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| 00:04.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zambezi, fdupes |
| 00:04.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zambezi, but what you're really trying to do is export mozilla emails? or is that a different story? |
| 00:05.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zambezi, findimagedupes is... obviously for images - perhaps still useful |
| 00:05.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | there was another one... I thought |
| 00:05.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | or did I write that myself :) |
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| 00:06.34 | Zambezi | CutMeOwnThroat: That's a different task. I searched for dupes in apt-cache. || And findimagesdupes will be very useful. Thanks! |
| 00:07.00 | enouf | so jelly-home do be so kind to let me/us know when you finally work out the syntax for mplayer - thanks |
| 00:07.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zambezi, fdupes is more general and searches for exact duplicates |
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| 00:08.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zambezi, there is also ssdeep, if you are looking for *similar* textfiles |
| 00:08.21 | Zambezi | CutMeOwnThroat: That's what I need. It's only 4000 files left to check in that dir. And I removed 1000 already, but pictures will be the killer, but hopefully your tool make it far easier. |
| 00:08.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | so why do you have to compare all that anyways? |
| 00:08.46 | Raylz | dmoerner: nice, i hope they will make a rly stable release |
| 00:09.49 | Zambezi | CutMeOwnThroat: Cause if you have backups from three different times with almost the same files, then it's a mess. And I've been ignoring this since I migrated to Linux over two years ago and now it's time to deal with it. |
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| 00:10.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe, i see |
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| 00:10.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | but can't you use rsync for that in a way? |
| 00:10.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | that at least would always choose the newest file |
| 00:10.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I guess you also want deleted files to stay deleted? |
| 00:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | findimagedupes doesn't seem to work recursively |
| 00:11.19 | Zambezi | CutMeOwnThroat: I know with -u, but I have papers too with almost the same content but different. |
| 00:12.22 | Zambezi | CutMeOwnThroat: Not good since archieves in different dir have the same name (form digitalcamera). |
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| 00:17.20 | jelly-home | enouf: um... syntax to do what, sorry |
| 00:18.04 | enouf | jelly-home: whatever you were referring to about mplayer stream-> file -> playback |
| 00:21.27 | chimp | I have debian installing from a pxe netboot installation and its at the stage where i've selected desktop, laptop and standard for the packages to be downloaded. It says theres 2hrs 20 mins remaining, do any confirmation boxes popup from now on, or can i go to sleep? |
| 00:21.41 | jelly-home | enouf: um, just play the saved file? |
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| 00:22.23 | enouf | jelly-home: er .. the entire conversation was about doing both simultaneously |
| 00:22.29 | jelly-home | enouf: yes. |
| 00:22.47 | jelly-home | enouf: play it while it's still downloading |
| 00:22.49 | enouf | so, syntax please |
| 00:22.59 | enouf | or an example |
| 00:23.23 | enouf | or better - why not try it yourself |
| 00:23.39 | jelly-home | enouf: um, rip the stream as usual, then play it. I do it with streamripper |
| 00:24.04 | jelly-home | enouf: and play with whatever; it gives out mp3s |
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| 00:25.05 | enouf | we were referring to mplayer (and youtube video) but mainly mplayer |
| 00:25.32 | enouf | but sure, most any live video stream should suffice for an example |
| 00:27.21 | jelly-home | enouf: oh, I don't do video, but the principle should apply |
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| 00:32.46 | socialist | if I export /path (say, /dev/sda1), and I mount another device (say, /dev/sdb1) on /path/subdir, /path/subdir shows up as an empty directory on NFS clients |
| 00:33.21 | socialist | I seem to remember there being a setting to get sub-mounts to show up via nfs but I can't remember... |
| 00:33.32 | Raylz | dmoerner: why do they remove debmake? |
| 00:33.40 | Raylz | dmoerner: is there something better around? |
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| 00:37.00 | enouf | Raylz: you want to make a deb from a non-Debian tar.gz ? |
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| 00:37.30 | Zambezi | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm using the fdupes now and added > to make a report, but the funny thing is that there's no prompt in the terminal, but there's an output in the "logfile". Any idea? |
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| 00:39.03 | Raylz | enouf: i used to pack my python programs with debmake |
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| 00:39.14 | Tramp | socialist: man exports, nohide? |
| 00:39.16 | Raylz | enouf: if i dont confuse something |
| 00:40.05 | socialist | Tramp: that doesn't have any effect when the subdir is a mounted filesystem, AFAICT |
| 00:40.12 | enouf | Raylz: not sure, but maybe look at checkinstall |
| 00:40.13 | socialist | but yeah that's what I thought too at frst |
| 00:40.25 | dudeman | ok |
| 00:40.29 | dudeman | I know how you guys hate my offtopic |
| 00:40.32 | dudeman | but fuck it i gotta say this |
| 00:40.39 | dudeman | I JUST BECAME A US CITIZEN! |
| 00:40.42 | dudeman | FUCK YEA! |
| 00:40.46 | Raylz | enouf: one question about dash |
| 00:40.54 | Raylz | enouf: will bash still be used? |
| 00:41.01 | enouf | Zambezi: for quick pick browsing with thumbs, might try flimsel (not sure if it's in debain repos) |
| 00:41.10 | Raylz | enouf: or is dash replacing it completely? |
| 00:41.14 | enouf | Raylz: when? where? |
| 00:41.20 | Tramp | socialist: hmm. and crossmnt? |
| 00:41.31 | Raylz | enouf: http://release.debian.org/lenny/goals.txt |
| 00:41.31 | enouf | !congratulate dudeman |
| 00:41.32 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies dudeman, you did it! |
| 00:42.02 | enouf | Raylz: if it defaults to dash, i'll change it to bash ;-) |
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| 00:42.40 | enouf | Raylz: just check out the symlink of ls -l /bin/sh |
| 00:43.16 | Raylz | enouf: ah, so software is being made dash compatible |
| 00:43.26 | Raylz | enouf: but bash can handle dash right? |
| 00:43.51 | enouf | huh? |
| 00:44.04 | Raylz | enouf: lol, im already using dash |
| 00:44.09 | enouf | all i know, is i think dash is more posix compliant |
| 00:44.33 | Raylz | enouf: using kubuntu 8.04 |
| 00:44.49 | Raylz | enouf: in that case, i guess it wont be much of a change |
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| 00:45.14 | dudeman | dpkg, thank |
| 00:45.14 | dpkg | dudeman: no worries |
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| 00:45.49 | jelly-home | !win dudeman |
| 00:45.49 | dpkg | Congratulations, dudeman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 00:45.59 | dudeman | finally man |
| 00:46.06 | dudeman | i been in usa since 1992 with a green card |
| 00:46.09 | dudeman | finally got my citizenship |
| 00:46.11 | dudeman | :) |
| 00:46.20 | dudeman | yay! |
| 00:46.27 | dudeman | i'll be throwing a party |
| 00:46.29 | Raylz | gz |
| 00:46.30 | Kovensky | dudeman: cool |
| 00:46.31 | dudeman | any debian people in nyc |
| 00:46.34 | dudeman | welcoe to joi me |
| 00:46.43 | dudeman | I'll be posting on debian-nyc-soc mailing list |
| 00:46.48 | Kovensky | dudeman: lol |
| 00:46.59 | Kovensky | wants foreing citizenship too |
| 00:47.05 | Raylz | xD |
| 00:47.16 | dudeman | i know rahul will join me |
| 00:47.19 | Raylz | Kovensky: u only need austrian citizenship ;) |
| 00:47.22 | dudeman | stew and his wife may or may not |
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| 00:47.29 | dudeman | i know damog and his girl will come |
| 00:47.32 | Kovensky | Raylz: somewhere that speaks english, please :) |
| 00:47.34 | enouf | dudeman: you mean .. i could've had you deported before today! .. fdammit |
| 00:47.39 | enouf | :-P |
| 00:47.42 | dudeman | heh |
| 00:47.44 | piranesi | let's say I want to remove swfdec-mozilla and when I do this, gnome goes in the lists of packages that will be removed by apt-get autoremove... how can I do to not make it happen? |
| 00:47.54 | dudeman | dude, I took ubuntu off my work pc today and put on lenny |
| 00:47.57 | Raylz | Kovensky: we can speak good genglish ;) |
| 00:48.00 | dudeman | my boss was like, this is fast! |
| 00:48.09 | dudeman | I said yeh, cuz it doesn't load 100+ services on startup |
| 00:48.17 | Kovensky | Raylz: lol |
| 00:48.26 | Kovensky | utterly fails at german |
| 00:48.32 | Kovensky | fails to speak english too |
| 00:48.32 | dudeman | well |
| 00:48.37 | dudeman | i got about 2 hours tonight |
| 00:48.37 | Raylz | Kovensky: xD |
| 00:48.42 | dudeman | gonna try to fix some bugs |
| 00:49.02 | dudeman | lets see if I can't send in at least 1 patch |
| 00:49.07 | Raylz | im rly looking forward to lenny |
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| 00:49.09 | Kovensky | Raylz: I can chat in english with you guys all day long, understanding every single word, even maybe using words you guys still don't know, but I can't speak english |
| 00:49.30 | Raylz | it will replace my ubuntu gutsy |
| 00:49.45 | Raylz | Kovensky: where u from? |
| 00:49.46 | dudeman | really if you .. man.. im speechless |
| 00:49.49 | dudeman | debian is awesome |
| 00:49.58 | dudeman | you can't go wrong with it |
| 00:50.05 | Raylz | dudeman: u can ;) |
| 00:50.07 | Kovensky | Raylz: Brazil |
| 00:50.13 | dudeman | yeh? how |
| 00:50.13 | Raylz | Kovensky: wow |
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| 00:50.21 | dudeman | whats you don't like about debian? |
| 00:50.24 | abrotman | you can use #debian-offtopic for general chat |
| 00:50.28 | Kovensky | Raylz: I never spoke in english with anyone |
| 00:50.38 | Raylz | dudeman: shall we go OT? |
| 00:50.41 | dudeman | nah |
| 00:50.45 | Kovensky | abrotman: sometimes I forget about the off-topicness rule :) |
| 00:50.48 | abrotman | Raylz: he won't .. but please do |
| 00:50.49 | dudeman | abort fucker tries to psycho analyze me |
| 00:50.52 | dudeman | its alright |
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| 00:50.54 | dudeman | I'll just stop. |
| 00:50.55 | adnc | hello, i've php5 version 5.2.0-8+etch11 installed and i wonder if there is a newer backport one available |
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| 00:51.03 | adnc | dkpkg php5 |
| 00:51.10 | adnc | dpkg php5 |
| 00:51.11 | dpkg | php5 is probably in Etch but not in Sarge. For unofficial php5 packages for Sarge, ask me about <bpo> PHP5 is the only version of PHP that is in lenny as php4 support has been discontinued. Ask me about <php4 security>. |
| 00:51.27 | adnc | dpkg bpo php5 |
| 00:51.28 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, adnc |
| 00:51.36 | adnc | bpo php5 |
| 00:51.42 | abrotman | adnc: stop .. what are you looking for? |
| 00:51.45 | Raylz | dudeman: come on over ;) |
| 00:52.10 | Raylz | dudeman: query? |
| 00:52.15 | adnc | abrotman: i've a problem with my installed php version, it gives me segfaults and i wonder if i can get a newer version for my debian etcdh |
| 00:52.23 | abrotman | adnc: segfaults doing what? |
| 00:53.06 | adnc | abrotman: i get segfaults in the apache logs when calling php pages from horde, which most probaply is due to the installed php |
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| 00:53.29 | adnc | [Thu Sep 18 02:36:27 2008] [notice] child pid 2491 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) |
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| 00:53.52 | abrotman | adnc: only with horde PHP pages? or all of them? |
| 00:54.00 | Raylz | dudeman: i wouldnt recommend it to newcomers |
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| 00:55.08 | adnc | abrotman: only with one particular module of it, during a pear_log_debug |
| 00:55.39 | abrotman | and if you turn off the debugging ? |
| 00:55.56 | adnc | abrotman: and i've spoken to several others and developers i'm the only one. |
| 00:56.14 | abrotman | adnc: but only with that one module? |
| 00:56.16 | adnc | abrotman: i did uncomment those lines, but debugging is called on several places |
| 00:56.30 | adnc | abrotman: yes ;) i know what you are trying to say |
| 00:56.32 | abrotman | adnc: i find it odd that you're hte only person using etch's PHP with segfaults on that particular module |
| 00:56.59 | adnc | abrotman: well, what else could i do? except trying an alternatif |
| 00:57.36 | abrotman | adnc: there is no backport for php5 for newer packages to etch |
| 00:57.40 | abrotman | not an official one |
| 00:58.05 | adnc | abrotman: do you have any suggestions? |
| 00:58.56 | abrotman | adnc: do you have another machine you can test on? |
| 00:58.59 | adnc | sure it is because of used variables (which are NULL and shouldnt be) and used in this debuggin call |
| 00:59.05 | adnc | abrotman: unfortunately not |
| 00:59.18 | abrotman | adnc: nowhere? at all? not even in a VM ? |
| 00:59.45 | adnc | abrotman: i use horde cvs. the server i do have is a vserver. |
| 00:59.57 | adnc | abrotman: unfortunately not, no. |
| 01:00.14 | abrotman | adnc: you have no home machines capable of running vmwarre? |
| 01:00.20 | abrotman | or some other vm software? |
| 01:00.36 | adnc | abrotman: not ready. poor... |
| 01:00.45 | abrotman | vmware is free :) |
| 01:00.49 | adnc | heheh |
| 01:00.59 | adnc | no, it is up to the computer. |
| 01:01.36 | adnc | abrotman: do you use horde? |
| 01:01.44 | abrotman | i do .. |
| 01:01.47 | adnc | cool |
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| 01:01.53 | abrotman | but only a few modules |
| 01:01.55 | adnc | do you use cvs HEAD=?? |
| 01:01.58 | adnc | whups? |
| 01:02.01 | adnc | the ticketing system? |
| 01:02.05 | abrotman | nope .. just imp/turba |
| 01:02.09 | adnc | ohh |
| 01:02.15 | abrotman | kronolith was just too .. unusable |
| 01:02.24 | adnc | and do you have the same php version as i do |
| 01:02.28 | abrotman | yep |
| 01:02.35 | adnc | horde is really cool |
| 01:02.36 | abrotman | but i'm using horde tarballs .. IIRC |
| 01:02.44 | abrotman | though .. i have to say i really like roundcube |
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| 01:03.14 | Tanguy | hello |
| 01:03.14 | adnc | roundcube, does it also come with extendable modules? |
| 01:03.40 | abrotman | adnc: it's less powerful over all .. but has a "friendlier" interface |
| 01:04.09 | Tanguy | i have a problem and wonder if it does not come from modifications to my binaries, so i want to reinstall every single package i have |
| 01:04.18 | adnc | abrotman: horde has a very nice gallery application. even face recognition works very well |
| 01:04.42 | abrotman | uh .. haven't tried that one .. last "experimental" module i tried was MIMP/DIMP .. which were both fairly bad at the time |
| 01:04.43 | Tanguy | aptitude reinstall '?installed' works fine to download the packages, but fails to install, saying that bash cannot be configured right now |
| 01:04.45 | adnc | syncinc to mobile device, etc. etc. you sure know this. also the ticketing system is quite fine |
| 01:05.03 | adnc | abrotman: ohh dimp and mimp do work great |
| 01:05.06 | abrotman | Tanguy: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 01:05.09 | adnc | and do look nice |
| 01:05.15 | abrotman | adnc: when i tried them (two years ago?) they were bad |
| 01:05.25 | adnc | abrotman: possible |
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| 01:05.32 | adnc | but meanwhile it is very good |
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| 01:05.51 | adnc | abrotman: worth a try |
| 01:06.15 | Tanguy | well, what i tried is exactly what dpkg has been told about reinstallation :) |
| 01:06.28 | Tanguy | so, as it cannot be done online, do you think it is safe to run that (aptitude reinstall everything) from a chroot? |
| 01:06.36 | adnc | maybe someone else is using horde with a etch |
| 01:06.47 | abrotman | adnc: i am .. but not CVS versions |
| 01:07.06 | datacrusher | hi people, im having a hard time recoring a iso image for my backup, this is the script |
| 01:07.07 | datacrusher | http://pastebin.com/d619c4186 |
| 01:07.23 | datacrusher | but i live in brasil, and we use lots of accents and especial characters |
| 01:07.46 | adnc | abrotman: yes, you are right, but i had to use it for a particular case, where the feature (also ticketing) was only in cvs |
| 01:07.47 | datacrusher | but none iso88591 or utf8 gives me a cd that i can read on windows machines, as they can read from the samba share |
| 01:07.55 | adnc | since then i have cvs |
| 01:08.10 | Tanguy | adnc: hey, roundcube is in lenny and backported to etch, i did not know that! \o/ |
| 01:08.51 | adnc | abrotman: also, spanish telecom is serving a huge amount of users with DIMP/MIMP/IMP |
| 01:09.01 | adnc | ohhh no, portugese |
| 01:09.04 | adnc | not spanish |
| 01:09.09 | abrotman | adnc: i'm just wondering whether it might be a possible hardware issue |
| 01:09.18 | abrotman | adnc: that's why i was asking about another machine to test on |
| 01:09.31 | adnc | abrotman: this also could be the case, but it is a vserver |
| 01:09.49 | adnc | so i can not get core dumps |
| 01:10.10 | adnc | and have no idea what hardware it is on |
| 01:11.19 | Bogus8 | does anyone know of a way to initiate an ssh tunnel from the client side (like vnc one click)? |
| 01:11.25 | abrotman | adnc: right .. but i just wanted a system for comparison |
| 01:11.39 | Tanguy | do you know it there are mirrors, or torrents, or jigdos of debian live cd images? |
| 01:12.07 | adnc | abrotman: sure, one way would be to ask you ;) but i wouldnt wanted to make you more work than you do have ;) |
| 01:12.33 | abrotman | adnc: right .. but i don't have a cvs version .. |
| 01:13.35 | adnc | abrotman: thank you very much anyway. do you know if i can hope of a newer php version soon |
| 01:13.51 | abrotman | adnc: only with lenny .. or you can backport PHP yourself |
| 01:14.06 | adnc | abrotman: how? |
| 01:14.29 | abrotman | !tell adnc about ssb |
| 01:14.38 | abrotman | adnc: you'd be responsible for your own security though |
| 01:15.27 | adnc | abrotman: how can i ask the bot about backports? |
| 01:15.45 | abrotman | adnc: /msg dpkg backports |
| 01:15.50 | abrotman | adnc: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 01:15.53 | adnc | and the package name |
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| 01:16.19 | adnc | the bot says, look if the package has not been backportet yet |
| 01:16.24 | abrotman | it has not |
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| 01:17.35 | adnc | abrotman: i wonder if roundcubes addressbook can be synced? |
| 01:17.57 | abrotman | adnc: synced to what? |
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| 01:18.13 | adnc | via syncml to any device, specially to mobile devices |
| 01:18.24 | abrotman | adnc: i use ours with LDAP .. i couldn't honestly say |
| 01:18.49 | adnc | so roundcume speaks ldap? |
| 01:18.57 | abrotman | cube .. yes |
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| 01:19.38 | pattern | my dmesg output tells me that "atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0x96 on isa0060/serio0). Use 'setkeycodes e016 <keycode>' to make it known." but why does setkeycodes use scancode e016 when the key is 0x96 ? |
| 01:19.38 | puff | abrotman: who wantedthe tree-compare? I'm told that rsync candothat. |
| 01:19.46 | pattern | or, more to the point... given an arbitrary hexidecimal key code (as reported by dmesg) how can i translate it to a scancode that setkeycodes likes? |
| 01:19.56 | abrotman | puff: Zambezi I believe |
| 01:20.50 | adnc | abrotman: last question for today, do you know if roundcube can report spam to spamassassin? |
| 01:20.56 | puff | Zambezi: Somebody elsechannel tells me rsync can do a tree compare (which I guess makes sense, it kinda has to have that functionality). |
| 01:21.06 | puff | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 01:21.22 | abrotman | adnc: that i don't know .. while i have SA running, we don't use the scoring to actually sort spam .. my bosses are weird like that |
| 01:21.49 | adnc | no user level scoring? |
| 01:21.50 | adnc | funny |
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| 01:22.29 | abrotman | adnc: don't ask .. they'd rather manually delete spam than risk something getting killed by the spam software |
| 01:22.53 | adnc | abrotman: but sa is very good in this case |
| 01:23.05 | abrotman | adnc: they're suspicious .. can't change their mind .. |
| 01:23.40 | Raylz | abrotman: pls unban dudeman ;) |
| 01:24.15 | adnc | abrotman: thank you very much for that huge amount of help. hope you will have it easy with your bosses |
| 01:24.38 | abrotman | adnc: i'm okay with it .. it's their decision |
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| 01:25.28 | Bogus8 | does anyone know of a way to initiate an ssh tunnel from the client side (like vnc one click)? |
| 01:25.54 | Bogus8 | just need to have it open the port and then some how tell me the port number |
| 01:26.11 | Bogus8 | for like when the client is behind a NAT router |
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| 01:28.41 | Igneous | oh boy, I've had an etch to lenny upgrade go awry.. it's just a few stray packages, but I'd be a bit more comfortable if someone took a look at the output before I starting attempting to fix things. Could someone please take a look at http://nopaste.com/p/asTI2ED6y and suggest the best method of action to correct this? |
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| 01:30.34 | Bogus8 | or can I just initiate a two way ssh tunnel |
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| 01:31.05 | Bogus8 | open up a tunnel to my home server and then be able to also send commands "backwards" down the pipe? |
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| 01:37.36 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 01:37.44 | Tramp | Bogus8: you open ssh tunnels ("forwards") with -L or -R and specify the port on the command-line. man ssh |
| 01:37.46 | tengulre | how to make a liveCD with debian? |
| 01:38.12 | Bogus8 | Tramp: I stumbled upon some stuff relating to that and I'm investigating now... thanks though! |
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| 01:38.35 | Tramp | !tell tengulre about livecd |
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| 01:45.11 | Znuff | Hi. How do I remove a package just from the database? Meaning, I only want dpkg the package is installed, but keep the files. |
| 01:45.54 | Skaperen | Znuff: could you rephrase more carefully, please |
| 01:46.34 | jaredj | vim /var/lib/dpkg/status >:) |
| 01:46.47 | Znuff | jaredj, that was my last option :) |
| 01:46.59 | jaredj | yeh |
| 01:47.10 | Skaperen | Znuff: well, maybe it's the only option |
| 01:47.28 | Znuff | Skaperen, rpm has a flag than you can pass during the removal of a package, you can do rpm -e --justdb <package> and it will remove only the entry from the rpm database |
| 01:47.40 | ki11bi11 | is anybody using the Hurd? |
| 01:47.47 | jaredj | waugh |
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| 01:50.00 | abrotman | ki11bi11: there is a hurd channel |
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| 01:50.11 | Amarande | You mean people actually used the Hurd? :) |
| 01:50.21 | jaredj | i hadn't hurd of any |
| 01:50.26 | ki11bi11 | abrotman: thx |
| 01:50.44 | amphi | Amarande: it runs well under qemu ;) |
| 01:50.53 | gravity | Some people like to hack on it for fun |
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| 01:51.04 | gravity | I imagine it's a lot less stressful than trying to contribute to Linux |
| 01:51.11 | Igneous | there's a hilarious nerdy kid on youtube that reviewed the hurd |
| 01:51.14 | datacrusher | lost my clues folks.. take a look at the script |
| 01:51.15 | datacrusher | http://pastebin.com/dd50ac5f |
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| 01:51.59 | datacrusher | it goes all the way, records the cd, but on windows i cant read the files correct, the characters are all messed up, i use lots of ç á |
| 01:52.59 | samantha-b- | so i'm doing an rsync. works fine, except that the progress file count is wacky. it seems to be counting files done/files left on a partial, as-i-get there basis. so it'll go 1019/1956, then start a new subdir and jump to 1030/1968. how do i get it to do a full scan at startup so i can get an accurate picture of progress? |
| 01:53.34 | jaredj | datacrusher: pedantically, if this script runs anywhere close to midnight, interesting things could happen due to the multiple calls to date in naming things |
| 01:53.59 | jaredj | datacrusher: windows + iso8859-1 = ?? |
| 01:54.01 | datacrusher | 0i see |
| 01:54.11 | datacrusher | but its quite fast |
| 01:54.17 | datacrusher | it runs 2250 |
| 01:54.28 | datacrusher | 2315 2320 its done |
| 01:54.34 | jaredj | ! |
| 01:54.40 | jaredj | if your data gets bigger... |
| 01:54.50 | datacrusher | it cant get to more than a dvd |
| 01:55.19 | datacrusher | and we dont use much files this far, there are many files that will come off with this new server, the data its near 2gb |
| 01:55.51 | jaredj | fair enough. you have been warned. i suggest another variable like HOJE. |
| 01:56.06 | datacrusher | hm.. nice |
| 01:56.11 | jaredj | but your problem is that windows isn't expecting the same charset you're using to encode filenames on the media |
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| 01:56.28 | jaredj | you may have better luck with utf 8 |
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| 01:56.50 | datacrusher | ill do the variabel.. |
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| 01:57.44 | jaredj | k. other than the utf-8 i have no other smart things to say about the problem you're actually having |
| 01:57.47 | datacrusher | hm m datahoj='date +%d%m%y' |
| 01:58.36 | jaredj | cool but you need to use backquotes `` and a big Y (case matters there, %y means only two year digits) |
| 01:58.49 | jaredj | like datahoj=`date +%d%m%Y` |
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| 02:01.40 | ns4ki38uf4r | hi |
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| 02:10.31 | pablo | hi, how do i check the deph of my display? |
| 02:12.14 | abrotman | pablo: xdpyinfo | grep depths .. i believe it's the first one |
| 02:13.13 | pablo | abrotman: depths (7): 16, 1, 4, 8, 15, 24, 32 Which is the recomended one? |
| 02:13.27 | abrotman | whichever one you like ... |
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| 02:13.47 | Znuff | pablo, 32 |
| 02:13.47 | abrotman | i think i just picked 24 a long time ago .. but 16 should be fine for most people |
| 02:14.07 | Znuff | go to 16bit and have a look at colour gradients |
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| 02:14.41 | Kovensky | the hell |
| 02:14.50 | Kovensky | pulseaudio is rendering audio... using the pcspkr D: |
| 02:15.23 | abrotman | yes that's possible |
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| 02:15.42 | Kovensky | abrotman: yes, it's possible, I want to impossible it :) |
| 02:15.55 | abrotman | Kovensky: /msg dpkg bell |
| 02:15.56 | abrotman | i'd guess |
| 02:16.39 | dustybin | abrotman: back in the old days was you a noob like me? |
| 02:17.21 | abrotman | dustybin: how much of a noob are you? :) |
| 02:17.35 | dustybin | not too bad now |
| 02:17.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | give him a computer and he can say "it wasn't me" already 5 minutes later... |
| 02:17.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | (just kiddin) |
| 02:18.12 | dustybin | CutMeOwnThroat: would you mind changing your nick, i find it deeply disturbing |
| 02:18.21 | abrotman | dustybin: it's a literary reference |
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| 02:18.28 | dustybin | :P |
| 02:18.58 | dustybin | </troll> |
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| 02:19.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, ha, see, it's already getting better |
| 02:19.41 | dustybin | did somone just say something? |
| 02:20.01 | Kovensky | abrotman: now pulse is failing to play stuff... |
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| 02:21.34 | abrotman | Kovensky: this is bad ? |
| 02:21.54 | Kovensky | abrotman: lol |
| 02:23.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | lawl? |
| 02:25.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, are you sure the deep disturbance is from this time and that you're not just *still* deeply disturbed from the last time? |
| 02:26.32 | halflife08 | hello folks how does on determine the wwn number on a fiber card that is there on a system |
| 02:27.01 | abrotman | look at the card? |
| 02:27.09 | halflife08 | i am not sure which of the id in /proc/scsi/qla*/1 |
| 02:27.19 | abrotman | halflife08: /msg dpkg whats my hardware .. one of those may help |
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| 02:27.55 | halflife08 | thanks |
| 02:27.59 | justin | halflife08: /sys might have better info |
| 02:28.04 | justin | halflife08: or simply dmesg |
| 02:28.44 | dustybin | what happens inside /sys ive never looked in there before? |
| 02:29.07 | justin | /sys is like /proc, just a little more structured |
| 02:29.16 | dustybin | right ok |
| 02:29.35 | dustybin | can you cat /sys stuff |
| 02:29.43 | justin | yep |
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| 02:29.51 | abrotman | but neither are really logical :) |
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| 02:38.39 | stmiller | anyone know of a package in the debian repos which would work as a media content database of somekind, and would allow remote access of audio/video? Something web based |
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| 02:39.25 | tengulre | I have already LiveCD ISO file, I want modify something and remake this ISO file, How to do? |
| 02:39.36 | abrotman | mpd has a web interface, not sure about a database backend |
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| 02:43.12 | pablo | hi, i ask here i i dont know where to ask. a md5sum is the same for the same files with different names? |
| 02:43.26 | abrotman | pablo: that's very easy to test |
| 02:43.48 | pablo | abrotman: how do i generate a md5sum? |
| 02:44.05 | abrotman | pablo: md5sum <file> |
| 02:44.31 | abrotman | and yes it would, md5sum does file contents |
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| 02:46.33 | sniper | hello |
| 02:47.15 | pablo | abrotman: thanks |
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| 02:48.19 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 02:48.24 | lkthomas | does anyone know how to empty a tape ? |
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| 02:51.33 | magyar | is there similar program to bsd "ifstated" in debian? |
| 02:52.38 | karsten | magyar: What's ifstated do? |
| 02:52.59 | karsten | magyar: Sounds like an interface autoconfigurator / autodetect thing? |
| 02:54.03 | karsten | magyar: ifupdown allows you to set rules including pre-up, post-up, pre-down, and post-down, per interface. |
| 02:54.05 | magyar | karsten: it isd |
| 02:54.39 | karsten | magyar: You can also specify rules in /etc/network/if-{donw,post-down,up,pre-up}.d |
| 02:55.01 | karsten | s/donw/down/ |
| 02:55.03 | magyar | karsten: what about testing an interface for its state and adjusting or creating a failover route |
| 02:55.05 | magyar | ? |
| 02:55.31 | karsten | magyar: Good question ;-) |
| 02:56.42 | magyar | karsten: it's a charming option in bsd |
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| 02:59.34 | karsten | magyar: Yeah, no equivalent that I'm aware of. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. |
| 02:59.52 | karsten | magyar: Which BSD? Free, Open, or Net? |
| 03:00.45 | magyar | karsten: open |
| 03:00.47 | magyar | brb |
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| 03:17.04 | epsilon | need an advice... I have 1 (file|auth)server and 6 clients. I want to auth the users on the server and store the /home there too |
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| 03:17.32 | epsilon | how should I do that? Auth via LDAP (never used it before)? Then mount /home via NFS? |
| 03:18.00 | enouf | magyar: ~$ cat /etc/network/run/ifstate |
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| 03:18.46 | enouf | creating a failover route? sounds like sysctl or maybe ifconfig aliases, like eth0.0 |
| 03:19.21 | tengulre | hi,all ! how to auto running a app when I login in gamin desktop ? |
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| 03:26.50 | pickcoder | magyar: what kind of failover situation are you wanting to support |
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| 03:35.16 | enouf | magyar: just let me also mention the tools/commands 'ip' (iproute{2} pkg), 'ifconfig' (net-tools), 'ethtool' (ethtool) .. |
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| 03:35.40 | enouf | and there are tons/others as well |
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| 03:42.29 | grendelson | When I insert my DVD media now (I've burnt MANY DVD both single and DL with this burner) I get"cdrom: This disk does not have any tracks that I recognize!". I lost the ability to burn dvd DL disks and I am running Lenny 2.6.26 kernel. I was burning fine but now I'm creating coasters at approx 30-50 % each time - is there an auto mount that got enabled in Lenny with udev or the like? |
| 03:43.12 | grendelson | The error above appears at the command line when I insert the blank dvd-dl media... |
| 03:43.25 | grendelson | I didn;t think I had any auto-mount turned on... |
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| 03:45.24 | FlyingFox_SM | hi, I am running a Debian based Email server with Exim4 MTA, Courier IMAP, Squirrelmail, CLamAV & Spamassassin. I could not get the Clamav to scan any of my incoming mails. advice, pls, thks. |
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| 03:46.11 | abrotman | http://koivi.com/exim4-config/ |
| 03:46.21 | abrotman | first link on google "clamav exim4" |
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| 03:47.17 | FlyingFox_SM | have read thru that n done the same settings, still no good |
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| 03:49.06 | abrotman | FlyingFox_SM: can you scan manually with clamav ? |
| 03:49.35 | FlyingFox_SM | strange is how come we need to do this av_scanner = clamd: /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl |
| 03:49.40 | L84supper | anyone here work with Machboot debian or faster loading versions? checking for work that has already been done to load debian as fast as possible from CFlash from Grub2 |
| 03:49.45 | abrotman | FlyingFox_SM: many people find amavis to be an easier way to work with their smtp server and SA/clamav |
| 03:49.55 | FlyingFox_SM | as there 's no such clamd.ctl inside /var/run/clamav |
| 03:51.51 | FlyingFox_SM | abrotman> do u know the commands for the manual scan? |
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| 03:52.02 | L84supper | The Fastest debian load so far from CD 5.68s http://bootchart.machboot.com:8000/result/2473240d85efa2e7e10229655f8329b1.png |
| 03:52.03 | abrotman | i think you can just say "clamav file" |
| 03:52.20 | FlyingFox_SM | ok thks |
| 03:52.34 | ct|kyle | Is there anyway to run a user specific task at boot? |
| 03:54.43 | FlyingFox_SM | abrotman> yes i can scan manually |
| 03:55.02 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 03:55.02 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 03:55.16 | abrotman | FlyingFox_SM: i'd recheck your config .. or maybe try the amavis thing |
| 03:55.37 | FlyingFox_SM | abrotman> thks |
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| 04:00.11 | FlyingFox_SM | i only did configurations for /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/01_exim4-config_listmacrosdefs/ 02_exim4-config_options |
| 04:00.48 | FlyingFox_SM | and /etc/exim4/conf.d/acl/40_exim4-config_check_data |
| 04:00.52 | FlyingFox_SM | that's all |
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| 04:02.10 | ct|kyle | dpkg: so if i use crontab do i just add @reboot command or something like * * * * * @reboot command |
| 04:02.10 | dpkg | You are moron #5, ct|kyle |
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| 04:03.34 | ct|kyle | woot #5 :) |
| 04:03.39 | kriebel | ok, I'm stumped |
| 04:03.49 | kriebel | how do I upgrade to etch-and-a-half |
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| 04:07.54 | ct|kyle | dpkg: thanks i never realized the special strings in crontab sorry |
| 04:07.54 | dpkg | ct|kyle: de rien |
| 04:11.14 | up365 | kriebel, http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf start there |
| 04:11.25 | stew | ct|kyle: realize that dpkg is a bot, not a human |
| 04:11.50 | kriebel | I already installed etch... I want to know what to add to my sources.list |
| 04:12.00 | stew | kriebel: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 04:12.01 | kriebel | I've read all of that and it doesn't help |
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| 04:13.08 | kriebel | stew: you fail the turing test |
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| 04:16.02 | ct|kyle | stew: can't i hank a bot for giving me what i wanted :P |
| 04:16.14 | ct|kyle | thank* |
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| 04:20.24 | jaggz1 | aptitude handles dependencies (auto packages, what else?) better than apt-get? |
| 04:20.44 | kriebel | sort of |
| 04:20.52 | kriebel | it resolves conflicts more interactively |
| 04:21.03 | kriebel | it also has an optional full-screen UI |
| 04:21.46 | kriebel | which I find ugly and confusing, but a lot of people like |
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| 04:31.45 | kriebel | apparently my apt index was screwed up because etch-and-a-half is just some stuff that's been added to etch |
| 04:32.02 | kriebel | which isn't terribly clear from the documentation |
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| 04:38.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | why be clear when you can be fuzzy |
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| 04:41.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps, if someone calls you a moron #5, you want the one to be at least human :) |
| 04:42.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | plants a small flag with his banner on it |
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| 04:44.16 | kgoetz | holy shit Debian (well, Linux) is good. localhost kernel: Uhhuh. NMI received. Dazed and confused, but trying to continue |
| 04:44.26 | kgoetz | got that a few times, and here i am - back again |
| 04:44.52 | deus____ | + |
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| 04:45.54 | LFjob | Hello! Does anyone know of sound modification/voice changer for Debian? |
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| 04:46.26 | kgoetz | LFjob: audacity? |
| 04:47.14 | LFjob | Cool, now I need a voice changer. |
| 04:47.28 | kgoetz | "voice changer" means what? how does it differ from audio? |
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| 04:47.43 | ninjaslim | is KDE 4.1 available on etch |
| 04:47.44 | LFjob | If I talk and sound like a girl I want to change it to boy. |
| 04:47.47 | liable | sending ransom demands are we? ;) |
| 04:47.59 | LFjob | >.> |
| 04:48.00 | LFjob | <.< |
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| 04:48.15 | kgoetz | liable: nah, just a chick wanting to play WoW without being busted ;) |
| 04:48.37 | LFjob | Perhaps I should change my name so it doesn't sound like I will shoot a poor kitten for the employer not giving me the job. |
| 04:49.07 | dmoerner | ninjaslim: no |
| 04:49.20 | rchi | the odds are it's a boy wanting to sound like a girl, really |
| 04:49.32 | LFjob | It is! |
| 04:49.48 | LFjob | I'm a homosexual, now gimme my voice changer. :) |
| 04:49.55 | kgoetz | LFjob: audacity |
| 04:50.06 | LFjob | You can't do that with audacity! D: |
| 04:50.14 | kgoetz | or a carefully crafted sed + uuencode string :P |
| 04:50.19 | kgoetz | since when? |
| 04:50.30 | LFjob | It doesn't work with me. |
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| 04:54.35 | LFjob | hm |
| 04:54.57 | LFjob | Anyone? :) No voice changer for Debian? You'd think with the stereotypes, there would be some voice changers out htere for Linux. |
| 04:55.14 | pipeline | you can too do that in audacity |
| 04:55.19 | pipeline | if you want it in real time, play with LADSPA plugins |
| 04:55.22 | LFjob | D: |
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| 04:55.49 | LFjob | Haha, I don't think it'll sound like a REAL 10 year old girl! |
| 04:56.07 | rchi | sick minded. |
| 04:56.47 | LFjob | :'( |
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| 04:58.45 | LFjob | What I wanted to do was simulate a conversation with the voice changer but I was just playing along with this person: <rchi> the odds are it's a boy wanting to sound like a girl, really |
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| 04:59.25 | rchi | terrorist. |
| 04:59.50 | LFjob | I'm... I'm not a terrorist! |
| 05:00.13 | LFjob | Quit stalking me! You know, I carry two schmitars with me everywhere I go! |
| 05:00.58 | rchi | you probably carry 2 voice changers with you as well |
| 05:01.08 | LFjob | I don't. But I need to. |
| 05:01.35 | rchi | oh :) well sorry i can't help you |
| 05:01.43 | LFjob | :) |
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| 05:09.48 | Kdas | anyone want to help me out with my iwl4965? |
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| 05:12.43 | Kdas | I can not see any AP's wiht my iwl4965. Any ideas ? |
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| 05:14.38 | Kdas | HELLLooooooo ???? |
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| 05:20.13 | liable | keep scanning |
| 05:20.29 | liable | paste your dmesg somewhere |
| 05:21.04 | Kdas | liable, i am a lil new |
| 05:21.21 | Kdas | liable, i am trying to find the network via knetworkmanager |
| 05:21.38 | liable | Kdas: did you install the firmware? |
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| 05:21.46 | Kdas | liable, i dowloaded the newst ucode from iwl website stuck it in /lib/firmware but when it was booting it did not recognize because it was ucode-something-2 so i renamed to ucode-something-1 and then that cleared that problem |
| 05:22.10 | Timberwolf5578 | I have heard Sidux is a rock solid stable Debian Sid-based distro. Is this true? |
| 05:22.14 | liable | Kdas: if you are using a debian kernel, use the debian supplied firmware |
| 05:22.38 | Kdas | liable, and how do i get that ucode ? |
| 05:22.40 | liable | Timberwolf5578: we dont know. we use debian |
| 05:22.44 | Kdas | firmware* |
| 05:22.56 | Kdas | smiles at liable comment |
| 05:23.18 | Timberwolf5578 | liable, but someone here must have heard good/bad things about Sidux? No? |
| 05:23.30 | liable | Kdas: its in non-free, so you need to add that to your sources.list, apt-get update, then install for firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 05:24.19 | Kdas | liable, how am i suposed to do that if i can't connect to my wireless internet connection ? LOL |
| 05:24.34 | Kdas | i can download and then transfer via USB but i am on windows box |
| 05:24.36 | liable | Timberwolf5578: this isnt really the channel to discuss other distros. try #linux maybe |
| 05:24.56 | liable | Kdas: so get the deb from packages.debian.org |
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| 05:27.31 | liable | Kdas: gotta run. GL |
| 05:28.13 | Kdas | liable, thanks |
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| 05:32.44 | yigal | I am having great difficulties the package gedit under lenny when it attempts to install gedit_2.22.3-1_i386.deb and fails with "subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" and much more |
| 05:32.58 | yigal | please could someone help me? :) |
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| 05:37.46 | yigal | guess I'm on my own :) |
| 05:38.14 | Kdas | yigal, |
| 05:38.31 | Kdas | yigal, join freenode server debian channel |
| 05:38.36 | Kdas | this channel is dead |
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| 05:40.00 | kgoetz | Kdas: this *is* freenode |
| 05:40.11 | kgoetz | yigal: have you checked for an open bug about it |
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| 05:40.20 | owen1 | when i insert a dvd i see two folders - video_ts and audio_ts. how do i play this? |
| 05:40.33 | Kdas | kgoetz, LOL whooops |
| 05:40.45 | Kdas | yigal, the debian irc channel* |
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| 05:42.00 | kgoetz | owen1: with a dvd player |
| 05:43.30 | dudeman | you can sort files in Video_TS folder by size |
| 05:43.42 | dudeman | use mplayer and watch the vob files directly |
| 05:44.00 | dudeman | you will not require libdvdcss |
| 05:45.20 | owen1 | kgoetz: there are many vob files inside video_ts. i tryied 'mplayer file1.vob' but it didn't work. why do i have so many files? it's a single movie... |
| 05:45.38 | dudeman | owen1, I just told you. Sort files by size, and then look at the filenames |
| 05:45.45 | dudeman | look at the largest files in order of filename |
| 05:45.49 | owen1 | dudeman: ok |
| 05:45.54 | owen1 | dudeman: i'll give it a shot |
| 05:46.09 | dudeman | a lot of the vob files do not contain the actual movie, but other tidbits of menu information etc. |
| 05:46.27 | sparr | Are there any client-server-client desktop remote control applications for linux? Something like gotomypc or logmein |
| 05:46.36 | dudeman | sparr, VNC |
| 05:46.55 | dudeman | sparr, I recommend tightvncserver and xtightvncviwer. |
| 05:47.13 | sparr | dudeman: i think you misread my question |
| 05:47.36 | dudeman | sparr, how so? |
| 05:47.37 | kgoetz | !dvd |
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| 05:47.37 | dpkg | somebody said dvd was use <xine> (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), <vlc> or <ogle> (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about <decss>, or ask me about <libdvdcss>, or to burn a DVD check <wodim> or <growisofs>. See <dvd playback>, <dvd playback troubleshooting> |
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| 05:47.44 | kgoetz | owen1: ^^ |
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| 05:47.56 | sparr | dudeman: client-server-client, not client-server (vnc) |
| 05:48.13 | dudeman | sparr, what does that mean? |
| 05:48.31 | sparr | are you familiar with how gotomypc and logmein work? |
| 05:48.31 | kgoetz | dudeman: it means looking/controlling someones desktop via a 3rd party |
| 05:48.56 | dudeman | sparr, if they are windows programs, then you need to go to ##windows and ask about linux alternatives |
| 05:49.10 | sparr | i disagree |
| 05:49.21 | kgoetz | i agree with sparr on this one |
| 05:49.22 | dudeman | sparr, good luck. |
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| 05:49.59 | kgoetz | sparr: i'm not sure (in answer to your question) - i've never looked for suh a thing myself |
| 05:50.10 | dudeman | brilliant answer. |
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| 05:50.26 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 05:50.27 | adama | why would you want such a setup? seems to lend itself to paying for it |
| 05:50.35 | dudeman | Nazcafan, hi |
| 05:50.35 | sparr | adama: id be willing to pay for it |
| 05:50.41 | adama | and higher latency |
| 05:50.49 | adama | why not use vnc for free? |
| 05:50.57 | dudeman | because he has hangups. |
| 05:51.03 | Nazcafan | is there a way to tell synaptic not to install the recommended packages of a package you are upgrading? |
| 05:51.13 | dudeman | Nazcafan, I don't use synaptic |
| 05:51.21 | dudeman | Nazcafan, try aptitude -R install blah |
| 05:51.22 | sparr | vnc requires one end of the connection to be server-like. ie accept incoming connections. |
| 05:51.39 | dudeman | or upgrade |
| 05:51.51 | Nazcafan | dudeman: install should work, I guess |
| 05:51.54 | kgoetz | Nazcafan: if it honors apt.conf, you can set it in there iirc |
| 05:52.16 | dudeman | whatever you want |
| 05:52.44 | adama | sparr: true. well the answer is no, I've never heard of such a thing |
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| 05:53.55 | dudeman | kgoetz, Nazcafan, Apt::Install-Recommends {false}; |
| 05:54.03 | dudeman | use /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 05:54.09 | dudeman | create it if it does not exist. |
| 05:54.31 | dudeman | sometimes I need recommends and sometimes I don't |
| 05:54.48 | dudeman | I do not leave this option in side apt.conf, as I just simply use aptitude -R install/upgrade |
| 05:54.54 | samantha-b- | so i'm doing an rsync. works fine, except that the progress file count is wacky. it seems to be counting files done/files left on a partial, as-i-get there basis. so it'll go 1019/1956, then start a new subdir and jump to 1030/1968. how do i get it to do a full scan at startup so i can get an accurate picture of progress? |
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| 05:56.30 | dudeman | kgoetz, try and be a bit more helpful instead of half-assed advice. |
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| 05:56.47 | dudeman | kgoetz, with all due respect :) (seriously don't mind) |
| 05:57.17 | adama | Package linux-kbuild-2.6.22 is not available, but is referred to .... any idea where to get it (apt source)? |
| 05:57.24 | msshams | i compile one package with make and make install commands. please tell me how can i uninstall that package? |
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| 05:57.34 | Nazcafan | thanks dudeman |
| 05:57.47 | beardy | adama: When trying to install what, that you got from where? |
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| 05:58.09 | kgoetz | dudeman: no offense taken - i might go afk . help+headache==bad help :) |
| 05:58.12 | owen1 | dudeman: mplayer bigestfile.vob and i get: mplayer: could not connect to socket and mplayer: no such file or directory and failed to open LIRC and Seek Failed |
| 05:58.18 | dudeman | its alright mate :) |
| 05:58.21 | dudeman | go rest |
| 05:58.29 | adama | trying to install linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686 , it said Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.22 but it is not installable |
| 05:58.38 | Amarande | adama: you using lenny? |
| 05:58.38 | dudeman | owen1, I told you you would need libdvdcss |
| 05:58.47 | dudeman | owen1, /msg dpkg dmm |
| 05:58.50 | adama | Amarande: yes |
| 05:58.51 | owen1 | dudeman: oops. i guess i missed it. |
| 05:58.56 | Amarande | adama: get 2.6.26 instead |
| 05:59.16 | owen1 | !libdvdcss |
| 05:59.17 | dpkg | from memory, libdvdcss is a free software library for unscrambling CSS-encrypted DVDs which is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns. To get it, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian or ask me about <debian-multimedia.org> or <debian-unofficial> |
| 05:59.27 | wnight | Why would aptitude be very slow (2+ min) to 'Write extended state information' and quick to do everything else? It's this slow at this stage after every operation. |
| 05:59.27 | dudeman | owen1, after you've added the requried respositores, aptitude update;aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring;aptitude install libdvdcss2 w32codecs mplayer |
| 05:59.45 | owen1 | dudeman: ok. thanks |
| 05:59.50 | beardy | wnight: Because it does what it says. |
| 05:59.50 | dudeman | or w64codecs if you are on amd64 |
| 06:00.07 | beardy | wnight: How much RAM and load on the box? |
| 06:00.12 | adama | linux-image-2.6.26-1-486 ? |
| 06:00.15 | lkthomas_ | something really funny |
| 06:00.34 | wnight | -686... yeah |
| 06:00.48 | lkthomas_ | I config br0 bridge to 192.168.1.53, and another host which connected to that bridge as 192.168.1.186, both can't reach others, but they could reach outside |
| 06:01.52 | wnight | beardy: low load, 500 of a gig of ram used. |
| 06:02.30 | Amarande | lkthomas, what are you using on each machine to try to reach the other? |
| 06:02.34 | wnight | It used to do this quickly on this machine... But yes, with an older kernel at the time, I think. |
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| 06:02.42 | Amarande | if you're using ping, it could be that one or the other machine doesn't respond to ping |
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| 06:03.36 | lkthomas_ | not really |
| 06:03.41 | lkthomas_ | both machine could reach public |
| 06:03.47 | lkthomas_ | they just can't reach each other |
| 06:04.43 | Amarande | What application are you trying to use to reach 'each other'? |
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| 06:05.24 | lkthomas_ | nevermind |
| 06:05.30 | lkthomas_ | found the problem, thanks |
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| 06:06.28 | LeoDing | what's time publishing lenny???which day? I be tired of waiting it 。。。 |
| 06:06.53 | epsilon | december |
| 06:06.56 | epsilon | 2010 |
| 06:07.11 | raijin | lol |
| 06:07.31 | adama | !wir |
| 06:07.31 | dpkg | wir is, like, When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 06:08.11 | LeoDing | epsilon: 2010 ? Are you sure /??? |
| 06:08.23 | raijin | LeoDing: he jokes |
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| 06:09.18 | Amarande | Just friggin dist-upgrade to lenny, LeoDing |
| 06:09.41 | Amarande | as a general rule: never use debian stable unless you *really* need to, or it's recently been released. :) |
| 06:09.45 | daniiel | yeah, why wait? |
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| 06:10.19 | raijin | yea i am using lenny/sid/experimental |
| 06:10.55 | samantha-b- | lenny != sid ... pick one or you're begging for monumental problems. |
| 06:11.24 | samantha-b- | of course if you use sid, you're begging for monumental problems anyway ... |
| 06:11.24 | daniiel | i haven't used etch since it was testing..=) and with little problems (minus bleeding edge drivers here and there) |
| 06:11.36 | Amarande | samantha-b-, yeah, I was about to say, any more monumental than using full-blown sid? :) |
| 06:12.01 | epsilon | does anyone know any good LDAP user auth howto for etch? |
| 06:12.08 | samantha-b- | Amarande, quite possibly, because the brokenness you induce may not be fixed by the next update to sid. :-) |
| 06:12.11 | epsilon | can't find one :/ |
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| 06:12.35 | Amarande | samantha-b-, which is balanced by the high probability in sid of a working package getting replaced by a broken one :) |
| 06:13.17 | samantha-b- | Amarande, it's funny, i ran sid for like three years and never had any significant problems with it. until the switch from xfree to xorg ... and then it went to shit for months. :-) |
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| 06:14.48 | LeoDing | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:15.38 | kdas | daniiel: yay!!! |
| 06:15.45 | samantha-b- | has a new name been chosen for the next iteration of testing? |
| 06:15.51 | Amarande | oh goody, new version of fglrx is out |
| 06:16.11 | daniiel | kdas it worked? |
| 06:16.12 | Amarande | let's see if I can actually build a lenny package with this one :| |
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| 06:16.17 | dudeman | !testing |
| 06:16.17 | dpkg | methinks testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. Testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages, or ask me about <moving target>. |
| 06:16.26 | miksuh | samantha-b-: yep |
| 06:16.31 | dudeman | yeh |
| 06:16.34 | dudeman | i forgot it |
| 06:16.37 | kdas | daniiel: i guess i just need to use debians firmware rather then newest ? |
| 06:17.10 | daniiel | *nod |
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| 06:17.35 | kdas | daniiel: well now you wanna move on to sound ? |
| 06:17.36 | kdas | lol |
| 06:17.46 | miksuh | samantha-b-: next debian after lenny will be Squeeze |
| 06:17.58 | samantha-b- | miksuh, which one was squeeze? |
| 06:18.13 | Amarande | I can't even remember who Lenny was |
| 06:18.15 | miksuh | three-eyed space alien |
| 06:18.16 | miksuh | :) |
| 06:18.16 | LeoDing | raijin:sid=unstable,current,lenny=testing,what's difference between sid and lenny ? |
| 06:18.33 | samantha-b- | lenny was the binoculars. so we've moved to TS2? |
| 06:18.43 | miksuh | alien = squeeze |
| 06:18.55 | dudeman | who picked toy story/ |
| 06:18.57 | dudeman | ? |
| 06:19.43 | samantha-b- | some stupid admin somewhere. kinda like an ISP i used to work at. the machines were named after starships in the star trek universe. the master auth server was, of course, enterprise. |
| 06:20.00 | Amarande | grrr, the 8.9 fglrx STILL doesn't build on lenny |
| 06:20.08 | Amarande | wtf did they do to fakeroot in lenny that broke it |
| 06:20.16 | Amarande | never had this issue on etch. :| |
| 06:20.32 | dudeman | samantha-b-, hahaha |
| 06:20.48 | dudeman | I never liked sci-fi until recently. |
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| 06:21.06 | Amarande | ahh, *now* I figure it out |
| 06:21.08 | raijin | LeoDing: lenny is testing, its the prep for the next release, things are somewhat more trustable (hypothetically) |
| 06:21.19 | dudeman | !rc count |
| 06:21.24 | Amarande | apparently, they changed the build process for fglrx under lenny, you now fakeroot it automatically without needing to |
| 06:21.26 | dudeman | doh |
| 06:21.30 | Amarande | o.0 |
| 06:21.32 | Amarande | one problem though |
| 06:21.37 | Amarande | "ldconfig: Command not found"? |
| 06:22.14 | samantha-b- | Amarande, root or sudo? must be logged in as root usually or you'll get that. |
| 06:22.15 | dudeman | http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=lenny |
| 06:22.42 | dudeman | dpkg rc count is http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=lenny |
| 06:22.43 | dpkg | okay, dudeman |
| 06:23.34 | Amarande | let's try it with PATH=$PATH:/sbin && and then the usual ... |
| 06:23.36 | Amarande | BINGO. |
| 06:23.50 | Amarande | amarande@alviarin:~/fglrx$ PATH=$PATH:/sbin && sh ~/Desktop/Downloads/ati-driver-installer-8-9-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Debian/lenny |
| 06:23.56 | Amarande | this appears to be the way you have to do it on lenny |
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| 06:24.15 | LeoDing | raijin:your meaning is lenny's software is trustable,and it's official,but sid's software is not officia ??? |
| 06:24.24 | Amarande | perhaps this should be added to the fglrx info in dpkg? |
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| 06:24.52 | oc80z | there is just way too many bans in here lol.. |
| 06:24.55 | oc80z | whats up ppl :D |
| 06:25.54 | Amarande | hmm, also, the X consortium should be larting ATI |
| 06:26.01 | Amarande | they used the term "X-Windows" :| |
| 06:26.08 | dudeman | what? |
| 06:26.19 | dudeman | blasphemy! |
| 06:26.29 | Amarande | dudeman, "X-Windows" is on the short list of bad things to call X :) |
| 06:26.35 | raijin | LeoDing: not untrusable but not for production machines |
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| 06:27.55 | Amarande | hmm, I don't like the look of this one though |
| 06:27.57 | Amarande | "Launching and exiting Xterm multiple times may intermittently result in a segmentation fault under X server" |
| 06:28.12 | Amarande | umm ... I think that's a little severe of a bug for release? :| |
| 06:28.32 | dudeman | then don't "Launching and exiting Xterm multiple times" |
| 06:28.42 | dudeman | simple fix. |
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| 06:29.41 | daniiel | or try another terminal emulator ? |
| 06:29.53 | deblen | i am using ethrenet r8168B is not working |
| 06:29.59 | Amarande | well, I use gnome-terminal anyway :) |
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| 06:30.25 | deblen | what package to install for r8168B ethernet card |
| 06:30.28 | Amarande | but ... I take that to mean, if you have a long session, well you're bound to run multiple terminal instances eventually ... |
| 06:30.43 | Amarande | deblen, that's a kernel driver issue, and probably means your ethernet card is not supported by Linux |
| 06:31.12 | deblen | Amarande, then what to do |
| 06:31.39 | Amarande | anyway, I guess it's time to test and see if this causes a system hang anymore under the circumstances it used to |
| 06:33.02 | deblen | Amarande, the reply is for me |
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| 06:33.23 | Amarande | deblen, you need to install a supported ethernet card |
| 06:33.36 | Amarande | I can recommend the Intel 1000/GT |
| 06:34.21 | deblen | Amarande, where is it available |
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| 06:36.11 | deblen | Amarande, is it available in package |
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| 06:40.12 | Amarande | deblen, ethernet cards are supported or not supported by the linux kernel |
| 06:40.18 | Amarande | when you install debian, you already installed the kernel |
| 06:40.30 | Amarande | agh |
| 06:40.36 | Amarande | what's the command to find out what package provides a given file on your HD? |
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| 06:42.22 | raijin | Amarande: you can do it at packages.debian.org |
| 06:42.42 | raijin | idk of a cli command |
| 06:42.52 | raijin | apt-search? |
| 06:43.11 | samantha-b- | it'll be interesting to see how long after release the stable and testing repositories remain the same. one or two seconds is my bet. |
| 06:43.38 | LeoDing | raijin: what's your meaning of this sentence( "not untrusable but not for production machines" )\ |
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| 06:44.35 | raijin | LeoDing: not unusable or anything but those packages in sid are generally untrustworthy for use in a work environment |
| 06:44.50 | benjamindees | he means unreliable |
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| 06:45.11 | benjamindees | unstable, qed |
| 06:45.22 | raijin | benjamindees: i think he is a non english speaker |
| 06:45.26 | Amarande | aaarrrgghhhh |
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| 06:45.29 | benjamindees | yes |
| 06:45.30 | Amarande | every time I go to m-a a-i fglrx |
| 06:45.31 | raijin | which is hy he is asking |
| 06:45.45 | Amarande | it keeps trying to download and produce the module for the version that's on the lenny repository |
| 06:45.52 | Assid | hi i have a fresh box, i loaded etch onto last night, now (8 odd hrs later) i am trying to connect to it over ssh, and it seems to just be sluggish. the loads show as 0.00 (nothing running on it as such), however everything is just slow. I tried to reboot.. which it said its going to do so now, but nothing happened. the reboot command is running in the background (you can see it in the cli) |
| 06:45.52 | Amarande | rather than the source I just installed via dpkg manually |
| 06:46.00 | Amarande | apparently, 1:8-7-2 is newer than 8.532? |
| 06:46.09 | Amarande | or considered to be by apt, anyway |
| 06:46.29 | Assid | everything is just slow, it feels like loads of over 10 |
| 06:46.37 | yigal | is there a way to do something about a misbehaving old pre-removal script ? |
| 06:46.48 | yigal | so I can a working apt again? |
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| 06:47.37 | Amarande | Preparing to replace fglrx-kernel-src 8.532-1 (using .../fglrx-kernel-src_1%3a8-7-2_all.deb) ... |
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| 06:47.46 | Amarande | is there a way to make module-assistant NOT do that particular fail? |
| 06:47.54 | kgoetz | yigal: edit the problematic script i guess. |
| 06:48.04 | Amarande | apparently, 8-7-2 is considered newer than 8.532-1 (which is 8.9) |
| 06:48.07 | Assid | can someone help me in this, I need to start working on the rest of the stuff to make it life |
| 06:48.08 | Assid | live |
| 06:48.16 | yigal | kgoetz: I hope not I'm not a python programmer |
| 06:48.17 | Amarande | even "aptitude hold fglrx-kernel-src" doesn't stop it |
| 06:48.26 | raijin | Amarande: man m-a? |
| 06:48.32 | yigal | kgoetz: and it's for gedit? |
| 06:48.37 | raijin | i think you have to specify the version |
| 06:48.40 | Amarande | raijin: does m-a disregard holds? |
| 06:48.51 | kgoetz | yigal: debians postrm scripts are sh, not python |
| 06:48.56 | raijin | Amarande: not sure i think so |
| 06:49.07 | raijin | Amarande: not a debian expert |
| 06:49.24 | Assid | anyone? |
| 06:49.51 | yigal | kgoetz: the error is traced back to python though? sorry I'm not knowledgable enough to help myself |
| 06:50.15 | kgoetz | yigal: perhaps give me the details again |
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| 06:50.43 | kgoetz | Assid: is your hardware ok? |
| 06:50.49 | daniiel | what do you mean by "sluggish" what specifically is slow (aside from everything=) |
| 06:50.55 | Assid | methinks yes |
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| 06:51.18 | Assid | daniiel: no other answer to that.. everything is the right answer.. even to ssh.. i had to open like a few connections |
| 06:51.29 | Assid | it didnt even want to reboot |
| 06:51.42 | yigal | kgoetz: I am trying to install "locales" and a few other pretty useful packages but I cannot as there is a problem with installing gedit, I am using lenny i386, gedit_2.22.3-1_i386.deb |
| 06:51.46 | Assid | its a remote pc - in another city - 2 hrs by flight |
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| 06:52.11 | samantha-b- | so get in your little pedal-powered biplane and get moving! |
| 06:52.22 | Amarande | apparently, it doesn't honor forbid-version, either |
| 06:52.29 | Assid | even the reboot command got hung.. somehow after killing hald, X and gdm it finally started rebooting stuff |
| 06:52.48 | kgoetz | yigal: can you pastebin the error? |
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| 06:52.51 | Assid | reminds me of windows days, where sometimes the pc doesnt wnat to finish the shutdown sequence, cause of hung processes |
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| 06:54.59 | Amarande | ok, NOW I think I just got it installed. :) |
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| 06:55.08 | Amarande | So much in the HOWTO that needs to be updated now ... |
| 06:55.19 | samantha-b- | Assid, you're suggesting that such things NEVER happen on debian? |
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| 06:55.40 | Assid | samantha-b-: not in the few years ive used it as a server |
| 06:56.29 | samantha-b- | Assid, let users log in sometime. :-) |
| 06:56.45 | Assid | never really needed to |
| 06:57.28 | fronak | After my last upgrade, during boot-up, I get: /etc/rcS.d/S03udev: line 292: udevtrigger: command not found. failed." and the boot hangs here for about 10 mins. before continuing. When the system is up, all my comm devices do not function. what is wrong? |
| 06:57.36 | yigal | kgoetz: http://pastebin.ws/913763614 |
| 06:58.23 | yigal | kgoetz: it has all kinds of language output errors sorry if I could install locales it there wouldn't be that problem, and thank you for looking |
| 06:58.37 | Assid | err anyone remember the bind9 directive to bind it to an ip address |
| 06:58.53 | Assid | err. listen-on - got it |
| 06:59.10 | samantha-b- | Assid, sudo apt-get remove bind ... and install tinydns instead. :-) |
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| 06:59.29 | Assid | personally i prefer pdns :P |
| 07:00.31 | yigal | kgoetz: no matter what I do I get this error |
| 07:00.44 | samantha-b- | i forgot how long it's been since i jacked with tinydns. which is exactly what i want in a dns server. :-) |
| 07:00.47 | yigal | s/this/these |
| 07:00.49 | kgoetz | yigal: your using en.AU and a US mirror? |
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| 07:01.29 | fronak | forgot to mention I am running Lenny. |
| 07:01.32 | Assid | ohg crap.. i just blew up one of my mainstream servers.. wrong putty window |
| 07:01.38 | Assid | AARGGH.. someone shoot me |
| 07:01.53 | yigal | kgoetz: for some reason it uses en.AU if you don't have the locales you set as default, for me en.US |
| 07:02.11 | yigal | kgoetz: alphabetically I guess it makes some sense |
| 07:02.19 | fronak | no expert around? |
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| 07:02.59 | yigal | kgoetz: but only partial sense |
| 07:03.08 | SparFux | Is there a debian package to select pictures? Like displaying them fullscreen and having key strokes select wether to hard-link them into a different directory for later sending or printing? |
| 07:03.16 | kgoetz | yigal: wierd, but cool. |
| 07:03.43 | kgoetz | yigal: try running with LC_ALL and LANGUAGE set to "C", it should remove the perl errors, and might make whats goign wrong clearer |
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| 07:04.08 | yigal | kgoetz: right |
| 07:04.22 | kgoetz | fronak: sounds like you broke udev (or lenny did) |
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| 07:04.51 | Assid | samantha-b-: got a gun? shoot me |
| 07:04.58 | Assid | i just made my life difficult |
| 07:05.00 | Amarande | well, 8.9 is no better than any earlier ATI drivers, and there goes a week of uptime :( |
| 07:05.05 | Amarande | on a different note |
| 07:05.13 | Amarande | is this a bug or a feature when it comes to sound configuration on lenny? |
| 07:05.26 | Amarande | every time I reboot, my sound configuration gets screwed up and I have to re-run alsaconf to get things the way they're supposed to be |
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| 07:05.35 | samantha-b- | Assid, no but i know a good travel agent who can get you to your server quickly :-) |
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| 07:05.52 | Amarande | is there a bug with alsaconf not saving things properly, or is this some kind of feature in another package (probably udev or the like)? |
| 07:05.58 | Assid | the server i blew up is on the other side of the world |
| 07:06.10 | yigal | kgoetz: http://pastebin.ws/1152687021 |
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| 07:06.36 | Assid | brb.. reboot |
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| 07:06.56 | Amarande | Basically, every time I reboot, I find that my volume control says my sound device is "Digital-1: muted" |
| 07:07.03 | Amarande | instead of "Analog Front" like it should be |
| 07:07.07 | Amarande | and I have to re-run alsaconf to fix it. |
| 07:07.11 | Amarande | why does this happen? |
| 07:07.39 | Amarande | or is this a permanent problem that everyone who uses debian with a video card that supports HDMI out will have to wrestle with forever (or until we go back to windows)? |
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| 07:08.02 | daniiel | whats HDMI ? sounds fancy =P |
| 07:08.23 | kgoetz | yigal: this wont help you much, but its not the install script at fault - its what its trying to calls fault |
| 07:08.33 | kgoetz | yigal: if there isnta bug you should probably file one. |
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| 07:08.54 | yigal | kgoetz: it's pretty bad |
| 07:09.03 | outlaw84 | I wanto copy file from one directory/mount to another with the file dates from the "old" file... when I copy with 'cp /source . -Ruv' the dates get set to when the new file was created |
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| 07:10.07 | kgoetz | yigal: if i read it correctly, listdir() is getting something passed in a way it doesnt like - its probably a 2 minute fix, if they are aware of it |
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| 07:10.20 | kgoetz | outlaw84: -a |
| 07:11.10 | outlaw84 | kgoetz: might that update the date for the files already created or do I need to recopy all files? |
| 07:11.18 | rmrfchik | what software [in debian] can record video/audio from built-in webcam? |
| 07:11.36 | yigal | kgoetz: ya, that is what I assumed, passing a string as something else or visa versa I just can't do much, feel a bit helpless |
| 07:11.43 | kgoetz | rmrfchik: built in webcams are usually juts usb |
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| 07:11.51 | rmrfchik | kgoetz: and? |
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| 07:12.03 | kgoetz | outlaw84: not sure, but i expeect it will update the datestamp |
| 07:12.12 | outlaw84 | rmrfchik: try to locate its link in /dev and try to open it with say vlc |
| 07:12.16 | kgoetz | yigal: i'm not on lenny, so i cant really check. |
| 07:12.19 | rmrfchik | kgoetz: I can see video with luvcview |
| 07:12.31 | yigal | kgoetz: etch? |
| 07:12.39 | rmrfchik | and want to record video/audio |
| 07:12.43 | kgoetz | rmrfchik: my point is the internal bit is irrelevent - any tool in debian that supports webcams should work. |
| 07:12.45 | outlaw84 | kgoetz: it seams to "fix" the date for the already created files as well, thanks |
| 07:12.46 | kgoetz | yigal: me, yeah |
| 07:12.51 | kgoetz | outlaw84: cool |
| 07:12.53 | rmrfchik | ok. |
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| 07:13.02 | outlaw84 | rmrfchik: you could use ffmpeg |
| 07:13.05 | rmrfchik | what software [in debian] can record video/audio from webcam (ok, /dev/video0)? |
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| 07:13.08 | outlaw84 | or perhaps kino |
| 07:13.14 | rmrfchik | outlaw84: ah.. will check. thanks |
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| 07:15.14 | jim_p | hi there |
| 07:15.48 | yigal | kgoetz: smart, it seems an application I don't use is borking my system, or at least making it difficult for me |
| 07:16.30 | kgoetz | yigal: you may be able to remove gedit safely - never tried |
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| 07:17.58 | yigal | kgoetz: I should try |
| 07:18.20 | jim_p | i have one minor problem. i installed a new ntfs drive on my pc, did the apropriate changes in fstab, and the drive mounts fine, i can see its contents from the mounted folder, but it does not show under "Computer" . Why? |
| 07:18.21 | yigal | kgoetz: dpkg -L | xargs rm -f , :) |
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| 07:18.45 | yigal | excuse me s/-L/-L gedit |
| 07:18.56 | lazyfrosch | jim_p: were did you mount the drive to |
| 07:18.56 | kgoetz | yigal: erm.... i guess thats one way to do it o_0 |
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| 07:19.07 | kgoetz | you could go for dpkg -p as well (or apt-get --purge remove) |
| 07:19.16 | yigal | kgoetz: doesn't work, same problem |
| 07:19.19 | jim_p | lazyfrosch: in /mnt/large |
| 07:19.36 | lazyfrosch | jim_p: mount it to /media/something |
| 07:19.49 | yigal | as apt-get install -f, but I think I need to manually play with /var/cache/apt ? or where? |
| 07:19.59 | lazyfrosch | jim_p: as far as i know only mounts there are shouwn |
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| 07:20.01 | lazyfrosch | -u |
| 07:20.07 | jim_p | lazyfrosch: the line in fstab is "/dev/sdb1/mnt/largentfs-3gdefaults,locale=el_GR.UTF-8 0 0" |
| 07:20.43 | jim_p | lazyfrosch: my other ntfs mounts ARE shown in "Computer" |
| 07:20.46 | jim_p | 2 more |
| 07:21.55 | yigal | kgoetz: can I delete the post-script, and either substitute it for a dummy or if that isn't need just let it be, and manually delete the files for gedit? |
| 07:22.01 | daniiel | how to start/stop/restart alsa ? |
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| 07:22.41 | joshux | is there any gui program to edit .iso files |
| 07:23.00 | kgoetz | yigal: you can 'exit 0' the postinst script - its ugly as sin, but works if you know you may break stuff along the way |
| 07:23.11 | Gruelius | Hey, im after a program that creates/checks md5 sums recursively. md5deep allready does that but its not part of debian repo's afaik, so i sorta cbf compiling lol. |
| 07:23.12 | jim_p | joshux: iso master |
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| 07:24.02 | joshux | jim_p:cool thanks |
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| 07:24.31 | yigal | kgoetz: how is that done? |
| 07:25.14 | kgoetz | yigal: iirc the files in /var/lib/dpkg/lists/<appname>.scriptname |
| 07:25.24 | jim_p | Gruelius: you can check them at one if you paste all the md5s on a text file and issue a "md5sum -c sums.txt" |
| 07:27.06 | joshux | nice soft iso master |
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| 07:27.22 | jim_p | Gruelius: and you can create them at once by "md5sum file1 file2 file2 > sums.txt" |
| 07:27.43 | samantha-b- | yawn. a download of the etch business card installer is slowing down my porn download. |
| 07:27.53 | Gruelius | jim_p: that has worked for me but it doesnt enter the directories and i dont think there are any paramaters that let me do so |
| 07:28.24 | jim_p | Gruelius: yea this is a flaw i thing, recursing |
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| 07:28.42 | Gruelius | and my scripting isnt too good, would rather just use a package that can do it for me, guess ill just compile md5deep shouldnt be too hard |
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| 07:29.22 | xoz | yigal: what package has the problem? |
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| 07:31.13 | yigal | xoz: gedit |
| 07:32.01 | yigal | xoz: I'm a vim user, although I'm not attempting a flame war just trying to say I don't actually use gedit for anything |
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| 07:34.49 | daniiel | nano! |
| 07:34.52 | daniiel | =) |
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| 07:35.24 | Gruelius | is it ok to compile/install programs as root? |
| 07:36.10 | jim_p | Gruelius: the best thing to do, if you are ok with compiling, is to make packages of them |
| 07:36.15 | samantha-b- | at least i found something entertaining to do while this box installs. |
| 07:36.20 | jim_p | Gruelius: and then install |
| 07:36.21 | samantha-b- | wish i had a local mirror. |
| 07:36.31 | samantha-b- | i actually used to maintain a sarge mirror ... when it was testing. |
| 07:37.10 | Gruelius | jim_p: how do i install it? ive compiled it , done make make install and the binary app works but its only in the directory where i compiled it |
| 07:37.22 | Gruelius | do i just copy the file to some directory somewhere? |
| 07:37.29 | samantha-b- | Gruelius, make install as root. |
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| 07:37.57 | jim_p | Gruelius: did you run "make install" as root? |
| 07:38.01 | Gruelius | yeah |
| 07:38.18 | samantha-b- | what's the program you're trying to install? |
| 07:38.22 | jim_p | Gruelius: make as root? |
| 07:38.34 | Gruelius | md5deep and yes i did everything as root |
| 07:38.53 | samantha-b- | Gruelius, leave the build directory and use "which md5deep" and see what it isays. |
| 07:39.43 | Gruelius | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:39.47 | Gruelius | and that app works |
| 07:39.58 | Gruelius | how do i get it to run by just typing md5deep? |
| 07:40.00 | samantha-b- | Gruelius, and is /usr/local/bin in your path? (i didn't think so) |
| 07:40.20 | Gruelius | samantha-b: no idea |
| 07:40.31 | samantha-b- | Gruelius, google .bashrc |
| 07:40.50 | Gruelius | ah i see how it works :) whats the path for root? can i just make a symbolic link? and ill go gizoogle that |
| 07:41.11 | samantha-b- | you can make a symlink from /usr/bin if you wish. it might work. |
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| 07:41.19 | samantha-b- | you could also move the binary, that might work. |
| 07:41.26 | Gruelius | whats the easiest way? |
| 07:41.39 | samantha-b- | if you wanted to do it properly, you'd learn how to tell make where to install, and redo make install so it installs to the right way. |
| 07:41.54 | samantha-b- | i'd start with mv and see if it breaks. |
| 07:42.00 | streuner | does somebody use amd64 and etch, are you able to install slapd? |
| 07:42.16 | rchi | just add /usr/local/bin to ya $PATH |
| 07:42.29 | samantha-b- | rchi, that's going to be beyond him :-) |
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| 07:42.45 | Gruelius | still reading about .bashrc |
| 07:42.46 | rchi | its a one liner |
| 07:43.16 | samantha-b- | Gruelius, rchi and i (by pointing you to bashrc) are saying the same thing. |
| 07:43.25 | binarymutant | does anyone know if the fibonacci patch for DWM work in the new 5.2 release? |
| 07:44.24 | SparFux | Gruelius: You need to tweak your PATH environment variable for this in the shell startup files. Be aware that .profile and .bash_profile are executed for lognin shells, while .bashrc is executed for interactive shells. |
| 07:45.05 | SparFux | # File: ~/.bash_interactive # Startup-file for interactive non-login and login shells. |
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| 07:45.41 | SparFux | For .bash_interactive, put this in # File: ~/.bash_profile ~/.bash_login or in ~/.profile |
| 07:45.43 | samantha-b- | if he doesn't know what he's doing, mv is faster but more prone to future problems. :-) |
| 07:45.50 | SparFux | [ -f ~/.bash_interactive ] && source ~/.bash_interactive |
| 07:46.01 | Gruelius | na id like to learn. Still gotta finish reading |
| 07:46.24 | SparFux | This way you have a further file for startup, which is executed for every interactive shell, login and not login. |
| 07:46.50 | SparFux | Gruelius: Ok, just wanted to mention. This was one problem I had in former days. How to execute startup commands for every interactive shell. |
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| 07:47.25 | SparFux | copied broken 160GB disk to a 750 GB disk puh! |
| 07:47.26 | Gruelius | so every startup i would be changing the bash path to /usr/local/bin |
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| 07:48.05 | SparFux | Gruelius: You have to be careful to have a path you trust. Like you don't want to put in binary dirs which can be written by other users. PATH is security relevant! |
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| 07:48.45 | samantha-b- | Gruelius, the "PATH" variable tells the shell where to search for executable programs to run. What you'll be doing is telling it to ALSO search /usr/local/bin. But like SparFux says, on a multi-user system, jacking with it can be a security hazard. On the other hand, on a box it's okay to trash ... what's the worst you'll do? Trash it? |
| 07:48.47 | SparFux | Gruelius: Generally you wnat to have /bin:/usrbin in your PATH. |
| 07:48.53 | sobersabre | hi guys. what can cause NIS user not to be able to change a password ? |
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| 07:49.05 | rchi | Gruelius, there is a way you can tell .bashrc to use $PATH and then /usr/local/bin as well as its PATH. think about it |
| 07:49.40 | SparFux | export PATH="~/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:$PATH" |
| 07:49.47 | Gruelius | Right, yeah i was thinking if it changed it id lose the apps only root can find |
| 07:49.56 | Gruelius | sweet |
| 07:49.58 | samantha-b- | Gruelius, not if you do it right. |
| 07:50.12 | SparFux | Gruelius: It's like export PATH="<my new path stuff seperated by :>:$PATH" where $PATH is the old path so you add stuff to it. |
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| 07:50.49 | Gruelius | and so thats a new command that will be executed each time i login to a shell |
| 07:50.52 | SparFux | Gruelius: Many apps for root are useful for users, too. Like /sbin/ip can show network interfaces to normal users, too. |
| 07:50.53 | samantha-b- | Gruelius, I usually compile user-only programs to install to ~/bin, and then put that in PATH as well. That way the binaries live in my home directory and aren't generally accessible by other users. (Which, on my system, isn't a problem; the other user is so dumb she wouldn't know a CLI if it shit in her hair.) |
| 07:51.09 | Gruelius | SparFux: yeah i noticed that some were usefull but i havnet got around to changing it |
| 07:51.35 | rchi | it goes in order, so if you create a a program called ls in your new path dirs, your <ls>is favoured over the gnu ls if $PATH isn't first in the PATH |
| 07:51.36 | SparFux | Gruelius: if you have a linux distrivution like debian, it's wise to only add trusted paths to it. |
| 07:51.42 | rchi | if that makes any sense at all lol |
| 07:52.09 | samantha-b- | okay. bedtime for bonzo, and i'm playing the chimp. hasta. |
| 07:52.09 | SparFux | Yes, that's why I put my own path elements first, so they superseed the debian stuff. |
| 07:52.21 | rchi | oh, ok. |
| 07:52.26 | SparFux | Like my ~/bin is a directory of my own where I put own scripts in. |
| 07:52.30 | Gruelius | yes it all makes sense |
| 07:52.50 | SparFux | And if I have a script ls then I want ls to be it and not the original /bin/ls. |
| 07:52.59 | Gruelius | yeah |
| 07:53.03 | rchi | cool bananas! |
| 07:53.09 | SparFux | Otherwise I would rename it so myls or whatever. |
| 07:53.12 | samantha-b- | Gruelius, remember that search order IS significant ... so if you have overlap, first match in the search order, as shown in the PATH variable, wins. can cause all kinds of problems if you're dumb, so be careful. nite. |
| 07:53.13 | Gruelius | so the line you made for me export PATH="~/bin:/usr/local/sbin: /usr/sbin:/sbin:$PATH sits in .bashrc for the root user |
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| 07:53.39 | Gruelius | samantha-b-: cheers, yeah hopefully nothing bad will come out of it |
| 07:54.38 | SparFux | samantha-b and Gruelius: Yes, and it is important to note that it is ill advised to put . in your path. It can be confusing and dangerous. Consider your . is /home/eviluser, then you type ls, and you path is PATH=".:/bin:/usr/bin:..." Then the first thing ls would executed is /home/eviluser/ls if eviluser put some ls script in her own home directory! |
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| 07:55.06 | SparFux | In old dos days, . was in the search path by default! |
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| 07:57.17 | tview | when I boot my two external USB drives are not auto mounting. There is the auto clause in the fstab. When I bring up naultilus I just see "external 250 gig" or somesuch in the lef panel and only when I click on it does it mount and the name change to the mount point name. Any suggestions? |
| 07:57.31 | tacit | I'm trying to bootstrap a machine w/ debian. It has a working grub on it. From the lenny weekly DVD, I copied over install.i386/{initrd.gz,vmlinuz} and booted via grub. I would need network drivers now, how do I add them? debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/ has no floppies like for etch. |
| 07:57.31 | Gruelius | am i better off by just installing md5deep to the root user path? |
| 07:57.47 | SparFux | I need a fast way to destroy a huge ext3 filesystem. I want to sell a harddrive. The contents are encrypted, but I think it is a good idea to even trash the fs. So, perhaps I just have to reformat it and it will delete all inode info and so on? |
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| 07:59.04 | tacit | SparFux: "badblocks -svw -t 0x00 /dev/hda", or "dd if=/dev/zero bs=512 of=/dev/hda" You better create a clean partition and a file system otherwise some might return the drive as defective :-) |
| 07:59.19 | tview | SparFux: http://www.linux.com/feature/135944 |
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| 07:59.35 | SparFux | tacit: This takes a long time. The contents are encrypted, so I think it would be enough for me to just severely damage the fs. |
| 08:00.10 | SparFux | tview: wipe takes even more time :-) It is 160 GB ide drive ;-) |
| 08:00.21 | tacit | SparFux: It should only take an hour or si. |
| 08:00.46 | tacit | Just zero over it and be done. |
| 08:00.49 | tview | Well you want it secure. Nothing is for free. |
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| 08:01.11 | SparFux | tacit: Ok, perhaps you're right. I should do it thoroughly, encrypted or not doesn't matter. |
| 08:01.39 | tview | frankly if it was encrypted I think youre fine anyway. Who are you selling to to? THe CIA? :-; |
| 08:01.48 | tacit | SparFux: Well I don't believe in wiping. I work for military and we destroy drives, wiped or not. |
| 08:02.05 | SparFux | I choose the zero-out method. wipe is really much effort. I don't think somebody will do magnetic field microscopy on my drive AND crack the AES encryption ;-) |
| 08:02.13 | tview | tacit: thats because you had more money than sense. Taxpayers money that is :-; |
| 08:02.42 | SparFux | tacit, tview: There are issues with the disk cache which may prevent overwriting of data by wipe ;-) |
| 08:02.43 | tacit | tview: I think it does protect assets doing so. |
| 08:03.09 | tacit | There is this whole relocated blocks issue so we don't take a chance. |
| 08:03.11 | SparFux | tacit: So you melt the drive? :-) |
| 08:03.40 | SparFux | Ah, yes, the block relocation issue even! ;-) |
| 08:03.56 | tacit | SparFux: Maybe I should follow a drive to find out. "Hey, get off that truck!" |
| 08:04.29 | tview | tacit: there are mayn ways of reliably wiping a hard drive where even the nosey military can not find anything of interest. No need to destroy it. But I guess its all about arse covering so .. in the bin it goes. |
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| 08:05.25 | tview | Anyway, did anyone read my quetion about usb auto mount? |
| 08:05.32 | SparFux | tview: my drive does contain personal information, encrypted. But it's not so personal and critical if it is published that I would destroy the drive to protect it ;-) |
| 08:05.53 | SparFux | tview: I don't know anything about automount. |
| 08:06.11 | tview | SparFux: just reformat the damn thing. No one is goignt o break your encryption on a formatted driver. |
| 08:06.14 | SparFux | I do it manually. And besides, how do you auto-umount anyway? |
| 08:06.33 | tview | auto-umount?!? |
| 08:06.35 | SparFux | tview: I will. |
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| 08:07.30 | SparFux | tview: if I have to manually umount, then I can even manually mount. That's why I never checked for auto-mount stuff. |
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| 08:07.42 | meeero | debian builts of mysql-server-5 do not support openssl, true? |
| 08:07.54 | SparFux | Is there usbeject like cdeject which will eject my usb stick?? ;-) |
| 08:09.17 | tacit | Is main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ intended for booting from hard drive? |
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| 08:11.30 | streuner | SparFux |
| 08:11.48 | streuner | useYOURfingers ;-) |
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| 08:11.51 | SparFux | The 160GB drive is even broken I think. I repeatedly get i/o errors and can only access it again then by rebooting. Perhaps THIS drive is responsible for my system crashes. |
| 08:11.55 | SparFux | Hi streuner! |
| 08:12.22 | ArtVandalae | Hi all, my ifconfig doesn't display my ethernet adapter, only a loopback device. Does this mean that the ethernet driver is not installed/loaded? or can it be another reason? |
| 08:12.27 | streuner | shouldn't important for the kernel |
| 08:12.34 | SparFux | Ok, but I agree, usb-automount is quite comfortable. |
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| 08:12.41 | daniiel | try ifconfig -a |
| 08:12.56 | ArtVandalae | daniiel, ah it's there... that gives me some more room |
| 08:13.10 | daniiel | that means it's down |
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| 08:13.34 | ArtVandalae | daniiel, great, just did ifconfig eth1 up, it's there now, thanks |
| 08:13.51 | daniiel | try ifup eth1 |
| 08:14.01 | daniiel | you might like the reults better =) |
| 08:14.18 | daniiel | and for down: ifdown eth1 |
| 08:14.29 | bergwolf | Hi, anybody knows how to use ftp source to install lenny via netboot ? |
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| 08:14.42 | bergwolf | I can't find such an option |
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| 08:16.28 | ArtVandalae | daniiel, great, after configuring /etc/network/interfaces it worked. Is there any reason it assigned eth1 as opposed to eth0? Even the interfaces file showed eth0 |
| 08:16.33 | bergwolf | lenny netboot assumes http sources, but I need to use ftp protocol. etch netboot provides with such an option, but don't know why lenny delete it |
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| 08:18.26 | daniiel | artvandalae, are you using lenny? |
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| 08:19.10 | ArtVandalae | daniiel, yes |
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| 08:19.35 | daniiel | udev might've renamed it |
| 08:19.49 | daniiel | do you have only one interface of two? |
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| 08:19.57 | daniiel | *or |
| 08:20.09 | ArtVandalae | daniiel, yeah, just the one. But it's under a VM, so who knows what might have happened |
| 08:20.29 | daniiel | ah, maybe i no little about vm's |
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| 08:20.53 | SparFux | destroying the drive contents... |
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| 08:21.59 | daniiel | you can check in /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 08:22.15 | daniiel | look for persistant-net-rules |
| 08:22.19 | daniiel | file |
| 08:22.55 | daniiel | to check the renaming rules, set the interface name to eth0 if it's eth1 for some reason |
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| 08:26.01 | giannerini | estou away - Motivo: Inativo por mais de 30mins - ¡ltr0.3 |
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| 08:34.19 | g0rd0n | hello! my server abruptly rebooted sometime last night, and can't find any useful information in the logs. i suspect there might be some hardware problem. is there a way i can find out remotely? i have a software raid1, how can i test the hard drives for example? |
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| 08:35.45 | simonrvn | dmidecode, sensors, smartctl, some monitoring thing like nagios (though that has to have been set up already...) |
| 08:35.50 | simonrvn | g0rd0n: ^^^ |
| 08:37.21 | g0rd0n | simonrvn: you mean lm-sensors? |
| 08:37.49 | simonrvn | of course |
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| 08:41.23 | g0rd0n | simonrvn: hmm smartmontools does not detect any drives, and there is nothing in man smartd.conf about software raid (mdX) setups... any ideas how i should configure smartd? |
| 08:42.18 | jescis | Does Debian have their own setup/configuration howto for apache? |
| 08:42.46 | plundra | jescis: Might be something in the wiki. |
| 08:43.14 | jescis | hhhmmmm... ok plundra |
| 08:43.34 | plundra | But I doubt there should be anything weird? :-) |
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| 08:43.46 | mohadib | hello |
| 08:43.48 | g0rd0n | very odd... did smartctl --all /dev/sdb1 and it tells me the drive does not support smart. Hitachi HDT72502 |
| 08:44.15 | mohadib | any of you guys hot/warm plug esata |
| 08:44.25 | mohadib | got a script i wanted to share if so |
| 08:45.06 | plundra | g0rd0n: Force it to use ata |
| 08:45.10 | mohadib | esata or just normal old sata driver |
| 08:45.14 | plundra | g0rd0n: -data or whatever |
| 08:47.42 | g0rd0n | plundra: Smartctl: Device Read Identity Failed (not an ATA/ATAPI device) |
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| 08:48.48 | Crypticfortune | jescis: the most pecular thing about debian's apache is the "a2ensite/a2enmod" system. that's documented in /usr/share/doc/README.Debian at least... |
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| 08:50.13 | simonrvn | g0rd0n: usually just install and forget, that thing |
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| 08:50.41 | simonrvn | g0rd0n: you may have to enable it; some drives don't enable it by default |
| 08:51.07 | jescis | Crypticfortune, ah I'll check that out. |
| 08:51.19 | simonrvn | probably something stupid like the ata bus blocking shit |
| 08:51.24 | simonrvn | sata* |
| 08:51.38 | g0rd0n | simonrvn: i tried to enable, but it gives errors... imaybe it has something to do with the fact that i got a raid1 setup? |
| 08:51.48 | g0rd0n | btw, does the etch-and-half kernel have the k8temp module? |
| 08:52.06 | simonrvn | g0rd0n: wouldn't matter. anyway, i'm thinking cpu temp (one of the most common causes) |
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| 08:52.26 | jescis | plundra, I found a wiki saying you need at *least* 256MB :o I only have 191600kb(187MB) |
| 08:52.50 | g0rd0n | simonrvn: you mean, causes for the sudden reboot? |
| 08:52.55 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 08:53.11 | g0rd0n | yeh thats what i suspect, so sensors wants me to load k8temp but i dont have that module on the system |
| 08:53.42 | simonrvn | hm, might have to build that from source, try modprobe -l | grep k8 |
| 08:53.59 | simonrvn | (see if you do or not have to do the former ;) |
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| 08:54.54 | g0rd0n | simonrvn: powernow-k8.ko is the only thing there :( |
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| 08:55.26 | simonrvn | 'k sec |
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| 08:55.49 | g0rd0n | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=k8temp&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=any ok |
| 08:55.55 | g0rd0n | i'll install the etch-and-half kernel then ;) |
| 08:55.57 | jescis | eats goatfood then spitts it out after one bite... yucks Xp |
| 08:56.01 | giannerini | estou away - Motivo: Inativo por mais de 30mins - ¡ltr0.3 |
| 08:56.01 | simonrvn | 'k, it's in the kernel already |
| 08:56.03 | simonrvn | # CONFIG_SENSORS_K8TEMP |
| 08:56.09 | simonrvn | !tell giannerini -about away |
| 08:57.23 | tacit | Yay... These http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ let you boot from grub/hdd and give you network |
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| 08:59.10 | g0rd0n | smartctl --smart=on --offlineauto=on --saveauto=on /dev/sda -> unable to fetch IEC (SMART) mode page [unsupported field in scsi command] |
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| 09:00.34 | simonrvn | did you try the thing plundra gave you? plundra> g0rd0n: Force it to use ata plundra> g0rd0n: -data or whatever |
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| 09:01.06 | g0rd0n | simonrvn: yes, i did |
| 09:01.07 | g0rd0n | oh |
| 09:01.11 | g0rd0n | i did the wrong combination though |
| 09:01.23 | g0rd0n | now i did this: smartctl --smart=on --offlineauto=on --saveauto=on -d ata /dev/sda |
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| 09:01.39 | g0rd0n | SMART Enabled. |
| 09:01.39 | g0rd0n | Error SMART Enable Auto-save failed: Input/output error |
| 09:02.03 | simonrvn | fuck it |
| 09:02.52 | g0rd0n | yeah lol |
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| 09:02.58 | g0rd0n | can read with --all -d ata ;) |
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| 09:05.23 | SirTux | hi |
| 09:06.07 | simonrvn | cool |
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| 09:06.55 | zxxd | hi |
| 09:06.57 | zxxd | anyone familiar with this error in domU Attempt to allocate order 5 skbuff. Increase MAX_SKBUFF_ORDER. |
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| 09:07.52 | MrWax | what do you guys use as a command line reminder? |
| 09:07.52 | MrWax | devtodo? |
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| 09:09.45 | endra | Hello, how can I setup a generic mail server to receive/send mail on multiple domains using 1 box? e.g. I own foo.com and bar.com and I want to be able to add accounts (if possible with quotas etc) easily and use them with IMAP |
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| 09:10.34 | et | that totally depends on the mail server |
| 09:10.39 | endra | I've never set one up before |
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| 09:11.20 | endra | I want it to be professional though, with easy administration if possible.. and even backups etc |
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| 09:11.52 | endra | I want to use my dedicated machine as a dedicated email server so it needs to be stable.. but i don't know where to start |
| 09:12.28 | endra | as my main email* |
| 09:13.05 | mquin | endra: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=debian+mail+server+howto |
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| 09:13.50 | mquin | there a million ways to build a mail server, depending on what your requirements are and what (if anything) you need to integrate it with |
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| 09:15.29 | endra | mquin: I just need to create a new email for myself on my own domain and be able to read/access all the emails from any computer (as opposed to a mail client downloading them and not being able to access them other than locally) |
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| 09:19.40 | ceil420 | i think my PC is trying to suspend but doing it wrong. is there a way i can tell it to not suspend/hibernate? |
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| 09:20.18 | mquin | endra: that's not particularly complicated to do, but if you do plan on managing the service yourself you're going to need to do your own research and learn - go and read some of those howto's |
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| 09:21.17 | ceil420 | dammit |
| 09:21.23 | ceil420 | i think my PC is trying to suspend but doing it wrong. is there a way i can tell it to not suspend/hibernate? |
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| 09:24.46 | MrWax | Anyone in here active using Elinks (no gui) |
| 09:24.49 | ribasushi | hi |
| 09:25.30 | ribasushi | question for diehard midnight commander fans: is there some current workaround to the libvte mess of not accepting ALT+F4 and other badness? |
| 09:26.01 | giannerini | estou away - Motivo: Inativo por mais de 30mins - ¡ltr0.3 |
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| 09:40.56 | MrWax | Are there any good command line tools for Linux where one can open and alter .doc (office) documents with? |
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| 09:45.15 | sep | MrWax, i do not know about the "goodness" but openoffice + -invisible macro://something on the command line ? |
| 09:46.01 | MrWax | didn't try that yet |
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| 09:47.14 | MrWax | is there a way to gain information about packages that are already installed on your system? |
| 09:47.40 | MrWax | apt-cache show uptime for example says it can't find it |
| 09:47.53 | petemc | dpkg -l |
| 09:47.53 | dpkg | petemc: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 09:48.07 | MrWax | doesn't give full info right |
| 09:48.20 | petemc | as in descriptions? |
| 09:48.22 | MrWax | dpkg -l | grep uptime gives no info btw |
| 09:48.22 | dpkg | ii | grep uptime gives no info btw 3.7-12 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 09:48.30 | MrWax | err lol hehe |
| 09:48.54 | petemc | uptime is part of procps |
| 09:49.20 | MrWax | ok |
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| 09:54.32 | ArtVandalae | Hi, is anyone here using aufs (similar to unionfs) to "merge" partition. If so, can I please request a copy of your fstab (pastebin). I'm having trouble finding fstabs with aufs using Google |
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| 09:56.01 | giannerini | estou away - Motivo: Inativo por mais de 30mins - ¡ltr0.3 |
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| 10:07.18 | tuxcrafter | hello everybody, does debian have a partner program like ubuntu? |
| 10:07.40 | jelly | tuxcrafter: partner program? |
| 10:08.20 | tuxcrafter | jelly: http://www.ubuntu.com/partners |
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| 10:09.45 | arkara | is there a way to add color in prompt? |
| 10:09.57 | arkara | i currently use green on black |
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| 10:10.13 | arkara | but i want my username to show as red colored |
| 10:10.57 | _kringalf | arkara: PS1='\[\033[01;31m\]\h\[\033[01;34m\] \W \$\[\033[00m\] ' <-- this is an examplre from gentoo |
| 10:11.05 | _kringalf | adjust it to your needs |
| 10:11.10 | arkara | thx |
| 10:11.11 | jelly | tuxcrafter: there's no official entity to provide resources as per http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/solutionprovider, for example |
| 10:11.30 | afloofloo | off topic: i have a network with several servers behind a firewall/gateway and i'm replacing the firewall with a new one, is there any problems with connecting the new firewall to the same net and then moving one server at a time.. what i mean by this is: is there a problem with having two gateways on the same network? someone suggested this would cause problems and that we should pre-configure the new firewall and just do a drop in repla |
| 10:12.00 | idimmu | i think it should be fine |
| 10:12.29 | idimmu | in fact |
| 10:12.30 | idimmu | it is fine |
| 10:12.39 | idimmu | we accidently ran that same set up here for 6 months |
| 10:12.47 | idimmu | before we realised some servers were still using our old gateway |
| 10:12.49 | idimmu | (when we turned it off) |
| 10:13.07 | idimmu | (and loadsa stuff broke :) ) |
| 10:14.43 | arkara | _kringalf: do you have any actual link from the gentoo wiki? |
| 10:15.11 | afloofloo | thanks idimmu :) |
| 10:15.56 | _kringalf | arkara: i only found a wiki entry in german, is this ok or only english an .gr? |
| 10:16.20 | arkara | no not ok.. |
| 10:16.23 | arkara | thnx anyway |
| 10:16.25 | arkara | :D |
| 10:16.49 | _kringalf | arkara: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Exit_Status_in_prompt <--- here is also some information about that "issue" |
| 10:16.50 | abrotman | arkara: man bash should cover some of it |
| 10:17.50 | _kringalf | arkara: if you are missing the username try PS1='\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[01;34m\] \w \$\[\033[00m\] ' (the \u was missing in the example before) |
| 10:18.11 | _kringalf | but man bash should give you information about the \u's and so |
| 10:18.38 | arkara | no it's not that |
| 10:18.48 | arkara | i want to see how to set the colors.. |
| 10:19.05 | _kringalf | thats that part --> \[\e[31;40m\] |
| 10:19.13 | _kringalf | this would be red |
| 10:19.14 | arkara | oh do you know how to have colored text on debian boot up? |
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| 10:19.28 | zak_ | hi |
| 10:19.38 | _kringalf | this would be bold red -> \[\e[31;1m\] |
| 10:19.55 | _kringalf | but try the link i posted, there are the most common color "codes" listed |
| 10:20.07 | _kringalf | btw, you can try it out via "echo -e" |
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| 10:20.26 | zak_ | just moving from windows to linux , one of my friends adviced me opensuse11.0 but a lot of people told me why not debian ? as a very new linux user is it a good choice to use opensuse11.0 ? |
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| 10:20.57 | arkara | zak_: try ubuntu and/or linux mint |
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| 10:22.07 | zak_ | linux mint? |
| 10:22.14 | arkara | flagnirk: thanx dude |
| 10:22.30 | arkara | zak_: yes |
| 10:22.32 | arkara | http://www.linuxmint.com/ |
| 10:22.41 | flagnirk | arkara: np, my pleasure |
| 10:22.46 | arkara | ubuntu/Debian based distro for newbies |
| 10:23.02 | zak_ | what about debian and opensuse11.0 ? |
| 10:23.22 | arkara | zak_: i would use debian :P |
| 10:23.32 | zak_ | :) |
| 10:23.42 | zak_ | but what is the difference between both ? |
| 10:23.46 | arkara | open suse does not satisfy me with its pms |
| 10:23.57 | arkara | and/ or ms patends |
| 10:24.19 | zak_ | pms? |
| 10:24.26 | zak_ | ms patends? |
| 10:24.31 | arkara | package managment system |
| 10:24.38 | zak_ | u mean yast ? |
| 10:24.42 | arkara | yes |
| 10:24.45 | zak_ | seems very fast :) |
| 10:24.53 | arkara | try apt |
| 10:24.57 | arkara | and u will see |
| 10:24.59 | arkara | :D |
| 10:25.15 | zak_ | apt the package manager of debian ? |
| 10:25.20 | arkara | anyway it's just my personal choice/ Yes |
| 10:25.28 | zak_ | ms patends?what is that |
| 10:25.28 | flagnirk | arkara: which distri is linuxmint based on? (only if you know it, if you have to look, i can do that myself) :) |
| 10:25.40 | Kovensky | mint is based on ubuntu |
| 10:25.45 | arkara | and debian |
| 10:25.52 | flagnirk | thnx :) |
| 10:26.00 | arkara | its very nice |
| 10:26.01 | giannerini | estou away - Motivo: Inativo por mais de 30mins - ¡ltr0.3 |
| 10:26.07 | arkara | multimedia out of the box |
| 10:26.08 | harpal | Hey I have problem in mysql, but I cant make connection, how can I remove mysql completely, means no file remains, its data and other? |
| 10:26.10 | zak_ | i hate gnome , i prefer kde:) |
| 10:26.17 | zak_ | is linuxmint kde based distro |
| 10:26.23 | arkara | zak_: has kde too |
| 10:26.34 | arkara | Linux Mint 5 Elyssa KDE Community Edition |
| 10:26.51 | arkara | We are proud to announce the release of Linux Mint 5 KDE Community Edition: |
| 10:26.59 | arkara | http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_elyssa_kde.php |
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| 10:27.24 | arkara | try it, its a good into to linux |
| 10:27.25 | zak_ | can i install linuxmint with opensuse? |
| 10:27.34 | arkara | yes u can install both |
| 10:27.55 | zak_ | and i shall have a / and a /home and a swap for each distro? |
| 10:27.55 | arkara | i would go with int |
| 10:28.02 | zak_ | int? |
| 10:28.12 | arkara | you can have a common /home i think |
| 10:28.15 | maligor | why is this on debian? |
| 10:28.16 | arkara | but not / |
| 10:28.32 | zak_ | what about swap ? |
| 10:28.34 | arkara | u can also have a common swap |
| 10:28.41 | zak_ | can i use partition magic for thta? |
| 10:28.43 | zak_ | that? |
| 10:28.46 | maligor | quite frankly, this is a debian support channel, bugger off |
| 10:28.50 | arkara | no! |
| 10:29.04 | arkara | maligor: sry i move to private |
| 10:29.10 | zak_ | maligor: hein ? |
| 10:30.27 | xoz | !start a distro war |
| 10:30.27 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 10:30.53 | arkara | LOL LOL LOL |
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| 10:32.23 | arkara | xoz how do u use that ! dpkg thing? |
| 10:32.28 | arkara | ! |
| 10:32.42 | xoz | arkara: /msg dpkg help |
| 10:32.50 | arkara | thnx |
| 10:33.20 | zak_ | lol |
| 10:33.23 | xoz | arkara: what did you do? |
| 10:33.24 | nivanson | cries |
| 10:33.34 | arkara | ? |
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| 10:33.42 | xoz | dpkg died |
| 10:33.54 | arkara | i kiled him? |
| 10:34.04 | zak_ | whos that ? |
| 10:34.05 | jescis | what do I need to do a PXE server? |
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| 10:34.26 | xoz | ~ping |
| 10:34.27 | apt | ~pong |
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| 10:35.07 | arkara | xoz did i do sth wrong? |
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| 10:35.31 | jMCg | Yes. Killing dpkg is wrong :-/ |
| 10:35.46 | arkara | how did i kill him? |
| 10:35.50 | arkara | i just asked help |
| 10:35.52 | arkara | .. |
| 10:36.13 | Octalot | xoz did it - he make Dpkg say the "U" word |
| 10:36.17 | xoz | arkara: dpkg died due to excessive flooding... and you are the last one to ask. |
| 10:36.26 | arkara | yes |
| 10:36.38 | arkara | but i put the command that YOU gave me |
| 10:36.43 | jescis | jMCg, so is killing a human. But 80-90% do it anyways >_> |
| 10:37.05 | arkara | .. |
| 10:37.21 | arkara | hope dpkg reanimates |
| 10:37.37 | xoz | ~die |
| 10:37.37 | apt | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 10:37.54 | jescis | arkara, it's a bot. It'll be back ;) |
| 10:38.05 | Octalot | dpkg's still on irc.debian.org if you want to talk to it |
| 10:38.12 | arkara | jescis: i know.. thats obvious |
| 10:38.44 | jescis | why call it a "him"then >_> |
| 10:39.45 | jescis | it's either an "it" or a "she" ;) |
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| 10:41.02 | xoz | yehey |
| 10:41.22 | jescis | !welcome dpkg |
| 10:41.45 | jelly | !test |
| 10:41.54 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 10:42.11 | zak_ | !dpkg |
| 10:42.21 | dpkg | methinks dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
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| 10:43.37 | xoz | ~seen dpkg |
| 10:43.40 | apt | dpkg <n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1m 19s ago, saying: 'methinks dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.'. |
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| 10:52.18 | themill | !wb |
| 10:52.19 | dpkg | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
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| 10:55.14 | IspettoreTombale | hi |
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| 10:55.29 | IspettoreTombale | please how can I link a c program using device drivers? |
| 10:55.35 | IspettoreTombale | please how can I link a c program using device drivers functions? |
| 10:55.54 | Orbixx | Ask again and I might answer your question. |
| 10:56.02 | Orbixx | Really, I'm not joking. |
| 10:56.02 | giannerini | estou away - Motivo: Inativo por mais de 30mins - ¡ltr0.3 |
| 10:57.24 | jelly | giannerini: please disable that away message |
| 10:58.12 | jelly | IspettoreTombale: your sentence does not make much sense. Please rephrase. |
| 10:58.31 | jelly | !it |
| 10:58.32 | dpkg | Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:00.15 | vaq | How can I disallow all other users than "test" in SSH ? |
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| 11:01.07 | jelly | vaq: man sshd_config, AllowUsers |
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| 11:05.21 | IspettoreTombale | jelly: do you know was "link" mean actually? |
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| 11:08.37 | enouf | dpkg: where were you? |
| 11:08.38 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
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| 11:08.50 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 11:11.18 | steven_ | hi |
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| 11:12.19 | steven_ | if i have a RAID 1 with 2 drives if i add another 2 will this improve performance can debian read from the disks individulay to increase performance ? |
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| 11:20.51 | enouf | steven_: you should read /usr/share/doc/mdadm/RAID5_versus_RAID10.txt .. generally, i would expect to see improvement, especially on newer kernels and proper controllers and drives |
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| 11:26.01 | giannerini | estou away - Motivo: Inativo por mais de 30mins - ¡ltr0.3 |
| 11:26.42 | retnex | does somebody know, how to solve this isse: I have a samba server, one user have 10 GB quota so he can use this after mounting his share. Furthermore on the Samba server runs rsnapshot which rotate this share every week. The problem is now that with rsnapshot the quota is exceeding |
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| 11:30.01 | rvsjoen | what do you want to do ? not run rsnapshot if it will exceed the quota ? |
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| 11:39.42 | dramen | does anyone has qdevelop installed on his system |
| 11:39.44 | dramen | ? |
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| 11:48.07 | EraSeR | is away: auto-away |
| 11:48.51 | abrotman | !tell EraSeR about away |
| 11:48.56 | abrotman | dramen: you mean kdevelop? |
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| 11:52.06 | Xerres | does anyone know what happend to the fai channel? |
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| 11:53.47 | wols | where was this channel? |
| 11:54.11 | Xerres | on this network |
| 11:54.20 | Xerres | it was a long time ago |
| 11:54.23 | wols | unlikely. check oftc |
| 11:54.31 | Xerres | no it was. |
| 11:54.39 | Xerres | it was for fai debian |
| 11:54.41 | Xerres | like |
| 11:54.43 | Xerres | 6 years ago |
| 11:54.45 | wols | !enter |
| 11:54.45 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 11:54.59 | steven_ | enouf: i don't mean raid 10 |
| 11:55.01 | wols | yes, and I said: check oftc |
| 11:55.06 | steven_ | i mean raid 1 with 4 drives :) |
| 11:55.09 | jelly | Xerres: has you tried looking at FAI homepage? |
| 11:55.12 | Xerres | i'm using a cell phone |
| 11:55.26 | wols | Xerres: I don't care. I told you where to check. oftc.net |
| 11:55.32 | steven_ | so 4 drives hold identical information :) |
| 11:55.45 | enouf | steven_: i do |
| 11:55.46 | wols | steven_: that's a waste of disks |
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| 11:56.01 | giannerini | estou away - Motivo: Inativo por mais de 30mins - ¡ltr0.3 |
| 11:56.02 | steven_ | wols: depends on what the goal is |
| 11:56.06 | abrotman | !tell giannerini about away |
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| 11:56.17 | wols | making a tidy profit for seagate, samsung and wd? |
| 11:56.34 | jelly | steven_: assuming linux md raid, the kernel only read from multiple disks if there are multiple read requests at the same time |
| 11:56.35 | steven_ | wols: if the kernel can use all 4 disks to perform reads it would be benficial for performance |
| 11:56.48 | isprins | http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3097595.0 |
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| 11:56.55 | jelly | steven_: for a single sequential read, that doesn't happen |
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| 11:56.59 | steven_ | jelly: this will be for a mysql server which is heavily disk bound |
| 11:57.05 | dramen | abrotman: no it's qdevelop |
| 11:57.23 | wols | steven_: BS |
| 11:57.23 | abrotman | isprins: do you have a debian question? |
| 11:57.33 | dramen | the problem is libqt4-debug |
| 11:57.39 | steven_ | wols: ? |
| 11:57.44 | abrotman | libqt4-dbg ? |
| 11:57.54 | wols | steven_: buy a SSD |
| 11:58.16 | abrotman | or more RAM and load it into RAM |
| 11:58.19 | g0rd0n | steven_: buy two |
| 11:58.20 | dramen | abrotman: yes that's the lenny version of the older libqt4-debug in etch |
| 11:58.22 | steven_ | wols: not proven for DB use :) |
| 11:58.31 | jelly | steven_: I don't have experience with large installations of mysql. For important stuff $employer uses oracle ;-) |
| 11:58.32 | steven_ | the dabase is 800GB |
| 11:58.35 | joltcan | More RAM, thats what DB's like to eat, nom nom |
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| 11:58.46 | wols | steven_: you are not proven for DB use either. and it shows. good day |
| 11:58.51 | abrotman | you're using mysql on an 800GB DB? |
| 11:59.00 | g0rd0n | on one machine? lol |
| 11:59.10 | steven_ | wols ? is there any need have i stepped on your toes or something ? |
| 11:59.25 | wols | I just don't like to waste time |
| 11:59.32 | dramen | the problem is when i want to install qdevelop that it depends on libqt4-debug instead of libqt4-dbg |
| 11:59.45 | wols | dramen: where did you get qdevelop? |
| 11:59.53 | abrotman | dramen: paste your sources.list and the output in a pastebin |
| 12:00.05 | isprins | abrotman: it is not debian, but related to all linux users, that link |
| 12:00.16 | steven_ | it's an 800GB db that will use mysql partitiong, with the most used parition been on a raid 1 with 2 disks my question is will using 4 disks in the raid one offer an increase of read performance |
| 12:00.20 | abrotman | isprins: this channel is for Debian support .. try somewhere else |
| 12:00.29 | wols | isprins: you are still a moronic spammer. now go away |
| 12:00.33 | dramen | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/daniel-rocher/ubuntu hardy main |
| 12:00.33 | dramen | deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/daniel-rocher/ubuntu hardy main |
| 12:00.38 | abrotman | dramen: in a pastebin |
| 12:00.42 | wols | whohoo! ubuntu. |
| 12:00.43 | abrotman | dramen: and ask #ubuntu |
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| 12:00.49 | wols | dramen: #ubuntu. now leave please |
| 12:00.53 | abrotman | dramen: this is not a Debian question |
| 12:00.57 | liable | full of lose |
| 12:00.58 | themill | And random ppa packages at that. |
| 12:01.26 | joltcan | steven_: Raid1 gives you higher read speads, yes. With four disks I would go with 2*raid1 with LVM on top to tie them together |
| 12:01.50 | jelly | does POSIX or whatever allow usernames beginning with [0-9]? |
| 12:01.52 | joltcan | steven_: But you would probably have to take a look at your configuration about the disks interfaces so they have enough bandwidth over the bus |
| 12:02.13 | dramen | ok sorry for the question, bye |
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| 12:02.21 | abrotman | dramen: are you trying to install this on |
| 12:02.23 | abrotman | blah |
| 12:02.28 | abrotman | they're going to send him back in a minute |
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| 12:02.46 | steven_ | joltcan: that's effectively raid10 so in effect i still have 2 disks the most of the reads will probably occur on |
| 12:03.08 | jelly | steven_: which raid controller are you using? |
| 12:03.28 | steven_ | jelly: it's a SmartArray p600 |
| 12:03.52 | steven_ | connected to an external SAS enclosure |
| 12:03.58 | jelly | steven_: so the controller with handle spreading of read requests |
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| 12:04.34 | jelly | steven_: ask HP whether it'll do what you want with a 4-disk mirror, I guess |
| 12:04.39 | steven_ | jelly: if we use hardware raid |
| 12:04.56 | steven_ | jelly: but i've been told to evalute this using software raid :( |
| 12:05.17 | jelly | steven_: so evaluate. |
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| 12:05.39 | steven_ | i will i was just hoping somneone had dome something similar :) |
| 12:05.41 | jelly | steven_: your load will determine the benefits |
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| 12:06.19 | jelly | steven_: like I said, linux doesn't spread a single read over multiple disks in an md raid1 |
| 12:06.31 | enouf | steven_: consider hugepages |
| 12:06.49 | steven_ | thanks for the input |
| 12:07.00 | joltcan | steven_: If you really need it to be fast, run a raid0 with all disks and have lots of backups |
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| 12:07.24 | jelly | steven_: also try ##kernel or ##linux, this is not a debian specific issue |
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| 12:09.27 | enouf | there's even #kernelnewbies@irc.oftc.net |
| 12:10.12 | wols | enouf: isn't that mainly for programming modules? |
| 12:10.27 | liable | oh, neat. why is that on oftc? |
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| 12:10.42 | jelly | because oftc > freenode, obviously! |
| 12:10.47 | abrotman | liable: IIRC a different purpose .. |
| 12:11.06 | liable | abrotman: seems odd really. |
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| 12:11.19 | abrotman | liable: like a .. black sheep |
| 12:11.26 | liable | groan |
| 12:11.40 | enouf | wols: /me shrugs |
| 12:12.00 | enouf | wols: i like the site for summaries of what's new ;-) |
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| 12:12.44 | enouf | liable: you might like the kernel-janitors mailing list ;-) |
| 12:13.04 | liable | enouf: sounds like a shitty list ;) |
| 12:13.24 | spradnyesh | hello |
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| 12:14.37 | enouf | liable: i just like the name - and they do perform a valuable service, if still viable |
| 12:15.00 | spradnyesh | i'm on debian unstable w/ kde3.5. i purchased a new samsung 19" 943nwx lcd monitor a few days back. it supports a resolution of 1440x900 and my kde desktop is also showing me that the resolution set is 1440x900. however the desktop overflows out of the screen (in both directions) |
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| 12:15.46 | spradnyesh | can someone plz tell me how to debug this issue? |
| 12:16.13 | mtcage | Hello all, im interested in trying out Debian, i see from the download mirror ther are quite a few CD's to dl, which one(s) would i need to experince debian as a desktop user(gnome preferably)? |
| 12:16.15 | enouf | liable: you find all of a sudden you're in possession of some proprietary hardware you never saw before that needs a driver - give it to the janitors , they'll write you a driver |
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| 12:16.24 | liable | enouf: was taking the piss [sic] will check it out |
| 12:16.54 | bparks2 | mtcage: the netinst CD |
| 12:17.12 | mtcage | Ah ok, thanks |
| 12:17.24 | bparks2 | mtcage: it has evrything necessary to install a base system and also to download packages from a mirror, depending on what you choose |
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| 12:17.32 | abrotman | mtcage: the netinst gives you a base system and then you can continue from there |
| 12:17.46 | abrotman | mtcage: and the debian base system has no GUI .. just so you know |
| 12:18.10 | bparks2 | abrotman: now we're playing with words |
| 12:18.18 | abrotman | we are? |
| 12:18.43 | jelly | spradnyesh: pastebin the output of "xrandr" |
| 12:18.45 | abrotman | if you run the netinst .. and skip tasksel .. you have no X |
| 12:18.49 | mtcage | nps', so i'd imagine if i wanted gnome for example, it would be something similar to apt-get install gnome-desktop? |
| 12:18.53 | abrotman | (though you can obviously install it later) |
| 12:19.01 | abrotman | mtcage: aptitude install xorg gdm gnome |
| 12:19.07 | bparks2 | what debian calls the "base system" doesn't have a GUI, but in the netinst installation process, it does give you the option of adding the "Desktop Environment" set of packages |
| 12:19.11 | mtcage | ah ok, thanks |
| 12:19.18 | abrotman | bparks2: but really .. who uses tasksel? :) |
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| 12:19.29 | jelly | abrotman: people installing? |
| 12:19.42 | jelly | !popcon |
| 12:19.42 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 12:19.44 | bparks2 | abrotman: i'm too lazy to tell it otherwise |
| 12:19.57 | abrotman | maybe they should have tasksel pull metapackages of some sort .. |
| 12:20.10 | abrotman | oh well |
| 12:21.03 | jelly | does nonfree flash work in amd64 these days? |
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| 12:21.13 | abrotman | nspluginwrapper |
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| 12:22.11 | jelly | abrotman: does that thing work for opera too? |
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| 12:22.48 | abrotman | jelly: NFC .. i don't have fancy hardware |
| 12:23.02 | abrotman | jelly: it's fairly possible since opera can use mozilla plugins |
| 12:23.18 | jelly | abrotman: hehe, where fancy ~ /less than two years old/ |
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| 12:24.04 | abrotman | jelly: i have PPC at home .. just not amd64 :) |
| 12:24.11 | abrotman | may change that after xmas |
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| 12:27.05 | EraSeR | is back (gone 00:38:58) |
| 12:27.20 | abrotman | !tell EraSeR about away |
| 12:27.24 | abrotman | !tell giannerini about away |
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| 12:28.18 | jelly | abrotman: that giannerini thing repeats every half an hour or so. Kick them! Kick them! |
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| 12:29.08 | abrotman | there's apparently a web interface to debtags .. that seemingly requires no authentication |
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| 12:33.18 | dob1 | hi, i have in /var/mail a mail file of an user, i don't care about them, can i safely delete it? |
| 12:33.29 | dob1 | or i have to replace it with an empty file? |
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| 12:34.37 | dob1 | and what are this file? i have no mail in the inbox of the user |
| 12:34.45 | bparks2 | dob1: it's safe, but depending on your scenario, you might have legal implications |
| 12:34.55 | bparks2 | dob1: how are you checking the mailbox? |
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| 12:35.00 | dob1 | pine |
| 12:35.24 | bparks2 | try "more /var/mail/user" |
| 12:35.25 | dob1 | bparks2: no, it's my pc, i only use it, it's mail sent from root account to user |
| 12:35.39 | abrotman | darn root user |
| 12:35.44 | bparks2 | oh...then yeah, sure, delete it |
| 12:35.51 | dob1 | from root, i man cron, etc etc |
| 12:36.05 | bparks2 | but if the machine tries to send mail there, your mta will recreate the file |
| 12:36.05 | dob1 | but why it is 2.7 gb and i have no mail in inbox? |
| 12:36.18 | bparks2 | dob1: more /var/mail/user |
| 12:36.33 | bparks2 | where user is this alleged user's username |
| 12:36.46 | dob1 | bparks2: they are all system mail |
| 12:36.59 | dob1 | to be clear, the user are me :) |
| 12:37.30 | bparks2 | so the reason you didn't see it in pine is because pine isn't checking /var/mail/dob1 :) |
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| 12:39.07 | dob1 | hmm |
| 12:39.10 | dob1 | what can i do ? :) |
| 12:39.23 | dob1 | mta is exim |
| 12:39.44 | bparks2 | (a) fix your cron jobs to only create output when it's something you actually want to see |
| 12:40.32 | bparks2 | (b) make the generated emails go to your user account (though it seems like they already do) |
| 12:40.45 | dob1 | why pine doesn't read them? |
| 12:40.51 | bparks2 | (c) use an MDA to bring the messages from /var/mail/dob1 to wherever pine checks |
| 12:41.12 | dob1 | with mutt i get this message "/var/mail/user" is not a mailbox |
| 12:41.12 | bparks2 | my guess is that pine is checking a different place than /var/mail/dob1 |
| 12:41.25 | bparks2 | hmm |
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| 12:42.06 | bparks2 | not sure i have any more ideas... |
| 12:42.12 | bparks2 | finds coffee |
| 12:42.24 | dob1 | boh, anyway i delete it then i will see |
| 12:42.25 | abrotman | dob1: if you just run `mail` .. do you see them ? |
| 12:42.43 | dob1 | mail: /var/mail/fed: Value too large for defined data type |
| 12:42.48 | dob1 | too big |
| 12:43.00 | dob1 | because it is 2.7 gb ? |
| 12:43.10 | abrotman | wtf |
| 12:43.28 | cloakable | lol |
| 12:43.33 | abrotman | you could just cat devnull to your mbox file |
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| 12:43.54 | dob1 | using procmail i send these mail to an external account, so i never read them |
| 12:44.07 | themill | just get exim to do that for you |
| 12:44.33 | abrotman | or alias your user to nobody |
| 12:45.04 | dob1 | i like that it sends mail to the external account, this ok, but now is better that i tell procmail to delete them too, after this, it is possible? |
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| 12:45.44 | dob1 | i did it time ago, i don't remember nothing :) |
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| 13:11.41 | streuner | abrotman: hi |
| 13:11.48 | abrotman | hi |
| 13:12.05 | norbert_ | hi all, I have a question about streaming radio for Linux (icecast for example); would it be possible - theoredically - to set up a stream where the IP of the streaming machine is invisible? |
| 13:12.36 | aliases123 | norbert_: what do you mean invisible ? |
| 13:12.37 | abrotman | use a hostname? |
| 13:12.39 | streuner | hehe |
| 13:13.06 | norbert_ | abrotman: could I use a hostname with another IP than the streaming machine? |
| 13:13.20 | abrotman | maybe with some iptables magic |
| 13:13.26 | abrotman | tried something like tinyurl ? |
| 13:13.30 | norbert_ | I think that means a relay, which means the machine which has the hostname in the dns would be streaming as well |
| 13:14.12 | streuner | Why would somebody need an invisible IP? |
| 13:14.47 | idimmu | norbert_: you could proxy the data in someway through another machine |
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| 13:15.05 | norbert_ | idimmu: hum... |
| 13:15.06 | idimmu | but there must always be an ip |
| 13:15.14 | norbert_ | obviously, yes :) |
| 13:15.18 | aliases123 | tunnel the stream ? |
| 13:15.29 | idimmu | pretty sure you can get shoutcast proxies |
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| 13:15.45 | idimmu | or lvs or tunnels |
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| 13:15.47 | idimmu | loads of ways |
| 13:15.51 | idimmu | 'pick one'!!! |
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| 13:20.57 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:20.57 | dpkg | <Mandork_> how does pron work anyways ? |
| 13:21.51 | liable | you couldn't ask for a more appropriate nick to ask that question.. |
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| 13:26.01 | giannerini | estou away - Motivo: Inativo por mais de 30mins - ¡ltr0.3 |
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| 13:26.35 | norbert_ | ehm |
| 13:26.37 | norbert_ | stupid question maybe |
| 13:26.45 | norbert_ | but I always use terminals for this |
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| 13:26.55 | norbert_ | if I want someone to edit a file in /etc/... with gedit |
| 13:26.56 | streuner | liable: the question is rather, do you want to answer :-P |
| 13:27.07 | streuner | s/to/ / |
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| 13:27.31 | norbert_ | how can I make gedit edit files that are owned by other people? |
| 13:27.32 | suwro | hello |
| 13:27.47 | suwro | which package contain ip command? |
| 13:27.52 | suwro | !ip |
| 13:27.52 | dpkg | suwro IP is a connectionless, best-effort packet switching protocol. It provides packet routing, fragmentation and re-assembly through the data link layer. [internet protocol], or to check yours, go to http://iplookup.flashfxp.com/, or if you don't have a piece of official looking paper declaring your ownership (or even if you do) it probably belongs to SCO (or they'll lock you up in court for a couple years in a pretense that it is) |
| 13:27.58 | liable | iproute |
| 13:28.01 | jelly | suwro: iproute. /msg dpkg search |
| 13:28.03 | suwro | aaaaaa |
| 13:28.05 | streuner | !+tell norbert_ -about permissions |
| 13:28.06 | suwro | thank you |
| 13:28.06 | dpkg | told norbert_ about permissions. |
| 13:28.07 | suwro | :) |
| 13:28.41 | norbert_ | yeah |
| 13:28.48 | norbert_ | but that is of course not what I'm looking for |
| 13:29.02 | norbert_ | I just want gedit to give me a password popup saying "to edit this file, please enter the root password" |
| 13:29.11 | norbert_ | because I know all about permissions, but this person is a noob |
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| 13:34.41 | vaq | when will the new debian version be out? the next big release |
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| 13:36.25 | gileswork | elo deb heads |
| 13:36.45 | gileswork | is there something out that that convert perl module names to debian package names? |
| 13:37.04 | gileswork | HTTP::Request::Common :> libwww-perl |
| 13:37.41 | ix | Hm, is there any way to configure two separate instances of one daemon using the /etc/default system? I'm thinking specifically about atftpd. |
| 13:37.58 | jelly | gileswork: eh, that one is an exception; most others are just lib (lowercase module name, replace :: with -) -perl |
| 13:38.14 | gileswork | ya i noticed |
| 13:38.56 | jelly | gileswork: install apt-file, apt-file update, apt-file search /HTTP/Request/Common.pm |
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| 13:39.14 | gileswork | annoying thing is there's a deadrat script called cpan2rpm that reads the Build.pl file perfectly |
| 13:39.23 | gileswork | ya i was thinking something like.. |
| 13:39.23 | jelly | gileswork: dh-make-perl |
| 13:39.34 | stew | vaq: debian doesn't set dates for the relesaes, it will be released when it no longer has release critical bugs: /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 13:39.39 | gileswork | fraid it doesn't do dependency checking |
| 13:39.49 | gileswork | creates the main files though so it is useful |
| 13:39.50 | jelly | it doesn't, does it :-| |
| 13:39.56 | jsaak | hello, what happened to the non-us repo? it disappeared around sarge (or etch) |
| 13:39.57 | gileswork | ya tis poor |
| 13:40.04 | stew | jsaak: /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 13:40.08 | gileswork | anyways I'll script it i think |
| 13:40.12 | jsaak | ok sry |
| 13:40.48 | stew | ix: there is no mechanism in place to do that, but the init scripts and /etc/default are just a bunch of shell scripts, it certainly would be possible |
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| 13:40.52 | stew | jsaak: no reason to be sorry |
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| 13:41.13 | assasukasse | hi, how can i share an usb printer to all the machines in the same subnet? |
| 13:41.16 | ix | stew: maybe I should just roll my own? |
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| 13:41.28 | jsaak | that is great thanks! |
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| 13:41.57 | jelly | gileswork: maybe #debian-perl (irc.debian.org) has something useful |
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| 13:42.22 | MrNaz | etch = stable, sid = unstable and lenny = testing... right ? |
| 13:42.35 | stew | MrNaz: right |
| 13:42.38 | MrNaz | thanks |
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| 13:46.29 | gileswork | sweet apt-file should work |
| 13:46.35 | gileswork | ta jelly |
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| 13:46.42 | Mardus | Hi. I'm back :-) |
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| 13:47.06 | themill | gileswork: dh-make-perl uses apt-file to resolve dependencies for you |
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| 13:47.49 | gileswork | hrm mebe it just didn't work because i hadn't got it installed |
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| 13:47.53 | gileswork | I'll try again |
| 13:48.01 | gileswork | tx themill |
| 13:48.28 | jelly | themill: hm, what would happen if a dependency wasn't in the archive, then |
| 13:49.06 | themill | jelly: istr it will try to recursively package them. But it's a while since I had to do that. |
| 13:49.23 | jelly | nice, it didn't do that last time I used it |
| 13:49.23 | themill | jelly: tias? |
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| 13:49.41 | themill | jelly: it improved a lot over the last few debian releases |
| 13:49.45 | jelly | !wtf tias |
| 13:49.46 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what tias means... |
| 13:49.53 | jelly | dpkg: you and me both |
| 13:49.53 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 13:50.19 | stew | 'try it and see' |
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| 13:50.46 | jetscreamer | i STILL don't have power dammit! |
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| 13:51.38 | Mardus | I need some help on partitioning an external hard drive: it has to have FAT32 for Win98 compatibility and sharing files (ca 10Mb), 2-4 partitions for Linux (in the 15Gb range, with separate /var and /home partitions) and NTFS for XP compatibility. I've worked with fdisk before, but I need to know which partitions should stay primary and which go to extended and how large they need to be. |
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| 13:52.24 | jetscreamer | Mardus: try not to do extended unless you just need that many (>4) .. use cfdisk, it's more user friendly... course they both work well |
| 13:52.34 | assasukasse | is there any other way to share a printer than samba? i dun wanna use samba doesn't look secure to me |
| 13:52.41 | assasukasse | i use only linux machines |
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| 13:53.14 | jetscreamer | Mardus: type 0c for the vfat, 83 for the linux partitions... 07 if you want ntfs |
| 13:53.20 | jetscreamer | iirc |
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| 13:54.03 | gileswork | themill: you're an absolute legend |
| 13:54.05 | Mardus | jetscreamer: Thanks for the tips, although I've partitioned disks a few times before. |
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| 13:54.14 | gileswork | that's safed me a load of hacking about :) |
| 13:54.20 | tuxcrafter | is looking for server monitoring software that makes nice svg graphics like with bootchart-view only then for hddtemp, lm-sensors, mdadm, spamd, top, bwm? |
| 13:54.28 | themill | gileswork: ;) |
| 13:54.47 | jetscreamer | a legend in his own mind, that's our miller |
| 13:54.51 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 13:54.52 | themill | gileswork: not that I can take any credit for what dh-make-perl does, of course. |
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| 13:54.56 | themill | !lart jetscreamer |
| 13:54.56 | dpkg | drops a baby grand on jetscreamer |
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| 13:55.26 | Mardus | jetscreamer: I was thinking of partitioning with Knoppix 5.1.1, I don't know if it has cfdisk on it. The external HDD is meant to be a backup drive for Windows XP, while I am planning to have Linux partitions just in case the internal Wxp drive might die one day. |
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| 13:56.00 | gileswork | apt-file update needs to be run though.. |
| 13:56.01 | giannerini | estou away - Motivo: Inativo por mais de 30mins - ¡ltr0.3 |
| 13:56.04 | gileswork | or the search will fail |
| 13:56.25 | jetscreamer | Mardus: then you could just make the linux one big partition if you wanted. plus one for swap, one for ntfs, and a vfat |
| 13:56.44 | jetscreamer | that's 4, and no need for (die die) extended |
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| 13:57.15 | jetscreamer | you could even do a swap file, and only need 3 parts |
| 13:57.20 | jetscreamer | but whatever |
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| 13:57.44 | jetscreamer | i had a problem with extended, as you might guess |
| 13:58.01 | jetscreamer | kiss works for me now |
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| 13:58.56 | jetscreamer | !tell giannerini -about away |
| 13:59.19 | jetscreamer | hey jerbear |
| 13:59.28 | tuxcrafter | somebody know some debian tool that does what i need? |
| 13:59.31 | jetscreamer | are you the et mapper you know ydnar jer? |
| 13:59.39 | jetscreamer | jerbear: ? |
| 13:59.55 | jetscreamer | s/et/wolf/ |
| 14:01.33 | jetscreamer | tuxcrafter: i don't, but did you try apt-file search <searchterm(s)> ? |
| 14:02.41 | Mardus | jetscreamer: I'll do a separate swap part, because I want to get it right since last time I installed Linux... The drive is 250Gb. What I need is the order in which they must be and which would be primary and which would be extended. |
| 14:02.41 | jetscreamer | goes away and tries to stfw for wtf his power will be restored |
| 14:03.08 | jetscreamer | Mardus: it won't matter which order, or which is extended (iirc) |
| 14:03.17 | jetscreamer | it will just work |
| 14:03.26 | stew | Mardus: primary/extended doesn't matter for linux |
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| 14:03.41 | D3f0 | hi everyone |
| 14:04.54 | D3f0 | can I tell APT that a package dependecy is provided by other package? |
| 14:05.22 | jerbear | jetscreamer: yes? |
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| 14:05.26 | Mardus | stew: Hi stew, long time. I know about primary/extended; I want to know about VFAT and I need the Linux partition to be bootable, while the NTFS would be the largest. I've been reading around and it was suggested that system partitions should be at the beginning... |
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| 14:05.53 | D3f0 | A depends on b and c; and I have B1 and C, and I want to force apt to take a B1 for B. |
| 14:06.04 | jelly | D3f0: you could use equivs to provide B |
| 14:06.08 | stew | Mardus: what do you want to know about vfat? |
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| 14:06.47 | D3f0 | jelly, even with plain old debs? |
| 14:06.50 | stew | D3f0: what are a b c and B1 ? |
| 14:06.51 | Mardus | stew: I have open a Linux partitioning guide on the web, which says that FAT32 can be logical... I need to know which should be primary. |
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| 14:07.09 | stew | Mardus: for linux it doesn't matter which are primary and which are extended |
| 14:07.33 | jelly | D3f0: unless you plan on repacking B1 and changing its control file to Provide: B, yes |
| 14:07.56 | D3f0 | let's say, A is mapserver-bin that depends on gdal (B), and I have a newer version of gdal than the one shipped with debian. C actually has no problem |
| 14:08.03 | stew | Mardus: what boot loader are you going to use on the mbr? grub? |
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| 14:08.29 | Mardus | stew: Perhaps my question is whether I need a primary partition at all, given it's only a backup drive, which in the event of a primary drive crash could serve as a failsafe solution. I was thinking of LILO; had bad experiences with GRUB in 2000 |
| 14:08.33 | stew | D3f0: is the newer version of gdal actually in a debian package |
| 14:08.49 | D3f0 | yes, provided by someone else |
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| 14:09.10 | stew | Mardus: if you use lilo or grub on your mbr, then nothing needs to be bootable (assuming you are talking about the bootable or active flag in fdisk) |
| 14:09.16 | stew | D3f0: then you don't need to do anything |
| 14:09.45 | stew | D3f0: just install all of the packages together and it should all be happy |
| 14:09.47 | jetscreamer | jerbear: they question is are you the jer who hung out on #q3map2 and did all the mapping for return to castle wolfenstein.. if so, hi long time no see |
| 14:09.51 | D3f0 | but mapserver refuses to install, since when it tries to install its dependencies, he tries to install old gdal deb |
| 14:10.10 | stew | D3f0: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:10.15 | jerbear | jetscreamer: no, but i did enjoy the game though ;) |
| 14:10.42 | jetscreamer | ah... i kept seeing you /part and this is the first chance i had to ask :) |
| 14:11.23 | Mardus | stew: I'd like to make the Linux partition bootable, given that the boot media preference in case of a main drive crash would be USB |
| 14:11.28 | stew | D3f0: did you install the gdal deb before installing mapserver? can you not replace the older gdal deb with the new one later |
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| 14:11.41 | jetscreamer | Mardus: iirc you don't have to set the bootable flag for linux |
| 14:11.44 | stew | Mardus: linux doesn't care about the bootable flag |
| 14:11.46 | jetscreamer | that's what i read anyway |
| 14:11.53 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 14:12.26 | stew | well, grub/lilo ignore it. if you are using a windows bootloader instead (or a generic one from the mbr package) then it might, but grup/lilo don't care |
| 14:12.26 | D3f0 | i'll paste the output |
| 14:12.34 | Mardus | stew: Then if LILO is in the MBR, then LILO can be set to automatically choose the default partition? |
| 14:12.51 | jetscreamer | Mardus: if you want a backup for windows though, you might make the partitions the same order... like put the ntfs first, or wherever |
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| 14:13.05 | ArtVandalae | Hi, I need a program that will let me display icons on my desktop. |
| 14:13.10 | stew | Mardus: what do you mean by "choose the default partition"? what does default partition mean? |
| 14:13.14 | jetscreamer | rdesktop i 'think' |
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| 14:13.23 | jetscreamer | default for booting i would 'guess' |
| 14:13.30 | jetscreamer | like savedefault for grub or so |
| 14:13.39 | jetscreamer | !info rdesktop |
| 14:13.44 | stew | jetscreamer: that's not what savedefault is |
| 14:13.50 | Mardus | stew, jetscreamer: Yes, default for booting. |
| 14:14.05 | jetscreamer | stew .. like.. (i know grub, i forgot lilo though) |
| 14:14.27 | Mardus | jetscreamer: It's going to be a backup not for the whole Windows drive, but just files, so that Windows would automatically back up to that drive. |
| 14:14.29 | jetscreamer | like the effect of it |
| 14:14.31 | dpkg | rdesktop: (RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.6.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 128 kB, Installed size: 424 kB |
| 14:14.32 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 14:14.33 | D3f0 | here it is http://paste.debian.net/17524/ |
| 14:14.57 | stew | ArtVandalae: nautilus would do that. rdesktop is something different, you can ignore it |
| 14:15.05 | jetscreamer | Mardus: then it won't matter.. you might want to partition with the windows thing. |
| 14:15.11 | jetscreamer | yes ignore me and rdesktop |
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| 14:15.43 | stew | D3f0: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 14:15.45 | jetscreamer | there is a program to do icons for minimal window managers.. i forget the name |
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| 14:16.30 | Mardus | jetscreamer: 'the windows thing' -- ? Do you mean I make NTFS the first partition, then VFAT, then ext3 and then swap? |
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| 14:16.57 | jetscreamer | Mardus: i mean sometimes, depending, windows prefers that partitions be made with the windows partitioner |
| 14:17.04 | jetscreamer | usually it doesn't matter |
| 14:17.25 | jetscreamer | i always find the problems most ppl don't get though |
| 14:17.39 | jelly | D3f0: a) wrong distro, b) your current problem isn't a matter of missing dependencies, but of clashing files |
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| 14:18.31 | jetscreamer | Mardus: the order you make the partitons won't matter... and already you're down to 4 parts, so no need for extended eh :) |
| 14:18.39 | D3f0 | jelly, yes, I know I'm using ubuntu. the files clash because I've installed a newer version of those debs. |
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| 14:18.47 | jetscreamer | !ubuntu |
| 14:18.47 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 14:18.50 | abrotman | D3f0: then you should ask #ubuntu .. not us |
| 14:19.08 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 14:19.09 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 14:19.20 | abrotman | that won't help |
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| 14:19.33 | jetscreamer | i didn't look at his paste.. but it might |
| 14:19.37 | abrotman | no .. it won't |
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| 14:20.03 | D3f0 | well, thanks anyway |
| 14:20.04 | Mardus | jetscreamer: I solve the [computer] problems of most people I know. AFAIK, for Windows, I'd partition Windows parts as VFAT and then use Windows' fdisk to set them the way I want them and then format them... |
| 14:20.43 | Mardus | jetscreamer: I wonder if I should format Windows parts first and then install Linux... |
| 14:21.19 | jelly | D3f0: I'm just saying your initial explanation was misleading. "/msg dpkg force-overwrite" might help, or it might break your non-debian system. That's all from me; ask in the right place next time (or use mapserver on debian) |
| 14:21.25 | jetscreamer | i usually have to set the partiion types in linux, windows makes fat16 by default? |
| 14:21.36 | jetscreamer | but that's notimportant |
| 14:23.02 | Mardus | jetscreamer: 2000 and XP make NTFS |
| 14:23.05 | jetscreamer | Mardus: that (win first) usually works best |
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| 14:23.27 | jetscreamer | yes... the fs. check the partition types sometimes |
| 14:23.33 | jetscreamer | in linux |
| 14:23.57 | stew | linux doesn't care about the partition types either |
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| 14:24.26 | jetscreamer | like i'll create one, and format it later.. the part type is fat16(huge) even though there's ntfs on it |
| 14:24.30 | Mardus | jetscreamer, stew: Thanks you. Will chat later. |
| 14:24.34 | jetscreamer | ciao |
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| 14:25.01 | jetscreamer | so stew says linux isn't anal, like me :) |
| 14:25.03 | stew | jetscreamer: and linux doesn't care that the partition type is fat16 even though there's ntfs on it |
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| 14:26.01 | giannerini | estou away - Motivo: Inativo por mais de 30mins - ¡ltr0.3 |
| 14:26.11 | jetscreamer | hey windows doesn't care either eh |
| 14:26.21 | jetscreamer | enough wintalk |
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| 14:26.29 | hoxu | !tell gileswork about public aways |
| 14:26.44 | jelly | kick him already. |
| 14:26.49 | jetscreamer | i had dpkg tell him about away, didn't work |
| 14:26.50 | gileswork | eek am i being a newb |
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| 14:27.09 | hoxu | err, wrong target |
| 14:27.09 | jelly | hoxu: ENICK |
| 14:27.10 | jetscreamer | !lart hoxu's tab completion |
| 14:27.10 | dpkg | shoves a crumpet down hoxu's tab completion's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 14:27.18 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 14:27.26 | Sallcho | Hello, have error - 'configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 14:27.26 | hoxu | jelly, I got my tab completion syndrome from wols :( |
| 14:27.31 | hoxu | !penixstrike giannerini |
| 14:27.31 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking giannerini to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 14:27.33 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 14:27.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 14:27.36 | Sallcho | Hello, have error - 'configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables'. Have build-essential installed. What to do? |
| 14:27.47 | jetscreamer | read the above, Sallcho |
| 14:28.03 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 14:28.04 | stew | giannerini: please turn off your public away notification in here |
| 14:28.08 | jetscreamer | needs to read |
| 14:28.12 | jetscreamer | better |
| 14:28.24 | abrotman | stew: he's been told about a dozen times |
| 14:28.51 | stew | abrotman: en mais de 30mins? |
| 14:29.20 | hoxu | stew/abrotman: 13 public aways from giannerini in my /lastlog, every 30 minutes |
| 14:29.20 | jelly | oui |
| 14:29.34 | jetscreamer | i was thinking italian |
| 14:29.39 | abrotman | stew: this client resets its own timer every time he does that .. so it happens every 30 minutes AFAICT |
| 14:29.47 | jelly | jetscreamer: .pt |
| 14:30.30 | jelly | jetscreamer: but I don't know what portuguese yes looks like |
| 14:30.48 | jetscreamer | it's coming up on the generator break time |
| 14:30.50 | Sallcho | qotd49 |
| 14:30.58 | jetscreamer | !qotd49 |
| 14:30.58 | dpkg | <tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building. |
| 14:31.07 | Sallcho | :) |
| 14:31.34 | jelly | Sallcho: do you have writable permissions in that directory? |
| 14:31.36 | jetscreamer | not sure dude... i'm not much of a builder |
| 14:32.13 | jetscreamer | module assistant seems to install a lot of stuff when you install it :) |
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| 14:32.49 | jetscreamer | omg i have to turn the bigscreen off! |
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| 14:33.39 | Sallcho | is 'apt-get install build-essential' same as 'aptitude install build-essential" |
| 14:33.41 | Sallcho | ? |
| 14:33.42 | jetscreamer | i don't mind having to camp out in my house, but it can get inconvienent |
| 14:33.44 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 14:33.50 | jetscreamer | aptitude is preferred now |
| 14:33.58 | jetscreamer | that's a very old factoid |
| 14:34.08 | jetscreamer | but still good |
| 14:34.17 | jetscreamer | !factinfo b-e |
| 14:34.17 | dpkg | b-e -- last modified at Wed Apr 2 22:42:17 2008 by themill!n=stuart@86.53.48.59; it has been requested 30 times, last by jetscreamer, 6m 44s ago. |
| 14:34.28 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 14:36.18 | Sallcho | http://pastebin.com/m2cde7c8e |
| 14:36.33 | Sallcho | line 17: /usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory |
| 14:36.35 | Sallcho | maybe cuz of that? |
| 14:37.16 | themill | !b-e Sallcho |
| 14:37.16 | dpkg | Sallcho: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 14:37.29 | jelly | he already said it was installed |
| 14:37.36 | themill | I still don't believe him |
| 14:37.54 | jelly | Sallcho: dpkg -l libc6 libc6-dev build-essential gcc |tail -4 |
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| 14:39.26 | abrotman | `which gcc` might be useful too |
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| 14:39.35 | Sallcho | No packages found matching build-essential. |
| 14:39.35 | Sallcho | +++-==============-=================-============================================ |
| 14:39.35 | Sallcho | ii gcc 4.1.1-15 The GNU C compiler |
| 14:39.35 | Sallcho | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 14:39.35 | Sallcho | un libc6-dev <none> (no description available) |
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| 14:39.49 | abrotman | Sallcho: aptitude instal build-essential |
| 14:39.50 | jelly | !win themill |
| 14:39.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 14:39.52 | abrotman | Sallcho: aptitude install build-essential |
| 14:40.05 | themill | :) |
| 14:40.49 | Advanced | Hey. Anyone who knows if its possible to uinstall (or just list) packages which is only installed because they are "recommendations" of another package, and not hard dependents of any package? |
| 14:41.11 | abrotman | deborphan |
| 14:41.32 | stew | Advanced: aptitude search '~M' |
| 14:41.40 | rchi | sometimes it lists dependants though so watch out (deborphan) |
| 14:41.52 | themill | was waiting for stew to throw in some funky aptitude search pattern for that one.... |
| 14:42.19 | stew | oh, no, mine was wrong |
| 14:42.24 | stew | i miread the question |
| 14:42.28 | themill | !aptitude-fu |
| 14:42.28 | dpkg | To list uninstalled recommended or suggested packages: aptitude search '~RBsuggests:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M'; install without recommends but not uninstalling other recommends: aptitude install -R -o Aptitude::Keep-Recommends=true |
| 14:42.46 | themill | :( thought it was in there |
| 14:42.57 | abrotman | i win?!!? |
| 14:43.02 | Advanced | abrotman, stew.. tried both.. For example busybox. when I say: aptitude why busybox, it shows that the only reason busybox is installed is because its recommended by initramfs-tools.. but it is marked as "automaticly installed".. |
| 14:43.08 | themill | !lose abrotman |
| 14:43.08 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 14:43.10 | stew | Advanced: see dpkg's response |
| 14:43.11 | abrotman | i win! |
| 14:43.21 | abrotman | Advanced: also see rdepends |
| 14:43.32 | dustybin | how does one get the svgalib frame buffer working? ive modprobe -i svgalib but nothing happened |
| 14:44.03 | dustybin | it didnt create a /dev/fb* |
| 14:44.03 | abrotman | Advanced: is this on etch? |
| 14:44.06 | stew | i'm suprised that it is only a Recommends and not a depends |
| 14:44.27 | abrotman | it is a depends |
| 14:44.31 | hoxu | anyone else find it funny that aptitude continues downloading in the background when you press 'q' to stop downloads in interactive mode? |
| 14:44.34 | Advanced | abrotman, lenny.. |
| 14:44.34 | abrotman | !depends initramfs-tools etch |
| 14:44.37 | dpkg | initramfs-tools: depends on klibc-utils (>= 1.4.19-2), busybox (>= 1:1.01-3) | busybox-cvs-static (>= 20040623-1), cpio, module-init-tools, udev (>= 0.086-1) |
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| 14:45.45 | abrotman | !depends initramfs-tools lenny |
| 14:45.50 | abrotman | see .. a depends! |
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| 14:45.59 | faber4 | hi everybody. what can i use to base64 encode a file? |
| 14:46.24 | hoxu | !tell faber4 about search |
| 14:46.28 | dpkg | initramfs-tools: depends on klibc-utils (>= 1.5.9-1), cpio, module-init-tools, udev (>= 0.086-1), findutils (>= 4.2.24) |
| 14:46.43 | abrotman | uh what ... |
| 14:46.49 | Advanced | initramfs-tools doesnt depend on busybox in lenny, as far as I can see.. |
| 14:46.59 | faber4 | hoxu: whats the name of the program? |
| 14:47.01 | abrotman | the rdepends of busybox list initramfs-tools |
| 14:47.06 | hoxu | !info aish etch |
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| 14:47.08 | dpkg | aish: (ish/base64/uuencoded_file converter), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.13-5 (etch), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 14:47.11 | hoxu | faber4, ^ |
| 14:47.18 | hoxu | faber4, read the factoid |
| 14:48.03 | abrotman | Advanced: wait .. so it was automatically installed by aptitude as a recommends of initramfs-tools |
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| 14:48.08 | faber4 | hoxu: i am searching "base64", cannot find anything useful. i know about apt-file. |
| 14:48.35 | Advanced | abrotman, yes.. It seems so. Or it has been installed before I marked it as automicly installed.. |
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| 14:50.21 | abrotman | Advanced: and if you try to remove it? |
| 14:50.59 | Advanced | it just removes it without any complaints |
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| 14:55.02 | dustybin | the svgalib-bin package is broke in debian lenny, the init.d doesnt do anything at all |
| 14:56.01 | giannerini | estou away - Motivo: Inativo por mais de 30mins - ¡ltr0.3 |
| 14:56.02 | abrotman | !tell dustybin about bts |
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| 14:56.22 | abrotman | giannerini: please msg me when you get your IRC client under control |
| 14:56.22 | aliases123 | hi on debian 64bit. will time_t overflow in 2038 or will it be safe ? |
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| 14:57.45 | aliases123 | Dako-kun: so file a bug |
| 14:57.58 | abrotman | wrong person |
| 14:58.27 | aliases123 | oh sorry ... i meant dustybin |
| 14:58.32 | jelly | aliases123: it will overflow! Run to the hills! |
| 14:58.48 | aliases123 | jelly: any one on 64bits ;) ? |
| 14:59.12 | harpal | Hey how can i run a script when dhcp gets new ip address? |
| 14:59.18 | jelly | aliases123: I guess glibc and friends will update time_t before 2k38 |
| 14:59.37 | aliases123 | ah jelly what ? |
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| 15:01.00 | jelly | aliases123: ask the libc people. |
| 15:01.30 | abrotman | #gnu |
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| 15:08.06 | torrr | is there adobe acrobat reader package for debian? |
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| 15:08.26 | ezguy | hi, iam looking to replace thunderbird with clawsmail, how stable and reliable? would anyone recommend clawsmail (fast and light) over thunderbird? |
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| 15:09.07 | Bushmills | ezguy: pretty stable and reliable, but not nice with IMAP over slow links |
| 15:09.18 | aliases123 | mutt is pretty nice . |
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| 15:13.40 | ezguy | Bushmills: why/how is that so. i use imap |
| 15:13.47 | abrotman | and a slow link? |
| 15:13.55 | Bushmills | ezguy: imap message download doesn't seem to run in an own thread, blocking the whole client |
| 15:14.01 | abrotman | ew |
| 15:14.30 | Bushmills | i have gprs speed atm, mobile phone internet, out of hsdpa range |
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| 15:14.58 | jelly | !be a async io barbie |
| 15:14.59 | dpkg | Aww, async io is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly |
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| 15:15.51 | stew | hah, gentoo is giving out 'ricer' cloaks? |
| 15:16.26 | abrotman | you can pick your own cloak IIRC |
| 15:16.33 | torrr | does it make sense that updating keyring will want to remove iproute? |
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| 15:18.07 | ezguy | Bushmills: in that case, i guess i going to have to stick with thunderbird. |
| 15:18.15 | xanner | How do i reload the ssh service (not restart) (I just changed the port)? |
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| 15:18.36 | petemc | xanner: just restart it |
| 15:18.46 | xanner | what would be the porper cmd in debian? |
| 15:18.49 | xanner | proper* |
| 15:18.53 | V4Nelle | guys i go to open a avi file with vlc and i can't see video...any help? http://pastebin.com/d292cdbec |
| 15:18.59 | stew | xanner: /etc/init.d/ssh reload |
| 15:19.03 | xanner | thanks |
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| 15:19.14 | Mardus | Should 15Gb be enough for a Debian 4.0 partition with a desktop environment and Office apps? |
| 15:19.25 | Mardus | * OpenOffice.org and suchlike? |
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| 15:19.35 | stew | Mardus: 1GB would be enough, so yes |
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| 15:20.20 | Bushmills | Mardus: my machine has 8 gig of SSD, with plenty still free. |
| 15:20.37 | Mardus | Bushmills: SSD -- ? |
| 15:20.39 | aliases123 | Bushmills: is this an em device ? |
| 15:20.51 | Mardus | Bushmills: Solid state... |
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| 15:21.01 | Bushmills | Mardus: solid state disk. flash. |
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| 15:21.11 | aliases123 | Bushmills: is this a phone ? |
| 15:21.35 | Bushmills | aliases123: one of those mininotebooks. an acer aspire one |
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| 15:21.47 | Mardus | stew: About partitions - Would making VFAT the primary and first partition only count if I'd want to have Win9x in it? |
| 15:21.53 | aliases123 | how do you use flash oh there you go... good answer. sounds cool. only 8gb ? odd |
| 15:22.15 | stew | Mardus: what do you mean by "only count"? |
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| 15:22.59 | stew | Mardus: linux doesn't care which partition is first or which are primary |
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| 15:23.50 | Mardus | stew: I was thinking if for a VFAT partition to be primary and first is a requirement to have Win9x as a bootable OS. |
| 15:24.21 | stew | Mardus: i don't know anything about windows, you should try #windows |
| 15:24.36 | Mardus | stew: Well, ok. |
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| 15:25.30 | jetscreamer | now i hear i won't have power restored until monday :( |
| 15:25.57 | stew | jetscreamer: that is sooner than my in-laws |
| 15:26.01 | aliases123 | jetscreamer: sucks where is that ? |
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| 15:26.12 | jetscreamer | houston |
| 15:26.20 | aliases123 | wow. |
| 15:26.30 | jetscreamer | stew: they told my brother up to 5 weeks |
| 15:26.52 | aliases123 | jetscreamer: how are you online then ? |
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| 15:27.49 | jetscreamer | i have an inverter i can plug in my car, but we also got a generator last night |
| 15:27.50 | rchi | addiction |
| 15:27.50 | aliases123 | but you modem / connection ? |
| 15:27.50 | tuxcrafter | what software do you use for longterm monitoring of hddtemp and lm-sensors |
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| 15:28.07 | aliases123 | collectd |
| 15:28.12 | jetscreamer | aliases123: at&t came out and put my phone line back up.. the dsl modem only draws 1 amp also |
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| 15:28.23 | jetscreamer | i can run it off my car |
| 15:28.37 | aliases123 | jetscreamer: still expensive. |
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| 15:28.40 | jetscreamer | i can't run the bigscreen off my car though :) |
| 15:29.18 | jetscreamer | i only have to start the car every few hours |
| 15:29.26 | jetscreamer | and only for a little |
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| 15:29.52 | jetscreamer | the fan will run down my battery overnight, but the other stuff won't by theirselves |
| 15:30.06 | tuxcrafter | aliases123: thanks! that kind of info i was looking for, more tools like that out there? |
| 15:31.09 | jetscreamer | and a big plus, it got cold here.. well coldish |
| 15:31.53 | jetscreamer | the batt in my laptop only lasts like 5 minutes :/ (it's old) |
| 15:32.31 | Bushmills | jetscreamer: that's ok as UPS |
| 15:33.04 | jetscreamer | yeah... i actually needed it last night, they turned off the generator when i wasn't looking :) |
| 15:33.19 | jetscreamer | but it hibernates when it gets low |
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| 15:34.06 | jetscreamer | i have a beard now :) |
| 15:34.55 | jetscreamer | looks good, but it bugs me |
| 15:35.06 | lunk | a woman who makes you appear not gay? ;) |
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| 15:35.23 | lunk | too easy... sorry |
| 15:35.45 | jetscreamer | easy? i can only come up with 'bearded lady'... |
| 15:36.07 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 15:36.21 | jetscreamer | i wear pink |
| 15:36.26 | jetscreamer | real men can :) |
| 15:36.50 | jetscreamer | i need some pink plaid :) |
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| 15:39.01 | OpenTokix | Damnit! |
| 15:39.02 | Gruelius | is a 9gb used for my / partition (/home is diff and data is on seperate lv's) a bit large for a server? from memory it used to be about 4gb, is there a command to easily find out where the space is being used? |
| 15:39.03 | torrr | can anyone recommend some packages from debian-multimedia.org? |
| 15:39.12 | OpenTokix | /usr/X11R6/bin/X(FontFileCompleteXLFD+0x21d) [0x8073a81] <-- my X11 crash with this error |
| 15:39.18 | OpenTokix | Anyone know of a solution? |
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| 15:43.01 | Gruelius | also how long is a piece of string? |
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| 15:44.19 | jetscreamer | Gruelius: xdiskusage is an xwindows app that does it well... you can du and get the same effect i believe |
| 15:44.27 | jetscreamer | du - something |
| 15:44.40 | jetscreamer | torrr: mencoder :) |
| 15:44.42 | wols | Gruelius: du -s * |
| 15:45.40 | jetscreamer | and no 9G sounds conservative to me, but i usually lump them all in one big / |
| 15:45.55 | jetscreamer | so i don't know |
| 15:45.57 | Gruelius | jetscreamer: found it du -h --max-depth=1. Anyway maybe i should tackle my logcheck irrelevant messages instead of ignoring them, 2.6gb mail directory O.O |
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| 15:46.14 | Gruelius | anyone here good with logcheck syntax? |
| 15:46.30 | joltcan | Gruelius: It's just regexp's |
| 15:46.33 | jetscreamer | doesn't do !anyone |
| 15:46.41 | Gruelius | lol |
| 15:46.55 | joltcan | Gruelius: You can try it with bash -E "the regexp to try" /teh/log/file |
| 15:47.00 | wad | I've created a RAID-5 using mdadm, and now I can see it under /proc/partitions, but I can't mount it. Am I supposed to "mkfs -t ext3 /dev/md0" ??? |
| 15:47.03 | Gruelius | ah that sounds good |
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| 15:47.07 | jelly | joltcan: s/bash/grep/? |
| 15:47.10 | joltcan | wad: Yes, format it first |
| 15:47.13 | joltcan | hehe, yesh |
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| 15:47.16 | wad | nods, thanks! |
| 15:47.16 | Gruelius | wad: yeah you will want to format it |
| 15:47.19 | joltcan | Gruelius: what jelly said |
| 15:47.30 | jetscreamer | chimes in too |
| 15:47.42 | Gruelius | wad: if its a large array maybe look at LVM's, used them for my current raid5 array (1.5tb in size) |
| 15:47.43 | joltcan | wad: Putting together an array != formatting an array |
| 15:47.54 | ptman | can anyone tell me where to get a recent hd-media/boot.img.gz ? the newest I could find was dated 2008-05-22 |
| 15:48.19 | jetscreamer | ptman: the joeyh subdir off people? |
| 15:48.26 | joltcan | wad: Like Gruelius said. If you ever want to expand that file system, then LVM on top of it might be an idea before you format it |
| 15:48.28 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 15:48.28 | dpkg | 4.0r4 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>. |
| 15:48.29 | wad | It's a 2.0TB array. |
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| 15:48.46 | ptman | jetscreamer: thank you |
| 15:49.43 | Gruelius | wad: In short LVM's turns your md array into a super dooper device allowing you to create seperate logical volumes (fake harddisks) out of them |
| 15:49.51 | wad | Thanks guys, for the advice about LVMs. I won't be able to expand this array, though, as my power supply is maxed, my SATA connections are maxed, and my case size if maxed. Two terabytes will have to suffice. :) |
| 15:50.01 | Gruelius | i have 3 logical volumes, one for TV one for movies and one for other |
| 15:50.11 | ptman | jetscreamer: unfortunately that returns 404, but I'll go ask on #debian-boot |
| 15:50.13 | jetscreamer | zomg: The requested URL /~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/ was not found on this server. |
| 15:50.22 | Gruelius | also consider it means you have smaller filesystems. For some reason ext3 shit itself when i had a 1.7tb partition ages ago |
| 15:50.28 | wad | I'd rather have one giant pool of data instead of multiple. It's one reason I went for the RAID. (Before I was just using JBOD.) |
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| 15:51.21 | jetscreamer | ptman: yeh... worked for me about 2 weeks ago :/ |
| 15:51.23 | Gruelius | wad: lvm's offer many benefits for upgrading or for when stuff goes wrong but yeah |
| 15:52.00 | jetscreamer | ptman: ask in #d-i on oftc |
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| 15:52.04 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 15:52.10 | jetscreamer | #debian-installer ? |
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| 15:52.13 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 15:53.02 | jetscreamer | oh duh... last line in the factoid |
| 15:53.38 | jetscreamer | even more duh... what he said |
| 15:53.42 | Igneous | can anyone think of a reason why xrandr would only recognize one screen, while xinerama sees both? Anything that tries to run fullscreen runs fullscreen on one monitor at 2880x1200.. |
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| 15:54.23 | jetscreamer | Igneous: i don't know much, but the word you might want to look for is 'overlay' |
| 15:55.09 | jetscreamer | you might ask in #xorg at the same time, too |
| 15:55.59 | Gruelius | Anyway thanks for the help, after uni tests ill be playing with regexs's:D |
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| 15:56.21 | Igneous | jetscreamer: yeah, thanks, I guess i'll ask in there |
| 15:56.32 | xconspirisist1 | Hey folks, what package provides the mail command? |
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| 15:56.41 | xconspirisist1 | Just wanna read local mail files. |
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| 15:56.52 | jetscreamer | Igneous: something about where the overlay is (set?) determines something about which :) |
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| 15:56.58 | ptman | dpkg -S /usr/bin/mail |
| 15:56.58 | dpkg | You Fool! /usr/bin/mail is installed! |
| 15:57.03 | jetscreamer | xconspirisist1: mutt? |
| 15:57.06 | ptman | hmm... |
| 15:57.08 | ptman | mailx |
| 15:57.27 | xconspirisist1 | jetscreamer: err, that was aking my to specify a mail dir... |
| 15:57.49 | jetscreamer | good thing i don't run a mailserver eh |
| 15:57.49 | xconspirisist1 | Does it support mail ... files aswell? |
| 15:57.58 | xconspirisist1 | heh :) |
| 15:58.18 | jetscreamer | 9beyond me) |
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| 15:58.24 | xconspirisist1 | Thanks anyway jetscreamer. |
| 15:58.30 | jetscreamer | s/9/(/ |
| 15:58.44 | jetscreamer | that jus tlooks wrong |
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| 16:01.46 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 16:01.46 | ShishKabab | Hi. How can I discover whether my DVD writer can write DVD9? |
| 16:01.53 | somedude | is there a legitimate reason why my root .bash_history would be cleared |
| 16:01.54 | armornick | hey guys, how can I disable the online repositories so I apt will only access a cdrom? |
| 16:02.03 | gypsymauro | what are all that pdiff files when I do an apt-get update? |
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| 16:04.10 | ShishKabab | somedude: Why would you want to do that? Anyway. You can do it through Synaptic > Settings > Repositories |
| 16:04.59 | stew | armornick: man sources.list ; man apt-cdrom |
| 16:05.04 | ShishKabab | somedude: Sorry, message was meant to go to armornick |
| 16:05.08 | jetscreamer | armornick: edit /etc/apt/sources.list , comment out the remotes, run apt-cdrom |
| 16:05.11 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 16:05.44 | jetscreamer | then apt-get update of course |
| 16:05.44 | armornick | ShishKabab, I do not have internet on my laptop, however I can order the debian repos on dvd |
| 16:05.51 | jetscreamer | aptitude update, whichever |
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| 16:06.33 | ShishKabab | armonick: What do you mean by order? |
| 16:07.12 | xconspirisist1 | Which package provides the "mail" command for reading mail files? |
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| 16:07.27 | ShishKabab | armonick: But anyway. You can do it in Synaptic. |
| 16:07.47 | armornick | btw, the 3 dvds of debian contain their repo, right? |
| 16:08.09 | jetscreamer | armornick: i think the total i 5 |
| 16:08.12 | jetscreamer | is |
| 16:08.16 | themill | dpkg: tell xconspirisist1 about search |
| 16:08.47 | xconspirisist1 | themill: I tried that, it returned over 100 results, none that were very helpful. |
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| 16:08.53 | jetscreamer | armornick: but the best is on #1, next best on #2..... (s/best/most\ popular\?) |
| 16:09.16 | armornick | jetscreamer, does it include buildutils? |
| 16:09.19 | themill | xconspirisist1: apt-file search usr/bin/mail returns 62 results and it's pretty easy to find the answer in there :) |
| 16:09.25 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search mail |grep something |
| 16:09.36 | xconspirisist1 | themill: I'll try that... thanks. |
| 16:09.57 | jetscreamer | armornick: there is a way to see what is on each dvd... i forget the factoid though |
| 16:10.03 | themill | xconspirisist1: also [16:57] <ptman> mailx |
| 16:10.12 | themill | !cd contents |
| 16:10.12 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 16:10.14 | jetscreamer | something about the jigdoo list is one way |
| 16:10.16 | jetscreamer | ahh |
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| 16:10.36 | ligelige_ | fnyjsd |
| 16:10.41 | armornick | btw, for anyone interested, there's a site which sells linux distros and their repos on dvd, for people without connection |
| 16:10.42 | jetscreamer | works for the dvd's also i would imagine |
| 16:10.44 | ligelige_ | yo |
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| 16:10.55 | rahsputin | hi, i want to create my own 1-2 Floppy Linux OS ... is there any uptodate documention on this topic out there, i have looked through google and tldp.org and cannot find any useful help |
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| 16:10.59 | ligelige_ | waslos |
| 16:11.14 | xconspirisist1 | ptman: Thanks! didn't see your message. |
| 16:11.24 | MadHag | is this the same debian as on oftc? |
| 16:11.25 | danielito | where are the linux freaks? :) my problem is, that I get a "Grub...Read failed" as soon as I remove my cddrive from the computer. how can I avoid that? |
| 16:11.26 | xconspirisist1 | themill: Thanks also :) Didn't know about apt-file. |
| 16:11.31 | jetscreamer | rahsputin: dsl? |
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| 16:11.55 | Laeborg|Lap | hi |
| 16:12.04 | jetscreamer | danielito: 'probaly' edit /boot/grub/devices.list or whatever it is |
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| 16:12.13 | Laeborg|Lap | how does i switch the languages at my server? the currently languages is german, but i want english |
| 16:12.25 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales maybe |
| 16:12.34 | jetscreamer | but i think it's more involved than that |
| 16:13.17 | jetscreamer | MadHag: mostly... but it's different |
| 16:13.25 | MadHag | I wondered that |
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| 16:13.42 | MadHag | which is official? |
| 16:13.42 | jetscreamer | the one on oftc is the 'official' one |
| 16:13.48 | MadHag | haha |
| 16:13.50 | jetscreamer | this one is the original and better |
| 16:13.53 | MadHag | ok, thanks |
| 16:13.54 | jetscreamer | imo |
| 16:13.58 | aidehua | Help! I've been baking my shortbread in the oven for 30 minutes at 150'C, but it was actually with the grill on, not the fan oven. Will my biscuits still be OK? |
| 16:14.05 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 16:14.09 | jetscreamer | if you like black |
| 16:14.12 | aidehua | (They are soggy to the touch on top -- should shortbread be hard when it's cooked?) |
| 16:14.14 | jetscreamer | and crunchy |
| 16:14.39 | jetscreamer | fan oven? |
| 16:14.48 | jetscreamer | you need to adapt the linux tea maker |
| 16:14.52 | jetscreamer | or coffee maker |
| 16:14.53 | aliases123 | "debian" == cooking; |
| 16:14.53 | aidehua | jetscreamer: They are only slightly browned -- I assume the grill's been keeping the oven at 150'C, and the biscuits are far enough away not to get too burned, and so it's been essentially like the fan oven has been on, just without the fan. |
| 16:15.13 | jetscreamer | and hook your 'oven' up to your computer |
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| 16:15.38 | aidehua | I've not made shortbread before -- I reckon the biscuits will be fine as long as I bake them until they are hard. |
| 16:15.40 | aliases123 | there is a linux tea maker ? |
| 16:15.49 | aidehua | I mean, how hard can it be to make biscuits? |
| 16:15.54 | MadHag | very |
| 16:16.04 | aliases123 | aidehua: depends how good you want them to be! |
| 16:16.11 | jetscreamer | yes i think there's a kde one in sources... or tea timer at least.. search tldp for the coffeemaker |
| 16:16.14 | MadHag | my mum used to make bakestones |
| 16:16.25 | jetscreamer | you really hook it up to your computer ;) |
| 16:16.28 | aidehua | (Clearly. Though technically, that's also the answer to 'how hard can it be to operate an oven without looking like a complete idiot?'.) |
| 16:16.53 | MadHag | ask Alfred |
| 16:17.13 | aidehua | MadHag: are bakestones like drop scones? |
| 16:17.25 | MadHag | welshcakes is another name |
| 16:17.42 | MadHag | I could eat hundreds of em |
| 16:18.02 | aidehua | Right. I wish I'd made those now. Nice to do straight on to the hot plate of an Aga :) |
| 16:19.19 | MadHag | http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200803/r229671_915803.jpg forgive me |
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| 16:19.30 | jetscreamer | they have a bunch of recipe software in sources also |
| 16:19.39 | jetscreamer | for organizing them at least |
| 16:19.42 | aidehua | I guess my question boils down to: should shortbread come out of the oven hard, or does it harden up? |
| 16:19.44 | aliases123 | MadHag: are we all australian ? |
| 16:20.15 | MadHag | Welsh here mate, that was the first piccie on google lol |
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| 16:20.58 | jetscreamer | buddy :) |
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| 16:21.10 | eth01 | hey |
| 16:21.14 | eth01 | smiles |
| 16:21.21 | aliases123 | ~cookies |
| 16:21.22 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, cookies is Tools -> Options -> Privacy -> Show Cookies |
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| 16:21.56 | tacit | I joined the etch/lenny DVD isos to an automatic apt repository (works from a running system) by joining the Packages files, adjusting the Release files etc in a script. However, when I boot from hdd using grub and the netboot images, the debian installer won't find the disk. It should work with the ata_piix module. It's neither loaded nor brings up the disk when modprobe'd. I see this somewhat connected to bug #474737 If I point the very same |
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| 16:22.16 | fnmueller | hi tacit |
| 16:22.23 | tacit | fnmueller: oh my... |
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| 16:24.23 | Laeborg|Lap | how can i see what ip eth0 use ? |
| 16:24.23 | khades | hello |
| 16:24.41 | jetscreamer | ifconfig -a |
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| 16:25.08 | Laeborg|Lap | thx :) |
| 16:25.08 | jetscreamer | tacit: something about only the hd-media seems to come with the iso-scan modules |
| 16:25.31 | jetscreamer | tacit: you might try #debian-boot on oftc at the same time |
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| 16:26.01 | jetscreamer | well -a is all, not 'just' eth0 |
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| 16:26.39 | tacit | jetscreamer: I do get the network up and I'm able to load di modules from the server, though. |
| 16:26.50 | aidehua | The biscuits taste burnt :( |
| 16:26.58 | aidehua | Sadness, great sadness. |
| 16:27.09 | jetscreamer | yeah... but only the hd-media image has the iso finding ability... or so it worked for me 2 weeks ago |
| 16:27.15 | MadHag | tacit, you from the SuSE channel |
| 16:27.31 | tacit | MadHag: aye |
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| 16:27.44 | MadHag | I thought I knew the nick :) |
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| 16:30.21 | aidehua | "Blue-Omega [n=null@about/cooking/nakedchef/omelette/Blue-Omega] has quit" <-- ...and he could've been helpful an' all. |
| 16:31.24 | jetscreamer | he's just an apprentice chef :) |
| 16:31.34 | jetscreamer | or oly does eggs |
| 16:31.37 | jetscreamer | only |
| 16:32.00 | jetscreamer | hey... try #cooking maybe |
| 16:32.32 | jetscreamer | make that ##cooking |
| 16:33.16 | Python1320 | rtc3:~# ip ->> bash: ip: command not found rtc3:~# sudo ip ->> sudo: ip: command not found |
| 16:33.17 | Python1320 | :s |
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| 16:36.18 | khades | meow ^_^ |
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| 16:38.17 | datacrusher | hi fellas, i have some files on my samba server, wich have special characters like ç â and so on. Iv used mkisofs to create an iso image of the files, so i could read my cd from any windows host, i mean, the users of my network. Iv tryed many isos thats from my country uft-9, 8859-1, 8859-15, but none of them when i burn the cd i go to the windows statino and its all messed up. How do i set the image to dont screw my file names? |
| 16:38.34 | datacrusher | mkisofs -allow-lowercase -J -jcharset iso8859-1 -l -o /backup/iso/biblioteca.iso -pad -V"$datah" -R /backup/iso/tmp |
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| 16:41.31 | jetscreamer | looks at -V" and wonders if it should be -V " |
| 16:41.40 | jetscreamer | knows nothing though |
| 16:42.43 | jetscreamer | and -j |
| 16:43.10 | ShishKabab | is going to watch According to Jim |
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| 16:43.48 | datacrusher | [jetscreamer]: -j? |
| 16:44.08 | jetscreamer | J -jcharset |
| 16:44.20 | jetscreamer | repeats that he knows nothing though |
| 16:44.34 | datacrusher | its already there |
| 16:44.36 | datacrusher | is it wrong? |
| 16:44.40 | jetscreamer | i don't know |
| 16:44.45 | datacrusher | (01:38) (datacrusher) mkisofs -allow-lowercase -J -jcharset iso8859-1 -l -o /backup/iso/biblioteca.iso -pad -V"$datah" -R /backup/iso/tmp |
| 16:44.56 | jetscreamer | right |
| 16:45.19 | datacrusher | well,wrong it is.. aheuaeh since its not doing what i need to |
| 16:45.46 | aidehua | MadHag: http://www.tropic.org.uk/~edward/junk/biscuit |
| 16:46.06 | jetscreamer | well i just think it looks funny and non-logical, but i've never man'd it or tried to use it (mkisofs) |
| 16:46.10 | keith4 | how do I unpause a print queue, in debian? |
| 16:46.23 | keith4 | I guess the cups web interface would probably work, but I'm hoping for a command-line way to do it |
| 16:47.20 | sidux | Hi , I am following the instructions on wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne , but when I boot from my USB stick then I get the message "Could not find kernel image: linux". |
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| 16:48.04 | sidux | I looked into the debian_installer directory on the USB stick and the "linux" file is there. |
| 16:48.30 | sidux | What should I do to boot from my USB stick, please? |
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| 16:48.54 | jetscreamer | sidux: try #debian-boot on oftc ... i had the same problem, but went with the hd-media method instead of trying harder |
| 16:49.12 | deathstr0ke | go to BIOS & check if you are allowed to boot from removable media |
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| 16:49.29 | jetscreamer | it 'did' boot |
| 16:49.32 | sidux | jetscreamer: hd-media method? |
| 16:49.36 | jetscreamer | it wouldn't find the image |
| 16:49.43 | jetscreamer | sidux: an iso on a partition |
| 16:50.24 | jetscreamer | #debian-boot will know (probably) |
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| 16:50.32 | sidux | deathstr0ke: Yes,I checked that. He boots until Syslinux and then I get the mentioned error. |
| 16:50.39 | Kramerz | hi there's a way to "share" internet connection in the following scenario but to make it work as clients are directly connected to the internet ? (scenario: 1 linux box physically connected to internet and with 1 nic card - 3 clients running win & linux) |
| 16:50.50 | sidux | jetscreamer: Okay, I will ask there |
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| 16:51.13 | jetscreamer | irc.oftc.org .. or irc.debian.org is aliased to it |
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| 16:51.35 | jetscreamer | gah too late |
| 16:51.54 | themill | dpkg: tell Kramerz about ipmasq |
| 16:52.32 | jetscreamer | 's beard itches |
| 16:52.36 | Kramerz | yes i'm using that thing |
| 16:52.36 | hatter243 | I'm trying to ssh to a list of computers, but "while read line; do; ssh $line; done < computerlist" only processes the first line, is there something I'm missing here? Or possibly a more efficient way of doing it? |
| 16:53.17 | Kramerz | but i wonder if it's possible to "expand" features mean ipmasq doesn't makes my clients Feel as directly connected to int |
| 16:53.20 | jetscreamer | hatter243: ask in #bash at the same time |
| 16:53.26 | hatter243 | okay |
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| 16:53.52 | themill | Kramerz: what's not working as expected? |
| 16:54.00 | pgpkeys | while will probably wait until you exit from the first, if you want multiple connects, you probably need to do a for loop |
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| 16:54.47 | jetscreamer | do a loop for a while :) |
| 16:54.57 | pgpkeys | chuckles |
| 16:54.59 | jetscreamer | that was Yet Another Jet Joke |
| 16:55.09 | jetscreamer | for the less enlightened ;) |
| 16:55.44 | jetscreamer | powers down the generator |
| 16:55.52 | Kramerz | that web surfing works but if a client wanna setup a server application or run a game like age of empires... it can't |
| 16:55.55 | themill | hatter243: that example is pretty bogus. It won't work for a few reasons, one of them being a syntax error. What are you *really* doing. |
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| 16:57.09 | themill | hatter243: the other thing is that the first ssh connection will gobble all the stdin from the rest of the loop and try to execute the rest of the list of computers as commands and fail spectacularly in the process. |
| 16:57.54 | hatter243 | themill, I really am sshing to a bunch of computers, but it's to grab the ifconfig -a from each one |
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| 16:58.55 | keith4 | when i download a source page with apt-get source, where does it *go*? |
| 16:59.01 | keith4 | s/page/package |
| 16:59.05 | themill | hatter243: so it's ssh $line "ifconfig -a" not just ssh $line? |
| 16:59.11 | themill | keith4: current directory |
| 16:59.40 | keith4 | themill: okay, thanks. crap, i wonder where that was |
| 16:59.56 | themill | keith4: if it was a while ago, then you can use "locate" to find it |
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| 17:01.21 | themill | hatter243: if you can guarantee that there are no funny characters in your computerlist, then: for line in $(cat computerlist); do ssh $line "/sbin/ifconfig -a"; done will work ok. |
| 17:02.00 | hatter243 | themill, for line... argh! |
| 17:02.05 | tacit | I read "Or install the current weekly snapshot of Debian testing which uses the same version of the installer as the last release: " as lenny weekly containing etch r4 installer? |
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| 17:03.10 | JordiGH | Erm, I think I broke my wireless card, playing around with aircrack-ng. |
| 17:03.26 | JordiGH | Now the network-manager daemon can't connect to anything. |
| 17:03.44 | JordiGH | I also installed compat-wireless from linuxwireless |
| 17:04.18 | JordiGH | The only obvious thing I see is that in dmesg I get "wlan0: link not ready" and request to authenticate with the AP all timeout. |
| 17:04.50 | Kramerz | <themill>practically i would get rid of ipmasq and setup iptables directly to forward all traffic in and out in a such way all clients would feel as directly connected to internet not to open every singfle port every time ;) |
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| 17:06.32 | themill | Kramerz: ipmasq is just a set of iptables rules that does that. It just requires that your local machines open a connection first because it has neither super-cow powers nor mind reading ability to know which of your three machines is going to act as a server for $game. |
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| 17:07.31 | JordiGH | I have an 3945 card, so I don't think it should matter that I can't modprobe iwl4965, right? |
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| 17:07.42 | JordiGH | In fact, the card works fine with aircrack-ng. |
| 17:07.53 | JordiGH | I collected some of my IVs, cracked my own WEP key. |
| 17:08.21 | Kramerz | themill, currently it does neither for one (also what the super-cow powers come from i'm reading this pgrase many times!) - btw what u mean for it requires that local machines open a connection first ? |
| 17:08.23 | hatter243 | themill, for line works like a charm, thanks! |
| 17:09.07 | AvK | cześć |
| 17:09.26 | AvK | jak zainstalować cały pakiet gier standardowych z gnome |
| 17:10.03 | AvK | sorry za pytanie, juz mam |
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| 17:10.13 | JordiGH | !cz |
| 17:10.13 | dpkg | well, cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 17:10.46 | SPF | AvK's host ends with .pl |
| 17:11.02 | JordiGH | I have a hard time telling Slavic languages apart. :-( |
| 17:11.09 | JordiGH | !pl |
| 17:11.09 | dpkg | polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
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| 17:11.40 | SPF | :) |
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| 17:12.11 | mobile_ | BitchX on the iphone, no bad ;) |
| 17:12.25 | JordiGH | mobile_: Running Debian? |
| 17:12.39 | mobile_ | I wish ;) |
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| 17:12.45 | mobile_ | maybe one day, don't have that kind of time personaly |
| 17:12.46 | SpeedyG | you should! :P |
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| 17:13.00 | mobile_ | i'm not sure if anyone has tried to port linux on it |
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| 17:16.37 | mobile | sorry auto locked myself out |
| 17:16.42 | mobile | anyhow thanks for the chat |
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| 17:17.48 | AvK | SPF, what do you want ? |
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| 17:18.18 | AvK | if you think i'm a polish mam, you're right |
| 17:18.23 | AvK | :P |
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| 17:19.56 | zeta | this is weird, ctrl-a in the location bar goes to the beginning of line and ctrl-e goes to end of line, how do i do select all like ctrl-a is supposed to do? |
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| 17:20.24 | abrotman | zeta: in what? |
| 17:20.34 | zeta | iceweasel |
| 17:20.36 | abrotman | context is helpful |
| 17:20.41 | abrotman | edit->select all ? |
| 17:20.49 | zeta | i want a keyboard shortcut |
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| 17:20.52 | zeta | in the location bar |
| 17:20.58 | AvK | dpkg, you are a bot, yeap? |
| 17:20.58 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 17:21.01 | abrotman | oh .. you click the favicon |
| 17:21.10 | abrotman | zeta: ctrl-l ? |
| 17:21.14 | abrotman | that's an L |
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| 17:21.31 | zeta | ah |
| 17:21.33 | zeta | ctrl-l works |
| 17:21.35 | zeta | weird |
| 17:21.45 | zeta | thanks. |
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| 17:21.56 | abrotman | zeta: FWIW .. that works in IE and opera too |
| 17:21.58 | abrotman | and epiphany |
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| 17:22.12 | abrotman | well .. not quite the same in IE .. but close enough IIRC |
| 17:23.13 | zeta | weird |
| 17:23.19 | abrotman | and i think clicking the favicon works too |
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| 17:23.35 | zeta | abrotman: ctrl-l nor ctrl-a works in the google search bar (to the right of the location bar) |
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| 17:23.46 | abrotman | zeta: there is a shortcut for that |
| 17:23.53 | AvK | dpkg, you know i have just entered not this canal what i meant to enter |
| 17:23.53 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 17:24.30 | vsayikiran | please help me, can someone tell me how to trace a c program and check the values in the variable at run time |
| 17:24.30 | zeta | abrotman: what shortcut is that? |
| 17:24.36 | abrotman | i'm trying to remember |
| 17:24.43 | abrotman | AvK: dpkg is a bot .. leave him alone |
| 17:24.43 | tacit | vsayikiran: With a debugger. |
| 17:24.48 | abrotman | vsayikiran: ask ##c |
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| 17:24.58 | themill | zeta: ctrl+a works for me. Do you have your gtk stuff in some emacs or vi mode? |
| 17:25.06 | zeta | i'm in KDE |
| 17:25.15 | vsayikiran | tacit: but dont know how to use gdb |
| 17:25.22 | zeta | i dont think |
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| 17:25.23 | themill | zeta: so am I. It's ctrl+k to go to the google bar |
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| 17:25.30 | AvK | abrotman, ok ok, i just jest |
| 17:25.31 | tacit | vsayikiran: So learn it. |
| 17:26.06 | vsayikiran | tacit: thats what i want, i want ot learn from ppl who already had some expereice |
| 17:26.08 | zeta | ctrl-k will do =) |
| 17:26.14 | abrotman | themill: in the URL bar |
| 17:26.27 | abrotman | vsayikiran: ask ##c .. tyhis is not a #debian question |
| 17:26.41 | tacit | vsayikiran: Guess what, we all started reading. |
| 17:26.43 | vsayikiran | abrotman: any other channel |
| 17:26.44 | themill | abrotman: yes ... |
| 17:26.46 | abrotman | zeta: sorry ... yeah .. i have no idea how to configure that either |
| 17:26.54 | abrotman | vsayikiran: what's wrong with ##c ? |
| 17:27.30 | zeta | hmm |
| 17:27.34 | zeta | weird |
| 17:27.41 | abrotman | but yes .. ctrl-k |
| 17:27.44 | vsayikiran | abrotman: ##c asking me to register , i have regsitered there got one e mail. but dont know how to use this info to login in ##c |
| 17:27.45 | zeta | ctrl-a also doesn't work in teh google search bar |
| 17:27.49 | zeta | in side the content page |
| 17:27.51 | zeta | i'll show you what i mean |
| 17:27.54 | abrotman | vsayikiran: /msg dpkg nickserv help |
| 17:28.05 | tacit | vsayikiran: /msg nickserv help |
| 17:28.11 | abrotman | vsayikiran: or ask #freenode for help on registering |
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| 17:28.53 | vsayikiran | abrotman: i did that after i entered my username and password and i got one email that 'you have successfully registered' |
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| 17:28.57 | abrotman | vsayikiran: or ask #freenode for help on registering |
| 17:29.03 | vsayikiran | ok |
| 17:29.11 | zeta | http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hmmra4.png |
| 17:29.12 | zeta | <--- |
| 17:29.14 | zeta | where my pointer is |
| 17:29.22 | zeta | that search box doesn't respond to ctrl-a,l or k |
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| 17:29.37 | abrotman | which search box? |
| 17:29.56 | zeta | the |falloudiabloe 3 |
| 17:29.57 | abrotman | sees no pointer |
| 17:29.58 | zeta | search box |
| 17:30.04 | abrotman | no kidding .. that's the webpage |
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| 17:30.15 | zeta | but in firefox on ubuntu |
| 17:30.17 | zeta | ctrl-a works |
| 17:30.20 | zeta | in that search box |
| 17:30.21 | themill | ^A still works in the search box |
| 17:30.27 | zeta | not for me |
| 17:30.27 | abrotman | ctrl-home ? |
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| 17:30.35 | abrotman | erm .. ctrl-shift-home |
| 17:30.42 | zeta | doesn't work |
| 17:30.46 | zeta | i can't do select all |
| 17:30.54 | zeta | while in the |falloudiablo 3 search box |
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| 17:31.33 | abrotman | where is your cursor? |
| 17:31.39 | jelly-home | zeta: do only emacs keybindings fail to work, or does eg. <End><Shift-Home> fail, too? |
| 17:31.42 | abrotman | you have to make the text field the active thing |
| 17:31.46 | zeta | i have |
| 17:31.52 | zeta | (just screenshot doesn't show it) |
| 17:32.01 | zeta | the | is actually the blinking thing |
| 17:32.01 | abrotman | is your cursor at the beginning or end? |
| 17:32.05 | zeta | beginning |
| 17:32.08 | abrotman | ctrl-shift-end ? |
| 17:32.08 | zeta | ctrl-a goes tot eh beginning |
| 17:32.17 | zeta | nope |
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| 17:32.25 | xanner | Hello, when doing "apt-get install cryptsetup" is it normal that it pops up this: "Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter" ? <-- I can't access this drive because I'm remoting |
| 17:32.25 | zeta | oddly enough ctrl-w removes one word |
| 17:32.38 | abrotman | well .. NFC what WM you're using .. but ctrl-shift-end works for me in pretty much everything |
| 17:33.01 | zeta | it's just a standard lenny install |
| 17:33.18 | abrotman | lenny is not a Window Manager |
| 17:33.22 | zeta | oh |
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| 17:33.28 | zeta | WM is just KDM? |
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| 17:33.33 | zeta | if that's what you're referring to? |
| 17:33.41 | abrotman | KDE or kwin |
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| 17:33.47 | zeta | er |
| 17:33.48 | zeta | kwin |
| 17:33.50 | zeta | i think |
| 17:33.54 | zeta | cuz i'm using domino |
| 17:33.57 | abrotman | and I don't use it so I have no idea if kde/kwin interferes with shortcuts |
| 17:34.00 | jelly-home | zeta: eh, you _want_ ctrl-a to select everything? eww. |
| 17:34.02 | themill | doesn't here |
| 17:34.07 | zeta | it saves me |
| 17:34.11 | abrotman | from what? |
| 17:34.11 | zeta | from clicking |
| 17:34.15 | zeta | and having to move a mouse |
| 17:34.23 | zeta | i usually just do ctrl-a, ctrl-x, then retype what i need |
| 17:34.26 | abrotman | what about shift-<right arrow> ? |
| 17:34.27 | zeta | in those boxes |
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| 17:34.58 | zeta | i guess triple click works |
| 17:35.00 | zeta | but still |
| 17:35.01 | zeta | it's annoying |
| 17:35.09 | jelly-home | zeta: you'll have to configure GTK in such a way not to accept emacs keybindings, I guess |
| 17:35.19 | zeta | how do i do that |
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| 17:35.39 | abrotman | jelly-home: that's not it .. i use ctrl-shift-home/end all the time to do what he's asking for |
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| 17:35.46 | JohannesVonTrott | hi |
| 17:36.04 | pablo | hi, if i dont install alsa-utils i hear no sound, why is this? |
| 17:36.10 | zeta | do i simply remove gtk-key-theme-name="Emacs"? |
| 17:36.21 | zeta | under /.gtkrc-2.0-kde |
| 17:36.34 | JohannesVonTrott | can someone tell me why i cant upgrate my penner |
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| 17:36.48 | jelly-home | zeta: for starters; but there should be a way to do it in kcontrl |
| 17:36.53 | jelly-home | kcontrol |
| 17:36.59 | zeta | i already uninstalled gtk-qt-engine |
| 17:37.03 | zeta | i guess when i removed it |
| 17:37.04 | jelly-home | abrotman: why ctrl? |
| 17:37.10 | zeta | it didn't remove the .gtkrc-2.0-de file |
| 17:37.14 | zeta | brb |
| 17:37.22 | zeta | let me see if that did it |
| 17:37.25 | jelly-home | abrotman: home, shift-end |
| 17:37.44 | abrotman | jelly-home: oh maybe that is it .. i can't f'in remember .. |
| 17:38.15 | abrotman | jelly-home: i'm getting older .. soon i'll be asking you for my passwords :) |
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| 17:38.39 | jelly-home | abrotman: aeGh9Ohp |
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| 17:39.12 | zeta | yep that fixed it |
| 17:39.12 | themill | quickly goes to change his root passwd |
| 17:39.17 | themill | jelly-home: how did you know?! |
| 17:39.40 | cahoot | 8*'s? |
| 17:39.42 | zeta | did i just miss some ub3r exploit that reveals root passwords? |
| 17:39.51 | abrotman | my leaky brain |
| 17:40.14 | jelly-home | themill: send $200 to paypal@notreallyjelly.net and I'll tell ya |
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| 17:40.30 | themill | jelly-home: you offended ravenbird! |
| 17:40.36 | samantha-b- | so i'm doing an rsync. works fine, except that the progress file count is wacky. it seems to be counting files done/files left on a partial, as-i-get there basis. so it'll go 1019/1956, then start a new subdir and jump to 1030/1968. how do i get it to do a full scan at startup so i can get an accurate picture of progress? |
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| 17:42.02 | xanner | Hello, when doing "apt-get install cryptsetup" is it normal that it pops up this: "Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter" ? <-- I can't access this drive because I'm remoting |
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| 17:42.26 | abrotman | xanner: comment it out of your /etc/apt/sources.list .. run aptitude updat e.. try again |
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| 17:42.29 | crashanddie | xanner, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:42.34 | xanner | thanks |
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| 17:47.05 | armornick | hey guys, I need an opinion |
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| 17:47.46 | armornick | I've been browsing through distrowatch for a while, and I've noticed that even the packages in the unstable release of debian are stable |
| 17:47.59 | armornick | so, how stable would you say debian sid is? |
| 17:48.04 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 17:48.04 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 17:48.21 | abrotman | armornick: some things break very badly |
| 17:48.34 | armornick | what about testing? how stable is that? |
| 17:48.44 | armornick | 'cause Debian seems to release very slowly |
| 17:49.06 | abrotman | well .. testing is currently nearly release .. so it's decently stable (though some things are still broken, like nvidia binary drivers last i looked) |
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| 17:50.17 | armornick | so stable applications isn't the only important thing? sorry, I'm still a newbie with linux |
| 17:51.02 | abrotman | armornick: if you're new to linux, then sid/unstable is defintely not for you |
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| 17:51.43 | abrotman | armornick: if you wanted to install Lenny (currently 'testing', to be released next), that wouldn't be too bad, but there is a learning curve and some items will be broken |
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| 17:52.06 | kernelboy | hi. im trying to create an initrd on debian but the manpage on installkernel is pretty much empty.if i only type "installkernel" i get like <version> <image> <System.map> <directory> ....... but i have no idea what to add to those lines |
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| 17:52.46 | armornick | abrotman, I don't know how important this is, but the kernel of Etch is a bit outdated |
| 17:52.57 | themill | !etchnhalf |
| 17:52.57 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf, or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 17:52.58 | abrotman | there is a .24 kernel available to etch |
| 17:53.11 | abrotman | lenny is supposed to release with a .26 AFAIK |
| 17:55.07 | trumpen | armornick, stable is necessary if and only you own a server. Testing is probably what fits best for a desktop computer |
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| 17:55.25 | abrotman | that doesn't mean you can't run stable on a desktop |
| 17:55.36 | themill | trumpen: I run stable on my desktops. |
| 17:55.37 | abrotman | many people do that and it makes a lot of sense |
| 17:55.51 | armornick | what do you think is best for a laptop? (inspiron 1525) |
| 17:55.55 | abrotman | trumpen: how would you like to manage say .. 250 'testing' desktops for your company ? |
| 17:56.03 | themill | also runs stable on his laptop |
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| 17:57.24 | armornick | hmm, isn't there a site or irc to help me choose a distro? :s |
| 17:57.51 | kernelboy | armornick: distrowatch.com |
| 17:58.17 | armornick | I know, but Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora (my main choices) all have good reviews |
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| 17:58.43 | JordiGH | Wow, Iceweasel has Emacs-like keys? |
| 17:58.59 | kernelboy | armornick: then try one? :) |
| 17:59.13 | asg | JordiGH: didn't you know, Iceweasel is just a minor mode in emacs |
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| 17:59.33 | samantha-b- | everything can run in emacs. i hear there's going to be an oracle port to emacs. |
| 17:59.40 | armornick | well, I've worked with Ubuntu for a pretty long time, but I'd like more freedom (not the software king necessarily :D ) |
| 17:59.49 | armornick | *software kind |
| 18:00.06 | nMish_ | What is the difference betweeen iso debian-40r4a-i386-netinst.iso and debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 18:00.30 | abrotman | nMish_: newer kernel for the latter |
| 18:00.46 | nMish_ | but why version number is the same ? |
| 18:00.50 | kernelboy | armornick: more freedom? try archlinux or maybe you mean more freedom as software? then maybe linux mint |
| 18:00.56 | abrotman | because it's just the default kernel for the installer |
| 18:01.02 | nMish_ | ah |
| 18:01.05 | nMish_ | ok thanks |
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| 18:01.21 | nMish_ | does it have drawbacks, the newer kernel for the installer ? |
| 18:01.35 | armornick | kernelboy, I meant that you can choose exactly which software you install, which Ubuntu doesn't let you do |
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| 18:02.21 | kernelboy | linux mint |
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| 18:02.51 | kernelboy | im just gonna ask one more time, in case someoen missed my sentence, then im gonna idle for a response |
| 18:02.54 | kernelboy | hi. im trying to create an initrd on debian but the manpage on installkernel is pretty much empty.if i only type "installkernel" i get like <version> <image> <System.map> <directory> ....... but i have no idea what to add to those lines |
| 18:02.58 | kernelboy | :) |
| 18:03.03 | khades | screw u guys, im goin home |
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| 18:03.39 | armornick | kernelboy, I'm a sucker for GNOME ;) |
| 18:04.02 | kernelboy | armornick: im not :D but it doesnt matter much you can compile your own X |
| 18:04.38 | armornick | Maybe I have to get Elive, since it's from my motherland :D |
| 18:05.10 | kernelboy | debian fork? |
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| 18:06.55 | armornick | debian + enlightment |
| 18:08.11 | abrotman | +e17 .. debian has enlightenment 0.16 |
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| 18:08.22 | abrotman | and actually has 17 in experimental |
| 18:09.57 | rm | hello |
| 18:10.19 | rm | does anyone know how to change the keyboard layout in vncserver? |
| 18:10.28 | armornick | does freenode have a centos channel? |
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| 18:10.53 | kdas | daniiel: greetings |
| 18:11.09 | craigevil | armornick: yes /j #centos |
| 18:11.12 | abrotman | armornick: oddly #centos |
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| 18:11.49 | PSIclops | i was here earlyer , i am tring to make a 1-2 Floppy Linux OS |
| 18:11.53 | PSIclops | hi. Can I do # make bzdisk instead # make dep ?? or is # make dep a step to take before # make bzdisk |
| 18:12.15 | PSIclops | in kernel directory |
| 18:12.51 | kdas | Is there a way to install debain over wireless ? |
| 18:13.02 | kdas | wireless card = intel 4965 |
| 18:13.23 | wols | if you put iwlwifi and firmware on a usb stick, sure |
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| 18:13.44 | wols | PSIclops: not a debian question |
| 18:14.11 | kdas | wols: i am newb can you please explain what exactly i am suposed to do when i have those files copied to usb disk ? |
| 18:14.28 | wols | kdas: no. and what you want to do is not for a newb |
| 18:14.44 | PSIclops | wols: yeah, i know, but i am not getting any answers in ##kernel |
| 18:14.50 | wols | !they don't know |
| 18:14.50 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 18:15.11 | stew | PSIclops: look for the kernel howto |
| 18:15.27 | kdas | wols: damn you are a prick |
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| 18:15.35 | kdas | wols: i mean thanks for help and stuff |
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| 18:15.54 | stew | kdas: take a 10 minute break. please avoid name calling in the future |
| 18:18.04 | PSIclops | wols: you could come into the ##kernel room and give up some different feedback... if you can ;D |
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| 18:19.54 | sobersabre | hi guys. I have a nis question. |
| 18:19.58 | sobersabre | I have a nis server. |
| 18:20.10 | sobersabre | I can as root change nis clients passwords. |
| 18:20.15 | wols | there are about a gazillion floppy linux distros, all available in source. if you can't make sense out of them you shouldn't even try what you are |
| 18:20.32 | sobersabre | but when I am trying to do this on a client computer, I can't, and PAM on the server says "invalid password". |
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| 18:20.45 | sobersabre | (this is written into syslog by rpc.yppasswd) |
| 18:20.58 | Laeborg|Lap` | http://pastebin.com/d24d90c80 |
| 18:21.04 | Laeborg|Lap` | how does i go to the next step ? |
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| 18:21.27 | sobersabre | is there a document describing things like access control, or other things that I can change so the users can change their passwords on NIS client machines ? |
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| 18:22.51 | Gnutoo | hello, what is APT_RECOMMENDS? |
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| 18:25.39 | abrotman | Gnutoo: they are packages that other packages recommend |
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| 18:25.52 | abrotman | for better functionality .. they're not required .. just recommended |
| 18:26.05 | Gnutoo | abrotman, ah so it's not a choice between 2 packages...ok thanks i'll disable it |
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| 18:26.07 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@c-98-207-92-255.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] by stew |
| 18:26.07 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 18:27.09 | kdas | stew: can i talk now? or am i still on timeout? |
| 18:27.11 | Gnutoo | because in mandriva sometimes there are 2 packages that provides the same things...like glibc and uclibc and they ask you which one you want...and for newbies it's not good |
| 18:27.26 | sobersabre | hm ... does anybody use nis around ? |
| 18:27.27 | Gnutoo | thanks a lot |
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| 18:27.53 | abrotman | Gnutoo: we have something similar in debian .. but it's not quite like that as presented to users |
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| 18:28.14 | stew | kdas: go ahead. please keep it civil and on-topic |
| 18:28.20 | Gnutoo | ok lol |
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| 18:28.22 | kdas | stew: ok ;) |
| 18:28.41 | SidGBF | how to check if I have lenny,sid, etch or etchandhalf? |
| 18:28.41 | Gnutoo | mabe it was because i used the command line... |
| 18:28.49 | abrotman | !tell SidGBF about version |
| 18:29.12 | kdas | wols: yea sorry bout the name calling just there is better ways then just shoving someone off because they are new, "help the newbs, because once you were a newb" |
| 18:29.59 | wols | kdas: you simply don't know enough which means someone who helps you would in practice have to do it for you. it's very unlikely you find anyone here doing that |
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| 18:30.33 | wols | SidGBF: combination of kernel and libc6 used. and what's in your sources.list |
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| 18:31.52 | kdas | wols: you could have pointed me to a guide or something ;). and i know enough to get arround in linux, i just don't know what to do once i am in the installer and the iwl4965 driver and firmware are on the usb |
| 18:31.53 | harpal | wols: I think /etc/debian_version also shows which debian there?? |
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| 18:33.23 | wols | harpal: yes and no. it's so general what's there that it's useless (imho) |
| 18:33.30 | wols | all you can see is: stable or not |
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| 18:33.59 | daniiel | kdas the easiest way would be to use a netinst cd, and have your wireless firmware poackages on a usb stick to get your internet connection up |
| 18:34.20 | kdas | daniiel: :D, greetings |
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| 18:34.30 | harpal | because I have etch then it has 4.0 and I have upgraded to lenny, now it shows me lenny :D |
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| 18:34.47 | jelly-home | !version |
| 18:34.48 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
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| 18:35.13 | daniiel | 'allo |
| 18:35.41 | kdas | daniiel: but when i am in the installer what do i have to do so it loads the iwl4965 module correctly ? |
| 18:36.08 | kdas | daniiel: or is it that if the firmware is on the usb drive it will auto find it ? (sounds weird) |
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| 18:37.15 | daniiel | me thinks you might have to install, reboot into new system and then install wireless |
| 18:37.56 | kdas | daniiel: can oyu do that with a netinstall i think they don't let you install unless you have a working ethernet card ? (right ?) |
| 18:38.15 | wols | kdas: it won't autofind. the secret is "ctrl+alt+f2" |
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| 18:38.41 | wols | kdas: netinstall doesn't need network access to install debian at all. bare debian but still debian |
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| 18:39.07 | kdas | wols: there is netinstalls that don't even install bare debain though correct? |
| 18:39.29 | wols | that question makes no sense |
| 18:39.39 | kdas | wols: was that so hard to tell me to jump into the terminal and insmod the iwl4965 module ? |
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| 18:39.58 | abrotman | kdas: there is the bizcard installer that cannot give you a base system without an internet connection |
| 18:39.59 | wols | kdas: since you don't like what I say I won't say anything anymore. have a nice day |
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| 18:40.20 | kdas | wols: i was reading that it is possible to have netinstall to download the base from mirrors, maybe that was the PXE install... |
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| 18:40.32 | martin3z | hi all |
| 18:40.37 | wols | kdas: please don't highlight me anymore |
| 18:40.56 | kdas | wols: lol ok , we are all men |
| 18:41.10 | kdas | and girls for those girls out there |
| 18:41.22 | martin3z | i installed ratpoison by synaptic, and it's not appear in gdm, so i can't run it. how to run ratpoison? |
| 18:41.28 | daniiel | yes, you can net install without a connection, it will only install the base however |
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| 18:41.59 | stew | martin3z: configure ~.xsession and use "default session" in gdm |
| 18:42.07 | kdas | daniiel: cool. so i guess according to wols i just need to jump into 2nd term and play arround |
| 18:42.14 | stew | kdas: i doubt think you can do a pxe intsall via wireless |
| 18:42.20 | stew | don't* |
| 18:42.27 | kdas | stew: point LOL |
| 18:42.51 | wols | stew: but it would be nice to have a driver in for wlan in BIOS :) |
| 18:43.03 | stew | firmware in hardware! |
| 18:43.06 | kdas | stew: i was just getting confused with whether the netinstall or the pxe was the baseless install |
| 18:43.30 | stew | kdas: netinstall is oddly enough, the one that doesn't require a network |
| 18:43.44 | kdas | stew: lol thats news to me |
| 18:43.46 | wols | stew: preposterous. that'd cost 5cent more to build! |
| 18:45.11 | daniiel | kdas, what if you where to use the debian live-cd as your installer medium? then you would have a running system before you installed to get wireless going..(with packages on a usb stick of course), might work |
| 18:46.00 | stew | doesn't the live-cd not contain an installer? or did that change? |
| 18:46.19 | daniiel | i though it did, i haven't used it, but someone told me |
| 18:46.22 | kdas | yea i was going to ask same thing, were is the installer? |
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| 18:46.33 | daniiel | maybe im wrong |
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| 18:47.02 | datacrusher | hi folks |
| 18:47.12 | kdas | the other option i was thinking was to install a minimal live distro on usb include wireless drivers and then install via from that |
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| 18:47.17 | stew | daniiel: oh, you are right, it changed: http://alioth.debian.org/~lamby-guest/live-manual/html/about.html#id251766 |
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| 18:47.49 | datacrusher | i got a debian file server, wich i can acess from my 30 windows vista workstation. The files are all fine, i can see them with the accents á ç ã and stuff, but on the debian station, only on gnome i see the characters, on terminal i cant |
| 18:47.54 | kdas | daniiel: but i might as well just install the base and then the wireless driver and do it like that |
| 18:48.04 | tarzeau | will lenny really be released in september 2008? |
| 18:48.05 | datacrusher | im doing an iso image of the files, but i cant record a cd that dont mess up the filenames |
| 18:48.07 | stew | kdas: the debian installer has drivers for your card, it just doesn't have the firmware. the firmware isn't in debian becuase it is non-free, you'd just need to add the firmware pacakge: /msg dpkg iwlwifi |
| 18:48.10 | daniiel | but you already have a running system, no? |
| 18:48.20 | datacrusher | how do i check if i got something wrong with the system codification? |
| 18:48.34 | stew | tarzeau: no, /msg dpkg lenny-status |
| 18:48.36 | daniiel | i think december |
| 18:48.55 | kdas | daniiel: yea i have a running system thanks to you |
| 18:49.29 | daniiel | why reinstall? your (current) debian system wuvs you.. |
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| 18:50.19 | kdas | stew: i know that the 23 > kernels have the iwl4965 included but my problem (lack of knowledge) is how to get the firmware included into the boot disk so i don't have to do it manually. |
| 18:50.53 | stew | kdas: you could install with a netinstall then add the firmware package by putting it on a floppy/usb driver |
| 18:50.56 | kdas | daniiel: lol and i wove it tooo.... |
| 18:51.29 | stew | kdas: if you want it in the installer, you'd have to build your own installer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
| 18:51.58 | stew | kdas: or maybe http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetInstWithThirdPartyNetworkDriver |
| 18:52.03 | kdas | stew: yea thats what daniiel and wols have helped me out with already, i was just wondering if you could include that so you don't have to access it seperatly and you can choose and install from mirrors during the install |
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| 18:52.28 | daniiel | you could download the netinst cd image and edit it with ISO Editor to add the firmware package |
| 18:52.39 | stew | kdas: yes, you can |
| 18:52.50 | lwizardl | anyone here ever put together a Linux Point of Sale Cash Register before? I'm looking for some ideas on which software packages are worth trying |
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| 18:53.41 | kdas | daniiel: that will add the firmware on the cd but will it apply when i install because i searched my install disk and i think everything is compressed via intrd.tgz ? right ? |
| 18:54.08 | kdas | stew: those 2 links you gave me will explain how to have it included so i can install from wireless? |
| 18:54.18 | dieg | :) |
| 18:54.19 | stew | kdas: i think the first one will, yes |
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| 18:54.32 | dieg | a alguien le apetece ? :) |
| 18:54.35 | stew | kdas: i'd expect it to be time consuming |
| 18:54.36 | stew | !es |
| 18:54.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:54.50 | daniiel | or, you can always install with a good ole' cat5 cable, thats what i do anyways |
| 18:55.13 | daniiel | real simple solution |
| 18:55.25 | AbortRet1yFail | nothing wrong with using wired ethernet on a laptop. |
| 18:55.46 | zinx | 1Gbps > 54Mbps max |
| 18:55.46 | kdas | daniiel: true that or install base add the damn firmware and off i go |
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| 18:56.09 | ampingu | hi |
| 18:56.10 | daniiel | yep, i completely agree kdas |
| 18:56.22 | daniiel | much simplier of a solution. |
| 18:56.25 | ampingu | could someone tell me where i can find mkinitrd in lenny? |
| 18:56.29 | kdas | AbortRet1yFail: we are in the wireless age!!! you can't be a barbarian pluging cables and stuff |
| 18:56.34 | ampingu | doesnt seem to be in the reps |
| 18:56.44 | ampingu | (initrd-tools?) |
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| 18:57.07 | stew | ampingu: don't use mkinitrd, use mkinitramfs from initramfs-tools |
| 18:57.25 | ampingu | oh, ok stev, thanks |
| 18:57.33 | ampingu | stew |
| 18:57.38 | kdas | lol i love geeks, "simple-cdd 0.3.7 MIGRATED to testing (Britney)" |
| 18:57.53 | kdas | codenames got to love them |
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| 18:59.36 | kdas | is there a weekly/daily build that debian has for newest kernel ? or is that a custom cd issue |
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| 18:59.59 | abrotman | kdas: it still won't have your firmware |
| 19:01.10 | kdas | abrotman: i know i just would like newer kernel |
| 19:01.25 | kdas | abrotman: because newer kenrel = your cool |
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| 19:02.13 | stew | kdas: you need something newer than 2.6.24 to install with? |
| 19:02.20 | kdas | i remember a way of being able to create or edit your own intrd.gz image so wouldn't that be solution to my firmware problem |
| 19:02.33 | kdas | stew: isn't the kernel 2.6.26 now ? |
| 19:02.36 | abrotman | kdas: you're .. and no it doesn't |
| 19:02.37 | stew | kdas: yes |
| 19:02.40 | abrotman | !sns syndrome |
| 19:02.40 | dpkg | i heard sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 19:02.56 | stew | kdas: you can install a new kernel after debian is running |
| 19:03.09 | kdas | abrotman: thats me :D |
| 19:03.15 | stew | kdas: no, editing initrd.gz would not be a solution to your firmware problem |
| 19:03.32 | kdas | stew: oh ok thanks then |
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| 19:03.43 | stew | well maybe it could be. it would certainly not be an easy way |
| 19:03.55 | ampingu | ive just been compiling 2.6.26 |
| 19:04.00 | Polizei | well, may i ask why etc is still stuck in gtk 2.8? |
| 19:04.14 | Polizei | etch * |
| 19:04.16 | ampingu | need it for an itx sis chipset |
| 19:04.19 | abrotman | Polizei: that's what it released with |
| 19:04.22 | kdas | you guys have showed me the path! now i must march on it!! |
| 19:04.24 | ampingu | would have to patch it otherwise |
| 19:04.26 | stew | Polizei: becuase that was the best choice at the time when etch was frozen a few years ago |
| 19:04.57 | ampingu | how long before lenny will be released as stable? |
| 19:05.06 | stew | ampingu: a couple hundred more bugs |
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| 19:05.10 | nMish_ | "stable" is etch, right ? |
| 19:05.17 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:05.18 | stew | nMish_: yes, currently |
| 19:05.21 | ampingu | i need this dmraid install support |
| 19:05.26 | nMish_ | for how long ? |
| 19:05.35 | stew | nMish_: until lenny is released |
| 19:05.39 | ampingu | be nice to have a 'stable' version |
| 19:05.41 | mohadib | any sata hot/warm pluggers here? i have gifts if so |
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| 19:05.51 | ampingu | i want gifts |
| 19:06.07 | Polizei | well, the only problem i saw about was the old gtk2, i spent about 2 hours recompiling everything just to compile my personal xchat fork :) |
| 19:06.09 | kdas | pick me pick me |
| 19:06.28 | ampingu | make -j 2 |
| 19:06.36 | ampingu | almost doubles the speed for me |
| 19:06.38 | ampingu | : ) |
| 19:06.58 | mohadib | ampingu: http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/2770/ |
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| 19:07.05 | Polizei | yes, but not for me... i gain about 20, max 30%, but it simply eats my cpu time and memory... :) |
| 19:07.09 | AbortRet1yFail | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.28 | \amethyst | Polizei: you have a single-core processor? |
| 19:07.42 | Polizei | \amethyst, on this laptop, yes :( |
| 19:07.54 | ampingu | doesnt mean a lot to me, mohad, im sorry |
| 19:08.03 | dieg | a alguien le apetece ? tio_guapo_cam@hot ... |
| 19:08.12 | abrotman | dieg: #debian-es .. english here |
| 19:08.19 | stew | dieg: english only in this channel. if you want to speak spanish, go to #debian-es |
| 19:08.23 | ampingu | no point having 2 cores if youre not going to use them |
| 19:08.38 | daniiel | was he advertising pron? |
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| 19:08.45 | mohadib | here is what the command does |
| 19:08.46 | abrotman | go ask him |
| 19:08.48 | mohadib | http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/2771/ |
| 19:08.49 | JordiGH | daniiel: He was. |
| 19:09.03 | mohadib | would be useful for anyone who does USB backups and hates the speed |
| 19:09.17 | ampingu | not sure ive ever removed a plugged in drive in linux |
| 19:09.21 | ampingu | would i dare? |
| 19:09.27 | mohadib | and wants esata, or just the ability to remove a scsi/sata device while running |
| 19:09.35 | ampingu | i often swap ide drives in windows. probably shouldnt |
| 19:09.40 | mohadib | heh |
| 19:09.45 | mohadib | its very useful |
| 19:09.54 | JordiGH | What, hot swapping IDE drives? |
| 19:09.55 | mohadib | considering how slow usb is |
| 19:09.59 | ampingu | yes |
| 19:10.07 | JordiGH | I would expect that would be a kernel panic. |
| 19:10.08 | ampingu | pull the plug on one, plug in another |
| 19:10.21 | ampingu | click detect hardware in device manager |
| 19:10.21 | JordiGH | And seems like a very unkosher thing to do. |
| 19:10.27 | mohadib | i saw sata/scsi drives only |
| 19:10.33 | ampingu | yes - probably not wise : ) |
| 19:10.34 | mohadib | swap* |
| 19:10.49 | ampingu | doesnt seem to have cause me any probs so far |
| 19:10.58 | ampingu | d |
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| 19:11.36 | stew | JordiGH: i do it all the time. but i have ide controllers that specifically allow it |
| 19:11.53 | mohadib | your kernel has to be aware too |
| 19:12.01 | JordiGH | stew: And Linux is cool with it too, I guess. |
| 19:12.04 | mohadib | and it seems hit or miss, hot plugging |
| 19:12.08 | stew | JordiGH: yes |
| 19:12.12 | mohadib | warm plugging is pretty easy though |
| 19:12.22 | JordiGH | A filesystem disappeared!! But it's all cool, man. |
| 19:12.30 | stew | i don't know what the difference between warm plugging and hot plugging is |
| 19:12.46 | stew | JordiGH: yeah, i'd definatly recommend unmounting the partitions first :) |
| 19:12.57 | mohadib | warm pluggin means you tell the kernel you are removing something from the scsi bus before just unplugging it |
| 19:12.58 | kdas | daniiel: oh oh, i found something else that i need help with, video card :). |
| 19:13.02 | ampingu | limited ide connectors on a modern mboard |
| 19:13.08 | mohadib | so the drive can spin down, data in the cache can sync |
| 19:13.09 | mohadib | etc |
| 19:13.10 | daniiel | kdas =P |
| 19:13.11 | JordiGH | stew, btw, do you think I'd find a sponsor for an AGPLed package? |
| 19:13.12 | ampingu | most only have the one these days |
| 19:13.14 | stew | oh, i don't do warm plugging then, i do hot plugging |
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| 19:13.26 | mohadib | hot plugging is hit or miss in linux |
| 19:13.32 | ampingu | dvd drives though, bad idea |
| 19:13.43 | mohadib | need the right kernel, right chipsets, and luck |
| 19:14.00 | stew | doesn't require luck on good controllers |
| 19:14.04 | stew | JordiGH: i don't see why not |
| 19:14.10 | ampingu | and disregard for your data, spare computer next to it case you need it |
| 19:14.28 | JordiGH | stew: drama in d-legal |
| 19:14.30 | mohadib | stew: its more a question of kernel, and the driver for your controller |
| 19:14.41 | JordiGH | Debian is such a drama queen sometimes. |
| 19:14.42 | mohadib | which is why its very hit or miss |
| 19:14.47 | mohadib | unlile warm plugginf |
| 19:14.55 | ampingu | as i say, i wouldnt dare in linux |
| 19:14.58 | stew | JordiGH: oh, i haven't been following |
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| 19:15.08 | JordiGH | stew: Very wise of you. |
| 19:15.28 | stew | mohadib: yes, and i'm telling you there are no problems there, and I've been doing it since 2.2 kernels |
| 19:15.35 | mohadib | haha |
| 19:15.48 | mohadib | sata hot pluggin was not supported until 2.6 iirc |
| 19:15.54 | mohadib | you must just get lucky |
| 19:15.57 | ampingu | sata 2 drives are designed to be hot pluggable, arent they? |
| 19:15.58 | mohadib | or are we talking USB |
| 19:16.09 | ampingu | isnt that part of the drive/bus spec, or something? |
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| 19:16.33 | stew | mohadib: its not luck, its buying good ide controllers that specifically support it |
| 19:16.46 | mohadib | actually sata drives were not arround when kernel 2.2 was in use afaik |
| 19:16.52 | mohadib | so maybe you mean scsi? |
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| 19:17.06 | stew | mohadib: no, i mean ide. they are scsi as far as the kernel is concerned though |
| 19:17.07 | ampingu | me? no, was only half following, sorry |
| 19:17.15 | ampingu | didnt hear you mention 2.2 kernels |
| 19:17.19 | mohadib | stew: ide doesnt use scsi emulation |
| 19:17.32 | stew | mohadib: 3ware ide drivers do |
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| 19:17.53 | enouf | muh2000: they do use the scsi subsystem as a HBA through libata |
| 19:17.55 | mohadib | ok, your card supports it and its abstracted from lunix |
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| 19:18.04 | ampingu | so much easier when you dont have to shut things down to connect hardware |
| 19:18.11 | enouf | crap |
| 19:18.14 | mohadib | now you can plug/unplug sata from the onbaord controller in linux |
| 19:18.14 | enouf | bad tab |
| 19:18.28 | mohadib | regardless of chipset or kernel |
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| 19:18.43 | enouf | yes Secret Hardware Societies, don't you love them? |
| 19:18.56 | enouf | not all - no |
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| 19:19.17 | mohadib | enouf: er? |
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| 19:19.34 | mohadib | you can force a disconnect from the scsi bus via the kernel |
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| 19:19.45 | abrotman | you guys are still going on about this? |
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| 19:19.49 | mohadib | so the drive, as far as its concerned is not connected |
| 19:19.55 | abrotman | mohadib: lay off the enter key |
| 19:19.59 | mohadib | so any drive,sata chipset should work |
| 19:20.03 | samantha-b- | i have a huge directory i'm trying to rsync down from a server in the cloud to a local box. is there a way i can get rsync to provide a meaningful progress report? --progress doesn't scan the entire tree before it starts the transfer, so the numbers change as it runs. |
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| 19:20.35 | enouf | http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/SATA_hardware_features find the "no" column |
| 19:20.48 | mohadib | abrotman: i was not abusing the enter key |
| 19:20.52 | abrotman | says you ... |
| 19:20.55 | enouf | but sure, anything could be "hacked" even in 1.0 |
| 19:21.03 | Larcen_ | hi all |
| 19:21.08 | JordiGH | samantha-b-: Is it an option to use unison? I like it better than rsync. |
| 19:21.13 | mohadib | enouf: im talking warm pluggin |
| 19:21.21 | enouf | ... |
| 19:21.25 | mohadib | not the same |
| 19:21.42 | samantha-b- | JordiGH, anything is an option. never used it before tho. installing now. :-) |
| 19:21.45 | ampingu | < just been reading |
| 19:21.52 | themill | dpkg: tell mohadib about enter |
| 19:21.54 | ampingu | apparently all sata drives are hot pluggable |
| 19:22.01 | vyrus001 | is there anybody on the net who cant get this site? http://www.wpromote.com |
| 19:22.17 | mohadib | themill: after a sentence or thought i will hit enter |
| 19:22.24 | mohadib | if you dont like it, please for /kick |
| 19:22.32 | themill | mohadib: please don't. |
| 19:22.41 | enouf | ok, it's all love - everything always works - panacea is upon us - enjoy ;-) |
| 19:23.25 | JordiGH | samantha-b-: Well, I ask because you'd have to install unison on both machines; you might not have access for it. |
| 19:23.31 | ampingu | seems sata drives have an extra pin/wire, 'specially for hot plugging |
| 19:23.32 | JordiGH | samantha-b-: Oh, and there's unison-gtk. |
| 19:23.52 | ampingu | worth knowing for those trivia quizzes : ) |
| 19:24.11 | samantha-b- | JordiGH, access isn't a problem. :-) |
| 19:24.11 | enouf | never will you have issues - ever again - it's just been a bad dream until now - relax and go on vacation while you allow the monkey at the database do your hotplugging for you, lmao |
| 19:24.33 | AbortRet1yFail | has anyone here ever used bacula before? |
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| 19:24.50 | enouf | what sata are you talking about anyway - i love "standards" |
| 19:24.54 | ampingu | i love to do a little hot plugging |
| 19:25.01 | enouf | !standards |
| 19:25.01 | dpkg | The good thing about standards is there are so MANY to choose from! |
| 19:25.20 | ampingu | any sata, apparently |
| 19:25.24 | enouf | there is no extra pin/wire for nothing |
| 19:25.29 | enouf | wrong |
| 19:25.34 | ampingu | thats not what wikipedia says |
| 19:25.38 | themill | suspects that the who sata thing can probably move to #debian-offtopic now |
| 19:25.41 | AbortRet1yFail | afaik sata was designed from the ground up to be hot pluggable. |
| 19:25.43 | ampingu | i close the page now |
| 19:25.49 | AbortRet1yFail | lol |
| 19:26.14 | ampingu | something about a 3.3v wire, needed for hot plugging |
| 19:26.15 | mohadib | enouf: ok, on that wiki ICH5 says to not support hot plugging, and it doesnt, but as i said, with a little cli action you can unplug/plug the drive into a running machine and use it |
| 19:26.26 | mohadib | i can show you proof if you care to see it |
| 19:26.38 | AbortRet1yFail | nah the 3.3v wire is for laptop drives. |
| 19:26.48 | enouf | mohadib: i know all about rescanning the scsi_host/hostX |
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| 19:26.56 | abrotman | what does this have to do with Debian again? |
| 19:27.05 | mohadib | enouf: great, thats all i was saying |
| 19:27.09 | enouf | well - i had to answer ;-) |
| 19:28.00 | enouf | moves elsewhere |
| 19:28.00 | ampingu | pasting (if its allowed): |
| 19:28.00 | ampingu | # A third voltage is supplied – 3.3 V – in addition to the traditional 5 V, and 12 V. |
| 19:28.00 | ampingu | # Each voltage is supplied by three pins ganged together – because the small pins by themselves cannot supply sufficient current for some devices. (Each pin should be able to provide 1.5 A.) |
| 19:28.00 | ampingu | # For each of the three voltages, one of the three pins is used for hotplugging. |
| 19:28.00 | ampingu | # Ground is provided by five pins ganged together. |
| 19:28.00 | ampingu | # Pin 11 can be used for staggered spinup, activity indication, or nothing. Staggered spinup is used to |
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| 19:28.00 | enouf | omg |
| 19:28.00 | mohadib | lol |
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| 19:28.14 | enouf | debhelper - wtf? |
| 19:28.18 | ampingu | sorry - got kicked for flooding |
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| 19:28.26 | samantha-b- | ampingu, we noticed. |
| 19:28.27 | enouf | oh, she did work \o/ |
| 19:28.28 | ampingu | didnt realise (im new) |
| 19:28.31 | abrotman | shouldn't you apologize for flooding? instead of being kicked? |
| 19:28.44 | Polizei | i think im going to install the `testing' one ;) |
| 19:28.47 | ampingu | yes, so sorry : ) |
| 19:28.48 | enouf | forgot about his hide /join and /part messages, lmao |
| 19:28.54 | ampingu | *bows japanese style* |
| 19:29.21 | ampingu | just pasted the bit i found on wikipedia |
| 19:29.29 | ampingu | thought y'might be interested |
| 19:30.01 | enouf | there is no extra pins nor wires, they've always been there |
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| 19:30.45 | samantha-b- | wow unison is taking ... a while ... for the initial file list. :-) |
| 19:31.01 | enouf | your Illuminatti in the Ivory Tower dictate through their Dickhead Cheney led Secret Society meetings when and if they'll enable it |
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| 19:33.13 | dustybin | if anyones bored, see if you can get xmame.svgalib to run using the svgalib frame buffer. I been on it all day.. |
| 19:33.41 | enouf | dub: i did manage to get mplayer working in console using svgalib |
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| 19:33.47 | enouf | erm .. dustybin |
| 19:34.01 | ampingu | yes, anyway, i must go. all v interesting though. thanks again for this initial ram drive tip, stew |
| 19:34.05 | dustybin | enouf: how the hell did you manage that |
| 19:34.08 | ampingu | bye all |
| 19:34.19 | enouf | though i hadn't quite tweaked it yet enough - so it was a bit fugly still |
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| 19:34.39 | enouf | dustybin: have you edited your /etc/svga... one sec |
| 19:35.05 | dustybin | enouf: i have but how do you execute that script? |
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| 19:36.00 | enouf | here dustybin /etc/vga/libvga.config |
| 19:36.07 | enouf | one sec |
| 19:36.32 | dustybin | enouf: i been changing stuff on that all day, nothing seems to respond to it |
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| 19:36.51 | Laeborg|Lap` | how can i find out what version of debian i have ? |
| 19:37.17 | dustybin | uname -o |
| 19:37.32 | Laeborg|Lap` | GNU/Linux |
| 19:37.37 | qurbani | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:37.41 | dustybin | actually no |
| 19:38.13 | epsilon | or check /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:39.09 | epsilon | the 3rd word is pointing on version name or stable/testing/sid |
| 19:39.15 | enouf | dustybin: something like mplayer dvd:// -vo svga 1024x768x16M ... i was toying with svga, directfb, and even cvidix cause i have all those - and i forgot to save the working exact command - but you get the idea |
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| 19:39.45 | enouf | dustybin: oh yesh, add -vsync , IIRC |
| 19:40.02 | dustybin | enouf: vsync in the mame options? |
| 19:40.12 | enouf | dustybin: i don't know what mame is |
| 19:40.25 | harpal | Hey does any plugin for pidgin, which shows me a person become online and offline, like yahoo messenger have at bottom |
| 19:40.45 | enouf | dustybin: if you give me some minutes, i'll drop to console and pop in a dvd and try again |
| 19:40.54 | dustybin | ok thanks :-) |
| 19:40.56 | enouf | dustybin: if that would help |
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| 19:41.05 | abrotman | harpal: yo'ud want to ask #pidgin i'd think |
| 19:41.16 | enouf | dustybin: im on 2.6.26-1, and mainly/mostly sid |
| 19:41.21 | qurbani | i don't think that be a good way, because may be some other one changed the source.list but still did not distupgrad |
| 19:41.32 | dustybin | enouf: im running lenny |
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| 19:43.05 | harpal | abrotman: ya thanks |
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| 19:45.09 | daniiel | is the nvidia module in lenny still called nv ? |
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| 19:46.43 | dustybin | daniiel: the free one yes |
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| 19:49.51 | Amarande | I can't even remember what the non-free one is now |
| 19:50.01 | daniiel | nvidia |
| 19:50.02 | Amarande | I know in ATI, you have your choice of radeon, radeonhd, or fglrx (which is spelled f-a-i-l) |
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| 19:50.16 | daniiel | =) |
| 19:51.16 | Amarande | which has absolutely nothing to do with seeking to bash ATI unjustifiably, and everything to do with the fact that every time I've attempted to use fglrx, my system stability has dropped like a piece of osmium in water. :) |
| 19:51.48 | Amarande | I tried 8.9 last night, it's no better than the others |
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| 19:57.51 | wols | Amarande: don't you have a ati9200 or such? |
| 19:59.06 | qurbani | how i should increase the number of open file descriptors in debian? |
| 19:59.18 | Amarande | wols: HD 3870 :| |
| 19:59.52 | Amarande | Ironically, a 9200 would probably do better in Linux |
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| 20:00.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | what type of graphics card should one strife for these days for linux, btw? |
| 20:00.46 | Amarande | At this point, I need to consider the possibility of crawling back and begging Windows to accept me back. :| |
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| 20:00.54 | Amarande | Cut: something that's not ATI |
| 20:01.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've always went with nvidia, but that's always a hassle with the non-free kernel module and driver |
| 20:01.21 | Amarande | Cut: it's better than ATI's |
| 20:01.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | and ati has it's problems also |
| 20:01.33 | Amarande | with ATI ... if your card is reasonably recent at all, you have to use fglrx or have no 3D acceleration |
| 20:01.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | and these are the two big ones these days, right? |
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| 20:01.55 | Amarande | and fglrx, well basically every 8.x version has been miserably buggy to the point of making the system unacceptably unstable |
| 20:02.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, with nvidia you have to use the nvidia kernel module or you dont have 3D acc |
| 20:02.26 | Amarande | at least the nVidia kernel module doesn't crash your machine whenever you switch users and sometimes whenever you log off |
| 20:02.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | matrox is probably ok, but they are very pricy for what you get |
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| 20:03.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | one matrox card has the additional advantage that you can have.. wossname, these 8bitcolor overlays |
| 20:04.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | but something around 300 bucks for a card that would have been fashionable 8 years ago... :( |
| 20:04.29 | Saar | how to non interactively accept that pesky sun licnese ;-) http://www.davidpashley.com/blog/2008/03/27 |
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| 20:04.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | on a package? |
| 20:05.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think you get it on a package itself |
| 20:05.28 | abrotman | Saar: the sun java stuff is packaged in debian already |
| 20:05.59 | Polizei | isnt gcj/gij a good alternative to sun's one? |
| 20:06.00 | Saar | hm yes the packages ask you to hit a key |
| 20:06.11 | Amarande | I wonder if fglrx runs any better on the workstation cards, or if it's just as buggy. |
| 20:06.17 | oc80z | anyone run a ibook g4 with debian-ppc? |
| 20:06.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Polizei, only if you find something that really works with it |
| 20:06.30 | Saar | neither apt-get -y or apt-get -y --force-yes do the trick |
| 20:06.31 | abrotman | Saar: TBH i doubt you can skip that .. it seems it would violate the terms |
| 20:06.46 | Amarande | Actually, what do you really GET from workstation cards, besides a way higher price tag and some sort of extra tech support probably? |
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| 20:07.00 | Saar | you mean the police'd come after me of not a human hit the keyboard to accept it? |
| 20:07.04 | Saar | of=if |
| 20:07.08 | Trewas | CutMeOwnThroat: afaik newer than matrox g550 have only binary-only driver, and g550 is ancient |
| 20:07.15 | abrotman | Saar: that link tells you exactly how |
| 20:07.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Saar, FBI or CIA would - and beat you up until you're sorry |
| 20:07.21 | Saar | in essence a human did accept it, i.e. me by creating the script |
| 20:07.23 | abrotman | should have read before hand |
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| 20:07.36 | Amarande | Cut: since when did those two just beat you up? :) |
| 20:07.41 | Saar | CutMeOwnThroat: oops, i better hide ;-) |
| 20:07.43 | Amarande | They drag you away and use you in mind control experiments! :) |
| 20:07.47 | Amarande | and by the way |
| 20:07.52 | Amarande | I did not mention mind control experiments |
| 20:08.04 | abrotman | oc80z: lots of people .. but there is a PPC channel |
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| 20:08.13 | Saar | abrotman: yes thats why I pasted it |
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| 20:08.27 | abrotman | Saar: so do what it says? |
| 20:08.34 | Saar | Amarande: whatever you say here gets logged |
| 20:08.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amarande, ha - ever heared of some place in Guantanamo bay? Full of people who didn't hit the key in person... |
| 20:08.42 | Polizei | Saar, cant you just pipe the input to apt? |
| 20:08.49 | nMish_ | Where can I find .config of kernel that is in /install.386/vmlinuz on debian4-netinst.iso ? |
| 20:08.57 | Saar | i found out the hard way... when my gf started googling for my (previous ;) nick name |
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| 20:09.20 | Saar | abrotman: yes i wasn't asking a question, i was providing information |
| 20:09.23 | abrotman | nMish_: /boot/ |
| 20:09.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Saar, why do you need that? Need to install it on 100 machines? |
| 20:09.24 | Amarande | Cut: and people who tore the tag off a pillow :D |
| 20:09.36 | Saar | CutMeOwnThroat: something like that, but not 100 |
| 20:09.38 | qurbani | nMish: /boot/config-2.6* |
| 20:09.52 | Amarande | Saar: you'd be better off just copying disks |
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| 20:10.00 | Saar | nah |
| 20:10.11 | Saar | takes forever to clone a disk |
| 20:10.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Saar, perhaps just repackage it... (e.g. using checkinstall) or roll your own from the source package (if there is one) |
| 20:10.34 | Amarande | Saar, you don't even need to clone the disk |
| 20:10.36 | Saar | i use preseed and some custom scripts |
| 20:10.41 | Amarande | just copy the filesystems over making sure that permissions etc. are retained |
| 20:10.50 | Saar | i know |
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| 20:11.13 | Saar | but i dont like that much for some reason, except when recovering a server and there is a clone around |
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| 20:11.58 | Saar | it requires some hacking to get ethernet working, since the ethernet naming is different but you have the previous udev files around |
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| 20:12.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Saar, I wonder if "checkinstall dpkg -i your-java-package" would work |
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| 20:12.26 | Saar | z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 20:12.32 | Saar | has the mac addresses hardcoded |
| 20:13.11 | Saar | have to remove it to get the ethx naming right |
| 20:13.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amarande, btw. did you know you can probably autocomple my nick with [Tab]? :) |
| 20:13.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/comple/complete/ |
| 20:13.59 | Mundus | I'd prefer typing CMOT |
| 20:14.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha - that is actually also highlighted for me |
| 20:14.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | but "Cut" is not |
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| 20:14.40 | Mundus | CMOT Dibbler, almost fresh sausages inna bun |
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| 20:15.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | almost a bun :) |
| 20:15.08 | rahsputin | what is/are the command/s to make a bootable floppy |
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| 20:15.52 | qurbani | rahsputin, apt-get install mkrboot |
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| 20:17.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | rahsputin, http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Creating-a-GRUB-boot-floppy.html |
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| 20:17.47 | rahsputin | thanx |
| 20:18.22 | path_ | anybody want to have fun a bit ? |
| 20:19.01 | path_ | I'm on a debian etch running lvm encrypt and alsa doesnt run that well, it freezes when I pause the mplayer using the alsa output |
| 20:19.46 | path_ | etch on x86_64 btw, 2.6.24-etch and a half |
| 20:20.17 | path_ | I ruled out the kernel and now I'm trying to rule out alsa and X |
| 20:20.40 | JordiGH | path_: Why do you think the encrypted partition has anything to do with it? |
| 20:20.51 | JordiGH | path_: does top show lots of kcrypt action? |
| 20:21.12 | path_ | because I was on a normal fs and this doesn't happenned JordiGH |
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| 20:21.44 | JordiGH | path_: All other variables held constant? |
| 20:21.58 | path_ | yep |
| 20:22.20 | path_ | the only thing that could lead to a disaster it might be xorg (Im using the lenny version) |
| 20:22.30 | path_ | but I tried on console and happenned the same thing |
| 20:22.37 | path_ | http://debian.pastebin.com/m59584e04 |
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| 20:23.14 | path_ | forget it all |
| 20:23.16 | path_ | its xorg :) |
| 20:23.21 | path_ | or some library |
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| 20:23.35 | path_ | thanks for your guidance anyway JordiGH |
| 20:24.11 | enyawix | how is debian 64bit? I am looking to replace my crap distro with debian |
| 20:24.18 | JordiGH | path_: Is it because its xorg :) that you came to see me? |
| 20:24.39 | path_ | consider the port amd64 is pretty old, its solid as a rock enyawix |
| 20:25.01 | JordiGH | enyawix: For me, it's almost flawless. A few apps aren't ported to 64bit, such as zsnes (sniff, I miss it), but with some dedicated hacking you can get around these problems. |
| 20:25.02 | path_ | haha you maintain some library on xorg? didnt notice JordiGH :D |
| 20:25.09 | abrotman | enyawix: other than binary-only stuff? |
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| 20:25.41 | JordiGH | zsnes isn't ported to 64bit because it's got 32bit asm and nobody remembers anymore what it does. |
| 20:25.52 | Amarande | hah |
| 20:26.01 | path_ | haha |
| 20:26.02 | Amarande | sounds like my DOOM level that I unearthed last night and tried to play |
| 20:26.03 | path_ | thats fun |
| 20:26.11 | Amarande | and I can't remember how to get more than 12/16 of the secrets |
| 20:26.13 | enyawix | i want to install cinelerra and linuxsampler |
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| 20:26.27 | enyawix | they are opensource |
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| 20:26.57 | abrotman | enyawix: not sure about linuxsampler, but pretty sure cinelerra isn't in debian |
| 20:27.13 | abrotman | enyawix: imeant stuff liek flash/java/etc .. binary-only stuff |
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| 20:27.32 | yigal | does anyone know if aptitude can search for the intersection of two key terms like apt-cache, and if so how this can be done? |
| 20:27.33 | path_ | flash runs smooth on amd64 |
| 20:27.44 | path_ | just using ndiswrapper :D |
| 20:27.46 | JordiGH | enyawix: I've also seen some 64bit-specific segfaulting here and there (usually when the original authors make assumptions such as casting pointers to ints is ok). |
| 20:28.17 | AvK | cześć |
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| 20:30.54 | AvK | jest tu kto ? |
| 20:31.08 | enyawix | ok the apps are not in the debian package database :( |
| 20:31.25 | enyawix | i will keep looking for a distro |
| 20:31.39 | samantha-b- | you could custom-compile them. i know that's too hard tho. |
| 20:31.40 | JordiGH | Oh. cze?? means "hi". Or "thank you". I forget. |
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| 20:32.06 | JordiGH | AvK: #debian-pl, #platinum |
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| 20:32.29 | JordiGH | (Well, they use Slackware at #platinum, but...) |
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| 20:32.36 | path_ | lmao |
| 20:32.54 | AvK | JordiGH, jesteś Polakiem ? |
| 20:33.13 | samantha-b- | wow. unison is ... slow. :-/ |
| 20:33.21 | enyawix | samantha-b- ok i will try debian 64 in a VM |
| 20:33.21 | JordiGH | AvK: Izivni, ya tolko mogu govorit' s toboy po-russki. |
| 20:33.44 | AvK | are you pole JordiGH |
| 20:33.46 | JordiGH | samantha-b-: What protocol are you using? ssh? |
| 20:33.49 | jelly-home | !pl |
| 20:33.49 | dpkg | polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
| 20:33.52 | JordiGH | AvK: No. |
| 20:34.01 | AvK | aaa, ok ok i understand |
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| 20:34.06 | enyawix | thanks for all the help |
| 20:34.16 | samantha-b- | JordiGH, yes. it's still doing the initial scan. |
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| 20:34.46 | JordiGH | samantha-b-: Sorry. In compensation, it seems to be more featureful than rsync. :-/ |
| 20:34.47 | \amethyst | I only ever learned enough to say 'przepraszam, nie movię po polsku' |
| 20:35.02 | \amethyst | and 'dobra zupa', which isn't of general application |
| 20:35.02 | Amarande | that means ... something, nice movie in polish? |
| 20:35.03 | JordiGH | \amethyst: "sorry, I don't speak Polish"? |
| 20:35.09 | \amethyst | JordiGH: exactly :) |
| 20:35.17 | samantha-b- | JordiGH, just so the time isn't a complete waste (because this seems to be processor-driven, not bandwidth-driven), i have the rsync running in the background at half speed. |
| 20:35.34 | AvK | JordiGH, why have you learnt russish , polish is a easier and more interesting language :P |
| 20:35.39 | JordiGH | samantha-b-: Remote synchronisation deathmatch! |
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| 20:35.51 | samantha-b- | JordiGH, i just want to download this crap. |
| 20:35.58 | N1ckR | Does anyone know where I can find instructions how to configure compiz in Lenny (with intel xorg drivers) ? |
| 20:36.02 | samantha-b- | sooner is better and i have a slow pipe for trying to move this much data. |
| 20:36.02 | qurbani | does the "apt-get dselect-upgrade" remove the packages with deinstall stat? |
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| 20:36.48 | JordiGH | N1ckR: All you have to do (or did) is remove the intel drivers from the blacklist. You may want to use XAA and not use Xv too (XAA in xorg.conf, Xv in gstreamer-properties and VLC and mplayer configs). |
| 20:36.56 | JordiGH | N1ckR: try #compiz-fusion. |
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| 20:37.12 | zizzfizzix | i get: "aptitude: double free or corruption (out): 0x0aab04c0" doing upgrade, and then backtrace what is this? |
| 20:37.25 | wols | zizzfizzix: an aptitude bug |
| 20:37.26 | JordiGH | samantha-b-: Create a single file in the remote machine, sftp it? |
| 20:37.32 | zizzfizzix | i can't upgrade, tried reinstall aptitude but nothing.. |
| 20:37.38 | JordiGH | zizzfizzix: A nasty bug. |
| 20:37.47 | JordiGH | zizzfizzix: You're using sid, I hope. |
| 20:37.52 | wols | zizzfizzix: what are you running? which debian? |
| 20:37.58 | zizzfizzix | SID |
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| 20:38.10 | wols | install aptitude from lenny then and pray |
| 20:38.10 | zizzfizzix | so what's now? |
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| 20:38.24 | Assid | heya |
| 20:38.31 | JordiGH | zizzfizzix: File a bug report, try to backtrace aptitude, see if you can figure out where the bug is, look at the source, submit a patch. |
| 20:38.35 | Assid | anyone know how to add mp3 support to sox? |
| 20:38.38 | Amarande | zizzfizzix, it's sid. you should expect things to be broken |
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| 20:38.50 | N1ckR | JordiGH, thanks. I currently get an xgl error - i assume xorg.conf tweaking needed. |
| 20:39.00 | JordiGH | N1ckR: Did you say "etch"? |
| 20:39.05 | N1ckR | Lenny |
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| 20:39.11 | zizzfizzix | JordiGH: i isn't filled already? |
| 20:39.17 | zizzfizzix | it* |
| 20:39.18 | JordiGH | zizzfizzix: You should check. |
| 20:39.21 | JordiGH | !bts |
| 20:39.21 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 20:39.22 | samantha-b- | JordiGH, what's the point? ssh/scp works fine. |
| 20:39.34 | JordiGH | samantha-b-: sftp is the same protocol as ascp. |
| 20:39.37 | JordiGH | scp |
| 20:39.41 | JordiGH | well, "same". |
| 20:39.42 | wire | ok, so just for the sake of doing it, I want to install debian via a knoppix live cd |
| 20:39.43 | pingouin | anyone can lead me to a console (ncurses for instance) tool to help setting up rules for iptables ? thanks |
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| 20:40.46 | yigal | oh yes, I see aptitude is pretty neat for searching, to answer my question ?and(term1,term2) |
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| 20:41.15 | JordiGH | yigal: Nice, good to know. I always apt-cache search, because aptitude seems slower. |
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| 20:41.55 | yigal | JordiGH: yes, I have the same experience but when if comes to package management I'm fine if it's a bit slower and does it right :) |
| 20:42.04 | yigal | s/if/it/ |
| 20:42.12 | jumpmasterflash | when using my microphone through aoss, it is almost mute |
| 20:42.23 | jumpmasterflash | when using alsa, it's working correctly |
| 20:42.28 | jumpmasterflash | any ideas? |
| 20:44.18 | yigal | JordiGH: what I mean is that aptitude seems to have a really advanced capability to search for different types of packages, but I'm not sure about the learning curve :) |
| 20:45.18 | AvK | surely |
| 20:45.19 | JordiGH | yigal: Yeah, there's been a GTK+ port in the works that'll hopefully make all of aptitude's abilities more transparent. I think it's already kinda working, and I could have sworn it was a GSoC project. |
| 20:45.23 | AvK | sorry |
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| 20:45.56 | dustybin | I got mame svgalib working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it was a case of putting in a shit load of modelines inside /etc/vga/libvga.conf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 20:46.40 | jelly-home | !!!! |
| 20:46.40 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 20:54.37 | axolx | hey guys when i go into aptitude it lists all these packages that are ready to install even i didnt yet select anything. who can i clear them all? |
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| 20:54.57 | upsilonish | it is good that dpkg has that factoid |
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| 20:56.27 | Amarande | Anyway, someone should teach dpkg the new fglrx stuff |
| 20:56.43 | Amarande | though sadly, the driver is still fail, so knowing how you do it now is still not really something useful :| |
| 20:57.24 | Amarande | The howto fails epically on Lenny, after some figuring things out, you apparently need to do two things - |
| 20:57.42 | Amarande | * you DON'T use fakeroot when you sh the ATI install package to build the package, however, you have to add /sbin to your PATH before you do so |
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| 20:58.05 | Amarande | * you have to use m-a build, and NOT m-a a-i when you build the kernel module |
| 20:58.41 | Amarande | speaking of m-a a-i |
| 20:59.00 | Amarande | am I correct in surmising that m-a a-i dishonors any and all "hold" or "forbid" version designators in apt? |
| 20:59.03 | jelly-home | affectionately called, mod-ass |
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| 20:59.49 | wire | is there a quick format or something for ext3? |
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| 21:00.39 | tarzeau | wire: you mean mkfs.ext3 ? |
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| 21:02.30 | wire | that is going to take quite a while for a 500gb partition |
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| 21:03.14 | Polizei | well, generally i would sit down to think ``a while'' before formatting a 500gb partition :) |
| 21:03.40 | wire | brand new drive... |
| 21:04.08 | Polizei | cool, so what are you waiting for? mkfs it :) |
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| 21:04.53 | wire | well I just did it for a 60 gig drive and that took quit a bit of time, there has to be something faster |
| 21:05.10 | wire | it seems like it is zeroing the drive or something |
| 21:06.00 | Polizei | well, i dont see anything at the manual, but you can use some winboze-like partitioner to format it, e.g. partition tragic |
| 21:06.10 | illio | libapache2-mod-security is apparently not in the package system.. does that make sense? and if so is anyone aware which source I need to add? |
| 21:06.12 | Polizei | i remember it was quite fast |
| 21:06.30 | zizzfizzix | how to downgrade aptitude not using it? |
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| 21:06.46 | zizzfizzix | i tried dselect but failed.. |
| 21:06.52 | keith4 | wire: make sure you're using DMA |
| 21:07.15 | avu | !tell zizzfizzix about downgrade |
| 21:07.17 | wire | can you turn that off for a sata drive? |
| 21:07.33 | keith4 | shrugs |
| 21:07.43 | keith4 | what do you mean by "quite a bit of time"? |
| 21:07.47 | keith4 | maybe you're just impatient |
| 21:08.01 | wire | maybe 10 minutes or so |
| 21:08.08 | stew | wire: just run mkfs. ext3 doesn't require formatting. it doesn't zero the drive. it would have been done by now |
| 21:08.10 | themill | judd bug 20050627 |
| 21:08.16 | keith4 | I would expect mkfs.ext3 to take ~5 minutes on 500G of disk |
| 21:08.23 | stew | themill: you'll have to wait a few years for that |
| 21:08.24 | wire | hmm |
| 21:08.25 | NeoIce | so I was reading this script: http://www.linuxinsight.com/files/notify-debian should I have /usr/bin/notify-send? |
| 21:08.33 | themill | judd: bug 313615 |
| 21:08.37 | themill | stew: err yes |
| 21:08.47 | stew | that one should have worked though |
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| 21:09.28 | themill | dpkg dbugs 313615 |
| 21:09.32 | dpkg | DONE:#313615:G[libapache-mod-security] License conflict makes binary undistributable (); Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:33:02 UTC [] |
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| 21:09.39 | themill | illio: ^^ that's why |
| 21:10.14 | illio | themill, hmm okay.. what todo about that then?.. just download it manually? |
| 21:11.15 | wire | i'll just wait and format the large partitions after I get the base system installed |
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| 21:11.38 | jelly-home | themill: someone could have made a wrapper package like for djb's stuff |
| 21:11.55 | themill | jelly-home: yes you could :) |
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| 21:12.28 | samantha-b- | jelly-home, it would be nice if somebody would bother doing away with the wrappers for djb stuff now. |
| 21:12.36 | qurbani | sorry for interrupt, i have problem with the number of open file descriptor on debian, i installed the asterisk on etch, but when after some time, that crash with this error msg "too many open files"...can you help me plz? |
| 21:12.41 | vlt | Hello. Any idea why a cronjob stops after 5 minutes (what it didn't do at least a few weeks ago)? |
| 21:14.18 | stew | i wonder why the author hasn't just dual licenced it with apl yet |
| 21:14.41 | jelly-home | stew: he _wants_ to keep control that way |
| 21:15.52 | stew | he's being more skilled at keeping his software out of debian than tuomov is |
| 21:16.45 | NeoIce | so apparently my 'notifcation-daemon-xfce' package didnt include 'notify-send' am I missing a package or do I need to just reinstall it? |
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| 21:20.35 | qurbani | there is not any idea about increasing the number of open file descriptors? |
| 21:21.05 | axolx | hey guys -- when i do 'hostname -f' i get hostname: Unknown host |
| 21:21.14 | axolx | if i do 'hostname' i get the full domain |
| 21:21.27 | gileswork | evenin all |
| 21:21.28 | axolx | what could i have misconfigured |
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| 21:24.45 | jelly-home | qurbani: man limits.conf |
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| 21:26.57 | qurbani | jelly-home, i change that, but that didn't have any effect, i even changed the sysctl.conf but i still have problem |
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| 21:28.00 | jelly-home | qurbani: if it's a service run as root, you might simply stick a few ulimit command in its init script |
| 21:28.12 | jelly-home | qurbani: (in bash, "help ulimit") |
| 21:28.54 | NeoIce | if my system doesnt have a system speaker, is there a way to make \a trigger a sound in XFCE? |
| 21:30.04 | Divine06 | when you make a change to rsyncd.conf, do you have to restart any service? |
| 21:30.20 | jelly-home | qurbani: limits.conf is only used by pam_limits module, that is, by pam-enabled services that have it enabled in their /etc/pam.d/* file |
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| 21:32.38 | qurbani | jelly-home, because that is critical service i putted that in inittab as a respawn process, i wrote a script that first set the "ulimit -n" and after that exec the asterisk, but the point is after crash, the number of open file descriptors change! |
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| 21:33.44 | qurbani | jelly-home, awo, you mean that don't have any affect on whole of the process? |
| 21:34.34 | qurbani | s/don't/does't/g |
| 21:34.54 | ceil420 | is there some log i can look at to figure out why debian keeps locking up? |
| 21:34.57 | jelly-home | I don't quite understand that last line, you mean, there's no global setting? |
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| 21:36.07 | jelly-home | qurbani: I have no idea why would a second spawning of your script result in limits not being set |
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| 21:37.19 | qurbani | jelly-home, you think that is unusual problem? i mean you think that is a mistake in configuration? |
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| 21:38.00 | jelly-home | qurbani: pastebin your wrapper script |
| 21:38.32 | jelly-home | qurbani: did you set both soft and hard limits? |
| 21:38.45 | qurbani | jelly-home, yes, i did |
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| 21:42.01 | qurbani | jelly-home, #!/bin/bash |
| 21:42.01 | qurbani | echo `date` --- `ulimit -n` >> /tmp/fd.log |
| 21:42.01 | qurbani | ulimit -n 65536 |
| 21:42.01 | qurbani | /usr/sbin/asterisk |
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| 21:43.35 | jelly-home | !+tell qurbani -about paste |
| 21:43.35 | dpkg | told qurbani about paste. |
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| 21:44.02 | qurbani | jelly-home, the debhelper kicked me out! |
| 21:44.18 | jelly-home | qurbani: dpkg bot told you why |
| 21:44.22 | qurbani | how i should use paster bot? |
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| 21:44.42 | jelly-home | qurbani: did you get a private message from "dpkg"? |
| 21:45.07 | wire | having never installed debian from another distro's live cd, it is shocking ly easy |
| 21:45.14 | jelly-home | qurbani: there's no paster bot, just use a pastebin site |
| 21:45.14 | qurbani | no, i didn't |
| 21:45.18 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 21:45.18 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 21:45.30 | qurbani | !paste |
| 21:45.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 21:46.10 | qurbani | jelly-home, thanks, i get that |
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| 21:48.11 | qurbani | jelly-home, http://rafb.net/p/dTJO4O86.html |
| 21:48.15 | NeoIce | does anyone here use FUSE with HFS+ ? |
| 21:48.24 | jelly-home | qurbani: why not exec /usr/sbin/asterisk? |
| 21:49.18 | qurbani | jelly-home, yes, you have right, but i think i did that on the origin server! |
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| 21:49.48 | jelly-home | qurbani: it looks reasonable anyway |
| 21:50.32 | jelly-home | "ulimit -n number" changes both soft- and hardlimit here (with lenny's bash, though) |
| 21:51.37 | jelly-home | qurbani: you can verify with ulimit -S -n and ulimit -H -n |
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| 21:52.05 | Amarande | though is there really anything you need to raise the max number of open file descriptors for besides ircd? |
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| 21:54.20 | JyZyXEL | these cheap SATA -> USB chips don't seem to have full support =D |
| 21:54.41 | qurbani | jelly-home, in lenny's default configuration, hard and soft limits are unlimited |
| 21:54.43 | JyZyXEL | SMART doesn't work and some hdparm features won't work :p |
| 21:54.53 | jelly-home | qurbani: btw debian seems to have their own script for automatic restart, it's used when you uncomment RUNASTSAFE=yes in /etc/default/asterisk |
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| 21:56.48 | Amarande | I can't remember the last time I used hdparm or SMART |
| 21:58.28 | qurbani | jelly-home, they think there is not 100% guaranty for that: http://forum.asterisk2billing.org/viewtopic.php?p=3482 |
| 21:58.55 | JyZyXEL | putting loud HD's to sleep mode is cool |
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| 22:01.45 | jelly-home | qurbani: that thread is dreadful. :-) |
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| 22:02.28 | qurbani | jelly-home, awo, yes, i'm sorry, that was good point that i can use that in place of inittab |
| 22:02.42 | qurbani | jelly-home, but, when i was monitor /proc/sys/fs/file-nr, after 'ulimit -n' the asterisk still crash if the number file-nr reach to 1024! even after "echo 65536 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max" |
| 22:02.48 | jelly-home | qurbani: nevertheless, there is some sense in making init take care of it |
| 22:03.56 | jelly-home | qurbani: um, file-nr is supposed to be sufficiently large by default after boot |
| 22:04.17 | jelly-home | I mean file-max |
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| 22:04.35 | qurbani | jelly-home, awo, i think in etch the default size of file-max is 1024 |
| 22:05.26 | jelly-home | qurbani: set it in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 22:05.26 | qurbani | jelly-home, but in lenny that changed to 50092! |
| 22:05.44 | jelly-home | qurbani: which release are you using now? |
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| 22:06.08 | qurbani | jelly-home, i'm sorry :D but i did that, but still with out any success. |
| 22:06.14 | qurbani | jelly-home, etch |
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| 22:07.51 | jelly-home | qurbani: uname -r? |
| 22:08.36 | wire | ok so I am trying to install grub from a partition I chrooted into (after using debootstrap) but I don't have /dev/sda which is the disk that it needs to be installed to in /dev |
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| 22:08.56 | qurbani | jelly-home, i don't have access to that machine right now, but i think '2.6.18-[0-9]-686 |
| 22:08.56 | wire | so I can't do grub-install /dev/sda |
| 22:09.09 | wire | or have I just screwed up somewhere |
| 22:09.41 | qurbani | jelly-home, that service is running in some part of my government office, and because of that i don't have any remote access. |
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| 22:10.03 | jelly-home | qurbani: ... well, come back when you get access? |
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| 22:10.17 | psynaptic | hi! |
| 22:10.22 | jelly-home | qurbani: sell them a vpn solution! |
| 22:10.25 | psynaptic | I just chose debian for my server OS |
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| 22:10.30 | psynaptic | *pciked |
| 22:10.32 | psynaptic | bah! |
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| 22:11.30 | qurbani | jelly-home, yes, you have right, i think i need provide more info for you |
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| 22:13.19 | psynaptic | you guys better be good or I'll hunt you down and install windows on your computers! |
| 22:14.38 | qurbani | jelly-home, lol, they have some, but i'm don't have access to that, because they use some USB token for accessing to the network, and we are not valid for using that! |
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| 22:15.01 | qurbani | jelly-home, did you hear any thing about 3th-world? i'm leave there ;) |
| 22:15.18 | qurbani | s/i'm don't/don't/g |
| 22:16.17 | qurbani | jelly-home, thanks in advance for your help |
| 22:17.00 | jelly-home | cheers |
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| 22:18.03 | n-iCe | iceweasel doesn't let me open .php sites, says open with... |
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| 22:19.59 | ceil420 | n-iCe, refresh and try again |
| 22:20.12 | n-iCe | nothing |
| 22:20.13 | n-iCe | now? |
| 22:20.15 | ceil420 | i get that sometimes (got it in Firefox on Zenwalk, too) |
| 22:20.35 | ceil420 | usually just trying again works for me |
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| 22:22.10 | themill | n-iCe: all php sites? Your php site? some php sites? |
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| 22:23.54 | sirderigo | hello, i need some help, i have the gnome desktop, debian 5.0 lenny, i installed it from a |
| 22:25.09 | sirderigo | netinst cd, i have a lot of problem, i have videos, and when i try to see any, i see the video, but the sound is dead, i try whit vlc and got nothing and whit mplayer and same....... |
| 22:26.00 | themill | !alsa checklist |
| 22:26.00 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
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| 22:28.15 | sirderigo | dpkg: i forget to say, i can listen my music using amarok, |
| 22:28.16 | dpkg | sirderigo: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 22:28.33 | sirderigo | dpkg: what make you think what i dont readed it? |
| 22:28.34 | dpkg | sirderigo: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 22:28.58 | sirderigo | i tryed all you say, before you say it |
| 22:29.11 | sirderigo | if i am asking is because i can find a anwer |
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| 22:30.09 | n3kl | Yo homes, dpkg is a bot |
| 22:30.11 | dmoerner | sirderigo: dpkg is a bot |
| 22:30.14 | JyZyXEL | haha |
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| 22:30.25 | JyZyXEL | that was funny |
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| 22:30.42 | sirderigo | is really stupid bot, and i am furious because all i try dont work!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:30.59 | sirderigo | yes i think it must be |
| 22:31.06 | n3kl | I think for me to respond to that, you need one more '!' |
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| 22:31.31 | sirderigo | i need one more what=? |
| 22:31.36 | n3kl | nvm |
| 22:31.52 | n3kl | Dood, read every word in the checklist. You are missing something. |
| 22:31.54 | sirderigo | WHAT IS NVM? |
| 22:32.01 | Orbixx | Google it. |
| 22:32.14 | stew | sirderigo: he means "nevermind" |
| 22:32.24 | stew | sirderigo: did you go throgh the alsa checklist above? |
| 22:32.25 | sirderigo | ok, thanks |
| 22:32.39 | torrr | is there a way to change the default application for pdf for all users? |
| 22:32.56 | n3kl | torrr: alternatives? |
| 22:32.58 | enouf | dustybin: hi, welp - as you guessed, i crashed the system messing around with various drivers. Got it to work again, but it's all out of sync and shit, not pleasant - and since i was down there, i removed the evil blob i had installed - the nv driver is much more stable - anyway, i have to go now - hope you can work it out for yourself |
| 22:32.58 | n3kl | maybe |
| 22:33.19 | torrr | I have been told to add a line in /usr/share/applications/default.list at #gnome, but that doesn't work |
| 22:33.24 | sirderigo | stew: yes |
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| 22:33.28 | sirderigo | but nothing works |
| 22:33.41 | torrr | n3kl, ? |
| 22:33.46 | enouf | (actually i crashed it about 5 times) |
| 22:33.50 | stew | sirderigo: what do you mean by nothing? "aplay" doesn't work? |
| 22:33.50 | n3kl | !alternatives |
| 22:33.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, alternatives is is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives> |
| 22:33.59 | jelly-home | sirderigo: what output plugin do you have configured in amarok? Set it to ALSA. |
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| 22:34.26 | torrr | ah |
| 22:34.46 | themill | torrr: there's no alternatives for pdf readers that I know of |
| 22:35.03 | sirderigo | no problem, amarok is set in alsa |
| 22:35.16 | jelly-home | sirderigo: and it works? |
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| 22:35.21 | sirderigo | yes |
| 22:35.26 | themill | torrr: for something to be considered for the alternatives system, all the different implementations must accept the same command line options |
| 22:35.28 | itrebal | how do I add a certificate authority to be trusted by the operating system? |
| 22:35.48 | sirderigo | no problem |
| 22:35.49 | jelly-home | sirderigo: and "mplayer -ao alsa whatever.avi" doesn't? |
| 22:36.32 | torrr | themill, I want acroread to be it |
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| 22:36.51 | sirderigo | jelly-home: X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)1.2% 0 0 |
| 22:37.01 | sirderigo | now i get sound bot no video |
| 22:37.10 | jelly-home | themill: but there's mailcap entries |
| 22:37.15 | themill | torrr: yuck!? You'll need to do something to the gnome settings for that, but I don't use gnome so I don't know what. |
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| 22:37.46 | jelly-home | sirderigo: this is not a sound issue, then |
| 22:37.48 | amphi | sirderigo: mplayer -ao alsa -vo x11 blah.avi works? |
| 22:37.56 | torrr | themill, I talked with #gnome and what was suggested didn't help |
| 22:38.01 | dmoerner | torrr: you should be able to right click, go to open with, go to select another application, and then tick the box that says use this as the default |
| 22:38.02 | themill | jelly-home: true, but most desktop environments seem to ignore them these days. (and that's not the alternatives system) |
| 22:38.19 | dmoerner | torrr: if you remove other pdf readers from your system won't it work with acroread? |
| 22:38.25 | sirderigo | i get they both, it works |
| 22:38.41 | amphi | sirderigo: what about -vo xv ? |
| 22:39.02 | jelly-home | !customer |
| 22:39.02 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 22:39.20 | amphi | heh |
| 22:39.28 | sirderigo | im so sorry |
| 22:39.43 | sirderigo | you say -vo xv? |
| 22:39.59 | amphi | aye - if it works, that will be better |
| 22:40.13 | sirderigo | i get sound no video |
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| 22:41.54 | jelly-home | sirderigo: which graphic card do you have? xvideo should work with most modern cards |
| 22:42.07 | sirderigo | i have a intel gma x3100 |
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| 22:42.26 | jelly-home | sirderigo: which debian release are you using? |
| 22:42.35 | sirderigo | testing, lenny |
| 22:42.53 | jelly-home | sirderigo: dpkg -l xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-video-intel libc6|tail -3 |
| 22:43.07 | amphi | sirderigo: I have that, and -vo xv works fine, in multiple simultaneous instances |
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| 22:43.42 | sirderigo | http://pastebin.com/mf65c25b |
| 22:43.50 | bob489 | hi, i just installed lenny on my laptop... and xfce4-desktop ... iceweasel doesn't open when i type it in a shell |
| 22:44.09 | sirderigo | amphi: i too have ubuntu and in ubuntu dont have any problem |
| 22:44.14 | jelly-home | bob489: is it installed? :-) |
| 22:44.21 | dmoerner | bob489: does it give an error or just do nothing? |
| 22:44.25 | sirderigo | could be a xorg.conf problem? |
| 22:44.28 | bob489 | jelly-home: are you serious |
| 22:44.40 | bob489 | i don't get an error |
| 22:44.53 | bob489 | when i have top open, i can see the process flash really quick |
| 22:44.55 | amphi | sirderigo: xorg on testing should be self-configuring, I believe |
| 22:44.58 | bob489 | but no window |
| 22:45.02 | amphi | sirderigo: what does xvinfo say? |
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| 22:45.47 | sirderigo | http://pastebin.com/m745a3414 |
| 22:46.16 | bob489 | dillo works ok though for some reason... and i tried to dl firefox3 tarball... that doesn't run either |
| 22:46.41 | mutante | i just tried out the package "debsecan - Debian Security Analyzer" and i am on stable/etch, and told debsecan that i am, i ran apt-get update and upgrade just before and i have security updates in sources.list, but i still get quite a list of "urgent" and "high priority" warnings from debsecan, specifically "liblwres1 (fixed, high urgency, obsolete)" and libisc7 (fixed, high urgency, obsolete) and libgnutls11 (high urgency, obsolete). Do i need to worry now and |
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| 22:48.36 | themill | dpkg: tell mutante about obsolete |
| 22:48.58 | themill | err.... that wasn't that useful. |
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| 22:49.36 | themill | mutante: this is presumably a sarge box that you upgraded -- those three packages are sarge packages that aren't in etch so they weren't upgraded. |
| 22:49.56 | amphi | sirderigo: looks pretty much the same as I get here |
| 22:50.08 | sirderigo | why |
| 22:50.16 | torrr | found anothere default list at /etc |
| 22:50.22 | torrr | now it works |
| 22:50.58 | bob489 | removing the ~/.mozilla dir fixed the problem |
| 22:51.04 | mutante | themill: yes, that makes sense, thank you |
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| 22:51.21 | mutante | themill: what should i do about it |
| 22:51.56 | themill | mutante: you should be able to safely remove those packages. Make sure that apt doesn't want to remove lots of other things too, though |
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| 22:51.59 | sirderigo | amphi: what you mean? |
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| 22:52.23 | jelly-home | xserver-xorg-video-intel (2:2.3.2-2+lenny4) unstable; urgency=low |
| 22:52.23 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.23 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.24 | sirderigo | amphi: when i type gstreamer-properties |
| 22:52.27 | amphi | sirderigo: your xvinfo shows moreorless the same as mine does here |
| 22:52.34 | mutante | themill: ok, thanks |
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| 22:52.43 | sirderigo | ohh i see |
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| 22:53.05 | sirderigo | jelly-home: i have to put XAA because i cant see the fonts after install lenny |
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| 22:53.31 | Piper69 | howdy |
| 22:53.44 | jelly-home | sirderigo: try upgrading xserver-xorg-video-intel anyway? :-) |
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| 22:53.55 | sirderigo | to a newer version? |
| 22:53.57 | sirderigo | ok i try |
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| 22:54.33 | Kevin` | how can I list the installed packages which depend on another specific package? |
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| 22:55.10 | pikudo | hi any suggestion for update console irc jabber msn client?, please |
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| 22:55.44 | Piper69 | if i have a log file and i am trying to list the end of it, i should use this /or could some one tell me what is wrong with this ' tail -f myfile | cgrep +3 -3 "remote" |
| 22:56.21 | sirderigo | when i try whit gstreamer-properties, i cant change video, because it brokes up |
| 22:56.22 | mutante | Kevin`: dpkg -s <packagename> contains it |
| 22:56.47 | dmoerner | Kevin`: aptitude search ~i~Rpackage |
| 22:56.54 | Piper69 | this should list 3 lines above and 3 lines below every time the word |
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| 22:58.04 | mutante | pikudo: the MSN service via Jabber is a Gateway running on the Jabber server |
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| 22:59.49 | rosaunterhose | i have a USB-Floppy drive i would like to do # dd if=<vmlinux> of=/dev/fd0u1722 how can i get my USB-Floppy Drive to get reconized as /dev/fd0u1722 ? |
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| 23:00.05 | sirderigo | now i can see videos using mplayer, but totem dont work yet |
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| 23:00.29 | dmoerner | rosaunterhose: what is it currently recognized as? |
| 23:00.34 | n3kl | rosaunterhose: why that device? |
| 23:02.26 | rosaunterhose | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.34 | mutante | Piper69: i think you must drop the "-f" of "tail -f", because if you use that it will keep waiting for input from the file forever, and never reach the pipe |
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| 23:03.35 | Piper69 | mutante: but i thought it is for the -f or i must understood the man wrong |
| 23:04.34 | harpal | Hey does /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/file execute only when I have started pppoe ? |
| 23:05.36 | harpal | I have pptp and l2tp server on same machine. it also create ppp interface when some client connect to it |
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| 23:06.06 | mutante | Piper69: do you want to keep doing this all the time, or just a single time |
| 23:06.25 | Piper69 | mutante: all the time |
| 23:06.55 | rosaunterhose | n3kl Because i would like to put something on it with 1722 K capasity |
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| 23:07.54 | n3kl | rosaunterhose: ok, well you could just dd the device that its using now anyway, but if you *really* wan that device name, then you could use a udev rule |
| 23:08.00 | mutante | Piper69: from what i read, it will work, but just take a while, you will have a delay, until the buffer is filled |
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| 23:08.38 | mutante | Piper69: they also do "tail -f /var/log/messages | egrep ipppd" in an example, but mention that you have to realize it is delayed |
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| 23:09.02 | mutante | until a couple kilobytes from the file are in the buffer |
| 23:09.05 | streuner | wb(r) abrotman |
| 23:09.17 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:09.20 | streuner | gravity: ! :-) |
| 23:09.41 | gravity | streuner: Hiya |
| 23:09.54 | gravity | abrotman: Did you get enough sleep last night? :-) |
| 23:10.08 | streuner | gravity: i saw your log, iam sure you do it ;-) |
| 23:10.12 | Piper69 | mutante: hmmmm, because i was watching the active log and i saw the message "Remote" and at the same time i was looking at my tail -f but it didn't show |
| 23:10.20 | gravity | streuner: Huh? |
| 23:10.23 | n3kl | gravity: oh yeah, you guys have a late night together ;) |
| 23:10.28 | abrotman | gravity: let's see .. 1230am to 530am .. not really .. i woke about an hour before my alarm goes off |
| 23:10.30 | streuner | PhD |
| 23:10.45 | gravity | n3kl: Not nearly as fun as one would imagine |
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| 23:10.55 | gravity | abrotman: Ouch. I guess I got a little more than that |
| 23:10.57 | n3kl | gravity: i'm sure. jk |
| 23:11.09 | AvK | cześć wam |
| 23:11.09 | abrotman | gravity: it's okay .. did fine at work .. and went biking again :) |
| 23:11.10 | n3kl | streuner: you have a pHd |
| 23:11.15 | gravity | streuner: Ah, well that's on its way. Soon enough |
| 23:11.18 | abrotman | AvK: english please |
| 23:11.23 | n3kl | abrotman: are you a fitness freak? |
| 23:11.25 | streuner | gravity: sure |
| 23:11.30 | gravity | abrotman: I've been dodging the gym all week because of sleep deprivation. Hopefully next week. |
| 23:11.35 | abrotman | n3kl: i find it relaxing oddly enough |
| 23:11.36 | Piper69 | abrotman: i hate that when it happen woke up earlier than the ALM |
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| 23:11.43 | abrotman | Piper69: happens almost every day for me |
| 23:11.45 | AvK | abrotman, i just thought that this is a polish channel, sorry |
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| 23:11.54 | n3kl | abrotman: what state do you live in? |
| 23:11.55 | streuner | haha |
| 23:11.55 | abrotman | AvK: there is #debian.pl i believe |
| 23:11.59 | gravity | !pl |
| 23:12.00 | dpkg | polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
| 23:12.05 | gravity | Yep, right on the money |
| 23:12.06 | abrotman | n3kl: PA |
| 23:12.10 | n3kl | Ah |
| 23:12.20 | n3kl | Isnt it super hot and muggy out there |
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| 23:12.27 | AvK | abrotman, i know, that was just a mistake |
| 23:12.31 | abrotman | try .. 75F and like .. almost cold ? |
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| 23:12.52 | n3kl | yeah, I am awesome at geography :) |
| 23:12.58 | gravity | abrotman: Most of the Debian folks are going on a 50 mile ride (Hub on Wheels) this weekend |
| 23:13.05 | abrotman | n3kl: FWIW ... i love being outside when it's 95F and 85% humidity :) |
| 23:13.11 | streuner | gravity: what makes you guys involve into IT when study something like biologie? ;-) |
| 23:13.13 | abrotman | gravity: in ... boston :) |
| 23:13.13 | n3kl | gravity: come pick me up |
| 23:13.27 | n3kl | abrotman: yeah, I can't hang |
| 23:13.39 | gravity | streuner: Well, most of them do bioinformatics. I'm weird though and just do normal biology |
| 23:13.42 | n3kl | abrotman: we have like 300 days of sun a year, but it gets coooold here |
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| 23:13.44 | gravity | abrotman: True |
| 23:13.50 | abrotman | n3kl: my brother lives out there |
| 23:13.53 | streuner | gravity: hehe |
| 23:13.54 | gravity | n3kl: I'm not going. I'm one of the weird ones who doesn't bike :-) |
| 23:13.59 | n3kl | abrotman: whereabouts? |
| 23:14.01 | abrotman | gravity: as much as i'd rather be near fenway .. it's a bad winter |
| 23:14.04 | gravity | streuner: I'm looking to do that in the future though |
| 23:14.04 | abrotman | n3kl: antarctica :) |
| 23:14.11 | {uX}l`VampyrCeil | how do i tell debian to use the radeonhd driver instead of fglrx? |
| 23:14.13 | gravity | abrotman: Can't argue with that too much |
| 23:14.25 | n3kl | abrotman: with raytheon? |
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| 23:14.45 | gravity | ceil420: You may have to remove fglrx to make that work properly, but the easiest way is to edit your xorg.conf |
| 23:14.51 | abrotman | n3kl: no idea .. he's normally near denver .. but he's been with some science group in antarctica for almost a year |
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| 23:15.23 | n3kl | Ah |
| 23:15.27 | ceil420 | gravity, there's no command to generate a new xorg.conf? i know i used one when i started using fglrx |
| 23:15.32 | n3kl | I almost did that this year actually |
| 23:15.39 | n3kl | abrotman: how you know where I was anyway |
| 23:15.50 | abrotman | n3kl: you have no hostmask |
| 23:15.54 | abrotman | erm . no cloak |
| 23:16.08 | Piper69 | abrotman: happen to me once, i woke up and i look at my alarm and it was 12:06 , and i went to be around 11:30 i had to use the bathroom, and something didn't add up , while am taking a leak i looked at my wrist watch and there it is 8:00am and i was suppose to be at work at 6:00am. fuc****king electricity went out.:) try that lol |
| 23:16.09 | n3kl | yeah, I don't htink my isp does that |
| 23:16.09 | gravity | ceil420: You can run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg if you want. You'll lose any customizations though |
| 23:16.17 | n3kl | I have the worst isp on the planet |
| 23:16.23 | streuner | nah |
| 23:16.32 | ceil420 | gravity, i don't care if it'll keep X from completely locking up every 20 damn minutes ;x |
| 23:16.36 | n3kl | streuner: you like em? |
| 23:16.38 | abrotman | Piper69: that's happened here .. but i usually wake up with the power goes out .. don't ask .. i'm a *very* light sleeper |
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| 23:16.52 | abrotman | n3kl: the cloak is a freenode thing |
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| 23:17.08 | abrotman | n3kl: like mine or Piper69 have |
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| 23:17.15 | n3kl | abrotman: its like, ahh, there is no buzzing or fans or computers on, better wake up ;) |
| 23:17.32 | n3kl | abrotman: how do I do that? |
| 23:17.32 | streuner | n3kl: many people use that, but nobody is satisfied, but that doesn't mean, they are bad... |
| 23:17.35 | gravity | ceil420: Heh, fair enough. I don't know if fglrx does the same insane things to the X server install that nvidia-glx does. If so then you're going to have to remove fglrx from your system to get things to work properly. |
| 23:17.35 | abrotman | n3kl: no .. i have no electrical devices except the alarm and some lights in my bedroom .. |
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| 23:17.55 | n3kl | abrotman: its prolly better for you sleep |
| 23:17.57 | Piper69 | abrotman: it must you have a light bit will flip from 0 to 1 when the light goes out |
| 23:17.59 | Piper69 | lol |
| 23:18.04 | abrotman | no idea |
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| 23:18.16 | abrotman | could be the zap of the light pole outside .. no idea |
| 23:18.23 | neurodamage | so spamc is giving me resource errors from time to time and it's saying that spamc does not exist though it does and I'm sure of that? |
| 23:18.27 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 23:18.30 | neurodamage | this is with postfix on debian etch |
| 23:18.32 | ceil420 | gravity, just apt-get remove xorg-xserver-fglrx or whatever the package name is? |
| 23:18.38 | neurodamage | with spamassassin spamc postfix installed |
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| 23:19.09 | n3kl | streuner: fair enough. If there were more choices, competition would increase and all would be well. But I only have like two choices where I live |
| 23:19.19 | n3kl | Piper69: how do I get a cloak? |
| 23:19.37 | Piper69 | n3kl: cloak? |
| 23:19.43 | streuner | n3kl: where do youl live? |
| 23:19.53 | gravity | ceil420: Yeah, although it may not be necessary. I don't know. |
| 23:19.56 | ceil420 | gravity, xserver-xorg-video-ati sound right? |
| 23:19.59 | abrotman | n3kl: http://freenode.net tells you how |
| 23:20.10 | ceil420 | hmm |
| 23:20.14 | n3kl | streuner: co |
| 23:20.15 | gravity | ceil420: That's the ati driver, not the radeonhd driver, but both should work on the same hardware |
| 23:20.23 | gravity | Well, for new values of "hardware" |
| 23:20.30 | n3kl | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:20.44 | n3kl | ceil420: don't you already have that installed? |
| 23:20.47 | ceil420 | i don't see 'radeonhd' anywhere in xorg.conf ;x |
| 23:21.01 | Piper69 | n3kl: oh, you willl have to get a hold of irc admin , they are very helpful |
| 23:21.01 | streuner | n3kl: Well, i guess that means colorado |
| 23:21.03 | ceil420 | n3kl, i want to use radeonhd, not fglrx or whatever |
| 23:21.13 | n3kl | streuner: yeah, sorry |
| 23:21.22 | abrotman | n3kl: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks |
| 23:21.24 | n3kl | streuner: you? |
| 23:21.29 | gravity | ceil420: Just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and let it generate a config file |
| 23:21.43 | ceil420 | gravity, it did, but the new xorg.conf doesn't mention radeonhd |
| 23:21.47 | gravity | ceil420: It won't have any driver listed and the server should pick ati or radeonhd (can't remember which) |
| 23:21.53 | gravity | ceil420: It doesn't have to |
| 23:21.54 | ceil420 | and that xserver-xorg thing was mostly concerned with my keyboard... |
| 23:22.07 | ceil420 | gravity, do i still have 3D accel with radeonhd? |
| 23:22.27 | gravity | ceil420: Possibly, although you're more likely to have it with -ati, which should be autoconfiged |
| 23:22.31 | ceil420 | i still wanna play Nexuiz etc |
| 23:22.41 | ceil420 | i just want Debian to stop crashing every 20mins ;x |
| 23:22.43 | Piper69 | abrotman: does this look ok 'tail -f logfile | cgrep +3 -3 "remote" |
| 23:22.44 | gravity | ceil420: 3d accel is going to be tough, to be honest |
| 23:22.54 | gravity | ceil420: You might have to settle for 2D |
| 23:22.55 | abrotman | Piper69: to do what? |
| 23:22.55 | ceil420 | gravity, it was working with fglrx |
| 23:23.07 | gravity | ceil420: If by "working" you mean "Crashing every 20 minutes" then yeah |
| 23:23.13 | n3kl | streuner: where are you? |
| 23:23.28 | ceil420 | gravity, i mean it was working and making Frets on Fire and Nexuiz not lag |
| 23:23.32 | streuner | n3kl: http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&hl=de&geocode=&q=pirmasens&ie=UTF8&ll=49.227912,7.604599&spn=5.884464,18.984375&z=6 |
| 23:23.41 | ceil420 | and i was still crashing with whatever driver Debian uses by default |
| 23:23.41 | gravity | ceil420: fglrx is a different driver than ati or radeonhd. So they have different features. Not all radeon chipsets have 3d accel implemented on the Free drivers just yet |
| 23:23.47 | ceil420 | that's part of why i got fglrx in the first place |
| 23:23.57 | Piper69 | abrotman: list +3 lines and below 3 lines everytime the word "REMOTE" occur |
| 23:23.58 | ceil420 | but it crashed with fglrx too ;x |
| 23:24.07 | abrotman | Piper69: does it work ? |
| 23:24.15 | Piper69 | nope |
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| 23:24.46 | n3kl | streuner: so if I travel to germany this year, can I crash your couch? |
| 23:24.58 | gravity | ceil420: Ok, so then radeonhd may be a win for you. To enable it you need to add a line to the "Device" section of your xorg.conf that says 'Driver "radeonhd"' (without the single quotes surrounding) |
| 23:25.06 | gravity | ceil420: Make sure xserver-xorg-radeonhd is installed |
| 23:25.18 | streuner | n3kl: sure, we'll find a place for you ;-) |
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| 23:25.29 | ceil420 | gravity, you mean xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd, right? |
| 23:25.29 | n3kl | the dungeon, mwhahaha |
| 23:25.33 | bob489 | acpi -t gives me "No support for device type: thermal" |
| 23:25.34 | gravity | ceil420: Right |
| 23:25.44 | bob489 | any ideas? i know it worked under etch |
| 23:25.44 | streuner | n3kl: haha |
| 23:26.09 | ceil420 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.11 | ceil420 | what's that line mean? |
| 23:26.23 | gravity | ceil420: What arch are you running on? |
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| 23:26.27 | ceil420 | (it's in the Device section; i just noticed it while adding yours) |
| 23:26.30 | mutante | n3kl: also http://www.couchsurfing.com/ |
| 23:26.32 | ceil420 | Lenny x86_64 |
| 23:26.40 | gravity | ceil420: Actually, never mind. Comment that UseFBDev line out. That's bad. That's probably causing the crashes |
| 23:26.43 | Piper69 | abrotman: thats why i thought maybe i have something wrong |
| 23:26.52 | ceil420 | gravity, what is it? *comments* |
| 23:27.02 | n3kl | mutante: yeah, but is there a #debian filter on that site? |
| 23:27.02 | abrotman | Piper69: if you just run it on the file .. does it owrk ? |
| 23:27.16 | streuner | n3kl: When and where do you want to go in .de? |
| 23:27.24 | gravity | ceil420: It tells the X server to use the kernel fbdev interface to do its work. This relies on flaky in-kernel video drivers. It's a major problem these days for most users. |
| 23:28.03 | ceil420 | gravity, oh :x |
| 23:28.03 | ceil420 | do i need to ctrl+alt+backspace to restart X now? |
| 23:28.03 | gravity | still has work to do |
| 23:28.03 | gravity | ceil420: Yea |
| 23:28.03 | Piper69 | abrotman: what do you mean |
| 23:28.03 | gravity | yeah even |
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| 23:28.03 | n3kl | stew: Perhaps December this year, or if that does not work out, some time in 2009, when my german gets better. Dunno where, whereever I can get a feel for germany I guess |
| 23:28.07 | ceil420 | i hope this works, cos my OpenArena download is getting interrupted for the third time (twice by crashes ;x) |
| 23:28.12 | abrotman | Piper69: cgrep +3 -3 "remote" /var/log/logfile |
| 23:28.13 | ceil420 | gravity, many thanks o/ |
| 23:28.31 | gravity | ceil420: Hopefully it'll work for you. If not, you may have to wait for driver updates from unstable |
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| 23:28.34 | gravity | damn |
| 23:28.36 | n3kl | streuner: er, ^^ |
| 23:28.36 | Piper69 | abrotman: no i didn't try that |
| 23:28.40 | n3kl | sorry stew |
| 23:28.41 | mutante | n3kl: googling Debian + hospitalityclub.org gives some results ;) |
| 23:29.02 | streuner | n3kl: thats fine, almost everybody in .de speaks english, so no problem... |
| 23:29.36 | n3kl | streuner: I was in munchen a few years ago for a day |
| 23:29.39 | Piper69 | abrotman: i will have to try it whn i go back to work |
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| 23:30.01 | gravity | still has work to do on the autoconfig script apparently |
| 23:30.11 | Piper69 | in 5 hrs |
| 23:30.13 | gravity | You know... after I find a job and graduate and shit |
| 23:30.30 | thechef | I have the impression that commercial software is more likely to be available in a comfortable format such as rpm or deb. E.g. I can install google chrome (which is windows software originally) via crossover chromium as well as virtual box as a debian package easier than the newest version of VLC. Why is that? |
| 23:31.00 | abrotman | Piper69: you could try it at home ? |
| 23:31.00 | n3kl | gravity: how do you buy rammen without a job? |
| 23:31.18 | dmoerner | thechef: what is your question exactly? vlc has nightly debs i think. |
| 23:31.22 | streuner | n3kl: i was a few years ago in .fr, and i don't speak any french, but it was ok ;-) |
| 23:31.37 | gravity | n3kl: I'm employed now which keeps me nice 'n noodly, but it also keeps me from working on Debian for a while |
| 23:31.37 | mutante | thechef: usually the commercial software is just .rpm, and then i try converting it to .deb with alien, sometimes it even works :p |
| 23:31.51 | Piper69 | abrotman: well at home i have my sweet debian, but at work i have solaris sun 5.9 |
| 23:32.05 | thechef | dmoerner: I need a debian package of the current release - for a release version of debian (etch in that case) |
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| 23:32.16 | abrotman | Piper69: i can't recall how the grep in solaris works .. it may not even be gnu grep |
| 23:32.17 | n3kl | streuner: yeah, I have been doing the "learn in your car" cds for german, and I have been trying to find some good software to teach too, but haven't found any yet |
| 23:32.30 | n3kl | gravity: you a dev? |
| 23:32.30 | dudeman | good eveing |
| 23:32.38 | n3kl | dudeman! |
| 23:32.38 | dudeman | whats going on in the world of #debian |
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| 23:32.42 | abrotman | Piper69: maybe ask #solaris |
| 23:32.44 | streuner | n3kl: best thing to learn another language is a gf ;-) |
| 23:33.07 | dudeman | I hope you don't mean programming language |
| 23:33.14 | n3kl | streuner: haha yeah, but I already have one of those. Not sure if she'd be in for a second :0 |
| 23:33.16 | mutante | n3kl: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:German_language |
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| 23:33.27 | thechef | mutante: commercial software like zattoo, virtualbox and chrome is available as debian package - and alien is quite dependable (otherwise debian couldn't be LSB compliant i guess) |
| 23:33.29 | streuner | n3kl: hehe :-) |
| 23:33.32 | dudeman | gravity, I hear that |
| 23:33.39 | beardy | Engage in a gf exchange with .de. |
| 23:33.45 | n3kl | mutante: oh nice |
| 23:33.48 | dudeman | gravity, I've not worked on the debian installer in like... uhm.. a few weeks actually |
| 23:33.52 | dudeman | (localization) |
| 23:33.54 | gravity | n3kl: Yes |
| 23:34.06 | dudeman | evern since I started this web development stuff. |
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| 23:34.24 | gravity | dudeman: It's been years for me, although the work I did on d-i led to the work I've done since |
| 23:34.32 | dudeman | word |
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| 23:34.52 | mutante | Germans dont date like in the US , though :p |
| 23:35.03 | dudeman | mutante, #debian-offtopic |
| 23:35.06 | avu | mutante, we don't? |
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| 23:35.20 | n3kl | gravity: what do you do for debian. I have been looking at lots of the qa stuff cause I am not a programmer. If I have to compile it, I'd rather be fishin or something |
| 23:35.21 | beardy | Holy shit. |
| 23:35.28 | dudeman | beardy, thats right. |
| 23:35.32 | ceil420 | gravity: i'm getting (EE) No devices detected. when i try to startx now ;x |
| 23:35.34 | n3kl | beardy: jesus turds |
| 23:36.04 | streuner | ceil420: is the videocard supported at all? |
| 23:36.42 | dudeman | ceil420, install pciutils; lspci |grep VGA |
| 23:36.43 | n3kl | alright, its beer:30. Seeya |
| 23:37.06 | dudeman | ceil420, tell us which video card you have? |
| 23:37.36 | lunk | are there any better performing browsers than icecraple for etch? |
| 23:37.48 | streuner | no |
| 23:37.55 | gravity | Damn it |
| 23:37.56 | dudeman | epiphany, konqueror, dillo, links2 -g |
| 23:37.59 | streuner | use telnet instaed :-P |
| 23:38.00 | torrr | what do I need to make a bootable raid 5 out of 3 disks that I have? |
| 23:38.02 | gravity | n3kl: I work on X |
| 23:38.12 | gravity | n3kl: And a few other small packages for fun |
| 23:38.15 | streuner | he surely knew |
| 23:38.38 | lunk | streuner: its just so silly that iceweasel is such a pile |
| 23:38.42 | dudeman | the debian X strikeforce! |
| 23:38.45 | dudeman | dun dun dun! |
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| 23:38.54 | gravity | n3kl: qa stuff is useful, although it usually requires a lot of programming |
| 23:38.57 | streuner | lunk: we know, modern browsers just sucks |
| 23:39.10 | Piper69 | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:39.11 | dudeman | streuner, feeding the trolls tonight I see. |
| 23:39.35 | abrotman | torrr: a raid controller ? |
| 23:40.14 | torrr | abrotman, no |
| 23:40.18 | torrr | abrotman, fakerade |
| 23:40.44 | abrotman | do you want everything on raid5 ? |
| 23:40.46 | streuner | dudeman: a troll aim to make trouble into a group :-P |
| 23:40.46 | abrotman | and is it etch ? |
| 23:41.04 | streuner | but in this case? ;-) |
| 23:41.15 | torrr | abrotman, yes |
| 23:41.34 | streuner | we are one in that issue :-P |
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| 23:41.38 | abrotman | torrr: i think you can boot swraid5 with lilo .. check the swraid howto |
| 23:42.21 | beardy | Great move to want to remove lilo then. |
| 23:42.21 | streuner | no |
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| 23:42.28 | ceil420 | ... |
| 23:42.45 | torrr | ok |
| 23:42.49 | gravity | ceil420: Did you check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 23:43.11 | abrotman | torrr: i believe if you setup SW raid5 in the installer .. it will only let oyu choose lilo |
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| 23:43.41 | ceil420 | gravity: what am i looking for in that log? |
| 23:43.42 | torrr | abrotman, I have a system that I want to move with dd to the raid array |
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| 23:43.56 | torrr | (no reinstall please :) |
| 23:44.25 | ceil420 | (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:050 |
| 23:44.43 | ceil420 | (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device |
| 23:44.52 | ceil420 | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 23:46.01 | datacrusher | where can i easily host an image? like pastebin for images |
| 23:46.16 | streuner | imageshack.us |
| 23:46.18 | gravity | ceil420: Could you put the log in a pastebin somewhere that I could take a look at it? |
| 23:46.33 | p1ngp0ng | streuner: he said easily :P |
| 23:46.34 | ceil420 | gravity: i don't know how to without X :( |
| 23:46.53 | avu | picpaste.com |
| 23:47.07 | gravity | ceil420: Disable the line specifying radeonhd and let it come up with ati and hope you can pastebin it before X crashes on you |
| 23:47.07 | streuner | p1ngp0ng: works most of the time here... |
| 23:47.12 | ceil420 | hold on, i'm gonna try restoring xorg.conf.original-0 and just adding the driver radeonhd line to that |
| 23:48.00 | abrotman | torrr: time to start reading |
| 23:48.13 | torrr | yea |
| 23:48.36 | torrr | I guess I will make the raid 5 then dd to it and then figure out how to boot from it |
| 23:48.58 | p1ngp0ng | i know of a great site to uplad shit, no adds no nothing and its free. but im affraid if i post the link, they will get to much traffic :P |
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| 23:50.38 | p1ngp0ng | how do i change window mangagers in etch? eg. i want to switch from xfce to gnome |
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| 23:51.13 | streuner | datacrusher: how about to install apache2 and just put them into /var/www/ ? |
| 23:51.18 | craigevil | install gnome if you dont already have it and choose it at the login screen |
| 23:51.32 | {uX}l`VampyrCeil | ffs when i do get X started, i can't get back to tty1 |
| 23:51.34 | {uX}l`VampyrCeil | ;x |
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| 23:51.43 | p1ngp0ng | craigevil: i dont have a login window |
| 23:51.45 | ceil421 | gravity, http://rafb.net/p/BOPrYo69.html |
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| 23:51.52 | p1ngp0ng | craigevil: you mean gdm? |
| 23:52.00 | craigevil | you dont use gdm/kdm ? |
| 23:52.04 | p1ngp0ng | nope |
| 23:52.33 | beardy | !default wm |
| 23:52.33 | dpkg | default window manager is probably to change the default window manager, do update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 23:53.05 | beardy | No wondder, with that fucking nick. |
| 23:53.06 | p1ngp0ng | :) |
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| 23:53.24 | p1ngp0ng | beardy: uhm |
| 23:53.44 | ceil421 | gravity, that's with this xorg.conf; the only line different from default is the radeonhd one http://rafb.net/p/hagU4l25.html |
| 23:53.46 | beardy | p1ngp0ng: ceil421's previous one. |
| 23:53.56 | p1ngp0ng | oh |
| 23:54.21 | gravity | ceil421: What kind of radeon do you have? |
| 23:54.25 | chrome | yaaar! It be talk like a pirate day! |
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| 23:54.44 | p1ngp0ng | harrr, i be loaded to the gunnels |
| 23:54.47 | ceil421 | beardy, my main network is a gaming one; i have xchat set to do /nick ceil420 when i connect here. that name was taken, so it didn't change |
| 23:54.47 | beardy | Says who? |
| 23:54.53 | ceil421 | gravity, integrated HD 3200 |
| 23:55.17 | simonrvn | no, it's mcgill powwow day |
| 23:55.26 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:55.34 | gravity | ceil421: If you look at your logfile, you'll see the list of chips radeonhd supports. I don't see HD 3200 on that list. |
| 23:55.57 | gravity | ceil421: Looks like you're stuck with either ati or fglrx. Let me see if there's an easy hint to fix the stability of -ati though... |
| 23:56.45 | ceil421 | gravity, bah, someone told me i should use the radeonhd driver :x |
| 23:56.52 | ceil421 | prolly just cos 'HD' is in the card name |
| 23:57.11 | simonrvn | probably ... |
| 23:57.12 | ceil421 | gravity, there's a radeon driver without 'hd' isn't there? does it do 3D? :x |
| 23:57.30 | simonrvn | yes. yes. it's a subset of ati. |
| 23:57.48 | gravity | ceil421: Well, it supports certain chipsets. The chipsets don't always correspond to the brand name of the card |
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| 23:58.17 | gravity | ceil421: -ati does do 3d, I don't know for your card though. It might. It's the default one in Debian though. |
| 23:58.21 | simonrvn | 's radeon 9k works with 3d fine with that driver |
| 23:58.37 | simonrvn | man radeon |
| 23:58.44 | ceil421 | gravity, i know it does 3D, because Nexuiz was smooth as silk with it earlier :x |
| 23:58.55 | gravity | ceil421: All right then |
| 23:58.57 | ceil421 | i'm just trying to find out how to get 3D without crashes |
| 23:59.10 | streuner | without crashes? |
| 23:59.15 | e1th0r | ./seen tille |
| 23:59.20 | gravity | ceil421: Yeah, that's tougher. I don't have an easy answer. You can play with your DRI config, or your graphics options in the game |
| 23:59.24 | simonrvn | don't have as many vt switching issues anymore. seems to happen when x's screen is changing, with randD[D[D[Dr |
| 23:59.27 | ceil421 | streuner, Debian's crashing a lot |
| 23:59.35 | gravity | ceil421: You may just have to wait it out and/or do some debugging yourself I'm afraid :-\ |
| 23:59.37 | ceil421 | gravity, game's not related. it just crashes out of nowhere sometimes |
| 23:59.41 | streuner | are you using sid? |
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| 23:59.45 | ceil421 | streuner, Lenny |
| 23:59.48 | datacrusher | [streuner]: apache instead of firebird? |
| 23:59.56 | streuner | ceil420: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 23:59.59 | gravity | sid should be stable at this point. They're holding things in experimental for the release |
