| 00:00.26 | kmeyer | hey, how do I configure an interface to configure itself with dhcp? |
| 00:00.36 | wols_ | kmeyer: man interfaces |
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| 00:01.49 | kmeyer | wols_: thanks |
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| 00:10.36 | dustybin | when one installs ssh server on debian, why is this on by default: |
| 00:10.37 | dustybin | PermitRootLogin yes |
| 00:10.42 | dustybin | ? |
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| 00:16.24 | dmoerner | dustybin: because you don't have to install debian with a non-root account, see e.g. http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openbsd-misc/2008/7/10/2416824 |
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| 00:17.00 | simonrvn | dustybin: personally, i don't see the point of having that on, but best person/people to ask is the maintainer/team |
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| 00:17.10 | eve | is there a different configurator for the printer ? |
| 00:17.19 | eve | a more advanced one with more options ? Properties |
| 00:17.46 | simonrvn | what? |
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| 00:19.12 | Somni | eve: different from what? |
| 00:19.32 | abrotman | cups ? |
| 00:20.11 | eve | different from the actual one, more complex |
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| 00:21.00 | eve | my friend needs to print a .pps file (oo2 -> impress) in 4 images (pages) per every page... to use less paper for the school works |
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| 00:21.24 | eve | she says that has this in windows, but i don't found this in oo2 / cups |
| 00:21.32 | Somni | what is the actual one? you're asking for something different from what you're currently using, what are you currently using? |
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| 00:21.51 | eve | Somni: cups... gnome-cups-manager |
| 00:22.08 | eve | the only that i know, is there other options ? |
| 00:22.33 | Lagbolt | eve, you want to be able to print multiple slides per page |
| 00:22.45 | eve | Lagbolt: right |
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| 00:23.40 | eve | Lagbolt: is possible to do this in debian ? in cups or in oo2 ? |
| 00:23.45 | Somni | eve: there's lpr and lprng; there's manually doing a lot of the work CUPS does |
| 00:23.48 | Lagbolt | eve, should be in ooimpress |
| 00:23.54 | Lagbolt | let me take a peek, i thinki have done this |
| 00:24.12 | Somni | eve: perhaps you'd be better served asking about your problem, instead of trying to find an alternative printing system |
| 00:24.32 | Lagbolt | eve, you prob want to try to get it to print "handout view" |
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| 00:27.12 | Lukas___ | if I recompile the kernel for an old laptop can REALLY improve the start of the computer ? (really like DSL) |
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| 00:27.16 | Lagbolt | eve, http://openoffice.blogs.com/openoffice/2005/11/printing_handou.html |
| 00:27.19 | eve | Lagbolt: i have read a howto about the "handout view" (and printing), tried it but has printed a full page (very strange), i should made a better look then |
| 00:27.35 | Lagbolt | ah let me try it and see if it works for me |
| 00:28.14 | Cholito | how could I check when I installed Debian? |
| 00:28.27 | abrotman | Lukas___: you're still not using debian |
| 00:28.38 | abrotman | Cholito: ls -l /var/log/debian-installer.log .. or something like that |
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| 00:28.58 | eve | Lagbolt: just this howto i have used :) |
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| 00:29.00 | Lukas___ | i want to install debian in this laptop, but want something really fast, its a P III 300Mhz with 96 RAM |
| 00:29.04 | eve | Lagbolt: ok thanks |
| 00:29.25 | Lukas___ | the smaller installation I can have 700mb and using Xorg wich its heavy for this machine |
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| 00:30.42 | abrotman | so install debian |
| 00:31.18 | grendal_prime | abrotman: i got this package ive been building..for some reason even after it is installed it does not show the installed version? It just shoes blank? that make any sence? |
| 00:31.42 | Lukas___ | its heavy!! I want! but start time take almos 2min, can I really improve this time recompiling the kernel or something ? |
| 00:32.04 | abrotman | i doubt it |
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| 00:32.14 | grendal_prime | debian heavy? what are you booting? |
| 00:32.17 | abrotman | grendal_prime: uhm .. no it doesn't |
| 00:32.21 | monomo | hi |
| 00:32.28 | grendal_prime | ya i didnt thing so. |
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| 00:32.58 | Lukas___ | I make the netcd install, with expert mode, only the basic takes 400mb and then Xorg my headache! I prefer Xvesa but dont know how to configure |
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| 00:33.15 | grendal_prime | 2 min to boot? must be a desktop |
| 00:33.18 | Cholito | uhmmm, there is no debian-installer.log |
| 00:33.39 | Lukas___ | Sony PCG 505TS, 2Gb HD, 96RAM 300Mhz |
| 00:33.40 | neonlightning | Lukas___, honestly it sounds to me like you may be better off sticking with dsl |
| 00:33.55 | CompWizrd | or the laptop hard drive is horrible and stuck in PIO mode |
| 00:34.17 | neonlightning | or at best puppy but puppy needs like 256mb of ram for the newer versions |
| 00:34.22 | grendal_prime | wait a min..what is he doing? we have a dom that boots and it is pretty well a compleate os and it takes 20 secs max! |
| 00:34.36 | Lukas___ | hate puppy, works great, but I want Debian or debian based |
| 00:34.57 | grendal_prime | what is this running on Lukas___ ? |
| 00:35.08 | grendal_prime | hardware wise? |
| 00:35.32 | neonlightning | Lukas___, well dsl is knoppix based and knoppix is debian based |
| 00:35.33 | Lukas___ | I install the base system from DEBIAN NetCD, in expert mode, only the basics (445Mb) |
| 00:35.53 | Lukas___ | then Xorg, and openbox or IceWm |
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| 00:36.04 | grendal_prime | also abrotman i got a question about file system integrity..can i talk directly to you about it? |
| 00:36.15 | abrotman | ask here |
| 00:36.26 | grendal_prime | 445 mb is actually pretty big you know |
| 00:36.34 | faileas | anyone have any idea if the wireless networking setup on lenny will work with wpa? |
| 00:36.38 | grendal_prime | abrotman: id rather not |
| 00:36.45 | abrotman | why not? |
| 00:36.55 | grendal_prime | company policy |
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| 00:37.05 | Lukas___ | must install an old Debian ? (Iam using 4.0) |
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| 00:37.57 | grendal_prime | well considering ive seen supported x11 desktop distro on a 3.5 floppy, 445 megs seems like an awfull lot of base install. |
| 00:38.30 | Lukas___ | thats the base install of Debian 4 with netcd |
| 00:38.37 | abrotman | how is filesystem integrity company policy ? |
| 00:38.44 | grendal_prime | ok nevermind |
| 00:38.47 | Lukas___ | do you recomend search and old Debian disto ? |
| 00:38.59 | Lukas___ | or its better stay with the most recent ? |
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| 00:39.19 | grendal_prime | well first off i still dont know what hardware your working with. |
| 00:40.00 | grendal_prime | i can tell you i have been working witha project that runs off of a 1gig ide Disk On Module(basically an ide drive on a card) that costs like 15 dollars. |
| 00:40.03 | Lukas___ | nothing special, I just want to surf, read PDF's, Pidgin, little things, but FAST |
| 00:40.30 | CompWizrd | what window manager are you using? |
| 00:40.48 | Lukas___ | IceWm - openbox - fvwm-crystal |
| 00:41.21 | grendal_prime | if you want fast (but i must tell you not very easily adjusted) go with a gentoo installation..its all compiled..and i have seen gentoo installs that will kick the liveing s*&^ out of any windows distro for speed. |
| 00:41.54 | grendal_prime | that being said..its a (not painfull) but slow process adding and removing items from it(its by default all compiled from source) |
| 00:41.59 | buu | GENTOO MAKES IT FASTER |
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| 00:42.20 | dmoerner | !gentoo |
| 00:42.20 | dpkg | [gentoo] a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ or ask me about <greenhouse>. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg, or <funroll-loops>, or #gentoo @ irc.freenode.net |
| 00:42.43 | preds` | what's a good way for me to go about finding how much memory a particular pid is using on a system? look in /proc for the info or parse ps? |
| 00:42.44 | buu | grendal_prime: Dude totally I once had this gentoo install and like it went a little slow but like I ordered these magnets and I could stick them to the side of my case and they reordered the negative polarity of the ions on the 1 bits of the atom matrix in the data bus system and it totally booted 12 seconds fater. |
| 00:42.46 | Lukas___ | the problem with Gentoo its, I have to install in a external HD in my main compu, then put back to the laptop, if I make the Gentoo install in one laptop an then move to the other doesnt work |
| 00:42.54 | wols_ | preds`: top |
| 00:43.12 | preds` | wols_: top is scriptable? I'm writing a cron |
| 00:43.18 | preds` | top output* |
| 00:43.22 | Lukas___ | (the sony dont have CD or diskete ) |
| 00:43.33 | CompWizrd | does the hard drive do DMA? |
| 00:43.38 | CompWizrd | i've seen older systems that won't do dma by default |
| 00:43.40 | wols_ | preds`: but finding out how much memory a process uses is a fool's erran with a virtual memory, multitasking OS which uses shared libs extensively |
| 00:43.49 | grendal_prime | ya like i said its a pain in the ass to adjust...im sorry guys but its true its a damn fast os. but a pain in the ass to deal with in its "fast" mode. |
| 00:43.51 | wols_ | preds`: use ps then |
| 00:44.18 | eve | Lagbolt: has worked ? |
| 00:44.30 | grendal_prime | wife is sick, kids are hungry, its 6(dinner time here,) i have to bbq see ya all later. |
| 00:46.05 | smacnay | can rsync work over an nfs share? |
| 00:47.00 | Lagbolt | eve, cant find anything to make it work |
| 00:47.13 | preds` | smacnay: yeah I don't see why not. |
| 00:47.13 | Lukas___ | :( |
| 00:47.14 | Lagbolt | maybe they fixing it in oo3.0? might check what they are changin |
| 00:47.48 | preds` | wols_: I'm just checking the RSS, it's not a big deal. |
| 00:48.20 | qq- | Lukas___: well Sony VAIO PCG-505TS 300 MHz Pentium MMX has HDD == 4.3G ,Installing Linux from, and using Linux with the Sony PCGA-CD5 CD-ROM accessory |
| 00:48.25 | smacnay | preds`, I wanted to use rdiff-backup but the machine to which I am backing up uses a different version of rdiff-backup than my machine. Server is ubuntu and my machine is Deb testing. |
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| 00:49.33 | Lukas___ | qq: I dont have the CDROM ! thats the problem, every time I have to put the HD in other laptop and install there and again back to the Sony |
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| 00:50.13 | Lagbolt | eve, i think it works |
| 00:50.26 | Lagbolt | eve, just click "options" after print and select handouts |
| 00:50.49 | preds` | smacnay: sorry, I'm not familiar with rdiff-backup. Perhaps you might want to see if you can obtain the same version by checking both distro's backports/debian unstable etc or compile from source |
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| 00:51.30 | Lagbolt | now who can help me understand why swtiching from 2.6.24 to 2.6.26 causes my trouble resuming from hibernation? |
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| 00:51.37 | smacnay | preds`, I might - seems that the ubuntu version is quite outdated and this is 8.04! |
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| 00:52.15 | preds` | yeah, perhaps check ubuntu's next version's repo.. :) |
| 00:52.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | intrepid ibex |
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| 00:54.54 | preds` | haha |
| 00:55.18 | preds` | ingenious iguana |
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| 00:56.25 | onx | hey, can someone recommend a FOSS groupware server that's easy to maintain (i.e. debs available)? |
| 00:56.41 | eve | Lagbolt: yes i have tried that but not has worked when i have tried it... so you have printed a page correctly ? |
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| 00:56.59 | Lagbolt | yeah eve printed fine |
| 00:57.04 | Lagbolt | did you deslect the normal slides? |
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| 00:57.41 | Lagbolt | eve, unselect "drawing" and select handouts |
| 00:58.04 | eve | Lagbolt: yes, i have tried all these ones... but i don't remember exactly which ones so, better to try again tomorrow |
| 00:58.25 | preds` | oh sh4d3sl4y3r_, I didn't realise you were serious! Check out this ibex --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Capra_ibex_ibex_â_03.jpg |
| 00:59.01 | abrotman | !ot |
| 00:59.01 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 01:07.42 | PiousMinion | Anyone know of anything that can rip all the images off of a site and save them? I really don't want to try getright via wine. heh |
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| 01:09.25 | Cholito | I saw a extension for firefox to get all images from a forum :) |
| 01:09.36 | wols_ | wget |
| 01:10.06 | Cholito | you can set wget to download only images? |
| 01:10.17 | neonlightning | could always use httrack |
| 01:10.20 | PiousMinion | that was my next question. heh |
| 01:10.26 | PiousMinion | httrack.... googling. |
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| 01:12.37 | PiousMinion | httrack it is. thanks |
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| 01:17.16 | michaesaur1 | will lenny support SATA installs? |
| 01:18.05 | abrotman | etch does |
| 01:18.15 | roe_ | michaesaur, assuming you mean "Does lenny allow /boot or / to live on a sata drive?" then the answer is yes |
| 01:18.40 | roe_ | michaesaur, your success may vary depending on the support of your sata chipset though |
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| 01:19.19 | roe_ | some of the really cheap sata card's driver only support lba28 |
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| 01:22.46 | yigal | hello I don't see my, broadcom 43xx, wireless device in linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 and I was hoping someone experienced this already and could help me |
| 01:23.49 | yigal | I reextracted the firmware using b43-fwcutter, moved everything to /lib/firmware but again ifconfig -a shows only an ethernet port and lo |
| 01:24.08 | abrotman | dmesg ? |
| 01:24.54 | yigal | abrotman: didn't do it :( - idiot |
| 01:25.04 | yigal | abrotman: should I reboot with the kernel and look |
| 01:25.15 | abrotman | and maybe plugin your wired nic ? |
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| 01:25.51 | yigal | will attempt to, it's a bit challenging, but will at least copy dmesg |
| 01:26.04 | yigal | abrotman: ty, be back in 10 min. <- idiot |
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| 01:26.14 | ooter | do you have wireless-tools? |
| 01:26.19 | yigal | ooter: yes |
| 01:26.37 | yigal | ooter: is there some command I should attempt ? |
| 01:26.40 | yigal | iwconfig? |
| 01:26.45 | ooter | yah that's the one |
| 01:26.56 | ooter | i seem to remember seeing wlan0 and ath0 when I was doing wireless |
| 01:27.06 | ooter | that was atheros though |
| 01:27.24 | yigal | right I had as much luck with iwconfig as with ifconfig, I'll reboot into that darn kernel, see what happens :) |
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| 01:27.52 | ooter | maybe you need a module inserted or something |
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| 01:31.58 | Luria | so, i just accidentally installed (well, actually, its still installing) the base desktop (gnome, oo.org, etc.) on an old k6 luggable. is there a meta package I can use to remove it? |
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| 01:34.02 | preds` | Is there a way to make a cron run every minute? |
| 01:34.08 | abrotman | yes |
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| 01:34.20 | preds` | what is that or where should I read about it? |
| 01:34.40 | torr | hi |
| 01:34.45 | torr | my clamd doesn't restart |
| 01:34.54 | torr | any clue how to auto restart? |
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| 01:35.15 | yigal | abrotman & ooter : right device name change ath0 --> wlan0 it's all better, thank you |
| 01:35.34 | abrotman | broadcom wouldn't ever be ath0 .. but okay |
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| 01:35.59 | yigal | abrotman: your right that's atheros, not sure what happened then |
| 01:36.14 | torr | is there a way to auto restart a daemon if it crush? |
| 01:36.26 | yigal | abrotman: just being clumsy I guess, today hopefully not other days, don't need to embarrass myself anymore |
| 01:36.38 | ooter | preds: check out /etc/crontab |
| 01:37.02 | preds` | thanks ooter (yay! a manpage) |
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| 01:38.34 | yigal | abrotman: actually I changed wlan0 --> eth3 - the ethernet nic - then ran /etc/init.d/networking restart and of course it failed, put back wlan0 and it worked, sorry was working on another laptop |
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| 01:38.49 | yigal | abrotman: still don't understand why |
| 01:39.00 | abrotman | use the one that works! |
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| 01:39.20 | yigal | abrotman: what greps on dmesg can I run to maybe get some answers |
| 01:39.24 | preds` | ooter: after editing the file, do I put the file I want to run in /etc/cron.d/? |
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| 01:40.10 | sporkf | hi |
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| 01:40.28 | abrotman | yigal: dmesg | grep 43 ? |
| 01:40.32 | sporkf | i was watching a movie with steven segal (out for justice), segal was fighting a chinese dude with sticks in a bar while his buddies were holler'n/cheer'n "FUCK HIS FUCK"N EYE OUT"!! |
| 01:40.33 | yigal | right |
| 01:40.36 | sporkf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.41 | abrotman | sporkf: you're int eh wrong channel |
| 01:40.43 | abrotman | the wrong |
| 01:40.48 | fbc | Putting auto eth1:1 in my /etc/network/interfaces does not automatically bring up m interface when I reboot. I have to manually do "ifup eth1:1" all the time. Anyone know a way of fixing this problem? |
| 01:40.51 | ooter | preds`: not sure, I don't use it a lot; I usually just edit the file and restart /etc/init.d/cron |
| 01:40.53 | Luria | with a spork |
| 01:40.55 | sporkf | oh sorry. thought this was #politics |
| 01:41.08 | yigal | abrotman: [ 71.880055] b43-phy0 ERROR: PHY transmission error , is that something ? |
| 01:41.59 | yigal | abrotman: don't worry, I'll search, you've done far more than enough |
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| 01:48.53 | Kye-Pup | how does one access the com port |
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| 01:49.27 | Kye-Pup | I am trying to run a program using wine that needs to access the com port |
| 01:49.36 | Kye-Pup | ttyS0 |
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| 01:51.36 | jon_ | probably accessing hardware is a matter of permission on the node file and properly configuring wine to make it aware of it |
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| 01:53.51 | jon_ | is there a way to provide a variable which is set on the kernel command line such that it can be read by some userland thing? |
| 01:54.51 | abrotman | jon_: ask #kernel .. i'd imagine so |
| 01:55.01 | jon_ | ok |
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| 01:55.11 | jon_ | on this net? |
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| 01:57.16 | jon_ | basically... if I try to even build the nvidia driver for a xen enabled kernel, it won't let me... so I just want to make it easy to switch... so I was thinking, what if I had a variable say called VIDEO_DRIVER which would have the driver, which I'd somehow incorporate into the xorg config |
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| 01:59.01 | jon_ | but it brings up the question of why they're incompatible |
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| 02:02.45 | sporkf | @ 4:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMu2xNBpyQc |
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| 02:05.18 | amphi | how now? a spork? |
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| 02:19.59 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:19.59 | dpkg | <Hostile> RichiH: Im not fsking retarded |
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| 02:21.30 | p1ngp0ng | oh god, i just has the crazyiest dram. :S |
| 02:21.36 | p1ngp0ng | dream* |
| 02:21.47 | eve | which graphic cards works stable with Composite ? nvidia and intel only ? |
| 02:22.00 | p1ngp0ng | wonders off to debian-offtopic |
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| 02:33.35 | wols | eve: ask #compiz-fusion |
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| 02:34.43 | drwahl | i'm trying to configure a new laptop's multimedia keys using xmodmap, but i forget how to find code for the key that was pressed. isn't there some utility to assist with that? |
| 02:36.40 | Wyzard | drwahl: xev |
| 02:37.19 | drwahl | yes, thats it, thank you |
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| 02:40.30 | drwahl | hmm... so i have 5 multimedia keys, but only 2 are being recognized using xev. is it possible that xev is missing the other 3 keys, or might they be hardware bound somehow? |
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| 02:41.19 | Wyzard | It's not unheard-of for laptop special keys to send ACPI events instead of keyboard events |
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| 03:15.12 | faileas | i'm trying to set up a debianlenny /kde system with an external wireless card. i seem to be able to connect to a wpa network with nmapplet but not networkmanager-kde... |
| 03:15.26 | faileas | considering both are front ends for the same app.. i'm wondering what could be wrong |
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| 03:17.01 | faileas | scratch that. i can't seem to get a ip address for an unsecured ap either |
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| 03:40.37 | lymeca | Hi, I can't get Direct Rendering working with Debian sid. I have 2.6.25 with driver version 8.51.3 and an ATI Radeon X850 XT. The OpenGL Renderer just says "Mesa GLX Indirect". |
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| 03:44.49 | wols | Xorg.0.log and dpkg -l |grep fglrx |
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| 03:47.12 | lymeca | wols: http://pastebin.ca/1210039 |
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| 03:48.15 | lymeca | wols: and here is a relevent portion of Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.ca/1210040 |
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| 04:43.58 | christoz | greetings, and good morning, i would like to share an experience i had yesterday. I was excited about how my debian performed yesterday |
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| 04:45.08 | aliases123 | christoz: yep |
| 04:45.14 | christoz | i was moving about 20 gb's on one partition to another while i was downoading listening music and compileing, and to not forget to add the voip session i had during all these , |
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| 04:45.27 | aliases123 | christoz: anything else, seems a bit low. |
| 04:45.33 | christoz | my system is a p4 with 786 ram |
| 04:45.40 | christoz | and never crashed |
| 04:45.41 | aliases123 | christoz: so ? |
| 04:45.48 | christoz | goodbye windows |
| 04:45.48 | christoz | :p |
| 04:45.48 | JonasNZ | whats the best way to get subversion 1.5.2 onto an etch box ? |
| 04:46.10 | christoz | on windows this would never happened |
| 04:46.20 | aliases123 | christoz: that's why debian releases when its ready not when its good for sales / marketing. |
| 04:47.03 | christoz | yes, a truly good OS |
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| 04:47.21 | christoz | aliases123, i have a question thoug |
| 04:47.40 | aliases123 | JonasNZ: is it in backports ? |
| 04:47.49 | christoz | when i'm udating my installed packages , what exactly happens? |
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| 04:48.18 | christoz | meaning , does the update patcht the existed packages or replaces with the new ones? |
| 04:48.44 | aliases123 | christoz: i think they are replaced. if you download a .deb extract it out and having a look. |
| 04:48.57 | dmoerner | christoz: it downloads the .deb containing the new binaries and replaces them all. if the existing files are the same it rewerites them anyway |
| 04:49.19 | aliases123 | dmoerner: will prompt for config files usually ;) |
| 04:49.30 | JonasNZ | aliases123, no its not, i have got 1.5.1 from lenny and rebuilt the .deb packages on etch but I dont know enought to go and build it without the predefined debian rules and 1.5.1 has a bug which is really hindering us |
| 04:49.31 | christoz | so, there is no point of keeping the deb files that are installed eh? |
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| 04:49.57 | christoz | meaning the compessed ones |
| 04:50.02 | dmoerner | christoz: no, unless you have a specialized setup the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives are just filling up disk space |
| 04:50.28 | aliases123 | dmoerner: nar i use those. just in case an update doesn't actually work out. (lenny here) |
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| 04:51.24 | aliases123 | JonasNZ: wait for some one who knows what they are talking about. wols ? |
| 04:51.42 | dmoerner | !simple sid backport |
| 04:51.43 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 04:52.46 | Supaplex | !pain in the $*@$( sid backport hehe jk. :) |
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| 05:03.56 | pist0l-fish | hi all. I am trying to use aptitude to install MythTV on my debian box and I believe (but am not sure) that I am lacking repositories for certain dependencies. Does anyone know where I can just acquire a big list of apt-get repositories? |
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| 05:04.52 | christoz | pist0l-fish, try use the apt-pining |
| 05:05.01 | christoz | check this out http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
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| 05:06.03 | pist0l-fish | christoz: I'm on it |
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| 05:06.22 | christoz | if your repositories are not providing this packet , with pining you can search to the next distro-version repos |
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| 05:10.34 | pist0l-fish | I assume apt-pining works with aptitude? That is to ask, is aptitude simply a fancy wrapper for apt-get? |
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| 05:23.12 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 05:23.13 | dpkg | <nvz> Pretty much lost interest in school after the 3rd of 4th year when I seen that they couldnt teach me anything anymore, and I began my own quest of knowlage |
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| 05:24.42 | n-iCe | i can't open folders in my desktop if I click on Computer i get nautilus --no-desktop |
| 05:24.45 | n-iCe | in ps x |
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| 05:25.59 | pist0l-fish | aptitude jost froze. I think it's trying to do a search algorithm for a package's dependecies |
| 05:26.01 | pist0l-fish | does this occur often? |
| 05:26.29 | streuner | unstable? |
| 05:26.52 | pist0l-fish | o dpm |
| 05:26.55 | pist0l-fish | *I don't think so |
| 05:27.01 | pist0l-fish | it just came with my debian |
| 05:27.25 | pist0l-fish | this is a pentium 2 so it might not be so good at search algorithms though |
| 05:27.31 | streuner | What does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say= |
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| 05:28.28 | n-iCe | pist0l-fish: no first time |
| 05:28.33 | n-iCe | lenny |
| 05:28.38 | pist0l-fish | ? |
| 05:28.44 | n-iCe | nevermind |
| 05:28.47 | n-iCe | i can't open folders in my desktop if I click on Computer i get nautilus --no-desktop |
| 05:28.50 | pist0l-fish | streuner: ii libc6 2.7-13 GNU C |
| 05:29.10 | pist0l-fish | I did just update libc6 and I'm going to pull a windows and restart |
| 05:29.13 | pist0l-fish | brb |
| 05:29.42 | beardy | shakes head |
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| 05:30.53 | streuner | shakes beardy |
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| 05:33.05 | streuner | liable: that quote is even better |
| 05:34.25 | streuner | liable: isnt there something funnier? |
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| 05:35.24 | liable | which quote? |
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| 05:35.47 | liable | i like 131 i think |
| 05:35.47 | TomWork | hi |
| 05:36.09 | liable | nope |
| 05:36.09 | TomWork | do someone if there is a replacement for xlock ? I can't find it in my fresh debian testing |
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| 05:36.41 | craigevil | TomWork: try xscreensaver |
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| 05:37.15 | TomWork | I tried but i dislike it |
| 05:37.33 | TomWork | moreover you can access the virtual consoles |
| 05:37.38 | TomWork | with xlock you can't |
| 05:37.49 | streuner | !info xlockmore |
| 05:38.01 | TomWork | !info xlockmore |
| 05:38.10 | dpkg | xlockmore: (Lock X11 display until password is entered.), section x11, is extra. Version: 1:5.22-1.4 (sid), Packaged size: 598 kB, Installed size: 1320 kB |
| 05:38.36 | streuner | TomWork: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 05:39.28 | TomWork | ok |
| 05:39.38 | TomWork | not on backports.org at least :( |
| 05:39.54 | streuner | well, i doubt that's that simple, but you could just try it... |
| 05:40.03 | streuner | s/that's/its/ |
| 05:40.16 | streuner | according due depends... |
| 05:40.21 | TomWork | yep |
| 05:40.22 | TomWork | thx |
| 05:40.27 | TomWork | I will try |
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| 05:42.30 | TomWork | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=420709 : here it is |
| 05:42.41 | streuner | !dbugs 420709 |
| 05:42.44 | dpkg | #420709:W[xlockmore] Please provide backport of xlockmore for etch (); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:36:01 UTC [] |
| 05:42.46 | TomWork | anyway thanks for your help |
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| 05:44.40 | vinc456 | gnome-screensaver might have a lock function that disables virtual consoles but i'm not sure |
| 05:44.52 | vinc456 | it's what is used by my university |
| 05:45.10 | TomWork | I'm using windowmaker |
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| 05:45.45 | TomWork | would be a shame to install all the gnome or kde libs and dependencies just for a simple xlock |
| 05:45.55 | TomWork | vinc456: thx anyway |
| 05:46.13 | pist0l-fish | hi again. I updated/installed a lot of stuff and now X is lagging really bad... (running XFCE) can anyone help? |
| 05:46.20 | streuner | !info vlock |
| 05:46.25 | dpkg | vlock: (Virtual Console locking program), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.2.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 05:47.04 | pist0l-fish | streuner: was that directed at me? |
| 05:47.49 | streuner | sure, /msg dpkg sid faq and read that first |
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| 05:49.13 | phretor | hi there |
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| 05:49.35 | pist0l-fish | streuner: it doesn't look like there is anything about X lagging |
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| 05:49.38 | aliases123 | hi does anyone know how accurate smart is on a disk. i have a new disk (seagate) and it reports that i have an expected lifetime of 603 hours on that disk. |
| 05:49.43 | needhelp | hi i need help on debian kernal 2.6+ with nfs, i keep having the nfs: server not responding still trying..., kernel: nfs: server OK repeatedly for all my nodes.. my server is kernal 2.6+ too.. i read and its about the blocksize thing, anyone know how to set the client to smaller blocksize? |
| 05:49.53 | pist0l-fish | it's lagging so bad too, it takes so long to ttype |
| 05:51.20 | needhelp | its exactly the problems in http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#Solution_when_using_Etherboot , but i'm not using ltsp nor pxe.. can anyone help pls? |
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| 05:52.02 | phretor | I've red plenty of discussion regarding the installation of Debian onto the old iMac G3. However, none of 'em are actually taking into account the issue that I'm having when booting the netinstall: briefly, after the bootable CD starts, the OpenFirmware is loaded and nothing happens. |
| 05:52.04 | TomWork | streuner: thx a lot, following dpkg help to backport a sid package works well. Now i have xlock :)) you make my day good :) |
| 05:52.13 | phretor | any hint? |
| 05:52.18 | streuner | TomWork: np |
| 05:53.40 | TomWork | se ya |
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| 05:57.05 | smhar | greetings |
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| 06:10.01 | aliases123 | hi there i see that debian lenny has less rc bugs then etch. which should i use at the present time. |
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| 06:12.24 | linostar | aliases123: if it's for a server, etch is more stable. if for an ordinary desktop or laptop, you better choose lenny |
| 06:12.55 | aliases123 | ok. so i will not upgrade my nas just yet then. as it is internet facing somewhat. |
| 06:15.39 | smhar | after a update upgrade session I got an error that continues even after several update upgrade attempts. The error is this: http://paste.debian.net/17860/ |
| 06:15.42 | linostar | aliases123: it is almost probably a short period before that lenny becomes stable |
| 06:16.17 | aliases123 | linostar: .... this is what i am considering. that is why i am thinking of doing the upgrade now as this nas isn't just an old computer its a small device. |
| 06:16.43 | aliases123 | will old stable receive security support as fast as the new stable ? |
| 06:16.49 | aliases123 | (when lenny goes stable) |
| 06:17.50 | linostar | aliases123: well, I'm not sure concerning that |
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| 06:18.51 | aliases123 | i am not sure of what usually happens. i have only been using linux as a primary os for a few years now. however, haven't moved from one stable to the next ever really. (i am on lenny now and i did upgrade the ubuntus i used a fair amount). |
| 06:19.15 | needhelp | its exactly the problems in http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#Solution_when_using_Etherboot , but i'm not using ltsp nor pxe.. can anyone help pls? |
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| 06:28.26 | aliases123 | how long does it take to resize ext3 btw |
| 06:29.11 | Lagbolt | aliases123, depends on how big it is |
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| 06:29.47 | aliases123 | well i have a 280gb partition what i want to make 270gb. and then i want to make a 470mb partition 10gb. |
| 06:29.58 | aliases123 | is there a mb/s rate ? |
| 06:30.06 | Lagbolt | aliases123, dunno, how long has it been going? |
| 06:30.18 | Lagbolt | i have seen it take as short as half hour and as long as 3 or more hours |
| 06:30.52 | aliases123 | its going to be going on a nas. which is a slow thing. only 400mhz. |
| 06:31.44 | Agiofws | hello |
| 06:31.46 | Agiofws | does anyone know what keywords or modules or configs do i need to get my laptop in sleep mode ? this does occur when i press fn + f1 but i can't seem to wake it up again and i have to press the power button for the whole operating system to reboot |
| 06:34.02 | enouf | Agiofws: sounds like you have a bad swpsusp or something |
| 06:35.01 | enouf | Agiofws: using s2disk? uswsusp? hibernation pkgs? powersaved? see lesswatts.org too |
| 06:35.31 | Lagbolt | so many . .. enouf which is considered the best option? |
| 06:36.41 | enouf | Lagbolt: i don't use any of them, so no idea |
| 06:36.46 | Agiofws | enouf, i was there but there is no doc. on sleep mode |
| 06:36.51 | enouf | Agiofws: ls /sys/power/state |
| 06:37.07 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$ls /sys/power/state |
| 06:37.25 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$cat /sys/power/state |
| 06:37.25 | Agiofws | standby mem disk |
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| 06:38.42 | enouf | heh - Agiofws figure out which pkgs you have installed - also see if you;re using laptop-mode - but the acpi* related pkgs are needed at the least, IINM - anyway .. you used to be able to do "echo disk > sys/power/state" to suspend to disk |
| 06:39.10 | enouf | erm, add a / to the front of sys/ |
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| 06:40.07 | enouf | Agiofws: some info about that at the bottom http://www.castalie.org/Linux/C610-ACPI.html but note; this is older info - older kernels |
| 06:40.12 | Agiofws | enouf, i have the cpu governours on |
| 06:40.26 | enouf | that's ok - thats cpufreqd related |
| 06:40.33 | enouf | !cpufreqd |
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| 06:40.40 | enouf | hrm |
| 06:40.58 | enouf | there are cpufreq-* commands for all that stuff, IIRC |
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| 06:42.35 | Agiofws | enouf, |
| 06:42.38 | Agiofws | Usually you do something like 'echo -n mem > /sys/power/state' for suspend to ram, and |
| 06:42.38 | Agiofws | 'echo -n disk > /sys/power/state' to hibernate. |
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| 06:43.21 | Lagbolt | Agiofws, you can install acpi-support and use /etc/acpi/sleep.sh and /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh |
| 06:43.33 | Lagbolt | Agiofws, they check to see what suspend options you have, might install pm-utils as well |
| 06:43.48 | enouf | Agiofws: if using a .26 kernel see http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/ find the cpu* dirs there, read - also see the feature-removal-schedule.txt file for info about some deprecated acpi stuffs, though my .26-1 Debian kernel still has /proc/acpi/* |
| 06:44.21 | enouf | apt-cache search ^acpi |
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| 06:45.37 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# cat /usr/src/linux-2.6.26.5/.config | grep -i ACPI | paste |
| 06:45.38 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/VkUaa279.html |
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| 06:45.55 | Agiofws | # CONFIG_ACPI_ASUS is not set my lapi is an asus one |
| 06:46.09 | enouf | Agiofws: i'm not going to go through your custom kernel configs |
| 06:46.14 | Agiofws | ok ok |
| 06:46.59 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
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| 06:47.17 | bbelt16ag | how would I find out when the samba version is going to be updated in etch? |
| 06:47.35 | enouf | Agiofws: fwiw - Debian's .26-1 is showing; ~$ grep CONFIG_ACPI_ASUS /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 06:47.36 | enouf | CONFIG_ACPI_ASUS=m |
| 06:47.48 | Agiofws | ok |
| 06:48.46 | enouf | bbelt16ag: etch/stable doesn't get updates/upgrades, unless they are security fixes |
| 06:49.10 | enouf | or severe unforeseen bug fixes (rare) |
| 06:49.31 | heyuxiang | where is the best place to set the locale ? ex LANG LANGUAGE ... etc |
| 06:49.34 | smhar | after a update upgrade session I got an error that continues even after several update upgrade attempts. The error is this: http://paste.debian.net/17861/ |
| 06:49.44 | bbelt16ag | well I am getting a error with samba atm |
| 06:49.52 | bbelt16ag | this error |
| 06:49.54 | bbelt16ag | http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2006-September/125552.html |
| 06:49.59 | bbelt16ag | in my log files |
| 06:50.13 | bbelt16ag | as far as I can tell my limited use of samba is not affected. |
| 06:50.28 | bbelt16ag | just workgroup no pass/username shares |
| 06:51.00 | smhar | it seems this is all because of fastjar thing, attempting to remove it will remove a bunch of important things |
| 06:51.47 | enouf | smhar: yep - and it seems the postrm/postinst scripts don't like the whole updtae-alternatives system |
| 06:51.49 | bbelt16ag | I am running 2.0.24 |
| 06:52.10 | enouf | bbelt16ag: sorry, i don't know samba well |
| 06:52.15 | Lagbolt | bbelt16ag, you can check the version of samba in lenny packages.debian.org |
| 06:52.44 | smhar | enouf: what to do then, I have been ignoring this for some time now, but I fear things might end up in a bad way |
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| 06:53.35 | enouf | smhar: try just apt-get/aptitude install mysql-server-5.0 policycoreutils (or any specific pkgs you need) |
| 06:53.47 | enouf | smhar: which release? etch? lenny? |
| 06:54.17 | enouf | smhar: also try passing aptitude the --without-recommends option |
| 06:54.25 | smhar | enouf: lenny |
| 06:54.25 | enouf | or -R, iirc |
| 06:55.20 | dudeman | enouf, #oswebdev |
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| 06:55.51 | enouf | and see if you update-alternatives system is in order, do as root sudo update-alternatives --config [TAB][TAB] or something |
| 06:56.04 | enouf | dudeman: i see, i'm already there |
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| 06:58.32 | Zoup | is there anyway to to make dpkg --configure -a to answer yes or no to all questions ? |
| 06:59.13 | SPF | Zoup: not all questions are yes or no questions |
| 07:00.46 | Zoup | SPF: well , ideal is 'safe' options , not to overwrite any config file , keep last changes , etc |
| 07:01.55 | bbelt16ag | its not a bug peeps |
| 07:02.01 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.04 | bbelt16ag | windbind |
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| 07:04.48 | adaml_ | sigh. |
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| 07:05.04 | adaml_ | anyone got x working with an old c&t card? |
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| 07:07.15 | drust_bis | hi |
| 07:07.54 | Luria_ | is ready to shoot himself |
| 07:08.36 | smhar | enouf: well, things improved but I still have fastjar http://paste.debian.net/17862/ |
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| 07:09.20 | boris_ | hello |
| 07:09.28 | enouf | smhar: try to purge remove it |
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| 07:11.14 | smhar | enouf: apt-get remove purge fastjar? |
| 07:11.42 | drust_bis | i've a bug with ata on debian, if someone have an idea: https://www.alterinet.org/beta/paste/205 |
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| 07:12.20 | enouf | smhar: --purge - please read the debian reference |
| 07:12.32 | enouf | man apt-get, man aptitude, etc |
| 07:12.58 | enouf | adama: c and t ? |
| 07:13.06 | smhar | enouf: I know I need to , but I never had the need to purge before |
| 07:13.18 | enouf | smhar: i purge often |
| 07:13.30 | enouf | smhar: all it does is also remove any config files |
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| 07:14.08 | enouf | Luria: c and t ? |
| 07:14.41 | binarymutant | does anyone know where I can find some bash vs fish shell comparisons? |
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| 07:15.02 | enouf | drust_bis: is that eSata connected? |
| 07:15.14 | enouf | ask #bash? |
| 07:15.34 | enouf | heh = ask #fish lmao |
| 07:15.34 | drust_bis | esata ? you mean an external driver connected with sata ? no |
| 07:15.49 | enouf | yes, esata == external |
| 07:15.49 | binarymutant | well I mean non-biased reviews |
| 07:16.09 | drust_bis | esata is available on the computer but I dont use it |
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| 07:16.38 | enouf | so, drust_bis when did this start happening? |
| 07:17.09 | drust_bis | enouf, for a long time |
| 07:17.15 | enouf | drust_bis: and does that only occur after coming out of a sleep/suspend/hibernate mode? |
| 07:17.50 | drust_bis | I just saw in the log that message appear often |
| 07:17.57 | enouf | is the drive connected though the expresscard port? |
| 07:18.21 | enouf | drust_bis: pastebin dmesg outpu |
| 07:18.22 | drust_bis | I don't know how it's connecter, I never opened the laptop |
| 07:18.30 | drust_bis | connected* |
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| 07:18.56 | smhar | enouf: OMG, it seems that this will end me in a dependency hell, |
| 07:19.06 | enouf | drust_bis: well, the expresscard port is external - so ok, it's an internal drive |
| 07:19.29 | drust_bis | dmesg : http://www.alterinet.org/beta/paste/206 |
| 07:19.36 | enouf | smhar: could be - that can happen when one uses Lenny and/or sid |
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| 07:21.26 | drust_bis | enouf, I'm started looking to solve this when a partition buged and fsck didn't showed bad block |
| 07:22.20 | Agiofws | enouf, echo -n mem > /sys/power/state echo -n disk > /sys/power/state do SEEM to work but i cannot get back to my desktop i just get a black screen any ideas ? |
| 07:22.53 | needhelp | hi i need help on debian kernal 2.6+ with nfs, i keep having the nfs: server not responding still trying..., kernel: nfs: server OK repeatedly for all my nodes.. my server is kernal 2.6+ too.. i read and its about the blocksize thing, anyone know how to set the client to smaller blocksize? |
| 07:23.17 | smhar | enouf: ok.. it seems these are the packages to be removed, I did a purge on them but still I get errors: http://paste.debian.net/17863/ |
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| 07:24.10 | enouf | drust_bis: that's not an issue |
| 07:24.12 | enouf | ata3.01: ATAPI: TSSTcorpCD/DVDW TS-L632D, AS05, max UDMA/33 |
| 07:24.26 | enouf | drust_bis: that's your silly DVD drive |
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| 07:24.49 | drust_bis | okay so this bug only affect dvd reading/writing |
| 07:25.21 | enouf | Agiofws: supposedly, when you use anyone of those - pressing the power button should NOT reboot, but restore the system state |
| 07:25.42 | enouf | Agiofws: how's your swap partition? the s2disk uses your swap |
| 07:26.01 | drust_bis | should I try to update the dvd firmware ? |
| 07:26.16 | Agiofws | the power ... button to get back ? hmm maybe i am pressing it for to long ithough you only had to press like a key or something |
| 07:26.25 | enouf | drust_bis: well - you might even get those warnings whenever a tool like lshw, hwinfo, etc is run (anything that scans the drives) |
| 07:26.38 | enouf | even at every sleep/wake interval |
| 07:27.01 | Agiofws | -/+ buffers/cache: 261 1762 |
| 07:27.01 | Agiofws | Swap: 6675 0 6675 |
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| 07:27.26 | enouf | drust_bis: no, it's ok - ata3: soft resetting link |
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| 08:51.37 | bolt-work | spam is only good with eggs and beans |
| 08:51.51 | bolt-work | and some additional spam, spam, spam and spam |
| 08:51.54 | bolt-work | (and beans) |
| 08:52.02 | Guerin | not very much spam in that |
| 08:52.13 | bolt-work | true. more spam needed |
| 08:52.31 | bolt-work | guerin! :D |
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| 08:58.45 | jkp | this should be really easy guys: how can i change the order in which the kernel sees the interface cards (SATA)? |
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| 08:58.57 | OpenTokix | jkp: you can't |
| 08:59.02 | jkp | the problem is that it is picking up the external disks before the internal one |
| 08:59.03 | OpenTokix | jkp: Do you have problems getting wrong root? |
| 08:59.18 | jkp | OpenTokix: yeah, ive added a new interface card and its screwed up the system in terms of fstab etc |
| 08:59.22 | OpenTokix | jkp: add a label to the filesystem and use root=LABEL=labelname instead |
| 08:59.25 | Lagbolt | jkp jst use UUIP or labels |
| 08:59.28 | Lagbolt | UUID that is |
| 08:59.29 | OpenTokix | jkp: and same in the fstab |
| 08:59.35 | OpenTokix | jkp: and you don't have to worry about it |
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| 09:00.10 | jkp | so the fact that it sees /dev/sda as /dev/sde is not a problem once im booted? |
| 09:00.16 | OpenTokix | jkp: for fstab you exchange /dev/sda2 with LABEL=sysroot or whatever label you set |
| 09:00.20 | gregg_man | hello. Is there a torrent downloader for headless debian? |
| 09:00.20 | OpenTokix | jkp: nope |
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| 09:00.28 | jkp | OpenTokix: how do i set a label? |
| 09:00.36 | OpenTokix | jkp: tune2ds |
| 09:00.40 | jkp | ive used UUID's in ubuntu but im on Deian lenny now |
| 09:00.40 | OpenTokix | upps |
| 09:00.42 | OpenTokix | tune2fs |
| 09:00.43 | Lagbolt | gregg_man, transmission has a CLI |
| 09:00.51 | OpenTokix | jkp: you can use uuid in debian to |
| 09:00.54 | OpenTokix | jkp: if you like it better |
| 09:00.55 | jkp | OpenTokix: you recommend that over UUID? |
| 09:00.59 | simonrvn | jkp: and? |
| 09:01.01 | jkp | no, i hate UUID :) |
| 09:01.06 | OpenTokix | jkp: I like labels, since it give me better control |
| 09:01.10 | jkp | OpenTokix: agreed |
| 09:01.12 | OpenTokix | jkp: and I can use the same on all machines |
| 09:01.19 | basdf1 | gregg_man: just pick no x |
| 09:01.23 | jkp | tests tune3fs |
| 09:01.26 | OpenTokix | ie. sysroot for root, sysvar for var etc. |
| 09:01.29 | OpenTokix | jkp: tune2fs |
| 09:01.33 | jkp | :) |
| 09:01.44 | Guerin | hm, ok |
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| 09:01.52 | gregg_man | basdf, Lagbolt transmission without x? is that what you mean? |
| 09:02.08 | Lagbolt | gregg_man, yes, is that what you were looking for? |
| 09:02.42 | Lagbolt | gregg_man, also --- bittornado - bittorrent client with enhanced curses interface |
| 09:02.43 | Guerin | is it more stupid to not use mpd because it won't play wma files (of which I have 125 in a collection of many thousands), or more stupid to re-encode all those lossy wma files to something else, at a loss of quality and/or disk space? |
| 09:02.46 | Lagbolt | can run it in a screen |
| 09:02.57 | Guerin | hm |
| 09:03.02 | jelly | gregg_man: rtorrent is ok, apart from the funny keybindings |
| 09:03.12 | OpenTokix | jkp: e2label will print the label of a filesystem |
| 09:03.36 | jkp | OpenTokix: thanks! (tune2fs doesnt give much feedback) |
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| 09:04.00 | jelly | Guerin: reencode them to a lossless format, with no additional quality degradation? |
| 09:04.00 | OpenTokix | jkp: tune2fs -L label /dev/sda1 |
| 09:04.21 | jelly | Guerin: and buy a larger disk |
| 09:04.34 | jkp | OpenTokix: yeah, got that bit, it just doesnt say what its done |
| 09:04.38 | jkp | checked with e2label |
| 09:04.40 | simonrvn | mpd is pretty nice... the stupid part is having to put up with wma |
| 09:04.42 | jkp | rebooting now |
| 09:04.43 | OpenTokix | jkp: =) |
| 09:04.56 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 09:05.33 | Guerin | tbh, i might just re-code them all to q10 vorbis or something - smaller than flac and probably not sounding no worse |
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| 09:06.09 | jelly | or add wma support to your favorite audio playing backend! |
| 09:06.21 | Guerin | well, currently I use cplay |
| 09:06.59 | Guerin | which supports everything - but I want a unified decoding backend so I can do shit like volume normalisation, and mplayer won't seek through the cplay interface |
| 09:07.09 | Guerin | (if you've found a way to make it, let me know) |
| 09:07.15 | jkp | hmmm - that hasnt worked as expected |
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| 09:09.49 | gregg_man | jelly, what do you mean with funny keybindings? |
| 09:10.13 | jelly | gregg_man: it has unusual keyboard commands |
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| 09:10.38 | gregg_man | ws.. jelly can you recommend bittornado too? |
| 09:10.48 | jelly | I use rtorrent |
| 09:10.53 | simonrvn | bittornado is ok |
| 09:11.04 | simonrvn | haven't used that one |
| 09:11.08 | jkp | OpenTokix: i used the label "boot" i think its conflicting with the directory name |
| 09:11.14 | jkp | is that likely? |
| 09:11.20 | gregg_man | simonrvn, thanks for that. But you haven't used it :) |
| 09:11.29 | OpenTokix | jkp: no |
| 09:11.45 | OpenTokix | jkp: root=LABEL=boot |
| 09:12.17 | jkp | its fstab i think that has the problem OpenTokix |
| 09:12.34 | jkp | it does bott, but it tries to check the boot partition and tells me that its a directory |
| 09:12.37 | jkp | *boot |
| 09:12.42 | OpenTokix | jkp: ok |
| 09:12.46 | OpenTokix | jkp: Then change the label |
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| 09:13.23 | jon_ | maybe you don't have a separate boot partition |
| 09:13.25 | jkp | yeah, doing so now |
| 09:13.29 | jkp | jon_: i do :) |
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| 09:14.38 | OpenTokix | I have never understod the idea with a boot-partition |
| 09:14.45 | OpenTokix | unless you use some funky Fs like XFS |
| 09:15.08 | jkp | OpenTokix: it tells me that there is "No such file or directory whilst trying to open boot-partition" (which is the label i gave it |
| 09:15.20 | jkp | this is fsck |
| 09:15.32 | jkp | do i just use the label, unaddorned in fstab? |
| 09:15.35 | simonrvn | /boot is handy for stuff life s/w raid or lvm / |
| 09:16.10 | simonrvn | LABEL=foo /mount/point fs args dump check |
| 09:16.16 | jkp | ahhhh :) |
| 09:16.19 | jkp | ok, theres my problem |
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| 09:16.40 | basdf1 | mount: /dev/sda2: can't read superblock |
| 09:16.40 | basdf1 | ok ? |
| 09:16.43 | simonrvn | in grub or lilo or something it's root=LABEL=foo |
| 09:16.56 | OpenTokix | yes |
| 09:17.09 | jkp | simonrvn: not needed because im not touching a labled system from grub |
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| 09:17.45 | ppalmes | if my computer is behind two gateways comp1 -> F1 -> F2 -> comp2, is it possible to have virtual connection from comp1 to comp2 using ssh? |
| 09:18.10 | wols | ppalmes: with enough portforwardin:yes |
| 09:18.38 | ceil420 | can i just restore xorg.conf to original and apt-get remove *fglrx* to get rid of said bugshit driver? |
| 09:18.45 | ppalmes | wols: how? for example if i want to see the website of comp2 from comp1? |
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| 09:18.50 | jkp | crosses his fingers |
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| 09:19.16 | basdf1 | um how do i use fdisk to make a new partition be 3gb ? |
| 09:19.29 | ppalmes | wols: meaning i want to tunnel the port 80 from comp2 to comp1 |
| 09:19.32 | wols | ppalmes: jkust enter the ip of comp2 |
| 09:19.38 | bolt-work | ppalmes: forward port 80 (probably) of F1 to port 80 on F2. repeat with F2 and comp2 |
| 09:19.40 | ceil420 | i thought gparted was the usual partition makin' program |
| 09:19.41 | wols | no tunnel necessary there |
| 09:19.55 | bolt-work | ppalmes: then use comp1 to connect to F1 as if the webpage was there |
| 09:20.03 | jkp | OpenTokix / simonrvn: thanks boys, you've sored that one out for me :) |
| 09:20.07 | joltcan | basdf1: use cfdisk, it's nice |
| 09:20.07 | ppalmes | bolt-work: thanks. |
| 09:20.13 | basdf1 | i can't use that |
| 09:20.16 | jkp | finally, i think im good to go with this SATA nonsense |
| 09:20.18 | basdf1 | em linux not my choice |
| 09:20.22 | OpenTokix | jkp: np |
| 09:20.48 | wols | basdf1: we only support debian |
| 09:20.58 | basdf1 | you have a point, but i'm installing debian |
| 09:21.12 | ppalmes | bolt-work: can you give me one example ssh forward statment between let's say F1 to F2 |
| 09:21.17 | wols | then what is "em linux"? |
| 09:21.40 | wols | ppalmes: there is nothing needed to access any comp2 port from com1 |
| 09:21.43 | wols | *comp1 |
| 09:21.45 | OpenTokix | "I use party linux.jp but I am installing debian on another machien, can you help me with party linux?" =) |
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| 09:21.54 | jkp | what kind of speed do you lot see out of sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sdb on a sata disk? |
| 09:22.12 | OpenTokix | ppalmes: I would use a 3rd machine outside the fw-hell and ssh thru |
| 09:22.14 | ppalmes | wols: port 80 is blocked by F1 and F2 |
| 09:22.14 | wols | jkp: differs. 50-100MB/s sustained |
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| 09:22.23 | wols | ppalmes: blocked HOW? |
| 09:22.29 | jkp | wols: so 100Mbs is not bad then |
| 09:22.45 | wols | jkp: ##hardware |
| 09:22.54 | jkp | wols: kk |
| 09:23.10 | ppalmes | wols: not blocked... the problem is the ip address of both are not known to each other. |
| 09:23.29 | ppalmes | wols: i cannot ping directly between comp1 and comp2 |
| 09:23.33 | wols | ppalmes: then you cannot access it.your need a hostname or ip. always. no matter what |
| 09:23.45 | bolt-work | ppalmes: what is it you are trying to do here? and why is your setup like this? |
| 09:24.03 | bolt-work | wols: unless the routers take care of that and he uses their ip addresses |
| 09:24.09 | ppalmes | bolt-work: university firewall from one dept to another... |
| 09:24.31 | bolt-work | ppalmes: and you don't have access to configure the routers? |
| 09:24.37 | ppalmes | bolt-work: so private network of one is not accessible to the other. you have to login to gateway. |
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| 09:24.44 | ppalmes | bolt-work: nope. |
| 09:24.46 | wols | bolt-work: a router which portforwards ALL ports? nothing anyone wants |
| 09:24.51 | jkp | one more question, i added some options to menu.lst, wheres the correct place to put them so they get picked up when this is regenerated? |
| 09:25.06 | wols | jkp: depends on the options |
| 09:25.12 | jkp | edd=off |
| 09:25.36 | wols | ppalmes: use a VPN if both comps are in a separate private network |
| 09:25.41 | basdf | ok no matter what i do /dev/sda2 is only 470mb. |
| 09:25.50 | simonrvn | one of the ## kopts or whatever |
| 09:25.52 | wols | jkp: edd=off is what opption? there is no "edd" |
| 09:26.03 | ppalmes | wols: so i install vpn where? |
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| 09:26.16 | wols | ppalmes: on both of your hosts |
| 09:26.17 | ppalmes | wols: in comp1 and comp2? |
| 09:26.28 | bolt-work | ppalmes: if you don't have access to the routers, you have to cheat and go through some external machine which both machines can access, either with vpn, or just logging on to the same machine from comp1 and comp2 and forwarding some ports there |
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| 09:27.06 | wols | and you need port forwarding on the routers. or you need a 3rd computer pingable by both |
| 09:27.19 | jkp | edd=off is a kernel option |
| 09:27.29 | ppalmes | bolt-work: i see. it is clear. so i will setup: comp1 -> my_external_machine -> comp2 |
| 09:27.31 | wols | jkp: # kopts then |
| 09:27.33 | ppalmes | bolt-work: is that it? |
| 09:27.40 | bolt-work | ppalmes: that'd work |
| 09:27.50 | wols | ppalmes: comp1 -> external machine <- comp2 rather |
| 09:27.51 | bolt-work | ppalmes: bounce off your home computer or somesuch |
| 09:28.11 | ppalmes | bolt-work: yep. i can access my home computer in both machines |
| 09:28.26 | ppalmes | bolt-work: is it illegal? |
| 09:28.26 | bolt-work | ppalmes: or there are plenty of 1 dollar donation shell servers you could sign up to |
| 09:28.41 | jkp | wols: in the same file? |
| 09:28.46 | bolt-work | ppalmes: probably goes against your local network regulations, but not by law, no |
| 09:28.51 | wols | ppalmes: not illegal but possibly against uni AUP |
| 09:29.13 | ppalmes | bolt-work: and this donation shell i can setup ssh forwarding and vpn? |
| 09:29.36 | wols | very unlikely |
| 09:29.48 | OpenTokix | ppalmes: use a virtual machine from amazon |
| 09:29.53 | bolt-work | wols: silenceisdefeat let you forward ports. done it before |
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| 09:30.09 | ppalmes | generally, can i port-forward twice? or is it not possible? |
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| 09:30.37 | wols | ppalmes: you can. but for general access ssh is very limited, vpn is better |
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| 09:30.53 | ppalmes | wols: now it's clear. thanks. |
| 09:31.03 | doudou | Hi, dotgnu or something else? just to learn, what have best future? ajax is enought? |
| 09:31.16 | bolt-work | ppalmes: what are you doing this for anyway? |
| 09:31.28 | ppalmes | wols: you mean vpn allows access as if im in the same network... so no need to port forward each port. |
| 09:31.32 | wols | doudou: do you have a debian related question? |
| 09:31.46 | wols | ppalmes: yes, it creates your pwn little network |
| 09:32.15 | doudou | wols, i supposed it was a debian packages related question |
| 09:32.24 | wols | doudou: it was gibberish |
| 09:32.24 | ppalmes | bolt-work: i am running some apps in another server in another lab and i want ssh X11 forwarding and other things so that i don't need to go to the terminal. |
| 09:32.45 | bolt-work | ppalmes: you could also do dynamic port forwarding and use the other machine as a proxy btw |
| 09:32.45 | Guerin | success! |
| 09:32.49 | doudou | wols, what is gibberish? |
| 09:33.05 | wols | doudou: if you want help, speak clear english. what you asked makes no sense |
| 09:33.08 | ppalmes | bolt-work: what package is that? |
| 09:33.22 | bolt-work | ppalmes: ssh :) google for a howto |
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| 09:33.31 | Guerin | some clever Nord has hacked on cplay so it can haz mplayer seeking |
| 09:33.32 | ppalmes | bolt-work: the other machine you mean my home computer? |
| 09:33.48 | ComradeHaz | o.O |
| 09:33.48 | Guerin | no need to re-code all my evil wma files |
| 09:33.51 | ComradeHaz | haz? |
| 09:33.58 | ComradeHaz | you called?! :D |
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| 09:34.03 | ppalmes | bolt-work: i think vpn is easier and secured also. |
| 09:34.09 | Guerin | ComradeHaz: what haz you? |
| 09:34.13 | doudou | wols, should i learn dotgnu or mono or something else? |
| 09:34.16 | ComradeHaz | :D |
| 09:34.20 | bolt-work | ppalmes: whatever suits your needs |
| 09:34.29 | ComradeHaz | gerroff my highlisht list :-P |
| 09:34.33 | wols | doudou: for what end? |
| 09:34.37 | ppalmes | bolt-work: thanks anyway. but ill read on that too. better more options. |
| 09:34.41 | rainabba | I've installed squashfs-tools but still can't mount -o loop a squashfs image. What am I missing? |
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| 09:34.45 | Guerin | make your highlisht list less fail :) |
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| 09:35.09 | ppalmes | bolt-work: university security policy is actually anti research and anti productive. |
| 09:35.10 | wols | rainabba: an error message |
| 09:35.36 | bolt-work | ppalmes: always is. that's why you have computer labs for such things :) |
| 09:35.52 | rainabba | I try "mount -t squashfs -o loop grml-medium.squashfs mnt/" and I get "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0," |
| 09:36.15 | doudou | wols, the end to study a usefull technologie and not to loose time with something already dead |
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| 09:36.39 | wols | doudou: not a debian support question. good day |
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| 09:37.20 | ppalmes | bolt-work: always lots of trouble to access different machines for simulation. vpn and port forwarding knowledge are necessary for these stuffs to make my life easier. otherwise, i need to do all the walking. |
| 09:37.21 | wols | rainabba: tried file on the image? |
| 09:37.21 | doudou | wols, debian made a study about mostly used packages, where are results? |
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| 09:37.29 | basdf | ~popcon |
| 09:37.30 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:37.32 | wols | !tell doudou about popcon |
| 09:37.38 | rainabba | wols: Don't understand the question. |
| 09:37.45 | wols | rainabba: man file |
| 09:37.51 | rainabba | rgr |
| 09:37.55 | LV_426 | isn't echo'ing into /dev/pts/X equivalent to issuing a command in that terminal ? |
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| 09:38.21 | rainabba | wols: data |
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| 09:38.57 | ppalmes | bolt-work: would the sysad know what im doing? would they discover i am using vpn or port forwarding for this? |
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| 09:39.01 | simonrvn | LV_426: no |
| 09:39.12 | wols | ppalmes: yes |
| 09:39.29 | ppalmes | wols: heh. no way to hide this thing eh? |
| 09:39.32 | wols | ppalmes: they cannot see _what_ you do if they are clever but they see moving data |
| 09:39.33 | simonrvn | you're not executing anything, just passing data through a tube, basically |
| 09:39.46 | wols | *if you are clever |
| 09:39.48 | jon_ | LV_426: it's doing the same thing as if a shell would echo the same thing |
| 09:39.54 | ppalmes | wols: you mean the connection between c1 to my home to c2? |
| 09:40.07 | bolt-work | wols: how would you single out an ssh connection which is forwarding a couple of ports from a regular ssh connection with some traffic on it? |
| 09:40.15 | simonrvn | exactly. does nothing but print whatever was echoed |
| 09:40.26 | wols | ppalmes: and they see it's encrypted so they will come down on you. yes the connections between them |
| 09:40.59 | ppalmes | wols: what if i do several ssh connections on both sides... and one of them is port forwarding? |
| 09:41.00 | wols | bolt-work: you see an encrypted connection. given enough data moved, they will notice |
| 09:41.10 | wols | that's all they need |
| 09:41.27 | ppalmes | wols: ah you mean, statistically speaking. there will lots of spikes between the two connections. |
| 09:41.40 | wols | ppalmes: doesn't matter. it's simply the amount of data. you doing more connections make them spot it sooner |
| 09:42.14 | doudou | what is name of package dotgnu |
| 09:42.26 | LV_426 | simonrvn, ok, i see - so what fd is used as the shell's input ? |
| 09:42.29 | doudou | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.37 | ppalmes | wols: the irony is that the comps are 2 meters away from my office but they are on different network :(. |
| 09:42.39 | gregg_man | can bittornado still could continue downloading eventhough the client downloading from remote location will log-off? |
| 09:43.24 | ppalmes | use cli bittorrent and screen |
| 09:44.06 | bolt-work | ppalmes: if both of those computers are yours, how about an ad-hoc wireless network? :D |
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| 09:44.50 | LV_426 | lsof shows only /dev/pts/X files... |
| 09:44.51 | wols | heck, 2 NICs and a cable :) |
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| 09:45.03 | bolt-work | wols: that might be noticed again, though |
| 09:45.05 | simonrvn | eh? i'm not too sure tb, but i suppose it'd be its stdin |
| 09:45.09 | simonrvn | tbh* |
| 09:45.18 | bolt-work | wols: people tripping over the new cable in the corridor :) |
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| 09:45.35 | ppalmes | bolt-work: it's lab computer so they may not like the idea of connecting wired thru the univ network and connect them wireless to another network. security risk. |
| 09:45.56 | bolt-work | ppalmes: so is your port forwarding :) |
| 09:45.57 | gregg_man | ppalmes, you mean it is better than bittornado in the since that I could still continue downloading torrents even if I'm going exit the application? I'm connecting to my debian box at home. |
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| 09:46.22 | bolt-work | gregg_man: you can use whatever client you want. just run it in screen |
| 09:46.38 | ppalmes | gregg_man: run screen... use rtorrent... then detach from screen. |
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| 09:47.22 | gregg_man | ppalmes, what do you mean with run screen and detach from screen? |
| 09:47.36 | simonrvn | though i suspect it's just what's around it, the pseudo-terminal |
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| 09:48.01 | bolt-work | gregg_man: screen is a piece of software. download. read manual. try. experience happiness. |
| 09:48.18 | simonrvn | bolt-work++ |
| 09:48.28 | ppalmes | gregg_man: ctrl-A-D will detach you from screen but screen will continue to run containing your torrent program... later you can login again and issue screen -r to return to screen. |
| 09:48.41 | Ethern | Hi. Im trying to install debian 4.0r4 on a server here. I know the network card uses the tg3 module because Ive had slackware on it before where it was using tg3 with no problem. However now, loading tg3 module gives me no eth0 :/ Searching gives me that there have been issues with firmware loading but that those issues should have been resolved by now. |
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| 09:49.39 | wols | Ethern: what kernel verions? |
| 09:49.43 | gregg_man | ppalmes, got what you mean. Thanks. Can I simply have it downloaded and installed with an aptitude install rtorrent? |
| 09:49.44 | ppalmes | gregg_man: screen should be one of the first programs you should know in Debian. |
| 09:49.55 | ppalmes | gregg_man: yep. |
| 09:50.32 | ppalmes | gregg_man: or you can try the cli of transmission. |
| 09:50.37 | simonrvn | it's one of the first things i install if it isn't |
| 09:50.48 | ppalmes | gregg_man: it has web access. |
| 09:50.51 | Ethern | wols, well since I havnt been able to update it, 2.6.18 |
| 09:50.52 | gregg_man | I've been running debian but I haven't tried screen yet.. |
| 09:51.18 | simonrvn | screen, mc, vim, gpm |
| 09:51.19 | ppalmes | gregg_man: you miss a lot. irssi should run under screen also :) |
| 09:51.21 | gregg_man | ppalmes, maybe cli with webaccess is better for me |
| 09:51.40 | ppalmes | gregg_man: up to you man. |
| 09:51.46 | simonrvn | vim-full, not -tiny |
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| 09:52.03 | gregg_man | ppalmes, can you now point me to a wiki/how to for cli transmission? |
| 09:52.22 | simonrvn | (didn't used to be called that, that's relatively new) |
| 09:52.25 | gregg_man | ppalmes, yeah.. with that I miss a lot. I admit ;) |
| 09:52.33 | simonrvn | transmission --help |
| 09:52.34 | ppalmes | gregg_man: apt-cache show transmission-cli and google the rest |
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| 09:53.44 | gregg_man | ppalmes, Unable to locate package transmission-cli |
| 09:54.40 | ppalmes | gregg_man: transmissioncli |
| 09:54.48 | ppalmes | gregg_man: enable bash_completion |
| 09:54.55 | ppalmes | !bash_completion |
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| 09:55.05 | ppalmes | eh? |
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| 09:56.29 | lxsameer | That Was Just Your Life - Death Magnetic - Metallica (x«amarok) |
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| 09:57.27 | ppalmes | gregg_man: http://lifehacker.com/346634/remote-control-your-bittorrent-downloads-with-clutch |
| 09:57.31 | jelly | lxsameer: please disable thaat |
| 09:57.40 | drkwolf | where's kernel-source-2.6 ? |
| 09:58.13 | lxsameer | jelly : i do that before sorry that is auto start |
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| 09:58.28 | drkwolf | apt-get-install kernel-source-2.6 -> Package.. not available |
| 09:58.30 | liable | lxsameer: turn that off, ktnxbye |
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| 09:58.50 | liable | drkwolf: there isnt a meta package for kernel source |
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| 09:59.43 | wols | it's not named "kernel*" either anymore |
| 09:59.44 | gregg_man | ppalmes, is screen installed by default in debian box? |
| 09:59.52 | wols | gregg_man: no |
| 10:00.08 | ppalmes | gregg_man: nope |
| 10:00.08 | gregg_man | wols, okay. Aptitude install screen? |
| 10:00.10 | lxsameer | i have big trouble with compiling glibc info : http://phpfi.com/356496 |
| 10:00.28 | ppalmes | gregg_man: aptitude not capital letter |
| 10:00.32 | liable | lxsameer: why on earth are you doing that? |
| 10:00.55 | wols | lxsameer: why do you compile it? |
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| 10:01.06 | lxsameer | liable: for a lfs system |
| 10:01.08 | wols | liable: I sense a gentoosmite |
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| 10:01.20 | liable | wols: very close, you get half a cigar |
| 10:01.21 | wols | lxsameer: that's nice. now look at the channel name |
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| 10:01.34 | wols | lxsameer: and stop asking about lfs |
| 10:02.08 | lxsameer | wols: hay dude i have debian as host system and i think my problem is in my host system |
| 10:02.18 | liable | i dont see why people say its even a learning experience. you just follow a recipe |
| 10:02.19 | wols | lxsameer: no it's not |
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| 10:02.45 | drkwolf | it's linux-source* |
| 10:03.27 | jelly | liable: so, cooking something for the first time isn't a learning experience? |
| 10:03.32 | Kovensky | liable: having a recipe is less frustrating than having to guess it all :) |
| 10:03.41 | ppalmes | gregg_man: debian transmission has no web interface. |
| 10:05.12 | liable | jelly: cooking no. but the supposed learning experience from lfs, to me, seems a crock. |
| 10:05.16 | Kovensky | aptitude and dpkg? where's apt-get? |
| 10:05.22 | ppalmes | gregg_man: but you can try http://mymadcat.com/spip/Transmission-web,5.html |
| 10:06.48 | doudou | is debian kernel vanilla one? |
| 10:06.53 | Kovensky | liable: if you don't already know it, then you will pay attention to the recipe instead of just following it, then you will learn about the basic components of a minimal linux system and how they relate to each other |
| 10:07.02 | liable | drkwolf: many patches added |
| 10:07.32 | bolt-work | argh. controlling this laptop through synergy, and every hour the screen goes black and i have to push a key locally. no bios options for this. IBM must die. |
| 10:07.51 | bolt-work | hm.. |
| 10:07.58 | bolt-work | places a rock on printscreen |
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| 10:08.23 | bolt-work | no. wait. fn-key :D |
| 10:08.26 | Kovensky | btw, what do I need to install to get suspend/hybernate/resume working? do dpkg/aptitude know? :P |
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| 10:08.43 | themill | !suspend troubleshooting |
| 10:08.43 | dpkg | A guide for troubleshooting suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk problems is at http://en.opensuse.org/S2ram . The tools it talks about are available in the debian package uswsusp. |
| 10:08.45 | jkp | hi all, i need to add some kernel opts to menu.lst in a way that when it is regenerated they stay there |
| 10:09.02 | jkp | i added them to kopts in that file, but when i removed an old kernel version it wrote over everything |
| 10:09.12 | bolt-work | jkp: add them in the kopts= statement |
| 10:09.16 | bolt-work | jkp: further up |
| 10:09.22 | jkp | bolt-work: yeah, i did this |
| 10:09.50 | bolt-work | jkp: apparently not. you shouldn't alter the autogenerated lines, just the options on the top. |
| 10:09.51 | liable | you didnt uncomment them did you? |
| 10:09.52 | themill | bolt-work: /msg dpkg screen blanking To wake up from black screen I need to press a local key but I don't need to press one to stop the black screen. nfc how I have that set up though :( |
| 10:10.32 | bolt-work | themill: i've already disabled both screen blanking and dpms. still goes off |
| 10:10.53 | themill | :( |
| 10:11.07 | jkp | bolt-work: do i remove the comment mark? (#)? |
| 10:11.15 | liable | no |
| 10:11.15 | jelly | jkp: no. |
| 10:11.32 | liable | it plainly states not to further up |
| 10:11.55 | bolt-work | themill: think it's a bios issue. it's an old, VERY old, ibm thinkpad 380ed, which now serves as my irssi-machine at work. ahh, the nostalgia. anyway, it has a screen that's probably very prone to burn-ins, so i'd think it's hardcoded for that reason |
| 10:12.04 | jelly | that setup is anything but plain |
| 10:12.21 | bolt-work | jkp: read the comments around the line you're changing |
| 10:13.11 | jkp | bolt-work: thanks, sorry, was being dumb :p |
| 10:13.28 | jkp | that worked |
| 10:16.39 | bolt-work | jkp: :) |
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| 10:19.44 | Kovensky | themill: I mean, how to make GNOME show Suspend/Hybernate when I put it to shut down |
| 10:19.46 | Lindsey | I have to internet connections here, how can I make rules which application uses which adapter for internet? |
| 10:19.57 | Kovensky | it shows on my desktop, but not on my portable debian |
| 10:20.15 | petemc | Lindsey: /msg dpkg split access |
| 10:21.10 | Lindsey | petemc, that's only by remote IPs and not by application right? |
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| 10:22.00 | petemc | Lindsey: im not sure what you mean, its the method you need to employ if you have two gateways |
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| 10:23.56 | themill | Kovensky: ahh... do you have gnome-power-manager installed and are you a member of the powerdev group? (I don't use gnome so I can't tell you much more) |
| 10:24.06 | Akuw | hi |
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| 10:24.18 | enouf | the only other thing might be to play with your iproute configs, sysctl tunings - but to be able to tell each app which adapter or route to use? would depend on app's configurability options? |
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| 10:24.20 | Akuw | i need to rename various files at the same time |
| 10:24.34 | Kovensky | themill: I'm a member of EVERY group :) |
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| 10:25.04 | enouf | mmv? |
| 10:25.12 | Akuw | for example, i have V98765432 and need to chage to 98765435, deleting only V |
| 10:25.30 | Akuw | but i have 100 files |
| 10:25.42 | bolt-work | Akuw: what enouf said |
| 10:26.12 | Akuw | ok, mv, but how to rename 100 files at the same time |
| 10:26.23 | Kovensky | themill: hmm... I tought I had gnome-power-manager installed, but apt-get says no :P |
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| 10:26.43 | enouf | mmv wasn't a typo Akuw |
| 10:27.09 | themill | or use rename |
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| 10:28.01 | Jester_Racer | k |
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| 10:29.59 | Mallxs | What is the meta pkg to install a developer env ..... I did install gcc but that did not bring me the header files ? |
| 10:30.17 | petemc | !b-e Mallxs |
| 10:30.18 | dpkg | Mallxs: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 10:30.18 | enouf | build-essential |
| 10:30.26 | Akuw | i need to remove V |
| 10:30.35 | Mallxs | Thx |
| 10:30.52 | enouf | you could likely just use sed then |
| 10:31.06 | enouf | better be good with regex :-p |
| 10:31.14 | linostar | Akuw: it could be something like: rename 's/(.)(.*)/\2/' * |
| 10:31.57 | themill | rename 's/V//' (given the example) |
| 10:32.03 | Akuw | how can i say remove V from *.GIF |
| 10:32.18 | enouf | linostar: heh - i see female anatomy parts there |
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| 10:32.44 | Akuw | ok |
| 10:32.46 | linostar | enouf: how is that? |
| 10:32.47 | Akuw | that works |
| 10:32.54 | enouf | linostar: nm |
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| 10:35.13 | Mallxs | Boy: i try to build nprobe from src .... Looks buggy ... do you know of a pkg for this ? |
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| 10:41.25 | pseubodot | 1e1e2 |
| 10:41.44 | pseubodot | eeps, infants and keyboards don't mix |
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| 10:46.39 | Raylz | sry to ask, where are the bugs listed, that are keeping lenny away from stable? |
| 10:47.11 | Lagbolt | debian.org probably :) |
| 10:47.22 | Raylz | Lagbolt: ye, but where ^^ |
| 10:47.32 | Lagbolt | hang on, i am looking. i have seen it before |
| 10:47.33 | liable | !rc bugs |
| 10:47.33 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html or http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=lenny |
| 10:47.41 | Raylz | ty liable |
| 10:47.45 | liable | np |
| 10:48.14 | liable | its not neccessarily rc bugs keeping lenny from going stable though |
| 10:49.00 | aidehua | When I plug my USB drive in, dmesg says that 'write protect is on' and I can only mount the disk ro. How can I mount it rw? |
| 10:49.23 | aidehua | (FWIW, this is on my NSLU2 (arm) device. I can mount the disk rw on my PC.) |
| 10:49.49 | Lagbolt | aidehua, what is the file system? fat? ntfs? |
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| 10:49.57 | aidehua | Lagbolt: ext3 |
| 10:50.01 | Trewas | and they'll remove buggy packages (if they are not too important) from testing at some point, which is very fast easy way to fix bugs |
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| 10:50.27 | Raylz | liable: works like a charm already ;) |
| 10:50.37 | aidehua | Lagbolt: ...though it's the device itself that is marked as 'write protect', not the filesystem. |
| 10:51.09 | Lagbolt | aidehua, not sure, if it works on your PC. when you say works on your PC what are you trying it on now? |
| 10:51.34 | aidehua | Lagbolt: an ARM PC running etch. |
| 10:51.44 | Raylz | does anyone know how to get the system sounds working in lenny? |
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| 10:52.05 | Raylz | the ones in system->settings->audio |
| 10:52.12 | aidehua | There's probably some usb-storage related tool for adjust this write-protect feature. |
| 10:53.59 | Lagbolt | aidehua, so no physical protect that you might have accidently switched? |
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| 10:54.57 | aidehua | Lagbolt: I was just thinking that, and literally just standing up to go and check :D |
| 10:55.26 | aidehua | Nope. No switch on this USB hard disk. |
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| 10:57.42 | cga | hi all, o've installed virtualbox-ose and the correct kernel modules on sid but virtualbox complaints that the module ain't the correct one. any idea? |
| 10:57.49 | cga | *i've |
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| 11:15.11 | kasimon | Hi, could someone confirm to me that rm -f does not delete directories in lenny? |
| 11:15.27 | enouf | use -r |
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| 11:15.43 | enouf | or rmdir for empty dirs |
| 11:16.07 | kasimon | enouf: i know -r, i'm currently reporting a bug to rancid-core which is only in lenny and which i backported myself. |
| 11:16.31 | kasimon | enouf: just wanted to make sure it doesn't work in lenny too |
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| 11:17.01 | enouf | rm -f isn't supposed to delete dirs, afiak |
| 11:17.05 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 11:17.10 | kasimon | enouf: thx |
| 11:17.45 | Fox_1_ | people which smtp server do you suggest for debian etch (should have virtual hosts)? |
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| 11:29.09 | liable | Fox_1_: i like postfix. some like exim. decide for yourself. mail is hard. |
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| 11:33.50 | rvsjoen | Fox_1_ : how did that ip lookup go in the end? |
| 11:35.25 | bolt-work | Fox_1_: postfix is my mta of choice |
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| 11:38.27 | Fox_1_ | rvsjoen: sorry? |
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| 11:39.39 | rvsjoen | you were writing some code to get the ip address of a device the other day ? or at least someone with your nick did :p |
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| 11:40.09 | Fox_1_ | ohhh, yeah |
| 11:40.17 | Fox_1_ | :) |
| 11:40.30 | Fox_1_ | I have done it :) |
| 11:40.39 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 11:40.39 | dpkg | perlmonkey: grow a sense of humor |
| 11:41.18 | rvsjoen | nice, I sent you an email with some example code but it came back non-existent. |
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| 11:41.34 | rvsjoen | anyway if you did it it doesnt matter |
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| 11:43.55 | biopyte | folks, i'd like to connect my keyboard via midi(usb) to my laptop. whats a good midi app to start with (just to test if the kb is recognized)? |
| 11:44.49 | Fox_1_ | rvsjoen: ok, thanks :) |
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| 11:48.32 | Canaris_ | Hey. I have a little problem: I am running current Lenny and so far everything works alright I just tried setting up my Wifi using a D-Link GWL-D122 rev.C USB-Stick. It works fine and "iwlist wlan0 scan" show my WPA protected wifi-router. nm-applet also shows my network. But as soon as I try to connect and enter my password (using nm-applet) it just does NOT connect |
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| 11:49.15 | Canaris_ | "dmesg | grep rt" shows no errors of not finding the firmware. (I put rt73.bin into /lib/firmware so not a surprise) |
| 11:49.39 | Canaris_ | But the problem is that i just doens't connect to my WPA-wifi-network. And yes the password is correct :) |
| 11:50.50 | enouf | !wpasupplicant |
| 11:50.51 | dpkg | methinks wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). http://wiki.debian.org/WPA |
| 11:51.16 | Canaris_ | enouf, the wpasupplicant packages is installed of course |
| 11:51.18 | enouf | Canaris_: ^^^ |
| 11:51.59 | Canaris_ | enouf, r u saying I should just setup my wifi manually, not using nm-applet? |
| 11:52.21 | wols | are you sure your rt73 works with wpa? |
| 11:52.35 | wols | ie, the linux driver supports it? |
| 11:52.40 | Canaris_ | wols, well it should yes |
| 11:53.05 | Canaris_ | wols, iwlist wlan0 scan shows my wifi-network so it seems like its working, why? |
| 11:53.06 | wols | should doesn't always mean does, right? |
| 11:53.16 | wols | Canaris_: that's not what I asked |
| 11:53.51 | PiousMinion | Agiofws: make sure you are a member of the powerdev group. That fixed sleep instantly for me. :) |
| 11:54.13 | Canaris_ | wols, how can I check if it works? |
| 11:54.20 | wols | google |
| 11:54.21 | enouf | OMG @ ~$ modinfo rt [TAB][TAB] |
| 11:54.42 | enouf | ahh, most are rtc- |
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| 11:56.31 | enouf | author: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com |
| 11:56.51 | enouf | (twas looking for parms, no parms) |
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| 12:01.18 | varlon | xorg 1.4 was released today, it's will not included in debian lenny? |
| 12:01.24 | ALVAN | does someone here uses boxbackup application ? |
| 12:01.39 | varlon | * xorg 7.4 |
| 12:01.45 | wols | varlon: lenny is frozen |
| 12:02.46 | PiousMinion | Do we know what the name of the next testing will be yet? I know I'm jumping the gun a bit, but I'm curious. :P |
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| 12:03.04 | mrec_ | hi, does anyone know a good gui mp3 id3v1 editor? |
| 12:03.37 | themill | !squeeze |
| 12:03.37 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the release to follow Lenny. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 12:03.52 | PiousMinion | sweet |
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| 12:06.08 | varlon | "squeeze" :-)) in russian it's pronunces like "skveez[i]" :-) |
| 12:06.15 | somebee_ | hi. how do I set my system time in debian? Its 30 minutes early |
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| 12:07.41 | somebee_ | is it even possible to set system-time without rebooting? |
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| 12:07.56 | varlon | somebee_, "date" |
| 12:07.57 | varlon | ? |
| 12:07.58 | indego | Anyone good with libtool and linking issues? I am trying to build FreeRADIUS 2.1 on etch. That is fine, however I cannot for the life of me get it to build and LINK to it's own libltdl to work around the RTDL_GLOBAL issue. |
| 12:08.02 | varlon | man date |
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| 12:08.34 | wols | !date |
| 12:08.34 | dpkg | The current date is 2008.09.24 12:08:34 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 12:08.38 | indego | somebee_, check out the ntpdate and ntp packages. |
| 12:08.49 | wols | !tell somebee_ about set the date |
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| 12:09.13 | somebee_ | wols: thanks :) |
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| 12:19.06 | dan-ny | ups^^ |
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| 12:23.58 | Lindsey | is there a way to count in/out traffic to internet in debian by default? |
| 12:24.22 | OpenTokix | Lindsey: snmp |
| 12:24.57 | abrotman | ifconfig shows it |
| 12:25.02 | liable | ifconfig shows it, but it rolls over every few gig |
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| 12:25.11 | abrotman | liable: that's not true |
| 12:25.16 | liable | does |
| 12:25.33 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:25.45 | abrotman | TB looks like a bit more than every few GB |
| 12:26.04 | Lindsey | does it reset on reboot? |
| 12:26.04 | liable | heh, ok, i cant say much to that now can i |
| 12:26.10 | liable | yes of course |
| 12:26.23 | Trewas | abrotman: you have a 64bit kernel? it rolls over evergy 4GiB in 32bit |
| 12:26.40 | Lindsey | what's snmo |
| 12:26.43 | Lindsey | snmp |
| 12:26.50 | liable | good, so maybe i am not going mad |
| 12:27.07 | abrotman | Trewas: yes .. but that's nto the point .. we don't know what Lindsey has either |
| 12:27.27 | abrotman | Trewas: let me rephrase .. it's not inherent in ifconfig |
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| 12:27.36 | liable | its more likely than not |
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| 12:31.04 | crashanddie | Is it possible to resize an ext3 partition when the free space is before the partition? If so, is it possible to do it on a mounted partition? |
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| 12:32.25 | liable | you cant do it mounted, and you have to remove the journal first (ie ext2) |
| 12:33.26 | liable | maybe you can make it bigger without removing the journal, i forget |
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| 12:33.51 | saintiss | hi all |
| 12:34.22 | saintiss | I've got testing and unstable repo's in sources.list, default-release of "testing" in apt.conf, but when I do apt-get dist-upgrade, it still wants to upgrade to unstable |
| 12:34.24 | saintiss | what could be wrong? |
| 12:34.31 | saintiss | if I do apt-get -t testing dist-upgrade that's fine |
| 12:34.38 | saintiss | I want that to be default even without -t |
| 12:35.00 | stew | saintiss: show us the output of 'apt-cache policy' ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 12:35.33 | rto | liable: Increasing the size of ext3 is also supported AFAIK. |
| 12:36.12 | saintiss | stew, http://rafb.net/p/3u0t7P61.html |
| 12:36.17 | rto | crashanddie: When the empty space is before the actual partition i think you are out of luck. I've has the same problem before and now i always use LVM when doing a fresh install. |
| 12:36.32 | crashanddie | hmm |
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| 12:37.31 | crashanddie | rto, and I guess there's no way to convert DOS partitions to an LVM disk? :P |
| 12:37.51 | rto | crashanddie: I am afraid not, and yes, it sucks. |
| 12:39.01 | gregg_man | hello. which is better.. squidguard or dansguardian? |
| 12:39.09 | crashanddie | rto, thanks |
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| 12:43.35 | saintiss | stew, hmm, syntax may have been wrong in apt.conf |
| 12:43.40 | saintiss | changed it, works fine now :) |
| 12:43.52 | saintiss | I had default-release {"testing"}; |
| 12:44.01 | saintiss | doesn't work with {} apparently |
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| 12:45.46 | eve | is there any list of all the repositories of debian ? |
| 12:47.27 | abrotman | debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 12:47.52 | gregg_man | I'm still puzzled which one to choose.. remote torrent downloader :( |
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| 12:48.28 | eve | thx |
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| 12:49.52 | jelly | gregg_man: which ones have you tried until now? |
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| 12:50.47 | marinosi | Hello..If in sources.list there is *only* lenny (no testing) and I do apt-get dist-upgrade shall it upgrade to testing? |
| 12:51.09 | gregg_man | jelly, I tried rtorrent but I don't know how to use it :) But I have screen already |
| 12:51.33 | stew | marinosi: lenny and testing are the same thing, so yes |
| 12:51.48 | marinosi | stew: I thought lenny is frozen |
| 12:52.00 | jelly | gregg_man: bare essentials: cd to the download directory, rtorrent path-or-url-to-torrent-file |
| 12:52.03 | stew | marinosi: yes, lenny aka testing, is currently frozen |
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| 12:52.33 | jelly | gregg_man: use a,s,d,z,x,c to change upload bw limit, and uppercase A,S,D,Z,X,C for download limit |
| 12:52.46 | gregg_man | jelly, my concern... how to download torrents from sites that need logins.. like demonoid? |
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| 12:53.08 | jelly | gregg_man: download them manually, then point rtorrent to the file? |
| 12:53.37 | gregg_man | jelly, download the .torrent then point rtorrent to the file? that's it/ |
| 12:53.54 | jelly | I thought that's what I just wrote. |
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| 12:55.01 | gregg_man | jelly, okay.. I'will try it again.. |
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| 13:14.14 | nachos | where can i find documentation about debians default configuration for postgres? |
| 13:15.01 | stew | nachos: in /etc/postgres ? |
| 13:15.53 | toor_ | is the ath5k atheros module not ready for prime time yet? |
| 13:16.04 | nachos | um. i want to know what wierd configuration it has. its not letting me log in as postgres/postgres |
| 13:16.20 | abrotman | that's weird? |
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| 13:16.57 | Somni | nachos: the package sets up a postgres system account, and that user is allowed to connect to the database |
| 13:17.04 | liable | toor_: it has some issues |
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| 13:17.19 | nachos | i cant, "psql postgres postgres" doesnt work, the error is: |
| 13:17.20 | abrotman | that's putting it lightly |
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| 13:17.36 | toor_ | is the madwifi module the recommended path? |
| 13:17.37 | overlord_tm | gpg: invalid module `/usr/local/lib/gnupg/rndegd`. Anyone experienced this? |
| 13:17.43 | abrotman | toor_: depends on your card |
| 13:17.55 | nachos | ah i got it, i had to su as postgres |
| 13:17.56 | nachos | done |
| 13:17.57 | stew | nachos: you need to su to the postgres system user first |
| 13:17.58 | Somni | nachos: there is no postgres database; what user are you doing it as? |
| 13:18.06 | toor_ | is the madwifi module the recommended path for AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)? |
| 13:18.13 | nachos | root, sorry, thanks. |
| 13:18.16 | nachos | sorry for the whinge |
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| 13:18.24 | liable | 5212's should work reasonably |
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| 13:18.42 | liable | toor_: you dont have much choice if ath5k doesnt work.. |
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| 13:19.05 | toor_ | liable: yeah, thats what i'm figuring out. |
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| 13:21.55 | toor_ | now for the good stuff. i'm trying to build the madwifi module using 'ma' agains the 2.6.24-etchnhalf headers and its failing.....throws errors pertaining to "Please enable wireless extensions". so i go take a looksie at .config in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686/.config and sure enough, "CONFIG_WIRELESS_EXT=y" |
| 13:21.55 | toor_ | any ideas? |
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| 13:22.18 | liable | toor_: use a newer madwifi source |
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| 13:24.08 | toor_ | liable: so the madwifi-source package that comes with etchnhalf is no good with the supplied etchnhalf kernel? |
| 13:24.31 | liable | toor_: i didnt know there was an etchnhald madwifi |
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| 13:25.06 | liable | i would imagine you have etch's madwifi |
| 13:25.11 | toor_ | liable: i don't know if it is specific to etchnhalf.... |
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| 13:25.49 | toor_ | liable: would this warrant a bug report being filed? |
| 13:26.11 | liable | toor_: no, you are trying to compile etch's madwifi with a 24 kernel |
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| 13:26.19 | liable | toor_: just get a newer madwifi |
| 13:26.28 | toor_ | liable: fair enough |
| 13:26.39 | liable | toor_: that should fix it i think |
| 13:26.51 | abrotman | the madwifi-modules is for the .18 AFAIK |
| 13:26.59 | abrotman | i suppose he could get the source and do that? |
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| 13:27.08 | liable | there isnt madwifi-modules |
| 13:27.22 | liable | where did you see those? |
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| 13:27.57 | liable | out of real interest, i tried to get them built in lme |
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| 13:32.18 | abrotman | whoops .. thinking of madwifi-tools |
| 13:33.35 | toor_ | liable: it it recommended to use m-a to build the module from the newer source or should i just do it the old fashioned way? |
| 13:34.06 | liable | toor_: m-a if its debian source, just make if its from madwifi.org |
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| 13:36.02 | toor_ | liable: ok, thanks.....i used the madwifi-0.9.4 source from madwifi.org and it built and install correctly. |
| 13:36.24 | toor_ | liable: whats the deal with the older rev not building corectly? |
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| 13:38.32 | tview | do I need to run firestarter to have the policies I set up with it actually run? I am totally confused as to whether firestarter IS the firewall or merely a nice gui front end to iptables. |
| 13:38.33 | snakeoil | what's the preferred way these days to clock down the cpu on a IBM Thinkpad T41 (Intel Pentium M) ? |
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| 13:39.21 | liable | toor_: it probably checked for the WE version that was in 2.6.18 and not bewer versions |
| 13:39.27 | liable | s/bewer/newer/ |
| 13:39.46 | toor_ | liable WE version? |
| 13:39.54 | liable | wireless extensions |
| 13:40.09 | Somni | tview: it's a front-end; the kernel is responsible for actually filtering packets |
| 13:40.34 | tview | so why do so many places say you need to start firestarter at boot? |
| 13:40.41 | toor_ | liable: ahh, thanks for the info. i now have a working wireless card with wpa goodness. have a good rest of the day. |
| 13:40.55 | tarzeau | so debian's got filed the 500000th bug today |
| 13:40.55 | Somni | tview: because when the system boots there are not firewall rules |
| 13:41.00 | Somni | s/not/no/ |
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| 13:41.16 | tview | so you DO need to run firestarter to get a firewall?!?!? |
| 13:41.35 | Somni | you need to run firestarter at bootup so it can initialize the firewall rules |
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| 13:41.57 | tview | why does it not just set up the iptables rules permanently in whatever config files? |
| 13:42.11 | Somni | it does, that's what firestarter is |
| 13:42.13 | Ethern | Anyone with an idea as to why the kernel that came with Debian 4.0r4, can boot my sata disks.. But trying to compile my own kernel (because debians tg3 module doesnt work), it apparantly cant mount the root filesystem.. dmesg however does show that it finds the devices properly. Not even when I tried loading everything possible into the kernel would it mount the root filesystem :/ |
| 13:42.23 | tview | so why do you need to rerun it at start? |
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| 13:42.25 | Somni | the kernel doesn't look anywhere for default rules; that's what the boot up process is for |
| 13:43.03 | tview | Somni: this surprises me. It would be like rerunning your video card setting each time you startup. Pointless. |
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| 13:43.15 | Somni | rerunning your video card? |
| 13:43.29 | tview | video card settings dialog. |
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| 13:43.46 | xoz | Ethern: use the config of debian and work from there. use make oldconfig |
| 13:43.52 | tview | e.g I dont see why the kernel does not just pick up the rules. Why start firestarter to force them in? |
| 13:44.04 | abrotman | Ethern: or just grab the binary crap driver from broadcom.com |
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| 13:44.38 | Somni | tview: I have no idea why this surprises you; are you expecting firewall rules to be compiled into the kernel permanently? |
| 13:44.39 | xoz | Ethern: usually, the module for sata should be compiled static, not as module. otherwise it is like you are trying to access a disk that contains the module to access it. |
| 13:44.44 | snakeoil | what should i prefer in my laptop ? :cpudyn cpufreqd powernowd powersaved |
| 13:44.57 | Somni | tview: it is just picking up the rules, that's what the boot up process is for, configuring the system |
| 13:45.04 | Somni | this includes kernel settings and firewall rules |
| 13:45.36 | Ethern | xoz, results in still not being able to mount it. Like I said. Even with everything compiled in, it STILL wont mount it |
| 13:45.53 | xoz | Ethern: compiled not as modules all? |
| 13:46.10 | tview | Somni: you miss my point. Firestarter is a GUI to set up rules. When those rules are set up I dont see why you need to start firestarter again to apply those rules. Why are they not just picked up by the kernel at boot time? |
| 13:46.11 | Ethern | Everything into the kernel itself. No modules |
| 13:46.37 | xoz | Ethern: you did use make-kpkg? |
| 13:46.41 | tview | And googling around there appear to be huge differences in peoples understanding of what firestarter is and what it does. |
| 13:46.45 | Somni | tview: you're missing mine; they are "picked up", they are applied by the firestarter boot scripts |
| 13:46.52 | Somni | where else do you expect them to be "picked up"? |
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| 13:47.20 | tview | Somni: that is not picking them up. That is a process applying them. Big differnce. After boot is there a firestarter process still running? |
| 13:47.29 | Somni | no |
| 13:47.44 | Somni | and a process applies every setting that isn't compiled into the kernel |
| 13:47.45 | tview | Thanks - you have cleared a lot up for me. I appreciate it. |
| 13:47.50 | Ethern | Nope. As I cant GET make-kpkg. I have no network.. Im using an entire dvd-r every time I need something to that machine. Kernel is one thing and only takes one disk. Trying to get debian packages is a pain using that :) |
| 13:48.01 | Somni | do you want to recompile the kernel every time your firewall rules change |
| 13:48.02 | Somni | ? |
| 13:48.18 | mythomaniac | tview: but firestarter changes the iptable settings, so does it matter if it starts for the changes have been made |
| 13:48.38 | xoz | Ethern: you should do it the debian way. |
| 13:48.38 | tview | Somni: no. And where did I say I dit. its not rocket science or a huge hurdle to think that the kernel could read config files itself to set up its iptables. |
| 13:49.03 | Somni | tview: it does read configuration files, it does so by executing init, and init runs boot-up scripts |
| 13:49.07 | abrotman | xoz: the debian kernel had the firmware removed .. not all NICs work with the driver |
| 13:49.08 | Ethern | xoz, "the debian way" is currently not possible however. |
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| 13:49.20 | tview | Somni: ok. Thanks. |
| 13:49.32 | abrotman | Ethern: i'm still saying to get the driver from broadcom.com |
| 13:49.48 | abrotman | use the debian kernel + the broadcom stuff |
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| 13:50.24 | Ethern | Trying to. their page is a mess though :) |
| 13:50.41 | Somni | tview: you should probably approach learning about your system with less incredulity |
| 13:51.00 | abrotman | http://broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/downloaddrivers.php |
| 13:51.18 | tview | Somni: I now a lot about the system. But the documents for firestarter and the googling I did led me totally down the wrong path. |
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| 13:51.31 | Ethern | I know. Just a matter of knowing which the card is rather than just which module works with it :) |
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| 13:52.29 | Shambuku | boom |
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| 13:53.07 | kriebel | is there a problem with putting iptables-restore in rc.local? |
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| 13:54.41 | Shambuku | why would it matter where you put iptables-restore? |
| 13:54.44 | Somni | kriebel: there are various packages for managing iptables rules; at minimum you should probably put a script in /etc/init.d and link it appropriately |
| 13:54.47 | stew | kriebel: if you were relying on iptables to protect your computer, then it would be unprotected from the time the /etc/rcS.d/S40networking ran until after all the other init scripts run (since rc.local is last) |
| 13:55.15 | kriebel | ah |
| 13:55.17 | kriebel | point |
| 13:55.22 | stew | kriebel: the recommended way is to setup the fiwewall for an interface in a pre-up line for that interface in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:55.33 | kriebel | ohh |
| 13:55.35 | kriebel | hmm |
| 13:55.49 | kriebel | well, I have a Debian box with 3 NICs plus virtual interfaces |
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| 13:55.57 | kriebel | doing static routing and NAT |
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| 13:56.15 | kriebel | and I don't really want to use a high-level program on this particular machine |
| 13:56.27 | samuel_ | people, give me ideas. A jabber server that have ldap integration and web interface to administration. |
| 13:56.40 | kriebel | oooh |
| 13:57.19 | kriebel | openfire |
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| 13:57.38 | kriebel | I just stumbled across it |
| 13:57.52 | kriebel | ( samuel_, ) |
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| 14:00.31 | samuel_ | kriebel: thanks. |
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| 14:01.57 | adnc | can someone help me interprete these headers? do i see it right that x-dkim header is added twice and as such the mail went two times through the dkim-filter? http://postfix.pastebin.com/d4e03ccf4 |
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| 14:11.31 | cga | how do i check the compilation options of an installed with apt-get package??? |
| 14:11.46 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:12.17 | abrotman | !debian/rules |
| 14:12.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian/rules is the makefile that's used by dpkg-buildpackage when building a .deb from source. Edit debian/rules before you run "fakeroot debian/rules binary" (or "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot") to create a custom .deb package. For more info, ask me about <source>. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version ... |
| 14:12.28 | cga | mmmm those info could be useful included in a .deb IMHO |
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| 14:13.23 | cga | thanks wols and abrotman. |
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| 14:15.01 | abrotman | cga: included where? |
| 14:18.20 | cga | abrotman: i would suggest an apt-something option |
| 14:18.31 | cga | that reads some file in the .deb |
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| 14:18.42 | abrotman | or a file in the doc directory ? |
| 14:18.46 | cga | for example with apt-cache show |
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| 14:19.13 | abrotman | file bugs! |
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| 14:19.35 | themill | cga: wishlist bug for a README.Debian against the package in question. /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 14:19.42 | stew | cga: what if the package is compiled in multiple parts with multiple different sets of config options? |
| 14:20.15 | stew | cga: why should sourcecode be put into the binary .deb when source code is already available as a source package? |
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| 14:21.16 | stew | in some cases, this would require package maintainers to create arch specific README.Debian files |
| 14:21.29 | cga | eh, it's just an idea |
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| 14:22.28 | cga | anyway stew there's no need to put source code into to deb to do this. it would require just one more field in a description file. like ie for license or anything else |
| 14:23.06 | stew | cga: what you are asking for is part of the source, and in some cases, it is split into multiple different files |
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| 14:23.08 | Lindsey | the ping to server is half the second , and it's hard to use vnc. plz tell me something faster |
| 14:23.39 | themill | cga: there's no generic way for a maintainer to make a deb so there's no automated way of giving you "apt-cache show" information. The package long description or package dependencies normally tell you that. Failing that a README.Debian if the compilation options are the same ones that upstream tells you to use out of the box. |
| 14:24.39 | cga | ok stew and themill, i understand better now. my idea isn't that feasable after all. |
| 14:25.28 | themill | cga: not in an automated fashion. But anything that isn't compiled in an obvious or standard way probably be documented in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/README.Debian |
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| 14:28.44 | Ethern | Arg.. broadcom driver needs the kernel source as well >_< Is it possible to download the kernel source package as a tarball somewhere for the kernel used on 4.0r4 cd? 2.6.18 something? |
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| 14:29.49 | Ethern | I mean.. Is http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-source-2.6.18 correct? Can I just put that on a disk and install it? |
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| 14:30.16 | stew | Ethern: are you sure you need -source and not just -headers? |
| 14:30.22 | ma_tex | hello |
| 14:30.40 | stew | Ethern: but yes, that is the source for the etch 2.6.18 kernel |
| 14:30.41 | Ethern | stew, I have the -headers package so I would imagine I do yes |
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| 14:31.21 | wols | Ethern: what is the error you get when compiling? and have you thought about using a etchnhalf kernel which probably already has your broadcom driver? |
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| 14:32.51 | Ethern | wols, that it's missing alot of /include files in /usr/src/linux/ |
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| 14:33.43 | stew | Ethern: it shouldn't be using /usr/src/linux at all, it should be looking at /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build instead |
| 14:34.06 | stew | Ethern: (that's wheter the -headers paackage installs headers) |
| 14:34.23 | stew | /usr/src/linux shouldn't contain linux-source or linux-headers |
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| 14:34.53 | chomwitt1 | hi. in etch what is the best way to add in startup ifconfig and route commands? the rc.local or /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 14:34.55 | Ethern | it should according to the tg3 source |
| 14:35.00 | hjb | Hhmm, anyone here who can give me short introduction on how to use the *-dbg versions of some shared lib? |
| 14:35.07 | keith4 | chomwitt1: interfaces |
| 14:35.18 | stew | Ethern: fix the tc3 source then, it is broken |
| 14:35.20 | Ethern | It also should according to linux kernel source |
| 14:35.26 | stew | cga: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:35.30 | hjb | I've tried the following: i've installed libxaw7-dbg package |
| 14:35.33 | chomwitt1 | keith4: thanks |
| 14:35.38 | stew | Ethern: no, linux kernel source specifically says it should not |
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| 14:36.42 | hjb | Then i've added a symlink from source dir to /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libXaw7.so.7.0.0 and added the source dir to LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 14:36.57 | Ethern | Err.. The readme for 2.6.26.5 says to place it in /usr/src with an optional symlink with to /usr/src/linux because alot of apps looks there to determine currently used source |
| 14:37.08 | hjb | ldd shows that the library of i.e. ddd get's correctly resolved to /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libXaw7.so.7.0.0 |
| 14:37.26 | hjb | but starting ddd just give's a segmentation fault |
| 14:37.51 | hjb | other programs using libxaw, too, like xedit i.e. |
| 14:37.58 | hjb | What am i doing wrong here` |
| 14:38.09 | stew | Ethern: that must have changed recently then, usually, around line 75 of the README it says specifically not to |
| 14:38.33 | wols | Ethern: dpkg -l |grep linux-header |
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| 14:38.53 | hjb | I want to debug xedit with gdb or ddd and want to see what the libxaw code is doing |
| 14:39.34 | Ethern | wols, linux-header package IS installed.. Its not enough.. I can compile a 2.6.26.5 version of the tg3 module but I cant load it because of version errors. So I need the source for the right kernel that actually loads |
| 14:39.36 | nikolavp | hjb: when it gives a seg fault inside gdb |
| 14:39.43 | nikolavp | push a backtrace to see what's wrong :) |
| 14:39.49 | nikolavp | you will maybe need the debug symbols also |
| 14:40.14 | stew | Ethern: the readme for 2.6.26.5 says "Do NOT use the /usr/src/linux area! This area has a (usually incomplete) set of kernel headers that are used by the library header files..." |
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| 14:40.32 | stew | Ethern: change tg3 to use /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
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| 14:41.05 | E-bola | Hmm can seombody help me setup an iscsi target on debian? |
| 14:41.23 | E-bola | ive created an empty linux partition, but it doesnt work. syslog says: ietd: Can't create a logical unit 2 1 0 Path=/dev/sda3,Type=fileio |
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| 14:43.06 | Ethern | stew, you might want to read more of the readme then.. Because the entire readme states all over the place that it uses /usr/src/linux.. as well as "The default directory for the kernel source is /usr/src/linux" |
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| 14:43.24 | riptide | hi |
| 14:43.27 | hjb | nikolavp http://paste.debian.net/17902/ |
| 14:43.43 | nikolavp | yeah you need the debug symbols |
| 14:43.45 | nikolavp | as you can see :D |
| 14:43.54 | Ethern | stew, also feel free to say WHERE it says that you shouldnt put it in /usr/src/linux.. Because I find NO such line |
| 14:43.59 | riptide | im ircin[ off my ds. next stepds linux |
| 14:44.01 | nikolavp | those question marks speak for themselfs :P |
| 14:44.13 | hjb | nikolavp Ahh :-) You mean as i can't see anything |
| 14:44.25 | hjb | nikolavp Where can i find the debugging symbols? |
| 14:44.33 | hoxu | are a couple of "reset high speed USB device" messages in syslog sign of a crappy mass storage implementation on a device? |
| 14:44.37 | stew | Ethern: README line 73 |
| 14:44.44 | nikolavp | hjb: in package-dev |
| 14:44.46 | et | is there a possibility to set (not send) env-vars for a ssh connection? |
| 14:44.46 | nikolavp | most of the time |
| 14:44.48 | nikolavp | upps |
| 14:44.54 | nikolavp | s/package-dev/package-debug |
| 14:44.59 | lymeca | Is there somewhere I can track the staus of packaing X.Org 7.4, Mesa 7.1, and XServer 1.5.1 into sid? |
| 14:45.14 | et | for example, setting TERM because some server doesn't like rxvt-unicode |
| 14:45.53 | Ethern | stew, dont have any line counter atm. Which section is that in? |
| 14:46.04 | stew | Ethern: and "fgrep -ir 'default directory'" doesn't have any matches in the kernel source |
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| 14:46.22 | stew | Ethern: "INSTALLING the kernel" |
| 14:46.56 | Ethern | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/README It's quite clear that it is the default |
| 14:47.00 | Ethern | In the same section |
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| 14:48.31 | stew | Ethern: you are looking at the documentation for "Linux kernel release 2.0.xx |
| 14:48.45 | stew | Ethern: i'm looking at the same documentation for 2.6.26.5 |
| 14:48.45 | hjb | nikolavp ok, i've installed libxaw7-dgb for example.... |
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| 14:49.48 | hjb | nikolavp http://paste.debian.net/17903/ |
| 14:50.19 | Ethern | That is the only documentation I find on the kernels.org.. |
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| 14:50.40 | nikolavp | hjb: |
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| 14:50.48 | nikolavp | run the application and when it segs give a backtrace :) |
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| 14:51.57 | Jadrael | i have a question: what its mean INIT: no more process found in this runlevel |
| 14:52.06 | hjb | nikolavp It doesn't segfaults, i just want to see what the code in libxaw does |
| 14:52.27 | Jadrael | i was running a livecd but just stop and show me that msg |
| 14:52.30 | Jadrael | ... |
| 14:52.32 | nikolavp | hjb: well for you that you will need the source files most of the time ;) |
| 14:52.40 | hjb | nikolavp Example: xedit calls "XawSimpleMenuAddGlobalActions", and i want to step inside and see the code |
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| 14:53.35 | nikolavp | oh sorry you don't :D |
| 14:53.40 | nikolavp | you just need the debug symbols :d |
| 14:53.53 | hjb | nikolavp I need the source files? I thought the -dgb has the debugging symbols not stripped |
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| 14:54.05 | nikolavp | can you paste the ouput of dpkg -l | grep libxaw |
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| 14:55.08 | hjb | nikolavp http://paste.debian.net/17904/ |
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| 14:55.28 | nikolavp | bah everythings seems ok ;) |
| 14:56.13 | Jadrael | i have a problem: INIT:no more processes left in this runlevel |
| 14:56.18 | nikolavp | hjb: can you tell me what compiler flags are you using for you project code :? |
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| 14:57.01 | whadar | is there any .deb for eclipse 3.4 (for lenny)? |
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| 14:57.37 | nikolavp | whadar: just use the upstrea package |
| 14:57.42 | nikolavp | most of the time it is just better :d |
| 14:57.59 | whadar | ok |
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| 14:58.20 | nikolavp | upstream* |
| 14:58.30 | whadar | 10x |
| 14:58.37 | whadar | how bout eclipse 3.5? |
| 14:58.45 | whadar | anyone tried it here? |
| 14:58.49 | whadar | with debian? |
| 14:58.50 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, I have a gpg key saved on a file, I want to know if it is my private key or the public key, how can I check that? |
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| 14:59.09 | LeoDing | how to control volume in terminal?such as lower voice,higher voice or muting voice... |
| 14:59.11 | nikolavp | well i haven't and i don't see any killer features :d |
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| 15:00.09 | stew | LeoDing: alsamixer is a curses mixer, amixer is a scriptable cli |
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| 15:00.51 | george_xtr | Hi guys, I want to change a user name, but I want to remain with the same desktop configuration and all the stuff, how can I do that? |
| 15:00.53 | LeoDing | stew:amixer?OK,i am try ... tanks |
| 15:00.53 | nikolavp | hmm hjb it seems that i cannot step in the sources too |
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| 15:01.02 | nikolavp | i mean with another lib, but the same all in all :D |
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| 15:01.36 | hjb | nikolavp http://paste.debian.net/17905/ |
| 15:01.37 | Lukas___ | Hola a todos, como puedo hacer una instalacion SUPER MINIMA de Debian ? para una laptop viejita que queda realmente veloz y pequeña |
| 15:01.48 | hjb | nikolavp You can't step into, too? Cool :-) |
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| 15:02.02 | stew | !es |
| 15:02.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 15:02.11 | stew | !es |
| 15:02.28 | hjb | nikolavp But that's strange, i thought that's the purpose of the -dgb packages :-/ |
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| 15:03.50 | OpenTokix | How does the multi-arch installer work? |
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| 15:03.57 | roxazer | how do i reset the cache? |
| 15:03.58 | OpenTokix | Isnt there some libs that are 32 and 64 bit? |
| 15:04.06 | roxazer | or delete the cache? |
| 15:04.12 | OpenTokix | Seems it installs a base-system 32-bit and then changes kernel only |
| 15:04.15 | nikolavp | hjb: hmm well the purpose is to not strip debug symbols |
| 15:04.23 | nikolavp | which will give you where the problem came from |
| 15:04.27 | nikolavp | with a backtrace :D |
| 15:04.33 | hjb | nikolavp oh, i see |
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| 15:04.48 | hjb | nikolavp just the names of the symbols but not the whole source |
| 15:04.49 | nikolavp | hmm download the sources and use something like eclipse to browse the code :) |
| 15:05.00 | nikolavp | yeah it seems that i am getting the same |
| 15:05.06 | nikolavp | i mean it cannot find the source file |
| 15:05.16 | hjb | nikolavp that's what it says |
| 15:05.26 | george_xtr | is there a way to move the configuration from one user to another? |
| 15:05.44 | hjb | nikolavp i just wasn't sure what's excactly in the -dbg packages |
| 15:06.10 | nikolavp | george_xtr: sure cp -r /home/usershome /home/newusershome |
| 15:06.15 | hjb | nikolavp btw. do you know if the debian policy says something about this? |
| 15:06.26 | nikolavp | chown -R newuser:newusers'sgroup /home/newusershome |
| 15:06.35 | nikolavp | about what :? |
| 15:07.31 | hjb | nikolavp about the purpose of the -dbg packages? only symbols or whole source? |
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| 15:07.49 | nikolavp | well not sure |
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| 15:08.21 | nikolavp | i just know that if i report a bug i install those and run it through a gdb to help the maintainer :) |
| 15:08.44 | screamingbytes | you don't need the symbols to compile by source, or modify app with source |
| 15:08.48 | nikolavp | so i think that it helps the stack to carry more information about how it got there :) |
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| 15:09.06 | screamingbytes | symbols are only used on crash's or for debugging the binary typically by developers |
| 15:09.08 | nikolavp | screamingbytes: we know that, he just wanted to step into the sources. |
| 15:09.24 | nikolavp | and browse it with a simple list from gdb |
| 15:09.24 | roxazer | my debian amchine is really slow, it takes about 5 seconds after i logged in as root untill i can write commands, same thing if i run exit, what can this depend on? |
| 15:09.28 | roxazer | machine* |
| 15:09.33 | screamingbytes | aye |
| 15:09.51 | nikolavp | roxazer: i can remember that i had that problem when i haven't enabled dma ;P |
| 15:09.56 | screamingbytes | nikolavp: sry, i must have missed the original reason |
| 15:10.04 | nikolavp | which is weird because as far as i know it should be enabled as default on most debian kernels. |
| 15:10.08 | hjb | screamingbytes question was more in the type of: how do the developers do the debugging? They may also need to step into the code |
| 15:10.11 | roxazer | nikolavp: how do i do that? |
| 15:10.25 | nikolavp | roxazer: paste the ouput of hdparm /dev/"device" |
| 15:10.30 | hjb | screamingbytes do the build debugging versions of all libraries involved? |
| 15:10.35 | nikolavp | you can also append -iI if you want to be nice :D\ |
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| 15:10.56 | screamingbytes | hjb: ahh |
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| 15:11.27 | nikolavp | hjb: |
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| 15:11.41 | nikolavp | most of the time they don't have to look at the libs |
| 15:11.49 | nikolavp | that's called abstractions and it helps ;D |
| 15:12.17 | hjb | nikolavp Yeah, abstraction :-) |
| 15:12.18 | nikolavp | most of the time you just want to code by interface not by implementation. |
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| 15:12.46 | wols | Ethern: first you say you miss include files, now you say you have module versioning problems... can you finally decide what your problem is? |
| 15:12.58 | nikolavp | smiles |
| 15:13.28 | wols | Ethern: versioning problems could mean the gcc the kernel was compiled and the one you used for your module are different |
| 15:13.44 | hjb | nikolavp But for learning and understanding implementation worries ;-) But after all your totally right |
| 15:14.08 | nikolavp | if you code by implementation your code will break and you will suffer more :P |
| 15:14.09 | hjb | nikolavp Maybe i just should forget about stepping into the lib and just check the results of the calls :-D |
| 15:14.31 | nikolavp | hjb: no, most of the time you should code with a library which use doxygen |
| 15:14.37 | nikolavp | or something like this :D |
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| 15:14.56 | nikolavp | Qt/GTK are nice examples ;) |
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| 15:15.55 | hjb | nikolavp that's right, not that oold stuff lib libxaw :-) never touched since years |
| 15:16.15 | hjb | nikolavp but to be honest, it has nice documentation, too. But i'm too lazy to read all it |
| 15:16.36 | hjb | nikolavp Just thought i could take a look on what it does buy watching with the debugger |
| 15:16.56 | hjb | nikolavp Like looking an instruction dvd rather than reading the manual :-D |
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| 15:18.05 | nikolavp | well you are ignoring the developers work to write documentation |
| 15:18.20 | nikolavp | shame yourself :D. They don't like to write docs but they have to for people like us :D |
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| 15:20.38 | gngkai | hi all |
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| 15:21.04 | gngkai | is there any news about lenny release? |
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| 15:21.36 | hjb | nikolavp you convinced me, i'm so sorry. I swear in future i'll not ignore the docs any more :-) |
| 15:21.46 | nikolavp | gngkai: they will not freeze in the near future as far as i know :) |
| 15:21.52 | hjb | nikolavp thanks for your help :-) |
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| 15:21.57 | nikolavp | no problem :) |
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| 15:22.20 | gngkai | nikolavp: is yet frozen no? |
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| 15:22.46 | nikolavp | gngkai: no and I don't see that happening in the near future :) |
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| 15:22.58 | kenjy | #unixmexico |
| 15:23.02 | nikolavp | but it can. Are you waiting for something |
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| 15:23.21 | hjb | gngkai nikolavp i thought it is frozen |
| 15:23.32 | hjb | ask dpkg about lenny status |
| 15:23.37 | hjb | !lenny status |
| 15:23.37 | dpkg | Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 15:23.42 | gngkai | # [2008-Jul-27] Lenny frozen |
| 15:23.56 | nikolavp | hm :d |
| 15:23.59 | gngkai | lol |
| 15:24.02 | nikolavp | well i am getting updates in unstable :D |
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| 15:24.04 | nikolavp | strange ^_^ |
| 15:24.20 | nikolavp | last time they froze there weren't any updates for about a month. |
| 15:24.46 | stew | !slushy |
| 15:24.46 | dpkg | i heard slushy is when a 'testing' release becomes frozen, unstable tends to partially freeze as well. this is becuase developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates to fix release critical bugs which are keeping testing from becomming stable. |
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| 15:24.55 | faileas | slushy? |
| 15:25.03 | gngkai | just to know if september is confirmed or not |
| 15:25.05 | faileas | ahh |
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| 15:25.22 | gngkai | I'm yet using it on prod servers |
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| 15:25.35 | enouf | dpkg: slushy =~ s/becomming/becoming/ |
| 15:25.36 | dpkg | OK, enouf |
| 15:25.47 | stew | gngkai: debian doesnt' set release dates. a release isn't released until it has zero release critical bugs. the release critical bug count for lenny will not hit zero in september |
| 15:26.11 | gngkai | stew: I know I know... it will be released when is ready |
| 15:26.26 | stew | gngkai: so what do you want to know about september? |
| 15:26.34 | gngkai | but this time a date was announced (with etch too but was not ready) |
| 15:26.53 | nikolavp | well don't trust those dates |
| 15:27.08 | nikolavp | it is better to wait another week instead of bringing unresolved bugs. |
| 15:27.27 | OpenTokix | I wonder if someone has reported a bug/not optimal running of virtio-interface ins 2.6.26- it broke from .25 to .26 |
| 15:27.28 | stew | probably not another week, but another couple of months |
| 15:27.39 | OpenTokix | virtio is for kvm, btw |
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| 15:28.25 | gngkai | stew: well, was an official roadmap... |
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| 15:28.30 | gngkai | not a rumour |
| 15:28.32 | prolix | hi debianites |
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| 15:28.55 | stew | gngkai: those dates are always announced, but they are goals, not actual release dates |
| 15:28.58 | thirst | hi guys |
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| 15:29.36 | thirst | connecting my headphones doesnt mute my laptop's builtin speakers.. i read that it is an alsa bug. Are there any work arounds to this ? |
| 15:30.14 | nikolavp | thirst: hmm check if rerunning alsaconf |
| 15:30.16 | enouf | thirst: does your snd module have a parameter it could use to aide in that? |
| 15:30.23 | stew | thirst: you should be able to specifically mute the speakers in alsaconf |
| 15:30.24 | nikolavp | solve it, i can remember it worked last time i tried it. |
| 15:30.35 | stew | thirst: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:30.52 | gngkai | stew: still I'm using it on some new prod server and I'm quite happy. this happened with etch too. I think that when is frozen and you don't need exotic packages, then it's almost stable |
| 15:31.16 | stew | gngkai: it doesn't necessarily get timely security support though |
| 15:31.22 | thirst | uname -r = 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 15:31.33 | stew | thirst: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 15:31.39 | faileas | gngkai: depends on your definition of exotic ;p |
| 15:31.55 | MuH4hA | Hi there! I want to create a live-cd with livehelper. What is the best way to change the keymap? Is there a config-file? |
| 15:32.04 | faileas | ended up with lenny simply cause it was easier than getting the wireless module compiled |
| 15:32.06 | enouf | thirst: cat /proc/asound/modules |
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| 15:32.34 | thirst | enouf, shows 0 snd_hda_intel and 1 snd_hda_intel |
| 15:32.50 | thirst | nikolavp, tried running alsaconf.. but not much use there.. |
| 15:33.09 | stew | thirst: is this etch aka stable? or lenny akatesting? or what? |
| 15:33.23 | thirst | stew, it is lenny.. |
| 15:33.30 | stew | thirst: you can try upgrading your drivers then: "/msg dpkg new alsa" |
| 15:34.16 | drwahl | i have a file server that is sharing files on my local network. i also have a laptop that connects to my local network about every other day. i'm looking for a tool that will allow my laptop to check to see if, in a defined folder, anything has changed, and if it has, copy the changes on the laptops hard drive. essentially, just a simple syncronize. does debian offer any utilities to assist with this? |
| 15:34.17 | enouf | might need to set parm: id:ID string for Intel HD audio interface. (array of charp) |
| 15:34.29 | rchi | Hi! After a recent restart, etch decided to panic, and last lines on screen looked something like "SMP: Alternatives: switching to UP code "ACPI: Core Revision 20060707". After putting acpi=off noacpi in kernel boot line, it now boots successfully. dmesg is here - http://pastebin.com/ddade0f0.. I'm just after an explanation? |
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| 15:37.38 | Jadrael | irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian-live |
| 15:38.04 | thirst | drwahl, you can use rsync |
| 15:38.29 | drwahl | i have also seen unison, but i'm not sure which will be better in my case... |
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| 15:40.42 | thirst | stew, compiled and installed the newer alsa .. but that doesnt hellp .. |
| 15:43.09 | thirst | alsa website seems to be down... http://www.alsa-project.org/ |
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| 15:44.58 | tote | what kernel is in debian 4.0_r4a? |
| 15:46.54 | roxazer | nikolavp: i get using_dma = 1 (on) |
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| 15:47.18 | abrotman | tote: you have a .18 or a .24 available |
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| 15:47.55 | cecile42 | hello |
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| 15:49.32 | cecile42 | there is a behaviour issue on the debian-fr channel and I think it's a real problem because it can broke your community image |
| 15:50.31 | cahoot | they are forthcoming and polite? |
| 15:50.47 | stew | cecile42: "/msg chanserv access #debian-fr list" will get you a list of operators for that channel. you should speak with one of them |
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| 15:50.52 | cecile42 | they arent polite at all |
| 15:51.38 | cecile42 | I come here to speak because I saw an op unpolite |
| 15:52.40 | faileas | i just reformated a box which i tried to ssh to.. i got this http://pastebin.com/m427f73f9 error message- the file it told me to change makes no sense to me... anyone can tell me what to do? |
| 15:52.43 | prolix | bonne chance |
| 15:52.54 | cecile42 | the topic translation of debian-fr is "the official debian-fr channel is on oftc. This is not here. Get out of my face |
| 15:52.56 | cecile42 | " |
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| 15:53.37 | prolix | peut etre c'etait pour rigoler, quoi? |
| 15:53.42 | prolix | calmes-toi |
| 15:54.14 | faileas | bleh, my french is really rusty |
| 15:54.17 | stew | cecile42: sorry, this is not something we can help you with. speak with other ops. if that doesn't resolve it, you should try to speak with the channel founder which is listed as 'canard' |
| 15:54.22 | stew | prolix: english only in here, please |
| 15:54.34 | prolix | stew: pardon |
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| 15:54.58 | cecile42 | prolix: je prends l'ordi de ma copine pour poser une question en rapport avec le portage et un op la traite de "putain de sa race" lorsque j'ai le dos tourné... excuse moi mais être op c'est un role important. Quant a limage que cela donne bravo |
| 15:55.03 | enouf | cecile42: ask #freenode |
| 15:55.03 | cecile42 | ok stew |
| 15:55.07 | stew | cecile42: english only in here |
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| 15:56.14 | screamingbytes | faileas: delete line 14 in /home/geek/.ssh/known_hosts:14 |
| 15:56.21 | prolix | cecile42: well, there's no real accounting for taste and some people let their personal beliefs leak into their advisory roles. don't mind that individual, just /ignore them and be patient |
| 15:56.24 | screamingbytes | faileas: then reconnect |
| 15:56.28 | prolix | the assistance, afterall, is free. |
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| 15:56.39 | gypsy | hi |
| 15:56.53 | enouf | thirst: did you restart alsa? pretty sure 'alsaconf' will remove, then readd your modules, which kind of what the factoid mentions |
| 15:57.04 | thirst | enouf, lemme try that.. |
| 15:57.12 | gypsy | I've used DNAT to forward an ssh service from my dnz, and it works, why I can't use scp too? |
| 15:58.00 | cecile42 | prolix: this is not the first time french community desappoints me but this is the first time I see an op doing that. |
| 15:58.20 | prolix | cecile42: don't worry about racists, karma will take care of them in due time |
| 15:58.48 | screamingbytes | prolix: karma takes a long long time though doesn't it |
| 15:58.56 | thirst | enouf, no luck there.. |
| 15:59.03 | prolix | screamingbytes: sometimes it does, yes indeed |
| 15:59.07 | thirst | enouf, should i try going back to OSS.. :) |
| 15:59.18 | enouf | thirst: only other thing i can think, is defining your specific card in /etc/modprobe.d/sound - google for that, see "cat /proc/asound/cards" for some info - nah - try alsamixer again |
| 15:59.48 | cecile42 | prolix: well i dont know if its about racism but I hope these kind of situations wont ruin Linux ideologies. |
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| 16:00.34 | prolix | cecile42: if you just sit and watch how these guys in here handle people, even the aggressive ones, in a professional, polite manner, you'll understand that those people aren't representative of the debian community as a whole. |
| 16:00.35 | cecile42 | I really despise noobs and especially the one who have too much power |
| 16:00.49 | enouf | thirst: lshal | grep device_file | wc -l |
| 16:01.07 | thirst | enouf, it gives 59 |
| 16:01.27 | enouf | thirst: ok, that's fine |
| 16:01.40 | enouf | thirst: you have more than one audio card? |
| 16:01.53 | cecile42 | prolix: however this is the first person who answer and he is an op |
| 16:02.02 | enouf | thirst: does cat /proc/asound/cards list 2 or more? |
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| 16:02.18 | prolix | cecile42: all humans have bad days |
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| 16:03.20 | cecile42 | prolix: I never saw these kind of situations on internationnal channel such as this one for example |
| 16:03.28 | cecile42 | prolix: I need to go. I have 400km to drive tonight. |
| 16:03.38 | prolix | cecile42: bye and remember to smile :) |
| 16:03.41 | faileas | screamingbytes: thanks. that worke |
| 16:03.43 | faileas | worked |
| 16:03.56 | enouf | cecile42: you should then ask the channel owner if they want their ops behaving that way |
| 16:04.19 | screamingbytes | faileas: np, glad it worked |
| 16:04.22 | cecile42 | prolix: dont worry. :) |
| 16:04.26 | cecile42 | ok |
| 16:04.45 | cecile42 | see you soon... or before if possible ! |
| 16:05.18 | shreaker_ | ist away (IM SCANNING YOUR ASS) |
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| 16:06.05 | DexterF | hi |
| 16:06.37 | faileas | screamingbytes: i used kate instead of nano *g* |
| 16:06.47 | faileas | it still makes no sense to me but it works ;p |
| 16:07.11 | screamingbytes | faileas: are you getting more errors? |
| 16:07.31 | screamingbytes | faileas: or do you mean the original error |
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| 16:07.57 | pistache | Hello all |
| 16:08.01 | faileas | screamingbytes: original error is fixed. wireless on the box i'm connecting to seems down though, but thats a known issue ;p |
| 16:08.08 | pistache | Just a question : I have a string as "2) Eric Clapton - Layla |
| 16:08.08 | pistache | " |
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| 16:08.29 | pistache | ">2) Eric Clapton - Layla" |
| 16:08.35 | screamingbytes | faileas: does the original error still confuse you, is that what you meant |
| 16:08.51 | pistache | I would like to use AWK or CUT to get only the number |
| 16:08.57 | faileas | screamingbytes: not as much the error as the file i was supposed to edit |
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| 16:09.04 | pistache | The problem for me is that the > before the string is not always there |
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| 16:09.29 | enouf | pistache: so first use sed and remove all the > |
| 16:09.47 | pistache | enouf > Ah, why did'nt I think to this before |
| 16:09.48 | enouf | then use sed and use ^ as an anchor |
| 16:09.48 | pistache | Thanks |
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| 16:10.10 | mathbr | Hi. I am doing a package cleanup on my system once in a while and today libdiscover1 had to go since it's a transitional package. Now nothing depends on discover, discover-data and libdiscover2 anymore and apt-get suggests to remove them. |
| 16:10.10 | mathbr | Do I actually need discover? |
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| 16:10.26 | enouf | -> goes |
| 16:11.26 | enouf | ever look at /etc/default/discover ? |
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| 16:11.56 | mathbr | enouf: I just did. What should this file tell me? |
| 16:12.25 | enouf | mathbr: not much - just notice what's defined there, if anything (CDROM) .. /me has to run though |
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| 16:13.18 | mathbr | Yep, only CDROM stuff. MANAGE_CDROM_DEVICES=false and CDROM_BASE_MOUNTPOINT=/media/ to be precise. Does not seem like discover is needed here. |
| 16:13.27 | enouf | mathbr: best i can think, that was added at installation time for help generation of your first /etc/fstab .. whatever |
| 16:14.19 | mathbr | This means a production system actually doesn't need discover? I'd just try but I don't like my system to fail to boot afterwards in case discover actually is still necessary. |
| 16:14.34 | torr | hi |
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| 16:16.08 | mathbr | Guess I better ask debian-boot@l.d.o |
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| 16:16.53 | torr | I have rebuilt clamav 0.94 from volataile and now it crush on the test/.split test files |
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| 16:18.32 | torr | with clamdscan * I get |
| 16:18.43 | torr | up to this file and then |
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| 16:18.50 | torr | connect(): Connection refused |
| 16:18.50 | torr | WARNING: Can't connect to clamd. |
| 16:19.14 | torr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:19.56 | torr | and by the way... is there an easy way to auto-restart a crushed clamd? |
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| 16:22.29 | prolix | alright, apparently oftc is the official network for french support on irc |
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| 16:22.50 | prolix | it's on the french version of debian.org |
| 16:23.19 | prolix | i think note should be made to redirect french speakers to that network/channel instead of the one on freenode |
| 16:23.50 | prolix | irc.oftc.net #debian-fr |
| 16:23.55 | prolix | that's pretty confusing |
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| 16:32.12 | thirst | enouf, yes.. cat /proc/asound/cards lists two cards... one of intel and one of ATI (probably with my graphics card) |
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| 16:34.17 | psylance | hi all, can i know more about essential applications used in enterprise environment for security and management? |
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| 16:34.43 | psylance | i've only heard of tripwire, cacti |
| 16:35.01 | psylance | anyone knows what others are used? |
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| 16:44.56 | roxazer | when im logging in as root or logging out of root i get error messages like these. hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 {UncorrectableError }. |
| 16:44.59 | roxazer | help? |
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| 16:51.55 | mic_p | Hi all. I need an old version of a packet. It's there a "repository" where find it? Thnaks |
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| 16:52.53 | wols | !tell mic_p about sdn |
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| 16:53.10 | wols | roxazer: full error please. it might be a dead hdd |
| 16:53.17 | aidehua | How do I build a binary package with debian/rules? 'debian/rules binary-<package name>'? I think that's right. |
| 16:53.28 | wols | alfanick: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:53.49 | aidehua | wols: I don't really want to build all the packages, just one of them :/ |
| 16:53.49 | roxazer | wols: not dead, it runs, but i get alot of errors, will take picture |
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| 16:53.52 | roxazer | cant copy |
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| 16:54.31 | enouf | aidehua: what wols told you is correct |
| 16:54.49 | aidehua | (I'm trying to backport openssh-server form lenny to etch so I can use the new chroot options.) |
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| 16:54.55 | enouf | aidehua: however, you could also fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 16:54.56 | wols | enouf: some source packages make several binary ones. |
| 16:55.09 | enouf | wols: indeed |
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| 16:55.20 | wols | and he only wants one binary. not all of them |
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| 16:55.25 | aidehua | (I've editted debian/rules to not build a krb5 sshd, and I was going to use dpkg-buildpackage -D -rfakeroot, but that would build everything.) |
| 16:55.45 | aidehua | wols: OK -- thanks for the tip :) |
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| 16:56.20 | enouf | well, that's what i was going to say .. still either method would work |
| 16:56.23 | aidehua | BTW: am I right in saying that there is no lenny->etch backports service, and there is unlikely to be one until lenny release? |
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| 16:56.45 | enouf | lenny->sid? |
| 16:56.48 | enouf | crap |
| 16:56.56 | enouf | lenny-><whatever> |
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| 16:57.13 | enouf | binoculars? |
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| 16:58.13 | enouf | b0z0? |
| 16:58.21 | LKJASFLKSJDF | hi |
| 16:58.48 | aidehua | enouf: lenny is one release ahead of etch. When it is released, some people will provide "backports" of lenny packages to etch, to help people who haven't upgraded yet, but who want more modern software. |
| 16:58.53 | LKJASFLKSJDF | what does debian need in order to boot. |
| 16:58.54 | aidehua | enouf: c.f. 'sarge-backports' |
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| 16:59.10 | roxazer | wols: http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3758/pict0758qu9.jpg |
| 16:59.14 | roxazer | thats all i can see |
| 16:59.15 | enouf | aidehua: for kde4 there are already some backported pkgs |
| 16:59.42 | mic_p | wols: It was. Thanks |
| 16:59.56 | enouf | aidehua: and no, nobody will provide backports for etch that aren't there already - unless they want to add more |
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| 17:02.12 | wols | roxazer: buy a new harddisk.this one is dead |
| 17:02.20 | roxazer | wols: okey |
| 17:02.30 | aidehua | roxazer: ...but try it in another PC if you can first. |
| 17:02.38 | roxazer | hmm |
| 17:03.13 | aidehua | (Unless you don't care about accessing it any more because, for example, you have robust backups, and you don't have spare time to fiddle around trying to resurrect a cheap old disk ;) |
| 17:03.30 | psylance | what's the simplest way to create a list of users --> user1,user2,user3,...user100. all with the password 'password' ? |
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| 17:04.27 | enouf | found some at newegg on sale recently |
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| 17:04.50 | enouf | pwdgen |
| 17:04.55 | enouf | or similarly named |
| 17:05.04 | roxazer | i have two hard drives, one with /home/ and thats /dev/hdb1, and the system on /dev/hda, /dev/hda is dead? |
| 17:05.36 | aidehua | psylance: adduser(8) and passwd(1) |
| 17:05.39 | nvz | has anyone by chance ever known of a use or used a logic probe to test/diagnose something related to the PC field? |
| 17:05.47 | LKJASFLKSJDF | hi how does one turn lenny's recommends off. |
| 17:05.52 | LKJASFLKSJDF | i don't want a toaster |
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| 17:06.12 | enouf | ahh, it's pwgen - Automatic Password generation |
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| 17:06.31 | enouf | LKJASFLKSJDF: use -R |
| 17:06.40 | LKJASFLKSJDF | no there is a config setting |
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| 17:06.52 | ajehals | Hi, I have a query, my Xserver (on lenny) seems to never free any memory (well the Xorg process VmSize rises continually) until the machine (IBM Thinkpad X31, 1G Ram) becomes almost unresponsive, restarting th Xserver fixes it (for a time) anyone have any ideas for a solution? |
| 17:06.53 | enouf | LKJASFLKSJDF: oh, wait - maybe ... add this to /etc/apt.conf.d/ |
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| 17:07.52 | LKJASFLKSJDF | add what ? |
| 17:09.00 | enouf | LKJASFLKSJDF: ~$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends |
| 17:09.00 | enouf | APT::Install-Recommends="false"; |
| 17:09.31 | roxazer | aidehua: try the "dead" hard drive in an other computer? |
| 17:09.35 | enouf | LKJASFLKSJDF: i never use aptitude though, so ymmv |
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| 17:10.46 | enouf | roxazer: you sure hda is a HDD? |
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| 17:11.10 | roxazer | enouf: yes? what else? :P |
| 17:11.14 | enouf | (although, i see indications of it being one over a optical) |
| 17:11.30 | enouf | roxazer: want to see some optical drive errors? |
| 17:11.43 | roxazer | what? |
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| 17:11.52 | enouf | newegg has a sale |
| 17:11.55 | roxazer | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/QsBSfU53.html |
| 17:12.04 | roxazer | /dev/hda is the dead one |
| 17:12.18 | enouf | ok then |
| 17:12.19 | roxazer | i have /home/ on /dev/sdb |
| 17:12.24 | roxazer | /dev/hdb* |
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| 17:14.15 | enouf | roxazer: regular system bootup that happens? any funky kernel params? when did this start? did it work just prior? try a livecd boot |
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| 17:15.29 | danielito | hello my friends. small problem: I installed debian with gnome. everything running fine. now I wanna control this box over vnc. installed vnc, remote control works. now I wanna startup the box without a monitor attached to the box - but X does not startup. any solution? |
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| 17:16.13 | shamrock | roxazer: how does group get its stuff if hda is down? |
| 17:16.17 | stew | danielito: why do you want to start x if there is no monitor? |
| 17:16.21 | shamrock | s/group/grub |
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| 17:16.36 | danielito | stew: well I don't mind if it starts up or not |
| 17:16.47 | danielito | stew: but if it doesn't, I'm not able to control the box via remote |
| 17:17.03 | shamrock | danielito: you are using vncviewer? |
| 17:17.05 | roxazer | enouf: i saw it when i put a screen in my debianbox and when i was logging in as root via ssh i got those error messages |
| 17:17.19 | stew | danielito: oh, most vnc server have their own x server, sot hey don't depend on xorg starting, which vnc server are you using? |
| 17:17.24 | danielito | shamrock: yep. but I'm not sure which server runs on debian. I just configured it out of gnome |
| 17:17.29 | roxazer | shamrock: its not down, i think it is broken |
| 17:17.35 | roxazer | wols said it was dead :o |
| 17:17.38 | shamrock | turn on x forwarding instead in your ssh options. and then run your apps from the commando line on the remote box. |
| 17:17.50 | danielito | stew: I used the one that is configured out of gnome, have to have a look... |
| 17:18.34 | shamrock | It is really cool to run, say firestarter GUI, on the local machine as if it was on the remote but without the overhead of an entire desktop. |
| 17:19.05 | enouf | roxazer: smartmontools, badblocks, and your HDD manu diagnostic tools will help confirm it's state, check BIOS, cables, and jumper |
| 17:19.55 | danielito | stew, shamrock: seems it's the /usr/lib/vino/vino-server that starts up |
| 17:20.00 | danielito | so I should switch to another one? |
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| 17:20.17 | danielito | or might it be easier to just set the x-server to startup even without a monitor connected!? |
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| 17:20.32 | LKJASFLKSJDF | danielito: that is what happens. |
| 17:21.00 | LKJASFLKSJDF | if htere is a monitor you see it, if not you don't |
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| 17:21.20 | danielito | LKJASFLKSJDF: but then it's nearly useless |
| 17:21.49 | enouf | LKJASFLKSJDF: didn't work? |
| 17:21.57 | LKJASFLKSJDF | LKJASFLKSJDF: yeah did. |
| 17:22.24 | stew | danielito: yeah, look at vncserver or vnc4server |
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| 17:22.35 | zibri | i'm having problem with an autogen.sh for ncmpc, which claims that i do not meet the minimum version requirement for automake. Which i do. Tried to edit the comparisons in the script to compare to 0, which works, but then there's other errors while generating makefiles |
| 17:22.36 | LKJASFLKSJDF | the thing is i'm having to run debian in a chroot. :( can't get it to boot to debian its a small arm box) |
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| 17:26.45 | enouf | zibri: update-alternatives --config automake ? |
| 17:27.50 | zibri | uhm, yeah. tried that to, but the version they are looking for is 1.6, which isn't in repos |
| 17:27.57 | roxazer | enouf: cant i run some hard drive scan or something? the same that is going when u have booted your computer like 20 times it runs a check? |
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| 17:28.11 | danielito | hmmm |
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| 17:28.21 | enouf | well, you'd think 1.9 meets "minimum version requirement " |
| 17:28.45 | zibri | yeah.. |
| 17:28.57 | enouf | roxazer: all those 3 things i mentioned + a livecd |
| 17:29.12 | enouf | roxazer: oj |
| 17:29.45 | enouf | roxazer: oh - a fsck? the issue seems to be a hardware one, so the controller can't even communicate with it |
| 17:29.57 | Rod-84 | \quit |
| 17:30.38 | roxazer | okey :/ |
| 17:30.46 | enouf | roxazer: if you want, "touch /forcefsck" and reboot as usual (hopefully your /etc/fstab is in order) |
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| 17:31.07 | roxazer | how do i use smartmontools? |
| 17:31.12 | enouf | that should fsck / partition upon reboot |
| 17:31.23 | roxazer | smartctl --all /dev/hda ? |
| 17:31.59 | enouf | what's the iface? PATA? or SATA, i think for sata you need also -d ? i forget |
| 17:32.13 | zibri | enouf: ah, maybe i know what the problem is (atleast one of them). I use automake-1.10, and it seems that the script is lousy at determining which version is minor :) |
| 17:32.17 | roxazer | ATA afaik |
| 17:32.22 | roxazer | not SATRA |
| 17:32.24 | roxazer | SATA* |
| 17:32.26 | zibri | with 1.9 it works, but there's other problems :) |
| 17:32.45 | enouf | roxazer: sata is ata/ide - but i understand, it's pata |
| 17:32.51 | roxazer | yeah |
| 17:32.53 | roxazer | right |
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| 17:34.08 | roxazer | enouf: so what should i run? |
| 17:34.16 | enouf | did you check the cables and connections already? you might have bumped something when hooking up Video |
| 17:34.31 | roxazer | yeah i checked it |
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| 17:34.57 | enouf | something like you showed - see dpkg -L smartmontools | grep doc |
| 17:35.12 | LKJASFLKSJDF | anyone know which package lsusb is in |
| 17:35.21 | enouf | man smartctl |
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| 17:35.42 | enouf | usbutils: /usr/sbin/lsusb |
| 17:36.08 | roxazer | enouf: it didnt show any errors |
| 17:36.10 | enouf | !dlocate |
| 17:36.10 | dpkg | it has been said that dlocate is now similar to <locate>, can be used to locate the package a file belongs to; "update-dlocatedb" to update the database to include recently installed files - has similar functionality as dpkg -S, but is faster |
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| 17:36.39 | LKJASFLKSJDF | ok. |
| 17:36.45 | enouf | roxazer: did it work? try your Manu HDD Diagnostics too now |
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| 17:37.06 | enouf | roxazer: i think there are much longer tests |
| 17:37.09 | roxazer | enouf: whats that? |
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| 17:37.24 | enouf | Seatools, and such |
| 17:37.35 | roxazer | okey... |
| 17:37.41 | enouf | DataLifeguard? |
| 17:37.57 | enouf | whatever your Manufacturer's tools are |
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| 17:38.10 | roxazer | cant find those in aptitude search seatools etc. |
| 17:38.11 | enouf | roxazer: the HDD manu, not the system manu |
| 17:38.19 | enouf | ... |
| 17:38.24 | pcacjr | tuliohm: hey guy, wassup? |
| 17:38.34 | tuliohm | pcacjr, hi |
| 17:38.41 | enouf | Google Seagate seatools if your HDD is a seagate or maxtor |
| 17:38.43 | tuliohm | im fine ;] |
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| 17:39.00 | pcacjr | tuliohm: take a pvp from me, |
| 17:39.01 | pcacjr | ;) |
| 17:39.04 | pcacjr | ops pvt* |
| 17:39.05 | roxazer | enouf: whats the HDD menu? |
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| 17:39.40 | roxazer | my hdd is a Fujitsu |
| 17:39.48 | roxazer | Model Family: Fujitsu MPB series |
| 17:39.48 | roxazer | Device Model: FUJITSU MPB3064ATU |
| 17:39.52 | roxazer | an old HDD |
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| 17:40.16 | Raylz | could it be, that iceweasel in lenny is slower than firefox? |
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| 17:41.18 | pcacjr | Raylz: I think you should find somewhere about that. as a benchmark for example. |
| 17:41.37 | pcacjr | or just testing its stuffs. |
| 17:41.58 | Raylz | pcacjr: im using kubuntu kde 4.1 and debian lenny |
| 17:42.14 | tuliohm | hmm |
| 17:42.14 | pcacjr | have you tested either kubuntu and debian lenny? |
| 17:42.26 | Raylz | and iceweasel sometimes loads a little long |
| 17:42.31 | shamrock | What program do you recommend to transfer my DVD movies to avi/mpg/mov or whatever? |
| 17:42.39 | Raylz | pcacjr: firefox on kubuntu, iceweasel on lenny |
| 17:42.52 | pcacjr | Raylz: you could to take a look in your top environment. |
| 17:43.04 | Raylz | pcacjr: how? |
| 17:43.07 | pcacjr | Raylz: looks to your memory use. |
| 17:43.26 | pcacjr | Raylz: type: top in your console |
| 17:43.31 | pcacjr | 'top' |
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| 17:43.46 | Raylz | pcacjr: youre right, didnt think of this |
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| 17:43.53 | pcacjr | Raylz: so you try figure out about that. |
| 17:43.54 | whizz | anyone knows why update times out on mirrors.kernel.org? |
| 17:44.00 | Raylz | pcacjr: did iceweasel fix memory leaks? |
| 17:44.28 | whizz | I have the problem since yesterday |
| 17:44.33 | pcacjr | Raylz: sorry, I do no, find that. |
| 17:44.40 | whizz | its for updating the non-free packages |
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| 17:45.12 | whizz | my sources.list line is: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main non-free |
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| 17:45.43 | shamrock | any recommendations for a debina dvd ripper? |
| 17:46.06 | tuliohm | whizz, |
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| 17:46.23 | tuliohm | here on a webbrowser |
| 17:46.28 | tuliohm | the connection times out |
| 17:46.29 | tuliohm | too |
| 17:46.39 | tuliohm | this is the server.. |
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| 17:47.23 | Raylz | pcacjr: iceweasel uses about a third less ram, nice |
| 17:47.47 | whizz | it does respond to ping... |
| 17:47.48 | pcacjr | Raylz: oww it seems be fine ;) |
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| 17:48.09 | pcacjr | Raylz: there so you've your question ;) |
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| 17:48.38 | Raylz | pcacjr: didnt know this, but this is rly awesome |
| 17:48.39 | teclo- | Hm what is the maximal memory you can use when running Debian GNU/Linux 32bit on x86 ? |
| 17:48.54 | pcacjr | Raylz: what do you mean? |
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| 17:49.06 | Raylz | pcacjr: that iceweasel uses less ram |
| 17:49.26 | Raylz | pcacjr: but i have 2 gig ram anyway |
| 17:49.28 | pcacjr | Raylz: oh yeah, the one for me uses less ram as well. |
| 17:49.28 | pcacjr | ;) |
| 17:49.41 | pcacjr | omg, so don't worry man just enjoy it. |
| 17:49.41 | pcacjr | ;) |
| 17:50.02 | Raylz | pcacjr: that proves again that debian is awesome^^ |
| 17:50.21 | pcacjr | uhuh yea ;) |
| 17:50.24 | tuliohm | Raylz, i agree |
| 17:50.25 | tuliohm | ;] |
| 17:50.28 | Raylz | btw is your ekiga working? |
| 17:50.34 | tuliohm | and whizz |
| 17:50.35 | pcacjr | at least isn't awkward ;) |
| 17:50.42 | tuliohm | here to, ping responds |
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| 17:50.56 | lunk | iceweasel, what a piece of crap, it makes me go to my windows machine to view webpages |
| 17:51.03 | tuliohm | but the problem is the server |
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| 17:51.14 | tuliohm | o.O |
| 17:51.22 | tuliohm | lunk, |
| 17:51.25 | pcacjr | jeez |
| 17:51.26 | tuliohm | why u say this? |
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| 17:51.42 | tuliohm | whats wrong with iceweasel |
| 17:51.43 | tuliohm | ? |
| 17:51.50 | pcacjr | lunk: how about that? |
| 17:51.55 | whizz | tuliohm: I've changed it to a local mirror, that seems to work :) |
| 17:52.00 | whizz | thx |
| 17:52.07 | tuliohm | nopz |
| 17:52.31 | tuliohm | whizz, |
| 17:52.36 | lunk | it's slow, huge, cumbersom and antiquated. |
| 17:52.40 | tuliohm | after about 5 min waiting |
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| 17:52.48 | tuliohm | the web browser responds |
| 17:53.06 | pcacjr | lunk: depends on your machine I guess. |
| 17:53.31 | tuliohm | lunk, i think u r describing IE |
| 17:53.32 | pcacjr | lunk: often, it's something wrong there. |
| 17:53.34 | tuliohm | ;) |
| 17:53.34 | lunk | dual p3-600 it's dog slow, dual core 3 ghz, just mega slow |
| 17:53.38 | whizz | tuliohm: I see.. busy in one way or oneother |
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| 17:54.10 | lunk | not to mention it's an entire major release behind |
| 17:54.18 | tuliohm | lunk, i have an atlhon xp 1800+ |
| 17:54.27 | tuliohm | and i dont had problem |
| 17:54.28 | pcacjr | lunk: it can be because this I don't think but take out an information anywhere. ;) |
| 17:54.36 | arkora | Has anybody ever rebuilt a RAID-5 array? I've just plugged a new disk in, no OS running, just the RAID BIOS. It has been rebuilding for FOUR hours, and it's still not finished. The array size is 290 GB, Intel RAID controller. Arghh |
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| 17:54.57 | lunk | pcacjr: heh, i read that line a few times, what? |
| 17:55.39 | pcacjr | lunk: what's the amount of memory have you? |
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| 17:59.05 | torr | if I rebuild and dpkg -i my package, will a later synaptic reinstall the package will use the same rebuild or the original build? |
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| 18:00.34 | tuliohm | torr, i think that sinaptic needs the .deb to reintall |
| 18:01.05 | torr | tuliohm, the .deb is somwhere on my homedir |
| 18:01.16 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hello, if I revoked my gpg key by mistake, is there a way to re-enable it? |
| 18:02.37 | tuliohm | but synaptic dont know this.. i think u need to remove and reinstall with dpkg |
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| 18:02.47 | tuliohm | torr, |
| 18:02.51 | tuliohm | but synaptic dont know this.. i think u need to remove and reinstall with dpkg |
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| 18:03.02 | pistache | Hi everybody, I want to apply a regexp to this text : http://rafb.net/p/cV4LFv30.html |
| 18:03.09 | torr | ok |
| 18:03.12 | pistache | Is there any way in a regexp to get only the number written after "Pos:" ? I searched but not found, it was always showing the initial string. The output is coming from Netcat and I want to apply the regexp using a pipe. Does any can give me a regexp for this ? |
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| 18:03.43 | aadil | hi |
| 18:05.09 | tuliohm | pistache, |
| 18:05.22 | tuliohm | what do u want to do with this text? |
| 18:05.30 | tuliohm | change the "Pos:" number? |
| 18:05.50 | pistache | tuliohm > No just filter ot get only the number after "Pos: " |
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| 18:06.18 | tuliohm | pistache, |
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| 18:06.24 | Eulex | pistache, replace "Pos: " with nothing, a simple replace with sed. |
| 18:06.27 | tuliohm | u can do this with awk |
| 18:06.51 | Sweetandy | Does anybody know of any console applications that make good use of the color scheme of the console and reverse video, etc.? |
| 18:06.56 | tuliohm | cat file | grep Pos | awk '{print $2}' |
| 18:06.59 | tuliohm | pistache, |
| 18:07.01 | tuliohm | cat file | grep Pos | awk '{print $2}' |
| 18:07.05 | tuliohm | try this |
| 18:07.18 | grendal_prime | i got this werid situation im loged into a server and im looking at a file that i want to scp from the server to another machine that is connected via openvpn. Now it just wont do it. I can ssh to the box..just fine but if i try and scp to it. it ither hangs and does nothing or it tells me the file does not exist. |
| 18:07.35 | Eulex | tuliohm, hah, that's nice. it fetches the first number it finds? |
| 18:07.49 | amphi | Sweetandy: many ncurses progs |
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| 18:08.17 | pistache | thanks tuliohm |
| 18:08.21 | tuliohm | Eulex, this prints only the Pos number |
| 18:08.24 | tuliohm | nopz |
| 18:08.38 | Eulex | tuliohm, because of the grep, yes |
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| 18:08.44 | grendal_prime | nevermind stuipd me forgot the : |
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| 18:09.05 | tuliohm | Eulex, yes ;) |
| 18:09.08 | abrotman | pistache: use grep and awk |
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| 18:09.56 | tuliohm | abrotman, i answer his question ;P |
| 18:10.20 | pistache | Thanks anyway ^^ |
| 18:10.22 | abrotman | foo | grep Pos | awk -F: '{print $2}' |
| 18:10.42 | pistache | abrotman > Did'nt tuliohm told me that before ? |
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| 18:11.18 | pistache | Anyway, the tuliohm's solution (and abrotman's too :p) is working |
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| 18:11.28 | tuliohm | pistache, |
| 18:11.37 | pistache | I'm just doing a nautilus script to play a file in MPD outside the database directory |
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| 18:11.47 | stefan_k | Hello, knows anybody the release date of debian lenny 5.0 ? |
| 18:12.05 | tuliohm | be carefull because with the -F option that abrotman sad, the separator is only the ':' but if u see, u have an blank space too |
| 18:12.30 | pistache | Ah yes |
| 18:12.51 | pistache | But anyway it works with 442 spaces as well ^^ |
| 18:13.40 | tuliohm | stefan_k, i think that on this month yet |
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| 18:14.26 | Snadder | /server irc.ircsystems.net 6667 |
| 18:14.28 | Snadder | Ops |
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| 18:15.12 | stefan_k | tuliohm: thanks |
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| 18:16.53 | hagna | when I try to open a terminal gnome opens the window but no prompt ever appears |
| 18:17.05 | tuliohm | hmm |
| 18:17.08 | tuliohm | hagna, |
| 18:17.10 | hagna | there is nothing about this error in /var/log/messages |
| 18:17.15 | tuliohm | gnome-terminal? |
| 18:17.23 | hagna | yeah I think so |
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| 18:17.40 | tuliohm | did u try with other terminal emulator? |
| 18:17.44 | tuliohm | try xterm |
| 18:17.44 | hagna | tuliohm: luckily I can ssh in stil |
| 18:17.50 | hagna | ok |
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| 18:18.26 | Snadder | Which package do I need to get the command "make"? |
| 18:18.44 | Raylz | Snadder: build-essential |
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| 18:19.29 | tuliohm | Snadder, specifically make package |
| 18:19.51 | Snadder | Raylz: Damn... I have xandros linux on an asus eee 900.. and it seems build-essential dosnt exist there |
| 18:20.02 | tuliohm | build-essential ll install make+others packges to building |
| 18:20.17 | hagna | tuliohm: hah I can launch xterm and gnome-terminal from ssh into the box |
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| 18:20.34 | hagna | but not from the desktop which is frozen |
| 18:20.44 | tuliohm | strange |
| 18:20.46 | tuliohm | hagna, |
| 18:20.52 | tuliohm | and on TTy's |
| 18:20.58 | tuliohm | did u try/ |
| 18:20.59 | hagna | TTYs? |
| 18:21.08 | tuliohm | ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 18:21.10 | Snadder | Anyone remember a good channel for asus eee ? |
| 18:21.11 | tuliohm | ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 18:21.12 | tuliohm | etc |
| 18:21.25 | hagna | oh let's see |
| 18:21.34 | tuliohm | Snadder, here ;] |
| 18:21.37 | hagna | yeah taht works |
| 18:21.39 | craigevil | Snadder: #eeepc or #debian-eeepc on oftc |
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| 18:21.46 | Raylz | Snadder: build-essential is a meta package, which contains many programs for compiling |
| 18:21.55 | Snadder | craigevil: oftc? |
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| 18:22.12 | tuliohm | hagna, so.. when this happends? |
| 18:22.17 | Snadder | Raylz: When I search for build-essential.. I dont get up anything. |
| 18:22.18 | tuliohm | did u install something ? |
| 18:22.27 | tuliohm | Snadder, |
| 18:22.29 | Raylz | Snadder: take a look at this http://packages.debian.org/lenny/build-essential |
| 18:22.37 | abrotman | tuliohm: lay off the enter key |
| 18:22.41 | Snadder | Raylz: Remember.. I have asus eee |
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| 18:22.59 | Raylz | Snadder: do you even have a package manager? |
| 18:23.12 | Raylz | Snadder: mine works with eeexubuntu^^ |
| 18:23.19 | tuliohm | abrotman, srry :} |
| 18:23.47 | pcacjr | Snadder: oftc.net is a server likely as kernel hacker talking about to. |
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| 18:24.04 | tuliohm | Snadder, are u using debian on the eee pc? |
| 18:24.11 | abrotman | !tell tuliohm about u |
| 18:24.11 | hagna | ctrl + alt + f1 and f2 work fine |
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| 18:24.29 | Snadder | tuliohm: nopes.. xandros |
| 18:24.43 | hagna | tuliohm: how do you get back to X? |
| 18:24.51 | psylance | aidehua: how can i automate the creation of 100 users? |
| 18:24.56 | tuliohm | hagna, alt+f7 |
| 18:24.56 | psylance | i jus tried |
| 18:24.59 | psylance | can't do it |
| 18:25.01 | hagna | ahh thanks |
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| 18:25.47 | tuliohm | hagna, try to reinstall gnome-terminal |
| 18:26.01 | hagna | tuliohm: why? gnome-terminal works |
| 18:26.18 | hagna | just not launching it from desktop |
| 18:26.25 | tuliohm | hagna, u sad that the screen frozen when u try to use |
| 18:26.26 | tuliohm | lol |
| 18:26.35 | tuliohm | hmm |
| 18:26.44 | hagna | oh this is ubuntu hardy so maybe I'm ot |
| 18:26.45 | torr | what is the recommendation regarding installing form source.tar.gz? |
| 18:27.14 | abrotman | !tell tuliohm about u |
| 18:27.16 | pistache | hagna > Try opening gnome-terminal and then hitting Ctrl+C |
| 18:27.26 | simonrvn | torr: dude, just in case i missed it, get the source package |
| 18:27.26 | pcacjr | torr: one nice stuff ;) |
| 18:27.35 | pistache | Maybe your .bashrc is buggy |
| 18:27.51 | abrotman | hagna: go to #ubuntu |
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| 18:28.48 | torr | simonrvn, pcacjr , humm? |
| 18:29.06 | hagna | pistache: pretty sure this is gnome because xterm starts fine and gnome-term as root started fine |
| 18:29.08 | abrotman | !tell torr about stow |
| 18:29.11 | abrotman | !tell torr about checkinstall |
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| 18:29.12 | simonrvn | torr: what? |
| 18:29.14 | abrotman | hagna: go to #ubuntu |
| 18:29.29 | hagna | abrotman: I did |
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| 18:29.34 | abrotman | hagna: then stop asking here |
| 18:29.44 | hagna | I stated not asked |
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| 18:31.03 | tuliohm | torr, read this http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/softinstall.html |
| 18:31.18 | abrotman | torr: that said .. making a package is really the best way |
| 18:31.32 | fbc | How can I make postfix respond for an additional port? |
| 18:31.43 | abrotman | fbc: ask #postfix |
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| 18:32.32 | fbc | ok |
| 18:32.43 | mns____ | Anyone here use rsync ? I've got a rsync-master from which I'm trying to pull stuff onto my local client. I get messages on the client side saying that some files didn't come across because of permission issues (they are not world readable/executable). Besides changing the permissions on the rsync-master and then making changes on the client side, is there a way to run rsync so that this doesn't happen ? |
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| 18:33.14 | abrotman | run the rsync as root(on server) over ssh ? |
| 18:33.15 | torr | tuliohm, I know that, what I want to know is the risk to my server stablility |
| 18:33.47 | tuliohm | torr, compiling a package improves the stability |
| 18:34.10 | abrotman | tuliohm: go away |
| 18:34.17 | tuliohm | abrotman, |
| 18:34.20 | tuliohm | why? o.O |
| 18:34.24 | wols | torr: best ignore tuliohm |
| 18:34.41 | tuliohm | what i do? |
| 18:34.43 | abrotman | tuliohm: you're not helping anyone |
| 18:34.51 | tuliohm | why not? |
| 18:34.52 | tuliohm | :/ |
| 18:35.30 | pcacjr | abrotman: and you have helped anyone at this moment? |
| 18:35.43 | abrotman | more than he has |
| 18:35.46 | pcacjr | or just wondering to know whether you one day could to help someone. |
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| 18:36.04 | tuliohm | abrotman, im helping how i can... |
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| 18:36.09 | tuliohm | if u dont like |
| 18:36.13 | mns____ | abrotman has helped me out on lots of various occasions |
| 18:36.13 | tuliohm | u help |
| 18:36.22 | pcacjr | never mind what he's helping about |
| 18:36.47 | pcacjr | mns____: I didn't say about that man. |
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| 18:37.25 | pcacjr | he should have helped yea, if you told me. just leaving his help being welcome. |
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| 18:37.57 | tuliohm | mns____, i sad that im trying to help and abrotman only reclaim |
| 18:37.59 | tuliohm | ... |
| 18:37.59 | abrotman | if you want to discuss this, please go to #debian-offtopic |
| 18:38.13 | pcacjr | wtf? |
| 18:38.17 | tuliohm | no, i dont want to discuss this |
| 18:38.21 | fat_rat | lol |
| 18:38.21 | tuliohm | ... |
| 18:38.25 | tview | how can one start an application minimised from the gnome panel? e.g I want to start realplayer from the icon but have it minimised at startup. |
| 18:38.35 | pcacjr | it looks be just to nerds tired |
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| 18:39.07 | tuliohm | tview, try to look at realplayer settings... |
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| 18:40.08 | pcacjr | I misunderstood really. forget then |
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| 18:50.33 | pistache | hey gays. I just saw a big discussion between tuliohm and abrotman. Slow down ! |
| 18:50.43 | pistache | tuliohm helped me, as abrotman did ^^ |
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| 18:50.48 | pistache | Your both helping us |
| 18:51.01 | simonrvn | "guys"; "You're" |
| 18:51.13 | tuliohm | pistache, thaknz |
| 18:51.14 | pistache | simonrvn > Right. |
| 18:51.17 | tuliohm | ;P |
| 18:52.38 | simonrvn | seriously. you don't know how it sounds to someone with more experience using english. |
| 18:52.50 | simonrvn | (rather funny hehe) |
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| 18:54.03 | pistache | simonrvn > I do speak english |
| 18:54.17 | pistache | I'm french, but I'm learning English since many years now |
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| 18:54.27 | pistache | 'Was just a bit tired... |
| 18:55.04 | simonrvn | it's np. just trying to help people communicate better, even if i can't. |
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| 18:56.42 | xopey | i'm trying to install debian. i'm able to boot to the cdrom, but later early in the install it specifies that it cannot mount the cdrom |
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| 18:58.40 | CuBe0wL | hi all! could anybody help me in a webcam driver patch? |
| 18:58.46 | SamuraiDio | !oss4 |
| 18:58.53 | SamuraiDio | !oss |
| 18:58.53 | dpkg | i guess oss is an acronym for Open Source Software that is ironically the acronym referring to 'Open Sound Systems', some very <non-free> and non-open-source software. It is also Online SAP Support. SAP is VERY non-free. (www.4front-tech.com for OSS) or an acronym coined by Vinod Valipollil in the <Halloween> document. the "standard" audio drivers in the 2.2-2.4 series of Linux kernels (see <ALSA> for 2.6 info). OldSchoolSound |
| 18:59.08 | tuliohm | CuBe0wL, what's the model of ur webcam? |
| 18:59.42 | CuBe0wL | tuliohm, Bus 001 Device 003: ID 046d:08f6 Logitech, Inc. Quickcam Messenger Plus |
| 18:59.44 | SamuraiDio | how do i install oss4? |
| 18:59.52 | CuBe0wL | I know the particular driver for that |
| 18:59.58 | CuBe0wL | but it just won't compile |
| 19:00.02 | simonrvn | oss4? wth |
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| 19:00.13 | CuBe0wL | there's a patch for the 1.7 driver in gentoo |
| 19:00.13 | tuliohm | CuBe0wL, what happends? |
| 19:00.23 | CuBe0wL | tuliohm, a second |
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| 19:00.33 | CuBe0wL | I'll get the log in a pastebin |
| 19:00.36 | tuliohm | ok |
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| 19:01.37 | CuBe0wL | tuliohm, do you need the original driver's log, or the patched one? |
| 19:01.43 | CuBe0wL | and 1.7 or 1.8 ? |
| 19:02.05 | tview | tuliohm: what about the realplayer settings? Is there a start minimised option? Cant see it. |
| 19:02.29 | tuliohm | i dont know.. i sad to look because i dont use realplayer |
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| 19:02.43 | tuliohm | CuBe0wL, the patched |
| 19:02.48 | tview | CuBe0wL: does the spca package not cover it? |
| 19:02.48 | CuBe0wL | ok |
| 19:02.56 | CuBe0wL | tview, iirc no |
| 19:03.02 | CuBe0wL | I've tried several versions |
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| 19:03.17 | tview | tuliohm: Oh Isee. You didnt know and were trying to be clever, Funny enough I had checked that which is why I asked teh question I did. |
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| 19:03.31 | CuBe0wL | tview, these are the only version that worked for me: http://home.mag.cx/messenger/source/ |
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| 19:03.43 | CuBe0wL | but now, neither 1.7 or 1.8 works |
| 19:04.14 | tview | CuBe0wL: I have a quickcam communicate stx and I know the spca package covers most on the market |
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| 19:04.44 | simonrvn | tview: i have this generic webcam that worked fine with spcaxx |
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| 19:04.49 | simonrvn | works* |
| 19:05.06 | tview | simonrvn: thats nice. |
| 19:05.09 | CuBe0wL | tuliohm, http://pastebin.com/f4fa91ca9 |
| 19:05.21 | simonrvn | camorama camstream are nice apps to use with it |
| 19:05.34 | CuBe0wL | yes, getting this camera to work was always a hassle |
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| 19:05.45 | abrotman | judd: hiya! |
| 19:05.58 | simonrvn | tview: you the one with the webcam problem, or is it CuBe0wL? |
| 19:05.59 | tview | CuBe0wL: did you do a ./configure first? |
| 19:06.07 | CuBe0wL | simonrvn, yes |
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| 19:06.14 | tview | simonrvn: CuBe0wL. Mine works fine. |
| 19:06.18 | simonrvn | oh, heh |
| 19:06.29 | tview | :-; |
| 19:06.33 | CuBe0wL | tview, iirc there's no ./configure script |
| 19:06.38 | simonrvn | so that's for CuBe0wL then ^^^ |
| 19:06.41 | CuBe0wL | but I'll check again |
| 19:07.03 | CuBe0wL | tview, could you give me an lsusb of the webcam? |
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| 19:07.12 | tuliohm | CuBe0wL, did u try to make oldconfig && make prepare? |
| 19:07.19 | tview | Bus 002 Device 002: ID 046d:08d7 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Communicate STX |
| 19:07.27 | judd | abrotman: Error: "hiya!" is not a valid command. |
| 19:07.39 | tview | tuliohm: make oldconfig? |
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| 19:07.47 | CuBe0wL | tview, mine is 046d:08f6 |
| 19:07.48 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:07.52 | tuliohm | tview, look at the log |
| 19:07.57 | CuBe0wL | tuliohm, this is not a stock kernel driver |
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| 19:08.23 | simonrvn | dpkg: test |
| 19:08.23 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 19:08.24 | tview | CuBe0wL: but look at the error. |
| 19:08.46 | CuBe0wL | tview, I look at the error, but I know nothing about programming :D |
| 19:08.51 | simonrvn | judd's a supy i guess |
| 19:08.52 | tview | actually scrub that. tulioh : what about the log? |
| 19:08.53 | CuBe0wL | so it tells me nothing |
| 19:09.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | a supy? super spy? |
| 19:09.23 | simonrvn | supybot |
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| 19:09.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's probably 700 bots and 200 humans in here :) |
| 19:10.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | we just never realize |
| 19:10.25 | Spec | So, i'm using putty to ssh into a box and do X11 forwarding to Xming(or cygwin)....but it errors when I switch users and try to run xcalc...how do i switch users and still be able to forward X programs? |
| 19:10.30 | simonrvn | bots i figure there's about 50, the rest are lurkers ;p |
| 19:10.53 | ooter | whistles in the background |
| 19:10.58 | simonrvn | xauth |
| 19:10.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders if Nyle is some eliza-type experiment |
| 19:11.03 | simonrvn | ooter: hehe |
| 19:11.12 | Spec | the error is: http://pastebin.com/m684e1703 |
| 19:11.19 | tview | CutMeOwnThroat: did you install qc-usb-source ? |
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| 19:11.28 | Spec | xauth on whose end? the user i logged in as, or the user i switched into? |
| 19:11.42 | N1ckR | CutMeOwnThroat, that means the other 2 are aliens or some kind of higher level beings ? |
| 19:11.49 | tview | CutMeOwnThroat: an early version. The have since been trying to eradicate the "make tview really angry" bug. |
| 19:11.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | tview, that's a weird thing to ask a chappie out of thin air... |
| 19:12.18 | tview | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry. CuBe0wL that was for you |
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| 19:12.52 | tview | CuBe0wL: did you install qc-usb-source from synaptic? |
| 19:12.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | tview, it's not a bug, it's a feature! |
| 19:13.02 | Spec | simonrvn: got any documentation? |
| 19:13.08 | CuBe0wL | tview, yes, I've tried it with module assistant |
| 19:13.12 | CuBe0wL | but it failed |
| 19:13.15 | simonrvn | man xauth |
| 19:13.18 | simonrvn | :) |
| 19:13.26 | tview | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry. he's a pain in the butt. Constantly offering advice on things he knows nothing about. |
| 19:13.39 | simonrvn | probably just need to set DISPLAY and get the cookies |
| 19:13.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spec, do you have something like exceed or somesuch running on the windows computer? |
| 19:13.45 | tview | better to remain silent than give erroneous advice. anyone can give wrong advice. |
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| 19:13.58 | Spec | CutMeOwnThroat: exceed? |
| 19:14.24 | CuBe0wL | tview, I'll try again |
| 19:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | tview, maybe better for the asker, but less fun for the guy answering (I had the impression that in the last town I lived it was a sport to lead people astray who ask you for the way) |
| 19:15.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 19:15.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !exceed |
| 19:15.13 | dpkg | IT'S A DAMN XSERVER! NOW STFU! |
| 19:15.38 | abrotman | simonrvn: yes .. a supybot.. stew had a blog entry about it |
| 19:15.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spec, some type of x-server - there are free alternatives (whose name momentarily escape me) |
| 19:15.51 | tview | CutMeOwnThroat: how is it better for the asker to get some idiot giving wrong advice all the time? Applying wrong fixes under root can hose a system. |
| 19:15.58 | Spec | oh, i've got xming and cygwin, both work |
| 19:16.13 | simonrvn | abrotman: i don't read stew's blog (i don't even know where to fetch it, heh) |
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| 19:16.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spec, strange - because... if you didn't set DISPLAY to 10:, then ssh did - so the forwarding should work - that would make me guess that your local xserver is just not running |
| 19:17.10 | CuBe0wL | tview, can I specify the gcc version for module assistant? |
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| 19:17.34 | Spec | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm not trying to run X |
| 19:17.45 | CuBe0wL | 2.6.26-1-686 was compiled with gcc 4.1, but with build-essentials, 4.3 will install |
| 19:17.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spec, that means? |
| 19:17.56 | Spec | i can run X when I login as my user |
| 19:17.58 | Spec | err, sorry |
| 19:17.58 | CuBe0wL | and that'll be the deafult |
| 19:17.59 | Spec | i can run xcalc |
| 19:18.04 | tview | CuBe0wL: yes. CC="gcc-4.1" command. Exact try google. |
| 19:18.12 | Spec | i'm trying to be able to run xcalc(forwarding through X) as a different user, that's all |
| 19:18.19 | CuBe0wL | so that works with every app? |
| 19:18.30 | tview | every thing that respects CC yes. |
| 19:18.32 | CuBe0wL | I know that I have to specify that for the nvidia driver |
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| 19:18.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spec, er - what do you mean "as a different user"? |
| 19:18.43 | tview | CuBe0wL: its in google. |
| 19:18.46 | CuBe0wL | tview, thanks, valuable info :) |
| 19:18.53 | tview | cant remember exact line now |
| 19:18.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spec, you mean you ssh into the machine, then su to a different account, then run the command? |
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| 19:19.17 | tview | but think before using nvidia driver. Use nvidia-glx instead. |
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| 19:19.26 | CuBe0wL | I've knewn that command, I just didn't know it can be used for all other commands too to specify wich gcc to use |
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| 19:19.37 | CuBe0wL | known sorry |
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| 19:19.44 | tview | CuBe0wL: like I said, only projects which respect CC. |
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| 19:19.57 | CuBe0wL | that's logical I think :) |
| 19:19.59 | Spec | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, i'm reading some documentation now |
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| 19:20.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spec, you do su? then it's no wonder |
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| 19:20.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spec, you're getting a magic cookie (yeah, probably with weed) on login - if you su to another user, he doesn't have it |
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| 19:20.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spec, so he isn't allowed access |
| 19:20.54 | Spec | CutMeOwnThroat: yeap, trying to figure out how to transfer magic cookie |
| 19:20.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spec, you can copy the |
| 19:21.03 | Spec | i thought xhost + solved that issue |
| 19:21.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spec, xauth list as the allowed user |
| 19:21.11 | Spec | yeap, got that cookie |
| 19:21.13 | Spec | err, numbers. |
| 19:21.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spec, then copy&paste the line and do xauth add <cookie> |
| 19:21.22 | Spec | i did that :p |
| 19:21.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spec, then you're all sed :) |
| 19:21.43 | Spec | didn't work :p |
| 19:21.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spec, check with xauth list |
| 19:22.35 | Spec | err, it's saying bad "add" command |
| 19:22.37 | simonrvn | using xhost is dangerous, best not to use it |
| 19:22.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spec, also, if you do su and not su -, you might still end up with the .Xauthority of the last user (behavior differs from system to system, dunno how it's in Debian) - and that wouldn't be readable by the new user |
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| 19:22.58 | pozic | Why does time X return when I interrupt it? I would expect it to return only when X is actually done. |
| 19:23.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, living is dangerous, best not to... :) |
| 19:23.08 | simonrvn | it'll chmod 600 so the new user won't be able to read it |
| 19:23.24 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: some stuff we can avoid ;). |
| 19:23.38 | drizzd | X is done if you interrupt it |
| 19:23.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, it's all a trade-off |
| 19:23.56 | pozic | drizzd: how can it be done if it can be continued by running fg? |
| 19:24.01 | simonrvn | !xhost |
| 19:24.01 | Spec | CutMeOwnThroat: as the user i switched into, I can do "xauth list", and i see the cookie |
| 19:24.01 | dpkg | well, xhost is EVIL! There are so many other ways of getting remote X apps to work that xhost should never be needed. For a more sensible approach, use ssh X11 forwarding (ask me about <sshx>). Also see <mit-magic-cookie>, http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html <nolisten> and "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost". To run applications on your local machine as another user, see <root x>. See also <xhost +localhost>. |
| 19:24.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spec, it's actually "xauth add <whole line from xauth list" |
| 19:25.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spec, and there are often multiple entries for the same authentification - only one of them will normally work for your case |
| 19:25.20 | Spec | CutMeOwnThroat: sexy |
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| 19:25.30 | Spec | works great :) |
| 19:25.31 | pozic | drizzd: don't you think that's very stupid behaviour? |
| 19:25.31 | drizzd | pozic: how about time sh -c X? |
| 19:25.43 | Spec | thanks much, will keep this in mind. |
| 19:26.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, well, NIS is evil evil, NFS is slow&evil, portmapper is probably also evil.... samba is not less evil... - but I agree, xhost is also evil :) |
| 19:26.15 | drizzd | pozic: I don't think `time' can do anything about it. If it's sent the interrupt signal, the default behavior is termination |
| 19:26.15 | streuner | Hat jemand mal nen guten DNS-Server? |
| 19:26.21 | streuner | oh, sorry :-) |
| 19:26.36 | jelly-hme | was? |
| 19:26.38 | drizzd | pozic: if its child (the program executing) handles the interrupt differently, that's out of time's influence |
| 19:26.42 | pozic | drizzd: maybe I said the wrong signal, I meant C-z. |
| 19:27.09 | pozic | drizzd: why would sh -c X do something else? |
| 19:27.12 | xingu | pozic: "time" is frequently a builtin; do you get different results with /usr/bin/time ? |
| 19:27.25 | drizzd | pozic: well, if you send C-z you are pausing the program, any timing would be meaningless beyond that |
| 19:27.42 | pozic | drizzd: I am interested in the amount of CPU time the child is taking up. |
| 19:28.03 | pozic | drizzd: when the process terminates, the information is lost. |
| 19:28.04 | drizzd | pozic: what does that have to do with pausing it? |
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| 19:28.24 | Blinkiz | When kernel 2.6.27 is released, will it be easy to build a debian system with that kernel? |
| 19:28.25 | pozic | drizzd: I want to do other things with my machine as well. |
| 19:29.12 | pozic | drizzd: browsing a webpage when >99% is being used is not that fast. |
| 19:29.14 | simonrvn | !tell Blinkiz -about k-p |
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| 19:30.04 | flower | I want to make a script to mount my external device. |
| 19:30.06 | flower | #!/bin/bash |
| 19:30.07 | flower | pmount /dev/sda2 sda2home |
| 19:30.14 | jelly-hme | pozic: is your program interactive? You could background it immediately, time X & |
| 19:30.25 | drizzd | pozic: how about time X & then |
| 19:30.29 | flower | how can i make it active? |
| 19:30.42 | flower | excecutable? |
| 19:30.45 | xingu | hands jelly a spare "o" |
| 19:30.49 | Raylz | flower: chmod +x script |
| 19:30.51 | flower | as user |
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| 19:30.53 | pozic | jelly-hme: how would that be different? |
| 19:31.07 | jelly-hme | pozic: immensely :-) |
| 19:31.08 | torr | clamav-0.94.dfsg from volatile crush on test/.split files |
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| 19:31.33 | pozic | jelly-hme: it's not "interactive". |
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| 19:31.50 | torr | segfault |
| 19:31.56 | flower | Raylz: thanks |
| 19:32.00 | jelly-home | pozic: good, so run it in background |
| 19:32.19 | pozic | jelly-home: but that's the same as when I do C-z bg, no? |
| 19:32.32 | xingu | wonders if bash's time builtin was designed with re-entrancy/ nesting in mind |
| 19:32.34 | xingu | doubts it |
| 19:32.42 | pozic | jelly-home: or is there some parsing difference? |
| 19:32.42 | CuBe0wL | tview, I've installed the driver, I'll reboot my pc now, to create the node in /dev/module (I know I can create the myself too, but dunno how, it's faster to reboot and let udev do the work :F ) |
| 19:32.46 | CuBe0wL | brb |
| 19:32.52 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, is it possible to have an alias for a username? (when i login to different boxes i use either one username or a different one -- i'd like to make an alias for my username) |
| 19:33.28 | jelly-home | pozic: if it were the same, why would I suggest it? |
| 19:33.32 | mick_laptop | in OSX people can login as either their "full name" or their "shortname" -- i figure that something like that would be possible w/ PAM |
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| 19:33.56 | pozic | jelly-home: let me rephrase it: I would like to learn something of this. Can you please explain the difference? |
| 19:33.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, to make fun of him? :) |
| 19:34.02 | drizzd | pozic: why are you bothering us with questions if you could simply try? of course it's not the same as C-z bg, because C-z is pausing the program (which was the problem) and starting it in the background is not pausing it. |
| 19:34.18 | jelly-home | pozic: I can't; I really dn |
| 19:34.31 | jelly-home | n't know how time is implemented :-) |
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| 19:34.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands jelly-home a spare 'o' |
| 19:35.10 | jelly-home | so I have a faulty keybard... |
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| 19:35.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems s, jelly-hme |
| 19:36.05 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: the nick was automatic, though |
| 19:36.19 | pozic | Is there a way to dump the state of program with pid P to disk so it can be resumed later? |
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| 19:36.53 | jelly-home | pozic: it's in very preliminary stages in the very newest kernels |
| 19:37.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | pozic, if you stop the program, it will eventually be swapped out to disk |
| 19:37.28 | mick_laptop | jelly-home: what is it called? |
| 19:37.33 | mick_laptop | that feature |
| 19:37.36 | pozic | CutMeOwnThroat: my machine is not always on. |
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| 19:38.00 | mick_laptop | pozic: what happens if you just suspend to disk/ram? |
| 19:38.07 | drizzd | pozic: if you don't want to change hosts, you can simply use kill -SIGSTOP |
| 19:38.16 | mick_laptop | or were you looking to achieve something else |
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| 19:38.31 | pozic | mick_laptop: I doubt that works here. |
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| 19:38.42 | drizzd | pozic: which is the same as C-z, incidentally |
| 19:38.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, amazing, never heared of it... so yeah, wazzit called and howsit supposed to work |
| 19:38.58 | jelly-home | pozic, mick_laptop, etc: http://lwn.net/Articles/293575/ |
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| 19:39.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | drizzd, doesn't help him if he switches the computer off in between :) |
| 19:39.35 | mick_laptop | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 19:41.48 | drizzd | CutMeOwnThroat: why? |
| 19:41.57 | drizzd | just use STR |
| 19:42.34 | drizzd | ok he said he couldn't use it |
| 19:45.03 | moqq | equivilent of "scp" for FTP? |
| 19:45.24 | lem0n | ftp |
| 19:45.25 | lem0n | :P |
| 19:46.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | "sftp"? |
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| 19:47.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | "cp" |
| 19:47.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | what type of guessing game is this? |
| 19:47.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | equivalent of an apple for bananas? |
| 19:47.44 | stew | moqq: ncftpput / ncftpget |
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| 19:49.48 | halflife08 | hello folks, is there a tool that does something like multicast copy. i have several tb's to be copied over from system to system x,y,z right now, i am doing them in serial fashion, is there a way to just make the copy like 1-to-many so that i don't have to copy it over and over again |
| 19:51.12 | justin | halflife08: apt-cache search multicast ? |
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| 19:52.40 | halflife08 | justin: i did that and all i have is libio-socket-multicast-perl |
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| 19:53.22 | justin | halflife08: sounds like your sources.list is broken |
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| 19:54.10 | torr | anyone from #debian-mentors here? |
| 19:55.25 | halflife08 | justin: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=multicast&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all shows the same thing, i guess i am missing something obvious and my sources.list has deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ lenny main non-free |
| 19:56.10 | justin | halflife08: that isn't apt-cache search |
| 19:56.26 | halflife08 | oh. |
| 19:56.35 | xingu | halflife08: http://www.tcnj.edu/~bush/uftp.html <-- I've seen something snazzier by one of the guys that worked on the "ghost" mcast protocol, but this'll do as a kicking off point |
| 19:56.46 | justin | searchon=names |
| 19:56.48 | justin | is not exactly the right option for that search |
| 19:57.13 | justin | xingu: sigh, or he could use one of the various programs already packaged |
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| 19:57.28 | CuBe0wL | re all |
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| 19:58.04 | xingu | justin: fair do; udpcast looks appropriate |
| 19:58.07 | tview | CuBe0wL: any luck? |
| 19:58.07 | CuBe0wL | tview, it's not working. it seems that tho the driver has compiled, it's not working, it doesn't link with any video nod in /dev/video* |
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| 19:58.19 | CuBe0wL | neither udev creates one for it |
| 19:58.31 | tview | did you insmod it? |
| 19:58.43 | tview | I think thats the term. stew or abrotman will know more. |
| 19:58.46 | CuBe0wL | I've added the modul in /etc/modules, so it should be up in boot time |
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| 19:59.16 | abrotman | the who ? |
| 19:59.16 | CuBe0wL | it's there |
| 19:59.17 | abrotman | modprobe |
| 19:59.20 | xingu | justin: actually you're quite correct, there are a tonne of them aren't there. |
| 19:59.31 | abrotman | unless you're trying to do a module with a full path |
| 19:59.43 | tview | CuBe0wL: whats your lsusb line? |
| 20:00.17 | tview | (indicentally isnt it mad that at this stage in debian/development there are still so many issues with things like webcams - its a rely put off to new adopters IMO) |
| 20:00.30 | tview | incidentally! |
| 20:00.45 | tview | that sounded a bit like indecent! |
| 20:01.22 | Kovensky | tview: well, at least I can report that it works perfectly with hp pavillion dv6000 webcam :) |
| 20:01.36 | Kovensky | 'mplayer tv:///dev/video0' shows a pretty good image |
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| 20:02.48 | CuBe0wL | tview, Bus 001 Device 003: ID 046d:08f6 Logitech, Inc. Quickcam Messenger Plus |
| 20:03.09 | tview | how can someone determine which process is tying up a device like the /dev/video0? |
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| 20:03.23 | CuBe0wL | fuser |
| 20:03.34 | CuBe0wL | tview, fuser |
| 20:04.12 | tview | CuBe0wL: and you got the 1.7 tar? |
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| 20:05.07 | CuBe0wL | nope, I've got: 1.8 tar, 1.7 tar, and the qc-usb-source |
| 20:05.17 | CuBe0wL | wtf.. there's a precompiled module too |
| 20:05.23 | CuBe0wL | gotta try that one too |
| 20:05.32 | CuBe0wL | but iirc I've trid that too |
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| 20:06.49 | maligor | tview, lsof also shows that |
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| 20:17.13 | grendal_prime | alright this is just werid |
| 20:18.08 | grendal_prime | i have a package. i made it . Its a meta package and it installs a few other packages that are in the repo, and adjusts some config files for those packages. it all seems to work fine accpet after it is installed. |
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| 20:18.47 | grendal_prime | if i use aptitude to see its status, it shows me two different packages, one that is not installed with the exact same name, and one that is installed.? |
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| 20:19.05 | grendal_prime | that make any sence.? |
| 20:19.10 | halflife08 | xingu: thanks |
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| 20:20.29 | grendal_prime | god damn it...the kids getting sent home from school...grrrrrrrrrrr |
| 20:21.30 | abrotman | Connection reset by teacher? |
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| 20:22.52 | zeta | weird why does the flash work in konqueror, and iceweasel but not swiftfox? |
| 20:23.20 | abrotman | because if swiftfox allowed flash .. it wouldn't be swift anymore? |
| 20:23.34 | zeta | lol wtf |
| 20:23.42 | abrotman | did you check about:plugins ? |
| 20:23.52 | abrotman | it may not check the standard mozilla plugin dirs |
| 20:24.01 | zeta | how do i check that? |
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| 20:25.47 | zeta | link /usr/lib/iceweasel/ /usr/lib/firefox/ |
| 20:25.48 | zeta | link: cannot create link `/usr/lib/firefox/' to `/usr/lib/iceweasel/': File exists |
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| 20:34.20 | Legality | Hi, is there a way to see that to which hdd grub has been installed? |
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| 20:48.55 | mhymn | Legality: where the grub directory is but there should be a better approch imo |
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| 20:49.24 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 20:49.35 | HardDisk_WP | could someone please hack me a bash script? |
| 20:49.59 | HardDisk_WP | shall loop from 1 to 1337 and call wget http://url/$i.png each loop |
| 20:50.03 | mhymn | hramrach: join #bash |
| 20:50.07 | mhymn | sorry |
| 20:50.14 | mhymn | HardDisk_WP: join #bash |
| 20:50.16 | HardDisk_WP | k |
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| 20:54.04 | mral3x | i've installed a program with wine and then i uninstalled wine but the launcher keeps appearing in my menus ... i have kde 4.1 .. how do i get rid of it ? |
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| 20:55.33 | mhymn | mral3x: try #debian-kde |
| 20:56.08 | mral3x | ok |
| 20:56.19 | sCOTTo | hey guys - I am building a debian server with 1TB HDD x 3 - one OS drive, a mirror raid & a External 1 TB drive, I am also thinking of putting a tape backup drive into it. I dont think they have ANYWHERE near 1 TB of data - but what is best long term as a tape backup device - any ideas? - I am new to this :) |
| 20:56.36 | mral3x | then can someone tell me a good torrent client for debian ? |
| 20:56.51 | mhymn | mral3x: ktorrent? |
| 20:56.56 | amphi | mral3x: I like rtorrent |
| 20:56.59 | justin | HardDisk_WP: uh, you don't need a loop to do that. read the part of the bash man page on Brace Expansion |
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| 20:57.44 | Pavlz | hello |
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| 20:58.30 | SPF | mhymn: dd if=/dev/hda of=/tmp/foo.txt bs=512 count=1 && hexedit /tmp/foo.txt |
| 20:58.45 | Pavlz | at the moment i am working with a GNU/linux Ubuntu, and i would to change in GNU/linux Debian |
| 20:58.48 | up365 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:59.25 | SPF | err, I ment Legality but he |
| 20:59.29 | SPF | s already gone |
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| 21:00.43 | Pavlz | i saw the pcmcia wireless tplink wn610g on http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility/TP-LINK#TL-WN610G |
| 21:00.54 | mral3x | i've installed ktorrent and all it says it's "stalled" |
| 21:01.00 | craigevil | mral3x: ktorrent, deluge, rtorrent, trasnmission take your pick |
| 21:01.08 | Pavlz | it seems to works fine with GNU/linux debian |
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| 21:01.21 | mhymn | Pavlz: atm you should ask #ubuntu |
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| 21:01.30 | craigevil | make sure its not being blocked by your firewall or router, ktorrent works just fine here |
| 21:01.45 | mral3x | craigevil: i have no router/firewall |
| 21:01.48 | Pavlz | as described: Working fine with MadWiFi driver. Test on Debian, Kubuntu Edgy and Fedora Core 6. |
| 21:02.00 | mral3x | bittorrent under wine worked just fine |
| 21:02.13 | mral3x | that's until it stopped openning |
| 21:02.14 | Pavlz | do you know if is fine supported by GNU/linux Debian ? |
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| 21:02.44 | Pavlz | and madwifi driver are in double license |
| 21:02.55 | Pavlz | drivers |
| 21:03.36 | Pavlz | any got this card ? |
| 21:04.03 | Pavlz | TP-LINK WN610G |
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| 21:04.59 | ceil420 | why would a package be 'kept back' by apt-get upgrade? |
| 21:05.35 | zeta | cuz |
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| 21:05.41 | dmoerner | if it has a version conflicts, for instance package-data has been upgraded but package is still sitting on incoming |
| 21:05.41 | mhymn | !tell ceil420 about kept back |
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| 21:05.42 | zeta | you dont want to unintentionally upgrade your kernel |
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| 21:05.51 | ceil420 | ah |
| 21:06.01 | ceil420 | zeta, it's just some python thing |
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| 21:17.04 | CuBe0wL | could somebody tell me what version of gcc was used to compile this kernel? linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 21:17.18 | CuBe0wL | (I don't have this one) |
| 21:18.07 | mhymn | CuBe0wL: cat /proc/version |
| 21:18.27 | mhymn | oh |
| 21:18.49 | mhymn | i have know clue if you don't have it yourself |
| 21:18.56 | mhymn | s/know/no |
| 21:18.59 | CuBe0wL | mhymn, ;) ok |
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| 21:19.06 | CuBe0wL | understood that way too :) |
| 21:19.13 | mhymn | ;) |
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| 21:22.14 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 21:22.25 | SamuraiDio | how can i make the ls command color clearer? |
| 21:23.03 | avu | SamuraiDio, configure the LS_COLORS environment variable to your liking |
| 21:23.17 | AbortRetryFail | how to do that is in the manpage |
| 21:23.20 | AbortRetryFail | (avu beat me to it :) |
| 21:23.46 | SamuraiDio | avu, but how is it's defaults configured? is it set in any file? where? |
| 21:23.47 | avu | SamuraiDio, dircolors(1) can help you |
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| 21:24.03 | avu | SamuraiDio, dircolors(1) does that by default |
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| 21:24.23 | avu | SamuraiDio, you can either do it by yourself entirely or use the FILE argument to dircolors(1) |
| 21:25.46 | mhymn | SamuraiDio: not bad to take a look at ~/.bashrc |
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| 21:28.49 | SamuraiDio | mhymn, bashrc hasn't to much |
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| 21:29.39 | mhymn | SamuraiDio: did you find this line --> # enable color support of ls and also add handy aliases |
| 21:29.50 | SamuraiDio | http://pastebin.com/f39128053 |
| 21:30.30 | avu | SamuraiDio, just read the dircolors manpage.. |
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| 21:34.17 | SamuraiDio | sure |
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| 21:34.47 | SamuraiDio | any idea on where i can find a good dircolors config file to darker terminals? |
| 21:36.16 | peck_ | i'd like to know too :) |
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| 21:39.24 | mhymn | !ls color |
| 21:39.25 | dpkg | add 'alias ls "ls --color"' to /etc/csh.cshrc, or uncomment the three lines in ~/.bash_profile which source ~/.bashrc, since the default .bashrc sets up the ls --color alias. Or ask me about ls colour |
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| 21:41.55 | peck_ | dpkg: ls colour ? |
| 21:41.55 | dpkg | If you want to have ls use colours then add "eval `dircolors -b`" to ~/.bash_profile . You will also need to add an alias line for ls: "alias ls='ls --color=auto'". Don't forget to source ~/.bash_profile |
| 21:41.59 | simNIX | when I do apt-show-versions -u I get packages that can be upgraded - But when I do show-versions -u it says 0 to upgrade ... am I too much a apt-get noob ? |
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| 21:42.16 | simNIX | eror in paste |
| 21:42.34 | simNIX | when I do apt-show-versions -u I get packages that can be upgraded - But when I do apt-get -u upgrade it says 0 to upgrade ... am I too much a apt-get noob ? |
| 21:42.54 | peck_ | maybe because of apt/preferences |
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| 21:43.14 | stew | simNIX: i'd guess you have pakcages which are kept back: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 21:43.49 | peck_ | is there a way to ask dpkg everything it knows ? |
| 21:44.12 | stew | peck_: /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 21:44.19 | fxcp | hi folks. how to download a ssl cert from a certain domain like https://foo.bar? |
| 21:44.50 | alekibango | hello, firefox is 3.0.2 now. when do you think we can have debian packages in debian? :D |
| 21:45.02 | alekibango | fxcp: using openssl |
| 21:45.09 | alekibango | google it, i have seen some good tutors |
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| 21:46.04 | mhymn | never |
| 21:46.16 | fxcp | alekibango: hm, im googling around for half hour now. anyway thanks ;-) |
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| 21:47.19 | simNIX | stew, I googled kept back; if I understand apt-get upgrade sould state number of packeges kept beck - in my case it doesnt say that |
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| 21:47.50 | alekibango | fxcp: openssl s_client somehow |
| 21:48.00 | stew | simNIX: show us the output of "apt-cache policy packagename" for some such package ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:48.29 | alekibango | http://www.madboa.com/geek/openssl/#cert-retrieve |
| 21:48.33 | alekibango | fxcp: ^^ |
| 21:49.12 | fxcp | alekibango: great, thx ;-) |
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| 21:49.34 | alekibango | fxcp: now, can u please push some ppl to generate 3.0.2 iceweasel packages asap ? :DD |
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| 21:49.58 | alekibango | along with new swfdec :D |
| 21:50.14 | SamuraiDio | peck_, do you want lighter color for terminal or teminal emulator? |
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| 21:51.51 | simNIX | stew, http://simnix.webhop.info/pastebin/d442f835e |
| 21:52.00 | SamuraiDio | i have changed the 'colors' section on Eterm theme, it solved the problem for me |
| 21:52.02 | SamuraiDio | thanks all |
| 21:52.05 | SamuraiDio | g2g |
| 21:52.18 | wols | alekibango: lenny is frozen and sid is slushy |
| 21:52.21 | peck_ | yes |
| 21:52.55 | peck_ | you changed the terminal colors ? |
| 21:53.06 | stew | simNIX: yes, so its is upgradable, but the priority of the bpo repository is such that it doesn't get used by default, "apt-cache policy" by itself will show the priorities and "man apt_preferences" will explain them |
| 21:53.18 | simNIX | stew; is it becouse newer is in backports ? |
| 21:53.23 | stew | simNIX: and this is a good thing. you don't want to upgrade everything to bpo by default |
| 21:53.35 | simNIX | ok - wil investigate - tnx for info |
| 21:53.52 | stew | simNIX: becuase the newer version is in a repository which has a priority which is preventing pacakges from being installed by default |
| 21:54.11 | simNIX | like they 1st have to prove stable ? |
| 21:55.04 | stew | simNIX: what? |
| 21:55.10 | ki11bi11 | i hear solais is running debin |
| 21:55.19 | ki11bi11 | or debian even |
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| 21:55.47 | simNIX | like they (packages) first have to prove there stable before they go to the main repository ? |
| 21:56.14 | stew | simNIX: they are already in the main repository |
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| 21:56.54 | jeluk | hi all, i am busy trying to implement a basic backup strategy for a debian server i have installed backup-manager and it seems to be able to do what i require, however to restore a system fully am i right in assuming that all directories excluding /dev should be backed up? |
| 21:57.00 | simNIX | only a older version version - k |
| 21:57.03 | stew | simNIX: these are just newer versions from the next release of debian compiled for the current release |
| 21:57.15 | simNIX | aha |
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| 21:59.49 | nicalvaro | anybody familiar with update-alternatives. I am trying to get it to make sure only gpg2 is seen and not gpg. I am told it is supposed to show No alternatives for gpg. I am seeing gpg2 as alternative. |
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| 22:01.26 | wols | nicalvaro: apps trying to sign never see or use update-alternatives, so whats wrong with it seeing both? |
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| 22:03.18 | Jemt | Hi. How do I mount a partition on a system where the user is not part of the plugdev group? I was thinking /etc/fstab - will that do the trick? Also, if that's possible, can I mount the partition by specifying the label, instead of the partition ID? Something like /dev/disk/KINGSTON |
| 22:03.19 | nicalvaro | I want to make sure that my gpg is configured correctly. Our documentation has this as part of the process. I want to nail all the possible wrinkles. |
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| 22:03.58 | wols | Jemt: you can. option is "user" |
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| 22:04.25 | Jemt | wols: Great, I'll give it a try then - thanks |
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| 22:12.01 | jeluk | can anyone tell me what directories are needed to be able to perform a full system restore is it everything except /dev /proc and /sys ? |
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| 22:15.22 | mhymn | jeluk: in case you mean backup: |
| 22:15.25 | mhymn | !things to backup |
| 22:15.25 | dpkg | A list of some of the things you should back up on your box is: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor this list to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/spool/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf ... |
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| 22:17.38 | jeluk | thats great, thanks |
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| 22:18.42 | mhymn | np |
| 22:18.52 | danielito | which method would you advice me to use to encrypt a partition? loop-aes? |
| 22:18.58 | danielito | or are there better ways? |
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| 22:21.08 | peck_ | cryptsetup |
| 22:21.15 | peck_ | with luks format |
| 22:21.44 | danielito | in which way is it better? |
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| 22:22.17 | peck_ | well integrated in the kernel, available in windows, many ciphers available, possibility to change key online, and possibility to use multiple key |
| 22:22.32 | doudou | what package do i need to programm ssl ? |
| 22:22.45 | peck_ | openssl-dev |
| 22:23.33 | stew | doudou: libssl-dev or libgnutls-dev |
| 22:23.46 | stew | doudou: (assuming you are talking about c or c++) |
| 22:23.58 | doudou | i want for c, not c++ |
| 22:24.11 | stew | doudou: then yes, libssl-dev or libgnutls-dev |
| 22:24.39 | stew | doudou: they are two different implementations with two different licenses |
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| 22:24.54 | doudou | is there a ssl lib that will use linux kjernel crypto modules? |
| 22:25.03 | danielito | peck_: tutorial by hand? |
| 22:25.12 | danielito | or any that you would recommend? |
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| 22:28.35 | doudou | popcon does not give anything about libssl-dev and libgnutls-dev, which is most popular, which is newest? |
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| 22:29.42 | stew | doudou: libssl-dev is openssl which is definately more popular, but it has a license which is incompatible with the GPL |
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| 22:32.28 | Si1verlock | what is a good bot to use if i want to keep a channel open? |
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| 22:32.41 | Jemt | SiliconViper: ChanServ |
| 22:32.44 | gnat_x | hi folks. i'm running lenny/sid on an ibm thinkpad with a dock. i'm having trouble getting the dvd drive to work. i use the dock for power, and used the dvd drive to install, so i think its not that; also dock / undock events come through dmesg. when i put discs in (iso's, audio, dvd) the drive spins up but i can't get to it. how do i determine what to point my apps at? /media/cdrom isn't working, and there's a /dev/hdc in my fstab, but |
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| 22:33.02 | gnat_x | eep. that was more than i thought it was. |
| 22:33.04 | doudou | thanks stew |
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| 22:33.43 | Si1verlock | jemt thx |
| 22:34.26 | Jemt | I have created an entry in /etc/fstab that mounts a USB device. Gnome displays the partition as both a hard drive and a USB removable device. How can I solve that? I only want it to appear once |
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| 22:35.08 | gnat_x | Jemt: you don't need the fstab entry, it will get automounted. |
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| 22:35.53 | Jemt | gnat_x: I don't want auto mount, as it will also allow the user to attach other devices. |
| 22:36.13 | Jemt | gnat_x: The user is no longer a member of plugdev in /etc/group |
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| 22:39.34 | Si1verlock | will chanserv keep a channel open when you log out? |
| 22:40.04 | boolean12 | If it's a registered channel, it should. |
| 22:40.25 | Si1verlock | boolean12:for how long? |
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| 22:42.21 | lepine_w | is there a flag for top that will exclude processes by user x ? |
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| 22:54.03 | Kimloc | Hey, I've just debootstrapped a debian system, but there are no grub stage files. How can I install them? |
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| 22:55.57 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.23 | dmoerner | Kimloc: install grub and copy them from /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/ |
| 22:56.59 | Kimloc | ah, thanks! |
| 22:57.47 | wols | dmoerner: and that would do what? |
| 22:57.51 | torr | is there a 'libthread_db' ? |
| 22:57.59 | wols | !tell torr about search |
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| 22:58.46 | torr | wols, I have problem with gdb |
| 22:58.51 | chomwitt_ | if a have my sources.list point to testing is there any point in my system to speak about future upgrade , or i'll always be on the edge, not ever having to worry about the system upgrade thing.. ? |
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| 23:00.05 | torr | http://pastebin.com/m2c855fbd |
| 23:00.54 | dmoerner | wols: give him the grub stage files that he asked for |
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| 23:08.19 | knottingham | relimseugor |
| 23:09.15 | chemist_ | I have a fresh debian install and I selected guided partition >> LVM >> separate /home /tmp etc |
| 23:09.27 | chemist_ | how can I resize /tmp? |
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| 23:11.38 | Canaris_ | Hey. Is there a netinst image for Lenny? |
| 23:11.42 | Canaris_ | Cant seem to find any |
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| 23:12.17 | abrotman | Canaris_: debian.org/devel/debian-installer .. use a "daily" |
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| 23:13.02 | Canaris_ | abrotman, ahh great. just what I was looking for. Thanks man!! |
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| 23:15.02 | Ryushin | Yes! After 4 1/2 years I finally ordered a new Thinkpad. I'm stoked. Now I just gotta get everything running on it when it gets here. |
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| 23:16.30 | Ryushin | Too bad they didn't offer the quad core in the W500. I looked at Intel's roadmap and it didn't show a quad core that used less than 45 watts for at until later next year. |
| 23:17.27 | boolean12 | Anyone know how to correct an application that requires makeuserdb during install? |
| 23:18.07 | valium | Use a bandaid |
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| 23:19.56 | Wyzard | wishes Lenovo would start putting DVI ports on Thinkpads |
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| 23:20.28 | ehtom | how do I use an old version of gcc to compile something? |
| 23:20.37 | ehtom | CC=gcc-4.1 doesnt seem to be working |
| 23:22.27 | abrotman | Wyzard: do the ideapads have them ? |
| 23:22.33 | abrotman | ehtom: what and why? |
| 23:23.00 | ehtom | cuda |
| 23:23.03 | ehtom | because it doesnt work |
| 23:24.28 | Wyzard | abrotman: dunno, haven't checked those |
| 23:24.47 | Wyzard | ehtom: If you're talking about nVidia's CUDA, doesn't that use its own compiler? |
| 23:24.58 | Wyzard | to target the GPU instead of the host CPU |
| 23:25.00 | ehtom | it does, but the sdk doesnt |
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| 23:31.07 | abrotman | Wyzard: well .. in my minute of searching ... i can't find it :) |
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| 23:38.49 | chrols | Hello. I'm trying to install the latest version of uvc since the version in the repositories doesn't seem to support my webcam fully. Using the repository version I can manage to get an image inside luvcview but hardly nowhere else (i.e cheese, skype etc). However doing a simple make; make install doesn't seem to work and I can't find any debian specific instruction on the net. Any ideas? |
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| 23:41.21 | lolufail | hi |
| 23:41.36 | dmoerner | chrols: what do you mean that it "doesn't seem to work". are you using the latest subversion sources? http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=Linux+UVC |
| 23:42.07 | lolufail | I want machines in my home-network to get their IP-adresses via dhcp from my server. They only know hostnames. I want them to be able to resolve each other |
| 23:42.09 | lolufail | what do I need? |
| 23:42.23 | lolufail | dhcp3 |
| 23:42.27 | lolufail | +bind9? |
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| 23:43.05 | chemist_ | if I increase the size of an lvm partition will it take the space from the partiotion before it or after it? |
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| 23:43.31 | chrols | dmoerner: It works with luvcview, I get an image and everything. But that is the only program it works with, other don't detect it. And I'm using the latest sources (rev 252 I belive it was) |
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| 23:43.51 | stew | chemist_: you mean a pv or an lv? |
| 23:43.57 | chemist_ | lv |
| 23:44.33 | stew | chemist_: they aren't in any order. it isn't like one stops and another starts, they are all shuffled together |
| 23:45.21 | chemist_ | ok, but whats the logic behind it? will it just take the space from teh biggest lv? |
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| 23:46.52 | stew | chemist_: it won't take space from anywhere, you'd have to have free extents |
| 23:47.39 | chemist_ | so I would have to "take" the space from one and then extend the other? |
| 23:47.56 | stew | chemist_: yes |
| 23:48.06 | chemist_ | stew: many thanks |
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| 23:48.17 | stew | chemist_: note that you'd have to shrink any filesystem that the lv contains before you shrink the containing lv |
| 23:49.41 | chemist_ | stew: I have a 450gb /home partition with hardly any data on it, would I still need to shrink the fs? |
| 23:51.01 | Wyzard | chemist_: yes -- the filesystem is still 450GB in size even if most of it isn't allocated to files |
| 23:51.24 | stew | chemist_: yes, you'd have to resize the /home filesystem before you resize the partition that contains it |
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| 23:52.49 | chemist_ | ok, I guess I need to google more :) |
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| 23:55.33 | chemist_ | am I correct in assuming that even having selected lvm partitioning at install time the root partition is not lvm? |
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