| 00:00.09 | simonrvn | datacrusher: wot? |
| 00:00.10 | gravity | I'm out of touch, but I do know that :-) |
| 00:00.13 | streuner | datacrusher: sure, apache |
| 00:00.27 | ceil421 | for a while i thought it was trying to suspend and crashing, cos it'd only do it when i was afk for 20mins or so |
| 00:00.29 | streuner | simonrvn: he want just host a picture... |
| 00:00.36 | ceil421 | then it started crashing even when i was trying to do stuff ;x |
| 00:00.45 | simonrvn | ah |
| 00:01.08 | simonrvn | lighttpd even |
| 00:01.47 | streuner | datacrusher: you can just use any apache or whatever and use dyndns provider |
| 00:02.08 | gravity | ceil421: If you want to file a bug and help maybe get the issue fixed, you should read this: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/XserverDebugging |
| 00:02.17 | datacrusher | hm.. |
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| 00:02.40 | datacrusher | im lost. isnt the fdb files exclusive to firebird? |
| 00:02.46 | ceil421 | <gravity> ceil421: Looks like you're stuck with either ati or fglrx. Let me see if there's an easy hint to fix the stability of -ati though... |
| 00:02.50 | ceil421 | so i take it there wasn't? :x |
| 00:02.50 | streuner | datacrusher: if you have static IP, its just enough to use the IP |
| 00:02.55 | gravity | ceil421: Yeah, I'm still looking |
| 00:03.05 | gravity | ceil421: But filing a bug may be your best bet I'm afraid. |
| 00:03.13 | ceil421 | reads the sid faq and the xorg server thing in the meantime |
| 00:03.16 | gravity | ceil421: Brice is way more on top of -ati than I ever was |
| 00:03.16 | ceil421 | thanks :x |
| 00:03.22 | gravity | Sorry |
| 00:03.29 | ceil421 | t's the thought that counts |
| 00:03.34 | datacrusher | theyr static |
| 00:03.40 | streuner | good |
| 00:03.42 | gravity | These are tough problems, and hard to really fix without a lot of work |
| 00:03.57 | gravity | wishes he could make that easier, but hasn't found a good way |
| 00:04.03 | gravity | Anyway... back to job aps |
| 00:04.05 | gravity | apps even |
| 00:04.07 | streuner | but, any dynamic IP provider gives you more possibilites |
| 00:04.17 | ceil421 | good luck |
| 00:04.55 | streuner | ceil420: notebook? |
| 00:05.04 | ceil421 | ? |
| 00:05.18 | streuner | is that a notebook what you using? |
| 00:05.23 | ceil421 | oh, no, desktop |
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| 00:05.42 | ceil421 | the HD3200 is the integrated graphics on my ASUS M3A78 PRO mobo |
| 00:05.49 | streuner | why not just sell the videocard and buy another videocard what is good supported? |
| 00:05.52 | ceil421 | i'll get a 3870 or something later |
| 00:06.03 | ceil421 | because the videocard is soldered to my motherboard :p |
| 00:06.06 | streuner | hm |
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| 00:06.22 | ceil421 | when i can afford a 3870 and still have a coupla hundred in the bank, i'll get it |
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| 00:06.49 | ceil421 | (or when newegg finally puts it in a newsletter deal for a good discount) |
| 00:06.58 | streuner | clever people just look for supported devices and buy them then... |
| 00:07.00 | ceil421 | til then, i'm stuck with this integrated pos :x |
| 00:07.37 | ceil421 | ATi has official drivers all the way up to 4800 series |
| 00:08.02 | ceil421 | (which is their current top of the line) |
| 00:08.09 | dudeman | I won't buy another video card until my favorite game comes out, AND radeonhd is mature/stable AND with 3D accell in testing at leat if not stable. |
| 00:08.28 | ceil421 | what's your favourite game? |
| 00:08.34 | dudeman | Elder Scrolls |
| 00:08.36 | samantha-b- | DNF no doubt |
| 00:08.43 | ceil421 | sounds D&Dish |
| 00:08.57 | dudeman | #videogames |
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| 00:09.41 | dudeman | radeonhd is not mature enough yet... and has not even trickled down to sid with 3D accel |
| 00:10.18 | ceil421 | i was hoping ATi's driver would start getting good, seein' as they've gone Tux-friendly 'n' all |
| 00:10.24 | dudeman | hopefully soon... I'm sick of fglrx and its insane crappiness. |
| 00:12.28 | gravity | It's improving. Work is ongoing. |
| 00:12.42 | gravity | The docs are still fairly new, and there's not really that many people working on the drivers. |
| 00:13.03 | dudeman | I downloaded the source and tried to look at it |
| 00:13.07 | simonrvn | that'll improve with time |
| 00:13.08 | ceil421 | they should have a team of dedicated driver writers for fglrx ;x |
| 00:13.12 | dudeman | driver code gives me headaches |
| 00:13.34 | ceil421 | i'd offer my services gratis if i were awesome with C :x |
| 00:13.36 | gravity | The radeonhd driver is quite clean. -ati... less so, but one can muddle through it |
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| 00:13.51 | dudeman | radeon is indeed a mess |
| 00:13.53 | gravity | I think -ati was getting cleaned out a little while back though |
| 00:14.05 | gravity | But yeah, radeon is probably going to stay a mess for the forseeable future |
| 00:14.05 | ceil421 | gravity, and radeonhd driver does seem to support the card i want, too :) |
| 00:14.21 | gravity | ceil421: Oh? I wonder why it didn't work then... |
| 00:14.26 | ceil421 | want, not have |
| 00:14.30 | gravity | ceil421: You may want to ask in #radeonhd actually |
| 00:14.35 | ceil421 | i /want/ and HD 3870 |
| 00:14.36 | gravity | Assuming the chan is still there |
| 00:14.39 | gravity | Ah |
| 00:14.39 | dudeman | it is. |
| 00:14.40 | ceil421 | -d |
| 00:14.41 | gravity | Got it |
| 00:14.47 | dudeman | #radeon and #radeonhd |
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| 00:15.09 | dudeman | though, radeon supports r5x and r6x chipsets as well as older ones |
| 00:15.10 | gravity | Well, my guess is that Debian will stick with ati as the default in the forseeable future, but we'll keep providing radeonhd |
| 00:15.26 | dudeman | gravity, it works well enough out of git |
| 00:15.28 | ceil421 | well, i really want a 3870 X2 or a 48X0, whichever i can get cheaper at what ever time i go to buy |
| 00:15.34 | ceil421 | radeonhd doesn't support the latter, though |
| 00:15.50 | dudeman | gravity, a bit unstable under 3D, but good enough for everyday use |
| 00:16.29 | gravity | dudeman: Which? |
| 00:16.34 | dudeman | rhd |
| 00:16.48 | gravity | dudeman: Yeah, it's a fine driver. I've no real qualms about it |
| 00:17.04 | dudeman | gravity, who packages the xorg drivers? |
| 00:17.05 | ceil421 | wish my HD3200 agreed :x |
| 00:17.14 | dudeman | gravity, are you to blame? |
| 00:17.16 | dudeman | ;) |
| 00:17.31 | dudeman | gravity, hook us with up a latest gitted package eh? |
| 00:17.48 | streuner | sure, its all his fault :-P |
| 00:18.02 | dudeman | heh. I might throw the packages in experimental here this weekend |
| 00:18.12 | streuner | good luck! |
| 00:18.18 | dudeman | eh why not |
| 00:18.24 | dudeman | it builds fine here on my machine.. |
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| 00:18.44 | simonrvn | the xorg stuff in exp. usually works for me |
| 00:18.50 | dudeman | usually |
| 00:18.57 | simonrvn | i try it out now and then |
| 00:19.07 | dudeman | simonrvn, ! :) |
| 00:19.20 | simonrvn | what? |
| 00:19.31 | dudeman | simonrvn, thanks for confirming my requst |
| 00:19.35 | dudeman | request* |
| 00:19.43 | simonrvn | np |
| 00:20.40 | streuner | <ds |
| 00:20.45 | streuner | are you drunk? |
| 00:20.58 | dudeman | ? |
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| 00:22.15 | gravity | dudeman: The whole team does really, although it's mainly Brice and Julien lately. Once I return in full I'll be back to it as well |
| 00:22.21 | streuner | well, attacking one of the most best DD's isn't a good idea... |
| 00:22.27 | gravity | dudeman: They may have a package ready. You can easily build your own git pull though |
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| 00:23.04 | gravity | dudeman: Although... if you're talking about throwing a git build of a driver in to experimental... don't. That's a hijack. |
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| 00:23.23 | gravity | dudeman: Hijacking a package from the XSF would be... bad... for you |
| 00:23.26 | abrotman | which DD would upload that |
| 00:23.42 | streuner | nobody |
| 00:23.56 | gravity | abrotman: I could imagine it happening. There's people who aren't paying much attention |
| 00:24.12 | PeterFA | Is Midori in Lenny? |
| 00:24.37 | PeterFA | I already did apt-cache search on it, but this guy says it's in Etch for sure. |
| 00:24.42 | dFence | hey guys... i'm afraid this pc i'm working on is fucked beyond salvation... since it's an office pc i need to fix it fast -- how much diagnosis can i do with a usb-stick running the debian installer? (i need to find out which part of the hw is failing..) |
| 00:24.44 | abrotman | gravity: oh come on .. they can't be a DD and be that dumb |
| 00:25.06 | streuner | PeterFA: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:25.33 | craigevil | PeterFA: didnt say it was in Etch, just said i know its in sid, i only have sid on my desktops, lenny is on my eeepc |
| 00:25.46 | ceil421 | wasn't knoppix designed to debug hardware issues? |
| 00:25.56 | streuner | crap |
| 00:26.03 | PeterFA | craigevil, hrm, I confused myself a bit then. |
| 00:26.09 | gravity | abrotman: I hope you're right |
| 00:26.11 | PeterFA | Mind is kind of preoccupied, heh. |
| 00:26.16 | gravity | abrotman: XSF stuff is pretty high profile |
| 00:26.19 | dFence | ceil421: i was hoping i wouldn't have to dload the whole image over this line (3mbit) |
| 00:26.27 | dmoerner | dFence: it has a busybox /bin/ash shell |
| 00:26.38 | dFence | dmoerner: wohoo i can do ls!!! |
| 00:26.40 | dFence | ;D |
| 00:26.52 | dmoerner | or even echo * if you want to use a builtin :) |
| 00:27.06 | dFence | echo is for scriptkiddies!!! |
| 00:27.07 | dFence | ;D |
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| 00:28.02 | dFence | i -- don't -- get it!! nothing's working - it's like it's all collapsing |
| 00:28.14 | streuner | gravity: everytime the same, you join here, and you have lots of issues :-) |
| 00:28.32 | PeterFA | Ok, what's the latest release that's not experimental? |
| 00:28.52 | streuner | asking himself, when he get easy questions here :-) |
| 00:29.40 | streuner | It seems there is one fucking videocard which isn't supported at all for HIM :-P |
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| 00:31.18 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 00:31.32 | streuner | PeterFA: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 00:31.56 | ribnitz | Is there a tool (in debian) that can mass-rename files and directories, ig converting _20 into a space? |
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| 00:32.05 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: rename |
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| 00:32.54 | ribnitz | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
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| 00:33.31 | ribnitz | dondelelcaro: do underscores need escaping in perl? |
| 00:34.30 | gravity | streuner: Well, someone's got to answer X questions. It may as well be me :-) |
| 00:34.59 | abrotman | gravity: we could make ribnitz do it! |
| 00:35.03 | ribnitz | I do have file/dir names that contain (possibly) multiple _20 which I would like to replace with spaces, what would the regexp be? s/*[\_20]*/* */? |
| 00:35.16 | PeterFA | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=155873 <-- hahaha. |
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| 00:35.39 | streuner | !dbugs 155873 |
| 00:35.43 | dpkg | DONE:#155873:N[lg-all] Dangerious Error in lg-all Package (); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 05:48:05 UTC [] |
| 00:35.56 | abrotman | streuner: it was the one that deleted all your stuff |
| 00:36.26 | gravity | heh |
| 00:37.31 | n3kl | gravity: so what can I do to help debian that is not programming related? I can bash script and do some perl |
| 00:37.32 | PeterFA | streuner, sorry to have laughed at your misery, but that was definitely funny. |
| 00:38.06 | Seb | what's the right way of telling my debian laptop i'd like to use uswsusp for all the suspend/hibernate stuff ? |
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| 00:38.29 | n3kl | dFence: have you tried billix? |
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| 00:39.30 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: just rename 's/_20/ /;' foofiles; |
| 00:40.02 | ribnitz | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 00:53.17 | gravity | n3kl: Documentation, bug triage, user support, artwork, translation, help out with SPI |
| 00:53.20 | ribnitz | dondelelcaro: your expession only captuires the first occurrence. |
| 00:53.23 | gravity | n3kl: There's tons to be done |
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| 00:56.52 | neurodamage | how do I configure what services starts up on boot? |
| 00:56.57 | neurodamage | via init.d? |
| 00:57.06 | gravity | rc.FOO |
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| 00:57.25 | gravity | er, rcX.d |
| 00:57.37 | Hinata` | Hi, in tty I get the last line (in the bottom of the screen) that isn't in my screen is there something to do? |
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| 00:59.06 | torrr | is it possible to boot from software raid 5? |
| 00:59.58 | beardy | !update-init.d |
| 01:00.10 | beardy | Can't remember, fucked up.. |
| 01:00.12 | beardy | !rcconf |
| 01:00.12 | dpkg | rcconf is probably a frontend to update-rc.d, or check out <sysv-rc-conf> - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
| 01:00.17 | beardy | Ah. |
| 01:00.42 | beardy | !update-rc.d |
| 01:00.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf NOT a tool that should be used by users, see the manpage. |
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| 01:04.05 | p1ngp0ng | !compiz |
| 01:04.05 | dpkg | it has been said that compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/, #compiz @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 01:05.00 | Hinata` | en tty il y a un un fichier texte qui dis le nombre de ligne que les tty doivent avoir? |
| 01:05.05 | Hinata` | woops |
| 01:05.09 | Hinata` | sry ^^' |
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| 01:05.21 | ripken204 | i cant seem to update my GTK+ library, what are the steps that i have to run to install it |
| 01:05.28 | ripken204 | >i configure it, but make doesntwork |
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| 01:08.31 | preaction | I'm running Debian Etch with kernel 2.6.18-6-686. I have two ethernet cards in my system, but neither show up in /dev. dmesg says they're being recognized, and even shows "eth0" and "eth1", but the /dev nodes don't exist. anything i can do to figure this out? |
| 01:08.31 | abrotman | ripken204: why are you trying? |
| 01:08.46 | abrotman | preaction: network cards don't show up in /dev/ |
| 01:09.05 | ripken204 | i am just trying to update my GTK library |
| 01:09.14 | abrotman | preaction: network cards don't show up in /dev/ |
| 01:09.15 | abrotman | ripken204: why are you trying? |
| 01:09.32 | ripken204 | b/c im trying to install firefox and it tells me that i need a newer version of GTK |
| 01:09.37 | abrotman | don't do that |
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| 01:10.29 | preaction | abrotman, okay, then when i run ifup eth0 (the id shown in dmesg), it says "No such device". where are network cards? in some /sys node? |
| 01:10.48 | abrotman | preaction: dmesg | grep eth |
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| 01:11.40 | ripken204 | why shouldnt i do that |
| 01:11.54 | preaction | abrotman, you want the output, or is there something i can look for? there are four lines, two beginning "eth0" and two beginning "eth1" |
| 01:12.08 | abrotman | ripken204: you're messing with a core library |
| 01:12.16 | abrotman | preaction: so they exist |
| 01:12.39 | preaction | abrotman, okay, but where? |
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| 01:12.56 | preaction | or how can i configure them? |
| 01:13.03 | ripken204 | so i cant get FF then? |
| 01:13.32 | abrotman | ripken204: you ahve firefox on your system already |
| 01:13.46 | abrotman | ripken204: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 01:13.54 | abrotman | preaction: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 01:16.58 | Bupropion_user | this is weird... the linux-image-2.6.18-5-486 pkg contains a driver for my soundcard (cs46xx) but the driver isn't present in the linux-image-2.6.26-1-486 pkg. So what would my available options be to get sound working? |
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| 01:17.58 | preaction | abrotman, i configured both eth0 and eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces. neither come up when i do ifup -a. ifup eth0 says "No such device", same with "ifup eth1". dmesg says they exist, but ifup / ifcontrol is not able to reach them |
| 01:18.10 | abrotman | what does dmesg say about them ? |
| 01:18.29 | abrotman | Bupropion_user: is it really a 486? |
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| 01:18.50 | Bupropion_user | abrotman, no that's just the package name |
| 01:19.00 | Bupropion_user | the computer here is a 686 |
| 01:19.02 | abrotman | Bupropion_user: you could get a "better" kernel for your CPU |
| 01:19.05 | abrotman | anyways .. |
| 01:19.10 | abrotman | maybe a new driver for your sound card |
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| 01:21.22 | preaction | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/m6d02b5db <- dmesg lines for "eth" |
| 01:21.29 | AbortRetryFail | heh |
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| 01:21.35 | jetscreamer | allow-hotplug sux |
| 01:21.40 | jetscreamer | auto eth0 rox |
| 01:21.55 | preaction | later down is the "8139cp" line for the POS RealTek 8139 |
| 01:21.57 | abrotman | preaction: and your interfaces file configures the eth0 and eth1 ? |
| 01:22.15 | preaction | first it configured eth0, when that didn't work i changed it to eth1 |
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| 01:24.06 | abrotman | you could uh .. try to configure them both ? |
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| 01:27.09 | preaction | abrotman, my /etc/network/interfaces and the result from ifup -a: http://pastebin.com/m560fb661 |
| 01:27.42 | LSAd | esta away: Gone away for now. |
| 01:27.57 | jetscreamer | hey so does 'anybody' know which is the best most kickass laptop that all features are fully supported by debian? |
| 01:28.11 | jetscreamer | !tell KeepOff_ -about away |
| 01:28.13 | abrotman | !tell KeepOff_ about away |
| 01:28.19 | jetscreamer | :p |
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| 01:28.50 | jetscreamer | !tell KeepOff_ -about es |
| 01:28.57 | abrotman | preaction: lsmod | grep 8139 .. see anything? |
| 01:28.58 | jetscreamer | wtf ;) |
| 01:29.10 | abrotman | preaction: this is a debian kernel right ? |
| 01:29.40 | jetscreamer | is this oss vs alsa in the respective kernels? |
| 01:29.40 | preaction | abrotman, yes. looks like both the 8139cp and 8139too modules are loaded... stupid kernel... |
| 01:30.03 | jetscreamer | stupid hotplug you mean |
| 01:30.12 | jetscreamer | !blame hotplug & udev |
| 01:30.12 | dpkg | blames Seb and hotplug & udev for the end of the world as we know it |
| 01:30.42 | jetscreamer | !blacklist |
| 01:30.42 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 01:31.35 | bergwolf | Hi, anybody knows where to find iceweasel error log? I can't start it ever since installing lenny |
| 01:31.48 | jetscreamer | /var/log probably? |
| 01:31.51 | jetscreamer | or did you try there |
| 01:31.52 | daniiel | try starting it from the command line |
| 01:32.00 | jetscreamer | ahh good idea |
| 01:32.00 | daniiel | see what you get |
| 01:32.08 | jetscreamer | in an xterm him say |
| 01:32.23 | bergwolf | start iceweasel from command line, nothing happens |
| 01:32.29 | preaction | abrotman, so after i remove the 8139cp and modprobe 8139too, do i have to do something before ifup -a will work? modprobe 8139cp said that was the wrong driver, so now only 8139too is loaded |
| 01:32.42 | preaction | right now still telling me No such device |
| 01:32.47 | jetscreamer | maybe there's an iceweasel --verbose-log or something |
| 01:33.08 | jetscreamer | you could try aptitude reinstall just to see |
| 01:33.26 | jetscreamer | (see if reinstalling works i mean) |
| 01:34.22 | bergwolf | iceweasel --help says i can use -jsconsole to open the error console, but that turns out nothing either... |
| 01:34.41 | jetscreamer | blacklist the 8139 cp- (and in the initramfs) |
| 01:34.43 | bergwolf | I reinstall it twice but still can't open it |
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| 01:36.16 | jetscreamer | bergwolf: i'd try moving my ~/.mozilla or .iceweasel or whatever it is, see if that helps, then if it didn't i'd try apt-get remove --purge iceweasel, then reinstall... but i'm dumb like that |
| 01:36.43 | abrotman | preaction: anything new in dmesg ? |
| 01:36.49 | daniiel | did you do anything before it stopped working? |
| 01:37.17 | bergwolf | jetscreamer, I'll try that right away |
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| 01:38.47 | preaction | abrotman, not yet. restarting after update-initramfs. hoping to keep 8139too out of there this time |
| 01:40.00 | jetscreamer | !scyld |
| 01:40.00 | dpkg | from memory, scyld is see http://scyld.com/network.html for current NIC drivers for VIA Rhine, Tulip, NE2000, RealTek rtl8139, 3Com Vortex, etc, etc... If you have problems getting your NIC to work under Linux this would probably be one of the first places to check out (the latest versions of these drivers are often _not_ found in the latest Linux kernels)!, for build/usage instructions also see "building scyld". see "using scyld". |
| 01:40.01 | bergwolf | jetscreamer, a ha, it works. I removed ~/.mozilla and reinstalled iceweasel. now it works. Thank you for helping this out |
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| 01:40.20 | jetscreamer | np bergwolf |
| 01:40.47 | jetscreamer | probably it was just the ~/.mozilla |
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| 01:42.23 | preaction | abrotman, nothing new. i'm going to go scrape up another network card... one that worked with this debian before |
| 01:42.23 | abrotman | or just try the viarhine ? |
| 01:42.35 | abrotman | preaction: this is a debian kernle right ? |
| 01:42.41 | preaction | yes, came with etch |
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| 01:42.58 | preaction | the via_rhine module was loaded, but it also gave the No such device error |
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| 01:43.23 | jetscreamer | heh... what happened to scyld? |
| 01:43.51 | jetscreamer | that was a damn useful place |
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| 01:44.30 | preaction | consequently, is there a network card manufacturer that has good support with linux? i used to buy RealTek exclusively, but they are 100% garbage |
| 01:44.42 | preaction | this D-Link i just put in works fine... |
| 01:45.06 | abrotman | i've had good luck with the FA311s we have sitting around |
| 01:45.23 | abrotman | better than the stack of tulip cards that stopped working correctly in 2.6.x |
| 01:45.46 | jetscreamer | all my rtl ones (the 10/100's) have always worked flawlessly... never tried the gigait rtl's |
| 01:45.56 | jetscreamer | gigabit |
| 01:46.42 | jetscreamer | i have an ISA fa-something :) |
| 01:47.01 | jetscreamer | 201 i 'think' ... i saw it in a box in the garage the other day |
| 01:47.05 | preaction | until i tried using OpenBSD, i could say the same, then i researched why and found out that they're pretty much garbage :( |
| 01:47.11 | preaction | (about realtek i mean) |
| 01:47.24 | jetscreamer | yeah they're consumer class for sure |
| 01:47.31 | jetscreamer | (iirc i read something) |
| 01:47.41 | zinx | preaction: don't get a MCP55 motherboard's built-in nics if you think Realtek's bad :P.. |
| 01:48.05 | zinx | i think my server has a built-in realtek gigabit one.. works fine |
| 01:49.12 | preaction | iirc its that multiple different chipsets are called "8139", so it's very difficult to write a driver that can handle them all without actual hardware docs, which would explain why yours all work, and other 8139s i have work, but this one doesn't |
| 01:49.59 | jetscreamer | it was fa-101 or 201 |
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| 01:50.23 | jetscreamer | there is a 3'rd 8139 driver also |
| 01:50.29 | jetscreamer | i forget it's name |
| 01:50.37 | jetscreamer | 8139 something |
| 01:50.47 | jetscreamer | not the cp or the too |
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| 01:51.52 | preaction | lol nice |
| 01:51.57 | jetscreamer | and you might grep the chipset and check the supported whatevers in the list of what the drivers support... |
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| 01:52.32 | preaction | meh, i dont' care that much. it's a smoke-test box for my job's software |
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| 01:52.42 | preaction | but, thanks abrotman and jetscreamer |
| 01:52.52 | jetscreamer | did nothing :) |
| 01:53.07 | abrotman | would have removed one of the cards and concentrated on one |
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| 01:53.48 | jetscreamer | didn't even pay attention to 'eth0 ð1' .. good idea |
| 01:54.24 | jetscreamer | are they matched? you can't do bonding with those can you? |
| 01:54.36 | jetscreamer | likes doing esoteric stuff |
| 01:54.39 | abrotman | dude .. software test box |
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| 01:54.53 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 01:55.22 | jetscreamer | goes back to tearing up windows |
| 01:56.05 | jetscreamer | now they're saying it won't be till monday till we get our power back :/ |
| 01:56.22 | abrotman | you said already |
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| 01:58.05 | karsten | jetscreamer: Where you is? |
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| 01:59.38 | abrotman | karsten: houston |
| 02:01.13 | jetscreamer | oh |
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| 02:01.30 | jetscreamer | before it was a couple... /me forgets |
| 02:01.37 | jetscreamer | couple more |
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| 02:02.27 | jetscreamer | <--hurricane victim desperately needs 2 sticks of 256mb pc-100 so-dimm :) |
| 02:03.13 | jetscreamer | i donated half my brain to another victim! |
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| 02:03.52 | jetscreamer | bbrbl |
| 02:04.09 | jetscreamer | err.. brbbl |
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| 02:13.54 | karsten | abrotman: Suspected something like that. [Y]ikes. |
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| 02:20.59 | nmx | trying to upgrade the "locales" package, i'm getting a ton of: /usr/share/i18n/charmaps/UTF-8:NNNNN: syntax error in CHARMAP definition: invalid encoding given where NNNNN is an increasing number, followed by "gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--crc error" ... this is sid, any ideas? |
| 02:22.18 | abrotman | bts? |
| 02:23.17 | beardy | Come on, make my day. |
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| 02:24.18 | asg | s/Come on/Go ahead/ |
| 02:24.41 | beardy | !beer asg |
| 02:24.41 | dpkg | pours a litre of Yuengling Lager for asg |
| 02:24.54 | asg | \o/ |
| 02:26.51 | abrotman | mmm .. lager |
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| 02:27.35 | asg | abrotmalager no less |
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| 02:29.02 | abrotman | nummy stuff! |
| 02:29.50 | asg | indeed |
| 02:31.05 | stew | that stuff has gone downhill |
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| 02:32.37 | abrotman | stew: depends if you get the PA or FL brewed stuff |
| 02:32.52 | stew | interesting |
| 02:34.08 | abrotman | and i can't remember how to read the codes on the bottles to tell which is which |
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| 02:35.52 | superjoe30 | is there anything I need to know about installing debian on a laptop? |
| 02:36.14 | superjoe30 | any gotchas or tips |
| 02:36.25 | abrotman | depends on the laptop |
| 02:36.33 | zinx | depends on the laptop hardware, just like installing on a desktop depends on the desktop hardware |
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| 02:36.59 | superjoe30 | I got a laptop that had the same type of parts that desktops have |
| 02:37.12 | superjoe30 | so probably not much difference eh? |
| 02:37.18 | dmoerner | that doesn't really clarify anything |
| 02:37.34 | superjoe30 | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8878002&type=product&id=1210379087572 |
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| 02:38.44 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 02:38.44 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <laptop mode>. |
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| 02:46.31 | superjoe30 | sweet, thanks abrotman |
| 02:46.40 | abrotman | dude .. what's mine say? |
| 02:46.59 | superjoe30 | hm? |
| 02:47.07 | abrotman | it's from a movie .. nevermind |
| 02:47.49 | superjoe30 | oops |
| 02:47.52 | superjoe30 | I'll play along next time, promise |
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| 02:48.04 | abrotman | s'alright |
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| 02:52.54 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:52.54 | dpkg | [qotd168] <Maulkin> *mumble*raid0-isn't-raid*mumble* * resiak removes two of Maulkin's chair's legs. "It's okay, because they were in a redundant array!" |
| 02:52.59 | roe_ | I just upgraded my kernel to 2.6.26 (lenny) and rebuilt my nvidia module using module assistant. It built fine, and I can modprobe it fine, but when I start X my monitor just goes to sleep. There are no errors (EE) or warnings (WW) logged in /var/log/Xorg.log.0 |
| 02:53.27 | abrotman | usually that means you're out of range |
| 02:53.36 | roe_ | but why would it have changed |
| 02:53.42 | abrotman | different driver? |
| 02:54.36 | roe_ | my HorizSync is set to 30-96 while my vert is set to 75-100 |
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| 02:57.11 | roe_ | I'm not sure where to find the values for my monitor to check that, it is the dell 24inch widescreen lcd (1920x1200) |
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| 02:58.28 | rchi | roe_, you'd want to try vert sync at 60 |
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| 02:59.40 | roe_ | same issue |
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| 03:00.06 | roe_ | and you mean VertRefresh correct? |
| 03:01.01 | roe_ | I am using Module 173.14.09 |
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| 03:05.57 | n3kl | what is spi? |
| 03:05.59 | rchi | roe_, yes sorry VertRefresh. Are you using a vga converter on ya video card? |
| 03:06.13 | roe_ | dvi |
| 03:06.41 | roe_ | dvi out to dvi in |
| 03:07.15 | roe_ | well that is interesting |
| 03:07.22 | roe_ | my card has both dvi and vga |
| 03:07.43 | roe_ | it works with the vga but not the dvi |
| 03:08.12 | rchi | yeah, i've had this problem before now i just have to remember |
| 03:08.18 | jaredj | n3kl: a simple bus sort of like i2c - small number of wires, small bandwidth |
| 03:08.29 | roe_ | I think it rings a bell too. |
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| 03:10.05 | jaredj | n3kl: in fact i2c may be a subset of spi, or the other way around .can't remember |
| 03:13.11 | Bupropion_user | i can't seem to find a linux-image deb that contains a driver for my soundcard, so am i left with having to compile the alsa or linux sources or is there something else I can try? |
| 03:14.10 | rchi | roe_, try Option "MonitorLayout" "LVMS,TMDS" in xorg.conf |
| 03:14.50 | dmoerner | Bupropion_user: what card? |
| 03:14.51 | rchi | device section |
| 03:15.18 | Bupropion_user | the driver it uses is cs46xx |
| 03:15.29 | Bupropion_user | i forget the exact name of the card |
| 03:15.56 | roe_ | nope |
| 03:16.31 | dmoerner | Bupropion_user: that was removed from debian because it has non-free blobs in it |
| 03:16.43 | Bupropion_user | oh... |
| 03:17.25 | Bupropion_user | darn! thanks for the info though! |
| 03:17.28 | dmoerner | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=476672 |
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| 03:22.29 | neurodamage | so I've deleted files manually after removing the packages |
| 03:22.36 | neurodamage | when I reinstalled the packages it didn't reinstall the files |
| 03:22.38 | neurodamage | what do I do? |
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| 03:24.23 | Amarande | neurodamage, the files concerned were most likely not part of any package |
| 03:24.29 | Amarande | some programs generate additional files when they are run |
| 03:24.39 | neurodamage | Amarande: no these were /etc/horde |
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| 03:24.50 | neurodamage | and ARE needed :(, which is the shizzy part |
| 03:26.09 | neurodamage | Amarande: how do I force it to unpack replacing the files? |
| 03:26.35 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell neurodamage -about confmiss |
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| 03:32.57 | yigal | I think I have the least supported laptop ever supported by linux |
| 03:34.43 | yigal | it does have cpu scaling with the right driver and acpi will report temp. but all else is a lost cause, hotkeys, suspend, hibernate, it's very funny |
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| 03:35.59 | yigal | owell my humour sorry #debian-offtopic |
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| 03:38.11 | rchi | yigal, what model laptop? |
| 03:38.21 | rchi | and what debian? |
| 03:39.38 | yigal | rchi: toshiba satellite m45 PSM43U-00S00F it uses a phoenix bios 1.50 , one reason it is so unsupported, I'm using lenny but as far as I've researched it doesn't matter much |
| 03:40.25 | roe_ | rchi, the solution ended up being enabling twinview and cloning the displays (VGA an DVI) |
| 03:40.28 | roe_ | works like a charm |
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| 03:42.47 | rchi | roe_, awesome |
| 03:42.55 | roe_ | it is odd that the older module didn't require that |
| 03:43.29 | rchi | what the module in place on install? |
| 03:43.36 | rchi | of the os |
| 03:43.42 | vncprado | 1/close |
| 03:43.44 | yigal | rchi: no worries, I was given it for free, as my friend was using Windows on it |
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| 03:43.54 | roe_ | rchi, ? |
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| 03:45.49 | pythonic | hi.. su foo as root in a chroot environment requires a password.. why? |
| 03:46.04 | yigal | rchi: it got a virus slowed down and he gave me it, so now I have a box |
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| 03:46.18 | roe_ | I love windows users |
| 03:46.31 | yigal | roe_: me too, free computers keep coming my way |
| 03:46.35 | yigal | roe_: :) |
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| 03:46.46 | neurodamage | dmoerner: thank you for that, it was perrfectttooo :) |
| 03:47.00 | rchi | roe_, how was the previous driver/mod installed? |
| 03:47.07 | rchi | yigal, winner :D |
| 03:47.08 | roe_ | module assistant |
| 03:47.35 | roe_ | a 3yr old windows computer with loads of malware on it is worth throwing out rather than fixing it |
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| 03:48.58 | rchi | did you install debian with x so it setup the dvi settings by default? |
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| 03:50.28 | roe_ | this install has been through sarge to etch to lenny, the video card was not what was originally in the machine when the OS was originally installed |
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| 04:14.33 | Internat | howdy all, has anyone encountered the issue with mplayer on kde where it errors that it cant find the video out display |
| 04:15.01 | Internat | mine's doing that.. and ive set it to use opengl (and that works), but im not sure ifs using hardware rendering rather then software.. |
| 04:15.03 | mimcpher | Internat, its probably you using the wrong driver |
| 04:15.20 | mimcpher | Oh, you say you've set it to use opengl. hmm. Try xv |
| 04:15.24 | Internat | thats straight out of the box.. |
| 04:16.09 | Internat | whatever mplayer defaults too didnt work.. |
| 04:16.13 | mimcpher | Internat, you're not running mplayer as root or anything? running as the currently logged-into-X user? |
| 04:16.40 | Internat | yup currently logged in person |
| 04:16.46 | mimcpher | I'm just going to apoligze now an dleave |
| 04:16.49 | mimcpher | since I'm wayt drunk |
| 04:16.54 | mimcpher | sandvine had an open bar |
| 04:17.01 | mimcpher | for anybody whjo applied for a job |
| 04:17.02 | Internat | lol |
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| 04:19.11 | \3TATU1 | haha urfags |
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| 04:26.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: karsten complains about: \3TATU1 |
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| 04:26.36 | karsten | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 04:26.36 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for dondelelcaro |
| 04:26.41 | peterS | ...or that |
| 04:26.52 | karsten | !wine peterS |
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| 04:27.19 | karsten | was wondering if there was a wine in the house. |
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| 04:28.18 | daniiel | sometimes (like right now), my computers memory will all become used, and nothing aparently is using it (in "ps aux" or "top") i am sitting at idle and using 1 gig of ram, which as quite above normal, could i have a memory leak or something ? |
| 04:28.35 | Internat | define used |
| 04:28.42 | Internat | is this free returning mostly full? |
| 04:29.04 | Internat | its improtant to look at the buffers/cache section rather then the first line... |
| 04:29.06 | daklan | daniiel: memory is cached |
| 04:29.28 | daniiel | Mem: 1011 989 22 0 707 98 |
| 04:29.29 | Internat | ie the kernel will try to keep as much stuff in memory as it can.. it normally leaves arround 10% free.. |
| 04:29.32 | Internat | yeah.. |
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| 04:29.38 | Internat | look at the line beow that daniiel |
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| 04:30.01 | orzo | sox rec command doesn't work |
| 04:30.06 | orzo | rec soxio: Failed reading `default': unknown file type `alsa` |
| 04:30.08 | daniiel | buffers used:183 free:828] |
| 04:30.16 | Internat | :) |
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| 04:30.27 | Internat | so in relatiy |
| 04:30.37 | Internat | ur system has 828mb of free available memory |
| 04:30.50 | Internat | the kernel is just keeping other stuff cached while ur not using it |
| 04:30.53 | daniiel | it just does it randomly, so i didn't know, don't understand memoryu usage too well |
| 04:31.05 | daniiel | making use of unused ram? |
| 04:31.10 | Internat | yup |
| 04:31.43 | Internat | you'll know u have memory issues if u start getting into ur swap space.. |
| 04:31.51 | Internat | but otherwise id say the kernel is doing its job fine :) |
| 04:32.43 | daklan | daniiel: cat /proc/meminfo |
| 04:32.53 | daklan | daniiel: and look at "cached" |
| 04:33.22 | Amarande | Swap: 5855684 0 5855684 |
| 04:33.26 | Amarande | I wasted 6GB of my hard drive :| |
| 04:33.55 | daklan | Amarande: a swap size that big is really a waste |
| 04:34.01 | daniiel | cached: 103848 kB |
| 04:35.49 | Amarande | Yeah, especially since my memory usually looks like: |
| 04:35.50 | Amarande | Mem: 2076128 828320 1247808 0 81860 412036 |
| 04:36.00 | daniiel | =P |
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| 04:36.20 | Amarande | BTW, daniiel, how much memory do you actually have installed in your machine? |
| 04:36.24 | Amarande | and which CPU do you have? |
| 04:36.27 | daklan | Amarande: a swap size of 1-2 gig would be sufficient, considering that your memory usage isn't intensive |
| 04:36.30 | Amarande | and are you on lenny, or etch? |
| 04:36.33 | coffeefrog | yikes, i had an install (lenny) fail again, im going to try the latest weekly build |
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| 04:36.56 | coffeefrog | no gdm or x, and the second time i booted it i think the partition was seriously borked |
| 04:36.57 | Amarande | coffeefrog, I'm actually paying a farewell to Debian again soon :| |
| 04:37.00 | daniiel | im a thinkpad t30 P4-M 2.0Ghz w/ 1024M |
| 04:37.09 | coffeefrog | error msgs flying down the screen |
| 04:37.18 | Amarande | Ahh. Making sure you didn't have say 2GB and missing half of it |
| 04:37.39 | coffeefrog | i seem to have a heck of a time getting debian to install from cd |
| 04:37.49 | coffeefrog | if i can get it installed it doesnt give me much problems |
| 04:38.05 | daniiel | what are you installing on? |
| 04:38.18 | coffeefrog | a desktop |
| 04:38.27 | daniiel | hehe, what kind ? |
| 04:38.28 | daklan | debian didn't like my thinkpad 600 too well |
| 04:38.51 | coffeefrog | cd install seems to fail 50% of the time for me, and its nondeterministic, it will work the second time i try but im not taking chances this time, im trying the latest release |
| 04:38.55 | coffeefrog | a p4 |
| 04:38.57 | coffeefrog | asus |
| 04:39.00 | daniiel | debian works well on my 600e, i think etch is on it |
| 04:39.10 | craigevil | coffeefrog: why not use the netinstall |
| 04:39.17 | Amarande | I'm saying goodbye to debian again mainly because of ati :| |
| 04:39.32 | craigevil | ati sucks on any distro |
| 04:39.40 | daklan | debian installs, cant get my pcmcia e100 card to work |
| 04:39.44 | Internat | oh? ati issues with debian? |
| 04:39.47 | coffeefrog | i should not need internet to install it should work from cd |
| 04:39.54 | Internat | i was about to get a ati board |
| 04:39.57 | Amarande | ati issues with linux in general |
| 04:39.59 | coffeefrog | besides that takes longer i have a slow pipe |
| 04:40.05 | Amarande | basically, if you just want desktop stuff, you're ok, use the radeonhd driver |
| 04:40.11 | daklan | never good to do net-install if you can't get to the internet |
| 04:40.13 | daniiel | if you have a really fancy video card ? mine have usually worked pretty well, but i don't use the "eye candy" |
| 04:40.19 | Amarande | but if you want to use games at all (and why would you buy anything newer than a Radeon 7000/nVidia 5500 or so if you didn't want to game) |
| 04:40.31 | craigevil | coffeefrog: if you dont mind running sid you might want to take a look at sidux its a single distro cd based on debian sid |
| 04:40.34 | Amarande | then you need to use the fglrx driver, which is about as stable as beryllium-8 |
| 04:40.38 | coffeefrog | hmm |
| 04:40.57 | coffeefrog | it may have been a more serious issue, maybe with dm-crypt or luks |
| 04:41.10 | Internat | im just pondering cause im about to buy a new cpu/mobo/vid card.. for a media box.. so id like it to be able to play decently.. |
| 04:41.12 | coffeefrog | first time i booted it, i got to login prompt but there was no x |
| 04:41.21 | Internat | x264 is my current issue.. hosing the system something cronic.. |
| 04:41.27 | Amarande | Internat, if you plan on linux for stuff that seriously needs the video card, go with nVidia |
| 04:41.31 | coffeefrog | second time i booted it i was getting errors all over the screen moving too fast, it seemed to be a corrupted partition issue |
| 04:41.36 | craigevil | Internat: either get one with intel graphics or nvidia |
| 04:42.16 | Internat | the reason i was looking at ati, cause a few of the mobos have intergrated HDMI, which since its on the mobo actually has vid/audio on the same cable.. |
| 04:42.22 | Internat | but there all ATI.. |
| 04:42.25 | coffeefrog | i still get something about usb ports 1 and 2, error -71 cant address or something |
| 04:42.33 | coffeefrog | but usb shouldnt be affecting the system working |
| 04:42.37 | coffeefrog | i am not using any usb drives |
| 04:42.57 | coffeefrog | i probably disabled something in my bios to get that |
| 04:43.11 | craigevil | if i have a mouse or kb plugged into my eeepc that runs lenny i get wierd usb errors like that but everything works just fine |
| 04:43.24 | coffeefrog | is lenny close to goign stable yet? |
| 04:43.29 | coffeefrog | ill just try the latest build |
| 04:43.36 | Amarande | ATI rides the failboat, basically |
| 04:43.40 | craigevil | probably not til dec |
| 04:43.48 | Amarande | on linux if you need 3D, anyway |
| 04:43.50 | Internat | thats very unfortunate.. id rather not join the failboat |
| 04:43.55 | coffeefrog | close enough, hopefully nothing major will break til then |
| 04:44.07 | coffeefrog | i need to install NOW heh |
| 04:44.16 | craigevil | i doubt it testing is usually pretty stable i just wouldnt use it on a server |
| 04:44.31 | coffeefrog | yea its usually good to me 'if i can get it installed' |
| 04:44.37 | Amarande | Internat, also a bit of advice if you do use ATI |
| 04:44.38 | coffeefrog | but i have a heck of a time with the installer |
| 04:44.45 | Amarande | the fglrx howto won't work fully on lenny |
| 04:44.45 | coffeefrog | its a crapshoot |
| 04:44.46 | Internat | mainly cause i have 7900gt in the box, but its a intel 1.8 dual core.. and it doesnt deal with hdvideo (x264) at all.. |
| 04:45.05 | Amarande | Internat: the two things to remember when using the fglrx howto on lenny |
| 04:45.24 | coffeefrog | only one major performance issue i cant figure out yet, if the disk is being used heavily, large file copy/write etc, the desktop will pretty much be unresponsive and freeze |
| 04:45.27 | coffeefrog | it does not multitask well for me |
| 04:45.34 | Amarande | a) don't use fakeroot sh, the lenny scripts already take the need for fakeroot into account and will fail with a complaint about nesting fakeroot if you manually specify it :) |
| 04:46.00 | Internat | yeah i guess i need to try and work out if my current problem is due to it using softare rather then hardware rending.. |
| 04:46.07 | craigevil | coffeefrog: give sidux a shot ive ran it since it came out with no issues |
| 04:46.14 | Internat | if its hardware then i guess i sort out what to go get next.. |
| 04:46.15 | Amarande | b) you need to use m-a build, not m-a a-i when building the kernel module, otherwise it will constantly insist on pulling the version off the lenny repository |
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| 04:47.02 | craigevil | did h2 quit sidux altogether? |
| 04:47.08 | coffeefrog | hmm |
| 04:47.08 | Amarande | if the package build script complains it can't find ldconfig, then you need to add /sbin to your PATH before running the command to build the package |
| 04:47.29 | Internat | does dpkg have these notes? :D |
| 04:47.51 | Amarande | Internat: no, which is why it took me forever to figure out how to properly build fglrx on lenny |
| 04:47.53 | craigevil | oops wrong channel for that question :) |
| 04:47.58 | Internat | ah.. |
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| 04:48.03 | Internat | you should add them ;) |
| 04:48.08 | Amarande | I don't remember how, heh |
| 04:48.14 | dondelelcaro | uh... nothing should be calling ldconfig when it's building |
| 04:48.27 | dondelelcaro | (that's pretty much totally broken) |
| 04:48.36 | Amarande | dondelelcaro: apparently, ldconfig is called during the process of building the lenny fglrx package from ATI's script |
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| 04:49.27 | Amarande | I'm not sure exactly what for, except it must not be something especially earth-shaking, since you don't need to be root, you just need to have /sbin in PATH |
| 04:50.06 | rathi | Evince, crashes when selecting an item from combo box |
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| 04:52.19 | coffeefrog | heh i just read maybe ubuntu is going to go with iceweasel or equiv now, mozilla is whining again, this time about making users see the eula |
| 04:53.09 | rathi | Evince get closed when selecting an item form the combo box |
| 04:53.20 | n3kl | cd .. |
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| 04:54.03 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: figures that an idiotic non-free driver would do something like that |
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| 04:56.53 | BierSchaumSchlue | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/2199735/ |
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| 05:06.25 | yigal | man I so dislike using a non-open source ati driver, I feel like such a poser |
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| 05:09.01 | daniiel | then use the free versions ? =) |
| 05:09.31 | yigal | but I love compiz :( such a weak being I am |
| 05:10.14 | daniiel | yea, if i had hardware to support it, that might be a "weakness" for me aswell. eye-candy, yum. |
| 05:10.37 | yigal | I either like compiz + gnome or xmonad both roughly the sam |
| 05:10.43 | yigal | s/sam/same |
| 05:11.42 | daniiel | i've never heard of xmonad, i'll look it up. |
| 05:11.51 | yigal | :) |
| 05:12.09 | yigal | cool, it's a haskell thing |
| 05:16.00 | yigal | man I had know idea there was a rap artist called Canibus, now I know what I'm going to listen |
| 05:16.10 | yigal | s/know/no |
| 05:16.24 | yigal | to |
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| 05:18.08 | yigal | he's not very good though |
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| 05:19.59 | yigal | geez sorry debian-offtopic |
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| 05:29.48 | plaur | setting up selinux on lenny: are the instructions on wiki.debian.org still necessary, or does everything work out of the box now? |
| 05:30.47 | plaur | i mean http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup |
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| 05:33.40 | coffeefrog | is it normal to have cd install fail a lot from the weekly testing builds :P |
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| 05:34.15 | coffeefrog | i didnt get any red FAIL warnings 'this time' but my install was seriously borked |
| 05:34.25 | coffeefrog | im downloading the more recent image now |
| 05:34.44 | coffeefrog | it seems to be a crapshoot for me |
| 05:34.53 | coffeefrog | ive even had it happen on stable, though only once i think |
| 05:35.28 | stew | plaur: i know little about selinux, but I've seen this recommended: http://doc.coker.com.au/computers/installing-se-linux-on-lenny/ |
| 05:35.30 | legis | Hi, I lost net connection to a lenny box, don't have a monitor around, can i do some serial connection to it? |
| 05:36.42 | plaur | stew: thanks |
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| 05:37.55 | daniiel | coffeefrog: make model computer, install disc version ? |
| 05:38.27 | coffeefrog | it was the weekly testing build from like 2 weeks ago |
| 05:38.49 | coffeefrog | i dont remember which date it was |
| 05:39.08 | coffeefrog | but i seem to always be having trouble getting the installer to work |
| 05:39.18 | daniiel | have you tried the regular lenny installer, not a test build ? and whats the computer make and model |
| 05:39.20 | coffeefrog | an asus p4p series intel |
| 05:39.24 | legis | or is by default the serial connection is disabled? |
| 05:39.45 | daniiel | no serial by default, unless your on a sun machine maybe |
| 05:40.13 | coffeefrog | im still a n00b here, regular installer? the only images i see for lenny are the weekly testing builds, is there a better lenny installer :P |
| 05:40.32 | daniiel | are you a linux noob or debian noob? |
| 05:40.33 | coffeefrog | i usually either use cd-1 or the net-inst cd |
| 05:40.43 | coffeefrog | does it matter? a debian noob |
| 05:41.10 | daniiel | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:42.30 | daniiel | if you where a complete linux noob, i was going to suggest etch/stable, why i asked =) |
| 05:42.43 | coffeefrog | from the debian.org main page the only logical place to end up is http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ which offers the stable release and the weekly testing builds, i didnt know there was an alternative |
| 05:42.43 | coffeefrog | heh |
| 05:42.54 | coffeefrog | so how does this installer differ from the weekly testing release |
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| 05:43.36 | daniiel | it's stable(er) than a testing installer..? i've never had problems with it anyways |
| 05:43.36 | legis | yeah, its not on by default, just checked /etc/inittab, the lines commented :( |
| 05:43.59 | coffeefrog | so that means it has older packages though than the testing release right |
| 05:44.09 | coffeefrog | i just dont want ot run into any issues updatign |
| 05:44.18 | daniiel | same packages, different installer |
| 05:44.22 | coffeefrog | oh |
| 05:44.28 | daniiel | me thinks |
| 05:44.38 | coffeefrog | so why is the weekly build using the other one? |
| 05:45.07 | daniiel | for testing the installer. |
| 05:45.20 | daniiel | me thinks (again not 100%) |
| 05:45.46 | daniiel | legis do you have direct access to the machine or is it remote? |
| 05:45.56 | coffeefrog | ive even had etch installer give me a big red FAIL message once or twice, but ive installed testing about 3x as many times |
| 05:46.18 | coffeefrog | this one is dated june 7 |
| 05:46.20 | coffeefrog | hmm |
| 05:46.45 | daniiel | does other OS's install fine on it, other linux's and/or windows ? |
| 05:46.59 | legis | daniiel: yeah, physical access, I gues I'll have to the monitor I'm using right now |
| 05:47.07 | legis | *to take |
| 05:47.37 | daniiel | legis, or just attach a keyboard and keep track of what your doing =) i've had to do that before.. |
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| 05:48.09 | daniiel | your net went down, it's LAN link? |
| 05:48.30 | legis | heh, wan link |
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| 05:49.08 | daniiel | how where you connecting to it? (i.e. ssh) |
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| 05:50.58 | daniiel | well either way attachin the monitor would be the easiest fix |
| 05:52.02 | p1ngp0ng | how would i go about removing my nvidia drivers? i want to try and install the debian way, but i want to remove it completly first |
| 05:52.28 | sumix | Does gnome come with Debian netinst? |
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| 05:53.30 | legis | daniiel: yeah ssh, I screw up some routing config, would be hard to fix without the monitor, brb, taking the monitor down :) |
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| 05:56.32 | daniiel | sumix, you can install gnome with netinst, it downloads over the net however |
| 05:56.43 | daniiel | isn't on the cd |
| 05:57.12 | sumix | daniiel, okay nice. |
| 05:57.49 | daniiel | with debian, if you choose desktop environment during the install, it is gnome by default |
| 05:58.12 | p1ngp0ng | hum |
| 05:59.02 | daniiel | p1ngp0ng how'd you install the driver ? |
| 05:59.18 | p1ngp0ng | using the nvidia installer from the official site |
| 05:59.32 | p1ngp0ng | but ive also been trying diferent methods. so i want to purge anything nvidia related |
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| 05:59.46 | p1ngp0ng | im running etchnhalf amd64 btw |
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| 06:00.32 | daniiel | i really couldn't say in that case..do what you did backwards and opposite =) |
| 06:01.00 | p1ngp0ng | oh, id love to. only problem is that i cant remember :P |
| 06:01.18 | daniiel | did you use any .debs ? |
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| 06:01.37 | p1ngp0ng | maybe lol |
| 06:01.46 | p1ngp0ng | i tried the debian several times. but it failed on me |
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| 06:01.54 | p1ngp0ng | debian way* |
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| 06:02.24 | p1ngp0ng | maybe if i just remove my X11 folder and start all over again? |
| 06:02.42 | daniiel | there *might* be some of it in aptitude under the installed packages/local and obsolete |
| 06:02.45 | p1ngp0ng | rm -rf /etc/X11 and then do dpkg -l nvidia* |
| 06:02.48 | p1ngp0ng | maybe? |
| 06:02.56 | daniiel | NO |
| 06:03.01 | daniiel | bad |
| 06:03.03 | p1ngp0ng | oh ok |
| 06:03.29 | daniiel | you could try aptitude purge xserver-xorg, and then reinstall ? |
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| 06:03.44 | p1ngp0ng | yeh i can try that |
| 06:04.04 | daniiel | which should remove all of it's dependencies that would be no longer used |
| 06:04.04 | kgoetz | daniiel: if he installed from nvidias .run that wont help |
| 06:04.13 | p1ngp0ng | the problem is that i've tried so many options installing it the debian way, that i think i might be better of just doing a complete reinstall really |
| 06:04.28 | daniiel | there is always that |
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| 06:04.52 | daniiel | i am getting spamed in /msg i hate that |
| 06:05.08 | dondelelcaro | daniiel: you can go +R if you want |
| 06:05.12 | p1ngp0ng | me to |
| 06:05.28 | dondelelcaro | though if it's someone in this channel, tell an op |
| 06:05.42 | coffeefrog | yea i disable those, my client wont let me whitelist individual nicks while at the same time banning all for *!*@* |
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| 06:06.10 | daniiel | FunFilledFunFest, im an IRC newbie, how to go +R |
| 06:06.26 | enouf | daniiel: do /mode daniiel +E |
| 06:06.45 | p1ngp0ng | what does that do? |
| 06:06.49 | kgoetz | you could /ignore the person |
| 06:06.58 | daniiel | i'll do ignore, thanks |
| 06:07.01 | p1ngp0ng | he changes nick for each time |
| 06:07.06 | enouf | http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 06:07.23 | p1ngp0ng | enouf: you just couldnt tell me could you :P |
| 06:07.25 | enouf | daniiel: do this-> /mode daniiel +E |
| 06:07.53 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: i only saw daniiel mention anything |
| 06:08.06 | p1ngp0ng | well, that guy is spamming me aswell |
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| 06:08.12 | p1ngp0ng | i said that |
| 06:08.21 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: do this-> /mode daniiel +E |
| 06:08.25 | enouf | happy? |
| 06:08.34 | p1ngp0ng | i just wanted to know what +E does |
| 06:08.41 | enouf | ... |
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| 06:08.50 | p1ngp0ng | no, you dont have to ... me |
| 06:08.57 | p1ngp0ng | i just dont know, so i asked what it does |
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| 06:09.19 | dondelelcaro | p1ngp0ng: that's what the link enouf gave above explains |
| 06:09.21 | daniiel | check the link enouf sent, it explains it |
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| 06:09.41 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: when you don't use my nick as a preface, i don't know whom you're talking to - not to mention, i don't read every line - now, please stop this nonsense |
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| 06:11.07 | p1ngp0ng | ok. let me put it this way. if i wanted to know who jesus was, id prefer a simple answear. rather than someone hading me the bible. now im not complaining. but my question was simple enough. |
| 06:11.10 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 06:11.57 | Amarande | p1ngp0ng, as a general rule, as a linux user |
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| 06:12.07 | dondelelcaro | p1ngp0ng: uh... that page is so short and explains what it does far better than we're going to be able to. If reading a single paragraph in a table on a page is like reading a bible, you've got some catching up to do... |
| 06:12.10 | Amarande | you'll go much farther by reading the documentation than having stuff told to you one by one :) |
| 06:12.19 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: i did make a mistake, you should do /mode p1ngp0ng +E (sorry about that) |
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| 06:12.43 | Amarande | the heck |
| 06:12.55 | Amarande | did anyone else just get an ad? |
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| 06:13.11 | sumix | Yup |
| 06:13.15 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: /ignore *!*@c-71-57-135-166.hsd1.fl.comcast.net MSGS NOTICE |
| 06:13.26 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever is your equivalent if your client is not irssi) |
| 06:13.38 | dondelelcaro | apparently no network staff is alive |
| 06:14.30 | kgoetz | dondelelcaro: its light in Australia, thats a sure sign the staff are awol :) |
| 06:14.33 | enouf | right, as dondelelcaro mentions, when i do an /ignore, i always use the IP as he showed - though sometimes i'll use a nick when it's not an aggregious offense :-) but pm SPAM is |
| 06:14.35 | p1ngp0ng | dondelelcaro: usually the case is otherwhise. i did check the site afterwords. and yes you are right, it was a short site explaining it all nicely to me. but still, the case is usally someting closely compared to a bible. |
| 06:15.06 | p1ngp0ng | enouf: /sarcasm. anyways, i just wanted to know what it did. you might have misunderstood me. but everything is cool. |
| 06:15.33 | enouf | i didn't see your question to me! ... are you that daft? |
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| 06:16.08 | enouf | now, say hello to my /ignore list ;-) (just for a while) |
| 06:16.09 | p1ngp0ng | well, in context, i asked what it did. |
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| 06:16.15 | daniiel | *gets out the fire extinguisher |
| 06:16.24 | coffeefrog | lol |
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| 06:18.07 | p1ngp0ng | the bitter irony is, that the more time you spend infront of a computer and/or go without having goten laid, the higher you heels become :P |
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| 06:19.18 | kgoetz | o_0 |
| 06:19.48 | Amarande | ? |
| 06:20.01 | p1ngp0ng | i know, the mental picture is disturbing isnt it? |
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| 06:23.37 | Amarande | p1ngp0ng, it takes a lot to -really- disturb me LOL |
| 06:24.09 | hd420 | i need to calculate the uuid for grub from /dev/sda1, and am staring at an initramfs prompt... any idea how to proceed? |
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| 06:25.55 | p1ngp0ng | Amarande: sadly, that is the reality of todays generation :P |
| 06:26.08 | hd420 | brb |
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| 06:26.56 | daniiel | hd420: "Instead of using UUID, why not use the device name like root=/dev/hda1 or whatever it is." |
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| 06:27.44 | embrik | I need to kick out a user and kill all his prosesses on an nx-server - what do I write |
| 06:28.19 | p1ngp0ng | userdel "user"? :P |
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| 06:29.26 | embrik | I don't want to remove the user from ldap, just kill the prosesses wchich are running on the server |
| 06:31.15 | p1ngp0ng | cant you use the kill command to kill the processes linked to his user? |
| 06:31.29 | p1ngp0ng | and add his ip to iptables? |
| 06:31.40 | embrik | yes, but he has got too many prosesses |
| 06:31.43 | p1ngp0ng | tho, he could still connect through another ip |
| 06:32.20 | embrik | I'd like a command which just kicks the user out and treminates his session: kick username |
| 06:33.14 | Amarande | embrik: is he logged in via X, or a shell? |
| 06:33.21 | embrik | he should be able to log in again - but he has made an unauthorized log out and he is still running |
| 06:33.38 | Amarande | killall -u <username> |
| 06:33.42 | embrik | Amarande, X - he is logged in as a nx-client (nomachine) |
| 06:34.02 | stew | embrik: have a look at slay |
| 06:34.08 | Amarande | embrik: or killall -9 -u <username> |
| 06:34.10 | linostar | embrik: maybe : kill -9 `ps ax -u <username> | cut -d ' ' -f1` |
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| 06:34.34 | Amarande | linostar, killall has the functionality, no need to be fancy with ps :) |
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| 06:35.01 | linostar | Amarande, you're right, I was going too far :) |
| 06:35.20 | p1ngp0ng | slay seems to do the trick |
| 06:35.32 | embrik | Amarande, OK, I'll man it first :-) Nice, a lot of suggestions. I'll try and remember it until next time, because a lot of my users logs out of the client by pressing x instead of logging out, then their prosesses still run on the server |
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| 06:35.49 | Amarande | embrik: fix the client |
| 06:36.33 | embrik | Amarande, maybe - I haven't set it up - I've used external support for it - I should contact them |
| 06:37.06 | superjoe30 | debian netinst didn't have a driver for the Intel GM965/PM965 ethernet on my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop. Anyone know where to find a driver for this? |
| 06:37.41 | Amarande | hmm, time to see if Debian will yell "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" at me when this disc is detected in the drive ... :) |
| 06:37.47 | Amarande | weird, it doesn't. heh |
| 06:38.08 | superjoe30 | I've got the system minimally installed, but getting internet to it is proving a challenge |
| 06:38.24 | Amarande | superjoe30, have you tried both etch and lenny? |
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| 06:39.32 | superjoe30 | I'll give lenny a shot |
| 06:39.57 | superjoe30 | good idea |
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| 06:41.17 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, why not just use backports kernel |
| 06:41.38 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, do you know if that ethernet card is supported in 24 or later kern? |
| 06:42.11 | craigevil | superjoe30: what ethernet card/chip? |
| 06:42.12 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, what is backports kernel? I haven't been able to find out, though I've seen clues that later kernels might work |
| 06:42.28 | daniiel | superjoe, is that a wireless card? or regular ethernet? |
| 06:42.31 | craigevil | might try the etchnhalf kernel |
| 06:42.34 | p1ngp0ng | to run the Debian installer from a usb, do i need everythin in http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/hd-media/? |
| 06:42.40 | embrik | killall helped me - I'll try to remember that |
| 06:42.44 | superjoe30 | regular ethernet |
| 06:42.46 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, have you been to the debian backports site? |
| 06:42.55 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, no |
| 06:43.07 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php |
| 06:43.26 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, looks like 2.6.26 is available |
| 06:43.29 | superjoe30 | craigevil, according to some random forum poster, inspiron 1525 ethernet is Intel GM965/PM965 |
| 06:43.49 | craigevil | isnt that the video? |
| 06:43.52 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, you could download the packages you need on the machine you are using now, then maybe usb key to get them on the debian box |
| 06:44.15 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, yeah that's my plan, but I'm having trouble finding drivers |
| 06:44.46 | daniiel | i've never heard of a regular ethernet plug not working.. |
| 06:44.49 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, the card you listed comes up as video when i google it . . .what is the ethernet card? |
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| 06:44.57 | superjoe30 | craigevil, I can't find the specs. It would be nice if they actually had the firmware on the dell site rather than just "ethernet 10/100" |
| 06:45.01 | daniiel | yes i found video aswell |
| 06:45.08 | Lagbolt | intel GM965/PM965 <--- looks like video card |
| 06:45.37 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, ok in that case I have yet to figure out what chipset it is |
| 06:45.42 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, how did you determine the card? |
| 06:45.44 | superjoe30 | give me a minute to try all your suggestions |
| 06:45.45 | daniiel | lspci |
| 06:45.47 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, you know about lspci? |
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| 06:46.05 | craigevil | http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/download.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=gen&releaseid=R174291&SystemID=VOS_N_1500&servicetag=&os=WW1&osl=RU&deviceid=15680&devlib=0&typecnt=0&vercnt=1&catid=-1&impid=-1&formatcnt=1&libid=5&fileid=236819 |
| 06:46.08 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, well until we know what card it is none of the suggestions are sure to help |
| 06:46.11 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, http://www.mail-archive.com/opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org/msg33772.html |
| 06:46.19 | craigevil | http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Tech/Wireless/Truemobile_ndiswrapper |
| 06:46.22 | craigevil | there you go |
| 06:46.44 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, lspci, command not found :D debian netinst is VERY minimal |
| 06:46.55 | craigevil | grab the winXP driver and use ndiswrapper |
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| 06:47.22 | superjoe30 | I think installing a later kernel might work |
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| 06:47.30 | superjoe30 | give me a few minutes to try that |
| 06:47.43 | Amarande | we need a new feature for squeeze |
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| 06:47.59 | Amarande | when a Windows install disc is inserted into the drive, the debian machine shall scream "WHAT ARE YOU DOING! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" at the user. :) |
| 06:48.38 | craigevil | superjoe30: also take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/Inspiron1525 |
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| 06:49.12 | superjoe30 | craigevil, ooh, nice thanks |
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| 06:49.31 | craigevil | looks like all you need it the module sky2 |
| 06:49.38 | craigevil | s/it/is |
| 06:49.57 | craigevil | at least on lenny |
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| 06:50.06 | craigevil | etch will probably need a newer kernel |
| 06:50.20 | craigevil | !etchnhalf |
| 06:50.20 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf, or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 06:51.03 | superjoe30 | I see |
| 06:51.32 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, yeah new kern should do it then. download the image from backports |
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| 06:52.34 | superjoe30 | Lagbolt, running lenny would have the same desired effect as backports right? I assume you only suggested that because you assume I want to use etch |
| 06:52.49 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, correct |
| 06:52.59 | Lagbolt | superjoe30, if you want to use lenny just get a lenny installer if you havent already |
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| 06:53.12 | ajonat | :) |
| 06:53.23 | Amarande | Debian really should release more often, craigevil :) |
| 06:53.23 | craigevil | lenny has the 2.6.26 kernel |
| 06:53.35 | Amarande | as it is, we keep getting out-competed by offerings like fedora etc. that update every five minutes |
| 06:53.42 | craigevil | i run sid i could care less when they release |
| 06:53.51 | Amarande | craigevil, you run sid? |
| 06:53.57 | Amarande | do you by any chance have a small scarlet mote in your left eye ... heh |
| 06:54.11 | craigevil | on 2 desktops and lenny on my eeepc |
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| 06:54.24 | craigevil | sid has been on one of my desktops for 4 yrs |
| 06:54.35 | Lagbolt | Amarande, why ? it releases when it is ready :) |
| 06:55.28 | Amarande | Lagbolt, because stable ends up lagging so far behind that people forget about debian unless a new dist was just released |
| 06:55.47 | Amarande | it feels like an insult to Debian that almost all the third-party devs I've seen that have .deb support target Ubuntu preferentially |
| 06:56.02 | craigevil | debian sits on distrowatch in the 5-7 slot all the time it is never forgotten |
| 06:56.12 | Amarande | however, with Debian stable tending to often be 1-2 years behind the times, can I really blame them for preferring Ubuntu? |
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| 06:56.57 | craigevil | most of the ppl i know personally either run sid or sidux i dont know anyone in real life that runs ubuntu |
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| 06:57.19 | superjoe30 | craigevil, where do you work? |
| 06:57.32 | craigevil | hospital IT |
| 06:58.25 | Amarande | isn't ubuntu pretty much just a stabilized ripoff of sid, anyway? :| |
| 06:58.45 | Amarande | at least that's how I gathered it, the ubuntu folks take snapshots of sid every so often, clean them up, and release them as a distro |
| 06:58.50 | zinx | no |
| 06:59.10 | craigevil | ubuntu stable? if you want stable sid run sidux it at least uses debian repos |
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| 06:59.28 | Amarande | *shrug* I've never actually used Ubuntu :) |
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| 06:59.40 | Amarande | I haven't run anything but Debian or Knoppix-liveCD in years, Linux-wise |
| 07:00.02 | Amarande | I used to try all kinds of distros back in the day though ... started with Slackware, ran Red Hat for a while back when there was free Red Hat |
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| 07:00.11 | Amarande | my first Debian was Bo :) |
| 07:00.15 | craigevil | tried it once around the 5.0.4 release wasnt impressed, and newer releases and Mint include way too much useless crap |
| 07:00.46 | Amarande | and also at one point decided I'd never run Caldera again, heh |
| 07:00.50 | Amarande | whatever happened to Caldera, anyway? |
| 07:00.53 | Lagbolt | Amarande, people dont forget about it . . . some use backports or compile their own. it may release slowly, but it is nice and stable :) |
| 07:00.55 | craigevil | sidux/debian are the only distros i run |
| 07:01.07 | Lagbolt | how do you like sidux? |
| 07:01.15 | superjoe30 | craigevil, even in lenny, often updates break my stuff, does this happen often in sid? |
| 07:01.19 | craigevil | its great |
| 07:01.22 | Amarande | All I know is that nearly 10 years ago, I ran Caldera once, root was compromised the first day, and I gave up on Caldera for good. |
| 07:01.45 | Amarande | Thank Elua that I was sitting there in front of the machine when root got compromised. |
| 07:02.00 | Amarande | It's actually funny, how juvenile of messages they'd print on your console screen when they rooted you BITD |
| 07:02.08 | craigevil | superjoe30: sidux has been on my desktop for 2 yrs never had anything major break and i d-u daily |
| 07:02.32 | ajonat | I used both and I know people who use debian and ubuntu.. fact is many people just care about a very small part of the system (e.g c programming) and are perfectly happy without having to worry about configuration of the entire system and just care about a few pkgs that they compiled themselves |
| 07:02.35 | superjoe30 | cool deal |
| 07:02.42 | craigevil | lenny on my eeepc gets updated weekly, its been on it since the day i got it in march no probs |
| 07:02.52 | Amarande | Yeah, that's one thing I've always liked about Linux |
| 07:02.56 | Amarande | C programming. Simple C programming. |
| 07:03.28 | Amarande | On Windows, you pretty much 1) are forced to jump straight into knowing how to code a GUI, and 2) can you even code Windows apps seriously in regular C? I'm pretty sure you *have* to use C++ to work with most stuff, pretty much |
| 07:03.37 | Amarande | I know C quite well, C++ not nearly so much :| |
| 07:03.51 | superjoe30 | Amarande, you can download mingw easily |
| 07:03.53 | Amarande | and I'm really not a big fan of object-oriented programming |
| 07:04.02 | craigevil | but im just a normal user, i know crap about programming, scripting etc |
| 07:04.03 | superjoe30 | it even comes with make |
| 07:04.03 | enouf | and it's not C, nor C++ - it's Micropoop |
| 07:04.09 | enouf | s variant |
| 07:04.24 | daniiel | heh |
| 07:04.25 | Amarande | enouf: C is C |
| 07:04.31 | enouf | nope |
| 07:04.52 | Amarande | even if I coded a completely different libc such that you had to use, say, hitmeonthehead() instead of sprintf() |
| 07:04.55 | Amarande | it would still be C |
| 07:05.13 | et | nope |
| 07:06.47 | Amarande | in any case, I'm under the impression that Windows coding basically *HAS* to be object oriented. |
| 07:06.49 | daniiel | but doesn't the average linux system have lot's of other programming / scripting languages too ? aside from C being most of the base ? |
| 07:06.56 | Amarande | and I virtually always code function-oriented code |
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| 07:07.21 | k00lb0x | How can I set a static DNS in debian? Doesn't resolv.conf get overwritten? |
| 07:07.22 | superjoe30 | you should give lisp a shot |
| 07:07.36 | enouf | daniiel: the kernel is all c, with some asm |
| 07:08.20 | enouf | daniiel: GNU software, .. a whole nother story .. |
| 07:08.27 | Amarande | k00lb0x, remove the network-manager package |
| 07:08.32 | enouf | Amarande: ehat |
| 07:08.58 | enouf | Amarande: what's the MS equiv if fseek and fseeko ? |
| 07:09.10 | enouf | s/if/of |
| 07:09.14 | Amarande | enouf, I'm not sure offhand |
| 07:09.19 | k00lb0x | Amarande: so if I remove network-manager, it won't overwrite resolv.conf? |
| 07:09.25 | Amarande | but, function names doesn't change the language :) |
| 07:09.28 | Amarande | k00lb0x, something like that. |
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| 07:09.42 | enouf | neither am i - but i do know it's nowhere near posix oriented, and entirely different |
| 07:09.56 | Amarande | enouf, are you going to say that if I coded an application that never referenced functions from the libc at all, that wouldn't really be C either? |
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| 07:10.11 | k00lb0x | Amarande: I don't have network-manager installed |
| 07:10.13 | plundra | k00lb0x: Also, if you're using dhcp, configure dhclient to not ask for DNS, or override the ones you want in there. |
| 07:10.24 | craigevil | k00lb0x: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf and prepend domain-name-servers with your dns servers |
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| 07:11.45 | enouf | are you going to say you can run windows binaries natively on linux? |
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| 07:12.08 | enouf | Amarande: ^^^^^^^^^ |
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| 07:12.48 | Amarande | enouf, isn't that what wine is supposed to do? |
| 07:13.00 | enouf | that's non-natively |
| 07:13.17 | enouf | as per my definition of native - anyway |
| 07:14.03 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 07:14.48 | Posterdati | please I need help compiling a c program to open parport device: how can I link it after compiling. ld complains about device drivers functions |
| 07:14.58 | Posterdati | tx |
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| 07:16.29 | mbroeker | Posterdati, gcc -Wall -O2 driver.c -o driver |
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| 07:17.03 | k00lb0x | craigevil: if multiple domain name servers are in resolv.conf, does it just use the first one listed.. first? |
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| 07:17.26 | kvk | i have installed vmware-server on debian system, but when im trying to run the image then it is giving error like " (vmware:5978): libgnomevfs-WARNING **: Cannot load module `/usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libfile.so' (/usr/local/lib/vmware/lib/libgcc_s.so.1/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6)) |
| 07:17.51 | Amarande | vmware ... isn't that something that was supposed to be rendered obsolete by Xen? |
| 07:18.29 | Posterdati | mbroeker: it complains about functions |
| 07:19.07 | enouf | kvk: ls -l `which gcc` |
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| 07:19.21 | mbroeker | Posterdati, paste at least the output from your attempt... |
| 07:19.32 | Posterdati | mbroeker: using kdevelop |
| 07:19.45 | ajonat | kvk, have you installed libgnomevfs2-0? |
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| 07:21.22 | mbroeker | Posterdati, that's pretty sure a user error, not a debian error. |
| 07:21.55 | Posterdati | mbroeker: yes, but I don't recall with lib or .o add in ld search path |
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| 07:27.55 | Posterdati | mbroeker: wait I'm compiling... |
| 07:28.55 | Posterdati | mbroeker: /home/angel/Development/parallel_port/src/parallel_port.c:34: undefined reference to `parport_register_driver' |
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| 07:29.16 | Posterdati | mbroeker: collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
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| 07:30.52 | mbroeker | Posterdati, is this a kernel module? |
| 07:31.01 | Posterdati | mbroeker: no |
| 07:31.19 | Posterdati | mbroeker: a simple program to poll parport device |
| 07:31.50 | mbroeker | Posterdati, and you have an implementation of parport_register_driver? |
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| 07:32.16 | Posterdati | mbroeker: it's in parport module code |
| 07:32.26 | enouf | Posterdati: what release of debian are you running? |
| 07:32.50 | mbroeker | in /usr/src/linux/drivers/parport/share.c |
| 07:32.52 | Posterdati | enouf: lenny |
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| 07:33.19 | Posterdati | enouf: I got linux-tree-2.6.26 and linux-source-2.6.26 too |
| 07:33.32 | Posterdati | enouf: and linux-headers-2.6.26 |
| 07:33.36 | mbroeker | Posterdati, that's why i asked... |
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| 07:36.31 | Posterdati | mbroeker: then? |
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| 07:37.12 | mbroeker | Posterdati, i have found that func in /usr/src/linux/drivers/parport/share.c |
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| 07:40.57 | tompaw | hi guys |
| 07:41.02 | tompaw | anyone using truecrypt here? |
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| 07:42.44 | kvk | enouf: i have installed gcc-4.1 |
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| 07:44.35 | kvk | ajonat: when im trying to install libgnomevfs2.0, is is saying no package found? |
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| 07:44.39 | InvincibleCory | ho |
| 07:44.43 | InvincibleCory | i mean |
| 07:44.44 | InvincibleCory | hi |
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| 07:45.49 | InvincibleCory | hi colb |
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| 07:54.41 | Lagbolt | hi |
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| 07:56.33 | InvincibleCory | #flood |
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| 08:20.18 | superjoe30 | hey don't know if you guys are still here, but debian lenny worked great for the laptop |
| 08:20.23 | superjoe30 | thanks for the advice |
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| 08:33.44 | spradnyesh | hello, i've a weird problem. i recently purchased a lcd (samsung 943nwx) which i'm running on debian unstable. the weird problem is that the monitor says it's running at 1440x900 and kde tells me that display is at 1440x900; but i see the display overflowing from both edges (right and bottom) of the monitor |
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| 08:34.08 | spradnyesh | can someone suggest me what to do? |
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| 08:34.19 | spradnyesh | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didn't help :( |
| 08:35.15 | InvincibleCory | hi dudes |
| 08:35.18 | InvincibleCory | whats up |
| 08:35.53 | InvincibleCory | wat |
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| 08:38.57 | superjoe30 | damn I wish I would have known to get the intel wireless driver instead of now being stuck with broadcom |
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| 08:39.39 | craigevil | the sky module didnt work? |
| 08:40.33 | superjoe30 | oh I got the LAN working |
| 08:40.40 | superjoe30 | lenny did the trick, thanks for that tip |
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| 08:41.50 | OpenTokix | I went SID! |
| 08:41.54 | OpenTokix | And it feels good |
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| 08:48.41 | p1ngp0ng | aah! this is refreshing :) Debian lenny for teh win ^^ |
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| 08:53.06 | streuner_ | !nikometer p1ngp0ng |
| 08:53.06 | dpkg | p1ngp0ng has a Nike rating of rebook is teh suk |
| 08:53.37 | streuner_ | !nickometer p1ngp0ng |
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| 08:53.38 | dpkg | 'p1ngp0ng' is 37.000% lame, streuner_ |
| 08:54.05 | p1ngp0ng | streuner_: what? |
| 08:54.27 | p1ngp0ng | you got a problem? |
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| 08:54.54 | streuner_ | change your nick please, before i get eyecancer ;-) |
| 08:55.17 | p1ngp0ng | or you could just leave. this is my nick, and it will stay that way. |
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| 08:55.43 | ptman | I can't get my custom resume scripts in /etc/pm/sleep.d working |
| 08:56.17 | streuner_ | did you the script more verbose? |
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| 08:59.40 | streuner_ | ptman: http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend |
| 08:59.51 | ptman | I know, but it doesn't work |
| 09:00.36 | streuner_ | hehe |
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| 09:02.09 | streuner_ | Who wrote http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend ? |
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| 09:03.16 | vaq | streuner_: Antony Gelberg |
| 09:03.27 | streuner_ | vaq: sure, but his nick... |
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| 09:07.33 | p1ngp0ng | whats the downside of using lenny over etch? |
| 09:07.43 | Zharf | none |
| 09:07.54 | p1ngp0ng | just as i thought :) |
| 09:08.04 | wols_ | Zharf: not true |
| 09:08.21 | Zharf | wols_, bah |
| 09:08.38 | Zharf | not even sid breaks, how ccould lenny |
| 09:09.04 | p1ngp0ng | i can imagine i need to update my packages alot. that might be a downside. not from my perspective tho |
| 09:10.04 | p1ngp0ng | if there are any major bugs it will get fixed, eventually. i can live with that. also, it seems to be stable on my system |
| 09:10.13 | p1ngp0ng | so, meh. lenny seems fine |
| 09:10.41 | p1ngp0ng | please feel free to add something wols_ |
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| 09:14.53 | p1ngp0ng | i installed the icedtea-gcjwebplugin so i can use my netbank. but there seems to be some issues. when i entered the site, it asked me where to put the cache (i entered the default /tmp) but its not working. any sugestions? |
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| 09:15.31 | themill | p1ngp0ng: /msg dpkg moving target (that's why I use stable not testing) |
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| 09:17.29 | p1ngp0ng | i like the idea of working on my computer ;) |
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| 09:20.48 | p1ngp0ng | is there a way i can start iceweasel in debuging mode? |
| 09:21.47 | p1ngp0ng | i supose starting it from command line works... |
| 09:23.30 | Lagbolt | p1ngp0ng, man iceweasel . . .Debugger options |
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| 09:24.21 | msshams | postfix with dovecot can send and receive my emails successfully. but please tell me why Yahoo transfer my emails to spam folder? |
| 09:24.50 | wols_ | dynamic IP, no SPF or similar DNS entry, etc |
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| 09:27.14 | msshams | wols_: no, i have static ip. |
| 09:27.36 | wols_ | you are still in a dialup ip range, or residential ip range usually |
| 09:27.37 | petemc | do you have a ptr record that matches your domain? |
| 09:27.39 | wols_ | even with static IPs |
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| 09:28.45 | petemc | msshams: you can check your ips 'reputation' via one of the many rbl checkers |
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| 09:30.12 | msshams | petemc: but, i haven't any problem with other services like gmail. |
| 09:30.17 | liable | no reverse dns would prolly do it |
| 09:30.44 | liable | depends how the have set theirs up though |
| 09:31.16 | p1ngp0ng | aah finaly java plugin working :) |
| 09:31.18 | petemc | msshams: its a common problem |
| 09:31.20 | p1ngp0ng | finally* |
| 09:31.37 | liable | msshams: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/postmaster/postmaster-15.html |
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| 09:31.47 | p1ngp0ng | now i can see how little money i have left :P |
| 09:31.55 | liable | see note 7 |
| 09:32.04 | msshams | petemc: and this common problem hasn't any common solution? |
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| 09:40.48 | superjoe30 | is everything in /etc/modprobe.d/ executed on bootup? |
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| 09:41.28 | superjoe30 | if I need to modprobe something every time the computer boots, where do I put it? |
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| 09:42.19 | petemc | msshams: theres no silver bullet, but plenty of things you can do to help |
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| 09:43.45 | hjb | Hi all. |
| 09:44.27 | hjb | Is this a bad joke? I can't find the bash reference in info format in any package |
| 09:45.13 | hjb | I've read the changelog of bash-doc and learned that it has been removed because it's GFDL |
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| 09:45.26 | hjb | but that was in 2006! |
| 09:45.46 | nkuttler | hjb: did their license change since then? |
| 09:45.51 | hjb | nope |
| 09:45.57 | nkuttler | superjoe30: man 5 modules |
| 09:46.25 | hjb | nkuttler but some people suggested to create a package for it in non-free |
| 09:47.00 | hjb | which makes sense to me |
| 09:48.16 | hjb | Funny: http://www.gnu.org/manual/ |
| 09:48.38 | hjb | They have sorted "bash" under category "software development", not user interface :-D |
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| 09:49.08 | petemc | you have an odd idea of what makes something funny |
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| 09:50.24 | hjb | petemc Do you count bash as beeing a software development tool? |
| 09:50.50 | hjb | petemc I just think it's funny that the GNU staff do |
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| 09:51.03 | superjoe30 | nkuttler, what about an insmod? where should I put that? |
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| 09:51.22 | themill | hjb: Makes sense to me. If you actually want and need the docs for it, then you're writing a bash script. |
| 09:51.35 | miksuh | hjb: bash scripts |
| 09:52.24 | miksuh | I would put it under software development too |
| 09:52.45 | miksuh | rather than user interface |
| 09:52.57 | aidehua | Can I quickly ask an ext3 filesystem how many inodes it has? |
| 09:52.58 | nkuttler | superjoe30: nowhere? |
| 09:53.04 | hjb | Hmm, scripting is a good argument |
| 09:53.17 | aidehua | dpkg -L e2fsprogs | grep bin |
| 09:53.18 | dpkg | No packages found matching e2fsprogs | grep bin |
| 09:53.23 | aidehua | ...is the hint I was after :D |
| 09:53.24 | themill | hjb: but in part that's what the new tags are for -- /msg dpkg debtags |
| 09:54.10 | Trewas | aidehua: df -i |
| 09:54.32 | aidehua | Trewas: thanks. |
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| 09:54.52 | hjb | themill The bash package in debian is tagged as "interface", not "programming" nor "software development" ;-) |
| 09:55.18 | hjb | And i think it's the primary role of the shell to be an "interface" |
| 09:55.25 | themill | hjb: so the combination of categories and tags keeps everyone happy.... |
| 09:55.44 | hjb | but about needing the decomentation only for scripting, it may make sense to sort them under development |
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| 09:56.27 | hjb | But back to my first question: can anyone confirm that there's no info manual for bash available in any debian package? |
| 09:56.46 | hjb | So that i have to download it from gnu.org and put it manually into my info dir? |
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| 09:57.40 | spradnyesh | hello, i've a weird problem. i recently purchased a lcd (samsung 943nwx) which i'm running on debian unstable. the weird problem is that the monitor says it's running at 1440x900 and kde tells me that display is at 1440x900; but i see the display overflowing from both edges (right and bottom) of the monitor |
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| 09:57.59 | themill | dpkg: find usr/share/info/bash |
| 09:58.00 | anddam | hello |
| 09:58.24 | Lagbolt | hi |
| 09:58.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/share/info/bash' (1): (/usr/share/info/bashdb.info.gz) in devel/bashdb. |
| 09:58.43 | themill | hjb: ^^ not that I know of |
| 09:59.20 | hjb | themill it used to be there |
| 09:59.43 | hjb | themill the disappering of it made me wonder |
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| 10:00.24 | hjb | themill debian feels strange without delivering such a crucial part of documentation |
| 10:01.07 | Trewas | hjb: debian decided that some gfdl-licensed documents are not free enough, so they had to be dropped from packages in main and not all developers have bothered to make a separate non-free package |
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| 10:05.31 | hjb | Trewas I read that in the changelog of bash-doc, but decision was made two years ago |
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| 10:07.04 | Trewas | hjb: so? :) |
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| 10:07.28 | hjb | Trewas quite some time to make a package available in non-free :-) |
| 10:07.42 | nkuttler | hjb: yes, so why didn't you do it yet? |
| 10:08.01 | hjb | Trewas Am i right that maybe there's just noone who cares reading manual of bash in info format? ;-) |
| 10:08.27 | Trewas | hjb: well, at least some developers have been of opinion that the decision to drop gfdl was stupid and may have political reasons to not make the package... I have no idea if that's the case with bash |
| 10:08.35 | hjb | nkuttler I've never packaged something for debian :-/ |
| 10:09.45 | hjb | Trewas Hmm, could be. At least the maintainer hadn't answered bug reports regarding this... |
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| 10:10.26 | hjb | Trewas nkuttler If it's really a political issue i'm not into making a package of it and stamp onto someone others foot, right? |
| 10:11.23 | MadHag | scratches his head |
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| 10:17.40 | harpal | Hey I have pppoe and I have started and I am connected to pppoe, now does route shows me default gateway on ppp0 interface or eth1 interface?? |
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| 10:18.35 | superjoe30 | this is weird - when I ftp into a computer, I get the welcome and log in text, but as soon as I enter my user name, it hangs |
| 10:18.49 | superjoe30 | same thing with SSH, after I accept the key |
| 10:18.55 | Trewas | hjb: well, I'm really not sure why there is no package... other reason could be that info-pages are just not seen as very useful |
| 10:19.03 | superjoe30 | and telnet won't even connect |
| 10:19.41 | superjoe30 | I looked at the packets with wireshark, and the ftp program was sending the same packet over and over again: USER superjoe |
| 10:20.25 | superjoe30 | is this a familiar problem? |
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| 10:21.28 | crashanddie | superjoe30, define:ftp program |
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| 10:21.44 | crashanddie | superjoe30, but clearly, this is far outside the bounds of #debian |
| 10:21.45 | superjoe30 | /usr/bin/ftp |
| 10:21.50 | superjoe30 | ah that's true |
| 10:21.53 | hjb | Trewas That's what i'm not sure about. Maybe noone uses info pages anymore? |
| 10:22.09 | superjoe30 | it's got to be something simple with my ports though |
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| 10:22.45 | Trewas | hjb: I have been using linux only from 1997 so I have never used info-pages because WWW already existed :P |
| 10:23.22 | Trewas | but I guess some people find them useful |
| 10:23.32 | crashanddie | they are useful |
| 10:23.34 | hjb | Trewas :-) I'm using linux since 1998 and find browsing info pages faster than www-pages |
| 10:23.46 | crashanddie | no latency, no ads, no downtime |
| 10:23.54 | hjb | Trewas But maybe i'm using hte wrong browser or i'm some kind of retro :-D |
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| 10:24.21 | crashanddie | the information is consistent, simple, precise |
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| 10:26.58 | hjb | crashanddie plus better searching features than with multi-node html |
| 10:27.13 | lxsameer | i have update etch-> lenny . now just one of my users cant halt or reboot or logout from system via xserver . i just see a black screen |
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| 10:28.36 | mbroeker | lxsameer, does the xserver appear? |
| 10:30.03 | mbroeker | had a blackscreen after using video-overlay only... |
| 10:30.20 | lxsameer | mbroeker : just i see mouse cursor |
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| 10:32.10 | simonrvn | install acpid |
| 10:32.26 | simonrvn | the h/w isn't getting the reboot signal |
| 10:33.09 | lxsameer | simonrvn: how can i install that ? via runlevel? |
| 10:33.26 | simonrvn | aptitude |
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| 10:33.55 | lxsameer | simonrvn: i have that w8 |
| 10:34.02 | simonrvn | sec, i'll give you the package instead of making you look for it |
| 10:34.22 | simonrvn | heh, acpid =;) |
| 10:35.19 | simonrvn | then it should reboot shutdown normally. i wonder why you need that installed... did the kernel people move that out to luserland? |
| 10:35.19 | lxsameer | simonrvn: http://phpfi.com/354807 |
| 10:35.30 | simonrvn | and this is what? |
| 10:36.01 | lxsameer | simonrvn: it is output of ps aux command that show me i have acpid install and running |
| 10:36.33 | simonrvn | ok. you didn't need to pastebin that, but thanks. |
| 10:36.35 | lxsameer | simonrvn: i can understand u about luserland |
| 10:36.50 | simonrvn | kernel space vs. user space |
| 10:36.52 | lxsameer | simonrvn: thank u for helping dud |
| 10:37.01 | simonrvn | e |
| 10:37.11 | lxsameer | simonrvn: so what should i do? |
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| 10:41.07 | simonrvn | lxsameer: i don't have time to help much more, but i'll point you at a couple of things. are they allowed to reboot the machine? i.e., are they in sudo, a group that allows them to run shutdown (man shutdown). how are they shutting down? from gdm, or manually? check the former is running correctly if the first way. maybe you need to modprobe a driver or two so acpid works better - i don't know what h/w you have, so i can't tell you. |
| 10:41.16 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 10:41.54 | simonrvn | you could look up google, on mailing lists, to see if anyone else has seen this, and a fix. |
| 10:41.57 | simonrvn | good luck. |
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| 10:42.27 | lxsameer | simonrvn: thanks for time |
| 10:44.18 | mbroeker | lxsameer, paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 10:45.54 | spradnyesh | hello, i've a weird problem. i recently purchased a lcd (samsung 943nwx) which i'm running on debian unstable. the weird problem is that the monitor says it's running at 1440x900 and kde tells me that display is at 1440x900; but i see the display overflowing from both edges (right and bottom) of the monitor |
| 10:46.06 | web-user87 | Hi ALL |
| 10:46.12 | spradnyesh | can someone plz help me w/ this? |
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| 10:47.07 | goodjoy1003 | bye all |
| 10:47.08 | lxsameer | mbroeker :http://phpfi.com/354814 |
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| 10:47.37 | xoz_ | spradnyesh: adjust manually from the lcd button? |
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| 10:50.06 | ptman | why can't I get my script run on resume? I've tried writing a script in the style of those found in /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d and placing it in /etc/pm/sleep.d |
| 10:50.11 | ptman | I'm using sid btw. |
| 10:51.32 | hjb | lxsameer What happens if you hit CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE? |
| 10:51.53 | hjb | lxsameer At the screen where only the mouse courser is left? |
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| 10:52.05 | mbroeker | lxsameer, refering to your paste, your nvidia driver is up and running. there are to "mistakes" in your config file, missing logo and a misspelled option, but the rest is fine... |
| 10:52.26 | lxsameer | hjb : what should happen ? should i do that now? |
| 10:52.51 | lxsameer | mbroeker: how can i fix them? |
| 10:53.08 | lxsameer | mbroeker: i have that problem just with one of my users |
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| 10:53.41 | hjb | lxsameer Normally, the xserver should get restarted |
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| 10:54.00 | mbroeker | lxsameer, reinstall the nvidia driver(to make sure it doesn't depend on the driver itself, the black screen issue) |
| 10:54.09 | hjb | lxsameer Or maybe your system shuts down because it's wating for the xserver to finish |
| 10:54.17 | mbroeker | hjb, it worked :) |
| 10:54.25 | JyZyXEL | where are all the freenodes audio coders? |
| 10:55.01 | hjb | mbroeker ohh :-) |
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| 10:55.17 | spradnyesh | xoz_: lcd doesn't allow me to do that :( |
| 10:55.36 | mbroeker | wb lxsameer :P |
| 10:55.52 | spradnyesh | xoz_: it says "optimal mode is 1440x900", it doesn't even allow me to go to console :( |
| 10:55.52 | lxsameer | hjb: it restart the x server and kde starting |
| 10:56.23 | hjb | lxsameer After issuing a "logout" or a "reboot" ? |
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| 10:56.49 | lxsameer | hjb : no after pressing those keys |
| 10:57.33 | hjb | lxsameer Sorry :) What i was asking was what have you done before pressing those keys? |
| 10:57.41 | mbroeker | that's the purpose of these key combination |
| 10:58.05 | lxsameer | hjb: yes |
| 10:58.27 | mbroeker | lxsameer, reinstall the nvidia driver(to make sure it doesn't depend on the driver itself, the black screen issue) |
| 10:58.59 | hjb | mbroeker do you think so? lxsameer says it happens only with one of his users |
| 10:59.10 | hjb | lxsameer did you test it with other users? |
| 10:59.17 | lxsameer | mbroeker: ^ |
| 10:59.36 | lxsameer | hjb : yeah , |
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| 10:59.53 | mbroeker | hjb, it won't hurt you :) |
| 10:59.58 | simonrvn | so probably needs to fix something in their x/kde/gnome/whatever |
| 11:01.10 | lxsameer | i already replace some data in home directory with fresh one like .kde .config but nothing happen |
| 11:01.53 | hjb | lxsameer can you issue a "logout" and then switch to a virtual console? |
| 11:02.13 | hjb | lxsameer and then run "top" to see if some program is hanging? |
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| 11:02.19 | lxsameer | hjb : yes , |
| 11:02.37 | lxsameer | hjb : there is some thing more |
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| 11:02.54 | hjb | lxsameer yes? |
| 11:03.25 | lxsameer | hjb: i set the permission of reboot and halt command to 4777 and then from that user i can reboot or halt via Konsole or xterm |
| 11:03.27 | hjb | mbroeker That's true, won't hurt :-) |
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| 11:03.41 | lxsameer | hjb : i say yes about virtual console |
| 11:03.57 | hjb | lxsameer don't change the permissions of those |
| 11:04.03 | cranksmr | What does configuring makedevs do during install? My compu froze at that point. (Lenny beta 2 install). |
| 11:04.19 | lxsameer | hjb : why? |
| 11:05.31 | hjb | lxsameer because their default permissions are quite ok |
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| 11:06.05 | hjb | lxsameer with your permissions every normal user can overwrite them and destoy them |
| 11:06.05 | lxsameer | hjb : i know that but i should halt or reboot some how from that user |
| 11:06.24 | hjb | lxsameer yeah, but there are other qays to do that |
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| 11:06.51 | lxsameer | hjb : qays? |
| 11:07.02 | hjb | lxsameer uh, s/q/w :-) |
| 11:07.14 | hjb | ways |
| 11:07.20 | lxsameer | hjb: so can u tell me how please? |
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| 11:09.30 | testi | I want to run aspell non-interactively |
| 11:11.08 | hjb | lxsameer normally you would run them via sudo |
| 11:11.31 | hjb | lxsameer add the user to /etc/sudoers and then you can run halt and reboot through sudo |
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| 11:11.45 | hjb | lxsameer But you said that you're using KDE, right? |
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| 11:12.05 | lxsameer | hjb : thanks , but do u have any idea about my problem |
| 11:12.13 | hjb | lxsameer There you'd want to klick the "shutdown" button instand of typing commands ;-) |
| 11:13.00 | hjb | lxsameer maybe there's some programm hanging or not quitting correctly running in backround |
| 11:13.11 | hjb | lxsameer which prevents your session to finish |
| 11:13.29 | hjb | lxsameer resulting in that screen with only the mouse courser shown |
| 11:14.24 | hjb | lxsameer So, when your at the screen with only the mouse courser left, |
| 11:15.06 | hjb | lxsameer switch to a virtual console by pressing CTRL-ALT-F6 (you can come back to the xserver by pressing CTRL-ALT-F7) |
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| 11:15.31 | hjb | lxsameer log into the console, and then investigate which processes are running with "top" or "ps" |
| 11:15.50 | hjb | lxsameer maybe there's something hanging, something suspicious |
| 11:16.09 | hjb | lxsameer if you can't find, paste the output of ps -ef |
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| 11:16.31 | abbe | hi all |
| 11:16.41 | Python1320 | host7:~# ip gives -bash: ip: command not found |
| 11:16.41 | Python1320 | What is wrong? Or is the "ip" command removed. Yes, I'm root and my paths are correct. Whereis doesn't return anything either |
| 11:16.44 | Python1320 | is confused |
| 11:16.50 | abbe | is debian lenny stable enough for new users ? |
| 11:17.01 | abbe | I've a friend who is not connected to internet, and wanted to try out GNU/Linux |
| 11:17.29 | abbe | he is also looking for some C/C++ development stuff |
| 11:18.10 | superjoe30 | abbe, I just tried to install etch, and failed, and then installed lenny instead, because it actually worked |
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| 11:20.31 | tarzeau | abbe: i'd say so, yes |
| 11:20.48 | abbe | superjoe30, tarzeau: cool :) |
| 11:21.00 | tarzeau | abbe: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 11:21.05 | abbe | I've to download debian in CDs, any ideas what CDs should I download ? |
| 11:21.28 | abbe | to get GNOME + Oo.o + IM clients + build-essential, hmm... |
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| 11:27.36 | craigevil | abbe: with no net access you would probably be better off using one of the distros like ubuntu, pclinuxos,sidux, etc that are a single cd/dvd OS |
| 11:28.48 | petemc | you can get debian on dvd |
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| 11:29.23 | abbe | craigevil: okay :( |
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| 11:30.25 | superjoe30 | the weird FTP thing doesn't happen when I switch from wireless to ethernet |
| 11:30.26 | abrotman | and you can get debian on a liveCD |
| 11:30.41 | superjoe30 | is my router secretly blocking ports? |
| 11:30.42 | cranksmr | Lenny failed on makedevs conf during install on my compu |
| 11:31.19 | abrotman | cranksmr: you're using udev |
| 11:31.34 | cranksmr | ?udev? |
| 11:32.02 | abrotman | abbe: why don't you have net access? |
| 11:32.31 | cranksmr | abrotman whats that mean in more common terms? |
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| 11:32.47 | abrotman | cranksmr: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 11:32.55 | abbe | abrotman: actually it is a dial-up there, though broadband will be available there in 3-4 months |
| 11:33.05 | abbe | abrotman: that is a remote place. |
| 11:33.49 | MadHag | dialup, man thats cruel |
| 11:33.52 | ptman | I installed on an encrypted filesystem using the lenny installer |
| 11:34.13 | abrotman | abbe: and what's the goal of the installation? |
| 11:34.22 | ptman | now I would like to have a rescue shell using the installer, but it doesn't open the volume using the correct passphrase |
| 11:34.36 | MadHag | I live in the pyrenees mountains and I have a 1 megbit connection |
| 11:35.00 | MadHag | thankful for it too |
| 11:35.57 | abbe | abrotman: he wants to replace his M$ windows, which is used for reading documents, C/C++/shell programming in his CS course. |
| 11:36.15 | MadHag | abbe, you only need the first cd to install |
| 11:36.31 | abbe | MadHag: so, that has build-essential, hmm...? |
| 11:36.33 | abrotman | abbe: if you use CD1/DVD1 .. you should have enough to do basic tasks .. |
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| 11:37.17 | cranksmr | abrotman I am trying to 1) get my comp working, 2) install debian again, 3) understand what makedevs is or does? |
| 11:37.35 | abbe | abrotman: okay. |
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| 11:37.57 | abbe | thanks MadHag, abrotman, tarzeau and craigevil :) |
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| 11:38.21 | abrotman | cranksmr: yes .. i'm confused on the "get my computer working" and how that relates to you trying to create device nodes manually |
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| 11:40.01 | qq- | all (~30 cd ...;)) |
| 11:40.28 | abrotman | oh ffs .. |
| 11:40.29 | qq- | oops, sorry . |
| 11:41.53 | cranksmr | abrotman Ignore that. My compu has hardware problems. I have not tried to make nodes manally. I have used lenny beta 2 install as stated above. |
| 11:42.01 | cranksmr | +u |
| 11:42.18 | abrotman | so the makedev is for? |
| 11:42.33 | abrotman | maybe you sohuld start with how it's broken .. and how you think we can help you fix it |
| 11:42.48 | cranksmr | abrotman well, Lenny Beta 2 KDE install freezes at 'configuring makedev' |
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| 11:43.00 | abrotman | when booting ? |
| 11:43.10 | abrotman | or logging into KDE ? |
| 11:43.11 | cranksmr | +/s. When installing base system. |
| 11:43.14 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 11:43.26 | abrotman | and you've got a brand spanking new system ? |
| 11:43.59 | cranksmr | I want to know what makedevs does so I can troubleshoot. |
| 11:43.59 | cranksmr | 10 months old system. |
| 11:44.09 | abrotman | AFAIK .. that's making the device nodes in /dev/ .. you might want to wander over to #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net and ask them |
| 11:44.17 | abrotman | cranksmr: did you also try a daily? |
| 11:44.24 | cranksmr | No. |
| 11:44.30 | abrotman | cranksmr: i believe they just released an RC1 also .. the beta2 is a few months old |
| 11:44.43 | abrotman | yay progress |
| 11:44.56 | cranksmr | abrotman so, maybe my compus north/south bridge is the problems instead of broken integrated nic. |
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| 11:45.39 | cranksmr | abrotman thanks for the clue, btw! |
| 11:48.16 | dustybin | when will debian server reach the high professional level of ubuntu server? |
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| 11:48.28 | OpenTokix | dustybin: HAHAHAHAHHAHA! |
| 11:48.31 | dustybin | </troll> |
| 11:48.34 | OpenTokix | dustybin: you are killing me here |
| 11:50.20 | linostar | !start a distro war |
| 11:50.20 | dpkg | well, start a distro war is Debian Rulz |
| 11:50.31 | linostar | !start a distro war |
| 11:50.31 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 11:50.50 | astraljava | Heh. :) |
| 11:50.55 | astraljava | That's a good one. |
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| 11:52.48 | flower2 | I want to open a java program, with 'open with', where should I point to? |
| 11:53.06 | flower2 | in dolphin |
| 11:53.26 | flower2 | where is jave (runtime?) installed? |
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| 11:53.51 | wfq_ | hello guys |
| 11:54.16 | wfq_ | is there any problem with this: deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main ? |
| 11:54.21 | petemc | flower2: /usr/bin/java |
| 11:54.23 | wfq_ | I can't get my system updated |
| 11:54.39 | wfq_ | Can I swap it for another one that works |
| 11:55.11 | flower2 | petemc: thanks, but it doesn't launch |
| 11:55.29 | hjb | wfq_ What's the exact error you're getting? |
| 11:55.33 | petemc | flower2: did you install java? |
| 11:55.42 | hjb | wfq_ That line works for me |
| 11:56.16 | wfq_ | hjb, when I do apt-get update, the system stop at this url saying 99% but it does not make any progress anymore |
| 11:56.17 | flower2 | petemc: yes |
| 11:56.25 | astraljava | flower2: How did you come to possession of the program? Is it a .jar file? If so, then you need to invoke it with "java -jar <program.jar>" |
| 11:56.31 | abrotman | flower2: what is dolphin ? |
| 11:56.43 | abrotman | flower2: you want to run the java program? or open the source code? |
| 11:56.49 | astraljava | flower2: Might wanna set some additional parameters, such as -Xmax256M or something. |
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| 11:57.18 | hjb | wfq_ strange, works like a charm over here |
| 11:57.35 | hjb | wfq_ i don't know if there're mirrors for the security updates thought |
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| 11:57.54 | wfq_ | hjb, I will google, thanks |
| 11:57.58 | hramrach | `Hello |
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| 11:58.07 | hramrach | Is there something like hiew |
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| 11:58.46 | Legality | what does the key "w" do in top? |
| 11:58.49 | hramrach | I want to disassemble a bootsector. I have a howto for patching it but I need something to apply the patch |
| 11:58.51 | Legality | does it update the top immediately? |
| 11:59.00 | craigevil | wfq_: you can try deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib |
| 11:59.02 | abrotman | Legality: i'm sure top has a man page |
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| 11:59.13 | abrotman | judd: hiya! |
| 11:59.22 | hatredx | hello |
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| 11:59.48 | wfq_ | craigevil, I was thinking about it but I was afraid if it would have already any difference between both since lenny will go in stable |
| 12:00.01 | niasha | http://phpfi.com/354826 when i try to compile the intel vga driver i get that error |
| 12:00.10 | hatredx | you tell me ;) |
| 12:00.16 | craigevil | wfq_: not at the moment |
| 12:00.29 | hramrach | well, perhaps running the real hiew in dosemu in Windows console emulator is an option.. |
| 12:00.30 | wfq_ | craigevil, thanks a lot |
| 12:00.41 | flower2 | java -jar Fantasia-0.8a-cvs3.jar worked |
| 12:00.49 | judd | abrotman: Error: "hiya!" is not a valid command. |
| 12:01.12 | hjb | wfq_ Lenny will go in stable? |
| 12:01.19 | astraljava | flower2: Good to hear. |
| 12:01.29 | flower2 | thanks |
| 12:01.35 | wfq_ | hjb, well you should ask someone else here |
| 12:01.50 | wols_ | judd: what are you doing here? |
| 12:01.51 | judd | wols_: Error: "what" is not a valid command. |
| 12:01.51 | Legality | abrotman: is it allowed to use a vacuum cleaner if you're nude? |
| 12:02.08 | wols_ | abrotman: shouldn't you do something? |
| 12:02.10 | wfq_ | but I think I have read it by the end of this year or whatever so but I am not quite sure. Ask wols_, abrotman or whoever expertise in here |
| 12:02.38 | hjb | wfq_ Ok, thanks |
| 12:02.48 | hjb | Anone: lenny will go stable by the end of the year? |
| 12:02.52 | linostar | !tell hjb about wwlr |
| 12:03.20 | cranksmr | Let us consult the spirits.... |
| 12:03.25 | hjb | linostar thanks |
| 12:03.43 | cranksmr | Oh spirits! Will Lenny go stable by the end of the year?!?! |
| 12:04.05 | craigevil | one would hope |
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| 12:05.50 | hjb | Ok, i begin to understand now that i know about WIR and SIYH :-D |
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| 12:09.08 | abrotman | cranksmr: if you start fixing bugs! |
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| 12:11.17 | logd | Hi - what's wrong with this rule: iptables A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -o $INTIF -p tcp --dport $PORT -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 12:11.17 | logd | iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d $EXTIP --dport $PORT -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j DNAT --to $PORTFWIP:$PORT |
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| 12:11.41 | hramrach | there's certainly no - before A |
| 12:11.45 | logd | it should fwd any incoming connection form internet to a client in the lan who run a web server |
| 12:12.16 | logd | missend copying to xchat ;) but there's in the rule |
| 12:12.17 | dustybin | is it possible to PXE boot more than one client using different operating systems on the same network? |
| 12:12.40 | idimmu | what |
| 12:12.43 | hramrach | you may need to allow the port if you do not allow incoming traffic by default |
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| 12:13.00 | idimmu | dustybin: pretty sure the answer is yes but ive no idea what your question is |
| 12:13.16 | logd | yeah but the fpollowing lines won't do jus that ? |
| 12:13.29 | cranksmr | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWrmosittYk |
| 12:13.32 | cranksmr | oops |
| 12:13.33 | hramrach | also I would not fiddle with states and just let through any packet destined for the port |
| 12:13.35 | petemc | dustybin: you give specific macs specific ip addresses, then the ip addresses correspond to the file they use to boot |
| 12:13.41 | cranksmr | wrong channel |
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| 12:15.18 | dustybin | petemc: ok thanks |
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| 12:15.48 | hramrach | logd: I suggest you use tcpdump or add log rules to see where the packets are seen and where they get lost |
| 12:15.55 | abrotman | logd: try #iptables |
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| 12:17.24 | logd | abrotman, it looks like none of the 85 member's alive |
| 12:17.32 | abrotman | logd: still a way better place to ask |
| 12:17.33 | hramrach | logd: I can upload the script I use somewhere if you want to look at it |
| 12:17.45 | logd | yeah thsnk you |
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| 12:20.33 | qq- | ot! judd is an official supybot here ? |
| 12:20.43 | darx_ | hi.. i need to install debian via wireless network.. is it possible without having to roll my own bootcd? would ubuntu live suffice? |
| 12:20.56 | darx_ | my wireless card is intel ipw2200 |
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| 12:21.53 | abrotman | qq-: OFTC called, they want you back |
| 12:22.05 | hramrach | logd: http://hramrach.czweb.org/firewall |
| 12:22.27 | hramrach | the shaping is not finished and broken but the dnat should be OK |
| 12:23.13 | qq- | abrotman: heh |
| 12:23.17 | darx_ | also.. would running sid be a bad idea for a home computer? |
| 12:23.20 | abrotman | i wasn't joking |
| 12:23.30 | qq- | ? |
| 12:24.18 | qq- | abrotman: no one know me there ,except you |
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| 12:29.36 | hramrach | logd: I have removed most of the shaping so hte script now fits on ~1.5 screen ;-) |
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| 12:30.36 | hramrach | and note that sis900 is real interface name on my machine, you will probably have something like eth0 |
| 12:31.22 | logd | hramrach, ty but does it takes this much to just fwd a port ??? |
| 12:31.45 | hramrach | Plus the snat I use does work regardless of the external address the box is assigned. However, it is less efficient than other snat which uses the IP number |
| 12:31.58 | wfq_ | hi guys |
| 12:32.10 | hramrach | logd: no, this is a full firewalling script but it also does fort forwarding, ie of port 2222 |
| 12:32.55 | wfq_ | I wan to install tomcat via debian packages but I think the dependencies need to install java also via debian packages. Is that true in this pastebin please? http://dpaste.com/79145/ |
| 12:33.50 | logd | ok then $iptables -t filter -I FORWARD -p tcp --dport $tport -j ACCEPT |
| 12:33.51 | logd | $iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport $dport -j DNAT \ |
| 12:33.51 | logd | --to-destination ${NETPREF}.${addr}:${tport} is the fwd part right ? |
| 12:34.18 | hramrach | yes, you allow packets coming to the port and then do the nat |
| 12:34.45 | logd | but this is the same rule i applied and i can't get it to work :( |
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| 12:34.58 | hramrach | but you have to enable forwarding (as done earlier in the scritp) and allow forwarding by default (not set restrictive policy in forward chains) |
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| 12:36.03 | logd | hramrach, to place 1 in the file ^? |
| 12:36.09 | hramrach | yes |
| 12:36.12 | logd | did it |
| 12:36.35 | dustybin | å~ |
| 12:36.38 | logd | may soe rule in ipmasq conflict with these new ? |
| 12:36.43 | afaict | Hi folks. I can not get Racoon working with NAT transversal. Do you have any tip or documentation ? ive already searched on google. I keep getting NAT-D payload #1 doesn't match |
| 12:36.45 | logd | some* |
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| 12:37.22 | hramrach | it should not, the masqis done in the oether direction. Unless you translate to multiple IPs |
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| 12:39.31 | hramrach | logd: this is the third rule which is done as part of the allowed_* : |
| 12:39.45 | hramrach | $iptables -t filter -I INPUT -p tcp --dport $i -j ACCEPT |
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| 12:44.47 | logd | mmm still notinh :( |
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| 12:47.45 | Yorlik | Which version of debian should i use for a 64-bit Xeon system ? I only find AMD64 |
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| 12:48.44 | afaict | Yorlik AMD64 will work find for 64-bit Xeon. I did it here with quad-core xeon. |
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| 12:48.53 | afaict | Yorlik will work fine. |
| 12:49.02 | Yorlik | Nice. <<== is happy now |
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| 12:50.26 | wfq_ | guys, when you want to install tomcat without using the java libraries that debian install by default how do you do it? Or simply you just download the tomcat form the official wel page of tomcat |
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| 12:51.17 | nosferatuz | multiseat?????? |
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| 12:52.03 | abrotman | nosferatuz: real question?!? |
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| 12:54.07 | aidehua | What is companies house form 403a for? |
| 12:54.32 | beardy | You're two days ahead, go away. |
| 12:54.34 | abrotman | aidehua: wrong channel ? |
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| 12:54.39 | cx42net | Hi ! |
| 12:54.43 | beardy | No. |
| 12:55.11 | cx42net | I'd like to know if it's possible to install php5-gd without x11-common. |
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| 12:55.19 | abrotman | why? it won't hurt anything |
| 12:55.28 | abrotman | it's not installing X |
| 12:55.53 | cx42net | abrotman: but php5-gd need a lots of x11 paquets |
| 12:55.58 | aidehua | #debian knows everything -- I thought I'd ask here, that's all :) |
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| 12:56.02 | abrotman | so? they won't hurt anything |
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| 12:56.03 | EmleyMoor | dpkg has a factoid on rebuilding packages with new options - can anyone remember what it is? |
| 12:56.04 | dpkg | You are moron #7, EmleyMoor |
| 12:56.14 | beardy | :) |
| 12:56.18 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: in the rules file? |
| 12:56.42 | abrotman | !tell EmleyMoor about debian/rules |
| 12:56.47 | aidehua | (I'd ask on #bash, where they'd almost definitely know, but greycat would shout at me.) |
| 12:56.52 | abrotman | aidehua: go away |
| 12:57.04 | cx42net | and apparently, the thing is php5-gd has the facility to render text within images, drawing text requires font support, font support on debian is handled through some X11 utilities and the X11 utils rely on some core X11 libraries ... |
| 12:57.26 | abrotman | so install it already |
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| 12:57.34 | abrotman | it's not going to be running X |
| 12:57.36 | shreddi | err, thats odd - isnt echo \n supposed to write a blank line ? |
| 12:57.58 | cx42net | shreddi: echo "\n" yes, echo '\n' no |
| 12:58.21 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: Not sure that's what I seek but I will try my build now anyway |
| 12:58.23 | abrotman | shreddi: try just "echo" |
| 12:58.31 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: apt-biuld maybe? |
| 12:58.34 | abrotman | erm .. build |
| 12:59.25 | shreddi | hm weird, it gives me an \n |
| 12:59.40 | aidehua | shreddi: echo -e "\n" |
| 12:59.54 | beardy | shreddi: No. 'echo -e \n' will though. Please read the manual. |
| 12:59.57 | abrotman | just type "echo" |
| 12:59.58 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: You don't know of any simple way to add ilbc to asterisk, do you? |
| 12:59.58 | cx42net | abrotman: php5-gd need libx11-6 libx11-data libxau6 libxdmcp6 libxpm4 x11-common, for a non graphical server, why does php5-gd need these :/ ? |
| 13:00.03 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: no |
| 13:00.13 | abrotman | cx42net: you're not installing a graphical interface |
| 13:00.16 | abrotman | you're installing libraries |
| 13:00.19 | shreddi | just echo is fine, thx :) -e works fine either |
| 13:00.23 | beardy | abrotman: It's still annoying. |
| 13:00.31 | abrotman | great .. file a bug |
| 13:00.43 | abrotman | make it so that php-gd is a huge stinking pile of static |
| 13:00.50 | cx42net | abrotman: so these libs will not be started ? it's like the "Open-id" package in zend framework, I have it but not always using it ? |
| 13:00.52 | EmleyMoor | dpkg-buildpackage does my build of course |
| 13:01.03 | abrotman | cx42net: try it .. you'll see .. |
| 13:01.08 | beardy | cx42net: Started? They will just be installed, taking up space. |
| 13:01.13 | EmleyMoor | (I have a patched chan_zap.c anyway!) |
| 13:01.19 | abrotman | cx42net: if it makes you feel better .. make a list and remove them to double check or whatever |
| 13:01.27 | abrotman | they're just libraries |
| 13:01.35 | aidehua | cx42net: because php5-gd uses libt1-5 to do something with fonts, and "T1lib is based on the X11R5 font rasterizer code, but operates independently of X11." |
| 13:01.42 | beardy | abrotman: No. Just curious why, as he is. |
| 13:01.57 | cx42net | abrotman: the point is I don't care of space lost by these libs, It's just from the rule that more file I have, more my system is vulnerable, thats it |
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| 13:02.13 | abrotman | libgd is a graphics library .. so it kind of makes sense that it might need some sort of graphic routines that are already defined in the xlibs ? |
| 13:02.14 | beardy | cx42net: That's not true either. |
| 13:02.23 | cx42net | beardy: why ? :) |
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| 13:03.27 | beardy | cx42net: Because they are not binaries, they are not doing anything. And if you're afraid of that, I hope you are running some tripwiring thing on the important libs. |
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| 13:03.33 | dani___ | hi all |
| 13:03.35 | cx42net | beardy: the fact that x11-common is intalled doesn't mean it will be launched and vulnerable so ? Am I right , |
| 13:03.36 | cx42net | ? |
| 13:03.42 | abrotman | i said that three times |
| 13:03.48 | dani___ | where I could config the network in the 4.0 ? |
| 13:03.55 | beardy | cx42net: As abrotman said. |
| 13:03.55 | abrotman | !tell dani___ about interfaces |
| 13:04.02 | dani___ | thanks |
| 13:04.10 | cx42net | abrotman: I'm slow to understand but fast to learn ;) |
| 13:04.12 | abrotman | nosferatuz: do not msg me |
| 13:04.24 | abrotman | !tell nosferatuz about es |
| 13:04.32 | cx42net | Ok so, thanks to you abrotman and beardy :) |
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| 13:10.43 | dani___ | abrotman: I changed my network conf |
| 13:10.51 | dani___ | how to restart the service ? |
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| 13:10.58 | dani___ | is there a init script ? |
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| 13:11.19 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 13:11.33 | dani___ | mmm it doen't work |
| 13:11.39 | abrotman | need more info |
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| 13:13.36 | pumpkin0 | Made a big mistake: i installed koffice on lenny. koffice pulled in sane, sane updated udev and now udev no longer starts. Is there a mapping which kernel works with which udev-version? |
| 13:14.01 | dani___ | abrotman: ok syntax error |
| 13:14.02 | dani___ | :) |
| 13:14.03 | dani___ | thanks |
| 13:14.09 | abrotman | soundsl ike your fault |
| 13:14.29 | dani___ | sure |
| 13:16.04 | abrotman | pumpkin0: are other packages being held back? |
| 13:17.03 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: maybe. How can i get a list? |
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| 13:17.22 | abrotman | if you run `aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade` .. how many will be updated? |
| 13:17.39 | abrotman | wait ... you can't boot the system can you? |
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| 13:18.09 | pumpkin0 | 789 packages upgraded, 289 newly installed, 15 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 13:18.22 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: i can boot but w/o networking, GFX, ... |
| 13:19.46 | justin | pumpkin0: unless you are using wireless you should be able to easily get networking going by loading your nic driver |
| 13:20.02 | pumpkin0 | justin: guess what ... ipw2200 |
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| 13:20.12 | justin | pumpkin0: ah well, that will be harder :) |
| 13:20.22 | justin | pumpkin0: you still have the old udev deb in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 13:20.58 | pumpkin0 | justin: no. |
| 13:21.06 | MadHag | anybody know some clamav commands |
| 13:21.32 | abrotman | MadHag: man clamav |
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| 13:21.40 | abrotman | pumpkin0: uh .. WHAT? |
| 13:21.59 | MadHag | thnaks |
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| 13:22.06 | MadHag | *thanks |
| 13:22.08 | cousin_luigi | hello |
| 13:22.32 | MadHag | no entry for clamav |
| 13:23.25 | pumpkin0 | justin: i still have a old kernel running cause it works better with this hardware. And the new udev 0.125 bails out cause the kernel is too old. I can blow the power-saving and update the kernel or downgrade the udev. I want to try the downgrade first. |
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| 13:23.36 | enouf | pumpkin0: er, how old? |
| 13:23.45 | carbonize | try 'man clamscan' @ MadHag |
| 13:23.53 | carbonize | or clamscan --help |
| 13:24.09 | pumpkin0 | enouf: 2.6.15. udev 0.125 needs 2.6.18 |
| 13:24.19 | enouf | pumpkin0: i've run 2.6.16 with sid software no prob |
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| 13:24.34 | pumpkin0 | enouf: which udev? |
| 13:24.38 | enouf | ii udev 0.105-4 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon <-- guess i got an old udev :-P |
| 13:24.39 | cousin_luigi | will lenny be out this month? |
| 13:24.47 | enouf | but, you should use a new kernel |
| 13:24.56 | nevagonnagiveuup | !start a distro war |
| 13:24.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, start a distro war is Debian Rulz |
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| 13:25.08 | enouf | pumpkin0: i went from .16 -> .18 -> .26 now :-) |
| 13:25.16 | nevagonnagiveuup | !start a distro war |
| 13:25.16 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
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| 13:25.47 | carbonize | LOL |
| 13:25.48 | SparFux | Hi. In Debian, where do I put data like mp3 and video which is accessible to all users on the system? /home doesn't seem to be the right place.. |
| 13:25.49 | pumpkin0 | enouf: well, i have bug reports against 2.6.16, 17, 19, 20, 22 and 23... some fatal, some about power-saving, some about performance. |
| 13:25.52 | stew | cousin_luigi: not likely |
| 13:26.18 | enouf | pumpkin0: hrm .. well, go grab an older udev then, i guess |
| 13:26.50 | pumpkin0 | enouf: yes, but i have no idea which version was installed before koffice updated the stuff ? |
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| 13:27.22 | enouf | pumpkin0: i also recently ripped out the 3vil binary nvidia blob, nothing but a mess that thing is - installed fine, --purge removed ok, but when using it? what a dump it is |
| 13:27.36 | nevagonnagiveuup | Debian vs Fedora - GO! |
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| 13:27.48 | agoodNando | Hello. |
| 13:27.48 | anddam | hello |
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| 13:27.52 | enouf | pumpkin0: seems you're on a fence - enjoy the pickets :-P |
| 13:27.52 | SparFux | I am so stupid, I bought a new harddrive, 750GB, but I had everything twice on the other 320GB harddrives :-) |
| 13:28.07 | cousin_luigi | stew: would within next month be a more likely occurrence? |
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| 13:28.23 | anddam | I launch vncserver at start using crontab and @reboot but the environment is somehow odd |
| 13:28.32 | nevagonnagiveuup | what makes debian better than fedora? |
| 13:28.33 | stew | cousin_luigi: a more likely but still not likely occurance |
| 13:28.38 | cousin_luigi | I see |
| 13:28.43 | anddam | new terminal has "sh-3.$" prompt rather than "\u@\h $" |
| 13:28.44 | abrotman | !tell nevagonnagiveuup about why debian |
| 13:29.02 | Kobaz | how do you turn off suhosin in apache for php[ |
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| 13:29.15 | anddam | this unless I start it by hand, why is that? how can I workaround this so bash rc files are loaded with @reboot? |
| 13:29.17 | agoodNando | 'Amarok: [Loader] Don't run gdb, valgrind, etc. against this binary! Use amarokapp." And it won't go beyond. I could not find any (solved) on this issue on the web. Any idea ? (I'm using lenny) |
| 13:29.17 | Kobaz | all these false-positives are killing me |
| 13:29.31 | stew | !tell cousin_luigi about lenny status |
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| 13:31.09 | cousin_luigi | stew: nice:) |
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| 13:32.20 | dani___ | what do u suggest me for a basic windowmanager ? |
| 13:32.29 | dani___ | I mean ... to install in a server |
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| 13:32.36 | dani___ | fluxbox ? |
| 13:32.38 | qq- | wm |
| 13:32.44 | dani___ | windowmaker |
| 13:32.53 | agoodNando | xmonad :) |
| 13:32.56 | dani___ | is it alive ? |
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| 13:33.39 | Lagbolt | blackbo |
| 13:33.39 | Lagbolt | x |
| 13:33.49 | anddam | dani___: I think so but doesn't it need gnustep as dependency? |
| 13:33.55 | agoodNando | tty |
| 13:34.05 | Lagbolt | dani___, how bout no window manager. . . run your server via ssh ;) |
| 13:34.05 | anddam | blackbox or fluxbox are better suited probably |
| 13:34.11 | anddam | agoodNando: ion3 |
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| 13:35.00 | agoodNando | anddam: Never used ion3, but I think it is a tilled WM like xmonad, right ? |
| 13:35.11 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:35.23 | justin | xmonad is a tiling window manager like ion :-P |
| 13:35.37 | abrotman | and try not to make his life more difficult by suggesting a tiled WM .. they're mildly confusing until you go looking for them on your own :) |
| 13:35.41 | anddam | ratpoison |
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| 13:35.58 | agoodNando | :) |
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| 13:36.17 | agoodNando | Fluxbox is kind of easy to configure. |
| 13:36.20 | Ooble | 'Lo all. |
| 13:36.22 | anddam | it is |
| 13:36.40 | agoodNando | Easier than opebox. |
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| 13:37.01 | agoodNando | But openbox is more powerful |
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| 13:38.19 | logd | hramrach, uninst ipmasq and now iptables -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -o $INTIF -p tcp --dport $PORT -j ACCEPT |
| 13:38.19 | logd | iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d $EXTIP --dport $PORT -j DNAT --to $PORTFWIP:$PORT alone fwd perfectly but now how do i provide internet access to the clients ? |
| 13:38.57 | enouf | On a level of 1-25 (25 being "you've been rooted you w33ni3"), how dangerous would you say it is to setuid root (4755) on binaries, such as mplayer for e.g.? I ask because while toying with various Framebuffers and Video interfaces in Console (svga, directfb, vidia, cvidix, vesa, etc), and trying to play video, many times there are "Operation not permitted" or such messages, |
| 13:39.08 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:40.18 | enouf | maybe somewhere else is a better place to ask - just point me there, no prob |
| 13:40.27 | nevagonnagiveuup | #security |
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| 13:41.07 | nevagonnagiveuup | #security |
| 13:41.09 | nevagonnagiveuup | oops |
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| 13:42.15 | enouf | yep, that'll be my next choice, thanks .. i'll sit back a while though |
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| 13:44.37 | jelly | enouf: setuid and limit the users to a single group (4754) |
| 13:44.51 | xingu | enouf: it's nearly always a mistake; there's almost always a vector to use the binary to elevate *read* privilege (mplayer /etc/shadow?) and quite often a way to elevate *write* privilege (core dumps anyone?) |
| 13:45.21 | xingu | enouf: this is why it's been such a long and winding road for rbac frameworks/ things like selinux |
| 13:45.28 | xingu | enouf: it's *hard* to get right |
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| 13:45.57 | enouf | is listening intently |
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| 13:46.42 | xingu | enouf: then again I tend to view shell access as root equivalent anyway and am pleasantly surprised when that proves false |
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| 13:47.29 | dgodfather | can i upgrade to lenny from within etch? and is that safe enough? will my desktop be stable? |
| 13:47.31 | enouf | jelly: so, setuid root the binary, but create a user whom only are in one group? wouldn't there then be issues with the user not being in the 'cdrom, audio, video' etc type groups? |
| 13:47.48 | enouf | s/whom are/who is |
| 13:48.20 | xingu | enouf: on the flip side I think the last time a system (and by system I mean internetworked group of nodes fulfilling some design goal) got p4wn3d was after my successor did something very stupid involving a php rebuild and ignoring carefully crafted site-locals in php.ini |
| 13:48.32 | enouf | xingu: indeed - i'm just absorbing your points .. and it takes me a bit of time ;-) |
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| 13:49.52 | themill | dpkg: tell dgodfather about etch->lenny |
| 13:49.57 | themill | dpkg: tell dgodfather about moving target |
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| 13:51.35 | jelly | enouf: create a separate group, and make your user a member, chown the binary to that group, and make it group-executable only |
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| 13:52.12 | enouf | xingu: aye, i can see that - running secure (web) servers is not as easy as it may look (propaganda) in microsofty land, heh. |
| 13:52.42 | anddam | any hint about the crontab env thing? |
| 13:52.45 | enouf | jelly: ok, thank you for that information/advice, appreciated |
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| 13:53.16 | abrotman | anddam: source the file |
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| 13:53.30 | enouf | xingu: so, to elevate read in your mplayer /etc/passwd example, would be akin to 6755, or 7775, correct? |
| 13:53.38 | Y2K38 | hi guys |
| 13:53.45 | Y2K38 | hi enouf |
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| 13:53.58 | dgodfather | themill: thanks i've read that, is that really always on the move, do i really have to change configurations all the time, i am kind of new to linux and it will be good for learning alot of stuff i guess |
| 13:54.01 | Y2K38 | has anyone got logitech quickcam e2500 to work? i've compiled+patched(with http://forums.quickcamteam.net/attachment.php?aid=86) and loaded the gspcav1-20071224.tar.gz but only xawtv works.. nothing else works (no skype, ekiga, cheese!!!) please helpppppp! |
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| 13:54.18 | anddam | abrotman: it's a executable I think |
| 13:54.22 | dgodfather | themill: but still i wanna use my computer also , not only change it all the time |
| 13:54.24 | Y2K38 | !webcam |
| 13:54.24 | dpkg | hmm... webcam is a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm, or mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=352:height=288:outfmt=yv12:device=/dev/video0 |
| 13:54.25 | enouf | xingu: i know i'm still trying to grasp some fundamentals, but i have to try :-) |
| 13:54.33 | abrotman | anddam: so use a script instead ? |
| 13:54.38 | anddam | abrotman: it's a @reboot /usr/bin/vncserver :1 |
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| 13:54.48 | anddam | abrotman: you're a wise man |
| 13:54.55 | abrotman | anddam: or export the stuff you need and do that all in one shot |
| 13:55.02 | enouf | xingu: and you've been a huge help to me many times prior, and even now - and i thank you for that ;-) |
| 13:55.11 | abrotman | like "FOO=BAR /usr/bin/vncserver :1 |
| 13:55.13 | abrotman | : |
| 13:55.16 | abrotman | bah .. you get it |
| 13:55.23 | anddam | abrotman: can you explain further the last line? |
| 13:55.35 | Y2K38 | ok "mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=352:height=288:outfmt=yv12:device=/dev/video0" also works |
| 13:55.49 | Y2K38 | ekiga doesn't... and so does skype |
| 13:55.53 | themill | dgodfather: lenny is lot as much of a moving target as it used to be because it is stabilising towards a release some time Real Soon Now. There will still be lots more updates for lenny that for etch though. |
| 13:55.55 | Y2K38 | anyone? |
| 13:56.11 | Lagbolt | Y2K38, do you get errors? anything in dmesg? |
| 13:56.12 | enouf | Y2K38: hi |
| 13:56.14 | abrotman | anddam: you can pass variables to the thing .. like when you do "LANG=C aptitude search foo" vs `aptitude search foo` which would do in your native language |
| 13:56.21 | abrotman | (assuming it's not english) |
| 13:56.21 | Y2K38 | Lagbolt: let me see |
| 13:56.25 | justin | enouf: it would be better to just add mplayer to the sudoers file |
| 13:56.33 | Y2K38 | enouf: hey |
| 13:56.34 | justin | enouf: that way at least you have to authenticate once |
| 13:56.58 | Y2K38 | Lagbolt: no errors |
| 13:57.08 | Y2K38 | Lagbolt: logitech quickcam e2500 |
| 13:57.18 | Y2K38 | xawtv, mplayer works |
| 13:57.22 | Y2K38 | rest is nada! |
| 13:57.24 | Y2K38 | :( |
| 13:57.36 | dgodfather | themill: so you say it will be quite OK to move onto lenny, i might need a few configs now and then but it's not a stopper |
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| 13:57.47 | Lagbolt | Y2K38, when you use skype/ekiga does it see /dev/video0 and not work or does it show no devices? |
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| 13:58.14 | dgodfather | does it come with a special desktop? i heard a version of lenny desktop was supposed to ship, or will that only happen in lenny when it's stable? |
| 13:58.17 | anddam | abrotman: the point is don't know what exactly is missing, I see commands are not run in a bash environment, maybe it's running sh |
| 13:58.22 | anddam | abrotman: have to check this |
| 13:58.23 | Y2K38 | Lagbolt: let me try again. basically it sees /dev/video0 but it shows those TV bars (blue, black, red etc...) |
| 13:58.31 | eOliva | I'm running "dd bs=1024 if=/dev/mem of=dump_mem" and when it reaches at 900MB, it gives me this error: dd: reading `/dev/mem': Bad address, is my RAM with bad blocks?? |
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| 13:59.34 | Lagbolt | Y2K38, hmm well i can google a bit but offhand i dont know what the trouble is |
| 13:59.37 | Y2K38 | Lagbolt: hold on it seems its showing under intense light |
| 13:59.38 | Y2K38 | :) |
| 13:59.39 | Lagbolt | maybe v4l vs v4l2 |
| 13:59.45 | Lagbolt | intense light eh |
| 13:59.49 | Y2K38 | Lagbolt: how do i set the intensity? |
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| 14:00.04 | Y2K38 | Lagbolt: i need to set brightness and contrast etc... |
| 14:00.14 | Lagbolt | Y2K38, but it shows up ok in xawtv? and mplayer in normal light? |
| 14:00.18 | Y2K38 | i can see myself like a ghost!!! lmao |
| 14:00.27 | Y2K38 | a ghost in the dark |
| 14:00.29 | Y2K38 | Lagbolt: yup! |
| 14:00.31 | anddam | abrotman: that's the case, "SHELL is set to /bin/sh" from man 5 crontab |
| 14:00.35 | Lagbolt | strange |
| 14:00.39 | abrotman | anddam: yes it is |
| 14:00.48 | enouf | justin: well - hrm .. thanks, but .. see, i'm thinking for some reason (and here's where i'm missing the "fundmentals") that 4755 on the binary doesn't == "sudo mplayer ..." as it pertains to all the libs, devices, interfaces, sockets that mplayer needs to connect to and use? (But now that i wrote that, it doesn't seem to make any sense) .. i am trying my best to recall exactly where/when those "operation not permitted" errors occur |
| 14:00.50 | abrotman | anddam: ls -l /bin/sh |
| 14:00.54 | Y2K38 | Lagbolt: are there any program i can use to set intensity? |
| 14:01.03 | Y2K38 | brightness |
| 14:01.06 | Y2K38 | etc..... |
| 14:01.08 | enouf | justin: and it seems to me that i'm more easily able to break out and kill mplayer when things go south - but maybe i'm mistaken |
| 14:01.16 | Lagbolt | um looking |
| 14:01.21 | Y2K38 | thanks! |
| 14:01.39 | anddam | abrotman: it's a symlink to bash but afair argv[0] affects rc files reading |
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| 14:01.45 | anddam | doesn't it? |
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| 14:01.52 | Y2K38 | the pictures pretty clear though if only i could set the intensity.... |
| 14:01.56 | enouf | eOliva: how much system ram do you have? |
| 14:01.57 | Lagbolt | Y2K38, well v4l2ucp works for me |
| 14:02.04 | Y2K38 | Lagbolt: let me try |
| 14:02.09 | abrotman | anddam: you might find it way easier to do the script thing |
| 14:02.18 | eOliva | enouf, 3GB |
| 14:02.29 | enouf | eOliva: and uname -r says? |
| 14:02.44 | anddam | abrotman: I did, you said to source it but sourcing wouldn't load the bash env, would it? |
| 14:02.46 | justin | enouf: definitely mistaken :) |
| 14:03.02 | anddam | I rather put a #!/bin/bash |
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| 14:03.04 | eOliva | enouf, 2.6.22-3-686-bigmem |
| 14:03.10 | enouf | justin: aye .. ok then - thanks for the clarification :-P |
| 14:03.14 | Y2K38 | Lagbolt: i don't have this sofware |
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| 14:03.22 | Lagbolt | Y2K38, you would have to install it |
| 14:03.26 | Y2K38 | Lagbolt: lets me see in p.d.o |
| 14:03.27 | enouf | eOliva: er, you don't need nor want a -bigmem kernel with less than 4G ram |
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| 14:04.33 | Y2K38 | Lagbolt: it's not there in p.d.o |
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| 14:04.47 | Lagbolt | p. d. o? |
| 14:04.59 | Y2K38 | Lagbolt: packages.debian.org |
| 14:05.03 | Lagbolt | ah |
| 14:05.14 | Y2K38 | google! :) |
| 14:05.28 | Lagbolt | Y2K38, looks like it is in testing |
| 14:05.49 | Y2K38 | Lagbolt: i searched in any:any |
| 14:06.21 | eOliva | enouf, is that the problem? |
| 14:06.30 | Lagbolt | Y2K38, oh my bad, it is in debian-multimedia |
| 14:06.34 | enouf | eOliva: i haven't yet tried what you did with dd and /dev/mem, but there is the 1/4G split, and the kernel resides in the lower physical RAM, iinm, and the upper 3G are used for userland (unless you compile your kernel for a different split - like 2/2 split - newer kernels even have more concise options) , now - since you are using a -bigmem kernel, you also have PAE enabled, which further complicate things pertaining to memory mapping |
| 14:06.41 | Y2K38 | Lagbolt: yup found it :) |
| 14:06.51 | Lagbolt | Y2K38, i dont think that is your issue tho. if it works in xawtv and mplayer the vid should appear the same in skype |
| 14:07.06 | themill | judd: versions v4l2ucp |
| 14:07.07 | judd | themill: v4l2ucp: 1.2-0.1 (etch-multimedia) 1.2-0.1 (lenny-multimedia) 1.2-0.1 (sid-multimedia) |
| 14:07.09 | Y2K38 | Lagbolt: yeah. i am a bit dumbfounded |
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| 14:07.34 | Lagbolt | Y2K38, what driver are you using? |
| 14:07.40 | Y2K38 | Lagbolt: gspca |
| 14:07.44 | dudeman | Good morning |
| 14:07.50 | dudeman | whats kickin in the world of #debian? |
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| 14:08.32 | Y2K38 | Lagbolt: i've compiled+patched(with http://forums.quickcamteam.net/attachment.php?aid=86) and loaded the gspcav1-20071224.tar.gz |
| 14:08.32 | enouf | eOliva: i'm not sure if that's even the issue, but that high 800-900MB number sure reminds me of kernel physical limit (such like -486 kernels, incorporate, with NOHIGHMEM option set) , but i'm not being clear, and still working on understanding it all |
| 14:08.40 | Y2K38 | thanks themill! :) |
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| 14:09.08 | enouf | (and i'm likely throwing terminology about like a banshee on a bong :-p) |
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| 14:09.17 | eOliva | :D |
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| 14:09.47 | eOliva | enouf, well, I'm gonna read about this memory stuff and see what I get |
| 14:09.57 | anddam | abrotman: I set SHELL in crontab and the env was fine, this way seems more correct to me |
| 14:10.07 | anddam | abrotman: thanks for helping |
| 14:10.09 | abrotman | okedokee |
| 14:10.41 | Y2K38 | does anyone know of any tool for controlling exposure, intensity, brightness for logitech cams? more specifically logitech quickcam e2500 |
| 14:10.43 | Y2K38 | thanks! |
| 14:11.34 | dudeman | I used to have a logitech quickcam express.. I think the gnome/gtk cam applet lets you do that |
| 14:11.38 | Y2K38 | lol i see myself like a ghost in the dark |
| 14:11.42 | dudeman | me too |
| 14:11.46 | Y2K38 | dudeman: which one? |
| 14:11.49 | anddam | how nice it is to get rid of little glitches |
| 14:11.51 | dudeman | I had to fix the colors hang on I'm thinking. |
| 14:11.53 | enouf | eOliva: start with http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management perhaps - good beginning, but then you get into how the linux VMM works |
| 14:12.06 | dudeman | I used gspca I think for sure.. and like gqcam? |
| 14:12.08 | dudeman | maybe |
| 14:12.14 | dudeman | aptitude search cam |
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| 14:12.25 | enouf | eOliva: another http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-mem26/ |
| 14:12.31 | eOliva | enouf, wow, I was about to ask you some guidance, thanks a lot11 |
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| 14:13.02 | Y2K38 | dudeman: i am using a patched gspca as well.. |
| 14:13.08 | Y2K38 | lemme see |
| 14:13.34 | dudeman | Y2K38, qcam |
| 14:13.55 | Y2K38 | dudeman: downloading.. thanks! :) |
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| 14:14.28 | dudeman | !+info gqcam |
| 14:14.29 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 14:15.15 | dudeman | well this is taking a while |
| 14:15.20 | dpkg | gqcam: (GTK Webcam control), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.9.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
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| 14:15.30 | enouf | eOliva: last one http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450 (and see lwn.net) search all these too for more |
| 14:15.35 | Y2K38 | dudeman: its so shitty man!!! :( |
| 14:15.48 | dudeman | well damn dude. This is all I know. |
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| 14:16.00 | Y2K38 | dudeman: thanks though! |
| 14:16.10 | dudeman | sure |
| 14:16.31 | Y2K38 | i can't understand why the heck xawtv & mplayer works but others just produce shitty image :( |
| 14:16.50 | dudeman | well I had to take auto brightness optoin off and manually adjust it |
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| 14:18.16 | enouf | xingu: justin and jelly thanks much for all the info - will work with it |
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| 14:20.39 | slept | how well does debian/kfreebsd work ? What of the important (like gnome ) parts can't I expect to work ? Is there a list somewhere ? |
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| 14:23.29 | abrotman | slept: IIRC there is a channel devoted to that |
| 14:23.30 | enouf | xingu: i see how 6755 equates to setuid+setgid, not what i had mentioned - will work it out ;-P |
| 14:23.36 | abrotman | where's tarzeau when you have questions like that?! |
| 14:24.09 | abrotman | !debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 14:24.09 | dpkg | [debian gnu/kfreebsd] a port that consists of the GNU userland on top of the FreeBSD kernel, coupled with the Debian tools and packages. There is a BSD libc5 port, but the Glibc port is being focused on more. http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/, or Penix' almighty official installation guide can be found here: http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ |
| 14:24.10 | abrotman | or not |
| 14:24.27 | pumpkin0 | enouf: remember the little udev-f**kup i asked about? It's version 100-2 for kernel 2.6.15. The other versions produce funny (tries to boot from MD but i don't have any MD on that system), not so funny (/dev is 0660 and root,root) and strange (reboots) effects. And if X starts, but the user cannot log in: ask if the /dev-permissions are right. The login process depends on a writeable /dev/null. |
| 14:24.30 | abrotman | !debian gnu/kfreebsd =~ s#freebsd/,#freebsd/# |
| 14:24.30 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
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| 14:25.01 | enouf | pumpkin0: one sec, there was a bug .. . |
| 14:25.14 | pumpkin0 | enouf: don't bother it works now. |
| 14:25.24 | enouf | pumpkin0: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491114 |
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| 14:26.02 | enouf | pumpkin0: your initrd, and modules and /etc/default/mdadm settings also affect that .. |
| 14:26.11 | slept | abrotman, thanks , didn't expect they ( #freebsd) would know about debian stuff |
| 14:26.13 | pumpkin0 | enouf: yes, that sounds about right. |
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| 14:26.38 | pumpkin0 | now: how do i tell apt to never, never ever touch that package again? |
| 14:26.48 | abrotman | slept: wait .. nto what i said! |
| 14:26.56 | abrotman | slept: they'll kill you if you go there! |
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| 14:28.13 | enouf | pumpkin0: put it on hold? |
| 14:28.16 | slept | abrotman, ok , well they just told me its the wrong place ... :) |
| 14:28.26 | abrotman | it sure is |
| 14:28.35 | abrotman | slept: all that #freebsd stuff was me correcting the bot |
| 14:28.38 | enouf | pumpkin0: /msg dpkg hold |
| 14:28.40 | pumpkin0 | enouf: does dist-upgrade overwrite that? |
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| 14:29.18 | enouf | pumpkin0: not that i'm aware of - but not sure - but you can overrride a hold with a direct "apt-get install 'held-package'" |
| 14:29.32 | Y2K38 | >.< ! |
| 14:29.54 | abrotman | slept: i don't pretend to be an expert, but I'd guess the major things are binary-only things .. like say java or flash .. |
| 14:30.02 | abrotman | though now we have icedtea .. |
| 14:30.06 | enouf | pumpkin0: and i'm not sure how aptitude handles that vs apt, not to mention newer versions of each , which now default to autoinstall Recommends |
| 14:31.02 | abrotman | and gnash is in sid |
| 14:31.28 | abrotman | for kfreebsd |
| 14:31.28 | enouf | pumpkin0: but since those bug reports i posted about udev concern the dmsetup pkg, and since you don't need it, maybe just blocking that pkg - or uninstalling it would have a pleasant affect? :-P |
| 14:32.39 | pumpkin0 | enouf: yes, that may work. I will put udev on hold, make another full-disc backup and hope for the best. |
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| 14:32.58 | Y2K38 | fucking logitech! |
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| 14:33.11 | pumpkin0 | enouf: thanks for your time and good luck with your udev 105-sid box. |
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| 14:36.09 | enouf | welcome |
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| 14:37.29 | Y2K38 | enouf: you probably meant welcome to "Logitech" lalaland! :) |
| 14:38.25 | Y2K38 | fucking stupid webcams so dim in work in ekiga.. works fine in mplayer/xawtv |
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| 14:40.10 | Y2K38 | where will i get more help guys? :( |
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| 14:43.15 | Enigma | how can I check if a package has a pending upgrade? |
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| 14:43.34 | enouf | Enigma: apt-get update ; apt-cache policy pkgnmae |
| 14:43.50 | enouf | or use aptitude, or whatever |
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| 14:44.12 | Enigma | enouf: thx |
| 14:44.18 | nikolavp | hmm |
| 14:44.28 | nikolavp | can someone help me to make moonlight work on this debian machine |
| 14:44.46 | nikolavp | i installed mono-smcs |
| 14:44.56 | nikolavp | but it doesn't make silverlight sites work :( |
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| 14:48.11 | nikolavp | yeah that was nice :D |
| 14:48.14 | Nwallins | I have to split a 14 MB file, based on the first two chars of each line, into several smaller files. the rows per each are contiguous, not fragmented. the fastest way I have found to split out a single section is: grep ^XX > XX.file |
| 14:48.39 | Nwallins | should I do this serially for every value of XX, or can I run several greps in parallel more quickly? |
| 14:48.59 | Nwallins | or something even better? |
| 14:49.07 | justin | Nwallins: how many times do you need to do this? |
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| 14:49.17 | Nwallins | there are 17 values for XX, currently |
| 14:49.26 | justin | Nwallins: no, i mean how many times do you need to do the whole thing? |
| 14:49.27 | Nwallins | so, 17 smaller files |
| 14:49.36 | Nwallins | once a day, perhaps |
| 14:50.01 | Y2K38 | dudeman: Lagbot got it :) |
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| 14:50.23 | justin | Nwallins: 17 greps should work just fine. after the first one the file will most likely be cached anyway |
| 14:50.55 | Nwallins | justin: if cached, wouldn't parallel be quicker? i was worried about 17 concurrent file accesses |
| 14:51.00 | nikolavp | use cat first btw |
| 14:51.05 | nikolavp | so you can get the cache for free |
| 14:51.07 | enouf | i wonder if you could automate it a tad with a for loop + seq or somehitng |
| 14:51.11 | Y2K38 | dudeman: i completely forgot about the module parameters ;) "modprobe -r gspca; modprobe gspca autoexpo=0 gamma=2;" did the trick!! :) |
| 14:51.22 | Y2K38 | dudeman: you there man? |
| 14:51.22 | justin | Nwallins: no. faster would be to just run through it once using c lol |
| 14:51.27 | Nwallins | nikolavp: cat bigfile > /dev/null |
| 14:51.29 | Nwallins | ? |
| 14:51.32 | enouf | Y2K38: modinfo modulename ftw |
| 14:51.37 | justin | Nwallins: don't do that. |
| 14:51.40 | nikolavp | Nwallins: no |
| 14:51.47 | nikolavp | just use cat before grep |
| 14:51.48 | Y2K38 | enouf: hehe yeah.. i completely forgot that ftw :) |
| 14:51.50 | nikolavp | it will be faster |
| 14:51.51 | justin | Nwallins: computers are pretty good at working with 17M files |
| 14:51.54 | Nwallins | ok |
| 14:51.56 | justin | nikolavp: no, it won't |
| 14:51.59 | Y2K38 | goes buys lollies |
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| 14:52.03 | nikolavp | justin: yes it will! |
| 14:52.08 | Nwallins | pipe it into grep? |
| 14:52.08 | justin | nikolavp: no, it won't |
| 14:52.11 | nikolavp | try it cat file | grep "something" |
| 14:52.16 | nikolavp | and do grep "somethng" file |
| 14:52.29 | justin | nikolavp: that's nice |
| 14:52.37 | Nwallins | time cat file | grep value vs. time grep value file |
| 14:52.51 | justin | Nwallins: that doesn't do what you think it does |
| 14:53.09 | nikolavp | use `` |
| 14:53.24 | enouf | or $() |
| 14:53.38 | nikolavp | yeah :) |
| 14:53.49 | nikolavp | actually $() is recommended if you have bash ;) |
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| 14:53.59 | Nwallins | justin: it sure seems to |
| 14:54.14 | justin | Nwallins: no, it doesn't |
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| 14:54.34 | riddley | hey I was wondering if Debian has a 32bit kernel that can handle 8G of RAM? I'm a long-time debian user and a buddy of mine convinced me to try out Ubuntu64 and I'm hating it. |
| 14:54.51 | Nwallins | justin: what am I missing? |
| 14:55.12 | enouf | wonders if and how hugepages might help here, if at all - not that this a really big file (as in GiBs) or anything |
| 14:55.20 | Appiah | use bigmem kernel riddley |
| 14:55.35 | enouf | riddley: yep, a -bigmem kernel |
| 14:55.39 | Nwallins | i added > /dev/null; both runs (w/ and w/out cat) are within 1% real time |
| 14:55.55 | riddley | Appiah, great thx |
| 14:56.00 | riddley | enouf, thx! |
| 14:56.07 | justin | Nwallins: great, now try it on a 2G file |
| 14:56.08 | Appiah | if it can use up to 8 i have no idea |
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| 14:56.15 | Appiah | read up on bigmem |
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| 14:56.45 | riddley | okee |
| 14:56.46 | enouf | Appiah: 64GiB is teh threshold, though .. there might be some kernel limitations especially on older ones |
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| 14:57.34 | Appiah | oh :D |
| 14:57.45 | enouf | like as of 2.6.23 only 32GiB can be accessed per CPU or someshit - you'd have to follow lkml and such |
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| 14:58.12 | LemensTS | is there a linux email server that can push email wirelessly to windows mobile phones? |
| 14:58.12 | enouf | but 8G should be no prob |
| 14:59.10 | Nwallins | justin: this sure seems to do what i think it's doing -- http://pastie.org/275783 |
| 14:59.47 | Nwallins | i need to enclose the pipe? |
| 14:59.50 | Nwallins | or redirect? |
| 14:59.59 | enouf | Appiah: 2^32 == 4GiB, 2^36 == 64GiB (the 32-36 bits are part of PAE) |
| 15:00.15 | petemc | LemensTS: if you mean like blackberry, thats proprietary stuff - just use imap |
| 15:01.08 | LemensTS | petemc: so i would just set it to check my email like every 5 minutes instead of pushing it to me? |
| 15:01.09 | enouf | Appiah: and, for example, even 64bit CPUs are limited at ~1TiB of memory, IINM, since only 2^40 are actually used as of yet |
| 15:01.25 | petemc | LemensTS: right |
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| 15:01.48 | enouf | Appiah: here's a fun toy -> echo 2^40 | bc :-) |
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| 15:02.03 | LemensTS | petemc: what about calendar and tasks |
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| 15:02.36 | kriebel | you didn't ask about calendar and tasks, you asked about mail |
| 15:03.03 | jasonlife | my debian system has 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 kernel. Any newer version available? |
| 15:03.16 | jasonlife | I have evdev and usb problem currently |
| 15:03.31 | jasonlife | And I think it is related to the kernel |
| 15:03.38 | LemensTS | kriebel: yea i know, guess i should have. How can i sync those to windows mobile too |
| 15:03.39 | petemc | LemensTS: its a broad subject, and not something i do |
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| 15:04.19 | kriebel | LemensTS, you can use desktop software to have (Windows) machines send mail and calendar to the phone |
| 15:04.23 | kriebel | or if you run Exchange |
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| 15:04.51 | kriebel | but if your desktop is Linux, you're kinda out of luck |
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| 15:05.13 | kriebel | then again, if your desktop is Linux, and you're addicted to wireless email, something is wrong |
| 15:05.22 | petemc | it is? |
| 15:05.47 | kriebel | what part of my rant is that responding to? |
| 15:06.00 | petemc | that people who want email on the go dont use linux |
| 15:06.12 | enouf | jasonlife: you mentioned in another channel -> <jasonlife> ps and pgrep command doesn't respond.. It stuck in the command line without any result.. Anyone has idea? and <jasonlife> go|dfish, I got "evdev: no more free evdev devices" errors in dmsg.. and <jasonlife> go|dfish, I also got "ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: fatal error" hmm |
| 15:06.19 | LemensTS | i have both desktops, and exchange is too expensive. i could do wireless imap, and just plug in the cable to sync calendar and tasks at night with outlook |
| 15:06.32 | enouf | just to inform ... |
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| 15:06.51 | kriebel | hates PIM software and doesn't too much care for Windows Mobile |
| 15:06.59 | jasonlife | enouf, thanks |
| 15:07.06 | enouf | jasonlife: the kicker though is ==> <jasonlife> Custom build.. :-/ |
| 15:07.18 | jasonlife | No.. it is not.. |
| 15:07.25 | jasonlife | I misunderstood.. |
| 15:07.34 | jasonlife | it is conventional etch kernel |
| 15:07.40 | jasonlife | 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 15:07.52 | enouf | heh, ok |
| 15:07.52 | LemensTS | kriebel: i hope android will solve alot of these corporate problems that exchange and blackberry has |
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| 15:08.29 | kriebel | LemensTS, me too, but it would really help if someone made better sync software for Callendar.app and Thunderbird |
| 15:08.39 | kriebel | and a caldav client for PalmOS |
| 15:08.55 | enouf | jasonlife: evbug module could be used for debugging, but i bet it would just spit out a lot of very complicated errors |
| 15:09.01 | enouf | can you unload evdev? |
| 15:09.16 | kriebel | at times like this, I miss 2.4 |
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| 15:09.47 | enouf | jasonlife: is your USB mouse set to use /dev/input/mice? |
| 15:09.55 | jasonlife | I'm using event device as the input in X server, so I need evdev module |
| 15:10.10 | enouf | input for what? |
| 15:10.16 | jasonlife | input for keyboard |
| 15:10.29 | enouf | ... |
| 15:10.53 | enouf | get a USB<->ps/2 adapter like i have, they're great |
| 15:11.02 | jasonlife | I setup my computer for multi-seat.. so there are five keyboards and mice |
| 15:11.14 | kriebel | lol |
| 15:11.17 | enouf | cat /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 15:12.01 | enouf | jasonlife: then review this; http://linuxtoys.org/multiseat/multiseat.html |
| 15:12.56 | jasonlife | yes.. it is working for a while, but after sometime system create more event devices |
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| 15:13.56 | Appiah | enouf: ye I know but thanks ;) |
| 15:13.56 | enouf | you need to monitor that then, inotify, watchdog, famd, something like that |
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| 15:14.44 | enouf | or even watch, or tail -f, or something ... modinfo evdev as well - i still don't see why you need evdev, but i think USB sucks ass .. so i'm biased :-P |
| 15:14.52 | enouf | Appiah: ;-) |
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| 15:15.26 | jasonlife | enouf: Is there a repository where I can search for the newer kernel package for etch? |
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| 15:15.36 | enouf | haha, not many params for evdev, lmao |
| 15:15.54 | enouf | jasonlife: i think backports.org has one? |
| 15:16.12 | enouf | !tell jasonlife -about backports.org |
| 15:16.33 | jasonlife | Is a package manager in etch? like apt-get? |
| 15:16.39 | enouf | ... |
| 15:16.44 | enouf | yes |
| 15:16.49 | enouf | !tell jasonlife -about grounding |
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| 15:20.12 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone |
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| 15:20.49 | nootoyahora | I'm habing trouble with a pci firewire card,, it gets DMA errors and the video download from a dv-cam gets aborted... the pci card is a via chipset one.. does anybody kn |
| 15:20.56 | nootoyahora | ow something worn abpout that chipset? |
| 15:20.59 | anddam | bye |
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| 15:21.30 | aidehua | My computer has two network interfaces connected to the internet. How can I get Linux to favour one over the other? |
| 15:21.49 | nootoyahora | aidehua, routing |
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| 15:22.20 | aidehua | (They are on the same device -- eth0 and eth0:0 -- I just have 2 IP addresses in order to run multiple webservers for my users (lighttpd and apache)). |
| 15:22.43 | aidehua | nootoyahora: routing options in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:23.19 | nootoyahora | aidehua, I never understand where are supossed to be the static routing :( |
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| 15:23.53 | aidehua | nootoyahora: Maybe some sort of /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ script, perhaps? :) |
| 15:24.06 | kriebel | you can add a postup command in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:24.11 | kriebel | or there |
| 15:24.27 | nootoyahora | aidehua, maybe, I never understood where is supossed to be that part of network configuration in debian |
| 15:24.28 | kriebel | but post-up, since you need the interface to be there for route to work with it |
| 15:24.41 | nootoyahora | kriebel, post-up is the r |
| 15:24.52 | nootoyahora | ight place to put the routes? |
| 15:24.59 | kriebel | I'm not too sure |
| 15:25.03 | aidehua | OK. And remove my 'gateway' line, and instead use a post-up invocation of route(8), using some magic metric option? |
| 15:25.20 | kriebel | well, check to see if it's necissary |
| 15:25.28 | kriebel | aidehua, run /sbin/route | grep default |
| 15:25.35 | kriebel | what does the last field say? |
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| 15:26.24 | aidehua | The default interface is eth0, which is odd, because outbound ESTABLISHED TCP connections show my end of the connection to be bound to eth0:0. |
| 15:27.07 | kriebel | hrm |
| 15:27.17 | stew | aidehua: are you trying to use two different default gateways? |
| 15:27.23 | kriebel | maybe favors the *last* address you get |
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| 15:28.57 | aidehua | stew: no -- they both have the same gateway. It's just for cosmetic reasons really: when I do reverse DNS lookups on IP addresses that local applications are bound to, and when remote people reverse lookup who their connection is coming from, I'd like it to show a particular IP address (and it's currently showing the one I don't want :) |
| 15:29.21 | aidehua | 'applications' -- that doesn't sound very Unixy does it? |
| 15:29.26 | aidehua | :) |
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| 15:29.50 | nootoyahora | aidehua, really? and how do you call them instead? |
| 15:30.12 | aidehua | Processes. |
| 15:30.44 | nootoyahora | aidehua, it deppends, an dapp can be multiproc ;D |
| 15:30.46 | stew | aidehua: you should be able to set the ip using "ip rule add src..." iirc |
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| 15:31.00 | kriebel | a process is a running program. An application sounds like topical medicine |
| 15:31.33 | aidehua | nootoyahora: sure, but it's a process that opens a TCP connection, not an "application", whatever that means. Sorry to be pedantic :) |
| 15:31.59 | nootoyahora | aidehua, well a little for me ( |
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| 15:32.06 | nootoyahora | but that' sok ;D |
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| 15:33.36 | jelly | aidehua: "they both have the same gateway" ... wait, does that mean the alias definition in interfaces(5) has a gateway entry too? That's unneeded. |
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| 15:35.13 | aidehua | jelly: yes, eth0:0 does have a 'gateway' line. |
| 15:35.29 | Python1320 | host7:~# ip gives -bash: ip: command not found |
| 15:35.33 | Python1320 | What is wrong? Or is the "ip" command removed. Yes, I'm root and my paths are correct. Whereis doesn't return anything either |
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| 15:35.46 | jelly | aidehua: that will make ifupdown scripts add a second default route. You probably don't want that |
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| 15:36.00 | aidehua | jelly: OK, I'll remove it. Thanks for the tip :D |
| 15:36.00 | jelly | Python1320: package iproute |
| 15:36.06 | Python1320 | jelly, ty |
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| 15:37.09 | Bogdomania | cheers all.. |
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| 15:37.14 | aasdasfaf | ciao a tutti |
| 15:37.14 | Bogdomania | 1 question .. i use pppoe to connect to the internet.. |
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| 15:37.21 | aasdasfaf | qualcuno mi può aiutare? |
| 15:37.22 | aidehua | jelly: Thank you :D That has solved my 'problem' :) |
| 15:37.25 | Bogdomania | so i get in the shel reason 13: multiple sessions |
| 15:37.30 | geek | i'm thinking of building a file server off a old pIII 450. its got 640 mb of ram, probably a scsi tape drive (which is worthless IMO) and a bunch of disks- there's two things i'm wondering- with a bunch of random disks, would i be better off using LVM or seperate logical disks (i don't intend to add additional disks after the initial set up), and using LVM should i have the root partition on a seperate disk? |
| 15:37.32 | Bogdomania | what is wrong? |
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| 15:37.37 | aasdasfaf | dovrei installare debian sul mio eeepc900 |
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| 15:38.21 | aasdasfaf | should I install debian on my eeepc900 how can I? |
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| 15:38.49 | kriebel | geek: booting from LVM is hard |
| 15:39.04 | aasdasfaf | no |
| 15:39.10 | aasdasfaf | asus eeepc900 |
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| 15:39.21 | geek | kriebel: I can either put in a 13 gig drive for that, or use a bigger drive and split it... |
| 15:39.22 | aasdasfaf | is mini laptop |
| 15:39.37 | aasdasfaf | si |
| 15:39.45 | geek | so... trying to decide which will work better |
| 15:40.03 | kriebel | aasdasfaf, I think you're responding in the channel to a PM |
| 15:40.10 | aasdasfaf | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.25 | kriebel | I run Debian on my eeepc and it involved putting an installer on an SD card and booting to that |
| 15:40.27 | kriebel | quite easy |
| 15:40.32 | simNIX | geek, asumnig drive controlers run ata33 diks read and writes will be slow ... |
| 15:40.46 | simNIX | s/diks/disks |
| 15:41.03 | geek | simNIX: not too much of an issue for me, i'm more concerned with capacity than speed |
| 15:41.08 | kriebel | I think he's willing to accept that |
| 15:41.17 | simNIX | clear |
| 15:41.19 | geek | yup |
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| 15:41.22 | kriebel | geek: if they're all the same sized disks, make a software RAID 5 |
| 15:41.36 | geek | kriebel: negative, they are all random different sized disks |
| 15:41.37 | kriebel | boot of of whatever junk IDE drive you can get in there |
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| 15:42.15 | kriebel | if you can scrape together any cash, it would be easier and safer to get two 500GB SATA drives |
| 15:42.19 | geek | Well, the current inventory is... 2 40 gigs, a 60 gig, a 13 gig... |
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| 15:42.37 | liable | hello |
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| 15:42.38 | geek | kriebel: which would probably mean a new system, i got a LOT of spare hard drives ;p |
| 15:42.39 | kriebel | wooo netslplit |
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| 15:42.58 | kriebel | well, if you don't care about redundancy, just LVM span them all |
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| 15:43.07 | kriebel | (except one, to boot off of) |
| 15:43.11 | geek | not too worried about that |
| 15:43.28 | geek | hmm can i split off a partition off a bigger disk for that/ |
| 15:43.29 | geek | ? |
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| 15:43.40 | xdr | can anyone help me figure out why udev halts bootprocess, googled but it doesn't make me wiser |
| 15:43.47 | geek | (never used LVM, mk 1 of that server was a bunch of random disks) |
| 15:43.50 | Kramer | the debian installer can be ran from inside debian rather then booting up |
| 15:43.55 | Kramer | ? |
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| 15:44.24 | kriebel | Guest15916, look into debootstrap |
| 15:44.43 | kriebel | geek: LVM works with partitions or disks that are made into PVs (physical volumes) |
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| 15:44.55 | geek | kriebel: ahh cool |
| 15:45.03 | kriebel | I'd do software raid (mdadm) under that, if you want redundancy |
| 15:45.10 | geek | and do i need to worry about a swap partition? with a crapload of ram |
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| 15:45.25 | geek | not a concern, it will mostly be used for downloading files centrally ;p |
| 15:45.25 | kriebel | but for raid, you need partitions of the same size, or you have trouble |
| 15:45.37 | kriebel | yeah, make a gig or so of swap |
| 15:45.37 | geek | yeah, which seems impractical in my situation |
| 15:45.42 | kriebel | better than crashing later |
| 15:45.46 | geek | lol |
| 15:45.50 | geek | i suppose ;p |
| 15:45.56 | kriebel | LVM can do simple mirroring and striping |
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| 15:46.33 | kriebel | I'd say boot from the 13, make 2 or 3 partitions |
| 15:46.52 | kriebel | then run pvcreate /dev/sdb etc etc on the other ones |
| 15:47.06 | kriebel | and make an LV with the 3 PVs |
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| 15:47.09 | kriebel | it's all online |
| 15:47.14 | geek | ok |
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| 15:47.42 | tyler7382 | does anyone know of a glibc function to get drive space information, like df? |
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| 15:52.48 | joshteam | has anyone here set up debian as a vm? |
| 15:54.01 | jelly | joshteam: ever, on any vm platform? |
| 15:54.13 | simNIX | setup debian in a virtual machine or as a host to run vm's on ? |
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| 15:54.27 | joshteam | Specifically VMWare. |
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| 15:54.37 | joshteam | trying to get a dev environment |
| 15:54.46 | simNIX | vmware runs on debian here |
| 15:55.14 | simNIX | what do you want to aks ... |
| 15:55.17 | simNIX | ask |
| 15:55.26 | Kramerz | another question: a netinst from lan is possible ? mean i set up on a lan machine a webserver then tell net installer to fetch data from there ? |
| 15:55.32 | geek | joshteam: running etch as a guest right now |
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| 15:55.46 | joshteam | Making sure smarter people before me have done it :) |
| 15:55.52 | geek | on VMware, it pretty much just works for me |
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| 15:56.07 | simNIX | Kramerz, I have pxe boot, it fetches immage to boot from tftp and suud file from http |
| 15:56.40 | simNIX | suud=seed |
| 15:56.58 | Flashtek | "http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/o/openssh/openssh_4.3p2-9etch3/changelog" is giving me a 404.. |
| 15:57.04 | Flashtek | am i alone ? |
| 15:57.14 | kriebel | Kramerz, you need to have the right image, and set up dhcpd and tftpd to do PXE netboot |
| 15:57.26 | kriebel | it's easier to steal the SD card from a digital camera |
| 15:57.32 | geek | lol |
| 15:57.35 | Kramerz | yes but since the machine i'm gonna reformat is the one who gives internet access to the others - actually while reinstalling it'll be offline but still in lan with other so if data are stored in a lan machine it will access no ? |
| 15:57.37 | kriebel | if you don't already have all that set up |
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| 15:57.59 | Kramerz | (cause the other machies ran windows not linux) |
| 15:58.02 | kriebel | you need Internet to install Debian unless you have a local package mirror |
| 15:58.15 | kriebel | your EeePC is your router? |
| 15:58.28 | Kramerz | kinda like of it |
| 15:58.29 | Kramerz | :P |
| 15:58.35 | geek | o0 |
| 15:58.40 | geek | thats.. strange |
| 15:58.43 | kriebel | that sounds like a terrible idea |
| 15:58.57 | kriebel | well... it would be fine if you already had Debian on it |
| 15:59.12 | kriebel | and it was high on a shelf stealing WiFi from a neighbor |
| 15:59.21 | geek | thinks a router needs master mode and more than one ethernet port |
| 15:59.28 | geek | and/or |
| 15:59.29 | stew | Kramerz: the netinst can install debian without a network at all |
| 15:59.44 | geek | stew: er... is netinst ;p |
| 15:59.51 | stew | geek: yes, it doesn't require the network |
| 15:59.56 | liable | it can do base install |
| 16:00.31 | stew | Kramerz: but you only get a base installation. you'll need to get it onto a network if you want to install anything other than a base install, but then yes, if it can talk to a local pacakge mirrir over the network it could isntall pacakges on top of base that way |
| 16:01.02 | Kramerz | here'we 're i need just to know what's required to create the local package mirror ;) |
| 16:01.08 | kriebel | all of this being rather advanced sysadmining |
| 16:01.33 | kriebel | and here's where I let fly the old maxim: what you want is wrong |
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| 16:02.29 | p3rti | someone know about a good download management system for users by web?? |
| 16:02.48 | jelly | tyler7382: statvfs(2) ? |
| 16:02.50 | p3rti | i mean... user1 have access to download group1 software and user2 have accesss to download grup2 |
| 16:02.50 | geek | p3rti: torrentflux maybe? |
| 16:03.21 | Kramerz | stew, don't i just need to place the whole "pool" folder in ftp/webserver-? |
| 16:03.24 | p3rti | geek, not a client.. i'm sorry maybe the question was bad.. |
| 16:03.38 | p3rti | i mean like joomla with an extension of download manager |
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| 16:03.46 | p3rti | but.. i need users roles :S |
| 16:04.00 | geek | p3rti: i think torrentflux has some ability to do that |
| 16:04.01 | kriebel | just have apache do LDAP auth or something |
| 16:04.14 | kriebel | with htaccess on folders |
| 16:04.31 | simNIX | or let them sftp in a chroot home ? |
| 16:04.33 | p3rti | let me see geek |
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| 16:06.52 | amikrop | Hello. I have two debian laptops and an ethernet wire. Is there any way I can create a LAN in which they will be? |
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| 16:07.04 | jelly | !printer |
| 16:07.05 | dpkg | A printer is an output device to physical objects. Ask me about <cups-setup>, <cups>, <printconf> or use foomatic-gui for more information on how you can get your printer working under Debian. |
| 16:07.08 | jelly | !cups-setup |
| 16:07.19 | jelly | dpkg: you suck |
| 16:07.19 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 16:07.24 | stew | Kramerz: if you really want to create an entire debian mirrir, use apt-mirror. note that a mirror is big though, in the range of 50G |
| 16:07.24 | paxcoder | LOL! |
| 16:07.31 | Zesturian | Does mkfs.ext3 cause you to lose all data on that drive? |
| 16:07.41 | paxcoder | ask me about cups setup. cups setup. *silence* |
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| 16:07.59 | jelly | !cups setup |
| 16:07.59 | dpkg | from memory, cups setup is install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db packages. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!, or you can try printconf |
| 16:08.03 | jelly | hah. |
| 16:08.04 | stew | Kramerz: and no, you need more than pool, you'd need stuf undedr dists/etch/main... |
| 16:08.20 | jelly | cupsys-bsd is probably not needed |
| 16:08.20 | geek | Zesturian: i believe so |
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| 16:08.42 | jelly | dpkg, printer s/cups-setup/cups setup/ |
| 16:08.42 | dpkg | jelly: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 16:08.48 | nikolavp | Zesturian: yes it does |
| 16:08.48 | simNIX | Kramerz, with apt-mirror you can set to only get files for i386; then its around 15Gb in size |
| 16:08.52 | kriebel | the bsd-style commands are used by some programs still |
| 16:09.02 | Zesturian | Ah I feared as much, thanks nikolavp and geek |
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| 16:09.31 | paxcoder | ! |
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| 16:09.44 | geek | Zesturian: what did you do exactly? |
| 16:09.58 | joshteam | apt-get install { what for apache2? } |
| 16:10.02 | geek | there's a way to recover reformatted partitions, if they haven't been overwritten |
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| 16:10.28 | paxcoder | look at this: |
| 16:10.30 | paxcoder | !bla |
| 16:10.30 | dpkg | foo |
| 16:10.33 | stew | joshteam: apache2 |
| 16:10.34 | Zesturian | Oh, not me geek, dodgy support gave a friend the command and I was pretty positive it wiped the drive, but needed to verify. Geek, something like photorec? |
| 16:10.47 | paxcoder | see? why foo. every time I see some sample code. It must have a reason. |
| 16:10.47 | joshteam | thanks stew i forgot i needed to run an apt-get update |
| 16:10.48 | geek | Zesturian: testdisk ;) |
| 16:11.01 | geek | same guy, but its designed for unwiping disks |
| 16:11.20 | Zesturian | Ahah, thanks geek. |
| 16:11.35 | paxcoder | !foo |
| 16:11.35 | dpkg | from memory, foo is probably the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar>, also read RFC3092. |
| 16:11.42 | paxcoder | !metasyntactic |
| 16:11.48 | geek | o0 |
| 16:11.48 | paxcoder | figures. |
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| 16:13.34 | jelly | dpkg, printer =~ s/cups-setup/cups setup/ |
| 16:13.34 | dpkg | jelly: i didn't have anything called 'printer' to modify |
| 16:13.49 | jelly | dpkg: I'll talk to you in private. |
| 16:13.49 | dpkg | jelly: i haven't a clue |
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| 16:14.53 | paxcoder | this channel is amusing today |
| 16:15.09 | toor_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.15 | xoz | !metasyntactic variables |
| 16:15.15 | dpkg | well, metasyntactic variables is a long word. |
| 16:15.18 | toor_ | s/tochiba/toshiba |
| 16:15.41 | jelly | toor_: cds or dvds? |
| 16:15.45 | toor_ | cds |
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| 16:16.06 | jelly | toor_: if you have a premade iso image, wodim |
| 16:16.14 | toor_ | wodim and cdrecord throw are both failing be at this point. |
| 16:16.22 | paxcoder | !libburnia |
| 16:16.25 | jelly | they're the same thing in debian |
| 16:16.29 | paxcoder | it won't talk to us |
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| 16:16.40 | jelly | !tell paxcoder -about msg the bot |
| 16:16.54 | toor_ | ahhh |
| 16:17.11 | jelly | !errors |
| 16:17.11 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors, or - ask me about <localized errors> too |
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| 16:17.31 | paxcoder | !tell jelly wth |
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| 16:18.04 | toor_ | jelly: i'll get some errors .... |
| 16:18.15 | jelly | toor_: in other words, pastebin the whole output |
| 16:19.10 | toor_ | http://pastebin.com/m755f73e9 |
| 16:19.28 | toor_ | helly: http://pastebin.com/m755f73e9 |
| 16:19.31 | toor_ | arrgh |
| 16:19.45 | toor_ | jelly: sorry, i can't type today either. |
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| 16:22.02 | toor_ | jelly: is scsi emulation still required? |
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| 16:29.56 | jelly | toor_: nope |
| 16:30.16 | qmr | What are the chances of a fresh debian install being compromised? Less than 1% I would think yea? |
| 16:30.36 | jelly | toor_: ls -ld /dev/hdc ... are you a member of that group? |
| 16:30.52 | jelly | toor_: (or run it as root) |
| 16:30.54 | geek | qmr: depends on the situation, environment, threat level and so on ;p |
| 16:30.55 | toor_ | yes |
| 16:31.13 | toor_ | jelly: same result if i run as root |
| 16:31.46 | jelly | toor_: uname -a |
| 16:31.55 | toor_ | jelly: Linux allover 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Mon Aug 18 08:42:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:32.27 | jelly | toor_: hmph! Well, it should work as root. No idea there |
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| 16:32.38 | jelly | toor_: oh... |
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| 16:32.50 | justin | qmr: less than 1%? those are pretty shitty odds |
| 16:33.09 | hoxu | qmr, depends what you install and whether those programs are vulnerable. It's highly unlikely the kernel's network stack contains anything remotely exploitable |
| 16:33.19 | justin | you should have a 0% chance of being compromised, anything else is too high |
| 16:34.06 | rjent | I have a ma78gm-s2h and when I try to run the installer of lenny it reboots, anyone with this board have any ideas? |
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| 16:34.49 | jelly | qmr: compromised in what way? which installation type? |
| 16:35.19 | hoxu | !tell qmr about compromise check |
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| 16:35.42 | toor_ | jelly: are there isues with the laptop cdrom drive not behaving like a standard 5.25" desktop cdrom in regards to loading/unloading of media? |
| 16:35.59 | geek | toor_: not from my experience |
| 16:36.26 | geek | has installed linux on at least 4 laptops. cd rom drives are rarely the cause of any issues i've had |
| 16:36.29 | jelly | toor_: never heard anything like that |
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| 16:36.51 | toor_ | jelly: neither have i, just thought i'd throw it out there. |
| 16:37.07 | qmr | jelly: etch which was upgraded to lenny |
| 16:37.24 | qmr | hoxu: ty for that msg from bot |
| 16:37.58 | qmr | well we just installed a new server, and upstream provider is blocking our IPs cause they say boxes are being used for naughty stuff |
| 16:37.59 | hoxu | qmr, why do you suspect you've been breached? |
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| 16:38.21 | geek | qmr: could be that someone spoofed your ip? |
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| 16:38.27 | hoxu | qmr, did you inquire them for details? |
| 16:38.45 | qmr | hoxu: el presidente has, yea. I don't have their contact info, I'm just a lowly consultant |
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| 16:39.20 | toor_ | jelly: if it matters, at one time i had an external pioneer usb2 dvd burner and it worked like a champ. |
| 16:40.03 | hoxu | qmr, well, as the factoid says, inspecting a running system is not a very good idea... best would be if you can snoop from a router in your own network and check whether this "naughty stuff" really originates from that box |
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| 16:40.24 | n8ature | hello, im looking for a command to remotely blink the led on a drive on a server at my datacenter |
| 16:40.28 | qmr | hoxu: well I have access to boxes next to it in the datacenter |
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| 16:41.07 | PiousMinion | How do I view the changelog info for a package? |
| 16:41.13 | justin | qmr: do you have physical access to it? |
| 16:41.35 | qmr | justin: negative. I'm in IN, it's in FL |
| 16:41.37 | stew | PiousMinion: "aptitude changelog packagename" or zless /usr/share/doc/$packagename/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 16:42.27 | stew | PiousMinion: or http://changelogs.debian.net/sourcepackagename |
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| 16:43.08 | PiousMinion | stew: thanks. :) |
| 16:43.10 | qmr | hoxu: could you tell me more about IP spoofing? |
| 16:43.39 | toor_ | jelly: and at some point, i can remember using the internal cd burner/dvd rom to burn cd's so i 'think' something changed... i've been running etch on this laptop for quite some time. |
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| 16:46.01 | hoxu | !spoofing |
| 16:46.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, spoofing is the gentle art of pretending to be something you aren't |
| 16:46.03 | hoxu | qmr ^ ;) |
| 16:46.04 | jelly | toor_: I have suspicions about burning being very broken in Linux. Try a newer kernel (like 2.6.24) |
| 16:46.15 | jelly | !etchnhalf |
| 16:46.15 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf, or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 16:47.05 | toor_ | jelly: no time like the present for an upgrade. thanks for the assist. |
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| 17:00.14 | octoserver | why would the date and time app freeze when trying to set it to update automatically ? |
| 17:00.55 | msshams | i see a repository named "etch-backports" in packages.debian .org can you tell me this repository address that i can add it to my /etc/apt.source ? and tell me that is it safe? |
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| 17:01.57 | hoxu | !tell msshams about bpo |
| 17:02.56 | msshams | hoxu: is this repository safe? |
| 17:03.15 | kriebel | define safe |
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| 17:03.41 | hoxu | msshams, not as safe as debian main I guess, but much safer than random debs you find from the internet |
| 17:03.47 | kriebel | I've used it to get newer versions of Iceweasel and OpenOffice.org |
| 17:04.03 | kriebel | I don't know how dangerous those can be |
| 17:04.17 | kriebel | but I think that's what it's made for |
| 17:04.36 | jelly | msshams: the packages are done by debian developers, and are of decent quality. They try not to break upgrades. |
| 17:04.57 | msshams | thank yous |
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| 17:05.07 | jelly | msshams: that said, bpo is _not_ part of debian, and there may be occasional breakage |
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| 17:06.26 | arnekaiser | hi there |
| 17:06.37 | hoxu | !flw |
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| 17:06.53 | hoxu | !ping |
| 17:06.53 | dpkg | pong |
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| 17:06.56 | arnekaiser | ich have a problem with a fresh install on a 3ware controller raid1 |
| 17:06.58 | hoxu | bah, someone broke it |
| 17:07.06 | msshams | i get this error after adding etch-backports to my sources.list and apt-get update. help me |
| 17:07.07 | msshams | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 17:07.08 | msshams | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 17:07.11 | Kramerz | hi a littlequestion: why apt-get install kdm kde installall the stuff ... apt-get remove kdm kde removes only 1mb of stuff ? |
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| 17:07.24 | hoxu | msshams, read the instructions |
| 17:07.32 | hoxu | !tell msshams about bpo |
| 17:07.52 | kriebel | Kramerz, that's how apt works. |
| 17:08.02 | hoxu | !tell Kramerz about why aptitude |
| 17:08.04 | Kramerz | so if one wnat to rmeove ? |
| 17:08.27 | hengha | I googled around but got no luck yet, on my debian etch NPTL is only 2.3.6, how can I upgrade it ? |
| 17:08.33 | kriebel | learn the crazyness of aptitude |
| 17:08.34 | hoxu | Kramerz, install aptitude. Go through all the packages you've installed and mark the ones you don't need with 'M' |
| 17:08.36 | kriebel | or apt-get uatoremove |
| 17:08.44 | kriebel | er, Kramerz: apt-get autoremove |
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| 17:09.40 | kriebel | arnekaiser: I was warned by our hosting provider that their 3ware cards aren't quite right in Lenny yet |
| 17:09.47 | kriebel | but they work in etch |
| 17:09.52 | kriebel | i.e. 2.6.18 |
| 17:10.11 | Kramerz | it says autoremove |
| 17:10.15 | Kramerz | isn't a valid op |
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| 17:10.35 | kriebel | then you have a really, really old apt |
| 17:10.46 | kriebel | use aptitude |
| 17:10.50 | Kramerz | just installed deb 4r4 |
| 17:10.52 | Kramerz | :( |
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| 17:10.58 | toor_ | jelly: i tried booting my cdrom....it failed. i stole the cdrom out of my not so bright co-worker and rebooted. cd burning with wodim is working as expected once again. should i tell my co-worker of should i get a good chuckle a ways down the road? |
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| 17:11.07 | kriebel | $ apt-get autoremove |
| 17:11.08 | stew | kriebel: not necessarily old. the one in stable doesn't have autoremove |
| 17:11.11 | arnekaiser_ | kriebel: the 9550 does not work in 2.6.18 |
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| 17:11.33 | kriebel | arnekaiser: sorry to hear that, but that's all I know |
| 17:11.33 | stew | kriebel: autoremove was added in 0.7 and etch has 0.6 |
| 17:11.37 | kriebel | oh |
| 17:11.39 | kriebel | huh... |
| 17:11.44 | arnekaiser_ | only with a edge cd patched by 3ware as far as I remember |
| 17:11.50 | msshams | can you tell me please that can i use this package with postfix? http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/dkim-filter |
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| 17:12.08 | toor_ | jelly: i think i'm going to opt for the chuckle. thanks again for the help ;) have a good weekend. |
| 17:12.59 | kriebel | I'm a big fan of debfoster, and don't really like aptitude |
| 17:13.11 | stew | msshams: have you checked /usr/share/doc/dkim-filter/README.Debian ? |
| 17:13.16 | kriebel | but for the sake of the children, I usually keep that to myself in here |
| 17:13.46 | torrr | can anyone tell me about bootable raid 5? |
| 17:13.51 | msshams | stew: if i must install it first then check this address? |
| 17:14.02 | stew | msshams: yes |
| 17:14.07 | torrr | (I have googled and most doc's I find are old from 2000) |
| 17:14.23 | jelly | kriebel: debfoster doesn't clean up aptitude/newer apt's assumptions of what should be installed :-| |
| 17:15.30 | kriebel | I guess it could break some of those things, but nothing beats it for a clean sweep |
| 17:16.31 | stew | msshams: i seem to be using "smtpd_milters = inet:127.0.0.1:54321,inet:127.0.0.1:54322" in main.cf to pipe mail through dkim-filter and dk-filter. but i belive you can also use unix domain sockets instead of tcp sockets |
| 17:16.45 | kriebel | perhaps you can explain what it is that aptitude is "assuming" should be installed on my system that isn't a dependency |
| 17:17.20 | msshams | commonly if i use apt-get, etch-backport hasn't any activity? if i must use apt-get -t etch-backport for working backport? |
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| 17:18.06 | netard | hi, I've added doc-linux-html with apt-get, but I'm not sure where its been installed to. how would I find that out? |
| 17:18.21 | kriebel | msshams, yes, so you don't overwrite packages from etch |
| 17:18.38 | kriebel | msshams, but I think packages installed from backports will update if the repo gets an update to them |
| 17:18.55 | kriebel | netard, dpkg -L doc-linux-html | less |
| 17:19.32 | netard | ah sweet, cheers thanks |
| 17:19.43 | kriebel | and remember, Debian loves you |
| 17:20.02 | kriebel | (in contrast to RPM distros) |
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| 17:20.17 | daniiel | smiles. |
| 17:20.25 | netard | I got a question on security.. is there really a need for a firewall on my machine I'f i've only got exim lsitening on localhost, and no other services are listening? |
| 17:20.38 | netard | i;ve always wondered this and from what I can tell, there's no need |
| 17:20.50 | daniiel | do you have a router ? |
| 17:20.55 | wols_ | you are right netard |
| 17:20.57 | kriebel | netard, not reall. run netstat -a as root to see what's really running |
| 17:21.02 | abbe | netard: i don't think so, on the contrary firewall will add an overhead. |
| 17:21.04 | kriebel | *really |
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| 17:21.46 | netard | only thing running is exim on localhost and bootpc, but listening on 0.0.0.0 |
| 17:22.56 | kriebel | mmm, nice and cool today. I think it's time to make the switch to boots |
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| 17:26.15 | torrr | anyone know if sw raid 5 can be bootable? |
| 17:26.40 | netard | anyone know what happened to the Kernel-HOWTO's? been a while since I used linux, and as far as I can tell it seems to be being re-written and only viewable online yeah? |
| 17:26.44 | datacrusher | hi folks, im trying to merge to debian my server, and i cant get my firebird db to work. iv exported on the windows server, but here on debina i got "Expected backup version 1, 2, or 3. Found 7" |
| 17:27.03 | datacrusher | iv googled that its about windows version 2.0, and linux 1.5 of firebird |
| 17:27.14 | datacrusher | is there a better way to solve this issue? |
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| 17:29.13 | stew | torrr: you'd need a small /boot partition outside the raid in order to contain an initrd which starts the raid and mounts / |
| 17:29.27 | _Novanet_ | hi all. Who used OpenVPN? |
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| 17:29.45 | stew | _Novanet_: many people. just ask your real question |
| 17:30.10 | _Novanet_ | my real question: i want make pptp-like vpn |
| 17:30.12 | torrr | stew: does that mean that all raid 5 disks are partitioned as [smal /boot;large /] ? |
| 17:30.15 | _Novanet_ | with openvpn |
| 17:30.23 | _Novanet_ | "virtual lan" |
| 17:31.03 | _Novanet_ | how i can do it |
| 17:31.19 | torrr | stew: will that /boot allow me raid reconstruction too in case of failure? |
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| 17:31.58 | torrr | stew: (PS, how small is enough for /boot?) |
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| 17:32.14 | Nazz | 30MB works for me |
| 17:32.14 | daniiel | is so glad he uses hardware raid =) |
| 17:32.30 | magyar_ | hi, I have a dual xeon box running on lenny with 2.6.26. It keeps doing weired things and popping up errors like " BUG: soft lockup CPU#1 stuck for 61s". Is ver 26 buggy ? |
| 17:32.59 | daniiel | magyar_ plain debian kernel ? |
| 17:33.04 | magyar_ | and freezes up. This error keeps repeating |
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| 17:33.12 | magyar_ | daniiel, yeap |
| 17:33.35 | magyar_ | daniiel, just installed it for the second time |
| 17:33.41 | kriebel | _Novanet_, you can make a pptp vpn in Linux too, if you didn't know. The advantage is that Windows needs to special software to connect to it |
| 17:33.45 | daniiel | same error both times? |
| 17:34.00 | _Novanet_ | kriebel: thx, i alredy do pptp 9POPTOP) |
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| 17:34.12 | _Novanet_ | now i want do it with openvpn |
| 17:34.34 | stew | torrr: you only need on /boot partition, not one on each disk |
| 17:34.43 | stew | torrr: i don't konw about radi reconstruction, i'm not a software raid user |
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| 17:34.46 | kriebel | well, it's on my plate for things to try, but I've never been successful, sorry |
| 17:34.57 | daniiel | magyar_, google search it, it appears to be a listed bug. |
| 17:35.08 | stew | _Novanet_: there are lots of same configs and docs in /usr/share/doc/openvpn, have you looked at those? |
| 17:35.41 | magyar_ | daniiel, Bug#497796 |
| 17:35.47 | magyar_ | for lenny |
| 17:35.48 | magyar_ | thanks |
| 17:35.53 | _Novanet_ | stew: i saw many manuals on eng lang, but i want russian manual :) |
| 17:36.08 | daniiel | magyar_ try using the 2.6.24 kernel, should work (supposedly) |
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| 17:36.20 | torrr | stew, OK, I ask because raid usually use a few disks of the the same size so I thought the partitions have to be the same size, and so the part I take of for /boot will probably need to be taken off at the other disks too. I also wonder if it is OK to have the raid on just a partition and not the whole disk |
| 17:36.22 | daniiel | until bug gets fixex. |
| 17:36.55 | Speereet | Hello. I have a Ricoh RL5c475 installed in a PCI socket plus a lucent pc24-3-h-fc plugged in. I have no idea on how to set these things up, nor I can find manuals on setting up pcmcia cards over cardbus bridge. What do you recommend? |
| 17:36.57 | magyar_ | daniiel, but no response to that bug. I wonder if its hardware related , but no sure how to test cpu |
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| 17:40.51 | magyar_ | daniiel, the problem is I cant install 2.6.24, as soon as I try to do anything after the login the system hangs with the above error |
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| 17:41.18 | netard | magyar: when you say -debian kernel- is that one you can find with apt-cache search linux-image ? |
| 17:41.55 | daniiel | yes there is a bug in the 2.6.26 with certain xeon's it seems |
| 17:42.02 | magyar_ | netard, hmm, I just installed lenny with a new installer |
| 17:42.21 | qmr | what is bash -e ?? |
| 17:42.24 | magyar_ | netard, i tried installing etch and it works fine |
| 17:42.25 | netard | sorry im new to debian, i was just wondering why the latest version i can see is 2.6.24 |
| 17:43.00 | daniiel | netard, are you using etch or lenny or ? |
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| 17:43.35 | netard | etch, but want to use the 2.6.25 kernel. i've tried looking up the kernel-howto but it doesn;t seem to be maintained anymore from what i can see |
| 17:44.10 | stew | netard: you can get 2.6.26 from bpo, /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 17:44.44 | daniiel | magyar, do you have a live linux cd (debian based) ? |
| 17:45.08 | magyar_ | daniiel, only the lenny installer |
| 17:45.23 | netard | stew: thats alright i've already got the 2.6.25 source, just trying to figure out where to go from here |
| 17:45.57 | daniiel | netard, http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.howtoforge.com%2Fkernel_compilation_debian_etch&ei=SOXTSPzSHpy28ASZlrSiCg&usg=AFQjCNHEnIPIITFvSt3s7P4BLli88vibNw&sig2=4-BWfpUcampCkDTd5nLs5Q |
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| 17:47.04 | magyar_ | which live cd would you suggest? |
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| 17:47.59 | netard | daniiel: sweet, thats what i was looking for cheers |
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| 17:48.02 | stew | netard: why do you want 2.6.25 instead of 2.6.24 or 2.6.26? why would you want to compile it instead of just using a precompied one? |
| 17:48.47 | daniiel | 2.6.26 has a bug in it with his xeon box, but i'd agree with stew, 2.6.24 |
| 17:49.34 | magyar_ | daniiel, also I find 2.6.26 buggy in general with acpi and ide-tape is completely f-ed at this point. Where 2.6.25 is working without issues. |
| 17:50.07 | kriebel | and yet 2.6.26 will be in Lenny |
| 17:50.14 | magyar_ | ouch |
| 17:50.14 | kriebel | and we're all going to hate it |
| 17:50.16 | netard | stew: because apparently its the only one with a patch so that I can use telstra wireless bigpond |
| 17:50.29 | daniiel | magyar_, any decent debian based live cd..you could chroot into your computer and install the 2.6.24 kernel |
| 17:50.39 | daniiel | err 2.6.25 |
| 17:50.53 | netard | stew: and I like compiling kernels manually ;) |
| 17:50.56 | daniiel | or your pick really |
| 17:51.29 | newt11 | how do I change the premissons crwsrw----? and what does c stands for? |
| 17:51.32 | magyar_ | hmm, I can do that with the installer cd in rescue mode |
| 17:51.34 | Speereet | Does anyone know how do I start a device plugged in a cardbus bridge? How do I identify it or tell the controller how to identify it? |
| 17:52.31 | abrotman | you load the driver |
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| 17:56.10 | asg | newt11: /msg dpkg permissions |
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| 17:58.12 | newt11 | no such file or directory |
| 17:58.16 | wols_ | Speereet: lspcmcia |
| 17:58.17 | Speereet | abrotman: I did load the driver for the cardbus (yenta_socket), and when I plugged in the lucent card, pccardctl status tells me there's a "5.0V 16-bit PC Card" in its only socket. pccardctl info has no relevant information. Even if I load manually the orinoco-cs driver, no device appears under lspci --- is it meant to appear? |
| 17:58.26 | abrotman | lspcmcia |
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| 17:58.38 | Speereet | Yeah, thank you abrotman, wols_. |
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| 17:59.02 | wols_ | newt11: stuff beginning with / is a irc "command" |
| 17:59.05 | asg | newt11: type '/msg dpkg permissions' in your irc client |
| 17:59.31 | daniiel | =) |
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| 17:59.58 | Speereet | Well, it just says the bus ID, and that it's driven by yenta_socket, abrotman, wols_. (I now recall that I've run this command before.) |
| 18:00.35 | newt11 | nothing happend |
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| 18:00.40 | wols_ | it should tell you what's in the socket too |
| 18:00.50 | wols_ | newt11: something did happen. dpkg messaged you |
| 18:00.51 | Speereet | Where is the lucent device supposed to appear? |
| 18:00.59 | asg | !permissions |
| 18:00.59 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 18:01.02 | asg | newt11: ^^^ |
| 18:01.05 | wols_ | device for what Speereet? |
| 18:01.49 | newt11 | !permissions |
| 18:01.49 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 18:02.07 | abrotman | Speereet: in lspcmcia |
| 18:02.10 | Speereet | It's a PCcard Wifi card, wols_, manufactored by Lucent Tech. |
| 18:02.25 | abrotman | is it PCMCIA or PC Express Card thingie ? |
| 18:02.26 | daniiel | does iwconfig (as root) list your card ? |
| 18:02.33 | wols_ | Speereet: dmesg should show something and ifconfig -a should show an interface |
| 18:02.40 | Speereet | Ah... But it doesn't appear. (It's PCMCIA) |
| 18:02.46 | newt11 | thanks for the help |
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| 18:03.12 | Speereet | Neither do. Could it be that the card is f. up? |
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| 18:03.29 | grendal_prime | im building a package that will require, upgrading the kernel to linux-image-2.6.6.18. I tried setting up a dependency in the control file. |
| 18:03.30 | abrotman | are any lights on with the card? |
| 18:03.32 | grendal_prime | Depends: sudo (>=1.6.8p12-4),linux-image-2.6.686 (=2.6.18+6et) |
| 18:03.46 | magyar_ | blehh, sucks to work chrooted in rescue mode at 680x460 |
| 18:03.48 | abrotman | that's not a debian kernel |
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| 18:04.03 | armornick | hey guys, can someone point me to a site on how to create a debian-based linux distro? |
| 18:04.09 | abrotman | ius it? |
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| 18:04.19 | stew | grendal_prime: you can't really do that reliably |
| 18:04.20 | daniiel | magyar_ when booting cd: rescue vga=792 |
| 18:04.20 | abrotman | !tell armornick about ccd |
| 18:04.25 | abrotman | !tell armornick about cdd |
| 18:04.25 | stew | grendal_prime: (as evidenced by udev) |
| 18:04.26 | grendal_prime | but when i try and install it it says it cant do this. |
| 18:04.50 | wols_ | abrotman: it is |
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| 18:04.56 | stew | grendal_prime: there is no good way to make a package depend on a certain kernel being installed |
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| 18:05.21 | armornick | abrotman, thanks |
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| 18:05.25 | wols_ | stew: so what can one do? runtime checks? |
| 18:05.37 | grendal_prime | ok sooooo i just have them install the new kernel..first then the package? |
| 18:06.11 | wols_ | grendal_prime: this kernel is the standard etch one. there shouldn't be any kernel with a lower version in existence |
| 18:06.20 | wols_ | at least not supported |
| 18:06.34 | daniiel | Speereet, did you say your card listed as a 16bit card ? i think yenta is for 32 bit cards isn't it ? (if i remember form kernel compile) |
| 18:06.37 | grendal_prime | yaaa well these are old machines... |
| 18:06.37 | Speereet | abrotman, wols_: no, no leds. Excuse me for not having noticed that before, for the card is in the servers room. I feel lazy. Sorry about that, and thank you for your help. Now. |
| 18:06.53 | Speereet | daniiel: Indeed, I said that. |
| 18:07.10 | grendal_prime | they have 2.6.4.18 |
| 18:07.16 | grendal_prime | i believe it is. |
| 18:07.24 | abrotman | 2.6.18-4- ? |
| 18:07.25 | wols_ | grendal_prime: unpossible. that version doesn't exist |
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| 18:07.33 | tyler7382 | i can't figure out how to get file system information using glibc, does anyone know of a way to? |
| 18:07.39 | grendal_prime | ? |
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| 18:07.45 | wols_ | tyler7382: stat? |
| 18:07.57 | tyler7382 | doesn't work for devices, or links for that matter |
| 18:08.03 | tyler7382 | or i can't get it to anyways |
| 18:08.12 | tyler7382 | using /dev/sda1, or /mnt/point |
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| 18:08.15 | Speereet | Now, are the leds enabled when I plug it in, or only if the correct driver is loaded? |
| 18:08.19 | wols_ | what info exactly? |
| 18:08.28 | tyler7382 | file system capacity and free space |
| 18:08.30 | tyler7382 | like from df |
| 18:08.32 | extor | Which antivirus do people usually use to scan their emails, for home and non commercial use that is? |
| 18:08.34 | magyar_ | daniiel, i figure it will not work in "rescue"... bahh, now where do i get 2.6.24 for lenny, I am in main/l/linux2.6.24 but its all etch stuff |
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| 18:08.39 | daniiel | Speereet, in my kernels menuconfig, it lists "pcmcia" as the 16bit pcmcia driver, and yenta is in the 32bit section |
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| 18:08.46 | asg | extor: clamav |
| 18:09.38 | wols_ | magyar_: get the etchnhalf kernel |
| 18:09.44 | extor | sees clamAV in the deb packages but not avast |
| 18:09.50 | format_c | tyler7382, look at the source code of df. |
| 18:09.51 | extor | any reason avast is not there? |
| 18:09.51 | grendal_prime | its 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 18:09.59 | wols_ | extor: avast is proprietary software |
| 18:10.06 | tyler7382 | format_c, i started to. i haven't been able to figure out how they do it yet |
| 18:10.10 | extor | asg, does clam-av work with icedove nicely? |
| 18:10.33 | wols_ | extor: why do you need a virus scanner? |
| 18:10.47 | format_c | tyler7382, then it'll probably hard for you to develop |
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| 18:10.58 | Speereet | daniiel: Now it says yenta_socket cannot be removed. What might be using it? |
| 18:11.02 | tyler7382 | that's all i need |
| 18:11.04 | tyler7382 | is that simpel command |
| 18:11.06 | extor | wols_, just to see if anyone sends me viruses through email? I mean why not? |
| 18:11.10 | magyar_ | wols_, thanks |
| 18:11.14 | tyler7382 | i'm lookin gat http://www.raspberryginger.com/jbailey/minix/html/df_8c-source.html |
| 18:11.31 | tyler7382 | i just need to add a command to get that information |
| 18:11.42 | wols_ | extor: anyone with two braincells can sport a virus mail ten miles out |
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| 18:12.08 | wols_ | extor: and those viruses can't harm your debian. and no there is no AV that works directly with icedove |
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| 18:12.16 | kdubois | what package has chroot in it? |
| 18:12.17 | wols_ | s/sport/spot |
| 18:12.25 | wols_ | !tell kdubois about search |
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| 18:12.29 | daniiel | Speereet, lsmod | grep pcmcia |
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| 18:12.32 | Speereet | How can I know what is using a certain kernel module? |
| 18:12.47 | extor | wols_, but still it would be nice to know who is trying to own me through pop3 |
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| 18:12.59 | Speereet | daniiel: yes, it is there, but lspcmcia lists a socket managed by yenta_socket. |
| 18:13.08 | extor | wols_, also how do you know there will not be any exploits coming up soon for icedove? |
| 18:13.18 | wols_ | extor: bad men in russia and china and US are. you don't know them. |
| 18:13.46 | wols_ | extor: I doN't. but I do know that AV is snakeoil, bullshit to waste money on |
| 18:14.02 | wols_ | a bandaid for gullible people |
| 18:14.23 | abrotman | US? |
| 18:14.25 | extor | errrr it's free though |
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| 18:14.37 | kdubois | wols_: apt-cache search reports like 5 chroot packages, but i dont know what one is just plain chroot... |
| 18:14.41 | extor | and people DO send worms through email |
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| 18:15.05 | extor | Isnt chroot a bit outdated, as in level of sophistication? |
| 18:15.09 | wols_ | abrotman: lots of bad people in the US, you should know. the mail comes from korea or china. but the ones profiting are in the US |
| 18:15.34 | wols_ | kdubois: and apt-cache is the wrong thing to check. dpkg -S is the proper one |
| 18:15.46 | abrotman | hands wols_ a tin foil hat |
| 18:15.48 | kdubois | wols_: my problem is that /usr/sbin isnt in my PATH, sorry |
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| 18:16.06 | wols_ | kdubois: and that has relevance to anything? |
| 18:16.19 | format_c | tyler7382, no there is no "easy" command to get free disk space |
| 18:16.32 | kdubois | i thought it wasn't installed, when in reality it was, but i couldn't find it |
| 18:16.36 | wols_ | tyler7382: mos likely df uses /proc |
| 18:16.58 | format_c | tyler7382, what you definetly need is #include <servers/fs/super.h> |
| 18:17.01 | wols_ | kdubois: to search for stuff that isn't installed use pdo or apt-file |
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| 18:17.15 | stew | kdubois: its in /sbin becuase only root can chroot normally (sbin is typically in root's path but not users') |
| 18:17.33 | format_c | There are the structs that can read the super blocks |
| 18:17.40 | Speereet | Hmm... The actual problem could be in the reader. It's a Ricoh RL5c475. |
| 18:17.50 | format_c | but how the complete process works you need to study how df works |
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| 18:18.20 | format_c | tyler7382, But why don't you just use the df command and parse the output. |
| 18:18.29 | format_c | will be much more efficient |
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| 18:19.24 | Speereet | reboots servers and crosses fingers. |
| 18:20.25 | jthomas__ | I just installed the newest 2.6.26 ^*^ kernel on my home machine and my audio is all screwey; I need to have Line In set to record to hear anything, and it needs to be at just the right location on the mixer for that channel or it mutes everything; also my audio is overly loud and causes distortion unless i crank it waay down, and then it soulds hissy... ideas? |
| 18:20.32 | jthomas__ | ^*^ sould be 686 |
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| 18:21.13 | daniiel | alsaconf ? |
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| 18:21.27 | Speereet | Eh, eh, eh... finger crossing _just_ works. Thank you all daniiel, abrotman and wols_. |
| 18:21.57 | aliases123 | pft if yo uare worried about icedove open it as another user |
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| 18:22.04 | abrotman | pcmcia .. server? |
| 18:22.05 | jthomas__ | daniiel: what about it? is it a file or a command? I don't have the command |
| 18:22.35 | daniiel | jthomas (as root), aptitude update && aptitude -y install alsa ; alsaconf |
| 18:22.44 | aliases123 | abrotman: laptop batteries make for good usps ;) |
| 18:23.03 | jthomas__ | Lenny: E: Couldn't find package alsaconf |
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| 18:23.21 | pickcoder | aliases123: usps? |
| 18:23.29 | abrotman | aliases123: or you could get a real UPS |
| 18:23.41 | abrotman | pickcoder: uninteruptable power supply |
| 18:23.43 | aliases123 | its alsa-tools i think. |
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| 18:23.46 | pickcoder | oh.. ups |
| 18:23.48 | abrotman | i spelled that poorly :) |
| 18:23.53 | pickcoder | not be confused with "brown" |
| 18:24.09 | aliases123 | abrotman: ah dude you need REAL power then too. like ... usps are great for a short time but then its expensive to keep them up. |
| 18:24.14 | abrotman | pickcoder: you've got twins on the brain :) |
| 18:24.16 | pickcoder | and their idiotic zip-code collect account "fraud prevention" |
| 18:24.29 | aliases123 | sure datacentres just turn on a generator but that's a whole different elvel |
| 18:24.30 | abrotman | yeah .. laptops don't require real power .. |
| 18:24.32 | Speereet | abrotman: have no idea... The server was running before. :-S |
| 18:24.42 | pickcoder | aliases123: not all of them do.. |
| 18:24.49 | daniiel | jthomas__, did you install the alsa package ? |
| 18:25.02 | aliases123 | pickcoder: many do. / have backup / fuel tankers ready to go. |
| 18:25.13 | maligor | mm.. you could order batteries daily through UPS for a brown sort of UPS |
| 18:25.25 | pickcoder | I wanted a diesel system but it was just too much $ |
| 18:25.26 | abrotman | maligor: they're not fully charged when they arrive |
| 18:25.41 | maligor | I meant the non-rechargeable sort |
| 18:26.00 | pickcoder | this tripplite 10kVA system likes to drop the load during blackouts... |
| 18:26.14 | jthomas__ | ok daniiel and aliases123 i installed alsa-tools and alsa; i am running alsaconf now |
| 18:26.18 | aliases123 | abrotman: i see nothing wrong with a laptop behind a good ups for a really really critical system. |
| 18:26.31 | aliases123 | that isn't too intensive (very light) |
| 18:26.45 | daniiel | or a laptop cluster ? =) |
| 18:26.50 | pickcoder | aliases123: I don't see anything critical running on a laptop |
| 18:26.54 | maligor | a mirrored laptop cluster |
| 18:26.55 | pickcoder | that seems really counter productive |
| 18:27.02 | magyar_ | daniiel, 2.6.24 works like a champ, so it seems like an issue with 2.6.26 |
| 18:27.04 | pickcoder | especially when it overheats |
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| 18:27.21 | aliases123 | pickcoder: would have to be some thing very specific i guess. |
| 18:27.22 | jthomas__ | alsaconf tells me that with testng and an up-to-date kernel ( I have both) i don't need alsaconf, but i am running it anyways since it sounds horrible at home |
| 18:27.37 | jthomas__ | i cannot test it tho until i get home later tho :( |
| 18:27.38 | daniiel | magyar_, yay! (and yes it's a reported bug, problems to be expected) |
| 18:28.19 | aliases123 | more to the point -can only one point me to an easy to use pxe method with some customisation for debian ? |
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| 18:28.39 | aliases123 | i see that there is now a debian live part of debian (in testing). |
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| 18:29.28 | Larcen_ | hi all |
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| 18:30.21 | jthomas__ | daniiel and aliases123 now alsaconf is finished; when i run alsamixer i don't see any way to adjust master nor others that i did have before; PCM, my hated 'other master' channel, isn't even there... |
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| 18:31.23 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hi, i just installed the 1st cd of lenny, and i want to convert it to sid, cant anyone paste me the sources.list for sid ? i am new to debian |
| 18:31.48 | daniiel | then why use sid ? |
| 18:31.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | cause i need a bleeding edge distro |
| 18:32.01 | jthomas__ | sh4d3sl4y3r_: edit as root /etc/apt/sources.list and change all words of 'lenny' or 'testing' to 'sid'; then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:32.05 | magyar_ | daniiel, thank you. I hope 26 will mature before release |
| 18:32.08 | aliases123 | sh4d3sl4y3r_: i think people are recommending sidux ? |
| 18:32.11 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: don't do that |
| 18:32.15 | abrotman | aliases123: don't do that either |
| 18:32.18 | jthomas__ | lol |
| 18:32.23 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | no sidux is bullshit, has no xfs support out of the box |
| 18:32.54 | stew | sh4d3sl4y3r_: our advice is generally: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
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| 18:35.20 | abrotman | or you could just tell him that most of sid is 'slushy' until lenny releases |
| 18:35.28 | stew | heh |
| 18:35.57 | pickcoder | mmm.. cherry slushy |
| 18:35.57 | aliases123 | abrotman: he might then ask for experimental |
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| 18:36.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i have used sidux for a while, the installer sucks |
| 18:36.06 | Nuno__ | hi |
| 18:36.32 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | so wanted to convert lenny to sid instead |
| 18:36.35 | stew | "/msg dpkg experimental" covers it pretty well |
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| 18:36.44 | Nuno__ | someone who use plesk 8.6? |
| 18:36.52 | abrotman | Plesk is not in Debian .. |
| 18:37.01 | abrotman | did you try #plesk ? |
| 18:37.07 | pickcoder | neither is hylafax++ |
| 18:37.11 | pickcoder | :/ |
| 18:37.13 | stew | sh4d3sl4y3r_: what do you need from sid that isn't in lenny? |
| 18:37.25 | abrotman | hylafax is |
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| 18:37.29 | path_ | BTW congrats to the iceweasel team on lenny :-) |
| 18:37.31 | abrotman | stew: BLOOD! |
| 18:37.36 | pickcoder | abrotman: there are two source trees |
| 18:37.38 | Nuno__ | ok, thanks |
| 18:37.40 | abrotman | pickcoder: i know |
| 18:37.41 | Nuno__ | sorry.. |
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| 18:37.48 | path_ | I've just installed and several buts are closed now |
| 18:37.55 | path_ | s/buts/bugs |
| 18:37.57 | aliases123 | files another iceweasel bug for changing cookie preference back to "when they expire" |
| 18:38.02 | pickcoder | I own mainpine hardware so I had to go with the non-debian release |
| 18:38.11 | pickcoder | since hylafax.org is not supported |
| 18:38.17 | pickcoder | though they're both GPL |
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| 18:38.27 | subsume | How do I make find shut up when encountering an error? |
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| 18:38.52 | stew | subsume: "find .... 2>/dev/null" will send the errors to the bit bucket |
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| 18:39.12 | subsume | weird. |
| 18:39.17 | subsume | there isn't a 'quiet' switch? |
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| 18:39.28 | pickcoder | subsume: there isn't a man page? |
| 18:39.31 | {uX}l`VampyrCeil | what's 'MTA'? |
| 18:39.37 | {uX}l`VampyrCeil | .. |
| 18:39.37 | pickcoder | MTA == mail transfer agent |
| 18:39.45 | subsume | pickcoder: yes, there is. I couldn't find anything on the matter |
| 18:39.49 | subsume | pickcoder: i'm sure its there |
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| 18:40.18 | ceil420 | pickcoder, oh, i was hoping it'd be something i could disable from mah kernel :x |
| 18:40.19 | stew | {uX}l`VampyrCeil: the part mail server software that is responsible for moving mail from one machine to another. |
| 18:40.22 | subsume | is it nowarn? |
| 18:40.33 | ceil420 | not to sound petty, but that extra 15-20 seconds boot time while it checks it is annoying |
| 18:40.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok i enabled the sid repo, thanks |
| 18:40.50 | ceil420 | (thanks pickcoder/stew) |
| 18:40.57 | pickcoder | ceil420: nullmail |
| 18:41.02 | pickcoder | if you don't use internet mail |
| 18:41.03 | stew | subsume: no, nowarn is so it doesn't bitch when you say "-type f -maxdepth 1" |
| 18:41.04 | subsume | i'm still getting no warn |
| 18:41.09 | subsume | yeah |
| 18:41.11 | subsume | crap. |
| 18:41.14 | subsume | i'll try your way stew |
| 18:41.18 | subsume | that certainly isn't in the man pages. |
| 18:41.20 | subsume | =) |
| 18:41.27 | ceil420 | pickcoder, i may get around to using mutt again or something for my mail :x |
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| 18:41.32 | pickcoder | ceil420: fix your hostname + DNS and it won't sit around |
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| 18:41.56 | subsume | stew: can you interpret that for me? what does 2 signify? verbosity level? |
| 18:41.57 | ceil420 | pickcoder, if that's what it'd take, i'd rather have the hostname |
| 18:42.01 | ceil420 | thanks for the advice, though |
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| 18:42.17 | ceil420 | maybe the thorn will twist a bit more in my side and i'll decide to change my mind in the future :x |
| 18:42.29 | stew | subsume: redirect stderr to /dev/null |
| 18:42.33 | ceil420 | wow, TORCS' site is online :o |
| 18:42.34 | subsume | ok |
| 18:42.36 | subsume | lol. |
| 18:42.39 | subsume | I trust you I guess |
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| 18:43.08 | ceil420 | subsume, i load Conky like that, just so i don't have to see it's "coming online" message |
| 18:43.16 | subsume | ok, cool |
| 18:43.19 | ceil420 | (conky 2> /dev/null) |
| 18:43.25 | subsume | Can someone help me make more sensible output of tcpdump? |
| 18:43.34 | subsume | I want to see what everyone is looking at on my LAN |
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| 18:43.40 | subsume | but I get lots of messages I don't really understand |
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| 18:45.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | well , when exactly is lenny scheduled to release? |
| 18:45.44 | daniiel | subsume try google ? |
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| 18:46.43 | stew | sh4d3sl4y3r_: debian doesn't schedule release dates. Its going to be released whenever it no longer has any release critical bugs: /msg dpkg lenny-status |
| 18:46.50 | pickcoder | subsume: wireshark or iptraf |
| 18:46.52 | enouf | subsume: i hear wireshark can help |
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| 18:47.14 | pickcoder | wireshark is far more complex and iptraf is sometimes too broad |
| 18:47.33 | Philluminati | Anyone running this weeks "weekly build of debian"? |
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| 18:48.08 | wols_ | stew: debian does schedule releases. just just never met their set dates :) |
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| 18:48.45 | abrotman | Philluminati: no such thing |
| 18:48.48 | daniiel | Philluminati, i am running an fully-updated lenny, does that count ? |
| 18:48.53 | p1ngp0ng | heh, debian shut down because critical temperature was reach (144c) |
| 18:49.09 | asg | p1ngp0ng: running debian on a toaster? |
| 18:49.20 | daniiel | giggles. |
| 18:49.20 | p1ngp0ng | lenny the new toaster. |
| 18:49.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
| 18:49.35 | Philluminati | no such thing as this: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/? |
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| 18:49.53 | daniiel | i have heard of those linux toasters before.. |
| 18:50.11 | daniiel | Philluminati, thats the new installer, what about it ? |
| 18:50.19 | p1ngp0ng | all i did was having my latop on my lap on my blanket |
| 18:50.24 | enouf | has a linux washer/dryer combo + jacuzzi attachment |
| 18:50.33 | p1ngp0ng | never had this issue with etch |
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| 18:50.52 | daniiel | p1ngp0ng, if you block the air intake holes.. |
| 18:51.00 | Philluminati | I got confused during the install because my wireless didn't work and then my sources.list only contained the cdrom entries. Can someone point me to a valid full copy of a sources.list file please? |
| 18:51.11 | daniiel | etch or lenny |
| 18:51.12 | p1ngp0ng | well, as i said. it never happend with etch. it might be the driver |
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| 18:51.17 | asg | p1ngp0ng: yeah, the air intake-bypass functionality was removed in lenny due to licensing restrictions |
| 18:51.27 | Philluminati | lenny |
| 18:51.27 | pickcoder | heh |
| 18:51.29 | Nuno__ | anyone using debian 4 etch and plesk? |
| 18:51.44 | Philluminati | the new installer is *really nice* |
| 18:51.50 | p1ngp0ng | asg. you're a funy one arent you |
| 18:52.00 | daniiel | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 18:52.01 | Philluminati | Ubuntu users will flock to debian |
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| 18:52.21 | daniiel | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
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| 18:52.33 | Philluminati | thanks daniiel |
| 18:52.36 | path_ | anyone using deluge 0.5.9.3-1 on a lenny machine ? |
| 18:52.37 | daniiel | np =) |
| 18:52.45 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ubuntu |
| 18:52.48 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yucks |
| 18:52.50 | p1ngp0ng | if ubunutu users flocks to debian i will flock to slackware again |
| 18:52.55 | daniiel | i am using deluge-torrent |
| 18:53.01 | path_ | can't find any report on this bug |
| 18:53.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
| 18:53.07 | path_ | gotta paste the strace |
| 18:53.27 | stew | flocks to /var/run/stew.lock |
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| 18:53.59 | abrotman | tries to write to stew |
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| 18:54.16 | abrotman | grrr .. mrs stew owns the lock! |
| 18:54.19 | asg | abrotman: you should HUP him too |
| 18:54.33 | abrotman | narcoleptic? |
| 18:55.03 | abrotman | PIGGY! |
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| 18:55.13 | abrotman | sussudio: are you leaving too?! |
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| 18:55.39 | stew | piggy went to jackalopejacks |
| 18:55.50 | abrotman | mmm .. beer |
| 18:55.56 | abrotman | :pubtime |
| 18:56.00 | asg | piggy's going to have a rough night on the can then |
| 18:56.00 | abrotman | !pubtime |
| 18:56.00 | dpkg | methinks pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 18:56.01 | phorce1 | wonders if he'll toast something by plugging in the power connector on the PATA drive he forgot to hook up <sigh> (why couldn't it have been one of the SATA drives -- I hate rebooting for stupidity) |
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| 18:56.33 | abrotman | you'll be more angry when the system goes up in flames because of your resistance to rebooting |
| 18:56.41 | phorce1 | abrotman: heh |
| 18:56.45 | enouf | phorce1: reboot |
| 18:56.45 | path_ | http://debian.pastebin.com/f59f1e7cc |
| 18:56.46 | stew | phorce1: you can do whatever you want with PATA power connectors on a drive that isn't connected to a controller |
| 18:56.48 | path_ | have fun |
| 18:56.49 | path_ | :) |
| 18:57.46 | phorce1 | stew: I connected the controller cable -- forgot the power. Was having other network issues and added a drive while pulling a suspected bad network card. Yep, the card was bad. |
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| 18:58.10 | Agiofws | is there an option in OOO to convert c letters to CAPS ? |
| 18:58.16 | daniiel | path_, did you install deluge-torrent with aptitude ? |
| 18:58.19 | abrotman | lower case to upper case? |
| 18:58.41 | Agiofws | abrotman, yes |
| 18:58.44 | enouf | Agiofws: #openoffice.org channel? or something similarly named .. |
| 18:58.45 | path_ | hammer:~# cat .bash_history |grep 'deluge' |
| 18:58.46 | phorce1 | says cheap Zonet cards are great when they work, but the 1 in 3 failure rate sucks. |
| 18:58.47 | path_ | aptitude install deluge-torrent |
| 18:58.54 | pickcoder | oconv(file.data,"MCU") |
| 18:58.59 | sussudio | why did half the internet just split on me? |
| 18:59.00 | enouf | Agiofws: tr can do that on text |
| 18:59.15 | stew | sussudio: friday, quittin time |
| 18:59.30 | path_ | abrotman, I should have done it with apt-get maybe? :/ |
| 18:59.33 | enouf | sussudio: phorce1 set it up :-p |
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| 18:59.49 | phorce1 | enouf: ouch |
| 18:59.52 | path_ | since I didnt use aptitude without no recommend packages and so on |
| 18:59.54 | enouf | they forgot to connect a certain ... er cable :-) |
| 18:59.56 | sussudio | phorwhat |
| 19:00.10 | abrotman | Piggy!!!!!!!! |
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| 19:00.17 | enouf | navaroni .. as in the san francisco treat ;-0 |
| 19:00.55 | sgharvey | building amarok-1.4.10 from "apt-get source amarok" fails after adding "--with-mp4v2" to DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS in debian/rules. |
| 19:00.58 | sgharvey | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.07 | path_ | abrotman, is it piggy to use aptitude sometimes I know :D |
| 19:01.16 | path_ | s/is/it's |
| 19:01.26 | enouf | !tell sgharvey about debian/rules |
| 19:01.28 | sgharvey | "./.libs/libamarok.so: undefined reference to `MP4GetMetadataComment'" |
| 19:02.37 | enouf | sgharvey: the ./configure is run on upstream source though, yes? |
| 19:03.06 | abrotman | path_: uh what? |
| 19:03.06 | path_ | daniiel I meant, should I have used apt-get instead of aptitude ? |
| 19:03.14 | path_ | wrong nickname :-) |
| 19:03.29 | abrotman | path_: piggy is a different kind of animal than aptitude |
| 19:03.36 | path_ | sorry for the \007 :D |
| 19:03.49 | abrotman | path_: http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 19:04.00 | path_ | going |
| 19:04.30 | path_ | hahaha I use pisg on my local community too, its fun |
| 19:04.45 | sgharvey | enouf: not sure what you mean by upstream source; i believe apt-get source <programname> is pulling from debian-testing |
| 19:04.53 | abrotman | stew: we need to get you a picture there :) |
| 19:04.59 | abrotman | though .. i didn't pick mine |
| 19:05.04 | sgharvey | which is what i'm running off of |
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| 19:05.37 | path_ | abrotman, when did you upload that? seems a new feature :) |
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| 19:06.09 | abrotman | it's quite old .. check the bottom of the page |
| 19:06.13 | abrotman | it goes back to 2002 IIRC |
| 19:06.23 | enouf | sgharvey: your deb sources come with a ./configure file? |
| 19:06.26 | abrotman | 2003 .. whatever |
| 19:06.33 | sgharvey | yes |
| 19:06.40 | sgharvey | enouf: yes |
| 19:06.49 | path_ | douh didn't see it before |
| 19:07.05 | Gruelius | Are there any tar applications that can make archives splitted over different size volumes? Just thinking of backing up my array JBOD stlyle over my old ex array harddisks |
| 19:07.06 | sgharvey | enouf: i did not know about "fakeroot debian/rules binary", but running "dpkg-buildpackage -b" after editing debian/rules did result in configure messages telling me that amarok will be built with mp4 tag editing |
| 19:07.18 | Gruelius | winrar has a perfect feature but dont really want to use that lol |
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| 19:07.55 | Gruelius | never mind, winrar has a linux binary might as well use that, unless something better exists |
| 19:08.08 | daniiel | maybe it's a .rar thing ? |
| 19:08.11 | abrotman | Gruelius: can't you just use split? |
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| 19:08.34 | format_c | Know a good wysiwyg-HTML editor? |
| 19:08.37 | Gruelius | daniiel: could be, abrotman: googling split |
| 19:08.39 | sgharvey | enouf: currently running "fakeroot debian/rules binary" after editing debian/rules on clean sources from "apt-get source amarok". |
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| 19:08.57 | Cupu | Hello! If someone can please help, I've done a minimal latest debian install but the install procedure failed to detect my ethernet card. I've got a hold of the kernel modules for my card (atheros L2) and loaded them but I am at a loss as how to get a hold of the eth0 interface at this point (to configure it via ifconfig) if someone can please help .. |
| 19:09.13 | daniiel | there is a linux rar & unrar (in non-free i believe) |
| 19:09.42 | Gruelius | abrotman: cant use split because i have a 1.5tb array that i want to back up fully onto 7 200gb harddisks + other harddisks. I dont have the space available to create the initial 1.5tb file for splitting |
| 19:09.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | is thr a gyache in the repos? |
| 19:09.49 | daniiel | !tell Cupu about atheros |
| 19:09.56 | p1ngp0ng | when i reinstalled debian, i left my /home partition alone. now my new /home is part of / on one partition, is it possible to repartition my disk and have /home on the current unformated old /home partition? |
| 19:10.01 | p1ngp0ng | or something :S |
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| 19:10.31 | sgharvey | format_c: "apt-cache search wysiwyg html" |
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| 19:10.57 | Tramp | I tried a netinstall of lenny (daily build) on a machine without cdrom. I copied the contents of the iso to sdb1 and dd'ed the iso itself to sdb3. Booting the installer-kernel of sdb1 went fine, mounting the iso-image on sdb3 went fine too. |
| 19:11.02 | Cupu | danniiel: thank you very much for the pointer .. I did get the modules and they're loaded in the kernel (atl2) but when starting up the eth0 interface is no where to be found |
| 19:11.07 | sepski | Cupu, ifconfig -a to look for unconfigured interfaces |
| 19:11.27 | daniiel | Cupu you need the firmware |
| 19:11.37 | daniiel | for atheros, madwifi |
| 19:11.51 | Tramp | hardware-detection, disk partitioning etc. went fine. installing base system failed with "debootstrap error - failed to determine codename" |
| 19:11.54 | renga | some can tell me if is a bad idea to use lvm in desktop computer, a computer that I shutdown all the nights? |
| 19:11.54 | Cupu | daniiel: I have the atl2-modules package installed |
| 19:11.57 | p1ngp0ng | Tramp: i think you are just supose to write the linux image to /dev/sdb |
| 19:12.05 | p1ngp0ng | not sdb1,2,3 etc |
| 19:12.20 | Gruelius | p1ngp0ng: you want to use your old home partition? you can mount it with fstab but i would delete all non data files (configs e.t.c.) from the old home directory and copy over the new ones |
| 19:12.22 | Cupu | sepski: I"ll go and try that thank you very much and daniiel also |
| 19:12.23 | daniiel | *agrees with p1ngp0ng |
| 19:12.26 | Tramp | p1ngp0ng: I cannot do that - and however, it went fine, I could mount it perfectly |
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| 19:12.40 | abrotman | Gruelius: i can't recall the application, but IIRC there is an app that will archive over multiple disks |
| 19:12.43 | sussudio | i can't get to google now. |
| 19:12.50 | Gruelius | abrotman: dump does it perfectly |
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| 19:13.08 | abrotman | and all i can find is amanda |
| 19:13.11 | Tramp | after that I did a manual debootstrap to /target, but still the installer thinks, I have not finished the "install base system" step. |
| 19:13.22 | Gruelius | abrotman: but if i use a winrar file on a actual file system it can be read out of sequence easily. And you can easily use half a disk for one archive and the rest for another |
| 19:13.42 | Tramp | so is there a trick to (1) fool the installer to think this step is done or (2) get around this "cannot determine codename" error earlier? |
| 19:14.19 | hatemsh | phlux you need a virtual machine like vmware |
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| 19:14.51 | Tramp | I think (1) is equivalent to "where on disk does the installer keep its state" |
| 19:15.09 | p1ngp0ng | Gruelius: yes i can mount it, but the problem is that it is on a diferent partion /dev/sda6 but home /home is on the root partition. so i want to have my system use sda6 as my home instead. if you know what i mean |
| 19:15.37 | Gruelius | yeah |
| 19:15.43 | abrotman | Tramp: wouldn't it be in the init.d stuff? |
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| 19:15.53 | abrotman | Tramp: or ask #debian-boot on oftc |
| 19:15.54 | Gruelius | delete configs e.t.c. like the hidden .blah directories |
| 19:15.56 | Gruelius | copy over new ones |
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| 19:16.14 | Tramp | abrotman: hmm, ok, I have a look |
| 19:16.19 | eve | can anybody in testing tell me if has the variable "runlevel" set ? |
| 19:16.20 | Tramp | abrotman: tq |
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| 19:16.32 | Gruelius | then in fstab put something like "/dev/sda6 /home ext3 defaults 0 2" |
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| 19:16.54 | Gruelius | thats for a ext3 partition and dont ask me about the 0 and 2, from memory its to do with error checking. I learnt it and set it ages ago |
| 19:17.03 | enouf | sgharvey: indeed, there is a configure - and hte --help is as many options as mplayer :-p |
| 19:17.04 | p1ngp0ng | Gruelius: but my root partition isnt big enough to hold all the files in my original /home. so i wold need to tell my sytem that my /home is located on another partition somehow |
| 19:17.19 | abrotman | eve: set where? |
| 19:17.37 | abrotman | eve: if i run "runlevel" it spits out "N 2" |
| 19:17.37 | eve | abrotman: in your simple terminal in X |
| 19:17.46 | phorce1 | Does anyone know of a debianized (or any Linux/Xorg actually) gps capable mapping program like the Winblows stuff offered by DeLorme? My laptop is my last personal Winblows machine because I really like that 17" widescreen GPS on long trips. |
| 19:17.47 | eve | abrotman: no, just the variable |
| 19:17.54 | eve | echo $runlevel |
| 19:17.58 | abrotman | nope |
| 19:18.01 | eve | ok thx |
| 19:18.01 | abrotman | this is not in X though |
| 19:18.04 | Gruelius | pingpoong did u get my msg? talkin that, leaves the channel shiny |
| 19:18.20 | abrotman | kids need to work on your tab complete |
| 19:18.26 | p1ngp0ng | oh didnt see it until now sorry |
| 19:18.38 | Gruelius | i just sent it then, talk to me in that |
| 19:18.39 | phorce1 | eve: no -- and I'm in X |
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| 19:19.53 | sophacles_work | hi all. i know that /etc/X11/Xsession sets the environment vars SSH_AGENT_PID and SSH_AUTH_SOCK. is there a way to change these at that level. id rather not restart X, and i dont want to have to set them on a per process basis |
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| 19:21.28 | Nuno__ | I want to know why that is not working as Plesk PHP5 |
| 19:21.35 | enouf | sgharvey: hrm, looking at the .diff.gz, i see in the section; +DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS that the option you gave is not listed there |
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| 19:23.25 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 19:23.43 | HardDisk_WP | has anyone a *really* easy description of the imap protocol? |
| 19:24.06 | HardDisk_WP | i only need to know how to login/out, get folder list and get emails |
| 19:24.27 | pickcoder | the RFC should be simple enough to read |
| 19:24.30 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: yes there are rfcs |
| 19:24.36 | wols_ | and the rfc is easy to read |
| 19:24.38 | enouf | imap just means the files are stored on the server HardDisk_WP |
| 19:24.42 | HardDisk_WP | yeah^^ |
| 19:25.01 | HardDisk_WP | i know what imap is, but i dont really want to read entire rfcs...but apparently i have to :X |
| 19:25.01 | wols_ | enouf: imap is a bit more than that :) |
| 19:25.02 | Gruelius | rar : v Create volumes with size autodetection or list all volumes HUZZAH |
| 19:25.11 | enouf | wols_: he asked for simple :-P |
| 19:25.17 | pickcoder | yes.. if you developing something for a protocol you _should_ read the entire RFC |
| 19:25.20 | sgharvey | enouf: it's listed in the configure script, and i first read about it on a page explaining how to get amarok to edit mp4 tags. i'm wondering if the flag isn't listed there because it's not supported... :( |
| 19:25.42 | pickcoder | if it's for testing, consider pulling out the example communication tidbits |
| 19:25.45 | sgharvey | enouf: which is weird because it compiled outside of dpkg-buildpackage |
| 19:25.49 | pickcoder | but I still recommend reading it all |
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| 19:26.18 | HardDisk_WP | pickcoder, thanks...where can i get these? |
| 19:26.19 | enouf | sgharvey: i see it as an option in ./configure, yes |
| 19:26.34 | pickcoder | www.rfc.net |
| 19:26.39 | enouf | sgharvey: but .. not sure at this point what the issue is .. sigh |
| 19:27.05 | enouf | sgharvey: one sec |
| 19:27.11 | HardDisk_WP | aah! |
| 19:27.11 | HardDisk_WP | http://rfc.net/search.php3?phrase=IMAP |
| 19:27.30 | HardDisk_WP | a)hell, they'running php3 |
| 19:27.30 | sgharvey | enouf: there may be some funny difference between "fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage" and "fakeroot debian/rules binary", because it hasn't dropped out with undefined references yet |
| 19:27.43 | HardDisk_WP | b) that are MANY rfcs, which one is the basic one? |
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| 19:28.57 | pickcoder | 3501 is IMAP4 rev1 |
| 19:29.12 | sgharvey | enouf: just got the error |
| 19:29.32 | enouf | sgharvey: have you tried locating or using DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="--with-blah" ? , but that might be mplayer specific? |
| 19:29.36 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 19:29.57 | HardDisk_WP | shit, 107 pages.lol. all this to build a simple imapd |
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| 19:30.07 | stew | enouf: that's not what DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS is for |
| 19:30.19 | pickcoder | HardDisk_WP: if you are building a IMAP daemon then you _definately_ need to read and understand every bit of it |
| 19:30.23 | pickcoder | or you could blow up clients |
| 19:30.53 | pickcoder | you also have a lot of tag-on reading if you plan on using extensions and anything else not included in 3501 |
| 19:31.03 | enouf | stew: i use it on mplayer svn source, so not sure what it's for .. just svn/cvs source only? |
| 19:31.09 | HardDisk_WP | nah, should only be a gateway to a german social network |
| 19:31.20 | HardDisk_WP | no real mail daemon |
| 19:32.03 | sgharvey | stew: what is DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS for? |
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| 19:32.25 | pickcoder | there are proxy gates available |
| 19:32.26 | HardDisk_WP | AHA, now i understand what the a003 etc is for |
| 19:32.35 | stew | enouf: commonly supported DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS are nostrip, debug, noopt, nocheck which, if supported, would tell debian/rules to change behaviour to do stuff like add debug info, don't strip debug symbols, use -o0, don't run build time tests... |
| 19:32.37 | enouf | DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="--with-blah ... .... .. " fakeroot debian/rules binary (might be mplayer specific?) |
| 19:32.38 | HardDisk_WP | pickcoder, i already searched for mine |
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| 19:32.52 | pickcoder | ok |
| 19:32.53 | HardDisk_WP | nothing available, not even a API...so i'm screenscraping the wap gateway |
| 19:32.59 | stew | enouf: maybe, typically they are not forwarded on to ./configure, but only used by debian/rules |
| 19:33.05 | HardDisk_WP | i wanna spare traffic on my mobile device ^^ |
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| 19:33.09 | enouf | stew: ok, i see - thanks |
| 19:33.28 | HardDisk_WP | using imap to control it is more traffic efficient (and costs less money) than to use mobile IE |
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| 19:33.53 | stew | enouf: but i dunno, i haven't looked at mplayer. |
| 19:34.08 | sgharvey | stew, enouf: thanks. gotta go; i'll be back later. |
| 19:34.20 | enouf | stew: i mean - i could run that .. or run the typical ./configure --prefix=/wherever --enable-blah ... ; make ; make install |
| 19:35.04 | enouf | stew: as it pertains to mplayer anyway, but the other way makes a nice .deb in the end ;-) |
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| 19:36.08 | enouf | stew: though, i recall the entire /debian dir and contents and README mentioning 2005 ish :-) |
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| 19:38.11 | phorce1 | needs to get another network card running, speaking of IMAP, to speed up my mail handling. This box is on a DSL connect but my mail server is sitting RIGHT OVER THERE on my in-house network. |
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| 19:39.03 | enouf | stew: if you care, and you can browse svn .. svn://svn.mplayerhq.hu/mplayer/trunk/README |
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| 19:40.17 | enouf | phorce1: sneakernet? :-p |
| 19:40.48 | SpComb | would anyone happen to know why my sudo on a freshly installed etch 4.0r4a is broken? Specifically, SECURE_PATH doesn't seem to be used to find the command... `sudo xm` doesn't work, `sudo /usr/sbin/xm` does work, but `sudo env` does show '/usr/sbin' as being in PATH |
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| 19:41.25 | SpComb | similar to the bugs that caused the SECURE_PATH compile-time -> run-time modifications to be reverted, from sometime in 2001.. |
| 19:42.28 | enouf | SpComb: strace it? |
| 19:42.43 | SpComb | kind of difficult because strace doesn't play nice with suid execs |
| 19:42.46 | phorce1 | enouf: lots of addresses so lots of IMAP opens. Suck having to do it over 3M/sec Internet when it's available on 1000M/sec Ethernet |
| 19:43.34 | enouf | run it in a subshell? |
| 19:43.34 | enouf | nah ,... nm |
| 19:44.05 | enouf | phorce1: 1000M/sec? .. interesting ;-) |
| 19:44.19 | stew | enouf: oh, were you thinking of DEB_BUILD_CONFIGURE instead of DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS? |
| 19:44.40 | p1ngp0ng | if i want to mount a partition as my home the line in fstab should looke something like /dev/sda6 /home/ ext3 defaults 0 2 right? |
| 19:44.59 | p1ngp0ng | where /home/=user |
| 19:45.07 | enouf | stew: sadly no, but sgharvey was reffering to +DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS |
| 19:45.14 | p1ngp0ng | or just /home=user? |
| 19:45.19 | SpComb | http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=85917 <-- the behaviour I'm seeing is suspiciously similar to this bug |
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| 19:45.33 | enouf | stew: from the README there at mplayer's svn -> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="--enable-gui --enable-menu" fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 19:45.51 | phorce1 | enouf: OK, 1024M/sec |
| 19:46.34 | enouf | phorce1: wait, Mega what? :-P if megaB, i'm impressed |
| 19:47.09 | enouf | heck, 125MB/sec is still impressive :-p |
| 19:47.51 | SpComb | enouf: well, if I run `sudo sh -c "PATH=$PATH strace sudo ifconfig"`, it works (`sudo sh -c "PATH=$PATH env"` shows that PATH should be set correctly...) |
| 19:48.36 | SpComb | but `sudo ifconfig` just says "ifconfig: command not found" |
| 19:48.40 | SpComb | it's somewhat annoying |
| 19:48.59 | phorce1 | enouf: bits of course. MiB GiB (laziness after the hurricane smacked us. My customers hate me at the moment. Had to tunf off some of amavis scanning to speed up clearing the backlog created by mail servers offline for a few days. |
| 19:49.01 | enouf | SpComb: interesting, but i'm still at the point where stuff like that makes my eyes kind of glaze over :-P |
| 19:49.09 | maligor | 10Gbit is 1250MB/sec surprisingly |
| 19:49.23 | enouf | SpComb: no PAM stuff in the way? |
| 19:49.31 | _moro_bana_ | finally installed debian. i will need to install kvpnc to have an internet connection.i had ubuntu before, can i use the pack on debian? |
| 19:49.33 | SpComb | I guess I could add the sbin's to my user's PATH, but I really can't understand why sudo behaves differently on this system than on my other etch systems |
| 19:49.40 | maligor | don't see too many 10GigE stuff tho |
| 19:49.43 | SpComb | enouf: what kind of PAM stuff could I look for? |
| 19:49.51 | SpComb | I'm not familiar enough with PAM to understand what bits might break this |
| 19:49.52 | phorce1 | s/tunf/turn |
| 19:49.59 | phorce1 | tunf? |
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| 19:50.33 | SpComb | but this is a freshly installed box, `su` and `aptitude install sudo` was amongst the first things that I did, and I certainly didn't modify PAM before that |
| 19:50.46 | enouf | SpComb: all i know is when using Shadow passwds and such /etc/pam.d/* files take precedent mainly over /etc/login.defs settings? please read comments in files as well |
| 19:51.29 | enouf | SpComb: maybe i'm barking up the wrong tree .. nm, apologies |
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| 19:52.32 | enouf | phorce1: i forgot for a moment about the G one since the I one went through - which one hit you worst? |
| 19:52.46 | enouf | s/worst/worse |
| 19:52.57 | SpComb | there's no reference to 'sbin' or 'PATH' in /etc/pam.d/ |
| 19:53.26 | enouf | SpComb: in login.defs there is, but then /etc/pam.d/login might trump that file? |
| 19:53.43 | enouf | or certain parts of it? |
| 19:54.16 | SpComb | login.defs sets ENV_SUPATH and ENV_PATH to what I see in `sudo env` and `env` |
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| 19:55.03 | phorce1 | enouf: Ike. We were on the east side (bad side). Lots of trees down. Power out only 3 days though. T-1 down 2 days. Gustav was too far west to hurt. |
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| 19:55.27 | phorce1 | enouf: errr -- Gustav was too far EAST of us to hurt |
| 19:55.28 | tomasw | hi, any one know howto setup several debian server with a "shared" disk, so i doesent matter on witch server users log on to? |
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| 19:55.57 | joltcan | tomasw: Are you thinking of only the disk our even the authentication? |
| 19:56.14 | tomasw | both... |
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| 19:56.35 | SpComb | /etc/security/pam_env.conf has a reference to PATH, but it's commented out |
| 19:56.36 | enouf | phorce1: aye.. i couldn't recall those names .. good to hear that you're ok though |
| 19:56.45 | joltcan | tomasw: If it is a closed environment then I would go for NFS for the disk and ldap for the users |
| 19:56.52 | SpComb | /etc/environment only has a single locales-related line |
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| 19:57.12 | SpComb | but somehow, I think this is some kind of weird sudo-internal behaviour |
| 19:57.16 | enouf | SpComb: as far as locales. there |
| 19:57.30 | enouf | 's /etc/default/locale but .. |
| 19:57.50 | SpComb | yes, /etc/default/locale and /etc/environment contain the same contents :) |
| 19:57.52 | enouf | that doesn't seem relevant |
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| 19:58.08 | SpComb | /etc/pam.d/login seems to load all three |
| 19:58.17 | enouf | ahh |
| 19:58.52 | tomasw | joltcan: one problem is that it has to be fast, very fast. Today we have 4 master servers with users spreed out on them, they have there /home on SAN with FC-disks |
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| 20:00.23 | tomasw | joltcan: this means that we need 4 diffenrent /home for eatch master server and this make it difficult to move users between them. |
| 20:01.04 | joltcan | tomasw: Yeah, that sounds ugly |
| 20:01.34 | enouf | ClusterLVM? |
| 20:01.46 | tomasw | i wonder if theres an easy way to just share one LUN to all servers and mount it as home |
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| 20:02.29 | tomasw | enouf: how do i handle users then? |
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| 20:03.14 | joltcan | tomasw: are there only one user logged in to a single computer? |
| 20:03.51 | enouf | tomasw: i'm not sure... |
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| 20:05.17 | dfox__ | hello |
| 20:05.30 | justin | tomasw: maybe you mean to be using NFS? |
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| 20:05.35 | dfox__ | i have an error with libc6 during a routing security upgrade (etch) |
| 20:05.43 | dfox__ | clear: relocation error: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_out_of_memory, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 20:05.57 | dfox__ | i cannot execute any command |
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| 20:06.24 | dfox__ | i booted a rescue-system and i can still mount the hd |
| 20:06.27 | dan2 | hey guys |
| 20:06.28 | dfox__ | but the system will not reboot |
| 20:06.40 | wols_ | dfox__: what version of libc6 is on the system right now? |
| 20:06.46 | dan2 | I'm printing via cups from a website, and the text on the printed page looks like crap, when printed to pdf or to the printer |
| 20:06.55 | dan2 | the text in the web browser looks fine |
| 20:07.00 | dfox__ | wols_: how do i get this information? |
| 20:07.33 | hatems | dfox__, use apt-get |
| 20:07.43 | tomasw | joltcan: its a bit complexed, the users mount´s a smb share (their home folder) on a single server. Then thay alter files on the mounted share and then executes compilecommands via ssh |
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| 20:07.55 | daniiel | does anyone know if there is a way to have tintin++ keep the last command entered in the prompt (like zMud & gnome-mud can for example) ? |
| 20:08.11 | wols_ | dfox__: one way is ls /lib/libc* |
| 20:08.12 | joltcan | tomasw: Well, then save the path to their home and use automount when they login? |
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| 20:08.37 | dfox__ | libc.so.6 -> libc-2.5.so |
| 20:09.20 | dfox__ | but there's also 2.3.6 and 2.4 |
| 20:09.21 | SpComb | IPv6 autoconf is also broken with etch, xen and network-bridged... xenbr0 has a MAC address of fe:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, and it configures itself with an IPv6 autoconf address that's invalid, causing IPv6 to completely die |
| 20:09.21 | tomasw | joltcan: dont understand |
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| 20:10.11 | SpComb | I need to flush xenbr0 addresses/routes before my (proper) eth1 autoconf works again |
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| 20:12.04 | joltcan | tomasw: automount is a mount command that can be run at some point. LDAP stores the account information and PAM can auth to the LDAP server. When the user logs in to the computer then PAM or automount can mount the drive that is specified in the user's LDAP entry |
| 20:12.20 | joltcan | it scales very well, but it is a bitch to configure if you don't know LDAP |
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| 20:15.29 | dfox__ | wols_: shouldn't it point to libc-2.3.6.so? |
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| 20:16.00 | SpComb | ah well, I just modified my PATH to include all the sbins (... /etc/environment, /etc/login.defs, /etc/profile) |
| 20:16.15 | SpComb | can't be arsed trying to debug sudo's internals |
| 20:16.22 | PeroHenry | help me, my postfix dont connect with sasl |
| 20:16.37 | tomasw | joltcan: ok sound like a plan, use LDAP for auth and cluster LVM for /home , mabye this will work. |
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| 20:16.51 | joltcan | tomasw: Good luck |
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| 20:18.32 | LemensTS | what do you guys prefer for RT tickets? i tried osTicket and there is alot of important features missing from it. Ive used practical solutions rt, it is nice but its a last resort because of configuration |
| 20:19.04 | dondelelcaro | I prefer the bts, but I'm heavily biased |
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| 20:19.56 | themill | heh |
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| 20:21.04 | LemensTS | is that wrote for debian or is it derived from another tracking system |
| 20:21.59 | themill | judd: info debbugs |
| 20:22.35 | themill | dpkg: info debbugs |
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| 20:22.53 | dpkg | debbugs: (The bug tracking system based on the active Debian BTS), section misc, is optional. Version: 2.4.1 (sid), Packaged size: 83 kB, Installed size: 488 kB |
| 20:22.54 | HardDisk_WP | oh hell, IMAP is c.o.m.p.l.e.x |
| 20:23.14 | keith4 | the protocol? or a specific implementation of it? |
| 20:23.46 | joltcan | LemensTS: RT is the complete win (the one from practical), so maybe you should just bite the bullet |
| 20:24.27 | LemensTS | joltcan: yea i think your right, it will be worth it |
| 20:25.43 | joltcan | LemensTS: We tried a few ones at my employer, but then we stick to RT because of the flexibility. But we have a dedicated VM for it just because of all the perl deps |
| 20:25.43 | LemensTS | Im getting an IT job at a school district, i figured there was an mirc forum or something for other education ITs to collaborate, anyone know of any |
| 20:26.06 | keith4 | mirc? |
| 20:26.10 | keith4 | seriously? |
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| 20:26.54 | joltcan | mirc forum, thats really a good one |
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| 20:28.02 | LemensTS | whoops i mean irc |
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| 20:28.36 | joltcan | :) |
| 20:29.02 | dfox__ | seems that a lot of my libraries are pointing to versions "2.5" |
| 20:29.09 | dfox__ | can i do anything to downgrade? |
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| 20:29.34 | keith4 | LemensTS: there are some typos on your website |
| 20:29.51 | HardDisk_WP | keith4, the RFC |
| 20:29.59 | keith4 | HardDisk_WP: yes. yes it is |
| 20:30.22 | HardDisk_WP | keith4, i try to code some kind of gateway social network=>imap |
| 20:30.33 | keith4 | shudders |
| 20:30.34 | HardDisk_WP | because even their wap site is 2KB each request -.- |
| 20:30.51 | HardDisk_WP | and here in germany, you have to *PAY* for every shitty piece of data^^ |
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| 20:31.00 | keith4 | HardDisk_WP: yuck |
| 20:31.08 | HardDisk_WP | so i want to create a ultra-small php imap daemon |
| 20:31.09 | LemensTS | keith4: lol are you googling me |
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| 20:31.26 | thiagomz | Hi folks ! |
| 20:31.38 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 20:31.41 | keith4 | LemensTS: it's dangerous to use your full name in IRC, especially with your phone number on your website |
| 20:31.44 | HardDisk_WP | how can we help you? |
| 20:31.57 | HardDisk_WP | keith4, i also do this..you should be able to google me |
| 20:32.05 | keith4 | LemensTS: please fix all occurrences of "thier" on node 4 |
| 20:32.11 | keith4 | it's really irritating me ;-) |
| 20:32.14 | thirst | hi guys.. i am trying to get my atheros ar928x wifi to work on my system.. anybody got that working ? |
| 20:32.23 | Firefishe | How can I set up synaptic to enable the selection of repositories via a menu? |
| 20:32.25 | HardDisk_WP | thirst, tried NDISwrapper? |
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| 20:32.35 | keith4 | !atheros |
| 20:32.35 | dpkg | Atheros Communications is a developer of semiconductors. Ask me about <madwifi> for stable wireless chipset drivers, <ath5k> or <ath9k> for wireless drivers under development. Ask me about <atl1> or <atl2> for Ethernet adapter drivers. |
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| 20:33.03 | keith4 | Firefishe: use ubuntu? :-P |
| 20:33.14 | LemensTS | keith4: everyone has gotten on to me for my usage of thier, im always mis-spelling it..i hate that word... |
| 20:33.15 | Firefishe | oh my word, bad one keith |
| 20:33.17 | Firefishe | ;) |
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| 20:34.40 | Firefishe | keith4: debian has other repositories other than it's u.s. couterpart, and I find the swedish servers faster in the daytime than the u.s. archive. Again, is there documentation to set synaptic up this way? |
| 20:35.13 | keith4 | Firefishe: I'm not sure. I don't think most people change their repos that often. You could probably just have two different sources.list files, and swap them |
| 20:35.35 | karsten | will have what keith4 is drinking. |
| 20:35.44 | karsten | Firefishe: ... possibly on a cronjob or something like that. |
| 20:35.54 | thirst | HardDisk_WP, nope.. tried ndiswrapper.. but doesnt help.. i get the same issues as stated here.. http://www.linux.com/forums/topic/2572 .. the latest kernel(2.6.27-rc6) detects the card though as it contains ath9k, but the radio is too weak.. |
| 20:35.58 | themill | how often do you update? |
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| 20:36.03 | karsten | Firefishe: are you hitting repos frequently enough that it really matters? |
| 20:36.11 | Firefishe | karsten: yes, I am |
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| 20:36.28 | Firefishe | karsten: and I don't really have time to keep changing sources.list. |
| 20:36.33 | karsten | Firefishe: Have you considered running an apt-proxy server? How many hosts are you doing? |
| 20:36.45 | karsten | Firefishe: crontab can manage that last for you. |
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| 20:38.34 | Firefishe | karsten: I'm not sure I know what you mean by crontab, although I've heard of the application. I'm just wanting to switch repositories in synaptic via a menu to select a different repo when one is going too slow for me, that's all. |
| 20:38.51 | Firefishe | I mean, updating doesn't take long, anyway |
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| 20:39.24 | karsten | Firefishe: man cron; man 5 crontab |
| 20:39.53 | Firefishe | yes, cron is a tool for setting up certain things to be done at certain times. |
| 20:40.08 | karsten | Firefishe: cron is a scheduler which is installed by default in Debian, and can perform selected actions at specified times. Such as switching between, say, /etc/apt.sources.day and /etc/apt/sources.night. |
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| 20:40.39 | karsten | Firefishe: Sounds to me that you 1) don't have a lot of experience and 2) are trying to make things difficult for yourself. But that's just me. |
| 20:40.42 | Firefishe | oh, I don't need that, I need what I suggested earlier....and cron and crontab are in no way related to synaptic's menu system. |
| 20:40.58 | karsten | Firefishe: apt sources are. |
| 20:41.32 | Firefishe | karsten: okay...I'll look more in to it. |
| 20:41.40 | thiagomz | Guys... |
| 20:41.43 | themill | doesn't synaptic have a set of tick boxes for you to enable and disable repos? |
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| 20:42.04 | themill | hasn't used synaptic since sarge |
| 20:42.09 | thiagomz | anyone has a xen dom0 runing a debian Sarge as domU ? |
| 20:42.12 | jelly-home | le fishe is gonne |
| 20:42.22 | themill | yeah... :( |
| 20:43.15 | karsten | themill: Yeah, I don't even have it installed. aptitude, all the way... |
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| 20:50.25 | greybox | How do i fix dual monitor in Debian lenny (using gnome) so that it shows different desktop on each screen and not just a clone. |
| 20:51.57 | karsten | greybox: xrandr |
| 20:52.35 | karsten | greybox: You want what used to be provided by xinerama, right? |
| 20:52.56 | keith4 | greybox: also TwinView or whatever-Ati-calls-it, if you have fancy hardware |
| 20:53.09 | greybox | greybox, i got Nvidia Quadro FX card |
| 20:53.11 | datacrusher | iv just inserted a pendrive here on my debian box, and i cant write in it |
| 20:53.12 | keith4 | or, by "desktop" do you mean "background image"? |
| 20:53.21 | karsten | greybox: Run 'xrandr' which should identify your available screens. Usually VGA-0, DVI-0, and/or LVDS (onboard laptop screen). |
| 20:53.28 | datacrusher | im on gnome, and the window is opened with the files |
| 20:53.50 | greybox | karsten, how do i change the setting? i see VGA1 and VGA2 from xrandr |
| 20:54.04 | karsten | greybox: pastebin please. |
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| 20:54.32 | karsten | greybox: Something like: xrandr --output VGA-2 --auto; xrandr output VGA-2 --left-of VGA-1 |
| 20:54.36 | wols_ | datacrusher: run "mount" to see how it's mounted. fat32? |
| 20:54.37 | maligor | greybox, nvidia-settings has a gui for that |
| 20:54.53 | keith4 | greybox: if you're using the nvidia driver, google twinview |
| 20:55.03 | greybox | karsten, http://pastebin.ca/1206124 |
| 20:55.29 | karsten | greybox: Dunno if there's an automated way to do that. I had a laptop I'd add/remove a second display to, and just ran the commands from shell history. As $USER, not $ROOT. |
| 20:55.48 | karsten | greybox: Your displays are DVI0 & DVI1 |
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| 20:56.27 | greybox | karsten, xrandr --output DVI1 --auto: xrandr output DVI1 --left-of DVI0 |
| 20:56.29 | greybox | right? |
| 20:56.36 | karsten | greybox: Try xrandr --output DVI1 --auto; xrandr output DVI1 --left-of DVI0 |
| 20:56.37 | karsten | Yeah. |
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| 20:56.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.55 | karsten | greybox: Or at least close, depends on how they're physically positioned. |
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| 20:57.08 | karsten | greybox: ';' as bash statement delimiter. |
| 20:57.20 | greybox | xrandr --output DVI1 --auto; xrandr output DVI1 --left-of DVI0 shows the --help list |
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| 20:57.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | you have DVI1 twice now |
| 20:57.44 | karsten | greybox: apparently that's not it then ;-) |
| 20:58.03 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I think that's right. You want to activate both displays. |
| 20:58.24 | karsten | greybox: I did this with fglrx, not nvidia, so twinview may also be an option. |
| 20:58.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | and then do a --left-of one DVI0 which you didn't have 1st |
| 20:58.26 | greybox | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.26 | greybox | xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1680x1680 (desired size 3360x1050) |
| 20:58.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | and output must be --output for the 2nd command |
| 20:59.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | while you have just "output", missing the -- |
| 20:59.14 | greybox | xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1680x1680 (desired size 3360x1050) |
| 20:59.56 | karsten | greybox: See http://pastebin.ca/1206129 for my xorg.conf |
| 21:00.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | greybox, "-s <width>x<height" as re man xrandr? |
| 21:00.42 | karsten | greybox: There's a virtual size setting, you can also specify display sizes. The stuff is _mostly_ pretty straightforward now. |
| 21:01.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... -x Reflect across the X axis. |
| 21:01.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you can have the normal screen on one monitor and a mirror image of it on the 2nd monitor? |
| 21:01.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny |
| 21:02.00 | greybox | karsten, http://pastebin.ca/1206130 is my xorg.conf that doesnt work |
| 21:02.29 | dfox__ | wols_: apt tells me i have libc5 Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 installed |
| 21:02.30 | greybox | CutMeOwnThroat, xrandr --output DVI1 --left-of DVI0 -s 1680x1680 |
| 21:02.30 | greybox | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.42 | dfox__ | how can it be that most of my libs link to a 2.5 version? |
| 21:03.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | dfox__, iirc libc5 == 2.5 |
| 21:03.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's one of those weird-naming things |
| 21:03.44 | dfox__ | CutMeOwnThroat: then something like this shouldn't happen: libc.so.6 -> libc-2.5.so |
| 21:03.48 | dfox__ | thats the symlink |
| 21:03.59 | greybox | CutMeOwnThroat, why does xrandr still complain over that |
| 21:04.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, or was that only solaris who created such strange naming conventions |
| 21:04.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | greybox, seems to complain about some different size(?) |
| 21:04.50 | dfox__ | is there a way to convert all the symlinks back to the 2.3.6 versions? |
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| 21:04.59 | dfox__ | other than by hand |
| 21:05.06 | dustybin | anybody know what module i need to install so lmsensors can read my temps, the install script doesnt install the correct modules |
| 21:05.21 | fbc | when doing an nslookup how do I 'set type=all' ?? |
| 21:05.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | dfox__, I think I must have confused that - I have libc.so.6 -> libc-2.7.so - so obviously the naming conventions are even less straight-forward :)\ |
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| 21:05.49 | dfox__ | CutMeOwnThroat: ok :) |
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| 21:06.14 | MariachiAC | hello, is htere a gtk front end for mplayer in debian? |
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| 21:08.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | MariachiAC, uh, is there a gtk frontend to mplayer at all? |
| 21:08.58 | sgharvey | enouf: so for me there wasn't a difference between "fakeroot debian/rules binary" and "dpkg-buildpackage -b" in terms of receiving the "./.libs/libamarok.so: undefined reference to `MP4<tag related stuff>' " |
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| 21:09.06 | mbroeker | CutMeOwnThroat, gmplayer |
| 21:09.09 | sgharvey | enouf: the error, i mean |
| 21:09.30 | dondelelcaro | shreddi: there generally won't be; they both call the same things internally |
| 21:09.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | MariachiAC, anyways - look yourself with apt-cache search mplayer ; might not be in the normal repository, /mst dpkg debian-multimedia for the marillat repository |
| 21:10.05 | MariachiAC | ok. |
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| 21:16.46 | CareBear\ | Hello! Is daemontools (By djb) available in an apt source somewhere? |
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| 21:17.24 | CareBear\ | Never mind! Just found daemontools-installer |
| 21:17.27 | CareBear\ | Thanks anyway. :) |
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| 21:18.55 | phorce1 | I hate orphan products. Logitech "rbs111" wireless mouse and suddenly I can't get the wheel to work in Xorg. And the model number doesn't even show up on Logitech's site. |
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| 21:19.18 | karlpinc | phorce1 : USB? Try lsusb. |
| 21:20.12 | phorce1 | karlpinc: PS2 because it's going through a KVM |
| 21:21.11 | karlpinc | phorce1 : It wouldn't hurt to replace the batteries, just in case. Otherwise Idunno. |
| 21:22.02 | phorce1 | karlpinc: wheel still works on the Winblows box attached to the same KVM |
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| 21:23.40 | karlpinc | phorce1 : You changed something? If so what? Other than that I'd "dpkg-reconfigure server-xorg". Past that, I'm lost. |
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| 21:24.42 | thirst | HardDisk_WP, keith4 .. i got my wireless driver installed.. any links on what tools to use to connect to a network.. |
| 21:24.56 | HardDisk_WP | networkmanager |
| 21:25.01 | HardDisk_WP | you have kde or gnome? |
| 21:25.05 | thirst | gnome |
| 21:25.12 | HardDisk_WP | add your user to the netdev group |
| 21:25.21 | HardDisk_WP | then install network-manager-gnome |
| 21:25.24 | HardDisk_WP | should be an applet |
| 21:25.29 | HardDisk_WP | which handles everythign |
| 21:25.46 | phorce1 | karlpinc: running lenny so "stuff" happens sometimes. No changes other than updates and pulling a bad NIC out of the machine. mouse section in xorg.conf is exactly as it was when working a few days ago. I'll live with it for now. |
| 21:26.05 | thirst | HardDisk_WP, thanks for that.. let me try.. |
| 21:27.56 | phorce1 | karlpinc: nautilus file browser just stopped working too. I think I have some "leftovers" issues from going in/out of X. Time to look for stuff to kill in 'ps ax' and probably a reboot to add the drive I forgot to plug power into |
| 21:29.23 | Kovensky | is there a way for me to keep multiple versions of nvidia's drivers installed? |
| 21:29.40 | Kovensky | I want to boot a usb key on a computer with a NV18 and other with a G80 |
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| 21:30.55 | phorce1 | ouch. nautilus with --screen 0 showing up about 4 times in 'ps ax'. THAT can't be good. ;-) |
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| 21:38.47 | drzed | hi there |
| 21:39.15 | drzed | i've exportet a directory unsing no_root_squash |
| 21:39.34 | drzed | now if i try to enter it on my client |
| 21:39.42 | drzed | i get a permission denied |
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| 21:42.04 | drzed | permission is 0770 |
| 21:42.23 | drzed | any ideas? |
| 21:42.47 | Zambezi | Virtualbox OSE doesn't have USB-support? Will it have or should I go for Virtualbox with closed source? I need Windows when some application don't work in Debian. |
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| 21:43.42 | hjb | Zambezi why don't you just use qemu?? |
| 21:43.52 | hjb | Zambezi it has usb support |
| 21:44.45 | hjb | Zambezi btw Windooze apps can also be ran using wine |
| 21:44.50 | JordiGH | I'm not on Debian right now to test it, but is /usr/local/include in gcc's include path? |
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| 21:45.54 | Nuno__ | Plesk 8.6 with PHP5 how? |
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| 21:46.10 | hjb | JordiGH use -I |
| 21:46.12 | Zambezi | hjb: Never heard of it, but I give it shoot. || And it's not that simple unfortunatelly so Wine won't do it I'm afraid. |
| 21:46.18 | JordiGH | hjb: So it's not? |
| 21:46.37 | hjb | JordiGH not sure never tested |
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| 21:46.57 | hjb | JordiGH but regarding your question i guess so |
| 21:47.32 | drzed | btw i try to enter tht dir in question as user root |
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| 21:48.12 | malgar | hello, when will be released the next stable? |
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| 21:48.26 | hjb | malgar WIR |
| 21:48.27 | docmur | how do you add a service to boot on a server setup |
| 21:48.34 | malgar | i read about september.. is this valid? |
| 21:48.50 | pickcoder | malgar: check the bug site for RC bugs |
| 21:49.02 | pickcoder | when they're gone or marked "ignore" then it should be ready |
| 21:49.08 | hjb | !dpkg WIR |
| 21:49.08 | dpkg | i guess wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 21:49.12 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps what package contains the dvd encryption stuff? |
| 21:49.19 | bbelt16ag | is there a special repo I need? |
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| 21:49.25 | bbelt16ag | I am trying to encode with mencoder |
| 21:49.30 | bbelt16ag | and its not working now |
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| 21:49.39 | Tramp | !tell bbelt16ag about dvd |
| 21:50.04 | malgar | well, is there an estimated time to be ready? |
| 21:50.30 | Tramp | !tell docmur about startup |
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| 21:51.00 | Tramp | bbelt16ag: huh - /en/code encrypted?? |
| 21:52.04 | bbelt16ag | ? |
| 21:52.06 | bbelt16ag | I guess |
| 21:52.08 | Tramp | bbelt16ag: encoding with mencoder has nothing to do with dvd encryption |
| 21:52.17 | bbelt16ag | ok I will show you the error |
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| 21:53.01 | Tramp | bbelt16ag: only if you're reading directly from an encrypted dvd, and then the info from dpkg applies |
| 21:53.20 | bbelt16ag | right I am |
| 21:53.28 | bbelt16ag | trying to rip from it to hardreive |
| 21:53.30 | bbelt16ag | drive |
| 21:53.33 | docmur | tried ln -sf /sbin/dhclient /etc/init.d/ then update-rc.d dhclient default, but it says it's not a file ? |
| 21:53.38 | Tramp | bbelt16ag: yes. then see, what I sent you through dpkg |
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| 21:54.47 | Tramp | bbelt16ag: and /msg the bot concerning the other stuff there, in particular libdvdcss |
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| 21:54.52 | JohnnyL | what is the way to turn off un-needed stuff (daemon servers, etc) on a debian box? |
| 21:55.08 | stew | JohnnyL: aptitude remove whatever |
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| 21:55.41 | Tramp | docmur: read, what I sent you through dpkg. There is stuff about a skeleton and such |
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| 21:56.06 | stew | docmur: if you want to run dhclient at boot, then mark an interface as auto and dhcp, "man interfaces" or /msg dpkg man interfaces |
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| 21:57.00 | bbelt16ag | I did thanks that's was it |
| 21:57.08 | JohnnyL | stew how to get a list and know which ones i can turn off (like a know to turn off apache)? |
| 21:57.10 | bbelt16ag | thankyou |
| 21:57.13 | JohnnyL | stevedondley_ thanks btw. |
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| 21:57.19 | Tramp | yw |
| 21:59.29 | extor | Is anyone here fat, but can't quite figure out why? I think I found an radical new explanation... Anyone? |
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| 22:01.01 | stew | extor: wrong channel, try #defocus |
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| 22:01.08 | extor | kay |
| 22:01.18 | stew | JohnnyL: perhaps /msg dpkg open ports |
| 22:01.34 | stew | JohnnyL: are you saying you definately want to remove apache? |
| 22:01.51 | simonrvn | fat32, fat16? |
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| 22:04.47 | docmur | so from what I understand I only have to add /etc/network/interfaces auto eth0 and then iface eth0 dhcp |
| 22:05.59 | Somni | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 22:07.51 | docmur | what does inet standfor |
| 22:09.12 | stew | docmur: internet? it doesn't matter its the only thing valid there |
| 22:10.00 | docmur | sweet |
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| 22:11.52 | JohnnyL | stew, yeah, and anything else taking extra ram. (I only have 128 megs). |
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| 22:12.59 | stew | JohnnyL: you can use "top" and hit "M" to sort by memory usage to see what is using memory |
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| 22:15.09 | pickcoder | top lies! |
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| 22:16.12 | JohnnyL | stew, ok. i guess i'll use google to figure out what they are. is there a way to track a top entry with a installed application? |
| 22:16.20 | JohnnyL | or package rather? |
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| 22:17.30 | wols_ | JohnnyL: from the PID you can check /proc/PID and see where the application is on your filesystem. then it's just a simple dpkg -S |
| 22:19.46 | cedric_b | n'evening, i'am wondering if someone is already working to port ovirt for debian based systems ? |
| 22:20.46 | grendal_prime | ok i need to add my own packages to my mirrored debian repository. is it best to add them to the main repo and reindex it, or add a compleaty new repository ? |
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| 22:22.40 | JohnnyL | wol_ much appreciated. |
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| 22:27.27 | ki11bi11 | can you run sqlite and MySQL on the same server with out to much conflict? |
| 22:28.50 | unop | ki11bi11, sure |
| 22:29.15 | vlt | Hello. 1) What is the difference between `apt-get install <pkg>` and `aptitude install <pkg>` and 2) Why do I need 39 MB space for just installing ntp? |
| 22:29.33 | unop | ki11bi11, you can potentially run any number of database systems at the same time without much conflict |
| 22:29.43 | ki11bi11 | unop: they don't use the same ports? |
| 22:29.55 | unop | ki11bi11, no |
| 22:30.19 | ki11bi11 | unop: thx |
| 22:30.20 | extor | I switched from mpm-prefork to mpm-worker while serving mostly mod_perl pages and it seems my memory is a bit overused now. What did I do wrong? http://i33.tinypic.com/10ngh0y.png |
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| 22:31.51 | Eulex | extor, sort by memory usage (<<) then look at what top says. |
| 22:31.53 | unop | vlt, aptitude there does pretty much the same as apt-get - 39MB might be needed to have all the libraries/dependencies installed necessary to support NTP |
| 22:31.57 | jelly-home | extor: apache uses 140MB out of your 2GB total, you think that's too much? |
| 22:32.03 | trumpen | ki11bi11, sqlite is serverless, so it doesn't have a listening port: http://www.sqlite.org/serverless.html |
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| 22:32.17 | extor | jelly, do you see my swap file usage? |
| 22:32.30 | extor | Eulex, two left arrows will do that? |
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| 22:32.39 | ki11bi11 | trumpen: thx mucho |
| 22:32.53 | Eulex | extor, or three or four. they're less-than-signs, though. |
| 22:33.02 | trumpen | ki11bi11, yw ;) |
| 22:33.14 | jelly-home | extor: or just press capital M |
| 22:33.41 | extor | http://i37.tinypic.com/2z3ovx0.png <--- Done |
| 22:33.48 | wireddd | eventually I managed to get sid installed via debootstrap from a stock knoppix live cd |
| 22:33.51 | unop | vlt, if you are not intending to run a ntp server - you could get away with installing just the client. i.e. ntpdate |
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| 22:34.23 | wireddd | I didn't learn as much as I would have hoped though |
| 22:34.31 | wireddd | honestly I wish it had been harder |
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| 22:35.32 | subsume | how can I uninstall my un-package-managed version of python2.5? |
| 22:36.03 | extor | I am running off a knoppix cd install right now and my apt links are a mix of sid, etch and lenny |
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| 22:36.14 | extor | I think it's time for a reformat |
| 22:36.17 | avu | subsume, if the project doesn't come with a make uninstall target (most projects don't), you have to find and remove the files manually |
| 22:36.21 | jelly-home | extor: eww. |
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| 22:36.40 | extor | jelly-home, that is just how knoppix installs itself---I had no idea |
| 22:36.40 | subsume | avu: ok |
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| 22:36.47 | jelly-home | extor: inquire in #knoppix, then |
| 22:36.50 | extor | its pretty but the compiz-fusion doesn't work |
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| 22:37.09 | extor | I'm not inquiring just adding to what wiredd said |
| 22:38.05 | subsume | if I want to use python2.5 in my shell, do I just replace the symlink in /usr/bin? |
| 22:38.13 | subsume | the symlink of 'python' that is |
| 22:38.38 | Somni | subsume: alias it, or change your shebang line; changing the system's python will probably break things |
| 22:38.50 | jelly-home | subsume: debian doesn't support that |
| 22:39.05 | stew | subsume: if you want to you use python2.5, type "python2.5" |
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| 22:39.21 | subsume | stew: but python seems simply to alias to python2.4 which I do not desire. |
| 22:39.40 | subsume | not alias. symlink. sorry. |
| 22:40.17 | stew | subsume: yes. and if you change the sylink, you'll break all the debian python package which are assuming that #!/usr/bin/python is python2.4 |
| 22:40.17 | jelly-home | subsume: debian doesn't support changing /usr/bin/python; things might break. use python2.5 explicitely |
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| 22:40.45 | subsume | ok. |
| 22:42.08 | stew | subsume: if typing "python2.5" really pains you, you could perhaps add ~/bin to your path and symlink /usr/bin/python2.5 to ~/bin/python with less chance of screwing thins up? |
| 22:42.23 | subsume | stew: yes. I suppose that suffices. |
| 22:42.43 | subsume | stew: I suppose I'm just bothered that 2.4 is on there at all. |
| 22:42.53 | subsume | Also, I have two version of 2.5 |
| 22:43.08 | subsume | I guess I should just rm -rf the-nonpackaged-version ? |
| 22:43.17 | subsume | hmm. sounds messy. |
| 22:44.36 | vlt | unop: apt-get only wants to install 27 MB, aptitude wants 39 MB. I need to install an NTP server. But 39 MB?!? |
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| 22:45.22 | NeoIce | anyone know when XFCE 4.6 will make it into Sid? |
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| 22:46.28 | stew | NeoIce: probably not before lenny releases so that there is a good upgrade path to lenny in case a new version needs to go into lenny |
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| 22:48.33 | tetraedr | hi |
| 22:49.38 | tetraedr | I've still got problem with ssh-vulnkey and ssh refusing to send my old keys (I've generated new ones, but several servers are unreachable for me and I can't contact admin :( ) so I need to make ssh to send my old key there. how do I do this? |
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| 22:50.58 | stew | !slushy is when a 'testing' release becomes frozen, unstable tends to partially freeze as well. this is becuase developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates to fix release critical bugs which are keeping testing from becomming stable. |
| 22:50.58 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 22:50.59 | ABC | hi all |
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| 22:51.27 | ABC | i want to give debian a try. but there are so many cds! which ones are necessary? |
| 22:51.36 | dondelelcaro | ABC: you only need the netinst cd. |
| 22:51.53 | dondelelcaro | (but you can use as many as you want; they're ordered by content popularity) |
| 22:51.57 | cedric_b | ABC try the netinst |
| 22:52.02 | ABC | ok |
| 22:52.10 | cedric_b | except if your are new to unix world |
| 22:52.12 | ABC | debian doesnt seem to have a live cd |
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| 22:52.29 | stew | ABC: live.debian.net |
| 22:52.36 | ABC | oh |
| 22:52.41 | ABC | thanks |
| 22:52.46 | alphamale1 | How do i delete files in /etc |
| 22:52.50 | stew | ABC: but to install you only need a ~150 'netinst' cd |
| 22:53.03 | ABC | oh |
| 22:53.05 | cedric_b | alphamale1: you need to use su |
| 22:53.15 | stew | alphamale1: can you be more specific about what you are trying to do? |
| 22:53.17 | ABC | but its an installation cd right |
| 22:53.24 | alphamale1 | but wont deleting files in etc be bad? |
| 22:53.25 | stew | ABC: the netinst is, yes |
| 22:53.46 | stew | alphamale1: yes, it can be bad, you should only do it if you know for sure what you are doing. |
| 22:53.52 | stew | alphamale1: why do you ask? |
| 22:53.55 | cedric_b | alphamale1: it is bad since they are conf files |
| 22:54.14 | cedric_b | alphamale1: if you remove the dependig pakage the it does not matter |
| 22:54.17 | ABC | stew: ok. so it basically shoots you into a installer. well i think i am going to try from the livecd and install from there |
| 22:54.19 | alphamale1 | i need to toataly purge apache2, i did the --purge remove command it completed but there are still files and folders in it. i hade webmin installed and i want the heirarchy gone. i purged webmin also |
| 22:54.45 | stew | ABC: afaik you cannot install the current stable version of debian from the live cd, only the testing version |
| 22:54.52 | ABC | i hope debian would run nice on my 256MB ram laptop |
| 22:54.53 | cedric_b | alphamale1: webmin is crap remove files by hand |
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| 22:55.01 | ABC | stew: hmm |
| 22:55.09 | stew | alphamale1: most of the config files are owned by the apache2.2-common package, not the apache2 package |
| 22:55.21 | alphamale1 | ohh |
| 22:55.32 | alphamale1 | so purge the apache2.2-common |
| 22:55.41 | alphamale1 | cant type today |
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| 22:56.18 | stew | alphamale1: for webmin you might "dpkg -l \*webmin\*" and see if any webmin package are lised as "rc" instead of "pn" at the beginning of the line (c in rc meaning 'config files remain') |
| 22:56.20 | alphamale1 | purging |
| 22:56.50 | alphamale1 | wow its even removing phpmyadmin |
| 22:56.59 | cedric_b | ok is someone interested if i try to port http://ovirt.org to debian , |
| 22:57.02 | cedric_b | ? |
| 22:57.25 | Kovensky | !slushy |
| 22:57.25 | dpkg | slushy is probably when a 'testing' release becomes frozen, unstable tends to partially freeze as well. this is becuase developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates to fix release critical bugs which are keeping testing from becomming stable. |
| 22:58.42 | daniiel | ssh is the way to manage =P |
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| 23:00.09 | alphamale1 | Yay. I got my apache2 folder back in order. Good by webmin and syscp |
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| 23:03.10 | alphamale1 | ok now my next problem. Proftpd. Just tryed to login. it connected and then proftpd closed the connection |
| 23:03.39 | Kovensky | never got proftpd working, just uses vsftps |
| 23:03.47 | Kovensky | seds s/ftps/ftpd/ |
| 23:03.56 | alphamale1 | i couldent figgure out vsftpd at all |
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| 23:05.28 | rjent | alphamale1: what does log file say |
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| 23:06.02 | grendal_prime | how do i ssh to a differnt port(a port other than 22)? |
| 23:06.08 | octox2 | whats better, kde4 effects, or compiz, any opinions ? |
| 23:06.10 | tarzeau | grendal_prime: -P 222 |
| 23:06.12 | puff | Hm, a friend just asked me where he configures his primary and secondary DNS. He's not running bind. |
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| 23:06.26 | Kovensky | puff: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:06.26 | tarzeau | grendal_prime: sorry -p |
| 23:06.32 | grendal_prime | nevermind |
| 23:06.37 | Kovensky | puff: put a line with 'nameserver <ip address>' |
| 23:06.45 | puff | Kovensky: thanks. |
| 23:06.47 | grendal_prime | sorry i knew that..i just brain farted massively |
| 23:06.53 | Kovensky | puff: the dns order is in the order of the 'nameserver' lines |
| 23:07.13 | alphamale1 | wow i miss alot when i step out for 30 seconds |
| 23:07.20 | alphamale1 | rjent, where are log |
| 23:07.24 | puff | Cool. |
| 23:07.56 | rjent | alphamale1: should be somewhere like /var/log/proftpd |
| 23:08.08 | rjent | it has been a few years since I used it. |
| 23:08.47 | alphamale1 | found them |
| 23:08.49 | alphamale1 | Sep 19 08:02:13 debian proftpd[7757] debian (::ffff:192.168.0.100[::ffff:192.168.0.100]): FTP session closed. |
| 23:08.49 | alphamale1 | Sep 19 13:02:22 debian proftpd[9748] debian (::ffff:192.168.0.100[::ffff:192.168.0.100]): FTP session closed. |
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| 23:11.02 | alphamale1 | thats it |
| 23:11.23 | octox2 | what is the best clock server to sync with ? |
| 23:11.51 | zinx | octox2: all of them. |
| 23:13.07 | unop | octox2, pool.ntp.org |
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| 23:13.39 | octox2 | i think im going to enable ntp because my clock on here is alway off lol |
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| 23:18.06 | cedric_b | alphamale1: are you trying to ftp through nat ? |
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| 23:19.13 | cedric_b | alphamale1: i your are try to ftp through nat , then google around ftp + nat + passive mode |
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| 23:21.52 | xevz | Hi guys. I tried to upgrade my Debian Etch installation, but it failed on the util-linux package with the error message found here: http://5e45cb823e787833.paste.se/ |
| 23:22.01 | xevz | (yes, it's been a while since last upgrade, perhaps that's the problem?) |
| 23:22.08 | xevz | ... or one of them. |
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| 23:27.48 | saimonn | vlt: about the difference between apt-get and aptitude http://pthree.org/2007/08/12/aptitude-vs-apt-get/ |
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| 23:28.02 | Flinx | HI all |
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| 23:29.23 | FoxM | Hi! How can I know if my wireless card is damaged or if it is wrongly setup? |
| 23:29.23 | Flinx | Does anyone have a recommendation for a CD/DVD Burner? -- Running EtchNHalf |
| 23:29.37 | zinx | a recommendation? |
| 23:29.43 | zinx | are you purchasing one? |
| 23:29.50 | FoxM | no |
| 23:30.16 | zinx | what kind of recommendation do you want? |
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| 23:30.19 | FoxM | zinx: my lapto has one already.... but it stopped working both in windows and in linux |
| 23:30.21 | Flinx | I shouldve specified Software |
| 23:30.38 | daniiel | FoxM then it sounds toasted |
| 23:30.44 | Flinx | Nautilus doesnt seem to have RW erase capability |
| 23:31.04 | Flinx | Ideally something like IMGBurn |
| 23:31.15 | daniiel | FoxM you could open up your laptop and make sure it hasn't come loose or anything.. |
| 23:31.16 | zinx | Flinx: i use the commandline tools myself, cdrdao and dvd+rw-tools |
| 23:31.20 | FoxM | daniiel: That's what I thought.... any Idea what can be done in cases like this? is it possible to buy a replacement? |
| 23:31.34 | Flinx | Zinx -- ah |
| 23:31.44 | FoxM | daniiel: I already did that... connections are ok, the card, from the outside, looks perfect |
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| 23:32.36 | zinx | Flinx: there's a few GUI frontends i'm sure, but i don't know what they are off hand :x |
| 23:32.56 | Flinx | zinx, no worries :D I'll find something in google eventually... |
| 23:33.04 | FoxM | daniiel: In windows, not even the driver recognizes it :( and in the hardware manager list, a device appears as "Unknown" |
| 23:33.16 | Flinx | speaking of which... has anyone had experience with Automatix2? It looks pretty powerful. |
| 23:33.26 | Flinx | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatix_(software) -- link |
| 23:33.40 | saimonn | FoxM: if it's a card then can you try it on another computer ? |
| 23:33.41 | zinx | Flinx: i'd recommend aptitude (or apt-cache) search before google |
| 23:33.54 | zinx | Flinx: automatix is a GREAT way to destroy your system. |
| 23:34.07 | zinx | Flinx: it does not properly package things for Debian |
| 23:34.20 | amphi | !automatix |
| 23:34.20 | dpkg | well, automatix is a tool which allows a menu-driven installation of 'capabilities', including commercial closed source programs such as Flash plug-in, Adobe Reader, w32codecs (divx, mp3, etc). You SHOULD NOT use it with Debian. Even the Ubuntu Technical Board advises against it. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html |
| 23:34.31 | Flinx | *chuckles* it's reasons like that why I -ASK- first ;) |
| 23:34.42 | amphi | Flinx: the url at the end of the factoid is worth reading |
| 23:34.45 | zinx | Flinx: you should consider using synaptic (for GUI) or aptitude (TUI/commandline) |
| 23:34.52 | Flinx | I do |
| 23:35.24 | Flinx | it just seemed like an addon at first >.> |
| 23:35.38 | the_wanderer | greatly prefers apt-get to aptitude, but either works |
| 23:36.08 | FoxM | saimonn: Thanks, but it is an internal wifi card on the notebook... can it be connected to any other computer with a WiFi interface? |
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| 23:36.20 | Flinx | and... of course.. I put "burn" into aptidude and I get results -.- |
| 23:36.32 | geek | FoxM: using ad hoc mode, or using master mode on the other computer if it supports it |
| 23:36.38 | Flinx | apparently CD/DVD burner is the wrong thing to call it |
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| 23:37.04 | Flinx | Thank you zinx and amphi !! |
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| 23:38.55 | FoxM | geek: I cannot even install it... how can I use it in ad-hoc mode? I want to test if the hardware is burnt or not ;) |
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| 23:40.26 | geek | FoxM: thats different. what kinda wifi card? |
| 23:40.57 | geek | erf, reading up... |
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| 23:41.47 | daniiel | FoxM: did the device manager already recognize it, then it just stopped? and you weren't trying to flash it or anything unusal where you? |
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| 23:43.48 | FoxM | daniiel: & geek: It is a BroadCom 4328 a/b/g card. It worked perfectly under Debian + ndiswrapper a few months ago (I do not use it too much). It stopped working under Windows too and now it is not possible to install even the drivers |
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| 23:44.16 | EoN | Hi guys. Is there a way to look up any SPF record entries for a given email address domain? |
| 23:44.23 | geek | FoxM: if it won't work under windows, sadly i think the chances of making it work in debian is slim |
| 23:44.26 | EoN | from shell |
| 23:44.27 | FoxM | daniiel: & geek: it came with my HP tx1420us |
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| 23:45.11 | FoxM | geek: I know... but at least I want to know if it is possible to get more info about it using debian... any strings I should look in syslogs or something? |
| 23:45.31 | daniiel | FoxM type (as root) lspci |
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| 23:46.18 | daniiel | what does the wireless com up as ? |
| 23:47.38 | FoxM | daniiel: I used dmesg and it is recognized.... knetworkmanager finds wireless networks around... but when I try to connect to any of them... the whole system freezes |
| 23:48.05 | daniiel | FoxM as root type: lspci |
| 23:48.20 | daniiel | what kind of wireless device do you have ? |
| 23:48.31 | FoxM | daniiel: lspci does not show anything. lsusb, though, lists the card: |
| 23:48.32 | FoxM | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 03f0:171d Hewlett-Packard Wireless (Bluetooth + WLAN) Interface [Integrated Module] |
| 23:49.12 | daniiel | is this plugged into your usb port, yes? |
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| 23:49.55 | FoxM | no... it is internal, but seems to use the USB system |
| 23:50.01 | daniiel | hmm |
| 23:50.21 | daniiel | does iwconfig show it ? |
| 23:50.51 | FoxM | daniiel: let me see |
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| 23:58.53 | nikoz | hi |
| 23:59.40 | nikoz | is any pdf to text utility in linux that sabes the formatting? |
