| 00:00.10 | adama | Mango-chan: what is the problem? |
| 00:00.13 | tview | Mango-chan: gadmin-proftpd not working? |
| 00:00.16 | Mango-chan | no |
| 00:00.19 | Mango-chan | i got it installed |
| 00:00.26 | tview | For me neither. It just segfaults .... |
| 00:00.28 | Mango-chan | just stuck with the config file |
| 00:00.38 | Mango-chan | i was googling, didn't understand it |
| 00:00.39 | Mango-chan | -A- |
| 00:01.06 | simonrvn | afk |
| 00:01.37 | Mango-chan | wait, let me pastebin it |
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| 00:01.51 | enouf | tote: so follow the steps outlined in the wiki |
| 00:02.01 | tview | Mango-chan: fo try gadmin tools though. http://85.214.17.244/gadmintools/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=29 |
| 00:02.26 | Mango-chan | is it gui based? |
| 00:02.31 | tview | yes |
| 00:02.35 | tote | enouf: so continue without installing bootloader |
| 00:02.37 | Mango-chan | oh |
| 00:02.37 | Mango-chan | ok |
| 00:02.38 | Mango-chan | thanks |
| 00:02.47 | enouf | tote: "nano /target/etc/crypttab" and add-> md0_crypt /dev/md0 none luks if using LUKs |
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| 00:03.16 | enouf | tote: yes, so atleast these things remain there |
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| 00:04.20 | enouf | tote: the way i understand the issue is; if you do not do these steps and reboot, your whole raid+crypto setup will be lost .. |
| 00:04.40 | enouf | tote: the way i understand the issue is; if you do not do these steps - then when you do reboot, your whole raid+crypto setup will be lost .. |
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| 00:05.02 | streuner | tview: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 00:05.03 | Mango-chan | does gadmin-proftpd |
| 00:05.09 | Mango-chan | use the proftpd config file? |
| 00:05.16 | enouf | tote: then do the # chroot /target steps shown |
| 00:05.29 | tote | enouf: ok |
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| 00:08.08 | tview | streuner: was that really for me? Gnu C shared librries? |
| 00:08.09 | knoxy | hi all.. I need help... I'm trying to install my new debian server in HP Proliant DL160 G5... but when the system try detect CDROM (SATA), the debian installation says "No cdrom detected. You want to select manually the cdrom?" ... How can I do to debian installation detect my cdrom? I try with debian lenny and debian etch..... If I try to install the "etch-and-a-half" resolve my problem? |
| 00:09.01 | tote | enouf: well rebooted now, and ofc it doesnt work, because i didnt install a bootloader, so its time to play in rescue mode now? |
| 00:09.36 | enouf | knoxy: try booting the CD, then at the boot prompt: "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" with no quotations |
| 00:10.02 | enouf | tote: indeed |
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| 00:10.45 | streuner | tview: sure, i want to find out, if i need btssmite or not :-P |
| 00:11.04 | tview | You have lost me. |
| 00:11.46 | streuner | Didnt you say, the scanner worked before? |
| 00:11.51 | tote | enouf: hmm rescue mode is like the installer? :/ |
| 00:12.09 | enouf | tote: it's self guiding |
| 00:12.26 | enouf | just answer the simple questions tote |
| 00:12.29 | enouf | there are only a few |
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| 00:12.50 | adama | knoxy: You may have luck changing some settings in your BIOS to "emulate IDE" or something |
| 00:13.03 | adama | I had that problem once, that fixed it |
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| 00:13.12 | adama | you can change it back once it's all installed |
| 00:13.23 | enouf | tote: i'm sure you read the docs given to you earlier, yes? and the section about it in the Installation Guide so you know what to expect, right? |
| 00:13.40 | tview | streuner: yes. for over a year. On and off. The occasional update hosed it but I just reinstalled hplip and it worked again. Not now. I'm beginning to wonder if the Ubuntu development is feeding into Debian so much breaks these days ..... :-; |
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| 00:18.59 | enouf | tote: in case you have trouble, or lost the info http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto .. ignore any LVM related stuff |
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| 00:19.14 | ceil420 | memtest showed no errors; on a zenwalk livecd now |
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| 00:21.04 | ceil420 | pidgin sucks -_- wish this thing had xchat on it |
| 00:22.55 | Mango-chan | hi |
| 00:23.03 | Mango-chan | i've installed GADMIN |
| 00:23.17 | Mango-chan | i disabled password on an account |
| 00:23.21 | Mango-chan | but when i try to login |
| 00:23.25 | tote | enouf: i just noticed that i set the bootflag on my two partitions on my two disk before doing the raid? could that be a cause to the problem? |
| 00:23.30 | Mango-chan | i gives me 530 login incorrect |
| 00:23.34 | Mango-chan | wat am i doing wrong? |
| 00:23.36 | Mango-chan | what* |
| 00:24.03 | ceil420 | oh, and i totally forgot about the sysrq thing :x |
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| 00:24.14 | enouf | tote: no, linux ignores any boot/active flags |
| 00:24.18 | ceil420 | if i disconnect, send me a strong telepathic message to try that plz |
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| 00:25.27 | enouf | tote: although, you might have stumbled upon some sort of weird bug, since there are much less installs using your raid+crypto setup |
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| 00:29.44 | Mango-chan | can anyone help me? |
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| 00:30.24 | tote | enouf: in rescue mode, i cannot mount md0 on /target, says my device or resource is busy |
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| 00:30.45 | enouf | !8ball can anyone help? |
| 00:30.45 | dpkg | Please ask again. |
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| 00:31.13 | Mango-chan | >.< |
| 00:31.18 | enouf | tote: what's vt2 'mount' say? |
| 00:31.49 | Mango-chan | somehow |
| 00:31.58 | Mango-chan | when i create an account with gadmin |
| 00:32.01 | tote | enouf: nothing with mdx |
| 00:32.06 | Mango-chan | when i login, with the password |
| 00:32.09 | Mango-chan | it says i cannot connect |
| 00:33.01 | enouf | tote: well, firstly you install grub onto your block devices, not mdX ones, and secondly why are you trying to mount? |
| 00:33.30 | tote | enouf: i followed your link ;P |
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| 00:34.11 | enouf | tote: run the grub-installer or shell or whatever rescue mode offers you |
| 00:35.03 | tote | only got grub-installer, but it says: wrong number of args: mapdevfs <path> |
| 00:35.17 | enouf | tote: install grub into the MBR of each HDD (hda/hdb -- sda/sdb) |
| 00:35.34 | enouf | tote: what are you entering? |
| 00:35.58 | tote | enouf: only grup-installer, because there is no --help or man :/ |
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| 00:36.02 | tote | grub* |
| 00:36.02 | enouf | and obviously your md0 didn't stick either it seems |
| 00:36.29 | tote | but i can se md0 and md1 in /dev? |
| 00:36.35 | enouf | tote: what does it say? and what are you entering into the box? |
| 00:36.59 | enouf | tote: you just said you saw no MDX in mount output |
| 00:37.16 | tote | enouf: i dont |
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| 00:37.47 | tote | enouf: because i got errors in the rescue guide, when it tried to mount it |
| 00:38.55 | enouf | tote: what does it say? and what are you entering into the box? |
| 00:39.46 | tote | enouf: what does what say? *confused* |
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| 00:40.07 | enouf | tote: "grub-install (hd0) /dev/sda" is a typical command |
| 00:40.34 | ceil420 | hmm |
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| 00:40.44 | ceil420 | how can i mount my 500gig from a livecd? |
| 00:40.47 | ceil420 | i wanna save a desktop :x |
| 00:41.15 | ceil420 | there's /dev/sda and /dev/sda1, but i want /dev/sda5 (my /home) |
| 00:41.19 | path__ | would bet 90% is pr0n |
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| 00:41.31 | tote | enouf: my bin is named grub-installer if that matters, and that gives me with grub-installer: syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") |
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| 00:43.31 | enouf | tote: show me mount output in pastebin |
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| 00:44.35 | doublehp | how can i learn about the physical internal layout of data in a disk ? i want to know how many plates in a disk, and, in which plates a given partition lays, and if both sides of plates contain data. I think i have bad blocks on a disk, but all data at the beginning are good: i need to know the physical geometry to know if i have to deal with 4 or 6 faces, and which ones are still good. |
| 00:44.55 | tote | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/oYKULA63.html |
| 00:45.21 | enouf | tote: did you use the quotations in your command that failed with unexpected (expecting ")") ? |
| 00:46.06 | tote | enouf: nope |
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| 00:46.10 | rvalles | doublehp: when there are many plates, I think they're normally interleaved |
| 00:46.13 | rvalles | doublehp: so it wouldn't matter. |
| 00:46.29 | enouf | tote: and what are your HDDs, are they sata or pata? |
| 00:46.37 | rvalles | doublehp: in any case, why do you need to know that? |
| 00:46.39 | enouf | tote: uname -r says? |
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| 00:46.47 | doublehp | rvalles: cinlinders lay over all plates at the same time ? |
| 00:46.53 | runnert | Hi I'm having a problem with X on lenny, once started X continually consumes memory (regardless of what I do and including when I do nothing (kdm login prompt)) until the machine freezes, restarting X sorts it out but I need to do that about every 2 hours to make it useable |
| 00:47.19 | tote | enouf: sata and 2.6.24-1-amd64 |
| 00:47.41 | rvalles | interleaved means that for 2 plates, if cylinder 1 is in plate 1, 2 is in plate 2, 3 in plate 1 and so on. It usually is a bit more complicated than this, but that's the general idea. |
| 00:47.44 | doublehp | rvalles: knowing location of BB allowed me several times to repartition the disk, and use it 6 months to 1 y more ... so, when reliability is not a problem, i save money, and time |
| 00:47.48 | doublehp | (opening the box) |
| 00:48.00 | rvalles | doublehp: interesting |
| 00:48.12 | rvalles | doublehp: have you tried just passing badblocks -w on it? |
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| 00:48.26 | rvalles | (so that the disk reasigns bad sectors by itself) |
| 00:48.30 | enouf | doublehp: LBA translation messes that all up - aren't you happy now? :-) |
| 00:49.01 | doublehp | rvalles: not yet; some partitions are good, and i d like to keep them untouched, and just resize the other ones |
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| 00:49.06 | Mango-chan | can anyone help me with GADMIN-PROFTPD |
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| 00:49.54 | doublehp | enouf: i am aware; still, maybe a "clever" partitioning could help. It did in a BigFoot (simple plate 5"1/4 extra thin disk - quiet famous) |
| 00:50.25 | jelly-home | doublehp: ATA disks don't expose the physical geometry |
| 00:50.51 | rvalles | doublehp: big foots are old :P |
| 00:51.00 | rvalles | things have changed quite a bit since those. |
| 00:51.19 | enouf | tote: ok, one last shot - do this in vt2 do "grub" then "root (hd[TAB][TAB] " no quotes, and hit the [TAB] key where i marked to |
| 00:51.37 | tote | enouf: grub not found ;P |
| 00:51.40 | prolix | ~/window 7 |
| 00:51.43 | prolix | woops |
| 00:52.03 | Mango-chan | can anyone help me~? |
| 00:52.21 | enouf | tote: well, i haven't used the installer in a while - best move onto where i said to go |
| 00:52.34 | doublehp | rvalles: costs 10mn trying to ask :) |
| 00:52.35 | doublehp | Thanks |
| 00:52.36 | enouf | Mango-chan: i have no friggin idea |
| 00:52.41 | Mango-chan | D: |
| 00:53.08 | tote | enouf: ok, thank you for your help :) |
| 00:53.19 | enouf | tried |
| 00:53.27 | doublehp | Mango-chan: heard about that combo years ago; did you try google/forums ? |
| 00:53.39 | Mango-chan | yeah |
| 00:53.44 | Mango-chan | well i google'd |
| 00:53.49 | rvalles | doublehp: you could try badblocks -n |
| 00:53.50 | Mango-chan | i can connect |
| 00:53.52 | Mango-chan | but i can't login |
| 00:53.55 | Mango-chan | even though i set a password |
| 00:54.15 | rvalles | doublehp: non-destructive write test (it reads, then does some write tests, then restores original content, for each block) |
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| 00:54.38 | rvalles | doublehp: if the disk itself detects a problem when writing, that'll trigger the remapping. |
| 00:55.04 | rvalles | doublehp: (read errors don't trigger remapping, for obvious data recovery reasons) |
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| 01:00.18 | enouf | doublehp: maybe not what you want, but informative ;-) http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/os2-disc-and-volume-size-limits.html and http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/J.Steunebrink/bioslim.htm |
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| 01:09.01 | Absolute0 | Can someone in the us please paste their /etc/apt/sources.list file. Mine keeps complaining about broken url's :( |
| 01:09.28 | dondelelcaro | Absolute0: paste yours, and we can help you |
| 01:09.32 | Absolute0 | backports don't work either |
| 01:09.38 | Mango-chan | dondelelcaro |
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| 01:09.54 | Mango-chan | do you know how to troubleshoot gadamin-proftpd |
| 01:10.17 | dondelelcaro | Absolute0: that's fine; provide your sources.list and the apt-cache policy; and apt-get update; output |
| 01:10.36 | Absolute0 | how do i get apt-cache policy? |
| 01:10.38 | dondelelcaro | Mango-chan: if you ask a question, someone here may know |
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| 01:10.41 | dondelelcaro | Absolute0: you run it |
| 01:10.43 | Mango-chan | i already did |
| 01:10.44 | Mango-chan | -v- |
| 01:10.47 | dondelelcaro | Absolute0: it's a command. |
| 01:10.57 | Mango-chan | i've configured gadmin-proftpd |
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| 01:11.05 | Mango-chan | i've set up accounts and stuff |
| 01:11.06 | Absolute0 | oh ok |
| 01:11.08 | Mango-chan | but when i connect |
| 01:11.23 | Mango-chan | it always returns a 530 |
| 01:11.26 | dondelelcaro | Mango-chan: when you ask your question, please put it on one line |
| 01:11.30 | dondelelcaro | !tell Mango-chan -about ask |
| 01:11.33 | Mango-chan | oh, ok, sorry |
| 01:11.50 | dondelelcaro | Mango-chan: see what dpkg told you for some helpful advice; if you fill in the blanks, someone is more likely to help you |
| 01:11.56 | Mango-chan | ok |
| 01:11.59 | Mango-chan | thanks |
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| 01:13.46 | DanDare | im using root remote access trought ssh just allowed with a encrypted key. After login as root system lates a bit to ask me the passphrase, something like 3 ~ 5 seconds |
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| 01:14.20 | DanDare | point is that wasnt like this some time ago. Some tome ago it was just very quick. What can cause such a lag ? |
| 01:14.49 | DanDare | oh well its Debian etch |
| 01:14.53 | Mango-chan | I have a problem with gadmin-proftpd, I've installed everything properly, created users and such, but when I try to connect with an exisitng user, I can connect to the server, but it returns me with a 530 saying that login is incorrect. |
| 01:15.00 | Absolute0 | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/v2E1bc65.html |
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| 01:15.42 | Absolute0 | is there no src for security updates? |
| 01:16.11 | Mango-chan | i don't know, anyone i can check? |
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| 01:16.19 | Mango-chan | any way* |
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| 01:17.15 | Absolute0 | dondelelcaro: any luck? |
| 01:18.27 | Absolute0 | Can someone check whats wrong with my /etc/apt/source.list file: http://rafb.net/p/v2E1bc65.html |
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| 01:18.59 | Sisk | Anyone here know enough about freevo to maybe tell me what's causing an error? |
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| 01:19.51 | Absolute0 | i think running update twice helps |
| 01:19.52 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 01:19.53 | Absolute0 | weird |
| 01:20.19 | shivraj | wols_: I had to reinstall debian .... the hostname was not specified during install printer works now .. thanks for help :) |
| 01:20.21 | Absolute0 | not for backports |
| 01:20.29 | shivraj | anyone know how to resize my /home partition |
| 01:20.34 | shivraj | I have 13 gig that I want to add to it |
| 01:21.42 | Walther | is it on a LVM? |
| 01:21.59 | shivraj | Walther: no its on a HD |
| 01:22.13 | Absolute0 | shivraj: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 01:22.16 | shivraj | Walther: whats an LVM ? |
| 01:22.24 | shivraj | Absolute0: huh ? |
| 01:22.33 | Wyzard | shivraj: something that would make it much easier to resize partitions :-) |
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| 01:22.50 | shivraj | hehe |
| 01:22.54 | Absolute0 | Everytime i install debian from cd i have problems getting apt-get to work with network instead :( |
| 01:22.59 | Wyzard | shivraj: Where is the 13GB located? Is it free space in another partition, or is it unpartitioned space? |
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| 01:23.20 | shivraj | Absolute0: I had the same problem ... I have a wireless card ..... |
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| 01:23.32 | shivraj | Wyzard: unpartitioned space |
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| 01:23.46 | Absolute0 | shivraj: well i am trying to install the latest kernel so that my wireless card could work |
| 01:23.47 | Wyzard | shivraj: Is the unpartitioned space located immediately after the /home partition? |
| 01:23.48 | Walther | shivraj: you could use gparted |
| 01:23.50 | Absolute0 | and that kernel is in backports |
| 01:23.50 | shivraj | Absolute0: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib |
| 01:24.05 | Walther | but i would backup 1st |
| 01:24.21 | shivraj | Wyzard: no before |
| 01:24.25 | Absolute0 | shivraj: no security? |
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| 01:24.51 | shivraj | Absolute0: I typed that manually |
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| 01:25.14 | Wyzard | shivraj: then all the data in your /home partition has to be shifted |
| 01:25.32 | shivraj | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib |
| 01:25.50 | Wyzard | shivraj: gparted can do that, I believe, but it may take a long time, during which time your /home has to be unmounted |
| 01:26.09 | shivraj | Wyzard: I will just create another parition called /MISC, I have a lot of junk |
| 01:26.11 | Wyzard | shivraj: and if something goes wrong during the process (crash, power failure, etc.) your data is hosed, so make a backup first |
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| 01:26.45 | shivraj | I dunno that sounds scary .. I am going to buy a big hd like 500 gig for /home |
| 01:26.58 | JW | Anyone here use mysql replication? My slave can't seem to find the master. |
| 01:27.05 | shivraj | I thought it was easy |
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| 01:27.30 | Absolute0 | Are the backport repos functioning tonight? |
| 01:27.31 | dryrot | JW: can you ping the slave from the master? hvae you looked at the log files? |
| 01:27.33 | Walther | 500 gig's ain't big anymore |
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| 01:27.53 | Wyzard | shivraj: If you're not using LVM, extending a partition is easy if and only if the free space is located immediately after the partition you want to extend |
| 01:28.06 | shivraj | Walther: yeah 20 TB ... I dont have a lot of porn |
| 01:28.17 | JW | dryrot: ping, ssh all that. |
| 01:28.35 | Wyzard | shivraj: btw, I did a comparison of Seagate's hard drives on newegg.com recently and found that the optimum price-per-gigabyte was a 640GB drive for $85 USD |
| 01:28.38 | dryrot | did you look at the mysql error log file on the slave. |
| 01:28.39 | Walther | i don't get why people keep pr0n at all |
| 01:28.52 | shivraj | Wyzard: haha |
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| 01:28.56 | shivraj | nice |
| 01:29.05 | CompWizrd | wyzard: around here it's about a 1TB, at 119 bucks |
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| 01:29.30 | Wyzard | CompWizrd: I saw an buy.com offer for exactly that, for a WD drive |
| 01:29.41 | Wyzard | CompWizrd: offer ends today though |
| 01:29.57 | CompWizrd | yeah, my supplier has the spinpoints for 119, think it was 135 for the 7200.11's though |
| 01:30.24 | JW | dryrot: ok this is really dumb but I don't see an error log in /var/lib/mysql or /var/log/mysql |
| 01:30.46 | JW | dryrot: in case you're wondering I'm on Etch using the std Debian mysql 5 server package |
| 01:31.21 | Wyzard | CompWizrd: I tend to stick with Seagate drives though |
| 01:31.26 | JW | dryrot: ok I found them but .log and .err are both empty |
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| 01:31.57 | JW | dryrot: you use replication? |
| 01:32.03 | shivraj | I think Seagate's are better ... |
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| 01:32.51 | CompWizrd | yeah, i've got 6 of the 7200.11's myself |
| 01:32.58 | dryrot | JW: look in daemon.log in /var/log/ |
| 01:34.30 | JW | dryrot: there's a warning about "Neither --relay-log nor --relay-log-index were used" |
| 01:34.45 | shivraj | I just got a new Logitech Laptoplike keyboard from newegg.com today this thing rocks $19.99 real good, beats my old microsoft klunky $15.99 for key/mouse |
| 01:35.29 | Wyzard | CompWizrd: looks like prices have come down since I last checked... even the high-end 1.5TB drive at $189 is more cost-effective than that optimum price point I found a few weeks ago |
| 01:36.51 | JW | dryrot: One thing I haven't been able to figure out is what exactly tells the slave who/where the master is? I'm trying to duplicate a working master/slave pair that someone else put together and I don't see anything in the my.cnf that says the master is at this ip or whatever |
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| 01:37.33 | Walther | When will newegg.ca go live |
| 01:37.52 | apolloliftoff | is there an easy way to do recursive chown in mc? |
| 01:37.54 | CompWizrd | Walther: was supposed to have a few years ago |
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| 01:38.30 | Walther | can they match or beat ncix.com prices |
| 01:39.33 | JW | dryrot: ok I may have figured it out; I'm working off of some incomplete documentation. |
| 01:39.36 | Walther | i don't want to drive all the to Bellyham to pickup a simple keyboard |
| 01:45.40 | JW | dryrot: finally got if figured out. The fellow who setup the previous set doesn't configure the master in the conf, he does it in the mysql shell . . and only wrote down part of the sql statement. |
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| 01:51.11 | Absolute0 | I got backports working what keyword will give me linux kernel 2.6.26 in the result? |
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| 01:52.43 | phorce1 | Absolute0: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.26 |
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| 01:54.52 | Absolute0 | phorce1: for some reason "linux" or "kernel" gave me the old version only :( |
| 01:55.05 | psylance | can i know how can i recompile my kernel using existing kernel files/headers in /usr/src? |
| 01:55.17 | Absolute0 | isn't 2.6.26-5 out in backports? |
| 01:55.24 | Absolute0 | i am getting 2.6.26-4 |
| 01:55.37 | Absolute0 | lets hope this one supports my wireless card |
| 01:55.42 | Absolute0 | and sound :) |
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| 01:55.54 | phorce1 | Absolute0: have you done an apt-get update or aptitude update? |
| 01:56.01 | Absolute0 | aptitude |
| 01:56.17 | Absolute0 | theres a difference? |
| 01:57.08 | shivraj | Absolute0: what wireless card is it ? |
| 01:57.18 | Absolute0 | rtl8185 |
| 01:57.22 | phorce1 | Absolute0: I don't know which version is in backports. I'm running lenny. If you've done the update and it only shows you -4 then that's all that's up there. lenny is on -5 |
| 01:57.25 | Absolute0 | it works by manually installing the driver |
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| 01:57.30 | Absolute0 | but that seems to be buggy |
| 01:57.43 | Absolute0 | I am on etch |
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| 01:57.55 | Absolute0 | probably backports-lenny is more bleeding edge |
| 01:58.01 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 01:58.16 | shivraj | Absolute0: nah .. Lenny is good ... been using it for months now .. plus it has a nicer gnome |
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| 01:58.27 | Absolute0 | it's interesting that linux-image-2.6.26-bpo.1-686 |
| 01:58.27 | phorce1 | Absolute0: you shouldn't mix using apt-get and aptitude for actual installs and such. I only use apt for cache searches now. |
| 01:58.32 | Absolute0 | has no dependencies |
| 01:58.38 | shivraj | I had an issue with my hostname, I thought it was a bug in lenny ... but it wasnt |
| 01:59.02 | DanDare | Accessing debian remotely using ssh it take a long time (5 ~ 7 seconds), until it prompts me for the password. Point is that wasnt this way in the past. In the past such a requeste were prompted very quickly. Some clue what happens ? |
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| 01:59.26 | Absolute0 | checks out the uber cool new kernel |
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| 01:59.52 | shivraj | DanDare: what did you do since ? |
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| 02:00.28 | DanDare | shivraj, seted some icecast server.. cant remember more thant this |
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| 02:01.12 | DanDare | shivraj, i do regularly 'apt-get upgrade' tought |
| 02:01.27 | shivraj | DanDare: it shouldnt take mroe than 1 second ... something is wrong .. dont know what |
| 02:01.33 | DanDare | damn |
| 02:01.55 | DanDare | some idea how to start checking this out ? |
| 02:02.05 | DanDare | where i should start or something like a clue |
| 02:02.59 | DanDare | should i try reconfigure sshd ? |
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| 02:03.15 | DanDare | dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 02:07.16 | psylance | can i know how can i recompile my kernel using existing kernel files/headers in /usr/src? |
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| 02:12.38 | Arrick | !lamp |
| 02:12.38 | dpkg | i heard lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server (or see http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp) or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/ Ask me about <install debian><install apache2><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?), or "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql ; a2enmod php5" |
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| 02:15.48 | psylance | !phpmyadmin |
| 02:15.48 | dpkg | phpmyadmin is, like, a tool written in PHP intended to handle the administration of MySQL over the Internet. Currently it can create and drop databases, create/drop/alter tables, delete/edit/add fields, execute any SQL statement, and manage keys on fields. http://www.phpmyadmin.net/documentation/#faq |
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| 02:17.17 | prolix | i think lamp should be appended to include erlang. lampe! |
| 02:18.01 | dudeman | Arrick, what are you looking for? |
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| 02:18.27 | Arrick | dudeman, I installed that crap vhcs control panel last night, and believe me, its CRAP |
| 02:18.35 | dudeman | yup |
| 02:18.40 | Arrick | so now im installing lamp and manually doing it |
| 02:18.44 | dudeman | I told you that last night I think |
| 02:18.47 | dudeman | Arrick, good man |
| 02:18.50 | dudeman | I'm proud of you |
| 02:19.00 | dudeman | Arrick, sold any equipment yet? |
| 02:19.29 | Arrick | we actually started another band out, and have tripled what we wanted for the equipment |
| 02:19.39 | dudeman | cool |
| 02:19.46 | dudeman | where is your lamp server being installed? |
| 02:19.51 | dudeman | you have a dedicated or a vps? |
| 02:20.28 | dudeman | I'm looking for a reliable spot to put www.oswebdev.info (free informational site, no ads no banners) |
| 02:20.39 | dudeman | but I don't feel like spending money, and a debian based hosting is ideal |
| 02:20.50 | dudeman | I don't need cpanels but ssh would be nice :D can you help out! |
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| 02:39.20 | Absolute1 | how would I go about adding classpaths? |
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| 02:46.00 | iormz | Hi, does anyone know if there is any bug with the wireless tools ? I tried to configure a network with iwconfig and for some reason the essid ends up with a 00x for example if I type iwconfig essid "iormz" I will get for essid "iormzx00" |
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| 02:47.15 | tview | flame me |
| 02:47.30 | tview | whoops |
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| 02:48.17 | drwahl | i have debian lenny-amd64 installed on a new laptop. when i hit Ctrl+Alt+F1, there is no video. any ideas how to fix/troublshoot this? |
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| 02:49.27 | bullgard4 | 'man terminator': "Terminator is aimed at those who normally arrange lots of terminals near each other, but don't want to use a frame based window manager." What is a _frame based_ window manager? |
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| 02:50.31 | qq | drwahl: Ctrl+Alt+F1 is for console mode only |
| 02:50.41 | dmoerner | bullgard4: a tiling wm like ion i would presume, which calls different tiles "frames" |
| 02:50.57 | Arrick | I like transferring files at 6,000 B/s |
| 02:51.15 | drwahl | qq: i understand that it is console, but i do not get anything on my screen. it looks like there is no signal going to the laptop screen |
| 02:51.33 | bullgard4 | dmoerner: Thank you for explaining. |
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| 02:53.36 | drwahl | my best guess is that changing some boot time parameters (like vga=769) might help, but i think there must be a more logical way of troubleshooting this |
| 02:53.37 | qq | drwahl: try too Ctrl+Alt+F2 to F6 |
| 02:54.09 | drwahl | qq: all 6 console are completely blank (no video?). the only time i get video is when i have X running (kdm) |
| 02:56.42 | amphi | drwahl: what video card? |
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| 02:58.15 | drwahl | ugh, so i hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 and the video didn't come back |
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| 02:59.00 | Mango-chan | hi, does anyone know where to download ktorrent plugins? |
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| 02:59.37 | hatter | the exim4 deb compiled with mysql support ? |
| 03:00.28 | hatter | 'is' |
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| 03:01.13 | qq | Mango-chan: try apt-cache search ktorrent |
| 03:01.20 | Mango-chan | ok |
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| 03:01.48 | Absolute1 | Which package install gtk+ ? |
| 03:02.12 | Absolute1 | I am trying to run the latest firefox from firefox.com and it's complaining about gtk being to old |
| 03:02.19 | Absolute1 | So i am trying to get it from backports |
| 03:02.52 | qq | Absolute1: try p.d.o |
| 03:02.53 | Absolute1 | 'apt-cache search gtk' only gives applications written with gtk |
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| 03:03.07 | qq | !p.d.o |
| 03:03.07 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 03:03.54 | Absolute1 | !dpkg gtk |
| 03:03.54 | dpkg | somebody said gtk was GTK+ (Gimp Tool Kit), a graphical toolkit, currently at version 2. Version 1 is still used and in Debian as libgtk1.2. Versions 1 and 2 are not compatible and totally separate. |
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| 03:08.16 | Absolute1 | is lenny stable? |
| 03:08.26 | Absolute1 | last time i tried it, it was all broken |
| 03:08.49 | drwahl | so consoles on Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6 are all blank screens, and when i reboot, instead of showing the text while its shutting down, i get a blank screen (until it powers off). might this be because of the video card, or maybe the resolution? |
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| 03:11.17 | dondelelcaro | Absolute1: it's testing, so no. |
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| 03:12.17 | Malf | drwahl: I think I had a similar issue a while back because I had a frame buffer kernel module loading that conflicted with my video driver |
| 03:12.40 | amphi | drwahl: what is the card? |
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| 03:13.24 | Absolute1 | dondelelcaro: well so is sid |
| 03:14.31 | Absolute1 | Aren't newer packages more stable than older ones? |
| 03:14.31 | drwahl | nvidia 9800, using nvidias driver |
| 03:14.31 | Absolute1 | I don't get why so much work is done to testing old packages |
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| 03:15.41 | myosound | Absolute1: newer packages can fix bugs, but break other things |
| 03:15.59 | dudeman | hm |
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| 03:17.27 | Absolute1 | Well i'd hope that every module has unit tests |
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| 03:17.37 | Absolute1 | and thorough testing is done before each release |
| 03:17.40 | Absolute1 | oh well |
| 03:17.57 | Absolute1 | and those bugs are immediately reported by end users |
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| 03:19.06 | drwahl | hmm... i just lost video with my Xserver up, so it may not be directly linked to just the console |
| 03:20.56 | Dan_away | when i log in debian as some standart user i have colour codes for directories, executables and other type of things. How to turn those colours on while using root account ? |
| 03:21.30 | Dan_away | its on .profile ? |
| 03:21.44 | Dan_away | dont... |
| 03:22.10 | Dan_away | .bashrc ? |
| 03:22.52 | Dan_away | yeah its .bashrc :) |
| 03:23.00 | Dan_away | loves commented lines |
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| 03:25.32 | amphi | drwahl: sorry, I have no idea about nvidia |
| 03:25.52 | drwahl | np, thanks all the same :) |
| 03:26.04 | drwahl | maybe someone else in here does though... |
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| 03:33.50 | drwahl | ah, it looks like there are some errors in the Xorg.log.0 file |
| 03:34.01 | drwahl | i'm thinking the driver keeps crashing, i'm gonna try reinstalling it |
| 03:41.00 | Imoutomango | hello, how do you make a program run when you bootup? |
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| 03:43.38 | wols | !tell Imoutomango about run at startup |
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| 03:51.19 | qq | last kernel 2.6.26-1-686 (-5) don't has currently modules (only -3, -4 are in repos) |
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| 03:53.58 | wols | qq: what "modules"? |
| 03:54.34 | qq | like virtualbox-modules-* |
| 03:55.14 | wols | both lenny and sid are not released. you are expected to make your own. source packages are available and work with m-a |
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| 03:55.42 | stew | qq: what do you mean by -5, -3, -4 ? |
| 03:55.54 | qq | yes, but they don't much the kernel |
| 03:56.15 | stew | qq: how so? |
| 03:56.21 | qq | i means made via m-a |
| 03:56.30 | qq | i dunno |
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| 03:57.17 | stew | qq: what exactly is the complaint? |
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| 03:58.15 | xomhau | hi all |
| 03:58.31 | qq | stew: i reboot on 2.6.26 ,brb |
| 03:58.40 | stew | qq: both lenny and sid have virtualbo-ose-modules-2.6.26-1-$arch to match linux-image-2.6.26-1-$arch |
| 03:59.08 | drwahl | i'm having issues with a program picking up audio from my microphone, is there any utilities to help adjust microphone settings? |
| 03:59.19 | wols | stew: he might talk about ubuntu. they are up to -4 or so with 2.6.26 |
| 03:59.32 | xomhau | can i watch online with Miro? I don't want download |
| 03:59.35 | qq | no , on debian |
| 03:59.44 | liable | we are up to -5 |
| 03:59.52 | wols | liable: where? |
| 04:00.14 | liable | wols: its 2.6.26-1_2.6.26-5 |
| 04:00.25 | amphi | drwahl: alsamixer? |
| 04:00.55 | stew | liable: sure but virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.26-1-686 will work fine with linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 version 2.6.26-5 |
| 04:01.02 | stew | (i'd assume) |
| 04:01.03 | drwahl | i was thinking more like something that bounces around if the microphone is pickup up audio |
| 04:01.14 | liable | stew: yeah, it should |
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| 04:11.01 | qq | VBox status code: -1912 (VERR_VM_DRIVER_VERSION_MISMATCH). |
| 04:11.05 | pseubodot | did anyone recently come in here asking for help with a tc1000 tablet? |
| 04:11.23 | qq | :/home/qq# modprobe vboxdrv |
| 04:11.27 | qq | is ok |
| 04:12.00 | dmoerner | pseubodot: some guy on forums.debian.net has some issues with that |
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| 04:12.53 | pseubodot | dmoerner: I have the same device, and am still trying to configure the pen |
| 04:13.07 | pseubodot | dmoerner: I saw the forum post |
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| 04:17.24 | qq | stew: virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.26-1-686: Installed/ Candidate: 2.6.26+1.6.2-dfsg-4 |
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| 04:22.53 | qq | he kervel 2.6.26-1-686 is dated #1 SMP Wed Sep 10 ... but the virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.26-1-686_2.6.26+1.6.2-dfsg-4_i386.deb is dated on 02-Sep-2008 |
| 04:23.09 | qq | the kernel * |
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| 04:35.15 | pseubodot | dmoerner: going through similar steps as described on the forum (download file, install headers, etc) |
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| 04:41.06 | dudeman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.30 | dudeman | uhm.. I doesn't die with -9 kill this process... |
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| 04:42.33 | dudeman | and iw won't start because it complains of another instance |
| 04:42.51 | dudeman | is there no way to kill this pid in D state |
| 04:43.06 | dudeman | Uninterruptible sleep |
| 04:44.54 | pseubodot | dmoerner: managed to compile fpi2002-0.5, but needed to create symlinks in the header dir for autoconf.h -> config.h |
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| 04:48.26 | amphi | dudeman: try kill -11 ;) |
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| 04:51.19 | mmlj4 | or kill -9 1 |
| 04:51.23 | dudeman | segv |
| 04:51.40 | dudeman | bash: kill: (1) - Operation not permitted |
| 04:51.50 | mmlj4 | lucky you |
| 04:52.11 | dudeman | sunovabitch |
| 04:52.18 | dudeman | ok rebooting |
| 04:52.21 | mmlj4 | now stop typing in commands you don't understand |
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| 04:54.21 | Bernstein229 | hi |
| 04:54.23 | Bernstein229 | is anyone on? |
| 04:54.41 | endra | Hey, suddenly I can't login to my machine via ssh. I get the following error: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
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| 04:54.57 | endra | Should I be worried? |
| 04:56.13 | liable | wrong key? |
| 04:56.33 | endra | No, it won't even ask me for password |
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| 04:58.04 | liable | did someone disable password auth? |
| 04:58.12 | endra | No |
| 04:58.38 | liable | looks like it |
| 04:59.38 | endra | No, no one has access to the machine other than myself |
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| 05:00.46 | endra | Is there a way to reboot it and see what's going on? |
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| 05:01.16 | Lukas___ | Hello, its posible to makea Debian installation small and fast like Puppy Linux ?? (dont mind server install its 400mb without X) |
| 05:01.31 | dudeman | mmlj4, well didn't have to reboot |
| 05:01.37 | liable | endra: thats a bit odd then |
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| 05:01.51 | dudeman | mmlj4, if you can't help more than half assed then don't try. |
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| 05:02.32 | dudeman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:03.34 | amphi | dudeman: you couldn't do kill -11 ? |
| 05:03.42 | dudeman | amphi, didn't do anything |
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| 05:03.58 | dudeman | I looked up what segv was, I didn't understand quite exactly why it wouln't work |
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| 05:04.10 | amphi | dudeman: oh, well; on occasion, it has killed things that kill -9 didn't |
| 05:04.22 | p1ngp0ng | hey fagots, check debian-offtopic. i think im on to something :P |
| 05:04.44 | dudeman | with a gay nick like ping pong you are calling us fags |
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| 05:04.52 | dudeman | thats funny |
| 05:05.11 | p1ngp0ng | fagots/guys/folks/peeps w/e dudeman. |
| 05:05.13 | Lukas___ | Hello, its posible to makea Debian installation small and fast like Puppy Linux ?? (dont mind server install its 400mb without X) |
| 05:05.36 | dudeman | hm |
| 05:05.38 | dudeman | !mmhr |
| 05:05.38 | dpkg | i guess mmhr is Meeting Minimum Hardware Requirments per Debian 4.0 i386 install guide <ig> at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 05:05.56 | dudeman | thats what you can I guess think of as a bare system |
| 05:06.09 | dudeman | the minimal req. I guess are for a base system |
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| 05:07.35 | dudeman | Lukas___, and not to mention you'd probably want to strip the kernel down to exactly what you need and not a stock debian kernel |
| 05:08.11 | Lukas___ | dudeman : I think in that but searching its supose just improve a few seconds |
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| 05:09.22 | dudeman | use aptitude -R or Apt::Install-Recommends false in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 05:20.38 | phretor | hi there |
| 05:21.32 | phretor | where do I find the `yaboot` boot loader binary file that is mentioned here? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch04s05.html.en#files-newworld |
| 05:22.07 | qq | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/y/yaboot/ |
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| 05:22.35 | phretor | qq: that's the (source) distribution |
| 05:23.07 | phretor | I mean that particular file, it is mentioned to be downlodable (quoting) "from the Debian archives" http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch04s05.html.en#files-newworld |
| 05:23.27 | phretor | I found vmlinux, initrd.gz, yaboot.conf but not yaboot |
| 05:24.00 | qq | on install cdrom? |
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| 05:27.38 | phretor | qq: I've tried to use it and placed it on the / of the Mac OS Extended volume, as explained in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch04s05.html.en#files-newworld - however, when I open the Open Firmware and type 0 > boot hd:0,yaboot |
| 05:27.41 | phretor | I get this error |
| 05:27.49 | phretor | DISK-LABEL: LOAD (noninterposed) not supportedload-size=0 adler32=1 - LOAD-SIZE is too small |
| 05:27.51 | phretor | any idea? |
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| 05:28.30 | micha_ | is there a way to use a external screen in init3 |
| 05:28.58 | micha_ | i managed in X using nvidia settings ... |
| 05:31.05 | qq | phretor: but NewWorld support booting from ISO9660 CD-ROM , why use yaboot ? |
| 05:32.14 | qq | after installing , the machine may boot directly from his hard disc |
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| 05:33.36 | qq | phretor: anyway tis doc is to old >>>dists/woody/main ... |
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| 05:34.05 | phretor | qq: because it does not boot from the CD |
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| 05:34.17 | phretor | qq: do you have any other suggestion? |
| 05:34.27 | qq | just pres C on boot |
| 05:34.47 | qq | with install cdrom in |
| 05:34.50 | phretor | qq: it does boot from the CD but it fails afterwhile - this is my mac http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/stats/imac_266.html |
| 05:35.38 | phretor | qq: I mean, it boots from the CD if I press `c` but when then I choose "boot: install" (or whatever I choose) it fails with the following error (hold on, I'll do it right now) |
| 05:38.47 | phretor | qq: the CD reader is somehow broken |
| 05:38.57 | phretor | and it randomly read or don't read |
| 05:39.07 | qq | use than floppies |
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| 05:42.26 | phretor | qq: it does not have a floppy unit |
| 05:42.44 | qq | normally it has |
| 05:42.59 | phretor | qq: it's a http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/stats/imac_266.html |
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| 05:43.19 | qq | ah no ,sorry |
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| 05:48.30 | phretor | qq: that's why I was trying to boot by the HD |
| 05:48.34 | qq | it has a IDE disc , if you have an other ppc you may extract it and install on that ones |
| 05:48.57 | phretor | qq: no, I don't |
| 05:49.17 | qq | ah, ok |
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| 05:49.29 | phretor | qq: I know it can be done this way |
| 05:49.38 | phretor | qq: but I cannot understand why it does not load |
| 05:51.12 | qq | have to use this branch >>> /images/powerpc/hd-media/ |
| 05:51.22 | phretor | qq: that's what I'm using |
| 05:53.10 | qq | bootx is installed ? |
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| 05:53.15 | PeterFA | dpkg, I love you. |
| 05:53.15 | dpkg | The feeling's not mutual |
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| 05:53.26 | PeterFA | dpkg, you suck! |
| 05:53.26 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 05:53.36 | phretor | isn't bootx supposed to be used on Old World Macs? |
| 05:53.37 | PeterFA | Resemble? |
| 05:54.48 | qq | ah, maybe ... |
| 05:55.04 | phretor | it's not compatible with NWM |
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| 06:14.04 | hatter | is volatile.debian.org an officially supported apt source ? |
| 06:14.28 | liable | i dont think its quite official |
| 06:14.33 | liable | !volatile |
| 06:14.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, volatile is a project that aims at keeping the stable distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.org/. An example line for your etch sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile etch/volatile main contrib non-free |
| 06:14.44 | hatter | ah |
| 06:14.49 | liable | see what their main page says |
| 06:14.55 | hatter | clamav breaks my exim4 |
| 06:15.04 | hatter | after a volatile update |
| 06:15.27 | liable | i dont know where you even reports bugs to. i guess they have a mailing list |
| 06:16.06 | hatter | perhaps its better to manually do things like clam and spamassassin |
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| 06:20.35 | billy12 | when i remove a .deb pkg it leaves all the config files, how do i force it delete everything it placed on my system |
| 06:21.42 | windowshasyou | sudo aptitude purge <packagename>? |
| 06:22.55 | billy12 | thnx, just what i wanted |
| 06:23.06 | windowshasyou | np |
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| 06:24.39 | billy12 | dam, when i try to remove/purge "torrentflux" it removes it, then installs it again |
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| 06:25.12 | nubbun | D-I can use LVM for volume management and nothing else, right? Does anyone recommend anything other than LVM? |
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| 06:27.53 | nubbun | billy12: forbid? |
| 06:28.12 | billy12 | nubbun: sorry, what? |
| 06:29.28 | nubbun | billy12: you can mark it 'forbidden' |
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| 06:29.55 | billy12 | nubbun: ooo, thnx, ill give it a try |
| 06:30.01 | nubbun | billy12: also check it's reverse depends. 'r' |
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| 06:32.05 | msshams | how can i find version of an installed application? |
| 06:32.14 | billy12 | dpkg -i |
| 06:32.15 | dpkg | billy12: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 06:32.21 | billy12 | dpkg -l |
| 06:32.21 | dpkg | billy12: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 06:32.32 | billy12 | sorry, l |
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| 06:33.21 | billy12 | dpkg: thnx, that site looks real good |
| 06:33.21 | dpkg | billy12: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 06:42.20 | patrick-- | Hey, my sudo is reporting a synax error on a line which i use in other sudo installations without a problem: |
| 06:42.23 | patrick-- | nagios ALL=(root)NOPASSWD: /usr/local/nagios/tw_cli.sh |
| 06:42.24 | patrick-- | any idea? |
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| 06:47.42 | _subzero_ | Hi! Has anyone used Citadel? I installed an official Debian package and I can't customize WebCit by placing files in static.local dir... |
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| 06:55.36 | liable | whats the vfat fs tools again? |
| 06:55.43 | liable | i'm having a brain fart |
| 06:56.10 | liable | nm |
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| 06:57.41 | phorce1 | liable: dosfstools |
| 06:57.41 | phorce1 | oh, I see the nm now |
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| 07:04.54 | morphir | how do I enable the experimental repository under lenny? |
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| 07:05.48 | nkuttler | morphir: /msg dpkg experimental |
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| 07:09.16 | morphir | that is fine, I know what packages I want |
| 07:09.45 | morphir | but I dont know what the url construct would look like |
| 07:09.59 | morphir | would it not be nice to have that automatically constructed? |
| 07:10.28 | morphir | ie. deb http://blah.tld experimental |
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| 07:25.05 | Nata-Oh | I have a problem with the bacula |
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| 07:29.02 | partii | how can i disable some startup programs like samba? |
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| 07:29.27 | dimir | update-rc.d |
| 07:29.31 | dimir | for example |
| 07:29.34 | nirupama | I have a bsnl external modem |
| 07:29.46 | nirupama | I am unable to connect to net through debian |
| 07:30.28 | dimir | partii: or sysvconfig |
| 07:33.33 | nkuttler | partii: or rcconf |
| 07:33.46 | karsten | partii: man update-rc.d, or remove the package if you don't need it. |
| 07:34.12 | partii | thx all |
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| 07:45.20 | Crypticfortune | hmmm, so lets say I want everything in directory /big/ascii/files to be compressed on the fly. what's the preferred way to do that? (I'm thinking longingly of zfs, but it looks like the zfs-fuse implementation only experimentally support compression right now) |
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| 07:51.59 | karsten | Crypticfortune: AFAIK there's a compression attribut (man chattr) available in a number of filesystems, but it's generally not implemented. |
| 07:52.38 | karsten | Crypticfortune: My SOP is to gzip the files and either rely on lesspipe for reading them through less & co, or just remember to zcat them before doing stuff. |
| 07:52.52 | karsten | Crypticfortune: How many files, how much compressed/uncompressed space? |
| 07:53.28 | Crypticfortune | karsten: ya, if wikipedia is to be trusted (Comparison_of_file_systems), it looks like reiser4 is my only choice |
| 07:55.16 | karsten | Crypticfortune: The question is, do you love your wife. |
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| 07:55.50 | Crypticfortune | karsten: well, at the moment I think it's about 20G compressed, 30GB uncompressed? but we're trying to salvage what we can out of a dead 1.5TB server, into a much smaller box, so compression would hopefully make this goal possible ^^ |
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| 07:56.10 | karsten | Crypticfortune: If you are managing this with say, a makefile or something, you could have a rule to compress the files when you update them. |
| 07:56.58 | karsten | Crypticfortune: Hrm. Last I checked disk was _really_ cheap. You're sweating over about $12.90 of storage, and that's laptop drives. |
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| 07:57.48 | karsten | Crypticfortune: That said: gzip is still probably your best bet. I generally see about 50% compression of standard ascii. More if it's tabular data or similar. |
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| 07:58.37 | Crypticfortune | nono, not on the 1.5TB end (still, $200-ish, whic is reasonable, but I'm trying to work with what we have available). |
| 07:59.20 | karsten | Crypticfortune: Yeah, I know. A couple of external drives + enclosure will set you back ~$350 or less. |
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| 08:00.10 | karsten | What I was referring to was the 20GB. Which is about $0.43/gb these days. |
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| 08:00.52 | karsten | For 3.5" drives it's about $0.12/GB, for 1TB drives. |
| 08:01.17 | karsten | continues to boggle at how cheap storage is. |
| 08:01.34 | Crypticfortune | ya i know. thank you Giant Magnetoresistance ^^ |
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| 08:07.16 | rd1089 | hi, is there any way to get a list of all active ip address on my local network? a tool maybe |
| 08:07.37 | Crypticfortune | rd1089: nmap -sP 192.168.0.0/24 |
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| 08:07.57 | karsten | rd1089: broadcast ping for your local loop. nmap ping scan for an arbitrary netblock/IP block. |
| 08:08.39 | karsten | rd1089: Crypticfortune Just showed you the latter. |
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| 08:09.26 | rd1089 | Crypticfortune, karsten - thanks guys. that command worked |
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| 08:09.51 | her9q3f | Hello I have just inserted this new card -- Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5416 802.11abgn Wireless PCI Adapter (rev 01) |
| 08:09.54 | her9q3f | Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5416 802.11abgn Wireless PCI Adapter (rev 01) |
| 08:10.38 | her9q3f | can someone point me in the right direction for getting it working? |
| 08:11.00 | karsten | !atheros |
| 08:11.00 | dpkg | Atheros Communications is a developer of semiconductors. Ask me about <madwifi> for stable wireless chipset drivers, <ath5k> or <ath9k> for wireless drivers under development. Ask me about <atl1> or <atl2> for Ethernet adapter drivers. |
| 08:11.19 | karsten | her9q3f: That should be well supprted. I think madwifi is your best bet. |
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| 08:11.37 | Crypticfortune | karsten: hmm i didn't know things actually responded to broadcast pings (only a fraction of the boxes on my local net do (like the lenny box i'm on now doesn't)). interesting though... |
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| 08:12.01 | karsten | Crypticfortune: It seems to be hit or miss for me as well, but in theory they should. |
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| 08:20.40 | E-bola | where can i find a huide on upgrading lenny to sid? |
| 08:20.57 | et | dpkg: sid upgrade |
| 08:20.57 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
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| 08:21.22 | nkuttler | E-bola: man sources.list, man aptitude |
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| 08:21.49 | E-bola | et: this is a test, and sid is the only one that has the package i need |
| 08:22.09 | et | no reason to "upgrade" |
| 08:22.12 | et | just backport |
| 08:22.24 | nkuttler | E-bola: /msg dpkg backport |
| 08:22.27 | E-bola | no reason to backport, this is just a proof of concept |
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| 08:22.47 | Gast_295_ | http://www.meine-privaten-nacktvideos.net?id=4812552 |
| 08:22.52 | nkuttler | tss |
| 08:22.59 | nkuttler | !ops Gast_295_ |
| 08:22.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nkuttler complains about: Gast_295_ |
| 08:23.06 | et | Gast_295_: you need a / before the ? |
| 08:23.08 | E-bola | Just trying to setup zoneminder as simple as possible |
| 08:23.15 | et | E-bola: then backport |
| 08:23.31 | et | doesn't get simpler then that |
| 08:23.34 | E-bola | et: you mean manualy backport the package? |
| 08:23.52 | et | what is "manual" about it? |
| 08:24.07 | nkuttler | E-bola: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 08:24.29 | tote | if i want to setup a raid1+encryption on two disks and use two partitions: root and home, do i need a seperate /boot partition? |
| 08:24.37 | E-bola | hmm k |
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| 08:25.12 | Crypticfortune | tote: if you want to use grub, yes (i think) |
| 08:25.34 | Crypticfortune | tote: if you're ok with lilo only, then no (again, never tried it, but i believe that's how it works) |
| 08:26.47 | tote | Crypticfortune: do i create the boot partition on every disk? and not raiding it? or raiding it but no encryption? |
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| 08:27.50 | Gast_314_ | http://www.meine-privaten-nacktvideos.net?id=4812552 |
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| 08:30.38 | Crypticfortune | tote: having not tried it, I'm not sure. theoretically it seems like it should be possible to raid it (although my understanding is you can't encrypt it (and still expect grub to work)) |
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| 08:31.01 | Lagbolt | yeah you been a boot part for grub |
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| 08:32.21 | tote | Lagbolt: on every disk or on the raid or on the encryption? :) |
| 08:32.30 | Crypticfortune | Lagbolt: but if he put it into his raid1, would it still work as a mirrored device? (it seems like there's lots of chances for that to break something, so i'm not sure...) |
| 08:33.08 | Crypticfortune | tote: we're talking about a software raid1 via mdadm, right? |
| 08:33.26 | tote | software raid yes, and if debian installer is using mdadm so yes :9 |
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| 08:33.55 | Lagbolt | tote, you only need a boot part on one drive and it doesnt matter which, however if the only drives you are using are the raid you might make a /boot on both |
| 08:34.00 | Lagbolt | so if one fails you can boot off the other |
| 08:34.08 | Internat | so.. i cannot for the life of me get the lenny usb install to work |
| 08:34.19 | Internat | it boots from the usb drive.. which has the netinstall iso on it. |
| 08:34.29 | jon_ | grub? |
| 08:34.31 | Internat | but it then says it cant load any kernel modules and fails.. |
| 08:34.44 | tote | Lagbolt: ok, whats a normal size for a boot partition? :) |
| 08:34.52 | Lagbolt | tote, 100MB is more than enough |
| 08:34.54 | Internat | like i get the gui and everything, i can tell it to search the drive for images etc, but get nothing.. |
| 08:35.03 | Lagbolt | tote, all it holds are the kern images/modules and grub |
| 08:35.31 | Lagbolt | tote, http://www.howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch |
| 08:35.32 | jon_ | Internat: so the installer is there? |
| 08:35.33 | Lagbolt | read this |
| 08:35.39 | tote | Lagbolt: ok thanks |
| 08:35.49 | Lagbolt | no prob |
| 08:35.49 | Internat | yep it loads the installer, gets to the menu.. |
| 08:36.02 | Internat | sas it cant load any kernel modules.. do i want to search for a installer disk.. i click yes |
| 08:36.07 | jon_ | and then it can't find itself |
| 08:36.13 | Internat | it searches the usb drive etc, but cant find the file |
| 08:36.27 | Lagbolt | Internat, where did you get this bootable usb installer |
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| 08:36.57 | jon_ | so your original statement that it cant' boot is not correct... it is booting, but failing after that |
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| 08:38.46 | Internat | http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
| 08:39.23 | Internat | can grub be told to boot an iso? |
| 08:39.32 | jon_ | oh, I dont' think boot.img has the installer |
| 08:39.37 | Internat | no it doesnt |
| 08:39.57 | jon_ | I think so, if the iso has a boot sector |
| 08:39.59 | Internat | but i zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb; mount /dev/sdb /mnt; cp netinstall.iso /mnt |
| 08:40.30 | jon_ | oh, no, that's not how you write the iso |
| 08:41.00 | simonrvn | um |
| 08:41.16 | Internat | write what iso? |
| 08:41.20 | jon_ | or why are you copying the iso there? |
| 08:41.20 | Internat | its a usb disk |
| 08:41.37 | jon_ | oh, you want to mount and boot that |
| 08:41.56 | Internat | well either would work really |
| 08:42.08 | jon_ | I see what you want, dunno if you can do it that way or not |
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| 08:42.29 | jon_ | I assume you don't have a cdrom? |
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| 08:42.42 | her2r23 | Hey, I have had a look at !hcl and google but no real answers. Does anyone know if this usb wireless card (netgear , model WN111 version 2) is supported? |
| 08:43.45 | tote | Lagbolt: if i understood that guide and converted the idea behind it to debian installer, i should raid the boot partition in debian installer? |
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| 08:43.56 | jon_ | Internat: so maybe you can pxe-install |
| 08:44.04 | Internat | cdrom is playing up.. |
| 08:44.12 | Internat | i dont know what is doing it, but it wont go from the cd |
| 08:44.18 | fk | hi, i have 20 boxes running xp with a shared folder on one of them. i am constantly having difficulties because xp has a limit of the number of connections , i would like to replace it with linux. can i ask what is the meanimum hardware requirements for a debian server if 20 boxes will access it simultaniously. it will also be used as a work station at the same time |
| 08:44.27 | Lagbolt | tote, yeah you want the boot to be a mirror so if one drive fails everything is mirrored including boot |
| 08:44.59 | jon_ | internat what kind of machine is this? |
| 08:45.11 | Internat | amd, 5200+ |
| 08:45.54 | jon_ | and the cdrom drive is having some kind of problem? |
| 08:46.08 | tote | Lagbolt: ok :) |
| 08:46.14 | Internat | yeah somethings fubared there. |
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| 08:47.40 | neuro_damage | I don't have to have MX records for receiving email right? |
| 08:47.49 | neuro_damage | just as long as there is a DNS entry pointing to my machine? |
| 08:48.27 | jon_ | so you wrote the boot.img to the usb... |
| 08:48.40 | jon_ | and you were able to mount the usb volume? |
| 08:48.56 | Internat | yup |
| 08:49.08 | jon_ | I wonder if this would work... |
| 08:49.26 | jon_ | can you copy the image to somewhere other than the usb thing |
| 08:49.31 | tote | hm, how can i reset all my selections in the partition part of debian installer? |
| 08:52.01 | tote | it says i cant delete the md devices because they are in use :/ |
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| 08:55.14 | strawks | Does anybody has got the audio through hdmi to work on a Dell XPS M1530 (or 1330)? |
| 08:55.57 | strawks | aplay -l only list the analog output, no digital (chip is an STAC92xx) |
| 08:56.11 | strawks | I'm using the latest stock kernel from unstable |
| 08:56.46 | strawks | btw, analog output works fine (even 6 channels through 3 jacks) |
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| 08:58.01 | E-bola | hmmm how can zoneminder in sid depend on a php5 version 5.2.6-4 when there's only 5.2.6-3 availeble in the most typical architecture? (i386) |
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| 09:06.21 | tote | Lagbolt: i shouldnt encrypt the md device i shall use for /boot right? |
| 09:06.34 | Lagbolt | right |
| 09:06.57 | Lagbolt | tote, make two raid1 devices, one for boot not crpyted and other for / |
| 09:07.22 | Lagbolt | are you encrypting everything? / or just /home |
| 09:07.31 | dubphil | Hello, I have done a fresh install of debian etch and apply a backup on it to obtain my fully fonctionnal server, everything is working like a charm except vim that doesn't seem to accept the "syntax on" command anymore does I have removed and re-install vim but nothing plays, any idea ? |
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| 09:08.11 | tote | Lagbolt: everything |
| 09:08.22 | Fallou7 | I have a question concerning vhosts with apache2 in debian distros. :/ |
| 09:08.45 | Lagbolt | tote, then yeah 2 raid devices. one a pair of 100MB /boot non crpyted then the rest in second device |
| 09:08.49 | Fallou7 | Anybody have knowledge concerning this with sites-available and sites-enabled |
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| 09:09.25 | tote | Lagbolt: well i splitted / and /home into two raid devices, nothing and then a third 100mb /boot |
| 09:09.29 | tote | nothing wrong with that? |
| 09:09.54 | Lagbolt | so 2 encrypted for / and /home? |
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| 09:10.04 | tote | yes |
| 09:10.14 | E-bola | Can you go from a debian on i386 to AMD64 if your cpu/mobo supports it? How woudl i go about making this change? |
| 09:10.14 | dubphil | it looks like vim-tiny is installed by default now on etch, is there a way to remove it ? aptitude remove vim-tiny does nothind |
| 09:10.19 | Lagbolt | tote, the way i do mine, 100mb /boot then a single encrpyted drive that holds an LVM that has / /home and swap |
| 09:10.42 | Lagbolt | it makes resizing the parts inside the crpyted drive easy with the lvm if you want to resize them |
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| 09:10.50 | Lagbolt | otherwise what you are doing is fine |
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| 09:11.13 | maddy | i have installed tomcat on my debian system but cant able to run tomcat |
| 09:11.36 | jon_ | maddy: why? |
| 09:11.49 | maddy | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.25 | Fallou7 | Is it required with apache2 to use the sites-enabled and sites-available on a debian box, or can I use a single file with all the vhosts defined such as vhosts.conf etc etc...? |
| 09:12.47 | tote | Lagbolt: got no need to resize them later, so lvm is not needed i guess :) |
| 09:14.18 | maddy | jon_, have you tried to install tomcat on debian?? |
| 09:14.50 | jon_ | I think I might have, and gotten it to work |
| 09:15.47 | jon_ | what I'm not understanding is why not just install the package |
| 09:17.11 | maddy | jon_, do you have any related document of what you have tried and got succed?? |
| 09:17.14 | craigevil | maddy: http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-setup-apache-tomcat-55-on-debian-etch.html |
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| 09:17.52 | jon_ | no but craigevil does :) |
| 09:18.04 | craigevil | no i just know how to google |
| 09:18.21 | craigevil | tomcat debian setup doh |
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| 09:19.42 | jon_ | I probably built it from scratch and started it |
| 09:20.01 | jon_ | I can't recall right now |
| 09:21.54 | maddy | cracraigevil: i will try now, and let you know the results |
| 09:22.11 | petemc | Fallou7: you're free to use it any way you please, provided you have the know how |
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| 09:26.51 | jon_ | maddy: and maybe he wants to hear your results... but remember that all he did was give you a url from a search |
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| 09:34.38 | maddy | jon_, when im trying to open the link http://localhost:8180, it is not opening |
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| 09:35.13 | maddy | craigevil, when im trying to open the link http://localhost:8180, it is not opening |
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| 09:35.39 | jon_ | maddy: telnet localhost 8180 |
| 09:35.48 | craigevil | maddy: i havent a clue, ive never installed apache i just found the google link |
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| 09:35.59 | maddy | craigevil, ok |
| 09:36.04 | wfq | hi guys |
| 09:36.10 | dudeman | hi wfq |
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| 09:37.28 | wfq | I am having problems when trying to install whatever on my debian testing box. The apt remains saying waiting for headers 99% but it never gets trhough... http://dpaste.com/80649/ |
| 09:38.16 | wfq | I have changed the sources but I still get the same problem |
| 09:38.20 | tosse | anyone know what cpu i should select for kernel optimization for an intel atom cpu? |
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| 09:38.45 | jon_ | maddy: telnet localhost 8180 |
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| 09:39.52 | maddy | jon_, when i gave that address it opening a openDns page |
| 09:40.29 | maddy | jon_, can you give the address correctly?? |
| 09:40.40 | jon_ | so what happens when you telnet localhost 8180? |
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| 09:41.45 | maddy | jon_, http://telnet.localhost:8180/ is it correct?? |
| 09:42.01 | jon_ | no, type exactly what I said to a shell |
| 09:42.10 | jon_ | telnet localhost 8180 |
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| 09:42.49 | her2r23 | karsten: thanks I have it working now |
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| 09:44.50 | jon_ | can't wait for you to respond... if it's going to be this long between responses, I'm out |
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| 09:45.56 | maddy | jon_, it is saying Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 09:46.09 | jon_ | ahh, so: it is not running |
| 09:46.26 | jon_ | so now, you have to find out why it's not running |
| 09:47.07 | jon_ | how would you do that... is there a log? |
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| 09:47.53 | maddy | jon_, i have tried for 8080 it is saying Connection closed by foreign host. |
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| 09:48.43 | petemc | maddy: if you struggle to check whether something is listening on a particular port, you're going to find tomcat really hard work |
| 09:49.32 | maddy | jon_, yes we have to see the catalina logs |
| 09:49.42 | maddy | petemc: ok |
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| 09:50.48 | jon_ | so 8080 is open but 8180 is not? |
| 09:51.06 | jon_ | does your helper document say 8180? |
| 09:51.08 | maddy | jon_, yes |
| 09:51.41 | maddy | jon_, yes 8180 |
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| 09:52.01 | jon_ | ok, it seems like you have something on 8080 according to what you're saying |
| 09:52.03 | maddy | jon_, but i thibk by default it takes 8080 |
| 09:52.20 | jon_ | can you verify that? |
| 09:52.32 | maddy | jon_, yaa |
| 09:52.41 | jon_ | that your present tomcat as configured is on 8080? |
| 09:54.56 | jon_ | so let's see (talking to myself here, trying to remember) tomcat is a container for java servlets, and it's a web server? |
| 09:55.57 | maddy | jon_, yes it configured on 8080 |
| 09:58.12 | wfq | guys, does anyone know what I could do with this problem please? http://dpaste.com/80649/ |
| 09:58.25 | wfq | it seems to be is bug |
| 09:59.15 | jelly | wfq: that usually means network issues, not a bug |
| 09:59.53 | wfq | jelly, but the internet connection works because I just downloaded a file via using wget |
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| 10:00.13 | wfq | jelly, and I have tried to use various repositories but still the same problem |
| 10:00.18 | jelly | wfq: did you download it from one of your configured debian mirrors? |
| 10:01.08 | wfq | jelly, not, I did not. I just use wget with other url but as I said I have tried several sources from different countries |
| 10:01.42 | wfq | and I get the same problem |
| 10:01.43 | maddy | jon_, in logs the error is File does not exist: /var/www/apache2-default |
| 10:02.02 | tote | if i change something to grub/menu.lst, do i need to do something for that change to work? |
| 10:02.30 | jelly | wfq: it still doesn't mean much. You might have a proxy configured in /etc/apt/apt.conf. Your ISP might be throttling the connections they deem suspicious. |
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| 10:02.58 | wfq | jelly hmmmmm... that sounds logic |
| 10:03.58 | wfq | jelly, but what can I do then with that? |
| 10:05.22 | jelly | wfq: try downloading a large file from security.d.o or ftp.se.debian.org, if it doesn't work, you'll have to figure out your network problem |
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| 10:07.19 | wfq | jelly, just doing that when you said and I have realized that I can't if I try by the browser from the debian system, however if I try from the macbook (the laptop that I am now using to type in here) I am able |
| 10:07.32 | wfq | hang on |
| 10:07.45 | wfq | that sounds like someone has blocked me by the router |
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| 10:08.17 | jelly | wfq: or your router and your linux have mutually incompatible networking settings |
| 10:08.42 | wfq | jelly, not, I used wget from there and it works fine |
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| 10:09.03 | wfq | that looks like for my linux server, someone blocked ftp connections |
| 10:09.21 | jelly | wfq: you seem to be using http, not ftp. |
| 10:09.47 | wfq | sorry, I meant http |
| 10:09.55 | wfq | I will use lynx |
| 10:09.58 | wfq | to check |
| 10:10.20 | wfq | yes definitely |
| 10:10.31 | wfq | lynx http://www.google.es fails |
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| 10:12.14 | neuro_damage | in my sources.list what mirrors can I use for debian security? |
| 10:12.21 | ||arifaX | Hi, I installed Etch on my HP6715b notebook with kernel 2.6.18-6-k7 smp i686. enabled cpu scaling (loaded powernow-k7 and related) scaling works but under gnome showing processor frequency only shows one cpu but I have a Turion X2 64. Is the kernel just too old? Wanted to use debian this time not *buntus |
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| 10:13.50 | Lagbolt | what do you mean only shows one? what about in /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 10:15.23 | neuro_damage | wow, so doesn't matter what mirror I'm using I can't seem to do an apt-get update |
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| 10:15.28 | neuro_damage | after I have changed sources.list |
| 10:15.41 | wfq | jelly, thank you very much for your help, it was a router problem |
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| 10:15.47 | wfq | I was being blocked |
| 10:15.50 | wfq | :) |
| 10:15.54 | jelly | cheers |
| 10:18.00 | Madsy | I just installed xorg and fluxbox, and the mouse sensitivity is really slow. `xset m` has no effect. This is an old laptop with a mousepad. Any ideas on how to change the sensitivity? |
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| 10:20.46 | rm | ||arifaX, check /proc/cpuinfo as was already said, and for the frequency - I don't think Turion can change it per core like Phenoms, so it should be OK to monitor just one core's frequency |
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| 10:22.52 | KovUSB | wtf is starting KDE from a USB drive so SLOOOOOOOOW? |
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| 10:23.10 | KovUSB | it takes so long in "Starting System Services" even the splash screen gives up waiting... |
| 10:23.26 | KovUSB | if I look at top, there is nothing on 'wa', so it is not because of the bandwidth |
| 10:24.14 | ||arifaX | rm, what should I check for. but you could be right because changing is only valid on whole cpu kernel might only show one? |
| 10:24.14 | KovUSB | also, if I look at htop process tree, kdeinit stays for a long while doing nothing until it finally starts kbuildsycoca and then the desktop processes |
| 10:24.40 | KovUSB | the usb key has a led that flashes whenever there is activity, and it stays unlit for a long time too... |
| 10:24.53 | KovUSB | and when I click on the kmenu, kicker locks up |
| 10:25.33 | rm | ||arifaX, in a command-line run cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 10:26.00 | ||arifaX | rm did that |
| 10:26.28 | rm | and check if you have two sections of identical information, one per core |
| 10:26.28 | ||arifaX | rm It shows processor: 0 |
| 10:26.31 | Lagbolt | ||arifaX, that will show each cpu and the frequency it is running at |
| 10:26.38 | ||arifaX | rm only shows one |
| 10:26.49 | Lagbolt | ||arifaX, only 0? hmm and you have a turion? |
| 10:26.54 | rm | it should also have "processor: 1" and a repeat of everything |
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| 10:26.58 | ||arifaX | Lagbolt yes |
| 10:27.21 | ||arifaX | it shows AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-62 |
| 10:27.29 | Lagbolt | what kernel do you have installed? |
| 10:27.45 | Lagbolt | what does "uname -a" show |
| 10:27.50 | KovUSB | I'm gonna have to log out... I'll try to boot on a computer on college and try to connect here again |
| 10:27.55 | ||arifaX | Lagbolt 2.6.18-6-k7 #1 SMP |
| 10:28.13 | Lagbolt | ||arifaX, look through output of "dmesg" for cpu info |
| 10:28.24 | ||arifaX | Lagbolt I want to run 32bit even it is amd64 |
| 10:28.40 | Lagbolt | ||arifaX, that is fine, i do the same on my turion |
| 10:30.14 | ||arifaX | dmesg shows 1 cpu and the info "Brought up 1 CPUs" |
| 10:30.34 | Lagbolt | ||arifaX, that is troublesome |
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| 10:30.54 | rm | look for NR_CPUS, or do grep NR_CPUS |
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| 10:31.04 | rm | dmesg | grep NR_CPUS |
| 10:31.13 | ||arifaX | Lagbolt it also shows a string "CPU o(2) -> Core 0 and strang is it shows "Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0" |
| 10:31.31 | ||arifaX | Lagbolt its amd not intel? |
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| 10:32.05 | ||arifaX | Lagbolt ist there a kind of pastebin for this channel so I could post it? |
| 10:32.12 | Lagbolt | ||arifaX, yeh i have that too |
| 10:32.15 | Lagbolt | pastebin.com |
| 10:32.18 | Lagbolt | !pastebin |
| 10:32.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 10:32.23 | wols | ||arifaX: in /proc/cpuinfo do you have "processor: 0" and "processor: 1"? |
| 10:32.44 | ||arifaX | should switch to the notebook for irc to be able to use copy/paste, gimme a second |
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| 10:33.03 | Lagbolt | ||arifaX, pastebin your dmesg and /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 10:37.44 | ||arifaX_ | Lagbolt, its now there: http://pastebin.com/d2f0c1984 |
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| 10:38.35 | Lagbolt | hmm brought up 1 cpu :( have you ever seen both cpus working? possible you have a bad cpu? |
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| 10:39.06 | Lagbolt | might try a newer kern? maybe there is an issue with the tl-62? |
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| 10:39.33 | ||arifaX | Lagbolt so I have to change sources.list right? - what to change? |
| 10:39.43 | rm | # |
| 10:39.44 | rm | SMP motherboard not detected. |
| 10:39.44 | rm | # |
| 10:39.44 | rm | Brought up 1 CPUs |
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| 10:40.01 | rm | so basically, SMP motherboard not detected. |
| 10:40.12 | rm | try a newer kernel |
| 10:40.15 | Lagbolt | ||arifaX, yeah so might be hardware compat |
| 10:40.22 | Lagbolt | ||arifaX, use backports for newer kern |
| 10:40.25 | Lagbolt | !backports |
| 10:40.26 | dpkg | backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 10:41.17 | Lagbolt | ||arifaX, do you know what motherboard you have? or what is the model of your computer? |
| 10:42.13 | ||arifaX | Lagbolt its and HP 6715b notebook with AMD Turion XP 64 and ATI X1250 mobile |
| 10:42.53 | Lagbolt | ||arifaX, found it |
| 10:42.56 | Lagbolt | http://www.linlap.com/wiki/HP-Compaq+6715B |
| 10:43.08 | Lagbolt | The second core does not work in the etch 2.6.18 kernel. No problems just newer versions needed: Dual cores work using the etch 2.6.22 backported kernel from www.backports.org |
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| 10:43.45 | ||arifaX | Lagbolt had this page open but overread it. thanks :) |
| 10:43.57 | Lagbolt | no prob. |
| 10:44.15 | Lukemob | hi, if there is a already binded something on port 1111, how to kill it? there is no process shown is "ps ux" which could use this port |
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| 10:47.22 | ||arifaX | Lagbolt I added the backports, then apt-get update then "aptitude -t echt-backports search kernel" but did not present others so just use the same from backports and should work? |
| 10:47.49 | Lagbolt | did not present? |
| 10:48.02 | rm | not echt, but etch |
| 10:48.10 | rm | also, not kernel, but "linux-image" |
| 10:48.12 | ||arifaX | rm mistyped just on irc |
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| 10:48.31 | Lagbolt | ||arifaX, apt-cache search linux-image |
| 10:48.35 | ||arifaX | rm ahhh |
| 10:48.52 | ||arifaX | which one should I take |
| 10:49.23 | Lagbolt | ||arifaX, what are your options? |
| 10:49.37 | Lagbolt | install linux-image-2.6-686 <-- |
| 10:50.04 | ||arifaX | Lagbolt so no k7? |
| 10:50.24 | rm | Turion has nothing to do with K7 |
| 10:50.30 | ||arifaX | I see |
| 10:50.31 | Lagbolt | ||arifaX, k7 is no more . . . 686 |
| 10:51.54 | ||arifaX | Lagbolt all 686 show PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 int he information ist that really right for AMD Turion |
| 10:52.14 | wols | Lagbolt: of course dual cores do |
| 10:52.27 | wols | Lagbolt: with 2.6 18 that is |
| 10:52.39 | wols | ||arifaX: yes it is |
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| 10:53.37 | wols | !tell ||arifaX about k7 dropped |
| 10:54.49 | ||arifaX_ | Lagbolt, could you take a look at http://pastebin.com/dfb45e3a and post me which to choose, sorry to bother you |
| 10:55.11 | ||arifaX | have no clue if bigmem or etchnhalf or smp or what |
| 10:55.25 | enouf | Lagbolt: why .22 ? as wols mentioned .18 works fine, why not the .24 from etchnhalf? |
| 10:55.34 | wols | arcsky: no of them |
| 10:55.35 | Lagbolt | enouf, 22 was just a post on a site |
| 10:55.35 | enouf | all are SMP |
| 10:55.42 | Lagbolt | enouf, point is he needed newer than 18 |
| 10:55.43 | wols | ||arifaX: ^^ |
| 10:55.45 | enouf | except for -486 |
| 10:55.48 | wols | Lagbolt: wrong |
| 10:55.52 | Lagbolt | wrong? |
| 10:55.56 | wols | yes wrong |
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| 10:55.59 | Lagbolt | wols, how so |
| 10:56.19 | wols | Lagbolt: all etch kernel are dual core capable except -486. ALL of them |
| 10:56.34 | enouf | you don't need -bigmem if using 4GB or less of RAM |
| 10:56.40 | Lagbolt | wols, yes but his motherboard is the problem |
| 10:56.49 | Lagbolt | wols, his MB doesnt load SMP with the 19 |
| 10:56.50 | Lagbolt | 18 |
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| 10:56.59 | Lagbolt | posted on a site from a guy with same laptop |
| 10:57.04 | rm | ||arifaX, install linux-image-2.6.26-bpo.1-686 |
| 10:57.05 | Lagbolt | has nothing to do with cpu |
| 10:57.13 | blunted | how do i figure out what sound card iceweasel is trying to use |
| 10:57.20 | enouf | if you disable something like ACPI, sure, you'll lose a core |
| 10:57.21 | blunted | and or change it to the one that im using |
| 10:57.24 | wols | rm: bad choice. if anything he should use the 2.6.24 etchnhalf kernel |
| 10:57.34 | rm | wols, why bad? |
| 10:58.03 | wols | rm: no support. bpo is a last resort only |
| 10:58.03 | rm | hum, ic |
| 10:58.04 | Lagbolt | etchnhalf should do it |
| 10:58.11 | wols | blunted: run it from a terminal, check for outputs |
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| 10:58.23 | blunted | oh yeah i didnt think of that |
| 10:58.30 | blunted | should have |
| 10:58.36 | enouf | blunted: well, .. that's a misnomer - do as root lsof | egrep 'esd|arts|flash|firefox' |
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| 10:59.29 | blunted | hm actually before i do all that |
| 10:59.38 | blunted | i'll just plug some headphones into the other card |
| 11:00.08 | enouf | maybe add 'pulse' and 'jack' to that list |
| 11:00.25 | ||arifaX | Lagbolt so from my list it is "linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf" or "linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-" - sorry for asking that much for an answer that is so simple for you |
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| 11:01.01 | Lagbolt | ||arifaX, linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf i assume, i dont have the sources |
| 11:01.10 | Lagbolt | wols, which would you reco for him? |
| 11:01.10 | enouf | the former is a metapkg |
| 11:01.23 | Rouzbeh | I accidently removed /var directory !!! is there a way to recover it or i have to reinstall ? |
| 11:01.38 | enouf | install the latter |
| 11:01.58 | enouf | no issues should arise, unless you already upgraded to Lenny O_o |
| 11:02.19 | Rouzbeh | i get alot of errors after booting |
| 11:02.29 | blunted | oh man |
| 11:02.36 | blunted | i bet i just disconnected myself |
| 11:02.45 | Rouzbeh | it complains about directories which don't exist anymore in /var |
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| 11:05.46 | ||arifaX | Lagbolt it worked - thank you all for your help! |
| 11:05.53 | Lagbolt | ||arifaX, welcome |
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| 11:06.28 | strk | wodim: No such file or directory. |
| 11:06.30 | strk | Cannot open SCSI driver! |
| 11:06.38 | strk | running 'cdrecord /dev/scd0 ....' |
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| 11:06.52 | strk | I could mount /dev/scd0 usin mount, so I know it's there |
| 11:08.21 | enouf | wodim -scanbus |
| 11:08.24 | wols | Lagbolt: 2.6.24 |
| 11:08.26 | enouf | try as root |
| 11:09.04 | strk | enouf: Oops, typo in device name (really typed /dev/sdc0) |
| 11:09.08 | enouf | strk: is your user part of 'cdrom' and 'audio' groups? and 'whereis wodim' |
| 11:09.11 | wols | Rouzbeh: restore from backup or reinstall. /var houses your debian package db |
| 11:09.16 | strk | but now, with the correct device: |
| 11:09.17 | enouf | strk: yep :-P |
| 11:09.20 | strk | SCSI buffer size: 0 |
| 11:09.20 | strk | wodim: No such file or directory. Cannot get SCSI I/O buffer. |
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| 11:09.39 | strk | yes, I can read it |
| 11:09.39 | enouf | strk: ls -l /dev/scd0 |
| 11:09.50 | strk | brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2004-01-01 01:31 /dev/scd0 |
| 11:10.01 | strk | uid=1001(strk) gid=1001(strk) groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),40(src),44(video),1001(strk),1002(extra),1006(family) |
| 11:10.05 | enouf | so, which kernel ? |
| 11:10.11 | strk | Linux xtops 2.6.7 #10 Mon Jan 2 18:49:55 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:10.18 | enouf | O_O |
| 11:11.27 | enouf | try as root man - and read this http://lwn.net/Articles/193516/ - or upgrade ;-) |
| 11:11.32 | strk | enouf: so, wodim not ready ? |
| 11:11.45 | enouf | strk: what's with 2.6.7 ? |
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| 11:12.01 | strk | I'm trying to burn the ISO for a new install after a system crash, so I'd rather not destibilize the machine that *works* :) |
| 11:12.11 | enouf | strk: debain didn't even have one :-P we had 2.6.8 on Sarge (or 2.4.27) |
| 11:12.19 | strk | enouf: with 2.6.7 is that when I tried something else I couldn't boot.... that's all |
| 11:12.27 | strk | a long story |
| 11:12.44 | strk | all my LILO entries are named something like: experimental, testing, custom, rescue |
| 11:12.55 | strk | there's no "stable" kernel for me to rest in peace :) |
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| 11:13.15 | vega] | hello guys, is there some kind of benchmark program that you can recommend? A debian installation i use is is running like syrup, and i can't pin point what it is that is making it so slow. |
| 11:13.25 | strk | will 2.6.16 do better ? (I have that on the desktop computer) |
| 11:13.35 | enouf | yes |
| 11:13.45 | strk | I'll try there then, thanks |
| 11:13.55 | enouf | but from 2.6.8 -> 2.6.16 ws serious hotplug and udev changes |
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| 11:15.32 | strk | serios enough to stop workin on this laptop it seems :P [ I promise I'll try again when I've another machine stabily runnin ] |
| 11:15.36 | wols | vega]: what does top say? |
| 11:15.38 | enouf | vega]: vmstat, dd, cp, etc - also see lbs.sourceforge.net - look at top/htop, free, ps aux, etc |
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| 11:16.55 | Posterdati | hi |
| 11:17.22 | Posterdati | please I got a problem with cups and canon iP2000, printer stops before printing... |
| 11:17.52 | Posterdati | then is not possible add an usb printer from kde control panel |
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| 11:33.34 | kottlett | hi! I got a message in the log just saying: "kernel: rip 0x2af251f8111b" - no stack trace, no error message. what does it mean? |
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| 11:35.00 | doublehp | is << cdrecord dev=`ls /dev/cdrom* | head -n1` -tao -driveropts=burnfree -overburn -eject gracetime=2 -v "$1" >> apropriate to burn an ISO ? is diff appropriate to check it ? |
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| 11:36.48 | BartVB | Can anyone tell me what the hottest HTTP of the moment is? :D I would really like to use a (software) loadbalancer that uses actual load on the nodes to balance and which can first fill up one server and then the next with requests or use a 'spare' server only when one the normal pool isn't sufficient to services all requests. |
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| 11:37.13 | BartVB | eeh, s/HTTP/HTTP Loadbalancer/ |
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| 11:37.18 | BartVB | needs more coffee |
| 11:37.37 | Raylz | hi, ekiga is totally bugged |
| 11:37.41 | Raylz | in lenny |
| 11:37.45 | Posterdati | fixed! |
| 11:37.55 | petemc | doublehp: cdrecord is now wodim |
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| 11:38.05 | Raylz | i havent found any bug req though |
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| 11:38.21 | petemc | doublehp: and md5sum is the usual method for checking isos |
| 11:38.45 | doublehp | petemc: compare md5 on ISO and on CD drive ? |
| 11:38.54 | petemc | right |
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| 11:39.55 | abrotman | Raylz: you can file a bug if it fails to work as advertised |
| 11:40.24 | Raylz | abrotman: the problem is that i works sometimes |
| 11:40.33 | abrotman | i'll let your boss know |
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| 11:41.08 | abrotman | Raylz: can you make it fail when you want? is it repeatable? |
| 11:41.13 | abrotman | okay then ... |
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| 11:46.22 | harpal | How can I know that frox is listening on which interface? or ip address? |
| 11:47.47 | wols | harpal: netstat -plunt |
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| 11:52.53 | linuxboy | I want to run "dpkg --get-selections > somefile" before my backup run. Where should I write this file to ? |
| 11:53.02 | harpal | wols: Thanks |
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| 11:54.21 | petemc | linuxboy: anywhere you please |
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| 11:54.56 | linuxboy | petemc: where is the correct place to store it ? |
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| 11:55.03 | JPT | i think he wants to know how to use this file in order to reconstruct the system |
| 11:55.07 | petemc | linuxboy: there isnt one |
| 11:55.11 | JPT | i would want to know that, too xD |
| 11:55.41 | linuxboy | petemc: what about /var/backups ? |
| 11:55.45 | petemc | go for it |
| 11:56.35 | linuxboy | so there isn't a place for that type of stuff? |
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| 11:56.49 | petemc | what type of stuff? |
| 11:56.58 | linuxboy | 13:52 < linuxboy> I want to run "dpkg --get-selections > somefile" before my backup run. Where should I write this file to ? |
| 11:57.02 | linuxboy | ^^^ that |
| 11:57.11 | petemc | yes, what kind of "stuff" is that? |
| 11:57.13 | JPT | you could save it on a floppy |
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| 11:57.15 | petemc | most people stick things in their how dir |
| 11:57.18 | petemc | s/how/home/ |
| 11:57.20 | linuxboy | meta data |
| 11:57.29 | linuxboy | petemc: it will be a service running it |
| 11:57.36 | petemc | what kind of service? |
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| 11:57.49 | linuxboy | my backup service |
| 11:58.47 | petemc | stick it in anywhere other than tmp |
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| 11:59.25 | linuxboy | petemc: heard of the FHS ? |
| 11:59.39 | petemc | sure |
| 11:59.39 | JuRiJ | hi, can anyone explain to me, why is pulseaudio using 30% CPU on my P4 2.8GHz? |
| 12:00.19 | JPT | maybe pulseaudio is doing some background work while being idle or it is using the cpu for visualization |
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| 12:00.33 | linuxboy | petemc: where does it go to fit into that ? |
| 12:00.49 | dudeman | hmm |
| 12:00.54 | petemc | linuxboy: im sure the fhs is well documented, i certainly dont have it committed to memory |
| 12:01.22 | linuxboy | can someone else help me? |
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| 12:02.52 | abrotman | linuxboy: there isn't anywhere to store that .. it's just a file for your reference |
| 12:02.57 | JuRiJ | JPT, it's only at 30% while playing some mp3 audio files... (I'm running Lenny i386) |
| 12:03.06 | dudeman | whoah its already 8am |
| 12:03.09 | dudeman | damn |
| 12:03.26 | JPT | uhm... okay.. |
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| 12:03.35 | JPT | so then i do not know, why it's using that much cpu.. |
| 12:03.36 | JuRiJ | JPT, no visualisation is possible with pulseaudio, it's sound daemon |
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| 12:04.00 | JPT | kaffeine is using about 40% at my 2.4GHz Core2Duo while watching dvb-t |
| 12:04.16 | JPT | *on my* |
| 12:04.20 | enouf | strk_away: oh yeah, doublehp reminded me, (for you on old 2.6.7) do wodim -scanbus, then wodim dev=ATAPI:0,0,1 ... (or whatver it is) , otherwise; dev=/dev/scd0 |
| 12:04.36 | JuRiJ | JPT, well, a year back or so xmms was at 1-3% while playing mp3 files |
| 12:04.48 | enouf | could try dev=ATA:x,x,x even |
| 12:04.54 | dudeman | enouf, ping |
| 12:04.54 | JuRiJ | JPT, now with the same task I'm at 30% :-( |
| 12:05.00 | JPT | mhh... |
| 12:05.06 | enouf | pong boingo bozo :-P |
| 12:05.14 | JPT | i don't know what's the reason for the higher cpu usage.. |
| 12:05.20 | JuRiJ | enouf, hi man :P |
| 12:05.34 | enouf | JuRiJ: hola! :-p |
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| 15:07.03 | hoxu | unop, ah well... it's not listed for that window, others it is... interesting :) |
| 15:07.41 | jthomas_ | is it possible to have a hosts file that only affects one user? |
| 15:07.54 | jthomas_ | like, to have my own personal hosts file |
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| 15:10.41 | unop | jthomas_, don't think so - why would you need anything like this tho? |
| 15:11.21 | hoxu | jthomas_, not possible afaik, please specify the real usecase and application and we may be able to come up with something |
| 15:12.37 | doublehp | i am doing netinst over PXE ; installer complains it can not download file from miror (first DL attempt); still, wget ifconfig route and resolv.conf seems good. Wget can wget google (thus solve and reach). How can i track deeper ? |
| 15:12.44 | doublehp | tried several mirors |
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| 15:13.31 | doublehp | in fact, it starts DL something (i see traffic on the router), then stops |
| 15:13.31 | petemc | doublehp: you're using http mirrors? |
| 15:13.41 | wols | !tell JohanA about bpo |
| 15:13.43 | doublehp | y , public ones |
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| 15:14.10 | petemc | doublehp: in the 4th tty should be logs |
| 15:14.24 | wols | jthomas_: you should find out what network chips your notebook uses with lspci -nn |
| 15:14.29 | yomm | How do I set up my SSH tunnel automatically at logon, or boot ? |
| 15:14.33 | jthomas_ | hoxu and unop, basically we have a web development server and we need to setup db.somedomain.com to point to one of our servers, but this needs to be internally only so we cannot adjust the DNS to make this happen, and we cannot adjust the hosts file on that development server because we need it to work properly in other cases. |
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| 15:14.40 | doublehp | petemc: bad MD5 |
| 15:15.33 | wols | yomm: pre-up or port-up script in /etc/network/interfaces, man interfaces |
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| 15:15.55 | hoxu | jthomas_, so you need one application to consider that address to point to IP A, and others to do an external lookup? I'm afraid that's not possible |
| 15:16.02 | wols | jthomas_: change the hosts file on the client |
| 15:16.09 | unop | jthomas_, surely what you are wanting is a bad solution then |
| 15:16.29 | jthomas_ | yes we need a bad solution. |
| 15:16.37 | unop | jthomas_, badly? :) |
| 15:16.41 | jthomas_ | quite |
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| 15:17.00 | wols | jthomas_: how many clients? |
| 15:17.09 | wols | and what dns do they use? |
| 15:17.09 | unop | jthomas_, errm, develop your app in a chroot? |
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| 15:17.22 | jthomas_ | yeah the chroot was one thought I had |
| 15:17.28 | jthomas_ | or a jail |
| 15:17.51 | unop | jthomas_, same difference |
| 15:18.03 | yomm | thank you wols ! |
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| 15:18.18 | stew | jthomas_: you could probably do something hacky with LD_PRELOAD |
| 15:18.36 | stew | (though a chroot is much easier) |
| 15:19.12 | doublehp | petemc: bad MD5 & server returned error 416 (request range not satisfiable) |
| 15:19.52 | hoxu | okay, I feel stupid for saying not possible now :) |
| 15:20.03 | jthomas_ | :) |
| 15:20.17 | jthomas_ | we use our own DNS but too many others do also, so we cannot change that. |
| 15:22.07 | hoxu | jthomas_, I'd probably see if the applications itself could be easily hacked into accepting some kind of override name->IP list |
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| 15:25.23 | MrWax | whats the best way to get a normal pass into a md5 hash with debian os? |
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| 15:26.18 | stew | MrWax: mkpasswd -H md5 |
| 15:27.39 | MrWax | thnx |
| 15:27.40 | drbair_work | there is a bug in lenny that causes an oops when ever a user key is requested. What package should I report this against? |
| 15:27.48 | MrWax | nice |
| 15:28.29 | stew | drbair_work: what do you mean by 'user key' |
| 15:28.49 | stew | drbair_work: if you mean kernel oops, then you'd report against the kernel |
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| 15:29.20 | drbair_work | like by using the command "keyctl request2 user..." or mounting a kerberos authenticated nfs/cifs share |
| 15:30.12 | drbair_work | so package kernel or linux-image-2.6? |
| 15:30.33 | stew | drbair_work: when you say oops you mean kernel oops? |
| 15:30.46 | drbair_work | righto |
| 15:30.49 | stew | drbair_work: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:31.10 | drbair_work | 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
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| 15:33.09 | drbair_work | I found a patch for it from april, unfortunately it doesn't seem to have gone anywhere. I'll try patching my kernel and seeing what happens |
| 15:33.55 | stew | drbair_work: the package to report against would be linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 then, yeah, if you could test the patch that would be great to include int he bugreport |
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| 15:38.29 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:58.03 | AlexW23 | whats the diff between etchnhalf |
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| 15:58.14 | AlexW23 | or, what is etchnhalf |
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| 15:59.06 | wols | !tell AlexW23 about etchnhalf |
| 15:59.49 | AlexW23 | wols: Thanks :) |
| 15:59.55 | AlexW23 | (: |
| 15:59.57 | unop | AlexW23, you can't differentiate on only one object :) |
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| 16:00.01 | peck_ | what is the diff between a tortoise ? |
| 16:00.48 | unop | .. and etchnhalf ? |
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| 16:04.37 | garym | I have debian 4.0 (x86) and I have just installed the network-manager-vpn and network-manager-vpn gnome, but I don't see any option for vpn conf when I load Debian/Apps/System/Network Admin -- what am I missing? |
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| 16:11.19 | blip- | hi all, i'm having some difficulty using apt-get... i do "apt-cache search java" and it shows me packages... but how can i get more info an find the version of java6 in there ? the manpage for apt-cache doesn't seem to cover this |
| 16:12.03 | vx23 | hello everyone |
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| 16:13.01 | vx23 | whats the next unstable after sid? |
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| 16:13.41 | wols | vx23: sid will always be unstable. it won#t ever change |
| 16:13.49 | wols | the next testing will be squeeze |
| 16:14.01 | vx23 | ho yes |
| 16:14.08 | vx23 | squeeze |
| 16:14.11 | wols | blank_: apt-cache show <package> |
| 16:14.13 | vx23 | tnx! |
| 16:14.26 | wols | vx23: java6 is only in lenny non free IIRC |
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| 16:26.37 | peakee | lusers |
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| 16:27.20 | concernedcitizen | i'm running debian minimal, and I can't seem to find the 'service' cmd |
| 16:27.24 | wols | peakee: do you have a debian related support question? |
| 16:27.25 | concernedcitizen | is there a package i shoul dbe installing? |
| 16:27.25 | OpenTokix | tote: Somewhat, boot with noacpi |
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| 16:27.41 | wols | concernedcitizen: does not exist. "service" is a RHism IIRC |
| 16:27.58 | concernedcitizen | ohhhh |
| 16:27.59 | concernedcitizen | oops |
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| 16:28.04 | wols | concernedcitizen: update-rc.d |
| 16:28.05 | OpenTokix | haha, I answered a two day old question - had scrolled up a bit =) |
| 16:28.05 | OpenTokix | haha |
| 16:28.10 | wols | or rcconf |
| 16:28.10 | concernedcitizen | so how do I stop a service? |
| 16:28.25 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:29.35 | abrotman | start-stop-service is another way |
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| 16:29.39 | abrotman | invoke-rc.d |
| 16:29.44 | abrotman | IIRC anyways |
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| 16:40.03 | concernedcitizen | how do I restart apache on debian? |
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| 16:40.22 | [1]Vex | tag auch |
| 16:40.46 | ortix | concernedcitizen /etc/init.d/apache (or apache2) restart |
| 16:40.46 | ortix | ;x |
| 16:41.21 | [1]Vex | spricht hier jemand deutsch? :) |
| 16:41.28 | khyros | vielleicht? |
| 16:41.29 | ortix | nein |
| 16:41.36 | [1]Vex | xD |
| 16:41.43 | [1]Vex | das beruhigt mich^^ |
| 16:41.50 | khyros | mich auch |
| 16:41.59 | [1]Vex | hat jemand erfahrung bei der installation auf einem aspire one a150l und mag mir helfen? |
| 16:42.46 | themill | !de |
| 16:42.46 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
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| 16:47.10 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! Q1: I tried to join this chan on another computer and it said I was banned! Q2: How do I get to know which Debian version is installed on a box? (uname -a, didnt help). Thanks |
| 16:47.28 | wols | !version |
| 16:47.28 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 16:48.15 | K_Dallas | thanks wols |
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| 16:51.02 | K_Dallas | Q: I tried to join this chan on another computer and it said I was banned! It would be really painful to use xchat on windows to solve problems on linux. Thanks |
| 16:51.05 | d0dge | Okay, I really can't get PHP working with my Apache 1.3. I've installed php5 and libapache-mod-php5 with no results. |
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| 16:51.30 | wols | !tell d0dge about doesn't work |
| 16:51.42 | themill | d0dge: can you be convinced to use apache2 instead? |
| 16:51.44 | wols | d0dge: and you really should use apache2. with lenny there won't be any apache 1 anymore |
| 16:52.51 | d0dge | Ok. I've always used Apache 1.3 so that's why I installed it. But I'll try the Apache2 then |
| 16:53.01 | extor | How can I get a list of the different checksums of various versions of debian kernels? I have two versions of the vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 kernel and they both have different checksums |
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| 16:53.20 | themill | d0dge: /msg dpkg install apache ; /msg dpkg install php |
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| 16:53.44 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.09 | extor | wols these kernels are from two different boxes...stock .deb kernels with different checksums but the exact same file name |
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| 16:54.31 | stew | extor: /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.18-6-686.md5sums |
| 16:55.45 | extor | stew how can I verify the checksums of all the different file versions of linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 that debian.org has ever sent out? Is there a place on the site? |
| 16:55.49 | dustybin | im running out of disk space and i need to move my PXE netboot system onto another partition, can you copy a whole debian os using the cp command? |
| 16:56.04 | extor | I just want to make sure my old kernel from months ago has a legit checksum |
| 16:56.29 | stew | extor: not that I know of. normally we'd say '/msg dpkg sdn', but i think that site stopped updating |
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| 16:57.20 | iks | Hey ! |
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| 16:57.32 | iks | I'm having small issues with Debian Lenny. |
| 16:57.41 | extor | stew so if I have a box with an old kernel, how do I know if the kernel is legit or if it has been backdoored if I cannot access a list of debian kernel versions from the past? |
| 16:58.02 | iks | Basically every 3-4 seconds I get a "sky 2 eth1: rx length error: status 0x... length 599" |
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| 16:58.10 | iks | which screws up my disaply |
| 16:58.19 | iks | ^L is my best friend... |
| 16:58.20 | stew | extor: compare it with /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.18-6-686.md5sums |
| 16:58.38 | iks | Anyway to whether fix the length or not get those messages ? |
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| 16:59.02 | iks | I found errors related to that in the sky2 driver in Linux < 2.26 but not in 2.26 |
| 16:59.15 | iks | I also tried to use ethtools without success |
| 16:59.29 | stew | extor: oh, but i guess you'd have to have some trusted machine with the same version of 2.6.18-6-686 installed |
| 16:59.35 | extor | stew, exactly |
| 16:59.38 | iks | to set rx verification off or, as a message suggested, change the speedfrom 100 to 10 Mbps |
| 16:59.47 | extor | hence the need for historical checksums |
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| 17:00.57 | SPF | if I were to miss a file of 17 Kb, but I have the md5sum and filesize. How long would it take me to calculate the data of the file? ( reconstruct ) |
| 17:01.20 | stew | extor: do you not have trusted backups? |
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| 17:01.54 | extor | stew nope...the box was hacked the day it was given to me so all backups are suspect |
| 17:02.21 | stew | extor: then you should be reinstalling it from scratch no matter what |
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| 17:02.45 | doublehp | during net-install, can an MD5 mismatch (during download) be due to faulty RAM ? |
| 17:02.58 | wols | doublehp: yes |
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| 17:03.18 | extor | regardless of if I should reinstall it or not I want to know if that checksum was legit or not |
| 17:03.43 | iks | Any idea for my problem ? :( |
| 17:04.26 | ezguy | will the system drive/filesystem be safe from power off shutdown at grub bootup prompt? |
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| 17:05.40 | wols | ezguy: yes |
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| 17:05.41 | n3kl | iks: failing nic? |
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| 17:06.05 | OpenTokix | doublehp: could be - install memtest86+ and boot into that minikernel |
| 17:06.10 | wols | iks: if 2.6.26 works, have you tried that version? |
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| 17:07.23 | stew | SPF: not possible |
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| 17:07.49 | iks | n3kl: what does that mean ? |
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| 17:07.57 | iks | wols: I'm using 2.6.26 |
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| 17:08.11 | wols | iks: NICs sometimes go bad, kaput. dead. done |
| 17:08.22 | iks | 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 17:08.30 | iks | wols: NICs ? |
| 17:08.34 | wols | !NIC |
| 17:08.34 | dpkg | [nic] (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 17:08.47 | iks | (I'd gladly lookup that on wikipedia but with that message screwing my screen, it's really hard) |
| 17:08.50 | iks | sorry... |
| 17:08.57 | OpenTokix | wols: it sucks when it happens, you go out of your way with software before you accept it is dead |
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| 17:09.01 | wols | iks: use X :) |
| 17:09.07 | SPF | stew: why? |
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| 17:09.18 | wols | OpenTokix: sure. but sky2 nics are always troublesome I think |
| 17:09.24 | SPF | stew: I only have to loop 1 to 17K * 255 |
| 17:09.26 | iks | wols: I bascially installed Debian on a small USB drive as a rescue OS |
| 17:09.28 | OpenTokix | wols: I only use intel |
| 17:09.33 | iks | I have no HD atm |
| 17:09.48 | OpenTokix | iks: boot a livecd? |
| 17:09.49 | wols | SPF: you cannot generate 17k bytes out of 128 or so bits |
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| 17:09.56 | iks | OpenTokix: no CDs :D |
| 17:10.00 | OpenTokix | iks: haha |
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| 17:10.02 | Jac1d | Hello all. Has anyone in here built a custom deb of VLC from source? |
| 17:10.11 | iks | but anyway it doesn't matter hat it is for |
| 17:10.20 | iks | I'm trying to understand how to fix this thing oO |
| 17:10.20 | wols | SPF: if you did you'd violate mathematics |
| 17:10.29 | Jac1d | I'm trying to build one but instead of adding features I want to strop a bunch out (for size reasons) and I can't quite see how to do it, although I found these great docs about general vlc package building on debian http://mydebian.blogdns.org/?p=227 |
| 17:10.32 | iks | I don't think my NIC is dying but who knows, is there a way to check that ? |
| 17:10.32 | wols | iks: try another NIC |
| 17:10.43 | iks | I have no error, just dropped packets according to ifconfig |
| 17:10.44 | stew | SPF: if there were multple files which had the same MD5, how would you know which one is correct? |
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| 17:11.30 | doublehp | OpenTokix: memtest = OK |
| 17:11.39 | wols | doublehp: tested for how long? |
| 17:12.01 | wols | doublehp: delete the file in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and redownload it |
| 17:12.09 | SPF | stew: because I know how the file looks like |
| 17:12.16 | OpenTokix | doublehp: you need to run it for a couple of hours to find small errors |
| 17:12.25 | doublehp | wols: 2 mn :) anyway, i know the machine can work: Windows boots fine. Deletion wont help; it's a strange arch: bi P3, 4x128M ECC ... |
| 17:12.30 | OpenTokix | doublehp: I usually run memtest for 24-48 hours on a machine |
| 17:12.38 | doublehp | wols: 100MHz ram running at 133 ... |
| 17:12.50 | wols | SPF: hash funcitons are not reversable. that's their POINT. if they were you couldn't use them |
| 17:13.16 | wols | doublehp: that windows runs is NO indication of working stuff whatsoever. it has no bearing at all to the problem |
| 17:13.28 | wols | and when you run hardware out of spec, you get what you deserver |
| 17:13.31 | doublehp | i know, i should do it longer ... but, i rather think it's a param in BIOS, of kernel ... |
| 17:13.38 | OpenTokix | wols: amen |
| 17:13.46 | doublehp | wols: ECC machines are always weird. |
| 17:13.57 | wols | doublehp: no. you are simply ignorant. HANSD |
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| 17:14.00 | wols | *HAND |
| 17:14.11 | OpenTokix | doublehp: if you have a single error in a ECC-stick - it might run for years - until one day, boom |
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| 17:14.21 | SPF | wols: ok, I might be wrong. But I want to give it a try anyway |
| 17:14.56 | wols | SPF: good luck. how much time do you have? one millenium or two? that's about the time it taks in the best case. hope you live that long |
| 17:15.07 | OpenTokix | doublehp: i had a machine last week, have been serving many billion webrequess. Then suddenly one day it jus reboots itself five times in a weekend. - Turns out it was some error on the mother board. |
| 17:15.28 | OpenTokix | SPF: pare you trying to reverse a Md5 hash? |
| 17:15.36 | wols | OpenTokix: yes he does |
| 17:15.58 | OpenTokix | SPF: Can you make gold from lead for me, and also in the process of doing impossible things. Get laid. |
| 17:16.00 | wols | look on the bright side: if he succeds he will be famous instantly |
| 17:16.10 | OpenTokix | wols: true |
| 17:16.12 | SPF | :) |
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| 17:16.26 | torrr | hel שלום שלם |
| 17:16.27 | stew | SPF: if you already know the contents of the file, you wouldn't be asking |
| 17:16.32 | torrr | ops |
| 17:16.39 | stew | wols: can you please just use ignore and skip the ad-hominems |
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| 17:17.00 | OpenTokix | SPF: then thing yoy have to do is to create files ad random, make a hash of them and then wait until you get the correct hash |
| 17:17.16 | OpenTokix | SPF: in the process you will write a couple of shakespearnovells also. |
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| 17:17.24 | OpenTokix | SPF: it's the monkeys and typewriter approach |
| 17:17.36 | SPF | OpenTokix: yes, But I will start with small files and files I know the filesize off |
| 17:17.48 | stew | and it is possible that thw wrong file will have the same md5sum |
| 17:17.55 | OpenTokix | SPF: ok, let's say you have a file with 100 bytes, ok? |
| 17:17.55 | SPF | true |
| 17:17.58 | n3kl | Is it safe to remove ttys from inittab to reduce the number of processes running? |
| 17:18.07 | stew | n3kl: yes |
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| 17:18.13 | wols | n3kl: sure but it won't save you much |
| 17:18.15 | wols | if anything |
| 17:18.42 | OpenTokix | SPF: 100 bytes and you use ONLY small letters a-z |
| 17:18.48 | SPF | stew: what if I knew the sha11, md5 and crc32? |
| 17:18.58 | extor | #paste |
| 17:19.02 | n3kl | brand new install with ssh installed, I have 50 processes running. That seems high |
| 17:19.09 | stew | SPF: then the chance of collision becomes extremely unlikely |
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| 17:19.30 | pistache | n3kl : 50 is much. Your processes in top and gnome-monitor aren't running, just sleeping |
| 17:19.36 | stew | SPF: but the amount of time it would take to do what you propose has the chance of taking probably millions of years |
| 17:19.41 | pistache | Usually you have only 1,2 or 3 processes running |
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| 17:19.55 | SPF | stew: depends on the filesize |
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| 17:20.00 | pistache | OpenTokix: True for the shakepearsnovells ^^ |
| 17:20.05 | stew | SPF: which you said was 17k |
| 17:20.09 | n3kl | pistache: understood, I am using ps aux | wc |
| 17:20.14 | doublehp | wols: OpenTokix : switched the FSB to 100MHz => boots fine :) |
| 17:20.21 | SPF | stew: that was just an example |
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| 17:20.32 | pistache | n3kl > I've got only 3 processes with that |
| 17:20.35 | SPF | stew: that's why I was asking, I had no clue |
| 17:21.00 | OpenTokix | SPF: if you hve 100 bytes and a-z - you will have 3142930641582938830174357788501626427282669988762475256374173175398995908420104023465432599069702289330964075081611719197835869803511992549376 different files to try. |
| 17:21.08 | OpenTokix | SPF: ie: 26^100 |
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| 17:21.22 | garym | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.25 | n3kl | pistache: ps aux | wc returns 3 processes? I don't think thats possible, unless perhaps you are not root |
| 17:21.30 | OpenTokix | SPF: if you have 10 bytes, it is still 141167095653376 different files. |
| 17:21.35 | kdubois1 | i'm trying to set up a MIPS cross compilation toolchain on debian lenny ia32. could anyone give pointers on where to start? |
| 17:21.40 | wols | OpenTokix: much more. uppercase, lowercase, punctuation... |
| 17:21.51 | OpenTokix | wols: I said only small letters, only a-z |
| 17:21.55 | OpenTokix | wols: in my example |
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| 17:22.03 | pistache | Ah. n3kl > I don't know wc |
| 17:22.08 | SPF | OpenTokix: so ur saying it's possible, but only for small files? |
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| 17:22.23 | OpenTokix | SPF: ok, lets say you have 20 bytes file, and you tro 1000 files/second |
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| 17:22.28 | stew | SPF: he's saying its not feasible even for small files |
| 17:22.36 | pistache | but you can see the Running processes by using just "ps", can't you ? |
| 17:23.03 | wols | n3kl: ps aux |wc -l |
| 17:23.10 | OpenTokix | SPF: ok, 20 byte files, 1000 files/second (this is pretty fast for md5) - it will take: 37915047365314705388 years |
| 17:23.19 | n3kl | wols: yeah, thats where I got my number |
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| 17:23.59 | pistache | 164 processes isn't much. most of them aren't running, just sleeping |
| 17:24.04 | stew | SPF: run 'john' for a while, and see how many days it takes to get into trying random 8 characters passwords, and that is not using all 256 possibilities per byte |
| 17:24.07 | pistache | It's really different fropm Windows |
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| 17:24.35 | OpenTokix | SPF: if you try one billion files per second, it will still take: 37915047365314 years, (37915 billion years, taking into account that the earth is about 6 billion years old) |
| 17:25.03 | n3kl | stew: I have never had john actually work on my passwords |
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| 17:26.24 | OpenTokix | SPF: is something getting thru the thick mist of ignorance yet? |
| 17:27.10 | SPF | OpenTokix: eh yes. I forgot about the exponentional increase with each char |
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| 17:27.59 | OpenTokix | SPF: The slope is getting pretty step =) |
| 17:28.20 | OpenTokix | Steep |
| 17:28.27 | SPF | OpenTokix: one of the reasons that such program are very rare |
| 17:28.45 | SPF | s/ram/rams |
| 17:28.46 | OpenTokix | SPF: the program is simple, time is the rare part |
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| 17:30.24 | Batchy | SPF: i'm not even sure quantum computing may solve your problem ;) |
| 17:30.37 | OpenTokix | Batchy: Quantum computing is a whole other beast =) |
| 17:30.44 | OpenTokix | Batchy: That's just fucked up =) |
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| 17:37.38 | n3kl | How can I use dhcp3-server to setup two different subnets on two different interfaces, one subnet for each nic? |
| 17:38.18 | wols | n3kl: check if you can sepcify the dhcpd.conf on the commandline |
| 17:38.35 | n3kl | wols: maybe use two different daemons or something? |
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| 17:39.16 | wols | n3kl: yes |
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| 17:40.03 | garym | linux-image-2.6.26-bpo.1-686 ... what does bpo stand for? |
| 17:40.09 | abrotman | backports.org |
| 17:40.11 | wols | backports.org |
| 17:40.12 | garym | ah |
| 17:40.14 | garym | thx |
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| 17:40.43 | garym | how do I upgrade my kernel to that edition? what's the apt-get/aptitude command? |
| 17:40.56 | wols | !tell garym about bpo |
| 17:41.00 | wols | garym: do you run etch? |
| 17:41.02 | garym | yes |
| 17:41.35 | abrotman | garym: read the instructions at backports.org |
| 17:41.39 | garym | k. thx |
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| 17:42.37 | OpenTokix | n3kl: have you tried to set up the differnt subnets on each interface. Then write two entries inside dhcpd.conf and and one enty will "listen" on it's own network? |
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| 17:44.02 | OpenTokix | n3kl: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-November/104507.html |
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| 17:44.24 | OpenTokix | n3kl: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/setting-up-a-dhcp-server-with-multiple-network-interfaces-debian-648404/ <-- like I said |
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| 17:44.37 | OpenTokix | n3kl: one daemon, multiple entires in dhcpd.conf and it will give on the correct network |
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| 17:44.51 | n3kl | OpenTokix: ah, the interface declaration was what I was needing |
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| 17:45.29 | n3kl | OpenTokix: awesome, I think that will serve my purpose, thanks |
| 17:45.55 | OpenTokix | n3kl: gl |
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| 17:49.18 | windowshasyou | you know the economy is getting bad when the government siezes washington mutual and then sells it to jp morgan right away |
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| 17:55.15 | KovUSB | can anyone help me figure out why the hell KDE 3.5 (the lenny packages) takes SO MUCH TIME (10 minutes or more) to load up and locks up as soon as I click the KMenu? |
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| 17:56.50 | abrotman | windowshasyou: try #debian-offtopic |
| 17:57.07 | nkuttler | KovUSB: try to mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-bak. be ready to lose your settings. |
| 17:57.19 | KovUSB | nkuttler: fresh install, no settings |
| 17:57.35 | KovUSB | kpersonalizer appears instantly on screen, but as soon as I finish it the desktop takes this forever to load |
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| 17:59.13 | KovUSB | nkuttler: the splash screen never leaves the "Initializing system services" part, until it timeouts and I'm left with the boring kdm wallpaper, waiting until kicker appears |
| 17:59.25 | nkuttler | KovUSB: i don't use kde |
| 17:59.31 | KovUSB | =p |
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| 17:59.50 | KovUSB | goes ask dpkg |
| 17:59.58 | JyZyXEL | does sshd have an idle kick feature? |
| 18:00.19 | format_c | JyZyXEL, yes it does |
| 18:00.34 | JyZyXEL | where? |
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| 18:01.14 | format_c | JyZyXEL, in the /etc/ssh/sshd_config I would say |
| 18:01.30 | JyZyXEL | which parameter o.O |
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| 18:01.47 | JyZyXEL | it should be there by default |
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| 18:02.37 | abrotman | no it shouldn't |
| 18:03.12 | eddieBB | when i try "sudo apt-get install rar" i get his "sudo: command not found" anyone know what's going on? |
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| 18:03.18 | JyZyXEL | well my SSH sessions seem to time out sometimes |
| 18:03.27 | stew | eddieBB: you haven't installed sudo |
| 18:03.28 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: probably a router/firewall in between |
| 18:03.37 | KovUSB | eddieBB: su -c 'apt-get install sudo' |
| 18:03.43 | JyZyXEL | abrotman well wouldn't that block it in the first place |
| 18:03.47 | abrotman | the ClientAliveTimeout is set to 0 |
| 18:03.48 | JyZyXEL | if it were to do that |
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| 18:03.59 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: yes, many of them do .. especially the little cheap ones |
| 18:04.02 | eddieBB | i see. thanks |
| 18:04.08 | JyZyXEL | what does it? |
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| 18:04.17 | abrotman | erm .. is set to zero by default .. which means it won't disconnect you |
| 18:04.21 | ian__ | reboot: Input/output error |
| 18:04.23 | ian__ | D: |
| 18:04.25 | ian__ | tar: command not found |
| 18:04.30 | abrotman | oh wait .. maybe that's not what you want |
| 18:04.33 | ian__ | ls: Bus erro |
| 18:04.38 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: but anyways .. it's a firewall/router between you and the host |
| 18:04.43 | KovUSB | ian__: hardware failure |
| 18:04.44 | JyZyXEL | abrotman my friend has a very cheap natting firewall |
| 18:04.57 | abrotman | so check that .. many of them are set to like 5-10 minutes |
| 18:05.03 | ian__ | KovUSB: yes. any way to reboot it without using the reboot binary? |
| 18:05.09 | JyZyXEL | its very random |
| 18:05.24 | JyZyXEL | just sometimes i notice the connection has been disconnected |
| 18:05.25 | n3kl | Is there something better than iptables I should be using for routing? |
| 18:05.29 | JyZyXEL | its really weird |
| 18:05.36 | KovUSB | ian__: disconnecting the power plug and putting it back? hitting the reset button? holding the shutdown button until it poweroffs and then turning it on again? |
| 18:05.41 | JyZyXEL | how can it just cut like that |
| 18:05.48 | abrotman | i just freaking told you |
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| 18:05.48 | ian__ | great so im screwed lol |
| 18:05.51 | KovUSB | looks like the disk with your root filesystem got disconnected |
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| 18:06.18 | KovUSB | that happens a lot with bad flat cables :P |
| 18:06.18 | ian__ | i wouldnt be surprised if the company just took the disk out every year to make us pay for a new one |
| 18:06.22 | ian__ | because its happened every year |
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| 18:07.21 | KovUSB | so nobody in here can help me with kde issues? :( |
| 18:07.33 | ian__ | #kde? |
| 18:08.01 | KovUSB | ian__: will try... |
| 18:08.06 | KovUSB | but it is possible they send me back here :P |
| 18:08.16 | abrotman | or #debian-kde |
| 18:08.29 | KovUSB | abrotman: here on freenode? |
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| 18:09.34 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:09.38 | abrotman | or rather .. i believe so |
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| 18:16.13 | uplink | hello and good evening, i need a program for linux that i can use to connect to all my servers at once, via ssh, and run an update command for my sites |
| 18:16.53 | stew | uplink: you might look at clusterssh or dssh |
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| 18:18.07 | uplink | oh thanks alot stew |
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| 18:21.41 | n3kl | Is there something more suited for routing than iptables? |
| 18:21.57 | jhanssen | Does anybody know why after purge the exim and remove the exim from the rc2.d via the update-rc.d command It's still been started on box starts ? |
| 18:22.17 | n3kl | jhanssen: aptitude purge exim |
| 18:22.24 | jhanssen | already done .. |
| 18:22.30 | n3kl | oh, I need to read more |
| 18:22.42 | garym | is there a package that will bring in everything needed to build a kernel image? |
| 18:22.50 | jhanssen | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 18:23.07 | n3kl | garym: build-essential |
| 18:23.23 | garym | ah, thought it might be. doc line just says it's a list. thx |
| 18:23.30 | n3kl | jhanssen: what does aptitude search exim say? |
| 18:23.45 | stew | jhanssen: what command did you use the purge exim? do you still have other exim packages installed? (try "dpkg -l exim\* | grep ^.i") |
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| 18:23.51 | jhanssen | n3kl, there's no package to be removed.. because I already did the exim remove .. |
| 18:23.54 | n3kl | jhanssen: rather: dpkg -l | grep exim |
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| 18:24.18 | jhanssen | k |
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| 18:24.20 | jhanssen | yeahhh |
| 18:24.21 | jhanssen | thanks man |
| 18:24.30 | jhanssen | exim4-base needs to me removed also .. |
| 18:24.37 | n3kl | purged most likely |
| 18:24.57 | jhanssen | but the command update-rc.d exim remove should works as well ? |
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| 18:25.48 | n3kl | jhanssen: well, are you looking to remove the package, or just disble it? |
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| 18:26.34 | jhanssen | both .. BUt I am just removing due to the fact that the update-rc.d didn't work |
| 18:27.11 | Kulik | Hi, I want to install Debian on a server (RAID 10 install), etch doesn't offer RAID10 in installer, so I thought I might install lenny beta2 and downgrade afterwards, that would be a little less PITA than to do the casual RAID1 small install and then cascade RAID1 and RAID0 over RAID1 devices |
| 18:27.19 | Kulik | Is it possible to downgrade easily? |
| 18:27.21 | n3kl | jhanssen: well, not sure about that tool, only used it a couple times. I prefer to do it manuall. |
| 18:27.25 | abrotman | Kulik: not possible |
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| 18:27.51 | jhanssen | n3kl, got it why ...dpkg -l | grep exim it shows also the exim4-daemon-light that is the daemon was still installed .. |
| 18:27.53 | Kulik | abrotman: are you sure? |
| 18:27.55 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:27.58 | abrotman | !downgrade |
| 18:27.58 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 18:27.59 | Kulik | dammit |
| 18:28.02 | jhanssen | that's the cause .. thanks n3kl |
| 18:28.03 | jhanssen | :) |
| 18:28.19 | n3kl | jhanssen: sure thing |
| 18:28.23 | abrotman | Kulik: you could make it raid0 now .. then "upgrade" to rain10 after the install ? |
| 18:28.24 | n3kl | Kulik: just do it manually |
| 18:28.43 | n3kl | abrotman: can you really move a raid 0 to a raid10 though? |
| 18:28.50 | Kulik | abrotman: so I have 4 discs, I do RAID0 with 2 discs, but how to upgrade later? |
| 18:28.55 | abrotman | you're just going to mirror them .. don't see why not |
| 18:29.04 | abrotman | but .. that said .. i've not done it |
| 18:29.20 | simonrvn | isn't like raid 10 really raid levels 1+0 ? |
| 18:29.27 | Kulik | it is |
| 18:29.39 | n3kl | I am not sure but I think I read something about mdadm level "morph" er, I can't remember the word |
| 18:29.43 | justin | are you sure you cant do raid 10 in the installer? |
| 18:29.44 | Kulik | but it's two RAID1 devices stripped over, so when one disc falls, it's still flawless RAID0 |
| 18:29.45 | n3kl | not working correctly anyway |
| 18:29.51 | Elite|Jeti | Anyone here know how to setup proftpd on debian etch? |
| 18:30.04 | n3kl | Elite|Jeti: apt-get install proftpd |
| 18:30.20 | abrotman | aptitude! |
| 18:30.24 | n3kl | alright |
| 18:30.27 | n3kl | damnit |
| 18:30.27 | justin | you can definitely make the two raid 1 sets and manually run mdadm to make the raid 0 |
| 18:30.40 | Elite|Jeti | Its installed I guess I mean setup sorry |
| 18:30.45 | n3kl | that is probably going to fail |
| 18:30.49 | justin | might have to fix /target/etc/mdadm.conf or whatever, but it should be doable |
| 18:30.54 | abrotman | Elite|Jeti: i'm sure it has documentation |
| 18:30.56 | n3kl | I don't think you can raid two md devices together |
| 18:30.59 | Kulik | abrotman: what you suggets is doing 2 RAID0s in RAID1, that's less feasible than two RAID1 devices stripped |
| 18:31.34 | abrotman | a+b=c ? |
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| 18:31.57 | abrotman | why is your desired setup better? |
| 18:32.08 | Elite|Jeti | n3kl: their site is down |
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| 18:32.18 | abrotman | Elite|Jeti: #proftpd ? |
| 18:32.24 | n3kl | Elite|Jeti: install it, then go to /usr/share/doc/proftpd |
| 18:32.26 | n3kl | Elite|Jeti: read |
| 18:32.37 | jhanssen | !portmap |
| 18:32.37 | dpkg | for sun RPC based services (like NFS and NIS). To disable it, simply remove the "portmap" package. But be careful, if you running NFS on a remote box, your box doesnt boot then... |
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| 18:32.52 | Kulik | abrotman: imagine one disc failing |
| 18:33.05 | abrotman | yes .. and? |
| 18:33.10 | abrotman | it still is working |
| 18:33.11 | Kulik | abrotman: when you replace it, you have to completely rebuild the whole RAID0 using the other RAID0 devices |
| 18:33.12 | n3kl | Kulik: I think you are going about this the entire wrong way |
| 18:33.29 | Kulik | abrotman: if RAID1 disc fails, it just copies the contents of the other RAID1 disc |
| 18:33.49 | Quintin | Elite|Jeti: ftp is evil and insecure FYI |
| 18:33.49 | Kulik | n3kl: suggestions? I confess, I am quite lame when it comes to RAIDing Debian :) |
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| 18:34.08 | abrotman | Kulik: you're doing a mirror either way .. |
| 18:34.17 | torrr | anyone knows why if I use xmodmap then the 'keyboard layout switch' key combo don't work |
| 18:34.22 | torrr | ? |
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| 18:34.39 | n3kl | Kulik: mdadm is not meant to work like you are thinking it will. My suggestion would be to build the raid10, then install the system. Use a live cd or something, bootstrap the system, chroot, install grub and mdadm --detail > /etc/mdadm.conf |
| 18:35.06 | stew | Elite|Jeti: the documentation is in the proftpd-doc package |
| 18:35.21 | eOliva | does anybody know a good program do handle webcam shooting and filming? |
| 18:35.23 | Elite|Jeti | stew it says nothing about the groups stuff though |
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| 18:35.31 | abrotman | couldn't he also setup LVM on the RAID1 .. then expand the LVM to the second disk ? |
| 18:35.37 | abrotman | or second RAID1 .. wahtever |
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| 18:36.09 | Kulik | abrotman: you can't morph RAID1 to RAID10 |
| 18:36.18 | justin | abrotman: that may just be raid 1+1.. does lvm stripe stuff when you extend a vg? |
| 18:36.21 | Kulik | I think I am going to use livecd and do it manually |
| 18:36.27 | helix | what is raid10 |
| 18:36.30 | justin | Kulik: the installer IS a live cd |
| 18:36.35 | stew | Elite|Jeti: which groups stuff |
| 18:36.37 | abrotman | justin: i'm honestly not sure |
| 18:36.38 | n3kl | !raid10 |
| 18:36.38 | justin | Kulik: just go to the shell console and run whatever you want |
| 18:36.44 | n3kl | meh |
| 18:36.45 | abrotman | helix: striping+mirroring |
| 18:36.50 | Kulik | justin: yeah that's what I meant :)) |
| 18:37.00 | helix | !helixsnack abrotman |
| 18:37.00 | dpkg | feeds abrotman a nice juicy animal- and cruelty-free tidbit |
| 18:37.05 | abrotman | morning! |
| 18:37.08 | abrotman | erm .. afternoon |
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| 18:37.46 | abrotman | Kulik: you want 1+0 or 0+1 ? |
| 18:38.02 | justin | shouldn't it always be stripped mirrors? |
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| 18:38.10 | Elite|Jeti | /msg stew # Set the user and group that the server normally runs at. |
| 18:38.11 | Elite|Jeti | User ftp |
| 18:38.11 | Elite|Jeti | Group ftp |
| 18:38.11 | n3kl | justin: I think so |
| 18:38.25 | Kulik | abrotman: 1+0 ofc |
| 18:38.29 | justin | especially when there are more than 4 drives.. |
| 18:38.36 | Kulik | justin: yes, my point :)) |
| 18:38.38 | Elite|Jeti | oops :P |
| 18:38.39 | justin | you want a stripe of 3 mirrors, not a mirror of 3 raid0 |
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| 18:39.23 | stew | Elite|Jeti: it certainly says more than nothing about it, did you read the Group and User sections of Configuration.html? |
| 18:39.48 | abrotman | Kulik: hrm .. wait .. so why can't you setup the raid0 on installation and then migrate it to 1+0 ? .. you're adding a disk as the mirror for each part of the raid0 |
| 18:39.49 | Elite|Jeti | I don't know where that is :s |
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| 18:40.13 | stew | Elite|Jeti: where what is? |
| 18:40.15 | KovUSB | why the hell can't I ping 127.0.0.1? |
| 18:40.31 | Kulik | abrotman: it is possible theoretically, but you have to break it and rearrange it a lot |
| 18:40.38 | Kulik | abrotman: I think I am doing it via shell |
| 18:41.00 | stew | Kulik: does "ifconfig" list an interface named 'lo'? |
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| 18:41.06 | Elite|Jeti | stew the configuration.html file |
| 18:41.06 | abrotman | Kulik: does the lenny installer support 1+0 either ? |
| 18:41.08 | KovUSB | stew: yes |
| 18:41.15 | Kulik | abrotman: lenny does support it |
| 18:41.16 | KovUSB | stew: 'ifconfig lo up' made it work |
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| 18:41.24 | KovUSB | but it should work without that command, obviiously :P |
| 18:41.34 | stew | Elite|Jeti: "dpkg -L $packagename" will list the files in a package |
| 18:41.40 | Kulik | stew: sure does, what does that have to do with RAID? |
| 18:41.55 | Kulik | oh |
| 18:41.55 | abrotman | Kulik: he misfired |
| 18:41.59 | Kulik | yeah :) |
| 18:42.03 | Kulik | I didn't notice it |
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| 18:42.09 | abrotman | Kulik: this is going to be a public server? |
| 18:42.16 | Kulik | abrotman: yeh |
| 18:42.21 | Elite|Jeti | stew: do I change $packagename to proftpd? |
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| 18:42.33 | stew | Elite|Jeti: no, proftpd-doc |
| 18:42.43 | Kulik | abrotman: it already was a public server :-D I am upgrading it now |
| 18:42.46 | abrotman | Kulik: is that support a kernel level thing or an installer restriction ? |
| 18:42.53 | Kulik | abrotman: both |
| 18:42.59 | Kulik | abrotman: at least it seems |
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| 18:43.05 | abrotman | Kulik: i wonder if maybe the etchnhalf supports it ? |
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| 18:43.33 | michom | hello, i am using debian lenny and i need to install g++ 3.4 on it along with the 4.3 version, is there any way to do it? |
| 18:43.37 | stew | KovUSB: make sure you have "auto lo" in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:43.45 | michom | i already installed gcc 3.4 without any problem, however g++ is removed from lenny rep, downloading it from stable rep and installing caused a prob, it need a specific libstdc++ older than the one i currently have |
| 18:43.51 | jganetsk | has anyone compiled xemacs 21.5 on debian 4.0? |
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| 18:44.06 | abrotman | Kulik: though i don't konw that they changed anything in the installer |
| 18:44.08 | KovUSB | stew: oh... I didn't... |
| 18:44.17 | KovUSB | did debootstrap without the handbook, forgot that tiny detail |
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| 18:44.42 | Kulik | abrotman: well I want it rock stable, no experiments |
| 18:44.46 | Elite|Jeti | proftpd-doc isn't installed |
| 18:45.11 | abrotman | Kulik: etchnhalf is newer packages .. mostly a newer kernel |
| 18:45.26 | n3kl | Elite|Jeti: you could alwways install it |
| 18:45.38 | Elite|Jeti | apt-get install proftpd-doc |
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| 18:46.19 | n3kl | was that a question? |
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| 18:46.26 | Elite|Jeti | yea sorry |
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| 18:46.31 | stew | Elite|Jeti: when i told you the proftpd-docs pacakge contained the docs before, you told me "it says nothing about the groups stuff though" :) |
| 18:46.34 | n3kl | to install it, yes |
| 18:46.43 | Kulik | any reason why the installer can't mark an already RAIDed partition for use with RAID? If I do it manually via mdadm, will that work? |
| 18:47.01 | justin | Kulik: you may have to fix mdadm.conf by hand, but it should work |
| 18:47.53 | n3kl | and grub |
| 18:48.03 | n3kl | if you bootstrap it anyway |
| 18:48.22 | justin | oh.. you are booting off of it? can grub even boot from a raid10? |
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| 18:48.31 | justin | all my raid10s are hardware :) |
| 18:48.31 | n3kl | don't see why not |
| 18:48.48 | n3kl | justin: what cards do you use? |
| 18:48.56 | justin | n3kl: megaraids in dells |
| 18:49.05 | n3kl | justin: ah |
| 18:49.20 | n3kl | justin: why did you go that route over software raids? |
| 18:49.32 | jhanssen | Guys one more question, if I remove the fam and portmap ( I am not running any NFS system or anything like that ) is there any problem to my box ? |
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| 18:49.46 | justin | n3kl: makes things easier, and if you get the dell controller the drives are hot swappable |
| 18:50.05 | abrotman | jhanssen: parts of gnome use fam |
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| 18:50.16 | n3kl | justin: ah. I have a raid5 now, but I have been looking at hardware solutions for a long time to move to raid10 eventually |
| 18:50.25 | n3kl | justin: just curious |
| 18:50.35 | jhanssen | hmm I am not using gnome.... then I think it's OK removing that ... Is that the only issue ? |
| 18:50.36 | justin | n3kl: i like the newest one I got.. raid10, pretty cheap.. I get 250MB/s r/w speeds |
| 18:50.40 | jhanssen | abrotman, |
| 18:50.51 | abrotman | jhanssen: i guess you'll find out :) |
| 18:51.08 | n3kl | justin: that is way better than I get |
| 18:51.13 | stew | jhanssen: you can always try to remove it and see what other packages it wants to take wit it |
| 18:51.24 | n3kl | justin: what kind of drives? sata, sas? Rpm? |
| 18:51.30 | justin | sffsas I think |
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| 18:51.46 | jhanssen | yes yes .. that didn't show any other package than the other fams related like libfam0 and stuffs like that .... |
| 18:52.14 | Elite|Jeti | n3kl: how can I open my doc in a web browser? |
| 18:52.14 | jhanssen | I mean, performance issues or anything like that.. |
| 18:52.28 | jhanssen | stew, and abrotman |
| 18:52.31 | n3kl | justin: yeah, I have to go the poor mans router, good ol' sata |
| 18:52.45 | n3kl | Elite|Jeti: probably something like: file:///usr/share/doc |
| 18:53.01 | Elite|Jeti | n3kl: the server is accross the country not here |
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| 18:53.08 | justin | I have a raid1 at home using zfs on two usb2.0 drives.. works just fine.. I mostly access it over wireless anyway, so 30MB/s is more than fast enough |
| 18:53.17 | n3kl | Elite|Jeti: then you dont, without apache anyway |
| 18:53.27 | Elite|Jeti | I have apache installed |
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| 18:53.31 | thotypous | hi! does anyone knows which is the more recent debian repository which support 2.4 kernel series? |
| 18:53.36 | n3kl | Elite|Jeti: uh, whats wrong with less? |
| 18:53.36 | stew | Elite|Jeti: juse poihnt a web browser at /usr/share/doc/proftpd-doc there is no reason to use apache |
| 18:53.38 | abrotman | n3kl: you can open html pages on your hdd without appache |
| 18:53.52 | stew | ^juse^just |
| 18:53.53 | n3kl | abrotman: in a browser? |
| 18:53.56 | abrotman | thotypous: sarge has one .. but it's notsupported anymore |
| 18:53.57 | abrotman | n3kl: sure |
| 18:53.59 | n3kl | abrotman: I guess links and such |
| 18:53.59 | stew | n3kl: yes |
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| 18:54.12 | n3kl | w3m or lynx? |
| 18:54.16 | n3kl | what else? |
| 18:54.17 | stew | yes |
| 18:54.18 | abrotman | really doesn't matter |
| 18:54.27 | abrotman | any browser should be capable of that |
| 18:54.36 | thotypous | abrotman: does libc from newer repositories depends on kernel 2.6? |
| 18:54.37 | Elite|Jeti | well it doesn't show |
| 18:54.50 | abrotman | thotypous: i believe so .. what are you actually trying to do? |
| 18:55.05 | stew | Elite|Jeti: be more specific |
| 18:55.13 | simonrvn | thotypous: depend? not sure, but highly recommended. |
| 18:55.22 | thotypous | abrotman: I need to install some packages in an old Debian dump with RTLinux 2.4 (I didn't get the patches to work with 2.6 series) |
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| 18:55.32 | Elite|Jeti | stew: it deosn't open in the browser when I point to http://domain/usr/share/doc/proftpd-doc |
| 18:55.38 | abrotman | thotypous: sounds unfun |
| 18:55.41 | jhanssen | stew, no way .. my beautiful KDE is gone lost some packages ... noway fam will keep there.. . :D |
| 18:55.57 | stew | Elite|Jeti: not http, just /usr/share/doc/proftpd-doc or file:///usr/share/doc/proftpd-doc |
| 18:56.16 | Elite|Jeti | stew: I said I wasn't at the server |
| 18:56.39 | abrotman | you can ssh in and read them |
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| 18:56.58 | Elite|Jeti | I am but a html file has all that HTML crap in it to read around |
| 18:57.11 | abrotman | so use a console web browser |
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| 18:57.18 | stew | Elite|Jeti: we are trying to tell you to run a text based web browser on the server |
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| 18:57.30 | stew | Elite|Jeti: i'd recommend w3m or links or elinks or lynx |
| 18:57.40 | Elite|Jeti | abrotoman:what would one be? |
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| 18:57.46 | abrotman | you've been told numerous |
| 18:57.53 | n3kl | I like having conversations several times in a row |
| 18:57.55 | n3kl | good times |
| 18:58.04 | abrotman | no one even had the "don't use ftp" one wiht him :) |
| 18:58.57 | Elite|Jeti | I kinda need ftp dur |
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| 18:59.01 | stew | !ftpmustdie |
| 18:59.01 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 18:59.23 | jhanssen | lol |
| 18:59.31 | JyZyXEL | lol |
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| 18:59.49 | Elite|Jeti | You know with being a web host and all :P |
| 18:59.50 | JyZyXEL | stew what must replace ftp? |
| 19:00.00 | stew | JyZyXEL: scp, sftp |
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| 19:00.06 | jhanssen | the only really good stuff that ftp provides is while doing quick scripts .. |
| 19:00.12 | jhanssen | without keys and all that stuff |
| 19:00.26 | JyZyXEL | stew can scp be used for anonymous transfers? |
| 19:00.41 | stew | JyZyXEL: no, for that you can use http |
| 19:00.46 | Elite|Jeti | Well I don't know why the hell this is so redicuously stupid |
| 19:00.47 | JyZyXEL | ok |
| 19:00.52 | justin | jhanssen: no.. that isn't really good at all |
| 19:00.59 | stew | Elite|Jeti: can you be more specific? |
| 19:01.07 | justin | if you just need quick anonymous file transfers http is better in every way |
| 19:01.18 | Elite|Jeti | stew: what? |
| 19:01.41 | stew | Elite|Jeti: if you want help with whatever it is that you find stupid, you'll need to ask more specific questinos |
| 19:01.50 | jhanssen | Jussi, how will you do a 'put' in http ? |
| 19:01.53 | jhanssen | :) |
| 19:01.55 | stew | jhanssen: with webdav |
| 19:02.12 | stew | justin: what if i need to mangle /n when i'm downloading? :) |
| 19:02.19 | jhanssen | you'll need first a tool .. ftp and the put command is already in ... |
| 19:02.20 | stew | justin: or with post |
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| 19:02.25 | stew | err POST |
| 19:02.32 | justin | stew: mangle? |
| 19:02.55 | stew | justin: http is missing the ftp "feature" where /n gets changed into /r/n or vice-versa |
| 19:03.00 | justin | stew: \n |
| 19:03.22 | bsund | lo I just installed fresh weekly lenny iso, when I'm installing adobe flash plugin.. I get this |
| 19:03.25 | bsund | WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path. |
| 19:03.27 | bsund | Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape, or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /usr/lib/iceweasel |
| 19:03.49 | bsund | I can't install it |
| 19:03.58 | bsund | maybe a missing directory? |
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| 19:05.47 | bsund | what is the plugin directory called? is it "plugins" ? I have'nt tested anything yet, was thinking it might be a known problem? |
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| 19:06.16 | wasynyt | i am truing to install debian lenny but the part of the installer that install the grub seems broken. i only seem to get error 17's or failed to install grub |
| 19:06.16 | enouf | !grub errors |
| 19:06.16 | dpkg | from memory, grub.errors is grub error X? go to http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Troubleshooting.html#Troubleshooting to find out what it means |
| 19:06.57 | enouf | !tell wasynyt -about rescue mode |
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| 19:07.07 | bsund | Any user here that can post a 'ls' in /usr/lib/iceweasel or ~/.mozilla? |
| 19:07.23 | stew | justin: wow, my brain got fried this week, yeah |
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| 19:07.29 | abrotman | bsund: i just manually put the .so file in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ and be done with it |
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| 19:07.44 | enouf | thinks stew has secretly been using windows :-p |
| 19:08.03 | wasynyt | thanks for the help.. i will try this one and see what happens |
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| 19:08.26 | bsund | abrotman: ok, it is 'plugins'? then I think the current iceweasel package is flawed |
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| 19:08.54 | abrotman | bsund: you can think whatever you want .. i'm just telling you where i manually put it |
| 19:09.13 | enouf | bug? |
| 19:09.24 | enouf | reportoirre? |
| 19:09.38 | stew | bsund: why are you installing the plugin by hand instead of using the debian packages? |
| 19:09.55 | Kulik | ok, I have setup a RAID10 raid finally, now I think I can simply install on it (RAID10 is root) and at the end of the installation, I must manually edit mdadm.conf to reflect the things ... |
| 19:10.45 | bsund | abrotman: the adobe installer is a simple script, but not being able to install it is a flaw, the directory should be there, I think. |
| 19:10.59 | bsund | stew: is there any? |
| 19:11.10 | bsund | in the common reps? |
| 19:11.24 | abrotman | bsund: i just told you were to drop it .. iceweasel will scan the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ |
| 19:11.25 | Kulik | I seem to fall into the catch-22 problem, the mdadm.conf is most likely going to be on the root filesystem |
| 19:11.32 | Kulik | :(( |
| 19:11.33 | stew | bsund: in the non-free repositories |
| 19:11.48 | stew | bsund: yes, it sounds like its a flaw, good luck getting adobe to fix it though |
| 19:11.57 | enouf | Kulik: check out http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto |
| 19:12.00 | bsund | abrotman: Yeah I thank you :) |
| 19:12.06 | stew | bsund: err, no it is in contrib, but its not in lenny's contrib, use the package from sid |
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| 19:12.18 | thotypous | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#s-incompatible-2.4 |
| 19:12.24 | abrotman | or see debian-multimedia.org |
| 19:12.26 | K_Dallas | Q: Which repository do I need to gaet acrobat reader? Thanks |
| 19:12.26 | enouf | Kulik: and, try a daily build of the installer - which release are you using? |
| 19:12.37 | K_Dallas | and firefox 3 |
| 19:12.41 | Kulik | enouf: latest etch stable |
| 19:12.41 | abrotman | K_Dallas: why not use xpdf or evince? |
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| 19:12.45 | jhanssen | abrotman, do you know when the iceweasel will come into the new version of the firefox ? 3.x ? |
| 19:12.46 | abrotman | or kpdf |
| 19:12.55 | abrotman | jhanssen: with lenny .. etch won't get FF3 |
| 19:12.57 | enouf | Kulik: hrm - see if .. one sec |
| 19:13.03 | K_Dallas | abrotman, I just like acrobat8 |
| 19:13.10 | jhanssen | the lenny version abrotman |
| 19:13.12 | bsund | Is there any none email way to get in contact |
| 19:13.13 | abrotman | !tell K_Dallas about dmm |
| 19:13.19 | abrotman | jhanssen: lenny already has IW3 |
| 19:13.25 | jhanssen | really |
| 19:13.28 | abrotman | K_Dallas: i've heard acroread on linux is fairly unstable |
| 19:13.29 | jhanssen | good to know .. thanks .. |
| 19:13.32 | bsund | Is there any none email way to get in contact with iceweasel maintainer :) |
| 19:13.40 | abrotman | bsund: why would you? |
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| 19:13.56 | bsund | abrotman: that missing directory mess stuff up |
| 19:13.56 | spike | hi |
| 19:14.02 | abrotman | bsund: which directory is missing? |
| 19:14.03 | K_Dallas | abrotman, the last time i use acrobat6, it was way better than any other pdf reader on linux but never tried 8 on linux |
| 19:14.08 | bsund | abrotman: plugins |
| 19:14.10 | abrotman | K_Dallas: have fun |
| 19:14.10 | stew | bsund: what directory is missing? |
| 19:14.15 | spike | is anybody using dav, apache2.2, and pam to do both user and group auth under etch? |
| 19:14.16 | abrotman | bsund: in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ ? |
| 19:14.19 | snacky | xpdf is the best |
| 19:14.22 | bsund | abrotman: yes |
| 19:14.24 | K_Dallas | :) thanks abrotman . what about ff3 ? |
| 19:14.34 | K_Dallas | is it in unstable branch? |
| 19:14.35 | abrotman | !ff3 etch |
| 19:14.39 | Elite|Jeti | Anyone here a web host? |
| 19:14.40 | abrotman | !firefox 3 etch |
| 19:14.40 | dpkg | Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it (if you believe that a backport will ever come...), or http://linuxgazette.net/150/kapil.html |
| 19:14.42 | K_Dallas | oh :) |
| 19:14.50 | abrotman | K_Dallas: break at your own risk |
| 19:15.08 | K_Dallas | abrotman, I think I wait a bit longer for FF3 |
| 19:15.19 | enouf | Kulik: yeah, you likely will need that URLs fix, as even the Etchnhalf installer was not working properly for another person whom tried - but the Daily builds do - but that's testing/lenny |
| 19:15.24 | Elite|Jeti | Anyone here a web host? |
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| 19:15.39 | stew | Elite|Jeti: lots of people, just ask your real question |
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| 19:15.57 | bsund | abrotman: Rather it is /usr/lib/plugins/ that is missing, but I think that was what you meant. :) |
| 19:16.04 | enouf | abrotman: acroread works fine here, fwiw - i don't recall any crashes |
| 19:16.15 | Elite|Jeti | well stew: I was wondering what they used for web based account management panels |
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| 19:16.26 | abrotman | bsund: no .. that is not the right place at all |
| 19:16.39 | bsund | sry /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ |
| 19:16.57 | abrotman | yes .. that should be there .. did you look for it? does /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ exist ? |
| 19:16.57 | bsund | One beer to many :) |
| 19:17.21 | adama | Elite|Jeti I use Plesk |
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| 19:17.58 | enouf | K_Dallas: acroread is in the dmm repos, if you wanted it |
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| 19:18.03 | bsund | I thought since i just did a fresh install, and most people do upgrades.. It might be of interest that it's b0rked :) |
| 19:18.10 | Elite|Jeti | Anyone use ISP-CP? |
| 19:18.17 | stew | Elite|Jeti: you'll find that many don't use any |
| 19:18.20 | adama | it is not very good. not compatible with Debian (their website will say it is but don't believe it :P |
| 19:18.40 | malgar | where can i find a list of the software that will be packaged and those work in progress? |
| 19:18.42 | Elite|Jeti | It is I am running it right now :) |
| 19:18.45 | Elite|Jeti | so ha |
| 19:18.49 | abrotman | !tell malgar about wnpp |
| 19:18.53 | adama | I mean Plesk |
| 19:18.59 | Elite|Jeti | Oh lol |
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| 19:21.23 | simonrvn | !wip |
| 19:21.23 | dpkg | wip is probably "Work In Progress" |
| 19:21.30 | simonrvn | !rfp |
| 19:21.30 | dpkg | well, rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
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| 19:21.35 | jhanssen | !iso |
| 19:21.35 | dpkg | iso is, like, a cd-image. CD images of debian are available at http://www.debian.org/CD, debian-cd.com, http://www.linuxiso.org, something I do with needle and thread, ask me about <netinst>, a 32 MB bootable base-installation ISO, jigdo, ask me about <jigdo>, did I mention <jigdo>?, see <create cd image>, a partially-correct way of referring ISO 9660, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 19:21.41 | simonrvn | malgar: ^^^ |
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| 19:22.23 | wasynyt | hmm |
| 19:22.24 | enouf | !wayttd jhanssen |
| 19:22.24 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, jhanssen? |
| 19:22.39 | wasynyt | seems like the latest debian installer is nicely broken |
| 19:22.45 | jhanssen | enouf, nothing .. sorry man ... |
| 19:23.03 | enouf | jhanssen: and did you know you can can private message the bot? ;-) "/msg dpkg <keyword>" |
| 19:23.14 | enouf | no worries |
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| 19:24.34 | bsund | abrotman: sorry for late answer, was spending my attention at the alcohol ;) .. I neither have /usr/lib/firefox or /usr/lib/mozilla |
| 19:24.46 | Orbixx | updatedb |
| 19:24.48 | Orbixx | locate firefox |
| 19:24.50 | Orbixx | locate mozilla |
| 19:25.03 | abrotman | bsund: but you have a /usr/lib/iceweasel/ ? |
| 19:25.11 | bsund | abrotman: ofcourse |
| 19:25.29 | bsund | I have flash up and running now :) |
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| 19:26.00 | bsund | it's just that the iceweasel package forget to make the 'plugins' directory |
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| 19:26.20 | bsund | and that is why I want to notice maintainer about it |
| 19:26.31 | stew | bsund: the debian installer for the flash plugin works fine. if the adobe installer for the flash plugin doesn't work, it seems like adobe's problem |
| 19:26.32 | tote | hi, im using a software raid1 + encrypted setup, when i cp many or large files my load goes up to like 4-6 and it gets kinda unusable, shouldn't an intel e7200 be able to handle the encryption? |
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| 19:27.19 | enouf | tote: did you ever get LiLo installed - or did you use grub? grub1 or grub? |
| 19:27.31 | enouf | bah - grub1 or grub2 i mean |
| 19:27.33 | bsund | stew: might very well be so.. but what we are talking about is one single directory.. I think that is worth sacrificing for compatibility :) |
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| 19:29.17 | wasynyt | grub2.. just got errors and then when i got it to boot it had broken the links so that the system did not load |
| 19:29.41 | bsund | It isn't like the 'plugins' directory is used only by evil corporations.. |
| 19:29.43 | enouf | tote: and .. can you try the lenny .26 kernel, to see if your issue gets better - see packages.debian.org and search for linux-image-2.6.26 in lenny |
| 19:29.50 | Kulik | enouf: thx for your help, after finally finishing it, I found out I forgot swap, so I had to redo it :-D |
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| 19:30.11 | bsund | although I truly respect your point |
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| 19:30.25 | enouf | Kulik: and that was your issue? |
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| 19:30.41 | bsund | but wth it's just a fucking directory ;) |
| 19:30.42 | tote | enouf: i used grub, grub --version says 0.97, and already using 2.6.26 :) |
| 19:30.46 | Kulik | enouf: manually creating RAID0 over two RAID1 md devices |
| 19:31.08 | enouf | tote: oh, yeah, daily testing netinstall .. duh |
| 19:31.13 | stew | bsund: yes, i have a plugins directory. there are are bunch of plugins in it. it was not created by the iceweasel pacakge, but by other packages that wanted to install plugins, which seems simple enough to me as well |
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| 19:31.17 | stew | bsund: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 19:31.28 | enouf | Kulik: and that requires a swap? |
| 19:31.58 | enouf | Kulik: i know what raid10 is ;-) you mentioned something about .. oh nm |
| 19:32.09 | bsund | stew: hah bug reporting bot :) will check it out |
| 19:32.12 | Kulik | enouf: nvm, I just wanted to thank you |
| 19:32.28 | enouf | Kulik: no prob, it's all good ;-) |
| 19:32.51 | bsund | stew: didn't work :/ |
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| 19:33.18 | bsund | nvm |
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| 19:33.44 | veganlion | how can i change console-font in debian like default to terminus-font ? |
| 19:33.45 | stew | dpkg: tell bsund about reportbug |
| 19:33.49 | bsund | "bug" pointed to website, wasn't as kewl as i thought |
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| 19:34.50 | tote | enouf: any other ideas? :) |
| 19:35.12 | bsund | but thanks! i'll file a bug on the website and hopefully dodge the politics :) |
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| 19:35.58 | stew | bsund: there isn't a website from which you can file a bug yet |
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| 19:36.22 | enouf | tote: not really - try maybe lbs.sourceforge.net , use vmstat, top/htop, iotop to check it out from all angles |
| 19:37.14 | enouf | tote: i mean, try to isolate exactly where the bottleneck is - make sure cat /proc/cpuinfo reports all cores, check dmesg. etc |
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| 19:39.25 | PaulTT | Hi all, it looks like my hard drive might be failing.. for some reason, I'm getting "read only filesystem" whenever I try to do any file manipulation. Any ideas on what might cause that? I'm su'ed into root and still cannot create or delete files. /var/log/messages shows some scsi errors. |
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| 19:40.51 | JPT | PaulTT: what file system are you using ? |
| 19:40.54 | Lagbolt | PaulTT, best BACK it up |
| 19:40.57 | enouf | tote: there are ways you could use taskset, and nice,renice,ionice to maybe help, but that seems like a workaround - though, i'm pretty sure, cp, mv, rsync, etc are not multithread aware - not certain though |
| 19:41.12 | PaulTT | JPT: I think ext3--is there a way I can determine that? |
| 19:41.23 | JPT | err...you should know it... |
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| 19:41.31 | JPT | fdisk /dev/>device> |
| 19:41.33 | PaulTT | It's been quite a while since I've set this system up. |
| 19:41.37 | JPT | and then type "p" |
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| 19:41.52 | JPT | it should print the partition table including file system type |
| 19:42.01 | yigal | if I want to use the shiniest version of a program, but create a .deb package using the debian folder inside of the source of an existing package is there any documentation on how to do this? |
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| 19:42.32 | PaulTT | JPT: nothing prints. |
| 19:42.44 | PaulTT | just the headers.. device boot, start, end.. etc. no values thoug. |
| 19:42.45 | enouf | PaulTT: file -s /dev/name1 |
| 19:42.49 | JPT | err... |
| 19:43.06 | PaulTT | enouf: thanks.. it's ext3 |
| 19:43.14 | stew | yigal: have a look at uupdate from debscripts |
| 19:43.15 | tote | enouf: ok thanks, i will try to isolate the problem first :) |
| 19:43.19 | JPT | okay... then you should check if it is mounted read-only |
| 19:43.23 | stew | yigal: err devscripts |
| 19:43.26 | JPT | and if it is, why it has been |
| 19:43.29 | yigal | stew: thanks will, right :) |
| 19:43.36 | PaulTT | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:44.04 | JPT | okay, then you should run something that's repairing it... |
| 19:44.11 | JPT | i don't know how the tool is called.. |
| 19:44.11 | PaulTT | JPT: I know it's mounted read-only--it's telling me that. I'm asking why and what can I do? |
| 19:44.33 | wols | PaulTT: fsck? |
| 19:44.38 | veganlion | which file is the coonfig for console-font !? |
| 19:44.39 | JPT | exactly that |
| 19:44.43 | veganlion | *config |
| 19:45.11 | enouf | veganlion: i think in /etc/console/* |
| 19:45.18 | veganlion | enouf, thx |
| 19:45.24 | enouf | or /etc/console-tools/* one of those |
| 19:45.30 | yigal | stew: so I can "cd $debianized_packaged && uupdate $path_to_new_version" and it has a chance of working awesome :) |
| 19:45.33 | PaulTT | wols? |
| 19:45.34 | veganlion | console-tools is a tool? |
| 19:45.40 | n3kl | package |
| 19:45.46 | veganlion | console-setup* |
| 19:45.47 | wols | PaulTT: did you fsck? |
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| 19:45.52 | enouf | yes - but i meant a file in the dir/ |
| 19:45.58 | veganlion | ok |
| 19:46.01 | wols | veganlion: console-tools is a package |
| 19:46.04 | wols | veganlion: /etc/console-tools/config |
| 19:46.10 | enouf | veganlion: so is console-data - /msg dpkg keymap |
| 19:46.16 | enouf | right, config |
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| 19:46.29 | PaulTT | wols: I didn't do anything--I just saw mysql errors, logged in, and saw that while i was trying to myisamchk that I was getting mounted as read-only errors. tail /var/log/messages showed scsi errors |
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| 19:46.57 | wols | PaulTT: smartmontools and fsck |
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| 19:48.36 | subsume | What log would fill if a cron job failed? |
| 19:48.48 | wols | subsume: you get a mail |
| 19:48.57 | subsume | wols: I don't think I have that set up correctly. |
| 19:49.01 | windowshasyou | for someone that is coming from ubuntu, which is the better of the two to install; etch or lenny? |
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| 19:49.15 | Kulik | So does anyone have an idea how does Debian detect RAID volumes when it can't read mdadm.conf? Does it perform some sort of auto check? I have RAID10 installed nicely with RAID1 boot, I am now kinda scared to hit reboot ;) |
| 19:49.18 | pistache | windowshasyou: Lenny for me |
| 19:49.19 | windowshasyou | or does it matter? |
| 19:49.34 | windowshasyou | pistache: I'll try that one |
| 19:49.36 | justin | Kulik: the mdadm.conf is added the the initrd |
| 19:49.38 | n3kl | Kulik: should be alright |
| 19:49.57 | justin | Kulik: and linux also does some autoconfiguration |
| 19:50.02 | Kulik | justin: the problem is, that I don't have mdadm.conf in /etc |
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| 19:50.11 | justin | Kulik: so make one? |
| 19:50.12 | n3kl | Kulik: so write one |
| 19:50.21 | Kulik | justin: and even if I made it, how to add this to initrd? |
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| 19:50.27 | enouf | Kulik: your initrd should handle it, and check out /etc/default/mdadm |
| 19:50.31 | wols | Kulik: configure your kernel |
| 19:50.46 | enouf | Kulik: man update-initramfs |
| 19:50.57 | wols | enouf: just dpkg-reconfigure the kernel |
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| 19:51.04 | n3kl | Kulik: mdadm --detail --scan |
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| 19:51.33 | hipodilski | I know hat it might be a dumb question and this could be not the right place to ask it but still, I'm gona ask it, I'm running latest skype on a Debian system for some reason users does not have pictures showing, is that a bug? Have somebody else faced the same problem? thnx in advance |
| 19:51.50 | enouf | wols: that won't be enough if the proper modules aren't added to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules (or /hooks, or /scripts) dependig on purpose |
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| 19:52.17 | Kulik | thanks everyone, I made the mdadm.conf, so just update-initramfs should do the trick I guess |
| 19:52.29 | enouf | Kulik: see docs in /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* |
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| 19:52.42 | Elite|Jeti | Anyone here use IPS-CP? |
| 19:52.48 | enouf | all this is well documented - not to mention the manpages for mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 19:53.03 | Elite|Jeti | ISP-CP* |
| 19:53.14 | Kulik | it seems update-initramfs isn't included in the installation cd :(( |
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| 19:53.43 | enouf | Kulik: if you are still within the installation cd, follow those steps outlined in the url i showed you |
| 19:54.21 | enouf | Kulik: and it most certainly is there |
| 19:56.11 | yigal | stew: uupdate worked nicely, thanks |
| 19:56.24 | Kulik | enouf: yeah, I did that |
| 19:56.25 | enouf | Kulik: i have a /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf (though i'm on lenny/sid) |
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| 19:56.56 | Kulik | enouf: now it just seems that there is no linux image on /boot :-/ perhaps it's just me being over-paranoid, but update-initramfs didn't find it too :-D |
| 19:57.13 | pistache | !paste |
| 19:57.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 19:57.50 | enouf | Kulik: if you run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` mkinitramfs-kpkg will run auto |
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| 19:58.10 | brightwebworks | How do I allocate more memory for a program? |
| 19:58.15 | enouf | Kulik: you have no linux-image-* ? |
| 19:58.20 | enouf | gah |
| 19:58.50 | azeem | brightwebworks: in what context? |
| 19:58.59 | azeem | brightwebworks: programs allocate memory themselves usually |
| 19:59.05 | subsume | how do I know where my root mails go? |
| 19:59.07 | Kulik | enouf: I am fixing it right now |
| 19:59.11 | enouf | Kulik: the kernel is vmlinuz-version, and the initrd, is initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686, same for System.map |
| 19:59.17 | brightwebworks | azeem: prioritize memory for a specific program...more memory for it and less for others |
| 19:59.29 | azeem | brightwebworks: terminate the others |
| 19:59.43 | enouf | Kulik: your version is different |
| 19:59.46 | azeem | brightwebworks: or maybe ulimit them |
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| 20:00.03 | brightwebworks | azeem: I guess more physical memory will do it |
| 20:00.15 | azeem | or that |
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| 20:00.37 | brightwebworks | azeem: thanks |
| 20:00.44 | enouf | subsume: likely /var/mail/name ? .. hrm, or in /root ? |
| 20:00.59 | Kulik | enouf: ok, I am rebooting now :)) |
| 20:01.04 | enouf | subsume: i think /etc/syslog.conf should say, iirc |
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| 20:02.48 | enouf | brightwebworks: are you on x86_64? |
| 20:03.14 | brightwebworks | I wish |
| 20:03.15 | brightwebworks | ;-) |
| 20:03.27 | Kulik | enouf: works flawlessly, I definitely owe you a beer :-DD |
| 20:03.28 | brightwebworks | enouf: I am on an old junk ;-) for now |
| 20:03.43 | enouf | Kulik: good news - nice |
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| 20:04.20 | enouf | brightwebworks: well, a tmpfs might help a bit, but that can be swapped, a ramdisk won't be though - you should just add more RAM ;-) |
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| 20:05.01 | brightwebworks | anouf: I need to buy a new computer. Here is the problem, I want to buy state-of-the-art hardware and set it all up by myself. |
| 20:05.10 | brightwebworks | So I have been waiting and saving up for that |
| 20:05.10 | enouf | brightwebworks: using nice/renice will keep your app prioritized for CPU usage, but that's not allocating RAM ;-P |
| 20:05.13 | brightwebworks | for years :/ |
| 20:05.14 | PaulTT | wols: I don't have smartmontools installed, but fsck is.. can I run fsck now or do I need to reboot? |
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| 20:05.43 | zinx | PaulTT: you can install smartmontools with aptitude or apt-get or whatever your favority package manager is |
| 20:05.45 | Jac1d | Where can I find a copy of debian/rules for vlc 8.6h? |
| 20:05.49 | enouf | brightwebworks: listen - you can purchase like Intel core2duo combo packages (mob/cpu/ram) from newegg for ~ 200$ |
| 20:05.56 | zinx | s/y/e :x |
| 20:06.15 | dondelelcaro | Jac1d: it's in unstable; apt-get source vlc; |
| 20:06.18 | PaulTT | I typed in fsck hoping to get some sort of option list (man doesn't work because it can't create tmp files) and it started running... spat out a bunch of block bitmap differences and is asking whether or not I want it to fix it. |
| 20:06.19 | enouf | brightwebworks: i've also seen PSUs on sale - etc etc |
| 20:06.25 | brightwebworks | enouf: I am aware of that. |
| 20:06.32 | PaulTT | zinx: the disk is mounted ro for some reason--I think the HD is failing. |
| 20:06.37 | enouf | brightwebworks: i bargain hunt for components :-P |
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| 20:06.42 | Jac1d | dondelelcaro, ok I installed that and I'm at a loss as where to look from there :) |
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| 20:06.48 | Kulik | shut |
| 20:06.51 | zinx | PaulTT: you can use a live cd - most of them have smartmontools |
| 20:07.03 | brightwebworks | enouf: I am just waiting on this economy to get a little better. The savings I have is a back up plan for a possible unemployment |
| 20:07.06 | PaulTT | zinx: remote server, not an option for me right now |
| 20:07.08 | zinx | PaulTT: if it's failing, you need to do a direct image of the drive and try recovering from that. |
| 20:07.13 | enouf | Kulik: shit? or did you mean /shut? as in /exit? or /quit? |
| 20:07.34 | PaulTT | zinx: I already have a backup--just wanting to try and recover this to a usable state while I bring up the new machine. |
| 20:08.11 | zinx | PaulTT: i'd try badblocks first then |
| 20:08.18 | zinx | PaulTT: rather than fsck |
| 20:08.24 | enouf | brightwebworks: well, what RAM does your system(s) use? i know where to get pc100/133 cheap - i just found 2x 1G RAM DDR-400 on newegg for like 50$ which is rare for SDRAM, non-DDR2 |
| 20:08.39 | zinx | PaulTT: if it reports bad blocks, you're probably not going to recover it to a usable state. |
| 20:08.43 | SidGBF | guys... is there a way to scan through a directory (recursively) and, when found a specific folder name, create another folder inside of it and copy all files of it to the new folder? Or, in a direct way, all foo/file.txt become foo/bar/file.txt |
| 20:09.02 | brightwebworks | enouf: it is an old laptop... |
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| 20:09.08 | Kulik | enouf: I am using two keyboards :)) I get confused a lot |
| 20:09.47 | Kulik | enouf: I meant shutdown :-DD |
| 20:09.48 | enouf | heh |
| 20:09.48 | Kulik | cu |
| 20:09.48 | Lagbolt | SidGBF, you can use "find" have it search and then execute a mkdir when it finds what you want |
| 20:09.48 | subsume | How can I change the address which root emails get sent? Its sending to root@somedomainIdon'twantisendto.com |
| 20:09.59 | subsume | i want it sent to root@otherdomain.com |
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| 20:10.05 | SidGBF | Lagbolt: mmm and the copy? any suggestion? |
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| 20:10.25 | enouf | subsume: maybe dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config? |
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| 20:10.37 | enouf | subsume: exim4 is likely your default MTA |
| 20:10.39 | xann | Hello getting this when starting openvpn: "Note: Cannot open TUN/TAP dev /dev/net/tun: No such device (errno=19)" (while /dev/net/tun clearly exists) (I recently upgraded my kernel) |
| 20:10.47 | Lagbolt | SidGBF, you can make find to it . . . it has an exec option. just have it find and then execute the commands you want |
| 20:10.54 | Lagbolt | SidGBF, man find |
| 20:10.54 | subsume | enouf: not installed |
| 20:11.06 | Lagbolt | SidGBF, or you can write a short BASH script |
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| 20:11.45 | enouf | subsume: i suck at email, another will chime in, hang in there |
| 20:11.51 | subsume | enouf: thanks. |
| 20:12.01 | Elite|Jeti | Anyone here use ISP_CP? |
| 20:12.22 | enouf | Elite|Jeti: try ##linux? |
| 20:12.28 | Elite|Jeti | Why/ |
| 20:12.30 | enouf | Elite|Jeti: try ##linux-help? |
| 20:12.39 | SidGBF | Lagbolt: I see... |
| 20:12.49 | enouf | Elite|Jeti: because i see you ask a few times - nobody seems to know .. yet |
| 20:13.15 | subsume | Can someone explain what mechanism handles the sending of root mail? I know I installed sendmail. |
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| 20:13.21 | enouf | Elite|Jeti: but "Anyone use...." are not considered valid questions by many ;-) |
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| 20:13.25 | subsume | But I wasn't sure if debian innards handled sending root messages or sendmail did |
| 20:13.43 | Lagbolt | SidGBF, let me see if i can find a good example |
| 20:13.46 | enouf | subsume: dpkg -L sendmail | grep doc |
| 20:14.26 | subsume | hmm. sendmail isn't installed. |
| 20:14.27 | elux | hey guys |
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| 20:14.32 | subsume | weird. |
| 20:14.44 | wols | szonek: but exim is |
| 20:14.47 | enouf | subsume: i'm pretty sure, either/or exim4 or sendmail is your MTA, both won't exist without some workarounds |
| 20:15.00 | subsume | right. how can I hunt this down? |
| 20:15.13 | enouf | subsume: dpkg -L exim4 | grep doc :-p |
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| 20:15.28 | elux | when i run apt-get install ruby, i get the error: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 20:15.28 | Lagbolt | SidGBF, something like . . . . find . -type d -iname "*foo*" -exec mkdir {}/bar; cp {}/* {}/bar/ \; ; |
| 20:15.36 | enouf | subsume: update-exim[tab][tab] |
| 20:15.37 | wols | subsume: why did you install sendmail? |
| 20:15.40 | justin | elux: apt-get update |
| 20:15.43 | subsume | wols I don't think I did |
| 20:15.54 | subsume | Or maybe I did install it with apt and not dpkg |
| 20:15.55 | elux | justin: you da man |
| 20:16.03 | wols | subsume: so what is installed |
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| 20:16.09 | wols | apt-get update |
| 20:16.28 | subsume | wols: doesn't tell me |
| 20:16.31 | elux | is there a way i can see all the packages which are outdated and need to be upgraded? |
| 20:16.40 | enouf | subsume: feelin a bit ditzy today? :-) |
| 20:16.44 | wols | subsume: as root, netstat -ap |grep -i smpt |
| 20:16.45 | subsume | Yes. |
| 20:16.47 | wols | subsume: as root, netstat -ap |grep -i smtp |
| 20:16.52 | abrotman | if you aptitude dist-upgrade .. it should show you the packages |
| 20:17.07 | wols | elux: apt-get dist-upgrade. it tells you before upgrading |
| 20:17.09 | ejer | is this the "right" way to do unattended upgrades? http://woozle.org/blogs/neale/2007-10-26T16:34:26Z - running etch |
| 20:17.19 | subsume | http://dpaste.com/80794/ |
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| 20:17.25 | subsume | wols ^ |
| 20:17.36 | ferret | ejer: Nice domain. :) |
| 20:17.42 | abrotman | ejer: that's absolutely an awful idea |
| 20:17.52 | wols | subsume: what debian version is this? |
| 20:17.56 | subsume | etch |
| 20:18.17 | ejer | how do you propose I install security updates automatically |
| 20:18.24 | wols | subsume: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 20:18.31 | abrotman | ejer: you really shouldn't |
| 20:18.39 | wols | ejer: very bad idea |
| 20:18.41 | subsume | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:18.46 | ejer | how so? |
| 20:18.50 | wols | subsume: you run postfix |
| 20:18.50 | jelly-home | ejer: in general, you don't want to do it in an unattended way unless you've tested the upgrade well |
| 20:19.01 | abrotman | ejer: you don't actually know what those upgrades do ... one of them could hose your box |
| 20:19.03 | subsume | postfix. yay. so how do I change the email address root messages are sent in postfix? |
| 20:19.06 | wols | subsume: edit your /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 20:19.06 | ejer | in debian stable? |
| 20:19.10 | subsume | thanks |
| 20:19.13 | jelly-home | ejer: yes. |
| 20:19.15 | abrotman | subsume: /etc/aliases |
| 20:19.27 | wols | abrotman: the domain part is fscked up, or so he says |
| 20:19.33 | abrotman | ejer: what you can do is use cron-apt .. and have it email you if there are updates |
| 20:19.36 | ejer | ok obviously I trust debian updates a little more :) |
| 20:19.43 | abrotman | ejer: you shouldn't :) |
| 20:19.45 | ejer | cron-apt ok |
| 20:19.46 | wols | ejer: that's foolish |
| 20:19.46 | subsume | wols: its true. it sends it to mail.anotherdomain.com |
| 20:19.52 | subsume | root@anotherdomain.com that is |
| 20:20.05 | ejer | when is last time debian updates had a serious problem? I have been using it for many years |
| 20:20.06 | elux | strange. im running etch and when i run apt-get dist-upgrade it says my ruby package is up-to-date, yet its using version 1.8.5 which is very old |
| 20:20.10 | ferret | ejer: The first time that way breaks it will cost you more time than you will ever spend typing one command then OKing it when it looks alright. ;p |
| 20:20.15 | wols | subsume: check main.conf and aliases |
| 20:20.18 | elux | should i be running lenny? |
| 20:20.30 | ejer | ya but getting hacked cause of bad ssh keys would cost even more time |
| 20:20.30 | subsume | where is main.conf wols? |
| 20:20.34 | wols | !info ruby etch |
| 20:20.40 | wols | subsume: main.cf |
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| 20:20.57 | subsume | Sorry. That's what I meant. main.cf |
| 20:21.09 | wols | subsume: scroll up. I told you |
| 20:21.09 | subsume | Where? |
| 20:21.11 | SidGBF | Lagbolt: :s find ./apps/ -type d -iname "templates" -execdir mkdir teste ; asks for another parameter... |
| 20:21.13 | subsume | l |
| 20:21.14 | ejer | but thx for cron-apt, and I will make sure I have backups ;) |
| 20:21.14 | subsume | k |
| 20:21.19 | dpkg | ruby: (An interpreter of object-oriented scripting language Ruby), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.8.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 20:21.29 | elux | right. |
| 20:21.30 | elux | very old |
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| 20:21.42 | elux | id like to have access to a 1.8.7 version.. maybe i need to change my sources.conf? |
| 20:21.55 | subsume | myhostname = mail2.theotherdomain.com |
| 20:21.59 | wols | !tell elux about backports |
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| 20:22.39 | subsume | > /etc/mailname simply contains 'theothername.com' |
| 20:23.00 | subsume | can I safely just change this to /etc/mynewname.com and expect to get root@therightaddress.com sent emails? |
| 20:23.15 | simonrvn | s/conf/list/ |
| 20:24.20 | Lagbolt | SidGBF, you seem to be missing something |
| 20:24.28 | SidGBF | no |
| 20:24.37 | SidGBF | the last ; needs a \ before it |
| 20:24.46 | Lagbolt | SidGBF, find ./apps/ -type d -iname "templates" -execdir mkdir teste \; |
| 20:24.46 | SidGBF | googled it just now |
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| 20:25.14 | elux | wols: great. thanks. the backports.org website the port i need. do i have to download the .deb file, or can i add the backports stuff to my sources somehow? |
| 20:25.19 | Lagbolt | SidGBF, you can add extra commands too for copying. as many -exec as you like |
| 20:26.11 | wols | elux: read the instructions |
| 20:26.13 | elux | found some instructions |
| 20:26.14 | elux | thx |
| 20:27.11 | SidGBF | mmmm |
| 20:27.17 | Lagbolt | mmmm what? |
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| 20:28.02 | Lagbolt | SidGBF, this doesnt do what you asked? . . . . find . -type d -iname "*foo*" -exec mkdir {}/bar \; -exec cp {}/* {}/bar/ \; ; |
| 20:28.18 | Lagbolt | you want to find foo mkdir in foo and copy all in foo to bar right? |
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| 20:30.14 | SidGBF | the cp isn't working |
| 20:30.48 | Elite|Jeti | is it safe to edit a file in /var/cache/bind/? |
| 20:31.24 | SidGBF | Lagbolt: cp: cannot stat `./foo/*.php': No such file or directory |
| 20:32.09 | Lagbolt | SidGBF, it makes the dir ok? |
| 20:32.17 | SidGBF | Lagbolt: yep |
| 20:32.30 | SidGBF | changed permissions and nothing |
| 20:33.32 | Lagbolt | SidGBF, well try tinkering with the second exec. maybe change it to "ls {}/*.php" just to see that it is in the right place |
| 20:34.11 | SidGBF | files appeared |
| 20:34.33 | SidGBF | correction |
| 20:34.43 | SidGBF | same error :s |
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| 20:35.25 | subsume | How can I verify that my root address is setup correctly? |
| 20:35.37 | Lagbolt | SidGBF, i think i got it |
| 20:35.46 | SidGBF | ? |
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| 20:35.52 | Lagbolt | hmm wait no. i think its the * |
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| 20:36.30 | SidGBF | I'll try % |
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| 20:37.11 | [1]Elite|Jeti | is it safe to edit a file in /var/cache/bind/? |
| 20:37.16 | abrotman | whihc file? |
| 20:37.30 | [1]Elite|Jeti | admin.domain.db |
| 20:37.51 | abrotman | is that where your bind zone files are? |
| 20:38.01 | SidGBF | Lagbolt: http://unix.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.unix.shell/2008-01/msg00538.html |
| 20:38.06 | [1]Elite|Jeti | I don't think so |
| 20:38.14 | bertoli | at the debian install there is a dhcp auto conf (ntwork), how can i run it again after i finished the install ?! |
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| 20:38.37 | wols | bertoli: can't. edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:39.32 | subsume | How can I prompt a root alert (mail sent) event to test whether its arriving at the right address? |
| 20:39.35 | SidGBF | yay |
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| 20:39.54 | wols | subsume: you don't. you check the reciving mailbox |
| 20:39.59 | wols | subsume: there are also logs |
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| 20:40.14 | guardian | hi |
| 20:40.33 | drbair_work | HOLY CRAP! |
| 20:40.44 | drbair_work | I got kerberized cifs mounts working! |
| 20:40.44 | guardian | i'm looking into setting up a backup for my linux boxes, is there something you would recommend ? backupninja ? duplicity ? boxbackup ? else ? |
| 20:40.50 | drbair_work | its a miracle! |
| 20:40.52 | meeero | having a primary x-session on tty7, how do i start another one on the next tty, executing a specified command? i'd like to start a program on tty8 and if possible, let that other one session terminate after that program exits |
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| 20:40.58 | acu | I want to capture VIDEO and AUDIO from my WEBCAM - is anything out there I can use ? |
| 20:41.20 | drbair_work | now to file that bug... |
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| 20:41.37 | [1]Elite|Jeti | abrot man |
| 20:41.47 | bertoli | wols isnt there a autoconf ?! |
| 20:41.59 | Tramp | guardian: I'm using backuppc happily |
| 20:42.15 | guardian | ah yeah backuppc is the summer of code project ? |
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| 20:42.26 | Tramp | no idea |
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| 20:42.40 | guardian | i'm having hard times figuring out if there is one better than (or at least more active) than the other:) |
| 20:42.46 | subsume | ping. sorry I got booted. Could you repeat ,if you said anything, wols? |
| 20:43.16 | wols | subsume: you don't. you check the reciving mailbox. there are also logs |
| 20:43.22 | guardian | Tramp: ah no, in fact it's simple backup the one resulting from google soc |
| 20:43.29 | subsume | wols: Can you please tell me how to check the receiving mailbox? |
| 20:43.32 | subsume | wols and also what logs?? |
| 20:43.33 | enouf | bertoli: what exactly is your issue? |
| 20:43.41 | justin | acu: mencoder |
| 20:43.41 | wols | subsume: /var/spool/mail/ by default |
| 20:44.09 | [1]Elite|Jeti | where is the bind folder usually? |
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| 20:44.17 | [1]Elite|Jeti | I completely forget :P |
| 20:44.21 | justin | folder? |
| 20:44.42 | [1]Elite|Jeti | yea lke is it /etc/bind? |
| 20:45.09 | subsume | wols: the last thing in there is from Febuary |
| 20:45.27 | wols | subsume: read all I wrote |
| 20:45.31 | bertoli | enouf i have to configure my adsl connection |
| 20:45.33 | subsume | > /var/spool/mail/root that is |
| 20:45.52 | subsume | wols Read all you wrote? You just said that. I was booted. Maybe I missed what you wrote. |
| 20:45.54 | wols | bertoli: pppoe? |
| 20:45.58 | bertoli | wols yes |
| 20:46.05 | wols | subsume: I repeated it, I won't write it a third time |
| 20:46.08 | Tramp | guardian: choosing a (backup) software is mainly about being clear about one's requirements, then trying to match those against the software's features, trying to filter out marketing. With free software there is a little less marketing-hype than with commercial software. |
| 20:46.10 | wols | bertoli: get pppoeconf |
| 20:46.13 | subsume | You said check the receiving mailbox |
| 20:46.14 | torrr | anyone know xmodmap mod1... mod5? |
| 20:46.24 | wols | !tell torrr about anyone |
| 20:46.28 | [1]Elite|Jeti | okay guys I have an issue |
| 20:46.33 | wols | subsume: learn to read. have a nice day |
| 20:46.35 | subsume | and 3 times I asked you how I check the receiving mailbox |
| 20:46.35 | bertoli | wols ok, ill try, tknz |
| 20:46.43 | subsume | wols dick. |
| 20:46.44 | torrr | what is xmodmap mod1... mod5? |
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| 20:46.46 | elux | wols: where do i set the key for backports? |
| 20:46.47 | subsume | Jesus christ. |
| 20:46.52 | guardian | Tramp: less hype but more alpha versions which will never evolve :) |
| 20:46.52 | enouf | bertoli: ugh; well, all i know is to see netcfg/disable_dhcp http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s02.html |
| 20:47.15 | wols | elux: read the instructions more carefully |
| 20:47.16 | [1]Elite|Jeti | wols |
| 20:47.18 | bertoli | enouf ill read. tknz |
| 20:47.30 | wols | bertoli: use pppoeconf, it's the easiest way |
| 20:47.31 | subsume | I'm sitting here spending lots of energy asking for elaborations and, in typical IRC nose-in-the-air style, you're just giving vague terse one-liners and dodging all direct questions. |
| 20:47.34 | enouf | bertoli: but obviously, i guess you'd need to restart the installer from beginning - but maybe you can do some things from alt-f2 shell |
| 20:47.49 | subsume | And when I actually do waht you say I'm ignored |
| 20:47.58 | wols | subsume: do you pay anyone here? we are volunteers. with your attitude you will solve your own problems without help. HAND |
| 20:47.58 | Tramp | guardian: indeed. But it's usually not too hard to find out, which projects are still active and which are "reasonably mature" |
| 20:48.02 | subsume | The last damn thing in spool/mail/root is from fucking Febuary so obviously that's not it |
| 20:48.21 | wols | subsume: if you are unable to read stuff I wrote twice it's not my problem |
| 20:48.28 | subsume | wols: yeah, and when I help others I try to actually see them through instead of dodging |
| 20:48.34 | torrr | anyone knows the name of an x11 channel here? |
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| 20:48.35 | subsume | wols: you said many things twice and three times. |
| 20:48.36 | enouf | wols: he said he got disconnected |
| 20:48.49 | subsume | wols you said "Check the receiving mail" and you won't explain what the fuck this actually means |
| 20:48.55 | Tramp | guardian: and for a backup-SW maturity is of course much more important than for, let's say a video editing software 8) |
| 20:48.57 | abrotman | hey .. tone it down a bit |
| 20:48.57 | wols | enouf: and I repeated it all. both suggestions. but it's no use. subsume: please stop talking to me and stop the ad hominems |
| 20:49.04 | guardian | indeed |
| 20:49.15 | enouf | ok |
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| 20:49.24 | subsume | I got booted twice. I don't know what the hell he said. |
| 20:49.46 | subsume | Check the receiving mail. hmmm.. gee isn't that what I'm trying to verify in the first place. maybe he didn't read that |
| 20:49.52 | subsume | Anyway, can someone else please help me with this simple problem |
| 20:49.59 | subsume | I am trying to figure out WHAT ADDRESS server mail is being sent to |
| 20:50.06 | subsume | I THINK i have it right due to the kind suggestions by enouf |
| 20:50.07 | enouf | subsume: then save logs? i doubt you'll get much honey using vinegar :-P |
| 20:50.11 | wols | !tell subsume about enter |
| 20:50.11 | abrotman | subsume: which server mail? to root? |
| 20:50.14 | Tramp | guardian: so I use backuppc for 2 years now, made some restores and am overall happy. Though I only run a small home-network with a handful systems. I cannot say, how well it scales or behaves in a different environment - that's what I meant with requriements |
| 20:50.22 | subsume | wols: don't talk to me then, either buddy. |
| 20:50.31 | subsume | abrotman: yes, to root. |
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| 20:50.38 | abrotman | subsume: stop already .. just get the help you need .. leave wols alone |
| 20:50.43 | abrotman | subsume: grep root /etc/aliases |
| 20:50.53 | abrotman | anything come up? |
| 20:50.55 | subsume | abrotman: I changed my /etc/mailname to another domain. I'm assuming it gets sent to root@whatever-is-in-that-file |
| 20:50.56 | justin | backuppc is nicer.. would be nicer if it saved whole md5sums and could periodically check the backups though |
| 20:50.58 | enouf | Tramp: do you use it also with windows machines? across samba and stuff? |
| 20:51.14 | Tramp | enouf: no. I don't do win* |
| 20:51.20 | subsume | abrotman: it just says 'postmaster:root' |
| 20:51.23 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 20:51.23 | dpkg | it has been said that \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 20:51.28 | guardian | Tramp: thx for the feeback |
| 20:51.33 | Tramp | yw |
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| 20:51.44 | n3kl | subsume: add root:shizzle@bla.com er wherever you want it to go |
| 20:51.48 | abrotman | subsume: so root's mail is going to root .. |
| 20:51.59 | subsume | abrotman: root@WHAT?!?!?! |
| 20:52.00 | abrotman | subsume: if you add an alias and run newaliases .. it shouhld go somewhere else |
| 20:52.01 | n3kl | subsume: I just add my local username like, root:user |
| 20:52.13 | abrotman | subsume: root@wherever.you.want.it.com |
| 20:52.16 | enouf | Tramp: ok - just checking - i know it's a 'feature' and i had it installed, but never got around to using it - btw, no need to backup my win98 crap here either :-P |
| 20:52.21 | abrotman | erm .. address@foo.com |
| 20:52.32 | subsume | root@how-on-earth-do-i-find-out-what-this-is.com |
| 20:52.44 | subsume | root@i-am-trying-to-figure-this-out.com |
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| 20:53.02 | n3kl | subsume: read the man page man, its an alias, not rocket science |
| 20:53.06 | Tramp | enouf: yeah. Was just about to say that if I did windows, I'd probably not have anything on it worth backing up 8) |
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| 20:53.17 | enouf | haha |
| 20:53.30 | Samuel-NotAFK | What do I need to add to /etc/fstab to get my MS reader working? |
| 20:53.33 | subsume | n3kl: its an alias to the root username? |
| 20:53.36 | enouf | subsume: are you trying to mail to localhost? |
| 20:53.56 | n3kl | subsume: yeah, aren't you tring to redirect all mail destined to root to someone else? |
| 20:53.57 | enouf | subsume: or a domain? even localhost.localdomain ? |
| 20:54.12 | wols | Samuel-NotAFK: I don't think it would work at all |
| 20:54.22 | n3kl | Samuel-NotAFK: just mount it like any other device |
| 20:54.25 | subsume | I feel like I'm playing "Who's on third" |
| 20:54.28 | enouf | subsume: i think /etc/hosts might play a role there - but wtf do i know :-P |
| 20:54.55 | Samuel-NotAFK | n3kl: I don't even know how to do that. :( |
| 20:55.08 | wols | !tell Samuel-NotAFK about usb storage |
| 20:55.28 | subsume | enouf: now etc/hosts has something to do with it |
| 20:55.30 | subsume | wow |
| 20:55.32 | subsume | ok |
| 20:55.41 | subsume | it just says localhost |
| 20:55.44 | justin | subsume: how about this. |
| 20:55.45 | enouf | subsume: i don't do email, and all system mail goes to my /var/mail/username - and apt-listchanges mails to there, and that can be set through a dpkg-reconfigure .. |
| 20:55.47 | xann | Hello: getting this when starting openvpn: "Note: Cannot open TUN/TAP dev /dev/net/tun: No such device (errno=19)" (while /dev/net/tun clearly exists) (I recently upgraded my kernel) |
| 20:55.52 | subsume | justin: some rude thing coming up? |
| 20:55.53 | justin | subsume: what the hell are you trying to accomplish? |
| 20:55.54 | n3kl | subsume: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:56.04 | subsume | I just want to know where my cron error mails are being delivered |
| 20:56.13 | justin | subsume: then read the mail server logs |
| 20:56.19 | wols | xann: isn't it just tun0? seen by ifconfig -a ? |
| 20:56.20 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.24 | enouf | ? |
| 20:56.28 | enouf | hides |
| 20:56.30 | n3kl | subsume: root |
| 20:56.38 | n3kl | subsume: there you have it |
| 20:56.47 | drbair_work | claps excitedly |
| 20:56.47 | Elite|Jeti | okay guys I have an issue |
| 20:56.47 | subsume | n3kl: root. gotcha. that's amazing. thanks. |
| 20:56.50 | n3kl | subsume: try mutt -f /var/mail/root |
| 20:56.57 | craigevil | subsume: open a console login as root type mail |
| 20:57.01 | wols | enouf: what is this log you speak of? |
| 20:57.05 | enouf | subsume: ls /var/mail/* ? |
| 20:57.29 | subsume | ideally I'd like this to go somewhere else. |
| 20:57.44 | subsume | so I can pop it via my google apps email stuff. |
| 20:57.55 | n3kl | subsume: so use the /etc/aliases file to redirect the mail |
| 20:58.05 | abrotman | is it a real server? with a static IP? if it's not, something like gmail or yahoo isn't likely to accept it |
| 20:58.11 | enouf | wols: hrm, no cron log there :-P maybe mail.log ? |
| 20:58.12 | n3kl | subsume: good luck getting it to use google though |
| 20:58.28 | wols | abrotman: there is always sasl-auth |
| 20:58.37 | abrotman | wols: i'm not going down that road :) |
| 20:58.39 | justin | enouf: /var/log/exim*/* usually |
| 20:58.48 | subsume | does anyone know how postfix's use of /etc/mailname might play into this? |
| 20:59.02 | enouf | justin: aye, ok - that's only if exim4 is acting MTA, correct? |
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| 20:59.14 | n3kl | wols: how could you make that work? Have your mta auth to gmail and use their server to mail out? |
| 20:59.16 | justin | enouf: which it is by default |
| 20:59.16 | enouf | (exim*) |
| 20:59.31 | abrotman | subsume: if i had to guess .. that's for sending .. what it appends to the email address .. like you'd get mail from subsume@</etc/mailname> |
| 20:59.38 | enouf | justin: that i knew :-p but earlier, there was discussions about sendmail and postfix - dunno |
| 20:59.39 | n3kl | wols: if thats what you are talking about, I have been looking for a howto on that subject for a very long time |
| 20:59.40 | abrotman | oh wait .. nevermind .. you can configure that in postfix |
| 20:59.43 | subsume | abrotman: danke. |
| 20:59.44 | wols | n3kl: yes. use google as a smarthost |
| 20:59.52 | abrotman | ignore what i said |
| 21:00.04 | subsume | k |
| 21:00.06 | subsume | thx |
| 21:00.06 | PaulTT | how do I rename my machine? (i.e. the name preceding the command prompt?) |
| 21:00.07 | tuxcrafter | hello eveybody i got a major 100% repeatable bug here, when running totem-xine with a dvb or avi file and using oowriter that has focus my oowriter file menu keep popping up unwanted |
| 21:00.07 | n3kl | wols: smarthost with auth? |
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| 21:00.16 | tuxcrafter | can somebody check this on there sytstem |
| 21:00.17 | n3kl | PaulTT: vi /etc/hostname |
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| 21:00.25 | wols | n3kl: for postfix, look for sasl-auth |
| 21:00.32 | tuxcrafter | i use debian sid btw |
| 21:00.39 | PaulTT | n3kl: thanks! |
| 21:00.43 | abrotman | !tell tuxcrafter about bts |
| 21:00.47 | justin | enouf: when in doubt, I just go into /var/log, touch /tmp/foo;sleep 30;find -newer /tmp/foo |
| 21:00.48 | subsume | My issue is I know for a fact mail is somehow going to root@otherdomain.com beacuse my friend says he gets those messages. |
| 21:00.53 | enouf | tuxcrafter: sounds like a OO.o bug? |
| 21:01.01 | subsume | And yet I don't know what mechanism is controlling this. All anyone is saying is it goes to 'root' |
| 21:01.08 | justin | subsume: grep otherdomain -r /etc |
| 21:01.15 | enouf | justin: heh |
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| 21:01.26 | tuxcrafter | enouf: it keeps pupping up |
| 21:01.27 | justin | ah, time to go home :) |
| 21:01.33 | subsume | lucky you. =) |
| 21:01.42 | subsume | fuck it. obviously I'm too stupid to do any of this. thanks guys. |
| 21:01.42 | enouf | tuxcrafter: shoot it? |
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| 21:01.51 | enouf | !shoot the oowriter popup |
| 21:01.51 | dpkg | blows the oowriter popup away with a German Luger |
| 21:01.59 | n3kl | why is exim default for debian over postfix? |
| 21:02.04 | enouf | ... |
| 21:02.10 | wols | n3kl: cause back in the day postfix didn't exist |
| 21:02.15 | elux | wols: ive read, http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 21:02.21 | elux | wols: it makes no mention of a necessary key |
| 21:02.22 | n3kl | wols: ah |
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| 21:02.53 | wols | elux: you lie. that very page does |
| 21:02.57 | elux | wols: im sorry. |
| 21:03.03 | elux | wols: indeed it does. :| |
| 21:03.17 | shiloh7_ | can anyone point me to a wiki/forum page for recomended/must packages after install? |
| 21:03.23 | shiloh7_ | <------new user |
| 21:03.27 | n3kl | wols: so right now I have a postfix mailserver where all my cronjobs from my various machines go. In theory, would it be possible to leave this config the same, but all mail destined to addresses which are not my local domain, be sent through gmail with sasl-auth? |
| 21:03.33 | wols | shiloh7_: does not exist. there is no "must have" packages |
| 21:03.46 | wols | n3kl: yes |
| 21:03.56 | shiloh7_ | wols, lemme rephrase, |
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| 21:04.01 | wols | mail to the local domain isn't sent out |
| 21:04.06 | beardy | Well, those that are, are installed now, for you. If you have installed. |
| 21:04.10 | enouf | shiloh7_: if you use aptitude in lenny, it defaults to installing "Recommends" maybe it does so in Etch as well? |
| 21:04.13 | shiloh7_ | codecs, pidgin, some games, etc |
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| 21:04.23 | tuxcrafter | enouf: when i play video with kaffeine the oowriter file menu does not popup |
| 21:04.25 | wols | shiloh7_: let me say the same: there is no such thing |
| 21:04.27 | shiloh7_ | i have installed etchnhalf |
| 21:04.31 | beardy | shiloh7_: If that is what you want, then there you have it. |
| 21:04.32 | adama | how do I disable DPMS, I want it so the screen never turns off. Gnome, lenny |
| 21:04.37 | tuxcrafter | it only happens with totem-xine and video |
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| 21:05.42 | enouf | shiloh7_: i think you can add this APT::Install-Recommends="true"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends |
| 21:05.51 | tuxcrafter | jups it just keep poping up the menu |
| 21:06.12 | wols | enouf: not what he wants... |
| 21:06.12 | enouf | oh |
| 21:06.13 | tuxcrafter | extremely wierd |
| 21:06.13 | enouf | shiloh7_: nm then |
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| 21:06.15 | wols | enouf: he wants !the best apps" for a given task |
| 21:06.21 | enouf | shiloh7_: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:06.25 | craigevil | apt does recommends by default |
| 21:06.33 | enouf | shiloh7_: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 21:06.35 | wols | craigevil: not in etch IIRC. lenny onwards |
| 21:06.37 | enouf | craigevil: not in Etch |
| 21:06.48 | enouf | 0.7.x versions |
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| 21:06.56 | craigevil | hehe i always forget about etch |
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| 21:07.02 | enouf | me too |
| 21:07.22 | craigevil | my eeepc runs lenny and I have sid on both my desktops |
| 21:07.33 | academy | Debian detects my two e1000 network cards at boot - they're in dmesg, but once the box has booted they're suddenly missing with no error. Does anyone know why this might be? |
| 21:07.40 | enouf | something major change is in 0.7.0 and another in 0.7.4 ? Install apt-listchanges ftw \o/ |
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| 21:07.49 | wols | academy: ifconfig -a |
| 21:07.54 | reverse | does debian come with mono ? |
| 21:07.59 | reverse | out of box |
| 21:07.59 | wols | reverse: yes |
| 21:08.02 | dasickis | hey what's the best way to download files on a spotty connection? |
| 21:08.04 | dasickis | wget? |
| 21:08.05 | wols | reverse: not really |
| 21:08.07 | dasickis | or rsync? |
| 21:08.14 | reverse | wols, I have to check something ? |
| 21:08.16 | academy | wols: no, they're not there. |
| 21:08.19 | reverse | I am talking on mono runtime |
| 21:08.24 | wols | reverse: you have to install something. mone to be exact |
| 21:08.25 | reverse | not compiler |
| 21:08.27 | enouf | dasickis: wget -c will continue |
| 21:08.33 | academy | wols: it's as if they were never detected |
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| 21:08.34 | reverse | wols, no tomboy out of box ? |
| 21:08.36 | wols | academy: check your dmesg |
| 21:08.42 | academy | wols: no error |
| 21:08.52 | craigevil | enouf: Installed: 0.7.14+b1, never used apt-listchanges but apt-listbugs has saved my butt many times |
| 21:08.53 | wols | academy: pastebin it |
| 21:08.58 | dasickis | enouf: so how do I figure out I don't have the whole file? |
| 21:08.59 | enouf | dasickis: wget only does http/ftp though, IINM |
| 21:09.00 | subsume | Ok doke. I have lines like this in my log. Sep 26 08:00:07 (none) postfix/smtp[26950]: 8ABF8B65A: to=<root@easilyamusedinc.com>, orig_to=<root>, relay=ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.com[209.85.133blahblahblahblah <-- where is the 'easyilamusedinc.com' coming from in my system and how do I change this? |
| 21:09.01 | dasickis | enouf: checksm |
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| 21:09.12 | elux | how stable is lenny? i know that doesnt make sense since lenny is the testing branch, but is it safe to use in production? |
| 21:09.16 | wols | reverse: there is no "default" in debian except a few system things. "default" doesn't even have X |
| 21:09.25 | wols | elux: no |
| 21:09.26 | academy | wols: I can't pastebin the dmesg because the NICs aren't working, but trust me - there's no error relating to the network cards. |
| 21:09.30 | enouf | craigevil: apt-listbugs never worked here - and i thought it got obsoleted/removed or something |
| 21:09.44 | wols | academy: you are here online so you can paste one way or the other. QED. and I don't trust you at all |
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| 21:09.59 | wols | academy: and I didn't say anytrhing about errors either |
| 21:10.04 | dasickis | enouf: that's fine, basically i'm trying to update using my cellphone as a modem |
| 21:10.05 | elux | wols: thx |
| 21:10.18 | academy | wols: it isn't this box that's broken. It's another box which can't connect to the network. I can't paste from it. |
| 21:10.18 | craigevil | works fine for me, although the majority of the messages are for other architectures and rarely have anything to do with i386 |
| 21:10.27 | dasickis | enouf: but I want to automate the process as I'm doing the updates overnight and then just leaving for class |
| 21:10.35 | wols | academy: you can. there are usb sticks. floppy, paper, etc. tons of ways |
| 21:10.54 | enouf | dasickis: hrm, no idea - just know what i mentioned about wget -c .. |
| 21:11.53 | enouf | craigevil: i dunno, i could've swore it got pulled for an entire release - or something |
| 21:12.16 | enouf | but i see it available again in apt-cache search apt-listbugs |
| 21:12.45 | craigevil | idk about lenny but its always been on my sid systems, Installed: 0.0.92 |
| 21:13.10 | Elite|Jeti | Okay guys, I have a server I will use for web hosting, i installed the web hosting admin panel and should be able to use admin.domain.com, but I cn't only the ip/admin works adny ideas? |
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| 21:13.16 | enouf | craigevil: i had it in sarge/etch, iirc - but then it went byebye or something |
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| 21:13.32 | wols | Elite|Jeti: fix your dns |
| 21:13.48 | Elite|Jeti | wols, will it be the one in /etc/cache/bind? |
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| 21:14.02 | Elite|Jeti | wols, the DNS is working fine in the domain |
| 21:14.05 | wols | Elite|Jeti: is your bind the authoritative domain serevr for your domain? |
| 21:14.13 | adama | how do I disable DPMS, I want it so the screen never turns off. Gnome, lenny |
| 21:14.15 | Elite|Jeti | wols: yes |
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| 21:14.27 | wols | Elite|Jeti: then define the admin subdomain |
| 21:14.36 | wols | Elite|Jeti: what does dig say? |
| 21:14.50 | Elite|Jeti | Iunno where can I find out? |
| 21:14.55 | Elite|Jeti | the DNS is fine I know it is |
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| 21:15.12 | wols | Elite|Jeti: if you can't reach the domain with the name, it's not fine by definition |
| 21:15.15 | wols | man dig |
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| 21:16.07 | masus | dpkg: lenny |
| 21:16.07 | dpkg | well, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>. |
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| 21:16.31 | Elite|Jeti | wols: I dunno what thats supposed to tell me? |
| 21:16.35 | masus | dpkg: wwlr |
| 21:16.35 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 21:16.55 | wols | Elite|Jeti: it tells you to read documentation if you don't know what dig is |
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| 21:17.13 | wols | !tell masus about msgthebot |
| 21:17.20 | masus | :) |
| 21:17.42 | Elite|Jeti | wols, the DNS is fine I know it is, what do I need to do? |
| 21:17.59 | enouf | craigevil: or .. maybe i just uninstalled it either a) i didn;t find it useful, or b) it just didn't work correctly for me - PDO shows it avail in all releases (sarge-sid) so .. maybe i'm mistaken |
| 21:18.09 | wols | Elite|Jeti: if you can't reach the admin subdomain it is not fine for this domain. QED |
| 21:18.29 | Elite|Jeti | So I need to edit the zone file for the admin domain? |
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| 21:19.11 | bertoli | i have my mswin at /dev/hda1 and the debian at /dev/hdb2, i changed my menu.lst for windows opt to rootnoverify(hd0,0), makeactive, chainloader +1, but when i choose the windz it still in the grub screen... whats wrong ? |
| 21:19.25 | enouf | Have we decided on the next Testing release name? |
| 21:19.39 | craigevil | isnt it Squeeze |
| 21:19.44 | enouf | er .. s/release/suite .. |
| 21:19.47 | Elite|Jeti | the server the debian install is on is the authoritive server |
| 21:20.03 | enouf | craigevil: ahh - can't find the factoid |
| 21:20.24 | enouf | without knowing the name :-P |
| 21:20.36 | craigevil | enouf: http://release.debian.org/emails/release-update-200808 |
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| 21:20.52 | Elite|Jeti | wols |
| 21:20.59 | simonrvn | Elite|Jeti |
| 21:21.15 | craigevil | We will continue to use Toy Story character names for lenny's successor, |
| 21:21.16 | enouf | that should be easy enough for me to remember .. i like squeezing things ;-) |
| 21:21.16 | craigevil | which will be called ``squeeze'' (three-eyed space alien). |
| 21:21.28 | Elite|Jeti | simonrvn yes? |
| 21:21.39 | academy | wols: sorry for being abrupt before. I moved the disk into a new, but 'identical' box and it seems to have remembered the old NICS - marking them as eth0/eth1 and then named the new nics eth2/eth3. How can I override this |
| 21:21.44 | enouf | looks around for CharminTheMoose |
| 21:21.49 | enouf | O_o |
| 21:22.29 | enouf | academy: /msg dpkg z25 |
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| 21:23.12 | PaulTT | how can I get a listing of interfaces on a machine? (i.e. eth0, eth1, etc.) |
| 21:23.22 | Demosthenes | any idea what could be on a USB hard drive that makes it show up as group floppy? |
| 21:23.27 | Demosthenes | PaulTT: ifconfig? |
| 21:23.43 | enouf | PaulTT: ls /sys/class/net |
| 21:23.50 | PaulTT | Demosthenes: The interface is not yet defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:24.03 | Demosthenes | PaulTT: ifconfig -a |
| 21:24.03 | enouf | PaulTT: ifconfig -a ; and dmesg perhaps |
| 21:24.19 | PaulTT | hmm.. sit0.. what in the world is that? |
| 21:24.38 | wols | PaulTT: useless junk |
| 21:24.38 | enouf | ipv6 crap IINM - don't worry about it |
| 21:24.45 | CharminTheMoose | passes enouf some toilet paper |
| 21:24.47 | PaulTT | ok.. thansk. |
| 21:25.05 | shiloh7_ | tyvm enouf |
| 21:25.11 | enouf | squeezes the m000SH! |
| 21:25.13 | enouf | :-P |
| 21:25.15 | subsume | Hey guys.My /var/log/ contains: Sep 26 08:00:07 (none) postfix/smtp[26950]: to=<root@easilyamusedinc.com>, orig_to=<root>, relay=ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.com .... Where is the system defining this domain as being the recipient of root mail? |
| 21:25.32 | enouf | shiloh7_: np |
| 21:26.14 | academy | enouf: perfect - thanks :) |
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| 21:26.17 | ejer | subsume: /etc/aliases? |
| 21:26.18 | shiloh7_ | well i did just install it, etch was recomended, should i install something else? |
| 21:26.28 | enouf | academy: np |
| 21:26.36 | ceil420 | enouf: zenwalk livecd now has an uptime of 21hrs - 3hrs longer than i ever had debian up :x |
| 21:26.44 | ceil420 | (i don't think my hardware alone is the problem) |
| 21:26.51 | subsume | ejer: what's odd is 'easilyamusedinc.com' doesn't appear in /etc/aliases |
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| 21:27.12 | shiloh7_ | enouf, if lenny is better should i have installed that? |
| 21:27.14 | enouf | ceil420: push the system - cpuburn or compile a kernel or somthitng |
| 21:27.50 | ceil420 | enouf: debian would crash with gdm stopped and X not even running, just me chatting in irssi |
| 21:27.51 | enouf | shiloh7_: no, Etch is recommended for newcomers - and Lenny will become Stable soon enough - /msg dpkg releases |
| 21:28.02 | bertoli | i have my mswin at /dev/hda1 and the debian at /dev/hdb2, i changed my menu.lst for windows option to rootnoverify(hd0,0), makeactive, chainloader +1, but when i choose the windows it still in the grub screen, it doesnt start the windows... whats wrong ? |
| 21:28.03 | ceil420 | and it would also muscle through renders in Blender |
| 21:28.12 | ceil420 | i don't think cpu activity makes a difference |
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| 21:28.28 | enouf | ceil420: did you fiddle with the hardware at all? reseating RAM and Cards? |
| 21:28.29 | ejer | subsume: define it to go to address you want then run newaliases |
| 21:28.46 | subsume | ejer: with the 'postmaster' directive? |
| 21:28.49 | ceil420 | enouf: i don't wanna add more fingerprints to my case, so no >_> |
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| 21:28.52 | subsume | postmaster: root@some-other-domain.com ? |
| 21:29.05 | ceil420 | enouf: and a memtest came up clean |
| 21:29.07 | ejer | subsume: http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#root |
| 21:29.17 | kaix | Hi how to activate a kernel-option you just changed? (the make menuconfig thingy said it wrote to a .config file) |
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| 21:29.36 | enouf | ceil420: then it's looking like something is afoul with your debian installation - remove any APM crap - reinstall the ACPI shit |
| 21:29.36 | wols | !tell kaix about kp mantra |
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| 21:29.47 | wols | !tell kaix about kernel-package |
| 21:29.50 | ceil420 | what's apm? |
| 21:29.56 | enouf | !apm |
| 21:29.56 | dpkg | apm is, like, Advanced Power Management, a long-obsolete standard that allowed the BIOS to handle power management on PC-compatibles. but ACPI is better (somewhat). See also <swsusp> |
| 21:29.57 | tuxcrafter | is going to sleep and has enough maybe more then 6 hours of bug reports lying here |
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| 21:30.17 | ceil420 | huh |
| 21:30.18 | ceil420 | !acpi |
| 21:30.19 | dpkg | hmm... acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also <swsusp>, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see http://acpi.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/InstallationReports |
| 21:30.24 | enouf | ceil420: as you said, it occurs across many kernel versions |
| 21:30.39 | ceil420 | so apt-cache search/policy those to see what i have, remove the apm, and reinstall the acpi? |
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| 21:31.18 | enouf | ceil420: something like that - i'm grasping at straws |
| 21:31.27 | ceil420 | (or i could lrn2dpkg -il(whatever)) |
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| 21:31.33 | earthian | Good evening. I have tried to increase the speed of boot time of my debian lenny on acer aspire one netbook. Now, however, i see that each process is either started twice or it looks like it starts twice. It happens similar to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysvinit/+bug/172795 |
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| 21:31.50 | ceil420 | enouf: well first i gotta boot into debian >_> |
| 21:31.52 | ceil420 | brb |
| 21:32.04 | enouf | ceil420: it's unlikely if so many debian kernels don't make a diff - however, you might want to venture into kernel building |
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| 21:32.22 | enouf | although, it's likely something wtih your Video or BIOS |
| 21:32.28 | subsume | ejer: I'd much rather just find out how its being sent to easilyamusedinc.com. Any theories? |
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| 21:32.56 | ejer | subsume: is that only domain? is that your myhostname? |
| 21:33.22 | subsume | ejer: it isn't the only domain. myhostname is a nonsense name. (sudo hostname) |
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| 21:34.50 | Spreadsheet | hello |
| 21:35.01 | Spreadsheet | is the new gnome going to be included in lenny? |
| 21:35.10 | Asymmetry | I have worked way too many different shifts in the last two months. |
| 21:35.27 | wols | Spreadsheet: no. lenny is frozen |
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| 21:35.43 | Spreadsheet | ok |
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| 21:37.24 | subsume | Hey guys.My /var/log/ contains: Sep 26 08:00:07 (none) postfix/smtp[26950]: to=<root@easilyamusedinc.com>, orig_to=<root>, relay=ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.com .... Where is the system defining this domain as being the recipient of root mail? Doesn't seem to be /etc/aliases |
| 21:38.00 | dudeman | hahaha |
| 21:38.06 | wols | sits back and pops the popcorn |
| 21:38.43 | subsume | Contempt of those less-informed than you is really quite noble. |
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| 21:39.24 | ceil420 | lol enouf bailed |
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| 21:40.04 | earthian | I have tried to increase the speed of boot time of my debian lenny on acer aspire one netbook. Now, however, i see that each process is either started twice or it looks like it starts twice. It happens similar to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysvinit/+bug/172795 So the question is: Is it possible to easyly make it load two processes at a time and not same process twice or at least print it twice?? |
| 21:40.28 | wols | earthian: what daemons run twice? |
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| 21:40.39 | earthian | most of them |
| 21:40.45 | wols | NAMES |
| 21:40.54 | dudeman | names? |
| 21:40.57 | gngkai | strange issue about smartd |
| 21:41.25 | gngkai | when start it gives me 5 Offline uncorrectable sectors on both disks (two pata raid1 software) |
| 21:41.42 | gngkai | a long test does not give any error |
| 21:41.44 | wols | gngkai: do a smartctl long test |
| 21:41.50 | wols | oh |
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| 21:42.24 | gngkai | # 1 Extended offline Completed without error |
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| 21:42.41 | gngkai | this seems a bug to me |
| 21:43.01 | gngkai | both disks, both with 5 Offline uncorrectable sectors |
| 21:43.21 | earthian | wols, not sure now.. but there are alot. basically all in standard lenny that have [OK] in the same line.. syslog does not have any names :S |
| 21:43.31 | gngkai | seems something related to HD flash |
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| 21:44.10 | subsume | ejer: myhostname in main.cf = mail2.easilyamusedinc.com, but I need it to remain this I believe. |
| 21:44.28 | ejer | subsume: i told you how to fix it, to find out why, read postfix docs |
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| 21:44.44 | subsume | ejer: can you explain why its going to where it currently is or not? |
| 21:45.13 | PaulTT | my machine has 4 GB of ram installed but debian only sees 3 GB--any idea why that is? |
| 21:45.21 | PaulTT | bios shows 4GB |
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| 21:45.31 | earthian | PaulTT, probably you need a bigmem kernel |
| 21:45.44 | earthian | which has support for 4<= ram |
| 21:45.48 | wols | PaulTT: that's normal. 32bit limit and your videocard needs another few MB so 3GB is all that's left |
| 21:45.57 | wols | either run a bigmem kernel or a 64bit one |
| 21:46.34 | ejer | root goes to root of mailserver unless you define it otherwise, easy to find out |
| 21:46.44 | PaulTT | wols: is there one available via apt? |
| 21:46.51 | wols | yes |
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| 21:48.09 | PaulTT | do I just aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-6-686-bigmem then? that's it? |
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| 21:50.40 | clamiax | hi |
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| 21:51.31 | adama | how do I disable DPMS, I want it so the screen never turns off. Gnome, lenny |
| 21:51.58 | clamiax | Doesn't the ipw3945 drivers are availables on Lenny? I still get the old ipw3945-modules-2.6.18* instead of the 2.6.26 version. |
| 21:53.00 | adama | !tell clamiax about iwlwifi |
| 21:53.11 | clamiax | Though iwconfig show my WiFi card as wlan0_rename (which was eth1) |
| 21:53.24 | clamiax | adama: THX! |
| 21:53.34 | ejer | adama: try gnome-power-preferences |
| 21:53.41 | amphi | adama: xset |
| 21:54.02 | wols | !tell clamiax about iwlwifi |
| 21:54.25 | clamiax | it's even better, no daemon is needed and they seems to be improved |
| 21:54.42 | clamiax | uhm.. though there is something copyrighted, isn't? |
| 21:54.52 | adama | it works very well, I have 3945 on my laptop |
| 21:55.09 | clamiax | adama: what model? |
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| 21:55.26 | adama | clamiax it's a dell XPS M1210 |
| 21:55.37 | wols | clamiax: read the factoid |
| 21:55.45 | clamiax | wols: where? |
| 21:55.47 | clamiax | wols: lspci? |
| 21:55.52 | wols | clamiax: dpkg messaged you |
| 21:56.10 | clamiax | aah.. wols yes, THX |
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| 21:58.27 | Dowland | Hello. |
| 21:58.58 | Dowland | Is there a way to do a "mount --bind /... /..." in fstab? (i.e.: remount a portion of an already mounted filesystem somewhere else)? |
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| 21:59.12 | wols | Dowland: do it in rc.local |
| 21:59.38 | Dowland | Where? |
| 21:59.43 | wols | Dowland: do it in rc.local |
| 21:59.50 | Dowland | I mean, from which account? |
| 22:00.07 | wols | it runs as root as it must for mount to work |
| 22:00.14 | Dowland | *sigh* |
| 22:00.16 | Dowland | I'm stupid. |
| 22:00.18 | Dowland | :-) |
| 22:00.20 | Dowland | Thanks wols. |
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| 22:26.04 | portablejim | Is there a way to favor repo X over repo y, but sometimes repo x may not be available, so get it from repo y? |
| 22:27.51 | dondelelcaro | portablejim: everything being equal, the first one listed is the one used |
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| 22:28.09 | dondelelcaro | portablejim: that said, there's generally no point in listing multiple sources for the same repository |
| 22:28.57 | dondelelcaro | (there are enough mirrors out there that you should be able to find one that can fully saturate your connection) |
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| 22:29.27 | Madsy | portablejim: Yes. It's called pinning. However, as far as I'm concerned, the priority only works for the different "release types" |
| 22:29.30 | themill | there are enough flaky mirrors out there that you might want to have two to make sure one always works, too |
| 22:29.35 | Madsy | stable, testing and unstable |
| 22:30.16 | PaulTT | wols: Thanks, installing bigmem kernel fixed it. i now see all 4GB |
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| 22:33.10 | portablejim | It is for a local cache, which is on a laptop (because of power usage). This means that the cache might not always be around. |
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| 22:34.40 | Patric1 | How do you do a dry run of "aptitude update" ? |
| 22:35.04 | Guerin | Patric1: -s |
| 22:36.14 | Patric1 | Guerin: Thank you |
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| 22:37.14 | ech0dish | hey whats the best terminal irc? |
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| 22:37.24 | d0dge | kyrpä. ja winamp on ihan ookoo |
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| 22:37.49 | dondelelcaro | ech0dish: irssi is the best, period. |
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| 22:37.55 | ech0dish | thanks |
| 22:38.03 | ech0dish | thats the one i was thinkin of but couldn't remember the name |
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| 22:41.31 | avu | dondelelcaro, abrotman mentioned some nice browsergame you play(ed) the other day, care to give me a name? |
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| 22:41.43 | abrotman | avu: no .. that was greycat :) |
| 22:41.47 | avu | doh |
| 22:41.57 | avu | could've sworn you said dondelelcaro |
| 22:42.34 | avu | but of course you didn't 8) |
| 22:42.40 | ech0dish | anyone feel like phreakin? have some fun with 8323495765 |
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| 22:43.16 | abrotman | avu: i'm crazy .. woooohooo! |
| 22:44.07 | revlo | hi guys, is there anywhere some news on debian (lenny) and the recent e1000e problem that happens (mostly) with 2.6.27 kernel series, but has been reported down to kernelversion 2.6.25? or any other recommodation what todo when you run that combo? |
| 22:44.57 | earthian_ | strange.. i have this CONCURRENCY=shell in my /etc/init.d/rc and get most of the startup items appear twice in the boot time. this by google is not that much found in debian but in ubuntu,,, :S |
| 22:45.11 | earthian_ | any idea, where could be the cause? |
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| 22:51.28 | dijz | hi, do anybody use iceweasel? it don't works at me |
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| 22:51.55 | ircbin | Hello! Anyone knows when will Debian lenny rc1 be released? |
| 22:52.19 | abrotman | ircbin: when they release it .. sooner if you help |
| 22:53.13 | dijz | I use sid and the windwos don't start |
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| 22:53.35 | ircbin | abrotman, Can I do anything to help you? |
| 22:53.40 | nkuttler | dijz: what did you try to fix it? |
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| 22:54.04 | abrotman | ircbin: not me personally |
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| 22:54.45 | dijz | nkuttler: I use "kill -9 "... but print "expr: erro de sintaxe" dont leave. |
| 22:54.46 | ircbin | well, I'm referring to help the debian project... |
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| 22:55.41 | dijz | nkuttler: after try iceweasel by "ps ux" i read: grep ^[^0-9]*5\..*$" |
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| 22:56.25 | nkuttler | dijz: you really shouldn't be running sid. kill the processes, man killall, man ps, if problem persists mv ~/.mozilla ~/.moz-bak |
| 22:57.52 | dijz | 2 months before I try it, I try it now too, nkuttler |
| 22:58.06 | dijz | nkuttler: thanks |
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| 23:07.47 | streuner | Who watching Obama vs. McCain? ;-) |
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| 23:08.11 | crashanddie | really wrong channel to ask for |
| 23:08.24 | streuner | jetscreamer: when is Obama vs. McCain? ;-) |
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| 23:09.24 | ceil420 | is it streaming in flv anywhere? |
| 23:09.43 | loxx | i love McCain Frites :) |
| 23:09.48 | streuner | surely youtube has it later... |
| 23:10.16 | streuner | ceil420: just watch it later at youtube |
| 23:10.27 | ceil420 | i'll forget later :x |
| 23:11.11 | abrotman | !ot |
| 23:11.11 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 23:11.13 | streuner | well, some german tv stations streams TV, i have no idea about US |
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| 23:18.30 | ma3x | why do i get this: ACPI: EC: GPE storm detected, disabling EC GPE and then kernel lockup |
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| 23:33.29 | torrr | !etchnhalf |
| 23:33.29 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
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| 23:34.56 | jetscreamer | streuner: not sure |
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| 23:36.12 | SJr|Work | Anyone know a fast tool that will look for files that are identical, but may or may not have the same filename. |
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| 23:38.22 | abrotman | !info fdupes etch |
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| 23:38.46 | jetscreamer | there's another in sources also but i can't rem the name |
| 23:38.53 | dpkg | fdupes: (Identifies duplicate files within given directories), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.40-4 (etch), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 23:38.54 | abrotman | SJr|Work: ^^ |
| 23:40.28 | ma3x | why do i get this: ACPI: EC: GPE storm detected, disabling EC GPE and then kernel lockup |
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| 23:41.59 | jetscreamer | IFHFP btw |
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| 23:43.17 | SJr|Work | thanks abrotman |
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| 23:44.48 | ceil420 | that's it, i'm lookin' for a new distro ;x |
| 23:45.02 | PeterFA | How do I force install for a package with unmet dependency (it's really met but the deb for it asks for the wrong dependency) |
| 23:45.12 | PeterFA | Do I use dpkg for this/ |
| 23:45.13 | PeterFA | ? |
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| 23:45.14 | PeterFA | Or apt-get? |
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| 23:45.31 | PeterFA | Because I was using dpkg and --force=install doesn't really work. |
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| 23:48.52 | geek_ | hmm |
| 23:49.31 | geek_ | i'd like to know if i can startup a programme on startup as a specific user |
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| 23:50.31 | themill | PeterFA: no package in debian should have unmet dependencies like that |
| 23:51.07 | PeterFA | themill, it's for Ubuntu, and it's a driver for my webcam. |
| 23:51.21 | PeterFA | themill, lemme clarify. |
| 23:51.30 | themill | PeterFA: you don't want to try mixing debian and ubuntu packages. |
| 23:51.44 | PeterFA | themill, hmmm... |
| 23:52.09 | PeterFA | http://www.linux-projects.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=7 <-- What should I do then? |
| 23:52.34 | PeterFA | It's closed and binary only. |
| 23:52.40 | PeterFA | Packaged in a Fiesty deb. |
| 23:53.09 | PeterFA | I guess I'll extract it, then manually install it. |
| 23:53.10 | geek_ | PeterFA: could always compile it |
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| 23:53.18 | PeterFA | geek_, nope. It's binary. |
| 23:53.22 | geek_ | thats what i did with that driver before |
| 23:53.45 | Hail_Spacecake | anyone knowledgable about schroot? |
| 23:53.52 | themill | PeterFA: compile it from source |
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| 23:54.10 | PeterFA | themill, it doesn't have a source file, it's only binary. |
| 23:54.22 | geek_ | PeterFA: wierd, but as far as i know there's a damn good webcam driver thats open source. i can't quite remeber what its called |
| 23:54.29 | themill | PeterFA: the source is available. they say it is available under the GPL |
| 23:55.36 | PeterFA | sn9cxxx for the sn9c202 cam? |
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| 23:56.28 | Hail_Spacecake | specifically, how the syntax for /etc/schroot/mount-defaults works |
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| 23:56.54 | Hail_Spacecake | I'm trying to loopback mount a directory so programs in the chroot can access it but I can't figre out the syntax the file wants |
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| 23:57.53 | geek_ | i'd like to know if i can startup a programme on startup as a specific user? i'm plannin on running a irc server that needs to be started as user |
| 23:58.32 | Typosu | I need an install cd (netinst preferably) that includes the virtio modules, and it seems some of the weekly lenny builds should work, but the cdimage main mirror seems to be down? |