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| 00:00.14 | fw0rd | nvm |
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| 00:00.46 | rgr | streuner_: aptitude is another bot or is that how you ask programs about their options/contents? |
| 00:01.01 | rgr | emacs, info |
| 00:01.14 | streuner_ | aptitude, what are you? |
| 00:01.14 | aptitude | I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
| 00:01.16 | amphi | !info emacs |
| 00:01.18 | dpkg | emacs: (The GNU Emacs editor (metapackage)), section editors, is optional. Version: 22.2+2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 00:01.19 | rgr | dkpg, nvidia |
| 00:01.23 | acu | I have a Intel 2 core duo - and want to install Lenny- however the CDs made for netinst does not work - the CDs do not boot (I tried with Knoppix and it boots ) can anyone helP |
| 00:01.59 | rgr | !info dpkg |
| 00:02.01 | dpkg | dpkg: (Debian package management system), section admin, is required. Version: 1.14.22 (sid), Packaged size: 2241 kB, Installed size: 7084 kB |
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| 00:02.17 | rgr | dpkg, help |
| 00:02.52 | rgr | is there a quick howto on interrogating bots in this channel? Or a "correct" not query to tell me how to query firther? |
| 00:03.02 | rgr | s/not/bot |
| 00:03.26 | prolix | rgr: you can /msg dpkg or /msg aptitude and query it/them |
| 00:03.46 | prolix | aptitude tell rgr -about help |
| 00:04.02 | rgr | prolix: and then they answer privately? |
| 00:04.10 | cafuego | yep |
| 00:04.11 | prolix | rgr: yes |
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| 00:04.49 | rgr | do you see the /msg lines I type even though it repliey privately? |
| 00:05.05 | mimcpher | N |
| 00:05.13 | prolix | no |
| 00:05.16 | mimcpher | No, /msg sends it to the bot, not the channel. |
| 00:05.17 | rgr | sure takes some time responding. |
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| 00:06.51 | rgr | nvidia one-liner |
| 00:06.56 | rgr | sorry. |
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| 00:18.29 | NeonLightning | prolix: didn't know about the msgin of aptitude one |
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| 00:21.38 | prolix | NeonLightning: the bots in this channel/community are fantastic. i didn't either until i read http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot and found out that dpkg and aptitude were almost identical twins |
| 00:22.50 | prolix | many hands make light work, or in this case, two hands |
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| 00:40.05 | DeadFishMan | good evening all! |
| 00:40.43 | torrr | how to type in unicode special codes? |
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| 00:41.20 | DeadFishMan | Is there any information out there about how to setup NetBeans + Tomcat on Debian? I'm trying to use NB 6.0.1 + Tomcat 5.5 on Lenny here but it fails to build a very simple project that works fine on the college lab (Windows, though) |
| 00:41.59 | DeadFishMan | I'm looking for a very detailed how-to as I tried several things already to no avail... :/ |
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| 00:43.59 | DeadFishMan | For reference, this is what I get when trying to run a very small JSP project that basically retrieves some data from web forms and session vars: http://pastebin.ca/1213175 |
| 00:44.17 | DeadFishMan | By the way, OS: Debian Lenny, JVM: build 1.6.0_07-b06, NetBeans 6.0.1 |
| 00:44.33 | DeadFishMan | Any help is appreciated... |
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| 00:45.23 | ereslibre | hi there |
| 00:45.53 | ereslibre | is here the hplip package maintainer ? I wonder when the 2.8.8 version will make it to unstable |
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| 00:48.26 | vater | hi every one |
| 00:48.52 | vater | I have a problem with a iwl3945 wireless card |
| 00:49.04 | vater | I cannot connect it using wpa |
| 00:49.41 | vater | is there any bug about it?, my installation is a lenny from today |
| 00:50.06 | vater | I was googling per hours |
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| 00:50.30 | cafuego | vater: Add firmware. |
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| 00:51.13 | vater | I have the firmware installed |
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| 00:51.27 | cafuego | is it loaded when the driver loads? |
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| 00:52.30 | crweb | I need to modify the initrd that debian produces when i make a new kernel package because I need to do some hardware setup routines. I cannot find where mkinitrd finds all the files that builds its rootfs with. Can someone point me to where these files are located so I can modify the fs created by the mkinitrd tools? |
| 00:52.33 | vater | cafuego: it loads as module ?? |
| 00:52.34 | doublehp | does ordinary debian kernels support NFSroot ? |
| 00:52.53 | muddd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:54.15 | vater | cafuego: I have a firmware_class that is load with iwl3945 |
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| 01:00.49 | gantrixx | does anyone know the xterm -hold equivalent for gnome-terminal? |
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| 01:12.01 | doublehp | why would /etc/init.d/nfs-user-server work and not nfs-kernel-server ? |
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| 01:13.00 | dudeman | gantrixx, irc.gnome.org #gnome pehaps? |
| 01:13.20 | dudeman | gantrixx, if your $TERM is xterm it should honor it... I'm not sure what -hold does again |
| 01:13.34 | dudeman | doublehp, you don't want userspace nfs driving |
| 01:13.39 | dudeman | doublehp, stick to kernel space |
| 01:14.06 | dudeman | its faster and more responsive under heavy system load |
| 01:14.18 | doublehp | dudeman: as i just said: *it does not work* : daemon says to start, but, according to nmap, service is not up (and clients can not connect ) |
| 01:14.52 | doublehp | thus my question ! |
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| 01:15.04 | dudeman | doublehp, is portmap running? |
| 01:15.19 | doublehp | Y |
| 01:15.30 | dudeman | doublehp, Z. |
| 01:15.34 | dudeman | good day. |
| 01:17.09 | qq | doublehp: try bts |
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| 01:20.42 | clamiax | hi |
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| 01:21.13 | unseensoul | hey |
| 01:21.16 | Benzi | hey guys, I installed the asymptote package from the unstable repository, but when I tried to embed asymptote in a latex document, it didn't work |
| 01:21.51 | Benzi | is the asymptote package supposed to configure itself for latex integration, or do I have to do extra work to configure it? |
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| 01:22.36 | doublehp | why would /etc/init.d/nfs-user-server work and not nfs-kernel-server ? |
| 01:23.11 | clamiax | does anyone have problems with hotkeys? I usually runs hotkeys -Z and i used it *only* to change the system voume but i often have to kill and restart since it don't works anymore (this mean don't change the volume and no indicator is print to the screen). I also run it from ~/.xinitrc but i always have to kill and restart it when i run startx. Does aynone have (or had) such problems? |
| 01:23.43 | abrotman | !tell doublehp about repeat |
| 01:23.43 | unseensoul | how do I manage my video driver? xserver-xorg package doesn't allow me do to it anymore... |
| 01:23.54 | abrotman | unseensoul: it's supposed to autodetect |
| 01:24.11 | WormFood | it looks like if I use badblocks with random pattern, it can test my flash memory for misreporting the wrong size (for companies that steal from you, by selling memory that reports itself as being bigger than it really is) |
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| 01:24.28 | WormFood | well, it is pseudorandom really |
| 01:25.06 | grand_grunt | Il got a ".udevdb or .udev presence implies active udev." while trying to run "MAKEDEV". What should I do? |
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| 01:27.17 | grand_grunt | I've googled it and found no solution. it happens when I try to install libsane. |
| 01:27.30 | unseensoul | abrotman: I didn't know that :S however I was asking you this because my xorg often crashes on my toshiba laptop :\ |
| 01:27.45 | abrotman | so look in the Xorg.0.log |
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| 01:32.50 | dudeman | WormFood, what?! |
| 01:32.54 | dudeman | WormFood, come again... |
| 01:33.22 | WormFood | you haven't heard about that? |
| 01:33.26 | dudeman | nope |
| 01:33.32 | dudeman | unfortunately |
| 01:33.40 | dudeman | is this true? for real? |
| 01:33.43 | WormFood | you buy a piece of flash memory, that reports itself as being one size, but is really smaller than what it reports |
| 01:33.48 | WormFood | yes, it is true, for real :( |
| 01:33.59 | dudeman | you have a source to back it up with? |
| 01:34.02 | WormFood | so you don't find out, until it is too late |
| 01:34.08 | WormFood | check the interweb |
| 01:34.14 | dudeman | for what? |
| 01:34.16 | dudeman | any keywords? |
| 01:34.30 | WormFood | I haven't personally found memory like that, but I was talking about it last night, and other people here have had it happen to them |
| 01:34.49 | WormFood | at least, I haven't found memory like that, yet |
| 01:34.51 | dudeman | it can't happen with a solid name brand like kingston or corsair |
| 01:34.57 | WormFood | heh |
| 01:35.03 | abrotman | #debian-offtopic ? |
| 01:35.06 | WormFood | what about counterfit? |
| 01:35.07 | dudeman | yeh I supposed if you cheap out and go with those small assholes then sure you have a chance of getting fucked. |
| 01:35.10 | dudeman | ok |
| 01:35.23 | grand_grunt | dudeman: Do you mean DDR memory, or flash (as in USB devices)? |
| 01:35.35 | dudeman | I mean nothing... ask WormFood |
| 01:35.40 | WormFood | anyways, last night I was looking for a linux solution for identifying memory like that |
| 01:35.41 | dudeman | He is in China! |
| 01:35.42 | dudeman | ;) |
| 01:35.43 | abrotman | i mean .. move it to #debian-offtopic |
| 01:35.52 | WormFood | grand_grunt, I said flash |
| 01:36.38 | CrazyEddy | Hmmmmmmmmmm. |
| 01:36.39 | CrazyEddy | Mad. |
| 01:36.51 | WormFood | I was looking for a debian package to test for that condition, and thought about modifying badblocks, but after looking at the source code to badblocks, it appears it will test for it without modifications.....I'm testing now |
| 01:37.27 | rgr | is it possible for a gnome-terminal to maintain its own history? e.g I jave a gnome-terminal on my second screen and which to only keep its mplayer history in that and not the stuff I do in terminal for admin etc on the main desktop. |
| 01:38.07 | WormFood | not really rgr, because that isn't a gnome-terminal thing....it is a bash thing |
| 01:38.30 | dudeman | you want two sperate terminals to have the same bash history? |
| 01:38.34 | WormFood | rgr, "grep mplayer ~/.bash_history" |
| 01:38.37 | dudeman | or what |
| 01:38.49 | dudeman | WormFood, history|grep mplayer |
| 01:38.50 | dudeman | ) |
| 01:38.51 | dudeman | :) |
| 01:38.55 | dudeman | man history |
| 01:39.41 | unseensoul | abrotman: do you see anything suspicious in these sentences according to my problem? http://rafb.net/p/bx2YuR96.html |
| 01:40.02 | WormFood | oh no dudeman, that line shows all the porn I watch ;) |
| 01:40.04 | rgr | actually just start bash with the HISTFILE parameter? |
| 01:40.11 | abrotman | that's not a full log |
| 01:40.14 | rgr | I mean change the HISTFILE env for that shell. |
| 01:40.28 | abrotman | unseensoul: that's not a full log .. roughly useless |
| 01:40.49 | unseensoul | abrotman: fair enough |
| 01:41.00 | WormFood | awesome! it looks like badblocks will test for flash memory that misreports its size, if you use "random" blocks :D |
| 01:41.08 | abrotman | ts knd f lk lvng t vwls |
| 01:41.30 | unseensoul | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/63btxb14.html :P |
| 01:41.51 | WormFood | last night someone was suggesting I use wine to run some winblows app to test for that type of memory |
| 01:42.01 | grand_grunt | o_O |
| 01:42.07 | dudeman | the fuck... |
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| 01:42.24 | dudeman | abrotman, put down the crack pipe... |
| 01:42.26 | dudeman | ;) |
| 01:43.06 | abrotman | hardly one to talk |
| 01:43.29 | WormFood | someone should update the badblocks man page to reflect that it is capable of doing that |
| 01:43.36 | dudeman | WormFood, why don't you |
| 01:43.51 | dudeman | send in a patch for the man to the people |
| 01:44.01 | abrotman | unseensoul: anything different in Xorg.1.log ? |
| 01:44.02 | WormFood | because I doubt it would be included |
| 01:44.06 | WormFood | but maybe it would, I don't know |
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| 01:44.08 | abrotman | unseensoul: at the bottom of the log i mean |
| 01:44.09 | dudeman | wooyou can try |
| 01:44.11 | WormFood | you're right, I should try |
| 01:44.12 | dudeman | you* |
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| 01:45.18 | grand_grunt | I got this bug: http://tinyurl.com/484ude, what shloud I do? install an elder version of udev? |
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| 01:45.39 | unseensoul | abrotman: there is no Xorg.1.log... only Xorg.20.log... :? |
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| 01:46.08 | abrotman | check the date .. see if it's relevant .. check the file |
| 01:46.29 | unseensoul | ok |
| 01:46.37 | ma3x | how do you extract .exe in linux? |
| 01:46.48 | doublehp | why would /etc/init.d/nfs-user-server work and not nfs-kernel-server ? => when both are installed, init script says to start *fine*, but actually does not. => to fix, remove both package, and reinstall only one. |
| 01:46.53 | WormFood | ma3x, be more specific |
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| 01:47.05 | ma3x | exe containing files (self extracting) |
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| 01:47.28 | ma3x | ok i think i found it - cabextract |
| 01:47.43 | ma3x | ugh no |
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| 01:48.02 | abrotman | ma3x: unzip |
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| 01:48.18 | ma3x | abrotman: it doesn't work |
| 01:48.27 | Kye-Pup | I just install a new program but didn't delete the old one. When I go to the command propt and type the name of the program the old one comes up. How do I unistall the old one and how do I get the new one to come up? It's a program that I had to use make etc on |
| 01:48.35 | ma3x | unzip: cannot find zipfile directory in one of 11.5.1.2_X32.exe or |
| 01:48.35 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.36 | abrotman | ma3x: then you might not be able to |
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| 01:48.46 | abrotman | wtf names something like that |
| 01:48.57 | ma3x | what? |
| 01:49.04 | ma3x | intel |
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| 01:49.24 | unseensoul | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/IdP1cJ41.html |
| 01:49.24 | abrotman | is that the full filename? |
| 01:49.30 | ma3x | yes abrotman |
| 01:49.45 | abrotman | unseensoul: that's from over a month ago .. likely not relevant |
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| 01:50.42 | grand_grunt | How can I force a "downgrade" of a package, so as to get an older version than I am using? |
| 01:50.56 | muddd | exit |
| 01:50.58 | abrotman | why would you? |
| 01:51.22 | unseensoul | abrotman: I've got Xorg.0.log.old which is roughly 25 minutes older than Xorg.0.log. Might this one be relevant? |
| 01:51.46 | abrotman | unseensoul: but does the bottom of the file look any different? |
| 01:51.54 | grand_grunt | abrotman: to get ride of a bug in udev.. http://tinyurl.com/484ude |
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| 01:52.20 | abrotman | grand_grunt: you know .. bugs.debian.org is a much better way to read those |
| 01:52.29 | unseensoul | abrotman: wow it really does... wait |
| 01:52.44 | abrotman | !tell grand_grunt about sdn |
| 01:53.25 | unseensoul | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/8vf0Q012.html |
| 01:53.37 | abrotman | denton: don't do that |
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| 01:53.57 | denton | oha |
| 01:54.04 | abrotman | unseensoul: are you running a GL app when it dies? |
| 01:54.45 | grand_grunt | Erf.. But I got exactly the same issue: MAKEDEV doesn't not run, so I can't install libsane. I see no other solution than using another udev.. |
| 01:54.53 | abrotman | unseensoul: when is the last time you did a dist-upgrade ? |
| 01:55.06 | unseensoul | abrotman: to be honest, I don't know... How do I check it? |
| 01:55.22 | unseensoul | abrotman: I weekly dist-upgrade... |
| 01:55.24 | abrotman | how do you normally do a dist-upgrade? |
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| 01:55.38 | abrotman | unseensoul: a GL app .. a 3d app like a game or something |
| 01:56.17 | abrotman | unseensoul: i used to have the same error when i ran certain GL screensavers |
| 01:56.19 | rgr | it is indeed possible to run different histories. create a launcher with "bash --init-file ~/.my_bash_init" as command and then put "export HISTFILE=~/.my_hist" in that file. |
| 01:56.21 | unseensoul | abrotman: what a dumb I am... no, I do not run 3d apps in here |
| 01:56.44 | abrotman | unseensoul: if you can isolate why .. i'd file a bug |
| 01:57.09 | cafuego | vater: Did yiou get sorted? 'firmware_class" is not the firmware for that chipset. |
| 01:57.09 | Kye-Pup | how can I get to the com port from winfile? |
| 01:57.11 | abrotman | unseensoul: make sure you do a dist-upgrade first |
| 01:57.25 | abrotman | denton: STOP |
| 01:57.32 | Kye-Pup | how do I get to the com port from wine? |
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| 01:57.42 | denton | america won't |
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| 01:58.42 | unseensoul | abrotman: I guess this problem arouse since I upgraded the kernel version some while ago :\ I read somewhere it can be a problem with toshiba laptops, but I don't know... |
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| 01:59.49 | abrotman | unseensoul: it seems to be a bug in your intel driver |
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| 02:01.22 | unseensoul | abrotman: perhaps... is it possible to manually change the video driver? |
| 02:01.34 | abrotman | to vesa .. sure |
| 02:01.49 | ceil420 | how do i lenny>sid? |
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| 02:02.17 | abrotman | ceil420: if you have to ask .. you don't |
| 02:02.30 | ceil420 | lenny's broken for me anyway, so i wanna see about sid |
| 02:02.32 | abrotman | ceil420: if you have to ask .. you don't |
| 02:02.42 | ceil420 | i heard you the first time |
| 02:02.45 | abrotman | how is lenny broken? |
| 02:02.52 | ceil420 | it keeps freezing |
| 02:02.58 | abrotman | that's vague .. |
| 02:03.16 | cua0 | what's the nvidia module name for xorg.conf? (i tried nv and nvidia, the only one i can get to work at all is vga with depth of 8 (320x240 resolution) |
| 02:03.26 | ceil420 | cursor stops moving, xchat stops scrolling, i can't alt-tab or even toggle numlock |
| 02:03.29 | cafuego | close the windows and turn the heater on |
| 02:03.32 | ceil420 | audio/video output stops |
| 02:03.34 | abrotman | cua0: depends on the video card |
| 02:03.43 | cua0 | abrotman: 8800gt |
| 02:03.50 | abrotman | ceil420: tried with another user? another WM? a different X driver? |
| 02:04.02 | abrotman | cua0: did you install the nvidia binary crap? |
| 02:04.06 | abrotman | did you try vesa? |
| 02:04.35 | rgr | WormFood: did you see that? Its cool. Now I have a special shell with its own history. Now to grep the history only for the mplayer commands. Sweet. |
| 02:04.37 | cua0 | i will try vesa now. |
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| 02:04.43 | ceil420 | i've tried with radeon and fglrx video drivers, but not another user or wm (i would try e17 if it were in the repos) |
| 02:04.54 | ceil420 | is it useradd <user> <pass>? |
| 02:05.06 | WormFood | that is nice rgr, I wasn't aware that could be done, but good information to know ;) |
| 02:05.09 | unseensoul | abrotman: how? I used to do it with 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg', but such feature isn't available since newer versions. |
| 02:05.11 | abrotman | ceil420: use adduser |
| 02:05.13 | rgr | cua0: vesa is terrible and you will get about 1% of your cards power. |
| 02:05.18 | ceil420 | mans |
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| 02:05.20 | abrotman | unseensoul: do it manually |
| 02:05.24 | abrotman | rgr: stop .. you're not helping |
| 02:05.44 | abrotman | rgr: he's trying to debug an issue .. |
| 02:05.47 | rgr | abrotman: I have been there done that. I have the proper drivers installed for a gts 8800gt |
| 02:05.49 | cua0 | rgr: yea, but i can probably change the resolution from inside of X with vesa. |
| 02:05.55 | abrotman | rgr: i don't care .. |
| 02:06.06 | ceil420 | ugh |
| 02:06.12 | ceil420 | how do i get man to use less instead of more? |
| 02:06.20 | abrotman | ceil420: install less |
| 02:06.29 | ceil420 | thought of that right as i asked :x |
| 02:06.30 | roe_ | lenny confuses and frustrates me at times |
| 02:06.32 | rgr | abrotman: I realise yo are an admin but this is a help channel. And I have a lot of time ivested in getting nvidia stuff working. |
| 02:06.34 | ceil420 | i forgot it doesn't come standard |
| 02:06.37 | unseensoul | abrotman: how do I do it? /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 02:06.42 | abrotman | rgr: and i'm helping him .. you're not |
| 02:06.46 | abrotman | unseensoul: yes |
| 02:07.04 | unseensoul | abrotman: ok, thanks for your help ;) |
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| 02:07.13 | rgr | abrotman: you seem to have an issue. Fine. You deal with it. But please dont pretened vesa is a equal alternative to the nvidia binaries. It is not. |
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| 02:07.35 | abrotman | rgr: no shit .. i never said it was .. concentrate on your own issues .. you've got a ton of them |
| 02:07.53 | rgr | You are on the ignore list. Your attitude is not good. |
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| 02:08.01 | abrotman | unseensoul: you want a Section "Device" |
| 02:08.24 | rgr | WormFood: yeah its quite cool. Now I have that special bash for the second screen :-) |
| 02:08.25 | ceil420 | tries a different user |
| 02:08.29 | ceil420 | cheers abrotman |
| 02:08.58 | unseensoul | abrotman: I do just need to add do it... Driver "vesa" ...right? |
| 02:09.13 | abrotman | at least .. |
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| 02:09.42 | abrotman | mine has five lines .. though i can't recall why one of them is there .. but probably something when i was mucking with compiz |
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| 02:10.03 | ceil420 | now to see how long it takes to freeze up :x |
| 02:10.06 | unseensoul | abrotman: that's ok and thanks :) |
| 02:10.27 | ceil420 | in the meantime, i wonder if openbox or something is in the repos... |
| 02:10.30 | ceil420 | apt-caches for a bit |
| 02:10.49 | abrotman | yes .. openbox is |
| 02:11.17 | ceil420 | i didn't even look; xdm lets you change DE/wm, right? :x |
| 02:11.30 | ceil420 | i just remember seeing name/password bits |
| 02:12.11 | k8to | hmm, i haven't seen any package updates to testing for many days -- is this expected? |
| 02:12.21 | abrotman | k8to: it's in freeze .. that happens |
| 02:12.30 | abrotman | k8to: alternately .. try another mirror |
| 02:12.41 | k8to | yes, i did that before asking |
| 02:12.54 | k8to | i've been through freezes before, this is unusual, i just wondered if something was up |
| 02:13.04 | abrotman | it's quite possible .. since thursday .. other than the latex stuff .. i've had very vew updates |
| 02:13.13 | abrotman | erm .. since wednesday i guess |
| 02:13.15 | k8to | thanks! |
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| 02:16.57 | grand_grunt | For those who could get the same issue than mine, just add this line "WRITE_ON_UDEV=1" to /dev/MAKEDEV, and you'll get ride of ".udevdb or .udev presence implies active udev." error. |
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| 02:28.20 | fbc | Anyone have any ideas on what to do with an idle server? |
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| 02:31.58 | Tramp | fbc: yes. switch it off to save energy. |
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| 02:35.46 | fbc | Tramp, I can't really turn it off, it's feeding one website, that it practically idle all the time.. So I can't turn it off, I was wondering how I could put it to good use while the site hasn't taken off. |
| 02:36.00 | abrotman | serve more sites? |
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| 02:37.05 | fbc | Yeah, but that involves in selling/marketing, and providing tech support. I just wanted to put it to do something fun and interesting.. |
| 02:37.29 | fbc | Debian mirror? Ubuntu Mirror? |
| 02:37.39 | abrotman | that's a lot of disk space and a lot of bandwidth |
| 02:37.44 | enouf | grand_grunt: ~$ ll /dev/MAKEDEV |
| 02:37.44 | enouf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2008-09-27 16:05 /dev/MAKEDEV -> /sbin/MAKEDEV |
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| 02:39.14 | elux | hey guys |
| 02:39.15 | enouf | hrm .. it's a shell script, lmao, thought it was a binary - but i see this there if [ "$WRITE_ON_UDEV" ]; then |
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| 02:39.38 | elux | i started up a debian 4 image, how can i check what filesystem i am using? i checked dmesg and i noticed it was mounted using ext3, but i just want to be certain |
| 02:39.43 | elux | df -h doesnt say |
| 02:41.47 | xoz_ | elux: mount |
| 02:42.07 | elux | great. thank you |
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| 02:42.26 | roe_ | is there an option for dpkg to check for unmet dependencies? |
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| 02:44.53 | abrotman | roe_: there shouldn't be any unless you forced it |
| 02:45.29 | roe_ | if I do dpkg -k package.deb and I don't have all of the dependencies installed it will fail |
| 02:45.33 | roe_ | er dpkg -i |
| 02:46.02 | abrotman | roe_: aptitude -f install |
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| 02:47.19 | elux | hey guys |
| 02:47.20 | roe_ | abrotman, not installing from any repo |
| 02:47.28 | abrotman | that should solve the deps |
| 02:47.48 | elux | im using debian etch but id like to install a package that isnt in the backports but is in lenny |
| 02:48.03 | elux | what ive done is added deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free to my sources.list |
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| 02:51.22 | unseensoul | abrotman: I've added manually a different driver but it still loads up the default one. arghhh |
| 02:51.30 | unseensoul | solutions? :P |
| 02:52.00 | grand_grunt | fbc: Run a Gnunet or another P2P daemon? |
| 02:52.03 | abrotman | unseensoul: paste your xorg.conf |
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| 02:52.35 | satanas | hi |
| 02:53.22 | satanas | i've installed debian lenny amd64 |
| 02:53.43 | satanas | and my PC seems to be slower than with lenny for 32bits :S |
| 02:53.48 | satanas | y mean, it lags |
| 02:54.00 | satanas | any suggestion? |
| 02:54.23 | satanas | i installed the flash player 9 plugin using nspluginwrapper |
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| 02:56.07 | abrotman | unseensoul: ? |
| 02:56.07 | unseensoul | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/sOm0lp39.html ; i915 driver is used instead of the i810 one |
| 02:56.18 | unseensoul | :) |
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| 02:57.16 | abrotman | unseensoul: uh .. that's the same driver now .. all 'intel' |
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| 02:58.57 | unseensoul | abrotman: weird... I had no problems while using the i810 driver :S |
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| 02:59.30 | abrotman | unseensoul: try using vesa .. |
| 02:59.40 | abrotman | waves .. and goes to bed |
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| 03:00.32 | grand_grunt | satanas: Does your PC lag without a flash app playing? |
| 03:01.14 | rgr` | satanas: often 64 bit apps are slower and use considerably more memory too. |
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| 03:03.44 | fbc | grand_grunt, I checked out the website, and there is no specific documentation on how to setup a gnunet server. Just the client. |
| 03:04.34 | rgr` | Is there any app which can package up a current install and make it installable from DVD? |
| 03:04.46 | fbc | grand_grunt, maybe setting up an IRC server might be cool. |
| 03:05.21 | fbc | grand_grunt, I could harbor pirate groups, perverts, and what not. |
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| 03:06.12 | rgr` | fbc: set up a getmail/procmail set up and dovecot for an IMAP server, add BIND and DHCP. And you have a wonderful hub for your Lan. |
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| 03:06.45 | rgr` | throw in proftpd and voila .... possibly export some dirs via sshs to connect too from the outside world. |
| 03:06.56 | rgr` | s/sshs/sshfs |
| 03:07.28 | fbc | rgr`, hmm.. |
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| 03:08.39 | rgr` | fbc: I just did all this. Works like a treat. Only issues were video ones but I resisted the vesa downgrade, and got nvidia-glx working so dual screens and hw acceleration works on it too. In addition, turn on x forwarding in ssh and if you want you can run gui admin tasks on a remote client after ssh'ing into your server. Nice. |
| 03:09.00 | satanas | grand_grunt: mainly with iceweasel opened |
| 03:09.55 | satanas | rgr: ummm i've just 1GB of ram, and 256 are used for video memory, do you think that could be the reason for the lag? |
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| 03:10.05 | rgr` | define lag in this case. |
| 03:10.09 | satanas | rgr: system monitor says that i've almost 50% of ram available |
| 03:10.16 | rgr` | so its not ram. |
| 03:10.45 | rgr` | Linux uses much less than Windows. Did you look at "top" in a terminal to see whats taking the CPU? |
| 03:10.46 | satanas | yeah, that's what i thoguht |
| 03:10.58 | rgr` | or is it network lag too? |
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| 03:11.36 | satanas | rgr: yeap... nothing weird; audacious and iceweasel on top |
| 03:11.50 | rgr` | but define lag please. |
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| 03:12.09 | satanas | rgr: nop, it's just a visual lag |
| 03:12.09 | Sleck | hey guys |
| 03:12.17 | satanas | rgr: i mean, windows just freeze |
| 03:12.27 | Sleck | I have a simple question |
| 03:12.28 | satanas | rgr: for an instant and they back |
| 03:12.29 | rgr` | and whats in your xorg.conf? which drivers? Did abrotman have you put vesa in there? |
| 03:12.42 | Sleck | I have an Atmel wireless usb adapter, that I've only known to work with Ubuntu. |
| 03:13.01 | Sleck | Well, the only other distro I've tried it with was slackware, and the kernel couldnt identify it there. |
| 03:13.05 | satanas | rgr: i've official (closed) nvidia drivers |
| 03:13.12 | Sleck | On ubuntu it worked out the box |
| 03:13.29 | rgr` | satanas: sorry, but I missed the HW spec. Was it you with the 8800gt? |
| 03:13.32 | Sleck | So my question is, will I be able to use it from the netinst? |
| 03:13.39 | Sleck | or do I need to get the dvd? |
| 03:13.53 | satanas | rgr: geforce 7200 |
| 03:14.03 | satanas | rgr: integrated on mb |
| 03:16.33 | rgr` | satanas: is this a laptop? |
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| 03:16.34 | satanas | rgr: nope, desktop. cpu amd dual core 4200 64 bits |
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| 03:17.38 | rgr` | I would advise you to work out what its not. Borrow an external card and disable the onbaord and see what happens then. Cards are as cheap as chips these days and if you're not dual booting to Windows to play top games you wont need that expensive a card anyway. |
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| 03:18.48 | Chewy | anyone have a mirror for libevent? |
| 03:18.52 | Sleck | Can anyone help? |
| 03:19.35 | avrhack | about? |
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| 03:20.35 | Sleck | I have an Atmel wireless usb adapter, that I've only known to work with Ubuntu. Well, the only other distro I've tried it with was slackware, and the kernel couldnt identify it there. On ubuntu it worked out the box, So my question is, will I be able to use it from the netinst or do I need the DVDs? |
| 03:20.39 | Sleck | avrhack ^ |
| 03:21.10 | grand_grunt | Sleck: My humble opinion is that Etch netinstall won't succed in driving your USB wifi. Why don't you try to be sure? |
| 03:21.54 | Sleck | Does ubuntu use a different kernel that debian's? |
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| 03:22.25 | Chewy | anyone have a mirror for libevent? |
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| 03:23.27 | avrhack | monkey.org/~provos/libevent |
| 03:23.48 | xoz_ | Sleck: debian has it's own linux package/patch which may differ from ubuntu. but you can try and see what happens. |
| 03:24.53 | satanas | rgr: i no use windows indeed xD |
| 03:24.56 | satanas | rgr: just linux |
| 03:25.21 | satanas | rgr: i'm gonna try with vesa driver, or even with nv driver |
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| 03:25.42 | grand_grunt | Sleck: Ubuntu is Debian based and uses the same kernels, but the latest Ubuntu uses a most recent kernel than Etch. do a "uname -a" with your ubuntu. |
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| 03:25.59 | rgr` | try an PCI expressor agp card then. BDo you not want dual head? two monitors or opengl acceleration? |
| 03:26.15 | Gargantu | is Sleck |
| 03:26.35 | Gargantu | So if it doesn't work out, what do you guys suggest doing then? |
| 03:26.35 | rgr` | satanas: best of luck. Personally I never go near any onboard devices :-; |
| 03:26.38 | Gargantu | dvds? |
| 03:26.42 | satanas | rgr: i want opengl :p |
| 03:26.53 | satanas | rgr: thanks dude |
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| 03:28.02 | rgr` | satanas: how did you install the nvidia driver? |
| 03:28.13 | Chewy | avrhack: its down |
| 03:28.22 | satanas | rgr: with the official .bin script |
| 03:28.38 | rgr` | what official bin script? |
| 03:29.02 | satanas | rgr: sorry .run :p |
| 03:29.05 | satanas | rgr: NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-177.67-pkg2.run |
| 03:29.12 | rgr` | ouch. |
| 03:29.14 | grand_grunt | Gargantu: netinstall using wired network, then trying to install the driver for your USB wifi? |
| 03:29.22 | satanas | rgr: :( ouch? |
| 03:29.27 | rgr` | Dont tell the debian maintainers or they wont help you. |
| 03:29.54 | satanas | rgr: oh oh... what i did wrong? :( |
| 03:30.08 | rgr` | nothing you could have known about. |
| 03:30.26 | grand_grunt | They will answer "ark to Nvidia mainteners, we don't know what is in this driver" |
| 03:30.28 | rgr` | satanas: nvidia-glx is the "debian way". its a nighmare to tell you the truth. |
| 03:30.39 | grand_grunt | s/ark/ask |
| 03:30.56 | rgr` | and some people here get very snotty about it. As you might have witnessed earlier. |
| 03:31.08 | satanas | hehehe |
| 03:31.24 | satanas | rgr: so should i uninstall the .run driver |
| 03:31.37 | satanas | and install it with nvidia-glx? |
| 03:31.49 | rgr` | your choice. I would say do some reading first. what debian version? |
| 03:32.00 | satanas | lenny |
| 03:32.03 | satanas | beta 2 |
| 03:32.36 | rgr` | me too. I use the nvidia-glx and it was a bit confusing. But I got it done. I dont know if you still have to pin in versions from unstable or not. |
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| 03:32.54 | rgr` | dpkg: nvidia one-liner |
| 03:32.54 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 03:33.00 | rgr` | see? |
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| 03:33.05 | Gargantu | debian-40r4a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:33.10 | Gargantu | That the newest stable release? |
| 03:33.21 | rgr` | brb |
| 03:33.31 | satanas | rgr: wow... it looks creepy xD |
| 03:33.36 | satanas | hehe ok |
| 03:33.45 | rgr` | satanas: brb |
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| 03:34.28 | grand_grunt | Gargantu: Yes, it's the newest stable (for i386) |
| 03:34.35 | rgr` | satanas: you still there? |
| 03:34.37 | Gargantu | thanks |
| 03:34.39 | wols_ | satanas: ignore rgr`. he's not exactly clueful |
| 03:34.40 | satanas | rgr: yeap |
| 03:34.45 | rgr` | google up the wiki for a start. |
| 03:35.11 | rgr` | wols_: that is very unfair. I am relating my personal experience in getting a very stable powerful debian lenny system working. |
| 03:35.32 | wols_ | doesn't mean you have a clue |
| 03:35.40 | rgr` | sigh. |
| 03:35.58 | wols_ | satanas: there is no pinning needed |
| 03:36.17 | rgr` | wols_: I said i did not KNOW if it was still needed. It was needed a while back. |
| 03:36.31 | wols_ | never ever was |
| 03:36.40 | Chewy | anyone have a mirror for libevent? |
| 03:36.41 | Chewy | :/ |
| 03:36.53 | rgr` | well I was told here it was. But I am not afraid to be corrected. |
| 03:36.56 | wols_ | Chewy: packages.debian.org |
| 03:37.08 | rgr` | I had to pull in unstable stuff a while back. |
| 03:37.31 | wols_ | rgr`: that's not pinning. and the ONLY thing from unstable you'd want is the sources for the nvidia packages |
| 03:38.27 | rgr` | I had to pull in some x components too at the time. Cant recall which. But as I said to the guy - chekc the nvidia-glx one liner and the wiki. |
| 03:38.49 | satanas | yeap, i'm reading the wiki |
| 03:39.15 | rgr` | satanas: thanks. I'm not someoe who would rush you into doing the wrong thing as I hope you realise before wols came strutting in. |
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| 03:40.27 | rgr` | satanas: anyway best of luck. off to bed now, but bottom line is that the nvidia installer is not recommended and will get some nasty responses from certain members of this group. |
| 03:40.57 | wols_ | we will simply not support it. #nvidia will |
| 03:41.51 | satanas | rgr: ok, i got it! |
| 03:41.57 | rgr` | wols_: actually you are correct about that. And I know from experience it does not do to mix. The kernel uprgade a while back hosed some systems that had used the nvidia installer for a start. nvidia-glx was a bit of a pain but just running the one line after a kernel upgrade isnt't too painful and works. |
| 03:42.01 | satanas | rgr: i'm gonna do it at the debian way :D |
| 03:42.49 | satanas | thanks for your help |
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| 03:44.07 | elux | so im building erlang-nox using apt-get -b source erlang-nox |
| 03:44.34 | elux | and its taking bloody forever. like 30 minutes now on a 2ghz xeon .. this doesnt make sense, ive compiled it on leopard on a similar system in about 5 minutes |
| 03:44.55 | wols_ | you see where it "hangs"? |
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| 03:44.58 | rgr` | satanas: you might want to read this too. Wols might too. http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/110500-mixing-unstable-testing-just-nvidia-good-practices.html |
| 03:45.13 | elux | wols_: well its processing something. but perhaps in circles |
| 03:45.17 | rgr` | have fun! |
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| 03:45.36 | satanas | rgr: thanks :p |
| 03:46.01 | wols_ | elux: do you think we are psychic? |
| 03:46.10 | wols_ | telereading of your screen? |
| 03:46.51 | elux | gotcha |
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| 03:48.53 | elux | wols_: maybe ill just install from a prepackaged deb file |
| 03:49.16 | wols_ | elux: why do you compile in the first place? |
| 03:49.30 | satanas | rgr: thanks for your help, i gtg... sleep time, you know :p |
| 03:49.34 | elux | wols_: perhaps by compiling ill get some free optimizations specific to my system configuration |
| 03:49.49 | wols_ | elux: you are mistaken |
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| 03:50.07 | satanas | rgr: gonna undo all the nasty things with the nvidia installer and do it at the debian way |
| 03:50.21 | satanas | rgr: cya |
| 03:50.22 | keta | elux: compiling with the same compile flags untouched in the deb source of the deb binary? |
| 03:50.32 | elux | gotcha |
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| 03:51.03 | keta | elux: you won't get any optimization, you'll get only blue balls |
| 03:51.13 | keta | big blue balls. |
| 03:51.14 | elux | fair enough. binary it is |
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| 03:53.25 | sirderigo | ping dpkg |
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| 03:53.53 | sirderigo | hi, someone can say me where i can get the dpkg source code? i want to create a bot based on it |
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| 03:55.36 | Tramp | !tell sirderigo about infobot |
| 03:56.32 | sirderigo | i know infobot but my programation skill are really simple |
| 03:56.42 | Tramp | wow. there is a loop in the infobot/blootbot factoids |
| 03:57.06 | wols_ | sirderigo: dpkg is a heavily modified blootbot |
| 03:57.10 | wols_ | dpkg: what are you? |
| 03:57.10 | dpkg | I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
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| 04:00.21 | sirderigo | ,,, |
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| 04:00.26 | sirderigo | i cant get it? |
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| 04:03.51 | mimcpher | sirderigo, google for supybot. Its easy to make plugins for it if you have some programming skill. |
| 04:04.41 | mimcpher | Oh, apparently dpkg isn't a supybot. But whatever. |
| 04:04.58 | DaRtHo | dpkg, is a bastard who knows more than me :( |
| 04:04.59 | dpkg | wish i knew, DaRtHo |
| 04:05.10 | DaRtHo | dpkg, u do |
| 04:05.10 | dpkg | wonders why it should do $1 |
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| 04:14.02 | cafuego | woo, courier devlivered new drive cage |
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| 04:16.57 | taiten987 | does anyone have idea to make a driver disk for debian40 |
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| 04:26.02 | andreyv | how can i change aptitude log location from /var/log/aptitude to another one? |
| 04:27.33 | wols_ | taiten987: not needed. all drivers are in the kernel. firmware might be good thing tho |
| 04:27.56 | wols_ | andreyv: /etc/logrotate.d/ |
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| 04:29.09 | taiten987 | But I have a latest RAID HBA card that kernel not include such driver |
| 04:29.30 | taiten987 | but I have the source code of driver |
| 04:30.20 | andreyv | <wols_> ermm... but there's log rotation configuration, not aptitude's configs |
| 04:30.21 | taiten987 | I want to make a driver disk for installation process |
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| 04:31.39 | wols_ | taiten987: you need a custom kernel install cd |
| 04:31.58 | wols_ | otherwise: put the compiled driver on a usb stick or cd and modprobe it. nothing more you can do |
| 04:32.24 | wols_ | there is no such thing as "press F6 for custom drivers". just doesn't exist. you can switch to 2nd console and modprobe anything you want tho |
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| 04:33.00 | wols_ | andreyv: have you looked inside the aptitude file there? who do you think does the logging? hint: it's not aptitude itself |
| 04:33.22 | taiten987 | okay, thx |
| 04:34.02 | wols_ | taiten987: you could check for a aptitude config file, but that's it |
| 04:34.12 | taiten987 | but it is not so friendly for ordinary users |
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| 04:34.42 | rvalles | you could try installing a newer distro |
| 04:34.47 | rvalles | testing instead of stable |
| 04:35.04 | rvalles | newer kernel for sure, might have support for your raid thing |
| 04:35.08 | andreyv | <wols_> you think it does logrotate.d??? all the time i thought it does sysklogd or syslog-ng in my situation, however radius program perfoms logging itself |
| 04:35.19 | miniteman | Im trying to commpile an sdl project but when I try cc -lSDLmain -lSDL project.c I get an error stating SDL/SDL.h no such file or directory |
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| 04:35.56 | wols_ | miniteman: then maybe you hsoul isntall that header? |
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| 04:36.05 | taiten987 | currently I worte a script to modified initrd to solve this problem |
| 04:36.18 | wols_ | taiten987: which problem? |
| 04:36.42 | taiten987 | I can change another console for installation |
| 04:37.00 | miniteman | wols: I apt-get installed libsdl1.2debian not sure what you mean about installing the header? |
| 04:37.05 | wols_ | taiten987: if you want to make it easy for users, ship a custom kernel |
| 04:37.17 | wols_ | miniteman: the SDL -dev package |
| 04:37.23 | wols_ | !tell miniteman about search |
| 04:37.41 | taiten987 | hmm |
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| 04:37.48 | wols_ | !custom cd |
| 04:37.48 | dpkg | custom cd is, like, So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian | #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net http://lists.debian.org/debian-custom/ |
| 04:37.50 | miniteman | thanks |
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| 04:39.35 | |seb| | if you have X process on multiple displays like :0 and :1, how do you switch between them? |
| 04:39.59 | Tramp | andreyv: man aptitude, search for Aptitude::Log |
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| 04:42.20 | taiten987 | wols: anyway, thank for your suggestion. |
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| 04:49.21 | mithro | where is the correct place to ask packaging questions? |
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| 04:53.22 | miniteman | thanks for the help .. appreciated |
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| 04:55.55 | mns | I |
| 04:56.43 | mns | i've got a laptop. Debian/testing running on it. I've been using wireless for most of the weekend. I plugged in my ethernet cable into the ethernet port, but I can't get it to come up. How do I do this without rebooting the system ? |
| 04:57.30 | Sleck | Is it safe to plug in an IDE cdrom whilst the computer is wroking? |
| 04:57.46 | Sleck | (irrelivent of the operating system :P) |
| 04:57.53 | mns | Sleck: no. |
| 04:57.55 | enouf | no |
| 04:58.13 | enouf | (generally speaking) |
| 04:58.23 | zinx | (also not irrelevant to operating system / hardware) |
| 04:58.28 | Sleck | What's the worsthat can happen? |
| 04:58.36 | purserj | you short out the whole machine? |
| 04:58.40 | enouf | magic smoke escapes |
| 04:58.47 | zinx | Sleck: the whole machine could fail. |
| 04:58.48 | Sleck | Besides a blackhole. |
| 04:58.53 | gbp_ | lol |
| 04:58.55 | Sleck | oh ok :P |
| 04:58.56 | zinx | Sleck: (seriously.) |
| 04:58.58 | mns | Sleck: you blow up your CPU ? |
| 04:59.00 | Sleck | Well, in that case, brb. |
| 04:59.17 | enouf | pull out the ATX cord |
| 04:59.30 | gbp_ | funny kid |
| 05:01.36 | mns | My /etc/network/interfaces defines "allow-hotplug eth0" "iface eth0 inet dhcp". Yet if I plug in the ethernet cable, nothing happens. |
| 05:03.24 | enouf | hrm, it would seem "allow-hotplug eth0" and "auto eth0" would conflict, eh? |
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| 05:16.17 | mns | grrrrrrr damned vonage router !!! |
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| 05:17.30 | Gargantua | soooooo |
| 05:17.39 | Gargantua | anyone know where I can buy motherboards for cheap? |
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| 05:18.27 | zinx | Gargantua: ##hardware knows |
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| 05:19.12 | Gargantua | I kid :P |
| 05:19.54 | zinx | Gargantua: #debian-offtopic cares |
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| 05:26.30 | Gargantua | Load Installer compnents from CD: |
| 05:26.34 | Gargantua | There was a problem reading data from the CDROM... |
| 05:26.46 | Gargantua | I just downloaded the iso and burnt it on the lowest speed :s |
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| 05:52.30 | visof | hi |
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| 05:52.57 | visof | how can i find the package that has this font "xos4-terminus-medium" ? |
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| 05:53.41 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 05:54.01 | Gargantu | hey |
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| 05:54.33 | Fox_1_ | people I can't find my network device file in /dev/ folder. ifconfig showes etho, but I haven't /dev/eth0 (using debian etch) |
| 05:54.53 | Fox_1_ | kernel: 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP |
| 05:56.32 | mhymn | visof: dpkg -S |
| 05:57.00 | mhymn | Gargantu: MD5? |
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| 05:58.09 | mhymn | Fox_1_: so whats the problem? |
| 05:58.37 | Fox_1_ | I need device file :)\ |
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| 06:00.04 | mhymn | Fox_1_: if ifconfig shows it and if everything workds fine nothing else matters |
| 06:00.12 | Fox_1_ | here is what find / -name eth0 write: |
| 06:00.12 | Fox_1_ | /proc/irq/169/eth0 |
| 06:00.12 | Fox_1_ | /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth0 |
| 06:00.12 | Fox_1_ | /proc/sys/net/ipv6/neigh/eth0 |
| 06:00.12 | Fox_1_ | /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0 |
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| 06:01.08 | Fox_1_ | I know, and it works fine, but I need dev file, for my application. |
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| 06:05.33 | Fox_1_ | auuu people ?? |
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| 06:05.50 | mhymn | Fox_1_: all i could find is what bot says: |
| 06:05.53 | mhymn | !/dev/ethx |
| 06:05.53 | dpkg | ethX will never appear in /dev, you don't need it |
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| 06:07.02 | Fox_1_ | :( but I need it :) |
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| 06:08.50 | geek | could someone take a look at this crontab command and tell me if its right? i'd like to start a script (./unreal start) whenever a computer is turned on. to set it that way would crontab -e -->@reboot /home/lupinenetirc/ircd/./unreal start be correct? |
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| 06:11.10 | nkuttler | geek: looks allright |
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| 06:22.56 | mhymn | !tell FelipeFerrei`afk about away |
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| 06:36.26 | andreyv | i installed apache2 and nagios usin apt-get, but when i try to visit http://host/nagios/ i receive 404 error - after installation i should do something to make it work? |
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| 06:39.03 | Internat | andreyv: try http://host/nagios2 |
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| 06:39.45 | andreyv | i have nagios3 version, but will try |
| 06:40.09 | andreyv | ***k it... |
| 06:40.21 | andreyv | thanks i wanted to say ))) |
| 06:40.27 | Internat | :) |
| 06:40.37 | Internat | nagios3 is arround eh? |
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| 06:47.05 | tenzind | any application to convert pictures into ascii art? |
| 06:47.17 | andreyv | <Internat> yeah, /nagios3 is Ok |
| 06:47.41 | Internat | may have to look into it.. im using the older version as my main monitoring thing.. |
| 06:47.49 | geek | tenzind: theres a few web based ones |
| 06:47.49 | Internat | but, if 3 is out.. i may take agander |
| 06:48.10 | Internat | i just wish there was a decent interface for adding/creating services/hosts/monitoringgroups rather then txt file |
| 06:48.51 | tenzind | geek: hmm . no standalone applications, preferably as a Debian package ?? :) |
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| 06:50.22 | clamiax | hi |
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| 06:52.25 | Internat | that being said, i did find an awesome wrapper for nagios a while ago that took care of all of that.. but buggers me what it was or where i left it |
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| 06:54.32 | Internat | ah centreon it was.. |
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| 06:59.21 | geek | Is there an app that lets me monitor how much bandwith goes is used on a per application basis? |
| 06:59.43 | geek | something like vnstat but i want to be able to see how much bandwith (say) my IRC server uses |
| 07:02.46 | tarzeau | is there any fontforge guru here? |
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| 07:03.01 | tarzeau | geek: iptraf can show it per port and protocol |
| 07:04.09 | geek | tarzeau: is it a CLI app? |
| 07:04.39 | tarzeau | geek: no, it needs X11 |
| 07:04.50 | tarzeau | geek: it's a vector font editor |
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| 07:05.06 | tarzeau | geek: ah iptraf, yes |
| 07:05.07 | stranger_ | greetings |
| 07:05.26 | geek | tarzeau: lol yeah. i'm SSHing to my server, which is CLI only ;p |
| 07:05.37 | stranger_ | I have realplayer installed in a lenny system, but anytime I try to run astreaming clip it crashes |
| 07:05.37 | tarzeau | geek: also servers can run graphical apps remotely |
| 07:05.52 | tarzeau | geek: i'm also sshing to my servers, and i use xosview on them |
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| 07:06.05 | tarzeau | stranger_: it's not free, ask www.real.com |
| 07:06.12 | stranger_ | any idea what could be the problem? I have enough memory installed |
| 07:06.32 | tarzeau | stranger_: what does it say when it crashes? did you gdb,ltrace,strace it? |
| 07:06.39 | stranger_ | tarzeau: any other free alternative that will play streaming rm or wmv files |
| 07:06.48 | geek | tarzeau: used to do that. but i don't entirely see the point when i have another box for it. its a IRC/web/download server ;p |
| 07:06.57 | tarzeau | stranger_: yes, mplayer |
| 07:07.46 | mhymn | iptraf works in text-mode not X11 |
| 07:08.39 | tarzeau | mhymn: that's what i said: 09:05 < tarzeau> geek: ah iptraf, yes |
| 07:08.41 | tarzeau | 09:04 < geek> tarzeau: is it a CLI app? |
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| 07:10.03 | geek | yeah ;p |
| 07:10.03 | mhymn | <tarzeau> geek: no, it needs X11 |
| 07:10.03 | tarzeau | mhymn: that was referring to fontforge |
| 07:10.06 | mhymn | OK, anyway |
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| 07:12.27 | psylance | anyone knows ferm well ? |
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| 07:13.38 | stranger_ | tarzeau: strace output: http://paste.debian.net/18170/ |
| 07:14.15 | tarzeau | stranger_: which x video driver do you use? |
| 07:15.43 | stranger_ | tarzeau: as per the prefrences page of realplayer, the xvideo |
| 07:16.03 | psylance | !ferm |
| 07:16.03 | dpkg | ferm is, like, pronounced "firm", and stands for "For Easy Rule Making", and it helps in creating and maintaining complicated firewall rules |
| 07:16.12 | stranger_ | tarzeau: and btw mplayer doesn't start any streaming file either |
| 07:16.29 | tarzeau | stranger_: can you post a wmv stream url? |
| 07:16.51 | stranger_ | hold on |
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| 07:21.09 | tarzeau | stranger_: what says mplayer -version ? |
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| 07:22.15 | stranger_ | tarzeau: sorry the whole sustem is becoming unstable, |
| 07:22.24 | stranger_ | tarzeau: MPlayer dev-SVN-r26940 |
| 07:22.52 | tarzeau | stranger_: i've got 1.0rc2-2 and it works |
| 07:22.56 | tarzeau | stranger_: try #mplayer ? |
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| 07:33.05 | lazyfrosch | oh ein großer Baum ^^ |
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| 07:33.22 | qwerqwer | HI |
| 07:33.33 | qwerqwer | how can I tell what debian version I installed? |
| 07:33.43 | joltcan | !version |
| 07:33.43 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
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| 07:35.45 | lazyfrosch | what shall me do without macros :-) |
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| 07:36.02 | qwerqwer | I tried all those commands and all I got was Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable ? |
| 07:36.08 | clamiax | Does anyone have an idea of why some (i'm not sure but maybe *all*, not some) Unicode character is not displayed in console? |
| 07:36.16 | qwerqwer | like how do I find out if I installed 4.0 ? |
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| 07:36.46 | clamiax | I have the following bar on dvtm which is totally weird in console |
| 07:36.48 | clamiax | clamiax@claptop:~$ ~/.mk8monbar.sh -dacw wlan0 -tl |
| 07:36.50 | clamiax | 29/09/2008 - 09:36 á 0.55 á +52C á 88% á 0:32 (24%)⣠á âââ |
| 07:37.03 | lazyfrosch | qwerqwer: well testing is not 4.0 |
| 07:37.11 | lazyfrosch | qwerqwer: it must be stable |
| 07:37.13 | clamiax | while it's displayed perfectly on urxvt. Nobody have an idea on how to solve the problem? |
| 07:37.17 | mhymn | qwerqwer: what did "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
| 07:37.38 | qwerqwer | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:37.39 | qwerqwer | testing/unstable |
| 07:37.51 | mhymn | so its not 4,0 |
| 07:38.05 | qwerqwer | why do you say that |
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| 07:38.21 | lazyfrosch | qwerqwer: 4.0 = stable |
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| 07:39.52 | qwerqwer | maybe it was 4.0 unstable at the time it was installed |
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| 07:40.15 | qwerqwer | everything is called unstable or testing at some point |
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| 07:43.35 | prolix | would it be possible to simulate an apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 07:45.26 | geek | prolix: jusr download? |
| 07:45.50 | prolix | just simulate |
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| 07:46.43 | geek | prolix: apt-get -s i think |
| 07:46.52 | prolix | geek: thank you |
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| 07:54.14 | heanol | when building debian packages from source that results in multiple binary packages, can i somehow specify to just build one? |
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| 07:59.12 | Gargantua | Hi |
| 07:59.52 | Gargantua | I'm trying to install some packages and apt tells me "Media change: please insert the disc labeled - 'Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r4a _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20080804-15:10' - in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter" |
| 08:00.16 | bfremon | Gargantua: and ? |
| 08:00.17 | wols_ | Gargantua: edit your sources.list |
| 08:00.40 | Gargantua | wols_, ok, what do I need to add to it? |
| 08:00.45 | wols_ | nothing |
| 08:00.54 | Gargantua | Then why edit it? |
| 08:01.04 | wols_ | do it and you will see |
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| 08:01.18 | Gargantua | You mean I should remove that cdrom line |
| 08:01.24 | Gargantua | ? |
| 08:01.51 | Gargantua | whoa that did it |
| 08:01.53 | Gargantua | thanks! |
| 08:02.25 | Gargantua | Another question, is there an offical non-free repo? |
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| 08:05.07 | luna1 | yep add non-free at the end of your etch repo line |
| 08:05.36 | Gargantua | thanks again |
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| 08:07.56 | EvilDin | hi, our program is writting a lot of data on disc, but problem is that kjounald takes a lot of CPU at a time, what could be the problem and what solution ? |
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| 08:19.44 | micols | anyone know if one can change his email in gpg key? |
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| 08:29.13 | jayaraj | hi is there any one using UML? i need a UML design tool for my debian etch box...can any one tell me what are the better options i have? |
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| 08:30.50 | cedric3 | hi all i search the package openfiler for debian but i don't find it |
| 08:30.55 | cedric3 | if you have any idea thanks |
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| 08:31.59 | vadmeste | Hi. How can I make kernel print its messages on a specific tty ? |
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| 08:34.00 | lazyfrosch | vadmeste: they are printed by default on your tty, see "man dmesg" for disabling this |
| 08:34.18 | lazyfrosch | vadmeste: you can log the messages via syslog to a specified tty |
| 08:34.25 | PrMoriarty | hello i am looking for a distribution for build a custom linux embedded system |
| 08:34.33 | PrMoriarty | do you think debian is good for it? |
| 08:34.41 | lazyfrosch | vadmeste: but there is not really a scrollback... |
| 08:34.49 | PrMoriarty | cause i don t want to start a linux from scratch |
| 08:35.02 | lazyfrosch | PrMoriarty: what a question :-) |
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| 08:35.17 | PrMoriarty | lazyfrosch, what do you mean? |
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| 08:35.21 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 08:35.26 | lazyfrosch | PrMoriarty: Debian can be very small, depends on how big your embedded system is |
| 08:35.43 | lazyfrosch | PrMoriarty: there are a few embedded linux distos out there |
| 08:35.58 | gypsymauro | with a ls -la you see the date when the file was modified right? |
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| 08:41.15 | jayaraj | can any one tell me if there is any design tool for UML? |
| 08:42.53 | PrMoriarty | lazyfrosch, the size is not important, the most important is how i can customize the distribution and particulary the installer |
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| 08:44.36 | lazyfrosch | PrMoriarty: there are many ways |
| 08:44.41 | mhymn | jayaraj: http://argouml.tigris.org/ ? |
| 08:44.50 | PrMoriarty | lazyfrosch, can you advice me? |
| 08:45.14 | lazyfrosch | lazyfrosch: have a look on; http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
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| 08:45.45 | lazyfrosch | PrMoriarty: have a look on; http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ - i have not really experience with it :-) |
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| 08:50.35 | heroxbd | Our server still did not wake up. It cannot be logged in, either from ssh or rlogin. But the anonymous ftp service is still available. |
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| 08:51.41 | heroxbd | I have put a fail2ban (install from sid repo) on it. Maybe it hangs the server. |
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| 08:52.06 | DexterF | greetings |
| 08:52.28 | heroxbd | Is there any possibility to get it up without physically reset it? |
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| 08:52.43 | heroxbd | DexterF: greetings. |
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| 08:53.56 | DexterF | upped a VM with etch r0 (yes r0) to lenny, ran dist-upgrade twice or even three times and when I wanted to compile vmware-tools for the 2.6.26-i686 the installer told me "dude your kernel compiler and gcc dont match" |
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| 08:54.29 | DexterF | precisely: kernel was compiled with gcc 4.1.3, installed is 4.3.1 |
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| 08:54.45 | DexterF | temporary inconsistency or am I doing sth wrong? |
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| 08:56.15 | DexterF | (and ignoring the warning further on everything explodes of course) |
| 08:56.24 | pngwn | DexterF, isn't that a #vmware question? |
| 08:56.41 | DexterF | pngwn_ uh, no? |
| 08:57.12 | DexterF | it's debian's gcc and the debian kernel's gcc version that don't match, makes it a #debian question imo |
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| 08:57.39 | pngwn | didn't think vmware was supported in here |
| 08:57.49 | themill | pngwn: take it easy :) |
| 08:57.51 | jayaraj | mhymn, thanks i am checking it.... |
| 08:58.16 | pngwn | themill, about what? |
| 08:58.18 | themill | DexterF: vmware is a pain on this one. Take a look at the vmware-package package for automating this and/or /msg dpkg vmware compiler fix |
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| 08:58.20 | ribasushi | yo |
| 08:58.23 | DexterF | I can grab any other gpl'ed code that relates to kernel headers and compile that as well |
| 08:58.37 | DexterF | would provoke the same error |
| 08:58.39 | ribasushi | there used to be a /dev/.static/dev directory created by udev where the original /dev wa sremounted |
| 08:58.46 | ribasushi | it doesn't seem to be there anymore, how do I get it back? |
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| 08:59.01 | themill | DexterF: it wouldn't provoke the same error. It seems to be an overly keen test that vmware and nvidia are doing in their installers |
| 08:59.34 | DexterF | themill: so in the final release this will stay the same: 4.1.3 for the kernel, 4.3.1 installed? |
| 08:59.47 | DexterF | (...and that's fine?) |
| 08:59.47 | Zonei | Hi folks. I'm having some control chars in certain manpages (aptitude, for instance), for exampe \fB and \fR. Why do I see them (wrong locale?) and how can I fix that? |
| 09:00.36 | themill | DexterF: I believe so. gcc 4.2 miscompiled kernels a lot so was avoided. I'm not sure if there are plans to go to gcc 4.3 for kernels yet. |
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| 09:01.24 | themill | Zonei: etch? |
| 09:01.30 | Zonei | themill: yes. |
| 09:01.39 | themill | dpkg: tell Zonei about man aptitude fix |
| 09:01.49 | ribasushi | bah... retired as per changelog |
| 09:01.51 | ribasushi | wtf... |
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| 09:02.27 | themill | Zonei: there's a known bug in the man page for aptitude. It shouldn't be a locales thing for seeing those sorts of codes. |
| 09:02.27 | Zonei | themill: much obliged! |
| 09:02.31 | themill | :) |
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| 09:04.48 | xittum | anybody know why debian.org is ofline? |
| 09:05.03 | Crypticfortune | hmmm, found a bug in lenny installer. what package shoudl i submit a bug against? |
| 09:05.15 | Zonei | themill: oh, one more thing please, after I do the fix, what do I have to do, recache manpages somehow? |
| 09:06.04 | Crypticfortune | ahh debian-installer probably ^^ |
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| 09:14.14 | DexterF | themill, what does "miscompile" mean here? |
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| 09:24.23 | DexterF | themill, just came to me: the vmware installer actually asks if it should continue anyway. doing so results in gcc throwing an error. so maybe really a vmware thing. ill check out the any-any patches |
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| 09:28.10 | harpal | Hey does any one know any channel in which I get tc command help?? |
| 09:28.26 | petemc | #lartc on oftc, perhaps |
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| 09:33.47 | lvh | found the answer to last night's question for turning tex mat exps into gifs: texmime |
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| 09:37.25 | akaihola | "apt-cache show" lists tags for the package. How to search by tag? |
| 09:37.46 | alch3my | apt-cache show apt-get |
| 09:37.56 | alch3my | shrug! |
| 09:37.57 | alch3my | searc |
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| 09:39.41 | akaihola | e.g. "apt-cache search admin::configuring" shows no results although that's one of the tags for the aptitude package. |
| 09:40.15 | akaihola | tags are not mentioned on man pages for apt, apt-get nor apt-cache |
| 09:42.34 | akaihola | Found an answer: http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/faq.html |
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| 09:56.07 | Knight_Lord | I'm trying to delete a file but i'm getting permission denied |
| 09:56.10 | Knight_Lord | What could be the problem? |
| 09:56.18 | Knight_Lord | I'm the file owner and the permissions are 777 |
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| 09:58.22 | tralala | Knight_Lord, directory permissions |
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| 09:59.00 | Knight_Lord | tralala thanks a lot :) |
| 09:59.04 | tralala | sure |
| 10:00.29 | vadmeste | who correct debian packages bugs after freeze ? |
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| 10:01.41 | hatter | what is the debian web interface for exim4 ? |
| 10:02.17 | petemc | what web interface? |
| 10:02.40 | wols_ | hatter: I don't know any web interfacs for any admin task in debian |
| 10:02.48 | petemc | the only one exim has is vexim, and thats not in debian |
| 10:03.12 | lvh | anyone knwow what I can use to turn a TeX math expression into either a dvi or a png? (from dvi to png dvipng can fix for me) |
| 10:03.20 | lvh | just the expression, not an entire document around it |
| 10:03.46 | liable | vadmeste: what do you mean? |
| 10:04.55 | hatter | wols_, petemc, thx, i meant to say webmail, i noticed squirrelmail is a debian package |
| 10:05.03 | nkuttler | lvh: wikipedia seems to be doing that. try their docs. |
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| 10:05.11 | vadmeste | liable, i don't know.. i don't understand the phenomen until now.. but what I understood until now.. that now with lenny, packages are frozen.. but always bugs are corrected, right ? |
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| 10:05.29 | vadmeste | look at that english |
| 10:05.44 | ndan | wierd question... i want to plug a vga cable INTO my computer... how would i do that? |
| 10:05.51 | wols_ | hatter: squirrelmail, roundcube |
| 10:05.55 | wols_ | horde, |
| 10:05.59 | wols_ | those are the most common |
| 10:06.07 | hatter | wols, the 3 are in etch ? |
| 10:06.18 | wols_ | not roundcube I think. too new |
| 10:06.42 | geek | ndan: 'into'? look at the back. find port. insert plug into port? |
| 10:06.47 | hatter | i see, horde and squirrelmail, but no roundcube |
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| 10:07.43 | ndan | geek: there is no VGI IN port? |
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| 10:07.58 | ndan | i mean VGA |
| 10:08.01 | liable | vadmeste: bugs are fixed yes. once its stable, security only fixes |
| 10:08.45 | ceil420 | ndan, aren't most onboard video ports VGA? |
| 10:08.55 | ceil420 | even my mobo with it's hdmi still has a VGA port |
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| 10:08.59 | ndan | yes. however thy are out |
| 10:09.08 | mquin | ndan: if you want to be able to grab a vga signal from another device you'll need a VGA catpure card |
| 10:09.12 | ceil420 | oh |
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| 10:09.14 | mquin | see google |
| 10:09.16 | ceil420 | i see what you mean |
| 10:09.22 | vadmeste | liable, I mean for example, pidgin (with unknown reasons) always crashs when i try to run it.. that will be fixed ? |
| 10:09.54 | ndan | mquin: ... looks like that might be it |
| 10:11.12 | newb | I have installed debian on my laptop, i have installed the ATI driver for my Mobolity Radeon X1400 graphic card... I can run X with "vesa" driver in xorg.conf but when i change to "ati" the X can't start. Does someone know what my problem can be? I have been googeling but havent found anything to help me with my problem. Thanks |
| 10:11.36 | wols_ | newb: you need the fglrx driver |
| 10:11.47 | wols_ | !fglrx |
| 10:11.47 | dpkg | from memory, fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary, #ati @ irc.freenode.net. See also <radeon>. |
| 10:13.12 | newb | wols_ aha i see, now i understand why it doesnt work... So after i install the fglrx driver it shall bew "fglrx" in driver in xorg.conf or it should be "ati" ? |
| 10:13.47 | newb | sorry for my bad english btw =) |
| 10:13.54 | ceil420 | that's a complicated one-liner >_> |
| 10:14.26 | ceil420 | newb, i think the last part of the one-liner sets up xorg.conf for you (though i could be wrong) |
| 10:14.40 | ceil420 | !tell newb about fglrx one-liner |
| 10:16.44 | newb | thanks alot |
| 10:18.13 | liable | vadmeste: have you filed a bug? |
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| 10:22.11 | mquin | ndan: depening on what you are trying to do you might want to take a look at screencasting software - http://popey.com/Creating_Screencasts |
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| 10:24.21 | ribasushi | is there sime utility that will compare checksums of all currently installed package files to the checksums available in the corresponding .deb files? |
| 10:24.40 | petemc | debsums |
| 10:25.22 | ribasushi | petemc++ |
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| 10:25.42 | petemc | very generous |
| 10:25.59 | vadmeste | should I reboot debian after installing packages updates ? |
| 10:26.18 | petemc | not unless you have a new kernel |
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| 10:27.30 | ceil420 | you can restart X if that was one of your updates (xorg-xserver) |
| 10:27.35 | ribasushi | vadmeste: however it might still be a good idea - sometimes packages break stuff, and if the machine is rebooted when you are away and does not come up, guess who is blamed. By rebooting (if possible of course) after a massice upgrade, you ensure that the box will come up without any intervention later on |
| 10:27.37 | ceil420 | or is it xserver-xorg? |
| 10:28.07 | vadmeste | ceil420, the second |
| 10:28.19 | ceil420 | ah |
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| 10:30.39 | ribasushi | vadmeste: a very good example is the renaming of udev rules that took place in testing. This made my network labeling rules to be overriden by internal udev stuff, and the remotely managed server came up without any network connectivity after an unscheduled reboot two weeks later. Party! |
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| 10:34.45 | ndan | mquin: checkout this idea, basically i'm taking four computers connecting to them as a hub and using a monitor to the hub which desplays each desktop as the side of a cube. |
| 10:35.19 | ndan | i just need to find a way for the hub to receive and display the video data from each of the computers |
| 10:35.43 | mquin | another way to do that is to use VNC or similar to shift the video data over the local network |
| 10:35.47 | ceil420 | handy sysadmin-type stuff |
| 10:35.53 | mquin | no specialist hardware required |
| 10:36.19 | ndan | vnc won't allow wow to be played on one of the computers |
| 10:36.32 | ceil420 | wat |
| 10:36.41 | ribasushi | ndan: why? |
| 10:36.56 | ndan | because the fps of games over vnc i heard was horrible. |
| 10:37.04 | ribasushi | ndan: not over a lan |
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| 10:37.10 | wols_ | ribasushi: it is |
| 10:37.18 | wols_ | not utterly horrible but close enough |
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| 10:37.58 | ribasushi | well... to be honest I have not tried, but youtube streams quite well at 60mbps |
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| 10:38.19 | wols_ | games have a bit higher res than youtube :) |
| 10:38.30 | wols_ | 1024x768 min vs 320x200 |
| 10:38.48 | ribasushi | but that's at 60mbps |
| 10:38.56 | ndan | aye from my research vnc will not work for this. |
| 10:38.57 | ribasushi | if he is doing what he is he got to have a gigabit... right...? |
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| 10:39.09 | vadmeste | liable, crashing means, exiting suddenly, or blocking, or both of them ? |
| 10:39.31 | DexterF | ndan, 2 video cards with two display connectors. bam. |
| 10:39.47 | vadmeste | maybe you have to create a channel for beginners, lool |
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| 10:40.19 | wols_ | http://www.virtualgl.org |
| 10:40.39 | ndan | 2 video cards with 2 display connectors? |
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| 10:40.47 | rgr` | ribasushi: playing games over vnc is not the same as watching videos! There is a far higher CPU load on the remote machine and there needs to be a full duplex high speed link for UI of course. |
| 10:41.39 | mquin | also be aware that doing video capture at that rate on multiple inputs isn't going to be trivial |
| 10:42.16 | mquin | given KVM switches are cheap it sounds like a lot of effort just to get a superficial video effect |
| 10:42.38 | mquin | the novelty of which will likely wear off an hour after you've set it up |
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| 10:43.03 | ndan | alright you know how with compiz you can also be inside the cube and look around the desktops instead of rotating around the cube. well have the hub inside the cube and you will have for computers around you |
| 10:43.18 | rgr` | KVM is the only solution if you want to play high resolution games on one of 4 machines from one monitor! |
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| 10:44.37 | ndan | no its not. someone point out earlier n was right a vga capture card will allow you to do it as well |
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| 10:44.59 | ndan | ok shit computer locked up and froze. you can switch to the desktop on the right |
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| 10:46.33 | rgr` | ndan: Which vga capture card? And how does this solve the full duplex problem and real time syncing? Or where you thinking of playing tetris in which case no problem ..... |
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| 10:49.30 | ndan | http://www.ems-digitalmedia.com/html/visionrgbpro.html |
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| 10:51.18 | rgr` | That card takes rgb analogue feeds as input. |
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| 10:52.31 | ndan | analogue VGA or RGB data |
| 10:53.45 | Crypticfortune | basically rgr` is right. games over vnc is just silly, and playing games through video capture cards is a Bad Idea(tm) |
| 10:53.49 | rgr` | and how do you propose to get this analog data (read the output from a vga cable) from the remote machines to your hub? |
| 10:54.34 | wols_ | wonders what hardware provides a vga in? tv in, fine, (s-)video in too, but vga,dvi or hdmi? |
| 10:55.23 | Crypticfortune | wols_: i think hdmi capture would probably be "not so legal" |
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| 10:55.38 | ndan | yea there is no hdmi capture |
| 10:55.38 | rgr` | Crypticfortune: I've messed around with all this stuff. Its a no go for anything other than low spec stuff with little graphics or ui requirement. VNC is slow too. Im assuming he's talking distributed systems or even LAN is a no go IMO. Personally I dont use VNC much and tend to use x forwarding over ssh for gui desktop application access. |
| 10:55.45 | mquin | wols_: see ndan's link for vga |
| 10:55.53 | wols_ | Crypticfortune: should not be a problem. TVs do it all the time :) |
| 10:56.06 | dustybin | what am i missing when trying to get ACPI working: |
| 10:56.06 | dustybin | mythtvfrontend:/home/mythtv# modprobe -i acpi |
| 10:56.07 | dustybin | FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-486/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device |
| 10:56.17 | riri | What can i use to reconfigure the brightness of my screen with intel integrated drivers? |
| 10:56.24 | mquin | wols_: HDMI capture cards exist as well |
| 10:56.56 | wols_ | mquin: sure. but I notice how this link has no price. guess why? |
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| 10:57.18 | Crypticfortune | wols_: heheh "certified" TVs. unless your computer is a certified HDMI capture device (not bloody likely), it'll be violating some DMCA something.. (I'm sure you know this...but still, in theory....) |
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| 10:57.40 | wols_ | I'd say the capture card costs more than a PC |
| 10:57.54 | petemc | fuck the dmca |
| 10:58.15 | rgr` | Interesting point of view .... |
| 10:58.35 | OpenTokix | Thank god I don't live in the US |
| 10:58.36 | ndan | there is another work around. Video Card to S video cable. the svideo connected to a standard non-latent tv tuner card |
| 10:58.40 | petemc | its only relevant to america |
| 10:59.01 | rgr` | ndan: are you being serious? Have you been watching too much Tron ? :-; |
| 10:59.07 | ndan | Tron? |
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| 10:59.54 | themill | DexterF: yes, it would be a vmware problem in that case. Recently, vmware has been lagging quite a bit in releasing products that are compatible with the latest kernels. |
| 11:00.42 | wols_ | ndan: do you know how much bandwith your PCI bus has for those 5 cards? :) |
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| 11:01.12 | ndan | what about usb on those cards? |
| 11:01.37 | Crypticfortune | ndan: what is this "non-latent" tv tuner card you speak of? afaik TV cards basically always imply some latency (which if you're sitting on the other trying to control Mario while your visual feedback is getting like 50ms lag, it's very confusing) |
| 11:01.39 | rgr` | ndan: I missed something. This is a LAN for a start right? |
| 11:01.41 | wols_ | which ones? TV cards? and guess where the usb controller hands off its data, to what bus? |
| 11:01.58 | rgr` | Crypticfortune: 50 ms? Lucky if that. |
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| 11:02.28 | ndan | well... you can call it that... all five computers are built in one box |
| 11:02.42 | Crypticfortune | rgr`: something like that. I think I got around 50-150 when I tried it. it was unplayable =P |
| 11:04.16 | rgr` | ndan: but ultimately are connected via a router using ethernet or ? |
| 11:04.39 | ndan | indeed. |
| 11:05.16 | Crypticfortune | basically, KVM is the only way to go. you can remotely trigger your KVM to switch if you don't want it to *feel* like KVM, but anything that mucks around decoding and re-encoding signals (and ehternet?? You've gotta be kidding), is going to make for not-playable games. |
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| 11:06.07 | ndan | kvm won't allow you to display four computers on one screen. |
| 11:06.30 | Crypticfortune | ndan: not simultaneously....that's your goal? that's a tall order... |
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| 11:07.15 | ndan | indeed simultaneously. |
| 11:07.35 | ndan | throw one more thing into the picture on the hub. http://www.vuzix.com/iwear/products_vr920.html |
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| 11:08.04 | whyking | hi |
| 11:08.07 | rgr` | ndan: nothing in life is free. Someones being telling you porkie pies. Even something as basic as a normal resolution desktop using "delat" transmission using vns is sluggish. Your needs are simply not possible to meet with any HW/SW configuration I am aware of. There is a reason, for instance, that VGA cards with dedicated ram are faster than the shared ram ones - bandwidth. |
| 11:08.16 | rgr` | s/delat/delta |
| 11:08.29 | dustybin | anybody know what might be causing this error: |
| 11:08.30 | dustybin | mythtvfrontend:/home/mythtv# /usr/sbin/hibernate-ram |
| 11:08.30 | dustybin | hibernate-ram:Warning: Tuxonice binary signature file not found. |
| 11:08.42 | dustybin | s2ram: unknown machine, see s2ram(8) and the USuspendRamForce option |
| 11:08.46 | whyking | a package wants to install a dependency which has been renamed (libgsl0 became libgsl0ldbl), how could I fix that in the best way? |
| 11:09.03 | ndan | rgr' but if you had each computer plugged into a tv tuner card why wouldn't each computer display in its own window on the main computer? |
| 11:09.05 | whyking | create an alias for that package? |
| 11:09.09 | whyking | is that possible? |
| 11:09.10 | bolt-work | dustybin: did you see s2ram(8)? |
| 11:09.32 | whyking | or where would I find the dependencies for that package so I could fix that |
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| 11:09.45 | dustybin | bolt-work: what is that?\ |
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| 11:10.28 | wols_ | whyking: where and why has it changed? |
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| 11:10.28 | wols_ | whyking: what debian versins are you mixing? |
| 11:10.29 | guysoft42 | hey, how do you identity a debian system? |
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| 11:10.40 | whyking | wols_, I really don't know.. I guess you would have to ask the package maintainer |
| 11:10.42 | wols_ | !tell guysoft42 about version |
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| 11:11.08 | wols_ | whyking: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 and apt-cache policy libgsl0ldbl |
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| 11:11.13 | bolt-work | dustybin: man 8 s2ram |
| 11:11.18 | wols_ | whyking: pastebin the output of this |
| 11:11.42 | guysoft42 | wols_, thanks :) |
| 11:14.09 | whyking | wols_, http://rafb.net/p/ZiOj3F11.html |
| 11:14.29 | wols_ | whyking: ask #ubuntu please. we cannot help you |
| 11:14.39 | whyking | wols_, I have to confess I am using ubuntu.. but noone was able to help me there and I thought it was more an issue of dpkg |
| 11:14.47 | whyking | :/ |
| 11:14.51 | wols_ | !they don't know |
| 11:14.51 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 11:15.15 | wols_ | it's an issue with repository management, so clearly a ubuntu problem |
| 11:15.22 | christoz | hey , i was wondering how to bookmark a single command on bash , whith a long <option> parameter, any ideas ?? |
| 11:15.28 | whyking | wols_, alright.. sorry for stealing your time then! thx anyway |
| 11:15.41 | wols_ | christoz: alias |
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| 11:15.55 | christoz | ~alias |
| 11:15.56 | apt | methinks alias is nice |
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| 11:15.58 | christoz | .alias |
| 11:16.03 | christoz | !alias |
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| 11:16.03 | dpkg | Bash alias? Do 'help alias' and read 'man bash', also see your ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc for examples of aliases. |
| 11:16.10 | wols_ | !tell christoz about msgthebot |
| 11:16.16 | christoz | :P |
| 11:16.22 | wols_ | no laughing matter |
| 11:16.30 | christoz | ok sorry mate |
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| 11:21.21 | Coke | Is there any way for me to check bugs in unstable in the bug report system? This bug, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481270 , has existed over six months now and I'm not sure if the version in unstable has been verified to work or not. The testing version had a recent update, but that bug was not resolved by that update. Any ideas how I can find unstable status? |
| 11:21.43 | Coke | Maintainer asked users of unstable to test it, but I've seen zero feedback. |
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| 11:23.30 | rgr` | ndan: each computer plugged into a tv tuner card? Please explain further. What about the user input requirements? |
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| 11:24.16 | rgr` | !tell rgr` about msgthebot |
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| 11:25.18 | pro | hi guys, does anyone know what tool i can use to track which users on the network are using what amount of traffic through the gateway? |
| 11:25.32 | pro | if it can speak to mysql, thats even better |
| 11:26.00 | bolt-work | pro: you can track it by machine quite easily, but not by usernames, if there are several users on a given machine at one time |
| 11:27.10 | bolt-work | pro: unencrypted traffic rarely contains user information, afaik. and if it does, it shouldn't |
| 11:27.22 | pro | bolt-work, im not worried about the username, i want to know what IP/MAC used how much bandwidth / traffic on a daily basis |
| 11:27.28 | rgr` | pro: maybe Zabbix meets your needs? I think it monitors network usage for each machine too. |
| 11:27.49 | bolt-work | or just nettop or something |
| 11:28.01 | bolt-work | but if you want logging you need something more advanced, yes |
| 11:28.15 | pro | i just found netacct-mysql, i will see it this will work |
| 11:28.46 | rgr` | And Zabbix uses mysql. |
| 11:28.51 | dropbear_ | pro: look into ntop, it works well with myql |
| 11:29.31 | Crypticfortune_ | pro: if you can install/trust munin on all the participating boxes, you can monitor bandwidth that way too |
| 11:29.35 | pro | dropbear_, i saw ntop, it shows way too much info for the end user, i didnt see it could do mysql though..... |
| 11:29.57 | rgr` | pro: end user is seeing this stuff or just the admin? |
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| 11:30.08 | pro | Crypticfortune_, i dont have access to the workstations |
| 11:30.25 | pro | rgr`, management see's it |
| 11:30.39 | adnc | can someone tell me what the spamass-milter package is for? is it essential if i wanted to use spamassassin and postfix? |
| 11:30.42 | pro | so the less skilled on PC's than the admin or the endLuser |
| 11:30.46 | rgr` | pro: so you cant stick clients on them? Thats zabbix out then. |
| 11:30.58 | rgr` | pro: reports are there to be trimmed. |
| 11:31.13 | pro | adnc, its for sendmail |
| 11:31.23 | adnc | pro: not for postfix? |
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| 11:31.50 | pro | adnc, no, i would suggest exim4-daemon-heavy |
| 11:32.00 | Crypticfortune_ | pro: then you need something at the router/switch level (like gathering port based data via SNMP (eg. using mrtg?)) |
| 11:32.04 | adnc | since i can't get it removed i get this error Stopping Sendmail milter plugin for SpamAssassin: No /usr/sbin/spamass-milter found running; none kill |
| 11:32.14 | petemc | adnc: i think you can use that for postfix |
| 11:32.17 | eggy_ | how do i find out which binary is listening on a specific port? i remember some tool which gives an overview over port usages and which program is responsible for binding to a port |
| 11:32.21 | eggy_ | any hints? |
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| 11:32.48 | adnc | petemc: my postfix uses spamassassin already. is this for any particular need? |
| 11:32.50 | petemc | eggy_: lsif -: portnumber , netstat |
| 11:32.57 | eggy_ | petemc: thanks :) |
| 11:33.06 | Crypticfortune_ | eggy_: netstat -lnap | grep port |
| 11:33.09 | petemc | eggy_: lsoft, not lsif |
| 11:33.11 | pro | if i have to ( which i dont ) i will write something with iptables to do it... but im sure there has to be something out there |
| 11:33.13 | petemc | fuck! |
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| 11:33.35 | pro | bandwidthd looks good, but i want to keep a history with it |
| 11:33.39 | Crypticfortune_ | pro: router is a debian box? |
| 11:33.46 | petemc | adnc: not sure, im an exim person, i just know you can use some milter stuff with postfix |
| 11:34.08 | pro | Crypticfortune_, yes, debian on ADSL |
| 11:34.37 | adnc | petemc: i think you are right, postfix milter interface can make use of sendmail milterplugins but i dont know what this is doing since i call spamassassin in postfix directly |
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| 11:35.31 | rgr` | Can anyone suggest when when I launch a root terminal from the gnome panel it does not focus? |
| 11:35.35 | Crypticfortune_ | pro: ah, then ya, iptables counters are a simple but effective way to go... |
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| 11:35.49 | Crypticfortune_ | pro: (that's what i do =P |
| 11:35.55 | pro | ok |
| 11:36.07 | Crypticfortune_ | bandwidthd looks pretty cool though |
| 11:36.08 | pro | well, thanks, im gonna go get some lunch |
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| 11:36.35 | pro | Crypticfortune_, yeah, it works nice on small networks |
| 11:36.36 | rgr` | ntop look cool too - didnt know about that. |
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| 11:37.18 | pro | i have squid transparent proxy and mysar on there too, so i can see who does what, |
| 11:38.02 | pro | and there is drupal as the frontend ( i rewrote the mysar stuff as a drupal module) and then i have exim speaking to mysql for logging mails |
| 11:39.24 | pro | anyway, bbl, i need food |
| 11:39.33 | atul | Hi which package do I need to install for getting wireless working with my laptop. |
| 11:40.00 | abrotman | which wireless chipset do you have? |
| 11:40.57 | atul | abrotman:=> intels' |
| 11:41.01 | atul | intel's |
| 11:41.24 | abrotman | yes, which one? and which version of debian? |
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| 11:42.07 | steven | hi |
| 11:42.23 | ndan | how does FreeNX transfer its romote desktop information via images like VNC? |
| 11:42.33 | ndan | doesn't look like it |
| 11:44.05 | atul | abrotman:=> I had 2.6.18-6-686, and How to check withc chipset is there on my system. |
| 11:44.15 | abrotman | lspci is one way |
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| 11:45.26 | atul | abrotman:=>"02:06.0 CardBus bridge: ENE Technology Inc CB1410 Cardbus Controller (rev 01) |
| 11:45.26 | atul | 02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82562ET/EZ/GT/GZ - PRO/100 VE (LO M) Ethernet Controller Mobile (rev 01) |
| 11:45.26 | atul | 10:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Conne ction (rev 02) |
| 11:45.26 | atul | " |
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| 11:45.41 | saintiss | hi all |
| 11:45.55 | saintiss | is there a way to reinitialize acpi stuff which does not involve rebooting? |
| 11:45.57 | steven | how would i go about installing a package from oldstable ? |
| 11:46.18 | steven | i need to be able run tomcat4 ? |
| 11:46.41 | steven | is this recommended or would i be better installing from source ? |
| 11:46.55 | abrotman | !tell atul about ipw3945 |
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| 11:47.05 | atul | abrotman : sorry "02:08.0 0200: 8086:1068 (rev 01) |
| 11:47.07 | abrotman | atul: did you get what the bot sent you ? |
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| 11:49.09 | cvn | hi, which package do i install to get "libtcl.so" ? |
| 11:50.04 | abrotman | cvn: /msg dpkg search |
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| 11:51.43 | gener1c | hey |
| 11:52.05 | gener1c | for ages i used rmmod and blacklist for pcspkr with my inspiron 6400 and now when i upgraded |
| 11:52.09 | gener1c | it no longer helps |
| 11:52.13 | gener1c | what gives? |
| 11:52.15 | abrotman | !bell |
| 11:52.15 | dpkg | bell is probably "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell, or for .26 and newer modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module |
| 11:52.41 | abrotman | see the last bit |
| 11:52.54 | gener1c | thanks |
| 11:53.41 | atul | abrotman:=> yes |
| 11:54.01 | atul | abrotman:=> sorry for late reply |
| 11:55.14 | gener1c | and one last thing |
| 11:55.30 | gener1c | how do i make my layout settings stay the same after a reboot |
| 11:55.46 | gener1c | i added my own regional layout and every reboot it changes back |
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| 11:58.08 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 11:58.08 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
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| 12:03.27 | gener1c | i did change it |
| 12:03.30 | gener1c | it didnt stick |
| 12:04.09 | gener1c | every reboot i need to reset it |
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| 12:04.17 | gener1c | !layout |
| 12:04.23 | stew | gener1c: how are you changing it? |
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| 12:04.41 | gener1c | via the gnome gui |
| 12:05.22 | gener1c | system>preferences>keyboard>layouts>+add |
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| 12:06.05 | rgr` | Is using "!" the same as "/msg dpkg" ? |
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| 12:06.30 | petemc | rgr`: no, ! is printed in channel |
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| 12:06.40 | rgr` | petemc: thanks. |
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| 12:07.09 | rgr` | Is there a shortcur for /msg dpkg which does not? |
| 12:07.22 | rgr` | e.g "? bell" ? |
| 12:07.28 | petemc | rgr`: huh? |
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| 12:07.38 | tralala | rgr`, you can alias /msg dpkg to say "/ask" |
| 12:07.41 | petemc | rgr`: you can keep a query window to dpkg open |
| 12:07.42 | wols_ | rgr`: there isn't. would make no sense either |
| 12:08.07 | rgr` | wols_: makes sense to me. It means you dont have to remember to change to the dedicated dpkg buffer, |
| 12:08.16 | rgr` | tralala: thanks. |
| 12:08.36 | petemc | whats a dedicated dpkg buffer? |
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| 12:08.58 | tralala | a query window supposedly |
| 12:08.59 | shodges_ | hey, i'm having trouble installing proftpd, "apt-get install proftpd" fails with this output: http://pastebin.com/m5d249d59 |
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| 12:09.05 | rgr` | tralala: of course it is. |
| 12:09.16 | petemc | why not call it a query window? |
| 12:09.18 | LastWho | hi |
| 12:09.19 | shodges_ | Does anyone know if the package is broken? |
| 12:09.27 | rgr` | petemc: because I call it a buffer. |
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| 12:09.43 | rgr` | Sorry if it wasnt clear. |
| 12:09.44 | azeem | shodges_: Starting ftp server: proftpd - IPv4 getaddrinfo 'server' error: No address associated with hostname |
| 12:09.54 | azeem | shodges_: your networking setup seems broken |
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| 12:10.11 | tralala | rgr`, what irc client do you use? |
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| 12:10.41 | shodges_ | azeem, thats the error I see yes. The networking is pretty much a stock installation of etch |
| 12:10.46 | J_P | hi all |
| 12:10.53 | rgr` | erc. emacs. I dont have seperate windows for each query link/channel. I have seperate buffers which I can swap between. So some "vocab" difference :-; |
| 12:10.57 | azeem | shodges_: what does "hostname" say? |
| 12:11.14 | LastWho | /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 12:11.26 | shodges_ | azeem, hostname says "server" |
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| 12:11.50 | shodges_ | Perhaps I need to add it to my hosts somehow? |
| 12:12.05 | bolt-work | shodges_: /etc/hosts |
| 12:12.07 | azeem | shodges_: what's the content of /etc/hosts? |
| 12:12.24 | tralala | rgr`, then you can certainly program some esc-meta-alt-ctrl-shift shortcut to ask dpkg questions |
| 12:12.47 | LastWho | where could i find channel's guidelines plz? |
| 12:12.50 | rgr` | tralala: sure. I was just wondering if there was already a channel shortcut. |
| 12:13.02 | tralala | not really, no |
| 12:13.14 | azeem | LastWho: /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 12:13.28 | tralala | !+tell LastWho -about guidelines |
| 12:13.28 | dpkg | told LastWho about guidelines. |
| 12:13.49 | shodges_ | azeem, bolt-work: ah! my /etc/hosts mismatches my hostname. How do I permanently change my hostname to match /etc/hosts? |
| 12:14.01 | azeem | shodges_: edit /etc/hostname |
| 12:14.19 | tralala | shodges_, /msg dpkg hostname |
| 12:14.33 | LastWho | done, thx :) |
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| 12:17.01 | rgr` | Does one need ones hostname in the /etc/hosts? |
| 12:17.09 | shodges_ | thanks all, it installs great now |
| 12:17.25 | bolt-work | rgr`: that's very useful, yes |
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| 12:17.53 | rgr` | bolt-work: could you explain? Reason is I dont :-( Dont know if thats a bad thing. I just have my localhost entry. |
| 12:18.42 | azeem | rgr`: if what is a bad thing? |
| 12:18.45 | bolt-work | rgr`: you can just stuff it in there. the reason, i think, is that several programs will try to lookup your hostname to find your ip address |
| 12:19.27 | rgr` | and locahost wont do why? |
| 12:19.59 | rgr` | keep in mind that the /etc/hosts does not keep your real IP address when its dhcp assigned afaik. |
| 12:20.17 | bolt-work | rgr`: because "$ hostname" doesn't return "localhost" |
| 12:20.32 | rgr` | ok. |
| 12:21.07 | bolt-work | rgr`: that's true. but you could always make your hostname an alias for localhost in /etc/hosts |
| 12:21.12 | rgr` | And where or what is $hostname? |
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| 12:21.30 | abrotman | rgr`: it's a command .. "hostname" |
| 12:21.45 | bolt-work | rgr`: hostname is a command. /bin/hostname |
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| 12:21.51 | rgr` | I know the command hostname of course. Not the same thing as $hostname. |
| 12:21.57 | bolt-work | rgr`: $ signifies root isn't required to run it |
| 12:21.59 | abrotman | rgr`: $ hostname .. prompt |
| 12:22.04 | rgr` | aha. |
| 12:22.12 | vadmeste | Hi. I know it's a stupid question.. but does "crash" mean "exit suddenly" or "block (freeze)" ? |
| 12:22.13 | bolt-work | as opposed to "# hostname" |
| 12:22.27 | abrotman | rgr`: or echo $HOSTNAME |
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| 12:22.53 | vadmeste | I have to report a bug, and I want to use accurate words.. |
| 12:23.11 | bolt-work | crash is very inaccurate |
| 12:23.18 | abrotman | vadmeste: crash usually means exit for no expected reason |
| 12:23.49 | rgr` | bolt-work: interesting. I never has this problem. Will check up as I "upgraded" to fully specifed hostnames of the form "x.y.z" when I got my DNS/DHCP debian server working. No issues so far with the hostname not being in hosts but will keep an eye on it. Good information to know. Thanks. |
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| 12:24.14 | vadmeste | ok.. my "pidgin" freeze when I try to login.. is that sentence correct ? |
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| 12:24.28 | bolt-work | rgr`: read up a bit. someone had that exact problem a couple of minutes ago |
| 12:24.29 | abrotman | vadmeste: for all accounts? or just one in particular? |
| 12:24.44 | Morgoth^^ | hi! |
| 12:24.51 | adnc | i've this entry in my syslog.conf "mail.* -/var/log/mail.log |
| 12:24.52 | adnc | " |
| 12:24.58 | adnc | but still it doesnt log to mail.log |
| 12:25.07 | vadmeste | abrotman, all accounts |
| 12:25.57 | vadmeste | abrotman, it generates this msg "DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket" |
| 12:26.15 | rgr` | bolt-work: I dont think that would affect me since the hostname() would be properly matched by my DNS server I think. Or? |
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| 12:28.04 | bolt-work | rgr`: i don't know what functions proftpd uses to get your hostname/ip |
| 12:28.35 | rgr` | but I'll add it anyway. Might save me further down the road. Cheers for the info. |
| 12:28.36 | abrotman | vadmeste: how did you install pidgin? |
| 12:28.49 | bolt-work | rgr`: doesn't hurt |
| 12:29.19 | vadmeste | abrotman, synaptic... and I work under lenny.. |
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| 12:29.45 | rgr` | bolt-work: I try to localise things as much as possible so the fewer places something like that is the better though. Its why I was finally driven to install BIND on my spare machine. So the lan clients didnt have to have their own specific hosts files :-; |
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| 12:30.37 | wols_ | rgr`: bind for a local lan is... oh well |
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| 12:31.03 | F1r3_B1rd | 'ssup u guys |
| 12:31.05 | rgr` | wols_: very important. And necessary for me. Or you know my setup? |
| 12:31.06 | bolt-work | wols_: yeah, there are many local local area networks around :) |
| 12:32.06 | wols_ | rgr`: look up dnsmasq or similar, _small_ DNS servers |
| 12:32.11 | rgr` | wols_: primarily I needed hostnames to resolve to the lan ip IF a laptop was inside the lan and to external ip address uf not. |
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| 12:32.41 | rgr` | wols_: its not an overhead. It works. The machine isnt stressed and it was a good project. |
| 12:33.10 | rgr` | wols_: but will look at those too. |
| 12:33.24 | tralala | hmm, the planet is down all the day |
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| 12:35.15 | abrotman | vadmeste: did you look in the BTS for a current bug? |
| 12:35.34 | vadmeste | abrotman, yeah.. it's why I am willing to report a bug.. |
| 12:35.45 | XLV | i need to move a 3 hdd soft raid5 array from the in-the-chipset nvidia sata controller to a on-board-the-mb silicon image sata controller.. are modules for sata controllers included in initfs automatically? |
| 12:35.53 | abrotman | rgr`: you can have clients do dynamic updates to bind if you prefer .. or use netbios names |
| 12:36.20 | F1r3_B1rd | hey... can someone help me out here? i'm trying to block ultrasurf and torpark access on my network... but it's not working...any ideas? |
| 12:36.39 | rgr` | wols_: thanks for the reference. dnsmasq look excellent for lan needs. |
| 12:36.49 | bolt-work | uses dyndns for machines which sometimes travel outside the network |
| 12:37.09 | bolt-work | dyndns+ddclient |
| 12:37.53 | rgr` | bolt-work: so do I. But thats a different thing. e.g try to attach to mail. mydomain.net from inside the lan does not work unless it resolves to the local ip. Hence the dns set up. |
| 12:38.20 | rgr` | Or thats what I was advised in here a while back :-; |
| 12:38.21 | abrotman | rgr`: your network is broken |
| 12:39.27 | rgr` | abrotman: could you explain? |
| 12:39.51 | abrotman | your mail server should already have a dns entry somewhere .. are you saying that you can't use that external IP to connect to the system? |
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| 12:40.38 | wols_ | abrotman: shitty router |
| 12:40.46 | rgr` | I am saying that I could not connect to that global IP from within the LAN. I needed it resolved to the local IP. The mail server is on that LAN inside the same router. |
| 12:40.53 | abrotman | taht's an awful router |
| 12:40.59 | wols_ | many consumer crap can't connect to their own public IP due to shitty NAT implementation |
| 12:41.02 | rgr` | I came here was told to go the route I did. |
| 12:41.20 | wols_ | ie connect to the IP from inside the LAN |
| 12:41.28 | rgr` | wols_: that was my understanding. I am surprised to hear my network is broken since it works really really well. |
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| 12:42.17 | wols_ | rgr`: it is. at least your router is utter shit |
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| 12:43.28 | bolt-work | wouldn't it just be the routing table? |
| 12:43.29 | rgr` | wols_: my network is not broken. My router works just fine. And the dns server solution was recommended in many places. And it was an interestng project to setup. But your kind words on my "utter shit" router are noted and I'll pass them on to netgear who seem to think thy are quite good and sell a lot of them. |
| 12:43.51 | rgr` | anyway, see ya. |
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| 12:44.13 | abrotman | yes .. netgear .. the godsend of routers |
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| 12:44.18 | bolt-work | "Hi, Netgear? This is rgr`. There's this chap in #debian who thinks your routers are shit. Thankyou." |
| 12:44.23 | CAP3499 | Hi |
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| 12:45.22 | wols_ | abrotman: to be fair, routers with this bug are less common nowadays. but it utterly baffled me when I encountered it the first time (I was using iptables for ky NAT needs and couldn't see why it wouldn't work like that everywhere) |
| 12:45.46 | wols_ | one of the reasons why I insist on linux for consumer routers too |
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| 12:46.30 | bolt-work | wols_: am i correct in thinking the issue here was that he couldn't contact his own external ip from inside the network? |
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| 12:47.10 | wols_ | bolt-work: yes |
| 12:47.18 | abrotman | bolt-work: he had the mail server NATed to his internal network .. |
| 12:47.26 | bolt-work | wols_: ... that sucks. |
| 12:47.31 | abrotman | and his router couldn't handle that |
| 12:47.38 | bolt-work | wols_: just making sure i understood the issue. |
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| 12:53.00 | newb | Does apt-get remove, does it remove the whole installed package in the system? I read the apt manual but i didt understand everything. Thanks! |
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| 12:54.01 | los|s | hello |
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| 12:54.16 | elux | i have rubygems installed on my system but none of the package bin files are in my path .. the gems are in /var/lib/gems/1.8/gems, ive set my GEM_PATH what am i missing? |
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| 12:54.37 | los|s | how is it with the upgrade from one debian version to the next? (stable to stable) will something break? |
| 12:54.39 | vadmeste | there are no interface web to send bug report ? (smtp is blocked by my ISP.. and I lost my isp smtp password.. what a loser am I) |
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| 12:54.56 | bolt-work | newb: what do you mean by the whole package? |
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| 12:55.00 | abrotman | vadmeste: you can use webmail to do it |
| 12:55.11 | vadmeste | abrotman, ok |
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| 12:55.20 | flami | los|s: i upgraded from sarge to etch back then , it worked flawlesly . |
| 12:55.20 | abrotman | vadmeste: iirc there's a template at bugs.debian.org |
| 12:55.40 | bolt-work | newb: without extra options, it will remove the installed binaries and other included files, but not config files, program-created files, logs or the original installation package (.deb) |
| 12:56.07 | vadmeste | abrotman, ok, i saw it.. or I got another idea.. I'll send the file generated by reportbug.. |
| 12:56.10 | newb | bolt-work i mean if i use apt-get install firefox... does apt-get remove firefox |
| 12:56.14 | mark_s | hello all, I want to add a user who should only use the system through samba. So no login, homedir, bash, ... is required. how do I do this? |
| 12:56.17 | abrotman | vadmeste: that'll work too |
| 12:56.28 | bolt-work | newb: ..no, then it would install firefox |
| 12:56.37 | wols_ | mark_s: set his sehll to /bin/false |
| 12:56.45 | wols_ | and don't have a password for him |
| 12:57.04 | newb | bolt-work okey, what is the easiest way to delite the config files installed packages? I just write firefox like an example:P |
| 12:57.10 | mark_s | wols_: how do I do this with no password? |
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| 12:57.16 | bolt-work | newb: --purge |
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| 12:57.27 | newb | okey =) |
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| 12:57.53 | los|s | where can i see which packages are in debian backports ? |
| 12:58.40 | flami | Anyone know if when the new smb4k will be in unstable ? sid still has 0.9.4, ( for kde3 0.9.7 would be the newest) , and the kde4 port 0.10.0 . The pts has an error on the upstream version check |
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| 12:59.02 | wols_ | mark_s: man 1 passwd |
| 12:59.11 | wols_ | los|s: backports.org |
| 12:59.27 | mark_s | wols_: stupid me, sorry |
| 12:59.35 | flami | .... the kde4 port is missng in unstable ... |
| 12:59.44 | wols_ | !tell flami about kde4 |
| 12:59.50 | newb | bolt-work aptitude clean, should i run it sometimes? Right me if im wrong |
| 12:59.56 | abrotman | flami: when the rest of kde4 goes in probably ? |
| 13:00.08 | wols_ | newb: if you want. deletes old .deb files |
| 13:00.42 | flami | well then at least update to the newest kde3 version ? ^^ |
| 13:00.46 | newb | okey |
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| 13:00.57 | bolt-work | newb: run it if you run out of space, i guess |
| 13:01.02 | bolt-work | newb: otherwise no real point |
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| 13:01.15 | flami | also its not in experimental |
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| 13:02.12 | newb | bolt-work ah i see... thank you all for the help |
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| 13:02.14 | los|s | thank you |
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| 13:04.47 | man_in_ltop | waves |
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| 13:04.53 | man_in_ltop | i'm trying to prepare a usb stick for booting |
| 13:05.12 | man_in_ltop | the howto says to use syslinux as bootloader, and talks about syslinux.cfg, but i can't find that file |
| 13:05.57 | lodder_ | when will lenny be ready, |
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| 13:06.12 | abrotman | !tell lodder_ about wwlr |
| 13:06.29 | alch3my | !wir |
| 13:06.29 | dpkg | methinks wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 13:06.41 | dustybin | anybody remember when the network interfaces dbus settings are? |
| 13:06.48 | dustybin | the rules |
| 13:06.55 | abrotman | you mean udev? |
| 13:07.00 | dustybin | thats the one |
| 13:07.01 | dustybin | yes |
| 13:07.08 | abrotman | !tell dustybin about z25 |
| 13:07.19 | dustybin | thanks |
| 13:07.20 | man_in_ltop | :) |
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| 13:07.58 | abrotman | man_in_ltop: aren't you usually in a box? |
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| 13:08.19 | man_in_ltop | abrotman, depends on wither or not you're really a brot man |
| 13:08.23 | man_in_ltop | *whether |
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| 13:11.28 | man_in_ltop | so can someone help me get a bootloader working on my usb stick? |
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| 13:21.41 | _0RI0N | anyone know how to install php extensions on xampp which is installed on a debian machine? |
| 13:21.42 | dtcrshr | hi folks, iv got an issue with cd burning. On the comand line (mkisofs, genisoimage and cdrecord) iv tryed MANY situations with joliet, long names, rock ridge.. just to name a few, and always the output media from my backup goes with wrong characters. Iv tryed inputting on the cli uft-8, but none gets right. If i record the folder with gnomebaker, with joliet and ridge selected the media goes fine, i can read in windows and so on. Is there a way to use g |
| 13:22.00 | wols_ | orafu: we do not support xampp. use debian packages |
| 13:22.11 | noppe | when's Lenny going to be released as stable? |
| 13:22.23 | man_in_ltop | !wir |
| 13:22.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 13:22.27 | wols_ | noppe: /msg dpkg wwlr |
| 13:22.32 | man_in_ltop | :) |
| 13:22.50 | wols_ | _0RI0N: we do not support xampp. use debian packages |
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| 13:23.15 | Minty95 | hello |
| 13:23.22 | man_in_ltop | doesn't know what xampp is :P |
| 13:23.27 | abrotman | !xampp |
| 13:23.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, xampp is a way of way of installing lots of packages that are already in Debian. Don't use XAMPP, instead use aptitude install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server gettext perl libapache2-mod-perl2 sqlite webalizer mcrypt expat proftpd zlib libpng3 libjpeg62 ... actually, just ask me about <search> |
| 13:23.32 | Minty95 | is there a debian live Cd so that i can try it ? |
| 13:23.38 | abrotman | !tell Minty95 about livecd |
| 13:23.45 | man_in_ltop | cool thanks |
| 13:23.58 | jelly | aptitude install whatnow? |
| 13:23.59 | alch3my | !tell alch3my about livecd |
| 13:24.09 | wols_ | !tell alch3my about selftell |
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| 13:24.23 | alch3my | indeed |
| 13:24.30 | shodges_ | hey all, any idea how to block a specific user account from authenticating with Apache/PAM? |
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| 13:24.52 | ma3x | is there a software/package for debian that will record mouse movements in iceweasel? |
| 13:25.44 | shodges_ | I have "Require valid-user" in my site config, and I want the equivalent to "Deny guest" (except Deny accepts IP addresses, I want to block an account) |
| 13:26.34 | abrotman | ask #apache |
| 13:26.35 | jelly | ma3x: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:26.36 | bolt-work | ma3x: "record mouse movements"? |
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| 13:27.10 | ma3x | I'm trying to record directions (how i move the mouse on a www page, and what happens...) |
| 13:27.20 | jelly | ma3x: why? |
| 13:27.21 | ma3x | you know like those demos with instructions |
| 13:27.36 | ma3x | because im trying to provide technical support with troubleshooting video |
| 13:27.40 | ma3x | to say what's wrong with the site |
| 13:27.55 | jelly | so you want to record a video of your desktop actions |
| 13:27.56 | abrotman | !info istanbul |
| 13:28.17 | jelly | abrotman: not constantinople? |
| 13:28.29 | abrotman | sing that to timgoh0 |
| 13:28.41 | ma3x | jelly: yes |
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| 13:28.52 | mquin | ma3x: check out http://popey.com/Creating_Screencasts |
| 13:29.02 | liable | !abrotmoo |
| 13:29.02 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 13:29.06 | rvsjoen | shodges_ : what about throwing groups at the require directive, Im not sure you can deny a single username |
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| 13:29.38 | alch3my | heh ;p |
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| 13:29.41 | alch3my | !moo |
| 13:29.41 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 13:29.43 | Warp4 | good morning all |
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| 13:29.55 | alch3my | hahahaha |
| 13:29.56 | Warp4 | ok, i have a question here. |
| 13:30.12 | shodges_ | rvsjoen, that could work, I'll take a look at the available options for "require" |
| 13:30.34 | Warp4 | we are running LTSP under Debian Etch here at work. I have a user that has an issue that everytime he clicks on the K menu it freezes and if he does it again it crashes. |
| 13:31.00 | abrotman | shodges_: did you ask #apache? |
| 13:32.05 | ma3x | mquin: that's kinda complicated |
| 13:32.10 | ma3x | jelly: you know something easier? |
| 13:32.36 | MacGyverNL | -rwxr-Sr-t 1 user user <-- What does the capital S mean? |
| 13:32.38 | jelly | ma3x: no, I just wanted to clear up what you were trying to accomplish |
| 13:32.53 | MacGyverNL | and the lowercase t? |
| 13:33.13 | MacGyverNL | I was under the impression that, well, it should be x... nothing more, nothing less? |
| 13:33.14 | jelly | MacGyverNL: /msg dpkg permissions |
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| 13:33.56 | jelly | MacGyverNL: S = setgid, no group x; s = setgid + group x; t = sticky + other x |
| 13:34.56 | jelly | assuming you know what the usual rwx mean in different places |
| 13:35.40 | MacGyverNL | Yeah, I do. |
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| 13:35.50 | MacGyverNL | Thanks. |
| 13:35.57 | ktwilight | <3 2.6.26 |
| 13:36.11 | ktwilight | any latest news on lenny being stable? ETA? |
| 13:36.35 | wols_ | ktwilight: you should know better than to ask such a stupid question |
| 13:36.47 | jelly | !lenny pool 1 |
| 13:36.47 | dpkg | lenny pool 1 is probably ! rektide=2008-08-21 themill=2008-12-01 dutchfish=2008-11-11 brylie=2008-07-15 <thedonvaughn>=2009-2-05 slxix=2008-10-31 <asg>=argh, not before I finish upgrading the sarge boxes. avu=2009-01-23 Guerin=20090313 chealer=2009-02-15 cydork=2008-12-31 gpm=2009-02-10 supaplex=my birthday jelly=2008-08-25. PerfDave=2009-01-14 witte=2009-03-01, abrotman=2009-04-08 streuner=2009-06-15 |
| 13:37.01 | ktwilight | :( |
| 13:37.10 | dpkg | istanbul: (Desktop session recorder producing Ogg Theora video), section gnome, is extra. Version: 0.2.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 616 kB |
| 13:37.14 | jelly | wonders when Supaplex' b'day is |
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| 13:37.27 | wols_ | jelly: the day lenny is actually released of course |
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| 13:37.34 | jelly | dpkg: you're particularly responsive today |
| 13:37.34 | dpkg | i don't know, jelly |
| 13:37.39 | jelly | exactly |
| 13:38.10 | liable | i think he has had a hw upgrade |
| 13:38.32 | liable | i have noticed that lately too, instant factoid regurgitation.. |
| 13:38.55 | ktwilight | in any case, am glad etchnhalf is around :) |
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| 13:39.21 | jelly | liable: err... [15:27] <abrotman> !info istanbul [...] [15:37] <dpkg> istanbul: (Desktop session recorder producing Ogg Theora video), section gnome, is extra. Version: 0.2.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 616 kB |
| 13:40.01 | liable | jelly: meh, maybe its bandwidth then.. |
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| 13:40.31 | liable | notes that jelly likes proving me wrong :) |
| 13:41.09 | jelly | nah, I was just pointing out the sarcasm |
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| 13:41.24 | liable | what sarcasm? |
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| 13:42.41 | jelly | <jelly> dpkg: you're particularly responsive today |
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| 13:44.19 | liable | oh |
| 13:44.41 | liable | it actually has been for me the few times i have pinged it lateky |
| 13:44.49 | liable | lately* |
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| 13:54.23 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:54.23 | dpkg | <gomba> Can anyone help me to solve a light mounting problem? <sussudio> gomba: you turn the bulb |
| 13:54.27 | liable | see! |
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| 13:56.08 | ttl- | greetings |
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| 13:57.07 | ttl- | is there a handy tool to convert outlook 2003 and outlook 2007 .pst files into something i can use like mbox ? |
| 13:57.17 | petemc | imap |
| 13:57.24 | ttl- | readpst does not work for outlook 2003 files |
| 13:58.22 | ttl- | petemc: hmm, i was talking about converting files... |
| 13:58.38 | petemc | ttl-: i know, and imap is the handiest way to do that, imo |
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| 13:58.47 | petemc | ime, not imo |
| 13:59.08 | wols_ | ttl-: use outlook to move the folder to a imap folder on a server then use that to create your mbox file |
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| 13:59.47 | ttl- | ok if there is no other way... |
| 14:00.07 | ttl- | petemc & wols_ : thnx! |
| 14:00.19 | petemc | ttl-: some mail clients (thunderbird?) might be able to do that |
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| 14:00.57 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
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| 14:04.49 | cr3rzemjest | how to avoid "... is a directory" messages e.g. in this command -> cat /etc/* | grep fancontrol ? |
| 14:05.08 | petemc | find . type -f... |
| 14:05.18 | justin | cr3rzemjest: grep fancontrol /etc/* |
| 14:05.47 | cr3rzemjest | petemc, justin, thx |
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| 14:06.29 | justin | you probably want grep -ri fancontrol /etc |
| 14:06.32 | agoodNando | Hello. |
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| 14:07.11 | cr3rzemjest | justin, yes :P |
| 14:07.14 | agoodNando | I have a problem. Some apps take forever to load. (Amarok, winecfg, wine itself). Any idea ? |
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| 14:09.12 | cr3rzemjest | agoodNando, i don't know, but i remember i've had the same problem and it was caused by prelink running |
| 14:09.16 | cr3rzemjest | but not on debian |
| 14:09.36 | agoodNando | Hmm. I had this problem on gentoo as well. |
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| 14:10.01 | craigevil | agoodNando: what release? what hardware specs? |
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| 14:10.37 | agoodNando | Lenny. (my english sucks) "what hardware specs" |
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| 14:12.43 | bolt-work | agoodNando: he's wondering how good your pc is |
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| 14:13.13 | bolt-work | agoodNando: processor, memory, harddrive read speed etc. |
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| 14:13.46 | agoodNando | Well. I have a 1gb ram, intel dual core, gforce 6600 hd sata 7200 rpm... |
| 14:14.23 | saintiss | did anyone ever experience battery meters starting to produce unreliable values, but only after a couple of hours? |
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| 14:14.58 | agoodNando | Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz |
| 14:15.42 | agoodNando | MemTotal: 1035960 kB MemFree: 367200 kB |
| 14:16.34 | lxsameer | can i install apt and dpkg in a LFS system ? is that little stupid to do that? |
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| 14:17.29 | gnat_x | Hi folks. My email provider just renewed their SSL cert, and now mutt is giving me an error: "A TLS packet with unexpected length was received." I believe that ultimately this a gnutls issue, and this bug ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=482279 ), and googling around i've found that a work around is to use a mutt with openssl. however the package with lenny doesn't seem to have it enabled. is there a package that does? |
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| 14:18.31 | ProNoob | chmod 7777 /*/*/* |
| 14:18.38 | ProNoob | anyone got an idea how to undo the damage ? |
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| 14:19.35 | lxsameer | ProNoob: where do u do that (path)? |
| 14:19.42 | liable | saintiss: are you talking about the eee? |
| 14:19.59 | saintiss | no, this is a sony vaio vgn-sr19vn |
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| 14:20.10 | ProNoob | lxsameer, it doesn't matter unfortunately |
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| 14:20.32 | liable | saintiss: oh, just wondering why you singled me out.. |
| 14:20.49 | liable | saintiss: acpi is a fickle beast |
| 14:20.58 | lxsameer | ProNoob: yeah i u start the path with / so .... u do bad my friend |
| 14:21.06 | ProNoob | not me |
| 14:21.09 | saintiss | liable, did I single you out? |
| 14:21.21 | saintiss | saintiss, yes, acpi is indeed :) |
| 14:22.00 | bolt-work | !tell lxsameer about u |
| 14:22.12 | liable | saintiss: you talked to me without any previous conversation, so yeah, i was wondering why you addressed me. :) |
| 14:22.33 | liable | i vaguely recall talking to you before though |
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| 14:22.52 | saintiss | liable, hmm, looking at what I wrote, I don't see your name in there though :s |
| 14:22.55 | liable | thought it must have been eee related |
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| 14:22.59 | saintiss | liable, we probably did :) |
| 14:23.44 | liable | saintiss: doh, you said reliable, and that highlighted my nick :) |
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| 14:23.59 | saintiss | ahh, that explains :) |
| 14:24.09 | bolt-work | your nick-detection is unreliable |
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| 14:24.26 | saintiss | you could be held liable in court! ;) |
| 14:24.32 | liable | bolt-work: why are you addressing me? /me runs |
| 14:24.39 | saintiss | lol |
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| 14:24.47 | bolt-work | ?! |
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| 14:26.01 | bolt-work | cries |
| 14:26.14 | liable | giggles |
| 14:26.24 | adarta | how can i generate my reverse zone through my forward zone? in bind9 |
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| 14:27.13 | bolt-work | multipliable, cimpliable, appliable, impliable, pliable... |
| 14:27.13 | bolt-work | fine. /me shuts up |
| 14:27.19 | petemc | adarta: do what? |
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| 14:27.38 | liable | assplodes |
| 14:28.06 | pablo | hi, the .xinitrc has to be linked to .xsession to work? |
| 14:28.36 | liable | hmm, assplodes doesnt sound so good |
| 14:28.57 | liable | maybe i just ignore bolt-work |
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| 14:29.22 | bolt-work | noooes |
| 14:30.10 | agoodNando | pablo: Do you want to "read" it with gdm or with startx ? |
| 14:31.38 | adarta | I want to generate my reverse zone through my forward zone? in bind9 |
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| 14:32.06 | Octalot | ProNoob: read the correct permissions from your backups? [this sentence may contain an invalid assumption] |
| 14:32.15 | adarta | petemc, I've a map and I want to make the reverse zone |
| 14:32.39 | Octalot | ProNoob: how many users on that machine? |
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| 14:32.49 | petemc | adarta: im not aware of anything to take a bunch of A records and create PTRs from them, thats not to say such a thing doesnt exist tho |
| 14:33.00 | ProNoob | Octalot, me and the owner |
| 14:33.04 | ProNoob | owner did the command |
| 14:33.08 | ProNoob | second time now |
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| 14:34.28 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 14:34.34 | dazjorz | I've got two Debian systems, both running Etch |
| 14:34.50 | bolt-work | dazjorz: all on one line, please |
| 14:35.07 | dazjorz | ok - I've got two debian systems, both running Etch; Is it possible for me to compile a package on system one, into a .deb, then transferring that .deb to the other machine and dpkg -i'ing it there? :) |
| 14:35.21 | bolt-work | dazjorz: sure |
| 14:35.32 | bolt-work | dazjorz: that's how deb's work |
| 14:35.36 | dazjorz | OK - but the package doesn't have a debian/rules or so |
| 14:35.39 | dazjorz | that's the main question ;) |
| 14:35.52 | dazjorz | oh, and problem two: machine 1 is i386, machine 2 amd64 |
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| 14:36.40 | pablo | agoodNando: with xdm |
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| 14:38.19 | dazjorz | let's make this question a bit easier - can I compile a general non-Debian package into a .deb before installing it? (e.g. not using make install to install it, but with the added step of creating a .deb ) |
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| 14:38.44 | agoodNando | pablo: I'm not sure with xdm. I know gdm does not read ~/.xinitrc. But you can go to "preferences" >> startup programs and creat a command to do something for you. For instace, I have /usr/bin/xrdb ~/.Xresources. |
| 14:38.57 | liable | dazjorz: a standard source package? no |
| 14:39.06 | dazjorz | liable: yes, without debian/rules etc |
| 14:39.25 | paxcoder | hello. can someone help me, i want to install GNU/Hurd |
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| 14:39.45 | liable | dazjorz: no |
| 14:40.06 | paxcoder | Can I install it to the USB (maybe just as a partition, while booting from hdd?), and how to use crosshurd? |
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| 14:40.58 | pablo | agoodNando: ok thx |
| 14:41.11 | agoodNando | pablo: If you are using gnone, of course. |
| 14:41.18 | Octalot | ProNoob: nasty. I'd try reinstalling all the packages to overwrite the suid binaries, but no idea what's best. |
| 14:41.36 | Octalot | At least you don't have users to worry about. |
| 14:42.06 | adarta | petemc, thank! no problem |
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| 14:44.45 | chomwitt_ | hi. in trying to 'apt-get install celestia' i get a 'The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:' followed by a long list (20+packages) among them the gdm!!. Should i proceed? |
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| 14:46.01 | liable | gdm? |
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| 14:46.09 | bolt-work | chomwitt_: probably not. figure out what's happening and why. you probably installed some fake package which required all of those, to get all of them, and then removed that package because of a depencency problem or something |
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| 14:46.18 | dazjorz | liable: so how do people create .deb's out of normal packages then ? |
| 14:46.24 | liable | meta packages sure, but gdm isnt a meta package |
| 14:46.39 | liable | dazjorz: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 14:47.06 | bolt-work | liable: but isn't it required by some meta package, which he may have removed? he said it was just among the packages being removed |
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| 14:47.27 | liable | bolt-work: i guess |
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| 14:48.55 | bolt-work | chomwitt_: if you know which of those packages you actually want, you can probably just mark them as manually installed with aptitude or similar. the others you don't know will probably follow as dependencies of those you know |
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| 14:49.04 | bolt-work | ..or they may in fact not be needed |
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| 14:50.11 | dustybin | how can i upgrade/change the kernel on a PXE boot? |
| 14:50.14 | dazjorz | liable: I can compile amd64 packages on i386, right ? :) |
| 14:50.14 | dustybin | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2008-09-14 20:17 nbi.img -> nbi.img-2.6.26-1-486 |
| 14:50.15 | dustybin | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 5646356 2008-09-14 20:17 nbi.img-2.6.26-1-486 |
| 14:50.21 | dustybin | what is a nbi? |
| 14:50.44 | dustybin | ive removed all 2.6.26-1-486 packages, and installed 2.6.26-1-686 but i cannot get it to boot |
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| 14:51.27 | bolt-work | dustybin: did you put your new kernel on the tftp with the other one? |
| 14:51.31 | liable | dazjorz: i think you need 64 stuff installed to be able to do that. i'm not really sure how exactly you would cross compile 64 on 386 |
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| 14:51.43 | marvil07 | hia ll, I have a debian server that I also want to use like a local package server for local machines on LAN |
| 14:52.00 | chomwitt_ | bolt-work: ok. seems little confusing. i'll try to follow your tips. thanks. |
| 14:52.01 | marvil07 | I see I can use apt-proxy, apt-cacher |
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| 14:53.18 | dustybin | bolt-work: no i didnt |
| 14:53.24 | marvil07 | I've use one of them, and I would want to know if it's possible to use it to serve debian *and* ubuntu local machines |
| 14:54.06 | bolt-work | dustybin: if you want the new kernel to boot, it needs to be on the server so you can access it in your pxe environment |
| 14:54.34 | Displacer | who knows what package provides x86 libs for x86_64 debian? |
| 14:54.43 | Displacer | and is it installed by default |
| 14:54.46 | marvil07 | I mean, is it possible to use one of these to serve different distros debs? |
| 14:54.49 | dustybin | bolt-work: does that mean manually copying files? |
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| 14:55.02 | cr3rzemjest | why is that after resuming my pc from suspend, there is ~30 second delay before fancontrol lowers fan speeds? |
| 14:55.02 | bolt-work | dustybin: or making a script for it. but to begin with - yes |
| 14:55.32 | bolt-work | dustybin: unless, of course, your setup ends up mounting your pxe target as /boot or something else fancy |
| 14:55.34 | dustybin | bolt-work: ok thanks |
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| 14:56.18 | dazjorz | liable: thanks for the help :) |
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| 14:56.59 | liable | dazjorz: no problem |
| 14:58.13 | dustybin | bolt-work: what creates this file: nbi.img-2.6.26-1-486 |
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| 14:59.16 | dustybin | i need a 686 version of that file |
| 14:59.17 | bolt-work | dustybin: i'd guess that's your initrd. mkinitrd in that case. is this debian at all? |
| 14:59.24 | dustybin | yes lenny |
| 14:59.50 | dustybin | jeeze this is complex |
| 15:00.01 | bolt-work | dustybin: if you build your new kernel with make-kpkg --initrd you should get an initrd file |
| 15:00.15 | bolt-work | dustybin: pxe is something to wrap your head around the first time, yes |
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| 15:00.36 | dustybin | bolt-work: ive installed all the correct files on the pxe machine |
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| 15:00.48 | dustybin | should i just copy the whole of /boot into the tftp |
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| 15:01.48 | bolt-work | dustybin: you need an initrd and a vmlinuz |
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| 15:02.28 | dustybin | bolt-work: because there is no grub, what loads first? |
| 15:04.15 | bolt-work | dustybin: you don't need grub for this. pxe loads first and is told by your dhcp server or something else where to get the initrd and vmlinuz files. those two should contain what's needed to mount your root partition, if needed |
| 15:04.43 | vadmeste | cannot stop loving linux.. |
| 15:04.50 | dustybin | bolt-work: ive copied the initrd and vmlinuz 686 files |
| 15:04.54 | dustybin | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2008-09-14 20:17 initrd.img -> initrd.img-2.6.26-1-486 |
| 15:05.09 | dustybin | shoukd i manually delete that link and recreate it pointing at 686 |
| 15:05.15 | navaladi | hi all, i have a strange problem with GRUB in "Dell inspiron 1525". My laptop gets hang when i use `halt` command. |
| 15:05.19 | dustybin | same with the vmlinuz link |
| 15:05.30 | navaladi | i use debian 4.0r4 |
| 15:05.31 | bolt-work | dustybin: are you on the tftp server now? |
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| 15:05.35 | dustybin | yes |
| 15:05.49 | navaladi | Can anybody help me, how to fux this problem? |
| 15:06.13 | dustybin | halt = shutdown |
| 15:06.15 | bolt-work | dustybin: then all you need to make sure of is that whatever your pxe environment tells you to run can be found at the location specified |
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| 15:06.59 | dustybin | bolt-work: do i need to rebuild anything to create |
| 15:07.18 | dustybin | nbi.img-2.6.26-1-486 <-- 686 version of this |
| 15:07.19 | bolt-work | dustybin: basically, if it tells you to look for initrd.img on the tftp server, there needs to be a link from initrd.img to the actual initrd |
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| 15:07.38 | dustybin | ok |
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| 15:08.27 | bolt-work | dustybin: i have no idea what nbi stands for. if it's a custom kernel, you need to build the 686 version to get the 686 version :) |
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| 15:09.47 | dustybin | bolt-work: no custom kernel |
| 15:10.15 | bolt-work | dustybin: where did it come from, then? |
| 15:10.32 | dustybin | bolt-work: it was created when i first installed the pxe files |
| 15:10.33 | dustybin | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2008-09-14 20:17 nbi.img -> nbi.img-2.6.26-1-486 |
| 15:10.34 | dustybin | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 5646356 2008-09-14 20:17 nbi.img-2.6.26-1-486 |
| 15:11.26 | dustybin | there is a debian script for pxe installation |
| 15:11.26 | deathstr0ke | why is this person '_asna_' doing version check on me? |
| 15:11.26 | bolt-work | dustybin: ah. not sure where that gets its kernels from, sorry |
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| 15:12.37 | bolt-work | deathstr0ke: probably scanning you for vulnerable client versions? ot, though. |
| 15:13.08 | dustybin | bolt-work: also this: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 912072 2008-08-28 17:26 System.map-2.6.26-1-486 |
| 15:13.23 | dustybin | bolt-work: do i need to rebuild something to create those files? |
| 15:13.27 | deathstr0ke | I thought as much, but then I thought someone may be checking version for infection, hence asked |
| 15:13.44 | bolt-work | dustybin: if the script can't do it for you, then yes, you need to build them |
| 15:14.08 | mkhlnsh | hody. i wass trying to remove exim4 and i ended up with apt forcing me to apt-get install -f citadel-common and other stuf. wat i really wanted was to purge exim and replace it with postfix and now if i apt-get autoremove will remove at and bsdmailx with citadel stufs. i think i'm more than stuck in this. any ideeas hoe to figure this out? |
| 15:15.02 | mkhlnsh | sorry for typos: replace hody with howdy and hoe with how |
| 15:15.02 | bolt-work | mkhlnsh: there should be no harm in just removing at and stuff and then installing what you want |
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| 15:15.14 | themill | mkhlnsh: use aptitude for such replacements is a good idea. Or just apt-get install postfix should do it too. "aptitude install exim4- postfix" is another approach |
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| 15:17.13 | mkhlnsh | bolt-work, how sure are you that is no harm removing at? |
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| 15:18.08 | bolt-work | mkhlnsh: there's no harm in uninstalling and reinstalling anything as long as you still possess the tools required to reinstall it. and at isn't part of apt-get afaik |
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| 15:18.27 | bolt-work | mkhlnsh: but you should try what themill suggested first |
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| 15:18.57 | dustybin | bolt-work: my dhcp.conf looks for tat file 1st |
| 15:18.58 | dustybin | filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img"; |
| 15:19.15 | dustybin | what the hell is a nbi |
| 15:19.37 | bolt-work | dustybin: as i said, it's your initrd. probably short for net boot image or whatever. not important. |
| 15:19.55 | bolt-work | net boot initrd perhaps |
| 15:19.59 | mkhlnsh | what the @#$% is this? i apt-get install at and it say that will install citadel too o_O |
| 15:19.59 | dustybin | ok ill reboot and see :-) |
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| 15:21.23 | themill | mkhlnsh: at requires some mail daemon. If you don't specify one, it will pick citadel. So install one. |
| 15:21.23 | Warp4 | hi all |
| 15:21.26 | dustybin | bolt-work: it worked, it booted into the new kernel |
| 15:21.29 | dustybin | thanks for your help |
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| 15:21.42 | bolt-work | dustybin: np |
| 15:22.04 | Warp4 | I have a user that has an issue that everytime he clicks on the K menu it freezes and if he does it again it crashes. Whereabouts do I need to look to fix this? |
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| 15:23.13 | bolt-work | Warp4: system logs are always a good place to start. figuring out what's actually freezing and crashing would also be good. "it" doesn't really say much |
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| 15:23.53 | Rurick | Hello everybody |
| 15:23.55 | jhambo | Hi folks, I'm at a hotel in Croatia and file uploads always seem to stall out. This occurs even with scp. Can anyone think of what to try so that I can upload to an ssh server? I've been trying to email a file as an attachment via various webmail but that doesn't work either... |
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| 15:24.01 | Rurick | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.15 | Rurick | i have this message: [XEN]Guest Loglevel: Nothing (Rate-limited: errors and warnings) |
| 15:24.28 | Rurick | anybody can help me? |
| 15:24.51 | et | jhambo: use rsync, and continue? |
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| 15:24.58 | mkhlnsh | yah... so i think i'm stuck with exim atm. not too nice. any way tho change the destination of the mails? i've used postfix some time but since it "can't" be installed i'm gonna give exim a chance... |
| 15:25.08 | bolt-work | Rurick: that doesn't look like a problem. it looks like it's just telling you its current loglevel |
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| 15:25.50 | bolt-work | mkhlnsh: did you try what themill said |
| 15:26.27 | Rurick | bolt-work, the system stop there, say: [XEN]Guest Loglevel: Nothing (Rate-limited: errors and warnings) , [XEN] is relinquishing VGA console |
| 15:26.29 | themill | mkhlnsh: it's trivial to replace exim with postfix in debian. Many of us do it as a matter of course on bringing up new boxes. |
| 15:26.34 | bolt-work | mkhlnsh: if you've decided to give up, prepare to read the exim manual |
| 15:27.13 | bolt-work | Rurick: loglevel nothing probably means it wont log anything and if it returns any errors you wont see them. try raising the loglevel |
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| 15:28.22 | mkhlnsh | checks what he did to be sure didn't miss anything... is not prepared to start reading... ^_^ |
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| 15:35.25 | bolt-work | mkhlnsh: are you unquestioningly following an old howto or something? basically all you need to do to replace exim with postfix is uninstall exim and install postfix, for instance using the commands themill gave you |
| 15:36.02 | petemc | he said he doesnt want to read, probably that includes what people tell him here |
| 15:36.23 | themill | you do need to do the uninstall of exim and the install of postfix in the same command though, otherwise you hit dep problems like he is having |
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| 15:37.30 | adama | I still cannot get this machine to keep the screen turned on. It keeps blanking it after like 20 or 30 minutes |
| 15:37.34 | bolt-work | themill: i didn't know about that - switch to apt, actually. i've just been doing it in two commands all the time. i let exim tear away whatever it requires, and it all gets installed again as dependencies of postfix. haven't had any problems with that approach. i'll be using - in the future, though |
| 15:38.24 | bolt-work | !tell adama about blanking |
| 15:38.42 | mkhlnsh | good one petemc, thanks. :D i did what themil sayd. i think is all good now. the problem wass that i was first trying to remove exim with apt-get purge exim. and after that i was "forced" to apt-get install -f and that installed citadel. when tryed to purge citadel purged at and bsd-mailx too. |
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| 15:39.13 | themill | bolt-work: aptitude++ :) There are lots of nice things like that within aptitude. You can also use _ not - in order to purge not just remove. There are also flags "install and markauto" etc. |
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| 15:39.46 | petemc | exim installed as a dependancy of postfix? |
| 15:40.02 | petemc | surely with postfix providing mail-transport-agent that wouldnt happen? |
| 15:40.32 | geek | its more of a general question but i've got an old box with a fair amount of ram - NONE of the swap is being used and about half of ram isn't either... think its a bad idea to remove the swap partition, or to shink it? |
| 15:40.34 | themill | petemc: no, the problem is all the other things on the system that depend on m-t-a |
| 15:41.29 | bolt-work | geek: depends on whether you'd like to use more ram at some point in the future. i honestly can't understand people's desire to run without swap, though |
| 15:42.11 | themill | geek: do you want to be able to suspend-to-disk? |
| 15:42.28 | geek | themill: considering its role and age. no |
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| 15:43.07 | geek | bolt-work: the box is currently fully set up. so.. i can't think of anything that would double its ram needs |
| 15:43.41 | bolt-work | geek: do you really need the swap space for storage though? something could always go wrong and eat memory |
| 15:43.47 | mkhlnsh | geek, you could use a swap file if you need swap at some point, but that i think is available only on newer kernels... |
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| 15:44.20 | geek | bolt-work: not yet. it just feels wasteful to have a gig and half sitting there doing nothing on a 40 gig drive ;p |
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| 15:45.43 | geek | i wouldn't mind as much if i could find my 80 gig drive |
| 15:47.25 | gnat_x | My email provider just renewed their SSL cert, and now mutt is giving me an error: "A TLS packet with unexpected length was received." I believe that ultimately this a gnutls issue, as i've found a few bugs that all point back to gnutls. i've seen a work around of using a mutt with openssl. however the mutt package in lenny doesn't seem to have it enabled. is there a package that does? is there another solution that doesn't involve gnutl |
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| 15:49.35 | Samuel-NotAFK | Ubuntu is great |
| 15:50.02 | stew | Samuel-NotAFK: please keep it on-topic. do you have a debian related question? |
| 15:50.22 | petemc | gnat_x: ive rebuilt exim to use openssl before, you could try doing the same with mutt |
| 15:50.36 | dustybin | i deleted my /etc/X11 folder by mistake, what package could i remove/install to re-create it? |
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| 15:51.45 | Samuel-NotAFK | dustybin: try purging xserver-xorg and installing it |
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| 15:52.03 | bol_ | Hi |
| 15:52.07 | gnat_x | petemc: yeah, i know i can rebuild it. i just would rather used a maintained package. |
| 15:52.08 | dustybin | Samuel-NotAFK: THANKS |
| 15:52.27 | Samuel-NotAFK | dustybin: purge and reinstall xserver-xorg-core too |
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| 15:53.16 | petemc | gnat_x: i was referring to rebuilding the debian source, but ok |
| 15:53.35 | bol_ | I'm trying with my question today again. I wonder if there is any way to make firefox sticky on desktop 2 in gnome (debian lenny). Now when i open a link in my IM or irc at desktop 1, firefox jumps to the current desktop. |
| 15:53.40 | stew | dustybin: "grep -l X11 /var/lib/dpkg/info/*conffiles" would get you a partial list of packages |
| 15:53.41 | mkhlnsh | bolt-work, themill, thanks. all working good now. good by. |
| 15:54.09 | bol_ | It was sticky before i upgraded some time ago.. |
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| 15:54.29 | stew | dustybin: also do the same for /var/lib/dpkg/info/*md5sums |
| 15:55.06 | Samuel-NotAFK | stew: You're so clever. |
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| 15:58.48 | Samuel-NotAFK | Can /lib be in its own partition? |
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| 15:59.54 | bol_ | Samuel-NotAFK: I can't see any obsticle why not. |
| 15:59.57 | nn | any idea why dist-upgrading on testing would bust ca-certificates in the "iceweasel", even after re-running 'update-ca-certificates'? |
| 15:59.58 | wols_ | Samuel-NotAFK: only if you mount it in initrd: ldd /bin/mount |
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| 16:04.25 | Dan`bed | Enter if you dare: Registrations = free hosting for vB/PHPBB and Moderator www.geotrix.net/forums the future in forums NOW RECRUITING / SIGNUP REFER PHEN0M HEAD ADMIN |
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| 16:04.30 | nn | stfu |
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| 16:08.03 | SparFux | Is there a nice program to view and move photos into seperate directories for printing and not printing? |
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| 16:10.38 | Lagbolt | SparFux, if you are using gnome, gthumb is alright |
| 16:10.56 | SparFux | lagbolt: can it move good photos to a certain directory by keypress? |
| 16:10.59 | |unjustice| | hi, I am trying to build an open-source audio/video workstation to run ubuntu, debian, and maybe mac OS X...anyone know of a non-proprietary audio card that has 1/4"i/o, midi i/o, and won't be insanely difficult to configure with the linux Kernel? |
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| 16:11.18 | ozzilee | I'd like to install the newest possible jvm in Debian, without moving off of Stable. I don't understand quite how to do this. Can I create something in /usr/local/ to contain the jvm and whatever libraries it needs that aren't in Stable? |
| 16:11.32 | themill | dpkg: tell ozzilee about install java |
| 16:11.47 | themill | ozzilee: sun-java6-jre is on backports.org |
| 16:11.47 | cahoot | |unjustice| I'd try that question in #lad |
| 16:12.00 | SparFux | lagbolt: ah, yes, I think it's the catalogue feature. |
| 16:12.08 | SparFux | checking gthumb |
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| 16:12.49 | Nigromante | Hi. Question on lenny: is last kernel compiled with sound speaker support into kernel? I cannot stop pcspkr bell |
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| 16:13.03 | SparFux | lagbolt: I am not really using gnome, just X with Xmonad wm, but I have the gnome libs install ed I guess. |
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| 16:13.12 | Nigromante | (PC speaker ^^) |
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| 16:13.18 | |unjustice| | cahoot: thanks |
| 16:13.36 | cahoot | Nigromante: pcspkr loaded in spite of blacklist? |
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| 16:13.55 | Nigromante | cahoot: yes |
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| 16:14.22 | cahoot | Nigromante: rebuilt the initramfs? |
| 16:14.38 | Nigromante | it did automatically... |
| 16:14.46 | Nigromante | I guess |
| 16:14.48 | Nigromante | ? |
| 16:14.58 | cahoot | !blacklist |
| 16:14.58 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 16:15.34 | themill | Nigromante: is this an HDA Intel card? |
| 16:15.41 | Nigromante | yes it is |
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| 16:16.57 | themill | Nigromante: pcspkr stuff is now managed in two different ways -- pcspkr and also a pcsp alsa card. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2008/09/msg00015.html and thread for more details. |
| 16:16.59 | ozzilee | themill: sun-java6-jre: Depends: sun-java6-bin (= 6-07-3~bpo40+1) but it is not installable |
| 16:17.02 | zamaliphe | etch is now stable ? |
| 16:17.13 | stew | ozzilee: what command did you run? |
| 16:17.13 | SparFux | lagbolt: Yes, gthumb gives a good first impression. |
| 16:17.25 | ozzilee | themill: apt-get -s -t etch-backports install sun-java6-jre |
| 16:17.27 | themill | ozzilee: did you enable the backports.org repo as instructed rather than just download the .deb? |
| 16:17.32 | ozzilee | After adding the repo. |
| 16:17.34 | Nigromante | thanks, themill |
| 16:17.50 | ozzilee | Added to sources.list: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 16:17.57 | ozzilee | Ran apt-get update, then the above command. |
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| 16:18.34 | themill | judd: versions sun-java6-bin |
| 16:18.35 | judd | themill: sun-java6-bin: 6-07-3~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 6-07-4 (lenny) 6-07-4 (sid) |
| 16:18.54 | stew | ozzilee: what happens if you run "apt-get -s -t etch-backports install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-bin" ? |
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| 16:19.48 | superos | Running 'uname -a' on my box shows '2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP' . Does that mean I am running a kernel for multiprocessors? This is a laptop with a Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.40GHz. |
| 16:19.56 | ozzilee | stew: http://pastie.org/281456 |
| 16:20.20 | zamaliphe | what abou side |
| 16:20.29 | ozzilee | I did get an error about not being able to verify the backports key from apt-get update, perhaps that is related? I don't think so. |
| 16:20.47 | themill | ozzilee: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" for us |
| 16:21.16 | ozzilee | http://pastie.org/281459 |
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| 16:22.58 | SparFux | With gthumb, can I define a hotkey to move the actually displayed fullscreen picture to a catalogue? and then later export the catalogue? |
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| 16:23.56 | elux | hey guys |
| 16:24.02 | Lagbolt | hey elusive |
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| 16:24.06 | Lagbolt | elux, i mean |
| 16:24.10 | Lagbolt | sorry elusive |
| 16:24.31 | elux | ive run /etc/init.d/haproxy start, but nothing comes online.. is there a /etc/rc.conf sort of file that specifies which services i want to run? which is why its not loading |
| 16:24.39 | themill | ozzilee: odd. So what's the output of "apt-cache policy sun-java6-bin" ? |
| 16:24.43 | elux | ahh yes, /etc/default/haproxy |
| 16:24.55 | amphi | superos: yes |
| 16:25.05 | stew | ozzilee: what arch are you on? |
| 16:25.19 | ozzilee | themill: Installed (none), Candidate (none) |
| 16:25.30 | ozzilee | stew: Ah, heh, you know... PPC. |
| 16:25.36 | cahoot | SparFux: looks like you can define actions bound to certain numeric keys |
| 16:25.39 | ozzilee | That might have something to do with it. |
| 16:25.45 | themill | ozzilee: ahh... that'll do it to you |
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| 16:26.01 | ozzilee | Didn't even think about that. Options? |
| 16:26.18 | SparFux | cahoot: cool, then this prog is just the thing I was searching for. The ultimate tool for selecting photos to print at a shop :-) |
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| 16:28.15 | ozzilee | I'm not at all dedicated to using apt for this either, I'd just as soon install it from source or whatever's available. |
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| 16:29.20 | themill | ozzilee: you could try backporting the openjdk-6-* packages. No idea how hard that his though... /msg dpkg ssb |
| 16:30.00 | ozzilee | themill: hmm |
| 16:30.14 | cahoot | SparFux: actually numeric key 3 is bound to: mkdir -p %p/approved ; cp %f %p/approved/ |
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| 16:30.31 | SparFux | What is the best way to organize my pictures? I can simply copy the to folders with dates then have them chronologically sorted on filesystem and then define catalogues. |
| 16:30.32 | superos | amphi: Ty, so I got a SMP kernel on a single processor box then. I do not understand that since the package installed says nothing about being SMP. |
| 16:30.36 | ozzilee | I've got to go AFK for a bit, back later. |
| 16:31.16 | SparFux | cahoot: I even think of using the catalogues for my plans. |
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| 16:31.33 | amphi | superos: what is the name of the package? |
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| 16:31.51 | SparFux | cahoot: I can simply keep all the pictures in place and create all sorts of catalogues. Then I can display the catalogues and mark all pictures in them and copy them to /tmp and then upload them to the printing shop. :-D |
| 16:31.51 | cahoot | SparFux: exiftool can create that structure based on exifdata |
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| 16:32.17 | SparFux | cahoot: Wow, nice idea :-) |
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| 16:34.41 | superos | amphi: linux-image-2.6-686 . See http://pastebin.ca/1213760 This is on a Lenny laptop. |
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| 16:36.19 | themill | superos: all debian 686 kernels are smp kernels as of 2.6.(mumble). Somewhere around 2.6.9 I think they made that change. |
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| 16:36.49 | EnZ^2- | hello, i am compiling mplayer for compiz with patch, i get compile error GTK-2 devel packages were not found, which do i need? |
| 16:36.56 | stew | 2.6.17, i thought |
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| 16:37.29 | themill | stew: dim dark history, whenever. certainly before 2.6.26 :) and in fact, before etch |
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| 16:38.24 | themill | didn't have the hardware to cause him to actually care at the time |
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| 16:39.10 | SparFux | lagbolt and cahoot: gthumb is THE tool for selecting pictures :-) |
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| 16:39.39 | superos | themill: Is that all good or should I use a x86 kernel? |
| 16:39.55 | jhambo | scp was stalling. Instead, I tried `rsync --rsh=ssh --bwlimit 400 -h --partial --progress foo foobie@foo:`. But it still stalls after transfering 2 megs! what can I do?? |
| 16:40.15 | superos | I mean linux-kernel-486 |
| 16:40.41 | themill | superos: do you not want SMP enabled for some reason? |
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| 16:41.41 | superos | themill: I only got one processor. So I don't need it? |
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| 16:42.30 | themill | superos: I don't know that it costs you anything to have it enabled, and if you have a reasonable amount of memory, then you probably want the -686 kernel. |
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| 16:43.25 | superos | themill: Ok, thanks. |
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| 16:45.17 | superos | reboots |
| 16:45.41 | uthom | I would like to use a gui tool to change between wireless networks on a etch laptop running fluxbox. I added network-manager then network-manager-gnome and tried to run "network-admin" as root and it gave back a command not found. Is that the wrong command? Did I miss a package? |
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| 16:47.15 | adama | uthom I believe you want to run nm-applet as user |
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| 16:49.06 | braunkraut | anyone aware of issues regarding iceweasel and themes? I'm on the mozilla addons page and themes appear to be available (green add to firefox box) but not a damn thing happens when I attempt to install it |
| 16:49.20 | braunkraut | changed the useragent already to see if that made a difference but no dice |
| 16:49.24 | keith4 | you might need to change your useragent... |
| 16:49.27 | keith4 | oh |
| 16:49.40 | keith4 | download them and install manually? |
| 16:50.11 | braunkraut | keith4: how do I install them manually? |
| 16:50.52 | uthom | adama: thanks, I don't hit that as an apt-get and searching debian.org gives no results? am I being dense? |
| 16:51.22 | keith4 | if you can download an xpi file, you should be able to just open it in gnome |
| 16:51.28 | keith4 | braunkraut: ^ |
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| 16:51.57 | ezguy | any ideas how large is 195293463 blocks? |
| 16:52.17 | braunkraut | keith4: I don't use gnome, I don't like desktop environments. Running straight up openbox with a few shells |
| 16:52.21 | idimmu | depends on your blocksize |
| 16:52.25 | braunkraut | I'll figure it out |
| 16:52.26 | braunkraut | thanks. |
| 16:53.02 | keith4 | braunkraut: i think iceweasel can open the xpi files. however you want to do that, it doesn't matter |
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| 16:53.32 | adama | uthom: network-manager-gnome will provide that command. Did you try running it? |
| 16:53.45 | adama | it's not a package, just a command |
| 16:53.57 | SparFux | In gthumb, is there even a hotkey add and remove from catalogue? |
| 16:54.02 | orgthingy | did anybody ever tell debian to have a nice css/good-looking site? |
| 16:54.07 | orgthingy | seriously :| |
| 16:54.37 | stew | orgthingy: http://lists.debian.org/debian-www if you think you might be able to help |
| 16:54.39 | adama | orgthingy they are too busy making the best Linux ever, who cares about css |
| 16:54.41 | WormFood | this god damn cpu speed shit is some of the most frustrating shit I've ever had to deal with on Linux....nothing will make it work the way I want, short of unloading that god damn speedstep garbage, but now it is stuck on slow speed, and I can't for the life of me get it to go back to normal (full) speed |
| 16:54.45 | dan-ny|away | heyho... how i can install per apt-get firefox3? |
| 16:54.54 | orgthingy | lol |
| 16:54.59 | jhambo | So there's no way to resume an rsync transfer when it stalls? |
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| 16:55.07 | braunkraut | keith4: this particular file is a jar and iceweasel had no idea what to do with it |
| 16:55.11 | stew | dan-ny|away: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:55.16 | dan-ny|away | etch |
| 16:55.20 | orgthingy | i dont know if debian do technical work |
| 16:55.24 | orgthingy | linux kernel dudes do |
| 16:55.28 | orgthingy | but anyway.. |
| 16:55.29 | abrotman | jhambo: hit ctrl-c and start again |
| 16:55.40 | adama | jhambo: how did it stall? just run it again and it will skip files already transferred |
| 16:55.59 | uthom | adama: thanks, it's taking the command but not displaying, but this gives me a chance to start troubleshooting/learning again from here. Thanks! |
| 16:56.04 | keith4 | !tell dan-ny|away about iceweasel |
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| 16:56.20 | jhambo | adama: it's stalling near the begining of one file (2 megs into a 30 meg file). It stalls at 2 megs every time |
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| 16:56.41 | adama | jhambo you can tell it to skip that file if you like |
| 16:56.48 | orgthingy | Debian is looking for a logo. If you would like to see the current choices or to contribute, take a look at the Debian logo page. |
| 16:56.52 | orgthingy | http://web.archive.org/web/19970502070706/www.debian.org/news.html |
| 16:57.00 | orgthingy | lol, good old days... |
| 16:57.17 | jhambo | abrotman: when I ctrl-c and restart, it starts from zero percent again |
| 16:57.28 | stew | braunkraut: when you install the themes are they showing up in tools->add-ons->themes? |
| 16:57.38 | themill | orgthingy: yes, we know the history of the debian project and its logo. Do you have a question related to debian support that we can help you with? |
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| 16:57.54 | orgthingy | themill : no, just remembering good old days :P |
| 16:57.59 | SidGBF | Damn... work on centos is soooo revolting... |
| 16:58.23 | SidGBF | it should be named CripledOS... |
| 16:58.29 | stew | SidGBF: wrong channel |
| 16:58.55 | SidGBF | stew: sorry... just that I really love using debian :s |
| 16:58.56 | braunkraut | stew: they don't install period |
| 16:59.08 | braunkraut | stew: I click on add to firefox and nothing happens. |
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| 16:59.25 | braunkraut | stew: I can install themes from third party sites though, not from addons.mozilla.org |
| 16:59.31 | stew | braunkraut: are you checking in tools->add-ons-themes? or how are you determining whether or not something happens? |
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| 17:01.26 | braunkraut | stew: how about the software installation manager not popping up? |
| 17:01.46 | stew | braunkraut: i dont' know |
| 17:01.54 | braunkraut | stew: that's what I'm saying. |
| 17:02.07 | braunkraut | stew: the software installation dialogue never pops up, nothing gets installed. |
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| 17:02.25 | SparFux | What a pity, gthumb cannot define hotkeys to remove an image from a catalogue. I love the gimp feature of pressing keys in menus and thus defining shortcuts for the currently marked menu entry :-\ |
| 17:03.07 | jhambo | So there's no way to resume a transfer of a single file with rsync? |
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| 17:04.51 | mquin | jhambo: if you restart rsync it will only transfer the blocks that it needs to |
| 17:05.16 | simonrvn | SparFux: that's a gtk thing |
| 17:05.35 | SparFux | simonrvn: gthumb uses gtk, so can I use this feature with gthumb? |
| 17:05.42 | simonrvn | "editable menu accelerators" |
| 17:06.02 | zinx | the software may need to enable it |
| 17:06.18 | jhambo | mquin: that doesn't seem to be the case. It restarts at zero percent each time... |
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| 17:06.30 | simonrvn | ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 17:06.41 | amphi | SparFux: you can enable t gtk-wide in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
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| 17:07.10 | AvK | hi |
| 17:07.33 | SparFux | amphi: aha, I have disabled it?!!! |
| 17:07.39 | simonrvn | ~/.gtkrc-2.0.mine -> gtk-can-change-accels = 1 |
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| 17:08.02 | AvK | can you tell me what was the name of package that make mp3 run |
| 17:08.09 | simonrvn | include "/home/YOURUSER/.gtkrc-2.0.mine" |
| 17:08.13 | AvK | makes* |
| 17:08.22 | simonrvn | mp3s don't run, they're played |
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| 17:08.41 | simonrvn | they can't even walk |
| 17:08.46 | AvK | i want to run my mp3, i do not know what drivers/package i have to installl |
| 17:08.50 | AvK | install* |
| 17:09.04 | rgr | does anyone know why the file /etc/DIR_COLORS is missing from Debian? |
| 17:09.12 | simonrvn | working sound, and a player ... |
| 17:09.21 | simonrvn | !tell AvK -about search |
| 17:09.49 | abrotman | jhambo: i do it all the time |
| 17:09.59 | abrotman | jhambo: or is this one huge file? |
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| 17:10.29 | stew | AvK: what are you wanting to do? play mp3s? decode them? create them? |
| 17:10.46 | AvK | i mean pendrive |
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| 17:11.03 | stew | AvK: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:11.32 | AvK | i have pendrive that run mp3 and can else store same files, |
| 17:11.47 | AvK | i just want to open this pendrive |
| 17:11.48 | jhambo | abrotman: it's only 30 megs |
| 17:11.58 | themill | rgr: it's not needed |
| 17:12.04 | pzn | I need to do "atomic" file transfers using ftp, despite of the server being used. I tought of something similar to "ncftpput", but that does this: "put filename.tmp" and "rename filename.tmp filename". does anyone knows a package to help me to do it? thanks in advance |
| 17:12.11 | SparFux | simonrvn: Ah, it's .gtkrc.mine here. |
| 17:12.29 | rgr | themill: I thought I needed it. What is its replacement? |
| 17:12.42 | themill | rgr: what's it needed for? |
| 17:12.43 | AvK | i want see his coherence |
| 17:12.46 | simonrvn | SparFux: include "/home/YOURUSER/.gtkrc-2.0.mine" in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 17:12.52 | stew | rgr: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:13.10 | amar-ze | is there aplay alternative ? |
| 17:13.13 | rgr | themill: the reasons it was created. To provide settings color terminal objects. |
| 17:13.14 | simonrvn | stew: !wayttd ;) |
| 17:13.30 | simonrvn | stew: just that you seem to type that a lot ;) |
| 17:13.38 | themill | rgr: static configuration doesn't need to exist in a file, however. |
| 17:13.52 | rgr | its a default fall back. |
| 17:14.03 | rgr | like a lot of etc files. |
| 17:14.21 | stew | simonrvn: "/completion wayttd what are you trying to do" :) |
| 17:14.28 | simonrvn | :) |
| 17:14.28 | SparFux | simonrvn: hm.., doesn't work. |
| 17:14.40 | mquin | dircolors defaults are compiled into the executable |
| 17:14.44 | stew | rgr: the default fallback is the output of 'dircolors' (man dircolors) |
| 17:14.51 | simonrvn | gtk apps are (still) funny that way, gotta restart them |
| 17:15.16 | rgr | Hmm. Then some stuff with emacs is broken then for coloring inside a shell. |
| 17:15.23 | simonrvn | i think that's getting change in 2.14 (or was it .16?) |
| 17:15.26 | simonrvn | changed* |
| 17:15.29 | rgr | stew : I will look at that thanks. |
| 17:15.39 | stew | rgr: be more specific |
| 17:15.48 | SparFux | simonrvn: Yes, I already reastarted, but it just beeps when pressing a key. |
| 17:16.01 | jhambo | So I can rsync upload anything up to 2 megs but above that my rsync stalls and then I can't resume. wtf |
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| 17:16.55 | rgr | stew: give me a second. I was following a "how to". Its possible they are wrong. |
| 17:16.58 | simonrvn | sounds like a network issue, or an rsync bug (i'm thinking door #1) |
| 17:17.29 | Goldenphoenix1 | hello everybody, I have a problem with dhcp, in my Client-Boxes there are several "dhclient: 5 bad udp checksums in 5 packets" messages in syslog, and they are flooding the network with dhcprequests |
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| 17:18.06 | rgr | stew: in .bashrc are these lines: |
| 17:18.06 | SparFux | menu accle even ddoesnt work in gimp :-) |
| 17:18.25 | rgr | if [[ -f ~/.dir_colors ]]; then |
| 17:18.25 | rgr | eval `dircolors -b ~/.dir_colors` |
| 17:18.25 | rgr | else |
| 17:18.25 | rgr | eval `dircolors -b /etc/DIR_COLORS` |
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| 17:18.32 | amphi | heh |
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| 17:19.12 | simonrvn | weeee |
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| 17:19.19 | themill | dpkg: tell rgr about paste |
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| 17:19.32 | simonrvn | do that again, so you can get kicked again (j/k) |
| 17:20.32 | SparFux | Perhaps I have to restart all the X to activate gtkrc.mine |
| 17:20.39 | simonrvn | SparFux: nah |
| 17:20.53 | simonrvn | you running gnome or something? |
| 17:21.10 | SparFux | or I have gtk1 installed? |
| 17:21.21 | SparFux | simonrvn: I run gtk I think. not really gnome. |
| 17:21.29 | simonrvn | xfce or gnome might be blocking it. that wouldn't matter. |
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| 17:21.53 | simonrvn | (having gtk1 installed) |
| 17:22.19 | rgr | stew: so do I have it wrong? My undestanding is that dircolors uses the default /etc/DIR_COLORS to output the codes necessary to tell the terminal the new colors. |
| 17:22.26 | SparFux | so I have to deinstall gnome. |
| 17:22.31 | simonrvn | no |
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| 17:22.58 | C2H5OH | hi |
| 17:23.10 | simonrvn | SparFux: did you include your .gtkrc.mine in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ? |
| 17:23.33 | abrotman | jhabahheleft |
| 17:23.35 | SparFux | Yes, I did. |
| 17:23.37 | themill | rgr: no, dircolors uses it's internal defaults unless you specify that it should use a file such as /etc/DIR_COLORS or ~/.dir_colors |
| 17:23.42 | stew | rgr: yes you have it wrong. it looks like your bashrc is assuming that file will exist, and you are telling it to use that file instead of using the defaults. it woulnd't exist unless on debian you create it. dircolors has built-in defaults. |
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| 17:24.00 | C2H5OH | is there any difference between sun-java6-jre and openjdk-6-jre/cacao-oj6-jre ? |
| 17:24.01 | SparFux | simonrvn: I double checked, it's definitively in .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 17:24.08 | C2H5OH | apart from the license, of course |
| 17:24.10 | simonrvn | abrotman: hedidleave,yes |
| 17:24.12 | stew | rgr: note that we didn't see the entire contents of that if statement. if you want us to see it, you should put the contents into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:24.31 | simonrvn | SparFux: ok. so start a new gtk app, then edit the menu |
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| 17:24.44 | Goldenphoenix1 | ok, i found a bug report, that says it's fixed in newer kernels |
| 17:24.48 | SparFux | simonrvn: I tried with gthumb and gimp, doesnt work :-( |
| 17:24.49 | rgr | themill: but according to all docs I read /etc/DIR_COLORS is the defaults unless you specify your local one. In other words a system wide config. |
| 17:24.55 | Goldenphoenix1 | how do I install a new xen-kernel? |
| 17:25.05 | stew | rgr: the docs you read were incorrect then, where did you read that? |
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| 17:25.06 | SparFux | gtk-can-change-accels = 1 |
| 17:25.07 | themill | rgr: then your docs are out of date. |
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| 17:25.25 | rgr | As is the debian default .bashrc then. |
| 17:25.27 | simonrvn | SparFux: how odd |
| 17:25.35 | rgr | thanks for the info. |
| 17:25.45 | simonrvn | file name correct? |
| 17:25.47 | stew | rgr: what do you mean by "as is the default default .bashrc"? |
| 17:25.47 | SparFux | simonrvn: perhaps it's something like ~/.gtk-2.0/gtkrc in debian unstable. |
| 17:25.56 | SparFux | filename correc.t |
| 17:26.01 | simonrvn | no it isn't (i'm running it) |
| 17:26.17 | themill | rgr: /etc/skel/.bashrc from debian etch has eval "`dircolors -b`" no filenames specified. |
| 17:26.20 | rgr | stew: it references /etc/DIR_COLORS on my lenny system. |
| 17:26.48 | stew | rgr: the debian default .bashrc would not reference /etc/DIR_COORS. if yours does its because you altered your .bashrc after account creation, or you edited /etc/skel/.bashrc before account creation |
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| 17:26.57 | stew | rgr: can you pastebin the contents of /etc/skel/.bashrc |
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| 17:27.08 | amphi | SparFux: gimp has its own setting for this if I recall correctly |
| 17:27.20 | rgr | stew: I will look at the skel. Maybe its a hnagup from earlier install. Thanks for the info. All is clear now. |
| 17:27.31 | SparFux | amphi: ghtumb doesnt work neither. |
| 17:27.34 | simonrvn | gimp does, gthumb should be paying attention to that file |
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| 17:27.54 | SparFux | have to check this later.I have to go off keyboard. bb soon... |
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| 17:29.21 | amphi | SparFux: here, it works on drop-down menus, but not popups as far as I can see |
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| 17:29.46 | amphi | SparFux: in both gthumb & gqview |
| 17:29.55 | veganlion | awe =[ grub2 cant boot my nondebian linux' says first has to load the kernel |
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| 17:30.08 | simonrvn | amphi: yeh |
| 17:30.08 | lubudubu | hi guys |
| 17:30.31 | amphi | simonrvn: which is something of a PITA |
| 17:30.59 | lubudubu | i need to install kernel source 2.6.22-1-686. How can i do it via aptitude? |
| 17:31.18 | stew | lubudubu: aptitude remove linux-source-2.6.22 |
| 17:31.38 | amphi | perhaps popup menu items can't have accelerators, I don't recall seeing one |
| 17:31.53 | simonrvn | i haven't |
| 17:32.00 | stew | lubudubu: if you unpacked the source, you'd have to remove the directory you unpacked it into as well |
| 17:32.19 | simonrvn | he wants to install it |
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| 17:32.31 | stew | wow |
| 17:32.37 | stew | how did i read install as remove? |
| 17:32.42 | lubudubu | :) |
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| 17:32.45 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
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| 17:33.02 | rgr | stew: where is it best to add custom lines for bash? I would like to leave the skel .bashrc pure if possible. |
| 17:33.04 | SamuraiDio | do some knows a ooo channel? |
| 17:33.09 | stew | lubudubu: debian doesn't distribute 2.6.22 any longer. why do you need the source for 2.6.22? |
| 17:33.30 | stew | rgr: $HOME/.bashrc |
| 17:33.30 | rgr | (the one I copy to my ~ that is) |
| 17:33.30 | SamuraiDio | find one |
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| 17:33.31 | SamuraiDio | i found one |
| 17:33.43 | lubudubu | stew: becouse i`m using this kernel |
| 17:33.58 | stew | lubudubu: you should upgrade to a current kernel |
| 17:34.02 | lubudubu | stew: so i have to update kernel to the newest version? |
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| 17:34.23 | stew | lubudubu: its certainly recommended |
| 17:34.28 | lubudubu | stew: i`ll try ;) |
| 17:34.38 | stew | lubudubu: what made you think that you need the source? |
| 17:34.43 | Balachmar | Can someone help me with automounting an sshfs> |
| 17:34.54 | stew | (most people that ask for kernel source actually need kernel headers) |
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| 17:35.30 | Jemt | Hey. I have created a bootable CD with GRUB. It works fine on a PC (the menu shows), but the menu never appears on a Mac. I get a console instead - this works fine too, but I need the menu as it is more user friendly. Do any of you know what might trigger this odd behaviour ? |
| 17:35.35 | lubudubu | stew: i want to install vmware-tools, and this script need to compile something |
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| 17:36.01 | simonrvn | grub doesn't run on macs |
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| 17:36.19 | metrix | I have multiple machines that need to modify/read the same files and I hear that using NFS can cause issues in circumstances like these. does anyone know of an alternative? |
| 17:36.26 | stew | simonrvn: ppc macs? or does it also not run on intel based macs? |
| 17:36.45 | simonrvn | inhel macs are efi |
| 17:37.01 | stew | simonrvn: what does efi mean? |
| 17:37.03 | simonrvn | you need elilo, unless grub2 supports efi |
| 17:37.16 | simonrvn | bios-like thing |
| 17:37.25 | Jemt | simonrvn: Yes it does :) |
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| 17:37.37 | Jemt | simonrvn: It used to work - I don't know what I have done wrong |
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| 17:38.04 | stew | Jemt: you might try #grub |
| 17:38.04 | Jemt | Ok, thanks stew |
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| 17:38.31 | simonrvn | don't have to chainload to or from efi or something? |
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| 17:38.49 | simonrvn | (ignore me ;) |
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| 17:39.08 | Jemt | Nope, it just worked a few months ago. I really can't figure out what has happend now |
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| 17:46.59 | Jemt | Ah, of cause. I'm holding down the C-key when the Mac boots. That triggers the Console-mode in GRUB |
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| 17:47.37 | Jemt | (that's how a boot-CD is invoked) |
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| 17:48.33 | Zonei | Hi folks. A question. I understand why disallowing root login to ssh is advisable. But, what if public key auth is used? Does it matter? I log in to the server only to do root things, and typing the password over and over is becoming bothersome. I know security has greater priority over convenience, but still... |
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| 17:49.22 | jelly-home | Zonei: when having multiple admins, logging in as user helps in assigning blame |
| 17:50.23 | Zonei | jelly-home: heh, yes, i can understand that, but I'm the only admin. Also, I realize that with public key auth, guessing the username to access with is yet anotehr layer with security by obscurity (since root is always present). However, is public key auth strong enough to allow root logins? |
| 17:51.08 | stew | Zonei: public key auth is very strong. people will not be able to brute force a login using a key |
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| 17:51.27 | screamingbytes | why does gawk have so man -W arg's in the help and man page as arguments? |
| 17:51.45 | screamingbytes | even -v is a -W |
| 17:51.53 | stew | Zonei: if they somehow get hold of your private key, they could brute force the passphrase to the key depending on the length of your passphrase |
| 17:51.57 | themill | stew: as long as the key is random ... |
| 17:52.01 | stew | right |
| 17:52.14 | Zonei | yeah... and for that I use 20-char strings from random.org :) |
| 17:52.35 | keith4 | pwgen ftw! |
| 17:52.46 | screamingbytes | lol |
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| 17:53.37 | Zonei | speaking of which, is there a way to automate ssh-add to fetch the passphrase from a file? I tried piping and routing stdin to no avail. Maybe I'm doing things wrong. I know the inherent risks, but still... |
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| 17:54.14 | jelly-home | Zonei: what's the point? |
| 17:54.35 | Zonei | jelly-home: to avoid feeding it with the passphrase each time I log into the laptop. |
| 17:54.37 | stew | Zonei: just make it an empty password (thereby making it unprotected by password at all) |
| 17:54.49 | jelly-home | right |
| 17:55.21 | Zonei | but that would be empty passphrase for the public key |
| 17:56.04 | themill | Zonei: so you think "they" can get your private key but wouldn't be able to get your file containing the passphrase? |
| 17:56.04 | stew | Zonei: public keys never have passowrd, we are talking about your secret private key |
| 17:56.13 | stew | Zonei: there is no point in having a system like the one you propose. it would be like setting a password on a computer so nobody could just sit down and use it, but then taping the password to the keyboard |
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| 17:56.46 | Zonei | well I'm not worried that someone will steal my key or passphrase. I'm more worried someone might break into the server by guessing or bruteforcing, that's why I use the key. |
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| 17:57.35 | Zonei | But as I said, I understand all the inherent risks. I'm not saying I will use the automated system, I was just wondering if it is possible to feed teh passphrase to ssh-add programmatically, like echo "passphrase" | ssh-add or something. |
| 17:57.37 | stew | Zonei: you can use ssh-agent / ssh-add to only have to enter the private key password once per envirionment |
| 17:57.51 | Leafwiz | I would like to index my debian fileserver, so that I could search the files through a webfrontend. I know there is a program called tracker, but I haven't found a web frontend for it |
| 17:58.02 | stew | Zonei: why have a password at all in that case? |
| 17:58.11 | Zonei | stew: yes, once per login on the laptop, I give long ttl and I can ssh around whole day. :) |
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| 17:58.39 | Zonei | stew: so, no passphrase at al is the same, if my private key is not stolen? no one can bruteforce entry to teh server? |
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| 17:59.03 | stew | Zonei: if you private key is stolen and it has no passphrase then they can use it to gain access to your server immediately |
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| 17:59.43 | stew | Zonei: if your private key is protected by a password available to the same user as the private key, then anyone that can steal the private key can also steal the password |
| 18:00.27 | abrotman | Leafwiz: does htdig do what you're looking for? |
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| 18:00.51 | Zonei | but all that assumes someone has physical access to my private key AND the passphrase. Let's suppose there is no physical access. How strong is the public key auth on teh server? |
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| 18:01.07 | Zonei | I mean, without the passphrase? |
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| 18:01.36 | Balachmar | How can I mount sshfs to a directory in my home dir using autofs? I am able to mount it to /home/username/share/share, but not to /home/username/share... |
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| 18:02.19 | stew | Zonei: if they don't have the private key, they cannot brute force a login to your machine using key based auth (unless your key was generated by the recently discovered buggy openssl) |
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| 18:04.39 | Zonei | stew: I see. Well, I hope that was patched? How can I check my openssl version? I'm totally new to Debian and am learning my way around. Used to opensuse. |
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| 18:05.02 | stew | Zonei: yes, it was patched (/msg dpkg dsa1571) |
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| 18:06.17 | Zonei | stew: thanks. :) |
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| 18:08.35 | SparFux | is back and working on gthumb. |
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| 18:09.16 | screamingbytes | developement? |
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| 18:10.57 | SparFux | nope. |
| 18:11.05 | SparFux | Trying to make the accels in menu work! |
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| 18:13.29 | adama | I still cannot get this machine to keep the screen turned on. It keeps blanking it after like 20 or 30 minutes. none of the things in !screen blanking from dpkg worked. |
| 18:14.27 | amphi | SparFux: they don't work in dropdown menus there? |
| 18:14.38 | SparFux | in any menus. |
| 18:14.43 | SparFux | amphi: I just get beeps. |
| 18:15.00 | screamingbytes | adama laptop? |
| 18:15.00 | amphi | strange; it works here for drop-down menus |
| 18:15.04 | SparFux | Hey! They work in normal menus on top of screen! |
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| 18:15.23 | SparFux | amphi: now it work.Not in right button menus, but in the menus from top bar! |
| 18:15.45 | adama | screamingbytes: no it's an "artigo" - PC the size of half an optical drive. It can be mounted in an optical drive bay. |
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| 18:15.53 | amphi | SparFux: yes; just not in popup menus; I'm not sure gtk supports key bindings for popup menu items at all |
| 18:16.06 | SparFux | amphi: Ah...... |
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| 18:16.20 | SparFux | I am quite sure in former days I defined shortcuts in gimp. But many things might have changed :-) |
| 18:17.22 | amphi | SparFux: I suspect gimp's menus are not exactly popup menus, even if they behave similarly |
| 18:17.38 | SparFux | BTW, do you guys know where to set a feature request to have a move freature like the scrollbars, but no with scrollbars, but with draggin mouse with some special key sequence? |
| 18:18.03 | SparFux | amphi: well, right now the accel menu stuff doesn't work in gimps "popup menus" |
| 18:18.08 | amphi | SparFux: or perhaps popup menu items can have key bindings; dunno - you can't assign them in gqview either, FWIW |
| 18:18.27 | SparFux | gqview... |
| 18:18.59 | amphi | SparFux: does here (gimp_ |
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| 18:20.20 | amphi | SparFux: 'use dynamic keyboard shortcuts' is enabled in preferences->interface? |
| 18:20.38 | SparFux | in gimp? |
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| 18:20.49 | SparFux | ah, yes, that was it. The gimp has it's own feature for this. |
| 18:20.50 | screamingbytes | adama: I have 2 laptops that do the same thing, i figured they were old and needed repair |
| 18:21.10 | screamingbytes | adama: ive always hoped but ive never been able to fix them. |
| 18:21.55 | SparFux | Yes, now it works! |
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| 18:24.19 | zer0h | now do i find out why a debian package is old? |
| 18:24.22 | adama | screamingbytes: hmm, ok thanks |
| 18:24.35 | amphi | zer0h: no; only much later |
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| 18:24.48 | stew | zer0h: which package? |
| 18:24.50 | ax7 | hi |
| 18:24.53 | maplebed__ | I'm not sure anybody here will be able to answer this, but the situation seems a little strange. |
| 18:24.54 | maplebed__ | I'm running etch and have a compile that wants to link against libstdc++5 (64-bit). |
| 18:24.54 | maplebed__ | installing the libstdc++5 package says that gcc-3.3-base is required, but that package has nothing but documentation (according to dpkg -L after installation). |
| 18:24.54 | maplebed__ | Why is gcc-3.3-base a requirement of libstdc++5? |
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| 18:24.55 | zer0h | (why it hasent been updated) im thinking about the miro package its 1.2.3, the current version i believe is 1.2.6 or perhaps 7 |
| 18:24.55 | ax7 | no |
| 18:25.06 | roxy_ | what is the clean way to empty the package cache ? |
| 18:25.10 | abrotman | zer0h: which version of debian ? |
| 18:25.10 | zer0h | really weird im running sid |
| 18:25.15 | abrotman | roxy_: aptitude clean |
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| 18:25.22 | roxy_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 18:25.24 | abrotman | zer0h: maybe the maintainer is on vacation |
| 18:25.26 | zer0h | sid experimental |
| 18:25.27 | zer0h | ah |
| 18:25.33 | zer0h | ok makes sense |
| 18:25.34 | maplebed__ | ::sigh:: |
| 18:25.39 | stew | judd: versions miro |
| 18:25.39 | judd | stew: miro: 1.2.3-2 (lenny) 1.2.3-2 (sid) |
| 18:25.46 | zer0h | see |
| 18:25.48 | maplebed__ | didn't think 4 lines would trigger a flood kick. |
| 18:25.53 | stew | zer0h: is there a wishlist bug filed? |
| 18:25.59 | zer0h | i do not know |
| 18:26.01 | dondelelcaro | maplebed__: it has a bit more than documentation, actually. |
| 18:26.07 | roxy_ | abrotman: to late :-) : E: Unable to write mmap - msync (28 No space left on device) |
| 18:26.09 | zer0h | i do not know where to check, but i can look around |
| 18:26.20 | maplebed | dondelelcaro: are there things in the postinst or something? |
| 18:26.22 | roxy_ | how to I expend a volume ? |
| 18:26.36 | stew | zer0h: see if there is a wishlist bug filed about "new upstream version available" on http://bugs.debian.org/miro ; if not, consider filing one: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 18:26.51 | zer0h | stew: ok i will |
| 18:26.51 | dondelelcaro | maplebed: the main thing is the symlinks that it provides |
| 18:26.52 | zer0h | thanks |
| 18:27.08 | maplebed | dondelelcaro: the symlinks are not listed in the output of 'dpkg -L'? |
| 18:27.26 | dondelelcaro | maplebed: they're the last things listed |
| 18:27.28 | zer0h | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=496874 |
| 18:27.32 | zer0h | yeah there is one posted |
| 18:27.46 | zer0h | Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:54:02 UTC |
| 18:28.00 | maplebed | dondelelcaro: the only things I see listed are in in /usr/share/doc/gcc-3.3-base/ |
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| 18:29.19 | maplebed | dondelelcaro: output of dpkg -L at http://pastebin.ca/1213881 |
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| 18:29.56 | dondelelcaro | maplebed: that version doesn't, but modern versions do |
| 18:30.06 | maplebed | this is the version from etch... |
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| 18:30.26 | dondelelcaro | yes... which is about 20 months old now |
| 18:30.28 | maplebed | pardon the n00b question, but is there an easy way to look at the postinst Stuff a package does? |
| 18:30.37 | maplebed | (and yet, still debian stable....) |
| 18:30.42 | dudeman | yes |
| 18:30.55 | maplebed | I don't mean to say it's not good, but it is the source of my confusion. |
| 18:30.57 | dondelelcaro | maplebed: /var/lib/dpkg/info/pkgname.*; |
| 18:31.09 | maplebed | why a documentation package would be arequirement of a libs pacakge, that is. |
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| 18:31.14 | maplebed | is it "fixed" in lenny? |
| 18:31.23 | dudeman | dependant package? |
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| 18:31.30 | dudeman | that sounds incorrect |
| 18:31.32 | dondelelcaro | maplebed: it's not a documentation package |
| 18:31.44 | dondelelcaro | maplebed: the things that are in /usr/share/doc/ are requirements of any package |
| 18:32.06 | maplebed | i.e. I said 'apt-get install libstdc++5' and it said that gcc-3.3-base was required. this version of gcc-3.3-base has nothing but docs. so I got confused. |
| 18:32.25 | maplebed | is that an error in the packaging of libstdc++5? or somewhere else? |
| 18:32.32 | maplebed | or correct? |
| 18:32.35 | dondelelcaro | maplebed: in this case, it's becase libstdc++5 doesn't include a copyright file, so it has to depend on a package that does |
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| 18:32.57 | maplebed | *that* makes total sense. |
| 18:33.26 | maplebed | wishes there was a 'standard-copyright-for-X' package that it could include instead of some strange seemingly broken dependency though. |
| 18:33.30 | dondelelcaro | maplebed: the "documentation" is just the changelog, a copyright file, a todo, and a readme |
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| 18:33.46 | dudeman | I have a small network of 10 users that do a lot of e bay listing/posting auctions etc. etc. and other paypal stuff and some browsing, would it be advisable to run squid to cache or that only helps on massive browsing and not ebay type stuff? |
| 18:33.47 | dondelelcaro | maplebed: uh... that wouldn't work, because it wouldn't include the changelog |
| 18:33.53 | maplebed | hrm. |
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| 18:34.03 | dondelelcaro | (and it also wouldn't be in the right location) |
| 18:34.09 | maplebed | ::sigh:: |
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| 18:34.19 | dondelelcaro | why are you worried about it? |
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| 18:34.45 | maplebed | I wanted to keep my install "clean" and we're only using gcc4 in this install. I didn't want to have a gcc3 package polluting the instnall. |
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| 18:35.10 | maplebed | obviously (based on the contents of that package) it really doesn't matter, |
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| 18:35.22 | maplebed | but people will ask me down the road "why do you have gcc3 here? get rid of it!" |
| 18:35.33 | dondelelcaro | well, they're silly. ignore them. |
| 18:35.37 | maplebed | :P |
| 18:35.45 | archasis | Can someone please give me a link to the unstable netinstallation cd? I don't seem to find it |
| 18:35.54 | wols_ | archasis: does not exist |
| 18:35.57 | maplebed | thanks for your help, dondelelcaro. Much appreciated. |
| 18:35.59 | wols_ | there is no unstable install CD |
| 18:36.16 | maplebed | I'll go document this so I can say 'rtfw' to the sillypeople that bother me down the road. |
| 18:36.18 | archasis | So I have to get testing netinstall and then change source.list to get unstable? |
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| 18:36.38 | wols_ | archasis: yes |
| 18:36.47 | archasis | Thank you for the quick answer. :] |
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| 18:40.54 | maplebed | hmmm... problem with dondelelcaro's hypothesis: libstdc++5 does include a copyright file (http://pastebin.ca/1213890 updated to show both packages) |
| 18:41.08 | dondelelcaro | maplebed: it doesn't in unstable |
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| 18:41.28 | maplebed | hm. maybe the dependency was added to both for forward compatability? |
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| 18:41.37 | dondelelcaro | maplebed: and the critical package is actually libgcc1, not libstdc++5 |
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| 18:41.50 | maplebed | critical in what way? |
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| 18:42.01 | dondelelcaro | maplebed: libstdc++5 doesn't depend directly on gcc-3.3-base |
| 18:42.05 | maplebed | ah. |
| 18:42.21 | marvil07 | is there a way to flush dns cache on a client machine(not a dns server) ? |
| 18:42.22 | dondelelcaro | well, it does in stable, but not in later versions |
| 18:42.49 | maplebed | ok. good enough, I suppose. |
| 18:43.04 | dondelelcaro | marvil07: clients don't do dns caching. |
| 18:43.13 | dondelelcaro | (unless you've got a caching nameserver installed) |
| 18:43.36 | dondelelcaro | (or you're using an application that does it or uses one of the caching dns libraries) |
| 18:43.54 | zer0h | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=496874 childsplay-alphabet-sounds csound-manpages usplash kstars fam klettres |
| 18:44.05 | zer0h | oops sorry |
| 18:44.07 | marvil07 | ok dondelelcaro |
| 18:44.32 | marvil07 | I suppose iceweasel does it |
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| 18:46.30 | dondelelcaro | iceweasel and firefox do all sorts of odd things with dns, but in general, it doesn't cache either. |
| 18:46.39 | pzn | any package similar to "ncftpput" (full command line options) that I can use to rename files on ftp server? |
| 18:46.57 | dondelelcaro | pzn: lftp |
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| 18:47.28 | pzn | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
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| 18:55.55 | elux | where can i get some information on writing my own init.d scripts? for example, id like to write a simple mongrel_cluster script to start my rails application |
| 18:56.35 | avu | elux, you can use /etc/init.d/skeleton as a starting point |
| 18:56.41 | elux | great. thanks |
| 18:57.00 | avu | elux, maybe also have a look at /etc/init.d/README |
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| 18:57.48 | elux | another thing, how do i add a user that i will use to run servers? ie. with no home directory .. i think "pw" |
| 18:57.56 | elux | useradd ? |
| 18:58.10 | JPT | yeah |
| 18:58.11 | jonny66 | I have a ALC889A sound chipset and i get no sound (spdif is woking though with maplyer -ao alsa:device=spdif). dmesg |grep ALC prints this "hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC882, trying auto-probe from BIOS." Any ideas on how i can get my sound up and running? |
| 18:58.14 | JPT | useradd should be finde |
| 18:58.15 | JPT | fine |
| 18:58.16 | avu | elux, useradd or adduser, yes |
| 18:58.28 | elux | thx |
| 18:58.29 | abrotman | adduser! |
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| 18:58.42 | avu | elux, read the manpage for a comprehensive list of options to set up the new user account to your liking |
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| 19:00.49 | eOliva | I'm trying to install kernel 2.6.22-3-686 headers, but aptitude is saying that it can't find linux-kbuild-2.6.26 |
| 19:00.55 | Gnurdux | how would you pastebin from a terminal, using wget or similar? |
| 19:00.56 | eOliva | I'm using the testing repositories |
| 19:01.04 | abrotman | !tell Gnurdux about pastebinpipe |
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| 19:01.18 | abrotman | eOliva: lenny has a .26 kernel |
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| 19:02.02 | Gnurdux | nc? |
| 19:02.18 | moqq | what's the name of the package that lets me create "virtual" empty package just so i can satisfy dependencies? |
| 19:02.37 | eOliva | abrotman, yep but as my Nvidia driver isn't compiling with .26 headers, I thought might work changing the kernel |
| 19:02.43 | abrotman | !tell moqq about eqivs |
| 19:03.04 | abrotman | eOliva: why not? i'd start with that since if you don't fix it now, you'll be on .22 forever and have no security support |
| 19:03.10 | jonny66 | any ideas? |
| 19:03.11 | abrotman | !tell moqq about equivs |
| 19:03.46 | moqq | abrotman: thanks, just forgot the name 'equivs' |
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| 19:11.49 | abrotman | !qotd |
| 19:11.49 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". at 220 (2008-08-30) |
| 19:11.49 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 19:11.49 | dpkg | <toggle> by the way I don't have man installed.. |
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| 19:16.47 | Legality | hi |
| 19:16.48 | Legality | how can I see if my debian is 32 or 64 bit? |
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| 19:16.48 | Doug52392 | Hello |
| 19:16.52 | Legality | kernel is 686 which indicates a 64 bit system? |
| 19:16.58 | dtcrshr | [Legality]: uname -a |
| 19:17.15 | N1ckR | 686 is 32bit. |
| 19:17.16 | Legality | 686 is a 64 bit? |
| 19:17.18 | Legality | oh |
| 19:17.21 | Legality | what's 64? |
| 19:17.25 | Doug52392 | I'm having an issue with CUPS and Samba. I have CUPS set up to share a printer for Windows clients, but whenever I try to print a file from the Windows computer, I get an error: |
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| 19:17.49 | abrotman | Legality: dpkg-architecture |
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| 19:18.06 | Doug52392 | print_job_start: insufficant permissions to open spool file /var/spool/cups/c00001/smprrnt |
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| 19:19.06 | cr3rzemjest | could you recommend any SIMPLE Netlimiter-like internet traffic control program? |
| 19:19.18 | cr3rzemjest | i've found some but i really don't want to read 10 pages of manual in order to do something that takes 3 clicks in windows.... |
| 19:19.26 | Legality | abrotman: command not found? |
| 19:20.19 | Doug52392 | Where would the default spool file be? |
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| 19:21.46 | mmlj4 | Doug52392: sounds like a permissions problem to me |
| 19:22.11 | mmlj4 | Doug52392: do 'ls -lah /var/spool/cups' |
| 19:22.37 | dtcrshr | [Legality]: i think to use dpkg u must be a super user |
| 19:22.47 | dtcrshr | try sudo dpkg-architecture |
| 19:23.02 | mmlj4 | Doug52392: even better: 'ls -lah /var/spool | grep cups' |
| 19:23.04 | dtcrshr | uname -a shows you the kernel version you are using |
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| 19:24.24 | Doug52392 | It returned one result |
| 19:24.39 | mmlj4 | paste it? |
| 19:25.02 | Doug52392 | drwx--x--- 3 root lp 4.0K 2008-09-29 15:22 cups |
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| 19:25.38 | Doug52392 | I tried printing a test page, but it says the task finshed, but the printer didn't start |
| 19:26.17 | mmlj4 | Doug52392: that means that root has access, and anyone in the group 'lp' |
| 19:26.24 | abrotman | Legality: you spelled it wrong ? |
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| 19:27.04 | mmlj4 | i haven't done printing via samba before, perhaps the guys in #samba can figure it out from here |
| 19:27.28 | Doug52392 | I don't think it's a samba issue anymore, since I can't even print files locally |
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| 19:30.03 | abrotman | lp0: printer on fire? |
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| 19:40.26 | Bombo | how do tell etch to automount an usbstick with fstab settings? |
| 19:41.00 | Legality | hehe |
| 19:41.09 | Legality | seriously, how can I see if my system is 32 or 64 bit |
| 19:41.27 | abrotman | Legality: dpkg-architecture |
| 19:41.28 | Bombo | its mounted automagically to /media/usb when i just e.g. ls /media/usb |
| 19:42.07 | Bombo | i got this in my fstab: /dev/sda1 /media/usb vfat noauto,quiet,umask=007,uid=0,gid=200,user 0 0 |
| 19:42.47 | abrotman | Legality: but if you're using a -686 kernel .. it's a 32bit system |
| 19:42.50 | Bombo | but its still root.root and |
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| 19:54.33 | subsume | I've placed a script in my cron.daily but its not executing. Also, I'm not getting error emails to root about it. |
| 19:54.41 | subsume | Would these emails be sent if the script were not executable or something? |
| 19:55.12 | mimcpher | well what does the email to root say? |
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| 19:55.30 | subsume | mimcpher: ...I'm not getting emails about it... |
| 19:55.59 | mimcpher | Oh, I'm sorry. I missed a word in your message. |
| 19:56.07 | subsume | =) |
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| 20:06.41 | danboid | Could someone please tell me how many packages are in the Debian armel repos now? |
| 20:06.45 | abrotman | subsume: name of script ? |
| 20:06.50 | abrotman | !dstats etch |
| 20:06.54 | abrotman | about that many ? |
| 20:07.04 | Tramp | abrotman: yes, that's his problem |
| 20:07.05 | abrotman | if it shows up .. ever |
| 20:07.13 | abrotman | Tramp: ? |
| 20:07.16 | abrotman | which one? |
| 20:07.22 | subsume | abrotman: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 25345 Sep 25 00:15 automysqlbackup.sh.2.5 |
| 20:07.25 | Tramp | abrotman: I answered him in ##linux already |
| 20:07.32 | abrotman | subsume: no can do on "." in cron.* |
| 20:07.38 | subsume | abrotman: sure. |
| 20:07.46 | abrotman | in the regular crontab you can .. just not in the /etc/cron.*/ directories |
| 20:07.49 | Tramp | subsume: I told you: man run-parts |
| 20:08.12 | subsume | Tramp danke. |
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| 20:09.18 | Tramp | abrotman: sorry, I was confusing. |
| 20:09.39 | danboid | abrotman: Can I use dstats to find out how many packages are in armel lenny? |
| 20:09.40 | abrotman | you? Have you ever tried to have a conversation with me? |
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| 20:09.47 | abrotman | oh whoops |
| 20:09.52 | abrotman | !dstats lenny |
| 20:09.59 | abrotman | problem is .. the bot is going *super* slow |
| 20:10.23 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18631 packages, 1731 maintainers, 41671 MB installed size, 13702 MB compressed size. |
| 20:11.00 | abrotman | danboid: the real way is to get your Packages file and use that for analysis |
| 20:11.08 | danboid | Yes but thats talking about x86 right? THere won't be that many packages in armel will there? |
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| 20:11.37 | abrotman | right .. so get the Packages file .. and use grep on it |
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| 20:13.42 | stew | danboid: select count(*) from packages where architecture='armel' and release='lenny'; -> 13323 |
| 20:13.55 | abrotman | cheater! |
| 20:14.15 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 23271 packages, 1944 maintainers, 60413 MB installed size, 21170 MB compressed size. |
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| 20:14.21 | stew | though that does seem low, huh |
| 20:14.33 | danboid | Thanks stew! |
| 20:15.22 | abrotman | stew: perhaps dpkg counts contrib/non-free? |
| 20:15.33 | abrotman | maybe you are too |
| 20:15.40 | danboid | yeah, why are 10k packages missing in arm? |
| 20:15.51 | abrotman | it cost an arm and a leg? |
| 20:15.53 | abrotman | hides |
| 20:16.02 | danboid | theres not that many non-portable linux apps |
| 20:16.15 | stew | right joins |
| 20:16.27 | danboid | well must be more than I thought |
| 20:16.38 | stew | danboid: hang on, i'm trying to verify that |
| 20:17.08 | danboid | but I've never had probs compiing stuff under ARM Linux so I think it must be down to lack of ARM packagers |
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| 20:21.00 | DimStar | hello.. how would the process be if I'd like to see the library 'libproxy' appearing in your distribution? |
| 20:21.18 | subsume | Tramp: I renamed it to have no suffix. Will this suffice, do you think? |
| 20:21.36 | stew | DimStar: /msg dpkg rfp ; /msg dpkg wnpp |
| 20:21.52 | ProNoob | can i somehow reinstall all packages ? |
| 20:22.03 | stew | ProNoob: aptitude reinstall ~i |
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| 20:22.13 | ProNoob | stew, ~i ? |
| 20:22.20 | stew | ProNoob: ~i meaning "installed packages" |
| 20:22.30 | Tramp | subsume: names must consist entirely of upper and lower case letters digits, underscores, and hyphens. <-- from man run-parts |
| 20:22.40 | subsume | Tramp: yepo, that's what I did. |
| 20:22.40 | ProNoob | so i use ~i literally, stew ? |
| 20:22.41 | DimStar | thank you very much stew |
| 20:23.01 | stew | ProNoob: yes |
| 20:23.09 | ProNoob | ~i or -i ? |
| 20:23.09 | apt | You or -i? |
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| 20:23.31 | stew | ProNoob: depending on your shell and whether or not you have a user named i you might need '~i' instead of ~i |
| 20:23.35 | stew | ProNoob: yes, ~i |
| 20:23.51 | ProNoob | hmm, ok |
| 20:23.53 | stew | ProNoob: you can "aptitude search '~i'" to see what it would reinstall |
| 20:24.05 | Tramp | subsume: also, if you check this manpage, you find that there is a "--test" option, if you want to make sure. And if your cron-settings are ok, I see no reason why it should not run |
| 20:24.15 | subsume | Tramp: cool. I will try test. |
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| 20:25.00 | networked | is there a configuration tool on debian to configure the x server and display |
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| 20:25.26 | wols_ | !tell networked about drxx |
| 20:25.26 | ProNoob | stew, i am in a rescue system currently, will just chrooting to the old disk work for doing that ? |
| 20:25.29 | wols_ | networked: if it's etch |
| 20:25.30 | subsume | tramp we'll see. Thanks bub. |
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| 20:25.39 | stew | danboid: i checked another database and came up with the same number of packages. however, i only come up with 14892 for i386, as well |
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| 20:25.55 | cremetorte | hi where can i ask a question handling with "postfix courier tls mysql mailserver" ? |
| 20:25.56 | stew | ProNoob: it should. why are you reinstalling packages though? |
| 20:26.10 | networked | wols_ great thanks for the info.. i'm not in front of the system right now but I will definitely try it out, thanks again |
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| 20:26.43 | ProNoob | stew, idiot server owner did a kamikaze chmod 7777 /*/*/* |
| 20:27.25 | stew | ProNoob: oh, well a reinstall of every pacakges isn't going to be all you have to do then |
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| 20:27.41 | ProNoob | hmm, why not ? |
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| 20:28.12 | stew | ProNoob: it wouldn't help conffiles (many things in /etc), logs in /var/log, maybe other files in, /var/spool, /var/lib |
| 20:28.40 | ProNoob | hmm, shouldn't it ask me to replace or keep the configs in etc ? |
| 20:28.46 | stew | ProNoob: nor would it fix anything in /home, /usr/local, /opt... |
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| 20:29.57 | ProNoob | yeah, ok |
| 20:30.04 | stew | ProNoob: in general, a reinstall wouldn't. and you've made local changes, so you wouldn't want them all replaced. |
| 20:30.16 | ProNoob | no, not many changes |
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| 20:31.03 | ProNoob | what would you do, seems i need to rescue the bits and pieces i need manually and then reinstall |
| 20:31.04 | stew | ProNoob: your best course is probably to start over |
| 20:31.12 | ProNoob | yup |
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| 20:31.17 | stew | ProNoob: yeah, that's what I'd recommend |
| 20:31.35 | stew | ProNoob: along with a good scolding, which I'm assuming has already happened :) |
| 20:32.32 | ProNoob | well |
| 20:32.42 | ProNoob | i did that already |
| 20:32.47 | ProNoob | two months ago |
| 20:32.54 | ProNoob | when he did exactly the same command the last time |
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| 20:36.30 | ProNoob | stew, happen to know how to install testing on a partition i mount ? |
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| 20:36.51 | stew | ProNoob: with debootstrap |
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| 20:40.51 | Zeroyez | How can I stop my network controller from sleeping after some inactivity in etch and a half? |
| 20:41.31 | Zeroyez | Cause when the network controller sleeps, OpenSSH freezes, as well as MySQL |
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| 20:46.01 | agnitio | is there any way to see what process is locking /dev/dsp? |
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| 20:46.29 | format_c | agnitio, lsof | grep /dev/dsp |
| 20:47.22 | agnitio | thanks |
| 20:47.33 | format_c | np |
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| 20:48.57 | Penol | How to get crontabs to check if sc_serv is runinng and start it if not? |
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| 20:53.35 | stew | Penol: take a look at monit |
| 20:53.47 | Penol | monit? |
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| 20:54.17 | stew | judd: info monit |
| 20:54.17 | judd | stew: monit (admin): is optional; Version: 1:4.8.1-2.1; Size: 254726 ; Installed: 664 -- A utility for monitoring and managing daemons or similar programs |
| 20:54.29 | ProNoob | stew, when i debootstrap to a partition, how do i get the bootloader fixed ? |
| 20:55.27 | stew | ProNoob: you'd have to install one by hand. there are a bunch of things you have to do by hand when you use debootstrap, like /etc/fstab, /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/hostname |
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| 21:02.10 | supersoundguy | does anyone have any experience with any groupware software? |
| 21:02.31 | mimcpher | I have a bit supersoundguy |
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| 21:03.07 | ProNoob | stew, i think the old system was using lilo or something strange custom to boot, you got any idea how i could gather info on that ? |
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| 21:03.32 | supersoundguy | mimcpher: what do you use, and would you recommend it? i'm shopping around for a solution at the moment |
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| 21:04.09 | mimcpher | supersoundguy, I've tried OpenGroupWare, Sogo, and Zimbra. |
| 21:04.24 | mimcpher | I left the organization shortly after they decided to go with Zimbra. |
| 21:04.47 | mimcpher | Sogo was the second best in our opinion, but it had stability problems. |
| 21:04.48 | adama | I still cannot get this machine to keep the screen turned on. It keeps blanking it after like 20 or 30 minutes. none of the things in !screen blanking from dpkg worked. |
| 21:04.50 | stew | ProNoob: somethign like "dd if=/dev/hda count=1 | strings" and look for LILO or GRUB. (this will look at the boot sector of the sda hard drive) |
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| 21:05.18 | speedport701 | test |
| 21:05.25 | mimcpher | tset |
| 21:05.32 | speedport701 | hello |
| 21:05.45 | simonrvn | yes, we see you |
| 21:05.48 | simonrvn | hi |
| 21:06.14 | speedport701 | that's good |
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| 21:07.31 | mst__ | Has anyone ever heard of Debian (but not Ubuntu, haven't tried other distros) hanging at "loading kernel" untill you push the power button once, then being booting just fine? |
| 21:07.49 | simonrvn | adama: turn dpms off explicitly in xorg.conf? |
| 21:08.05 | adama | simonrvn: I;ll try that |
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| 21:08.20 | simonrvn | mst__: no, but the bts has probably |
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| 21:09.31 | EugenMayer | hello people. Iam using Exim + spamassassin on a etch server ( stable ). Till a bit of a month, spam is really getting bad. could it be that spamassassin is kind of not updated or something ? |
| 21:09.43 | adama | simonrvn: that would be in "monitor" section: Option "DPMS" "off" ? |
| 21:09.58 | Penol | How to get crontabs to check if sc_serv is runinng and start it if not? |
| 21:10.08 | simonrvn | i believe so yes. check the man to make sure. |
| 21:10.23 | EugenMayer | Penol: use nagos or similar. thats not a contab task |
| 21:10.29 | simonrvn | Penol: make a script to do that and run the script via cron |
| 21:10.39 | simonrvn | nagios* |
| 21:10.40 | Penol | simonrvn: but how |
| 21:10.51 | simonrvn | ...you *write* it? |
| 21:11.06 | simonrvn | or find one |
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| 21:17.05 | yos87 | hi |
| 21:17.45 | yos87 | I have question, how can I resize a ex3 partition without loosing the data? |
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| 21:18.47 | coil7237 | yos87, very bad idea without backing up to media or another partition or drive |
| 21:19.17 | coil7237 | yos87, I think you have to revert the partition to ext2 first, but check with others before doing anything |
| 21:19.23 | OpenTokix | yos87: resize2fs |
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| 21:19.43 | OpenTokix | yos87: you should ofcource have a backup before doing that sort of operation |
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| 21:20.29 | Lagbolt | yos87, i have resized many a ext3. always works. resize2fs and gparted both are goot tools |
| 21:21.08 | yos87 | Lagbolt: can't resize with gparted because the partition i want to resize is the system root directory |
| 21:21.19 | Lagbolt | yos87, you can use a live CD with gparted :) |
| 21:21.36 | yos87 | Lagbold, how? |
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| 21:22.02 | Lagbolt | yos87, download a knoppix gparted live CD or even a ubuntu install CD. both have qtparted or ubuntu has gparted |
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| 21:22.11 | Lagbolt | boot the CD, load gparted and resize away |
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| 21:23.30 | Zeroyez | Is there an error log for when etch freezes? |
| 21:23.45 | yos87 | Lagbolt: I see, thank you very much for the help |
| 21:24.00 | ProNoob | stew, is there a list anywhere for stuff i need to adjust after debootstrap ? |
| 21:24.01 | adama | yos87, there is also a bootable gparted standalone disc, very small to download |
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| 21:24.21 | Lagbolt | yos87, http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php |
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| 21:25.27 | stew | ProNoob: i don't know |
| 21:25.45 | edugonch | hello, how can I do the slim (login manager) to start at the boot, I allready create the /etc/init.d/slim script and works, I can not make it launch at the boot, I try with the command update-rc.d slim start 99 5 . stop 1 0 1 2 3 4 6 . but it does not work, can somebody help me please |
| 21:26.46 | stew | edugonch: does "/etc/init.d/slim start" start it? or does it complain about not being the default? or what? |
| 21:26.59 | edugonch | no, it works |
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| 21:27.07 | adama | simonrvn: it didn't work. monitor blanked again. I have no screensaver package, or gnome-power-manager. |
| 21:27.22 | stew | adama: have you tried xset -dpms? |
| 21:27.44 | edugonch | "/etc/init.d/slim start" works perfect |
| 21:28.07 | adama | I have, also setterm -blank and modified /etc/console-tools/config |
| 21:28.18 | adama | set two things to =0 |
| 21:28.43 | adama | BLANK_TIME and POWERDOWN_TIME |
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| 21:28.52 | Selveste1 | Hey :) |
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| 21:29.26 | OpenTokix | ok, freebsdstuff |
| 21:31.26 | Selveste1 | I have just installed an Debian 4.0r4 x86_64, and every 2. time I try to ping some new IP I get "# ping 10.3.255.100 connect: Resource temporarily unavailable" any Ideer way ? I have iptables v1.3.6 and have not installed network-manager ore network-manager-gnome |
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| 21:32.25 | adama | stew: xset -dpms to be run as user correct? |
| 21:33.04 | stew | adama: anyone who has access to the x server (which the user would) |
| 21:33.04 | jelly-home | edugonch: debian's default runlevel is 2 |
| 21:33.43 | edugonch | thanks, i'll try |
| 21:33.53 | coil7237 | I'm setting a static ip with "exalt" gui. I thought I removed the daemon for dhcp3 some months ago. But I keep getting knocked off line and exalt indicates that it is reset back to dhcp. What is doing this? I didn't remove (purge) the dhcp3 config files, but set the static ip I want in the config file as well. (gnome/enlightenment/2.6.22) |
| 21:35.13 | stew | coil7237: what version of debian is this? |
| 21:35.49 | coil7237 | ubuntu/g/OS |
| 21:36.02 | adama | xset q says DPMS is Disabled |
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| 21:36.03 | stew | coil7237: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 21:36.14 | stew | adama: what driver are you using? |
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| 21:36.43 | jelly-home | !gos |
| 21:36.43 | dpkg | gOS is a GNU/Linux distribution developed by Good OS LLC, based on <Ubuntu>. http://dev.thinkgos.com, #gos @ irc.freenode.net. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 21:37.03 | stew | coil7237: i guess ask #gos, not #ubuntu |
| 21:37.27 | wasynyt | good night people |
| 21:37.47 | adama | stew: intel I think; that is the adapter; there is nothing specified in xorg.conf |
| 21:38.13 | stew | hmm, i used xset -dpms on intel this week sucessfully |
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| 21:39.18 | adama | how do I see what driver it is using? |
| 21:40.14 | adama | lsmod has agpgart .... drm,intel_agp |
| 21:40.17 | coil7237 | stew, well, I've had similar problem on etch when I first installed it last year iirc, and am running dozens of desktops and servers on sarge/etch/lenny, but thanks for telling me to take a walk |
| 21:41.10 | stew | coil7237: well you are asking about why exalt isn't working, and that program isn't in sarge/etch/lenny |
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| 21:41.50 | adama | coil7237: we are not familiar with g/os here. we can't make informed advice for a OS we don't know. |
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| 21:42.14 | stew | adama: /var/log/Xorg.0.log would tell you which driver |
| 21:42.18 | edugonch | ok, I'll try "update-rc.d slim start 99 3 . stop 1 0 1 2 3 4 6 ." but does not work |
| 21:42.22 | stew | adama: (and might be a good place to look anyway) |
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| 21:42.32 | stew | edugonch: are you actually using runlevel 3? |
| 21:42.39 | stew | edugonch: (note that by default debian uses 2) |
| 21:42.59 | stew | edugonch: what does "/sbin/runlevel" return? |
| 21:43.10 | ProNoob | i have a system here that got custom lilo installed, and i want to debootstrap over it, is saving the lilo.conf and editing it accordingly enough ? |
| 21:43.10 | edugonch | let me see |
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| 21:43.43 | adama | edugonch: try just: update-rc.d slim defaults 99 |
| 21:43.44 | edugonch | 2, ok, i'll change it :D |
| 21:43.55 | stew | adama: he doesn't want it to start that early |
| 21:44.05 | adama | mmk |
| 21:44.07 | stew | adama: oh, nm, i ignored the 99 |
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| 21:44.46 | adama | yeah I always use "defaults" |
| 21:45.39 | edugonch | It works :D I have like 2 hours in that and was just a number -_- ....... |
| 21:45.44 | edugonch | Thanks to all ;) |
| 21:46.00 | adama | enjoy :) |
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| 21:48.15 | adama | Xorg.0.log doesn't say much about dpms, just Option "dpms" "false" like I told it in xorg.conf |
| 21:48.23 | adama | it also says Intel driver |
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| 21:50.48 | adama | is there some x logging facility that will tell me what event happened so my monitor was blanked? |
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| 21:52.11 | AB1 | hi all |
| 21:52.15 | stew | adama: /varl/log/Xorg.0.log and $HOME/.xsession-errors |
| 21:53.16 | adama | oo "WARNING **: Unable to start screensaver manager: No screensaver available." |
| 21:53.30 | adama | in ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 21:54.48 | adama | hmm doesn't help... I think that happened at X startup |
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| 21:55.04 | adama | nothing in Xorg.0.log |
| 21:55.49 | adama | troubleshooting this suxs ...have to wait so long for it to happen |
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| 21:56.58 | speedport701 | it is no exit |
| 21:57.15 | AB1 | i am trying to install debian from my usb. but it says error mounting it. what should i do? |
| 21:57.26 | adama | AB1 what is the error |
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| 21:58.01 | AB1 | adama: it just says error mounting the cd image. |
| 21:58.16 | AB1 | adama: i think its not reading back to the usb stick, but to the cd rom |
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| 21:58.37 | simonrvn | adama: bios? |
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| 22:01.05 | gray-- | adama: at which point does the error show? |
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| 22:02.57 | adama | AB1 is having the problem, not me :P |
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| 22:03.20 | gray-- | heh, serves me right for not concentrating ;) |
| 22:03.28 | adama | AB1 yes at what point does the error appear? |
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| 22:03.45 | simonrvn | concentrates gray-- into a paste |
| 22:03.54 | gray-- | :) |
| 22:04.03 | simonrvn | better? |
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| 22:04.17 | AB1 | when i am about to install debian |
| 22:04.21 | gray-- | much better. All i need now is a bevvie |
| 22:04.23 | dudeman | hm |
| 22:04.26 | dudeman | wtf |
| 22:04.27 | AB1 | it checks the cd image and tries to mount it |
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| 22:05.01 | gray-- | so you've booted into the installer and then it's checking it |
| 22:05.03 | simonrvn | !coffee gray-- |
| 22:05.03 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of organic, fair trade Tanzanian for gray--, courtesy of simonrvn |
| 22:05.08 | dudeman | Mets |
| 22:05.13 | gray-- | much obliged sir ;) |
| 22:05.58 | AB1 | gray--: yes, from usb |
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| 22:07.05 | gray-- | i'm no debian expert, but is it possible to get another tty and run a check against the usb filesystem? |
| 22:07.25 | AB1 | tty? |
| 22:07.45 | davidX- | do you use ia64 to install on intel clovertowns for 64bit support or? |
| 22:08.02 | dudeman | last thing I said was that I tried a usb install and it would find my iso but won't mount it |
| 22:08.15 | dudeman | if i try hd-media it wont' find my iso, and if it finds it, it won't mount it |
| 22:08.22 | simonrvn | !ia64 |
| 22:08.22 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64. |
| 22:08.24 | dudeman | so I have given up on those installation methods |
| 22:08.44 | simonrvn | davidX-: ^^^ |
| 22:08.46 | AB1 | dudeman: i see. so i'll probably just install from cd |
| 22:08.50 | gray-- | do you get a console if you do ctrl+alt+f2? |
| 22:08.52 | davidX- | simonrvn: thanks ;) |
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| 22:09.02 | davidX- | can i use that little useful bot of knowledge myself in the future? |
| 22:09.28 | simonrvn | yes, use /msg dpkg |
| 22:09.48 | dudeman | davidX-, /msg dpkg dpkg.web.search |
| 22:09.59 | davidX- | thx |
| 22:10.01 | AB1 | gray--: i didnt try that |
| 22:10.25 | AB1 | dudeman: do you know anything about live-debian install by the way |
| 22:10.32 | dudeman | nope |
| 22:10.36 | themill | davidX-: /msg dpkg bot help |
| 22:10.39 | dudeman | I don't know anything about debian really |
| 22:10.43 | dudeman | I just use it |
| 22:11.01 | AB1 | oh okay |
| 22:11.09 | AB1 | and its super good right? |
| 22:11.12 | dudeman | its ok |
| 22:11.16 | dudeman | it could be better |
| 22:11.26 | dudeman | (I don't have the time or expertise to make it better) |
| 22:11.29 | simonrvn | davidX-: listvals and listkeys to look for something by value or key (key being like that 'ia64' thing) |
| 22:11.44 | ProNoob | debootstrap lenny /root/rowt/ |
| 22:11.44 | ProNoob | E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/lenny |
| 22:11.45 | AB1 | well i tried opensuse..which i think is truely bloated and slow |
| 22:11.49 | ProNoob | can anyone help me with that ? |
| 22:11.52 | dudeman | AB1, ##linux |
| 22:11.58 | davidX- | simonrvn: appreciate it |
| 22:12.03 | davidX- | i run around here randomly |
| 22:12.03 | AB1 | alright, thanks! |
| 22:13.05 | Selveste1 | I have just installed an Debian 4.0r4 x86_64, and every 2. time I try to ping some new IP I get "# ping 10.3.255.100 connect: Resource temporarily unavailable" any Ideer way ? I have iptables v1.3.6 and have not installed network-manager ore network-manager-gnome |
| 22:14.33 | pikudo | hola ... como hago para usar plip point_point? |
| 22:14.52 | amphi | !es |
| 22:14.52 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:15.18 | dudeman | hehe that sounds funny |
| 22:15.27 | dudeman | para plip point point |
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| 22:16.24 | simonrvn | dooda doodman |
| 22:16.35 | pikudo | any link for plip point_2_point connection?, pls |
| 22:17.01 | simonrvn | ask your question |
| 22:17.24 | ProNoob | how do i update debootstrap ? |
| 22:17.48 | dudeman | hehe |
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| 22:18.23 | dudeman | ProNoob, you get a new copy of the package? |
| 22:18.46 | simonrvn | um, why would you need to boot to that deprecated os to install hardware? |
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| 22:19.12 | amphi | pikudo: ISTR there being something at tldp.org |
| 22:19.20 | ProNoob | dudeman, can i get debootstrap in a box ? because i am working from a readonly rescue system |
| 22:19.24 | simonrvn | !istr |
| 22:19.24 | dpkg | from memory, istr is I seem to recall/remember |
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| 22:19.40 | dudeman | ProNoob, tell the entire scenario.. what are you doing and trying to accomplish? |
| 22:19.43 | dudeman | !ask |
| 22:19.43 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 22:20.06 | dudeman | amphi, pin |
| 22:20.16 | ProNoob | dudeman, well, this is a rescue system from a hoster, the hosters reinstall options all wipe the whole disk |
| 22:20.26 | ProNoob | i have stuff on another partition, alot of stuff |
| 22:20.31 | amphi | pön |
| 22:20.33 | dudeman | don't hose it |
| 22:20.51 | dudeman | can your rescue system download from the web? |
| 22:20.52 | ProNoob | and now i want to install lenny, and i can only work from this read only rescue system thats based on sarge i think |
| 22:21.14 | dudeman | yes you can install using debootstrap from any linux live cd or rescue system given you have network access |
| 22:21.14 | ProNoob | yes, i should be able to wget |
| 22:21.27 | ProNoob | how ? |
| 22:21.30 | dudeman | debootstrap will use the debian installer to dl the arch files |
| 22:21.37 | dudeman | when you specify it with debootstrap |
| 22:21.41 | dudeman | you need more than wget access |
| 22:21.48 | dudeman | consult the debian installation guide |
| 22:21.52 | dudeman | !debootstrap |
| 22:21.52 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 22:22.25 | ProNoob | the debootstrap this system has only got sarge |
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| 22:22.40 | simonrvn | and? |
| 22:22.48 | ProNoob | i want lenny |
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| 22:22.52 | dudeman | dosn't matter |
| 22:22.54 | dudeman | you're fine. |
| 22:22.56 | suwro | hello |
| 22:23.01 | simonrvn | so get lenny |
| 22:23.10 | ProNoob | it tells me this |
| 22:23.11 | dudeman | read the documentation please. |
| 22:23.23 | ProNoob | E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/lenny |
| 22:23.34 | ProNoob | dudeman, lol, yeah dude, good answer |
| 22:23.35 | simonrvn | etch then |
| 22:23.42 | simonrvn | then update to lenny |
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| 22:23.48 | ProNoob | simonrvn, no etch either |
| 22:24.06 | suwro | I have an 1TB partition to make - what is the recomended format to use on it ? will have mailboxes mostly |
| 22:24.25 | simonrvn | ok, so do sarge, then chroot, mod sources.list, point at etch, then lenny |
| 22:24.26 | themill | ProNoob: it's backportable. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 22:24.31 | dudeman | suwro, typical file size? # of expected files? |
| 22:24.37 | ProNoob | simonrvn, thats madness |
| 22:24.43 | simonrvn | or do what themill said |
| 22:24.46 | simonrvn | hardly |
| 22:24.55 | simonrvn | i've done "worse" |
| 22:25.19 | suwro | dudeman: small files mostly - mails. Each mailbox will be limited on 100Mb quota. |
| 22:25.25 | dudeman | ext3 |
| 22:25.31 | ProNoob | themill, i am on a read only rescue sys, i can't install anything with apt |
| 22:25.37 | suwro | isnt ext3 slow? |
| 22:25.39 | dudeman | use a smaller block size if you want |
| 22:25.47 | dudeman | (than the default one) |
| 22:26.08 | dudeman | suwro, not really... its good enough for a mailbox drive |
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| 22:26.46 | suwro | dudeman: on the system partition (sda1) is reiser - 1TB is sdb1 |
| 22:26.46 | dudeman | avoid > 80% space used to avoid possible fragmentation |
| 22:26.50 | et | ProNoob: MADNESS? |
| 22:27.00 | dudeman | suwro, RFS I have on /home for 7 years |
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| 22:27.05 | ceil420 | is reiser stable enough for mailserver? |
| 22:27.09 | dudeman | :) its stable enough for you don't wan tRFS for a mailserver drive |
| 22:27.12 | ceil420 | i mean, i hear it's a killer FS, but... |
| 22:27.16 | ceil420 | >_> |
| 22:27.16 | dudeman | ceil420, it is. Its just risking it. |
| 22:27.17 | Ian_Daniher | where are the console fonts stored? |
| 22:27.22 | ProNoob | et, continue... |
| 22:27.28 | doublehp | is it possible to install wireshark without gksu and gnome things ? |
| 22:27.44 | Ian_Daniher | doublehp: iirc, there's a CLI version |
| 22:27.45 | dudeman | doublehp, what does it depend on? if not gksu then simply aptitude -R install blah |
| 22:27.52 | ceil420 | not if wireshark is a gnome app and you're getting the front-end |
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| 22:28.12 | dudeman | man aptitude /-R |
| 22:28.18 | raz | anyone here ever recovered a drive that had the "click of death"? :) |
| 22:28.25 | dudeman | raz, clean room. |
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| 22:28.32 | doublehp | dudeman: http://rafb.net/p/3TdEY744.html - i dont have room for all that |
| 22:28.47 | ceil420 | raz, you can try freezing it, then copy as much data over to a new drive as possible before it totally dies |
| 22:28.51 | doublehp | raz what do you call click of death ? |
| 22:28.56 | gray-- | raz: i tried but failed about 3 weeks ago.... tried putting in in the freezer, but was unsuccessful :( |
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| 22:29.08 | dudeman | doublehp, all the packages with {a} are automatically installed probably because they are weird |
| 22:29.11 | ceil420 | wtf this match just flared up for half a second then went out :x |
| 22:29.16 | suwro | doublehp: use ethereal instead... |
| 22:29.22 | dudeman | !+depends wireshark |
| 22:29.23 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:29.27 | oscillocam | doublehp: Isn't Ethereal like wireshark |
| 22:29.27 | gray-- | raz: also, try tapping it |
| 22:29.33 | raz | well.. dd is copying stuff now, after "clicking" a few times on block 0. i can not run cfdisk or fdisk on the drive, much less mount it. block 0 seems to be killed. ... what i'm wondering now is: is dd merely copying random garbage now or is there a chance that it gets my real data? |
| 22:29.38 | gray-- | raz: and dropping it from a small height |
| 22:29.48 | aes | ethereal==wireshark |
| 22:29.58 | suwro | damn you-re right... |
| 22:29.59 | aes | I think they just changed the name |
| 22:30.05 | dpkg | wireshark: depends on libadns1 (>= 1.4), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libcomerr2 (>= 1.01), libgcrypt11 (>= 1.4.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgnutls26 (>= 2.4.0-0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.20.3), libpcap0.8 (>= 0.9.3-1), libpcre3 (>= 7.4), libportaudio2, wireshark-common (= 1.0.3-1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) |
| 22:30.06 | dudeman | dpkg, you are too slow |
| 22:30.07 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 22:30.09 | doublehp | dudeman: still 41M (instead of 45) ... not better enough for me |
| 22:30.23 | dudeman | as you can see... |
| 22:30.30 | ceil420 | dudeman, what about recommends? |
| 22:30.31 | suwro | dudeman: so reiser is good enough for my 1TB mail partition? |
| 22:30.34 | dudeman | ceil420, -R |
| 22:30.37 | dudeman | don't isntall em |
| 22:30.38 | ceil420 | apt auto-installers recommended packages by default now |
| 22:30.39 | ceil420 | ah |
| 22:30.46 | dudeman | suwro, you decide |
| 22:30.47 | ceil420 | auto-installs* |
| 22:30.48 | dudeman | !fs comparison |
| 22:30.48 | dpkg | i heard filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 22:31.01 | raz | gray--, well, it still does work somewhat. as said, dd is copying along now.. (for 7 more hours :( ). but i read that a hosed block 0 + clicking usually indicates misaligned heads. thus i'm a bit confused as to what dd is reading right now |
| 22:31.19 | adama | why does iceweasel start page = something called Gran Paradiso ?? |
| 22:31.21 | doublehp | suwro: oscillocam ethereal is not installable on my machine (testing): broken deps ... |
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| 22:32.00 | ceil420 | adama, i know, right? |
| 22:32.04 | gray-- | raz: sounds like yours is more successful than mine...my macbook's drive start clicking and pass into the next life. RIP. |
| 22:32.09 | dudeman | adama, its not.. afaik debian iceweasel 3 defaults to about: something |
| 22:32.09 | ceil420 | i just changed homepage to google.com/linux :p |
| 22:32.14 | dudeman | shows debian/icewease branding |
| 22:32.16 | raz | gray--, my condolences... ;) |
| 22:32.24 | ceil420 | dudeman, i get the Gran Paradiso thing |
| 22:32.28 | ceil420 | well, got |
| 22:32.29 | dudeman | ceil420, so change it... |
| 22:32.32 | ceil420 | i did |
| 22:32.32 | adama | dudeman: I just installed it and that's where it took me |
| 22:32.32 | ceil420 | ^ |
| 22:32.37 | dudeman | ceil420, thats the mozilla-firefox start page |
| 22:32.38 | ceil420 | i'm just tellin' you what it defaults to |
| 22:32.38 | dondelelcaro | adama: which version of iceweasel? |
| 22:32.40 | Seb | is there a way to play from a shared itunes library in linux ? |
| 22:32.43 | gray-- | raz: was terrible, i cried for days. well, until i could make it to the apple store on Regent Stret |
| 22:32.43 | adama | 3.0.1 |
| 22:32.48 | gray-- | street* |
| 22:32.56 | dudeman | Version: 3.0.1-1 |
| 22:33.00 | ceil420 | Seb, with Apple's drm? i doubt it |
| 22:33.02 | ceil420 | ;x |
| 22:33.04 | adama | I know how to change it, just seems weird |
| 22:33.05 | dudeman | mine defaultd to about: something |
| 22:33.08 | raz | gray--, lol... well, i'm crying, too. all that rare vintage porn that i'll have to re-download :( |
| 22:33.10 | dudeman | iirc. |
| 22:33.16 | Seb | ceil420: i read that rhythmbox was able to a while ago |
| 22:33.29 | suwro | Sebboh: amarok |
| 22:33.29 | dudeman | raz, inappropriate. |
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| 22:33.35 | ceil420 | Seb, it might be, i just don't like iTunes/Zune Store or whatever |
| 22:33.35 | suwro | Sebboh: amarok |
| 22:33.46 | suwro | damn : give completion... |
| 22:33.50 | ceil420 | with their downloads that can only play on a limited number of devices |
| 22:33.57 | adama | dudeman: this is a base base core bare install of gnome (installed only xserver-xorg and gnome-base, then iceweasel) |
| 22:34.03 | raz | dudeman, ok, in appropiate vintage porn :) |
| 22:34.10 | Seb | suwro: yeah ? |
| 22:34.21 | dudeman | adama, hmm.. I may not be rememberin correctly.. I've never seen that page in iceweasel3 on debian yet |
| 22:34.23 | ceil420 | rare vintage porn is always appropriate! |
| 22:34.28 | suwro | gimme the shared address and port and I'll tell you if it works. |
| 22:34.30 | dudeman | (as default) |
| 22:34.34 | ceil420 | lol suwro |
| 22:34.36 | gray-- | raz: the old hdd is mummified in a dat tape case, air tight, in my desk drawer at work until i get a good idea to save the platters |
| 22:34.40 | suwro | i'm listening radioparadise now. :) |
| 22:35.02 | raz | gray--, tried the freezing thing already? |
| 22:35.06 | adama | yep it's "http://www.mozilla.org/projects/granparadiso/" |
| 22:35.17 | gray-- | raz: yeah, wasn't successful :( |
| 22:35.21 | adama | obviously it won't change if you're upgrading |
| 22:35.31 | dudeman | hmm let me install firefox on a new debian machine and see |
| 22:35.51 | suwro | adama: The Gran Paradiso Alpha build you are using is NOT A FINAL VERSION of Firefox, it has been made available for testing purposes only |
| 22:36.29 | suwro | adama: did you got the package from the website or from ports? |
| 22:36.42 | raz | gray--, eww bad. well, i'm taking two lessons from this: 1) i'll from now on use raid even for my not-so-important stuff (it's really just media and i thought "what the heck".. but well, even that is an annoyance) and 2) i'll stick with seagate again. maybe dumb luck but i've never had a seagate fail on me - this is a samsung... |
| 22:36.49 | adama | I did as follows: apt-get install iceweasel |
| 22:36.51 | adama | on lenny |
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| 22:37.04 | Seb | raz: you mean WD :) |
| 22:37.04 | ProNoob | how do i get a debootstrap backport with lenny ? |
| 22:37.21 | gray-- | raz: see if you can punch the serial number into the samsung website for a warranty claim |
| 22:37.21 | dudeman | ARGH! |
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| 22:37.28 | dudeman | I must have been fucking stoned shitless.. |
| 22:37.34 | suwro | ok so... what is this gran' paradiso>? |
| 22:37.49 | dudeman | I mv the ~/.mozilla to elsewhere and restarted iw, and yes i get the stupid grand something page |
| 22:37.54 | dudeman | grand asshole page |
| 22:37.57 | suwro | gecko replacement? |
| 22:37.57 | dudeman | gah |
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| 22:38.12 | raz | Seb, nah WDs have failed on me, too. it's really wierd. i went through 20-30 disks or so at home and many hundreds at work. everything failed except seagate. truth to be told we had _one_ seagate fail in 4 years but that was over 5 years old |
| 22:38.17 | dudeman | suwro, its just a name for firefox 3 i think |
| 22:38.19 | dudeman | I dunno |
| 22:38.26 | ceil420 | using a different user failed :x |
| 22:38.47 | dudeman | The Gran Paradiso (French: Grand Paradis), the 7th highest mountain in the Graian Alps with Mont Blanc being the highest, is located in the Aosta Valley region of north-west Italy. |
| 22:38.49 | Seb | raz: same story here, except i rate WD > seagate |
| 22:38.55 | Seb | raz: and maxtor at the very bottom |
| 22:39.03 | raz | gray--, i'm not even interested really. harddisks are cheap. it's the recovery time (and potential data loss) that hurts... |
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| 22:39.04 | adama | I don't know what it is... the website is pretty unclear |
| 22:39.06 | dudeman | It was codenamed Gran Paradiso during its development, which included 8 alpha, 5 beta, and 3 release candidates released over 2007 and early 2008. Development continued with a planned 3.1 version codenamed Shiretoko during the summer of 2008. |
| 22:39.24 | dudeman | ahh |
| 22:39.26 | gray-- | raz: agreed ;) but might be nice to have a quick spare :) |
| 22:39.30 | dudeman | FF 3.1 is called Shiretoko |
| 22:39.34 | dudeman | stupid names... |
| 22:39.38 | raz | Seb, yea, everybody has their story. i think there may even be regional differences. in the end it's just dumb luck i suppose. |
| 22:40.14 | dudeman | Version 3.1, codenamed Shiretoko, is planned to include support for the <video> tag as defined in the HTML 5 specification. |
| 22:40.17 | dudeman | wow |
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| 22:40.23 | dudeman | cool, html5 and xhtml2 are coming out |
| 22:40.24 | dudeman | nice |
| 22:40.25 | ProNoob | how do i find out what debian i got running ? |
| 22:40.33 | ceil420 | ... |
| 22:40.36 | simonrvn | !version |
| 22:40.36 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 22:40.38 | raz | gray--, true... but there's always the problem of not really wanting to send in my old drive with all the vintage porn on it ;) |
| 22:40.41 | suwro | dudeman: back to ext3 question - what block size to use? |
| 22:40.49 | dudeman | suwro, default should be ok for you |
| 22:41.05 | Seb | suwro: where in amarok would you browse a remotely shared itunes library ? |
| 22:41.15 | dudeman | Seb, in your filesystem |
| 22:41.15 | suwro | ok - I'll format it asap |
| 22:41.28 | Seb | dudeman: ? |
| 22:41.29 | dudeman | Seb, you must have the itunes library mounted as a udp share |
| 22:41.36 | raz | anyways. thx for the handholding. i'm off for some urban terror now to recover my mood :) |
| 22:41.36 | dudeman | upnp* |
| 22:41.37 | gray-- | raz: very true :) |
| 22:41.48 | dudeman | or somewhere else in your file sytem |
| 22:41.52 | gray-- | raz: good luck dude |
| 22:41.59 | dudeman | amarok can't connect to remote pod libs |
| 22:42.09 | Seb | dudeman: hmm, and what actually allows me to mount this ? |
| 22:42.11 | dudeman | #amarok |
| 22:42.12 | ProNoob | sarge backports still up ? |
| 22:42.14 | Seb | dudeman: i mean, what tool ? |
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| 22:42.26 | dudeman | Seb, hook it up to a machine, mount it, share the mount |
| 22:42.28 | raz | gray--, thx. if i succeed i may write a blog-entry or so about it and announce it here. tricky procedure, involving loopback crypto :) |
| 22:42.32 | dudeman | figure it out, #kde #amarok |
| 22:42.33 | dudeman | :) |
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| 22:43.18 | suwro | seb, playlists, I have there - Sincronize to md, ability to add an address/port etc. |
| 22:43.26 | suwro | seb, just play with it. |
| 22:43.38 | gray-- | raz: sounds like it'll be far beyond my comprehension, but make sure you mention my name when you're rich and famous as a international hard drive recoverer |
| 22:43.41 | dudeman | ProNoob, you should've multipartitioned your vps or whateve ryou have |
| 22:43.47 | Seb | dudeman: hrm, you're actually describing how to locally mount my library on a linux box, and play mp3s that way, but that's not what i'm asking at all |
| 22:43.48 | dudeman | ProNoob, one partition is a horrible idea, insanely horible |
| 22:43.53 | Seb | suwro: k, i'll look into playlists |
| 22:43.57 | dudeman | Seb, I may have misunderstood you |
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| 22:44.03 | ProNoob | dudeman, yeah, i got the data on an extra partition |
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| 22:44.11 | dudeman | ProNoob, so whats the problem? |
| 22:44.21 | Seb | dudeman: no problem :) |
| 22:44.26 | dudeman | ProNoob, install whatever debian you have avilable, secure yoru data and redo it again if need be |
| 22:44.36 | ProNoob | installing from this crappy rescue sys and then getting their crappy custom lilo to boot it |
| 22:44.48 | dudeman | if you have sarge available, install sarge, ocne you get it up and runing, debootstrap a lenny or upgrae to etch then to lenny |
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| 22:44.59 | dudeman | or use what has alreaby been told to you many times by others. |
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| 22:45.02 | simonrvn | we've been over that... |
| 22:45.09 | dudeman | simonrvn, I'm aware. |
| 22:45.22 | simonrvn | ok |
| 22:45.24 | ProNoob | dudeman, the shitty hoster only provides installing while wiping the whole disk |
| 22:45.32 | dudeman | ProNoob, find a new host |
| 22:45.45 | dudeman | ProNoob, #web |
| 22:46.22 | dudeman | (try to get your refund for unsed time if you have yearly thing) |
| 22:46.24 | simonrvn | seriously. get your data off and find another one |
| 22:46.34 | dudeman | unused* |
| 22:46.42 | ProNoob | simonrvn, 200gb |
| 22:46.48 | dudeman | ProNoob, so? |
| 22:46.53 | simonrvn | rsync =) |
| 22:47.14 | dudeman | just go to bed, then to work, come back, do your wife, go to bed, go to work, come back the nedt day and it shold be done |
| 22:47.22 | dudeman | (on a cable 5mbit) |
| 22:47.22 | jhutchins_wk | dudeman: single partition is the intelligent way to go if you have a single device. Multi-part is only smart for multi-device. |
| 22:47.33 | dudeman | jhutchins_wk, not always. |
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| 22:48.23 | dudeman | jhutchins_wk, there are no universal methods. What is needed and/or seems the best solution in the long run is what should be used. In the longrun however, it is wise to use multipartition system as future upgrades/reinstalls could destroy the data |
| 22:48.34 | dudeman | (or cause you to back it up elsewhere) |
| 22:48.43 | dudeman | if nothing else, put /home on a sep partition at least. |
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| 22:51.13 | dudeman | well.. off to php-mode.el I go... bye bye time.. I got two projects to finish :) |
| 22:51.26 | dudeman | simonrvn, don't forget to check out http://www.atirjavid.com when you get a chacne buddy |
| 22:51.29 | dudeman | later |
| 22:51.54 | jon_ | jhutchins_wk: so you've never run out of space due to a log file running over? or a non-root user never ran out of space causing your logs or other system functions to fail? |
| 22:51.59 | jhutchins_wk | dudeman: If you're doing an upgrade/reinstall and you don't have a good backup of your data, how is that wise? |
| 22:52.29 | jhutchins_wk | jon_: Every time I ran out of space, the space I needed was on the wrong partition. |
| 22:52.32 | dudeman | jhutchins_wk, you are correct. |
| 22:52.39 | dudeman | good day. |
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| 22:53.04 | jhutchins_wk | jon_: I believe that's a coralary of Murphy's law. |
| 22:53.13 | jon_ | jhutchins_wk: that's the kind of thing that makes lvm nice |
| 22:53.22 | jhutchins_wk | dudeman: You're correct as well that there's no one true way. |
| 22:53.40 | dudeman | jhutchins_wk, good :) I really must go work :) |
| 22:53.47 | dudeman | Take 'er easy. |
| 22:53.47 | jhutchins_wk | jon_: Every serious computer pro I know says lvm is evil. I've never touched the stuff myself. |
| 22:53.51 | jhutchins_wk | u2. |
| 22:53.57 | suwro | This filesystem will be automatically checked every 27 mounts or180 days, whichever comes first. Use tune2fs -c or -i to override. |
| 22:53.59 | jhutchins_wk | couldn't resist. |
| 22:54.13 | suwro | what is happening if my uptime will be longer than this? |
| 22:54.24 | dudeman | suwro, fsck upon reboot. |
| 22:54.30 | suwro | next reboot will take a wile - hmm. |
| 22:54.30 | jhutchins_wk | suwro: It will be checked on reboot. |
| 22:54.33 | dudeman | ok I'm finally going. |
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| 22:54.40 | dudeman | *out* |
| 22:54.41 | jon_ | jhutchins_wk: "Every time I ran out of space, the space I needed was on the wrong partition" <-- isn't this a tautology? :) |
| 22:54.55 | jhutchins_wk | jon_: Yep. |
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| 22:56.00 | jhutchins_wk | While having separate partitions on separate devices makes sense, because you can replace the device. |
| 22:56.00 | suwro | ok I'll use reiser then. |
| 22:56.18 | dondelelcaro | uh... not a good idea. |
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| 22:56.36 | jon_ | it sorta works with single-partition too... ""Every time I ran out of space, the space I needed didn't exist" |
| 22:56.40 | dondelelcaro | (well, unless you have good backups) |
| 22:57.10 | jon_ | reiser won't be working on it much... |
| 22:57.21 | jon_ | so maybe it'll improve :) |
| 22:57.24 | suwro | jon_: why? |
| 22:57.36 | jon_ | convicted of murder |
| 22:58.26 | suwro | jon_: xfs? |
| 22:58.34 | jon_ | if you have a ups |
| 22:58.56 | suwro | jon_: I have an 1TB partition. |
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| 22:59.11 | suwro | jon_: I guess ups too. - it's on a data center. |
| 22:59.17 | jon_ | then I think you should get a ups anyway |
| 22:59.27 | jon_ | oh, data center? that should be ok |
| 22:59.43 | suwro | jon_: I think they have - it's a dtcntr. ;) |
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| 22:59.51 | suwro | jon_: so xfs then1 |
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| 23:00.18 | jon_ | but no matter what, you should develop and run a backup strategy/plan |
| 23:00.49 | suwro | jon_: I am - I just want to be shure I get the correct settings for this 1tb partition.. |
| 23:00.56 | jon_ | how many partitions do you have? |
| 23:01.12 | suwro | The client requested 1 |
| 23:01.13 | jon_ | such a large partition will be difficult to bakc up |
| 23:01.19 | jon_ | oh, ok |
| 23:01.26 | suwro | jon_: mails 100MB quoted. |
| 23:01.39 | suwro | each |
| 23:02.05 | jon_ | what's going to be on the tb partn? |
| 23:02.14 | dondelelcaro | suwro: I'd personally suggest that you start ext3 or similar over lvm over raid (or whatever) |
| 23:02.38 | dondelelcaro | suwro: that way when you inevitably need to grow this partition, it's trivial. [You can also disable the time and mount based fsck if you want.] |
| 23:03.11 | suwro | dondelecaro: can I use reiser 0 with ext3 on a single partition and if in the future I want 1 more raid do add in array to add it? |
| 23:03.15 | dondelelcaro | suwro: and presumably since you're storing mail spools, you should have the system on a separate partition then the one that is actually involved in the spool. |
| 23:03.25 | dondelelcaro | suwro: you don't want to use reiser fs at all. |
| 23:03.29 | jon_ | lots of folks here will suggest ext3... it's not a bad choice... but Torvalds doesn't like extN, citing size of inodes and some other stuff |
| 23:03.50 | jon_ | reiser4 is bad too? |
| 23:03.51 | suwro | jon_: I dont' like the ckfs option |
| 23:04.03 | suwro | if noone is there to ckeck it on reboot |
| 23:04.09 | dondelelcaro | suwro: it checks itself |
| 23:04.10 | suwro | the machine will stay down |
| 23:04.16 | suwro | until human intervention |
| 23:04.17 | suwro | no/ |
| 23:04.20 | suwro | ? |
| 23:04.21 | jon_ | right, on a 1tb partition, that's going to take an AWFULLY long time |
| 23:04.23 | dondelelcaro | suwro: it doesn't require human intervention |
| 23:04.45 | dondelelcaro | and you can easily disable the checks or use a journaling filesystem which has shorter checks instead. |
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| 23:04.50 | jon_ | what it would require is hours and hours |
| 23:04.54 | dondelelcaro | jon_: not really |
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| 23:05.18 | suwro | dondelelcaro: ok, so raid0 with ext3 on sdb1 -> in the fututre (half yr) sdc1 + 1tb. |
| 23:05.23 | suwro | is it possible? |
| 23:05.29 | dondelelcaro | suwro: uh... you really don't want raid0 |
| 23:05.32 | jon_ | how long would it take, assuming the partition is about 50% full and lots of files? |
| 23:05.44 | dondelelcaro | suwro: if you need speed, use raid10 or similar. |
| 23:05.48 | suwro | jon_: they prezume half year. |
| 23:06.13 | dondelelcaro | jon_: depends on lots of factors |
| 23:06.18 | suwro | soft raid - I don't have hw raid. |
| 23:06.36 | jon_ | it's a data center; they don't have hardware raid?@ |
| 23:06.48 | dondelelcaro | suwro: then you still want raid10, and you probably should spec hardware raid with hot swap drives if it's in a data center. |
| 23:07.15 | suwro | dondelecaro: ok I'll go to document myself. |
| 23:07.28 | suwro | raid10+ext3 |
| 23:07.34 | jon_ | you don't want crappy fake software raid if you're supporting a customer |
| 23:07.45 | dondelelcaro | well, linux's mdadm is perfectly ok |
| 23:07.56 | dudeman | well... ok enough. |
| 23:07.59 | suwro | jon_: i dont have other option right now. |
| 23:08.26 | dondelelcaro | the main issue is that you usually can't hotswap it, like you can with a real raid card and a real backplane. |
| 23:08.51 | chomwitt | why could a packaged that is automatically installed no longer be required? why apt-get informs me about that when i try to install a simple package? (i'm very confused) |
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| 23:09.02 | Orbixx | Is Debian Etch really 3 entire DVDs worth? |
| 23:09.19 | dondelelcaro | Orbixx: for the whole thing, yes. |
| 23:09.24 | dondelelcaro | Orbixx: but you don't need all of it. |
| 23:09.35 | suwro | Orbixx: You don't need the whole 3 dvd's - Just download the net install and follow the steps. |
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| 23:09.56 | dondelelcaro | chomwitt: a package that Depends: on it no longer does (or you've removed a package that did) |
| 23:10.06 | suwro | Orbixx: 1 DVD is with sources only. |
| 23:10.18 | Orbixx | Thanks. |
| 23:10.23 | Orbixx | I think I'll go with the netinst. |
| 23:10.25 | dondelelcaro | Orbixx: you actually can just start with a small netinst. |
| 23:10.35 | Orbixx | Aye. |
| 23:10.35 | dudeman | or a netboot if you have an existing OS |
| 23:10.40 | Orbixx | Sounds like the best option. |
| 23:10.42 | dondelelcaro | (no point in getting all of the DVDs unless you don't have an existing network connection) |
| 23:10.51 | suwro | Orbixx: If you-re new to linux - use an easy distro instead - like Linux Mint or even ubuntu... |
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| 23:10.59 | Orbixx | I'm not new to Linux. |
| 23:11.07 | dudeman | (its good to have a backup debian netinst iso burned to cd) |
| 23:11.14 | Orbixx | I administer Debian servers remotely all the time, I've just never locally installed Debian. |
| 23:11.17 | SparFux | Dammit, I have a 20 GB partition and I don't even know if it is good old losetup encrypted filesystem. |
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| 23:11.19 | suwro | Orbixx: ah - ok.. sorry |
| 23:11.20 | Orbixx | It's always been remotely installed. |
| 23:11.28 | Orbixx | :) |
| 23:11.30 | Orbixx | S'alright. |
| 23:12.12 | dudeman | strange how you've administered them remotely yet not locally |
| 23:12.12 | Orbixx | When someone questions installation, they're bound to get thought of as a newbie. |
| 23:12.12 | Orbixx | dudeman: I'm primarily a Windows user, for desktop purposes. |
| 23:12.12 | dudeman | Orbixx, you can't blame us. :) |
| 23:12.12 | Orbixx | But I guess that's only because I like to game quite a lot. |
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| 23:12.28 | Orbixx | If Linux could suddenly play mainstream PC games, I'd soon throw Debian on my system. |
| 23:12.34 | dudeman | !cedega |
| 23:12.34 | Orbixx | I'm currently installing it on a VM. |
| 23:12.34 | dpkg | i heard cedega is the new name for Transgaming's WineX - a proprietary fork of WINE designed to play Windows games. Limited CVS available at http://transgaming.org/cvs/ but missing key components such as copy protection or installshield functionality, or and the packaging saga summarised at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200205/msg02823.html |
| 23:12.43 | Orbixx | dudeman: Natively, without a subscription. |
| 23:13.06 | dudeman | Orbixx, there are workarounds not dicussable on freenode. |
| 23:13.12 | dudeman | I'm sure you can figure something out. |
| 23:13.20 | Orbixx | I'd rather just play them natively. |
| 23:13.34 | dondelelcaro | it's running natively, just with a different set of DLLs. |
| 23:13.35 | Orbixx | Not worth my time to screw around. |
| 23:13.48 | Orbixx | dondelelcaro: We have different definitions of native. |
| 23:13.49 | dudeman | I play Oblivion and Morrowind and Diablo II |
| 23:13.57 | trpr | all ancient games |
| 23:13.59 | dudeman | they work perfectly without any CD Protection or anything |
| 23:14.17 | jon_ | I used to play oblivion, and nwn |
| 23:14.27 | dudeman | I can't use .exe mods with Oblivion but the game runs fine under Cedega |
| 23:14.42 | jon_ | more recently I've been playing quake4, doom3 and banjo-kazooie |
| 23:14.44 | Orbixx | I have an 8800GTX, which admittedly works in Linux, but the games I was playing with Wine, which did work fine - were not as good graphically as on Windows. |
| 23:15.06 | Orbixx | Linux wouldn't allow me to use features such as antiscopic filtering and such. |
| 23:15.26 | dudeman | #videogames |
| 23:15.29 | Orbixx | Probably more to do with the drivers than anything. |
| 23:15.37 | dudeman | Orbixx, definitely. |
| 23:15.38 | Orbixx | Not Linux itself. |
| 23:15.51 | dudeman | (nvidia is kinda ghoulish) |
| 23:16.12 | chomwitt | dondelelcaro: but a) why could a basic package as gdm and seemingly unrelated packages as eg: ekiga, eog ,evince.. be marked as automatically installed and no longer required when trying to install a pkg as celestia ? and b) if a package was automatically installed when i installed foo.deb shouldnt be removed when i remove foo.deb? |
| 23:16.16 | dudeman | now that my X1900XT works on Radeon driver with 3D I'm happy |
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| 23:16.27 | dudeman | I don't need fglrx or closed source nvidia bullshit :) |
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| 23:17.17 | dondelelcaro | chomwitt: a) I can't tell you why without knowing the state of your system; giving me the output of the command you run, the corresponding outputs of aptitude why and aptitude whynot, coupled with apt-cache policy et al. is a necessary pre-requisite. |
| 23:17.40 | dondelelcaro | chomwitt: b) dpkg (what you use to install a random .deb) doesn't do installation of dependencies, automatic or manual. |
| 23:17.45 | rgr | dudeman: is the Radeon driver you use providing 3d acceleration an is not closed source? |
| 23:18.02 | dudeman | rgr, radeonhd. Yes that is correct. |
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| 23:18.54 | rgr | Out last year? I had already dumped ATI at the point due to lack of Linux support. Good to see they have improved. |
| 23:18.57 | dondelelcaro | chomwitt: if you mean when you install a random package with aptitude and it pulls in other packages, yes, those will be removed so long as they aren't depended on by other packages which you have installed (and provided that you haven't disabled automatic removal, or haven't modified it to use suggests: as candidates for avoiding automatic removal) |
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| 23:19.07 | dudeman | rgr, recent.. summer 2008 git |
| 23:19.22 | dudeman | Last I tried was Aug. it worked fine |
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| 23:19.44 | chomwitt | dondelelcaro: i dont use aptitude, only apt-get , and periodically synaptic. |
| 23:19.52 | rgr | dudeman: yeah, didnt think I had seen them before. I was impressed with nvidia though as they were (in the past) much easier to install. |
| 23:20.01 | dudeman | still have it compiled from Aug. from GIT, works flawlessly however sometimes there are system hangs (it is to be expected as the Radeon-HD OSS driver is not fully stable) |
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| 23:20.19 | rgr | so not flawlessly at al? It hangs? :-; |
| 23:20.46 | dudeman | rgr, it works flawlessly when it works flawlessly, obviously at other times when its not working flawlessly, it can't be flawless. |
| 23:20.56 | dudeman | (I would assume anyway ;) |
| 23:21.02 | themill | Yes, Sir Humphrey. |
| 23:21.32 | amphi | he |
| 23:21.33 | amphi | h |
| 23:21.34 | rgr | dudeman: Strange definition of flawless then :-; I'll give my old ATI card a dust off at some point and would be interested to see the drivers from ATI. Good to know. Cheers. |
| 23:22.06 | dudeman | rgr, old is not a problem. You need to test RadeonHD with a later card, something from r5xx/r6xx chipsets |
| 23:22.14 | Asymmetry | l |
| 23:22.20 | dudeman | for r4x and below there is native 3D support for radeon |
| 23:22.20 | Asymmetry | Oops. |
| 23:22.44 | dudeman | radeon/radeonhd work with all ati drivers now, however 3D is limited to r4x and below natively |
| 23:22.54 | rgr | dudeman: once more. More slowly. Which cards doe the open source drivers work with and what do you mean by native in this instance? |
| 23:23.05 | dudeman | rgr, #radeon #radeonhd |
| 23:23.18 | dudeman | rgr, I'm sure google can answer that, I can't be bothered to type up a long list. |
| 23:23.18 | rgr | will pop in later. thanks. |
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| 23:24.04 | dudeman | (forget I ever said 'native') |
| 23:24.20 | rgr | :-; that was the only word which tripped me up there. |
| 23:24.25 | dudeman | and I don't feel like programing right now :( |
| 23:24.28 | dudeman | rgr, my mistkae |
| 23:25.28 | dudeman | yay, Ramadan almost over, Eid on Wed. |
| 23:25.35 | dudeman | jumps up and down with glee! |
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| 23:26.37 | jon_ | dudeman: is that radeon driver you're using the result of amd releasing the ati specs? |
| 23:26.51 | dudeman | jon_, yessir. |
| 23:26.59 | dudeman | jon_, #radeonhd |
| 23:27.17 | dudeman | !radeon |
| 23:27.17 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphics processing units by ATI. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon, http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeon. For chipsets prior to R500 (ie. models up to and including the X1050), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (all models, usually better 3D performance/features). #radeon @ freenode. See also <radeonhd>. |
| 23:27.34 | dudeman | !radeonhd |
| 23:27.34 | dpkg | it has been said that radeonhd is the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets (http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd). Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' in Lenny. #radeonhd @ irc.freenode.net. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask about <radeon>, <fglrx>. |
| 23:27.52 | jon_ | oh, it's an hd? see I'm using a nvidia now with my asus m2npv-vm but I bought an asus m2a-vm |
| 23:28.00 | jon_ | which has a radeon chipset on it |
| 23:28.12 | jon_ | I've been waiting for a chance to switch to it |
| 23:28.16 | dudeman | however ati/radeon provide basic 2D acceleration for r5x/r6x chipsets as well |
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| 23:28.35 | dudeman | only 3D is provided by radeonhd, however both radeon/radeonhd will run any ati card you own |
| 23:28.58 | dudeman | and radeonHD's 3D support is NOT in debian. |
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| 23:29.08 | dudeman | not even in experimental last I checked. |
| 23:29.10 | jon_ | so what did you have to do? |
| 23:29.24 | dudeman | jon_, build it from source/git, few other packages and xorg too |
| 23:29.26 | jon_ | briefly since it's ot :) |
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| 23:29.38 | dudeman | its not OT as it relates to debian ati support. |
| 23:29.39 | jon_ | oh, ok |
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| 23:30.07 | dudeman | I'm unofficially the debian ATI guy.. according to a few a-holes here ;) |
| 23:30.12 | jon_ | I could do that :) |
| 23:30.31 | jon_ | here's what I'd want to do... |
| 23:30.56 | chomwitt | dondelelcaro: anyway thanks. i'm still confused but for the moment i'm reading the aptitude man pages . seems more powerfull than synaptic and hopefully i'll gain insight in my problems. |
| 23:30.59 | jon_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.08 | jon_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.12 | dudeman | jon_, ... ? |
| 23:31.15 | dudeman | come again... |
| 23:31.35 | jon_ | I don't want to swap mobos and then build |
| 23:31.47 | dudeman | why would you need to replace your motherboard? |
| 23:32.05 | jon_ | 1, I want to drop the nvidia like a rock |
| 23:32.10 | dudeman | ohh |
| 23:32.26 | dudeman | well yes, when you finally get your ati card installed, come here or to #radeonhd |
| 23:32.30 | jon_ | 2, I want to play with xen while I have 3d support |
| 23:32.33 | dudeman | in the meantime consult ##hardware on how to upgrade mobo |
| 23:32.45 | dudeman | jon_, I haven't any experience with Xen. |
| 23:33.02 | jon_ | I know how to do that... it's the builds I might need help with |
| 23:33.04 | dudeman | my cpu doesn't allow i/o virtualization so I can't use 3D accel inside a VM |
| 23:33.15 | dudeman | jon_, the radeon developers are the best help for that |
| 23:33.21 | dudeman | not I, I had to ask them a lot for help :) |
| 23:33.33 | jon_ | how long ago did you do it? |
| 23:33.39 | dudeman | Auguest 2008 |
| 23:33.43 | jon_ | you may be selling yourself short :P |
| 23:33.43 | dudeman | August* |
| 23:33.49 | dudeman | I usually always am |
| 23:33.49 | bopols | I have TWO python versions (2.4 and 2.5) on debian etch. If I install psycopg2 it always ends up in python2.4/site-packages. What should I do so that it will be installed in python2.5/site-packages? |
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| 23:34.19 | dudeman | I know nothing about Debian or computers really. I'm more like a hobbyist newb who knows a bit about somethings. |
| 23:34.19 | doublehp | does wireshark support IPv6 ? |
| 23:34.36 | jon_ | if you're around sometime I'll probably hit you up |
| 23:34.36 | dudeman | doublehp, #wireshark (I'm not sure if it does.. it should though) |
| 23:34.52 | dudeman | if it doesn't, file a wishlist :) |
| 23:35.06 | dudeman | jon_, I'm always here. |
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| 23:35.49 | doublehp | dudeman: gentoo package is sensible to ipv6 ... so, it should :) |
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| 23:37.39 | dudeman | oof! gentoo! don't ever say that name. |
| 23:37.40 | abrotman | then why are you asking ? |
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| 23:39.02 | dudeman | I'm not versed in python at all on debian, but shouldn't there be some sort of ENV var or perhaps an alternative to a default python in etch? |
| 23:39.06 | dudeman | bopols, ^ |
| 23:39.32 | doublehp | I am running dhcp-server to provide BOOTP/PXE. I spy network traffic with wireshark on two desktops, and tcpdump on server. PXE 2.0 works fine (client boot, and i see frames in logs), but BOOTP clients never get answers, and wireshark sees only querries, not answers. Any clue ? |
| 23:39.52 | themill | dudeman: no. a python transition is a big and difficult one. The default version not changeable just as the version of perl is not changeable. |
| 23:40.08 | dudeman | themill, see :) shows you how much I know :) |
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| 23:41.09 | AndreSantos | whats the best way to install internet explorer on lenny? |
| 23:41.23 | dudeman | ies4linux I believe |
| 23:41.26 | doublehp | could it be that tcpdump sees as outgoing a frame that will *in practice* not be send out of the NIC ? |
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| 23:41.28 | apt_get | Hi |
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| 23:41.57 | dudeman | AndreSantos, google for IES4LINUX or wine-reviews (search that site for an IE howto) |
| 23:42.03 | apt_get | I have installed a HBA fiber EMULEX card. with dmesg, lpfc its all right. But i cant find the package for lputil binary |
| 23:42.06 | dudeman | AndreSantos, or debianhelp.org or elsewhere |
| 23:43.05 | gaetano_ | ciao a tutti |
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| 23:43.32 | dudeman | hm.. thats not funny at all... (tutti in Urdu/Hindi means fecal matter) |
| 23:43.33 | dudeman | :/ |
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| 23:44.07 | doublehp | dudeman: he is also spamming in gentoo |
| 23:44.09 | screamingbytes | and ciao means? |
| 23:44.16 | onx | and in #ubuntu |
| 23:44.19 | screamingbytes | its hello and goodbye isn't it |
| 23:44.20 | dudeman | screamingbytes, goodbye. |
| 23:44.30 | dudeman | #linguistics |
| 23:44.32 | gaetano_ | list |
| 23:44.33 | screamingbytes | lol |
| 23:44.34 | dudeman | they would know |
| 23:44.42 | suwro | raid10 - does have that both partitions to have the same size? |
| 23:44.50 | dudeman | suwro, of course... |
| 23:44.55 | dudeman | its a raid 1 + raid 0 |
| 23:44.58 | dudeman | think about it |
| 23:45.02 | suwro | k |
| 23:45.12 | suwro | i'll use only 1 array then... |
| 23:45.26 | suwro | coz i;m having only 1 1GB hdd. |
| 23:45.36 | doublehp | querries KB for gaetano_ |
| 23:45.37 | onx | they don't *have* to, but you'll lose the extra space on one of the disks |
| 23:45.38 | suwro | or should I chunk it in 2 |
| 23:45.58 | gaetano_ | ciao a tutti |
| 23:46.03 | dudeman | onx, in other words... have to :) |
| 23:46.04 | stew | !it |
| 23:46.04 | dpkg | Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:46.42 | Ian_Daniher | what's the difference between a .pcf.gz font file and a .psf.gz font file? |
| 23:46.52 | Ian_Daniher | and how can I convert a *psf* to a *pcf*? |
| 23:47.03 | suwro | another dumb question - If i make the raid array now - and in the future I want to add another hdd - will I loose the data on adding the second hdd to current array ? |
| 23:47.05 | apt_get | How can i find lputil for debian etch? its for a Fiber Channel Host Adapter, EMULEX 4Gb |
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| 23:48.14 | gaetano_ | ! list |
| 23:48.14 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to gaetano_ |
| 23:48.23 | gaetano_ | ! list |
| 23:48.28 | dudeman | gaetano_, stop |
| 23:48.33 | Ian_Daniher | !fonts |
| 23:48.33 | dpkg | hmm... fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis Ask me about <install font>. |
| 23:48.35 | dudeman | gener1c, go to #debian-it |
| 23:48.36 | stew | gaetano_: do you have a debian related question? |
| 23:48.48 | Ian_Daniher | !install font |
| 23:48.48 | dpkg | To install fonts for just one user, copy then into ~/.fonts/ and then run fc-cache -fv (or ask me about <kfontinst>). To install them system-wide, copy them into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts or into /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts (but you will have to add /usr/local/share/fonts/ to your xorg.conf) and run fc-cache -fv as root. |
| 23:48.49 | dudeman | Ian_Daniher, you can also /msg dpkg |
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| 23:48.56 | Ian_Daniher | dudeman: ah, alright |
| 23:48.59 | amphi | perhaps he needs two warez lists |
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| 23:49.04 | dudeman | heh |
| 23:49.08 | onx | suwro, on a raid 1, no. you'll just start out with a non-fault tolerant array |
| 23:49.22 | gaetano_ | list |
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| 23:49.52 | ceil420 | how do i fix this? checking for OPENBOX... configure: error: The pkg-config script could not be found or is too old. Make sure it is in your PATH or set the PKG_CONFIG environment variable to the full path to pkg-config |
| 23:50.07 | dudeman | ceil420, install pkg-config? |
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| 23:50.22 | dudeman | or was it pkgconfig I can't remember. |
| 23:50.27 | ceil420 | lol good suggestion |
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| 23:50.33 | ceil420 | that should be in build-essential :x |
| 23:50.34 | amphi | ceil420: install openbox-dev? |
| 23:50.49 | stew | ceil420: apt-get build-dep openbox |
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| 23:50.53 | dudeman | amphi, so which WM are you using these days? |
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| 23:50.59 | ceil420 | amphi, i'll do that too >_> |
| 23:51.04 | stew | gaetano_: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:51.07 | amphi | dudeman: I'm back on compiz |
| 23:51.14 | suwro | onx: oh darn - ok what to use then - They want to add another 1GB partition in a few months.. - i have 150GB on sda1 and 1TB on sdb2 - I coud use 150GB as stripped - no? |
| 23:51.14 | amphi | ceil420: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:51.15 | ceil420 | stew, does that work for anything? apt-get build-dep <package>? |
| 23:51.16 | dudeman | amphi, ahh nice me too finally on lenny |
| 23:51.22 | dudeman | ceil420, yes |
| 23:51.23 | ceil420 | amphi, install obconf |
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| 23:51.36 | amphi | ceil420: obconf is packaged |
| 23:51.48 | ceil420 | dudeman, groovie, wish i'd known that before i gave up compiling conky and just apt-get'd it without audacious support :p |
| 23:51.50 | stew | ceil420: for any source available via a deb-src lin in sources.list |
| 23:51.53 | onx | suwro, you mean striping a single disk? |
| 23:51.56 | dudeman | heh |
| 23:52.11 | stew | ceil420: are you trying to recompile the debian source? |
| 23:52.14 | suwro | onx: it will come more in the future.. I dont know what raid to use... |
| 23:52.35 | ceil420 | amphi, oh, it's in the openbox menu by default so i thought it was installed, but it wasn't doing anything, so i was gonna try 'n' install it manually |
| 23:52.44 | onx | suwro, if you don't have the disks, just leave the raid and stick to backups is my opinion |
| 23:52.46 | suwro | I have now only one of 1 tb. - but in a few months they want to add 'til 3TB |
| 23:52.47 | ceil420 | stew, not all of it :o |
| 23:52.51 | chomwitt | in synaptic installing a package xy.deb it pulled many others, but when i remove xy only one the automaticaly installed is removed. can this be fixed in synaptic? |
| 23:52.52 | amphi | ceil420: why not install the obconf package? |
| 23:53.02 | ceil420 | amphi, i just did, thanks :) |
| 23:53.06 | Ian_Daniher | how can I convert a .psf.gz bitmap font to a .pcf.gz bitmap font? |
| 23:53.07 | amphi | heh |
| 23:53.09 | stew | ceil420: why are you compiling at all? |
| 23:53.24 | ceil420 | i just didn't think openbox would stick it in the menu if it wasn't already installed |
| 23:53.35 | ceil420 | stew, thought it was broken |
| 23:53.36 | dudeman | Ian_Daniher, also try in ##linux |
| 23:53.41 | onx | suwro, you would probably want raid5 for space efficiency anyway, unless EXTREME performance is required |
| 23:53.49 | stew | ceil420: what made you think that? |
| 23:54.02 | stew | ceil420: and how does recompiling help? |
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| 23:54.39 | ceil420 | stew, guide i'm followin' to configuring openbox is really based on ubuntu, and says the package for obconf is too old or something (for gutsy or whatever), so you may have to install it manually |
| 23:54.52 | dudeman | ceil420, dude... |
| 23:54.56 | dudeman | *sigh* |
| 23:55.17 | ceil420 | dudeman, i'm used to xfce with it's Settings tab :x |
| 23:55.22 | dudeman | ceil420, you should use your head and check pacakge versions. Ask #debian what to do before you do it. |
| 23:55.34 | ceil420 | well i've compiled things before |
| 23:55.40 | amphi | !lart ceil420 |
| 23:55.40 | dpkg | sends a legion of lawyers after ceil420's head |
| 23:55.41 | dudeman | You are following a guide for another OS. Just get the jist of it, and ask here. |
| 23:55.48 | dudeman | don't blindly follow shit. |
| 23:55.52 | ceil420 | if it wasn't fo--ow--r the pkg-config thing, i could be done |
| 23:56.04 | ceil420 | and the guide says it uses ubuntu, but can apply to other distros |
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| 23:56.16 | ceil420 | and until it got to ubuntu's out-dated packages, i was doing alright |
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| 23:56.21 | stew | ceil420: if you just ran "aptitutde install openbox" you'd probably be done |
| 23:56.22 | amphi | ceil420: you just needed openbox-dev installed, I expect |
| 23:56.33 | stew | he just needed openbox installed |
| 23:56.33 | ceil420 | and i get attitude when i ask stupid questions in here :x |
| 23:56.34 | shivraj | how do I try this compiz thingy ? |
| 23:56.37 | dudeman | amphi, no. What stew said more than likely. |
| 23:56.39 | ceil420 | stew, that's how i got it in the first place |
| 23:56.51 | ceil420 | obconf apparently didn't come with it (nor did obmenu, which i did apt-get) |
| 23:56.55 | dudeman | shivraj, hmm |
| 23:57.01 | dudeman | shivraj, /msg dpkg compiz-fusion |
| 23:57.02 | dudeman | ? |
| 23:57.15 | ceil420 | lol one person askin' about openbox, another about compiz |
| 23:57.19 | ceil420 | extremes ^^ |
| 23:57.24 | dudeman | shivraj, #compiz-fusion has uptodate pcakages/3rd party repos for compiz-fusion and plugins if you dislike the ones in etch or find them to be too old |
| 23:57.41 | dudeman | ceil420, its a big world. |
| 23:57.47 | ceil420 | :) |
| 23:57.51 | amphi | ceil420: I switch from one to the other quite often, without any trauma ;) |
| 23:57.58 | apt_get | How can I have lputil for debian? |
| 23:58.08 | apt_get | I have a 'Fiber Channel Host Adapter, EMULEX 4Gb' |
| 23:58.08 | ceil420 | my one experience with compiz (on an fx5200) traumatized me pretty bad :x |
| 23:58.08 | *** join/#debian tigersuit (n=bastian@xdsl-195-14-220-197.netcologne.de) |
| 23:58.09 | dudeman | apt_get, its about the 3rd time you have asked. I feel bad for you |
| 23:58.20 | ceil420 | i just wanted to play with it; i got a blank white screen as soon as i turned it on :x |
| 23:58.22 | dudeman | apt_get, what is lputil? have you tried to search packages.debian.org ? |
| 23:58.32 | stew | ceil420: did you install the obconf package? |
| 23:58.36 | dudeman | apt_get, aptitude search lputil/ |
| 23:58.37 | dudeman | ? |
| 23:58.37 | apt_get | lputil its for HBA |
| 23:58.43 | ceil420 | stew, yeh, checkin' out themes now :) |
| 23:58.44 | apt_get | i´m trying but nothings... |
| 23:58.51 | dudeman | apt_get, google? |
| 23:58.53 | apt_get | apt-file... debian.org google |
| 23:58.56 | ceil420 | thanks for help people |
| 23:59.02 | dudeman | lputil is a driver or what? |
| 23:59.25 | apt_get | its a common HBA fiber channel board, but i find driver for RH and Suse only and AsianLinux |
| 23:59.46 | apt_get | its for creating new arrays, about storage systems |
| 23:59.49 | suwro | Why the hell is not zfs yet available... as stable - damn |