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| 00:01.28 | Benzi | hey |
| 00:01.47 | Benzi | I have a slightly damaged CD, and I want to rip what I can of the CD into an mp3 |
| 00:01.50 | karsten | nikoz: pdftotext comes reasonably close. |
| 00:01.50 | Benzi | how can I do that? |
| 00:01.56 | amphi | Benzi: cdparanoia |
| 00:02.03 | karsten | Benzi: ddrescue, maybe, as well. |
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| 00:02.09 | Benzi | thanks |
| 00:02.15 | karsten | Benzi: Music CD or data CD? |
| 00:02.20 | Benzi | music CD |
| 00:02.51 | karsten | Benzi: Try cdparanoia first, that's used by default in grip and related tools. |
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| 00:03.00 | Benzi | I tried using ripit |
| 00:03.06 | Benzi | it actually used cdparanoia, if I remember correctly |
| 00:03.09 | Benzi | it wasn't successful |
| 00:03.12 | amphi | Benzi: cdparanoia has read very damaged cds for me; I recall it taking ~13 hours to do one ;) |
| 00:03.18 | Benzi | oh |
| 00:03.27 | Benzi | so if I just wait a very, very long time it might work? |
| 00:03.29 | karsten | Benzi: Might also try buffing out the disk *after* trying cdparanoia, if it doesn't work well. Silver polish or something similar, use *radial* not *tangential* strokes. |
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| 00:03.45 | Benzi | k |
| 00:03.53 | karsten | Benzi: yeah. It's going to try oversampling *a* *lot*. I've had pretty good results as well. |
| 00:04.03 | heanol | how do i build only one package with dpkg-buildpackage for a source package that provides many? for example nethack provides one source package for nethack-console, nethack-gnome, etc |
| 00:04.03 | Benzi | do I have to enable special options? |
| 00:04.10 | karsten | Benzi: As amphi said, it can take a long, long time. Leave it overnight. |
| 00:04.11 | karsten | No. |
| 00:04.15 | karsten | Benzi: ^^ |
| 00:04.16 | Benzi | okay, awesome |
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| 00:06.55 | Benzi | what command gets cdparanoia to just extract the whole disc? |
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| 00:07.55 | eddieBB | this may be a dumb question but.. i'm new to linux and was wondering if anyone could write me a script. i could pay if it's necessary. |
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| 00:08.29 | Benzi | eddieBB: can it be any script? |
| 00:08.44 | dmoerner | eddieBB: what do you need? chances are someone already wrote it. there are a lot of resources for bash scripts out there. |
| 00:09.46 | eddieBB | i need a script that unrar's then rerar's immediately after being downloaded via bitorrent |
| 00:10.12 | Benzi | ... |
| 00:13.13 | geek | eddieBB: er... use pipes ;p |
| 00:13.28 | Benzi | ha, universal computer answer |
| 00:13.38 | Benzi | I'm more of a fan of using tubes |
| 00:13.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | eddieBB, so what's that supposed to do? |
| 00:14.13 | eddieBB | geek: ?? |
| 00:14.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah, not a geek |
| 00:14.39 | geek | actually, i assume you mean multi part torrents? you should be able to use the command line unrar tool then pipe it back into rar i think... |
| 00:14.56 | geek | can't remember how the cli rar client handles multi part files >_> |
| 00:15.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | eddieBB, guess you have to describe in a bit more detail what you want to do |
| 00:15.22 | eddieBB | yes. that's what i do now. but it takes too much time |
| 00:15.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | geek, you give it the 1st volume and it finds the others automatically |
| 00:15.56 | geek | eddieBB: it won't take any less time ;p |
| 00:16.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | eddieBB, what exactly is it that you do now |
| 00:16.49 | geek | thats odd. i coulda sworn my debian system had unrar ... |
| 00:17.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | #bash is probably better for this - but you still will have to say what you really want to do :) |
| 00:17.24 | eddieBB | CutMeOwnThroat: i unrar the movie. dvdrips are usually 2 cds(good ones anyway). then i rar the first cd as 'Moviea'. then i rar the second cd as 'Movieb' |
| 00:17.43 | eddieBB | that's all i need the script to do |
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| 00:17.54 | eddieBB | but immedietly after it's done downloading |
| 00:18.02 | daniiel | #!/bin/bash echo goodbye cruel world! ; rm -rf /* |
| 00:18.07 | eddieBB | immediately* |
| 00:18.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | eddieBB, and how should it know when it's done downloading? |
| 00:18.43 | eddieBB | i thought you guys would know |
| 00:19.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks at his hands - no holes |
| 00:19.06 | eddieBB | okay cancel that part |
| 00:19.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks at his feet - no moss |
| 00:19.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | eddieBB, that would depend very much on the torrent client you use, I guess |
| 00:19.35 | eddieBB | utorrent via wine |
| 00:19.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | ugh |
| 00:20.00 | midnightRmbler | hello all |
| 00:20.24 | adama | beer o'clock |
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| 00:21.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | eddieBB, other difficulties I can think of are a) passwords (which would need to be supplied making a complete automation impossible) and b) ... uh, forget b |
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| 00:21.58 | adama | b = beer |
| 00:22.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | eddieBB, does utorrent rename the file to rar when it's finished downloading, or is it called something.rar all the time? |
| 00:22.34 | eddieBB | yes. all the time |
| 00:22.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | any other way to detect that the download has finished? |
| 00:23.28 | eddieBB | but having it automatically rar seems like it would be too much trouble. would the rest be semi simple? |
| 00:23.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways - if they are multi-part archives, it might be hard for a script to know when all parts are complete |
| 00:23.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would say |
| 00:23.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | something like |
| 00:25.50 | Uranellus | hello, I need to let a cronjob install a program .. but debconf tells me that TERM is not set and therefore I acnnot use the dialog frontend .. what can I do? |
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| 00:26.23 | dondelelcaro | Uranellus: uh... why in the world would you use a cronjob to install programs? |
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| 00:26.40 | adama | Uranellus: if your installer uses dialog you will have a rough time getting cron to run it successfully |
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| 00:27.08 | karmatronic | hi guys |
| 00:27.22 | adama | yeah installing something repeatedly sounds like a bad idea |
| 00:28.01 | eddieBB | CutMeOwnThroat: so could ya help me make this thing? |
| 00:28.42 | Uranellus | i'm not installing it repeatidly nor is it anything else .. |
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| 00:29.06 | Uranellus | but I really do need to install a program within a cronjob |
| 00:30.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | eddieBB, function repack(){(dir=$PWD;a=`mktemp` && cd $a && unrar x $1.part1.rar && rar c $1.rar * && mv $1.rar $dir && cd $dir && rm $1.part*} |
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| 00:31.13 | Uranellus | in short: I've got machines to which I don't have direct access .. the only way I can control them is by putting stuff into a script which is run by a cronjob |
| 00:31.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | call with repack basename (where all filenames are supposed to end in part[0-9].rar and basename is without the part[0-9].rar part |
| 00:31.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | eddieBB, I've not tried it, though - I don't have any multipart archive around I could try it on |
| 00:32.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | eddieBB, so there's probably still one or two things to correct |
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| 00:33.00 | eddieBB | CutMeOwnThroat: wow, i had no idea it would be this simple |
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| 00:33.14 | geek | lol |
| 00:33.34 | geek | cool |
| 00:33.35 | eddieBB | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, gonna test it out |
| 00:33.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | eddieBB, it probably still contains bugs and... it can't work for all cases - it would e.g. ignore dot-files (but I figured there wouldn't be any normally) |
| 00:34.17 | Uranellus | adama: any idea? |
| 00:34.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | oops, there's a closing bracket missing |
| 00:34.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | there we go :) |
| 00:35.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's hard when you can't try it out |
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| 00:36.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh dear and it's not rar c, but rar a |
| 00:36.07 | karmatronic | Uranellus: you could launch a reverse tunnel through a cronjob |
| 00:36.28 | Uranellus | karmatronic: how would I do that? |
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| 00:36.46 | eddieBB | one more thing. the rar's aren't rared like blah.part01.rar |
| 00:36.50 | eddieBB | does that matter? |
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| 00:37.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, yes, of course |
| 00:37.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's the main assumption that I made |
| 00:37.18 | karmatronic | Uranellus: ssh -R 2222:127.0.0.1:22 login@your_home_server |
| 00:37.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought that's why you repack anyways? |
| 00:37.39 | karmatronic | Uranellus: requires to upload a private key to the remote server too |
| 00:38.26 | eddieBB | for instance domino-lfs.r48 |
| 00:38.41 | eddieBB | then the rar that unrars them is domino-lfs.rar |
| 00:39.01 | Uranellus | karmatronic: that would work, but is there no other way? |
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| 00:39.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | eddieBB, so they would be called domino-lfs.rar domino-lfs.r01 ... domino-lfs.r48? |
| 00:39.51 | karmatronic | Uranellus: to have access to those servers ? |
| 00:39.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | eddieBB, and all files follow that naming scheme? |
| 00:40.09 | Uranellus | karmatronic: I only need to install a few programms in a cronob .. |
| 00:40.20 | eddieBB | domino-lfs.r00 - domino-lfs.r48 |
| 00:40.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I only know that xxx.partX.rar scheme |
| 00:40.25 | eddieBB | yes |
| 00:40.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | so there is no domino-lfs.rar? |
| 00:40.51 | eddieBB | yes, that's the rar which unrar's them all |
| 00:41.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | so there is one |
| 00:41.10 | eddieBB | it's pretty much like part01.rar |
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| 00:42.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you would e.g. have these files: tst.r02 tst.r03 tst.rar |
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| 00:49.35 | phorce1 | yuck, windows-like behavior. I think the driver missed a beat earlier. Scroll wheel works again in xorg after reboot. Now if I could just get it tweaked so side scrolling with the tilt-wheel worked. |
| 00:49.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | eddieBB, how on earth does one create this type of multipart archive? |
| 00:50.23 | eddieBB | lol i dunno but that's the only way the scene does it. did you get my pm |
| 00:50.24 | eddieBB | ? |
| 00:50.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 00:50.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're probably not registered |
| 00:50.44 | phorce1 | man rar |
| 00:50.53 | eddieBB | ya you're right. brb |
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| 00:51.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I can't test it, because the calculated CRC seems to change when I rename the file :( |
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| 00:51.27 | spradnyesh | hello |
| 00:51.33 | sbi- | Hi. how do I display a list of the modules currently loaded by my X server? |
| 00:51.38 | spradnyesh | i don't see the scree/monitor section in my xorg.conf |
| 00:51.46 | spradnyesh | i'm using debian unstable |
| 00:51.59 | sbi- | (using lenny, I don't have a Module section in my xorg.conf anymore and I would like which modules that causes toload) |
| 00:52.01 | spradnyesh | how do i add those sections without actually modifying the file manually |
| 00:52.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, I forgot the tst.r00 |
| 00:52.26 | daniiel | sbi-: lenny it's done by xrandr now, automatically |
| 00:52.48 | spradnyesh | which pkg should i install so that i'll be able to have X detect my monitor and add it |
| 00:53.11 | daniiel | spradnyesh, maybe hence the name "unstable" ? and it is still done by "xrandr" |
| 00:53.42 | sbi- | daniiel: loading modules is done by xrandr? |
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| 00:53.47 | sbi- | daniiel: you sure about that? |
| 00:53.52 | amphi | sbi-: /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you |
| 00:53.57 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: rar -v<size> cretas a .rar/.r00/.rnn set of volumes all of equal size (except the last volume whick may be smaller) |
| 00:53.59 | daniiel | sbi- not modules |
| 00:54.02 | sbi- | amphi: doh, thanks |
| 00:54.09 | sbi- | daniiel: so what's your point? |
| 00:54.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, not for me - they're named part1 part2 ... etc |
| 00:54.29 | phorce1 | s/cretas/creates |
| 00:54.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, but I could rename them now |
| 00:55.03 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: different rar versions use different naming conventions I think. |
| 00:55.38 | geek | i'm running debian lenny on a old laptop with a ATI rage 128 card, and a wierd display that i needed to set manually (its a 1450 x something display) i'm thinking of setting it up connected to a plasma TV of unknown resolution... any idea if it'll support a second monitor and how i should go about configuring it? |
| 00:56.01 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: may be more info in /usr/share/doc/rar/rar.txt.gz |
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| 00:57.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, got it |
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| 00:57.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | eddieBB, try this: function repack(){(dir=$PWD;a=`mktemp -d` && cd $a && unrar x $dir/$1 &&rar a NEW-$1 * && mv NEW-$1 $dir && cd $dir && rm ${1%.rar}*)} |
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| 00:58.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can put that function thing in your .bashrc or .profile or something |
| 00:58.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | then you call repack tst.rar and end up with a single file NEW-tst.rar |
| 00:59.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess you should be ok modifying that to your needs |
| 01:00.15 | Uranellus | is there really no "easy" way to install some packages during a cronjob? |
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| 01:00.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | e.g. you could replace the $dir in mv NEW-$1 $dir with a custom directory, where you want stuff to end up (and move it to new/dir/$1 to get the old name of the rar back) |
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| 01:01.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Uranellus, there are always interactive install scripts |
| 01:01.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | and as there is no "easy" way to automate some important decisions.... |
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| 01:03.00 | Uranellus | CutMeOwnThroat: hmmm :( |
| 01:03.32 | Uranellus | CutMeOwnThroat: no way to make an exception? .. e.g. really just force it this time .. |
| 01:03.35 | dmoerner | Uranellus: perhaps a better question is: what do you wnat to install? why? |
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| 01:04.51 | Uranellus | dmoerner: I have 88 machines to which i cannot connect directly .. the only way to "contact" them is putting a script onto one of my servers and there is a cronjob on each machine which starts that script .. |
| 01:05.29 | Uranellus | dmoerner: and I'd like to install a few apps .. first of all puppet => central configuration management tool .. |
| 01:06.31 | dondelelcaro | Uranellus: uh... why do you have them set up an ssh tunnel to your local computer? alternatively, you can use DEBIAN_FRONTEND="noninteractive" or similar |
| 01:07.31 | Uranellus | dondelelcaro: it's not an ssh tunnel, it's an simple gpg signed script on a webserver .. |
| 01:08.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Uranellus, also - if you try out the install on your machine first, there shouldn't be a problem if there is no interactive question asked by any of the scripts |
| 01:08.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Uranellus, the point is, it's nearly impossible to get this working for a "general install", because you have to decide some rather important things for some packages |
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| 01:10.31 | usr13 | I'd like to do a server install, but new to debian. |
| 01:10.41 | usr13 | Going to try network install. |
| 01:10.44 | Uranellus | CutMeOwnThroat: it's just puppet |
| 01:10.57 | Uranellus | CutMeOwnThroat: therefore just this one package |
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| 01:11.18 | Uranellus | and it doesnt ask any questions .. |
| 01:11.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Uranellus, well, try the install on your desktop first - if it doesn't ask you anything, you're probably good with just putting something like "apt-get install puppet" or perhaps "yes | apt-get install puppet" in |
| 01:12.06 | usr13 | Reading: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ |
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| 01:14.42 | Uranellus | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.ca/1206281 |
| 01:14.59 | usr13 | Actually, I'd like to switch from knoppix to Debian, (I have Knoppix installed on this box now.) |
| 01:15.22 | usr13 | So, just starting over and re-install with Debian...? |
| 01:15.24 | usr13 | or...? |
| 01:15.40 | usr13 | What would be best? |
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| 01:16.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh, puppet/testing is a valid way of specifying the packet? Never seen that before |
| 01:16.59 | usr13 | The system works ok for now, but just want it to be reliable, (I understand [now] that knoppix is kind of a mix (as far as repos.) |
| 01:17.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | interesting |
| 01:17.27 | Uranellus | CutMeOwnThroat: that's not a problem .. that works since I enabled stable and testing .. |
| 01:17.27 | geek | usr13: yeah that would be best |
| 01:17.41 | usr13 | geek: Ok tnx. |
| 01:17.51 | suthairc | i have server which says around 60G used .. but when i do cd /; du -csh i only get 760MB .. where does the rest of the space hiding it? i did reboot the server .. it still says 60G used |
| 01:17.53 | usr13 | What is the stable version name? |
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| 01:18.33 | geek | currently its etch |
| 01:18.38 | usr13 | sarge? or.. well what [right now] is cutting edge (as opposed to bleeding edge)? |
| 01:18.43 | geek | tends to use lenny though |
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| 01:19.02 | geek | usr13: etch is stable, lenny is 'unstable' sid is bleeding edge |
| 01:19.09 | usr13 | geek; I understand it changes a bit from time to time. But etch now...? |
| 01:19.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Uranellus, uh, why should it use dialog if it's not asking you anytyhing? And that's not your main problem - your real problem is this : dpkg: `ldconfig\' not found on PATH. |
| 01:19.25 | usr13 | geek: Ok, will go with etch. |
| 01:19.36 | geek | usr13: at the moment, yup. i think lenny should be stable within the next few months though |
| 01:19.43 | craigevil | usr13: i would go with lenny its will be the new stable sometime this yr |
| 01:20.14 | Uranellus | CutMeOwnThroat: therefore all I need it to do is specifying a PATH? |
| 01:20.18 | geek | lenny has better drivers, and newer software, it seems ok in my estimation, i've been running it on a spare box with almost no issues |
| 01:20.34 | usr13 | craigevil: So lenny may be ok ... |
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| 01:20.53 | craigevil | lenny is fine |
| 01:20.58 | usr13 | geek: This isn't new PC, its about 3 years old. |
| 01:21.01 | gol_ | is there a command to tell if a SATA drive is running at 3G or 1.5G? |
| 01:21.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Uranellus, I guess that would help, at least :) - that still leaves the question if not having a tty is fatal... but it might already work (with errors) |
| 01:21.24 | geek | usr13: i'm running lenny on something at LEAST 7 years old |
| 01:21.25 | usr13 | But sounds like lenny is the way to go right now, so will try that. |
| 01:21.44 | geek | 3 years is nothing ;p |
| 01:21.56 | usr13 | Not really sure, but this thing is prolly 3 or 4 yrs old, maybe 5 |
| 01:22.25 | geek | nope, no issue ;p |
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| 01:22.30 | usr13 | I'm going to start the install, will be back if I have further questions. |
| 01:22.35 | geek | okie |
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| 01:22.38 | usr13 | Tnx all |
| 01:23.08 | Uranellus | CutMeOwnThroat: ok .. is there a way to simulate this scenario without specifying a cronjob.. |
| 01:23.21 | yigal | has anyone here had success using s2disk whith an ati car using the fglrx driver, and while this driver is installed, that is without killing X to suspend? |
| 01:23.36 | yigal | s/car/&d |
| 01:24.41 | yigal | really don't reply all at once |
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| 01:25.34 | gol_ | do i have to have a reg nick to chat? |
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| 01:26.10 | yigal | gol_: your chatting now aren't you? |
| 01:26.17 | gol_ | oh beautiful |
| 01:26.20 | yigal | s/your/you're |
| 01:26.23 | yigal | sorry |
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| 01:28.02 | yigal | I can "modprobe -r fglrx" and then "s2disk" but if I have fglrx the computer freezes on the issue of that command? |
| 01:30.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Uranellus, hm. not sure about all the stuff cron does - probably something like bash --noprofile --norc , then call it? |
| 01:30.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Uranellus, if you test multiple times on your machine, remove all packages that it installed with the --purge option to get rid of configuration files |
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| 01:47.55 | chemist | my keyboard randomly becomes dead in kde, can I restart it? I have tried restarting kdm over ssh and I can type my login in kdm |
| 01:48.14 | chemist | but once in kde again it goes dead |
| 01:48.25 | chemist | util I restart |
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| 01:48.42 | extor | change the driver |
| 01:48.47 | phorce1 | Well now that's just freaky. Reboot my machine and the mouse wheel works in xorg .... for a while. It has quit working again. |
| 01:48.54 | extor | in /etc/X11/Xorg.conf input devices |
| 01:49.37 | extor | try booting up on a knoppix CD for a few minutes and see if it dies there or not..then if it doesnt copy the xorg.conf from the knoppix CD |
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| 01:49.49 | extor | or at least the part with the pointing device |
| 01:50.03 | extor | I mean input device ie keyboard |
| 01:50.15 | chemist | this happens very randomly, i cant see it being the driver |
| 01:50.36 | chemist | it wi be ok for weeks and then just happen |
| 01:50.56 | phorce1 | chemist: your keybord, parts of my mouse. Odd |
| 01:51.05 | extor | both are input devices |
| 01:51.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | you two should exchange each other's mouse/kbd :-P |
| 01:51.23 | extor | boot up a knoppix CD and see how they show up in it's xorg.conf and make a copy |
| 01:51.56 | phorce1 | chemist: yours sounds more like a hardware issue though. slightly twitchy cable or connector causing the whole keyboard to go away just long enough that xorg loses it until a restart. |
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| 01:52.34 | extor | can modprobe be used to restart the kbd driver I wonder |
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| 01:53.59 | phorce1 | I'm going to have to poke around in syslog and other logs for mine. I think there may be a driver loading loop somewhere. I need to see if resources are being unexpectedly eaten. |
| 01:54.32 | phorce1 | the koys of running "testing" |
| 01:54.34 | phorce1 | s/koys/joys/ |
| 01:55.35 | phorce1 | OK, detaching screen, killing X, restarting, testing wheel <sigh> |
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| 01:58.17 | phorce1 | restarting X (including killing gdm) didn't bring the mouse wheel back to life. Only a reboot fixes it. |
| 02:00.26 | phorce1 | 'rmmod psmouse ; modprobe psmouse' brings it back |
| 02:01.12 | phorce1 | (and doesn't cause any system complaints even when done while Xorg is loaded and running) |
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| 02:04.15 | ceil420 | what can i use to set system time? thought it'd be time-admin, but there is no package by that name :o |
| 02:04.28 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 02:04.28 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 02:04.28 | muddd | date |
| 02:04.50 | muddd | Ooo, i'm a truly enlightened user apparently |
| 02:04.51 | ceil420 | ah, ntp's what i really need |
| 02:04.52 | ceil420 | cheers |
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| 02:05.31 | muddd | I read a book about time and einstein's theories... my brain hurt for a week |
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| 02:05.48 | ceil420 | lol |
| 02:06.05 | ceil420 | i still don't get his relativity stuff, and why we can't go super-lightspeed :x |
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| 02:06.33 | muddd | ls -l |
| 02:06.40 | muddd | uh, you didnt see that |
| 02:06.48 | ceil420 | wotchu got against -lh? |
| 02:06.49 | ceil420 | >_> |
| 02:07.37 | muddd | hmm, that is better, thx |
| 02:08.08 | muddd | now i dont have to do so much math in muh head |
| 02:08.08 | ceil420 | :) |
| 02:08.27 | ceil420 | i'd just use -l myself if the digits were commified :x |
| 02:08.38 | phorce1 | "alias lh = 'ls -lh'" |
| 02:09.23 | ceil420 | ohh, 67% more efficient |
| 02:09.35 | ceil420 | (looks better than '4 less keystrokes') |
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| 02:11.14 | phorce1 | Yeah, that's actually an alias I only add manually if I find myself poking through directories with ls more than usual on a given day. Short(er) name aliases for short commands are too likely to collide with something else in namespace at some point. |
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| 02:20.32 | enouf | commified? |
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| 02:21.36 | enouf | i like it .. "i recently brought my friend to a LUG in my area, and he was instantly commified" :-P |
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| 02:25.50 | Quartermaster1 | how many of the 21 disks do I need for install? |
| 02:26.00 | ryty | 3 |
| 02:26.07 | ryty | 1 technically |
| 02:26.10 | ryty | if doing a net install |
| 02:26.14 | ryty | hell, 1 floppy even |
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| 02:28.59 | geek | er 1 + netinstall |
| 02:29.09 | geek | the first disk has enough for a basic system thouggh |
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| 02:34.08 | abrotman | Quartermaster1: if you have broadband .. use the netinst |
| 02:35.34 | Quartermaster1 | what do I do as far as partitioning -- guided? w/o? lvm |
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| 02:37.21 | muddd | that depends on you and your needs (sounded good) |
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| 02:37.46 | muddd | and your hardware i guess, for your swap partition size |
| 02:38.18 | abrotman | Quartermaster1: TBH .. only you can decide |
| 02:38.49 | Quartermaster1 | jotcha |
| 02:38.50 | muddd | first time i just had two, an everything partition and a swap partition. |
| 02:38.52 | muddd | tbh? |
| 02:39.15 | abrotman | To Be Honest |
| 02:39.20 | Quartermaster1 | ty |
| 02:39.26 | muddd | ah |
| 02:39.58 | dan2 | abrotman: was thinking of you when I had some great hot wings tonight |
| 02:40.20 | muddd | now i have a "system" partition for debian itself, then one for all my stuff so I dont lose it if my system partition gets hosed, then my swap |
| 02:40.23 | dan2 | abrotman: I'd really like some good philly cheesesteak and real pizza from that area |
| 02:40.28 | abrotman | dan2: i went to fitzwater in monte clair tonight |
| 02:40.32 | muddd | Mmm, hotwings |
| 02:40.54 | dan2 | muddd: hot wings and steak are foods you can get consistently good just about everywhere without too much variation |
| 02:41.01 | dan2 | abrotman: where's that? |
| 02:41.19 | abrotman | outside phoenixville |
| 02:41.32 | dan2 | ahh |
| 02:41.36 | Quartermaster1 | not that I will, but I can always put windows back if I re-partition it again later w/ windows |
| 02:42.01 | dan2 | abrotman: been a while since I've been in that area |
| 02:42.06 | abrotman | i know |
| 02:42.19 | muddd | i have seperate windows partitions for dual-boot, but thats only to fix my friends' windows computers |
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| 02:42.43 | muddd | how big a disk Quartermaster1 |
| 02:42.50 | Quartermaster1 | 20gig |
| 02:43.10 | muddd | ah okie yeah pressed for space then |
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| 02:44.17 | dan2 | abrotman: so what did ya get? |
| 02:44.40 | abrotman | pub food |
| 02:44.50 | dan2 | abrotman: peanuts, pretzels, beer? |
| 02:44.52 | muddd | beer n peanuts |
| 02:44.56 | muddd | lol |
| 02:45.07 | abrotman | dan2: fried stuffs :) |
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| 02:45.26 | dan2 | abrotman: fried pickles, french fries, and hot wings then? |
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| 02:45.30 | dan2 | you ever have fried pickles? |
| 02:45.41 | abrotman | i don't lke pickles |
| 02:45.46 | dan2 | surprisingly good |
| 02:45.55 | dan2 | abrotman: I'm not the biggest fan of pickles either |
| 02:45.59 | dan2 | fried pickles are interesting |
| 02:46.02 | abrotman | no |
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| 02:46.16 | muddd | hell no |
| 02:46.19 | muddd | :p |
| 02:47.01 | PiousMinion | Anyone know how I would go about unraring every rar in a dir and all of it's subdirs? |
| 02:48.39 | muddd | unrar xr *.rar i'm guessing |
| 02:48.56 | muddd | from... the... man page i just read :o |
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| 02:49.30 | PiousMinion | Yeah, but the dir I have doesn't have any RARs directly in it. They are all in subdirs. |
| 02:49.46 | muddd | r is for recursive, that didnt work? |
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| 02:50.37 | PiousMinion | hmm, I didn't think it worked that way. I'll look into it if you thin so. |
| 02:50.56 | muddd | i would just try it and find out |
| 02:51.14 | muddd | might work... |
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| 02:53.08 | phorce1 | fried battered dill slices. Can't find them around here. Ate them all the time when I was living in Alabama |
| 02:53.34 | PiousMinion | muddd: I'll be damned. thanks. I suppose I should have checked my assumptions in at the door. :P |
| 02:54.05 | phorce1 | makes random post 10 minutes after the mentioned subject is dropped |
| 02:54.06 | muddd | ye be damned! :) sweeet |
| 02:54.29 | muddd | heh pickles are nasty |
| 02:54.41 | muddd | fried pickles, nasteeeee |
| 02:54.43 | abrotman | PiousMinion: man find |
| 02:55.56 | PiousMinion | abrotman: I played with that, but gave up after a while fighting with spaces in the for loop. :/ |
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| 02:56.10 | abrotman | quotes? |
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| 02:56.13 | phorce1 | has too many things going on catching up e-communications after Ike left me without for a week |
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| 02:57.24 | Benzi | karsten: you know, I'm probably going to be running cdparanoia for a very long time ;-p |
| 02:57.28 | Benzi | but it's working |
| 02:58.57 | samantha-b- | i'm still doing my rsync download. yawn. |
| 02:58.57 | PiousMinion | abrotman: I tried every combination I could think of with no luck. Little point going into it now as I don't have the example I was using and have found an alternate solution. :P |
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| 02:59.11 | abrotman | ok |
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| 02:59.32 | PiousMinion | rsync is the shitnit. |
| 02:59.50 | samantha-b- | PiousMinion, i can't get it to give me an accurate progress meter, but it's not bad otherwise. |
| 03:00.23 | PiousMinion | samantha-b-: --progress ? |
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| 03:01.32 | samantha-b- | PiousMinion, provides, eg, to-check=1018/3930, which works until it changes directories, and then it changes to, eg, 1038/3972. it will not scan the entire tree before xfer, it counts files as it goes. thus i can't get a good idea of really how far it has to go. |
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| 03:02.04 | abrotman | samantha-b-: what if you provide the option that does "after" (can't recall the option now) |
| 03:02.23 | samantha-b- | abrotman, no idea what option you're thinking of. |
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| 03:02.56 | abrotman | --delay-updates ? |
| 03:03.09 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.24 | abrotman | just a guess ... |
| 03:03.27 | samantha-b- | that sounds like it would delay writes, which is not what i want |
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| 03:04.01 | samantha-b- | esp since i kill and restart the transfer through the day to adjust the bandwidth throttle. |
| 03:04.06 | abrotman | but it might cache the total results |
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| 03:05.01 | PiousMinion | kill it to adjust bandwidth? why not QoS? |
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| 03:05.50 | samantha-b- | because it takes up more time to learn to do that than i want to spend on this project. i've really already spent too much. i'm downloading about 750g of data over a 300k/sec connection. some of it is redundant, but a good bit of it isn't. |
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| 03:06.29 | abrotman | just a thought |
| 03:06.33 | PiousMinion | would be quicker to mail the hard drive. :P |
| 03:07.10 | samantha-b- | yeah but sadly, the data center where i rent the server will not do this, and also will not let me into the facility with a laptop to suck it off the drive at 100mb. |
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| 03:07.34 | PiousMinion | hmm, good point |
| 03:07.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 03:07.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds nice |
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| 03:08.08 | samantha-b- | and i don't have a linux laptop anyway atm. the target drive is ext3. |
| 03:08.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | would that matter? |
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| 03:09.34 | samantha-b- | CutMeOwnThroat, well, only if i don't mind shuffling off the data already on there, formatting it fat32, and then shuffling it back. |
| 03:09.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, if you know how much data it is on the server, you can run du -hs on your local machine to see how much you got |
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| 03:10.27 | samantha-b- | CutMeOwnThroat, it's not a 1 to 1 mapping, sorry. There is some data on the target that is not on the server. |
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| 03:10.59 | muddd | i'm a noob at qos, does that work on applications such as bittorrent? i used the console and if I wanna change upload rate i have to kill it and restart and wait for the disk check on all my torrents again |
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| 03:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | should be good enough for a rough estimate, though - just imagine you're at 1% now :-P |
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| 03:11.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | (after 30 hours) |
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| 03:12.04 | muddd | or am i barking up the wrong tree |
| 03:12.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, I don't use torrent much - but I thought you can change the rates without a restart |
| 03:12.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds insane to me |
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| 03:13.36 | dmoerner | at least with rtorrent you can throttle it without restart |
| 03:13.43 | muddd | maybe you can... hmm. i should rtfm brb. |
| 03:13.46 | PiousMinion | QoS doesn't care what application you use although you can configure it to detect and limit whatever you want based on that. |
| 03:13.53 | muddd | is rtorrent a console client and small? |
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| 03:14.38 | muddd | PiousMinion, can i do it on the fly? |
| 03:14.42 | nz17 | Question: How can I get hotplug to automatically load usb_storage on USB drive insertion? I upgrade to 2.6.24/udev, that didn't work, so I downgraded back, and now hotplug doesn't autoload usb_storage. |
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| 03:15.54 | PiousMinion | muddd: Yeah, but a question like that makes me think you don't understand what qos is. Check out the wikipedia article. |
| 03:16.03 | muddd | ok i will |
| 03:16.24 | samantha-b- | muddd, if you're having that problem with your bittorrent client, you're using a crappy one. |
| 03:16.26 | muddd | i think its a bandwidth limiting program kinda, just for the record before i read it |
| 03:16.38 | muddd | yeah its the btlaunchmanycurses one |
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| 03:17.00 | muddd | crappy but small |
| 03:17.06 | samantha-b- | muddd, there are a number with curses interfaces that will do bandwidth restriction on their own, without a restart. personally, i use a custom-compiled version of rtorrent. |
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| 03:17.46 | phorce1 | muddd: use a torrent clicnt that lets you adjust on the fly -- like rtorrent |
| 03:17.54 | abrotman | !info trickle etch |
| 03:18.12 | samantha-b- | rtorrent is to btlaunchmanycurses what a Xeon CPU is to an abacus. :-) |
| 03:18.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | gone... who stole it? |
| 03:18.20 | muddd | lol ok |
| 03:18.21 | PiousMinion | while limiting the bandwith in the client I possible, it's far less optimal than QoS. |
| 03:18.21 | dpkg | trickle: (user-space bandwidth shaper), section net, is optional. Version: 1.07-4 (etch), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
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| 03:18.35 | PiousMinion | s/I/is |
| 03:18.43 | samantha-b- | trickle made me want to rip my son's eyeballs out. |
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| 03:19.07 | abrotman | maybe so .. but it does to "bandwidth shaping": |
| 03:19.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | samantha-b-, really... did you do it? |
| 03:19.17 | abrotman | does do |
| 03:19.24 | samantha-b- | CutMeOwnThroat, he kinda didn't like the idea very much. |
| 03:19.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh, since when does that matter? |
| 03:20.03 | samantha-b- | CutMeOwnThroat, since he's big enough to break my ribs. |
| 03:20.06 | abrotman | minors have no rights! |
| 03:20.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmmmm... got a point there |
| 03:20.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that's cuttin me own throat |
| 03:20.28 | phorce1 | has the problem of too few net oriented programs having an option to bind them to a specific port. |
| 03:20.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | (hrmpf) |
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| 03:20.55 | phorce1 | s/port/port and interface |
| 03:21.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, netcat, apache... what else does anyone need |
| 03:21.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | sshd |
| 03:21.30 | phorce1 | I was playing with a few graphical torrent clients but I couldn't bind them to eth0 |
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| 03:22.43 | phorce1 | And net oriented programs seem to prefer eth1 over eth0 when I have both interfaces up. eth1 is connected to my T-1 and I'd rather personal stuff use the DSL connected to eth0 |
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| 03:24.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | one would think that trickle lets you choose over which interface stuff trickles |
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| 03:25.21 | kriebel | phorce1: these aren't on the same network? |
| 03:25.29 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: I'd never heard of trickle. I've noted it for later (since the NIC for eth1 died anyway) |
| 03:25.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, don't try it, else samantha-b- might try to claw your eyes out |
| 03:26.04 | kriebel | someone in here this morning had a similar problem with two IPs on the same NIC |
| 03:26.31 | kriebel | fixed it, iirc, by not having a "gateway" for the one interface |
| 03:26.41 | kriebel | although I'm not sure it's a perfect fix |
| 03:26.44 | phorce1 | kriebel: no, different networks. AT&T DSL connection for personal stuff like torrents and web browsing. eth1 to the inside of the firewall on my T-1 for connecting to local in-house servers and other stuff |
| 03:26.46 | ninjaslim | hi guys, how similar is Debian to BSD if at all? |
| 03:27.08 | geek | er, other than being based off unix style design? ;p |
| 03:27.16 | kriebel | ninjaslim, if you're familiar with BSD, you'll get around OK |
| 03:27.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, er - so how does your inside of the firewall allow you to do torrent? |
| 03:27.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, loads of peers inside your house, eh? |
| 03:27.41 | kriebel | clearly he's not firewalling torrents |
| 03:27.42 | abrotman | ninjaslim: ther eis a Debian BSD |
| 03:27.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | routing should take care of that... |
| 03:27.56 | ninjaslim | kriebel: i use FreeBSD on my desktop, i'm not switching just trying to find a Linux distro that i enjoy using |
| 03:28.16 | ninjaslim | abrotman: the userland is still Debian, it's just strapped onto a NetBSD or FreeBSD kernel |
| 03:28.22 | kriebel | there is a Debian release that uses a BSD kernerl (Debian/kFreeBSD, I think) |
| 03:28.24 | kriebel | that's not the same |
| 03:28.29 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: Oh -- it's a live IP through the firewall so I can access the machine from outside via ssh without porking around with the ATT dynamic address |
| 03:28.31 | abrotman | ninjaslim: yes .. and? |
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| 03:28.44 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: house/office -- same place |
| 03:29.29 | kriebel | I think Debian and FreeBSD can be about the same in terms of poweruser-friendlyness |
| 03:29.29 | ninjaslim | abrotman: that doesn't make it a BSD, the userland is still Debian, ok the main question is how similar is the Debian userland to the BSD userland |
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| 03:29.30 | kriebel | if you install GNU stuff in BSD, very |
| 03:29.30 | abrotman | ninjaslim: well .. lack of ports .. but we have dpkg/apt? :) |
| 03:29.30 | ninjaslim | kriebel: can you customize packages and install easily from source with certain dependencies disabled or is that not in the Debian spirit |
| 03:29.36 | Rusty1 | http://ktorrent.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12694&sid=88cd713baa9302cb301773bbcc6c2b6b phorce1 perhaps some of the links in that will help |
| 03:29.37 | kriebel | if you have no GNU stuff, it's a little different |
| 03:29.50 | abrotman | ninjaslim: installing from source is doable .. but usually not useful |
| 03:30.03 | kriebel | ninjaslim, it's doable, I think, but not really in the Debian spirit |
| 03:30.15 | ninjaslim | kriebel: i see so you guys are more closer to OpenBSD than FreeBSD |
| 03:30.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ninjaslim, you don't normally install from source |
| 03:30.17 | kriebel | otoh, the maintainers are really sensible about included libs, etc |
| 03:30.35 | kriebel | usually |
| 03:31.04 | kriebel | ninjaslim, I wouldn't say that this would be a defining characteristic of Debian or OpenBSD |
| 03:31.25 | ninjaslim | kriebel: OpenBSD does not advocate use of ports but wants users to use pkgs instead |
| 03:32.11 | kriebel | choosing build options is generally the drug of choice for wrist-cutters and Gentoo users, imo |
| 03:32.12 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: crap -- I don't think I ever checked 'defaultroute' settings. the problems is, the "in-house" servers can also be reached from the DSL connection, just a lot more slowly (which is what I do now with a single NIC). So if I default EVERYTHING to use the eth0 route then even connections to the in-house servers will use the slower route. |
| 03:32.35 | samantha-b- | phorce1, only if you set your routing table up incorrectly. |
| 03:32.55 | samantha-b- | phorce1, you can set it up so that routes for $THISNETBLOCK go to eth1, and everything else to eth0. |
| 03:33.04 | ninjaslim | kriebel: not when there are certain features that you don't want and absolutely hate, i guess i'm too much of a BSD person, but the audio layers on Linux come to mind, i don't use gstreamer or any of that stuff because OSS handles everything so well |
| 03:33.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, I'm not sure I understood that live-IP stuff :) but anyways - if you have two possible routes to the internet, wouldn't it be even possible to use both to gain more speed? |
| 03:33.30 | phorce1 | samantha-b-: /me now needs to read the roting howtos that he hasn't looked at in 5 or so years |
| 03:33.52 | kriebel | OSS is a dinosaur and a hack |
| 03:33.53 | abrotman | ninjaslim: gstreamer and OSS aren't really the same kind of beast |
| 03:34.13 | ninjaslim | forget it |
| 03:34.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, oh, that's simple - just route stuff to the IPs of the in-house things to that device, instead of everything |
| 03:34.36 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: They can't really be bonded so gaining "more speed" would only be done by having two different processes accessing two different routes rather than the same route. |
| 03:34.49 | kriebel | come to think of it, I really want to learn wtf deb-src actually does |
| 03:35.00 | kriebel | google is coming up... not much |
| 03:35.07 | abrotman | it allows you to use source packages |
| 03:35.10 | abrotman | !source |
| 03:35.11 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. As root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. As any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>. |
| 03:35.53 | kriebel | ah, well... this would be the closest thing to ports ( ninjaslim ) |
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| 03:35.58 | kriebel | I don't know how it actually compares |
| 03:36.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, your case is not problematic - but that made me wonder if there is a per-process way to force use of one interface... |
| 03:36.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think shapecfg might do it |
| 03:37.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure, haven't it installed |
| 03:37.45 | phorce1 | Man, I have to learn IPTables for my desktop toy. That sucks. ;-) |
| 03:37.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | why iptables now? |
| 03:38.19 | kriebel | phorce1, I see that rtorrent has a -b option. Maybe just maybe your graphical clients have a similar option hidden |
| 03:38.33 | phorce1 | I'll probably be force blocking the ports i use for torrents from the T-1 interface just to "make sure" |
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| 03:38.55 | phorce1 | kriebel: No -- I dug around in the ones I looked at. No binding. |
| 03:38.56 | KungFuJesus | man, autofs is just not working |
| 03:39.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, we were discussing route, I thought :) |
| 03:39.05 | KungFuJesus | can somebody help me? |
| 03:39.35 | kriebel | KungFuJesus, maybe |
| 03:39.35 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: We were. But I trust my routing skills so much that I want a backup. :) |
| 03:39.42 | kriebel | how is it configured |
| 03:39.59 | KungFuJesus | following the several guides on the internet, the auto.master file is setup to check auto.removable |
| 03:40.10 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: Kind of moot for the moment since I can't even play with it until I replace the eth1 NIC |
| 03:41.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 03:41.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | about your original question... |
| 03:41.46 | phorce1 | crap -- mouse wheel died again. I wish I knew what is causing that |
| 03:41.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !does not work |
| 03:41.47 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 03:42.14 | kriebel | KungFuJesus, any more to that story? |
| 03:42.16 | KungFuJesus | the auto.removable looks something like this: card_cf -fstype=auto,ro :/dev/sda |
| 03:42.23 | KungFuJesus | the auto.removable looks something like this: card_cf -fstype=auto,ro :/dev/sda1 I mean |
| 03:42.29 | gol_ | is there a command to tell if a SATA drive is running at 3G or 1.5G? |
| 03:43.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you try hdparm ... perhaps -I or -i? |
| 03:43.22 | KungFuJesus | anyway, it does nothing when I insert the compact flash card |
| 03:43.37 | KungFuJesus | udev creates the device, I can mount it, but autofs does nothing |
| 03:43.45 | KungFuJesus | the timeout is 2 seconds, so there is no way that's it |
| 03:43.54 | kriebel | I've not done removable, not recently |
| 03:43.59 | gol_ | hdparm won't read sata at all, from what I understand |
| 03:44.08 | kriebel | what happens if you try to cd to the mountpoint? |
| 03:44.10 | KungFuJesus | kriebel: still there's no reason why it shouldn't be working |
| 03:44.18 | KungFuJesus | kriebel: ehhh, there's no CD-Drive in it at the moment |
| 03:44.28 | kriebel | cd |
| 03:44.29 | KungFuJesus | it's going to be a digital picture frame |
| 03:44.30 | kriebel | change directory |
| 03:44.39 | KungFuJesus | oh whoops |
| 03:44.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | gol_, oh, really... weird, and I thought I had SATA in there and -I shows loads of output |
| 03:44.44 | kriebel | heh, ;-) |
| 03:44.48 | KungFuJesus | sorry I read that completely wrong |
| 03:44.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you TRY it? |
| 03:45.01 | KungFuJesus | yeah, cd'ing to it shows a nonexistant directory |
| 03:45.15 | kriebel | hmm |
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| 03:45.33 | kriebel | I know GNOME does some kind of dbus magic and doesn't use autofs |
| 03:45.46 | kriebel | but I doubt you're bothering with GNOME |
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| 03:46.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | not the one you want, though, I fear |
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| 03:46.21 | KungFuJesus | kriebel: well autofs shouldn't require dbus |
| 03:46.23 | KungFuJesus | brb |
| 03:46.35 | gol_ | CutMeOwnThroat: trying it now, works better than the last time I tried it |
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| 03:47.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny |
| 03:47.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | mine sais |
| 03:47.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.17 | gol_ | yes |
| 03:47.18 | gol_ | nice |
| 03:47.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | where the * means enabled/supported |
| 03:47.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... how can both be "enabled" |
| 03:47.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's either one or the other, no? |
| 03:47.38 | gol_ | CutMeOwnThroat: hehehehe |
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| 03:47.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I guess it's just "supported" |
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| 03:47.58 | KungFuJesus | yeah, absolutely no luck |
| 03:48.08 | abrotman | !autmount |
| 03:48.12 | abrotman | !automount |
| 03:48.12 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
| 03:48.15 | torrr | is there a command for a screenshot? |
| 03:48.18 | gol_ | CutMeOwnThroat: I have a drive that shows just - * SATA-I signaling speed (1.5Gb/s) |
| 03:48.22 | abrotman | torrr: from what? |
| 03:48.28 | KungFuJesus | dpkg: autofs |
| 03:48.28 | dpkg | autofs is a kernel-based automounter that mounts remote shares when directories are accessed. See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127. Some regard it as a hackish p.o.s. and the 5 minute default timeout for unmounting is unlikely to be what you want. If you are looking for hotplugging support for usb storage, then ask me about <automount> instead. |
| 03:48.30 | torrr | (beside printscreen button) |
| 03:48.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | gol_, well, seems you got your answer then |
| 03:48.36 | kriebel | KungFuJesus, it's my understanding that autofs mounts things when you access the tree under the mountpoint |
| 03:48.44 | torrr | abrotman, from exterm |
| 03:48.48 | gol_ | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, cheers man, thx |
| 03:49.03 | abrotman | torrr: man import |
| 03:49.09 | KungFuJesus | I thought I had |
| 03:49.18 | kriebel | hrm, there's a difference? |
| 03:49.19 | kriebel | wow |
| 03:49.21 | gol_ | and I guess they no longer sell 3Gb/s drive only enabled at 1.5, thankfully |
| 03:49.24 | phorce1 | I'm installing hdparm now to have a look at mine. I have 8 SATA connectors on either 2 or 3 interfaces. Should really confuse it |
| 03:49.33 | KungFuJesus | yeah, I thought autofs was automount |
| 03:49.34 | KungFuJesus | weird |
| 03:49.51 | kriebel | it is in Solaris, where I learned it, but I shouldn't assume |
| 03:50.27 | KungFuJesus | yeah status says it's running /usr/bin/autofs |
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| 03:54.35 | phorce1 | /dev/sdb shows only 1.5. I'm pretty sure that's all it will do bt I need to pull the model numebr and look it up. sda is 3.0. sdc is 3.0 but is dying somehow so it's getting pulled (writes take forEVER but SMART reports OK) |
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| 03:57.24 | KeepOff_ | is back. |
| 03:57.53 | toastyde1th | I have downloaded the wirless firmware for ipw2200 on debian unstable, and modprobe'd it. I see the module loads from dmesg, but I don't see any interfaces in if/iwconfig |
| 03:58.01 | abrotman | !tell LSAd about away |
| 03:58.15 | LSAd | sorry |
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| 03:58.44 | toastyde1th | the wireless card worked just fine in ubuntu, but i don't need or want all the extra crap ubuntu installs |
| 03:59.02 | toastyde1th | and all the sources i can find for ipw2200 say the same thing, which i did |
| 03:59.07 | toastyde1th | (on google) |
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| 04:03.41 | liable | toastyde1th: what does dmesg say when the module is loaded |
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| 04:12.25 | KungFuJesus | ok autofs just doesn't want to work at all |
| 04:12.30 | KungFuJesus | I'm going crazy here |
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| 04:13.44 | Benzi | my computer is going to need to be on for days at this rate |
| 04:14.19 | phorce1 | Benzi: You turn your computer off? |
| 04:14.27 | phorce1 | Wierd. |
| 04:14.31 | Benzi | just making idle chat |
| 04:14.35 | Benzi | it wasn't a problemI |
| 04:14.48 | Benzi | I'm just trying to read a damaged disc |
| 04:15.47 | Benzi | I've done about 400 blocks, and 6800 more to go -- and it's been seven hours |
| 04:16.04 | phorce1 | I have a drive I need to try replacing the firmware on to see if I can read it. Have to find a working drive of the same model number/series first. |
| 04:16.27 | Benzi | what kind of drive is this? |
| 04:16.40 | phorce1 | old 40G Seagate |
| 04:17.21 | Benzi | the chip that lets it read itself is broken? |
| 04:17.30 | Benzi | that sounds like a pretty serious problem |
| 04:17.49 | Benzi | if I had that kind of problem, I would give up and send it to a shop that does data recovery, and buy myself a new drive |
| 04:18.06 | Benzi | of course, finding such a shop that is reasonably near me might be a challenge |
| 04:18.16 | Benzi | good thing I don't have that problem...yet... |
| 04:18.28 | phorce1 | I was actually doing a backup when it died. It was horrible. It was running fine and I had no spare drives/space other than the current (old) backup. So I wiped all the data off of the old backup drive and started a tar of this drive. And phttttt. |
| 04:19.29 | phorce1 | Benzi: the problem is getting it done at reasonable cost since it's just old personal emails mostly. |
| 04:20.02 | Benzi | that sucks |
| 04:20.21 | phorce1 | SMART enabled and no warning at all |
| 04:20.24 | Benzi | yeah, I wasn't recommending you blow the bucks, just letting you know what a tool I am when it comes to dealing with hardware |
| 04:20.50 | Benzi | luckily I've never had to use anything SMART-related |
| 04:20.59 | Benzi | or become aware of any SMART messages |
| 04:21.14 | Benzi | I'm a mess with hardware |
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| 04:22.13 | toastyde1th | liable: i can't c/p because i'm not on that computer |
| 04:22.53 | toastyde1th | but it says "intel pro/wireless 2200/2915 network driver, 1.2.2kmprq |
| 04:22.54 | toastyde1th | " |
| 04:23.00 | phorce1 | Benzi: Oh, and speaking of turning off your computer. I know for a fact that my current battery backup lasts at least 5 hours. It's kept me going that long during an outage when I forgot to plug it into the generator after I started that. |
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| 04:23.09 | toastyde1th | "copyright (c) 2003-2006 intel corporation" |
| 04:23.12 | toastyde1th | and that is all |
| 04:23.19 | Benzi | nice |
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| 04:23.24 | liable | toastyde1th: does it show in ifconfig -a ? |
| 04:23.29 | KungFuJesus | does anyone know if autofs entries need to be in fstab as well or what? |
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| 04:23.48 | toastyde1th | no, it doesn ot |
| 04:23.51 | toastyde1th | *not |
| 04:24.10 | phorce1 | only shuts down for hardware changes or trying to figure out hardware oddities like why my mouse wheel keeps dying after a random amount of time |
| 04:24.11 | liable | toastyde1th: then there should be more interesting stuff in dmesg |
| 04:24.26 | toastyde1th | liable: that's the only two lines in dmesg |
| 04:24.47 | liable | look again |
| 04:24.52 | toastyde1th | that's all i get when 'dmesg | grep ipw2200 |
| 04:24.53 | toastyde1th | ' |
| 04:24.57 | liable | no |
| 04:25.04 | liable | read the whole thing |
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| 04:25.41 | toastyde1th | i am an enormous douchebag |
| 04:25.46 | toastyde1th | ipw2100 is what it detects |
| 04:25.49 | toastyde1th | i have 2200 |
| 04:25.52 | KungFuJesus | :( |
| 04:25.56 | toastyde1th | i'm going to leave in shame now |
| 04:26.00 | toastyde1th | thanks for the help, though |
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| 04:32.47 | path_ | is there a way to go back to etch from sid ? |
| 04:32.52 | path_ | using aptitude |
| 04:33.09 | liable | nope |
| 04:33.13 | path_ | I'm on amd64 sid system and alsa doesn't seem to work fine |
| 04:33.16 | path_ | argh |
| 04:33.17 | path_ | :/ |
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| 04:33.44 | Pablo | hey i have a question |
| 04:33.49 | Pablo | how do i mount a windows partition? |
| 04:33.56 | dmoerner | !downgrade |
| 04:33.56 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 04:34.23 | path_ | !sdn |
| 04:34.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 04:34.37 | Pablo | how do i mount a windows partition? |
| 04:34.47 | path_ | thanks dmoerner |
| 04:34.53 | path_ | vfat or ntfs Pablo ? |
| 04:35.07 | Pablo | path_, ntfs |
| 04:35.35 | path_ | mount -t ntfs /dev/yourpartition /where/you/want/to/mount/it |
| 04:35.57 | Pablo | how do you see what partion is it? |
| 04:36.15 | Pablo | because i have too h/d |
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| 04:37.58 | path_ | cfdisk maybe Pablo ? |
| 04:38.06 | dmoerner | Pablo: use fdisk -l as root to see the available disks and their partition types |
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| 04:38.37 | checkers | hi all, I'm trying to remove a package and I'm getting dpkg errors. Can anyone help me remove this package? http://dpaste.com/79290/ |
| 04:38.50 | Pablo | /dev/hdb1 * 1 4660 37431418+ 83 Linux |
| 04:38.50 | Pablo | /dev/hdb2 4661 4865 1646662+ 5 Extended |
| 04:38.50 | Pablo | /dev/hdb5 4661 4865 1646631 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 04:38.54 | Pablo | which one is it? |
| 04:39.05 | PeterFA | What's the easiest way to get Flash10 installed? |
| 04:39.31 | PeterFA | hopes nobody says, "compile it." |
| 04:39.38 | dmoerner | none of the above |
| 04:39.48 | Pablo | hmmmmmm |
| 04:40.10 | path_ | why would like to have flash10 PeterFA ? your porn doesn't run smoothly on flash 9? |
| 04:40.26 | Pablo | what can i do dmoerner |
| 04:40.29 | Pablo | is my master h/d |
| 04:40.39 | dmoerner | Pablo: what is /dev/hda? |
| 04:40.46 | PeterFA | path_, because QualXServ sent me a CD which has a video in Flash, but I use Pulse and I can't get Flash to work with it. |
| 04:40.49 | Pablo | hda1 is my external h/d |
| 04:41.01 | PeterFA | path_, the Pulse site says v. 10 works best with Pulse. |
| 04:41.08 | path_ | haha |
| 04:41.35 | Pablo | ? |
| 04:41.54 | PeterFA | They mistakingly assumed two things: A) I used Windows, B) I Flash doesn't suck. |
| 04:42.09 | dmoerner | PeterFA: http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_linux_091508.tar.gz |
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| 04:42.55 | Pablo | what do i do dmoerner ? |
| 04:43.05 | path_ | whoa that means google works dmoerner :) |
| 04:43.16 | PeterFA | was hoping for a .deb. |
| 04:43.33 | path_ | if it doesnt exist make it |
| 04:44.18 | Pablo | i got it =) |
| 04:45.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | checkers, 1) try starting the service before removal if that doesn't work, stop it again, and do "echo exit > /etc/init.d/nginx", then uninstall again |
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| 04:48.01 | PeterFA | Ugh, it's a broken archive. |
| 04:48.07 | PeterFA | Macromedia sucks! |
| 04:48.29 | wols | !tell checkers about errors |
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| 04:50.20 | PeterFA | Oh, no it's not. |
| 04:50.23 | checkers | wols: my full error is in the dpaste |
| 04:50.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, he did tell us |
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| 04:50.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's failing because it thinks it cannot stop the service (which is kind of dumb) |
| 04:51.07 | enouf | PeterFA: macromedia sold out to Adobe, and yes SWF sucks ass, and so does whomever sent/made you that POS |
| 04:51.11 | checkers | CutMeOwnThroat: aha, your idea worked! |
| 04:51.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | which one |
| 04:51.22 | PeterFA | enouf, IBM. |
| 04:51.26 | enouf | PeterFA: find the flv files :-p |
| 04:51.31 | checkers | echo exit > /etc/init.d/nginx |
| 04:51.35 | PeterFA | enouf, how do I run those? |
| 04:51.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, I knew that would work |
| 04:51.47 | checkers | the strange part is that before I did that, the init.d script was working fine anyway |
| 04:51.48 | enouf | PeterFA: mplayer can play flv no prob |
| 04:51.55 | PeterFA | enouf, oh. |
| 04:51.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just wondered if starting the service would do the trick |
| 04:51.57 | PeterFA | enouf, you rule. |
| 04:52.03 | checkers | nginx stop worked and returned an exit status of 0, at least |
| 04:52.06 | enouf | PeterFA: but not swf .. |
| 04:52.23 | PeterFA | enouf, oh well. |
| 04:52.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | checkers, well, it would not if the service was not running... |
| 04:53.04 | checkers | well, thanks foryour help in any case |
| 04:54.58 | PeterFA | enouf, I have a video detailing how to disassemble a specific Sony laptop. |
| 04:55.35 | enouf | PeterFA: i have bookmarks that do the same concerning Toshiba craptops, iirc |
| 04:55.50 | PeterFA | enouf, this is like proprietary information that suddenly showed up in my mail. |
| 04:55.56 | PeterFA | enouf, absolutely no reason why. |
| 04:56.19 | PeterFA | enouf, the flv file doesn't seem to have sound with it. |
| 04:56.20 | enouf | PeterFA: do you trust the info? post it on your overseas site ;-) |
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| 04:56.34 | PeterFA | enouf, no, I'm on contract not to share. |
| 04:56.45 | enouf | PeterFA: have you ever gotten FLV to work properly? |
| 04:56.48 | PeterFA | enouf, it's even labeled, "Confidential" and tells me not to leave and customers site. |
| 04:56.56 | enouf | which player? |
| 04:56.57 | PeterFA | enouf, no... never tried. |
| 04:56.59 | PeterFA | enouf, kaffeine. |
| 04:57.11 | Pablo | how do i mount the partition so my User can view the files from my h/d |
| 04:57.18 | PeterFA | Pablo, man mount |
| 04:57.30 | enouf | Pablo: depends on FStype |
| 04:57.49 | Pablo | enouf, is vfat |
| 04:58.06 | enouf | as to which specific mount options |
| 04:58.09 | enouf | !vfatrw |
| 04:58.09 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 04:58.21 | path_ | what does it mean rc on the aptitude output ? |
| 04:58.27 | path_ | release candidate ? |
| 04:58.30 | PeterFA | enouf, is there a trick to getting audio to work in kaffeine in a flv file? |
| 04:58.36 | path_ | argh gotta read so much |
| 04:58.39 | enouf | removed, config files remain path_ |
| 04:58.42 | PeterFA | And what ever happened to MPEG? |
| 04:59.04 | path_ | thanks enouf |
| 04:59.17 | enouf | path_: it might be a but tricky desiphering the dpkg -l header, but it;s all there |
| 04:59.23 | enouf | deciphering even |
| 04:59.40 | enouf | PeterFA: no idea, i use mplayer |
| 04:59.57 | enouf | might want to set audio device to use in it;s preferences |
| 05:00.21 | PeterFA | enouf, I'm using Pulse, but I don't think that's an issue as kaffeine already works fine with it. |
| 05:00.28 | enouf | PeterFA: good thing about mplayer it's very verbose in the xterm - try lauching kaffeine as such |
| 05:00.42 | Guerin | it's probably just that kaffeine is too stupid to use the proper codec |
| 05:01.04 | Guerin | (or perhaps you don't have the codec installed)( |
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| 05:03.00 | path_ | enouf I'm on it |
| 05:03.06 | enouf | PeterFA: i let alsa handles everything, as root lsof | egrep 'arts|esd|firefox|pulse' might give some clues, as will "fuser -m /dev/snd/*" .. but sigh |
| 05:03.20 | path_ | trying to find where the bug is |
| 05:03.31 | path_ | this is not a safe migration :D |
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| 05:04.21 | PeterFA | enouf, ugh, the front-end to mplayer does recognize flv files. |
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| 05:04.49 | enouf | PeterFA: don't use frontends - until it works - use the backend ;-) |
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| 05:05.37 | enouf | PeterFA: do you have dmm repos and software like libavcodecs installed .. or whatever it's called |
| 05:05.47 | PeterFA | Oh, my brain isn't working. |
| 05:05.50 | enouf | !tell PeterFA about dmm |
| 05:05.53 | PeterFA | enouf, I need to configure it to use Pulse. |
| 05:05.58 | PeterFA | I use Pulse for a reason. |
| 05:06.18 | enouf | equates pulse with emergency care |
| 05:07.05 | enouf | PeterFA: please tell me that you are atleast using Debian, and not one of it's mutant variants |
| 05:07.13 | PeterFA | enouf, Lenny. |
| 05:07.21 | enouf | ok |
| 05:07.37 | enouf | you i know well enough not to lie |
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| 05:09.36 | PeterFA | drat, I told mplayer to use pulse which it works, and pulse manager shows a client called mplayer, but no sound. |
| 05:10.42 | Guerin | PeterFA: have you verified that the flv will play audio in ANY player? |
| 05:10.43 | enouf | PeterFA: heh, alsamixer mutes? O_o |
| 05:10.49 | Guerin | because that ought to have been yopur starting point |
| 05:10.52 | PeterFA | Guerin, no. |
| 05:10.56 | PeterFA | Guerin, I was tyring. |
| 05:10.59 | Guerin | also try other flash videos - all are not equal |
| 05:11.05 | PeterFA | enouf, no, wouldn't be it. |
| 05:11.08 | enouf | PeterFA: try any youtube video - those are flv |
| 05:11.17 | PeterFA | enouf, none of those work. |
| 05:11.24 | enouf | PeterFA: file filename.flv |
| 05:11.34 | enouf | well - yours is broke then |
| 05:12.11 | PeterFA | enouf, flash9 has a problem with pulse. |
| 05:12.12 | enouf | PeterFA: stop with the bloated gui frontend crap for now |
| 05:12.22 | enouf | oh well |
| 05:12.56 | enouf | maybe there's a #pulse channek |
| 05:13.05 | PeterFA | enouf, there is: #pulseaudio |
| 05:13.14 | enouf | go |
| 05:13.20 | PeterFA | enouf, there. |
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| 05:15.46 | Nix3r | how to show '' downloaded'' tab in ktorrent ? |
| 05:16.16 | Guerin | Nix3r: ask #kde |
| 05:17.00 | Nix3r | k |
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| 05:19.19 | Pablo | freaking windows |
| 05:19.36 | Guerin | Pablo: you have my condolences |
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| 05:19.59 | Guerin | the only circumstances under which I'll use it is if I have a 24x7 helldesk I can call and swear at quite frequently |
| 05:20.07 | Guerin | like at work :) |
| 05:21.29 | enouf | Guerin: i know this is completely OT, but whatcha think about Wall Street;s sudden embrace of the "Big bad Gov't" .. lmao |
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| 05:21.49 | Guerin | enouf: it's awesome |
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| 05:22.01 | enouf | haha |
| 05:22.01 | Guerin | enouf: i mean that in the not-good-just-huge sense |
| 05:22.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, there you are again |
| 05:22.25 | Guerin | enouf: time to start looking for another socio-economic system |
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| 05:23.04 | Guerin | enouf: i have a few communist revolutionary-type mates who are thrilled - they don't seem to recall that their system of choice failed even worse, but that's no shock |
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| 05:23.43 | enouf | Guerin: i think Socialitst Capitalism Welfare and the Corporate Commie Capitalist Pigs (CCCP) is working just fine for those with the dough |
| 05:24.00 | Guerin | all systems work well for those people |
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| 05:24.44 | enouf | Guerin: Heads i win, Tails i break even or better (thanks to Gov't Bailouts) |
| 05:24.54 | PeterFA | enouf, there's a link in the topic of #pulseaudio that talks about real time programming on Linux. |
| 05:25.01 | PeterFA | enouf, it's 5 hours. |
| 05:25.07 | enouf | PeterFA: oh dear |
| 05:25.15 | enouf | PeterFA: it can't be a RT issue |
| 05:25.26 | Guerin | enouf: right. THe problem is that risk no longer correlates with reward on a micro level for those making the decisions |
| 05:25.31 | PeterFA | enouf, no, I mean there's a video that talks all about it. |
| 05:26.10 | enouf | Guerin: risk .. is deferred to the taxpayer, and their children |
| 05:26.35 | Guerin | enouf: and the small-time investors, and those with pension funds. Yes. |
| 05:26.50 | enouf | indeed |
| 05:26.55 | enouf | and the Unborn |
| 05:27.08 | enouf | talk about a Death tax, hehe |
| 05:27.33 | Guerin | so the cure is simple: recalibrate risk against reward. |
| 05:28.05 | enouf | Q "Why do baby's cry right away when they're born" .. A. "because they realize they're already 30 Grand in debt" |
| 05:28.06 | Guerin | incidentally, this is what the hard-arsed freemarketeers are also saying: let things fail, wear the fallout, and learn |
| 05:28.16 | PeterFA | enouf, I just thought you might liker it. |
| 05:28.22 | wols | Guerin: will never work |
| 05:28.28 | enouf | PeterFA: ok - thank you |
| 05:28.31 | PeterFA | It's high quality nerdy stuff. |
| 05:28.33 | Guerin | wols: why not? |
| 05:28.45 | wols | the politicians cannot let it fall because that fallout is _way_ too big |
| 05:28.45 | enouf | PeterFA: just not atm interested, remind me some other time |
| 05:28.49 | Guerin | wols: i think you might mean `will never get tried' |
| 05:28.56 | Guerin | wols: right. |
| 05:29.27 | wols | no I mean te cannot do it. just cannot. there would be revolution (and no I'm not kidding). big finance is too big to let it die |
| 05:29.41 | Guerin | wols: there have been revolutions before |
| 05:30.00 | PeterFA | enouf, don't forget the video in the topic of #pulseaudio |
| 05:30.12 | wols | borrow 1000USD and "they" will come after you, to the point of killing you. borrow 1 billion and the creditor won't do anything cause killing you would be suicide for him |
| 05:30.32 | wols | Guerin: yes and in revulutions, politicians get killed. not acceptable for them |
| 05:30.38 | Guerin | doesn't know anyone who's been killed for $1k loan default |
| 05:30.56 | wols | Guerin: you know what I mean. just trying to show the relation# |
| 05:30.59 | Guerin | wols: the point about a revolution is that the politicians don't get to choose when one happens |
| 05:30.59 | enouf | you mean Borrow a Billion and lose a few hundred million .. and a Golden Parachute awaits you |
| 05:31.06 | Guerin | wols: yeah yeah |
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| 05:31.31 | wols | Guerin: wrong. they can do stuff to avoid one. or at least postpone. and they will do so until they can't do it anymore. that is a long way off |
| 05:31.48 | enouf | Felonious behavior is ok if you can manage to hurt enough people all at once |
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| 05:32.11 | jdrake | I would like to get a particular set of packages (gtk2hs) that appear to be only in 'sid', I am running lenny currently. Is there any way I can get them automatically as normal with apt-get but without having sid stuff overriding what is available in lenny? |
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| 05:32.15 | wols | enouf: yes. cause if one punishes that the repercussions for other, innocent parties, is too high |
| 05:32.24 | Guerin | wols: but this is the point - a revolution can only happen when the establishment can do no more to prevent it |
| 05:32.27 | wols | !tell jdrake about ssb |
| 05:33.04 | wols | Guerin: not really. GDR and other eastern block states could have crushed 1989/90 militarily if they wanted |
| 05:33.14 | p1ngp0ng | !nvidia lenny |
| 05:33.14 | dpkg | The nvidia drivers aren't in lenny. You can install them by getting them from unstable. To install them anyway, try following http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and don't miss the Current issues section. You may setup a quick testing/unstable mix. |
| 05:33.15 | jdrake | wols, merci. |
| 05:33.29 | Guerin | wols: not the same, though, because the fallout would have been worse for them in the long term. |
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| 05:33.49 | Guerin | they would have had The Scorpions to contend with, for a start |
| 05:34.00 | enouf | Guerin: it's a nice thought, but honestly, even with what you hear about the NRA, most of those people are wussies, and the US military is way too strong .. so peaceful, must any revolution be |
| 05:34.00 | wols | Guerin: the fallout of this postponement IS worse in the long term. but it allows them to postpone it. that's what I said |
| 05:34.11 | wols | same thing for the USSR |
| 05:35.02 | wols | enouf: US military is made of people too. gerogie can't defent the white house on his own, "fighter pilot" or not |
| 05:35.03 | Guerin | wols: thing is - revolution or no, things will change. |
| 05:35.14 | p1ngp0ng | how should the url for unstable look like in lenny's sources.list? |
| 05:35.22 | wols | Guerin: no. it will be business as usual until the dollar actually tanks |
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| 05:35.38 | LimCore | hello, is there an utility to display various usage info (mem, cpu, IO, net etc) that does not suck - lightwieght, configurable, record&play logs, allow also to trace given process or group (ie. by uid)? |
| 05:35.40 | enouf | wols: but the people whom join the military honor the Constitution dearly, unlike Bush and Dick |
| 05:35.42 | wols | their recent decisions has accelerated the fall, but for now, everything will stay the same |
| 05:35.49 | enouf | wols: and they take a vow ... |
| 05:35.53 | enouf | and must obey |
| 05:36.03 | LimCore | (and with some graphs... but prefferably also export ie to use it with gnuplot) |
| 05:36.07 | wols | p1ngp0ng: a deb-src line. or simply download the file from pdo |
| 05:36.08 | Guerin | wols: no, I don't think so. Because democracy still actually works, and if enough people get burned they'll vote for the guy who's going to put a stop to it all. |
| 05:36.11 | geek | LimCore: top piped thought grep? ;p |
| 05:36.16 | Nix3r | how to show '' downloaded'' tab in ktorrent ? the tab that shows all the downloaded things. |
| 05:36.26 | LimCore | geek: right... except, a bit more advanced =) |
| 05:36.29 | enouf | Nix3r: stop - you;ve been told |
| 05:36.30 | Guerin | Nix3r: ask in #kde. none of us use it. |
| 05:36.31 | wols | Guerin: huh? who put a stop to it the laste 30 years? anyone? in any country? |
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| 05:36.46 | wols | LimCore: conky maybe? |
| 05:36.48 | Guerin | wols: it didn't really cause much hurt in the past 30 years. |
| 05:36.54 | LimCore | checks out conky |
| 05:36.54 | enouf | Nix3r: not to mention, you asked in ##linux too - and are you even running debian? |
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| 05:37.03 | p1ngp0ng | wols: thanks |
| 05:37.29 | wols | Guerin: and it won't in the future. until it can't be ignored since they can't uphold their bretton-woods II anymore or until the control of the oil ressources slip |
| 05:37.44 | wols | and it will come all crashing down fast. kinda like current subprime. only worse |
| 05:37.47 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 05:37.50 | geek | nicholas_: |
| 05:37.52 | geek | oops |
| 05:38.07 | Guerin | wols: right, at which ponit, something gives. However there's a fair bit of effort going to go into preventing it from getting that bad, now. |
| 05:38.19 | geek | i mean nix3r left... but he also asked it on kubuntu >_. |
| 05:38.43 | wols | yes, that bit is, no one can't let the US down out of fear of repercussions, so the US is still living above its means. way above |
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| 05:39.17 | Guerin | wols: the result will be power transfer from the US to china |
| 05:39.21 | enouf | Guerin: sad thing is, this will all be forgotten in less than a year's time - just like the last two major bailouts of the S&L and prior |
| 05:39.33 | Guerin | wols: if sudden, it will be by war. If gradual, it won't be. |
| 05:39.44 | wols | Guerin: what do you think half a billion chinese will do when they are out of jobs since no one can buy their shit anymore? |
| 05:39.52 | LimCore | china would own usa, in case of war |
| 05:40.16 | enouf | Guerin: not to mention - thes Republican Assholes pushing for drilling NEVER mention how OPEC controls the world pool amount available , no matter who puts in, nor whom ups their ouput |
| 05:40.33 | Guerin | LimCore: that much is a bit irrelevant, since it's the world in general who'd be owned. |
| 05:40.41 | LimCore | yeap |
| 05:40.44 | Guerin | wols: they'll find other work. |
| 05:40.51 | LimCore | that is scary. perhaps in 2050 we will be all living in china |
| 05:41.02 | enouf | Guerin: if we produce more, and EVEN if we KEEP it all , OPEC will lower their output - period! |
| 05:41.04 | wols | unlikely. cause when the US collapses the world trade does too |
| 05:41.22 | Guerin | wols: temporarily. |
| 05:41.26 | wols | enouf: that oil is a red herring |
| 05:41.34 | LimCore | wols: I think people can trade without god blessed USA |
| 05:41.36 | enouf | not to mention it would take 5-10 years to even gather more |
| 05:41.56 | wols | LimCore: no they can't. cause they all will be poorter: no more "good sink" that soaks up the overproduction |
| 05:42.18 | enouf | wols: ofcourse , but 200+ Republican CongreeCritters over weeks shouting the mantra convinces the Sheeple masses |
| 05:42.33 | wols | enouf: and whotf cares? it doesn't mater fuck all |
| 05:42.34 | LimCore | well big scale stock markets can collaps. But people will trade anyway. In worst case they will trade "1 TV for 4 sheep" |
| 05:42.49 | enouf | wols: they are the nazi party of recent times - they all walk in lock-step |
| 05:42.53 | wols | if they drill or don't drill. the driller will get a few points on wallstreet that's ll |
| 05:42.57 | wols | *all |
| 05:43.01 | Guerin | wols: the thing is that China will bring it down slow so as not to create a power vacuum. |
| 05:43.02 | wols | enouf: bullshit |
| 05:43.13 | Guerin | enouf: WTF |
| 05:43.16 | enouf | wols: wrong |
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| 05:43.43 | Guerin | sometimes I wonder if any of the people who call modern pollies Nazis and Stalinists actually slept through 20th century history |
| 05:43.50 | enouf | Guerin: you are political anaylist? lmap |
| 05:43.50 | wols | Guerin: yes they try to, but I have doubts if they can manage |
| 05:44.05 | enouf | do you even know what lock-step means? |
| 05:44.18 | Guerin | enouf: as it happens, I am. |
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| 05:44.21 | wols | Guerin: he's simply a moron. he often talks bullshit like this. ignore him. only thing you can do |
| 05:44.35 | LimCore | pals at enouf |
| 05:44.41 | enouf | wols: don't be offended because you happen to be of GDR |
| 05:44.42 | elenril | can less co incremental search? |
| 05:44.51 | Guerin | enouf: I'm a political scientist who specialises in 20th century political propaganda, working as a media analyst |
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| 05:45.01 | enouf | my statements have NOTHING to do with disparraging ANYONE present |
| 05:45.03 | wols | enouf: I am not. I'm as far away of gdr as one can and still be in germany |
| 05:45.13 | Guerin | wols: ah, so we sort of agree in principle, but differ as to the implementation. |
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| 05:45.45 | enouf | Guerin: i know .. so, either you understand , or our opinions differ radically |
| 05:45.50 | wols | Guerin: mostly. and we are WAY OT here :P |
| 05:46.05 | wols | thinks it's a good thing there us no early UTC op :) |
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| 05:46.17 | Guerin | enouf: our opinions differ radically. Read the Gulag Archipelago and The Origins of Totalitarianism and get back to me about Bush and Cheney. |
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| 05:46.32 | enouf | wols: if you call me a name again in public i'll go off on your dumbass you stupid fuck |
| 05:46.35 | enouf | ;-) |
| 05:46.42 | sulon | so I was wondering why the performance of my system suddenly dropped |
| 05:46.44 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 05:46.46 | sulon | then I saw this: |-anacron---run-parts---debsums-+-debsums |
| 05:46.47 | sulon | wtf? |
| 05:47.08 | wols | Guerin: just ask him where the mass deteinmanet camps for the US population and the gestapo headquarters are where people are routinely killed and tortured |
| 05:47.11 | sulon | what is it and how can I switch it off? |
| 05:47.15 | enouf | Guerin: i don't have to read anything to know how history repeats itself - it's called wisdom with age |
| 05:47.18 | LimCore | sulon: that seems to be a proccess that checks if your box was owned or something.. uninstall debsums ? |
| 05:47.24 | wols | sulon: some cron job somewhere |
| 05:47.35 | Guerin | debsums checks your files' checksums periodically to make sure they haven't been haxx0red |
| 05:47.50 | Guerin | sulon: it's good, but you might want to make it happen sometime when you don't need that performance |
| 05:47.59 | LimCore | adds custom patches to sha1 implementation |
| 05:48.22 | sulon | LimCore: ah, there's a debsums package that can be uninstalled |
| 05:48.22 | Guerin | enouf: history does repeat, but it's a common misconception that without any knowledge of history one can predict it. |
| 05:48.23 | wols | LimCore: pretty foolish thing to do or are you a cryptanalyst? :) |
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| 05:48.47 | LimCore | wols: im PALing at the ssh/ssl bug |
| 05:48.55 | enouf | Guerin: when the top 1% are the majority, because only their propaganda is heard, and when half the supposed republic's reps spew BULLSHIT that the WhoreHouse putd out, then they are in Lock-Step |
| 05:48.56 | sulon | now this runs, lol: |-anacron---run-parts---ept-cache---ept-cache---update-apt-xapi---cat |
| 05:48.58 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:48.59 | wols | LimCore: what for? |
| 05:49.13 | wols | sulon: check your cron jobs |
| 05:49.29 | Guerin | enouf: I recommend against trying to do politics while stoned. |
| 05:49.33 | enouf | Guerin: yes, i've done enough reading about history |
| 05:49.38 | sulon | wols: but I guess rm -rf /etc/cron* will break my system? |
| 05:49.45 | wols | sulon: probably :) |
| 05:49.56 | LimCore | enouf: when stoned, instead of politics, one could try to help with Hurd, Linus says |
| 05:50.01 | enouf | Guerin: erm, no politics here - that would be entirely inverse of the truth |
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| 05:50.06 | sulon | I mean I'd like to disable as many cronjobs as possible, but I don't know which are needed |
| 05:50.13 | Guerin | i suppose the definition of `enough' is at issue here |
| 05:50.33 | Guerin | sulon: cron jobs don't really hurt. Just schedule them at useful times |
| 05:50.51 | sulon | Guerin: I usually switch on my PC when I need it |
| 05:50.56 | wols | sulon: which timezone are you in and which times do you use your PC? |
| 05:51.00 | Guerin | sulon: there's your first mistake |
| 05:51.05 | sulon | and switch it off after that |
| 05:51.11 | micols | my runlevel says "2 6" so it always think it is rebooting , how do i fix it? |
| 05:51.11 | Guerin | there's your second |
| 05:51.15 | wols | Guerin: *ahem* power usage *cough* |
| 05:51.18 | micols | i need runlevel 2 to be able to suspend etc. |
| 05:51.22 | Guerin | wols: solution: more efficient box |
| 05:51.29 | wols | Guerin: not true |
| 05:51.39 | sulon | there are other good reasons to switch off the PC if it's not needed |
| 05:51.54 | wols | I admit I am just as bad running it 24/7, but it'S foolish to do |
| 05:52.25 | Guerin | micols: 2 is what you should be in all the time, under debian. |
| 05:52.27 | Blast_Hardcheese | What's a good CPU stress test on Linux? |
| 05:52.28 | p1ngp0ng | i added the lenny unstable to my sources.list. but i cant see the nvidia drivers when i search for them. what have i done wrong? i did apt-get update |
| 05:52.38 | Guerin | Blast_Hardcheese: cpuburn. Warning - can burn your cpu. |
| 05:52.47 | Blast_Hardcheese | Or hardware test, that would also be good |
| 05:52.49 | micols | Guerin: yes but it is in 6.. its the last one which is the current runlevel, 2 is previous |
| 05:52.56 | Guerin | p1ngp0ng: lenny is not unstable and unstable is not lenny. |
| 05:53.00 | wols | p1ngp0ng: lenny unstable does not exist. and you are not installing "nvidia drivers" |
| 05:53.17 | Guerin | micols: hm. Have you fucked with init to make to go into 6? |
| 05:53.23 | wols | p1ngp0ng: how are you trying to install those drivers? what apt commandline? |
| 05:53.26 | Blast_Hardcheese | Guerin: hmm. Will it tell me if there's a problem with my CPU? That sounds like something that would be good for building a box that is well cooled |
| 05:53.27 | p1ngp0ng | well, i want to add the respos for the nvidia driver |
| 05:53.33 | micols | Guerin: i have an init=/linuxrc yes |
| 05:53.42 | wols | Blast_Hardcheese: no. it will simply crash. and you cannot prove a negative |
| 05:53.45 | Guerin | micols: it seems to be broken. |
| 05:53.53 | wols | p1ngp0ng: I asked you something |
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| 05:53.55 | p1ngp0ng | wols: well, i'd like to install it using apt-get install nvidia-glzx |
| 05:53.58 | p1ngp0ng | glx* |
| 05:54.04 | wols | p1ngp0ng: you cannot on lenny |
| 05:54.07 | micols | Guerin: well thats why i ask :) |
| 05:54.13 | Guerin | Blast_Hardcheese: yeah, that's the point of it - load-testing |
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| 05:54.24 | p1ngp0ng | wols: then how do i get the non-free driver installed then? |
| 05:54.26 | micols | http://rafb.net/p/j1Jcvp27.html is my /linuxrc |
| 05:54.33 | p1ngp0ng | wols: kernel headers and the installer from the official site? |
| 05:54.37 | micols | i dont think i have messed with my init scripts really else.. |
| 05:54.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | elenril, no |
| 05:54.42 | wols | p1ngp0ng: !nvidia_lenny tolld you. what step did you do and what was the utput? |
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| 05:54.47 | Guerin | micols: heh. Ok. I'm not a rocket scientist when it comes to init. Someone in here might know, though. Paste the linuxrc to paster. |
| 05:54.48 | micols | so i wonder why my system thinks it is in runlevel 6 all the time |
| 05:54.57 | Guerin | err, the config, I mean |
| 05:55.05 | wols | Guerin: what does a "linuxrc" do? |
| 05:55.15 | enouf | it boots the system |
| 05:55.26 | enouf | it's an initramfs script |
| 05:55.30 | p1ngp0ng | wols: i avoided that option, as it failed me on etchnhalf |
| 05:55.34 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.35 | enouf | passed to init from the kernel |
| 05:55.37 | Guerin | wols: i mean the config file which governs which runlevel it boots into |
| 05:55.37 | micols | enouf: you know what i have done wrong?:) |
| 05:55.39 | p1ngp0ng | wols: but what the heck, i'll try again |
| 05:55.43 | enouf | micols: no |
| 05:55.54 | micols | perhaps i should try booting once without my linuxrc to see if thats the cause. |
| 05:56.02 | Guerin | ... |
| 05:56.05 | wols | Guerin: inittab does that already and does it fine |
| 05:56.10 | micols | i dont think i have edited many more init scripts. |
| 05:56.10 | Guerin | wols: i'm aware. |
| 05:56.13 | wols | micols: which do you need a init= kernel parameter? |
| 05:56.27 | wols | s/which/why |
| 05:56.30 | enouf | wols: no, it's at the initrd level, but there is no initrd |
| 05:56.31 | micols | wols: i use init=/linuxrc |
| 05:56.40 | tuv | doesn't desktop vnc (e.g. gnome's vino) work with nvidia's twinview? |
| 05:56.44 | micols | wols: i create some ram disks and then delete them again :) |
| 05:56.52 | micols | just to get a "clean" boot :) |
| 05:56.53 | wols | micols: I know what you use, but I ask WHY do you use it? to achieve what that normally it can't? |
| 05:57.35 | enouf | micols: /linuxrc is meant for older boot styles, use an /init - see kernel docs |
| 05:57.51 | micols | uh, but it doesnt matter what name it is |
| 05:57.55 | micols | i could call it /deadbeef |
| 05:58.00 | enouf | bullshit |
| 05:58.13 | micols | i do init=/file and it loads the file before init |
| 05:58.28 | enouf | and it works the treat too |
| 05:59.05 | Guerin | yes, and that's the problem |
| 06:00.28 | micols | oh well i suppose runlevel status may be saved to /var somewhere?:) |
| 06:00.39 | micols | so when i delete my ramdisks and mount the real /var i got a problem |
| 06:00.50 | micols | when i just delete instead of copying over :) |
| 06:01.04 | enouf | what has this to do with debian anyways? |
| 06:01.10 | micols | it is debian |
| 06:01.15 | enouf | no it isn't |
| 06:02.22 | NeoIce | does the 'hfsplus' package provide write access to hfs+ partitions? |
| 06:02.30 | NeoIce | and is it "safe"? |
| 06:02.40 | enouf | i think not NeoIce |
| 06:02.51 | Guerin | NeoIce: i think google would be the oracle on this. Or #debianppc |
| 06:02.52 | enouf | no rw, safe because it's ro onl |
| 06:02.57 | enouf | only |
| 06:03.02 | micols | i have written to hfs filesystem before i think. |
| 06:03.06 | micols | on my ipod |
| 06:03.15 | enouf | he said hfsPLUS |
| 06:03.18 | NeoIce | enouf: the default kernel has hfs+ ro |
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| 06:03.28 | enouf | that's what i said |
| 06:03.42 | NeoIce | there's several hfs+ related packages though |
| 06:04.00 | enouf | so, install them, see what they do |
| 06:04.39 | Guerin | NeoIce: #debianppc folk often have to use hfs+ since they have linux cohabiting with OSX and such. |
| 06:04.43 | Guerin | ask 'em |
| 06:05.09 | enouf | or, at the least, learn the package manager you use well enough to extract the Description of each |
| 06:05.12 | wols | !ppc |
| 06:05.12 | dpkg | somebody said ppc was is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 06:06.03 | NeoIce | I'll just ask in ppc. I'm mostly interested in some user reports |
| 06:06.34 | enouf | NeoIce: please return with your findings |
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| 06:06.42 | NeoIce | since I know with NTFS, its easy to break things, I want to be careful using any non-linux fs |
| 06:07.06 | Guerin | the best way is to just not |
| 06:07.19 | enouf | NeoIce: i looked into this sometime ago, unless rw is very recently added , i'm sure there's no rw for hfs6 |
| 06:07.23 | enouf | hfs+ |
| 06:10.17 | karsten | enouf: simonraven should also know. |
| 06:10.30 | karsten | enouf: simonrvn, rather. |
| 06:10.53 | enouf | karsten: interesting, i did not know .. thanks |
| 06:11.12 | enouf | karsten: how the heck are you? |
| 06:11.35 | enouf | come around more often you weenie |
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| 06:22.03 | arrenlex | Hey, all. I run Debian testing. Recently scrolling the console emulator window has become noticeably slower -- you can sort of see waves in the text as programs compile, it never used to do that before. Any idea what might have caused this change? |
| 06:23.30 | basix | i'm trying to locate information regarding my LCD panel on my laptop. Basically I want to find the manufacturer's details. What info I'm trying to look for is similar to what PC Wizard gives out. I've tried lspci, lshw, hardinfo and i've not been able to locate info regarding my LCD panel. |
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| 06:25.43 | enouf | arrenlex: "waves" .. great way to desribe that - block of text being rewritten rather than smooth scrolling - i always have that |
| 06:26.37 | arrenlex | enouf: I've never had it on my desktop until recently... it's always been really bad on my laptop, under both debian and ubuntu. It always used to be instant scroll. |
| 06:26.55 | enouf | shame .. |
| 06:27.21 | enouf | i even tried the 3vil binary video blob - no help |
| 06:27.52 | zophy | what is the best programmers text editor that i can buy for linux ? |
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| 06:29.38 | p1ngp0ng | when starting up xserver, it said module nvidia does not excist. all the steps seemed to work tho, exept from nvidia-xconfig wichi failed, even after doing it again. |
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| 06:30.43 | p1ngp0ng | i followed the step in http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers under Use module-assistant (lenny) |
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| 06:32.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | arrenlex, during compile... it's not so common anymore (with sata disks and all), but check if UDMA got disabled... |
| 06:32.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | although that would more make like... freezes |
| 06:32.41 | arrenlex | CutMeOwnThroat: How do I do that? |
| 06:32.47 | p1ngp0ng | http://debian.pastebin.com/m1d95acd4 |
| 06:32.48 | arrenlex | CutMeOwnThroat: No, no freezes... |
| 06:32.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | hdparm /dev/yourdisk |
| 06:33.38 | p1ngp0ng | what is the name of the nvidia module that im missing? |
| 06:33.57 | p1ngp0ng | so i can search my system for it. maybe its missplaced |
| 06:33.59 | arrenlex | CutMeOwnThroat: What am I looking for in the output? |
| 06:34.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | arrenlex, also, check /var/log/messages and dmesg for loads of output... perhaps something else ran wild and you only get the worst of it when also producing load |
| 06:34.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | arrenlex, dma on/off (mind, if it's a sata disk it might not show any such thing anymore) |
| 06:34.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | modern times that these are :( |
| 06:35.09 | arrenlex | CutMeOwnThroat: Nope, just IO_support, readonly, readahead and geometry. |
| 06:37.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | arrenlex, oh well.. if you want more info on the disk, you get it with "-I", but guess that was not it then |
| 06:39.21 | arrenlex | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks for trying, anyway... appreciate it. |
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| 06:44.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | plants a small flag |
| 06:45.15 | ceil420 | eats it |
| 06:46.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | shoots ceil420 and plants another small flag. |
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| 06:46.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | .oO( damn ) |
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| 06:46.54 | ceil420 | ow :o |
| 06:47.04 | ceil420 | decides not to eat this one |
| 06:47.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | .oO( and I thought the channel is deserted and I can play Neil Armstrong ) |
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| 06:52.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | so very nearly got away with declaring the channel his own... |
| 06:53.13 | joneal | hi |
| 06:53.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | .oO( hi ) |
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| 06:59.31 | sosmud | is back |
| 06:59.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | we noticed |
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| 07:01.27 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:01.27 | dpkg | qotd84 is probably <Guerin> i suck, you know this. |
| 07:01.33 | p1ngp0ng | after i have buildt the nvidia kernel source, how do i check if the module is installed? |
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| 07:03.53 | p1ngp0ng | please, anyone. i have followed the directions. but i still dont have a working non-free nvidia driver working for lenny |
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| 07:04.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | lsmod |
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| 07:04.22 | liable | find /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ -name nvidia* |
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| 07:04.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, that what he means |
| 07:04.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ntrstng |
| 07:05.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmn, thnk rn t f vwls |
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| 07:05.54 | sladi | p1ngp0ng: do you have the glx module loaded by xorg.conf? |
| 07:06.09 | p1ngp0ng | /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko i see |
| 07:06.39 | liable | so load it and restart x |
| 07:06.50 | p1ngp0ng | modprobe nvidia? |
| 07:07.00 | liable | yes |
| 07:07.47 | p1ngp0ng | want to see my lsmod |grep nvidia output before i restart x? |
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| 07:08.13 | p1ngp0ng | http://debian.pastebin.com/m57d3de38 |
| 07:08.33 | p1ngp0ng | i am expecting a failure so |
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| 07:08.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | p1ngp0ng, check for errors with dmesg |
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| 07:08.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | or for success |
| 07:08.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | .oO( think positive ) |
| 07:09.08 | p1ngp0ng | [ 906.238937] nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. |
| 07:09.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, it does that |
| 07:09.15 | p1ngp0ng | doesnt sound good |
| 07:09.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, that's normal |
| 07:09.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | they don't wash it off before delivery |
| 07:09.59 | p1ngp0ng | hehe ok |
| 07:10.04 | craigevil | dirty proprietary stuff |
| 07:10.12 | p1ngp0ng | so, this should work then? |
| 07:10.15 | p1ngp0ng | when i reboot x now |
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| 07:11.04 | p1ngp0ng | also http://debian.pastebin.com/m1d95acd4 |
| 07:11.12 | p1ngp0ng | i think that is relevant |
| 07:11.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you using this X right now? |
| 07:11.26 | p1ngp0ng | im using X with the nv driver atm |
| 07:11.41 | jetscreamer | !nvrun |
| 07:11.41 | dpkg | For a quick nvidia-installer how-to, try http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt Please note that #debian does not support the nvidia-installer, ask for assistance in #nvidia , if need be. |
| 07:11.41 | craigevil | you will probably have to edit your xorg.conf |
| 07:12.03 | sladi | http://debian.pastebin.com/m1d95acd4 |
| 07:12.09 | sladi | sorry |
| 07:12.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can do startx -- :1 to test it |
| 07:12.17 | p1ngp0ng | i did that. using nvidia-xconfig |
| 07:12.23 | p1ngp0ng | and i have loaded the module |
| 07:12.31 | p1ngp0ng | im just affraid to reboot x |
| 07:12.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | p1ngp0ng, you can do startx -- :1 to test it |
| 07:12.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, possibly |
| 07:13.03 | p1ngp0ng | what? from x you mean? |
| 07:13.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 07:13.08 | p1ngp0ng | oh |
| 07:13.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | but perhaps only as root, because default Debian policy doesn't allow it to normal users |
| 07:13.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | or edit some file and allow it... |
| 07:13.50 | p1ngp0ng | yes only ass root |
| 07:13.54 | p1ngp0ng | as* |
| 07:13.58 | p1ngp0ng | w/e :P |
| 07:14.01 | p1ngp0ng | well here goes |
| 07:14.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't really remember which file, though - perhaps /etc/allow |
| 07:14.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, normal users *can* do it, they're just not allowed |
| 07:14.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you're the only user, you can probably just as well allow it |
| 07:15.09 | p1ngp0ng | ok here is what happend. |
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| 07:15.40 | p1ngp0ng | i started up the xserver on :1 and it told me i was running it as root DANGER DANGER blah blah, then i clicked ok whatever. and it hanged. |
| 07:15.53 | p1ngp0ng | i then killed it using ctrl alt backspace |
| 07:16.07 | p1ngp0ng | and i got the following error |
| 07:16.27 | p1ngp0ng | (EE) Failed to load module "type1" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 07:16.59 | p1ngp0ng | also (II) Module "ramdac" already built-in |
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| 07:17.32 | p1ngp0ng | big question. what is the module type1? |
| 07:17.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like T1 fonts |
| 07:17.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't matter |
| 07:18.27 | p1ngp0ng | so, i guess i should just restart my x now then. |
| 07:18.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | er |
| 07:18.31 | p1ngp0ng | pooff |
| 07:18.39 | p1ngp0ng | huh? |
| 07:18.50 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 07:18.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you mean "hang" if you can kill it with ctrl alt backspace that means it ran |
| 07:19.00 | jetscreamer | it's really a simple thing to do, nvidia |
| 07:19.03 | p1ngp0ng | yeh |
| 07:19.07 | jetscreamer | just seems like a lot at first |
| 07:19.23 | p1ngp0ng | ok restarting my main :0 x then |
| 07:19.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetscreamer, well... always seems a lot again to me |
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| 07:19.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially if you have to do it a lot |
| 07:19.39 | craigevil | cant tell the idiot in oftc thats been at it all day its simple |
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| 07:19.43 | jetscreamer | keep in mind that unles syou use the debian packages, a xorg or kernel upgrade breaks it and you have to reinstall it |
| 07:20.21 | jetscreamer | it does at first, like i said... i have a script now :) |
| 07:20.25 | craigevil | first he installed lenny could get it to work then he installed etch and still cant get it to work even with several ppl walking him through it step by step |
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| 07:20.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | nono... I had the nvidia installer install it once, because the debian stuff didn't work... and it broke on every reboot |
| 07:21.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | because there's a nice script in debian that breaks it on every boot |
| 07:22.08 | jetscreamer | no |
| 07:22.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 07:22.19 | p1ngp0ng | it works now :) |
| 07:22.26 | jetscreamer | works flawlessly, done correctly |
| 07:22.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | got me :) |
| 07:22.47 | p1ngp0ng | but strangely. it didnt work the first time. but that might be because i didnt do modprobe nvidia before rebooting |
| 07:22.55 | p1ngp0ng | the howto didnt say anything about that |
| 07:23.07 | p1ngp0ng | or, it could have failed due to the m-a --non-inter prepare |
| 07:23.16 | jetscreamer | you don't need to modprob it |
| 07:23.25 | p1ngp0ng | the second time i did m-a prepeare only |
| 07:23.28 | p1ngp0ng | well i did |
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| 07:23.43 | jetscreamer | i have |
| 07:23.54 | jetscreamer | you 'can' |
| 07:24.03 | jetscreamer | the framebuffer sux btw |
| 07:24.06 | quik__ | hey folks |
| 07:24.08 | quik__ | just wondering what tool I can use to query debian for what harddrives are in the machine? |
| 07:24.10 | quik__ | harddrive devices |
| 07:24.18 | jetscreamer | cat /proc/iforget |
| 07:24.35 | jetscreamer | ls it you'll see where |
| 07:24.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a strange file |
| 07:24.42 | jetscreamer | yeh |
| 07:24.48 | jetscreamer | i have it with me often :/ |
| 07:25.07 | p1ngp0ng | :) eve-online should work now :) |
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| 07:25.21 | MadHag | morning |
| 07:25.34 | p1ngp0ng | good morning sir :) |
| 07:25.36 | jetscreamer | <--hurricane victim deperately needs a donation of 2 sticks of 256mb pc-100 so-dimm!!! |
| 07:25.38 | MadHag | :) |
| 07:25.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | "dmesg | grep -i disk" or something similar if the reboot isn't too long ago |
| 07:25.58 | MadHag | locate keeps finding files I have deleted? Is there something I need to update? |
| 07:26.03 | quik__ | no requiring a house, but ram.. |
| 07:26.03 | quik__ | ha |
| 07:26.04 | jetscreamer | oh fdisk -l will give you the partitions |
| 07:26.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | MadHag, updatedb |
| 07:26.14 | jetscreamer | i don't have power either |
| 07:26.15 | MadHag | thanks |
| 07:26.24 | jetscreamer | still |
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| 07:26.54 | jetscreamer | got my fiber optic back up next day |
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| 07:27.11 | jetscreamer | at&t are gods |
| 07:27.20 | jetscreamer | aka swbell |
| 07:28.01 | jetscreamer | note, i camp in comfort |
| 07:28.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, you sound really suffereing |
| 07:28.33 | jetscreamer | generator helps a lot |
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| 07:29.32 | jetscreamer | i have an inverter i can plug in my lighter also, can do the modem and laptop and a (light or a fan) |
| 07:29.57 | jetscreamer | not the coffee pot though :/ |
| 07:29.58 | craigevil | hell as long as the modem and lappy work your good to go |
| 07:30.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | so where are you |
| 07:30.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | and which hurricane is it... |
| 07:30.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | neglected to follow the news |
| 07:30.21 | jetscreamer | have to use the coleman stove and INstANT coffee omg |
| 07:30.32 | jetscreamer | ike/houston |
| 07:30.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | thats barbaric |
| 07:30.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean the instant coffee |
| 07:30.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 07:30.52 | jetscreamer | yah :) |
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| 07:31.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | coffee is barbaric anyways |
| 07:31.14 | craigevil | at least you have a house unlike all the ppl in galveston |
| 07:31.16 | jetscreamer | i drink a lot |
| 07:32.47 | jetscreamer | of coffee |
| 07:33.28 | jetscreamer | i thought about living in galveston once |
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| 07:34.23 | jetscreamer | i wonder how that one compares to the one around >1900 or so |
| 07:34.38 | jetscreamer | heard that one wiped everything |
| 07:35.01 | jetscreamer | course it was all wood probably |
| 07:35.22 | jetscreamer | the bishop had himself a really nice house down there |
| 07:35.34 | jetscreamer | hope it made it ok.. |
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| 07:35.47 | jetscreamer | historical landmark thingy |
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| 07:36.13 | jetscreamer | goes back to roughing it |
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| 07:37.39 | mactimes | Hello everyone. |
| 07:38.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | your way of building.... huts er... "houses" was probably amongst the ones that amazed me most :) |
| 07:38.23 | mactimes | Could someone, please, point me a good free/open antivirus for a Debian file server? |
| 07:38.47 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search antivirus |
| 07:38.59 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 07:39.00 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 07:39.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | now you did do apt-cache search antivirus |
| 07:39.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 07:39.17 | mactimes | jetscreamer: I don't want apt-cache's opinion =) |
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| 07:39.56 | jetscreamer | those would be debian's opinion, since they're available in debian sources |
| 07:40.00 | p1ngp0ng | huh? antivirus? on linux? |
| 07:40.02 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 07:40.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | p1ngp0ng, for samba shares :) |
| 07:40.09 | jetscreamer | scan windows, mail... |
| 07:40.26 | p1ngp0ng | oh hehe ;) |
| 07:40.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh yeah, and mail |
| 07:40.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, we normally only worry about trojans, worms and crackers |
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| 07:40.52 | mactimes | jetscreamer: Following that way of thinking, Debian finds all text editors outstanding, then. |
| 07:41.00 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 07:41.04 | jetscreamer | good point |
| 07:41.11 | mactimes | =) |
| 07:41.15 | jetscreamer | but , those are the ones i know of |
| 07:41.18 | jetscreamer | hth |
| 07:41.55 | mactimes | jetscreamer: Thanks for your interest in helping anyways. |
| 07:42.28 | jetscreamer | some are more used than the others, i've seen ppl in here using them |
| 07:42.32 | jetscreamer | i forget which |
| 07:42.44 | jetscreamer | using, asking about... |
| 07:42.57 | mactimes | jetscreamer: clamav? |
| 07:43.17 | jetscreamer | yeah think that's one |
| 07:43.32 | jetscreamer | i dunno, i don't get em :) |
| 07:43.39 | mactimes | jetscreamer: I think that's just an e-mail scanner. I'm not sure either. |
| 07:43.47 | jetscreamer | i got one once in the 80's i think |
| 07:43.59 | jetscreamer | no... 90's |
| 07:44.38 | jetscreamer | and i got haceked once, in 2000 |
| 07:44.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ugh |
| 07:44.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | the depth of the factoids |
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| 07:44.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | !difference between windows and a virus |
| 07:44.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, difference between windows and a virus is The virus works |
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| 07:45.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-/ |
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| 07:45.13 | SJrX | Ugh I need a Simple SMTP local server and delivery system any recommendations. |
| 07:45.16 | jetscreamer | windows is as good as it's admin |
| 07:45.34 | jetscreamer | but still irritating sometimes |
| 07:45.48 | jetscreamer | mambypamby cruft |
| 07:45.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | and don't ask him about "unix virus", if you value your sense of humor |
| 07:46.13 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: Not my option. Customers use it. Best I could do was migrating server to Debian. :P Still hard to convince them to move from Windows to Debian, mainly when Linux doesn't run the latest version of Corel Draw. :P |
| 07:46.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 07:46.36 | mactimes | ^^ |
| 07:46.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't say anything - was just looking for virus factoids |
| 07:46.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | but there's nothing great |
| 07:46.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !antivirus |
| 07:46.53 | dpkg | i guess antivirus is a class of programs for detecting viruses. There is a free for private/non-commercial use antivirus under http://www.antivir.de/order/privreg/order_e.htm |
| 07:46.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 07:47.02 | mactimes | I like inkscape... But it doesn't work with CDR files or siupport multiple pages per doc. |
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| 07:48.23 | jetscreamer | what really disgusts me is firefox3 |
| 07:48.44 | jetscreamer | !find antivirus |
| 07:48.46 | SJrX | whats wrong with firefox3? |
| 07:49.00 | jetscreamer | it looks like ie7 |
| 07:49.25 | mactimes | I like it so far. For me it looks like NS7 (well, that's the theme I picked up) :P |
| 07:49.26 | jetscreamer | and the way the autocomplete 'just changed' |
| 07:49.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'antivirus' (4 of 6): (/etc/kde3/kmail.antivirusrc) in mail/kmail ;; (/usr/share/spamassassin/25_antivirus.cf) in mail/spamassassin ;; (/usr/share/icons/mono/scalable/apps/antivirus.svgz) in kde/kde-icons-mono ;; (/usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/scalable/apps/antivirus.svgz) in kde/kdebase-data. |
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| 07:49.49 | jetscreamer | i didn't try it any further i just went back to 2.whatever |
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| 07:49.56 | jetscreamer | spamassasin |
| 07:49.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | what disgusts me is that https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358764 |
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| 07:51.06 | MadHag | I have chrome for linux if anyone wants it |
| 07:51.35 | MadHag | just kidding lol |
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| 07:52.11 | jetscreamer | waves@simonrvn |
| 07:52.27 | MadHag | just did ethnic cleansing on clamav, every file gone from my system |
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| 07:53.55 | jetscreamer | <--hurricane victim deperately needs a donation of 2 sticks of 256mb pc-100 so-dimm!!! currently using a P3-700 w/128 :( |
| 07:54.00 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 07:54.36 | jetscreamer | actually think ill see if i can find some |
| 07:54.42 | jetscreamer | online |
| 07:54.48 | Blast_Hardcheese | Would anyone be so kind as to suggest a tray applet that displays graphs of Disk IO, CPU activity, and Network activity? |
| 07:55.18 | jetscreamer | gkrellem ? |
| 07:55.27 | jetscreamer | or that's not really a tray is it |
| 07:55.34 | jetscreamer | no it's dockable |
| 07:55.39 | jetscreamer | !gkrellem |
| 07:55.46 | jetscreamer | maybe i misspelled it |
| 07:55.58 | hoxu | !enter |
| 07:55.58 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 07:56.00 | jetscreamer | !sensors |
| 07:56.00 | dpkg | well, lm_sensors is a hardware health monitoring package that performs CPU temperature, fan speed monitoring, etc. It is packaged in the lm-sensors package. #linux-sensors @ irc.freenode.net |
| 07:56.19 | jetscreamer | there ya go, ask there |
| 07:56.33 | Blast_Hardcheese | Hmm. |
| 07:56.40 | jetscreamer | yeah i'm hogging the bandwidth hoxu, i better stfu... (poetry even) |
| 07:56.43 | Blast_Hardcheese | That also does network activity? |
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| 07:57.12 | jetscreamer | the krellem thing , apt-cache search |
| 07:57.16 | hoxu | Blast_Hardcheese, try out gkrellm at least. It's the most detailed dockable app you can find probably |
| 07:57.27 | Blast_Hardcheese | hoxu: Yeah, I've used it |
| 07:57.36 | Blast_Hardcheese | It's nice, I'd just like that screen real estate back |
| 07:57.43 | Blast_Hardcheese | which is why I'm looking for something that lives in the panel |
| 07:58.08 | jetscreamer | i seem to remember it in my taskbar, but that was like sarge or something |
| 07:58.35 | hoxu | Blast_Hardcheese, you could put it in a sidebar that hides automatically |
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| 07:58.57 | icedtea` | ewww Blast Hardcheese |
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| 07:59.05 | Blast_Hardcheese | Put it _in_ a sidebar? |
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| 07:59.59 | jetscreamer | aka taskbar i think |
| 08:00.20 | jetscreamer | i hate autohide taskbars though |
| 08:00.28 | jetscreamer | goes away |
| 08:00.31 | hoxu | what your window list is in is usually called taskbar I think |
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| 08:00.55 | hoxu | Blast_Hardcheese, sidebar, slit... depends on your window manager / desktop environment what it is called and whether there is such thing |
| 08:01.29 | Blast_Hardcheese | Right, but last I used gkrellem it was its own window |
| 08:01.43 | Blast_Hardcheese | I was not aware you could embed it _in_ something |
| 08:01.57 | hoxu | Blast_Hardcheese, that's because you didn't read the man 1 gkrellm which mentiones -w ;) |
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| 08:02.10 | Blast_Hardcheese | Ah, yes, that would be the reason |
| 08:02.35 | MadHag | if I install a window manager, can I login remotely on my server? I am bored. |
| 08:03.15 | hoxu | MadHag, uh-huh, please elaborate |
| 08:03.47 | MadHag | my server, install gnome or something and login from my desktop :) |
| 08:04.03 | MadHag | take a screenshot or something |
| 08:04.40 | hoxu | MadHag, you don't need a window manager to run X applications on a server. You can just install the libraries and use ssh -X |
| 08:04.45 | MadHag | like pcanywhere |
| 08:04.57 | MadHag | ah thats new |
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| 08:06.09 | war9407 | I use debmirror and when I run apt-get update/dist-upgrade on clients locally they are not showing the hundreds of pkgs up to date even though debmirror says they are,, hmm |
| 08:06.51 | MadHag | hoxu, is there a howto? |
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| 08:07.48 | hoxu | !tell MadHag about ssh x11 forwarding |
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| 08:12.18 | MadHag | hoxu, what client, I am in vista at the moment |
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| 08:12.35 | hoxu | MadHag, does this look like #vista to you? |
| 08:12.41 | MadHag | :) |
| 08:12.44 | hoxu | !not supporting vista |
| 08:12.44 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support vista too. Try #vista or donating money to charity. |
| 08:13.07 | MadHag | installed ok on my Debian server though |
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| 08:13.33 | MadHag | so I cant use putty etc |
| 08:13.41 | hoxu | MadHag, X forwarding is certainly possible on windows, but not within the scope of this channel, try ##windows |
| 08:13.51 | eramo | hi.. where do i need to put a script to get it executed when xorg starts? |
| 08:14.01 | MadHag | I will just boot to etch, no problem |
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| 08:14.17 | hoxu | eramo, you mean when you log in to your desktop environment? |
| 08:14.35 | eramo | hoxu, yes |
| 08:14.58 | hoxu | eramo, kde or gnome? |
| 08:15.08 | eramo | hoxu: gnome |
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| 08:16.28 | hoxu | no clue about gnome, someone else knows probably |
| 08:17.26 | eramo | hoxu, thank you.. it should be in /etc/X11/$SOMETHING.. on my previous fedora box it was there.. |
| 08:18.02 | icedtea` | anyway to get debian-testing to just use firefox and not iceweasel? |
| 08:18.20 | hoxu | eramo, oh, that's different... I was thinking of user-specific X login scripts |
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| 08:18.40 | hoxu | icedtea`, why would you want that? |
| 08:19.41 | icedtea` | hoxu: I like the way firefox looks better, and its not identifying itself as firefox which makes it a pain to use some sites |
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| 08:19.51 | eramo | because free software is all about choice! :-) |
| 08:20.07 | hanibana | what's the exact version of Debian sarge 3.1 r2 kernel? |
| 08:20.40 | icedtea` | eramo: in Soviet Russua, the software chooses you :) |
| 08:20.57 | icedtea` | Russia |
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| 08:21.13 | sonictwin | is there a way to disable password login at boot? |
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| 08:21.27 | sonictwin | load right into fluxbox skipping gdm? |
| 08:21.46 | sonictwin | or is that insecure? |
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| 08:21.59 | p1ngp0ng | you can autologin |
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| 08:22.27 | p1ngp0ng | if typing the password each time is bothering you |
| 08:22.59 | sonictwin | okay im looking it up, do i configure that through gdm? |
| 08:23.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | what, insecure... giving everyone access... what an idea, that being insecure |
| 08:23.25 | p1ngp0ng | sonictwin: yes |
| 08:23.33 | hanibana | any idea ... what's the exact version of Debian sarge 3.1 r2 kernel? |
| 08:23.36 | sonictwin | well, i am the only one using this box |
| 08:23.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | you and the janitor |
| 08:23.55 | hoxu | !tell icedtea` about iceweasel user-agent override |
| 08:23.59 | sonictwin | lolol |
| 08:24.00 | p1ngp0ng | lol CutMeOwnThroat |
| 08:26.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | gosh, how many chomwitts are there |
| 08:26.51 | p1ngp0ng | chowmitts? |
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| 08:27.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | chomwitt3 has quit .... chomwitt4 has quit |
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| 08:27.31 | p1ngp0ng | oh |
| 08:28.51 | p1ngp0ng | god i hate my new root password |
| 08:28.56 | p1ngp0ng | its so hard to type :P |
| 08:29.10 | p1ngp0ng | will take some geting used to |
| 08:29.41 | sebbs | hehe |
| 08:29.53 | sebbs | use a fingerprint thingy |
| 08:30.04 | sebbs | but watchout for thumbnappers |
| 08:30.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is it? |
| 08:30.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 08:30.20 | sonictwin | i found it running gdmsetup, thanks |
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| 08:30.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I actually *could* tell you my root password, I guess :) |
| 08:31.03 | p1ngp0ng | i can to. |
| 08:31.05 | p1ngp0ng | but i wont |
| 08:31.17 | p1ngp0ng | as you'd probably try and guess the salts :P |
| 08:31.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 08:31.36 | p1ngp0ng | hehehe |
| 08:32.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean if I told you it wouldn't really do you much good |
| 08:32.05 | p1ngp0ng | it's a very known frace. pioneered by mr disney |
| 08:32.29 | p1ngp0ng | well CutMeOwnThroat that depends |
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| 08:32.33 | p1ngp0ng | what is it? :P |
| 08:32.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | you wouldn't be able to log in with it |
| 08:33.00 | p1ngp0ng | iptables? |
| 08:33.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | then nobody would be able to log in |
| 08:33.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, but the only way to log in is ssh, and root is not allowed to log in via ssh |
| 08:33.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | so *shrug* |
| 08:34.07 | p1ngp0ng | hehe |
| 08:34.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think there was some cracking contest where they published the root password (so someone told me) |
| 08:34.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | it was ImTheRoot or ImZeRoooot or something |
| 08:34.54 | p1ngp0ng | well, if there a ftp server running on the box? |
| 08:35.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | there actually is |
| 08:35.05 | p1ngp0ng | if=is |
| 08:35.11 | p1ngp0ng | well there you go then |
| 08:35.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Name (localhost:k): root |
| 08:35.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | 530 This FTP server is anonymous only. |
| 08:35.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ftp: Login failed. |
| 08:35.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | so sorry |
| 08:35.59 | p1ngp0ng | hmm |
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| 08:37.25 | p1ngp0ng | mysql? |
| 08:37.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | mysql doesn't use any user passwords |
| 08:38.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | you'd need to exploit some bug... |
| 08:38.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, mysql is probably only connected to localhost |
| 08:40.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | which you might be able to do, so I'm not giving away my root password :) |
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| 08:41.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I fondly remember reading bugtraq around 2000... specially the posts of some ... juri or yuri something about IRIX |
| 08:41.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | kinda burnt into my memory |
| 08:42.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | he had a whole series of exploits posted - directly to bugtraq, because in his experience SGI wouldn't react anyways |
| 08:42.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | "oh yes, SGI fixed this bug and now it's much more difficult as before... not as difficult as stealing candy from a newborn, but as difficult as stealing the chewing gum out of a teenagers (broken) locker" |
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| 08:43.44 | crashanddie | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm sorry, but what are you on about? |
| 08:43.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | nuffin |
| 08:44.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | was just washed away by nostalgia, don't mind me |
| 08:44.38 | crashanddie | well actually I do |
| 08:44.52 | crashanddie | #flood if you need to talk about stuff |
| 08:45.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 08:45.30 | MadHag | hoxu, I have it working, the x11 forwarding, man its slow |
| 08:45.47 | MadHag | cool though |
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| 08:46.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | interesting that this would be the first thing you say in the last 6 hours, though |
| 08:46.56 | MadHag | :) |
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| 08:47.25 | sunru | hi |
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| 08:48.00 | MadHag | whats the command to start a file manager in etch? |
| 08:48.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean, seems weird, just sitting there for hours (days?) waiting to take offense |
| 08:48.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | MadHag, e.g. mc |
| 08:48.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess |
| 08:48.32 | MadHag | ? |
| 08:48.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | midnight commander |
| 08:48.48 | MadHag | whats default, nautilus |
| 08:48.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea |
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| 08:49.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | never use those things |
| 08:49.12 | MadHag | yawn :) |
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| 08:49.31 | MadHag | nice nic |
| 08:50.01 | MadHag | http://www.cs.caltech.edu/courses/cs11/misc/xwindows.html |
| 08:50.08 | MadHag | thought I would share that |
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| 08:53.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | what a pissy person... probably all he'll have said for the next 6 hours also |
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| 09:04.50 | mafu | Hello there. :) I have a RAID1-setup on Debian (with mdadm) that I need to move to another computer. I have been googling and reading manpages, but cannot seem to find out how to put the RAID together again on the new machine. Do I "assemble" or "build" it? (those are options for mdadm). Any advice would be greatly appreciated. :) |
| 09:06.08 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: i suggest an /ignore for that person (i thought i did, heh) |
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| 09:06.46 | simonrvn | (re)assemble it iirc; though been a while since i've done such a thing |
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| 09:09.19 | mafu | simonrvn: I don't suppose you have some guide or anything for it somewhere? I would be an unhappy user if my data were to go missing, and I am unable to backup all the data on the RAID. :) |
| 09:09.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a bit weird to hear it from a person who has produced more login/logout messages than for the public useful sentences... |
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| 09:10.01 | simonrvn | mafu: the howto on tldp.org (the newer one, if there's 2 of them present there) |
| 09:10.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he's french... enough said |
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| 09:11.14 | mafu | simonrvn: thanks, I'll check it out. :) |
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| 09:11.58 | simonrvn | his ethnicity hardly has anything to do with with him acting that way |
| 09:12.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | mafu, wont it "just work" if you move all disks of the raid? |
| 09:12.32 | simonrvn | thought it would too |
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| 09:13.21 | mafu | CutMeOwnThroat: perhaps. I just don't know how to tell the new system that it's a RAID. And I can't just create it from scratch again, I would lose all the data. (I did it following this: http://dev.markuspetersen.dk/wiki/howto:create_a_raid1_setup_with_non-system_disks , by the way) |
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| 09:13.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | mafu, I don't see why it should matter what graphics card or processor or whatnot you have for a software-raid |
| 09:13.32 | udo1985 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.38 | simonrvn | mdadm would see that |
| 09:13.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | mafu, are you moving the disks or copying them? |
| 09:13.56 | simonrvn | of course it doesn't |
| 09:14.06 | mafu | CutMeOwnThroat: I am moving the physical disks. |
| 09:14.32 | mafu | I am aware it doesn't matter how the system is physically set up. :) |
| 09:14.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | mafu, then I don't see why you would need to do anything |
| 09:15.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | just make sure you have a kernel installed that runs with the new CPU |
| 09:15.25 | simonrvn | if you don't change the order, disks, or whatever, mdadm should be able to set it up and start the sync |
| 09:15.37 | mafu | Well, the new system doesn't know anything about it being a RAID, just two physical disks. mdadm needs information on how to handle these. It's just a config issue. |
| 09:15.40 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 09:15.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | it doesn't even need to sync if he moves both disks |
| 09:15.55 | mafu | Exactly. But _how_ do I set it up? |
| 09:16.01 | mafu | I need the mdadm options etc. |
| 09:16.17 | simonrvn | on boot. you don't do fuck all |
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| 09:16.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | mafu, there is nothing to set up - you only have to put the disks on the same devices as before |
| 09:17.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | mafu, and the system *does* know it's a RAID - the information is on the harddisk(s) |
| 09:17.37 | mafu | I think you misunderstand me. This is very basic info I need, I don't know much about RAID. I used mdadm âcreate âverbose /dev/md0 âlevel=1 âraid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 to create the RAID, but running this on the new system would erase the data. |
| 09:17.43 | mafu | Ooh. |
| 09:17.51 | mafu | CutMeOwnThroat: I didn't know that |
| 09:17.56 | simonrvn | exactly. it's at the front of the disk |
| 09:18.01 | simonrvn | man mdadm dude |
| 09:18.15 | mafu | I've tried reading it.. :P |
| 09:18.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | mafu, uh - how did you think it works? magic? |
| 09:18.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | where should the information be? |
| 09:18.36 | mafu | The config file /etc/mdadm/mdadm.cfg has something.. |
| 09:18.53 | simonrvn | the cfg is only a part of it |
| 09:18.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | look |
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| 09:19.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | look at it like that... you're not moving disks from one computer to another, you're putting a new computer-shell around your system |
| 09:19.37 | simonrvn | yes |
| 09:19.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | so the system stays the same - it just wonders a little at bootup where all this new hardware comes from |
| 09:20.12 | simonrvn | if that. udev would, but the kernel, if it supports the new h/w, won't care |
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| 09:20.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was just personifizing (er...) the kernel :) |
| 09:21.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, but I shouldn't talk, that offends crashanddie |
| 09:21.08 | simonrvn | got that =), hehe |
| 09:21.09 | mafu | Oh, I get why we don't understand each other. :) These are non-system disks, so the Debian system itself doesn't get moved -- only these disks with other data. They are moved from one independent system to another (actually, a desktop Ubuntu box) |
| 09:21.25 | simonrvn | and? |
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| 09:21.38 | crashanddie | CutMeOwnThroat, it's fine as long as you're helping |
| 09:21.45 | crashanddie | CutMeOwnThroat, it's not when you're reminiscing |
| 09:21.47 | simonrvn | why would them being system or not matter? |
| 09:21.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, now he's playing mr gracious |
| 09:22.33 | mafu | simonrvn: and so the config file etc. is non-existent on the new system, so I need to recreate that (or could I just copy the config file? I don't know if the UUID etc. stays the same) |
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| 09:22.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | crashanddie, I'm sure you would prefer if I helepd in #flood, though |
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| 09:23.12 | crashanddie | CutMeOwnThroat, not at all |
| 09:23.30 | simonrvn | mafu: the uuids would stay the same. read up on what uuids are |
| 09:23.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | mafu, hm... interesting, never thought about that |
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| 09:24.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | you just assemble them, I would say |
| 09:24.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | and copying the config file is probably not a bad idea |
| 09:24.26 | simonrvn | i would |
| 09:24.58 | icedtea | anyone here know how to get metacity to start after gdm loads my login? its in the sessions preferences, I don't get it |
| 09:25.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, you would or it would? |
| 09:25.26 | simonrvn | me, 'you' |
| 09:26.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | arg, 4:30 |
| 09:26.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | hrm |
| 09:26.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | "bedtime" |
| 09:26.39 | simonrvn | icedtea: start a term, run metacity & then open sessions, then click on save session button |
| 09:26.45 | simonrvn | nini CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 09:26.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | toodleoo :) |
| 09:27.04 | mafu | CutMeOwnThroat: so "mdadm --assemble --verbose /dev/md0 --uuid=ID" is the way to go? |
| 09:27.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would think so |
| 09:27.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | --assemble Assemble a pre-existing array |
| 09:28.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like the very one |
| 09:28.14 | simonrvn | ah ok. so yeh, looks good |
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| 09:29.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it complains, you can still try what havock build wrecks :) |
| 09:29.16 | mafu | Good. I just didn't know about the difference of "building" and "assembling" (because of the per-device superblocks, which I now know are existing -- thanks to you ;) ) |
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| 09:29.54 | mafu | I'll just stay in this channel while I try it. afk :) |
| 09:30.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | finds that also confusing |
| 09:30.13 | Juozapas | how to start xfce4 at startup ? but in user mode (no root) |
| 09:30.46 | simonrvn | mafu: that howto talks of those things. the softraid superblocks, location, etc etc etc. i suggest you read it. |
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| 09:31.13 | icedtea | simonrvn: ok, I'll try that, but metacity is in the startup programs I dont get it |
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| 09:32.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | good thing is, with raid1 if you mess up, you get a 2nd try |
| 09:32.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | is really gone now. |
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| 09:44.45 | seed__ | hi, I don't have text in flash application is there a font package I should install please? |
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| 09:49.01 | mafu | simonrvn: it's good reading. :) |
| 09:49.16 | simonrvn | it is isn't it |
| 09:51.17 | sebbs | anyone who knows if there is a app that outputs nice/pretty hardware info in the repo?, i want to get HW info from some servers and post on a wiki. |
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| 09:52.24 | seed__ | sebbs: try conky |
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| 09:57.41 | sebbs | ah clever seed__ |
| 09:57.58 | sebbs | :) thanks i would have not thought about using conky |
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| 10:03.06 | OxaD | -Ox4D |
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| 10:13.15 | w_erase | Hi .... My Canon IXUS was detected as USB STORAGE. Now it's detected as PTP , and I can't mount anymore my system ... How can I get usb-storage working ? thx |
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| 10:14.03 | cahoot | Ithought all canon cameras was ptp only |
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| 10:14.40 | wols | cahoot: my a400 here is defintely mass storage |
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| 10:14.56 | Eulex | w_erase, may be a setting in it? |
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| 10:15.42 | Eulex | my cybershot is able to switch between usb storage and some proprietary protocol, if you go into the settings of it |
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| 10:17.18 | sebbs | seed__: that did not work out, i could not output the conky information as text |
| 10:19.12 | cahoot | wols: I see - all 4 different canons I've used have benne ptp only |
| 10:19.22 | cahoot | meh |
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| 10:29.05 | The_Dr | Hi, is bootsplash built into the debian kernel or do I have to manually aptch it? |
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| 10:33.07 | The_Dr | Hi, is bootsplash built into the debian kernel or do I have to manually aptch it? |
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| 10:42.57 | phorce1 | well, I figured out what's making my mouse wheel quit working in Xorg. Except I don't know why. It didn't used to have this problem. the wheel quit's working when I switch the KVM to another computer and back. using "rmmod psmouse ; modprobe psmouse" when I return to this Lenny machine fixes it. |
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| 10:44.28 | phorce1 | I wonder if there's some sort of sensitvity setting in the module I can tweak? Going to poke around a bit. |
| 10:45.07 | _Mojo_ | greetings to all |
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| 10:46.15 | BierSchaum | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/2199735/ |
| 10:46.28 | _Mojo_ | i'm still running 3.1 as a firewall/ftp/ssh/mail server in our company and lots of our users still depend on it. |
| 10:47.14 | _Mojo_ | however as 3.1 had become unsupported a few months ago I decided to upgrade to etch. |
| 10:47.52 | _Mojo_ | i had never done debian upgrade before and i'm still concerned about a safety of upgrade operation |
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| 10:49.00 | _Mojo_ | i have read all the debian faqs on upgrading but beeing a bit carefull |
| 10:49.48 | _Mojo_ | is it 100% safe to upgrade from 3.1 > 4 without any complications ? |
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| 10:50.20 | phorce1 | _Mojo_: ghost the whole system to a new drive before attempting any upgrade on a live server. Then you can just swap the original back in if something goes wonky |
| 10:50.26 | _Mojo_ | what about configs of running services ? should I merge configs manually ? |
| 10:51.39 | phorce1 | Even better if you have another box with the same hardware and do the upgrade on that while the old server stays in place. then when you've tested the upgrade just switch IP addresses and go. |
| 10:52.04 | _Mojo_ | phorce1: ok, thank you. what about config files of upgraded services ? manually or any mergemaster or sth similar ? |
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| 10:52.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | theres no such thing as "100% safe" |
| 10:52.47 | phorce1 | _Mojo_: Been too long since I did a full upgrade to give specifics. I usually do a clean install on a new box then migrate services by hand. |
| 10:53.45 | phorce1 | mail is the biggest pain in the rear |
| 10:54.33 | phorce1 | (and probably a good excuse to upgrate rather than build and migrate) |
| 10:54.45 | _Mojo_ | phorce1: why do you prefer to do a clean install instead of upgrade ? |
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| 10:55.56 | phorce1 | _Mojo_: I get to play with all the services as I get them running and make sure they work as planned before going live. |
| 10:56.36 | phorce1 | _Mojo_: And a dist-upgrade gets REALLY ugly when there are a lot of packages installed. |
| 10:56.51 | jelly-home | ... you can clone the system and test the upgrade |
| 10:57.53 | _Mojo_ | phorce1: yes, my server is pretty loaded with a bunch of packages |
| 10:58.50 | _Mojo_ | i'll try to clone and then upgrade. is there any default debian utility to merge config files ? |
| 10:59.36 | phorce1 | _Mojo_, jelly-home : a clean install is also a good way to dump stuff that is installed but no longer used on a years-old server. |
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| 11:00.54 | jelly-home | phorce1: otoh, Debian has decent upgrade paths. |
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| 11:02.15 | _Mojo_ | thank you guys for your tips |
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| 11:02.33 | BierSchaum | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/2199735/ |
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| 11:05.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: BierSchaum!n=BierScha@p57BB644F.dip.t-dialin.net was spamming again (last time was ~15min ago) |
| 11:07.11 | arezey | ~15 min? |
| 11:07.18 | arezey | looks more like 5 minutes to me. |
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| 11:13.28 | XTF | Hi. Where can I find more info about the Lenny roadmap (expected rc/final release dates)? |
| 11:13.50 | abrotman | there isn't one |
| 11:14.00 | abrotman | !tell XTF about wwlr |
| 11:14.10 | eddieBB_ | i use a perl script to take thumbnail snapshots. there are always to videos in each folder. is there a way i can make it take snapshots of both videos instead of doing it separately? |
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| 11:14.47 | joaop | why nvu is not in debian.. ? |
| 11:15.00 | eddieBB_ | two* |
| 11:15.30 | abrotman | joaop: IIRC .. it's dead upstream |
| 11:16.36 | joaop | there is something to substitute it? |
| 11:17.27 | XTF | abrotman: Thanks. I read most of that already, I thought the installer RC would've been there already. |
| 11:17.48 | abrotman | XTF: they announced an RC1 earlier this week |
| 11:18.27 | joaop | nvu RC1 ? |
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| 11:18.37 | abrotman | joaop: no .. |
| 11:18.46 | abrotman | joaop: use the iceape composer |
| 11:19.29 | streuner__ | joaop: do what abrotman told you, iceape composer is just fine... |
| 11:20.34 | joaop | tks i will try |
| 11:21.38 | eddieBB_ | i use a perl script to take thumbnail snapshots. there are always two videos in each folder. is there a way i can have it take snapshots of both videos instead of doing it separately? |
| 11:24.06 | Eulex | eddieBB_, create a script that loops through them? |
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| 11:24.38 | eddieBB_ | Eulex: no, a script that does one, then the other. without me having to do one at a time |
| 11:24.51 | XTF | abrotman: Where can I find that announcement |
| 11:24.53 | XTF | ? |
| 11:24.58 | Eulex | eddieBB_, do the filenames follow some kind of pattern? |
| 11:25.08 | abrotman | XTF: debian-devel-announce mailing list |
| 11:25.15 | XTF | At http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ I see only beta 2 of June |
| 11:25.19 | XTF | Got a link? |
| 11:25.23 | eddieBB_ | Eulex: yes. one always ends in a.avi and the other in b.avi |
| 11:25.26 | abrotman | lists.debian.org |
| 11:25.45 | abrotman | XTF: then use a daily |
| 11:26.05 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00005.html |
| 11:26.05 | XTF | Don't see it at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/ |
| 11:26.09 | Eulex | eddieBB_, check this out: echo `basename 123a.avi a.avi`b.avi |
| 11:26.15 | abrotman | XTF: ah .. RC1 is still being prepared .. but is nearing |
| 11:26.59 | eddieBB_ | Eulex: i'm new to linux. i'm not too sure what to do with that? |
| 11:27.01 | jelly-home | hmm, wiki.d.o is down? |
| 11:27.04 | XTF | Ah, well, thanks, I'm going to give it a try. |
| 11:27.12 | Eulex | eddieBB_, paste it in a terminal. |
| 11:27.21 | eddieBB_ | Eulex: duh. sorry |
| 11:27.22 | AvK | hi everybody |
| 11:27.29 | abrotman | jelly-home: no |
| 11:27.37 | AvK | i have problem |
| 11:27.50 | jelly-home | abrotman: I got a couple connrefuseds, works now |
| 11:27.52 | AvK | i do not have permission to edit in my admin site |
| 11:28.17 | Eulex | eddieBB_, basically, it removes the a.avi and appends b.avi. with this you can create a small bash script that first processes the one ending in a.avi, and then the one ending in b.avi. |
| 11:28.20 | abrotman | wtf is an "admin site" |
| 11:28.39 | AvK | i have just message like this: nie masz uprawnieÅ do edytowania cokolwiek, what mean you do have permission to edit anything :( |
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| 11:29.05 | AvK | can you help me in this way ? |
| 11:29.43 | torrr | can anyone make dpkg tell me about .deb rebuild? |
| 11:30.07 | eddieBB_ | Eulex: when i paste in terminal, nothing happens |
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| 11:30.18 | Eulex | eddieBB_, did you press enter to execute it? |
| 11:30.25 | eddieBB_ | Eulex: yes |
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| 11:30.38 | Eulex | eddieBB_, it should output 123b.avi. |
| 11:31.19 | eddieBB_ | Eulex: no, the filenames are the same |
| 11:31.32 | herzenstern | Hi... wenn i use the totem player the movies are like salling really bad, what can i do to solve this ? |
| 11:31.45 | herzenstern | is i the grafic driver ?? |
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| 11:36.26 | XTF | Where should I report issues with http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny? |
| 11:37.07 | eddieBB_ | Eulex: when i paste this in terminal, it only makes screenshots for the first file and not the seconds. http://pastebin.ca/1206528 |
| 11:37.43 | abrotman | XTF: what kind of issues? |
| 11:37.59 | XTF | It says MySQL 5.1 is included, but that's only in experimental. |
| 11:38.04 | XTF | Lenny ships with 5.0 only AFAIK. |
| 11:38.08 | Eulex | eddieBB_, no idea |
| 11:38.09 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 11:38.16 | XTF | No? |
| 11:38.21 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 11:38.31 | XTF | http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mysql-dfsg-5.1.html |
| 11:38.42 | eddieBB_ | Eulex: is there a way to execute a perl script twice at once? |
| 11:38.52 | abrotman | grr .. i thought it was 5.1 |
| 11:38.56 | abrotman | screw it .. use pgsql like you should |
| 11:39.10 | Eulex | eddieBB_, create a script that runs the perl script twice. |
| 11:39.16 | abrotman | and that's a wiki .. you can change it |
| 11:39.22 | XTF | Hehe, that's not an option, unfortunately. |
| 11:39.27 | eddieBB_ | Eulex: i see. thanks for the help |
| 11:40.03 | XTF | abrotman: I guess I could, but I won't. I don't have an account yet either. |
| 11:40.24 | abrotman | XTF: oh well .. wiki is what it is .. but it's hardly a bug |
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| 11:41.42 | XTF | True |
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| 11:49.03 | usr13 | Trying to boot etch netinstall and it says, "vesamenu.c32 attempt DOS system call" |
| 11:49.28 | usr13 | I verified the image via md5sum. |
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| 11:49.54 | usr13 | It says "vesamenu.c32 attempt DOS system call |
| 11:50.16 | usr13 | at the boot: prompt but will not boot. |
| 11:50.38 | trifler_ | anyone know of a (my)sql query analyzer that isn't the one line kind |
| 11:50.56 | usr13 | Or I don't know how to get it to boot... Any clues? |
| 11:51.06 | abrotman | trifler_: i'm sure mysql has one in it .. ask #mysql |
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| 11:52.38 | pred2k5 | hi, when I disable ip forwarding in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forwarding am I still be able to forward via iptables? |
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| 11:58.26 | usr13 | Did a google search and it appears to be problem with KVM |
| 11:58.46 | usr13 | I guess I need to eleminate the KVM and try agn. |
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| 12:03.42 | Decepticon | can i use checkinstall to upgrade a package from apt-get repository to source version # |
| 12:04.11 | Decepticon | *a higher source version number |
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| 12:06.54 | abrotman | Decepticon: which versino of debian and which software? |
| 12:07.15 | Decepticon | or do i ahve to uninstall package from apt-get , and then do checkinstall for the source version as a seperate install |
| 12:08.07 | Decepticon | its debian etch, munin |
| 12:08.14 | Decepticon | i have munin 1.2.5-1 |
| 12:08.24 | Decepticon | i want to upgrade to the source version of 1.2.6 |
| 12:08.48 | abrotman | !tell Decepticon about ssb |
| 12:08.49 | Decepticon | and do it seamlessly without deleting stuff or affecting my functional set up |
| 12:09.27 | Decepticon | abrotman why do i have to do all this, why is checkinstall not advisable? |
| 12:09.38 | abrotman | you can .. but it's messier |
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| 12:10.28 | Decepticon | how so? |
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| 12:11.11 | jelly-home | Decepticon: checkinstall doesn't track dependencies, and cares not about messing up your configuration files |
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| 12:12.46 | noborusa | it is very strange that after 20 days uptime ,my debian server becomes unstable |
| 12:12.55 | noborusa | it goes nuts :( |
| 12:13.06 | Decepticon | what does it mean step 1): "See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. " |
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| 12:13.25 | noborusa | access to the server becomes 'stuck' ,reload apache and mysql ,no help |
| 12:13.44 | noborusa | the entire server becomes unstable its even freezeing or so. |
| 12:13.55 | x1938- | :/ |
| 12:14.00 | noborusa | all of those are solved after a reboot, anyone has any suggestions ? |
| 12:14.16 | noborusa | i have been watching this for months,it happens in every month |
| 12:14.50 | noborusa | Decepticon, it means, you msg to dpkg about the keyword backports |
| 12:14.55 | torrr | is there a way to delete without following soft links? (rm -fR directory) |
| 12:15.00 | Decepticon | noborusa not that |
| 12:15.06 | Decepticon | noborusa i am talking about step 1) |
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| 12:19.25 | ^shark_ | what is the default mail notification tool in etch? |
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| 12:20.15 | abrotman | ^shark_: where? |
| 12:20.54 | ^shark_ | abrotman: I don't understand your question |
| 12:21.17 | abrotman | in CLI? Gnome? KDE? X? space? underwater? on the clock tower? |
| 12:22.21 | ^shark_ | abrotman: I need to know for both the X and CLI |
| 12:23.08 | abrotman | some email clients have their own .. or you can look for osmething like biff .. apt-cache search biff |
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| 12:24.18 | ^shark_ | abrotman: I have known about biff ,xbiff that triggers the comsat service but I am not sure which one is shipped with etch |
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| 12:29.33 | mac123 | hello i have server runing debian etch i am not able to login in root using putty it gives time out, VNC and ftp work fine only SSH doesnt work even SFTP doesnt work i am only able to login when i reboot the server SSH works after that |
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| 12:31.42 | ^shark_ | mac123: apt-get remove --purge ssh; apt-get install ssh |
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| 12:33.17 | mac123 | i cant get to root :( i tried to reboot thru VNC using su but even its not wrking |
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| 12:35.12 | ^shark_ | mac123: find away to login either locally or remotely not as root and then use sudo to run those commands |
| 12:36.02 | abrotman | mac123: can you login as a regular user ? |
| 12:36.27 | mac123 | SFTP doesnt work VNC and FTP works |
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| 12:37.18 | mac123 | in xterm i did su and put the pass its taking to long to authenticate it |
| 12:38.09 | abrotman | as a regular user? |
| 12:38.54 | mac123 | no cant get in as a regular user |
| 12:39.04 | gregoirec | I have a python app that sends syslog messages to the hosting facility. I can see the messages in /var/log/syslog. I added the line "hosting.* /var/log/hosting.log" to /etc/syslog.conf, created the hosting.log file and restarted syslog but I can't see anything in hosting.log. What's wrong? |
| 12:39.11 | enouf | ^shark_: exim4? |
| 12:39.46 | mac123 | putty just shows black screen no login promt |
| 12:40.30 | abrotman | sounds like an rdns problem |
| 12:40.35 | abrotman | gregoirec: you restarted syslog ? |
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| 12:40.49 | gregoirec | yep, I did invoke-rc.d syslogd restart |
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| 12:41.29 | gregoirec | no error messages in /var/log/syslog and I can see the restart message from syslog |
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| 12:42.54 | abrotman | but the python app can send messages to other items configured in the syslog ? |
| 12:43.40 | gregoirec | abrotman: I don't think there is any issue with the python app because it's appearing properly in /var/log/syslog |
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| 12:44.35 | abrotman | gregoirec: does the log file have the correct perms ? |
| 12:44.54 | gregoirec | abrotman: for example "Sep 20 10:54:35 serveur hosting: xxxxxxx" in /var/log/syslog |
| 12:45.04 | abrotman | it's a french host! |
| 12:45.37 | gregoirec | I used the same permissions as /var/log/syslog, root.adm and 640 |
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| 12:45.41 | newbie | CIAO |
| 12:45.46 | newbie | !LIST |
| 12:45.46 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to newbie |
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| 12:45.53 | gregoirec | abrotman: yeah, french server ;) |
| 12:46.18 | simonrvn | what a newbie |
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| 12:48.40 | Benzi | hi, I have a question |
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| 12:48.49 | abrotman | gregoirec: the perms on the file ? |
| 12:49.08 | Benzi | I'm going to go away for the day, and I want to make sure that my X display does not go into screensaver mode or sleep mode |
| 12:49.10 | simonrvn | i have an answer |
| 12:49.12 | Benzi | how do I do this? |
| 12:49.25 | abrotman | jeez .. why not? |
| 12:49.46 | Benzi | because I have a task running, and when X sleeps, the task pauses |
| 12:49.58 | Benzi | I left my computer on overnight and barely anything got done for that reason |
| 12:50.03 | gregoirec | abrotman: -rw-r----- 1 root adm 0 sep 20 14:47 /var/log/hosting.log |
| 12:50.15 | gregoirec | abrotman: same as /var/log/syslog ! |
| 12:50.22 | Benzi | so how do I prevent it from sleeping |
| 12:50.23 | abrotman | just making sure |
| 12:51.50 | gregoirec | abrotman: actually i'm using sysklog and not syslog, but i guess it uses /etc/syslog.conf too ... |
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| 12:52.19 | gregoirec | i can't find any other conf file |
| 12:52.54 | Benzi | alternatively |
| 12:52.57 | Benzi | I'm running cdparanoia |
| 12:53.02 | Benzi | and I'm trying to read a damaged disc |
| 12:53.20 | Benzi | how do I make it keep going |
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| 13:05.41 | retroj | hello. how can I see the original debian version of a modified config file in /etc? |
| 13:06.00 | dudeman | I broke my box! |
| 13:06.04 | dudeman | but then I fixed it. |
| 13:07.03 | dudeman | retroj, unless you backup the original it is gone. You can however backup your modified config, and restore the original from the package. query the bot /msg dpkg confmiss. Then you can diff the two files or whatever. |
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| 13:07.43 | Eulex | is cc-by-sa 3.0 dfsg-compatible? |
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| 13:08.02 | dudeman | Eulex, link to the license? |
| 13:08.02 | et | you broke you a box but i fixed it |
| 13:08.12 | et | err. |
| 13:08.14 | et | -you+i |
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| 13:08.24 | abrotman | retroj: you can get the source package and extract it from that |
| 13:08.31 | abrotman | retroj: or just the package in general |
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| 13:09.28 | assasukasse | hi everyone |
| 13:09.33 | Eulex | dudeman, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ , http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/legalcode |
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| 13:09.54 | dudeman | cc=checkmark by default |
| 13:09.54 | assasukasse | is there available any user and group editor which is not "gnome - kde" based (that doesn't need me to install all the libs) |
| 13:10.12 | dudeman | I think. cc==dfsg good |
| 13:10.23 | abrotman | assasukasse: vi ? |
| 13:10.24 | enouf | i don't get Benzi's issue, my display always goes into standby/suspend (for power saving) but whatever is running doesn't stop .. wtf? |
| 13:10.33 | assasukasse | abrotman: not cli, gui.. |
| 13:10.56 | dudeman | enouf, hi |
| 13:10.58 | assasukasse | abrotman: something in qt or gtk but not gnome dependant |
| 13:11.05 | enouf | dudeman: hola |
| 13:11.09 | abrotman | jeez .. demanding |
| 13:11.58 | dudeman | I'm having a great time with packaging radeonhd from git |
| 13:12.10 | dudeman | grumbles and shakes his fist in the air |
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| 13:13.44 | Eulex | dudeman, 2.5 and older wasn't, and the noderivatives and noncommercial license can't be. but the attribution and attribution share-alike should be. |
| 13:13.53 | dudeman | enouf, why don't you turn off powersaving and standby/suspend? |
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| 13:14.04 | dudeman | enouf, just push the monitor's power button when you leave the house...? |
| 13:14.06 | Waddo | hu wants a cookie |
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| 13:14.33 | abrotman | enouf: if your system doesn't do dpms correctly .. it used to crash X .. no idea if it still does |
| 13:14.42 | dudeman | abrotman, not anymore |
| 13:14.51 | simonrvn | enouf: indeed... like g-t would stop running and my ssh sessions would die... |
| 13:14.53 | dudeman | abrotman, it used to reset the timestamp |
| 13:14.54 | abrotman | you have non-dpms hardware? |
| 13:15.05 | abrotman | uhm .. that's not what i mean |
| 13:15.08 | dudeman | if thats the bug you're talking about |
| 13:15.15 | dudeman | ok nm |
| 13:15.36 | simonrvn | waits for linux-headers target to finish.... |
| 13:15.42 | dudeman | simonrvn, hey |
| 13:15.45 | dudeman | kwekwe |
| 13:15.53 | simonrvn | hi |
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| 13:16.41 | dudeman | whoah 700+mb of dev packages alone on my sid machine after 3 months of no upgrading... |
| 13:16.43 | Waddo | http://rafb.net/p/b6KO6A87.html |
| 13:17.05 | dudeman | any tips on cleaning out my system a bit before I upgrade |
| 13:17.52 | dudeman | so that I don't have to download all the stuff |
| 13:18.25 | abrotman | deborphan |
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| 13:18.37 | abrotman | Waddo: you're in the wrong channel |
| 13:18.52 | dudeman | aptitude remove $(deborphan) |
| 13:18.53 | dudeman | ? |
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| 13:26.34 | enouf | Guys; i don't want stuff that's running to stop - it shouldn't - unless one uses an Sx ACPI mode, the system should go about it's business, and the display only should go into standby (DPMS) |
| 13:27.00 | enouf | IOW, mine works as expected, and i like it |
| 13:27.08 | dudeman | enouf, you know what I run as a screensaver in X |
| 13:27.23 | enouf | i loathe screensavers |
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| 13:27.43 | dudeman | enouf, JScreenFix = bombard your lcd with turning every single pixel on/off and every subpixel on/off rapidly while I'm not home |
| 13:27.58 | dudeman | with varying shades/colors |
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| 13:28.11 | enouf | wonderful - i hope the cat enjoys it |
| 13:28.14 | dudeman | Just to keep my lcd in healthy shape |
| 13:28.28 | enouf | yeah, got it 'work it out' .. lmao |
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| 13:28.34 | dudeman | enouf, I used to get stuck pixels sometimes |
| 13:28.37 | dudeman | enouf, not anymore |
| 13:28.45 | enouf | ok |
| 13:30.14 | dudeman | enouf, you still use crt? |
| 13:30.33 | enouf | dudeman: LCDs |
| 13:31.00 | dudeman | ahh ok, at least that. I thought you cheap old mean bastard probably got like a 14" crt from like mid 90s |
| 13:31.03 | dudeman | ;) |
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| 13:35.04 | Jabka | What Sim card writer application would you recommend ? |
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| 13:38.14 | listener13 | hi all |
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| 13:40.24 | listener13 | i have no network on my notebook but i have downloaded packages on HDD. i want DPKG to use these packages to satisfy dependencies. how can i get it? |
| 13:41.06 | listener13 | i.e. i type: dpkg -i ./gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly |
| 13:41.30 | listener13 | and it must take them from the same current directory |
| 13:41.53 | abrotman | listener13: put them in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 13:42.02 | abrotman | listener13: then install what you want |
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| 13:44.01 | listener13 | abrotman: my HDD is too small. i need to take them from external HDD |
| 13:44.19 | abrotman | listener13: dpkg -i *.deb ? |
| 13:44.58 | Akuw | hi |
| 13:45.01 | Lagbolt | hi |
| 13:45.20 | Akuw | what applications are there to p2p download , i know amule |
| 13:45.29 | Akuw | but something else? |
| 13:45.29 | listener13 | abrotman: it doesn't see dependencies in the same direcory |
| 13:45.50 | abrotman | apt-get -f install |
| 13:45.53 | Nazz | museek |
| 13:46.22 | Nazz | a client for the soulseek network |
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| 13:48.51 | Lagbolt | elkbuntu? |
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| 13:52.44 | Zoup | how to upgrade uboot ? i did upgrade when i was in NAND , date of NAND did not changed , but NOR shows right date , any idea ? |
| 13:53.20 | torrr | I am trying to rebuild a ubuntu package, when trying to install with synaptic I got the following error: http://www.pastebin.ca/1206610 |
| 13:53.44 | Akuw | where is a lst of emule servers? |
| 13:53.46 | abrotman | torrr: right .. that's not going to work |
| 13:53.54 | abrotman | Akuw: ask them |
| 13:54.02 | torrr | abrotman, why? |
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| 13:54.28 | abrotman | torrr: you're missing dependencies for starters |
| 13:54.35 | torrr | abrotman, I got the source form its deb-src and compiled |
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| 13:55.02 | torrr | abrotman, aha |
| 13:55.07 | abrotman | you'd have to build a new libc6 to satisfy the dependencies as they are |
| 13:55.17 | abrotman | nevermind that consolekit thing |
| 13:55.23 | abrotman | or you could just use vnc |
| 13:55.58 | torrr | abrotman, so the problem there is that I need libc6? and I have what? |
| 13:56.22 | abrotman | or you could just use vnc |
| 13:56.34 | abrotman | thought the freenx site had etch packages |
| 13:56.39 | torrr | abrotman, I think I cant |
| 13:57.07 | torrr | the freenx site have only sources |
| 13:57.25 | abrotman | torrr: google "freenx etch" .. plenty of links that don't involve ubuntu packages |
| 13:57.29 | torrr | the packages are provided by offsite people |
| 13:58.07 | torrr | abrotman, I read the mailing list for freenx, there is a package for version 6.0.2, now it is 7.0.3 |
| 13:58.34 | abrotman | or use vnc |
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| 13:59.41 | torrr | abrotman, I don't see how I can use vnc instead of freenx-vnc |
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| 13:59.58 | torrr | abrotman, and anyway I would rather have the freenx stuff |
| 14:00.23 | torrr | abrotman, and to understand more about this building process |
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| 14:04.06 | torrr | shouldn't the 'apt-get build-dep freenx' line have fixed the dependencies or issue some error? |
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| 14:07.38 | simonrvn | torrr: if they can be satisfied, no. |
| 14:08.26 | Akuw | how much file can save a directory in linux? we made an aapplication to save 14.000.000 images |
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| 14:09.04 | torrr | is it probable that I could find some place at the source where this lib is needed and reduce the requirement to my lib verision? |
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| 14:11.02 | mahesh | How can i mount solaris partition under debian ? |
| 14:11.29 | simonrvn | support the fs and the partition type in your kernel |
| 14:11.37 | mahesh | i tried with mount -t ufs -o ro,ufstype=sunx86 /dev/sda2 /mnt/ |
| 14:11.39 | asg | mahesh: man mount (search for ufstype=) |
| 14:12.13 | mahesh | it return error like "ufs_read_super: bad magic number" |
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| 14:12.40 | simonrvn | wrong ufs type then - that's what i'd make of that... |
| 14:12.55 | mahesh | how can fix it ? |
| 14:13.17 | avu | 16:11 < asg> mahesh: man mount (search for ufstype=) |
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| 14:14.37 | torrr | I greped libc6 in the source and found only (>=2.3.6-6) which I have, but in the Packages file threre are lots of libc6(>=2.4) |
| 14:14.40 | simonrvn | oh yay, finally doing the dpkg-query --search |
| 14:14.50 | mahesh | fdisk -l return like this |
| 14:14.55 | mahesh | Disk /dev/sda: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes |
| 14:14.55 | mahesh | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders |
| 14:14.55 | mahesh | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
| 14:14.55 | mahesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.55 | mahesh | /dev/sda1 * 1 1216 9767488+ 83 Linux |
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| 14:15.08 | sladi | ^^ |
| 14:15.42 | simonrvn | !tell mahesh -about paste |
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| 14:17.34 | mahesh | fdisk -l output is at http://rafb.net/p/35sTwy77.html |
| 14:17.39 | abrotman | torrr: do not replace your libc6 |
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| 14:18.20 | simonrvn | that would be a dumb thing to do |
| 14:18.57 | torrr | I thought of rewriting the Packages files with 2.3.6-6 |
| 14:19.24 | torrr | freenx-server-0.7.3+svn612/debian/freenx-server/DEBIAN/control:Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), debconf (>= 0.5.00) | debconf-2.0, nxagent (>= 2.1.0-0), openssh-server, openssh-client, netcat, expect, bash (>= 2.05), adduser, binutils, consolekit | freenx-rdp | freenx-vnc, gnome-session | ksmserver | xfce4-session | freenx-rdp | freenx-vnc |
| 14:19.32 | Posterdati | hi |
| 14:20.03 | torrr | that's what 'grep -r libc6 freenx-server-0.7.3+svn612/*' got me |
| 14:20.03 | mahesh | simonrvn:hi |
| 14:20.19 | simonrvn | hello |
| 14:20.24 | Posterdati | please I need help... I've to buy a notebook and I need to use it with debian linux, which brand should I consider? (700⬠budget) |
| 14:20.36 | abrotman | !tell Posterdati about laptop |
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| 14:21.58 | mahesh | How can change partiton id , to avoid "ufs_read_super: bad magic number" |
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| 14:22.32 | kriebel | mahesh, it's not the partition ID, it's the partition. Magic numbers are part of the data |
| 14:23.23 | kriebel | iirc, Solaris, like BSD uses its own disk lables in one gian DOS partition |
| 14:23.44 | kriebel | so you might have to dd the data into a file and mount it loopback |
| 14:23.56 | kriebel | unless you have Solaris partition table support |
| 14:24.12 | kriebel | s/gian/giant/ |
| 14:24.19 | mahesh | but my kernel is compiled with UFS support |
| 14:25.05 | kriebel | that's not the same thing |
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| 14:25.54 | torrr | when I do 'debuild -us -uc' it doesn't make a 'Packages' file, how can I make this file? |
| 14:25.56 | kriebel | dd off 4k or so of that partition to a file, and run the file command on that file |
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| 14:26.16 | mahesh | i used the same partition in Linux as ext2 before installing solaris |
| 14:26.18 | Sling | hm thijs on a streak today |
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| 14:27.02 | mahesh | and using fdisk i converted it into solaris partition and installed sunOS 10 in that |
| 14:27.33 | mahesh | But still i can acess that drive using ext3 mount |
| 14:27.44 | kriebel | then there's no Solaris on it |
| 14:28.05 | mahesh | and in solaris it work perfectly |
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| 14:28.25 | mahesh | No , i can boot solaris perfectly |
| 14:28.30 | Wyzard | or you're seeing remnants of an ext3 filesystem that isn't actually valid anymore |
| 14:28.31 | kriebel | mahesh: look at something like this: http://multiboot.solaris-x86.org/iv/3.html |
| 14:29.46 | mahesh | but still data stored in ext3 filesystem is there after mounting , and two disk device also exists |
| 14:30.01 | kriebel | well you didn't show the partition table of the other disk |
| 14:30.24 | kriebel | or what partition you're trying to mount |
| 14:30.28 | kriebel | atleast, I missed it |
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| 14:31.49 | EagleScreen | Can I mount a partimage image? |
| 14:32.11 | Wyzard | EagleScreen: no |
| 14:32.28 | EagleScreen | :( |
| 14:32.56 | mahesh | I pasted fdisk output at http://rafb.net/p/OimDBe64.html |
| 14:33.05 | Wyzard | EagleScreen: partimage condenses the image file by omitting "free space" blocks, so the filesystem's data structures are at different locations than they would be on a real disk |
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| 14:34.36 | mahesh | why the earlier partition data exists in the drive |
| 14:34.58 | kriebel | ah, this makes a little more sense |
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| 14:35.52 | kriebel | mahesh, I don't know how to deal with Sun disk labels in Linux |
| 14:35.56 | kriebel | but that's what you need to do |
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| 14:37.31 | kriebel | mahesh, look at this, maybe: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Linux+Solaris.html#ss6.1 |
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| 14:38.34 | kriebel | your Solaris partitions are probably sda5 and sda6 |
| 14:39.49 | ohay | how do I use Debian unstable if the install CD has only the stable? |
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| 14:40.02 | Kovensky | ohay: do a network install |
| 14:40.42 | abrotman | ohay: if you have to ask .. you shouldn't |
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| 14:40.52 | Kovensky | abrotman: oh, indeed |
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| 14:42.24 | poseidon | I'm looking at joining a new open source project that is written in c++/c. Anyone know if mesa3d is written primarily in c or assembly? |
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| 14:44.08 | Wyzard | Probably C, but you could look at the source code to find out |
| 14:44.42 | craigevil | ohay: install lenny then dist-upgrade or try sidux |
| 14:44.52 | mahesh | kriebel:Its worked fine, Thanks |
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| 14:45.24 | ohay | the stable branch is fine and I've used it since Debian 2.2, so I never actually tried anything different. But I would like to have some packages on newer versions |
| 14:45.48 | abrotman | ohay: you could probably go to Lenny with few issues |
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| 14:46.37 | ohay | can I simply use some packages from the unstable branch or is it better migrate because of all the library dependencies? |
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| 14:47.27 | Eulex | you cannot use 'some packages from unstable', but you could backport them |
| 14:47.31 | abrotman | ohay: mixing is bad |
| 14:47.34 | Eulex | ohay, what exactly do you need? |
| 14:47.38 | abrotman | I8__8I: ttysnoop |
| 14:47.48 | I8__8I | ? |
| 14:47.52 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:48.01 | I8__8I | how can I see all command executed by an other user open ssh session in same time ?? |
| 14:48.07 | abrotman | I8__8I: ttysnoop |
| 14:48.26 | I8__8I | -bash: ttysnoop: command not found |
| 14:48.36 | ohay | mainly OpenOffice |
| 14:48.45 | Eulex | !installit |
| 14:48.46 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 14:48.56 | ohay | I'm satisfied with the rest |
| 14:49.06 | ohay | don't really need KDE 4 |
| 14:49.06 | abrotman | ohay: check backports.org .. read the instructions there |
| 14:49.16 | Eulex | ohay, backports.org has 2.4.1 |
| 14:49.18 | abrotman | good .. because only experimental has kde4 |
| 14:49.19 | I8__8I | abrotman: -bash: ttysnoop: command not found |
| 14:49.26 | Eulex | I8__8I, so install it? |
| 14:49.29 | abrotman | !tell I8__8I about grounding |
| 14:49.42 | abrotman | !tell I8__8I about installit |
| 14:50.00 | I8__8I | apt-get install ttysnoop ? |
| 14:50.01 | ohay | ok, thanks |
| 14:50.14 | abrotman | screen is another method |
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| 14:51.12 | Eulex | !tell I8__8I about search |
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| 14:58.05 | KungFuJesus | hello, I cannot for the life of me get autofs to work |
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| 15:06.02 | retroj | dudeman, abrotman, thank you |
| 15:06.40 | abrotman | retroj: did you get the file ? |
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| 15:07.14 | retroj | abrotman: reading dpkg confmiss now |
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| 15:07.43 | abrotman | retroj: it's much easier just to extract the package manually |
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| 15:08.48 | KungFuJesus | does anybody know if I were to mount an NFS share through DMZ pinholes how I would go about doing that? |
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| 15:09.49 | retroj | my irc client just wigged out. sorry if I accidentally flooded. (not sure if I did or not) |
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| 15:12.26 | I8__8I | ttysnoop dosn't work for me is there an other tools ? |
| 15:13.12 | x1938- | how do you force ./Configure to create a dir other then /dev/null |
| 15:13.36 | petemc | I8__8I: screen |
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| 15:14.54 | x1938- | for ex : you need to ./Configure before you make but you don't have access to /dev/null |
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| 15:15.35 | abrotman | i said screen! |
| 15:16.04 | I8__8I | server X ?? |
| 15:16.35 | I8__8I | I need to install some thing to that screen ? |
| 15:17.35 | jelly-home | I8__8I: you'll need to install it, read the documentation and learn how to use it (possibly in a multiuser setup) |
| 15:18.27 | I8__8I | apt-get install screen ?? |
| 15:19.22 | jelly-home | I8__8I: the same goes for ttysnoop; if you say it "doesn't work for you", we don't know if it's your fault, a problem in configuration or a real problem with ttysnoop. |
| 15:19.36 | jelly-home | !errors |
| 15:19.36 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors, or - ask me about <localized errors> too |
| 15:20.02 | abrotman | ttysnoop does work |
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| 15:21.04 | jelly-home | orly! |
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| 15:21.46 | I8__8I | abrotman: how to use screen or ttysnoo ? |
| 15:22.25 | abrotman | i'm not going to read the documentation for you |
| 15:22.36 | ki11bi11 | msg NickServ identify Ki11Bi11 |
| 15:22.42 | jelly-home | I8__8I: read their documentation, for start. "man ttysnoop", and the files in /usr/share/doc/ttysnop/o |
| 15:22.47 | jelly-home | fail |
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| 15:23.10 | jelly-home | ki11bi11: might want to change that password |
| 15:23.22 | ki11bi11 | heh, yeah |
| 15:23.24 | mhymn | I8__8I: what vesion of ubuntu do you have there now? |
| 15:23.42 | ki11bi11 | how do you do that? |
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| 15:24.54 | jelly-home | ki11bi11: ummm... /msg nickserv help ? |
| 15:25.04 | jelly-home | there seems to be a "setpass" command |
| 15:25.25 | ki11bi11 | jelly-home: doing that |
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| 15:29.03 | dob1 | it is possibile to modify the passphrase for a gpg key? |
| 15:30.05 | LimCore | dob1: yes |
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| 15:30.44 | insolit | hi |
| 15:30.56 | dob1 | LimCore: what i was thinking is : i have the gpg keys (pub/private) on more than one pc, then if i modify the passphrase on one pc, the other one remain with the old one? and it will work? |
| 15:31.05 | insolit | how can i mount a drive already with a specific and group rather then just "root" |
| 15:31.43 | LimCore | dob1: I guess so. The other one will need other passphrase to OPEN it (and use it) |
| 15:31.55 | LimCore | insolit: -o uid man mount |
| 15:32.10 | insolit | LimCore: gid for groups? |
| 15:32.14 | LimCore | yae |
| 15:32.28 | insolit | now... one more stupid question, where do i get those id's? |
| 15:32.45 | insolit | forget it |
| 15:32.46 | insolit | :P |
| 15:32.54 | insolit | /etc/groups |
| 15:33.07 | insolit | shadow for users |
| 15:33.09 | insolit | thanks mate :D |
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| 15:33.43 | insolit | LimCore: just one more questions, can i define permissions on mount as well? |
| 15:33.46 | jelly-home | "I've asked a stupid question, so I'll just stick my tongue out to distract everyone." |
| 15:34.25 | insolit | jelly-home: ? |
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| 15:35.16 | jelly-home | insolit: mind me not, I'm just trying to translate :P into English |
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| 15:37.39 | coelho | good afternoon all, i installed debian a couple of days ago, everything is sweet except one minor detail. The ugly ugly fonts |
| 15:37.59 | coelho | can someone recomend me a good deuglyfier how to ? |
| 15:38.30 | insolit | LimCore: it seems reiserfs does not allow those options |
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| 15:40.02 | mhymn | coelho: /msg dpkg font guide |
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| 15:40.22 | LimCore | insolit: well yes. on reiserfs etc the uid/gid is set by each file itself... that option is for os without own uid/gid like vfat |
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| 15:40.28 | jelly-home | insolit: neither do other real unix filesystems |
| 15:40.54 | grendal_prime | im trying to set up a trivial repository, as acording to this page http://www.howtoforge.com/local_debian_ubuntu_mirror |
| 15:40.58 | coelho | thx mhymn |
| 15:41.10 | mhymn | np |
| 15:41.22 | abrotman | !tell grendal_prime about repository |
| 15:41.51 | insolit | LimCore: so no way to mount with a specific group rather than just root? |
| 15:42.13 | LimCore | insolit: what would that mean?? |
| 15:42.30 | LimCore | I dunno... anyone? what he is trying to do O_o |
| 15:42.36 | insolit | ok ill explain what i wish to do, these mounts are to be shared through samba |
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| 15:43.22 | insolit | and unless i set the group of the samba users that want to use it, those partitions can't be written. |
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| 15:45.25 | jelly-home | insolit: oh. that's a samba issue. chown the shared directory to the user/group samba runs as |
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| 15:46.00 | insolit | jelly-home: exactly, that's why i wished to mount the partition already with those user/group settings |
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| 15:46.39 | abrotman | hi damog! |
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| 15:46.57 | damog | hi |
| 15:47.24 | jelly-home | insolit: mount it normally, chown it once, and the ownership won't change! |
| 15:48.01 | jelly-home | insolit: it's not a problem to be solved with mount |
| 15:48.11 | insolit | oh ok |
| 15:48.14 | insolit | let me check than |
| 15:48.55 | torrr | when packages are built what makes the "Packages" file? |
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| 15:50.15 | jelly-home | insolit: if you make a directory writable for user nobody, samba will be able to write there |
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| 16:00.14 | Posterdati | please I need help... I've to buy a notebook and I need to use it with debian linux, which brand should I consider? (700⬠budget) |
| 16:00.37 | bachman | What packages will 'Desktop package selection' install during the installation, is it gnome-core and gdm? |
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| 16:01.25 | enouf | bachman: tasksel --task-packages desktop |
| 16:01.28 | abrotman | !tell Posterdati about laptop |
| 16:01.36 | Posterdati | abrotman: uff |
| 16:01.53 | enouf | bachman: tasksel --help ; hit the man page |
| 16:02.00 | abrotman | english? |
| 16:02.06 | bachman | enouf: ok, thx. |
| 16:02.17 | jelly-home | Posterdati: laptop research is 50EUR/hr ! |
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| 16:02.32 | Posterdati | jelly-home: :) |
| 16:02.56 | Posterdati | jelly-home: there are a lot of computer... |
| 16:03.21 | Posterdati | jelly: on that site, but almost old computers at all |
| 16:04.42 | jelly-home | Posterdati: are you comfortable with touchpads? Trackpoints? Do you value a good keyboard more than CPU power? |
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| 16:04.59 | Posterdati | jelly-home: no I need a working pc |
| 16:05.37 | Posterdati | jelly-home: I don't want to get crazy to make hardware works with linux... |
| 16:06.47 | enouf | bachman: compare the output of "tasksel --task-packages gnome-desktop | sort" [with] "tasksel --task-packages gnome-desktop | sort" - also do (in your irc client), "/msg dpkg install gnome" (though those there listed aren't tasksel options) |
| 16:07.12 | enouf | crap.. i mean, gnome-desktop vs desktop |
| 16:09.19 | enouf | bachman: seems the tasksel option "gnome-desktop" pulls in all of gnome (basically) not just the -core, so you might want to not select that, and add later, or select no tasks, and add as you like, though for newcomers you'll likely miss things needed - unless --install-recommends is defaulted to |
| 16:09.30 | jelly-home | Posterdati: go to a shop and take a look at some models in your price range. Try their keyboards, mice substitutes and screens. Then write them down and google with keywords like "installing" "linux" and "debian". Take note of the lspci outputs in google results. |
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| 16:09.51 | enouf | bring a LiveCD with you! |
| 16:09.53 | enouf | :-) |
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| 16:10.16 | Posterdati | jelly-home: let's see |
| 16:10.20 | jelly-home | Posterdati: older chipsets will, in general, be better supported |
| 16:10.21 | Posterdati | jelly-home: ok tx |
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| 16:10.52 | enouf | tell them to hook up the laptop to a printer you are thinking about buying too (*wink*wink*) |
| 16:11.06 | abrotman | or take a liveCD with you ? |
| 16:11.08 | jelly-home | that said, I'm hunting for a thinkpad with the latest chipset :-) |
| 16:11.11 | enouf | print out the relevant; dmesg , lsmod, lspci ;-) |
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| 16:12.28 | abrotman | jelly-home: let me know how your "Thinkpad AGN 5100" works :) |
| 16:12.52 | jelly-home | abrotman: it'll work... eventually |
| 16:12.58 | abrotman | oh goodie |
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| 16:13.43 | jelly-home | abrotman: but that switchable graphics thing isn't going to work any time soon, I think |
| 16:13.50 | abrotman | the who ? |
| 16:13.56 | abrotman | was going to get the intel video |
| 16:14.06 | enouf | $700 Billion US Financial Markets and Investment Bank Bailout, .. i'd laugh if it wasn't so sad |
| 16:14.32 | enouf | (and you know that'll creep up to a full round 1 Trillion) |
| 16:14.52 | jelly-home | abrotman: intel+discrete graphics on the same board, switchable on the fly in windows |
| 16:15.02 | abrotman | jelly-home: oh .. 5100 has support in .27 |
| 16:15.21 | jelly-home | I seldom use wifi anyway, but bluetooth is a must |
| 16:15.33 | abrotman | nah .. i need wifi |
| 16:15.39 | enouf | both suck |
| 16:15.44 | jelly-home | is wired |
| 16:15.44 | abrotman | not as much as you! |
| 16:15.46 | enouf | :-p |
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| 16:18.52 | lxsameer | hi , how can i create a small network between to linux system with bluetooth? |
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| 16:19.53 | jelly-home | abrotman: we get a rather limited choice of models here, I can either get intel graphics with a smaller disk and cheaper RAM, or an ati/nvidia machine with decent disks and memory |
| 16:20.08 | jelly-home | custom orders? hah! |
| 16:20.15 | abrotman | oh .. sorry |
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| 16:27.34 | phet | Hello |
| 16:27.48 | phet | how can I say to aptitude to install an older version of a package? |
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| 16:29.58 | dmoerner | aptitude install package=version |
| 16:30.17 | dmoerner | if you have a copy of that package on one of the mirrors in /etc/apt/sources.list. otherwise, use sdn |
| 16:30.24 | Eulex | if in the text ui, press v on the package |
| 16:30.26 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell phet -about sdn |
| 16:30.32 | phet | thanks |
| 16:30.53 | phet | what's sdn? |
| 16:31.13 | dmoerner | phet: read dpkg's private message. snapshot.debian.net |
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| 16:31.50 | phet | ok thanks |
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| 16:33.06 | peter_12 | I've done "apt-get install libapache-mod-python" but I don't see mod_python in /etc/apache2/mods-available |
| 16:33.13 | peter_12 | what have I missed? |
| 16:33.42 | phet | It doesnt find the version I want :( |
| 16:33.53 | Eulex | peter_12, apache vs apache2 |
| 16:33.55 | karlpinc | I'm running etch. What's the best OCR software to use? (I'm thinking maybe tesseract.) |
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| 16:34.21 | peter_12 | Eulex: thanks |
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| 16:34.57 | biz | Hi there, I've got a problem with apt pinning and a local repository. I've got some debs in /opt/debian, created the Packages.gz and the Release file, then added it to sources.list like "deb file:///opt/debian ./". Trying to pin all packages from this local repo with priority of 1000. The origin line in the "Release" file is "Origin: foobar". Trying to match while pinning with "Pin: release o=foobar", but it doesn't work |
| 16:35.02 | darsie | How do I get 'run-mailcap audio.mp3' to use mpg123 instead of vlc? 'audio/x-mp3; mpg123 -v '%s'; nametemplate=%s.mp3' in ~/.mailcap did not work. |
| 16:35.03 | biz | any ideas? :-) |
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| 16:44.42 | enouf | biz: man apt_preferences |
| 16:44.52 | enouf | biz: see the section; A note of caution: the keyword used here is "origin". |
| 16:45.39 | kinkrock | dpkg configuration files are damaged. when I try to install kernel for my processor it dies, whining: dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 2: field name ` |
| 16:45.39 | dpkg | kinkrock: okay |
| 16:45.42 | kinkrock | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
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| 16:46.24 | kinkrock | How can I recover dpkg config so that I can install with apt-get again? |
| 16:46.25 | basti_ | where can i find mencoder (a variant build of mplayer) in the debian package system |
| 16:46.32 | p1ngp0ng | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7mn4mo-QYE i'll just leave this here |
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| 16:46.56 | basti_ | apt-file search didn't help, nor did the package search on debian.org |
| 16:47.07 | moqq | hey - i've installed a version of php from source. how do i now install something that depends on PHP without getting the php release from apt? |
| 16:47.28 | kinkrock | basti type mencoder .deb in google |
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| 16:48.03 | biz | enouf: that's why I use "release o=foobar" instead of "origin foobar"? |
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| 16:48.30 | abrotman | !tell moqq about equivs |
| 16:49.14 | kinkrock | How to reinstall dpkg on a compu that has failing network drivers, anything more than 2 mb transfer hard locks the os. bad for the disk image in the long run to restat every 5 minutes. |
| 16:49.21 | enouf | biz: i think you might need also an Pin: origin "" line (but i'm not sure), i haven't messed with pinning in a long time, apologies |
| 16:49.22 | moqq | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:49.24 | basti_ | kinkrock: can't satisfy the first found .deb's dependencies |
| 16:50.08 | kinkrock | basti try apt-cache search with the dependencies? |
| 16:50.12 | dmoerner | basti_: try dmm |
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| 16:51.10 | basti_ | dmm? |
| 16:51.14 | enouf | biz: you say "but it doesn't work" .. how so? |
| 16:51.36 | enouf | biz: also, have you toyed with the amount of / in your file:/// protocol? |
| 16:51.57 | kinkrock | sky2 drivers have some hardcore bugging action on my compu. Most distros die on it. Marvell 88E8056 nic driver or firmware rotten. |
| 16:52.27 | enouf | biz: i recall back around sarge, the file:/cdrom line was particular about amount .. or finicky or whatever |
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| 16:52.38 | biz | enouf: Since it's a file:/// entry and a plain "apt-cache policy" does not show a "real" origin for it, I guess you're right with 'Pin: origin ""'. But adding this line or playing around with combinations of origin "" and "release o=foobar" did not solve it yet |
| 16:52.46 | kinkrock | I wonder if anyone knows how to update firmware on a asus p5k-vm with marvell 88E8052 nic? |
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| 16:53.12 | biz | enouf: I'm yet unable to match the repo. I'll try to play around with the URI |
| 16:53.19 | Vladimiroff | hello, I have issue with evdev in debian lenny/sid |
| 16:53.27 | kinkrock | more specifically, where to find the suitable firmware |
| 16:53.29 | enouf | biz: is there any info on wiki.debian.org to also maybe help? /msg dpkg pinning |
| 16:53.34 | kinkrock | Vladimiroff lol mee too! |
| 16:53.37 | Vladimiroff | it works....absolutely random....one day works, next day it doesn't |
| 16:53.46 | kinkrock | V bad drivers. |
| 16:54.03 | kinkrock | V what hardware? |
| 16:54.22 | Vladimiroff | yeah...but if I set to auto driver I haven't horizontal scroll and my media buttons it doesn't work :( |
| 16:54.28 | Vladimiroff | the mouse is: |
| 16:54.32 | basti_ | http://debian-multimedia.org/ appears to supply a mencoder package |
| 16:54.39 | Vladimiroff | Trust MI-2950R |
| 16:54.52 | kinkrock | basti_ what you need mencoder for? |
| 16:55.21 | kinkrock | V I hope I could use the ethernet without the machine locking up |
| 16:55.24 | ki11bi11 | does linux automatically cache frequently used files? Like if I read a php file for every htaml access or something.... |
| 16:55.36 | ki11bi11 | or html even |
| 16:55.43 | biz | enouf: Actually, I've followed http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#repository .. just replace their "Run" Origin within the Release file and the pin-matching with "foobar" .. |
| 16:55.49 | kinkrock | ki11bi11 so many different linuxes... |
| 16:56.28 | ki11bi11 | kinkrock: of course I meant debian :) |
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| 16:56.41 | basti_ | kinkrock: to recode a movie to divx so i can watch it on my dvd player |
| 16:56.52 | kinkrock | it depends on the app used. |
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| 16:57.06 | kinkrock | basti_ does ffmpeg work for that? |
| 16:57.21 | enouf | biz: specific error messages posted to pastebin with command and full output might help |
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| 16:58.11 | kinkrock | how to reinstall dpkg? |
| 16:58.20 | basti_ | kinkrock: probably. however, i used mencoder in the past and i'd like to use it again |
| 16:58.35 | kinkrock | the dpkg -itself |
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| 16:58.55 | kinkrock | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 2: field name ` |
| 16:58.55 | kinkrock | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 16:58.55 | dpkg | kinkrock: You are moron #8 |
| 16:59.11 | kinkrock | not you |
| 16:59.26 | kinkrock | the dpkg on MY compu. |
| 16:59.33 | NeonLightning | Vladimiroff: i have a 7button mouse and all that i cang et working is the first 5(standard buttons) so most of my fluxbox keys entries are useless since i moved to debian |
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| 17:01.54 | kinkrock | uname -s |
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| 17:03.26 | kinkrock | oops. trying to install 386 kernel so that my ethernet drivers wouldnt lock up the machine. dpkg configuration files are damaged. How to reinstall the conf files or dpkg? |
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| 17:04.11 | kinkrock | irc doesnt seem to cause lockups. slow web surfing is also possible. |
| 17:04.55 | kinkrock | anything more than 1-2 megs and nics 'sky2' drivers (v1.20) lock up the machine. tainteddddd |
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| 17:05.37 | jkp | hi all, question: does the stock debian kernel support PAE? |
| 17:05.55 | Vladimiroff | I see X.org updates every 5 days and still no fixed this driver :( |
| 17:06.01 | dmoerner | jkp: you will want bigmem kernel for that |
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| 17:06.24 | micols | lets say i want to export a tmpfs via NFS3, should the end-user then be apart of group 'disk' ? as /dev/ram* are root:disk ? |
| 17:06.24 | jkp | dmoerner: ok /me searches |
| 17:06.34 | micols | i get permission denied. |
| 17:06.42 | micols | or do i need to bind-mount it? |
| 17:07.17 | jkp | linux-image-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem? |
| 17:08.28 | dmoerner | jkp: yes |
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| 17:08.45 | jkp | dmoerner: whats the vserver variant? |
| 17:09.04 | dmoerner | jkp: /msg dpkg vserver |
| 17:09.14 | biz | enouf: no error messages, but here is an overview: http://pastebin.ca/1206733 |
| 17:09.24 | enouf | ok |
| 17:09.40 | \amethyst | jkp: -vserver-686-bigmem |
| 17:10.02 | jkp | hmmm - im trying to set up kvm, this confuses things even more! |
| 17:10.19 | jkp | also one more thing, ive found that i need a later vesion of kvm than is in lenny right now |
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| 17:10.50 | jkp | is there a recommended way of doing this? is it just a case of removing the dpkg variant and building a later release from source? |
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| 17:11.42 | dmoerner | jkp: /msg dpkg kvm to see more information about kvm. If you want to compile from source, then you should checkout equivs: /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 17:12.03 | eljefe | if I add kde4.debian.org to my sources.list file, will that be the same eventual packages as the rest of KDE4 in Testing? Or will I at some point run into overlapping incompatible packages? |
| 17:12.08 | phet | Hello, is there vmware player for debian? |
| 17:12.23 | jkp | dmoerner: thanks a lot |
| 17:12.26 | jkp | lots of help there |
| 17:12.42 | eljefe | phet not exactly, you can install it from their website tho, but its apain for any kernel over 2.6.18. look into virtualbox |
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| 17:13.02 | phet | eljefe, what's virtualbox? |
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| 17:13.23 | eljefe | its a GPL app by Sun thats in the debian repos, same idea as vmware player |
| 17:13.25 | flower | hi, I want to make a sort of clone of my system...(and want to be able to boot it) and copy it to my extern hd. My intern hd is 250 (not full) gb, extern = 160... |
| 17:13.43 | phet | eljefe, ok thanks |
| 17:14.10 | eljefe | flower I'd tar up the whole system and untar it on that new drive, then check into installing the bootloader (grub) |
| 17:14.28 | phet | eljefe, virtualbox works with vmware images? |
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| 17:14.31 | eljefe | phet virtual box can also run vmware guest OS files |
| 17:14.35 | eljefe | yeah |
| 17:14.53 | phet | ok thanks |
| 17:14.54 | enouf | biz: i dunno - i'd be guessing :-/ |
| 17:15.13 | eljefe | google for more info on that, it may need to be an older image but that maybe fixed now |
| 17:15.22 | eljefe | phet ^^ |
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| 17:16.17 | biz | enouf: According to apt_preferences(5) the matching syntax is correct.. I'm clueless :-/ |
| 17:17.01 | wireddd | ok, I am having trouble getting the sound to work on a system I just installed, I don't think the sound card driver is being loaded, the sound card is a sb live card, and I am trying to use alsa |
| 17:17.27 | cahoot | isa or pci? |
| 17:17.28 | ceil420 | man, how can i get sound working? alsaconf has abandoned me ;x |
| 17:17.34 | wireddd | pci |
| 17:17.47 | flower | eljefe: should I format the new external hd and make partitions first? |
| 17:18.00 | cahoot | wireddd: tried speaker-test? error? |
| 17:18.09 | wireddd | it doesn't error |
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| 17:18.28 | wireddd | but it doesn't do anything either |
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| 17:18.35 | biz | enouf: I'll try to put the stuff on some webserver and match it with the origin keyword.. |
| 17:18.37 | wireddd | what I mean is that there is no sound |
| 17:18.59 | cahoot | wireddd: try /etc/init.d/alsautils reset 0 |
| 17:19.11 | eljefe | yeah flower, you'll need to format it in a unix filesystem since ntfs or fat32 doesn't work for unix permissions. if you want a part that is 'shareable' by all the comps that yuo plug into, make that part fat32 |
| 17:19.32 | eljefe | part == partition |
| 17:20.29 | cahoot | wireddd: err /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
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| 17:20.49 | wireddd | yeah, I did it already, didn't error but didn't fix anything either |
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| 17:21.16 | cahoot | wireddd: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one? |
| 17:21.21 | micols | lets say i want to export a tmpfs via NFS3, should the end-user then be apart of group 'disk' ? as /dev/ram* are root:disk ? |
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| 17:21.52 | NeonLightning | anyone know of any resume making software for linux i can't seem to figure out how to make use of templates for openoffice |
| 17:22.02 | wireddd | yeah... 0 [Live ]: EMU10K1 - SBLive! Value [CT4832] |
| 17:22.43 | dmoerner | NeonLightning: latex? lyx is a simple frontend |
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| 17:23.16 | NeonLightning | latex isn't exactly a resume making program |
| 17:23.24 | cahoot | wireddd: cabling/switches ruled out as causes of problem? |
| 17:23.29 | patrikf | NeonLightning: there is a "currvita" package... |
| 17:23.31 | wireddd | yeah |
| 17:23.39 | enouf | install alsa-oss, run alsaconf and let it modify /etc/modprobe.d and such , /msg dpkg soundcheck , /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 17:23.42 | biz | enouf: FYI, that one works.. no idea why 'release o=foo' does not match the 'Origin: foo' within the Release file |
| 17:23.43 | wireddd | also, arts refuses to see alsa |
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| 17:24.10 | Archdevil | wonders why debian lenny ships with an ancient version of gutenprint |
| 17:24.12 | cahoot | wireddd: arts? what does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return? |
| 17:24.35 | wireddd | cahoot: nothing |
| 17:24.48 | enouf | biz: try #debian on irc.debian.org |
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| 17:25.21 | cahoot | wireddd: alsa is loaded all right (as indicated by /proc/asound) |
| 17:25.31 | enouf | wireddd: fire up kcontrol and tell it to |
| 17:25.46 | wireddd | yeah, I tried that |
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| 17:25.53 | biz | enouf: ok, thanks for your help :-) |
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| 17:26.19 | enouf | ok biz |
| 17:26.54 | wireddd | hmm alsaconfig is bugged it seems |
| 17:27.04 | cahoot | not needed anyway |
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| 17:29.20 | wireddd | something could just be broken somewhere, this is a sid system after all |
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| 17:34.40 | flower | eljefe: I plugged in the hd, but kde doesn't see it... |
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| 17:36.05 | Doug52392 | Hello |
| 17:36.16 | Doug52392 | I am trying to install X, but when I run X, it crashes |
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| 17:36.41 | eljefe | flower does it have power?? |
| 17:37.03 | eljefe | flower do you know your partition scheme, haw many hard drives you have etc? |
| 17:37.14 | Doug52392 | How do I set up X? |
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| 17:37.30 | eljefe | although if its not partitioned KDE might not see it I suppose. Do you have QtParted installed? |
| 17:37.33 | flower | eljefe: it's 2.5" ... |
| 17:37.34 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i have a question, i was a fedora user, and recently migrated to debian sid ! is there a way i can compile the kernel without the debian specific tweaks ! like for fedora i just do a make modules_install and make install, but this doesnt works with debian |
| 17:37.56 | arezey | !sid |
| 17:37.56 | dpkg | methinks sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 17:38.17 | eljefe | wow backronym is now a verb huh |
| 17:38.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | wel i am fine with sid, system is stable enough, just the kernel portion is bugging me |
| 17:39.04 | arezey | for now |
| 17:39.05 | eljefe | flower install QtParted and start that, and see if your drive shows up in there |
| 17:39.06 | dondelelcaro | eljefe: 'ed' and 'ify' veribify |
| 17:39.07 | arezey | but it may break any day. |
| 17:39.12 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i always used the traditional way to compile kernel, |
| 17:39.15 | eljefe | lol |
| 17:39.24 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | but its not working under debian, not creating the initrd |
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| 17:39.53 | eljefe | why would vim-full require vim-gnome on a no-gnome system?? |
| 17:40.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | well arezey, sid packages are parallel to almost fedora-stable, and even i used sidux, it worked for me |
| 17:40.14 | arezey | eljefe, dunno, have been wondering that myself too. |
| 17:40.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | the reason i converted my lenny to sid is i have used fedora since 5 years , i cant give up that hunger for a bleeding edge distro lol |
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| 17:41.18 | arezey | that hunger is pretty dangerous imo >_> |
| 17:41.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
| 17:41.35 | arezey | consult a doctor :P |
| 17:41.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | and i must say, i am liking debian "not meant ubuntu here" |
| 17:42.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | just a the kernel portion is bugging me as of now |
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| 17:42.31 | arezey | well, sid isn't supported here anyway... |
| 17:42.40 | path_ | ! |
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| 17:42.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | wel overall debian is supported i presume? |
| 17:42.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | my problem is debian related not "sid" related |
| 17:43.01 | Doug52392 | So how do I install X? I am trying to install just X so I can run one program in Wine, but when I start X, the whole computer crashes |
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| 17:43.33 | arezey | sh4d3sl4y3r_, get lenny and we'll see about it then. |
| 17:43.45 | arezey | how do you know it's not because you have sid? ;) |
| 17:43.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | cause i used etch too :P |
| 17:44.03 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | and the compilation process is same for both |
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| 17:44.19 | GarulfoUnix | Hello everyone |
| 17:44.25 | arezey | yes but keep in mind sid has (or might have, not digged into) another gcc, another glibc, another blah. |
| 17:44.31 | abrotman | Doug52392: which WM do you want? |
| 17:44.31 | GarulfoUnix | someone use gnash plugin for Iceweasel ? |
| 17:44.38 | eljefe | Doug52392: as root, 'apt-get install xserver-xorg kde-base kdm' and then reboot into KDE :) |
| 17:44.38 | abrotman | lots of people .. just ask |
| 17:45.03 | netcrash | Hello, how can I check if a variable String contains a numerical number so I can convert it if it has a true String I'll do something else with it. Any tips ? |
| 17:45.09 | arezey | eljefe, he just wants a base X for his server to run a wine app. |
| 17:45.11 | abrotman | eljefe: did he ask for kde ? |
| 17:45.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | well arezey i know that, my question was, is there a way i can avoid the hassel of creating .deb packages, i said i am really new to debian! didnt dig so deep yet |
| 17:45.21 | GarulfoUnix | because i just installed the mozilla-plugin-gnash package, i rebooted IceWeasel and when i'm trying on youtube, that doesn't work. |
| 17:45.41 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: /msg dpkg kp |
| 17:45.48 | Doug52392 | I don't want a whole WM running on the server, just enough to run one program in Wine |
| 17:45.54 | arezey | and if yer a newbie and use sid.. your doomed. |
| 17:46.07 | abrotman | Doug52392: you can just install xorg if you choose .. but having a WM will make it a bit easier |
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| 17:46.47 | Doug52392 | So... how do I actually _start_ just xorg? When I run X, the screen goes black and my keyboard stops working |
| 17:46.50 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | arezey as i mentioned above , i already used a distribution providing packages parallel to sid, and even if it breaks in a while, wnt matter to me to format my desktop |
| 17:46.57 | arezey | well, ok |
| 17:47.00 | arezey | won't "lecture" any more about it but if, i mean, when your computer breaks down don't say i didn't warn you |
| 17:47.00 | wols | netcrash: go to the channel for your programming language. but keep in mind, very few of them like to do your homework |
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| 17:47.17 | abrotman | Doug52392: what is your video card? which video driver did you choose? |
| 17:47.39 | Doug52392 | It's a nVidia integrated card, and I chose VESA |
| 17:47.44 | netcrash | sorry , didn't realized this was debian ... But found the answer in the book ... Thank you |
| 17:47.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol arezey, dnt worry, but thanks for your advice !! well the only reason i switched to debian is red hat's policy of making fedora as a base of their commercial RHEL |
| 17:48.10 | arezey | that "don't worry" doesn't kinda convince me :) |
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| 17:48.19 | nikoz | hi |
| 17:48.38 | abrotman | Doug52392: lspci | grep VGA |
| 17:48.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol, its my system, i am to be blamed !! |
| 17:48.57 | nikoz | how I can mount a NAS storage, ip is 192.168.1.15 |
| 17:49.00 | Doug52392 | nVidia GeForce2 MX Integrated Graphics is the full name |
| 17:49.02 | arezey | well, ok! but using sid is a mistake, i tell you :P |
| 17:49.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | well i will downgrade to lenny once it releases completely, as of now i am just playing around to know debian properly .. |
| 17:49.40 | nikoz | mount /mnt/nas nas://1912.168.1.15 ? |
| 17:49.50 | wols | sh4d3sl4y3r_: you cannot downgrade |
| 17:49.51 | Doug52392 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NVCrush11 [GeForce2 MX Integrated Graphics] (rev b1) |
| 17:49.58 | Doug52392 | ^ lspci | grep VGA |
| 17:50.08 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | wols i can format and downgrade, lol |
| 17:50.11 | wols | nikoz: no. you smbmount it |
| 17:50.12 | arezey | sh4d3sl4y3r_, ye needs to reinstall completely if you want to get out of sid.. |
| 17:50.14 | abrotman | Doug52392: AFAIK .. vesa should work |
| 17:50.19 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ya i wil do that |
| 17:50.20 | wols | sh4d3sl4y3r_: that's a reinstall not a downgrade |
| 17:50.34 | wols | Doug52392: why not run startx? |
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| 17:50.38 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | downgrade in the general sense, not technical |
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| 17:50.53 | Doug52392 | It also crashes when I run startx |
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| 17:51.02 | wols | Doug52392: and give us the content of Xorg.0.log if they screen stays black |
| 17:51.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | its ok, i don't have much precious data anyways ! |
| 17:51.39 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | they should consider adding gyache to the repositories, important package for yahoo users |
| 17:52.04 | abrotman | !tell sh4d3sl4y3r_ about wnpp |
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| 17:53.16 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: but you can use pidgin/gaim for yahoo IM |
| 17:53.34 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | pidgin has know voice chat support, or else i use pidgin for google talk and amsn for msn |
| 17:53.38 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | *no |
| 17:54.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | and gyache has a good webcam support |
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| 17:55.11 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: there's an RFP for gyachi |
| 17:55.29 | dondelelcaro | sh4d3sl4y3r_: you can just use ekiga... |
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| 17:56.23 | abrotman | it appears to have some questionable items in the source .. but there is an RFP nonetheless |
| 17:56.28 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | see, the only reason i prefer gyache for yahoo IM over other clients is, it is a complete clone of the proprietary yahoo client, it has even yahoo chat rooms support |
| 17:57.08 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | it has all the features the default proprietary client provides, like avatar, audibles, voice chat, video chat, chat rooms |
| 17:57.36 | abrotman | yeah .. we got that .. but if you're not going to package it, you'll have to wait til someone else does |
| 17:58.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i just suggested, an opinion !! any way i can join the packaging team for individual packaging ? |
| 17:58.56 | dondelelcaro | sh4d3sl4y3r_: you just join it |
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| 17:59.33 | dondelelcaro | sh4d3sl4y3r_: if you contact whoever is working on packages that you're interesting in working on, and jump in and help out, that's all it takes |
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| 18:00.07 | Doug52392 | Back, getting the X log file |
| 18:00.16 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ya |
| 18:00.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | well they do have a .deb package in their site, but that's for debian, shucks :( |
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| 18:00.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | sorry i meant ubuntu |
| 18:01.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | and i presume ubuntu .deb packages are not compatible with debian |
| 18:02.14 | abrotman | not likely |
| 18:02.32 | abrotman | depends on the dependencies .. but you're not likely to get much help with it if they don't work |
| 18:02.33 | eljefe | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.12 | Doug52392 | http://pastebin.com/ma258e83 <- The X log file |
| 18:03.31 | jelly-home | eljefe: at the very least, that has a better chance to work than binary debs do |
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| 18:03.39 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i have fair knowledge of rpm packaging , wish i knew .deb packaging |
| 18:04.14 | abrotman | !tell sh4d3sl4y3r_ about mg |
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| 18:04.44 | craigevil | sh4d3sl4y3r_: they do have an older version for debian , http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=158490&package_id=177556&release_id=441735 |
| 18:04.50 | abrotman | Doug52392: firstly .. don't run startx as root .. secondly .. what kind of mouse do youhave? |
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| 18:05.47 | Doug52392 | A PS/2 mouse, I forgot to plug it in at first |
| 18:05.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | 1.0 is ok, will do , thanks craig |
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| 18:05.59 | abrotman | Doug52392: that might help .. give it a whirl |
| 18:06.20 | Doug52392 | Plugged it in... didn't work. Maybe I need to run the configure program again? |
| 18:07.06 | abrotman | i don't recall if PS/2 is hotpluggable |
| 18:07.23 | et | it is "sometimes" |
| 18:07.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | well i must say i am happy with the debian support |
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| 18:07.43 | eljefe | yeah sometimes... i know you can unplug and replug, but if it isn't in at boot i am not sure |
| 18:07.46 | et | as in, you're told to plug it in before booting, but it works most of the time if you hotplug it |
| 18:08.00 | abrotman | Doug52392: as much as i hate to say it .. try to restart the machine wiht it plugged in |
| 18:08.07 | abrotman | reboot .. whatever |
| 18:08.19 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
| 18:08.19 | eljefe | do you have a usb mouse? |
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| 18:09.22 | icedtea | is there a program that will change the desktop background every hour to the next picture in a directory? |
| 18:09.33 | icedtea | I'm using gnome |
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| 18:10.08 | Dogfood | 'ello, I'm trying to share net from my debian laptop, which is on wireless, to another windows xp laptop, through cable... just not sure what I should google for... can anybody point me in the right direction? |
| 18:10.19 | eljefe | kde has that, not sure about gnome tho |
| 18:10.24 | abrotman | !tell Dogfood about ipmasq |
| 18:10.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | brb friends |
| 18:10.38 | Dogfood | thanks |
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| 18:10.52 | Larcen_ | hi all |
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| 18:12.50 | dennis101010_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/7880287/ |
| 18:13.06 | jelly-home | that was quick |
| 18:14.43 | sarefo_home | hi, any idea why invoking a python prog with #/usr/bin/python as first line gives me 'bad interpreter: permission denied', while invoking the same prog with '/usr/bin/python prog.py' works? |
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| 18:14.54 | sarefo_home | sorry #!/usr/bin/python |
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| 18:16.03 | jelly-home | sarefo_home: how did you transfer it to that machine? It might have msdos(windows) style line delimiters |
| 18:17.03 | V4Nelle | guys i have radeonhd onmy lenny but my vlc can;t show me image |
| 18:17.08 | V4Nelle | any help? |
| 18:17.19 | jelly-home | sarefo_home: make a backup copy and try running perl -pi -e 's/\r//' prog.py on it... does the file size reduce a bit? |
| 18:17.23 | sarefo_home | jelly-home: thx for the hint, but that's not it. i wrote it on linux, and vim tells me it's not ms-delimited |
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| 18:18.07 | jelly-home | !bad interpreter |
| 18:18.07 | dpkg | it has been said that bad-interpreter is a wrong #! line in a script, or script is in crlf - which is the case, if 'od -b filename|grep 015' returns something; ask me about <crlf-unix> - or script is not executable (use chmod +x on it), or script is on a partition mounted with the noexec (mounting with "user" implies that) option. |
| 18:18.24 | patrikf | sarefo_home: its #!/..., not #... |
| 18:18.36 | Doug52392 | It's working now, I found a USB mouse and used that, it works :) |
| 18:19.08 | jelly-home | sarefo_home: like the bot says, check the fs mount options |
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| 18:24.22 | sarefo_home | hmm, on a partition mounted with user, i would never have found that... thx! |
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| 18:25.00 | sarefo_home | jelly-home: so if i remove users from fstab, it will work? |
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| 18:26.14 | Mr_O | hi |
| 18:27.38 | mike-b | hey, I have an Intel ICH9R/ICH10R SATA RAID Driver and the installer does not recognize my harddrive, it was suggested that i set up the hard drive as AHCI or a raid 0 array with one hard drive, would either of these slow down data transfer, I also have the problem that if i set it to AHCI windows vista will no longer boot. Is there anyway around this problem? I would really like to have linux on my computer, cs student at Davis and l |
| 18:28.28 | mike-b | Mr_O: hello |
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| 18:29.46 | daftd | ike-b vista 32bit? |
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| 18:30.59 | mike-b | daftd: vista 64bit, i use linux for just about everything except media editing apps like photoshop and maya etc, and lately xp has been giving me a bunch of driver conflicts, so i felt i had to switch |
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| 18:31.23 | mike-b | daftd: can you believe that when you have to restart the computer under vista it states "your windows vista experience needs to be refreshed"? |
| 18:31.39 | daftd | refreshed? |
| 18:32.48 | abrotman | mike-b: lenny or etch ? |
| 18:32.51 | mike-b | daftd: yeah, euthemism for restarted. fell out of my seat for a good half a minute the first time it asked |
| 18:32.55 | mike-b | abrotman: etch |
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| 18:33.03 | abrotman | mike-b: try etchnhalf or lenny |
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| 18:33.42 | JordiGH | I remember reading or hearing about this CD that made netinstall over wireless easier by somehow facilitating the distribution of non-free stuff. I can't find it, if it even exists. Help? |
| 18:33.52 | mike-b | abrotman: k, will do, do you know what driver is compatible with the controller card? |
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| 18:34.17 | abrotman | mike-b: i can't recall if the .24 in etchnhalf will have it |
| 18:34.26 | daftd | ICH9R isnt that software raid? |
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| 18:35.00 | abrotman | ICH9 is the name of the controller |
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| 18:36.24 | pstickne | (I am on a 64bit base, GLX works fine, I'd like to troubleshoot why GLX isn't working in a 32bit application [cedega]) |
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| 19:02.04 | Lukemob | hi, why doesn't my oidentd server work? |
| 19:02.46 | Lukemob | port 113 is opened, .oidentd.conf shows correctly too |
| 19:02.48 | Lukemob | how comes :/ |
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| 19:08.16 | r-p | How can I get a list of network devices ? like eth0, eth1, wlan0 |
| 19:08.45 | Lukemob | r-p, ifconfig you mean? |
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| 19:10.50 | r-p | Lukemob: I have this new wireless usb card. The kernel outputs something when I plug it in/out. But how can I get the name I should use to configure it with? ifconfig doesnt show it |
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| 19:11.06 | simNIX | ifconfig -a |
| 19:11.07 | simNIX | ? |
| 19:11.26 | iddo | how can i prevent seahorse from revealing my empathy gtalk password? |
| 19:12.02 | r-p | simNIX: thanks. What is sit0 ? |
| 19:12.16 | abrotman | not your wifi card |
| 19:13.10 | flower | if I copy my filesystem to my extern hd, is it automatically bootable? |
| 19:13.53 | r-p | abrotman: lsusb shows this : Bus 005 Device 004: ID 0846:9000 NetGear, Inc. WN111(v1) RangeMax Next Wireless [Marvell TopDog] |
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| 19:14.33 | simNIX | (google says sit0 is for IPv6-in-IPv4 tunnels) |
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| 19:14.45 | abrotman | r-p: google "wn111 linux driver" .. does it return anything ? |
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| 19:15.57 | simNIX | flower, not is you just copy it - if both disks are same size you could use dd to copy; then it will boot |
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| 19:16.26 | simNIX | is=if |
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| 19:17.29 | wols | abrotman: draft-n device |
| 19:17.43 | simNIX | on the pc you want tot boot this usb hd; does it also have a Linux on main hd ? -> then you can just copy and add to grub of internal disk |
| 19:17.48 | r-p | abrotman: it says I will need to use ndisswrapper |
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| 19:18.14 | soulchild | Hi all |
| 19:18.15 | abrotman | r-p: i'm sorry |
| 19:18.23 | soulchild | What is the best tool to backup my whole debian system ? |
| 19:18.56 | soulchild | best = easy, fast and compatible to other distros (for example in a tar file)... |
| 19:19.08 | r-p | abrotman: why? Is ndiswrapper unstable? |
| 19:19.21 | abrotman | no idea .. i've never had the misfortune to have to use it |
| 19:19.24 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 19:19.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper one-liner is as root: "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ndiswrapper && modprobe ndiswrapper && echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules". Then install the NDIS driver via "ndiswrapper -i <inf file>", refer to the ndiswrapper man page. |
| 19:19.28 | simNIX | I use g4u to immage the full hd after I've zero's out the free space |
| 19:20.06 | wireddd | ok, I got my alsa settings sorted, but I can't get sound in kde for whatever reason |
| 19:20.14 | simNIX | running backups I make with rsync |
| 19:21.03 | flower | how do i start a java app in the terminal? |
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| 19:21.44 | soulchild | simNIX: can you give me the command for the whole system into a tar file,... for example I do not need virtual folders (dev proc sys lost+found) |
| 19:22.10 | simNIX | for a copy like that I would use rsync ... |
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| 19:22.57 | flower | simNIX, my intern hd is 250 my extern 160 gb.. not the same size |
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| 19:23.39 | simNIX | rsync -avlx --delete /dir/tobackup/ /dir/tebackupto |
| 19:23.57 | simNIX | if there less then 160Gb used on 250Gb hd ? |
| 19:24.00 | simNIX | is |
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| 19:25.41 | simNIX | the -x in the rsync command makes it stays on one filesystem |
| 19:26.04 | simNIX | and you can use a exclude file with it |
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| 19:28.50 | soulchild | simNIX: thanks |
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| 19:30.14 | simNIX | (I see i forgot a / -> use rsync -avlx --delete /dir/tobackup/ /dir/tebackupto/ else it wil create and aditional dir) |
| 19:30.14 | simNIX | gonna talk a walk - laterzzz |
| 19:30.14 | simNIX | take |
| 19:30.27 | r-p | !wireless |
| 19:30.27 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 19:30.57 | JordiGH | wishes for better debugging tools. |
| 19:31.12 | JordiGH | Is there no way to look at C++ STL stuff with gdb in a friendly way? :-( |
| 19:31.30 | abrotman | ask ##c++ ? |
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| 19:33.35 | JordiGH | They're only about standard C++ over there. |
| 19:35.06 | Dogfood | anybody here who looks after dpkg? ipmasq has a wrong url for the HOW-TO. |
| 19:35.17 | abrotman | JordiGH: STL isn't standard C++ ? |
| 19:35.31 | JordiGH | abrotman: A debugger isn't standard C++. |
| 19:35.38 | abrotman | Dogfood: what's wrong with that? |
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| 19:35.48 | abrotman | the URL goes to a HOWTO that is related |
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| 19:36.32 | JordiGH | Ooh, DDD is gonna go Qt. |
| 19:36.36 | Dogfood | say'd that there was nothing there |
| 19:36.42 | Dogfood | *said |
| 19:36.56 | abrotman | works fine here |
| 19:37.04 | Dogfood | nevermind then |
| 19:37.10 | Dogfood | false alarm |
| 19:37.14 | abrotman | but the ipmasq package is likely what you want |
| 19:37.39 | Dogfood | I googled it up so no problem |
| 19:37.49 | Dogfood | just thought it was outdated |
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| 19:38.19 | Dogfood | ...but now I am having problems with getting ipmasq working but that's a separate matter |
| 19:38.42 | abrotman | really? i thought it was pretty easy when i used it |
| 19:39.17 | Dogfood | it seemed easy too |
| 19:39.46 | Dogfood | seemed to run without problem too |
| 19:39.56 | Dogfood | but the other machine can't get net |
| 19:40.25 | wireddd | when I try to use asound as a user, I get lots of errors (though it works fine as root) http://www.pastebin.ca/1206815 |
| 19:40.43 | ehtom | anyone here installed debian onto a pen drive? |
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| 19:41.23 | Dogfood | does ipmasq work as a dhcp too or must ip set manually? |
| 19:41.23 | abrotman | Dogfood: if you don't setup the static IP stuff .. you can use a dhcpd |
| 19:42.20 | flower | simNIX: sorry I was away... maybe I can first copy the file system, it 11 gb on a 18gb partition and I made an ext3 partition of 16 gb on the extern hd for it.. |
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| 19:45.20 | christoz | hello i'm trying to dind whcich plugin for iceweazel need to play streamed radio see the error message, "The playback of this movie requires a Microsoft Media Server (MMS) protocol source plugin which is not installed." |
| 19:45.53 | christoz | find* |
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| 19:47.50 | CaT[t3] | the debian installer shell, when used from the main menu, has a white bg. s it possible to change that to something saner like white on black? |
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| 19:48.10 | abrotman | it's the installer .. how many times do you plan to install? |
| 19:48.24 | Dogfood | man ipmasq |
| 19:48.59 | Dogfood | err... wrong window >_>; |
| 19:48.59 | CaT[t3] | I don't care to change it permanently. I want to change it for this particular instance. |
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| 19:50.20 | flower | the systems complains that iceweasel is already running, i can't launch it... what to do? |
| 19:50.53 | abrotman | killall |
| 19:51.11 | Agiofws | does anyone know how to open a kml file online using google maps ? |
| 19:51.15 | flower | abrotman: killall iceweasel? as root? |
| 19:51.41 | abrotman | as you |
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| 19:52.10 | flower | iceweasel: no process killed |
| 19:52.15 | karsten | flower: as user. iceweasel-bin should be it. i think. |
| 19:52.33 | Dogfood | !dpkg dhcpd |
| 19:52.51 | karsten | flower: ps waux | grep icew |
| 19:52.54 | flower | iceweasel-bin: no process killed |
| 19:53.23 | CaT[t3] | argh. for the want of a 4th shell |
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| 19:54.17 | flower | killall firefox-bin did it |
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| 19:55.09 | karsten | flower: that'd be it then :-) |
| 19:55.25 | flower | kartsten: et al thanks |
| 19:56.19 | flower | ok now I want to copy my filesystem to an external hd and I want to have it bootable |
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| 20:03.08 | r-p | I am trying to set up ndiswrapper. Is this a valid .inf file for ndiswrapper ? : |
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| 20:03.27 | r-p | [autorun] |
| 20:03.27 | r-p | OPEN=autorun.exe |
| 20:03.34 | abrotman | no |
| 20:03.36 | zinx | r-p: what card? |
| 20:03.38 | abrotman | it wants the driver inf file |
| 20:04.05 | r-p | zinx: NetGear, Inc. WN111(v1) RangeMax Next Wireless [Marvell TopDog] |
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| 20:05.26 | r-p | abrotman: that's the only .inf file on the cd |
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| 20:06.48 | abrotman | r-p: no way! |
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| 20:06.59 | abrotman | r-p: it might be inside an exe .. got a URL to the driver download ? |
| 20:07.16 | r-p | abrotman: yeah that's what im thinking |
| 20:07.38 | r-p | Is there a way to extract exe's by any chance ? |
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| 20:07.42 | abrotman | unzip ? |
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| 20:07.56 | avu | cabextract might work |
| 20:07.57 | zinx | unshield, cabextract, unzip, unrar, probably various others |
| 20:08.11 | zinx | depending on what's actually in the .exe |
| 20:08.26 | zinx | oh, there's probably some nullsoft extracter too |
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| 20:10.20 | seed_ | hi is there anyone who has this problem with firefox-3 when I go on www.meebo.com it crashes ? |
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| 20:12.55 | N1ckR | Hi, ext3 - I've seen many recommendations to disable write caching, but in reality is there much of a problem ? |
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| 20:17.37 | silver13 | hola |
| 20:18.14 | JordiGH | ain't no holaback girl. |
| 20:18.42 | silver13 | no I boy |
| 20:19.10 | silver13 | whre are you from? |
| 20:19.17 | JordiGH | The internet. |
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| 20:20.21 | silver13 | where are you from? |
| 20:21.01 | JordiGH | The internet. |
| 20:21.08 | silver13 | I an from mexican |
| 20:21.22 | silver13 | and you |
| 20:21.25 | JordiGH | !es |
| 20:21.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:21.28 | N1ckR | thats a long way from the internet ! |
| 20:21.42 | silver13 | que paso |
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| 20:22.22 | silver13 | estoy a qui por una practica de cisco |
| 20:22.23 | ehtom | how can I make grub use UUID's instead of /dev/whatever ? |
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| 20:23.12 | silver13 | alguien save como trasferir archivos |
| 20:23.23 | silver13 | eso me lo pide la practica |
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| 20:24.12 | JordiGH | silver13: Vamos a discutirlo a #debian-es |
| 20:24.25 | silver13 | ok |
| 20:24.38 | N1ckR | !tacos |
| 20:24.38 | dpkg | tacos are the only thing that has meaning in life |
| 20:25.09 | iaindalton | Is there documentation for /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates? I'm trying to find all manually installed packages. |
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| 20:25.24 | r-p | dpkg: roast sweetcorn dipped in lemon juice |
| 20:25.24 | dpkg | r-p: I give up, what is it? |
| 20:25.35 | r-p | delicious is what it is |
| 20:27.13 | arikonm | hi all! could anybody help me in iwlwifi? it seems like everything is ok, but I can't authenticate to the acces point |
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| 20:28.12 | JordiGH | arikonm: Which Linux are you using? 2.6.26? |
| 20:28.20 | arikonm | JordiGH, a sec |
| 20:28.46 | arikonm | 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 20:29.04 | arikonm | is that kernel b0rked? |
| 20:29.18 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | how do i quit the x server in debian? i need to install the nvidia driver for which i need to quit x |
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| 20:29.44 | arikonm | sh4d3sl4y3r_, ctrl alt f1 killall kdm or gdm with root |
| 20:29.55 | JordiGH | arikonm: Hrm. I've had issues with not being able to authenticate with anything on 2.6.26, but not on 2.6.24. Sorry. |
| 20:30.11 | JordiGH | arikonm: Isn't it enough to zap X? |
| 20:30.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol, no way to change the runlevel ? |
| 20:30.26 | arikonm | sh4d3sl4y3r_, man init :P |
| 20:30.30 | vampirefrog | hi guys. I'm trying to replace my current gentoo installation with debian. I can't boot from liveCD, cause the kernel doesn't detect my hdd and cdrom for that matter, so I'm trying to boot off an usb card reader, with a card of 1GB. my question is: if I put DamnSmallLinux on the card, will I be able to install debian from it? (I need it to have a custom kernel too) |
| 20:30.32 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
| 20:30.34 | JordiGH | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Debian doesn't define an X-less runlevel. |
| 20:30.44 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | oh |
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| 20:31.07 | zinx | erh, don't killall gdm/kdm, just run /etc/init.d/[kg]dm stop |
| 20:31.13 | vampirefrog | sh4d3sl4y3r_, try /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 20:31.26 | vampirefrog | or kdm |
| 20:31.28 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | thanks |
| 20:31.30 | arikonm | what's the diff btw? |
| 20:31.42 | arikonm | it kills the daemon anyway |
| 20:32.00 | zinx | the init script uses start-stop-daemon properly |
| 20:32.04 | arikonm | cleaner stop? |
| 20:32.18 | zinx | yeah |
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| 20:32.43 | r-p | Are the .inf files used with ndiswrapper self-contained? do they reference anything outside the file? |
| 20:32.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | well it seems debian has almost a bsd style init script |
| 20:32.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | impressive |
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| 20:33.50 | vampirefrog | any ideas for my previous question? I'm basically trying to install debian from an usb device, and with a custom kernel |
| 20:34.29 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | oh man, wish i could help you, me myself, i am a debian noob, trying to find my path and know it properly lol :P |
| 20:34.51 | patrikf | vampirefrog: did you have a look at http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall ? |
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| 20:36.23 | patrikf | vampirefrog: oh, your problem is the hdd. which livecd did you use? |
| 20:36.51 | vampirefrog | netinst |
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| 20:37.12 | vampirefrog | maybe an old one, i dunno... well now I don't have another blank cd either |
| 20:37.12 | vampirefrog | :) |
| 20:37.38 | vampirefrog | I'll try the usb stick version, see what it does... |
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| 20:38.47 | flower | I want to make a backup of my filesystem. Is this the right command? rsync -avlx --delete /dir/tobackup/ /dir/tebackupto/ |
| 20:38.52 | vampirefrog | but I was actually thinking of using netinst with a custom kernel |
| 20:39.09 | flower | how should I specify the extern disk for backup? |
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| 20:39.46 | flower | or should i mount the external disk first? |
| 20:39.47 | ASau | Debilian is the only platform that reports itself "i386-debian-linux-gnu" not as other sane platforms. |
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| 20:40.41 | ASau | flower: to backup file systems all sane platforms use dump(8). |
| 20:40.55 | iaindalton | Does anyone know the command to list all manually installed packages? |
| 20:40.59 | ASau | Of course, debilian differs. |
| 20:41.22 | flower | ASau: dump (8)? |
| 20:41.30 | ASau | flower: man 8 dump |
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| 20:41.53 | ASau | Of course, debilian is the best documented system among others. |
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| 20:42.25 | ASau | Because it has soo many qualified volunteers. |
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| 20:42.55 | flower | somethimes hard to read though, if you're not a geek |
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| 20:43.59 | ASau | Yeah, that's why all documentation on debilian is so much terser than on any other system. |
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| 20:44.41 | flower | terser? |
| 20:44.58 | war9407 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.05 | patrikf | ASau: if you don't like Debian-- no one forces you to use it :-) |
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| 20:46.23 | flower | can someone help me with the dump command? |
| 20:46.42 | ASau | patrikf: when debilian users will start asking you their stupid questions, you'll join the club. |
| 20:46.44 | flower | should I mount my external hd first? |
| 20:47.22 | ASau | Read the documentation, it should mention it. |
| 20:47.27 | ASau | If not, file PR. |
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| 20:47.37 | ASau | Make your developers work. |
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| 20:48.36 | patrikf | ASau: well, that sure depends on your users. For me, Debian is simply very convenient distribution. |
| 20:48.42 | patrikf | +a |
| 20:49.06 | ASau | With broken mktemp(1) and others. |
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| 20:50.28 | patrikf | ASau: what's wrong with mktemp? |
| 20:50.37 | blubberdiblub | i fail to see what's broken in mktemp |
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| 20:51.09 | ASau | "mktemp -t prefix" doesn't work as intended. |
| 20:51.19 | ASau | Your developers succeded to break it. |
| 20:52.02 | blubberdiblub | it works, only that you confuse the template with a prefix. read the manual |
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| 20:52.45 | ASau | blubberdiblub: -t is used for prefix. Read the original manual from OpenBSD. |
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| 20:53.48 | blubberdiblub | ASau, well, debian is linux, not bsd |
| 20:54.00 | ASau | mktemp is BSD tool, not debilian. |
| 20:54.13 | ASau | That's the point: debilian strives to differ in everything. |
| 20:54.26 | ASau | Even OpenSSL gets patched. |
| 20:55.00 | blubberdiblub | ASau, mktemp semantics happens to coincide with unix and solaris semantics. if bsd deviates, that's not our problem |
| 20:55.08 | daftd | debian is universal not just linux |
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| 20:56.25 | ASau | Since when Solaris isn't UNIX? |
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| 20:57.23 | qq- | ASau: witch own UNIX ? |
| 20:58.15 | ASau | Just for your information: |
| 20:58.17 | ASau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:58.22 | ASau | This is from UNIX. |
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| 20:58.43 | ASau | I have even spent some time to check your words. |
| 20:58.48 | ASau | You lie. |
| 20:59.27 | ASau | Even more against you: |
| 20:59.28 | ASau | MKTEMP(1) BSD General Commands Manual MKTEMP(1) |
| 20:59.56 | ASau | From the same UNIX. |
| 21:00.05 | abrotman | this is #debian .. not #unix |
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| 21:00.27 | hatems | hi all |
| 21:00.34 | ASau | abrotman: see above. |
| 21:00.43 | abrotman | i do see above |
| 21:00.48 | hatems | anyone try to install the last clamav version 0.94 |
| 21:01.10 | Chrom_ | hatems: yes, I did from source |
| 21:01.25 | ASau | Oh? |
| 21:01.33 | ASau | Debilian package system lags as usual? |
| 21:02.07 | abrotman | ASau: troll somewhere else |
| 21:02.27 | hatems | Chrom_, do u use a gui ? |
| 21:02.44 | Chrom_ | gui? what for? |
| 21:03.11 | abrotman | !tell hatems about volatile |
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| 21:04.18 | hatems | i'm using a debian server with a shared folder (MSW client) and some time the manager need to scan it |
| 21:05.20 | hatems | abrotman, in volatile only the 0.93 version is ok |
| 21:05.25 | Chrom_ | you mount the windows share and you wanna scan it with clam? |
| 21:05.27 | abrotman | hatems: no .. 0.94 |
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| 21:06.09 | hatems | abrotman, im under lenny |
| 21:06.15 | hatems | 0.93.3 |
| 21:06.58 | Chrom_ | hatems: why not from sources? |
| 21:07.05 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.07 | abrotman | i'd guess you oculd use the etch volatile stuff |
| 21:07.15 | abrotman | qq-: oftc wants you back |
| 21:07.30 | hatems | im downloading the source file now but im asking about the gui |
| 21:07.34 | hatems | gmaltk |
| 21:07.35 | qq- | abrotman: right |
| 21:07.39 | hatems | clamtk |
| 21:07.53 | abrotman | hatems: clamtk is in lenny |
| 21:07.56 | abrotman | 3.10 |
| 21:08.11 | NeonLightning | patrikf: texlive-latex-extra is the only result from apt-cache search currvita and it does have a resume portion but its in cls(i'm guessing common lisp source) but i have no clue how i'ed make use of it |
| 21:08.36 | hatems | im asking if any one use the lenny version of clamtk and a clamav build from source |
| 21:09.38 | patrikf | NeonLightning: you might want to install texlive-latex-extra-doc and read "texdoc currvita" |
| 21:09.43 | qq- | abrotman: i was dispensed from ... oftc |
| 21:10.59 | abrotman | wonder why ... |
| 21:11.30 | patrikf | NeonLightning: you can also read it on http://tinyurl.com/54owa6, especially chapter 4 should be of interest |
| 21:11.32 | dudeman | hey I can't find the name of that package that lets you control how gtk2 apps look from kde. It used to be called gtk2-engines-gtk-qt |
| 21:11.44 | dudeman | its not available in lenny anymore, does anyoen know what the alternative is? |
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| 21:12.27 | dudeman | (aptitude search retruns 4 diff ones) |
| 21:12.32 | patrikf | dudeman: it seems to have been renamed to gtk-qt-engine |
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| 21:13.01 | NeonLightning | patrikf: i'm reading that texdoc one and as soon as it tells me how to load it its going over my head i've never once used latex |
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| 21:13.18 | dudeman | patrikf, thanks |
| 21:13.23 | patrikf | NeonLightning: oh alright, then it might indeed be a bit complicated ;) |
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| 21:14.15 | Helljawz | hey |
| 21:14.23 | Helljawz | when debian lenny will be released? |
| 21:14.29 | dudeman | tomorrow. |
| 21:14.39 | Helljawz | tomorrow? |
| 21:14.42 | dudeman | yes |
| 21:14.42 | zinx | wir |
| 21:14.48 | dudeman | at 12:00:07 pm exactly |
| 21:14.51 | dudeman | to the atomic clock |
| 21:15.00 | Helljawz | really? or you're kiding? |
| 21:15.04 | dudeman | dude |
| 21:15.06 | dudeman | ffs. |
| 21:15.11 | patrikf | didn't you read the announcement? |
| 21:15.16 | dudeman | !wir |
| 21:15.16 | dpkg | from memory, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 21:15.17 | JyZyXEL | announcement? |
| 21:15.18 | Helljawz | nops |
| 21:15.21 | iaindalton | NeonLightning: google "lshort" if you're interested in LaTeX |
| 21:15.28 | dudeman | Helljawz, no one knows |
| 21:15.32 | dudeman | Helljawz, keep waiting. |
| 21:16.00 | Helljawz | dudeman hunf! |
| 21:16.09 | dudeman | Helljawz, I'm about to release lenny right now |
| 21:16.17 | dudeman | hang ona bout 1 minute.. |
| 21:16.26 | Helljawz | i've read on slashdot that it would be in september |
| 21:16.35 | dudeman | !slashdot |
| 21:16.37 | dpkg | Slashdot Headlines (9 of 15): Fast Booting Text-editor Operating System? ;; The Tell-All Campus Tour ;; Dirac 1.0.0 Released ;; How Telcos and ISPs Are Preparing For a Pandemic ;; Activision Goes After Individual Game Pirates ;; Open Source Licenses For Academic Work? ;; Inside VMware's 'Virtual Datacenter OS' ;; Endeavour Rolled Out As Rescue Ship ;; Comcast Discloses Throttling Practices. |
| 21:16.50 | karlpinc | And, there's gobs of outstanding bugs when I looked a week ago. |
| 21:17.10 | dudeman | Helljawz, /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 21:17.18 | abrotman | dudeman: that's not funny |
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| 21:17.57 | Helljawz | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/25/0027242 |
| 21:17.59 | NeonLightning | iaindalton: no i'm trying to make a resume or rather i was trying to figure out how to use openoffice templates or find another resume program and patrikf suggested i look into currvita |
| 21:18.00 | karlpinc | When there were that many bugs in etch it took a year to release. |
| 21:18.13 | abrotman | Helljawz: it's not right ... |
| 21:18.28 | dudeman | Helljawz, /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 21:18.46 | patrikf | NeonLightning: actually, I didn't read about the openoffice part. |
| 21:18.51 | abrotman | Helljawz: it's 9/20 .. and there are around 300RC bugs .. lenny will release when there are 0 RC bugs |
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| 21:19.36 | iaindalton | NeonLightning: You can use OpenOffice.org or LaTeX to make a resume, but I wouldn't say either is suited to it. You want desktop layout, not a word processor or a structured document typesetter. Try something like Scribus. It's easy to learn and you can make your resume look exactly as you want. |
| 21:19.53 | Helljawz | abrotman i got it... thanks.. |
| 21:20.03 | yigal | How can hidden essid's - just wep - be scanned for - via the command line? |
| 21:20.09 | yigal | or can they |
| 21:20.57 | NeonLightning | iaindalton: man yet another thing to download |
| 21:21.13 | blubberdiblub | yigal: hidden essids are hidden for the purpose of not being scanned for ;) |
| 21:21.47 | qq- | abrotman: don't worry , was a joke only |
| 21:22.02 | abrotman | wasn't |
| 21:22.34 | yigal | blubberdiblub: of course, I have set up a weakly encrypted, wep, network at home and I would like my computer to auto-scan to see if it can connect to it, and of course other known hosts |
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| 21:22.37 | iaindalton | NeonLightning: You'll like it, trust me. I used to emulate a Mac runing System 7 just so I could keep using PageMaker, but now Scribus is good enough, although not perfect. |
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| 21:23.03 | yigal | blubberdiblub: but the network is "hidden" |
| 21:23.27 | blubberdiblub | yigal: well, just let it try to connect. if it has the correct settings and key, and the signal strength is okay, it should work |
| 21:24.42 | yigal | blubberdiblub: this will of course slow down the script, but if it must be it must be |
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| 21:25.55 | yigal | blubberdiblub: so sniffing isn't easy even if I know the essid? |
| 21:25.57 | patrikf | yigal: you might have a look at wpa-supplicant (specifically wpa_roam or whatever it was called) or network-manager before writing your own scripts |
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| 21:26.54 | yigal | patrikf: I very much dislike nm, it still fails many times for non broadcasting essids, and I'm using wep not wpa because of an old laptop that doesn't support wpa |
| 21:26.57 | blubberdiblub | yigal: oh, you want to sniff on an already ongoing communication between other client and ap? well, that should be possible, afaik |
| 21:27.23 | patrikf | yigal: wpa_supplicant does WEP too, iirc |
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| 21:27.32 | yigal | patrikf: oh, that's good news |
| 21:28.27 | patrikf | yigal: be sure to look at the Debian-specific docs, there's support for it directly in /etc/network/interfaces. Not sure whether this holds for the roaming functionality too though. |
| 21:28.54 | yigal | patrikf: which is what I want it for :), ok will look though |
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| 21:30.14 | flower | how should i mount a external hd? or better what should be in the fstab? It has 2 ext3 partitions and 1 fat32 |
| 21:31.41 | flower | this? /dev/sdb /mnt/exhdd ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 21:32.04 | abrotman | /dev/sdb1 likely |
| 21:32.14 | abrotman | you need to find out which partition is which type |
| 21:32.44 | flower | sdb1 is ext3 2 is ext3 3 is fat |
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| 21:33.26 | abrotman | okay .. does it make more sense now ? |
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| 21:33.56 | JuNiOx | Hi all, I was configuring gmailfs but when tried mounting a filesystem got the error: "ImportError: No module named mechanize". Does anyone know where I can find such module? |
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| 21:34.29 | abrotman | JuNiOx: aptitude install python-mechanize |
| 21:34.37 | flower | abrotman: should i add an entry for each partition? |
| 21:34.46 | abrotman | probably .. and different mountpoints |
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| 21:35.19 | flower | and what is a mount point? /mnt/exthdd ? |
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| 21:35.47 | flower | is should be /mnt/exthdd1 /mnt/exthdd2 etc |
| 21:35.48 | flower | ? |
| 21:36.05 | JuNiOx | abrotman: tks man, I've installed python-mechanize, now getting "AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'Stat' =/ .. let me check this issue |
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| 21:36.24 | abrotman | JuNiOx: makes no sense to me .. |
| 21:36.28 | abrotman | flower: if you want that .. yes |
| 21:36.34 | abrotman | flower: not very descriptive .. but okay |
| 21:37.11 | flower | abrotman: what is more descriptive in you eyes? |
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| 21:37.28 | abrotman | maybe sometihng about the contents of each partition .. |
| 21:37.40 | flower | ok |
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| 21:38.44 | blubberdiblub | which would make a good volume label, too ;) which would help you to mount them in case the hd is enumerated as something else than sdb sometimes, without modifying anything |
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| 21:40.58 | flower | blubberdiblub: I can not change /dev/sdb is it? |
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| 21:41.02 | flower | or rename |
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| 21:41.27 | flower | How do I know if the /dev/sdb is always the good name for that device on my pc? |
| 21:41.51 | blubberdiblub | flower, what do you mean, change? |
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| 21:42.24 | flower | you talk about volume label... you mean /dev/sdb? |
| 21:42.30 | flower | change = rename |
| 21:42.37 | blubberdiblub | flower, no, sorry if i confused you |
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| 21:43.09 | flower | k |
| 21:43.28 | blubberdiblub | flower, /dev/sdb is the device name. the volume label is a name you can give to your partitions (but not to the whole disk). optionally |
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| 21:44.36 | Polizei | well, i have a general question, whats the name of the xfce4 volume control plugin? |
| 21:44.39 | ehtom | ok something wierd is going on... apparently rootfs and UUID=83c64...... are both mounted on / |
| 21:44.43 | Polizei | i just cant find it anywhere... |
| 21:44.43 | ehtom | any ideas? |
| 21:44.53 | blubberdiblub | flower, like calling one partition "photos" if it contains photos |
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| 21:45.30 | flower | blubberdiblub: k and the numbers will be 0 2 for all? |
| 21:45.58 | flower | like: /dev/sdb1 /mnt/exhddfile ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 21:46.20 | ubuser | hi guys |
| 21:46.24 | flower | I want to backup my system and want also be able to boot the extern hd |
| 21:46.25 | blubberdiblub | flower, erm, now we're talking about something else again, it seems *g* |
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| 21:46.46 | blubberdiblub | flower, /dev/sdb1 is partition number 1 of disk /dev/sdb |
| 21:46.48 | ubuser | i have a new external esata hard disk. i wonder in what fs to format it. xfs or jfs? what is better for speed and reliability? |
| 21:47.35 | flower | blubberdiblub: sorry *g*? |
| 21:47.36 | ehtom | ubuser: doesn't really matter, but xfs |
| 21:47.49 | jelly-home | ubuser: what's wrong with the good old ext3? |
| 21:48.33 | Soul_Eater | hey guys |
| 21:48.48 | Soul_Eater | i tried to install mplayer |
| 21:48.49 | flower | blubberdiblub: yes I know /dev/sdb1 is par nr 1... so I want three partitions to the fstab sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 right |
| 21:48.49 | blubberdiblub | flower, maybe forget about what i said about "volume labels" just for now, seems i confused the heck out of you with it ;) let's talk about your partitions and /dev/sdb instead :) |
| 21:48.49 | flower | ? |
| 21:48.49 | Soul_Eater | and got this msg http://pastebin.com/m1aa1c42b |
| 21:48.53 | blubberdiblub | flower, yes |
| 21:49.18 | flower | blubberdiblub: ok |
| 21:49.58 | flower | blubberdiblub: after device the mount point is set in fstab like /mnt/exhddfile right? |
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| 21:50.05 | blubberdiblub | flower, you need to make 3 mountpoints (empty directories). like mkdir /mnt/exthdd1 /mnt/exthdd2 /mnt/exthdd3. and then mount /dev/sdb1 etc. on the created mountpoints, respectively |
| 21:50.20 | blubberdiblub | flower, yes |
| 21:50.28 | ubuser | jelly-home: i read ext3 is slow. ehtom: i read xfs is not so reliable |
| 21:50.29 | flower | blubberdiblub: then file system for example ext3 |
| 21:50.43 | flower | blubberdiblub: then two numbers.... which numbers? |
| 21:50.55 | ehtom | ubuser: ext3 is not particularly slow and xfs is very reliable on GOOD hardware |
| 21:51.20 | Soul_Eater | someone? |
| 21:51.21 | abrotman | shouldn't he be asking #ubuntu? just a guess based on nick |
| 21:51.31 | phorce1 | names "extra" drive mount points the size of the drive (I tend to just make one big ext3 partition on storage drives). So, I have /320, /750, etc. |
| 21:51.36 | Polizei | ubuser, what about reiser? |
| 21:51.38 | abrotman | Soul_Eater: paste your sources.list |
| 21:51.42 | abrotman | Polizei: crap all around |
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| 21:51.43 | flower | blubberdiblub: I want to mount a partition which will become the file system, a /home dir and a fat32 partition |
| 21:51.43 | blubberdiblub | flower, man fstab |
| 21:51.46 | ubuser | ehtom: what is supposd to be good hardware. i just dont have UPS |
| 21:51.55 | spx2 | what do I need to install in order to compile code that uses #include "sdl.h" ? |
| 21:51.56 | abrotman | ubuser: which version of debian? |
| 21:51.58 | ubuser | polizei: i read reiser is very slow to mount |
| 21:52.05 | abrotman | spx2: libsdl-dev and friends |
| 21:52.06 | ubuser | abrotman: etch |
| 21:52.08 | spx2 | what do I need to install in order to compile code that uses #include "sdl.h" ? libsdl or libsdl-dev ? |
| 21:52.20 | spx2 | abrotman: but libsdl asks me to install nvidia-kernel stuff.. |
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| 21:52.24 | spx2 | abrotman: will that work for me ? |
| 21:52.29 | abrotman | ubuser: i'd personally use ext3 or fat32 .. depending on needs |
| 21:52.31 | jelly-home | Polizei: reiserfs has issues |
| 21:52.34 | wols | ubuser: use ext3 |
| 21:52.35 | blubberdiblub | flower, what do you mean with "will become the file system"? do you mean the root filesystem? |
| 21:52.38 | abrotman | spx2: that makes no sense |
| 21:52.46 | flower | blubberdiblub: yes |
| 21:52.48 | ehtom | ubuser: scsi disk... although a new sata disk may class as "good hardware" for the purposes of xfs |
| 21:53.10 | flower | blubberdiblub: of my backuped system |
| 21:53.13 | Soul_Eater | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d2fb5b3f1 |
| 21:53.35 | abrotman | Soul_Eater: where's your main etch source? |
| 21:53.42 | ubuser | ehtom: if power goes down, then data is lost at xfs? i think xfs is doing only metadata and not block journaling, right? |
| 21:53.45 | jelly-home | ehtom: anything that has a chance to be yanked out of the system while in use != good hardware |
| 21:53.50 | Clown | is that anyway that i can increase the number of ports availabe for torrenting? |
| 21:53.51 | spx2 | abrotman: I'll try to install it and if I get into trouble I'll come back |
| 21:53.52 | flower | blubberdiblub: so I want to copy my root filesystem to that partition and want to be able to boot the hd |
| 21:53.58 | blubberdiblub | flower, ah, i see. but making it directly bootable from the external one will require a bit work |
| 21:54.14 | abrotman | ubuser: tht was fixed a long time agou |
| 21:54.30 | ehtom | jelly-home: you yank your sata disks out of the system? |
| 21:54.30 | flower | blubberdiblub: how should i do it? |
| 21:54.30 | wols | Clown: makes no sense |
| 21:54.33 | abrotman | well "fixed" supposedly |
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| 21:55.00 | ubuser | abrotman: then the pages and comparisons that i read at google are quite old (2 years). u mean that now xfs has block journaling? |
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| 21:55.13 | abrotman | !tell ubuser about u |
| 21:55.15 | Clown | on XP , i believe that's a way to increase the number of half open ports |
| 21:55.17 | abrotman | ubuser: i believe so .. |
| 21:55.20 | jelly-home | !xfs |
| 21:55.20 | dpkg | The filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support, see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ Data lossage on power failures is fixed since like 2.6.17, see eg. http://lwn.net/Articles/279036/ Supposedly not as mature, in linux, as <ext3>. |
| 21:55.24 | abrotman | see |
| 21:55.48 | ubuser | cool! |
| 21:55.51 | jelly-home | etch has 2.6.18 and 2.6.24 |
| 21:55.55 | blubberdiblub | flower, well, there are many ways. are you using an initrd to boot your system? if so, i'd really suggest either giving your partitions volume labels or using their uuids (later, when booting from the ext, not now) |
| 21:55.59 | phorce1 | Clown: That's because XP is broken out-of-the-box |
| 21:56.08 | ubuser | i have newer kernel ;) |
| 21:56.19 | abrotman | which kernel is that? |
| 21:56.20 | wols | ubuser: you should ask in #ubuntu |
| 21:56.26 | abrotman | ubuser: uname -a |
| 21:56.47 | ubuser | i have newer than .17 so i ahve the support. thanks for the info |
| 21:56.50 | abrotman | ubuser: uname -a |
| 21:57.08 | flower | blubberdiblub: ok, I will check it out later... when if have more time, thanks for now |
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| 21:57.22 | Soul_Eater | abrotman: deb http://www.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/debian-multimedia/ stable main |
| 21:57.31 | ubuser | i have 2.6.21 64bit intel |
| 21:57.31 | abrotman | no .. that's not a main etch source |
| 21:57.35 | abrotman | ubuser: uname -a |
| 21:57.39 | Soul_Eater | lol |
| 21:57.47 | abrotman | if you can't tell me .. i'll assume you're an ubuntu user |
| 21:57.52 | abrotman | and then you're offtopic |
| 21:57.59 | ubuser | yes abrotman. i use both ubuntu and debian |
| 21:58.02 | ubuser | 2 machines |
| 21:58.05 | ubuser | now i m at ubuntu |
| 21:58.09 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol @ ubu |
| 21:58.10 | abrotman | Soul_Eater: it would be like "deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" |
| 21:58.14 | abrotman | ubuser: go ask #ubuntu |
| 21:58.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
| 21:58.28 | ubuser | is there any difference? |
| 21:58.30 | abrotman | YES |
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| 21:58.37 | ubuser | ok |
| 21:58.37 | trigpin | hi need help is there a way to blitz my user gnome settins debian lenny |
| 21:58.47 | wols | trigpin: "blitz"? |
| 21:58.47 | ubuser | thanks |
| 21:58.53 | ubuser | !jfs |
| 21:58.53 | dpkg | it has been said that jfs is Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Fast and very reliable. Performance has improved significantly since initial release(s). Give it a try!, or http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ |
| 21:58.54 | abrotman | trigpin: mv the .gnome .gconf .gconf2 to something else |
| 21:58.56 | abrotman | ubuser: STOP |
| 21:59.00 | trigpin | wols, get rid of |
| 21:59.06 | blubberdiblub | flower, first copy your data over to your freshly mounted partitions. use the -x option, if you're using cp. so you can tell it not to leave a filesystem when copying - provided your current system is also set up in 3 partitions right now, of course. otherwise you'll have to figure out by hand where to put what |
| 21:59.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !xfs |
| 21:59.07 | dpkg | The filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support, see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ Data lossage on power failures is fixed since like 2.6.17, see eg. http://lwn.net/Articles/279036/ Supposedly not as mature, in linux, as <ext3>. |
| 21:59.41 | ubuser | !ext3 |
| 21:59.41 | dpkg | hmm... ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about <ext2->ext3>, <xfs>, <ricerfs> and <filesystems>. FAQ - http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
| 21:59.43 | jelly-home | !msg the bot |
| 21:59.43 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 21:59.47 | abrotman | lay off the damn bot |
| 22:00.00 | abrotman | ubuser: and you've been told to ask in #ubuntu |
| 22:00.19 | ubuser | thanks. i ll ask bot. i ll also ask ubuntu |
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| 22:01.11 | trigpin | abrotman, if i move it , will gnome simply jsut great a new one ? |
| 22:01.17 | abrotman | when you login .. yes |
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| 22:01.45 | trigpin | abrotman, ok thanxs and i guess there in home folder ? |
| 22:01.50 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:02.00 | trigpin | abrotman, you are he man =) |
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| 22:02.03 | abrotman | there are settings for other applications outside those directories |
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| 22:02.24 | Soul_Eater | abrotman: thanks |
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| 22:02.28 | ehtom | abrotman: asking people to ask in #ubuntu is like asking people to phone AOL technical support :D |
| 22:02.30 | abrotman | Soul_Eater: got it working ? |
| 22:02.38 | Soul_Eater | yea |
| 22:02.38 | hatems | hi all |
| 22:02.50 | abrotman | ehtom: not my problem .. ubuntu users are some of the worst people on freenode .. they just keep asking random channels til they get the wrong answer |
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| 22:02.55 | hatems | still getting error with my clamav |
| 22:03.20 | hatems | ./clamscan: error while loading shared libraries: libclamav.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:03.28 | abrotman | hatems: in lenny? |
| 22:03.51 | ehtom | abrotman: maybe... although one of the reasons for that is the sheer incompetance of whoever manages #ubuntu... when I ran ubuntu as a desktop I answered people's questions in there from time to time and all I got was abuse about the channel rules |
| 22:04.01 | abrotman | oh well |
| 22:04.31 | abrotman | hatems: you're using some unofficial application .. there is a libclamav.so.4 in lenny |
| 22:04.41 | abrotman | or the app needs a bug filed against it |
| 22:05.09 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm compiz seems to work fine :) |
| 22:05.17 | jelly-home | hatems: how did you install that copy of clamscan? |
| 22:05.36 | Knorrie | sh4d3sl4y3r_: l33t |
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| 22:05.45 | Knorrie | :) |
| 22:05.48 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
| 22:06.11 | jelly-home | /msg dpkg nickometer sh4d3sl4y3r_ |
| 22:06.33 | amphi | heh |
| 22:06.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | and wat exactly is nickometer |
| 22:06.55 | abrotman | just ignore it |
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| 22:08.34 | yigal | blubberdiblub patrikf: iwlist, for this particular card, shows the hidden essid's mac address so I just made a script that first checks if iwlist finds a network with the mac. address of the router and then it connects, although I guess I should look at wpa_sup. for now this is enough |
| 22:09.47 | patrikf | yigal: indeed. if you ever bother to look into it, dpkg -L wpasupplicant | grep roam |
| 22:09.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | well i have a few ntfs partitions , when i try to mount them as a normal user "You are not privileged to mount the volume 'Moozik-1'." comes. solution? |
| 22:10.16 | hatems | yes in lennu abrotman |
| 22:10.31 | abrotman | unofficial binary |
| 22:10.39 | hatems | no |
| 22:10.40 | abrotman | hatems: where did you get that ? |
| 22:10.46 | hatems | build from source |
| 22:10.54 | abrotman | on the same box? |
| 22:11.00 | hatems | yes |
| 22:11.10 | abrotman | it shouldn't be asking for .5 |
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| 22:11.20 | da_dude | how do i hostmask on irc? |
| 22:11.23 | hatems | i explain |
| 22:11.24 | da_dude | anyone know how? |
| 22:11.26 | jelly-home | abrotman: there was a change in abi |
| 22:11.54 | jelly-home | abrotman: (and there is a 0.94 with libclamav5 in unstable now) |
| 22:11.58 | hatems | in first time i install the 0.93.3 from volatile |
| 22:12.19 | hatems | and after that i uninstall it |
| 22:12.32 | hatems | and build a binary from source |
| 22:12.41 | hatems | version 0.94 |
| 22:12.49 | jelly-home | hatems: you didn't install your self-built binaries, so they couldn't find the library |
| 22:13.04 | abrotman | jelly-home: i get why .. but apparently he did something wrong |
| 22:13.23 | hatems | yes |
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| 22:13.32 | jelly-home | nope, it was ./clamscan, he just didn't install it yet |
| 22:14.16 | hatems | i install it correctly but for unknown reason it refuse to work in root mode |
| 22:14.37 | jelly-home | hatems: where is this "./clamscan"? |
| 22:14.48 | hatems | i need to run it manual from /usr/local/bin |
| 22:14.53 | hatems | i need to run it manualy from /usr/local/bin |
| 22:15.07 | jelly-home | hatems: answer the question please |
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| 22:15.37 | hatems | i run it from /usr/local/bin |
| 22:15.54 | jelly-home | hatems: do you not have /usr/local/bin in PATH? |
| 22:15.59 | JohnnyL | how do I determine what PID's package name is? |
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| 22:16.02 | hatems | yes |
| 22:16.27 | abrotman | JohnnyL: you have the binaryname? dpkg -S or apt-file |
| 22:17.04 | JohnnyL | abrotman no, i'm retrieving the entry from top. |
| 22:17.40 | JohnnyL | i installed packages i want removed but do not know which or where they are. i know how to remove packages just know by id. i was told 'check' did this but that doesn't appear to work. |
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| 22:18.43 | JohnnyL | bbiaf |
| 22:19.29 | jelly-home | hatems: you'll need to figure out where did clamav install its libclamav.so.5 first, and if it's in /usr/local/lib, pastebin the output of "cat /etc/ld.so.conf /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf" |
| 22:20.34 | jelly-home | hatems: instead of building it from source and installing in /usr/local, it might have been easier if you'd just backported the sid package |
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| 22:22.22 | harmattan | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.40 | XtypeWriter | Hi, what is the command for putting lilo as MBR on a floppy Disk ? |
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| 22:23.41 | wols | XtypeWriter: /sbin/lilo |
| 22:23.51 | wols | harmattan: lsusb |
| 22:24.26 | wols | JohnnyL: check your dpkg.log |
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| 22:25.27 | harmattan | wols: I know it loads rt73 and rt2something for the rt2570 chipset. What I don't know is if there is some non-free software non declared. |
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| 22:26.23 | wols | harmattan: yes there is firmware |
| 22:26.37 | ki11bi11 | how does debian get rid of parts and joins on this chanel |
| 22:27.06 | wols | ki11bi11: that's a function of your irc client, not "debian" |
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| 22:27.49 | harmattan | wols: I thought there was a (totally)free module for that. NetBSD seems to be using one (those good BSD guys) :-) |
| 22:28.00 | wols | !tell harmattan about rt73 |
| 22:28.07 | XtypeWriter | wols i don't it, each time i do /sbin/lilo -M /dev/sda <--floppy drive i get this message: /boot/boot.0800 exists - no /dev/sda backup copy made. |
| 22:28.08 | XtypeWriter | The Master Boot Record of /dev/sda has been updated |
| 22:28.09 | ki11bi11 | wols, i thought i saw in the intro that this channel blocks them |
| 22:28.09 | abrotman | ki11bi11: depends on your client |
| 22:28.20 | abrotman | no |
| 22:28.29 | a-slack | harmattan rt2570 no needs binary firmware, rt73 yes |
| 22:28.38 | wols | XtypeWriter: and what is your problem? |
| 22:28.57 | XtypeWriter | wols or should i edit an copy /boot/boot.0800 to the floppy ? |
| 22:29.03 | ki11bi11 | abrotman: ok, i must have something earlier...wonder what it was? |
| 22:29.09 | wols | XtypeWriter: read more carefully before you ask |
| 22:29.10 | ki11bi11 | puzzled |
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| 22:29.38 | jelly-home | XtypeWriter: your floppy device looks like a scsi disk? interesting. |
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| 22:30.53 | harmattan | a-slack: mmmh. Yes, BLAG 70K still depends on it. Too bad I am still trying to compile rt2570 for gNewSense... |
| 22:31.00 | abrotman | ki11bi11: but if it's xchat or irssi .. it's fairly easy |
| 22:31.21 | ki11bi11 | chatzilla |
| 22:31.28 | abrotman | nfc .. but i'm sure it's not too hard |
| 22:31.40 | abrotman | /IGNORE #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS .. maybe ? |
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| 22:32.06 | abrotman | harmattan: why are you asking here then ? |
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| 22:32.17 | jelly-home | ... EATS SHOOTS LEAVES? |
| 22:32.17 | JohnnyL | wols oh ok |
| 22:32.23 | JohnnyL | wols thats the only way? |
| 22:32.27 | XtypeWriter | jelly-home its USB |
| 22:32.39 | JohnnyL | wols i want to clear ram, not my hard disk. |
| 22:32.55 | jelly-home | XtypeWriter: ah. less interesting, then :-| |
| 22:33.06 | XtypeWriter | jelly-home and a pain |
| 22:33.40 | jelly-home | XtypeWriter: "The Master Boot Record of /dev/sda has been updated" means "yes, I've written it" |
| 22:33.42 | XtypeWriter | jelly-home am looking for an internal for my Laptop |
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| 22:33.57 | wols | JohnnyL: packages aer not installed to RAM |
| 22:34.14 | jelly-home | XtypeWriter: no cd/dvd device? |
| 22:34.25 | XtypeWriter | jelly-home but the only thing on the ext2 floppy is lost and found and nothing |
| 22:34.38 | wols | XtypeWriter: have you checked? |
| 22:34.47 | JohnnyL | wols, at boot up they are loaded into ram. but this is all very remedial. |
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| 22:34.56 | jelly-home | XtypeWriter: and? a boot sector is not a part of the filesystem |
| 22:35.04 | wols | JohnnyL: not a single .deb package is loaded into ram |
| 22:35.14 | XtypeWriter | wols yes |
| 22:35.19 | wols | XtypeWriter: how? |
| 22:35.38 | wols | XtypeWriter: what do you expect to be on the floppy? |
| 22:35.47 | XtypeWriter | i mounted the /dev and did ls -a |
| 22:36.05 | XtypeWriter | like config file or such |
| 22:36.13 | XtypeWriter | i normally use syslinux |
| 22:36.17 | wols | XtypeWriter: lilo won't care about filesystems. config file is in /etc, always |
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| 22:36.48 | wols | lilo won't care about the config file when booting either |
| 22:37.03 | JohnnyL | wols applications are loaded into ram. and i want to get rid of these applications. what i *don't* want to do is go through every package or application on the hard drive. that would be *stupid*. |
| 22:37.06 | jelly-home | XtypeWriter: what are you really trying to do? |
| 22:37.12 | harmattan | abrotman: I ask here because not a single person in ubuntu, gnewsense and other debian based distros seem to have a clue about this damn thing. So as everything starts here as a distro... |
| 22:37.42 | abrotman | so ask ##linux .. not appropriate to ask here |
| 22:37.44 | wols | harmattan: run debian if you want support |
| 22:37.51 | wols | otherwise: ##linux |
| 22:38.18 | dudeman | in my /etc/fstab I have this: //laptop/public_html /home/stoned/public_html cifs username=stoned,password=password,rw,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000,defaults 0 0 <-- mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //laptop/public_html. public_html Disk public_html <-- Domain=[LAPTOP] OS=[Unix] Server=[Samba 3.2.3] |
| 22:38.21 | jelly-home | someone could make a ##debian-based! |
| 22:38.27 | dudeman | I can't figure out why its giving me that bS |
| 22:38.31 | harmattan | wols: I run it, both Etch and testing (very well in this one) |
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| 22:38.45 | dudeman | samba server has this share exported |
| 22:38.50 | dudeman | I can't mount it |
| 22:39.04 | jelly-home | dudeman: which release? |
| 22:39.07 | wols | dudeman: what if you try to mount manually without fstab? what if you use smbfs? |
| 22:39.12 | dudeman | lenny |
| 22:39.19 | dudeman | i have not tried manual or smbfs |
| 22:39.24 | harmattan | wols. abrotman: thanks anyway. I didn't mean to bother anyone. |
| 22:39.31 | dudeman | wols, should I try? |
| 22:39.52 | shamrock | dudeman: I missed a lot. What are you trying to share? Have you tried nfs? or must you use Samba? |
| 22:39.57 | ki11bi11 | abrotman: chatzilla has something called conference mode hich it automatically turns on when the number of people in a channel is ove the limit. You turn on the conference mode by setting the limit lower than the number of people in the cjannel. |
| 22:39.59 | wols | JohnnyL: each process id has a "cmdline" in /proc. you find what package is what from there |
| 22:40.13 | dudeman | its a windows server. |
| 22:40.19 | jelly-home | dudeman: it's a rtfm.... man mount: Mount options for cifs See the options section of the mount.cifs(8) man page (smbfs package must be installed). |
| 22:40.30 | dudeman | jelly-home, WTF! |
| 22:40.35 | dudeman | jelly-home, I have no man mount.cifs |
| 22:40.38 | dudeman | oh |
| 22:40.49 | dudeman | its the smbfs apckage no shit, I had just installed smbclient |
| 22:40.55 | JohnnyL | wold oh ok |
| 22:41.09 | dudeman | see there it oes |
| 22:41.12 | dudeman | jelly-home, thanks man |
| 22:41.16 | JohnnyL | wols thanks |
| 22:41.20 | dudeman | wols, too |
| 22:41.46 | dudeman | can't you mount shares using smbclient too? |
| 22:41.52 | dudeman | why did I only install this and not the other? |
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| 22:43.08 | soulchild | Hi all,... how do I backup files into a tar archive with rsync ? |
| 22:43.56 | simNIX | you dont; rsync syncs files - tar make tat's |
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| 22:44.03 | simNIX | s/tats/tars |
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| 22:44.23 | soulchild | simNIX: hmmm,.... okay,.. thank you |
| 22:44.24 | spowers | how can i use normal apt-get/apt-cache sorts of utilities to get a list of all packages in a particular apt source? |
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| 22:44.37 | simNIX | yw |
| 22:44.38 | spowers | (without guessing at package names) |
| 22:44.40 | dudeman | spowers, what do you mean? |
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| 22:45.59 | spowers | i just added a custom apt archive to my sources.list, ran apt-get update. i know it's in my apt database and i know each package is associated with its source, so what i'm hoping is to be able to do apt-cache <something> and get a start towards knowing what packages are provided by that custom apt repo |
| 22:46.20 | spowers | (sorry, i mean repo, not the actual source code package) |
| 22:47.00 | abrotman | spowers: apt-cache policy <pkg on CD> |
| 22:47.55 | spowers | abrotman: looking for the reverse of that, or at least get a list of all packages with repository associated so i can grep for it |
| 22:48.17 | abrotman | should be a Packages file in /var/cache/apt/ or something like that |
| 22:48.24 | spowers | hm |
| 22:48.41 | spowers | there we go |
| 22:48.57 | stew | spowers: zless /var/lib/apt/lists/foo.Packages.gz |
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| 22:49.00 | spowers | grep Package /var/lib/apt/lists/adsfasdf |
| 22:49.15 | spowers | great! thanks |
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| 22:49.29 | stew | spowers: if you want to do more sophisticated searches on those files use the grep-dctrl package |
| 22:49.50 | spowers | ah, i've heard of that one before but of course forgot about it |
| 22:49.59 | spowers | didn't really know what it was for |
| 22:50.02 | spowers | now i know! |
| 22:50.30 | abrotman | and knowing is half the battle |
| 22:50.59 | jelly-home | not knowing, the other half |
| 22:51.22 | abrotman | adventure! |
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| 22:52.08 | soulchild | how do you guys make a system backup ? |
| 22:52.16 | abrotman | little magnets |
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| 22:52.38 | jelly-home | rsync and prayer |
| 22:52.47 | soulchild | prayer ? |
| 22:53.00 | jelly-home | make that a plural |
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| 22:53.13 | abrotman | rsyncs! |
| 22:53.24 | jelly-home | !penixstrike |
| 22:53.37 | soulchild | Ok, what if I want to backup into a tar archive ? |
| 22:53.37 | jelly-home | hm. |
| 22:53.44 | hatems | hi all |
| 22:53.53 | blubberdiblub | with parameter only i guess, jelly-home ;) |
| 22:53.54 | hatems | i found a solution |
| 22:54.18 | spowers | the more important question is how do you plan to restore your backups |
| 22:54.21 | hatems | i install the sid version |
| 22:54.35 | jelly-home | blubberdiblub: I used to work on a massive scale, too |
| 22:54.38 | jelly-home | it* |
| 22:54.42 | soulchild | spowers: It is just for emergency, If I break down the whole system |
| 22:55.11 | spowers | i read something in linux journal last week about zmanda, is that any good? |
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| 22:55.17 | spowers | (i mean, has anyone tried it?) |
| 22:55.24 | abrotman | amanda ? |
| 22:55.37 | spowers | nope, it's called zmanda.. funny, huh? |
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| 22:55.56 | spowers | it's supposed to be about restores more than backups |
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| 22:56.21 | Dogfood | is ipmasq supposed to allow another comp to net through this machine, just by installing it? |
| 22:56.40 | spowers | Dogfood: it works that way for me, yes |
| 22:57.03 | spowers | the machine you install ipmasq on should already have interfaces set up on internal and external networks |
| 22:57.29 | jelly-home | wtf. Jul 24 20:14:31 <Nyle> dpkg forget penixstrike |
| 22:57.35 | spowers | and it'll take whichever interface is on RFC1913 (like 192.168...) addresses and make that the internal, and the other one the external.. it does an ok job of figuring it out |
| 22:57.52 | spowers | er, not 1913, sorry |
| 22:57.56 | Dogfood | does it do dhcp too? |
| 22:58.10 | spowers | no, it does not, you'll need a separate package to do dhcp services |
| 22:58.35 | Dogfood | ok, so I need to set static ip and dns for the machine behind this one? |
| 22:58.37 | spowers | i used to use the ISC DHCPD package but for my home network i like dnsmasq now, since it's a dns cache as well, and integrates with the dhcp service automatically |
| 22:58.51 | spowers | Dogfood: static ip makes for easy troubleshooting to begin with |
| 22:59.04 | spowers | build your network one piece at a time :) |
| 22:59.50 | Dogfood | I tried dnsmasq already (I think I configured it right, at least by it's .conf file) no go |
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| 23:00.28 | Dogfood | so I killed that and now I'm trying to figure out how to do it with just ipmasq |
| 23:00.40 | ki11bi11 | is there a favorite browser based secure box manager, where you can admin a debian box using a browser? |
| 23:01.05 | spowers | dnsmasq does a separate job from ipmasq, even though they share that name.. they go good together though |
| 23:01.09 | Dogfood | got no idea how to find out what ip and dns to set to the other comp though |
| 23:01.54 | spowers | Dogfood: you just make it up. a lot of people just use 192.168.x.x |
| 23:02.13 | Dogfood | and dns? |
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| 23:02.24 | spowers | i use 192.168.1.x to try to avoid conflicts with out of the box linksys stuff that lives on 192.168.0.x |
| 23:02.45 | spowers | with a 255.255.255.0 netmask. i am rude and use 4.2.2.1 for dns instead of my ISP's dns server |
| 23:03.03 | ki11bi11 | Dogfood: no dns usually some people use host files |
| 23:03.29 | spowers | host files for internal stuff, certainly he needs to be able to resolve www.debian.org ;) |
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| 23:03.43 | netstak | Hi |
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| 23:04.26 | Malf | I just installed gnome along with all the packages required when installing gnome and suddenly dns won't resolve on startup any longer |
| 23:04.41 | Malf | I have a static IP set, running testing |
| 23:04.56 | Malf | if I run dhclient (which was installed when installing gnome) then I can get dns up |
| 23:05.00 | spowers | just a wild guess, is NetworkManager present? |
| 23:05.06 | spowers | i really hate that thing... |
| 23:05.08 | Malf | could be |
| 23:05.10 | Malf | would that hose me? |
| 23:05.11 | Dogfood | so dns can be anything as long as it's in 0-255 range? |
| 23:05.37 | spowers | Malf: i dunno, it seems to play nice with /etc/network/interfaces, but it does have that "roaming mode" that sort of takes over |
| 23:05.46 | spowers | Dogfood: dns needs to be a specific server |
| 23:06.44 | Dogfood | spowers: and that's what I was trying to figure out, what to set for the other comp |
| 23:06.44 | spowers | if you're configuring networking on a machine on your local network, you need its ip address, its network mask, its gateway, and its dns server. for example, one of my internal machines has 192.168.1.3 (ip), 255.255.255.0 (netmask), 192.168.1.1 (gw), and 4.2.2.1 (dns) |
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| 23:06.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 23:07.13 | Malf | spowers: Yeah network manager is running so I'll see if that's involved. Thanks for the tip. Now I have a direction to go in at least |
| 23:07.18 | spowers | dogfood: some people stick a dns cache on the gateway so you could use the same IP for both of those settings |
| 23:07.45 | karlpinc | spowers : I like a dns cache on each machine, also. |
| 23:07.47 | spowers | Malf: if you want static configuration, just make sure /etc/network/interfaces is set up and networkmanager is configured to not be roaming mode |
| 23:07.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Just a quickie: How do I prevent /etc/resolv.conf from being changed by the system? |
| 23:08.18 | Malf | spowers: alright. Looks like no roaming, assuming that network admin tool in gnome goes to network manager |
| 23:09.05 | Malf | spowers: looks like the install beat up my interfaces file on me. Thanks. |
| 23:09.10 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: alter your dhclient.conf to not ask for a router |
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| 23:09.14 | spowers | karlpinc: that's a good idea, introduces complexity, but can be a nice safety net i guess. what do you use, something like nscd? |
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| 23:09.39 | karlpinc | Dark_Apostrophe : Read the stuff in /usr/share/doc/dhcp*, and/or remove resolvconf or read it's instructions. |
| 23:09.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: What do you mean not ask for a router? |
| 23:09.59 | abrotman | erm .. not ask for dns |
| 23:10.14 | spowers | Malf: NetworkManager likes to modify /etc/network/interfaces. it does an ok job i think. it's not the rudest tool i've ever seen i guess. |
| 23:10.15 | karlpinc | spowers : I just install bind9. That way I don't have to learn something new. I forward all queries to the LAN's dns server for resolution. |
| 23:11.02 | Malf | spowers: Yeah it just commented out my DNS stuff assuming I'd want to grab it via dhcp which I don't |
| 23:11.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | karlpinc: Can't find any man pages or anything related to dhcp3-client |
| 23:11.12 | spowers | karlpinc: i found out about nscd when i implemented a centralized authentication setup at work. |
| 23:11.26 | spowers | Malf: great! :) |
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| 23:12.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: removed domain-name-servers from that config file |
| 23:12.22 | karlpinc | Dark_Apostrophe : I forget. I usually find stuff in /usr/share/doc/. You might also want to check the debian reference or install manuals. |
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| 23:13.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | karlpinc: I'll see if what abrotman told me works, if not, then I'll look around a bit more =) |
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| 23:14.56 | soulchild | Ok,... I found a good backup command,... does anyone find an error or has some corrections ? |
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| 23:15.25 | soulchild | tar cvzpf /media/sda1/debian21_09_08.tar.gz --exclude=/proc/* --exclude=/media/* --exclude=/sys/* --exclude=/dev/* --exclude=/home/error.log --exclude=/proc/* --exclude=/tmp/* / 2>/home/error.log |
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| 23:16.02 | jelly-home | likes dirvish |
| 23:16.16 | soulchild | proc is dublicated on exclusion ,... |
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| 23:16.47 | jelly-home | soulchild: do you have any sparse files? Does your tar cmdline handle them? |
| 23:16.57 | soulchild | sparse files ? |
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| 23:17.36 | soulchild | jelly-home: what is that ? |
| 23:18.13 | jelly-home | soulchild: files that are mostly zeroed, and the \0 bytes don't occupy disk space |
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| 23:19.00 | soulchild | jelly-home: I don't know of them, using a normal ext3 filesystem,... I think there shouldn't be a problem |
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| 23:19.29 | jelly-home | dd if=/dev/zero of=100GB count=0 bs=1G seek=100; ls -l 100GB |
| 23:19.32 | soulchild | Backup started .... (2.5 GB) |
| 23:20.01 | JohnnyL | wols - tried dpkg -S 'package name from top' and the packages still remain. |
| 23:20.25 | jelly-home | voila, a 100GB sized file that doesn't occupy disk space (but a bitch to backup on linux) |
| 23:21.37 | soulchild | jelly-home: No, I just have a 2.5 GB "normal" Desktop System ... :D |
| 23:21.43 | jelly-home | soulchild: that's all right, if you don't know, you probably don't have any |
| 23:21.50 | gabegundy | This kinda stuck me as funny: The dists directory is short for "distributions", and it is the canonical way to access the currently available Debian releases (and pre-releases). |
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| 23:22.03 | gabegundy | From the docs on debian FTP servers. |
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| 23:22.22 | soulchild | Hmmm maybe I shouldn't have used gzip ,.. maybe a simple tar file would be faster |
| 23:22.50 | cockroach | hey. just curious, i'm running xorg/radeon from experimental and get random lockups. since it's experimental i'm not going to file a bug or anything but i was wondering whether anyone was having similar issues... |
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| 23:23.22 | jelly-home | cockroach: I'd file bugs |
| 23:23.40 | jelly-home | is using video-intel from experimental |
| 23:24.14 | soulchild | jelly-home: me too,... the new glx and dri module work great,.. much better with compiz for example |
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| 23:24.36 | cockroach | jelly-home: really? i guess people are pretty busy preparing lenny and maybe the issue will have magically disappeared by the time lenny is out :) |
| 23:24.53 | abrotman | "random" isn't that helpful either .. if you could find out why |
| 23:25.03 | cockroach | jelly-home: you're only using the video driver, not the whole xorg from exp? |
| 23:25.31 | jelly-home | cockroach: it depends on newer xserver-xorg, so... |
| 23:25.44 | soulchild | cockroach: I think you have to,... there are dependencie problems if you don't |
| 23:25.50 | cockroach | i see. and you don't have and issues like random crashes with it? :) |
| 23:26.09 | JohnnyL | linux is free if your time is worthless. |
| 23:26.16 | jelly-home | cockroach: no |
| 23:26.28 | cockroach | jelly-home: okay, thanks. then it's probably the radeon driver, i guess... |
| 23:26.30 | soulchild | I use the whole Xserver from experimental, and have no problems (intel gma 965 |
| 23:26.36 | jelly-home | JohnnyL: we know? |
| 23:26.58 | abrotman | JohnnyL: is that all you wanted to say? |
| 23:27.01 | cockroach | after all, its version number is the very promising "6.9.0+git20080826.a3cc1d7a-2" :) |
| 23:27.47 | jelly-home | that's like almost a month old! Quick, build from newest git now |
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| 23:27.56 | cockroach | heh |
| 23:28.37 | soulchild | Woow,... DONE.... whole System (2.5 GB) backup in 8 Minutes into a gziped file (820 MB) |
| 23:28.40 | JohnnyL | what's the secret password to delete packages in debian? |
| 23:28.49 | cockroach | ****** |
| 23:28.54 | jelly-home | JohnnyL: please stop trolling |
| 23:28.56 | soulchild | cockroach: hahah good answer |
| 23:29.10 | soulchild | my is asd:,ö()123 |
| 23:29.13 | JohnnyL | jelly-home i'm very serious. |
| 23:29.16 | cockroach | :) |
| 23:29.35 | jelly-home | JohnnyL: plonk |
| 23:30.11 | JohnnyL | :p |
| 23:30.17 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
| 23:30.21 | soulchild | /quit/quit |
| 23:30.28 | soulchild | ups |
| 23:30.30 | Ace2016_- | is it possible to place a domain name alias? |
| 23:30.38 | JohnnyL | to hell with this, i think i'll go waste an hour and meditate on man pages. |
| 23:30.47 | Ace2016_- | i want to alias gmail.com or g.com to mail.google.com |
| 23:31.12 | jelly-home | Ace2016_-: to what purpose? |
| 23:31.42 | Ace2016_- | to stop a needless lookup and to stop opendns pointing the link to a place which keeps asking me to signin |
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| 23:32.54 | Ace2016_- | if i go to gmail.com it asks me to sign in, if i go to mail.google.com its fine |
| 23:33.21 | jelly-home | Ace2016_-: ever heard of them bookmarks? |
| 23:33.30 | cockroach | :) |
| 23:33.49 | Ace2016_- | oh yea forgot about that |
| 23:33.54 | Ace2016_- | thanks |
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| 23:33.56 | jelly-home | Ace2016_-: I mean, you can do it with a local dns, but I guess clicking on a bookmark might be easier |
| 23:34.07 | abrotman | or uh .. typing in the right url ? |
| 23:35.50 | jelly-home | changing the dns entry probably wouldn't do what he wanted anyway |
| 23:37.11 | cockroach | you could have it point to localhost and set up a tiny web server there doing a redirect. |
| 23:38.13 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 23:38.53 | cockroach | still in favour of that 'bookmark' thing, though :) |
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