| 00:00.59 | *** join/#debian jerbear (n=jerbear@cpe-075-181-117-114.carolina.res.rr.com) |
| 00:01.20 | *** join/#debian gpm (n=gpm@c-98-210-146-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 00:01.51 | gpm | can you rename a fat32 filesystem? an xfs filesystem? |
| 00:01.57 | *** join/#debian leprosys (n=leprosys@190.87.21.228) |
| 00:02.04 | gpm | if so how? |
| 00:02.30 | *** join/#debian qwe (n=qwe@86.57.137.7) |
| 00:02.31 | abrotman | relabel you mean ? |
| 00:02.32 | *** join/#debian chrols (n=chrols@79.136.60.151) |
| 00:03.17 | gpm | yes, i don't mean the device name or mount point...the other thing |
| 00:03.29 | gpm | when creating a fat32 it's the -n option |
| 00:03.43 | *** join/#debian MrNaz`` (n=naz@ppp118-208-185-123.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net) |
| 00:03.51 | gpm | label |
| 00:03.59 | Tramp | gpm: man xfs_db, search for label. No idea about fat* |
| 00:04.22 | gpm | Tramp: thanks |
| 00:07.43 | *** join/#debian w3rd_ (n=dr3w@adsl-76-195-163-83.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 00:08.53 | *** join/#debian chemist (n=xxx@82-46-26-176.cable.ubr02.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 00:09.35 | *** join/#debian path_ (n=path@pc-74-207-46-190.cm.vtr.net) |
| 00:11.09 | *** join/#debian kalpik (n=kalpik@unaffiliated/kalpik) |
| 00:12.51 | *** join/#debian chrols (n=chrols@79.136.60.151) |
| 00:13.24 | *** join/#debian Sling (n=Mathijs@unaffiliated/sling) |
| 00:13.43 | *** join/#debian jasites (n=mes@147.226.245.1) |
| 00:13.47 | torr | how does it work in 32vs64 software? |
| 00:14.05 | torr | are there two package versions? |
| 00:14.16 | torr | no. |
| 00:14.45 | torr | so, how is it working, are there two binaries versions in each package? |
| 00:14.50 | nolimitsoya | torr, there is |
| 00:15.06 | torr | is what? |
| 00:15.06 | Wyzard | torr: If you mean the 32-bit and 64-bit modes of modern Intel and AMD processors, they're completely different architectures as far as Debian is concerned |
| 00:15.11 | jasites | is there a specific channel regarding debian/netbsd or debian/kfreebsd? |
| 00:15.18 | nolimitsoya | torr, they are in dirrent trees for diffrent arghs, just as for x86 and mips, fex |
| 00:15.19 | Wyzard | torr: You pick which one you want to install, i386 Debian or amd64 Debian |
| 00:15.51 | pipeline | torr: you want i386 |
| 00:15.53 | nolimitsoya | *arch, diffrent, etc... -.- |
| 00:16.09 | nolimitsoya | pipeline, how do you know? ;) |
| 00:16.31 | *** join/#debian enouf (n=stompthe@ool-44c669aa.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 00:16.36 | Wyzard | torr: amd64 Debian can run 32-bit programs, but 32-bit programs need 32-bit libraries and only a few of the common ones are provided... useful for third-party software, but you can't install i386 packages on an amd64 Debian system |
| 00:16.48 | torr | in synaptic say, gdb, I don't see two packages for the two |
| 00:16.57 | *** join/#debian DanDare (n=DanDare@189.59.165.85) |
| 00:17.06 | abrotman | jasites: i odn't think there is |
| 00:17.23 | *** join/#debian hercynium_ (n=hercyniu@c-76-19-45-91.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 00:17.25 | Wyzard | torr: synaptic only shows you packages for your system's own architecture, which is either i386 or amd64, not both |
| 00:17.30 | jasites | abrotman: thanks. |
| 00:17.36 | nolimitsoya | torr, you dont, as they dont show by default. same as not seeing ARM packages in there either |
| 00:17.48 | Wyzard | torr: If you're running amd64 you don't see i386 packages for the same reason you don't see ppc packages or mipsel packages etc. |
| 00:17.49 | torr | Wyzard, but I have a few kernel, one boot and I am in a different arc |
| 00:18.14 | enouf | Wyzard: well, within a chroot you sure can |
| 00:18.16 | Wyzard | torr: No you're not; the system's architecture isn't just what the kernel is optimized for |
| 00:18.25 | *** part/#debian candy (n=space@97.101.86.250) |
| 00:18.42 | Wyzard | enouf: That's basically a whole different system though |
| 00:18.49 | enouf | point |
| 00:19.03 | abrotman | jasites: depending on the question .. you can ask here |
| 00:19.13 | enouf | but many people using amd64 needing 32bit apps go that route |
| 00:19.22 | pipeline | nolimitsoya: if you don't know, amd64 is the wrong answer |
| 00:19.43 | *** join/#debian coromatic (n=chris@static-87-79-239-136.netcologne.de) |
| 00:19.52 | Wyzard | is happily running amd64 Debian and wouldn't call it the "wrong answer" |
| 00:19.56 | jasites | i was just wondering the kind of steps necessary to port GNU (in general, may or may not use Debian's base) to a BSD kernel |
| 00:19.57 | torr | the thing is that I am not sure which architecture I am running |
| 00:20.13 | torr | I did uname -m and got x86_64 |
| 00:20.16 | enouf | ls -l /bin/ls |
| 00:20.23 | enouf | gah |
| 00:20.27 | enouf | file /bin/ls |
| 00:20.46 | nolimitsoya | pipeline, no, not knowing is the wrong awnser. getting the knowing is the fix, not blindly charging into what someone else thinks would be appropriate for a "n00b" |
| 00:20.53 | Wyzard | torr: That's the 64-bit architecture also known as "amd64" or "em64t" or "x64" |
| 00:21.00 | *** join/#debian g0n (n=ggon@171.Red-80-38-102.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 00:21.17 | torr | Wyzard, but I recall having an i386 architecture |
| 00:21.27 | nolimitsoya | torr, well, you dont ;) |
| 00:21.45 | pipeline | jasites: that already exists :X |
| 00:21.51 | Wyzard | torr: x86_64 processors (AMD64 and Intel 64) are backward-compatible and can run i386 software too |
| 00:21.52 | *** join/#debian smhar (n=salman@81.22.22.179) |
| 00:21.53 | *** join/#debian tu (n=jean@c-71-198-152-171.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 00:21.59 | enouf | !kfreebsd |
| 00:21.59 | dpkg | debian gnu/kfreebsd is probably a port that consists of the GNU userland on top of the FreeBSD kernel, coupled with the Debian tools and packages. There is a BSD libc5 port, but the Glibc port is being focused on more. http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/ or Penix' almighty official installation guide can be found here: http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ |
| 00:21.59 | tu | looking for those gnome icons used to be called high contrast |
| 00:22.07 | Wyzard | torr: basically, you can use your system as either an i386 or an x86_64 |
| 00:22.09 | jasites | pipeline: i was wanting to try using an updated version of openbsd |
| 00:22.10 | torr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.10 | dpkg | no idea, torr |
| 00:22.10 | torr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.18 | boolean12 | On an intel 64, you should run IA_64 and thusly AMD_64 on an amd. |
| 00:22.30 | nolimitsoya | boolean12, false |
| 00:22.34 | boolean12 | ACK |
| 00:22.43 | nolimitsoya | boolean12, ia64 is a whole diffrent ballgame |
| 00:22.48 | pipeline | ia64's are pretty affordable nowadays |
| 00:22.52 | torr | that is what dpkg gives me |
| 00:22.53 | *** join/#debian nam (n=namor@Nfb22.n.pppool.de) |
| 00:22.53 | pipeline | you can pick up a zx6000 for <$2k ;) |
| 00:22.56 | dudeman | are they desireable? |
| 00:22.58 | Wyzard | boolean12: No, IA64 is a completely different architecture ("Itanium" aka "Itanic"); Intel 64 processors implement x86_64, which is also known as amd64 because AMD pioneered it |
| 00:23.02 | nolimitsoya | dudeman, no |
| 00:23.09 | dudeman | why would one want ia64 over x86_64 |
| 00:23.09 | pipeline | dudeman: not really. Price/performance isn't very good. |
| 00:23.14 | dudeman | I thought as much |
| 00:23.15 | nolimitsoya | dudeman, they dont |
| 00:23.15 | tu | Wyzard is right |
| 00:23.15 | dudeman | thanks |
| 00:23.20 | pipeline | dudeman: You can buy pretty damn big ia64 systems, dude. |
| 00:23.32 | dudeman | well |
| 00:23.32 | pipeline | dudeman: not going to find a 128-way x86-64 :) |
| 00:23.37 | dudeman | heh true |
| 00:23.48 | nolimitsoya | dudeman, ia64 was intels new lockin scheme since they lost control over x86... it failed. |
| 00:23.50 | pipeline | also, if you want to run HP-UX or OpenVMS, you're pretty screwed |
| 00:23.58 | *** join/#debian DanDare2 (n=DanDare2@189.59.160.125) |
| 00:23.59 | Wyzard | torr: That does seem strange... maybe "uname -m" just prints what your kernel is built for and not what the rest of the system is built for |
| 00:24.13 | pipeline | ia64 was Intel's attempt to kill off all non-x86 processors. They were fairly successful. |
| 00:24.16 | enouf | Wyzard: intel at some point moved their em64t nomenclature to say Intel 64 instead - it's all marketing bull |
| 00:24.26 | abrotman | pipeline: they were? |
| 00:24.27 | pipeline | MIPS, HPPA, and Alpha all rolled over and died as ia64 came closer to its release date :P |
| 00:24.39 | dudeman | hm |
| 00:24.41 | abrotman | pipeline: but it didn't kill x86 at all |
| 00:24.46 | enouf | just makes it more confusing for newcomers - that's their goal |
| 00:24.56 | nolimitsoya | pipeline, i wauldnt call mips dead... |
| 00:24.58 | pipeline | abrotman: Can't win them all. Intel still owns the x86 market. :\ |
| 00:25.03 | dudeman | mips is not dead |
| 00:25.08 | Wyzard | enouf: Intel 64 is a perfectly valid name for what's now their main 64-bit architecture... people just need to realize that Intel 64 is not IA64 |
| 00:25.10 | pipeline | There was a time when MIPS was used in high-end servers. |
| 00:25.18 | pipeline | It's now used for system-on-a-chip WAPs and the like. |
| 00:25.19 | tu | looking for those gnome icons used to be called high contrast |
| 00:25.20 | pipeline | Not quite the same thing. |
| 00:25.22 | abrotman | dudeman: it basically is .. |
| 00:25.22 | dudeman | Wyzard, quite right |
| 00:25.25 | dudeman | AMD64 |
| 00:25.26 | enouf | Wyzard: see my confusion comment ;-) |
| 00:25.29 | *** join/#debian fxcp (n=ctp@brsg-d9bef35f.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 00:25.30 | dudeman | Intel64 |
| 00:25.30 | torr | so... I run a 64 kernel on a 32 arch software? |
| 00:25.32 | dudeman | it only makes sense |
| 00:25.39 | pipeline | torr: You can. I have a 64 bit kernel, and an i386 userland. |
| 00:25.43 | dudeman | torr, you can |
| 00:25.51 | dudeman | if your cpu is capable |
| 00:25.59 | pipeline | torr: It's kind of a pain in the ass, though, since you need a 64 bit chroot in order to build kernel drivers etc |
| 00:26.09 | dudeman | mostly people do that to have 32bit apps but utilize more than 4gb of ram |
| 00:26.10 | torr | it is a pentium d 930 |
| 00:26.14 | dudeman | and/or not use pae |
| 00:26.16 | Wyzard | torr: A 64-bit kernel (built for x86_64) can run 32-bit processes (built for i386)... that sounds like what you have |
| 00:26.18 | pipeline | torr: If you have less than 4G of RAM, you're probably best off to stick to i386. |
| 00:26.20 | enouf | Wyzard: and why does the kernel refer to x86_64 as such rather than amd64 which is really what it is? ;-) |
| 00:26.30 | pipeline | dudeman: PAE has performance impacts. 64 bit kernel still preferable. |
| 00:26.31 | dudeman | thats the port |
| 00:26.37 | dudeman | arch is still x86_64 |
| 00:26.43 | pipeline | enouf: because people contest that :P |
| 00:26.43 | *** join/#debian ninjaslim (n=sabeeh@128.220.154.62) |
| 00:26.46 | dudeman | or just semantics... |
| 00:27.00 | enouf | dudeman: the arch is amd64 ;-) |
| 00:27.02 | DanDare | Hello. I just installed a new Debian etch system, the first DVD installation set is liste on /etc/apt/sources.list aswell the internet mirrors. When i do 'apt-get update' apt will not update information for the packages that are already offered by the DVD ? |
| 00:27.06 | dudeman | enouf, thats the port. |
| 00:27.08 | enouf | pipeline: :-P |
| 00:27.15 | enouf | dudeman: you're a port |
| 00:27.18 | DanDare | Or it will substitute the packages of the DVD if there´s anything newer ? |
| 00:27.18 | dudeman | it really shouldn't be called amd64 at all actually |
| 00:27.22 | Wyzard | dan2: no, it'll download the full lists from the Internet mirrors |
| 00:27.30 | dudeman | it should be called x86_64 because its not just amd |
| 00:27.34 | enouf | dudeman: yes it should - they came up with the extensions |
| 00:27.35 | dudeman | and now since intel is called intel64 |
| 00:27.39 | abrotman | DanDare: it will if the stuff on the DVD is the same version as the http version |
| 00:27.46 | dudeman | it make ssense to just rename the port to x86_64 instead of amd64 |
| 00:27.51 | abrotman | DanDare: oh .. misread .. no it will not |
| 00:27.59 | abrotman | DanDare: it already scanned the DVDs once |
| 00:28.11 | dudeman | s/intel/em64t |
| 00:28.11 | Wyzard | dudeman: The 'i' in "i386" stands for "Intel", you know, even though AMD implements it too |
| 00:28.12 | DanDare | abrotman, so better is remove the DVD reference from sources.list ? |
| 00:28.18 | enouf | dudeman: amd64 is x86_64 |
| 00:28.22 | DanDare | to ensure the latest packages ? |
| 00:28.25 | abrotman | DanDare: unless you want to use them |
| 00:28.29 | enouf | right |
| 00:28.29 | dudeman | Wyzard, yeh. enouf I know. but do you understad what I'm saying? |
| 00:28.30 | abrotman | DanDare: no .. apt will always use the newest version |
| 00:28.31 | pipeline | Wyzard: intel later changed to using the "ia32" trademark to refer to the i386 isa :X |
| 00:28.35 | enouf | same for ia32 |
| 00:28.44 | enouf | haha |
| 00:28.45 | abrotman | DanDare: so if the http source has a newer version than the DVD .. it will use the one from http |
| 00:28.47 | DanDare | ahh ok so, thank you |
| 00:28.54 | DanDare | sounds smart :) |
| 00:29.08 | *** join/#debian reco_ (n=reco@pool-96-224-63-206.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:29.09 | enouf | dudeman: yes, but i feel like being diffucult to you |
| 00:29.12 | Wyzard | dudeman: I know what you mean, but I don't see anything wrong with using the name "amd64" to refer to the 64-bit architecture that AMD developed |
| 00:29.16 | jasites | DanDare: just be wary, if you run apt and the DVD is not in the computer, it will complain |
| 00:29.18 | torr | pipeline, do you get problem from gdb while debugin threaded apps? |
| 00:29.21 | dudeman | well I think debina amd64 shouldn't be called amd64 but x86_64, and i386 shouldn't be called with an 'i', but just 386 |
| 00:29.32 | dudeman | Wyzard, its not wrong, but you see what im saying |
| 00:29.39 | dudeman | Wyzard, just maybe imo it might be more correct. |
| 00:29.39 | dudeman | ? |
| 00:29.43 | DanDare | jasites, yeah |
| 00:29.48 | enouf | ^fives Wyzard |
| 00:29.55 | Wyzard | Either is valid; it doesn't really matter |
| 00:30.05 | dudeman | no, not relly |
| 00:30.07 | dudeman | its all good |
| 00:30.15 | *** part/#debian jasites (n=mes@147.226.245.1) |
| 00:30.23 | pipeline | torr: I don't use gdb for anything. |
| 00:30.23 | Wyzard | but I don't think it makes sense to make a big deal over "amd64" if you don't make a big deal over "i386" too |
| 00:30.31 | dudeman | I did |
| 00:30.45 | dudeman | I made a fuss over both not just one |
| 00:30.46 | dudeman | :)0 |
| 00:30.47 | pipeline | I think we should call the ia32 isa s100 |
| 00:31.24 | torr | anyone how gdb , use i386 with x86_64? |
| 00:32.03 | *** join/#debian mecca_ (n=tmp@nullresult.com) |
| 00:32.35 | *** join/#debian Arrick (n=Arrick@techenterprise/arrick) |
| 00:32.37 | Arrick | hey all |
| 00:32.56 | Arrick | what today in the latest stable version of debian would be used in the place of webmin? |
| 00:33.01 | dudeman | hey Arrick long time no see |
| 00:33.03 | Arrick | (that actually works all the way) |
| 00:33.07 | dudeman | Nyle |
| 00:33.12 | Arrick | yeah |
| 00:33.25 | dudeman | Arrick, webmin == bad |
| 00:33.30 | Arrick | orlly |
| 00:33.34 | dudeman | im sure you already knew that |
| 00:33.36 | Arrick | I want what has become the replacement for it |
| 00:33.37 | *** part/#debian reco_ (n=reco@pool-96-224-63-206.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:33.43 | dudeman | I don't think there is anything to replace it |
| 00:33.50 | enouf | knives? meet electrical sockets :-) |
| 00:33.52 | dudeman | I wouldn't recommend any, just manual work with configs |
| 00:33.59 | Arrick | there has to be a web management tool for a web server |
| 00:34.02 | dudeman | enouf, thank you for sumning up panels :) |
| 00:34.07 | dudeman | Arrick, plesk? |
| 00:34.08 | enouf | ;-) |
| 00:34.18 | dudeman | look for cpanel alternatives perhaps? |
| 00:34.19 | Arrick | ok I will include the word FREE now |
| 00:34.33 | dudeman | cpanel = prop. but it has open source alternatives |
| 00:35.09 | dudeman | cpanel and plesk alternatives |
| 00:35.20 | *** join/#debian sodio (n=sodio@netblock-63-66-64-29.myitdepartment.net) |
| 00:35.22 | dudeman | as for whats packaged in debian, I have no idea, I don't use those tools |
| 00:35.43 | abrotman | why isn't gnome2.24 in etch yets?! |
| 00:36.02 | dudeman | I can't beleive you just asked that |
| 00:36.07 | dudeman | unless it was rhetorical |
| 00:36.09 | abrotman | i can't believe you answered |
| 00:36.11 | stew | abrotman: install it from source |
| 00:36.23 | dudeman | I can't believe its not butteR! |
| 00:36.28 | abrotman | the correct answer is !annoy abrotman :) |
| 00:36.32 | dudeman | heh |
| 00:37.49 | Arrick | anyone used this? vhcs.net VHCS2 |
| 00:37.54 | *** join/#debian yomm (n=yomm@d54C48942.access.telenet.be) |
| 00:38.09 | *** join/#debian JediatNight (n=amit@unaffiliated/jediatnight) |
| 00:38.18 | dudeman | heard of it, almost implemented it on dudeman.gotdns.com |
| 00:38.28 | dudeman | but then saw the security problems and said fuck it |
| 00:38.53 | dudeman | if its your own server, why need a panel? |
| 00:39.05 | dudeman | unless you plan on having others use your server as a webhost |
| 00:39.40 | lem0n | ^ |
| 00:39.45 | *** join/#debian hugyup (n=unk@124.80.74.145) |
| 00:42.16 | *** join/#debian SJrX (i=SJrX@sr-39.srgs01.resnet.ubc.ca) |
| 00:42.28 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 00:44.43 | dudeman | lem0n, ? |
| 00:44.50 | smacnay | wow!! is nfs a LOT faster than SAMBA when transferring 10+ Gig of files |
| 00:44.51 | lem0n | was agreeing with what you said |
| 00:44.54 | *** join/#debian d0lphin_n0el (n=0pensour@85.138.67.200) |
| 00:44.54 | *** join/#debian [gquit]bombadil (n=dana@CPE-70-94-44-157.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 00:44.57 | dudeman | oh |
| 00:45.06 | dudeman | less smb overhead |
| 00:45.09 | nolimitsoya | smacnay, hows that a supprize? ;) |
| 00:45.12 | dudeman | i thought that was obvious |
| 00:45.17 | dudeman | :_ |
| 00:45.23 | *** join/#debian zinx (n=zinx@unaffiliated/zinx) |
| 00:46.02 | nolimitsoya | smacnay, 30yo unixtoys vs windows new shiny, what did you think would happen? :P |
| 00:46.05 | smacnay | It isn't but it sort of smacks you in the face the first time you see it! I have a lan with all 100 MB/s cards and switches and see an average speed of about 60 MB/s |
| 00:46.35 | Arrick | dudeman, thats exactly what I am doing though |
| 00:46.36 | Arrick | lol |
| 00:46.45 | Arrick | I dont want to pay for cpanel |
| 00:46.47 | dudeman | oh |
| 00:46.51 | Arrick | bbl |
| 00:46.57 | dudeman | well in that case have at it :) |
| 00:47.05 | Arrick | (driving home) |
| 00:47.07 | *** join/#debian grendal_prime (n=grendal_@dsl-12-44-166-053.arpa2.caltel.com) |
| 00:47.40 | grendal_prime | ok im loosing my damn mind with this package thing...i cant find anything in the howtows that address this problem...if a fkn nightmare. |
| 00:47.46 | *** join/#debian buttnutt (n=ask@ip68-226-249-165.lf.br.cox.net) |
| 00:47.57 | *** join/#debian kalpik_ (n=kalpik@unaffiliated/kalpik) |
| 00:47.58 | grendal_prime | i have two packages lri-recover1 and lri-recover2. |
| 00:48.21 | dudeman | go on |
| 00:48.32 | grendal_prime | one of them is nothing more than a new source list file that points to my server on the local network that has a frozen verseion of etch on it. |
| 00:48.44 | grendal_prime | i install that one locally...it seems to work fine |
| 00:50.20 | *** join/#debian `wiz126 (i=Wiz126@72.20.223.36) |
| 00:50.38 | grendal_prime | if i open up aptitude it lits it and the proper version and whatnot. Now when i install the second one, that is located on the actual repository. it creates an entry like the first one, and also creates a entry in the Not installed folder. That lists its status as U and shows the version as not installed. |
| 00:51.04 | *** join/#debian d0lphin_n0el (n=0pensour@85.138.67.200) |
| 00:51.22 | grendal_prime | sorry not folder but apt listing for the package. The |
| 00:51.51 | grendal_prime | it installs and works out the dpendencys...drops the payload...everthhing works but why is it creating a second entry for it? |
| 00:52.04 | grendal_prime | and showing it not installed. |
| 00:52.32 | *** join/#debian d0lphin_n0el (n=0pensour@85.138.67.200) |
| 00:52.42 | dudeman | no you twat that ws tommy lee jones |
| 00:52.47 | dudeman | oh |
| 00:52.48 | dudeman | oops |
| 00:52.58 | grendal_prime | and yes im updateing the packages.gz everytime i update the package on the server. |
| 00:53.38 | *** join/#debian d0lphin_n0el (n=0pensour@85.138.67.200) |
| 00:54.15 | qq- | done , apt-get update , too ? |
| 00:54.39 | *** join/#debian Hoxzer (n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 00:55.08 | *** join/#debian Jack_Sparrow (n=Jack_Spa@unaffiliated/jacksparrow/x-876322) |
| 00:57.52 | *** join/#debian jeffspeff (n=jeff@c-69-245-31-86.hsd1.ky.comcast.net) |
| 00:58.00 | grendal_prime | anybody any good at this? |
| 00:58.09 | dudeman | not I |
| 00:58.18 | *** join/#debian tview (n=user@e177143061.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 00:58.23 | dudeman | I just package stuff sometimes I don't do anything with setting up apt repos |
| 00:58.49 | dudeman | grendal_prime, hang out im sure someone will know |
| 01:00.30 | *** join/#debian jrf (n=jrf@c-98-217-99-184.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 01:00.48 | *** join/#debian agentfy2k (i=kopperne@119.111.140.226) |
| 01:00.49 | *** join/#debian shivraj (n=shivraj@cpe-74-66-94-205.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 01:00.54 | shivraj | what do you need to install to do make ? |
| 01:01.01 | abrotman | !b-e shivraj |
| 01:01.01 | dpkg | shivraj: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 01:01.18 | abrotman | grendal_prime: the package status is messed up badly ? |
| 01:01.40 | *** join/#debian dragon23 (n=q@70.110.222.169) |
| 01:01.44 | dragon23 | hello |
| 01:01.48 | dragon23 | how can I list what cron jobs are scheduled? |
| 01:01.57 | Pavlz | i found a pcmcia wifi of tplink wn630g it seems works on GNU/linux Debian with MadWiFI |
| 01:02.00 | abrotman | /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.*/ |
| 01:02.27 | abrotman | dragon23: and the user crontabs are in .. uh .. don't wait then |
| 01:02.35 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@ppp-71-128-4-38.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 01:02.36 | *** join/#debian tobias (n=tobias@user-0ce2hvs.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 01:02.38 | *** join/#debian rpedro_ (n=rpedro@87-196-159-193.net.novis.pt) |
| 01:02.48 | Pavlz | which MadWiFI is used in GNU/linux Debian ? |
| 01:02.56 | abrotman | !tell Pavlz about madwifi install |
| 01:04.33 | grendal_prime | abrotman: im am loooooozing my mind. |
| 01:04.43 | abrotman | losing ? |
| 01:05.07 | grendal_prime | i no you dont want to hear that...but man you know what im capable of...i have just enough knowledge to be dangerouse |
| 01:05.12 | grendal_prime | ya losing |
| 01:05.20 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 01:05.28 | grendal_prime | packages building is driving me nuts |
| 01:05.59 | grendal_prime | i keep winding up with the extra listed package in the not installed portion of the branch.. |
| 01:06.26 | abrotman | i did ask you a question |
| 01:06.40 | *** join/#debian mttr (n=mttr@brndmb02dc1-81-152.dynamic.mts.net) |
| 01:06.49 | *** part/#debian mttr (n=mttr@brndmb02dc1-81-152.dynamic.mts.net) |
| 01:07.30 | dustybin | when i press the power button on my IBM desktop, debian lenny performs a nice shutdown, however, i have another debian lenny installed on a HP desktop, when i press the power button on that, nothing happens? |
| 01:07.35 | grendal_prime | i must have missed it...sorry...crazy day kid got sent home from school...and i have this....flu thing...it feels like Aquired Artharitus. |
| 01:07.55 | pipeline | dustybin: acpi is either not loaded or not working. Tried loading apm driver instead ? |
| 01:08.03 | grendal_prime | my whole damn body hurts unless i take 3 ibus every 4 hours |
| 01:08.12 | dustybin | pipeline: no i havent, ill take a look :-) |
| 01:08.20 | *** join/#debian fritz (n=fritz@cpe-24-165-165-229.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 01:08.33 | *** join/#debian coromatic (n=chris@static-87-79-239-136.netcologne.de) |
| 01:09.18 | *** join/#debian emma_ (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) |
| 01:09.34 | *** join/#debian cibertito (n=cibertit@190.144.46.50) |
| 01:11.09 | grendal_prime | abortman you want me to back up to the beginning and start explaining the entire build process? |
| 01:11.33 | abrotman | no .. i asked you about package status |
| 01:11.55 | abrotman | pipeline: apm .. come on .. it's so not 1995 :) |
| 01:13.31 | grendal_prime | first colum shows it as iP second colum U installed version number = <none> |
| 01:13.34 | pipeline | abrotman: Eh, is it that out of date? I assumed some BIOSes would still support it well enough. ACPI is obviously not going to work for him, or it would be working out of the box :) |
| 01:13.46 | grendal_prime | yet everything that the packages is set up to do , it compleats. |
| 01:13.50 | abrotman | pipeline: kind of after PII IIRC |
| 01:13.55 | *** join/#debian dejones (n=donnie@74-131-36-199.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 01:14.00 | abrotman | Installed/Pending |
| 01:14.17 | grendal_prime | ya but it never install |
| 01:14.34 | *** join/#debian YeTr2 (i=william@pool-72-91-34-124.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) |
| 01:14.58 | grendal_prime | now there actually is a package with a slightly different name that does get installed |
| 01:16.34 | grendal_prime | and it shows as installed, and when i remove it...it removes both of them...sometimes... |
| 01:16.52 | grendal_prime | it...seemslike anyway. im starting all over again |
| 01:17.08 | *** join/#debian _vertigo (i=cue@64.18.146.18) |
| 01:17.31 | *** part/#debian meff (n=meff@unaffiliated/meff) |
| 01:19.06 | *** join/#debian zsh (n=zsh@hubertus.wspa.edu.pl) |
| 01:19.21 | zsh | hi |
| 01:19.53 | zsh | is ftp working over socks5? |
| 01:22.16 | *** join/#debian tview (n=user@e177143061.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 01:23.00 | *** join/#debian Mr_Deffy (n=Deffy@68-184-47-30.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) |
| 01:25.05 | *** join/#debian nn64 (n=nn@74.94.43.196) |
| 01:25.06 | *** join/#debian sodio (n=sodio@netblock-63-66-64-29.myitdepartment.net) |
| 01:27.24 | *** join/#debian derchris (n=derchris@87-194-89-163.bethere.co.uk) |
| 01:27.37 | *** join/#debian meff (n=meff@unaffiliated/meff) |
| 01:27.43 | *** join/#debian koppernet (i=allan@119.111.140.57) |
| 01:29.35 | *** join/#debian Jac1d (n=jac@216-60.host.express.tc) |
| 01:30.28 | Jac1d | Evening all. I'm trying to build a custom deb of vlc, which is a new thing for me (building debs). I can't seem to figure out where I can disable the various options I don't want, which I would normally do by editing the resulting vlc-config.in file that ./configure generates |
| 01:30.45 | Jac1d | I am using debuild -b -us -uc -i as my command line |
| 01:30.51 | abrotman | !source |
| 01:30.51 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. As root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. As any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>. |
| 01:30.52 | *** join/#debian zsh (n=zsh@hubertus.wspa.edu.pl) |
| 01:31.04 | abrotman | Jac1d: you'd look in the rules file usually |
| 01:31.16 | abrotman | !tell Jac1d about debian/rules |
| 01:31.34 | *** join/#debian Salihu (n=Salihu@65-101-165-181.desm.qwest.net) |
| 01:32.03 | *** join/#debian dana_good1 (n=dana@mail.comp911.com) |
| 01:33.42 | Jac1d | hmm, I guess its unclear to me how to edit rules to effect my changes |
| 01:33.49 | *** join/#debian euud (n=chatzill@60-249-99-148.HINET-IP.hinet.net) |
| 01:35.46 | *** join/#debian CAiRO_ (n=tooar@p4FC24C79.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:38.23 | *** join/#debian dbadm (n=dbadm@189.51.231.70) |
| 01:38.39 | grendal_prime | when thorugh the entire process same damn thing |
| 01:38.46 | *** part/#debian Jac1d (n=jac@216-60.host.express.tc) |
| 01:38.48 | grendal_prime | its rediculas. |
| 01:38.49 | *** join/#debian k-man__ (n=jason@ppp121-44-47-228.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net) |
| 01:39.28 | *** join/#debian craigevil (n=craigevi@c-98-206-171-62.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 01:39.29 | grendal_prime | Do i need to add soemthing that says its a metapackaged or something? |
| 01:39.30 | *** join/#debian wols_ (i=klingens@p549DFCF3.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:41.03 | *** join/#debian cyt_ (n=cyt@linux.cs.ccu.edu.tw) |
| 01:41.07 | *** part/#debian cyt_ (n=cyt@linux.cs.ccu.edu.tw) |
| 01:41.25 | grendal_prime | the two packages are installed, but the one for lri2.deb has an entry in not installed packages / admin / base / main. and its propertys are ... |
| 01:42.15 | grendal_prime | pi U nameof package installed version <none> |
| 01:42.30 | grendal_prime | makes no sence to me. |
| 01:45.02 | *** join/#debian tonhe (i=tonhe@ares.mattke.net) |
| 01:45.30 | tonhe | Ok, I've got a webserver running etch, but it hasnt been updated well, for a long time |
| 01:45.40 | tonhe | how safe is it to run apt-get upgrade and just let it do its biz |
| 01:46.06 | tonhe | it wants to upgrade about 100 packages |
| 01:46.08 | mimcpher | Debian prides itself on not breaking stuff on update inside a version. So if you stay on etch, you should be good. |
| 01:46.31 | mimcpher | Its part of the "stable" bit of debian stable. |
| 01:46.33 | tonhe | and it wont muck with my configs? |
| 01:46.46 | abrotman | if it wants to, it will ask you |
| 01:47.01 | tonhe | ok --- sorry, new to debian.. been a slackware user since like.. 1993 or so |
| 01:47.30 | abrotman | i would hope no distro would overwwrite files without asking |
| 01:47.32 | tonhe | here goes |
| 01:47.45 | stew | grendal_prime: show us the output of "dpkg -I lri2.deb" and "apt-cache policy packagename" |
| 01:49.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 830] by debhelper |
| 01:49.15 | *** join/#debian solid_liq (n=solid_li@unaffiliated/solidliq) |
| 01:51.38 | *** join/#debian eager (n=pore@c-76-18-29-94.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 01:54.08 | *** join/#debian eps_ (n=eps@203.171.70.21.dynamic.rev.aanet.com.au) |
| 01:54.13 | *** join/#debian LeoDing (n=Administ@wuxi.asianux.net) |
| 01:54.16 | *** join/#debian darknerd (n=darknerd@189.31.18.225) |
| 01:54.26 | grendal_prime | OK thanks here is the first one |
| 01:54.27 | grendal_prime | http://rafb.net/p/nYaOmN68.html |
| 01:54.49 | eps_ | where can I find out details for gnome 2.24 entering unstable? |
| 01:55.05 | avu | eps_, it won't happen for a while |
| 01:55.13 | avu | eps_, certainly not before lenny is released |
| 01:55.21 | eps_ | bother |
| 01:55.53 | avu | eps_, if anything, it'll be uploaded to experimental before that |
| 01:55.55 | eps_ | are you aware of any one running a repo for the unstable tree? |
| 01:56.03 | abrotman | it just came out .. be patient |
| 01:56.17 | eps_ | I always am ;) |
| 01:56.28 | *** join/#debian john (n=john@S0106001b11eeeda5.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 01:56.29 | grendal_prime | and the second one from the box just reports this...LRI-2.0.53-upgrade-2 - This script should upgrade the dom2.3.3 to LRI-2.0.53.807 |
| 01:56.38 | grendal_prime | cause thats ill i told it to report really |
| 01:57.03 | dudeman | then be patient longer |
| 01:57.12 | *** join/#debian ukatan (n=cactus@ip98-169-187-242.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 01:57.14 | dudeman | I'm not using kde4 until 4.5 or 2010 |
| 01:57.27 | dudeman | whichever comes first... so maybe in one after squeeze |
| 01:57.53 | grendal_prime | wow...thats an amazing stance to take? what reason for that? |
| 01:58.07 | dudeman | I try it out on every new kubuntu release |
| 01:58.22 | eps_ | grendal_prime, because even the kde devs should be able to get some thing right after four years |
| 01:58.25 | dudeman | its not mature enough yet, hasn't got all the little tinkerings I like to do, they way I have my desktop in kde |
| 01:58.41 | dudeman | the way I like it, I cant do it.. yet ... they tell me |
| 01:58.42 | grendal_prime | i like the kio slave |
| 01:59.15 | tonhe | this would be done already if this machine was anywhere near current |
| 01:59.19 | grendal_prime | so stew any reason that would behave like that. |
| 01:59.55 | stew | grendal_prime: can you show the output of "apt-cache policy packagename" |
| 02:00.15 | grendal_prime | i did |
| 02:00.23 | stew | grendal_prime: oh, i missed it |
| 02:00.23 | grendal_prime | oooo wait actually packagename ? |
| 02:00.31 | grendal_prime | not the name of the package? |
| 02:00.39 | *** join/#debian shyam (n=shyam@117.196.139.62) |
| 02:00.40 | stew | grendal_prime: no, "apt-cache policy LRI-2.0.53-upgrade-2" |
| 02:00.57 | grendal_prime | ya it just sent me the desctription i put in it.. |
| 02:01.18 | stew | grendal_prime: are you running debian? |
| 02:01.27 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 02:01.55 | shyam | hi, i have changed sources.list to have only the us repo and replaced lenny with sid,to upgrade to sid..and i gave apt-get update and apt-get upgrade..and now its downloading the packages.. can i pause in between this and resume later? |
| 02:01.55 | stew | grendal_prime: then "apt-cache policy packagename" would show much more than the description |
| 02:01.58 | tonhe | anyone here ever setup virtualmin with mailman and the virtualmin mailman manager? |
| 02:02.17 | grendal_prime | on the server or the cient? |
| 02:02.54 | *** join/#debian gregg_man (n=gregg_ma@acl1-2173bts.gw.smartbro.net) |
| 02:03.22 | tonhe | quit |
| 02:03.36 | *** join/#debian dbadm (n=dbadm@189.51.231.70) |
| 02:04.03 | grendal_prime | sorry stew here ya go |
| 02:04.06 | grendal_prime | Production:~# apt-cache policy LRI-2.0.53-upgrade-2 |
| 02:04.10 | grendal_prime | LRI-2.0.53-upgrade-2: |
| 02:04.10 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.10 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.10 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.10 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.10 | *** kick/#debian [grendal_prime!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 02:04.11 | xoz | shyam: if it's downloading, ctrl-c but if it's configuring already, better let it finish. otherwise, do dpkg --pending -a |
| 02:04.23 | *** join/#debian grendal_prime (n=grendal_@dsl-12-44-166-053.arpa2.caltel.com) |
| 02:04.32 | grendal_prime | sorry i know sory damn it |
| 02:04.53 | shyam | xoz: thanks.. |
| 02:05.12 | grendal_prime | here it is http://rafb.net/p/Y1RbEq16.html |
| 02:05.25 | abrotman | shyam: why would you run unstable? |
| 02:05.25 | shyam | anyone over internet face a general slowness in connection? |
| 02:05.47 | shyam | abrotman: for the same thing debian provide unstable for.. |
| 02:05.51 | shyam | :) |
| 02:05.57 | grendal_prime | only when everyone gets home from work and starts watching porn? |
| 02:05.58 | shyam | just to enjoy crashing |
| 02:06.02 | stew | grendal_prime: ok, so it isn't installed. |
| 02:06.04 | abrotman | !tell shyam about sid upgrade |
| 02:06.09 | *** join/#debian gpm (n=gpm@c-98-210-146-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 02:06.09 | xoz | shyam: better use virtualbox and place your unstable there |
| 02:06.25 | xoz | shyam: or at least you have another partition with stable. |
| 02:06.28 | grendal_prime | it installed all the pre- dependencys |
| 02:06.40 | stew | grendal_prime: ok, so what about this is unexpected? |
| 02:06.42 | shyam | xoz: yeah i have another partition which is working.. |
| 02:06.43 | grendal_prime | drop all the files it was supposed to drop. |
| 02:07.01 | stew | grendal_prime: its in the unpacked state i guess? |
| 02:07.06 | stew | grendal_prime: did the preinst fail? |
| 02:07.20 | *** join/#debian a[2121]e (n=Linux@118.100.2.57) |
| 02:07.28 | *** join/#debian Malf (n=Malf@216-164-58-125.c3-0.129-ubr2.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com) |
| 02:07.28 | grendal_prime | there was not preinstall scripts...post but they all rand |
| 02:07.33 | xoz | shyam: yep, then experiment and good luck. just be sure you can do the grub commandline if ever grub has problem booting using sid's grub. |
| 02:07.56 | shyam | ok.. |
| 02:08.46 | grendal_prime | ran...and here is the actualy NAME OF THE .DEB that does get installed. lri-2.0.53-upgrade-1 |
| 02:08.53 | shyam | ah i read some where,that people go with sid and face a lott of problem and just rush in here to waste a lott of time;-) ill try not to do that:) |
| 02:09.06 | stew | grendal_prime: what does "dpkg -s LRI-2.0.53-upgrade-2 | grep Status" say? |
| 02:09.10 | xoz | shyam: and try another mirror if you have slow connection. sometimes, ctrl-c and apt-get update will solve the slowness... for certain reasons im not sure about. |
| 02:09.30 | grendal_prime | wich is the name of the package... |
| 02:09.45 | stew | grendal_prime: what is the name of the package? |
| 02:09.48 | shyam | xoz: its with browsers too i just cant get freelists.org!! |
| 02:09.54 | abrotman | shyam: i'd use another mirror .. the ftp.us.debian.org can be pretty darn slow |
| 02:10.03 | xoz | shyam: if you are just very self-relian with sid, you will learn a lot. |
| 02:10.09 | shyam | abrotman: ic.. can i change it now? |
| 02:10.11 | grendal_prime | Status: purge ok not-installed |
| 02:10.12 | xoz | shyam: then maybe your connection. |
| 02:10.26 | stew | grendal_prime: so the postinst didn't run |
| 02:10.30 | grendal_prime | but it is. I mean its listed as i in aptitude |
| 02:10.32 | stew | grendal_prime: since its not at all installed |
| 02:10.41 | shyam | can i change the mirror in between the download process after giving it a pause? |
| 02:10.46 | stew | grendal_prime: what command did you use to install it? |
| 02:10.50 | abrotman | shyam: you can hit ctrl-c on the download .. change the source .. then apititude update && aptitude dist-upgrade again |
| 02:10.55 | shyam | okok |
| 02:11.01 | *** join/#debian denken (n=denken@rhea.pixelchaos.net) |
| 02:11.04 | *** join/#debian Dunedan_ (n=dunedan@phoenitydawn.de) |
| 02:11.06 | xoz | shyam: you can break from the current apt-get update and change /etc/apt/sources.list and the update and upgrade |
| 02:11.09 | abrotman | !tell shyam about mirrors |
| 02:11.35 | abrotman | shyam: and pick a mirror near you |
| 02:11.44 | shyam | yeah iitm has one.. |
| 02:11.58 | xoz | abrotman: sometimes, nearness is not based on KMS :) |
| 02:12.01 | grendal_prime | apt-get install LRI-2.0.53-upgrade-2 |
| 02:12.03 | abrotman | i know .. |
| 02:12.03 | stew | grendal_prime: when you said "wich is the name of the package" what did you mean? what is the name of the package? |
| 02:12.25 | grendal_prime | there are two packages that show up with the same name accept for the case |
| 02:12.46 | grendal_prime | now..do i have to name the thing inside the control file with the same name as the package? |
| 02:12.46 | xoz | shyam: try several mirrors until you have a decent speedup. |
| 02:13.24 | grendal_prime | because i tried that earlyer and it did not help |
| 02:13.27 | shyam | what a wierd time i am having(and i think my friends too)debian.org loads fastly as usual,freelists.org is not.. irc,apt works fine,google search does not,but yahoo works fine.. |
| 02:13.27 | abrotman | !tell shyam about apt-spy |
| 02:13.27 | stew | grendal_prime: if they are different names they are different packages |
| 02:13.37 | stew | grendal_prime: "think inside the control file"? |
| 02:14.00 | grendal_prime | so the name inside the control file sould be LRI-2.0.53-upgrade-2.deb |
| 02:14.14 | grendal_prime | and the name of the actual package has to match that exactly? |
| 02:15.15 | stew | grendal_prime: the thing inside the control file IS the package name, so it matches by definition |
| 02:15.38 | grendal_prime | ok i tried this earlyer and i could not get it to work that way ither. |
| 02:15.42 | grendal_prime | ill try it again |
| 02:15.46 | stew | grendal_prime: you tried what? |
| 02:16.14 | grendal_prime | setting the name in the control file to LRI-2.deb and creating the package with the same name. |
| 02:16.40 | stew | i'm completely lost |
| 02:16.48 | grendal_prime | so that after i dpkg --build pathtofolder LRI-2.deb |
| 02:17.01 | grendal_prime | i up load file to the server |
| 02:17.36 | grendal_prime | run the scanpkgs app, go back to the client and clear the cash ask it to forget the new packages and rescan the repositorys |
| 02:17.50 | grendal_prime | ill try it..but umm pretty sure i did that alread |
| 02:18.09 | *** join/#debian linuxmain (n=linuxmai@74.94.43.197) |
| 02:19.52 | stew | grendal_prime: i don't understand what you are trying to do |
| 02:20.05 | *** join/#debian dyCrazyEd (n=CrazyEdd@220-253-152-100.VIC.netspace.net.au) |
| 02:20.09 | *** part/#debian LeoDing (n=Administ@wuxi.asianux.net) |
| 02:20.50 | *** join/#debian faw (n=felipe@unaffiliated/faw) |
| 02:21.14 | *** join/#debian linuxmain (n=linuxmai@74.94.43.197) |
| 02:21.24 | shyam | thanks everybody.. hopefully will re-join in sid.. |
| 02:21.32 | *** part/#debian shyam (n=shyam@117.196.139.62) |
| 02:22.20 | grendal_prime | well i was wrong..it did work that time....whell what the hell... |
| 02:22.44 | grendal_prime | ummm ok hold i need to look at that howto...i could have sworn it said that didnt matter |
| 02:23.14 | *** join/#debian grnman (n=grnman@c-76-110-165-179.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 02:23.31 | grendal_prime | ya on this howto..http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/#AEN92 |
| 02:23.59 | grendal_prime | they name the package in the control file linuxstatus then they name the package itself...debian.deb ? |
| 02:24.40 | roe_ | I have a software raid 5 and one of the drives is dead. it is /dev/sda. Since I had a hot spare the raid is still healthy, but I want to find which drive is dead so I can replace it. Any ideas how I can match up sda with a physical drive? |
| 02:25.01 | grendal_prime | and in the end it winds up being named linuxstatus_1.1-1_all.deb??? so wtf? |
| 02:25.13 | grendal_prime | but the control file still reads linuxstatus |
| 02:25.51 | grendal_prime | werid...stew thanks...again...you got me through it and thats all that matters...now i know..."and knowing is half the battle" wow...i should patend that... |
| 02:26.19 | *** join/#debian thermal (n=Stonedco@c-76-115-234-122.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 02:26.23 | grendal_prime | i swear to god i tried that though |
| 02:26.50 | thermal | is there a way to use the debian net install on a dvd? |
| 02:26.56 | *** join/#debian linuxmain (n=linuxmai@74.94.43.197) |
| 02:27.00 | thermal | I don't have any cds :/ |
| 02:27.27 | *** join/#debian bbelt16ag (n=erin@223.218.101.97.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 02:29.11 | *** join/#debian ou812 (n=goofy@nc-71-49-35-95.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 02:30.26 | phorce1 | thermal: burning an iso to dvd should work just like burning it to cd |
| 02:30.35 | phorce1 | just waste a bit more space |
| 02:30.46 | *** join/#debian maxamillion (n=adam@li23-229.members.linode.com) |
| 02:31.00 | stew | grendal_prime: .debs are packagename_version_arch.diff, so linuxstatus_1.1-1_all.deb is an arch: all package of the linustatus package, version 1.1-1 |
| 02:31.59 | phorce1 | does a happy dance as NASA plays through a combination of szap/dvbstream/mplayer -- now I just need to compile a working copy of scan |
| 02:32.16 | *** join/#debian SlackDeb (n=fperetti@201.254.126.59) |
| 02:33.10 | *** join/#debian pikudo (n=chatzill@190.43.133.113) |
| 02:35.06 | *** join/#debian Sweetandy (n=user@c-24-22-132-246.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 02:35.49 | thermal | I tried a few programs and they complain that you didn't insert a cd |
| 02:36.23 | grendal_prime | ok that makes more sence |
| 02:37.19 | *** join/#debian near_ (n=near@83-153-94-235.rev.libertysurf.net) |
| 02:37.23 | *** join/#debian jimbo (i=jimbo@dynamic9-197.MAN-B2-1.cablenet.com.ni) |
| 02:37.26 | grendal_prime | so the actual package of mine should have been named LRI version 2.0.53 arch all |
| 02:38.03 | grendal_prime | so the package i create would be called what? just LRI.deb..or lri.2.0.53.all.deb? |
| 02:38.07 | grendal_prime | sorry |
| 02:38.12 | phorce1 | thermal: it should work just like booting from a CD though I've never tried. |
| 02:38.21 | grendal_prime | so the package i create would be called what? just LRI.deb..or lri_2.0.53_all.deb? |
| 02:38.31 | thermal | naw I mean the burning programs themself complain that you're trying to burn a cd image on a dvd |
| 02:40.16 | *** join/#debian Gryfelhas (n=Gryflhas@p4FD214A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 02:40.40 | phorce1 | Tell the burning program you are burning a DVD iso |
| 02:40.44 | *** join/#debian NeowiN (i=neowin@85.196.123.182) |
| 02:42.27 | *** join/#debian epoch (n=K-I-S-S@p3m/member/epoch) |
| 02:42.51 | epoch | how would i setup a process/memory limit for my users?? |
| 02:43.11 | stew | epoch: man limits.conf |
| 02:43.15 | epoch | thanks |
| 02:43.34 | epoch | root@true:/etc# man limits.conf |
| 02:43.34 | epoch | bash: man: command not found |
| 02:43.37 | epoch | now thats interesting |
| 02:43.46 | epoch | googles instead |
| 02:43.58 | abrotman | epoch: man -k limits |
| 02:44.04 | *** join/#debian coromatic (n=chris@static-87-79-239-136.netcologne.de) |
| 02:45.02 | epoch | ok, ive found /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 02:45.07 | epoch | looks good |
| 02:45.16 | epoch | is there a way to attach this to adduser? |
| 02:45.20 | *** join/#debian KnuckOne (n=Knuck1@AMarseille-151-1-22-160.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 02:45.22 | stew | abrotman: he apparantly doens't have man |
| 02:45.37 | abrotman | oh .. misread :) |
| 02:46.51 | *** join/#debian suwro (n=daci@92.83.140.11) |
| 02:46.55 | suwro | hello |
| 02:47.29 | *** part/#debian suwro (n=daci@92.83.140.11) |
| 02:49.32 | *** join/#debian mike1 (n=Solidus@ppp-69-237-70-174.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) |
| 02:51.10 | thermal | phorcel, got it working, just needed a different dvd burner program |
| 02:52.40 | *** join/#debian euud (n=chatzill@60-249-99-148.HINET-IP.hinet.net) |
| 02:53.13 | *** join/#debian freebird2 (n=freebird@201.6.249.46) |
| 02:53.30 | *** join/#debian foka (n=foka@124.64.109.152) |
| 02:54.49 | mike1 | hello I needed to switch my hard drive from sata to AHCI in order to get the installer to recognize my hard drive, but i need to use the hard drive in sata mode to boot into windows, how do I get linux to recognize my hard drive, i can get the details of the controller card |
| 02:55.14 | phorce1 | thermal: good to hear. /me is about to install mythtv to see if it will scan channels on my poorly supported dvb-s card |
| 02:55.47 | abrotman | mike1: maybe try the etchnhalf kernel |
| 02:56.33 | *** join/#debian freebird2 (n=freebird@201.6.249.46) |
| 02:56.54 | *** join/#debian se7en11 (n=se7en@p579FAC45.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:57.13 | *** join/#debian coromatic (n=chris@static-87-79-239-136.netcologne.de) |
| 03:00.25 | *** join/#debian odder_ (n=odder@gdr28.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 03:00.32 | *** join/#debian BhaalWK (i=bhaal@freenode/staff-emeritus/bhaal) |
| 03:02.05 | *** join/#debian Sweetandy (n=andrew@c-24-22-132-246.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 03:02.23 | *** join/#debian Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 03:02.46 | Sweetandy | 816 people, wow |
| 03:03.39 | *** join/#debian goldfisc1li (n=jobe@pD9E8C1E4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:05.45 | *** part/#debian mike1 (n=Solidus@ppp-69-237-70-174.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) |
| 03:08.59 | smacnay | Hi, I am trying to set up mpd over a lan. I can now see and play music on the server with a client but cannot hear it. Is there a setting in the mpd.conf file that is changes this? |
| 03:10.09 | *** join/#debian victorjsp (n=vjspnu@189.71.136.11) |
| 03:16.54 | *** join/#debian agentfy2k (i=allan@119.111.140.57) |
| 03:17.46 | *** join/#debian DaRtH_VaDeR (n=anakin@unaffiliated/darthvader/x-892375) |
| 03:18.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea |
| 03:18.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !mpd |
| 03:18.08 | dpkg | hmm... mpd is multiple personality disorder or Music Player Daemon: http://www.musicpd.org, packaged in Debian as 'mpd'. FAQ: http://mpd.wikicities.com/wiki/FAQ #mpd on irc.freenode.net |
| 03:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh, the wiki link is dead |
| 03:18.58 | *** join/#debian Rusty1 (n=Rusty1@cpe-72-226-109-39.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 03:19.18 | *** join/#debian karrotx (n=steve@pool-70-110-22-197.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 03:21.25 | *** join/#debian Cobra| (n=aa@Ub2f9.u.pppool.de) |
| 03:24.10 | Sweetandy | !user |
| 03:24.19 | efaistos_ | some user of zsh ? |
| 03:24.43 | Sweetandy | ? |
| 03:24.51 | Sweetandy | !debian |
| 03:24.51 | dpkg | debian is probably http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 03:24.57 | Sweetandy | I love the story of how Debian got its name |
| 03:25.04 | Sweetandy | Ever since I'll never mispronounce it |
| 03:25.19 | Sweetandy | Deh-bee-un |
| 03:26.46 | *** join/#debian bier (n=bier@p54A55DBB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:28.03 | *** part/#debian epoch (n=K-I-S-S@p3m/member/epoch) |
| 03:28.06 | *** join/#debian woody1234 (n=wody@222.71.213.59) |
| 03:28.55 | *** join/#debian cloudy_nz (n=chatzill@119.224.22.12) |
| 03:29.09 | grendal_prime | where is the story about its pronunciation |
| 03:29.19 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 03:29.45 | *** join/#debian agentfy2k (i=kopperne@119.111.140.226) |
| 03:35.56 | dudeman | look man |
| 03:36.04 | dudeman | how hard is it to say Deb, Ian |
| 03:36.05 | dudeman | ? |
| 03:36.11 | cloudy_nz | lol |
| 03:36.13 | dudeman | put em togethers, not really hard work you know |
| 03:39.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 824] by debhelper |
| 03:41.08 | *** join/#debian webPragmatist (n=none@99-6-241-169.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:42.13 | *** part/#debian cloudy_nz (n=chatzill@119.224.22.12) |
| 03:49.09 | *** join/#debian bier__ (n=bier@p54A55DBB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:51.32 | *** part/#debian victorjsp (n=vjspnu@189.71.136.11) |
| 03:51.41 | *** join/#debian Averell (n=averell@p3m/member/Averell) |
| 03:52.44 | *** join/#debian MrJoey (i=MrJoey@70.151.149.100) |
| 03:53.53 | *** join/#debian shital__ (n=shital@121.243.177.213) |
| 03:54.32 | *** join/#debian MrJoey (i=MrJoey@70.151.149.100) |
| 03:56.09 | *** join/#debian DanDare2 (n=DanDare2@189.59.160.125) |
| 03:57.40 | *** join/#debian Xttor_ (n=irc@h57n2c1o290.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 03:59.11 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 04:00.53 | *** join/#debian Penggu (n=me@156.39.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 04:01.46 | Penggu | hi all. trying to disable ipv6.. i've done the modprobe.d aliases. but despite that, when i issue "ifup eth0", it loads the ipv6 module. any ideas? running 2.6.24 |
| 04:02.20 | *** join/#debian zink_ (n=GOTA@pc-110-112-86-200.cm.vtr.net) |
| 04:04.28 | qq- | !ipv6 |
| 04:04.28 | dpkg | hmm... ipv6 is at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see <iproute>, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ |
| 04:05.37 | Penggu | heaps of websites describing the modprobe.d method of disabling it. OS does end up loading without the ipv6 module, but it still loads when i use the if(up/down) commands |
| 04:05.57 | *** join/#debian Gm4n_ (n=Gm4n@1and1.ath.cx) |
| 04:06.56 | *** join/#debian Jack_Sparrow (n=Jack_Spa@unaffiliated/jacksparrow/x-876322) |
| 04:09.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 817] by debhelper |
| 04:09.34 | *** join/#debian binarymutant (n=binarymu@74.183.82.37) |
| 04:19.14 | *** join/#debian fxcp (n=ctp@brsg-d9befe3b.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 04:19.50 | *** join/#debian sosmud (n=sosmud@68-246-185-32.area3.spcsdns.net) |
| 04:19.59 | *** join/#debian bullgard4 (n=detlef@p5B259498.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 04:20.48 | *** join/#debian subsume (n=chatzill@192.76.242.24.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 04:20.57 | subsume | I like how cp -u works. is there any way to duplicate the functionality with scp? |
| 04:20.59 | smacnay | which is the preferred server to install in Deb testing: icecast2 or icecast-server |
| 04:21.00 | smacnay | ? |
| 04:21.11 | *** part/#debian Gm4n (n=Gm4n@unaffiliated/gm4n) |
| 04:24.26 | *** join/#debian X1938 (i=x1938@bnc1.shellium.org) |
| 04:25.57 | *** join/#debian creepa (i=creepa@c-24-62-99-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 04:29.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 811] by debhelper |
| 04:30.08 | *** join/#debian litage (n=nick@CPE001ee5861925-CM000f9f1cf1da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 04:31.17 | *** part/#debian subsume (n=chatzill@192.76.242.24.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 04:31.53 | *** join/#debian erikja (n=erikja@0x57314066.abnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 04:32.19 | *** join/#debian shogunx (n=shogunx@rrcs-24-73-158-97.se.biz.rr.com) |
| 04:35.58 | *** join/#debian fvwmnet (n=sdfpme@121.13.174.192) |
| 04:36.15 | *** join/#debian dmoerner (n=dmoerner@ppp-71-139-30-137.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 04:37.11 | *** part/#debian binarymutant (n=binarymu@74.183.82.37) |
| 04:39.12 | *** join/#debian XGas (n=XGas@144.136.68.59) |
| 04:39.27 | *** join/#debian foka (n=foka@124.64.109.152) |
| 04:40.56 | *** join/#debian SexyKen (n=ken@c-67-160-193-210.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 04:40.57 | SexyKen | Where's a good place to find small Mini ATX (desktop style) cases besides NewEgg, Amazon or TigerDirect? |
| 04:42.24 | spx2 | how do I install kde4 on my debian ? |
| 04:42.34 | spx2 | is there an official guide or smth ? |
| 04:42.43 | spx2 | I just find experimental etc install guides |
| 04:42.45 | spx2 | and also on blogs |
| 04:44.24 | *** join/#debian drwahl (n=drwahl@c-67-182-138-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 04:44.50 | *** join/#debian helpIt (n=BierScha@p57BB412B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 04:45.13 | helpIt | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/2199735/ |
| 04:46.20 | drwahl | i'm looking for a cpu stepping utility. i see in the repo ftp.us.debian.org, cpufreqd and powernowd. it seems that they are both cpu step utilities. any suggestions as to which one would work better for a quad core laptop? |
| 04:47.06 | Wyzard | I don't think the quad-core has anything to do with it |
| 04:47.25 | craigevil | spx2: kde4.debian.net |
| 04:47.34 | Wyzard | I used to use cpufreqd, but nowadays the kernel's "ondemand" governor works well enough by itself so I don't need to run a daemon at all |
| 04:47.44 | drwahl | i only mention that it is quad core because i was reading some stuff about how powernowd has 'support for multi core machines' |
| 04:48.16 | spx2 | craigevil: quote from the kde4.debian.net (which I have stumbled upon recently) This might not work since Lenny is still not a stable release, and some depends might broken. In this case, install one by one the modules you need/want. |
| 04:49.19 | *** join/#debian darrh00 (n=darren@218.17.41.123) |
| 04:49.31 | drwahl | is there any way to see if/when the cpu is being stepped up/down? |
| 04:50.04 | dmoerner | drwahl: if you have an intel cpu, ondemand kernel governor will be more efficient than other userland utilities. however i don't think the quad cores have frequency scaling supported at the moment |
| 04:50.37 | drwahl | good to know |
| 04:50.49 | *** join/#debian RulingFool (n=Justin@ip72-198-38-131.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 04:50.56 | drwahl | i should also mention that i'm using lenny, if that changes anything |
| 04:51.13 | *** join/#debian NXAdmin (n=username@dslb-088-078-011-036.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 04:51.42 | *** join/#debian nolimitsoya (n=nolimits@176.139.216.81.static.vhe.siw.siwnet.net) |
| 04:53.34 | *** join/#debian Nopalin (n=iperales@201.152.14.31) |
| 04:53.55 | *** join/#debian oc80z (i=oc80z@quad.efnet.pe) |
| 04:54.02 | Nopalin | hello, anybody knows if is possible to redirect the stderr of the command from bash script to a variable? |
| 04:55.32 | *** join/#debian SeaHorse (n=linux@70.25.191.76) |
| 04:56.06 | SeaHorse | salut tout le monde |
| 04:56.14 | *** join/#debian chomwitt (n=chomwitt@adsl89-162.ath.forthnet.gr) |
| 04:56.16 | Asymmetry | Is there a reason to go with Debian over Ubuntu? |
| 04:56.49 | Asymmetry | Considering one is based on the other and all... I'm curious as to whether or not there's really a difference. |
| 04:56.52 | craigevil | Debian is the mommy/daddy while ubuntu is the red haired step child |
| 04:57.10 | Asymmetry | But what does that mean in a technical perspective? |
| 04:57.19 | SeaHorse | Debian is to stable and Debian dont use sudo Asymmetry |
| 04:57.41 | Asymmetry | I don't really see a problem with sudo, myself. |
| 04:58.00 | Asymmetry | Then again, I just use su on my systems... |
| 04:59.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 820] by debhelper |
| 04:59.10 | SeaHorse | Debian again Ubuntu, it's a preferences |
| 04:59.37 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-248867.home.otenet.gr) |
| 05:00.56 | *** join/#debian cahoot (n=radix@pdpc/supporter/active/cahoot) |
| 05:00.57 | *** join/#debian cahoot_ (n=radix@pdpc/supporter/active/cahoot) |
| 05:01.39 | *** part/#debian Nopalin (n=iperales@201.152.14.31) |
| 05:02.37 | *** join/#debian rchi (n=rchi@220-253-25-218.VIC.netspace.net.au) |
| 05:03.14 | shital__ | Debian-5 released?? |
| 05:04.18 | wols_ | shital__: no |
| 05:04.43 | wols_ | !tell Asymmetry about debian |
| 05:04.49 | shital__ | wols_: when will be the release date? |
| 05:04.50 | wols_ | !tell Asymmetry about why debian |
| 05:04.57 | wols_ | !tell shital__ about wwlr |
| 05:05.09 | wols_ | shital__: whenever rc bugs reach zero |
| 05:05.43 | shital__ | ok |
| 05:05.55 | craigevil | Asymmetry: http://polishlinux.org/choose/comparison/?distro1=Ubuntu&distro2=Debian is a decent comparison of the two |
| 05:06.13 | Asymmetry | Danke. |
| 05:07.04 | craigevil | although a few of the things are out of date or just plain wrong, for example the System boot-up should pretty much be the other way around |
| 05:07.47 | *** join/#debian akio (n=akio@6532166hfc78.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 05:08.26 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-248867.home.otenet.gr) |
| 05:08.49 | *** join/#debian sebastian^ (n=sgosenhe@X8e82.x.pppool.de) |
| 05:09.35 | *** join/#debian cahoot (n=radix@82.183.196.76) |
| 05:11.00 | *** join/#debian foka (n=foka@211.154.174.60) |
| 05:11.38 | screamingbytes | i didn't know there was a kurdish linux |
| 05:11.58 | *** join/#debian GeorgeA (n=george@77.246.73.33) |
| 05:12.04 | akio | has anyone here worked with irda? |
| 05:12.55 | akio | I have the modules irda and irtty loaded |
| 05:13.32 | akio | I just got a Palm Centro and I'm trying to get it to work with irda |
| 05:13.42 | akio | works on the windows side no probs |
| 05:13.46 | Wyzard | I once got the IrDA ports on two Linux laptops to recognize each other, but didn't have any use for it so it was just for novelty value |
| 05:13.52 | *** part/#debian prolix (n=user@c-76-28-238-157.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 05:13.57 | *** join/#debian gnusosa (n=lockonst@adsl-75-33-13-143.dsl.sndg02.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:14.14 | screamingbytes | ive only duped a remote control |
| 05:14.16 | akio | BIOS says its on com3 so thats S02 i believe ... |
| 05:14.18 | screamingbytes | nothing serious |
| 05:14.53 | akio | im really not too savvy as to whats going on, this feels like old days of linux wireless |
| 05:14.55 | *** join/#debian yn1v (n=neville@dynamic6-126.MAN-B2-1.cablenet.com.ni) |
| 05:14.57 | screamingbytes | ive never been able to network 2 though |
| 05:15.03 | *** part/#debian yn1v (n=neville@dynamic6-126.MAN-B2-1.cablenet.com.ni) |
| 05:15.20 | akio | I have been reading tldp |
| 05:15.28 | screamingbytes | hehe |
| 05:15.39 | akio | but when i get to the irdadump part my Centro is not detected |
| 05:15.42 | screamingbytes | most of that is def old school |
| 05:16.19 | screamingbytes | but its all still good info akio |
| 05:16.50 | akio | i see stuff like ircp-tray and it looks like it's set up for people not going through tldp |
| 05:17.03 | akio | like I'm trying too hard or something |
| 05:19.39 | *** join/#debian desti_T2 (n=desti@p5B018E83.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 05:22.31 | *** join/#debian chomwitt_ (n=chomwitt@adsl59-84.ath.forthnet.gr) |
| 05:23.43 | *** join/#debian stodan (n=daniel@git66.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 05:23.47 | akio | how do i install fonts the visual way? |
| 05:23.58 | akio | like drag n drop where? |
| 05:25.21 | *** join/#debian Starwatcher (n=David@67-54-209-63.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 05:25.48 | *** join/#debian zarac (n=zarac@a82-95-114-224.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 05:27.56 | *** join/#debian DanDare (n=DanDare@189.59.160.125) |
| 05:28.21 | *** join/#debian wthww (n=wthww@cpe-24-160-211-77.ma.res.rr.com) |
| 05:29.17 | screamingbytes | akio: ttf? |
| 05:30.28 | screamingbytes | akio: iac /usr/share/fonts/ |
| 05:30.38 | akio | prc |
| 05:30.41 | *** join/#debian path__ (n=path@pc-74-207-46-190.cm.vtr.net) |
| 05:31.56 | *** join/#debian Jemt (n=Jemt@0x5550950d.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 05:32.04 | screamingbytes | not familiar with prc fonts akio |
| 05:32.22 | akio | i see them in there but i don't know which folder to put them in |
| 05:32.31 | akio | i see multiple dpi's |
| 05:33.16 | screamingbytes | u using gnome or kde? |
| 05:34.32 | Jemt | Good morning. I'm working on a couple of computers which runs Debian from a USB stick. The stick contains two partitions - root partition and a data partition. The user on the system have been removed from the group plugdev, so that USB devices and similar cannot be mounted on the system. But this also means that the data partition is not mounted on start up. I can fix this by mounting it using /etc/fstab, but then the drive seems to be mounted |
| 05:34.32 | Jemt | twice - as a hard drive, and as a removable device. How do I fix this ? I don't want it to appear twice. |
| 05:34.41 | akio | gnome |
| 05:35.17 | akio | how does that work? |
| 05:35.39 | akio | fast IO on that drive or is it even used that much? |
| 05:39.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 813] by debhelper |
| 05:39.35 | screamingbytes | akio: try dropping those fonts into ~/.fonts then log out and in. not reboot |
| 05:39.47 | akio | brb |
| 05:40.01 | *** join/#debian jayaraj (n=jayaraj@121.247.149.5) |
| 05:41.45 | *** join/#debian basdf1 (n=david@124-168-175-72.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 05:41.53 | basdf1 | hi is there an arm arch for lenny |
| 05:42.07 | basdf1 | because i have just been by mistake upgrading my arm etch isntallation to lenny. arm ? |
| 05:42.18 | basdf1 | i thought arm was being droped in favour of armel |
| 05:44.09 | *** join/#debian akio (n=akio@6532166hfc78.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 05:44.24 | *** join/#debian nachos (n=nachos@d220-238-94-144.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 05:44.27 | screamingbytes | basdfi: looks like there both there http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:44.28 | *** join/#debian seem (n=seem@ip-89.171.26.54.crowley.pl) |
| 05:44.38 | screamingbytes | maybe there phasing one in and one out |
| 05:44.43 | basdf1 | so there isn't a problem in me staying on arm then awsome. |
| 05:45.07 | basdf1 | well i just upgraded a ton of packages ... there isn't a way to go back now is there rof l? |
| 05:45.10 | screamingbytes | there both available on the lenny beta2 release dl page |
| 05:45.19 | screamingbytes | :) |
| 05:45.20 | basdf1 | screamingbytes: is it possible to move back ? |
| 05:45.25 | screamingbytes | yea |
| 05:45.28 | akio | no dice |
| 05:45.29 | basdf1 | really ? |
| 05:45.35 | basdf1 | how.... |
| 05:47.31 | woody1234 | how can i know who delete a file |
| 05:48.05 | basdf1 | rm |
| 05:48.08 | *** join/#debian jayaraj (n=jayaraj@121.247.149.5) |
| 05:49.07 | screamingbytes | dasdfl: there are ways with apt and debconf, some of the guys in here earlier in the day would know exactly how |
| 05:49.31 | screamingbytes | akio, id try different areas in /usr/share/fonts/ and see what kinda luck you get |
| 05:49.35 | basdf1 | um. i think i'm going to just stick with it |
| 05:49.48 | screamingbytes | basdfl: sounds like a good idea |
| 05:49.48 | akio | thats what im doing now |
| 05:49.53 | screamingbytes | akio: kewl |
| 05:49.55 | akio | thanks though |
| 05:50.00 | woody1234 | i need to check the samba log and apache log so that i know the bad guy who delete some important files several days before |
| 05:50.14 | screamingbytes | /var/log/ |
| 05:50.36 | screamingbytes | woody1234: look in the log files, they are progably tar'd by now |
| 05:50.52 | screamingbytes | well im gonna hit the sack, see u guys tomorrow |
| 05:51.13 | *** join/#debian Penol (n=Penol@195.18.226.194) |
| 05:51.22 | Penol | I have a big problem, i got like Read-only file system how to fix readwrite |
| 05:51.26 | *** join/#debian Quartermaster1 (n=Quarterm@c-98-208-54-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:51.31 | Penol | Error writing /root/.nano_history: Read-only file system |
| 05:51.53 | screamingbytes | akio: check this post out, it might help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7135 theres a script there |
| 05:52.25 | woody1234 | i have a look at the log using grep deleted_filename * in the path /var/log but i get nothing |
| 05:53.20 | screamingbytes | there are tar'd log files there, you may need to un tar them |
| 05:53.26 | wols_ | Penol: fsck it and remount rw |
| 05:53.38 | woody1234 | ok thanks |
| 05:53.44 | Penol | wols_? |
| 05:53.55 | screamingbytes | evenin wols_ |
| 05:53.55 | woody1234 | i will have a try |
| 05:54.10 | screamingbytes | and good night :) |
| 05:54.18 | akio | screamingbytes: that seems to have the commands needed for the pcf install, thanks |
| 05:54.24 | woody1234 | good night |
| 05:54.27 | wols_ | Penol: fsck the filesystem |
| 05:54.33 | basdf1 | wols_: want to help me move from lenny just installed a few packages by mistake --> so i can be back on etch. or is that impossible |
| 05:54.35 | screamingbytes | no prob, im glad it worked brother |
| 05:54.41 | Penol | and mount -r / ? |
| 05:54.41 | akio | i love that word, fsck!! |
| 05:54.54 | wols_ | basdf1: impossible to downgrade, only manually |
| 05:54.58 | wols_ | !tell basdf1 about downgrade |
| 05:55.01 | basdf1 | ok. noted. |
| 05:55.05 | akio | i don't know yet, but i'm sure it wil |
| 05:55.09 | akio | will* |
| 05:55.12 | *** join/#debian GomoX (n=gomo@OL55-187.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 05:55.22 | GomoX | Hey |
| 05:55.30 | wols_ | Penol: fsck it |
| 05:55.46 | GomoX | Is there a gnome program that does the equivalent of javascript's alert()? |
| 05:56.31 | Penol | wols_: http://pastebin.no/37716 |
| 05:56.33 | *** join/#debian Walther (n=john@S01060013102d1ae7.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 05:56.33 | *** join/#debian solagrace (n=solagrac@211.146.64.253) |
| 05:56.57 | solagrace | hi, I just installed a new Chinese font on my debian with kde, now the iceweasel menu font looks huge! |
| 05:57.00 | solagrace | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.11 | wols_ | Penol: then remount rw |
| 05:57.14 | solagrace | the font name is dejavu sans yuanti. |
| 05:57.14 | solagrace | please help. |
| 05:57.29 | Penol | mount -o remount / |
| 05:57.34 | Penol | ? |
| 06:01.45 | spx2 | is there any .iso of debian with kde4 ? |
| 06:01.51 | spx2 | how do I install kde4 on my system ? |
| 06:02.16 | basdf1 | wols_: well how do i find the files that are now the lenny version ? |
| 06:02.27 | basdf1 | tzdata ... libcsomething and something else i think i saw... |
| 06:03.07 | *** join/#debian ProN0ob (n=dot@pD9E38659.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 06:03.16 | wols_ | basdf1: dpkg.log |
| 06:03.22 | basdf1 | ok |
| 06:03.26 | woody1234 | now had see the samba and apache log,i gunzip the log but i got none |
| 06:03.28 | wols_ | !tell spx2 about kde4 |
| 06:04.04 | spx2 | wols_: I'll take a look |
| 06:04.21 | basdf1 | thank you wols_. i will probably need some help tho a bit later. cuz i think they were important files. |
| 06:05.56 | *** join/#debian giuppy (n=giuppy@host76-212-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 06:06.27 | *** join/#debian Kvant- (i=hh@unaffiliated/kvant) |
| 06:06.43 | woody1234 | a bad guy has delete the important files i have seen the apache and samba log use grep command but i got nothing anyone can help me? |
| 06:06.59 | *** join/#debian Kwitschibo (n=Michael@host-091-096-140-091.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 06:08.02 | woody1234 | a |
| 06:08.25 | *** join/#debian linostar (i=linostar@warhead.dreamhost.com) |
| 06:08.30 | wols_ | woody1234: yes.reinstall from backups |
| 06:08.53 | *** join/#debian sauvin (n=sauvin@unaffiliated/sauvin) |
| 06:08.57 | woody1234 | i have restore from the backup |
| 06:09.06 | wols_ | so what is the problem? |
| 06:09.21 | woody1234 | i want to know who did it |
| 06:09.26 | wols_ | you can't |
| 06:10.00 | woody1234 | we use the samba for file server rsync for backup apache for test |
| 06:10.24 | wols_ | that's nice but irrelevant for your problem |
| 06:11.04 | woody1234 | yeah i know i need to find out the bad guy |
| 06:11.13 | *** join/#debian tophyr (n=tophyr@pool-98-111-83-155.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net) |
| 06:11.19 | *** join/#debian basdf (n=david@124-168-175-72.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 06:11.20 | wols_ | what part of "you cannot" are you not getting? |
| 06:11.33 | tophyr | hi, please forgive if this is a newb q - i have libgps-2.36-2 installed, and i need libgps-2.37~rc1-1. how can i get this? |
| 06:11.54 | *** join/#debian seemawn (n=seemawn@p579113A5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 06:11.55 | *** join/#debian motin_0_ (n=motin@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) |
| 06:11.56 | spx2 | wols_: second link doesn't work and first one doesn't tell much,in short it helped me not |
| 06:12.10 | *** part/#debian seem (n=seem@ip-89.171.26.54.crowley.pl) |
| 06:12.10 | tophyr | i would rather avoid upgrading to unstable if possible |
| 06:12.16 | wols_ | spx2: kde4 is in experimental and not supported here |
| 06:12.26 | wols_ | !tell tophyr about backport |
| 06:12.33 | spx2 | wols_: so where is it supported then ? |
| 06:12.44 | wols_ | spx2: read the factoid more carefully |
| 06:12.45 | basdf | libc6-dev, util-linux tzdata libc6 wols. ah so .. is it safe to grab the etch version of those .deb's and extract them.... |
| 06:12.50 | *** join/#debian mishok13 (n=gdmfsob@dm.sonopia.com) |
| 06:13.42 | wols_ | woody1234: do not message people unasked |
| 06:13.54 | wols_ | puts woody1234 on ignore. damn sundayers |
| 06:14.16 | basdf | wols_: itso nly thursday ! |
| 06:14.25 | basdf | its only thursday* |
| 06:14.27 | wols_ | !tell basdf about permasunday |
| 06:14.47 | basdf | fair enough. |
| 06:15.12 | basdf | : There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 06:15.13 | basdf | B5D0C804ADB11277. |
| 06:15.40 | wols_ | !topicsmite basdf |
| 06:15.40 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon basdf. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 06:15.50 | *** join/#debian jbasse (n=jbasse@104.226-241-81.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 06:15.52 | basdf | OH ok. |
| 06:15.59 | woody1234 | i am sorry i am beginner |
| 06:16.21 | dudeman | don't be sorry |
| 06:16.26 | dudeman | everyone starts somewhere |
| 06:16.52 | woody1234 | thx |
| 06:18.38 | *** join/#debian Fiskah (n=fiskah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 06:19.06 | *** join/#debian fireba11 (n=Miranda@145.253.117.242) |
| 06:20.57 | basdf | wols how do i force download the packages. given they are newer than their respective counter parts |
| 06:21.20 | wols_ | basdf: use pdo |
| 06:21.54 | basdf | ... damn automisation wants |
| 06:22.40 | *** join/#debian darrh00 (n=darren@218.17.41.123) |
| 06:23.47 | *** join/#debian ZInSK (n=ZInSK@201009012016.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 06:24.10 | *** join/#debian solagrace (n=solagrac@211.146.64.253) |
| 06:28.10 | basdf | ok so wols for these packages... how does one do this safely. i have to replace libc6 |
| 06:28.22 | *** join/#debian o0Chris0o (n=chris@cpe-69-205-241-171.stny.res.rr.com) |
| 06:29.34 | *** join/#debian blijblijblij (n=rogier@blijblijblij.xs4all.nl) |
| 06:29.38 | *** join/#debian Fiskah (n=fiskah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 06:30.51 | *** part/#debian o0Chris0o (n=chris@cpe-69-205-241-171.stny.res.rr.com) |
| 06:31.09 | *** join/#debian N1ckR (n=nick@82-47-214-45.cable.ubr11.brad.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 06:32.33 | *** join/#debian CalebRipley (n=CalebRip@brsg-4dbb2ed8.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 06:33.16 | *** join/#debian Lagbolt (n=jm@c-98-223-49-254.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 06:37.27 | *** join/#debian mhymn (i=mhymn@89.165.76.88) |
| 06:39.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 820] by debhelper |
| 06:41.27 | *** join/#debian freebird2 (n=freebird@201.6.249.46) |
| 06:41.33 | *** join/#debian dante_2core (n=dante@80-219-138-141.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 06:44.43 | *** join/#debian chomwitt (n=chomwitt@adsl54-178.ath.forthnet.gr) |
| 06:46.20 | *** join/#debian SexyKen (n=ken@c-67-160-193-210.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 06:52.15 | *** part/#debian basdf (n=david@124-168-175-72.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 06:55.56 | *** join/#debian wurstwolf (n=wurstwol@BAEe9e7.bae.pppool.de) |
| 06:56.27 | *** join/#debian gate_keeper_ (n=gk@88.85.108.97) |
| 06:56.50 | *** join/#debian rokra (n=rokra@unaffiliated/rokra) |
| 06:58.11 | *** join/#debian kexman (i=kexman@unaffiliated/kexman) |
| 06:58.12 | kexman | hi |
| 06:58.25 | kexman | could anyone clarify lspci output for me ? |
| 06:58.41 | kexman | i want to find my device PCI Subvendor |
| 06:58.46 | kexman | and PCI Subsystem |
| 06:59.29 | eps_ | lspci -v |
| 06:59.41 | *** join/#debian potato (n=poetaeto@41.246.30.197) |
| 06:59.52 | eps_ | oh sorry clarify |
| 07:00.21 | eps_ | paste the output you want to know about in to a pastebin and I'll look for you |
| 07:00.37 | *** join/#debian spx2_ (n=spx2@89.37.70.170) |
| 07:00.48 | *** join/#debian ktwilight (n=ktwiligh@87.66.202.61) |
| 07:00.56 | eps_ | though lspci -v should make it very clear anyway |
| 07:03.49 | kexman | http://rafb.net/p/CqzkI476.html |
| 07:03.58 | kexman | eps_: ^^ its there what i want to find out info about |
| 07:07.42 | *** join/#debian prolix (n=user@c-76-28-238-157.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 07:07.59 | *** join/#debian jthomas_ (n=jthomas@nat.sierrabravo.net) |
| 07:08.34 | *** join/#debian jelly-home (n=jelly@islands.iskon.hr) |
| 07:08.54 | *** join/#debian rlc (n=rlc@213.48.184.160) |
| 07:09.26 | *** join/#debian NeoIce (i=neoice@om.nomnomnom.org) |
| 07:09.31 | *** join/#debian _|Nix|_ (n=nix@a91-152-160-19.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 07:09.41 | *** join/#debian ryg9I (n=pavel@195.10.218.67) |
| 07:09.49 | *** join/#debian mazzanet (n=mazzanet@fe1-1.mel-ii.bdr1.mazzanet.id.au) |
| 07:09.56 | *** join/#debian Ape3000 (n=ape@ape3000.com) |
| 07:09.57 | *** join/#debian |pUm| (n=|pUm|@Q72ca.q.strato-dslnet.de) |
| 07:10.09 | *** join/#debian pinnen (i=pinnen@h-44-58.A166.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 07:10.31 | kexman | eps_: still here ? |
| 07:11.10 | *** join/#debian lazyfrosch (n=markus@mf.odn.de) |
| 07:11.32 | *** join/#debian g0rd0n (n=Hal9000@p54ABEF32.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:12.00 | eps_ | I think so :P |
| 07:12.24 | kexman | eps_: can you take a look at this one too and maybe paste back with what is what ? : http://rafb.net/p/49kLbL66.html |
| 07:12.39 | eps_ | okay the string you have under subsystem is what you are after; first one 1028 is vendor number, and 0007 is device id |
| 07:13.08 | eps_ | what are you trying to do? |
| 07:13.17 | *** join/#debian floe (n=flo@e179003068.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 07:13.18 | kexman | pci subvender is 1028 ; and pci subsystem is 0007 ? |
| 07:13.27 | kexman | okay what about pci product ? which one is that ? |
| 07:13.40 | *** join/#debian midnightRmbler (n=j1soluti@adsl-235-7-139.clt.bellsouth.net) |
| 07:14.20 | eps_ | this is for your wireless card? |
| 07:14.33 | kexman | yep |
| 07:14.40 | *** join/#debian hoxu (i=vjtmMLst@a91-155-182-187.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 07:14.51 | eps_ | okay your wireless card is 14e4:4311 which is a broadcom 4311 chipset |
| 07:15.01 | *** join/#debian Aphy (n=Aphy@213.48.184.160) |
| 07:15.27 | eps_ | which you already know from '0b:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01)' |
| 07:15.33 | kexman | yes |
| 07:15.35 | eps_ | so what are you trying to find out? and why |
| 07:15.43 | kexman | http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43/devices |
| 07:15.46 | kexman | looking at that |
| 07:16.18 | eps_ | and you are trying to tell if your wireless card is supported under that list? |
| 07:17.09 | solagrace | hi, I just installed a new Chinese font on my debian with kde, now the iceweasel menu font looks huge! How does that happen, and what can be done about it? |
| 07:17.24 | *** join/#debian hackeron (n=hackeron@cpc2-seve4-0-0-cust53.popl.cable.ntl.com) |
| 07:17.41 | eps_ | view -> zoom -> reset under iceweasel |
| 07:17.42 | *** join/#debian ealdor (n=ealdor@117.Red-83-37-176.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 07:17.44 | *** join/#debian NXAdmin (n=username@dslb-088-078-011-036.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 07:18.35 | *** join/#debian mrrx (n=x1@85.17.93.16) |
| 07:19.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 813] by debhelper |
| 07:19.48 | *** join/#debian bfremon (n=ben@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-223-35.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 07:20.31 | *** join/#debian codynotes (n=codynote@rrcs-74-87-59-57.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 07:21.25 | kexman | eps_: thanx |
| 07:21.37 | solagrace | eps_: no, I mean the font of the menus not the web pages |
| 07:21.57 | solagrace | eps: I mean the font of the menus not the web pages |
| 07:22.34 | *** join/#debian chriswk (n=chriswk@cD9089959.inet.catch.no) |
| 07:22.39 | *** join/#debian Yvonne (n=Yvonne@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne) |
| 07:22.56 | *** join/#debian Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 07:22.59 | eps | solagrace, I'm not familiar with that problem sorry. is the font large in any other programs? |
| 07:23.31 | mhymn | solagrace: what is the kde version? |
| 07:26.35 | *** join/#debian Garda (n=Garda@58.175.100.61) |
| 07:28.06 | solagrace | eps: no, just in iceweasel |
| 07:28.19 | *** join/#debian XSoul (n=XRule@tooms.ddns.cablebg.net) |
| 07:28.20 | solagrace | mhymn: kde 3 |
| 07:28.24 | *** join/#debian erifri (n=erifri@c-84cee655.012-110-6f73641.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 07:28.40 | solagrace | mhymn: i didn't upgrade to kde 4 |
| 07:29.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 778] by debhelper |
| 07:29.08 | *** join/#debian Igneous (n=Igneous@unaffiliated/igneous) |
| 07:29.11 | solagrace | everything else looks fine, but iceweasel is deadly stubborn |
| 07:29.29 | *** join/#debian fl0w (n=fl0w@90-231-69-236-no61.business.telia.com) |
| 07:29.54 | *** join/#debian motin_0_ (n=motin@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) |
| 07:30.36 | mhymn | solagrace: what about other gtk apps? it may be a gtk problem not iceweasel |
| 07:31.08 | solagrace | mhymn: no. I have gnomesword installed, it works fine. |
| 07:31.40 | *** mode/#debian [+l 820] by irc.freenode.net |
| 07:31.40 | *** join/#debian shingouz (n=doowop@a85-156-192-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 07:31.40 | *** join/#debian xingu (n=xingu@host86-147-7-185.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) |
| 07:31.40 | *** join/#debian Cato9021 (n=naw@cm-84.215.70.89.getinternet.no) |
| 07:31.41 | *** join/#debian smaug1 (n=jwardlaw@rrcs-24-97-121-200.nys.biz.rr.com) |
| 07:31.41 | *** join/#debian N1ckR (n=nick@82-47-214-45.cable.ubr11.brad.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 07:31.41 | *** join/#debian wthww (n=wthww@cpe-24-160-211-77.ma.res.rr.com) |
| 07:31.41 | *** join/#debian bullgard4 (n=detlef@p5B259498.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:31.41 | *** join/#debian shital__ (n=shital@121.243.177.213) |
| 07:31.41 | *** join/#debian karrotx (n=steve@unaffiliated/karrotx) |
| 07:31.41 | *** join/#debian wols_ (i=klingens@p549DFCF3.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:31.41 | *** join/#debian maluco (n=thiago@dev.aware.com.br) |
| 07:31.41 | *** join/#debian tonyrad (n=tonyrad@pool-71-246-131-152.aubnin.fios.verizon.net) |
| 07:31.41 | *** join/#debian satchmo_ (n=louis@host81-158-64-69.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) |
| 07:31.41 | *** join/#debian SQLDb (i=sql@wikipedia/SQL) |
| 07:31.41 | *** join/#debian encKe (n=encke@65.67.227.177) |
| 07:31.41 | *** join/#debian billybongo (n=billybon@i-195-137-41-70.freedom2surf.net) |
| 07:31.41 | *** join/#debian noob-saibot (n=noob-sai@78.90.41.45) |
| 07:31.42 | *** join/#debian Df_Yz[ssh] (n=Df_Yz@92.112.228.108) |
| 07:31.42 | *** join/#debian luna1 (n=luna@81-208-74-179.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 07:31.42 | *** join/#debian assasukasse (n=assasuka@78.14.7.248) |
| 07:31.42 | *** join/#debian dasickis (n=dasickis@hindi.ccs.neu.edu) |
| 07:31.43 | *** join/#debian cyb3r3li0g (n=3li0@c-68-84-156-142.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) |
| 07:31.43 | *** join/#debian jkp (n=jkp@87-194-253-39.bethere.co.uk) |
| 07:31.43 | *** join/#debian efaistos_ (n=efaistos@87-194-68-123.bethere.co.uk) |
| 07:31.43 | *** join/#debian naiv (n=naiv@ip-195.net-89-3-79.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 07:31.43 | *** join/#debian dpkg (n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg) |
| 07:31.43 | *** join/#debian pgpkeys (i=pgpkeys@neuron.subneural.net) |
| 07:31.43 | *** join/#debian Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) |
| 07:31.43 | *** join/#debian mimcpher (n=mimcpher@nat/uwaterloo/x-28cd8be0ccc0c175) |
| 07:31.43 | *** join/#debian Neas (n=sad@figo.xzibition.com) |
| 07:31.43 | *** join/#debian fr33k (n=fvb@84-104-66-186.cable.quicknet.nl) |
| 07:31.43 | *** join/#debian BLarg (n=ic382@ambassador.kasick.org) |
| 07:31.43 | *** join/#debian sander__ (n=sander@062016180203.customer.alfanett.no) |
| 07:31.43 | *** join/#debian ez` (n=ez@c66.203.221-242.clta.globetrotter.net) |
| 07:31.55 | *** join/#debian ribasushi (n=rabbit@dslb-084-063-082-148.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 07:32.21 | solagrace | mhymn: so i guess it's iceweasel's problem. |
| 07:32.37 | *** part/#debian GomoX (n=gomo@OL55-187.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 07:33.14 | *** join/#debian peterrooney (n=peter@S0106001451193950.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 07:33.15 | *** join/#debian linuxmain (n=linuxmai@74.94.43.197) |
| 07:33.25 | *** join/#debian ryg9I (n=pavel@210-131-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net) |
| 07:33.48 | *** join/#debian OpenTokix (i=peter@0x2a.se) |
| 07:33.51 | *** join/#debian dsevil (i=dse@crow.webonastick.com) |
| 07:34.15 | craigevil | go to "View->Character Encoding" and make sure it is set to "Unicode (UTF-8) |
| 07:34.39 | *** join/#debian peope (i=peo@lw.peope.net) |
| 07:34.49 | *** join/#debian seanw_ (i=swhitton@freenode/staff/wikimedia.sean-whitton) |
| 07:34.49 | *** join/#debian seepgood (i=seepgood@place.gl) |
| 07:34.52 | *** join/#debian vlt (n=dm@suez.activ-job.com) |
| 07:35.08 | *** join/#debian p0g0__ (n=pogo@unaffiliated/p0g0) |
| 07:35.55 | *** join/#debian _saw (n=saw@unaffiliated/saw/x-485762) |
| 07:36.34 | *** join/#debian zink_ (n=GOTA@pc-110-112-86-200.cm.vtr.net) |
| 07:37.23 | *** join/#debian chomwitt_ (n=chomwitt@adsl4-52.ath.forthnet.gr) |
| 07:38.07 | *** join/#debian _Mojo_ (n=guest@coop.nr.euroweb.sk) |
| 07:40.23 | _Mojo_ | greetings for all |
| 07:41.17 | _Mojo_ | I have an issue of network card identification on 3.1 |
| 07:42.05 | *** join/#debian tgkjer (n=Keiichi@14.214.48.60.jb01-home.tm.net.my) |
| 07:42.10 | *** join/#debian YeTr2 (i=william@pool-72-91-143-49.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) |
| 07:42.22 | _Mojo_ | recently I raw copied already running 3.1 to another similar machine. however after boot my intel ethernet card is not recognized |
| 07:42.27 | *** join/#debian nonno (n=nonno@ppp-115-116.33-151.iol.it) |
| 07:42.45 | _Mojo_ | lspci shows unknown interface |
| 07:43.14 | *** join/#debian gypsym (n=coloriom@84.18.151.77) |
| 07:43.14 | _Mojo_ | is there any solution how to initialize the network card with correct kernel driver then ? |
| 07:43.16 | gypsym | hi |
| 07:43.32 | gypsym | there is a way to send a mail with the command mail with an attachment? |
| 07:43.50 | *** join/#debian binrapt (n=binrapt@dslb-088-073-101-148.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 07:45.39 | _Mojo_ | should I update pciids first and then try lspci to correctly identify my nic ? |
| 07:45.51 | *** join/#debian DavidVWallin (n=DavidVWa@mail.sandellsandberg.se) |
| 07:45.57 | *** join/#debian SilverBallz (n=hidden@35-12.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 07:46.03 | DavidVWallin | Hi, how do i change proftpd from being xinetd to standalone? |
| 07:46.38 | mhymn | gypsym: mutt |
| 07:46.39 | _Mojo_ | gypsym: no, with the plain "mail" command you'll not be able to attach anything |
| 07:47.15 | gypsym | mhymn: uhm I've to use it in a script it's possible to use mutt in batch mode? |
| 07:47.38 | mhymn | I don't know |
| 07:47.55 | *** join/#debian chewy (n=Stonedco@c-76-115-234-122.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 07:48.19 | _Mojo_ | DavidVWallin: read proftpd documentation, then try to use "ServerType standalone" option in /etc/proftpd.conf |
| 07:48.25 | et | in what kind of script? |
| 07:48.59 | gypsym | a bash script |
| 07:49.21 | gypsym | on a defined event I need to send a mail to an address with a tiff attachment |
| 07:49.31 | et | well, you could write a small ruby/python/perl script and call that |
| 07:49.43 | gypsym | I could write a python script , but just wondering if there was a shell command for that |
| 07:49.46 | gypsym | in fact et |
| 07:49.59 | gypsym | tanx anyway |
| 07:50.38 | *** join/#debian st_moto (n=st_moto@193.178.203.81) |
| 07:53.21 | *** join/#debian vinilios (n=k88@adsl77-101.ath.forthnet.gr) |
| 07:53.42 | prolix | gypsym: what kind of predefined event? |
| 07:53.57 | *** join/#debian why-phy (n=phy@75-130-179-202.dhcp.hlrg.nc.charter.com) |
| 07:54.28 | *** join/#debian mangezoutianya (n=user@219.237.229.206) |
| 07:55.24 | *** join/#debian visik7 (n=dksakd@unaffiliated/visik7) |
| 07:56.24 | *** join/#debian ordgfn (n=nonno@ppp-115-116.33-151.iol.it) |
| 07:56.57 | *** join/#debian surgeon (n=surgeon@ruede.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE) |
| 07:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 827] by debhelper |
| 07:59.01 | prolix | gypsym: whatever the event: man nc |
| 08:00.04 | *** join/#debian streuner_ (n=streuner@p54A5BE8B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:00.42 | *** join/#debian Lagbolt (n=jm@dhcp-68-232.physics.purdue.edu) |
| 08:04.01 | *** join/#debian ajonat (n=ajonat@190.48.120.246) |
| 08:05.02 | *** join/#debian harobed (n=harobed@pda57-1-82-231-115-1.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 08:05.31 | *** join/#debian sarefo (n=sarefo@213.83.32.130) |
| 08:05.40 | *** join/#debian christoz (n=chemical@ipa1.50.91.tellas.gr) |
| 08:06.16 | *** join/#debian EraSeR (i=reply@nat2.eranetas.com) |
| 08:08.15 | *** join/#debian jbasse (n=jbasse@ip-83-99-72-21.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu) |
| 08:08.55 | *** join/#debian sebn (n=seb@gambetta.sogilis.com) |
| 08:09.49 | *** join/#debian Asymmetry_ (i=jcoffman@ip72-198-38-131.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 08:10.21 | *** join/#debian Eulex (n=alex@81-237-247-113-no120.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 08:10.29 | *** join/#debian Tiffon (n=name@unaffiliated/tiff0n) |
| 08:10.30 | *** join/#debian hardnrg (n=roycable@203-217-80-119.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 08:10.46 | *** join/#debian peppe (n=peppe@unaffiliated/peppe) |
| 08:12.16 | Asymmetry | This is driving me mildly insane. The same configuration I've used since dirt was born for SSL under Apache2 is suddenly not working. |
| 08:13.25 | *** part/#debian woody1234 (n=wody@222.71.213.59) |
| 08:14.17 | Asymmetry | I shall... kill it... |
| 08:14.57 | *** join/#debian foka (n=foka@211.154.174.60) |
| 08:16.38 | *** join/#debian geogre (n=wody@222.71.213.59) |
| 08:16.45 | *** join/#debian tramjoe_merin (n=tramjoe@193.41.238.151) |
| 08:17.25 | *** join/#debian jazz (n=csegui@nat/ibm/x-d5f9506e76f3c53f) |
| 08:18.28 | *** part/#debian a (n=wody@222.71.213.59) |
| 08:18.37 | *** join/#debian a (n=wody@222.71.213.59) |
| 08:19.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 833] by debhelper |
| 08:20.01 | *** join/#debian chomwitt (n=chomwitt@adsl61-196.ath.forthnet.gr) |
| 08:20.19 | *** join/#debian V4Nelle (n=van@adsl6-9.lsf.forthnet.gr) |
| 08:21.07 | *** join/#debian nitrile (n=abalmer@82-69-7-217.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 08:21.10 | *** join/#debian streuner (n=streuner@p54A5BE8B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:22.14 | *** join/#debian SEcki (n=SEcki@e181095034.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 08:22.32 | a | Does anybody else know when will the debian lanny will release |
| 08:22.33 | *** join/#debian pbn (i=pbn@wopr.geekshells.org) |
| 08:23.39 | Somni | anybody -else-? |
| 08:23.59 | iamwoody | i am sorry i am poor in english |
| 08:24.28 | *** join/#debian Hoxzer (n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 08:24.49 | iamwoody | debian lanny stable |
| 08:25.07 | Somni | there is no announced date |
| 08:25.23 | Somni | lenny is unstable, etch is stable |
| 08:25.31 | jon_ | no, leny is not released yet (when it is, it will become the next stable) |
| 08:25.40 | OpenTokix | lenny is testing, sid is unstable etch is stable |
| 08:25.46 | OpenTokix | Somni: get your facts straight |
| 08:26.00 | Somni | yessuh massa |
| 08:26.06 | jon_ | yes, and I spell it as beny too :) |
| 08:26.31 | Asymmetry | Would someone like to take a look at my apache2 config and tell me where I'm screwing up, here? |
| 08:26.38 | Appiah | try pastebin |
| 08:26.44 | *** join/#debian ebi (n=ebi@gorn.ch) |
| 08:26.46 | Appiah | and sshow some errors |
| 08:26.51 | jon_ | you show me Jessica Alba, and I'll show you someone to get something straight between :) |
| 08:27.00 | iamwoody | oh thanks, i have a intel motherboard support fake raid ,but i have no driver for it |
| 08:27.13 | iamwoody | i have install debian etch |
| 08:27.18 | jon_ | do you want to run raid? |
| 08:27.21 | iamwoody | but it doesnt word |
| 08:27.23 | Asymmetry | That's just it, I can't get any specific errors. |
| 08:27.23 | iamwoody | work |
| 08:27.29 | ebi | Hi all. Due a HDD failure my server got restored but now a lot of permissions are broken. Can anyone tell me what user/group/permission a standard postfix/dovecot setup needs for ~/.maildir |
| 08:28.09 | Somni | iamwoody: if you want help getting it working you will need to provide more information; for example, the device you're trying to use, the kernel you are using, and what you've tried |
| 08:28.12 | OpenTokix | Debian unstable has another name to, Hardy Heron |
| 08:28.13 | iamwoody | so i choose FreeBSD instead |
| 08:28.25 | jon_ | when you say "it doesn't work" that brings up about five hundred million possibilities... or close to the number of particles in the universe... hence, saying "doesn't work" is not useful |
| 08:28.42 | OpenTokix | iamwoody: Just do a normal software raid and ignore the intel-stuff |
| 08:29.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 840] by debhelper |
| 08:29.23 | OpenTokix | ebi: just create a new dummy-user with mail-account etc. and look at thoose permissions - and replicate them |
| 08:29.52 | ebi | OpenTokix: Gah smart one should have tought of that myself :) Thanks |
| 08:29.54 | jon_ | iamwoody: so tell us: why doesn't it work? how doesn't it work? what were you expecting? what exactly did you get? what all have you tried? |
| 08:30.39 | iamwoody | ok i will give you more imformation |
| 08:30.59 | jon_ | OpenTokix: that would be ubuntu, which has less and less to do with debian as time goes on... |
| 08:31.17 | jon_ | iamwoody: ok, so you're going to give some information |
| 08:31.28 | OpenTokix | jon_: Unfortunally their users end up here with their craptastic questions. |
| 08:31.38 | OpenTokix | ebi: yw |
| 08:32.03 | iamwoody | Intel? Server Board SE7230NH1-E |
| 08:32.19 | jon_ | pretty soon, the only thing it will have in common is the package files end in .deb |
| 08:32.25 | jon_ | and then they'll change that |
| 08:32.30 | Asymmetry | jon_, it's basically there already |
| 08:32.59 | jon_ | do they take from unstable anymore? |
| 08:33.15 | jon_ | or are they fully independent? |
| 08:33.23 | iamwoody | i will use the command line dmidecode to show you more imformation |
| 08:33.42 | OpenTokix | jon_: they pull pretty much everything from the debian community and fuck it up |
| 08:33.45 | jon_ | iamwoody: one moment |
| 08:33.53 | jon_ | iamwoody: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 08:34.18 | iamwoody | i know i will give you the url |
| 08:34.24 | jon_ | ok |
| 08:34.54 | *** part/#debian ebi (n=ebi@gorn.ch) |
| 08:34.54 | *** join/#debian SEcki_ (n=SEcki@e181112228.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 08:35.03 | jon_ | do you already have an array defined? |
| 08:35.20 | *** join/#debian Zeit|awy_ (n=wurscht@p4FD8D8E6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:35.43 | *** join/#debian F6F (n=Tobias@p5B0D56C1.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:36.25 | *** join/#debian cloakable (n=cloakabl@host81-155-89-224.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) |
| 08:36.36 | Asymmetry | is a dumbass. |
| 08:36.56 | iamwoody | http://www.2poles.com/index.htm |
| 08:37.14 | iamwoody | the motherboard imformation |
| 08:37.21 | Somni | ew |
| 08:37.31 | *** join/#debian lbt (n=david@78.32.229.233) |
| 08:37.52 | *** join/#debian pramz (n=pramod@c-24-18-141-135.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 08:37.55 | Somni | .htm is a bad extension for plain text |
| 08:38.23 | iamwoody | as i know someone have develop the driver for redhat enterprise server ,centos and suse |
| 08:38.45 | iamwoody | it is binary file |
| 08:38.47 | *** join/#debian smica (n=smica@pool156-231.cable.tolna.net) |
| 08:38.56 | bolt-work | !start a distro war |
| 08:38.56 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 08:39.01 | bolt-work | :D |
| 08:39.13 | Somni | you don't typically need the distribute to support a specific kernel driver, what happens when you try to use it? |
| 08:39.14 | iamwoody | you need to write to a floppy |
| 08:39.20 | Somni | distribution, rather |
| 08:40.01 | iamwoody | RHEL 4 RHEL5 SLES9 SLES10 CENTOS4.* all have the driver |
| 08:40.14 | iamwoody | but debian has no driver |
| 08:40.19 | iamwoody | debian etch |
| 08:40.33 | iamwoody | i will show you the driver |
| 08:40.43 | Somni | packaged, no; that doesn't prevent you from installing the driver manually |
| 08:40.45 | *** join/#debian gate_keeper_ (n=gk@88.85.108.97) |
| 08:41.08 | iamwoody | i dont know why |
| 08:41.14 | iamwoody | i cant install |
| 08:41.28 | Somni | I don't either, what did you try? |
| 08:41.32 | cloakable | I have an nfs4 mount in /etc/fstab on auto, but it isn't mounting on startup anymore. Mounting it manuallt works though. Anyone have an idea? |
| 08:42.10 | *** join/#debian hihello (n=ewr23@202.104.177.177) |
| 08:42.45 | Somni | cloakable: does it mount when you run `mount -t nfs -a` yourself? |
| 08:42.47 | bolt-work | cloakable: check dmesg. probably your network isn't up yet or something |
| 08:43.10 | *** join/#debian Catoptromancy (n=cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) |
| 08:43.32 | *** join/#debian drizzd_ (n=drizzd@p549A67C4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:43.42 | iamwoody | i have try for main times |
| 08:44.04 | iamwoody | manually use the driver |
| 08:44.15 | iamwoody | but it doest work |
| 08:44.32 | Catoptromancy | I installed a program with a bunch of deps, now I removed program all its deps are still there. When I try to remove a single package it wants to take xorg with it. How do I just remove a single package and not other packages? |
| 08:45.16 | Catoptromancy | this computer cant even support gl, and xorg worked fine, removing gl drivers now make it want to remove xorg |
| 08:45.20 | cloakable | bolt-work: dmesg doesn't seem to say anything. Network comes up automatically using DHCP. Somni: Not sure. Would that match an nfs4 mount too? 'mount /home' works, though. |
| 08:45.36 | iamwoody | intel didnt give the dirver for linux and unix |
| 08:45.43 | Somni | Catoptromancy: if other packages depend on it, you don't; you might use deborphan or possibly aptitude to remove orphaned packages |
| 08:45.48 | *** join/#debian harpal (n=Harpal@122.169.108.195) |
| 08:45.57 | Catoptromancy | hm |
| 08:46.12 | Somni | cloakable: that is what the bootup scripts run; if it doesn't match an nfs4 mount, then that would probably explain your problem |
| 08:46.40 | cloakable | Somni: It seems to be a recent problem then :/ It mounted fine before! |
| 08:47.25 | Catoptromancy | = ( |
| 08:47.32 | Catoptromancy | aptitude says my xorg is broken |
| 08:47.33 | aptitude | Catoptromancy: okay |
| 08:48.03 | iamwoody | http://osdir.com/ml/linux.ataraid/2006-05/msg00002.html i use the fake raid 1(bios raid) |
| 08:48.33 | Somni | cloakable: then you're back to looking through your log files to see if any errors are reported; failing that, look to what changed |
| 08:49.41 | *** join/#debian zenit (i=whocarez@blazefire.danielbond.org) |
| 08:50.17 | cloakable | Somni: just checked /var/log/messages |
| 08:50.22 | cloakable | Somni: Sep 24 15:57:06 trancendence if-up.d/mountnfs[eth0]: if-up.d/mountnfs[eth0]: lock /var/run/network/mountnfs exist, not mounting |
| 08:50.28 | cloakable | that help? :P |
| 08:50.35 | *** join/#debian derchris^ (n=derchris@87-194-89-163.bethere.co.uk) |
| 08:51.18 | *** join/#debian orveldv (n=orveldv@86.121.192.147) |
| 08:51.36 | *** join/#debian gate_keeper__ (n=gk@88.85.108.97) |
| 08:51.59 | Somni | cloakable: possibly; is there a mountnfs currently running? |
| 08:52.01 | zenit | Is it correct that Xen is broken i etchnhalf? |
| 08:52.04 | zenit | in |
| 08:52.39 | orveldv | hey guys, I need the "tc" binary, which package provides it, any idea? |
| 08:52.52 | Somni | orveldv: packages.debian.org |
| 08:53.06 | orveldv | Somni: ok thanks |
| 08:53.31 | bolt-work | orveldv: or apt-file search for it |
| 08:53.43 | cloakable | Somni: no |
| 08:53.48 | OpenTokix | bolt-work: hehe |
| 08:54.28 | OpenTokix | iamwoody: a binary driver isnt a free driver now, is it? |
| 08:54.33 | Somni | cloakable: so what happens when you unmount the NFS mount, ifdown that interface, then bring it back up? |
| 08:55.02 | iamwoody | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#adaptec have a look at this website but i cant solve le problem |
| 08:55.31 | cloakable | Somni: my desktop stops responding :P |
| 08:55.31 | iamwoody | it is free for centos |
| 08:55.48 | iamwoody | the file is img file |
| 08:56.27 | iamwoody | we need to write to floppy and install as windows install raid we need press F6 |
| 08:56.48 | Somni | cloakable: and did it mount correctly? |
| 08:56.59 | iamwoody | and the load raid driver |
| 08:57.04 | *** join/#debian Dark_Titan (n=ghjj1@pool-68-239-34-6.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 08:57.06 | *** part/#debian Dark_Titan (n=ghjj1@pool-68-239-34-6.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 08:57.44 | *** join/#debian Sprengelmeyer (n=l@220-253-140-153.WA.netspace.net.au) |
| 08:57.51 | cloakable | Somni: umount: /home device is busy :P |
| 08:57.55 | *** join/#debian Dark_Titan (n=ghjj1@pool-68-239-34-6.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 08:58.07 | *** join/#debian ortix (i=blaat@j167028.upc-j.chello.nl) |
| 08:58.08 | *** join/#debian intr80__ (n=craig@c-76-21-105-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 08:58.11 | *** join/#debian prolix (n=user@c-76-28-238-157.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 08:58.11 | *** join/#debian redtape (n=redtape@skullbocks.xs4all.nl) |
| 08:58.26 | *** join/#debian CalebRipley (n=CalebRip@brsg-4dbb2ed8.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 08:58.31 | *** kick/#debian [Dark_Titan!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 08:58.34 | *** join/#debian ortix (i=blaat@j167028.upc-j.chello.nl) |
| 08:58.45 | *** join/#debian Mr_Deffy (n=Deffy@68-184-47-30.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) |
| 08:58.54 | joltcan | Dark_Titan wasn't very nice |
| 08:58.55 | *** join/#debian CalebRipley (n=CalebRip@brsg-4dbb2ed8.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 08:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 831] by debhelper |
| 08:59.22 | cloakable | botnet? |
| 08:59.30 | SpComb | a new variant of startke..ogger |
| 08:59.32 | joltcan | dcc spam at least |
| 08:59.43 | Somni | cloakable: you are going to need to test it to determine if the problem is transient at boot-up, or consistent |
| 08:59.46 | *** join/#debian Catoptromancy (n=cato@fl-71-2-132-137.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 09:00.03 | Xttor | "STARTKEYLOGGER" |
| 09:00.24 | cloakable | Xttor: indeed |
| 09:00.24 | saimonn | DCC SEND from Dark_Titan [0.0.0.0 port 0]: STOPSPY [0B bytes] requested in channel #debian |
| 09:00.57 | Xttor | I got several |
| 09:00.59 | Xttor | [10:58:28] [Freenode] DCC SEND from Dark_Titan [0.0.0.0 port 0]: STARTKEYLOGGER [0B bytes] requested in channel #debian |
| 09:01.01 | dimir | ye, what in the hell |
| 09:01.05 | dimir | Same here. |
| 09:01.09 | petemc | no need to paste them in the channel |
| 09:01.26 | Somni | he's exploited with some virus and trying to spread it, it's no big deal, he's gone now |
| 09:01.47 | cloakable | off the server, actually |
| 09:02.04 | bolt-work | starts a keylogger. just to be safe |
| 09:02.14 | SpComb | http://forums.unrealircd.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3092 <-- it's not a virus or an exploit, just a DOS against Norton... from 2006 |
| 09:02.25 | Xttor | bolt-work: To be safe? |
| 09:02.41 | bolt-work | Xttor: or somesuch |
| 09:03.10 | *** join/#debian redtape (n=redtape@skullbocks.xs4all.nl) |
| 09:03.12 | *** join/#debian prolix (n=user@c-76-28-238-157.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 09:04.01 | *** join/#debian slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) |
| 09:04.14 | Xttor | Wait, so just by saying the word people will get disconnected? |
| 09:04.28 | et | yes. |
| 09:04.36 | Xttor | Awesome ;) |
| 09:05.05 | iamwoody | ftp://ftp.supermicro.com/driver/Diskimag/Adaptec/ICH7R/ <- this is the ICH7R south bridge fake raid driver |
| 09:05.12 | iamwoody | not for debian |
| 09:05.16 | *** join/#debian GeorgeA (n=george@77.246.73.33) |
| 09:05.41 | *** join/#debian mag_mor (n=blob@p57A682EA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:05.52 | *** join/#debian ceil420 (n=ceil@68-191-209-182.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) |
| 09:05.52 | bolt-work | why do you want to run fake raid anyway? |
| 09:05.56 | bolt-work | just go with software |
| 09:06.02 | bolt-work | or get a real raid card |
| 09:06.53 | *** join/#debian jabba-1967 (n=JABBA@frnk-590ee7ac.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 09:08.08 | *** join/#debian lhz (n=shrekz@c-3143e455.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 09:08.24 | *** join/#debian HockeyInJune (i=HockeyIn@pool-70-107-172-82.ny325.east.verizon.net) |
| 09:08.57 | *** part/#debian Catoptromancy (n=cato@fl-71-2-132-137.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 09:09.05 | iamwoody | Because my boss want me to do that |
| 09:09.30 | bolt-work | don't. use software raid. it's basically the same. he wont notice |
| 09:09.37 | iamwoody | he said he doesnt like the software raid |
| 09:09.45 | bolt-work | fake raid is software raid |
| 09:09.50 | iamwoody | no |
| 09:10.18 | iamwoody | fake raid is between the software raid and hardware raid |
| 09:10.28 | iamwoody | i have test with FreeBSD |
| 09:10.37 | OpenTokix | iamwoody: Much like your boss is between stupid and braindead |
| 09:10.52 | jelly | !faekraid |
| 09:10.54 | jelly | !fakeraid |
| 09:10.54 | dpkg | methinks fakeraid is term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). see <sata faq> |
| 09:11.07 | bolt-work | iamwoody: fake raid is just the controller telling your system to use software raid. your cpu still does everything, much like in software raid |
| 09:11.08 | jon_ | fake raid is software raid |
| 09:11.30 | jelly | bolt-work: there are some that offer xor acceleration too |
| 09:11.33 | hifi | iamwoody: say to your boss you can get the software raid to work on any machine but the half-raid only works on the specific board |
| 09:12.03 | OpenTokix | hifi: also a VERY good point |
| 09:12.05 | bolt-work | jelly: oh joy |
| 09:12.25 | hifi | when the board gets fried you are left with a useless pack of disks |
| 09:12.30 | iamwoody | thanks guys it's a good idea |
| 09:13.23 | *** join/#debian chewy (n=Stonedco@c-76-115-234-122.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 09:13.35 | iamwoody | should we solve the problem so that other people can use it when installing |
| 09:13.58 | hifi | I almost got my software RAID working but IBM Deathstars didn't work too well ;) |
| 09:14.05 | *** join/#debian Necrobilly (n=zc@pool-71-113-37-181.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 09:14.32 | *** join/#debian {uX}l`VampyrCeil (n=ceil@68-191-209-182.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) |
| 09:14.33 | iamwoody | i know my boss said sometimes the software raid doest work well |
| 09:14.54 | Guerin | sopftware raid is pretty awesome |
| 09:14.59 | iamwoody | and you need you cost a lot of time to restore |
| 09:15.04 | *** join/#debian dv_ (n=dv@85-127-102-97.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 09:15.06 | {uX}l`VampyrCeil | what are the odds that just reinstalling lenny-64 would stop my shit from crashing? ;x |
| 09:15.06 | Guerin | you just need to not mistake it for a backup |
| 09:15.07 | chewy | I'm trying to get ruby on rails installed under debian etch, I've installed rails a few other apps through rubygems, and I can see they are located in the /var/lib/.../gems directory, but I can't find an actualy executable on the system |
| 09:15.17 | Guerin | yeah, it takes time to restore - but then, so does hardware raid |
| 09:15.21 | chewy | are they just installed to a weird location that is outside the normal path? |
| 09:15.27 | hifi | you still don't have hotswap |
| 09:15.39 | Guerin | you do if you use sata |
| 09:15.39 | wols_ | iamwoody: if you use hardware raid you need at _least_ 2 mobos in case the mobo breaks |
| 09:15.42 | *** join/#debian lataffe (n=lataffe@oslo-stud.nki.no) |
| 09:15.48 | Guerin | (presuming chipset support) |
| 09:15.58 | wols_ | cause when it does, you can't get your data unless you have the same raidchip again |
| 09:16.03 | *** join/#debian ortix (i=blaat@j167028.upc-j.chello.nl) |
| 09:16.09 | *** join/#debian HockeyInJune (i=HockeyIn@70.107.172.82) |
| 09:16.09 | *** join/#debian MFD (n=MFD@fny94-7-82-246-137-146.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 09:16.18 | *** join/#debian chewy (n=Stonedco@c-76-115-234-122.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 09:16.39 | hifi | Guerin: is that the case with the chipset mentionet above |
| 09:16.43 | jelly | wols_: maybe. Or maybe http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/SATA_RAID_FAQ |
| 09:16.45 | *** join/#debian Mr_Deffy (n=Deffy@68-184-47-30.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) |
| 09:16.46 | iamwoody | thanks to wols i have never heard about it |
| 09:16.56 | Guerin | hifi: i don't know details of specific chipsets - do your own homework :) |
| 09:17.04 | Xttor | Nice dcc from Necrobilly |
| 09:17.08 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 09:17.08 | *** part/#debian orveldv (n=orveldv@86.121.192.147) |
| 09:17.09 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@pool-71-113-37-181.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] by azeem |
| 09:17.09 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 09:17.35 | azeem | Necrobilly: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for a DCC attack. Afterwards, please explain why we should not ask for kline from network personell. |
| 09:17.42 | hifi | Guerin: was just interested, but is the support fake raid specific or will it work with full software raid also? |
| 09:18.15 | Guerin | hifi: in the general case, it should work. But You MUST check the details of the board you want to use. |
| 09:18.16 | jelly | azeem: I bet it's a repeat offender from some 15 minutes ago |
| 09:18.35 | azeem | or a copycat |
| 09:18.43 | jelly | --- [Dark_Titan] (n=ghjj1@pool-68-239-34-6.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 09:18.59 | azeem | that's not exactly the same IP, no? |
| 09:19.02 | chewy | anyone know where rubygems executables are placed once the gem has been installed on debian? |
| 09:19.07 | *** join/#debian tview (n=user@e177143061.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 09:19.15 | azeem | chewy: /usr/local/bin I thought |
| 09:19.16 | hifi | Guerin: so basically you could set up software raid with hotswap disks on SATA with a board that supports sata hotswap? |
| 09:19.17 | azeem | not sure though |
| 09:19.39 | Guerin | hifi: yep. |
| 09:20.06 | hifi | what about PCI expansion cards, do any of them support hotswap or does it need to be in the board BIOS? |
| 09:20.16 | hifi | mobo I mean |
| 09:20.21 | Guerin | hifi: no idea. |
| 09:20.26 | *** join/#debian Sprengelmeyer (n=l@220-253-140-153.WA.netspace.net.au) |
| 09:20.29 | jelly | chewy: whereever debian places $GEM_HOME under bin ... I _think_ it's somewhere in /var |
| 09:20.31 | hifi | I'll look it up, thanks for the info |
| 09:21.12 | Guerin | g'luck |
| 09:21.18 | *** join/#debian bfremon (n=ben@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-223-35.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 09:21.34 | chewy | wow... just found it, its under /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin |
| 09:21.56 | chewy | I guess that makes some sense, just pretty weird place to put it |
| 09:22.26 | iamwoody | www.2poles.com/d23185004_se7230nh1e_user_guide.pdf <- you cant get more imformation |
| 09:23.38 | iamwoody | i think some of you can solve the problem ,and send email to debian |
| 09:23.45 | *** join/#debian rchi (n=rchi@220-253-25-218.VIC.netspace.net.au) |
| 09:23.48 | *** join/#debian Lagbolt (n=jm@dhcp-68-232.physics.purdue.edu) |
| 09:23.58 | hifi | Guerin: it would be very in-expensive setup to have a few PCI expansion cards with 2 to 4 hotswappable SATA disks in a software RAID |
| 09:25.13 | *** join/#debian farabi (n=farabi@host-78-129-2-97.brutele.be) |
| 09:25.21 | *** join/#debian macbroadcast (n=macbroad@marxbook.stattfernsehen.com) |
| 09:25.57 | iamwoody | we have the img file for centos suse and redhat why not have it for debian |
| 09:26.10 | *** join/#debian jiop (i=MO@82.128.35.106) |
| 09:26.32 | *** join/#debian xittum_ (n=tom@port617.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 09:26.57 | aidehua | When mounting a USB disk, can I ask the kernel to ignore the 'write protect' on the disk? |
| 09:27.17 | jelly | hifi: you'd also need a hotswap enabled case |
| 09:27.22 | Guerin | iamwoody: because of the reason. |
| 09:27.25 | *** join/#debian mikearthur (n=mike@93-97-179-46.zone5.bethere.co.uk) |
| 09:27.38 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 09:27.39 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@pool-71-113-37-181.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] by azeem |
| 09:27.39 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 09:27.56 | *** join/#debian grub (n=grub@last.fm/user/grub) |
| 09:28.02 | Somni | iamwoody: if it's just a kernel driver, you have a perfectly workable solution |
| 09:28.28 | hifi | jelly: but it's not "required" :) |
| 09:28.41 | jelly | hifi: yes it is? |
| 09:28.48 | *** join/#debian tramjoe_merin (n=tramjoe@193.41.238.151) |
| 09:28.52 | jelly | hifi: well, unless you don't care about hardware |
| 09:29.58 | *** join/#debian UT2K3 (n=UT2K3@HSI-KBW-078-042-024-224.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 09:31.18 | hifi | jelly: but they do of course sell the 3.5" mounts that can be installed in any case |
| 09:31.34 | *** join/#debian blijblijblij (n=rogier@blijblijblij.xs4all.nl) |
| 09:32.20 | iamwoody | can't it built-in kernel? |
| 09:32.33 | jelly | iamwoody: what? |
| 09:33.33 | iamwoody | the img file is built-in kernel ? |
| 09:33.38 | *** join/#debian egypcio (n=korn@unaffiliated/egypcio) |
| 09:34.15 | *** part/#debian macbroadcast (n=macbroad@marxbook.stattfernsehen.com) |
| 09:34.56 | Somni | that makes no sense |
| 09:35.11 | beardy | Wasn't that fucker k-lined? |
| 09:35.42 | Guerin | iamwoody: what's your native language? |
| 09:36.28 | iamwoody | chinese ,i am sorry ,my english is poor |
| 09:36.48 | Guerin | !cn |
| 09:36.48 | dpkg | methinks cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 09:37.24 | Guerin | you can try in here - I don't know how busy the zh channel is - but be patient. |
| 09:37.30 | Guerin | also, your question makes no sense |
| 09:37.51 | iamwoody | the character is not chinese ,may be you have a encoding wrong |
| 09:38.15 | Guerin | utf-8 loves you |
| 09:38.53 | iamwoody | i prefer utf8 |
| 09:39.32 | *** join/#debian tophyr (n=tophyr@pool-98-111-83-155.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net) |
| 09:39.55 | beardy | iamwoody: What img file? |
| 09:39.55 | iamwoody | when we develop website we use utf8 encode |
| 09:40.06 | iamwoody | floppy img |
| 09:40.20 | iamwoody | ftp://ftp.supermicro.com/driver/Diskimag/Adaptec/ICH7R/ |
| 09:40.24 | iamwoody | the ftp |
| 09:40.49 | iamwoody | this is my first time take part in irc |
| 09:41.03 | *** join/#debian hihello (n=ewr23@202.104.177.177) |
| 09:41.26 | iamwoody | thanks for help me |
| 09:41.43 | *** join/#debian e1z0 (n=null@84.32.74.241) |
| 09:42.29 | jelly | iamwoody: those images are rather old and probably provide binary drivers |
| 09:43.52 | iamwoody | jelly: i have test when install , i type linux dd |
| 09:44.07 | iamwoody | but it does't work |
| 09:44.09 | *** join/#debian OxaD (n=Sa-OwneR@sd-4122.dedibox.fr) |
| 09:44.15 | jelly | iamwoody: what doesn't work? |
| 09:44.24 | jelly | !errors |
| 09:44.24 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors, or - ask me about <localized errors> too |
| 09:44.44 | iamwoody | cant find the harddisk |
| 09:45.34 | *** join/#debian Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) |
| 09:45.42 | beardy | jelly: His raid controller as far as I gather. |
| 09:46.56 | jelly | iamwoody: I can only strongly suggest you don't use ICH7R's RAID features, but put it in native mode and use linux md softraid instead |
| 09:47.26 | OpenTokix | still discussing this |
| 09:47.32 | bolt-work | ... |
| 09:47.37 | bolt-work | go software already. fake raid sux |
| 09:47.40 | jelly | iamwoody: http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/SATA_RAID_FAQ |
| 09:47.58 | iamwoody | thanks jelly |
| 09:48.19 | iamwoody | i will have a try with software raid |
| 09:48.44 | iamwoody | thans bolt-work too |
| 09:48.49 | *** join/#debian lazyfrosch (n=markus@mf.odn.de) |
| 09:49.17 | iamwoody | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.38 | bolt-work | make sure you kill your boss afterwards |
| 09:50.02 | joltcan | fake raid suxx extra much if you ever change the motherboard |
| 09:50.24 | OpenTokix | iamwoody: wow! only took like seven hours for you to realise that. |
| 09:50.46 | jon_ | OpenTokix: we all had to start somewhere :P |
| 09:51.13 | *** join/#debian izibi (n=izibi@nrbg-4dbe1a59.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 09:51.23 | OpenTokix | jon_: I guess |
| 09:51.29 | beardy | The ones advicing now were obviously better than those 7 hours ago, then. |
| 09:51.32 | OpenTokix | jon_: One down, five million to go |
| 09:51.33 | *** join/#debian peck_ (i=bpeccatt@dedibox.ebzao.info) |
| 09:51.48 | OpenTokix | beardy: They said the exact same thing, over and over |
| 09:52.01 | OpenTokix | "Don't use fake raid, use software raid" |
| 09:52.13 | OpenTokix | Like listening to a catholic priest doing ave marias |
| 09:52.35 | *** join/#debian spitfirekdv (n=spitfire@91.193.166.218) |
| 09:54.24 | *** join/#debian Hoxzer (n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 09:54.25 | bolt-work | The Hitman games destroyed that tune. Before, it was just something christian. Now it makes me want to grab dual pistols and shoot someone. |
| 09:54.29 | *** part/#debian spitfirekdv (n=spitfire@91.193.166.218) |
| 09:54.35 | peck_ | like listening to young parents "don't put your fingers in the socket" |
| 09:54.36 | *** join/#debian tview (n=user@e177143061.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 09:55.02 | *** join/#debian ast_leo (n=levent@ns1.valens.com.tr) |
| 09:55.07 | bolt-work | aaaaaaaveee mariiiiiiii *BANG!* |
| 09:55.54 | OpenTokix | lunch |
| 09:56.16 | jon_ | OpenTokix: debian is definitely much easier to install than it used to be... other than that (from the root/maintaining perspective) some parts are pretty easy, others are -really- hard to understand |
| 09:56.22 | *** join/#debian ast_leo (n=levent@ns1.valens.com.tr) |
| 09:56.27 | _Mojo_ | greetings for all |
| 09:56.27 | _Mojo_ | I have an issue of network card identification on 3.1 |
| 09:56.28 | _Mojo_ | recently I raw copied already running 3.1 to another similar machine. however after boot my intel ethernet card is not recognized |
| 09:56.28 | _Mojo_ | lspci shows unknown interface |
| 09:56.28 | *** kick/#debian [_Mojo_!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 09:56.32 | *** join/#debian Kovensky (n=kovensky@189.12.252.218) |
| 09:56.40 | *** join/#debian _Mojo_ (n=guest@coop.nr.euroweb.sk) |
| 09:57.40 | *** join/#debian jiop (i=MO@82.128.35.153) |
| 09:57.40 | *** join/#debian asd_leooo (n=levent@ns1.valens.com.tr) |
| 09:58.02 | peck_ | _Mojo_: you may need a more recent kernel |
| 09:58.30 | _Mojo_ | is there any solution how to initialize the network card with correct kernel driver ? |
| 09:58.40 | *** part/#debian ast_leo (n=levent@ns1.valens.com.tr) |
| 09:58.52 | bolt-work | _Mojo_: newer kernel? |
| 09:59.01 | _Mojo_ | or should I first update pci ids in order to correctly recognize the network with lspci ? |
| 09:59.09 | *** join/#debian ceil420 (n=ceil@68-191-209-182.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) |
| 09:59.44 | _Mojo_ | the network card is integrated on a few years old intel mainboard, I assume there is only a conflict with pci ids |
| 09:59.46 | streuner | thats not a bad idea in generell |
| 10:00.04 | jon_ | _Mojo_: first you need to find out what driver |
| 10:00.09 | streuner | shouldnt hurd |
| 10:00.17 | streuner | !hcl |
| 10:00.17 | dpkg | hcl is, like, at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 10:00.25 | _Mojo_ | jon_: how do i find it out ? |
| 10:00.40 | _Mojo_ | dpkg: thank you for links |
| 10:00.40 | dpkg | _Mojo_: bitte |
| 10:00.49 | *** join/#debian biopyte (n=kiwi@80.187.145.213) |
| 10:00.55 | streuner | use kmuto's URL |
| 10:01.02 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 10:01.02 | dpkg | I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
| 10:01.19 | wols_ | _Mojo_: if a pci id is unknown, chances are you need a new kernel,get a etchnhalf one |
| 10:01.22 | bolt-work | AN infobot |
| 10:01.27 | bolt-work | gah |
| 10:01.31 | *** join/#debian Kbyte (n=kvirc@host149-49-static.29-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 10:01.37 | *** join/#debian tview (n=user@e177143061.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 10:01.41 | *** join/#debian MaliutaLap (n=nikolai@kiev.lusan.id.au) |
| 10:01.46 | *** join/#debian reZo (n=reZo@202-180-104-105.jetbuster.co.nz) |
| 10:01.53 | _Mojo_ | wols_: will that kernel work with my 3.1 installation ? |
| 10:01.57 | peck_ | bolt-work: yes many of us are infobots here |
| 10:02.15 | jon_ | 3.1, what is that, potato? |
| 10:02.16 | streuner | _Mojo_: prolly a nightmare ;-) |
| 10:02.17 | bolt-work | peck_: ? |
| 10:02.18 | wols_ | _Mojo_: 3.1 is totally unsupported by now. upgrade to etch |
| 10:02.20 | streuner | sarge |
| 10:02.26 | streuner | !sarge |
| 10:02.26 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 03/31/2008. Sarge users should upgrade to etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. See also <oldstable>. |
| 10:03.02 | streuner | so, follow wols_'s advice... |
| 10:03.08 | _Mojo_ | wols_: i know that, that is why I am doing a raw copy of an old server to test the upgrade. |
| 10:03.22 | biopyte | folks, upgraded recently to iceweasel 3.01. scrolling pages is not as smooth it used to be and became very annoying. i checked the smooth scrolling option, didnt help. any idea? |
| 10:03.30 | biopyte | lenny |
| 10:04.15 | streuner | !start a (modern) browser discussion |
| 10:04.19 | *** join/#debian testi (n=testi@84-72-124-67.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 10:04.27 | streuner | ;-) |
| 10:05.28 | bolt-work | biopyte: that sounds very not debian related and very much like someone changed something in the iceweasel code |
| 10:06.17 | *** join/#debian earthian (n=earthian@host86-139-78-138.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) |
| 10:06.39 | biopyte | ok |
| 10:06.49 | earthian | hello, for debian lenny what wine repo i should select: the ubuntu 8.x or debian etch? |
| 10:06.51 | _Mojo_ | wols_: i would upgrade a long time ago but beeing very carefull about the upgrade process on a stable server |
| 10:07.33 | *** join/#debian mirco (n=mirco@pd95b6029.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:07.45 | _Mojo_ | wols_: that is why I raw copied the stable system to another box, but the new one does not recognize the network card |
| 10:08.04 | jon_ | _Mojo_: how far are you physically from the server? |
| 10:08.10 | peck_ | the thing that may not work with a new kernel is devfs if you use it |
| 10:08.16 | _Mojo_ | jon_: directly |
| 10:08.17 | *** join/#debian _Rubyxx (n=chiedu@80-44-189-200.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 10:08.21 | jon_ | in feet, miles. parsecs, etc,,,/ |
| 10:08.24 | earthian | _Mojo_, i believe a stable upgrade should be as stable as possible and also i believe that upgrades in stable usually fix things and not break them (plz correct if i am wrong) |
| 10:08.36 | *** join/#debian Mirthas (n=greenthu@p508DE28F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:08.37 | peck_ | otherwise, kernel are pretty compatible |
| 10:08.55 | jon_ | so you presently have physical access to the box which is this server |
| 10:09.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 843] by debhelper |
| 10:09.11 | jon_ | ok, how many people (approx) does it serve? |
| 10:09.14 | kexman | could anyone help me with wpa_supplicant ? |
| 10:09.35 | _Mojo_ | earthian: a few people here told me that things might get complicated while upgrading if the stable 3.1 is full of critical apps |
| 10:09.51 | earthian | oh its 3.1 even :) |
| 10:09.55 | earthian | kk nvm then |
| 10:10.05 | *** join/#debian Greyhound (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) |
| 10:10.05 | whizz | kexman: perhaps |
| 10:10.08 | earthian | i was talking mainly about the "apt-get upgrade" :) |
| 10:10.24 | _Mojo_ | jon_: i am sitting directly at the server, physically. |
| 10:10.27 | jon_ | !codenames |
| 10:10.27 | dpkg | codenames is probably buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0) lenny=Testing sid=Unsable or see <tsc_codenames> for those of the technical support crews |
| 10:10.28 | earthian | and not the distribution upgrade |
| 10:10.53 | _Mojo_ | jon_: hundred mailboxes + other ftp stuff |
| 10:11.07 | jon_ | _Mojo_: then I understand your caution. |
| 10:11.07 | earthian | !wine |
| 10:11.07 | dpkg | it has been said that wine is packaged in the 'wine' package. http://www.winehq.com/, #winehq (irc.freenode.net). Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A not so buggy anymore alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 10:11.32 | kexman | whizz: |
| 10:11.52 | kexman | well im tyring to connect to a nonbroadcasting ap (nossidbcast) and i cant |
| 10:12.43 | biopyte | i'd like to dig in music production connecting my keyboard via the midi interface. just started rosegarde for the first time. complains 'system timer resolution is too low ... blablabla'. just to make clear, can i do reasonable midi work a on core2duo 2x2GHz, 2 GB RAM, 5400 hdd system? or will i have a very time to tweak the whole system? |
| 10:12.50 | cheekee | I have a USB drive that automounts when plugged in but unmounts itself after a few minutes. What do I do to stay mounted? |
| 10:13.26 | _Mojo_ | so is there any solution other than fresh install and manually update all the stuff ? |
| 10:13.47 | whizz | kexman: what exactly did you try, and what fails? |
| 10:13.56 | whizz | kexman: brb |
| 10:13.57 | biopyte | i read that system latency and stuff is a major issue. do i have to build a custom kernel/ |
| 10:14.02 | biopyte | ? |
| 10:14.10 | wols_ | !tell _Mojo_ about sarge->etch |
| 10:14.27 | *** join/#debian handryonee (n=handryon@ns1.valens.com.tr) |
| 10:14.41 | earthian | what is better for debian lenny a ubuntu 8.04 or debian etch repository of WINE? |
| 10:14.57 | wols_ | earthian: a debian one of course |
| 10:15.06 | bolt-work | cheekee: what's automounting it? |
| 10:15.28 | *** join/#debian Rasmus` (n=Rasmus@77.233.225.89) |
| 10:15.59 | kexman | whizz: http://rafb.net/p/NyCS7Y41.html this is my wpa_supplicant.conf file and it doesnt wants to connect at all to that. when the SSID is not broadcasted |
| 10:16.06 | wols_ | _Mojo_: you need a backup in any way, no matter what |
| 10:16.14 | _Mojo_ | wols_: I did that already |
| 10:16.43 | earthian | wols_, thanks.. :) |
| 10:16.44 | _Mojo_ | wols_: and wanted to do an upgrade according to faqs and release notes of course |
| 10:18.03 | jon_ | _Mojo_: I like your idea from before |
| 10:18.09 | _Mojo_ | wols_: I will not do an upgrade process on a stable box in any way ... |
| 10:18.13 | _Mojo_ | jon_: pciids ? |
| 10:18.19 | jon_ | copy the server to another machine, upgrade that, see what you have |
| 10:18.47 | _Mojo_ | jon_: i would but the network card is not recognized, thats is tha main reason I started this discussion |
| 10:19.15 | cheekee | bolt-work: It just shows up on the desktop, and I can vie the files with Konqueror. After a few minutes its not available. Can't find it n /dev or under /etc/fstab . Just gone. |
| 10:19.22 | *** part/#debian mangezoutianya (n=user@219.237.229.206) |
| 10:19.22 | chewy | so I have to say, debian has always been my favorite linux distro, but debian's handling of ruby and related packages really disappoints me |
| 10:19.36 | *** join/#debian MaliutaLap (n=nikolai@kiev.lusan.id.au) |
| 10:21.23 | *** join/#debian farabi (n=farabi@host-78-129-2-97.brutele.be) |
| 10:21.23 | petemc | chewy: how so? |
| 10:21.30 | farabi | Hello |
| 10:22.32 | farabi | Does kdenlive run on debian? It crashes on some others distros? It seems a problem with API changes in ffmpeg. |
| 10:23.05 | chewy | ruby package management is pretty severely broken if you try and use anything outside of the base ruby, such as rubygems or rails |
| 10:23.12 | *** join/#debian fukas (n=fukazzz@78.31.183.42) |
| 10:23.16 | wols_ | _Mojo_: pci id update won't help you with the NIC |
| 10:24.09 | chewy | for instance, you can install rubygems from apt, then install rails through rubygems, but then rails itself can't run because the version of rubygems from apt is too old to actually work with the latest version of rails pulled through rubygems |
| 10:24.19 | petemc | chewy: ruby gems is its own kind of package management tho |
| 10:25.29 | petemc | chewy: i think if you're going to be disappointed with anyone, it should be the ruby gems people |
| 10:25.39 | Somni | there's nothing debian can do about your using software that's more recent and doesn't work with your older packages |
| 10:26.02 | _Mojo_ | wols_: ok, then it's time for the fresh install |
| 10:26.24 | Somni | if you need packages that are more recent you will have to upgrade to testing, find a package in backports, or build a newer one yourself |
| 10:26.38 | chewy | definitely, ruby gems having package management introduces a lot of issues with keeping it working with a stable distro, but that doesn't mean that it isn't broken |
| 10:27.00 | petemc | chewy: what solution are you proposing?> |
| 10:27.52 | *** join/#debian Holborn (n=holborn@unaffiliated/holborn) |
| 10:27.57 | chewy | I'm not entirely sure, because to be honest I don't know if there is a solution that would work well with both cases, it almost seems that rubygems needs to be removed the repo until a way is found to integrate properly with debian's package management |
| 10:28.17 | petemc | chewy: so what exactly are you disappointed about? |
| 10:29.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 831] by debhelper |
| 10:29.18 | chewy | I'm disappointed that I've spent several hours watching a normally streamlined install get broken in numerous places forcing me to start over and rethink my install setup from the approach of not using package management for any of my actual server components |
| 10:30.57 | chewy | although, apparently using apt to install ruby1.8-dev along with ruby1.8 gets most enough of standard ruby installed that you won't run into any random gems missing libraries, rubygems itself needs to be compiled from source to be used as the software installed through gems is not compatible with the version of gems installing it |
| 10:31.02 | *** join/#debian hatter (n=hatter@193.25.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 10:31.40 | mhymn | chewy: i'd suggest you discussing this on debian ruby mailing list, http://lists.debian.org/debian-ruby/ |
| 10:31.55 | Somni | Haskell's cabal-install, Perl's CPAN.pm (to some degree) both have the same problem; it's simply something you have to deal with when attempting to use an older Debian with a separate package manager |
| 10:32.03 | hatter | i cant se why i am getting this : clamd: unable to connect to UNIX socket /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl (Connection refused |
| 10:32.06 | *** join/#debian Jurkki (n=jukka@dsl-hmlbrasgw1-ff05c100-213.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 10:33.28 | petemc | Somni: i think someone just wants to get something off their chest |
| 10:33.34 | *** join/#debian victorjsp (n=vjspnu@189.71.136.11) |
| 10:34.27 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-350748.home.otenet.gr) |
| 10:34.57 | chewy | yeah petemc is right, I mean I could take this to the debian ruby list, but I'm sure this topic has been beaten to death their also and they've reached the same stalemate conclusion of thats what happens when you have two separate package management tools working in the same space |
| 10:36.00 | petemc | the best environment for rails stuff, imho, is one where someone else is looking after the hosting |
| 10:36.05 | petemc | its a pita |
| 10:36.09 | chewy | I'm just frustrurated because I was hoping to have a fully working server tonight and instead I'm going to bed here in a few minutes and I'm going to rebuild my xen instance tomorrow and go with a mostly full source install |
| 10:36.26 | chewy | hahaha I am the guy looking after the hosting |
| 10:36.26 | *** join/#debian ryg9I (n=pavel@195.10.218.67) |
| 10:36.37 | petemc | ive been that guy, it sucketh mightily |
| 10:36.59 | *** join/#debian Olivier` (n=Olivier@85-170-73-19.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 10:37.28 | chewy | I'm trying to make one move of switching over new development to rails while significantly increasing performance of existing servers by switching over to a xen based nginx reverse proxy cluster with some sort of caching running up front |
| 10:37.28 | *** join/#debian blizzkid (n=martijn@212-123-1-140.iFiber.telenet-ops.be) |
| 10:37.47 | Somni | pulling a package from testing, fiddling with the depends and build-depends in the control file, and building from there usually works |
| 10:37.52 | *** join/#debian tview (n=user@e177143061.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 10:37.57 | Somni | I'm having to do that with ghc6 now |
| 10:38.49 | chewy | Somni: I'll play around with that tomorrow and see if that helps simplify things |
| 10:38.54 | blizzkid | I'm running Etch with postfix and mailman with virtual domains, but when I send a mail to a list, I get a "user unknown", so I guess I refer to /var/lib/mailman/aliases and /var/lib/mailman/virtual-mailman in the wrong place in /etc/mailman/main.cf. Where should these be in Etch? |
| 10:39.52 | *** join/#debian Jurkki (n=jukka@88.193.5.213) |
| 10:40.00 | *** join/#debian sioraioc_ (n=sioraioc@worc-student-nat.worc.ox.ac.uk) |
| 10:40.50 | chewy | oh lol |
| 10:40.55 | chewy | one more thing I ran into |
| 10:41.11 | *** join/#debian phorce1 (n=gvl2@adsl-99-135-253-142.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 10:41.50 | *** join/#debian Crypticfortune (n=Crypticf@gw.dna.bio.keio.ac.jp) |
| 10:42.07 | chewy | so I setup a xen vm with 128 mb of memory and 128 of swap to get a test mongrel_cluster running in their, and before I even attempted to install mongrel_cluster through gems, I did gem update |
| 10:42.30 | luna1 | hi, what's the way to install sid directly ? i've try with a netinstall, but if i select expert install, the installer won't find the network card |
| 10:42.33 | chewy | and lol... it completely buckled the vm to the point that it used all available memory and was eventually killed |
| 10:42.48 | chewy | and, this was before I had even installed a gem |
| 10:43.02 | Crypticfortune | Ok, I'm thoroughly confused by this NFS problem (see http://rafb.net/p/Dbukd477.html ) It's like it's squashing all users to anonymous, even though I have "no_root_squash" set. and yet I can still use sudo to delete things...any ideas? |
| 10:43.06 | chewy | btw, base mem usage for this vm was about 20/128 mb with 0/128 mb of swap |
| 10:43.28 | *** join/#debian zimnyx (i=foobar@ip-219-8.ists.pl) |
| 10:43.37 | chewy | I had to bump the vm memory up to 256mb just to run rubygems update |
| 10:43.57 | *** join/#debian h3king (i=jerry@123.175.11.130) |
| 10:44.09 | *** join/#debian phorce1 (n=gvl2@adsl-99-135-253-142.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 10:44.24 | *** join/#debian jeanne (n=df@89.233.175.62) |
| 10:44.26 | zimnyx | apt-cache policy postgresql-8.3 says that two versions are available: 8.3.3 and 8.3.1. The newer is installed by default, how can I install older 8.3.1 ? apt-get switch -t '8.3.1' installs 8.3.3 too... |
| 10:44.42 | *** join/#debian fvwmnet (n=sdfpme@121.13.174.192) |
| 10:45.13 | *** join/#debian sarefo2 (n=sarefo@dslb-092-073-086-248.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 10:45.33 | chewy | which I thought was a little interesting when running an update that had no installed gems to update, and this happened after I installed a couple hundred megs of downloaded software from apt |
| 10:46.01 | *** join/#debian flower (n=d@cc955125-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) |
| 10:46.15 | phorce1 | What is the command to find out what libraries an executable is using? I've been fiddling with installing mplayer, kaffeine, and mythtv to play with my dvb-s card and now vlc doesn't display the video when playing a .avi file. Mpegs play fine. |
| 10:46.38 | *** join/#debian Suprano (n=anonym00@p54916EAE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:46.39 | chewy | just thought I would throw that out there that ruby has some serious issues to and I'm not just trying to talk down on debian |
| 10:47.01 | chewy | anyways, thanks for the helpful tips and for listening to my rants |
| 10:47.07 | chewy | but I'm gonna call it a night |
| 10:47.12 | phorce1 | This happened once before on another system but I didn't correlate the myth/mplayer/kaffeine installs with vlc breaking |
| 10:47.44 | *** join/#debian Kovensky_ (n=kovensky@189.81.255.207) |
| 10:48.08 | mhymn | phorce1: dpkg -S 'command' |
| 10:48.21 | zimnyx | phobie: ldd for c libraries. |
| 10:49.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 841] by debhelper |
| 10:49.56 | *** part/#debian _Mojo_ (n=guest@coop.nr.euroweb.sk) |
| 10:50.11 | phorce1 | Thanks now I need to check the mdate on a BUNCH of files to see what's new since last night when vlc was working <sigh> |
| 10:50.47 | *** join/#debian tview (n=user@e177143061.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 10:51.44 | *** join/#debian simNIX (n=simNIX@82-204-21-111.dsl.bbeyond.nl) |
| 10:52.15 | *** join/#debian si0ux (n=si0ux@201-048-208-161.static.ctbctelecom.com.br) |
| 10:54.30 | *** join/#debian mokka (n=dum@byrt-4dbf12ed.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 10:58.35 | *** part/#debian whizz (n=whizz@s5591923b.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 11:01.32 | *** join/#debian Crypticfortune (n=Crypticf@gw.dna.bio.keio.ac.jp) |
| 11:02.30 | *** join/#debian Ab3l (n=Ab3l@host186-50-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 11:03.08 | Ab3l | hi how i let a script be respawned everytime ppp connection is established? |
| 11:03.50 | wols_ | Ab3l: /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ |
| 11:04.12 | Ab3l | just to place there ? |
| 11:05.23 | *** join/#debian subir (i=subir@124.41.242.223) |
| 11:05.44 | *** join/#debian WDC_ (n=dlemcoe@unaffiliated/wdc) |
| 11:05.45 | WDC_ | Heyhey |
| 11:06.19 | WDC_ | I JUST installed Debain on a box that had Ubuntu. Problem is, I can't get online with it. "Network is unreachable" is the error, and the Ubuntu box got on just fine before |
| 11:07.22 | wols_ | WDC_: what network card? |
| 11:07.39 | WDC_ | wols_: SOme OEM dell card |
| 11:07.46 | WDC_ | IS there something I can run to find out? |
| 11:08.13 | Crypticfortune | WDC_: lspci? |
| 11:08.34 | *** join/#debian h3king (i=jerry@123.175.11.130) |
| 11:08.47 | WDC_ | Crypticfortune: No idea |
| 11:08.51 | WDC_ | Crypticfortune: hold on |
| 11:09.01 | *** part/#debian Kimloc (n=none@red.unix-ag.uni-hannover.de) |
| 11:09.14 | WDC_ | Davicom Semiconductor |
| 11:09.18 | Crypticfortune | WDC_: i mean that's a thing you can run that might tell you ;) also maybe hwinfo |
| 11:09.19 | WDC_ | I g2g. Sorry I had to ask. bbl |
| 11:09.24 | WDC_ | Crypticfortune: No i know |
| 11:09.26 | WDC_ | SORRY! bye |
| 11:10.22 | jon_ | I had the distinct impression the driver was there... |
| 11:10.55 | Crypticfortune | this NFS problem is driving me nuts...any ideas? please? http://rafb.net/p/Dbukd477.html |
| 11:12.07 | *** join/#debian st_moto (n=st_moto@193.178.203.81) |
| 11:13.24 | *** join/#debian denken (n=denken@rhea.pixelchaos.net) |
| 11:13.34 | *** join/#debian Alver (n=alver@guifications/developer/alver) |
| 11:13.39 | *** join/#debian V4Nelle (n=van@adsl6-9.lsf.forthnet.gr) |
| 11:13.52 | Alver | Hello. I've noticed that kpowersave in sid doesn't do suspend-to-* unless I'm root. |
| 11:13.53 | *** join/#debian zigong (n=weechat@cogitateurs-agitateurs/zigong) |
| 11:14.07 | Crypticfortune | grumbles and decides to try rebooting his machine... |
| 11:14.14 | Alver | I've checked bug reports and there's a mention of a powerdev group I should be added to |
| 11:14.35 | Alver | I did this, but no change. Is there anything else I should be looking at? There's no logging whatsoever. |
| 11:15.24 | *** join/#debian Celelaptop (i=celelibi@86.66.31.98) |
| 11:16.06 | hatter | what causes ps aux | grep exim4 to show the user as a number instead of the user ? |
| 11:17.00 | *** join/#debian deconvolution (n=deconvol@87-194-100-175.bethere.co.uk) |
| 11:19.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 835] by debhelper |
| 11:19.10 | *** join/#debian UT2K3 (n=UT2K3@HSI-KBW-078-042-024-224.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 11:24.34 | *** join/#debian solid_liq (n=solid_li@unaffiliated/solidliq) |
| 11:26.15 | *** join/#debian sajes (n=sajes@unaffiliated/sajes) |
| 11:27.00 | *** join/#debian tview (n=user@e177143061.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 11:27.16 | *** join/#debian a[2121]e (n=XChat@115.132.13.52) |
| 11:27.27 | wols_ | hatter: someone who isn't in /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow- |
| 11:27.30 | OpenTokix | jon_: But does it matter if its easy to install? |
| 11:27.43 | wols_ | Alver: log out and log in again |
| 11:27.58 | *** join/#debian a[2121]e (n=XChat@115.132.13.52) |
| 11:28.35 | petemc | hatter: it shows as the (non standard) username here |
| 11:28.50 | Alver | wols_: did that. No change. "groups" shows me as member of powerdev. |
| 11:29.59 | *** join/#debian Apan (i=Apis@c-651770d5.08-37-6d6c6d10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 11:30.06 | *** join/#debian daniel_s (n=daniel_s@77.21.185.11) |
| 11:30.09 | *** join/#debian Crypticfortune (n=Crypticf@gw.dna.bio.keio.ac.jp) |
| 11:30.26 | hatter | exim4 user is running is Debian-exim, but it shows up as user 100 |
| 11:30.46 | *** join/#debian abrotman (n=abrotman@ip67-93-222-40.z222-93-67.customer.algx.net) |
| 11:30.59 | hatter | I am trying to understand why i am getting this : clamd: unable to connect to UNIX socket /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl (Connection refused) |
| 11:31.42 | Crypticfortune | Ah ha!!! I figured out my NFS issue. It seems recently lenny mounting NFS exports from etch defaults to using sec=none (whereas etch mounting etch defaults to sec=sys), thus causing me to always be "nobody." Any idea why/when this changed? |
| 11:32.51 | Alver | hatter: isn't it because "debian-exim" is too long to fit in the username column? |
| 11:33.01 | petemc | hatter: you need to add clamav to the Debian-exim group |
| 11:33.07 | *** join/#debian KaMa (n=kama@host24-93-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 11:33.08 | hatter | petemc, i have done this |
| 11:33.13 | petemc | works for me |
| 11:33.26 | hatter | Alver, could be, i dont know |
| 11:33.45 | *** join/#debian jelly (n=jelly@lan.iskon.hr) |
| 11:34.02 | *** join/#debian TRD (n=s-eddine@41.221.18.193) |
| 11:34.06 | hatter | petemc, your exim4 and clamav are working fine ? |
| 11:34.54 | petemc | hatter: sure are |
| 11:35.59 | *** join/#debian XGas (n=XGas@144.136.68.59) |
| 11:37.16 | Crypticfortune | Does connecting to NFS servers with sec=sys expose the client to some security risks or something? (it'll attempt to say who I am, but I don't consider that a risk. hell, ftp and irc try to do that too =P |
| 11:37.35 | smacnay | which is the preferred server to install in Deb testing: icecast2 or icecast-server? |
| 11:39.20 | *** join/#debian presskop1 (n=carsten@dslb-084-058-244-104.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 11:39.54 | *** join/#debian shahri (n=shahri@p57A87650.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:40.47 | Crypticfortune | smacnay: i think it depends if you want icecast 1.3 or icecast 2.3? (I'd go with the "newer is better" philosophy personally...) |
| 11:41.43 | *** join/#debian jbasse (n=jbasse@ip-83-99-72-21.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu) |
| 11:43.24 | *** join/#debian nikolavp (i=kde4@91.134.8.204) |
| 11:43.51 | *** join/#debian skule (n=svs@cpe.atm2-0-12843.0x50a66336.arcnxx10.customer.tele.dk) |
| 11:44.37 | Alver | Anyone else having issues with kpowersave in sid? |
| 11:46.17 | *** join/#debian CaT_MaN (n=CaT_MaN@mail.telcomsoft.com) |
| 11:46.31 | *** join/#debian Crypticfortune (n=Crypticf@gw.dna.bio.keio.ac.jp) |
| 11:48.18 | Crypticfortune | to make things stranger, mounting NFS from solaris on lenny _does_ sec sec=sys properly... I'm so confused... =( |
| 11:49.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 843] by debhelper |
| 11:51.09 | *** join/#debian rami (n=rami@91.144.8.56) |
| 11:52.15 | *** join/#debian karllo (n=karl@195.167.212.126) |
| 11:53.55 | *** join/#debian nachos (n=nachos@d220-238-94-144.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 11:54.19 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:54.19 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd160 is <mhall> sanmarcos: i'm beginning to wonder about the size of the clue-free zone in which you live <sanmarcos> mhall: huh? <sanmarcos> clue-free ? <sanmarcos> i.e "have no clue" |
| 11:55.40 | *** join/#debian crashanddie (n=crashand@SecuraBit/listener/crashanddie) |
| 11:58.52 | *** join/#debian potato (n=poetaeto@41.246.30.197) |
| 11:59.43 | *** join/#debian sioraiocht (n=sioraioc@worc-student-nat.worc.ox.ac.uk) |
| 11:59.52 | abrotman | !prise liable |
| 11:59.52 | dpkg | blows liable apart with a lightly oiled explosive |
| 12:00.00 | abrotman | that one never works right ... |
| 12:02.15 | liable | gathers his pieces and stomps off home |
| 12:02.28 | enouf | !qotd26 |
| 12:02.28 | dpkg | <RQ> mwilson, i don't care what you think of me as long as you're helpful. |
| 12:02.29 | *** join/#debian vorpal (n=rhunter@pdpc/supporter/student/vorpal) |
| 12:02.47 | *** join/#debian foka (n=foka@124.64.109.152) |
| 12:03.01 | enouf | google's define:prise |
| 12:03.01 | *** join/#debian Lagbolts (n=jm@dhcp-68-232.physics.purdue.edu) |
| 12:03.18 | jelly | !literal CMD: prise (.*?) |
| 12:03.19 | dpkg | "cmd: prise (.*?)" is "($1): <action>(blows $1 apart with a lightly oiled explosive|stops $1 from molesting that (sheep|goat|Welshman)|forcibly removes $1 from $1's keyboard)" |
| 12:03.32 | liable | right |
| 12:04.24 | *** join/#debian ehtom (n=matthew@cpc4-hudd10-0-0-cust306.hudd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 12:04.41 | *** join/#debian m0usep0t4t0 (n=Scrooge_@118.94.116.166) |
| 12:09.11 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-248867.home.otenet.gr) |
| 12:09.48 | Crypticfortune | for the record, wordnet doesn't agree with any of those definitions =P |
| 12:10.27 | abrotman | that wasn't a definition |
| 12:10.28 | jelly | surprise. |
| 12:10.54 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: well, usages =p |
| 12:11.09 | blizzkid | *sighs* |
| 12:11.25 | jelly | is "sausage" based on usage? |
| 12:11.40 | blizzkid | Anyone in here could help me getting this bloody postfix/mailman combo working? |
| 12:11.47 | jon_ | prise isn['t a correctly spelled english word... |
| 12:12.05 | Crypticfortune | jelly: i think you just blew my mind |
| 12:12.13 | abrotman | jon_: yes .. it is |
| 12:12.57 | hatter | geez, after a purge and reinstall clamav is working |
| 12:14.16 | jelly | blizzkid: you'd have to explain the situation first |
| 12:14.22 | *** join/#debian Garda (n=Garda@220-245-143-53-vic-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) |
| 12:14.49 | jelly | blizzkid: possibly providing commands ran, error messages noted and actions taken so far |
| 12:14.52 | blizzkid | jelly: I use postfix with mysql for virtual domains. I set up mailman, but I keep getting "unknown user" |
| 12:15.26 | jelly | blizzkid: how do you add mailman's aliases to postfix? |
| 12:16.04 | *** join/#debian SidGBF (n=chatzill@189.101.250.242) |
| 12:16.34 | *** join/#debian mkataigi (n=mkataigi@softbank221037248013.bbtec.net) |
| 12:16.42 | jon_ | abrotman, its |
| 12:16.46 | jon_ | err :) |
| 12:16.50 | jelly | blizzkid: also, I see you're getting help in #postfix too. I'll wait for them to exhaust the options first |
| 12:16.51 | blizzkid | jelly: I tried different ways, now I have: |
| 12:16.53 | blizzkid | virtual_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman |
| 12:16.54 | blizzkid | virtual_alias_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql/virtual-alias-maps.cf,hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases |
| 12:17.36 | jon_ | abrotman, its the root of a word... like, comprise, enterprise, comprise (but now boobyprize) |
| 12:17.40 | SidGBF | Guys... our sys admin got fired, and now Im trying to fix something he didn't completed. We were migrating a machine from CentOS to Debian. By any reason, when rebooting the bootstrap, the system doesnt work. What should I check to see the problems? |
| 12:17.46 | jon_ | s/now/not/ |
| 12:17.50 | abrotman | jon_: your internet skills suck .. it is a word |
| 12:18.09 | *** join/#debian smoser (n=smoser@d14-69-66-169.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 12:18.27 | *** join/#debian nvz (i=nvz@150.sub-75-211-58.myvzw.com) |
| 12:18.53 | *** join/#debian nonno (n=nonno@ppp-115-116.33-151.iol.it) |
| 12:20.21 | *** join/#debian scintilla (n=SkLiPpY@81-208-83-233.fastres.net) |
| 12:21.26 | jon_ | actually I'm looking at some definitions that claim the word exists, but the examples seem to contradict... url is... |
| 12:21.30 | *** join/#debian onx (n=onx@unaffiliated/onx) |
| 12:21.33 | jon_ | http://www.thefreedictionary.com/prise |
| 12:21.57 | abrotman | still in the dictionary .. isn't it? |
| 12:22.33 | jon_ | prise seems to be a french form of prize |
| 12:22.56 | *** join/#debian sioraiocht (n=sioraioc@worc-student-nat.worc.ox.ac.uk) |
| 12:22.57 | peck_ | pise in french means socket |
| 12:23.09 | *** join/#debian juanfgs (n=juanfgs@host26.190-139-107.telecom.net.ar) |
| 12:23.55 | jon_ | example of contradiction... |
| 12:24.01 | jon_ | 2.prise - make an uninvited or presumptuous inquiry; "They pried the information out of him" |
| 12:24.04 | *** join/#debian Petrov (n=Petrov@75.225-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 12:24.28 | jon_ | so it's not the correct entry (like a mishash or something) |
| 12:24.56 | jon_ | the word they're thinking of is pry not prise |
| 12:25.48 | Lagbolts | anyone have a good idea for diagnosing problems when resuming from a hibernate? been googling around for a while. something about the 2.6.26 kern is causing trouble |
| 12:26.11 | *** join/#debian tview (n=user@e177143061.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 12:26.44 | *** join/#debian roodie (n=evil@cp82868-b.dbsch1.nb.home.nl) |
| 12:26.58 | abrotman | still in the dictionary .. isn't it? |
| 12:27.10 | abrotman | Lagbolts: specific module doing it? |
| 12:27.22 | jelly | !offtopic |
| 12:27.22 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net |
| 12:27.31 | *** join/#debian aliases123 (n=alias@unaffiliated/aliases123) |
| 12:27.50 | Lagbolts | abrotman, i cant figure it out. i tried with X not running to test nvidia. when it resumes i get blank screen with an underscore cursor and it is frozen |
| 12:28.22 | *** join/#debian clemyeats (n=clemyeat@sealip01.ericsson.net) |
| 12:28.29 | Lagbolts | abrotman, is there a way to log the resume somewhere? |
| 12:29.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 851] by debhelper |
| 12:29.06 | *** join/#debian infernix (i=nix@unaffiliated/infernix) |
| 12:29.38 | abrotman | Lagbolts: i don't use hibernate .. have you tried with vesa? no framebuffer(if in use) .. unloading network etc |
| 12:30.16 | Lagbolts | abrotman, yes yes and no. i will try unloading my eth module. for sure no wireless when i do it |
| 12:30.34 | Lagbolts | any other modules you can think of off hand that i might remove |
| 12:30.54 | abrotman | pcspkr! |
| 12:31.41 | Lagbolts | that one is blacklisted :) |
| 12:31.44 | *** join/#debian BleSS (n=BleSS@119.Red-88-11-116.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 12:32.28 | BleSS | where are the Ruby gems installed? I installed rubygems manually |
| 12:32.36 | Crypticfortune | if there was a popcon for blacklisted modules, pcspkr would be at the top =P |
| 12:33.17 | wols_ | BleSS: ask the rubygems people not us. their software |
| 12:33.31 | wols_ | BleSS: we only know where dpkg installs debs |
| 12:33.39 | BleSS | ok |
| 12:33.56 | *** join/#debian tview (n=user@e177143061.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 12:33.58 | *** part/#debian victorjsp (n=vjspnu@189.71.136.11) |
| 12:34.05 | jelly | BleSS: manually? |
| 12:34.23 | BleSS | yes |
| 12:34.46 | *** join/#debian litage (n=nick@CPE001ee5861925-CM000f9f1cf1da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 12:34.47 | jelly | BleSS: anything wrong with the packages? |
| 12:34.59 | jon_ | BleSS: #ruby (first of all) second, depends where ruby is installed |
| 12:34.59 | *** join/#debian mx-tvt (n=costa@bl9-29-251.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 12:35.11 | stew | BleSS: iirc its /var/lib/gems? or /var/spool/gems? |
| 12:35.28 | *** join/#debian emachado (n=edjunior@32.104.18.240) |
| 12:35.54 | aliases123 | hi what is a "safe " load. |
| 12:36.13 | jon_ | debian probably had specific influence (meaning probably they edited the config) |
| 12:36.18 | wols_ | aliases123: all of them |
| 12:36.18 | BleSS | jelly: when you install a ruby gem or python easy_install, you get the last version |
| 12:36.28 | *** join/#debian gutocarvalho (n=gutocarv@panzer.mda.gov.br) |
| 12:36.40 | BleSS | in change that doesn't happens with the packages |
| 12:36.42 | SidGBF | "passwd: Authentication information cannot be recovered passwd: password unchanged" when Im trying to change a user's pass |
| 12:36.44 | aliases123 | wols_: oh. well. what is an optiminal load. |
| 12:36.45 | wols_ | BleSS: that's what backports are usually for |
| 12:36.50 | wols_ | aliases123: 0 |
| 12:36.54 | dustybin | will debian survive the financial turmoil? |
| 12:37.24 | wols_ | dustybin: do you think debian holds subprime mortgages and CDS? |
| 12:37.27 | rchi | Hi! Yesterday my debian etch had a panic after a restart. It was after plugging in my printer(usb). It then booted fine after putting acpi=off noacpi into the kernel boot line. When i turn the comp on without the printer usb connected, it loads up fine (acpi on). here is the dmesg - http://pastebin.com/d57370a7a - I'm just after an explanation? Is this a power consumption issue? |
| 12:37.39 | BleSS | in addition the packages have not all ruby gems or python easy_install |
| 12:38.39 | Crypticfortune | aliases123: probably the same as the number of cpus/cores in the system, though your mileage may vary... |
| 12:38.39 | *** join/#debian Ego-Ale-Sum (n=Ego-Ale-@host2-248-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 12:38.40 | *** join/#debian Hello19 (n=cool@125.64.202.56) |
| 12:38.43 | Ego-Ale-Sum | hello |
| 12:38.59 | *** part/#debian zimnyx (i=foobar@ip-219-8.ists.pl) |
| 12:39.52 | *** join/#debian sebn (n=seb@gambetta.sogilis.com) |
| 12:40.20 | Ego-Ale-Sum | I need your suggest... I've got a Debian (etch) server. I've got also an iPhone. I'd like to use push email in my iphone but, since I use GMail, at the moment I can't. so, I tought I could install a MS Exchange server that supports push. now, since my server is Debian and not Windows (I will never use a windows server :) ), I was wondering if there was a free replacement for MS Exchange Server that works with Linux |
| 12:40.56 | *** join/#debian dv_ (n=dv@83-64-248-68.inzersdorf.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 12:41.01 | *** join/#debian potato (n=poetaeto@41.246.30.197) |
| 12:41.08 | dustybin | Ego-Ale-Sum: courier-imap can push your mail |
| 12:41.15 | dustybin | ive used that with my phone |
| 12:41.21 | *** part/#debian BleSS (n=BleSS@119.Red-88-11-116.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 12:41.32 | Ego-Ale-Sum | dustybin: really? good... does it work with GMail too? |
| 12:41.46 | Ego-Ale-Sum | is there a guide somewhere about configuring it to push emails? |
| 12:41.48 | dustybin | just make sure the correct courier port is open so your phone can access it |
| 12:42.09 | Ego-Ale-Sum | uhm... is it compatible with MS Exchange? |
| 12:42.12 | dustybin | Ego-Ale-Sum: it doesnt need setting up, its already a part of the protocol |
| 12:42.14 | Crypticfortune | Ego-Ale-Sum: I don't know what you mean by "push", but iPhones support gmail and imap natively |
| 12:42.43 | dustybin | Ego-Ale-Sum: just make sure the correct port is forwarded on your server and make sure you put in the correct imap settings on your iphone |
| 12:42.54 | Ego-Ale-Sum | Crypticfortune: push email means that emails are not downloaded at regular intervals, but they are delivered directly to the phone, without delays |
| 12:43.13 | Ego-Ale-Sum | dustybin: I'm sorry, but I don't understand... |
| 12:43.29 | cpate00 | Ego-Ale-Sum, instead of pulling the mail from the mail server, the mail server pushes it to you |
| 12:43.32 | dustybin | Ego-Ale-Sum: your phone will check to see if there are any new emails on your server, then just send you the header, then you can download the rest of the mail |
| 12:43.47 | dustybin | your phone will check at regular intervals |
| 12:43.57 | Ego-Ale-Sum | no, that's not what I wanted :) |
| 12:44.02 | *** join/#debian mx-tvt (n=costa@bl9-29-251.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 12:44.07 | Ego-Ale-Sum | I wanted push emails... like MS Exchange... |
| 12:44.11 | cpate00 | right |
| 12:44.19 | Ego-Ale-Sum | have you ever used a blackberry? |
| 12:44.28 | dustybin | oh im not sure, my phone settings are 'push' and thats what it does |
| 12:44.34 | dustybin | no |
| 12:44.53 | Ego-Ale-Sum | dustybin: yes, but push works only with Yahoo Mail, MS Exchange and MobileME |
| 12:45.03 | dustybin | ok |
| 12:45.08 | cpate00 | Ego-Ale-Sum, last i checked, yahoo mail pushes. you can forward your mail there i guess. |
| 12:45.13 | Ego-Ale-Sum | the blackberry istantly notifies of new emails. it does NOT connect to the server at regular intervals |
| 12:45.21 | cpate00 | but that's a bit of a joke |
| 12:45.42 | nachos | i want to upgrade my kernel on etch from 2.6.18 to 2.6.34. if i just install the packages available on aptitude, will this break anything? |
| 12:45.45 | dustybin | Ego-Ale-Sum: how does your blackberry know if there is new mail? |
| 12:45.55 | Ego-Ale-Sum | cpate00: that would not be a good solution... for various reasons :) the most important is that you can't change SMTP server, so I cannot reply to emails using my GMail address |
| 12:46.02 | cpate00 | you're right. it isn't a good solution |
| 12:46.08 | Ego-Ale-Sum | dustybin: dunno exactly, but that's the magic of push email :) |
| 12:46.14 | dustybin | hmm |
| 12:46.17 | Ego-Ale-Sum | there's a delay of maximum some minutes |
| 12:46.26 | *** join/#debian tuxcrafter (n=tuxcraft@84-245-3-195.dsl.cambrium.nl) |
| 12:46.33 | Crypticfortune | Ego-Ale-Sum: that just means your phone isn't checking frequently enough. =P |
| 12:46.36 | tuxcrafter | hello everybody |
| 12:46.50 | tuxcrafter | does somebody know how to remove a kdb handler from an event? |
| 12:46.57 | tuxcrafter | H: Handlers=kbd event8 |
| 12:47.00 | gypsym | Hi, I've a debian etch that after some weeks freezes.. I can still use keyboard (caps lock led works) but I can't see anything in the monitor, I can't access via lan it doesn't responds to ping , I reset and then it works..where can I find info on what culd be happen? I looked in syslog messages debug and kern.log but nothing helps me |
| 12:47.04 | dustybin | Ego-Ale-Sum: its impossible for a blackberry to recieve email notifications if its not connected to a network?! |
| 12:47.11 | cpate00 | Ego-Ale-Sum, have you checked out http://www.funambol.com/ ? |
| 12:47.15 | Ego-Ale-Sum | Crypticfortune: right :) also, there's a bug in firmware 2.1 so emails are not checked automatically if not using WiFi |
| 12:47.31 | Crypticfortune | Ego-Ale-Sum: technically push isn't part of the original IMAP spec, and I don't know any opensource imap servers that support it. Perhaps write it into courier yourself? ^^ |
| 12:47.46 | Ego-Ale-Sum | cpate00: I'll look at it, tnx |
| 12:47.48 | cpate00 | dustybin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_e-mail |
| 12:48.07 | Ego-Ale-Sum | crypticfortune: push email is not related to IMAP in any way :) we are talking about different things... |
| 12:48.07 | cpate00 | Ego-Ale-Sum, it's worth a look. your possible solutions are very limited at this time |
| 12:48.08 | *** join/#debian dagar (n=dagar@206-248-137-66.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 12:48.23 | Ego-Ale-Sum | cpate00: but isn't there a free replacemente of MS Exchange Server? |
| 12:48.28 | cpate00 | no |
| 12:48.33 | cpate00 | not to my knowledge |
| 12:48.48 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:48.58 | Ego-Ale-Sum | cpate00: uhm... I've found that: http://www.postpath.com/solutions/issues/linux_exchange_server.html what do you think about it? |
| 12:49.06 | abrotman | depending how many bits you'dl ike to replace .. but there are free replacements |
| 12:49.08 | cpate00 | oh.. maybe there is then |
| 12:49.12 | abrotman | some that even implement MAPI |
| 12:49.19 | cpate00 | cool. |
| 12:49.23 | Ego-Ale-Sum | MAPI? |
| 12:49.25 | nachos | why does the 2.6.24 kernel package have the name 2.6.24-etchnhalf ? |
| 12:49.50 | abrotman | !tell nachos about etchnhalf |
| 12:49.53 | cpate00 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messaging_Application_Programming_Interface |
| 12:49.55 | abrotman | Ego-Ale-Sum: google |
| 12:50.03 | *** join/#debian Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 12:50.43 | cpate00 | Ego-Ale-Sum, well, postpath does seem to support push, so maybe it's worth a try |
| 12:50.59 | cpate00 | although.. |
| 12:51.05 | Ego-Ale-Sum | cpate00: yes, but you have to pay for it :) |
| 12:51.06 | cpate00 | it is commercial software from what i can tell. |
| 12:51.07 | cpate00 | right. |
| 12:51.12 | Ego-Ale-Sum | there's also this: http://www.bynari.net/products/insight_connector/insight_connector_for_calendar_sharing.html |
| 12:51.18 | Ego-Ale-Sum | but that's commercial too |
| 12:51.49 | abrotman | someone just open sourced a bunch of stuff like this .. ask google/slashdot |
| 12:51.58 | cpate00 | yeah |
| 12:51.59 | cpate00 | zarafa |
| 12:52.00 | *** join/#debian DanDare (n=DanDare@bhe201062186045.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) |
| 12:52.00 | *** join/#debian dbadm (n=dbadm@189.51.231.70) |
| 12:52.05 | cpate00 | http://drupal.zarafa.com/ |
| 12:52.11 | Ego-Ale-Sum | abrotman: I have checked, but I find only commercial software |
| 12:52.20 | jelly | "we can't productize this, so we'll just give it away" |
| 12:52.24 | abrotman | i'm not going to do the research for you ... |
| 12:52.25 | cpate00 | they have a GPL opensource version |
| 12:52.42 | Ego-Ale-Sum | I think I've found that: http://www.openmapi.org/nmapi |
| 12:52.51 | Ego-Ale-Sum | what do you think about it? |
| 12:52.58 | Ego-Ale-Sum | I'm not sure it's what I was loooking for |
| 12:52.59 | abrotman | ask them .. not us |
| 12:53.08 | keith4 | MAPI should have died a long time ago |
| 12:53.11 | nachos | is there a psudo package i can install that will upgrade me to etch + 1/2 ? |
| 12:53.20 | abrotman | nachos: no .. you must choose the packages |
| 12:53.32 | *** join/#debian jakub (n=jkb@62.24.71.27) |
| 12:53.33 | abrotman | not that there are that many of them |
| 12:53.38 | nachos | okay, thanks. |
| 12:53.50 | nachos | does it magicly update grub for me? |
| 12:53.54 | keith4 | yes |
| 12:53.58 | nachos | thanks |
| 12:54.11 | keith4 | just like it would for any other kernel upgrade |
| 12:54.28 | cpate00 | OMG! a hamburger from 1996. |
| 12:54.41 | *** join/#debian grub (n=grub@last.fm/user/grub) |
| 12:54.49 | Ego-Ale-Sum | I think I've found it finally: http://z-push.sourceforge.net/soswp/ |
| 12:54.53 | Ego-Ale-Sum | activesync for linux |
| 12:55.05 | jelly | Ego-Ale-Sum: gross! |
| 12:55.14 | *** join/#debian N1ckR (n=nick@82-47-214-45.cable.ubr11.brad.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 12:55.48 | *** join/#debian xingu (n=xingu@host86-152-165-34.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) |
| 12:56.59 | *** join/#debian maxamillion (n=adam@ss-5-41.shsu.edu) |
| 12:57.25 | *** part/#debian smaug1 (n=jwardlaw@rrcs-24-97-121-200.nys.biz.rr.com) |
| 12:58.05 | Ego-Ale-Sum | uhm... z-push is in php... |
| 12:58.12 | Ego-Ale-Sum | well, not a bad thing :) |
| 12:59.05 | *** join/#debian jbasse (n=jbasse@ip-83-99-72-21.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu) |
| 12:59.10 | *** join/#debian ams_ (n=andy@eth0.crowdsurf.donc.uk.ipv6.nocarrier.org.uk) |
| 12:59.24 | *** join/#debian alphad (n=alphad@41.202.71.185) |
| 12:59.32 | nachos | will installing the etch + 1/2 packages break anything? |
| 12:59.42 | *** join/#debian Rprp (n=Rprp@cc763024-b.groni1.gr.home.nl) |
| 12:59.58 | cpate00 | we can't tell you that |
| 13:00.00 | cpate00 | try it and see |
| 13:00.00 | abrotman | it could .. it is a new kernel |
| 13:00.03 | cpate00 | it shouldn't |
| 13:00.51 | *** join/#debian D_ReaL_PuNiShEr (n=flowman4@41.219.243.190) |
| 13:00.52 | jelly | nachos: installing the packages shouldn't. Rebooting with newer kernels might. |
| 13:01.09 | chomwitt | i am stuck to the stable/testing dilimma. Could please someone help me? as i get it with testing i'wont have need for major release upgrades and smoothly in daily basis i'll have upgrades of packages and new packages with the cons of instability. I wont to use my pc for web dev, and programming. what should i do? |
| 13:01.34 | chomwitt | wont->want |
| 13:01.58 | abrotman | chomwitt: you can run testing ... and have a vm/chroot/whatever for testing against the production environment |
| 13:02.28 | *** join/#debian ehtom (n=matthew@cpc4-hudd10-0-0-cust306.hudd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 13:02.49 | chomwitt | abrotman: vm ? |
| 13:03.08 | bolt-work | chomwitt: "major release upgrades" is no more of a bother than the issues you'd get every day in testing, just all at a time when you decide you have the time to upgrade :) |
| 13:03.13 | bolt-work | chomwitt: virtual machine |
| 13:03.21 | nachos | ive got a AMD x2 4200, should i be using 686 kernels? |
| 13:03.30 | wols_ | nachos: yes |
| 13:03.40 | nachos | okay |
| 13:03.49 | nachos | yeah, im running deb in a virtual machine |
| 13:04.05 | nachos | havign some stability issues so im going to upgrade the kernel to see if it resolves it |
| 13:04.08 | *** join/#debian ehtom (n=matthew@cpc4-hudd10-0-0-cust306.hudd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 13:04.58 | *** join/#debian potato (n=poetaeto@41.246.30.197) |
| 13:05.59 | cpate00 | well it can't get much worse than that |
| 13:06.01 | cpate00 | so take the plunge man |
| 13:06.43 | *** join/#debian rjent (n=level3@204.184.227.250) |
| 13:07.03 | nachos | yeap, just pressed 'gg' in aptitude :P |
| 13:07.08 | cpate00 | :) |
| 13:07.16 | cpate00 | hopefully the world doesn't implode |
| 13:09.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 857] by debhelper |
| 13:10.05 | *** join/#debian zamuroff (n=manuel@190.199.109.137) |
| 13:10.14 | *** join/#debian kexman (i=kexman@unaffiliated/kexman) |
| 13:10.17 | chomwitt | bolt-work: excuse me if i insist but its important for me to understand that. so the difference between a 'major release upgrade eg: etch->lenny' and small upgrades done in your choosen time in testing is in terms of quantity of packages involved and in terms of how smooth and error free those upgrades will be. In the major upgrade you wait but u gain smooth upgrade. in testing you dont wait but you ask for small trouble. |
| 13:11.45 | bolt-work | chomwitt: well, the upgrade issues are generally config files not being compatible any more, at least to my experience. options you depend on mey no longer be there, or they may work differently. if you upgrade every day in, say, testing, something might stop working, or it might not. if you do a complete dist upgrade, you can almost expect to have to reconfigure a few things |
| 13:12.14 | bolt-work | chomwitt: to my experience, it's better to do such a thing when you have the time to take a backup, do the complete upgrade and retest every vital function of your server |
| 13:12.21 | bolt-work | chomwitt: just my two cents, though |
| 13:13.32 | *** join/#debian infernixx (i=nix@unaffiliated/infernix) |
| 13:14.00 | bolt-work | chomwitt: thus, i prefer to have vital machines run stable, so it's generally very safe to update everything |
| 13:14.56 | keith4 | !moving target |
| 13:14.56 | dpkg | Sure, testing might be shiner that stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Config file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer rather than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. |
| 13:15.07 | *** join/#debian alphad (n=alphad@41.202.71.185) |
| 13:16.06 | bolt-work | good info |
| 13:16.17 | *** join/#debian torrr (n=ofirg@bzq-79-181-100-88.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 13:16.37 | torrr | how do I check which driver is loaded for my LAN? |
| 13:16.57 | chomwitt | bolt-work: i wasnt aware of the config aspect of the process. Can i add that aspect to my previous aspect i wrote or some of my views of seeing the trade off involved need change? |
| 13:16.58 | *** join/#debian |unjustice| (n=kvirc@student167-251.hampshire.edu) |
| 13:17.20 | *** join/#debian mkataigi (n=mkataigi@softbank221037248013.bbtec.net) |
| 13:17.48 | bolt-work | chomwitt: you sound like my boss |
| 13:18.15 | chomwitt | dpkg: one think that ''shined'' to me lately :-) was iceweasel 3 with the web-dev plugins. |
| 13:18.16 | dpkg | chomwitt: You are moron #2 |
| 13:18.37 | bolt-work | who reset dpkg's moron counter? |
| 13:18.40 | *** join/#debian johndoe (n=john@89-172-31-138.adsl.net.t-com.hr) |
| 13:18.52 | *** join/#debian tview (n=user@e177143061.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 13:19.07 | chomwitt | dpkg: why u say that ; :-( |
| 13:19.07 | dpkg | chomwitt: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 13:19.15 | bolt-work | chomwitt: backports will take care of limited shiney-attractions |
| 13:19.33 | dante_2core | hey guys, someone already made sure that the kernel RC breaking e1000 intel network cards does not make it into debian unstable? |
| 13:19.36 | bolt-work | chomwitt: dpkg is a bot. it calls you a moron for talking to it instead of sending it a command |
| 13:19.38 | *** join/#debian Kumool (n=Beef@24.139.243.219) |
| 13:19.38 | stew | torrr: somewhere in /sys/class/net |
| 13:19.44 | *** join/#debian zeta (n=zeta@CPE002191074172-CM0013718d3546.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 13:20.20 | stew | torrr: like /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver/module/drivers |
| 13:20.20 | *** join/#debian gane (n=ganes@203.129.255.188) |
| 13:20.25 | dante_2core | dpkg, how high is your moron count? XD |
| 13:20.25 | dpkg | dante_2core: I think you lost me on that one |
| 13:20.35 | dante_2core | LMFAO |
| 13:20.57 | *** join/#debian anu (n=ganes@218.248.24.18) |
| 13:21.12 | anu | how to find a setwork subnet |
| 13:21.14 | chomwitt | bolt-work: :-0 !! |
| 13:21.44 | bolt-work | chomwitt: what? |
| 13:22.25 | chomwitt | bolt-work: just suprised by taking a bot for human! |
| 13:23.03 | *** join/#debian RageOfThou (n=RageOfTh@SE400.PPPoE-4743.sa.bih.net.ba) |
| 13:23.04 | bolt-work | !botsnack |
| 13:23.04 | dpkg | :), bolt-work |
| 13:23.04 | dante_2core | well dpkg is pretty advanced and well-filled with tags, triggers and replies, so don't feel dumb for that one |
| 13:23.27 | *** join/#debian Raylz (n=bernhard@85-126-206-52.teleworker.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 13:23.38 | Kumool | yeah havent you talked to the emacs psychiatrist? it works sometimes |
| 13:23.39 | chomwitt | bolt-work: anyway ,thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience. |
| 13:23.46 | *** join/#debian tobias (n=tobias@user-0c8hj2l.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 13:23.50 | bolt-work | chomwitt: np |
| 13:23.56 | Raylz | is there a lightweight gnome meta package, that contains only the basic programs? |
| 13:24.11 | stew | Raylz: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 13:24.41 | torrr | stew, This file isn't there. (The problem is that once long ago, I have compiled in a good driver module to the kernel, and now I switch to a 32bit version of the same kernel, and I don't know which driver it would have) |
| 13:25.15 | Raylz | ty stew |
| 13:25.36 | *** join/#debian marvil07 (n=marvil07@190.41.37.215) |
| 13:26.08 | stew | torrr: show us the output of "lspci -n" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 13:26.42 | anu | how to find a setwork subnet |
| 13:26.47 | *** join/#debian D_R_P (n=flowman4@41.219.195.5) |
| 13:26.51 | anu | how to find a network subnet |
| 13:27.03 | torrr | http://pastebin.com/m414e8cf2 |
| 13:27.09 | *** join/#debian ChatWMa (n=WMa@89.26.127.113) |
| 13:27.10 | stew | anu: which network subnet are you trying to find? |
| 13:27.12 | torrr | how do I show loaded modules? |
| 13:27.18 | *** join/#debian EraSeR (i=reply@nat2.eranetas.com) |
| 13:27.20 | dante_2core | lsmod |
| 13:27.48 | chomwitt | dante_2core: thanks. you intrigued me. i'm reading http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot . |
| 13:27.52 | anu | stew, while configuring the dhcp it is asking the subnet value of my system |
| 13:27.57 | dante_2core | chomwitt, :D |
| 13:28.07 | anu | stew, i didnt know what value to give their |
| 13:28.18 | *** join/#debian Chris7mas (n=ubuntu@84.232.169.37) |
| 13:28.21 | *** join/#debian potato (n=poetaeto@41.246.30.197) |
| 13:28.24 | keith4 | wow |
| 13:28.35 | *** join/#debian tiveron_ (n=tiveron@c906877a.virtua.com.br) |
| 13:28.45 | torrr | so I see sky2 and sk98lin, those are the default linux modules for LAN, I thnk, right? |
| 13:29.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 870] by debhelper |
| 13:29.11 | *** join/#debian entaro_ (n=entaro@213.180.203.39) |
| 13:29.18 | keith4 | torrr: there are no "default" modules. it depends on what hardware you have |
| 13:29.21 | *** part/#debian karrotx (n=steve@unaffiliated/karrotx) |
| 13:29.35 | stew | torrr: there is more than one ethernet card there, they sky2 and there is also a ne2k-pci |
| 13:29.37 | torrr | I have Marvell Yukon |
| 13:29.49 | stew | anu: what is the range of ip addresses? |
| 13:30.00 | wols_ | anu: use 255.255.255.0 and tell your dhcp provider to fix the server |
| 13:30.05 | *** join/#debian Givvade (n=Givvade@dslc-082-082-067-008.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 13:30.17 | stew | anu: ipcalc is a handy utility for figuring out netmasks |
| 13:30.22 | wols_ | anu: that is if you mean the (sub)netmask |
| 13:30.40 | SidGBF | http://paste.debian.net/17952/ What's wrong here? |
| 13:31.01 | torrr | stew in lsmod there is ne2k_pci |
| 13:31.08 | anu | stew, i am asking the netmask value .. i am asking about the value for subnet |
| 13:31.24 | wols_ | SidGBF: that uid and gid are different |
| 13:31.30 | keith4 | anu: setting up dhcp server or dhcp client? |
| 13:31.31 | stew | anu: yes, that's what I understood |
| 13:31.31 | wols_ | SidGBF: which debian version is this? |
| 13:32.02 | *** part/#debian Raylz (n=bernhard@85-126-206-52.teleworker.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 13:32.06 | stew | SidGBF: looks like a pam problem to me. check /var/log/auth.log |
| 13:32.45 | *** join/#debian Lyk4n8rwp0S (n=R@88.218.155.247) |
| 13:32.55 | keith4 | SidGBF: what's in your nsswitch.conf? |
| 13:33.23 | stew | anu: are you asking for a definition of netmask? |
| 13:33.30 | SidGBF | I think our sys admin was trying to make some ldap things |
| 13:35.14 | anu | keith4, gor dhcp server |
| 13:35.19 | SidGBF | http://paste.debian.net/17955/ |
| 13:35.37 | anu | stew, i am asking for subnet mask |
| 13:35.43 | SidGBF | Can't understand how they hired a sysadmin that doesn't know english... |
| 13:35.54 | keith4 | SidGBF: looks like ldap isn't running on localhost |
| 13:36.10 | stew | anu: ok. for what range of ip addresses? |
| 13:36.26 | SidGBF | keith4: How do I remove it? |
| 13:36.38 | keith4 | fix nsswitch.conf |
| 13:37.19 | anu | stew, for ten |
| 13:37.44 | Lyk4n8rwp0S | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.54 | *** part/#debian tuxcrafter (n=tuxcraft@84-245-3-195.dsl.cambrium.nl) |
| 13:37.57 | *** join/#debian Wiz126 (i=Wiz126@72.20.227.194) |
| 13:38.34 | stew | anu: so for instance, the the highest possible ip address and the lowest possible ip address (including the router) are only 10 apart? |
| 13:38.48 | Lyk4n8rwp0S | (sorry not on a laptop on a desktop) |
| 13:39.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 862] by debhelper |
| 13:39.06 | stew | anu: if so, then I'll assume you mean 16 and the netmask would be /28 or /255.255.255.240 |
| 13:39.22 | SidGBF | keith4: http://paste.debian.net/17956/ like this? |
| 13:39.54 | keith4 | SidGBF: that should work |
| 13:39.58 | yang | What does this kind of sshd error mean - Sep 25 15:39:08 gnu sshd[3458]: warning: /etc/hosts.allow, line 63: can't verify hostname: getaddrinfo(host201-43-dynamic.19-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it, AF_INET) failed |
| 13:40.09 | *** join/#debian spx2 (n=spx2@89.37.70.170) |
| 13:40.16 | *** part/#debian kexman (i=kexman@unaffiliated/kexman) |
| 13:40.27 | yang | /etc/hosts.allow has entry sshd: .retail.telecomitalia.it : allow |
| 13:40.37 | keith4 | it means that host201-43-dynamic.19-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it doesn't resolve |
| 13:41.04 | wols_ | yang: it asked for the IP of that hostmask and it came back empty |
| 13:41.37 | *** part/#debian DavidVWallin (n=DavidVWa@mail.sandellsandberg.se) |
| 13:42.16 | yang | why? |
| 13:42.35 | wols_ | cause it doesn*t exist? |
| 13:42.38 | stew | yang: why did it ask? or why did it come back empty? |
| 13:43.01 | yang | ah yes, i see this |
| 13:43.06 | *** join/#debian Walther (n=john@S01060013102d1ae7.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 13:43.06 | yang | If i dnslookup host201-43-dynamic.19-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it |
| 13:43.10 | yang | it doesnt show IP |
| 13:43.25 | yang | its their ISP fault |
| 13:43.30 | SidGBF | http://paste.debian.net/17957/ :s |
| 13:44.20 | *** join/#debian Lagbolt (n=jm@c-98-223-49-254.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 13:44.54 | *** join/#debian Camp (n=tobias@p508013DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:45.34 | SidGBF | keith4: Still trying ldap |
| 13:45.36 | liable | Lyk4n8rwp0S: whats the actuall error? look in vt4 of the installer |
| 13:46.03 | Lyk4n8rwp0S | liable: how can I do that? |
| 13:46.19 | liable | Lyk4n8rwp0S: alt+f4 |
| 13:46.46 | *** join/#debian derchris (n=derchris@87-194-89-163.bethere.co.uk) |
| 13:46.54 | *** join/#debian nelf (n=nelf@159.74.103.87.rev.vodafone.pt) |
| 13:47.39 | *** join/#debian moodhugs (n=moodhugs@S0106000e081d8473.tb.shawcable.net) |
| 13:48.00 | *** join/#debian SexyKen (n=ken@c-67-160-193-210.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 13:48.24 | nachos | hey |
| 13:48.31 | Lyk4n8rwp0S | OK just a moment I had the md5 checked when I burned the cd and was correct and now OOPS! I mistake came up in the ./pool/contrib/d/dosemu_1.2.2-8_i386.deb |
| 13:49.17 | *** join/#debian vampirefrog (n=mihai@91.192.140.44) |
| 13:49.25 | nachos | when i installed etch, i picked /dev/hda1 to be my root filesystem, i have changed that to /dev/sda1, now ive installed 2.6.24 and it put the default setting of /dev/hda1 in as the boot device |
| 13:49.30 | nachos | how can i change debians default |
| 13:49.38 | nachos | then i will manually update grub |
| 13:49.39 | *** join/#debian TheOnly (n=theonly@resnet-pat-254.ucs.ed.ac.uk) |
| 13:49.50 | SidGBF | http://paste.debian.net/17957/ Can someone help me to remove ldap? Our sysadmin got fired and he didn't setted it up properly |
| 13:50.50 | *** join/#debian themill (n=stuart@phoenix.chm.bris.ac.uk) |
| 13:50.53 | *** join/#debian jhava1 (n=jalayon@190.174.139.169) |
| 13:51.31 | *** join/#debian ninjaslim (n=sabeeh@128.220.154.62) |
| 13:51.32 | amphi | nachos: edit the #kopt line in menu.lst |
| 13:52.07 | *** join/#debian moodhugs (n=moodhugs@S0106000e081d8473.tb.shawcable.net) |
| 13:52.45 | *** join/#debian scraisy (n=vtre@236.pool85-60-157.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 13:53.40 | Lyk4n8rwp0S | liable : the error message was : main-menu[1334] WARNING ** : Configuring 'pkgsel' failed with error code 1 |
| 13:54.00 | bolt-work | Lyk4n8rwp0S: need the _first_ error message. that's just the result |
| 13:54.09 | *** join/#debian jerbear (n=jerbear@cpe-075-181-117-114.carolina.res.rr.com) |
| 13:54.15 | *** join/#debian ealdor (n=ealdor@117.Red-83-37-176.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 13:55.06 | Lyk4n8rwp0S | aptitude failed (255) |
| 13:55.36 | *** join/#debian DDave (n=DDave@83.222.37.74) |
| 13:55.56 | *** join/#debian maligor (n=maligor@a88-114-85-246.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 13:56.54 | *** join/#debian potato (n=poetaeto@41.246.30.197) |
| 13:57.16 | abrotman | SidGBF: try #ldap |
| 13:57.26 | abrotman | SidGBF: if you don't ahve the password, we'ren ot going to be mucbh help |
| 13:57.47 | abrotman | or you have fingers like mine that can't type anything |
| 13:58.58 | SidGBF | abrotman: I want to disable ldap cause our sysadmin didin't setted it up properly |
| 13:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 870] by debhelper |
| 13:59.21 | abrotman | then just stop starting it .. it has an init script |
| 13:59.55 | SidGBF | wich is... |
| 14:00.05 | abrotman | go hire an admin |
| 14:00.05 | stew | abrotman: he's using nss_ldap and wants to disable that |
| 14:00.10 | nachos | hm. im trying to run grub-install on /dev/sda1 but it keeps on giving me the error, "/dev/hda1: not found or not a block device." |
| 14:00.16 | nachos | ive setup the menu |
| 14:00.23 | nachos | and done grub-install --recheck |
| 14:00.25 | abrotman | if he did .. he needs to be a bit more descriptive |
| 14:00.41 | stew | abrotman: not that he just wants to stop a running ldap instance, nss isn't seeing an ldap instance that it epects to find |
| 14:00.59 | stew | SidGBF: have you looked at nsswitch.conf ? |
| 14:01.11 | SidGBF | abrotman: Dude... are you ok? |
| 14:01.14 | abrotman | are you? |
| 14:01.19 | *** join/#debian cydork (n=cydork@unaffiliated/cydork) |
| 14:01.23 | abrotman | you fired the guy that was supposed to do this for you :) |
| 14:01.29 | SidGBF | stew: yes, posted t... let me see... |
| 14:01.54 | SidGBF | abrotman: Cause he took 1 week to don't set it up and he shouldn't even start it. |
| 14:01.56 | abrotman | the webserver authenticates against ldap for users? |
| 14:02.17 | SidGBF | stew: http://paste.debian.net/17956/ |
| 14:02.18 | nachos | argh, why does update-grub keep on putting in the wrong values for root=/dev/foo ? |
| 14:02.19 | Alver | SidGBF: you might want to remove the pam_ldap references from the necessary files in /etc/pam.d/, I guess. |
| 14:02.35 | Alver | SidGBF: supposing you want to stop using ldap for auth completely, that is |
| 14:02.53 | SidGBF | Alver: that's what I want... |
| 14:03.21 | *** join/#debian dmoerner (n=dmoerner@ppp-71-139-30-137.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 14:03.25 | Alver | SidGBF: is this apache, btw? Check the config, there should be a line pointing to mod_pam_auth or something |
| 14:03.34 | SidGBF | no, shell |
| 14:03.38 | stew | nachos: did you edit the #kopt= line? |
| 14:03.47 | SidGBF | webserver it's just the machine name, should be localserver |
| 14:03.50 | *** join/#debian datacrusher (n=datacrus@200.145.121.55) |
| 14:04.12 | stew | SidGBF: its not in nsswitch.conf then. check /etc/pam.d/passwd and /etc/pam.d/common-password |
| 14:04.17 | Alver | SidGBF: ah, I see. Well, look around in /etc/pam.d/ - I guess some of the basic auth modules are setup to use ldap, you can remove those lines. Make sure to backup them first though. |
| 14:04.20 | abrotman | SidGBF: grep ldap /etc/pam.d/* .. do any files have uncommented ldap lines ? |
| 14:04.29 | ortix | lol |
| 14:04.31 | nachos | stew: yes |
| 14:04.33 | ortix | 3 guys |
| 14:04.34 | *** join/#debian eddieBB (n=eddieBB@cpe-65-185-84-79.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 14:04.36 | *** join/#debian _unnickable_ (n=opera@p5B216709.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:04.36 | ortix | with 3 same awnsers |
| 14:04.37 | ortix | ;d |
| 14:04.43 | nachos | stew: what grub programs do i need to run? |
| 14:04.44 | Alver | Must be that it's the right answer. ;) |
| 14:04.45 | stew | SidGBF: BE CAREFUL when editing files in /etc/pam.d ; its very easy to make your system refuse to let anybody in when screwing up pam |
| 14:04.51 | stew | nachos: update-grub |
| 14:04.53 | *** join/#debian ^DeathKiNG^ (n=TheKiNG@pool-72-81-68-35.phlapa.east.verizon.net) |
| 14:05.04 | stew | nachos: show us your menu.lst ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:05.06 | abrotman | SidGBF: to expand on what stew said .. make sure you can login before you logout |
| 14:05.17 | nachos | stew: then what? |
| 14:05.28 | nachos | stew: install-grub? |
| 14:06.00 | SidGBF | abrotman: lol :D Anyway, I just asked cause you looked mad with something ._. |
| 14:06.14 | *** join/#debian jbasse (n=jbasse@ip-83-99-72-21.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu) |
| 14:06.43 | abrotman | i have rabies |
| 14:06.48 | JAVLANEGERROXAZE | Wrong netwrork |
| 14:07.03 | *** join/#debian jbasse (n=jbasse@ip-83-99-72-21.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu) |
| 14:07.10 | stew | nachos: no, then nothing, just update-grub |
| 14:07.46 | yang | does this mean user shaun has su-ed to superuser http://paste.debian.net/17959/ |
| 14:07.50 | datacrusher | hi folks! iv got debian etch. iv made a backup script, that uses one of my dvd drives to burn the files. iv added umount /dev/hdd on the script, so the volume could be recorded. now, only the other unit mounts automaticaly when i insert a media. How do i have to behave to use the script, and dont screw the automount feature on the gnome? |
| 14:08.38 | abrotman | yang: seems to say that root because shaun |
| 14:08.40 | *** join/#debian zamuroff (n=manuel@190.199.109.137) |
| 14:08.40 | *** part/#debian linostar (i=linostar@warhead.dreamhost.com) |
| 14:08.51 | yang | what |
| 14:09.06 | abrotman | s/because/became/ |
| 14:09.07 | *** join/#debian test1 (n=sadrul@CPE000bdbc4e5ed-CM000a73a9223b.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 14:09.16 | yang | root became shaun? |
| 14:09.30 | yang | isn't shaun triggering su command? |
| 14:10.05 | stew | yang: no, root is |
| 14:10.34 | *** join/#debian abbe (n=faria@chateau.d.lf.at.ipv6.fbsd.in) |
| 14:10.37 | abbe | hi all |
| 14:10.40 | *** join/#debian Computer (n=Computer@unaffiliated/computer) |
| 14:10.40 | yang | funny, i don't know why |
| 14:10.58 | abrotman | yang: i blame root |
| 14:11.16 | abbe | what is the recommended way to change symlink pointing to x-terminal-emulator ? |
| 14:11.37 | stew | abbe: update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator |
| 14:11.38 | abrotman | abbe: update-alternatives |
| 14:11.44 | abbe | stew: oh, thanks :) |
| 14:11.50 | abbe | thanks abrotman |
| 14:11.52 | *** join/#debian entaro (n=entaro@dhcp218-406.yandex.ru) |
| 14:11.54 | *** join/#debian murasame (n=murasame@p57B64779.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:11.57 | *** join/#debian Starwatcher (n=David@67-54-209-63.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 14:12.18 | Computer | Given the choice, and knowing that I want to run Debian Stable, should I choose an Intel Core2 Duo, or an AMD 63 x2? |
| 14:12.27 | Computer | s/63/64 |
| 14:12.41 | nachos | got it, thanks, i just used the 'grub' command line tool |
| 14:12.49 | abrotman | Computer: either one is fine |
| 14:13.01 | abrotman | Computer: the CPU matters less than the chipset it's running on |
| 14:13.09 | *** join/#debian Kbyte (n=kvirc@host149-49-static.29-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 14:13.23 | Computer | Ah. So I should choose a motherboard then? |
| 14:13.33 | bolt-work | Computer: yep |
| 14:13.36 | stew | nachos: show us your menu.lst ; if update-grub is still not getting you the right menu.lst, you are going to have to go through this again the next time you install or upgrade a kernel |
| 14:13.41 | stew | (or remove) |
| 14:13.44 | Computer | What is a good motherboard? |
| 14:13.46 | *** join/#debian potato (n=poetaeto@41.246.30.197) |
| 14:13.55 | nachos | okay stew |
| 14:14.01 | abrotman | Computer: it's easier if you pick one and ask us if it's supported |
| 14:14.12 | Computer | Oh, cool. Debian has a list |
| 14:14.15 | abrotman | Computer: or google |
| 14:14.18 | Computer | i mean debian.org |
| 14:14.22 | abrotman | okay |
| 14:14.27 | bolt-work | Computer: find one which has all you need. preferably with some favorable reviews |
| 14:15.00 | nachos | stew: it works now, odd. now update-grub inserts the right devices. i ran one of the grub commands with --recheck |
| 14:15.01 | SidGBF | finally... clean |
| 14:15.06 | SidGBF | thanks folks |
| 14:15.23 | bolt-work | hands SidGBF a towel |
| 14:15.39 | *** join/#debian kalpik (n=kalpik@unaffiliated/kalpik) |
| 14:16.11 | nachos | www.atomicmpc.com.au, computer parts reviews and forums, Computer. |
| 14:16.14 | *** part/#debian eddieBB (n=eddieBB@cpe-65-185-84-79.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 14:16.54 | *** join/#debian gentlyninja (n=cerpin@dialin-212-144-169-094.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 14:17.03 | *** join/#debian dcnoye (n=dcn113@PollockMega-Mobile241.cac-labs.psu.edu) |
| 14:17.15 | *** join/#debian pistache (n=pistache@athedsl-4502289.home.otenet.gr) |
| 14:17.44 | abrotman | nachos: does that tell him if it will work with etch? |
| 14:17.45 | *** join/#debian xoz_ (n=xoz@116.87.160.16) |
| 14:18.17 | *** join/#debian Azhrarn (n=Azhrarn@hermes.themis-group.com) |
| 14:18.28 | nachos | abrotman: my mistake. |
| 14:18.36 | *** join/#debian xoz__ (n=ppalmes@8hwtn1s.ddns.comp.nus.edu.sg) |
| 14:18.43 | *** join/#debian m0usep0t4t0 (n=Scrooge_@118.94.118.164) |
| 14:18.53 | nachos | abrotman: i saw 'whats a good motherboard' and thaught he ment them in general |
| 14:19.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 877] by debhelper |
| 14:19.10 | *** join/#debian xoz (n=xoz@unaffiliated/xoz) |
| 14:19.35 | *** join/#debian D_ReaL_PuNiShEr (n=flowman4@41.219.213.15) |
| 14:20.22 | *** join/#debian hopecon (n=epoch@76.211.29.74) |
| 14:20.25 | *** join/#debian Df_Yz[sleep] (n=Df_Yz@92.112.205.107) |
| 14:21.21 | *** join/#debian SlackDeb (n=fperetti@201.254.126.59) |
| 14:21.28 | *** join/#debian N1ckR (n=nick@82-47-214-45.cable.ubr11.brad.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 14:22.46 | *** join/#debian xoz_ (n=xoz@116.87.160.16) |
| 14:22.56 | *** join/#debian phdmybest (n=zdb@125.122.38.216) |
| 14:22.56 | Computer | could someone reccomend one of these? http://www.newegg.com/Store/Category.aspx?Category=3&name=Barebone-Mini-Computers |
| 14:23.34 | phdmybest | how could i test the speed of a tmpfs ramdisk? anybody could help? |
| 14:24.53 | Alver | Computer: I've used the asus p2-p5945g with debian, iirc |
| 14:25.15 | abrotman | Computer: pick a *motherboard* |
| 14:25.50 | stew | Computer: it would depend on lots of things. like, what are you going to use it for? |
| 14:26.40 | phdmybest | how do i test the speed of a tmpfs ramdisk? anybody could help? |
| 14:26.40 | pistache | phdmybest : dd if=/dev/zero of=/your/tmpfs |
| 14:27.25 | *** join/#debian screamingbytes (n=screamin@adsl-68-122-8-251.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 14:28.03 | *** join/#debian bbelt16ag (n=erin@97.101.218.223) |
| 14:29.44 | phdmybest | pistache: thank you. but i got a result of 1.6gb/s,then i test the same command at my hard disk. the result is 659mb/s, it seems like that tmpfs is only twice faster than hard disk. |
| 14:30.31 | phdmybest | pistache: but tmpfs should be much faster than hard disk. i wonder if i have taken the wrong way. |
| 14:30.49 | Asymmetry | phdmybest, how long did you let it go? |
| 14:31.00 | Alver | phdmybest: your harddisk does 659 MB/sec? |
| 14:31.03 | *** join/#debian Fjordside (n=Jonas@unaffiliated/fjordside) |
| 14:31.05 | Alver | Quite a drive that must be |
| 14:31.17 | Asymmetry | Either that or all he did was fill the cache. |
| 14:31.21 | *** join/#debian dan-ny (n=danny@ip-88-153-130-228.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 14:31.21 | Alver | I have a feeling you just filled the disk and/or controller cache. |
| 14:31.25 | *** join/#debian Karlprof (i=Karlprof@freenode/staff/karlprof) |
| 14:31.33 | pistache | phdmybest: Asymmetry and Alver are right I think |
| 14:31.43 | jelly | Alver: that usually implies there are more platters involved. I have a raid6 that really does 600-900MB/s |
| 14:32.08 | pistache | Just let it go for longer and it will slow down normally. anyway 1.6gb/s is fast I think |
| 14:32.09 | Asymmetry | RAID6? What's the layout of that? |
| 14:32.23 | phdmybest | Asymmetry:i use the command like this: dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmpfs/testfile bs=1M count=1024 |
| 14:32.33 | Alver | Asymmetry: double protected parity. Like raid 5, but with one extra level. |
| 14:32.40 | jelly | Asymmetry: it's in the wikipedia |
| 14:32.43 | *** join/#debian potato (n=poetaeto@41.246.30.197) |
| 14:32.49 | Asymmetry | Alver, i.e. 4 data, 2 parity? |
| 14:33.01 | jelly | Asymmetry: allows for two disks to die, right |
| 14:33.03 | phdmybest | Asymmetry: i do not use raid. i test the command on a single hard disk. |
| 14:33.23 | jelly | phdmybest: then you're not testing what you think you are |
| 14:33.40 | Alver | using /dev/zero has the annoying side effect that it creates sparse files, which doesn't necessarily write every one of those zeroes |
| 14:33.41 | *** join/#debian Octalot (n=noct@cpc3-hitc1-0-0-cust983.lutn.cable.ntl.com) |
| 14:33.46 | phdmybest | Asymmetry: but the result is amazing. i wonder if i have gone to the wrong way |
| 14:33.56 | Alver | I'd try dd'ing an actual large file - a dvd iso or something. |
| 14:34.03 | Asymmetry | Actually, pipe out /dev/urandom. |
| 14:34.11 | Asymmetry | It'll keep it from sparsing the file. |
| 14:34.22 | jelly | phdmybest: tmpfs shouldn't be much slower than ram, since it pretty much is RAM, backed by swap just in case |
| 14:34.24 | *** join/#debian pobega (n=pobega@pool-98-113-31-8.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 14:34.40 | Asymmetry | phdmybest, try the following commands, and compare: |
| 14:34.54 | Asymmetry | dd if=/dev/urandom of=~/testfile bs=2M count=1024 |
| 14:34.55 | phdmybest | Asymmetry: i test the hard disk by the hdparm and it gave a result like 56.23mb/s which is much different to dd command. |
| 14:35.09 | Alver | phdmybest: that sounds a lot more sane indeed. :) |
| 14:35.12 | Asymmetry | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/tmpfs/testfile bs=2M count=1024 |
| 14:35.16 | *** join/#debian mlniry (n=nonno@ppp-203-115.33-151.iol.it) |
| 14:35.27 | stew | that command could be slowed down by a lack of entropy, however |
| 14:35.35 | jelly | Asymmetry: you think it detects and optimizes out blocks of zeroes like you seem to imply? Any reference? |
| 14:36.00 | Asymmetry | stew, not really. urandom is nonblocking. You're thinking of /dev/random. |
| 14:36.19 | *** join/#debian Lamba (n=Lamba@unaffiliated/lamba) |
| 14:36.32 | Asymmetry | jelly, I don't have a reference for that. I'm just interested in testing it out. :P |
| 14:37.11 | *** join/#debian stoffepojken (n=user@c80-217-82-234.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 14:37.21 | Lamba | is there anything after dpkg -i that needs to be done to get apt upto date with knowing whats installed. i have two debs, i install one, the second says first isn't installed. i install first again, and second goes on fine wtf ? ;-/ |
| 14:37.23 | *** join/#debian Notino (i=joe@128.98.26.50) |
| 14:37.31 | *** join/#debian Wiz126 (i=Wiz126@72.20.229.202) |
| 14:37.56 | Notino | hey all, when i run linux in vm's in windows, i use vm server, now i want windows in vm on debian, do people tend to use vmware aswell, or there a better alternative? |
| 14:38.06 | *** join/#debian XTZGZoReX (i=xtzgzore@0x3e42c894.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 14:38.16 | pistache | Notino > Look at VirtualBox |
| 14:38.17 | Lamba | Notino: virtualbox |
| 14:38.19 | Kobaz | qemu works okay |
| 14:38.21 | Kobaz | hmm |
| 14:38.23 | datacrusher | [Notino]: virtualbox by sun |
| 14:38.23 | Asymmetry | Lamba, what's going on there is that dpkg doesn't, on its own, know how to handle dependencies. |
| 14:38.29 | Notino | cool, il take a look :) |
| 14:38.31 | Asymmetry | Lamba, well, it knows about them, but it can't resolve them. |
| 14:38.38 | Lamba | Asymmetry: yes, i understand this |
| 14:38.41 | *** join/#debian milko_ (n=milko@78.90.16.120) |
| 14:38.53 | Asymmetry | Lamba, try a dpkg -a --configure |
| 14:38.55 | jelly | Notino: vmware-server works. |
| 14:38.56 | Asymmetry | I think that's right... |
| 14:39.07 | Notino | so you recommend virtualbox over vmware? |
| 14:39.11 | milko__ | How to install a set of packages with apt-get and make it not ask any questions? |
| 14:39.37 | *** join/#debian Bravewolf (n=wolf@host-78-12-77-91.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 14:39.54 | Lamba | Asymmetry: why does dpkg work fine the second time package A is installed ?? |
| 14:39.55 | Computer | abrotman, those have motherboards in them :3 |
| 14:40.01 | jelly | Notino: virtualbox (nonfree) has only one feature that vmware-server doesn't, and that's USB2 support. OTOH, virtualbox-ose is free. |
| 14:40.11 | Computer | stew, it's a file server. I am mostly concerned with Debian compatibility and stability |
| 14:40.24 | Asymmetry | Lamba, not sure, honestly. What was the sequence of commands you entered? |
| 14:40.28 | jelly | Notino: IME, vmware is much more mature |
| 14:40.31 | Alver | Virtualbox is better for desktop virtualization (even though vmware workstation is very, very nice too.) |
| 14:40.40 | Asymmetry | Pastebin the log, I might be able to explain what's going on. |
| 14:40.48 | Notino | ok, il stick with vmware as i use it on windows |
| 14:40.54 | DustyDingo | does anyone know, how i can query xrandr, if a screen is on or off? |
| 14:41.15 | Notino | easier for me to move the vm's between nix and windows that way |
| 14:41.18 | *** join/#debian paxcoder (n=paxcoder@78.134.156.95) |
| 14:41.27 | stew | Asymmetry: i thougth it could slwo when there is less entropy though (not block). in any case, /dev/urandom cannot produce bytes fast enough to be a vaild test in this case |
| 14:41.39 | Lamba | dpkg -i A.deb ; dpkg -i B.deb (fails saying depends on A (??!)) ; dpkg -i A.deb ; dpkg -i B.deb (now works) -- that makes no sense to me. |
| 14:41.39 | dpkg | removes a speen from lamba and replaces it with A.deb ; dpkg -i B.deb (fails saying depends on A (??!)) ; dpkg -i A.deb ; dpkg -i B.deb (now works) -- that makes no sense to me. |
| 14:42.05 | *** join/#debian netcrash (n=andre@88.157.32.22) |
| 14:42.17 | *** join/#debian paxcoder_ (n=paxcoder@78.134.156.95) |
| 14:42.17 | phdmybest | Asymmetry: i type the command in a terminal ,but do not got a result at the moment. maybe there are not enough memory in my computer.should i set the command to dd if=/dev/uramdom of=~/testfile bs=1M count=1024 ? |
| 14:42.35 | Asymmetry | phdmybest, you'll get a response when it's done. |
| 14:42.47 | *** join/#debian K_Dallas (n=K_Dallas@i209-195-109-17.cia.com) |
| 14:42.47 | Alver | phdmybest: not getting a result probably means your disk is churning away. Could take a minute or so. |
| 14:42.49 | stew | phdmybest: that would be a test of /dev/urandom, not a test of your filesystem speed |
| 14:42.52 | Asymmetry | phdmybest, however, I think stew might be right. It's not fast enough to be a good test, so you may have to replace urandom with zero. |
| 14:42.58 | *** join/#debian _stack (n=stinco@host80-44-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 14:43.05 | Asymmetry | stew, you're right, I just tested it. |
| 14:43.09 | stew | i only seem to be able to get 4mb/s out of urandom |
| 14:43.26 | jelly | slow urandom is slow |
| 14:43.30 | Asymmetry | gets about 7MB/s. |
| 14:43.57 | *** join/#debian Mirthas (n=greenthu@p508DE67A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:43.58 | phdmybest | Asymmetry: you means that use if=/dev/zero ? |
| 14:44.20 | Asymmetry | Yes. |
| 14:44.26 | Alver | phdmybest: don't you have some large iso file somewhere? |
| 14:44.36 | stew | oh, i was using the default blocksize |
| 14:44.51 | Asymmetry | stew, of one byte? |
| 14:44.58 | phdmybest | Alver: yes ,i have a 700M iso file . |
| 14:44.59 | stew | Asymmetry: no, default is 512 |
| 14:45.14 | Asymmetry | stew, is it? Every time I don't specify a block size, it goes byte-by-byte. |
| 14:45.42 | Kobaz | i get about 4megs a second with urandom too |
| 14:45.51 | stew | Asymmetry: yes, it is 512 (the usual size of one sector). for cp it is 4mb on most arches |
| 14:46.47 | *** join/#debian Gryfelhase (n=Gryflhas@p4FD23AA1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:47.06 | phdmybest | Asymmetry: i used dd if=/dev/zero of=~/testfile bs=2M count=1024 ,got a result of 1.2GB /s |
| 14:47.11 | milko__ | How to install a set of packages with apt-get and make it not ask any questions? |
| 14:47.38 | Alver | sparse files. |
| 14:47.44 | Asymmetry | Definitely sparse files. |
| 14:47.55 | Asymmetry | phdmybest, what device hosts /home? |
| 14:48.00 | *** join/#debian entaro (n=entaro@dhcp218-406.yandex.ru) |
| 14:48.18 | phdmybest | Asymmetry: the tmfps ramdisk |
| 14:48.28 | Asymmetry | rofl |
| 14:48.30 | Asymmetry | THAT'S why. |
| 14:48.31 | *** join/#debian esaym (n=user@cpe-70-120-89-6.satx.res.rr.com) |
| 14:48.35 | Alver | Oy. No wonder. |
| 14:48.37 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! Being totally fed up with XP (or vista for that matter) I have finally decided to install Debian and only use XP in a virtual manner. Here are my questions: Q1. Do I need to prepare any special partition for Windows (I know I dont need it in the VM but in case there is something I am overseeing). |
| 14:48.38 | Asymmetry | I was assuming that home was on a disk. |
| 14:48.45 | K_Dallas | Q2: Would I be able to install games as simple as nancy drew in the VM? Q3: Is expertgui safe? thanks |
| 14:48.55 | Asymmetry | phdmybest, you need to output one of the testfiles to a hard disk. |
| 14:48.56 | MacGyverNL | <milko__> How to install a set of packages with apt-get and make it not ask any questions? <-- -y |
| 14:49.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 885] by debhelper |
| 14:49.06 | jelly | phdmybest: what are you really trying to do? |
| 14:49.07 | *** join/#debian D_R_P (n=flowman4@41.219.235.112) |
| 14:49.20 | mquin | K_Dallas: not if you're planning on running virtualisation software (such as VMware or VirtualBox) - it'll happily run XP from an image file |
| 14:49.40 | milko__ | MacGyverNL: It still does ask question and doesn't work from a script. |
| 14:50.09 | K_Dallas | mquin, thanks. Would it be easily possible to backup the XP installation as VM so in case it got infected, I could quickly revive it? |
| 14:50.18 | phdmybest | Asymmetry: i want to compare the read and write speed between tmpfs ramdisk and normal hard disk. i do not know how to do this? could you help me out ? |
| 14:50.18 | *** join/#debian magnet (n=magnet@silmaril.mithrandir.net) |
| 14:50.20 | *** join/#debian unixslut (n=rip@modemcable039.139-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 14:50.51 | abrotman | MacGyverNL: that doesn't work for debconf questions |
| 14:50.55 | Asymmetry | phdmybest, okay, what portions of your filesystem reside on a physical disk? |
| 14:50.55 | K_Dallas | phdmybest, I might be totally wrong but you might want to look into hdparm |
| 14:50.56 | MacGyverNL | Oh, right. |
| 14:50.59 | MacGyverNL | My mistake. |
| 14:51.14 | Alver | phdmybest: dd the 700MB iso file from your disk to your homedir (disk read), from homedir to disk (disk write), and from homedir to homedir (tmpfs read/write) |
| 14:51.46 | Alver | (and yes, hdparm for the disk is more than enough) |
| 14:52.12 | phdmybest | Alver: could you give me a detail command . i am really new to debian. |
| 14:52.41 | phdmybest | K_Dallas: thanks . but hdparm could not do test on my tmpfs ramdisk. |
| 14:53.04 | K_Dallas | phdmybest, no problem. |
| 14:53.20 | K_Dallas | I wasnt sure as i said |
| 14:53.47 | *** join/#debian WormFood (n=wormfood@59.40.10.27) |
| 14:53.51 | *** join/#debian surgeon_ (n=surgeon@ruede.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE) |
| 14:54.02 | stew | Alver: hdparm doesn't give him useful information for what he is trying to do |
| 14:54.07 | K_Dallas | Q4: To have a multilingual keymap, do I need to choose pc-style keyboard or the one in the kernel would suffice? Thanks |
| 14:54.12 | stew | phdmybest: have a look at bonnie++ |
| 14:54.18 | phdmybest | Asymmetry: i have no portions on my physical disk. i made a memory based debian system. all my files are on memory , but i can mount a physical disk to my /mnt |
| 14:54.25 | Alver | stew: for the tmpfs definitely not, but for vague estimates on the harddisk? |
| 14:54.37 | *** join/#debian d0lphin_n0el (n=0pensour@85.138.87.170) |
| 14:54.46 | *** join/#debian Hoxzer (n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 14:55.30 | milko__ | Hm, I managed to do it with DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive |
| 14:56.14 | *** join/#debian bkashaf (n=bkashaf@89.144.179.67) |
| 14:56.53 | phdmybest | stew: i tried bonnie++, but it made me despair. as i mentioned above. i made a memory based debian system. bonnie++ told me to create a file which is twice to my memory . but as you can see, my momery is 3GB in total. so the file bonnie++ required is 6GB, but i do not have so much memory. |
| 14:58.04 | stew | phdmybest: it has a command line switch for how much space to use |
| 14:58.38 | *** join/#debian Starwatcher (n=David@67-54-209-63.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 14:58.52 | *** join/#debian shyam_k (n=user@117.196.141.199) |
| 14:58.59 | phdmybest | stew: which switch? |
| 14:59.06 | stew | phdmybest: man bonnie++ |
| 14:59.20 | *** join/#debian shiloh7_ (n=shiloh7@24-241-228-129.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) |
| 14:59.35 | shyam_k | hi another display problem..does anyone noticed problem with amd centronix motherboard with nvidia card..my friend just gets a blank screen as he freshly boots up lenny after install.. |
| 15:00.07 | shyam_k | and his /var/log/Xorg.0.log has no EE ends by configuring mouse.. |
| 15:00.15 | shiloh7_ | does anyone feel like answering a few q's for a noob? |
| 15:00.20 | *** join/#debian murasame_ (n=murasame@p57B647FB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:00.23 | abrotman | !ask |
| 15:00.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:00.51 | *** join/#debian cahoot (n=radix@pdpc/supporter/active/cahoot) |
| 15:01.01 | shyam_k | startx says something about KEYSIM |
| 15:01.17 | shyam_k | sorry i dont have physical access to my friend's system:) |
| 15:01.30 | shiloh7_ | abrotman, cool, ty, question being, i am picking a distro and am thinking debian is best, what version do i get? and is net install the best way to go? |
| 15:01.34 | shyam_k | its remote(remote(debian_troubleshooting)) |
| 15:01.54 | Lyk4n8rwp0S | hello. I burned the netistall of etchnhalf and proceeded to installation I get an error again on "kernel : hda: media error (bad sector): status=0x51 {DriveReadySeekComplete Error} |
| 15:01.55 | wols_ | shyam_k: then remotely log on or let your friend pastebin the Xorg log |
| 15:01.57 | abrotman | shiloh7_: probably start with etch depending on your hardware ... look for the etchnhalf netinst ISO |
| 15:02.10 | Lyk4n8rwp0S | "kernel : hda: media error (bad sector): status=0x30 LastFailedSense=0x03} |
| 15:02.20 | wols_ | Lyk4n8rwp0S: run smartmonzools long test. the hdd is probably dead |
| 15:02.22 | abrotman | shiloh7_: the software is a bit older but you should have less broken bits |
| 15:02.22 | *** join/#debian chomwitt_ (n=chomwitt@adsl63-205.ath.forthnet.gr) |
| 15:02.42 | Alver | Lyk4n8rwp0S: looks like a hardware problem with your hda |
| 15:02.43 | Lyk4n8rwp0S | kernel : ide : failed: opcode was : unknown |
| 15:02.46 | *** join/#debian Absolute0 (n=User@69.38.173.222) |
| 15:03.06 | shiloh7_ | abrotman, ty, i tried the fedora 8 and 9, had two kernel updates in two months that crashed me, needless to say i am giving up on feora |
| 15:03.08 | Absolute0 | Would compiling and installing the latest kernel in etch break the system? |
| 15:03.16 | Lyk4n8rwp0S | I was using the hda just a while ago |
| 15:03.21 | *** join/#debian TRD (n=s-eddine@41.221.19.193) |
| 15:03.22 | abrotman | shiloh7_: oh .. that doesn't sound good |
| 15:03.24 | *** join/#debian Yvonne (n=Yvonne@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne) |
| 15:03.25 | Lyk4n8rwp0S | when it went dead? During the installation? |
| 15:03.30 | Alver | Absolute0: if you know what you're doing, no, not at all |
| 15:03.31 | abrotman | Absolute0: depends what options you compile in |
| 15:03.44 | *** join/#debian shingalated (n=chris@155.42.84.249) |
| 15:03.49 | abrotman | !tell Absolute0 about etchnhalf |
| 15:03.59 | wols_ | Lyk4n8rwp0S: before. you just didn't use the bad sector before. e.g. it had a file you never neded |
| 15:03.59 | dudeman | well |
| 15:04.02 | Absolute0 | Alver: so non of the packages will break? |
| 15:04.10 | shingalated | Does anyone know how to disable CPU frequency scaling? |
| 15:04.24 | Alver | Absolute0: if you don't cut stuff that is needed by your actual system, you should be fine |
| 15:04.31 | *** join/#debian hjb (n=bellsout@p4FC81A8A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:04.33 | *** join/#debian wireddd (n=wired@unaffiliated/wireddd) |
| 15:04.38 | Absolute0 | Alver: well i could use the default config |
| 15:04.49 | *** join/#debian xefi (n=xefi@102.Red-83-39-253.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:04.50 | Lyk4n8rwp0S | how can I check for bad sectors? |
| 15:04.51 | Alver | Experience has taught me not to bother unless there's hardware support missing in the default debian kernels though. |
| 15:05.02 | Absolute0 | abrotman: I need 2.6.26 for my wireless card to work |
| 15:05.15 | abrotman | need? |
| 15:05.15 | *** join/#debian acephalous (n=Scrooge_@118.94.118.164) |
| 15:05.18 | abrotman | which card is it? |
| 15:05.31 | Kobaz | Lyk4n8rwp0S: man badblocks |
| 15:05.39 | Alver | Absolute0: there's 2.6.26 in sid - you *could* try to get the .deb. No guarantees though. |
| 15:05.44 | wols_ | Lyk4n8rwp0S: I told you, with smartmontools |
| 15:05.55 | Absolute0 | rtl8185 |
| 15:05.56 | Kobaz | Lyk4n8rwp0S: smartmontools is also good |
| 15:05.58 | wols_ | Absolute0: 2.6.26 is in backports IIRC |
| 15:06.02 | abrotman | !tell Absolute0 about bpo |
| 15:06.10 | Alver | Oh, backports, even better. :) |
| 15:06.10 | shyam_k | wols_: nvidia geforce x6100 nforce 405 is his graphics card and unfortunately he dont have internet:( |
| 15:06.13 | liable | 26 is in lenny even |
| 15:06.27 | *** join/#debian shogunx (n=shogunx@rrcs-24-73-158-97.se.biz.rr.com) |
| 15:06.31 | wols_ | shyam_k: what driver? |
| 15:06.46 | Absolute0 | Why is debian so old fashioned? :( |
| 15:06.49 | abrotman | liable: and backports.org |
| 15:06.55 | abrotman | Absolute0: no one is forcing you to use debian |
| 15:06.55 | *** join/#debian xefi (n=xefi@102.Red-83-39-253.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:07.02 | Absolute0 | but its rock solid! |
| 15:07.03 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 15:07.04 | shyam_k | wols_: driver? i donno he just had a fresh lenny install..he hasnt done anything particular for the driver.. |
| 15:07.20 | Absolute0 | I guess the stability comes at a price |
| 15:07.23 | *** join/#debian sioraiocht (n=sioraioc@worc-student-nat.worc.ox.ac.uk) |
| 15:07.32 | wols_ | shyam_k: I told you what we need |
| 15:07.32 | Absolute0 | I'll need to remember to buy old hardware next time :() |
| 15:07.56 | *** join/#debian zeta (i=zeta@user146-92.wireless.utoronto.ca) |
| 15:08.21 | shiloh7_ | abrotman, would the mini ISO netboot be best to ensure the correct package selection? |
| 15:08.32 | Lyk4n8rwp0S | can I use smartmontools through the live-cd-etch-n-half or is it necessary to have it done by a live cd through their section? |
| 15:08.38 | Lyk4n8rwp0S | in sourceforge? |
| 15:08.41 | shyam_k | wols_: :( sorry cant provide paste of logs atm.. but can say it dont have EE but II and WW:) and ends with configuring mouse:) |
| 15:08.49 | *** part/#debian xefirot (n=xefi@102.Red-83-39-253.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:09.05 | abrotman | shiloh7_: the netinst etchnhalf |
| 15:09.07 | *** join/#debian Notino (i=joe@128.98.26.50) |
| 15:09.29 | abrotman | shiloh7_: i386 ? |
| 15:09.31 | Notino | hey, im installing vmserver, but i need my C header files for my kernal, how cna i get those? |
| 15:09.33 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso |
| 15:09.37 | Notino | their not where the installer is saying they are |
| 15:09.42 | abrotman | !b-e Notino |
| 15:09.42 | dpkg | Notino: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 15:09.49 | wols_ | Lyk4n8rwp0S: you can use smartmontools with anything |
| 15:09.53 | shiloh7_ | abrotman, yes i386 |
| 15:09.54 | *** join/#debian tigersuit (n=bastian@xdsl-213-168-111-10.netcologne.de) |
| 15:10.06 | Computer | Can anyone tell me about the Intel G31 chipset (Intel DG31PR motherboard) and compatibility with Debian Stable? |
| 15:10.08 | wols_ | Notino: by apt-getting like anything else |
| 15:10.13 | shiloh7_ | abrotman, again tyvm :) |
| 15:10.14 | Notino | i have b-e |
| 15:10.18 | wols_ | Absolute0: kernel headers are not part of b-e |
| 15:10.22 | shingalated | Does anyone know how to disable CPU frequency scaling? |
| 15:10.25 | abrotman | linux-headers will be needed also |
| 15:10.28 | Notino | wols_: but what am i getitng? |
| 15:10.48 | wols_ | Notino: the linux-headers package for your kernel |
| 15:10.59 | abrotman | stew: do you know if there is a -www channel ? |
| 15:11.11 | *** part/#debian Absolute0 (n=User@69.38.173.222) |
| 15:12.13 | shiloh7_ | abrotman, is etchnhalf also compatble with laptops? |
| 15:12.22 | stew | abrotman: there is |
| 15:12.25 | shiloh7_ | sorry if my questions are over noobish |
| 15:12.34 | wols_ | shiloh7_: yes |
| 15:12.38 | *** join/#debian grub (n=grub@last.fm/user/grub) |
| 15:13.25 | cahoot | shingalated: I'd try look into /etc/default/cpufrequtils |
| 15:13.56 | abrotman | shiloh7_: shuld be fine |
| 15:14.02 | dudeman | a www channel? |
| 15:14.22 | *** join/#debian K_Dallas_ (n=K_Dallas@i209-195-111-65.cia.com) |
| 15:14.29 | shiloh7_ | sweet, i am excited to try it, dl is done and burning now |
| 15:14.34 | shiloh7_ | ;) |
| 15:15.22 | phdmybest | stew: bonnie++ 's man page is so simple. i do not know how to use bonnie++ at all. |
| 15:15.30 | Alver | Has anyone experienced issues with klaptop refusing to suspend a laptop as user? Root can do it just fine. My user is member of netdev, plugdev and powerdev. |
| 15:15.31 | *** join/#debian kasimon (n=user@cable-89-16-128-130.cust.blue-cable.de) |
| 15:15.43 | *** join/#debian smica (n=smica@pool156-231.cable.tolna.net) |
| 15:15.55 | *** join/#debian geogre (n=yydoow@116.232.186.255) |
| 15:16.51 | shingalated | cahoot, I do not have /etc/default/cpufrequtils...but my CPU is limited to 800MHz |
| 15:17.23 | cahoot | shingalated: what laptop? |
| 15:17.29 | phdmybest | stew:i start bonnie++ at last. but got a disk full error. |
| 15:17.49 | *** join/#debian arxus (n=arxus@68.Red-81-37-77.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:17.54 | *** join/#debian qwe (n=qwe@86.57.137.7) |
| 15:18.02 | *** part/#debian arxus (n=arxus@68.Red-81-37-77.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:18.15 | *** join/#debian jose_oliveira (n=jose@200.198.212.5) |
| 15:18.32 | kasimon | hi, what does the @ in the following line mean, it's part of a debian/rules file: |
| 15:18.32 | cahoot | shingalated: this might be of interest: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_CPU_frequency_scaling |
| 15:18.33 | kasimon | @sysname=`./configure --print-sysname`; |
| 15:19.06 | *** join/#debian rswarbrick (n=rupert@cpc2-cove3-0-0-cust513.sol2.cable.ntl.com) |
| 15:19.22 | shingalated | cahoot, it is a MSI-1221 |
| 15:19.44 | hjb | shingalated lsmod | grep cpufreq ? |
| 15:19.54 | *** join/#debian tobias (n=tobias@user-0c8hj2l.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 15:19.57 | hjb | shingalated do you have acpi_cpufreq module loaded? |
| 15:20.20 | shingalated | yes |
| 15:20.36 | shingalated | quite a few cpufreq related ones |
| 15:20.49 | shingalated | but it is like the article says the battery is always removed |
| 15:21.23 | hjb | shingalated the battery ?! |
| 15:21.58 | *** join/#debian potato (n=poetaeto@41.246.30.197) |
| 15:22.09 | shingalated | it has become sort of my desktop, I don't have the battery. |
| 15:22.27 | shingalated | the article says without the battery it is locked to the lowest frequency and there is no solution |
| 15:22.44 | *** join/#debian Theoden (n=Theoden_@c-71-198-29-177.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 15:22.54 | hjb | shingalated Hmm, did you take a look into your BIOS Settings? |
| 15:23.14 | hjb | shingalated The article says it's by bad BIOS implementation |
| 15:23.51 | hjb | shingalated But maybe there's a setting for it in your bios' options somewhere under "power management" or something |
| 15:23.58 | shingalated | I'm just gonna uninstall cpufrequtils...I don't really need it on a desktop |
| 15:23.59 | *** join/#debian veganlion (n=veganlio@Paa4d.p.pppool.de) |
| 15:24.06 | *** join/#debian nergoza (i=x@bzq-84-109-70-141.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 15:24.08 | nergoza | hi |
| 15:24.22 | nergoza | can anyone give me sources to APT in NL for my debian 4 ? |
| 15:24.29 | stew | phdmybest: how did you run bonnie++? |
| 15:25.31 | nergoza | anyone ? |
| 15:25.48 | hjb | shingalated How will that solve your problem? |
| 15:25.50 | stew | kasimon: that the command shouldn't be echoed |
| 15:25.55 | *** join/#debian D_ReaL_PuNiShEr (n=flowman4@41.219.248.145) |
| 15:26.15 | kasimon | stew: thx. |
| 15:26.18 | *** part/#debian kasimon (n=user@cable-89-16-128-130.cust.blue-cable.de) |
| 15:26.19 | shingalated | if I remove all the cpufreq modules it shouldn't throttle the CPU, correct? |
| 15:26.28 | *** join/#debian Starwatcher (n=David@67-54-209-63.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 15:27.02 | jelly | shingalated: wrong |
| 15:27.28 | jelly | shingalated: echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 15:27.57 | *** join/#debian Gunirus (n=Gunirus@ip-81-11-211-128.dsl.scarlet.be) |
| 15:28.04 | hjb | shingalated jelly If the throtteling is done by the BIOS, no |
| 15:28.28 | shingalated | I'm pretty sure it is in the OS |
| 15:28.46 | jelly | hjb: I'm assuming he has a recent machine, though |
| 15:28.50 | shingalated | yes |
| 15:28.54 | hjb | shingalated ahh ok |
| 15:29.03 | nergoza | can anyone give me sources to APT in NL for my debian 4 ? |
| 15:29.04 | shingalated | jelly, echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor did nothing it is still at 8000MHz |
| 15:29.05 | hjb | shingalated was biased by the article |
| 15:29.10 | shingalated | 800* |
| 15:29.17 | *** join/#debian Duddle (n=Duddle@91-67-60-19-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 15:29.20 | *** join/#debian Raylz (n=bernhard@85-126-206-52.teleworker.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 15:29.37 | hjb | shingalated what does cpufreq-info outputs for your machine? |
| 15:29.44 | hjb | shingalated like the figures in the article? |
| 15:29.52 | jelly | shingalated: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_{max,min}_freq ? |
| 15:29.56 | Raylz | hi, does anyone have problems with ekiga in lenny too? |
| 15:29.59 | stew | nergoza: "/msg dpkg sources.list" use nl for your country code |
| 15:30.19 | shingalated | current CPU frequency is 800 MHz (asserted by call to hardware). |
| 15:30.32 | shingalated | on both cores |
| 15:30.36 | dudeman | hm |
| 15:30.53 | dudeman | Raylz, just check the lenny bug tracker |
| 15:30.58 | shingalated | it should be 1.8GHz |
| 15:30.59 | cahoot | shingalated: what kernel? |
| 15:31.07 | dudeman | !tell Raylz -about bts |
| 15:31.10 | *** join/#debian lbt (n=david@78.32.229.233) |
| 15:31.14 | shingalated | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 15:31.15 | chomwitt_ | if i install etch-backport of gtk-2.10 in order to run iceweasel3 will there be dependeny problems of packages needing gtk+2.8 ? |
| 15:31.15 | jelly | shingalated: I have no idea, then, it might even be bios, use the higher level tools, etc etc :-) |
| 15:31.37 | jelly | expected that cat to return some numbers |
| 15:31.44 | dudeman | hjb, /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 15:31.57 | cahoot | shingalated: 2.6.26 here and cpufreq works as intended |
| 15:31.58 | *** join/#debian shyam_k` (n=user@117.196.142.48) |
| 15:31.59 | dudeman | oh |
| 15:32.02 | dudeman | misfire |
| 15:32.05 | *** join/#debian syntropy (n=nodoubts@unaffiliated/syntropy) |
| 15:32.06 | dudeman | nergoza, /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 15:32.08 | syntropy | anyone familiar with linux kernel internals here? |
| 15:32.16 | jelly | syntropy: ##kernel ? |
| 15:32.19 | shingalated | jelly, cat returned 800000 800000 |
| 15:32.22 | hjb | shingalated cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors |
| 15:32.42 | *** join/#debian onx (n=onx@unaffiliated/onx) |
| 15:32.47 | jelly | shingalated: echo something else into them |
| 15:32.56 | dudeman | chomwitt_, I shouldn't think so |
| 15:33.21 | dudeman | chomwitt_, there are guides on how to setup iceweasel3 in debian |
| 15:33.22 | shingalated | hjb, cat returned "ondemand performance" |
| 15:33.22 | syntropy | jelly: I'm in the process of thrying to start a brainstorm group with knowledgeable people on the subject of kernel initialization times |
| 15:33.35 | dudeman | chomwitt_, http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php |
| 15:33.42 | Alver | shingalated: that means it'll use as much cpu as is needed - which is the lowest, usually. My laptop does the same. |
| 15:33.53 | chomwitt_ | dudeman: i found guides for firefox3 , i'd like to install the deb package of iceweasel. |
| 15:33.54 | stew | syntropy: try #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:33.54 | dudeman | !firefox 3 etch |
| 15:33.54 | dpkg | Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it (if you believe that a backport will ever come...) |
| 15:33.58 | shingalated | jelly, it only allows ondemand and performance it seems it is already on ondemand |
| 15:34.16 | *** join/#debian onx^ (n=onx@unaffiliated/onx) |
| 15:34.19 | themill | chomwitt_: which backport of gtk is this you're planning to install? |
| 15:34.20 | *** join/#debian cousin_luigi (n=luigi@unaffiliated/cousinluigi/x-395723) |
| 15:34.23 | cousin_luigi | evening |
| 15:34.25 | dudeman | 2.10 mil |
| 15:34.35 | syntropy | stew: It's not for help as I can fully maintain the things myself, I just want others' input and ideas |
| 15:34.56 | jelly | shingalated: do you have any utilities to manage those settings installed? Have you read their documentation? |
| 15:35.01 | stew | syntropy: yes, try #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:35.04 | chomwitt_ | themill: i found one in http://apt.linex.org , is there another more official ? |
| 15:35.22 | dudeman | chomwitt_, search sebian-administration.org |
| 15:35.26 | dudeman | fuck |
| 15:35.31 | dudeman | debian-administration.org |
| 15:35.32 | shingalated | jelly, no I have no extra utilities installed...just what omes with lenny |
| 15:35.37 | *** part/#debian syntropy (n=nodoubts@unaffiliated/syntropy) |
| 15:35.54 | enouf | syntropy is a goner |
| 15:35.55 | themill | chomwitt_: no there isn't. That's why I'm wondering. Picking a random gtk package from a random website doesn't sound like a good way of going about things. |
| 15:35.55 | dudeman | or debianhelp.co.uk or something I remember seeing some stuff about iceweasel3 there |
| 15:36.28 | jelly | shingalated: I have no idea what comes with the installation you selected. dpkg -l \*cpufreq\* | tail -n +6 | grep '^.i' |
| 15:36.29 | cousin_luigi | how can I downgrade a lib and hold that version? |
| 15:36.53 | jelly | shingalated: I mean, have you tried configuring it using the tools already installed? |
| 15:37.06 | shingalated | with cpufrequtils? |
| 15:37.13 | enouf | shingalated: also might want to review ./Documentation/cpu* dirs/files |
| 15:37.18 | jelly | shingalated: if that's what's installed, yes |
| 15:37.30 | *** join/#debian xBill (n=dario@p4FD0427F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:37.36 | enouf | !cpufreq |
| 15:37.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cpufreq is a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle. |
| 15:37.43 | enouf | meh |
| 15:38.08 | cahoot | shingalated: what does cat /sys/module/processor/parameters/ignore_ppc return? |
| 15:38.25 | *** join/#debian KaRiM_ (i=Tgl0be@41.201.247.9) |
| 15:38.28 | *** join/#debian gangsterlicious (n=terii@auscn75.lim.com) |
| 15:38.35 | shingalated | cahoot: 0 |
| 15:38.40 | jelly | shingalated: for example, /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils seems like a good start |
| 15:38.49 | enouf | shingalated: anyways, those docs come with kernel source, and/or can be installed through debian pkgs as linux-doc(?) or similar - or browsed on the www |
| 15:39.02 | cahoot | shingalated: try echo '1' > /sys/module/processor/parameters/ignore_ppc |
| 15:39.08 | stew | cousin_luigi: i'd recommend using aptitude, where + will intall a version and = will put it on hold. you can also "aptitude install package=version" and "/msg dpkg hold" |
| 15:39.34 | shingalated | well even if I use cpufreq-selector -g performance, it sets it to performance but I still get 800MHz |
| 15:39.35 | cahoot | shingalated: then echo '2001000' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq |
| 15:39.52 | cousin_luigi | thanks stew |
| 15:40.06 | nergoza | each time i run aptitude update |
| 15:40.30 | nergoza | its stocks at 99% |
| 15:40.32 | shingalated | still 800 |
| 15:40.35 | *** join/#debian shyam_k`` (n=user@117.196.139.231) |
| 15:40.45 | nergoza | [7 packages bzip2 0] |
| 15:40.56 | jelly | shingalated: and if you set the scaling_min_freq as well? |
| 15:41.10 | *** join/#debian Matic`Makovec_ (n=biggi_ma@193.77.138.57) |
| 15:41.26 | *** join/#debian Matic`Makovec_ (n=biggi_ma@193.77.138.57) |
| 15:41.27 | *** join/#debian g0n (i=ggon@171.Red-80-38-102.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:41.48 | *** join/#debian floe_ (n=flo@e177093057.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 15:43.15 | *** part/#debian grub (n=grub@last.fm/user/grub) |
| 15:44.12 | *** join/#debian Ajedrez (n=kvirc@207.13.77.32) |
| 15:44.15 | shingalated | if I try and set scaling_min_freq I get invalid argument unless I use something really low |
| 15:44.24 | shingalated | echo '1800000' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq |
| 15:44.24 | shingalated | bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument |
| 15:45.34 | n3kl | shingalated: perhaps your processor does not support that frequency? |
| 15:45.42 | *** join/#debian Nighteye (n=n8oog@99-2-49-135.lightspeed.wtfdct.sbcglobal.net) |
| 15:46.08 | shingalated | it says it does: available frequency steps: 1.80 GHz, 1.80 GHz, 1.20 GHz, 800 MHz |
| 15:47.23 | n3kl | shingalated: whats wrong with using a cpu scaling tool to do this instead of proc? |
| 15:47.42 | n3kl | or a module? |
| 15:48.21 | n3kl | shingalated: chances are it supports 1.8G, but its like 1800312 or something |
| 15:48.36 | *** join/#debian bartvk (n=bartvk__@91.195.201.27) |
| 15:48.42 | *** join/#debian chomwitt (n=chomwitt@ppp116-89.adsl.forthnet.gr) |
| 15:48.46 | n3kl | I have never seen a cpu that was *exactly* what speed was advertised |
| 15:49.10 | shingalated | anyway to find out? |
| 15:49.15 | jelly | shingalated: take a look at the files in that directory |
| 15:50.05 | karlpinc | What's the story with /proc anyhow? Is it getting replaced with /sys or does /proc do something that /sys does not? |
| 15:50.06 | jelly | shingalated: one filename might offer clues as to what frequency settings are valid |
| 15:50.18 | aliases123 | anyone know if dreamhost gives free whois privacy ? |
| 15:50.20 | shingalated | cat cpuinfo_max_freq |
| 15:50.20 | shingalated | 1801000 |
| 15:50.30 | shingalated | is that what I want to use? |
| 15:50.49 | n3kl | yeah, but again, what is wrong with using cpufrequtils or something? |
| 15:50.55 | hjb | karlpinc i think initially /proc stands for "processes" and should provide information about currently running processes |
| 15:51.01 | hjb | in form of filesystem |
| 15:51.20 | shingalated | n3kl, cpufrequtils is not working |
| 15:51.23 | hjb | karlpinc linux kernel moved a lot of cunfigration switches and system information into /proc, too |
| 15:51.47 | n3kl | shingalated: um, alright. WHat is not working about it? |
| 15:51.52 | jelly | shingalated: cpufrequtils uses the very same interface you're now accessing manually |
| 15:51.56 | *** join/#debian joaop (n=joaop@unaffiliated/joaop) |
| 15:51.56 | hjb | karlpinc and i think that stuff is now beeing migrated into /sys |
| 15:52.06 | *** join/#debian binrapt (i=binrapt@e180073224.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 15:52.07 | hjb | karlpinc but i just guess |
| 15:52.23 | n3kl | shingalated: it should allow you to sed the governor as well as the cpu frequency if needed |
| 15:52.26 | jelly | shingalated: have you taken a look at which files exist in that directory? |
| 15:52.26 | *** join/#debian potato (n=poetaeto@41.246.30.197) |
| 15:52.28 | joaop | can i use XDMCP remote connection using ssh connection? |
| 15:52.38 | shingalated | yes |
| 15:52.44 | shingalated | the governer is set to performance |
| 15:52.49 | shingalated | but I still have 800MHz |
| 15:52.58 | jelly | shingalated: did any filename offer a clue to possible validfreq settings? |
| 15:53.04 | hjb | shingalated sorry for asking: do you have any other OS installed on that laptop? |
| 15:54.07 | enouf | shingalated: is that an AMD CPU or Intel? and which kernel version are you using? do uname -r |
| 15:54.16 | karlpinc | joapp: Sure. You just need to tunnel the right ports. |
| 15:54.23 | *** join/#debian felix-da-catz (n=felxidac@65.111.164.178) |
| 15:54.36 | shingalated | jelly, 1801000 but that didn't work for min_freq |
| 15:54.40 | *** join/#debian chomwitt1 (n=chomwitt@adsl7-157.ath.forthnet.gr) |
| 15:54.45 | shingalated | hjb, no just debian |
| 15:54.46 | n3kl | shingalated: /msg dpkg xdmcp |
| 15:54.47 | enouf | shingalated: (and does that happen to be a macintel?) |
| 15:54.52 | jelly | shingalated: where did you find that value? |
| 15:54.56 | shingalated | enouf, it is a core 2 duo |
| 15:55.08 | *** join/#debian CharminTheMoose (n=Count_fu@unaffiliated/charminthemoose) |
| 15:55.34 | shingalated | jelly, cat scaling_available_frequencies |
| 15:55.34 | shingalated | 1801000 1800000 1200000 800000 |
| 15:55.40 | enouf | shingalated: any SpeedStep related settings in the BIOS that might need enbling/disabling? (just a guess) |
| 15:56.36 | shingalated | I will go check the BIOS now |
| 15:56.38 | n3kl | Trying to change a password, I get this: passwd: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. |
| 15:56.42 | enouf | shingalated: kernel version? + macintel? |
| 15:56.45 | jelly | shingalated: phew. good. can you echo 1801000 >> scaling_setspeed ? |
| 15:56.55 | jelly | or at least 1800000? |
| 15:57.10 | *** part/#debian cousin_luigi (n=luigi@unaffiliated/cousinluigi/x-395723) |
| 15:57.27 | Asymmetry | Haha, wow. I should never do that again. |
| 15:57.49 | shingalated | jelly, both of those say invalid argument |
| 15:57.53 | Asymmetry | I tried to start a GNOME session via X forwarding. |
| 15:58.03 | enouf | joaop: not sure, might want to check your /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc type files (for example) |
| 15:58.07 | jelly | shingalated: weird |
| 15:58.15 | *** join/#debian prolix (n=user@c-76-28-238-157.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 15:58.32 | *** join/#debian MFD (n=MFD@fny94-7-82-246-137-146.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 15:58.32 | *** part/#debian phdmybest (n=zdb@125.122.38.216) |
| 15:58.46 | shingalated | I'm going to check my BIOS now |
| 15:58.48 | *** join/#debian bfremon (n=ben@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-223-35.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 15:59.06 | *** join/#debian Laeborg (n=Laeborg@ip0x5727f1.pip.mvb.dk) |
| 15:59.32 | enouf | joaop: actually, i see this -> Xaccess - Access control file for XDMCP connections in file:///etc/kde3/kdm/Xaccess (again, example) |
| 15:59.42 | adama | should be echo 1801000 >scaling_setspeed should it not? |
| 15:59.51 | adama | not >> |
| 16:00.24 | enouf | joaop: you'd have to figure out where the gdm/xdm equivalents are - i think maybe xdm resides in /etc/X11/* ? (dunno) |
| 16:00.45 | *** join/#debian netj (n=netj@121.168.197.74) |
| 16:01.37 | enouf | hehe, wow, many xdm references in the kdm file :-P |
| 16:01.59 | Kumool | is there a less with syntax highlight? |
| 16:02.44 | *** join/#debian n3kl (n=n3kl@c-24-8-165-101.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 16:03.20 | jelly | Kumool: vim called as view? |
| 16:03.28 | *** part/#debian rswarbrick (n=rupert@cpc2-cove3-0-0-cust513.sol2.cable.ntl.com) |
| 16:03.38 | joaop | enouf, humm nice, let me see |
| 16:03.42 | Kumool | vim takes long for browsing |
| 16:03.45 | Kumool | for me at least |
| 16:04.44 | Kumool | im actually better opening some syntax highlighted format on geany... |
| 16:05.08 | Kumool | which is strange... iv always tought that things by terminal should run faster |
| 16:05.17 | Kumool | thought* |
| 16:08.05 | n3kl | anyone know why I am getting this: passwd: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. |
| 16:08.06 | keith4 | hugs dpkg |
| 16:08.16 | keith4 | n3kl: check auth.log |
| 16:08.31 | *** join/#debian MrWax (i=waxboy@mail.midegro.com) |
| 16:08.32 | *** join/#debian MFD (n=MFD@fny94-7-82-246-137-146.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 16:08.59 | MrWax | Is there any tool known, which can analyse directories, and subdirectories, and which can check the sizes of files, and how much % is of which file type? |
| 16:09.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 868] by debhelper |
| 16:09.10 | n3kl | keith4: Nothign in there when I get the erro |
| 16:09.26 | veganlion | should i use aptitude or apt-get in sid? |
| 16:09.35 | *** join/#debian foka (n=foka@61.51.163.154) |
| 16:09.37 | keith4 | if you have to ask, you shouldn't be using sid |
| 16:09.49 | keith4 | MrWax: 'durep' can do some/most of that |
| 16:09.54 | stew | veganlion: aptitude |
| 16:10.17 | MrWax | keith4: also with those percentages of file types? |
| 16:10.26 | *** part/#debian mikearthur (n=mike@93-97-179-46.zone5.bethere.co.uk) |
| 16:10.29 | keith4 | probably not |
| 16:10.37 | veganlion | stew, thx |
| 16:10.40 | keith4 | n3kl: are you authing to a remote host? like ldap or kerb or something? |
| 16:11.33 | n3kl | keith4: no |
| 16:12.08 | *** join/#debian prolix_ (n=user@c-76-28-238-157.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 16:12.26 | n3kl | and it apears its only for one user |
| 16:12.28 | *** join/#debian derchris (n=derchris@87-194-89-163.bethere.co.uk) |
| 16:12.28 | *** join/#debian tom_ (n=tom@c-82-192-248-149.customer.ggaweb.ch) |
| 16:12.36 | *** join/#debian tom (n=tom@wservices.ch) |
| 16:12.41 | *** join/#debian Lukas___ (n=jhon@pc-230-50-46-190.cm.vtr.net) |
| 16:12.43 | tom_ | i am trying to grub-install on a rescue system, but it says: grub-install /dev/sda Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 16:12.47 | tom_ | my grub files are in /mnt/boot |
| 16:12.48 | *** join/#debian Laeborg (n=Laeborg@ip0x5727f1.pip.mvb.dk) |
| 16:13.08 | *** join/#debian binrapt (i=binrapt@e180070109.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 16:13.12 | Lukas___ | for an old laptop its better and old version of debian or its the same with the recent vers (4.0) installing just server mode |
| 16:13.58 | n3kl | keith4: its the nsswitch.conf that would tell me, right? |
| 16:14.06 | jelly | Lukas___: how old a laptop? cpu, how much RAM, disk? |
| 16:14.12 | *** join/#debian zako (n=zako@62.62-99-99.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) |
| 16:14.23 | zako | hi, |
| 16:14.30 | keith4 | tom_: you need to use --root-directory then |
| 16:14.32 | Lukas___ | 300mhz, 96 ram, 2gb |
| 16:14.45 | zako | do you know a console utility to know the duration of a wav file? |
| 16:14.52 | keith4 | n3kl: yah, nsswitch should give you some insight |
| 16:15.46 | n3kl | meh, looks just like the ones on other machines I have |
| 16:15.50 | jelly | Lukas___: etch would run on that, but you'd have to be careful about the things you'd install |
| 16:15.55 | tom_ | keith4: thanks. grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda seemed to work. let's see if it's booting now :P |
| 16:16.12 | keith4 | n3kl: that's weird, then |
| 16:16.29 | jelly | Lukas___: if you plan on using X apps, RAM is the big issue, the more the better |
| 16:16.48 | n3kl | keith4: nothign in any of my logs |
| 16:16.52 | n3kl | wtf |
| 16:17.06 | Lukas___ | the idea its to install base system, Xorg and Icewm |
| 16:17.13 | n3kl | I have only seen this on krb or ldap systems if it can't find the server or something |
| 16:17.14 | *** part/#debian jones- (i=jones@naru.obs2.net) |
| 16:17.15 | keith4 | zako: "mplayer -identify foo.wav" will do that |
| 16:17.30 | *** join/#debian scintilla (n=SkLiPpY@81-208-83-233.fastres.net) |
| 16:17.35 | keith4 | n3kl: yah, that's what I was thinking. you're not logging to a remote server or something? |
| 16:17.41 | Kovensky | keith4: mplayer -identify -frames 0 foo.wav |
| 16:17.45 | Lukas___ | its recomendable recompiling the kernel ?? really improve the boot time and the performance in general |
| 16:17.49 | n3kl | keith4: I am, but also locally |
| 16:18.04 | Kovensky | better yet, 'mplayer -identify -frames 0 foo.wav | grep ID_LENGTH' |
| 16:18.06 | zako | thanks keith4 and Kovensky |
| 16:18.09 | *** join/#debian Asymmetry (i=jcoffman@ip72-198-38-131.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 16:18.17 | zako | i tried sox, file, .... |
| 16:18.18 | keith4 | zako: Kovensky's suggestion has the added benefit of not actually playing the file |
| 16:18.30 | stew | Lukas___: no. you might improve the boot time by a few seconds, but there would not be a noticable change in performance |
| 16:18.33 | Kovensky | zako: that last line will give you 'ID_LENGTH=<length in seconds>' |
| 16:18.40 | *** join/#debian ezguy (n=meng@gateway.penguincomputing.com) |
| 16:18.44 | keith4 | Kovensky: ooh, now we're gettin' fancy |
| 16:18.55 | Kovensky | keith4: heh |
| 16:18.56 | Asymmetry | How can I keep Xorg from running my display at 75Hz? Whenever it goes that, things get screwed up, and that's its default setting. |
| 16:19.01 | Kovensky | is long time mplayer user |
| 16:19.02 | *** join/#debian jbasse (n=jbasse@ip-83-99-72-21.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu) |
| 16:19.35 | *** join/#debian kaeos (n=Miranda@a002734.vn.ehu.es) |
| 16:19.46 | Lukas___ | Thanks stew, that save me a lot of time and effort ;) |
| 16:19.58 | *** join/#debian geogre (n=yydoow@116.232.186.255) |
| 16:20.46 | pistache | Lukas___ > Do that only if you need |
| 16:20.50 | pistache | Argh owned. He left. |
| 16:21.58 | *** join/#debian hatter243 (n=jshoenbe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com) |
| 16:22.35 | *** join/#debian strk (n=strk@ip-123-78.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) |
| 16:22.39 | jelly | at 300MHz and 96MB, he'll need every performance bit squeezed out |
| 16:22.58 | *** join/#debian pLk (n=rd@xdsl-92-252-15-107.dip.osnanet.de) |
| 16:23.07 | pistache | jelly > Did'nt see that |
| 16:23.35 | pistache | BTW, can I compile my kernel using Debian sources but with a VANILLA (kernel.org) patch ? Or will it fail ? |
| 16:23.37 | jelly | pistache: this is why we have "/lastlog" command! |
| 16:23.44 | *** join/#debian Ace2016_- (n=ace@79-68-241-159.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 16:23.45 | unixslut | Hello |
| 16:23.53 | pistache | !lastlog |
| 16:23.53 | dpkg | /lastlog <searchterm> |
| 16:24.00 | pistache | Oh good ^^ |
| 16:24.03 | strk | where can I find badblocks ? (dpkg doesn't know) |
| 16:24.05 | n3kl | keith4: I removed the problem user and recreated it and it seem to work fine again. I have no idea what the problem was. Thanks anyway |
| 16:24.09 | unixslut | ? |
| 16:24.26 | jelly | strk: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:24.31 | *** join/#debian zicho (n=user@c-7b9ee355.68-7-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 16:24.35 | keith4 | n3kl: very odd |
| 16:24.43 | zicho | How can i check an usb unit for errors using fsck? |
| 16:25.01 | enouf | zako: duration only? not sure, try file filename.wav , see if 'man aplay' can help - look at "sox" |
| 16:25.25 | *** join/#debian avu (n=jan@unaffiliated/avu) |
| 16:25.32 | zako | i have search sox manual and i have found nothing |
| 16:25.38 | jelly | zicho: you cannot check the hardware, but rather the filesystem on one of the partitions |
| 16:25.42 | *** join/#debian vaxman (n=vaxman@87.69.68.200.cable.012.net.il) |
| 16:25.43 | zako | and file doesn't give duration |
| 16:25.44 | enouf | zako: quickly firing it up in mplayer would also tell you - i mean, there's ways to send -vo null -ao null, so you don't really play the file |
| 16:25.58 | pistache | BTW, can I compile my kernel using Debian sources but with a VANILLA (kernel.org) patch ? Or will it fail ? |
| 16:26.20 | jelly | zicho: and it's pretty much the same as any other device. which filesystem are you using? |
| 16:26.22 | enouf | n3kl: i have no idea about your auth issue, otherwise i would chime in :-p |
| 16:26.29 | keith4 | zako: Kovensky told you exactly what to do, already |
| 16:26.41 | n3kl | enouf: no worries :) |
| 16:26.47 | zako | yes i red keith4 |
| 16:27.06 | wols_ | pistache: will usually fail but you _could_ be lucky. why not compile a kernel.org source+patch? |
| 16:27.06 | enouf | tom: try --root-directory= .. but better to just use grub shell |
| 16:27.10 | *** join/#debian eheil (n=erik@adsl-242-109-216.tys.bellsouth.net) |
| 16:27.11 | zako | but it's good to have more alternatives :) |
| 16:27.16 | *** join/#debian tote (i=tote@c-5dbd72d5.018-24-73746f48.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 16:27.52 | enouf | tom: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html and http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-using-grub_002dinstall.html |
| 16:27.57 | pistache | wols_: Okay I will compile Vanilla |
| 16:28.05 | pistache | wols : For the Debian patches ^^ |
| 16:28.05 | zako | thanks to all bye |
| 16:28.09 | zicho | jelly: i dont know, how can i check that? |
| 16:28.09 | *** join/#debian ikk (n=ikk@80.82.116.12) |
| 16:28.25 | ikk | people where would i look to see why mysql wont start? |
| 16:28.29 | ikk | # /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 16:28.31 | ikk | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 16:28.38 | tote | are there any known problem with 4.0r4a and detecting sata drivers with intel ihc9r? |
| 16:28.40 | pistache | ikk > /var/log ? |
| 16:28.46 | stew | ikk: try running "mysqld" as root |
| 16:28.47 | ikk | mysql.err is 0 bytes :( |
| 16:29.15 | ikk | # mysqld |
| 16:29.15 | ikk | 080925 17:28:52 InnoDB: Started; log sequence number 0 2773593925 |
| 16:29.15 | ikk | mysqld: File '' not found (Errcode: 2) |
| 16:29.15 | ikk | 080925 17:28:52 [ERROR] Failed to open log (file '', errno 2) |
| 16:29.15 | ikk | 080925 17:28:52 [ERROR] Could not open log file |
| 16:29.15 | *** kick/#debian [ikk!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 16:29.17 | enouf | oh, late as ever |
| 16:29.24 | *** join/#debian a_l_e (n=a_l_e@37-89.76-83.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 16:29.25 | strk | started/wc |
| 16:29.27 | *** part/#debian strk (n=strk@ip-123-78.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) |
| 16:29.28 | *** join/#debian ikk (n=ikk@80.82.116.12) |
| 16:29.33 | n3kl | stew: I think that should be mysqld_safe, no? |
| 16:29.42 | ikk | oops :) |
| 16:30.09 | stew | n3kl: not if all you are doing is trying to figure out why it isn't starting |
| 16:30.11 | roe_ | !pasterbot |
| 16:30.42 | *** part/#debian SidGBF (n=chatzill@189.101.250.242) |
| 16:30.44 | *** join/#debian sanmarcos (n=marc@unaffiliated/sanmarcos) |
| 16:30.46 | eheil | hey. anyone know what to do here? I have a cirus logic CS46XX card here but it waws removed from the debanized kernel. I've retrieved the sources in the alsa-source package, but don't see it as an option when I use module-assistant to compile it. the issue here was that it was removed b/c it requires binary firmware--what a shame because its such a good sound card. |
| 16:30.47 | sanmarcos | I don't need to run my postfix server on 25 right, I can just run it securely on 587 and I will receive emails? |
| 16:30.50 | stew | ikk: /msg dpkg paste. it sounds like your log is misconfigured in my.cnf |
| 16:31.16 | roe_ | incoming email on your mx record will come in on 25. |
| 16:31.18 | jelly | zicho: if it is mounted, look for its mount point in the output of "mount". If it is not mounted, "blkid" might help |
| 16:31.37 | *** join/#debian nachos (n=nachos@d220-238-94-144.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 16:31.46 | roe_ | 587 is a submission port used for allowing clients to reliably send email without running into network firewalls |
| 16:32.09 | ikk | stew im looking |
| 16:32.14 | zicho | jelly: mount says vfat, so i should use "fsck.vfat [pathway]"? |
| 16:33.10 | *** join/#debian UT2K3 (n=UT2K3@HSI-KBW-078-042-024-224.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 16:33.13 | tote | are there any known problem with 4.0r4a and detecting sata drivers with intel ihc9r? |
| 16:33.28 | wols_ | tote: yes |
| 16:33.34 | *** part/#debian sanmarcos (n=marc@unaffiliated/sanmarcos) |
| 16:33.36 | wols_ | tote: get an etchnhalf ISO |
| 16:33.55 | *** join/#debian Eulex (n=alex@81-237-247-113-no120.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 16:34.26 | *** join/#debian tophyr (n=tophyr@pool-98-111-83-155.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net) |
| 16:36.16 | *** part/#debian MrWax (i=waxboy@mail.midegro.com) |
| 16:37.43 | ikk | stew, thanks for the pointers turns out there was a corrupt entry in mysql.index! |
| 16:37.55 | tote | wols_: etchnhalf? |
| 16:38.02 | stew | tote: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 16:38.05 | *** join/#debian [jbasse] (n=jbasse@ip-83-99-69-218.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu) |
| 16:38.16 | jelly | zicho: install dosfstools first to get it. before doing a fsck, umount the partition |
| 16:38.29 | *** join/#debian Raylz (n=bernhard@85-126-206-52.teleworker.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 16:38.43 | eheil | pidgin sucks as an IRC client. |
| 16:38.55 | lunk | irssi for the win |
| 16:39.03 | jelly | xchat ftw |
| 16:39.35 | *** join/#debian malak (n=malak@200.21.5.74) |
| 16:40.14 | lunk | xchat can't be run in screen, also irc is 100% text, shouldn't your client also be? |
| 16:40.20 | Raylz | pidgin is the best :D |
| 16:40.28 | wols_ | lunk: xchat-text :P |
| 16:40.39 | Raylz | or bitchx if x fails |
| 16:40.46 | n3kl | irssi! |
| 16:40.57 | lunk | wols_: never heard of that, been using irssi too long to look for anything new, heh |
| 16:40.57 | adama | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.59 | wols_ | hmm, they removed it |
| 16:41.05 | lunk | wols_: fail. |
| 16:41.06 | *** join/#debian MrITR (n=maurice@66.92.14.106) |
| 16:41.22 | malak | kvirc :P |
| 16:41.28 | eheil | Pidgin is fine for IM, but it doesn't support DCC or anything. if you do a "/dcc" in the pidgin window, it apparently doesn't understand it. |
| 16:41.41 | Kovensky | /vote irssi |
| 16:41.42 | *** join/#debian pcacjr (n=pcacjr@unaffiliated/pcacjr) |
| 16:43.58 | Kumool | fine by me if it doesnt support dcc... barely use it neway |
| 16:44.56 | ikk | stew, thanks for the pointers turns out there was a corrupt entry in mysql.index! |
| 16:44.58 | *** join/#debian mentor (n=matthew@213.137.14.171) |
| 16:45.32 | rektide | irssi |
| 16:45.35 | *** join/#debian bernhard_ (n=bernhard@85-126-206-52.teleworker.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 16:45.35 | rektide | 4 life |
| 16:45.58 | bernhard_ | what makes irssi better than bitchx? |
| 16:46.00 | *** join/#debian Cauchy (n=whuddell@204.78.0.199) |
| 16:46.09 | bernhard_ | does* |
| 16:46.19 | lunk | bernhard_: doesn't have BITCH in the name, and uses perl as a scripting language ;) |
| 16:46.52 | jelly | lunk: give me screen with antialiased proportional fonts, and I'll consider it |
| 16:46.56 | bernhard_ | only plus for me: its in the repos :P |
| 16:47.17 | lunk | jelly: antialias is not required for getting information |
| 16:47.31 | jelly | lunk: it's required for my eyes |
| 16:47.32 | Kovensky | jelly: proportional fonts? yuck |
| 16:47.34 | lunk | jelly: think the moon lander had all green screens |
| 16:47.50 | Kovensky | jelly: Monospace is anti-aliased AFAIK |
| 16:48.01 | jelly | Kovensky: it's also ugly |
| 16:48.07 | nergoza | how do i search with apt-get ? |
| 16:48.17 | Kovensky | jelly: then put your terminal on proportional fonts |
| 16:48.24 | JPT | apt-cache search |
| 16:48.31 | lunk | if fonts are your problem, than maybe you should use a phone ;) |
| 16:48.35 | rektide | wheres the bug count down page? |
| 16:48.55 | Cauchy | su |
| 16:49.05 | jelly | Kovensky: what terminal supports proportional fonts properly, and doesn't fit them in imaginary boxes? |
| 16:49.16 | *** join/#debian karlgus (n=karl@host-90-235-170-42.mobileonline.telia.com) |
| 16:49.28 | lunk | who cares? fonts aren't required for effective communication. |
| 16:49.47 | amphi | aa deja vu sans is pleasant enough in a term IMHO |
| 16:49.48 | jelly | they are if I'm to communicate |
| 16:50.07 | amphi | deja vu sans mono, that is ;) |
| 16:50.20 | lunk | jelly: morse code, with the absence of fonts, has been used effectively to win wars....so, yea |
| 16:50.29 | prolix_ | heh |
| 16:50.30 | *** join/#debian karlgus (n=karl@host-90-235-170-42.mobileonline.telia.com) |
| 16:50.32 | pistache | lunk: ... |
| 16:50.46 | jelly | lunk: nice tangent |
| 16:51.01 | lunk | nice in that it makes your argument moot, thanks ;) |
| 16:51.17 | jelly | lunk: it doesn't, thank you for playing |
| 16:51.24 | lunk | your fonts are ugly. |
| 16:53.03 | n3kl | lunk: *your* fonts are ugly |
| 16:53.07 | jelly | amphi: nah, for terminals, it's a bitmap VGA-style 8x16 font. For mostly everything else I'm using Tahoma, one of he rare nice things out of Microsoft |
| 16:53.14 | *** join/#debian iamawake (n=Administ@75-170-54-104.eugn.qwest.net) |
| 16:53.15 | adama | your mom's fonts are ugly |
| 16:53.34 | SpeedyG | hm, hard to say who's fonts are ugly.. because the only font I see is my client's fonts.. :p |
| 16:53.50 | *** join/#debian mirco (n=mirco@p54B27E6A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:53.56 | abrotman | *fonts* are ugly |
| 16:54.03 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 16:54.15 | *** join/#debian PrettyKittyT (i=ashley@c-69-245-48-182.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 16:54.21 | *** part/#debian abrotman (n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman) |
| 16:54.21 | *** join/#debian abrotman (n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman) |
| 16:54.31 | *** join/#debian d00fus_ (n=Scrooge_@118.94.120.73) |
| 16:55.19 | *** join/#debian TheOnly (n=theonly@resnet-pat-254.ucs.ed.ac.uk) |
| 16:55.32 | Kobaz | wiggity |
| 16:56.07 | PrettyKittyT | Hello... I'm having trouble getting my webcam to work with lenny.... can anyone help? |
| 16:56.09 | *** join/#debian wacky_ (n=abourget@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net) |
| 16:56.31 | wacky_ | What's the library used by Debian to show package installation windows in console or in GTK depending on the environment ? |
| 16:56.34 | *** join/#debian defrysk (n=defrysk@c14072.upc-c.chello.nl) |
| 16:57.03 | abrotman | debconf ? |
| 16:57.04 | cahoot | PrettyKittyT: what cam? |
| 16:57.21 | PrettyKittyT | TASCORP |
| 16:57.52 | cahoot | PrettyKittyT: I'd find out its usb id (lsusb) and turn to google |
| 16:58.11 | PrettyKittyT | I was just in the debian chan over on undernet and someone there said to come here. |
| 16:58.21 | *** join/#debian nivanson (i=nils@c-3874e455.36-31-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 16:58.36 | PrettyKittyT | there is nothing about it in lsusb. |
| 16:59.07 | *** mode/#debian [+l 877] by debhelper |
| 16:59.07 | cahoot | PrettyKittyT: so how is it connected? |
| 16:59.14 | PrettyKittyT | usb |
| 16:59.24 | *** join/#debian Kbyte (n=kvirc@host149-49-static.29-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 16:59.46 | cahoot | PrettyKittyT: nothing in dmesg after connecting it? |
| 17:00.04 | PrettyKittyT | I can paste to you in #flood what it said when I dmesg it. |
| 17:00.16 | PrettyKittyT | then what lsusb says too. |
| 17:00.19 | *** join/#debian tview (n=user@f054124106.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 17:00.24 | jelly | better to use a pastebin instead |
| 17:00.44 | *** join/#debian ^DeathKiNG^_ (n=^DeathKi@pool-72-81-68-35.phlapa.east.verizon.net) |
| 17:01.20 | abrotman | ah .. the good ole days .. when people used #flood |
| 17:01.33 | *** join/#debian giuppy (n=giuppy@host76-212-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 17:01.37 | cahoot | before the tsunami |
| 17:02.40 | PrettyKittyT | so where should I paste, cahoot ? |
| 17:02.42 | *** join/#debian |mmk[null]| (n=martin@kmstudio.org) |
| 17:02.59 | PrettyKittyT | because I have no idea what I'm looking at yet. Only been using linux for a month or so. |
| 17:03.02 | cahoot | !paste |
| 17:03.02 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 17:03.06 | *** join/#debian eddieBB (n=eddieBB@cpe-65-185-84-79.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 17:03.32 | *** part/#debian eddieBB (n=eddieBB@cpe-65-185-84-79.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 17:05.01 | *** join/#debian eddieBB (n=eddieBB@cpe-65-185-84-79.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 17:05.09 | eddieBB | i'm buying my new dedi server right now. and i have a choice between Linux Debian 3.1 and Debian Latest. which one do i choose? i want Etch, as i have now. |
| 17:05.53 | roe_ | depends what "debian latest" means |
| 17:05.55 | keith4 | then you definitely don't want 3.1 |
| 17:06.02 | Kumool | hmm why would you choose the old version? its deprecated |
| 17:06.06 | roe_ | yes, 3.1 is etch |
| 17:06.16 | roe_ | Kumool, it is not |
| 17:06.18 | *** join/#debian pinucset (n=pinucset@204.80.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 17:06.28 | keith4 | 3.1 is sarge |
| 17:06.33 | Kumool | huh? i could swear 4.0 is etch |
| 17:06.34 | stew | eddieBB: you want 4.0 aka etch. 3.1 is no longer supported |
| 17:06.35 | wacky_ | is debconf based on newt ?? |
| 17:06.48 | eddieBB | stew: so Debian Latest? |
| 17:06.56 | roe_ | can't count |
| 17:07.01 | keith4 | assuming "latest" means "latest stable" |
| 17:07.04 | stew | eddieBB: i guess. |
| 17:07.13 | roe_ | latest could mean a lot of things |
| 17:07.23 | eddieBB | but i definitely should not choose 3.1 right? |
| 17:07.30 | PrettyKittyT | http://paste.debian.net/17970/ |
| 17:07.30 | *** join/#debian tuliohm (n=tulio@unaffiliated/tuliohm) |
| 17:07.46 | roe_ | I would find out what "latest means" |
| 17:08.07 | *** join/#debian shahri (n=shahri@p57A87650.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:08.11 | eddieBB | yes. i sent them an email yesterday and still no reply. that's why i came here |
| 17:08.14 | *** join/#debian Ability- (n=toyo@adpl239.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 17:08.17 | stew | eddieBB: 3.1 is known to have severe security vulnerabilities which are not going to be fixed, becuase it is has been end-of-lifed, so no. but if "latest" means "testing" or "lenny" or "unstable" then you don't want that either |
| 17:08.27 | *** join/#debian nvz (i=nvz@117.sub-75-211-231.myvzw.com) |
| 17:08.28 | *** join/#debian ezguy (n=meng@gateway.penguincomputing.com) |
| 17:09.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 886] by debhelper |
| 17:09.14 | stew | eddieBB: if latest means something other than etch aka stable aka 4.0, then you want a different provider completely |
| 17:09.16 | roe_ | is etchnhalf 4.5? |
| 17:09.30 | stew | roe_: no, its 4.0 |
| 17:09.38 | wols_ | roe_: sorta. mainly an update kernel to support new hardware |
| 17:10.01 | keith4 | PrettyKittyT: all that means is that the vendor/device ID database doesn't know what 17a1:0128 is |
| 17:10.01 | roe_ | they should have numbered it 4.5 |
| 17:10.39 | PrettyKittyT | so what do I do, keith? |
| 17:10.44 | *** join/#debian blubberdiblub (i=foobar@dslb-088-074-248-235.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:10.47 | eddieBB | okay, i'm kinda on a deadline. so i'm going to try Latest.. thanks for the help |
| 17:10.53 | PrettyKittyT | I don't have any idea where all that came from, sorry guys. |
| 17:10.54 | cahoot | PrettyKittyT: looks like you need gspca |
| 17:11.29 | PrettyKittyT | I dl gspca, but couldn't extract it from .tar |
| 17:11.36 | keith4 | no no |
| 17:11.38 | *** join/#debian SJrX (n=none@128.189.233.50) |
| 17:11.53 | cahoot | PrettyKittyT: use module-assistant if not already present on system |
| 17:11.56 | keith4 | PrettyKittyT: it's packaged |
| 17:12.44 | PrettyKittyT | I'm really pretty new to all this, so can I please have step by step instructions? |
| 17:12.49 | *** join/#debian Jussi (n=jussi@port190.ds1-abc.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 17:13.09 | wols_ | PrettyKittyT: if you run etch it's unlikely the gspca module in debian supports it |
| 17:13.18 | PrettyKittyT | I run lenny. |
| 17:13.19 | wols_ | PrettyKittyT: apt-cache search gspca |
| 17:13.37 | *** join/#debian tonkar (n=tonkar@201.215.222.241) |
| 17:13.53 | keith4 | PrettyKittyT: what does "uname -r" show? |
| 17:14.19 | PrettyKittyT | ok i did the apt-cache search gspca and got lots of diff stuff. |
| 17:14.38 | cahoot | PrettyKittyT: aptitude install gspca-modules |
| 17:14.45 | PrettyKittyT | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 17:14.53 | PrettyKittyT | that's what I got from uname -r |
| 17:15.17 | keith4 | install gspca-modules-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 17:15.25 | keith4 | or try what cahoot said |
| 17:15.35 | PrettyKittyT | package gspca-modules has no installation candidate. |
| 17:16.12 | PrettyKittyT | then when I did what you said, keith, it said already latest version |
| 17:16.24 | tuliohm | PrettyKittyT, apt-get install gspca-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 17:16.31 | *** join/#debian emachado (n=edjunior@201.82.128.154) |
| 17:17.50 | PrettyKittyT | I did that tuliohm and said it coulnd't find package. |
| 17:18.16 | *** join/#debian damjan (n=damjan@217.16.95.15) |
| 17:18.31 | *** join/#debian disown (n=chatzill@ip212-177-173-82.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) |
| 17:18.37 | keith4 | PrettyKittyT: do have you any "video" devices in /dev ? |
| 17:18.46 | *** join/#debian ohay (n=ohay@200.162.197.95) |
| 17:18.50 | damjan | I need a confirmation about Debian 4.0 ... does the "snmpd" package lack the /etc/init.d/snmpd script!? |
| 17:19.29 | PrettyKittyT | how do i find out, keith? |
| 17:19.46 | PrettyKittyT | a friend of mine just put lenny on my machine, and left me to kind of sink or swim. |
| 17:20.02 | *** join/#debian zarac (n=zarac@a82-95-114-224.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 17:20.19 | *** join/#debian tview (n=user@f054124106.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 17:20.24 | *** join/#debian XLV (n=XLV@unaffiliated/xlv) |
| 17:20.48 | Raylz | PrettyKittyT: the linux taliban :P |
| 17:20.55 | PrettyKittyT | lol |
| 17:21.05 | *** join/#debian satchmo (n=louis@host86-151-151-245.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 17:21.11 | *** join/#debian AciD (n=gni@tehpwnz.org) |
| 17:21.44 | *** join/#debian nvz_ (i=nvz@117.sub-75-211-231.myvzw.com) |
| 17:21.45 | wireddd | PrettyKittyT: what is your problem? |
| 17:22.02 | wireddd | oh webcam |
| 17:22.09 | PrettyKittyT | yeah, wireddd |
| 17:22.11 | cahoot | PrettyKittyT: try ls /dev/vid* |
| 17:22.15 | SJrX | How do I figure out what version of Debian I am using? |
| 17:22.20 | *** part/#debian ohay (n=ohay@200.162.197.95) |
| 17:22.21 | disown | Hi. I had a out-of diskspace crash on my linkstation while doing apt-get upgrade. I would like to ask if someone could have a look at the console output and say whether they think it is in a corrupted state or not now. Thanks in advance. http://rafb.net/p/2sde7S51.html |
| 17:22.41 | PrettyKittyT | ls: cannot access /dev/vid*: No such file or directory |
| 17:22.55 | cahoot | PrettyKittyT: try modprobe gspca |
| 17:23.24 | PrettyKittyT | nothing.. new prompt, cahoot. |
| 17:23.24 | *** join/#debian BibChooN (n=Bib@34.143-224-89.dsl.completel.net) |
| 17:23.30 | cahoot | PrettyKittyT: try ls /dev/vid* |
| 17:23.50 | PrettyKittyT | ls: cannot access /dev/vid*: No such file or directory |
| 17:26.30 | nvz | disown: apt-get -f install, would probably fix it after you solve the out of space condition |
| 17:27.03 | *** part/#debian Cauchy (n=whuddell@204.78.0.199) |
| 17:27.17 | disown | nvz: thank you very much. Is there anyway that I can move the cache to another location? Maybe i can hardlink the atp cache? I don't have much space on root partition.. |
| 17:27.27 | nvz | SJrX: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:27.34 | *** join/#debian armornick (n=chatzill@40.124-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 17:27.35 | damjan | SJrX: cat /etc/ .. eh |
| 17:27.36 | nvz | SJrX: else failing that, dpkg -l libc6 |
| 17:27.52 | *** join/#debian bzsa (n=bzsa@host-88-132-3-246.prtelecom.hu) |
| 17:27.57 | nvz | SJrX: as each debian version has a distinct version of libc6 |
| 17:28.01 | armornick | hey guys, is it possible to dual-boot two debians? (i.e. stable and testing) |
| 17:28.16 | SJrX | Ah lenny/sid |
| 17:28.23 | SJrX | So is that 3.1, 4.0 or something else weird. |
| 17:28.37 | *** join/#debian iamwoody (n=yydoow@116.232.186.255) |
| 17:28.40 | nvz | disown: hmm.. I wouldn't advise that.. |
| 17:28.43 | prolix | armornick: sure |
| 17:28.50 | PrettyKittyT | am I out of options with this cam? |
| 17:29.19 | disown | nvz: ok. What would be the way around the problem then? run apt-get autoclean and then upgrade one package at a time? |
| 17:30.05 | disown | nvz: or just uninstall programs until apt-get has enough space maybe? |
| 17:30.08 | nvz | disown: something along those lines.. I was just looking over the autoclean myself.. |
| 17:30.08 | *** join/#debian Petoril (n=ondo@aeik113.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 17:30.28 | nvz | I've never encountered such a problem so I was just now looking into the documentation for possible work arounds |
| 17:30.48 | dustybin | what is the name of the tools i need to install so when a dvd/cdrom is placed into my drive, it is recognized? |
| 17:31.59 | disown | nvz: thanks i appreciate that. I did a lot of hesitation before I decided to do upgrade on that little toaster... got a bit of panic when this happened :) |
| 17:32.01 | nvz | dustybin: gnome-volume-manager does that among others |
| 17:32.10 | n3kl | dustybin: hal |
| 17:32.25 | nvz | disown: hah, yeah the idea you had was worth a try I mean worst case scenario it just won't work |
| 17:32.42 | dustybin | n3kl: thats the boy :-) |
| 17:32.46 | nvz | disown: is there anyway you can just mount say an NFS or CIFS volume to /var/cache/apt/archives/? |
| 17:33.09 | Kovensky | nvz: smbmount |
| 17:33.14 | disown | nvz: well, I have a huge partition on the same machine at /mnt/disk1 |
| 17:33.19 | Kovensky | for the cifs stuff |
| 17:33.24 | Kovensky | don't know about nfs |
| 17:33.39 | nvz | Kovensky: you don't know what you are talking about |
| 17:33.40 | disown | nvz: so maybe i can mount it then? do clean, mount cache on the huge partition and retry |
| 17:33.49 | disown | worth a try... |
| 17:34.08 | nvz | Kovensky: I know how to mount both NFS, and CIFS, I was asking if he was able to.. i.e. if he had one to mount, pay attention or keep quiet. :-P |
| 17:34.10 | Kovensky | nvz: almost, not quite :) |
| 17:34.27 | Kovensky | should read the whole buffer before commenting |
| 17:34.48 | PrettyKittyT | is anyone still trying to help me with my cam problem? |
| 17:35.05 | n3kl | no |
| 17:35.09 | *** part/#debian darrh00 (n=darren@218.17.41.123) |
| 17:35.09 | prolix | heh |
| 17:35.10 | damjan | cifs is mounter with mount.cifs I think |
| 17:35.10 | *** join/#debian n-iCe (i=torroell@201.153.201.156) |
| 17:35.20 | n-iCe | is there any way to known my bw speed on a terminal? |
| 17:35.43 | damjan | bw speed? |
| 17:35.45 | n3kl | n-iCe: inittab |
| 17:36.07 | Kovensky | n3kl: o_O |
| 17:36.15 | Kovensky | I don't think he means getty baud rate |
| 17:36.16 | n-iCe | oh? |
| 17:36.38 | cahoot | PrettyKittyT: seems the module available doesn't suffice |
| 17:36.38 | n-iCe | command not found :p |
| 17:36.43 | n3kl | wtf does he mean then |
| 17:37.05 | wols_ | n-iCe: that's a file not a executable... |
| 17:37.08 | n3kl | n-iCe: what speed? |
| 17:37.11 | PrettyKittyT | so what do I do now, cahoot? |
| 17:37.14 | Kovensky | n-iCe: inittab is a file on /etc |
| 17:37.20 | Kovensky | n-iCe: bandwidth speed? |
| 17:37.26 | *** join/#debian tukki (n=fhaberma@f054010019.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 17:37.34 | n-iCe | Well to know my connection information |
| 17:37.36 | n-iCe | etc |
| 17:37.38 | n3kl | I forget that I need to add -vvvvv to my comments when speaking to crackbabies |
| 17:37.40 | *** join/#debian rdd (n=user@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 17:37.56 | wols_ | PrettyKittyT: you use module assistant to build the module from source |
| 17:38.10 | PrettyKittyT | and how would I go about doing that, wols? |
| 17:38.19 | *** part/#debian Raylz (n=bernhard@85-126-206-52.teleworker.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 17:38.19 | *** join/#debian Celelibi (i=celelibi@78.35.194-77.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 17:38.22 | n-iCe | PrettyKittyT: :) |
| 17:38.32 | simNIX | google is your friend - if that fails ask again ;) |
| 17:38.40 | n-iCe | Kovensky: any idea in how? any command |
| 17:38.50 | PrettyKittyT | hi n-ice |
| 17:39.02 | PrettyKittyT | sorry... my nickcompleter is being wierd. |
| 17:39.05 | wols_ | tell PrettyKittyT about m-a |
| 17:39.13 | Azhrarn | interesting read for fans of software optimizing: http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2008/09/how-powertop-latencytop-and-fi.html |
| 17:39.25 | wols_ | !tell PrettyKittyT about m-a |
| 17:39.30 | *** join/#debian jkwood (n=jkwood@2001:470:1f0e:d2:0:0:0:2) |
| 17:40.05 | *** join/#debian ||arifaX (n=||arifaX@p5B0A6694.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:40.10 | PrettyKittyT | thanks wols, but that read like greek to me. I'm a linux newb, ok? |
| 17:40.31 | n3kl | PrettyKittyT: first there was the kernel.... |
| 17:40.35 | jkwood | Howdy! I have an interesting dilemma... I have a Debian machine, running in VirtualBox, that isn't able to use DNS. I can access anything by IP, but not by hostname. Any thoughts? |
| 17:40.37 | armornick | hey, how about a backup system where you can backup your debian install so you can reinstall by booting the backup disc? |
| 17:40.39 | wols_ | !tell PrettyKittyT about grounding |
| 17:40.41 | armornick | ringing any bells? |
| 17:40.43 | wols_ | PrettyKittyT: then read some more |
| 17:40.51 | abrotman | armornick: check your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:40.51 | n3kl | jkwood: how are you trying to access it? |
| 17:41.01 | wols_ | jkwood: what is in your resolv.conf? |
| 17:41.15 | n3kl | wols_: by ip also |
| 17:41.25 | wols_ | n3kl: huh? |
| 17:41.29 | prolix | i know a guy who uses girl names for tech advice, he swears that it's more effective than using a 'masculine' handle |
| 17:41.37 | *** join/#debian DanDare (n=DanDare@bhe201062186045.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) |
| 17:41.48 | jkwood | Using... Epiphany. nslookup also fails. |
| 17:41.55 | jkwood | resolv.conf... checking... |
| 17:41.55 | wols_ | prolix: of course. but prettyKittyT was a 50 year old 200lb sweaty male |
| 17:41.59 | *** join/#debian Wiz126 (i=Wiz126@72.20.229.202) |
| 17:42.02 | prolix | haha |
| 17:42.28 | hotbitch12 | yum |
| 17:42.55 | jkwood | It shows one nameserver and a search domain. |
| 17:43.00 | *** join/#debian Bombo (n=bombo@dslb-084-062-228-135.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:43.05 | Bombo | hi |
| 17:43.12 | abrotman | armornick: sorry .. misfire |
| 17:43.12 | hotbitch12 | jkwood: is your virtual network setup? |
| 17:43.15 | *** join/#debian Batchy (n=batchy@AVelizy-155-1-52-193.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:43.25 | wols_ | hotbitch12: if he can connect to stuff via IP, then yes |
| 17:43.29 | jkwood | Yes, I got that sorted out. |
| 17:43.36 | damjan | I need a confirmation about Debian 4.0 ... does the "snmpd" package lack the /etc/init.d/snmpd script!? |
| 17:43.41 | wols_ | jkwood: do you think we are psychic? |
| 17:43.43 | hotbitch12 | wols_: I thought he said he could not connect to anything by ip? |
| 17:43.51 | wols_ | hotbitch12: read more carefully then |
| 17:43.56 | Bombo | how do tell etch to mount the usbstick with 777 or specific user permissions? |
| 17:44.03 | *** join/#debian Si1ver1ock (n=chatzill@wsip-70-165-111-10.om.om.cox.net) |
| 17:44.10 | hotbitch12 | wols_: oh, so he did |
| 17:44.12 | jkwood | No, as a Slackware user, I definitely don't think you're psychic. I did, however, think you might know something I don't. |
| 17:44.17 | wols_ | Bombo: man mount. see uid and gid and umask options |
| 17:44.17 | damjan | Bombo: how do you mount the stick? |
| 17:44.21 | nvz | Bombo: umask option I believe |
| 17:44.22 | hotbitch12 | Bombo: man mount |
| 17:44.34 | disown | nvz: Hey that worked! Thanks a lot. I got apt-get upgrade to run cleanly. is there any way of doing a sanity check before rebooting now? I'm a bit nervous... |
| 17:44.37 | hotbitch12 | nvz: umask is for file creation, iirc |
| 17:44.48 | nvz | hotbitch12: not when using it with mount |
| 17:44.59 | nvz | hotbitch12: and a vfat filesystem |
| 17:45.04 | wols_ | jkwood: with the amount of info you gave us, we cannot help you. since you don't give relveant info like WHAT is in resolv.conf exactly: solve your own problems |
| 17:45.05 | nvz | hotbitch12: which has no such thing |
| 17:45.14 | Bombo | when i'm logged in as user and plug the stick in i can access it as /media/usb automatically its mounted there |
| 17:45.17 | disown | nvz: I also got something about purging hotplug, which I did with dpkg --purge hotplug |
| 17:45.26 | nvz | hotbitch12: but its okay, hotbitches are rarely too smart.. we'll forgive you. |
| 17:45.31 | Bombo | but i cant write, because its all root.root |
| 17:45.38 | wols_ | Bombo: I told you |
| 17:45.40 | bolt | okay, I'm trying to fix infrared on this dude's laptop. yes, infrared. and i can't find the sender/reciever. after looking at the specifications and figuring out the laptop doesn't have that, i check the mini usb-slot on the inside on the machine, behind the cover. and god damn, that's where he put an usb infrared interface. inside. brilliant. |
| 17:45.44 | wols_ | !tell Bombo about vfatrw |
| 17:45.45 | bolt | !kill me |
| 17:45.45 | dpkg | mangles bolt with a whip |
| 17:45.48 | *** join/#debian si0ux (n=si0ux@201-048-208-161.static.ctbctelecom.com.br) |
| 17:46.24 | Bombo | wols_: its automatically mounted |
| 17:46.27 | *** join/#debian eve_ (n=eve@232.pool85-58-14.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 17:46.32 | abrotman | bolt: is there a question? |
| 17:46.47 | wols_ | Bombo: put it in your fstab via label or uuid |
| 17:46.58 | bolt | abrotman: nope. just venting. |
| 17:47.05 | burlyman | some vent, I must say |
| 17:47.17 | jkwood | wols_: Thanks, you're so helpful. I didn't tell you specifically what's in resolv.conf because it's internal network stuff specific to this location. You have, however, helped confirm it's probably not a Debian-specific problem, which gives me an idea. So, thanks. |
| 17:47.50 | *** join/#debian bullgard4 (n=detlef@p5B25B6C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:48.08 | *** join/#debian darrh00 (n=darren@218.17.41.123) |
| 17:50.57 | *** join/#debian _undernasc_ (n=Rodrigo@201-74-126-116-sv.cpe.vivax.com.br) |
| 17:51.29 | dante_2core | bolt, lmfao, he really built the infrared thing INTO the laptop? |
| 17:51.40 | bolt | dante_2core: yep. |
| 17:52.13 | *** part/#debian armornick (n=chatzill@40.124-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 17:52.17 | _undernasc_ | Hi All ! |
| 17:52.31 | bolt | !greet _undernasc_ |
| 17:52.31 | dpkg | Welcome, _undernasc_ |
| 17:52.35 | dante_2core | bolt, ... had similar things before, technically not-so-interested mum, y'know ^^ |
| 17:52.46 | bolt | dante_2core: :) |
| 17:53.40 | _undernasc_ | I need help with a Out Of Memory question :) |
| 17:53.53 | burlyman | _undernasc_: newegg.com |
| 17:54.09 | prolix | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/frustrations/374d/ |
| 17:54.12 | _undernasc_ | I need help with an Out Of Memory question :).. |
| 17:54.15 | *** join/#debian shiloh11_ (n=shiloh11@68-190-114-119.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) |
| 17:54.18 | abrotman | _undernasc_: just ask |
| 17:54.19 | dustybin | i can mount /dev/dvd manually, and i can access my dvd, however, mythtv cannot open /dev/dvd : 2008-09-25 18:53:07.848 Failed to open DVD device at /dev/dvd |
| 17:54.22 | bolt | _undernasc_: so you said |
| 17:54.27 | burlyman | Yeah, so ask the question already |
| 17:54.31 | dustybin | ive install dbus and hal |
| 17:54.33 | abrotman | dustybin: not in some group |
| 17:54.41 | burlyman | dustybin: what dm are you using? |
| 17:54.42 | dustybin | oh i see |
| 17:54.46 | dustybin | dm? |
| 17:54.54 | burlyman | kde, gnome? |
| 17:54.56 | abrotman | dustybin: ls -l /dev/dvd |
| 17:54.59 | dustybin | fluxbox |
| 17:55.07 | burlyman | Ahh, good luck with that |
| 17:55.11 | abrotman | wtf |
| 17:55.20 | dustybin | mythtv@mythtvfrontend:~$ ls -l /dev/dvd |
| 17:55.20 | dustybin | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2008-09-25 19:49 /dev/dvd -> hdc |
| 17:55.28 | abrotman | dustybin: and /dev/hdc ? |
| 17:55.33 | _undernasc_ | Just a moment, please... I'm going to collect the message at /var/log/messages..... :) |
| 17:55.46 | dustybin | mythtv@mythtvfrontend:~$ ls -l /dev/hdc |
| 17:55.46 | dustybin | brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2008-09-25 19:49 /dev/hdc |
| 17:55.58 | abrotman | dustybin: is "mythtv" in the cdrom group ? |
| 17:56.02 | dustybin | aye thanks |
| 17:56.07 | dustybin | ill do that now :-) |
| 17:56.11 | bolt | _undernasc_: you don't have to keep us prepared. just gather all relevant info, put it in a pastebin if more than one line, put link or one line here as a question. we're not going anywhere :) |
| 17:57.04 | _undernasc_ | bolt, ok ! sorry for my unexperience ! :) |
| 17:57.08 | *** join/#debian olivierk_ (n=olivier@olivierk.org) |
| 17:57.16 | burlyman | you better be |
| 17:58.38 | *** join/#debian Starwatcher (n=David@67-54-209-63.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 17:59.15 | *** part/#debian jkwood (n=jkwood@2001:470:1f0e:d2:0:0:0:2) |
| 17:59.17 | _undernasc_ | ok... There we go... http://dpaste.com/hold/80540/ |
| 17:59.33 | *** join/#debian Lukemob (n=lukemob@90-228-225-155-no126.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 17:59.58 | *** join/#debian peter_12 (n=peter_12@d75-157-225-201.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 18:00.21 | *** join/#debian hatta_ (i=hatta@ip68-13-164-246.om.om.cox.net) |
| 18:02.02 | *** join/#debian karrotx (n=steve@pool-70-110-22-197.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 18:02.04 | *** join/#debian thrope_ (n=thrope@87-194-103-206.bethere.co.uk) |
| 18:02.07 | _undernasc_ | First, my system hungs up .... then I powered on the machine and started my applications... Look at /var/log/messages I've seen this messages ( http://dpaste.com/hold/80540/ ) |
| 18:04.14 | _undernasc_ | Reading about it, I found out a document that indicates it's lowmem consumption |
| 18:04.29 | *** join/#debian Lagbolt (n=jm@dhcp-68-232.physics.purdue.edu) |
| 18:04.58 | _undernasc_ | is it possible that this event hungs up my system? |
| 18:05.38 | damjan | _undernasc_: you dont ahve enough memory it seems |
| 18:05.57 | damjan | _undernasc_: how much ram and swap do you have (usee "free" to see) |
| 18:06.18 | Computer | Does anyone know anything about the Intel G31 chipset and Debian compatibility? |
| 18:06.30 | Computer | I am looking for information about this. I will choose another motherboard if I have to. |
| 18:06.36 | _undernasc_ | damjan, 19168 KB mem and 4199904 KB swap |
| 18:07.01 | damjan | 4GB swap and 20mb ram?? |
| 18:07.11 | thrope_ | hi - how can I configure an interface to come up with no ip? |
| 18:07.13 | _undernasc_ | damjan, yeap... |
| 18:07.47 | nvz | Computer: it will work I am sure, may not get 3d support though |
| 18:07.54 | *** join/#debian mishok13 (n=gdmfsob@92.112.103.154) |
| 18:07.57 | nvz | Computer: best thing to use is nvidia for good 3d support |
| 18:08.00 | nvz | ATI failing that |
| 18:08.04 | thrope_ | ah found it - manual |
| 18:08.05 | wols_ | !tell Computer about hcl |
| 18:08.14 | *** join/#debian stoffepojken (n=user@c80-217-82-234.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 18:08.29 | _undernasc_ | damjan, I'll set the vm.lower_zone_proctection to 100 |
| 18:08.42 | stew | Computer: intel g31 works fine in debian |
| 18:08.55 | _undernasc_ | damjan, now it's set to 0 |
| 18:09.13 | damjan | _undernasc_: with only 20MB of ram I wonder what you'll be able to use that pc for |
| 18:10.18 | _undernasc_ | But I really want to know if the OOM-KILL can hangs system up ... |
| 18:10.22 | *** join/#debian peterrooney (n=peter@S0106001451193950.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 18:10.33 | abrotman | damjan: probably more than you think |
| 18:11.58 | damjan | abrotman: I've made my custom OpenWRT images ... and even with it's uclibc and busybox environment it's not very confortable in its 16mb ram... it doesn't have swap though |
| 18:12.18 | _undernasc_ | 20 MB is the free memory |
| 18:12.32 | _undernasc_ | the machine has 4GB |
| 18:12.45 | damjan | _undernasc_: you are great... I was asking about total memory.. jee |
| 18:13.06 | *** join/#debian sharky (n=sharky@a40-prg1-15-56.static.adsl.vol.cz) |
| 18:13.08 | damjan | _undernasc_: get a 64bit kernel |
| 18:14.19 | *** part/#debian tom (n=tom@wservices.ch) |
| 18:14.37 | *** join/#debian jakub_ (n=jkb@cat.petriny.net) |
| 18:14.49 | _undernasc_ | damjan, I can't.... I have an Oracle Database running in the box |
| 18:15.26 | damjan | so? |
| 18:15.42 | damjan | you can install a 64bit kernel and run a whole 32bit distribution |
| 18:15.54 | damjan | at least in Debian you can |
| 18:16.56 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.56 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 18:17.31 | *** join/#debian beowulf_ (n=beowulf@203.99.183.248) |
| 18:17.39 | _undernasc_ | yeap... It's a production environment of a customer... and he wants to know why your machine hung up.. :S |
| 18:18.21 | *** join/#debian Rprp (n=Rprp@cc763024-b.groni1.gr.home.nl) |
| 18:18.53 | _undernasc_ | dpkg, damage ! |
| 18:18.54 | dpkg | _undernasc_: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 18:19.36 | *** join/#debian peppe (n=peppe@unaffiliated/peppe) |
| 18:19.36 | *** join/#debian eldowan (n=grant@65.203.97.98) |
| 18:20.20 | eldowan | Is there a good tool for helping create xsl file for xml transforms? I'm not familiar with the xsl language, and was hoping someone knew of something provided in debian. |
| 18:20.54 | *** join/#debian D_R_P (n=flowman4@41.219.229.86) |
| 18:21.05 | disown | nvz: Thanks for the help. Everything works. thanks! |
| 18:22.34 | Eulex | eldowan, xsl is basically a programming language, and as with other programming languages, a good editor is very helpful |
| 18:22.46 | *** join/#debian leprosys (n=leprosys@190.87.16.236) |
| 18:22.56 | abrotman | eldowan: i've been doing them by hand in vi .. but i'm not quite right in the head |
| 18:23.10 | eldowan | abrotman: I gathered that over the past few years.. ;) |
| 18:23.29 | eldowan | Eulex: you wouldn't know of a good editor for it would you? I'm kate currently. |
| 18:23.36 | *** join/#debian satchmo_ (n=louis@host86-166-115-118.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) |
| 18:23.37 | abrotman | Hi, I'm bob |
| 18:23.42 | *** join/#debian zink_ (n=GOTA@pc-110-112-86-200.cm.vtr.net) |
| 18:23.48 | eldowan | Hi bob, I'm dirk |
| 18:23.53 | abrotman | you just said you were kate |
| 18:24.01 | stew | stop social engineering eachother |
| 18:24.02 | *** join/#debian chomwitt (n=chomwitt@adsl56-98.ath.forthnet.gr) |
| 18:24.03 | eldowan | I was, just had the operation don't you know |
| 18:24.19 | eldowan | has an angry itch |
| 18:24.23 | abrotman | eldowan: it sounds like you're looking for something that is more of a GUI designer .. like Altova has |
| 18:24.24 | Eulex | eldowan, vim works well for me |
| 18:25.02 | eldowan | abrotman: that was the desire. I've got a large nmap xml output and I'd like to transform it to a simple spreadsheet throush xsl. |
| 18:25.11 | eldowan | abrotman: Eulex: thanks for the tips. |
| 18:25.35 | abrotman | i'm sure there's a perl script that does that :) |
| 18:25.36 | eldowan | Eulex: Does vim have a learning curve like vi does for me? ( like this: | ) |
| 18:25.45 | abrotman | vim and vi are mostly the same |
| 18:25.50 | Eulex | eldowan, it does |
| 18:25.51 | *** join/#debian h0Ly5h17 (n=AsskiCke@c122-3.i05-31.onvol.net) |
| 18:25.55 | *** join/#debian demi_alucard (n=I@189.61.83.215) |
| 18:26.02 | *** part/#debian Petoril (n=ondo@aeik113.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 18:26.05 | Eulex | although VIM is IMproved :P |
| 18:26.25 | eldowan | hrm. :/ i'll probably steer clear of that for the time being. I've spent 30 minutes trying to quit vi, and I'm trying to have this done in the next couple of hours... |
| 18:26.43 | abrotman | eldowan: in command mode .. ":wq" or "ZZ" |
| 18:26.52 | *** join/#debian zysr (n=zysr@b2.confederationc.on.ca) |
| 18:27.26 | eldowan | Has anyone found if jetscreamer is OK, I heard that he was hit hard by the hurricane recently |
| 18:27.33 | abrotman | he's been around |
| 18:27.57 | abrotman | not sure if bluefish woould do xml/xsl or not |
| 18:28.01 | Si1ver1ock | eldowan: mc may be for you |
| 18:28.10 | eldowan | midnight commander? |
| 18:28.13 | Si1ver1ock | yes |
| 18:28.31 | eldowan | abrotman: I didn't even consider bluefish. I even hav it installed. sweet. Silver: I'll take a look |
| 18:28.43 | eldowan | Si1ver1ock: ^ |
| 18:28.45 | abrotman | eldowan: don't be surprised if it doesn't do what yu want |
| 18:28.58 | eldowan | abrotman: I don't have high expectations. |
| 18:31.11 | eldowan | Si1ver1ock: I thought mc was just a file manager, its a file editor too? |
| 18:31.28 | *** join/#debian Raylz (n=bernhard@85-126-206-52.teleworker.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 18:31.34 | *** join/#debian WastePotato (n=Ellis_St@unaffiliated/wastepotato) |
| 18:31.44 | Raylz | whats the difference between icecat and iceweasel? |
| 18:32.05 | *** join/#debian vampirefrog (n=mihai@91.192.140.44) |
| 18:32.15 | Si1ver1ock | yes, for smallish files, has syntax coloring etx quick viewing and other stuff |
| 18:32.36 | *** join/#debian prolix (n=user@c-76-28-238-157.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 18:32.44 | eldowan | Si1ver1ock: hmmm |
| 18:32.49 | Si1ver1ock | best app for console work |
| 18:33.19 | *** join/#debian mirak (n=mirak@81-66-70-98.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 18:33.24 | eldowan | Raylz: GNU IceCat, formerly known as GNU IceWeasel.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_IceCat |
| 18:33.53 | *** join/#debian seanmce (n=sean@va-71-48-141-132.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 18:33.54 | *** join/#debian Starwatcher (n=David@67-54-209-63.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 18:35.06 | seanmce | this is extremely slow: dd if=/dev/random of=tenmegs bs=1024 count=10240 |
| 18:35.11 | *** join/#debian kalpik (n=kalpik@unaffiliated/kalpik) |
| 18:35.21 | seanmce | anybody know why? |
| 18:35.23 | *** join/#debian pedro_mg (n=pedromg@89.214.8.223) |
| 18:35.36 | eldowan | seanmce: are you doing 10240 iterations of tenmegs? |
| 18:35.44 | stew | seanmce: yes, becuase you are out of entropy, use /dev/urandom instead |
| 18:35.49 | seanmce | i just want 1 ten meg files |
| 18:35.55 | abrotman | and you're also using /dev/random |
| 18:36.06 | seanmce | ok, i'll try urandom |
| 18:36.14 | abrotman | i meant to use /dev/zero |
| 18:36.21 | *** join/#debian Jemt (n=Jemt@0x5550950d.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 18:36.45 | seanmce | if has to be a little random so ssh want compress it, i'm timing an scp |
| 18:36.56 | *** join/#debian geogre (n=yydoow@116.232.186.255) |
| 18:37.18 | seanmce | thanks, urandom worked |
| 18:37.21 | *** join/#debian geogre (n=yydoow@116.232.186.255) |
| 18:37.45 | Jemt | Hi. I was wondering - is it possible to have Gnome/Nautilus hide mounted USB devices? I don't want them to show up on the Desktop - and being able to hide them completely in the Nautilus browser would be great too. |
| 18:38.17 | Si1ver1ock | out of entropy? drill drill drill .... |
| 18:38.27 | *** join/#debian killown (n=killown@unaffiliated/killown) |
| 18:38.43 | *** join/#debian raz0 (n=raz0@217.198.211.234) |
| 18:39.11 | Si1ver1ock | ponders his entropy footprint |
| 18:39.15 | *** join/#debian smaug9 (n=jwardlaw@rrcs-24-97-121-200.nys.biz.rr.com) |
| 18:39.53 | *** part/#debian damjan (n=damjan@217.16.95.15) |
| 18:40.19 | *** part/#debian smaug9 (n=jwardlaw@rrcs-24-97-121-200.nys.biz.rr.com) |
| 18:40.53 | abrotman | seanmce: it will go faster with /dev/zero |
| 18:41.03 | abrotman | oh sorry .. missed the compression bit |
| 18:42.04 | *** join/#debian Korozec (n=fredi@setinet.com.br) |
| 18:43.23 | eOliva | the debian port to AMD64 can be used to Intel 64 processors too? |
| 18:43.24 | Raylz | eldowan: are they exactly the same? |
| 18:43.37 | eOliva | as they have the same x86 instruction set... |
| 18:43.42 | eldowan | Raylz: seems that the name was changed, and icecat is the new project name going forward. |
| 18:44.23 | *** join/#debian Jack_Sparrow (n=Jack_Spa@unaffiliated/jacksparrow/x-876322) |
| 18:44.32 | stew | eOliva: yes |
| 18:44.58 | *** join/#debian floe__ (n=flo@g225027174.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 18:45.06 | eOliva | stew, ok, thanks :) |
| 18:46.15 | *** join/#debian Starwatcher (n=David@67-54-209-63.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 18:46.44 | *** join/#debian mick_laptop (n=skywalke@clamwin/admin/mickhome) |
| 18:48.25 | *** join/#debian ealdor (n=ealdor@117.Red-83-37-176.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 18:48.38 | *** join/#debian Cato9021 (n=naw@cm-84.215.70.89.getinternet.no) |
| 18:48.49 | *** join/#debian D_ReaL_PuNiShEr (n=flowman4@41.219.229.86) |
| 18:50.12 | *** join/#debian m4ggus (n=marcus@p5B037240.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:50.38 | *** join/#debian dbadm (n=dbadm@189.51.231.70) |
| 18:51.01 | rektide | is there any way i can use date to print a time in the future? |
| 18:52.06 | Kumool | you cant? |
| 18:52.14 | Eulex | you can, and it's in the manual |
| 18:52.18 | rektide | i dont know how to get it to print anything other than "now" |
| 18:52.24 | Eulex | it's even the first command line option mentioned |
| 18:52.42 | abrotman | b-b-b-but!?! |
| 18:53.22 | *** join/#debian chomwitt_ (n=chomwitt@adsl83-246.ath.forthnet.gr) |
| 18:53.30 | rektide | i'd like to specify an offset |
| 18:53.41 | rektide | not an absolute date |
| 18:54.21 | Eulex | get a unix timestamp, add or subtruct as much as you want, convert back into another date format. |
| 18:54.28 | *** join/#debian lazyfrosch (n=markus@p5798F9AF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:55.51 | *** join/#debian Tidus (n=Tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) |
| 18:57.46 | *** join/#debian apt (i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt) |
| 18:57.46 | *** topic/#debian is 4.0r4a released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic |
| 18:57.54 | *** join/#debian roxy_ (n=roxy_@63.78.74-86.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 18:58.00 | adama | to print one week from now: date -d+1week +%s |
| 18:58.29 | miky4e | hello ;) I have a big problem with b43-fwcutter packge |
| 18:58.33 | abrotman | how big? |
| 18:58.48 | rektide | omg!!! thats exactly what i'm looking for adama! thanks! |
| 18:59.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 892] by debhelper |
| 18:59.06 | adama | Irssi can read minds |
| 18:59.15 | rektide | i dont see any reference for what --date accepts... any idea where i can look? |
| 18:59.17 | abrotman | or can read google :) |
| 18:59.33 | stew | and for 1 fortnight from now, -d+1fortnight ; i am always tickled by that |
| 18:59.40 | rektide | google.com/search?q=date..... veerrry useful abrotman |
| 18:59.48 | Tidus | a fortnight bein two weeks |
| 18:59.49 | abrotman | rektide: try 'info date' |
| 19:00.16 | adama | rektide: google. pretty much + or -, a number, a unit of time. |
| 19:00.16 | abrotman | info date has way more stuff than man date (at least on lenny) |
| 19:01.11 | rektide | yeah that info looks good. i tend to neglect the info pages. |
| 19:01.28 | *** join/#debian Sumpen (n=Sumpen@81-233-149-215-no82.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 19:01.31 | abrotman | mostly they're the same as the man pages |
| 19:01.36 | miky4e | why bcm43xx work under ubuntu but doesn't work under debian etch? (on apple ibook3 ppc) |
| 19:01.40 | *** join/#debian unixSnob (n=jgombos@prod00.pvpn.sfo.witopia.net) |
| 19:01.50 | *** join/#debian wurstwolf (n=wurstwol@BAEe9e7.bae.pppool.de) |
| 19:01.59 | abrotman | why not? |
| 19:02.22 | *** part/#debian unixSnob (n=jgombos@prod00.pvpn.sfo.witopia.net) |
| 19:03.41 | shiloh7_ | oks, shutting down to load, got my lappy on in here if i do something wrong, this is so fun |
| 19:03.52 | *** join/#debian buscon (n=buscon@f053004114.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 19:04.10 | abrotman | miky4e: which version of debian and which kernel ? |
| 19:04.21 | miky4e | debian 4.0 |
| 19:04.28 | miky4e | and 2.18 kernel for ppc machine |
| 19:04.29 | abrotman | uname -a ? |
| 19:04.38 | abrotman | and you tried to use the bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 19:04.52 | miky4e | sorry but now I use a mac os x system (i need wireless conn.) |
| 19:05.26 | *** join/#debian chomwitt (n=chomwitt@adsl69-84.ath.forthnet.gr) |
| 19:05.52 | miky4e | But in the repo, doesn't exists bcm43xx package.... |
| 19:05.54 | Lagbolt | miky4e, what version of ubuntu were you using? might have been newer kern? |
| 19:06.02 | abrotman | miky4e: i think i grabbed the bcm43xx-fwcutter from packages.debian.org .. ripped it open .. read the script, got the firmware and burned it to a CD .. then rebooted to linux and dropped it in the same place |
| 19:06.04 | miky4e | mmm ubuntu 7.10 |
| 19:06.06 | *** join/#debian kalpik (n=kalpik@unaffiliated/kalpik) |
| 19:06.19 | abrotman | oh .. and then voila! |
| 19:06.35 | abrotman | champagne .. caviar .. crackerjack .. |
| 19:07.17 | miky4e | ubuntu 7.10's kernel... is newer than debian etch... |
| 19:07.19 | Lagbolt | miky4e, i think thats 2.6.22 kern |
| 19:07.33 | Lagbolt | miky4e, you might try using a more recent kern, backports |
| 19:07.38 | miky4e | yeah, I'm reading on Internet |
| 19:07.46 | abrotman | no .. his kernel should work |
| 19:07.51 | abrotman | the G3 is older than etch |
| 19:07.58 | miky4e | yes, sorry but one... what I add a backports on my sources.list? :S |
| 19:08.12 | abrotman | miky4e: i think i grabbed the bcm43xx-fwcutter from packages.debian.org .. ripped it open .. read the script, got the firmware and burned it to a CD .. then rebooted to linux and dropped it in the same place |
| 19:08.31 | miky4e | thanks abrotman ;) |
| 19:08.34 | abrotman | i had etch working on a PPC G4 macmini .. etch should work on an ibook g3 |
| 19:09.01 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-248867.home.otenet.gr) |
| 19:09.35 | *** part/#debian WastePotato (n=Ellis_St@unaffiliated/wastepotato) |
| 19:10.35 | miky4e | ibook is a fantastic machine |
| 19:10.40 | miky4e | with debian, is the top system! ;) |
| 19:10.59 | *** join/#debian h0twired (n=dcn113@PollockMega-Mobile241.cac-labs.psu.edu) |
| 19:11.07 | *** join/#debian cgibin (n=cgibin@i.m.from.armenia.li) |
| 19:11.50 | miky4e | thanks to all ;) good day!! |
| 19:11.53 | *** join/#debian zink_ (n=GOTA@pc-110-112-86-200.cm.vtr.net) |
| 19:11.54 | *** part/#debian miky4e (n=miky4e@78.134.64.202) |
| 19:12.09 | abrotman | probably easier if he'd just plugin the 10/100 though :) |
| 19:13.25 | *** join/#debian SexyKen (n=ken@c-67-160-193-210.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 19:13.31 | *** join/#debian D_R_P (n=flowman4@41.219.243.57) |
| 19:13.50 | *** join/#debian bpgoldsb (n=bpgoldsb@spatialdata2-gru-gw.customer.gru.net) |
| 19:15.34 | *** join/#debian mezod (i=nnscript@99.Red-80-34-140.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 19:15.40 | *** join/#debian thrope (n=thrope@87-194-103-206.bethere.co.uk) |
| 19:15.54 | *** join/#debian Wiz126 (i=Wiz126@72.20.229.202) |
| 19:15.55 | billybongo | what's the correct syntax for /etc/network/interfaces to put an interface into promiscuous mode on ifup ? |
| 19:16.11 | Sweetandy | OMG! I bought a USB stick the other day, and it wasn't hard to choose which one. It said it works on MS Windows ME/2000/XP/Vista, Mac OS 9.x+, and Linux kernel 2.4 or higher |
| 19:16.14 | Sweetandy | And you know what, it works |
| 19:16.15 | *** join/#debian s14ck (n=s14ck@190.36.58.17) |
| 19:16.25 | *** join/#debian jelly-home (n=jelly@islands.iskon.hr) |
| 19:16.31 | *** join/#debian infernixx (i=gerben@unaffiliated/infernix) |
| 19:16.44 | billybongo | Sweetandy: have you ever tried a usb storage device that didn't work lately? |
| 19:16.48 | MacGyverNL | Sweetandy: I sincerely hope you're kidding. |
| 19:16.53 | peppe | a "usb stick"? do you mean some usb storage? |
| 19:16.59 | Sweetandy | billybongo: Well no. |
| 19:17.09 | billybongo | they all work the same, as far as I know |
| 19:17.10 | Sweetandy | MacGyverNL: What? |
| 19:17.20 | Sweetandy | But it ADVERTISED it |
| 19:17.22 | Sweetandy | Yay |
| 19:17.46 | MacGyverNL | If the USB stick needs that kind of advertising I wonder what the catch is going to be ;P |
| 19:18.38 | Sweetandy | The catch was that it's 1.85 GB instead of the advertised 2 GB |
| 19:18.59 | billybongo | is that before or after initialising? |
| 19:19.09 | Sweetandy | You mean I should wipe it? |
| 19:19.27 | billybongo | not necessarily |
| 19:19.39 | stew | dpkg: convert 2 gibitypes to gigabytes |
| 19:19.41 | dpkg | 2 gibitypes cannot be converted to gigabytes: Unknown unit 'gibitypes' |
| 19:19.46 | billybongo | but if you are planning on only using it with debian you clould put ext3 on it |
| 19:19.46 | *** part/#debian Raylz (n=bernhard@85-126-206-52.teleworker.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 19:19.53 | stew | dpkg: convert 2 gibibytes to gigabytes |
| 19:19.54 | dpkg | 2 gibibytes is approximately 2.14748 gigabytes |
| 19:20.16 | stew | dpkg: convert 1.85 gibibytes to gigabytes |
| 19:20.18 | dpkg | 1.85 gibibytes is approximately 1.98642 gigabytes |
| 19:20.18 | *** join/#debian jbasse (n=jbasse@104.226-241-81.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 19:20.24 | *** join/#debian vadmeste (n=db@41.224.190.7) |
| 19:20.25 | Sweetandy | Ah. |
| 19:20.35 | Sweetandy | I see now. |
| 19:20.59 | Sweetandy | dpkg: convert 2 gigabytes to gibibytes |
| 19:21.00 | dpkg | 2 gigabytes is approximately 1.86265 gibibytes |
| 19:21.03 | Sweetandy | Aha. |
| 19:21.16 | *** join/#debian zeta (n=zeta@CPE002191074172-CM0013718d3546.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 19:21.30 | billybongo | but why would debian return the number of gibibytes not gigabytes? |
| 19:21.37 | jelly-home | billybongo: "debian"? |
| 19:21.42 | billybongo | linux |
| 19:21.48 | billybongo | you know that operating system thing we use |
| 19:21.50 | jelly-home | which app? |
| 19:21.50 | Sweetandy | Oh that was on my Mac. I don't use X on my Debian computer |
| 19:21.53 | *** join/#debian dondelelcaro (n=don@rzlab3.ucr.edu) |
| 19:21.55 | billybongo | df |
| 19:21.59 | billybongo | if you want to be specific |
| 19:22.02 | billybongo | or whatever he used |
| 19:22.13 | Sweetandy | I don't know how to mount USB via consol oh wait google will tell me that. |
| 19:22.59 | jelly-home | billybongo: because the computer science people like powers-of-2 units |
| 19:23.42 | billybongo | oh yeah, that's the other way around to what I expected |
| 19:23.48 | Trewas | billybongo: df has --si option if you want sane units... all programs tend to use power-of-two units for historical reasons |
| 19:24.00 | *** join/#debian NetEcho (n=Jordan@unaffiliated/netecho) |
| 19:24.33 | billybongo | back in the good old days I'm sure that we used powers of 2 and still called them kilobytes, megabytes etc |
| 19:24.50 | Sweetandy | And of course it works perfectly |
| 19:24.52 | vadmeste | Hi.. How can I change the keyboard mapping for GDM ? |
| 19:24.54 | jelly-home | Trewas: disk vendor programs possibly don't |
| 19:25.34 | jelly-home | billybongo: powers-of-ten units predate your fancy-schmancy silicon-based RAM |
| 19:25.35 | wols_ | !tell vadmeste about drxx |
| 19:25.55 | jelly-home | billybongo: that is, they were there before powers-of-2 |
| 19:25.57 | vadmeste | thanks |
| 19:26.22 | Trewas | jelly-home: ok, most programs, and some even use GB/GiB etc correctly |
| 19:26.29 | billybongo | according to wikipedia, "When referring to RAM sizes and file sizes, it traditionally has a binary definition, of 1024 bytes" |
| 19:26.42 | *** join/#debian lataffe (n=lataffe@249.84-48-223.nextgentel.com) |
| 19:26.55 | billybongo | sorry that should be 1024^3 |
| 19:27.02 | *** join/#debian lynucs (n=lynucs@pD9E392ED.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:27.20 | billybongo | not that I'm claiming that wikipedia is infallible |
| 19:27.44 | billybongo | My oric-1 had 64 kbytes of RAM allegedly, and that made 65536 bytes |
| 19:27.53 | *** join/#debian Wertus (n=ondo@aeip11.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 19:28.36 | jelly-home | billybongo: there were computers before 8bit micros |
| 19:28.38 | billybongo | that was in 1983 - were kibibytes aroud then |
| 19:29.45 | enouf | don't make me rmssmite you |
| 19:29.45 | *** join/#debian seanmce (n=sean@va-71-48-141-132.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 19:29.46 | jelly-home | but anyway, I think you'll be able to find interesting external references near that wp page |
| 19:30.30 | vadmeste | I installed firmware-iwl3945.. but it doesn't work.. To make it work, I just do this "modprobe -r iwl3945 && modprobe iwl3945".. |
| 19:30.42 | abrotman | which versoin of debian ? |
| 19:30.52 | vadmeste | lenny |
| 19:31.03 | billybongo | so, does anyone know how to put an interface into promisc at boot except by writing an extra init script i.e. can it be done in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 19:31.06 | abrotman | !tell vadmeste about iwlwifi |
| 19:32.34 | vadmeste | abrotman, there are no useful informations on the websites.. just tell me one thing.. Can I change set the order of loading modules ? |
| 19:32.48 | abrotman | you want iwlwifi .. not iwl3945 |
| 19:33.09 | billybongo | jelly-home: according to http://www.iec.ch/zone/si/si_bytes.htm the KiB/MiB/GiB units were only adopted in 2000 |
| 19:33.53 | vadmeste | abrotman, iwlwifi is a name of a package.. iwl3945 is a name of module.. |
| 19:33.53 | jelly-home | doesn't care |
| 19:34.05 | vadmeste | kernel |
| 19:34.13 | abrotman | oh doh .. i was thinking ipw3945 .. sorrty |
| 19:34.19 | abrotman | vadmeste: you got the firmware ? |
| 19:34.26 | vadmeste | yeah abrotman |
| 19:34.36 | vadmeste | abrotman, it worked for me |
| 19:34.53 | vadmeste | but just after doing this "modprobe -r iwl3945 && modprobe iwl3945" |
| 19:35.08 | *** join/#debian onx^ (n=onx@unaffiliated/onx) |
| 19:35.39 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@ppp-71-128-4-38.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 19:35.45 | *** join/#debian Xttor (n=irc@h57n2c1o290.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 19:35.58 | *** part/#debian wacky_ (n=abourget@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net) |
| 19:37.10 | *** join/#debian StFS (n=stefan@194-144-6-113.du.xdsl.is) |
| 19:37.36 | *** join/#debian Astroman (n=Astroman@78-86-76-230.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 19:39.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 885] by debhelper |
| 19:39.38 | StFS | hello, I'm trying to downgrade my qt4 to the version that is in the official repository but I'm having a difficult time. I've managed to get aptitude to suggest exactly what I want to do (remove a few packages, downgrade a few and install one for dependency) but when I run it I get this error message "trying to overwrite `/usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_ar.qm', which is also in package libqtcore4" |
| 19:39.51 | *** join/#debian holymoly (n=new@mail.wjsgroup.com) |
| 19:39.58 | *** join/#debian Ian_Daniher (n=it@204.10.219.119) |
| 19:40.16 | wols_ | then uninstall libqtcore4 |
| 19:40.30 | *** join/#debian nn64 (n=nn@c-24-127-152-55.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 19:40.37 | *** join/#debian anders_ (n=anders@213-145-172-254.dd.nextgentel.com) |
| 19:40.49 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@ppp-71-128-4-38.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 19:41.00 | StFS | wols_: I can't, then I loose the "transition" package and that means removing the whole KDE environment (which I don't want to do) |
| 19:41.48 | wols_ | StFS: there are reasons why downgrades are not supported. and you won't lose anything if you know how to use dpkg |
| 19:42.37 | StFS | wols_: besides, that is sort of what it's supposed to do... but it just doesn't perform that removal it seems before the downgrade, so the downgrade complains and the removal is never performed. |
| 19:42.45 | *** join/#debian SlackDeb (n=fperetti@201.254.126.59) |
| 19:43.16 | wols_ | what command is "that is sort of what it's supposed to do"? |
| 19:43.47 | StFS | wols_: well... that's why I'm here... how can I remove libqtcore4 without removing everything that depends on it? If I could do that my problem would be solved. |
| 19:43.49 | wols_ | and dpkg does exactly what you tell it to, including removing stuff |
| 19:43.51 | StFS | wols_: aptitude |
| 19:43.59 | wols_ | StFS: you use the wrong tool |
| 19:44.47 | jelly-home | StFS: remove with dpkg, fix the rest with aptitude -f install |
| 19:44.47 | StFS | wols_: well, ok, fair enough... although I must give aptitude credit for coming up with a very convincing suggestion about what to remove, what to downgrade and what to install... |
| 19:44.54 | *** join/#debian Starwatcher (n=David@67-54-209-63.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 19:45.21 | *** join/#debian harobed (n=harobed@arl57-1-82-231-110-14.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 19:45.40 | wols_ | aptitude can never bring the system in an inconsistent state, which is why it's useless for downgrades. you have to know what you are doing, use dpkg and latter fix the breakage so apt is happy again |
| 19:45.40 | aptitude | wols_: what are you talking about? |
| 19:45.41 | *** join/#debian Starwatcher (n=David@67-54-209-63.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 19:46.23 | *** join/#debian geogre (n=yydoow@116.232.186.255) |
| 19:46.55 | StFS | wols_, jelly-home: ok, fair enough, but just so that I don't screw anything up, how do I tell dpkg to remove libqtcore4 without removing everything that depends on it? |
| 19:47.22 | *** join/#debian Cahan (n=four@cpc1-cani1-0-0-cust174.renf.cable.ntl.com) |
| 19:48.17 | wols_ | StFS: dpkg doesn't handle dependencies. since you don't know anything about package management I very much suggest you don't do this downgrade |
| 19:48.28 | Cahan | I've been trying to install linux-uvc-source on lenny, but the package cannot be found : / |
| 19:48.35 | wols_ | the likelihood of you screing up your debian is very high |
| 19:48.47 | *** join/#debian Gini` (n=Maitre@28.148.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 19:49.19 | *** part/#debian Gini` (n=Maitre@28.148.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 19:49.49 | StFS | wols_: thank you for believing in me... |
| 19:49.52 | StFS | wols_: dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of libqtcore4: |
| 19:49.58 | StFS | wols_: you were saying? |
| 19:50.05 | stew | StFS: you just need to downgrade libqtcore4 at the same time that you downgrade everything else |
| 19:50.19 | StFS | stew: well, that's the problem... there isn't such a package |
| 19:50.35 | stew | judd: versions libqtcore4 |
| 19:50.36 | judd | stew: libqtcore4: 4.4.0-4 (lenny) 4.4.0-4 (sid) |
| 19:50.39 | StFS | stew: they changed the name and made the old one a "transitional dummy package" |
| 19:51.02 | stew | StFS: which old one? what are you trying to downgrade to? |
| 19:51.06 | StFS | stew: I'm on ubuntu... sorry, failed to mention that |
| 19:51.15 | StFS | prepares for the kick |
| 19:51.18 | stew | StFS: you should be asking in #ubuntu then |
| 19:51.50 | StFS | stew: I did that, they don't know much about apt it seems, and on top of that, they're crowded |
| 19:52.05 | wols_ | StFS: we still won't support ubuntu, no matter how often you beg |
| 19:52.09 | *** join/#debian Syn- (n=hisyn@c-76-117-57-221.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 19:52.12 | stew | StFS: try a ubuntu mailing list or a ubuntu web-forum then. sorry we are unable to help |
| 19:52.26 | *** join/#debian yuijin (n=yuijin@85.108.198.111) |
| 19:52.35 | StFS | you guys are unbelievable... this is not an ubuntu question... it's an apt/dpkg question |
| 19:52.39 | *** join/#debian rwaite (n=richard@rrcs-74-218-125-86.central.biz.rr.com) |
| 19:52.52 | *** join/#debian elenril (n=wiskas@ip-241-138.pel.cz) |
| 19:52.53 | stew | StFS: i don't know of an apt/dpkg channel. its ceratinly not a debian question. sorry |
| 19:53.06 | abrotman | StFS: we didn't give you your apt/dpkg .. ubuntu did .. they change it |
| 19:53.16 | *** join/#debian rwaite (n=richard@rrcs-74-218-125-86.central.biz.rr.com) |
| 19:53.20 | wols_ | abrotman: more like they gave him his fscked up packages |
| 19:53.27 | abrotman | well .. can't help there either |
| 19:53.35 | *** join/#debian elenril (n=wiskas@ip-241-138.pel.cz) |
| 19:54.13 | rwaite | so what's the word on lenny? i heard a rumor it would be released by september |
| 19:54.21 | wols_ | !tell rwaite about wwlr |
| 19:54.25 | jelly-home | rwaite: lies! |
| 19:54.26 | stew | rwaite: not likely: /msg dpkg lenny-status |
| 19:54.55 | rwaite | so september of 2015 maybe? |
| 19:55.06 | stew | rwaite: somewhere in between |
| 19:55.17 | *** join/#debian jakub__ (n=jkb@fci.jiznak.cz) |
| 19:55.19 | rwaite | :) |
| 19:55.41 | *** join/#debian _karl_ (n=dean@pool-71-96-192-173.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 19:56.35 | rwaite | so that's it? 248 bugs and its done? |
| 19:56.44 | rwaite | hmm i need to start helping :) |
| 19:57.06 | *** join/#debian jelly-home (n=jelly@islands.iskon.hr) |
| 19:57.35 | abrotman | rwaite: be much appreciated if you did :) |
| 19:57.46 | *** join/#debian polter (n=johan@h-70-80.A183.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 19:58.15 | rwaite | maybe if i help enough i will get a shiny @debian.org email address ;) |
| 19:58.16 | abrotman | should probably file multiple RC bugs against kahzenshkse-webkit though |
| 19:58.51 | stew | abrotman: and you should help with the BSP marathon in brooklyn |
| 19:59.01 | *** join/#debian D_ReaL_PuNiShEr (n=flowman4@41.219.216.161) |
| 19:59.06 | abrotman | stew: oh .. but that's my birthday weekend! |
| 19:59.36 | stew | bah |
| 19:59.36 | *** join/#debian floe (n=flo@e179040020.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 20:00.06 | abrotman | stew: is it still just the three of you |
| 20:00.16 | abrotman | stew: (that said .. i have zero plans for that weekend as of yet) |
| 20:00.26 | stew | abrotman: i dunno, we should be able to drum up some more |
| 20:00.31 | stew | Hydroxide: like you |
| 20:01.37 | *** join/#debian nonfatmatt (n=m@c-76-20-36-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 20:02.11 | *** join/#debian shahri (n=shahri@p57A845F9.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:03.35 | *** join/#debian regis1 (n=regis@ip-219.net-89-3-191.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 20:04.06 | *** join/#debian Amorphous (i=jan@unaffiliated/amorphous) |
| 20:04.20 | abrotman | dunno stew .. i've had my life threated you know .. |
| 20:05.05 | *** join/#debian drwahl (n=drwahl@nat180.classmates.com) |
| 20:05.52 | drwahl | i'm running low on free space on my root partition (only 2 partions, root and home) and i see that /var/cache/apt/archives has a ton of .debs in it. is it ok to delete those manually? |
| 20:06.04 | *** join/#debian WDC_ (n=dlemcoe@unaffiliated/wdc) |
| 20:06.09 | WDC_ | Hey hey! |
| 20:06.41 | WDC_ | I have Debian on a ex-Ubuntu box and the Ubuntu box got online JUST fine but with Debian it says "network unreachable" |
| 20:06.47 | *** join/#debian dubphil (n=dubphil@migratis.net) |
| 20:07.06 | abrotman | WDC_: wireless or wired? and what kind of device? |
| 20:07.14 | abrotman | drwahl: aptitude clean |
| 20:07.17 | *** join/#debian ezguy (n=meng@gateway.penguincomputing.com) |
| 20:07.20 | dubphil | Hello anyone have you used the last netinstall cd succesfully ? |
| 20:07.20 | *** part/#debian ezguy (n=meng@gateway.penguincomputing.com) |
| 20:07.26 | *** join/#debian ezguy (n=meng@gateway.penguincomputing.com) |
| 20:07.34 | n3kl | lenny beta2 |
| 20:07.37 | WDC_ | abrotman: Wired, Davicom Semi |
| 20:08.13 | drwahl | abrotman: that did it, thank you |
| 20:08.30 | n3kl | is lenny stable now? |
| 20:08.36 | drwahl | abrotman: i did do apt-get autoclean, which i thought did the same thing. do you know what the difference is between the two? |
| 20:08.37 | dubphil | in the midle of the base install i have this error: syntax error unknown user 'uucp' and the install fail |
| 20:09.13 | *** join/#debian ^chaoz^ (n=_chaoz_@125.161.200.23) |
| 20:09.16 | drwahl | dubphil: i just installed lenny-amd64 via netinstall 2 days ago without any issues |
| 20:09.23 | *** join/#debian s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-237.wlms-broadband.com) |
| 20:09.43 | dubphil | drwahl: i'm talking about the etch one sorry |
| 20:09.50 | WDC_ | abrotman: Ideas? |
| 20:10.54 | Cahan | I've been trying to install linux-uvc-source on lenny, but the package cannot be found, any ideas? |
| 20:11.19 | dubphil | and the businesscard one has got a wrong signature :( |
| 20:12.15 | dubphil | I try to burn it with K3B but it says that the burned image is not the same as the original one |
| 20:12.17 | *** join/#debian rouex (n=roue@pool-225-172.res.carleton.edu) |
| 20:12.40 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@ppp-71-128-4-38.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 20:12.41 | dubphil | i have no way to install debian |
| 20:12.50 | StFS | woohoo... problem solved... I'll make sure to give you all credit for the great help you were and for believing in me. Seriously guys, cheer up! |
| 20:13.30 | *** join/#debian surgeon_ (n=surgeon@ruede.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE) |
| 20:13.35 | WDC_ | Anyone please help me? |
| 20:13.52 | WDC_ | My davicom Tulip compatable NIC isn't working |
| 20:14.01 | stew | judd: bug 497229 |
| 20:14.01 | judd | stew: Bug #497229 (done) ftp.debian.org -- RM: linux-uvc -- ROM; superseded by uvc in 2.6.26 kernel; Severity: normal; Last Modified: 2008-09-03 15:35:03 |
| 20:14.12 | *** join/#debian killown (n=killown@unaffiliated/killown) |
| 20:14.19 | stew | Cahan: ^^^ it seems that you shouldn't need linux-uvc-source anymore becuase uvc is in the lenny kernel |
| 20:15.25 | Cahan | stew, modprobe returned nothing though : / |
| 20:15.43 | StFS | WDC_: I don't know if debian has this command (ubuntu does) but try to do a "lshw" and see if you can find your network card in that list |
| 20:15.54 | stew | Cahan: that's a good thing |
| 20:16.07 | *** join/#debian nvz (i=nvz@91.sub-70-212-209.myvzw.com) |
| 20:16.12 | WDC_ | StFS: No, doesn't work |
| 20:16.13 | StFS | WDC_: that should then tell you what driver is being used on that device |
| 20:16.23 | stew | Cahan: generally when modprobe doesn't print anything it means it succeeded |
| 20:16.24 | *** join/#debian Kryptt (n=Kryptt@212.237.19.33) |
| 20:16.46 | *** join/#debian OncrAckz (n=ircap751@217.Red-88-0-201.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:16.48 | nvz | does anyone know of any software Debian/Windows/WindowsMobile that will allow me to use the IR port as a universal remote for like TVs and VCRs |
| 20:17.06 | *** join/#debian jose_oliveira (n=jose@200.198.212.5) |
| 20:17.08 | nvz | both my laptop and pocketPC have IR ports, and I got a tv and vcr/dvd player here with no remote for it |
| 20:17.13 | StFS | WDC_: well... sorry then dude... I'm just an ubuntu guy... and good luck with getting help from the elite here |
| 20:17.16 | *** part/#debian StFS (n=stefan@194-144-6-113.du.xdsl.is) |
| 20:17.21 | *** join/#debian Sarunas (n=saras@cl167-092.parabole.lt) |
| 20:17.44 | *** join/#debian agurchik (i=meshkis@cl167-224.parabole.lt) |
| 20:17.45 | stew | Sarunas: english only in here please |
| 20:18.07 | *** join/#debian q-tip (n=simon@dc5147a6cd.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 20:18.09 | agurchik | stew, what did you say? |
| 20:18.12 | WDC_ | Anyone help with a NIC problem? I have a Davicom 21x4x card and it doesn't work |
| 20:18.16 | nvz | the language is the only thing you see wrong with that, stew? |
| 20:18.16 | ZOP | Sarunas: and use /msg not /notice. thank you. |
| 20:18.23 | Sarunas | ;] |
| 20:18.26 | bolt | !tell WDC_ about doesn't work |
| 20:18.36 | agurchik | Sako tipo nerasyk msg ir notice |
| 20:18.38 | agurchik | :D |
| 20:18.39 | *** join/#debian itewsh (n=itewsh@APuteaux-551-1-95-7.w92-132.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:18.44 | Sarunas | supratau |
| 20:18.44 | stew | agurchik: english only in here |
| 20:18.50 | Sarunas | neteik dorns esu |
| 20:18.52 | agurchik | stew, ok ok |
| 20:19.00 | agurchik | sorry |
| 20:19.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 894] by debhelper |
| 20:19.15 | agurchik | bet kai stom |
| 20:19.20 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 20:19.21 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@cl167-224.parabole.lt] by stew |
| 20:19.21 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 20:19.22 | Sarunas | kon stom? |
| 20:19.29 | stew | Sarunas: stop |
| 20:19.31 | *** join/#debian _unnickable_ (n=opera@p5B216709.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:19.38 | Sarunas | cbb |
| 20:20.23 | *** kick/#debian [Sarunas!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 20:20.23 | *** join/#debian Sarunas (n=saras@cl167-092.parabole.lt) |
| 20:20.27 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 20:20.28 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@cl167-092.parabole.lt] by stew |
| 20:20.28 | *** part/#debian Sarunas (n=saras@cl167-092.parabole.lt) |
| 20:20.28 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 20:20.37 | *** join/#debian d0lphin_n0el (n=0pensour@85.138.87.170) |
| 20:20.39 | dtcrshr | ahuehaue |
| 20:20.42 | dtcrshr | wtf |
| 20:20.43 | *** part/#debian mokka (n=dum@byrt-4dbf12ed.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 20:20.58 | *** part/#debian agurchik (i=meshkis@cl167-224.parabole.lt) |
| 20:20.59 | Cahan | stew, do you know a program I can use to test my webcam? the uvcviewer didn't work and neither is the youtube quick capture |
| 20:21.09 | *** join/#debian guillaum2 (n=guillaum@gov91-2-82-229-105-120.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 20:21.30 | guillaum2 | hi! |
| 20:21.33 | stew | Cahan: never used one. i'd guess something like "mplayer /dev/video0" |
| 20:22.03 | WDC_ | OKay, I have a Davicom 21x4x and it does not work as in won't get online. Any help |
| 20:22.11 | guillaum2 | i have some basic questions |
| 20:22.59 | guillaum2 | i am on cli only and i want to save wireless conf what is a small tool to do that? |
| 20:23.23 | pistache | guillaum2 : iwconfig ? |
| 20:23.26 | dondelelcaro | guillaum2: just write it into your /etc/network/interfaces; you can even use guessnet to automatically detectwhich network you're in. |
| 20:23.44 | dondelelcaro | if it's just temporary, use iwconfig+ifconfig+dhclient as pistache suggests |
| 20:24.04 | nergoza | anyone can help me ? |
| 20:24.06 | WDC_ | Okay, how would I unload dmfe.ko? |
| 20:24.08 | pistache | dondelelcara: yes your right, my method is just temporary ;) |
| 20:24.10 | nergoza | I installed vncserver |
| 20:24.14 | nergoza | run vncserve |
| 20:24.15 | nergoza | r |
| 20:24.18 | nergoza | set the password |
| 20:24.18 | guillaum2 | pistache: dondelelcaro ok guy it is more easy that i think. Thx |
| 20:24.22 | nergoza | but i cant connect |
| 20:24.34 | nergoza | its telling me that connection refused like its not listening |
| 20:24.37 | WDC_ | nergoza: Less lines please |
| 20:24.42 | WDC_ | nergoza: You have the werong port |
| 20:24.49 | nergoza | i tried many |
| 20:24.50 | nergoza | 5900 |
| 20:24.51 | nergoza | 5901 |
| 20:24.53 | nergoza | 5800 |
| 20:24.56 | *** join/#debian FrankieRK (n=frank@x1-6-00-13-46-07-0a-37.k10.webspeed.dk) |
| 20:24.59 | WDC_ | nergoza: On another computer, go nmap <your ip> and then find the open port |
| 20:25.04 | *** join/#debian iamawake (n=Administ@75-170-54-104.eugn.qwest.net) |
| 20:25.12 | nergoza | WDC_ i did netstat -a |
| 20:25.12 | WDC_ | Okay, how would I unload dmfe.ko? |
| 20:25.19 | nergoza | didnt see any porn |
| 20:25.19 | WDC_ | okay |
| 20:25.20 | nergoza | t |
| 20:25.25 | WDC_ | lol |
| 20:25.33 | *** join/#debian craigevil (n=craigevi@c-98-206-171-62.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 20:25.34 | WDC_ | Well, that means vnc server didn't start |
| 20:25.53 | infinity1 | can you vlan an interface ? are there examples? |
| 20:26.11 | mhymn | WDC_: modprobe -r ? |
| 20:26.13 | guillaum2 | in which package is iwconfig please? |
| 20:26.22 | stew | guillaum2: wireless-tools (/msg dpkg search) |
| 20:26.39 | guillaum2 | stew: thx |
| 20:26.45 | WDC_ | mhymn: COmmand not found |
| 20:27.05 | WDC_ | g2g |
| 20:27.34 | *** join/#debian KennethP (n=kpo@x1-6-00-0f-b5-65-5a-c3.k794.webspeed.dk) |
| 20:27.38 | nergoza | WDC_ found the problem |
| 20:27.43 | nergoza | xserver wasn't installed |
| 20:28.33 | pistache | WDC_ : sudo modprobe |
| 20:29.17 | *** join/#debian abi- (n=sebi@A609f.a.strato-dslnet.de) |
| 20:29.38 | abi- | Hi. if I want to increase the maximum allowed number of file descriptors per process, is there anything other to do than increasing the corresponding ulimit? |
| 20:29.44 | abi- | (like /proc/sys/fs/file-max for system-wide maximum fds) |
| 20:29.48 | *** join/#debian daedric (n=daedric@87-196-79-170.net.novis.pt) |
| 20:31.39 | guillaum2 | i cant detect my ath0 why? |
| 20:32.00 | wols_ | guillaum2: what nic? |
| 20:32.26 | *** join/#debian jakub_ (n=jkb@cat.petriny.net) |
| 20:32.26 | *** join/#debian ktwilight_ (n=ktwiligh@87.66.202.61) |
| 20:32.30 | guillaum2 | atheros |
| 20:32.37 | wols_ | and what kernel? |
| 20:32.46 | guillaum2 | 2.6 |
| 20:32.47 | wols_ | btw: atheros cards never create a ethX |
| 20:33.06 | wols_ | moqq: there ar 26 2.6 kernels. a bit more info needed |
| 20:33.12 | guillaum2 | i said athX |
| 20:33.33 | wols_ | oops. didn't read properly, sorry |
| 20:33.39 | wols_ | still: ansewr the question |
| 20:34.08 | guillaum2 | 2.6.26-1 686 |
| 20:34.16 | *** join/#debian mirak (n=mirak@81-66-70-98.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 20:34.17 | wols_ | is ath5k loaded? |
| 20:34.58 | guillaum2 | how do i see that ^^ |
| 20:34.59 | dtcrshr | hi folks, how do write on my pen drive on debian? |
| 20:35.16 | *** join/#debian xenonex (n=xenonex@89.218.233.88) |
| 20:35.16 | wols_ | dtcrshr: you mount it and write to it, like any other disk/drive |
| 20:35.27 | wols_ | !tell dtcrshr about usb-storage |
| 20:35.34 | felix-da-catz | Is it safe to upgrade postfix right now? |
| 20:35.35 | dtcrshr | hm. it mounted automatically, with only read permissions |
| 20:35.38 | dtcrshr | ill read it, thanks |
| 20:35.54 | wols_ | felix-da-catz: which debian version? |
| 20:36.08 | paxcoder | dpkg bla |
| 20:36.10 | felix-da-catz | 4.0 I believe. Let me check |
| 20:36.14 | *** join/#debian format_c (n=format_c@p57A720D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:36.23 | wols_ | felix-da-catz: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 20:36.34 | *** join/#debian chomwitt_ (n=chomwitt@adsl69-58.ath.forthnet.gr) |
| 20:36.39 | wols_ | guillaum2: well? |
| 20:36.43 | Cahan | mplayer errors with "Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/codec/avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll" : / |
| 20:37.09 | felix-da-catz | wols_ 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:37.12 | guillaum2 | wols_: sorry i told you how do i see module loaded? |
| 20:37.25 | felix-da-catz | lsmod |
| 20:37.30 | wols_ | felix-da-catz: etch = stable. those are always "safe" to update |
| 20:37.39 | felix-da-catz | Ok cool. Thanks wols_ |
| 20:37.49 | wols_ | guillaum2: also "lspci -nn" to see which atheros card you have |
| 20:38.12 | chemist | e |
| 20:38.18 | chemist | oops |
| 20:38.29 | *** part/#debian s14ck (n=s14ck@190.36.58.17) |
| 20:39.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 884] by debhelper |
| 20:39.03 | *** join/#debian jamiejackson (n=jamiejac@unaffiliated/jamiejackson) |
| 20:39.09 | guillaum2 | wols_: i have some results like numbers then rev 04 |
| 20:39.42 | *** join/#debian ewet (i=enno@p54844AFD.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:39.49 | wols_ | guillaum2: unless you pastebin us the output we can't help you. "some numbers" is never a proper answer |
| 20:39.53 | *** join/#debian s14ck (n=s14ck@190.36.58.17) |
| 20:40.03 | *** join/#debian WDC_ (n=dlemcoe@unaffiliated/wdc) |
| 20:40.13 | jon_ | is it more than one number or less than three? |
| 20:40.28 | WDC_ | Hey I need to unload dmfe.ko and load tulip.ko. Is this hard to do? and how do I do it? |
| 20:40.33 | guillaum2 | wols_: i will have some difficults to do that because i run on cli only |
| 20:40.42 | jelly-home | !pastebin pipe |
| 20:40.42 | dpkg | from memory, pastebin pipe is Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.phppipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 20:40.52 | wols_ | guillaum2: well either we get exact answers or you don't get help. your choice |
| 20:41.12 | felix-da-catz | lol from memory. I love it. |
| 20:41.15 | guillaum2 | wols_: yes i know |
| 20:41.48 | WDC_ | Anyway? I need to load tupli.ko to make my vid card work |
| 20:41.50 | jon_ | guillaum2: so use the pastebinpipe thing |
| 20:42.06 | guillaum2 | jon_: yes i will look that |
| 20:42.18 | jon_ | you need netcat |
| 20:42.22 | wols_ | WDC_: makes no sense. tulip is not a videocard driver |
| 20:42.26 | *** part/#debian _unnickable_ (n=opera@p5B216709.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:42.28 | zinx | WDC_: erh, tulip is a network card driver |
| 20:42.31 | ewet | hello, is there an update-notifier applet for _kde_ in lenny? or do I have to use update-notifier (for gnome) instead? |
| 20:42.39 | guillaum2 | jon_: i dl it |
| 20:42.52 | WDC_ | wols_: My bad. I meant NIC, I was working with my vid card just a second ago. sorry :( |
| 20:42.52 | zinx | WDC_: so is dmfe, for that matter |
| 20:42.59 | wols_ | WDC_: checked dmesg? checked your lspci output? |
| 20:43.28 | *** join/#debian tview (n=user@f054124106.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 20:43.37 | WDC_ | zinx: Well, with my card it doesn't help |
| 20:44.01 | mhymn | ewet: negative but you may try #debian-kde too |
| 20:44.13 | *** join/#debian CSI (n=BierScha@p57BB43AA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:44.18 | CSI | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/2199735/ |
| 20:44.21 | *** join/#debian dv_ (n=dv@85-127-102-97.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 20:44.42 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 20:44.43 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@p57BB43AA.dip.t-dialin.net] by stew |
| 20:44.43 | *** part/#debian CSI (n=BierScha@p57BB43AA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:44.43 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 20:44.45 | jon_ | csi: what is that? |
| 20:44.49 | WDC_ | wols_: I did check it, and my card requires tulip to work |
| 20:44.51 | wols_ | jon_: do not click |
| 20:44.53 | stew | jon_: spam, ignore it |
| 20:44.59 | guillaum2 | so i have nc |
| 20:45.05 | *** join/#debian Firestarter- (n=Firestar@cpe-72-226-12-122.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 20:45.12 | *** join/#debian zn3t (i=zn3t@pool-70-105-142-139.char.east.verizon.net) |
| 20:45.26 | wols_ | WDC_: and the rest of the questions? |
| 20:45.42 | jon_ | ok, so now lspci -nn | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
| 20:45.58 | guillaum2 | easy |
| 20:46.14 | dbadm | anyone have where i get a articles abour hardening dedian |
| 20:46.17 | WDC_ | wols_: mesg yields nothing |
| 20:46.43 | zinx | WDC_: the correct module is generally auto-detected / loaded |
| 20:46.45 | WDC_ | dmseg* |
| 20:46.48 | *** join/#debian holycow (n=new@mail.wjsgroup.com) |
| 20:47.04 | WDC_ | zinx: But it doesn't work with this card. I NEED to get rid of dmfe and get tulip a-workin |
| 20:47.07 | abrotman | stew: repeater? |
| 20:47.10 | guillaum2 | is there some way to copy/paste in cli like middle button |
| 20:47.11 | wols_ | WDC_: you don't give us info we ask, we don't give help. fair trade for me. HAND |
| 20:47.13 | abrotman | !tell dbadm about harden |
| 20:47.30 | WDC_ | wols_: what did you asK? |
| 20:47.33 | zinx | WDC_: lspci -nn | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
| 20:47.39 | stew | abrotman: the pennergame link? |
| 20:47.40 | wols_ | WDC_: I told you and wont' repeat |
| 20:47.41 | WDC_ | zinx: I can't do that |
| 20:47.45 | zinx | WDC_: why not? |
| 20:47.53 | abrotman | stew: yeah |
| 20:47.56 | wols_ | zinx: he has no network... |
| 20:47.58 | *** join/#debian propellerhead (n=yogurt2u@host38.190-137-2.telecom.net.ar) |
| 20:48.02 | *** join/#debian rwaite (n=richard@rrcs-74-218-125-86.central.biz.rr.com) |
| 20:48.03 | WDC_ | wols_: THANK YOU |
| 20:48.05 | zinx | then paste it via other means :P |
| 20:48.08 | *** join/#debian vaxman (n=vaxman@87.69.68.200.cable.012.net.il) |
| 20:48.13 | guillaum2 | i will write it for the moment wait a little |
| 20:48.14 | WDC_ | That's, impossible |
| 20:48.17 | zinx | no it isn't |
| 20:48.20 | wols_ | WDC_: you are wrong |
| 20:48.21 | jon_ | no |
| 20:48.22 | zinx | you can copy manually if you have to |
| 20:48.25 | jon_ | not impossible |
| 20:48.27 | WDC_ | Okay sigh |
| 20:48.30 | jon_ | first you put it in a file |
| 20:48.32 | zinx | but you can also use a flash drive / floppy / etc |
| 20:48.50 | jon_ | lspci -nn > mylspcifile.txt |
| 20:48.52 | *** join/#debian Nibbler (n=Nibbler@93-125-140-196.dsl.alice.nl) |
| 20:48.54 | wols_ | zinx: even if he asks for help, he always knows better when you ask him a clarifying qustion. best ignore him |
| 20:49.00 | *** join/#debian lyeberry (n=jarrell@adsl-072-148-047-122.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net) |
| 20:49.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 891] by debhelper |
| 20:49.29 | WDC_ | Ethrenet contreoller: Davicom semi. inc 21x4x DEC-Tulip compat 10/100 Ethrenet rev 31 |
| 20:49.29 | guillaum2 | yes but how i write it in irssi? |
| 20:49.30 | *** join/#debian OxaD (n=Owner@ARouen-151-1-55-118.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:49.32 | WDC_ | there |
| 20:49.54 | jamiejackson | i have a windows share whose files i can modify from a remote box. accessing that same share from linux (using the same credentials), i can add files but not modify them. can anyone help me figure out how to enable file modification? |
| 20:49.55 | *** join/#debian Duddle (n=Duddle@91-67-60-19-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 20:50.09 | *** join/#debian jhutchins_wk (n=jhutchin@gate.corecashless.com) |
| 20:50.16 | WDC_ | wols_: Again, I have found out what I need to do to make it work, and that is to get dmfe.ko 'unloaded' and tulip.ko 'loaded' |
| 20:50.37 | wols_ | WDC_: then why do you ask if you _know_? do you like to waste our time? |
| 20:50.44 | jon_ | tulip, that's a modem isnt' it? |
| 20:50.52 | WDC_ | wols_: I don't know HOW, I know WHAT i need to do |
| 20:50.56 | wols_ | jon_: no. a family of fast ethernet chips |
| 20:51.01 | wols_ | WDC_: man modprobe |
| 20:51.28 | wols_ | WDC_: actually you've been told 20 minutes ago what to do |
| 20:51.36 | zinx | WDC_: modprobe -r dmfe && modprobe tulip if that doesn't work, too bad, that's what you need and nothing else, so we won't be helping you anymore :P |
| 20:51.40 | jamiejackson | //serverA/websites /media/myMounts/serverA/websites smbfs credentials=/home/jamie/.smbcredentials.myDomainA,workgroup=myDomainA,uid=jamie,noauto 0 0 <-- here's the fstab entry (with some real bits substituted). please let me know if i can post anything else that might help |
| 20:51.52 | abrotman | tulip support in 2.6 is iffy |
| 20:51.55 | guillaum2 | http://rafb.net/p/cQelIv87.html |
| 20:52.02 | WDC_ | modprobe is not found |
| 20:52.06 | *** join/#debian AntiSpamMeta (n=MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot) |
| 20:52.23 | WDC_ | My bad, need to be su |
| 20:52.30 | wols_ | WDC_: learn about different users. normal user and root user |
| 20:52.44 | *** join/#debian iamawake1 (n=Administ@75-170-54-104.eugn.qwest.net) |
| 20:53.00 | WDC_ | wols_: I figured it out, thanks and sorry |
| 20:53.06 | WDC_ | How did you do the underlining thing? |
| 20:53.45 | wols_ | underscore, word, underscore. it's a function of your client to display it underlined |
| 20:53.47 | abrotman | like *this* ? |
| 20:53.55 | wols_ | no, like _this_ |
| 20:54.00 | *** part/#debian zicho (n=user@c-7b9ee355.68-7-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 20:54.02 | abrotman | oh .. tricky! |
| 20:54.11 | abrotman | do it with an overline!! |
| 20:54.23 | wols_ | if you tell me the overline key, sure |
| 20:54.29 | *** part/#debian FrankieRK (n=frank@x1-6-00-13-46-07-0a-37.k10.webspeed.dk) |
| 20:54.41 | abrotman | no idea |
| 20:54.45 | *** join/#debian onx_^ (n=onx@xdsl-84-44-129-81.netcologne.de) |
| 20:54.52 | abrotman | ¯ |
| 20:54.56 | abrotman | good enough ? |
| 20:55.06 | wols_ | sure, but what key is it? |
| 20:55.09 | *** join/#debian creepa (n=creepa@c-24-62-99-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 20:55.10 | *** join/#debian vinc (n=vinc@213-140-19-121.fastres.net) |
| 20:55.10 | wols_ | on a german keyboard of course |
| 20:55.26 | jon_ | I don't understand overline |
| 20:55.33 | *** join/#debian bit0 (n=Jose0007@61.Red-80-24-119.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:55.37 | *** join/#debian xenonex (n=xenonex@89.218.233.88) |
| 20:56.12 | vinc | hi.. i'm going to download lenny and i realized there are five dvds available for download. My question is: Is the first dvd enought in order to perform a valid installation? |
| 20:56.13 | ewet | mhymn: i see, thank you |
| 20:56.22 | *** join/#debian hamid_rostami (n=hamid@89.144.143.3) |
| 20:56.26 | wols_ | vinc: yes |
| 20:56.36 | guillaum2 | http://rafb.net/p/cQelIv87.html |
| 20:56.39 | jon_ | yes, and it's also way more |
| 20:56.57 | vinc | thank you |
| 20:57.55 | jon_ | you could get a netinst image and try installing from that, it's only about 150-200 mb |
| 20:57.55 | wols_ | guillaum2: asus netbook? |
| 20:57.55 | guillaum2 | wols_: yes |
| 20:58.04 | *** part/#debian ewet (i=enno@p54844AFD.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:58.06 | *** join/#debian itewsh (n=itewsh@APuteaux-551-1-95-7.w92-132.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:58.24 | vinc | jon_: unlucky debian can't recognize off the box my wireless card, so i need to download a dvd... |
| 20:58.30 | wols_ | !eee |
| 20:58.30 | dpkg | i heard eee is see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net, or see http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/ See also <atl2>. |
| 20:58.39 | *** join/#debian tview (n=user@f054124106.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 20:58.45 | wols_ | vinc: the DVD won't recognize it either |
| 20:59.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 881] by debhelper |
| 20:59.18 | wols_ | vinc: what chip is it? |
| 20:59.20 | *** join/#debian joneal (n=we6jbo@cpe-66-75-232-125.san.res.rr.com) |
| 20:59.35 | guillaum2 | ok i have already install eeepc-madwifi-module but ifconfig doesnt display wireless |
| 20:59.50 | wols_ | guillaum2: ifconfig -a |
| 20:59.51 | vinc | wols_: Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 20:59.57 | wols_ | and if that doesn't show anything, check your dmesg |
| 21:00.17 | wols_ | vinc: if you have a usb stick you can make it work with the netinst. |
| 21:00.27 | wols_ | !tell vinc about iwlwifi |
| 21:01.12 | guillaum2 | wols_: no error no wifi yet |
| 21:01.15 | *** join/#debian misnix (n=jkr@corona.xs4all.nl) |
| 21:01.38 | vinc | wols_: lenny's kernel is > 2.6.23 (the first incorporating a driver for my wireless card).. why doesn't it work? |
| 21:01.39 | wols_ | guillaum2: again, what does dmesg say? |
| 21:01.47 | abrotman | vinc: which wifi card? |
| 21:01.52 | wols_ | vinc: read about the firmware |
| 21:02.06 | vinc | wols_: thanks, ok |
| 21:02.14 | *** part/#debian Cahan (n=four@cpc1-cani1-0-0-cust174.renf.cable.ntl.com) |
| 21:02.27 | vinc | abrotan: Is this the information you need? -> Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 21:02.33 | *** join/#debian D_R_P (n=flowman4@41.219.204.129) |
| 21:02.52 | *** join/#debian ceil420 (n=ceil@68-191-209-182.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) |
| 21:03.34 | abrotman | vinc: you require firmware .. /msg dpkg iwlwifi |
| 21:03.58 | guillaum2 | !pastepipe |
| 21:04.20 | guillaum2 | what is the cmd please? |
| 21:04.38 | abrotman | !tell guillaum2 about pastebinpipe |
| 21:04.46 | *** join/#debian seemawn (n=seemawn@p5791130F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:05.05 | wols_ | hands abrotman a space |
| 21:05.05 | vinc | abrotman: ok, so i install lenny and then i look for the firmware and everything should work, am i correct? |
| 21:05.14 | abrotman | wols_: try it .. works just fine |
| 21:05.20 | *** join/#debian xente (n=xente@c-71-195-230-240.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 21:05.27 | abrotman | vinc: oyu may need to get the firmware package on another CD or usb key or something like that |
| 21:05.37 | abrotman | really wishes there were contrib and non-free ISOs |
| 21:05.54 | vinc | abrotman: allll right, i do try right now |
| 21:06.35 | guillaum2 | !tell pastebin |
| 21:06.48 | wols_ | !tell guillaum2 about pastebin pipe |
| 21:07.16 | guillaum2 | i have no response ^^ |
| 21:07.31 | *** join/#debian Firefishe (i=cthulhu@204.185.41.49) |
| 21:07.52 | abrotman | !pastebinpipe |
| 21:07.52 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. |
| 21:08.09 | *** join/#debian damog (n=david@debian/developer/damog) |
| 21:08.17 | guillaum2 | sorry i have others tabs |
| 21:08.47 | *** part/#debian hamid_rostami (n=hamid@89.144.143.3) |
| 21:09.07 | prolix | guillaum2: you could always just copy it to your clipboard then paste it into irssi using either the right click button or ctrl+shift+v, i think it is |
| 21:09.29 | jamiejackson | just read the #debian Fable. is it anti-charter to ask questions about things that would seem to be debian-flavor-neutral, or is nothing considered sacred (neutral) among flavors. (i'll disclose I'm from Ubuntubia) |
| 21:09.57 | *** join/#debian ErrantEgo (n=ErrantEg@unaffiliated/errantego) |
| 21:09.59 | guillaum2 | prolix: how can i copy it to clipboard because for the moment i have no mouse |
| 21:10.00 | *** join/#debian SPOPPO (n=doodley@adsl-99-148-213-198.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:10.08 | *** join/#debian mirak (n=mirak@81-66-70-98.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 21:10.14 | abrotman | jamiejackson: if you're using Ubuntu, and have a support question, you should ask #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 21:10.15 | wols_ | jamiejackson: we support real debian _only_, no other flavour |
| 21:10.21 | guillaum2 | perhaps like in emacs i will try solution |
| 21:10.31 | *** join/#debian mn8086 (n=maor@87.70.98.104) |
| 21:10.33 | abrotman | jamiejackson: but you get bonus points for being honest :) |
| 21:10.43 | jamiejackson | :) |
| 21:11.14 | guillaum2 | in shell, is there a command to copy to clipboard the output? |
| 21:11.24 | jelly-home | jamiejackson: ubuntu has even dpkg and apt different |
| 21:11.37 | *** join/#debian Lagbolt (n=jm@dhcp-68-232.physics.purdue.edu) |
| 21:11.38 | *** join/#debian Xjs (i=Xjs@dh20.1blu.de) |
| 21:11.44 | *** part/#debian ErrantEgo (n=ErrantEg@unaffiliated/errantego) |
| 21:11.50 | wols_ | guillaum2: there is gpm which gives you a mouse in cli |
| 21:11.59 | wols_ | screen has clipboard hotkeys too |
| 21:12.14 | *** join/#debian qq (n=qq@orb-rem-catv-c99-p175.vtx.ch) |
| 21:12.37 | wols_ | guillaum2: but if you want help, the eeepc channel I told you about will help you better than us |
| 21:12.52 | *** join/#debian fr4u (i=Head@201.244.109.130) |
| 21:13.19 | guillaum2 | wols_: to easy i have a mouse |
| 21:14.30 | prolix | time thief. karma is real |
| 21:14.32 | jamiejackson | #ubuntu's gotta be the least orderly, high traffic channel on the planet. i'm gonna take some speed and see if i can keep up. (kidding about the speed naturally). enjoy your channel. hey, i just made the case for myself why this channel shouldn't support any other flavors. ;-) |
| 21:15.45 | *** join/#debian SJrX (i=SJrX@S01060008029e1eb2.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 21:17.01 | *** join/#debian SJr|Nbook (i=SJrX@S01060008029e1eb2.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 21:17.09 | guillaum2 | so i leave you see you soon! |
| 21:17.38 | *** join/#debian shivraj (n=shivraj@cpe-74-66-94-205.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 21:17.48 | shivraj | I cant connect to port 631 for cups |
| 21:17.50 | shivraj | anyone know whats causing this ? |
| 21:18.15 | wols_ | shivraj: same PC (localhost) or from different host? |
| 21:18.23 | shivraj | wols_: same |
| 21:18.46 | wols_ | then check for error messages in logs and if cups is actually running/listening on port 631 |
| 21:19.03 | *** join/#debian Bangalo (n=ondo@aeim64.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 21:19.08 | *** join/#debian ScottLij (n=scott@24-247-249-18.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) |
| 21:19.21 | *** part/#debian Bangalo (n=ondo@aeim64.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 21:19.49 | karlpinc | shivraj , wols_ : Check for listening ports with : netstat -tl |
| 21:20.21 | wols_ | karlpinc: yes I know about netstat |
| 21:21.08 | shivraj | karlpinc, wols_ : this is what I get |
| 21:21.09 | shivraj | tcp 0 0 localhost:ipp *:* LISTEN |
| 21:21.13 | *** join/#debian jcwunder (n=chris@ppp-88-217-3-11.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 21:22.19 | *** join/#debian dubphil (n=dubphil@migratis.net) |
| 21:22.31 | karlpinc | shivraj : Then it's listening. Are you connecting to localhost? |
| 21:22.58 | shivraj | karlpinc: yeah http://localhost:631/ |
| 21:24.01 | karlpinc | shivraj : Like wols_ said, check the logs. Or try another browser, like links, and tell us the error message. |
| 21:24.13 | *** join/#debian N1ckR (n=nick@82-47-214-45.cable.ubr11.brad.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 21:24.17 | *** join/#debian criso (n=cristian@153.Red-83-33-226.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 21:24.18 | *** join/#debian Ian_Daniher (n=it@69.61.230.246) |
| 21:26.05 | *** join/#debian dcnoye (n=dcn113@PollockMega-Mobile241.cac-labs.psu.edu) |
| 21:27.13 | *** join/#debian vyrus001 (n=vyrus@h-74-1-176-131.lsanca54.covad.net) |
| 21:27.55 | paxcoder | bla |
| 21:28.07 | *** part/#debian paxcoder (n=paxcoder@78.134.156.95) |
| 21:28.12 | *** join/#debian _undernasc_ (n=Rodrigo@201-74-126-116-sv.cpe.vivax.com.br) |
| 21:28.14 | *** join/#debian paxcoder (n=paxcoder@78.134.156.95) |
| 21:28.25 | paxcoder | !foo |
| 21:28.25 | dpkg | it has been said that foo is probably the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar>, also read RFC3092. |
| 21:29.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 873] by debhelper |
| 21:29.04 | prolix | is there a bot which lists the names+triggers for all the bots in the channel? |
| 21:29.09 | *** join/#debian magentar (n=magentar@94.79.143.111) |
| 21:29.35 | shivraj | karlpinc: http://pastebin.com/mcf4c7d5 |
| 21:29.44 | paxcoder | !tell prolix about bots |
| 21:29.52 | prolix | paxcoder: thank you |
| 21:30.09 | shivraj | I think this has to do with my hostname ... |
| 21:30.11 | paxcoder | prolix: Jesus bless. |
| 21:30.22 | shivraj | programs like dhclient are complaining abt my hostname |
| 21:30.43 | shivraj | strange >... I put helium in /etc/hostname and used the hostname command to change it |
| 21:30.46 | prolix | i-yes-i |
| 21:31.24 | paxcoder | prolix: :-) |
| 21:31.46 | *** join/#debian Walex (n=Walex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 21:32.04 | prolix | paxcoder: :) |
| 21:32.24 | *** join/#debian Efra (n=mf1w@32.176.8.64) |
| 21:32.42 | shivraj | wols_: : http://pastebin.com/mcf4c7d5 |
| 21:32.59 | *** part/#debian Efra (n=mf1w@32.176.8.64) |
| 21:33.05 | *** part/#debian darrh00 (n=darren@218.17.41.123) |
| 21:33.29 | N1ckR | When Lenny gets released, how upto date will the new testing be in the first few months ? |
| 21:33.35 | *** join/#debian vadmeste_ (n=db@41.224.158.8) |
| 21:34.22 | Kovensky | hopes aptitude uses only the 1.2G it said it will use when finishing unpacking stuff... only 1.5G of free space D: |
| 21:34.31 | *** join/#debian fvwmnet (n=sdfpme@121.13.174.192) |
| 21:34.56 | paxcoder | N1ckR: Hmm.. Are you sure anything will be different at all? ( different from regular updates ) |
| 21:35.18 | n3kl | Kovensky: you could try apt-get install morediskspace |
| 21:35.27 | prolix | haha |
| 21:35.37 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 21:35.45 | N1ckR | paxcoder, do you mean compared to stable or the flow from unstable to testing ? |
| 21:35.54 | Kovensky | n3kl: that's still on sid... I'm on lenny |
| 21:36.12 | n3kl | oh yeah, i forgot |
| 21:36.16 | *** part/#debian _undernasc_ (n=Rodrigo@201-74-126-116-sv.cpe.vivax.com.br) |
| 21:36.19 | Kovensky | :) |
| 21:36.41 | paxcoder | N1ckR: I think the latter |
| 21:36.45 | *** join/#debian F6F (n=Tobias@p5B0D56C1.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:36.58 | *** join/#debian infernixx (i=gerben@unaffiliated/infernix) |
| 21:37.40 | *** join/#debian cloakable (n=cloakabl@host81-155-89-224.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) |
| 21:37.45 | *** join/#debian tukki (n=fhaberma@e177240080.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 21:37.51 | N1ckR | In particular I would like Open Office 3 |
| 21:38.09 | N1ckR | when it eventually gets released. |
| 21:38.46 | *** join/#debian CcSsNET (n=ccssnet@pool-71-187-32-3.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) |
| 21:39.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 864] by debhelper |
| 21:39.26 | *** join/#debian leprosys (n=leprosys@190.87.16.236) |
| 21:41.14 | *** join/#debian propellerhead (n=yogurt2u@host38.190-137-2.telecom.net.ar) |
| 21:41.57 | nivanson | hmm, doesn't testing break alot shortly after a release? i recall someone telling to stay away from testing for some time after a release. |
| 21:42.14 | Kovensky | nivanson: because it syncs with unstable |
| 21:43.11 | N1ckR | Also, I read mention of security on testing takes some time to become active again |
| 21:43.21 | N1ckR | after a release |
| 21:43.49 | *** join/#debian psycose (n=psycose@lev92-2-82-228-131-58.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 21:44.09 | N1ckR | wonders if unstable stabilises during the freeze |
| 21:46.57 | N1ckR | OK, how do I get Compiz working in Lenny ? |
| 21:46.58 | *** join/#debian Elite|Jeti (n=Elite@brndmb02bbx-ac08-198-145.dial.mts.net) |
| 21:47.05 | Elite|Jeti | hey guys |
| 21:49.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 857] by debhelper |
| 21:50.15 | *** join/#debian infernixxx (i=gerben@91.141.202.136) |
| 21:50.44 | Elite|Jeti | anyone here know how to setup dns on debian? |
| 21:51.58 | n3kl | Elite|Jeti: a dns server? |
| 21:52.07 | *** join/#debian xenonex (n=xenonex@89.218.233.88) |
| 21:52.15 | Elite|Jeti | n3kl yes |
| 21:52.17 | wols_ | Elite|Jeti: client or server? |
| 21:52.30 | n3kl | Elite|Jeti: install bind and point your shit at it |
| 21:52.31 | Elite|Jeti | whats the diff? |
| 21:52.45 | n3kl | Elite|Jeti: uh, one is a client, and one is a server |
| 21:52.47 | wols_ | Elite|Jeti: why do you need "dns"? |
| 21:52.52 | Elite|Jeti | well what's the client? |
| 21:53.10 | n3kl | Elite|Jeti: yeah if you don't know the difference, you prolly don't need a server |
| 21:53.15 | wols_ | everytime you type "google.com" in your browser you need a dns client to resolve google's ip |
| 21:53.20 | *** join/#debian treaki1 (n=tn@p5B034102.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:53.30 | wols_ | Elite|Jeti: do you have your own domain? |
| 21:53.33 | Elite|Jeti | ok well I want a server I have my domain at idotz |
| 21:53.45 | wols_ | Elite|Jeti: use a free dns service |
| 21:53.52 | streuner | smells a troll |
| 21:54.04 | Elite|Jeti | wols I need a static one, and I can't find free one |
| 21:54.04 | wols_ | streuner: just ignorant |
| 21:54.30 | wols_ | Elite|Jeti: dns servers are not for newbies. they are complicated beasts to do it right |
| 21:54.51 | Elite|Jeti | wols: well you wanna do it for me then? |
| 21:54.54 | wols_ | Elite|Jeti: and from the way you asked we know you don't have a clue at all |
| 21:55.18 | wols_ | Elite|Jeti: no one will. hire a conslutant if you can't do it yourself. or get a free dns service. yes they exist |
| 21:55.24 | *** join/#debian jhulst_ (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 21:55.36 | *** join/#debian gnusosa (n=lockonst@adsl-75-33-13-143.dsl.sndg02.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:55.39 | Elite|Jeti | wols: find me one that is static not dynamic |
| 21:56.04 | wols_ | Elite|Jeti: http://www.google.de/search?q=free+static+dns&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 21:56.09 | wols_ | Elite|Jeti: learn to use google |
| 21:56.38 | Elite|Jeti | you try it on dial up ;) |
| 21:57.40 | *** join/#debian brunosac (n=chatzill@201.240.211.195) |
| 21:57.52 | Elite|Jeti | thing is I want to be able to use ns1.elite-customs.com and ns2.elite-customs.com |
| 21:57.54 | *** join/#debian emachado (n=edjunior@201.82.128.154) |
| 21:58.11 | wols_ | Elite|Jeti: those are already nameservers. you don't need bind then |
| 21:58.19 | wols_ | Elite|Jeti: but do you have a debian related question? |
| 21:58.52 | Elite|Jeti | well I asked how to setup bind but that fried |
| 21:59.03 | wols_ | Elite|Jeti: #bind |
| 21:59.28 | wols_ | no one will write a zonefile for you |
| 21:59.45 | wols_ | if you can't do it on your own, or learn how to do it, you have no business trying |
| 22:00.37 | *** join/#debian damog (n=david@debian/developer/damog) |
| 22:01.38 | *** join/#debian jhulst_ (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 22:01.44 | *** join/#debian ofl_ (n=of@91-82-69-119.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 22:03.39 | *** part/#debian prolix (n=user@c-76-28-238-157.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 22:05.37 | n3kl | But you can pay me! =] |
| 22:05.49 | Elite|Jeti | How much? |
| 22:06.12 | n3kl | A lot |
| 22:06.18 | Elite|Jeti | Like? |
| 22:06.21 | n3kl | why don't you just learn |
| 22:06.42 | *** join/#debian netj (n=netj@121.168.197.74) |
| 22:06.48 | Elite|Jeti | cause |
| 22:06.50 | *** join/#debian dansushi (i=dan@pool-71-184-141-74.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 22:07.06 | n3kl | Great answer, by the way |
| 22:07.49 | Elite|Jeti | mmhmm |
| 22:07.58 | *** join/#debian tview (n=user@f054124106.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 22:08.18 | dustybin | when i boot my desktop using fluxbox, it always boots into the wrong xorg resolution, how would one change that? |
| 22:08.28 | n3kl | dustybin: in xorg.conf |
| 22:08.34 | dustybin | i have lots of different modelines inside xorg.conf |
| 22:08.39 | dustybin | but it chooses the wrong one |
| 22:08.59 | n3kl | dustybin: weed out all the ones you dont use |
| 22:09.36 | dustybin | n3kl: i need them all for mame |
| 22:09.52 | n3kl | wtf is mame? |
| 22:10.05 | adama | arcade emulator!! |
| 22:10.22 | lem0n | lol |
| 22:10.23 | dustybin | n3kl: in the screens section ive specified |
| 22:10.24 | dustybin | Modes "720x576pali" |
| 22:10.24 | n3kl | and one possible solution could be xrandr in your startup scripts for flux or something |
| 22:10.27 | dustybin | thats the one i want |
| 22:10.33 | *** join/#debian jimbo (i=jimbo@dynamic9-197.MAN-B2-1.cablenet.com.ni) |
| 22:10.36 | dustybin | aye xrandr |
| 22:10.40 | dustybin | that sounds like the one |
| 22:11.17 | dustybin | ill try to find out what mode it switches to using xrandr |
| 22:11.36 | streuner | eliteninja: if you want pay -> http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 22:11.49 | *** join/#debian iamawake (n=Administ@75-170-54-104.eugn.qwest.net) |
| 22:11.54 | *** join/#debian jimbo (i=jimbo@dynamic9-197.MAN-B2-1.cablenet.com.ni) |
| 22:12.21 | *** join/#debian mag_mor (n=blob@p57A680C1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:12.31 | streuner | Elite|Jeti: if you want pay -> http://www.debian.org/consultants/ otherwise you should learn :-) |
| 22:12.33 | enouf | dustybin: DisplaySize ? |
| 22:13.08 | *** join/#debian Tramp (n=mt@d212-152-6-149.cust.tele2.ch) |
| 22:13.12 | *** join/#debian lajjr (n=lajjr@71.181.217.163) |
| 22:13.25 | dustybin | here we go (sorry for paste) |
| 22:13.29 | dustybin | mythtv@mythtvfrontend:~$ DISPLAY=:0 xrandr |
| 22:13.29 | dustybin | Screen 0: minimum 240 x 200, current 1024 x 600, maximum 1024 x 600 |
| 22:13.29 | dustybin | default connected 1024x600+0+0 0mm x 0mm 1024x600 50.0* 51.0 800x600 52.0 53.0 720x576 54.0 |
| 22:13.40 | dustybin | its using 1024x600 |
| 22:13.51 | dustybin | and not 720x576 |
| 22:14.37 | *** join/#debian Frizz0 (n=seant@adsl-068-209-133-170.sip.jax.bellsouth.net) |
| 22:15.27 | *** join/#debian jelly-hme (n=jelly@islands.iskon.hr) |
| 22:16.25 | *** join/#debian hugyup (n=unk@124.80.74.145) |
| 22:16.42 | enouf | Dual Head card? |
| 22:16.58 | *** join/#debian Sumpen (n=Sumpen@c-0c4ce755.02-65-73746f16.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 22:16.59 | *** part/#debian lajjr (n=lajjr@71.181.217.163) |
| 22:17.50 | Elite|Jeti | Anyone use everydns.com? |
| 22:18.30 | *** join/#debian itrebal (i=itrebal@unaffiliated/grahamc) |
| 22:18.55 | wols_ | Elite|Jeti: how is this a debian related question? |
| 22:19.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 851] by debhelper |
| 22:19.22 | eheil | hey. anyone know how to compile the snd_cs46xx module in Debianized 2.6.26? I used the alsa-source package amd module assistanct, but it wasn't there. It was removed in 2.6.23. |
| 22:19.37 | *** join/#debian gabegundy (n=gabe@nat.parentlink.net) |
| 22:19.45 | *** join/#debian maurizio (n=maurizio@81.253.60.136) |
| 22:19.48 | enouf | dustybin: all i can say is; see the 0mm x 0mm ? that would be the DisplaySize parameter in xorg.conf (but naturally, the correct numbers, like 320 240 or whatever) - might try that option |
| 22:20.33 | itrebal | will linux's networking stack in "intelligent" and if I try to go to http://some.ip.foo.bar/ and some.ip.foo.bar is defined as a local IP, but the interface isn't up - it'll still do it? |
| 22:20.52 | Elite|Jeti | wols_: its not but maybe someone uses it, you never know |
| 22:21.29 | dustybin | enouf: im using this: DisplaySize 400 225 |
| 22:21.33 | wols_ | Elite|Jeti: you are offtopic. please stop |
| 22:21.36 | wols_ | eheil: http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-cs46xx |
| 22:21.40 | dustybin | that should be the correct setting for 16:9 PAL |
| 22:21.47 | petemc | itrebal: how would it do anything if the interface isnt up |
| 22:22.03 | itrebal | petemc: I guess thats what I'm trying to find otu O.o |
| 22:22.15 | *** part/#debian Elite|Jeti (n=Elite@brndmb02bbx-ac08-198-145.dial.mts.net) |
| 22:22.26 | *** join/#debian Celelibi (i=celelibi@78.35.194-77.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 22:22.58 | *** join/#debian ceil420 (n=ceil@68-191-209-182.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) |
| 22:24.05 | enouf | description: Cirrus Logic Sound Fusion CS46XX |
| 22:24.19 | enouf | dustybin: is that the correct numbers? ;-) |
| 22:24.29 | enouf | ok |
| 22:24.38 | itrebal | petemc:have you ever worked with a server with multiple internet connections, to different networks? |
| 22:24.39 | *** join/#debian Hoxzer (n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 22:24.59 | petemc | itrebal: no |
| 22:25.10 | itrebal | hrm |
| 22:25.17 | *** join/#debian mick_lap1op (n=skywalke@adsl-068-153-223-093.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) |
| 22:25.19 | *** join/#debian dmoerner (n=dmoerner@ppp-71-139-30-137.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 22:25.29 | petemc | well, i worked at a place that had a dedicated hardware load balancer about 10 years ago |
| 22:25.43 | itrebal | hehe |
| 22:26.05 | *** join/#debian d0lphin_n0el (n=0pensour@85.138.87.170) |
| 22:26.14 | itrebal | gr.. very strange.. |
| 22:26.45 | enouf | dustybin: well, then all i can say is try like what i do in ~/.mplayer/config - set the aspect? or whatever? Does hwinfo --monitor list 720x576 as an available option? how about xrandr? |
| 22:27.26 | enouf | !xdpyinfo |
| 22:27.32 | enouf | oh well |
| 22:27.50 | dustybin | enouf: when i first boot my mythtv frontend, it boots into the desktop at the wrong resolution, if i then load mythtvfrontend, it uses the correct mode 720x576 |
| 22:27.57 | *** join/#debian spx2 (n=spx2@89.37.70.170) |
| 22:28.12 | dustybin | i think mythtv uses xrandr to change the mode and ive set that inside the settings |
| 22:28.25 | dustybin | thats all good, however, id still like my desktop to boot into the correct resolution |
| 22:29.00 | enouf | dustybin: maybe you can make mythtv frontend load later? |
| 22:29.12 | dustybin | enouf: thats a dirty work around :P |
| 22:29.28 | enouf | dustybin: not really - it all depends who set it all up :-P |
| 22:29.33 | dustybin | what decides on what resolution to use when my fluxbox desktop boots? |
| 22:29.37 | enouf | and more importantly - how :-P |
| 22:30.02 | eheil | Hey, thinking of purchasing an EEE PC. anyone of you use it with Debian? I was thinking of running Sid on it. |
| 22:30.22 | enouf | i don't know offhand - i'm sure google has a clue or two |
| 22:30.47 | enouf | !eeepc |
| 22:30.48 | dpkg | from memory, eee is see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net, or see http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/ See also <atl2>. |
| 22:31.06 | n3kl | enouf: i'll sell you mine |
| 22:31.13 | dustybin | interesting... |
| 22:31.14 | dustybin | http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php?title=Howto_change_resolution |
| 22:31.33 | enouf | n3kl: nah, i'm a big boy with big toys :-) |
| 22:31.42 | n3kl | enouf: ug, similar niks, sorry |
| 22:31.44 | craigevil | eheil: debian runs perfectly on the eee |
| 22:31.58 | n3kl | ;) |
| 22:32.05 | enouf | heh - well, it was worth it :-p |
| 22:32.44 | n3kl | eheil: i'll sell you mine =] |
| 22:32.47 | eheil | Well, how would you install it? b/c it doesn't have a CD drive--I'd assume netboot or something? |
| 22:32.55 | n3kl | eheil: usb? |
| 22:33.18 | *** join/#debian stevedondley (n=dondelel@c-71-232-180-65.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 22:33.29 | stevedondley | ping dondelelcaro |
| 22:33.31 | craigevil | eheil: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install |
| 22:34.17 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: hey |
| 22:34.18 | enouf | craigevil: stop that - you're freaking me out! :-) |
| 22:34.28 | eheil | Just noticed a nice feature of the pidgin irc client. when someone uses my nic, it plays a special sound. |
| 22:34.34 | enouf | craigevil: in both debian channels with the same URL :-p |
| 22:34.36 | stevedondley | quick question |
| 22:34.39 | craigevil | :) |
| 22:34.39 | *** join/#debian neonlightning (n=neonligh@S0106001b11cc9ed9.tb.shawcable.net) |
| 22:35.37 | *** join/#debian gutocarvalho (n=gutocarv@panzer.mda.gov.br) |
| 22:36.22 | mavhc | don't let people use your nic, they could spoof packets |
| 22:36.57 | *** join/#debian MrFahrenheit (n=RageOfTh@SE400.PPPoE-6045.sa.bih.net.ba) |
| 22:37.26 | craigevil | eheil: set up festival and the pidgin festival plugin and it will read the irc messages |
| 22:37.43 | *** join/#debian CaNeS (n=Linux@bas4-montreal02-1096720738.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 22:38.28 | vadmeste_ | Hi. I don't understand a point. If I set up sources.list to online respository (http://ftp.....), do gnome will upgrade automatically to 2.24 (now it's 2.22 on lenny) ? |
| 22:39.19 | eheil | Oh cool. thanks for the info, but I already use Orca here under Gnome with Espeak--Festival sounds horrible. But I do have freetts with is on my Sun Ultra2 workstation. |
| 22:39.59 | *** join/#debian tview (n=user@f054124106.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 22:40.06 | *** join/#debian ceil420 (n=ceil@68-191-209-182.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) |
| 22:40.35 | *** join/#debian Octalot (n=noct@cpc3-hitc1-0-0-cust983.lutn.cable.ntl.com) |
| 22:40.37 | ceil420 | dammit! |
| 22:40.40 | craigevil | vadmeste_: even in sid gnome is 2.22 |
| 22:40.50 | ceil420 | fresh install of debian STILL locks up at random, and all i've installed extra is xchat |
| 22:41.16 | enouf | locks up how exactly? |
| 22:41.28 | ceil420 | it just freezes |
| 22:41.44 | enouf | ceil420: plenty of RAM? |
| 22:41.45 | ceil420 | audio/video stops, cursor can't move, can't change numlock/capslock on keyboard (much less type) |
| 22:41.48 | ceil420 | 4GB of it |
| 22:42.04 | ceil420 | and my 3.2GHz cpu isn't overheating |
| 22:42.09 | *** join/#debian Bravewolf (n=wolf@host-78-12-77-91.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 22:42.09 | Octalot | graphics card and X driver? |
| 22:42.11 | enouf | keep htop running in an xterm ... watch it |
| 22:42.15 | Octalot | memtest results? |
| 22:42.20 | vadmeste_ | craigevil, ok.. but it will not be upgraded to 2.24 until the next version of debian ? |
| 22:42.23 | craigevil | bad video card prehaps? |
| 22:42.49 | craigevil | vadmeste_: if you have testing or sid you can upgrade it when it comes in |
| 22:42.59 | enouf | ceil420: reseat all your DIMMs and video (PCI) cards, check cables |
| 22:43.13 | ceil420 | Octalot, integrated ATi HD3200, whatever driver debian uses by default |
| 22:43.25 | vadmeste_ | craigevil, what about lenny ? |
| 22:43.28 | ceil420 | haven't run memtest; is that on the debian lenny xfce amd64 install disc? |
| 22:43.39 | vadmeste_ | craigevil, always 2.22 |
| 22:43.40 | vadmeste_ | ? |
| 22:43.45 | craigevil | vadmeste_: no lenny is frozen |
| 22:43.46 | enouf | ceil420: can sysrq break you out? |
| 22:43.46 | ceil420 | (if not, i think it's on an old ubuntu disc) |
| 22:43.51 | ceil420 | sysrq? |
| 22:43.57 | enouf | !tell ceil420 about sysrq |
| 22:43.58 | eheil | looks like gnome 2.24 is slowly entering sid. |
| 22:44.08 | *** join/#debian Sememmon (n=Sememmon@ip70-190-239-50.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 22:44.13 | *** part/#debian lyeberry (n=jarrell@adsl-072-148-047-122.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net) |
| 22:44.30 | ceil420 | enouf, neverheard of it :o |
| 22:44.33 | *** join/#debian Granis (n=granis@c-a962e455.017-509-6c6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 22:44.34 | ceil420 | (so i haven't tried) |
| 22:44.55 | ceil420 | next time i should try s, u, and b in that order, i guess? |
| 22:45.21 | enouf | is that a laptop? you might need to toy with Fn or something as well as Alt+prntscrn+<key> |
| 22:45.26 | vadmeste_ | craigevil, mmm.. I understand now... when a distribution is frozen, versions of program will not be set up higher until the next version of debian ? right ? |
| 22:45.31 | ceil420 | not a laptop |
| 22:45.36 | *** join/#debian scorche|sh (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 22:45.38 | enouf | ceil420: well, i even sometimes start at r |
| 22:45.49 | enouf | r e i s u b |
| 22:45.53 | ceil420 | but if i wanna reset, i can just hit the button on my case :x |
| 22:46.03 | enouf | but this is better |
| 22:46.16 | craigevil | vadmeste_: yes unless you use testing or sid repos, stable only gets security/bug fixes once its released |
| 22:46.18 | enouf | !why |
| 22:46.23 | ceil420 | yeah, the paint is scratching on my reset button i've had to hit it so often :( |
| 22:46.33 | vadmeste_ | ok |
| 22:47.05 | enouf | ceil420: naturally, memtest86+ as suggested |
| 22:47.05 | *** part/#debian tview (n=user@f054124106.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 22:47.29 | karsten | ceil420: Also visually inspect capacitors looking for buldges and/or leaks. Mind that some problems (bad mobos, etc.) aren't readily visible. |
| 22:47.37 | ceil420 | enouf, i'll do it next time i see BIOS |
| 22:47.52 | ceil420 | karsten, it better not be my mobo -_- |
| 22:47.55 | *** join/#debian shiloh12 (i=shiloh12@24-241-228-129.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) |
| 22:48.09 | karsten | ceil420: How old is it? Should be warranty if recent. |
| 22:48.19 | enouf | !capacitors |
| 22:48.19 | dpkg | hmm... capacitors is no, it's not a tech support myth: the capacitors on many turn-of-the-millennium components (mostly motherboards) can leak and fail. If you're experiencing random hardware fuckups, check them for bulging. See http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=78 for the story and http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i303/30328_4mg.jpg for a photo, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague |
| 22:48.24 | ceil420 | it's new, but it'd be a PITA to rma |
| 22:48.25 | karsten | ceil420: Also check your systlogs for stuff like chipkill errors. |
| 22:48.43 | enouf | !win karsten |
| 22:48.44 | dpkg | Congratulations, karsten! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 22:48.46 | karsten | ceil420: What's the system? What mobo, what kernel? |
| 22:49.07 | ceil420 | mobo says it has "All Solid Capacitors", if that means anything |
| 22:49.16 | enouf | haha |
| 22:49.47 | karsten | ceil420: Nope ;-) |
| 22:49.54 | ceil420 | Debian Lenny amd64 on 2.6.24.1 and 2.6.26.1 (tried both), mobo is ASUS M3A78 PRO |
| 22:49.58 | karsten | enouf: danke. |
| 22:50.32 | n3kl | karsten: are you german too? |
| 22:51.07 | *** join/#debian d0lphin_n0el (n=0pensour@85.138.87.170) |
| 22:51.07 | karsten | n3kl: Nein. |
| 22:51.16 | karsten | n3kl: Ich bin ein Jelly Donut. |
| 22:51.25 | *** join/#debian acu (n=acu@71.32.132.70) |
| 22:51.27 | karsten | ist amerikaner. |
| 22:52.06 | *** join/#debian izmitLi (n=Muhabbet@78.174.214.133) |
| 22:52.25 | *** join/#debian d0lphin_n0el (n=0pensour@85.138.87.170) |
| 22:52.34 | karsten | ceil420: FYI, first review of that mobo claims DOA problems: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131325 |
| 22:52.47 | karsten | ceil420: That was a straight Google search. |
| 22:53.26 | ceil420 | Excellent Rating + 5Rating + 5Rating + 5Rating + 5Rating + 5 20 reviews 75% |
| 22:53.28 | craigevil | ceil420: have you tried running a livecd? if so does it lockup while its running |
| 22:53.41 | ceil420 | the board only got 2 1-egg reviews and 2 3-egg reviews |
| 22:53.43 | vadmeste_ | craigevil, remain just one thing.. do you know any sites or docs for beginner ? |
| 22:53.46 | ceil420 | 3 4's and the rest 5 |
| 22:53.52 | enouf | craigevil: good one |
| 22:53.54 | ceil420 | i thought my odds were good |
| 22:54.07 | shiloh12 | cool, installed and running :-) \o/ |
| 22:54.08 | *** join/#debian Wiz126 (i=Wiz126@72.20.223.253) |
| 22:54.10 | ceil420 | craigevil, i'll do that if memtest shows no problem, i guess |
| 22:54.43 | shiloh12 | i dont see like pidgin and stuff in synaptic, is there like other repositories i need to add? |
| 22:54.44 | enouf | vadmeste_: linuxcommand.org is a start |
| 22:54.48 | karsten | ceil420: I'd try something intensive on console mode, remote system logging (via serial if possible). |
| 22:54.50 | enouf | vadmeste_: tldp.org |
| 22:54.55 | *** join/#debian ameyer (n=ameyer17@adsl-75-57-180-230.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:55.02 | ceil420 | karsten, wat |
| 22:55.25 | eheil | pidgin is indeed in the repos--at least sid. |
| 22:55.37 | eheil | I know, because I've installed it on this very machine. |
| 22:55.43 | *** part/#debian itrebal (i=itrebal@unaffiliated/grahamc) |
| 22:56.06 | craigevil | shiloh12: in etch its still gaim |
| 22:56.25 | craigevil | vadmeste_: http://www.geocities.com/reverendsky/learninglinux.html |
| 22:56.42 | shiloh12 | is sarge newer than etchnhalf? |
| 22:56.49 | *** join/#debian MARIUS453 (n=VOODOO_C@41.Red-83-35-25.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 22:56.50 | *** join/#debian acu (n=acu@71.32.132.70) |
| 22:56.52 | n3kl | uh, no |
| 22:56.56 | craigevil | shiloh12: no |
| 22:57.19 | enouf | vadmeste_: some more http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/UAU/uau.html and http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ |
| 22:58.02 | *** join/#debian xenonex (n=xenonex@89.218.233.88) |
| 22:58.03 | shiloh12 | well time to read some wiki and forums :-) |
| 22:58.06 | acu | I want to resize a XP windows partition to install debian - how can I do that ? |
| 22:58.10 | enouf | vadmeste_: just note, not everything mentioned is debian-centric, all major distros have some pretty odd differences |
| 22:58.11 | *** join/#debian slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) |
| 22:58.51 | enouf | !tell shiloh12 about release |
| 22:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 844] by debhelper |
| 22:59.09 | eheil | hey anyone of you know how to resize and ex3 filesystem? b/c when I originally installed it, I didn't allocate enough space to /usr. |
| 22:59.15 | enouf | acu: the debian installer should handle that fine |
| 22:59.20 | vadmeste_ | enouf, i don't prefer practical documents for the moment.. I prefer theorical information.. for example, how developers contribute to develop debian.. like that |
| 22:59.24 | eheil | and now /usr is completely full. |
| 22:59.46 | enouf | vadmeste_: you're kooky :-P |
| 23:00.21 | *** join/#debian entaro (n=entaro@rahal.dialup.corbina.ru) |
| 23:00.36 | acu | enouf: thanks, I do know you can erase or create partition with the installer - but I never shrinked one - thanks I will give a try :) |
| 23:00.38 | vadmeste_ | searchs the mean of kooky |
| 23:01.09 | enouf | eheil: localepurge package could help if you don't want all extraneous locales - also you could mv the /share/ dir (or even just /share/doc/) elsewhere and make a symlink |
| 23:01.22 | vadmeste_ | enouf, thanks |
| 23:01.33 | enouf | vadmeste_: ;-) |
| 23:02.06 | enouf | acu: please review the installation guide, i'm almost postive you can ... |
| 23:02.13 | *** join/#debian gasbag (n=gasbag@68-189-244-34.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) |
| 23:02.22 | *** part/#debian cgibin (n=cgibin@i.m.from.armenia.li) |
| 23:02.24 | MARIUS453 | i am a new user and i want understand quik the debian linux how can i do that and where? |
| 23:02.30 | *** join/#debian cgibin (n=cgibin@i.m.from.armenia.li) |
| 23:03.08 | acu | enouf: if you are postitive - I will go for that :) I rarely read the manuals "fools learn by fate" :) |
| 23:07.48 | *** join/#debian cjns3274 (n=weechat@ool-45704694.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 23:07.49 | eheil | hey does anyone of you know when the version of iceweasel in Sid will be upgraded? or are we on a package freeze? |
| 23:07.57 | enouf | it must be possible, since http://goodbye-windows.com can (must?) do it |
| 23:09.18 | *** join/#debian coromatic (n=chris@static-87-79-239-136.netcologne.de) |
| 23:09.18 | *** join/#debian iamawake (n=Administ@junipercapital-fw.feynman.net) |
| 23:09.27 | craigevil | eheil: sid has updates pretty much daily |
| 23:09.38 | MARIUS453 | who can help me but spanish language |
| 23:09.58 | MARIUS453 | i have one question |
| 23:10.06 | dondelelcaro | eheil: it may go to experimental soon, but most likely it won't be upgraded until after the release, assuming the release happens soon |
| 23:10.07 | craigevil | iceweasel updates are usually a couple of days afer Mozilla releases usually no more than a week |
| 23:10.38 | dondelelcaro | but considering that 3.0.2 was just released, it's a bit early to expect either to have happened |
| 23:10.59 | *** join/#debian leprosys (n=leprosys@190.87.16.236) |
| 23:11.05 | eheil | This is true. Like for instance, I can see some small parts of gnome 2.24 in Sid. |
| 23:11.18 | *** join/#debian nickzxcv (i=nick@schmalenberger.us) |
| 23:12.15 | nickzxcv | hi, I am having a problem with X |
| 23:12.46 | themill | dpkg, tell MARIUS453 about es |
| 23:12.54 | nickzxcv | I am running testing and just upgraded a bunch of fonts and X libraries last night/today |
| 23:12.54 | *** join/#debian m4ggus_ (n=marcus@p5B033BEE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:13.03 | nickzxcv | and now xdm starts but I can't start a window manager |
| 23:13.33 | nickzxcv | ~/.xsession-errors has this: |
| 23:13.35 | nickzxcv | xrdb: Can't open display ':0' |
| 23:13.35 | nickzxcv | Protocol not supported by server |
| 23:13.35 | nickzxcv | [fvwm][main]: <<ERROR>> can't open display :0 |
| 23:14.02 | eheil | You sure the X server is running? |
| 23:14.13 | *** join/#debian stevedondley (n=dondelel@c-71-232-180-65.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 23:14.14 | *** join/#debian visik7 (n=dksakd@unaffiliated/visik7) |
| 23:14.16 | nickzxcv | yes, xdm is working |
| 23:14.21 | MARIUS453 | thanks themill |
| 23:14.42 | eheil | Hmm. all right. have you ever run X succesfully on the machine? |
| 23:14.53 | nickzxcv | yes for over a year until now |
| 23:15.06 | eheil | ok, and what dist are you running? |
| 23:15.11 | nickzxcv | debian testing |
| 23:15.22 | themill | nickzxcv: how long since your previous update? |
| 23:15.25 | eheil | ah. not sure, as I run Sid. |
| 23:15.39 | nickzxcv | I was gone all summer so maybe 3 months |
| 23:16.13 | eheil | not sure about testing--does it get updates like Sid? |
| 23:16.19 | enouf | xrdb is the x resource database - is that a remote X login? |
| 23:16.28 | nickzxcv | nope |
| 23:16.45 | nickzxcv | and if try startx there are some warnings and then this is the last error: |
| 23:16.48 | nickzxcv | waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
| 23:16.59 | enouf | well, not sure which protocol it means, xdmcp ? |
| 23:17.14 | themill | nickzxcv: I'm taking a stab at an xorg 7.2 to xorg 7.3 upgrade was in there in your latest update. |
| 23:18.10 | *** join/#debian eeg3 (i=uuuu@rrcs-70-60-96-168.midsouth.biz.rr.com) |
| 23:18.21 | nickzxcv | yeah, ii xserver-xorg 1:7.3+16 |
| 23:19.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 838] by debhelper |
| 23:19.41 | nickzxcv | should I just try to install the unstable or experimental one or is there maybe a broken config now? |
| 23:20.45 | *** join/#debian xenonex (n=xenonex@89.218.233.88) |
| 23:21.28 | *** join/#debian peterrooney (n=peter@S0106001451193950.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 23:22.10 | *** join/#debian binarymutant (n=binarymu@adsl-074-183-082-037.sip.tys.bellsouth.net) |
| 23:22.29 | enouf | try a different DM? |
| 23:22.45 | *** join/#debian facedown (n=facedown@c-69-140-211-205.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 23:22.55 | facedown | hi. Im on etch and I have python 2.4.4 .. how can I upgrade to 2.5? |
| 23:23.02 | nickzxcv | well I have problems just using startx also |
| 23:23.41 | *** join/#debian Madsy (n=madsy@ti500710a342-0537.bb.online.no) |
| 23:23.49 | nickzxcv | waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
| 23:24.00 | themill | facedown: aptitude install python2.5 and use #!/usr/bin/python2.5 in your scripts |
| 23:24.16 | Somni | facedown: depends on what you mean by upgrade; there's a python 2.5 package in the distribution, but your system relies on /usr/bin/python being 2.4 |
| 23:24.39 | facedown | oh |
| 23:24.44 | *** join/#debian quik__ (n=ben@203-206-182-133.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:25.03 | facedown | it says 'couldnt find 2.5 and 40 or more contain 2.5' |
| 23:25.19 | facedown | 0 upgraded 0 newly installed 0 to remove 129 not upgraded |
| 23:25.48 | *** join/#debian midnightRmbler (n=j1soluti@adsl-235-7-139.clt.bellsouth.net) |
| 23:25.54 | themill | facedown: [00:23] <themill> facedown: aptitude install python2.5 and use #!/usr/bin/python2.5 in your scripts |
| 23:26.10 | binarymutant | does anyone use a tiling window manager? I'm trying to tag xterm or some console commands but it doesn't seem to be working |
| 23:26.44 | facedown | oh, i added a space between python and 2.5. sorry. |
| 23:27.04 | *** join/#debian tgkjer (n=ben@200.192.95.219.jb01-home.tm.net.my) |
| 23:27.17 | facedown | can i make it so my system doesnt rely on 2.4? |
| 23:27.21 | facedown | or is that a bad thing to do |
| 23:27.30 | facedown | it's installing now |
| 23:27.33 | *** join/#debian tview (n=user@f054124106.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 23:27.59 | themill | facedown: that's a major and difficult change to make. Basically, the answer is no. |
| 23:28.05 | facedown | gotcha. |
| 23:28.13 | facedown | ill just change the shebangs then, thanks! |
| 23:28.28 | tview | what do I need to install to get my hp officejez to work properlyà (scanner too). foomatic? gutenprint? hplip? |
| 23:28.40 | themill | facedown: but lenny uses python 2.5 by default.... but lenny might not be what you are looking for atm. /msg dpkg lenny ; /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 23:30.18 | nickzxcv | with gdm I have the same problem |
| 23:30.21 | nickzxcv | /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... |
| 23:30.22 | nickzxcv | Protocol not supported by server |
| 23:30.22 | nickzxcv | xrdb: Can't open display ':0' |
| 23:30.22 | nickzxcv | Protocol not supported by server |
| 23:30.22 | *** kick/#debian [nickzxcv!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 23:30.34 | *** join/#debian nickzxcv (i=nick@schmalenberger.us) |
| 23:31.05 | tote | hmm what could be wrong when i get: Configuring 'lilo-installer' fail with error code 1 |
| 23:31.09 | enouf | oh well .. dang - but ease up on the channel pasting |
| 23:32.20 | nickzxcv | ok, sorry |
| 23:32.33 | enouf | nickzxcv: does grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log say anything ? try export DISPLAY=:0.0 prior to startx |
| 23:33.18 | *** join/#debian MOAR-f00li5h (n=f00li5h@c211-30-238-226.thorn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 23:33.27 | nickzxcv | there are a lot of (EE) R128(0): FBIOPUT_VSCREENINFO: Invalid argument |
| 23:33.58 | tote | is it possible to change from lilo to grub in the debian installer? |
| 23:34.12 | enouf | !rescue mode |
| 23:34.12 | dpkg | Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 23:35.14 | nickzxcv | export DISPLAY=:0.0 doesn't help |
| 23:35.15 | enouf | nickzxcv: i don't know :-/ |
| 23:35.36 | tote | enouf: so i should first continue the install without a bootloader? |
| 23:35.38 | nickzxcv | ok, thanks |
| 23:35.48 | *** join/#debian mokka (n=dum@byrt-4dbf12ed.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 23:35.51 | enouf | i figured (since that Protocol thing is the real error it seems) - but worth a shot |
| 23:36.08 | enouf | tote: sure - i guess ;-) |
| 23:36.49 | enouf | tote: wait |
| 23:37.27 | tote | ok |
| 23:38.08 | enouf | tote: 1st look at what alt-f4 says as far as any useful messages , then alt-f2 , and run grub shell |
| 23:38.57 | enouf | tote: see http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html |
| 23:39.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 830] by debhelper |
| 23:39.55 | tote | i get a big red error message in the install saying lilo fails both on mbr and when i try using my new partition (raid1+encryption) |
| 23:40.21 | tote | and in alt+f4 it says: Coinfiguring 'lilo-installer' fail with error code 1 |
| 23:41.44 | *** join/#debian Wiz126 (i=Wiz126@72.20.220.105) |
| 23:42.08 | *** join/#debian stoffepojken (n=user@c80-217-82-234.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 23:42.21 | *** join/#debian Laeborg (n=Laeborg@ip0x5727f1.pip.mvb.dk) |
| 23:42.45 | Madsy | Uh.. my system can't find dpkg-reconfigure, but I have debconf and debconf-utils. Any ideas? |
| 23:43.02 | *** join/#debian egypcio (n=korn@unaffiliated/egypcio) |
| 23:43.07 | enouf | tote: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto?highlight=%28Raid%29 |
| 23:43.59 | tote | enouf: im using etchnhalf, that info applys to that too? |
| 23:44.52 | simonrvn | applies |
| 23:44.53 | dmoerner | Madsy: it's not in the normal user's path. are you trying as root? |
| 23:44.57 | simonrvn | Madsy: /usr/sbin |
| 23:45.04 | tote | simonrvn ;P |
| 23:45.12 | Madsy | simonrvn: ah, thanks |
| 23:45.17 | enouf | tote: i would think so - only a newer kernel was added (as an option), besides the typical security fixes and bug fixes that occured from 4.0 through 4.0r4 |
| 23:45.22 | *** join/#debian prolix (n=user@c-76-28-238-157.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 23:45.32 | simonrvn | hence dmoerner's comment about "not in normal user's path" |
| 23:46.13 | simonrvn | mem leak fixes are always nice |
| 23:46.51 | adama | I'm running lenny, no xserver etc. How to install kde4.1 with apt? |
| 23:47.03 | streuner | only for sid |
| 23:47.08 | streuner | !kde4.1 |
| 23:47.13 | adama | doh |
| 23:47.23 | streuner | !listvals kde4.1 |
| 23:47.24 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'kde4.1' by value returned no results. |
| 23:47.28 | streuner | hm |
| 23:47.43 | enouf | !kde4 |
| 23:47.43 | dpkg | it has been said that kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. (For lenny backports, see http://kde4.debian.net/) See http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ Experimental packages for KDE 4.1 are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 23:48.08 | *** join/#debian infernixxx (n=nix@ip164-156-173-82.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) |
| 23:48.15 | simonrvn | 4.1.1 and 4.1.2 are present |
| 23:48.47 | *** join/#debian Xttor_ (n=irc@h47n2c1o290.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 23:48.49 | enouf | !listvals KDE 4.1 |
| 23:48.51 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'KDE 4.1' by value (2): kde4 ;; kde 4. |
| 23:49.11 | enouf | smites himself before streuner does |
| 23:49.12 | adama | nm, I'll go with Gnome |
| 23:49.15 | streuner | hm, the bot needs another factoid |
| 23:49.46 | simonrvn | that kde4 one is almost out of date |
| 23:49.46 | streuner | enouf: hehe, no, not in this case :-P |
| 23:49.46 | *** join/#debian grilled-cheese (n=grilled-@adsl-69-151-112-69.dsl.ablntx.swbell.net) |
| 23:49.46 | adama | what's the most basic gnome install package? nothing extra |
| 23:49.46 | enouf | !feed me Seymour! |
| 23:49.46 | simonrvn | 4.0 was a mess |
| 23:49.46 | enouf | ;-) |
| 23:49.46 | dpkg | serves up a lovely steak and ale pie to me Seymour!. |
| 23:50.08 | streuner | adama: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 23:50.12 | enouf | the lenny backports wasn't added more than a month or two ago |
| 23:50.21 | simonrvn | mostly uses gnome stuff |
| 23:51.08 | *** join/#debian qq (n=qq@orb-rem-catv-c99-p175.vtx.ch) |
| 23:51.11 | streuner | uses GNOME on his laptop |
| 23:51.26 | *** join/#debian tview (n=user@f054124106.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 23:51.36 | adama | I'm running lenny & gnome on all my computers (something like 8 now) |
| 23:51.38 | streuner | but it has only 512 MB RAM, its sometimes a nightware |
| 23:51.44 | tote | enouf: the link you gave me doesnt mention any problems with boot loader? |
| 23:51.51 | adama | thought I'd try KDE but don't like 4.0 |
| 23:52.16 | simonrvn | when kde 4 gets an update in exp., i try it out, see how it's coming along... baby steeps in some cases, but there's visual progress. |
| 23:52.27 | *** join/#debian CcSsNET (n=ccssnet@pool-71-187-32-3.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:52.29 | streuner | if you want a DE, just try GNOME, differences arent that big... |
| 23:52.37 | simonrvn | 4 isn't very usable in several respects, but a lot better than 4.0 |
| 23:52.45 | simonrvn | mostly backend |
| 23:52.51 | simonrvn | streuner: ^^^ |
| 23:52.52 | *** join/#debian mirco_ (n=mirco@p54B26119.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:53.06 | simonrvn | s/steeps/steps/ |
| 23:53.52 | streuner | didnt use KDE very much in the past |
| 23:53.58 | tote | enouf: and i dont have grub in alt+f2, and grub-installer just gives me: wrong number of args: mapdevfs <path> |
| 23:54.10 | simonrvn | me neither. it's too windowsy for me |
| 23:54.17 | enouf | tote: i suspect the failure is due to the /dev/ nodes not matching or being present |
| 23:54.19 | streuner | GNOME too :-P |
| 23:54.24 | *** join/#debian cjns3274 (n=weechat@ool-45704694.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 23:54.27 | simonrvn | in some ways yes |
| 23:54.46 | streuner | most modern DE's tends to be so, IMO |
| 23:54.57 | *** join/#debian knoxy (n=gui@unaffiliated/knoxy) |
| 23:55.15 | simonrvn | yeh, unfortunately. too much like mac os x or windows, instead of trying to be "themselves" |
| 23:55.55 | tote | enouf: and what does that mean? :) |
| 23:55.58 | enouf | tote: then finish the install, and when it's time to reboot, boot into rescue mode and install grub? I'm not certain about any of this - maybe try in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:56.00 | *** join/#debian qq (n=qq@orb-rem-catv-c99-p175.vtx.ch) |
| 23:56.08 | simonrvn | and athena widgets just suck :P |
| 23:56.11 | adama | what really gets me is the themes and window decoration packages that try to look _exactly_ like vista or Mac |
| 23:56.22 | adama | tards |
| 23:56.24 | enouf | tote: if you read and understand the issue there in the wiki you'd know |
| 23:56.34 | tview | can anyone help me get debian to see the scanner on my officejet 6110. Its stopped working. Again. Printing is ok. But no scanning device is seen by xsane. |
| 23:56.43 | simonrvn | adama: i try those tbh, but i quickly get tired of them |
| 23:56.53 | simonrvn | the mac ones anyway |
| 23:57.04 | enouf | tote: what does 'mount' say in VT3? |
| 23:57.11 | enouf | er vt2 |
| 23:57.30 | streuner | tview: is the scanner supported at all? |
| 23:57.55 | knoxy | hi all.. I need help... I'm trying to install my new debian server in HP Proliant DL160 G5... but when the system try detect CDROM (SATA), the debian installation says "No cdrom detected. You want to select manually the cdrom?" ... How can I do to debian installation detect my cdrom? I try with debian lenny and debian etch |
| 23:57.57 | simonrvn | right now i just have some simple clearlooks look-a-like |
| 23:58.14 | simonrvn | knoxy: might want etchnhalf |
| 23:58.18 | tview | what do you mean exactly "supported at all"? Its part of a hp officejet 6110. One of the best supported multis in Linux. it was working before. its just stopped. This has happened before. Some update no doubt since last use. |
| 23:58.19 | dustybin | is there a way to find out what data a debian os was installed? |
| 23:58.20 | *** join/#debian agoodNando (n=nando@unaffiliated/agoodnando) |
| 23:58.24 | simonrvn | oh |
| 23:58.25 | *** join/#debian Mango-chan (n=mango@pool-71-102-117-75.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 23:58.33 | simonrvn | missing driver it sounds like |
| 23:58.49 | simonrvn | dustybin: date? |
| 23:58.59 | dustybin | simonrvn: yes, the day it was installed |
| 23:59.05 | simonrvn | only the installer log in /root |
| 23:59.07 | dustybin | was something date stamped? |
| 23:59.13 | dustybin | aye ok thanks |
| 23:59.13 | tote | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/HB7Unj51.html |
| 23:59.23 | simonrvn | if there is any |
| 23:59.25 | knoxy | simonrvn etchnhalf ? |
| 23:59.27 | Mango-chan | hi, i was planning to set up a ftp server on debian... |
| 23:59.34 | simonrvn | no cjust mtim |
| 23:59.39 | Mango-chan | i used proftpd |
| 23:59.44 | Mango-chan | but i'm stuck with the configuring |
| 23:59.44 | simonrvn | e |
| 23:59.44 | *** join/#debian bryno (n=bryno@unaffiliated/bryno) |
| 23:59.51 | Mango-chan | can anyone help? -v- |
| 23:59.57 | knoxy | simonrvn etch-and-a-half ? |
