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| 00:04.10 | guysoft42 | hey all, is there a way to get the package linux-kbuild-2.6.22 ? |
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| 00:10.54 | simNIX | is there a release data set for Lenny ? |
| 00:11.04 | jelly-home | !wwlr |
| 00:11.04 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 00:11.16 | simNIX | ty |
| 00:11.29 | jelly-home | simNIX: in short, no |
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| 00:11.34 | simNIX | k |
| 00:11.50 | dmoerner | at one point they were hoping for september 2008 but given that we are still waiting on the rc of the installer it will be a while yet |
| 00:12.02 | dudeman | !lenny status |
| 00:12.03 | dpkg | Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
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| 00:15.03 | simNIX | so time 4 me to grab latest snapshot and test |
| 00:15.09 | simNIX | tnx for info |
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| 00:17.54 | abrotman | !tell Agent_bob about root |
| 00:18.34 | Agent_bob | abrotman thank you. |
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| 00:18.50 | abrotman | oh .. you're not quite root |
| 00:19.04 | Agent_bob | if i ever irc as root i'll try to rememver that. :) |
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| 00:19.18 | mike-ekim | I created a user, but there is no .bashrc, and bash_profile files in $HOME |
| 00:19.31 | mike-ekim | and i copied /etc/skel/.bashrc over, but bashrc is not sourcing on login |
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| 00:20.15 | Agent_bob | i thought they moved to .bash_bashrc ? |
| 00:20.24 | mike-ekim | i am using Etcj |
| 00:20.28 | mike-ekim | Etch* sorry |
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| 00:21.26 | abrotman | created how? |
| 00:21.53 | Agent_bob | suspects useradd |
| 00:22.54 | mike-ekim | uhm, I ran useradd yes |
| 00:23.03 | abrotman | try it with adduser |
| 00:23.20 | mike-ekim | ah |
| 00:23.23 | mike-ekim | i have to delete this one |
| 00:23.25 | mike-ekim | :[ |
| 00:23.58 | Agent_bob | useradd has a switch to copy /etc/skel too. |
| 00:24.53 | mike-ekim | what would that be |
| 00:25.47 | Agent_bob | i have two "issues" neither of which are major, but the second is important to me. http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/453 details them if anyone cares to look. |
| 00:26.10 | Agent_bob | mike-ekim -m |
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| 00:27.43 | mike-ekim | thanks |
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| 00:29.18 | grendal_prime | hey abrotman thaks for the link earlyer about the repo. It was the same info i had already. However i did figure out what i was doing wrong on that(for the most part.) |
| 00:29.34 | Agent_bob | and here if the name of that pastebin offends you try this one. http://debian.pastebin.us/466 |
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| 00:30.38 | grendal_prime | but i got this other werid problem. Now apt is seeing the repository, i indexed the one file that is in there with dpkg-scanpackages and everything seems to be ok untell i try and install the package. At that pont i get a 404 error.?? |
| 00:30.50 | basix | i'm about to send my laptop for repairs. Now I've painfully put in Debian on this machine and God knows what those evil engineers might do to my machine. Anyway, is there a way to backup my ~250GB harddrive into a tiny drive which fits inapproximately 160GB external USB drive? When I get back I can restore it from this image. What softwares do you guys recommend to back up my machine? |
| 00:31.01 | abrotman | try a --print-uris .. see if they do actually work |
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| 00:31.43 | ribasushi_ | basix: what does df tell you - do you use all of these 250gb? |
| 00:31.56 | ribasushi_ | basix: if not - a simple copy in read only mode will suffice |
| 00:32.23 | grendal_prime | basix: i would use partimage |
| 00:32.24 | Agent_bob | tar maybe |
| 00:32.38 | grendal_prime | we use that for some pretty critical stuff. |
| 00:32.54 | grendal_prime | never has failed me thats for sure..and it only copys the actual data. |
| 00:33.25 | grendal_prime | has a gui for it...and compression is an option. you can partimage via ssh as well. |
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| 00:33.51 | Agent_bob | i have cloned remote systems with tar never has failed me either... |
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| 00:35.02 | grendal_prime | abrotman: my source.list entry for the repo is "http://myserver/myrepo/binary ./" |
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| 00:36.00 | grendal_prime | and like i say it see it there..throws it into the installable packages..i can search via aptitude and find the package, but for some werid reason when it goes to download it,...it gets a 404 error...hmm permissions maybe? |
| 00:36.36 | abrotman | wasn't what i asked |
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| 00:37.40 | grendal_prime | ? is that to me? |
| 00:37.44 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:38.10 | grendal_prime | well the apache log reads. File does not exist: /var/www-internal/packages/myrepo/binary/binary |
| 00:38.17 | grendal_prime | why is it showing binary twice |
| 00:38.26 | abrotman | apt-get --print-uris install <pkg in repo> |
| 00:38.43 | grendal_prime | i guess that would be my...ok sorry i didnt realize that was to me |
| 00:40.17 | grendal_prime | which line do you want? |
| 00:40.22 | abrotman | just one |
| 00:40.27 | grendal_prime | again it points to a dir that does not exists. |
| 00:40.34 | abrotman | then you setup something wrong |
| 00:40.42 | grendal_prime | grrrr |
| 00:40.43 | grendal_prime | ya.. |
| 00:40.44 | grendal_prime | hmm |
| 00:41.01 | grendal_prime | http://192.168.140.1/packages/myrepo/binary/binary/LRI-2.0.53.807.2.upgrade.deb' LRI-2.0.53.807.2.upgrade.deb_1.1-3_all.deb 20866 aefabcfe79c13c6e0ca05885f4f9bf9a |
| 00:41.34 | grendal_prime | alright...well i was setting up as a trivia repo if that helps.. |
| 00:41.50 | abrotman | so if you try to wget that package .. it fails .. right ? |
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| 00:42.51 | grendal_prime | let me try |
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| 00:44.12 | grendal_prime | ya still a 404 |
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| 00:44.19 | grendal_prime | werid..i know its in the dir..im looking at it |
| 00:45.43 | abrotman | what does the apache log say ? |
| 00:46.36 | grendal_prime | wait a min...all of my repos are under packages dir...but the source list for the other repos does not have that in it...hold on let me check that |
| 00:49.00 | grendal_prime | thats not it |
| 00:49.02 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 00:49.08 | grendal_prime | this is so frustrating |
| 00:51.21 | grendal_prime | it keeps looking into another dir, binary/binary. when theris only one... |
| 00:51.55 | Agent_bob | no body has dias why ssh is not using my ./.ssh/id_rsa key ? |
| 00:51.56 | grendal_prime | if i wget it with just the one dir, it gets it.. |
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| 00:52.15 | grendal_prime | Agent_bob: make sure you have most resecent ssl |
| 00:52.21 | grendal_prime | openssl and ssh |
| 00:52.48 | grendal_prime | if you have old weak key, it will not work...i had that problem last week on a machine that i thought had been upgraded |
| 00:53.00 | Agent_bob | grendal_prime again, it's only one account. another account is working smoothly |
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| 00:53.33 | grendal_prime | turns out the key was old, and needed to be regenerated. it was a baned week key..ya thats exactly the way mine was behaving. |
| 00:53.53 | Agent_bob | i thought ownership and perms but if it is i'm not seeing why |
| 00:54.20 | Agent_bob | http://debian.pastebin.us/466 if you're interested |
| 00:54.21 | grendal_prime | look at the client, upgrade ssh and openssl. you may need to regen you keypair and upload the new one to the server your connecting to. |
| 00:54.56 | grendal_prime | if the server has been upgraded, and your client has not..the blacklist will reject your id |
| 00:55.24 | Agent_bob | grendal_prime again if that were the case then all accounts on this box would fail. |
| 00:55.41 | grendal_prime | i cant remember what the error looks like..but its not very informative for security reasons probably. |
| 00:55.41 | Agent_bob | only one is. |
| 00:56.10 | Agent_bob | is grendal_prime a bot ? we are not communicating here. |
| 00:56.11 | grendal_prime | ok...well...like i say same situation i had...that fixed it... |
| 00:56.38 | abrotman | Agent_bob: no he's not |
| 00:57.00 | Agent_bob | abrotman k. thanks. one never knows these days |
| 00:57.59 | Sling | you mean you fail at the turing test? |
| 00:58.22 | grendal_prime | crap...i got to roll.. |
| 00:58.40 | grendal_prime | thanks for the ideas abrotman ill look more into what the hell is going on tonight. |
| 00:58.46 | grendal_prime | seeeeeeeeeeee yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 00:59.52 | Agent_bob | Sling @ /me ? |
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| 01:00.25 | Sling | well i meant something different, but yea |
| 01:00.38 | Quartermaster1 | how do you add/remove programs in Debian? |
| 01:01.07 | Sling | either with synaptic or with apt-get/aptitude |
| 01:01.18 | Sling | apt-get install <program> to install, apt-get remove <program> to remove |
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| 01:01.54 | Quartermaster1 | is there an irc chat program in Debian that I can add? |
| 01:02.04 | Sling | sure |
| 01:02.08 | abrotman | Quartermaster1: uhm .. tons |
| 01:02.13 | Sling | apt-cache search irc |
| 01:02.13 | Quartermaster1 | xchat? |
| 01:02.14 | abrotman | Quartermaster1: CLI or GUI ? |
| 01:02.16 | Sling | see that :) |
| 01:02.19 | Quartermaster1 | gui |
| 01:02.20 | abrotman | xchat works jsut fine |
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| 01:02.35 | Quartermaster1 | is it already loaded in Debian |
| 01:02.44 | Sling | not by default |
| 01:03.00 | Sling | but it is in the repository |
| 01:03.15 | Sling | apt-get install xchat |
| 01:03.17 | Agent_bob | irssi epic/bitchx ? |
| 01:03.28 | Sling | Agent_bob : he wanted GUI :) |
| 01:03.43 | Quartermaster1 | can Iok , I'll try that |
| 01:03.57 | Agent_bob | i was asking if either are default |
| 01:04.14 | Agent_bob | and xbitchx is gui sort of |
| 01:04.21 | abrotman | !tell Sling about why aptitude |
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| 01:04.29 | Sling | yea i know |
| 01:04.33 | Sling | habits.. |
| 01:07.29 | Agent_bob | anyone have or know of a good google script ? |
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| 01:07.36 | abrotman | google.com |
| 01:08.04 | Agent_bob | heh one in every croud |
| 01:08.44 | Agent_bob | abrotman i mean a cli search tool that will quarry google.com actually |
| 01:09.00 | abrotman | links |
| 01:09.07 | abrotman | or ask google itself |
| 01:09.11 | Agent_bob | that's a browser |
| 01:09.28 | abrotman | apt-cache search google ? |
| 01:09.40 | Sling | try goosh |
| 01:10.11 | Agent_bob | Sling k i'll look for it. |
| 01:10.28 | Sling | but i dont know if that also has a package for installation on your own system |
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| 01:11.45 | heroxbd | Hello guys. I am installed a "ajaxterm" which listens on localhost:8022. And I used apache proxy module over SSL to make it secure. My configuration file is at http://paste.debian.net/17640/. The problem is, the URL to visit it must be https://krass/ajaxterm/http://localhost:8022. But I would expect it https://krass/ajaxterm/. Am I missing something? |
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| 01:12.55 | Sling | heroxbd : try #apache |
| 01:13.44 | pingouin | what is the syntax for crontab to do something each 10 seconds or 30 seconds, i got it for each minutes like : */1 * * * * but dont understand how to do it for less ? |
| 01:14.14 | heroxbd | Sling: alright. |
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| 01:15.19 | Quartermaster1 | thx Sling got in on |
| 01:15.20 | Sling | pingouin : i dont think cron has <1min interval support |
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| 01:16.21 | pingouin | hmm, ok Sling thanks that solve answer my problem ;) |
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| 01:16.42 | Sling | you could do it with a script though |
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| 01:17.19 | Sling | while true; do <stuff>; sleep <seconds>; done |
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| 01:18.01 | pingouin | Sling: ok, thanks for the clue, i need to learn bash scriping ;) |
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| 01:18.29 | Sling | yes, that would be a good idea probably :) |
| 01:18.51 | Quartermaster1 | Sling how do I search for repositorities? |
| 01:19.18 | Agent_bob | of course using sleep you will add the executition time of the command, so it will crawl off the minute mark a bit. |
| 01:19.25 | Sling | Quartermaster1 : http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 01:19.31 | Quartermaster1 | ok, thx |
| 01:20.12 | Sling | Agent_bob : a dirty hack for that might be using watch |
| 01:20.52 | Agent_bob | yeah. |
| 01:21.01 | abrotman | if you were really interested .. you could store stop/start times ... etc .. do the math in the script |
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| 01:21.40 | Agent_bob | abrotman more than one methood of epidurmal removal for the feline |
| 01:21.51 | abrotman | Agent_bob: are you a bot? |
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| 01:22.01 | abrotman | Agent_bob: did you steal the grendal_prime AI ? |
| 01:22.01 | Agent_bob | noly on tuesdays |
| 01:22.07 | Agent_bob | only |
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| 01:22.28 | abrotman | oh .. bot with spell check |
| 01:23.44 | Sling | i hope it doesnt build its dictionary from user input in this channel |
| 01:24.18 | Agent_bob | i'm not finding anything on google about a script that will search google.com and i'm not seeing the source code for the goosh program either. but that would still be much heaver than i was wanting. |
| 01:24.25 | Agent_bob | heh. Sling :) |
| 01:24.43 | abrotman | Agent_bob: did you check freshmeat.net ? |
| 01:25.00 | Agent_bob | checked sourceforge.net |
| 01:25.16 | abrotman | Agent_bob: did you check freshmeat.net ? |
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| 01:25.59 | Agent_bob | if you'll wait long enough i'll answer yess...... |
| 01:26.52 | Agent_bob | abrotman any more sujestions ? |
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| 01:27.40 | abrotman | for what? |
| 01:27.50 | abrotman | you read through every entry at freshmeat already? |
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| 01:28.09 | Agent_bob | every entry ? it said didn't find it. |
| 01:28.18 | Malf | So I'm running xchat in gnome and I told it to use the textbox colors for the input box |
| 01:28.20 | abrotman | search for google .. not goosh |
| 01:28.33 | Malf | but it looks like gnome is overriding that with the system theme |
| 01:28.35 | abrotman | Agent_bob: i'm not going to search for you .. try reading |
| 01:29.01 | Malf | is there any way to get around this? excluding xchat from having the theme applied or something? |
| 01:29.48 | Malf | questions that don't really belong in #debian, courtesy of malf |
| 01:30.17 | shamrock | is it just me or is support for usb printers still garbage in lenny? My printer has just stopped working yet again. And its supposed to be one of the better supported ones. I will probably have to delete it in CUPS and re find it again. This is getting painful :-( Any suggestions on what is causing this gratefully received. |
| 01:30.25 | Agent_bob | abrotman i didn't ask you to search for it. i only asked if you "knew" of a script or app that would do that. short answer would be "no" and that's fine. thank you. |
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| 01:33.20 | adama | lenny = unstable? in sources.list? |
| 01:33.56 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.04 | ameyer | sid = unstable |
| 01:34.33 | ameyer | although I *think* you can use stable, testing, and unstable in sources.list |
| 01:34.46 | adama | thank you |
| 01:34.47 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.49 | adama | yep you can |
| 01:35.23 | Sling | qq- : yea i noticed quite a big freeze already in the release dept :) |
| 01:36.21 | shamrock | Sling: lets hope they sort out the installation of NVidia drivers a bit better than the current mad situation with Nvidia-glx versus nvidia-installer before they freeze. |
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| 01:36.41 | ameyer | I'd leave it as lenny, and change it to whatever lenny+1 is a bit after the release |
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| 01:37.00 | Sling | wm's are overrated anyway |
| 01:37.01 | dmoerner | ameyer: lenny+1 is squeeze |
| 01:37.09 | abrotman | ameyer: that is a horrible idea |
| 01:37.16 | abrotman | ameyer: don't tell people to mix versions |
| 01:37.26 | ameyer | abrotman: I'm not |
| 01:37.30 | abrotman | you just did |
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| 01:37.41 | qq- | anyway if someone will want use for ever testing , have to have only "testing' in sources list |
| 01:38.11 | ameyer | I thought testing tended to be a bit unstable immediately after releases |
| 01:38.23 | abrotman | if you want a stable release .. use stable |
| 01:38.32 | ameyer | where "unstable" == "broken |
| 01:38.53 | qq- | ameyer: wrong ... |
| 01:38.56 | Sling | testing is never "broken" |
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| 01:39.05 | abrotman | Sling: really? you sure about that? |
| 01:39.05 | Sling | or well, it shouldnt be |
| 01:39.25 | shamrock | abrotman: you dont really think "stable" means "working" do you? |
| 01:39.27 | Sling | its not like, hey this doesnt work with that, lets release it in testing |
| 01:39.45 | Sling | but no im not sure about that, i dont even have a testing box atm |
| 01:39.48 | abrotman | shamrock: stable in Debian terms is a known set of bugs .. yes, some things are still broken .. hopefully minorly |
| 01:40.06 | shamrock | yes I know. YOu made it sound like you thought "stable" would "work". It doesnt. |
| 01:40.11 | shamrock | (In many cases) |
| 01:40.16 | ameyer | abrotman: if what I was suggesting is mixing releases, so is doing a s/sarge/etch/ on a sarge box's sources.list and dist-upgrading |
| 01:40.19 | abrotman | in what case? |
| 01:40.29 | abrotman | ameyer: huh ? |
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| 01:40.42 | shamrock | abrotman: you are joking? Try looking at the hundreds of bugs listed against it. |
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| 01:41.04 | abrotman | shamrock: i said hopefully minorly |
| 01:41.05 | ameyer | etch just won't work in some cases |
| 01:41.12 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 01:41.22 | ameyer | hardware released in the last 2 years or so, for instance |
| 01:41.23 | shamrock | My point is simply that there is often confusion to what "stable" means. it does not mean "works". It means "frozen". Know bug set. |
| 01:41.31 | abrotman | ameyer: lies |
| 01:41.40 | abrotman | shamrock: i already said |
| 01:41.40 | ameyer | wonders if etch-and-a-half would work with a EEEPC |
| 01:41.41 | abrotman | that |
| 01:41.50 | Sling | ameyer : it does |
| 01:41.54 | shamrock | abrotman: what do you mean "ffs"? Are you in denial or feel personally insulted. Etch is garbage with newer HW. This is I know for a fact. |
| 01:42.01 | Sling | or well |
| 01:42.08 | Sling | you mean out of the box |
| 01:42.09 | abrotman | shamrock: really .. why is that? because a .24 kernel is too old for you? |
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| 01:42.32 | Sling | anyway i should be getting some sleep |
| 01:42.40 | ameyer | etch released with .18, right? |
| 01:42.42 | shamrock | abrotman: Whatever. You clearly feel personally mortified because Etch does not work on many peoples HW. I suggest you lighten up a bit. |
| 01:42.50 | shamrock | anyway cya. |
| 01:42.55 | abrotman | shamrock: try to be at least somewhat close to correct |
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| 01:43.05 | abrotman | ameyer: there is a .18 and a .24 available now |
| 01:43.08 | dmoerner | wow... |
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| 01:43.14 | ameyer | isn't sure what the status of the etch installer is currently with regards to installing .24 |
| 01:43.24 | abrotman | ameyer: etchnhalf |
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| 01:43.37 | shamrock | abrotman: was about to sign off. What on earth do you mean by try and be a little correct? I am correct. I tried etch. It did not work. |
| 01:43.50 | abrotman | shamrock: why not? which installer did you try? |
| 01:44.05 | dmoerner | shamrock: your argument shifted from "etch isn't stable" to "there are hundreds of open bugs!" to "it didn't work for me" |
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| 01:44.15 | shamrock | abrotman: Can't remember now. I know I spent a lot of time with it. |
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| 01:44.23 | abrotman | oh great argument |
| 01:44.24 | ameyer | on the other hand... |
| 01:44.37 | shamrock | dmoerner: There was no switch. YOu are clearly confused as to what stable means too. |
| 01:44.45 | ameyer | wonders if he could acquire a 386 and a CDROM, then install etch |
| 01:44.51 | abrotman | ameyer: no you could not |
| 01:44.53 | ameyer | guesses not |
| 01:45.02 | adama | so long weirdos |
| 01:45.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | a 486 on the other hand... |
| 01:45.04 | abrotman | ameyer: an older release you could .. like sarge |
| 01:45.14 | abrotman | depending on how much RAM the system had |
| 01:45.24 | ameyer | so etch doesn't work with some hardware |
| 01:45.36 | ameyer | don't point out my horrible logical errors there |
| 01:45.51 | shamrock | dmoerner: hint. It depends on context. Debian etch is "Stable". This does not mean "it just works reliably". What it means is that it has known bugs and nothing much changes, Stable. Not moving. |
| 01:45.53 | abrotman | ameyer: older machines? sure .. really depends how old you mean though |
| 01:46.03 | shamrock | anyway, this time I am off. Thanks for the chat. |
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| 01:46.12 | abrotman | ameyer: for instance .. i have a 486 with etch here |
| 01:46.16 | dmoerner | wow again... |
| 01:46.18 | ameyer | newer machines probably could have issues |
| 01:46.26 | abrotman | ameyer: that's what etchnhalf is for |
| 01:46.37 | ameyer | guesses etch might not like whatever Intel's latest GPU is |
| 01:46.55 | abrotman | actually .. part of etchnhalf was a newer driver for the intel video cards |
| 01:47.07 | ameyer | of course, if you have something that fast, vesa might not be entirely unusable |
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| 01:47.46 | abrotman | the driver on my system says it goes up to Q35 |
| 01:47.57 | ameyer | since a chipset that new would likely be paired with a ridiculously fast CPU |
| 01:48.43 | abrotman | dmoerner: you want me to make a silly argument now? |
| 01:48.57 | ameyer | q35 is over a year old, though |
| 01:48.59 | dmoerner | abrotman: huh? |
| 01:49.25 | ameyer | isn't sure what that means for compatibility |
| 01:49.29 | abrotman | dmoerner: Debian should close up shop! it's olderz1 |
| 01:49.50 | abrotman | ameyer: i don't know what that means in comparison with the X3100 for example |
| 01:49.59 | dmoerner | X4500 is the newest intel gpu i think |
| 01:50.07 | abrotman | whatever it is .. i lost track :) |
| 01:50.10 | dmoerner | abrotman: haha |
| 01:50.27 | ameyer | abrotman: apparently x3100 is in the q35 |
| 01:50.55 | ameyer | G43 and G45 might not have acceleration on etchnhalf |
| 01:51.41 | ameyer | actually, x3500 is in the 35 |
| 01:52.25 | ameyer | but there are worse things than not having 3d |
| 01:52.53 | abrotman | the one in experimental (the man page anyways) still only says q35 |
| 01:54.17 | ameyer | points out that his laptop from late 1999 with ati graphics that doesn't seem to have any acceleration on etch is way faster-feeling than his 845G-based desktop with all the acceleration goodies |
| 01:54.23 | dmoerner | hm the changelog has some more info: * Drop G45 PCI ids from intel.ids so that vesa is autoloaded |
| 01:54.34 | abrotman | cute |
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| 01:54.44 | ameyer | that's nice |
| 01:54.49 | ameyer | flips off intel |
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| 01:56.01 | kjs | morning |
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| 02:02.11 | Ren972 | Hi |
| 02:02.29 | abrotman | looks around for Stimpy |
| 02:03.14 | Sling | looks for hairy pukeballs and loose eyes |
| 02:03.27 | Sling | oh he got scared already |
| 02:03.42 | abrotman | those are called .. hairballs oddly enough |
| 02:04.34 | phyberoptix | I had the choice of either a double cheeseburger and a large Ice Tea from McDonalds or to sleep with a $2 hooker, Man do my balls itch. |
| 02:05.22 | Sling | phyberoptix to what do we owe this fine piece of literature? |
| 02:05.37 | phyberoptix | a really boring night |
| 02:05.50 | phyberoptix | but if you could spt me $5 |
| 02:05.53 | phyberoptix | I am hungry |
| 02:05.59 | phyberoptix | *spot |
| 02:06.03 | Sling | sorry, i am too |
| 02:06.24 | phyberoptix | maybe the hooker wasnt the best choice then |
| 02:06.31 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 02:06.42 | zinx | recommends +q |
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| 02:17.22 | Quartermaster1 | does anyone use Ekiga 2.0.3? |
| 02:18.10 | abrotman | and what if we do? |
| 02:18.52 | Quartermaster1 | just wondering what it does |
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| 02:22.41 | abrotman | Quartermaster1: apt-cache show ekiga |
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| 02:25.21 | dudeman | lol |
| 02:25.32 | dudeman | that was fucking hilarious. |
| 02:25.46 | dudeman | what if we do lol haha |
| 02:25.49 | dudeman | thats great lol |
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| 02:38.54 | alazred | hi everyone any one have been able to install enlightenment on debian etch ??? |
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| 02:39.20 | alazred | i need help to do that can someone help me ?? |
| 02:39.31 | abrotman | e16 or 17? |
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| 02:40.05 | alazred | abrotman, e17 if possible but if its not i'll go with e16 ! |
| 02:40.20 | abrotman | e16 is already there .. apt-cache search enlightenment |
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| 02:41.34 | alazred | and for e17 ?? |
| 02:42.18 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 02:42.18 | dpkg | hmm... dr17 is [DR17 debs] http://xsm.alphagemini.org/E17/, or debs are now available in experimental |
| 02:42.19 | abrotman | maybe |
| 02:42.22 | abrotman | if not .. ask them |
| 02:42.39 | abrotman | !dr17 =~ s#E17/,#E17/# |
| 02:42.39 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
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| 02:44.34 | alazred | abrotman, fo e16 i just do : apt-get install enlightenment ... do i need something else ?? |
| 02:44.43 | abrotman | i'd use aptitude .. but yes |
| 02:44.51 | abrotman | well .. you probably want 'xorg' too |
| 02:45.07 | karsten | abrotman: is e17 even out? |
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| 02:45.26 | karsten | remembers back when e was the future.... |
| 02:45.35 | alazred | ok ty vm abrotman |
| 02:45.47 | abrotman | karsten: it's being packaged with Duke Nukem Forever |
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| 02:47.48 | Agent_bob | prefer etherwake or, wakeonlan ? |
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| 02:54.43 | Agent_bob | any way to retrieve the mac address of a box i was just connected to ? |
| 02:54.55 | abrotman | on your LAN ? |
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| 02:55.08 | qq- | arp ? |
| 02:55.11 | Agent_bob | no world wide. of course on my lan. |
| 02:55.26 | dread | I'm trying to delete a live-helper directory that gave me an error, but I keep getting operation not permitted, even as root. anyone have an idea on how to delete the directory? |
| 02:55.49 | Agent_bob | qq- arp may be the key but all i can seem to get out of it is the box im on., |
| 02:55.54 | abrotman | maybe look inyour arp table |
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| 02:56.07 | qq- | dread: try #debian-live |
| 02:56.14 | abrotman | on OFTC |
| 02:56.15 | Agent_bob | abrotman howto dump apt table > |
| 02:56.35 | abrotman | man arp ? |
| 02:57.06 | qq- | just type "arp" , as root |
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| 02:57.42 | abrotman | there is arping too |
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| 02:58.27 | Agent_bob | as root # arp yelds this Address HWtype HWaddress Flags Mask Iface192.168.0.1 ether 00:4F:4E:04:48:2C C eth0 |
| 02:58.34 | Agent_bob | and that's all. |
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| 02:59.32 | phuzion | I have two machines, both of which are secured with good passwords, but both are shared environments as well. How safe would it be to use a shared key without a passphrase to authenticate between these two machines? |
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| 03:00.29 | Sling | phuzion : ##security |
| 03:00.41 | phuzion | Sling, thanks |
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| 03:02.21 | Agent_bob | so the information i'm looking for is not stored ? |
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| 03:10.08 | Isil`Zha | hello. what mail server would you recommend that is fairly easy to set up and has imap? or some place that explains the whole issue for people with not much of experience in this domain |
| 03:10.25 | abrotman | exim4 or postfix |
| 03:11.07 | Guerin | !mail tutorial |
| 03:11.07 | dpkg | hmm... mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 03:11.13 | Guerin | start there |
| 03:11.13 | abrotman | hey hey! |
| 03:11.26 | Guerin | abrotman: my my |
| 03:11.38 | abrotman | rock and roll |
| 03:11.55 | Guerin | is coming to NZ to play in January |
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| 03:12.02 | Guerin | (Neil Young is, anyway) |
| 03:12.04 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 03:12.33 | dmoerner | abrotman: hypocrite...telling them to get back on topic on oftc :) |
| 03:12.36 | Guerin | deb and I are considering taking our kid, who'll be six weeks old at that point, if she arrives on schedule |
| 03:12.47 | abrotman | dmoerner: they're drunk! |
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| 03:13.29 | karsten | abrotman: Damn! And it will be released in time for Christmas, right!? |
| 03:13.37 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:13.48 | karsten | abrotman: ... they just don't know which year. |
| 03:15.20 | Agent_bob | nice link. |
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| 03:21.21 | mmlj4 | any reason why I can't get apache2 vhosting to work on lenny? it works fine on etch |
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| 03:23.37 | Isil`Zha | sorry i missed your replies. thank you Guerin, abrotman |
| 03:23.50 | Agent_bob | why would su - root be asking for a password after i have already done passwd -d root ? |
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| 03:27.27 | Agent_bob | something seems screwy about that. is su hard coded to require a password ? |
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| 03:37.24 | wireddd | Agent_bob: why would you not have a root password? |
| 03:39.13 | Agent_bob | wireddd cause user root is not privledged ? |
| 03:39.43 | Agent_bob | wireddd but i have answered your question, are you going to answer mine ? |
| 03:40.53 | wireddd | I don't know the answer to your question, I have never had a non passworded root account |
| 03:41.21 | Agent_bob | k. thanks for the reply. |
| 03:41.32 | abrotman | Agent_bob: you set the password when you installed |
| 03:41.42 | Agent_bob | abrotman no |
| 03:42.05 | abrotman | then you're not running Debian |
| 03:42.15 | Agent_bob | says you. |
| 03:42.32 | abrotman | so which installer did you use that lets you bypass setting a root password? |
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| 03:42.51 | Coweater | you're getting off track, he deleted the root password with passwd -d |
| 03:43.19 | abrotman | su - root should be blank .. |
| 03:43.38 | Agent_bob | i haven't checked the name of the installer on the etch install cd. |
| 03:44.07 | Agent_bob | but it's the same one that let me install on /dev/hda :) |
| 03:44.09 | abrotman | why not just use the wheel group ? |
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| 03:45.12 | unop | abrotman, one of the recent lenny builds has the installer give you the option to disable root and give the 'primary' user sudo ability. |
| 03:45.12 | Agent_bob | abrotman why not use the adminestrative account.. like i do... not root. but that's entirely a different matter. |
| 03:45.22 | abrotman | unop: that's just f'in stupid |
| 03:45.33 | unop | abrotman, well, perhaps - but i don't think so |
| 03:45.35 | abrotman | Agent_bob: that's fine .. so why are you trying to be root then ? |
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| 03:45.51 | phatso | I tried installing kernel headers in etchnhalf but apt croaked on me. It even suggested it was a bug |
| 03:45.55 | abrotman | unop: why? because then the user doesn't configure sudo .. and it's less secure than it really should be ? |
| 03:46.11 | phatso | http://pastebin.ca/1207146 |
| 03:46.13 | unop | abrotman, the installer configures sudo |
| 03:46.20 | abrotman | yeah .. with what permissions ? |
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| 03:46.47 | unop | abrotman, errm, i guess the usual - simple entry in /etc/sudoers |
| 03:46.47 | Agent_bob | abrotman just setting up the account the way i want it. and su - root is asking for a password and the password is null and the account is not locked. so it shouldn't be asking. |
| 03:46.49 | abrotman | phatso: paste your sources also |
| 03:47.11 | phatso | abrotman scroll down, I already pasted my sources.lst |
| 03:47.12 | unop | abrotman, not that i used that option - i'm just saying it's there - and he could have used it |
| 03:47.16 | abrotman | Agent_bob: if you su - <annother user with no passwd> .. what happens ? |
| 03:47.25 | abrotman | unop: so .. ALL:ALL ? |
| 03:47.32 | unop | abrotman, yea |
| 03:47.41 | abrotman | phatso: you need a normal source for etch |
| 03:47.44 | abrotman | unop: right .. useless |
| 03:47.54 | unop | abrotman, hmm, why is that? |
| 03:47.57 | phatso | what is abnormal with my source? |
| 03:48.13 | simonrvn | http://www.sgi.com/company_info/newsroom/press_releases/2008/september/opengl.html |
| 03:48.17 | phatso | oh wait I only have security |
| 03:48.24 | phatso | slaps his forehead |
| 03:48.25 | abrotman | right |
| 03:48.27 | simonrvn | popped up in my apt-listchanges |
| 03:48.49 | Agent_bob | abrotman same thing. for not admin user. it seems that only the admin can su without a password |
| 03:48.54 | abrotman | simonrvn: see gravityboy's blog |
| 03:49.00 | simonrvn | phatso: that's called a DOH! moment |
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| 03:49.06 | simonrvn | abrotman: 'k |
| 03:49.07 | abrotman | Agent_bob: sounds decently appropriate |
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| 03:49.23 | abrotman | simonrvn: and FWIW >. on asldhtdot too |
| 03:49.32 | abrotman | wow .. nice typing |
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| 03:49.44 | ameyer | wait, SGI isn't dead? |
| 03:49.48 | Agent_bob | abrotman and thus any account that is supposed to be "open" is inaccessable to normal users except through login... |
| 03:50.04 | abrotman | ameyer: not yet |
| 03:50.11 | simonrvn | Friday, September 19th, 2008 entry |
| 03:50.13 | abrotman | Agent_bob: file a bug? seems correct to me .. you disagree |
| 03:50.19 | ameyer | (insert "The More You Know" image that was totally stolen from NBC here) |
| 03:51.00 | Agent_bob | abrotman i guess it is a bug/feature depending on how you look at it. |
| 03:51.17 | simonrvn | ameyer: they do xfs too, though i think that got tossed to another team now iirc |
| 03:51.27 | abrotman | but if you put people in a wheel-ish group .. you'd be able to do it the you're trying. . i think |
| 03:51.40 | abrotman | simonrvn: yay x font server! |
| 03:51.49 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 03:52.52 | spx2 | I'm trying a program and |
| 03:52.54 | spx2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.00 | spx2 | what should I do ? |
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| 03:53.54 | Agent_bob | abrotman nope. i just added one user to every existing group and tested. su - root |
| 03:53.54 | Agent_bob | Password: |
| 03:53.54 | Agent_bob | su: Authentication failure |
| 03:54.10 | abrotman | Agent_bob: you have to setup the wheel group |
| 03:54.23 | abrotman | it's not part of linux by default |
| 03:54.32 | abrotman | (not any linux i've seen) |
| 03:55.05 | abrotman | !wheel |
| 03:55.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, wheel is n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. Irrelevant in debian default configs. You can use a PAM module to allow only group wheel to su to root (as is the default in some Unices), or to allow group wheel to su to root without a password. See man pam_wheel for details. |
| 03:55.24 | abrotman | Agent_bob: which is mildly what you're after .. i think |
| 03:56.00 | simonrvn | dare i say w00t! |
| 03:56.19 | Agent_bob | abrotman so there is a pam_wheel package or something ? |
| 03:56.33 | abrotman | it's probably already installed |
| 03:56.39 | abrotman | it's just not being used |
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| 03:57.08 | abrotman | just make sure you read the docs and you understand the implications |
| 03:57.49 | Agent_bob | See man pam_wheel for details. < ^ > No manual entry for pam_wheel |
| 03:58.48 | unop | Agent_bob, maybe all you need to do is enable the root account. |
| 03:59.25 | abrotman | that's what he's trying to avoid i think |
| 03:59.37 | Agent_bob | unop heh root != root here mate |
| 03:59.40 | abrotman | Agent_bob: man 8 pam_wheel .. i have it here |
| 03:59.50 | abrotman | Agent_bob: you should say root != uid0 ? |
| 04:00.02 | unop | Agent_bob, that makes little sense |
| 04:00.08 | Agent_bob | No manual entry for pam_wheel in section 8 |
| 04:00.18 | abrotman | libpam-modules has pam_wheel.8.gz on lenny |
| 04:00.23 | abrotman | probably on etch too |
| 04:00.24 | unop | Agent_bob != Agent_bob ?? :) |
| 04:00.32 | abrotman | he's AgentSmith! |
| 04:00.33 | Agent_bob | unop some times |
| 04:00.37 | unop | Agent_bob, can you use sudo? |
| 04:00.45 | Agent_bob | unop no |
| 04:00.50 | Agent_bob | whole system is nosuid |
| 04:00.58 | unop | Agent_bob, hah - what system is this then? |
| 04:01.07 | unop | Agent_bob, please don't say Debian ... |
| 04:01.10 | Agent_bob | debian etch |
| 04:01.12 | abrotman | !find pam_wheel etch |
| 04:01.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pam_wheel' (2): (/lib/security/pam_wheel.so) in libs/libpam-modules ;; (/usr/share/doc/libpam-doc/sgml/modules/pam_wheel.sgml) in doc/libpam-doc. |
| 04:02.13 | abrotman | guess etch doesn't have it .. weird .. but there are docs there |
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| 04:04.48 | kaitiff | could someone tell me what file to edit to change the default screen on my laptop at the command line? |
| 04:04.55 | kaitiff | I'm only using about 60% of it right now |
| 04:05.01 | Agent_bob | unop i don't like "default" so i have etch installed on /dev/hda nosuid and uid=0 is not root root = uid 501 along with several other modifications. |
| 04:05.33 | kaitiff | I"m trying to force myself to go without a gui, not off to a very auspicious start... |
| 04:05.41 | unop | is this the way you have set things up? |
| 04:05.58 | Agent_bob | unop yeah |
| 04:06.50 | Agent_bob | kaitiff depending on the startup process maybe removing the symlink /etc/rc?.d/S??gdm |
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| 04:07.01 | unop | Agent_bob, silliness |
| 04:07.16 | Agent_bob | runlevel would reviel which rc?.d |
| 04:07.41 | kaitiff | agent_bob I know when you first got through the setup you have to choose the screen lines etc, that is what I'm trying to change |
| 04:07.42 | Agent_bob | unop yeah. but aren't all computer related things. |
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| 04:07.55 | grendal_prime | ok i think i figured out my repository weridness.. it has something to do with the dpkg-scanpackges parameters im giving it. |
| 04:07.59 | unop | Agent_bob, no, not if they can he helped - really |
| 04:08.21 | Agent_bob | unop helped ? |
| 04:08.24 | grendal_prime | anyone familiar with setting up repos? |
| 04:08.27 | Agent_bob | unop avoided ? |
| 04:08.31 | unop | Agent_bob, right |
| 04:08.46 | grendal_prime | Agent_bob: did you get your werid id thing worked out? |
| 04:09.29 | Agent_bob | grendal_prime sure. all but the feature/bug in su that requires a password on passwordless accounts. |
| 04:09.42 | Agent_bob | wait. i think i just figured out why |
| 04:09.46 | grendal_prime | what was it? |
| 04:10.24 | Agent_bob | nope. that wasn't it. |
| 04:11.05 | Agent_bob | grendal_prime if you are refering to the ssh issue of days gone by it was the $SHELL var |
| 04:11.21 | Agent_bob | of all things. ;/ |
| 04:12.08 | grendal_prime | well a few hours ago you had one account that was not able to "im assuming" passwordless login via distributed keys? but it was just the one account. |
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| 04:12.39 | grendal_prime | I suggested that it was maby an old key. |
| 04:12.45 | kaitiff | I may not be explaining what I want very well... I'm running a very old laptop w/out a gui, so I'm looking at a terminal screen and I have a large border around the edge because I chose the screen size incorrectly... I want to use the whole screen. |
| 04:12.51 | grendal_prime | was blacklisted mabe? |
| 04:13.41 | grendal_prime | kaitiff: did you set the kernel for frambuffering? |
| 04:13.41 | Agent_bob | grendal_prime ah yes. no had nothing to do with the key. like i said then all accounts were using one key. just copied over. and the problem was a local script. |
| 04:14.08 | kaitiff | grendal_prime I have no idea. :) |
| 04:14.55 | grendal_prime | oh, i didnt realize they were all using the SAME KEY when you said the other accounts were working fine i assumed they all had generated there keys when created. |
| 04:14.57 | Agent_bob | grendal_prime had two scripts of one name one that edit `which script` was finding and one that script was running.... s/script/real_name/g |
| 04:15.03 | kaitiff | grendal_prime I thought the screen size was an editable field, I didn't know it was in the kernel... |
| 04:15.48 | Agent_bob | kaitiff you wanting to adjust console resolution ? |
| 04:15.58 | grendal_prime | kaitiff: for the terminal...(at least on the dell laptops that im familar with) you have to set a kernel option to use the entire screen...hlold on i have link for it |
| 04:16.29 | grendal_prime | Agent_bob: i think he has that black border problem that seems to be pretty common with dells |
| 04:17.40 | Agent_bob | kaitiff sorry i misunderstood you eariler. svgatextmode can change it on the fly but it's not an install and run app. you have to configure it. and boot time vga= keyword can set the kernel frame buffer size. if you are working on that... |
| 04:18.01 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 04:18.39 | grendal_prime | i think after ro on the kernel line you put vga=700 (i think that number depends on the size of your screen) |
| 04:18.56 | grendal_prime | you can put it in the /boot/grub/menu.list file |
| 04:18.57 | Agent_bob | 791 is common for laptops |
| 04:19.06 | grendal_prime | what lapto is it kaitiff?? |
| 04:19.14 | Agent_bob | crt i like 788 |
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| 04:20.14 | grendal_prime | likes giveing kernel options to people who have know idea how to edit grub in the event it fails |
| 04:20.28 | Agent_bob | lol |
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| 04:20.50 | grendal_prime | hahahah...its all part of my hidden agenda to the alteriar motive i have. |
| 04:21.03 | dudeman | I ate too much |
| 04:21.08 | Agent_bob | maybe sujest not editing menu.lst until after they have tested it dirrectly in grub |
| 04:21.12 | grendal_prime | bad dudeman |
| 04:21.28 | grendal_prime | no strap yourself in for your lashings |
| 04:21.47 | kaitiff | grendal_prime sorry, it's a very old IBM 560X |
| 04:21.55 | grendal_prime | Agent_bob: i have no idea how to explain that to someone. |
| 04:24.08 | Agent_bob | hold on captin this is going to be a rough landiug |
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| 04:24.08 | Agent_bob | here they come.... |
| 04:24.08 | grendal_prime | spent an hour on friday trying to explain the "concept" of virtualized operating systems |
| 04:24.08 | grendal_prime | captin? you are not a pilot are you... |
| 04:24.08 | grendal_prime | the captain does the landings. |
| 04:24.08 | Agent_bob | only on tuesdays. |
| 04:24.08 | grendal_prime | for me its on mondays...literally |
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| 04:24.40 | Agent_bob | anyway this net split is likely to bounce again. |
| 04:24.52 | grendal_prime | is ifr certified 6 year private pilot. |
| 04:25.55 | grendal_prime | i can fence, and sail to. Im like Peter pan....fly sail and fight with swords. |
| 04:26.07 | kaitiff | brb |
| 04:26.27 | grendal_prime | i need more R and Coke. brb |
| 04:26.51 | Agent_bob | is kinda like Agent_bob |
| 04:27.01 | Agent_bob | in a strange sort of way. |
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| 04:32.36 | firebird619 | My Internet is quite slow today and I notice that in the resolv.conf file, one of the name servers is listed twice. Could this be the cause of slow Internet? I searched around a bit and found a way to not update the file, which I tried after removing the duplicated nameserver, but that didn't do the trick. How can I fix it so that there is only two nameservers listed? Could someone help me please? |
| 04:34.46 | kriebel | it should be created every time you dhcp |
| 04:34.49 | kriebel | if you do so |
| 04:34.58 | kriebel | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=7239 has some discussion on this topic |
| 04:35.18 | Agent_bob | it has been said the fool is the twin of the wise. it's just hard to tell which brother you are talking to. |
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| 04:35.32 | kriebel | slow name servers could cause things like web browsing to seem slow |
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| 04:36.09 | kriebel | try running the `host` command on some hostnames that you haven't connected to recently |
| 04:36.28 | grendal_prime | god damn this dpkg-scanpackages thing seems backwards to me |
| 04:36.43 | firebird619 | kriebel: It has been extremely slow today with my email client timing out, etc. Is there a way to get rid of that duplicate entry, or isn't that really hurting anything. |
| 04:36.58 | kriebel | it probably isn't hurting anything |
| 04:37.05 | kriebel | are you using DHCP? |
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| 04:37.27 | kriebel | what is your DHCP server? (home router, Linux box, your ISP) |
| 04:37.36 | User_ | hello everyone from Oz |
| 04:37.48 | grendal_prime | firebird619: go and recycle your dslmodem |
| 04:37.53 | kriebel | looks for the Tin Man and the Scarecrow |
| 04:37.56 | grendal_prime | like on southpark |
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| 04:39.30 | firebird619 | kriebel: Ok, I am checking that link you gave me. I am sure I am using DHCP, it is my ISP. Every now and then my IP address changes as well as the DNS servers. I had been using OpenDNS, but especially lately, I have been seeing articles about how it redirects this and that, and so I wasn't sure if it was a good idea to still use. |
| 04:39.44 | firebird619 | grendal_prime: I have tried that already, it didn't help at all. |
| 04:40.37 | kriebel | I would assume that OpenDNS would re-direct things in a nicer way than most ISPs seem to be doing these days |
| 04:41.00 | firebird619 | kriebel: Do you use it? |
| 04:41.13 | kriebel | no |
| 04:41.20 | kriebel | I don't use my ISP's dns servers either |
| 04:41.38 | firebird619 | kriebel: Do you use your own then? |
| 04:41.44 | kriebel | I also run a Debian box as a router, and run BIND 9 on that as a cache |
| 04:42.22 | kriebel | so to speak. I work for a different ISP, and I made those servers my forwarder |
| 04:42.45 | kaitiff | is back |
| 04:42.47 | grendal_prime | kriebel: ya i use debian as a router/firewall with iptables. |
| 04:43.00 | grendal_prime | idont bind it though |
| 04:43.06 | kaitiff | Ok, I got conflicting advice there I think, to use the whole screen I do what? |
| 04:43.34 | grendal_prime | are you editing the menu.list? |
| 04:43.45 | kriebel | firebird619, you can use 4.2.2.1 as a nameserver |
| 04:43.54 | kriebel | it might only be fast if you're in the US, though |
| 04:43.56 | kaitiff | dunno, you mentioned one way, bob said another... |
| 04:44.02 | kriebel | which I'm getting a sense you aren't |
| 04:45.11 | grendal_prime | if so, at the end of the kernel name there should be an "ro" after that add the "vga=791" <without the quotes> |
| 04:45.26 | firebird619 | kriebel: I am in the US. If I use the method that is on that site you gave me for making that file so it doesn't update the resolv.conf file, what will happen when my ISP changes the nameserver addresses? |
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| 04:45.57 | kriebel | if your ISP is changing your nameserver addresses, they are doing something stupid |
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| 04:46.26 | spersaud | where's bitchx ? |
| 04:46.30 | kriebel | likely they are shifting you to a different vlan or something to load balance their backhauls |
| 04:46.40 | kriebel | spersaud: can you be more specific? |
| 04:46.46 | spersaud | I just did a downgrade from SID to Lenny ... what do I have to put in apt sources ? |
| 04:47.17 | kriebel | just open sources.list in vim and run :%s/unstable/lenny/g |
| 04:47.21 | spersaud | Im not finding bitchx is it under main contrib nonfree ? |
| 04:47.23 | firebird619 | kriebel: that could be. I just know that every now and then, the nameserver addresses change. A month or so ago, they were 208.x.x.x and now they are something different. |
| 04:47.33 | kriebel | firebird619, what ISP? |
| 04:47.46 | firebird619 | kriebel: Mediacom |
| 04:47.53 | kriebel | havn't heard of it |
| 04:48.15 | kriebel | spersaud, I'm not sure. I don't see it either. Perhaps ircii or epic4 will be to your liking |
| 04:49.13 | spersaud | kriebel: maybe |
| 04:50.00 | kriebel | firebird619, you can just set your nameserver to 4.2.2.1; that will send it to the nearest Level 3 server |
| 04:50.09 | kriebel | or maybe your DSL modem does caching DNS |
| 04:50.11 | firebird619 | kriebel: They are a company that service mainly the upper midwest in the US. With the experience I have had, their service isn't the best, a lot of downtime, etc., but where I live, there aren't many choices for high speed. |
| 04:50.12 | kriebel | so you can just point it to that |
| 04:50.28 | miksuh | spersaud: bitchx is not in lenny nor in unstable |
| 04:50.35 | firebird619 | kriebel: I don't think my modem caching. I am on cable Internet. |
| 04:51.29 | kaitiff | grendal_prime the 'vga=h91' I will have to reboot after I do that, right? |
| 04:51.31 | dmoerner | !bitchx |
| 04:51.31 | dpkg | BitchX is an old and unmaintained IRC client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, see <bitchxignore>. Abandoned by its upstream authors, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373. |
| 04:51.36 | kriebel | firebird619, so it's just bridging, not stupidly routing? good |
| 04:52.24 | grendal_prime | sorry kaitiff i was drinking shots of rum...now what was it you wanted to do to your kernel?? |
| 04:52.51 | firebird619 | kriebel: I don't think it is stupidly routing. How would I find that out? It is a Motorola Surfboard SB5101. |
| 04:52.59 | kaitiff | grendal_prime umm, I don't want to do anything to my kernel, just change the screen so I use the whole thing |
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| 04:53.14 | kaitiff | grendal_prime I'm not using a gui, so I'm at a terminal screen, no X installed. |
| 04:53.16 | Skaperen | wonders what this big red button does |
| 04:53.19 | grendal_prime | i dont know where you got that h91 figer but hey if that works for ya... |
| 04:53.33 | kriebel | almost no cable modems do NAT built in. if your IP address in Linux is the same as the one you see if you go to http://whatismyip.com/ then it's just bridging |
| 04:53.50 | spersaud | hmmm ........ ok thanks for the info on bitchx, wow I used that for a long time, worked great .. |
| 04:53.57 | firebird619 | kriebel: And it is the same, I have checked that in the past. |
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| 04:54.35 | kriebel | spersaud, keep in mind, irssi is probably even more functional |
| 04:55.04 | kriebel | I'm not knocking your nostalgia |
| 04:55.06 | kaitiff | I've never used irssi, does it have the same commands etc? |
| 04:55.20 | kriebel | ummm... the IRC server has commands |
| 04:55.23 | kriebel | clients shouldn't |
| 04:55.26 | kaitiff | can you do multiple windows etc with it? |
| 04:55.36 | kriebel | I think so |
| 04:55.45 | kriebel | I don't usually bother |
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| 04:56.19 | kaitiff | I used to be a heavy irc user years ago, bitchx would let me have several private chats going, a main window, connections to multiple chat servers, the works |
| 04:56.36 | liable | yes, irssi can do that |
| 04:56.40 | kaitiff | cool |
| 04:56.48 | kriebel | firebird619, if you want to use more than one computer at home, you should definately get a (home broadband) router |
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| 04:56.50 | kaitiff | I didn't know bitchx was abandonware. |
| 04:57.31 | kriebel | firebird619, in the mean time, do some ping test to common websites and see if the problem persists, and what the specific nature of the problem is |
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| 04:58.12 | kriebel | I keep going back and forth with epic4 and x-chat |
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| 04:58.42 | kaitiff | I'm using a command line only discipline on this laptop... mostly because it's damn old. :) |
| 04:59.13 | kriebel | it depends on how much I sit still and use my desktop, or if I'll need to screen to the colo-ed server and just pick up my client there |
| 04:59.24 | qq- | kaitiff: how old ? |
| 04:59.35 | kaitiff | still trying to figure out how to get the full screen tho... I must have chosen incorrectly when I was doing the setup, so I'm only using about 60% of it. |
| 04:59.36 | firebird619 | kriebel: I just use one computer for the Internet. I will do some ping testing and see what the results are. At times, it seems like there is a burst of speed and things load quickly and then it is back to slow again. With the service problems I have had with this ISP, it is probably a problem on their end and not mine. |
| 04:59.48 | grendal_prime | this is making me fkn insane!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:59.52 | kaitiff | qq- it's a P200 w/ 96 meg ram |
| 04:59.56 | kaitiff | aa |
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| 05:00.15 | kriebel | kaitiff, I will mail you a faster laptop |
| 05:00.16 | grendal_prime | does anyone know how to beat out this dpkg-scanpackages script |
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| 05:00.41 | criso | Packages says the total install size of everything in debian unstable is 57.68 GiB |
| 05:00.42 | grendal_prime | kaitiff: what is this thing going to be used for network monitoring or something? |
| 05:00.46 | kaitiff | kriebel nah, thanks anyways. I have a lot better stuff around, but I figured using this old booger will make me learn more. |
| 05:00.59 | kriebel | or kill yourself |
| 05:01.03 | grendal_prime | criso: why would you do that? |
| 05:01.06 | kaitiff | grendal_prime no.. I'll probably end up donating it |
| 05:01.12 | criso | it might be interesting |
| 05:01.26 | criso | isn't that a vista minimal install, to run mspaint? |
| 05:01.34 | grendal_prime | MIGHT be? no that would SURELY be interesting. |
| 05:01.35 | kaitiff | kriebel yah.. but I 'cheat' anytime I use Ubuntu or something, it's too easy on the desktop |
| 05:01.39 | kriebel | heh, I knew a guy with a similar setup. he kept the laptop on a shelf. one virtual terminal was pork, another was a command-line MP3 player |
| 05:01.42 | kriebel | it did everything |
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| 05:02.12 | kriebel | I use X to open more xterms |
| 05:02.13 | kaitiff | kriebel yep! I had a an old Toshiba that did exactly the same thing.. mpg123 for music, everything command line |
| 05:02.23 | kaitiff | kriebel but it finally died... |
| 05:02.24 | grendal_prime | kriebel: exactly |
| 05:02.41 | kriebel | well, Iceweasel, Icedove, and lots of gnome-terminals |
| 05:02.56 | kriebel | 6 workspaces full at the moment |
| 05:03.12 | kaitiff | you ain't livin until you do all your surfing with links. |
| 05:03.24 | kriebel | sadly, it's an AJAX world |
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| 05:03.29 | kaitiff | I got lots of terminals available. :) |
| 05:04.00 | kriebel | Linux gets on my nerves in that the scrollback buffer is cleared when you switch VC |
| 05:04.04 | kaitiff | I always got a buzz out of how much you can do with so little. |
| 05:04.06 | grendal_prime | when i set up systems for other people that are only going to use as routers and such i usually install x and iceweisel then show them how to run a vnc server. I can loc the entire box down then and the can tunnel an ssh conection to the vncserver. |
| 05:04.14 | kriebel | kaitiff, welcome to UNIX |
| 05:04.24 | phorce1 | got a *smart* laptop for USD $100 |
| 05:04.28 | criso | the scrollback buffer is cleared? |
| 05:04.44 | criso | I wonder what fbsd does |
| 05:04.49 | kriebel | go to the first vc, and cat something big |
| 05:04.53 | kriebel | go to vc2 |
| 05:05.01 | grendal_prime | my treo 650 is the coolest thinclient ive found guys. |
| 05:05.02 | kriebel | go back to vc1 and try crtl-pgup |
| 05:05.05 | kaitiff | kriebel I've been a dabbler for years... I have several flavors running right now, including a still operational version 1 smoothwall server I built |
| 05:05.05 | phorce1 | The think absolutley refuses to complete a Windows XP install. Debian Lenny works fine |
| 05:05.14 | phorce1 | s/think/thing/ |
| 05:05.31 | kriebel | <3's his Treo 755 |
| 05:05.53 | kriebel | data plan is expensive though |
| 05:05.57 | grendal_prime | the only thing the treo lacks is an openvpn client. |
| 05:06.04 | grendal_prime | my work pays for my data plan |
| 05:06.13 | kriebel | there are a variety of VPN clients available for palm |
| 05:06.19 | kriebel | I guess not OpenVPN though |
| 05:06.35 | grendal_prime | i really wish someone would port that. |
| 05:06.49 | grendal_prime | it would make my live soooo much easyer. |
| 05:06.49 | kriebel | I really wish someone would port a lot of things to the Treo |
| 05:06.59 | efaistos | any idea why a fetchmail is not working anymore ? Just changed the ethernet card |
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| 05:07.15 | grendal_prime | actually...thats the only thing ive found that is missing really. |
| 05:07.16 | efaistos | ad got a new ip with dhcp |
| 05:07.28 | grendal_prime | kriebel: what is it your missing? |
| 05:07.28 | kriebel | also, if someone would write sync software for TB for Palms |
| 05:07.41 | grendal_prime | TB? |
| 05:07.45 | kriebel | Thunderbird |
| 05:08.00 | kriebel | efaistos, ask ESR |
| 05:08.29 | kriebel | an MP3 player that also worked with Ogg would be nice |
| 05:08.38 | kriebel | (free) |
| 05:08.41 | grendal_prime | oh. i dont know i use the versamail with exchange(the pig it is) but it works fairly well i have to admit, (accept when exchange fks up) |
| 05:08.55 | kaitiff | I must be searching for the wrong think in google... what is the terminal 'resolution' called? |
| 05:08.56 | kriebel | contacts and calendar |
| 05:08.57 | grendal_prime | kriebel: mine does |
| 05:09.06 | kriebel | let's not forget it's a Palm |
| 05:09.07 | kaitiff | I still can't figure out how to change that, it's annoying. |
| 05:09.43 | stew | kaitiff: /msg dpkg fbcon resolution |
| 05:09.52 | kriebel | grendal_prime, what does your Treo do? |
| 05:09.56 | grendal_prime | coremedia player does ogg, and with my 2 gig card i can acid rip movies dow to 200 megs a piece. |
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| 05:10.24 | grendal_prime | i got 4 movies for the kids on the thing, incase we get stuck somewhere |
| 05:10.47 | kriebel | what about the PIM thing? |
| 05:10.51 | grendal_prime | and a copy of idiocracy for me(i love that movie) |
| 05:10.53 | kaitiff | stew you are awesome, I think that's exactly what I was looking for! |
| 05:10.59 | kriebel | also, unzipping w/o the stupid hack |
| 05:11.22 | grendal_prime | pim thing? what do you mean? |
| 05:11.36 | kriebel | Me too. That movie seems so much more sad after I learned that Carl's Junior is real |
| 05:11.47 | kriebel | grendal_prime, sync contacts and calendar |
| 05:12.05 | grendal_prime | ya i use versamail for that. it does all that |
| 05:12.42 | kriebel | uhh |
| 05:12.48 | kriebel | I also use versamail |
| 05:12.56 | kriebel | and I like it. IMAP rules |
| 05:13.11 | kriebel | but it doesnt' do contacts or calendar stuff |
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| 05:13.23 | grendal_prime | now the versamail on the 650 will sync with exchange even on a self signed cert. but anything newer willnot. |
| 05:13.28 | grendal_prime | mine does |
| 05:13.44 | grendal_prime | mine syncs all that stuff |
| 05:13.48 | kriebel | maybe it's an exchange thing |
| 05:14.01 | grendal_prime | ya i believe it is |
| 05:14.01 | kriebel | can you link me to instructions? |
| 05:14.02 | kaitiff | stew hmm, when I run the command hwinfo --framebuffer it tells me command not found... |
| 05:14.37 | stew | kaitiff: install the hwinfo package |
| 05:14.41 | grendal_prime | i dont have any...all i know is that mine does all that right through the https interface. |
| 05:14.58 | kriebel | hrmm |
| 05:15.01 | grendal_prime | im not using the http interface... |
| 05:15.12 | grendal_prime | but it somehow parses it out... |
| 05:15.50 | grendal_prime | deals with it. now my wives new centro..does not do that...but, her company uses gmail for all that anyway, sooo there is a totally diff client for that. |
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| 05:18.18 | grendal_prime | but dude...check this out. I use my 650 for these things...flashlight, alarmclock, ssh client, vnc-client, emergency gps backup for general aviation(im not shitting you this thing has saved my life with flightmaster nav software)) |
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| 05:20.04 | grendal_prime | not to mention all the just day to day stuff....scheduling...is my R2D2. And damn i take hours of video and thousands of pics of the kids playing, its just nice cause i got so much of the fun stuff doced with that phone. |
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| 05:20.53 | kaitiff | stew ok, I installed the hwinfo package, ran it wth the --framebuffer switch, but it runs through a whole lot of stuff quick on one line, and ends, with nothing visible as an output.. |
| 05:20.58 | rich1987 | alright my issue is this whenever i install grub to the mbr i get error 18 but when i install it in /boot i get error 15. and further still when i boot my /boot partition directly from my ultimate boot cd using the super grub tool it boots fine |
| 05:20.59 | grendal_prime | everyone at work is freaking out about iphone...it has nothing to offer me(accept that it does have an openvpn client) |
| 05:21.16 | rich1987 | i'm confused on what to do here |
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| 05:21.48 | grendal_prime | stew: buddy.....ol..pal...how are you with setting up repos? |
| 05:22.39 | grendal_prime | more to the point scanning the contents and witing out the indexs? |
| 05:23.38 | grendal_prime | stew: ...ive lost your transmission....can you hear me stew? |
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| 05:24.26 | Halo3Masta214 | how do u join in a tournement |
| 05:24.52 | rich1987 | anyone know? |
| 05:24.59 | grendal_prime | Halo3Masta214: well first you fill out the nessary paperwork |
| 05:25.04 | kriebel | I just can't come up with a funny enough answer for that one, Halo3Masta214 |
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| 05:25.33 | yao_ziyuan | i'm installing adept 3.0 |
| 05:25.34 | grendal_prime | Halo3Masta214: have you filled out the nesessary paperwork mister..... Halo3Masta214? |
| 05:25.39 | yao_ziyuan | but it says "adept" is kept back |
| 05:25.48 | yao_ziyuan | although i used "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 05:25.54 | Halo3Masta214 | were can i find out the paperwork |
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| 05:25.57 | yao_ziyuan | how do i install this "adept" package now? |
| 05:26.03 | hejux | hi,i got a problem with my logitec mx518 mouse,i can't make a single click with left,middle and right mouse button , all of them are double click , anybody met this problem before ?what can i do ? |
| 05:26.04 | kriebel | yao_ziyuan, what release? |
| 05:26.14 | kaitiff | ok, gonna try the reboot, thanks ya'll! |
| 05:26.24 | yao_ziyuan | kriebel: ubuntu 8.04 (hardy) + kde 4.1.1 |
| 05:26.29 | rich1987 | my isntall cd is debian 40r4a net install cd |
| 05:26.35 | kriebel | this isn't #ubuntu, fwiw |
| 05:26.45 | grendal_prime | Well since YOU asked, you can send me a check for 49.95 and i will send you the paperwork you need..Now wich game would you like to join? |
| 05:26.45 | kriebel | kept back doesn't mean not installed |
| 05:26.48 | Halo3Masta214 | fuckers im talking |
| 05:26.49 | kriebel | it means not upgraded |
| 05:27.11 | hejux | could anybody help? |
| 05:27.18 | Halo3Masta214 | no bitch |
| 05:27.42 | grendal_prime | Halo3Masta214: i dont know what you are doing here. |
| 05:27.46 | kriebel | hejux: I've not had this problem... I'm not sure if I've ever heard of it |
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| 05:27.55 | grendal_prime | someone needs to bounce you though |
| 05:28.06 | grendal_prime | whos opps here? |
| 05:28.16 | rich1987 | alright my issue is this whenever i install grub to the mbr i get error 18 but when i install it in /boot i get error 15. and further still when i boot my /boot partition directly from my ultimate boot cd using the super grub tool it boots fine installed using net install |
| 05:28.18 | kriebel | someone check his client. I have $1 on mIRC |
| 05:28.33 | kriebel | hejux, YES I HAVE |
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| 05:28.45 | kriebel | you have two devices that point to the same mouse |
| 05:28.57 | kriebel | comment out a pointer stanza in your xorg.conf |
| 05:29.07 | grendal_prime | kriebel: more likely some werid ass ms chat thing included in the new halo |
| 05:29.16 | stew | grendal_prime: with dpkg-scanpackages |
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| 05:29.34 | grendal_prime | ya thats what im using |
| 05:29.35 | kriebel | hejux, /dev/input/mice and something else are both registered as pointers in X |
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| 05:29.58 | grendal_prime | stew: the problem is it keeps adding a dir to the path to my package |
| 05:30.02 | hejux | kriebel: autocore ? |
| 05:30.07 | kriebel | hejux, you'll need to restart X after editing xorg.conf to make the changes take affect |
| 05:30.09 | hejux | or centercore ? |
| 05:30.19 | kriebel | hejux, that doesn't mean anything to me |
| 05:30.38 | kriebel | I've not looking into the default xorg.conf on new Ubuntu |
| 05:30.41 | rich1987 | yup its official i'm invisible here |
| 05:30.59 | kriebel | rich1987, GRUB is full of bugs, and PCs are hard to boot |
| 05:31.18 | hejux | kriebel: i see, i know what happened to me , i changed the centercore to autocore for my mouse ... |
| 05:31.22 | grendal_prime | im following the directions for building a trivial repo. everything works.(and if i manually edit the Packeges file and remove the extra 'binary' from the path to the file it works...but im trying to figure out what im doing wrong with the dpkg-scanpackages prog. |
| 05:31.41 | rich1987 | yea i was just wonderering if i'm on the right path to install to mbr then have it redirect to /boot |
| 05:31.48 | grendal_prime | that was all for stew by the way |
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| 05:32.22 | kriebel | rich1987, I've never installed grub to anything but the MBR. if your kernel doesn't love your SATA controller just right, that may be impossible, though |
| 05:32.39 | rich1987 | it not sata its pata |
| 05:32.49 | kriebel | perhaps boot this rescue cd, chroot to your / partition, mount /boot, and run grub-install |
| 05:32.55 | kriebel | and hope it's all the same libc |
| 05:33.00 | webPragmatist | any idea why postfix wouldn't be logging to mail.log ? |
| 05:33.18 | kriebel | webPragmatist, let's start easy: is /var full? |
| 05:33.29 | webPragmatist | no? |
| 05:33.31 | rich1987 | hmm i've got an idea to try so thanks for the help |
| 05:33.33 | kriebel | ok, good |
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| 05:33.40 | grendal_prime | look at the postfix config. then there is the possibility that your log partion is full |
| 05:33.44 | kriebel | I do waht I can |
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| 05:33.49 | kriebel | ;-) |
| 05:34.09 | stew | grendal_prime: i usually run "dpkg-scanpackages binary /dev/null | gzip -9c > binary/Packages.gz" |
| 05:34.26 | stew | grendal_prime: from the directory contianing the directory named "binary" |
| 05:34.32 | hejux | kriebel: at the section :server layout , change the inputdevice like this : InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer" |
| 05:34.37 | grendal_prime | ya me too stew |
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| 05:35.15 | hejux | kriebel: thank you for you remind , but i still can't make my synaptics touchpad work ,,, i am on a laptop ... |
| 05:35.35 | grendal_prime | and that works untell apt starts to download the file..at that point it 404 errors..because the file path stored in the packages file has an extra "binary" in the path. |
| 05:36.13 | kriebel | hejux, there used to be a synaptics pointer section in Ubuntu's xorg.conf |
| 05:36.41 | kriebel | add an InputDevice line with the right identifier from the synaptics stanza |
| 05:37.13 | hejux | kriebel: ok , i am going to restart X . i'll follow the guide ... thanks |
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| 05:40.09 | grendal_prime | now stew, what do you usally have as a source entry on the client for it to read that repo? |
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| 05:41.02 | shivraj | where can I find mencoder ? |
| 05:41.14 | kriebel | it's packaged, no? |
| 05:41.26 | kriebel | yes |
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| 05:41.36 | kriebel | or, "/usr/bin" |
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| 05:43.08 | kriebel | my life is complete |
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| 05:43.29 | firebird619 | I am using XFCE and whenever I insert a CD or plug in a flash drive, etc. thunar opens (which I want), but nautilus also opens. How can I stop nautilus from opening? |
| 05:43.35 | kriebel | {{{grendal_prime}}} |
| 05:43.42 | kriebel | I can now watch Futurama on my Palm |
| 05:43.58 | kriebel | remove nautilus from your system? |
| 05:44.15 | kriebel | oh man, it's mplayer for portables |
| 05:44.17 | kriebel | I'm so happy |
| 05:44.25 | kriebel | goes to sleep |
| 05:44.50 | firebird619 | kriebel: I switch over to gnome now and then though. Is there another way to do stop it from opening? |
| 05:44.52 | kriebel | if hejux comes back, tell him I'm gone and his mouse damn well better work |
| 05:45.04 | grendal_prime | kriebel: that player rocks |
| 05:45.08 | stew | grendal_prime: uhh, actually i don't recall. i haven't needed to do this since I can upload directly to debian now :) |
| 05:45.15 | kriebel | firebird619, it's getting a dbus message from the hotplug thingy |
| 05:45.35 | kriebel | that might give you a vector to fix it |
| 05:45.41 | grendal_prime | kriebel: are you talking about core media player? |
| 05:45.48 | kriebel | maybe try the weird gnome settings editor |
| 05:45.54 | kriebel | grendal_prime, yes |
| 05:46.49 | kriebel | does it support background playback for music? |
| 05:47.53 | startgame412 | Hi can anyone help me with a problem I am having I cannot play vcds in debian using vlc no error message or anything it just won't play for some reason |
| 05:48.27 | kriebel | really goes to bed |
| 05:48.56 | grendal_prime | ummm you know it doesnt |
| 05:49.08 | grendal_prime | it pauses it automatically, movies to... |
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| 05:49.22 | grendal_prime | i think ...hold on ill check |
| 05:50.18 | grendal_prime | kriebel: doesnt appear to..if i look up other apps it stops it..if i go back to it...its right where i left it. |
| 05:51.00 | grendal_prime | all i know is the kids can literally watch two full length movies on it...and it doesnt even use a 3rd of the battery |
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| 05:54.01 | startgame412 | anyone else have trouble playing vcds in debian using vlc? |
| 05:55.43 | grendal_prime | stew: is it easyer to just to the regular full sized repository? |
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| 05:56.14 | grendal_prime | I just cant seem to figure out what the hell im doing wrong here |
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| 06:08.24 | jetscreamer | stfu |
| 06:08.29 | micols | do i need more than highmem enabled kernel for >4GB ram usage? |
| 06:09.13 | micols | those ddr2's are getting cheap, and i would like a ramdisk to export to my thin client , i could have the whole root fs on it :) |
| 06:09.48 | micols | i just found out that mounting a ramdisk on in locally for /tmp made it around a few 100% faster in most programs. |
| 06:10.03 | micols | performance is almost as with fast disks now. |
| 06:10.17 | micols | except for nfs writes :) |
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| 06:11.08 | micols | that is still damn slow for some reason, any tips for improving nfs writes? i got async,noatime and wsize 32768? |
| 06:11.16 | micols | is nfs4 any better at this? |
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| 06:14.23 | simonrvn | rsize |
| 06:14.38 | simonrvn | optimising your network too |
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| 06:15.51 | |vovkav| | hi! I am having trouble mounting smbfs with fstab parameters. They just do not apply. if I change smbfs to cifs - everuthing is OK, as well as when I issue mount -o zzz -t smbfs \\x /y . What could that be? |
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| 06:17.17 | stew | grendal_prime: definately not easier to do a full sized repository |
| 06:17.21 | jetscreamer | paste the fstab line ... (note the lack of an s at the end of the word 'line') |
| 06:17.28 | micols | simonrvn: yes got that |
| 06:18.42 | stew | grendal_prime: i'd imagine you are just using the wrong line in sources.list |
| 06:19.21 | jetscreamer | i've wanted to have everything in ram for a while. |
| 06:20.07 | jetscreamer | s'got to be an evolutionary step, also |
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| 06:20.18 | jetscreamer | someday |
| 06:20.43 | simonrvn | micols: use tcp |
| 06:21.24 | micols | simonrvn: wouldnt that add too much overhead for system files? |
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| 06:22.07 | jetscreamer | where the hell is bumttx ;) |
| 06:22.23 | _vovkav_ | //192.168.146.2/music/mnt/musicsmbfsgroup,gid=users,async,codepage=cp866,iocharset=utf8,uid=vovkav,users,ro02 |
| 06:22.25 | jetscreamer | beaumont? |
| 06:22.32 | simonrvn | nah |
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| 06:22.39 | _vovkav_ | jetscreamer: see above... |
| 06:23.04 | simonrvn | unless you're running that on some p1 or m68k box i wouldn't worry |
| 06:23.05 | jetscreamer | group? |
| 06:23.15 | phorce1 | Well, kind of a waste, but the only Gigabit Ethernet card I had lying around was an Intel 82546EB dual Gigabit PCI-X card. At least the drivers caught it right away. |
| 06:23.33 | jetscreamer | isn't fam with the smb options |
| 06:23.41 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: yes, Beaumont (but I'm actually in Silsbee) |
| 06:24.24 | SNIa | join #gnu |
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| 06:24.33 | jetscreamer | no you join gnu! |
| 06:24.38 | SNIa | lol |
| 06:24.42 | SNIa | I missed the slash |
| 06:24.49 | jetscreamer | i was being poetic |
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| 06:24.58 | SNIa | I Was being rhetoric |
| 06:25.10 | micols | simonrvn: http://rafb.net/p/Y5w87R58.html thats what i use now, i found tcp to add much overhead, my whole system is more responsive using udp |
| 06:25.14 | micols | simonrvn: even xterms |
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| 06:25.23 | piecesandbits | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.25 | hejux | hi |
| 06:25.28 | _vovkav_ | jetscreamer: as I have said - cifs is ok with that. and smbfs mounts this line as if there is only "ro" |
| 06:26.21 | hejux | how can i make scroll enable while clicking the middle button and moving the mouse ? |
| 06:26.24 | _vovkav_ | jetscreamer: tha fact is also that this line worked fine with smbfs some time ago - about a year |
| 06:26.56 | phorce1 | lets see, gigabit ethernet can transfer ip to about 120MB/sec so two of hem on one card needs 240MB/sec of bandwidth available. Stick the card in a 32bit 33Mhz slot that has 133MB/sec of bandwidth available <sigh> |
| 06:26.58 | micols | uh probably should use 4096 instead of 4092 :) |
| 06:27.00 | SNIa | hejux: use two mice |
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| 06:27.14 | SNIa | hejux: one for each hand |
| 06:27.24 | _vovkav_ | this actually worries me a bit - as if I am no longer in control of my system as it is with win32, and things are going unpredictable |
| 06:27.33 | phorce1 | 's fingers seems to be not working well tonight. Lots of missed letters up there |
| 06:27.42 | jelly-home | SNIa: what if he actually uses a trackpoint? |
| 06:27.49 | SNIa | _vovkav_: what do you mean win32 your'e not in control? |
| 06:28.00 | SNIa | jelly-home: then use two trackpoints! |
| 06:28.20 | jelly-home | !smack SNIa |
| 06:28.20 | dpkg | smacks SNIa upside the head. |
| 06:29.19 | SNIa | _vovkav_: what do you mean about win32, just out of curiosity |
| 06:29.20 | _vovkav_ | SNIa: When I use windows - I have to trust the predictability of a black box, ... and Bill |
| 06:29.37 | qq- | grendal_prime: an working example for dpkg-scanpackages >>> http://paste.debian.net/17643/ |
| 06:29.38 | SNIa | and that differs from Ubuntu? Have you read the source code? or...? |
| 06:29.44 | SNIa | err debian |
| 06:30.56 | phorce1 | hmmph, hejux quit and I was about to point him to the xorg mouse page where he could read about EmulateWheel |
| 06:31.04 | _vovkav_ | SNIa: I do sometimes - when there is need. And it solves problems |
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| 06:32.08 | SNIa | _vovkav_: i'm not sure how your trust changes the predictability & control of a system, that being mentioned, of win32 |
| 06:32.50 | _vovkav_ | SNIa: Thats why i left win32 world almost completly a year ago ;) |
| 06:33.05 | SNIa | win32 isn't bad, if you use it correctly |
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| 06:33.14 | SNIa | that said, it's not *great* either |
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| 06:33.24 | ceil420 | _vovkav_, Gates hasn't had much to do with Windows for a while |
| 06:33.26 | ceil420 | blame Ballmer |
| 06:33.32 | SNIa | i'm not blaming anyone |
| 06:33.33 | hejux | hello ? |
| 06:33.51 | SNIa | I'm definitely employed due to MS |
| 06:34.01 | ceil420 | i'm not :) |
| 06:34.38 | SNIa | well, I see "420" in your name, is that marijuana related? |
| 06:34.39 | hejux | clear |
| 06:34.49 | ceil420 | yes, and i am employed |
| 06:34.56 | ceil420 | (with a real job, i'm not a dealer or anything) |
| 06:35.00 | SNIa | ah |
| 06:35.04 | _vovkav_ | SNIa: You could also be the empire high command officer due to Palpatine, but I am unsure if this would be good for folks out there |
| 06:35.28 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 06:35.28 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 06:35.29 | SNIa | _vovkav_: I could be god too, while we are at it. |
| 06:35.32 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 06:35.35 | ceil420 | do people that make dark themes just not even think about the visibility of scrollbars? ;x |
| 06:36.04 | _vovkav_ | ceil420: I started using computers back in time of windows 3.0 |
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| 06:36.12 | ceil420 | _vovkav_, 3.1 here |
| 06:36.16 | jetscreamer | i make extra cash from fixing ppl's windows, windows roxors |
| 06:36.18 | jetscreamer | z |
| 06:36.21 | SNIa | _vovkav_: during your win32 era, did you use the system as Administrator? or a did you operate in least privilege? |
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| 06:36.25 | ceil420 | i remember drawing Pokemon in Paintbrush :) |
| 06:36.35 | ceil420 | (my best was Diglet, but my Staryu wasn't bad) |
| 06:36.58 | jetscreamer | i always run as admin, never get hacked, never get viruses or any problems |
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| 06:37.05 | jetscreamer | but enough |
| 06:37.17 | jetscreamer | goes away wondering about gasoline |
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| 06:37.33 | ceil420 | not every Windows user is dumb enough to click not_a_virus.jpg.exe |
| 06:37.36 | ceil420 | just a lot of them are :x |
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| 06:38.04 | ceil420 | (of course, even hardcore Windows users will agree that hiding file extensions by default was a retarded idea) |
| 06:38.19 | jetscreamer | windows is as good as it's admin.... just the standards to be admin are a lot lower... like 19.95 or something |
| 06:38.22 | unop | it worked tho |
| 06:38.25 | _vovkav_ | SNIa: both. I never used an antivirus, never got hacked. Though I got 2 viruses - one on an aluminium cd, and the other with the help of outlook express (that was the day i stopped using it) |
| 06:38.27 | SNIa | well, the latest round of tequila****@hotmail.com credit card, UPS, health care, etc... email viruses out there on the win32 platform. As a limited user, they didn't do shit. (yeah I test our email viruses at work... I'm curious what they will do) |
| 06:38.39 | SNIa | As administrator... major damage |
| 06:39.08 | ceil420 | unfortunately, many people run as admin on WinXP |
| 06:39.17 | jetscreamer | most eh |
| 06:39.20 | SNIa | ceil420: ^^ yes thats the major problem |
| 06:39.25 | SNIa | default out-of-the-box |
| 06:39.31 | jetscreamer | it's default and they don't know better |
| 06:39.36 | SNIa | To me, that's what MS is doing wrong |
| 06:39.44 | ceil420 | ohh, this Nodoka-Midnight dark theme has visible scrollbars :) |
| 06:39.49 | _vovkav_ | So, guys! How about my magic smbfs fstab entry? |
| 06:40.02 | jetscreamer | well that and the lame mushy stuff |
| 06:40.03 | ceil420 | i don't like the active window border being bright blue, but it ain't bad |
| 06:40.18 | ceil420 | SNIa, one of many things they're doing wrong, imo |
| 06:40.42 | SNIa | ceil420: I have yet to find a comprehensive office suite as feature-full as office... |
| 06:40.42 | ceil420 | someone had a good idea behind UAC... they just didn't carry out that idea very well |
| 06:40.52 | SNIa | UAC is a disaster |
| 06:41.01 | ceil420 | wotchu got against OpenOffice or StarOffice or other office suites? |
| 06:41.03 | SNIa | "access denied" is good enough |
| 06:41.09 | SNIa | no need to escelate through confusion |
| 06:41.11 | ceil420 | (i don't use Office-esque programs, so i really don't know) |
| 06:41.12 | jetscreamer | _vovkav_: _ sux, and check the group has perms on the mount and mountpoint |
| 06:41.22 | jetscreamer | i forgot what the gid was |
| 06:41.25 | ceil420 | SNIa, they just trained people to "click this button to make the dialogue go away" |
| 06:41.28 | SNIa | openoffice bleh |
| 06:41.45 | jetscreamer | but make sure that has the proper perms in (smb.conf?) |
| 06:42.05 | jetscreamer | and did you se if there was a #samba |
| 06:42.09 | jetscreamer | see |
| 06:42.09 | _vovkav_ | jetscreamer: changing smbfs to cifs still solves all the problems. permissions are ok. the point is mounted in both cases... any suggestions? |
| 06:42.25 | SNIa | _vovkav_: what is the error you get? |
| 06:42.40 | jetscreamer | fix your fstab entry :) |
| 06:42.41 | SNIa | maybe it's mounting via root, and samba root access is not allowed |
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| 06:43.07 | _vovkav_ | SNIa: NO error. it mounts. just without all the supplied params except ro/rw. |
| 06:43.38 | ceil420 | does anyone know what "Editable menu accelerators" is in Xfce? |
| 06:43.41 | SNIa | security level? share, domain, ad? |
| 06:43.54 | ceil420 | i've always wondered what that checkbox in the 'User Interface Preferences' dialogue does :x |
| 06:43.59 | phorce1_ | OK, where the best routing howto? I seem to have broken rtorrent (which is bound to my DSL connected eth0) when I added eth1 back into the mix. Looks like irssi is using eth0 just fine since my 'whois' here reports the DSL connection reverse address |
| 06:44.16 | SNIa | phorce1_: learn iproute2 |
| 06:44.48 | jetscreamer | _vovkav_: you have a duplicate of a sort: group and users . i'm not sure, but isn't it one or the other? so then mount takes up where the second one starts.. in this case, users ? |
| 06:44.51 | phorce1_ | rtorrent which is using an option to actually bind it to the eth0 IP suddenly can't seem to connect to ANYTHING. |
| 06:45.15 | jetscreamer | takes up parsing the options in the fstab line |
| 06:45.46 | SNIa | _vovkav_: does it have to be cifs? would NFS work? |
| 06:45.56 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 06:46.08 | jetscreamer | he said cifs works, smbfs doesn't |
| 06:46.20 | SNIa | phorce1_: route add default gw ip.ad.rr.ee.ss |
| 06:46.26 | SNIa | phorce1_: route delete default gw |
| 06:46.45 | SNIa | I'm guessing your second NIC did a DHCP |
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| 06:47.29 | phorce1_ | ohhhh, I bet I know whats going on. My nameservers are in the eth1 namespace and the fact that rtorrent is bound to eth0 means it can't reach them because default routing is trying to send the requests through eth1 |
| 06:47.47 | _vovkav_ | SNIa: smbfs doesn't work, cifs - does - so there is no problem - just worry. I dont' know whats is going on with my system. I seemed not to change anything related still the old line stopped to work |
| 06:47.51 | unop | one too many octects .ss :) |
| 06:48.10 | jetscreamer | but grammatically correct |
| 06:48.44 | SNIa | _vovkav_: I'm guessing that smbfs is deprecated |
| 06:48.48 | _vovkav_ | does smbfs mount use any settings from smb.conf? |
| 06:48.49 | SNIa | and cifs is taking over |
| 06:48.52 | jetscreamer | _vovkav_: take the users off |
| 06:49.05 | jetscreamer | not the gid=users, but the users |
| 06:49.14 | phorce1_ | huh? |
| 06:49.20 | jetscreamer | or take group off |
| 06:49.49 | SNIa | "smbfs is unmaintained and known to be severely broken. Please use cifs instead |
| 06:49.49 | SNIa | of smbfs, which works much better with recent kernels. You need mount.cifs to |
| 06:49.49 | SNIa | use it. Find more information at http://linux-cifs.samba.org/. If you find bugs |
| 06:49.51 | SNIa | using cifs, please report them they will be fixed more likely than bugs in smbfs." |
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| 06:49.59 | jetscreamer | /192.168.146.2/music /mnt/music smbfs group,gid=users,async,codepage=cp866,iocharset=utf8,uid=vovkav,users<---THIS,ro 0 2<--and wtf is this? |
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| 06:50.31 | SNIa | lol |
| 06:50.57 | jetscreamer | that is why it's loading only ro |
| 06:51.08 | jetscreamer | it's either group, or users |
| 06:51.11 | jetscreamer | not both |
| 06:51.22 | jetscreamer | i'm pretty sure |
| 06:51.58 | jetscreamer | and you're going to fsck your share? |
| 06:54.31 | phorce1 | crap, looks like all my traffic is shifting to eth1 because of this. Guess I need to set up local DNS and point resolv.conf only to 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:55.09 | _vovkav_ | i left only codepage, iocharset and uid - still the same result. F^%$%^! I've been using smbfs for 10 yrs, and suddenly it got broken... And where am I supposed to get the information about it's brokenness.... |
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| 06:55.24 | jetscreamer | i finally hooked my desktop up, and was cp'ing about 16 gigs of vids. the generator ran out of gas :/ |
| 06:55.31 | jetscreamer | no ups |
| 06:55.48 | SNIa | _vovkav_: use cifs, smbfs is depricated |
| 06:56.01 | jetscreamer | deprecated |
| 06:56.02 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: my UPS REALLY didn't like the power that was coming out of the generator |
| 06:56.03 | _vovkav_ | ok, thanks. But still if things suddenly stop working - this is shit! |
| 06:56.40 | phorce1 | I had to pull it out of the loop and go straight from generato to surge strips |
| 06:56.43 | SNIa | thank you spelling nazi |
| 06:56.51 | jetscreamer | phorce1: all my lights that are on a rheostat (dimmer switch) detest the generators. they flash :) |
| 06:57.09 | SNIa | jetscreamer: if your UPS didn't like the power, your power supplies likely do not either... |
| 06:57.24 | jetscreamer | i don't have a ups :) |
| 06:57.33 | jetscreamer | or :| |
| 06:57.59 | jetscreamer | my desktop puts a huge load on the small generator, also |
| 06:58.06 | jetscreamer | so does the crt |
| 06:58.23 | jetscreamer | laptop rox tough |
| 06:58.29 | jetscreamer | though |
| 06:58.30 | SNIa | maybe consider a laptop and save the environment a litle? |
| 06:58.36 | _vovkav_ | maybe UPS/battery is about to die - no matter of incoming power? |
| 06:58.39 | jetscreamer | <-lappy |
| 06:58.52 | SNIa | s/tle/ttle/ |
| 06:59.38 | jetscreamer | i was going to reclone my laptop's hd though, and i do that on the desktop... can't find the original image dammit |
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| 07:00.13 | jetscreamer | and i JUST gave the original hd away (after dd'ing it) :( |
| 07:00.29 | jetscreamer | a 10 gigger |
| 07:00.36 | qq- | phorce1: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward <<<<< does output == "1" ? |
| 07:00.41 | _vovkav_ | ok, thanks! and bye! |
| 07:00.45 | SNIa | dd thats a brutal tool to do disk clones |
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| 07:00.53 | jetscreamer | no i zero'd it |
| 07:00.55 | SNIa | ah |
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| 07:01.51 | ceil420 | mpg123 /media/music/trance/* ; dd if=/dev/snd of=/dev/sda |
| 07:01.57 | ceil420 | >_> |
| 07:02.05 | SNIa | jetscreamer: but was that enough?.... |
| 07:02.22 | ceil420 | SNIa, making every bit on the hard drive have a value of 0? |
| 07:02.28 | jetscreamer | there was nothing of mine on it |
| 07:02.44 | SNIa | i'm talking about secure wiping methods |
| 07:03.17 | jetscreamer | well then i wrote the image of the drive the one i donated was replacing onto it |
| 07:03.27 | ceil420 | if you need more than one pass of a /dev/urandom, you should just grab some iron oxide and aluminum and go thermite on the thing |
| 07:03.33 | jetscreamer | and installed linux a few times |
| 07:03.54 | jetscreamer | then deleted it all over and just make a big windows part |
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| 07:04.11 | jetscreamer | and put his windows just like it was |
| 07:04.25 | jetscreamer | i split the drive in the first place, but x sucked |
| 07:04.30 | jetscreamer | old toshiba |
| 07:04.39 | jetscreamer | x sucks on this laptop also |
| 07:04.43 | jetscreamer | for 3d |
| 07:04.43 | SNIa | http://cmrr.ucsd.edu/people/Hughes/SecureErase.shtml |
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| 07:05.11 | phorce1_ | well, this is starting to suck. looks like I keep flipping from one ethx to the other |
| 07:05.22 | qq- | phorce1: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward <<<<< does output == "1" ? |
| 07:05.29 | SNIa | phorce1_: what does route tell you |
| 07:06.10 | phorce1_ | qq- "0" |
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| 07:07.00 | jetscreamer | urandom takes forever |
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| 07:07.15 | phorce1_ | SNIa: http://paste.debian.net/17647/ |
| 07:07.51 | ceil420 | A: Secure erase overwrites all user data areas with binary zeroes. |
| 07:07.56 | eak | hi ,every bodyy |
| 07:07.57 | ceil420 | SNIa, that program does what he did.. |
| 07:08.17 | SNIa | ceil420: route |
| 07:08.29 | SNIa | phorce1_: you have 2 default gateways |
| 07:08.33 | SNIa | haha |
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| 07:08.56 | qq- | phorce1_: as root do " echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward " |
| 07:09.27 | phorce1_ | jetscreamer: hackaday.com just had an article about securely 'cleaning' hard drives |
| 07:09.48 | phorce1_ | jetscreamer: with homemade thermite |
| 07:10.01 | jetscreamer | ooo |
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| 07:10.13 | ceil420 | jetscreamer, if urandom takes too long, you can just use the trance music method i posted earlier :p |
| 07:10.25 | ceil420 | (i also mentioned thermite, but i was mostly kidding >_>) |
| 07:10.25 | phorce1_ | now what the heck created two default GW's? I didn't add them by hand |
| 07:10.26 | jetscreamer | my idea was an elecromagnet, an acid bath, then a pit of molten steel |
| 07:10.43 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.49 | phorce1_ | Thermite is cooler |
| 07:10.54 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 07:10.58 | phorce1_ | (or hotter as the case may be) |
| 07:11.02 | jetscreamer | !thermite++ |
| 07:11.11 | ceil420 | jetscreamer, don't forget to grind the hardened molten hard drive into powder and scatter it in the wind |
| 07:11.47 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 07:12.17 | phorce1_ | wanders off to read 'man route' to figure out what may be adding the second default |
| 07:12.39 | jetscreamer | a toast to that |
| 07:12.53 | jetscreamer | to that toasted hd |
| 07:13.20 | SNIa | phorce1_: DHCP client |
| 07:13.43 | phorce1_ | hmmm, how do I get rid of one default when there are 2? remove both then add back one? |
| 07:13.49 | SNIa | jetscreamer: a degaused hard drive is gauranteed 100% wiped |
| 07:13.56 | jetscreamer | !SNIa++ |
| 07:14.29 | jetscreamer | you can probably set it in the dhcp client conf also? |
| 07:14.34 | SNIa | but, a degaused hard drive, the motor is screwed, the actuators are toast, the circuit board is fried |
| 07:14.49 | jetscreamer | but what about the platters |
| 07:14.55 | SNIa | done |
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| 07:15.13 | SNIa | completely re-polarized |
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| 07:15.39 | jetscreamer | could use em for skeet! |
| 07:15.48 | SNIa | had to deal with degaused hard drives with maxtor and WD for a certain US inst. |
| 07:16.18 | phorce1_ | Well, the 65.170.133 default route is now gone. Let's see if I get flipped back over to the DSL connection when irssi gets confused |
| 07:16.24 | jetscreamer | (and not having to worry about picking up the pieces) |
| 07:17.11 | phorce1_ | Oh, and jetscreamer Before getting bounced earlier I asked this ... |
| 07:17.15 | jetscreamer | ugh maxtor in the old days |
| 07:17.25 | SNIa | I prefer seagate |
| 07:17.26 | phorce1_ | jetscreamer: criminy, what's in that desktop? To save fuel I moved 3 servers, a Cisco CSU/DSU, a 24port GB switch and a KVM off to a small 1000Watt gen and it handled that just fine. |
| 07:18.29 | jetscreamer | well that's on top of the fans, lights, big screen, coffeepot, modem, cable.... :) |
| 07:18.50 | SNIa | jetscreamer: where is this that you need a generator? a mining camp? |
| 07:18.59 | jetscreamer | but i turn on the crt, you can hear it on the generator's load.. and the fan's rpm's go way down |
| 07:19.18 | jetscreamer | SNIa: houston, hurricane, no power... |
| 07:19.25 | SNIa | still? wow |
| 07:19.29 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 07:19.38 | jetscreamer | next street has power |
| 07:19.47 | jetscreamer | not my block |
| 07:19.52 | SNIa | I lived in Ottawa during that power outage in 03 |
| 07:19.55 | jetscreamer | and no trucks in sight |
| 07:20.09 | SNIa | amazing the chaos that happens when power is lost for a long period of time |
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| 07:20.38 | jetscreamer | lots of the red lights in my area don't have power... don't even blink |
| 07:20.47 | jetscreamer | i don't mean hookers ;) |
| 07:20.50 | SNIa | broken glass in the middle of them? |
| 07:21.05 | jetscreamer | no, not the ones still hanging |
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| 07:21.53 | jetscreamer | one of my wires came out of the 3 that lead to my house from the pole |
| 07:22.02 | jetscreamer | also |
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| 07:22.24 | jetscreamer | we hooked it up with jumper cables :) (it's the ground) |
| 07:22.53 | jetscreamer | no power on the line though |
| 07:23.01 | phorce1 | SNIa: The cops wandered in to check on me a coupel of days in when I had the office doors open for a breeze. They forgot to call out as they walked in. they walked right back out when confronted with a fat old ugly guy holding a handgun and with a rifle next to him |
| 07:23.04 | mallxs | Hi if i need to replace files but i wanne the new files to keep own and mod of org file ... what will i use ? |
| 07:23.06 | jetscreamer | it 'would' function |
| 07:23.25 | SNIa | phorce1: whoa |
| 07:24.15 | phorce1 | SNIa: I am an ISP. Lots of computers for looting. Lots of firepower to suggest that looters not try. |
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| 07:24.40 | SNIa | lives in Canada, not many guns here |
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| 07:25.05 | jetscreamer | cept the guns the criminals have |
| 07:25.32 | SNIa | ah... the never ending arms race |
| 07:25.33 | phorce1 | mallxs: "replace"? |
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| 07:25.53 | SNIa | after guns, then what? bombs? |
| 07:26.08 | SNIa | I don't live in gaza for a reason |
| 07:26.10 | jetscreamer | there are no bombs |
| 07:26.26 | jetscreamer | and you don't have to live in gaza |
| 07:26.42 | SNIa | metaphorically speaking |
| 07:27.10 | jetscreamer | you take the blue pill |
| 07:27.14 | mallxs | phorce1: replace - a string-replacement utility .... I need to replace the file ! it's a joomla update but it has to keep the cred's of the orignal user |
| 07:27.24 | SNIa | oh no, I have the red pill |
| 07:28.08 | SNIa | I think the proper analogy is |
| 07:28.18 | SNIa | If you stare into the abyss long enough the abyss stares back at you |
| 07:28.19 | jetscreamer | i lived in montreal.. it rocked |
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| 07:28.38 | SNIa | I lived in Montreal for a year and a bit, was pretty fun |
| 07:28.54 | SNIa | jetscreamer: what part? |
| 07:29.03 | SNIa | I was in Ville St. Laurent |
| 07:29.04 | phorce1 | mallxs: The only way I can think to do it would be to script around it with chown |
| 07:29.08 | jetscreamer | pierrefonds |
| 07:29.14 | jetscreamer | i was 16 |
| 07:29.14 | nkuttler | mallxs: man cp |
| 07:29.39 | jetscreamer | ooo, 30 years ago |
| 07:29.49 | phorce1 | mallxs: If you were just copying new files over the old ones there are switches to 'cp' for keeping original owner etc. intact |
| 07:30.38 | mallxs | -p .... i'm dump :-) |
| 07:30.38 | mallxs | ths |
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| 07:31.08 | SNIa | jetscreamer: ah... west island |
| 07:31.57 | jetscreamer | i screwed up the mainframe at some large aviation plant when i was on a school work thing :) |
| 07:32.02 | jetscreamer | oopsies |
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| 07:33.02 | phorce1 | bombs are too inaccurate. This is the gun laying on my desk and usually in my "watch pocket" when walking the grounds. http://randywakeman.com/naa22minirevolver.htm |
| 07:33.23 | SNIa | so more so, my quote above |
| 07:33.28 | jetscreamer | rick wakeman > randy wakeman |
| 07:33.34 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 07:34.07 | jetscreamer | goes away |
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| 07:34.22 | SNIa | against guns |
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| 07:34.54 | phorce1 | SNIa: But it's cute! 5" total length. |
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| 07:35.04 | los|s | hi |
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| 07:35.13 | los|s | how doi install the nvidia driver on debian lenny? |
| 07:35.25 | liable | gun .. cute ? |
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| 07:35.34 | los|s | should i download the nvidia package from their website? |
| 07:35.43 | SNIa | well, I had a neighbor across the street who had guns, shot at stuff on our property, (seriously) then maybe a month later killed a boot legger with a crossbow |
| 07:35.51 | Ape3000 | I just installed debian lenny from dvd, but when I try to boot I can't see anything. I think it's offering resolution that is too high for my monitor. |
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| 07:35.56 | SNIa | cute or not, i'm just not into guns |
| 07:36.06 | hejux | ls |
| 07:36.08 | Ape3000 | I didn't see any markings about resolution on the xorg.conf |
| 07:36.32 | los|s | is debian testing more stable than sid? |
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| 07:36.39 | phorce1 | Ranges are for sport shooting, not yards. |
| 07:36.43 | phorce1 | los|s: yes |
| 07:37.33 | Ape3000 | So how can I change the login GUI resolution with text-only mode? |
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| 07:37.50 | phorce1 | los|s: and ther are probably 3 or 4 ways to install nvidia drivers. But do NOT use their "setup" script. |
| 07:38.23 | hejux | hi,all,i am using HP 6515b and there is a on/off button on a touchpad to open or close wireless card ,the problem is , when i touch the on/off icon ,and it does't light a green led, and then i run lspci , there isn't wireless card listed either, what can i do to make linux recognize my Wlan ? |
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| 07:38.36 | phorce1 | Ape3000: add 'vga=ask' to your boot options |
| 07:39.17 | SNIa | phorce1: solid advice, however that should be given to the operator |
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| 07:39.33 | hejux | anybody could help me ? |
| 07:40.14 | daniiel | hejux, depends on the question =) |
| 07:40.43 | hejux | daniiel: what do you mean ? |
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| 07:41.35 | hejux | it's not a hard on/off button , it need to be touched ... and i think it need a driver to work ... |
| 07:41.36 | phorce1 | daniiel: He asked ^^^ up there a couple of lines |
| 07:41.41 | daniiel | oh what, pidgin hid some of my scrollback i see now |
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| 07:41.55 | daniiel | i've never used it for irc before..=P |
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| 07:42.59 | hejux | daniiel: i don't use pidgin as irc client either, i use irrsi ... it's fast and nice ? is there something faster than irssi ? |
| 07:43.41 | daniiel | no idea, you have a broadcom chipset for wireless ? |
| 07:44.08 | daniiel | i usually use xchat, but figured i'd try out pidgin's irc |
| 07:44.20 | hejux | daniiel: yes it's broadcom |
| 07:44.48 | daniiel | ecth or lenny ? |
| 07:44.52 | hejux | xchat works fine under windows ... |
| 07:47.10 | daniiel | hejux, are you using etch or lenny on your laptop |
| 07:47.26 | jetscreamer | guess i'll gas up |
| 07:47.40 | hejux | daniiel: i have a 7 buttons mice , and it works fine under linux. should i config a evdev driver for it ?it's said faster and less latemcy |
| 07:47.40 | jetscreamer | yes xchat for windows silverex.org |
| 07:48.53 | hejux | ohh... not many people talking in this room |
| 07:49.00 | hejux | maybe they are sleeping ? |
| 07:49.16 | hejux | but it's 3:50 PM here |
| 07:49.38 | daniiel | heh i think it's about 3:50 AM here =) |
| 07:49.46 | idimmu | 8:50 am here |
| 07:49.49 | mohadib | hejux: go to bed tweaker |
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| 07:50.13 | Banoof | Hi, is it possible to find etch5 packages anywhere? |
| 07:50.48 | Banoof | or, has anyone been able to work around the mysql5 bug in etch6? I couldn't find any useful information on google... |
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| 07:51.08 | hejux | hehe |
| 07:51.41 | hejux | linux is really powfull if well configured ... |
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| 07:52.31 | hejux | for example , my synaptics touchpad , under linux, i can click with 2 and 3 finger ,but under windows , i can't do that ... |
| 07:52.37 | simonrvn | !room |
| 07:52.37 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 07:52.53 | simonrvn | Banoof: etch5? |
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| 07:53.32 | simonrvn | etch6? wtf are you talking about? |
| 07:54.14 | Banoof | this is the problematic package: pool/main/m/mysql-dfsg-5.0/mysql-server_5.0.32-7etch6_all.deb |
| 07:54.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | simonrvn, mysql-server releases |
| 07:54.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm guesing |
| 07:54.33 | Banoof | If you google it, you'll find a sh*tload of bug complaints with no solutions |
| 07:55.00 | simonrvn | ok, makes sense now |
| 07:55.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | Banoof, whats "the" myqsl bug? |
| 07:55.08 | simonrvn | uses backports |
| 07:55.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | *mysql |
| 07:55.30 | Banoof | Kamping_Kaiser: The configuration script doesn't work, as in, "couldn't run --configure" |
| 07:55.40 | Banoof | wait, I'll dump an install log somewhere |
| 07:55.41 | mallxs | phorce1: ReportBack: It's cp -r --no-preserve=mode,ownership source dest |
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| 07:56.29 | Banoof | http://pastebin.ca/1207253 |
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| 07:57.01 | Banoof | I know this problem doesn't exist with the etch5 package, but it's nowhere to be found... |
| 07:57.32 | simonrvn | !sdn |
| 07:57.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 07:57.39 | phorce1 | mallxs: good. Now I just need to get my routes straight |
| 07:57.43 | Banoof | thanks |
| 07:57.45 | simonrvn | probably there |
| 07:58.15 | mallxs | phorce1: and the problem is ? |
| 07:58.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | Banoof, when has this problem started? ( i dont ue mysql on debian, so i cant check here ...) |
| 07:58.58 | phorce1 | mallxs: trying to be picky about what interface gets "preferred" by apps |
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| 07:59.32 | phorce1 | Somewhere in my networking scripts I'm getting 2 default gateways added |
| 07:59.46 | phorce1 | I'm too tired to be making network changes |
| 08:00.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | Banoof, if you manually stop mysql then try and run the update, what happens? |
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| 08:00.29 | NeoIce | why do all the random system users have login shells? |
| 08:00.30 | mallxs | phorce1: and is that different "preferred" for different apps ? |
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| 08:02.07 | Banoof | Kamping_Kaiser: I tried purging it completely |
| 08:02.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | Banoof, mysql? but had it stopped? |
| 08:02.29 | phorce1 | mallxs: Most everything is using the default gateway right now. Things got weird when I tried to add a static route to my office network. It's playing nice right now so I'm about to try to get some sleep and mess with it when I wake up |
| 08:02.40 | phorce1 | (it's 0300 here) |
| 08:03.21 | mallxs | phorce1: good night .. it's 10am here |
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| 08:04.28 | mallxs | phorce1: hint maybe .. you can also set the route in the if-up.d for that interface |
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| 08:04.59 | phorce1 | mallxs: That's where I set it |
| 08:05.21 | Sabrejack | I'm installing lenny beta 2 using an i386 netinst CD, but every mirror I try for packages fails with "Downloading a file failed: " with nothing after it. Error console shows "gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--crc error" and "gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--length error" even though wget reports the file downloaded successfully. any suggestions? |
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| 08:09.52 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.10 | gionn | Sabrejack, last time i seen a broken install procedure, it was caused by bad ram block :P |
| 08:10.35 | NeoIce | is there any purpose to all the users in /etc/passwd? I dont use a printer or uucp or news. |
| 08:10.47 | wols_ | NeoIce: yes there is |
| 08:11.00 | Sabrejack | wols_: I have never installed debian before this. |
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| 08:11.15 | wols_ | Sabrejack: that's not what I asked |
| 08:11.22 | Sabrejack | gionn: hmmm... you know, my PC didn't like this ram either now that I think about it. |
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| 08:11.33 | wols_ | Sabrejack: you can install debian via netinst without needing any network |
| 08:11.41 | NeoIce | wols_: do you know of a page that explains or would mind briefly outlining their purpose? |
| 08:11.50 | Sabrejack | wols_: I did not understand the question, then. |
| 08:11.52 | wols_ | NeoIce: no |
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| 08:12.12 | wols_ | Sabrejack: install debian WITHOUT using the network at all. you can do that with netinst |
| 08:12.30 | Sabrejack | wols_: ah... well, yes, I could just burn a full DVD if I wanted to. |
| 08:12.49 | wols_ | you do NOT need anything more. the netinst you have is sufficient |
| 08:13.51 | Sabrejack | oh, I see.. you're suggesting I bare-bones it and finish up with apt afterwords. |
| 08:14.28 | ninjaslim | Sabrejack: a netinst will let you install packages during the install after you install the base system, whether you want to or not is a different story |
| 08:14.35 | ninjaslim | the DVD is completely unnecessary |
| 08:15.02 | NeoIce | wols_: the users dont even own any files. |
| 08:15.27 | Sabrejack | I did want to, mainly because installing things like x11 anywhere but during install has always gone poorly for me |
| 08:15.31 | wols_ | NeoIce: they are role accounts. why do you care about them? |
| 08:15.57 | wols_ | Sabrejack: it doesn't matter when you install something |
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| 08:16.42 | Sabrejack | so if I install barebones, and then install x11 later, it will automatically boot into a pretty graphical environment from that point on without my having to tinker with config files? |
| 08:16.54 | NeoIce | wols_: its always bothered me. feels cluttered. |
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| 08:17.07 | ninjaslim | Sabrejack: so install the base system and make sure you select standard system when it asks if you want to install desktop env and such, that'll be barebones |
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| 08:17.28 | ninjaslim | then update your system when you first login, switch branches to testing or unstable if you want to, then install all the packages you need to |
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| 08:17.43 | wols_ | ninjaslim: not true |
| 08:17.46 | Sabrejack | a big fat DVD is sounding easier at this point. |
| 08:17.51 | ninjaslim | if i'm using Debian, then that's how i usually do it, otherwise (I spend most of my time on FreeBSD" |
| 08:17.55 | ninjaslim | wols: what's not true? |
| 08:17.56 | Sabrejack | 10 mbit cable to the rescue. |
| 08:18.04 | wols_ | ninjaslim: what you tell him, which is gibberish |
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| 08:18.28 | _moro_bana_ | hello, when i boot into my freshly installed debian, i get this /bin/sh: cant access tty;job control turned off. what could be the problem? |
| 08:18.29 | ninjaslim | wols_: what's not true about it? |
| 08:18.30 | Sabrejack | of course, if these RAM sticks are crap, it may not matter. gonna run the memtest disc first. thanks guys. |
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| 08:18.52 | wols_ | ninjaslim: for starters he already runs a lenny installer cd. and the rest you told him is also bullshit |
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| 08:19.34 | Christoph_vW | do I need something special to build 32bit stuff on debian x64? I always get "C compiler can not create executables" |
| 08:19.40 | ninjaslim | wols_: i stepped in halfway through the convo, and if you're not going to give me specifics then i can't do anything about that |
| 08:19.45 | Christoph_vW | I already install build-essential, make, ... |
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| 08:20.15 | wols_ | puts ninjaslim on ignore |
| 08:21.28 | wols_ | Christoph_vW: -m32 |
| 08:21.30 | ninjaslim | Christoph_vW: i'm not sure if you actually can, i think you can use the -m32 C/CXX flags to do this |
| 08:21.30 | beardy | Don't tell people that's not asking, or shouldn't, to use testing or unstable. |
| 08:21.36 | trigpin | im running debian lenny and am trying to install ubuntu netbook theme |
| 08:21.46 | Christoph_vW | wols_: that's what I added already |
| 08:22.05 | trigpin | https://edge.launchpad.net/netbook-remix it says nothing about debain will it work ? |
| 08:22.45 | wols_ | trigpin: we don't know or care |
| 08:22.57 | simonrvn | trigpin: because that's ubuntu... |
| 08:23.12 | simonrvn | !debain |
| 08:23.12 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 08:23.17 | trigpin | thought debain / ubuntu were pretty much same |
| 08:23.27 | micols | i want to be able to use my 2.nd netcard to route traffic through in case my first NIC is much in use, do i really need bonding for this, or can route add using some cost metric be used? |
| 08:23.33 | ninjaslim | if they were i wouldn't be using debian |
| 08:23.35 | wols_ | you thought very wrongly trigpin |
| 08:24.11 | trigpin | / hides |
| 08:24.40 | simonrvn | gives trigpin a 'me' |
| 08:25.13 | daniiel | trigpin, just try it, who knows.. at worst it won't install/work. it's not likely to break anything.. |
| 08:25.29 | simonrvn | or it may break everything |
| 08:25.41 | simonrvn | daniiel: don't suggest such things |
| 08:25.50 | _moro_bana_ | hello, when i boot into my freshly installed debian, i get this /bin/sh: cant access tty;job control turned off. it cant lauch the desktop. help |
| 08:26.07 | Christoph_vW | oh /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_s |
| 08:26.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | trigpin, do not install software built for Ubuntu on Debian. |
| 08:26.35 | beardy | micols: Not afaik. You have to use a routing daemon, and a routing protocol for that. Possibly it can be made with iptables in some way, but not sure this moment how. |
| 08:27.33 | trigpin | Kamping_Kaiser, ok |
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| 08:29.41 | micols | beardy: i wonder how to configure bonding on a thin client :) |
| 08:29.46 | Christoph_vW | any idea why it can't find the lib? |
| 08:29.51 | micols | beardy: it wouldn't like me bringing the interface down |
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| 08:31.21 | beardy | micols: Bonding? |
| 08:31.32 | beardy | micols: Just bring both of them up then. |
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| 08:33.38 | mnabil__ | guys, how can i use debtree to get all packages dependencies , i need to get all in one report ? |
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| 08:34.21 | Arme[N] | There is a memory_limit directive for mod-php, I just set it to 50M and phpinfo shows it is set to 50M, but apache2 limits the memory amount to 20M, I just found RLimitMEM in documentaion of apache, it is not used in virtualhost and .htaccess. |
| 08:34.26 | Arme[N] | In documentation mentioned that it "uses operating system defaults", I just checked ulimit and there is no limitation for memory size, even I checked it with e small php script. http://pastebin.ca/1207269. I'm using debian etch with lastet upgraded packages. is this a bug? |
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| 08:37.41 | beni- | hi. i'd like to install kde 4.1 on my debian etch, but i found no tutorial how to do that online. i tried 'aptitude -t experimental install kde4-minimal' but i have a lot of unresolved dependencies like those: "kdelibs-bin: Depends: libsoprano4 (>= 2.1) which is a virtual package." how can i tell aptitude to install all dependencies also from experimental-branch? |
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| 08:38.23 | beardy | !experimental |
| 08:38.24 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 08:38.28 | beardy | Stop that. |
| 08:38.32 | beardy | !sns syndrome |
| 08:38.32 | dpkg | from memory, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 08:39.08 | Christoph_vW | looks like there are no 32bit gcc libs in debian x64 :/ |
| 08:39.32 | giblet | LOL |
| 08:39.46 | SNIa | well yeah... |
| 08:39.48 | giblet | I think I'll use that next time I see someone with SNS |
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| 08:40.27 | _moro_bana_ | hello, when i boot into my freshly installed debian, i get this /bin/sh: cant access tty;job control turned off. it cant lauch the desktop. help |
| 08:40.42 | NeoIce | if I install apache2 on etch, who should own /var/www? |
| 08:40.46 | beni- | beardy: is there a possibility to try out KDE 4.1 without some experimentals? |
| 08:41.00 | adama | I'm having trouble playing a DVD. I installed libdvdcss2 and totem-xine and all that, and the menus work but when I play it it's just green blocks and gobbledygook. Running lenny |
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| 08:42.03 | adama | NeoIce: www-data |
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| 08:42.16 | bender183 | hey guys, i run an tomcat xmlfeed server cluster which takes in about 150 million queries a day of 1k packets and sends out about 100 million queries a day in 1k packets ....ive been looking around for kernel parameters to optimize the kernel for this type of network traffic anyone have any ideas for a good place to start research on this or know any kernel params off the top of your head which would help optimize this? |
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| 08:43.10 | NeoIce | adama: something must be broke if its root:root, huh |
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| 08:43.52 | adama | not necessarily, does it not work? |
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| 08:44.13 | asdffdsa | what is the recommended way to update google earth? |
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| 08:44.29 | NeoIce | adama: well apache2 wasnt, but I blame my hardware for that. apache works, but still root owned /www |
| 08:44.30 | asdffdsa | the app tells me there is a new version, apt-get tells me it's the newest version |
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| 08:45.49 | adama | NeoIce: it should be a problem if it's owned by root, unless it tries to make dirs or new files |
| 08:46.02 | simonrvn | bender183: such things aren't done off the top of your head. that said, there's a few docs around on the web that talk about tweaking the network. look for network sysctland maybe insert a 'tweak' or 'configuration' in there. |
| 08:46.11 | NeoIce | adama: can I just chown -R ? |
| 08:46.14 | adama | NeoIce: I mean Shouldn'T sorry |
| 08:46.38 | adama | could try it, I thought it was working already though? |
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| 08:46.54 | adama | I'm having trouble playing a DVD. I installed libdvdcss2 and totem-xine and all that, and the menus work but when I play it it's just green blocks and gobbledygook. Running lenny |
| 08:47.06 | NeoIce | adama: the box will be public and have multiple users with vhosts |
| 08:47.28 | NeoIce | I even did dpkg-reconfigure |
| 08:47.35 | adama | let me check my server which has that... |
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| 08:48.13 | NeoIce | my home machine is set up with www-data owning it |
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| 08:48.29 | simonrvn | asdffdsa: it's built with googleearth-package usually... or just install it yourself |
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| 08:49.07 | adama | NeoIce: mine is all owned by root, even the folders in /var/www/vhosts |
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| 08:49.37 | asdffdsa | simonrvn, ah, ok. that doesn't make sense from my point of view, but it works :) |
| 08:49.49 | NeoIce | and thats not a security risk? |
| 08:49.57 | adama | NeoIce: the users own a bunch of their folders in their vhosts/domain.tld only, and www-data owns not much |
| 08:50.11 | simonrvn | asdffdsa: it's not dfsg-free software |
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| 08:50.44 | asdffdsa | simonrvn, i know that, i just think the naming is unfortunate |
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| 08:51.15 | asdffdsa | if anything, it shoudl be called googleearth-packager and googleearth-blob or something |
| 08:52.09 | simonrvn | talk to the maintainer... |
| 08:52.11 | asdffdsa | but it doesn't matter too much, as I am building the new package, already |
| 08:52.30 | asdffdsa | i will :) |
| 08:53.01 | asdffdsa | though existing names tend not to be changed (for good reasons) |
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| 08:53.40 | simonrvn | there's other packages that do a similar job, with a similar name. |
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| 08:57.25 | TiMiDo | !tmsnc |
| 08:57.33 | TiMiDo | !google tmsnc |
| 08:57.38 | NeoIce | why doesnt the sshd user come with the 'disabled' flag set, but uses 'nologin' as a shell? |
| 08:57.53 | NeoIce | similarly, why do all the system accounts come disabled, but use /bin/sh? |
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| 09:01.25 | wols_ | NeoIce: root owning /var/www is the right one and www-data owning it is the stupidest thing you can imagine, and NOT a debian default |
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| 09:09.33 | hyper_ch | hmmm, is there a way to set the rate of the wifi card in the interfaces file? so far I ifdown, set the rate and ifup again.... could I just enter rate 54M in the interfaces instead? |
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| 09:09.38 | asdffdsa | does anyone know how to manually create a path in google earth? |
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| 09:13.11 | adama | I'm having trouble playing a DVD. I installed libdvdcss2 and totem-xine and all that, and the menus work but when I play it it's just green blocks and gobbledygook. Running lenny |
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| 09:14.17 | mral3x | had anyone managed to install corel draw under debian ? |
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| 09:14.54 | amphi | damn, corel draw still exists? |
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| 09:15.07 | mral3x | :) |
| 09:15.11 | mral3x | what do you use then ? |
| 09:15.29 | amphi | inkscape is a vector graphics prog |
| 09:16.06 | mral3x | ok ... then what about photoshop ? .... don't tell me to use gimp |
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| 09:16.57 | amphi | use gimp ;) |
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| 09:17.59 | amphi | if you _need_ windows programs, why not run them under windows in a VM? |
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| 09:18.47 | mral3x | i'd like to but it doesn't work to well |
| 09:19.04 | KnuckOne | why ? |
| 09:19.12 | cahoot | run windows apps in their native environement? |
| 09:19.23 | mral3x | no ... it's not about the app |
| 09:19.32 | mral3x | it's about the environement |
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| 09:19.40 | amphi | mral3x: eh? |
| 09:19.56 | mral3x | the windows works kinda slow in a virtual machine under linux |
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| 09:20.20 | amphi | what do you mean "it's about the environment"? |
| 09:20.27 | mral3x | i just said |
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| 09:20.28 | KnuckOne | qemu with the kernel module run as fast as a non-emulated system |
| 09:20.39 | KnuckOne | at least for me |
| 09:20.48 | mral3x | speaking of kernels |
| 09:20.55 | mral3x | i have a asus f5m laptop |
| 09:20.55 | amphi | KnuckOne: well, not quite - IME it's ~2x slowdown with the module |
| 09:21.15 | amphi | vbox might be better, I haven't really tried it |
| 09:21.24 | mral3x | and if i upgrade to the latest kernel ... it happens to just crash without any errors ... |
| 09:21.29 | KnuckOne | that's why i'm saying 'at least for me' even if to be honest on amd64 it's less effective |
| 09:21.46 | KnuckOne | s/effective/efficient/ |
| 09:22.16 | amphi | KnuckOne: I used to run various OSes under qemu on a PIII, and they were quite usable |
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| 09:23.10 | mral3x | do you use qemu while running the X server ? |
| 09:23.29 | amphi | mral3x: I did, yes; I haven't used it in a while |
| 09:23.53 | amphi | mral3x: whic 'latest kernel', BTW? |
| 09:23.57 | amphi | *which |
| 09:24.44 | mral3x | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 09:25.30 | mral3x | with this use of memory Mem: 906296 846132 60164 ... i don't think i'll have a chance running the qemu and X at the same time |
| 09:25.36 | flokuehn | hi. is it possible to create an extended partition with the debian installer ? |
| 09:26.03 | flokuehn | iam trying to install debain lenny with latest installer |
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| 09:26.25 | zxxd | hi |
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| 09:26.37 | zxxd | the scripts in /etc/cron.daily run one at a time right ? not all at once |
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| 09:27.20 | cahoot | zxxd: look in /etc/crontab |
| 09:27.36 | MTecknology | So... How nice is Debian with PPC support? |
| 09:27.40 | cahoot | zxxd: err - disregard |
| 09:28.04 | amphi | MTecknology: worked well, the last time I tried it - I installed it for someone on an old ibook |
| 09:28.15 | amphi | MTecknology: that was a while back |
| 09:28.26 | MTecknology | amphi: I'm looking to install it on an old imac |
| 09:28.42 | MTecknology | about the oldest system I've seen somebody actually use |
| 09:28.50 | MTecknology | How hard is it to setup dialup? |
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| 09:29.04 | amphi | pppconfig makes it pretty trivial |
| 09:29.15 | MTecknology | aight, ty |
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| 09:29.55 | lxsameer | witch one is newer and better ? reiserfs or reiser4? |
| 09:29.56 | amphi | MTecknology: if you want to GUIfy it, you can bind 'pon/poff whatever' to a gkrellm button, for example |
| 09:30.14 | mral3x | can i install windows on a partition and emulate it with qemu ? |
| 09:30.20 | amphi | lxsameer: rieser4 is newer |
| 09:30.36 | amphi | mral3x: yes, qemu can boot real partitions |
| 09:30.53 | lxsameer | amphi : is it better? |
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| 09:31.14 | amphi | lxsameer: no idea - I haven't used reiser in a long time - too scary ;) |
| 09:31.38 | MTecknology | amphi: It's for my grandma. The mac OS running on that thing is the worst thing in the world |
| 09:31.46 | amphi | did a --rebuild-tree once, and that was enough |
| 09:31.54 | amphi | MTecknology: OS9? ;) |
| 09:32.02 | g00se | Given that my new 250G slave drive is to be used mainly for backup/data storage is not the default 5% reserved superblock in mke2fs excessive? What would a better figure be without jeopardy? |
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| 09:32.05 | lxsameer | amphi : why ? i hear that it is the best and speedy filesystem |
| 09:32.25 | MTecknology | amphi: older |
| 09:32.46 | amphi | lxsameer: reiserfsck has been movingly described as a 'horror reanimator' ;) |
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| 09:33.50 | lxsameer | amphi : can u guide me about choosing a good and fast filesystem . i use xfs now |
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| 09:33.56 | amphi | lxsameer: http://zork.net/~nick/mail/why-reiserfs-is-teh-sukc |
| 09:34.23 | amphi | lxsameer: what's wrong with ext3? |
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| 09:34.36 | amphi | or xfs, for that matter? |
| 09:34.43 | Ace2016_- | lxsameer: stick with xfs |
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| 09:35.07 | lxsameer | amphi : ext3 is very slow on large number of files |
| 09:36.22 | Ace2016_- | or jfs |
| 09:37.06 | lxsameer | Ace2016_- : which one is better ? i think that xfs is better |
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| 09:37.18 | amphi | !better |
| 09:37.18 | dpkg | hmm... better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 09:38.31 | aum | hi - how do i configure monitor resolutions and refresh rates in Xorg server? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg only lets me set up keyboard, then quits |
| 09:38.38 | Ace2016_- | that i'm not entirely sure about, xfs is what i've always used, but i did read a lot on how amazing jfs is, just haven't reinstalled the system in a long time so no opportunity to switch to another fs |
| 09:38.57 | aum | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg used to let me set up video settings |
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| 09:39.37 | Ace2016_- | its not like that anymore |
| 09:39.54 | Ace2016_- | they thought that almighty xorg could autoconfigure everything so they got rid of it |
| 09:40.00 | aum | bad mistake |
| 09:40.07 | Ace2016_- | massive |
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| 09:40.37 | aum | my new monitor is capable of 1680x1050 res, but nvidia-settings only allows up to 1440x900 |
| 09:40.57 | lxsameer | amphi : i need a filesystem that be fast and i can resize that partition later |
| 09:41.00 | Ace2016_- | is your graphics card capable of that resolution? |
| 09:41.04 | flower | to get my nvidia card and screen configured right I used to do always dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... but since some months this aint work anymore... how come?? |
| 09:41.17 | flower | And how can I do it now? |
| 09:41.37 | Ace2016_- | tried writing the xorg.conf manually? i usually save configs like that |
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| 09:42.40 | aum | Ace2016_-: the xorg.config syntax mutilates my brain |
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| 09:44.03 | wols_ | aum: pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
| 09:44.15 | wols_ | flower: read |
| 09:45.01 | aum | wols_: http://pastebin.com/d5c155ad7 |
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| 09:46.00 | flower | wols: http://pastebin.com/m252fb1d2 ;) |
| 09:46.30 | flower | wols_: : http://pastebin.com/m252fb1d2 ;) |
| 09:46.34 | wols_ | flower: did I ask you for anything? |
| 09:47.43 | flower | Can anybody help me with my xorg.conf? I've a nvidia card: http://pastebin.com/m252fb1d2 |
| 09:47.47 | wols_ | aum: use get-edid from read-edid if you are on i386 |
| 09:48.00 | flower | the link is my xorg.conf now |
| 09:48.02 | aum | wols_: i don't understand that |
| 09:48.15 | wols_ | aum: there is a package read-edid, install it |
| 09:48.25 | wols_ | flower: state an actual problem |
| 09:48.28 | aum | (installing) |
| 09:49.00 | flower | wols_ the actual problem is that my nvidia card is not working or better the driver nvidia |
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| 09:49.14 | wols_ | !tell flower about doesn't work |
| 09:49.18 | aum | wols_: get-edid output is at http://pastebin.com/d594b4830 |
| 09:49.55 | wols_ | aum: crt or lcd? |
| 09:50.04 | aum | wols_: 22" lcd |
| 09:50.24 | wols_ | what make/model? |
| 09:50.37 | wols_ | kinda strange that it can't do ddc |
| 09:51.10 | aum | some chinese POS branded as 'Chimei', model CMV 228A/D, VGA-only connection (no hdmi or dv etc) |
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| 09:52.37 | aum | i only bought it cos it's the only brand available at the late-night Warehouse shop (NZ Wal-mart equivalent), and i have a college assignment due tonite - the old monitor died just as i opened my assignment in OOo |
| 09:53.09 | wols_ | http://paste.debian.net/17650/ as an example xorg.conf |
| 09:53.21 | MTecknology | How many CD's do I need to get for PowerPC |
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| 09:53.32 | MTecknology | I've never figured out how the CD's are done |
| 09:53.35 | wols_ | the important part is the Section "screen" and there the resolution which is set |
| 09:53.45 | wols_ | MTecknology: you alway only need one cd. not more |
| 09:53.51 | MTecknology | ok |
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| 09:54.03 | wols_ | MTecknology: only the first cd that is |
| 09:54.12 | MTecknology | all the extra CD's are for not dloading packages over the net? |
| 09:54.33 | wols_ | yes.they are all optional |
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| 09:54.43 | MTecknology | ty |
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| 09:55.13 | aum | wols_: thx for that, and for your help, i'll tinker away and see how i get on |
| 09:55.53 | MTecknology | !awal > Laurens |
| 09:55.57 | MTecknology | !away > Laurens |
| 09:55.57 | dpkg | > Laurens: No one cares if you are away. NO ONE! Read http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 09:56.06 | mrglinux | in my server when I run ps I can see 14882 ? 00:00:00 sshd but when nmap my ip port 22 doesn't show and also I can not connect to my server via ssh |
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| 09:56.19 | wols_ | mrglinux: don |
| 09:56.27 | wols_ | mrglinux: don't use nmap, use netstat |
| 09:57.11 | mrglinux | debian:/home/mrg# netstat | grep ssh |
| 09:57.12 | mrglinux | tcp6 0 144 mrg-host.net:ssh ::ffff:89.165.113:41845 ESTABLISHED |
| 09:57.38 | aum | wols_: one more question - when i terminate x server and switch to console, it doesn't display on this monitor - is there any mode-setting command i can use to make the console visible? |
| 09:57.52 | mrglinux | I installed fail2ban before |
| 09:57.59 | wols_ | mrglinux: we look for a LISTEN port, not a connected one. dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 09:58.19 | wols_ | aum: tried ctrl+alt+f1? |
| 09:58.28 | aum | wols_: that was the first thing i tried |
| 09:58.34 | wols_ | there is nothing needed to make it "visible" normally. not on a nvidia card |
| 09:58.39 | KnuckOne | aum, what is your X driver ? |
| 09:58.40 | mrglinux | wols_: so what shall I do? |
| 09:58.48 | wols_ | mrglinux: run the command I told you about |
| 09:58.59 | wols_ | mrglinux: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 09:59.01 | aum | KnuckOne: nvidia proprietary, version 173.14.12 |
| 09:59.14 | wols_ | aum: are you running sid? |
| 09:59.15 | mrglinux | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 09:59.22 | aum | wols_: yes, sid |
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| 09:59.25 | mrglinux | wols_: ^^ |
| 09:59.32 | wols_ | mrglinux: netwtat -anp |grep LIST (as root) |
| 09:59.38 | KnuckOne | oh ok, it would be some silicon motion stuff.. but nvidia i dunno ;) |
| 09:59.43 | wols_ | mrglinux: netstat -anp |grep LIST (as root) |
| 10:00.10 | aum | wols_: the non-X console showed up fine on my old monitor before it died, so for some weird reason the new monitor won't render a plain VGA console |
| 10:00.40 | mrglinux | http://phpfi.com/355408 wols_ |
| 10:00.46 | wols_ | aum: dunno, cause it makes no sense |
| 10:01.20 | wols_ | mrglinux: no sshd is listening. check your syslog and your sshd.conf |
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| 10:01.45 | mrglinux | wols_:I can see sshd see line 15 |
| 10:01.49 | mrglinux | what's that? |
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| 10:01.58 | aum | quits to restart X and try new settings - thx wols_ |
| 10:02.37 | wols_ | mrglinux: you listen on port 2. why? sshd is port 22 |
| 10:02.41 | wols_ | check your sshd.conf |
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| 10:04.08 | saintiss | hi all |
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| 10:05.05 | saintiss | if I install nvidia drivers (legacy 71xx) through the nvidia script (ie no debian package), everything works until I reboot. then something goes wrong initializing GLX, and I have to run the nvidia script again before things will work |
| 10:05.16 | saintiss | what could be "wrongly reset" at reboot? |
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| 10:07.30 | NeoIce | is there a way to call cron.daily to test it? |
| 10:07.48 | mral3x | does anyone know what's the cause of this kdm_greet[2947]: Cannot open default user face ? |
| 10:08.20 | wols_ | saintiss: we do not support nvidia installers from nvidia.com. ask #nvidia |
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| 10:08.29 | mral3x | i use kde 4.1 |
| 10:08.36 | saintiss | wols_: ok... are there plans to upgrade the debian packages to the latest version then? |
| 10:08.44 | saintiss | the 71xx don't compile anymore with 2.6.26 kernels |
| 10:09.31 | mrglinux | wols_: I change it to 2222 to disable bruteforce and port 2222 listen but I can connect to it wirh ssh mydomain:2222 I get ssh: mydomain:2222: Name or service not known |
| 10:10.10 | wols_ | saintiss: define latest package? 71.xx is awfully old |
| 10:10.21 | hoxu | mrglinux, man ssh, -o port=2222 |
| 10:10.34 | saintiss | wols_: 71.86.06 |
| 10:10.39 | saintiss | wols_: debian's got 71.86.04 |
| 10:10.58 | wols_ | saintiss: there is no debian 2.6.26 kernel and the nvidia driver version you describe |
| 10:11.16 | mrglinux | thanks |
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| 10:11.28 | saintiss | wols_: sure there is... let me look up the exact package names for you |
| 10:11.47 | wols_ | saintiss: there is not. lenny and sid have no 71.xx and etch has no 2.6.25. the end |
| 10:12.15 | saintiss | wols_: I'm on testing |
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| 10:12.57 | saintiss | wols_: perhaps those packages came from sid then |
| 10:12.59 | wols_ | saintiss: testing has not a single "nvidia" driver |
| 10:13.29 | saintiss | wols_: apparently not... package I used before was from sid then |
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| 10:14.02 | wols_ | !tell saintiss about nvidia-lenny |
| 10:14.20 | saintiss | Package nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source |
| 10:14.20 | saintiss | sid (unstable) (x11): NVIDIA binary kernel module source (71xx legacy version) [non-free] |
| 10:14.21 | saintiss | 71.86.04-2: amd64 i386 |
| 10:14.25 | saintiss | that's the one |
| 10:14.38 | saintiss | it's not the latest one, since the latest one would be 71.86.06 |
| 10:14.50 | wols_ | why do you need "the latest"? |
| 10:15.03 | saintiss | wols_: because the one in sid does not compile against a 2.6.26 kernel |
| 10:15.13 | saintiss | (compile as in using m-a) |
| 10:15.24 | wols_ | well, it's sid! |
| 10:15.31 | wols_ | you want to use 96.xx anyways |
| 10:15.37 | saintiss | wols_: not with my card |
| 10:15.40 | saintiss | only works with 71xx |
| 10:15.53 | wols_ | what card? |
| 10:16.09 | saintiss | GeForce2 MX/MX 400 |
| 10:16.16 | saintiss | it's old :) |
| 10:16.58 | wols_ | it works fine with 96.xx |
| 10:17.22 | saintiss | ok fine I'll give it a try, you never know I guess |
| 10:17.33 | wols_ | read nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx |
| 10:17.37 | wols_ | package description |
| 10:18.08 | brumair | Hi *, is there any problem with motherboard "Sapphire mATX 780G" and "Ati HD 3450 HM" (on slot PCI-E 2.0) |
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| 10:18.42 | cryingtux | hello |
| 10:18.47 | saintiss | wols_: ok, trying it out, thanks |
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| 10:19.25 | cryingtux | im looking for etch stable apt sources.lst , can somebody give me any link for that? |
| 10:19.37 | wols_ | !tell cryingtux about sources.list |
| 10:20.28 | wols_ | !tell brumair about errors |
| 10:20.38 | Df_Yz[ssh] | !tell Df_Yz[ssh] about sources.list |
| 10:20.45 | Df_Yz[ssh] | РабоÑаеÑ. |
| 10:20.50 | Df_Yz[ssh] | It's working/ |
| 10:20.57 | Df_Yz[ssh] | * It's working. |
| 10:20.57 | cryingtux | can i enable packports and multimedia repos too? |
| 10:21.13 | wols_ | cryingtux: you can |
| 10:21.41 | wols_ | Df_Yz[ssh]: use /msg dpkg sources.list instead |
| 10:22.03 | cryingtux | wols_: how pls? |
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| 10:22.19 | Df_Yz[ssh] | wols_: I want check, is it works. |
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| 10:22.40 | cryingtux | i want to upgrade kde too, to the latest available |
| 10:22.40 | Df_Yz[ssh] | wols_: Thnx, I now about /msg dpkg. |
| 10:22.41 | wols_ | cryingtux: /msg dpkg backports /msg dpkg dmm |
| 10:23.04 | ghaleb__ | hello, how can I get rlm_eap_tls.so module to run freeradius server ? |
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| 10:29.12 | Jahithber | Hi whats the best way to copy one folder with CMS from shell account debian based to standart www server using ftp ??? wich commmand shall i use or wich ftp client ?? |
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| 10:31.01 | Jasper | hello guys, is it possible to control cpu fan speed from linux>? |
| 10:31.20 | nkuttler | Jasper: you'll probably need a database dump as well |
| 10:31.27 | nkuttler | Jahithber: ^^ |
| 10:31.31 | ComradeHaz | lol |
| 10:31.43 | Jahithber | no no i dont need |
| 10:31.57 | Jahithber | i need to copy unzipped folder with cms |
| 10:32.01 | Jasper | nks ? |
| 10:32.01 | ComradeHaz | hmm, so anyone know much about wine? |
| 10:32.05 | Jahithber | and i will install it on another server |
| 10:32.20 | Jahithber | but with MC commander it takes ages to copy it |
| 10:32.27 | nkuttler | Jahithber: try filezilla, or apt-cache search ftp client |
| 10:32.31 | ComradeHaz | I'm getting unhelpfull error message when trying to install soething I've been told runs under wine |
| 10:32.37 | Jahithber | filezilla runs in console? |
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| 10:33.56 | Jahithber | wow i found something interesting |
| 10:33.56 | Jahithber | ^^ |
| 10:33.57 | Jahithber | wput |
| 10:34.02 | ComradeHaz | well, if anyone does feel like chatting to me about wine, highlight ,e and I'll tell you what's going on :) |
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| 10:35.52 | nubbun | if one has anacron, does one not need vixie cron? are they in conflict if both installed? Any notable drawbacks to anacron? |
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| 10:37.01 | simonrvn | no, they don't conflict. |
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| 10:37.15 | simonrvn | if they did they wouldn't be co-installable... |
| 10:37.45 | simonrvn | anacron is for machines that aren't on 24/7 |
| 10:37.49 | simonrvn | man it |
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| 10:46.25 | dmnd | hi all |
| 10:46.28 | BubbleBob | Hi... i want to make a LiveCD using dfsbuild, i am following a howto on this page: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/125 but i get stuck since there is nothing in my /var/cache/apt/archives .... |
| 10:47.03 | nubbun | I have anacron. Will it also run the tasks from packages that vixie cron would run, so that I can uninstall vixie cron? |
| 10:47.49 | BubbleBob | and it want something like # Debs from local fs to unpack on live FS (will not be configured) |
| 10:47.50 | BubbleBob | unpackdebs = /var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7_2.6.8-13_i386.deb |
| 10:48.07 | wols_ | BubbleBob: 2.6.8 is sarge |
| 10:48.32 | BubbleBob | wols_ ok, but what about my uname -r |
| 10:48.48 | wols_ | what about it? |
| 10:48.51 | BubbleBob | 2.6.18.x |
| 10:49.04 | BubbleBob | there is also nothing on it in /var/.... |
| 10:49.27 | simonrvn | nubbun: it doesn't work that way |
| 10:49.37 | wols_ | BubbleBob: this is a 2005 article... |
| 10:49.47 | wols_ | !tell BubbleBob about livecd |
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| 10:52.26 | BubbleBob | wols_ yeah, ok, in the /etc/dfsbuild/dfs.cfg it wants for example: unpackdebs = /usr/src/linux-image-2.6.16.4_2.6.16.4-10.00.Custom_i386.deb |
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| 10:52.49 | BubbleBob | wols_ but that is also not in /usr/src or anything like it |
| 10:52.54 | wols_ | BubbleBob: this is all sarge based! sarge is not supported in any way shape or form anymore. this article is useless |
| 10:53.08 | wols_ | I gave you the link to the current debian live project |
| 10:53.38 | BubbleBob | wols_ ok, its sarged based but in etch ?? i don't understand |
| 10:53.41 | BubbleBob | ;D |
| 10:53.43 | BubbleBob | thanx |
| 10:53.53 | wols_ | no it's not in etch. has nothing to do with etch. forget this article |
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| 10:54.46 | BubbleBob | wols_ the last example i gave you was from my /etc/dfsbuild/dfs.cfg from on etch |
| 10:55.28 | wols_ | yes I know you talked a lot of crap. doesn't make it useful |
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| 10:56.48 | BubbleBob | wols_ wow, thanx for your all so positiv support... why don't you try out apt-cache search dfsbuild maybe install it to an look in to you /etc/...... |
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| 10:59.42 | BubbleBob | wols_ any results ? |
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| 11:00.00 | Jahithber | How can I transfer an entire folder via sftp or ftp in command line mode ??? |
| 11:00.10 | anders__ | use -r |
| 11:00.31 | Jahithber | with -r attribute? |
| 11:00.34 | Jahithber | ok i will try |
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| 11:06.52 | BubbleBob | wols_ can you please explain to me what was so crappy about my questions and examples |
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| 11:07.55 | Buck | hai |
| 11:07.55 | Ego86 | hi |
| 11:08.10 | Buck | how do I find out what app is listening on a particular port? |
| 11:08.34 | Ego86 | i have a problem with nerolinux on debian lenny |
| 11:08.48 | Ego86 | it can't write to an empty disc |
| 11:08.55 | cahoot | Buck: lsof -i can do |
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| 11:09.12 | Ego86 | gnomebaker or brasero is working fine, only nerolinux not |
| 11:09.22 | sint | hey, is there a way to get only 10 chars after a defined char with grep in the same line? |
| 11:09.40 | Ego86 | can anybody help me? |
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| 11:10.07 | Buck | sint: sed? |
| 11:10.16 | dan-ny | is lenny stable? |
| 11:10.25 | sint | Buck: sed? |
| 11:10.36 | Ego86 | dan-ny: no, not for now |
| 11:10.36 | sint | Buck: what you mean? |
| 11:10.43 | Ego86 | it's only testing |
| 11:10.48 | Buck | sint: if you pipe to sed, you can cut out anything after the first 10 chars |
| 11:10.52 | dan-ny | ah okay thx |
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| 11:11.08 | Buck | sint: sed lets you apply regexps to stdin |
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| 11:11.56 | nubbun | Jahithber: you could use scp |
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| 11:12.04 | nubbun | Jahithber: of ssh |
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| 11:12.49 | Buck | thanks cahoot |
| 11:12.57 | sint | Buck: if the line contains 100 chars and my searched one is one is on 20 and i want 20 - 30 then, how to enter this with sed? |
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| 11:13.32 | Buck | sint: do you know how regular expressions work? |
| 11:14.02 | sint | Buck: ya, but i am not an expert in regex |
| 11:14.57 | sint | Buck: usually i try to find an existing expression somewhere cause i am not good in building them myself :( |
| 11:15.12 | Buck | sint: maybe this will help: http://main.rtfiber.com.tw/~changyj/sed/ I haven't had my first coffee yet so I'm not going to attempt :P |
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| 11:28.05 | chomwitt | using user and groups utility in etch i removed a user but the home dir of him remains!. is it a bug? |
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| 11:31.59 | Buck | chomwitt: no |
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| 11:32.49 | chomwitt | Buck: is there is a way to complete remove a user ? |
| 11:32.52 | zer0h | how was it that one would change the default vhost file in apache? |
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| 11:33.07 | Buck | you did completely remove the user chomwitt |
| 11:33.09 | abrotman | zer0h: change the apache config files |
| 11:33.24 | abrotman | zer0h: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 11:34.17 | zer0h | abrotman: well, i should be able to change the default vhost file, i dont know how to explain it, there is a script that does it i have used it before. it specifies which vhost file should be run first (or last i dont know how it works) |
| 11:34.35 | zer0h | so that when i hit a url non specific url i go to a "default" webpage |
| 11:34.36 | abrotman | a2ensite ? |
| 11:34.41 | zer0h | if that makes sense |
| 11:34.51 | abrotman | no .. doesn't make sense ;) |
| 11:34.57 | zer0h | :( |
| 11:34.59 | zer0h | heh |
| 11:35.00 | zer0h | ok |
| 11:35.04 | abrotman | you want to change your 404 page ? |
| 11:35.14 | zer0h | no that is to enable a vhost file |
| 11:35.21 | zer0h | close but no banana |
| 11:35.26 | zer0h | no |
| 11:35.29 | zer0h | not my 404 |
| 11:35.41 | abrotman | you want a wildcard redirectmatch ? |
| 11:36.04 | zer0h | well ok like this |
| 11:37.02 | zer0h | i have multiple websites, foo.com foo1.com foo2.com, now my problem is that when i hit a url that is www.foo2.com i go to foo.com |
| 11:37.05 | zer0h | not foo2.com |
| 11:37.18 | abrotman | so you need name based virtual hosts |
| 11:37.27 | zer0h | i am runing namebased |
| 11:37.36 | abrotman | apparently incorrectly |
| 11:37.42 | zer0h | :) |
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| 11:37.46 | zer0h | yes |
| 11:38.20 | zer0h | but it worked fine before i am trying to figure out why its not now :( i think there is a "default" vhost file that gets chosen when there lacks a redirect |
| 11:38.32 | abrotman | or you configured it wrong :) |
| 11:38.40 | zer0h | define wron |
| 11:38.41 | zer0h | wrong |
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| 11:38.51 | abrotman | there are tons of docs at httpd.apache.org .. |
| 11:38.55 | zer0h | i am sure i did it wrong, but again i am trying to find out how |
| 11:38.59 | zer0h | yes i know there is :) |
| 11:38.59 | abrotman | does apache complain when you start it ? |
| 11:39.03 | zer0h | no |
| 11:39.10 | zer0h | nothing at all |
| 11:39.14 | zer0h | it works fine for everything else |
| 11:39.27 | zer0h | there are like 10 sites that work smooth |
| 11:39.31 | abrotman | if it were mine .. i'd make a separate vhost in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ one per file ... |
| 11:39.44 | zer0h | yes thats how i made it |
| 11:39.45 | abrotman | did you configure foo2.com yet? |
| 11:39.49 | zer0h | yes |
| 11:39.59 | abrotman | check apache logs? |
| 11:40.05 | zer0h | i have a vhost file for every namebased domain |
| 11:40.12 | abrotman | there is a #apache .. sounds like more of something they'd be helping you with |
| 11:40.14 | zer0h | i have, but i dont know what i am looking for :) |
| 11:40.26 | zer0h | yeah but they say this is debian specific |
| 11:40.31 | abrotman | oh bull |
| 11:40.32 | zer0h | because its vhost |
| 11:40.51 | abrotman | what? so standard apache doesn't support vhosts? |
| 11:40.55 | zer0h | atleast the guy i was talking to |
| 11:41.11 | zer0h | no i mean with the seperate files, sorry if i am explaining badly |
| 11:41.38 | zer0h | anyway, thank you for your time, i will continue troubleshooting |
| 11:41.43 | zer0h | i appriciate your effort |
| 11:41.53 | abrotman | zer0h: you can pastebin some of the files if you're okay with that |
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| 11:42.09 | zer0h | what files, vhost files? |
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| 11:43.18 | abrotman | at least the one it doesn't work to .. and the one it goes to instead |
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| 11:43.55 | EnZ^2- | hello, i have a Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications AB W810i Ph and i want to retrieve some pictures. what should i use? |
| 11:44.10 | zer0h | EnZ^2-: try opensync |
| 11:44.16 | zer0h | oh pictures |
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| 11:44.39 | sint | Buck: thanks for the link but i found a way to do it with grep itself :) |
| 11:44.39 | zer0h | sorry try kbluetooth, |
| 11:44.40 | abrotman | does gammu do that? |
| 11:44.43 | Buck | gj sint :) |
| 11:44.58 | EnZ^2- | zer0h: i dont have a dongle? |
| 11:45.00 | zer0h | ive not tried gammu, i think its only deals with contacts and numbers sms etc |
| 11:45.03 | EnZ^2- | usb |
| 11:45.09 | zer0h | a bluetooth dongle? |
| 11:45.13 | EnZ^2- | no |
| 11:45.15 | zer0h | ah |
| 11:45.20 | EnZ^2- | corded usb |
| 11:45.29 | zer0h | oh sweet, just plug it in |
| 11:45.33 | zer0h | atleast on my nokia that works |
| 11:45.37 | zer0h | it pops up as a device |
| 11:45.38 | EnZ^2- | i did |
| 11:45.43 | zer0h | run dmesg |
| 11:45.51 | zer0h | what does it say |
| 11:46.21 | zer0h | i would google your phone, there are forsure many users with the same issue |
| 11:46.36 | zer0h | prolly many howtos and such |
| 11:47.11 | EnZ^2- | zer0h: http://pastebin.com/m233c4508 |
| 11:47.13 | zer0h | sweet phone |
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| 11:47.55 | zer0h | perhaps you have to choose on your phone the type of connection |
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| 11:48.10 | EnZ^2- | ok |
| 11:48.22 | zer0h | my nokia tries to connect to that nokia specific app normally, so i have to change the setting to "usb storage" or something like that |
| 11:48.33 | EnZ^2- | ok |
| 11:48.52 | EnZ^2- | yeah it worked, thanx |
| 11:48.53 | Orbixx | A lot of phones have started doing that now. |
| 11:48.57 | zer0h | :) |
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| 11:49.06 | zer0h | EnZ^2-: sweet |
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| 11:58.11 | zer0h | abrotman: its working fine when i remove foo3.com |
| 11:58.34 | zer0h | i mean www.foo2.com goes to > foo2.com but only if there is no foo3.com |
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| 11:58.48 | zer0h | im sure this is because foo3.com became default |
| 11:59.03 | zer0h | im gonna go badger #apache ppl instead |
| 11:59.06 | zer0h | thanks |
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| 12:00.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i am having a problem with the adobe flash plugin installation |
| 12:00.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i installed it properly to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
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| 12:01.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | but the libflashplayer.xpt file seems to b missing frm their installer |
| 12:01.17 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | any clue? |
| 12:01.31 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | about:plugins has no flash plugin listed |
| 12:01.35 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :( |
| 12:02.26 | abrotman | zer0h: do you have separate logging per vhost? |
| 12:02.33 | zer0h | yes |
| 12:02.57 | zer0h | when hit foo2.com it registers in the foo3.com accesslog |
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| 12:04.34 | abrotman | well .. without conf files or log files .. i can't be much help |
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| 12:23.12 | cato | debian is awesome, the simpleness of ubuntu without the hassle of too simple |
| 12:23.14 | cato | heh |
| 12:24.23 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | debian didnt come from ubuntu |
| 12:24.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | its the opposite |
| 12:24.34 | cato | just comparing |
| 12:24.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | you cant compare dad and kid |
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| 12:25.01 | norbert_ | of course he can |
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| 12:25.12 | norbert_ | and he's just being nice about debian, so what's your problem? |
| 12:25.15 | cato | apt-get install something isnt that differnt |
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| 12:26.11 | addis0n | <3 debian freebsd and openbsd |
| 12:26.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | <3 debian , fedora, freebsd |
| 12:26.41 | cato | openbsd package manager was ultra hassle, if power goes out |
| 12:27.08 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | openbsd is secured, but yes not the easy for a starter |
| 12:27.16 | cato | package isnt fully downloaded, but had some files installed. |
| 12:27.29 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
| 12:27.29 | cato | cant install over since the files conflict |
| 12:27.39 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | how about pc-bsd :P |
| 12:27.45 | cato | cant remove since its technically not there, according to whatever keeps track of packages |
| 12:28.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | heard pc-bsd uses its own package management , some pbi files |
| 12:28.02 | addis0n | sh4d3sl4y3r_, would that be a desktop friendly version of bsd? |
| 12:28.08 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes addison |
| 12:28.08 | hanibana | I want to create a minimal debian mirror (becasue I don't need the packages of graphical applications, like KDE, Gnome, and others...). Is there any procedure...? |
| 12:28.16 | cato | freebsd is quite desktop friendly |
| 12:28.38 | cato | well for me heh |
| 12:28.42 | addis0n | lol |
| 12:28.52 | cato | I liked netbsd |
| 12:29.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i use freebsd, just one proble, couldnt enable multicore support yet :p |
| 12:29.00 | cato | I kept that install around for awhile |
| 12:29.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | *problem |
| 12:29.14 | addis0n | i guess debian for server/desktop freebsd for server and openbsd for server/router/fw |
| 12:29.21 | cato | ya I only install a bunch of distros on my really old pc |
| 12:29.50 | addis0n | guess i should try out netbsd |
| 12:30.15 | Catoptromancy | its ok, but I hear openbsd is moer maintained lately |
| 12:30.28 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | brb frnds |
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| 12:31.09 | abrotman | !ot |
| 12:31.09 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 12:31.34 | abrotman | hanibana: for how many machines? |
| 12:31.47 | abrotman | hanibana: you might be better suited by an apt proxy |
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| 12:32.16 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | back |
| 12:32.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman |
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| 12:32.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i had a question above |
| 12:32.34 | hanibana | abrotman > one mirror for about 7-8 servers... |
| 12:32.34 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :( installing the flash plugin is becoming a pain |
| 12:32.35 | abrotman | oddly .. i lost it in all your offtopic chatter |
| 12:32.49 | abrotman | becoming? |
| 12:33.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ya man, i did everything properly, copied the libflashplugin.so to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 12:33.22 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | still its not listed in about:plugins |
| 12:33.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | youtube not working |
| 12:33.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :( |
| 12:33.28 | abrotman | did you check /etc/alternatives/ ? |
| 12:33.32 | hanibana | abrotman>what does do this apt proxy ? |
| 12:33.33 | abrotman | !tell sh4d3sl4y3r_ about enter |
| 12:33.41 | abrotman | !tell hanibana about apt-proxy |
| 12:33.54 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol @ enter , fine i wil correct |
| 12:33.56 | abrotman | hanibana: or you can look at `apt-mirror` |
| 12:34.18 | abrotman | hanibana: it lets you mirror parts of the archive .. but I can't recall how it lets you limit that (by section? arch? version?) |
| 12:34.19 | norbert_ | what would you do without !tell huh abrotman ;) |
| 12:34.29 | abrotman | norbert_: answer them the same way? |
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| 12:35.20 | norbert_ | abrotman, that was rhetorical question with a wink ;) |
| 12:35.33 | abrotman | is that one rhetorical too? |
| 12:35.48 | norbert_ | no, it's not even a question, as far as I can tell |
| 12:36.31 | hanibana | abrotman: thanks... I will take a look in them... |
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| 12:53.53 | rocketmagnet | hello, is there a way to show license information for a package wit apt-get ? |
| 12:54.12 | Ace2016_- | i thought its all gpl |
| 12:54.24 | Ace2016_- | yea there is a way |
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| 12:55.01 | abrotman | it's not all GPL |
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| 12:55.41 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: i dont' think there is .. but i believe every package has a /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/copyright |
| 12:55.44 | rocketmagnet | just to know to be able to use it for commercial uses or if i have to open the sources |
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| 12:57.12 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: if it's in 'main' shouldn't be a problem i guess |
| 12:57.20 | abrotman | wait .. i guess mysql could be an issue .. |
| 12:57.32 | abrotman | but that's easily solved by using postgresql! |
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| 13:01.55 | ddalton | hey, does anyone know how I can give a track a rating in rythmbox? |
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| 13:03.18 | abrotman | right click .. properties .. details ? |
| 13:04.43 | ddalton | rly? ok |
| 13:04.43 | abrotman | ddalton: go into the preferences for the app .. and choose to add the Rating column .. that makes it easier |
| 13:04.45 | ddalton | ill try |
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| 13:08.15 | ddalton | ok, thanks... |
| 13:09.02 | eth01 | http://vmctls/upgradecust/wao/adm/bagu/hrrist |
| 13:09.05 | eth01 | er ignore |
| 13:09.54 | ddalton | how do u actually put da rating value in the collumn though? |
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| 13:14.58 | lxsameer | hi , i have installed gcc4.3 source package from lenny repo but it is a lzma file , what kind of archive is that? |
| 13:15.25 | Eulex | it is an lzma archive |
| 13:16.04 | lxsameer | Eulex : how can i extract that |
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| 13:16.40 | Eulex | that said, source packages consist of a .orig.tar.gz, .dsc and .diff.gz, so I wonder where you got that file from |
| 13:16.55 | burd | anyone know a way i can prevent the www-data user from executing python? |
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| 13:17.47 | Eulex | and that said, the utility to deal with lzma archives is named lzma. |
| 13:18.06 | lxsameer | Eulex : i get that from lenny repository . |
| 13:18.17 | sandman | Passphrase versus Random Key @ Debian-installer: Encryption Physical Volume menu? |
| 13:18.31 | Eulex | lxsameer, how exactly did you obtain it? |
| 13:19.15 | lxsameer | Eulex : i got it . |
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| 13:19.39 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm, abrotman, solved the flash problem, just had to make a copy of /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so to /home/user/.mozilla/plugins too |
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| 13:23.32 | lxsameer | how can i use dpatch file to patch the source tree |
| 13:25.21 | Eulex | lxsameer, y'know, you don't have to do that yourself, there are much easier ways |
| 13:25.27 | Eulex | !tell lxsameer about simple sid backport |
| 13:26.09 | lxsameer | Eulex: i know that but i need them for a LFS system |
| 13:26.57 | Eulex | well, then you're on your own. we do debian support in here. |
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| 13:27.38 | lxsameer | Eulex : ooow man i just ask about dpatch |
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| 13:28.08 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: that's not much of a solution |
| 13:28.21 | sandman | Is LVM created upon an Encrypted Volumes, or are Encrypted Volumes created upon LVM Logical Partitions? |
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| 13:28.44 | sandman | Is LVM created upon an Encrypted Volume, or are Encrypted Volumes created upon LVM Logical Partitions? I mean. |
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| 13:28.59 | Eulex | lxsameer, you might want to take a look at the debian/rules script, though. |
| 13:29.14 | lxsameer | Eulex : ok |
| 13:29.24 | lxsameer | Eulex : thanks |
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| 13:32.08 | compiler91 | hi! i have some question.. how l can know kernel version with out boot from it? thanks. |
| 13:32.34 | pistache | compiler91 : uname -a |
| 13:32.45 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | he said without booting |
| 13:32.50 | pistache | Ha |
| 13:32.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i guess through grub |
| 13:32.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
| 13:32.59 | pistache | I thought without rebooting |
| 13:33.04 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
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| 13:33.25 | compiler91 | it doesnt any words about it in grub. |
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| 13:33.39 | radi | i get this error: Requested 'liblo >= 0.25' but version of liblo is 0.23 |
| 13:33.48 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | well you can check the vmlinuz version |
| 13:33.53 | radi | if i want to get a newer version of liblo how would i do that in debian? |
| 13:33.59 | radi | i am already running sid |
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| 13:34.04 | mmlj4 | liblo? |
| 13:34.09 | pistache | compiler91 : what is your menu.list |
| 13:34.10 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | what is liblo now |
| 13:34.12 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i know lilo |
| 13:34.25 | radi | i understand that i have to compile it myself but what is the debian way of doing it |
| 13:34.25 | compiler91 | sh4d3sl4y3r_, sorry, but how? |
| 13:34.27 | pistache | comiler: compiler91 : what is your menu.lst i meant |
| 13:34.37 | Eulex | compiler91, what distro are you running? |
| 13:34.47 | radi | its a osc lib |
| 13:34.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | compiler by typing e when grub starts and check the kernel file location |
| 13:34.58 | compiler91 | im running from xubuntu. |
| 13:35.01 | Eulex | !wayc radi |
| 13:35.01 | dpkg | radi: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
| 13:35.07 | Eulex | compiler91, #ubuntu, please |
| 13:35.31 | pistache | Hey all |
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| 13:35.32 | pistache | If I stay with Pidgin on for a long time, when I come back, Pidgin is not displaying any more images (like Smileys or even menu icons), I cannot connect to any new account (IRC or MSN) |
| 13:35.39 | pistache | How can I solve this problem ? |
| 13:35.42 | compiler91 | pistache, anything about debian. i install debian with out grub/lilo.. |
| 13:36.53 | pistache | compiler91 : you can try to check the kernel- |
| 13:37.00 | Eulex | pistache, running pidgin 2.4.3? |
| 13:37.00 | compiler91 | Eulex, they say that i need in #debian...<<this is not #debian it is #ubuntu they don't answer ours, we don't answer theirs :-)>> |
| 13:37.09 | pistache | The kernel-headers in /usr/src |
| 13:37.17 | pistache | Eulex > Yes I am |
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| 13:37.51 | Eulex | compiler91, you've got both debian and ubuntu installed? |
| 13:38.16 | compiler91 | Eulex, yes, and fedora and winXP) |
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| 13:38.35 | Eulex | compiler91, follow sh4d3sl4y3r_'s advice. |
| 13:38.36 | nubbun | Does this indicate improper configuration?: |
| 13:38.36 | nubbun | # hostname -fhostname: Unknown host |
| 13:39.00 | mirak | hi |
| 13:39.02 | pistache | sh4d3sl4y3r > He can also check the menu.lst |
| 13:39.06 | abrotman | what does regular 'hostname' return |
| 13:39.10 | mirak | does anyone here have an iphone 3G ? |
| 13:39.11 | abrotman | he should also go to #xubuntu |
| 13:39.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | pistache if u noticed |
| 13:39.24 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | he said without booting up |
| 13:39.26 | nubbun | I've seen as many MSWindows questions in #debian as Ubuntu questions, very sadly. |
| 13:39.27 | abrotman | he should also go to #xubuntu |
| 13:39.28 | Eulex | compiler91, alternatively, you can mount the debian partition, and then check what kernel is installed. |
| 13:39.34 | abrotman | he should also go to #xubuntu |
| 13:39.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | you cant check the menu.lst without booting your system |
| 13:39.41 | mirak | do you manage to simply get the pictures out of the iphone ? |
| 13:39.42 | Zaerath | When I try to install new program, I receive this error. |
| 13:39.46 | Zaerath | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.52 | pistache | Yes but he can do that from another OS in this computer |
| 13:40.04 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes that is possible |
| 13:40.07 | abrotman | Zaerath: it doesn't offer a workaround ? |
| 13:40.25 | nubbun | abrotman: it returns my short hostname. |
| 13:40.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i suggested a way without booting any OS, or else there are many possible ways |
| 13:40.28 | Zaerath | abrotman: Not that I can see. |
| 13:40.29 | pistache | Is'nt he already using this computer ? If yes he can check the menu.lst, if not I can go to hell :-D |
| 13:40.42 | Zaerath | Setting up initramfs-tools (0.85i) ... /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-686 has been altered. Cannot update. |
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| 13:41.58 | pistache | Reinstall your linux-image Zaerath |
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| 13:42.28 | Zaerath | It does appear that my boot partition is out of space, as well. Is there any way to increase it without wiping it? |
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| 13:42.50 | pistache | Hey all |
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| 13:43.02 | abrotman | Zaerath: how many kernels do you have instlaled? |
| 13:43.07 | pistache | If I stay with Pidgin on for a long time, when I come back, Pidgin is not displaying any more images (like Smileys or even menu icons), I cannot connect to any new account (IRC or MSN) |
| 13:43.15 | Zaerath | abrotman: Only one that I know of. |
| 13:43.18 | pistache | Is there any solution ? |
| 13:43.20 | abrotman | pistache: did you ask #pidgin ? |
| 13:43.21 | Zaerath | pistache: Latest version of Pidgin? |
| 13:43.33 | Zaerath | pistache: Older versions than 2.4.0 have MSN issues. |
| 13:43.34 | pistache | abrotman > No any answers, but many other questions |
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| 13:43.51 | paxcoder | hey. I have a question. |
| 13:43.54 | compiler91 | ok... in debian /usr/src isnt any files :( I can reboot.. |
| 13:43.58 | paxcoder | I use two browsers, right? |
| 13:44.03 | pistache | Zaerath > It is doing that for everything including IRC and MSN |
| 13:44.19 | paxcoder | Is it possible to open link in a browser that you currently use instead a predefined one? |
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| 13:44.23 | pistache | Zaerath > I don't have the latest but it is the latest in the repositories |
| 13:44.33 | abrotman | paxcoder: depends on the app you're opening from |
| 13:44.34 | pistache | And I'm using Lenny |
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| 13:44.48 | Zaerath | pistache: Is it before version 2.4.0? |
| 13:44.53 | abrotman | pistache: i use pidgin .. leave it on for hours .. never had that happen |
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| 13:45.07 | abrotman | judd: info pidgin lenny |
| 13:45.07 | judd | abrotman: (info ) -- Output brief info about a package. Usage: "info packagename [--arch i386] [--release etch]" |
| 13:45.13 | pistache | Zaerath > Version 2.4.3 |
| 13:45.13 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 13:45.16 | abrotman | judd: info pidgin --release lenny |
| 13:45.17 | judd | abrotman: pidgin (net): is optional; Version: 2.4.3-2; Size: 678642 ; Installed: 1752 -- graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X |
| 13:45.19 | paxcoder | abrotman: Well, most of them go through prefered applications, so is there anything I could do there? |
| 13:45.27 | nubbun | paxcoder: not unless you are opening the link from within the browser. |
| 13:45.30 | Zaerath | pistache: Perhaps post about it on bugzilla? I haven't heard anything of that happening. |
| 13:45.35 | abrotman | paxcoder: not really ... |
| 13:45.36 | asg | paxcoder: I've configured 'CTRL+i' to open the current link in the clipboard in one and 'CTRL+SHIFT+i' to open it in the other. Of course, this is dependant on my fluxbox setup and using iceweasel. |
| 13:45.59 | pistache | Zaerath : okay I'll do. But I'm not sure it is Pidgin related, may be my system ^^. |
| 13:45.59 | abrotman | other than asg hackery! |
| 13:46.01 | Zaerath | Whoever told me to install my linux-image over again, 686 would be acceptable for a P4 right? |
| 13:46.06 | abrotman | pistache: try it with another user |
| 13:46.09 | pistache | Zaerath : sure |
| 13:46.10 | abrotman | Zaerath: yes |
| 13:46.17 | Zaerath | pistache: Well, obviously try the reinstall, but otherwise I'd say try and post it to Bugzilla. |
| 13:46.20 | Zaerath | abrotman: Thanks! |
| 13:46.26 | pistache | Zaerath : I did |
| 13:46.30 | asg | abrotman: hackery is the whole point! |
| 13:46.30 | pistache | I'll post on Bugzilla |
| 13:46.31 | paxcoder | abortman: Well, there are allways scripts ;-) |
| 13:46.48 | pistache | But do you think compiling the 2.5.1 could solve the problem ? |
| 13:46.53 | paxcoder | asg: cool stuff, but I doubt I need it. |
| 13:47.09 | abrotman | pistache: try it with another user first |
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| 13:47.16 | paxcoder | abortman: so... how do you know (from the shell, or rather - shell script) if some program is running? |
| 13:47.17 | asg | paxcoder: whatever floats your boat |
| 13:47.25 | abrotman | paxcoder: pgrep ? |
| 13:47.49 | paxcoder | abortman: yep, thx very much |
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| 13:49.11 | DynamicPink | I have a problem starting gnome. After logging in through GDM; the Desktop flashes briefly and then dumps back to GDM. There was a message about bonobo-activation, but I have re-installed Nautilus and libbonobo, but have the same problem. |
| 13:51.09 | Eulex | DynamicPink, try taking a look at ~/.xsession-errors |
| 13:51.28 | paxcoder | dpkg's record on pax is a stub, and has an incorrect link: |
| 13:51.30 | paxcoder | !pax |
| 13:51.30 | dpkg | [pax] http://pageexec.virtualave.net/ Portable Archive Interchange (apt-get install pax) |
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| 13:52.28 | Eulex | so fix it? :) |
| 13:52.41 | paxcoder | Eulex: I would actually, if I knew how |
| 13:52.53 | paxcoder | Do you know? |
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| 13:53.22 | Eulex | paxcoder, "dpkg: no, pax is blah blah blah blah..." or from /msg "no, pax is blah blah blah blah..." |
| 13:54.14 | paxcoder | really? kewl thanks |
| 13:54.58 | abrotman | oh damn it .. |
| 13:55.15 | abrotman | that's how the bot gets all f'ed up |
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| 13:56.10 | paxcoder | abortman: lol. The big secret is out XD |
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| 13:56.26 | abrotman | !tell paxcoder about lol |
| 13:56.39 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lmao |
| 13:56.42 | hoxu | !wud |
| 13:56.42 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 13:56.52 | abrotman | yeah .. pretty much |
| 13:57.04 | paxcoder | !lmao |
| 13:57.04 | dpkg | well, lmao is laughing my ass off, or see lol |
| 13:57.10 | paxcoder | hehe, take that |
| 13:57.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lolzzzz |
| 13:57.17 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | this is fun man |
| 13:57.26 | Eulex | !lolz |
| 13:57.26 | dpkg | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/lololol.gif |
| 13:57.34 | abrotman | oh it's hilarious .. you're all speaking idiots .. and you think it's funny .. great |
| 13:57.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :S |
| 13:57.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :S abrotman sometimes behave like our teacher |
| 13:58.04 | paxcoder | abortman: I think somebody needs a hug |
| 13:58.05 | compiler91 | hi! its me) i have the same problem.. i install debian with out grub/lilo, and i need known his kernel version to enter it to grub. But how? |
| 13:58.17 | abrotman | I think someone needs an english lesson? |
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| 13:58.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :s |
| 13:58.32 | asg | abrotman: wols should teach it |
| 13:58.40 | hoxu | haha |
| 13:58.42 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: stop already .. it's not funny .. |
| 13:58.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | man english ? |
| 13:58.43 | paxcoder | abortman: why? |
| 13:58.48 | abrotman | paxcoder: what's my nick? |
| 13:59.06 | abrotman | compiler91: grub has tab completion |
| 13:59.29 | paxcoder | abrotman: Admit it, you added abortman to the list of nicks to pop out. Because everyone gets confused. |
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| 13:59.44 | abrotman | that's fine .. your keyboarding skills still suck |
| 13:59.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | well i checked his name , now i don't get confused |
| 14:00.00 | compiler91 | abrotman, and? |
| 14:00.12 | abrotman | compiler91: you can tab out the name of the kernel ? |
| 14:00.15 | paxcoder | abortman: You're just a mean bully. |
| 14:00.25 | abrotman | great .. do you need help or not? |
| 14:00.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | pax its abrot, not abort >_> |
| 14:00.54 | paxcoder | Yes, I know. I actually wrote it on purpose |
| 14:01.02 | abrotman | he thinks he's funny |
| 14:01.21 | paxcoder | no, actually I just wanted to annoy you this time. |
| 14:01.33 | abrotman | right .. you think it's funny |
| 14:01.33 | paxcoder | :-P |
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| 14:01.51 | DevilChaos | hey guys hows it goin? |
| 14:01.58 | compiler91 | abrotman, i dont understand( |
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| 14:02.09 | abrotman | compiler91: which part of the grub command are you stuck on? |
| 14:02.12 | DevilChaos | having problems connecting to the internet through my laptop |
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| 14:02.34 | abrotman | DevilChaos: we'll need more details |
| 14:02.48 | DevilChaos | software realated as i have checked my ethernet card config any suggestions would be appreciated |
| 14:02.53 | DevilChaos | please? |
| 14:03.02 | DevilChaos | hey abrotman |
| 14:03.31 | Eulex | DevilChaos, so, are you getting any IP assigned to the interface? |
| 14:03.37 | DynamicPink | Eulex, I didn't find anything that stood out in .xsession-errors |
| 14:03.42 | DevilChaos | yes |
| 14:03.47 | DevilChaos | 192.168.1.24 |
| 14:04.14 | Eulex | DynamicPink, ok |
| 14:04.28 | Eulex | DevilChaos, can you ping your router? |
| 14:04.34 | DevilChaos | yes |
| 14:05.13 | abrotman | does name resolution work ? |
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| 14:05.27 | DevilChaos | not sure |
| 14:05.34 | DevilChaos | dns? |
| 14:05.44 | DevilChaos | think so al check |
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| 14:06.28 | mral3x | how do i install my wifi card atheros on lenny ? |
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| 14:06.28 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman, i have a sb live 5.1 sound card, surround sound seems to work fine with dvd's , can you provide me a guide to clone the front and the rear speakers when i am playing only a stereo audio ? |
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| 14:07.20 | abrotman | ask #alsa .. no idea .. alsa-project.org |
| 14:07.26 | compiler91 | abrotman, i enter << title deb root (hd0,8) kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda8 >> |
| 14:07.43 | abrotman | /boot/vmlinuz likely isn't right |
| 14:07.57 | DevilChaos | how do i check for sure if it is working command? |
| 14:08.03 | abrotman | something more like /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 or something |
| 14:08.10 | abrotman | DevilChaos: host/nslookup/dig |
| 14:08.12 | abrotman | goes |
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| 14:08.31 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | even i use a customized kernel, and for me its kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.26.5-custom root=/dev/sda5 |
| 14:08.45 | nubbun | mral3x: ath5k |
| 14:08.46 | compiler91 | abrotman, yes there must be kernel name, but I didnt known it( |
| 14:09.03 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | compiler, the best way is use a live cd and mount the partition and check |
| 14:09.34 | mral3x | nubbun: i only have that on a newer kernel which i don't use ... can i copy that on my older kernel and modprobe it ? |
| 14:10.00 | compiler91 | sh4d3sl4y3r_, i can mount it, but how i can check version? |
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| 14:10.30 | cahoot | sh4d3sl4y3r_: http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~bondhugu/alsamch.shtml |
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| 14:10.39 | Zaerath | I can't install a new kernel! |
| 14:10.49 | DevilChaos | brb |
| 14:10.54 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | thanks cahoot |
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| 14:11.14 | Zaerath | I can't install a new kernel; here's what happens: http://pastebin.com/m71ff407c |
| 14:11.18 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | compiler cd to that partition and check the vmlinuz string and the initrd |
| 14:11.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | and edit the menu.lst accordingly |
| 14:12.12 | Zaerath | Nevermind. I am out of space on my boot part. |
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| 14:13.58 | compiler91 | sh4d3sl4y3r, their are initrd.img and vmlinuz, but what i neet to do with them? |
| 14:14.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | well ls that directory and paste it on a pastebin |
| 14:14.45 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | and give me the link |
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| 14:15.01 | jMCg | !nickometer sh4d3sl4y3r_ |
| 14:15.03 | dpkg | 'sh4d3sl4y3r_' is 52.000% lame, jmcg |
| 14:15.15 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
| 14:15.15 | jMCg | This is surprisingly little. |
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| 14:15.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lemme try this meter thing |
| 14:15.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !nickometer kMCg |
| 14:15.57 | dpkg | 'kMCg' is 14.000% lame, sh4d3sl4y3r_ |
| 14:16.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !nickometer jMCg |
| 14:16.06 | dpkg | 'jMCg' is 14.000% lame, sh4d3sl4y3r_ |
| 14:16.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
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| 14:16.45 | cjsstables | hey all. when running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I'm not getting the detailed questions needed to set the driver to NV and to set screen resolution. |
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| 14:16.57 | DevilChaos | connection timed out no servers could be reached is the answer i get |
| 14:17.07 | asg | cjsstables: try dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg |
| 14:17.17 | DevilChaos | thats with nslookup |
| 14:17.27 | cjsstables | thanks asg |
| 14:17.41 | compiler91 | sh4d3sl4y3r_, http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m7dfca475 this? |
| 14:18.20 | jesper | Anyone who knows what the new testing version are going to be named? (when lenny becomes stable) |
| 14:18.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Pastebin entry m7dfca47 is not available |
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| 14:18.49 | asg | w00LiPoP: squeeze |
| 14:19.03 | cjsstables | <asg> that didn't work |
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| 14:19.11 | w00LiPoP | asg: ok |
| 14:19.32 | asg | cjsstables: what debian version are you running? |
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| 14:19.50 | cjsstables | <asg> lenny fully updated |
| 14:20.10 | DevilChaos | dig gives the same answer |
| 14:20.11 | compiler91 | sh4d3sl4y3r_, m7dfca475 |
| 14:20.18 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes i checked |
| 14:20.22 | DevilChaos | any other suggestions? |
| 14:20.29 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | u dont have any System.map present |
| 14:20.31 | asg | cjsstables: oh, I think things may have changed in lenny; that should have worked in etch. |
| 14:21.41 | compiler91 | sh4d3sl4y3r_, what does mean <<System.map>>? |
| 14:21.47 | maher | running "firefox url" on the command line opens a new tab with the url. running a shell script containing "#!/bin/sh \ firefox url" produces a can't find file /home/$USER/url - what am i doing wrong? |
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| 14:23.00 | jMCg | maher: which firefox |
| 14:23.44 | paxcoder | are you fine with this: |
| 14:23.47 | paxcoder | !free software |
| 14:23.47 | dpkg | [free software] at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html, or "Linus is in Finland and I am in The Netherlands. Are we reaching a situation where another critical industry, free software, that had been totally dominated by the U.S. is being taken over by the foreign competition?" - Andy Tanenbaum, Feb 1992. |
| 14:23.57 | maher | jMCg: iceweasel in etch |
| 14:24.04 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !System.map |
| 14:24.04 | dpkg | well, system.map is not essential but would prove to be useful if you come across any kernel OOPS messages. Have a read of /usr/src/linux/Documentation/oops.txt or edit /etc/init.d/sysklogd and add '-k /boot/System.map-`uname -r`' to the args line, or nm vmlinux | grep -v 'compiled\\|\\.o1225\\|\ [aUw] \|\\.\.ng1225\\|\LASH[RL]DI\' | sort > /boot/System.map-`uname -r` |
| 14:24.16 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | for compiler |
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| 14:24.59 | paxcoder | I think there was a better version of free software explanation before. |
| 14:25.04 | paxcoder | ah, well... |
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| 14:25.52 | DevilChaos | would it have anything to do with me having privoxy setup on it? |
| 14:26.02 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | brb |
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| 14:28.00 | compiler91 | ty |
| 14:28.15 | compiler91 | thanks for all.. bue |
| 14:28.24 | DevilChaos | abrotman: you still there? |
| 14:28.36 | jMCg | maher: you didn't quite get me. which(1) firefox. |
| 14:29.10 | DevilChaos | jmcg are you askin me? |
| 14:29.11 | maher | /usr/bin/firefox |
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| 14:29.55 | jMCg | So at least $PATH shouldn't be a problem. |
| 14:30.03 | DevilChaos | its ironic how a simp,le thing can be so annoying |
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| 14:30.22 | DevilChaos | my quote for the day |
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| 14:30.46 | jMCg | prefers setting up his proxies in a transparent manner. |
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| 14:31.41 | DevilChaos | ok i take it abrotman is busy andyone have any other suggestions on how to workout why i cant connect to the net through my laptop ? |
| 14:32.18 | DevilChaos | i have privoxy installed but have switched it off through firefox to see if thats the answer but still cant connect |
| 14:32.22 | maher | jMCg: ok - setting VERBOSE=1 in /usr/bin/firefox shows that when you call it from the script it decides to send the url as a file option for some reason.... |
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| 14:33.04 | jMCg | maher: why don't you explicitly use the openURL() function? |
| 14:33.06 | DevilChaos | aw my spelling and typing is terrible |
| 14:33.48 | wols_ | DevilChaos: check your resolv.conf |
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| 14:36.10 | DevilChaos | maybe the answer domain domain.com and undernieth has nameserver 0.0.0.0 nameserver 0.0.0.0 |
| 14:36.43 | wols_ | DevilChaos: maybe you talk gibberish. I told you what to do |
| 14:36.46 | DevilChaos | what should the domain part be can someone give an example i know what the dns numbers are though |
| 14:36.59 | wols_ | there is no "domain" part there |
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| 14:37.05 | heroxbd | Hello. After reading the README.Debian file with wpa_suppliant. I still can't figure out how use 802.1x example file to initiate my wired ethernet interface. |
| 14:37.07 | DevilChaos | yes thats what i get from resolv.conf |
| 14:37.19 | wols_ | DevilChaos: what is your nameserver? |
| 14:38.01 | heroxbd | Should I use the "Roaming" mode? |
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| 14:38.06 | DevilChaos | tell you the truth i cant remember but i know the numers |
| 14:38.09 | DevilChaos | numbers |
| 14:38.12 | DevilChaos | arg |
| 14:38.28 | wols_ | DevilChaos: more gibberish. if you know the numbers you know it |
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| 14:38.48 | DevilChaos | how do you work that one out? |
| 14:39.00 | wols_ | DevilChaos: goodbye. troll elsewhere |
| 14:39.19 | DevilChaos | thats not a very pleasant statment to make that i talk jibberish |
| 14:39.33 | DevilChaos | and i am not a troll! |
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| 14:39.55 | wols_ | then are you a moron? better don't answer. and I should stop talking to you. waste of time. |
| 14:39.56 | maher | jMCg: do you mean this: firefox "openurl(http://www.google.com)" |
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| 14:39.59 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone, |
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| 14:40.20 | nootoyahora | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.22 | heroxbd | I guess my authentizing method is EAP-MD5 |
| 14:40.23 | DevilChaos | thanks for your input anyway |
| 14:40.41 | DevilChaos | ill be nice to you if you cant be nice thats your problem! |
| 14:41.15 | jMCg | maher: yes. |
| 14:41.27 | jMCg | Or something like that, anyways. |
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| 14:41.58 | sepski | DevilChaos, you only need the nameserver lines unless you know what you are doing. |
| 14:42.49 | maher | jMCg: doesn't work - in fact firefox -no-remote gives a pop up window saying Iceweasel is already running but not responding... |
| 14:43.27 | DevilChaos | sepski thank you ill add the numbers and see what happens |
| 14:44.12 | sepski | DevilChaos, if you are unsure of the right dns servers try with opendns servers or something. |
| 14:44.23 | [RUsh] | What tool can I use in debian to lock X session? (i'm not using neither kde nor gnome) |
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| 14:45.00 | aliases123 | xlock |
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| 14:46.40 | nootoyahora | I got this "fw-host0: AT dma reset ctx=0, aborting transmission" in /var/log/messsages while downloading video from a firewire cam,,, what does it mean? |
| 14:48.01 | DevilChaos | sepski: somehow resolv.conf got cleared on my laptop and after restarting network services works a treat |
| 14:48.10 | DevilChaos | most appreciated |
| 14:48.13 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 14:48.25 | [RUsh] | aliases123: I can't install it in lenny |
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| 14:49.33 | DevilChaos | bye for now |
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| 14:53.30 | Newt11 | Does anybody know how I can get my internal webcam to work on my laptop, lenovo 3000 v100? |
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| 14:58.58 | maher | jMCg: ok - I was sending firefox "url" instead of url, and it didn't like that... |
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| 15:01.08 | aliases123 | ~firefox |
| 15:01.09 | apt | methinks firefox is the lightweight browser from the Mozilla Project, formerly named Mozilla Firebird, formerly Phoenix. See also: Thunderbird. |
| 15:01.39 | aliases123 | ..... did some one change that factiod ? |
| 15:02.04 | asg | ~factinfo firefox |
| 15:02.04 | apt | firefox -- created by Hackel <~hackel@CPE-65-29-0-173.mn.rr.com> at Tue Feb 17 09:18:37 2004 (1678 days); it has been requested 67 times, last by aliases123, 55s ago. |
| 15:02.17 | asg | aliases123: not in a very long time. Try /msg dpkg firefox |
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| 15:02.57 | aliases123 | ... i thought it said we don't support it |
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| 15:05.01 | nicalvaro | Any Iceweasel 3.0 users here |
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| 15:05.45 | nvz | does anyone know of a method I can use to lock a USB vfat drive or certain files on it that would work with both debian and windows? |
| 15:08.59 | asg | nvz: you could create two partitions, one for windows and one for linux. Windows will ignore the linux one if the windows one comes first and the linux one uses a partition type that windows doesn't understand. |
| 15:09.16 | nvz | yeah I considered that |
| 15:09.34 | nvz | but the issue here is I have a large USB harddrive and I'm living in a dorm. |
| 15:09.43 | nvz | I don't want everyone having access to the data on it |
| 15:09.53 | nvz | but at the same time I need access to it from both OSs |
| 15:10.12 | asg | nvz: then use TrueCrypt (the volumes should work with both OSs) |
| 15:10.35 | nvz | asg yeah I just now found that on google, I'm reading up on it |
| 15:11.34 | nvz | is the true crypt software in debian stable or do I need to install it from a third party? |
| 15:12.03 | asg | nvz: You'll have to install the TrueCrypt code from their website but it isn't difficult iirc. |
| 15:12.40 | nvz | yeah I just found an ubuntu deb |
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| 15:14.10 | los|s | hello |
| 15:14.11 | lionel_ | hello |
| 15:14.19 | lionel_ | anyone can help me |
| 15:14.22 | lionel_ | ?? |
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| 15:14.26 | los|s | ask |
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| 15:16.01 | los|s | does anyone know if there is a channel where i can speak about linux, not a specific distribution |
| 15:16.07 | asg | los|s: ##linux |
| 15:16.24 | los|s | thank you |
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| 15:17.18 | lionel_ | los|s: i have problem with my iso |
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| 15:17.31 | lionel_ | when i burn it, i can boot on my computeur |
| 15:17.44 | nvz | yeah truecrypt looks really good, I could use it either way just to encrypt the whole drive or just parts of it |
| 15:17.59 | lionel_ | los|s: do ton have an idea ? |
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| 15:18.58 | lionel_ | i want to install debian |
| 15:19.22 | lionel_ | lionel_: i have this debian-40r4a-ia64-netinst.iso |
| 15:19.35 | lionel_ | i run core2duo E6600 |
| 15:19.39 | los|s | ia64? |
| 15:19.47 | lionel_ | ia64 is correct ? |
| 15:20.03 | nivanson | no, you can use either i386 or amd64 on that one |
| 15:20.05 | los|s | isn't ia64 for itanium processors? |
| 15:20.14 | lionel_ | no |
| 15:20.14 | los|s | yes amd64 is for 64bit cpus |
| 15:20.39 | lionel_ | los|s: yes but i have an intel 64 processor |
| 15:20.47 | los|s | but not an itanium |
| 15:20.47 | lionel_ | los|s: i can use amd64 ? |
| 15:20.55 | los|s | you need the amd64, not the ia64 |
| 15:21.01 | aliases123 | ............................. its just the name. |
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| 15:21.23 | aliases123 | ~amd64 |
| 15:21.24 | apt | well, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or at http://www.jukie.net/~bart/debian/amd64/ |
| 15:21.44 | lionel_ | amd64 is better than i386? |
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| 15:22.08 | nivanson | lionel_: you will not notice any performance difference |
| 15:22.24 | aliases123 | how much ram do you have ? |
| 15:22.31 | lionel_ | i know, ok i run I386 , thank you |
| 15:22.37 | lionel_ | aliases123: 4 GO not more |
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| 15:24.41 | los|s | 4GB work with 32Bit debian |
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| 15:24.58 | JyZyXEL | checking for glutGetModifiers in -lglut... no |
| 15:24.58 | JyZyXEL | configure: error: libglut not found |
| 15:25.06 | ManDay | where is php installed under debian? |
| 15:25.07 | lionel_ | los|s: i know , i don't need more for use xfce |
| 15:25.08 | JyZyXEL | what do i need to apt-get? |
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| 15:26.12 | los|s | lionel_: yes :D |
| 15:26.13 | JyZyXEL | sudo apt-get install freeglut3 freeglut3-dev libglut3 libglut3-dev |
| 15:26.17 | JyZyXEL | didn't help |
| 15:26.35 | ManDay | where is php installed under debian? |
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| 15:27.12 | mhymn | JyZyXEL: might be "aptitude install libglut3-dev" |
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| 15:27.32 | El_Guillermo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.59 | wols_ | ManDay: php consists of many package. be more precise |
| 15:28.14 | JyZyXEL | mhymn libglut3-dev is already the newest version. |
| 15:28.25 | ManDay | no idea |
| 15:28.35 | wols_ | !wayttd ManDay |
| 15:28.35 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ManDay? |
| 15:28.42 | ManDay | i found that the extensions are in /usr/lib/php/modules |
| 15:28.45 | ManDay | thats what i watned to know |
| 15:28.57 | ManDay | im still used to windows structure - everything in once place |
| 15:29.21 | ManDay | its a fuckin pain to find out where things are |
| 15:29.43 | wols_ | ManDay: it's not. linux is actually a lot more organized for "where is which file" |
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| 15:30.01 | ManDay | no its not more organized |
| 15:30.05 | ManDay | its just different |
| 15:31.11 | wols_ | on windows I don't know where something is. it can be in lots of places. in lihnx there is a definite place. always |
| 15:31.11 | abrotman | yeah .. especially with symlinks! |
| 15:31.11 | JyZyXEL | if i install everything that "sudo apt-cache search glut | grep dev" outputs |
| 15:31.11 | JyZyXEL | checking for glutGetModifiers in -lglut... no |
| 15:31.11 | JyZyXEL | configure: error: libglut not found |
| 15:31.11 | JyZyXEL | how can that shit happen? |
| 15:31.14 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: chzeck your configure logfile |
| 15:31.48 | kasmra | ManDay, "dpkg -L <packagename>" lists all the files (and where they are) that come with the <packagename> |
| 15:31.52 | JyZyXEL | wols_ for what? |
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| 15:32.07 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: for what it needs and doesn't find? |
| 15:32.36 | JyZyXEL | configure:22747: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c -lglut -lGLU -lGL -lm -lSDL_image -lSDL -lpthread -lSM -lICE -lpthread -lX -lXi -lXext -lXmu -lm -lGLU -lGL -lm -lSDL_image -lSDL -lpthread >&5 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXi |
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| 15:33.04 | ManDay | i know |
| 15:33.10 | ManDay | thanks bye |
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| 15:33.19 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: don't stupidly paste it, READ it instead |
| 15:33.43 | JyZyXEL | i have no idea what -lXi is |
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| 15:34.00 | wols_ | then you shouldn't compile your stuff. HAND |
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| 15:34.14 | ManDay | IM NOT finished yet |
| 15:34.27 | ManDay | whats the name of the GD (graphics something) package in debian? |
| 15:34.31 | ManDay | i need it for php |
| 15:34.36 | abrotman | php5-gd |
| 15:34.37 | ManDay | but im struggling to get anything going |
| 15:34.46 | wols_ | ManDay: apt-cache search php |grep php |grep gd |
| 15:34.55 | JyZyXEL | well fuck |
| 15:35.05 | abrotman | apt-cache search php5 gd ... way easier |
| 15:35.08 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: you have too many STDs, so no thanks |
| 15:35.18 | wols_ | abrotman: more possible false positives |
| 15:35.25 | abrotman | it only returns two |
| 15:35.40 | abrotman | and if you think php5-dbg gives you graphics .. .. |
| 15:35.45 | ManDay | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 15:35.48 | ManDay | ITS NOT EVEN DEBIAN |
| 15:35.52 | ManDay | hell |
| 15:35.56 | abrotman | less caps please |
| 15:35.59 | wols_ | !pity ManDay |
| 15:35.59 | dpkg | I pity da fool ManDay! |
| 15:36.29 | ManDay | ok any idea whats the channel for "scientific linux" ? |
| 15:36.43 | wols_ | we don't even know what "scientific linux" is :) |
| 15:36.51 | ManDay | dont freaking ask me |
| 15:36.58 | abrotman | ##linux in a pinch ? |
| 15:36.59 | ManDay | its something redhat based |
| 15:37.05 | wols_ | scientifix linux is RHEL based |
| 15:37.12 | wols_ | damn you were faser |
| 15:37.14 | wols_ | *faster |
| 15:38.30 | JyZyXEL | i should just install *-dev so i wouldn't ever have to deal with these problems again |
| 15:38.48 | abrotman | great plan .. have fun |
| 15:38.58 | aliases123 | ah how do i force install via dpkg ? |
| 15:39.04 | tview | under what menu should gnome-osd be? Cant see it anywhere. |
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| 15:39.22 | abrotman | aliases123: you don't .. you fix the problem |
| 15:39.36 | abrotman | tview: Universal Access |
| 15:39.40 | aliases123 | can't fix it. |
| 15:39.41 | abrotman | in lenny anyways |
| 15:39.44 | abrotman | aliases123: show us |
| 15:39.52 | aliases123 | its a issue with depends |
| 15:39.55 | abrotman | aliases123: show us |
| 15:40.13 | tview | abrotman: where is Universal Access? |
| 15:40.21 | abrotman | tview: are you on etch or lenny? |
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| 15:40.40 | aliases123 | http://pastebin.com/d480bc099 |
| 15:41.04 | aliases123 | and i can't install that cuz it depends on zhone |
| 15:41.24 | abrotman | aliases123: aptitude update && apt-cache policy zhone zhone-illume-glue .. paste the output of the apt-cache policy |
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| 15:41.53 | abrotman | course .. there's no such thing as zhone in debian |
| 15:42.31 | abrotman | aliases123: did you add a custom source for zhone ? |
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| 15:42.41 | aliases123 | abrotman: there is. its from openmoko .. its a custom feed. |
| 15:42.54 | abrotman | aliases123: are you trying to install with dpkg or aptitude/apt-get ? |
| 15:43.02 | aliases123 | dpkg. |
| 15:43.12 | abrotman | aliases123: aptitude -f install .. see if that fixes it |
| 15:43.18 | aliases123 | i'm trying to install an older version tho. |
| 15:43.22 | aliases123 | not the latest |
| 15:43.29 | aliases123 | hence.... dpkg ..... |
| 15:43.35 | abrotman | then put both items on one dpkg -i line |
| 15:43.42 | nvz | wanders off to install irssi in windows |
| 15:43.45 | aliases123 | abrotman: i did that already |
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| 15:43.54 | abrotman | aliases123: and what happened? |
| 15:43.58 | neurodamage | openssh-server is being held back any ideas why? |
| 15:44.54 | aliases123 | um. it actually works now... od. i might be going a bit crazy. |
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| 15:46.24 | abrotman | neurodamage: try a dist-upgrade |
| 15:46.39 | Dream | hi |
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| 15:47.22 | neurodamage | abrotman: well then how about that :) |
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| 15:49.53 | Dream | looking in a crontab's server at my work, i notice that every job is prefixed by "exec". does anyone could explain me why pls ? |
| 15:50.26 | abrotman | which crontab? |
| 15:50.32 | abrotman | give an example |
| 15:50.54 | Dream | oh.. nothing particular about command |
| 15:51.25 | Dream | just job like test if ldap server up or restart it |
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| 15:52.15 | neurodamage | Dream: man exec, you'll see what the POSIX command is for :) |
| 15:52.37 | Dream | or makes backup |
| 15:53.15 | Dream | neurodamage: yep, i read it. altrought i still didn't understand... |
| 15:53.56 | Dream | it run new sub-process. ok. but why ? |
| 15:54.24 | Dream | or maybe i doesn't understand everything :D |
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| 15:55.03 | tview | abrotman: lenny |
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| 15:55.20 | abrotman | tview: it's in my universal access gnome menu |
| 15:55.25 | Dream | is it really required ? |
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| 15:55.39 | tview | I habe no idea what that is or where it should be. |
| 15:56.57 | tview | or can anyone tell me a command line osd tool? |
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| 15:58.06 | nachos | hi, what runlevel has everything but X? |
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| 15:58.59 | Maliuta | nachos: whichever you choose |
| 16:00.48 | [RUsh] | Where can I get a list of web cams supported by debian? |
| 16:01.03 | lionel_ | los|s: i have burn an net install I386, but i can't boot |
| 16:01.06 | lionel_ | why ? |
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| 16:02.07 | lionel_ | i have burn 5 cd today for have chance to setup debian in my computeur |
| 16:02.13 | nachos | Maliuta: uh.. what do you mean |
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| 16:02.38 | nachos | any runlevel from 3 to 5 is runlevel 2 without X? |
| 16:02.38 | tview | I am looking to display something on a gnome desktop using OSD. Does anyone here know how to do it? |
| 16:03.34 | Maliuta | nachos: you configure which runlevels start which programs and stop which programs as they are entered |
| 16:03.43 | Maliuta | nachos: you need to look into sysvinit |
| 16:03.44 | nachos | okay. |
| 16:04.04 | Maliuta | nachos: i.e. the /etc/init.d dir and the /etc/rc?.d dirs |
| 16:04.20 | abrotman | nachos: in debian .. 2-5 are the same |
| 16:04.36 | Maliuta | nachos: you can do it by hand using ls, or with tools like update-rc.d |
| 16:04.38 | abrotman | tview: did you install the OSD ? |
| 16:04.39 | tview | RUsh: check out gspca-modules in synaptic for a start |
| 16:04.49 | Maliuta | abrotman: that is only by default |
| 16:04.55 | tview | abrotman: which package? I installed gnome-osd. |
| 16:04.57 | abrotman | i know |
| 16:05.04 | tview | I tried aosd_cat but nothing appears |
| 16:05.36 | abrotman | tview: called 'gok' |
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| 16:05.50 | los|s | lionel_: did you burn an iso image? |
| 16:06.08 | tview | abrotman: why would I want an onscreen keyboard? :-; |
| 16:06.18 | abrotman | uh .. |
| 16:06.30 | los|s | lionel_: did you "say" to your GRUB that the computer shall boot from the cd? |
| 16:06.51 | abrotman | tview: totally my fault .. i misread osd as osk |
| 16:06.56 | abrotman | tview: what are you looking for again ? |
| 16:07.44 | tview | abrotman : osd. On screen display. |
| 16:07.49 | lionel_ | los|s: yes i burn, an iso, yes i can boot a ubuntu cd |
| 16:08.03 | los|s | does debian not start at all? |
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| 16:08.08 | los|s | does the cd boot? |
| 16:08.09 | abrotman | tview: so that's what gnome-osd is for right ? |
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| 16:08.36 | abrotman | wonders why gnome-osd suggests xchat .. but whatever |
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| 16:09.00 | tview | abrotman: right. But it doesnt work. |
| 16:09.11 | abrotman | tview: did you logout/login after installing it ? |
| 16:09.24 | tview | abrotman : of course not. This is Linux. |
| 16:09.42 | abrotman | tview: some things do require a restart of X though |
| 16:09.48 | tview | brb |
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| 16:10.39 | abrotman | uhm .. he didn't let me finish |
| 16:11.12 | nachos | whats the name of that program where you can easily modify the scripts run for each runlevel? i forget its name |
| 16:11.45 | cahoot | rcconfig or such? |
| 16:11.56 | abrotman | rcconf |
| 16:12.05 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 16:12.41 | Blaziken | hi everyone. I installed PolicyKit to ask root password when I mount devices instead saying to me that I'm not root. How can I configure it? I have Debian Lenny beta2 |
| 16:13.02 | lionel_ | why i can't boot on network install? |
| 16:13.25 | abrotman | lionel_: what speed did you burn the ISO? some ISOs don't take well to highspeed burns |
| 16:13.50 | lionel_ | 8X |
| 16:13.56 | abrotman | perhaps i should say some burners |
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| 16:17.04 | Blaziken | is there anyone who can answer to my question? |
| 16:17.37 | huangjs | Hi, I have a problem with my ssh reverse tunnel. Scp doesn't work on the reverse tunnel, could anybody tell me what's the problem? |
| 16:17.37 | mhymn | lionel_: MD5 is OK ? |
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| 16:18.26 | mral3x | can someone please help me configuring a kernel ? |
| 16:18.40 | mral3x | i'm trying to enable ath5k but ican't find it |
| 16:19.00 | abrotman | mral3x: which kernel? |
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| 16:19.00 | mral3x | i searched it and i'm at the exact location but i can't see it |
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| 16:19.19 | mral3x | 2.6.26.5 |
| 16:19.52 | ZZZN0W | http://www.mergytes.com/zaidimas/erika/?key=875b86f20b72bfa4cb33cf10571d1347 |
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| 16:20.22 | mral3x | when i search ath5k i also get this Depends on: NETDEVICES && !S390 && PCI && MAC80211 && WLAN_80211 && EXPERIMENTAL |
| 16:20.39 | mral3x | does it mean that i have to enable those in order to enable ath5k ? |
| 16:20.50 | bob1 | hi, i am running an up to date lenny on my latop... having problems getting my usb headset to work. Search turns up nothing so far. Does anyone have an idea? |
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| 16:21.37 | abrotman | mral3x: you may have to enable "broken" stuff |
| 16:21.54 | abrotman | mral3x: are you running lenny ? |
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| 16:22.28 | \amethyst | mral3x: except for S390, which must be disabled (that is, ath5k doesn't work on IBM mainframes) |
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| 16:23.09 | Blaziken | I installed PolicyKit to ask root password when I mount devices instead saying to me that I'm not root. How can I configure it? I have Debian Lenny beta2 |
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| 16:23.22 | mral3x | abrotman: i'm running lenny |
| 16:23.36 | abrotman | mral3x: lenny already has a .26 kernel with ath5k enabled |
| 16:24.01 | mral3x | but if i use the stock 2.6.26-1 kernel my laptop crashes with no reason at random moments |
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| 16:24.35 | Benzi | hey |
| 16:24.45 | Benzi | I'm tring to read data off a damaged audio cd using cdparanoia |
| 16:24.49 | mral3x | so i'm loading my working 2.6.18 kernel config into a stock 2.6.26.5 and i'm looking to enable ath5k |
| 16:24.50 | Benzi | it's taking a really long time |
| 16:24.56 | Benzi | is it possible to pause it and resume later? |
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| 16:25.28 | abrotman | mral3x: how are you configuring? menuconfig ? |
| 16:25.33 | mral3x | yes |
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| 16:26.14 | irit | when I connect from macosx I can't change the language indicator |
| 16:26.15 | |seb| | What makes a package to be "kept back" when installing and how fix? |
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| 16:26.24 | Blaziken | is there anyone that can answer me? -_- |
| 16:26.24 | mral3x | abrotman: yes |
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| 16:26.57 | abrotman | mral3x: and you can't find ath5k at all? |
| 16:27.09 | |seb| | abrotman: What makes a package to be "kept back" when installing and how fix? |
| 16:27.11 | abrotman | Blaziken: you might want to wait and ask again later .. in an hour or so |
| 16:27.17 | abrotman | !tell |seb| about held back |
| 16:27.49 | mral3x | abrotman: no i can't |
| 16:28.03 | mral3x | i'm right there where it should be and it's not there |
| 16:28.05 | abrotman | mral3x: did you enable broken stuff ? |
| 16:28.14 | abrotman | experimental .. whatever |
| 16:28.34 | abrotman | if you don't enable that first .. IIRC it doesn't even show up in the menuconfig |
| 16:28.38 | mral3x | abrotman: not shore ... let me check |
| 16:28.46 | abrotman | sure |
| 16:28.57 | mral3x | Symbol: EXPERIMENTAL [=y] |
| 16:29.23 | mral3x | yeah ... sure .... don't know what was in my mind |
| 16:29.36 | |seb| | abrotman: thanks...when I did "aptitude dist-upgrade" it recommened that I hold back linux-headers-generic.....now I'm in trouble because I *need* that to build a driver!! |
| 16:29.46 | abrotman | |seb|: you're using ubuntu ... |
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| 16:31.22 | mral3x | abrotman: so .. any ideeas ? |
| 16:31.32 | |seb| | abrotman: yes |
| 16:31.39 | |seb| | abrotman: how did you know? |
| 16:31.48 | |seb| | abrotman: is this a common problem in ubuntu? |
| 16:31.56 | abrotman | |seb|: ask #ubuntu |
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| 16:32.14 | abrotman | mral3x: let me get the source and try |
| 16:32.47 | mral3x | abrotman: ok ... i saw that mac80211 it's not enabled ... maybe it's because of this |
| 16:33.06 | mral3x | abrotman: i'll go and eat now and continue it after ... |
| 16:33.09 | abrotman | so enable it and try |
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| 16:36.07 | martijn81 | how can i setup a raid1 disk on debian? |
| 16:36.13 | abrotman | sw or hw? |
| 16:36.27 | mral3x | abrotman: find it ... thanks for the patience |
| 16:36.30 | martijn81 | i already used one under kubuntu, but now under debian i cannot seem to access the files anymore |
| 16:36.35 | abrotman | mral3x: got it working ? |
| 16:36.41 | mral3x | * found it |
| 16:36.44 | abrotman | mral3x: so i can stop compiling ? |
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| 16:37.08 | abrotman | !ig |
| 16:37.08 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r4 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
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| 16:38.44 | Blaziken | I installed PolicyKit to ask root password when I mount devices instead saying to me that I'm not root. How can I configure it? I have Debian Lenny beta2 |
| 16:38.51 | Blaziken | I installed PolicyKit to ask root password when I mount devices instead saying to me that I'm not root. How can I configure it? I have Debian Lenny beta2 |
| 16:38.54 | Blaziken | ops |
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| 16:39.30 | martijn81 | anyone can help me with raid1 support |
| 16:39.36 | dirkson | Hey all. I would like the software "mencoder", and absolutely cannot seem to find a reliable resource for which software package owns it. Help? |
| 16:39.42 | abrotman | that wasn't quite an hour ... |
| 16:39.46 | abrotman | !tell martijn81 about ig |
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| 16:39.54 | Zaerath | I resized my boot partition and now I get a kernel panic cannot mount /dev/hda at unknown block (0,0). I'm confused? |
| 16:39.55 | abrotman | martijn81: does it already exist? |
| 16:40.04 | Zaerath | HDA3* |
| 16:40.06 | abrotman | !tell dirkson about dmm |
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| 16:40.14 | samy-delux | hey guys, I have a small question regarding iptables / CIDR notation |
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| 16:40.58 | Benzi | I'm tring to read data off a damaged audio cd using cdparanoia |
| 16:40.59 | Benzi | it's taking a really long time |
| 16:41.00 | Benzi | is it possible to pause it and resume later? |
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| 16:41.41 | samy-delux | How would I write 78.42.193.112/xx to block allow IPs ranging from 78.42.193.112 to 78.46.193.127 ? |
| 16:42.05 | abrotman | !info ipcalc etch |
| 16:42.20 | dirkson | abrotman: It seems like a very nice repository, although now I can't find any info on how to get debian to use it. |
| 16:42.29 | dpkg | ipcalc: (parameter calculator for IPv4 addresses), section net, is optional. Version: 0.41-1 (etch), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 16:42.30 | abrotman | dirkson: there are instructions on the site |
| 16:42.31 | samy-delux | would it be /28 ? |
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| 16:43.20 | martijn81 | sorry, i closed my konversation irc client |
| 16:43.27 | dirkson | abrotman: Ah. You're right. They're just UNDER the news. Should I be trusting this repo? The site is put together like some of my 7th grade html projects... |
| 16:43.38 | martijn81 | can someone repeat what he/she has given me? |
| 16:43.58 | abrotman | dirkson: not everyone speaks HTML :) |
| 16:44.18 | abrotman | martijn81: does the raid device already exist ? |
| 16:44.19 | dirkson | abrotman: I know I sure don't anymore. This is why I use CMS's. They do the work for me. |
| 16:44.30 | abrotman | dirkson: yeah .. i don't think marillat really cares |
| 16:44.41 | martijn81 | abrotman:yup, i just have no ready access on it |
| 16:44.46 | martijn81 | it worked under kubuntu though |
| 16:44.47 | samy-delux | Thanks for pointing out this tool dpkg |
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| 16:45.13 | abrotman | martijn81: you'll have to configure it with your mdadm.conf |
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| 16:45.16 | abrotman | !swraid |
| 16:45.16 | dpkg | it has been said that software raid is commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html also see http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html or see section 6.3.2.2 of the <ig> |
| 16:45.19 | abrotman | jebus |
| 16:45.23 | JordiGH | Paul Brossier, MIA? |
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| 16:45.30 | abrotman | #debian ? |
| 16:45.44 | JordiGH | Er, he's a DD... |
| 16:45.55 | abrotman | so send him an email .. why would you ask here? |
| 16:45.57 | martijn81 | abrotman: ok, but what is needed in this file then |
| 16:46.10 | abrotman | it's your stuff .. read the howto .. |
| 16:46.23 | JordiGH | Because I am not a DD and don't have access to the whatever files the DDs do have access to where they can check if another DD is MIA. |
| 16:46.38 | abrotman | you can still send him an email |
| 16:46.43 | dirkson | abrotman: It just looks unprofessional to the point of being creepy, and could be fixed with ~30 minutes worth of work. Seems odd. |
| 16:47.00 | abrotman | dirkson: volunteers welcome! |
| 16:47.53 | dirkson | abrotman: Yeah, linux people always say that, and it's always annoying. |
| 16:48.12 | wols_ | dirkson: yes complaining but lazy people are damn annoying |
| 16:48.27 | aliases123 | what is this ? |
| 16:48.32 | abrotman | dirkson: it would only take you half an hour! |
| 16:48.36 | JordiGH | dirkson: wtf, you just said it could be fixed with ~30 minutes of work, so do it |
| 16:48.37 | JordiGH | ! |
| 16:48.48 | aliases123 | ok lets move. |
| 16:48.52 | aliases123 | what is it ---> 30mins ? |
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| 16:50.05 | aliases123 | oh wait a second you just said cms work for you. |
| 16:50.16 | aliases123 | well. they don't for me. they use way to much system resources |
| 16:50.48 | wols_ | !enter |
| 16:50.49 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 16:50.53 | octox2 | can anyone tell me what "currently sold" webcams work under linux? I can find some list that work or worked but you cant buy any off them anymore? |
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| 16:51.25 | Benzi | got it |
| 16:51.36 | gregg_man | hello. Is it okay to install dansguardian with webmin in debian? |
| 16:51.45 | neurodamage | octox2: spca505 chipsets from intel :) |
| 16:51.53 | wols_ | gregg_man: no. we don't support webmin at all |
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| 16:52.29 | gregg_man | wols_, why? |
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| 16:52.30 | aliases123 | wols_: sorry but for the first "enter" the second was due to a delayed reading of said statements. octox2 many do . i'm sure some one can point you to the right location for a more general stie.. but logitek ones should work ... don't know which "free" ones work. |
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| 16:52.36 | JordiGH | octox2: Logitech webcams get actual support from Logitech for building Linux drivers. Check here which one to buy: http://www.quickcamteam.net/hcl/linux/ |
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| 16:53.01 | dirkson | JordiGH: abrotman: I did have a big long explanation typed up, but I realized that I could not word this in a way that would make you shut up, which is really my goal at this point. So I'm off to do other things. |
| 16:53.04 | wols_ | gregg_man: webmin breaks your debian |
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| 16:53.28 | abrotman | dirkson: thanks for sparing us :) |
| 16:53.40 | gregg_man | wols_, I've been running webmin for almost a year and so far it doesn't break my headless debian |
| 16:53.53 | aliases123 | wols_: what about ebox ? |
| 16:53.56 | JordiGH | dirkson: Yeah, bug off. :-) |
| 16:54.04 | wols_ | gregg_man: we don't give a fuck. we do not support webmin. at all. if you want an 0wned box, your choice, not our problem |
| 16:54.17 | wols_ | aliases123: learn to use ssh |
| 16:54.25 | gregg_man | aliases123, ebox is not yet fully developed that last time I tried it. It is limited in functionality |
| 16:54.33 | dirkson | gregg_man: wols_: I've also had zero problems with webmin on Debian, although I admit I don't use it much, and haven't been able to teach my boss to use it. (He requested it) |
| 16:54.36 | aliases123 | wols_: ah ? i'm using ssh right now. |
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| 16:54.55 | wols_ | aliases123: ebox is not in debian either btw |
| 16:55.10 | aliases123 | wols_: i am aware of that. is it supported tho.... vs webmin.... |
| 16:55.16 | wols_ | dirkson: we already established what king of guy you are. please stop talking to me |
| 16:55.34 | wols_ | aliases123: debian is supported here. ebox is not in debian. the end |
| 16:55.47 | aliases123 | wols_: fair enough. |
| 16:55.52 | dirkson | wols_: There's a neat sort of irony in that typo, but it doesn't really make me feel much better. |
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| 16:56.16 | nvz | wow, getting this verison USB modem to work in debian seemed way too easy |
| 16:56.20 | wols_ | dirkson: king of laziness and idiocy? |
| 16:56.26 | nvz | I was expecting a long drawn out battle |
| 16:56.33 | nvz | that I would end up losing |
| 16:56.49 | wols_ | switches nvz' usb cable to a subtly failing one |
| 16:56.55 | nvz | heh |
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| 16:57.06 | nvz | well irssi in cygwin just wasn't even close to the same |
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| 16:57.39 | nvz | now I'm sitting here trying to decide the best way to start the connection |
| 16:57.50 | samy-delux | how can I test if iptables really blocks a request or not |
| 16:57.53 | gregg_man | Maybe webmin has all to configure the box in GUI.. I supposed the main reason of discouraging people of using GUI's since those ITs there might not be useful anymore since GUI could help those even newbies to learn making servers :) |
| 16:57.53 | aliases123 | ppp :) |
| 16:58.14 | samy-delux | like make a request to a specific port and see if the packates are rejected or accpeted |
| 16:58.20 | nvz | the ubuntu howto said use gnome-ppp but I've got wvdial.conf setup, so... just wondering if I should add that into my xsession or where exactly I should invoke wvdial from |
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| 16:58.24 | wols_ | samy-delux: use an iptables log |
| 16:58.38 | samy-delux | is there any way from the outside |
| 16:58.42 | nvz | right now I got it running in a terminal-emulator |
| 16:58.45 | samy-delux | something like netcat a little maybe |
| 16:58.47 | wols_ | nvz: what's wrong with pon? or dial on demand? |
| 16:58.54 | nvz | wols_: idk.. |
| 16:58.59 | wols_ | samy-delux: yes. use a log |
| 16:59.07 | nvz | so far the wvdial method is the only one I know |
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| 16:59.15 | wols_ | nvz: pppoe? |
| 16:59.18 | abrotman | prefers pppconfig/pon/poff |
| 16:59.31 | nvz | its a USB 3g/CDMA modem |
| 16:59.37 | nvz | doesn't use PPPOE afaik |
| 16:59.45 | nvz | just straight serial PPP |
| 16:59.53 | wols_ | agrees with abrotman |
| 17:00.05 | manu_hack | hi, in my /boot folder I have some files like config, config.old, etc. which link to files that not exist anymore, is that a problem? |
| 17:00.16 | wols_ | manu_hack: no |
| 17:00.33 | manu_hack | thx wols_ |
| 17:00.41 | wols_ | manu_hack: what debian version? there shouldn't be any "config" there |
| 17:01.05 | manu_hack | when installed it was sarge, but now it's been upgraded to lenny |
| 17:01.22 | nvz | installs pppconfig to check it out |
| 17:01.28 | abrotman | wols_: in /boot/ .. there are the kernel configs |
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| 17:01.40 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 17:01.44 | nvz | I think I used pon/poff a long time ago |
| 17:01.49 | wols_ | abrotman: but none of them is called config, but config-2.6.18 and the like |
| 17:01.56 | nvz | do they background themselves or whatever? |
| 17:02.04 | wols_ | nvz: yes |
| 17:02.12 | manu_hack | right, on another box, I installed etch, there is no config, |
| 17:02.14 | wols_ | it starts pppd in daemon mode |
| 17:02.39 | nvz | cool, cause with wvdial it stays in the terminal and I don't know how to "properly" end the session.. just ctrl+c |
| 17:02.54 | nvz | I'll try running pppconfig and try with pon/poff |
| 17:03.01 | frank[] | I am having a problem with my fluxbox menu: I want to have it in Dutch, but even when I set several locale settings to nl and run update-menus, the menu still shows up in English; any ideas how to solve that? I applied all the hints in /usr/share/doc/menu/README.translations |
| 17:03.10 | manu_hack | wols_: i think that was old thing, which should not cause any booting problem, thx anyway |
| 17:03.30 | wols_ | frank[]: set the "proper" LANG env variable before calling fluxbox |
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| 17:04.39 | frank[] | wols_: the command 'locale' reports that all variables (including LANG) are nl_NL.UTF-8 |
| 17:04.55 | frank[] | (except for LC_ALL) |
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| 17:05.47 | nvz | ponders PAP/Chat/Chap for a moment |
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| 17:06.35 | frank[] | wols_: it gets the menu from /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu, which is autogenerated by update-menus |
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| 17:06.45 | nvz | hmm.. not sure really.. guess a little T/E is in order |
| 17:08.04 | nvz | I guess I should close this connection while I am testing another ppp |
| 17:08.06 | nvz | dissapears |
| 17:08.23 | qq- | frank[]: try restart X (or logout /login ) |
| 17:09.15 | frank[] | qq-: I have done that |
| 17:09.23 | octox2 | JordiGH: ahh thank you. |
| 17:09.34 | frank[] | qq-: it won't help, because the contents of /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu are not translated |
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| 17:12.59 | nvz | sweet, now I need to get rid of gnome-ppp and wvdial. |
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| 17:13.42 | callahad | Hi, does anyone know of a USB wifi adapter that doesn't require any non-free components? |
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| 17:14.09 | Pollywog | what is the ext3 equivalent of the ext2 chattr command? |
| 17:14.15 | JordiGH | callahad: The Linux Emporium sells some ralink USB wireless thingies. |
| 17:15.01 | JordiGH | callahad: http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/wireless/ |
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| 17:15.08 | callahad | JordiGH: Thanks! |
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| 17:15.24 | JordiGH | !next |
| 17:15.24 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 17:15.32 | FedererRoger | what is a good VPS provider? |
| 17:15.52 | JordiGH | FedererRoger: Dreamhost? |
| 17:16.12 | fat-lobyte | Hello! I am trying to set up the bootlogd, but the /var/log/boot contains only this: http://debian.pastebin.com/m25d8c3ec |
| 17:16.33 | FedererRoger | thanks |
| 17:16.39 | fat-lobyte | Does anybody know how I can get the bootlogd working properly? |
| 17:16.42 | callahad | Oof; $50 USD to ship one here. *Looks for the model in US stores* |
| 17:16.49 | FedererRoger | another q: what ISO should i download to install TESTING ? |
| 17:17.19 | JordiGH | callahad: Oy. Well, fwiw, a friend of mine bought one and worked very well with her Debian. |
| 17:17.31 | abrotman | FedererRoger: debian.org/devel/debian-installer .. but i wouldn't use that for a server |
| 17:17.42 | FedererRoger | im sick of this ubuntu crap, i want to return to my debian origins |
| 17:17.53 | FedererRoger | abrotman: for a desktop? |
| 17:17.58 | nvz | Pollywog: ext3 is ext2 |
| 17:18.05 | Pollywog | FedererRoger: some ppl think I am nuts for saying the same thing |
| 17:18.07 | abrotman | FedererRoger: you just said VPS .. |
| 17:18.25 | FedererRoger | nono, that was another question ,different |
| 17:18.26 | Pollywog | nvz: ty I suspected someone might point that out |
| 17:18.28 | nvz | isn't there a ext4 driver in the kernel now for testing? |
| 17:18.32 | abrotman | FedererRoger: ah .. should be fine for a desktop |
| 17:18.43 | FedererRoger | what do you use abrotman? |
| 17:18.51 | abrotman | nvz: in lenny .. yes |
| 17:18.57 | abrotman | FedererRoger: on this laptop .. lenny |
| 17:19.07 | Pollywog | I just wasn't sure that it would also work with ext3 |
| 17:19.10 | Pollywog | ty |
| 17:19.12 | nvz | I meant upstream, but yeah cool |
| 17:19.26 | nvz | I thought I seen something about it when I was compiling a newer kernel recently |
| 17:19.27 | FedererRoger | Pollywog: what same thing? |
| 17:19.36 | nvz | just couldn't remember if I seen it in the kernel or in the news |
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| 17:19.55 | Pollywog | FedererRoger: that I would want to return to Debian after trying *buntu |
| 17:20.09 | [RUsh] | How can I install xlock in lenny? |
| 17:20.20 | [RUsh] | Or maybe there is alternative? |
| 17:20.22 | nvz | I was trying to compile a more laptop friendly kernel with the latest upstream code.. |
| 17:20.31 | FedererRoger | Pollywog: i didnt try, i was forced... but now i have more time, so ill use what is correct, debian |
| 17:20.38 | nvz | not so sure it offered me any improvements and now I'm back to using the debian etch kernel |
| 17:20.40 | Pollywog | oic |
| 17:20.53 | FedererRoger | at work, they use Ubuntu... |
| 17:20.53 | nvz | mostly because when I compiled it I didn't include ppp support.. heh |
| 17:21.00 | nvz | now I got a damn CDMA modem |
| 17:21.15 | Pollywog | *buntu is okay until you try to upgrade |
| 17:21.22 | abrotman | try #ubuntu if you want to talk about it |
| 17:21.28 | Pollywog | k |
| 17:21.39 | FedererRoger | any limitations on the 64 bits version?? |
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| 17:22.21 | JordiGH | Our sarge -> etch upgrade was pretty smooth, iirc. |
| 17:22.33 | abrotman | FedererRoger: if it's for a desktop .. just use i386 |
| 17:22.36 | Pollywog | JordiGH: yes it was |
| 17:22.42 | nvz | I still haven't managed to figure out how to get chbg to play nice with nautilus or which program needs a bug filed against it.. heh |
| 17:22.53 | nvz | not that it matters since it will not get fixed in stable anyhow |
| 17:23.01 | Pollywog | I only had problems when I upgraded from 2.4 kernel, had to do a clean install |
| 17:23.07 | FedererRoger | abrotman: oookay... if you were a girl |
| 17:23.16 | abrotman | FedererRoger: that's not funny |
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| 17:23.21 | JordiGH | Pollywog: Really? I install new Linuxen all the time. |
| 17:23.25 | nvz | everytime chbg changes the background nautilus dies |
| 17:23.28 | JordiGH | But only Linux. |
| 17:23.40 | nvz | I spent a while stracing but couldn't figure anything out |
| 17:23.46 | abrotman | FedererRoger: if you're going to ignore advice .. why the hell would you ask? |
| 17:23.51 | Pollywog | I would rather not do clean installs |
| 17:24.00 | FedererRoger | im downloading i386 |
| 17:24.00 | Pollywog | unless I have to |
| 17:24.08 | Janos | hi there, anyone knows if there is a package in debian etch or lenny that has the HTML::RewriteAttribute perl module ? |
| 17:24.16 | JordiGH | FedererRoger: Eh? What about girls? |
| 17:24.22 | abrotman | JordiGH: drop it |
| 17:24.28 | FedererRoger | abrotman: im downloading i386 instead of amd64 as you said |
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| 17:24.51 | JordiGH | FedererRoger: I kinda like my 64bits, but it only seems relevant for number-crunching; otherwise, just vanity. |
| 17:24.59 | JordiGH | And headaches. I miss zsnes. :-( |
| 17:25.22 | FedererRoger | JordiGH: do you mean is faster? i have amd64 |
| 17:25.45 | JordiGH | FedererRoger: Nope, not faster. I get a bigger long double in C++, yay1 |
| 17:25.45 | JordiGH | ! |
| 17:26.02 | nvz | well as fun as it is to sit around on freenode, I'd rather save this entertainment for when I'm in class.. heh |
| 17:26.04 | FedererRoger | oh ok , i386 for me then :D |
| 17:26.11 | nvz | I'm gonna go get some other things done right now |
| 17:26.17 | nubbun | in lenny, what is the default modules.conf? I don't see it in a package. |
| 17:26.33 | abrotman | nubbun: it's empty by default |
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| 17:27.45 | FedererRoger | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd << is this testing? |
| 17:27.56 | abrotman | i already told you where |
| 17:28.09 | JordiGH | FedererRoger: No... that's stable. |
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| 17:29.04 | giwe | How do I make a tarball for a kernel headers of a customized kernel tree? |
| 17:29.34 | JordiGH | Any idea what the KDE control thing manager widget is called now in KDE 4.1? I'd rather not have to load a KDE session just to change a default. |
| 17:30.03 | cahoot | giwe: why not use make-kpkg? |
| 17:30.18 | giwe | cahoot: it is not a debian system |
| 17:30.40 | JordiGH | giwe: Then you're in the wrong channel. |
| 17:31.11 | abrotman | JordiGH: ask #debian-kde |
| 17:31.43 | FedererRoger | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 17:31.44 | FedererRoger | found it |
| 17:31.57 | qq- | [RUsh]: aptitude install xlockmore , maybe |
| 17:31.57 | JordiGH | FedererRoger: That's stable... |
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| 17:32.11 | FedererRoger | what on... |
| 17:32.29 | abrotman | why does he kkep ignore what i say |
| 17:32.31 | abrotman | qq-: that's gone |
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| 17:33.04 | giuppy | hi |
| 17:33.11 | abrotman | xlock is there in sid .. but it's gone from lenny and etch |
| 17:33.14 | giwe | cahoot: okay maybe I can use the make-kpkg. I just extract what matters and tar it. |
| 17:33.16 | adama | I'm having trouble playing a DVD. I installed libdvdcss2 and totem-xine and all that, and the menus work but when I play it it's just green blocks and gobbledygook. Running lenny |
| 17:33.23 | giuppy | guys.. how i can install pppoa3 on lenny? |
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| 17:33.40 | JordiGH | FedererRoger: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:33.56 | neurodamage | what's a good program for watching terminals? |
| 17:34.07 | giwe | cahoot: Can I point make-kpkg to an arbitrary point (where the kernel tree is) in the file system? |
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| 17:34.59 | giuppy | guys.. how i can install pppoa3 on lenny? i can't found it |
| 17:35.03 | JordiGH | neurodamage: watching terminals? |
| 17:35.39 | cahoot | giwe: no good answer - I tend to run it from the src tree |
| 17:36.00 | giwe | cahoot: me too. |
| 17:36.05 | giwe | cahoot: thanks. |
| 17:36.55 | icedtea | is the kernel 2.6.26-1-686 able to compile with nvidia's kernel module? |
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| 17:37.10 | icedtea | or is there a xen issue? |
| 17:37.44 | giuppy | guys.. how i can install pppoa3 on lenny? i can't found it |
| 17:38.05 | adama | icedtea: I don't know about xen but you can ask dpkg about nvidia_lenny |
| 17:38.27 | icedtea | I'm on testing |
| 17:38.31 | icedtea | !lenny |
| 17:38.31 | dpkg | lenny is, like, the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>. |
| 17:38.35 | chomwitt | i installed iceweasel but i cant run it from gnome menu,but only being root |
| 17:38.38 | icedtea | oh that is testing |
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| 17:38.45 | adama | I got nvidia drivers working on my lenny install with the nvidia_lenny_1 and nvidia_lenny_2 instructions |
| 17:39.01 | icedtea | !nvidia_lenny_1 |
| 17:39.01 | dpkg | i guess nvidia_lenny_1 is 1) add "deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list, replacing de with your country code 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers |
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| 17:39.38 | icedtea | !xen |
| 17:39.38 | dpkg | i guess xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, ask in #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 17:39.52 | JordiGH | !tell icedtea about selftell |
| 17:40.05 | icedtea | oh ty |
| 17:40.30 | abrotman | icedtea: msg the bot |
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| 17:41.37 | giuppy | guys.. how i can install pppoa3 on lenny? i can't found it |
| 17:41.54 | mral3x | how do i configure an existing kernel ? |
| 17:42.06 | nubbun | mrrx: sysctl |
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| 17:42.19 | nubbun | mral3x: sysctl |
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| 17:43.01 | wols_ | mral3x: configure in what way? |
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| 17:44.36 | mral3x | wols_: i want to enable ath support on my kernel |
| 17:44.46 | mral3x | it's a stock kernel from the netinstall |
| 17:45.05 | Bluewind | why does mounting a ntfs drive with umask=0000 only set the right to 555? |
| 17:45.14 | icedtea | is lenny for lennin, the great communist leader? ;) |
| 17:45.18 | geek | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.26 | nubbun | mral3x: /etc/modules, /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 17:45.28 | abrotman | !tell icedtea about toy story |
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| 17:45.34 | geek | no, they are all named after you story chars ;p |
| 17:45.40 | geek | *toy |
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| 17:48.44 | mral3x | nubbun: i dont't have the ath module |
| 17:49.15 | FedererRoger | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ FOUND IT!! |
| 17:49.16 | abrotman | in what? |
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| 17:50.06 | Jabka | anyone with libc6 earliar then 2.7-13 ? |
| 17:50.11 | mral3x | abrotman: looks like i'm still stuck with the kernel |
| 17:50.17 | abrotman | Jabka: anyone running etch |
| 17:50.56 | Jabka | i have a buggy connection could you please test http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=499684 ? |
| 17:50.59 | FedererRoger | im giong to run lenny |
| 17:51.08 | wols_ | mral3x: kernel version? |
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| 17:51.18 | abrotman | Jabka: works fine |
| 17:51.24 | mral3x | wols_: 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 17:51.27 | torr | when I connect from MacOSX then the 'keyboard indicator' doesn't respond. Is there a way to debug it? |
| 17:51.33 | Jabka | abrotman : what version and arch ? |
| 17:51.41 | abrotman | Jabka: the page works fine |
| 17:51.45 | abrotman | i'm on lenny |
| 17:51.50 | wols_ | mral3x: that one doesn't have this driver |
| 17:51.51 | Jabka | no , test the bug .. |
| 17:51.59 | wols_ | !tell mral3x about etchnhalf |
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| 17:52.10 | abrotman | uh .. no? |
| 17:52.10 | Jabka | to use dirname in etch |
| 17:52.29 | Jabka | abrotman this bug is responsible for sevral vnc bugs |
| 17:52.37 | mral3x | wols_: i |
| 17:52.45 | abrotman | possibly .. but i'm leaving :) |
| 17:52.46 | mral3x | wols_: i'm running lenny |
| 17:52.58 | wols_ | mral3x: you still run the wrong kernel. install alenny kernel then |
| 17:53.03 | Jabka | To test it just compile the code and run |
| 17:53.10 | FedererRoger | abrotman wha is the best layout for a desktop? partitions: /root /home /swap ?? |
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| 17:53.27 | abrotman | only you can decide |
| 17:53.30 | wols_ | !tell FedererRoger about best |
| 17:53.34 | mral3x | wols_: if you're refering to 2.6.26 ... i would but it has a problem on my laptop |
| 17:53.42 | mral3x | it crashes with absolutely no error |
| 17:53.50 | wols_ | mral3x: i don't care. 2.6.18 doesn'thave the driver you want |
| 17:53.59 | FedererRoger | abrotman what a good layout for a desktop? |
| 17:54.10 | wols_ | mral3x: so you can whine forever, ath5k will not load |
| 17:54.19 | wols_ | FedererRoger: not answerable |
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| 17:54.33 | FedererRoger | what do you use wols_? |
| 17:54.41 | wols_ | nothing |
| 17:54.41 | FedererRoger | i mean partition layout? |
| 17:54.53 | wols_ | there is not "good partition layout" |
| 17:55.07 | faileas | hmm, I'm thinking of using an old winmodem (specifically a lucent one) onto a box i'm getting next week, likely for user with asterix. Any idea if i'll have any issues with drivers? |
| 17:55.10 | FedererRoger | nothing? you dont have partitions? |
| 17:55.24 | JordiGH | FedererRoger: it might make sense to put /home in a different partition, but it doesn't really matter too much, and the defaults are ok. |
| 17:55.24 | wols_ | faileas: yes you will |
| 17:55.37 | JordiGH | FedererRoger: If it's a laptop, it might also make sense to encrypt the hard drive. |
| 17:56.16 | faileas | wols_: erf.. would i have better luck with getting a newer fax/voice modem or should i just not bother? |
| 17:56.29 | mral3x | how can i solve this ? linux-kbuild-2.6.22 but it is not installable |
| 17:56.38 | wols_ | you have better luck not getting a winmodem |
| 17:56.57 | faileas | i thought most modems were these days? |
| 17:57.12 | FedererRoger | nobody uses modems |
| 17:57.23 | Jabka | i do (use on e) |
| 17:57.27 | Jabka | *one |
| 17:57.48 | DanDare | i do use modem |
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| 17:57.58 | Jabka | HSF one it is really outdated but it works great |
| 17:57.59 | DanDare | for fax and voice system |
| 17:58.07 | adama | mral3x: install kernel 2.6.26 |
| 17:58.14 | faileas | FedererRoger: oh, i want to use it as a cheap interface between asterisk and a spare phone line... |
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| 17:58.55 | FedererRoger | i did that before, yeah its fine |
| 17:59.05 | mral3x | it does not working on my notebook |
| 17:59.10 | mral3x | *work |
| 17:59.25 | wols_ | I told you long ago waht to use |
| 17:59.35 | wols_ | mral3x: use etchnhalf |
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| 18:03.32 | mral3x | wols_: so i have to reinstall debian ? |
| 18:03.44 | wols_ | no |
| 18:05.11 | mral3x | wols_: then how ? ... cause i don't really get it |
| 18:05.28 | wols_ | you install the kernel |
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| 18:06.00 | wols_ | the etchnhalf kernel that is |
| 18:06.42 | mral3x | like downloading the iso and then extract the kernel from the image ? |
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| 18:07.09 | wols_ | no ISO |
| 18:07.23 | wols_ | you download a .deb and install it |
| 18:08.21 | jeffspeff | i'm wanting to start providing wireless internet... i'm looking for a management system that will handle the billing, and can automaticaly suspend accounts that are past due. any suggestions? |
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| 18:10.39 | slidesinger_lt | I am running lenny on a fujitsu p2040, which has a crusoe processor. This is not supported by Debian stock kernels so I will have to do custom. I have already successfully built and installed a working kernel, which is a well documented procedure. What I am looking for now is some doc's covering the best way to keep my shiny new kernel current with regard to security patches, etc. |
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| 18:11.37 | xoz_ | slidesinger_lt: are you sure crusoe does not work using the normal 386-based kernel? |
| 18:11.45 | slidesinger_lt | This does not seem to be well documented and/or I have not been able to find anything that covers this in any detail. |
| 18:11.49 | mral3x | wols_: i'm really confused with this etchnhalf thing ... where is that .deb you are talking about ? |
| 18:12.23 | xoz_ | slidesinger_lt: try it. there's no point of building your own kernel since crusoe behaves as 386 based kernel. |
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| 18:13.05 | xoz_ | i think there is only one option in the kernel specific for crusoe but not really significant from my experience. |
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| 18:14.16 | slidesinger_lt | xoz_: 686 tells me that this is a 586 kernel, and things like the wireless don't seem to work with the 486 kernel. Also, the longrun extensions do not seem to be compiled into the 486 kernel either. |
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| 18:15.45 | FedererRoger | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.45 | FedererRoger | (10:15:36 PM) vice-versa: why are you asking that here? |
| 18:15.46 | slidesinger_lt | xoz_: In addition, performance has improved significantly since I set processor=crusoe and compiled in the onboard chipset. |
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| 18:17.30 | eve | after the last upgrade of testing, my "lo" interface not works anymore from /etc/network/interfaces , anybody has the same problem ? |
| 18:17.32 | slidesinger_lt | xoz_: This may also be due to the fact that my kernel image is significantly smaller and this laptop caps out at 256MB RAM. |
| 18:17.38 | FedererRoger | any way? |
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| 18:18.17 | slidesinger_lt | Anyway, if anyone knows of any good docs covering the maintenance of custom kernels, I would surely like to find some. |
| 18:18.40 | wols_ | slidesinger_lt: it's irrelevant for wlan if it's a 486 kernel |
| 18:19.03 | wols_ | FedererRoger: yes, we call it "backup" |
| 18:19.07 | wols_ | slidesinger_lt: what wlan chip? |
| 18:19.17 | wols_ | !tell slidesinger_lt about kp |
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| 18:19.47 | drbair | has anyone successfully mounted a cifs volume in lenny with krb5i? I'm getting a kernel bug |
| 18:19.50 | FedererRoger | wols_: just it will take years to backup 5 terabytes |
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| 18:20.46 | wols_ | FedererRoger: if there is no backup the data is worthless |
| 18:20.49 | wols_ | so format over it |
| 18:21.12 | FedererRoger | wols_: so no way to tell the installer "dont touch /home" |
| 18:21.36 | wols_ | we already established the data is worthless |
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| 18:22.13 | stew | FedererRoger: the installer wont touch /home, just make sure not to format the partition containing /home |
| 18:22.27 | stew | FedererRoger: you should back it up, though, of course |
| 18:22.28 | icedtea | if remove the sticky bit from /usr/src will debian reset this"? |
| 18:22.42 | slidesinger_lt | wols_: atheros pcmcia on a yenta socket. |
| 18:22.43 | wols_ | !tell eve about doesn't work |
| 18:22.48 | stew | icedtea: no |
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| 18:23.07 | capiira_ | hi anyone know if there exist a master debian package that holds a default system together? that apt- autoremove feature is nagging me |
| 18:23.15 | wols_ | slidesinger_lt: iirc madwifi only works with pci |
| 18:23.22 | wols_ | slidesinger_lt: maybe ath5k works |
| 18:23.30 | FedererRoger | stew: doesnt matter if right now is installed with Ubuntu, ... then Debian installer will overwrite the system directories? |
| 18:23.34 | wols_ | capiira_: there is no such thing |
| 18:23.45 | wols_ | FedererRoger: is /home on its own partition? |
| 18:23.59 | capiira_ | thx |
| 18:23.59 | icedtea | stew: thanks |
| 18:24.06 | FedererRoger | wols_: no, its inside the 1st partition |
| 18:24.25 | wols_ | then it will be overwritten |
| 18:24.55 | FedererRoger | so stew was lying |
| 18:25.12 | wols_ | no he was not. you didn't describe your problem properly |
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| 18:25.25 | hoxu | FedererRoger, stew clearly mentioned "partition" |
| 18:25.31 | slidesinger_lt | wols_: it is working with yenta pcmcia at this very minute on my shiny new custom kernel. Just trying to find docs that will help keep this kernel up to date as far as security patches are concerned. I'm reading the docs you sent me now. |
| 18:25.39 | FedererRoger | i said 1st partition from the beggining: |
| 18:25.48 | FedererRoger | "i have my info /home in the primary partition, its infected with Ubuntu, now i want to install over it Debian, is there any way to keep the /home?" |
| 18:25.58 | faileas | ... |
| 18:26.03 | faileas | 'infected'? |
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| 18:26.11 | icedtea | hrm I added myself to the src group and I still can't write to this dir, wtf? |
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| 18:26.24 | hoxu | icedtea, groups are not active without logout & login |
| 18:26.28 | hoxu | icedtea, check `groups` |
| 18:26.39 | icedtea | ahh |
| 18:26.40 | icedtea | ty |
| 18:27.36 | qq- | FedererRoger: so you have an primary partition off 5 TB ? |
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| 18:28.27 | FedererRoger | 1 tera , but i have no space in total... :( to make a backup |
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| 18:28.57 | hejux | clear |
| 18:29.00 | hejux | i am here |
| 18:29.01 | flower | I want to make a backup of my root filesystem with dd. I this the right command? |
| 18:29.02 | flower | dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb |
| 18:29.05 | Posterdati | hi |
| 18:29.12 | flower | should I do it as root or user? |
| 18:29.34 | Posterdati | please I need help installing debian on compaq presario f700 I got no nvidia ethernet driver nor dvd reader working |
| 18:29.41 | qq- | [20:19:46 21.sep.2008 UTC+2] <FedererRoger> wols_: just it will take years to backup 5 terabytes |
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| 18:30.12 | flower | and does it matter if the partitions are not equal in size (but the one to copy is not full) |
| 18:30.14 | FedererRoger | since wols_ recommended full format |
| 18:30.23 | wols_ | flower: only root can do it |
| 18:30.43 | wols_ | Posterdati: what nvidia chipset and what kernel version? |
| 18:31.00 | shingouz | flower: the command is correct and most of the times you need to be root to do that. i miss the point in that kind of mackup though, dd does a bit to bit copy of the original so it wastes space |
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| 18:32.02 | flower | shingouz: it was recommend by someone, maybe cause I like it to be bootable? |
| 18:32.12 | flower | But I'm a noob on this area |
| 18:32.21 | flower | just bought a new extern hd |
| 18:32.36 | flower | and want to make a copy of the system I have now. |
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| 18:32.43 | wols_ | flower: makes no sense still |
| 18:32.48 | Posterdati | wols_: 2.6.18 (original amd 64 etch disks) and I don't know which vidia chipset is, lspci reports unknown device |
| 18:32.48 | wols_ | !backup |
| 18:32.49 | dpkg | hmm... backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression), or <lolcat1> |
| 18:33.01 | wols_ | !tell Posterdati about etchnhlaf |
| 18:33.03 | wols_ | !tell Posterdati about etchnhalf |
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| 18:33.07 | rsc__ | how do I make an architecture-independent DEB? My debs come out as *amd64.deb. |
| 18:33.08 | qq- | FedererRoger: why not resize this partition, before install debian ? |
| 18:33.40 | stew | i woldn't resize a partition that I didn't have a backup of |
| 18:34.27 | flower | wols_ I want to make a sort of clone of my system, so I can also boot it |
| 18:34.47 | Posterdati | wols_: should it work? |
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| 18:35.12 | FedererRoger | resize?? no thanks |
| 18:35.14 | wols_ | flower: you will have to reconfigure the bootloader or it won't work anyways. and is the external hdd exact same size as the internal |
| 18:35.17 | wols_ | ? |
| 18:35.23 | FedererRoger | im trying to get ride of gimpy Ubuntu |
| 18:35.26 | flower | wols_ no |
| 18:35.27 | eve | do all you* have the interface "lo" working in lenny ? |
| 18:35.31 | hoxu | !troll gong |
| 18:35.31 | dpkg | BONNGGGGG!! |
| 18:35.51 | wols_ | flower: than it's useless to use dd as you tried |
| 18:36.04 | stew | eve: practically everyone |
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| 18:36.12 | wols_ | eve: pastebin your interfaces file |
| 18:36.13 | icedtea | hrm. how do you download packages that are held back? just apt-get upgrade? |
| 18:36.21 | wols_ | !tell icedtea about held back |
| 18:36.52 | eve | wols_: iface lo inet loopback \n auto lo, like the one that i have used everytime, it has changed ? /etc/init.d/networking restart doesn't up it |
| 18:36.54 | flower | wols_ ok no dd, but what then? |
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| 18:36.58 | hoxu | !tell flower about tar partition copy |
| 18:37.18 | hoxu | flower, you probably want it in a tar file though, on another partition |
| 18:37.20 | wols_ | eve: check your logs |
| 18:37.24 | wols_ | eve: and what kernel? |
| 18:37.40 | eve | .25 kernel |
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| 18:37.55 | wols_ | eve: get a proper debian kernel |
| 18:37.55 | stew | eve: what happens if you run "ifup lo"? |
| 18:37.57 | flower | hoxu: but can i make it also bootable in that way? |
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| 18:38.19 | qq- | FedererRoger: just add a second disk , and install debian on it so you may use the both drive/OS |
| 18:38.20 | hoxu | flower, I think wols already said something about the bootloader |
| 18:38.27 | wols_ | flower: no. can your BIOS boot from USB or however the external hdd is atached? you will have to reinstall grub to it |
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| 18:40.44 | qq- | FedererRoger: a hard of 10 GB is enough for an desktop debian use |
| 18:40.47 | flower | wols_: yes it is attached by usb (2.5") how can I check if my bios can boot from usb? And what do you mean by reinstall the grub to it? |
| 18:41.17 | wols_ | flower: you read the manual to your mainboard/BIOS. and what I said: you need to (re)install grub to the external hdd |
| 18:41.22 | FedererRoger | qq im setting 100gb now |
| 18:41.40 | qq- | it's ok than |
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| 18:42.50 | flower | wols_: ok I'll check that. And then just copy it on the tar partition copy way and unpack it later on the extern hdd? |
| 18:42.51 | qq- | FedererRoger: but do a seperate partition for home/ on this one ... |
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| 18:42.56 | cusco | hi |
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| 18:43.10 | flower | wols_: and the install the grub to the external disk |
| 18:43.13 | cusco | im getting ide errors while installing |
| 18:43.33 | cusco | ide optcode unknown |
| 18:43.43 | lastpak | i seem to have f***ed-up my screen size in tty-* in the bootmenu it looks right though..wat's the handy tool for changing font size there? |
| 18:43.46 | slidesinger_lt | wols_: Those docs would be a bit dated for newbs, but still good. Thanks. |
| 18:44.08 | wols_ | cusco: more info about hardware needed |
| 18:44.16 | cusco | dma_intr; error 0x01 |
| 18:44.31 | cusco | its a laptop ide hard drive |
| 18:44.42 | |seb| | How make laptop touchpads work with a pencil rather than a finger? they seem to not like non-fingers?!?! |
| 18:44.58 | hoxu | |seb|, ask ##hardware? |
| 18:45.07 | cusco | after lots off errors/debug info in tty 1 it partitioned the disk |
| 18:45.12 | cusco | but debootstrap cannot continue |
| 18:45.41 | cusco | how can I know whats wrong withthe hd |
| 18:45.47 | wols_ | cusco: what is your host os under which your run debootstrap? |
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| 18:46.22 | cusco | debian installer lenny pre release |
| 18:46.45 | cusco | on it right now -ssh session open on tty 2 - |
| 18:46.46 | wols_ | cusco: why do you use debootstrap then? |
| 18:46.57 | cusco | debian installer uses it?? |
| 18:47.19 | cusco | lots of hda errors so Im guessing this HD is dead |
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| 18:47.43 | FedererRoger | no |
| 18:47.48 | FedererRoger | you can use it in windows |
| 18:48.13 | wols_ | cusco: most likrlx |
| 18:48.16 | wols_ | *likely |
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| 18:48.46 | eve | wols_: stew: ok, the problem is that i don't have the package "ifupdown" installed, looks like to work now :) |
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| 18:51.37 | flower | wols_: isn't rsync a good option for backup? |
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| 18:54.16 | |seb| | flower: i love rsync for backup...been using it for years |
| 18:54.53 | flower | |seb|: is there a good documentation or can you explain it to me? |
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| 18:56.01 | |seb| | flower: i just typed "rsync backup" on google and got a lot of links...it is pretty standard stuff |
| 18:56.12 | flower | k |
| 18:56.19 | |seb| | flower: not sure what you are confused about |
| 18:56.25 | |seb| | flower: is there something specific? |
| 18:56.59 | flower | |seb|: mmmh no I will read first thank |
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| 19:01.00 | jeffwheeler | I'm a newbie to cross-platform development, but I'm trying to create an ELF binary for PPC from an x86 Debian Sid machine. |
| 19:01.26 | jeffwheeler | On a Mac, I can use the '-arch' to target PPC with gcc, but it always creates a mach binary, not ELF. |
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| 19:01.54 | Jorophose | any guestimates on how long it'd take me to install debian lenny's xfce cd on a celeron 500mhz with 192MB of RAM? |
| 19:02.26 | wols_ | about a minute |
| 19:02.35 | jeffwheeler | On Debian, I can't seem to even get that close. gcc, of course, can only generate x86 binaries . . . which are . . . a.out? Some format I don't know about? |
| 19:03.15 | jeffwheeler | I think once I get the binary, I should be able to use qemu-ppc to run it. |
| 19:03.41 | wols_ | jeffwheeler: you need a crosscompiler |
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| 19:04.41 | jeffwheeler | wols_: Googling that seems to provide a lot of good info; thanks |
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| 19:05.03 | wols_ | jeffwheeler: you need to build your own gcc basically. that runs on x86 and spits out ppc code |
| 19:05.21 | Polizei | anyone give some help about changing the default (posix) locale in etch? |
| 19:05.27 | jeffwheeler | wols_: okay; and that should be able to create an ELF binary? |
| 19:05.27 | Jorophose | does users-admin still exist? has it been surpassed by something? |
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| 19:05.38 | Polizei | installed it yesterday and still have some troubles in configuring it :( |
| 19:05.43 | wols_ | jeffwheeler: binutils should |
| 19:05.52 | jeffwheeler | wols_: alright; appreciated |
| 19:05.56 | wols_ | Polizei: define "it" |
| 19:06.27 | Polizei | wols_, i mean how to set default locale env vars to en_US.UTF8 (or WHERE to set them) |
| 19:06.37 | wols_ | !locales |
| 19:06.37 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 19:07.19 | Polizei | yay... i've missed that step when installing it |
| 19:07.21 | Polizei | 10x :> |
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| 19:22.43 | mral3x | wols_: ok .. now i'm 2.6.24 and i get this ath5k phy0: failed to resume the MAC Chip |
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| 19:29.57 | craigevil | probably in 2.0 there was an option to turn that off or at least set it to us a downloaded file and not google, gotta protect all thos windows users |
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| 19:42.02 | lionel_ | how i can install kernel-source on my debian? |
| 19:42.29 | stew | lionel_: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 19:42.49 | simonrvn | zirek: iproute |
| 19:43.04 | simonrvn | upstream it's called iproute2 |
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| 19:52.28 | Ego-Ale-Sum | there's a strange thing in my server. there's an user with ip 127.0.0.1 that is continously appearing in my site. I see it in the session table, and he has this user agent: Apache (internal dummy connection) |
| 19:52.35 | Ego-Ale-Sum | what is this internal connection? |
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| 19:53.33 | kriebel | Ego-Ale-Sum, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=apache+internal+dummy+connection |
| 19:53.43 | simonrvn | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/apache-...-internal-dummy-connection-506054/ |
| 19:54.09 | simonrvn | !fgi Ego-Ale-Sum apache+internal+dummy+connection |
| 19:54.09 | dpkg | Ego-Ale-Sum: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=apache+internal+dummy+connection |
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| 19:54.44 | simonrvn | no excuse for that... |
| 19:54.59 | kriebel | wtf is this session table he mentions? |
| 19:55.08 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 19:55.10 | kriebel | I've run apache for years and years and have no idea what that it |
| 19:55.10 | Ego-Ale-Sum | it's a php script... |
| 19:55.20 | lionel_ | were is stock kernel source on debian? |
| 19:55.28 | Ego-Ale-Sum | btw, I thought it was something about it. but why this connection? |
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| 19:55.33 | Ego-Ale-Sum | I don't understand it |
| 19:55.39 | kriebel | Ego-Ale-Sum, read |
| 19:55.52 | simonrvn | lionel_: were? were what? |
| 19:56.00 | simonrvn | oh, where |
| 19:56.06 | kriebel | lionel_, whatever linux-image package you're using, replace "image" with "source" |
| 19:56.06 | Ego-Ale-Sum | read, but I don't understand it... I mean, why shoudl apache visit its own site? |
| 19:56.10 | simonrvn | debian doesn't ship vanilla source |
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| 19:56.38 | simonrvn | Ego-Ale-Sum: read the link i pasted. READ. UNDERSTAND. |
| 19:56.44 | kriebel | Ego-Ale-Sum, it's not "visiting". Those connections don't show up in the logs |
| 19:56.47 | kriebel | just your stupid php script |
| 19:56.52 | bunnyto | what is the name of the utility to install ATI or NVIDIA drivers? |
| 19:56.53 | kriebel | which I suggest you edit to remove those |
| 19:56.58 | lionel_ | i need to point de kernel-source for my nvidia video card |
| 19:57.03 | kriebel | bunnyto, your fingers |
| 19:57.29 | Ego-Ale-Sum | it IS visiting the site, otherwise the system wouldn't create a new session... |
| 19:57.37 | kriebel | lionel_, install linux-headers-2.6-{arch} and build-essential |
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| 19:57.42 | kriebel | and module-assistant |
| 19:57.46 | Benzi | how do I find out the c/h/s info for my CD drive? |
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| 19:58.06 | kriebel | Benzi, do CDs use CHS? I don't think they do |
| 19:58.08 | simonrvn | Ego-Ale-Sum: ohnoz |
| 19:58.18 | simonrvn | they don't |
| 19:58.22 | Benzi | yeah... |
| 19:58.25 | Ego-Ale-Sum | so how it is possible that it is executing the php script? |
| 19:58.25 | Benzi | well I'm a noob |
| 19:58.34 | Benzi | let me tell you exactly waht's going on |
| 19:58.42 | Benzi | well, I know there is no real CHS |
| 19:58.43 | kriebel | that would be a good way to start |
| 19:58.47 | simonrvn | sighs, and *plonks* |
| 19:58.50 | Benzi | but it's an IDE drive |
| 19:58.59 | Benzi | and I'm trying to get the BIOS to work with it |
| 19:59.04 | kriebel | also, why can't noobs start by reading books instead of learning IRC first and everything else never? |
| 19:59.11 | simonrvn | it's not an HARD DRIVE |
| 19:59.12 | Benzi | so I think I have to give the bios some fake CHS information |
| 19:59.22 | kriebel | no |
| 19:59.28 | Benzi | okay |
| 19:59.29 | Benzi | look |
| 19:59.34 | simonrvn | you have a fucked bios then if it's really asking that |
| 19:59.34 | kriebel | Benzi, BIOS treats hard drives and cd-roms differently |
| 19:59.40 | Benzi | look |
| 19:59.44 | Benzi | listen, guys |
| 19:59.54 | Benzi | I'm sorry I'm incompetent with this |
| 19:59.57 | Benzi | but don't flame me |
| 20:00.01 | Benzi | I tried my best |
| 20:00.01 | kriebel | select CD-ROM or AUTO from the list of device type for the channel |
| 20:00.05 | simonrvn | we're not |
| 20:00.05 | Benzi | I looked through my mobo manual |
| 20:00.17 | Ego-Ale-Sum | kriebel: I don't understand a thing... you are inside a help channel in IRC and you help people, but you ALWAYS complain if someone asks a question... I might be stupid, but I think your behaviour is quite silly, don't you? |
| 20:00.17 | Benzi | I tried everything I could try |
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| 20:00.24 | Benzi | I have two CD drives |
| 20:00.40 | Benzi | both IDE; plugging either one in at a time, it works |
| 20:00.50 | kriebel | Benzi, check the jumpers |
| 20:00.53 | Benzi | the BIOS's "automatic" setting makes the drive work |
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| 20:01.00 | Benzi | which jumpers |
| 20:01.05 | kriebel | you need to put them both on cable select, or one on master, one on slave |
| 20:01.13 | kriebel | they're near the ribbon connector on the back of the CD drive |
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| 20:01.22 | kriebel | little plastic things with metal inside |
| 20:01.29 | Benzi | ... |
| 20:01.37 | Benzi | the molex connector? |
| 20:01.41 | kriebel | Ego-Ale-Sum, this is the debian user's channel, not the how to use a PC channel |
| 20:01.51 | simonrvn | "the who?" :P |
| 20:01.52 | bunnyto | im going to try envyng to install ATI drivers |
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| 20:01.55 | simonrvn | laughs |
| 20:02.02 | Benzi | guys, please stop it |
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| 20:02.06 | kriebel | Benzi, no, there should be words in the plastic |
| 20:02.15 | simonrvn | dude, relax, i was kidding |
| 20:02.18 | kriebel | note, both of you: I'm still helping you |
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| 20:02.31 | kriebel | pardon my intermittant passive-agressiveism |
| 20:02.41 | Benzi | I'll pardon your spelling too |
| 20:02.47 | Benzi | the problem is |
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| 20:02.49 | simonrvn | heh |
| 20:02.56 | Benzi | when I plug them in master-slave, the BIOS can't automatically use them |
| 20:03.06 | kriebel | BIOS doesn't use CD-ROM drives |
| 20:03.13 | Benzi | ... |
| 20:03.14 | kriebel | detect? |
| 20:03.19 | Benzi | that's what I meant |
| 20:03.22 | kriebel | it doesn't detect them and list them in the setup screen? |
| 20:03.28 | Benzi | well |
| 20:03.32 | kriebel | try reversing master/slave |
| 20:03.37 | simonrvn | Benzi: put them on m/s, and set the bios to auto |
| 20:03.40 | kriebel | or use Cable Select |
| 20:03.40 | Ego-Ale-Sum | kriebel: bah... you linux users always think you are superior... however, you had to learn how to use linux as well, and you had the same questions as we have.. this is why I use OSX in my pc :) however, doesn't matter... |
| 20:03.42 | Benzi | it detects something, I think, but the name is some garble |
| 20:03.45 | wols_ | Benzi: BIOS problems are not debian problems. #hardware |
| 20:03.47 | Ego-Ale-Sum | I have to go bye |
| 20:03.49 | Benzi | and it doesn't work |
| 20:03.56 | Benzi | oh ,right, forgot what channel I was on |
| 20:04.03 | Benzi | sorry for that |
| 20:04.14 | Benzi | saw computer talk and interjected |
| 20:04.16 | kriebel | wtf? I didn't have an internet connection when I learned LInux |
| 20:04.21 | SamuraiDio | i had a problem with my mp3 player (Apple iPod Suffle 1st gen.) and now when i plug it, /dev/sdb is created, but not /dev/sdb1, and i can't access it y any way. how coud it fix that |
| 20:04.21 | kriebel | heh, it's OK Benzi |
| 20:04.26 | simonrvn | Benzi: ah named garbled? does it *always* garble them? |
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| 20:04.41 | Benzi | no, when either one is plugged in alone as master, it gets the names right |
| 20:05.13 | simonrvn | hm ok. some conflict... make sure the jumpers are set correctly. |
| 20:05.34 | simonrvn | might need to update one of the firmwares |
| 20:05.38 | kriebel | SamuraiDio, did you reset/flash your iPod lateley? |
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| 20:05.40 | simonrvn | (or both) |
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| 20:06.59 | SamuraiDio | kriebel, no, i was putting song into it with Amarok, and then the device freezed (i think i hav a prob on its flash, it happens sometimes) and i removed it, so now i can't access it anymore |
| 20:07.29 | kriebel | do you have Windows or Mac OS X handy to see if iTunes sees it? |
| 20:07.37 | kriebel | you might need to wipe it |
| 20:07.45 | kriebel | but I don't really know, I despise the things |
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| 20:08.19 | SamuraiDio | i have a windows machine to tet, but i can't access it atm |
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| 20:09.33 | SamuraiDio | kriebel, but any clue to fix an usb storage device that stops working would be wellcome. the main problem is to make the system recognizes it again, i can deal with other problems later |
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| 20:10.08 | kriebel | I'm not sure if it's just mass storage, or if there's fuse or something else going on |
| 20:10.14 | kriebel | so I can't really help you |
| 20:10.30 | kriebel | I just know I had to re-format my sister's iPod after I tried to use it in Linux |
| 20:10.52 | kriebel | you can look at what's in dmesg after plugging it in |
| 20:10.57 | kriebel | for clues of what's happening |
| 20:12.11 | SamuraiDio | ok, thanks |
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| 20:15.05 | sundar222in | Is debian good for a beginner in linux? |
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| 20:16.11 | callahad | sundar222in: It can be; what are you looking to do with it? |
| 20:16.14 | ptman | sundar222in: yes, it scales from beginner to pro |
| 20:17.17 | sundar222in | I want to learn linux in deep.. I thought about taking RHCE some point of time. |
| 20:17.23 | OpenTokix | RHCE? |
| 20:17.26 | OpenTokix | wtf. is? |
| 20:17.47 | callahad | OpenTokix: I imagine RHCE is similar to MSCE, but for RedHat |
| 20:18.07 | tview | how do I play a dvd in the dvd tray using full screen mplayer? |
| 20:18.08 | OpenTokix | callahad: good god |
| 20:18.21 | SamuraiDio | kriebel, i have run fsck on /dev/sdb and unplugged and pugged it again. now it's creating /dev/sdb1 fine :) |
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| 20:18.44 | callahad | sundar222in: If you're planning on taking the RHCE exams, you'll probably want a distribution based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux, like CentOS (centos.org) |
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| 20:20.26 | sundar222in | ok |
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| 20:21.24 | callahad | (That's not to say Debian isn't great, but it does have a rather significantly different way of doing quite a few things) |
| 20:21.26 | tview | Anyone? How can I right click on the DVD device and say "play with mplayer" - I dont like the GUI one. I like the fs one since I use it on my other monitor (tv) |
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| 20:22.42 | OpenTokix | sundar222in: if you start with debian and then have to use centos or rhel, you will only get pissed |
| 20:22.58 | DasYogi | howdy folks. can anyone help me with a dual boot question? |
| 20:23.07 | OpenTokix | DasYogi: Dont ask to ask |
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| 20:23.29 | DasYogi | well, trying not to interrupt any prior converasations thats all |
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| 20:23.40 | OpenTokix | DasYogi: don't worry with 900 ppl in the channel |
| 20:24.18 | DasYogi | thanks. I'm trying to dual boot debian. i already have xubuntu installed, how can i keep same home dir |
| 20:24.19 | DasYogi | ? |
| 20:24.49 | DasYogi | also, does my current grub sufice or does deb have to have its own |
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| 20:25.17 | icedtea | DasYogi: if you haven't already you could create a seperate partition for /home |
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| 20:25.52 | intx | hi |
| 20:25.56 | intx | what is i2c? do I need it? |
| 20:25.59 | icedtea | DasYogi: *but* I don't know if I advise that because desktop settings and what not are stored there |
| 20:26.01 | DasYogi | im sorry my current config is / 20gb /home 20gb free 19 gb |
| 20:26.17 | DasYogi | hm good point |
| 20:26.26 | DasYogi | what about grub? |
| 20:26.39 | kriebel | tview, maybe just try a workaround. make a launcher that just runs mplayer with the right args |
| 20:26.42 | icedtea | DasYogi: only one of them needs grub |
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| 20:26.46 | cafuego | then just tell the debian install to mount your existing /home on /home and don't format it. |
| 20:26.47 | kriebel | GNOME isn't the most customizable thing in the world |
| 20:26.51 | callahad | OpenTokix: I found CentOS to be surprisingly nice for a little bit of kernel hacking in a VM a few months ago. I wouldn't want to run it on a desktop, but it served its purpose quite well |
| 20:27.07 | DasYogi | great. thank you |
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| 20:27.26 | icedtea | DasYogi: but you do need to have both oses in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:27.47 | DasYogi | so i'm assuming I need to enter a line for the deb on my grub |
| 20:27.53 | cafuego | yep |
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| 20:28.13 | OpenTokix | callahad: it's complete crap back to front |
| 20:28.21 | DasYogi | wow, that sonds much easier than i thought |
| 20:28.24 | OpenTokix | callahad: if you do some testing, you think its ok - it installs etc. |
| 20:28.43 | OpenTokix | callahad: But then you realise everything is crap old, and you ahve five packages to choose from. |
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| 20:28.53 | DasYogi | thank you folks. have a good one |
| 20:29.10 | icedtea | np |
| 20:29.12 | OpenTokix | callahad: Yeah, I can see how you can have "Enterprise support" (ie RHEL) when you don't have to support anything. |
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| 20:30.52 | Agiofws | has anyone added images to google maps ? its simply JUST not working for me ... ? |
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| 20:31.42 | callahad | OpenTokix: I don't think we can really trot out the "crap old" argument given how long it took us to get Etch out the door ;) |
| 20:32.18 | kriebel | it is true that Debian has downsides in a corporate environment |
| 20:32.20 | cafuego | and atch isn't really what i'd call a cutting edge release either |
| 20:32.28 | kriebel | then again, Etch was usable before it was stable |
| 20:32.28 | OpenTokix | kriebel: I can't think of one |
| 20:32.45 | OpenTokix | callahad: CentOS is even older |
| 20:32.54 | cafuego | kriebel: No vendor to yell at. |
| 20:33.04 | OpenTokix | callahad: And if you look on the fedora side, Debian SID is more stable then Fedora |
| 20:33.17 | OpenTokix | callahad: Does yelling at vendors help, often? |
| 20:33.51 | cafuego | OpenTokix: I doubt it, but at the same time the people with redhat deployemnts rake in the dollars whilst i and my debian boxes scrape by. |
| 20:33.53 | callahad | OpenTokix: Vendor support is the biggest thing. Quite a few suits are afraid of things that don't have large companies backing them. It doesn't really help in terms of support, but it does help sell things. |
| 20:34.00 | kriebel | no, but asking for help from vendors usually gets you said help |
| 20:34.20 | Posterdati | please help, I got two debian lenny with same repository... But I can install nvidia sources only on one pc, the other won't lists nvidia sources in apt repositories |
| 20:34.28 | OpenTokix | callahad: I deliver 30 billion webpages a month from my debianboxes =) |
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| 20:34.32 | callahad | kriebel: With *some* vendors :) /me curses IBM |
| 20:34.53 | kriebel | aren't the nVidia drivers not in Lenny? |
| 20:34.58 | kriebel | or did they finally go back in |
| 20:34.59 | kriebel | ? |
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| 20:35.05 | OpenTokix | kriebel: no, not yet - its a hazzle |
| 20:35.13 | simonrvn | hassle |
| 20:35.19 | kriebel | I like hazzle |
| 20:35.31 | OpenTokix | simonrvn: hazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzlezzzz |
| 20:35.48 | cafuego | screams a bit |
| 20:35.54 | simonrvn | hazzles kriebel and OpenTokix and they get nasty tire marks as a result |
| 20:36.03 | OpenTokix | simonrvn: hehe |
| 20:36.07 | kriebel | ok... |
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| 20:36.24 | simonrvn | didn't make any more sense to me |
| 20:36.34 | kriebel | Posterdati, I think the "thing to do" for now is to change your repo to sid and install just nvidia stuff then quick change it back |
| 20:36.36 | kriebel | or... |
| 20:36.50 | kriebel | add sid repos and set your apt policy to lenny by default |
| 20:36.51 | OpenTokix | callahad: My friend put it nicely. "The more you use Debian, the less patient you have with people running suse/rh/gentoo etc." |
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| 20:37.14 | kriebel | the more you run Debian, the less you have any clue why people even work on Red Hat |
| 20:37.19 | Posterdati | kriebel: ok |
| 20:37.23 | OpenTokix | kriebel: amen |
| 20:37.38 | kriebel | also, rofl that RPM is abandonware |
| 20:37.41 | doudou | I read wiki and did not understood about iceweasel, is it a separate branch of firefox? or is it only a renamed firefox? |
| 20:38.01 | OpenTokix | doudou: renamed |
| 20:38.26 | simonrvn | not just renamed |
| 20:38.30 | stew | doudou: its more than just renamed, but not by very much |
| 20:38.32 | simonrvn | !iceweasel |
| 20:38.32 | dpkg | iceweasel is probably the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 20:38.50 | callahad | OpenTokix: Luckily, I don't have to deal with other linux distros at work. Instead, I get to deal with Windows. (I hear our production boxes are running SuSE, but I don't get to touch them). ...I need to find a new job |
| 20:38.59 | doudou | without proprietary code? so iceweasel is 3.0 too? |
| 20:39.08 | kriebel | yes |
| 20:39.15 | stew | doudou: what do you mean by "proprietary code"? |
| 20:39.32 | kriebel | actually, the deal is just with calling it "Firefox", and a little to do with the logo |
| 20:39.41 | cafuego | doudou: the code is not the poblem, the trademark is. |
| 20:39.42 | kriebel | but Debian does patch the code a wee bit |
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| 20:39.56 | doudou | i read that firefox put some propretary code about anti-phising and something? |
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| 20:40.14 | kriebel | I hope they also backport bugfixes since Iceweasel has been a few point releases behind |
| 20:40.49 | stew | kriebel: yes, and the fact that debian backports bugfixes is part of the "problem". mozilla didn't want debian to do that and still use the firefox trademark |
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| 20:41.50 | kriebel | proof that ESR is a douche and that woman with the mohawk doesn't know what "Open Source" is for |
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| 20:42.42 | doudou | only problem is name and logo? i read something that you cannot compile firefox yourself in a way to change version? i read something about gnu iceweasel, all this is very confusing, and not so clearly explain in wikipedia |
| 20:43.13 | OpenTokix | callahad: my job is some suse (that I will change to debian rolling over the year). No otheer OS. Only linux, only OSS |
| 20:43.29 | kriebel | doudou, gnu iceweasel is not the same as the Debian one |
| 20:43.35 | craigevil | !whyiceweasel |
| 20:43.35 | kriebel | GNU is even more nit-picky |
| 20:43.37 | callahad | OpenTokix: Hiring? ;) |
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| 20:43.45 | stew | doudou: no, the only problem is not the name and the logo. you can do whatever you want when you compile firefox yourself, redistributing it is the problem. gnu iceweasel has nothing to do with debian's iceweasel, they are just an unfortunate naming conflict |
| 20:43.47 | dread | has anyone installed awesome 3 from experimental? If so how has it been working |
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| 20:43.55 | bunnyto | how to install flash? |
| 20:43.57 | OpenTokix | callahad: callahad if you live in sweden and are a dev. - maybe - hehe |
| 20:44.05 | doudou | kriebel, i understood something like that, but all is only confusing |
| 20:44.17 | kriebel | the wikipedia article is actually quite good |
| 20:44.23 | kriebel | the issue is stupid, really |
| 20:44.25 | kriebel | that's the problem |
| 20:44.32 | OpenTokix | callahad: Have to go, ttyl |
| 20:44.43 | callahad | OpenTokix: Have a good day |
| 20:44.44 | kriebel | is that proper grammar in any language? |
| 20:45.10 | TonyRad | Got a small problem... I recently rebuilt my linux box but I can't get KDE working.. I installed x-window-system and kde but I still can't seem to get it to run.. any thoughts? |
| 20:45.16 | kriebel | bunnyto, add non-free to your sources.list and install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:45.28 | craigevil | doudou: iceweasel is 3.0.1 > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008071618 Iceweasel/3.0.1 (Debian-3.0.1-1) |
| 20:45.30 | callahad | TonyRad: What part breaks? |
| 20:45.36 | bunnyto | kriebel: oki |
| 20:45.44 | bunnyto | kriebel: that install java aswell? |
| 20:45.46 | stew | TonyRad: try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org", or be more specific about what is going wrong |
| 20:45.48 | TonyRad | Well, it doesn't even load |
| 20:45.52 | JordiGH | bunnyto: Or you could try swfdec, which works surprisingly well (but not perfectly). |
| 20:45.53 | kriebel | bunnyto, no, why would it? |
| 20:45.55 | stew | TonyRad: do you get an error? |
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| 20:46.14 | kriebel | bunnyto, but you can install sun java as well from non-free |
| 20:46.22 | TonyRad | I don't get any errors |
| 20:46.24 | bunnyto | kriebel: good, thats what i meant |
| 20:46.26 | kriebel | also, wtf does anyone need Java for these days |
| 20:46.30 | JordiGH | Java is available with the openjdk packages, which as far as I can tell do work flawlessly. |
| 20:46.31 | callahad | TonyRad: Are you using KDM? (Do you get a login screen?) |
| 20:46.39 | bunnyto | kriebel: eclipse |
| 20:46.40 | JordiGH | kriebel: Processing! |
| 20:46.45 | TonyRad | I don't get to a login screen |
| 20:46.49 | doudou | thanks, seems clearer, maybe you need to write this clearly in wikipedia, and wonder when you write in english that non-english readers may easily be confused |
| 20:46.50 | bunnyto | kriebel: virtualbox |
| 20:46.54 | kriebel | TonyRad, run startx |
| 20:46.55 | JordiGH | Processing is a pretty nice application of Java, and 100% free now with OpenJDK. |
| 20:47.03 | TonyRad | And I can't get to tty7 |
| 20:47.19 | stew | TonyRad: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:48.05 | bunnyto | what does processing? |
| 20:48.21 | TonyRad | feels dumb. Startx did it.... |
| 20:48.54 | kriebel | TonyRad, if you install xdm or gdm or kdm (you probably want kdm) you'll get a long screen on bootup |
| 20:48.58 | callahad | kriebel: We need Java for the JVM -- all sorts of fun stuff over there (Scala, Clojure, etc) |
| 20:49.05 | JordiGH | bunnyto: processing.org, it's Java-based. |
| 20:49.09 | kriebel | but a display manager isn't lumped in with everything |
| 20:49.51 | stew | kriebel: yes it is |
| 20:50.16 | kriebel | depends what metapackage is installed, no? |
| 20:50.21 | kriebel | also, it doesn't start automatically |
| 20:50.23 | stew | kriebel: yes |
| 20:50.25 | stew | kriebel: yes it does |
| 20:50.56 | stew | i was assuming that when he said he installed kde he installed the kde metapackage in which it does get lumped in with everything |
| 20:51.29 | TonyRad | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.42 | doudou | another question, can we say that debian is more "free" than ubuntu ? is there more close to "free" than debian? |
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| 20:53.31 | kriebel | doudou, http://www.gnewsense.org/index.php?n=FAQ.FAQ |
| 20:53.42 | kriebel | keep in mind, the views of the FSF aren't shared by all |
| 20:53.59 | kriebel | but most people here will thing they are a "good thing" overall |
| 20:54.15 | kriebel | also, the point of GLX not being free is hopefully moot |
| 20:54.16 | nginx | generally everithing is free unless you have payed for it |
| 20:54.19 | JordiGH | doudou: Debian seems to be more committed to software freedom than Ubuntu, but it still ships non-free software just like Ubuntu does. |
| 20:54.32 | kriebel | SGI, finally going out of business, has loosened up the license on that |
| 20:54.46 | nginx | but then comes the time some ppl with black suites come to your house and kick your butt unless you sorry :> |
| 20:55.10 | stew | nginx: not by the working definition of free for this channel |
| 20:55.25 | kriebel | nginx, that isn't really mature or helpful. But you do bring up an alternative view |
| 20:56.04 | stew | kriebel: is calling ESR a douche mature and helpful? |
| 20:56.09 | nginx | i will never get to pay for something that would be dirt cheep if it wasnt run by propagatory blablabla (dont remember the whole part) |
| 20:56.11 | kriebel | yes |
| 20:56.13 | nginx | but i may donate for it |
| 20:56.14 | kriebel | because he is |
| 20:56.17 | stew | kriebel: no, it isn't |
| 20:56.26 | kriebel | hehe |
| 20:56.47 | JordiGH | esr actually does Wesnoth development, so in that regard he's fine in my books. |
| 20:56.52 | kriebel | takes it, since he ditched it |
| 20:57.25 | kriebel | er, dished it |
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| 21:00.18 | kriebel | I'm not happy with the FSF's assesment of Debian, since the base install doesn't include anything non-free |
| 21:00.27 | doudou | if i want a free browser and a free search engine, what projects should i follow? |
| 21:00.39 | Posterdati | kriebel: not working too, it complains about nvidia driver |
| 21:00.42 | kriebel | and you have to actively try to get non-free stuff onto your system |
| 21:01.07 | dmoerner_ | part of it stems from disagreement over the free status of the gfdl |
| 21:01.13 | kriebel | Posterdati, clarify "not working: and "complains" |
| 21:01.26 | kriebel | heh |
| 21:01.34 | kriebel | docs is actually a really old problem |
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| 21:01.39 | kriebel | and why GNU uses info |
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| 21:02.06 | TonyRad | Soo.. apparently I'm banned from this chan but I'm not? |
| 21:02.07 | Posterdati | kriebel: I installed nvidia binary drivers for my kernel 2.6.26-1 amd 64 changed xorg.conf to load nvidia driver, but I got:(EE) No devices detected. |
| 21:02.23 | kriebel | Posterdati, did you modprobe nvidia? |
| 21:02.29 | Posterdati | kriebel: yes |
| 21:02.29 | kriebel | Posterdati, did you install nvidia-glx? |
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| 21:02.45 | Posterdati | kriebel: not nvidia-glx |
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| 21:02.49 | TonyRad | I can sign on here but if I use my other computer I'm told that I'm banned from here? |
| 21:02.51 | kriebel | install that |
| 21:03.00 | kriebel | and re-install it every time you change kernel version |
| 21:03.08 | Posterdati | kriebel: done |
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| 21:03.17 | Posterdati | kriebel: same problem |
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| 21:03.33 | stew | dmoerner_: no, this predates the gfdl |
| 21:03.33 | kriebel | then I'm out of ideas |
| 21:03.46 | Posterdati | kriebel: nvidia 7000 |
| 21:03.58 | kriebel | card doesn't really matter |
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| 21:04.05 | Posterdati | kriebel: 00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7000M (rev a2) (rev a2) |
| 21:04.06 | stew | TonyRad: can you /msg me from the irc session that gives you trouble joining? |
| 21:04.25 | TonyRad | Will do.. just a sec |
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| 21:04.58 | Uranellus | hello, is there a possibility to predefine the answers for dpkg-reconfigure locales? I need to do that (at best automatically) on 70 machines |
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| 21:05.31 | dondelelcaro | Uranellus: yes, using preseeding or similar. |
| 21:05.58 | dondelelcaro | Uranellus: you can also answer it on one machine, and import the database to the others, or similar |
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| 21:06.40 | dondelelcaro | Uranellus: man 7 debconf; for details (see dpkg-preconfigure, debconf-devel, etc.) |
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| 21:07.39 | Uranellus | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
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| 21:10.06 | JordiGH | Remind me how to pipe both stdout and stderr to a file? |
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| 21:10.23 | flower | do you use rsync as root or user? |
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| 21:11.28 | Posterdati | kriebel: no way |
| 21:11.34 | tonyrad | Hey.. This is much better |
| 21:11.53 | maligor | JohnDoh, >& perhaps? not really sure about it tho |
| 21:11.58 | maligor | ngh, JordiGH |
| 21:12.41 | maligor | mm, both >& and &> work |
| 21:14.35 | maligor | JordiGH, man bash: ls > dirlist 2>&1 |
| 21:14.54 | JordiGH | maligor: I think &> does it, from the actual bash manual, not the info page. |
| 21:14.58 | JordiGH | Er, not the manpage. |
| 21:15.10 | maligor | heh |
| 21:15.31 | maligor | the other is old form I think |
| 21:16.43 | SPF | what was the name of the package that contains all dev c++ libs? |
| 21:16.59 | Zharf | libstdc++-dev something? |
| 21:17.17 | SPF | well, all the tools needed or something |
| 21:17.28 | Zharf | build-essential? |
| 21:17.31 | SPF | yes! |
| 21:18.04 | SPF | hmm, I already have it installed and gcc cannot find iostream :( |
| 21:18.12 | Zharf | use g++ |
| 21:18.14 | JordiGH | Argh, now what I want to do is append both stderr and stdout to file. |
| 21:18.20 | SPF | same with g++ |
| 21:18.28 | Zharf | SPF, oh? interesting.. |
| 21:18.35 | SPF | tried iostream, iostream.h, sys/iostream |
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| 21:20.35 | agoodNando | Hello. I'm here (in tty using the good irssi) installing xorg and I don't know what are those {a} in packages when using aptitude. Any quickly explanation would be appreciated :) |
| 21:21.12 | stew | agoodNando: packages which are marked as being 'automatically installed' in order to satisfy dependencies, which can be removed when no longer needed to satisfy dependencies |
| 21:21.31 | JordiGH | SPF: It should be #include <iostream>. Which should be in /usr/local/include/c++$gccversion/iostream |
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| 21:21.55 | stew | JordiGH: /usr/local? |
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| 21:22.06 | JordiGH | Er, /usr/include |
| 21:22.11 | agoodNando | stew: Hmm. I used without-recommends option. It'll install those packages (drivers) anyway ? |
| 21:22.12 | JordiGH | Damn FreeBSD is messing up my pathnames in my head. |
| 21:22.51 | stew | agoodNando: yes, this isn't limited to Recommends: but also includes packages installed as strict dependencies |
| 21:23.04 | stew | JordiGH: i hope you've learned your lesson |
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| 21:23.12 | agoodNando | stew: OK. Thanks very much for your time :) |
| 21:23.24 | JordiGH | stew: I don't think I have, what lesson would that be? |
| 21:23.49 | flower | I want to backup my home folder with tar ... can I set something so that it will backup it this way in a certain time scheme? For example every day? |
| 21:23.50 | stew | JordiGH: something about freebsd |
| 21:23.53 | stew | agoodNando: you're welcome |
| 21:23.59 | agoodNando | :) |
| 21:24.14 | SPF | JordiGH: somehow it works now, I think I made a typing error :/ |
| 21:24.16 | JordiGH | stew: I have to use it at work. The sysadmin at work doesn't like Debian. |
| 21:24.49 | stew | flower: yes, there is 'cron'. have a look at "man 1 crontab" and "man 5 crontab" and maybe "man cron" |
| 21:24.56 | streuner | he is an idiot |
| 21:25.31 | JordiGH | streuner: Eh, BSD people are weird, but tolerable. At least I'm not forced to use Windows. |
| 21:25.43 | JordiGH | streuner: And he respects my religious beliefs: I can code in Emacs. |
| 21:26.23 | stew | M-x hallelujah |
| 21:26.32 | mmlj4 | emacs-- # one of the world's most bloated operating systems |
| 21:26.58 | stew | it runs well as a guest os in debian |
| 21:27.02 | JordiGH | stew: Amen, brotha. |
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| 21:28.32 | bunnyto | wow, debian is like .... ubuntu... |
| 21:28.43 | dudeman | yeh.. its all software |
| 21:28.55 | JordiGH | My god. It's full of code. |
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| 21:30.24 | bunnyto | yeah, looks like Debian is a full copy of Ubuntu.. but with full root access |
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| 21:30.42 | LamerC | Hello. I'm doing an update of Debian 4, but the package manager says that it can't authenicate the updates. Why is that and is that a problem? |
| 21:31.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Which repositories? |
| 21:31.06 | ceil420 | bunnyto, ubuntu is based on debian |
| 21:31.13 | dudeman | ceil420, he is trolling. |
| 21:31.18 | ceil420 | oh |
| 21:31.18 | djimujs | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/2199735/ |
| 21:31.22 | ceil420 | resumes idling |
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| 21:31.34 | LamerC | http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/l |
| 21:31.34 | tomaw | wins |
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| 21:31.48 | JordiGH | bunnyto: Well, Ubuntu changes a lot of defaults in ways I don't like, has in some instances a very different package hierarchy, and I really don't feel at home with their community. Plus, I do likes my vrms. |
| 21:31.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | If you can't authenticate security.debian.org, something might be wrong |
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| 21:32.15 | dudeman | !etch key |
| 21:32.15 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update |
| 21:32.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | But I'm no expert - abrotman however (sorry for the namedrop) seems to be, ask him :P |
| 21:32.22 | abrotman | JordiGH: go discuss it in #ubuntu |
| 21:32.31 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: i've been back all of five minutes ... |
| 21:32.34 | stew | tomaw: yeah? should I still be reporting those to #pennergame? it seems like this same account (2199735) keeps coming back even after I've reported it to them |
| 21:32.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | ah, ok |
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| 21:32.52 | tomaw | stew: I'll report it now |
| 21:32.57 | bunnyto | yeah, i love Debian... i fell like ... after Sex Prison... using Ubuntu... |
| 21:33.33 | stew | tomaw: thanks |
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| 21:34.06 | bunnyto | i cant find the adobe flash package |
| 21:34.18 | dudeman | bunnyto, /msg dpkg dmm |
| 21:34.23 | abrotman | is flash going to volatile? |
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| 21:34.34 | streuner | why? |
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| 21:34.38 | streuner | its non-free |
| 21:34.44 | dudeman | it is? |
| 21:34.47 | streuner | oh, etch... |
| 21:34.49 | LamerC | apt-get install debian--archive-keyring - Already at latest |
| 21:35.15 | LamerC | apt-key update: number processed: 4, unchanged: 4 |
| 21:35.24 | streuner | dudeman: we threw that package out of etch... |
| 21:35.27 | stew | LamerC: show us the entire output of the command that is giving you problems |
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| 21:35.33 | dudeman | streuner, i figured |
| 21:35.40 | streuner | because of security reasons... |
| 21:35.45 | dudeman | streuner, im pretty sure marillat has them |
| 21:35.45 | streuner | ok |
| 21:37.10 | LamerC | When I use Synaptic to try to update packages such as linux image, etc, I get: Warning: you are about to install software that can't be authenticated. Doing this could cause a malicious individual to damage or take control of your system. |
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| 21:38.02 | mral3x | how do i open the kdm manager from terminal ? |
| 21:38.09 | tomaw | stew: banned |
| 21:38.13 | dudeman | mral3x, /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 21:38.19 | dudeman | mral3x, as root |
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| 21:38.50 | mral3x | no ... not that .. kdmtheme |
| 21:38.57 | mral3x | the kdm theme manager |
| 21:39.03 | mral3x | my mistake |
| 21:39.07 | dudeman | there is a kdm theme manager? |
| 21:39.27 | mral3x | yes there is |
| 21:39.28 | LamerC | so I don't know if I should apply the updates. They are coming from security.debian.org but can't be authenticated. |
| 21:39.39 | dudeman | mral3x, hang on |
| 21:39.46 | mral3x | dudeman: ok |
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| 21:40.04 | dudeman | mral3x, you can't |
| 21:40.30 | dudeman | mral3x, the package does not provide any binaries, and only plugins for kcontrol as far as I can tell |
| 21:40.42 | mral3x | dudeman: then can i open that system settings from a terminal ? |
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| 21:41.06 | dudeman | mral3x, cat /usr/share/applications/kde/kdmtheme.desktop |
| 21:41.15 | dudeman | mral3x, Exec=kcmshell kdmtheme |
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| 21:41.24 | rabidsnail | Has anybody here tried using pdnsd with nss-mdns? |
| 21:41.25 | dudeman | I think maybe that is how you can launch it, I don't know, ask in #kde |
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| 21:42.42 | mral3x | dudeman: it worked ... thanks a lot |
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| 21:43.17 | rabidsnail | pdnsd is supposed to use nss to to name resolution but for some reason, even though nss-mdns seems to be working, it's not resolving any .local domains. |
| 21:43.38 | dudeman | mral3x, I have a frozen tab in iceweasel for /usr/share/doc and also learn to use dpkg -L pkgname (lists all files in a package) |
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| 21:43.46 | LamerC | I got solved I had to reload package information from withing synaptic. Is there a way to do this from the command line as well? |
| 21:44.00 | dudeman | LamerC, aptitude update |
| 21:44.10 | dudeman | if I think thats what you're asking |
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| 21:45.53 | LamerC | Yes that's it. I could'nt find it in the man page because it seems to be a little messed up or showing control characters: \fBupdate\fR, etc |
| 21:46.18 | dudeman | maybe its something to do with console-data I have no idea how to fix that |
| 21:47.01 | KnuckOne | what manpage LamerC ? |
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| 21:47.25 | LamerC | aptitude |
| 21:47.33 | dudeman | just that or all manpages |
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| 21:48.16 | LamerC | That's the firsts I've seen like it. |
| 21:48.32 | LamerC | Everything seems fine up until Command Line Actions |
| 21:48.48 | LamerC | It's still readable but full of extra characters |
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| 21:48.59 | dudeman | whats your debian pager? |
| 21:49.02 | dudeman | default* |
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| 21:49.35 | LamerC | man is using less |
| 21:49.36 | stew | LamerC: yes, that bug in the aptitude manpage has since been fixed, but the fix wasn't until after etch releeased, so etch doesn't have the fix |
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| 21:50.45 | LamerC | okay thanks |
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| 21:57.35 | ceil420 | don't suppose anyone can tell me how to find out why debian keeps locking up so i can stop it? ;x |
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| 21:58.16 | JordiGH | ceil420: I'm getting an irresponsive X with Compiz. |
| 21:58.25 | JordiGH | ceil420: In lenny. |
| 21:58.28 | ceil420 | i don't use compiz |
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| 21:59.18 | JordiGH | ceil420: And how bad is the lockup? Mine only locks up the display and the input, but I can still ssh into the machine and if there is music or Wengophone, they keep on working normally. |
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| 22:00.03 | ceil420 | locks up display and input (i can't even turn off numlock). i don't have a way to ssh. audio/video feedback stops, as does xchat |
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| 22:00.50 | ceil420 | conky stops updating, too; and i once had a screensaver up when it happened (it froze) |
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| 22:01.07 | moodhugs | hello. i'm having problems booting into debian, maybe it's not possible to boot with my setup? i installed it to /dev/hdc3 the install worked, i can access the files from linux booted from cd but under no circumstances will it boot from the hard disk |
| 22:01.21 | moodhugs | is it possible to make it boot? |
| 22:01.27 | JordiGH | ceil420: Yeah, no clue then. I don't have a clue for mine either. |
| 22:01.37 | ceil420 | :( |
| 22:01.47 | ceil420 | what's your video card? |
| 22:02.02 | JordiGH | ceil420: intel. |
| 22:02.07 | ceil420 | hrm. ati here |
| 22:02.50 | JordiGH | I should try sshing into next time and seeing if there's a running process. |
| 22:05.07 | moodhugs | any ideas why i can't boot from /dev/hdc3? or how to? i tried grub and lilo, both give errors while trying to boot. i tried super grub disk, it can't read from (hd1) in any attempt, but linux from cd reads it fine. :( any ideas? |
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| 22:07.02 | intx | what are the uid/gid 30000 to 59999 reserved for? can I use one? |
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| 22:07.06 | JordiGH | moodhugs: What errors? Are you telling grub to go look in the right place for the ramdisk? |
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| 22:08.22 | prolix | for the freezing people, have you checked /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog ? |
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| 22:09.51 | moodhugs | JordiGH: : grub was setup by the installer. |
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| 22:10.02 | ceil420 | ffs |
| 22:10.09 | qq- | moodhugs: /dev/hdc is present in cat /boot/grub/device.map ? |
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| 22:10.25 | ceil420 | hideous 1024x768 res because xorg is hating me ;x |
| 22:10.30 | ceil420 | shit better not crash |
| 22:10.45 | Jadrael | I am from venezuela |
| 22:11.13 | Jadrael | i need some of help in orden to do a live cd of my debian system installed |
| 22:11.15 | moodhugs | i don't know. is there any way to access a linux partition from windows? |
| 22:11.47 | Madd_Matt | moodhugs, depending on the filesystem, it is doable. |
| 22:11.50 | nginx | moodhugs, google -> ext2 ifs driver |
| 22:11.53 | Jadrael | i am loocking for many hour in google and many pages but im still finf not a answer |
| 22:12.15 | Jadrael | can somebody give a orientation |
| 22:12.19 | Jadrael | ? |
| 22:12.22 | nginx | i saw drivers for ext2 (works with ext3 too) and reiser |
| 22:12.41 | abrotman | !es |
| 22:12.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 22:15.51 | intx | what are the uid/gid 30000 to 59999 reserved for? can I use one? |
| 22:16.56 | JordiGH | intx: I think they're reserved for you, whatever you want to do with them. Debian won't touch them. |
| 22:17.18 | intx | that's exactly what I want :) |
| 22:17.39 | intx | cool, thanks |
| 22:19.51 | moodhugs | ummm maybe i have to reboot to make the ext2 ifs driver to work. i'll be back |
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| 22:21.31 | torr | anyone knows gnome here? |
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| 22:21.55 | abrotman | ask your real question |
| 22:22.01 | torr | and knows what can cause 'keyboard indicatior' to get stuck? |
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| 22:22.24 | abrotman | what is the keyboard indicator? |
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| 22:23.18 | seabasst` | I've just installed debian for the first time and after the initial boot it asks for a username and login, but I can't recall ever providing the install with that information |
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| 22:23.26 | ceil420 | shit's getting annoying ;x |
| 22:23.28 | seabasst` | anyone know what the default values are? |
| 22:23.31 | torr | abrotman, it is the thing that let you change language for the keyboard |
| 22:23.40 | streuner | seabasst`: there arent any, just reinstall |
| 22:24.24 | seabasst` | wow, is that the only way around it, takes so long |
| 22:24.47 | stew | seabasst`: it asked you for a root password, do you not remember providing one? |
| 22:24.48 | streuner | not really, you partition the HD, you did the most work already... |
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| 22:25.05 | seabasst` | it never did ask for a root password |
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| 22:25.14 | abrotman | did you install debian? |
| 22:25.18 | seabasst` | yes |
| 22:25.28 | seabasst` | abrotman: yes |
| 22:25.30 | seabasst` | sorry |
| 22:25.31 | ceil420 | seabasst`, i installed debian in expert mode, and it asked me for root pass and first user |
| 22:25.40 | ceil420 | i'm pretty sure the newbie installers wouldn't leave that out |
| 22:25.48 | seabasst` | yeah i suppose not, |
| 22:25.57 | moodhugs | device.map is empty. what's that mean? |
| 22:25.58 | Madd_Matt | I'm sure the debian installer asks for a root password. |
| 22:26.08 | seabasst` | i guess i'll try reinstalling |
| 22:26.10 | stew | seabasst`: /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 22:26.22 | JordiGH | ceil420: In expert mode, you have a choice to set or not a root password. |
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| 22:26.35 | abrotman | torr: never heard of it .. never tried to change my language |
| 22:26.46 | JordiGH | ceil420: There's a quite explicit option somewhere for a rootless setup. |
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| 22:27.11 | ceil420 | the point is, it does ask |
| 22:27.39 | torr | abrotman, ok |
| 22:27.47 | seabasst` | I don't remember getting prompted for any of those settings, I'm not new to linux, just to debian |
| 22:28.20 | abrotman | torr: maybe ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 22:28.23 | JordiGH | seabasst`: That's decidedly bizarre. Are you using the lenny installer or just have poor memory? |
| 22:28.31 | torr | abrotman, ok |
| 22:28.42 | Tramp | abrotman: thanks for your hint. deb-boot@oftc was very helpful |
| 22:28.51 | abrotman | Tramp: from three days ago? |
| 22:29.01 | Tramp | abrotman: hmm ... two 8) |
| 22:29.49 | abrotman | Tramp: did you get it all figured out? |
| 22:29.49 | Tramp | took me two days to get the machine up and migrate all stuff |
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| 22:30.02 | seabasst` | JordiGH: I don't have great memory, but its not that bad |
| 22:30.15 | ehtom | how can I install all the development tools in main ? |
| 22:30.27 | Tramp | abrotman: yep. Basically I used the wrong method for my install (or should have read the installation-guide more thoroughly) |
| 22:30.41 | abrotman | Tramp: oh .. hopefully they weren't too mean to you |
| 22:31.18 | abrotman | ehtom: all? |
| 22:31.27 | Tramp | abrotman: 8) no, quite the opposite. They just pointed out that I was running in the wrong direction and told me the right one. |
| 22:31.29 | abrotman | ehtom: you probably want to be more specific .. there are quite a few |
| 22:31.29 | ehtom | abrotman: yes |
| 22:31.40 | ehtom | abrotman: I want to make /usr read only |
| 22:31.49 | ehtom | so I want to have everything before I do so :P |
| 22:31.51 | abrotman | ehtom: how is that a development too ? |
| 22:32.05 | abrotman | ehtom: is it on a separate partition ? |
| 22:32.10 | ehtom | yes |
| 22:32.11 | ehtom | :P |
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| 22:32.22 | abrotman | ehtom: so you can remount it later if you need to reinstall it |
| 22:32.25 | abrotman | erm .. install stuff |
| 22:32.56 | ehtom | well, can I see how big the d/l would be before I decide? |
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| 22:33.11 | abrotman | ehtom: of what? do you want every single -dev library? |
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| 22:33.18 | ehtom | yes |
| 22:33.23 | abrotman | you're insane |
| 22:33.27 | ehtom | every ide, compiler, language and dev library |
| 22:33.33 | ehtom | haha |
| 22:33.35 | abrotman | !pal ehtom |
| 22:33.35 | dpkg | points at ehtom and laughs hysterically |
| 22:33.52 | acu | I am using VLC and I do not know I can only hear the sound but not see videos - can anyone tell me why ? |
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| 22:34.03 | ehtom | I just marked all in synaptic under development... it's almost crashing :S |
| 22:34.11 | abrotman | acu: all videos? |
| 22:34.27 | chomwitt | hi, i cant save changes in my bookmarks in iceweasel 3 |
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| 22:34.37 | ceil420 | wow... |
| 22:34.38 | acu | let me see again |
| 22:34.49 | ehtom | damn, a massive dependencies problem list just came up |
| 22:34.50 | moodhugs8836 | what does it mean if neither grub nor lilo can read from hdc3 ? |
| 22:35.02 | abrotman | ehtom: of course it did |
| 22:35.04 | ehtom | abrotman: hmm... ok, can I install the most common dev tools? |
| 22:35.48 | JordiGH | ehtom: build-essential |
| 22:36.00 | abrotman | ehtom: it depends on what kind of development you want to do |
| 22:36.17 | themill | ehtom: what are you developing. If you know what you are going to do, then this is quite easy. |
| 22:36.25 | ehtom | abrotman: C/C++/C#/Python/Java/PHP/Ocaml |
| 22:36.30 | abrotman | is that all? |
| 22:36.43 | ehtom | asm, perl |
| 22:36.47 | ehtom | probably forgot some |
| 22:36.51 | themill | that's also not an answer to the question |
| 22:36.52 | abrotman | Ada |
| 22:37.01 | ehtom | dont like ada |
| 22:37.02 | ceil420 | what, no lua? |
| 22:37.09 | themill | cobol ftw |
| 22:37.16 | ceil420 | how about brainfuck or malbolge? |
| 22:37.17 | abrotman | ada could replace all the rest of those! |
| 22:37.27 | themill | just do it all in emacs lisp |
| 22:37.29 | ehtom | ok, ada too then |
| 22:37.33 | ehtom | oh yeah, lisp |
| 22:37.34 | ehtom | ofc |
| 22:37.39 | prolix | erlang? |
| 22:38.01 | abrotman | ew! |
| 22:38.06 | intx | ! |
| 22:38.07 | intx | ! |
| 22:38.07 | intx | ! |
| 22:38.39 | ehtom | abrotman: so... how would I go about installing the compilers and ides for those languages? |
| 22:38.53 | themill | why do you need an ide for each language? |
| 22:38.57 | ehtom | I dont |
| 22:39.03 | abrotman | install vim .. be done ... |
| 22:39.19 | ehtom | vim is nice for C/C++ |
| 22:39.21 | abrotman | you're going to have to live with the notion of needing to be able to remount /usr/ |
| 22:39.27 | abrotman | vim is nice for everything |
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| 22:39.45 | ehtom | abrotman: nobody has made it do python code completion yet iirc |
| 22:39.51 | ehtom | oh yeah... I'll need icc too :S |
| 22:40.01 | abrotman | who needs that? |
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| 22:40.07 | Madd_Matt | Vim can do generic completion by scanning your document for words |
| 22:40.08 | abrotman | you're on your own for ICC |
| 22:40.16 | abrotman | you're going to have to live with the notion of needing to be able to remount /usr/ |
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| 22:40.26 | ceil420 | maybe if i never load firefox it won't crash ;x |
| 22:40.26 | abrotman | you're not going to get everything you need |
| 22:40.30 | ceil420 | iceweasel, whatever |
| 22:40.31 | JordiGH | ehtom: internet chess club? |
| 22:40.39 | ehtom | intel c++ compiler |
| 22:40.39 | Madd_Matt | Intel C compiler? |
| 22:40.49 | abrotman | usually used for HPC |
| 22:40.56 | ceil420 | ehtom, what have you got against /usr/ anyway? |
| 22:40.56 | abrotman | AFAIK anyways |
| 22:41.23 | ehtom | ceil420: nothing in particular, just static binaries is a good idea imo as far as worms etc go |
| 22:41.36 | abrotman | that has nothing to do with being static |
| 22:41.38 | ceil420 | worms are what you're worried about? |
| 22:41.56 | ceil420 | is your root password "password"? |
| 22:42.13 | ehtom | what kind of a question is that? |
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| 22:42.33 | ceil420 | what kind of responsible computer user is seriously worried about worms? |
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| 22:42.47 | ceil420 | just don't chmod +x and run everything you come across... |
| 22:42.52 | prolix | i always thoroughly cook my pork |
| 22:42.55 | ehtom | its not so much about being seriously worried |
| 22:42.59 | ceil420 | lol prolix |
| 22:43.08 | ehtom | its the fact that a little more security isn't a bad thing |
| 22:43.14 | ceil420 | ehtom, if you're willing to apt-get install *-dev, you're seriously worried, whether you care to admit it or not |
| 22:43.22 | ceil420 | that's not "a little more security" |
| 22:43.25 | acu | abrotman: I see .mpg videos with VLC but not .avi |
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| 22:43.35 | ceil420 | you're locking a toy chest in fort knox |
| 22:43.36 | abrotman | ehtom: that's fine .. then mount it read-only .. and when you need to install stuff .. remount it rw .. then remount it back |
| 22:43.45 | abrotman | acu: avi is a container .. not a codec |
| 22:43.57 | themill | offers ehtom a worm that checks if /usr is mounted ro and if it is remounts it rw just to be sure. |
| 22:43.58 | ehtom | i've given up on the install *-dev thing now, since it gives a horrible dependencies list |
| 22:44.01 | JordiGH | acu: avi isn't informative as far as formats go. If you launch VLC from the console, do you get any useful information about what audio codec it can't load? |
| 22:44.25 | ceil420 | wanting to unmount /usr/ has got to be the most roundabout way to secure a system i've ever heard of |
| 22:44.31 | ehtom | abrotman: guess so |
| 22:44.48 | ehtom | ceil420: it may surprise you to know its not a particularly uncommon thing to do... |
| 22:44.59 | abrotman | ceil420: not unmount .. mount readonly |
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| 22:45.15 | ceil420 | abrotman, oh |
| 22:45.31 | ceil420 | bind an alias to toggle it |
| 22:45.33 | ceil420 | shrugs |
| 22:45.44 | themill | Mounting /tmp noexec,nosuid can have advantages though. Pity it breaks apt. |
| 22:45.50 | ceil420 | switchusr.sh |
| 22:45.58 | path_ | thats fixeable themill |
| 22:46.03 | path_ | :) |
| 22:46.05 | themill | path_: I know :) |
| 22:46.07 | abrotman | you can tell apt where to use tmp |
| 22:46.17 | path_ | point there |
| 22:46.25 | themill | Or you can have a hook script that remounts |
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| 22:46.31 | path_ | haha |
| 22:46.36 | path_ | thats what you use themill ? |
| 22:46.52 | path_ | your surname remainds me the p4 architecture |
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| 22:47.11 | themill | It's an old hack.... cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/tmp-noexec => DPkg::Pre-Invoke {"mount -o remount,exec /tmp";}; DPkg::Post-Invoke {"mount -o remount /tmp";} |
| 22:47.20 | path_ | :D |
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| 22:47.33 | themill | path_: at least it doesn't remind you of a former British deputy PM. |
| 22:47.37 | demontager | what is the best debian distro i want try it instead Mandriva? |
| 22:47.40 | path_ | lmao |
| 22:47.47 | themill | demontager: debian |
| 22:47.56 | demontager | version? |
| 22:48.00 | path_ | #include define.h |
| 22:48.22 | ehtom | one of the nice things about mandrake is that their version of tasksel had a "Development Environment" option |
| 22:48.48 | themill | demontager: etch is stable and tested; lenny is shinier and not so well tested and still a moving target. |
| 22:49.04 | ceil420 | etch also uses 2 year old packages |
| 22:49.23 | themill | which are known to work well together... |
| 22:49.29 | JordiGH | 2 year old packages work great for my mom. |
| 22:49.36 | ceil420 | it's still an important thing to mention |
| 22:49.39 | path_ | the best question you should ask yourself is what are you looking to accomplish demontager |
| 22:49.45 | ceil420 | libc is so old, i couldn't install a game on etch |
| 22:50.15 | path_ | ceil420 is as simple as don't use etch for play those games :-) |
| 22:50.20 | path_ | or make a backport |
| 22:50.24 | demontager | I want to install Debian because kde 4.1.1 is available from repo there |
| 22:50.33 | abrotman | path_: you don't want to backport libc6 |
| 22:50.39 | path_ | hhah |
| 22:50.42 | abrotman | demontager: only in experimental |
| 22:50.46 | ceil420 | path_, what he said |
| 22:50.47 | path_ | abrotman it would be fun :D |
| 22:50.55 | demontager | yes, but available |
| 22:50.57 | abrotman | it would break lots of stuff |
| 22:50.58 | ehtom | hahahaha |
| 22:51.02 | ehtom | its in experimental iirc |
| 22:51.04 | ehtom | not lenny |
| 22:51.08 | acu | abrotman and JOrdiGH: it seem that it does not find/use the right video decoder - strangely enough I installed the win32 decoders (however just now I removed it since usually VLC worked out of the "box" without anything else) - however if you have any hints I am ready to listen :) |
| 22:51.15 | path_ | just for learning purporses abrotman I meant |
| 22:51.25 | abrotman | path_: go try it .. let us know how many pieces you get |
| 22:51.31 | path_ | lmao |
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| 22:51.39 | demontager | and I need x86_64 distro DVD version |
| 22:51.41 | path_ | it was a joke |
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| 22:52.05 | abrotman | demontager: use the netinst |
| 22:52.11 | path_ | demontager go for lenny on x86_64 and try the backport available for kde |
| 22:52.16 | JordiGH | acu: You might be running afoul of a problem Marillat mentions on his page, that Debian and Marillat are using the same soname for the libavc libraries. VLC is broken for me too, so I just use totem. :-( |
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| 22:52.50 | demontager | what is downloadable location for 64bit distros? |
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| 22:53.18 | zinx | demon: it's on http://www.debian.org/ |
| 22:53.25 | acu | JordiGH; you might be right - just now I was going to disable Marrilat repos - I really just need VLC - I will look now into it - THANKS |
| 22:53.35 | ehtom | does lenny have any already-out-of-date stuff in it? |
| 22:53.44 | zinx | ehtom: eclipse |
| 22:53.50 | zinx | ehtom: at the very least |
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| 22:54.07 | themill | ehtom: of course. There's some "new" stuff that's so buggy that it's not in lenny. |
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| 22:54.13 | path_ | :D |
| 22:54.51 | themill | !sns syndrome |
| 22:54.51 | dpkg | somebody said sns syndrome was a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 22:55.10 | path_ | hahaha |
| 22:55.24 | path_ | I'd like to have that db |
| 22:55.45 | ehtom | yeah but there's new shiny stuff and very very old stuff |
| 22:55.49 | path_ | I know that tcl is available and so but that definitions are tons |
| 22:55.55 | themill | dpkg: tell path_ about search dpkg |
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| 22:56.17 | path_ | thats it themill! thanks :) |
| 22:56.23 | themill | :) |
| 22:56.24 | flower | to get access to you external drive should it be in fstab? |
| 22:56.40 | liable | not neccessarily |
| 22:56.42 | themill | dpkg: tell flower about automount |
| 22:57.14 | ceil420 | <dpkg> fuck that, he can google it |
| 22:57.18 | ceil420 | <_< |
| 22:57.44 | ceil420 | wtf is troff o_O |
| 22:57.57 | ceil420 | went to 'rtorrent' and did tro[tab] instead of rto |
| 22:58.33 | demontager | debian-testing-powerpc-DVD-1.iso Does it include codecs and some extras? |
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| 22:59.08 | ceil420 | demontager, PPC is not 64-bit. you probably don't want that, unless you're installing to an old mac |
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| 22:59.55 | abrotman | PPC is 64bi |
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| 23:00.25 | ceil420 | abrotman, well it's not intel or amd 64-bit, which is what he's likely after |
| 23:00.25 | demontager | so can I install it, is it 64bit? |
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| 23:00.42 | abrotman | demontager: do you have a powerpc machine? |
| 23:01.14 | demontager | just laptop whith DualCore Intel |
| 23:01.20 | julian_ | hello i can't see the userlist i'm using xchat... any ideas? |
| 23:01.31 | abrotman | demontager: you want i386 or amd64 |
| 23:01.37 | abrotman | julian_: try the view menu |
| 23:01.39 | demontager | amd64 |
| 23:01.55 | abrotman | demontager: i'm telling you either will work |
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| 23:03.11 | demontager | there 5 DVD discs, could i just download the first and install system, other packets i'll install via internet? |
| 23:03.25 | abrotman | use the netinst |
| 23:03.29 | abrotman | i said that already |
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| 23:03.56 | demontager | i found this [ ] debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 23:04.16 | themill | dpkg: tell demontager about netinst |
| 23:04.24 | demontager | what is netist? |
| 23:04.29 | abrotman | wow .. |
| 23:04.33 | demontager | netinst? |
| 23:04.34 | path_ | themill whats the tcl are you using to output the php ? |
| 23:04.43 | abrotman | demontager: would it be easier for you to talk in portuguese ? |
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| 23:05.06 | themill | path_: ummm... context would be helpful |
| 23:05.07 | demontager | no, i'm ukrainian, but now in Brazil |
| 23:05.18 | path_ | themill, for the dpkg database |
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| 23:05.28 | themill | path_: not mine. Ask stew. |
| 23:05.29 | abrotman | demontager: use the netinst for amd64 .. do not download a whole dvd |
| 23:05.51 | abrotman | !confuse themill |
| 23:05.51 | dpkg | No, where are my mushroom yesterday, themill? trousers of the democracy of tahiti with extra ham |
| 23:05.59 | path_ | haha |
| 23:06.05 | demontager | where this 64bit netinst? |
| 23:06.11 | qq- | demontager: but for desktop use , 32 is better , sure unless have huge ram > 4 GB |
| 23:06.17 | themill | sobs uncontrollably in the corner |
| 23:06.28 | demontager | I have 4 Gb Ram |
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| 23:06.37 | path_ | stew the tcl that gives the php output is under GPL license ? :D |
| 23:06.50 | abrotman | qq-: stop confusing him |
| 23:07.02 | abrotman | path_: you're not making any sense |
| 23:07.16 | ceil420 | 'testing' my ass, i can't imagine anymore more 'unstable' than this ;x |
| 23:07.17 | path_ | I know, I'm a non-sense person |
| 23:07.21 | path_ | :/ |
| 23:07.34 | abrotman | demontager: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 23:08.16 | path_ | abrotman I just want to know how dpkg works and try to set up on my local community |
| 23:08.29 | path_ | that tcl or whatever it is, I like it |
| 23:08.49 | abrotman | !tell path_ about blootbot |
| 23:08.58 | demontager | 155MB? |
| 23:09.05 | qq- | yes |
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| 23:09.16 | samantha-b- | that sounds about right for a netinst |
| 23:09.22 | abrotman | demontager: it will get all the other packages you need from the intarweb |
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| 23:09.44 | samantha-b- | is there a business card image for amd64? |
| 23:09.45 | pobega | Hi #debian...What's the recommended way to do voice chat between Mac/Linux? |
| 23:09.53 | abrotman | samantha-b-: yes |
| 23:09.59 | pobega | I've looked into it and done it a lot, but I'd in the end like to try avoiding Skype |
| 23:10.01 | abrotman | pobega: ekiga i'd guess |
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| 23:10.26 | craigevil | pobega: ekiga, wengophone |
| 23:10.28 | samantha-b- | oh, that's an even smaller download. love them. all i use myself (tho i use i386). |
| 23:10.32 | pobega | abrotman: Last I used, the servers were slow and laggy as all hell. Voice messages would take 4~8 seconds to send |
| 23:10.33 | giovine | My sound card doesn't work in debian lenny. How can install again all the firmware-sowtare for my sound card? I think I have to install alsa..but before I have to delete it? I don't know, I'm new, I hope you can help me |
| 23:10.46 | demontager | so i just need to burn it on cd, and install normaly? |
| 23:11.02 | abrotman | pobega: i'm just telling you! |
| 23:11.04 | abrotman | demontager: yes |
| 23:11.21 | pobega | abrotman: Heh, I know, was just wondering if there was anything else besides that protocol (I forgot the name, starts with a G) and Skype |
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| 23:11.37 | path_ | thanks abrotman ! I'll get a lot fun testing it :] |
| 23:11.53 | abrotman | pobega: gizmodo ? |
| 23:11.56 | samantha-b- | my rsync is still downloading ... yawn ... |
| 23:11.57 | pobega | Cause from what I understand Skype = Bad |
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| 23:12.13 | abrotman | pobega: there is a plugin for pidgin IIRC that does voice/video |
| 23:12.24 | pobega | abrotman: Ohh, no, I meant SIP* S, not G, heh. It's been a long time. |
| 23:12.46 | demontager | i have internet via wirelees, this module included or i need to add it manualy? My module is iwl4965.ko |
| 23:12.57 | abrotman | demontager: you'll have to put the firmware on a usb stick |
| 23:13.23 | pobega | Hm, thanks for the help abrotman , I think I'll just slug it out with SIP again. |
| 23:13.36 | demontager | ---/lib/firmware? |
| 23:13.38 | abrotman | pobega: oh wait .. gaim does voice already .. dunno about video |
| 23:13.51 | pobega | I have to say, I love this channel, quick/concise answers, unless you ask something dumb or Ubuntu, heh. |
| 23:13.52 | abrotman | !tell demontager about iwlwifi |
| 23:14.19 | pobega | abrotman: No, I think they took all voice functionality out of Pidgin (Not looking to use webcam, just voice, to help a friend with Maths) |
| 23:14.59 | abrotman | oh .. maybe they did .. |
| 23:15.03 | abrotman | FIIK .. seems silly to me |
| 23:16.44 | pobega | Pidgin devs do some silly things, I don't really support a majority of the stuff they do. And apparently, #pidgin is a very hostile channel. |
| 23:16.47 | demontager | what the kernel by default in netinst? |
| 23:16.55 | pobega | But that is just what I heard, never experienced it |
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| 23:17.05 | streuner | depends what kind of installer you use |
| 23:17.42 | streuner | demontager: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 23:17.46 | nevagonnagiveuup | I want to install debian, can I just download debian-40r4a-amd64-CD-1.iso only? |
| 23:17.54 | nevagonnagiveuup | or do I need all the CDs |
| 23:17.59 | streuner | no |
| 23:18.00 | abrotman | nevagonnagiveuup: use the netinst |
| 23:18.09 | nevagonnagiveuup | why? |
| 23:18.10 | abrotman | you don't need all 3421 CDs |
| 23:18.18 | nevagonnagiveuup | can't I just use the first CD? |
| 23:18.57 | abrotman | you can .. but it's likely a wasted download |
| 23:19.07 | themill | dubs this "lippy-let's-annoy-the-helpers" sunday |
| 23:19.12 | V4Nelle | you can |
| 23:19.20 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:19.25 | nevagonnagiveuup | by the way I have an intel core 2 duo, so I should download AMD64 right? |
| 23:19.33 | ceil420 | what's a good non-firefox browser with images and no qt? |
| 23:19.36 | nevagonnagiveuup | why no x86-64? |
| 23:19.54 | themill | nevagonnagiveuup: x86-64 is amd64 |
| 23:19.58 | nevagonnagiveuup | k |
| 23:20.08 | streuner | ceil420: iceape :-) |
| 23:20.16 | nevagonnagiveuup | if I use netinst, do I have to manually configure GNOME |
| 23:20.20 | ceil420 | also, why is it called amd64? why not intel64? |
| 23:20.22 | ehtom | no |
| 23:20.32 | themill | nevagonnagiveuup: debian just didn't bother renaming the architecture as often as the intel marketing department. |
| 23:20.34 | path_ | IA64 != AMD64 |
| 23:20.41 | nevagonnagiveuup | if I install gnome, will it istall gnome and set it up |
| 23:20.42 | demontager | and how to burn his netinst on Flash? |
| 23:20.45 | path_ | amd64 == x86_64 |
| 23:21.02 | path_ | flags? yes, they are sexy |
| 23:21.03 | demontager | amd64 same as x86_64 |
| 23:21.04 | nevagonnagiveuup | or do I have to set up gnome manually, will it set it to boot automatically? |
| 23:21.10 | abrotman | ceil420: that's the name it got |
| 23:21.14 | abrotman | path_: that's not what he said |
| 23:21.22 | themill | ceil420: amd developed it first |
| 23:21.41 | ceil420 | i thought itanium came before athlon |
| 23:21.45 | ceil420 | or am i thinking dual core |
| 23:21.56 | path_ | picked the wrong reference again abrotman |
| 23:21.56 | ceil420 | ponders |
| 23:22.15 | abrotman | ceil420: Athlon (K7) came way before itanium |
| 23:22.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | ceil420, <path_> IA64 != AMD64 |
| 23:22.29 | path_ | thats true |
| 23:22.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | bah, sorry, paste buffer :\ |
| 23:22.34 | themill | ceil420: that's ia64 not intel64/amd64/em64t/whatever they bloody call it this week |
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| 23:22.47 | ceil420 | lol |
| 23:22.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill, this weeks it I64A :) |
| 23:22.57 | themill | ffs! |
| 23:23.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | to make sure no Itanium users get confused, of course |
| 23:23.15 | themill | and everyone else |
| 23:23.16 | path_ | argh |
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| 23:23.21 | nevagonnagiveuup | IA64 won't work on a core 2 duo, no? |
| 23:23.26 | ehtom | no |
| 23:23.27 | path_ | I shouldnt talk when I'm drunk |
| 23:23.33 | path_ | at least do not do irc |
| 23:23.50 | nevagonnagiveuup | installs netinst |
| 23:23.59 | ceil420 | is there a browser that's not midori that uses webkit? |
| 23:24.04 | ceil420 | (oh, and no qt) |
| 23:24.08 | path_ | epiphany? |
| 23:24.09 | abrotman | ceil420: epiphany |
| 23:24.15 | nevagonnagiveuup | I would download gentoo, but the idea of compiling everything and waiting hours isn't my cup of tea. |
| 23:24.22 | ceil420 | the gnome one? :o |
| 23:24.25 | path_ | yes |
| 23:24.38 | abrotman | epiphany in lenny/sid can use gecko or webkit |
| 23:24.43 | path_ | nevagonnagiveuup then do it |
| 23:24.51 | path_ | s/do/don't |
| 23:25.07 | ceil420 | After this operation, 61.9MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 23:25.09 | ceil420 | :| |
| 23:25.15 | path_ | :D |
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| 23:25.41 | ceil420 | how about one that's not epiphany? :x |
| 23:25.44 | nevagonnagiveuup | can you install the nvidia drivers with debian |
| 23:25.48 | nevagonnagiveuup | through auto update? |
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| 23:26.01 | abrotman | ceil420: how about you apt-cache search ? |
| 23:26.04 | nevagonnagiveuup | or debian devs don't make it available, you have to do it yourself? |
| 23:26.15 | abrotman | !tell nevagonnagiveuup about nvidia one-liner |
| 23:27.13 | streuner | or just use "nv" :-) |
| 23:27.38 | qq- | or vesa |
| 23:27.41 | ceil420 | tch |
| 23:27.48 | ceil420 | smallest in repos is kazekahase, at 20mb :x |
| 23:28.02 | ceil420 | kazehakase* |
| 23:28.04 | abrotman | either try it or don't |
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| 23:28.39 | Benzi | well |
| 23:28.45 | Benzi | the jumper was lying around loose in my case |
| 23:28.53 | Benzi | so I'm pretty much an idiot |
| 23:28.55 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 23:29.10 | Benzi | I'm only saying this to the guys who had to experience my noobness before |
| 23:29.11 | streuner | heh |
| 23:29.27 | streuner | no worries |
| 23:29.36 | ehtom | isnt it better to use module-assistant to install the nvidia kernel? |
| 23:32.14 | streuner | nobody is going to say any word, only you dont read what we recommend you and ignore our advice |
| 23:32.39 | Benzi | wait a minute |
| 23:32.41 | Benzi | what? |
| 23:32.50 | Benzi | was that addressed to me? |
| 23:32.54 | Guerin | !kernal |
| 23:32.54 | streuner | sure |
| 23:32.54 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 23:32.59 | streuner | Guerin: :-) |
| 23:33.15 | streuner | Guerin: What's up? :-) |
| 23:33.29 | Guerin | streuner: i have a monday off, and that's cause for celebration |
| 23:33.39 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:33.48 | streuner | sounds like fun :-) |
| 23:34.12 | Benzi | wait a minute |
| 23:34.17 | Benzi | Guerin says !kernal |
| 23:34.34 | Benzi | and the bot says KERNEL *KERNEL* KERNEL |
| 23:34.39 | Benzi | how useful is that |
| 23:34.43 | abrotman | Benzi: do you have a debian question? |
| 23:34.51 | Benzi | no |
| 23:34.57 | Benzi | don't ban me please |
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| 23:35.49 | ehtom | abrotman: with that nvidia one liner... I always use module-assistant :S |
| 23:35.58 | ceil420 | !@#$ |
| 23:35.59 | dpkg | somebody said @#$ was the trigraph for "I'm really annoyed" |
| 23:36.01 | abrotman | ehtom: don't ask me .. i don't write it |
| 23:36.05 | abrotman | ceil420: leave the bot alone |
| 23:36.11 | ehtom | k |
| 23:36.15 | ceil420 | abrotman: i didn't know that was a trigger |
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| 23:36.24 | ceil420 | that was my polite way of saying 'FUCK' |
| 23:36.40 | Guerin | ceil420: being polite is impolite |
| 23:36.42 | ceil420 | (appropriate response from the bot, though) |
| 23:36.48 | ceil420 | heh |
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| 23:39.18 | ceil420 | wonder how long it'll take debian to crash if i don't use X ;x |
| 23:40.21 | abrotman | gomad! |
| 23:41.04 | ceil420 | irssi is ugly ;x |
| 23:41.36 | pobega | irssi rocks |
| 23:41.50 | pobega | best. irc. client. EVER. |
| 23:41.50 | ceil420 | it's about as technologically advanced as a rock :x |
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| 23:42.03 | pobega | Graphics don't make something technologically advanced. |
| 23:42.15 | pobega | hell, CLI programs are better 90% of the time. |
| 23:42.25 | ceil420 | xchat > irssi |
| 23:42.41 | ceil420 | especially when trying to keep up with multiple channels on multiple networks |
| 23:43.01 | pobega | ceil420: Works fine in irssi for me. |
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| 23:43.07 | pobega | Three networks, six channels. |
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| 23:43.16 | ceil420 | works better in xchat for me |
| 23:43.23 | ceil420 | up to seven networks and almost 40 channels |
| 23:43.27 | pobega | Then why complain about it? This is #debian, not #irssi |
| 23:43.43 | ceil420 | because debian is why i'm using irssi ;x |
| 23:43.52 | ceil420 | it keeps crashing, and i'm seeing if it's just when i use X |
| 23:43.52 | abrotman | or you could take it to #debian-offtopic and argue all night |
| 23:44.02 | pobega | Or, you know, just use Xchat. |
| 23:44.08 | pobega | Who cares how you connect, so long as it gets the job done |
| 23:44.48 | streuner | hm |
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| 23:45.23 | streuner | is lazy, so Debian is just fine for him ;-) |
| 23:45.23 | pobega | I like irssi better, but now, |
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| 23:45.45 | pobega | if you'll excuse me, I need to go play a MMORPG solely by forcing packets onto the server. |
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| 23:50.01 | ceil420 | maybe the stuff i just upgraded will make me less prone to crashes :x |
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| 23:50.08 | ceil420 | (i still wanna see how long i last without X though |
| 23:50.10 | ceil420 | ) |
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| 23:55.46 | nginx | ceil420, last time i was building a gentoo desktop i stayed console for about a month :> |
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| 23:55.59 | ceil420 | nginx: i already miss web browsing -_- |
| 23:56.12 | nginx | i was even watching movies and browsed the web ! |
| 23:56.25 | ceil420 | and if i crash anyway, i'll just go back to X |
| 23:56.30 | ceil420 | watching movies? without X? |
| 23:56.31 | nginx | elinks with seejpeg and mplayer on libsvga is a great way :> |
| 23:56.37 | ceil420 | :o |
| 23:56.42 | nginx | s:way:combination |
| 23:56.45 | ceil420 | how does i do that? |
| 23:56.54 | craigevil | links2 -g does graphics even without x |
| 23:56.56 | nginx | ceil420, mplayer and libsvga |
| 23:57.00 | ceil420 | will mplayer automatically do libsvga if i'm not in x? |
| 23:57.10 | nginx | then mplayer -vo svga some.movie.file.avi |
| 23:57.25 | ceil420 | already got libsvga1 |
| 23:57.30 | nginx | ceil420, yes, ive tested it today just before fire up my xfce :) |
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| 23:57.58 | nginx | i've watched some .flv pr*n stuff :) |
| 23:58.20 | ceil420 | svgalib: Cannot get I/O permissions. |
| 23:58.27 | ceil420 | what's that mean? :x |
| 23:59.17 | wols_ | it means your user has no permissions |
| 23:59.23 | nginx | wee, had you added your user to the video group? |
