopster | n-iCe : ok I did that, anything else |
| 17:19.28 | cahoot | DarWin: pcsp is not of much use |
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| 17:19.51 | DarWin | cahoot, i would agree, unless you like beeps |
| 17:20.01 | n-iCe | alleyoopster: nano /etc/modules |
| 17:20.11 | n-iCe | and add, iwl3945 , at the bottiom |
| 17:20.24 | n-iCe | then alleyoopster, modprobe iwl3945 |
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| 17:20.33 | n-iCe | you always can install apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 17:20.40 | n-iCe | and do iwconfig again |
| 17:21.44 | eth01 | wireless and linux = disaster |
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| 17:22.01 | n-iCe | nah, iwl3945 works awesome |
| 17:22.06 | n-iCe | I use it |
| 17:22.16 | alleyoopster | n-iCe: ok thanks - also get "iwl3945: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch" cant seem to shake it |
| 17:22.21 | eth01 | and because you "use it" it's all of a sudden "awesome" |
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| 17:22.35 | n-iCe | alleyoopster: do you have any wireless switch on? |
| 17:22.40 | DarWin | cahoot: it looks like dmesg is returning a line as follows: "Maestro3: probe of 0000:02:03.0 failed with error -2" |
| 17:22.45 | stew | no, because it fixed so many problems with ipw3945 it is awesome |
| 17:22.54 | n-iCe | $true |
| 17:23.06 | alleyoopster | n-iCe: its a push btn and light just blinks once when i touch it |
| 17:23.17 | cahoot | DarWin: not encouraging |
| 17:23.25 | n-iCe | alleyoopster: so it is on |
| 17:23.46 | DarWin | cahoot: the line right before that states: "ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:03:03.0 disabled" |
| 17:23.52 | alleyoopster | n-iCe: had it working with other distros but lenny and new driver not playing |
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| 17:24.18 | n-iCe | alleyoopster: works fine, what kernel do you use? |
| 17:24.20 | DarWin | cahoot, could it be apci messing things up? i've had issues with apci on this laptop with other distros |
| 17:24.20 | n-iCe | alleyoopster: lsmod | grep 3945 |
| 17:24.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | eth01, it normally needs *some* work - and sometimes a lot... disaster is perhaps going a bit too far |
| 17:24.58 | alleyoopster | n-iCe: no not on, flickers on, kernel working it was working on was 19 fedora and dare i say ubuntu |
| 17:25.18 | n-iCe | alleyoopster: what kernel are you using? |
| 17:25.30 | n-iCe | did lsmod | grep 3945 show you up something? |
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| 17:27.15 | alleyoopster | n-iCe kernel is 2.6.26, lsmod iwl3945 firmware_class mac80211 led_class cfg80211 |
| 17:27.29 | n-iCe | reboot your computer |
| 17:27.42 | alleyoopster | n-iCe ok brb |
| 17:27.47 | n-iCe | go go go! |
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| 17:32.01 | fisxoj | so... my root partition seems to not be big enough... I doubt there's a simple way of fixing that, but, can someone help me? |
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| 17:32.15 | n-iCe | alleyoopster: worked? |
| 17:32.17 | abrotman | do you have room somewhere else? |
| 17:32.21 | abrotman | did you use lvm? |
| 17:32.23 | alleyoopster | n-iCe: no |
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| 17:32.28 | xsamurai | using sudo, how do I grant a user all rights in a directory |
| 17:32.28 | abrotman | what is on your root partition?\ |
| 17:32.29 | xsamurai | ? |
| 17:32.33 | n-iCe | alleyoopster: o.O |
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| 17:32.45 | n-iCe | alleyoopster: use, under toor: iwlist scan |
| 17:32.51 | fisxoj | yessah, I have room elsewhere, I have a / partition and a /home partition, there's lots of room on /home |
| 17:32.55 | abrotman | alleyoopster: check dmesg .. make sure it's loading the firmware |
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| 17:33.44 | alleyoopster | n-iCe: wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 17:34.32 | alleyoopster | n-iCe dmesg shows - iwl3945: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch |
| 17:34.39 | DarWin | xsamurai: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod |
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| 17:35.04 | DarWin | xsamurai: or on a command line try man chmod |
| 17:35.11 | n-iCe | alleyoopster: ifup wlan0 |
| 17:35.29 | xsamurai | DarWin: how does sudo turn into a chmod question ? |
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| 17:36.05 | alleyoopster | n-iCe send_packet: Network is down |
| 17:36.16 | abrotman | alleyoopster: what does your wifi switch show? |
| 17:36.24 | DarWin | xsamurai, i guess your question is unclear. you asked how to grant rights |
| 17:36.26 | stew | alleyoopster: switch the hardware kill switch |
| 17:36.28 | alleyoopster | abrotman: no light |
| 17:36.32 | abrotman | DarWin: using sudo |
| 17:36.43 | alleyoopster | stew: no difference |
| 17:36.43 | abrotman | alleyoopster: if you hit the button ..what happens ? |
| 17:36.54 | stew | alleyoopster: what make/model laptop? |
| 17:37.00 | n-iCe | alleyoopster: cat /var/log/messages | grep -e switch |
| 17:37.05 | alleyoopster | abrotman: packard bell easynote |
| 17:37.42 | f4jl32q | Hello I have some rar files which I cant extract. unrar-free doesn't report any error information, just "failed". And this is the output from file() |
| 17:37.46 | f4jl32q | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.47 | alleyoopster | Kill switch must be turned off for wireless networking to work AND iwl3945: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch |
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| 17:37.52 | f4jl32q | any ideas? |
| 17:37.56 | n-iCe | alleyoopster: By any chance, did you nudge the switch that turns your wireless on and off? |
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| 17:38.46 | alleyoopster | n-iCe: I tried leaving it alone and tried hitting it hard and softly, not used a hammer yet |
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| 17:39.23 | n-iCe | there must be the problem |
| 17:39.42 | alleyoopster | I can tell you that it works with kernel 2.6.19 on ubuntu |
| 17:40.01 | n-iCe | I can tel you works with your kernel in Debian, I use it. |
| 17:40.03 | n-iCe | lsmod | grep 3945 |
| 17:40.13 | xsamurai | abrotman: would you have any idea ? |
| 17:40.19 | alleyoopster | fetches hammer |
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| 17:40.31 | enzo | hi |
| 17:40.52 | peter_12 | It seems that packages contain man pages already gzipped. After installation, do man pages gunzip every time they are read? |
| 17:40.54 | enzo | i have a server with backuppc running, with a dvd writer, how can i burn a dvd on the console ? |
| 17:41.08 | stew | peter_12: yes |
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| 17:41.16 | f4jl32q | Is unrar-free not a complete replacement for unrar ? |
| 17:41.18 | peter_12 | stew: thanks and wow |
| 17:41.26 | alleyoopster | n-iCe lsmod looks the same |
| 17:41.31 | stew | f4jl32q: correct. it is not complete |
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| 17:42.48 | abrotman | xsamurai: i'd imagine the sudo man page covers this .. but i can't say off the top of my head |
| 17:43.07 | abrotman | alleyoopster: i think it's more a problem with your HW wifi switch than the driver |
| 17:43.35 | n-iCe | alleyoopster: switch problem |
| 17:43.38 | n-iCe | use the hammer |
| 17:43.49 | alleyoopster | abrotman: have you any idea how the other distro may work with this |
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| 17:45.11 | abrotman | alleyoopster: i wonder if allowing the interface to be hotpluggable would help |
| 17:45.22 | abrotman | alleyoopster: are you using network-manager or just the interfaces file ? |
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| 17:46.12 | alleyoopster | abrotman: nm was running but was trying to bring it up manually, have not configured interfaces yet, new install |
| 17:46.17 | abrotman | something like 'allow-hotplug wlan0` |
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| 17:46.33 | abrotman | i don't use network-manager myself |
| 17:46.48 | abrotman | and if you hit the button .. it just blinks ? |
| 17:47.00 | alleyoopster | yes just blinks |
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| 17:48.15 | whatsgood | hello. what is the command to wipe a drive in linux, besides dd /dev/urandom. there is a command that where you can specifiy the number of passes |
| 17:48.24 | abrotman | !tell whatsgood about dban |
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| 17:48.31 | abrotman | alleyoopster: can you set it to always on in the bios ? |
| 17:48.37 | abrotman | or default on ? |
| 17:49.02 | alleyoopster | abrotman : no I wish I could, there is no other controls on this machine |
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| 17:50.59 | alleyoopster | abrotman: if it worked in latest fedora and in ubuntu i am guessing it must be a config poblem rather than driver issue |
| 17:51.16 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 17:51.16 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <laptop mode>. |
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| 17:52.50 | alleyoopster | thanks for you time today guys |
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| 17:54.26 | whatsgood | ahh yes shred is the command |
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| 17:57.02 | fnmueller | hi, I am looking for a program like scpm (on openSUSE) for debian. I found http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/312 , but that does not seem to do a comparable job. |
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| 17:58.50 | n3kl | what the hell is scpm? |
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| 17:59.57 | n-iCe | !scpm |
| 18:00.08 | n3kl | Ha! |
| 18:00.10 | abrotman | fnmueller: which does what? |
| 18:00.35 | EmleyMoor | SuSe Configuration Profile Manager (!) |
| 18:00.52 | EmleyMoor | fnmueller: What exactly are you trying to achieve? |
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| 18:01.31 | fnmueller | thank for the responses. I want to be able to freelz define files which are replaced depending on which profile I am using |
| 18:02.00 | EmleyMoor | What do you mean by profile, and how do you intend to use one? |
| 18:02.07 | fnmueller | meaning: different network setup, printer setup, nfs setup, firewall setup |
| 18:02.37 | EmleyMoor | There are ways to automate network setup |
| 18:02.54 | fnmueller | EmleyMoor: profile as in "location" lets say for instance a home profile and a university profile |
| 18:03.14 | fnmueller | best would be to be able to choose the profile in grub and also during runtime |
| 18:03.47 | fnmueller | EmleyMoor: well, I am not just looking for network setup, but nfs, printer, firewall, xorg.... |
| 18:03.54 | EmleyMoor | I'm sure there are ways to achieve exactly what you want |
| 18:04.11 | abrotman | i know there are for the network parameters .. nto sure about the other bits |
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| 18:04.28 | fnmueller | EmleyMoor: I hope so, I realy like scpm, it"s just I didn"t find an equivalent for debian so far |
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| 18:05.27 | alleyoopster | I just noticed that the I can switch the wifi on during shutdown and during startup. There is a process killing it while it boots up. |
| 18:05.31 | EmleyMoor | I've never seen scpm but I do know what you mean - I can't comment on how to deal with it, though |
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| 18:06.00 | fnmueller | well, could I use http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfmod/project/?scpm ? |
| 18:06.13 | fnmueller | I know it's rpm, but there is alias..... |
| 18:06.25 | enouf | doesn't the interfaces examples talk abnout how to setup wifi/network profiles? |
| 18:06.30 | enouf | !interface |
| 18:06.34 | enouf | !interfaces |
| 18:06.34 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
| 18:06.43 | EmleyMoor | alien, you mean. You probably can't use alien for something like that... |
| 18:07.16 | enouf | or .. ( please tell me no ) .. do you mean as in Micropoop user's profile? |
| 18:07.35 | fnmueller | EmleyMoor: yes, alien, too bad :-(, this is like _the_ killer application that makes me not use debian on a larger scale |
| 18:07.47 | enouf | omg - create a User, and setup KDE or something to use their settings |
| 18:07.52 | fnmueller | enouf: well, I guess it's somehow comparable |
| 18:08.13 | enouf | each user has their own dotfiles, last i checked |
| 18:08.36 | fnmueller | enouf: I don't think that is a good solution nor a solution a t all, it's not like a different kde profile gives you a different ntp or printer setting |
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| 18:09.19 | enouf | fnmueller: oh well |
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| 18:09.38 | enouf | i'm not so sure - ask in #debian-kde maybe |
| 18:09.45 | suwro | hello |
| 18:09.57 | fnmueller | enouf: I am pretty sure KDE cannot so that. |
| 18:10.09 | fnmueller | not to say, perfectly sure |
| 18:10.11 | alleyoopster | abrotman: acpid is causing the wifi problem i think, stopping the daemon and light now on wifi |
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| 18:10.16 | enouf | i know gnome has ~/.gnome-profile files or someshit |
| 18:10.25 | kriebel | why aren't 2.6.24 headers in Lenny? |
| 18:10.28 | abrotman | alleyoopster: you can try acpi=off |
| 18:10.30 | enouf | gprivate2 somecrap |
| 18:10.30 | EmleyMoor | Short of keeping multiple sets of the affected files about and setting up grub to copy a particular set in, I don't know... |
| 18:10.35 | fnmueller | enouf: yes, but you won't be able to change global settings ;-) |
| 18:10.35 | abrotman | kriebel: because lenny has a .26 kernel |
| 18:10.50 | kriebel | .26 kernel has lots of broken bits |
| 18:10.54 | abrotman | kriebel: because lenny has a .26 kernel |
| 18:11.08 | fnmueller | EmleyMoor: exactly, I mean , that is what scpm does + automatically restarting daemons |
| 18:11.10 | kriebel | and there are headers for 2.6.18 and 2.6.22 |
| 18:11.21 | suwro | I Wish to install debian and software raid on 2 250GB sata disks. Should I make 1 raid array on the whole disk and partition it or to make 1 reiser partition+1swap + raid array ?? |
| 18:11.26 | suwro | i want raid 1 |
| 18:11.32 | EmleyMoor | kriebel: In lenny? IDTS |
| 18:11.44 | abrotman | kriebel: those are security packages .. they won't be around forever |
| 18:12.10 | EmleyMoor | Ah, it does have them |
| 18:12.12 | abrotman | kriebel: they're "accidents" |
| 18:12.16 | enouf | fnmueller: heh, make an /etc1/ and /etc2/ and so on, and upon boot and mount, have it mount those :-P |
| 18:12.23 | EmleyMoor | What's broken about .26? |
| 18:12.24 | kriebel | I want my .24 back |
| 18:12.28 | kriebel | and I want it in the release |
| 18:12.36 | kriebel | it won't boot with a few SATA controllers |
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| 18:12.50 | kriebel | and VMware server doesn't work, but I don't expect sympathy for that |
| 18:13.01 | fnmueller | enouf: well, yeah, I could do that - so all of you tell me you can't supply a comparable solution to scpm? |
| 18:13.02 | suwro | ?? |
| 18:13.05 | EmleyMoor | Are you saying there are SATA controllers supported in .24 but not working in .26? |
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| 18:13.14 | suwro | anyone? raid |
| 18:13.15 | abrotman | kriebel: file bugs .. there will not be a .24 in lenny .. you'll be on your own |
| 18:13.24 | enouf | fnmueller: i never heard of it, prior to just now |
| 18:13.25 | EmleyMoor | raids suwro |
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| 18:13.40 | enouf | let alone any debian equivalent |
| 18:13.45 | kriebel | suwro, GRUB can boot from a raid-1, but you might want a small /boot or / and then LVM the rest |
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| 18:13.53 | abrotman | kriebel: and vmware is vmware's fault .. IIRC it doens't work on any .26 system |
| 18:14.02 | EmleyMoor | suwro: As I understand it, have a raid for each filesystem for safest |
| 18:14.14 | lepin1 | is any one having issues with the merge list on testing? |
| 18:14.16 | kriebel | why is so much in Lenny broken, but they update the kernel like mad just before a release |
| 18:14.23 | suwro | kriebel: aha - do I need lvm too? to? |
| 18:14.26 | abrotman | because it's not stable |
| 18:14.26 | fnmueller | enouf: hmmm, it certainly is a lacking feature. SO now I have to make a decision. Encrypted LVM on my Laptop or profiles...... |
| 18:14.30 | alleyoopster | abrotman: acpid is the problem, wireless has fireup now, not sure i want it off, going to loose a lot without it am i not |
| 18:14.42 | abrotman | and it's not really that close to release .. there are still over 300 RC bugs |
| 18:14.52 | suwro | software raid does not support multiple partitions? |
| 18:14.52 | kriebel | suwro, you don't need it, but it's nice to have. software raid and LVM use similar tech under the hood, but they are seperate |
| 18:14.53 | EmleyMoor | kriebel: Things can break, sometimes drastically, if you're not on stable |
| 18:14.58 | enouf | kriebel: doesn't backports.org have some .24 ish header pkgs? |
| 18:15.10 | abrotman | enouf: i think they're up to .26 also |
| 18:15.10 | kriebel | yeah, I guess I could try etch-and-a-half |
| 18:15.16 | enouf | fnmueller: not lacking for Server oriented ;-) |
| 18:15.17 | EmleyMoor | suwro: It probably does, but it's safer the other way |
| 18:15.17 | suwro | kriebel: I use to use lvm too -now I don't use it any more. |
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| 18:15.36 | enouf | abrotman: right, i recall some .25 stuff there not long ago |
| 18:15.37 | suwro | ok so 1 raid array + LVM - got it. |
| 18:15.38 | abrotman | kriebel: you're going to be better off in the long run if you file bugs and help get the .26 working correctly for lenny's release |
| 18:15.46 | suwro | and 1 boot partition |
| 18:15.49 | abrotman | alleyoopster: maybe you can find out which acpi thing triggers it |
| 18:15.57 | EmleyMoor | There's at least one package that broke badly when the .26 kernel came - but I managed to find a fix |
| 18:15.59 | fnmueller | enouf: ohh, I am in the process of making the change to debian, but it looks like it just is not up to the task of fullfilling my requirements laptop wise |
| 18:16.37 | enouf | fnmueller: craptop? bwahahaha .. (sorry, couldn't help it - but it's a personal tick i have) :-) |
| 18:16.50 | lepin1 | i'm having trouble with apt-get update ... Dynamic MMap ran out of room ... what do i make of this? |
| 18:16.57 | fnmueller | enouf: well, there are people (like me) who really have no other choice |
| 18:16.57 | alleyoopster | abrotman: yeah, well at least i made some progress, is it worth filing a bug or something? |
| 18:17.01 | abrotman | !tell lepin1 about mmap |
| 18:17.06 | enouf | fnmueller: but please do use whichever distro and software fulfills your needs |
| 18:17.08 | abrotman | alleyoopster: sure it is .. |
| 18:17.10 | stew | fnmueller: what requirements is it not fulfilling? |
| 18:17.23 | abrotman | alleyoopster: you can make an installation report |
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| 18:17.34 | fnmueller | stew: using profiles as in scpm, I need far more than used network setup |
| 18:17.41 | alleyoopster | abrotman:ok will do, cheers for help |
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| 18:17.57 | stew | fnmueller: what is scpm? |
| 18:17.58 | lepin1 | abrotman: i wan't told |
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| 18:18.12 | EmleyMoor | SuSe Configuration Profile Manager |
| 18:18.18 | fnmueller | stew: http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfmod/project/?scpm |
| 18:18.20 | enouf | stew : system profiles .. as in ... ok, done |
| 18:18.21 | abrotman | lepin1: it comes in a msg from dpkg |
| 18:18.30 | abrotman | lepin1: /msg dpkg mmap |
| 18:18.46 | lepin1 | great, thanks |
| 18:19.17 | stew | fnmueller: what thing other than network configuration do you need to switch from one profile to another? |
| 18:19.29 | fbc | Hello all! |
| 18:19.38 | fnmueller | stew: nfs setup, printer setup, xorg.conf, iptables |
| 18:20.20 | fbc | How do I make my cirtual interface come up automatically when I reboot my computer? I always have to manually type ifup eth1:1 or my apache won't start.. How can I fx that? |
| 18:20.28 | stew | fnmueller: nfs setup shoudn't be a problem. iptables can be configured with the network changes easily enough. why do you ever need to change xorg.conf? |
| 18:20.30 | fnmueller | stew: furthermore I would like to be able to selct profiles during run time and in grub, but that is a non-necessary extra |
| 18:20.50 | fnmueller | stew: for energy saving and different dual-head setups |
| 18:21.34 | kriebel | heh, win2k had that feature. I don't know anyone who used it |
| 18:21.38 | kriebel | maybe for docking laptops |
| 18:21.44 | stew | fnmueller: using lenny you wouldn't change xorg.conf for dual-head |
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| 18:21.57 | kriebel | xrandr ftw |
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| 18:22.04 | enouf | kriebel: even the legacy win9x have it |
| 18:22.09 | EmleyMoor | These RC bugs in lenny - is there a chart of some kind showing number over time? |
| 18:22.20 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 18:22.24 | enouf | kriebel: called hardware profiles and user profiles and such |
| 18:22.25 | lepin1 | abrotman: no go ... added the line in both /etc/apt/apt.conf ... and apt.conf.d/70debconf |
| 18:22.37 | lepin1 | same error, with the same file. |
| 18:22.37 | fnmueller | stew: well, I sometimes have a beamer and sometimesI have monitors on connected to that laptop -with totally different resolutions and HZ rates |
| 18:22.51 | stew | fnmueller: yeah, and none of that stuff would go into xorg.conf |
| 18:22.54 | abrotman | lepin1: paste your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 18:22.59 | fnmueller | ok |
| 18:23.01 | enouf | EmleyMoor: /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 18:23.10 | enouf | oh, abrotman gotcha |
| 18:23.11 | lepin1 | can't paste ... will retype |
| 18:23.12 | kriebel | fnmueller, you use your laptop in your BMW? |
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| 18:23.26 | fnmueller | kriebel: no, in my toyota :-) |
| 18:23.27 | abrotman | lepin1: it tells you to just increase the number |
| 18:23.37 | stew | fnmueller: here is the xorg.conf that I use for dual-head and single-head, using multiple different monitors as the second head: http://vireo.org/~stew/xorg.conf.7.3 |
| 18:23.57 | abrotman | kriebel: "beamer" means projector in some places |
| 18:24.01 | EmleyMoor | The trend is downwards, which is a good sign - though I know I got involved in one that is "Serious" |
| 18:24.08 | enouf | stew: i see, so autoconfig does have it's benefits? .. sweet |
| 18:24.12 | abrotman | kriebel: not in allentown/easton though :) |
| 18:24.32 | EmleyMoor | (which is still open though there is a fix pending upload) |
| 18:24.40 | kriebel | In Bethlehem, you get run over by them on the Lehigh.edu campus |
| 18:24.47 | karlgus | I've got a question about rights, I know what r, w and x are... but what does s means in -rwsr-xr-- ? |
| 18:24.53 | stew | enouf: indeed |
| 18:24.54 | abrotman | darn out of control projectors |
| 18:25.08 | kriebel | sti8cky or setuid |
| 18:25.12 | kriebel | I forget |
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| 18:25.21 | EmleyMoor | Set UID on execution |
| 18:25.44 | karlgus | thanks |
| 18:25.49 | abrotman | !tell karlgus about permissions |
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| 18:26.09 | enouf | stew: wow, i didn't think it'd be that sparse a file - dang :-P |
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| 18:26.29 | aliases123 | !tell dbmoodb about moo |
| 18:26.47 | lepin1 | abrotman: http://pastie.org/274307 |
| 18:27.05 | stew | i'm not sure if I even need an xorg.conf at all |
| 18:27.21 | aliases123 | stew: debian lenny ? or etch |
| 18:27.31 | stew | aliases123: lenny |
| 18:28.11 | aliases123 | no not really. it will bother you when you reconfigure it / put a file there. the file can be blank. you don't really need a file... i found but its best to put one there for completness. |
| 18:28.21 | n3kl | Is there a way to get the octal permissions of a file or folder? |
| 18:28.24 | EmleyMoor | I'm finding lenny OK - apart from one serious bug, but I've fixed that with a little help |
| 18:28.53 | enouf | n3kl: stat |
| 18:28.58 | aliases123 | EmleyMoor: which was that ? |
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| 18:29.05 | n3kl | enouf: dope, thanks |
| 18:29.10 | enouf | ;-) |
| 18:29.29 | EmleyMoor | aliases123: zaptel-source won't build against 2.6.26 |
| 18:29.32 | aliases123 | thinks enouf just launched a botnet attack. |
| 18:29.55 | aliases123 | oh really. that sucks. was it debian specific ? |
| 18:30.04 | enouf | aliases123: ? |
| 18:30.17 | aliases123 | i'm joking |
| 18:30.22 | EmleyMoor | Not as far as I know |
| 18:30.28 | enouf | well, ok |
| 18:30.40 | EmleyMoor | The fix is pending upload, they say |
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| 18:30.56 | lepin1 | abrotman: it worked when setting a size of 50000000 ... and i had to set it in apt.conf ... apt.conf.d/70debconf did not work. |
| 18:31.06 | danilom | under console how can i check if the computer have SATa port?? |
| 18:31.07 | EmleyMoor | (zaptel is end-of-life - it will be replaced with dahdi in squeeze) |
| 18:34.41 | EmleyMoor | I will be putting a fresh lenny install on my new box when I build it |
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| 18:35.23 | EmleyMoor | (and I may be ordering the parts this week, or definitely next week otherwise) |
| 18:35.27 | kriebel | I've been using Lenny on my desktop for a while |
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| 18:35.45 | kriebel | since 4.0 came out but x64 support was lacking |
| 18:35.54 | kriebel | but I'm reluctant to put it on servers |
| 18:36.08 | EmleyMoor | I am using lenny all round at the moment - I've had one machine on it since etch came out - and that one will follow squeeze - the rest will stay on lenny |
| 18:36.12 | kriebel | even though putting Lenny on a few now will save headaches when it goes stable |
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| 18:36.50 | Assid | anyone know the reconfigure for changing base installation settings.. like hostname etc? |
| 18:37.03 | EmleyMoor | I have one server that had lenny on it because it wouldn't do what I wanted under etch - and still doesn't quite under lenny, which is why I am letting it run into squeeze |
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| 18:37.28 | aliases123 | EmleyMoor: which is what ? |
| 18:37.48 | abrotman | lepin1: don't mix etch and lenny |
| 18:37.50 | EmleyMoor | aliases123: Run a jabber<->yahoo transport properly |
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| 18:38.17 | kriebel | that sounds very... userspace |
| 18:38.27 | kriebel | you could just get sources for whatever does that |
| 18:38.35 | EmleyMoor | My PBX is fine on lenny but that was on etch when built. (I think etch was frozen at that time, it was just before release) |
| 18:39.21 | kriebel | Assid, I forget what that program is called, but you can run it again |
| 18:39.33 | abrotman | Assid: there isn't one |
| 18:39.37 | kriebel | if you want to change the hostname, edit /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname and re-boot |
| 18:39.42 | EmleyMoor | kriebel: I ended up doing so recently anyway |
| 18:39.59 | EmleyMoor | I intend to stabilise at the first Debian it's packaged properly in. |
| 18:40.39 | kriebel | 's eyes choke on the Queen's English |
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| 18:41.24 | stew | 's eyes choke at the suggestion of a reboot for something trivial |
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| 18:41.51 | kriebel | it sounded like he was cloning machines |
| 18:42.00 | kriebel | didn't seem like it would cause problems, and probably solve some |
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| 18:42.07 | kriebel | EmleyMoor: Asterisk? |
| 18:42.12 | EmleyMoor | kriebel: Yes |
| 18:42.28 | kriebel | my buddy has gotten good at that. It scares me, though |
| 18:42.36 | kriebel | did you connect it to jabber? |
| 18:43.13 | EmleyMoor | kriebel: I have done so recently. I use the feature as a means to display caller ID :-) |
| 18:43.25 | kriebel | ah |
| 18:43.43 | EmleyMoor | (while on etch, it wasn't really possible) |
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| 18:44.02 | kriebel | I'm curious about this VoIP with jabber thing Google initiated |
| 18:44.35 | EmleyMoor | kriebel: It's maybe promising... |
| 18:44.47 | kriebel | well, if you can send messages with jabber over anything command-line you can make asterisk trigger it |
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| 18:45.04 | kriebel | we had a mythtv plugin that showed caller-id on the TV when the phone rang |
| 18:45.08 | kriebel | over the show |
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| 18:45.13 | Mike1 | hey |
| 18:45.18 | Mike1 | Top causes for wakeups: |
| 18:45.18 | Mike1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.23 | lepin1 | booting into a frame buffered console is a grub/kernel parameter right? |
| 18:45.27 | neurodamage | I need to understand why I don't have a git binary for the git-core and cogito packages? I have all teh git-* stuff, but not the main binary? |
| 18:45.28 | Mike1 | `powertop`...what's that? |
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| 18:45.33 | neurodamage | there is no git-init? |
| 18:45.36 | EmleyMoor | mythtv didn't work well when I tried it but I am building a new box that might be better for it soon |
| 18:45.47 | EmleyMoor | (I may even think about a digital TV card) |
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| 18:46.18 | kriebel | EmleyMoor, http://www.pchdtv.com/hd_5500.html |
| 18:46.30 | abrotman | neurodamage: still ? |
| 18:46.52 | EmleyMoor | kriebel: Not suitable by the look of it |
| 18:47.25 | kriebel | do they not use QAM where you're from? |
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| 18:47.33 | kriebel | I guess it doesn't do PAL, but you said digital |
| 18:47.36 | EmleyMoor | Ah, good point, it may do that |
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| 18:47.47 | maligor | american digital standard that |
| 18:47.56 | abrotman | neurodamage: there actually isn't any "*/bin/git" in etch at all .. that's what the alternatives system is fore |
| 18:47.57 | abrotman | for |
| 18:48.14 | abrotman | AFAICT anyways |
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| 18:48.27 | EmleyMoor | I am looking for something PCI-Express if possible |
| 18:49.44 | kriebel | sadly, it's almost not worth it thanks to CableCARD and the DRM being forced down our throats |
| 18:49.49 | EmleyMoor | It can wait a bit - there's 4 years yet before it's desperate |
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| 18:50.03 | n3kl | Anyone know what the ENV{GENERATED} does in udev rules? |
| 18:50.19 | qmr | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-i386-netinst.iso <-- that's what I want to install a new stable system yea? |
| 18:50.30 | maligor | EmleyMoor, you find info on them at http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 18:50.46 | EmleyMoor | qmr: If you have suitable network access, yes |
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| 18:51.52 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... HVR-1200 sounds promising |
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| 18:52.34 | datacrusher | hi folks, iv dona a backup script, everything is doing fine, but the iso the final backup generates, dont respect the accents as the windows share is, ill have problems to restore it back |
| 18:52.41 | datacrusher | how do i set to use the same characters? |
| 18:53.01 | datacrusher | ill postebin the script, |
| 18:53.21 | kriebel | iso9660 sucks |
| 18:53.29 | kriebel | make sure you have Joliet extensions on in the burn |
| 18:53.36 | n3kl | kriebel: what is better? |
| 18:53.36 | maligor | udf! |
| 18:54.03 | n3kl | what is udf? |
| 18:54.12 | maligor | iso9660 replacement |
| 18:54.17 | n3kl | newer? |
| 18:54.26 | EmleyMoor | Different |
| 18:54.30 | maligor | quite so |
| 18:54.48 | n3kl | How do you make use of it? |
| 18:54.52 | EmleyMoor | iso9660 has the advantage of being well known and well supported |
| 18:55.10 | EmleyMoor | I haven't actually done anything significant with udf |
| 18:55.20 | maligor | UDF VAT would be relatively similar in use to iso9660 |
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| 18:55.45 | maligor | well.. not really |
| 18:55.52 | nubbun | Should installing DEBs via FTP check signatures in Lenny? |
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| 18:55.58 | maligor | don't all dvd's use udf |
| 18:56.02 | n3kl | I tar everying before I iso it anyway, so my data is less subject to the nameing conventions of iso9660 anyway |
| 18:56.30 | kriebel | well then you shouldn't have any problems |
| 18:56.32 | kriebel | so why do you? |
| 18:56.49 | n3kl | I wasn't the one who is |
| 18:56.57 | nubbun | maligor: I think not. UDF is packet oriented, video DVDs are track.. |
| 18:57.03 | EmleyMoor | maligor: DVDs generally use UDF but you can use ISO9660 on ones that are for your own use |
| 18:57.14 | EmleyMoor | Video DVDs are UDF |
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| 18:57.35 | datacrusher | http://pastebin.com/d3cdcfe7b |
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| 18:57.42 | EmleyMoor | (the track handling is on top of it) |
| 18:57.43 | datacrusher | im using genisoimage |
| 18:58.24 | abrotman | nubbun: those are repository signatures .. yes |
| 18:59.22 | nubbun | I just installed from Lenny weekly DVD and my apt & friends are not checking signatures. Is that surprising? And why might it be? |
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| 19:01.18 | abrotman | nubbun: not checking at all? or they're not correct? |
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| 19:03.40 | n3kl | datacrusher: why are you creating an iso at all? |
| 19:03.51 | nubbun | abrotman: WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
| 19:04.01 | nubbun | abrotman: from aptitude |
| 19:04.09 | n3kl | you could just do growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/cdrom /backup/iso/tmp/ |
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| 19:05.14 | Ced2 | jelly: sorry I was AFK, how many files? millions of them. I really dunno the sizes but can change a lot, XFS is my first FS choice |
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| 19:06.01 | nubbun | or from apt-get: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 19:06.17 | Ced2 | jelly: something like 0.5TB |
| 19:06.41 | abrotman | nubbun: make sure the debian-archive-keyring is installed |
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| 19:06.48 | n3kl | datacrusher: also, just tar everything up with the p flag and then burn that, this way you don't care about hte filesystem that the file site on |
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| 19:08.32 | neurodamage | why does debian have to be different :(...where's the git binary that's supposed to be in the git-core cogito packages? |
| 19:09.01 | stew | git-core: /usr/bin/git |
| 19:09.48 | n3kl | which git? |
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| 19:10.47 | stew | oh, etch's might not have /usr/bin/git, only the git-command versions |
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| 19:11.13 | stew | neurodamage: perhaps you want the newer, backported version from bpo: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 19:11.48 | nubbun | abrotman: It is. I'll check to see if I can upgrade it. |
| 19:13.28 | abrotman | nubbun: if you do an `apt-key list` .. do you get keys? are you using an official mirror? |
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| 19:13.52 | abrotman | neurodamage: i told you .. use the alternatives system |
| 19:14.56 | stew | nubbun: show us the output of "apt-cache policy $packagename" for one of the packages that is not being verified ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 19:17.01 | wald0 | maybe this is a bit OT but how the audio-players "know" the image (cover) to use for a mp3 playing ? |
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| 19:18.40 | nubbun | APT no verification: http://paste.debian.net/17464/ |
| 19:18.42 | fbc | does anyone know how to make a virtual interface come up automatically on reboot? I have to type "ifup eth1:1" everytime the system starts up. |
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| 19:19.35 | stew | fbc: add 'auto eth1:1' to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:19.36 | nubbun | wald0: a sort of checksum involving lengths and number of tracks. |
| 19:20.03 | fbc | stew, thanks.. I will try that. |
| 19:21.00 | wald0 | nubbun: and how i can add them ? i have an album and a .jpg file but my player doesn't show it |
| 19:21.31 | nubbun | wald0: there are a few standards. checkout freedb |
| 19:22.18 | nubbun | wald0: wikipedia has info |
| 19:22.32 | wald0 | nubbun: which article of wikipedia ? |
| 19:23.12 | stew | nubbun: have you run 'apt-get update' recently? |
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| 19:23.21 | nubbun | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Freedb |
| 19:23.21 | nubbun | for example |
| 19:23.29 | wald0 | thx |
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| 19:23.42 | nubbun | stew: yes. I also re-imported the keyring with |
| 19:23.42 | nubbun | gpg -import |
| 19:23.56 | nubbun | to root |
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| 19:24.51 | stew | nubbun: apt doesn't use root's gpg key, it uses /etc/apt/*gpg ; add keys with apt-key |
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| 19:28.39 | nubbun | apt-key list: http://paste.debian.net/17465/ |
| 19:28.39 | nubbun | looks fine to me. has Leny stable release key. |
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| 19:31.01 | SidGBF | Anyone from Brazil? |
| 19:31.05 | datacrusher | eu |
| 19:31.20 | raijin | US |
| 19:31.24 | dacs | howdy |
| 19:31.25 | SidGBF | http://paste.debian.net/17466/ What's this error? |
| 19:31.27 | justin | SidGBF: brazilians are from brazil |
| 19:31.45 | dacs | how can i tell what is the domain name of a server i am working on |
| 19:31.46 | SidGBF | justin: ._. |
| 19:31.56 | justin | dacs: hostname -f ? |
| 19:31.59 | dacs | echo '$FQDN |
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| 19:32.43 | dacs | justin: ok what is in the hosts file then |
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| 19:32.58 | MrWax | Does anyone know some good reminder kind of terminal based application for unix? |
| 19:33.07 | MrWax | (appointments, agenda etc) |
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| 19:34.52 | nubbun | mrfan: mencal, emacs diary, probably more emacs apps. |
| 19:35.03 | nubbun | oops. I meant that for MrWax |
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| 19:37.30 | dacs | justin: hostname -f return hostname: Unknown host |
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| 19:37.49 | dacs | does that mean i don;t have a domain name setup |
| 19:38.08 | justin | it means something isn't setup correctly |
| 19:38.35 | dacs | justin: can you please help me |
| 19:38.35 | xconspirisist | Hey folks, where "echo foo >> bar" appends to the bottom of the file, is there a way to redirect output to append to the top of a file? |
| 19:38.40 | nubbun | dacs: Mine does that too. |
| 19:39.00 | dacs | justin: that make two of us |
| 19:39.00 | justin | nubbun: yours isn't setup correctly then either |
| 19:39.08 | nubbun | xconspirisist: not commonly. There is a utility to rewrite in place. |
| 19:39.17 | dacs | thinks two birds one stone :) |
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| 19:39.39 | justin | xconspirisist: other than cat header f > f.tmp &&mv f.tmp f not really |
| 19:39.41 | xconspirisist | nubbun: I'll think I know a way around it. Thanks anywoo :P |
| 19:39.56 | xconspirisist | justin: Thanks too :) |
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| 19:40.24 | justin | oh well.. was going to say that there are tools that can add headers.. most for adding copyright stuffs |
| 19:40.48 | Crissi | hello.. i'm using lenny and have problems with ipw3945 card... it works fine with iwl3945 driver but it works only for some channels |
| 19:41.09 | Crissi | channel 13 for example cant be used.. but i need that channel |
| 19:41.27 | Crissi | it has worked in future... |
| 19:41.31 | justin | isn't channel 13 only for europe? |
| 19:41.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | channel 13 is not an allowed channel in many countries |
| 19:41.39 | Crissi | i'm i europe |
| 19:41.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I think only in japan or something? |
| 19:41.45 | Crissi | in |
| 19:41.50 | justin | Crissi: well, your card doesn't think you are :) |
| 19:41.50 | Crissi | no |
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| 19:42.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, I guess so |
| 19:42.04 | Crissi | but i'm in germany |
| 19:42.14 | Crissi | how i can tell the card that |
| 19:42.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Crissi, you can recompile the kernel module and enable the channels in the source - I've done that for two different cards and it was pretty much straight-forward in both cases |
| 19:43.01 | Crissi | huh? |
| 19:43.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can just change the channels that belong to a zone in the source |
| 19:43.32 | Crissi | i compiled 2.6.27-rc6 from kernel org... but 2.6.26 from debian also dont work |
| 19:43.55 | justin | dont think you need to compile anything |
| 19:43.57 | Crissi | why its disabled? its bad to recompile your own kernel for getting the channels |
| 19:44.00 | justin | http://intellinuxwireless.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1690 |
| 19:44.20 | justin | shows some people loading the driver with options to set the country |
| 19:45.52 | Crissi | i never had need that in history |
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| 19:48.30 | Crissi | hm... |
| 19:48.34 | Crissi | seems not working |
| 19:49.58 | JPT | hmm... maybe my question will be very strange, but... is it possible to freeze a single process in order to free some cpu-ressources and resume the process after that again ? |
| 19:50.17 | justin | JPT: yes |
| 19:50.25 | JPT | Oo.... really? |
| 19:50.37 | JPT | can you give me more information about that ? |
| 19:51.44 | justin | JPT: kill -STOP;kill -CONT |
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| 19:51.57 | JPT | oh... just that easy ? |
| 19:51.59 | JPT | i'll try |
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| 19:52.36 | JPT | okay, that works |
| 19:52.46 | JPT | nice thing... |
| 19:53.11 | JPT | thanks :) |
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| 19:53.52 | adama | where on debian.org do I get a netinst CD iso that installs kernel 2.6.26 |
| 19:53.56 | JPT | maybe you'd give kill a different name.... like sig or cps (change process state) |
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| 19:55.27 | JPT | lol, even the network connection is still alive after resuming |
| 19:56.16 | n3kl | I am sure that depends on how long the process was stopped |
| 19:56.32 | JPT | about 1 minute.. |
| 19:56.38 | JPT | i excepted a total crash... |
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| 19:56.53 | JPT | nobody knows about what wine can do |
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| 19:57.23 | JPT | okay... but even the connection loss would not be any problem to me |
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| 20:00.01 | grendal_prime | who is good with grub? |
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| 20:00.34 | JPT | depends on what you want to know :) |
| 20:00.54 | grendal_prime | i got a system that has three menu.list items..1 linux kernel, 1rescue kernel and a windows chain loader entry. |
| 20:01.04 | JPT | okay |
| 20:01.30 | grendal_prime | on the linux kernel i want to add some default kernel options that will get added to whatever kernel is currently on the system. |
| 20:01.45 | grendal_prime | so i upgrade it and i want those options to apply to the new kernel. |
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| 20:02.23 | JPT | okay... |
| 20:02.33 | JPT | in the menu.lst, there is a line... "#kopt=" |
| 20:02.38 | grendal_prime | like ummm... |
| 20:02.39 | grendal_prime | console=ttyS0,9600n8 |
| 20:02.44 | JPT | this is appended to every usual kernel boot entry |
| 20:02.48 | grendal_prime | ya i see that im trying to figure out how it works |
| 20:02.59 | JPT | update-grub will help then :) |
| 20:02.59 | jMCg | mmmhmmmmm.... |
| 20:03.10 | grendal_prime | so just kopt=console=ttyS0,9600n8 |
| 20:03.31 | jMCg | grendal_prime: do you have a system that will show the POST on the serial console as well? |
| 20:03.48 | JPT | oh.. one moment.. |
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| 20:04.01 | JPT | it is "# defoptions" |
| 20:04.01 | grendal_prime | ya, i have a laptop i serial in with |
| 20:05.18 | JPT | okay, now i got it again.. |
| 20:05.26 | JPT | kopt is for every kernel in the list.. |
| 20:05.38 | JPT | and defoptions is only the "not-rescue" kernel entry |
| 20:06.03 | Crissi | harr |
| 20:06.05 | Crissi | iwl3945: Microcode SW error detected. Restarting 0x82000008. |
| 20:06.05 | Crissi | iwl3945: Error Reply type 0x00000005 cmd REPLY_SCAN_CMD (0x80) seq 0x4416 ser 0x0000004B |
| 20:06.05 | Crissi | iwl3945: Can't stop Rx DMA. |
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| 20:06.12 | Crissi | kick debhelper |
| 20:06.16 | Crissi | fuck you# |
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| 20:06.51 | abrotman | Crissi: done yet? |
| 20:06.51 | jMCg | Crissi: it's channel rules.. |
| 20:06.57 | abrotman | !tell Crissi about paste |
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| 20:07.30 | Crissi | no... i paste on 3 lines... not more |
| 20:07.54 | Skaperen | Crissi: apparently the limit on this channel is 2 or fewer ... live with it |
| 20:07.55 | abrotman | you did |
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| 20:08.01 | abrotman | it's four .. you hit the limit |
| 20:08.04 | datacrusher | hi there, im using this command "genisoimage -r -o /backup/iso/biblioteca.iso /backup/iso/tmp" to make the biblioteca.iso archive, but the files all got with wroht accents and special characters on the image |
| 20:08.14 | Crissi | no. 3. |
| 20:08.27 | abrotman | think whatever you want |
| 20:08.37 | datacrusher | how do i use genisoimage to make the dvd equal to the files, and uses can open with windows machine ? |
| 20:08.38 | Skaperen | saw 3 ... but that is a common enough limit |
| 20:08.41 | Crissi | the line before was 2 sec before |
| 20:08.56 | abrotman | too many too close together .. just moving on already |
| 20:09.09 | Crissi | but for now... what now for the problem with iwl3945? |
| 20:09.18 | abrotman | looks like a firmware issue |
| 20:09.24 | Crissi | right |
| 20:09.45 | Crissi | but it has worked in history.. |
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| 20:10.02 | Skaperen | Crissi: don't worry about it ... it was a pre-emptive kick in case you were doing more ... you got right back on just fine ... you are not banned ... do as <abrotman> says and move on |
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| 20:10.55 | justin | datacrusher: you need the options for joliet most likely |
| 20:11.01 | jMCg | Crissi: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=494703 |
| 20:11.29 | datacrusher | hm.. i was in doubht about the norm... iso9660, rock ridge, joliet |
| 20:11.43 | datacrusher | so there will be joliet, ill test here |
| 20:11.51 | justin | datacrusher: that option can help to |
| 20:11.58 | shahri | dvd: das is 111mb |
| 20:12.09 | justin | datacrusher: without any options the plain iso9660 stuff doesn't support much |
| 20:12.09 | shahri | fuck, wrong channel |
| 20:12.10 | shahri | sorry |
| 20:12.45 | datacrusher | [justin]: hm.. im lookig the man.. toooo many options |
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| 20:12.56 | Philluminati | I have ruined my Debian install and I'm having problems upgrading from Etch to Lenny cleanly, dispite several tries. I don't need my workstation to be stable and I might have a weekend where I wouldn't mind helping out debian. Is this the correct page for the latest version of Debian (and I mean installable version of debian with vim and access to repos?) http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:13.02 | datacrusher | http://linux.die.net/man/1/genisoimage |
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| 20:13.09 | justin | datacrusher: try just -J for now |
| 20:13.17 | abrotman | Philluminati: that's the lenny netinst |
| 20:13.27 | justin | datacrusher: and -R :) |
| 20:13.40 | n3kl | is genisoimage better than mkisofs? |
| 20:13.45 | justin | n3kl: same thing |
| 20:13.52 | n3kl | oh |
| 20:14.02 | datacrusher | [justin]: iv tryed this line |
| 20:14.26 | datacrusher | genisoimage -J -r -o /fileimate.iso /folder/subfolder |
| 20:14.28 | justin | it's the fork because Jorg is crazy |
| 20:14.35 | datacrusher | didnt work |
| 20:14.46 | jimcooncat | for preseeding, how do I encrupt my password for user-password-crypted? "echo mypass|md5sum"? |
| 20:14.59 | datacrusher | whats the difference btween -r and -R |
| 20:15.19 | justin | datacrusher: the docs explain it.. it wouldnt help for your issue |
| 20:15.45 | Philluminati | abortman, so apart from the fact it has to download a gig of stuff on the internet during the install, it will effectively leave me with an installed-on-a-partition debian + gnome systems afterwards? |
| 20:16.12 | idimmu | jimcooncat: or encrypted using an MD5 hash. |
| 20:16.18 | abrotman | Philluminati: the netinst itself can leave you with a "usable" system .. if you choose to use HTTP sources, then it could be a gig |
| 20:16.18 | idimmu | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/example-preseed.txt |
| 20:16.31 | abrotman | Philluminati: but it will install what you choose .. yes |
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| 20:17.55 | Philluminati | Thank you abrotman. |
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| 20:20.13 | Philluminati | abrotman, what happens if I use the downloads marked "full CD/DVD sets"? or the "current weekly snapshot?" |
| 20:21.06 | mhymn | what is the name of alsa development package in etch? |
| 20:21.13 | abrotman | Philluminati: uhm .. i wouldn't, Lenny is still changing |
| 20:21.27 | abrotman | Philluminati: basically .. to me it would be a waste of bandwidth |
| 20:21.36 | abrotman | mhymn: apt-cache -- search alsa -dev |
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| 20:21.50 | jimcooncat | thanks idimmu |
| 20:22.16 | mhymn | abrotman: it doesn't help |
| 20:23.05 | abrotman | mhymn: alsa-source ? |
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| 20:23.22 | raz | hi |
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| 20:23.37 | mhymn | abrotman: I'll check it, thanks |
| 20:23.41 | raz | why does aptitude see more packages than apt-get on my box? |
| 20:24.16 | raz | for example, "apt-get install libevent" fails. "aptitude install libevent" succeeds. |
| 20:24.17 | Philluminati | I think I'm going to be risky and download the weekly snapshot and try it out. |
| 20:25.10 | Philluminati | Whether you download the disc or download the net-installer you end up with roughly the same bandwidth used anyway |
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| 20:26.05 | hasanibrahim | hello, i will ask a question about vbox, please don't say #vbox because there is nobody ;) |
| 20:26.06 | stew | raz: well there is no package named libevent, so i'm not suprised that 'apt-get install libevent' fails. what packages does "aptitude install libevent" actually want to install? |
| 20:26.21 | Philluminati | ok next question, does debian really come on 25 cds? |
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| 20:26.54 | hasanibrahim | i want to install guest additions |
| 20:27.30 | stew | Philluminati: yes, if you want to have every single pacakge on a cd, it takes up 25 cds. its rare that anyone actually needs pacakges from each cd however |
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| 20:27.57 | Philluminati | Is the first CD enough for base install + gnome? |
| 20:28.08 | stew | Philluminati: yes |
| 20:28.26 | Philluminati | Thank you stew |
| 20:29.07 | raz | stew, sorry i'm cheating a bit since i'm on an ubuntu box here. ;) since #ubuntu is not responding i hoped to get some insight about the difference between apt-get and aptitude here. or is that difference a speciality of ubuntu? |
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| 20:34.23 | torr | is there a way to have two server that are exactly the same so if one fails, the other still work with all applications? |
| 20:35.39 | torr | without downtime? (and when the failed is fixed it gets synced with the good one that got more data in the mean while?) |
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| 20:43.43 | {uX}l`VampyrCeil | what can i look at to find out why X is locking up (xchat still receives messages, but Conky doesn't update, and keyboard/mouse don't do anything; i have to hard-reset when it happens) |
| 20:43.57 | {uX}l`VampyrCeil | is there a buggy suspend mode in Lenny 64 i don't know about? |
| 20:44.00 | {uX}l`VampyrCeil | !@# |
| 20:44.30 | maplebed | question about inetd, xinetd, net-base, and package management. |
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| 20:44.46 | maplebed | xinetd is a viable replacement for openbsd-inetd, |
| 20:44.53 | maplebed | but the packages seem to think it won't work. |
| 20:45.07 | maplebed | netbase has "openbsd-inetd | inet-superserver" as a dependency. |
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| 20:45.21 | maplebed | but xinetd doesn't fill the "inet-superserver" virtual package. |
| 20:45.25 | Bushmills | ceil420: X locking up is often due to video drivers |
| 20:45.26 | maplebed | (in etch) |
| 20:45.30 | justin | ceil420: sounds more like something grabbed the kb input and froze |
| 20:45.30 | maplebed | is that an error? |
| 20:45.40 | Bushmills | especially when switching to text console, or back |
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| 20:45.51 | Tramp | maplebed: xinetd Provides: inet-superserver |
| 20:45.55 | ceil420 | Bushmills, i have no text console ;x that was gonna be my next question |
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| 20:46.09 | ceil420 | i ctrl+alt+F2 and it seems my monitor loses connection |
| 20:46.39 | Tramp | maplebed: oh, etch - sorry then. |
| 20:46.43 | maplebed | Tramp: http://packages.debian.org/etch/inet-superserver |
| 20:46.45 | stew | maplebed: xinetd Provides: inet-superserver |
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| 20:46.49 | maplebed | is where I was getting my data. |
| 20:47.31 | stew | maplebed: "apt-cache showpkg inet-serverserver" and look at the "Reverse Provides" section, or "apt-cache show xinetd | grep Provides" |
| 20:47.40 | MrWax | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.43 | MrWax | (appointments, agenda etc) |
| 20:48.43 | Bushmills | ceil420: what video card? |
| 20:49.25 | maplebed | stew - neat command! Linebreaks squashed, it outputs in the "Reverse Provides" section:Reverse Provides: rlinetd 0.6-3 openbsd-inetd 0.20050402-6 inetutils-inetd 2:1.5.dfsg.1-2 |
| 20:49.27 | ceil420 | Bushmills, ATi HD 3200 (integrated) |
| 20:49.46 | Bushmills | ceil420: with the proprietary ATI driver? |
| 20:49.48 | maplebed | It looks like the lenny version of xinetd does provide inet-superserver, but not the etch version. |
| 20:50.15 | ceil420 | Bushmills, i just installed this monday, and spent all day yesterday installing other stuff; haven't gotten around to looking into drivers |
| 20:50.23 | stew | maplebed: oh, it looks like compatibility wasn't added until recently: http://changelogs.debian.net/xinetd |
| 20:50.23 | ceil420 | Bushmills, i'm on ati's site now, lookin' for 'em |
| 20:51.06 | maplebed | MrWax - there's an app called 'remind' |
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| 20:51.22 | Tramp | maplebed: yes, apparently this has changed from etch to lenny |
| 20:51.29 | Bushmills | ceil420: i'd probably try to use, for testing purposes, the vesa driver, and see whether the problems disappear. if they do, it could be taken as hint that the problems are driver related |
| 20:51.33 | maplebed | :( |
| 20:51.55 | maplebed | so... should I just break the netbase package and force it? |
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| 20:53.02 | ceil420 | Bushmills, so i shouldn't install ati's latest driver? and is it just an apt-get install vesa for the one you're on about? |
| 20:53.04 | stew | maplebed: no, why would you need to break netbase? |
| 20:53.49 | maplebed | I'm not very good at forcing packages, but when I came in here the other day, someone (you?) mentioned I could try 'aptitude install openbsd-inetd- xinetd' to get it to exchange. |
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| 20:53.55 | maplebed | Part of the output of that command has: |
| 20:54.05 | Bushmills | ceil420: it is most likely that the vesa drivers are on our system already |
| 20:54.14 | maplebed | The following packages are BROKEN: |
| 20:54.14 | maplebed | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:54.47 | ceil420 | Bushmills, how do i check? apt can't find a package 'vesa' :x |
| 20:54.47 | stew | maplebed: you shouldn't need to force packages |
| 20:55.43 | maplebed | stew - problem is that when I try to install xinetd, it says I need to uninstall openbsd-inetd, which then says I need to uninsstall *everything* internet related (bind, apache, yadda yadda) |
| 20:55.55 | Bushmills | ceil420: try dpkg -l | grep vesa |
| 20:55.56 | maplebed | is not very good with package alternatives |
| 20:56.11 | ceil420 | ii xserver-xorg-video-vesa 1:1.3.0-4 X.Org X server -- VESA display driver |
| 20:57.02 | ceil420 | i can't even find the line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf telling me what driver it's using :x |
| 20:57.04 | MrWax | maplebed: is there a way of gathering information about a package without installing it? |
| 20:57.08 | MrWax | apart from googling for it |
| 20:57.17 | maplebed | MrWax: apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 20:57.18 | ceil420 | it's supposed to be under "Device" isn't it? |
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| 20:57.27 | maplebed | MrWax: so I would say "apt-cache show remind" for you. |
| 20:57.45 | MrWax | ok thanks |
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| 20:58.50 | maplebed | stew - does my issue make sense? or is there something totally elementary that I'm missing? |
| 20:59.04 | stew | maplebed: hmm, doesn't seem to want to do that for me. does "aptitude -f install" by itself want to do anything? if you need to make your system think that inet-superserver is installed, you'd use equivs: /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 20:59.52 | maplebed | aptitude -f install has a couple of packages kept back, but I think that's just cuz I haven't ran apt-get upgrade in a while. |
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| 21:00.37 | maplebed | stew - you're testing on etch or lenny? because of what was said earlier, it seems that this conflict was fixed on lenny by adding xinetd to the inet-superserver virtual package. |
| 21:01.38 | torr | is there a way to have two server that are exactly the same so if one fails, the other still work with all applications? |
| 21:02.05 | torr | is there some package or something that makes that? |
| 21:02.25 | maplebed | torr: have you looked up http://linux-ha.org/ ? |
| 21:02.38 | maplebed | (not specifically debian related, but sounds like you're talking about HA) |
| 21:02.40 | torr | not yet maplebed |
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| 21:05.51 | maplebed | torr - my guess is that what you want to accomplish is much more complicated than just mirroring two hosts though. but if all you want is to make one machine identical to another, dd (or some other drive mirroring method) usually works, with a little tweaking... not exactly plug-n-play though. |
| 21:05.53 | torr | is HA a cluster? |
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| 21:06.47 | torr | maplebed, I want something like a cluster of two nodes that can work without any one of the nodes |
| 21:07.09 | AVRS2 | Hello. I am using lenny/sid, and, around the end of August, while updating pam, told it to restart xscreensaver (because it was in the list pam or dpkg has given me). Since then, xscreensaver wouldn't accept my (non-empty) password to unlock. |
| 21:07.11 | Serajewe1KS | has anyone been having issues with stock 2.6.26 deadlocking? |
| 21:07.17 | Bushmills | torr, consider an external scsi array, with dual host controllers connected to it. of course you want to run those in a raid config |
| 21:07.22 | AVRS2 | Apparently it's all my fault, as there don't seem any such bugs on this version of pam filed anywhere, but then I have no idea what to do next (save for finding a recent previous version of pam) |
| 21:07.30 | maplebed | torr: the problem is that "work" is dependent on the application. for examlpe, a database will have a much harder time than a static web server. |
| 21:07.34 | Bushmills | torr, that way both machines access the same disks |
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| 21:08.08 | stew | maplebed: i'm running "aptitude -s install xinetd" in etch. it doesn't want to remove anything. i don't see why it would, xinetd and openbsd-inetd don't conflict afaict |
| 21:08.13 | torr | Bushmills, but what if the psu of the raid fail? |
| 21:08.21 | AVRS2 | Has anyone seen such thing happen, or could you point me to how to fix that? |
| 21:08.34 | Bushmills | you want to use redundant power supply, of course |
| 21:08.58 | torr | ah |
| 21:09.06 | stew | maplebed: i seem to be running inetutils-inetd and not openbsd-inetd, but i don't think that should make a difference |
| 21:09.08 | maplebed | stew - I see what's different now... I wanted to remove openbsd-inetd because even though the packages may not conflict, they both basically provide the same service (a superserver) and so to keep my box clean I didnn't want two superserver pcakages both installed. |
| 21:09.14 | torr | Bushmills, what if the mobo of the raid fails |
| 21:09.16 | Serajewe1KS | 2.6.25+ have been pretty unstable for me and i'm curious if anyone else has seen deadlocks on their systems |
| 21:09.45 | maplebed | stew - so I wanted to *only* have xinetd installed, not either inetutils-inetd *or* openbsd-inetd. That's where my problems began. |
| 21:09.48 | Bushmills | torr that's why you have the second machine, to jump into place. look at heartbeat for that |
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| 21:10.02 | torr | ok |
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| 21:10.14 | torr | Is hartbeat a cluster? |
| 21:10.16 | MrWax | Anyone in here using Links primary for reading just information on the web? |
| 21:10.19 | maplebed | stew - so I guess the easy answer is to just disable whichever one is there (openbsd-inetd or inetutils-inetd) in /etc/defaults and leave the package installed. |
| 21:10.22 | torr | is there a cluster project for debian? |
| 21:10.35 | assasukasse | i am wondering if anyone has managed to fix the infamous bug of broken kernel-headers build by debian tools..till now the resulting headers produced "debian way" from a custom kernel are rubbish..and i am tired of waiting for an important bug which has been reported in 2.6.24 |
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| 21:10.57 | Bushmills | one component of distributed server software. the part which does the switchover signalling |
| 21:11.32 | maplebed | torr - heartbeat is not a cluster in the way that, say, the beowolf project or a ROCKS setup is a clutser, but it does provide for high availabiity , which is what you're describing. I would recommend reading some more liturature out there to get a firm grasp of the terminology and then the answers you get here will make more sense. |
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| 21:12.39 | torr | sure |
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| 21:15.10 | BarthezZ | any swedish guy available to translate 1 line of text? ;x |
| 21:15.37 | masus | hi all a newbie question : WINDOWS-1254 doesnt exist with recode does anyone know howto add the charset ? |
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| 21:16.54 | AVRS2 | masus: does windows-1254 exist with it? |
| 21:17.09 | AVRS2 | Or CP1254/CR-LF |
| 21:17.36 | AVRS2 | masus: Or just 1254/CR-LF. Or maybe ms-turk is the same. |
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| 21:18.00 | AVRS2 | recode -l |
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| 21:18.19 | masus | AVRS2: recode -l | grep WINDOWS / CP874 WINDOWS-874 / CP1258 WINDOWS-1258 |
| 21:18.31 | masus | AVRS2: thats all the output for WINDOWS |
| 21:18.56 | AVRS2 | masus: use lowercase |
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| 21:19.20 | masus | AVRS2: :S yes u are right |
| 21:19.24 | AVRS2 | In the grep case, use "-i" to make it case-insensitive |
| 21:19.34 | masus | AVRS2: but in suse it uses uppercase |
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| 21:19.39 | masus | so i have typed |
| 21:19.39 | masus | :/ |
| 21:19.41 | masus | sorry |
| 21:19.56 | masus | AVRS2: thank u |
| 21:20.03 | AVRS2 | no problem |
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| 21:20.44 | ceil420 | how do i make it so i can go to tty1-6? |
| 21:20.50 | masus | AVRS2: i have a problem with recode can u help me ? |
| 21:20.58 | Bushmills | ceil420: chvt 1 ( .. 6) |
| 21:21.13 | AVRS2 | masus: what's the problem? |
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| 21:21.26 | ceil420 | Bushmills, Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console |
| 21:21.31 | masus | AVRS2: the problem is that i can execute it on the console fine but with php "exec" it doesnt do anything |
| 21:21.44 | Bushmills | insufficient privileges. try as root |
| 21:21.46 | torr | maplebed, I mean in cluster something like MOSIX |
| 21:21.47 | masus | AVRS2: without any error he do nothing |
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| 21:22.05 | ceil420 | Bushmills, i'd really like to use tty1-6 as a regular user.. |
| 21:22.52 | Bushmills | use key combinations, or set chvt suid |
| 21:22.54 | masus | AVRS2: i have linked recode to /bin/recode |
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| 21:23.03 | AVRS2 | masus: I don't know; but you probably don't want to use recode for that. Also, recode is a Perl program for (IIRC) files. |
| 21:23.11 | masus | AVRS2: and thats the code exec("recode windows-1254 /tmp/test1.csv"); |
| 21:23.30 | ceil420 | Bushmills, ctrl+alt+F1 seems like it disconnects my monitor |
| 21:23.36 | AVRS2 | masus: There might be a special function in PHP? |
| 21:23.45 | ceil420 | i get the 'video device unplugged' or whatever screen on my display |
| 21:23.54 | masus | but i have to execute it on the server |
| 21:23.56 | maplebed | torr: mosix looks to me like a cluster computing grid, which is definitely not the same as HA or failover, which is what you originally described... are you actually interested in clustering or do you want failover and HA? |
| 21:23.57 | AVRS2 | masus: I mean, for recoding |
| 21:24.16 | masus | no there is only one recode for strings |
| 21:24.22 | masus | not for files |
| 21:24.48 | maplebed | "if one fails the other continues to work" is not really the main goal of most clustering solutions, though it usually is a side effect. |
| 21:24.49 | AVRS2 | Not sure, but I think using files like that might be a security problem. |
| 21:24.55 | torr | maplebed, what I want is failover and HA, but I thought why not also have process migration for loadbalancing |
| 21:25.05 | torr | maplebed, and thats like mosix |
| 21:25.23 | AVRS2 | masus: do you need to recode uploaded files or something? |
| 21:25.57 | maplebed | torr: sounds like feature creep to me... |
| 21:25.58 | torr | maplebed, I didn't follow that topic for a long time, so I thought that maybe by now debain can be made into a cluster with some package |
| 21:26.12 | maplebed | torr: to answer your question though, I don't know if there is one packaged for debian - I haven't looked. |
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| 21:28.33 | stew | torr: there are two completely different kinds of clusters, high availablility and parallel computing. you want high availability, right? |
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| 21:29.09 | torr | stew, right |
| 21:29.25 | stew | torr: check out the docs at ultramonkey.org |
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| 21:31.57 | maplebed | that looks like a nice collection of docs / glue pulling in the standard HA stuff together. |
| 21:31.59 | maplebed | cool! |
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| 21:32.06 | piranesi | is it possible to have a working installation of nspluginwrapper under lenny? |
| 21:32.20 | stew | piranesi: yes |
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| 21:33.21 | piranesi | stew, I tried to compile it, it doesn't work, the package in the repos doesn't work, so how can I do? I always get nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found when I install plugins |
| 21:33.53 | stew | piranesi: the package in the repositories was working without problems for me. have you checked the bts? |
| 21:34.10 | piranesi | stew, are you under x86_64 ? |
| 21:34.13 | stew | piranesi: yes |
| 21:34.44 | piranesi | stew, the bts? what is it? |
| 21:34.51 | stew | !bts |
| 21:34.51 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 21:35.27 | piranesi | stew, I think that if you have it working, it should work for me too... |
| 21:35.40 | mija | can someone tell how how i find out the momentan fstab table |
| 21:35.44 | mija | without /etc/fstab |
| 21:35.46 | Philluminati | Any debian developers here who use iTunes? |
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| 21:36.11 | stew | mija: what does "momentan" mean? |
| 21:36.21 | mija | at the moment |
| 21:36.23 | mija | ;=) |
| 21:36.26 | mija | sorry for german |
| 21:36.33 | mija | because i have a big problem |
| 21:36.49 | stew | mija: /etc/mtab or /proc/mounts |
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| 21:36.53 | piranesi | stew, this is my problem http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481270 |
| 21:37.25 | kayfouroh | Is there a way to append a string to a username upon login if no local users were found? |
| 21:37.33 | mija | ah shitt... stew... thanks for your help |
| 21:37.36 | mija | but im death |
| 21:37.37 | mija | ;( |
| 21:37.56 | stew | piranesi: you are running "nspluginwrapper -i libflashplayer.so"? |
| 21:37.57 | Philluminati | Any debian developers here? |
| 21:38.06 | stew | Philluminati: there are, why? |
| 21:38.44 | mija | i had made a rsync from a 32bit machine to a 64 bit machine and made a space... so the full content has writen to / |
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| 21:38.44 | mija | . /bin /etc /dev is replaced |
| 21:38.49 | mija | what can i do |
| 21:38.52 | mija | ;( |
| 21:39.00 | AVRS2 | masus: sorry, I've confused recode with rename, which is a Perl program that uses Perl "rename" function to rename files. |
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| 21:39.13 | Philluminati | Well I went to an iTunes festival and they gave me a card that entitles me to 10 free downloads from iTunes. I don't really use it and since I'm a fan of Debian I thought I'd offer it up to any debian developers that might want it |
| 21:39.21 | piranesi | stew, yes but I'm running it with the full path of libflashplayer.so |
| 21:39.22 | Philluminati | It runs out 30th Sept |
| 21:39.24 | ceil420 | how can i install linux-headers-2.6.24-1-amd64 ? |
| 21:39.34 | torr | stew, maplebed , thanks, but I wonder if there is a better way implemented |
| 21:39.39 | stew | piranesi: why not just "aptitude intaall flashplugin-nonfree"? |
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| 21:40.29 | piranesi | stew, because it's not in the repositories and because now I'm curious about the fact that even the version compiled form source doesn't work |
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| 21:42.01 | maplebed | torr: I think most people either just use something like what's done at ultra monkey (or build their own equivalent using heartbeat) or build a pair of hardware loadbalancers and rely on paying someone else to solve the HA problem. It's actually pretty difficult to get right and not as generalizable as you might hope (IMO). |
| 21:42.23 | masus | AVRS2: np |
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| 21:42.38 | livindaylight | hi |
| 21:42.44 | torr | ok |
| 21:42.48 | livindaylight | can someone advise me, please? |
| 21:43.14 | n3kl | livindaylight: ask |
| 21:43.15 | ceil420 | hello? |
| 21:43.15 | livindaylight | i'm installing debianppc via netinstall and i'm asked whether to opt for a mirror or not. |
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| 21:43.29 | n3kl | yes |
| 21:43.35 | livindaylight | if i don't choose a mirror i'll end up with a very minimal base system |
| 21:44.03 | n3kl | you pretty much need a mirror to make your system usefull |
| 21:44.13 | rxMokka | is there some documentation on setup for using pool from a valid cdrom repository, without using the apt-cdrom tool? |
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| 21:44.30 | ceil420 | http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/linux-headers-2.6.24-1-amd64 |
| 21:44.45 | ceil420 | so how can i install it? |
| 21:44.59 | lepine_w | for mysql, can one create an /etc/default/mysql to specify the start up params? or would that be in /etc/mysql/my.cnf? |
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| 21:45.52 | maplebed | ceil420: /msg dpkg backport |
| 21:46.15 | ceil420 | maplebed, the package doesn't seem to exist.. |
| 21:46.39 | maplebed | you're right, it's difficult to install packages that don't exist. |
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| 21:46.51 | masus | AVRS2: yes it's for uploaded files, and after the upload i have to load the file into mysql |
| 21:46.59 | ceil420 | well i need the kernel headers to install a video driver |
| 21:47.04 | ceil420 | so how do i install said headers? |
| 21:47.58 | maplebed | you probably want the headers that are appropriate for your kernel, rather than specifically that version of the headers... |
| 21:48.10 | ceil420 | maplebed, that is my kernel\ |
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| 21:49.01 | livindaylight | ok, another question: i am installing debianppc on an iBook G3 500mhz in other words a very old laptop. I want to install debian with enlightenment WM... It is now asking whether i want to put an asterisk [*] by Desktop Environement. If i choose Desktop Environment it will install Gnome or Kde presumably? |
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| 21:49.28 | drbair_work | mount.cifs is causing a kernel oops in Lenny, should this be filed as a kernel bug or a samba bug? |
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| 21:49.38 | livindaylight | if i just want a debian cli do i leave Desktop Environment and install Enlightenment later? |
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| 21:49.48 | rxMokka | could it be as simple as mounting the cdrom I want to /mnt/cdrm, and adding a 'deb file:/mnt/cdrom/ etch main' ? |
| 21:50.07 | drbair_work | (kerberos related) |
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| 21:50.15 | rxMokka | */mnt/cdrom |
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| 21:50.33 | wols_ | rxMokka: you only need the proper sources.list entry |
| 21:50.42 | wols_ | rxMokka: whzy can't you use apt-cdrom? |
| 21:50.52 | unop | rxMokka, apt-cdrom does it right. |
| 21:51.14 | dmoerner | livindaylight: you can do that. if you want to use enlightenment then for e16 just aptitude install xorg enlightenment; for e17 then enable experimental and aptitude install xorg && aptitude install -t experimental e17 |
| 21:51.29 | rxMokka | wols_: unop having trouble getting apt-cdrom's outputs to actually use the cdrom... seems to be falling through to network mirrors for some reason |
| 21:51.31 | craigevil | livindaylight: yes only choose dekstop env if you want gnome, just as easy to install what you want later |
| 21:51.48 | wols_ | rxMokka: pastebin your sources.list after you did the apt-cdrom part |
| 21:51.51 | maplebed | sorry, ceil420, that's all I've got . it's probably a broken solution, but since the headers aren't actually compiled you could probably just grab them from kernels.org or something. I don't know the Debian Way to do what you want. |
| 21:51.58 | livindaylight | and what is the Laptop option? |
| 21:52.18 | ceil420 | -_- |
| 21:52.21 | craigevil | a bunch of laptop utilities |
| 21:52.21 | unop | rxMokka, you mean apt (or apt-get) doesn't pull packages off of the cdrom? but goes to network mirrors instead? |
| 21:52.37 | livindaylight | dmoerner: how do i enable experimental? |
| 21:52.38 | rxMokka | I have a feeling it has to do with being inside of virtualPC environment |
| 21:52.45 | ceil420 | $ conky |
| 21:52.45 | ceil420 | No protocol specified |
| 21:52.45 | ceil420 | Conky: can't open display: :0.0 |
| 21:52.48 | craigevil | e17 is in sid |
| 21:52.52 | rxMokka | unop: aptitude, but yes that is the behavior |
| 21:53.01 | wols_ | ceil420: is X running? |
| 21:53.05 | ceil420 | well how can i fix that? it seems that trying to install a video driver has made it so i can't open display ;x |
| 21:53.07 | rxMokka | I believe I tried apt as well, but do not recall positively |
| 21:53.10 | ceil420 | wols_, i'm in xchat |
| 21:53.13 | dmoerner | craigevil: thanks for the tip i didn't realize they moved it in from experimental |
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| 21:53.21 | dmoerner | livindaylight: ignore what i said, you only need sid for e17 |
| 21:53.28 | wols_ | ceil420: conky runs udner what user? |
| 21:53.37 | ceil420 | me |
| 21:53.38 | unop | rxMokka, well, the cdrom might not have the packages you wish to install - in which case, apt will look elsewhere. |
| 21:53.43 | wols_ | ceil420: btw, what videodriver did you install and where did you get it? |
| 21:53.44 | livindaylight | do i asterisk Laptop ? or just Standard system? |
| 21:53.48 | rahsputin | hi, i just made # adduser wxyz in hope of being able to turn off as many applications as possible for this user... how can i do so? |
| 21:53.48 | rahsputin | turn off applications^^^^ |
| 21:53.49 | dmoerner | craigevil: actually, are you sure? rmadison disagrees e17 | 0.16.999.043-1 | experimental | source, amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc |
| 21:53.53 | ceil420 | it's not program-specific; i can't load synaptic, audacious, or another xterm either |
| 21:53.56 | wols_ | rxMokka: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 21:54.00 | rxMokka | unop: it does, I verified by hand that the kernel I'm after is infact under the pool |
| 21:54.06 | Lagbolt | livindaylight, if you want laptop tools you should |
| 21:54.11 | ceil420 | wols_, i haven't been able to install a video driver, because i don't have the linux headers |
| 21:54.12 | unop | rxMokka, see what wols_ just said. |
| 21:54.19 | wols_ | ceil420: uname -a |
| 21:54.23 | craigevil | hm you might be right apt-cache search e17 doesnt show anything |
| 21:54.41 | wols_ | !e17 |
| 21:54.41 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 21:54.50 | ceil420 | wols_, i tried with module-assistant to 'auto-install fglrx-kernel-src', but that didn't work. i think that's when i lost ability to load graphical programs |
| 21:54.55 | dmoerner | is that factoid supposed to be some long-lost joke? |
| 21:55.02 | masus | AVRS2: are u there ? |
| 21:55.04 | ceil420 | wols_, Linux mekare 2.6.24-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat May 10 09:28:10 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:55.08 | wols_ | E17 is not in debian in any shape way or form. /msg dpkg DR17 |
| 21:55.20 | dmoerner | wols_: e17 is in experimental |
| 21:55.23 | wols_ | ceil420: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 21:55.41 | ceil420 | wols_, ii libc6 2.7-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 21:55.41 | wols_ | dmoerner: /msg dpkg experimental |
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| 21:55.48 | rxMokka | wols_: will do, when I next have access to the vpc machine. what should I be looking for here? just looking to make sure cdrom repo is listed, and has higher prioroty number than the net mirror? |
| 21:55.55 | livindaylight | dmoerner: so once i finish install i do aptitude xorg enlightenment ? this will install xorg + e16? |
| 21:56.08 | wols_ | rxMokka: update your kernel |
| 21:56.16 | timob_2 | hi, how do i write to standard error from a script (not redirect it to a file)? |
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| 21:56.41 | dmoerner | livindaylight: you have to do aptitude install xorg enlightenment, but yes that will install xorg and e16 |
| 21:56.51 | wols_ | rxMokka: and this time immediately install the headers too |
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| 21:57.04 | wols_ | timob_2: #bash |
| 21:57.04 | AVRS2 | masus: yes. Sorry, can't help with PHP. If you need to put the data into MySQL, not necessarily feed it as a file, you probably want to do that in memory, if it is not too big. Don't take my word on that, but I guess temporary files should be avoided. |
| 21:57.29 | craigevil | livindaylight: enlightenment has been a buggy beta forever, why not use something that works like fluxbox, icewm, or even xfce |
| 21:57.31 | rxMokka | wols_: its a fresh install, and I'm trying to swap fro a different kernel, of the same version that is avail on the cdrom |
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| 21:57.48 | JordiGH | Aw, man. usplash looks nice, but my ttys don't work anymore. Any idea how to fix them? I get black screen with green blinking blocks. |
| 21:57.52 | wols_ | rxMokka: you run sid. sid can't be directly installed from CD |
| 21:57.53 | ahboi | how can i tell what desktop im running ie: gnome, kde |
| 21:58.03 | AVRS2 | masus: but that'd probably be a PHP problem, not Debian |
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| 21:58.06 | rxMokka | wols_: I'm having to boot in from a rescue and chroot, I'll update full system as soon as I get a running kernel |
| 21:58.13 | rxMokka | wols_: who says I run sid? |
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| 21:58.20 | wols_ | hmm. seems lenny hzas that libc6 too |
| 21:58.21 | namedle | Hello, how can i reinstall my Debian 4.0 on a dedicated server? |
| 21:58.24 | livindaylight | craigevil: i was recommended to use Enlightenment by someone who also has an iBook G3... i tried xfce but it was a bit on the heavy side |
| 21:58.32 | ceil420 | ahboi, if your menu button is a foot, gnome; a gear, kde |
| 21:58.38 | wols_ | rxMokka: why don't you have a running kernel? |
| 21:58.45 | JordiGH | ahboi: See if "ps aux | grep -i metacity", gnome, "ps aux | grep kwin", kde. |
| 21:58.50 | wols_ | rxMokka: first get a running system. THEN install video drivers |
| 21:58.51 | ahboi | aww thank you |
| 21:58.53 | rxMokka | wols_: virtualpc does not like the default, so I'm switching it... |
| 21:59.02 | ceil420 | hmm |
| 21:59.05 | rxMokka | wols_: you must have me confused with someone else... I'm not doing anything with video drivers |
| 21:59.14 | rxMokka | wols_: I'm running a server system with console only |
| 21:59.15 | wols_ | right. ceil does |
| 21:59.25 | JordiGH | Hey, nice the 2.6.26 kernel now lets me check another temperature sensor. |
| 21:59.28 | ceil420 | i does what? |
| 21:59.42 | ceil420 | oh, i'm on the system i'm on about, so it is running |
| 21:59.49 | namedle | Hello, how can i reinstall my Debian 4.0 on a dedicated server? ( I am already running debian 4.0, but i want to re-install it ) Is it possible, without having to put a cd to the box? |
| 21:59.56 | ceil420 | there's just no debian package for 2.6.24 kernel headers |
| 22:00.06 | livindaylight | craigevil: i'm actually doing this for a friend who knows even less than me about computers. he inherited this old laptop from his son, and i'm trying to revive it. So, it needs to be userfriendly. Hence i need abalance between speed and functionality... fluxbox and ice are a bit austere? |
| 22:00.07 | Tapout | !debian |
| 22:00.07 | dpkg | methinks debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 22:00.09 | wols_ | ceil420: so install a current lenny or sid kernel |
| 22:00.12 | Tapout | !teamspeak-server |
| 22:00.16 | Tapout | !teamspeak |
| 22:00.16 | dpkg | from memory, teamspeak is proprietary Voice over IP software that allows users to speak on a chat channel with other users, much like a telephone conference call. A TeamSpeak user will often wear a headset with an integrated microphone. Users use the TeamSpeak client software to connect to a TeamSpeak server of their choice, from there they can join chat channels. |
| 22:00.20 | wols_ | ceil420: cause it's a damn old kernel. install a current one |
| 22:00.24 | ceil420 | wols_, i burned this Lenny CD Sunday, and installed it Monday |
| 22:00.39 | ceil420 | how quickly does Lenny move? |
| 22:00.44 | wols_ | ceil420: it's still an old kernel. and no matter your excuses it will stay old. get a fucking new kernel |
| 22:00.45 | rxMokka | so the short of it, will or won't this work if I have my install cd mounted to /mnt/cdrom and pool being in the root directory, 'deb file:/mnt/cdrom/ stable main non-free'? |
| 22:00.51 | ceil420 | how? |
| 22:00.52 | JordiGH | ceil420: the lenny... she moves so fast... |
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| 22:01.00 | wols_ | rxMokka: apt mounts the cdrom on its own |
| 22:01.02 | rxMokka | of course running aptitude update after inserting the line |
| 22:01.15 | wols_ | rxMokka: apt-cache policy package! |
| 22:01.18 | rxMokka | wols_: thats the problem... apt-cdrom is not properly finding or utilizing my cdrom |
| 22:01.28 | ceil420 | wols_, can i just apt-get a new kernel? |
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| 22:01.31 | wols_ | rxMokka: if you ignore what I say, I ignore you. have a nice day |
| 22:01.36 | wols_ | ceil420: yes |
| 22:01.42 | rahsputin | Is it possible to umount the /home DIR cp -a it to for example a large enough USB-Stick, resize the original "/home" Partition and cp the /home DIR back to the new Partition without messing anything up ? |
| 22:01.46 | wols_ | ceil420: and this time apt-get the new headers too at the same time |
| 22:01.48 | masus | AVRS2: yes i know but nobody knows it on the php channel :( , do u have php installed ? can u try it for me so i can understand that it's not work by me ? |
| 22:01.55 | ceil420 | $ apt-cache search linux-2.6 |
| 22:01.55 | ceil420 | linux-patch-debian-2.6.26 - Debian patches to version 2.6.26 of the Linux kernel |
| 22:01.56 | wols_ | rxMokka: yes |
| 22:02.02 | ceil420 | wols_, install that and the new headers, then reboot? |
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| 22:02.10 | wols_ | ceil420: no. linux-image |
| 22:02.15 | AVRS2 | masus: I don't have it installed, sorry |
| 22:02.18 | rxMokka | wols_: I told you, I don't have access to the virtualpc box currently... but what should I be looking for in the policy output? I have no pinnings set |
| 22:02.19 | ceil420 | searches |
| 22:02.33 | JordiGH | namedle: Reinstalling Debian from a running Debian sounds complicated. You can reinstall almost all the packages you currently have installed, clear the /home directory, and purge most packages, does that help? |
| 22:02.54 | rxMokka | masus: pvt me with your php problem I'll see ifI can help |
| 22:03.14 | ceil420 | wols_, so: sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 linux-headers-2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 22:03.16 | ceil420 | then reboot? |
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| 22:04.47 | livindaylight | craigevil: am i limited to the apps i can install using fluxbox? |
| 22:04.52 | JordiGH | Before I start guessing randomly (change the vga=### kernel option and stuff), any idea how I can get back my ttys if I use usplash? |
| 22:04.53 | masus | rxMokka: i use irssi and im new with that gui i dont know how to make private messages |
| 22:05.01 | masus | can i write here ? |
| 22:05.14 | JordiGH | masus: /query rxMokka |
| 22:05.20 | masus | ok thanks |
| 22:05.31 | Tapout | is it ok to install a SID (teamspeak-server non-free) package on etch? |
| 22:05.48 | ceil420 | Tapout, i think that's what backports are for |
| 22:06.13 | JordiGH | Tapout: If apt actually lets you install it (it might, I guess as a non-free package it uses static linking), then sure. Make sure it doesn't pull in any other sid dependencies. |
| 22:06.59 | livindaylight | so i become Root [su] and then aptitude install xorg fluxbox? |
| 22:07.02 | Tapout | ceil420, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=teamspeak-server&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=etch-backports |
| 22:07.07 | Tapout | JordiGH, ok thanks |
| 22:08.06 | livindaylight | dmoerner: i can also do aptitude install xorg fluxbox? |
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| 22:08.14 | JordiGH | Tapout: np mate |
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| 22:08.54 | rxMokka | livindaylight: installing fluxbox should install xorg as a dependency |
| 22:09.00 | rahsputi1 | sorry i got disconnected , did my questiion get answered ? |
| 22:09.05 | dmoerner | livindaylight: yes |
| 22:09.08 | dmoerner | rxMokka: no |
| 22:09.14 | rahsputi1 | Is it possible to umount the /home DIR cp -a it to for example a large enough USB-Stick, resize the original "/home" Partition and cp the /home DIR back to the new Partition without messing anything up ? |
| 22:09.17 | rxMokka | dmoerner: x is not a dep of fluxbox? |
| 22:09.26 | rxMokka | someone needs to shoot the packager then... |
| 22:09.32 | livindaylight | is fluxbox better than e16? |
| 22:09.32 | rxMokka | fluxbox will not run under Y windowing protocol |
| 22:09.33 | dmoerner | no... |
| 22:09.54 | dmoerner | rxMokka: window managers don't depend on xorg, in general, just like any x app |
| 22:10.15 | rahsputi1 | hello |
| 22:10.16 | rxMokka | dmoerner: they certainly can not function without xorg |
| 22:10.28 | intr80__ | rahsputi1 : yes, thats reasonable |
| 22:10.32 | rxMokka | unless xfree is still avail |
| 22:10.32 | intr80__ | just be careful. |
| 22:10.41 | ceil420 | livindaylight, i don't think so, but flux does have it's fans |
| 22:10.44 | stew | rxMokka: they don't have to run on the same machine as the xserver |
| 22:10.45 | rxMokka | in whichcase wm should depend on a metapackage that is satisfied by either xfree or xorg |
| 22:10.49 | JordiGH | rahsputi1: sounds good to me. |
| 22:11.12 | stew | rxMokka: no, they don't depend on an xserver being installed on the machine they are running on, so they package dependency doesn't need to exist |
| 22:11.37 | dmoerner | rxMokka: as stew said, xserver-xorg is precisely that: a server. you could have a client running x apps on a xserver on another system |
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| 22:12.45 | dmoerner | rxMokka: also, forcing such apps to depend on X for convenience sake would make using tools like piuparts much slower |
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| 22:13.30 | rxMokka | dmoerner: true, I did not realise that wm, like client apps, could connect to a _remote_ x server |
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| 22:19.25 | livindaylight | dmoerner: when that's done i just reboot and hopefully come to a graphical login page? or do i have to install xdm as well? |
| 22:20.02 | rxMokka | have to run startx if you don't use a display manager(gui login) |
| 22:20.45 | livindaylight | i want to set this system up so that when one boots up one arrives at a graphical login page |
| 22:20.48 | nkuttler | rxMokka: ? |
| 22:21.10 | rxMokka | nkuttler: re livindaylight query on xdm? |
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| 22:21.30 | livindaylight | rxMokka: i don't understand? |
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| 22:22.04 | nkuttler | livindaylight: yeah, install xdm |
| 22:22.13 | rxMokka | livindaylight: to get into x, without using a display manager(xdm, gdm, kdm), you have to manually start your xserver via the startx command... if you want it automatic, you need a display manager |
| 22:22.41 | livindaylight | right, and what do install xdm, gdm, or kdm? |
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| 22:24.00 | stew | livindaylight: any of those will work |
| 22:24.17 | nkuttler | livindaylight: xdm has less dependencies |
| 22:24.29 | livindaylight | thx, i've installed xdm |
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| 22:30.03 | dmoerner | livindaylight: if you want something a bit nicer in appearance you can try slim |
| 22:30.26 | rxMokka | <3 slim |
| 22:30.47 | livindaylight | dmoerner: link? |
| 22:31.07 | livindaylight | ok, i've come to xdm and its just one big blurry screen :( |
| 22:31.51 | n3kl | livindaylight: without xdm, can you start x? |
| 22:32.31 | livindaylight | n3kl: i don't know, because i didn't try startx before and now it just boots up into xdm |
| 22:32.34 | datacrusher | how do i make joliet dvd images with genisoimage? isnt just -J |
| 22:32.57 | n3kl | gpg is usually for message delivery, but how reliable is it for encrypting data, like images, or tar files or stuff like that? |
| 22:33.44 | livindaylight | how do i bypass xdm and go into recovery on a ppc install? |
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| 22:36.15 | n3kl | livindaylight: so switch to a terminal with ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 22:36.27 | n3kl | log in and stop xdm with, /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
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| 22:37.24 | n3kl | it sounds to me like you x is messed up, so do, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 22:38.29 | livindaylight | n3kl: don't see how to get into rescue mode |
| 22:38.44 | livindaylight | i boot up and it just goes straight to xdm |
| 22:38.57 | n3kl | livindaylight: there is no "rescue mode" There is single user mode, but I don't you care about that right now |
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| 22:39.16 | livindaylight | and i can't log in because the screen is all fuzzy |
| 22:39.20 | n3kl | yeah, like I said, crtl+alt+f1 |
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| 22:39.31 | livindaylight | ahh |
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| 22:40.37 | trpr | n3kl: not sure what you mean by reliable, but i've used gpg lots to encrypt archives. its not nearly as convenient as using an encrypted fs though |
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| 22:41.19 | n3kl | trpr: my concernt is that encrypted fs has limits. What fs are you using? |
| 22:41.52 | livindaylight | n3kl: Use kernel framebuffer device interface? <Yes> or <No> ?? |
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| 22:42.20 | n3kl | livindaylight: if unsure, choose default |
| 22:42.23 | rxMokka | n3kl: pgp was used for file encryption long before it was popular to encrypt email via plugin |
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| 22:42.44 | trpr | truecrypt - it has been awhile since i have researched the options, but that allows me to use the same encrypted fs between linux/win, etc |
| 22:42.45 | n3kl | rxMokka: I thought it was designed for short messages? |
| 22:43.02 | rxMokka | main limitation of encrypted filesystems, is the tendency to cause user sloppiness :-P |
| 22:43.05 | livindaylight | n3kl: same with the keyboard variant: question? |
| 22:43.07 | n3kl | trpr: how do you like it, I have used luks and encfs, but never truecrypt |
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| 22:43.11 | n3kl | livindaylight: yes |
| 22:43.30 | rxMokka | n3kl: pgp even had disk encryption in older, and enterprise versions(still avail in latest CTK builds) |
| 22:43.52 | n3kl | hmm |
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| 22:44.24 | livindaylight | n3kl: keyboard options: lv3:lwin_switch or leave blank? |
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| 22:44.51 | n3kl | livindaylight: no idea, leave default |
| 22:45.01 | n3kl | livindaylight: most likely blank |
| 22:45.04 | rxMokka | livindaylight: switch key assignment, pick default, or hold hands? |
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| 22:45.59 | rxMokka | trpr: truecrypt is OS independent now, correct? had a hard time finding volume encryption programs that played nice w/ win/lin last time I looked |
| 22:47.11 | livindaylight | Method for selecting monitor characteristics: Simple/ Medium/Advanced? |
| 22:47.34 | n3kl | rxMokka: luks has a compatible windows version, not real mature, but it does work |
| 22:47.57 | n3kl | I tested it with loopback devices on a thumbdrive |
| 22:48.15 | n3kl | What is the best money management software for linux? |
| 22:48.28 | rxMokka | n3kl: isn't luks implemented at kernel level though? my past search was for something that worked at software application level in both OS |
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| 22:49.46 | livindaylight | n3kl: startx returns Fatal Error- Server is already active for display 0 If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock and start again ??? |
| 22:50.10 | livindaylight | xinit: unable to connect to X server |
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| 22:50.27 | livindaylight | do i have to install xinit? |
| 22:50.54 | n3kl | rxMokka: luks on linux uses cryptsetup which is a front end for dm-crypt. dm-crypt is kernel level, but luks is not. Luks is userspace afik. |
| 22:51.01 | tompaw | hi |
| 22:51.16 | tompaw | anyone using truecrypt with ext3?///// |
| 22:51.25 | n3kl | rxMokka: also check this out:http://www.freeotfe.org/ there is a portable version that does not need to be installed |
| 22:51.34 | tompaw | how can I 'tc-mount' a device withouf 'fs-mount'ing it? |
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| 22:51.38 | Amarande | I don't encrypt filesystems, it seems like a good way to lose your data |
| 22:51.45 | MrWax | how to add a line to a file on the next line? |
| 22:51.48 | n3kl | livindaylight: so crtl+alt+7 |
| 22:51.50 | MrWax | for example, echo blabla >> file |
| 22:51.52 | Lagbolt | Amarande, why would you lose your data? |
| 22:52.03 | n3kl | livindaylight: my guess is that you did not restart xdm like I told you to, did you? |
| 22:52.07 | Amarande | Lagbolt, if anything happens to the access codes, such as hard drive things forcing you to reformat? |
| 22:52.21 | Amarande | It also seems to me that an encrypted filesystem is much more vulnerable to corruption |
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| 22:52.31 | unop | MrWax, doesn't that do just what you want? |
| 22:52.36 | Lagbolt | Amarande, i have used debian for a long time and never been "forced" to reformat |
| 22:52.36 | n3kl | MrWax: that is pretty much the worst way to "edit" a file, but yeah |
| 22:52.40 | tompaw | Amarande: in my case, not encrypting filesystems may cause me to loose freedom :> |
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| 22:52.48 | MrWax | n3kl: -n or so? |
| 22:52.52 | n3kl | MrWax: >> is append |
| 22:52.52 | Amarande | Corruption that would be easily repaired on a normal fs, may utterly prevent you from decoding data on an encrypted one |
| 22:53.05 | n3kl | MrWax: -n or so? |
| 22:53.13 | Lagbolt | Amarande, and my encryption has survived power outages and years of stability :) |
| 22:53.13 | unop | MrWax, not needed |
| 22:53.15 | MrWax | yes |
| 22:53.22 | MrWax | what does -n do ? |
| 22:53.23 | n3kl | I don't follow |
| 22:53.25 | MrWax | when appending to a file? |
| 22:53.38 | n3kl | oh |
| 22:53.39 | n3kl | man echo |
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| 22:53.54 | MrWax | thanks |
| 22:54.01 | unop | MrWax, it strips the newline at the end |
| 22:54.16 | livindaylight | n3kl: like you told me to? |
| 22:54.17 | unop | MrWax, n3kl . help echo not man echo |
| 22:55.01 | livindaylight | n3kl: you told me to dpkg reconfigure x which i did ; then i did startx |
| 22:55.02 | n3kl | livindaylight: yeah, go back to a console and type: /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
| 22:55.11 | tompaw | SO |
| 22:55.13 | n3kl | livindaylight: now that you have a new config, you need to restart x so that it knows about it |
| 22:55.17 | tompaw | anyone using truecrypt? ;-) |
| 22:55.34 | n3kl | unop: why help echo, there is a manpage for echo |
| 22:55.38 | livindaylight | n3kl: as root? |
| 22:55.54 | n3kl | livindaylight: yes |
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| 22:56.13 | unop | n3kl, because, if your shell is bash (which is probably the case) - the builtin is used as opposed to the external binary at /bin/echo |
| 22:56.38 | unop | n3kl, probably the same case for other popular shells too |
| 22:56.45 | livindaylight | n3kl: same nasty screen |
| 22:57.06 | n3kl | livindaylight: what version of debian |
| 22:57.17 | livindaylight | n3kl: debian Etch ppc |
| 22:57.38 | n3kl | livindaylight: my guess is incorrect resolution or something |
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| 22:59.08 | n3kl | unop: hmm, that almost makes sense |
| 22:59.15 | n3kl | unop: I mean I get it, its just strange |
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| 23:00.26 | unop | n3kl, i think the reasoning for implementing utilities like echo, kill, etc as builtins is that when you have reached your process limit, you need to be able to get yourself out of the mess. |
| 23:00.28 | enouf | n3kl: right - all bash-builtins are accessible thtough "help <thing>" |
| 23:00.32 | livindaylight | n3kl: yea, i'm sure its something too |
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| 23:00.42 | enouf | n3kl: man bash-builtins :-P |
| 23:01.10 | n3kl | unop: makes sense if you think about it I guess |
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| 23:01.20 | n3kl | enouf: alright |
| 23:01.37 | enouf | n3kl: hey - unop also wrote a revised youtube.sh - allow him to show you ;-) it works, i tried it ;-) |
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| 23:01.51 | dmoerner | n3you also have a bash builtin in case you rm -rf /bin /usr/bin |
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| 23:02.13 | unop | enouf, heh, i was working on it in /tmp .. then had to reboot .. i don't have it anymore |
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| 23:02.26 | enouf | unop: haha - i do :-P |
| 23:02.43 | enouf | unop: see /etc/default/rcS |
| 23:02.46 | enouf | TMPTIME= |
| 23:02.50 | n3kl | livindaylight: you might start pasting your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and some of your /var/log/X* logs to see if someone in here can help you out |
| 23:02.52 | Amarande | dmoerner, I think when you do that it's generally an indication your system is hosed :) |
| 23:03.00 | enouf | mine's like 90 or something ;-) |
| 23:03.49 | enouf | haha - there's a man in your bowl http://b0.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01498/07/92/1498772970_thumb1.jpg :-P |
| 23:03.58 | unop | enouf, i'm fine with TMPTIME as it is, i just didn't see it as pertinent to save the file elsewhere (i mean, it's easily reproducable) - and, i am working on a revised perl script now. |
| 23:04.08 | n3kl | enouf: you really ran with that stuff, I had little to do with it |
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| 23:04.24 | n3kl | enouf: are you crawling out of a toilet? |
| 23:05.07 | enouf | unop: http://rafb.net/p/JaqUQ979.html and n3kl |
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| 23:06.22 | n3kl | enouf: that is a better regex, cleaner code |
| 23:07.13 | enouf | n3kl: i asked unop or anyone why that other guys version using all sed doesn't work - and he answers me by cleaning up the code of our version ;-P |
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| 23:08.04 | enouf | n3kl: however, it's not as versatile as ours + amphis refinements, yet .. afaict |
| 23:08.15 | unop | enouf, I still need to find a way to have the stream saved and played at the same time (preferably without two connections to the server). |
| 23:08.25 | dantix | hi there, I have a XEN box with several domus and nfs between them. I'm having problems with nfs (frecuently it hangs) and I'm suspecting that the debian version of nfs-kernel-server have some problem with xen kernel, so I want to compile it fro source. My question is: what should be the procedure to compile and obtain "something" installable on all others the domus? |
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| 23:08.43 | enouf | unop: i asked in mplayer as well a while back - i don't think you can - try #mplayer-dev |
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| 23:10.09 | jelly-home | unop: can't you play the saved file? |
| 23:10.25 | livindaylight | n3kl: how does one do that from cli? |
| 23:10.27 | jelly-home | the file being saved, that is |
| 23:10.33 | enouf | dantix: you want to compile and make a deb from debian source? |
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| 23:10.47 | unop | jelly-home, sure - though if it's a big file, it means waiting a bit |
| 23:10.56 | jelly-home | unop: why? |
| 23:11.01 | n3kl | !tell livindaylight about pastewithoutx |
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| 23:11.14 | enouf | !pastebin pipe |
| 23:11.14 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin pipe is Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.phppipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 23:11.19 | dantix | enouf yes |
| 23:11.37 | enouf | dantix: /msg dpkg package basics |
| 23:11.43 | enouf | dantix: /msg dpkg debain/rules |
| 23:11.55 | enouf | dantix: /msg dpkg dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 23:12.10 | n3kl | livindaylight: I gotta run, paste the stuff and see if someone can help |
| 23:12.13 | n3kl | livindaylight: good luck |
| 23:12.17 | n3kl | later guys |
| 23:12.23 | enouf | dantix: you want "deb-src .. " lines in sources.list |
| 23:12.33 | unop | jelly-home, for one, mplayer can find an EOF if the file is empty (being buffered) - two, mplayer finds an EOF if the file isn't being written to as fast as it is being played (if you get what i mean) |
| 23:12.50 | enouf | dantix: i misspelled debian in debian/rules :-P |
| 23:13.21 | dantix | enouf sorry but I don't know what /msg.... means :'( |
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| 23:13.32 | enouf | dantix: you do that in your irc client |
| 23:13.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | unop, just replay it with reduced speed *g* |
| 23:13.45 | puff | Anyone familiar with postfix/amavis/spamassassin? I set itup and it cut 95% of my spam, then aftera few months it appears to be catching nospam. Folks said to use sa-learn, so I said "okay, how do I use sa-learn site-wide?" and they said "uhmm....". So I googled and read tutorials and tried to set it up, but it apparently didn't work, because hundreds of spam are still getting through. Also, I'm looking for the bayse databas |
| 23:13.45 | puff | es and I can't find it either in /root/.spamassassin or in /etc/spamasasssin. |
| 23:13.57 | dantix | enouf thanks |
| 23:13.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | unop, but actually you're runnint into trouble anyways if the stream doesn't arrive in time |
| 23:13.58 | enouf | dantix: the channel bot called dpkgbot will send you a message back |
| 23:14.08 | unop | CutMeOwnThroat, my point exactly |
| 23:14.11 | jelly-home | unop: well, waiting for at least one buffer length to download is a given |
| 23:14.18 | dantix | enouf thanks so much |
| 23:14.23 | enouf | np |
| 23:14.43 | abrotman | puff: FWIW .. there is a #spamassassin |
| 23:14.51 | unop | jelly-home, well, there is no telling before-hand how long to wait |
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| 23:15.14 | puff | abrotman: Yeah, I asked there, but this seems to be more of a debian related question... |
| 23:15.28 | abrotman | it does? |
| 23:16.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | puff, I just realized my old university is removing quite some spam (2000 mails within about the last 1-2 years) for me - would it help you if I sent you one of those emails so you see which checks they use in the spamassassin header? |
| 23:16.19 | jelly-home | unop: I don't get it, assuming you're saving a stream, you only have to wait as much as you'd wait for the player to fill its normal buffer. |
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| 23:16.46 | jelly-home | unop: ie probably less than a minute. |
| 23:16.58 | enouf | jelly-home: you'd need to tee to -dumpstream and display |
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| 23:17.10 | enouf | and it doesn't work |
| 23:17.10 | puff | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm not sure I'm actually running spamassasssin correctly, yet. |
| 23:17.22 | enouf | so, i make two connections, one for each ; done |
| 23:17.25 | jelly-home | enouf: I'm talking about playing the file being saved |
| 23:17.35 | jelly-home | no tees |
| 23:17.47 | enouf | jelly-home: you mean stream => file => playback ? |
| 23:17.54 | jelly-home | enouf: yes. |
| 23:18.06 | enouf | well, never tried that |
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| 23:18.34 | jelly-home | enouf: you always wait for the download to finish? |
| 23:18.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I normally do... but of course it's indeed annoying - when the stream comes too slowly, the player exits |
| 23:18.54 | unop | jelly-home, well, it's easier said than done - I usually find myself downloading at a painfully low speed and then i have to wait over a minute for the buffer to be written out. |
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| 23:19.50 | puff | This is the tutorial I used for the initial setup: http://www.howtoforge.com/amavisd_postfix_debian_ubuntu |
| 23:20.01 | jelly-home | unop: that usually means you couldn't watch the stream with a normal player anyway |
| 23:20.15 | jelly-home | !tutorial |
| 23:20.15 | dpkg | methinks tutorial is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ |
| 23:20.18 | abrotman | puff: are you even getting SA scores in your mail ? |
| 23:20.31 | jelly-home | dpkg: not that one! |
| 23:20.31 | dpkg | jelly-home: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:20.37 | abrotman | assuming you're adding the SA headers |
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| 23:22.32 | hml | how do you cleanly shut down a machine when "# halt" just returns (as root) |
| 23:22.43 | puff | abrotman: I was, but they were all ridiculously low. However (just checked), after I tried to get it to use sa-learn, yesterday, it stoppedadding the SA headers, so obviously I messed something up. |
| 23:23.01 | abrotman | i'd say so |
| 23:23.09 | abrotman | hml: poweroff ? |
| 23:23.22 | hml | logged in as root, both "halt" and "shutdown -h now" do nothing -- they just return; is there a way I can tell the linux kernel to flush all disks + shut down? |
| 23:23.44 | Amarande | hml: telinit 0? |
| 23:23.58 | zinx | hml: urh, just power it off, it's probably compromised |
| 23:24.02 | hml | init 0 just returns |
| 23:24.09 | hml | crap, how do i check if i have been owned |
| 23:24.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | hml, you can umount the disks yourself |
| 23:24.14 | Amarande | hml, you probably hosed something |
| 23:24.20 | zinx | hml: do halt and shutdown -h now return without doing anything? |
| 23:24.32 | hml | they both return w/o doing anything vbisible |
| 23:24.34 | zinx | :P |
| 23:24.44 | zinx | umount -o ro,remount / |
| 23:24.46 | zinx | for every mount |
| 23:24.53 | hml | root@x:~# halt; shutdown -H now; shutdown -P now; |
| 23:24.53 | hml | root@x:~# |
| 23:24.59 | Amarande | You know what's odd, is that apparently Eggdrop bots can ruin the machine they're running on in very strange ways |
| 23:25.07 | enouf | jelly-home: no, i playback the stream live usually, if i want to save a copy *at the same time*, i just fire up another mplayer in another xterm and use the -dumpstream option |
| 23:25.10 | zinx | or if you're at the console you can alt-sysrq-S alt-sysrq-U alt-sysrq-S |
| 23:25.19 | Amarande | I can't remember who it was, it was years ago, but someone once mentioned that apparently the ONLY processes left running on their box were eggdrops. |
| 23:25.24 | Amarande | Literally. As in even init wasn't there anymore. |
| 23:25.35 | zinx | Amarande: eggdrops have also been horribly insecure in the past, and probably still are |
| 23:25.44 | Amarande | How can init die without the system shutting down? |
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| 23:26.27 | jelly-home | enouf: so when you start saving, just switch to playing the saved stream |
| 23:26.27 | zinx | Amarande: you're assuming the information seen was correct |
| 23:26.27 | enouf | cache size of 4096 works out ok most times for live streaming, and i only wait a few seconds to 10-15 tops before playback begins |
| 23:26.27 | zinx | Amarande: that does not hold when the machine has been compromise. |
| 23:26.27 | zinx | d |
| 23:26.39 | jelly-home | enouf: the magical unix filesystems allow multiple apps to access the same file at the same time! |
| 23:26.46 | enouf | jelly-home: for what purpose? i don't even understand what the issue is? |
| 23:27.04 | jelly-home | enouf: halving the bw needed |
| 23:27.12 | jelly-home | s/needed/used/ |
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| 23:27.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, well, it's a weird way of doubling the transferred amount |
| 23:27.35 | enouf | i think someone tried that as well - not sure -but fortunately, i have plenty of nadwidth |
| 23:27.53 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: what? |
| 23:27.54 | jelly-home | good for your nads. |
| 23:28.02 | enouf | most crap i don't want to save anyway |
| 23:28.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, there's people who have to pay for transfer volume - perhaps not you, but probably the people you get the stuff from |
| 23:28.21 | enouf | like google? lmao |
| 23:28.31 | enouf | they care about me? lmao |
| 23:28.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's just wasteful |
| 23:29.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there's really no point to it, that I can see |
| 23:29.05 | enouf | you don;t like it, don't do it - more for me |
| 23:29.15 | Amarande | then there's idiots like comcast that are imposing a 250GB limit per month on their users |
| 23:29.26 | Amarande | and apparently just flat out banning people who go over instead of just say charging them fees |
| 23:29.26 | enouf | you didn't realize there are Big Oil men in here? |
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| 23:29.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | how would I go about testing if my wine installation can access the net? |
| 23:30.09 | enouf | some of you seem to have wedged a rod up your ass - better get that fixed |
| 23:30.20 | Amarande | Cut: get WoW |
| 23:30.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah thanks |
| 23:30.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | something like ping would do... but there is no ping |
| 23:31.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | have been installing beilstein under wine... seems to have worked up to a point, but can't connect to the server (without any output or clue what failed) |
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| 23:32.05 | MrWax | anyone in here experienced with using ascii art for the motd? |
| 23:32.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ie6 doesn't start up either :( |
| 23:32.21 | enouf | besids capitalism dictates that i MUST exploit you, see my shareholders demand it, and .. it's the law - so sorry about your misfortune - but us CCCPs need our greedy insatiable appetites filled ;-) |
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| 23:32.53 | abrotman | enouf: #debian-offtopic ? |
| 23:32.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | MrWax, no, but look at aalib |
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| 23:33.28 | enouf | abrotman: why, because it takes me longer to turn it off once someone has helped me turn it on? ;-) |
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| 23:33.57 | abrotman | enouf: #debian-offtopic ? |
| 23:34.08 | enouf | !tell abrotman about selftell |
| 23:34.18 | enouf | :-P |
| 23:34.22 | abrotman | not funny |
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| 23:34.28 | enouf | yes it was |
| 23:34.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | lets vote |
| 23:34.58 | abrotman | no .. really .. you're bordering on Nyle |
| 23:35.12 | jelly-home | abrotman: harsh words! |
| 23:35.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed |
| 23:35.20 | enouf | no , really , you're bordering on bit |
| 23:35.23 | enouf | er.. bot |
| 23:35.32 | chrome | heys, can anyone recommend a package of a script that does nightly system checks? |
| 23:35.40 | chrome | I'm using apticron to notify me when I have updates but was wondering if someone knew of something that does anything else remotely useful. |
| 23:35.49 | jelly-home | checks of what? |
| 23:36.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean like "jepp, system is still there, up and running"? |
| 23:36.17 | chrome | you know, looks for failing processes in the logs, summarises the logins for the past day, that kind of thing. |
| 23:36.26 | jelly-home | logcheck? |
| 23:36.27 | chrome | Could write it myself just don't want to reinvent the wheel. |
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| 23:36.40 | chrome | whatwhonowyousay? |
| 23:36.46 | joaop | what can i use to connect to a wireless network using a gnome(gtk) program ? |
| 23:36.55 | chrome | logcheck - mails anomalies in the system logfiles to the administrator |
| 23:36.59 | chrome | aha, thanks :) |
| 23:37.27 | jelly-home | logwatch too |
| 23:37.38 | adama | where on debian.org do I get a netinst CD iso that installs kernel 2.6.26 |
| 23:37.53 | jelly-home | chrome: I'm not sure which one has better presets in Debian |
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| 23:38.06 | chrome | will check them both out, thanks |
| 23:38.46 | chrome | run them side by side for a few days and see what it spits out |
| 23:39.10 | stew | adama: what version of debian are you hopint to install? |
| 23:39.41 | adama | umm the one with kernel 2.6.26 - unstable? |
| 23:40.22 | adama | or 2.6.25, something newer than 2.6.18 which is what the cd installed this morning |
| 23:40.38 | abrotman | adama: etch has a .24 availab |
| 23:40.41 | abrotman | available |
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| 23:41.36 | adama | you have to upgrade to it after installing the base system? |
| 23:42.21 | abrotman | or use the correct installer |
| 23:42.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, is there anything special one has to do to get network for wine in Debian? Shouldn't it "just work"? |
| 23:42.28 | Zambezi | I need a tool to compare folders content so I can remove duplicates. kompare will do it? But I used another tool earlier and can't find it in apt-cache search. |
| 23:42.33 | abrotman | adama: apt-cache search etchnhalf .. pick the right one for your CPU |
| 23:42.40 | abrotman | Zambezi: cmp |
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| 23:43.01 | abrotman | or maybe that was diff .. hrm |
| 23:43.17 | Amarande | .26 is lenny, I believe |
| 23:43.19 | abrotman | yeah .. it was diff |
| 23:43.30 | abrotman | Amarande: leave it be |
| 23:43.33 | adama | Lenny is fine, I thought that's what I was downloading |
| 23:46.57 | puff | abrotman: The changes I made were a) change /etc/default/spamassassin to ENABLED=1, b) add a bayes_path line to /etc/spamassassin/local.cf, 3) restarted spamassassin, 4)ran sa-learn twice (one for ham, one for spam) with a -C argument pointing at the bayes_path location. |
| 23:47.36 | abrotman | this is what #spamassassin is for |
| 23:48.01 | Zambezi | abrotman: It's old backups and same folder contains same file up to three times. I cleared 1000 files manually, but now it's time for the worst part. My pictures from digitalcamera. |
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| 23:48.37 | puff | Bleah, I should just reinstall it all from scratch. |
| 23:48.56 | abrotman | Zambezi: you want to compare file contents? or just file names? |
| 23:49.03 | puff | abrotman: #spamassassin's for postfix/amavis/spamasssasin integration on debian boxes? |
| 23:49.22 | abrotman | you're not even getting SA scores |
| 23:49.50 | puff | abrotman: Precisely. |
| 23:49.58 | Zambezi | abrotman: Size and filename should be exactly the same. I'll start from there. |
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| 23:50.44 | jotham | hi, i'm looking for a tool to 'react' to log events (from apache for instance) in real time, in python, i'm not really sure about the ideal strategy for this kind of thing, logwatch doesn't look like realtime |
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| 23:51.01 | puff | Zambezi: Hm, y'know, I've run into that problem enough times (usually trying to reconcile two different CVS or SVN checkouts) that I really should write a perl script to do it. |
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| 23:52.54 | Raylz | hi, hows lenny doin? will it be released soon? |
| 23:53.10 | Zambezi | puff: I hope so cause this will take hours to do. And Mozilla should make an export-tool for the emails too. I'm manually saving them, convert to mbox, then rename the with sender, subject, time etc. That will take ages. I have emails from 2003 and until today. |
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| 23:54.13 | joaop | what did you use to connect to a wireless network ? |
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| 23:55.33 | abrotman | Zambezi: diff |
| 23:55.45 | abrotman | Zambezi: diff dir1 dir2 |
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| 23:56.45 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell Raylz -about wwlr |
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| 23:57.10 | Raylz | dmoerner: ty |
| 23:57.26 | dmoerner | Raylz: they are about to release rc1 of the installer so its closer than you might think |
| 23:57.36 | Zambezi | abrotman: But I have everything in the same folders and the dirtree is long. Folders namned M, New, Checked etc. It's a mess! And I took me two years to deal with it. |
| 23:57.38 | dmoerner | although bugs.debian.org/release-critical is still depressing |
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| 23:58.17 | abrotman | how can you have backups in the same dir ? |
| 23:59.36 | Zambezi | abrotman: Hold on for a pastebin. I'll try to show you. |
