| 00:00.18 | nmourey | prolix: Duh.. Thanks. that should have been "nm | grep nnfyboot | less" |
| 00:00.34 | prolix | nmourey: good luck |
| 00:01.07 | nmourey | prolix: I have been at this problem for too long. Time for a break.. |
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| 00:02.23 | n8ature | im trying to build a custom kernel package with one small change but it keeps failing with "ABI has changed!". How do i fix this? |
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| 00:04.22 | jon_ | n8ature: which program (exactly, cc1, ld, etc) produces this error? |
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| 00:07.25 | jon_ | alternatively... try this: run the make-kpkg line, with the parameters you use, and put this on the end: " > buildlog.txt 2>&1" |
| 00:07.36 | jon_ | then pastebin buildlog.txt |
| 00:08.31 | jon_ | most likely the problem is the compiler you're using is either too old or too new |
| 00:08.31 | n8ature | jon_: let me show you: http://pastie.org/280582 |
| 00:08.47 | jon_ | that's the build log? |
| 00:08.58 | n8ature | thats the last bit |
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| 00:09.21 | n8ature | i can past the whole thing if it will help |
| 00:10.12 | jon_ | did you add the 2>&1? |
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| 00:10.56 | jon_ | it seems like the ld invocation on line 2 is the problem... but I can't see a direct error message from it |
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| 00:11.53 | n8ature | jon_: i am following these instructions: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official |
| 00:12.14 | n8ature | the change i am making is to increase the dynamic irq's available to Xen |
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| 00:12.52 | jon_ | oh, why not talk to Waldi? |
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| 00:13.20 | jon_ | what happens when you don't make that change? |
| 00:13.29 | xyc0 | How do I check where a HDD is detected so I can try and mount it? |
| 00:14.05 | n8ature | I am first running: fakeroot make -f debian/rules.gen setup-amd64-xen-amd64 to get the source into debian/build/build-amd64-xen-amd64 |
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| 00:14.27 | dondelelcaro | xyc0: dmesg or /proc/partitions will tell you |
| 00:14.29 | n8ature | jon_: when i dont make that change it produces the deb files just fine... :-/ |
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| 00:14.56 | jon_ | so the change you make is what is perceived by the build as an "abi change" |
| 00:15.38 | jon_ | you need to talk to someone like waldi |
| 00:15.39 | n8ature | its a single value in: |
| 00:15.40 | n8ature | debian/build/build-amd64-xen-amd64/include/asm-x86_64/mach-xen/irq_vectors.h |
| 00:16.09 | xittum | xyc0: maybe you will also like "fdisk -l" |
| 00:16.18 | jon_ | I can only go so far, and this is it :) |
| 00:16.19 | n8ature | jon_: yes.. im trying to understand about the abi change.. what that means exactly.. who is waldi? |
| 00:16.52 | jon_ | waldi is AKA Bastian Blank, he maintains (among other things) debian kernel packages |
| 00:17.03 | jon_ | well I think he's in a team |
| 00:17.11 | n8ature | jon_: well i appreciate your help so far.. |
| 00:17.17 | jon_ | and he's working on dom0 support for later kernels |
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| 00:18.56 | jon_ | his client is actually present altho he's not on this channel |
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| 00:19.35 | jon_ | he's almost always swamped with work so tread lightly |
| 00:19.47 | jon_ | and do as much research as possible before talking to him |
| 00:20.48 | n8ature | jon_: thanks, i understand |
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| 00:26.54 | danbh_intrepid | Is there a debian packaging channel? |
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| 00:29.07 | dondelelcaro | danbh_intrepid: you can ask questions here if you want |
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| 00:29.28 | dondelelcaro | danbh_intrepid: alternatively, there's #debian-mentors on oftc. |
| 00:29.33 | nicalvaro | Wahoo solved my silly issue. /etc/passwd has to be readable to everybody! |
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| 00:30.24 | A|3x | is there a way to view samba logs to see who did massive file deletion? |
| 00:30.45 | danbh_intrepid | dondelelcaro: Im just looking for the debian packaging documentation. I'm trying to learn how to create packages (I use ubuntu, but I find their documentation lacking atm) |
| 00:30.56 | dondelelcaro | !nm guide |
| 00:30.56 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 00:31.08 | danbh_intrepid | thanks! |
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| 00:32.04 | dondelelcaro | all that said and done, it's pretty trivial; there's a rules file which is a makefile which gets called with specific options which causes deb package(s) to be assembled using dpkg-deb or similar. |
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| 00:32.48 | dondelelcaro | the only other bit that really matters is the control file, and to a lesser extent the changelog. |
| 00:33.13 | dondelelcaro | (everything else is the documentation of the tools to make the creation of the .deb easier and more uniform) |
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| 00:33.37 | Asymmetry | Why is /proc/cpuinfo reporting my CPU speed as almost 30GHz? |
| 00:33.48 | danbh_intrepid | That makes sense from what Ive been reading |
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| 00:34.50 | dondelelcaro | Asymmetry: which field? |
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| 00:35.27 | Asymmetry | dondelelcaro, cpu MHz |
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| 00:35.47 | enouf | abrotman: do you have the URL to that article i showed you when i was bloat_detective? |
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| 00:36.49 | enouf | erm .. |
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| 00:37.13 | enouf | oh, ok - crap wow - being swamped? |
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| 00:37.37 | dondelelcaro | Asymmetry: and what's it say exactly? |
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| 00:38.45 | Asymmetry | dondelelcaro, 29742.000 |
| 00:38.53 | Asymmetry | dondelelcaro, it's actually a 2.4GHz quad-core. |
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| 00:39.14 | dondelelcaro | Asymmetry: hrm... well, wouldn't be the first time that that happens; see what cpufreq-info; says |
| 00:39.22 | enouf | Asymmetry: is that in a Virtual machine? |
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| 00:40.35 | A|3x | is there a way to view samba logs to see who did massive file deletion? |
| 00:40.36 | Asymmetry | enouf, no. |
| 00:40.50 | enouf | Asymmetry: uname -r says? |
| 00:41.03 | Asymmetry | enouf, 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 00:41.22 | enouf | A|3x: using sudo for users perms to do that? if so, see /var/log/auth* |
| 00:41.30 | Asymmetry | dondelelcaro, available frequency steps: 44.61 GHz, 29.74 GHz for all. |
| 00:41.42 | enouf | Asymmetry: see if anyone in #debian-amd64 knows about it |
| 00:41.48 | rvsjoen | anyone have an idea why uml keeps nagging about "parse_chan_pair failed for device 1 : Configuration failed" on a standard debian bootstrapped root fs ? |
| 00:42.25 | dondelelcaro | Asymmetry: and which kernel is it? |
| 00:42.32 | dondelelcaro | ah, you just answered that; nevermind |
| 00:44.42 | enouf | rvalles: uml is tricky, i've not seen many mess with it much .. |
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| 00:45.31 | enouf | Asymmetry: does dmesg also show weirdo HZ for the CPU(s) ? |
| 00:46.05 | rvsjoen | finally got it booting, just need to filter a few errors from the bootup process and create a network bridge |
| 00:46.43 | Asymmetry | enouf, No, that reports properly. |
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| 00:46.53 | Asymmetry | enouf, [ 0.000000] time.c: Detected 2399.999 MHz processor. |
| 00:46.57 | A|3x | enouf: i have samba set up with some users, some of which can write to a particular share |
| 00:47.39 | Asymmetry | enouf, you think it might be cpufreq? |
| 00:47.42 | enouf | Asymmetry: and that's a debian linux-image-version? or did you compile it yourself? |
| 00:47.47 | A|3x | enouf: does samba record in its logs when files are deleted |
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| 00:47.53 | Asymmetry | enouf, everything is straight from the package tree. |
| 00:47.58 | enouf | Asymmetry: something after bootup sure ;-) |
| 00:48.22 | enouf | A|3x: no idea, sorry, i don't use it much, hardly ever |
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| 00:48.36 | asg | A|3x: I don't think it does. Have you asked the #samba folks? |
| 00:48.46 | A|3x | not yet |
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| 00:48.54 | Schuenemann | hey, if I download a package using apt-get install -d, does it download dependencies too? |
| 00:48.55 | A|3x | any other way to see who deleted files? |
| 00:49.02 | grendal_prime | the description field in a package, how do you add a new line? is it /n ? |
| 00:49.26 | asg | A|3x: if they are using *nix boxes, you could look at their shell history files to see perhaps |
| 00:49.29 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: just add a new line; leading spaces means a continuation |
| 00:49.43 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: if you need a blank line, use ' .' |
| 00:49.45 | A|3x | i doubt they did it through the shell |
| 00:49.46 | Goundy | am running apt-get dist-upgrade. If my connection goes done and then I reconnect and rerun it again. It'll restart processing from zero ? |
| 00:49.52 | grendal_prime | ok so newline and a couple of spaces |
| 00:49.58 | Goundy | down* |
| 00:50.22 | amphi | Goundy: no, it'll continue |
| 00:50.28 | asg | Goundy: no, it will pickup where it left off. |
| 00:50.32 | Goundy | ok thanks. |
| 00:50.37 | grendal_prime | or one space? i could have sworn i tried that but...ok will do |
| 00:50.42 | grendal_prime | thatns dondelelcaro |
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| 00:52.22 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: just one space; if you're having a hard time, you can put up the .dsc, diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz |
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| 01:16.53 | ribasushi_ | any serious schroot users around? |
| 01:17.22 | ribasushi_ | I need to find out why when I use a file-based chroot, the unpacked version in /var/lib/schroot/mounts does not get deleted :( |
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| 01:20.41 | ceil420 | okay, *this* is Lenny's last chance, because the 64studio disc failed :x |
| 01:20.56 | ceil420 | i'm on about as clean an install as i can get while still being able to get on IRC |
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| 01:20.58 | xyc0 | What file do I edit to change the display driver used now? it's not in xorg.conf anymore |
| 01:21.11 | ceil420 | (base Debian Lenny amd64 + irssi and it's dependencies) |
| 01:21.19 | enouf | ceil420: how;s your lockup.hardware situation? making any progress? |
| 01:21.20 | ceil420 | if shit crashes now, there's just nothing i can do about it :x |
| 01:21.39 | ceil420 | enouf: no ;x |
| 01:21.42 | enouf | ceil420: you should also run from ISO on the HDD, when using a LiveCD to test |
| 01:21.55 | enouf | just in case - so you are also working your HDDs and controllers |
| 01:22.08 | ceil420 | i just tried a clean install + screen, irssi, xfce, xchat, iceweasel, and sudo |
| 01:22.13 | enouf | ceil420: if LiveCd does not exhibit bad behaviour |
| 01:22.13 | rgr | I'm looking for some advice on how to get realplayer to use Pulse audio. Anyone done it? |
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| 01:22.28 | ceil420 | what do you mean, 'run from ISO on the HDD'? |
| 01:22.41 | ceil420 | i've already had a Zenwalk LiveCD have a 21hr uptime |
| 01:23.00 | enouf | ceil420: now - it was impolite of you to leave last time while we were talking - don't do that again - or you will get tossed into the b0z0 box |
| 01:23.14 | ceil420 | if this debian makes it 24hrs without crashing, then i'll install X :x |
| 01:23.20 | enouf | it was 15 hour uptime 4 days ago, lmao |
| 01:23.23 | ceil420 | enouf: i couldn't help it :( |
| 01:23.32 | enouf | try harder |
| 01:23.35 | likaijun | hello .all. I want to add a deb package to distribution. how can I write the destribution information of the debpackage? for example Installed-Size ,Installed-Size ,depends and so so |
| 01:23.40 | ceil420 | i think my record uptime with debian on this box is 18hrs |
| 01:23.53 | ceil420 | that was #1 after my first install, according to uprecords/uptimed |
| 01:23.59 | dondelelcaro | likaijun: that's all done automatically for you |
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| 01:24.10 | dondelelcaro | !tell likaijun -about nm guide |
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| 01:24.20 | dondelelcaro | likaijun: see what dpkg told you, and start your reading there |
| 01:24.25 | enouf | rgr: mplayer plays realmedia fine |
| 01:24.27 | ceil420 | dammit, i forgot to get new sandals while at the store >< |
| 01:24.40 | rgr | radio streams? |
| 01:24.43 | ceil420 | ewww, realmedia |
| 01:24.48 | enouf | rgr: i never messed with pulse, but it sits on top of alsa basically |
| 01:24.53 | xyc0 | There is no way to manually change what display driver x uses? |
| 01:24.54 | enouf | rgr: yes |
| 01:24.56 | beardy | rgr: Yes. |
| 01:24.58 | rgr | sits under alsa |
| 01:25.02 | rgr | ir? |
| 01:25.04 | rgr | or? |
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| 01:25.06 | enouf | no |
| 01:25.07 | ceil420 | infrared? |
| 01:25.32 | rgr | enouf: I use mplayer nogui. Can it do playlists and favorites? |
| 01:25.34 | ceil420 | hey, also, i got a weird problem |
| 01:25.55 | beardy | xyc0: There is, but you have to write it in your config file, and know how to, nowadays. |
| 01:25.55 | ceil420 | i can ping 192.168.15.1 (the router i'm directly connected to) and i can ping google.com, and obviously can connect here |
| 01:25.57 | likaijun | dondelecaro: if some command can do it? |
| 01:26.02 | enouf | rgr: i don't use playlists and shit - i fire up a few instances of mplayer in separate terms |
| 01:26.02 | ceil420 | but i can't ping 192.168.1.1 (the modem) |
| 01:26.09 | ceil420 | anyone ever have that happen? :o |
| 01:26.22 | xyc0 | beardy: /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 01:26.28 | enouf | rgr: might want to look at xine as well - but whatever - there's many audio 'apps' |
| 01:26.28 | beardy | xyc0: Yes. |
| 01:26.33 | ceil420 | wish i had an /etc/X11/xorg.conf :x |
| 01:26.38 | rgr | enouf: I see. ok, thats pretty useless then since I dont want to be pasting in one of 10 radio stream links each time I want to listen to a certain channel |
| 01:26.53 | xyc0 | beardy: where is it referenced from now that there isn't entries in xorg? |
| 01:27.16 | rgr | enouf: I know. And I hate realplayer too. But version 11 just works with my BBC URLs. |
| 01:27.20 | enouf | rgr: mine are always in history, no pasting nothing |
| 01:27.28 | enouf | up arrow - enter |
| 01:27.31 | rgr | bash history? |
| 01:27.35 | enouf | yep |
| 01:27.35 | ceil420 | does a base install of debian include an mp3 player? :x |
| 01:27.42 | beardy | xyc0: In the documentation I'm sure. It's autodetected, with no good way of doing it the old way. |
| 01:27.43 | ceil420 | i doubt it, since there's not even telnet |
| 01:27.54 | rgr | horrible. I use the shell a lot. Thats really hacky :-; |
| 01:27.55 | enouf | ceil420: no, but aplay plays wavs and stuff |
| 01:28.09 | asg | ceil420: netcat (nc) is better than telnet. It's in base. |
| 01:28.13 | ceil420 | enouf: i just wanted to plug in my portable mp3 player for some music |
| 01:28.21 | ceil420 | asg: never heard of it :o |
| 01:28.21 | enouf | well.. you need the mp3 decoder - go get it from dmm or something |
| 01:28.25 | ceil420 | goes to tty2 |
| 01:28.29 | amphi | rgr: mplayer can use playlists; I have no idea what you mean by 'favorites' |
| 01:28.34 | xyc0 | beardy: ok, thanks. It was much easier to just edit the line i needed then to jump through these hoops |
| 01:28.42 | ceil420 | hey, netcat is installed :) |
| 01:28.47 | ceil420 | not that i know how to use it |
| 01:28.52 | ceil420 | (but i already have irssi, so it's okay) |
| 01:28.54 | rgr | amphi: am reading up on it now. |
| 01:28.59 | enouf | rgr: oh 0 right - as amphi just noted -playlist |
| 01:29.04 | asg | ceil420: nc -h |
| 01:29.06 | beardy | ceil420: Read the manual to learn. |
| 01:29.09 | ceil420 | does base debian have a web browser? |
| 01:29.26 | ceil420 | i don't seem to have lynx/links/elinks |
| 01:29.26 | enouf | rgr: mplayer -playlist http://...somewhere.ram |
| 01:29.28 | beardy | ceil420: See if links or lynx is installed. |
| 01:29.36 | beardy | ceil420: Install it then. |
| 01:29.50 | enouf | ceil420: install links2 then |
| 01:29.51 | ceil420 | beardy: i need to see if debian can get a 24hr uptime before installing more packages :x |
| 01:29.52 | asg | ceil420: echo 'GET http://URL HTTP/1.0' | nc webserver |
| 01:30.00 | ceil420 | it was a tough decision to install irssi |
| 01:30.02 | asg | s/$/80/ |
| 01:30.09 | beardy | ceil420: Well, if you fail at that, your hardware is very broken. |
| 01:30.12 | ceil420 | asg: heh |
| 01:30.16 | rgr | mplayer docs are flakey. No mention here : http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML-single/en/MPlayer.html |
| 01:30.21 | ceil420 | beardy: a Zenwalk livecd worked fine |
| 01:30.34 | ceil420 | i'd install it, but i want my apt :x |
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| 01:30.44 | enouf | rgr: man mplayer - but it's there as well - see #mplayer |
| 01:30.45 | beardy | ceil420: It will stay up until you run "halt" if it is Debian stable. |
| 01:30.53 | ceil420 | it's Lenny |
| 01:31.02 | ceil420 | i also like my less-than-2yrs-old packages |
| 01:31.17 | ceil420 | s'pose i could try Etch + backports |
| 01:31.21 | rgr | enouf: yeah - got in the info file. |
| 01:31.27 | enouf | Q: I'm trying to play a random stream off the internet but it fails. A: Try playing the stream with the -playlist option. |
| 01:31.33 | geek_ | ... lol |
| 01:31.36 | ceil420 | but i remember Etch's libc being too old to build some program i wanted... |
| 01:31.37 | enouf | $t track number (in playlist) |
| 01:31.37 | beardy | Then you have run out of your right to get answers to such simple questions. |
| 01:31.38 | ceil420 | can't remember which |
| 01:31.45 | rgr | looks promising. As I said I hate realplayer. mplayer is some groovy program. |
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| 01:32.22 | ceil420 | i don't have the right to ask if base install of debian has a web browser? |
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| 01:32.27 | lolwut2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.30 | beardy | Of course. |
| 01:32.35 | ceil420 | Kay |
| 01:32.42 | geek_ | ceil420: you have the right to ask. how basic an install though? |
| 01:33.01 | ceil420 | geek_: i unchecked everything in the installer, including Desktop and Standard |
| 01:33.06 | amphi | rgr: line 765 of man mplayer (in a stanard term) |
| 01:33.07 | ceil420 | i don't even have sudo installed atm :p |
| 01:33.16 | geek_ | ceil420: then no. you need to install it |
| 01:33.21 | geek_ | sudo isn't standard in debian ;p |
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| 01:33.32 | ceil420 | i'll live without it til i get a long enough uptime that i know my current config is stable |
| 01:33.38 | geek_ | i mean no, there isn't a web browser |
| 01:33.53 | ceil420 | i'll live without that too :p |
| 01:33.54 | geek_ | unless you want to use wget and a text editor to read web pages ;p |
| 01:33.56 | ceil420 | lol |
| 01:34.13 | geek_ | ceil420: what're you using the box in question as? |
| 01:34.23 | ceil420 | most of what i look for on the web are image-related anyway, and i'm not installing X til i have 24hrs uptime |
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| 01:34.27 | geek_ | and what kinda issues? my debian installs tend to be rock solid |
| 01:34.27 | ceil420 | a desktop lol |
| 01:34.55 | ceil420 | every 1-18hrs, it just completely freezes (Debian Lenny amd64) |
| 01:35.05 | ceil420 | can't even turn off numlock |
| 01:35.06 | geek_ | (pertinant question. i use debian mostly for older boxen and servers.) |
| 01:35.08 | geek_ | ouch |
| 01:35.11 | pauljr | you might want to run a memtest |
| 01:35.16 | ceil420 | pauljr: i did, it's good |
| 01:35.17 | geek_ | yeah |
| 01:35.35 | geek_ | ceil420: have the same issue with any other distros/oses? |
| 01:35.36 | ceil420 | and cpu temp never goes above 46C under load |
| 01:35.52 | ceil420 | geek_: new computer, i haven't tried any other distros except a ZenWalk LiveCD |
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| 01:36.04 | ceil420 | (which managed a 21hr uptime before i manually shut it down to try debian again) |
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| 01:36.35 | ceil420 | my theory is that it's the integrated ati hd3200 gpu |
| 01:36.47 | ceil420 | which is gonna get replaced in a coupla weeks |
| 01:37.04 | rgr | Hmm. Has anyone here actually created a playlist file for mplayer with multiple stream URLs? I can find no information about it. |
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| 01:37.20 | rgr | (I exported my realplayer favorites) |
| 01:37.39 | ceil420 | rgr: gee, thanks for reminding me that i never got around to writing my program to generate playlists using attr tags :x |
| 01:37.45 | ceil420 | 's too lazy for his own good |
| 01:37.52 | ham5 | rgr, audacious |
| 01:37.54 | geek_ | ... damn, i accidentally installed a desktop on the system i'm working on |
| 01:38.01 | ceil420 | lol |
| 01:38.04 | asg | geek_: then remove it |
| 01:38.05 | geek_ | i wanted a minimal server.. |
| 01:38.15 | ceil420 | what i got now is pretty minimal :p |
| 01:38.16 | pauljr | ceil420, I bought a refurb slimline hp with an integrated nvidia 6150 gpu in 2006 and I suspect the previous owner overclocked it cause no opengl functions work |
| 01:38.17 | rgr | ham5: what about it? |
| 01:38.24 | geek_ | asg: yeah i should. i'm just wonder how the blazes i managed to do that |
| 01:38.25 | ham5 | nm |
| 01:38.31 | asg | geek_: /msg dpkg remove x |
| 01:38.51 | ceil420 | pauljr: i installed fglrx the first time i installed debian, and it worked fine (until the semi-hourly crash, of course) |
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| 01:39.02 | asg | geek_: then use aptitude or whatever is in fashion these days to remove bits that you obviously don't need. |
| 01:39.05 | ceil420 | Nexuiz and OpenArena were pretty smooth, and Blender could handle more polys in edit mode |
| 01:39.43 | ceil420 | geek_: it takes 9 minutes to install debian lenny's base (i counted :p) |
| 01:39.46 | pauljr | see my problem with that box was just running glxgears would freeze everything except the mouse, even the sysrq trick wouldn't work |
| 01:40.08 | ceil420 | pauljr: with my lockups, the frozen mouse cursor is the first thing i notice :x |
| 01:40.31 | ceil420 | (and sysrq stuff doesn't have any effect for me, either - not that i thought it would, seeing as i can't even toggle caps/numlock) |
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| 01:40.44 | geek_ | ceil420: yeah. it took me... 10 hours to do a netinstall. i'm just annoyed cause of that ;p |
| 01:41.00 | geek_ | asg: no real need to. i downloaded cd 1 and will just reinstall |
| 01:41.10 | asg | whatever floats your boat |
| 01:41.11 | ceil420 | geek_: ouch lol |
| 01:41.11 | trentg | Hello, just installed debian lenny beta 2, and can't boot |
| 01:41.24 | ceil420 | i've got an Etch netinst CD - that'll be my last resort |
| 01:41.41 | enouf | ceil420: http://lackof.org/taggart/hacking/d-i-tricks/ (thank taggart if you ever see them) |
| 01:41.42 | dudeman | ever since I stopped using fglrx my same problem with system locking up and sysrq not working went away |
| 01:41.46 | dudeman | system doesn't hang anymore |
| 01:41.55 | dudeman | the whole system used to hand except formouse |
| 01:42.02 | amphi | dudeman: mirabile dictu ;) |
| 01:42.05 | asg | dudeman: that's because you aren't using some unknown proprietary blob anymore ... neat |
| 01:42.11 | ceil420 | lol enouf i'll write that down |
| 01:42.12 | wols | trentg: how many harddisks? |
| 01:42.51 | trentg | wols, I have two, one sata and one pata.. I installed on the pata and grub says invalid partition type 0x7 even though it's ext3 |
| 01:43.14 | ceil420 | now has a ~/documents/stuff again o/ |
| 01:43.16 | zinx | trentg: is the partition type 0x7? because that's NTFS |
| 01:43.38 | trentg | zinx, no it isn't.. maybe the installer got my disks confused.... how can I tell the grub-name of a disk? |
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| 01:43.57 | trentg | It's /dev/sdf to Linux |
| 01:44.02 | wols | trentg: partition layout please. and grub entry |
| 01:44.17 | trentg | wols, how can I do that from windows? |
| 01:44.36 | wols | !tell trentg about rescue |
| 01:44.47 | trentg | I have no wifi in rescue cds |
| 01:44.50 | ceil420 | is 'rescue' an alias for Knoppix? |
| 01:44.51 | ceil420 | :p |
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| 01:45.07 | trentg | Actually I think I can connect with MDV2009.0rc2 |
| 01:45.12 | wols | trentg: you know how you partitioned. so how did you? |
| 01:45.49 | dudeman | amphi, msg |
| 01:45.58 | rgr | enouf: so how to play " http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/realplayer/media/fmg2.ram" with mplayer? |
| 01:46.07 | wols | as for menu.lst entries: ext2 anywhere |
| 01:46.12 | trentg | wols, /dev/sda1 is 500gb ntfs for windows, /dev/sdf1 is 10gb root partition for linux, then there's an extended partition and swap and home are /dev/sdf6 and 7 or something like that |
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| 01:46.43 | wols | trentg: and the 500gb disk is the first disk and you boot from it? |
| 01:46.49 | enouf | rgr: ~$ mplayer -playlist http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/realplayer/media/fmg2.ram works here |
| 01:47.07 | rgr | doesnt for me. Cant connect it says. |
| 01:47.14 | Dossy | Anyone running etch observe a very strange hang after 9-10 days of uptime? |
| 01:47.18 | trentg | wols yes, I press "f8" at boot to get a boot menu and pick my IDE disk to boot Linux, so sda has no linux bootloader on it |
| 01:47.33 | trentg | The bootloader is on /dev/sdf |
| 01:47.36 | Dossy | Processes run, but do not terminate - just hang, can't be killed - looks like some scheduler bug. |
| 01:47.43 | wols | trentg: that's bad. you install grub to sda |
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| 01:48.04 | trentg | No, I don't... last time I did that it screwed my windows partition |
| 01:48.17 | wols | suit yourself then. HAND |
| 01:48.27 | trentg | Ok then |
| 01:48.39 | enouf | rgr: how about; mplayer "rtsp://rmlive.bbc.co.uk/bbc-rbs/rmlive/ev7/live24/radio4/live/r4_dsat_g2.ra?BBC-UID=6428ed3e4ec2359d685f4c00807000ab54b53d8180e0312444cfe9374463e374_n&SSO2-UID=" |
| 01:48.40 | wols | Dossy: what kernel version? |
| 01:48.42 | trentg | But what I'm doing is perfectly valid |
| 01:48.45 | zinx | trentg: /boot/grub/device.map by the way |
| 01:48.47 | dondelelcaro | likaijun: uh... all of that stuff is handled by the package generation scripts, etc. |
| 01:48.52 | dondelelcaro | likaijun: you don't do it manually |
| 01:49.10 | trentg | Thanks zinx |
| 01:49.10 | zinx | trentg: but if you change the boot device with the BIOS, that will change |
| 01:49.11 | Dossy | wols: Linux ecwav 2.6.22-3-686 #1 SMP Tue Dec 4 02:25:59 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:49.21 | wols | Dossy: use a etch kernel |
| 01:49.24 | zinx | trentg: the drive the BIOS boots from is always (hd0) to grub, afaik |
| 01:49.35 | rgr | mplayer: could not connect to socket |
| 01:49.36 | rgr | mplayer: No such file or directory |
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| 01:49.53 | wols | zinx: the question is, hwich one is hd0 now that he does his bios key shenanigans |
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| 01:49.59 | enouf | rgr: try as root - just to test .. try the -playlist one though |
| 01:50.15 | zinx | wols: probably "/dev/sdf" |
| 01:50.24 | enouf | rgr: then, upgrade your mplayer maybe - pastebin entire output |
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| 01:50.30 | wols | maybe, maybe not. i don't care anymore |
| 01:50.31 | enouf | or something |
| 01:50.46 | wols | !tell Dossy about etchnhalf |
| 01:51.00 | rgr | working now from the ram file I think. Any idea if I can have different cache variables depending on source type? e.g only large cache for DVD? |
| 01:51.12 | Dossy | wols: interesting recommendation ... any specific reason why? |
| 01:51.26 | enouf | rgr: -cache <number value in KB> |
| 01:51.34 | enouf | you can set up profiles even |
| 01:51.39 | wols | Dossy: cause you run the utterly wrong kernel for etch. an untested lenny or sid one if a debian kernel at all |
| 01:51.47 | trentg | wols, I'm serious, every time I put the boot loader on /dev/sda my windows mysteriously stops booting... so cry about it all you want, but I'm not going through that again |
| 01:51.55 | likaijun | dondelelcaro but I don't know which command do it . I can use dpkg -I and dpkg -c see the deb information |
| 01:52.00 | enouf | copy /etc/mplayer config file over into your ~/.mplayer/config edit it as you like |
| 01:52.09 | likaijun | dondelelcaro: but I don't know which command do it . I can use dpkg -I and dpkg -c see the deb information |
| 01:52.10 | wols | trentg: if you can't set up grub properly, not my problem. please ask someone else |
| 01:52.15 | dondelelcaro | likaijun: what exactly are you trying to do? And please, don't repeat. |
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| 01:53.00 | Dossy | $ dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
| 01:53.00 | Dossy | ii linux-image-2.6.20-1-686 2.6.20-3 Linux 2.6.20 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/ |
| 01:53.00 | Dossy | ii linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 2.6.22-6~bpo40+1 Linux 2.6.22 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/ |
| 01:53.01 | trentg | Well it's debians problem really, since it set it up... but I think I have enough info to fix it now. |
| 01:53.15 | trentg | We'll see... |
| 01:53.22 | enouf | trentg: you should be able to easily chainload your winpoop loader - see if anything here helps you work it all out http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm |
| 01:53.30 | dondelelcaro | likaijun: and please refrain from /msg'ing people; keep stuff in the channel |
| 01:53.32 | Dossy | wols: etch-backports. how is that not a debian kernel |
| 01:53.45 | zinx | trentg, who has left after saying something stupid: you changed the order of the drives after you installed debian. your fault, friend. |
| 01:53.55 | enouf | has impeccable timing .. sigh |
| 01:54.23 | enouf | zinx: has impeccable timing too :-p |
| 01:54.42 | rgr | enouf: must have been a glitch. The file with a load of exported one liners works fine now! cool. |
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| 01:54.56 | rgr | get rid of that realplayer junk now. |
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| 01:55.37 | Dossy | Should I try etch-and-a-half or Lenny? |
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| 01:57.20 | geek_ | Dossy: personally i'd just go for lenny |
| 01:57.22 | Coweater | Dossy: do you need hardware support or just want newer packages? |
| 01:57.41 | Dossy | Coweater: I need this hang bug to go away. |
| 01:58.17 | n8ature | does anyone know about rebuilding kernel packages in etch? what is the best way to make a change to this file: include/asm-x86_64/mach-xen/irq_vectors.h and recompile? |
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| 02:01.20 | GetDarker` | Hi, I was wondering if someone can point me in the direction of a decent guide that will enable me to send and recieve email (with POP3) support for my Debian server |
| 02:02.58 | timgoh0 | http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+mail+server |
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| 02:04.31 | rgr | enouf: I would be interested to hear from you if you can get any of the links http://www.ndr1niedersachsen.de/livestream12.html working in mplayer. |
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| 02:06.08 | rgr | GetDarker`: look into procmail, maildir and getmail in conjunction with cron for receiving. |
| 02:06.28 | GetDarker` | I was looking at this postfix and dovecot tutorial |
| 02:06.34 | GetDarker` | but it kinda failed halfway |
| 02:06.38 | rgr | then look into dovecot for your server so you can connect using IMAP |
| 02:06.56 | wols | Dossy: I said it's a lenny or sid kernel or not a debian one at all, and I was right |
| 02:07.07 | wols | Dossy: see those little word "or"? |
| 02:09.30 | Dossy | etch-backports is lenn? |
| 02:09.51 | ceil420 | Lenny is Debian Testing; you can get packages from Lenny back-ported to Etch |
| 02:09.56 | ceil420 | same with Sid (unstable) |
| 02:10.23 | Dossy | OK, so - do I go to etchnhalf, or lenny at this point? |
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| 02:12.17 | ceil420 | i srsly need to get an external hdd usb thing |
| 02:12.18 | enouf | rgr: $ mplayer "http://62.144.180.170:80/ndr/ndr1niedersachsen.mp3" |
| 02:12.21 | Akuw | how can i know the md5 of a string ? |
| 02:12.24 | ceil420 | i suddenly got the urge to watch GitS |
| 02:12.26 | Akuw | md5sum ? |
| 02:12.47 | asg | Akuw: echo -n 'string' | md5sum |
| 02:13.19 | enouf | rgr: $ mplayer -playlist "http://lsd.newmedia.nacamar.net/bb/redirect.lsc?content=live&media=mp3&stream=ndr/ndr1niedersachsen.mp3" works as well |
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| 02:14.06 | Ivko | don't use debian |
| 02:14.07 | Ivko | :) |
| 02:14.08 | enouf | rgr: which is shown as the url in the browser status bar ... when hovering over MP3 |
| 02:14.08 | Akuw | i used md5crypt in grub |
| 02:14.21 | ceil420 | Ivko: i'm tryin' to use debian :x |
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| 02:14.34 | ceil420 | i may have to look into their etch'n'half thing |
| 02:14.47 | Akuw | i got a diferemnt i am getting with echo -n 'secret' | md5sum |
| 02:15.23 | timgoh0 | Akuw: Because md5crypt appends a salt. |
| 02:15.32 | Akuw | hummm |
| 02:15.51 | timgoh0 | Which may or may not be what you want. |
| 02:15.54 | timgoh0 | What is your application? |
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| 02:16.14 | Akuw | once i got the md5 i need to paste in my menu.lst like this password --md5 $dsYhahsh ? |
| 02:16.18 | zinx | timgoh0: it does a lot more than that.. |
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| 02:16.32 | timgoh0 | Akuw: md5crypt. |
| 02:16.34 | zinx | Akuw: use mkpasswd |
| 02:16.48 | enouf | pwgen ? |
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| 02:17.54 | Akuw | how can i protect my grub ? |
| 02:17.58 | zinx | idly wonders why mkpasswd's in the whois package |
| 02:18.07 | zinx | Akuw: you have been told |
| 02:18.13 | timgoh0 | Akuw: Add the passwd line and the appropriate lock entries. |
| 02:18.25 | timgoh0 | Also, it depends on what you mean by "protect" |
| 02:18.38 | timgoh0 | A bloke with a boot disc can get through that. |
| 02:18.40 | Dossy | Ah, I'm just going to install linux-image-2.6.26-bpo.1-686 . |
| 02:19.12 | timgoh0 | zinx: Wait, when you have grub, don't you get grub-md5-crypt? |
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| 02:19.42 | Akuw | right now in my menu.lst i have password --md5 $gGdsr$tst |
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| 02:19.49 | timgoh0 | Akuw: Wrong. |
| 02:19.52 | zinx | timgoh0: ah, that's there as well, but placed in /usr/sbin/ for some strange reason |
| 02:19.55 | Akuw | but when i rebbot, grub don't ask for password |
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| 02:20.04 | timgoh0 | Akuw: It should begin with $1$ |
| 02:20.16 | timgoh0 | AND you have forgotten to specify the keyword "lock" |
| 02:20.16 | zinx | Akuw: /usr/sbin/grub-md5-crypt |
| 02:20.17 | Akuw | ok |
| 02:20.36 | Akuw | ok |
| 02:20.39 | zinx | have to paste the output from that directly, no leaving stuff out |
| 02:20.48 | Akuw | lock before password ? |
| 02:21.02 | timgoh0 | Akuw: Read the section regarding passwords in the /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 02:21.09 | timgoh0 | In the menuentry. |
| 02:21.14 | timgoh0 | # If used in the first section of a menu file, disable all interactive editing |
| 02:21.15 | timgoh0 | # control (menu entry editor and command-line) and entries protected by the |
| 02:21.15 | timgoh0 | # command 'lock' |
| 02:21.36 | ceil420 | timgoh0: http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 02:21.46 | timgoh0 | ceil420: Oops. |
| 02:21.50 | ceil420 | (just sayin') |
| 02:21.55 | timgoh0 | Three line's ok, right? :D |
| 02:22.09 | asg | timgoh0: the three came rather quickly after the previous two though |
| 02:22.17 | timgoh0 | asg: I live dangerously. |
| 02:22.20 | ceil420 | lol |
| 02:22.25 | asg | timgoh0: we know, danger is your middle name |
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| 02:22.31 | ceil420 | irssi's default timestamp doesn't have seconds :x |
| 02:22.38 | Akuw | sorry |
| 02:22.49 | Akuw | i read, but don't know where to put it |
| 02:22.51 | ceil420 | i just went to tty2 for a few seconds and came back and saw five lines that looked like a paste in a minute |
| 02:22.52 | asg | ceil420: if you are worried about seconds, you really need to lighten up on your schedule |
| 02:23.12 | ceil420 | asg: i'm kinda neurotic about things like that, i just don't know how to change irssi's timestamp :x |
| 02:23.18 | rgr | enouf: the annoying problem is that the url in "mplayer -cache 32 -playlist http://www.dradio.de/streaming/dkultur_hq_ogg.m3u " cant be put in a playlist file from what I can gather. |
| 02:23.28 | timgoh0 | asg: 4 seconds is very important. |
| 02:23.32 | asg | ceil420: it's in the manual somehwere (/usr/share/doc/irssi/*) |
| 02:24.04 | ceil420 | asg: cba atm, it's not bugging me that much |
| 02:24.06 | ceil420 | i'll RTFM later |
| 02:25.41 | timgoh0 | asg: The default time for a fragmentation grenade fuse. |
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| 02:27.13 | timgoh0 | ceil420: I think you want "/format timestamp {timestamp %%H:%%M:%%S }" |
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| 02:27.58 | ceil420 | hmm |
| 02:28.03 | ceil420 | ah thanks timgoh0 |
| 02:28.20 | timgoh0 | considers bugging ceil420 every second |
| 02:28.33 | ceil420 | lol |
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| 02:28.47 | enouf | rgr: what? |
| 02:29.12 | enouf | rgr: i don't know what you mean by "playlist" |
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| 02:29.45 | rgr | What we were talking about. A playlist file. It can contain multiple URLs. You then use < and > to change "tracks" |
| 02:29.47 | timgoh0 | Akuw: In the menu entry. |
| 02:29.59 | enouf | rgr: you want to play files in succession, but not locally stored one? streams? |
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| 02:30.26 | enouf | rgr: never heard of it - but try #mplayer |
| 02:30.32 | rgr | enou. I want to move between them using the keys. That works. Its the whole point. |
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| 02:31.00 | rgr | problem is some "streams" are playlists themselves for some reason even though they are only one stream. |
| 02:31.00 | enouf | rgr: ok, well, i never tried and have no need to |
| 02:31.47 | timgoh0 | Brillant. J leads, and I have no hot air gun. |
| 02:32.01 | enouf | rgr: look at mplayer output in term , it says "Playing ....." use that URI, rather than using -playlist ... |
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| 02:32.19 | enouf | Playing http://62.144.180.170:80/ndr/ndr1niedersachsen.mp3. |
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| 02:33.03 | Akuw | doesn`t work |
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| 02:33.19 | enouf | rgr: .ram and other various files are just small crap files that either contain the real stream URL or another pointer to another file that does |
| 02:33.38 | timgoh0 | Akuw: http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/40/227/ |
| 02:33.55 | rgr | enouf: the ram files work fine in a playlist file. Its the ogg m3u crap that doesnt work. |
| 02:34.02 | timgoh0 | THE SAME FSCKING THING IS IN THE CONF FILE! |
| 02:34.15 | timgoh0 | WTF is "doesn't work" anyway? |
| 02:34.31 | timgoh0 | asg: You're right. Sunday has arrived. |
| 02:34.36 | rgr | timgoh0: are you talking to me? |
| 02:34.46 | timgoh0 | rgr: Not you. Akuw |
| 02:34.55 | rgr | k. |
| 02:34.59 | timgoh0 | rgr: Sorry. |
| 02:35.07 | rgr | np. |
| 02:35.10 | timgoh0 | wanders off to get another coffee. |
| 02:35.31 | rgr | thinks timgoh0 probably needs less coffee .. :-; |
| 02:35.45 | enouf | rgr: you're not listening to me - but whatever |
| 02:35.53 | warchief_ryan | how can I associate a application with a command? so i don't have to keep entering the directory? |
| 02:36.36 | timgoh0 | warchief_ryan: a) Stick it in your path b) alias it if you're using bash c) Stick it in one of the directories that is already in your path. |
| 02:36.55 | enouf | rgr: /tmp$ wget -P. "http://www.dradio.de/streaming/dkultur_hq_ogg.m3u" |
| 02:37.05 | timgoh0 | a) may be very dangerous, b) may not be what you need, c) will get you killed if you're on my machine. |
| 02:37.09 | enouf | rgr: /tmp$ less ./dkultur_hq_ogg.m3u |
| 02:37.19 | warchief_ryan | lol |
| 02:37.28 | enouf | rgr: $ cat ./dkultur_hq_ogg.m3u |
| 02:37.28 | enouf | http://dradio-ogg.t-bn.de/dkultur_high.ogg |
| 02:37.44 | geek_ | timgoh0: quickly or painfully for c? ;p |
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| 02:38.15 | enouf | rgr: use that, NOT mplayer ... -playlist http://www.dradio.de/streaming/dkultur_hq_ogg.m3u |
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| 02:39.45 | enouf | rgr: the m3u file is type --> [audio/x-mpegurl] |
| 02:39.55 | cakofony | I just installed my ati drivers, and i'm getting a problem with drm as a user, it works fine as root. I even added the dri section in my xorg.conf, which normally fixes the problem. |
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| 02:40.55 | cakofony | any ideas? |
| 02:41.14 | iamwoody | permission? |
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| 02:41.39 | Akuw | ok |
| 02:41.57 | Akuw | please, send me the link again to configure grub with password |
| 02:42.03 | cakofony | iamwoody: how would I change that? |
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| 02:42.17 | creative2bad | how do i update the locate database? |
| 02:43.14 | iamwoody | i am not sure, would you give me more imformation? |
| 02:43.29 | timgoh0 | geek_: Painfully. |
| 02:43.32 | timgoh0 | And slowly. |
| 02:43.56 | Dossy | creative2bad: updatedb |
| 02:43.57 | enouf | creative2bad: updatedb |
| 02:44.00 | timgoh0 | Akuw: http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/40/227/ |
| 02:44.18 | cakofony | iamwoody: when I run glxinfo as user, i get "libGL error: open DRM failed (Operation not permitted)", but that line doesnt appear as root. |
| 02:44.19 | timgoh0 | Akuw: I assume your client has a backscroll? |
| 02:44.25 | creative2bad | thank you |
| 02:45.00 | Akuw | i am in another computer, my daugther kidnapping my computer to play supertux :S |
| 02:45.09 | cakofony | iamwoody: but I added the dri section in my xorg.conf, which normally fixes that :-/ maybe if i chmod the file itself |
| 02:45.36 | timgoh0 | Akuw: OK, and the client there doesn't have a backscroll? |
| 02:45.45 | warchief_ryan | http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/40/227/ |
| 02:46.14 | Akuw | she don't want i touch that computer |
| 02:46.25 | Akuw | there is only tux tux |
| 02:46.29 | Akuw | hehe |
| 02:46.30 | iamwoody | hey i think just the X11 |
| 02:46.37 | iamwoody | i have a idea |
| 02:48.37 | iamwoody | maybe, you need to reconfigure the xorg.conf |
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| 02:50.24 | extor | Is sid really that far off from lenny or is it almost the same? I am just wondering if there is anythin radically different in sid compared to lenny, at least as far as eye candy is concerned |
| 02:50.39 | enouf | creative2bad: /msg dpkg dlocate (handy as well) |
| 02:53.53 | unop | extor, depends, lenny goes through freezes from time to time but sid is almost always going through change - can't tell you about eye candy tho. |
| 02:56.06 | extor | sighs...time to download a sid dvd |
| 02:56.18 | enouf | extor: there is none |
| 02:56.43 | enouf | should've let you search for hours though |
| 02:57.04 | ceil420 | lol |
| 02:57.17 | ceil420 | extor: gotta go through the upgrade path to get to sid |
| 02:57.34 | ceil420 | i'd do it, but Lenny is unstable enough for me :x |
| 02:57.56 | ceil420 | (2:38 uptime atm) |
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| 02:58.11 | extor | I thought sid dvds were in iso form on the site? |
| 02:58.18 | ceil420 | negative |
| 02:58.21 | ceil420 | sid's a moving target |
| 02:58.27 | ceil420 | they'd have to release a new iso every day |
| 02:58.36 | Polizei | lenny... wonder when it will be released... |
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| 02:59.09 | Polizei | i think its quite stable at this time, but im not going to test it unless i see it released... |
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| 02:59.52 | trentgg | I'm back... where do I get firmware for wireless cards? |
| 03:00.04 | ceil420 | t's not very stable for me, but hopefully my painful debugging method will find out why |
| 03:00.15 | timgoh0 | WHERE IN THE NINE HELLS IS MY COFFEE? |
| 03:00.21 | timgoh0 | will have to rectify this problem. |
| 03:00.27 | ceil420 | nothing else, i'll paste an lshw to whatever bug tracking stuff there is for debian and see if anyone spots a problem :x |
| 03:02.37 | unop | !wwlr |
| 03:02.37 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 03:03.11 | ceil420 | wonder if my problem is among said bugs :x |
| 03:03.58 | cvn | hi, i am trying to wget a file on the web, but the url contains "(", then the error gives "-bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('". Is there a way to download the file? |
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| 03:04.12 | timgoh0 | cvn: Quote it. |
| 03:04.44 | cvn | ah it works, thanks |
| 03:05.22 | timgoh0 | In other news, I have a coffee. |
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| 03:14.09 | creative2bad | can i get xml-rpc via apt-get? |
| 03:14.16 | creative2bad | i get tons of errors when trying to compile manually.. |
| 03:14.17 | creative2bad | :/ |
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| 03:14.44 | timgoh0 | creative2bad: libxmlrpc? |
| 03:15.11 | creative2bad | no such package |
| 03:15.11 | creative2bad | :( |
| 03:15.20 | creative2bad | i tried that already |
| 03:15.33 | timgoh0 | creative2bad: What are you running? |
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| 03:16.11 | creative2bad | trying to get wtorrent installed |
| 03:16.14 | creative2bad | but i need that lib to install first |
| 03:16.21 | enouf | !tell creative2bad -about apt-file |
| 03:16.44 | timgoh0 | !info libxmlrpc-c3-dev |
| 03:16.47 | enouf | !tell creative2bad -about search |
| 03:16.48 | dpkg | libxmlrpc-c3-dev: (A lightweight RPC library based on XML and HTTP for C and C++), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1.06.27-1 (sid), Packaged size: 359 kB, Installed size: 1436 kB |
| 03:16.54 | timgoh0 | It's there. |
| 03:17.29 | creative2bad | thank you |
| 03:17.34 | creative2bad | sorry i'm new to linux :) |
| 03:17.36 | enouf | creative2bad: /msg dpkg build-essential |
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| 03:18.35 | enouf | creative2bad: headers for builds are in -dev named pkgs |
| 03:18.45 | dudeman | hm |
| 03:18.57 | enouf | ruh roh |
| 03:19.51 | enouf | rhaggy? |
| 03:19.56 | timgoh0 | has a sudden urge to go build himself a ginormous sandwich |
| 03:20.23 | enouf | a mere scooby snack :-P |
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| 03:32.33 | geek_ | yay. installation worked |
| 03:32.44 | geek_ | turned out my winbox can't burn a disk to save its life ;p |
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| 03:43.27 | dudeman | between windows CE, ME, and NT.. you know someone got the cemented.. the user. |
| 03:43.57 | zinx | dudeman: try ##windows, that's offtopic here :P |
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| 03:44.58 | dudeman | heh, thats horrible advice |
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| 03:45.07 | dudeman | you want me to go to ##windows to bash windows |
| 03:45.08 | dudeman | lol |
| 03:45.09 | dudeman | :) |
| 03:45.17 | zinx | dudeman: i want you to stop doing it in #debian. |
| 03:45.37 | dudeman | thats fine |
| 03:45.46 | dudeman | but that was terrible advice regardless |
| 03:45.47 | ubd | i think dudeman is right |
| 03:45.52 | geek_ | dudeman: well i burnt the cd on another debian box... after 'borrowing' the dvd burner ;p |
| 03:46.05 | dudeman | and it was a clever remark |
| 03:46.18 | dudeman | CE, ME, NT.. cement... nm |
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| 03:48.42 | abrotman | dudeman: don't you have your own channel for that? |
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| 03:52.16 | geek_ | abrotman: #badpun? ;p |
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| 04:10.58 | cafuego | nownow, none of that |
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| 04:21.19 | heroxbd | Hello. I want to merge my old icedove mbox files into a single mail respository for reference. What's good to use? |
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| 04:22.49 | efaistos | heroxbd: mb2md - Converting Mbox mailboxes to Maildir format |
| 04:22.53 | efaistos | ? |
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| 04:23.28 | Aaron__ | hey how do i mount a windows partition? |
| 04:23.49 | efaistos | mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ? |
| 04:23.59 | Aaron__ | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 04:24.02 | heroxbd | efaistos: Can I merge multiple mbox files into a single Maildir? |
| 04:24.20 | efaistos | heroxbd: prbably dont know |
| 04:24.28 | efaistos | Aaron__: ntfs ? fat ? |
| 04:24.41 | Aaron__ | ntfs |
| 04:24.46 | Aaron__ | efaistos, how do i see all my partitions? |
| 04:25.11 | qq | !ntfs-g3 |
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| 04:25.19 | efaistos | Aaron__: fdisk -l |
| 04:25.22 | heroxbd | !ntfs-3g |
| 04:25.22 | qq | !ntfs-3g |
| 04:25.22 | dpkg | well, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
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| 04:25.55 | efaistos | Aaron__: install ntfs3g as everbody just told you :P |
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| 04:26.09 | Aaron__ | E: Couldn't find package ntfs3g |
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| 04:26.49 | abrotman | !bpo |
| 04:26.49 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
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| 04:33.20 | Ivis | Please who can help to know my motherboard support usb flash boot? |
| 04:33.38 | Ivis | does my MB support usb flash boot, in boot device selection i got this i got Floppy,LS120,HDD,CDROM,ZIP,USB-FDD,USB-ZIP,USB-cdrom,USB-HDD,Legacy lan |
| 04:33.47 | Ivis | i got this in boot device selection |
| 04:33.59 | Ivis | can i boot in from flash? |
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| 04:48.29 | enouf | Ivis: usb-hdd likely |
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| 04:49.14 | TunisUnit | Is it possible to download Maemo |
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| 04:49.50 | TunisUnit | to install it on our own hardware |
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| 04:51.29 | anomaly | any ideas on this..xmms plays fine, but in iceweasel, the flash video plays but no sound. |
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| 04:57.27 | anomaly | looks like its trying to use alsa |
| 04:59.21 | enouf | anomaly: got alsa-oss installed? |
| 05:00.35 | anomaly | enouf just did.. still nothing |
| 05:01.56 | enouf | anomaly: i don't use flash, nor iceweasel |
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| 05:02.18 | enouf | anomaly: modprobe snd_mixer_oss |
| 05:03.04 | anomaly | ah well, sound works except with iw. ah well, will keep tinkering.. ty anyway |
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| 05:30.19 | p_quarles | hi -- I'm trying to connect two debian boxes via ethernet: i.e., there's an ethernet cable running between them, no router -- what's a way to get them to talk? |
| 05:33.52 | alch3my | is it twisted network cable? |
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| 05:34.16 | PeterFA | Is it Synaptic that's experimental and shouldn't be used? |
| 05:34.19 | alch3my | duno, ive forgotten all that shit since i got a router/hub |
| 05:34.39 | ceil420 | even Etch has synaptic doesn't it? |
| 05:35.03 | PeterFA | There is one that Ubuntu uses by default that just hoses the system. |
| 05:35.05 | alch3my | ill be the one asking all these questions when i give my gateway a fresh format... :~) |
| 05:35.19 | alch3my | .. maybe. ;p |
| 05:35.19 | ceil420 | gnome-add-remove or something? |
| 05:35.28 | ceil420 | (i still prefer Synaptic to that, though) |
| 05:35.42 | alch3my | what is synaptic? |
| 05:35.46 | alch3my | !whatis synatpic |
| 05:35.54 | alch3my | sif whatis doesnt work |
| 05:35.55 | ceil420 | aptitude with a GUI |
| 05:35.59 | alch3my | ahh |
| 05:36.03 | ceil420 | !tell alch3my about synaptic |
| 05:36.18 | alch3my | that the little orange box in my systray telling me '4 updates available'? |
| 05:36.39 | ceil420 | heh |
| 05:36.43 | ceil420 | it never alerted me |
| 05:37.09 | alch3my | mouse over it ;p |
| 05:37.14 | Polizei | synaptic is that stupid stuff people get used to use from ubuntu... |
| 05:37.27 | alch3my | nah, cant be.. all this is telling me 'software pref' |
| 05:37.40 | alch3my | media/inet updates/auth |
| 05:37.47 | alch3my | fuck ubuntu |
| 05:37.48 | alch3my | ok? |
| 05:37.49 | alch3my | :D |
| 05:37.49 | ceil420 | Polizei: i find it easier to browse through synaptic than apt-cache search |
| 05:37.57 | alch3my | <3 apt-cache |
| 05:37.57 | ceil420 | sue me for enjoying convenience |
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| 05:38.15 | alch3my | you cant use ya precious synaptic through shell ! |
| 05:38.16 | alch3my | ;p |
| 05:38.22 | ceil420 | (and Ubuntu has it's own Add-Remove program) |
| 05:38.25 | p_quarles | alch3my: /me sues ceil420 for enjoying convenience |
| 05:38.33 | ceil420 | oh noes! |
| 05:38.35 | p_quarles | oops! |
| 05:38.36 | alch3my | is it called apt-get also? ceil420 ? |
| 05:38.37 | Polizei | ceil420, apt-cache search blah | grep bleh is a good way to start thinking, while synaptic is just another way start clicking over some boxes... |
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| 05:38.55 | alch3my | because you know, ubuntu is the DUMBED down version of debian ;p |
| 05:38.59 | WormFood | p_quarles, you need a "crossover ethernet" cable to make it work like that...that is, assuming you're not using ancient style coax ethernet |
| 05:39.12 | alch3my | hows it go |
| 05:39.22 | Polizei | it can be really useful to somebody, but just as a start to the proper (*console*) way |
| 05:39.26 | ceil420 | Polizei: there's not much thinking to apt-cache, just more typing and scrolling, and then when you do find something that may suit you, you have to use a separate command (apt-cache show) to see if it's really what you need |
| 05:39.31 | ceil420 | fuck all that |
| 05:39.34 | alch3my | Ubuntu "is a Swahili word that means 'Too stupid to configure Debian." |
| 05:39.41 | ceil420 | i know how to use both systems, and i find Synaptic easier |
| 05:39.56 | ceil420 | i still use apt-cache when i don't feel like waiting for Synaptic to load and just need a one-off program |
| 05:39.58 | p_quarles | WormFood: why would the cable style make a difference? isn't this just a matter of running the proper daemon on one of the machines? |
| 05:40.06 | ceil420 | but when i set out to install dozens of programs, i'm using Synaptic |
| 05:40.10 | WormFood | ubuntu is for people that need to protect them from themselves |
| 05:40.22 | alch3my | p_quarles: makes all the difference, one you use connected to a hub, the other you use connected between just two computers |
| 05:40.40 | alch3my | twisted/untwisted.. i dont know the tech term.. thats as tech as i get on that ;p |
| 05:40.49 | alch3my | ubuntu is a joke |
| 05:40.50 | WormFood | p_quarles, you have 4 wires being used....Tx and Rx....+ and -....how are the 2 machines gonna talk if both your Tx lines are connected together |
| 05:40.52 | ceil420 | alch3my: patch/crossover cable? |
| 05:40.56 | alch3my | thats the one! |
| 05:40.57 | alch3my | crossover |
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| 05:41.13 | WormFood | p_quarles, that is like trying to talk into the ear piece, and listen to the moth piece on a telephone |
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| 05:41.35 | alch3my | mehe |
| 05:41.37 | alch3my | moth peice |
| 05:41.37 | alch3my | ;p |
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| 05:41.41 | alch3my | pice |
| 05:41.43 | Polizei | alch3my, ubuntu comes a way much easier to install and use than debian, but its still nothing more than just an easy linux start for the windows' refugee... |
| 05:41.45 | alch3my | fuck. i stuffed that one up ;p |
| 05:41.48 | WormFood | mouth....you know what I mean |
| 05:41.50 | p_quarles | WormFood: okay, understood; is there a way of telling, other than failing to get it working? |
| 05:42.05 | WormFood | p_quarles, look at the colors of the wires |
| 05:42.21 | alch3my | doesnt mean i have to like the lusers using ubuntu when they could be using the best OS out there... *hides while he reinstalls XP on the gaming box* |
| 05:42.24 | WormFood | p_quarles, if the wires are the same colors on each of the pins, then it won't work (not a cross over cable |
| 05:42.28 | ceil420 | Debian's not particularly difficult to install, even in expert mode |
| 05:42.43 | ceil420 | i've got it down to ten minutes (granted, that's without extra packages) |
| 05:42.48 | p_quarles | WormFood: they're 4 different colors; I guess I'm good? |
| 05:43.00 | alch3my | do that on dialup ceil420, we'll see how your ten minutes goes ;p |
| 05:43.09 | WormFood | standard 8p8c connectors (commonly, incorrectly called "cat 5"), only use 4 wires |
| 05:43.13 | ceil420 | alch3my: base install doesn't have to download extra packages :p |
| 05:43.23 | alch3my | well pft. that doesnt count then ;p |
| 05:43.29 | ceil420 | incorrectly indeed, cat5 has 8 :p |
| 05:43.41 | alch3my | what was BNC then? |
| 05:43.41 | Polizei | whee, i've installed mines on-the-fly over a running ubuntu :> |
| 05:43.43 | alch3my | cat2? |
| 05:43.44 | ceil420 | alch3my: hence the "without extra packages" :p |
| 05:43.58 | WormFood | "cat5" can't be used on ethernet |
| 05:43.58 | alch3my | meeeeeeh! ;p |
| 05:44.03 | ceil420 | lol? |
| 05:44.13 | ceil420 | cat5 and cat6 are always used on ethernet |
| 05:44.14 | Polizei | i didnt have a blank cd to burn, so ive decided to put it on my swap partition :> |
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| 05:44.21 | ceil420 | i kinda make my living setting that up |
| 05:44.27 | WormFood | er, I mean RJ-45, not cat5 |
| 05:44.32 | alch3my | hahaha |
| 05:44.34 | ceil420 | oh |
| 05:44.35 | WormFood | cat5 is the cable/wire |
| 05:44.35 | alch3my | gg RJ45 ;p |
| 05:44.41 | WormFood | RJ-45 is the connector |
| 05:44.44 | WormFood | my bad |
| 05:44.45 | ceil420 | yeah |
| 05:44.46 | alch3my | yah |
| 05:44.56 | WormFood | RJ45 is not used with ethernet |
| 05:45.00 | ceil420 | i need to get some rj-45s |
| 05:45.01 | alch3my | isnt it? |
| 05:45.13 | ceil420 | we use 'em to plug in wireless access points sometimes |
| 05:45.14 | alch3my | looks at the end of all 3 network cables |
| 05:45.14 | alch3my | hmm |
| 05:45.16 | alch3my | coulda fooled me ;p |
| 05:45.18 | WormFood | it is correctly called 8P8C |
| 05:45.28 | ceil420 | not often, but often enough that i should have a 6-pack of 'em |
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| 05:45.34 | alch3my | well if you want to be politically correct, you wouldnt have voted for bush! |
| 05:45.47 | WormFood | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rj45 |
| 05:45.58 | alch3my | when i get the winbox back up, ill check that link |
| 05:46.09 | alch3my | maybe. |
| 05:46.10 | alch3my | ;p |
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| 05:46.33 | WormFood | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack |
| 05:46.52 | WormFood | read those if you think ethernet uses a real RJ45 connector |
| 05:46.58 | p_quarles | this is not really answering my question, informative as it is; presuming I have the right equipment, what tool would I use to connect two computers via a network cable? |
| 05:47.05 | WormFood | anyways.... as I was saying.... |
| 05:47.06 | alch3my | its a peice of cable |
| 05:47.07 | alch3my | deal with it ;p |
| 05:47.23 | ceil420 | p_quarles: a patch cable? |
| 05:47.27 | WormFood | look at pin 1 of each cable, if they are the same color on both ends, then it is not a cross-over cable |
| 05:47.30 | alch3my | WormFood works for AT&T.. |
| 05:47.32 | alch3my | ;p |
| 05:47.51 | alch3my | your networking is all backwards man! ;p |
| 05:47.54 | iamwoody | T568-B and T568-A |
| 05:47.56 | ceil420 | it's green-white and blue-white that get switched for a cross-over cable |
| 05:47.56 | WormFood | yeah, I work for the chinese division of AT&T |
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| 05:48.01 | alch3my | hahahaha |
| 05:48.02 | ceil420 | "first pin" would be orange solid |
| 05:48.06 | alch3my | aka 'call center' |
| 05:48.06 | alch3my | ;p |
| 05:48.08 | WormFood | ceil420, the colors do not matter |
| 05:48.13 | ceil420 | (or brown-white if you're holding it upside-down) |
| 05:48.20 | WormFood | what matters is the pairs |
| 05:48.26 | ceil420 | WormFood: you just said 'if they are the same color...' |
| 05:48.26 | iamwoody | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.47 | WormFood | the pairs are 1-2, 3-6, 4-5, and 7-8 |
| 05:48.55 | WormFood | for ethernet |
| 05:49.07 | iamwoody | of course ethnet |
| 05:49.18 | alch3my | ive not had to put a network cable together before. |
| 05:49.19 | ceil420 | i just know when i stick a jack on for a WAP, it's O O-W B G-W G B-W Br Br-W |
| 05:49.23 | WormFood | if the wires to the pairs 1-2 and 3-6 match on both ends, then it is not a cross-over cable |
| 05:49.45 | ceil420 | (which i've only had to do once, but i'm pretty sure that's the right order) |
| 05:49.46 | p_quarles | what software tool would I use to get the two PCs to talk to each other, via the correct network cable? |
| 05:49.55 | iamwoody | yeah |
| 05:50.03 | WormFood | pins 1-2 one end, need to go to pins 3-6 on the other end |
| 05:50.04 | iamwoody | TCP/IP |
| 05:50.13 | WormFood | p_quarles, ping |
| 05:50.20 | alch3my | p_quarles, you need the network cable first.. unplug them both.. hold the ends near each other and tell us if its a crossover or not |
| 05:50.25 | WormFood | don't even need tcp/ip...icmp will test it |
| 05:50.32 | ceil420 | i think he means a network configuration tool |
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| 05:50.36 | ceil420 | (of which i know none) |
| 05:50.41 | alch3my | jed /etc/resolv.conf isnt it? |
| 05:50.51 | WormFood | also, you should get a link light if it is a cross-over cable, when plugged in |
| 05:50.51 | alch3my | or hosts |
| 05:50.53 | alch3my | i forgets |
| 05:50.55 | phorce1 | if it was professionally assembled then the colors DO matter. If it was put together by the local "networking guy" then the colors may or may not be in the right positions |
| 05:51.02 | WormFood | resolv.conf is for dns |
| 05:51.12 | alch3my | yeah well, ive not had to use it since ive been on adsl ;; |
| 05:51.13 | alch3my | ;p |
| 05:51.24 | ceil420 | phorce1: i was taught how to terminate for a WAP based on colour pairs |
| 05:51.31 | p_quarles | okay, yes, of course I need the right hardware |
| 05:51.39 | iamwoody | a switch |
| 05:51.40 | ceil420 | for regular in-wall jacks, there's the little sticker outlining T65B to help :p |
| 05:51.48 | iamwoody | or router |
| 05:51.50 | iamwoody | hahaha |
| 05:51.56 | alch3my | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.01 | p_quarles | that's not my question: what software would I use to acquire an IP address for one that would be reachable by the PC address at the other? |
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| 05:52.13 | WormFood | p_quarles, dhcp server and client |
| 05:52.14 | ceil420 | (i know the order, but the sticker does help prevent errors) |
| 05:52.15 | iamwoody | static or dhcp |
| 05:52.16 | alch3my | p_quarles, ifconfig eth0 |
| 05:52.16 | WormFood | but why? |
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| 05:52.25 | WormFood | simply give each machine a static IP |
| 05:52.35 | alch3my | then ping the boxs ip from the other box |
| 05:52.38 | ceil420 | blue at bottom left, then brown orange and green clockwise from there iirc |
| 05:52.40 | alch3my | and youll know if its connected |
| 05:52.51 | ceil420 | (on an ortronics jack) |
| 05:52.56 | p_quarles | okay, so there's nothing special to do then |
| 05:52.58 | ceil420 | systimax jacks suck |
| 05:53.02 | alch3my | ortronics? wtf is that |
| 05:53.06 | phorce1 | ceil420: not everyone was. I've watched more than one idiot crimp a cable by holding both ends in his hand to make sure he got the "same colors in the same places" (not the CORRECT colors, just the same colors) |
| 05:53.13 | ceil420 | a company that makes jacks and patch panels etc |
| 05:53.22 | phorce1 | http://www.hardwarebook.info/Ethernet_10/100/1000Base-T_and_100Base-T4_Crossover |
| 05:53.23 | ceil420 | phorce1: heh |
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| 05:53.42 | phorce1 | http://www.hardwarebook.info/Ethernet_10/100/1000Base-T_Straight_Thru |
| 05:53.58 | ceil420 | i'd call him lazy, but it seems that it'd take more effort to make sure your random terminating matches than to just do it the standard way and be done with it |
| 05:54.08 | ceil420 | i guess 'ignorant' would be more apt |
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| 05:54.18 | WormFood | and another thing, people seem to forget about ethernet....there is a MINIMUM cable length too |
| 05:54.24 | alch3my | apt-get ignorant |
| 05:54.26 | alch3my | oO |
| 05:54.28 | alch3my | ;p |
| 05:54.29 | ceil420 | lol |
| 05:54.38 | phorce1 | By the way everyone -- The Hardware Book is an installable Debian package -- get it -- now. 'aptitude install hwb' |
| 05:54.44 | ceil420 | WormFood: 2' works |
| 05:54.52 | alch3my | sif aptitude install |
| 05:54.55 | alch3my | apt-get install dammit |
| 05:54.59 | ceil420 | the cable we use on our modtap isn't much longer than that |
| 05:55.21 | ceil420 | i think the max length for cat5 is like 325' |
| 05:55.25 | ceil420 | (dunno about cat6) |
| 05:55.31 | phorce1 | needs to run and take those 7" jumpers out of the Gigabit switches OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:55.35 | WormFood | ceil420, I didn't say it wouldn't work, I said the specs call for a minimum length |
| 05:55.47 | ceil420 | lol phorce1 |
| 05:55.50 | WormFood | I know for 10baseT it is 6 feet |
| 05:56.00 | WormFood | I don't know what it is for anything newer |
| 05:56.07 | ceil420 | WormFood: probably just long enough for the twists in the cable to make a full cycle or whatever |
| 05:56.12 | craigevil | clear |
| 05:56.17 | ceil420 | (blue pair is twisted looser than brown pair, etc) |
| 05:56.28 | ceil420 | common denominators and all that jazz |
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| 05:56.34 | WormFood | ceil420, probably because of the impedance, but I don't know for sure |
| 05:56.45 | phorce1 | The shortest end-to-end cable in the system is about 10" long running from a switch to a server. 10base1000 |
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| 05:57.11 | WormFood | phorce1, what do the specs call for as a minimum length? |
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| 05:57.24 | ceil420 | i think the shortest patch cable i've used to date is 7', but our testing equipment uses 2-3' cables |
| 05:57.50 | ceil420 | and if 3' is good enough for a $17,000 DTX-1200, it's good enough for me :p |
| 05:58.03 | alch3my | yeah well, im better than you, i dont know the length of any of my cables |
| 05:58.15 | alch3my | nher1 |
| 05:58.15 | alch3my | ! |
| 05:58.24 | ceil420 | o_O |
| 05:58.32 | phorce1 | WormFood: Never saw a minimum length listed. And do not see any noise issues on the short cables. We custom made our server cables to exact lengths to avoid tangle and crosstalk |
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| 05:58.46 | alch3my | theres one red one thats wound up.. cause its plugged into a laptop while sitting on the box ~30cm away from the router |
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| 05:59.04 | ceil420 | phorce1: wish my company did that |
| 05:59.23 | ceil420 | in the only closet i've had to help patch so far, we just used 7' cables for everything |
| 05:59.28 | alch3my | and a blue one and a lellow one |
| 05:59.33 | ceil420 | filled up the wire managers somethin' awful :x |
| 05:59.38 | WormFood | I never said it wouldn't work, I simply said the specs call for a minimum cable length |
| 05:59.44 | alch3my | ... wire... managers? |
| 05:59.47 | phorce1 | ceil420: our power cable mess sucks bad enough. And it's my company so I said --- uh-uh, no more mess |
| 05:59.47 | alch3my | what is this you speak of! |
| 05:59.51 | samantha-b- | I want to run a command in every directory in a list. the script "reflac" works as intended. will this do what i want? http://pastebin.com/d645c1df1 |
| 06:00.06 | ceil420 | well i don't own the company i work for, so i really have no say :p |
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| 06:00.31 | ceil420 | alch3my: something that hold wires out of the way on racks for servers and switches |
| 06:00.34 | Tilt | anybody know of a way to get gnome-terminal to display high ansi chars, i know in other terminals it's as easy as just telling the terminal to use a font that contains the chars (vga/bright/nexus/etc are a few fonts i know have the extended vga chars in them) |
| 06:00.35 | ceil420 | holds* |
| 06:00.52 | WormFood | my friend was walking by a room, and saw their little short patch cables, and told them they are too short, and they told him he was crazy, because they never heard of a minimum length....because I told him about the minimum length, he asked me to back up what I said....less than 5 minutes, I had an intel web site saying the minimum length for 10baseT is 6 feet |
| 06:00.52 | alch3my | taps nose |
| 06:01.01 | alch3my | i was being sarcastic.. this being the internet, you should have known that ;p |
| 06:01.32 | WormFood | Tilt, are you asking for fonts with those characters? |
| 06:01.34 | samantha-b- | i've seen 1- and 3-foot cables on sale at fry's. |
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| 06:01.38 | ceil420 | intel website lies |
| 06:02.14 | Tilt | WormFood: ones that wither work in gnome-terminal or an explination of how to wave a magic wand and have it display the extended vga char set :) |
| 06:02.14 | WormFood | well, "intel" is less than 1/2 of "intelligence" |
| 06:02.16 | ceil420 | show me one from Berk-Tek or Systimax, or Superior Essex |
| 06:02.21 | ceil420 | heh |
| 06:02.28 | phorce1 | ceil420: we just need to finish moving the stuff out of the bolted down 2 post rack into the rack cabinet that's on wheels. Then we'll be able to better contain the mess. |
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| 06:02.39 | WormFood | Tilt, http://home.earthlink.net/~us5zahns/enl/ansifont.html |
| 06:02.57 | Tilt | i know where to get the fonts, i need ones that work with gnome-terminal :) |
| 06:03.11 | complex_number | I tried to install debian on my Pioneer DVD-212 but it said I need an additional driver loaded |
| 06:03.16 | ceil420 | phorce1: good wire management is worth it, i say; even if it were just for the looks :p |
| 06:03.17 | WormFood | Tilt, IT DOES WORK WITH GnomeTerminal! |
| 06:03.22 | complex_number | it didn't like my SATA burner |
| 06:03.26 | ceil420 | i have seen well-dressed closets, and that's some good lookin' stuff |
| 06:03.38 | ceil420 | Tilt: Terminus is a good font |
| 06:03.41 | WormFood | Tilt, you'll have to manually type in the name of the font, instead of selecting it off the GUI |
| 06:03.43 | ceil420 | i forget where you can get it though |
| 06:04.38 | Polizei | hmm... i always use fixedsys... bad windoze habits... |
| 06:04.43 | phorce1 | ceil420: it's not for the looks, I hate having to get behind the rack |
| 06:04.43 | ceil420 | heh |
| 06:04.48 | ceil420 | i don't even know what i'm using now |
| 06:05.28 | WormFood | I find having the right font for looking at warez .nfo files is really nice |
| 06:05.53 | Tilt | i don't know as i like that solution, kinda seems like a dirty lil work around.... but i suppose if it's the only way i'll just keep using rxvt or xterm |
| 06:05.59 | ceil420 | i just don't look at warez nfo files :p |
| 06:06.01 | phorce1 | Oh, WormFood I guess there are minimums but the 1000base-TX protocols have been modified to make them redundant -- and I only run gigabit in the office http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_physical_layer#Ethernet_Minimum_Cable_Lengths |
| 06:06.36 | WormFood | I'm surprised that web site with the vga fonts is still working....I've had a link to it for at least 5 years http://abwl.wormfood.net/#oddnfo |
| 06:07.17 | Tilt | i usualy just google a few of there names, and i always find a page with a few of them on it |
| 06:08.26 | WormFood | phorce1, good job, at finding what I was talking about....I wasn't sure of the minimum cable lengths with new technology (which is why I didn't say anything about anything other than 10baseT) |
| 06:10.40 | timgoh0 | sits unhappy with his burnt 1000base-LX transcievers. |
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| 06:18.35 | prolix | dances |
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| 06:20.16 | fale | hi |
| 06:20.55 | fale | how can I move a big amount of files to a server having an ssh connection to the server? |
| 06:21.07 | Tilt | scp |
| 06:21.09 | alch3my | fuck windowz :( |
| 06:21.19 | fale | Tilt: thx :) |
| 06:21.28 | alch3my | default install just sent my monitor "Out of range" |
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| 06:21.32 | alch3my | growl |
| 06:21.33 | Tilt | cp -C might help |
| 06:21.36 | Tilt | err scp -C |
| 06:22.15 | fale | Tilt: thx :) |
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| 06:25.03 | iamwoody | NFS |
| 06:25.21 | iamwoody | fale NFS or FTp |
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| 06:27.01 | TiMiDo | hey i have a question how do i create a Home Folder on my Desktop |
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| 06:27.03 | TiMiDo | for gnome? |
| 06:27.19 | fale | iamwoody: I'll look :) |
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| 06:29.40 | Tilt | another option would be using lftp and fish:// |
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| 06:30.10 | geek_ | hmm |
| 06:30.14 | Tilt | when i have a large list in allot of bizzare locations that's what i do |
| 06:30.23 | gigo | I want to remove a few perl lib packages, such as: aptitude purge libdatetime-perl libdbi-perl But in the final list it shows it wants to remove 294 packages. why? |
| 06:30.33 | Tilt | lftp fish://user@host/ |
| 06:30.36 | geek_ | hmm |
| 06:30.48 | Tilt | (if you use lftp) |
| 06:30.57 | geek_ | does anyone know if there's a cksfv or equivilent package for lenny? |
| 06:31.36 | Tilt | gigo, wither the packages depend on those libs, or one of their dependencies depend on the libs |
| 06:31.37 | geek_ | thats odd, there should be |
| 06:31.52 | geek_ | er.. guess not |
| 06:31.54 | Tilt | s/wither/either |
| 06:32.06 | geek_ | !cksfv |
| 06:32.23 | Tilt | well, i'm off g'night |
| 06:32.24 | gigo | Tilt: for example; when I do just: aptitude purge libdbi-perl, it wants to remove mysql-server-5.0 too |
| 06:32.33 | gigo | but mysql-server-5.0 is not dependent on libdbi-perl |
| 06:33.05 | gigo | oh, it is dependent |
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| 06:35.03 | phorce1 | geek_: apt-cache search sfv |
| 06:36.48 | geek_ | phorce1: i get cfv- would it work the same? i need it for a torrentflux b4rt install |
| 06:41.22 | phorce1 | geek_: looks like that's what the cfv package is for |
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| 06:45.10 | geek_ | phorce1: ok |
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| 07:01.02 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:01.03 | dpkg | <niru> how can I get a feature similar to windows vista in debian <JasonS> niru: the blue screns? |
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| 07:03.46 | Octalot | !linux genuine advantage |
| 07:04.06 | Octalot | hmm - it doesn't know that one then |
| 07:04.47 | mhymn | !ls |
| 07:04.47 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 07:05.01 | mhymn | that's the reason! |
| 07:06.03 | quartermaster | what file in a program contains the source code? |
| 07:07.02 | wols | none. programs are usually binaries |
| 07:07.28 | wols | in programs written in scripting languages the source is usually the program tho |
| 07:07.40 | quartermaster | then why do we have to compile them? |
| 07:07.43 | Octalot | For binaries, apt-get source {packagename} |
| 07:07.59 | wols | programs in scripting languages you don't have to compile |
| 07:08.42 | quartermaster | I couldn't raise a file in a text editor then? |
| 07:09.37 | wols | with compield languages like C, you write the program in a text editor and the compiler (gcc) makes a binary out of this. this binary you couldn't write in a text editor |
| 07:09.57 | wols | quartermaster: you should explain yourself more clearly what you want to do |
| 07:09.59 | quartermaster | just wanted to see structure |
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| 07:10.22 | wols | this is a debian support channel |
| 07:10.44 | quartermaster | there isn't a channel for gedit |
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| 07:11.00 | wols | it wasn't a gedit question |
| 07:11.22 | quartermaster | thats the editor I'm talking about |
| 07:11.40 | wols | fscking sunday :( |
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| 07:11.53 | quartermaster | nevermind |
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| 07:12.53 | TiMiDo | hey how do you mount a windows partition? |
| 07:12.55 | TiMiDo | nfts? |
| 07:12.57 | prolix | that was a quick exit. i was going to tell that individual about downloading source as one of the benefits of opensource computing |
| 07:13.04 | wols | !tell TiMiDo about ntfs3g |
| 07:13.20 | prolix | alas, my fayngers aren't fast enough |
| 07:13.38 | Sorrofix_ | how about mount -t ntfs3g /dev/device /media/mountpoint |
| 07:13.40 | TiMiDo | wols, i hve that program |
| 07:13.45 | Sorrofix_ | after ntfs3g is installed of course |
| 07:14.01 | wols | TiMiDo: great. now you read it's documentation |
| 07:14.47 | TiMiDo | mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs3g' |
| 07:15.12 | wols | yes, you read docs and don't follow advice here blindly |
| 07:16.27 | Sorrofix | I think I missed a hyphen in there, should be ntfs-3g |
| 07:16.30 | liable | !be a thinking barbie |
| 07:16.30 | dpkg | Aww, thinking is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
| 07:16.31 | Sorrofix | but yeah, read the docs first |
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| 07:18.09 | TiMiDo | Sorrofix, ntfs-3g: Failed to access volume '/dev/sda1': No such file or directory |
| 07:18.17 | TiMiDo | that's odd. because i have it on my fdisk -l |
| 07:18.21 | prolix | how can i get linux to mount the microprocessor in my stove so that i can force it to make me a grilled cheese sandwich? |
| 07:18.23 | TiMiDo | /dev/hda1 * 1 10010 80405293+ 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 07:19.06 | wols | TiMiDo: are you even reading? there is no sda as you show us |
| 07:19.22 | TiMiDo | wols, shut up |
| 07:19.30 | prolix | aptitude sandwich |
| 07:19.31 | aptitude | it has been said that sandwich is something you have for lunch to ease hunger |
| 07:19.42 | wols | TiMiDo: go away to the ubuntu channels where you belong |
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| 07:19.52 | TiMiDo | im using debian you moron |
| 07:19.58 | wols | TiMiDo: stop this |
| 07:20.05 | TiMiDo | ignored me then |
| 07:20.07 | TiMiDo | you fool |
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| 07:20.18 | wols | ad hominems lead to bans. to you want to get banned? |
| 07:20.28 | TiMiDo | Why not? |
| 07:20.33 | TiMiDo | i do not care less |
| 07:20.43 | prolix | people, people |
| 07:20.46 | prolix | relax |
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| 07:28.24 | prolix | TiMiDo: if you're having issues with the ntfs3g mod, perhaps looking into samba as a temporary alternative is an option. wols is very knowledgable and tried to help you the to the best of it's ability (not assuming gender) and at least deserves enough respect to not be called names |
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| 07:29.09 | TiMiDo | prolix, how come on my xmms it says. youre sound card is not working |
| 07:29.12 | TiMiDo | but my sound card it is |
| 07:29.16 | mavhc | "best of their ability" avoids gender |
| 07:30.03 | prolix | TiMiDo: your sound card is working but the program is saying otherwise? |
| 07:30.06 | TiMiDo | ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such file or directory |
| 07:30.22 | TiMiDo | that's the error I'm getting |
| 07:31.17 | prolix | mavhc: you wanna fight? we can take this to #debian-offtopic |
| 07:31.20 | prolix | :P |
| 07:31.40 | liable | so modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 07:31.40 | prolix | TiMiDo: is the sound working? |
| 07:31.43 | TiMiDo | yeah |
| 07:31.49 | TiMiDo | im playing youtube videos it is |
| 07:31.49 | TiMiDo | brb |
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| 07:34.16 | ragsagar | guys,which script i have to tweak to Areplace that tux in boot screen |
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| 07:34.26 | ragsagar | i want o replace it with some ascii text |
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| 07:36.13 | Sorrofix | ragsagar: you could try using fblogo |
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| 07:37.20 | ragsagar | so no scripts deals with it? |
| 07:38.19 | Sorrofix | the kernel loads the .ppm image, IIRC |
| 07:38.46 | Sorrofix | so you'd have to edit the source to create your own ascii art |
| 07:39.02 | Sorrofix | (at least for the initial boot-up) |
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| 07:39.30 | ragsagar | hm |
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| 07:42.02 | Sorrofix | check out drivers/video/logo/logo.c, that's the module that loads the .ppm |
| 07:44.21 | Sweetandy | Question: Where is the default document root for Apache2? |
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| 07:44.53 | Sweetandy | Crap, found it. |
| 07:44.56 | Sweetandy | Sorry guys. |
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| 07:50.38 | unixSnob | Anyone know what the following command does? => make -C /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-amd64/build SUBDIRS=/usr/local/src/alsa-driver-1.0.14 CPP="gcc -E" CC="gcc" modules |
| 07:51.52 | liable | compiles your alsa modules? |
| 07:52.30 | unixSnob | okay, just checking.. i thought it looked like it might be compiling other modules too |
| 07:53.05 | unixSnob | Ultimately the problem I'm chasing is that the above command results in: "/bin/sh: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.25-2-amd64/scripts/gcc-x86_64-has-stack-protector.sh: No such file or directory" |
| 07:53.34 | unixSnob | I've been searching through the Makefiles, and I don't even see where that script is being run |
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| 07:54.24 | liable | probably in the kernel makefiles |
| 07:54.32 | liable | i have seen that before, google it |
| 07:55.20 | unixSnob | When i google it, I find that the gcc-x86_64-has-stack-protector.sh file was left out of the amd64 versions |
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| 07:56.01 | unixSnob | so fixing it could be pretty ugly. I'm not sure it makes sense to download the intel kernel header files, and copy it over |
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| 07:59.58 | unixSnob | It seems like a sloppy way to setup makefiles. The alsa make file runs the makefile in /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-amd64/build with a reference back to the alsa folder, so a problem could be coming from a number of different places |
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| 08:03.35 | phorce1 | unixSnob: have you tried just touching that file to see if the error changes? Or creating it and the script just run /bin/true or /bin/false? |
| 08:05.27 | unixSnob | phorce1: no, i'll try that |
| 08:06.51 | phorce1 | spent 4 hours tweaking makefiles designed to compile on 2.6.18 getting them to compile on 2.6.26 |
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| 08:07.40 | unixSnob | i just read that this defect is in linux-kbuild-2.6.25 and has been fixed. But when I run apt-cache policy, i see that I have the latest version of it |
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| 08:09.35 | unixSnob | phorce1: that may have worked.. i'm now looking at an error I have not yet seen |
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| 08:09.56 | unixSnob | scripts/Makefile.build:46: *** CFLAGS was changed in "/usr/local/src/alsa-driver-1.0.14/acore/Makefile". Fix it to use EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop. |
| 08:11.15 | phorce1 | do what it says. change the CFLAGS line in the acore Makefile to EXTRA_CFLAGS |
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| 08:13.22 | unixSnob | phorce1: CFLAGS doesn't even appear in this makefile |
| 08:13.47 | unixSnob | I'll add it, but I assume it will need to get used somewhere |
| 08:15.51 | unixSnob | will it work if I add EXTRA_CFLAGS to a makefile that's included by the one that needs it? |
| 08:16.37 | unixSnob | damn... didn't work |
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| 08:20.26 | unixSnob | i also added EXTRA_CFLAGS directly to the /usr/local/src/alsa-driver-1.0.14/acore/Makefile, even though it doesn't get used in there, and it still gives the same error. |
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| 08:22.20 | merlo | hello, i have just installed debian lenny but my neywork cards (both wireless and wired) haven't been recognized... what can i do? my wifi card is intel 3945ABG |
| 08:22.37 | liable | you need the firmware for it |
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| 08:23.03 | merlo | liable: you mean ipw3945 package? |
| 08:23.27 | liable | firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 08:24.34 | merlo | liable: ok, is it in the dvd? |
| 08:24.47 | wols | !tell merlo about iwlwifi |
| 08:24.53 | wols | no it's not on the dvd |
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| 08:24.59 | liable | merlo: dunno, but you could get the deb from packages.debian.org and install it manually |
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| 08:25.03 | wols | what wired network card do you have |
| 08:25.18 | wols | liable: non-free stuff is never on CDs/DVDs |
| 08:25.54 | merlo | wols: eth card is intel, don't remember which one |
| 08:26.09 | cafuego | an intel e1000e? |
| 08:26.21 | wols | merlo: lspci -nn |
| 08:26.55 | phorce1 | unixSnob: have fun |
| 08:27.25 | merlo | wols, cafuego: 82573L |
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| 08:28.05 | wols | merlo: what does lspci -nn say? |
| 08:29.47 | merlo | wols: it says intel corp 82573L gigabit ethernel controller [8086:109a] |
| 08:30.14 | wols | ifconfig -a |
| 08:30.16 | wols | what shows? |
| 08:30.20 | wols | ie. which interfaces? |
| 08:30.26 | cafuego | and you're on the 2.6.26 kernel? What's in lenny thse days... |
| 08:30.27 | merlo | no interfaces |
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| 08:30.46 | cafuego | Coz it's been supported since 2.6.19 or thereabouts |
| 08:30.47 | merlo | kernel is 2.6.24-1 |
| 08:31.06 | wols | merlo: makes no sense. at least lo has to be there or you fscked up |
| 08:31.20 | wols | cafuego: the installer uses the .24 one |
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| 08:31.47 | merlo | wols: i'm sorry, my mistaske: there is an interface |
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| 08:32.29 | liable | the install should have set up your interfaces file |
| 08:32.42 | liable | oh, you used the dvd.. |
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| 08:33.05 | cafuego | that should've still detected nics |
| 08:33.14 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:33.18 | liable | he might not have had it plugged in though |
| 08:33.31 | liable | if it wasn't used during install, its not written |
| 08:33.39 | cafuego | liable: nevertheless, the driver would load and 'ifconfig -a' will show it. |
| 08:33.46 | liable | cafuego: yep |
| 08:33.47 | wols | liable: but ifconfig -a still shows it |
| 08:34.01 | merlo | wols: ifconfig gives an interface, i was wrong before |
| 08:34.12 | wols | so you have eth0? |
| 08:34.14 | liable | merlo: so bring it up and use it |
| 08:34.17 | wols | if so: man interfaces |
| 08:34.18 | cafuego | merlo: So all you need to do is add an entry to /etc/network/interfaces for it. |
| 08:34.36 | merlo | wols, cafuego: thank you |
| 08:34.38 | cafuego | merlo: And until that time, even 'dhclient eth0' should work. |
| 08:34.56 | liable | after bringing it up |
| 08:36.07 | merlo | liable: thank you |
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| 08:36.20 | liable | yw |
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| 08:39.10 | zrin | hi, I'm installing lenny from daily installer snapshot (but I've tries beta 2 as well) - grub fails with segfault in grub-probe. there is a raid1 /dev/md0 with /; is there a way to use install grub without grub-probe? |
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| 08:39.49 | zrin | prior to that I've tries using lilo, but apparently it was not able to load initrd after updating to 2.6.26 kernel |
| 08:39.53 | liable | zrin: post it to the debian-boot mailing list, or file a bug against installation-reports |
| 08:40.38 | zrin | liable: ok, I will ... but is there any way to install (and later be able to update) grub for me? |
| 08:41.05 | wols | zrin: do you have a boot partiotion outside the raid? |
| 08:41.07 | liable | zrin: you could try lilo i guess |
| 08:41.17 | liable | then get grub working after |
| 08:41.32 | zrin | wols: no, I have 5 GB root including /boot on raid1 |
| 08:42.01 | zrin | liable: I've already tried that, but got stuck with the same grub-probe segfault |
| 08:42.06 | merlo | when on fedora i used to use 'service ...' to handle services.. how can i restart the network service in debian? |
| 08:42.25 | zrin | merlo: /etc/init.d/<service> restart |
| 08:42.29 | merlo | /etc/init.d/network restart ? |
| 08:42.38 | merlo | zrin: ok, thanks |
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| 08:43.23 | cafuego | zrin: alt-F2, login, chroot, install grub. |
| 08:43.49 | cafuego | zrin: it does happen sometimes that a human knows better than software ;-) |
| 08:43.52 | zrin | cafuego: is there a way to install grub without running grub-probe? |
| 08:44.16 | cafuego | zrin: yes, like i said, manually. |
| 08:44.28 | zrin | cafuego: grub-install would run grub-probe and die with segfault |
| 08:44.32 | cafuego | on the shell, run `grub' |
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| 08:44.43 | cafuego | then root (hd0,0) |
| 08:44.48 | cafuego | then setup(hd0) |
| 08:44.50 | cafuego | then setup(hd1) |
| 08:44.53 | cafuego | and voila |
| 08:45.12 | zrin | cafuego: I'll try that |
| 08:45.15 | cafuego | just make sure you have a menu.lst etc |
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| 08:47.47 | merlo | i have confugured /etc/network/interface to let eth0 to get an ip from the dhcpserver and i restarted the networking service.. it tooks forever to realize that i'm not connected to a dhcpserver (no cable).. will this slow down the boot (i'm planning not to be connected to the wire)? |
| 08:48.15 | cafuego | if you're not planning to use a wire, why dother at all? |
| 08:48.36 | merlo | 'cos i need to download my wireless card firmware |
| 08:48.55 | merlo | and to learn, of course :-) |
| 08:48.59 | cafuego | ah right |
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| 08:49.17 | cafuego | well yes, there'll probably be a delay whilst the network cfg times out. |
| 08:49.35 | cafuego | You could always prefix the lines in interfaces with a # when you're done, though |
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| 08:51.27 | merlo | cafuego: ok, good.. maybe it could an idea to have a look at fedora 9 network scripts.. somehow thay check for dhcp in background |
| 08:51.30 | merlo | or something |
| 08:52.11 | cafuego | they are completely different |
| 08:52.21 | merlo | cafuego: i see |
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| 08:54.52 | reber | hi all |
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| 08:56.43 | cafuego | dinner |
| 08:57.17 | merlo | merlo breakfast :-) |
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| 08:59.38 | merlo | how can i add non free software to the repositories in order to install the iwlwifi driver? |
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| 09:02.40 | jon_ | merlo: (ref: man 5 sources.list) add "contrib non-free" to the end of repo sources that should end "main" |
| 09:02.48 | jon_ | then apt-get update |
| 09:03.20 | wols | !tell merlo about non-free |
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| 09:09.56 | J-roen | Hi. I tried to close port 113 (auth) by commenting out the line which contains /usr/sbin/identd in /etc/inetd.conf, but it doesn't help yet. Do I have to restart something? |
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| 09:11.36 | buu | J-roen: Did you restart inetd? |
| 09:12.47 | J-roen | buu: No, that did it. I couldn't find the right daemon name. It was /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd. Thanks! |
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| 09:13.51 | vinnie | i  how can I get a screen hidden beyond the monitor? (virtual desktop?) |
| 09:14.07 | vinnie | a part of screen |
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| 09:16.32 | pertain | vinnie: this depends on your window manager. In ion3 its command key F9, in fvwm2 its the DeskTopSize directive... |
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| 09:17.16 | vinnie | i have xfce and I tried with this configuration in xorg.conf http://rafb.net/p/eQFf3G47.html |
| 09:18.17 | merlo | my two main repository entries in sources.list now end with main contrib non-free but i'm still unable (after apt-get update) to find iwlwifi firmware.. what have i misunderstood? |
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| 09:19.02 | jon_ | merlo: when you apt-get update this pulls in informational files that represent contents of the repos in the sources |
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| 09:19.10 | pertain | vinnie: the virtual desktop is a feature of the window manager. You cannot control this from xorg.conf. |
| 09:19.31 | Akatemik | Hi. What could I do to solve my computer freezing (doesn't respond to network or to keyboard)? Memtest runs fine, so does cpuburn. Nothing in syslog, the logging just stops when the freeze happens. No propietary drivers (uninstalled nvidia thinking that it might be that). |
| 09:19.41 | pertain | I am not familiar with xfce though. |
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| 09:21.13 | pertain | vinnie: xfce has some control panel and a pager application to swith between desktops. |
| 09:21.52 | vinnie | but I do not find this option |
| 09:22.06 | buu | Akatemik: Despite the tests, I would remove a stick or replace a stick of ram or something |
| 09:23.14 | wols | merlo: pastebin those two lines |
| 09:23.29 | pertain | vinnie: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=658490 (4th hit in google) |
| 09:23.30 | merlo | last problem: i installed iwlwifi-firmware package but my wireless casrd still doesn't work. have i to install also ipw3945 ipw3945d packages? |
| 09:23.45 | pertain | vinnie: Xfce menu > Settings > Workspaces Settings |
| 09:23.48 | wols | merlo:no you don't. ifconfig -a |
| 09:23.52 | vinnie | is not the number of virtual desktops that interests me but the magnitude of resolution outside the normally displayed |
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| 09:24.15 | wols | vinnie: you can do it with xorg.conf |
| 09:24.17 | merlo | wolls: no.. this time it is true: no new interfaces |
| 09:24.23 | wols | possibly with xrandr |
| 09:24.31 | vinnie | yes i prove this http://rafb.net/p/eQFf3G47.html |
| 09:24.51 | merlo | have i to modprobe? |
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| 09:25.59 | N1ckR | Is there any reason (stability/security/performance etc), why I should not run debian on my laptop (instead of ubuntu ) ? |
| 09:26.01 | merlo | or to restart, who knows |
| 09:26.32 | wols | merlo: modprobe iwl3945 |
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| 09:26.40 | wols | after a restart it should work without modprobe |
| 09:26.54 | wols | !tell nick about why debian |
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| 09:28.05 | mhymn | or |
| 09:28.09 | mhymn | !tell N1ckR about why debian |
| 09:28.39 | merlo | wols: i did modprobe (lspci -vvv gives a correct card-driver assotiation) but ifconfig -a still gives no new interfaces |
| 09:28.44 | merlo | i try rebooting |
| 09:28.56 | wols | merlo: what did modprobe say? |
| 09:29.02 | wols | what is in dmesg output? |
| 09:29.09 | wols | what lsmod? |
| 09:29.10 | merlo | modprove gives thothing |
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| 09:29.20 | merlo | one mom |
| 09:29.22 | wols | that is good. no message means no error |
| 09:30.49 | merlo | wols: removed the driver and put it back again and it worked |
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| 09:31.13 | merlo | i really appreciate the time all of you spent for me, thank you |
| 09:31.23 | merlo | debian has another satisfied customer |
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| 09:32.57 | r0ms | http://z10.invisionfree.com/p0rno_warez <-- JOIN MY FREE FORUM!!! |
| 09:34.15 | cafuego | No, thankyou. |
| 09:34.21 | cafuego | Also, fuck off. |
| 09:34.38 | sveva65 | !tell me about infobot |
| 09:34.38 | r0ms | http://z10.invisionfree.com/p0rno_warez <-- JOIN MY FREE FORUM!!! |
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| 09:34.51 | alch3my | what the fuck |
| 09:34.53 | mkhlnsh | !ops |
| 09:34.53 | dpkg | from memory, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 09:34.58 | cafuego | Aaaah, the memories... |
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| 09:37.28 | Internat | suggestions on the best way to call a url from command line that i just want to run? That i dont care about the output of. |
| 09:37.35 | Internat | ie its calling a script on the server.. and i dont care what it returns? |
| 09:38.16 | merlo | Internat: man curl |
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| 09:39.02 | pertain | Internat: wget -O/dev/null http://foo.bar |
| 09:39.56 | pertain | Internat: curl -o/dev/null http://foo.bar |
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| 09:40.26 | Internat | oooh |
| 09:40.27 | Internat | ta |
| 09:40.37 | Pabix | Hello everybody |
| 09:44.20 | spq | is there a solution for building kernel packages for a server farm? |
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| 09:46.31 | zrin | cafuego: thank you - I was able to install grub after copying /boot/grub/* from another system and adjusting device.map and menue.lst; but update-grub calls grub-probe and causes segfault |
| 09:46.56 | cafuego | zrin: I never said to run update-grub, I said to run `grub'. |
| 09:47.48 | zrin | cafuego: yes, and the system booted succesfully, but in the system, any kernel update will fail because update-grub failing |
| 09:48.22 | cafuego | it files a bug or it gets the hose again ;-) |
| 09:48.49 | zrin | cafuego: is there a way out, besides not upgrading the kernel until grub-probe is functional again |
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| 09:49.26 | cafuego | Just upgrade the kernel and fix menu.lst by hand. You can probably disable the grub hook for the time being. |
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| 09:49.49 | cafuego | edit /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 09:50.05 | zrin | cafuego: yes, that is what I'll do - thank you |
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| 09:57.47 | CAiRO- | hi |
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| 09:57.54 | CAiRO- | what's the difference between the postfix spool directories defer and deferred? |
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| 10:00.51 | Zonei | Hi. I'm new to debian and I need some help. When installing packages, I am getting a perl warning about failed locale setting. It says I should check if my locale settings are supported and installed. Which file must I edit to correct this? Debian Etch on a VPS host. |
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| 10:02.45 | pertain | Zonei: you need to correct the locales via environment variables LANG, LANGUAGE and LC_ALL. |
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| 10:03.13 | CMS-DT | Hey ? |
| 10:03.53 | CMS-DT | Why can I go on this website with Ubuntu ? http://www.ma-nuvideo-privee.net?id=9530403 |
| 10:04.07 | mquin | Zonei: run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and pick the ones you need |
| 10:04.08 | pertain | Zonei: locale -a gives you a list of installed locales. then, for instance, you set export LANG=en_US (what ever applies) |
| 10:06.21 | Zonei | mquin, pertain: neither solution works, dpkg-reconfigure says locales is not installed and locale -a says No such file or directory. So I'm guessing I need to install a package? |
| 10:07.31 | mquin | Zonei: apt-get install locales |
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| 10:08.57 | Zonei | mquin: much obliged, problem fixed. ;) |
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| 10:39.29 | trifler | is it hard to add a new harddrive into a current running system? (me being new to this) |
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| 10:39.58 | cafuego | trifler: Does the machine have a hot swap controller? |
| 10:40.56 | trifler | cafuego: No ordinary pata ide |
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| 10:41.27 | cafuego | trifler: Then plugging in a new hdd whilst it's running will break it beyond repair. So don't. |
| 10:41.29 | trifler | I'm talking about opening the case up plugin in a new hdd and getting it to work :) |
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| 10:41.56 | trifler | cafuego: Well ofcourse I will turn it off in the mean time. |
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| 10:42.15 | cafuego | trifler: "current running system" means rather the opposite ;-) |
| 10:42.19 | pumpkin0 | trifler: in that case: easy if you can handle a screwdriver. |
| 10:42.30 | cafuego | trifler: All you need to make sure of is that the master/slave jumper is set right. |
| 10:42.31 | trifler | cafuego: Yeah sorry about my phrashing. |
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| 10:42.58 | trifler | pumpkin0: Then I'm golden ;) |
| 10:43.15 | cafuego | and don't bend the pins |
| 10:43.27 | cafuego | not the critical ones anyway |
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| 10:43.46 | pumpkin0 | trifler: and handle the HD with care. Do not drop or shake it hard. |
| 10:44.25 | trifler | pumpkin0: I'll microwave it so it holds the temperature as the components in the case. |
| 10:44.44 | wols | trifler: do you want support or make jokes? |
| 10:44.45 | cafuego | trifler: It's metal, you can't. Use a hot water bath. |
| 10:44.45 | trifler | of* |
| 10:45.05 | wols | as for how to add hardware: ##hardware |
| 10:45.37 | wols | if you have the hardware put in and need help with the software side in debian, then we can help |
| 10:45.38 | trifler | wols: It's not about adding the hardware in the phyiscal term.. I'm talking inside the os. |
| 10:46.06 | wols | so fdisk a partition, create a filesystem with fsck and add the partition fo /etc/fstab. that's it |
| 10:46.17 | trifler | wols: Good tyl. |
| 10:46.19 | trifler | -l |
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| 11:08.47 | jannes | I want to backup my root filesystem: can someone check this command? rsync -avh --exclude "home/d/" / /media/sda1 |
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| 11:10.54 | jannes | to be sure i don't mess up |
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| 11:16.09 | jannes | ? |
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| 11:17.21 | sbi- | Hi. I have a strange problem with a machine running lenny. Every time I run apt-get update, I get 'Connection failed' messages when trying to fetch the Translation and Relese.gpg files. But only them. And with every mirror I try. |
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| 11:17.52 | sbi- | In fact, if I change the mirror, it always seems to work exactly one time, to also fetch the Translation and Relese.gpg files, after that it fails |
| 11:17.53 | strange | hey guys i just plugged in a bluetooth usb device but 'lsusb' shows 0 devices |
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| 11:18.56 | sbi- | accessing those same files from the same machine using a web browser works fine though |
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| 11:22.49 | misfitx7 | im using openbox on debian etch, im hoping someone can point me towards how to start programs on login, it doesnt seem that /etc/xdg/autostart.sh and ~/.config/openbox/autostart.sh are being used |
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| 11:35.49 | reber | hi all. mgp seems broken. Is it ? [aptitude install mgp && mgp /usr/share/doc/mgp/examples/gradation.mgp to test it] |
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| 11:42.34 | abrotman | reber: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=198994 .. like that? |
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| 11:43.51 | heroxbd | Hello. There is a weird problem with my server. It forbids remote logon using either rsh or ssh for sometime (1-2 hrs.), during which the ftp and http service is ok. |
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| 11:44.48 | heroxbd | Because it is not accessable physically, I haven't checked whether I can log on it with its own console. |
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| 11:46.21 | wols | heroxbd: do you have fail2ban or similar installed? |
| 11:47.11 | torrr | Unknown SystemGroup "lpadmin" on line 13, ignoring! |
| 11:47.16 | torrr | :/ |
| 11:47.37 | torrr | my cups is hanged |
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| 11:50.18 | heroxbd | wols: Yes. I have fail2ban installed. |
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| 11:50.57 | Zvpun | What package do I need to install to have java in iceweasel? |
| 11:50.58 | heroxbd | wols: But I tried to log on with different ips. |
| 11:51.14 | abrotman | Zvpun: i386? |
| 11:51.29 | Zvpun | abrotman: I think so. |
| 11:51.42 | abrotman | don't think .. it matters |
| 11:51.48 | Zvpun | abrotman: Linux drucker 2.6.22-3-486 #1 Mon Nov 12 07:53:08 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:51.55 | Zvpun | abrotman: does that help? |
| 11:51.56 | abrotman | Zvpun: what's yoru CPU ? |
| 11:52.12 | Zvpun | abrotman: how can I find out? |
| 11:52.37 | abrotman | Zvpun: how old is the computer? |
| 11:52.55 | Zvpun | abrotman: not that old. |
| 11:53.04 | Zvpun | abrotman: its nothing fancy. |
| 11:53.24 | abrotman | Zvpun: grep name /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 11:53.49 | Zvpun | abrotman: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 3.06GHz |
| 11:54.11 | abrotman | Zvpun: first .. aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 11:54.15 | abrotman | Zvpun: then .. |
| 11:54.32 | abrotman | erm .. then reboot .. then do you have contrib and non-free sources enabled ? |
| 11:54.40 | reber | abrotman, no these bugs reports are *old*, i have used mgp since 2003 ;) But last upgrade seems to break it. It's more something like : http://www.pastebin.ca/1212699. And then it crashes |
| 11:55.16 | Zvpun | abrotman: no, only main, but i can add them if you want me too. I try to avoid them but I am fine with installing some of it. |
| 11:55.24 | abrotman | reber: i've never used it .. i was just pointing out that it might already be in the BTS .. bugs.debian.org/mgp |
| 11:55.47 | abrotman | let me see if you need them for lenny .. moment .. while i'm doing that .. you install the kernel |
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| 11:55.58 | Zvpun | abrotman: I am on it. |
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| 11:56.58 | abrotman | Zvpun: yeah .. sun-jav6-plugin is in non-free |
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| 11:57.14 | reber | abrotman, it's more like : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=400105 |
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| 11:58.06 | Zonei | How can I check if my .bashrc is executed on login? I am setting the prompt color there, but it doesn't change. I've checked .bash_profile and it does include .bashrc, so I don't know what could be wrong. |
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| 11:58.35 | abrotman | reber: seems like the DD is somewhat MIA .. not sure |
| 11:58.42 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.48 | abrotman | Zonei: which kind of terminal ? |
| 11:58.58 | Zonei | abrotman: I'm sshing to the machine |
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| 11:59.18 | reber | abrotman, "MIA" ? Is it his name or something else ? |
| 11:59.33 | abrotman | !mia |
| 11:59.33 | dpkg | [mia] missing in action. status of missing unknown. as opposed to KIA, POW, or AWOL. |
| 12:00.05 | Zvpun | abrotman: can I reboot later? |
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| 12:00.25 | abrotman | Zvpun: up to you |
| 12:01.56 | heroxbd | Hmmm.It seems to be a bug of fail2ban 0.8.3... |
| 12:01.58 | Zvpun | abrotman: what is the difference between default-jre openjdk-6-jre and sun-java6-plugin? Is your recommendation sun-java6-plugin? |
| 12:02.31 | abrotman | Zvpun: if you actually want the plugin to work in your browser ... |
| 12:03.18 | reber | anything to do then ? |
| 12:03.59 | abrotman | reber: don't use the example? |
| 12:04.05 | reber | erm |
| 12:04.12 | Zvpun | abrotman: I have read some time ago that Java will be licensed under GNU. Is that still to do? Do you know any more about it? |
| 12:04.14 | reber | abrotman, same for all .gpm files |
| 12:04.19 | reber | s/gpm/mpg |
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| 12:04.36 | abrotman | !icedtea |
| 12:04.36 | dpkg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IcedTea or http://icedtea.classpath.org |
| 12:04.40 | abrotman | Zvpun: ^^ |
| 12:04.50 | abrotman | Zvpun: happened too late for lenny |
| 12:05.11 | abrotman | though there is an icedtea-gcjwebplugin you can try if you want to |
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| 12:08.18 | Zvpun | abrotman: this is important information, Thank you Sir! |
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| 12:08.55 | abrotman | enjoy! |
| 12:08.56 | torrr | which log has a dated history of package installation? |
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| 12:09.05 | abrotman | /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 12:13.38 | torrr | something spoiled my cups, but there was no upgrade of cups in three quarters of a year |
| 12:13.56 | torrr | and I upgraded now due to the bug |
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| 12:14.54 | rgr | iceweasel is part of the "iceape" suite? |
| 12:15.25 | heroxbd | rgr: no |
| 12:15.32 | wols | no. iceape is the mozilla suite. icewease is the firefox browser |
| 12:15.52 | AcTiVaTe | icetea is the refreshing beverage |
| 12:16.04 | rgr | wols: and iceweasel is not part of the mozilla suite? |
| 12:16.09 | abrotman | !icegecko |
| 12:16.12 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 12:16.30 | reber | abrotman, done with compiling mgp from sources. |
| 12:16.37 | rgr | Am reading the wiki and think my brain just imploded. Ice this, ice that, cant see the bigger picture! |
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| 12:16.40 | abrotman | !icelizard |
| 12:16.41 | dpkg | Icelizard is the collection of applications that replace popular Mozilla applications, currently listed as IceWeasel(Firefox), IceDove(Thunderbird), IceApe(SeaMonkey), IceOwl(Sunbird). |
| 12:17.14 | rgr | reaches for trusty sidearm with one bullet in it .... |
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| 12:18.25 | rgr | but iceape is a suite too? So iceape is also part of the icelizeard suite??? Err .... |
| 12:18.27 | geek_compiling | rgr: lol |
| 12:18.37 | geek_compiling | iceape would be seamonkey ;p |
| 12:19.08 | rgr | starts to wonder if people are taking the piss and laughing at him in private messages as he is totally lost. |
| 12:19.34 | abrotman | rgr: how is it confusing ? |
| 12:19.43 | rgr | iceape is a fork of seamonkey. |
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| 12:20.12 | rgr | abrotman: you clearly spend far too much time here :-) Seriously it is confusing trying to join the dots and see what is what. |
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| 12:20.33 | my007ms | hello does debian sparc have all software that in normal machine |
| 12:20.34 | my007ms | ? |
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| 12:20.58 | abrotman | rgr: there is an icefoo for each mozilla product |
| 12:21.01 | abrotman | AFAICT anyways |
| 12:21.16 | abrotman | my007ms: some will be missing .. have anything in mind ? |
| 12:21.41 | rgr | The AFAICT kind of dispels your previous "how is it confusing?" ..... |
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| 12:22.17 | rgr | So Seamonkey is? .... |
| 12:22.24 | my007ms | abrotman i have one sparc machine but when i use apt-get to install same things i have in my desktop |
| 12:22.27 | my007ms | i find it's not there |
| 12:22.43 | abrotman | such as ? |
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| 12:24.07 | rgr | So is seamonkey a mozilla project or someone elses branch of a mozilla project? |
| 12:24.09 | my007ms | abrotman in my desktop i get security update for my bind but in sparc it's not update |
| 12:24.32 | abrotman | my007ms: did you compare versions installed ? |
| 12:24.37 | abrotman | did you look at sources.list ? |
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| 12:24.47 | abrotman | rgr: mozilla project |
| 12:25.05 | wols | rgr: not a mozilla project anymore |
| 12:25.11 | abrotman | rgr: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ |
| 12:25.15 | rgr | abrotman: I dont think it is. The home page says this "Under the hood, SeaMonkey uses much of the same Mozilla source code" |
| 12:25.16 | abrotman | wols: they link to it |
| 12:25.18 | wols | abrotman: I thought they gave it up and concentratef on ffox |
| 12:25.26 | my007ms | abrotman i will check this but in general case does every thing for normal version will be find in sparc one ? |
| 12:25.28 | abrotman | oh who knows |
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| 12:25.52 | rgr | abrotman: So you agree with me now. It IS confusing? Good. I thought you were really clever and I was really thick for a moment there :-; |
| 12:25.55 | abrotman | my007ms: there are some things that don't build on sparc .. like java for example |
| 12:26.06 | abrotman | rgr: i odn't think it's confusing at all |
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| 12:26.32 | rgr | abrotman: well, you just got one main thing about it wrong. So I guess its a tad more confusing than you thought. I do appreciate the help though. |
| 12:26.54 | abrotman | rgr: because i don't care about seamonkey enough to really care if mozilla.org is doing it or mozilla-ish.org |
| 12:26.55 | wols | rgr: it's not confusing what is what |
| 12:27.00 | ComradeHaz | hi all, after some advice on ipmasq and multicast. Anyone suitable qualified?! |
| 12:27.15 | wols | !tell ComradeHaz about anyone |
| 12:27.20 | rgr | OK, I find it confusing. I recognise I am at fault :-( |
| 12:27.25 | abrotman | rgr: now .. if you could make epiphany stop crashing when you close tabs .. that'd be swell :) |
| 12:28.15 | rgr | Jokes and jobes aside, I am popping backwards and forwards between web pages now and am no closer to deciphering the political mess that is ice this and sea that and debian "pure" this etc etc. |
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| 12:28.23 | rgr | s/jobes/jibes |
| 12:28.54 | rgr | I'm sure I'm missing one tiny little aspect to clarify it all. |
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| 12:29.07 | rgr | I remember when one "pulled up the web browser"..... |
| 12:29.11 | ComradeHaz | Basically I have a piece of software that is an IPTV 'client' for a feed here at my uni. It's windows only but I've got it working in Wine. The oly problem with it I now have is that if I have IPmasq running the client loses 'connection' to the multiccast feed. |
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| 12:30.11 | rgr | abrotman: why would you use epiphany?Its a mozilla based web browser for gnome. Why not iceweasel? |
| 12:30.24 | ComradeHaz | is that question suitably asked wols? |
| 12:30.25 | abrotman | dont like iceweasel's interface? |
| 12:30.38 | abrotman | IW3 got better though |
| 12:30.50 | rgr | Fair enough. But iceweasel is a mozilla based WB too? |
| 12:30.55 | torrr | anyone knows this cups problem in etch 1.2.7 cups ? |
| 12:31.02 | ComradeHaz | iceweasel is firefox |
| 12:31.18 | rgr | ComradeHaz: with branding differences ... |
| 12:31.24 | ComradeHaz | well, yer |
| 12:31.30 | abrotman | rgr: gecko-based .. and yes |
| 12:31.34 | ComradeHaz | but one uses firefox plugins and skins |
| 12:31.56 | rgr | and its from mozilla... Yeah. All clear .... |
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| 12:32.21 | ComradeHaz | as mud ';) |
| 12:32.44 | crashanddie | Hi, I'm trying to get nfs to work over ssh. I fixed nfsd and mountd ports, I forwarded the ports through SSH, I added exports for 127.0.0.1, and I try to mount with this: "mount localhost:/home /mnt/nfs -o tcp,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,intr,rw,bg,nosuid,port=60000,mountport=60001,noauto" But I get "mount.nfs: internal error" |
| 12:32.50 | rgr | ComradeHaz: No, no. Abrotman assures me its not confusing at all ... |
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| 12:33.05 | abrotman | rgr: i'm also not sure why you care so much |
| 12:33.08 | crashanddie | dmesg says: mount: server localhost not responding, timed out |
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| 12:34.36 | rgr | abrotman: Why I care? It's a secret ! No I care because I have a mental block at the moment on figuring out whats what and what belongs to what and why they exist and what is "pure" and what is "tainted". I do see a terrible waste of work effort and divided skill poll though. Still, it's everyones own choice. |
| 12:34.37 | cahoot | no nfs server running? |
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| 12:34.59 | abrotman | rgr: stil makes no sense ..but okay :) |
| 12:35.17 | geek_compiling | rgr: lol. i tend to joke about debian being idiologically pure ;p |
| 12:35.42 | ComradeHaz | uh, so |
| 12:35.56 | geek_compiling | it does make a great base for servers though ;p |
| 12:36.14 | ComradeHaz | Was my second question wasted given, you know, there's noone 'suitably qualified' to answer it? |
| 12:36.29 | ComradeHaz | I seem to remember trying to check if there was before wasting my time typing |
| 12:36.41 | ComradeHaz | but I got some silly pm from a bot |
| 12:36.45 | rgr | How can it not make sense that I am confused by iceweasel, iceape, seamonkey, icelizard, epiphany, firefox suite this and suite that and mozilla base here and gecko base there and etc etc etc? I am trying to build a "clean" perfect Debian desktop and am looking at removing any closed source and trying to understand where it all fits together. The entire web application/office situation is, to quote someone else earlier in thread, as |
| 12:36.45 | rgr | "clear as mud". |
| 12:37.13 | wols | ComradeHaz: what makes you think you can waste the time of 800+ people with your first question when you could have asked the 2nd one immediately? |
| 12:37.29 | ComradeHaz | It d. |
| 12:37.36 | ComradeHaz | oesn't |
| 12:37.38 | abrotman | rgr: well .. debian doesn't have firefox in it for starters .. epiphany is a gecko-based gnome-ish we browser |
| 12:37.45 | abrotman | seamonkey isn't in debianeither |
| 12:37.55 | ComradeHaz | ok. I'll leave the question there and repost it every half hour |
| 12:37.57 | cahoot | or webkit based? |
| 12:38.02 | ComradeHaz | does that make more sense? |
| 12:38.07 | abrotman | well .. in this sense it's gecko-based |
| 12:38.12 | abrotman | but yes .. in lenny you have the option |
| 12:38.18 | geek_compiling | rgr: simply. anything that starts with ice is a version of mozilla suite apps without the mozilla name. ephiphany is the default gnome web browser... |
| 12:38.25 | abrotman | and you also have kahazenske which is gecko/webkit based |
| 12:38.32 | rgr | abrotman: firefox is listed in my synaptic. |
| 12:38.40 | abrotman | rgr: it's a transitional package |
| 12:38.51 | rgr | transitional eh? OK ... |
| 12:38.59 | ComradeHaz | surely it would be best if someone looked at what I wanted to know (a short description) and thought, hmm, Johonny will know about that but he's not here. I know I'll tell the guy asking the question to look out for Johnny and tell him to ask it then |
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| 12:39.07 | crashanddie | cahoot, the nfs server is running allright, I'm just trying to get it work through an ssh tunnel |
| 12:39.32 | cahoot | crashanddie: just checking the obvious |
| 12:39.53 | rgr | ComradeHaz: try the Ubuntu group :-) (cracks up laughing). There are thousands of fanboyz dying to give the wrong answer to something they know nothing about! |
| 12:40.05 | ComradeHaz | Quite. |
| 12:40.13 | abrotman | rgr: that's not funny |
| 12:40.26 | ComradeHaz | Which is why I'm not in or running Ubuntu |
| 12:40.39 | rgr | abrotman: Yes it is. And its true. This group is much more dignified. Normally people do not offer an opinin unless they know the answer. |
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| 12:40.58 | abrotman | no .. it's not |
| 12:41.05 | ComradeHaz | well |
| 12:41.10 | ComradeHaz | there's clearly an exception here |
| 12:41.11 | ComradeHaz | :D |
| 12:41.12 | rgr | abrotman: yes. It is. I know. I was there recently. |
| 12:41.27 | ComradeHaz | Someones got something wrong |
| 12:41.30 | abrotman | rgr: then do it somewhere else |
| 12:41.31 | ComradeHaz | and it's one of you too |
| 12:41.34 | ComradeHaz | :D |
| 12:41.38 | geek_compiling | abrotman: eheh. i don't mention kazehakaze cause i can't spell it. |
| 12:41.42 | ComradeHaz | *two |
| 12:41.44 | abrotman | geek_compiling: yeah .. i know |
| 12:41.50 | rgr | abrotman: Are you tired? I am doing it somewhere else. Here. |
| 12:41.57 | abrotman | geek_compiling: i recently found out that the katzkaheke-webkit in lenny is useless |
| 12:42.08 | rgr | Anyway thanks for the info. Was fun. |
| 12:42.10 | abrotman | rgr: i'm telling you to stop .. end of discussion |
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| 12:42.15 | ComradeHaz | :DDDD |
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| 12:42.24 | geek_compiling | abrotman: hmm, i had it working for a bit. didn't manage java or flash support though |
| 12:42.26 | ComradeHaz | So, anyone know who Johnny is?! |
| 12:42.27 | ComradeHaz | :D |
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| 12:42.41 | geek_compiling | never bothered too much, tend to prefer iceweasel/firefox anyway ;p |
| 12:42.48 | abrotman | geek_compiling: maybe you should try it again .. currently if you do anything .. it crashes |
| 12:42.49 | abrotman | for me anyways |
| 12:43.06 | rgr | abrotman: I just saw that last comment as I logged out. Stop what? Venturing an opinion tha I think this irc channel is much better than the Ubuntu one? You are joking I hope? |
| 12:43.06 | abrotman | geek_compiling: and when i say anything .. even some of the preferences tabs cause segfaults |
| 12:43.20 | abrotman | rgr: stop bashing #ubuntu in #debian .. |
| 12:43.31 | geek_compiling | abrotman: ewww |
| 12:43.49 | geek_compiling | segfaults.. |
| 12:44.04 | abrotman | geek_compiling: i tried a bazillion ways i could think of to get a URL to actually work .. and no matter which way i enter it and hit 'go' .. it segfaults ;) |
| 12:44.08 | rgr | I am not bashing it. I am offering an opinion developed by spending time in both, There are good guys there too. There are helpful guys there. There are however a LOT of contributors who do not know their subjects. |
| 12:44.08 | geek_compiling | i didn't actually poke that far in. i'll need to try it on a VM |
| 12:44.09 | geek_compiling | o0 |
| 12:44.13 | geek_compiling | i had URLs working |
| 12:44.29 | abrotman | rgr: have a nice day |
| 12:44.43 | geek_compiling | least i think i did |
| 12:44.44 | abrotman | !info firefox etch |
| 12:44.55 | rgr | ,iceweasel |
| 12:44.58 | geek_compiling | headtilts |
| 12:45.01 | abrotman | geek_compiling: works fine with gecko .. but i was trying to get away from having all gecko-based browsers |
| 12:45.23 | rgr | what is the issue with gecko? Gecko is the underlying renderer? |
| 12:45.31 | dpkg | firefox: (Transition package for iceweasel rename), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.15-0etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 12:45.33 | abrotman | !gecko |
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| 12:45.33 | dpkg | somebody said gecko was the rendering engine of mozilla |
| 12:45.40 | abrotman | thought there'd be more info |
| 12:45.43 | geek_compiling | abrotman: hmm.. i'd suggest konqquerer but not everyone likes KDE apps ;p |
| 12:46.01 | abrotman | geek_compiling: i'm not installing all of kde to get konq |
| 12:46.05 | rgr | geek_compiling: I just spent last night removing ALL kde stuff. A shame as ksnapshot is great. |
| 12:46.19 | geek_compiling | abrotman: yeah.. i figured |
| 12:46.23 | rgr | I just want to try for a "pure" desktop. |
| 12:46.26 | geek_compiling | is generally a KDE user... |
| 12:46.38 | rgr | doesnt like kde but doesnt hate it. |
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| 12:46.53 | abrotman | dpkg: gecko is also http://developer.mozilla.org/en/Gecko |
| 12:46.53 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
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| 12:47.13 | rgr | But I'm interested why someone would have political reasons to not want a "gecko based" browser? What is the issue? |
| 12:47.17 | geek_compiling | one app i REALLY can't work without and is kde is yakuake.. tilde is the gnome equivilent, but its not as good |
| 12:47.43 | abrotman | rgr: it's a technical issue .. not political |
| 12:48.09 | abrotman | rgr: somethings aren't going to workright in FF/IW .. but since all the browsers are gecko-based .. they're all going to ahve the same issue |
| 12:48.14 | rgr | geek_compiling: what is its "must have" value? |
| 12:48.29 | rgr | abrotman: example? |
| 12:48.50 | geek_compiling | rgr: its a drop down console. hit a key, drops down. if you work with the command line a LOT in a GUI envirionment, its a godsend |
| 12:49.01 | abrotman | rgr: flash stuff ? |
| 12:49.03 | rgr | Im sure non gecko based ones have other issues. But the user base of, er, firefox (:-)) probably means gecko will be fixed sooner. |
| 12:49.41 | rgr | abrotman: ok. We agree there. flash crashes all the time but whenever I have asked about it I get the "works for me" treatment. it crashes every 3 or 4 times I use see a flash video. |
| 12:50.07 | abrotman | rgr: uhm .. you might want to upgrade your flash version .. no idea there |
| 12:51.15 | rgr | geek_compiling: I use emacs. But when in a gnome terminal I use screen. I think I tried yakuake a year ago and couldnt see the attraction. Maybe it just didnt match my "needs", who knows. But it being a drop doen terminal didnt provide me with enough need to "learn something else". |
| 12:51.17 | abrotman | still finds it ironic that adobe.com doesn't work with the latest flash from adobe.com and a gecko-based browser |
| 12:52.01 | geek_compiling | rgr: its not so much learn something else as making things more efficient |
| 12:52.04 | geek_compiling | IMO at least |
| 12:52.04 | rgr | abrotman: I'm pretty sure I am up to date. But as I thin down my system maybe things will work better. I had video plugins here there and everywhere for about 5 different multimedia players. |
| 12:52.17 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:52.46 | rgr | geek_compiling: of course. But I didnt see what made it so efficient. Is it extra good at command history or something? Or just the fact you can call it up so easily? |
| 12:53.06 | geek_compiling | rgr: the latter. |
| 12:54.24 | rgr | abrotman: I spent last night setting up mplayer profiles. No other player will be on my system now. Unfortunately I believe there are "political" issues with mplayer because it allows closed source codecs so Stallman has hexed it. However it is far and away the best MM player out there. Got it working with playlists of radio streams last night. Excellent configurability too. |
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| 12:55.00 | abrotman | rgr: never used it :) |
| 12:55.52 | rgr | abrotman: are you a console dinosaur? :-; I tend to have a dual head system always running. Movie/radio on the TV and working away on monitor. Works really, really well. |
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| 12:56.07 | abrotman | rgr: no .. i just don't watch movies on my laptop |
| 12:56.45 | xanner | hello I'm trying to remove a disk from my array with this command: " mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --remove /dev/sda2" but I'm getting this error : "mdadm: hot remove failed for /dev/sda2: Device or resource busy" (I umounted /dev/md0 though) |
| 12:57.05 | rgr | I will be now I have sshfs working .... Wonderful stuff. Log in to wireless router somewhere. connect over ssh to my home server, Watch movie .... Stable. Just works. I will never, ever go back to Windows. |
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| 12:59.06 | cahoot | famous last words |
| 12:59.42 | jelly-home | rgr: you have mplayer blah.{mp3,avi} working over sshfs? It almost always runs into a race condition here |
| 12:59.51 | miniteman | hello I havent used debian in a long time and I am having trouble configuring x-windows |
| 13:00.01 | jelly-home | strace -o/dev/null mplayer blah works :-| |
| 13:00.31 | zamuro | miniteman: That could be the problem: There is no x-windows no more. |
| 13:00.43 | miniteman | lol ..:p |
| 13:00.49 | rgr | jelly-home: Hmm. Havent tried it outside of the flat yet. But nfs is ok at home. Will let you know another day when I veture out with my laptop! |
| 13:01.29 | rgr | jelly-home: what kind of race condition and why? Does a bigger cache help? |
| 13:01.29 | jelly-home | nfs is mature technology (assuming v3 or v2) |
| 13:01.38 | miniteman | zamuro: I installed x-window-system now Im wondering whether I should have .. |
| 13:01.45 | jelly-home | rgr: it just thinks there's no file present |
| 13:01.51 | jelly-home | an sshfs bug |
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| 13:01.59 | xanner | How do I destroy a raid 0 array with mdadm? |
| 13:02.05 | rgr | jelly-home: well, yes, that is a bug! |
| 13:02.23 | zamuro | miniteman: OK... Let's start with the basics: What version are you using? |
| 13:02.56 | zamuro | !tell miniteman about xorg |
| 13:03.13 | liable | ath5k doesnt support ap if thats what you want |
| 13:03.21 | liable | meh, echan |
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| 13:04.06 | miniteman | zamuro:thanks for the help .. appreciated |
| 13:04.24 | magellanino | for remove gnome and install kde what's command do? |
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| 13:16.25 | mhymn | is it possible to add a "root privilege" user to a mysql when i only have the server root access and not mysql itself? |
| 13:17.51 | et | mhymn: the mysql manual has a section how to gain root access in mysql |
| 13:18.10 | mhymn | thanks |
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| 13:22.51 | miniteman | ah |
| 13:22.58 | miniteman | help |
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| 13:24.50 | ricosecada | What exactly does the apt script in cron.daily do? |
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| 13:26.00 | ComradeHaz | if I may I'll repeat my question incase there's anyone here now that wasn't beefore that knows; |
| 13:26.22 | ComradeHaz | I have a piece of software that is an IPTV 'client' for a feed here at my uni. It's windows only but I've got it working in Wine. The only problem with it I now have is that if I have IPmasq running the client loses 'connection' to the multiccast feed. Any thoughts? |
| 13:26.44 | jelly-home | mhymn: /msg dpkg i forgot mysql root password |
| 13:27.09 | mhymn | thanks man |
| 13:27.49 | rdz | hi all. what happens, if i use a non-empty directory as a mount-point? |
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| 13:28.47 | mhymn | if only it was possible not to reset the default one but add another root one it was amazing |
| 13:28.57 | jelly-home | rdz: the files under the mountpoint will be hidden |
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| 13:29.41 | _Jack_Sparrow_ | I can't get my TV-out to work with my geforce with nvidia drivers. I have configured my xorg.conf to include: TwinView, TwinViewOrientation, MetaModes, TVStandard, TVOutFormat, "ConnectedMonitor" "CRT,TV"..... but it still doesn't work :-( |
| 13:30.53 | _Jack_Sparrow_ | I'm really lost on this one :-/ |
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| 13:32.29 | rdz | jelly-home, but i won't destroy them....will i? |
| 13:32.42 | rdz | jelly-home, thanks for the info |
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| 13:51.40 | michu2510 | hi all |
| 13:52.07 | SR|| | hi there, for the second time recently, I can't open any new X windows |
| 13:52.26 | SR|| | at first I got No protocol specified |
| 13:52.26 | SR|| | xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :0.0 |
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| 13:52.49 | SR|| | then I looked at my .Xauthority file, and it was A: owned by root (mode 600) |
| 13:53.00 | SR|| | making it owned by me made no apparent different |
| 13:53.15 | SR|| | I tried to run Xauth but it complains with "xauth: error in locking authority file .Xauthority" |
| 13:53.16 | michu2510 | try : /etc/init.d/gdm |
| 13:53.29 | michu2510 | orr /etc/init.d/kdm |
| 13:53.33 | SR|| | michu2510: you're suggesting I restart gdm (and thus X)? |
| 13:53.43 | cahoot | SR||: remove it |
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| 13:53.48 | SR|| | I'm trying to rescue my X session without killing everything that's still open |
| 13:54.29 | SR|| | cahoot: uh, but won't the X server have THAT .Xauthority file open? I mean, won't that mean I then can't generate a new MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1? |
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| 13:56.08 | cahoot | SR||: correct you'll need restart x |
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| 13:56.29 | SR|| | bah |
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| 13:56.50 | SR|| | it appears that removing .Xauthority-l and .Xauthority-c was a bad idea |
| 13:57.02 | SR|| | as now xauth complains about being unable to connect as well |
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| 13:57.14 | SR|| | madarame:~$ xauth -f .Xauthority generate :0 . |
| 13:57.14 | SR|| | Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyxauth: (argv):1: unable to open display ":0". |
| 13:57.31 | SR|| | .e will try to remember to use "mv" next time |
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| 13:59.15 | asperon | hi guys, i am trying to install lenny via usb, and it boots, the installer starts, but i cant get passed the detecting cd-rom part, how do i tell it to use the usb and dont bother with the cdrom? |
| 13:59.48 | SR|| | asp: um, last time I looked you need to break to a shell and mount the USB stick on /cdrom manually |
| 13:59.58 | SR|| | don't quote me |
| 13:59.58 | asperon | SR||: aha |
| 13:59.59 | asperon | thnx |
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| 14:00.07 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 14:00.07 | dpkg | i heard usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 14:00.08 | SR|| | I gave up on USB booting the installer and used TFTP instead :P |
| 14:00.08 | veganlion | is vim in unstable broken? |
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| 14:01.11 | SR|| | asp: if you can do it, it's much easier, you "just" need to have your DHCP server set up to give out your TFTP server's IP address, then stick the contents of "netboot.tar.gz" into your tftpboot directory (probably in /var) on your tftp server |
| 14:01.15 | SR|| | and you're good to go |
| 14:01.19 | SR|| | waaaaay easier |
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| 14:01.44 | SR|| | (also, I think you need to configure your dhcp server to tell the client that the filename is "pxelinux.0") |
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| 14:03.12 | asperon | hmm, when i try to mount it it fails? and the system only ses the stick as sdb and not sdb1, is that normal? |
| 14:03.19 | asperon | i used unetbootin to create the stick |
| 14:03.34 | SR|| | asp: that's fine, you might need to tell it that the fs type is vfat |
| 14:03.45 | SR|| | try "mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /cdrom" |
| 14:03.49 | asperon | aha |
| 14:03.49 | asperon | thnx |
| 14:03.56 | SR|| | I think the busybox version of mount doesn't auto-detect fs type |
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| 14:05.20 | asperon | that worked, is it the debian dir i want to mount in cdrom, or? since now it complains of failing to read from the cd? |
| 14:06.05 | SR|| | asp: yeah, I had that problem too, I think I built the USB stick wrong, since I used a tool designed for ubuntu, and I don't think it put the right files on there |
| 14:06.09 | SR|| | I didn't get further than that |
| 14:06.19 | SR|| | tftp boot was easier for me :P |
| 14:06.34 | SR|| | (but then, I had a spare box with two NICs in to run the tftp server on) |
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| 14:08.38 | asperon | SR||: i selected debian when i built it though |
| 14:08.45 | asperon | ill mess around a bit more with it |
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| 14:09.55 | SR|| | anyway! I must go and buy milk before the shop closes, back later! |
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| 14:11.02 | greggman | is it possible to run auth server in hotspot in one box running debian |
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| 14:27.08 | torrr | my lpd crushes on signal 9 |
| 14:28.01 | torrr | anyone knows that? |
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| 14:33.48 | dustybin | if one wanted to connect to a router/firewall via a serial cable, what linux software cool i use? |
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| 14:35.09 | abrotman | minicom or kermit |
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| 14:35.56 | petemc | or screen |
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| 14:46.55 | lvh | hi |
| 14:47.06 | lvh | anyone know any mindmap software that allows TeX bubbles/forks? |
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| 14:49.47 | SR|| | greggman: uh, "auth server"? "hotspot"? are we talking about something like nocatnet or chillispot? |
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| 14:49.59 | SR|| | mutters about freeradiu |
| 14:50.01 | SR|| | s |
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| 14:50.24 | SR|| | lvh: um, the closest I got to mind-map software was (ab)using graphviz |
| 14:50.33 | SR|| | but I didn't look very far |
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| 14:50.52 | SR|| | (I realise that there's "Inspiration" for windows and mac, payware of course) |
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| 14:51.23 | SR|| | (which seems to be a popular recommendation in access centre reports for aspies) |
| 14:52.16 | greggman | SR||, I'm referring to chillispot |
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| 14:52.45 | SR|| | greggman: using hostapd with an atheros card, or a separate 802.11 AP? |
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| 14:53.15 | lvh | SR||: freemind is really good, but I want to have nodes that are tex. |
| 14:53.18 | greggman | SR||, I will be using it separately. I have dd-wrt.. so I need an auth server |
| 14:53.32 | lvh | An alternative solution: make something that creates gifs from TeX math expressions |
| 14:53.48 | lvh | Is the tool that latex2html uses availible separately? |
| 14:55.32 | merlo_ | hello, where should i look for the flash plugin? is it within the debian repositories? |
| 14:55.37 | SR|| | hmm, I was playing with freeradius but it seemed a sod to configure |
| 14:55.43 | SR|| | it's on my "todo" list |
| 14:56.12 | SR|| | it appears that it authenticates against "unix" (ie, pam) automatically out of the box |
| 14:56.26 | SR|| | wanted authorisation against postgresql |
| 14:56.43 | SR|| | err, AuthN *and* AuthZ, even |
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| 14:56.57 | lvh | merlo_: there's a free flash player called gnash, I believe. |
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| 14:56.59 | SR|| | but it had loads of auditing stuff I couldn't be bothered to read when I wanted it to work *now* |
| 14:57.15 | lvh | merlo_: the adobe one can not be distributed with the standard debian repos due to licensing restriction |
| 14:57.38 | lvh | merlo_: if you use firefox, you can get it from adobe yourself if you need to have the real thing |
| 14:57.47 | greggman | SR||, okay. |
| 14:58.03 | SR|| | greggman: also, the default config for freeradius seemed to be quite over the top |
| 14:58.08 | SR|| | there was loads to wade through |
| 14:58.11 | merlo_ | lvh: thank you.. is for iceweasel the same? |
| 14:58.13 | lvh | merlo_: afaik gnash works for most popular apps, at least it does for youtube (all common flash-ish players), vimeo (see youtube), and last.fm |
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| 14:58.30 | SR|| | so I was a bit nervous about it actually being safe and secure |
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| 14:58.33 | lvh | merlo_: iceweasel is essentially the same as firefox under the hood |
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| 14:58.57 | merlo_ | lvh: it's clear now, thank you I start using the free flash plugin |
| 14:58.59 | lvh | merlo_: the difference is, you can do anything you want with the iceweasel logo, you cant do anything you want with the moz logo |
| 14:59.03 | SR|| | contemplates a review comparing debian iceweasel and ubuntu abrowser ;) |
| 14:59.14 | lvh | merlo_: okay, glad to be of help |
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| 14:59.52 | lvh | SR||: "through a titan's work of the respective developers, both browsers are miraculously compatible with thousands of addons already availible on the internet) |
| 15:00.10 | SR|| | lvh: heh |
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| 15:01.07 | lvh | does anyone know a simple tool that turns tex math expressions into gifs? |
| 15:01.18 | lvh | I can make documents -- I don't want that. I just want a single expression. |
| 15:01.41 | et | there are several tools generating documents, then cropping the equation out of that |
| 15:02.33 | Asser1 | ho-ho-ho |
| 15:03.09 | vadmeste | Hi.. My debian Lenny doesn't tell me when my laptop battery get empty ? what packages should I install ? |
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| 15:04.31 | kohwj | greetings |
| 15:04.46 | lvh | vadmeste: you want a battery applet in your desktop environment, or? |
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| 15:07.35 | SR|| | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.43 | SR|| | is it me or is it you, darling? |
| 15:09.05 | vadmeste | lvh.. the problem that I have one.. |
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| 15:09.05 | vadmeste | which is in the notification |
| 15:09.06 | vadmeste | i work under gnome.. |
| 15:09.37 | SR|| | I for one welcome our new gnome overlords?!?!11 |
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| 15:14.48 | greggman | anybody here who have tried wifigator? |
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| 15:23.28 | error_ | hi have a problem with alsa mixer or alsa driver - duno - no sound just noise +(alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory) |
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| 15:25.38 | Absolute0 | Is sed -i 's/etch/lenny/etch/g' /etc/apt/sources.list supposed to be a smooth migration? |
| 15:25.54 | Absolute0 | Ever time I do that followed by aptitutde update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 15:25.57 | Absolute0 | the entire system breaks |
| 15:26.15 | Absolute0 | gnome is all buggy |
| 15:26.17 | Absolute0 | and other crap |
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| 15:27.43 | petemc | lenny isnt stable yet |
| 15:27.44 | rebel52 | how do i install the latest iceweasel? |
| 15:28.03 | aliases123 | Absolute0: it is fine. to upgrade from etch to lenny. the "entire system " should never break unless you don't read the instructions. lenny is still in testing as stated. |
| 15:28.17 | zinx | rebel52: aptitude update && aptitude install iceweasel ? |
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| 15:28.49 | Absolute0 | aliases123: aptitude dist-upgrade has lots of scary negative scores |
| 15:29.03 | SR|| | Absolute0: the only time I had a problem was when I was upgrading from woody to lenny (skipping sarge and etch) and it tried to remove the only libc on the system |
| 15:29.18 | SR|| | fortunately dpkg threw a hissy fit and said "I can't let you do that, dave" |
| 15:29.22 | petemc | Absolute0: that regex doesnt look right either |
| 15:29.43 | Absolute0 | petemc: skip the last part :-P |
| 15:29.50 | rebel52 | that doesn't update iceweasel zinx |
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| 15:30.19 | aliases123 | zinx: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ..... |
| 15:31.00 | merlo_ | i need to install a .deb but if I do dpkg -i it fails because it cannot resolve a couple o dependences.. is there a way to let it to resolve dependencies for me (something like yum locainstall?) |
| 15:31.10 | rebel52 | that doesn't work either aliases123 |
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| 15:31.21 | rebel52 | iceweasel is at 3.0.3 right? |
| 15:31.41 | asg | merlo_: run apt-get -f install after dpkg -i fails. |
| 15:31.42 | aliases123 | rebel52: well then you have the latest iceweasel for your current debian version (and stated in /etc/apt/sources.list) |
| 15:31.45 | zinx | rebel52: iceweasel is at 3.0.1 |
| 15:31.53 | rebel52 | hmm |
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| 15:32.16 | merlo_ | asg: ah i see |
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| 15:32.24 | rebel52 | firefox is at 3.0.3.. so whats the deal.. |
| 15:32.25 | wols_ | merlo_: force it and then aptitude -f install |
| 15:32.35 | wols_ | rebel52: nothing. |
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| 15:32.46 | zinx | rebel52: either the debian maintainers haven't updated it, or they applied the relevant patches a long time ago. |
| 15:33.05 | rebel52 | i see |
| 15:33.12 | zinx | rebel52: i do not know which is the case |
| 15:33.57 | aliases123 | that is wrong. iceweasel is at 2.0.0.16-0etch1 in etch and 3ish in lenny. |
| 15:34.16 | aliases123 | please consult http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages if you wish to know more. |
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| 15:35.35 | zinx | aliases123: calling people wrong for the sake of calling them wrong doesn't really help anyone :/ |
| 15:35.47 | merlo_ | asg and wols : thank you, it's amazing: it is proposing more than one solution.. how do i lived till today without debian |
| 15:35.52 | rebel52 | i just installed debian etch a few minutes ago |
| 15:35.58 | rebel52 | and it came with 3.0.1 |
| 15:36.03 | rebel52 | so you're wrong aliases123 |
| 15:36.14 | Jemt | Can someone tell me how to convert "376021bd" into "3760-21bd" (add a dash) using bash ? |
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| 15:36.20 | wols_ | rebel52: you are wrong. there is no icewease 3.0.x in etch. never will be |
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| 15:36.34 | rebel52 | no.. your wrong. |
| 15:36.38 | wols_ | !Info iceweasel etch |
| 15:36.40 | dpkg | iceweasel: has nothing about Info |
| 15:36.47 | wols_ | !info iceweasel etch |
| 15:36.49 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.15-0etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 8903 kB, Installed size: 26348 kB |
| 15:36.50 | jelly-home | rebel52: "dpkg -l iceweasel libc6|tail -2", please? |
| 15:36.51 | aliases123 | wols_: um yep no double standards here ;) |
| 15:36.56 | wols_ | rebel52: come again? |
| 15:36.59 | zinx | rebel52: i think you may have ended up with lenny |
| 15:37.14 | wols_ | rebel52: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 15:37.58 | rebel52 | it says etch7 |
| 15:38.13 | jelly-home | rebel52: please paste the complete output |
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| 15:38.17 | rebel52 | can't |
| 15:38.25 | jelly-home | !pastebin pipe |
| 15:38.25 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. |
| 15:38.27 | wols_ | it doesn't. not if you have iceweasel 3.x. etch cannot run icewease since it misses some needed libraries |
| 15:38.31 | rebel52 | different hosts.. |
| 15:38.37 | rebel52 | no copy paste |
| 15:38.49 | rebel52 | is ssh enabled by default? |
| 15:38.59 | wols_ | rebel52: no. apt-get install openssh |
| 15:39.42 | wols_ | rebel52: and you can tell us until you are blue in the face: you can't run iceweasel 3 and etch at the same time when using only debian repos |
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| 15:40.15 | rebel52 | well im telling the truth here |
| 15:40.30 | wols_ | no you are not. please stop |
| 15:40.33 | wols_ | !firefox 3 etch |
| 15:40.33 | dpkg | Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it (if you believe that a backport will ever come...), or http://linuxgazette.net/150/kapil.html |
| 15:40.35 | jelly-home | rebel52: it might be interesting to see how this happened |
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| 15:41.26 | rebel52 | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 15:41.26 | wols_ | rebel52: apt-cache policy iceweasel |
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| 15:41.27 | rebel52 | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 15:42.01 | rebel52 | Installed: 2.0.0.16-0etch1 |
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| 15:42.07 | rebel52 | thats not what the about page says.. |
| 15:42.30 | rebel52 | oh wait.. |
| 15:42.34 | rebel52 | it says 2.0 |
| 15:42.35 | rebel52 | rofl |
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| 15:42.46 | wols_ | !sunday |
| 15:42.46 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 15:42.50 | rebel52 | i must have confused debian with sidux |
| 15:42.50 | jelly-home | mystery solved! |
| 15:43.14 | aliases123 | rebel52: nope no trolling here. moving along sir. |
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| 15:43.31 | wols_ | rebel52: any other debian related problems? |
| 15:43.54 | jelly-home | aliases123: trolling implies intent, doesn't it |
| 15:43.54 | rebel52 | i dont think so - not yet anyways |
| 15:44.23 | rebel52 | whats the difference between stable and unstable? |
| 15:44.45 | jelly-home | !releases |
| 15:44.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 15:45.51 | rebel52 | who comes up with the codenames? |
| 15:46.03 | Absolute0 | I just ran a dist-upgrade and this is what i got: http://rafb.net/p/knc8iv53.html |
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| 15:46.17 | aliases123 | btw does any one know what the package known as "prism" is under debian (its a mozilla based small application for google apps mostly) |
| 15:46.20 | muddd | secret agent man |
| 15:46.39 | Absolute0 | heres my source.list file: http://rafb.net/p/aVIRrv17.html |
| 15:46.42 | wols_ | aliases123: what makes you think it exists in debian? |
| 15:46.56 | Lagbolt | Absolute0, nice name. . . i have that on a hat :-p |
| 15:47.02 | aliases123 | wols_: nothing. |
| 15:47.11 | Absolute0 | what name? :) |
| 15:47.20 | aliases123 | but the debian maintainers are great. + you are too. |
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| 15:47.46 | jelly-home | aliases123: if you can't find it using apt-cache, aptitude, or other method in "/msg dpkg search", it's probably not there |
| 15:47.49 | Lagbolt | absolute 0 . . . |
| 15:48.01 | aliases123 | fair enough. |
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| 15:48.14 | jelly-home | !rfp |
| 15:48.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
| 15:48.16 | Absolute0 | I want lenny! |
| 15:48.23 | Absolute0 | damn |
| 15:48.23 | aliases123 | files |
| 15:48.26 | jelly-home | I want a pony. |
| 15:48.34 | Absolute0 | is git 1.4 much different than the current one? |
| 15:48.35 | aliases123 | jelly-home: i want another fat cat |
| 15:48.38 | wols_ | no wai! that's my pony |
| 15:48.39 | Absolute0 | etch has 1.4 |
| 15:48.45 | Absolute0 | and etch has an old firefox |
| 15:48.52 | Absolute0 | and etch has old everything |
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| 15:49.03 | wols_ | Absolute0: it's _stable_ |
| 15:49.09 | Absolute0 | i know |
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| 15:49.18 | Absolute0 | but not very usable |
| 15:49.35 | wols_ | Absolute0: do you have a debian support problem? |
| 15:49.37 | Absolute0 | why doesnt backports have all the packages |
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| 15:49.50 | wols_ | cause you didn't backport them all |
| 15:49.53 | Absolute0 | it only has some |
| 15:50.11 | Absolute0 | backporting just means testing with etch? |
| 15:50.25 | wols_ | !tell Absolute0 about backport |
| 15:50.28 | aliases123 | mmm can i make reportbug colourful ? |
| 15:50.56 | merlo_ | scusate, un'ultima cosa.. i font del browser mi sembrano peggiori rispetto a quelli di firefox |
| 15:51.03 | merlo_ | c'è un modo per sistemarli? |
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| 15:51.14 | wols_ | !it |
| 15:51.14 | dpkg | Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 15:52.01 | Absolute0 | Is there a working debian mirror with the lenny iso? |
| 15:52.21 | Absolute0 | The official one seems down |
| 15:53.10 | Absolute0 | Is there a netinstall for lenny? |
| 15:53.14 | wols_ | yes |
| 15:53.27 | Absolute0 | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ <- only stable |
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| 15:54.59 | jelly-home | merlo_: I'd start with /msg dpkg msttcorefonts |
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| 15:55.38 | pngwn | Absolute0, maybe http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer |
| 15:55.50 | merlo_ | jelly-home: i really apologize, i wrote my question in italian 'cos i believed i was in the italian channel |
| 15:56.15 | merlo_ | jelly-home: b the way thank you for answering me |
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| 15:56.20 | jelly-home | everyone makes mistakes, np |
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| 15:56.45 | Absolute0 | Can I install debian from another distro? |
| 15:56.51 | Absolute0 | like some live-cd? |
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| 15:57.12 | Lagbolt | Absolute0, you can install from a live cd with debootstrap |
| 15:57.19 | antazy | Hello, how run program with anather language, not system? |
| 15:57.33 | Zeroyez1 | How do I stop Debian from going to sleep? |
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| 15:57.54 | jelly-home | antazy: env LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 someapp & |
| 15:57.57 | alch3my | give it a cup o coffee |
| 15:58.02 | antazy | Zeroyez1: shutdown -h now |
| 15:58.02 | alch3my | ho ho ho! |
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| 15:58.22 | antazy | jelly-home: thx |
| 15:58.23 | jelly-home | antazy: (assuming an X app) |
| 15:59.10 | jelly-home | antazy: you'll also have to have the wanted locale enabled (dpkg-reconfigure locales) |
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| 16:00.28 | antazy | jelly-home: no, i run program but charset not right, and need run with en lang, so env LANG - that i want =) |
| 16:00.43 | cahoot | Zeroyez1: you mean you want to disable screen blanking? |
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| 16:02.06 | Zeroyez1 | and the suspend thing |
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| 16:02.23 | Zeroyez1 | I can't SSH into etch when it screen blanks |
| 16:02.28 | nubbun | If I want cached deb files on another FS, can I just put/var/cache/apt/archives on the other FS, or do I need /var/cache/apt because of pkgcache.bin? I would be having different apt versions sharing the cache. |
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| 16:03.26 | Sorrofix | Zeroyez1: http://www.doctort.org/adam/nerd-notes/disabling-screen-blanking-in-xorg.html |
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| 16:04.11 | nubbun | wow, Sorrofix, that was fast! |
| 16:04.14 | cahoot | Zeroyez1: gnome power manager puts it to suspend after a ceratain time of inactivity? if that's the case you just configure via the applet I suppose |
| 16:04.54 | Zeroyez1 | no |
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| 16:05.17 | Zeroyez1 | I don't have anything installed except openssh-server and mysql |
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| 16:05.28 | Zeroyez1 | no desktop environments or x |
| 16:06.15 | Sorrofix | it goes to sleep even when you're not running xorg? |
| 16:06.34 | cahoot | Zeroyez1: man setterm then? |
| 16:07.13 | cahoot | Zeroyez1: err - disregard |
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| 16:08.04 | Zeroyez1 | yes i'm not running xorg at all, it just suspends after 15 minutes and then I press a key and after around 10-15 seconds it wakes up |
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| 16:08.21 | Zeroyez1 | I used netinst and deselected every package possible |
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| 16:08.32 | wols_ | Zeroyez1: it hibernates? |
| 16:08.37 | Zeroyez1 | yeah |
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| 16:08.56 | Sorrofix | well, is hibernate installed? |
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| 16:09.19 | vadmeste | Hi.. It's not possible to hibernate if I don't have a swap disk ? i have 2 Go memory.. i don't need swap... |
| 16:09.44 | muddd | I think you can change the acpi settings somewhere |
| 16:09.47 | Zeroyez1 | -bash: hibernate: command not found |
| 16:09.49 | muddd | trying to remember |
| 16:10.06 | Sorrofix | you need swap if you want to hibernate |
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| 16:11.09 | vadmeste | Sorrofix, should I report a bug ? or it's naturally not possible ? |
| 16:11.20 | aliases123 | s2disk ... is that command there ? |
| 16:11.31 | Sorrofix | well if you want to hibernate to disk you need disk space |
| 16:11.41 | Sorrofix | ~/hibernate/suspend/ |
| 16:12.09 | Sorrofix | otherwise you can only suspend to ram, which should work |
| 16:12.16 | phorce1 | Zeroyez1: until you figure out how to make it not suspend you can try disabling the screen blanking by using setterm |
| 16:12.19 | vadmeste | Sorrofix, and so ? |
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| 16:12.48 | _weebl_ | Hello, I am looking for a way to monitor banwidth on my system. Can anyone point me to a program? |
| 16:12.59 | Sorrofix | screen blanking shouldn't have anything to do with hibernation |
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| 16:13.30 | vadmeste | Sorrofix, lool.. you are speaking with me ? |
| 16:13.37 | Sorrofix | vadmeste: no |
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| 16:15.28 | phorce1 | Sorrofix: you are correct -- that's why I said "try disabling", just to see if it stays out of suspend if the screen never powers down. Some machines are odd about what they see as "activity" |
| 16:15.51 | petemc | _weebl_: iptotal , tho it depends exactly what you want to monitor |
| 16:15.57 | jelly-home | vadmeste: install uswsusp, read the docs |
| 16:16.10 | Zonei | Hi all. New to Debian and need some help. I need to add backports repository for etch, but the docs say I should import debian-backports-keyring package. When I try to apt-get install it, it says that the package cannot be authenticated. How can I verify that the keyring package is valid? |
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| 16:16.30 | _weebl_ | I want to monitor which programs use X amount of bandwidth, if this is actually possible |
| 16:16.40 | wols_ | Zonei: backports.org and read the isntructions there |
| 16:16.51 | wols_ | _weebl_: iptraf |
| 16:17.18 | jelly-home | wols_: per-process usage? |
| 16:17.28 | _weebl_ | Alright I will look into it |
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| 16:17.36 | wols_ | hmm.... per port I guess... |
| 16:17.42 | jelly-home | _weebl_: network bandwidth, disk bw, memory bandwidth, which kind? |
| 16:17.50 | wols_ | there was ipac-ng once upon a time. that did it |
| 16:17.50 | _weebl_ | network bw |
| 16:18.00 | WormFood | has anyone heard about flash memory (like CF, SD, MS, etc) that reports itself to be bigger than it really is (obviously by companies trying to rip you off)? |
| 16:18.05 | petemc | im still using ipac-ng |
| 16:18.10 | _weebl_ | Some program seems to be using alot of BW, but can't figure out which program... :( |
| 16:18.24 | wols_ | WormFood: yes. has been happening about half a year or more now |
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| 16:18.37 | wols_ | petemc: I think it's not in lenny anymore |
| 16:18.41 | jelly-home | I've only tried atop patches and atop; that took care of tcp+udp counting |
| 16:18.43 | N1ckR | If I keep running debian testing, how stable and upto date will it be after Lenny goes live in the initial first few months ? I am wondering if I should stay with Lenny for a few months then dist-upgrade to testing ? |
| 16:18.43 | Zonei | wols_: k, thanks. |
| 16:18.56 | petemc | wols_: no, its not being developed upstream either |
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| 16:18.56 | Zeroyez1 | WormFood: I bought a 16 GB off eBay that turned out to fit 8 GB |
| 16:18.58 | petemc | afaik |
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| 16:19.16 | WormFood | is anyone aware of any software to test for that "bad" memory? |
| 16:19.22 | petemc | memtest |
| 16:19.30 | WormFood | no, not ram |
| 16:19.31 | jelly-home | WormFood: yes, commonplace for ebay and similar |
| 16:19.34 | vadmeste | jelly-home, i am just asking it's possible or not ? |
| 16:19.34 | wols_ | WormFood: yes tehre is. lemme look |
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| 16:19.57 | N1ckR | WormFood memtest |
| 16:19.59 | JohnD | : N1ckR |
| 16:20.03 | WormFood | thanks wols_....I was looking into modifying badblocks, but no use to reinvent the wheel |
| 16:20.07 | JohnD | you into this car ? |
| 16:20.12 | dudeman | hey guys |
| 16:20.13 | WormFood | memtest only tests ram (last I knew) |
| 16:20.19 | JohnD | hey guys i just have a part in it |
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| 16:20.25 | WormFood | I'm not talking about RAM, I'm talking about FLASH |
| 16:20.27 | JohnD | these last 24 hours have been scandalized by your WormFood shenanigans |
| 16:20.40 | JohnD | shows up from flash then pop up an error couldnt finde ram disk whats that ? |
| 16:20.50 | dudeman | what kinda memory you want to test |
| 16:20.51 | Zeroyez1 | I'd try CRC checking a file the same size as the stick, then transferring it on, unplugging it, then transferring it back and checking the CRC again to see if they match |
| 16:20.52 | JohnD | the test ? |
| 16:20.57 | _weebl_ | RX bytes:306009378 (291.8 MiB) TX bytes:286961090 (273.6 MiB) < - this all in 1 hour... i can't figure out what is using it |
| 16:20.59 | JohnD | they wanted to join in the same tissue |
| 16:21.00 | jelly-home | vadmeste: with atop and its kernel patches, it is. Recent vanilla kernels have incorporated some of their functionality |
| 16:21.01 | JohnD | dvd to woink < photograph |
| 16:21.03 | WormFood | what the hell are you talking about JohnD? |
| 16:21.08 | JohnD | to use their dumbass reflection to stupify |
| 16:21.15 | dudeman | !sunday |
| 16:21.15 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 16:21.23 | vadmeste | jelly-home, thanks |
| 16:21.25 | JohnD | of day moving in from the begining it goes fast |
| 16:21.27 | JohnD | vadmeste for linux |
| 16:21.28 | N1ckR | !tacos |
| 16:21.28 | dpkg | tacos are the only thing that has meaning in life |
| 16:21.30 | WormFood | that is nice, but it isn't sunday here, it is monday :P |
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| 16:21.32 | JohnD | no best thing ever |
| 16:21.32 | JohnD | it was nice |
| 16:21.39 | jelly-home | !ops JohnD is a spambot |
| 16:21.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: JohnD is a spambot |
| 16:21.53 | wols_ | WormFood: http://sosfakeflash.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/h2testw-14-gold-standard-in-detecting-usb-counterfeit-drives/ |
| 16:21.54 | dudeman | jelly-home, that was uncalled for. |
| 16:22.02 | wols_ | WormFood: widnows only. nothing for linux |
| 16:22.18 | WormFood | ok, that is fine, I'll just modify badblocks program to test for that condition |
| 16:22.23 | wols_ | dudeman: not really. that's a crapflood |
| 16:22.27 | wols_ | WormFood: won't work |
| 16:22.33 | jelly-home | dudeman: I'd say it really was, ymmv. |
| 16:22.35 | WormFood | should be easy enough....just make another pass, and have it record the sector number |
| 16:22.46 | WormFood | why won't it work wols_? |
| 16:22.48 | dudeman | jelly-home, well.. my speedometer reports it as NOT a spambot |
| 16:22.53 | dudeman | jelly-home, however rather annoying |
| 16:22.55 | dudeman | ;) |
| 16:23.01 | WormFood | write the sector number to each sector, and read them all back? that won't work? |
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| 16:23.08 | wols_ | WormFood: those bad sticks map the non existing sectors to existing. it claims to have 4GB or so but if you go above 1GB the old stuff gets ioverwritten |
| 16:23.23 | wols_ | WormFood: it works in wine btw (afaik) |
| 16:23.28 | znh | jelly-home, he's mine. forgot to disable speaking. |
| 16:23.43 | jelly-home | bad znh. |
| 16:23.52 | jelly-home | !spank znh |
| 16:23.52 | dpkg | bends znh over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 16:23.55 | wols_ | znh: bots are not allowed |
| 16:23.55 | WormFood | right wols_, so if sectors get overwritten, then it would detect it, because what I write to the sectors will be different |
| 16:24.00 | nvz | znh: you should not bring bots in here without permission |
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| 16:24.07 | WormFood | wols_, ä½ æç½å? |
| 16:24.17 | wols_ | WormFood: h2testw works in WINE |
| 16:24.19 | znh | If it does not speak there is nothing bot |
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| 16:24.38 | nvz | piggy doesn't speak, and its still a bot |
| 16:25.07 | WormFood | I don't care if it works in wine, I try to avoid winblows apps at all costs....the only time I run winblows apps is if I absolutely need to....and this is something I can do on my own....and I should be able to do it fairly easily too ;) |
| 16:26.14 | WormFood | and it would be GPL too, because it would be based on badblocks |
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| 16:27.26 | WormFood | who knows? maybe my work can be included in the official distribution of e2fsprogs (of which badblocks is part of) |
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| 16:28.21 | gigo | is there any script that is run when anyone opens gnome-terminal just like /etc/profile is run every time opens a tty? |
| 16:28.33 | WormFood | because of the way that badblocks works, it can not detect overwritten sectors, because it writes 00 to everything, then reads them back, so any overwritten sectors won't be detected |
| 16:29.07 | Sorrofix | gigo: look at .bashrc |
| 16:29.30 | Sorrofix | (assuming you use bash, of course) |
| 16:29.44 | jelly-home | WormFood: it'd also work for any remaining large-block-device bugs |
| 16:29.47 | WormFood | script it to detect a gnome terminal, to execute the .rc of your choice |
| 16:29.58 | WormFood | indeed, it would jelly-home ;) |
| 16:30.00 | nubbun | I'm a LVM newbie. I wish to create a new LV. When I run lvm, i get "File descriptor 3 left open". The existing LV is not mounted. Is there something I should detach somehow? |
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| 16:30.25 | jelly-home | not so long ago, writes to +2TB would end wrapped |
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| 16:30.37 | WormFood | wow |
| 16:30.43 | WormFood | I wasn't aware of that |
| 16:31.04 | WormFood | will badblocks work with +2TB devices? |
| 16:31.33 | WormFood | I have a feeling it won't |
| 16:31.58 | WormFood | I'm glad I didn't merge all my hard drives into a 2+ TB device |
| 16:32.04 | jelly-home | it might not detect the misdirected write |
| 16:32.06 | nubbun | WormFood: could be tested with device mapper and zero target. |
| 16:32.27 | nubbun | WormFood: write test would report all blocks bad, though. |
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| 16:33.04 | jelly-home | rhel4 supports up to 8 or 16TB, I don't run debian on that machine so I currently don't care |
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| 16:33.07 | WormFood | nubbun, you talking about my idea for testing fake flash memory? |
| 16:33.22 | WormFood | redhat sucks donkey balls |
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| 16:33.26 | dudeman | dude |
| 16:33.27 | cr3rzemjest | hi, i've got some weird random characters in my home .Xauthority, does it mean something bad happened? can i delete them? |
| 16:33.36 | WormFood | it is like their defaults have their head up their ass |
| 16:33.37 | dudeman | cr3rzemjest, are you able to startx |
| 16:33.37 | dudeman | ? |
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| 16:33.42 | gigo | Sorrofix: but .bashrc has to be written for every user. I want something common like /etc/profile |
| 16:33.49 | gigo | that would be run when anyone opens gnome-terminal |
| 16:33.53 | cr3rzemjest | dudeman, yes everythng is ok |
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| 16:33.59 | dudeman | cr3rzemjest, then it should be fine |
| 16:34.03 | jelly-home | cr3rzemjest: that file has a binary format, it's ok |
| 16:34.13 | nubbun | WormFood: about badblocks. I missed the earlier part of the conversation about fake flash. |
| 16:34.19 | cr3rzemjest | jelly-home, really? ;/ |
| 16:34.25 | jelly-home | cr3rzemjest: you can inspect the contents with eg. "xauth list" |
| 16:34.31 | cr3rzemjest | i was just going to deete it |
| 16:34.36 | dudeman | jelly-home, sonovabitch |
| 16:34.37 | WormFood | ok nubbun ;) |
| 16:34.39 | dudeman | jelly-home, too damn fast |
| 16:34.43 | dudeman | !win jelly-home |
| 16:34.43 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly-home! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 16:35.04 | jelly-home | cr3rzemjest: don't, that would prevent you from starting any X apps after that |
| 16:35.05 | nubbun | I'm a LVM newbie. I wish to create a new LV. When I run lvm, i get "File descriptor 3 left open". The existing LV is not mounted. Is there something I should detach somehow? |
| 16:35.08 | cr3rzemjest | jelly-home, i thought this file is the same as .xsessioin |
| 16:35.12 | dudeman | cr3rzemjest, NO! |
| 16:35.23 | cr3rzemjest | sorry |
| 16:35.29 | jelly-home | cr3rzemjest: man xauth |
| 16:36.02 | jelly-home | nubbun: I though you used "lvcreate" for that? |
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| 16:36.32 | dudeman | cvt 1680x1050 60 |
| 16:36.39 | dudeman | whoop |
| 16:36.48 | nubbun | jelly-home: well, i go into the lvm shell first using the lvm command. it looks like one can run all the lvm related tasks like lvcreate from there. |
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| 16:37.20 | dudeman | what happens if you try to generate/use a modeline with higher refresh than your lcd does |
| 16:37.22 | f13_ | Hi. I am having problems with %si on top |
| 16:37.29 | dudeman | for example I have 16:10 @ 60 |
| 16:37.32 | f13_ | it is > 50.0! |
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| 16:37.37 | dudeman | would it be possible to make it to 75? |
| 16:37.42 | dudeman | without blowing shit up? |
| 16:37.52 | f13_ | someone knows what is this? |
| 16:38.34 | nubbun | dudeman: I've never blown up an LCD with bad specs. |
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| 16:39.06 | dudeman | si -- Software Interrupts The amount of time the CPU has been servicing software interrupts. |
| 16:39.16 | jelly-home | nubbun: I've no experience with that mode of usage, but have used pvcreate, vgcreate and lvcreate successfully |
| 16:39.20 | dudeman | man top |
| 16:39.28 | f13_ | dudeman: Ok. I see that in the man |
| 16:39.29 | nubbun | dudeman: I've only had LCDs with VGA connectors, though. The ADC protects against bad inputs. |
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| 16:39.53 | dudeman | well mine is a DVI to HDMI (monitor doesn't take anything but DSUB and/or HDMI |
| 16:40.03 | nubbun | jelly-home: must one detach the LVs somehow before doing lvcreate? |
| 16:40.07 | dudeman | With analog I can't get 16:10 at 60 |
| 16:40.09 | dudeman | but only at 30 |
| 16:40.11 | N1ckR | If I keep running debian testing, how stable and upto date will it be after Lenny goes live in the initial first few months ? I am wondering if I should stay with Lenny for a few months then dist-upgrade to testing ? |
| 16:40.17 | dudeman | with digital connection I get proper res/refresh |
| 16:40.18 | f13_ | dudeman: I just doesnt undestand how it can be so high. I dont have nothing executing, just gnome and firefox |
| 16:40.34 | dudeman | f13_, I'm not a linux guru, a newb rather |
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| 16:40.39 | dudeman | I don't kow much about that stuff |
| 16:40.46 | jelly-home | nubbun: you already have LVs? |
| 16:40.54 | nubbun | jelly-home: yes, 1 |
| 16:40.56 | f13_ | dudeman: Ok! thanks a lot! |
| 16:41.02 | dudeman | sure |
| 16:41.05 | f13_ | So, can someone help me? |
| 16:41.10 | jelly-home | nubbun: I suspect #lvm will be more helpful |
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| 16:41.31 | dudeman | f13_, it seems a generic linux question perhaps, what could cause %si to go up that high.. try ##linux as well |
| 16:41.38 | jelly-home | nubbun: things mostly just worked for me |
| 16:42.05 | dudeman | !works for me |
| 16:42.08 | dudeman | ohhhhhh |
| 16:42.14 | dudeman | damn, reverse burn! |
| 16:42.19 | dudeman | dpkg, hi |
| 16:42.19 | dpkg | what's up |
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| 16:42.30 | dudeman | !listkeys works for me |
| 16:42.32 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'works for me' by key returned no results. |
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| 16:42.42 | dudeman | bleh |
| 16:43.07 | jelly-home | msg the bot? |
| 16:43.14 | dudeman | yeh no |
| 16:43.16 | nubbun | !listkeys worked for me |
| 16:43.18 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'worked for me' by key returned no results. |
| 16:43.21 | dudeman | dpkg.vireo.org |
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| 16:43.37 | dudeman | I prefer to use the dpkg FE |
| 16:43.53 | dudeman | and its wildcarded by default so its good now |
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| 16:45.21 | eddieBB | how do i close a frozen program running through wine? |
| 16:45.37 | wols_ | eddieBB: kill it? |
| 16:45.58 | eddieBB | wols_: i tried that but it's still in the bottom toolbar |
| 16:46.06 | jelly-home | f13_: try doing a "watch -d cat /proc/interrupts", and see if there are any excessive interrupts |
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| 16:46.40 | f13_ | ok. |
| 16:46.45 | wols_ | eddieBB: kill -9 |
| 16:47.12 | f13_ | jelly-home: ok... I will do |
| 16:47.47 | jelly-home | eddieBB: kill its process and confirm it's dead. If wineserver doesn't die in some 10-ish seconds after that, kill that as well |
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| 16:48.09 | eddieBB | wols_: kill -9 wine? |
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| 16:49.30 | jelly-home | eddieBB: no. kill uses the process id (number) as its argument. find out (using top, ps -fe, or whatever) which processes belong to wine, and kill those |
| 16:49.34 | eddieBB | i keep getting arguments must be process or job IDs |
| 16:50.22 | xci | try killall wine, or write ps aux | grep wine, pick the process id and write kill -9 <ID> |
| 16:50.28 | avu | (or just use pkill) |
| 16:50.54 | xci | though note that killall wine kills all wine processes |
| 16:51.01 | jelly-home | eddieBB: you have to learn to use kill first; this is a unix/linux/shell basic so we assume you'd know what to do with it |
| 16:51.27 | jelly-home | !grounding |
| 16:51.27 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
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| 16:52.49 | WormFood | I wonder, are these "fake" flash memory drives, just being written with the FAT file system faked out, to make it say it is bigger than it really is, or if the device is really wrapping around in hardware |
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| 16:53.37 | zinx | WormFood: what fake flash memory drives? o_O |
| 16:53.49 | WormFood | my flash memory I got today says 1 gig printed on it, and when I mounted it, 'df' reported it as having 1 gig of free space, but badblocks on /dev/sda (not /dev/sda1) shows it is only 512 meg (or really 483 meg) |
| 16:53.51 | avu | WormFood, I've only seen the latter. which means that re-formatting them doesn't help at all |
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| 16:54.37 | WormFood | avu, well, if I tried to reformat /dev/sda1, without fixing the partition table, then it wouldn't work....but by rewriting the partition table, it works |
| 16:54.57 | zinx | WormFood: try writing a 1g file to it? badblocks uses 1024 byte blocks by default too, though, fwiw. |
| 16:55.00 | WormFood | zinx, yeah, it seems some shit companies are selling flash memory labeled as bigger than it really is |
| 16:55.21 | maligor | heh, and might not even know it themselves |
| 16:55.32 | maligor | probably just order them in bulk from somewhere |
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| 16:56.25 | WormFood | zinx, bad blocks reports the real number of blocks on the device, not its internal block size |
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| 16:56.52 | zinx | WormFood: no, badblocks reports the number of 1024 byte 'blocks' |
| 16:57.03 | maligor | alternatively it could also be a broken controller that's never been tested on linux |
| 16:57.11 | zinx | WormFood: and you can get the same thing by viewing dmesg |
| 16:57.16 | torrr | how can I downgrade a package |
| 16:57.26 | torrr | how can I get the old version? |
| 16:57.27 | wols_ | !downgrade |
| 16:57.27 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 16:57.33 | WormFood | zinx, no it does not, I just tested it |
| 16:57.45 | zinx | WormFood: and what did it say, exactly? |
| 16:57.56 | WormFood | you're right, I looked in dmesg |
| 16:58.37 | WormFood | it was fdisk that let me to believe you were wrong, but you are right |
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| 16:59.39 | WormFood | it was me misreading fdisk that led me to believe you were wrong....my bad |
| 16:59.59 | zinx | no worries |
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| 17:01.48 | WormFood | I can't be right all the time ;) |
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| 17:02.49 | WormFood | I've actually had people say I'm never wrong...which I think it funny....I tell them I'm wrong plenty of times, I just get lucky sometimes, and they don't see it |
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| 17:03.32 | ceil420 | funny, i'm always right, and no one ever listens to me ;x |
| 17:03.44 | WormFood | yeah, itsn't it funny how that works |
| 17:03.50 | ceil420 | on that very rare occasion that i happen to not be as right as usual, they actually listen >< |
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| 17:03.52 | WormFood | and sometimes I hope I'm wrong |
| 17:04.06 | WormFood | "I'm never wrong, just misunderstood" ;) |
| 17:04.43 | ceil420 | :p |
| 17:04.45 | simonrvn | i'll just make sure to not ever listen then. nobody listens to me, and i'm mostly right ;). |
| 17:05.08 | WormFood | I'm usually right, when it comes to computers and electronics |
| 17:05.11 | ceil420 | lol |
| 17:05.29 | WormFood | I'm almost always wrong when it comes to people, except when I talk about people in general |
| 17:05.42 | ceil420 | well people in general are retarded and predictable |
| 17:05.43 | ceil420 | ;x |
| 17:05.48 | WormFood | exactly |
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| 17:05.52 | SPF | I just copied a whole directory of 130 Gb. But du -s differs in size. Difference is 8 bytes, did I forget something? |
| 17:06.03 | WormFood | and I make broad and general statements about people too ;) |
| 17:06.26 | infernix | does someone know why I can't write over NFS unless the *group* permissions are allowing me? meaning, the user permissions are not sufficient. e.g. a folder is 750 and uid:gid is infernix:infernix - I can't write to that over NFS. when i chmod that folder to 770 - I *can* write to that over NFS. |
| 17:06.27 | WormFood | SPF, what does "diff" say about them? |
| 17:07.00 | SPF | WormFood: how long would it take for 130 Gb? |
| 17:07.12 | infernix | err. ignore that. problem found, $user is getting mapped to nobody/nogroup. |
| 17:07.22 | WormFood | infernix, are your local and remote user IDs the same on both machines? (the number, not the names) |
| 17:07.27 | jelly-home | infernix: that's nfs for you |
| 17:07.32 | WormFood | SPF, that depends on how fast your drives are |
| 17:07.38 | SPF | 40 MB/s |
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| 17:07.53 | veganlion | can someone confirm~ that vim in unstable is broken or damaged? |
| 17:07.56 | blubberdiblub | SPF, make two normalized (sorted) listings of the two directories and compare the 2 outputs |
| 17:07.56 | WormFood | SPF, I always "diff" important data when I copy it...it seems "newer" hard drives are just not that reliable |
| 17:08.13 | SPF | blubberdiblub: already did. They are the same |
| 17:08.19 | infernix | WormFood, jelly-home, yeah. this thing broke a few days ago when i apt-get upgraded my sid box, been working fine for months |
| 17:08.32 | infernix | funny thing is, UIDs match on server and desktop |
| 17:08.41 | WormFood | veganlion, it works for me, what type of problems are you having |
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| 17:08.44 | infernix | but still * gets remapped to nobody, including root |
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| 17:09.02 | WormFood | infernix, that is why I run sid, because I want my system to break every time I update it ;) |
| 17:09.04 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 17:09.04 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 17:09.06 | veganlion | i purged vim-tiny then tried to install vim but pakage seems damaged |
| 17:09.24 | blubberdiblub | SPF, du -s without any other options cannot differ by 8 bytes. it does neither count in byte granularity this way nor does it count apparent file sizes. check the du manual |
| 17:09.25 | WormFood | veganlion, what type of messages do you get? |
| 17:09.28 | simonrvn | !info vim unstable |
| 17:09.31 | jelly-home | infernix: for root that's be expected (unless no_root_squash), but for normal users, less so |
| 17:09.33 | infernix | WormFood: only happens twice a year for me, but YMMV :) |
| 17:09.49 | WormFood | infernix, it happens to me about every 2nd to 4th upgrade |
| 17:09.50 | infernix | jelly-home: exactly, so why's it happening for normal users i wonder. |
| 17:09.52 | veganlion | WormFood, vim is damaged~ |
| 17:09.53 | WormFood | or update |
| 17:10.00 | jelly-home | !blame sid |
| 17:10.01 | dpkg | blames znh and sid for the end of life as we know it |
| 17:10.11 | WormFood | veganlion, purge your downloaded package, and try again....it works for me |
| 17:10.22 | veganlion | WormFood, ok will try |
| 17:10.29 | simonrvn | dpkg: hurry up |
| 17:10.30 | dpkg | no fsck you! |
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| 17:11.00 | WormFood | veganlion, and there is also the slim chance that it could be damaged on your upstream server, so it MAY help to change your repository |
| 17:11.13 | veganlion | WormFood, thank you |
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| 17:11.39 | infernix | checks nfs-common changelogs |
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| 17:11.51 | WormFood | good luck with it veganlion ;) |
| 17:11.52 | simonrvn | infernix: bts |
| 17:12.22 | simonrvn | !info vim |
| 17:12.23 | infernix | well it can't be that, nfs packages havent changed in the past month. i did upgrade my kernel from 2.6.25.4 to .17 |
| 17:12.51 | WormFood | it is after 1am here, I need to go to bed. I'll fuck with this flash memory and testing it tomorrow to make sure it isn't "fake". I think I figured out how to make badblocks check it with pseudorandom data, but we'll see ;) |
| 17:13.13 | WormFood | you all have a good day/night åè§ |
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| 17:15.55 | dpkg | vim: (Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 2:7.2.010-1 (sid), Packaged size: 762 kB, Installed size: 1524 kB |
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| 17:19.28 | Larcen_ | hi all |
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| 17:22.08 | N1ckR | If I keep running debian testing, how stable and upto date will it be after Lenny goes live in the initial first few months ? I am wondering if I should stay with Lenny for a few months then dist-upgrade to testing ? |
| 17:22.30 | wols_ | N1ckR: it won't be stable at all when new testing is created |
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| 17:24.23 | N1ckR | wols, that's what I suspected, how long approx before things settle down ? |
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| 17:24.33 | wols_ | dunno |
| 17:24.37 | N1ckR | :D |
| 17:24.47 | Larcen_ | hi...i have a problem configuring xorg.conf for dual monitor system |
| 17:24.58 | N1ckR | like asking when the final release i |
| 17:25.01 | N1ckR | s gonna be |
| 17:25.11 | Larcen_ | can anyone help me? |
| 17:25.25 | wols_ | !tell N1ckR about wwlr |
| 17:25.31 | wols_ | !tell Larcen_ about ask |
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| 17:26.12 | Larcen_ | the dual monitor system is running ok, but now, i want to change the master monitor to the slave one |
| 17:26.36 | Larcen_ | i have tried to change manually the xorg.conf but anything works |
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| 17:26.50 | Larcen_ | the X session always starts in the same monitor |
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| 17:27.22 | Larcen_ | any idea? |
| 17:27.47 | avrhack | the jumpers |
| 17:29.27 | Larcen_ | avrhack, d you think that there is a jumper in the video card that changes the conection to the default monitor? |
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| 17:31.12 | torrr | anyone know about a gdb bug in etch? |
| 17:31.31 | torrr | with amd64 I couldn't debug clamav |
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| 17:31.50 | torrr | and with 32bit kernel I can't debug vsftpd |
| 17:31.52 | torrr | :/ |
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| 17:35.31 | Larcen_ | i have a dual monitor system running, but i want to change de master monitor to the slave one. I chage the xorg.conf configuration but i doesn't work. Any idea?? |
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| 17:36.08 | simNIX | maybe weird thoght but why not plug monitors in the other way around ? |
| 17:36.34 | simNIX | and the leftof instead of rightof |
| 17:36.37 | simNIX | then |
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| 17:37.16 | blubberdiblub | would probably work unless they use different connectors ;) |
| 17:37.19 | Larcen_ | because one is a 22'' monitor with a VGA conection and the other a 32'' LCD TV |
| 17:37.20 | simNIX | or you could switch screen definitons of monitors to other card |
| 17:37.53 | Larcen_ | the system is ok now, but i think about how to change the master monitor |
| 17:38.07 | Larcen_ | i think it's going to be easy, but i cant |
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| 17:39.07 | Larcen_ | it's a Nvidia fx5200 whith 2 conections |
| 17:39.12 | simNIX | you want to have instead of moni1 on card1 and moni2 on card2 to go to moni1 on card2 ? |
| 17:39.40 | Larcen_ | i change the xorg.conf in a hundred ways but nothing |
| 17:39.59 | simNIX | (if 1 card then replace in what I typed head1/2 instead of card) |
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| 17:40.19 | simNIX | paste it - I can compere what I have w my 4 screens |
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| 17:40.37 | Larcen_ | give me the URL to paste please |
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| 17:40.50 | blubberdiblub | !paste |
| 17:40.50 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 17:42.17 | Larcen_ | http://paste.debian.net/18144/ |
| 17:42.20 | simNIX | k |
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| 17:42.56 | Larcen_ | if you don't know yet...i'm spanish...sorry for my English :) |
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| 17:44.03 | simNIX | (Larcen_, I asume this paste'd one is working ok - except you want boot mesages and login on other screen ? |
| 17:44.34 | dante_2core | simNIX, xorg troubles with nvidia? got SLI and triplehead running here with two 8800GTXers, maybe I can help |
| 17:44.55 | Larcen_ | yes |
| 17:45.00 | dante_2core | link |
| 17:45.09 | Larcen_ | i want login screen on the other monitor |
| 17:45.20 | dante_2core | but else it works? |
| 17:45.29 | simNIX | Larcen is if im understanding correct trying to get his moxitor card link switched |
| 17:45.33 | dante_2core | what display manager? kdm/gdm/xdm? |
| 17:45.36 | simNIX | to get main monitor on other |
| 17:45.44 | simNIX | can be done in xorg |
| 17:45.50 | Larcen_ | gdm |
| 17:45.57 | Larcen_ | its debian etch default |
| 17:46.02 | blubberdiblub | what about Option "UseDisplayDevice" |
| 17:46.05 | dante_2core | Larcen_, looked in gdm's manuals if there's an option to switch? |
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| 17:46.36 | Larcen_ | no...i think it can be done with xorg.conf configuration |
| 17:46.57 | blubberdiblub | Larcen_, already tried Option "UseDisplayDevice" ? |
| 17:47.03 | simNIX | Larcen: you have difined monitor L225W -> linked to Default Screen |
| 17:47.08 | dante_2core | Larcen_, nvidia-settings does nothing but change xorg ;) |
| 17:47.23 | simNIX | same for LCD32 |
| 17:47.26 | dante_2core | well, some options are not in xorg, but they are driver-specific. nothing that'd matter here anyway |
| 17:47.29 | simNIX | reverse that |
| 17:47.50 | dante_2core | Larcen_, twinview, right? |
| 17:47.55 | simNIX | make it monitor LCD32-> linked to Default Screen |
| 17:48.05 | Larcen_ | sinNIX i change this and doesn't work |
| 17:48.21 | simNIX | you did restart x ? |
| 17:48.32 | Larcen_ | yes...i restarted all system |
| 17:48.34 | Larcen_ | but nothing |
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| 17:48.46 | confrey | hi everybody |
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| 17:48.51 | simNIX | how nothing; no immage ? |
| 17:48.51 | Larcen_ | dante_2core |
| 17:48.54 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 17:48.59 | HardDisk_WP | in the debian CLI installer |
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| 17:49.07 | HardDisk_WP | how do i prevent partman from formatting? |
| 17:49.15 | dante_2core | Larcen_, yea? |
| 17:49.16 | HardDisk_WP | if the media is already pre-parted |
| 17:49.18 | Larcen_ | the same sassion whith 2 desk |
| 17:49.29 | confrey | I'm a musician, I can't work fine with rosegarden, audio output is jittered, what can I do? |
| 17:49.30 | Larcen_ | no..it works but in the same way |
| 17:49.32 | dante_2core | HardDisk_WP, go "advanced" or "fully manual" and just use the premade partitions |
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| 17:49.49 | Larcen_ | like i didn't change anything |
| 17:49.52 | HardDisk_WP | dante_2core, the machine takes way too long to format the disk ext3 |
| 17:49.55 | HardDisk_WP | its a nslu2 |
| 17:50.12 | dante_2core | HardDisk_WP, mmh.... dunno, maybe skip the partitioning? |
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| 17:50.19 | dante_2core | well then it's saying no disk found. blah. |
| 17:50.28 | HardDisk_WP | dante_2core, ok, but how do i tell the installer where to install debian on? |
| 17:50.30 | simNIX | nslu2 = only 266Mhz and usb is slow |
| 17:50.40 | simNIX | my format I did on other machine |
| 17:50.44 | HardDisk_WP | yeah |
| 17:50.45 | Larcen_ | i have tried to change Device sections and the parameter Screen but nothing |
| 17:50.47 | simNIX | (on my nslu2 |
| 17:51.00 | HardDisk_WP | simNIX, but how did you prevent partman from formatting? |
| 17:51.01 | dante_2core | Larcen_, I think gdm should have some option on which monitor to display |
| 17:51.20 | Larcen_ | it's posible... |
| 17:51.31 | simNIX | did you upslug it ? |
| 17:51.35 | HardDisk_WP | nah |
| 17:51.39 | HardDisk_WP | debian installer |
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| 17:52.06 | simNIX | why go that route ? - result w upslug is a full debian also ... |
| 17:52.28 | Larcen_ | thanks guys...i'm going to try gdm config :) |
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| 17:52.57 | dante_2core | :o arcsky I see that right, you have login on, say, right screen, and want it left ( or vice versa ). Just telling xorg to switch the two screens and then set the layout correctly should work? |
| 17:52.58 | HardDisk_WP | hm. i think i go and make only 200mb disk |
| 17:53.07 | HardDisk_WP | and resize then |
| 17:53.14 | dante_2core | :D |
| 17:53.44 | Larcen_ | date_2core make me a priv please |
| 17:53.44 | dante_2core | bah |
| 17:53.51 | dante_2core | ? |
| 17:53.53 | dante_2core | query? |
| 17:53.58 | Larcen_ | yes :) |
| 17:54.00 | dante_2core | why not solve it here, others help too |
| 17:54.21 | dante_2core | HHHH:back |
| 17:54.28 | Larcen_ | because i'm spanish...i read slow and write slow too |
| 17:54.42 | dante_2core | sorry guys, had focus here while using iceweasel ;) |
| 17:54.44 | Larcen_ | if many people is writing i go crazy :) |
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| 17:56.15 | Larcen_ | but i have changed serverlayout settings too and nothing |
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| 17:57.31 | nvz | !es |
| 17:57.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:01.35 | blubberdiblub | Larcen_, can you try Option "UseDisplayDevice" please, or have you already tried that? |
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| 18:02.36 | lem0n | hmm, what package contains snmpwalk? searching for 'snmpwalk' in the repositories gives no results. |
| 18:02.36 | Gromgull | Does anyone have any idea why ctrl-alt-FX switching no longer works here? chvt works on the terminal and the gettys are there.... |
| 18:04.14 | lem0n | nevermind, its part of "snmp" :) |
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| 18:09.14 | sly007 | Hello, I cannot netcat to my exim server from my home (netcat eximserver 25), but only when i'm connected to the server using ssh (netcat localhost 25). However the server do receive email from other smtp servers |
| 18:09.18 | sly007 | how is this possible? |
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| 18:11.24 | mimcpher | sly007, many home internet providers block outgoing connections on port 25 |
| 18:11.33 | mimcpher | This is to prevent windows zombies from sending spam directly. |
| 18:11.47 | sly007 | mimcpher: thanks |
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| 18:12.21 | reber | hi all. dpkg-reconfigure -a doesn't work because it claims clamav isn't correctly installed. Ideas ? |
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| 18:14.29 | inigo | someone knows howto get Net::SSH::Perl working in lenny ? |
| 18:14.52 | jelly-home | inigo: how does it not work? |
| 18:15.06 | inigo | sorry s/work/install/ |
| 18:15.10 | inigo | cpan fails |
| 18:15.22 | inigo | and there is not package for such module (i think) |
| 18:16.14 | jelly-home | mhm, I remember building it with dh-make-perl, but for sarge |
| 18:16.18 | jelly-home | maybe etch |
| 18:17.37 | inigo | jelly-home, thanks, i'll try that way |
| 18:17.56 | avrhack | its is posible to complie http://rafb.net/p/FIHohT61.html on windows? |
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| 18:18.23 | maligor | err.. what does that have to do with debian? |
| 18:18.47 | jelly-home | inigo: install apt-file and run "apt-file update" as root, to make dh-make-perl able to resolve dependencies |
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| 18:20.04 | reber | dpkg-reconfigure -a doesn't work because it claims clamav isn't correctly installed. aptitude remove clamav fails. Ideas ? |
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| 18:22.43 | xoz | reber: check the error. are you in sid? |
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| 18:22.53 | reber | xoz, stable |
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| 18:23.21 | simonrvn | apt-get -f install or aptitude install |
| 18:23.36 | simonrvn | (don't quote me on the aptitude one) |
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| 18:26.35 | elux | hey guys |
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| 18:27.49 | elux | id like to install a more recent version of erlang, however the version with etch and even the backports is quite old |
| 18:28.01 | elux | is there another option? where i can specify a package from lenny and compile via source or something? |
| 18:28.23 | adup22 | Is it neccessary to echo>>/etc/modules ath_pci after installing madwifi drivers? |
| 18:28.48 | inigo | jelly-home, looks better, but it hangs at: t/03-packet......ok 1/10 |
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| 18:29.22 | inigo | using --notest it compiles |
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| 18:32.06 | inigo | fuck |
| 18:32.21 | inigo | it depends on 4 modules that also we haven packages |
| 18:32.27 | inigo | haven't |
| 18:32.36 | blubberdiblub | !tell elux -about simple sid backport |
| 18:34.15 | reber | simonrvn, apt-get -f install --> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
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| 18:34.39 | reber | xoz, dpkg-reconfigure -a --> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: clamav-daemon is broken or not fully installed |
| 18:34.47 | simonrvn | and you did apparently. |
| 18:34.50 | wols_ | reber: there is more |
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| 18:35.23 | reber | xoz, aptitude remove clamav-daemon --> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 18:35.25 | simonrvn | so do dpkg --configure clamav-daemon. obviously there's more. you'll need to pay attention to that. |
| 18:35.39 | simonrvn | stop pasting stuff and start reading |
| 18:35.49 | reber | i am. |
| 18:35.52 | blubberdiblub | reber, dpkg --configure -a is not the same as dpkg-reconfigure -a ... |
| 18:36.04 | elux | blubberdiblub: cool thanks. so add deb-src ... only for sid sources? |
| 18:36.12 | wols_ | elux: yes |
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| 18:36.24 | reber | blubberdiblub, wow, thanks :) |
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| 18:36.39 | elux | wols_: i thought sid used to be an old testing branch? where lenny is the newer one? |
| 18:36.49 | wols_ | elux: no |
| 18:36.56 | wols_ | !tell elux about releases |
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| 18:37.09 | elux | where can i get a listing of the various deb-src mirrors? |
| 18:37.18 | wols_ | !tell elux about mirrors |
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| 18:37.36 | elux | ahh sid is always the unstable distribution. gotcha |
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| 18:39.12 | simonrvn | won't rub it in ... |
| 18:39.18 | xoz | reber: you need to know what is the actual reason why it cannot configure clamav. are you in stable or testing? |
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| 18:39.47 | reber | xoz, fixed, as blubberdiblub said. |
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| 18:40.04 | elux | wols_: so the only line in sources.list should be deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 18:40.04 | elux | ? |
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| 18:41.48 | wols_ | elux: no. you ADD that line |
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| 18:46.09 | nsx | so I'm sure you all have been asked this a lot lately, but is there any general idea of when lenny is going to become a stable release? |
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| 18:46.23 | streuner | wols_: what router do you recommend? |
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| 18:47.32 | wols_ | speedport 701V: cheap as fuck on ebay, linux, fritzbox hardware |
| 18:47.36 | wols_ | if it's a dsl router |
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| 18:48.26 | wols_ | otherwise, an openwrt compatible one with as much RAM as you can find (32MB is max usually) |
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| 18:49.01 | wols_ | !tell nsx about wwlr |
| 18:49.13 | streuner | needs a newer router, the old uses only WEP... |
| 18:49.21 | guilherme | my notebook can't sleep, what can i do to correct it?? |
| 18:49.36 | streuner | talk to it |
| 18:49.47 | streuner | free it from fears ;-) |
| 18:49.52 | wols_ | !uswsusp |
| 18:49.56 | xoz | dlink DIR 655 seems fast |
| 18:50.16 | wols_ | xoz: and has no dsl modem? |
| 18:50.26 | maligor | 802.11n's just increase cost |
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| 18:50.43 | xoz | wols_: nope |
| 18:50.48 | maligor | who knows if the draft stuff will work with release |
| 18:51.47 | streuner | guilherme: /msg dpkg suspend |
| 18:51.55 | |seb| | how use nc or other tool to pipe external facing port 80 to localhost:8080? |
| 18:52.52 | wols_ | Seb: do you have root access? |
| 18:53.03 | wols_ | |seb|: ^^ |
| 18:53.06 | xoz | dlink dir 655 has lifetime warranty. they wll replace the unit if their draft n will not conform to the final. |
| 18:53.21 | |seb| | wols_: yes |
| 18:53.31 | wols_ | then use iptables |
| 18:53.45 | |seb| | wols_: i'm actually trying to make a vncserver "appear" to be served from another server |
| 18:54.10 | |seb| | wols_: iptables are complicated...wouldn't nc be easier? |
| 18:54.22 | wols_ | no |
| 18:54.44 | wols_ | xoz: while this is OT: how much for this miracle shit from fucking dlink? |
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| 18:56.23 | |seb| | wols_: but isn't that what netcat was made for? to "cat" bits between ports? |
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| 18:57.24 | elux | wols_: is there a dpkg or apt-get command that will tell me which packages are outdated? |
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| 18:57.48 | wols_ | elux: yes. apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 18:58.17 | elux | cool thanks |
| 18:58.18 | wols_ | |seb|: nc needs to constantly run. iptables is done in kernel space |
| 18:58.33 | xoz | wols_: wols_ 95 to 110 dollars. benchmark shows it is really fast.... maybe 10 to 20x faster than others. |
| 18:58.51 | elux | wols_: how come when i run man dpkg, i cant use the up/down arrows? i have to hold enter and i cant go back up .. (sorry for the basic question.. i come from a bsd background) |
| 18:58.58 | wols_ | xoz: it's a fucking ROUTER. do you have a 100Mbit internet connection? |
| 18:59.12 | wols_ | elux: TERM settings probably |
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| 18:59.37 | elux | wols_: hrmm.. im using bash and xterm-color using OSX's Terminal.app |
| 19:00.15 | blubberdiblub | elux, your pager is probably set to more instead of less, but i don't remember how to changer it properly. i guess you do it with configuring alternatives |
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| 19:01.12 | elux | blubberdiblub: yea that makes sense. it shows --More-- on the bottom of the man page |
| 19:01.17 | wols_ | simply install less is enough usually |
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| 19:01.32 | phorce1 | elux: aptitude install less |
| 19:01.42 | elux | you guys rock. |
| 19:01.46 | elux | thanks. |
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| 19:01.56 | elux | debian is wicked. so clean |
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| 19:03.13 | xoz | wols_: 3mbps only. but torrent is fast. it can handle hundreds of connection without slowdown unlike linksys. |
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| 19:04.08 | streuner | wols_: thanks |
| 19:04.10 | pumpkin0 | i want to run XP in a vm under Debian Lenny. But i'm limited to kernel 2.6.15. What options do i have? |
| 19:04.46 | streuner | sounds like xen |
| 19:05.06 | wols_ | pumpkin0: why 2.6.15? |
| 19:05.38 | wols_ | streuner: even xen has 2.6.18 IIRC |
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| 19:05.44 | pumpkin0 | wols_: i have open bug reports against 2.6.16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 24,... so it's 15 or nothing. |
| 19:05.54 | streuner | wols_: yeah, something like that... |
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| 19:06.13 | wols_ | pumpkin0: open bugreports? |
| 19:06.24 | elux | does anyone here use AWS's EC2? |
| 19:06.35 | wols_ | elux: do you have a debian question? |
| 19:06.49 | wols_ | pumpkin0: compile whatever module you need to 2.6.15 then |
| 19:06.51 | xoz | wols_: http://reviews.cnet.com/routers/d-link-dir-655/4505-3319_7-32145084.html |
| 19:07.15 | wols_ | xoz: please stop spamming that dlink junk. thank you |
| 19:07.18 | pumpkin0 | wols_: these kernels fail to boot, lockup, consume way more power, fail to suspend,... and so on. Can xen be backported to to 2.6.15? |
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| 19:12.07 | insolit | guys I'm missing an important name. What's the name of the application, simpler than minicom, that allows me to connect to serial devices? |
| 19:12.14 | insolit | *to communicate |
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| 19:12.57 | qq | cutecom ? |
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| 19:13.31 | qq | insolit: ^^^ |
| 19:13.33 | insolit | it's not that one, but let me check how that one works |
| 19:14.38 | qq | apt-cache search serial terminal |
| 19:14.55 | qq | screen |
| 19:15.05 | insolit | :D |
| 19:15.09 | insolit | that one |
| 19:15.18 | avu | cat! |
| 19:15.26 | insolit | thanks a lot qq |
| 19:15.50 | qq | welcome |
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| 19:20.02 | SPF | WormFood: diff doesnt report anything |
| 19:20.55 | insolit | "C-a 0" does this mean control+A then 0? |
| 19:21.05 | SPF | insolit: yes |
| 19:21.09 | insolit | thanks |
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| 19:28.48 | firebird619 | I was in here yesterday with a hardware question, although this maybe isn't the right channel to ask in, however, a couple users were very helpful. The problem was my PC's power light rapidly flashes and it doesn't start. The PSU wasn't the problem. Now, after further testing, I have found that when I have the IDE cable connected to the HDD, I get the rapid flashing, but when I disconnect the IDE cable, the light doesn't flash. In eithe |
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| 19:31.53 | blubberdiblub | SPF, then there's no difference |
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| 19:32.18 | SPF | :) |
| 19:32.20 | SPF | guess not |
| 19:32.32 | pozic | Is it possible that I just upgraded my kernel and X and didn't have to configure my nvidia driver? Normally, the nvidia driver breaks at every upgrade... |
| 19:33.08 | simonrvn | s/configure/rebuild/ |
| 19:33.19 | pihhan | pozic: it seem unlikely to me, you have to build nvidia module for each new kernel. |
| 19:33.54 | pihhan | pozic: unless kernel version had not changed at that upgrade, but that would be strange upgrade |
| 19:34.12 | pozic | pihhan: uname -a says the kernel is a few days old. |
| 19:34.27 | pozic | pihhan: (the build date) |
| 19:35.06 | pozic | I thought maybe someone had the bright idea to automatically run the build the nvidia one-liner at first reboot. |
| 19:35.17 | heyuxiang | how do i know if the kernel has enabled amd powernow! |
| 19:36.10 | ceil420 | fugget, i'll need X by tomorrow, so i just gotta install it now :x |
| 19:36.14 | prolix | firebird619: have you asked in ##electronics? that channel is filled with electricity wranglers who could help you diagnose and possibly solve your problem. or they could just tell you to get a different motherboard if tracing circuit issues isn't your forte |
| 19:36.15 | pozic | s/the build// |
| 19:36.16 | ceil420 | hope debian doesn't argue about it |
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| 19:36.54 | prolix | i know it's definitely not my forte |
| 19:37.03 | heyuxiang | anybody could see me |
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| 19:37.35 | ceil420 | of course, it's just possibly that installing xfce4 also installs two dozen feckin' video card drivers |
| 19:37.38 | ceil420 | ;x |
| 19:37.39 | ceil420 | possible* |
| 19:37.52 | ceil420 | and they fight and lock up mah system :x |
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| 19:38.16 | firebird619 | prolix: No, I hadn't tried there. I can try there and see what they say. Thanks. |
| 19:38.31 | prolix | firebird619: you're welcome and good luck |
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| 19:44.14 | simonrvn | ceil420: i very much doubt xfce4 is pulling x drivers... |
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| 19:44.37 | ceil420 | simonrvn: apt-get install xfce4 and i'm getting shittons of xserver-xorg-video-* shit |
| 19:44.55 | wols_ | ceil420: in debian? since when? |
| 19:44.55 | ceil420 | (note that i didn't have X installed to begin with) |
| 19:45.00 | ceil420 | wols_: since Lenny i guess |
| 19:45.05 | ceil420 | i just know what apt-get tells me |
| 19:45.07 | simonrvn | probably incomplete install of xorg.... |
| 19:45.16 | wols_ | ceil420: no. X clients don't mean you have to get X server stuff |
| 19:45.30 | wols_ | not in debian. ubuntu will pull in X with X clients, debian doesn't |
| 19:45.35 | ceil420 | wols_: i just know that the extra stuff is getting installed along with xfce4 |
| 19:45.46 | wols_ | *sigh* |
| 19:45.48 | ceil420 | my line was sudo apt-get install xfce4, and it's a 338mb install |
| 19:45.51 | wols_ | simonrvn: why do we even bother? |
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| 19:46.11 | ceil420 | whatever, i know what apt-get tells me |
| 19:46.13 | simonrvn | wols_: i don't know. i usually stay away, sundays. |
| 19:46.26 | ceil420 | maybe the video driver shit comes along with xorg, which comes along with xfce |
| 19:46.34 | wols_ | ceil420: we also know how says it |
| 19:46.35 | webPragmatist | why do i keep getting this error with rdiff-backup... I have the same command running on another server. Fatal Error: Could not find rdiff-backup repository at / |
| 19:46.40 | simonrvn | xfce DOES NOT INSTALL xorg |
| 19:46.52 | ceil420 | simonrvn: i'm telling you it does |
| 19:46.53 | webPragmatist | it's rdiff-backup /source /dest |
| 19:46.56 | webPragmatist | right? |
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| 19:46.57 | wols_ | ceil420: just remember, we know how much you know about debian |
| 19:47.09 | ceil420 | take ten minutes to do a base install of Debian Lenny with no Desktop or Standard packages |
| 19:47.15 | ceil420 | then apt-get install xfce4 |
| 19:47.20 | ceil420 | it includes xorg |
| 19:47.30 | simonrvn | ceil420: YOU ARE WRONG. simple. |
| 19:47.37 | ceil420 | no, YOU are wrong |
| 19:47.42 | ceil420 | and if i could take a screenshot, i would |
| 19:47.52 | webPragmatist | i love you |
| 19:47.56 | simonrvn | !depends xfce4 |
| 19:48.01 | dpkg | xfce4: depends on gtk2-engines-xfce (>= 2.4.2), thunar (>= 0.8.0), xfce4-icon-theme (>= 4.4.2), xfce4-mcs-plugins (>= 4.4.2), xfce4-panel (>= 4.4.2), xfce4-session (>= 4.4.2), xfce4-utils (>= 4.4.2), xfdesktop4 (>= 4.4.2), xfwm4 (>= 4.4.2) |
| 19:48.03 | wols_ | ceil420: shows hou much you know. a screenshot wouldn't prove anything |
| 19:48.04 | webPragmatist | don't be mad get glad |
| 19:48.14 | simonrvn | nope. you're wrong. |
| 19:48.28 | webPragmatist | HAI simmer down now |
| 19:48.33 | ceil420 | wols_: a screenshot of me entering "sudo apt-get install xfce4" along with the extra shit apt-get is gonna install wouldn't prove anything? |
| 19:48.48 | simonrvn | ceil420: nope. |
| 19:48.56 | wols_ | ceil420: nope. and if you had a cle you'd know why. actually simonrvn already told you one possible reason |
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| 19:49.01 | wols_ | *clue |
| 19:49.06 | ceil420 | wols_: give me a clue |
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| 19:49.14 | ceil420 | tell me why installing xfce4 installs xorg |
| 19:49.22 | wols_ | it doesn't |
| 19:49.23 | simonrvn | dpkg> xfce4: depends on gtk2-engines-xfce (>= 2.4.2), thunar (>= 0.8.0), xfce4-icon-theme (>= 4.4.2), xfce4-mcs-plugins (>= 4.4.2), xfce4-panel (>= 4.4.2), xfce4-session (>= 4.4.2), xfce4-utils (>= 4.4.2), xfdesktop4 (>= 4.4.2), xfwm4 (>= 4.4.2) |
| 19:49.23 | dpkg | You are moron #4, simonrvn |
| 19:49.28 | themill | !win dpkg |
| 19:49.30 | simonrvn | IT DOES NOT |
| 19:49.33 | dpkg | Congratulations, dpkg! You have won the US presidency! |
| 19:49.34 | dvs | ceil420: xorg was probably already installed |
| 19:49.39 | ceil420 | dvs: no it was not |
| 19:49.59 | ceil420 | i think that's why it's coming with xfce - i didn't have anything to run xfce on |
| 19:50.04 | simonrvn | .:15:45:07:. <simonrvn> probably incomplete install of xorg.... |
| 19:50.18 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 19:50.29 | amphi | or install recommends is on? |
| 19:50.31 | wols_ | ceil420: do you know what an X client is? and how X works wrt networking? |
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| 19:50.35 | ceil420 | simonrvn: i never claimed that xorg was a dependency of Xfce, only that typing "sudo apt-get install xfce4" also included xorg and video drivers |
| 19:50.41 | ceil420 | which, if you don't have xorg already installed, it does |
| 19:50.41 | simonrvn | gotta wonder someone uses '420' in their nick |
| 19:51.12 | dvs | looks for the nickometer |
| 19:51.17 | wols_ | amphi: it does |
| 19:51.25 | midnightRmbler | hello you guys |
| 19:51.37 | midnightRmbler | i'm a friendly person |
| 19:51.45 | amphi | oh, no |
| 19:51.45 | midnightRmbler | new on earth |
| 19:51.58 | wols_ | midnightRmbler: that's what they all say. and then the go and eat our brains |
| 19:52.09 | wols_ | midnightRmbler: do you have a debian support question? |
| 19:52.29 | midnightRmbler | nope. i need brains |
| 19:52.35 | midnightRmbler | oops, i meant friends |
| 19:52.37 | midnightRmbler | friends |
| 19:52.42 | ceil420 | lol, zombie |
| 19:52.43 | xoz | ceil420: have you tried apt-get -f install only without xfce and see if it is related to your problem? |
| 19:53.01 | wols_ | midnightRmbler: you won't find them here. if you keep being offtopic we will flame you to kingdom come. now go and fuck off to #defocus |
| 19:53.04 | ceil420 | reads man apt-get to see what f is |
| 19:53.34 | midnightRmbler | wols_: ok, thanks! |
| 19:54.37 | ceil420 | negative |
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| 19:55.45 | ceil420 | xoz: apt-get -f install with no other params will try to fix all broken packages? |
| 19:57.00 | dudeman | now go and fuck off to #defocus |
| 19:57.01 | dudeman | ? |
| 19:57.19 | dudeman | what kinda stick you have up your ass man? |
| 19:57.33 | dudeman | learn to talk to poeple nicely or don't talk |
| 19:57.52 | dudeman | that was uncalled for. you can say go to #defocus instead |
| 19:58.09 | prolix | stares @ dudeman |
| 19:58.30 | midnightRmbler | personally, i think i deserved it |
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| 19:58.46 | dudeman | that is no reason for him to let go of decency. |
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| 19:59.10 | midnightRmbler | and thats not a stick he's got up his ass, it's a 14" prickly dildo |
| 19:59.19 | dudeman | thats besides the point. |
| 19:59.24 | midnightRmbler | true |
| 19:59.35 | dudeman | and stop being obnoxious in here. |
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| 20:00.25 | midnightRmbler | ok. sorry |
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| 20:01.19 | ceil421 | bah, with X running i can't get back to tty1 :x |
| 20:01.31 | dudeman | ceil421, shouldave startx & ;) |
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| 20:01.45 | ceil421 | i just did /etc/init.d/xdm start |
| 20:01.47 | dudeman | and/or pipe all output to somewhere else so you can still use tty1 |
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| 20:01.54 | dudeman | ceil421, ahh.. that'll do it |
| 20:02.01 | ceil421 | i thought that was the 'proper' way to do it :x |
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| 20:02.18 | ferret | hi, I'm trying to make a debug version of screen with otherwise the same exact settings as the usual package. In addition, I need to build it on another machine which has build tools. The two boxes are the same arch and version and everything so that isn't a problem. What is is that I was told to use debuild to do this but I've been plagued with attempted writes to the actual filesystem... |
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| 20:02.27 | ferret | Am I missing something or doing it the wrong way? |
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| 20:06.00 | astraljava | ceil421: No worries. xorg is a recommends for xfce4, and apt-get installs recommends by default in lenny. I haven't followed the whole saga, but just to clear that up if it wasn't already. |
| 20:06.07 | wols_ | ferret: why not just use dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 20:07.06 | ceil421 | astraljava: oh, thanks |
| 20:07.15 | ceil421 | i figured it was something like that, but i didn't know the particulars |
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| 20:08.00 | ferret | wols_: OK, I'll have a look for docs on using that |
| 20:08.17 | rik_ | well, i have upgraded sid and i don't have anymore my X, i have a kernel 2.6.22 compiled by me and i did have nvidia legacy, i still have nvidia in lsmode but when i run startx, it says me no screens found. |
| 20:08.32 | rik_ | i have tnt2 |
| 20:08.34 | wols_ | ferret: get the source, go into the source dir, run fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage. eh voila: shiny new .deb |
| 20:09.02 | rik_ | in lsmod nvidia is not associated to anything |
| 20:09.03 | wols_ | rik_: pastebin your Xorg.0.log or the actual error message |
| 20:09.24 | rik_ | wols_ i can't pastebin, i'm on botchx on console |
| 20:09.44 | wols_ | rik_: you are online. you can paste |
| 20:09.55 | wols_ | !pastebin pipe |
| 20:09.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin pipe is Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.phppipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
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| 20:11.15 | rik_ | wols_ don't understand what can i do sorry, however the eroor is "(EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)" (EE) No drivers available. |
| 20:11.42 | wols_ | rik_: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 20:12.14 | rik_ | wols_ yeah, there are some pkg |
| 20:12.16 | wols_ | rik_: a few packages show. which ones? |
| 20:12.33 | rik_ | wich ones what? :) |
| 20:12.38 | wols_ | which ones show |
| 20:13.15 | simonrvn | which ones show as ii or hi |
| 20:13.33 | rik_ | nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-2.6.18-4-686 nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-2.6.22 nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source nvidia-kernel-source |
| 20:14.43 | wols_ | get a recent sid kernel (imho) and reinstall the nvidia drivers |
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| 20:15.10 | rik_ | wols_ how? m-a ? |
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| 20:15.50 | wols_ | yes |
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| 20:17.58 | rik_ | what does it mean in my dmesg: nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. ?? |
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| 20:18.48 | simonrvn | it's not gpl |
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| 20:19.11 | amikrop | Hello. In gedit, I have set 4 spaces to be inserted when I press tab. But when I want to delete these 4 spaces, backspace only deletes ones of them, so I have to press it 4 times. I know that Shift+Tab dedents, but I would really want to find I way to set backspace to erase all 4 spaces at once. Any help, please? :-) |
| 20:19.25 | wols_ | it means no kernel dev will give you any support if you have problems while this module is loaded since there is no source for it |
| 20:19.41 | simonrvn | that too ;) |
| 20:22.40 | rik_ | "gcc-version-check failed:" when i run "make module" in src dir |
| 20:24.05 | rik_ | it's so hard :( |
| 20:24.58 | prolix | rik_: have you tried: sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 20:25.19 | rik_ | prolix i have these problems for that :) |
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| 20:25.33 | rik_ | is there a hd media player that support linux fs ? |
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| 20:25.58 | prolix | rik_: interesting |
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| 20:26.40 | Ergo^ | evening |
| 20:26.45 | prolix | rik_: what source are you building? |
| 20:26.49 | rik_ | prolix i knew that there are problems in sid and nvidia drivers while upgrading , but i was stupid |
| 20:26.54 | Ergo^ | dpkg - warning: while removing apache2.2-common, directory `/etc/apache2' not empty so not removed. - does this mean i can remove /etc/apache2 by hand ? |
| 20:26.55 | dpkg | You are moron #5, Ergo^ |
| 20:27.19 | Ergo^ | ... |
| 20:27.19 | rik_ | prolix nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source.tar.gz |
| 20:27.27 | rik_ | prolix i have a tnt2 |
| 20:27.55 | prolix | rik_: are you using module assistant to help build? |
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| 20:28.52 | wols_ | Ergo^: no |
| 20:29.14 | wols_ | Ergo^: make sure you have no apache2 related stuff in dpkg -l |
| 20:29.59 | Ergo^ | wols_: dpkg -l|grep apache - clean result |
| 20:30.36 | rik_ | please say me wich line in apt for contrib and non-free |
| 20:30.48 | wols_ | Ergo^: then ok |
| 20:30.49 | rik_ | prolix m-a has problems with my apt |
| 20:31.03 | wols_ | rik_: no it does not. and we do not support nvidia.com drivers |
| 20:31.15 | prolix | i can't use the bot, so unfortunately, i'm too lazy to type that out |
| 20:31.32 | Ergo^ | btw is is safe today to use both apt-get commandline interface and aptitude ? |
| 20:31.42 | wols_ | Ergo^: no |
| 20:32.22 | Ergo^ | oh, i used aptitde to remove some of dependant things :/ hope that didnt break anything |
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| 20:33.56 | Ergo^ | i always thought aptitude is just a frontend to apt-get ... why could i break something ? |
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| 20:34.05 | prolix | aptitude sources.list |
| 20:34.05 | aptitude | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 20:34.34 | prolix | i keep forgetting there are 2 |
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| 20:38.38 | stoi | anyone know of a 'mailgraph' script but written with say php? |
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| 20:42.22 | EpicPanda | Hi guys, I'm running lenny and I installed a new PCI ethernet card and need to know the steps needed to get it to work. The installer for debian works fine at detecting it, but I already have a working system. |
| 20:42.30 | EpicPanda | lspci shows this: Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6120/VT6121/VT6122 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev 11). I guess I need to figure out which kmod it is? |
| 20:42.56 | simonrvn | stick that in google plus linux and you'll find out |
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| 20:43.09 | simonrvn | i.e., "VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6120/VT6121/VT6122 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter" linux |
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| 20:45.42 | rik_ | now says me "(EE) No devices detected." |
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| 20:48.11 | EpicPanda | simonrvn: okay, I found the module.. It's via_velocity. I should just slap that in /etc/modules and reboot and ifconfig should see my new interface? |
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| 20:49.11 | simonrvn | no need to reboot. just modprobe it, and restart networking ({invoke-rc.d ,/etc/init.d/}networking restart |
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| 20:57.07 | EpicPanda | simonrvn: Do I have to manually add eth1 to /etc/network/interfaces? Because there's no trace the kernel module did anything |
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| 20:58.02 | simonrvn | dmesg | less for that "trace". and yeh you'll have to |
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| 20:58.25 | doublehp | does the PXE net installer support installing directly on NFS server ? in which mode ? |
| 20:58.30 | simonrvn | !interfaces |
| 20:58.31 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
| 20:58.55 | doublehp | can i download somewhere a preinstalled debian ? a tarball i can just untar on any file system |
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| 20:59.12 | simonrvn | !debootstrap |
| 20:59.12 | dpkg | methinks debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 20:59.34 | simonrvn | doublehp: ^^^ |
| 20:59.46 | nxmehta | what's the main difference between fdisk and parted? just trying to do some cmdline partitioning... |
| 20:59.58 | doublehp | simonrvn: i think interface was nor for me; and no, deboustrap is not what i am looking for :) |
| 21:00.05 | simonrvn | use fdisk if it's pristine |
| 21:00.17 | simonrvn | doublehp: i know what you're asking for |
| 21:00.30 | doublehp | simonrvn: i asked two things |
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| 21:02.13 | simonrvn | some dell machines come with ubuntu i think... |
| 21:02.21 | prolix | doublehp: what do you mean by any filesystem? |
| 21:02.30 | simonrvn | we don't track this here.. use a web search. |
| 21:02.42 | prolix | ufs, hfs, hfs+, lfs, ntfs, fat16, fat32? |
| 21:03.20 | prolix | ext2, ext3, the one that begins with an reis...something or other? |
| 21:03.26 | doublehp | i did not phrase it correctly |
| 21:03.49 | Asymmetry | Speaking of filesystems... What's a good filesystem for a 1.6TB storage array, both small and large files? |
| 21:04.02 | wols_ | !ext3 |
| 21:04.03 | dpkg | it has been said that ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about <ext2->ext3>, <xfs>, <ricerfs> and <filesystems>. FAQ - http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
| 21:04.06 | Asymmetry | prolix, ReiserFS. |
| 21:04.11 | prolix | Asymmetry: thank you |
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| 21:04.25 | EpicPanda | Meh, it's still not working. I modprobed both via_rhine and via_velocity, depmod -a showed no dependencies, added eth1 to interfaces, restarted networking, and nada. dmesg has nothing related to eth1 |
| 21:04.43 | simonrvn | Asymmetry: i'd use ext3, personally |
| 21:05.17 | Asymmetry | simonrvn, doesn't ext3 lose a lot of space upon initial mkfs? |
| 21:05.25 | Asymmetry | simonrvn, like, damn near a gig? |
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| 21:05.28 | simonrvn | no message from the kernel going "via velocity gigabit adaptor" or such? |
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| 21:05.44 | simonrvn | Asymmetry: you can tune things... ffs, read the man |
| 21:05.49 | asdzxc | hi |
| 21:05.54 | EpicPanda | well there's a confirmation the module loaded, it prints that |
| 21:05.54 | asdzxc | how can i find out if my SATA HDD has DMA enabled ? |
| 21:06.06 | EpicPanda | but nothing as to the effect of detected, or eth1 up, or anything |
| 21:06.10 | doublehp | does the PXE net installer support installing directly on NFS server ? in which mode ? |
| 21:06.16 | simonrvn | then it should be there |
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| 21:07.32 | EpicPanda | -sigh-, I don't want to reinstall just to put in another device |
| 21:08.15 | mat3o | hi, i am currently setting up a network install with pxe boot + preseed file. Everything fine except partman-auto/expert_recipe which does work at all. I try different custom scheme but and doesn't build any partition. Is it a known issue ? (installer is for etch) |
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| 21:10.16 | Doug52392 | Hello |
| 21:10.44 | Doug52392 | How would I reinstall CUPS? I uninstalled it and it's configuration files, but I can't reinstall the configuration files. |
| 21:11.21 | prolix | aptitude gpxe |
| 21:11.21 | aptitude | gPXE will be the new name for the next version of <etherboot>. It implements <PXE> and extends it with additional protocols/features (eg. booting from HTTP instead of TFTP). Can be used as a direct replacement for proprietary PXE ROMs. See http://www.etherboot.org/wiki/about for more information. Bootable gPXE floppy, CD-ROM and USB images can be built from the source code tree. |
| 21:11.43 | petemc | Doug52392: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 21:11.44 | EpicPanda | Oh crap, I just forgot to bring up the interface. Thanks simonrvn, it's working. |
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| 21:14.31 | pihhan | Doug52392: what configuration are you looking for? package cupsys should be all you need |
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| 21:17.53 | Doug52392 | Well I messed up cups original configuration so I deleted /etc/cups |
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| 21:18.27 | pihhan | Doug52392: if you reinstall cupsys, it should install new configuration files where they are not i think |
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| 21:19.01 | Asymmetry | Anyone have any experience with JFS? |
| 21:19.03 | amphi | !confmiss |
| 21:19.03 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 21:19.29 | pihhan | Doug52392: try apt-get reinstall cupsys cupsys-common |
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| 21:19.38 | assasukasse | is there any way to restaert v4l? |
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| 21:19.58 | assasukasse | my webcam got stuck i tried to remove the module then modprobe again but no way |
| 21:20.29 | pihhan | oh, didnt know that, everyday i learn something new even after year |
| 21:20.33 | Doug52392 | It keeps failing because /etc/cups/cupsd.conf was not found |
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| 21:21.59 | nsx | hmm.. why does apt want to install x11-common as a dependency for openssh-server? |
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| 21:23.00 | prolix | x11 forwarding? |
| 21:23.16 | Doug52392 | So how do I reinstall the configuration files again? |
| 21:23.37 | prolix | aptitude tell Doug52392 -about confmiss |
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| 21:24.08 | pihhan | Doug52392: try sudo mkdir /etc/cups && sudo touch /etc/cups/cupsd.conf, maybe it would be enough |
| 21:24.39 | Doug52392 | It installed, used dpgk --force-confmiss |
| 21:24.40 | Doug52392 | Thanks :) |
| 21:25.00 | pihhan | Doug52392: also i believe if you remove it using --purge, it should delete anything from that packages, even config files |
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| 21:26.02 | nsx | prolix, I considered that, but x11 isn't even a direct dependency of openssh-server |
| 21:26.07 | nsx | it's a dependency of one of the dependencies |
| 21:26.28 | nsx | I'm not even sure what |
| 21:26.55 | nsx | I wonder if there is a way to list "subdependencies" |
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| 21:27.34 | nsx | oh, apt-rdepends |
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| 21:28.42 | prolix | what's a subdependency? |
| 21:28.48 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:29.34 | nsx | prolix, I guess it's called "recursive dependency listing" |
| 21:29.44 | prolix | nsx: thank you kindly |
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| 21:30.47 | nsx | apt-rdepends openssh-server doesn't even show anything about x11, so I don't understand why apt wants to install it for that package |
| 21:32.12 | nsx | so I'm stumped about two things here.. why x11 is needed in the first place, and why it's being installed when it doesn't even show up as a dependency |
| 21:32.36 | prolix | better to have and not need than to need and not have? |
| 21:33.03 | prolix | it is an option in the conf file. it==x11 forwarding |
| 21:33.21 | prolix | i'm just guessing, of course |
| 21:33.29 | LightKnight | Maybe it's the "Recommend: xauyth"? |
| 21:34.05 | nsx | yes it's in the recommends, but why would apt be automatically installing what's in the "recommends" portion? |
| 21:34.16 | nsx | I don't remember it exhibiting this behavior before |
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| 21:35.12 | jonhnash | hello i want know when new version of gnome wiil be in debian sid? |
| 21:35.21 | ceil420 | yeah, lenny and X don't get along on my system ;x |
| 21:35.46 | jonhnash | where i can read this? |
| 21:36.04 | LightKnight | nsx: well, IIRC latest versions of apt default on installing recommended packages as well. |
| 21:36.05 | nsx | apparently APT::Install-Recommends is now 1 by default |
| 21:36.13 | nsx | yeah, it seems that way |
| 21:36.18 | nsx | I wonder why |
| 21:36.26 | LightKnight | nsx: sunno if its' the cause, though... |
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| 21:37.17 | nsx | LightKnight, it's precisely the cause |
| 21:37.28 | nsx | setting APT::Install-Recommends to "0" solves the issue |
| 21:37.33 | LightKnight | nsx: good :) |
| 21:37.37 | nsx | but now my question is why debian started doing that |
| 21:38.09 | nsx | I guess to try to find a better happy medium between the minimalists and the newbies who don't understand why they're not getting the functionality that they need/want |
| 21:38.37 | LightKnight | maybe because devels thought it was better to have recommended dependencies installed; moreover, users can easily revert to prevoius behaviour. |
| 21:38.59 | jonhnash | when will be in sid gnome 2.24? |
| 21:39.09 | LightKnight | FWIW, I appreciate having to install as less "useless" things as possible, either :-) |
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| 21:40.47 | PeterFA | I'm trying to compile this module and I get this load of errors: http://rafb.net/p/93EKUB69.html |
| 21:41.00 | PeterFA | I'm using Debian Lenny. In ##c they told me it was a distro specific issue. |
| 21:41.37 | jonhnash | can i install gnome 2.24 in debian sid? |
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| 21:42.22 | Zonei | Hi all. New to Debian and need some help. How can I etch-backport upgrade only a single package and its dependencies? I'd like to upgrade dovecot to 1.1. |
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| 21:42.53 | stoi | when you do dpkg-reconfigure, where do the settings get saved if there are no conf files for the program? |
| 21:43.08 | jonhnash | i want gnome 2.24 |
| 21:43.17 | stoi | Zonei: /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 21:44.00 | Zonei | stoi: what about it? |
| 21:44.06 | stoi | google about it |
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| 21:44.56 | stoi | basically in order to grab from backports whatever packages you want, you need to edit that file |
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| 21:46.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | well i have a very weird problem, when i use compiz with EXA it slows down my GUI, and if i use XAA it speeds up, but playing a video crashes the application i.e vlc / mplayer |
| 21:46.54 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | any solution |
| 21:46.54 | ceil420 | do i need to put 'Driver "vesa"' under the Section "Device" in xorg.conf to use the vesa driver, and that's it? |
| 21:47.00 | ceil420 | wow that was poorly worded... |
| 21:47.09 | Zonei | stoi: thanks, i guess. :) |
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| 21:48.01 | Zonei | stoi: and then I do apt-get -t etch-backports upgrade or.... ? |
| 21:49.05 | stoi | if its setup right you can just do apt-get install dovecot, and it will automatically know to install from backports |
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| 21:51.00 | stoi | http://dpaste.com/81109/plain/ |
| 21:51.04 | stoi | heres an example |
| 21:51.12 | stoi | for grabbing nginx from backports |
| 21:52.18 | Zonei | stoi: ok, i see, but can i do apt-get install even if the package (ableit older version) is already installed? |
| 21:53.05 | stoi | try apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, it should realize theres an upgrade in backports |
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| 21:54.56 | rgr | I am having trouble invoking visudo |
| 21:55.00 | intrados | is there a way to install debian-testing from a current linux installation? |
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| 21:55.28 | rgr | when I try visudo --alternate-editor it says "--" is an invalid otion. Any ideas? |
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| 21:55.52 | prolix | intrados: why do you want testing? |
| 21:56.04 | intrados | rolling release |
| 21:56.23 | intrados | i'm using arch now and i really like rolling release |
| 21:56.39 | smaggggy | hello folks, unfortunaltey i ran mkreiserfs on a partitiion that had lot of data. is there a way to rebuild the parition? i haven't written any new data to the the paritition |
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| 21:57.19 | smaggggy | hello folks, unfortunaltey i ran mkreiserfs on a partitiion that had lot of data. is there a way to rebuild the parition? i haven't written any new data to the the paritition |
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| 21:57.54 | jonhnash | i want install gnome 2.24 from source in debian sid |
| 21:57.58 | intrados | or how unstable is unstable. according to the arch wiki, it's about equivalent to the standard arch install |
| 21:58.15 | vadmeste | Hi.. I have a question.. Amarok v 2.0 will be included into lenny ? |
| 21:58.20 | rgr | any one familair with visudo here? |
| 21:58.40 | rgr | is the alternate-editor option not working ? |
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| 21:59.09 | intrados | rgr: i can tell you how to use vi on a basic level if that's sufficient |
| 21:59.20 | petemc | rgr: tried setting the EDITOT |
| 21:59.27 | mhymn | vadmeste: no |
| 21:59.31 | petemc | erm, EDITOR variable |
| 21:59.43 | rgr | intrados: no thanks. I want the EDITOR and alternate-editor options to work. |
| 21:59.55 | rgr | (shhhh .. I use emacs :-;) |
| 22:00.05 | prolix | intrados: well, there are a few ways: aptitude full-upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 22:00.45 | intrados | prolix: sorry. i don't have any debian installed right now |
| 22:00.47 | rgr | petemc: EDITOR is set to emacsclient. Emacs server is running. |
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| 22:00.54 | vadmeste | why emacs 's info is not included in debian etch and lenny ? |
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| 22:01.28 | rgr | vadmeste: you wont believe it if I told you .... the Debian dinosaurs have decided that its not "pure" enough. You have to manually install it I think. |
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| 22:01.53 | vadmeste | lol rgr, ok |
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| 22:02.04 | prolix | intrados: you want to install debian through a different linux distro? |
| 22:02.12 | intrados | yes |
| 22:02.24 | intrados | i don't have a cd or thumb drive around |
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| 22:02.53 | prolix | aptitude tell intrados -about gpxe |
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| 22:03.18 | rgr | vadmeste: that scuppered me recently too when I had to do a new install. You need to install this package : emacs22-common-non-dfsg |
| 22:03.23 | rgr | how ridiculous eh? |
| 22:03.28 | SiliconViper | throws travelocity at Rena. |
| 22:03.52 | petemc | rgr: you thionk the dfsg is ridiculous? |
| 22:04.27 | rgr | I think its ridiculous when and editor written by the founder of Gnus can not install with its own info files. |
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| 22:05.20 | rgr | Whereas I fully applaud the Free SW movement etc and contribute myself there has to be a line drawn somewhere to "keep it real". |
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| 22:05.43 | petemc | there has been, for debian its called the dfsg |
| 22:06.27 | MARIUS453 | I want to install Debian Lenny on an Intel 2 core duo - I downloaded the daily image (two days ago) and it does not boot - therefore I cannot install it |
| 22:06.40 | rgr | petemc: I probably do not think its a good idea we discuss this in here. If you want to explain why emacs not installing with its help files is a good idea open a private query link. |
| 22:06.49 | petemc | no thanks |
| 22:06.56 | MARIUS453 | can anyone give me some hints whether is fixed or not - I used I32 |
| 22:07.12 | rgr | I didnt thinks so. vadmeste: did that work for you? |
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| 22:07.30 | vadmeste | rgr, i am working on it now.. |
| 22:07.45 | petemc | rgr: im sure someone more interested than myself has taken the time to document the reason why |
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| 22:07.56 | vadmeste | rgr, yeah.. i installed it.. |
| 22:08.01 | vadmeste | thanks |
| 22:08.04 | rgr | Oh, so you dont know why? OK. fair enough. I thought you knew why. |
| 22:08.12 | stew | the reason is that the documentation isn't free. there a limitations on how you are allowed to modify it |
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| 22:09.24 | stew | the license says, "you can modify some of it, but some of it you are not allowed to modify" |
| 22:09.29 | rgr | Yes I know. But the question we all have to look deep and long into our souls for is this : is it not taking it a bit far to strip out info files and make it a seperate install? Surely the correct headers and disclaimers are sufficient. Even list them in synaptic as "non free" only. |
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| 22:10.09 | rgr | But I know this is highly emotional subject. vadmeste : glad to have helped. I thought I was going potty last week. First time ever I had emacs with no docs! |
| 22:10.22 | stew | rgr: no it is certainly not taking it too far. would it be too much to ask that the founder of the free software foundation make his docuemntation free? |
| 22:11.17 | stew | "Debian, the free operating system (except for the parts written by RMS, those are only partially free)" is ridiculous |
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| 22:12.18 | rgr | stew: I, to be honest, really dont care. So long as the files are documented as free and non free I see seperating them as petty to the extreme and highly inconvenient for many. See vadmeste having to come here to ask where the info files have gone as a good example. Be sure I support "Free" and am currently cutting out pretty much all "Non Free" but only where it makes sense. Zealots rarely get anywhere in my experience. |
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| 22:13.05 | rgr | stew: having said that do tell me more about Stallman. He wont make them free? I didnt realise it was his bits? Is it because he wont cede control of emacs? |
| 22:13.06 | themill | rgr: it requires someone to do the work of separating free and non-free. Are you offering to do it? |
| 22:13.23 | stew | if debian stopped trying to be free software, i and a lot of other develpers would leave for a different project |
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| 22:13.48 | ceil420 | enouf, alright, link me to something that you know is a debian install iso |
| 22:13.54 | ceil420 | preferably torrent so i can resume after i crash ;x |
| 22:14.05 | stew | rgr: yes, stallman doesn't want them to be free. he doesn't want you to be able to produce docuemtnation for emacs that doesn't contain "The GNU Manifesto", for instance |
| 22:14.29 | rgr | themill: No. Did you see me offering? I am merely commenting. It's not very "free" if one can not offer an opinion. When the split is done then by all means cut out the non free bits. Until then ... |
| 22:14.34 | stew | rgr: the free software foundation's stance on this issue is that docuemntation is not software and should not be free like software should be free |
| 22:14.45 | ceil420 | gah, we weren't talking in here |
| 22:14.54 | jelly-home | or debian could say "we acknowledge that what authors say is documentation isn't really software, and we accept gfdl is free enough for docs" |
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| 22:15.29 | rgr | I'll google it up. Interesting for sure. But as I say,, personally (and despite being a FRee'dom fighter) I think its petty to remove such a core applications help files from its install. |
| 22:15.50 | jelly-home | rgr: it's a legal issue |
| 22:16.03 | themill | rgr: for an overworked volunteer who needs to make things free, the first step is "rm -rf docs/", then work out how to make a split package. There's no point in commenting on it and expending intellectual and emotional energy on the subject unless you're willing to do something about it. |
| 22:16.07 | rgr | jelly-home: I'll read about it another time. |
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| 22:16.35 | stew | rgr: if you think that debian trying to be free software is petty, its probably the wrong distro for you |
| 22:16.47 | rgr | themill: that is a ridiculous view point. People comment on everything in life. You will also notice I was being constructive and helping at the time I was offering my opinion. |
| 22:17.05 | rgr | stew: no where did I say "trying to be free" is petty. Where on earth did you get that from? |
| 22:17.12 | rgr | lets end this chat now. Its silly. |
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| 22:17.24 | stew | rgr: you think that them removing non-free software is petty |
| 22:17.39 | stew | rgr: the reason they are doing it is to keep debian free |
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| 22:18.00 | jelly-home | stew: no, he said "help files", not "software" |
| 22:18.03 | rgr | stew: No. that is not what I think. I think removing all info for emacs but including it in abother package is petty. |
| 22:18.10 | stew | jelly-home: help files are software |
| 22:18.13 | abrotman | the help files are part of the software |
| 22:18.17 | jelly-home | stew: I beg to differ. |
| 22:18.33 | abrotman | then don't complain when your software has no docs |
| 22:18.35 | stew | jelly-home: beg all you want |
| 22:18.43 | jelly-home | my stance is, if the authors say it's docs, it's docs |
| 22:18.51 | rgr | So do I. Lets drop it. Clearly there are different levels of tolerance and here is not a good place to discuss it. Certainly I ampushing to have a "free" install but not a broken one. |
| 22:19.18 | stew | rgr: so then you think that debian doing what it needs to do to try to remain free is petty |
| 22:19.32 | stew | rgr: so aptitude remove emacs\* |
| 22:19.37 | themill | rgr: no, free software is about people offering to help others. You commenting requires us to respond else you think you've either "won" or we have no response. To do so diverts our attention from other things, as I said it takes intellectual and emotional energy. Discussing this again and again is a negative influence on free software. It doesn't help. It's annoying, just like people coming in here and asking "which is better, debian or ubuntu?" |
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| 22:19.54 | jelly-home | rgr: debian will have to revise its stance on gfdl, or on docs == software, if FSF's docs are to be included |
| 22:19.59 | rgr | themill: you have totally misread my meanings. End of subject from me. |
| 22:20.07 | stew | or the FSF has to revices its stance on free software |
| 22:20.12 | stew | revise* |
| 22:20.27 | jelly-home | stew: that's a possibility as well |
| 22:20.33 | thechef | What's the latest release estimation that news tickers announced for debian? And where do they have the estimation from? |
| 22:20.37 | thechef | for lenny |
| 22:20.39 | rgr | themill: and if the common questions annoy you then maybe you shoudl take a break. |
| 22:21.09 | rgr | But interesting and your views are taken on board. I am certainly no FSF lawyer and my knowledge on the subject is patchy. I am sure I will learn a lot. |
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| 22:22.41 | prolix | wow |
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| 22:23.06 | dante_2core | ... definately, #debian has run out of problems to solve when such lengthy discussions evolve |
| 22:23.22 | abrotman | he keeps doing that |
| 22:23.33 | dante_2core | (just wanted to say something smart too once in a while) |
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| 22:24.05 | prolix | i thought it was both appropriate and informative |
| 22:24.21 | dante_2core | #philosophy on undernet might me something for you prolix ;) |
| 22:24.48 | stoi | if a package has no conf file, where does dpkg-reconfigure/dpkg --configure store it's information? |
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| 22:25.03 | prolix | meh. no practical application for philosophy, but thank you, dante_2core |
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| 22:27.30 | stoi | nevermind :X, didn't know dpkg-reconfigure was just a perl script |
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| 22:37.00 | cafuego | stoi: the universe is just a perl script |
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| 22:40.35 | wols_ | cafuego: explains the shitty state it's in |
| 22:41.20 | rgr | how does one find which repository a certain package came from? |
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| 22:41.22 | cafuego | wols_: you thought it was quantum foam, it's actually a regex ;-) |
| 22:41.34 | cafuego | rgr: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 22:41.39 | wols_ | explains the whole uncertainty thing |
| 22:41.42 | cafuego | rgr: apt--cache show <package> |
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| 22:42.07 | petemc | !list repositories |
| 22:42.07 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete> |
| 22:42.08 | stew | rgr: you can't, you can see which it is available from now with "apt-cache policy packagename" though |
| 22:43.20 | rgr | stew : now is good enough :-; |
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| 22:43.41 | cafuego | packages tend to not change repos very often |
| 22:44.05 | petemc | wols_: whats wrong with the universe? |
| 22:44.36 | rgr | stew: last question about free/non free. And I *only* mean this in reference to docs. Would it be "non free" to prompt the user to make the choice to install the dfsg emacs info having made it clear they are installed from a non-free repo and their contents are non free? |
| 22:44.40 | wols_ | petemc: I miss that damn pony still! that's an outrage! |
| 22:44.59 | petemc | mos def |
| 22:45.10 | wols_ | rgr: it still couldn't go in main. would need to go into contrib at least |
| 22:45.23 | jelly-home | wols_: nopony y'self |
| 22:45.25 | rgr | No. I made it clear it was in non free. |
| 22:45.28 | wols_ | ie. the script itself is free but to work it depends on something non free |
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| 22:46.06 | stew | rgr: i don't understand the question. you are asking if it is non free to prompt the user to install non-free software? |
| 22:46.14 | rgr | You see in Ubuntu (for example) they just added a forced dependency to install emacs22-common-non-dfsg with emacs even thought its "non free" and a seperate package. |
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| 22:46.19 | rgr | stew: I guess so yes. |
| 22:46.29 | cafuego | but "dfsg emacs" *is* free |
| 22:46.38 | jelly-home | rgr: yeah, they don't have to care about dfsg? |
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| 22:46.58 | stew | rgr: emacs would have to be removed from debian and put into contrib instead |
| 22:47.10 | rgr | stew:why? |
| 22:47.37 | stew | rgr: becuase it would be depending on non-free software, which software in debian cannot |
| 22:47.55 | cafuego | s/in debian/in debian main/ |
| 22:47.56 | stew | (and software in debian cannot have a dependency on software not in debian, such as software in non-free) |
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| 22:48.01 | stew | cafuego: same thing |
| 22:48.27 | rgr | stew: no depending. If the non-free repos are enabled the install can detect and prompt to install the "non free" docs. Same "free" mentality but possibly more helpful for the end user. If I'm way of the mark sorry. |
| 22:48.28 | cafuego | spits some line noise at stew |
| 22:49.08 | stew | rgr: yes, it would have to be removed from debian, though |
| 22:49.09 | cafuego | rgr: No offence, but "more helpful for the end user" doesn't seem to be a consideration thta often ;-) |
| 22:49.22 | rgr | cafuego: I realise that which is why I am asking. |
| 22:49.47 | rgr | stew: even if it does not prompt if the non free repos are not enabled?? |
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| 22:49.57 | stew | rgr: yes |
| 22:50.35 | rgr | ok. I cant begin to understand that thinking at the moment but as I learn more I'm sure I will understand the reasoning a little better. Thanks for your time. |
| 22:50.47 | tvtoon | Good day, anybody knows anyway to download the entire dependency tree from Debian packaging system? |
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| 22:50.58 | cafuego | tvtoon: wget |
| 22:50.59 | stew | tvtoon: apt-get update |
| 22:51.05 | cafuego | rsync |
| 22:51.13 | rgr | unison .... |
| 22:51.18 | curtmack | Is there a way to see which packages I've installed most recently? |
| 22:51.19 | rgr | gets slapped |
| 22:51.19 | tvtoon | I mean, specifically the dependency file(s)... |
| 22:51.29 | cafuego | tvtoon: Oh, just the package lists then. |
| 22:51.30 | stew | curtmack: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 22:51.42 | stew | tvtoon: apt-get update downloads the Packages.gz files to /var/lib/apt/lists |
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| 22:51.47 | jelly-home | cafuego: [helpful] too bad about that first bit of "Our priorities are our users and free software" |
| 22:51.50 | tvtoon | Online (I don't use Debian) :() |
| 22:52.10 | cafuego | jelly-home: I think they got the order wrong <heh> |
| 22:52.10 | abrotman | tvtoon: what do you use? |
| 22:52.17 | curtmack | thanks stew |
| 22:52.41 | tvtoon | abrotman, something that I call my system... |
| 22:52.55 | wols_ | tvtoon: what OS |
| 22:53.17 | cafuego | hmmm .... season 3 it crowd ... |
| 22:53.17 | tvtoon | I want to have the dependency tree for consulting. |
| 22:53.30 | tvtoon | wols_, GNU / Linux like... |
| 22:53.39 | cafuego | tvtoon: it's not a document you can easily look stuff up in. |
| 22:53.50 | cafuego | tvtoon: You need to parse the file and 8build* a tree in software |
| 22:54.39 | cafuego | which reminds me, i think i wrote a php script to do just that |
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| 22:54.42 | tvtoon | huuum, there isn't some ready to use dependency tree for "x" Debian version? |
| 22:54.47 | abrotman | tvtoon: what is it .. is it debian or not? |
| 22:55.01 | wols_ | he said it is not already |
| 22:55.06 | abrotman | then what is it? |
| 22:55.09 | tvtoon | yeah |
| 22:55.29 | wols_ | abrotman: he won't tell. so I guess to call it even we won't tell him anything either. looks like a fair trade to me |
| 22:55.34 | amphi | it's a secret, it seems |
| 22:55.53 | wols_ | I like it. lets me excersize my lazy side |
| 22:56.06 | curtmack | < tvtoon> huuum, there isn't some ready to use dependency tree for "x" Debian version? <-- I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Debian. |
| 22:56.20 | abrotman | he said it's not debian .. so he should ask the channel for his distro |
| 22:56.59 | curtmack | oh, I see where he says that... |
| 22:57.05 | themill | tvtoon: all the dependencies are in the Packages.gz files as you've already been told. I'm not sure how else we can tell you that information. |
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| 22:57.35 | themill | tvtoon: see also http://udd.debian.net/ |
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| 22:57.49 | curtmack | There is not an easily perusable dependency tree as there is no way to make such a thing |
| 22:58.17 | rgr | Recently I set up a dhcp and dns server on my lan. Debian. I added the necessary configs for it to provide DNS to my lan machines. All lan machines report (using dig) that the server is indeed doing the DNS. At the same time I changed my main development machine to be called on debian on my "rgr" domain. Now whener I run sudo I get "sudo: unable to resolve host debian" and then sudo works as usual. I am guessing that something in domani |
| 22:58.17 | rgr | name/machine name world is clashing. Does anyone have any pointers as to what it might be? |
| 22:58.48 | tvtoon | I see now... Thanks people. |
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| 22:59.39 | wols_ | rgr: hostname perhaps? |
| 22:59.53 | curtmack | oh boy, a new kernel in the latest round of updates, I guess I have to mess with menu.lst again |
| 23:00.38 | AljosHa | I have some firewall script for debian, using IPTABLES sure, who can just explain me difference between DROP AND DENY action in firewall?because it is asking me for default action in firewall drop or deny, thats why i dont understand.if it was deny or allow i would understand |
| 23:01.05 | curtmack | for some reason Debian changes all of my boot entries to run off hda1 instead of sda1 |
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| 23:01.26 | curtmack | it's kinda annoying, having to fix it every time a new kernel bug fix is released |
| 23:02.03 | wols_ | curtmack: read you menu.lst # kopt line |
| 23:02.06 | wols_ | and don't remove the # |
| 23:02.22 | torrr | where does the gftp people hang out? |
| 23:02.38 | wols_ | AljosHa: #iptables. and a word of advice: don't write your own script |
| 23:02.47 | curtmack | ah, I see, thanks |
| 23:02.53 | curtmack | didn't even know about that... |
| 23:03.13 | rgr | wols_: hostname returns "debian" |
| 23:03.44 | wols_ | rgr: that's why |
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| 23:03.55 | rgr | LOL. I just saw that. |
| 23:04.07 | rgr | so make it debain.rgr.net I guess.- |
| 23:04.33 | rgr | how do I reduce the sudo grace period or remove it all together? |
| 23:04.37 | AljosHa | well wols_, can you suggest me some firewall?i have web server there and i want to allow only connections to some specific ports... |
| 23:05.01 | amphi | !debain |
| 23:05.01 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 23:05.05 | wols_ | no. if you don't run secure daemons you shouldn't run them in the first place |
| 23:05.13 | wols_ | or let them listen on public interfaces |
| 23:05.40 | rgr | haha |
| 23:05.43 | wols_ | e.g never let samba be reachable frm outside. so curtail on which interfaces it listens |
| 23:05.46 | AljosHa | well i think deamons are secured...but you never know |
| 23:05.50 | AljosHa | hehe |
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| 23:13.17 | torrr | the bug I had that crushed clamd on .split... |
| 23:13.19 | torrr | well, |
| 23:13.25 | torrr | it is suddenly gone |
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| 23:13.54 | Nazcafan | hello |
| 23:13.55 | torrr | I didn't do anything |
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| 23:14.08 | torrr | but there is freshclam, perhaps a sig was bad? |
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| 23:14.15 | torrr | Hi Nazcafan |
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| 23:15.16 | Nazcafan | I dist-upgraded my lenny box to iceweasel 3 and now I get a very weird layout, in some places, iceweasel shows a pot pourri of my Destkop |
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| 23:16.55 | ABC | hi all |
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| 23:17.50 | ABC | i tried installing debian through netinstall usb but when it asks me to mount the image it failed. so it failed to install. |
| 23:18.22 | torrr | Nazcafan, that sounds terrible |
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| 23:18.43 | Nazcafan | torrr: this seems to happen with my igoogle home page |
| 23:19.08 | cafuego | Nazcafan: Got any old add-ons installed? |
| 23:19.31 | Nazcafan | flashblock and delicious, but they are both upto date |
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| 23:25.30 | MasterOfDisaster | How would I make sure, that ehci-hcd gets loaded *before* uhci-hcd, the debian way? |
| 23:26.30 | cafuego | add it to /etc/mkinitrd/modules or /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 23:26.36 | cafuego | then regen your initrd |
| 23:27.30 | smacnay | anyone using xmms2? Is it a good app with low mem usage? |
| 23:28.08 | MasterOfDisaster | cafuego: ok, thanks |
| 23:28.30 | cafuego | MasterOfDisaster: Note, I'm guessing at the filename there, find the actual one :-) |
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| 23:29.40 | MasterOfDisaster | cafuego: already got that and found the real one :) |
| 23:30.49 | MasterOfDisaster | this change will be persistent for future kernel image updates? |
| 23:31.02 | wols_ | yes |
| 23:31.17 | wols_ | initrd is (re)created on kernel install time |
| 23:31.20 | MasterOfDisaster | excellent |
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| 23:31.54 | lch | hi, I've just installed exim, and I want to set it up so that I can send mail over a smtprelay only, how can I do that? |
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| 23:37.31 | Nazcafan | if you don't have any ~/.mozilla, what default start page do you get? |
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| 23:41.07 | cafuego | ... and nagios is back to solid green. |
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| 23:52.00 | rgr | whats the fsbot for querying about nvidia debian drivers? |
| 23:52.23 | rgr | s/fsbot/bot |
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| 23:52.33 | rgr | ,nvidia-glx |
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| 23:55.57 | wols_ | rgr: which debian version? |
| 23:56.18 | rgr | lenny this time |
| 23:56.35 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.55 | rgr | The wiki http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-337f90d1f5d7baf630273562556bb3feac6e98b0 seems a bit out of date. I used a big "magic" line beofre using m-a. |
| 23:57.06 | rgr | wols is dpkg the main bot here? |
| 23:57.34 | wols_ | yes |
| 23:57.51 | streuner_ | rgr: one of some other bots |
| 23:57.54 | wols_ | you need to get nvidia_graphics_drivers source package from sid and build frm that |
| 23:58.02 | wols_ | streuner_: but it is the "main" one by far |
| 23:58.20 | rgr | I got no bot response. |
| 23:58.23 | streuner_ | by far |
| 23:58.33 | streuner_ | ? |
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| 23:58.50 | rgr | so I can open a /query to dpkg anf learn there I guess. Thanks. |
| 23:58.52 | fw0rd | is there something native that allows extraction of a .tar.gz |
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| 23:59.03 | streuner_ | aptitude, nvidia_lenny |
| 23:59.03 | aptitude | The nvidia drivers aren't in lenny. You can install them by getting them from unstable. To install them anyway, try following http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and don't miss the Current issues section. You may setup a quick testing/unstable mix. |
| 23:59.40 | rgr | This is strange only a few days ago the bot had a magic line to do all that. |
| 23:59.52 | streuner_ | aptitude, tar |
| 23:59.52 | aptitude | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory", or goes with feathers |